the news taking us with the breaking news that-sturgeon— taking us with the breaking news that-sturgeon has- taking us with the breaking news that sturgeon has been that nicola sturgeon has been arrested— that nicola sturgeon has been arrested investigation arrested in the investigation into— arrested in the investigation into the— arrested in the investigation into the snp's_ arrested in the investigation into the snp's finances. arrested in the investigation into the snp's finances . that's into the snp's finances. that's all into the snp's finances. that's an that-s— into the snp's finances. that's all that's all— into the snp's finances. that's all that's all for— into the snp's finances. that's all that's all for me . we have all that's all for me. we have nana— all that's all for me. we have nana akua— all that's all for me. we have nana akua coming up. next lewd— nana akua coming up. next . good afternoon. - nana akua coming up. next i good afternoon. i'm - nana akua coming up. nexti - good afternoon. i'm rory nana akua coming up. next good afternoon. i'm rory smith nana akua coming up. next g newsroom)on. i'm rory smith nana akua coming up. next g newsroom well,m rory smith nana akua coming up. next g newsroom well, asaory smith nana akua coming up. next- . g newsroom well, as you'vefith in the newsroom well, as you've been hearing, nicola sturgeon has been arrested by police investigating snp funding and finances. the former first minister is in custody , being minister is in custody, being questioned by detectives in april. her husband , peter april. her husband, peter murrell, who was the scottish national party's chief executive , was arrested and released without charge pending further inquiries , is their home and the inquiries, is their home and the snp headquarters were also searched, with police seen removing boxes of evidence . removing boxes of evidence. well, another news three british

tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off egypt. officials say 12 britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides . it's believed the fire guides. it's believed the fire was caused by an electrical short circuit . the foreign short circuit. the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities and assisting those involved . and one of boris involved. and one of boris johnson's allies say the resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister. sir jacob rees—mogg says there sirjacob rees—mogg says there is no plot against rishi sunak and he believes he should remain leader. he also suggests that mr johnson could return to westminster, saying he could easily get back into parliament at the next election. well, the former pm announced he was stepping down as an mp after he handed the finding of the partygate inquiry. sirjacob says there could be a split if some mps tried to block his return. but he admits some things could have been done

better. one always deserves blame— better. one always deserves blame for— better. one always deserves blame for one's_ one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it would— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of me to pretend that— would be absurd of me to pretend that boris— would be absurd of me to pretend that boris hasn't— would be absurd of me to pretend that boris hasn't made mistakes. there— that boris hasn't made mistakes. were wee— that boris hasn't made mistakes. were e— that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man— that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter weweweww— there was a man called peter wentworth who _ there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late 16th century— wentworth who in the late 16th century wee— wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the tower— century was locked up in the tower fer— century was locked up in the tower for saying— century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house of commons, none— tower for saying in the house of commons, none is— tower for saying in the house of commons, none is without fault. no, commons, none is without fault. we-greeewe— commons, none is without fault. no, gracious queen. in no, not our gracious queen. in wee— no, not our gracious queen. in the ee— no, not our gracious queen. in the cowe— no, not our gracious queen. in the same could be— no, not our gracious queen. in the same could be said of boris . wowe— the same could be said of boris . wewe we— the same could be said of boris . none is without— the same could be said of boris . none is without fault. no, not ew.— whee- . none is without fault. no, not our_. that that. our gracious boris. that that is wee— our gracious boris. that that is wee-eu— our gracious boris. that that is wweleu ef— our gracious boris. that that is true-all of us. _ our gracious boris. that that is true-all of us. but- true of all of us. but meanwhile, leave leave campaigner nigel farage believes it's the end for boris johnson with the conservatives . but the with the conservatives. but the gb news presenter told camilla tominey he's been to talking tory mps about potentially joining a new party. the good side of boris,— joining a new party. the good side of boris, of— joining a new party. the good side of boris, of course,- " g the good side of boris, of course, is, wen,— side of boris, of course, is, weu, wee— side of boris, of course, is, well, just look— side of boris, of course, is, well, just look at today's wewepepere— well, just look at today's newepepere .— well, just look at today's newspapers . he's very good at newspapers. he's very good at eemwewwe— newspapers. he's very good at dominating news.— newspapers. he's very good at dominating news. he does have pereeweww.— dominating news. he does have pereeweww. we— dominating news. he does have personality. he does make people emwe— personality. he does make people emwe ewe— personality. he does make people emwe end if— personality. he does make people smile and if he— personality. he does make people smile and if he wants to defend his smile and if he wants to defend we brewe— smile and if he wants to defend his brexit legacy,— smile and if he wants to defend his brexit legacy, yeah, well, i went— his brexit legacy, yeah, well, i went ee— his brexit legacy, yeah, well, i want to defend— his brexit legacy, yeah, well, i want to defend my brexit legacy wee. — want to defend my brexit legacy wee. se— want to defend my brexit legacy wee. so wowe— want to defend my brexit legacy too. so would there be a peeeewww— too. so would there be a possibility of _ too. so would there be a possibility of a- too. so would there be a possibility of a new coming together— possibility of a new coming together on— possibility of a new coming together on the _ possibility of a new coming together on the centre? right? it

together on the centre? right? w wowe— together on the centre? right? we would be— together on the centre? right? it would be boris— together on the centre? right? it would be boris johnson. there wu— it would be boris johnson. there will be— it would be boris johnson. there will be other— it would be boris johnson. there will be other mps— it would be boris johnson. there will be other mps that would jew— will be other mps that would jew in— will be other mps that would jew in with— will be other mps that would join in with this— will be other mps that would join in with this as well. you eieewee— join in with this as well. you discuss this— join in with this as well. you discuss this with— join in with this as well. you discuss this with boris johnson, not discuss this with boris johnson, new with— discuss this with boris johnson, new with him — discuss this with boris johnson, not with him directly, no. but i wewe—www- not with him directly, no. but i have _with people i have discussed it with people very— have discussed it with people very-wim— have discussed it with people wew-wm . - have discussed it with people very-him . well,- have discussed it with people very-him . well, ini very close to him. well, in other— very close to him. well, in other news this afternoon , other news this afternoon, yellow thunderstorm warnings have been issued as temperatures continue to climb across the country. the met office says the alerts affect parts of scotland, northern ireland, england and wales, and they'll be in force until 9:00 tomorrow night. well temperatures are expected to hit 32 degrees today . they ukraine 32 degrees today. they ukraine says its counter—offensive against russia is underway . against russia is underway. president zelenskyy says he's optimistic about regaining lost territory . motty it's after territory. motty it's after ukraine said its forces had advanced up to 200 zero metres along the frontline near the eastern city of bakhmut . russia eastern city of bakhmut. russia is disputing those claims. this is disputing those claims. this is gb news we'll bring you more as it happens . for now, though, as it happens. for now, though, it's over to nana .

it's over to nana. good afternoon. it's over to nana. - - good afternoon. it's it's over to nana. _ - good afternoon. it's fast approaching-— - good afternoon. it's fast epweeewwg. — . good afternoon. it's fast approaching. four- good afternoon. it's fast approaching. - good afternoon. it's fast- approaching. four minutes after 3:00. news on approaching. four minutes after 3:00. _news on tv,- 3:00. this is gb news on tv, ewuwe— 3:00. this is gb news on tv, ewuwe-ew— 3:00. this is gb news on tv, online-on digital- 15 00 this is gb news on tv, online on digital radio. i'm online and on digital radio. i'm wewe— online and on digital radio. i'mj wewe—weewng online and on digital radio. i'm. nana—breaking to nana akua. and some breaking to bring— nana akua. and some breaking to wine you— nana akua. and some breaking to wine you we— nana akua. and some breaking to news bring you in the last few moments. nicola— news bring you in the last few moments. nicola sturgeon has been— moments. nicola sturgeon has been arrested— moments. nicola sturgeon has been arrested in— moments. nicola sturgeon has been arrested in the investigation snp's investigation into the snp's wweweee— investigation into the snp's finances and— investigation into the snp's finances and police scotland wewe— finances and police scotland wewe eew— finances and police scotland wewe eew .— finances and police scotland have said . joining us now have said. joining us now though,— have said. joining us now ewewgw we— have said. joining us now though, is deputy political commentator— though, is deputy political commentator nelson and commentator nigel nelson and a former— commentator nigel nelson and a ferwer freew— commentator nigel nelson and a former brexit party— commentator nigel nelson and a former brexit party mep , martin former brexit party mep, martin werewew— former brexit party mep, martin werewew se— former brexit party mep, martin daubney. so well,— former brexit party mep, martin daubney. so well, i mean huge, huge— daubney. so well, i mean huge, huge ewe— daubney. so well, i mean huge, huge r— daubney. so well, i mean huge, huge news. i mean,— daubney. so well, i mean huge, huge news. i mean, that's massive news.— huge news. i mean, that's massive news. i'm not being funnv-— massive news. i'm not being funny- ww— massive news. i'm not being funny- my wew— massive news. i'm not being funny. my mum will be pleased eeeewee— funny. my mum will be pleased eeeewee effe— funny. my mum will be pleased because she hates— funny. my mum will be pleased because she hates us. she's reefw— because she hates us. she's reefw ww— because she hates us. she's reefw my wew— because she hates us. she's really my mum. just can't really my mum. i just can't efewf— really my mum. i just can't stand _that'sl really my mum. i just can't. stand _that's how stand that woman. that's how myi —sfwreeew. mum feels about nicola sturgeon. but mum feels about nicola sturgeon. err-eeeefe— mum feels about nicola sturgeon. err-eeeefe-wer- mum feels about nicola sturgeon. but - people - her and i mum feels about nicola sturgeon. but was people her and mum feels about nicola sturgeon. but was bigaople her and mum feels about nicola sturgeon. but was big figurehead 1er and mum feels about nicola sturgeon. but was big figurehead in' and mum feels about nicola sturgeon. but was big figurehead in thei she was a big figurehead in the ewe.— she was a big figurehead in the ewe. swe— she was a big figurehead in the we see wee— she was a big figurehead in the snp. she was literally the fewer— snp. she was literally the eereew-ef- snp. she was literally the- person-of transformed person who kind of transformed the person who kind of transformed we were— person who kind of transformed we fwege ef— person who kind of transformed the image of the— person who kind of transformed the image of the party and werew— the image of the party and erewefrf ff— the image of the party and brought itlthe- the image of the party and brought it the forefront it brought it to the forefront it to brought it to the forefront it fe-ff— brought it to the forefront it fe-ff - brought it to the forefront it to-it was. new. brought it to the forefront it to it was. we brought it to the forefront it. to-it was. now one of brought it to the forefront it- to-it was. now one of the to where it was. now one of the most political things most powerful political things in mean , what do you in scotland. i mean, what do you were— in scotland. i mean, what do you were ef— in scotland. i mean, what do you were ef eff— in scotland. i mean, what do you were ef eff ef—

in scotland. i mean, what do you make of all of this— in scotland. i mean, what do you make of all of this ? _ in scotland. i mean, what do you make of all of this ? i- " f: i mean, what do you make of all of this ? make of all of this? i think were-e— make of all of this? i think there's certain sense of mr there's a certain sense of mr bond. i've been expecting you eeewf— bond. i've been expecting you eeewf wre— bond. i've been expecting you about this, as— bond. i've been expecting you about this, as in— bond. i've been expecting you about this, as in it— : i've been expecting you about this, as in it just it reef— about this, as in it just it we ferr— about this, as in it just it just felt since _ about this, as in it just it just felt since the arrest of fer— just felt since the arrest of her husband,— just felt since the arrest of her husband, peter murrell , and her husband, peter murrell, and freew— her husband, peter murrell, and few we— her husband, peter murrell, and then the motor— her husband, peter murrell, and then the motor home. ' r: her husband, peter murrell, and then the motor home. 'r: c her husband, peter murrell, and then the motor home. 'r: then the motor home. and itjust felt then the motor home. and itjust feff ure— then the motor home. and it just felt like this was going to have continuity and would go further. we obviously can't speculate about what's going on, but you would expect that a sort of full financial probe and this centres around money raised for the independence cause . so where did independence cause. so where did the independence cause. so where did we werew— independence cause. so where did we money ge— independence cause. so where did we money ge f— independence cause. so where did the money go ? that's— independence cause. so where did the money go ? that's the- ::f f so where did the money go ? that's the big the money go? that's the big eweeffew— the money go? that's the big eweeffew. awf— the money go? that's the big question. and i— the money go? that's the big question. and i think it runs a eeew— question. and i think it runs a eeeefr ewe— question. and i think it runs a coach and horses— question. and i think it runs a coach and horses through the eeweefewee— coach and horses through the competence and— coach and horses through the competence and the ability i fwwk— competence and the ability i were ef— competence and the ability i think of the— competence and the ability i think of the snp as a whole reew-re— think of the snp as a whole they're already— think of the snp as a whole they're already i— think of the snp as a whole they're already i think ten, 12 or they're already i think ten, 12 er eree— they're already i think ten, 12 er efwe weere— they're already i think ten, 12 or plus years behind in terms of the independence— or plus years behind in terms of the independence movement . i the independence movement. i reef— the independence movement. i we fwww— the independence movement. i fwef were we— the independence movement. i just think the entire ground is erwweffwe— just think the entire ground is crumbling now— just think the entire ground is crumbling now beneath the snp . crumbling now beneath the snp. the crumbling now beneath the snp. ffe referr— crumbling now beneath the snp. the labour party— crumbling now beneath the snp. the labour party will— crumbling now beneath the snp. the labour party will be- crumbling now beneath the snp. the labour party will be licking their lips in anticipation of their lips in anticipation of the capabilities they have. nonh the capabilities they have. north of the border. i think

this is curtains for the snp. yeah. what was your take on freer,— yeah. what was your take on freer, wfeeff — “43?" what was your take on that, nigel? f that, nigel? because obviously humza yousaf yusuf a lot of people calling him humza useless. he's had a nightmare run , literally almost everything run, literally almost everything he's touched has crumbled and now with this potential , do you now with this potential, do you see a future for the snp ? well, see a future for the snp? well, that's going to be the- see a future for the snp? well, that's going to be the big- that's going to be the big eweeffew— that's going to be the big question that— that's going to be the big question that certainly a lot of eweeewere— question that certainly a lot of supporters because bear in mind it's supporters because bear in mind fee-werew— supporters because bear in mind ff-e-wewew wre— supporters because bear in mind it's money. this £600,000 it's their money. this £600,000 refeee— it's their money. this £600,000 was raised and— it's their money. this £600,000 was raised and the— it's their money. this £600,000 was raised and the promise was it was raised and the promise was ff wewe— was raised and the promise was ff wewe ee— was raised and the promise was ff wewe ee ff— was raised and the promise was it would be it would be spent on eeweefgwwg— it would be it would be spent on eeweefewwg fer— it would be it would be spent on campaigning for independence . so campaigning for independence. so if campaigning for independence. so ff wef— campaigning for independence. so ff ffref werew— campaigning for independence. so if that money is— campaigning for independence. so if that money is disappeared, wew— if that money is disappeared, then supporters— if that money is disappeared, then supporters will be furious ewe— then supporters will be furious ewe wew— then supporters will be furious and they would— then supporters will be furious and they would melt away. i few-f— and they would melt away. i few-f fwww— and they would melt away. i don't think it's— and they would melt away. i don't think it's the end of the swe— don't think it's the end of the ewe ee— don't think it's the end of the ewe ee eeew— don't think it's the end of the snp as such, but— don't think it's the end of the snp as such, but it might be the end snp as such, but it might be the ewe ef— snp as such, but it might be the ewe ef freew— snp as such, but it might be the end of their huge— snp as such, but it might be the end of their huge popularity in eeeffewe— end of their huge popularity in eeeffewe .— end of their huge popularity in scotland . and— end of their huge popularity in scotland . and as— end of their huge popularity in scotland . and as you say, that scotland. and as you say, that referr— scotland. and as you say, that labour would— scotland. and as you say, that labour would be _ scotland. and as you say, that labour would be the net beneficiaries— labour would be the net beneficiaries of this . this beneficiaries of this. this eeew— beneficiaries of this. this could could— beneficiaries of this. this could could actually deliver ffrew — could could actually deliver ffrew free— could could actually deliver them the seats— could could actually deliver them the seats they need, not to wewe— them the seats they need, not to free e— them the seats they need, not to have a minority— them the seats they need, not to have a minority government down here.— have a minority government down here. weft— have a minority government down here. weft wef— have a minority government down here. well that was— have a minority government down here. well that was the thing, weewf— here. well that was the thing, weewf fff — here. well that was the thing, weewf we re— here. well that was the thing, wasn't it? it would- here. well that was the thing, wasn't it? c : " wasn't it? it would have been a coalition with potentially the snp the liberal

snp and also the liberal democrats who would have a democrats who would have been a nightmare it nightmare coalition but now it looks are the looks like if labour do, are the beneficiaries of these seats, which you lot of which as you know, a lot of people scotland will not vote people in scotland will not vote tory what. are tory no matter what. they are the only next best option. really? yes. it's bad news for we— really? yes. it's bad news for the conservatives— “7’ yes. it's bad news for the conservatives because the wef— the conservatives because the net recipients— the conservatives because the net recipients of— the conservatives because the net recipients of a collapse in we— net recipients of a collapse in we swe— net recipients of a collapse in we swr were— net recipients of a collapse in the snp vote would most wefwrefw— the snp vote would most naturally be— the snp vote would most naturally be the labour party. eer— naturally be the labour party. ewf r— naturally be the labour party. ewf r fwww— naturally be the labour party. but i think now— naturally be the labour party. but i think now we're at the efeee— but i think now we're at the efeee ef— but i think now we're at the stage of show— but i think now we're at the stage of show us— but i think now we're at the stage of show us the receipts ewe— stage of show us the receipts ewe ereew— stage of show us the receipts ewe efrew we— stage of show us the receipts and show us the— stage of show us the receipts and show us the receipts where did and show us the receipts where we fwe— and show us the receipts where we free-ge— and show us the receipts where we fwe-ee f— and show us the receipts where did this go ? where has it did this money go? where has it eeew— did this money go? where has it been eewefee— did this money go? where has it been donated from _ did this money go? where has it been donated from , from whom? been donated from, from whom? we— been donated from, from whom? we every— been donated from, from whom? we ewew efwgfe— been donated from, from whom? and every single donor at grass reefe— and every single donor at grass reefe fewer— and every single donor at grass roots level will— and every single donor at grass roots level will have a direct reewfrewewf— roots level will have a direct requirement and— roots level will have a direct requirement and an entitlement to requirement and an entitlement fe eew— requirement and an entitlement re save where-e— requirement and an entitlement to say, where's my money? show us to say, where's my money? show we were— to say, where's my money? show we were free— to say, where's my money? show us where this went— to say, where's my money? show us where this went . us where this went. i think efwewew— us where this went. i think obviously this is the full investigation. that's where we're at, what we will find out. but our deputy but joining us now is our deputy political reporter , tom harwood political reporter, tom harwood tom, can you bring us up to date as to what we can say and what we know ? well, we do know we do know? well, we do know wef— we do know? well, we do know ffref reffee— we do know? well, we do know that police scotland— r:r:::r , well, we do know that police scotland launched an fwweeffeeffew— that police scotland launched an investigation into— that police scotland launched an investigation into possible snp fewerefefwe— investigation into possible snp fundraising fraud known as

oeereffew— fundraising fraud known as operation branch form back as eerw— operation branch form back as eerw ee— operation branch form back as eerw ee zozr. — operation branch form back as early as 2021. now, no arrests were made as part of that eeereffew— were made as part of that operation until— were made as part of that operation until april this year , weew— operation until april this year , wfrew ew— operation until april this year , wfrew ew we— operation until april this year , when on the 5th of april, refer— , when on the 5th of april, peter murrell,— , when on the 5th of april, peter murrell, the former chief eeewwef — peter murrell, the former chief eeewwef ef— peter murrell, the former chief executive of the _ peter murrell, the former chief executive of the snp and indeed fweeewe— executive of the snp and indeed fweeewf fe— executive of the snp and indeed husband to nicola— executive of the snp and indeed husband to nicola sturgeon, was eeweeffewefw— husband to nicola sturgeon, was sensationally arrested, questioned— sensationally arrested, questioned for 12 hours, and weed— questioned for 12 hours, and indeed there— questioned for 12 hours, and indeed there family homes eeerefree— indeed there family homes searched in— indeed there family homes searched in glasgow and then erewwf— searched in glasgow and then erewwf e— searched in glasgow and then around a week— searched in glasgow and then around a week later, the former freeewrer ef— around a week later, the former treasurer of the— around a week later, the former treasurer of the snp , colin treasurer of the snp, colin eeefffe,— treasurer of the snp, colin beattie, was— treasurer of the snp, colin beattie, was arrested . on the beattie, was arrested. on the few— beattie, was arrested. on the few ef— beattie, was arrested. on the few ef april— beattie, was arrested. on the 18th of april this— beattie, was arrested. on the 18th of april this year. but were— 18th of april this year. but were wee— 18th of april this year. but there was one— 18th of april this year. but there was one more name on snp ffwewefef— there was one more name on snp financial documents, not just the financial documents, not just we ewef— financial documents, not just the chief executive of the party,— the chief executive of the perry, wef— the chief executive of the perry, wef tref— the chief executive of the party, not just the treasurer of the party, not just the treasurer of we perry,— party, not just the treasurer of we perry, eef— party, not just the treasurer of the party, but also the leader of the party, but also the leader ef free— the party, but also the leader ef we perry,— the party, but also the leader of the party, nicola sturgeon. awf— of the party, nicola sturgeon. awe feeew— of the party, nicola sturgeon. awe feeew ew— of the party, nicola sturgeon. and today on the— of the party, nicola sturgeon. and today on the 11th of june, we wewe— and today on the 11th of june, we have seen the— and today on the 11th of june, we have seen the arrest and eweerfewwe— we have seen the arrest and questioning of— we have seen the arrest and questioning of nicola sturgeon . questioning of nicola sturgeon. she questioning of nicola sturgeon. swe ewrrewfw— questioning of nicola sturgeon. she currently sits— questioning of nicola sturgeon. she currently sits in police ewefeew— she currently sits in police ewefeew ewe— she currently sits in police custody and as— she currently sits in police custody and as part of this eeereffew— custody and as part of this operation branch form from

reffee— operation branch form from police scotland, she will be eweeffewee— police scotland, she will be questioned on _ police scotland, she will be questioned on this possible fewerefefwe— questioned on this possible fundraising fraud within the snp . wew— fundraising fraud within the snp . many reeerfe— fundraising fraud within the snp . many reeerfe ef— fundraising fraud within the snp . many reports of a missing . . many reports of a missing. feooeoo— . many reports of a missing. £600,000 that— . many reports of a missing. £600,000 that was raised eeeefffeefw— £600,000 that was raised specifically for— £600,000 that was raised specifically for a referendum eeweefgw— specifically for a referendum eeweefgw wef— specifically for a referendum campaign that appears to have entered— campaign that appears to have vanished into— campaign that appears to have vanished into thin air. wow. i weft.— vanished into thin air. wow. i mean, well, we'll— vanished into thin air. wow. i mean, well, we'll keep an eye on that. tom will stay with us. hopefully we can stay abreast on that story. joining me now is our editor at the our political editor at the express , david. david, i mean, express, david. david, i mean, this is this is big news, obviously, with nicola sturgeon being put into custody in that way . the snp are in a lot of way. the snp are in a lot of trouble with regard to their membership base . what are your membership base. what are your thoughts regarding it? where does the snp go from here? oh, hi nana in it's huge news- : fifth grtr , oh, hi nana in it's huge news and : fifth gt , oh, hi nana in it's huge news and as wewfw— hi nana in it's huge news and as wewfw wee— hi nana in it's huge news and as martin was saying,— hi nana in it's huge news and as martin was saying, it was not wwexeeefee— martin was saying, it was not wwexeeefee .— martin was saying, it was not unexpected . ofsted nicola unexpected. ofsted nicola sfwreeew— unexpected. ofsted nicola sturgeon was— unexpected. ofsted nicola sturgeon was one of a three efweere— sturgeon was one of a three efwgere ew— sturgeon was one of a three singers on the— sturgeon was one of a three singers on the financial dance

ewe— singers on the financial dance ewe ff— singers on the financial dance ewe ff wee— singers on the financial dance ewe ff ff— singers on the financial dance and it was it felt— singers on the financial dance and it was it felt inevitable wef— and it was it felt inevitable ffref efre— and it was it felt inevitable that she might— and it was it felt inevitable that she might get arrested . that she might get arrested. ant,— that she might get arrested. awe: ww— that she might get arrested. we: we ee— that she might get arrested. and, uh, as the— that she might get arrested. and, uh, as the other two had eeew— and, uh, as the other two had been, including— and, uh, as the other two had been, including her husband , been, including her husband, refer— been, including her husband, peter murrell— been, including her husband, peter murrell of— been, including her husband, peter murrell of course , that peter murrell of course, that eeeew-f— peter murrell of course, that doesn't mean— peter murrell of course, that doesn't mean of— peter murrell of course, that doesn't mean of course, you know where— doesn't mean of course, you know wfreffrer we— doesn't mean of course, you know whether we like _ doesn't mean of course, you know whether we like it— doesn't mean of course, you know whether we like it or— doesn't mean of course, you know whether we like it or dislike fer. — whether we like it or dislike her. we: — whether we like it or dislike her. we: wew— whether we like it or dislike her. and, you know, people are ferw— her. and, you know, people are fairly divided _ her. and, you know, people are fairly divided on— her. and, you know, people are fairly divided on nicola sfwrgeew.— fairly divided on nicola sturgeon. that doesn't mean that efre-e— sturgeon. that doesn't mean that efre-e gerry— sturgeon. that doesn't mean that efre-e eefrrw er— sturgeon. that doesn't mean that she's guilty or not— sturgeon. that doesn't mean that she's guilty or not guilty . we she's guilty or not guilty. we weef— she's guilty or not guilty. we weeeleffew— she's guilty or not guilty. we need i allow the - she's guilty or not guilty. we need allow the process to go need to allow the process to go fwewefr — need to allow the process to go fwewefr eef— need to allow the process to go through. but i'd— need to allow the process to go through. but i'd just like to degree— through. but i'd just like to disagree-your- through. but i'd just like to disagree your with nigel disagree with your with nigel ewe— disagree with your with nigel ewe wffrr— disagree with your with nigel and with martin— disagree with your with nigel and with martin on one thing. i eew-f— and with martin on one thing. i eew-f fwww— and with martin on one thing. i don't think this— and with martin on one thing. i don't think this is— and with martin on one thing. i don't think this is the end of we— don't think this is the end of we swe— don't think this is the end of we swr ef— don't think this is the end of the snp at all.— don't think this is the end of the snp at all. and i think if any— the snp at all. and i think if eww ef— the snp at all. and i think if eww ef freew— the snp at all. and i think if any of their political opponents eeffewe— any of their political opponents eeffewe freer:— any of their political opponents believe that, then— any of their political opponents believe that, then they've been exfrewew— believe that, then they've been extremely complacent and eeeeeferw— extremely complacent and especially labour . you know, especially labour. you know, were— especially labour. you know, were re— especially labour. you know, there is since— especially labour. you know, there is since the 2014 referendum.- there is since the 2014 referendum. i- there is since the 2014 referendum. i this as a former seefewew— referendum. i this as a former scotsman hack— referendum. i this as a former scotsman hack who covered seefffew— scotsman hack who covered scottish parliament, scottish eeffffee— scottish parliament, scottish eerfffeefer— scottish parliament, scottish politics for eight years, there free— politics for eight years, there free eeew— politics for eight years, there free teen e— politics for eight years, there has been a solid— politics for eight years, there has been a solid support for independence— has been a solid support for independence that goes beyond the independence that goes beyond we we — independence that goes beyond we we ff— independence that goes beyond frre we r fe— independence that goes beyond the snp. it is people are wwwewerfwe— the snp. it is people are unwavering on- the snp. it is people are unwavering on it and the

eeffffeef— unwavering on it and the political party- unwavering on it and the political party which is the ferw— political party which is the ferw wew— political party which is the form they tried— political party which is the form they tried to get independence from, is always the swe— independence from, is always the ewe .— independence from, is always the ewe . awf— independence from, is always the ewe . we were— independence from, is always the snp . and we're seeing actually snp. and we're seeing actually wef— snp. and we're seeing actually ffref wffrr— snp. and we're seeing actually ffref wfffr e— snp. and we're seeing actually that with a polls— snp. and we're seeing actually that with a polls there was a dip— that with a polls there was a dip ee— that with a polls there was a dip ee e— that with a polls there was a dip as a result— that with a polls there was a dip as a result of— that with a polls there was a dip as a result of all the eerrweffew— dip as a result of all the corruption allegations and so ferwr— corruption allegations and so ferffr. eef— corruption allegations and so forth. but the— corruption allegations and so forth. but the snp is still feeefwe. — forth. but the snp is still feeefwe. se— forth. but the snp is still leading. so anybody who's wrfffwe— leading. so anybody who's writing them— leading. so anybody who's writing them off now does so at freew— writing them off now does so at ffrefr ew— writing them off now does so at their own danger. _ writing them off now does so at their own danger. even with wwwze— their own danger. even with humza useless— their own danger. even with humza useless as some people are eefffwe— humza useless as some people are eefffwe ww— humza useless as some people are eefffwe ww fw— humza useless as some people are calling him in charge . will calling him in charge. well, freew— calling him in charge. well, week wee— calling him in charge. well, thank you for— calling him in charge. well, thank you for that, david. interesting that what about the alba party though? because as the alba party led by sam and he might be looking at that and thinking , might be looking at that and thinking, well, this is an opportunity for him . yes. he opportunity for him. yes. he will be. and he has been . the will be. and he has been. the freeere— will be. and he has been. the frewefe fe— will be. and he has been. the trouble is, he— will be. and he has been. the trouble is, he had— at and he has been. the trouble is, he had his own legal ef— trouble is, he had his own legal issues. of course,— trouble is, he had his own legal issues. of course, he came freeerr— issues. of course, he came through them.— issues. of course, he came through them. but since he fewwewee— through them. but since he launched the— through them. but since he launched the alba party, it just never has taken— launched the alba party, it just never has taken root at all. and it never has taken root at all. and ff fewee— never has taken root at all. and ff fewee fe— never has taken root at all. and ff fewee fe ee— never has taken root at all. and it tends to be older— never has taken root at all. and it tends to be older , more kind it tends to be older, more kind of it tends to be older, more kind ef eeeewrfef— it tends to be older, more kind ef eeeewrfef .— it tends to be older, more kind of eccentric . members of the snp of eccentric. members of the snp wwe— of eccentric. members of the snp wwe wewe— of eccentric. members of the snp who have backed— of eccentric. members of the snp who have backed it— of eccentric. members of the snp who have backed it . there's who have backed it. there's

never been a— who have backed it. there's never been a massive split. most of never been a massive split. most ef fre— never been a massive split. most ef we weef— never been a massive split. most of the what the _ never been a massive split. most of the what the snp people, even wwe— of the what the snp people, even ones who dislike— of the what the snp people, even ones who dislike nicola sturgeon and ones who dislike nicola sturgeon ewf were-e— ones who dislike nicola sturgeon and there's plenty— ones who dislike nicola sturgeon and there's plenty of them who efeffwe— and there's plenty of them who dislike nicola— and there's plenty of them who dislike nicola sturgeon, have ereew— dislike nicola sturgeon, have ereew wfffr— dislike nicola sturgeon, have stuck with the _ dislike nicola sturgeon, have stuck with the party. my feeling is stuck with the party. my feeling fe wef— stuck with the party. my feeling fe ffref ffrew-re — stuck with the party. my feeling is that they're going to get a erweefwe— is that they're going to get a erweefwe fw— is that they're going to get a drubbing in the— is that they're going to get a drubbing in the general election wewf— drubbing in the general election wewf weer— drubbing in the general election wewf weer :— drubbing in the general election next year , which— drubbing in the general election next year , which they don't next year, which they don't reefw— next year, which they don't reerw cere— next year, which they don't really care about as much, but wwwze— really care about as much, but humza yousaf— really care about as much, but humza yousaf will be then be reweee— humza yousaf will be then be reweee ewe— humza yousaf will be then be removed and there will be a reefer:— removed and there will be a reeferf: e— removed and there will be a restart, a refresh— removed and there will be a restart, a refresh for the snp wfffr— restart, a refresh for the snp wfffr were— restart, a refresh for the snp with kate forbes— restart, a refresh for the snp with kate forbes . i think that's with kate forbes. i think that's the with kate forbes. i think that's we prew— with kate forbes. i think that's we refer fer— with kate forbes. i think that's we refer fer e— with kate forbes. i think that's the plan for a lot— with kate forbes. i think that's the plan for a lot of them and few— the plan for a lot of them and few wew— the plan for a lot of them and then they will— the plan for a lot of them and then they will go— the plan for a lot of them and then they will go in a different efreeffew— then they will go in a different direction, have— then they will go in a different direction, have a— then they will go in a different direction, have a new leadership ewe— direction, have a new leadership ewe fwwee— direction, have a new leadership and things will— direction, have a new leadership and things will be,— direction, have a new leadership and things will be, you know, eeew— and things will be, you know, eeew ew— and things will be, you know, back on track— and things will be, you know, back on track as— and things will be, you know, back on track as far as they're concerned. well— back on track as far as they're concerned. well thank you for freer:— concerned. well thank you for ffref: wewe.— concerned. well thank you for ffref: wewe. — concerned. well thank you for that, david. thank- concerned. well thank you for that, david. rt that, david. thank you so much. so good to talk to you. that's david maddox. he's editor, david maddox. he's the editor, a political editor the express political editor of the express . course, nicola . and of course, nicola sturgeon. as i just have a note here with regard to nicola sturgeon, a spokesperson for nicola sturgeon said that the former voluntarily former snp leader voluntarily attended with attended an interview with police scotland and that she would and said she would would and said that she would cooperate with the investigation. is where cooperate with the invraregation. is where

cooperate with the invrare with 1. is where cooperate with the invrare with nicola is where cooperate with the invrare with nicola sturgeon.'e we are with nicola sturgeon. yeah it's funny what david said there about the end of the snp. what i meant was that there a efwefe— what i meant was that there a efwefe feewe— what i meant was that there a single issue party— what i meant was that there a single issue party ostensibly eww— single issue party ostensibly ewew wew— single issue party ostensibly okay, they tend— single issue party ostensibly okay, they tend to run, they run in okay, they tend to run, they run fw we — okay, they tend to run, they run fw we we— okay, they tend to run, they run in the nhs badly,— okay, they tend to run, they run in the nhs badly, they're in in the nhs badly, they're run in eeweefe— in the nhs badly, they're run in eefreefe eeew— in the nhs badly, they're run in schools badly ,_ in the nhs badly, they're run in schools badly , really schools badly, but really reew-re— schools badly, but really they're independence schools badly, but really- they're-independence . schools badly, but really- they're-independence. and they're about independence. and if they're about independence. and ff-eereffee— they're about independence. and if-derailed and— they're about independence. and if-derailed and not- they're about independence. and if-derailed and not only. if that's derailed and not only through the sort of competence and the financial misdemeanours, but terrible policy decisions like the gender recognition bill, which is so utterly out of step with the voters . the labour step with the voters. the labour party step with the voters. the labour ferry eweeewee— step with the voters. the labour party supported that. _ the labour party supported that. they eww-f— party supported that. they efew-fwew — party supported that. they didn't they. �*vw�*rtnt : didn't they. well, that should haunt keir starmer too . well, haunt keir starmer too. well, it's not as if he can't- haunt keir starmer too. well, it's not as if he can't say- , well, it's not as if he can't say what a it's not as if he can't say what ewewe fe. r— it's not as if he can't say what a woman is. ithink- it's not as if he can't say what a woman is. i think we have i think every single one of these politicians hounded on politicians should be hounded on that a woman? that question. what is a woman? can you can a woman have a penis? you know, rights know, what about women's rights 7 know, what about women's rights ? but unfortunately, gets ? but unfortunately, that gets lost of the lost in the wash in terms of the bigger it feels to bigger issues. but it feels to me like a party completely out of touch with reality. and that's what happens in the end. i don't understand i think they don't understand what voters want in terms of what the voters want in terms of things gender things like the gender recognition get kind recognition bill. they get kind of drunk on the power and then

the money comes into play. there's a sort of animal farm feel about this. me, i really feel about this. to me, i really do think do think that do think i do. i do think that this is this is a case of being drunk on power and just being completely out of touch with the voters. it seems to be a efeweere— voters. it seems to be a standard thing- it seems to be a standard thing that when eeweeeew-e— standard thing that when somebody's been in power for too fewe— somebody's been in power for too longr-a— somebody's been in power for too fend-e eewew— somebody's been in power for too long,-a certain-of- long, after a certain period of wwe:— long, after a certain period of wwe—eef- long, after a certain period of wwe—def fe- long, after a certain period of time,_get to theirj time, it seems to get to their reefe— time, it seems to get to their reefe-wew- time, it seems to get to their heads they become time, it seems to get to their- heads-they become drunk heads and then they become drunk on heads and then they become drunk ew—ffew- on that power. and then they kind think that they kind of seem to think that they are sort of indestructible and invincible and that, know, invincible and that, you know, nicola sturgeon did feel like almost a fantastic almost an, you know, a fantastic force that every government loses its way after while, loses its way after a while, i reckon sort of 13 is reckon about sort of 13 years is the maximum that's there was the mark the end of margaret mark at the end of margaret thatcher. marked end of thatcher. it marked the end of wew— thatcher. it marked the end of new referr— thatcher. it marked the end of new reeewr .— thatcher. it marked the end of new labour. it— thatcher. it marked the end of new labour. it may- t it marked the end of new labour. it may well be t it marked the end of new labour . it may well be where new labour. it may well be where we are now with— new labour. it may well be where we are now with the— new labour. it may well be where we are now with the tory government. _ we are now with the tory government. it'll mark government. it'll, it'll mark fre— government. it'll, it'll mark fre-ef— government. it'll, it'll mark the .of them _ government. it'll, it'll mark the-of them too,- government. it'll, it'll mark the of them too, on the the end of them too, on the freere— the end of them too, on the eeefe ef— the end of them too, on the basis of the— the end of them too, on the basis of the 13— the end of them too, on the basis of the 13 years. she also free— basis of the 13 years. she also free eeew— basis of the 13 years. she also free teen fw— basis of the 13 years. she also has been in power— basis of the 13 years. she also has been in power a long time, or has been in power a long time, er-swr— has been in power a long time, er-swr free- has been in power a long time, er-swr free .- has been in power a long time, or-snp has . and. or rather the snp has. and freer-e— or rather the snp has. and freer-e ww— or rather the snp has. and freer-e wfw r— or rather the snp has. and that's why i rather thought when she that's why i rather thought when efre eewe— that's why i rather thought when ewe eewe we— that's why i rather thought when ewe eewe we efre— that's why i rather thought when she gave up she actually chose the she gave up she actually chose we wewf— she gave up she actually chose the reef ffwe— she gave up she actually chose the right time to— she gave up she actually chose the right time to do it. now, of : weef— the right time to do it. now, of course , what-know. the right time to do it. now, of course , what know is course, what we don't know is wew— course, what we don't know is few weew— course, what we don't know is how much this— course, what we don't know is how much this financial, the

ffwewefef— how much this financial, the financial issues— how much this financial, the financial issues played a part in financial issues played a part fw wef— financial issues played a part fw ffref r— financial issues played a part in that i was— financial issues played a part in that i was happy to believe weef— in that i was happy to believe we efre— in that i was happy to believe what she said— in that i was happy to believe what she said because i think wef— what she said because i think ffref efre— what she said because i think ffref efre fe— what she said because i think ffref efre fe e— what she said because i think that she is a consummate eeffffefew— that she is a consummate politician, that— that she is a consummate politician, that actually she tref— politician, that actually she twef free— politician, that actually she reef free free— politician, that actually she just has had enough. i it came fee— just has had enough. i it came fee eweww— just has had enough. i it came fee quickly fer— just has had enough. i it came too quickly for me— just has had enough. i it came too quickly for me , in my view. too quickly for me, in my view. we— too quickly for me, in my view. and when— too quickly for me, in my view. and when wee— too quickly for me, in my view. and when you think— too quickly for me, in my view. and when you think about- too quickly for me, in my view. and when you think about the gender recognition reform bill, that seems like nothing compared to this. this is like that was literally the least her literally the least of her worries, which is , you know, worries, which is, you know, i wonder much she knew as to wonder how much she knew as to why she decided to leave. i mean , because it was so sudden, really , to me, it was actually really, to me, it was actually quite a shock to a lot of people in party. it was shock and in her party. it was a shock and then suddenly there was, you know, were police at her know, there were police at her house thing. so it felt house sort of thing. so it felt like there was some other knowledge there . and like there was some other knowledge there. and i like there was some other knowledge there . and i think knowledge in there. and i think eefwefw— knowledge in there. and i think actually there _ knowledge in there. and i think actually there are— :g t “m1111 and i think actually there are parallels wfffr— actually there are parallels with _johnson's- actually there are parallels with johnson's departure actually there are parallels with from johnson's departure actually there are parallels with from fromion's departure actually there are parallels with from from from departure actually there are parallels with from from from thelrture from from from from the conservative— from from from from the conservative party . he knew what conservative party. he knew what was conservative party. he knew what eewfwe— conservative party. he knew what eewfwe .— conservative party. he knew what eewfwe . awf— conservative party. he knew what was coming . and i— conservative party. he knew what was coming . and i think sturgeon was coming. and i think sturgeon wew— was coming. and i think sturgeon wew weef— was coming. and i think sturgeon knew we wee— was coming. and i think sturgeon knew what was coming. and in the era,— knew what was coming. and in the ewe: wew— knew what was coming. and in the ewe, wee wew— knew what was coming. and in the ewe, you knew, wew— knew what was coming. and in the end, you know, you sort of jump refere— end, you know, you sort of jump eefere wew— end, you know, you sort of jump before you pushed,— end, you know, you sort of jump before you pushed, i think. do you— before you pushed, i think. do wee fwww— before you pushed, i think. do you new r— before you pushed, i think. do you think i mean,— before you pushed, i think. do you think i mean, she may not wewe— you think i mean, she may not free new— you think i mean, she may not have known anything, but it does feel have known anything, but it does feet-eff—

have known anything, but it does feet-effle— have known anything, but it does feel bit a coincidence feel like a bit of a coincidence wef— feel like a bit of a coincidence that suddenly,— feel like a bit of a coincidence that suddenly, you know, ffferefw— literally within a week or so, free— literally within a week or so, fre—were. - literally within a week or so, the _there. butl literally within a week or so,- the _there. but we the police were there. but we eew-f— the police were there. but we eew-f wew- — the police were there. but we don't know. obviously, there was a lot of questions over the finances they hadn't finances and they hadn't answered certain questions as well asked with well when they were asked with regard to it. so it is interesting how plays out interesting how it all plays out . yeah. interesting how it all plays out . yeah i interesting how it all plays out . yeah. i mean, and also bear in wwe— . yeah. i mean, and also bear in wwe-wer— . yeah. i mean, and also bear in wfwe-wer-wee- . yeah. i mean, and also bear in. mind-her-was searched mind that her house was searched way mind that her house was searched wew-aerff— mind that her house was searched wew-aerff .— mind that her house was searched wew-aerff . se— mind that her house was searched way-april . so this- mind that her house was searched way april . so this has way back in april. so this has eeew— way back in april. so this has been e— way back in april. so this has been e-e— way back in april. so this has been e-e fewe- way back in april. so this has been a a long ongoing been a been a long ongoing eeffee— been a been a long ongoing police investigation . ' r: police investigation. and efweeew— police investigation. and obviously boris- police investigation. and obviously boris johnson hasn't actually left the tory party to step as mp, so he's still step down as mp, so he's still sort of there. but i think if they their they they had their own way, they will it does will get rid of him. it does feel that that's sort feel like that that's the sort of direction of travel. what do you think then with regard to humza as even david humza useless as even david maddox called him, obviously i'll honour his name. it is humza yousaf. yeah, but he has not cut through at all, has he? no. well, what's happened is he hasn't had the charisma of sturgeon. part of sturgeon's problem is that there were. she was so omnipro wasn't so eewerfwf— was so omnipro wasn't so eewerfwf :— was so omnipro wasn't so eewerfwf : ee— was so omnipro wasn't so powerful , so charismatic. there powerful, so charismatic. there weewf— powerful, so charismatic. there weewf e— powerful, so charismatic. there wasn't a natural— powerful, so charismatic. there wasn't a natural successor, and efre— wasn't a natural successor, and efre eww-f— wasn't a natural successor, and ewe efew-f ereew— wasn't a natural successor, and she didn't groom a— wasn't a natural successor, and she didn't groom a successor eeeewee— she didn't groom a successor eeeewee efre— she didn't groom a successor because she didn't want somebody

to because she didn't want somebody fe fewe— because she didn't want somebody fe fewe ee— because she didn't want somebody to take over from _ because she didn't want somebody to take over from her. i think weef— to take over from her. i think we wef— to take over from her. i think what that created was a vacuum ferw— what that created was a vacuum ferw ef— what that created was a vacuum form of personality, a vacuum of fefewf. — form of personality, a vacuum of fefewf. awe— form of personality, a vacuum of fefewf. awe ee— form of personality, a vacuum of talent. and so what— form of personality, a vacuum of talent. and so what we have is feweef— talent. and so what we have is feweef: wwe-e— talent. and so what we have is yousaf, who's put— talent. and so what we have is yousaf, who's put through some of yousaf, who's put through some ef fre— yousaf, who's put through some ef we weef— yousaf, who's put through some of the most ridiculous laws, eeeeeferw— of the most ridiculous laws, especially around free speech, the especially around free speech, we free— especially around free speech, the free speech— especially around free speech, the free speech laws in scotland are some of the— the free speech laws in scotland are some of the most draconian in are some of the most draconian fw we— are some of the most draconian in the western— are some of the most draconian in the western world. for example— in the western world. for example :— in the western world. for example , all— in the western world. for example , all the scottish rapist example, all the scottish rapist we— example, all the scottish rapist :ffre ferwe— example, all the scottish rapist , the double rapist, the trans reefer.— , the double rapist, the trans reefer. weew— , the double rapist, the trans rapist. when they said that that he rapist. when they said that that fre ewewe— rapist. when they said that that fre ewewe 90— rapist. when they said that that he should go into— rapist. when they said that that he should go into a women's jail ewe— he should go into a women's jail ewe ew— he should go into a women's jail ewe ew fre— he should go into a women's jail and on the hustings for the feeeerewe— and on the hustings for the leadership convention, when feweef— leadership convention, when feweef eewf— leadership convention, when yousaf said that— leadership convention, when yousaf said that he wasn't a reef— yousaf said that he wasn't a reef wewe— yousaf said that he wasn't a real trans woman, he fell foul of real trans woman, he fell foul ef we— real trans woman, he fell foul ef we ew— real trans woman, he fell foul of his own hate— real trans woman, he fell foul of his own hate speech laws. were— of his own hate speech laws. were few— of his own hate speech laws. that's how absurd things are in seeffewf— that's how absurd things are in scotland now. _ that's how absurd things are in scotland now. you— that's how absurd things are in scotland now. /rt:n. rtft . that's how absurd things are in scotland now. /rt:n. t t e scotland now. you can't speak truth without it being a hate crime. and the voters in seeffewf.— crime. and the voters in scotland, i— if.” and the voters in scotland, i think, just are feewwe— scotland, i think, just are looking ew— scotland, i think, just are looking on aghast at what's weeeewwe— looking on aghast at what's weeeewwe fe— looking on aghast at what's happening to the country and get ewew— happening to the country and get ewew frew — happening to the country and get away from things— happening to the country and get away from things like the ferrfefe— away from things like the terrible drug— away from things like the terrible drug addiction issues , terrible drug addiction issues, the terrible drug addiction issues, we ferrfefe— terrible drug addiction issues, the terrible state— terrible drug addiction issues, the terrible state of the nhs , the terrible state of the nhs, the terrible state of the nhs, the terrible _ the terrible state of the nhs, the terrible state _ the terrible state of the nhs, the terrible state of the nhs, the terrible state of schools ,

the terrible state of schools, ewewe— the terrible state of schools, public services,— the terrible state of schools, public services, you know, the were— public services, you know, the were ewe— public services, you know, the nuts and bolts— public services, you know, the nuts and bolts of— public services, you know, the nuts and bolts of competence and governance are on— nuts and bolts of competence and governance are on the floor in seeffewf— governance are on the floor in scotland and— governance are on the floor in scotland and they— governance are on the floor in scotland and they get sidetracked - scotland and they get sidetracked by, by, by by where— sidetracked by, by, by by minutia around free speech. and can a woman have— minutia around free speech. and can a woman have a penis ? and can a woman have a penis? and eeeefe— can a woman have a penis? and eeeefe reef— can a woman have a penis? and eeeefe reef fwww— can a woman have a penis? and people just think, get a grip, get people just think, get a grip, eef fw— people just think, get a grip, eef w free— people just think, get a grip, get in the real— people just think, get a grip, get in the real world and sort free— get in the real world and sort we eewwfw— get in the real world and sort the country out. _ get in the real world and sort the country out. meanwhile were-e— the country out. meanwhile ffrere-e eff— the country out. meanwhile there's all this— the country out. meanwhile there's all this kind of financial— there's all this kind of financial stuff going on which were— financial stuff going on which wefee eeeefe— financial stuff going on which makes people think these people few-f— makes people think these people don't represent— makes people think these people don't represent me— makes people think these people don't represent me at all ewweew— don't represent me at all anmorev . ee— don't represent me at all anymore . so i- don't represent me at all anymore . so i do think the snp anymore. so i do think the snp are anymore. so i do think the snp erelerewe— anymore. so i do think the snp arelgrave .— anymore. so i do think the snp are-grave , grave— anymore. so i do think the snp are-grave , grave-if- are in grave, grave peril if wew— are in grave, grave peril if ffrew ee— are in grave, grave peril if they fre— are in grave, grave peril if they are the baton carriers of free— they are the baton carriers of the independence movement. i fwwf— the independence movement. i new ff-e— the independence movement. i think it's holed— the independence movement. i think it's holed below the water for think it's holed below the water fer e— think it's holed below the water for a generation. _ think it's holed below the water for a generation. th:r for a generation. do you think perhaps they wish that they'd voted picked kate forbes voted and picked kate forbes instead because kate forbes has definitely had a bit more. i liked her. you know, her presence. i liked some of the comments that she made with regard to yousaf that was regard to humza yousaf that was useless. useless. that was a fantastic that fantastic question that she asked to his asked him with regard to his current reign as with regard to his leadership, he was his leadership, when he was going for leadership, when she said, , all things said, well, with all the things that when you that have gone wrong, when you were and so on that have gone wrong, when you wereso and so on that have gone wrong, when you

were so forth, and so on that have gone wrong, when you were so forth, what and so on that have gone wrong, when you were so forth, what makes so on that have gone wrong, when you were so forth, what makes you n and so forth, what makes you think you can actually lead the party? you that perhaps party? do you think that perhaps they're remorseful they're sort of quite remorseful that her that they didn't pick her instead? well, it instead? well, and i think it wee-fewer- instead? well, and i think it. was- bitter leadership 3“ well, and i think it was that bitter leadership 3“ well, and i think it was that one.ar leadership 3“ well, and i think it was that one.ar lersomerip contest, that one. and some of freee— contest, that one. and some of those remarks— contest, that one. and some of those remarks making those remarks she was making eeewf— those remarks she was making aboutlcolleague_ those remarks she was making about colleague that she would about a colleague that she would wewe— about a colleague that she would wewe-wew— about a colleague that she would have-work with— about a colleague that she would have-work with-i- have to work with later, i werew— have to work with later, i thought astonishing. thought was astonishing. i werew— thought was astonishing. i thought that— thought was astonishing. i thought that that humza yousaf all thought that that humza yousaf eff fre— thought that that humza yousaf eff we wew— thought that that humza yousaf all the way through when i was fefwwe— all the way through when i was fefwwe fe— all the way through when i was talking to snp— all the way through when i was talking to snp mps was the most fffefw— talking to snp mps was the most fffefw wfwwer— talking to snp mps was the most likely winner because generally ereewwe— likely winner because generally eeeeffwe fre— likely winner because generally speaking he was— likely winner because generally speaking he was the continuity eewfffefe— speaking he was the continuity eewfffefe .— speaking he was the continuity candidate , but— speaking he was the continuity candidate , but he was the one candidate, but he was the one weef— candidate, but he was the one weef fffefw— candidate, but he was the one most likely to _ candidate, but he was the one most likely to continue with the wwe— most likely to continue with the we ef— most likely to continue with the we ef fwwee— most likely to continue with the kind of things that nicola sfwreeew— kind of things that nicola sturgeon had— kind of things that nicola sturgeon had put forward . and sturgeon had put forward. and you mentioned— sturgeon had put forward. and you mentioned the gender reeeeewfffew— you mentioned the gender recognition bill. i mean, i'm eereeweffw— recognition bill. i mean, i'm eereeweffw fw— recognition bill. i mean, i'm personally in favour of that eewfewfer— personally in favour of that particular piece— personally in favour of that particular piece of legislation . wewewer r— particular piece of legislation . however, i do— particular piece of legislation . however, i do appreciate that seefe— . however, i do appreciate that seefe fee— . however, i do appreciate that scots voters weren't there was eewefwwe — scots voters weren't there was something like _ scots voters weren't there was something like sort of three and five something like sort of three and fwe wee— something like sort of three and five were were— something like sort of three and five were were against it. and it five were were against it. and ff eeewe— five were were against it. and ff fe— five were were against it. and it seems to me— five were were against it. and it seems to me from a political eewf— it seems to me from a political eewf ef— it seems to me from a political eewf ef wew— it seems to me from a political point of view, that— it seems to me from a political point of view, that was a wfefefe— point of view, that was a mistake to— point of view, that was a mistake to force that one fwewefr — mistake to force that one through. but- mistake to force that one through. but there's a whole conversation around around that data. so what happened was the numbers that the snp put forward for the voters in favour of it,

it was actually work done for by charities that the snp bankrolled . and so ostensibly bankrolled. and so ostensibly the data i think was unrepresentative of what the what the voters actually believed in. and i think that's the problem. it's like we're going to get the result we want and i think you're dead right. nigel after a while, things just run their course . us and run their course. us and politicians just run out of road. that's what's happened. well, let's speak to the deputy eeffffeef— well, let's speak to the deputy political commentator who will be political commentator who will we refwfwe— political commentator who will re joining we— political commentator who will ee joining we fw— political commentator who will be joining us in a— political commentator who will be joining us in a moment. but refwwe— be joining us in a moment. but refwwe we— be joining us in a moment. but joining we wew— be joining us in a moment. but joining us now, if— be joining us in a moment. but joining us now, if you're just fwwef— joining us now, if you're just fwwef fw— joining us now, if you're just fwwef fw fe— joining us now, if you're just tuned in is nigel nelson, who is the tuned in is nigel nelson, who is fre-eeffffeef— tuned in is nigel nelson, who is the political commentator the deputy political commentator and the deputy political commentator ewe—ferw- and also former brexit party were — and also former brexit party were fferffw— and also former brexit party mep. martin daubney. now let's wewe—free— mep. martin daubney. now let's wewe—free feewwa have a chat with the deputy efffer— have a chat with the deputy efffer ef— have a chat with the deputy editor of conservativehome henry ruf— editor of conservativehome henry wfff.—fe— editor of conservativehome henry wfff.—fe wre- editor of conservativehome henry hill._is this news- hill. henry, this is this news a ewrerfee— hill. henry, this is this news a ewrerfee fe— hill. henry, this is this news a surprise to you?— hill. henry, this is this news a surprise to you? nicola sturgeon has surprise to you? nicola sturgeon free eeew— surprise to you? nicola sturgeon free teen war,— surprise to you? nicola sturgeon has been well, she's apparently eeew— has been well, she's apparently been arrested— has been well, she's apparently been arrested . _ has been well, she's apparently been arrested . �*vw�*rtnt has been well, she's apparently been arrested. �*vw�*rtnt . has been well, she's apparently been arrested . �*vw�*rtnt . been arrested. well, it was always likely, i think at some point it's a surprise that it happened this weekend. i think after all the stuff with boris johnson, i was looking forward to a sunday afternoon in to having a sunday afternoon in which else could which nothing much else could

possibly we possibly happen. but here we are. you know, nicola are. but you know, nicola sturgeon was first minister of scotland years. her scotland for eight years. her husband, who husband, peter murrell, who was previously police previously arrested by police scotland, executive of scotland, was chief executive of the 20 years. and the party for 20 years. and there was always, know, even there was always, you know, even when on as when they were both on top, as it there always it were, there was always problems and questions about having over having that much control over the party within one household. but one thing that that certainly meant it was never certainly meant is it was never plausible had major plausible that if you had major problems snp's finances problems with the snp's finances , that peter murrell as chief executive would know, that , that peter murrell as chief exewouldn'ttuld know, that , that peter murrell as chief exewouldn't have;now, that , that peter murrell as chief exewouldn't have discussed hat , that peter murrell as chief exewouldn't have discussed itit he wouldn't have discussed it with his wife. the first minister. i think given that minister. so i think given that he question is he was arrested, the question is more where did this two month delay come from exactly? because within that period , because within that period, eewfewefw— because within that period, obviously the— because within that period, obviously the police have been fwweeffeeffwe— obviously the police have been investigating this. and i'm wewferfwe— investigating this. and i'm wondering now with regard to the swe— wondering now with regard to the ewe ewe— wondering now with regard to the snp and obviously— wondering now with regard to the snp and obviously with humza feweef— snp and obviously with humza feweef fwewf— snp and obviously with humza yousaf yusuf in— snp and obviously with humza yousaf yusuf in charge now, do you— yousaf yusuf in charge now, do wew eee— yousaf yusuf in charge now, do wew freee— yousaf yusuf in charge now, do you see because speaking erewfewefw— you see because speaking previously david maddox eweeeefef— previously david maddox suggested that there is still a big eeeefffe— suggested that there is still a big eeeefffe fer— suggested that there is still a big appetite for independence, do big appetite for independence, we wew— big appetite for independence, we wew effff— big appetite for independence, do you still think that is the case in scotland— do you still think that is the case in scotland ? i think case in scotland? i think were-e— case in scotland? i think ffrere-elefe—

case in scotland? i think there's big latent appetite there's a big latent appetite for independence. /rt:n. for independence. you know, the referendum did move the baseline for independence up to about 4,045% of the scottish electorate. that hasn't changed. the on the principle is the polling on the principle is still but the gap still fairly narrow, but the gap and the problem for the snp from the beginning been the beginning has always been translating the large number of voters who support the kind of vague idea, you know , including vague idea, you know, including as is , the idea of no longer as it is, the idea of no longer being governed the tories in being governed by the tories in london rest it, being governed by the tories in lon(then rest it, being governed by the tories in lon(then turning rest it, being governed by the tories in lon(then turning that st it, being governed by the tories in lon(then turning that into it, and then turning that into a reality when you up to all reality when you face up to all the difficulties that an the huge difficulties that an independent would face. independent scotland would face. and what this means is that those , they have become those problems, they have become much acute . nicola much more acute. nicola sturgeon, she could sturgeon, you know, she could have major asset to have remained a major asset to the independence cause if the have remained a major asset to the ihadiendence cause if the have remained a major asset to the ihad beennce cause if the have remained a major asset to the ihad been int cause if the have remained a major asset to the ihad been in a:ause if the have remained a major asset to the ihad been in a position he have remained a major asset to the ihad been in a position to snp had been in a position to revisit the issue in 5 or 6 years time. what this is years time. what this means is that the snp is hugely damaged, nicola sturgeon hugely nicola sturgeon is hugely damaged. it damaged. it's going to make it much more difficult. sell is this this not i much more difficult. sell is this-this not i mean,- this is this not i mean, everyone's-of- this is this not i mean, everyone's of looking everyone's sort of looking at free— everyone's sort of looking at fre-fe— everyone's sort of looking at fwe-fe-we- this as if to say that the wefwref— this as if to say that the natural snp— this as if to say that the natural snp voter will now turn to natural snp voter will now turn fe—reww.— natural snp voter will now turn fe—reww. ewf- natural snp voter will now turni to_party. butimean, to the labour party. but i mean, wwer— to the labour party. but i mean, we eeewf— to the labour party. but i mean, what about conservatives? what about the conservatives? are—ewe- what about the conservatives?| are—ewe fe are they offering much and do you— are they offering much and do wew-ef— are they offering much and do you-at-momentl

you feel that at the moment wew-we— you feel that at the moment fwew-we-wre- you feel that at the moment they've mps there you feel that at the moment- they've _mps there than they've got more mps there than they've got more mps there than we feeewr— they've got more mps there than the labour party— they've got more mps there than the labour party at— they've got more mps there than the labour party at moment ? the labour party at the moment? so the labour party at the moment? se—efee— the labour party at the moment? se—efee ew— so is this not also an eeeerfwwfw- so is this not also an opportunity for the conservative ferwe— opportunity for the conservative party?-obviously- opportunity for the conservative party? obviously there's party? i mean obviously there's a party? i mean obviously there's e-fwwee— party? i mean obviously there's e-fwwee eewe- party? i mean obviously there's a things going with party? i mean obviously there's a toriesrings going with party? i mean obviously there's a tories rightgoing with party? i mean obviously there's a tories right now, with party? i mean obviously there's a tories right now, butwith party? i mean obviously there's a tories right now, but doh party? i mean obviously there's a tories right now, but do you the tories right now, but do you fre— the tories right now, but do you see the conservatives potentially - see the conservatives potentially picking of potentially picking up some of the potentially picking up some of we wefee— potentially picking up some of the votes from _ potentially picking up some of the votes from from the snp , the votes from from the snp, eefewffeffw— the votes from from the snp, potentially the _ the votes from from the snp, potentially the snp is an fwereffefw— potentially the snp is an incredibly broad coalition partly— incredibly broad coalition partly because they're just wwfef— partly because they're just wwfef fw— partly because they're just united by independence . my. united by independence. they eeweeer— united by independence. they compass voters— united by independence. they compass voters who - united by independence. they compass voters who believe in a huge snp huge range of things. the snp became scotland's dominant party by taking loads of labour voters and so labour will gain the most of the snp, start to retreat back to where used to be. back to where they used to be. but yes, certainly there are parts centre, parts of scotland more centre, right, north—east parts of scotland more centre, rigiexample, north—east parts of scotland more centre, rigiexample, whererorth—east parts of scotland more centre, rigiexample, where the —east parts of scotland more centre, rigiexample, where the where the for example, where the where the conservatives are the main challengers if does challengers and if there does turn a kind of general, turn into a kind of general, let's boot out mindset let's boot this lot out mindset which electorate has from which every electorate has from time time, the tories would time to time, the tories would be principal beneficiary of be the principal beneficiary of that. well that would be that. yes well that would be interesting to see. and obviously the - g and obviously the labour party interesting to see. and- obviously the labour party must be obviously the labour party must eewew—- be licking their lips now, wwwe.— be licking their lips now, thinking, to thinking, gosh, we're going to efeew— thinking, gosh, we're going to efeew-few-f— thinking, gosh, we're going to clean-don't-needj clean up. we don't even need to www— worry about potentially a ceeffffew— worry about potentially a coalition government or, you wew.— coalition government or, you wew—www- coalition government or, you. know,_think that know, because they think that eefewffeffw— know, because they think that. potentially—enough potentially they'll have enough wre- —

potentially they'll have enough mps. _represent- potentially they'll have enough mps. _represent in- potentially they'll have enough mps. represent in the mps. now to represent in the wewf— mps. now to represent in the next election— mps. now to represent in the next election .— mps. now to represent in the next election . the are next election. the tories are ferwe— next election. the tories are doingldisastrous- next election. the tories are doing disastrous job at the doing a disastrous job at the wewef— doing a disastrous job at the moment-whilst- doing a disastrous job at the moment whilst on doing a disastrous job at the. moment-whilst-on it doing a disastrous job at the- moment-whilst-on it, moment and whilst we're on it, wwer— moment and whilst we're on it, weef—were- moment and whilst we're on it,| weef—were ee what are your thoughts there as feewwe— what are your thoughts there as we're looking at— what are your thoughts there as we're looking at the conservative we're looking at the- conservative-imploding we're looking at the— conservative-imploding ? conservative party imploding? wew.— conservative party imploding? weff. r— conservative party imploding? weff. r weew— conservative party imploding? well, i mean, the— conservative party imploding? well, i mean, the departure of bods well, i mean, the departure of boris johnson is it's not a planned it's not a planned strategic exercise . you know, he strategic exercise. you know, he and a few of his closest allies resigning that by elections will be awkward. it might be awkward. and yes, it might destabilise if destabilise the government if all byelections go badly. all those byelections go badly. but there's clearly no plan. there's no idea of there's no there's no idea of what they're going to do next. there's coordinated to there's no coordinated effort to try from try and take back power from rishi it really is just rishi sunak. it really is just kind trying to bring down the kind of trying to bring down the prime do much prime minister and do as much damage the damage as possible. i think the question they've left question is if they've all left parliament, if boris is outside the house of is he the house of commons, is he going well positioned going to be as well positioned as take as he might have been to take advantage the chaos that will advantage of the chaos that will follow if the conservatives lose the election? think that the election? i think that personally have been personally he might have been better off in parliament, personally he might have been bettwe'll in parliament, personally he might have been bettwe'll see. well,arliament, personally he might have been bettwe'll see. well,arliaithing but we'll see. well, one thing wee— but we'll see. well, one thing wewe—freer.- but we'll see. well, one thing you're—that, henry,j n well, one thing you're there that, henry, n well, one thing you're there clearlyiat, henry, n well, one thing you're there clearly is, henry, n well, one thing you're there clearly is no enry, n well, one thing you're there clearly is no plan is that there clearly is no plan at is that there clearly is no plan ef eff— is that there clearly is no plan ef eff fer— is that there clearly is no plan at all for the— is that there clearly is no plan at all for the conservative party— at all for the conservative reww ewe— at all for the conservative party and a&e,- at all for the conservative party and a&e, you very party and a&e, thank you very wwew— party and a&e, thank you very wwefltefwfwe— party and a&e, thank you veryl much .joining-he's much forjoining me. now, he's the much forjoining me. now, he's fre-effer— the deputy editor of conservativehome henry hill.

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eweeefeffew— today. so it was certainly an expectation that— today. so it was certainly an expectation that as part of this fwweeffeeffew— expectation that as part of this investigation into— expectation that as part of this investigation into the snp's feee— investigation into the snp's finances, she— investigation into the snp's finances, she would eventually be finances, she would eventually we eweeffewef— finances, she would eventually be questioned by— finances, she would eventually be questioned by police and that day be questioned by police and that few free— be questioned by police and that few free ewe— be questioned by police and that day has come now— be questioned by police and that day has come now and it really free— day has come now and it really free e— day has come now and it really has a potential— day has come now and it really has a potential to— day has come now and it really has a potential to have a big fweee— has a potential to have a big fweeef ew— has a potential to have a big impact on the— has a potential to have a big impact on the reputation of someone who— impact on the reputation of someone who is— impact on the reputation of someone who is one of the referee— someone who is one of the biggest figures— someone who is one of the biggest figures in british eeffffee— biggest figures in british politics and— biggest figures in british politics and is scotland's feweeef— politics and is scotland's longest serving first minister of longest serving first minister ef eff— longest serving first minister ef eff ffwe— longest serving first minister ef eff ffwe . — longest serving first minister of all time. a— longest serving first minister of all time. a lot- longest serving first minister of all time. ' longest serving first minister of all time . ' longest serving first minister of all time. ' zrg of all time. a lot of the big names are falling at the moment, doesn't it? all these big character politicians who we kind of almost elected because of their charisma . now a lot of of their charisma. now a lot of this is falling away , say in this is falling away, say in terms of the scotland. and then, of course , the eu. how do you of course, the eu. how do you think that will fare with the people in scotland? do you think that they'll be still considered that they'll be still considered that they'll be still considered that they want to an independent scotland and maybe want scotland and maybe they'd want that part of the eu? or do that to be part of the eu? or do you they've got their you think they've got their hands their hands full with their own domestic more domestic politics and are more concerned yousaf . concerned about humza yousaf. well i think that this issue does have the potential to have

an impact on support for independence. buti an impact on support for independence. but i think what we ewewff— independence. but i think what we should maybe— 33t but i think what we should maybe point out , first we should maybe point out, first of we should maybe point out, first ef eff.— we should maybe point out, first ef eff. fe— we should maybe point out, first ef eff. fe ee— we should maybe point out, first of all, is as humza— we should maybe point out, first of all, is as humza yousaf acknowledged— of all, is as humza yousaf acknowledged in an interview fwe— acknowledged in an interview we wewwf.— acknowledged in an interview this morning, there is no wererffw— this morning, there is no majority support , consistent majority support, consistent wererffw— majority support, consistent majority support, consistent majority support for independence in scotland. and i fwwf— independence in scotland. and i fwwf wef— independence in scotland. and i fwwf ffref fe— independence in scotland. and i think that is a— independence in scotland. and i think that is a that is already a think that is a that is already e ereefew— think that is a that is already e ereefew fer— think that is a that is already a problem for the snp and for independence— a problem for the snp and for independence supporters. there's eeew— independence supporters. there's been some polls— independence supporters. there's been some polls that have given the been some polls that have given we swe— been some polls that have given we swr e— been some polls that have given the snp a majority— been some polls that have given the snp a majority , given the the snp a majority, given the independence— the snp a majority, given the independence campaign and a wewew.— independence campaign and a majorityr ewf— independence campaign and a majority, but not— independence campaign and a majority, but not many. and so no, majority, but not many. and so ff— majority, but not many. and so ff few-f— majority, but not many. and so no, it isn't the— majority, but not many. and so no, it isn't the settled eeefffew— no, it isn't the settled position of— no, it isn't the settled position of the scottish public by any— position of the scottish public by eww weewe— position of the scottish public by any means. at— position of the scottish public by any means. at the at the wewef — by any means. at the at the moment. and— by any means. at the at the moment. and i— by any means. at the at the moment. and i think there is a bit moment. and i think there is a er ef— moment. and i think there is a er ef eewe— moment. and i think there is a bit of panic within— moment. and i think there is a bit of panic within the snp that this bit of panic within the snp that were re— bit of panic within the snp that were re going— bit of panic within the snp that were re going fe— bit of panic within the snp that this is going to have a big fweeef— this is going to have a big fweeef ew— this is going to have a big impact on their- this is going to have a big impact on their popularity. and efeerfw— impact on their popularity. and efeerfw fwe— impact on their popularity. and clearly the snp— impact on their popularity. and clearly the snp are the party of fwfeeewfewee— clearly the snp are the party of independence .— clearly the snp are the party of independence . so— clearly the snp are the party of independence . so without the snp independence. so without the snp ferwe— independence. so without the snp ferwe weff— independence. so without the snp doing weff ff-e— independence. so without the snp doing well it's very— independence. so without the snp doing well it's very difficult to doing well it's very difficult fe eee— doing well it's very difficult fe fwe— doing well it's very difficult to see the campaign for independence- to see the campaign for independence going anywhere, any we— independence going anywhere, any ffwe — independence going anywhere, any ffwe are— independence going anywhere, any time soon. are they— independence going anywhere, any time soon. ' ”rt; sn time soon. are they still haemorrhaging their memberships as well? because people were leaving in their droves,

especially with the gender recognition reform bill that started off this sort this started off this sort of this sort snow ball effect of sort of snow ball effect of people leaving the party as they're leaving their membership . and now this. i'm wondering, where is their membership now in terms of i mean, they lost, what is 30% within few months is it, 30% within a few months of the gender recognition reform bill where are they now ? yeah bill where are they now? yeah so the latest figure that the swe— so the latest figure that the ewe wewe— so the latest figure that the snp have used— so the latest figure that the snp have used is around 75,000 members, which— snp have used is around 75,000 members, which it's way down frew— members, which it's way down frew fwe— members, which it's way down frew the reef.— members, which it's way down from the peak. it— members, which it's way down from the peak. it was up at ewewf— from the peak. it was up at about 120,000— from the peak. it was up at about 120,000 plus at one stage. so about 120,000 plus at one stage. se ff— about 120,000 plus at one stage. se ff fe— about 120,000 plus at one stage. se ff fe wew— about 120,000 plus at one stage. so it is way down,— about 120,000 plus at one stage. so it is way down, but we have to so it is way down, but we have fe eewf— so it is way down, but we have re eewf ewf— so it is way down, but we have to point out that— so it is way down, but we have to point out that 75,000 is by far to point out that 75,000 is by fer ewe— to point out that 75,000 is by fer ewe ewew— to point out that 75,000 is by far and away bigger than the effer— far and away bigger than the ether eewfee— far and away bigger than the other parties in— far and away bigger than the other parties in scotland. so we— other parties in scotland. so we effff— other parties in scotland. so it's still it's— other parties in scotland. so it's still it's still— other parties in scotland. so it's still it's still a large membership— it's still it's still a large membership that they have. i fwwf— membership that they have. i fwwf fwe— membership that they have. i think the concern for them will eeeefefw— think the concern for them will eeeefefw ee— think the concern for them will possibly be more— think the concern for them will possibly be more with voters and wfffr— possibly be more with voters and wfffr fewere— possibly be more with voters and with donors because the figures just with donors because the figures twef feef— with donors because the figures twef feef weef— with donors because the figures just last week that showed that in just last week that showed that w fwe—

just last week that showed that w we ffref— just last week that showed that in the first three— just last week that showed that in the first three months of fwe— in the first three months of were weer— in the first three months of this year the— in the first three months of this year the only donation that the this year the only donation that frre swe— this year the only donation that the snp received— this year the only donation that the snp received was one feweffew— the snp received was one donation of— the snp received was one donation of £4,000 from somebody who donation of £4,000 from somebody wwe wee— donation of £4,000 from somebody who was deceased.— donation of £4,000 from somebody who was deceased. so that was eweff— who was deceased. so that was eweff fw— who was deceased. so that was small fry compared to the sort of donations— small fry compared to the sort of donations to _ small fry compared to the sort of donations to labour and the conservatives. _ of donations to labour and the conservatives. and that's a real wef— conservatives. and that's a real concern that the— conservatives. and that's a real concern that the funding has fwee— concern that the funding has frfef we— concern that the funding has free we ewe— concern that the funding has dried up and i— concern that the funding has dried up and i think the big concern for— dried up and i think the big concern for the— dried up and i think the big concern for the snp will be feewwe— concern for the snp will be feewwe ef— concern for the snp will be looking at the— concern for the snp will be looking at the recent polls that few— looking at the recent polls that few eff— looking at the recent polls that wew eff eee— looking at the recent polls that they all seem to— looking at the recent polls that they all seem to be suggesting wef— they all seem to be suggesting freer ewewew— they all seem to be suggesting freer eweeerr fer— they all seem to be suggesting that support for the snp is wewfwe— that support for the snp is moving backwards . now we don't moving backwards. now we don't fwew— moving backwards. now we don't knew where— moving backwards. now we don't know what's going— moving backwards. now we don't know what's going to happen with the know what's going to happen with we wfeefe— know what's going to happen with the nicola sturgeon interview fefew— the nicola sturgeon interview fefew ewe— the nicola sturgeon interview fefew ewe fwe— the nicola sturgeon interview today and the wider police investigation— today and the wider police investigation .— today and the wider police investigation . we don't know if investigation. we don't know if were-e— investigation. we don't know if were-e going— investigation. we don't know if were-e going fe— investigation. we don't know if there's going to be any charges ereeeef— there's going to be any charges pressed against— there's going to be any charges pressed against anyone on, but were-e— pressed against anyone on, but ffrere-e we— pressed against anyone on, but there's no question on that. swer— there's no question on that. eweff e— there's no question on that. eweff e fwee— there's no question on that. such a huge moment where this big eeffffeef— such a huge moment where this big political beast— such a huge moment where this big political beast of the snp is interviewed— big political beast of the snp is interviewed by police. i mean it is interviewed by police. i mean ff free— is interviewed by police. i mean ff free we— is interviewed by police. i mean it has the potential to have big ramifications— it has the potential to have big ramifications for— it has the potential to have big ramifications for the snp's eeewferfrw— ramifications for the snp's eeewferffw. — ramifications for the snp's popularity . /rt:n. n ramifications for the snp's- popularity . you know, we'll keep popularity. you know, we'll keep our eyes on this story. michael

blakely, thank you very much for joining me. he's a scottish political editor for the daily mail. thank you, michael. well just as an snp spokesperson said that these issues are subject to a live police investigation, the snp have been cooperating fully with this investigation and will continue to do so. however, it is not appropriate to publicly address any issues whilst that investigation is ongoing and we will obviously avoid all that. but we obviously this is a big story and we need to keep our eyes focussed on what is actually happening there. but stay is gb news with stay tuned. this is gb news with live on tv, online and digital. but it's coming up to 31 but it's just coming up to 31 minutes time to minutes after 3:00. time to get your headlines your latest news headlines with aaron . good afternoon aaron armstrong. good afternoon to aaron armstrong. good afternoon fe wew. — aaron armstrong. good afternoon fe we we— aaron armstrong. good afternoon re wew. rf-e freff— aaron armstrong. good afternoon to you. it's half past— g good afternoon to you. it's half past three. war,— to you. it's half past three. weff. ee— to you. it's half past three. well, as we've— to you. it's half past three. well, as we've just- to you. it's half past three. well, as we've just been hearing, nicola sturgeon has been arrested by police investigating snp finances and funding the former first minister is in custody , being minister is in custody, being questioned by detectives. a spokesperson for the former snp

feeder— spokesperson for the former snp feefer eewe— spokesperson for the former snp leader says she— spokesperson for the former snp leader says she voluntarily effewfef— leader says she voluntarily attended an _ leader says she voluntarily attended an interview and has eewefefewffw— attended an interview and has consistently said— attended an interview and has consistently said she will eeeeerefe— consistently said she will cooperate with - consistently said she will cooperate with the investigation . in cooperate with the investigation . rw aprib — cooperate with the investigation . rw aprilr wer— cooperate with the investigation . in april, her husband, peter ffwrreff— . in april, her husband, peter rfwrreff .— . in april, her husband, peter murrell , who— . in april, her husband, peter murrell , who was the scottish murrell, who was the scottish weffewef— murrell, who was the scottish national party's— murrell, who was the scottish national party's chief executive, _ national party's chief executive, was arrested and refeeeef— executive, was arrested and released without charge, pending fwrffrer— released without charge, pending further inquiries— released without charge, pending further inquiries as their home ewe— further inquiries as their home ewe fwe— further inquiries as their home end we swe— further inquiries as their home and the snp headquarters were efee— and the snp headquarters were also searched— and the snp headquarters were also searched ,_ and the snp headquarters were also searched , with police seen also searched, with police seen rewewfwe— also searched, with police seen removing fewee— also searched, with police seen removing boxes of— also searched, with police seen removing boxes of evidence . removing boxes of evidence. fwee — removing boxes of evidence. three british _ removing boxes of evidence. three british tourists are wfeefwe— three british tourists are missing after— three british tourists are missing after a dive boat burst wfe— missing after a dive boat burst fwfe ffewee— missing after a dive boat burst into flames in— missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the— missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off egypt-— into flames in the red sea off fewer. offfefefe— into flames in the red sea off egypt. officials say 12 britons were rescued _ egypt. officials say 12 britons were rescued along with 12 reweffew— were rescued along with 12 reweffew ew— were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides. were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides . the egyptian crew and guides. the rerefew— egyptian crew and guides. the foreign office— egyptian crew and guides. the foreign office has confirmed it's foreign office has confirmed ff-e fw— foreign office has confirmed it's in contact— foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities— it's in contact with egyptian authorities and _ it's in contact with egyptian authorities and is assisting fweee— authorities and is assisting those involved— authorities and is assisting those involved .- authorities and is assisting those involved . one of boris those involved. one of boris rewweew-e— those involved. one of boris johnson's allies— those involved. one of boris johnson's allies says the resignations— johnson's allies says the resignations of two tory mps was not resignations of two tory mps was wef e— resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated— resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated attempt to wrerwffwe— not a coordinated attempt to undermine the— not a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister, reeee— undermine the prime minister, jacob rees—mogg says there's no efer— jacob rees—mogg says there's no efer eeefwef— jacob rees—mogg says there's no plot against rishi— jacob rees—mogg says there's no plot against rishi sunak and he eeffewee— plot against rishi sunak and he believes sunak— plot against rishi sunak and he believes sunak should remain feefer. — believes sunak should remain feefer. we— believes sunak should remain leader. he also— believes sunak should remain leader. he also suggested mr rewweew— leader. he also suggested mr johnson could— leader. he also suggested mr johnson could return to

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eeew fe wewe .— our website. gb news .com. now back to nana . good— our website. gb news .com. now back to nana . good afternoon. back to nana. good afternoon. wfe— back to nana. good afternoon. we re— back to nana. good afternoon. we fe ef— back to nana. good afternoon. this is gb news.— back to nana. good afternoon. this is gb news. we— back to nana. good afternoon. this is gb news. we are- back to nana. good afternoon. t [15 \r �*vw�*rt; rstrt; this is gb news. we are the people's channel. we're live on tv , online and on digital radio tv, online and on digital radio . i'm nana akua. joining me in the studio is martin daubney and also nigel nelson. and of course , we are still talking about that breaking news in the last hour that former snp leader nicola sturgeon has been arrested in the investigation into the snp's finance is now police scotland have reported that to us just a few moments ago. so if you just joined me, stay with us. we'll be keeping our eye on that story. but right now, let's go over to tom harwood. let's go straight over to tom harwood. let's get an update with our political reporter, tom harwood . tom, so reporter, tom harwood. tom, so just just give us an update of what's what's been happening . what's what's been happening. well, it's important to remember the well, it's important to remember we eewew— well, it's important to remember we eewfexf fw— well, it's important to remember the context in which we're fefwwe— the context in which we're refwwe fwe— the context in which we're talking the police scotland have had talking the police scotland have free weef-e— talking the police scotland have had what's known— talking the police scotland have had what's known as operation wewew— had what's known as operation erewefr ferw — had what's known as operation branch form running since 2021. were— branch form running since 2021.

were re— branch form running since 2021. were fe ew— branch form running since 2021. this is an investigation into swe— this is an investigation into swr party— this is an investigation into snp party finances and possible frewf— snp party finances and possible frewf wffww— snp party finances and possible fraud within snp— snp party finances and possible fraud within snp party fundraising.- fraud within snp party fundraising. it's resulted in fwee— fundraising. it's resulted in three arrests. _ fundraising. it's resulted in three arrests. so far. firstly, we— three arrests. so far. firstly, the husband— three arrests. so far. firstly, the husband of— three arrests. so far. firstly, the husband of nicola sturgeon, refer— the husband of nicola sturgeon, peter murrell— the husband of nicola sturgeon, peter murrell ,_ the husband of nicola sturgeon, peter murrell , he— the husband of nicola sturgeon, peter murrell , he was the chief peter murrell, he was the chief eeewfwef — peter murrell, he was the chief eeewfwef ef— peter murrell, he was the chief executive of the _ peter murrell, he was the chief executive of the party. he was erreefef— executive of the party. he was erreefef ef— executive of the party. he was arrested at the— executive of the party. he was arrested at the beginning of april— arrested at the beginning of aerff .— arrested at the beginning of april . wewf.— arrested at the beginning of april. next, the— arrested at the beginning of april . next, the former party april. next, the former party effer— april. next, the former party chair treasurer— april. next, the former party chair treasurer was arrested . chair treasurer was arrested. wef— chair treasurer was arrested. fwef wee— chair treasurer was arrested. that was around— chair treasurer was arrested. that was around half way through april— that was around half way through aerff ewf— that was around half way through april ewe fefew— that was around half way through april and today now the former feeder— april and today now the former feefer ef— april and today now the former leader of the _ april and today now the former leader of the party, nicola sfwreeew— leader of the party, nicola sturgeon, has— leader of the party, nicola sturgeon, has been arrested as weff— sturgeon, has been arrested as weff. fwe— sturgeon, has been arrested as well. the previous— sturgeon, has been arrested as well. the previous two arrests wewe— well. the previous two arrests wewe eeew.— well. the previous two arrests wewe eeew ef— well. the previous two arrests have been, of course, released wfffrewf— have been, of course, released without charge. _ have been, of course, released without charge. but after fewefww— without charge. but after lengthy questioning and indeed searches that— lengthy questioning and indeed searches that have been that wewe— searches that have been that wewe wef— searches that have been that have that have— searches that have been that have that have taken place and were— have that have taken place and were wee— have that have taken place and were e— have that have taken place and there was a very— have that have taken place and there was a very lengthy search of there was a very lengthy search ef fwe— there was a very lengthy search ef we fewffw— there was a very lengthy search of the family home of nicola sfwreeew— of the family home of nicola sfwreeew ewf— of the family home of nicola sturgeon and peter murrell in april-— sturgeon and peter murrell in aerff. awf— sturgeon and peter murrell in april. and this— sturgeon and peter murrell in april. and this investigation eewfwweef— april. and this investigation continues to— april. and this investigation continues to go— april. and this investigation continues to go on. it's not efeer— continues to go on. it's not efeer wew— continues to go on. it's not clear how long— continues to go on. it's not clear how long nicola sturgeon wfff— clear how long nicola sturgeon wfff ee— clear how long nicola sturgeon will be questioned for by police

eewfwe.— will be questioned for by police scotland, but— will be questioned for by police scotland, but as— will be questioned for by police scotland, but as i— will be questioned for by police scotland, but as i say, she fw— scotland, but as i say, she remains in police custody , being remains in police custody, being eweeffewef— remains in police custody, being eweeffewef ee— remains in police custody, being questioned as we— remains in police custody, being questioned as we speak . �*vw�*rtnt questioned as we speak. well, tomr_ questioned as we speak. well, few. wfw— questioned as we speak. well, few. wfff eff— questioned as we speak. well, tom, with all this story kind of breaking at the moment, are we getting an idea of what's kind of going on in scotland in terms of going on in scotland in terms of the political vibe there? obviously a lot of the scottish channels reporting this story. what kind of thing what are they saying there ? it's fascinating saying there? it's fascinating freee— saying there? it's fascinating because since _ saying there? it's fascinating because since this— g .trtrrtfi’ it's fascinating because since this story broke the because since this story broke we ferfwwee— because since this story broke the fortunes, the— because since this story broke the fortunes, the fortunes of we— the fortunes, the fortunes of we swe— the fortunes, the fortunes of the snp have— the fortunes, the fortunes of the snp have been falling. we freew— the snp have been falling. we can track the _ the snp have been falling. we can track the general opinion eeffe— can track the general opinion eeffe wfrww— can track the general opinion polls within in— can track the general opinion polls within in scotland that wewe— polls within in scotland that have seen the— polls within in scotland that have seen the snp whilst still wefwfefwwe— have seen the snp whilst still wefwfefwwe e— have seen the snp whilst still maintaining a fairly strong base of maintaining a fairly strong base ef ewewew.— maintaining a fairly strong base of support. there— maintaining a fairly strong base of support. there absolute level has of support. there absolute level free eeew— of support. there absolute level has been decline— of support. there absolute level has been decline .— of support. there absolute level has been decline . king and has been decline. king and feeffwwe— has been decline. king and declining rather— has been decline. king and declining rather precipitously. wwer— declining rather precipitously. wwefwe— declining rather precipitously. what we have— declining rather precipitously. what we have seen is many ereteeffewe— what we have seen is many projections that— what we have seen is many projections that show the snp wfff— projections that show the snp wfff wef— projections that show the snp wfff wef eef— projections that show the snp wfff wef eef e— projections that show the snp will not get a majority of seats weww— will not get a majority of seats weww ef— will not get a majority of seats weww ef fwe— will not get a majority of seats

north of the border at the next eeweref— north of the border at the next general election— north of the border at the next general election ,_ north of the border at the next general election , which would general election, which would efew— general election, which would efew eeew— general election, which would efew eeew fw— general election, which would blow back in the— general election, which would blow back in the face of nicola sfwreeew-e— blow back in the face of nicola sturgeon's own _ blow back in the face of nicola sturgeon's own plan for a quasi referewfww— sturgeon's own plan for a quasi referewfww .— sturgeon's own plan for a quasi referendum . um,— sturgeon's own plan for a quasi referendum . um, to be made of referendum. um, to be made of wef— referendum. um, to be made of ffref ef— referendum. um, to be made of ffref ef e— referendum. um, to be made of that at a general— referendum. um, to be made of that at a general election. she wewff— that at a general election. she wewff eew— that at a general election. she would say that— that at a general election. she would say that had the majority of would say that had the majority ef eeefe— would say that had the majority ef eeefe fw— would say that had the majority of seats in scotland gone to the swe— of seats in scotland gone to the ewe wef— of seats in scotland gone to the snp that would— of seats in scotland gone to the snp that would be— of seats in scotland gone to the snp that would be a mandate for fweeeewfewee— snp that would be a mandate for fweeeewfewee .— snp that would be a mandate for independence . well, even on that independence. well, even on that eeewffer— independence. well, even on that peculiar calculus— independence. well, even on that peculiar calculus that it looks fwe— peculiar calculus that it looks fffe wew— peculiar calculus that it looks like now, according to polling, wef— like now, according to polling, ffref wewff— like now, according to polling, that would not— like now, according to polling, that would not be the case. the swe— that would not be the case. the swr wewff— that would not be the case. the snp would fall— that would not be the case. the snp would fall short of that wew.— snp would fall short of that wew. ewf— snp would fall short of that mark, but there _ snp would fall short of that mark, but there will be a real werff— mark, but there will be a real werff reef— mark, but there will be a real world test in— mark, but there will be a real world test in all— mark, but there will be a real world test in all likelihood as to world test in all likelihood as fe wfreffrer— world test in all likelihood as to whether this— world test in all likelihood as to whether this this severe weef— to whether this this severe weef fw— to whether this this severe knock in polling support for the swe— knock in polling support for the ewe fe— knock in polling support for the ewe fe going— knock in polling support for the ewe fe going re— knock in polling support for the snp is going to affect the real wewf— snp is going to affect the real werff ewf— snp is going to affect the real world and that— snp is going to affect the real world and that is— snp is going to affect the real world and that is in the constituency— world and that is in the constituency of one margaret rerrfer. — constituency of one margaret rerrfer. fwe— constituency of one margaret ferrier, the individual who was efeefef— ferrier, the individual who was efeefef ee— ferrier, the individual who was elected as an— ferrier, the individual who was elected as an snp mp back in fore.— elected as an snp mp back in fore. ewf— elected as an snp mp back in fore. ewf ewf— elected as an snp mp back in 2019. but but moved to be an fweeeewfewf— 2019. but but moved to be an independent joint mp after being eeefef— independent joint mp after being eeefef ewf— independent joint mp after being eeefef ewf ef— independent joint mp after being booted out of the— independent joint mp after being booted out of the party for a reeffw— booted out of the party for a really rather— booted out of the party for a really rather flagrant breach of cowo— really rather flagrant breach of covrw rwfee— really rather flagrant breach of covid rules travelling halfway

fwe— covid rules travelling halfway across the country after taking across the country after taking efeef— across the country after taking e feef wwew— across the country after taking a test when she— across the country after taking a test when she was supposed to be a test when she was supposed to fee feefeffwe— a test when she was supposed to be isolating. that— a test when she was supposed to be isolating. that could well reewff— be isolating. that could well reewff fw— be isolating. that could well reewff w e— be isolating. that could well result in a by—election sooner reffrer— result in a by—election sooner reffrer fwew— result in a by—election sooner rather than later,— result in a by—election sooner rather than later, as her now eweewefeew— rather than later, as her now suspension from _ rather than later, as her now suspension from the house for 30 fewe— suspension from the house for 30 eewe freeere— suspension from the house for 30 eewe frfeeere e— suspension from the house for 30 days triggers a recall petition . wefw— days triggers a recall petition . well, listen,— days triggers a recall petition . well, listen, thank- days triggers a recall petition . well, listen, thank you so much . that's tom harwood, our much. that's tom harwood, our deputy political editor. good to talk to you , tom. well, joining talk to you, tom. well, joining me now in studio, martin daubney and nigel nelson. i'm going to come to you, nigel. so we've got this. we now know obviously nicola sturgeon has been arrests . ed, what are your thoughts on what tom was saying there? well, i mean, the important thing is that been arrested as that she has been arrested as a suspect and she's not. that's the word the police- suspect and she's not. that's the word the police are- t etc that's the word the police are using, wef— the word the police are using, wef fwe— the word the police are using, wef we were— the word the police are using, not the word witness, which is a efewffeewf— not the word witness, which is a significant difference between the significant difference between we we. — significant difference between we we. r— significant difference between the two. i mean— significant difference between the two. i mean ,_ significant difference between the two. i mean , i think as far the two. i mean, i think as far as the two. i mean, i think as far ee eeewere— the two. i mean, i think as far as scottish politics are concerned,— as scottish politics are concerned, that obviously can't be concerned, that obviously can't fee eeef— concerned, that obviously can't fee eeef fer— concerned, that obviously can't be good for the— concerned, that obviously can't be good for the snp . as tom just be good for the snp. as tom just wewffewef— be good for the snp. as tom just wewffewef .— be good for the snp. as tom just mentioned , we've— be good for the snp. as tom just mentioned , we've got the mentioned, we've got the fw-efeeffew— mentioned, we've got the by—election, which will be eewfwe— by—election, which will be eewfwe we— by—election, which will be eewfwe we fer— by—election, which will be coming up for margaret ferrier , coming up for margaret ferrier, the coming up for margaret ferrier, we weef.— coming up for margaret ferrier,

the great, the— coming up for margaret ferrier, the great, the net— coming up for margaret ferrier, the great, the net beneficiary of the great, the net beneficiary ef eff— the great, the net beneficiary ef eff fwe— the great, the net beneficiary of all this and— the great, the net beneficiary of all this and why it's so fweewewf— of all this and why it's so important would be keir starmer, if important would be keir starmer, f we— important would be keir starmer, ff fre ew— important would be keir starmer, ff fre wefe— important would be keir starmer, if he can make inroads into snp ferrfferw— if he can make inroads into snp ferrfferw ewf— if he can make inroads into snp territory and why— if he can make inroads into snp territory and why it's so fweewewf— territory and why it's so important for- territory and why it's so important for him is at the wewef— important for him is at the moment aren't— important for him is at the moment aren't all the suggestions- moment aren't all the suggestions are , especially suggestions are, especially effer— suggestions are, especially after local— suggestions are, especially after local elections. he's feewwe— after local elections. he's feewwe ef— after local elections. he's looking ef e— after local elections. he's looking at a minority government, a hung parliament were.— government, a hung parliament were. weef.— government, a hung parliament were. ereef. ff— government, a hung parliament here. great. if he— government, a hung parliament here. great. if he can if he can get— here. great. if he can if he can eef zo— here. great. if he can if he can get 20 free— here. great. if he can if he can get 20 free fw— here. great. if he can if he can get 20 mps in scotland and have an get 20 mps in scotland and have ew ewfrww— get 20 mps in scotland and have an outright majority. �*vw�*rtnt an outright majority. well, efere— an outright majority. well, were ere— an outright majority. well, there are other— an outright majority. well, there are other parties though. i mean, there's reform. i mean, i mean, there's reform. i mean, i know whether they're i don't know whether they're heading scotland or doing heading up to scotland or doing something. other something. there are other parties potentially something. there are other parties some potentially something. there are other parties some of potentially something. there are other parties some of these ntially something. there are other parties some of these votes. the mop up some of these votes. the conservative know conservative party i don't know whether they should be whether i mean, they should be so take it so lucky. what's your take on it ? ithink so lucky. what's your take on it ? i think it comes down to the eeefee— ? i think it comes down to the eeefee .— ? i think it comes down to the eeefee , ewf— ? i think it comes down to the basics , and that— ? i think it comes down to the basics , and that is— 7’ i think it comes down to the basics , and that is without basics, and that is without frwef— basics, and that is without frwef ewf— basics, and that is without trust and without competence , trust and without competence, you— trust and without competence, wew wewe— trust and without competence, you have nothing, especially if you— you have nothing, especially if wew fwew— you have nothing, especially if wew fwew fw— you have nothing, especially if wew fwew w e— you have nothing, especially if you throw in a whiff of corruption— you throw in a whiff of corruption that applies to any fwefffwffew— corruption that applies to any institution, any— corruption that applies to any institution, any business, any ewfwe— institution, any business, any eweffe body— institution, any business, any eweffe eeew .— institution, any business, any public body , and certainly a public body, and certainly a eeffffeef— public body, and certainly a eeffrfeef weww.— public body, and certainly a political party. and if you ewef— political party. and if you ewef ew— political party. and if you exist on on— political party. and if you exist on on a— political party. and if you exist on on a single ticket eewe— exist on on a single ticket eweff— exist on on a single ticket issue such as— exist on on a single ticket issue such as independence, it eeefe— issue such as independence, it eeefe fwe— issue such as independence, it casts the whole— issue such as independence, it casts the whole thing into fewer.— casts the whole thing into doubt, especially if you rely weew— doubt, especially if you rely upon membership donations and

feweffewe— upon membership donations and donations from _ upon membership donations and donations from the public. we twef— donations from the public. we twef freere— donations from the public. we twef weewf ef— donations from the public. we just heard of actually quite an ewwefwe— just heard of actually quite an ewwefwe eewf— just heard of actually quite an amusing point from from the feffew— amusing point from from the feffew frew — amusing point from from the fellow from the _ amusing point from from the fellow from the scottish daily ffeff— fellow from the scottish daily ffeff eere— fellow from the scottish daily mail said the— fellow from the scottish daily mail said the biggest donor was frew— mail said the biggest donor was frew-wfre-e— mail said the biggest donor was from _who's dead- mail said the biggest donor was from who's dead and that from someone who's dead and that efweef— from someone who's dead and that efweef wee— from someone who's dead and that almost was funny. _ from someone who's dead and that almost was funny. it's only only the almost was funny. it's only only we eeef— almost was funny. it's only only we efeef ee— almost was funny. it's only only the dead are supporting the snp in the dead are supporting the snp fw ferwe— the dead are supporting the snp fw ferwe ef— the dead are supporting the snp in terms of funding. the dead are supporting the snp in terms of funding . the fact of in terms of funding. the fact of the in terms of funding. the fact of we were— in terms of funding. the fact of we weffer fe— in terms of funding. the fact of the matter is they— in terms of funding. the fact of the matter is they were also eefffwe — the matter is they were also eefffwe we — the matter is they were also setting the illusion of rejoining— setting the illusion of rejoining the european union, eewefwwe— rejoining the european union, something that— rejoining the european union, something that i was talking ewewf— something that i was talking ewewf-fwe— something that i was talking about.the time- something that i was talking about the time when we were something that i was talking ab brusselsle time when we were something that i was talking ab brussels and ne when we were something that i was talking ab brussels and strasbourga were something that i was talking ab brussels and strasbourg as'ere in brussels and strasbourg as were.— in brussels and strasbourg as were. r— in brussels and strasbourg as were. r wee— in brussels and strasbourg as meps. i was consistently trying to meps. i was consistently trying fe r— meps. i was consistently trying fe r wee— meps. i was consistently trying to i was waving— meps. i was consistently trying to i was waving my blue card ewewf— to i was waving my blue card eeewf wwwe— to i was waving my blue card eeewf wwwe fe— to i was waving my blue card about trying to ask an snp mep a eweeffew— about trying to ask an snp mep a eweeffew ew— about trying to ask an snp mep a eweerfew ew wew— about trying to ask an snp mep a question on how are— about trying to ask an snp mep a question on how are you going to fwwe— question on how are you going to fund independence? how are freee— fund independence? how are because unless— fund independence? how are because unless you can be self ffwewefwe— because unless you can be self ffwewefwe ewf— because unless you can be self financing and run— because unless you can be self financing and run as a country independently— financing and run as a country independently, you're nothing. no independently, you're nothing. we were— independently, you're nothing. no more barnett— independently, you're nothing. no more barnett formula , no more no more barnett formula, no more wewew— no more barnett formula, no more wewew frew— no more barnett formula, no more money from westminster. the fwefffwffew— money from westminster. the institution you _ money from westminster. the institution you despise , you institution you despise, you wewewf— institution you despise, you depend weew— institution you despise, you depend upon. it's like divorcing eeweeefw— depend upon. it's like divorcing eeweeeew wew— depend upon. it's like divorcing somebody you hate, but you still wewf— somebody you hate, but you still wewf fwe— somebody you hate, but you still want the alimony— somebody you hate, but you still want the alimony .— somebody you hate, but you still want the alimony . well, now want the alimony. well, now wew-re— want the alimony. well, now wew-re eewfwe— want the alimony. well, now they're saying no more north sea oil. they're saying no more north sea eff. weff— they're saying no more north sea eff. weff wef— they're saying no more north sea oil. well that was— they're saying no more north sea oil. well that was that was the wef— oil. well that was that was the ffref wee— oil. well that was that was the ffref fwe— oil. well that was that was the that was the that—

oil. well that was that was the that was the that was the under pinning— that was the that was the under pinning ef— that was the that was the under pinning ef wfew— that was the that was the under pinning of alex salmond's independence— pinning of alex salmond's independence finances. north sea oil independence finances. north sea eff wee— independence finances. north sea oil was basically— independence finances. north sea oil was basically the big eewfreff. — oil was basically the big bankroll. now, they say no more to bankroll. now, they say no more fe wef— bankroll. now, they say no more to that because— bankroll. now, they say no more to that because of— bankroll. now, they say no more to that because of net zero. fwew— to that because of net zero. wew-wewe— to that because of net zero. then . have the - to that because of net zero. then have the thorny. but then we have the thorny. but feefweffw— then we have the thorny. but factually correct _ then we have the thorny. but factually correct topic of every efwefe — factually correct topic of every single member— factually correct topic of every single member state. 27 has to eeerewe— single member state. 27 has to eeerewe fwew— single member state. 27 has to eeerewe wew .— single member state. 27 has to approve them . well, the belgians approve them. well, the belgians wew-f— approve them. well, the belgians wew-f freee— approve them. well, the belgians won't because they— approve them. well, the belgians won't because they have their rfewfefr— won't because they have their own flemish independence movement . the own flemish independence movement. the spaniards own flemish independence movement . the spaniards won't movement. the spaniards won't freee— movement. the spaniards won't eeee fwew— movement. the spaniards won't because they have— movement. the spaniards won't because they have the catalan fwfeeewfewee— because they have the catalan independence_ it'si independence movement. it's unicorn politics.— independence movement. it's unicorn politics. what i'm wwwe— unicorn politics. what i'm wwwe fe— unicorn politics. what i'm wwwe re eew— unicorn politics. what i'm trying to say .— unicorn politics. what i'm trying to say , they were selling trying to say, they were selling the trying to say, they were selling we fffwefew— trying to say, they were selling the illusion of— trying to say, they were selling the illusion of rejoin . they the illusion of rejoin. they eew-f— the illusion of rejoin. they eewf-ff.— the illusion of rejoin. they can't-it. they- the illusion of rejoin. they can't it. they won't get can't afford it. they won't get wefew— can't afford it. they won't get wefew-ff.— can't afford it. they won't get voted - it. and _ can't afford it. they won't get voted .it. and if- can't afford it. they won't get voted it. and if they did , voted into it. and if they did, wew-f— voted into it. and if they did, fwewe-fwe— voted into it. and if they did, they'd the money from they'd lose the money from westminster— they'd lose the money from- westminster—would westminster anyway, which would eewfrwef— westminster anyway, which would bankrupt—sturgeon. bankrupt scotland. so sturgeon was bankrupt scotland. so sturgeon efwewe— bankrupt scotland. so sturgeon was always selling an illusion , was always selling an illusion, but was always selling an illusion, ewf ew— was always selling an illusion, ewf were— was always selling an illusion, but now we're seeing through it. reeefe— but now we're seeing through it. reeefe wfew— but now we're seeing through it. reeefe wfewf eew— but now we're seeing through it. people might say that about eewf.— people might say that about brexit, though. _ people might say that about brexit, though. t people might say that about brexit, though. i mean, people would say that probably about brexit, almost a brexit, but it's almost a contradiction terms they contradiction in terms that they wanted unhappy that we left the they're unhappy that we left the eu. the majority in eu. apparently the majority in scotland unhappy with that, eu. apparently the majority in scotlanrthey unhappy with that, eu. apparently the majority in scotlanrthey themselves vith that, eu. apparently the majority in scotlanrthey themselves want�*iat, eu. apparently the majority in scotlanrthey themselves want to , but yet they themselves want to join the yet they want join the eu. yet they want independence. it's kind independence. so it's kind of like of a contradiction. like a bit of a contradiction. it not independence. it it was not independence. it was a dislike of

a part logical dislike of england, really. let's be honest . fwew— england, really. let's be honest . ffrew wewff— england, really. let's be honest . they would they— g: ”rinsing let's be honest . they would they would be fwfeeewfewf— . they would they would be independent for— . they would they would be independent for five minutes and fwew— independent for five minutes and teen rew— independent for five minutes and then join brussels— independent for five minutes and then join brussels as a bureaucratic- then join brussels as a bureaucratic fiefdom. rsfgtrtnt; bureaucratic fiefdom. i agree. ewf— bureaucratic fiefdom. i agree. ewf ewe— bureaucratic fiefdom. i agree. but some would say that actually the reality there is that they just wanted to be a sovereign nafion just wanted to be a sovereign nation of their own and that's why they did it. but then as you say, it's a bit of a dichotomy that want the that they then want to join the eu . i wonder what that's what eu. i wonder what that's what is. that was another way of feewwe— is. that was another way of feewwe ef— is. that was another way of looking at it. _ that was another way of looking at it. �*vw�*tsn . looking at it. okay. what's your way of where you turn it around? the whole point was that seeffewf— the whole point was that scotland happy scotland was quite happy about weweerewe— scotland was quite happy about membership-eu- scotland was quite happy about membership-eu .- scotland was quite happy about membership eu . so the membership of the eu. so the wee— membership of the eu. so the ffee wef— membership of the eu. so the ffee ffref ew— membership of the eu. so the idea that an independent nation wewff— idea that an independent nation wewff ee— idea that an independent nation would be would— idea that an independent nation would be would be completely eeweefew— would be would be completely eewerefew er— would be would be completely sovereign or whatever they weren't. that— sovereign or whatever they weren't. that wasn't a problem for weren't. that wasn't a problem fer eeeffewf — weren't. that wasn't a problem for scotland .— weren't. that wasn't a problem for scotland . it— weren't. that wasn't a problem for scotland . it would still for scotland. it would still weer—frewi mean independence from westminster— mean independence from westminster ,_ mean independence from westminster , but they voted westminster, but they voted overwhelmingly to remain in the eu. awf— overwhelmingly to remain in the eu. awe wwer— overwhelmingly to remain in the eu. and what really upset them fwe— eu. and what really upset them we feef— eu. and what really upset them was the fact that— eu. and what really upset them was the fact that their votes eeefeeffw— was the fact that their votes basically didn't— was the fact that their votes basically didn't count on the eeefe— basically didn't count on the eeefe wef— basically didn't count on the basis that the _ basically didn't count on the basis that the overall uk vote feeffef— basis that the overall uk vote feeffef fe — basis that the overall uk vote feeffef fe 90— basis that the overall uk vote decided to go for— basis that the overall uk vote decided to go for brexit. but were— decided to go for brexit. but were ere— decided to go for brexit. but were perf— decided to go for brexit. but there are part of— decided to go for brexit. but there are part of the uk indeed.

and so there was they were stuck wfffr — and so there was they were stuck wfffr wef- — and so there was they were stuck wfffr wef- ewf— and so there was they were stuck with that. but but— and so there was they were stuck with that. but but their erewwewf— with that. but but their argument was and why i think fwew— argument was and why i think ffrew wewe— argument was and why i think wew wewe e— argument was and why i think wew wewe e wew— argument was and why i think they have a very good argument for they have a very good argument ferleeeewf— they have a very good argument for second referendum is for a second referendum is freee— for a second referendum is because-have- for a second referendum is because have changed because things have changed efwee— because things have changed zorfr. — because things have changed since 2014. they— because things have changed since 2014. they want to stay in the since 2014. they want to stay in we ew— since 2014. they want to stay in we re freere— since 2014. they want to stay in the eu. there was— since 2014. they want to stay in the eu. there was no question of feewfwe— the eu. there was no question of feewfwe fwe— the eu. there was no question of leaving the-back— the eu. there was no question of leaving the-back in- the eu. there was no question of leaving the back in 2014 when leaving the eu back in 2014 when fwew— leaving the eu back in 2014 when ffrew fe— leaving the eu back in 2014 when wew ee feeewe— leaving the eu back in 2014 when they do deserve a— leaving the eu back in 2014 when they do deserve a vote on weewer— they do deserve a vote on whether they— they do deserve a vote on whether they want to actually weewer— whether they want to actually wfreffrer fwew— whether they want to actually whether they want to actually whether they want to actually whether they want to rejoin as an independent— whether they want to rejoin as an independent country. i ewreeee— an independent country. i ewreeee efe— an independent country. i suppose the change- an independent country. i suppose the change was a material change. some could say that a material change, that that is a material change, but say that it's but others would say that it's not you're still part of not really you're still part of the kingdom, what the united kingdom, that is what you when you're you signed up for when you're part kingdom. if part of the united kingdom. if there are of there is a vote, you are part of that vote. well, that's not what the that vote. well, that's not what free—we— that vote. well, that's not what fre—welfwe - the snp signed up for the snp. i fwe— the snp signed up for the snp. i we swe— the snp signed up for the snp. i mean, the snp obviously always exfefef— mean, the snp obviously always exfefef fe— mean, the snp obviously always exfefef fe ee— mean, the snp obviously always existed to be independent, but seeffewf— existed to be independent, but scotland _votersl scotland and scottish voters ewwee— scotland and scottish voters efeweflfe— scotland and scottish voters efeweflfe ee— scotland and scottish voters signed to be part of the uk, signed up to be part of the uk, wwew— signed up to be part of the uk, wwew wee— signed up to be part of the uk, wwew eew— signed up to be part of the uk, which was part of— signed up to be part of the uk, which was part of the eu and were— which was part of the eu and were fwe— which was part of the eu and that's the bit— which was part of the eu and that's the bit they lost. but why— that's the bit they lost. but why erewf— that's the bit they lost. but why aren't they— that's the bit they lost. but why aren't they part of uk why aren't they part of the uk refere— why aren't they part of the uk before they're _ why aren't they part of the uk before they're being part of the ewe— before they're being part of the fwewee.— before they're being part of the fwewee-were. - before they're being part of the eu?iyes,-were. well,- eu? yes, they were. well, exactly. so. scotland was exactly. so. so scotland was part united kingdom part of the united kingdom before and a democratic vote before and had a democratic vote and wanted and said they wanted to stay, but of the uk but they were part of the uk before joined the which but they were part of the uk before thatfined the which but they were part of the uk before that that the which but they were part of the uk

before that that that which but they were part of the uk before that that that cameiich but they were part of the uk before that that that came within means that that that came within the time they were within us and the time they were within us and the snp don't give a flying fig about democratic votes . they about democratic votes. they lost the independence- lost the independence referendum.- lost the independence referendum. they wanted another ewe—ef— referendum. they wanted another ewe—er frwef.- referendum. they wanted another one,_at that. they- one, another go at that. they feef. — one, another go at that. they feef. fwwee— one, another go at that. they lost. things changed. they lost. things have changed. they wewf— lost. things have changed. they want-one, another- lost. things have changed. they want one, another at want another one, another go at frwef.— want another one, another go at frwef-fwwe— want another one, another go at that. _funny? the- want another one, another go at that. funny? the same that. isn't it funny? the same frwef— that. isn't it funny? the same fweee wwwze— that. isn't it funny? the same thing? humza yousaf won the feeferewe— thing? humza yousaf won the feeferewe-ew- thing? humza yousaf won the leadership - by a - thing? humza yousaf won the leadership by a margin of leadership debate by a margin of effe— leadership debate by a margin of efre fe— leadership debate by a margin of efre fe fre. — leadership debate by a margin of efre fe we r— leadership debate by a margin of 52% to 48. i know— leadership debate by a margin of 52% to 48. i know it— leadership debate by a margin of 52% to 48. t rt:rt rt. 52% to 48. i know it was ironic , and that was the only one. it didn't another. go on. didn't want another. go on. feet. — didn't want another. go on. feet. _refwf- didn't want another. go on. yeah._point is,| didn't want another. go on. - yeah._point is, when yeah. so? so the point is, when fwew— yeah. so? so the point is, when wew-wewf— yeah. so? so the point is, when they-want another. they lose, they want another reff— they lose, they want another eff—awf- they lose, they want another eff—awe fw- they lose, they want another. roll—and i'm afraid roll of the dice. and i'm afraid freer-e— roll of the dice. and i'm afraid freer-e wef— roll of the dice. and i'm afraid that's not how— roll of the dice. and i'm afraid that's not how democracy works. weff— that's not how democracy works. well—political. well let's let's go to political commentator— well let's let's go to political commentator who commentator benedict spence, who rewe— commentator benedict spence, who tefwe we— commentator benedict spence, who refwe we — commentator benedict spence, who joins me now. 3 rt.. joins me now. benedict, thank you very much for joining me. joins me now. benedict, thank you very much forjoining me. so this this news, i ask everyone this this news, i ask everyone this first question as to whether it comes as a surprise to them. to me, to be honest, nicola sturgeon being arrested was me. was a slight surprise to me. but was a slight surprise to me. but was a slight surprise to me. but was a surprise you at all was it a surprise to you at all at the timing was, but the fact that there has been an ongoing investigation for the length of time that there is suggested that at some point and that there were questions sort of hanging over the senior leadership snp suggested hanging over the senior leadtheyp snp suggested hanging over the senior leadtheyp want’ suggested

hanging over the senior leadtheyp want a;uggested hanging over the senior leadtheyp want a word sted hanging over the senior leadtheyp want a word with that they would want a word with nicola sturgeon in some capacity at point. so i'm perhaps at some point. so i'm perhaps not at some point. so i'm perhaps wef ewffrefw— at some point. so i'm perhaps not entirely surprised- so i'm perhaps not entirely surprised that it free— not entirely surprised that it free ewe— not entirely surprised that it free fe— not entirely surprised that it has come to this. i think it's eeew— has come to this. i think it's been leading— has come to this. i think it's been leading in— has come to this. i think it's been leading in a direction of ewf— been leading in a direction of more and more senior members of the more and more senior members of we swe— more and more senior members of we swr ferwe— more and more senior members of the snp being sucked into this investigation. _ the snp being sucked into this investigation. g . investigation. the longer it goes of course, the goes on. well, of course, the spokesperson said that these issues subject to a live issues are subject to a live police investigation and that the been cooperating the snp have been cooperating fully with investigation fully with the investigation and will to do so. will continue to do so. however, it's not appropriate will continue to do so. - however, it's not appropriate to www— however, it's not appropriate to fwffw—effreee- however, it's not appropriate toj fully—address any fully or to publicly address any wwfe— fully or to publicly address any issues while investigation issues while that investigation is ongoing. and we will efwfewefw— is ongoing. and we will. obviously _too, obviously honour that too, freee— obviously honour that too, because _want. obviously honour that too, because want to, obviously honour that too,- because _want to, you because we don't want to, you wew.— because we don't want to, you wew-eef— because we don't want to, you know, get involved in that know, get get involved in that wef— know, get get involved in that ffref effe— know, get get involved in that ffref efee ef— know, get get involved in that that side of things. but but if we feet— that side of things. but but if we feeflff— that side of things. but but if we look-it now,— that side of things. but but if we look it now, there's a lot we look at it now, there's a lot of we look at it now, there's a lot ef eeeefe— we look at it now, there's a lot ef eeeefe wwe— we look at it now, there's a lot of people who may well benefit ewfre— of people who may well benefit ewfre-few — of people who may well benefit quite-from this- of people who may well benefit quite from this one, of quite nicely from this one, of course,-labour- course, being the labour party, wwe— course, being the labour party, wwe-wewe— course, being the labour party, wwe-wewe free- course, being the labour party,| who-have had-rely course, being the labour party,- who-have had-rely on who may well have had to rely on some _coalition_ who may well have had to rely on some _coalition .the. some sort of coalition with the swe— some sort of coalition with the snleake— some sort of coalition with the snp-make sure— some sort of coalition with the snp make sure they a snp to make sure they had a wererffw— snp to make sure they had a wererfrwlffre— snp to make sure they had a majority the house of majority in the house of parliament. _ majority in the house of parliament. think parliament. but now do you think wew-re— parliament. but now do you think wew-re going— parliament. but now do you think wew-re eewe-fwe- parliament. but now do you think they're going the main they're going to be the main beneficiaries— they're going to be the main beneficiaries ?_ they're going to be the main beneficiaries ? i— they're going to be the main beneficiaries ? i mean, any of beneficiaries? i mean, any of wet— beneficiaries? i mean, any of their policies— beneficiaries? i mean, any of their policies with to their policies with regard to weww—weft- their policies with regard to. north _well,.and north sea gas as well, oil and eeef — north sea gas as well, oil and eeef r— north sea gas as well, oil and gas? i-listening- north sea gas as well, oil and gas? i-listening to- north sea gas as well, oil and gas? i-listening to the. gas? i was listening to the conversation between nigel and martin just then and i thought it interesting martin

it was interesting how martin described this sort of fantasy politic that was being offered by the snp where you could have everything and you weren't going to pay for it nasty to have to pay for it with nasty oil and gas, oil and north sea oil and gas, which is a pollutant, and we'll all be able to rejoin the european be european union. it'll all be fantastic. only really fantastic. this has only really cropped even , you cropped up. it wasn't even, you know, it was something know, sort of it was something that before brexit that cropped up before brexit happened, crept up in the happened, but it crept up in the aftermath new labour's aftermath of new labour's eventual demise was when you saw the sort of the rise of the snp. and is the fact that and this is the fact that actually i don't really think scottish nationalism an scottish nationalism as an independent movement carries as much an identity. much weight as an identity. scotland has a very strong identity the way that identity in the same way that wales does, wales and northern ireland does, but see the same but you don't quite see the same sort urge independence , sort of urge for independence, say, in wales. that's say, in wales. and that's because i think actually welsh labour relatively has been quite strong. is thing, i strong. this is the thing, i think operates on think scotland operates on a much sort national basis much more sort of national basis when labour party when it comes to labour party politics is an politics and when there is an absence of a strong labour party . that's when the snp was able to fill void essentially as to fill the void essentially as a anti—tourism. a form of anti—tourism. i wouldn't even say anti—english ism. i don't think there's a lot

of for example, of animosity, for example, between scotland and parts of of animosity, for example, betinorth scotland and parts of of animosity, for example, betinorth of tland and parts of of animosity, for example, betinorth of england.| parts of of animosity, for example, betinorth of england. ioarts of of animosity, for example, betinorth of england. i think)f the north of england. i think it's of it's very much sort of a cultural toryism that parts of scotland those. for a scotland oppose those. for a very long time there has been a dearth of influence dearth of any kind of influence or authority in the labour party in uk . we can at great in the uk. we can talk at great length jeremy corbyn length about how jeremy corbyn won the argument, actually won the argument, but actually they've been serious they've not really been serious challengers keir starmer through patience rather than of any patience rather than sort of any sort maverick insight through sort of maverick insight through patience and ability has been able to rebuild the labour coalition. not quite there coalition. it's not quite there yet, but is sort of slowly yet, but he is sort of slowly growing in impetus. now, of course, this hasn't happened. what's with nicola what's happened with nicola sturgeon today is not as a result of labour party policy, but as i say , by being patient, but as i say, by being patient, by silly things, by by not saying silly things, by trying appeal very broadly , trying to appeal very broadly, he has built up the labour party's now they party's credibility and now they i very much ready to i think are very much ready to sweep vacuum. that's sweep into the vacuum. that's been created this. he's got been created by this. he's got lucky lucky by saying lucky. he's got lucky by saying wew— lucky. he's got lucky by saying wew-ef— lucky. he's got lucky by saying wew-er eff. — lucky. he's got lucky by saying wew-er eff. ewf— lucky. he's got lucky by saying very-at all. but one- mtg he's got lucky by saying very at all. but one of very little at all. but one of fwe— very little at all. but one of we fwwee— very little at all. but one of the things that— very little at all. but one of the things that he say was the things that he did say was wef— the things that he did say was frwef-eewfwe— the things that he did say was that-banninglany- that the banning of any new weww— that the banning of any new weww-ewf— that the banning of any new north-and-and. that the banning of any new. north-and-and that north sea oil and gas and that may— north sea oil and gas and that wew-ee— north sea oil and gas and that wew-fee e— north sea oil and gas and that may be a problem for may prove to be a problem for ww— may prove to be a problem for few fw— may prove to be a problem for

him in scotland— may prove to be a problem for him in scotland because that wfff— him in scotland because that wfff ee— him in scotland because that wfff fee ew— him in scotland because that will be an issue.— him in scotland because that will be an issue. and that is a big— will be an issue. and that is a big eewew— will be an issue. and that is a big eeffew wef— will be an issue. and that is a big policy that he's announced. wew-we— they've already backtracked on wet— they've already backtracked on freer-ereew— they've already backtracked on their green policies, but their green green policies, but fwe— their green green policies, but we ee— their green green policies, but we fe— their green green policies, but this one is his— their green green policies, but this one is his latest. do you wfww— this one is his latest. do you ferwr-fwe— this one is his latest. do you think-this might- this one is his latest. do you think this might have think that this might have an fweee— think that this might have an fweeef f — think that this might have an fweeef f r— think that this might have an impact? i think— think that this might have an impact? i think if- think that this might have an impact? �*" t think that this might have an impact? �*" . impact? i think if keir starmer is sensible, he will end up rowing back on that policy once he's office. don't think he's in office. i don't think you square given you can actually square given that we actually do need to continue having fossil fuels and we're currently importing a lot of it from the gulf. i don't think you can necessarily square saying, well, we're to saying, oh, well, we're going to stop licences. by stop new licences. oh, but by the we're to do the way, we're going to do business with regimes that actually a lot of our voters don't necessarily like. i think that this is something to appeal to at this to voters who may feel at this moment that the labour party has sowed the next election moment that the labour party has sow

for the fact that the snp are imploding quite so badly. but if keir starmer is sensible, i think row on that think he will row back on that a little bit once he's in office. row back on it if he's another ef— row back on it if he's another ef we— row back on it if he's another one of his so—called policies. wewf— one of his so—called policies. wewf-.— one of his so—called policies. thank-. benedict- one of his so—called policies. thank . benedict that's thank you. benedict that's eeweffef—el benedict spence. he's a eeffffeef— benedict spence. he's a political commentator. thank you benedict spence. he's a poimuch commentator. thank you benedict spence. he's a poimuch .ommentator. thank you benedict spence. he's a poimuch . if|mentator. thank you benedict spence. he's a poimuch . if you're tor. thank you benedict spence. he's a poimuch . if you're justthank you benedict spence. he's a poimuch . if you're just joining ou so much. if you're just joining me, welcome on— so much. if you're just joining me, welcome on board. 48 me, welcome on board. it's 48 wfwwfee— me, welcome on board. it's 48 minutes after— me, welcome on board. it's 48 minutes after 3:00. joining me liver— minutes after 3:00. joining me wwe—efee- minutes after 3:00. joining me. live,_also nigel live, martin daubney. also nigel wefew.— live, martin daubney. also nigel wefeew. weww— live, martin daubney. also nigel nelson. martin i— live, martin daubney. also nigel nelson. martin i think benedict wefe— nelson. martin i think benedict weee ew— nelson. martin i think benedict made an excellent point there. aefweffw— made an excellent point there. actually, about— made an excellent point there. actually, about anti _ made an excellent point there. actually, about anti toryism. i think it was actually incredibly clever politics. s what what the snp did about about demonising westmin foster it was always a sense of them and us, but there was of course this huge disconnect because the dependent on the money you know , the on the money you know, the barnett formula as i mentioned you know disproportion it gives much money to scotland. much more money to scotland. northern ireland wales, but northern ireland and wales, but ostensibly because it's ostensibly scotland because it's relative poverty. as relative levels of poverty. as a consequence, they have free prescriptions, free university education, you know , things that education, you know, things that we don't get this side of the border, paid for by westminster . so ostensibly or certainly

underpinned huge by it. so there's this massive disconnect between hating something and yet having to depend upon it. well, it's interesting. you also- tg 33 -trrtrt . well, it's interesting. you also made a it's interesting. you also made e eewf— it's interesting. you also made e eewf wef— it's interesting. you also made e eewf ffref ff— it's interesting. you also made a point that it wasn't so anti wefewe.— a point that it wasn't so anti englandr ff— a point that it wasn't so anti england, it was— a point that it wasn't so anti england, it was more anti tory. i england, it was more anti tory. rfwwf— england, it was more anti tory. rfwwf frwef-e— england, it was more anti tory. i think that's probably right. i think that's probably right. r weew— i think that's probably right. r fre— i think that's probably right. i mean, the certainly- i think that's probably right. i mean, the certainly you see that you're in westminster that when you're in westminster that when you're in westminster that as a parliamentary that the snp as a parliamentary party in london spend all their time really going for the tories. this is actually they really do dislike the tories and everything they stand for. but then the snp is a left wing party, it's a socialist party. so in a sense that that's what you would expect . but it was you would expect. but it was interesting to mention things like north sea oil and where kyiv starmer is. i mean, i think that his rowing back on the green agenda that now there is some confusion about the 28 billion he promised to put into it. it looks like that will be delayed and his whole growth policy was made around that. i think he must get that sorted out. the north sea oil is really important obviously important because obviously scotland relies on the profits from it. well, listen, joining

scotland relies on the profits from it. isell, listen, joining scotland relies on the profits from it. is michelle joining scotland relies on the profits from it. is michelle ballantyne . me now is michelle ballantyne. she's former leader of reform she's a former leader of reform uk she's a former leader of reform ffw fw— she's a former leader of reform uk in scotland.— she's a former leader of reform uk in scotland. now michelle, fwe— uk in scotland. now michelle, we re— uk in scotland. now michelle, fwe fe ew— uk in scotland. now michelle, this is an interesting development . it people are development. it people are eewfwe— development. it people are eewfwe wef— development. it people are saying that they kind of eweeerew— saying that they kind of expected the expected it. the timing is the fwwe— expected it. the timing is the fwwe wef— expected it. the timing is the thing that they— expected it. the timing is the thing that they are sort of effewffw— thing that they are sort of slightly surprised by. why was it slightly surprised by. why was ff efwewe— slightly surprised by. why was ff efwewe ew— slightly surprised by. why was it always on the— slightly surprised by. why was it always on the cards in your wfww— it always on the cards in your wfwff awf— it always on the cards in your mind? and where— it always on the cards in your mind? and where do you think wef— mind? and where do you think ffref referw — mind? and where do you think that reform could— mind? and where do you think that reform could potentially efewe— that reform could potentially efewe ee— that reform could potentially stand aslresult_ that reform could potentially stand as result of this as stand as a result of this as weff— stand as a result of this as weff f— stand as a result of this as weff f r— stand as a result of this as well? i think— stand as a result of this as well? i think there was an inevitability— well? i think there was an inevitability after the colin eeewe— inevitability after the colin beattie and _ inevitability after the colin beattie and peter murrell were erreefef— beattie and peter murrell were erreefef ee— beattie and peter murrell were arrested as the— beattie and peter murrell were arrested as the third signatory to arrested as the third signatory fe fwe— arrested as the third signatory to the accounts— arrested as the third signatory to the accounts . _ arrested as the third signatory to the accounts . trttrt; rst to the accounts. there was an inevitability that nicola sturgeon would be called to account as well . so i don't account as well. so i don't think it comes as a surprise that i think the timing really being a sunday more than anything else , i think most of anything else, i think most of us have been waiting for this announcement, it to announcement, expecting it to come. but the real the real question will be, will any of this now go further? will it become charges rather than just arrests? but in terms of the future, i think what we have now is some really big questions

about who knew what. and i think that will be the bit that might come back to haunt the current government. the snp humza yousaf was of course the morals candidate . he was the person candidate. he was the person they backed . they wanted in they backed. they wanted in power after nicola sturgeon's exit he has claimed consider numerous times that , you know, numerous times that, you know, he he was very close to nicola sturgeon , that he was you know , sturgeon, that he was you know, sort of brought into being in terms of his career by the morals . and therefore there is morals. and therefore there is a big question now for him to answer about what did he know, you know, was he oblivious to all the questions that are being asked or was he indeed aware of them ? and therefore, does he them? and therefore, does he have questions to answer to? and do reform have a decent support base in scotland at all? well, i think where reform are looking is to mop up those more centre right people who are very disillusioned at the moment with

the conservative lives. they feel very let down. they don't feel very let down. they don't feel that they have a political home anymore . and i think, yes, home anymore. and i think, yes, reform will have an opportunity to appeal to people who feel politically homeless . and right politically homeless. and right now there is a lot of people feeling that way . and now there is a lot of people feeling that way. and in terms of feeling that way. and in terms ef wwwze— feeling that way. and in terms of humza yousaf— feeling that way. and in terms of humza yousaf ,_ feeling that way. and in terms of humza yousaf , who- ”rtrtn tg and in terms of humza yousaf , who you alluded of humza yousaf, who you alluded to of humza yousaf, who you alluded fe eewer— of humza yousaf, who you alluded fe eerffer. fe— of humza yousaf, who you alluded to earlier, do you— of humza yousaf, who you alluded to earlier, do you think he's going— to earlier, do you think he's going fe— to earlier, do you think he's going re wefe— to earlier, do you think he's going to make some sort of eweeere— going to make some sort of eeeeefr er— going to make some sort of speech or something to calm a lot speech or something to calm a fef ef— speech or something to calm a fef ef eeeefe— speech or something to calm a fef ef eeeefe .— speech or something to calm a fef ef eeeefe . e— speech or something to calm a lot of people , a lot snp lot of people, a lot of snp eweeewere— lot of people, a lot of snp supporters right now? because i efweef— supporters right now? because i efweef feef— supporters right now? because i almost feel like— supporters right now? because i almost feel like he needs to eew— almost feel like he needs to eew-wefe— almost feel like he needs to sort-make some- almost feel like he needs to sort make some of sort of make some form of efefewewf— sort of make some form of statement or— sort of make some form of statement or some sort of public effreee—feef- statement or some sort of public address—feel have| address so people can feel have eewe—fwe- address so people can feel have eewe—free eerfwl address so people can feel have eewe—free eerfw. ri some confidence in the party. i wfww— some confidence in the party. i fwwf wwwze— some confidence in the party. i think humza yousaf will go down the think humza yousaf will go down we reef— think humza yousaf will go down fre reef ef— think humza yousaf will go down the road of appealing to what he will the road of appealing to what he wfff eeff— the road of appealing to what he wfff eeff fre— the road of appealing to what he will call the wider— the road of appealing to what he will call the wider yes movement. - will call the wider yes movement. ' 3 will call the wider yes movement. ' tr3 will call the wider yes movement. tr3 n will call the wider yes- movement. and he will he will make comments like she will cooperate. she will tell them, you know, she will do what she needs to do. he will still he won't in any way diminish her and his standing. he will try to back her without implicating himself . and but i think he will

himself. and but i think he will focus on this concept that that actually the snp is bigger than one person, that it's all about achieving independence in scotland. he's already talking about making the general election a campaign for independence. so i think he will try to detract from what's going on by using that commentary and appealing to those people. he considers independence supporters as as as a former party leader yourself , would you party leader yourself, would you say that's the right tack? i mean, what would you . r3 t“ i mean, what would you do if say that's the right tack? i- mean, what would you do if you fw we— mean, what would you do if you were in his position— mean, what would you do if you were in his position in now ? were in his position in now? war,— were in his position in now? weff. ff— were in his position in now? weff. r-f rere— were in his position in now? well, i'd hope to— were in his position in now? well, i'd hope to god- were in his position in now? well, i'd hope to god i'd- were in his position in now? well, i'd hope to god i'd never be in a position that he's in. but, you know, there's usually a price to be paid for getting behind the wrong people . but i behind the wrong people. but i think, yes , i mean, he doesn't think, yes, i mean, he doesn't have a lot of choice at this point. i mean , the snp's record point. i mean, the snp's record in government is very poor and they have numerous failures on their list and they will probably be doing everything they can. and he is a leader

will have no choice but to go to the one thing that he thinks people rally behind . however, people rally behind. however, i think that is losing its gloss as well as people are starting to realise that independence economically , he just doesn't economically, he just doesn't add up . all the reports that the add up. all the reports that the snp themselves have commissioned and brought forward have actually said the same thing. so he's going to have a very difficult to job convince people that independence , other than that independence, other than being an emotionally appealing idea, is actually something you're going to put across in the box for and potentially put scotland in really a financial difficult dodi. well, michelle, wewf— difficult dodi. well, michelle, wewf wew— difficult dodi. well, michelle, wewf wew very— difficult dodi. well, michelle, thank you very much- difficult dodi. well, michelle, thank you very much .- r3 rt thrr3 well, michelle, thank you very much . that's thank you very much. that's ffefeffe— thank you very much. that's michelle ballantyne. she's the fewer— michelle ballantyne. she's the former leader— michelle ballantyne. she's the former leader of— michelle ballantyne. she's the former leader of reform uk in seeffewf— former leader of reform uk in eeeffewf .— former leader of reform uk in scotland . well,— former leader of reform uk in scotland . well, joining me live scotland. well, joining me live . weww— scotland. well, joining me live now , martin daubney and also now, martin daubney and also wffef— now, martin daubney and also wfeef wefeew— now, martin daubney and also wfeef wefeew .— now, martin daubney and also nigel nelson . martin, your your nigel nelson. martin, your your ffewfffe— nigel nelson. martin, your your ffewfffe ew— nigel nelson. martin, your your thoughts on where do they go frew — thoughts on where do they go frew ew— thoughts on where do they go from now from _ thoughts on where do they go from now from here? it's a i wewf— from now from here? it's a i wewf fe— from now from here? it's a i wewf fe feff— from now from here? it's a i want to talk about the north sea oil want to talk about the north sea eff fwwe.— want to talk about the north sea oil thing, because— want to talk about the north sea oil thing, because i— want to talk about the north sea oil thing, because i think it's a oil thing, because i think it's e reeffw— oil thing, because i think it's a really, really— oil thing, because i think it's a really, really important thing as a really, really important thing ee f— a really, really important thing ee r eff.— a really, really important thing as i said, alex— a really, really important thing as i said, alex salmond, you

fwew— as i said, alex salmond, you knew .— as i said, alex salmond, you knew . wefe— as i said, alex salmond, you know , made a— as i said, alex salmond, you know , made a huge kind of drum know, made a huge kind of drum roll know, made a huge kind of drum reff ef— know, made a huge kind of drum reff ef-ffef— know, made a huge kind of drum roll of that scotland roll of the fact that scotland eewff — roll of the fact that scotland could financially could be financially self—sufficient because its self—sufficient because of its wewf— self—sufficient because of its wewf see— self—sufficient because of its north sea oil. _ self—sufficient because of its north sea oil. t gtnr3 north sea oil. the black gold. now the future is beneath our feet and instead we now have an entire political movement, not only of the snp but also the labour party and the tories. they're all greta thunberg and disguise . what's happened is disguise. what's happened is we've turned off the tap and scotland, the united kingdom is just committing the most extra arrogant and grotesque act of economic self—harm by being tied to net zero zealotry. and the rest of the world is laughing at us. norway makes £9 billion a year from north sea oil 300 miles to the north of aberdeen , miles to the north of aberdeen, £0.2 billion in britain, because we've sold it all off to foreign companies who are sucking the profit overseas . and meanwhile profit overseas. and meanwhile people onshore haven't got the jobs, they haven't got energy sovereignty. we rely on imports from from the middle east. we import coal from south africa , import coal from south africa, from south america, from austria

to selling coal to newcastle . to selling coal to newcastle. used to be a cliche. now we're doing it because we've lost our mind over net zero. we could be energy sovereign and wealthy . we energy sovereign and wealthy. we could be a prosperous nation again. if only we weren't tied to this green madness. but but i mean, you mentioned norway, but norway are they have a lot of what's that word? they're self—sufficient _ what's that word? they're self—sufficient in- 3“ they're self—sufficient in their own ewerfw. — self—sufficient in their own ewerfw. se — self—sufficient in their own ewerfw. se fwew— self—sufficient in their own energy. so they make their own freew— energy. so they make their own ereew fwefe— energy. so they make their own green fwefe ee— energy. so they make their own green fuels as well. so they are feffe— green fuels as well. so they are fewer wfef— green fuels as well. so they are fewer wfef we— green fuels as well. so they are doing what we should already fewe— doing what we should already wewe-fwew- doing what we should already have _they are- doing what we should already have they are buying have and then they are buying wfef— have and then they are buying weef-weef— have and then they are buying what-need and- have and then they are buying what need and they have what they need and they have feerferwfe. — what they need and they have geothermic. trtyr ”rt; 3 geothermic. they're blessed with that. they've own that. they've got their own reweweffe — that. they've got their own renewable _they- that. they've got their own renewable _they have that. they've got their own re nationalised .they have they've got their own re nationalised energy ey have they've got their own renationalised energy sector have they've got their own renationalised energy sector and; a nationalised energy sector and likew— a nationalised energy sector and fffe. few.— a nationalised energy sector and fffe. feef. f— a nationalised energy sector and like, look, i come— a nationalised energy sector and like, look, i come from the old feffffeef— like, look, i come from the old political left. _ like, look, i come from the old political left. i— like, look, i come from the old political left. tf: �*" like, look, i come from the old political left. �*" political left. i think if the labour party were clever, they would say, let's unlock this, let's unlock this vast fortune and let's nationalise it. and why wouldn't people want that? i would have thought that that wewff— i would have thought that that wewff fe— i would have thought that that wewff be r— i would have thought that that would be i mean,— i would have thought that that would be i mean, personally, i fffwf— would be i mean, personally, i think nationalisation would be the think nationalisation would be fre-ff— think nationalisation would be fre-ff wfew- think nationalisation would be the it when there's the way to do it when there's reeffw— the way to do it when there's really competition in terms really no competition in terms of really no competition in terms ef—exewffe- really no competition in terms ef—exewffe i really no competition in terms. ef—exewefe . wew of energy. so, for example, you eew-f— of energy. so, for example, you can't _electricity. can't choose your electricity frewffer. — can't choose your electricity provider, maybe _ can't choose your electricity provider, maybe the supplier you

can— provider, maybe the supplier you eew-eefwef— provider, maybe the supplier you can,-actual-whol can, but the actual person who eefweffw— actually gives you the electricity _ actually gives you the electricity through the eweewer— electricity through the supplier, you can't really efeeee— supplier, you can't really efeeee-se- supplier, you can't really- choose-so-where choose that. so things where were-e— choose that. so things where. ffere-e—wefee choose that. so things where. the sense—makes choose that. so things where. the sense to_makes choose that. so things where the sense to have makes choose that. so things where thesense to have it makes choose that. so things where thesense to have it privatised.es no sense to have it privatised. it no sense to have it privatised. ff efewff— no sense to have it privatised. ff efewff fe— no sense to have it privatised. it should be, especially if it's a it should be, especially if it's e wffef— it should be, especially if it's e wffef erewe — it should be, especially if it's a vital organ. so— it should be, especially if it's a vital organ. so like water, efeefrfeffw— a vital organ. so like water, electricity, gas,— a vital organ. so like water, electricity, gas, those things efewff — electricity, gas, those things efewff fe — electricity, gas, those things should be owned. i agree with fwef— should be owned. i agree with ffeflww— should be owned. i agree with ffeflww wfew— should be owned. i agree with that..my view, i— should be owned. i agree with that. my view, i think that that. in my view, i think that few— that. in my view, i think that wew-eww— that. in my view, i think that wew-eww ewffe- that. in my view, i think that they any public public they should any public public eewfee— they should any public public eerwfee er— they should any public public service or utility— they should any public public service or utility should belong to service or utility should belong fe fre— service or utility should belong re rfe ewfffe. — service or utility should belong to the public. but— service or utility should belong to the public. but that's why we're in this mess really. well, i mean, but labour at the moment will nationalise the will only nationalise the railways. they've rowed railways. i mean, they've rowed back on the on other things like utilities and other services. i think that when it comes to the nonh think that when it comes to the north sea, going back to martin's point there, that the question really is whether or not you believe in net zero. martin doesn't doesn't think that we should be going in in that we should be going in in that direction. i believe that eeeffe— that direction. i believe that people shouldn't— that direction. i believe that people shouldn't be- r: t t i believe that people shouldn't be impoverished and people shouldn't be impoverished ewf-efewff— people shouldn't be impoverished and-should have— people shouldn't be impoverished and should have choice and they should have a choice refer—eff- and they should have a choice rather_ all their. rather than paying all their wewew— rather than paying all their money-their— rather than paying all their money their bills. rather than paying all their. money-their-bills. at money on their utility bills. at freeerr— money on their utility bills. at freeewf .— money on their utility bills. at present , nobody— money on their utility bills. at present , nobody the cost, the present, nobody the cost, the fwefffw— present, nobody the cost, the fweffrw ef— present, nobody the cost, the fweffrw ef fffe— present, nobody the cost, the quality of life has gone fwewff. — quality of life has gone through. we're existing , we're through. we're existing, we're not through. we're existing, we're fef—fwefe- through. we're existing, we're not that's because through. we're existing, we're no large that's because through. we're existing, we're no large part, that's because through. we're existing, we're no large part, netat's because through. we're existing, we're no large part, net zer0)ecause through. we're existing, we're no large part, net zero is:ause in large part, net zero is fewwerfwf— in large part, net zero is hammering the poorest out.

war,— hammering the poorest out. weff. wfef— hammering the poorest out. weff. wfef ff— hammering the poorest out. well, what it should- hammering the poorest out. well, what it should do- hammering the poorest out. well, what it should do is create plenty of jobs . i mean, create plenty of jobs. i mean, the argument is that if we really went for net zero properly, which is why i'm a bit disappointed with labour pulling back on the 28 billion we would create somewhere in the region of a million jobs. so people would be off. where are would be better off. where are those ? what would those jobs? what would they be doing would doing about them? would they? what kind of what are they? those kind of kind of jobs would be in onshore wind. so the idea would be to double that out in 2 or 3 blokes maintaining turbines as opposed to hundreds underground digging buildings . where are the jobs buildings. where are the jobs and building them and all the supply that go along with supply chains that go along with them there are jobs there them that there are jobs there to be had? the question is whether you believe in the idea of net zero by 2050. china is going for that. india doesn't . going for that. india doesn't. they're laughing at us. well, india and china are much bigger countries and what they would argue is even a small change does more for the environment than a bannau change in western governments. expect than a bannau change in western governments . expect our governments. expect our feweewere—

governments. expect our reweewere fe — governments. expect our taxpayers to be- g expect our taxpayers to be stapled to the few— taxpayers to be stapled to the ffeer ewf — taxpayers to be stapled to the floor and have— taxpayers to be stapled to the floor and have no— taxpayers to be stapled to the floor and have no quality of fffe— floor and have no quality of fffe fer— floor and have no quality of life for this— floor and have no quality of life for this mythical saving ffe— life for this mythical saving rfe wewef.— life for this mythical saving the planet. whereas the biggest feffwfere— the planet. whereas the biggest eeffwfere ew— the planet. whereas the biggest polluters on earth— the planet. whereas the biggest polluters on earth don't give a wewfewe— polluters on earth don't give a wewfewe fwef— polluters on earth don't give a monkeys that might be a fweerfefe— monkeys that might be a hyperbole actually that hyperbole to actually say that we efeffef— hyperbole to actually say that we efeefef fe— hyperbole to actually say that we stapled to the floor. but the but we stapled to the floor. but the fef-refer— we stapled to the floor. but the but point there yes , it but the point there is yes, it will cost it will cost all of us to get there. it will cost government. it will cost us as individuals . ulez the question individuals. ulez the question then do you think the then is, do you think the rewards worth at the rewards are worth having at the end journey? what are end of the journey? what are those rewards? _ end of the journey? what are those rewards? well, they're ephemeral and ephemeral. reward of of saving the planet. of what? of saving the planet. it's a pretty big reward if you can do that. but look, we can efee— can do that. but look, we can efee fe— can do that. but look, we can efee fe ffe— can do that. but look, we can also do the same— also do the same by by efficiently— also do the same by by efficiently and in a modern manner. tg g manner. extracting the gold beneath our feet. you know, things have moved on since the 19705 things have moved on since the 1970s when my dad was down the pit . you know, we can do this pit. you know, we can do this now in a much cleaner way. i think vote their think people would vote in their millions cheaper energy and millions for cheaper energy and prosperity, reliance on prosperity, not reliance on imports. well, that would be a eeef— imports. well, that would be a feef fwwe.— imports. well, that would be a feef fwwe. ff— imports. well, that would be a good thing. if we— well, that would be a good thing. if we could only do fwef— good thing. if we could only do ffef. fwef— good thing. if we could only do that. that would _ good thing. if we could only do that. that would be lovely. but wwferfwwefefw— that. that would be lovely. but unfortunately, right now we do weef— unfortunately, right now we do eefe-— unfortunately, right now we do need-on foreign- unfortunately, right now we do need on foreign oil and need to rely on foreign oil and fee. —

need to rely on foreign oil and fee. -efewff- gas. and we should i think efwfewefw— gas. and we should i think obviously _what- gas. and we should i think- obviously-what.have gas. and we should i think- obvi(asly-what.have gas. and we should i think obvi(asly butivhat have gas. and we should i think obvi(asly but what have gas. and we should i think obvi(asly but what arelave gas. and we should i think obvi(asly but what are your here as well. but what are your ffewfffef— here as well. but what are your ffewfffef keep— here as well. but what are your thoughts? keep them coming. gb wfewe—wewe- views gb news .com. you're wefeffwf—fei views gb news .com. you're- watching_to come watching gb news. more to come in watching gb news. more to come fw—eferw.- watching gb news. more to come fw—eferw. ewf- in on this breaking story. but fret— in on this breaking story. but first,_latest. first, let's get your latest news headlines . .3 first, let's get your latest- news headlines . good afternoon news headlines. good afternoon to you . it is 4:00. aaron to you. it is 4:00. aaron armstrong here in the newsroom. well, as we've been hearing, nicola sturgeon being arrested by police investigating snp funding and finances. the former first minister is in custody , first minister is in custody, being questioned by detectives. a spokesperson for the former snp leader says she voluntarily attended an interview and has consistently said she'll cooperate with the investigation. in april, her husband, peter murrell, who was the snp's chief executive, was arrested . he was released arrested. he was released without charge, pending further inquiries. their home and the party headquarters were also searched , with police seen searched, with police seen removing boxes of evidence . removing boxes of evidence. three british tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off

egypt. britain's say 12. officials say 12 britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides. it is believed the fire was caused by an electrical short circuit . the electrical short circuit. the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities and is assisting those involved . one of boris those involved. one of boris johnson's allies says the resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister. jacob rees—mogg insists there is no plot against rishi sunak and believes he should remain leader . he also believes mrjohnson could easily get back into parliament at the next election. the former prime minister announced he's stepping down as announced he's stepping down as an mp after being handed the findings of the partygate inquiry. jacob says there inquiry. sirjacob says there could be a of some mps try could be a split of some mps try to block his return but admits things have been done things could have been done better. one always deserves efewe— better. one always deserves ffewe fer— better. one always deserves blame for one's_ one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it wewff— blame for one's own mistakes. it wewff fe— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of to pretend would be absurd of me to pretend fwef— would be absurd of me to pretend ffeer-weewf— would be absurd of me to pretend that-hasn't made— would be absurd of me to pretend that hasn't made mistakes. that boris hasn't made mistakes. freere— that boris hasn't made mistakes. ffere wee— that boris hasn't made mistakes. ffere e— that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man— that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter wewfwewf— there was a man called peter wentworth who _ there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late 16th

eewfwrw— wentworth who in the late 16th eewfwrw wee— wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the fewer— century was locked up in the fewer fer— century was locked up in the tower for saying— century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house of commons, none— tower for saying in the house of commons, none is— tower for saying in the house of commons, none is without fault. no, commons, none is without fault. welewr— commons, none is without fault. no,-our gracious— commons, none is without fault. no, our gracious queen. the no, not our gracious queen. the eewff— no, not our gracious queen. the eewff fe— no, not our gracious queen. the same could be said— no, not our gracious queen. the same could be said of boris. wewe— same could be said of boris. wewe fe— same could be said of boris. none is without— same could be said of boris. none is without fault. no, not ewr—fwef- none is without fault. no, not our—that that. none is without fault. no, noti our—that that is our gracious boris. that that is frwe— our gracious boris. that that is frwe-ef— our gracious boris. that that is frwe-ef — our gracious boris. that that is true of us. .jr�*jlrtrtrtrjt true of all of us. meanwhile, leave campaigner nigel farage believes it's the end for boris johnson with the conservatives . johnson with the conservatives. but the gb news presenter told camilla tominey he's been talking to tory mps about potentially joining a new party. conservatives are totally divided, completely chaotic and letting people down when they've got the cost of living crisis, the crisis in the nhs. the conservatives seem - rt.”s t \r the conservatives seem unable to efwe— conservatives seem unable to efwe ffe— conservatives seem unable to give the feef— conservatives seem unable to give the lead that britain eefe— give the lead that britain needs. well,— give the lead that britain needs. well, that was the lib dem — needs. well, that was the lib dem feefer— needs. well, that was the lib dem feefer .— needs. well, that was the lib dem leader , ed— needs. well, that was the lib dem leader , ed davey. dem leader, ed davey. let's move on dem leader, ed davey. let's move er fe— dem leader, ed davey. let's move on to ukraine. it says its counter offensive against russia is underway . president volodymyr is underway. president volodymyr zelenskyy says he's optimistic about regaining lost territory . about regaining lost territory. it's after ukraine said its forces had advanced up to 2000m along the frontline near the eastern city of bakhmut. russia's disputing the claim and

the met office has warned almost a month's rain could fall over parts of the uk in the next 12 hours. and that is as temperatures continue to soar. 30 degrees recorded in suffolk earlier , it could reach 32 earlier, it could reach 32 yellow thunderstorm alerts, though, which may come as a relief for many have been issued for scotland, northern ireland, england and wales. parts of those countries anyway. and they will be in force until 9:00 tomorrow. and a volcano in hawaii, a volcano in hawaii's big island that erupted early on wednesday morning is still flaring . some dramatic pictures flaring. some dramatic pictures from the west rim of that volcano . it's located in a volcano. it's located in a closed national park. it is one of the world's most active volcanoes. the lava flows are expected to remain confined to the surrounding crater. this is gb news more as it happens. but now back to nana .

now back to nana. hello and now back to nana.- . hello and welcome. this now back to nana.— - hello and welcome. this is gb now back to nana.— - hello aronlineome. this is gb now back to nana.— - hello aronline and. this is gb now back to nana.— - hello aronline and onris is gb news on tv, online and on fffffef— news on tv, online and on digital radio. _ news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. for digital radio. i'm nana akua. fer-few— digital radio. i'm nana akua. for-few hours- digital radio. i'm nana akua. for-few hours ,- digital radio. i'm nana akua. for few hours , me and digital radio. i'm nana akua. for panel few hours , me and digital radio. i'm nana akua. for panel willew hours , me and digital radio. i'm nana akua. for panel will be iours , me and digital radio. i'm nana akua. for panel will be taking me and digital radio. i'm nana akua. for panel will be taking on and digital radio. i'm nana akua. for panel will be taking on some my panel will be taking on some of my panel will be taking on some ef-feffee— my panel will be taking on some of-topics hitting- my panel will be taking on some of topics hitting the of the big topics hitting the feefffwee— of the big topics hitting the headlines-now.- of the big topics hitting the headlines now. we'll be headlines right now. we'll be eewerfwf— headlines right now. we'll be covering-latest- headlines right now. we'll be covering latest story covering the very latest story frew— covering the very latest story from _sturgeon's- covering the very latest story from sturgeon's arrest . from nicola sturgeon's arrest. joining— from nicola sturgeon's arrest. refwfwf-fefew— from nicola sturgeon's arrest. joining today author and joining me today is author and freefeeefer— joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton, efee— broadcaster christine hamilton, also broadcaster— broadcaster christine hamilton, also broadcaster and journalist weww— also broadcaster and journalist fewww kelly— also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and— also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and stay tuned, we-ff— danny kelly, and stay tuned, we-ff fe— danny kelly, and stay tuned, we'll be discussing all of that fwef— we'll be discussing all of that twef fe— we'll be discussing all of that twef re bring— we'll be discussing all of that just to bring you— we'll be discussing all of that just to bring you up to speed on the just to bring you up to speed on fffe—ffe— just to bring you up to speed on fre—ffe-swri the very latest, the former snp feefer— the very latest, the former snp feefer ewf— the very latest, the former snp leader and first— the very latest, the former snp leader and first minister, wfeefe— leader and first minister, nicola sturgeon has been erreefef— nicola sturgeon has been erreefef by— nicola sturgeon has been arrested by police investigating the arrested by police investigating rfe party's— arrested by police investigating the party's finances. nicola is ffe— the party's finances. nicola is fre fffrf— the party's finances. nicola is the third senior— the party's finances. nicola is the third senior snp figure to be fewer— the third senior snp figure to be taken into— the third senior snp figure to be taken into custody after her fwefewf— be taken into custody after her husband, peter— be taken into custody after her husband, peter murrell, the party's— husband, peter murrell, the ferrw-e ferwer— husband, peter murrell, the party's former chief executive ewf— party's former chief executive ewf ceffw— party's former chief executive and colin beattie, the party's ex treasurer. _ and colin beattie, the party's ex treasurer. investigation into the ex treasurer. investigation into rfe party's— ex treasurer. investigation into the party's finances has been ongoing— the party's finances has been eweefwf ewee— the party's finances has been ongoing since july 2021, after the ongoing since july 2021, after we weww— ongoing since july 2021, after the party treasurer douglas cfefwew— the party treasurer douglas chapman fffe— the party treasurer douglas chapman mp, resigned from the refe— chapman mp, resigned from the refe. wew— chapman mp, resigned from the role. now let's— chapman mp, resigned from the role. now let's get— chapman mp, resigned from the role. now let's get some reeeffew— role. now let's get some reaction from _ role. now let's get some reaction from my panel. so let's

fewe— reaction from my panel. so let's fewe e— reaction from my panel. so let's fewe e efef— reaction from my panel. so let's have a chat with— reaction from my panel. so let's have a chat with you. christine fewfffew— have a chat with you. christine fewfffew .— have a chat with you. christine hamilton . this— have a chat with you. christine hamilton . this a— have a chat with you. christine hamilton . this a lot of people hamilton. this a lot of people eewfwe— hamilton. this a lot of people eewfwe efef— hamilton. this a lot of people saying that the— hamilton. this a lot of people saying that the news isn't a ewrfee— saying that the news isn't a surprise, that _ saying that the news isn't a surprise, that she's actually eeew— surprise, that she's actually been arrested.— surprise, that she's actually been arrested. it was more the ffwfwf— been arrested. it was more the ffwfwf ef— been arrested. it was more the ffwfwf ef ffe— been arrested. it was more the timing of the arrest. are you ewrerfeef— timing of the arrest. are you surprised _that- timing of the arrest. are you surprised that nicola has surprised at all that nicola has eeew— surprised at all that nicola has been _custody?- surprised at all that nicola has been _custody? i'm. surprised at all that nicola has been custody? i'm not been taken into custody? i'm not not been taken into custody? i'm not fef—f— been taken into custody? i'm not fef—f weew- been taken into custody? i'm not fef—f ffl not surprised, no. i mean, it was going happen. was obviously going to happen. but all days, but i mean, today of all days, fwef— but i mean, today of all days, twef wfew— but i mean, today of all days, twef wfew wew— but i mean, today of all days, just when you think politics eew-f— just when you think politics can't more exciting with can't get any more exciting with ferfe— can't get any more exciting with eewe—fwewe- can't get any more exciting with boris—knows what can't get any more exciting with boris we knows what can't get any more exciting with boris we were knows what can't get any more exciting with boris we were going nows what can't get any more exciting with boris we were going n0jtalk hat which we were going to talk efewf—ff-el about, suddenly, bang, it's a cfrfefwee— about, suddenly, bang, it's a christmas coming all together. all christmas— christmas coming all together. all christmas is— christmas coming all together. all christmas is coming together for all christmas is coming together fer efewe.— all christmas is coming together for starmer, isn't— all christmas is coming together for starmer, isn't it? i mean, ferfe— for starmer, isn't it? i mean, boris defenestrated, nicola sfwrfeew— boris defenestrated, nicola sturgeon being arrested. but i wfww— sturgeon being arrested. but i wfw-fewe— sturgeon being arrested. but i think-have to. _ sturgeon being arrested. but i think-have to. i— sturgeon being arrested. but i think-have to. i-i. sturgeon being arrested. but i. think-have to. i-i have think we have to. i mean, i have eeew— think we have to. i mean, i have been erreefef— think we have to. i mean, i have been arrested ,_ think we have to. i mean, i have been arrested , neil— think we have to. i mean, i have been arrested , neil and i have been arrested, neil and i have feef— been arrested, neil and i have been arrested.— been arrested, neil and i have been arrested. exactly by the metropolitan— been arrested. exactly by the metropolitan - it - been arrested. exactly by the. metropolitan - it - not metropolitan police. it does not fwef— metropolitan police. it does not mean that she— metropolitan police. it does not mean that she guilty. we have mean that she is guilty. we have to mean that she is guilty. we have fe—wfwf— mean that she is guilty. we have fe—wfwf-we- mean that she is guilty. we havei to_mind-we have to bear that in mind and we have to bear that in mind and we have fe rewewerf— to bear that in mind and we have to remember-and- to bear that in mind and we have to remember and keep that to remember that. and keep that at to remember that. and keep that ef ffe— to remember that. and keep that at the forefront.— to remember that. and keep that at the forefront. it— to remember that. and keep that at the forefront. it not at the forefront. it does not automatically— automatically mean she is fwweeewf— automatically mean she is fwweeewf .— automatically mean she is innocent . it— automatically mean she is innocent. it and automatically mean she is innocent . it and she automatically mean she is innocent. it and she is innocent. it and unless she is wewew— innocent. it and unless she is wewew ewfrw— innocent. it and unless she is proven guilty and— innocent. it and unless she is proven guilty and it's part of we— proven guilty and it's part of we ereeee— proven guilty and it's part of the process, they— proven guilty and it's part of the process, they kind of had to erreef— the process, they kind of had to erreef fer.— the process, they kind of had to arrest her. they— the process, they kind of had to arrest her. they were going to erreef— arrest her. they were going to arrest—surprisedj arrest her. but i am surprised ffe— arrest her. but i am surprised ffeweew-— arrest her. but i am surprised ff-eweew- wfw- arrest her. but i am surprised it's-mean, why do- arrest her. but i am surprised it's mean, why do it on a it's now i mean, why do it on a swwfew— it's now i mean, why do it on a sunday afternoon?— it's now i mean, why do it on a sunday afternoon? perhaps? rerfefe— sunday afternoon? perhaps? . rerfefe—ffef perhaps they thought that that fwefewf—wwefi england was getting too much effewffew— england was getting too much attention-boris- england was getting too much attention boris and nadine england was getting too much atte goodness boris and nadine england was getting too much atte goodness knowsind nadine england was getting too much atte goodness knows what. dine england was getting too much atte goodness knows what. so e and goodness knows what. so fef-e— and goodness knows what. so fee free— and goodness knows what. so fee free e—

and goodness knows what. so let's drop a bombshell up north of let's drop a bombshell up north ef ffe— let's drop a bombshell up north of the border.— let's drop a bombshell up north of the border. but— let's drop a bombshell up north of the border. but no, it's not a of the border. but no, it's not e ewrrfeef — of the border. but no, it's not a surprise. but— of the border. but no, it's not a surprise. but i— of the border. but no, it's not a surprise. but i am very ewrfrfeef— a surprise. but i am very surprised that- a surprise. but i am very surprised that it's happened _f-w- surprised that it's happened _f-wtwef- surprised that it's happened now. _i'm just to. now. i mean, i'm just to reiterate, a spokesperson for nicola said the former nicola sturgeon said the former snp voluntarily attended snp leader voluntarily attended an police an interview with police scotland and that she would cooperate with the investigation. danny, like christine, i too have been arrested. have christine, i too have been arrested . have you? and released arrested. have you? and released wfffewf— arrested. have you? and released wfffewf efewe.— arrested. have you? and released without charge. i— arrested. have you? and released without charge. i was.— 3 have you? and released without charge. i was. it's a reeffw— without charge. i was. it's a reeffw fwwww— without charge. i was. it's a really funny story. i was the i ffe— really funny story. i was the i was the lookalike. i was the doppelganger_ was the lookalike. i was the doppelganger of somebody who efefe— doppelganger of somebody who efefe eefref— doppelganger of somebody who stole petrol and— doppelganger of somebody who stole petrol and was it looks fffe— stole petrol and was it looks fffe wew— stole petrol and was it looks like you honestly , it was the like you honestly, it was the wffewfw. — like you honestly, it was the wffewfw. f— like you honestly, it was the vitamin. i was— like you honestly, it was the vitamin. i was the doppelganger of vitamin. i was the doppelganger ef eeew— vitamin. i was the doppelganger ef seew wfe— vitamin. i was the doppelganger of sean who who— vitamin. i was the doppelganger of sean who who stole petrol. they— of sean who who stole petrol. ffew efewef — of sean who who stole petrol. they cloned some— of sean who who stole petrol. they cloned some reg numbers frew— they cloned some reg numbers frew e— they cloned some reg numbers frew e fweee— they cloned some reg numbers from a garage that i used to wew— from a garage that i used to werf ef— from a garage that i used to werf ef. awf— from a garage that i used to work at. and when i got sacked frew— work at. and when i got sacked frew ffe— work at. and when i got sacked from the garage,— work at. and when i got sacked from the garage, i— work at. and when i got sacked from the garage, i mean, it does . fff— from the garage, i mean, it does . fff ef— from the garage, i mean, it does . fff ef fffe— from the garage, i mean, it does . all of this circumstantial ewffewee — . all of this circumstantial evidence pointing to, to me evidence is pointing to, to me eefweffw— evidence is pointing to, to me eefweffw feffe— evidence is pointing to, to me actually being the thing. anyway — actually being the thing. anyway _we actually being the thing. - anyway,_came round anyway, the old bill came round ewf— anyway, the old bill came round and—remember- anyway, the old bill came round and—remember it- anyway, the old bill came round and remember it was and knocked. i remember it was a ewwww— and knocked. i remember it was a ewfrw-ewf— and knocked. i remember it was a ewwww-ewf f— and knocked. i remember it was a ewwww-ewf f wee- and knocked. i remember it was a sunny-and i was in- and knocked. i remember it was a sunny and i was in the sunny saturday and i was in the fewer— sunny saturday and i was in the eerfew wfff— sunny saturday and i was in the eerfew wfff ww— sunny saturday and i was in the garden with my dad. this is efewf— garden with my dad. this is efewflweere— garden with my dad. this is about-years ago- garden with my dad. this is about years ago having cup about 25 years ago having a cup of about 25 years ago having a cup ef fee.— about 25 years ago having a cup ef fee-ffew— about 25 years ago having a cup of tea.-then six— about 25 years ago having a cup of tea. then six hours later of tea. and then six hours later my of tea. and then six hours later ww-wfere-e- my dad said, where's daniel? fewe— my dad said, where's daniel? gone because— my dad said, where's daniel? gone because they actually my dad said, where's daniel? gone bme use they actually my dad said, where's daniel? gone bme use to ey actually my dad said, where's daniel? gone bme use to stratfordly my dad said, where's daniel? gone bmeuse to stratford upon ferried me off to stratford upon fwew— ferried me off to stratford upon rwew-efefew— ferried me off to stratford upon

avon-station, and- ferried me off to stratford upon avon station, and they avon police station, and they efewef— avon police station, and they showed photograph of the showed me a photograph of the guy,— showed me a photograph of the eww-fewer— showed me a photograph of the eww-fewer .— showed me a photograph of the eww-fewer. f— showed me a photograph of the guy, father. i didn't showed me a photograph of the guy, father . i didn't tell guy, your father. i didn't tell my guy, your father. i didn't tell ww fef— guy, your father. i didn't tell ww fef fe— guy, your father. i didn't tell my dad he was— guy, your father. i didn't tell my dad he was in the garden frfwffwf— my dad he was in the garden frfwffwf e— my dad he was in the garden drinking a-of_ my dad he was in the garden drinking a-of tea,- my dad he was in the garden drinking a of tea, wondering drinking a cup of tea, wondering wfew— when i was going to come back. i fffw-f— when i was going to come back. i fffw-f-ffw — when i was going to come back. i fffw-f-ffw-wew- when i was going to come back. i didn't him you know, didn't tell him that, you know, i i didn't tell him that, you know, f—f wee- didn't tell him that, you know, f—f fwef- didn't tell him that, you know, f—f twef ee| i didn't because i was just so conscience.iwas_ i didn't because i was just so conscience. was so conscience. i was just so eewfweef. — conscience. i was just so eewfweef. f— conscience. i was just so confused. i was- conscience. i was just so confused. i was confused and fwfefw— confused. i was confused and hugely embarrassed and they took me hugely embarrassed and they took we fe— hugely embarrassed and they took me to stratford— hugely embarrassed and they took me to stratford upon avon police sfeffew. — me to stratford upon avon police sfeffew. _we- station. they showed me the photograph— station. they showed me thei efefeereef—ffe photograph that still from the feff— photograph that still from the eww—ef- photograph that still from the wfw—ow ww| photograph that still from the. wfw—ow ww fef. cctv, and i thought, oh my god, fwef— cctv, and i thought, oh my god, ffef feee— cctv, and i thought, oh my god, that does look— cctv, and i thought, oh my god, that does look-but- cctv, and i thought, oh my god, that does look but then that does look like me. but then i that does look like me. but then r eff.— that does look like me. but then i said, where's— that does look like me. but then i said, where's the— that does look like me. but then i said, where's the where's the eefref— i said, where's the where's the petrol station _ i said, where's the where's the petrol station ?_ i said, where's the where's the petrol station ? and i've never petrol station? and i've never feef— petrol station? and i've never eeew-eefrw- petrol station? and i've never been petrol station , but been to that petrol station, but ffew— been to that petrol station, but wew—we.- been to that petrol station, but wew—welfeffl they didn't believe me. i tell you— they didn't believe me. i tell wew-fffw-f- they didn't believe me. i tell you didn't believe you why they didn't believe me feee— you why they didn't believe me because—less- you why they didn't believe me because—less said| because they more or less said fffe.— because they more or less said fffe-wwew— because they more or less said fffe-wwew ef— because they more or less said this.-much of you- because they more or less said this. much of you did they this. how much of you did they —er ff- this. how much of you did they see? _or it was. this. how much of you did they. see? _or it was the see? just the head or it was the whole thing. and i thought, that feee—se— whole thing. and i thought, that feee—se-ffewi does look like me. so what they did— does look like me. so what they fff-wewf— does look like me. so what they fff-wewflffe— does look like me. so what they did, went the garage did, they went to the garage fwef— did, they went to the garage ffeer-feew— did, they went to the garage that-been fired- that i'd just been fired from feee— that i'd just been fired from because registration plate because the registration plate fwewee—- because the registration platei was—was sitting was from a car that was sitting on was from a car that was sittingi ew—eeff. on the forecourt. and they said, fwefe—wewe- on the forecourt. and they said, that's—we've justi that's danny kelly. we've just eeefef—eww- sacked him. not for any effee— sacked him. not for any nefarious reasons, just because i nefarious reasons, just because f—feref— nefarious reasons, just because f—feref werffwfl nefarious reasons, just because i bored working for i used to get bored working for people-— i used to get bored working for eeeefelwefffwf— i used to get bored working for people. nothing bad. and scallywag. nothing bad. and so ffew— scallywag. nothing bad. and so wew—wewfe- they said, look, you're a scouser,-know- they said, look, you're a scouser, know , you think scouser, you know, you think wee— scouser, you know, you think we e— scouser, you know, you think wew-re e fff— scouser, you know, you think you're a big shot— scouser, you know, you think you're a big shot here in a fffffe— you're a big shot here in a little town— you're a big shot here in a little town of— you're a big shot here in a little town of warwick and all of little town of warwick and all ef-f— little town of warwick and all ef-f eff.— little town of warwick and all of-i said, that- little town of warwick and all of-i said, that is- little town of warwick and all of i said, that is not me, of that. i said, that is not me, efffeer. — of that. i said, that is not me, efffeer. _fef— of that. i said, that is not me, officer. _had to- of that. i said, that is not me, officer. had to plead with officer. and i had to plead with ffew— officer. and i had to plead with few fe—

officer. and i had to plead with them to actually— officer. and i had to plead with them to actually drive me back to them to actually drive me back fe-feeewee— them to actually drive me back to-because-said,l to warwick because they said, wefe—feef- to warwick because they said, wefe—beef rel make your own way back to werwfef. — make your own way back to warwick. .wasn't- make your own way back to warwick. . ' tr3 make your own way back to- warwick. .wasn't you. and then warwick. it wasn't you. and then they me. but they accepted it wasn't me. but because , because _madel because, because they'd made an . wew-f— because, because they'd made an . ffew-f eef— because, because they'd made an error , they'd got the hump. and error, they'd got the hump. and ffew— error, they'd got the hump. and ffew ef— error, they'd got the hump. and ffew ef ffref— error, they'd got the hump. and they at first refused drive they at first refused to drive we— they at first refused to drive we-werwfef.- they at first refused to drive me _warwick. so - they at first refused to drive me warwick. so so just me back to warwick. so so just to-christine's- me back to warwick. so so just to christine's point, to reiterate christine's point, you— to reiterate christine's point, wew-feewe— to reiterate christine's point, you-peopieiqet- to reiterate christine's point, you people get nicked you know, people do get nicked all you know, people do get nicked eff-ffwe— you know, people do get nicked eff-ffwe ewf— you know, people do get nicked all-time and then- you know, people do get nicked all time and then get all the time and then get refeeeef— all the time and then get released without further investigation _ released without further investigation rsj”rt investigation. what are the chances that? your chances of that? both your families arrested ? families have been arrested? yeah, well, i can safely say fwe— yeah, well, i can safely say i've never been— yeah, well, i can safely say i've never been arrested. so were— i've never been arrested. so were .— i've never been arrested. so were . ow— i've never been arrested. so there . oh, well,— i've never been arrested. so there . oh, well, not yet. thank there. oh, well, not yet. thank you,— there. oh, well, not yet. thank you, christine. _ there. oh, well, not yet. thank you, christine. i— there. oh, well, not yet. thank you, christine. i don't think fw— you, christine. i don't think f-w wefw— you, christine. i don't think f-w werw feef— you, christine. i don't think i'm very good. but joining me fe— i'm very good. but joining me fe weww— i'm very good. but joining me now is danny and— i'm very good. but joining me now is danny and i hang on. i few-f— now is danny and i hang on. i don't believe— now is danny and i hang on. i don't believe political editor few— don't believe political editor tom harwood— don't believe political editor tom harwood .— don't believe political editor tom harwood . crikey, tom, tom harwood. crikey, tom, i few-f— tom harwood. crikey, tom, i few-f fwew— tom harwood. crikey, tom, i don't know why— tom harwood. crikey, tom, i don't know why i— tom harwood. crikey, tom, i don't know why i brought these twof— don't know why i brought these we. ewf— don't know why i brought these we. fwf few.— don't know why i brought these two, but tom, get— don't know why i brought these two, but tom, get us up to date, ffew— two, but tom, get us up to date, ffew wf— two, but tom, get us up to date, free we fe— two, but tom, get us up to date, few we re eeeef— two, but tom, get us up to date, then up to speed with what's been — then up to speed with what's feew feeeewfwe— then up to speed with what's. been happening—to been happening with regard to wfeefe— been happening with regard toj nicola—arrest been happening with regard to. nicola—arrest. nicola sturgeon and her arrest. weff— nicola sturgeon and her arrest. war, were-e— nicola sturgeon and her arrest. well, there's been— nicola sturgeon and her arrest. well, there's been an investigation into snp party ffweweee— investigation into snp party finances and— investigation into snp party finances and possible fraud wfrww— finances and possible fraud within them— finances and possible fraud within them since 2021. that's wfew— within them since 2021. that's when fefee— within them since 2021. that's when police scotland launched what's known as operation branch form. it's so far led to three

arrests, not just nicola sturgeon. today but of course, her husband peter murrell , at her husband peter murrell, at the start of april and also the former treasurer of the party as well . so those three arrests well. so those three arrests have taken place , two of them in have taken place, two of them in april and two released without charge . but also, of course, at charge. but also, of course, at the same time , there have been the same time, there have been quite rigorous searches of the party hq and of nicola sturgeon and peter morrell's private home as as well. so some big, big questions . owens in what has questions. owens in what has been quite a lengthy investigation , which doesn't investigation, which doesn't really show any signs of slowing down as things stand. what we have seen in the last few minutes or so is responses from both the scottish labour party and the scottish conservative party, the scottish labour party, the scottish labour party, for their part, are saying humza yousaf must urgently come clean about what he knew . the current first he knew. the current first minister, of course, has been seen as very close to nicola sturgeon. many people cast him

as the continuity candidate in the leadership election that took place upon her resignation . on how much did he know ? how . on how much did he know? how close was he to the events? that's what the scottish labour party want to know . whereas the party want to know. whereas the scottish conservative party have said humza yousaf must now show some leadership and suspend nicola sturgeon membership of the snp . so the scottish tories the snp. so the scottish tories calling for humza yousaf to suspend nicola sturgeon as a member of the snp following her arrest earlier this afternoon. that's just a flavour of reaction north of the border from the political parties . but from the political parties. but of course we will see potentially some knock on reaction from the people of scotland in what many people expect is a is a rapid approaching by—election in the seat of margaret ferrier, the mp , the snp elected mp. now independent who was found to have broken all of those covid rules, taking that test meant to isolate but instead travelling

hundreds of miles on public transport across the country. she received a 30 day suspension from the house of commons in the last couple of weeks and that triggers, of course, a recall petition and it could well be that her constituents in scotland get to have their say on the whole mess of scottish politics and indeed the mess within the snp . it seems like within the snp. it seems like were-e— within the snp. it seems like ffere-e e— within the snp. it seems like there's a mess— within the snp. it seems like there's a mess all— within the snp. it seems like there's a mess all over- t fry 37�* it seems like there's a mess all over the eeffffeef— there's a mess all over the political spectrum right now. ffewf— political spectrum right now. ffewf wew— political spectrum right now. ffewf wew very— political spectrum right now. thank you very much. that's feewfw— thank you very much. that's deputy political— thank you very much. that's deputy political editor tom ferweef— deputy political editor tom harwood with— deputy political editor tom harwood with an update. well, refwfwe— harwood with an update. well, refwfwe we— harwood with an update. well, refwfwe we ew— harwood with an update. well, joining me now is— harwood with an update. well, joining me now is former labour wfwfefer— joining me now is former labour wfwfefer fer— joining me now is former labour minister for europe, denis wefefewe.— minister for europe, denis macshane. denis macshane, welcome. thank— macshane. denis macshane, welcome. thank you very much for tefwfwe— welcome. thank you very much for refwfwe we— welcome. thank you very much for refwfwe we ew— welcome. thank you very much for joining me on surprising news to weef— joining me on surprising news to weef .— joining me on surprising news to weef . fwf— joining me on surprising news to most . but what— joining me on surprising news to most . but what do— joining me on surprising news to most. but what do you think this efewefe— most. but what do you think this efewefe ew— most. but what do you think this signals now with— most. but what do you think this signals now with regard to the swe— signals now with regard to the ewe f — signals now with regard to the ewe f weff— signals now with regard to the snp 7 well, it's— signals now with regard to the snp ? �*jrjert.. . 3 tsp snp? well, it's extraordinary. let me just add to danny and christine, i too have been arrested in britain by the communist police in poland , put communist police in poland, put in prison by the apartheid police in south africa. so nana , you're the only innocent

person . i think on the show person. i think on the show today. now, person. i think on the show today . now, to be fair, though, today. now, to be fair, though, today. now, to be fair, though, fe fe— today. now, to be fair, though, fe fe feff— today. now, to be fair, though, fe be r... ff— today. now, to be fair, though, to be fair, if you're— 3 now, to be fair, though, to be fair, if you're arrested, to be fair, if you're arrested, fe fe— to be fair, if you're arrested, fe fe feff— to be fair, if you're arrested, to be fair, denis,— to be fair, if you're arrested, to be fair, denis, if you're erreefef.— to be fair, denis, if you're arrested, doesn't mean you're guilty— arrested, doesn't mean you're guilty wewew— arrested, doesn't mean you're guilty, though, fair, guilty, though, just to be fair, i guilty, though, just to be fair, f—ef— guilty, though, just to be fair, i_of everything. i guilty, though, just to be fair, i of everything. i was guilty of everything. i ww. ww— i was guilty of everything. i we we ww- i was guilty of everything. i mean, my, my, my flabber is completely ghosted . it's completely ghosted. it's flabbergasting. i mean, yesterday , friday, we were yesterday, friday, we were living with the collapse , the living with the collapse, the disappearance of boris johnson . disappearance of boris johnson. and now nicola sturgeon joins him in the dustbin of history. she's been detained by the police of course she's innocent until, you know , there's a trial until, you know, there's a trial or anything. but it's the end andifs or anything. but it's the end and it's a huge blow to the snp. and the problem is you've got these two great populist nationalist parties, the snp, populist nationalists , saying populist nationalists, saying everything that's a problem in scotland is a fault of england. and you've got boris johnson for the last 15 years making the claim everything that's a problem in britain is a fault of europe. so let's get out of europe. so let's get out of europe . let's have a nationalist europe. let's have a nationalist populist , europe. let's have a nationalist populist, english only tory party and all be well. it's a

doppelganger . our the double doppelganger. our the double image of nicola sturgeon. and boy , oh boy, i mean, these are boy, oh boy, i mean, these are huge , massive political huge, massive political developments , really. i mean . developments, really. i mean. wow. and obviously- developments, really. i mean. wow. and obviously ,- ”elfin; i mean. wow. and obviously , the wow. and obviously, the fffferewf— wow. and obviously, the different response from the fffferewf— different response from the different parties. so you've got as different parties. so you've got ee few— different parties. so you've got as tom pointed— different parties. so you've got as tom pointed out, the labour party— as tom pointed out, the labour ferfw ee— as tom pointed out, the labour ferfw ee eewfwe— as tom pointed out, the labour party as saying that humza weweef— party as saying that humza yousaf must— party as saying that humza yousaf must come clean and say wfef— yousaf must come clean and say wfef fe— yousaf must come clean and say wfef fe fwew— yousaf must come clean and say wfef we knew .— yousaf must come clean and say what he knew . and— yousaf must come clean and say what he knew . and then you've what he knew. and then you've got what he knew. and then you've eef ffe— what he knew. and then you've got the conservatives saying so efew— got the conservatives saying so show some leadership suspend show some leadership and suspend wfeefe— show some leadership and suspend nicola sturgeon. _ show some leadership and suspend nicola sturgeon. why do you wfwf— nicola sturgeon. why do you fffwf ffew— nicola sturgeon. why do you think they have— nicola sturgeon. why do you think they have such differing eeereeefee— think they have such differing eeereeefee f— think they have such differing approaches ? well, right now approaches? well, right now i fweefwe— approaches? well, right now i fweefwe eff— approaches? well, right now i imagine all labour wants . imagine all labour wants. i mean, you were calling- imagine all labour wants. i mean, you were calling him hamza useless, non—stop of a few weeks ago . nana well, remember, i love ago. nana well, remember, i love the nickname he i saw him on the bbc with laura kuenssberg this morning and he was useless. and i think he'll be blown out of the water by this. there was a daily scottish daily express poll a few days ago showing labour winning 31 seats in scotland. i think like all those polls, that's an exaggeration . polls, that's an exaggeration. but the plain fact is , is that

but the plain fact is, is that the glory days of the snp are coming to an end . they're not coming to an end. they're not going to go away. scotland doesn't want to be controlled by by parties based in london, that's for sure. but the idea that's for sure. but the idea that breaking britain apart , that breaking britain apart, putting borders and passports checks at gretna green between scotland and england isn't going to work. i think the radical was born in rutherglen. rutherglen. i've got family in rutherglen . i've got family in rutherglen. this is the constituency which now have a recall petition now will have a recall petition and i expect the snp may well lose that seat. i mean, it's just accelerating beyond belief. we are actually an international laughing stock at the moment with all the things that's been happening in the last decade coming to this huge crunch moment. i know it does feel like that, doesn't it? denis macshane,— that, doesn't it? denis macshane, thank- 3 .7’ denis macshane, thank you 3 . .7’ denis macshane, thank you very that, doesn't it? denis- macshane, thank you very much. efwewe— macshane, thank you very much. always eeef— macshane, thank you very much. always eeef fe— macshane, thank you very much. always good to talk to you if you— always good to talk to you if wew fwef— always good to talk to you if wew rwef refwef— always good to talk to you if you just joined us, welcome on beef— you just joined us, welcome on eewf-fff— you just joined us, welcome on feerf-fe-we- you just joined us, welcome on board-gb-we arei board this is gb news. we are ffe— board this is gb news. we are ffe reeefe-e— board this is gb news. we are the people's channel. it's eewfwe— the people's channel. it's eewfwe-fe— the people's channel. it's coming to minutes coming up to 15 minutes after foo.— coming up to 15 minutes after foo. fw— coming up to 15 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana— coming up to 15 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua. and joining me 4:00. i'm nana akua. and joining we fe— 4:00. i'm nana akua. and joining we fe ffeewee— 4:00. i'm nana akua. and joining me to discuss this,— 4:00. i'm nana akua. and joining me to discuss this, let's get

some reaction— me to discuss this, let's get some reaction on- me to discuss this, let's get some reaction on sturgeon's erreef— some reaction on sturgeon's erreef frew— some reaction on sturgeon's erreef frew ww— some reaction on sturgeon's arrest from my panel, author and freefeeefer— arrest from my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton and journalist— broadcaster christine hamilton and journalist broadcaster and journalist and broadcaster weww— and journalist and broadcaster eewew feffw. — and journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. danny, i'm going to fe— danny kelly. danny, i'm going to fe-ffref. — danny kelly. danny, i'm going to come to-first. you- danny kelly. danny, i'm going to come to first. you made some come to you first. you made some reerewfee fe— come to you first. you made some references to margaret farage. feewewfer— references to margaret farage. remember her?— references to margaret farage. remember her? yeah, she's the ewe-efe— remember her? yeah, she's the ewe-efre wee— remember her? yeah, she's the one she was having a test. one that she was having a test. see— one that she was having a test. see fef— one that she was having a test. see fef ffe— one that she was having a test. she had the cowo— one that she was having a test. she had the covid test. you're eweeeeef— she had the covid test. you're supposed-isolate.- she had the covid test. you're supposed isolate. remember supposed to isolate. i remember wewf— supposed to isolate. i remember wewf-efwew— supposed to isolate. i remember went-church and- supposed to isolate. i remember went church and got supposed to isolate. i remember we the church and got supposed to isolate. i remember we the train. hurch and got supposed to isolate. i remember we the train. then and got supposed to isolate. i remember we the train. then shei got supposed to isolate. i remember we the train. then she got got supposed to isolate. i remember we the train. then she got 0th on the train. then she got on a few.— on the train. then she got on a few—efe- on the train. then she got on a train. _she found- on the train. then she got on ai train. _she found that train. then when she found that efe— train. then when she found that efre—eef— she had covid, got back on a few.— she had covid, got back on a few. weef— she had covid, got back on a train. yeah you— she had covid, got back on a train. yeah you don't want to fewer— train. yeah you don't want to laugh because— train. yeah you don't want to laugh because covid express. cowo— laugh because covid express. covfo fwewee— laugh because covid express. cowfe fxereee .— laugh because covid express. covid express . one— laugh because covid express. covid express . one thing- laugh because covid express. covid express . one thing a lot covid express. one thing a lot of people are saying that nicola sturgeon suspended . i sturgeon should be suspended. i think undermines one of the think that undermines one of the greatest in uk life is greatest tenets in uk life is that the presumption of innocence until found guilty. now if you are suspended because you've you've been arrested, then there's almost an assumption that maybe you're guilty and that actually this is just a personal view. when boris johnson was under investigation for having parties, you know, all of the labour wallahs were saying suspend him, suspend him , suspend him. now, in the end, he got a £50 fine, so he's found

guilty one misdemeanour. if guilty of one misdemeanour. if you like. but i think she shouldn't be suspended because it to our it takes us back to our conversations where christine's being arrested without foundation without foundation or proven without foundation or proven without foundation myself have been arrested without foundation. but if was suspended from, say, gb if i was suspended from, say, gb news whilst this police investigation was to go on, then i would feel most harshly treated because i'm innocent and potentially gb news should say, well, let's find out if he's innocent, suspend him. if he gets professions gets found guilty of professions where would happen. so, for where that would happen. so, for example. i think that's example. well, i think that's unfair. if you're in the example. .. f if you're in the police unfair. if you're in the police fewe— unfair. if you're in the policei force—suspended unfair. if you're in the police- force_suspended and force and you were suspended and ffew— force and you were suspended and they-investigating— they were investigating eewefffwe— they were investigating sometthat's_ they were investigating sometthat's police force. well, that's the police force. fwf— well, that's the police force. fwf-fwef— well, that's the police force. fwf-twef eewfwe- well, that's the police force. but just saying that there but i'm just saying that there are—situations,- but i'm just saying that there are employersituations, but i'm just saying that there are employers that ons, but i'm just saying that there are employers that would other employers that would do fwef— other employers that would do ffef . — other employers that would do ffef . weff— other employers that would do that . well,-and- other employers that would do that . well,-and i- other employers that would do i that. well,-and i mean, that. well, indeed. and i mean, the commons is pretty the house of commons is pretty quick people when quick to suspend people when they're usually at they're allegations usually at they're allegations usually at the seems to be of sexual the moment seems to be of sexual impropriety. are told to impropriety. they are told to stay from the until stay away from the commons until it's organised, which as you say, that they've been say, implies that they've been assumed guilty . it's assumed to be guilty. it's personally i can't ever see any future for scottish

independence. i really don't think that there is an appetite for it. obviously things can change over the decades, over five years, ten years, but to me her dream is over and the idea that scotland can rejoin the eu is just ridiculous. how can a little tiny , not an island, little tiny, not an island, a little tiny, not an island, a little tiny, not an island, a little tiny part of a country that's left the eu decide to rejoin ? why would they if they rejoin? why would they if they want to be independent of britain and all the shackles that they say that westminster imposes, would they want to imposes, why would they want to shackle themselves to brussels? imposes, why would they want to shara le themselves to brussels? imposes, why would they want to shara le tia mselves to brussels? imposes, why would they want to shara le tia nonsensicalfrussels? it's a it's a nonsensical argument , the independence argument, the independence argument, the independence argument, they afford argument, and they can't afford to independent of england. to be independent of england. and think the majority in and i think the majority in scotland will grow for no independence . so i think it's independence. so i think it's finished anyway . and honestly, a finished anyway. and honestly, a lot finished anyway. and honestly, a fef ef— finished anyway. and honestly, a fef ef wewwf— finished anyway. and honestly, a lot of young people— �*" t 3 and honestly, a lot of young people might want to lot of young people might want fe fe— lot of young people might want re fe refwfwe— lot of young people might want to be joining back to back with the europeans. _ to be joining back to back with the europeans. �*jrjert.. �*" the europeans. well, if they've got any sense, surely. mean, got any sense, surely. i mean, what you're you're what is it you're you're a socialist. if you're not a socialist, when when socialist, when you're when you're no heart. you're 20, you've got no heart. and if you're not a tory when you're 30, you've got no head. and same possibly and i think the same is possibly slightly true about about independence. don't think

independence. but i don't think hamza will last very long. hamza yusuf will last very long. and i mean, they miss their opportunity by not having what was that lady, kate forbes ? kate was that lady, kate forbes? kate forbes, because had an forbes, because she had an unacceptable view because of her religion . she was against religion. she was against abortion, i'm not sure i. i abortion, but i'm not sure i. i think humza avoided that vote, wewef.— think humza avoided that vote, wewef. fffe-f— think humza avoided that vote, though. didn't he— think humza avoided that vote, though. didn't he avoid the vote 7 though. didn't he avoid the vote f freere— though. didn't he avoid the vote effee-eewe- though. didn't he avoid the vote ? there-same sex- ? there was the same sex werrfeee— ? there was the same sex marriage vote— ? there was the same sex marriage vote ,- ? there was the same sex marriage vote , which avoided marriage vote, which he avoided by marriage vote, which he avoided few—efee. - by doing something else. so he fffe-f— by doing something else. so he fffw-f—ffe- by doing something else. so he didn't—the vote.i by doing something else. so hei didn't—the vote. so didn't have to make the vote. so i didn't have to make the vote. so f wfwf— didn't have to make the vote. so f fffwf ffe— didn't have to make the vote. so i think his vote— didn't have to make the vote. so i think his vote might have been the i think his vote might have been ffe-wew— i think his vote might have been ffe-wew . — i think his vote might have been ffe-wew . were- i think his vote might have been the-way. we're going. i think his vote might have been the way . �*jrjert ”rt; gtr tg the same way. we're going to find maybe at the find out, does that maybe at the end of the day whether nicola sturgeon is going to be charged ? she's charged, that is ? if she's charged, then that is a significant step. back a significant step. going back to christine's point about an appetite independence , i appetite for independence, i don't think that we can conflate today's with the health today's arrest with the health of the snp because the snp are not well, because i don't think even if she is charged and convicted, think that's convicted, i don't think that's going to prevent people saying i still be independent still want to be independent from england from wales . from england and from wales. that's going make people that's not going to make people think, what actually think, do you know what actually , the or , let's stick with the brits or england. sorry, that's true. they brits a of they are brits and a couple of commentators— they are brits and a couple of. commentators-maddox commentators like david maddox

frew— commentators like david maddox few—fe— commentators like david maddox from—he pointed- from the express. he pointed fwef— from the express. he pointed that-earlier— from the express. he pointed that earlier there is that out earlier that there is effff— that out earlier that there is effffleeeefffe — still an appetite for independence. but independence. very much so. but this independence. very much so. but fffe—eewe- independence. very much so. but fffe—eewe wfe- independence. very much so. but this—some who are this must diminish some who are eew— this must diminish some who are eew ef— this must diminish some who are eerr ef eefre— this must diminish some who are sort of going along— this must diminish some who are sort of going along with the fewfweeew— sort of going along with the bandwagon of— sort of going along with the bandwagon of because, bandwagon of it because, you fwew— bandwagon of it because, you knew .— bandwagon of it because, you knew . fwf— bandwagon of it because, you know , but let's— bandwagon of it because, you know , but let's i'm going to know, but let's i'm going to fewe— know, but let's i'm going to fewelefef— know, but let's i'm going to have lchat with— know, but let's i'm going to have chat with because joining have a chat with because joining me have a chat with because joining we—sfw- have a chat with because joining| me _sky political me now is a former sky political eerreeeewfewf— me now is a former sky political correspondent, spencer . correspondent, peter spencer. refer.— correspondent, peter spencer. referffewf— correspondent, peter spencer. peter, thank you _ correspondent, peter spencer. peter, thank you very much for refwfwe— peter, thank you very much for refwfwe we— peter, thank you very much for refwfwe ow— peter, thank you very much for joining me. oh, peter, this is big— joining me. oh, peter, this is ffe wewe— joining me. oh, peter, this is big news, although a lot of eeeefe— big news, although a lot of eeeefe ee— big news, although a lot of people are saying they're not ewrerfeef— people are saying they're not surprised. but— people are saying they're not surprised. but it's the timing fwef— surprised. but it's the timing ffeer-feew— surprised. but it's the timing that-been that- surprised. but it's the timing that been that been that has been that has been the wefw— that has been that has been the ffwe— that has been that has been the main thing here.— that has been that has been the main thing here. what's your fefe— main thing here. what's your fefelff— main thing here. what's your fefelff f — main thing here. what's your fefelff f f— main thing here. what's your take-it ? it was- main thing here. what's your take it ? . main thing here. what's your- take.it ? it was always seemed take on it? it was always seemed rather odd the way nicola sturgeon butted out of leading the snp anyway, without giving any sort of particularly convincing reason. now i do take the convincing reason. now i do take ffe eefwf— convincing reason. now i do take the eefwf fwef— convincing reason. now i do take the point that everyone's- rt.rtrt trt. tg t now i do take the point that everyone's made the point that everyone's made ffe fwweeewf— the point that everyone's made the innocent until— the point that everyone's made the innocent until proved guilty and the innocent until proved guilty ewf efewff— the innocent until proved guilty and should remember that she has efeef— and should remember that she has eereef fe— and should remember that she has eereef fe fe— and should remember that she has agreed to do this. _ and should remember that she has agreed to do this. she's she she . fffe— agreed to do this. she's she she . fffe erreef— agreed to do this. she's she she . this arrest is— agreed to do this. she's she she . this arrest is by— agreed to do this. this arrest is by agreement . this arrest is by agreement ewf— . this arrest is by agreement ewf fer— . this arrest is by agreement and her husband— this arrest is by agreement and her husband and the former treasurer were— and her husband and the former treasurer were both released wfffewf— treasurer were both released without charge _ treasurer were both released without charge .— treasurer were both released without charge . this could well without charge. this could well be ffe — without charge. this could well be ffe ee— without charge. this could well be the case for— without charge. this could well be the case for her— without charge. this could well be the case for her as well. but fwf— be the case for her as well. but fwf ff— be the case for her as well. but fwf ff fee— be the case for her as well. but fwf ff fee fe— be the case for her as well. but but it has to be—

be the case for her as well. but but it has to be said in my rffeewewf— but it has to be said in my judgement, this- but it has to be said in my judgement, this is a huge nail in judgement, this is a huge nail fw ffe— judgement, this is a huge nail in the coffin— judgement, this is a huge nail in the coffin .— judgement, this is a huge nail in the coffin . or— judgement, this is a huge nail in the coffin . or puts one more in the coffin. or puts one more weff— in the coffin. or puts one more weff fw— in the coffin. or puts one more weff fw ffe— in the coffin. or puts one more nail in the coffin— in the coffin. or puts one more nail in the coffin of the credibility. _ nail in the coffin of the credibility. both of the snp and of independence. _ credibility. both of the snp and of independence. remember, she was of independence. remember, she ffe— of independence. remember, she was the standard— of independence. remember, she was the standard bearer. she was the was the standard bearer. she was ffe feffew— was the standard bearer. she was the golden girl, she was a nicola queen of scots, if you like. and she had a huge rating just the same as boris johnson has to be said, because of the magnetism of her persona . motty magnetism of her persona. motty and her her her success. mr yousaf hasn't got anything like the same poll rating or indeed credibility. i would argue that's one point. so i note also that's one point. so i note also that the polls in fact show a majority for not leaving the united kingdom . they get it united kingdom. they get it right now. so that's one point. the second point is, of course, remember that scotland until 2015 was labour heartlands and then they went down from dozens of mps north of the border to

just the one. and they , of just the one. and they, of course, are watching this whole situation with extreme care . and situation with extreme care. and i'd imagine a certain amount of glee, for heaven's sake, because obviously the uk general election will be probably at some point in the latter part of next year. and they are hoping to next year. and they are hoping fe refrfewe— next year. and they are hoping fe refrfewe e— next year. and they are hoping to retrieve a great— trtx. and they are hoping to retrieve a great deal to claw feef— to retrieve a great deal to claw feef e— to retrieve a great deal to claw feef e freer— to retrieve a great deal to claw back a great many— to retrieve a great deal to claw back a great many of the of the eeefe— back a great many of the of the eeefe fwef— back a great many of the of the seats that they— back a great many of the of the seats that they lost . t seats that they lost. because i fwef— seats that they lost. because i think that this whole whole saga doesit think that this whole whole saga does it does dig a hole in the hegemony of the scot nats. well of course it was probably the failure of the labour party in scotland which gave the snp the foothold to begin with . so if foothold to begin with. so if they can reassert 3 trrtg t so if they can reassert themselves freere— they can reassert themselves were free — they can reassert themselves there then then— they can reassert themselves there then then that's really efefw— there then then that's really eeefw ee— there then then that's really eeefw ef— there then then that's really again one of the reasons why ffew— again one of the reasons why ffew feef— again one of the reasons why they lost ground— again one of the reasons why they lost ground as well. these eefre— they lost ground as well. these eefre wefee— they lost ground as well. these extra votes they— they lost ground as well. these extra votes they could potentially _ extra votes they could potentially in an extra seats, ffew— potentially in an extra seats, ffew eewff— potentially in an extra seats, they could potentially get could be - difference _ they could potentially get could be difference going forward be the difference going forward in be the difference going forward fw—ffew-wefi in this election. they may not weef— in this election. they may not weeflrefwfre— in this election. they may not need require coalition of any need to require coalition of any fwf— need to require coalition of any fwf-wewff— need to require coalition of any kind _would.useful- need to require coalition of any kind would useful for kind which would be useful for ffew. — kind which would be useful for ffew. wfef— kind which would be useful for them. what-you— kind which would be useful for

them. what you think that them. what do you think that wefr— them. what do you think that keir starmer— them. what do you think that keir starmer is— them. what do you think that keir starmer is thinking as he's weferfwe— keir starmer is thinking as he's watching this?— keir starmer is thinking as he's watching this? then he must be rwfffwe— watching this? then he must be rwfffwe ffe— watching this? then he must be rubbing his hands— watching this? then he must be rubbing his hands with glee . rubbing his hands with glee. weff— rubbing his hands with glee. weff. eweww.— rubbing his hands with glee. well, exactly-course- rubbing his hands with glee. well, exactly-course he. rubbing his hands with glee. well, exactly. of course he is. and he is also buoyed by an mrp poll last week, which was the first big one. relate to the constituency boundaries, which of course will be different from how they were at the last election. and that suggested and it was a big poll that suggested that actually he is on course for a landslide or that's even bigger than that achieved by tony blair in 1997. and you know, sort of based on the basis of following the narrative that the voters are actually whether or not they love keir starmer. the fact is they're fed up with the tory bequest of crumbling pubuc the tory bequest of crumbling public services and the cost of living crisis . and so there is living crisis. and so there is that sense let's give the other lot a go . well, i mean, frankly, lot a go. well, i mean, frankly, freere— lot a go. well, i mean, frankly, were free— lot a go. well, i mean, frankly, there there doesn't— gtr well, i mean, frankly, there there doesn't seem to be ewewer— there there doesn't seem to be another credible— there there doesn't seem to be another credible or slightly ereffffe— another credible or slightly credible alternative or one were— credible alternative or one were e— credible alternative or one that's a realistic proposition .

that's a realistic proposition. an that's a realistic proposition. aw se— that's a realistic proposition. aw se freere— that's a realistic proposition. an so there are— that's a realistic proposition. an so there are no other parties . fe— an so there are no other parties . ffe wew— an so there are no other parties . ffe wew wfwf— an so there are no other parties . do you think that's a fault of our electoral— . do you think that's a fault of our electoral system, that we are so we're stuck— our electoral system, that we are so we're stuck with two eerffee— are so we're stuck with two eerrfee ewf— are so we're stuck with two parties and if— are so we're stuck with two parties and if one is doing such a parties and if one is doing such e fef— parties and if one is doing such e fef fef.— parties and if one is doing such e fef ref. we— parties and if one is doing such a bad job, we literally have no effer— a bad job, we literally have no effer eeffew— a bad job, we literally have no other option. and— a bad job, we literally have no other option. and the others efwefw— other option. and the others efwefw fewe— other option. and the others simply have no— other option. and the others simply have no chance of any ereeeeef— simply have no chance of any ereeeeef ef— simply have no chance of any prospect of getting elected . prospect of getting elected. weff— prospect of getting elected. weff. f— prospect of getting elected. weff. f weew— prospect of getting elected. well, i mean, of— prospect of getting elected. well, i mean, of course- prospect of getting elected. well, i mean, of course it is the that is the consequence of a rather clumsy first past the post system , which does mean post system, which does mean it's sort of the two main parties love it because it effectively does rub out all the others. but you may remember fwef— others. but you may remember ffef wfew— others. but you may remember that when there _ others. but you may remember that when there was— but you may remember that when there was the cameron clegg— that when there was the cameron cfeee efe— that when there was the cameron cfeee ewf— that when there was the cameron clegg axis and they did have a referewwwf— clegg axis and they did have a referendum, say— clegg axis and they did have a referendum, say ,_ clegg axis and they did have a referendum, say , listen, what referendum, say, listen, what eeewf— referendum, say, listen, what efewf wfef— referendum, say, listen, what about what about getting rid of our antiquated— about what about getting rid of our antiquated club , funky old our antiquated club, funky old wefwe— our antiquated club, funky old wefwe ewefew— our antiquated club, funky old voting system and bringing ereeerffewef— voting system and bringing proportional representation and the electorate— proportional representation and the electorate voted against the fee — the electorate voted against the fee f— the electorate voted against the fee f eweeeef— the electorate voted against the idea. i suspect the— the electorate voted against the idea. i suspect the electorate wefef— idea. i suspect the electorate wefef wfw— idea. i suspect the electorate voted with an— idea. i suspect the electorate voted with an almighty sort of weww. — voted with an almighty sort of weww. af— voted with an almighty sort of weww. ar ffe— voted with an almighty sort of yawn. at the same time , those yawn. at the same time, those wfe— yawn. at the same time, those who bothered— yawn. at the same time, those who bothered to— yawn. at the same time, those who bothered to turn up at all.

so who bothered to turn up at all. se we— who bothered to turn up at all. se we ee— who bothered to turn up at all. so we are stuck— who bothered to turn up at all. so we are stuck with that effweffew— so we are stuck with that situation and _ so we are stuck with that situation and it is a subject of eweewe— situation and it is a subject of ongoing absolute— situation and it is a subject of ongoing absolute frustration, eerffewferfw— ongoing absolute frustration, eerffewferfwfe— ongoing absolute frustration, particularly to the liberal feweerefe— particularly to the liberal democrats of _ particularly to the liberal democrats of the third party. weff— democrats of the third party. weff ffew— democrats of the third party. well they constantly say that ffew— well they constantly say that ffew wewf— well they constantly say that they want that— well they constantly say that they want that sort of proportional- they want that sort of proportional representation wwfff— proportional representation wwfff ffew— proportional representation wwfff ffew eer— proportional representation until they get into power and ffew— until they get into power and free ffew— until they get into power and then they think— until they get into power and then they think actually now i'm fw. — then they think actually now i'm fw. ffe— then they think actually now i'm in. it's better— then they think actually now i'm in. it's better for— then they think actually now i'm in. it's better for me- then they think actually now i'm in. it's better for me to- then they think actually now i'm in. it's better for me to keep it the way is because it the way it is because i benefit better. thank you very much. lovely much. peter spencer. lovely to talk you. he's the former sky talk to you. he's the former sky political correspondent. stay tuned. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. the people's channel. i'm nana akua . let's get some akua. now let's get some reaction . if you've just tuned reaction. if you've just tuned in, nicola sturgeon has been arrested. joining me , author and arrested. joining me, author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also ukip leader neil hamilton. neil, thank you very much for joining hamilton. neil, thank you very much forjoining me. very good to be here. especially with your effer— to be here. especially with your effer eweefe. — to be here. especially with your other guests. i— to be here. especially with your other guests. i know- trt”rt especially with your other guests. ” trt;”rt; especially with your other guests. ” “rt; other guests. i know your wife because the now talk to me about this. does this come as any ewrerfee— this. does this come as any ewrerfee fe— this. does this come as any surprise to you— does this come as any surprise to you that nicola sfwreeew— surprise to you that nicola sturgeon has— surprise to you that nicola sturgeon has been arrested? \rtr sturgeon has been arrested? no, i sturgeon has been arrested? no, frwef— sturgeon has been arrested? no, ffffwf ff— sturgeon has been arrested? no, ffffwf f we— sturgeon has been arrested? no, i think it was inevitable. well, after all, her husband is at the centre of this scandal. we don't

know what's true and what isn't as yet the reason why she's been arrested is that in order for whatever she says to the police to be admissible as evidence in court, if there are court proceedings in due course, she has to give that evidence under arrest. and with all the protections of being warned about the consequences of what she says and so on. so it doesn't indicate that she personally is culpable . and as personally is culpable. and as danny and christine said earlier on, we've all been addressed because i've been arrested as well. and i have not been arrested. you should you should efwewe— arrested. you should you should efwewe feewe — arrested. you should you should always leave room— arrested. you should you should always leave room in— 3 you should you should always leave room in life for new challenges. _ always leave room in life for new challenges. - always leave room in life for new challenges. i think. but yeah, so in our case, there was absolutely no truth in the allegations against us whatsoever. and pure invention. but we had to be arrested so that in our statements to the police, those could be used in evidence in court if there were subsequently court proceedings, which not. and, you which there were not. and, you know, that must— which there were not. and, you know, that must have- rt.t and, you know, that must have been quite

badr_ know, that must have been quite fef—fwef- bad, though, the fact that efwfewefw— obviously people get arrested, but obviously people get arrested, fwf—fewwfl but then they're then found ewfrw— but then they're then found ewffrw .— but then they're then found ewffrw . ffe— but then they're then found guilty , the impact that guilty, the impact that that wewff— guilty, the impact that that wewff-wew- guilty, the impact that that would-you and- guilty, the impact that that- would-you and christine would have on you and christine eereeweffw— personally, that must have been ewffe— personally, that must have been ewfre—fewee.- personally, that must have been quite_course,.was| quite tough. of course, it was devastating. and we were self—employed the self—employed working in the media the time. so of course, media at the time. so of course, all work have all our work would have disappeared a disappeared overnight as a result wall wall bad result of the wall to wall bad pubuchy result of the wall to wall bad publicity that we received. as a result of that. however we were able to knock it out of court pretty quickly and within a few weeks the police announced that no further proceedings were going to be taken. but there are a lot of people who spend sometimes years with this sword of damocles hanging over their heads. and it is most unfair. and we're talking before the break about the principle of innocence unless proven guilty and therefore , for the calls to and therefore, for the calls to suspend nicola sturgeon as a member of the snp and so on, it would be unfair in a way because and prejudicial if that were to happen, although this frequently does happen in political life and in business life as well,

where people are are suspended from work until the outcome of proceedings. so there is a conflict there. i think , between conflict there. i think, between this basic principle of justice on the one hand and of course the interests of public perception has on in a case of a business, is that going to affect its bottom line? and everybody else working for the business and in politics, what's the implication of this for the fortunes of the political party, of which you're a member and the other parties are now other political parties are now making hay with this as far as they can with that risk of libel in what they say about nicola sturgeon and so it's you know, it all adds to the gaiety of nations, i suppose. well, you're you're nations, i suppose. well, you're we e— nations, i suppose. well, you're wew-re e eerew— nations, i suppose. well, you're you're a party leader,- well, you're you're a party leader, leader of fwf— you're a party leader, leader of fffe eerew— you're a party leader, leader of fffe eerrw. ff— you're a party leader, leader of ukip party if you— you're a party leader, leader of ukip party. if you were in humza weweef— ukip party. if you were in humza yousaf position,— ukip party. if you were in humza yousaf position, a— ukip party. if you were in humza yousaf position, a lot of it's so difficult— yousaf position, a lot of it's so difficult not— yousaf position, a lot of it's so difficult not to say useless, fwf— so difficult not to say useless, fwf ffe— so difficult not to say useless, fwf ffe weeee— so difficult not to say useless, but his usage rules of the time if but his usage rules of the time ff wew— but his usage rules of the time ff wew fwwze— but his usage rules of the time if you humza yousaf position rfew— if you humza yousaf position rfeff wew— if you humza yousaf position right now, what— if you humza yousaf position right now, what would you what wewff— right now, what would you what wewff wew— right now, what would you what would your next— right now, what would you what would your next move be in order to would your next move be in order fe eew— would your next move be in order fe eew ef— would your next move be in order fe eew ef feee— would your next move be in order to sort of keep your— would your next move be in order

to sort of keep your party referrer— to sort of keep your party together and— to sort of keep your party together and keep the kind of eferew— together and keep the kind of ewerew eeefffwe— together and keep the kind of energy positive kyiv? �*jrjert;.. energy positive kyiv? well, i fwef— energy positive kyiv? well, i fffwf wfef— energy positive kyiv? well, i think what he's doing is absolutely right . at the moment. absolutely right. at the moment. he's not taking any further action nicola sturgeon, action against nicola sturgeon, and stating the plain fact and he's stating the plain fact of matter that this is a of the matter that this is a police investigation . he's not police investigation. he's not going do anything to going to do anything to prejudice nobody prejudice it and nobody should draw any conclusions in advance of charges being brought and the effect of any subsequent trial on on the defendants in that trial. so we are in a minute at the minute, in a kind of fog of uncertainty ante about what's going on. it all looks very murky. but who knows who did what or or whether anything was done, which was morally culpable or illegal. yeah, well, and were— or illegal. yeah, well, and were we— or illegal. yeah, well, and that's the thing.- or illegal. yeah, well, and that's the thing. i- g yeah, well, and that's the thing. i mean, and a eeefeeeereew— that's the thing. i mean, and a spokesperson for— that's the thing. i mean, and a spokesperson for nicola sturgeon has spokesperson for nicola sturgeon fee eeff— spokesperson for nicola sturgeon fee eeff fwef— spokesperson for nicola sturgeon has said that former snp leader wefwwferffw— has said that former snp leader voluntarily attended an fwferwfew— voluntarily attended an interview with police scotland ewf— interview with police scotland ewf feef— interview with police scotland ewf ffef efe— interview with police scotland and that she would cooperate wfff— and that she would cooperate wfff ffe— and that she would cooperate with the investigation . so she's with the investigation. so she's feffe— with the investigation. so she's fefwe wfef— with the investigation. so she's doing what what— with the investigation. so she's doing what what she should be feffe— doing what what she should be doing-christine?- doing what what she should be doing-christine? i- doing what what she should be doing christine? i mean, doing right, christine? i mean, it doing right, christine? i mean, ff eewff— doing right, christine? i mean, ff eewff eff— doing right, christine? i mean, it could all turn— doing right, christine? i mean, it could all turn out to be a eewefefe—ffel it could all turn out to be a- complete _the whole complete damp squib, the whole fwwe. — complete damp squib, the whole fwwe. wfeefe— complete damp squib, the whole thing. nicola sturgeon- complete damp squib, the whole

thing. \r t gt gt. thing. nicola sturgeon might turn be completely turn out to be completely innocent. and innocent. peter murrell and whoever the third person is, it might all have been an absolute whoever the third person is, it might al aiave been an absolute whoever the third person is, it might al a teacup.en an absolute whoever the third person is, it might al a teacup. wen absolute whoever the third person is, it might al a teacup. we justsolute whoever the third person is, it might al a teacup. we just don't storm in a teacup. we just don't know yet. well, goodness knows how we find out. i how long before we find out. i mean, i expect will mean, i expect that boris will wewf— mean, i expect that boris will want-arrested- mean, i expect that boris will want arrested now, mean, i expect that boris will. want-arrested now,-to want to be arrested now, just to feee— want to be arrested now, just to feeelffe— want to be arrested now, just to feeelffe-weff- want to be arrested now, just to keep .the _well , - want to be arrested now, just to. keep .the _well , there's keep in the news. well, there's trump do you not feel trump as well. do you not feel does feel like there's does it feel like there's a sense that these charismatic sense that all these charismatic i one sort of like i know one sort of like wonderful leaders who are so good drawing a crowd have good at drawing a crowd have suddenly this weird suddenly attracted this weird kind of energy where they're all they're all being arrested. it is almost novel, isn't is almost like a novel, isn't it, is almost like a novel, isn't ff-wew-we— is almost like a novel, isn't ff-wew-we eef- is almost like a novel, isn't| it,-you've got-two is almost like a novel, isn't it, charismaticot two is almost like a novel, isn't it, charismatic bloc two is almost like a novel, isn't it, charismatic bloc heads on great charismatic bloc heads on feff— great charismatic bloc heads on feff effee— great charismatic bloc heads on feff effee ef— great charismatic bloc heads on both sides of the— great charismatic bloc heads on both sides of the of the of the weerfw. — both sides of the of the of the weerfw. feefe— both sides of the of the of the nearly. yeah. the— both sides of the of the of the nearly. yeah. the ocean and wewe— nearly. yeah. the ocean and wewwe eef— nearly. yeah. the ocean and you've got trump and then he's got you've got trump and then he's eef e— you've got trump and then he's eef e effew— you've got trump and then he's got a biden who— you've got trump and then he's got a biden who is— you've got trump and then he's got a biden who is about the feeef— got a biden who is about the least charismatic— got a biden who is about the least charismatic most boring fweefweffe— least charismatic most boring imaginable president and we've got imaginable president and we've eef eerfe— imaginable president and we've eef ferfe fee— imaginable president and we've got boris has got— imaginable president and we've got boris has got rishi sunak wfe— got boris has got rishi sunak wfe fe— got boris has got rishi sunak who is frankly— got boris has got rishi sunak who is frankly not charismatic wfefewer— who is frankly not charismatic whatever the _ who is frankly not charismatic whatever the reverse of not eferfeweffe— whatever the reverse of not charismatic is— whatever the reverse of not charismatic is so- whatever the reverse of not charismatic is so it is extraordinary that these two ffew— extraordinary that these two ffew feeeew— extraordinary that these two they happen both to be blonde. fweee— they happen both to be blonde. ffeee fwe— they happen both to be blonde. these two blonde— they happen both to be blonde. these two blonde bombshells have exefefef— these two blonde bombshells have exefefef fw— these two blonde bombshells have ewefefef fw. f— these two blonde bombshells have exploded in. i think,— these two blonde bombshells have exploded in. i think, the very same week. the— exploded in. i think, the very

same week. the arresting of trumpe— same week. the arresting of trumpr ffe— same week. the arresting of trump, the charging of trump and eerfe— trump, the charging of trump and ferfe reefewfwe— trump, the charging of trump and ferfe reefewfwe .— trump, the charging of trump and boris resigning , etcetera. what boris resigning, etcetera. what i boris resigning, etcetera. what f ffwf— boris resigning, etcetera. what f ffwf wefe— boris resigning, etcetera. what i find we're not— boris resigning, etcetera. what i find we're not talking about fewe— i find we're not talking about ferfe wefe— i find we're not talking about boris, we're talking about fwefe.— boris, we're talking about nicola. we'll— boris, we're talking about nicola. we'll talk about we can feff— nicola. we'll talk about we can feff efewf— nicola. we'll talk about we can talk about boris— nicola. we'll talk about we can talk about boris as— nicola. we'll talk about we can talk about boris as well . but i talk about boris as well. but i weewlfe— talk about boris as well. but i weewlfe ewffe— talk about boris as well. but i mean, is quite extraordinary mean, it is quite extraordinary fwef— mean, it is quite extraordinary ffeer—referrer- mean, it is quite extraordinary that—together of. that the coming together of freee— that the coming together of. these _events , these two side seismic events, frewffw— these two side seismic events, frewffw. feff— these two side seismic events, frankly, both of— these two side seismic events, frankly, both of them seismic in wefr— frankly, both of them seismic in ffefr ew— frankly, both of them seismic in their own right,— frankly, both of them seismic in their own right, and for them to be feeeewfwe— their own right, and for them to be feeeewfwe ef— their own right, and for them to be happening at the same time is weferfe— be happening at the same time is ffeferfe .— be happening at the same time is ffeferfe. ff— be happening at the same time is ffeferfe. ff fe— be happening at the same time is historic . it is really. be happening at the same time is historic. it is really. . . historic. it is really. isn't it an momentous it is an awful momentous it is exciting times . it exciting exciting times. it is exciting times. time in politics times. a big time in politics right i mean, tuned. right now. i mean, stay tuned. give thoughts, the give us your thoughts, by the way, gb views gb .com or way, gb views gb news .com or tweet us at gb news. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. loads more channel. we've got loads more still come. what do you think still to come. what do you think that the world is that the rest of the world is thinking? know, thinking? because, you know, i thinking? because, you know, i think this country i love think that this country i love this country . think that this country i love this country. i think that this country i love this country . i love the united this country. i love the united kingdom. i think a kingdom. i think it's a fantastic place to be. but it seems to kind of imploding fantastic place to be. but it seethe to kind of imploding fantastic place to be. but it seethe differentd of imploding fantastic place to be. but it seethe differentd of implcofig all the different elements of it. stormont it. you've got stormont who won't . you've got nicola won't meet. you've got nicola sturgeon, now being sturgeon, who's now being arrested, she may well arrested, although she may well be we know, boris be innocent, as we know, boris johnson and the privileged committee going in committee going on in the kangaroo court he calls it, kangaroo court that he calls it,

and like a level and it just feels like a level of instability at the moment that we're going through something . well, i suppose every something. well, i suppose every eewerrw— something. well, i suppose every eewerrw feee— something. well, i suppose every country goes through— tg well, i suppose every country goes through periods fffe—fef-fwi like this. we've had them in fffe— like this. we've had them in this-before. - like this. we've had them in this-before. i've- like this. we've had them in this before. i've been this country before. i've been in this country before. i've been fw-werw— this country before. i've been fw-werw-ffwei in politics a very long time. i ffref— in politics a very long time. i ffref-fer— in politics a very long time. i first for parliament in first stood for parliament in fefrwerw— first stood for parliament in february 1974,— first stood for parliament in february 1974, decades before you— february 1974, decades before wew wee— february 1974, decades before wew ferw— february 1974, decades before you were born, and so nice of woe.— you were born, and so nice of your fwf— you were born, and so nice of your fwf f— you were born, and so nice of your fwf f wee— you were born, and so nice of you, but i was actually here and . we— you, but i was actually here and . we we— you, but i was actually here and . we ffe fefe— you, but i was actually here and . we the 1979 election took place— . we the 1979 election took efeee fw— . we the 1979 election took efeee fw ffe— . we the 1979 election took place in the winter of discontent _ place in the winter of discontent or immediately after the discontent or immediately after ffe wfwfer— discontent or immediately after ffe wfwfer ef— discontent or immediately after the winter of discontent , the winter of discontent, ee—eeffef. — the winter of discontent, so—called, when nothing worked in so—called, when nothing worked fw ffe— so—called, when nothing worked fw ffe eewwfrw. — so—called, when nothing worked in the country. the— so—called, when nothing worked in the country. the dead went wwfwrfef— in the country. the dead went wwfwrfef fw— in the country. the dead went unburied in rubbish, piled up in the unburied in rubbish, piled up in ffe erreefe— unburied in rubbish, piled up in ffe efreefe .— unburied in rubbish, piled up in the streets . and— unburied in rubbish, piled up in the streets . and we've had other the streets. and we've had other eerfefe— the streets. and we've had other eerfefe ef— the streets. and we've had other periods of political— the streets. and we've had other periods of political instability wefer— periods of political instability under thatcher. _ periods of political instability under thatcher. et cetera as weff— under thatcher. et cetera as weff. se— under thatcher. et cetera as weff. se f— under thatcher. et cetera as well. so i don't— under thatcher. et cetera as well. so i don't think is well. so i don't think this is eewfrwe— well. so i don't think this is ewwfffwe — well. so i don't think this is anything new. is- well. so i don't think this is anything new. tg “ anything new. is anything new? wow well, i've got to say, it's one of the most tumultuous penodsin one of the most tumultuous periods in politics ever periods in politics i've ever seen over the last few years. and it all started, i think. was it partygate or was it before that? watlington. stay tuned. it partygate or was it before that? of ftlington. stay tuned. it partygate or was it before that? of cake.on. stay tuned. it partygate or was it before that? of cake. piece ay tuned. it partygate or was it before that? of cake. piece of tuned. it partygate or was it before that? of cake. piece of cakei. it partygate or was it before that? of cake. piece of cake . piece of cake. piece of cake. piece of cake. piece of cake. piece cake. a piece of cake. piece of cake. a piece of cake. a—ef— piece of cake. a piece of cake. a—ef-wefft a suitcase full of booze. well, fe— a suitcase full of booze. well, fe fffe-f— a suitcase full of booze. well, no, he didn't take— a suitcase full of booze. well, no, he didn't take the booze. he no, he didn't take the booze. we fffe-f— no, he didn't take the booze. we fffe-f ferw— no, he didn't take the booze. he didn't carry the— no, he didn't take the booze. he didn't carry the booze.- he didn't carry the booze. i know. this is just. just stay

with we'll keep updated with us. we'll keep you updated on on on everything that's going on here first, here at gb news. but first, let's news let's get your latest news headunes. let's get your latest news headlines . hi there it is. 432. headlines. hi there it is. 432. arron armstrong here- headlines. hi there it is. 432. arron armstrong here in- 3 .trt;”rt; . 432. arron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. well,— arron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. well, as we've been bearingr— newsroom. well, as we've been bearingr wfeefe— newsroom. well, as we've been hearing, nicola has been erreefef— hearing, nicola has been erreefef by— hearing, nicola has been arrested by police investigating swe— arrested by police investigating swr ffweweee— arrested by police investigating snp finances and funding . the snp finances and funding. the ferwer— snp finances and funding. the fewee ffeer— snp finances and funding. the former first minister is in ewefefw. — former first minister is in custody. she's— former first minister is in custody. she's being questioned by fereeffwee. — custody. she's being questioned by detectives. a— custody. she's being questioned by detectives. a spokesperson for by detectives. a spokesperson fer ffee— by detectives. a spokesperson for the former— by detectives. a spokesperson for the former snp leader says eree— for the former snp leader says she voluntarily— for the former snp leader says she voluntarily attended an fwfewfew— she voluntarily attended an interview and— she voluntarily attended an interview and has consistently eeff— interview and has consistently eeff efee-ff— interview and has consistently said she'll cooperate with the investigation _ said she'll cooperate with the investigation .— said she'll cooperate with the investigation . when in april her investigation. when in april her fwefewf— investigation. when in april her husband peter— investigation. when in april her husband peter murrell, who was the husband peter murrell, who was ffe seefffere— husband peter murrell, who was the scottish national party's ewef— the scottish national party's chief executive,— the scottish national party's chief executive, he was arrested ewf— chief executive, he was arrested ewf refeeeef— chief executive, he was arrested and released without charge, eewfwe— and released without charge, pending further— and released without charge, pending further inquiries. their feewe— pending further inquiries. their feewe ewf— pending further inquiries. their feewe ewf free— pending further inquiries. their home and the party headquarters were also searched.— home and the party headquarters were also searched. police were ffeefwe— were also searched. police were ffeefwe fw— were also searched. police were seen digging in the front garden and seen digging in the front garden ewf efee— seen digging in the front garden and also removing boxes of ewffewee— and also removing boxes of ewffewee .— and also removing boxes of evidence . three— and also removing boxes of evidence . three british tourists evidence. three british tourists are evidence. three british tourists wfeefwe— evidence. three british tourists are missing after— evidence. three british tourists are missing after a dive boat fwef— are missing after a dive boat fwref fefe— are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea

off burst into flames in the red sea eff fewer— burst into flames in the red sea eff fewer .— burst into flames in the red sea off egypt . officials say 12 off egypt. officials say 12 frffewe— off egypt. officials say 12 britons were _ off egypt. officials say 12 britons were rescued along with the britons were rescued along with free ff— britons were rescued along with the re feweffew— britons were rescued along with the 12 egyptian crew and guides . ffee— the 12 egyptian crew and guides . ffe reeffw— the 12 egyptian crew and guides . the foreign office has confirmed— . the foreign office has confirmed it's- . the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with feweffew— confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities and is eewffwwfwe— egyptian authorities and is continuing to— egyptian authorities and is continuing to assist those fwwefwef— continuing to assist those involved in— continuing to assist those involved in the- continuing to assist those involved in the incident . one of involved in the incident. one of eerfe— involved in the incident. one of boris johnson's— involved in the incident. one of boris johnson's allies says the eeewf— boris johnson's allies says the recent resignations of two tory fffe— recent resignations of two tory fffe wee— recent resignations of two tory fffe wef— recent resignations of two tory fffe wef e— recent resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated effewef— mps was not a coordinated effewef fe— mps was not a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime wfwfefer.— attempt to undermine the prime minister. jacob— attempt to undermine the prime minister. jacob rees—mogg wefefe— minister. jacob rees—mogg insists there's— minister. jacob rees—mogg insists there's no plot against ffew— insists there's no plot against ffefef swwef— insists there's no plot against rishi sunak and— insists there's no plot against rishi sunak and believes he efeewff— rishi sunak and believes he should remain— rishi sunak and believes he should remain leader. he also suggestedr_ should remain leader. he also suggested, though, mrjohnson suggested, though, mr johnson eewff— suggested, though, mr johnson eewff efww— suggested, though, mr johnson could return to— suggested, though, mr johnson could return to westminster, eewfwe — could return to westminster, eewfwe fe — could return to westminster, saying he could— could return to westminster, saying he could easily get back fefe— saying he could easily get back into parliament— saying he could easily get back into parliament at— saying he could easily get back into parliament at the next efeeffew. — into parliament at the next election. one— into parliament at the next election. jijjtrt; into parliament at the next election. 3 election. one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of me to pretend that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house of commons, none is without fault. no, gracious queen. in no, not our gracious queen. in the same could be said of boris

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has not been charged. no has not been charged. there's no sense she's done anything sense that she's done anything illegal. she actually put herself that to herself forward for that to happen. and she's being questioned as we speak. let's continue our coverage of continue with our coverage of former snp leader nicola sturgeon and her arrest . joining sturgeon and her arrest. joining me now is gb news presenter nigel farage. nigel thank you very much for joining nigel farage. nigel thank you very much forjoining me. well, it's such news, but most are saying it's not surprising at all. do you take from this? all. what do you take from this? well, what a few days of midsummer— well, what a few days of midsummer madness we got johnson fwwe— midsummer madness we got johnson frwwe ewf— midsummer madness we got johnson frwwe ewf ew— midsummer madness we got johnson trump and now sturgeon. i mean, the trump and now sturgeon. i mean, ffe wfefe— trump and now sturgeon. i mean, ffe wfefe fefee— trump and now sturgeon. i mean, the whole thing is— trump and now sturgeon. i mean, the whole thing is quite extraordinary. - the whole thing is quite extraordinary. look i thought, you— extraordinary. look i thought, wew fwew— extraordinary. look i thought, you know, from _ extraordinary. look i thought, you know, from the start of this feef— you know, from the start of this ffeef fer— you know, from the start of this that her husband— you know, from the start of this that her husband peter murrell , that her husband peter murrell, was that her husband peter murrell, erefeffw— that her husband peter murrell, erefeffw fw— that her husband peter murrell, was probably in very real frewffe— was probably in very real frewffe. f— was probably in very real trouble. i mean, if you raise wewew— trouble. i mean, if you raise money, political— trouble. i mean, if you raise money, political money for a wefw— money, political money for a werw eeeefffe— money, political money for a very specific purpose, which few— very specific purpose, which ffew fff— very specific purpose, which they did about— very specific purpose, which they did about 600 grand to few— they did about 600 grand to ffefef e— they did about 600 grand to fight a referendum and then eeewf— fight a referendum and then eeewf ffee— fight a referendum and then spend the money on something efee— spend the money on something else r— spend the money on something efee . wew— spend the money on something efee . wew wew— spend the money on something else , you may have a problem . else, you may have a problem. freere— else, you may have a problem. ffeere fe— else, you may have a problem. there is also— else, you may have a problem. there is also the— else, you may have a problem. there is also the question of fee— there is also the question of ffe eerewe— there is also the question of the camper van.— there is also the question of the camper van. so whether wfeefe— the camper van. so whether nicola sturgeon _ the camper van. so whether nicola sturgeon is being brought in, nicola sturgeon is being brought r. fefee— nicola sturgeon is being brought ..., fefee eefef— nicola sturgeon is being brought in, being asked to— nicola sturgeon is being brought in, being asked to give a wffweee—

in, being asked to give a witness statement about what her fwefewf— witness statement about what her fwefewf fff— witness statement about what her husband did or— witness statement about what her husband did or whether she's a eweeeef— husband did or whether she's a eweeeef .— husband did or whether she's a eweeeef . ffe— husband did or whether she's a eweeeer . ff-e e— husband did or whether she's a suspect , it's a little bit too suspect, it's a little bit too eerfw— suspect, it's a little bit too eerfw fe— suspect, it's a little bit too eerfw re eew— suspect, it's a little bit too early to say either way. i think wfeef— early to say either way. i think wreef wee— early to say either way. i think what you're seeing is nemesis fefffwe— what you're seeing is nemesis falling, following hubris in very— falling, following hubris in very wefw— falling, following hubris in very werw efeew— falling, following hubris in very, very short order because efee — very, very short order because efee wee— very, very short order because she was riding— very, very short order because she was riding high at absolutely— she was riding high at absolutely the queen of the eeeffe — absolutely the queen of the eeeffe .— absolutely the queen of the castle , bringing in her complete castle, bringing in her complete ferww— castle, bringing in her complete ferww freee— castle, bringing in her complete barmy trans legislation, not werrwfwe— barmy trans legislation, not werrwfwe efewf— barmy trans legislation, not worrying about resignations. it ee ff— worrying about resignations. it was as if she'd— worrying about resignations. it was as if she'd reached that eeefffew— was as if she'd reached that eeefffew ef— was as if she'd reached that position of power, which she fffe-f— position of power, which she fffw-f weef— position of power, which she didn't need to— position of power, which she didn't need to worry. and how fwfeffw— didn't need to worry. and how fwfeffw ffwee— didn't need to worry. and how quickly things have changed. weff— quickly things have changed. weff. wefr— quickly things have changed. well, keir starmer— quickly things have changed. well, keir starmer must- quickly things have changed. well, keir starmer must be looking on this moment and thinking that this is his time because it does seem as though everything is just coming together for him and he's pretty much done very for it . much done very little for it. and a lot of the things he's, he's put forward, he's rowing back on. yeah, look , i mean back on. yeah, look, i mean seeffewf— back on. yeah, look, i mean eeeffewf wew — back on. yeah, look, i mean scotland you know- t yeah, look, i mean scotland you know it's not long ago— scotland you know it's not long eee wfew— scotland you know it's not long eee wfeew ffee— scotland you know it's not long ago when the labour party were ewerewfeef— ago when the labour party were ewerewfeef fo— ago when the labour party were guaranteed 40 seats in scotland . wew-we— guaranteed 40 seats in scotland . ereew-we eewe— guaranteed 40 seats in scotland , they've gone from 40 down to one. fwf— , they've gone from 40 down to one. one. and it's— , they've gone from 40 down to one. one. and it's hard-

, they've gone from 40 down to one. one. and it's hard to think they haven't got a prospect of getting between 20 and 30 seats at the next election. and that changes the whole arithmetic . changes the whole arithmetic. you know, this idea that maybe labour would need coalition partners with the lib dems or whoever else it may be, i don't see it . i whoever else it may be, i don't see it. i think all of this leads us directly towards the big labour majority . it does big labour majority. it does feel that way, doesn't- g ” .«r it does feel that way, doesn't it? i free— feel that way, doesn't it? i mean, the conservative lives are eewfwe— mean, the conservative lives are eewfwe ffeef— mean, the conservative lives are saying that actually the party, the saying that actually the party, ffe swe— saying that actually the party, the snp should— saying that actually the party, the snp should show some feeferefefe— the snp should show some leadership and— the snp should show some leadership and support and wfeefe— leadership and support and nicola sturgeon, whereas the fefew— nicola sturgeon, whereas the fefewr rerew— nicola sturgeon, whereas the labour party is— nicola sturgeon, whereas the labour party is saying humza wwer— labour party is saying humza must come clean— labour party is saying humza must come clean about what he wew.— must come clean about what he knew wew— must come clean about what he knew. you you've— must come clean about what he knew. you you've been a party feefer— knew. you you've been a party leader before— knew. you you've been a party leader before .— knew. you you've been a party leader before . what would you be leader before. what would you be fefee— leader before. what would you be fefee ff— leader before. what would you be fefee ff wew— leader before. what would you be doing if you were— leader before. what would you be doing if you were in— leader before. what would you be doing if you were in humza weweefe— doing if you were in humza yousafs-right- doing if you were in humza yousafs right now ? doing if you were in humza- yousafs-right now ? well, i yousafs shoes right now? well, i wewff— yousafs shoes right now? well, i wewff fwf— yousafs shoes right now? well, i would find out— yousafs shoes right now? well, i would find out .— yousafs shoes right now? well, i would find out . you know, she's would find out. you know, she's currently in custody. i would find out immediately- t t t: iwould find out immediately she was refeeeef— find out immediately she was released whether she was there efwefw— released whether she was there efwefw ee— released whether she was there efwefw ee e— released whether she was there simply as a witness to what her fwefewf— simply as a witness to what her fwefewf reef— simply as a witness to what her husband had done— simply as a witness to what her husband had done or or whether efee-e— husband had done or or whether efee-e fefee— husband had done or or whether she's being held— husband had done or or whether she's being held as a suspect. awf— she's being held as a suspect. awf ff— she's being held as a suspect. awf ff efee— she's being held as a suspect. awf ff efee fe— she's being held as a suspect. and if she is a— she's being held as a suspect. and if she is a suspect, then wwewf— and if she is a suspect, then fwewf reee— and if she is a suspect, then fwewf feee we— and if she is a suspect, then yusuf has no choice. like you to

do yusuf has no choice. like you to fe ffee— yusuf has no choice. like you to fe ffe wefef— yusuf has no choice. like you to do the right thing— yusuf has no choice. like you to do the right thing and suspend ff. — do the right thing and suspend f. f— do the right thing and suspend f. f wewff— do the right thing and suspend it. it would seem— do the right thing and suspend it. it would seem .- do the right thing and suspend it. . 3 �*jrjertn. it. it would seem. well, obviously, as i said, a spokesperson for nicola sturgeon said the former snp leader voluntarily attended an interview with police scotland and that she would cooperate with the investigation. i mean, it just feels like there is a moment in politics, as you said, like kind of madness like a summer kind of madness where all these leaders and where all these big leaders and all charismatic all these big charismatic figures are falling and humza yousaf really , i mean, looking yousaf really, i mean, looking at it, i don't think he can cut it. do you think this is pretty much the end for the snp? yeah, i think they had this— tn.rt.t 3 fry “ yeah, i think they had this meteoric f— i think they had this meteoric f weew— i think they had this meteoric rise. i mean most— i think they had this meteoric rise. i mean most extra ordinary efee— rise. i mean most extra ordinary ewf— rise. i mean most extra ordinary ewf ffeef— rise. i mean most extra ordinary rise and that had— rise. i mean most extra ordinary rise and that had as much to do wffw— rise and that had as much to do wfffe fee— rise and that had as much to do with the absolute— rise and that had as much to do with the absolute weakness of the with the absolute weakness of ffe fefewe— with the absolute weakness of the labour and— with the absolute weakness of the labour and conservative. i fefewe— the labour and conservative. i mean labour mired in corruption eeewfefe— mean labour mired in corruption eeewfefe wewfe— mean labour mired in corruption scandals north of— mean labour mired in corruption scandals north of the border for many— scandals north of the border for many weww— scandals north of the border for many weww wee— scandals north of the border for many, many years. the tories eewefefefw— many, many years. the tories completely disconnected from eeeefe— completely disconnected from eeeefe wewfe— completely disconnected from eeeefe werffe ef— completely disconnected from people north of the border. so fefe— people north of the border. so fwfe ffeef— people north of the border. so into that vacuum— people north of the border. so into that vacuum came the snp . into that vacuum came the snp. but into that vacuum came the snp. fwf f— into that vacuum came the snp. fwf f fefew— into that vacuum came the snp. fwf f ffefwf .— into that vacuum came the snp. but i think , well,— into that vacuum came the snp. but i think , well, number one, but i think, well, number one, i few-f— but i think, well, number one, i few-f eee— but i think, well, number one, i few-f eww— but i think, well, number one, i don't see any prospect of seeffewf— don't see any prospect of scotland leaving the united

wfefew— scotland leaving the united ffwefew. fw— scotland leaving the united kingdom. i'm pleased about it. weww— kingdom. i'm pleased about it. weww ef— kingdom. i'm pleased about it. weww ef ww— kingdom. i'm pleased about it. many of my friends are very efeeeeef— many of my friends are very cheesed off— many of my friends are very cheesed off because they say fffefe— cheesed off because they say fffefe ffee— cheesed off because they say ditch the scots— cheesed off because they say ditch the scots and cut for few. — ditch the scots and cut for income tax. but- ditch the scots and cut for income tax. but i think the wefere— income tax. but i think the union should— income tax. but i think the union should be maintained and feet.— union should be maintained and feet. free— union should be maintained and feet. ffe ewr— union should be maintained and look, the snp won't lose all feefe— look, the snp won't lose all ffeefr eweeere— look, the snp won't lose all ffeefr eweeerr .— look, the snp won't lose all their support . you know there is their support. you know there is freere— their support. you know there is ffeere fe— their support. you know there is ffeere fe e— their support. you know there is there is a momentum for eeeereffew— there is a momentum for separation from the united wfefew— separation from the united ffwefew. freew— separation from the united kingdom. they will still wfefewer— kingdom. they will still whatever happens, they will effff— whatever happens, they will effff ewe— whatever happens, they will still come back— whatever happens, they will still come back at the next efeeffew— still come back at the next election with— still come back at the next election with reasonable, election with a reasonable, wewfe— election with a reasonable, maybe considerable number maybe even considerable number of maybe even considerable number ef fffe— maybe even considerable number ef fffe .— maybe even considerable number ef fffe . fwf— maybe even considerable number ef fffe . fwf ee— maybe even considerable number of mps . but as for— maybe even considerable number of mps . but as for them being in of mps. but as for them being in a of mps. but as for them being in e eeefffew— of mps. but as for them being in e eeefffew fe— of mps. but as for them being in a position to push— of mps. but as for them being in a position to push a— of mps. but as for them being in a position to push a second refeerewwf— a position to push a second referendum, that now is for the fffe— referendum, that now is for the ffrfe ewf— referendum, that now is for the birds and with— referendum, that now is for the birds and with regard obviously for birds and with regard obviously fer ewewer.— birds and with regard obviously for starmer, he's— birds and with regard obviously for starmer, he's the beneficiary- for starmer, he's the beneficiary of a lot of this feee— beneficiary of a lot of this feee f— beneficiary of a lot of this because i don't- beneficiary of a lot of this because i don't see any other eerffee— because i don't see any other eerrfee ffeef— because i don't see any other parties that really are in a eeefffew— parties that really are in a eeefffew er— parties that really are in a position or that- parties that really are in a position or that the scottish eeeefe— position or that the scottish eeeefe wfff— position or that the scottish people will vote for. trtyr people will vote for. they eerfefefw— people will vote for. they certainly voting certainly won't be voting for the most people the tory party. most people are probably tory probably not voting for the tory party. conservative party. even conservative supporters you supporters themselves. or do you think that with regard to some of policies that the labour of the policies that the labour party are back keir party are rowing back on keir starmer with his you starmer has come up with his you know, come up with this no know, he's come up with this no more sea oil more drilling of north sea oil and gas. do you think that he's now to back now going to have to roll back again another one of his

again on yet another one of his ideas? as i was surprised by some of this, i thought he'd do a blair and just say, let's not frighten the horses economically at all. clearly that north sea few— at all. clearly that north sea few ew— at all. clearly that north sea ban on drilling— at all. clearly that north sea ban on drilling was- clearly that north sea ban on drilling was meant to be red ban on drilling was meant to be ref weef— ban on drilling was meant to be ref weef fe— ban on drilling was meant to be red meat to the— ban on drilling was meant to be red meat to the left of the party _ red meat to the left of the eerfw. fef-e— red meat to the left of the party. let's pacify the left. fef-e— party. let's pacify the left. fef-e efeew— party. let's pacify the left. let's show ahead of the election ffeef— let's show ahead of the election ffeef we— let's show ahead of the election that we united _ let's show ahead of the election that we united as— let's show ahead of the election that we united as a— let's show ahead of the election that we united as a party. there are no, you know,— that we united as a party. there are no, you know, disparate voices, unlike— are no, you know, disparate voices, unlike the tories who are permanently— voices, unlike the tories who are permanently in civil war. em.— are permanently in civil war. ffw. wee— are permanently in civil war. um, you're right.— are permanently in civil war. um, you're right. he is rowing ffeef.— um, you're right. he is rowing ffeef. fwf— um, you're right. he is rowing back. but actually this is about feew— back. but actually this is about freew fwef— back. but actually this is about more than just keir starmer. fffe— more than just keir starmer. frefe fe— more than just keir starmer. frefe fe ffee— more than just keir starmer. this is the whole net zero eferfe— this is the whole net zero eeewfe fe— this is the whole net zero agenda is beginning to unravel as agenda is beginning to unravel ee eeeefe— agenda is beginning to unravel as people realise— agenda is beginning to unravel as people realise it's going to eeef— as people realise it's going to eeef ew— as people realise it's going to cost an absolute— as people realise it's going to cost an absolute fortune and efefeffw— cost an absolute fortune and efefeffw wefe— cost an absolute fortune and globally make no difference at all. globally make no difference at eff. se— globally make no difference at eff. se wee.— globally make no difference at eff. se wee. ff— globally make no difference at all. so yes, it causes starmer a eeefffew.— all. so yes, it causes starmer a problem fwf— all. so yes, it causes starmer a problem, but equally it causes the problem, but equally it causes ffe ferw— problem, but equally it causes the tory government a problem tom— the tory government a problem fee. feee— the tory government a problem too, because they're the ones in eewerwwewf— too, because they're the ones in government that— too, because they're the ones in government that have put much of this government that have put much of fffe fw— government that have put much of fffe fw place— government that have put much of this in place and— government that have put much of this in place and mean if anyone wfwfe— this in place and mean if anyone ffefwfe freere— this in place and mean if anyone thinks there will— this in place and mean if anyone thinks there will be no more manufacture— thinks there will be no more manufacture of— thinks there will be no more manufacture of internal combustion— manufacture of internal combustion engines after 2030, feefer— combustion engines after 2030, fereef ff.— combustion engines after 2030, forget it. there—

combustion engines after 2030, forget it. there will be, of course, of course. t . course, of course. i mean, it seems a ludicrous policy and most people will be rowing back on that one. well, sir nigel, also joining me live is martin daubney i martin has daubney and i know martin has has for you well. has a question for you as well. martin boss. just martin yeah, hello, boss. i just wewf— martin yeah, hello, boss. i just wewf fe— martin yeah, hello, boss. i just wewf fe eef— martin yeah, hello, boss. i just wewf fe eef wew— martin yeah, hello, boss. i just want to ask you one of the fffwefewe— want to ask you one of the illusions-the- want to ask you one of the illusions the snp also sell illusions that the snp also sell to-electorate _ illusions that the snp also sell to-electoratelthe- to the electorate is the ereeeeef— to the electorate is the prospect rejoining the prospect of rejoining the fwreeeew— prospect of rejoining the european that also prospect of rejoining the- european-that also now european union, that also now wwer— european union, that also now wwef fe— european union, that also now wwef fe ew— european union, that also now must be an absolute tatters as weff— must be an absolute tatters as weff. free— must be an absolute tatters as well. the whole— must be an absolute tatters as well. the whole policy was erew — well. the whole policy was erew f— well. the whole policy was crazy. i mean,— well. the whole policy was crazy. i mean, how- well. the whole policy was crazy. i mean, how they were allowed in 2014 to call it an independence referendum, but all they wanted to do was substitute westminster for brussels. i could never, ever get my head around that. i guess it was the sheer laziness and capture of much of that. edinburgh based scottish media. um look, you know, rejoining the eu as an out there policy doesn't work . the there policy doesn't work. the dangen there policy doesn't work. the danger, though, martin, is that the tories have made clear under starmer that, number one, they don't want to get rid of any more eu rules. so we're so , uh, more eu rules. so we're so, uh, we're so at the moment we're so

convergent with the eu rules that it makes a labour government very easy to sign up once again to the single market. and then we say, well, hang on, we're taking their rules , but we're taking their rules, but having no say , maybe we'll have having no say, maybe we'll have an associate membership . and an associate membership. and then years on from that , maybe then years on from that, maybe we'll go the membership . so we'll go the membership. so there is a possibility that the brexit fight may i hope not, but it may happen again . well, we'll it may happen again. well, we'll see. we'll it may happen again. well, we'll we-ff efew— it may happen again. well, we'll see. we'll stay with— it may happen again. well, we'll see. we'll stay with this,- see. we'll stay with this, feewee.— see. we'll stay with this, though, because, nigel, i've efee— though, because, nigel, i've efee eef— though, because, nigel, i've efee eef ffee— though, because, nigel, i've also got the other nigel here. wfeef— also got the other nigel here. wfeef wefeew.— also got the other nigel here. nigel nelson. nigel nelson, i fwew— nigel nelson. nigel nelson, i knew wew— nigel nelson. nigel nelson, i fwew wew wewf— nigel nelson. nigel nelson, i know you want to pose a question to- _ know you want to pose a question fe- weef.— know you want to pose a question fe- weef. ffeef.— know you want to pose a question to- yeah. nigel, would. know you want to pose a question| to- yeah. nigel, would you to nigel. yeah. nigel, would you would things have would you think that things have changed since the 2014 referendum, which means that the scots should they want independence? do have a right to another referendum . um, once in another referendum. um, once in another referendum. um, once in e eewereffew— another referendum. um, once in e eewereffew .— another referendum. um, once in a generation . nigel— another referendum. um, once in a generation . nigel is— ”rt;�*"rt;”rt;tr3.. um, once in a generation . nigel is once in a generation. nigel is once in a eewereffew— a generation. nigel is once in a eewereffew .— a generation. nigel is once in a eewereffew . few— a generation. nigel is once in a generation . you know, we're not generation. you know, we're not e feeefe— generation. you know, we're not even a decade on— generation. you know, we're not even a decade on from that. um, ewf— even a decade on from that. um, ewf ffe— even a decade on from that. um, ewf ff-e fwwww— even a decade on from that. um, and it's funny, isn't— even a decade on from that. um, and it's funny, isn't it? i mean efwreeew— and it's funny, isn't it? i mean efwreeew ef— and it's funny, isn't it? i mean sturgeon of course, opposed the reewff— sturgeon of course, opposed the reewff ef— sturgeon of course, opposed the reewff ef e— sturgeon of course, opposed the result of a scottish—

sturgeon of course, opposed the result of a scottish referendum , unfr— result of a scottish referendum . ewf— result of a scottish referendum . ewf ffee— result of a scottish referendum , um, and the result of national reererewwff— , um, and the result of national referendum. no— , um, and the result of national referendum. no democratic referewfww— referendum. no democratic referendum ever seemed to please her. referendum ever seemed to please feer. we— referendum ever seemed to please feer. we — referendum ever seemed to please feer. we reef.— referendum ever seemed to please her. no no. look, if— referendum ever seemed to please her. no no. look, if you're going— her. no no. look, if you're eefwf fe— her. no no. look, if you're eefwf re feewe— her. no no. look, if you're going to have a- her. no no. look, if you're going to have a these big constitutional— going to have a these big constitutional referendum and it's constitutional referendum and we wefef— constitutional referendum and fee rfefef ffeef— constitutional referendum and it's right that we— constitutional referendum and it's right that we have them , i it's right that we have them, i wewff— it's right that we have them, i wewff feewe— it's right that we have them, i would have thought a generation efeewff— would have thought a generation efeewff fe— would have thought a generation should be defined— would have thought a generation should be defined as about 25 weee— should be defined as about 25 wee wef— should be defined as about 25 weere wef e— should be defined as about 25 years, not a decade. uh, yeah . years, not a decade. uh, yeah. ffeef.— years, not a decade. uh, yeah. ffeef. f— years, not a decade. uh, yeah. wfeef. f wewf— years, not a decade. uh, yeah. wfeef. f weef fe— years, not a decade. uh, yeah. nigel, i want to ask— years, not a decade. uh, yeah. nigel, i want to ask you- years, not a decade. uh, yeah. nigel, i want to ask you as- years, not a decade. uh, yeah. nigel, i want to ask you as well about this this issue of north sea oil. i mean, it's totemic. it to alex salmond's it was to alex salmond's economic model for independence, self—sufficient , see, through self—sufficient, see, through black . and yet here we are, black gold. and yet here we are, the snp committing economic self—harm by going down the net zero route echoed by the labour party. but surely scottish voters would welcome the prospect of prosperity , of prospect of prosperity, of cheaper energy, of cutting their ties from this green madness , ties from this green madness, bankrupting ordinary people . bankrupting ordinary people. yeah, i mean salmon. salmon had an yeah, i mean salmon. salmon had ere erewwewf— yeah, i mean salmon. salmon had an argument here. _ yeah, i mean salmon. salmon had an argument here. all the oil feee— an argument here. all the oil feee weff— an argument here. all the oil tsars. we'll take— an argument here. all the oil tsars. we'll take the revenue ewf— tsars. we'll take the revenue ewf ffeef— tsars. we'll take the revenue and that means— tsars. we'll take the revenue and that means we can be free ewf— and that means we can be free and independent— and that means we can be free and independent and self—funding. now, there were

all self—funding. now, there were eff eerfe— self—funding. now, there were eff eerfe ef— self—funding. now, there were all sorts of problems here, such as all sorts of problems here, such ee ferefew— all sorts of problems here, such as foreign companies that had fwweefef— as foreign companies that had invested such— as foreign companies that had invested such as?— as foreign companies that had invested such as? actually, the feef— invested such as? actually, the fef-ffee— invested such as? actually, the fact-the english- invested such as? actually, the fact the english border fact that the english border wewf— fact that the english border wewf fw— fact that the english border went in that— fact that the english border went in that direction up the wewfe— went in that direction up the wewf see— went in that direction up the north sea and— went in that direction up the north sea and not in that ffreeffew— north sea and not in that ffreeffew .— north sea and not in that direction , but— north sea and not in that direction , but at least it was direction, but at least it was an economic argument for efewffwe— an economic argument for standing alone. now, when it fe— standing alone. now, when it fe ffee— standing alone. now, when it came to the next— standing alone. now, when it came to the next stage of refwfwe— came to the next stage of refwfwe ffee— came to the next stage of joining the euro, you go to the frewfefe— joining the euro, you go to the trouble. sturgeon— joining the euro, you go to the trouble. sturgeon ditched all of ffeef— trouble. sturgeon ditched all of ffeef fer— trouble. sturgeon ditched all of ffeef fer feer— trouble. sturgeon ditched all of that for her alliance with the eeefffew— that for her alliance with the scottish greens— that for her alliance with the scottish greens and somehow told the scottish greens and somehow told ffe werff— scottish greens and somehow told ffe werff ffeef— scottish greens and somehow told the world that wind— scottish greens and somehow told the world that wind power was going— the world that wind power was eefwf fe— the world that wind power was eefwf re wefe— the world that wind power was going to make scotland a ereeeerewe— going to make scotland a prosperous country and i think the prosperous country and i think ffe eeefe— prosperous country and i think the scots have— prosperous country and i think the scots have just then efwefw.— the scots have just then actually. do _ the scots have just then actually. do you know what there are actually. do you know what there efewf— actually. do you know what there are about 200,000— actually. do you know what there are about 200,000 jobs in seeffewf— are about 200,000 jobs in scotland reliant directly or fwffreeffw— scotland reliant directly or indirectly on— scotland reliant directly or indirectly on the on the seefffefe— indirectly on the on the scottish oil— indirectly on the on the scottish oil and gas business, ewf— scottish oil and gas business, ewf wew— scottish oil and gas business, ewf wew werf— scottish oil and gas business, and you work that out . the and you work that out. the eeewfeffew— and you work that out. the eeewfeffew ef— and you work that out. the population of 5— and you work that out. the population of 5 million people, is population of 5 million people, fe ff— population of 5 million people, fe ff eww— population of 5 million people, is it any wonder— population of 5 million people, is it any wonder that the snp are is it any wonder that the snp fw— is it any wonder that the snp fw free— is it any wonder that the snp are in the mess— is it any wonder that the snp are in the mess they're in? weff— are in the mess they're in? weff. f— are in the mess they're in? weff. f wewe— are in the mess they're in? well, i mean it's— are in the mess they're in? well, i mean it's a- are in the mess they're in? well, i mean it's a huge thing really. this this particular moment actually in politics with

the whole issue of all these these different things happening . everyone's talking about a landslide labour victory now especially with this. this is probably the final nail in the conservatives coffin. even if they had some sort of opportunity , i think they're opportunity, i think they're right. think that's the end of right. i think that's the end of it. and do see a future for it. and do you see a future for the now well, the tory party now as well, looking situation looking at the situation that we find ourselves now ? the last find ourselves in now? the last couple weeks find ourselves in now? the last couple-weeks we've- find ourselves in now? the last couple-weeks we've been- couple of weeks we've been ffwfwe — couple of weeks we've been ffwfwe fw— couple of weeks we've been living in fantasy— couple of weeks we've been living in fantasy land with with wwef — living in fantasy land with with wwef ef— living in fantasy land with with wwef eflferw— living in fantasy land with with much of tory supporting media, much of a tory supporting media, eewfwe—effu- saying, oh, there's still a eeweew— saying, oh, there's still a chance,-still- saying, oh, there's still a chance,-still a. saying, oh, there's still a chance, still a 30% chance, there's still a 30% eeweew— chance, there's still a 30% eeweefe ffee— chance, there's still a 30% chance the conservative can win a chance the conservative can win e weferfw— chance the conservative can win e weferfew ef— chance the conservative can win e weferfew er ffee— chance the conservative can win a majority at the next election. reefer— a majority at the next election. rereef ff.— a majority at the next election. rereer ff. ffe— a majority at the next election. forget it. it's gone. it's done. we— forget it. it's gone. it's done. we — forget it. it's gone. it's done. it's over. trust— forget it. it's gone. it's done. it's over. trust has- forget it. it's gone. it's done. it's over. trust has been wefew.— it's over. trust has been broken. the— it's over. trust has been broken. the red wall voters have efreefw— broken. the red wall voters have efreefw feeeffw— broken. the red wall voters have already legally divorced themselves— already legally divorced themselves from the conservative eerfw. — themselves from the conservative eerfw. efeww— themselves from the conservative eerfw. efeww wfff— themselves from the conservative party. many will stay at home. sewe— party. many will stay at home. sewe wfff— party. many will stay at home. sewe wfff 90— party. many will stay at home. some will go back to labour and in some will go back to labour and fw ffee— some will go back to labour and in the southern— some will go back to labour and in the southern part of the eewerrw— in the southern part of the eewerrw .— in the southern part of the eewerrw . aff— in the southern part of the country . all i— in the southern part of the country . all i get from people country. all i get from people is country. all i get from people fe wfeef— country. all i get from people fe wfeef. f— country. all i get from people is nigel. i can't— country. all i get from people is nigel. i can't bring myself to is nigel. i can't bring myself fe wefe— is nigel. i can't bring myself fe wefe fer— is nigel. i can't bring myself to vote for them— is nigel. i can't bring myself to vote for them and their any erewwewf— to vote for them and their any erewwewf ffee— to vote for them and their any argument the tories have got and had argument the tories have got and fef john— argument the tories have got and had john redwood— argument the tories have got and had john redwood on my show the effer— had john redwood on my show the effeer ewewfe— had john redwood on my show the other evening, the—

had john redwood on my show the other evening, the john why efeewff— other evening, the john why efeewff f— other evening, the john why should i vote— other evening, the john why should i vote conservative? oh, feee— should i vote conservative? oh, feee ffee— should i vote conservative? oh, because the others— should i vote conservative? oh, because the others are worse . because the others are worse. f-w — because the others are worse. f-w eerfw.— because the others are worse. f-w eerfw. fw— because the others are worse. i'm sorry, i'm bored with all of ffeef— i'm sorry, i'm bored with all of ffeef .— i'm sorry, i'm bored with all of ffeef. f— i'm sorry, i'm bored with all of ffeef. f few-f— i'm sorry, i'm bored with all of that. i don't think— i'm sorry, i'm bored with all of that. i don't think there's ever feew— that. i don't think there's ever been e— that. i don't think there's ever been a moment— that. i don't think there's ever been a moment ,_ that. i don't think there's ever been a moment, literally not in my been a moment, literally not in ww fffeffwe— been a moment, literally not in ww fffeffwe .— been a moment, literally not in my lifetime . um,— been a moment, literally not in my lifetime . um, but westminster my lifetime. um, but westminster was more difficult— my lifetime. um, but westminster was more difficult ,_ my lifetime. um, but westminster was more difficult , affected was more difficult, affected feew— was more difficult, affected frew ffee— was more difficult, affected from the aspirations and fears of from the aspirations and fears ef erffwerw— from the aspirations and fears of ordinary people than it is fwf. — of ordinary people than it is now. and. and— of ordinary people than it is now. and. and ten years ago, you fwew— now. and. and ten years ago, you knew .— now. and. and ten years ago, you knew . f— now. and. and ten years ago, you knew . f fef— now. and. and ten years ago, you know , i led the— now. and. and ten years ago, you know , i led the ukip insurgency know, i led the ukip insurgency feew— know, i led the ukip insurgency frew wefefwe— know, i led the ukip insurgency from nothing to— know, i led the ukip insurgency from nothing to 4— know, i led the ukip insurgency from nothing to 4 million votes ewf— from nothing to 4 million votes ewf feew— from nothing to 4 million votes ewf freew fe— from nothing to 4 million votes and then to on— from nothing to 4 million votes and then to on the— from nothing to 4 million votes and then to on the brexit party ewf— and then to on the brexit party ewf ee— and then to on the brexit party ewf s— and then to on the brexit party and over 5 million— and then to on the brexit party and over 5 million votes. and i do and over 5 million votes. and i fe feffewe— and over 5 million votes. and i do believe that— and over 5 million votes. and i do believe that we're beginning to do believe that we're beginning fe wee— do believe that we're beginning fe fwfe— do believe that we're beginning to move into the— do believe that we're beginning to move into the situation where an to move into the situation where ere fwewreewew— to move into the situation where an insurgency will— to move into the situation where an insurgency will come again, ewefe— an insurgency will come again, ewef fe— an insurgency will come again, ewef fe free— an insurgency will come again, such is the level— an insurgency will come again, such is the level of dissatisfaction in the country, ewf— dissatisfaction in the country, ewf fefe— dissatisfaction in the country, ewf fffe ee— dissatisfaction in the country, and this one could be a lot efefee— and this one could be a lot ffeeer feew— and this one could be a lot bigger than last— and this one could be a lot bigger than last time. well, fwe— bigger than last time. well, f-we eef— bigger than last time. well, f-we eef fe— bigger than last time. well, i've got to ask— bigger than last time. well, i've got to ask you finally, reeffw— i've got to ask you finally, really about— i've got to ask you finally, really about whether you see feee— really about whether you see because obviously with all the wfffe— because obviously with all the news with boris— because obviously with all the news with boris johnson , i news with boris johnson, i eewffw-f— news with boris johnson, i eewffw-fiwew- news with boris johnson, i couldn't-you go- news with boris johnson, i couldn't you go without couldn't let you go without eewee— couldn't let you go without eefwf—wew- couldn't let you go withouti asking—you see couldn't let you go without- asking_you see boris couldn't let you go without asking potentially you see boris couldn't let you go without asking potentially restarting oris johnson potentially restarting a eerfw— johnson potentially restarting a eerfw ewf— johnson potentially restarting a new party and maybe joining with you new party and maybe joining with wew . — new party and maybe joining with wew . fe— new party and maybe joining with wew . fe-fffefwf— new party and maybe joining with you . is-likely? well- you. is that likely? well i think boris is finished in the conservative party. i think to frfeeer— conservative party. i think to

frfeeer e— conservative party. i think to trigger a by—election- i think to trigger a by—election without feewe— trigger a by—election without feefwe ffe — trigger a by—election without facing the music, without eeewfef— facing the music, without erewfwe fefe— facing the music, without arguing his corner in parliament and effectively— arguing his corner in parliament and effectively gifting uxbridge to and effectively gifting uxbridge fe ffee— and effectively gifting uxbridge to the labour— and effectively gifting uxbridge to the labour party and then feffewef— to the labour party and then feffewef by— to the labour party and then followed by a— to the labour party and then followed by a couple of mates ewf— followed by a couple of mates ewf wfee— followed by a couple of mates and who knows— followed by a couple of mates and who knows whether they'll efew— and who knows whether they'll stay conservative _ and who knows whether they'll stay conservative or go lib dem or stay conservative or go lib dem er wfefewe.— stay conservative or go lib dem erwfeefewer. f— stay conservative or go lib dem or whatever. i mean, when you do ffeef— or whatever. i mean, when you do ffeef wwere— or whatever. i mean, when you do that much damage— or whatever. i mean, when you do that much damage ,_ or whatever. i mean, when you do that much damage , when you shoot that much damage, when you shoot wewe— that much damage, when you shoot wewr ew— that much damage, when you shoot wewr effe— that much damage, when you shoot wewr effe fw— that much damage, when you shoot your own side in the— that much damage, when you shoot your own side in the back, you may— your own side in the back, you wew feewe— your own side in the back, you wew feewe wew— your own side in the back, you may have your own fanatical feffewfwe— may have your own fanatical following supporters . but the following of supporters. but the fwfe— following of supporters. but the frwff fe— following of supporters. but the frwff fe ffee— following of supporters. but the truth is the party— following of supporters. but the truth is the party will turn eeewer— truth is the party will turn eeefwef fefw. — truth is the party will turn against him. you know, already the against him. you know, already free ferw— against him. you know, already ffe ferw fffe— against him. you know, already the tory mps calling it mutiny, eerfe— the tory mps calling it mutiny, boris johnson— the tory mps calling it mutiny, boris johnson has— the tory mps calling it mutiny, boris johnson has run out of reef— boris johnson has run out of reef wfffe— boris johnson has run out of road with the— boris johnson has run out of road with the conservative party ewf— road with the conservative party ewf ffee— road with the conservative party ewf ffe were— road with the conservative party and the more he— road with the conservative party and the more he tries to foment efwff— and the more he tries to foment efwff we— and the more he tries to foment efwff ffee— and the more he tries to foment civil war, the more— and the more he tries to foment civil war, the more they will feewe— civil war, the more they will feeffe ffw — civil war, the more they will loathe him and— civil war, the more they will loathe him and never allow him to loathe him and never allow him fe efewf— loathe him and never allow him fe efewf eeefe.— loathe him and never allow him to stand again. so— loathe him and never allow him to stand again. so if he wants to stand again. so if he wants fe feewe— to stand again. so if he wants fe feewe e— to stand again. so if he wants to have a future— to stand again. so if he wants to have a future in politics, ffe— to have a future in politics, ff-e eef— to have a future in politics, ff-e eef fe— to have a future in politics, fr-e eef re fe— to have a future in politics, it's got to be outside the conservative— it's got to be outside the conservative party. and that wewff— conservative party. and that wewff fee— conservative party. and that wewff fe ew— conservative party. and that would be an attempt to complete reefeeee— would be an attempt to complete reshape british— would be an attempt to complete reshape british politics. and he can translate _ reshape british politics. and he can translate his— reshape british politics. and he can translate his own party up if can translate his own party up ff fee— can translate his own party up ff fe wewfe— can translate his own party up if he wants to. _ can translate his own party up if he wants to. but i can erewfee— if he wants to. but i can erewfee wew— if he wants to. but i can promise you it's a very hard fefee— promise you it's a very hard fefee fe— promise you it's a very hard efefwe re fe. — promise you it's a very hard thing to do. i've— promise you it's a very hard thing to do. i've done it more freew— thing to do. i've done it more freew ewee— thing to do. i've done it more than once and— thing to do. i've done it more than once and reform. there .

than once and reform. is there. it than once and reform. is there. ff efefe.— than once and reform. is there. ff exfefe. ffe— than once and reform. is there. it exists. it's got— than once and reform. is there. it exists. it's got six, 7% of fee— it exists. it's got six, 7% of ffe eeffe— it exists. it's got six, 7% of the polls. it's— it exists. it's got six, 7% of the polls. it's got a national efrwefwre. — the polls. it's got a national structure. and _ the polls. it's got a national structure. and it— the polls. it's got a national structure. and it would be for eerfe— structure. and it would be for eerfe fe— structure. and it would be for eerfe fe eef— structure. and it would be for boris to get involved with that. awf— boris to get involved with that. awf f.— boris to get involved with that. awf f. f— boris to get involved with that. awf f. f feewe— boris to get involved with that. and i, i have my— boris to get involved with that. and i, i have my huge disagreements with boris on weww.— disagreements with boris on many weww— disagreements with boris on many, many issues. the net zero eeewfe— many, many issues. the net zero eeewfe fer— many, many issues. the net zero eeewfe fer refe— many, many issues. the net zero agenda for his relaxed attitude fewerfe— agenda for his relaxed attitude fewerfe weef— agenda for his relaxed attitude towards vast millions coming to the towards vast millions coming to ffe eewerrw— towards vast millions coming to the eewerrw ewew— towards vast millions coming to the country every decade . but on the country every decade. but on the country every decade. but on ffe reef— the country every decade. but on ffe reef ffe— the country every decade. but on the real big issue— the country every decade. but on the real big issue ,_ the country every decade. but on the real big issue , the biggest the real big issue, the biggest constitutional— the real big issue, the biggest constitutional issue of our fffeffwe.— constitutional issue of our lifetime, namely brexit, i'm on the lifetime, namely brexit, i'm on ffe eewe— lifetime, namely brexit, i'm on the same side— lifetime, namely brexit, i'm on the same side as— lifetime, namely brexit, i'm on the same side as him . and if it the same side as him. and if it fe— the same side as him. and if it comes to a battle— the same side as him. and if it comes to a battle for him to fefe— comes to a battle for him to save his legacy— comes to a battle for him to save his legacy ,_ comes to a battle for him to save his legacy , then if he save his legacy, then if he wewfe— save his legacy, then if he wewfe fe— save his legacy, then if he wewfe fe ee— save his legacy, then if he wants to go on— save his legacy, then if he wants to go on in politics, he's going— wants to go on in politics, he's eefwf fe— wants to go on in politics, he's eefwf re feewe— wants to go on in politics, he's going to have to— wants to go on in politics, he's going to have to find solutions ewfeffe— going to have to find solutions ewfeffe ef— going to have to find solutions outside of the— going to have to find solutions outside of the tory party and i wewff— outside of the tory party and i wewff eew— outside of the tory party and i would say reform _ outside of the tory party and i would say reform is really the feef— would say reform is really the best possible— would say reform is really the best possible motty well , right. best possible motty well, right. ffeef— best possible motty well, right. ffeef wew— best possible motty well, right. ffeef wew ee— best possible motty well, right. thank you so much— best possible motty well, right. thank you so much for- best possible motty well, right. thank you so much for that, nigel. that's nigel farage. he's a gb news presenter. nigel. that's nigel farage. he's a gb news presenter . thank you a gb news presenter. thank you so is gb news if you so much. this is gb news if you just joined us, welcome on board. it's coming up 49 board. it's coming up to 49 minutes i'm nana minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua. me now is akua. joining me now is political commentator nigel nelson and also martin daubney. well, that was i mean, that was something, wasn't it, really? i

mean, it's interesting that we end with nigel saying that potentially, you know, boris could if he wanted unite with could if he wanted to unite with reform. there's reform. but then there's all the stuff sturgeon. stuff with nicola sturgeon. it really a melting pot of really is a melting pot of things happening the things happening in the political moment. political sphere at the moment. first was an first of all, that was an exeeffewf— first of all, that was an| excellent _with first of all, that was an- excellent-with nigel excellent interview with nigel ewf— excellent interview with nigel ewf-feere— excellent interview with nigel and-there are- excellent interview with nigel and there are going to and i think there are going to be e— and i think there are going to be e freer— and i think there are going to be a great many— and i think there are going to be a great many people out there in be a great many people out there fw ff— be a great many people out there fw ffe wewe— be a great many people out there in gb news land— be a great many people out there in gb news land watching that efewerfwe— in gb news land watching that slavering prospect of a slavering at the prospect of a wwffwfwe— slavering at the prospect of a unifying moment potentially with eeeefe— unifying moment potentially with eeeefe fffe— unifying moment potentially with people like boris— unifying moment potentially with people like boris and nigel fewee.— people like boris and nigel fereee. e— people like boris and nigel rereee. e ew— people like boris and nigel farage, a new act conservative party,— farage, a new act conservative eerfw. wef— farage, a new act conservative eerfw. wef e— farage, a new act conservative eerfw. reef e wef— farage, a new act conservative party, not a net zero conservative- party, not a net zero conservative party, not an open feefere— conservative party, not an open borders conservative party, not the borders conservative party, not ffe fefefeeef— borders conservative party, not the highest taxes— borders conservative party, not the highest taxes since world wer— the highest taxes since world we we. — the highest taxes since world war two. conservative party , but war two. conservative party, but an war two. conservative party, but ere efwef— war two. conservative party, but an actual patriotic— war two. conservative party, but an actual patriotic party that erewfe— an actual patriotic party that efewfe we— an actual patriotic party that efewfe we fer— an actual patriotic party that stands up for the working classes, for— stands up for the working classes, for the- stands up for the working classes, for the small businesses- classes, for the small businesses ,- classes, for the small businesses , for the individual businesses, for the individual wfee— businesses, for the individual wfee wewfe— businesses, for the individual wfee wewfe e— businesses, for the individual who wants a better quality of fffe. — who wants a better quality of fffe. wew— who wants a better quality of fffe. wew ef— who wants a better quality of life. now at the— who wants a better quality of life. now at the moment, this is fffe— life. now at the moment, this is fffe ffwfwe— life. now at the moment, this is fffe ffwfwe .— life. now at the moment, this is fffe ffwfwe . ef— life. now at the moment, this is kite flying . of course it is. kite flying. of course it is. ewf— kite flying. of course it is. fwf wfeef— kite flying. of course it is. fwf wreef e— kite flying. of course it is. but what a prospect that would be e— but what a prospect that would be e wefeerfe— but what a prospect that would be a meteoric return. not with free— be a meteoric return. not with ffe ferfee— be a meteoric return. not with ffe ferfee .— be a meteoric return. not with the tories , but— be a meteoric return. not with the tories , but the forest fire the tories, but the forest fire of the tories, but the forest fire ef ffe — the tories, but the forest fire ef ffe wewf— the tories, but the forest fire of the next general election. awf— of the next general election. awf feew— of the next general election. and then the _ of the next general election. and then the green shoots of

eeweffefwe — and then the green shoots of something new— and then the green shoots of something new that's exciting . something new that's exciting. rwewer— something new that's exciting. freeerer eerfw. — something new that's exciting. another party. nigel,— something new that's exciting. another party. nigel, do- something new that's exciting. another party. nigel, do you see it? well i don't, because i think nigel is absolutely right where he says that. it's very difficult for— where he says that. it's very difficult for small— it's very difficult for small parties to freer— difficult for small parties to break-under- difficult for small parties toi break-under-first break through under the first eeef— break through under the first eeef-ewefew.- break through under the first past system. think past the post system. i think wfeef— past the post system. i think what-johnson- past the post system. i think what johnson has done is what boris johnson has done is he what boris johnson has done is we feeew-f— what boris johnson has done is he doesn't have— what boris johnson has done is he doesn't have a— what boris johnson has done is he doesn't have a strategy, but he doesn't have a strategy, but fee-few— he doesn't have a strategy, but he _few tactics. - he doesn't have a strategy, but he few tactics. and he he has a few tactics. and so he feef— he has a few tactics. and so he fef wefw— he has a few tactics. and so he fef werw few— he has a few tactics. and so he had very few options on friday wewwe— had very few options on friday werwfwe ewf— had very few options on friday werwfwe ewf e— had very few options on friday morning and a lot more by friday ewewfe— morning and a lot more by friday ewewfwe by— morning and a lot more by friday evening by resigning because he got evening by resigning because he eef eff— evening by resigning because he eef rff ef— evening by resigning because he got rid of uxbridge, which he wewff— got rid of uxbridge, which he would never— got rid of uxbridge, which he would never have won , and he would never have won, and he eewff— would never have won, and he eewff fe— would never have won, and he eewff fe ff— would never have won, and he could do it on— would never have won, and he could do it on matter of could do it on a matter of erfwefefe— could do it on a matter of erfwefefe. ff— could do it on a matter of principle. it seems me that principle. it seems to me that all principle. it seems to me that eff ef— principle. it seems to me that eff ef we— principle. it seems to me that all of us this— principle. it seems to me that all of us this afternoon are fefffwe— all of us this afternoon are talking ourselves towards a eeweref— talking ourselves towards a general election , that whatever general election, that whatever feeeewe— general election, that whatever feeeewe fe— general election, that whatever feeeeewe re free— general election, that whatever happens to the conservative party— happens to the conservative ferew ewf— happens to the conservative eerfw ewf fw— happens to the conservative party and i'm thinking in terms of party and i'm thinking in terms ef ffee— party and i'm thinking in terms of the conservative party and effer— of the conservative party and effeer eewee— of the conservative party and other parties, they've got to ffwf — other parties, they've got to ffwf ewf— other parties, they've got to find out what— other parties, they've got to find out what they stand for or wfeef— find out what they stand for or wwef-ere— find out what they stand for or what-are that— find out what they stand for or what are that argument what they are that argument efeewff— what they are that argument should opposition. should be in opposition. well, fef-e— let's see what political commentator- let's see what political- commentator-pearsall has commentator claire pearsall has to commentator claire pearsall has fe eew— commentator claire pearsall has fe eew efewf— commentator claire pearsall has to say about all— commentator claire pearsall has to say about all of— commentator claire pearsall has to say about all of that, feee— to say about all of that, because-us. to say about all of that, because - us now. because she joins us live now. efefe.— because she joins us live now. cfefre. fefe— because she joins us live now. cfefre. ffe wewe— because she joins us live now. claire, big news, nicola- claire, big news, nicola sturgeon has been arrested . sturgeon she has been arrested. there is no sign that she's guilty anything she has guilty of anything and she has not charged with anything

not been charged with anything at what is your take on at all. what is your take on what's ? well, this has what's happening? well, this has been enormous week for been an enormous week for politics. i don't think i've seen quite so much being stuffed into one for an incredibly into one week for an incredibly long time. and i think this is a reeffw— long time. and i think this is a really interesting— .rtrtg . and i think this is a really interesting development wfffe— really interesting development wfff free— really interesting development wfff ffe ewr.— really interesting development with the snp, but it leads us fwfe— with the snp, but it leads us fwfe e— with the snp, but it leads us fwfe e efefee— with the snp, but it leads us into a bigger question of trust into a bigger question of trust fw eeffffee— into a bigger question of trust fw eeffffee ee— into a bigger question of trust in politics as a— into a bigger question of trust in politics as a whole . jetty s”rt; in politics as a whole. why are eeeefe— in politics as a whole. why are eeeefe ee— in politics as a whole. why are people so switched off from politics? well, i think it's fereefw— politics? well, i think it's fereefw wfffe— politics? well, i think it's largely with the - . ts?” well, i think it's largely with the behaviour that we've seen in the— largely with the behaviour that we've seen in the conservative party,— we've seen in the conservative eerfw. eeeeefeffw— we've seen in the conservative party, especially over the last few— party, especially over the last few fewe— party, especially over the last few fewe ewf— party, especially over the last few days and now what's reeeeewfwe— few days and now what's happening in— few days and now what's happening in scotland with the swe— happening in scotland with the swr ewf— happening in scotland with the swf ewf eeeefe— happening in scotland with the snp and people are just not frweffwe— snp and people are just not trusting those— snp and people are just not trusting those politicians to efffeer— trusting those politicians to efffeer feff— trusting those politicians to either tell the _ trusting those politicians to either tell the truth or to fefewe— either tell the truth or to fefewe fw— either tell the truth or to behave in a— either tell the truth or to behave in a certain way. it does feef— behave in a certain way. it does feef ffeef— behave in a certain way. it does feeffreefwew. — behave in a certain way. it does feel that way. i— behave in a certain way. it does feel that way. t sjr 37�* feel that way. i mean the snp though itself has just literally imploding because obviously nicola sturgeon , she left nicola sturgeon, she left suddenly. i thought it was a bit of a sudden departure and then of a sudden departure and then of course all this stuff with her husband and then of course we've had humza yousaf , if we've had humza yousaf, if they're in charge, do you think that the snp are pretty much dead the water? i think this

dead in the water? i think this is a massive blow to the snp and i can't see how they're going to get out of this, but their reputation intact, i really can't. i reputation intact, i really can't . i think humza yousaf is can't. i think humza yousaf is fefee— can't. i think humza yousaf is fefee eff— can't. i think humza yousaf is fefee eff fee— can't. i think humza yousaf is doing all he can— can't. i think humza yousaf is doing all he can at— rt.st . i think humza yousaf is doing all he can at the moment by feeefwe— doing all he can at the moment by keeping quiete— doing all he can at the moment by keeping quiet, remembering that by keeping quiet, remembering ffeef feere— by keeping quiet, remembering ffeef ffeere fe— by keeping quiet, remembering that there is a— by keeping quiet, remembering that there is a police investigation ongoing . so he's investigation ongoing. so he's fefee— investigation ongoing. so he's fefee ewffe— investigation ongoing. so he's doing quite the— investigation ongoing. so he's doing quite the right thing . but doing quite the right thing. but wwfff— doing quite the right thing. but wwfff we— doing quite the right thing. but until we understand and what wfeefe— until we understand and what nicola sturgeon— until we understand and what nicola sturgeon is being accused of nicola sturgeon is being accused ef er— nicola sturgeon is being accused ef er wef— nicola sturgeon is being accused of or not accused— nicola sturgeon is being accused of or not accused of, i think we feewe— of or not accused of, i think we feewe fe— of or not accused of, i think we feewe fe fe— of or not accused of, i think we feewe fe be very— of or not accused of, i think we have to be very, very careful. ewf— have to be very, very careful. fwf f— have to be very, very careful. fwf f fffef— have to be very, very careful. but i think the— have to be very, very careful. but i think the snp have really ewwf— but i think the snp have really fwrwf eff— but i think the snp have really fwrwf eff ef— but i think the snp have really burnt all of their— but i think the snp have really burnt all of their bridges with the eeeefe— burnt all of their bridges with the eeeefe ef— burnt all of their bridges with the people of scotland. they feewee-f— the people of scotland. they haven't delivered on independence , which was their independence, which was their freer— independence, which was their ereef eeffew— independence, which was their one great policy and they seem to one great policy and they seem fe feewe— one great policy and they seem fe feewe wefe— one great policy and they seem to have made a— one great policy and they seem to have made a mess of every effer— to have made a mess of every effeer eerf— to have made a mess of every effeer eew ef— to have made a mess of every other part of the— to have made a mess of every other part of the administration wfffefw— other part of the administration within scotland,— other part of the administration within scotland, whether it be freweeerf— within scotland, whether it be transport, whether it be education _ transport, whether it be education or— transport, whether it be education or whether it be feeffe— education or whether it be feeefffe. se— education or whether it be health. so you— education or whether it be health. so you would look to the weef— health. so you would look to the next election _ health. so you would look to the next election and— health. so you would look to the next election and especially fwfereeffwe— next election and especially interesting is— next election and especially interesting is the by—election the rutherglen _ interesting is the by—election the rutherglen and hamilton west fw—efeeffew— the rutherglen and hamilton west by—election that— the rutherglen and hamilton west by—election that could be weeewfwe— by—election that could be weeewfwe .— by—election that could be weeewfwe . f— by—election that could be upcoming. i think by—election that could be upcoming . i think that will give upcoming. i think that will give you upcoming. i think that will give wew e— upcoming. i think that will give wew e ffewewr— upcoming. i think that will give you a flavour of— upcoming. i think that will give you a flavour of what people you a flavour of what the people of you a flavour of what the people ef—fffwffwe-

you a flavour of what the people of_thinking and- you a flavour of what the people of thinking and the of scotland are thinking and the fwfwre— of scotland are thinking and the fwfwrelffee— of scotland are thinking and the future .the snp _ of scotland are thinking and the future the snp will hang on future of the snp will hang on ffeef. — future of the snp will hang on that. .course_ future of the snp will hang on that. .course that's- future of the snp will hang on that. rt.rtr.. that. of course that's the margaret ferrier by—election. of course was. sort of course she was. she sort of decided to go on a travelling expedition and whilst having covid, which was totally off off the menu, really , and she should the menu, really, and she should have known that, but for some odd reason she decided to do that. see the that. where do you see the labour standing on this? labour party standing on this? because they must keir because they must be keir starmer has literally done pretty wrong and pretty much nothing wrong and come policies that you come up with policies that you rode pretty much rode back on pretty much every time and he now the time. and yet he is now the beneficiary of all this. he beneficiary of all of this. he could sat and could have just sat there and kept which he kept his mouth shut, which he didn't. opened didn't. but even when he opened it, appear to it, he's managed to appear to reap the rewards. he must be quite watching of this quite happy watching all of this . ishould quite happy watching all of this . i should imagine he is having an . i should imagine he is having ere efeefwfefw— i should imagine he is having an absolutely lovely weekend at the an absolutely lovely weekend at ffe wewewf— an absolutely lovely weekend at the moment, sitting there rwfffwe— the moment, sitting there rubbing-hands- the moment, sitting there rubbing hands together and rubbing his hands together and feeffee— rubbing his hands together and feeffee ef— rubbing his hands together and looking at what— rubbing his hands together and looking at what gains he can wefe— looking at what gains he can wefe fw— looking at what gains he can make in scotland , which, as you make in scotland, which, as you remember, labour— make in scotland, which, as you remember, labour used to have a massive—scotland. massive stronghold in scotland and massive stronghold in scotland ewf fwewee— massive stronghold in scotland and through their— massive stronghold in scotland and through their own behaviours lost and through their own behaviours feef ff.— and through their own behaviours feef ff. ffee— and through their own behaviours lost it. the conservative party reeffw— lost it. the conservative party never really understood scotland so never really understood scotland ee feewe— never really understood scotland so have never done— never really understood scotland so have never done particularly weff— so have never done particularly weff feere. — so have never done particularly well there. so _ so have never done particularly well there. so it's— so have never done particularly

well there. so it's now for all fefew— well there. so it's now for all fefewr fe— well there. so it's now for all labour to win.— well there. so it's now for all labour to win. they just have to get labour to win. they just have to eef reeeffeer— labour to win. they just have to get together and _ labour to win. they just have to get together and understand what feefe— get together and understand what ffeefr weeeeefwe— get together and understand what their messaging is— get together and understand what their messaging is going to be. so their messaging is going to be. se ff— their messaging is going to be. se ff wee— their messaging is going to be. se ff e— their messaging is going to be. se ff e wefw— their messaging is going to be. so it was a very good day for wefr— so it was a very good day for keir starmers_ so it was a very good day for keir starmers labour party to feef— keir starmers labour party to feef ew— keir starmers labour party to row back on all— keir starmers labour party to row back on all of their green eeewfe— row back on all of their green efewfe ewf— row back on all of their green agenda and their— row back on all of their green agenda and their fiscal economy and agenda and their fiscal economy ewf eff— agenda and their fiscal economy ewf eff ef— agenda and their fiscal economy and all of those— agenda and their fiscal economy and all of those announcements. it and all of those announcements. ff wee— and all of those announcements. ff fwrfef— and all of those announcements. it was buried under— and all of those announcements. it was buried under the boris rereweew— it was buried under the boris johnson news— it was buried under the boris johnson news ,_ it was buried under the boris johnson news , so that hasn't had johnson news, so that hasn't had any johnson news, so that hasn't had eww eeewfww— johnson news, so that hasn't had eww eerwffww .— johnson news, so that hasn't had eww eerwffww . se— johnson news, so that hasn't had any scrutiny . so i— johnson news, so that hasn't had any scrutiny . so i hope that any scrutiny. so i hope that ereew-ff— any scrutiny. so i hope that ffeew-ff fe— any scrutiny. so i hope that they'll be using— any scrutiny. so i hope that they'll be using this weekend to eefweffw— they'll be using this weekend to eefweffw ewf— they'll be using this weekend to actually put some— they'll be using this weekend to actually put some words referrer.— actually put some words feeeffeer. ewf— actually put some words together, put some policies feeeffeer— together, put some policies reeeffeer .— together, put some policies together . but— together, put some policies together . but let's see, this is together. but let's see, this is feefe— together. but let's see, this is now theirs-lose _ together. but let's see, this is now theirs lose rather than now theirs to lose rather than ewwee— now theirs to lose rather than efwewe-fe— now theirs to lose rather than efwewe-fe wfw- now theirs to lose rather than anyone-to win. - now theirs to lose rather than anyone to win . ' 3 anyone else's. to win. and i fee-f— anyone else's. to win. and i fee-f eee— anyone else's. to win. and i don't see them losing it because even the things they've been saying , nobody seems to saying, nobody seems to be taking notice of them, but taking much notice of them, but they're still gaining ground . they're still gaining ground. for with for example, the policy with regard to north sea oil and gas keir starmer back—pedalled regard to north sea oil and gas kei his armer back—pedalled regard to north sea oil and gas kei his policiesack—pedalled regard to north sea oil and gas kei his policies with)edalled regard to north sea oil and gas kei his policies with regard d regard to north sea oil and gas kei his policies with regard to all his policies with regard to tuition green taxes, and tuition fees, green taxes, and now this latest one. whereas scotland's independence kind of rested on the notion that they would make north sea would make money from north sea oil, think that the oil, do you think that the people scotland will even be people in scotland will even be considering to considering that when they go to the vote ? or do the ballot box to vote? or do you they're probably you think they're just probably had all had enough of the snp after all of this ? think there's

of this? i think there's a there's a little bit of both. there will be those industries ffeef— there will be those industries ffeef ee— there will be those industries that are massively affected by wewfe— that are massively affected by wewfe-ewf— that are massively affected by wewfe-ewf eee- that are massively affected by north and gas and those north sea oil and gas and those fewfffee— north sea oil and gas and those fewfffee wfee— north sea oil and gas and those families who rely— north sea oil and gas and those families who rely it for families who rely upon it for feefe— families who rely upon it for their income— families who rely upon it for their income .— families who rely upon it for their income . but also they're their income. but also they're going— their income. but also they're eefwf-feeffee- their income. but also they're going-looking at- their income. but also they're going looking at the snp going to be looking at the snp eewfwe— going to be looking at the snp reewfwe wef— going to be looking at the snp having not delivered , offered having not delivered, offered wfeef— having not delivered, offered wwef-feew— having not delivered, offered what they promised . so what it was they promised. so i fffef— what it was they promised. so i ffefwf ffe— what it was they promised. so i ffefwf ff-e e— what it was they promised. so i think it's a little— what it was they promised. so i think it's a little bit the same as think it's a little bit the same ee wfffefw— think it's a little bit the same as within the— think it's a little bit the same as within the rest— think it's a little bit the same as within the rest of the united wfefew— as within the rest of the united kingdom ffeef— as within the rest of the united kingdom that they don't like the party— kingdom that they don't like the eerfw ffeef-e— kingdom that they don't like the eerfw freer-e fw— kingdom that they don't like the party that's in power , but party that's in power, but wefefw— party that's in power, but wefefw-fe- party that's in power, but nobody is really exciting nobody else is really exciting ffeew — nobody else is really exciting them either.— nobody else is really exciting them either. so— nobody else is really exciting them either. so i— nobody else is really exciting them either. so i think you'll e reeffw— them either. so i think you'll see a really low— them either. so i think you'll see a really low turnout . people see a really low turnout. people fwef— see a really low turnout. people twef ee— see a really low turnout. people rwef wef— see a really low turnout. people just are not engaged with eeffffee— just are not engaged with eeffffee fw— just are not engaged with politics in that- just are not engaged with politics in that way anymore, eeewere— politics in that way anymore, ewewefe fe— politics in that way anymore, ewewefe re ee— politics in that way anymore, enough to go out to the ballot feee. — enough to go out to the ballot feee. se— enough to go out to the ballot feee. se f— enough to go out to the ballot box. so i think— enough to go out to the ballot box. so i think really labour eeefe— box. so i think really labour weefe fe— box. so i think really labour needs to look— box. so i think really labour needs to look at— box. so i think really labour needs to look at what really wefere— needs to look at what really weffere fe— needs to look at what really matters to those— needs to look at what really matters to those people and come up matters to those people and come we wfffe— matters to those people and come we wfff eeefffe— matters to those people and come up with specific policies for seeffewf— up with specific policies for scotland if— up with specific policies for scotland if they're serious efeewf— scotland if they're serious about winning— scotland if they're serious about winning it or the alternative— about winning it or the alternative is- about winning it or the alternative is he could just do ewewer— alternative is he could just do another u—turn_ alternative is he could just do another u—turn and u—turn the eeffew— another u—turn and u—turn the eeffew wfffe— another u—turn and u—turn the eeffew wfff ff. — another u—turn and u—turn the policy with it. 3j”rt;..«r tn.rt.t . policy with it. pretty much like all the policies that he's come up with . and with regard to up with. and with regard to boris, if we have a quick look at what's happening with boris, do you think that boris will eventually be hounded out of

politics it politics altogether? because it looks you looks that way to me? do you think bother? because think he will bother? because a lot are saying he think he will bother? because a lot try are saying he think he will bother? because a lot try and are saying he think he will bother? because a lot try and stand/ing he think he will bother? because a lot try and stand ing he think he will bother? because a lot try and stand in one he think he will bother? because a lot try and stand in one of�*ie might try and stand in one of the seats in another seat instead own to get back instead of his own to get back himself, politics? himself, back into politics? you think likely think that is that is a likely thing? no,i think that is that is a likely thing? no, i think he's set fire to thing? no, i think he's set fire fe ewew— thing? no, i think he's set fire re ewerw frffee— thing? no, i think he's set fire to every bridge of— tg?’ no, i think he's set fire to every bridge of coming back fwfe— to every bridge of coming back fwfe eerfefwfw— to every bridge of coming back into certainly into— to every bridge of coming back into certainly into conservative eeffffee— into certainly into conservative eeffffee by— into certainly into conservative politics by launching those erewefee— politics by launching those erewefee ef— politics by launching those grenades of by— politics by launching those grenades of by elections onto free— grenades of by elections onto ffe ewewf— grenades of by elections onto the current prime— grenades of by elections onto the current prime minister. i fffef— the current prime minister. i ffefwf fee-e— the current prime minister. i think he's had— the current prime minister. i think he's had his moment and i fffef— think he's had his moment and i ffefwf wfeef— think he's had his moment and i think nigel was— think he's had his moment and i think nigel was quite right with wfeef— think nigel was quite right with wreef fee— think nigel was quite right with wreef fe eeff.— think nigel was quite right with what he said. there's an awful lot what he said. there's an awful fef ef— what he said. there's an awful lot of tactics,— what he said. there's an awful lot of tactics,-no - what he said. there's an awful lot of tactics, no real plan lot of tactics, but no real plan as lot of tactics, but no real plan ee fe— lot of tactics, but no real plan ee fe wfeef— lot of tactics, but no real plan as to what he's— lot of tactics, but no real plan as to what he's going to do weef. — as to what he's going to do weef. ffee— as to what he's going to do next. the problem with setting up a— next. the problem with setting we e ew— next. the problem with setting we e eerfw.— next. the problem with setting up a new party, which is what you— up a new party, which is what wew wee— up a new party, which is what you were speaking to, nigel fereee—fefeei you were speaking to, nigel. farage_takes an farage about, is that takes an ewfwf— farage about, is that takes an ewfwf fef— farage about, is that takes an ewfwf fef ef— farage about, is that takes an awful lot of work— farage about, is that takes an awful lot of work do . and awful lot of work to do. and eerfe— awful lot of work to do. and boris johnson— awful lot of work to do. and boris johnson is— awful lot of work to do. and boris johnson is incredibly good at communication,— boris johnson is incredibly good at communication, but not so wwew— at communication, but not so wet ef— at communication, but not so much at administration. so i wfwf— much at administration. so i fwfwf fwef— much at administration. so i think that he— much at administration. so i think that he will happily go off think that he will happily go eff ewf— think that he will happily go eff ewf fe— think that he will happily go off and be still— think that he will happily go off and be still around the ef— off and be still around the arena of politics, just not ffreeffw— arena of politics, just not directly elected, which probably will directly elected, which probably wfff ewff— directly elected, which probably will suit him _ directly elected, which probably will suit him better. directly elected, which probably will suit him better . ”rt; will suit him better. claire ffeweew.— will suit him better. claire pearsall, thank you very much. good to talk to you. she's a

political commentator. thank you so just joined so much. if you've just joined me, on joining me me, welcome on board. joining me in studio , martin daubney in the studio, martin daubney and nelson . nigel, she and nigel nelson. nigel, she said you had a good idea said that you had a good idea there. surprise, surprise . she there. surprise, surprise. she has say that she's married to has to say that she's married to you. well, has to say that she's married to you . well, it's a question of you. well, it's a question of wwef— you. well, it's a question of we eerfe— well, it's a question of what boris johnson does next. i fweee-e— what boris johnson does next. i mean, there's been— what boris johnson does next. i mean, there's been a lot of eeeewfeffew— mean, there's been a lot of speculation about would he try ewf— speculation about would he try ewf eef— speculation about would he try and get nadine— speculation about would he try and get nadine dorries a seat in wff— and get nadine dorries a seat in mid bedfordshire?_ and get nadine dorries a seat in mid bedfordshire? no no nominations— mid bedfordshire? no no nominations will close by 5:00 tomorrow. there— nominations will close by 5:00 tomorrow. there is— nominations will close by 5:00 tomorrow. there is no way that eerfe— tomorrow. there is no way that eerfe wewweew— tomorrow. there is no way that boris johnson will— tomorrow. there is no way that boris johnson will do that . boris johnson will do that. wfefe— boris johnson will do that. wweff we-e— boris johnson will do that. what? he's left— boris johnson will do that. what? he's left himself open to is what? he's left himself open to fe fe— what? he's left himself open to fe fe ffwf— what? he's left himself open to fe fe ffwf e— what? he's left himself open to is to find a seat— what? he's left himself open to is to find a seat somewhere else . se— is to find a seat somewhere else . se wwef— is to find a seat somewhere else . se we we— is to find a seat somewhere else . so what he really— is to find a seat somewhere else . so what he really needs is not a . so what he really needs is not e eeef— . so what he really needs is not e eeef wffw— . so what he really needs is not e eeef wfff e— . so what he really needs is not a seat with a 7000— . so what he really needs is not a seat with a 7000 majority, wwew— a seat with a 7000 majority, wwfew wew— a seat with a 7000 majority, which you had— a seat with a 7000 majority, which you had in— a seat with a 7000 majority, which you had in uxbridge, which he which you had in uxbridge, which we wewff— which you had in uxbridge, which we wewff feee. — which you had in uxbridge, which he would lose. he— which you had in uxbridge, which he would lose. he needs a seat of he would lose. he needs a seat ef fewee.— he would lose. he needs a seat of 20,000, 25,000. _ he would lose. he needs a seat of 20,000, 25,000. when you have a of 20,000, 25,000. when you have e eeef— of 20,000, 25,000. when you have e eeef eeweew— of 20,000, 25,000. when you have e eeef eeweew ef— of 20,000, 25,000. when you have a good chance of winning it. wwef— a good chance of winning it. wwef f— a good chance of winning it. what i think— a good chance of winning it. what i think will— a good chance of winning it. what i think will happen is that we wew— what i think will happen is that we wew wewe— what i think will happen is that we may have come to the end of the we may have come to the end of we wwwefr— we may have come to the end of we wwwefer ef— we may have come to the end of the number of people who will ewff— the number of people who will quit immediately— the number of people who will quit immediately with nigel wfewe.— quit immediately with nigel adams, nadine dorries but it's werff— adams, nadine dorries but it's werff feeffwe— adams, nadine dorries but it's worth looking at— adams, nadine dorries but it's worth looking at people like sir bill worth looking at people like sir ffff feew— worth looking at people like sir ffff ceew .— worth looking at people like sir bill cash , who's— worth looking at people like sir bill cash , who's announced that bill cash, who's announced that we-e— bill cash, who's announced that we-e eefwf— bill cash, who's announced that we-e eefwf fe— bill cash, who's announced that he's going to leave parliament

at he's going to leave parliament ef fwe— he's going to leave parliament ef fwe weef— he's going to leave parliament at the next election . he could at the next election. he could wefe— at the next election. he could wefe wew— at the next election. he could wefe wew fer— at the next election. he could make way for boris in his seat. wfff-e— make way for boris in his seat. wfffe-ee— make way for boris in his seat. ffff-e-ee we-e— make way for boris in his seat. bill's so he's getting on bill's 82, so he's getting on a fff— bill's 82, so he's getting on a fff. anyway— bill's 82, so he's getting on a fff. anyway we— bill's 82, so he's getting on a bit. anyway, he could make way for bit. anyway, he could make way fer eerfe— bit. anyway, he could make way for boris down— bit. anyway, he could make way for boris down the— bit. anyway, he could make way for boris down the road and the fweeffew— for boris down the road and the fweerfew fwew— for boris down the road and the question then comes down to do ferw— question then comes down to do ferw fffe— question then comes down to do ferw fffe wewf— question then comes down to do tory mps want boris back? my fwereeefew— tory mps want boris back? my fwereeefew fe— tory mps want boris back? my impression is not— tory mps want boris back? my impression is not so whatever eerfe— impression is not so whatever eerfe fe— impression is not so whatever eerfe fe we— impression is not so whatever eerfe fe we re.— impression is not so whatever boris is up to, he— impression is not so whatever boris is up to, he leaves his eeffewe— boris is up to, he leaves his eeffewe eeew.— boris is up to, he leaves his options open, but there could eeeffw— options open, but there could eeeffw fe— options open, but there could easily be closed— options open, but there could easily be closed off by his own party — easily be closed off by his own eerfw. f— easily be closed off by his own eerfw. frwfwf— easily be closed off by his own eerfw. f ewfwf ff— easily be closed off by his own party. i think it might be more fwew— party. i think it might be more rwew fwef. — party. i think it might be more rwew fwef. f— party. i think it might be more than that. i think— party. i think it might be more than that. i think it- party. i think it might be more than that. . gt. than that. i think it might be just the end of the conservative party. they party. as we know them. they don't stand for what a lot of voters believe to be. voters believe them to be. certainly look to the certainly if you look to the kind of on your bike, thatcherism, know, the thatcherism, you know, the entrepreneurial, the aspirational, the nation building, the patriotic party that's dead, they don't exist anymore. well, there are certain mps that have those values. john redwood is one of them, but there aren't many of them left. and so the prospect i think, of building fresh , which building something fresh, which don't forget, italy , you don't forget, in italy, you know, maloney swept in from nowhere . in sweden, a new party nowhere. in sweden, a new party swept in from nowhere in holland , off the back of the farmers

revolution , a party in revolution, a new party swept in from nowhere . now, course, from nowhere. now, of course, that's first past that's difficult with first past the boris at the the post, but with boris at the helm, the donors will be queuing up . and don't forget that nigel up. and don't forget that nigel and boris know a lot of big donors and they share a lot of big friends with big chequebooks . i think that would really motivate voters who want something fresh . they want a something fresh. they want a revolution. we don't want more of the same. we're bored of the same. the none of the above party. apathy , think, a party. the apathy, i think, is a huge, problem. so party. the apathy, i think, is a huge, problem . so what huge, huge problem. so what about you huge, huge problem. so what about-you think— huge, huge problem. so what about-you think that- about so you think that eefewffeffw— about so you think that potentially could potentially boris could go to referw— potentially boris could go to refeww ewf— potentially boris could go to reform and it— potentially boris could go to reform and it could become a eeef— reform and it could become a eeef efweef— reform and it could become a good almost potentially be a eweee— good almost potentially be a eweer eerfw.— good almost potentially be a super party, actually, and be an eeffew— super party, actually, and be an eeffew fer— super party, actually, and be an option for voters— super party, actually, and be an option for voters ? _ super party, actually, and be an option for voters ? �*" option for voters? i think if ffee— option for voters? i think if that happened, there's a lot of leaps of faith here right ? that happened, there's a lot of leaps of faith here right? a lot. now, i know that . but but lot. now, i know that. but but if that happened, i think people out there will be queuing up to vote that party. you think vote for that party. you think so? vote for that party. you think eef-fefew— vote for that party. you think so?-listen, stay- vote for that party. you think so?-listen, stay tuned. so? well, listen, stay tuned. fwfe— so? well, listen, stay tuned. fwfe-fff— so? well, listen, stay tuned. this-gb news.- so? well, listen, stay tuned. this gb news. we're live on this is a gb news. we're live on w,— this is a gb news. we're live on fw—reffei tv, online and on digital radio. we tv, online and on digital radio. we ee— tv, online and on digital radio. we fwe— tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. if you— we are the people's channel. if wew fwef— we are the people's channel. if wew rwef fwwef— we are the people's channel. if you just tuned in,— we are the people's channel. if you just tuned in, just listen to you just tuned in, just listen fe wewe— you just tuned in, just listen re wewr reffe. — you just tuned in, just listen to your radio. literally nicola sfwreeew— to your radio. literally nicola sfwreeew wee— to your radio. literally nicola sturgeon has been arrested

wffwewf— sturgeon has been arrested without charges. we know she's not guilty of anything. stay wwef.— not guilty of anything. stay tuned—still- not guilty of anything. stay tuned._still to. not guilty of anything. stay- tuned._still to come tuned. loads more still to come were— tuned. loads more still to come here ew— tuned. loads more still to come here ew dougie— tuned. loads more still to come here on dougie beattie. don't fewer.— here on dougie beattie. don't fewee-eew— here on dougie beattie. don't forget,-can check- here on dougie beattie. don't forget, can check us out on forget, you can check us out on fwe— forget, you can check us out on ffe—efreew i forget, you can check us out onj the—stream the the gb news app or stream the ewew— the gb news app or stream the ewew ffwe— the gb news app or stream the ewew ffwe ew— the gb news app or stream the show live on youtube. more to eewelfwe— show live on youtube. more to come .the-hour- show live on youtube. more to come .the - hour .- show live on youtube. more to come .the .hour. - show live on youtube. more to come the hour . .3 come in the next hour. good efferweew— come in the next hour. good afternoon to _ come in the next hour. good afternoon to you. _ come in the next hour. good afternoon to you. good evening. i should say it's 5:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom as we have just been hearing, nicola has been arrested by police investigating snp finances. the former first minister is in custody, being questioned by detectives . a questioned by detectives. a spokesperson for the former snp leader says she volunteer . she leader says she volunteer. she attended an interview and has consistently said she will cooperate with the investigation in april, her husband, peter murrell, who was the party's chief executive and ex treasurer colin beattie, were questioned and released without charge pending further inquiries. her home and the snp headquarters were also searched, with police saying removing boxes of evidence was three british

tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off egypt . officials the red sea off egypt. officials say 12 britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides . it's understood the fire guides. it's understood the fire was caused by an electrical short circuit . the foreign short circuit. the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities and is assisting those involved . one of boris those involved. one of boris johnson's allies says the resignations recently of two tory mps wasn't a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister . jacob rees—mogg minister. jacob rees—mogg insists there's no plot against rishi sunak and believes he should remain leader. he also believes mrjohnson should remain leader. he also believes mr johnson could should remain leader. he also believes mrjohnson could easily believes mr johnson could easily get back into parliament at the next election. the former prime minister announced he was stepping down as an mp after being handed the findings of the partygate inquiry. sirjacob says there could be a split though if some mps try to block johnson's return, but admits

things could have been done better. one things could have been done better . one always deserves better. one always deserves ffewe— better. one always deserves ffewe fer— better. one always deserves blame for one's_ one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it wewff— blame for one's own mistakes. it wewff fe— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of me to pretend fwef— would be absurd of me to pretend fwef eerfe— would be absurd of me to pretend that boris hasn't— would be absurd of me to pretend that boris hasn't made mistakes. fwere— that boris hasn't made mistakes. were wee— that boris hasn't made mistakes. were e— that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man— that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter wewfweww— there was a man called peter wentworth who _ there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late 16th eewfwrw— wentworth who in the late 16th eewfwrw wee— wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the fewer— century was locked up in the fewer fer— century was locked up in the tower for saying— century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house of commons, none— tower for saying in the house of commons, none is— tower for saying in the house of commons, none is without fault. no, commons, none is without fault. we. wef— commons, none is without fault. we. wef ew— commons, none is without fault. no, not our gracious queen. the eewff— no, not our gracious queen. the eewff fee— no, not our gracious queen. the same could be said— no, not our gracious queen. the same could be said of boris. wewe— same could be said of boris. wewe fe— same could be said of boris. none is without— same could be said of boris. none is without fault. no, not ereefewe— none is without fault. no, not our gracious boris. that is our gracious boris. that that is frwe— our gracious boris. that that is fewe-ef— our gracious boris. that that is fewe-ef — our gracious boris. that that is true-of us. the- our gracious boris. that that is true of us. our gracious boris. that that is. true-of us. the leader of true of all of us. the leader of the lib dem, sir ed davey, though, people have had though, says people have had enough of the tories. conservatives are totally ffwffef— conservatives are totally ffwffef .— conservatives are totally divided , completely chaotic and divided, completely chaotic and fefffwe— divided, completely chaotic and fefffwe eeeefe— divided, completely chaotic and letting people down when they've got letting people down when they've eef fwe— letting people down when they've eef fwe eeef— letting people down when they've eef rwe eeef ef— letting people down when they've got the cost of living crisis, fwe— got the cost of living crisis, fwe ewefe— got the cost of living crisis, the crisis in— got the cost of living crisis, the crisis in the— got the cost of living crisis, the crisis in the nhs, the conservatives— the crisis in the nhs, the conservatives seem unable to efwe— conservatives seem unable to efwe fwe— conservatives seem unable to efwe rwe feef— conservatives seem unable to give the lead that britain needs . ffeewwfffe— give the lead that britain needs . meanwhile, leave- give the lead that britain needs . meanwhile, leave campaigner nigel farage believes it's the end for boris johnson with the conservatives. however, the gb news presenter told camilla tominey he's been talking to tory mps about potentially joining a new party. the good side of boris, of course, is , side of boris, of course, is, well, just look at today's

newspapers. he's very good at fewfweffwe— newspapers. he's very good at dominating news.— newspapers. he's very good at dominating news. he- he's very good at dominating news. he does have eereewefffw— dominating news. he does have eereewefffw. we— dominating news. he does have personality, he does make people ewffe— personality, he does make people ewffe. awf— personality, he does make people ewffe. awf ff— personality, he does make people smile. and if he— personality, he does make people smile. and if he wants to defend his smile. and if he wants to defend wfe erewf— smile. and if he wants to defend his brexit legacy,— smile. and if he wants to defend his brexit legacy, yeah, well, i wewf— his brexit legacy, yeah, well, i wewf fe— his brexit legacy, yeah, well, i want to defend— his brexit legacy, yeah, well, i want to defend my brexit legacy fee. — want to defend my brexit legacy fee. se— want to defend my brexit legacy fee. se wewff— want to defend my brexit legacy too. so would there be a eeeeffffffw— too. so would there be a possibility of _ too. so would there be a possibility of a- too. so would there be a possibility of a new coming feeefwer— possibility of a new coming reeefwer ew— possibility of a new coming together on the _ possibility of a new coming together on the centre? right? it together on the centre? right? ff wewff— together on the centre? right? ff wewff fee— together on the centre? right? it would be boris— together on the centre? right? it would be boris johnson. fweee-ff— it would be boris johnson. fweee-ff fe— it would be boris johnson. there'll be other mps that would join fw— there'll be other mps that would refw fw wffw— there'll be other mps that would join in with this— there'll be other mps that would join in with this as— there'll be other mps that would join in with this as well. are you— join in with this as well. are you discussed— join in with this as well. are you discussed this with boris wewweewf — you discussed this with boris johnson? not— you discussed this with boris johnson? not with- you discussed this with boris johnson? th:r. t r3 ”rt;rt.. johnson? not with him directly, no. buti johnson? not with him directly, no. but i have discussed- johnson? th:r. t r3 ”rt;rt.. but i have discussed it with no. but i have discussed it with eeeefe—wfw- no. but i have discussed it with eeeefe—wfw. - people very close to him. fwewe— people very close to him. ukraine says— people very close to him. ukraine says its— ukraine says its counter—offensive offensive against russia is underway . against russia is underway. president volodymyr zelenskyy says he's optimistic about regaining lost territory. it's after ukraine claimed its forces had advanced up to 2000m along the front line near the eastern city of bakhmut . russia, though, city of bakhmut. russia, though, is disputing those claims as and the met office is warning that almost a month's worth of rain could fall over parts of the uk in the next 12 hours. it comes as temperatures continue to climb 30 degrees recorded in suffolk earlier and we

understand the temperature could go understand the temperature could 9° up understand the temperature could go up and reach 32. the yellow thunderstorm alerts have been issued for areas in scotland, northern ireland, england and wales, and they'll be in force until 9 pm. tomorrow. and a volcano in hawaii is putting on a spectacular air show, big island erupted early on wednesday . look at that. spewing wednesday. look at that. spewing ash and a river of lava. the volcano located in a closed national park, is one of the world's most active lava. flows are expected to remain confined to the surrounding crater. for this is gb news more as it happens, as always. but now it's back to nana . back to nana. good back to nana. . . good afternoon back to nana. - . good afternoon and ffeef fe wewe.— . good afternoon and welcome. good afternoon and welcome. this is . good afternoon and welcome. fwfe fe-wewe— . good afternoon and welcome. this is- news on _ . good afternoon and welcome. this is- news on tv,- good afternoon and welcome. this is news on tv, online this is a gb news on tv, online ewf— this is a gb news on tv, online ewflffeffef— this is a gb news on tv, online and-digital radio.— this is a gb news on tv, online and digital radio. i'm nana and on digital radio. i'm nana fwwe.— and on digital radio. i'm nana fwwe-fwe— and on digital radio. i'm nana akua.-the-hour. and on digital radio. i'm nana akua.-the-hour ,| and on digital radio. i'm nana. akua.-the-hour , me akua. and for the next hour, me ewf— akua. and for the next hour, me

ewf-wfff— akua. and for the next hour, me ewf-wfff fe- akua. and for the next hour, me and will be bringing and my panel will be bringing you and my panel will be bringing wew-ffeef— and my panel will be bringing you-latestithe- you the very latest on the wfeefe— you the very latest on the nicola-arrest- you the very latest on the nicola-arrest .. you the very latest on the- nicola-arrest . joining nicola sturgeon arrest. joining me nicola sturgeon arrest. joining we fefew— nicola sturgeon arrest. joining we fefew fe— nicola sturgeon arrest. joining me today is broadcaster and ewewer— me today is broadcaster and author hamilton, also author christine hamilton, also author christine hamilton, also e—ewf— author christine hamilton, also a_and journalist. a broadcaster and journalist fewww— a broadcaster and journalist wewww feffw. — a broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. stay tuned. we'll be frfwefwe— danny kelly. stay tuned. we'll be frfwefwe wew— danny kelly. stay tuned. we'll be bringing you all of the fefeef— be bringing you all of the latest with— be bringing you all of the latest with regard to the arrest ewf— latest with regard to the arrest ewf weff— latest with regard to the arrest ewf we-ff fe— latest with regard to the arrest and we'll be also— latest with regard to the arrest and we'll be also speaking to my eeffffeef— and we'll be also speaking to my political editor,— and we'll be also speaking to my political editor, tom harwood . political editor, tom harwood. weff— political editor, tom harwood. weff fweee-e— political editor, tom harwood. well there's been— political editor, tom harwood. well there's been an investigation into snp party ffweweee— investigation into snp party finances and— investigation into snp party finances and possible fraud wfrww— finances and possible fraud within them— finances and possible fraud within them since 2021. that's wfew— within them since 2021. that's when eeffee— within them since 2021. that's when police scotland launched what's known as operation in branch form. it so far led to three arrests, not just nicola sturgeon today, but of course , sturgeon today, but of course, her husband peter murrell , at her husband peter murrell, at the start of april and also the former treasurer of the party as well . so those three arrests well. so those three arrests have taken place, two of them in april. and two released without charge, but also , of course, at charge, but also, of course, at the same time, there have been quite rigorous searches of the party hq and of nicola sturgeon

and peter murrell private home as well . all so some big, big as well. all so some big, big questions in what has been quite a lengthy investigation, which doesn't really show any signs of slowing down as things stand. what we have seen in the last few minutes or so is responses from both the scottish labour party and the scottish conservative party, the scottish labour party. for their part , labour party. for their part, are saying humza yousaf must urgently come clean about what he knew . the current first he knew. the current first minister, of course , has been minister, of course, has been seen as very close to nicola sturgeon. many people cast him as the continuity candidate in the leadership election that took place upon her resignation . on how much did he know? how close was he to the events that that's what the scottish labour party want to know, whereas the scottish conservative party have said humza yousaf must now show some leadership and suspend nicola sturgeon's members ship of the snp. so the scottish

tories calling for humza yousaf to suspend nicola sturgeon as a member of the snp following her arrest earlier this afternoon . arrest earlier this afternoon. that's just a flavour of reaction. north of the border from the political party, liz, but of course we will see potentially some knock on reaction from the people of scotland in what many people expect is a is a rapidly approaching by—election in the seat of margaret ferrier, the mp, the snp elected mp, now independent who was found to have broken all of those covid rules, taking that test meant to isolate, but instead travelling hundreds of miles on public transport across the country. she received a 30 day suspension from the house of commons in the last couple of weeks and that triggers, of course, a recall petition and it could well be that constituents in that her constituents in scotland get to their say scotland get to have their say on the whole mess of scottish politics and indeed the mess within the snp and of course the mess within the whole political spectrum. if you look at it, a lot spectrum. if you look at it, a fef ef—

spectrum. if you look at it, a fef ef fweee— spectrum. if you look at it, a lot of those big— t if you look at it, a lot of those big leaders seem to be fwefefe— lot of those big leaders seem to be implode ing._ lot of those big leaders seem to be implode ing. if— lot of those big leaders seem to be implode ing. if you just tefwef— be implode ing. if you just refwef we— be implode ing. if you just joined us, welcome aboard. it's eewfwe— joined us, welcome aboard. it's. eewfwe—effee coming up to eight minutes after efee. — coming up to eight minutes after efee. wew.— coming up to eight minutes after 5:00. now-always— 5:00. now. it's always interesting _ 5:00. now. it's always interesting find out how we interesting to find out how we are interesting to find out how we eereefwef— interesting to find out how we are perceived outside this eewwfrw— are perceived outside this eewwrrw ewf— are perceived outside this country and across the other effe— country and across the other effe fw— country and across the other effe fw fwe— country and across the other side in the states. so let's go ewf— side in the states. so let's go ewf wewe— side in the states. so let's go ewf wewe e— side in the states. so let's go and have a chat— side in the states. so let's go and have a chat with the host of the and have a chat with the host of ffe-feeefe— and have a chat with the host of the people podcast, and have a chat with the host of the duddridgeple podcast, and have a chat with the host of the duddridge ,.e podcast, and have a chat with the host of the duddridge , to oodcast, and have a chat with the host of the duddridge , to findast, and have a chat with the host of the duddridge , to find out what paul duddridge, to find out what the paul duddridge, to find out what we fefe— paul duddridge, to find out what we fefe fe— paul duddridge, to find out what we fefe fe ew— paul duddridge, to find out what the take is on america in awerfee— the take is on america in america. this— the take is on america in america. this paul, we've had fwe— america. this paul, we've had we ffe— america. this paul, we've had we ffe ee— america. this paul, we've had the big news that— america. this paul, we've had the big news that nicola efwreeew— the big news that nicola sturgeon from snp has been sturgeon from the snp has been erreefef— sturgeon from the snp has been erreefef .— sturgeon from the snp has been erreefef . awf— sturgeon from the snp has been arrested . and of— sturgeon from the snp has been arrested . and of course back arrested. and of course back fwere— arrested. and of course back fweee-eef— arrested. and of course back there-got donald- arrested. and of course back there got donald trump there you've got donald trump wwe— there you've got donald trump wwe wee— there you've got donald trump wwe wee feew— there you've got donald trump who has been arrested and we've wef— who has been arrested and we've fef eerfe— who has been arrested and we've had boris johnson,— who has been arrested and we've had boris johnson, who's been up in had boris johnson, who's been up fw frewf— had boris johnson, who's been up fw frewf ef— had boris johnson, who's been up in front of the— had boris johnson, who's been up in front of the privileges committee _ in front of the privileges committee and his will be committee and his fate will be eeefef— committee and his fate will be eeefef er— committee and his fate will be sealed or unsealed on monday, ewewew— sealed or unsealed on monday, even though resigned now. i even though he's resigned now. i weewlfeee— even though he's resigned now. i mean,.does seem— even though he's resigned now. i mean,.does seem to- even though he's resigned now. i mean, does seem to feel like mean, it does seem to feel like a mean, it does seem to feel like e-eew— mean, it does seem to feel like e-eew ef— mean, it does seem to feel like a-sort of implosion- mean, it does seem to feel like a sort of implosion of all a whole sort of implosion of all fweee— a whole sort of implosion of all fweee ffe— a whole sort of implosion of all these big names— a whole sort of implosion of all these big names and big figures. is these big names and big figures. fe-fwfe— these big names and big figures. fe-fwfe eerf— these big names and big figures. fe-fwfe eew ef— these big names and big figures. is-this sort of news- these big names and big figures. is this sort of news in is this is this sort of news in fwe— is this is this sort of news in we efefee— is this is this sort of news in the states when _ is this is this sort of news in the states when they hear about wfeefe— the states when they hear about nicola sturgeon _ nicola sturgeon or doesn't ewwfefw— nicola sturgeon or doesn't anybody _there i nicola sturgeon or doesn't anybody there ? 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the days when it was only donald trump being arrested and forced to a show trial and now to undergo a show trial and now it's caught on everywhere. everybody's doing it. it's efwewe— everybody's doing it. it's. efwewe—se everybody's doing it. it's- efwewe—se always first in america. so once efer...— always first in america. so once again we— always first in america. so once again, we-leading- always first in america. so once again, we leading the world, again, we are leading the world, efeweerfwe— again, we are leading the world, efeweerfwe fwe— again, we are leading the world, pioneering the new branch of eeffffee— pioneering the new branch of politics where _ pioneering the new branch of politics where political eeeewewfe— politics where political opponents are able to take down. they— opponents are able to take down. ffew few-f— opponents are able to take down. ffew few-f ewew— opponents are able to take down. they don't even need— opponents are able to take down. they don't even need a— opponents are able to take down. they don't even need a vote- they don't even need a vote anymore. they can take down fwefe— anymore. they can take down their opponents— star ttrtr”rt; they can take down their opponents wherever they star ttrtr”rt; they can take down theijust ponents wherever they star ttrtr”rt; they can take down theijust byients wherever they star ttrtr”rt; they can take down theijust by usingvherever they star ttrtr”rt; they can take down theijust by using the ever they star ttrtr”rt; they can take down theijust by using the courtsey star ttrtr”rt; they can take down theijust by using the courts and are just by using the courts and rfffeferw— are just by using the courts and rwffeferw. se— are just by using the courts and rwffeferw. se ff-e— are just by using the courts and judiciary. so it's we're judiciary. so it's a we're ewferfwe— judiciary. so it's a we're ewferfwe e— judiciary. so it's a we're entering a brave new world of eeffffeef— entering a brave new world of political activism,— entering a brave new world of political activism, but yes, no, wfeefe— political activism, but yes, no, nicola sturgeon _ political activism, but yes, no, nicola sturgeon hasn't quite the efewfffeewee— nicola sturgeon hasn't quite the significance of— nicola sturgeon hasn't quite the significance of that, hasn't ewffe— significance of that, hasn't fwffe wff— significance of that, hasn't ewfre wff wef— significance of that, hasn't quite hit yet. but yes, boris wewweew— quite hit yet. but yes, boris johnson definitely talking johnson is definitely a talking eefwf— johnson is definitely a talking eefwf ee— johnson is definitely a talking point over-yeah,- johnson is definitely a talking point over-yeah, so. johnson is definitely a talking point over “43?" point over here. yeah, so they are about boris. point over here. yeah, so they are about boris . and are talking about boris. and then trump then let's talk about trump then, he's been indicted then, because he's been indicted now . again, it's and they're now. again, it's and they're potentially saying that he could spend up to 100 years in prison in what is it that he is supposed to have done.7 it feels like maybe nothing, but they're trying to make out. it is something what is that something so what is it that he's have done.7 well he's supposed to have done.7 well he's supposed to have done.7 well he's a lot of these charges involve espionage . espionage. involve espionage. espionage. okay. so— involve espionage. espionage. okay. so he-s— involve espionage. espionage. okay. so he-s up—

involve espionage. espionage. okay. so he's up for- d espionage. okay. so he's up for 30. i think there-s— okay. so he's up for 30. i think there-s uke— okay. so he's up for 30. i think there's like 37. there's- okay. so he's up for 30. i think there's like 37. there's 37- there's like 37. there's 37 charges. — there's like 37. there's 37 charges. um , emanating from 31 charges. um, emanating from 31 actions, 31 activity. and they basically are covered by the espionage act. and he has been found— espionage act. and he has been found to— espionage act. and he has been found to have— g 1 and he has been found to have mishandled documents— found to have mishandled documents that might have a sensitive— documents that might have a sensitive military nature. et eeew— sensitive military nature. et ceem .— sensitive military nature. et ceem . and— sensitive military nature. et cetera . and threaten- sensitive military nature. et cetera . and threaten the safety cetera. and threaten the safety and security of the united states. and for that, he's been indicted. he's going to appear. i know you've got a whole flurry of activity over there, but he's going actually be in court in going to actually be in court in miami, in federal court in miami on tuesday . okay. to have these on tuesday. okay. to have these charges officially formally put to him. but, yes, he's supposed to him. but, yes, he's supposed to have kyiv threatened the security of the us by this mr farage of documents. et cetera. and like unlike former vice president biden storing similar documents with his corvette , and documents with his corvette, and unlike hillary clinton, smashing devices, according to the fbi, smashing devices as secretary of state with a hammer , can't state with a hammer, can't imagine why she's done that. it's obviously just some sort of sort of happy friday afternoon

fitual sort of happy friday afternoon ritual and nothing to do with trying to secrete any kind of information . but trump uniquely information. but trump uniquely , trump uniquely is a former president who's now being tried under the espionage act. so everything is completely above board , very jolly. nothing to do board, very jolly. nothing to do with the fact this happened on thursday. nothing to do with the fact that the finally the biden documents were released by the fbi to congress, finally to the to the oversight committee . he to the oversight committee. he being invested dating a biden a biden bribery connection . an biden bribery connection. an this is the allegation a $5 billion bribery connection . on billion bribery connection. on that news was released on thursday . but somehow it's been thursday. but somehow it's been kept out . it's been overshadowed kept out. it's been overshadowed by the indictment of former president. well, some say former president. but anyway, but donald trump. well, it'll be interesting— donald trump. well, it'll be interesting to— donald trump. well, it'll be interesting to keep- i: well, it'll be interesting to keep our eyes on that— interesting to keep our eyes on that as— interesting to keep our eyes on that as wet. — interesting to keep our eyes on that as well. thank you very mutt. — that as well. thank you very mutt. that-s— that as well. thank you very much. that's paul duddridge. tet— much. that's paul duddridge. te-s ttt— much. that's paul duddridge. he's the host— much. that's paul duddridge. he's the host-the- much. that's paul duddridge. he's the host the politics he's the host of the politics tetpte— people podcast. thank you so mutt—tutt- people podcast. thank you so much _just joined. people podcast. thank you so much just joined us, much. if you've just joined us, wetome— much. if you've just joined us, welcome on board. we've had some

ttetttng— welcome on board. we've had some ttetttng-tttott— welcome on board. we've had some breaking nicola sturgeon welcome on board. we've had some breaking arrested.)la sturgeon welcome on board. we've had some breaking arrested. she turgeon welcome on board. we've had some breaking arrested. she haseon welcome on board. we've had some breaking arrested. she has not has been arrested. she has not teen— has been arrested. she has not been charged— has been arrested. she has not been charged with anything. she went— been charged with anything. she went voluntarily— been charged with anything. she went voluntarily and we are ttttowtng— went voluntarily and we are following that— went voluntarily and we are following that story here on gb news. — following that story here on gb news. comtng— following that story here on gb news. comtng up— following that story here on gb news. coming up to 12 minutes tttet— news. coming up to 12 minutes tttet-tet-s— news. coming up to 12 minutes after-let's-some- after 5:00. let's get some tetttttn— after 5:00. let's get some reaction from _ after 5:00. let's get some reaction from my panel, author tnt— reaction from my panel, author and broadcaster— reaction from my panel, author and broadcaster christine ttmttton— and broadcaster christine hamilton journalist hamilton and journalist and broadcaster— hamilton and journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. gosh, danny— broadcaster danny kelly. gosh, danny ,— broadcaster danny kelly. gosh, danny, .— broadcaster danny kelly. gosh, nanny, t mean— broadcaster danny kelly. gosh, danny , i mean, look, we are danny, i mean, look, we are tttttng— danny, i mean, look, we are talking about— danny, i mean, look, we are talking about nicola sturgeon tn— talking about nicola sturgeon tn ttt— talking about nicola sturgeon now in this way. _ talking about nicola sturgeon now in this way. she's been arrested.— now in this way. she's been arrested. .,_ now in this way. she's been arrested. i, i— now in this way. she's been arrested. i, i i'm— now in this way. she's been arrested. i, i i'm sort of i'm sort— arrested. i, i i'm sort of i'm sort tt— arrested. i, i i'm sort of i'm sort of thinking,— arrested. i, i i'm sort of i'm sort of thinking, you know, tttttst— sort of thinking, you know, british politics— sort of thinking, you know, british politics feels like it isla— british politics feels like it isle sort— british politics feels like it isle sort ot— british politics feels like it is a sort of edge on is on a sort of edge on a ptettptte— is on a sort of edge on a precipice that's- is on a sort of edge on a precipice that's about to sort of_.._ precipice that's about to sort of_.. about- precipice that's about to sort of_is about to- precipice that's about to sort of_is about to goi of everything is about to go ttt— of everything is about to go over the edge,— of everything is about to go over the edge, really. “tit; over the edge, really. there's an implosion the corner an implosion around the corner in british politics. it was so fascinating to hear your colleague, nigel farage talk about potentially doing a deal. now, i know i'm probably mischaracterising what he said, but, you know, in layman's terms , he's open to approaching boris johnson to maybe have some sort of new political party or to be part of reform. correct . now, part of reform. correct. now, i genuinely think that the conservative party, should they lose at the next election, i can

see the tory party as we know it, not getting into power. maybe ever again because there is an offshoot , if you like, of is an offshoot, if you like, of conservatives who who want brexit doing and doing as they were promised back in 2016. and you know, if you've got big hitters like nigel farage, charismatic individuals with booming big personalities, you've got boris johnson, you've got nigel farage, they will take a lot of conservative voters away with them. and i honestly can see the conservative party ending as it is. do you think ttt— ending as it is. do you think ttts ts— ending as it is. do you think ttts ts t— ending as it is. do you think this is a signal— ending as it is. do you think this is a signal of— ending as it is. do you think this is a signal of the- ti“t: “t; c do you think this is a signal of the end of ttt— this is a signal of the end of the conservatives? but there's not.— the conservatives? but there's not. they-te— the conservatives? but there's not. they're not— the conservatives? but there's not. they're not going to make any— not. they're not going to make any-stttttnt,- not. they're not going to make any scotland, that's any ground in scotland, that's for-scottish— any ground in scotland, that's for scottish people never for sure. scottish people never vote. — for sure. scottish people never vote. tory— for sure. scottish people never vote. tow st— for sure. scottish people never vote. tory so they— for sure. scottish people never vote. tory so they are they're not—ttl vote. tory so they are they're. not—ttt tte not going to pick up any of the stt—mtyte- not going to pick up any of the stt—mtyte not-i snp votes. maybe, maybe not. there-s— snp votes. maybe, maybe not. mews—otter- snp votes. maybe, maybe not. there's other little there's alba, that other little party— there's alba, that other little party—is. party that alex salmond is ttsttng— party that alex salmond is tosttng ,— party that alex salmond is tosttng , te— party that alex salmond is hosting , he may well he hosting, he may well find he gets— hosting, he may well find he gets-pewte— hosting, he may well find he gets-people-thisl hosting, he may well find he. gets-people-this as gets some people from this as wet.— gets some people from this as wet-you— gets some people from this as wet-you ee- gets some people from this as well.-you see this- well. but do you see this as ute— well. but do you see this as ttte ttt— well. but do you see this as like the end— well. but do you see this as like the end of— well. but do you see this as like the end of the tories? eeeauee— like the end of the tories? because there's- like the end of the tories? because there's way they can because there's no way they can get—watt.- because there's no way they can get—watt. tte- get any support? well, the totes.— get any support? well, the tories, current tories, they tories, the current tories, they are they tories, the current tories, they are brought they tories, the current tories, they are brought this they tories, the current tories, they are brought this upon they have brought this upon themselves . one of the reasons themselves. one of the reasons

why party is completely why the tory party is completely riven they riven asunder is because they are not conservative anymore. they are not delivering conservative no conservative politics. so no wonder that the true conservatives , people like jacob conservatives, people like jacob rees—mogg, heard from rees—mogg, who we heard from earlier, they're of the two earlier, they're one of the two conservatives, are are fed up and whole thing is busting and the whole thing is busting asunden and the whole thing is busting asunder. you we've got the asunder. you know, we've got the highest for years. asunder. you know, we've got the high

tateut—ttat- up with a sort of centre right labour—that so. labour style party that so tttteteut— labour style party that so different-of- labour style party that so different-of it. labour style party that so different of it just different factions of it just keep_ different factions of it just keep disseminating into all eate— keep disseminating into all state at— keep disseminating into all sorts of angles— keep disseminating into all sorts of angles and nothing ever happens.— sorts of angles and nothing ever happens--j0inin9_ sorts of angles and nothing ever happens. joining now is happens. but joining us now is our happens. but joining us now is seetttet— happens. but joining us now is our scottish political commentator ian mcwhirter. ian so commentator ian mcwhirter. ian to tag— commentator ian mcwhirter. ian so big newe— commentator ian mcwhirter. ian ea tug tu— commentator ian mcwhirter. ian so big news in scotland , a so big news in scotland, a eututtee— so big news in scotland, a eutpttee tu— so big news in scotland, a surprise in terms of the timing , aet— surprise in terms of the timing , eat a— surprise in terms of the timing , not a surprise— surprise in terms of the timing , not a surprise as— surprise in terms of the timing , not a surprise as the fact that— , not a surprise as the fact that nicola— , not a surprise as the fact that nicola sturgeon has been arrested— that nicola sturgeon has been. attested—mutt arrested without charge. i might ate.— arrested without charge. i might ate-me— arrested without charge. i might add.-me about- arrested without charge. i might add. me about what the add. talk to me about what the reactan— add. talk to me about what the teaetteu te— add. talk to me about what the reaction is there— add. talk to me about what the reaction is there and what really— reaction is there and what teatty tau— reaction is there and what really how you— reaction is there and what really how you feel in terms of seetttet— really how you feel in terms of scottish politics— really how you feel in terms of scottish politics as it moves toward— scottish politics as it moves tetuatt . — scottish politics as it moves forward . well,— scottish politics as it moves forward . well, it's- scottish politics as it moves forward . �*ft�*tiee e f scottish politics as it moves forward . e f forward. well, it's come at a very delicate moment for the scottish national party because it's facing a very difficult by—election in rutherglen in the near future, almost certainly as a result of margaret ferrier, who you may remember, broke covid rules during lockdown and she was suspended by parliament. and that's going to lead to attest— and that's going to lead to almost certainly to a by—election- almost certainly to a by—election and opinion by—election and there opinion patte— by—election and there opinion pette ae— by—election and there opinion polls are waning.— by—election and there opinion polls are waning. and let's put it polls are waning. and let's put tt ae— polls are waning. and let's put tt no stranger— polls are waning. and let's put it no stronger than that support for independence_ it no stronger than that support for independence has not been pattteutattu— for independence has not been particularly damaged as such. but particularly damaged as such. tutluau-t— particularly damaged as such. butldon't think— particularly damaged as such. butldon't think these- particularly damaged as such. but don't think these metrics but i don't think these metrics really grasp the significance of

what's happened with nicola sturgeon being arrested . and i sturgeon being arrested. and i mean, before she g “t; : and i mean, before she resigned as teatet— mean, before she resigned as teatet tu— mean, before she resigned as leader in february , only a few leader in february, only a few matte— leader in february, only a few months age,— leader in february, only a few months ago, she— leader in february, only a few months ago, she dominated and the sut— months ago, she dominated and the snp dominated politics at every— the snp dominated politics at every tevet— the snp dominated politics at every tevet tu— the snp dominated politics at every level in scotland without etatteuee— every level in scotland without challenge from _ every level in scotland without challenge from within or without the patty.— challenge from within or without the patty. tte— challenge from within or without the party. the opposition patttee— the party. the opposition parties, labour and the conservatives- parties, labour and the conservatives flat on their tatte— conservatives flat on their backs aut— conservatives flat on their backs and she'd won eight eteetteue— backs and she'd won eight elections in— backs and she'd won eight elections in a— backs and she'd won eight elections in a row and was was teattue— elections in a row and was was teattue tet— elections in a row and was was heading for another election watery.— heading for another election utetety. thea— heading for another election victory. then she suddenly teuattet— victory. then she suddenly departed the— victory. then she suddenly departed the scene and plunged her departed the scene and plunged tea patty— departed the scene and plunged tea patty tate— departed the scene and plunged her party into chaos and it's aet— her party into chaos and it's not tutt— her party into chaos and it's not just the— her party into chaos and it's not just the chaos. i think eetetu— not just the chaos. i think eetetu tet— not just the chaos. i think solely for scotland because you have — solely for scotland because you have to — solely for scotland because you have to remember— solely for scotland because you have to remember nicola sturgeon was have to remember nicola sturgeon tute— have to remember nicola sturgeon ttte teat— have to remember nicola sturgeon was this real progressive icon on was this real progressive icon an the— was this real progressive icon an the tett— was this real progressive icon on the left, particularly in the mettepetttau— on the left, particularly in the metropolitan media, have always teetet— metropolitan media, have always teetet te— metropolitan media, have always teetet to tea— metropolitan media, have always looked to her as— metropolitan media, have always looked to her as being , you looked to her as being, you tutu,— looked to her as being, you tutu, tute— looked to her as being, you know, this kind— looked to her as being, you know, this kind of perfect figure— know, this kind of perfect ttgute et— know, this kind of perfect ttgute at a— know, this kind of perfect figure of a female politician ute— figure of a female politician who eau— figure of a female politician who te— figure of a female politician who can do no— figure of a female politician who can do no wrong. and here ete— who can do no wrong. and here the te— who can do no wrong. and here the te tetau. — who can do no wrong. and here she is today. she's— who can do no wrong. and here she is today. she's been arrested— she is today. she's been arrested by— she is today. she's been arrested by police. now you tutu,— arrested by police. now you tutu, we— arrested by police. now you know, we are have to repeatedly

street— know, we are have to repeatedly eteee ttat— know, we are have to repeatedly stress that we _ know, we are have to repeatedly stress that we cannot comment in any way— stress that we cannot comment in any way an— stress that we cannot comment in any way an we— stress that we cannot comment in any way on the subject of this investigation. _ any way on the subject of this investigation. the— any way on the subject of this investigation. the police seettant— investigation. the police scotland keep issuing solemn ettete— scotland keep issuing solemn edicts backed— scotland keep issuing solemn edicts backed up— scotland keep issuing solemn edicts backed up by the crown etttee— edicts backed up by the crown otttee eaytne— edicts backed up by the crown office saying that, you know, you— office saying that, you know, you can— office saying that, you know, you taee— office saying that, you know, you can face two— office saying that, you know, you can face two years in prison if you can face two years in prison tt you— you can face two years in prison tt yeu epeeutate— you can face two years in prison if you speculate about the guilt or innocence of— if you speculate about the guilt or innocence of any of the peepte— or innocence of any of the people involved- or innocence of any of the people involved in this investigation. operation branch tenn— investigation. operation branch tern-et— investigation. operation branch tern-at tne— investigation. operation branch form of the evidence form or any of the evidence tnat-e— form or any of the evidence that's involved _ form or any of the evidence that's involved in it. but what tney— that's involved in it. but what tney tan-t— that's involved in it. but what tney cut to,— that's involved in it. but what they can't do, the— that's involved in it. but what they can't do, the police cannot do ,— they can't do, the police cannot ta , te— they can't do, the police cannot ta , te etnpty— they can't do, the police cannot do , is simply deny— they can't do, the police cannot do , is simply deny the do, is simply deny the significance- do, is simply deny the significance of what they've been — significance of what they've been tetne. — significance of what they've been doing. this is hugely damaging— been doing. this is hugely tanagtng te— been doing. this is hugely damaging to the scottish wattenat— damaging to the scottish national party and to the seettten— national party and to the scottish government, particularly- scottish government, particularly to humza yousaf, wne-e— particularly to humza yousaf, wne-e nat— particularly to humza yousaf, who's had his— particularly to humza yousaf, who's had his own difficulties neeentty— who's had his own difficulties neeentty ant— who's had his own difficulties recently and has— who's had his own difficulties recently and has been trying to get nte— recently and has been trying to get nte teet— recently and has been trying to get his feet under— recently and has been trying to get his feet under table. get his feet under the table. ant— get his feet under the table. ant tnte— get his feet under the table. ant tnte te— get his feet under the table. and this is just— get his feet under the table. and this is just another savage ttew— and this is just another savage ttew te— and this is just another savage ttew to we— and this is just another savage blow to his and— and this is just another savage blow to his and their credibility- blow to his and their credibility . blow to his and their credibility. �*ft�*tiee blow to his and their credibility . �*ft�*tiee blow to his and their- credibility . well, i was going credibility. well, i was going to mention him as well, because, as you said, a savage blow to his credibility, which wasn't really level really at a very high level anyway . but what about is it anyway. but what about is it likely that he may find that he's to struggle to he's going to struggle to survive leader and that survive as leader and that perhaps someone like kate forbes, who was the second who

came second in the leadership race, might be a candidate, they that rally behind that people might rally behind because might still because people might still associate nicola associate humza with nicola sturgeon. was obviously he's sturgeon. she was obviously he's obviously continuity obviously the continuity character. yeah, obviously the continuity character . yeah, this obviously the continuity character. yeah, this is obviously the continuity character . yeah, this is why character. yeah, this is why tt-e— character. yeah, this is why we ee— character. yeah, this is why it's so damaging— character. yeah, this is why it's so damaging for- ff yeah, this is why it's so damaging for humza weueat— it's so damaging for humza yousaf because— it's so damaging for humza yousaf because he was the eenttnutty— yousaf because he was the continuity candidate . ti continuity candidate. he was the leadership leadership's choice to replace nicola sturgeon . as to replace nicola sturgeon. as far as we understand it, he was her choice. certainly she backed him very strongly when he prevailed only narrowly over the other candidates in that leadership election. but i don't think kate forbes or any of the others involved in it really would have the stomach to reopen a leadership contest. now while this investigation is continuing , until this is resolved one way or the other, i mean, scottish politics really is on hold and the snp cannot, cannot move, not least because humza yousaf cannot say anything about it and they couldn't conceivably have a leadership election while this investigation is going on.

indeed, just just going through a just going through a by—election in rutherglen, which, as i said earlier, is likely now on the horizon, that's extremely difficult in a position like this, because you know, they have a 5000 vote majority over labour. but labour are very confident of winning back the seat they won it in in recent times and that could start a kind of chain reaction which would lead to the snp losing a whole raft of seats, 10 to 20 seats according to the opinion polls, at the next general election. and there's no real way in which you can get around that until this is this is resolved, which is why so many people in this high reaches of the snp had been pretty obviously attacking the police for conducting this investigation , saying this is, investigation, saying this is, you know, you're interfering in politics here. motty foot was a the former spin doctor for the party and a former communications boss said that you know, he thought this was turning into a wild goose chase . noel dolan, who's a nicola

sturgeon former senior adviser and it actually no no great friend of hers, they fell out rather badly. he is condemned the police in investigation the erection of this forensics tent outside her home. all the rest. the success, the length of time this investigation has gone on. he said that that was a circus , he said that that was a circus, that it's over the top and it's outrageous that the police should be doing this . now, as i should be doing this. now, as i say, you know, we go to jail if we say anything, if we say anything that they don't like about this, they'll be down on us like a tonne of bricks. and this happens. craig this happens. i mean, craig murray, prominent murray, a very prominent scottish blogger, was actually locked for contempt , for locked up for contempt, for passing comments on the previous arrested snp leader, former leader alex salmond, a couple of years ago . so, you know, years ago. so, you know, everyone's everyone's in extreme state of tension about commenting at all about this. but you know , you have to

but you know, you have to comment about the politics. it's unavoidable. it really is. and it's such a time in e. : e ”tie” and it's such a time in politics as wett— it's such a time in politics as wet, wnten— it's such a time in politics as well, which we'll— it's such a time in politics as well, which we'll keep with this stony— well, which we'll keep with this story tn— well, which we'll keep with this story tn tn— well, which we'll keep with this story in in macwhirter. thank you— story in in macwhirter. thank you very— story in in macwhirter. thank you very muon— story in in macwhirter. thank you very much for joining me. he's scottish political he's the scottish political commentator. joining commentator. well, also joining me former brexit party me now is former brexit party mep ben habib. ben thank you very much for joining mep ben habib. ben thank you very much forjoining me. welcome on board here at gb news. just coming up to 22 minutes after 5:00, if you've just in to the that just tuned in to the news that nicola sturgeon been nicola sturgeon has been arrested without charge, of course, habib, your your course, ben habib, your your reaction, please . well it's reaction, please. well it's interesting, isn't it, that her entire time in office, nicola sturgeon, has championed the signalling of all forms of virtue. and signalling of all forms of virtue . and we all know that virtue. and we all know that wntte— virtue. and we all know that wntte ene— virtue. and we all know that while she was— , and we all know that while she was doing that, away— while she was doing that, actually the— while she was doing that, actually the economy , me, the actually the economy, me, the eenoottne— actually the economy, me, the schooling system,— actually the economy, me, the schooling system, the health seawee— schooling system, the health eentee tn— schooling system, the health service in scotland was suffering-— service in scotland was suffering. but- service in scotland was suffering. but she masked all of tnat— suffering. but she masked all of tnat wttn— suffering. but she masked all of tnat wttn net— suffering. but she masked all of that with her virtue signalling. she that with her virtue signalling. sne teeanne— that with her virtue signalling. she became the— that with her virtue signalling. she became the wokeist leader of the she became the wokeist leader of tne tewotwet— she became the wokeist leader of the devolved authorities, tnetuttne— the devolved authorities, including the _ the devolved authorities, including the prime minister. we nave— including the prime minister. we nawe tn— including the prime minister. we have in westminster and all of it have in westminster and all of tt wa— have in westminster and all of it was designed— have in westminster and all of it was designed to hide her

tnattttty— it was designed to hide her tnattttty to— it was designed to hide her inability to govern and now we neattee— inability to govern and now we realise actually— inability to govern and now we realise actually it— inability to govern and now we realise actually it was hiding eonetntne— realise actually it was hiding something much more sinister tnan— something much more sinister tnan tutt— something much more sinister tnan tuet net— something much more sinister than just her ability to govern . nut— than just her ability to govern . out a— than just her ability to govern . but a fundamental failing in etnatent— . but a fundamental failing in straight forward— . but a fundamental failing in straight forward moral rectitude. _ straight forward moral rectitude. you know, here's someone who resigned a few nontne— someone who resigned a few nontne aeo— someone who resigned a few months ago claiming that she'd had months ago claiming that she'd nat enouen— months ago claiming that she'd nat enouen ot— months ago claiming that she'd had enough of politics. she wanted— had enough of politics. she wantet to— had enough of politics. she wanted to spend more time with her wanted to spend more time with net tantty. — wanted to spend more time with net tantty. att— wanted to spend more time with her family. all the— wanted to spend more time with her family. all the usual excuses . but— her family. all the usual excuses . but the reality was she excuses. but the reality was she knew— excuses. but the reality was she knew the— excuses. but the reality was she knew this arrest— excuses. but the reality was she knew this arrest was coming. she must— knew this arrest was coming. she must te— knew this arrest was coming. she must be eonunt— knew this arrest was coming. she must be corrupt and she was hiding— must be corrupt and she was hiding att— must be corrupt and she was hiding all that— must be corrupt and she was hiding all that corruption . and hiding all that corruption. and we nave— hiding all that corruption. and we nawe tnte— hiding all that corruption. and we have this completely blown out ot— we have this completely blown out ot tne— we have this completely blown out of the water.— we have this completely blown out of the water. no, no, no. natu— out of the water. no, no, no. not on— out of the water. no, no, no. not on one— out of the water. no, no, no. hold on one second.- out of the water. no, no, no. hold on one second. of- out of the water. no, no, no. hold on one second. of course it's bad. ben first of it's very bad. ben. ben first of all, to stop you there, all, just to stop you there, obviously , this is a live obviously, this is a live investigation, so we don't comment on what what the outcome could potentially be. but also, nicola sturgeon said and this is from her spokesperson who said that nicola sturgeon said that the former snp leader voluntarily attended an interview with police scotland and that she would cooperate with the investigation. it is pretty practise pretty much standard practise that know, you can be that if you know, you can be arrested, charged.

that if you know, you can be arrestethere charged. that if you know, you can be arrestethere are charged. that if you know, you can be arrestethere are many|ed. that if you know, you can be arrestethere are many people who mean, there are many people who are not charged, are arrested and not charged, including the lovely christine are arrested and not charged, including who ovely christine are arrested and not charged, including who joins christine are arrested and not charged, including who joins meistine are arrested and not charged, including who joins me and; are arrested and not charged, including who joins me and neil, hamilton, who joins me and neil, her they were arrested her husband, they were arrested together charged. so the together and not charged. so the fact hasn't fact is that she hasn't been charged there's no charged yet. and there's no indication there is actual indication that there is actual any real proper evidence for corruption at all. so say she was guilty of this crime. i said she was morally corrupt- was guilty of this crime. i said she was morally corrupt .- g ti i said she was morally corrupt . and g i i said she was morally corrupt . and i she was morally corrupt. and i etu— she was morally corrupt. and i etttt nota— she was morally corrupt. and i etttt nott ty— she was morally corrupt. and i still hold by that.— she was morally corrupt. and i still hold by that. you know, tne— still hold by that. you know, tne way— still hold by that. you know, tne way ene— still hold by that. you know, the way she promoted all these ntnonty— the way she promoted all these minority rights,— the way she promoted all these minority rights, it— the way she promoted all these minority rights, it masked the tattune— minority rights, it masked the tattune ot— minority rights, it masked the failure of snp— minority rights, it masked the failure of snp governance in soottant.— failure of snp governance in scotland. and— failure of snp governance in scotland. and it— failure of snp governance in scotland. and it seems to have naetet— scotland. and it seems to have masked something much more etnteten— masked something much more sinister than _ masked something much more sinister than that— masked something much more sinister than that as well. and tenement you— sinister than that as well. and remember, you had martin daubney on eanten— remember, you had martin daubney on earlier speaking— remember, you had martin daubney on earlier speaking incredibly eenettty— on earlier speaking incredibly sensibly about— on earlier speaking incredibly sensibly about how net zero has tanaeet— sensibly about how net zero has tanaeet tne— sensibly about how net zero has damaged the united kingdom . but damaged the united kingdom. but of damaged the united kingdom. but ot tne — damaged the united kingdom. but of course, the province in the unttet — of course, the province in the united kingdom _ of course, the province in the united kingdom that it's damaged nost— united kingdom that it's damaged most-scotland. _ united kingdom that it's damaged most scotland. scotland has most is scotland. scotland has two— most is scotland. scotland has tne-treasury- most is scotland. scotland has this-treasury just- most is scotland. scotland has this treasury just off this fantastic treasury just off its this fantastic treasury just off to on— this fantastic treasury just off its own shores. _ this fantastic treasury just off its own shores. and she championed— its own shores. and she championed net zero. she is you know,— championed net zero. she is you know ene— championed net zero. she is you know, she issued— championed net zero. she is you know, she issued the fossil tuete— know, she issued the fossil tuete tnat— know, she issued the fossil fuels that would have helped soottant— fuels that would have helped scotland stay— fuels that would have helped scotland stay economically wante— scotland stay economically watte ant— scotland stay economically viable and grow, which would

nave— viable and grow, which would have created— viable and grow, which would have created jobs in scotland, wnten— have created jobs in scotland, wnten woutt— have created jobs in scotland, which would have helped the otoeoenty— which would have helped the onoeoenty ot— which would have helped the prosperity of people who live in soottant.— prosperity of people who live in scotland-that's— prosperity of people who live in scotland. that's the of scotland. and that's the kind of teaten— scotland. and that's the kind of teeter-.— scotland. and that's the kind of teaten-. ant— scotland. and that's the kind of leader-. and when- leader she is. and when she neetenet— leader she is. and when she resigned february, please resigned in february, please ton-t—tttn-t- resigned in february, please. don't—didn't know don't tell me she didn't know two— don't tell me she didn't know tne-on— don't tell me she didn't know tnte-on tne— don't tell me she didn't know this on the horizon. of this was on the horizon. of course-knew- this was on the horizon. of course knew this is what was course she knew this is what was eontne— course she knew this is what was eontne town— course she knew this is what was coming down the— course she knew this is what was coming down the track . that's coming down the track. that's why— coming down the track. that's wny-neetenet— coming down the track. that's wny-neetenet. - coming down the track. that's why resigned . �*ft�*till coming down the track. that's why resigned. �*ft�*till why she resigned. well, she may not have known. she may not have known what was coming down the track. come but track. i mean, come on. but she may known as many of may not have known as many of the probably. the parties, probably. i mean, i was surprised, actually, was very surprised, actually, myself obviously myself, that obviously we realised was coming realised something was coming because two members because the other two members were also arrested. so that was an indication that she may well be next, seeing as she is married to the head of the party. it interesting party. but it is interesting that particular of that this particular time of politics seems be very politics seems to be very disruptive for so of these disruptive for so many of these big big, big leaders, these big, charismatic figures to be charismatic figures seem to be sort dissolved into this sort sort of dissolved into this sort of of nothingness. do you of abyss of nothingness. do you think there's a future for the snp she's gone because snp now after she's gone because we've got humza charge now ? we've got humza in charge now? well, i hope there isn't a tutune— well, i hope there isn't a tutune ton— well, i hope there isn't a future for the _ well, i hope there isn't a future for the snp. you know, nunza— future for the snp. you know, nunza te— future for the snp. you know, nunza to on— future for the snp. you know, humza is on record complaining about— humza is on record complaining about tne— humza is on record complaining about the number— humza is on record complaining

about the number of white people who about the number of white people wno ae— about the number of white people wno tn— about the number of white people who are in various— about the number of white people who are in various offices in soottant— who are in various offices in seottant .— who are in various offices in scotland . what— who are in various offices in scotland . what kind of leader is scotland. what kind of leader is onenty— scotland. what kind of leader is ooenty nanot— scotland. what kind of leader is openly racist against white oeoote— openly racist against white people e— openly racist against white people e so— openly racist against white people e so t— openly racist against white people ? so i hope the snp has no people? so i hope the snp has no tutune— people? so i hope the snp has no tutune nee.— people? so i hope the snp has no future here. i'm— people? so i hope the snp has no future here. i'm sick— people? so i hope the snp has no future here. i'm sick of their wnue— future here. i'm sick of their virtue signalling— future here. i'm sick of their virtue signalling . you know, virtue signalling. you know, tney— virtue signalling. you know, tney wee— virtue signalling. you know, they were promoting a trans gentee— they were promoting a trans genten nanot— they were promoting a trans gender rapist into a female only nneon. — gender rapist into a female only oneon. wnat— gender rapist into a female only prison. what kind— gender rapist into a female only prison. what kind of party is tntee— prison. what kind of party is that we— prison. what kind of party is this? it's lost— prison. what kind of party is this? it's lost its— prison. what kind of party is this? it's lost its compass eonotetety. — this? it's lost its compass completely. it— this? it's lost its compass completely. it doesn't deserve to te— completely. it doesn't deserve to be anywhere— completely. it doesn't deserve to be anywhere near office. they enoutt— to be anywhere near office. they enoutt te— to be anywhere near office. they should be thrown— to be anywhere near office. they should be thrown out. and i hope the electorate _ should be thrown out. and i hope the electorate will— should be thrown out. and i hope the electorate will throw them out. — the electorate will throw them out. 0t— the electorate will throw them out. of course,— the electorate will throw them out. of course, it's— the electorate will throw them out. of course, it's very bad ton— out. of course, it's very bad news for the— out. of course, it's very bad news for the conservatives teue— news for the conservatives because when _ news for the conservatives because when the snp go, as you nenttonet— because when the snp go, as you mentioned earlier— because when the snp go, as you mentioned earlier ,— because when the snp go, as you mentioned earlier , nana, when mentioned earlier, nana, when tney— mentioned earlier, nana, when tney-otte— mentioned earlier, nana, when tney-otttee, tt— mentioned earlier, nana, when they-office, it will- mentioned earlier, nana, when they office, it will be they leave office, it will be tne— they leave office, it will be tne tatout— they leave office, it will be the labour party that pick up the labour party that pick up tne eeeat— the labour party that pick up tne eeate tt— the labour party that pick up the seats. it won't be the tonee. — the seats. it won't be the tonee. so— the seats. it won't be the tories. so it's— the seats. it won't be the tories. so it's been a really tat— tories. so it's been a really bad weekend— tories. so it's been a really bad weekend for- tories. so it's been a really bad weekend for rishi. with the damage— bad weekend for rishi. with the tanaee tone— bad weekend for rishi. with the damage tone ty— bad weekend for rishi. with the damage done by, you know, tonneon— damage done by, you know, johnson johnson's johnson and johnson's euttottete— johnson and johnson's supporters, you know, in the conservative _ supporters, you know, in the conservative party and now wteota— conservative party and now nicola sturgeon going it's all tat— nicola sturgeon going it's all tat ee— nicola sturgeon going it's all bad news for— nicola sturgeon going it's all bad news for rishi sunak , but bad news for rishi sunak, but great— bad news for rishi sunak, but great ee— bad news for rishi sunak, but great news for— bad news for rishi sunak, but great news for sir— bad news for rishi sunak, but great news for sir keir starmer , wno— great news for sir keir starmer , wno naen-t— great news for sir keir starmer , who hasn't really lifted a ttngen — , who hasn't really lifted a finger. thank— , who hasn't really lifted a finger. thank you- , who hasn't really lifted a finger. ttig , who hasn't really lifted a finger. “rites/m“ i“ , who hasn't really lifted a- finger. thank you very much. ben barnaby pretty good to talk to you. he's the former brexit party mep. to great talk to you you. he's the former brexit part now p. to great talk to you

you. he's the former brexit part now p. member talk to you you. he's the former brexit part now p. member ta|reform. j and now a member of reform. all right, some right, well, let's get some reaction you've reaction because if you've just tuned may not have tuned in, you may not have listened to the radio or the tv tuned in, you may not have listefoundt the radio or the tv tuned in, you may not have listefound outs radio or the tv tuned in, you may not have listefound out that 0 or the tv tuned in, you may not have listefound out that nicolae tv and found out that nicola sturgeon arrested. and and found out that nicola stlwe'lli arrested. and and found out that nicola stlwe'll find arrested. and and found out that nicola stlwe'll find out arrested. and and found out that nicola stlwe'll find out whatested. and and found out that nicola stlwe'll find out what myi and and found out that nicola stlwe'll find out what my panel so we'll find out what my panel think that. joining me in the think of that. joining me in the studio, broadcaster christine hamilton , also journalist and hamilton, also journalist and broadcaster kelly. let's broadcaster danny kelly. let's go to christine hamilton there. so, well, more reaction about sturgeon's arrest. really well, it wasn't a surprise . i- g 7 well, it wasn't a surprise . i mean, it wasn't a surprise. i mean, tt-e— it wasn't a surprise. i mean, we a— it wasn't a surprise. i mean, we a eurtnee— it wasn't a surprise. i mean, it's a surprise that it's nattenet— it's a surprise that it's happened this afternoon, eeteetatty— happened this afternoon, especially given it's a sunday. gut,— especially given it's a sunday. tut, t— especially given it's a sunday. tut, t-tt— especially given it's a sunday. tut, t-tt wae— especially given it's a sunday. but, i-it was on- especially given it's a sunday. but, i it was on its way. but, i mean, it was on its way. tnt—tnat- but, i mean, it was on its way. tnt—tnat ten- but, i mean, it was on its way. and—that ben is. and i 100% think that ben is ngnt— and i 100% think that ben is ngnt ,— and i 100% think that ben is ngnt , tnat— and i 100% think that ben is right , that she— and i 100% think that ben is right , that she knew something right, that she knew something was right, that she knew something eontng— right, that she knew something was coming down— right, that she knew something was coming down the tracks. tet-e— was coming down the tracks. tet-e not— was coming down the tracks. tet-e not eay— was coming down the tracks. let's not say she— was coming down the tracks. let's not say she knew exactly, teauee— let's not say she knew exactly, because-allegedly- let's not say she knew exactly, because allegedly et because it's allegedly et cetera— because it's allegedly et. cetera._been cetera. and she hasn't been you know,— cetera. and she hasn't been you know—teen- cetera. and she hasn't been you know, been arrested know, she's only been arrested ant— know, she's only been arrested ant teotte— know, she's only been arrested ant teotte ae— know, she's only been arrested and people are arrested and tney-re— and people are arrested and they're_innocent| and people are arrested andi they're—innocent . and people are arrested and- they're_innocent . and they're completely innocent. and she they're completely innocent. and ene—tuetl she she suddenly resigned just like she she suddenly resigned just ttte ttat— she she suddenly resigned just ttte tnat. tt— she she suddenly resigned just like that. it was— she she suddenly resigned just like that. it was most extraordinary . and then within a extraordinary. and then within a very— extraordinary. and then within a very enort— extraordinary. and then within a very short period— extraordinary. and then within a very short period of time, the nouee— very short period of time, the house-searched- very short period of time, the house-searched .- very short period of time, the house searched . and i house was searched. and i remember saying at the time on the— remember saying at the time on tne—tnt,- remember saying at the time on tnte—tnat, youl this channel exactly that, you know— this channel exactly that, you know ,— this channel exactly that, you tnow , tang— this channel exactly that, you know , nang on— this channel exactly that, you know , hang on minute. nothing know, hang on a minute. nothing has know, hang on a minute. nothing nae teen— know, hang on a minute. nothing has been proved.— know, hang on a minute. nothing has been proved. people have tnetr— has been proved. people have their houses— has been proved. people have their houses searched and there is their houses searched and there te notntng— their houses searched and there is nothing there. _ their houses searched and there is nothing there. so i mean, i'm agreat—

is nothing there. so i mean, i'm a great champion— is nothing there. so i mean, i'm a great champion of innocent and teee— a great champion of innocent and teee proven— a great champion of innocent and less proven guilty— a great champion of innocent and less proven guilty because i've teen— less proven guilty because i've teen you— less proven guilty because i've teen, you know— less proven guilty because i've been, you know, arrested myself . so— been, you know, arrested myself . so t— been, you know, arrested myself . so t know. — been, you know, arrested myself . so i know. but— been, you know, arrested myself . so i know. but it— been, you know, arrested myself . so i know. but it i— been, you know, arrested myself . so i know. but it i also think ten— . so i know. but it i also think ten te— . so i know. but it i also think ben is absolutely— . so i know. but it i also think ben is absolutely right. and i eat— ben is absolutely right. and i eat tt.— ben is absolutely right. and i eat t. t— ben is absolutely right. and i said it. i don't— ben is absolutely right. and i said it. i don't think the snp nae— said it. i don't think the snp nae got— said it. i don't think the snp nae got any— said it. i don't think the snp has got any future up in soottant.— has got any future up in scotland. and- has got any future up in scotland. and i think the dream of independence_ scotland. and i think the dream of independence is shattered. i tntnt— of independence is shattered. i tntnt tney-we— of independence is shattered. i think they've had— of independence is shattered. i think they've had it. i mean , think they've had it. i mean, tanta— think they've had it. i mean, hamza yusuf— think they've had it. i mean, hamza yusuf is— think they've had it. i mean, hamza yusuf is an utterly uncharismatic_ hamza yusuf is an utterly uncharismatic .- hamza yusuf is an utterly uncharismatic . he's just like uncharismatic. he's just like new— uncharismatic. he's just like new swat.— uncharismatic. he's just like rishi sunak. he's not going to, you— rishi sunak. he's not going to, you know,— rishi sunak. he's not going to, you know, rouse— rishi sunak. he's not going to, you know, rouse the troops. tney-we— you know, rouse the troops. tney-we toet— you know, rouse the troops. they've lost their charisma . they've lost their charisma. teater— they've lost their charisma. teater ant— they've lost their charisma. leader and i— they've lost their charisma. leader and i think i think tney-re— leader and i think i think they're finished. and again, as ten— they're finished. and again, as ten eart— they're finished. and again, as ten eatt, tne— they're finished. and again, as ben said, the people who are going— ben said, the people who are gotnglttet— ben said, the people who are going-pick up— ben said, the people who are going pick up votes going to pick up the votes is tatour. — going to pick up the votes is labour. imean_ going to pick up the votes is labour.imean ,— going to pick up the votes is labour. mean , keir starmer, labour. i mean, keir starmer, twe— labour. i mean, keir starmer, t-we atwaye— labour. i mean, keir starmer, i've always said— labour. i mean, keir starmer, i've always said keir starmer , i've always said keir starmer, tne—tre- i've always said keir starmer, tne—nte to- the next election is his to toe.— the next election is his to toe tut— the next election is his to lose. but even— the next election is his to lose. but even keir starmer, in his lose. but even keir starmer, in we wttteet— lose. but even keir starmer, in his wildest dreams can often nave— his wildest dreams can often have imagined— his wildest dreams can often have imagined the last, whatever it have imagined the last, whatever tt te— have imagined the last, whatever tt te te— have imagined the last, whatever tt te to noue— have imagined the last, whatever it is, 48 hours. i— have imagined the last, whatever it is, 48 hours. i mean, it is tuet— it is, 48 hours. i mean, it is tuet a— it is, 48 hours. i mean, it is tuet a rnaeetwe— it is, 48 hours. i mean, it is just a massive majority. is tatttng— just a massive majority. is tatttng tnto— just a massive majority. is falling into his— just a massive majority. is falling into his lap and we're tatttng— falling into his lap and we're talking about— falling into his lap and we're talking about lack of charisma . talking about lack of charisma. wett— talking about lack of charisma. we-tt nave— talking about lack of charisma. we'll have another one. well, tneee— we'll have another one. well, tneee ae— we'll have another one. well, these are all— we'll have another one. well, these are all about timing, ten-t— these are all about timing, tent to — these are all about timing, isn't it? because- these are all about timing, isn't it? i gtie these are all about timing, isn't it? i t;ti isn't it? because you get one that's really high in charisma. it's go out with

it's like when you go out with someone, you go out with somebody you think, somebody who's there. you think, i'm not going do that again? i'm not going to do that again? then the completely i'm not going to do that again? then and the completely i'm not going to do that again? then and that's completely i'm not going to do that again? then and that's com asttely i'm not going to do that again? thenwell,ind that's com asttely i'm not going to do that again? thenwell, this hat's com asttely i'm not going to do that again? thenwell, this ist's com asttely i'm not going to do that again? thenwell, this is whatm asttely bad. well, this is what we've got. so we've seen what happens with yousaf, who the lack of humza yousaf, who is the lack of charisma we saw with boris. now we rishi sunak, we end up with rishi sunak, whose lack of charisma. now whose lack of charisma. and now sturgeon's also of starmer, who's also lack of charisma. we've been talking atout—nau- charisma. we've been talking atout—tat a- charisma. we've been talking- about_had a charisma. about. well, she had a charisma. do she's charismatic? do you think she's charismatic? nicola sturgeon well, she could rouse mean, the rouse the troops. i mean, to the atternattwe— rouse the troops. i mean, to the atternattwe ,— rouse the troops. i mean, to the alternative , she's— i mean, to the alternative , she's massively alternative, she's massively enanenatte. — alternative, she's massively charismatic. but- alternative, she's massively charismatic. : charismatic. but my test would be, do you want to go out for a pint with them? you know, and just looking things just for once, looking at things objectively, of objectively, there's a lot of subjective going on and subjective chatter going on and i admire ben. i'm a big fan of ben's, but i think he should rein things back a little bit because the woman hasn't been charged . and ben , ben charged yet. and ben, ben, ben said moral corruption . how can said moral corruption. how can you how can you conclude that someone is morally corrupt until you know the findings of anything? he's more talking about policies with the about her policies with the gender bill, gender recognition reform bill, which think is just which to me i think is just a ridiculous that's ridiculous thing. no, that's right. that's got out. right. but that's got out. that's to do with that's got nothing to do with point and bring point that out and i did bring that attention. so we

that to his attention. so we were about that. that to his attention. so we were-about that. sol were talking about that. so i tntnt— were talking about that. so i think-where- were talking about that. so i think-where.was. were talking about that. so i think where was going think that's where he was going wttn— think that's where he was going wttn-tnt— think that's where he was going wttn-tnt-tne- with that. and some of the tottetee— with that. and some of thei tottetee—out policies that she's come out wttn— policies that she's come out with, a bit with, which seem somewhat a bit odd ant— with, which seem somewhat a bit ott ant at— with, which seem somewhat a bit odd and at odds— with, which seem somewhat a bit odd and at odds the odd and at odds with the soottten— odd and at odds with the scottish-i- odd and at odds with the scottish i mean, odd and at odds with the. scottish-i mean, the scottish people, i mean, the genter— scottish people, i mean, the gender—reform . gender recognition reform bill, for gender recognition reform bill, tor—ne- for goodness sake, he even ttenttttet— for goodness sake, he even. identified—bryson, identified the fact isla bryson, wno— identified the fact isla bryson, wno wae— identified the fact isla bryson, wno a— identified the fact isla bryson, who was a bloke,— identified the fact isla bryson, who was a bloke, he was a bloke. tnt— who was a bloke, he was a bloke. tnt tnen— who was a bloke, he was a bloke. tnt tnen ne— who was a bloke, he was a bloke. and then he just— who was a bloke, he was a bloke. and then he just changed his name-ttote- and then he just changed his name. _bloke just- and then he just changed his name. bloke just just name. he's a bloke just just teettet— name. he's a bloke just just teettet-on— name. he's a bloke just just decided on arrest that decided that on his arrest that now-woman and- decided that on his arrest that now woman and that that now he's a woman and that that tattng— now he's a woman and that that was taking advantage of eonetntng— was taking advantage of something she was taking advantage of something-she have something that she should have eeen-on— something that she should have eeen-on t— something that she should have seen-oh, i see. - something that she should have seen oh, i see. / seen as a, oh, i see. yeah, she tet— seen as a, oh, i see. yeah, she tied herself. but this what tied herself. but this is what these, rabid lefties do. these, these rabid lefties do. they themselves in knots . they tie themselves in knots. and as you the simple and as soon as you the simple question a woman? you question, what is a woman? you know, they just are petrified. they turn to stone. and they they turn to stone. and there doubt that that lad there was no doubt that that lad is still a lad. the famous photograph a pink photograph of him wearing a pink wig in tight tracksuits. that's a bloke , you know, that's a lad. a bloke, you know, that's a lad. he's lad. he didn't. wasn't he's a lad. he didn't. he wasn't reatty—ne— he's a lad. he didn't. he wasn't reatty—ne tnew- he's a lad. he didn't. he wasn't really—he knew ,- really trying. and he knew, otwouety— really trying. and he knew, obviously with— really trying. and he knew, obviously with recognition obviously with the recognition reorrnt — obviously with the recognition reorrnt ttt,— obviously with the recognition reform bill, made for reform bill, it made way for teotte— reform bill, it made way for teotte-want- reform bill, it made way for people-want to- reform bill, it made way for people want to take people who want to take atwantage— people who want to take advantage course , people who want to take- advantage-course , humza advantage of. of course, humza voueat— advantage of. of course, humza voueat-tett— advantage of. of course, humza yousaf-fell into— advantage of. of course, humza yousaf fell into the trap yousaf also fell into the trap of yousaf also fell into the trap ot tne — yousaf also fell into the trap of the whole— yousaf also fell into the trap of the whole thing about whether wnetner— of the whole thing about whether wnetner teta— of the whole thing about whether whether isla bryson was a woman or not. — whether isla bryson was a woman or not. so— whether isla bryson was a woman or not. so tney— whether isla bryson was a woman

or not. so they are— whether isla bryson was a woman or not. so they are all falling tnto— or not. so they are all falling tnto tnte— or not. so they are all falling into this abyss. _ or not. so they are all falling into this abyss. it's a rabbit note. — into this abyss. it's a rabbit note. tney— into this abyss. it's a rabbit hole. they can't- into this abyss. it's a rabbit hole. "cat i“ e gtie into this abyss. it's a rabbit- hole. they can't get out of it. but keir starmer— hole. they can't get out of it. but keir starmer is— hole. they can't get out of it. but keir starmer is also- hole. "cat tit?“ e gtie e but keir starmer is also in that ratttt— but keir starmer is also in that ratttt note.— but keir starmer is also in that rabbit hole. of— but keir starmer is also in that rabbit hole. of course he is. he eouttn-t— rabbit hole. of course he is. he eouttn-t eay— rabbit hole. of course he is. he eouttn-t eay tt— rabbit hole. of course he is. he couldn't say it about a woman, so couldn't say it about a woman, eo ne-e— couldn't say it about a woman, eo ne-e tne— couldn't say it about a woman, so he's the - he's- so he's the one. he's the tenettetary— beneficiary of all of this. course— beneficiary of all of this. course te— beneficiary of all of this. course he is.— beneficiary of all of this. course he is. sorry- beneficiary of all of this. course he is. sorry fryston what is so extraordinary about sturgeon yousuf is sturgeon and humza yousuf is that see the that they couldn't see the rabbit hole that was approaching. okay. rabbit hole that was approaching. okay . they want to approaching. okay. they want to dye— approaching. okay. they want to gtwe—teotte- approaching. okay. they want to gtwe—teotte ,- give real transgender people, you— give real transgender people, you know,— give real transgender people, you know, space,— give real transgender people, you know, space, etcetera. i unteretant— you know, space, etcetera. i understand all— you know, space, etcetera. i understand all that, but how eoutt— understand all that, but how eoutt-not— understand all that, but how could-not see- understand all that, but how could not see with all could they not see with all wet— could they not see with all their advisors_ could they not see with all their advisors goodness, their advisors and goodness, how eoutt—tnat- their advisors and goodness, how could _that trying. could they not see that trying to-tnat— could they not see that trying to-that woman- could they not see that trying to that woman man, to send that woman to a man, tnat— to send that woman to a man, tnat-a— to send that woman to a man, that-a woman's- to send that woman to a man, that a woman's prison was that man to a woman's prison was a nonsense on stilts,— that man to a woman's prison was a nonsense on stilts, especially wttn— a nonsense on stilts, especially wttn ntn— a nonsense on stilts, especially with him being— a nonsense on stilts, especially with him being a— a nonsense on stilts, especially with him being a double rapist as with him being a double rapist ae wett. — with him being a double rapist ae wett. tt— with him being a double rapist as well. it just— with him being a double rapist as well. e as well. it just makes no sense. but listen, stay tuned. of course, breaking news that course, the breaking news that nicola sturgeon has been arrested been arrested. she has not been charged. spokesperson for charged. a spokesperson for nicola sturgeon former nicola sturgeon said the former snp attended snp leader voluntarily attended an interview with police scotland that would scotland and that she would cooperate with the investigation. well stay tuned. let's more and our let's find out more and get our latest headlines aaron latest news headlines with aaron armstrong .

latest news headlines with aaron armstrong. three latest news headlines with aaron armstrong . three british armstrong. three british tounete— armstrong. three british tourists are _ ' 3 three british tourists are missing after a twe— tourists are missing after a toe toat— tourists are missing after a dive boat burst— tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the dive boat burst into flames in tne tet— dive boat burst into flames in tne tet sea— dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off— dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off egypt. officials say the red sea off egypt. officials eay 12— the red sea off egypt. officials eay rz tntone— the red sea off egypt. officials say 12 britons were rescued atong— say 12 britons were rescued atong wttn— say 12 britons were rescued along with 12— say 12 britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guttee— along with 12 egyptian crew and guttee .— along with 12 egyptian crew and guttee . tne— along with 12 egyptian crew and guides . the foreign office has guides. the foreign office has eonttrnet— guides. the foreign office has confirmed it's— guides. the foreign office has confirmed it's in— guides. the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with tne— confirmed it's in contact with tne tgytttan— confirmed it's in contact with the egyptian authorities and is aeetettng— the egyptian authorities and is assisting those— the egyptian authorities and is assisting those involved . and assisting those involved. and ot— assisting those involved. and ot tone— assisting those involved. and one of boris johnson's allies eaye— one of boris johnson's allies eaye tne— one of boris johnson's allies says the resignations of two tory— says the resignations of two tory tare— says the resignations of two tory mps wasn't— says the resignations of two tory mps wasn't a coordinated attempt— tory mps wasn't a coordinated attempt to— tory mps wasn't a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime tttntetet— attempt to undermine the prime minister, jacob— attempt to undermine the prime minister, jacob rees—mogg says tnere-e— minister, jacob rees—mogg says tnere-e no— minister, jacob rees—mogg says tnere-e no not— minister, jacob rees—mogg says there's no plot against rishi sunat— there's no plot against rishi sunat ant— there's no plot against rishi sunak and that— there's no plot against rishi sunak and that he should remain as sunak and that he should remain ae teaten— sunak and that he should remain ae teater. ne— sunak and that he should remain as leader. he also— sunak and that he should remain as leader. he also suggested, tnougn— as leader. he also suggested, tnougn tnat— as leader. he also suggested, though, that mr— as leader. he also suggested, though, that mr johnson could eaetty— though, that mr johnson could eaetty reurtn— though, that mr johnson could easily return to— though, that mr johnson could easily return to westminster and eoutt— easily return to westminster and eoutt eaetty— easily return to westminster and eoutt eaetty get— easily return to westminster and could easily get back into parliament— could easily get back into parliament at— could easily get back into parliament at the next election . wett— parliament at the next election . wett ae— parliament at the next election . well, as you've— parliament at the next election . well, as you've just been neanng,— . well, as you've just been hearing, nicola— . well, as you've just been hearing, nicola sturgeon has teen— hearing, nicola sturgeon has been arrested— hearing, nicola sturgeon has been arrested by police investigating- been arrested by police investigating snp finances. the tanner— investigating snp finances. the tone ttret— investigating snp finances. the former first minister is in euetoty— former first minister is in euetoty ,— former first minister is in custody , being questioned by custody, being questioned by teteettwee— custody, being questioned by detectives. a— custody, being questioned by detectives. a spokesman person for detectives. a spokesman person tor twe— detectives. a spokesman person for ms sturgeon— detectives. a spokesman person for ms sturgeon says she voluntarily— for ms sturgeon says she voluntarily attended an tnterwew— voluntarily attended an interview and has consistently eart— interview and has consistently eatt ene-tt— interview and has consistently said she'll cooperate with the investigation _ said she'll cooperate with the investigation .— said she'll cooperate with the investigation . in— said she'll cooperate with the investigation . in april, her investigation. in april, her nuetant,— investigation. in april, her husband, peter— investigation. in april, her husband, peter murrell , who was

husband, peter murrell, who was the husband, peter murrell, who was tne party-e— husband, peter murrell, who was tne tarty-e enter— husband, peter murrell, who was the party's chief executive atong — the party's chief executive atong wttn— the party's chief executive along with the— the party's chief executive along with the ex treasurer conn— along with the ex treasurer colin beattie,— along with the ex treasurer colin beattie, were questioned ant— colin beattie, were questioned ant reteaeet— colin beattie, were questioned and released without charge, tenttng— and released without charge, pending further— and released without charge, pending further inquiries. her none— pending further inquiries. her none ant— pending further inquiries. her home and the— pending further inquiries. her home and the snp headquarters were also searched. police were renowng— were also searched. police were seen removing boxes of evidence ant— seen removing boxes of evidence ant tne— seen removing boxes of evidence ant tne wet— seen removing boxes of evidence and the met office— seen removing boxes of evidence and the met office has warned tnat— and the met office has warned tnat atnoet— and the met office has warned that almost a— and the met office has warned that almost a month's worth of ran— that almost a month's worth of eoutt— that almost a month's worth of rain could fall— that almost a month's worth of rain could fall over some parts of rain could fall over some parts ot tne— rain could fall over some parts ot tne tt— rain could fall over some parts ot tne ut tn— rain could fall over some parts of the uk in the— rain could fall over some parts of the uk in the next 12 hours. tnt— of the uk in the next 12 hours. tnt tnat— of the uk in the next 12 hours. tnt tnat te— of the uk in the next 12 hours. and that is as— of the uk in the next 12 hours. and that is as temperatures eonttnue— and that is as temperatures eonttnue to— and that is as temperatures continue to climb. so it may tnng— continue to climb. so it may tnng eoe— continue to climb. so it may bring some respite from the heat . eo— bring some respite from the heat . eo tegreee— bring some respite from the heat . 30 degrees recorded in suffolk eater.— . 30 degrees recorded in suffolk eartten rte— . 30 degrees recorded in suffolk earlier. it's thought it could etttt— earlier. it's thought it could etttt react— earlier. it's thought it could still reach 32. _ earlier. it's thought it could still reach 32. yellow thunderstorm alerts have been teeuet— thunderstorm alerts have been teeuet ant— thunderstorm alerts have been issued and they'll be in force unttt— issued and they'll be in force unttt 9— issued and they'll be in force unttt e p-m- — issued and they'll be in force until 9 pm. tomorrow. more on all until 9 p.m. tomorrow. more on at ot— until 9 pm. tomorrow. more on at ot ou— until 9 pm. tomorrow. more on all of our stories— until 9 pm. tomorrow. more on all of our stories on our wetette— all of our stories on our wetette ,— all of our stories on our website , gb— all of our stories on our website , gb news .com. now back website, gb news .com. now back to wana— website, gb news .com. now back to wana .— to nana. i hello.| to nana. hello. good afternoon. this is a gb we are the people's a gb news. we are the people's

channel. don't you can channel. don't forget you can download gb news app download the gb news app or stream live . i'm nana stream the show live. i'm nana akua. of course we've had akua. and of course we've had the that nicola the breaking news that nicola sturgeon arrested. sturgeon has been arrested. we're about this . we're still talking about this. this our former snp leader , this our former snp leader, nicola sturgeon. yes, she's been arrested in investigation arrested in the investigation into snp's finances and into the snp's finances and police scotland have said this and snp spokesperson said these issues are subject to a live police investigation. the snp have been cooperating fully with this investigation and will continue to do so. however it is not appropriate to publicly address any whilst that address any issues whilst that investigation ongoing. of investigation is ongoing. of course honour that. well course we will honour that. well i'm studio now by i'm joined in the studio now by nigel nelson and also martin daubney . martin, i mean, it's daubney. martin, i mean, it's been a big afternoon for politics. in fact, whole big politics. in fact, a whole big weekend. it literally started on friday, been going friday, but then it's been going on whole on actually the whole week, starting itv and holly starting with itv and holly willoughby. yeah, yeah . willoughby. yeah, yeah. seriously? well, they're going to on wednesday. they're to court on wednesday. they're going be, you know, and going to be, you know, and prince harry and prince harry. so prince harry schofield. but totttteatty— so prince harry schofield. but totttteatty ,— so prince harry schofield. but politically , politically politically, politically extraordinary . donald trump

extraordinary. donald trump tnttetet— extraordinary. donald trump indicted for— extraordinary. donald trump indicted for the— extraordinary. donald trump indicted for the second time, eeternt— indicted for the second time, um, seismic event there. boris tutttng— um, seismic event there. boris tutttng tne— um, seismic event there. boris tutttng tne nt— um, seismic event there. boris pulling the rip cord, getting out ot— pulling the rip cord, getting out of uxbridge . amazing. nicola out of uxbridge. amazing. nicola sturgeon— out of uxbridge. amazing. nicola sturgeon no— out of uxbridge. amazing. nicola sturgeon now and— out of uxbridge. amazing. nicola sturgeon now and also don't torget— sturgeon now and also don't torget tnat— sturgeon now and also don't forget that the _ sturgeon now and also don't forget that the leader of the toner— forget that the leader of the former leader— forget that the leader of the former leader of— forget that the leader of the former leader of the green party. — former leader of the green party. rean— former leader of the green party. yeah, caroline lucas , party. yeah, caroline lucas, ateo— party. yeah, caroline lucas, ateo tnrew— party. yeah, caroline lucas, also threw the _ party. yeah, caroline lucas, also threw the hat in because taeteatty— also threw the hat in because taeteatty att— also threw the hat in because basically all the— also threw the hat in because basically all the parties, the teen— basically all the parties, the green party— basically all the parties, the green party now, so they're no tonger— green party now, so they're no longer required— green party now, so they're no longer required extra longer required but an extra orttnary— longer required but an extra ordinary seismic time of great etange— ordinary seismic time of great enange. tnt— ordinary seismic time of great change. and when great change t— change. and when great change comes, i think— change. and when great change comes, i think i've— change. and when great change comes, i think i've been struck by comes, i think i've been struck ty tunng— comes, i think i've been struck ty tunng your— comes, i think i've been struck by during your show is keir starmer— by during your show is keir starner nay— by during your show is keir starmer may as— by during your show is keir starmer may as well be a waxwork tunny— starmer may as well be a waxwork tunny ,— starmer may as well be a waxwork tunny , ten-t— starmer may as well be a waxwork tunny , ten-t nee— starmer may as well be a waxwork dummy , isn't he? to— starmer may as well be a waxwork dummy , isn't he? to do anything? dummy, isn't he? to do anything? ten-t— dummy, isn't he? to do anything? ten-t ne— dummy, isn't he? to do anything? ten-t ne to— dummy, isn't he? to do anything? ten-t ne to eay— dummy, isn't he? to do anything? isn't he to say anything? he's tuet— isn't he to say anything? he's tuet taeteatty— isn't he to say anything? he's just basically watching the rest of just basically watching the rest ot-tnto— just basically watching the rest ot-tnto a— just basically watching the rest ot-tnto a era- just basically watching the rest of into a car crash. of him turn into a car crash. rte— of him turn into a car crash. tt-e tuet— of him turn into a car crash. tt-e tuet twe— of him turn into a car crash. it's just like fire— of him turn into a car crash. it's just like fire ball of the ottoettton— it's just like fire ball of the opposition and— it's just like fire ball of the opposition and he's just sort of taugntng— opposition and he's just sort of taugntng ant— opposition and he's just sort of laughing and sitting there and not nawng— laughing and sitting there and not nawng to— laughing and sitting there and not having to say anything. wnere— not having to say anything. where-policies- not having to say anything. where policies is from where are the policies is from the where are the policies is from tne-natty.— where are the policies is from the-party. we've- where are the policies is from the party. we've seen the the labour party. we've seen the potty—wo- the labour party. we've seen the tottey—wo note- policy in scotland. no more tonn— policy in scotland. no more wortn sea— policy in scotland. no more north sea oil— policy in scotland. no more north sea oil or— policy in scotland. no more north sea oil or gas seems like aterntte— north sea oil or gas seems like a terrible idea— north sea oil or gas seems like a terrible idea to— north sea oil or gas seems like a terrible idea to me. what atout— a terrible idea to me. what about prosperity? let's get that out ot— about prosperity? let's get that out ot tne— about prosperity? let's get that out of the ground— about prosperity? let's get that out of the ground and have a tuture— out of the ground and have a future nation— out of the ground and have a future nation built on wealth . future nation built on wealth. wett— future nation built on wealth. wett. tat-e— future nation built on wealth. well, let's not—

future nation built on wealth. well, let's not forget- future nation built on wealth. well, let's not forget his- well, let's not forget his policy with removing charitable status of private schools. yeah, i mean, you know, as it was calculated this this week, actually, that it would actually not really bring much money in at keeps about at all keeps going on about non—dom status as well removing that and getting the money off people and just doesn't in people and it just doesn't in the wall. you know don't the red wall. you know don't torget— forget you know people lent tnetr— forget you know people lent tnetr vote— forget you know people lent their vote to _ forget you know people lent their vote to boris brexiteers toan— their vote to boris brexiteers toan tnetr— their vote to boris brexiteers loan their votes— their vote to boris brexiteers loan their votes in places like tenttett— loan their votes in places like ashfield where— loan their votes in places like ashfield where i— loan their votes in places like ashfield where i stood . it was ashfield where i stood. it was tet-e— ashfield where i stood. it was tet-e get— ashfield where i stood. it was let's get brexit— ashfield where i stood. it was let's get brexit done . i don't let's get brexit done. i don't tntnt— let's get brexit done. i don't tntnt tone— let's get brexit done. i don't think boris did— let's get brexit done. i don't think boris did get brexit done . i think boris did get brexit done . t tntnt— think boris did get brexit done . t tntnt ne— think boris did get brexit done . i think he fudged it on ttettng— . i think he fudged it on ttettng. ne— . i think he fudged it on fishing. he fudged it on tonnern— fishing. he fudged it on northern ireland level, northern ireland on the level, playing— northern ireland on the level, ttaytng ttett— northern ireland on the level, playing field,-tax- northern ireland on the level, playing field, tax status playing field, on our tax status , on our ability— playing field, on our tax status , on our ability to— playing field, on our tax status , on our ability to be sovereign ant— , on our ability to be sovereign ant gtwen— , on our ability to be sovereign ant gtwen ou— , on our ability to be sovereign and given our own— , on our ability to be sovereign and given our own laws. i agree.— and given our own laws. i ttgreee. te— and given our own laws. i digress. as well. yeah, i agree— digress. as well. yeah, i ttgreee .— digress. as well. yeah, i digress . but— digress. as well. yeah, i digress . but we're seeing a huge digress. but we're seeing a huge rnornent— digress. but we're seeing a huge rnornent ot— digress. but we're seeing a huge moment of turnover and i think, you— moment of turnover and i think, you know,— moment of turnover and i think, you know ae— moment of turnover and i think, you know ae t— moment of turnover and i think, you know, as i said,— moment of turnover and i think, you know, as i said, the wax wort— you know, as i said, the wax wort tunae— you know, as i said, the wax work dumas keir— you know, as i said, the wax work dumas keir starmer can walk in work dumas keir starmer can walk tn ant— work dumas keir starmer can walk tn ant tuet— work dumas keir starmer can walk in and just hoover— work dumas keir starmer can walk in and just hoover up votes, but were-en— in and just hoover up votes, but were-en tne— in and just hoover up votes, but where's the aspiration in voting for where's the aspiration in voting tor tatoure— where's the aspiration in voting tor tatoure t— where's the aspiration in voting for labour? i personally don't eee-tne— for labour? i personally don't see the aspiration is see it well, the aspiration is wat— see it well, the aspiration is tnat—onty- see it well, the aspiration is- that—only-left. that they're the only ones left. t-nn — that they're the only ones left. t-nn -nw— that they're the only ones left. i'm _now.political- i'm joined now by political commentator emma emma webb commentator emma webb. emma webb reaction nicola sturgeon . she reaction on nicola sturgeon. she has been arrested without charge

, by the way. she went voluntarily. there no there's voluntarily. there is no there's no there's no talk that she has been charged at all. and we obviously don't want to prejudice prejudice the investigation. so what's your take all this you're take on all of this as you're watching ? what an extraordinary watching? what an extraordinary weetent— watching? what an extraordinary weetent tn— watching? what an extraordinary weekend in politics.— watching? what an extraordinary weekend in politics. i— i "cd? what an extraordinary weekend in politics. i don't remember seeing anything like tne.— remember seeing anything like tne-t— remember seeing anything like tne-t tntnt— remember seeing anything like this-i think that- remember seeing anything like this. i think that martin this. and i think that martin tnere— this. and i think that martin tnereltne— this. and i think that martin there-the nail- this. and i think that martin there the nail on the head, there hit the nail on the head, when— there hit the nail on the head, wnten—tnte- there hit the nail on the head, which—this is- there hit the nail on the head, which—this is al which is that really this is a gttt— which is that really this is a gttt to— which is that really this is a gttt to tetr— which is that really this is a gift to keir starmer and if he toee— gift to keir starmer and if he toee wtn— gift to keir starmer and if he does win the _ gift to keir starmer and if he does win the next general eteetton— does win the next general election, even— does win the next general election, even if he wins with a tantettte— election, even if he wins with a tantettte, tt— election, even if he wins with a landslide, it will— election, even if he wins with a landslide, it will be the most unteeenet— landslide, it will be the most undeserved served election wetory— undeserved served election wetory tn— undeserved served election victory in history because he is tuet— victory in history because he is tuet trottttng— victory in history because he is just profiting off— victory in history because he is just profiting off of the absolutely— just profiting off of the absolutely astronomical failures of absolutely astronomical failures ottne— absolutely astronomical failures ot tne otter— absolutely astronomical failures of the other parties. and so i tntnt— of the other parties. and so i tntnt tnat— of the other parties. and so i think that the— of the other parties. and so i think that the concern here is wat— think that the concern here is tnat, you— think that the concern here is tnat, you know— think that the concern here is that, you know ,— think that the concern here is that, you know , the silver that, you know, the silver ttntng— that, you know, the silver ttntng te— that, you know, the silver lining is that— that, you know, the silver lining is that the likelihood of anotner— lining is that the likelihood of another independence referendum is another independence referendum te teeontng— another independence referendum is becoming slimmer and slimmer by is becoming slimmer and slimmer ty tne— is becoming slimmer and slimmer ty tne tay— is becoming slimmer and slimmer ty tne tay. tut— is becoming slimmer and slimmer ty tne tay. tut on— is becoming slimmer and slimmer by the day. but on the other tant— by the day. but on the other nant, tnte— by the day. but on the other hand, this is— by the day. but on the other hand, this is devastating for tne— hand, this is devastating for the conservatives, not that they do the conservatives, not that they to tanteutarty— the conservatives, not that they do particularly well in scotland ltne— do particularly well in scotland ltne-nunter- do particularly well in scotland ,.the-number of- do particularly well in scotland , the number of gains , but the sheer number of gains ne-e— , but the sheer number of gains ne-e garnet,— , but the sheer number of gains he's gained, seats— , but the sheer number of gains he's gained, seats that could toeettty— he's gained, seats that could toeettty turn— he's gained, seats that could possibly turn back to the labour party — possibly turn back to the labour

party, eoutt— possibly turn back to the labour party, eoutt tut— possibly turn back to the labour party, could put the labour party— party, could put the labour party tnto— party, could put the labour rany tnto a— party, could put the labour party into a position where we're not looking at a hung tarttanent— we're not looking at a hung parliament anymore. this really enangee— parliament anymore. this really changes everything. and i tnougnt— changes everything. and i tnougnt tt— changes everything. and i thought it was— changes everything. and i thought it was quite extraordinary watching the enange— extraordinary watching the enangeltone— extraordinary watching the change tone of humza yousaf change in tone of humza yousaf comments earlier— change in tone of humza yousaf comments earlier today suggests that comments earlier today suggests tnattney— comments earlier today suggests tnat tney eoutt— comments earlier today suggests that they could possibly give the that they could possibly give tne tatour— that they could possibly give the labour party a hard time if tney— the labour party a hard time if tney weet— the labour party a hard time if they weren't really willing to tow— they weren't really willing to tow to — they weren't really willing to kow to their— they weren't really willing to kow to their demands for another tntetentenee— kow to their demands for another independence referendum or to tewotwe— independence referendum or to devolve further— independence referendum or to devolve further powers to soottant— devolve further powers to eeottant .— devolve further powers to scotland . and- devolve further powers to scotland . and now look at what's scotland. and now look at what's nattenet.— scotland. and now look at what's nattenet. t— scotland. and now look at what's happened. i think— scotland. and now look at what's happened. i think that as a etory— happened. i think that as a etory t— happened. i think that as a story i haven't— happened. i think that as a story i haven't seen anything age— story i haven't seen anything age gutte— story i haven't seen anything age gutte eo— story i haven't seen anything age quite so quickly . e itititllyt age quite so quickly. it really nae. — age quite so quickly. it really nae. tnt— age quite so quickly. it really nae. tnt tte— age quite so quickly. it really has. and it's moving quickly. i mean, i don't know when we'll get some sort of response with regard that investigation, regard to that investigation, but focusing on but we will keep focusing on that here at gb news. i'm wondering, though, do you see this as the end of the snp then? because don't because obviously they don't really what they have the really have what they have the agenda of independence, but there are other little parties like alex summons party like alba, alex summons party that potentially step into that could potentially step into that could potentially step into that that will be left that that void that will be left obviously and nobody's really supporting he's losing

supporting humza he's losing ground . well, you never really ground. well, you never really know— ground. well, you never really know because— gt:n. “t: well, you never really know because things 9111”: well, you never really know because things have become so unpredictable— know because things have become so unpredictable in— know because things have become so unpredictable in our totte— so unpredictable in our politics. so— so unpredictable in our politics. so i- so unpredictable in our politics. so i wouldn't want to eat— politics. so i wouldn't want to eat tt.— politics. so i wouldn't want to eat tt. tut— politics. so i wouldn't want to eat tt. tut t— politics. so i wouldn't want to call it. but i do— politics. so i wouldn't want to call it. but i do think that the— call it. but i do think that the eoutt— call it. but i do think that this could be— call it. but i do think that this could be a- call it. but i do think that this could be a devastating blow to ten.— this could be a devastating blow to ten t— this could be a devastating blow to them. i think— this could be a devastating blow to them. i think that they could totenttatty,— to them. i think that they could totenttatty. ae— to them. i think that they could potentially, as you've been tatttng—tnel talking earlier about the tatout— talking earlier about the labour, the— talking earlier about the labour, the snp mp who got nereett— labour, the snp mp who got nereett tn— labour, the snp mp who got nereett tn a— labour, the snp mp who got herself in a spot— labour, the snp mp who got herself in a spot of bother for wotattng— herself in a spot of bother for violating cowo— herself in a spot of bother for violating covid restrictions if tney— violating covid restrictions if tney nave— violating covid restrictions if tney nawe a— violating covid restrictions if they have a by—election in that eat,— they have a by—election in that eat, when— they have a by—election in that seat, which is— they have a by—election in that seat, which is looking quite tttety— seat, which is looking quite tttety ,— seat, which is looking quite tttety , ant— seat, which is looking quite likely, and that— seat, which is looking quite likely , and that then tips back likely, and that then tips back to tne— likely, and that then tips back to the labour— likely, and that then tips back to the labour party because of tnat— to the labour party because of course that was— to the labour party because of course that was a— to the labour party because of course that was a gain in the tort— course that was a gain in the 2019 elections— course that was a gain in the 2019 elections and the margin is onty— 2019 elections and the margin is onty aount— 2019 elections and the margin is only around 5000.— 2019 elections and the margin is only around 5000. so it's very toeettte— only around 5000. so it's very toeettte tnat— only around 5000. so it's very possible that that— only around 5000. so it's very possible that that could go back to tne — possible that that could go back to tne tatour— possible that that could go back to the labour party. i think you eoutt— to the labour party. i think you eoutt eee— to the labour party. i think you eoutt a— to the labour party. i think you could see a landslide road back tron— could see a landslide road back tron tnat— could see a landslide road back from that meteoric— could see a landslide road back from that meteoric rise that one of from that meteoric rise that one ot your— from that meteoric rise that one or your gueete— from that meteoric rise that one of your guests was— from that meteoric rise that one of your guests was describing eater— of your guests was describing eartter tnat— of your guests was describing earlier that we— of your guests was describing earlier that we of the snp. earlier that we saw of the snp. i earlier that we saw of the snp. t tntnt— earlier that we saw of the snp. t tntnt you— earlier that we saw of the snp. i think you _see - earlier that we saw of the snp. i think you _see .as- i think you could see as as eteety— i think you could see as as eteety a— i think you could see as as speedy a meteoric fall. so it's gutte— speedy a meteoric fall. so it's gutte toeettte.— speedy a meteoric fall. so it's quite possible. but regardless, tnte— quite possible. but regardless, tnte te— quite possible. but regardless, tnte te goot— quite possible. but regardless, this is good for— quite possible. but regardless, this is good for the labour party— this is good for the labour party because— this is good for the labour party because this is chaos on all party because this is chaos on at tronte— party because this is chaos on all fronts and— party because this is chaos on all fronts and so— party because this is chaos on all fronts and so the only reatty— all fronts and so the only reatty tne— all fronts and so the only really the only- all fronts and so the only really the only way is up for tne— really the only way is up for tne tatour—

really the only way is up for the labour party. keir starmer nuet— the labour party. keir starmer rnuet te— the labour party. keir starmer must be licking— the labour party. keir starmer must be licking his lips. ti must be licking his lips. he's not— must be licking his lips. he's not atte— must be licking his lips. he's not atte to— must be licking his lips. he's not able to say— must be licking his lips. he's not able to say what- must be licking his lips. he's not able to say what a- must be licking his lips. he's not able to say what a woman is, but he's still managing to get through others through because the others don't aren't anything else aren't able to do anything else by of it. do think by the looks of it. do you think this at this is actually coming at a point where what this really is, is sometimes some parties is that sometimes some parties spend too long in power, and now we've come to a point where i mean, the snp , what is it, ten mean, the snp, what is it, ten years or so they've been hanging around. got the labour around. you've got the labour party party, party, the conservative party, 13 years. seems to be that 13 years. it seems to be that area when it gets to around about 13 when all about 13 years when it all starts to go wrong . i think if starts to go wrong. i think if you ernernert— starts to go wrong. i think if you remember before- git g i think if you remember before covid, eeonrye— you remember before covid, everyone was talking about the great— everyone was talking about the great realignment that was was nattentng— great realignment that was was nattentng not— great realignment that was was happening not just here in the uk happening not just here in the ut tut— happening not just here in the uk but across— happening not just here in the uk but across the— happening not just here in the uk but across the world, also in the uk but across the world, also in tne statee— uk but across the world, also in tne statee ae— uk but across the world, also in the states as well. _ uk but across the world, also in the states as well. the great reattgnnent— realignment in our politics away tron— realignment in our politics away from-questions- realignment in our politics away from questions towards from economic questions towards eutturat— from economic questions towards cultural fault— from economic questions towards cultural fault lines.— from economic questions towards cultural fault lines. and i tntnt— cultural fault lines. and i tntnt tnat— cultural fault lines. and i think that got— cultural fault lines. and i think that got frustrated by the tantente— think that got frustrated by the tantente .— think that got frustrated by the tantente . tnt— think that got frustrated by the pandemic . and i— think that got frustrated by the pandemic . and i think what we're pandemic. and i think what we're eeetng— pandemic. and i think what we're eeetng no— pandemic. and i think what we're eeetng te— pandemic. and i think what we're seeing now is partly what you've teeentet. — seeing now is partly what you've described. it's— seeing now is partly what you've described. it's your— seeing now is partly what you've described. it's your parties tte— described. it's your parties ttte tne— described. it's your parties like the snp— described. it's your parties like the snp and even to some tegree— like the snp and even to some tegree tne— like the snp and even to some degree the conservative party, like the snp and even to some deg the the conservative party, like the snp and even to some deg the snp onservative party, like the snp and even to some deg the snp more lative party, like the snp and even to some deg the snp more so ve party, like the snp and even to some deg the snp more so because but the snp more so because tney-we— but the snp more so because tney-we teen— but the snp more so because they've been allowed to really

get ott— they've been allowed to really get ott eeot— they've been allowed to really get off scot free. _ they've been allowed to really get off scot free. they blame ewerytntng— get off scot free. they blame ewerytntng on— get off scot free. they blame everything on england and they nave— everything on england and they nawe nat— everything on england and they have had massive— everything on england and they have had massive failings, tatttnge— have had massive failings, tatttnge tn— have had massive failings, failings in the— have had massive failings, failings in the school system, tatttnge— failings in the school system, tatttnge tn— failings in the school system, failings in the— failings in the school system, failings in the health system ant— failings in the health system ant tney-we— failings in the health system and they've been very good with the and they've been very good with tne rtt— and they've been very good with tne rt ot— and they've been very good with tne rt ot tuet— and they've been very good with the pr of just covering that up, atwaye— the pr of just covering that up, atwaye trytng— the pr of just covering that up, atwaye trytng to — the pr of just covering that up, always trying to deflect back to the always trying to deflect back to tne one— always trying to deflect back to the one issue— always trying to deflect back to the one issue that— always trying to deflect back to the one issue that matters to ten — the one issue that matters to ten to— the one issue that matters to ten to tne— the one issue that matters to them to the detriment of ateotutety— them to the detriment of absolutely everything else, tnetuttng— including the scottish people, when— including the scottish people, which independence. which is independence. but i tntnt— which is independence. but i tntnt wnat— which is independence. but i think what we're— which is independence. but i think what we're we've just toet. — think what we're we've just toet. tnna— think what we're we've just lost. emma webb- think what we're we've just lost. think what we're we've just- lost. emma webb but whilst she's talking about that, let's come to nigel nelson because i wanted talking about that, let's come to askal nelson because i wanted talking about that, let's come to ask you alson because i wanted talking about that, let's come to ask you with because i wanted talking about that, let's come to ask you with regardse i wanted talking about that, let's come to ask you with regard toi wanted talking about that, let's come to ask you with regard to that,ted to ask you with regard to that, we're talking about the duration of these parties spend of time that these parties spend in in power, and that seems to be some sort of absolute power corrupts power corrupts absolutely. that after absolutely. it seems that after absolutely. it seems that after a all they seem to lose a while all they seem to lose their and all the other their way and all the other things seem to start happening their way and all the other thing yes ii to start happening their way and all the other thing yes i mean, rt happening their way and all the other thing yes i mean, davidpening their way and all the other thing yes i mean, david cameron to it. yes i mean, david cameron eart— to it. yes i mean, david cameron eatt-rnne— to it. yes i mean, david cameron said-prime ministers- e t/titit i mean, david cameron said prime ministers go said that prime ministers go aount— said that prime ministers go rount tne— said that prime ministers go round the-bit- said that prime ministers go round the bit after ten round the twist a bit after ten yeare— round the twist a bit after ten yeare-tntnt— round the twist a bit after ten years-think he's- years and i think he's absolutely— years and i think he's absolutely there years and i think he's- absolutely-there tucked in absolutely right there tucked in absolutely right there tucked in a-tuttte— absolutely right there tucked in a-tuttte .— absolutely right there tucked in a-bubble . they- absolutely right there tucked in a bubble . they miss out a security bubble. they miss out on-on— a security bubble. they miss out on-on reat— a security bubble. they miss out on-on real life.— a security bubble. they miss out on-on real life. and- a security bubble. they miss out on on real life. and so on real on real life. and so tnat-e— on real on real life. and so tnat-e wnat— on real on real life. and so that's what happens . maggie that's what happens. maggie ttatetet— that's what happens. maggie wage. to— that's what happens. maggie thatcher, 13 years, new labour, 13 thatcher, 13 years, new labour, to yeare — thatcher, 13 years, new labour, to yeare tnte— thatcher, 13 years, new labour, 13 years. this government have teen— 13 years. this government have teen tn— 13 years. this government have teen tn tuet— 13 years. this government have been in just over— 13 years. this government have been in just over that . and i been in just over that. and i tntnt— been in just over that. and i tntnt tnat—

been in just over that. and i think that you— been in just over that. and i think that you get tired, you out— think that you get tired, you out ot— think that you get tired, you run out of ideas— think that you get tired, you run out of ideas , run out of run out of ideas, run out of etean — run out of ideas, run out of etean ant— run out of ideas, run out of steam and then— run out of ideas, run out of steam and then the electoral eyete— steam and then the electoral eyete rnowee— steam and then the electoral cycle moves on— steam and then the electoral cycle moves on and somebody else tatee— cycle moves on and somebody else tatee owe.— cycle moves on and somebody else tatee — cycle moves on and somebody else takes over. well,— cycle moves on and somebody else takes over. well, it's— takes over. well, it's interesting. i look at these electoral cycles and i actually think that they are to blame for the sort of churn in our politics. so, for example, if you look how housing you look at how many housing ministers had , was it 15, ministers we've had, was it 15, we've like eight home we've had like eight home secretaries. there secretaries. i think that there needs to be. you think it's needs to be. do you think it's time an actual in time for an actual change in politics? to start politics? and we need to start looking system looking at the whole system again i feel like again because i feel like something needs to happen . it'd something needs to happen. it'd be if that could happen. be amazing if that could happen. but be amazing if that could happen. tut-we— be amazing if that could happen. tut-we ae— be amazing if that could happen. but we are encumbered but of course, we are encumbered wttn— but of course, we are encumbered wttn-ttret— but of course, we are encumbered wttn-ttret taet— but of course, we are encumbered with .first past the _ but of course, we are encumbered with first past the post with the first past the post eyeten, — with the first past the post eyeten—tnati system, which means that unfortunately— system, which means that unfortunately this unfortunately we have this tetreeeet— unfortunately we have this depressed sort— unfortunately we have this depressed sort of flopping depressed sort of flip flopping tetween— depressed sort of flip flopping between blue— depressed sort of flip flopping between blue and red, blue and red:— between blue and red, blue and .ad, ant— between blue and red, blue and .ad, ant-etee— between blue and red, blue and red, and else really red, and nobody else really gets a—tottey— red, and nobody else really gets a—tottey nanagetl a sniff. brexit policy managed tnat— a sniff. brexit policy managed tnat ot— a sniff. brexit policy managed that of course,— a sniff. brexit policy managed that of course, but that was protontonat— proportional representation tunng— proportional representation during election proportional representation. during _election . proportional representation- during_election . is during a european election. is tnere— during a european election. is tee a— during a european election. is there a future— during a european election. is there a future for— during a european election. is there a future for pr in tntatne— there a future for pr in britain? that- there a future for pr in britain? that would be fantastic . it britain? that would be fantastic . tt woutt— britain? that would be fantastic . tt woutt gtwe— britain? that would be fantastic . it would give us— britain? that would be fantastic . it would give us more of a tturattty— . it would give us more of a plurality, more— . it would give us more of a plurality, more people having a tut— plurality, more people having a tut tt— plurality, more people having a voice. but if we— plurality, more people having a voice. but if we are heading towarte— voice. but if we are heading towarte a— voice. but if we are heading towards a landslide for labour, tnere-e— towards a landslide for labour, tnere-e no— towards a landslide for labour, tnere-e no way— towards a landslide for labour, there's no way that's having any wett— there's no way that's having any wett tney-re — there's no way that's having any well, they're not— there's no way that's having any well, they're not _to - there's no way that's having any

well, they're not to do well, they're not going to do tnat— well, they're not going to do tnat wnen— well, they're not going to do that when you're _ well, they're not going to do that when you're in power, you ton-t— that when you're in power, you ton-t-tnen- that when you're in power, you don't then because don't change it then because it wortet— don't change it then because it wortet-tnen— worked for you then and otwouety— worked for you then and obviously that's why obviously then that's why it. newer—teep obviously then that's why it- newer—teep tt never changes. yes, just keep it that listen, i'm that way. well, listen, i'm joined msps, a member joined by former msps, a member of parliament, ross of the scottish parliament, ross thompson. ross, thank you very much what's much for joining me. so what's the energy like in scotland? what is the reaction to this news there ? well thanks so much news there? well thanks so much for having me on the show. it's to great be with you. and- to great be with you. and in terme— to great be with you. and in terne ot— to great be with you. and in terms of reaction, it's been reatty— terms of reaction, it's been really interesting . i've just really interesting. i've just come from a— really interesting. i've just come from a meeting, group of come from a meeting, a group of tnente— come from a meeting, a group of tnente ant— come from a meeting, a group of friends and some— come from a meeting, a group of friends and some of— come from a meeting, a group of friends and some of my sister's tnente. — friends and some of my sister's tnente. ste— friends and some of my sister's friends. she was— friends and some of my sister's friends. “t; friends. she was having a baby shower. we all got the news tnougn— shower. we all got the news tnrougn tne— shower. we all got the news through the same— we all got the news through the same time and there was through the same time and there anot— through the same time and there was a.of jubilation- through the same time and there was a of jubilation from was a lot of jubilation from some quarters. people who were delighted that this has delighted to see that this has finally happened. overall, finally happened. but overall, i think finally happened. but overall, i tntnt tnere-e— finally happened. but overall, i think there's a— finally happened. but overall, i think there's a sense— finally happened. but overall, i think there's a sense of- finally happened. but overall, i think there's a sense of ,- �*" : but overall, i think there's a sense of, um, you— think there's a sense of, um, you-tne— think there's a sense of, um, you-tnte te— think there's a sense of, um, you this is something you know, this is something when— you know, this is something wnten te— you know, this is something which is quite— you know, this is something which is quite historic that's nattenet— which is quite historic that's nattenet tnte— which is quite historic that's happened this is now the second soottten— happened this is now the second scottish first— happened this is now the second scottish first minister to have teen— scottish first minister to have been arrested _ scottish first minister to have been arrested the second time tnat— been arrested the second time tnat an— been arrested the second time tnat an str— been arrested the second time that an snp leader has been aeet— that an snp leader has been arrest ousted. _ that an snp leader has been arrest ousted. it's quite an eannguate— arrest ousted. it's quite an earthquake really in scottish tottttee— earthquake really in scottish tottttee ant— earthquake really in scottish politics and it's— earthquake really in scottish politics and it's going to reverberate, _ politics and it's going to reverberate, you know, as we go tnto—

reverberate, you know, as we go tnto eteettone— reverberate, you know, as we go into elections, which are coming up next— into elections, which are coming up next year.— into elections, which are coming up next year. te— into elections, which are coming up next year. as you know as the sur— up next year. as you know as the sun toot— up next year. as you know as the sun toot to— up next year. as you know as the snp look to have— up next year. as you know as the snp look to have another referendum— snp look to have another referendum on— snp look to have another referendum on scottish independence for a party that nae— independence for a party that nae rnroe— independence for a party that has more advised and tried to enow— has more advised and tried to enow tnat— has more advised and tried to enow tnat tt— has more advised and tried to show that it is— has more advised and tried to show that it is better than the weetntneter— show that it is better than the westminster establishment and ttet— westminster establishment and tnet to— westminster establishment and tnet to tonray— westminster establishment and tried to portray that to the teotte— tried to portray that to the teotte tn— tried to portray that to the people in scotland, that they're tetter— people in scotland, that they're tetter tnat— people in scotland, that they're better that this— people in scotland, that they're better that this is— people in scotland, that they're better that this is going to nave— better that this is going to nawe a— better that this is going to have a damaging impact on them and have a damaging impact on them ant ttet— have a damaging impact on them and their reputation. clearly do and their reputation. clearly to you— and their reputation. clearly to you tttnt— and their reputation. clearly do you think that— and their reputation. clearly do you think that the- and their reputation. clearly do you think that the people in scotland are ready sort of scotland are ready to sort of look labour party look to the labour party instead? obviously instead? because obviously the labour been labour party vote has been disseminated, gone . they've disseminated, it's gone. they've got, what is it, just one msp there . so, you know, do you there. so, you know, do you think that people now going think that people are now going to look labour or to look to the labour party or do tories do you think that the tories might scintilla of might have some scintilla of hope? ithink might have some scintilla of hope? i think it's going to be a nt— hope? i think it's going to be a t— hope? i think it's going to be a t tntnt— hope? i think it's going to be a mix. i think the— , i think it's going to be a mix. i think the primary beneficiary— mix. i think the primary beneficiary is- mix. i think the primary beneficiary is going to be the tatour— beneficiary is going to be the tatour rany— beneficiary is going to be the tatour rarty .— beneficiary is going to be the labour party . we know there's labour party. we know there's tatte— labour party. we know there's tarte ot— labour party. we know there's tane ot tne— labour party. we know there's parts of the central belt so roundabout— parts of the central belt so roundabout glasgow roundabout, the roundabout glasgow roundabout, tne tentat— roundabout glasgow roundabout, the central part— roundabout glasgow roundabout, the central part of— roundabout glasgow roundabout, the central part of scotland , the central part of scotland, were— the central part of scotland, where actually— the central part of scotland, where actually the labour are going— where actually the labour are gotnglte— where actually the labour are gotnglte-natn- going to be the main beneficiaries the going to be the main- beneficiaries .the potential beneficiaries from the potential eottatee— beneficiaries from the potential eottatee tn— beneficiaries from the potential collapse in the— beneficiaries from the potential collapse in the support for the sur— collapse in the support for the sun at— collapse in the support for the sun at tne— collapse in the support for the snp at the next— collapse in the support for the snp at the next general eteetton— snp at the next general election. there is still an ottonuntty—

election. there is still an opportunity for- election. there is still an opportunity for the conservatives. we know that tnere-e— conservatives. we know that tnere-e pane— conservatives. we know that there's parts of— conservatives. we know that there's parts of scotland, tanteutarty— there's parts of scotland, particularly scotland, particularly rural scotland, toottng— particularly rural scotland, looking around looking at areas around about rertnentre— looking at areas around about perthshire aberdeenshire, where the perthshire aberdeenshire, where tne tonee— perthshire aberdeenshire, where the tories will— perthshire aberdeenshire, where the tories will clearly want to target— the tories will clearly want to target to — the tories will clearly want to target to benefit— the tories will clearly want to target to benefit from this enaoe— target to benefit from this enaoe tnat— target to benefit from this chaos that we're seeing within the chaos that we're seeing within tne str— chaos that we're seeing within tne swr .— chaos that we're seeing within tne swr . tut— chaos that we're seeing within the snp . but i— chaos that we're seeing within the snp . but i think primarily the snp. but i think primarily tnere-e— the snp. but i think primarily tnere-e a— the snp. but i think primarily there's a huge— the snp. but i think primarily there's a huge cluster of seats in there's a huge cluster of seats tn tne— there's a huge cluster of seats in the central— there's a huge cluster of seats in the central part— there's a huge cluster of seats in the central part of scotland ant— in the central part of scotland ant tn— in the central part of scotland and in glasgow— in the central part of scotland and in glasgow and yes, the eeottten— and in glasgow and yes, the scottish labour— and in glasgow and yes, the scottish labour party will be, tn — scottish labour party will be, i'm sure, rubbing— scottish labour party will be, i'm sure, rubbing their hands ngnt— i'm sure, rubbing their hands ngnt no— i'm sure, rubbing their hands ngnt at— i'm sure, rubbing their hands right now at this— i'm sure, rubbing their hands right now at this news and toottng— right now at this news and toottng at— right now at this news and looking at the— right now at this news and looking at the opportunities tnat— looking at the opportunities tnat ae— looking at the opportunities that are coming the that are coming and the by—election_ that are coming and the by—election which you already nenttonet— by—election which you already mentioned-the- mentioned earlier in the programme— mentioned earlier in the programme that's to programme that's going to be nattentng— programme that's going to be happening potentially in rutherglen— happening potentially in rutherglen and that rutherglen and hamilton and that is rutherglen and hamilton and that te etearty— rutherglen and hamilton and that is clearlyithink_ rutherglen and hamilton and that is clearly think that's is clearly i think that's eonetntng— is clearly i think that's something labour is clearly i think that's something-labour keen something that labour are keen to-are— something that labour are keen to-are trotatty- something that labour are keen to-are probably in- something that labour are keen to are probably in pole to win and are probably in pole toettton— to win and are probably in pole toettton to— to win and are probably in pole position to _this- to win and are probably in pole position to this point in position to win at this point in the —you- position to win at this point in time. _you talkedj time. now listen, you talked about the independence referendum. you think referendum. is that do you think that still go ahead ? i that will still go ahead? i think it is dead. it really is. i think it is dead. it really is. t cannot— think it is dead. it really is. i cannot see— think it is dead. it really is. i cannot see a— think it is dead. it really is. i cannot see a path- e i: it really is. i cannot see a path forward for tne— i cannot see a path forward for tne str— i cannot see a path forward for tne swr gtwen— i cannot see a path forward for the snp given what has happened with the snp given what has happened wttn tne— the snp given what has happened with the supreme— the snp given what has happened with the supreme court and a tear— with the supreme court and a clear judgement— with the supreme court and a clearjudgement being made of were— clearjudgement being made of wnere tne— clearjudgement being made of where the authority lies for tneee— where the authority lies for tneee ttnt— where the authority lies for these kind of— where the authority lies for these kind of constitutional mattere— these kind of constitutional nattere .— these kind of constitutional matters . you— these kind of constitutional matters . you know, that really

matters. you know, that really did matters. you know, that really ttt tut— matters. you know, that really ttt out a— matters. you know, that really ttt out a natt— matters. you know, that really did put a nail in— matters. you know, that really did put a nail in the coffin for tne— did put a nail in the coffin for tne sun — did put a nail in the coffin for tne sun tut— did put a nail in the coffin for the snp. but also— did put a nail in the coffin for the snp. but also now the crisis in the snp. but also now the crisis tn teaterentt— the snp. but also now the crisis in leadership that— the snp. but also now the crisis in leadership that the secrecy tnat— in leadership that the secrecy tnat w-wee— in leadership that the secrecy that we've -within - in leadership that the secrecy that we've within the snp that we've seen within the snp over-finances— that we've seen within the snp over finances nicola over its finances nicola sturgeon— over its finances nicola sturgeon being obviously the tate— sturgeon being obviously the taee ot— sturgeon being obviously the taee ot tnat— sturgeon being obviously the face of that and— sturgeon being obviously the face of that and that's something— face of that and that's something which has come out of this something which has come out of tne—ae- this whole process is that as nuet— this whole process is that as rnuen ae— this whole process is that as rnuen ae ene— this whole process is that as much as she tried to spin to us tnat— much as she tried to spin to us tnat ene— much as she tried to spin to us tnat ene wae— much as she tried to spin to us that she was leaving politics teauee— that she was leaving politics teauee ene— that she was leaving politics because she wanted to get to tnow— because she wanted to get to know herself— because she wanted to get to know herself better and have eone—wttn- some more coffees with her tnente— some more coffees with her tnente ,— some more coffees with her tnente , you— some more coffees with her friends , you know, people friends, you know, when people toot— friends, you know, when people toot-ner— friends, you know, when people toot-net tegaey- friends, you know, when people look her legacy and time look back on her legacy and time in look back on her legacy and time tn-tt— look back on her legacy and time tn-tt wttt— look back on her legacy and time tn-tt wttt te— look back on her legacy and time in it will be because in office, it will be because of tne.— in office, it will be because of tttelwttt— in office, it will be because of this. .will.because - in office, it will be because of this. will because this this. it will be because of this totte— this. it will be because of this tottee—ant- this. it will be because of this police—and her. police investigation and her aeet— police investigation and her aeet totay. — police investigation and her arrest today. the reasons arrest today. the real reasons tnat—nael that she left. and that has otwouety— that she left. and that has obviously had— that she left. and that has obviously had an impact on trust and obviously had an impact on trust ant wotere— obviously had an impact on trust and voters trust. _ obviously had an impact on trust and voters trust. and when you-e— and voters trust. and when you-e trytng— and voters trust. and when you-e trytng to— and voters trust. and when you're trying to sell to people not— you're trying to sell to people not tuet— you're trying to sell to people not tuet a— you're trying to sell to people not just a manifesto of party totttteat— not just a manifesto of party political pledges on policy atout— political pledges on policy about something different, about ereattng— about something different, about ereattng a— about something different, about ereattng a ne— about something different, about creating a new set— about something different, about creating a new set , separate, creating a new set, separate, tntetentent— creating a new set, separate, independent state with a structures— independent state with a structures of _ independent state with a structures of a- independent state with a structures of a new state, and trytng— structures of a new state, and trytng to— structures of a new state, and trying to convince— structures of a new state, and trying to convince the electorate _ trying to convince the electorate that now is the time ant— electorate that now is the time ant tnat— electorate that now is the time ant tnat you— electorate that now is the time and that you are— electorate that now is the time and that you are the right teotte— and that you are the right teotte to— and that you are the right teotte to te— and that you are the right people to be trusted to do that. no people to be trusted to do that. to way— people to be trusted to do that. to way te— people to be trusted to do that. to way te tnat— people to be trusted to do that. no way is that going to happen. tnt— no way is that going to happen. tnt you— no way is that going to happen. tnt you tnow— no way is that going to happen. and you know, humza yousaf has to en— and you know, humza yousaf has to eett tnat— and you know, humza yousaf has to eett tnat to— and you know, humza yousaf has to sell that to keep— and you know, humza yousaf has to sell that to keep his job as party—

to sell that to keep his job as tany teater— to sell that to keep his job as tany teater to— to sell that to keep his job as party leader to try keep his party leader to try and keep his ennnttng— party leader to try and keep his shrinking supportive and to shrinking base supportive and to try ant— shrinking base supportive and to try ant teet— shrinking base supportive and to try and keep them— shrinking base supportive and to try and keep them voting for the sun— try and keep them voting for the sun tnte— try and keep them voting for the snp. this election— try and keep them voting for the snp. this election next year. nee— snp. this election next year. we got— snp. this election next year. we got to— snp. this election next year. we got to eay— snp. this election next year. he's got to say that . but we all he's got to say that. but we all tnow— he's got to say that. but we all tnow tnat. — he's got to say that. but we all know that. the— he's got to say that. but we all know that. the reality is it's tuet— know that. the reality is it's tuet not— know that. the reality is it's tuet not gotng— know that. the reality is it's just not going to— know that. the reality is it's just not going to happen. and tte— just not going to happen. and ttte wteota— just not going to happen. and like nicola sturgeon , he will like nicola sturgeon, he will teat— like nicola sturgeon, he will lead _voters- like nicola sturgeon, he will lead-voters up- like nicola sturgeon, he will lead voters up the hill lead the snp voters up the hill but lead the snp voters up the hill tut ne-e— lead the snp voters up the hill tut we not— lead the snp voters up the hill but he's not going to deliver for but he's not going to deliver tor-te— but he's not going to deliver for-is there- but he's not going to deliver for-is there any- but he's not going to deliver. for-is there any chance for them. is there any chance for them. is there any chance for him to survive as leader? i i don't know. kate forbes do you think they might her think they might look to her instead, have a refresh instead, maybe to have a refresh because the continuity because he was the continuity character well, we character? yeah. well, we already know because there's been reports here in the scottish press about coups being planned already by allies close to kate forbes. people basically tettewng— to kate forbes. people basically tettewng tnat— to kate forbes. people basically believing that humza's- believing that humza's leadership— believing that humza's leadership is- believing that humza's leadership is going to be ttnttet— leadership is going to be limited probably up until the eteetton— limited probably up until the election. and— limited probably up until the election. and then they will etearty— election. and then they will etearty toot— election. and then they will clearly look for— election. and then they will clearly look for change. i think noet— clearly look for change. i think rnoet teotte— clearly look for change. i think most people would widely expect the most people would widely expect tne-to — most people would widely expect tne-to tertorn— most people would widely expect the to perform quite poorly the snp to perform quite poorly in the snp to perform quite poorly tn tne— the snp to perform quite poorly tn tne generat— the snp to perform quite poorly in the general election. that's eontng— in the general election. that's eontng ant— in the general election. that's coming and they— in the general election. that's coming and they are going to toee— coming and they are going to toee a— coming and they are going to lose a number— coming and they are going to lose a number of— coming and they are going to lose a number of seats and a notatte—te- lose a number of seats and a notatte—te t- lose a number of seats and a notable—is i thinkj notable personality is i think he notable personality is i think ne te— notable personality is i think he is temporary— notable personality is i think he is temporary .— notable personality is i think he is temporary . he doesn't have he is temporary. he doesn't have the he is temporary. he doesn't have

tne eutton— he is temporary. he doesn't have tne euttort ot— he is temporary. he doesn't have the support of the— he is temporary. he doesn't have the support of the wider base of his the support of the wider base of we party.— the support of the wider base of we tarty. tou— the support of the wider base of his party. you know, his his win in his party. you know, his his win tn tne— his party. you know, his his win in the leadership— his party. you know, his his win in the leadership contest was reatty— in the leadership contest was reatty nanwo— in the leadership contest was really narrow .— in the leadership contest was really narrow . and right now really narrow. and right now ne-e— really narrow. and right now we got— really narrow. and right now we got an— really narrow. and right now he's got an awful lot of gueettone— he's got an awful lot of questions to— he's got an awful lot of questions to answer . you know, questions to answer. you know, wnat— questions to answer. you know, wnat ttt— questions to answer. you know, wnat ttt ne— questions to answer. you know, what did he know— questions to answer. you know, what did he know in relation to the what did he know in relation to tne str— what did he know in relation to the snp finances— what did he know in relation to the snp finances and when did he tnow— the snp finances and when did he tnow tt— the snp finances and when did he tnow t e— the snp finances and when did he tnow t e nae— the snp finances and when did he know it? has he— the snp finances and when did he know it ? has he been the snp finances and when did he know it? has he been part of the— know it? has he been part of the ttnt— know it? has he been part of the ttnt ot— know it? has he been part of this kind of cover— know it? has he been part of this kind of cover up that we've wttntn— this kind of cover up that we've seen within the— this kind of cover up that we've seen within the snp? because attnougn— seen within the snp? because attnougn ngnt— seen within the snp? because although right now this investigation is happening and we-tnow— investigation is happening and we-tnow tt— investigation is happening and we know if there's we don't know if there's anytntng— we don't know if there's anything place, anything criminal taking place, wnat— anything criminal taking place, wnatwe— anything criminal taking place, wnat we to— anything criminal taking place, what we do know— anything criminal taking place, what we do know is that there nae— what we do know is that there nae teen— what we do know is that there has beenlculture_ what we do know is that there has been culture of secrecy has been a culture of secrecy wttntn— has been a culture of secrecy wttntn-str— has been a culture of secrecy within .snp and - has been a culture of secrecy within snp and that the within the snp and that the teaterentt— within the snp and that the leadership has— within the snp and that the leadership has been a clear part of leadership has been a clear part ot tnat. — leadership has been a clear part of that. that's— leadership has been a clear part of that. that's why— leadership has been a clear part of that. that's why we've seen teotte— of that. that's why we've seen teotte reetgn— of that. that's why we've seen people resign their positions as treasurers , as we— people resign their positions as treasurers , as we saw joanna treasurers, as we saw joanna cnerry— treasurers, as we saw joanna cnerry reetgn— treasurers, as we saw joanna cherry resign from the nec. you tnow,— cherry resign from the nec. you know, we've seen— cherry resign from the nec. you know, we've seen disquiet for tne— know, we've seen disquiet for ttne, tut— know, we've seen disquiet for some time, but we know right now at tne— some time, but we know right now at tne-ot— some time, but we know right now at tne-or tne— some time, but we know right now at the _of the snp— some time, but we know right now at the of the snp there is at the heart of the snp there is the— at the heart of the snp there is the eerey— at the heart of the snp there is this secrecy culture and he has to answer questions about that, now— how he's going to address that ant— how he's going to address that ant-truet— how he's going to address that ant-truet . — how he's going to address that and _trust . well,- how he's going to address that and trust . �*ft�*tiii and restore trust. well, we tnatt— and restore trust. well, we shall because all will be shall see because all will be revealed ross thompson, revealed in time. ross thompson, thank much. he's a thank you very much. he's a former msp, really good talk former msp, really good to talk to well, so much still former msp, really good to talk to come well, so much still former msp, really good to talk to come here well, so much still former msp, really good to talk to come here onll, so much still former msp, really good to talk to come here on gbto much still former msp, really good to talk to come here on gb news.�*i still former msp, really good to talk to come here on gb news. butll to come here on gb news. but right now, i'm joined by former

editor of the labourlist, peter edwards. i'm wondering, i edwards. peter i'm wondering, i bet peter's i mean, he's one of your friends, isn't he? indeed of yes but of yours? absolutely. yes but peter's rubbing his hands with glee this as well. i glee on this one as well. i would imagine will be. glee on this one as well. i. would imagine .will be. i glee on this one as well. i would imagine will be. i was would imagine he will be. i was tntereetet— would imagine he will be. i was tntereetet to — would imagine he will be. i was interested to .what-wasl interested to see what ross was saying independence saying there about independence being what a theme being dead. what is a theme that's run through the entire show is trust in politics. and it's trust that's been lost. well, let's see what peter thinks because he's thinks of that, because he's there with us from the labour list. peter edwards you list. peter edwards well, you nuet— list. peter edwards well, you nuetlnatty— list. peter edwards well, you nuetlnatty ,— list. peter edwards well, you must-happy , me- l peter edwards well, you must happy , me rubbing your must be happy, me rubbing your nante— must be happy, me rubbing your nante wttn— must be happy, me rubbing your hands with glee— must be happy, me rubbing your hands with glee .— must be happy, me rubbing your hands with glee . sturgeon hands with glee. sturgeon appeare— hands with glee. sturgeon atteare to— hands with glee. sturgeon appears to know you're not reatty— appears to know you're not reatty, tut— appears to know you're not really, but the _ appears to know you're not really, but the labour party is to te— really, but the labour party is to te tteaeet.— really, but the labour party is to be pleased. really so tteagreet— to be pleased. really so disagreed. so— to be pleased. really so disagreed. so nana. go on, go on. you disagree ? carry on. i'd on. you disagree? carry on. i'd like to hear your your view. i disagree. most of what ross said teauee— disagree. most of what ross said because labour— disagree. most of what ross said because labour should- t: sagiiti most of what ross said because labour should not be eoetanoot— because labour should not be eoetanoot . — because labour should not be cockahoop. i because labour should not be cockahoop . i �*" cockahoop. because first of all, nicola sturgeon is entitled to a fair process and if in a week or two's time she's released without charge and it goes away in terms of the situation around her labour lose a plank of its

campaign as all the comments have shown this afternoon , the have shown this afternoon, the governance scandal is much wider around the snp. regardless of the one arrest we've had today . the one arrest we've had today. nicola sturgeon, for example, nantet— nicola sturgeon, for example, was married to— nicola sturgeon, for example, was married to the chief eeute — was married to the chief executive. _ was married to the chief executive. was married to the chief- executive. that's just not good governance . we've had other governance. we've had other arrests . the other thing it arrests. the other thing it shows is the snp's new leader, humza yousaf is going to be completely backward looking because he's going to go into election trying to talk about the future. every opponent, internal critics and media will say what's happened about the finances. so it drags him and potentially independent. it's back to a massive period of introspection _ back to a massive period of introspection with very uncomfortable questions about ttet— uncomfortable questions about their finances. _ uncomfortable questions about their finances. ' “t: uncomfortable questions about their finances. '“t: their finances. and i think we've got to zoom out for nicola sturgeon because no one knows how this is going to turn out. but know the snp guilty but we do know the snp is guilty of a colossal failure of governance. that's going to haunt it for many years . well, haunt it for many years. well, that's actually. i haunt it for many years. well, that's-actually. i mean. haunt it for many years. well, that's-actually. i mean ,i that's true actually. i mean, otwouety—oti that's true actually. i mean,- obviously_of the obviously their handling of the wnote— obviously their handling of the wnote cowo— obviously their handling of the whole covid crisis , a lot of whole covid crisis, a lot of goenrnente— whole covid crisis, a lot of governments fell foul of that as wett— governments fell foul of that as wet ,— governments fell foul of that as wet , tnat— governments fell foul of that as

well , that the— governments fell foul of that as well , that the _the- governments fell foul of that as well , that the the health well, that the whole the health eerwee — well, that the whole the health eerwee tn— well, that the whole the health service in real— well, that the whole the health service in real problems as as tney— service in real problems as as tney ae— service in real problems as as tney tn— service in real problems as as they are in england actually in all they are in england actually in at tatte— they are in england actually in at tarte ot— they are in england actually in all parts of this— they are in england actually in all parts of this country. but do all parts of this country. but to-eee— all parts of this country. but to-eee to— all parts of this country. but do-see do you- all parts of this country. but do see do you see a for do you see do you see a for tuture— do you see do you see a for tuture tne— do you see do you see a for future the snp— do you see do you see a for future the snp in scotland, tnougn— future the snp in scotland, tnougn. gtwen— future the snp in scotland, though, given given that all the— though, given given that all the eort— though, given given that all the eort ot— though, given given that all this sort of scandal seems to be energtng— this sort of scandal seems to be energtng e— this sort of scandal seems to be energtng ttnt— this sort of scandal seems to be emerging ? and, you know, first emerging? and, you know, first of emerging? and, you know, first ot att— emerging? and, you know, first ot .n, tney— emerging? and, you know, first of all, they have— emerging? and, you know, first of all, they have the gender reeognttton— of all, they have the gender recognition reform bill, which in recognition reform bill, which tn-tne— recognition reform bill, which in-the labour— recognition reform bill, which in the labour party in fact the labour party euttortet— in fact the labour party supported. do you that the supported. do you see that the tnat— supported. do you see that the that independence is that perhaps independence is eonetntng— that perhaps independence is something that— that perhaps independence is something that is they're not going— something that is they're not gotng to— something that is they're not going to pebble— something that is they're not going to people won't want to tueue— going to people won't want to tueue tn— going to people won't want to pursue in scotland anymore? well tneee— pursue in scotland anymore? well tneee tntnge— pursue in scotland anymore? well tneee tntnge go— pursue in scotland anymore? well these things go in— pursue in scotland anymore? well these things go in ebbs and towe— these things go in ebbs and ttowe ae— these things go in ebbs and ttowe ae you— these things go in ebbs and flows as you know. ' “t: ”ti flows as you know. and remember devolution, which i supported very strongly and think has very strongly and i think has worked supposed to be worked well, was supposed to be the unquote the thing that quote unquote kills independence dead. kills independence stone dead. that didn't happen. but it's not tuet— that didn't happen. but it's not tuet tnat— that didn't happen. but it's not tuet tnat tne— that didn't happen. but it's not just that the unionists like me ant— just that the unionists like me ant noet— just that the unionists like me ant rnoet ot— just that the unionists like me and most of the— just that the unionists like me and most of the main westminster tantee— and most of the main westminster tarttee on— and most of the main westminster tarttee tne— and most of the main westminster parties won the referendum the taet— parties won the referendum the taet tne— parties won the referendum the last time around— parties won the referendum the last time around is like we're not— last time around is like we're not een— last time around is like we're not even close— last time around is like we're not even close to— last time around is like we're not even close to having another reetenurnt— not even close to having another referendum. and— not even close to having another referendum. and the events of the— referendum. and the events of this weekend— referendum. and the events of this weekend push another referendum— this weekend push another referendum back even further away— referendum back even further away teauee— referendum back even further away because nicola sturgeon was away because nicola sturgeon was atantaette— away because nicola sturgeon was a fantastic communicator. she's gone— a fantastic communicator. she's

gone no— a fantastic communicator. she's gone . snee— a fantastic communicator. she's gone now . she's mired in sleaze. gone now. she's mired in sleaze. tunza— gone now. she's mired in sleaze. tunza toueat— gone now. she's mired in sleaze. humza yousaf or— gone now. she's mired in sleaze. humza yousaf or called useless by humza yousaf or called useless ty tte— humza yousaf or called useless ty nte entree— humza yousaf or called useless by his critics, is— humza yousaf or called useless by his critics, is going to etent— by his critics, is going to etent att— by his critics, is going to spend all his— by his critics, is going to spend all his time talking about the spend all his time talking about tne taet— spend all his time talking about tne taet .— spend all his time talking about the past . whoever— spend all his time talking about the past . whoever is in power in the past. whoever is in power in weetntneter— the past. whoever is in power in westminster said,— the past. whoever is in power in westminster said, you're not nawng— westminster said, you're not having another— westminster said, you're not having another referendum . so having another referendum. so ttet— having another referendum. so tnetr onty— having another referendum. so their only option— having another referendum. so their only option would be a ttegraeet— their only option would be a ttegraeet tany— their only option would be a disgraced party having an tttegat— disgraced party having an illegal advisory vote and ternate— illegal advisory vote and ternate wttn— illegal advisory vote and perhaps with some parallels to wnat— perhaps with some parallels to wnat nattenet— perhaps with some parallels to what happened in catalonia in stan— what happened in catalonia in statn. tnt— what happened in catalonia in spain. and that— what happened in catalonia in spain. and that will just prompt anotner— spain. and that will just prompt another period— spain. and that will just prompt another period of— spain. and that will just prompt another period of chaos rather tnan— another period of chaos rather tnan ttttng— another period of chaos rather than fixing public services. so i than fixing public services. so ttntnt— than fixing public services. so ttntnt tte— than fixing public services. so i think it's not— than fixing public services. so i think it's not just bad for tne— i think it's not just bad for tne str— i think it's not just bad for the snp today,— i think it's not just bad for the snp today, but it's very bad for the snp today, but it's very bad tor tne— the snp today, but it's very bad tor tne next— the snp today, but it's very bad for the next 5— the snp today, but it's very bad for the next 5 or— the snp today, but it's very bad for the next 5 or 10— the snp today, but it's very bad for the next 5 or 10 years for tne— for the next 5 or 10 years for tne tany-e— for the next 5 or 10 years for the party's cause.- for the next 5 or 10 years for the party's cause. but let's not be complacent.— the party's cause. but let's not be complacent. independence ntgnt— be complacent. independence ntgnt te— be complacent. independence might be dialled— be complacent. independence might be dialled down, but it wtt— might be dialled down, but it wttt newer— might be dialled down, but it wttt go— might be dialled down, but it will never go away . �*ft�*till might be dialled down, but it will never go away . �*ftttiii will never go away. well, well, wett— will never go away. well, well, well. listen, i can i can now tell you some breaking news that, were saying, that that, as you were saying, that nicola has actually nicola sturgeon has actually been charge . so been released without charge. so you're absolutely spot on to focus on that. but as we said, we did say and we have been saying show that saying throughout the show that nicola sturgeon's people said a spokesperson for nicola sturgeon said the former snp leader voluntarily said the former snp leader voluntarilwith police , scot interview with the police, scot police scotland and that she

would cooperate with the investigation. edwards, would cooperate with the invest you on. edwards, would cooperate with the invest you so edwards, would cooperate with the invest you so much edwards, would cooperate with the invest you so much . edwards, would cooperate with the invest you so much . goodyards, would cooperate with the invest you so much . good to is, would cooperate with the invest you so much . good to talk thank you so much. good to talk to you. take care of yourself. uh, this, course, is gb news. uh, this, of course, is gb news. we're online on we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. been digital radio. we've been covering nicola sturgeon's arrest, daubney, arrest, but now martin daubney, your nicola sturgeon your reaction to nicola sturgeon has released without has been released without charge? yeah, but the thing is , charge? yeah, but the thing is, the charge? yeah, but the thing is, tne tereettton— charge? yeah, but the thing is, the perception and— ig�* yeah, but the thing is, the perception and the whiff is wnat— the perception and the whiff is wnat tnte— the perception and the whiff is wnat tnte te— the perception and the whiff is what this is about. and we must rernernert tn— what this is about. and we must remember in politics, nothing taete— remember in politics, nothing lasts forever.— remember in politics, nothing lasts forever. no— remember in politics, nothing lasts forever. no people thought tnatener— lasts forever. no people thought thatcher would _ lasts forever. no people thought thatcher would last forever . thatcher would last forever. wnen— thatcher would last forever. wnen tne — thatcher would last forever. when the end _ thatcher would last forever. when the end came, it was brutal and when the end came, it was brutal ant tt— when the end came, it was brutal ant tt wae— when the end came, it was brutal and it was fast. _ when the end came, it was brutal and it was fast. tony blair, who tranetornet— and it was fast. tony blair, who transformed the— and it was fast. tony blair, who transformed the country when his tne— transformed the country when his ttne oae— transformed the country when his ttne ,— transformed the country when his ttne , tt— transformed the country when his time came , it was— transformed the country when his time came , it was over. boris time came, it was over. boris tonneon— time came, it was over. boris tonneon gutotty— time came, it was over. boris johnson quickly. overnight gone. sturgeon— johnson quickly. overnight gone. sturgeon nay— johnson quickly. overnight gone. sturgeon may have been released, but sturgeon may have been released, tut tne— sturgeon may have been released, tut tne enet— sturgeon may have been released, but the smell isn't— sturgeon may have been released, but the smell isn't good. and wnen— but the smell isn't good. and wnen you— but the smell isn't good. and when you have— but the smell isn't good. and when you have that breakdown of true,— when you have that breakdown of truet, tnat-e— when you have that breakdown of trust, that's nigel— when you have that breakdown of trust, that's nigel mentioned so euootnotty— trust, that's nigel mentioned so euootnotty ant— trust, that's nigel mentioned so succinctly and the— trust, that's nigel mentioned so succinctly and the issue of tooetenoe— succinctly and the issue of competence, which was exposed atout— competence, which was exposed atout tne — competence, which was exposed about the gender— competence, which was exposed about the gender recognition of and about the gender recognition of ant tne— about the gender recognition of and the failure— about the gender recognition of and the failure to— about the gender recognition of and the failure to deliver on independence_ and the failure to deliver on independence ,— and the failure to deliver on independence , single issue party independence, single issue party and independence, single issue party ant tnen— independence, single issue party ant tnen on— independence, single issue party and then on the— independence, single issue party and then on the whiff of

oorruttton— and then on the whiff of corruption and multiple arrests, i'm corruption and multiple arrests, tn atratt— corruption and multiple arrests, i'm afraid that— corruption and multiple arrests, i'm afraid that is— corruption and multiple arrests, i'm afraid that is a toxic combination— i'm afraid that is a toxic combination which i think will be combination which i think will te a— combination which i think will te a nuge— combination which i think will be a huge turnoff for the snp tneeteottwe— be a huge turnoff for the snp irrespective of— be a huge turnoff for the snp irrespective of the outcome of the— irrespective of the outcome of this particular— irrespective of the outcome of this particular investigation . this particular investigation. an this particular investigation. tn t— this particular investigation. tn t tntnt— this particular investigation. an i think the— this particular investigation. an i think the damage is done. tne— an i think the damage is done. tne sne— an i think the damage is done. tne str, t— an i think the damage is done. the snp, i think— an i think the damage is done. the snp, i think is holed teneatn— the snp, i think is holed beneath the— the snp, i think is holed beneath the water to sink in ship-— beneath the water to sink in entt. t— beneath the water to sink in entt. t tntnt— beneath the water to sink in ship. i think keir starmer is tuet— ship. i think keir starmer is tuet etat— ship. i think keir starmer is tuet etat out— ship. i think keir starmer is just spat out his— ship. i think keir starmer is just spat out his champagne nato wett— just spat out his champagne nato wett tne— just spat out his champagne nato wett tne t— just spat out his champagne nato well the i think— just spat out his champagne nato well the i think martin's ateotutety— well the i think martin's absolutely right. tit; absolutely right. the optics of tnto— absolutely right. the optics of this not very good. we must remember that peter murrell nicola sturgeon's husband was interviewed for 12 hours, so nicola sturgeon has only been interviewed for about three hours. so that must be significant . i hours. so that must be significant. i think the only way of clearing the air completely is if the police turn around and say , we're not going around and say, we're not going to talk her. have no need to talk to her. we have no need to talk to her. we have no need to talk to her. we have no need to talk to her again. that's the only way the air will be completely because under completely clear, because under scottish back, back to her and straight back, back to her and re—arrest this is re—arrest her. so this this is eonetntng— re—arrest her. so this this is something that— ”ti so this this is something that obviously they're ”ti so this this is sonfinishedhat obviously they're ”ti so this this is sonfinished with bviously they're ”ti so this this is sonfinished with their sly they're not finished with their investigation on this. so it's not— investigation on this. so it's not wnttet— investigation on this. so it's not whilst she— investigation on this. so it's not whilst she has been cleared for not whilst she has been cleared tor-ae— not whilst she has been cleared tor-ae tar— not whilst she has been cleared tor-ae tar ae— not whilst she has been cleared for-as far as we— not whilst she has been cleared for as far as we know. yeah, for now as far as we know. yeah, ene-e— for now as far as we know. yeah, ene-e teen— for now as far as we know. yeah, she's been released. tit“t: e

she's been released. so and it's important out, as important to point out, as well, they taken the they would not have taken the decision lightly. decision to arrest her lightly. this not like a witch hunt. this is not like a witch hunt. this is not like a witch hunt. this is not like a witch hunt. this is some sort of cabal this is not some sort of cabal against the snp. in fact, if anything, snp to have anything, the snp seems to have enjoyed, a remarkably enjoyed, i think, a remarkably positive relationship the positive relationship with the police . so they wouldn't police. so they wouldn't have taken lightly taken this decision lightly irrespective of she'd been irrespective of if she'd been released or not. but to the man and the woman the the and the woman in the pub on the street, you know, at the market, at the fish chip shop , this street, you know, at the market, at not fish chip shop , this street, you know, at the market, at not fi good chip shop , this street, you know, at the market, at not fi good lookp shop , this street, you know, at the market, at not fi good look . shop , this street, you know, at the market, at not fi good look . ihop , this street, you know, at the market, at not fi good look . i thinkthis is not a good look. i think that's the point. it sticks. that reputation sticks that suspish an sticks. and when you go to the polling booth with your pen , i think people are your pen, i think people are going to change their minds. that's what you hear. that's wnat— what you remember. you remember the what you remember. you remember tne—atwaye- what you remember. you remember tne-tne-atwaye- what you remember. you remember the _the taste-always- what you remember. you remember the _the taste .the ays - what you remember. you remember the the taste the bad remember the taste of the bad tntnge—tnerei things. and they stayed there ant—t- things. and they stayed there ant—t tntnt| things. and they stayed therei and—i think at and they linger. and i think at the— and they linger. and i think at the totnt— and they linger. and i think at this point,imean,_ and they linger. and i think at this point, mean, yusuf, this point, i mean, hamza yusuf, wno— this point, i mean, hamza yusuf, wno te— this point, i mean, hamza yusuf, wno te tne— this point, i mean, hamza yusuf, wno te tne eon— this point, i mean, hamza yusuf, who is the sort of— this point, i mean, hamza yusuf, who is the sort of continuity onaraoter— who is the sort of continuity onaraoter ,— who is the sort of continuity character , may— who is the sort of continuity character , may be thinking, character, may be thinking, tnant— character, may be thinking, thank goodness that's happened, but thank goodness that's happened, tut ne— thank goodness that's happened, tut ne wtt— thank goodness that's happened, but he will also— thank goodness that's happened, but he will also be people will etttt— but he will also be people will etttt te— but he will also be people will still be asking— but he will also be people will still be asking questions teoauee— still be asking questions because she— still be asking questions because she has been released. tut— because she has been released. tut-ner— because she has been released. but-her husband- because she has been released. but her husband and but of course, her husband and anotner—tne - but of course, her husband and another—the snp. but of course, her husband and another the snp are another member of the snp are ettt— another member of the snp are etttt you— another member of the snp are etttt you tnow,— another member of the snp are still you know, they're still tetng— still you know, they're still being questioned. t/titit “t:

still you know, they're still being questioned. t/titit ' “t: being questioned. yes. and just to finish off on issue of to finish off on the issue of trust, that it is down to trust, again, that it is down to very do trust these very much, do you trust these people? if you remember peter murrell , when he resigned, murrell, when he resigned, it was not over anything to do with this. was because he put this. it was because he put false out about snp false information out about snp membership figures. so all these things chip away at people's sort of trust in the party. integrity really is important . integrity really is important. it is really. and i think winston tegrity is magnified and highlighted and under the microscope like that, then you start to look at other things. what's the what's your ability to run the nhs , to run the schools, to get nhs, to run the schools, to get people off of drugs? no, scotland's got a terrible, terrible problem with drug addiction and street violence. all of it. then comes into focus, doesn't it ? if the people focus, doesn't it? if the people at the top are under suspicion, then how can we trust you to do anything ? and i think once you anything? and i think once you have that tipping point, i mean, there will always be people you could show fossils to a creationist and they would still believe course you believe in god. of course you could. show all this could. you could show all this evidence to an snp voter, and many them still vote

many of them will still vote snp. the dyed in the snp. they're the dyed in the wool, the blowhards. but wool, they're the blowhards. but you run country on a you can't run a country on a minority vote. you need mass participation . they haven't got participation. they haven't got it. well, listen, i'll tell you, tte— it. well, listen, i'll tell you, tt-e teen— it. well, listen, i'll tell you, tt-e teen a— e well, listen, i'll tell you, it's been a cracking few hours. entrant,— it's been a cracking few hours. entrant, guye— it's been a cracking few hours. brilliant, guys. thank you. and of brilliant, guys. thank you. and ot—nonel of course, with you at home, tantaetto— of course, with you at home, tantaetto ,— of course, with you at home, fantastic , incredible fantastic, incredible development. nicola sturgeon, wno— development. nicola sturgeon, who - arrested _ development. nicola sturgeon, who arrested earlier today, who was arrested earlier today, nae— who was arrested earlier today, nae-reteaeet— who was arrested earlier today, has released without has been released without onarge. — has been released without charge. .listen- has been released without charge. .listen ,- has been released without charge. listen , thank you to charge. so, listen, thank you to you— charge. so, listen, thank you to you tor— charge. so, listen, thank you to you to your— charge. so, listen, thank you to you for your company. it's been aewe—. t- you for your company. it's been aewe—. t toot- a pleasure, as ever. i look torwart— a pleasure, as ever. i look torwart to— a pleasure, as ever. i look forward to catching up with you on eaturtay— forward to catching up with you on saturtay at— forward to catching up with you on saturday at 3:00. hopefully you—tnere- on saturday at 3:00. hopefully you—tnere .- on saturday at 3:00. hopefully you—there . this. on saturday at 3:00. hopefully�* you—there . this is you will join me there. this is gb you will join me there. this is ea _we— you will join me there. this is ea _we are— you will join me there. this is gb _we are the - you will join me there. this is gb we are the people's gb news. we are the people's channel.— gb news. we are the people's channel-_-