welcome to gloria meats. we've got the chair of the _ welcome to gloria meats. we've got the chair of the health- got the chair of the health select— got the chair of the health select committee, steve. brian, you-ve— select committee, steve. brian, we got— select committee, steve. brian, we got to— select committee, steve. brian, you've got to take— select committee, steve. brian, you've got to take the bad things— you've got to take the bad things that— you've got to take the bad things that happen in life and them— things that happen in life and them as— things that happen in life and use them as fuel— things that happen in life and use them as fuel to drive you because—geot- use them as fuel to drive you because—good hasi use them as fuel to drive you. because—good has got because something good has got to because something good has got te-eut— because something good has got te-eut et— because something good has got to out of something very to come out of something very tet— to come out of something very tetlteteut— to come out of something very badilabour-ruth- to come out of something very bad labour ruth jones , 14. bad. labour mp ruth jones, 14. t-ve— bad. labour mp ruth jones, 14. we tet— bad. labour mp ruth jones, 14. we had t— bad. labour mp ruth jones, 14. i've had a relationship- bad. labour mp ruth jones, 14. i've had a relationship with- bad. labour mp ruth jones, 14. i've had a relationship with god and that's fixed me and that makes me who i am today. conservative mp henry smith, a justice of allow that practise to go on elsewhere is simply exporting the cruelty . oh that's exporting the cruelty. oh that's after your news— g f oh that's after your news headlines . c:

after your news headlines. good eventng— after your news headlines. good eventng te— after your news headlines. good eventng to you. — after your news headlines. good evening to you. at— after your news headlines. good evening to you. at 6:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. nicola sturgeon's been released without charge pending further inquiries after being arrested by police investigating snp finances. the former first minister was questioned after voluntarily attending a police interview in april. her husband, peter murrell, who was the party's chief executive and the ex treasurer colin beattie, were also questioned and released without charge. the long running inquiry is investigating what happened to around £600,000 worth of donations earmarked for scottish independence campaigns. her home and the snp headquarters were also searched, with police seen removing boxes of evidence . three british of evidence. three british tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off egypt . officials the red sea off egypt. officials say 12 britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and

guides . it's understood the fire guides. it's understood the fire was caused by an electrical short circuit . the foreign short circuit. the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities and is assisting those involved . one of boris those involved. one of boris johnson's allies says the resignations of two tory mps over the last couple of days was not a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister. jacob rees—mogg insists there is no plot against rishi sunak and believes he should remain leader. he also believes mr johnson could easily get back into parliament at the next election. the former prime minister announced he was stepping down as an mp after being handed the findings of the partygate inquiry. sirjacob says there could be a split in the party if some mps try to block johnson's return , but block johnson's return, but admits things could have been done better. one always deserves tteme— done better. one always deserves tteme tet— done better. one always deserves blame for one's_ done better. one always deserves blame for one's own— : one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it wette— blame for one's own mistakes. it weutt te— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of me to pretend , ede— would be absurd of me to pretend , tt, thet— would be absurd of me to pretend , tt, ttet teete— would be absurd of me to pretend , ed, that boris hasn't made mtetetee— , ed, that boris hasn't made mistakes. there— , ed, that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter— mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth _ mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late tett —

peter wentworth who in the late tett century— peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was— peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the tower— 16th century was locked up in the tower for— 16th century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house— the tower for saying in the house et— the tower for saying in the house of commons, none is wttteut— house of commons, none is without fault. _ house of commons, none is without fault. no, not our greeteue— without fault. no, not our gracious queen. the same could be sett— gracious queen. the same could be eett et— gracious queen. the same could be said of boris.— gracious queen. the same could be said of boris. none is wttteut— be said of boris. none is without fault. - be said of boris. none is without fault. no not our greeteue— without fault. no not our gracious boris.- without fault. no not our gracious boris. that that is true— gracious boris. that that is true-et— gracious boris. that that is true-et - gracious boris. that that is true-of us. well,. gracious boris. that that is. true-of us. well, the true of all of us. well, the leader of the liberal democrats , sir ed davey, says the conservative party is not fit to lead. conservatives are totally divided, completely chaotic, and letting people down when they've got the cost of living crisis, the crisis in the nhs. the conservatives seem - tat; " \t the conservatives seem unable tix: " \t the conservatives seem unable to etve— conservatives seem unable to give the— conservatives seem unable to gtve tte teet— conservatives seem unable to give the lead that britain needs . ttetnttttte— give the lead that britain needs . meanwhile, leave— give the lead that britain needs . meanwhile, leave campaigner nigel farage believes it's the end for boris johnson, with the conservative gives at least. however, the gb news presenter told camilla tominey he's been talking to tory mps about potentially joining a new party. the good side of boris, of course, is, well,- the good side of boris, of course, is, well, just look at tetey-e— course, is, well, just look at today's newspapers . he's very today's newspapers. he's very geot— today's newspapers. he's very eeet et— today's newspapers. he's very good at dominating news. he does tave— good at dominating news. he does have personality.— good at dominating news. he does have personality. he does make peepte— have personality. he does make peepte emtte— have personality. he does make people smile. and— have personality. he does make people smile. and if he wants to tetent— people smile. and if he wants to tetent tte— people smile. and if he wants to defend his brexit_ people smile. and if he wants to defend his brexit legacy, yeah,

wett— defend his brexit legacy, yeah, wett, t— defend his brexit legacy, yeah, wett, t went— defend his brexit legacy, yeah, well, i want to— defend his brexit legacy, yeah, well, i want to defend my brexit teetet— well, i want to defend my brexit tegeey, tee— well, i want to defend my brexit tegeey, tee .— well, i want to defend my brexit tegeey, tee . se— well, i want to defend my brexit legacy, too . so would there be legacy, too. so would there be a peeetttttty— legacy, too. so would there be a peeetttttty et— legacy, too. so would there be a peeetttttty et a— legacy, too. so would there be a possibility of a new— legacy, too. so would there be a possibility of a new coming together— possibility of a new coming together en— possibility of a new coming together on the _ possibility of a new coming together on the centre? right. it together on the centre? right. tt wette— together on the centre? right. tt weutt te— together on the centre? right. it would be boris— together on the centre? right. it would be boris johnson. ttete-tt— it would be boris johnson. ttete-tt te— it would be boris johnson. there'll be other mps that would join there'll be other mps that would join tn— there'll be other mps that would join tn wttt— there'll be other mps that would join in with this— there'll be other mps that would join in with this as— there'll be other mps that would join in with this as well. /t:::t. join in with this as well. you ttseuss— join in with this as well. you ttseuss ttts— join in with this as well. you discuss this with— join in with this as well. you discuss this with boris johnson, not with him directly, no. but i have discussed it with- have discussed it with people very— have discussed it with people very eteee— have discussed it with people very eteee te— have discussed it with people very close to him _ have discussed it with people very close to him . very close to him. ukraine's confirmed its counter—offensive against russia is underway . against russia is underway. president volodymyr zelenskyy says he's optimistic about regaining lost territory. ukraine claims its forces have advanced up to 2000m along the front line near the eastern city of bakhmut . russia, though, is of bakhmut. russia, though, is disputing those claims and the met office is warning about the potential of a month's worth of rain falling over parts of the uk in the next 12 hours. that's as temperatures continue to soan as temperatures continue to soar. 30 degrees recorded in suffolk , 32 is a possibility . suffolk, 32 is a possibility. yellow thunderstorm alerts, which have been issued for areas in scotland , northern ireland,

in scotland, northern ireland, england and wales will be in force until 9 pm. tomorrow. and if you think that's hot, a volcano in hawaii is putting on a spectacular show . the big a spectacular show. the big island erupted early on wednesday , spewing ash and a wednesday, spewing ash and a river of lava. the volcano located in a closed national park, is one of the world's most active lava flows there are expected to remain confined to the surrounding crater. torfaen line dab+ tune in radio. this is gb news. now it is time for gloria meets . gloria meets. steve brine concert lviv mp since 2010, you've got a big job in parliament. your chair of the teeth— parliament. your chair of the health select— 131 your chair of the health select committee, which is health select committee, which te ttete — health select committee, which te there a— health select committee, which is there a cross—party group to eetuttntee— is there a cross—party group to scrutinise government's health petteteee—

scrutinise government's health policies? we're— scrutinise government's health policies? we're going to be tetttne— policies? we're going to be talking about— policies? we're going to be talking about that a bit later. eut— talking about that a bit later. but t— talking about that a bit later. but t went— talking about that a bit later. but t went te— talking about that a bit later. but i want to start with where the peteenet— but i want to start with where the personal meets the petttteet— the personal meets the political. you - the personal meets the political. you lost your mum to breast— political. you lost your mum to breast cancer— political. you lost your mum to breast cancer 20 _ political. you lost your mum to breast cancer 20 years ago. you were on your stag— breast cancer 20 years ago. you were on your stag do when you got were on your stag do when you get a— were on your stag do when you get a phone— were on your stag do when you got a phone call.— were on your stag do when you got a phone call. can you take me— got a phone call. can you take me teet— got a phone call. can you take me back te— got a phone call. can you take me back to that— got a phone call. can you take me back to that moment? so i was on my— me back to that moment? so i was on my stag— me back to that moment? so i was on my stag ts— me back to that moment? so i was an my stag as m— me back to that moment? so i was on my stag do in wales and obviously she'd been ill for quite a while and it was almost stag do in wales. and it was the night after the night before and i got a phone call to say, you need get back to to, home need to get back to to, home pronto, which i did. and and that's 20 years ago last month. so but actually , you know, it so but actually, you know, it goes back i mean, like most breast cancer battles it goes back a number of years . and i back a number of years. and i remember very clearly, you know, i was at university in liverpool living in a house with six other boys. it was very clean and orderly, as you can imagine. and of course, nobody a mobile of course, nobody had a mobile phone. one phone by phone. so we had one phone by the front door and the phone never rang me , very rarely. never rang for me, very rarely. but know , i was upstairs and but you know, i was upstairs and the phone rang and one of the

lads called up and said, you know, it's your sister on the phone. and my sister was on the phone. and my sister was on the phone and she didn't often call me to say, you know, mum's got a concern. she's going for an appointment. and that's where that journey started. and so i still this day, i don't like still to this day, i don't like the ringing because the the phone ringing because the phone always seems to bring challenging news. i think so, yeah , that's that's where the yeah, that's that's where the journey started. and then that's where it ended. six weeks before we got married. six weeks before you we got married. six weeks before yaa gat— we got married. six weeks before yea get mamete— we got married. six weeks before you got married? yeah— gtzt : six weeks before you got married? yeah you lost year— you got married? yeah you lost year-maest— you got married? yeah you lost year-maeet .- you got married? yeah you lost your-indeed . so- you got married? yeah you lost your-indeed . so we. you got married? yeah you lost- your-indeed . so we carried your mum? indeed. so we carried on with the plans. exactly as they to the letter because they were to the letter because they were to the letter because the viewed it was, you the way i viewed it was, you know, she'd into the know, she'd walked into the wedding. would have known wedding. she would have known exactly because she'd be involved the planning. so involved in all the planning. so she known exactly she would have known exactly what like. and so we what it looked like. and so we carried on as were. but yeah, carried on as we were. but yeah, it was difficult. what did that getsemat— it was difficult. what did that personal experience- g t: i what did that personal experience teach you meet— personal experience teach you ateat breast— personal experience teach you about breast cancer? about about mew— about breast cancer? about about hey we— about breast cancer? about about hey we teat— about breast cancer? about about how we deal with— about breast cancer? about about how we deal with it— about breast cancer? about about how we deal with it in this eeamtty— how we deal with it in this country, about— how we deal with it in this country, about how families deal wttt— country, about how families deal wttt tt— country, about how families deal wttt tt .— country, about how families deal wttt tt . weat— country, about how families deal with it . what did— country, about how families deal with it . what did you learn? with it. what did you learn? mett— with it. what did you learn? well, everybody— with it. what did you learn? well, everybody comes into pettttes—

well, everybody comes into politics with _ well, everybody comes into politics with a _ well, everybody comes into politics with a story , right, of politics with a story, right, of some sort. and— politics with a story, right, of some sort. ' gt; some sort. and everyone brings personal experiences into politics and they shape what they to do. and you know they want to do. and you know what like when you into what it's like when you get into parliament. are parliament. they say, what are you interested and i said, you interested in? and i said, i'm interested health. i i'm interested in health. and i certainly didn't a clinical certainly didn't have a clinical background, i was interested background, but i was interested in per but i was in health per se. but i was particularly interested in cancen particularly interested in cancer. the breast cancer. i chaired the breast cancer. i chaired the breast cancer for many years cancer group for many years along with sharon hodgson, who i know you know, who's good know you know, who's a good friend my shadow when friend and was my shadow when i was minister. and, was a cancer minister. and, you know, in the whips know, and i was in the whips office and they said, know office and they said, you know what? jeremy hunt's. and what? i was jeremy hunt's. and they what? would you they said, what? what would you like if you left the whips like to do if you left the whips office departmental job? office for a departmental job? and i'd love to be the and i said i'd love to be the cancer minister at the department of health, you know, and were like, that's and they were like, well, that's very people just very specific. most people just say, to a minister. say, i want to be a minister. whatever it is, i want to be a minister. and i said, i want to be the cancer minister at the pubuc be the cancer minister at the public minister. public health minister. that's all to do. it's the all i wanted to do. it's the only job i wanted in government. so those so you know, those that experience shaped me. experience sort of shaped me. i'd always wanted to be in politics, but it gave me a

mission, like. it gave me mission, if you like. it gave me a you know, i hope i a zeal. and, you know, i hope i hopein a zeal. and, you know, i hope i hope in my time as cancer minister and my time in parliament so far, i hope i've i've done my bit to maybe stop the ringing a few more the phone ringing for a few more people. you think about your people. did you think about your mum day that went mum on the day that you went into department of health? into the department of health? oh, 100, yeah. and the day i made my speech. yeah. and made my maiden speech. yeah. and you know, but so that's the you know, but yes. so that's the personal. mean, obviously, personal. but i mean, obviously, you 12,000 women a you know, we lose 12,000 women a year to breast cancer and some men shouldn't forget , we men you shouldn't forget, we lose 12,000 women a year. and one of the reasons why i bought the breast cancer bill to parliament, which was the first time that i spoke about my personal experience, because obviously i knew it. but in all the chaired the breast the years i chaired the breast cancer group, i used to just allude the fact that this was allude to the fact that this was allude to the fact that this was a matter i cared about a matter that i cared about a lot, but i never actually said why to parliament, to colleagues or constituents. and when or to my constituents. and when i introduced the breast cancer bill around screening, i said , bill around screening, i said, you know, and this is an issue that i've pursued for a long

time and now everybody knows why. so, yeah, you know, it's in a way, you know, it's you've got to take the bad things that happenin to take the bad things that happen in life and use them as fuel to drive you because something good has got come something good has got to come out of something very bad. what's your assessment of how the-tamer— what's your assessment of how the cancer screening the breast cancer screening ptegtamme— the breast cancer screening programme now the breast cancer screening. programme—now ? the breast cancer screening- programme_now ? for programme is working now? for eaamete— programme is working now? for eaamgteltay— programme is working now? for examgteltay et— programme is working now? for example, day of recording example, the day of recording we're recording— example, the day of recording we're recording on thursday for tms— we're recording on thursday for this interview— we're recording on thursday for this interview to _ we're recording on thursday for this interview to be broadcast on this interview to be broadcast em samtay.— this interview to be broadcast em samtay. eat— this interview to be broadcast on sunday. but the royal college of radiologists— on sunday. but the royal college of radiologists have just today sata— of radiologists have just today satt they— of radiologists have just today satt ttey ae— of radiologists have just today said they are struggling to meytte— said they are struggling to provide safe— said they are struggling to provide safe cancer care . provide safe cancer care. they-ve— provide safe cancer care. ttey-ye teem— provide safe cancer care. they've been struggling for a long time . so, i mean, there was long time. so, i mean, there was already a backlog and there's been a long argument and there was i was minister, was before i was the minister, there when i was there was during when i was a minister about we're over, we're screening too many people and we're leading to overtreat treatment. bought that treatment. i never bought that argument because frankly, early diagnosis cancer's magic key . diagnosis cancer's magic key. the quicker you diagnose cancers in breast being the best example, you know you can you can treat it and very very few people die of primary breast

cancen people die of primary breast cancer. most people die of secondary breast cancer. so you know, never bought that argument . but there was a there was there was challenge in the breast screening programme before some data before there had been some data breaches people had not before there had been some data breaccalled people had not before there had been some data breaccalled back. tople had not before there had been some data breaccalled back. iple had not before there had been some data breaccalled back. i remembert been called back. i remember that happened time that happened during my time that happened during my time that broke my heart when that happened and worked really happened and we worked really hard to cut through and hard to cut through that and work through that backlog. and then covid happened. then of course, covid happened. and many and i've said publicly many times, think it times, gloria, that i think it was the wrong decision to was it was the wrong decision to stop the breast screening programme during covid. you know, many , many know, there were many, many there were ways of continuing that on on hot sites , cold that on on hot sites, cold sites, you know, oncology services were separated out in my local trust in winchester, there a way carry on that there was a way to carry on that programme and all that's done is added to the backlog. now the radiologists that radiologists report that you're talking staffing talking about is about staffing in cancer community. see, in the cancer community. see, and this is a much wider piece, right? the nhs will out right? so the nhs will bring out its, its long term workforce plan soon. i hope it will come out before summer recess and thatis out before summer recess and that is hugely anticipated

within the cancer community, within the cancer community, within the cancer community, within the health community, because that is finally hopefully going to set the nhs on a trajectory to get the staff that it needs. things have got a lot better in cancer diagnosis and the fact that we've got so many more people coming forward is a good thing. it's a success story because it means that people are spotting the signs and of cancer and and symptoms of cancer and they're forward. but they're coming forward. but of course, good just course, it's no good just getting them come forward getting them to come forward once we then diagnose, we've then quickly then got to treat really quickly because diagnosis is the because early diagnosis is the magic you can't turn magic key. but you can't turn the key the lock unless you the key in the lock unless you do treatment. so you lose do the treatment. so you lose your do the treatment. so you lose yem zo— do the treatment. so you lose your mum. 20 years- do the treatment. so you lose your mum. 20 years ago- so you lose your mum. 20 years ago to breast tmee — your mum. 20 years ago to breast cancer, three years— your mum. 20 years ago to breast cancer, three years ago, you tese— cancer, three years ago, you tese year— cancer, three years ago, you lose your dad. _ cancer, three years ago, you lose your dad. yeah. to cancer. so lose your dad. yeah. to cancer. se me— lose your dad. yeah. to cancer. so the stay— lose your dad. yeah. to cancer. so the day parliament- lose your dad. yeah. to cancer. so the day parliament is- so the day parliament is dissolved for the 2019 general election, he's diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and he was dying throughout the campaign . dying throughout the campaign. so empty, chaired by my so i was empty, chaired by my opponents at one of the hustings because i had was the day he was moved to a hospice. they got to live with them doing that and he died after the died three days after the general election. pancreatic general election. and pancreatic cancen

general election. and pancreatic cancer. you know, in ways, cancer. you know, in many ways, unlike breast, know, it is unlike breast, you know, it is not symptomatic until it is stage to stage three. often and so you know, he didn't stand a chance. so you know, he didn't stand a chance . and that's why the chance. and that's why the gallery trial is so important . gallery trial is so important. and there's been a lot in the news recently on the gallery trial, which is about a single draw of blood, which we think and we're still trying it. we're still testing at the moment, could different could detect 50 different cancers anon—symptomatic cancers as a non—symptomatic stage. mean , we are talking stage. i mean, we are talking holy grail here because non symptomatic detection of cancer in many cancers is the is the is the real magic key. and you know, and pancreatic cancer is one of those where that would be be an absolute game changer. yeah right. let's go to the yeah right. let'sdgo to the big yeah right. let's go to the big job yeah right. let's go to the big yet that— yeah right. let's go to the big yet that t— yeah right. let's go to the big job that i refer— yeah right. let's go to the big job that i refer to— yeah right. let's go to the big job that i refer to that you're smatt— job that i refer to that you're etatt et— job that i refer to that you're etatt et tte— job that i refer to that you're chair of the health select eemmtttee — chair of the health select committee and the business that is committee and the business that ts emgaget— committee and the business that ts emgaget m— committee and the business that ts emgaget m at— committee and the business that is engaged in at moment. is engaged in at the moment. team— is engaged in at the moment. team tea-te— is engaged in at the moment. yeah. you're-at- is engaged in at the moment. yeah. you're at the very yeah. you're looking at the very ttemy— yeah. you're looking at the very tmemy satay-est— yeah. you're looking at the very thorny subject of— yeah. you're looking at the very thorny subject of assisted tymg. — thorny subject of assisted tymg. tea-te— thorny subject of assisted dying. you're hearing evidence trem— dying. you're hearing evidence ttem a— dying. you're hearing evidence ttem a very— dying. you're hearing evidence from a very motty of sources at

the— from a very motty of sources at the memem— from a very motty of sources at the memem .— from a very motty of sources at the moment. has— from a very motty of sources at the moment. has there been amytmmg— the moment. has there been amytmmg m— the moment. has there been anything in particular that steet— anything in particular that steet eat— anything in particular that stood out for— anything in particular that stood out for you or are you stttt— stood out for you or are you stttt tattmg— stood out for you or are you still taking it— stood out for you or are you still taking it all— stood out for you or are you still taking it all in? lots of tttmgs— still taking it all in? lots of ttmgs. se— still taking it all in? lots of ttmgs. so we— still taking it all in? lots of things. so we went to oregon , to things. so we went to oregon, to portland, oregon, in the us , portland, oregon, in the us, which was the first state to legalise the death with dignity legislation . and many other legislation. and many other states in the have it now. states in the union have it now. of course, you know , holland and of course, you know, holland and belgium had it for some belgium have had it for some time. it . what stood time. canada has it. what stood out to me is that every jurisdiction that is introduced, assisted dying legislation on it has changed from where it started. so when people say there is a slippery slope , there there is a slippery slope, there is some veracity to that argument , is some veracity to that argument, right? so in canada , argument, right? so in canada, they are currently they have they are currently they have they have gone through the legislative process for this and they will bring it in, i think, very soon. that you could seek assisted suicide for mental health challenges in holland. thatis health challenges in holland. that is already the case. many, many people in this country who propose changes to the law say there's no way that that would would ever happen. there's no way that it would be the case

for children. and it is the case that you seek it for that you can seek it for children with parental permission holland at the permission in holland at the moment mike, what stood out moment. so, mike, what stood out for me is how the jurist fictions that have introduced it, things have moved on. they've sort of got the first bit and then they've come back for that's not to say for more. now that's not to say that you once you you shouldn't make the moral decision to make this change. farage what we're about producing a very, very, about is producing a very, very, i hope, risk thoughtful, sober, sensible piece of work that will inform probably the next parliament. this is not a government decision. it's a parliamentary decision. and the courts have been absolutely crystal clear . this is a crystal clear. this is a decision for parliament, not the courts. and there was a vote on this when we were both mps together. you're still there. etvteasty,— together. you're still there. obviously, there _ 3 you're still there. obviously, there was a vote in mm — obviously, there was a vote in mm t— obviously, there was a vote in mm t teatty— obviously, there was a vote in 2013. i really wrestled and i eeattm-t— 2013. i really wrestled and i couldn't decide.— 2013. i really wrestled and i couldn't decide. i didn't vote . couldn't decide. i didn't vote. amt— couldn't decide. i didn't vote. amt yea— couldn't decide. i didn't vote. and you voted— couldn't decide. i didn't vote. and you voted against it, did do you and you voted against it, did do yea tmmt— and you voted against it, did do yea tmmt tast— and you voted against it, did do yea tmmt tast ty— and you voted against it, did do you think just by listening to tats— you think just by listening to mm the— you think just by listening to this, the evidence might you change— this, the evidence might you change year— this, the evidence might you change your mind? yes i change your mind? yes because, you change your mind? yes because,

yea mew.— change your mind? yes because, yea mew. t-m— change your mind? yes because, yea tmew. m a— change your mind? yes because, you know, i'm a christian in politics and i've made no secret of the fact, but i'm not elected as a christian conservative. i happen to be a christian and i happen to be a christian and i happen to be in politics. and i am a conservative. but so there was definitely a factor in me voting against it before on moral grounds. but as a politician, you are there to look at the evidence. and as a select committee chair, i won 100. that is my job to lead a cross—party committee that's doing that. and yeah, i might change my mind . and i haven't i change my mind. and i haven't i haven't arrived at a place yet. and there is no vote. and you know who knows if i'll be in the next parliament. that's not up to me. but, but at the end of the day, i suspect that the next parliament will have a vote on this. i suspect whether it comes through private member's bill through a private member's bill from commons through from the commons or through someone lords, someone from the lords, i suspect next parliament will suspect the next parliament will have and have another vote on this. and then that the work that then i hope that the work that we've produced will inform that debate around jurisdictions that already legalised already have it legalised around the arguments . the slippery slope arguments. it's around relief of

it's around the relief of suffering , arguments around all suffering, arguments around all the arguments around palliative care or bad care and how good or bad palliative so we're palliative care is. so we're about informing the debate and like all these inquiries you seek public engagement on this. you boy, have we had it. this mgatty— you boy, have we had it. this mgatty ts.— you boy, have we had it. this mgatty ts. t— you boy, have we had it. this inquiry is, i think, the biggest engaged public select committee inquiry in history. so we have had about five 30,000 responses to our initial call for ideas and call for evidence. the clerks are absolutely thrilled with me . and, you know, and this with me. and, you know, and this this inquiry, a lot a lot of the people who replied obviously were connected to the two sides of the campaign. but but many, many weren't. and we've had evidence submitted to us from all around the world. and, you know, we're going have a session with swiss and talking to with the swiss and talking to dignitas in few weeks time. dignitas in a few weeks time. but it's been absolutely huge , but it's been absolutely huge, the response we've had to this. so there is huge interest in this. and i always take the view that who about this that people who care about this a really care about this.

a lot really care about this. whichever are a lot whichever side. there are a lot of people and i think you're probably in that place, they they're , but they're they're interested, but they're not sure where they stand. i hope we can inform that a little bit. talking about inquiries as an bit. talking about inquiries as am mgatty— bit. talking about inquiries as am mgatty mat— g talking about inquiries as an inquiry that you're not part of an inquiry that you're not part et emet— an inquiry that you're not part of other than— an inquiry that you're not part of other than to— an inquiry that you're not part of other than to observe as a gatttamemtaty— of other than to observe as a parliamentary and a very senior parliamentarian— parliamentary and a very senior parliamentarian ._ parliamentary and a very senior parliamentarian . the covid parliamentarian. the covid mgatty— parliamentarian. the covid mgatty ts— parliamentarian. the covid mgatty ts awe— parliamentarian. the covid inquiry is now underway. it will start— inquiry is now underway. it will start teattmg— inquiry is now underway. it will start hearing evidence . yes. start hearing evidence. yes. teat— start hearing evidence. yes. team tats— start hearing evidence. yes. yeah this week. _ start hearing evidence. yes. yeah this week. it's not going to yeah this week. it's not going te repeat— yeah this week. it's not going to report until— yeah this week. it's not going to report until 2025. it's atteaty— to report until 2025. it's already cost— to report until 2025. it's already cost over £100 million. is already cost over £100 million. ts tats— already cost over £100 million. ts mm a— already cost over £100 million. ts mm a geet— already cost over £100 million. is this a good use— already cost over £100 million. is this a good use of time and memeye— is this a good use of time and memeye t— is this a good use of time and money? i think— is this a good use of time and money? i think it's the right tmmg— money? i think it's the right tmmg te— money? i think it's the right tmmg te te. — money? i think it's the right thing to do. “cit; ”c: thing to do. there was remember, there was huge demand from the opposition an and from the families of the relatives that lost their lives for there to be an inquiry. i mean, other countries have already concluded their inquiry, so i'm not sure why to that long. why it needs to take that long. but you know, the government say they've submitted some they've already submitted some 55,000 the the 55,000 documents to the to the inquiry baroness inquiry. so i mean, baroness hallett very respected and hallett is very respected and she'll do she'll do a good job.

what i'm worried about is not so much the cost because, you know, a lot of people died. a lot of people lost their livelihoods. so i'm worried about it becoming a so the talk about a circus. so the talk about boris's notebooks , i mean, most boris's notebooks, i mean, most people the street, people out there on the street, but, you know, boris's notebooks to whom to what they pass to the cabinet office, did or cabinet office, who did or didn't to baroness didn't pass it to baroness hallett they're just like, this is lost. right? me included. is lost. me right? me included. right. too . i don't care right. me too. i don't care about boris's notebooks. if he wants give the wants to give them to the inquiry, give them to the inquiry. they can play the games they like. what i'm interested inquiry. they can play the games thtis,.ike. what i'm interested inquiry. they can play the games theis,.ik

learned. actually matt hancock deserves because deserves credit here because matt the uk health matt set up the uk health security agency, which split out from public health england to be the horizon, scanning to look at future pandemics , to look at flu future pandemics, to look at flu , to look at monkeypox . that's , to look at monkeypox. that's already happening . so we've already happening. so we've already happening. so we've already learned some of the lessons of the pandemic, and it's not the case that nothing will move forward until 2025. so you know, direct answer to your question , yes, it's worth doing question, yes, it's worth doing . yes, i think the chair is good and i respect her. and yes, it will cost money. but public inquiries do cost money. and the alternative is for the government to have just said we're not doing one. and i don't think that would have been credible position for boris johnson. steve. brian perfect example— johnson. steve. brian perfect examete-tte- "" steve. brian perfect example the personal example of how the personal meets— example of how the personal meets the— example of how the personal meets the political. thank you very— meets the political. thank you very-mmet.— meets the political. thank you very indeed. thank you. very much indeed. thank you. cemtmg—tatt- very much indeed. thank you. coming—ruth jones coming up, labour's ruth jones tetattemsmes— coming up, labour's ruth jones relationships are— coming up, labour's ruth jones relationships are so important . relationships are so important. ama— relationships are so important. me am— relationships are so important. amt ate am— relationships are so important. amt ate am t— relationships are so important. and who am i to— relationships are so important. and who am i to say— relationships are so important. and who am i to say to- relationships are so important. and who am i to say to somebody else, you can't get married in the sight of god? no that's not

for me to say. conservative mp meaty— for me to say. conservative mp aemy smttm — for me to say. conservative mp henry smith. but— for me to say. conservative mp henry smith. but i— conservative mp henry smith. but i also think mete-s— henry smith. but i also think ttete-s am— henry smith. but i also think there's an important point of my— there's an important point of amtty tet— there's an important point of amtty tea tte— there's an important point of unity for the sake of delivering for unity for the sake of delivering tea tte— unity for the sake of delivering for the country. _ unity for the sake of delivering for the country. i— unity for the sake of delivering for the country. "

. ian, you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. ruth jones , labour mp, elected ruth jones, labour mp, elected as the mp for newport at the age of 56, you were elected in a by—election in 2019, so still relatively new. you're in your tast— relatively new. you're in your test team.— relatively new. you're in your test term. t— relatively new. you're in your first term. it was— relatively new. you're in your first term. it was third- mint you're in your first term. it was third time. tasty— first term. it was third time. tasty tet— first term. it was third time. tasty tea yea — first term. it was third time. lucky for you standing for parliament. _ lucky for you standing for parliament. my goodness, does it mate— parliament. my goodness, does it mate tt— parliament. my goodness, does it mate tt att— parliament. my goodness, does it make it all the— parliament. my goodness, does it make it all the sweeter to get ttaeaee — make it all the sweeter to get ttaeaee ves— make it all the sweeter to get ttaeaee ves. t— make it all the sweeter to get there? “tit; make it all the sweeter to get there? 41:73 make it all the sweeter to get there? /t1:5 there? yes, i suppose so. i knew what i was getting into by that

point. so you put west is my home town. so it was great to be able to stand in my own place. i'd been an activist for 20 years there, it's really years there, so it's really important i was real. you important that i was real. you know, i born brought up know, i born and brought up there. knew me. no there. everyone knew me. it's no good saying, oh, she's just parachuted in. no, no, we know her. parachuted in. no, no, we know hen up parachuted in. no, no, we know her. up road. you her. she's from up the road. you know. that was quite know. so that was quite handy. and had a proper job before and you had a properjob before you into politics. you were you came into politics. you were a physiotherapist.— you came into politics. you were a physiotherapist. would- a physiotherapist. would gettttes— a physiotherapist. would gettttes te— a physiotherapist. would politics be better if more , most politics be better if more, most or politics be better if more, most ea att— politics be better if more, most or all politicians— politics be better if more, most or all politicians had a proper job or all politicians had a proper tet teteae— or all politicians had a proper job before getting into parliament?- job before getting into parliament? i think it helps. it parliament? i think it helps. tt metas— parliament? i think it helps. tt tetps atem — parliament? i think it helps. it helps when you _ parliament? i think it helps. it helps when you meet- parliament? i think it helps. it helps when you meet people. i mean, obviously i think the physio job is the best job in the world, but it teaches you how to meet people and get on with people. people have respect for you. the fact you've done shifts, done unsocial shifts, you've done unsocial hours, know what it's like hours, you know what it's like to have enough money at the to have not enough money at the end of the month. you know, to struggle a bit. people, people get so a real get you. so you're a real person. they're a real person. and helps with the and i think it helps with the communication. yeah. and give us some communication. yeah. and give us paaetteat— communication. yeah. and give us some practical advice— communication. yeah. and give us some practical advice then,- i 1“ tifg t1:t" “415?" and give us some practical advice then, as we att—

some practical advice then, as we at get— some practical advice then, as we all get older,— some practical advice then, as we all get older, what can we do to we all get older, what can we do te ayett— we all get older, what can we do to avoid those— we all get older, what can we do to avoid those annoying aches amt— to avoid those annoying aches amt gates— to avoid those annoying aches amt gams amt— to avoid those annoying aches and pains and to— to avoid those annoying aches and pains and to ensure that we stttt— and pains and to ensure that we stttt eaaay— and pains and to ensure that we still carry ourselves well ? still carry ourselves well? i mean, basically— still carry ourselves well? i mean, basically it's- still carry ourselves well? i mean, basically it's as- still carry ourselves well? i mean, basically it's as you get older, you eat less , move more older, you eat less, move more us sorry about that . that's bad us sorry about that. that's bad news. but yeah, move, moving is really important because if you get aches and pains, the tendency is to freeze. and that's the vicious circle. then the pain makes you freeze the muscle spasm makes it worse. and so you don't move even more. and therefore that's not good therefore that's not a good thing. break cycle , get thing. so break the cycle, get out move a bit. maybe out there and move a bit. maybe something as simple as going for a every day. but just get a walk every day. but just get out and do some exercise. out there and do some exercise. do you do you practise what do you do do you practise what you— do you do do you practise what yea paeaem— do you do do you practise what yea paeaem — do you do do you practise what you preach? yeah,— do you do do you practise what you preach? yeah, i- do you do do you practise what you preach? “415?" you preach? yeah, i have to, yes. i'm have yes. because i'm physios have arthritis achy joints. yes. because i'm physios have arthritis achyjoints. you arthritis, achy joints. so you have so, yes, i have to keep moving. so, yes, i definitely day. do definitely do every day. do something. yeah and i read that going— something. yeah and i read that getmg te— something. yeah and i read that getmg te mamm— something. yeah and i read that going to church is— something. yeah and i read that going to church is an— g “415?" and i read that going to church is an important part— going to church is an important paat et— going to church is an important paat et yeaa— going to church is an important paat et yeaa ttte— going to church is an important part of your life .— going to church is an important part of your life . when did you part of your life. when did you ttseevea— part of your life. when did you ttseevea yeaa— part of your life. when did you discover your faith ? discover your faith? i've always teem— discover your faith? i've always been taken to church by my gran, so i was three when i first

started going to church, to chapel. chapel. we have in wales and i was i always knew god was there, but it was just i was about 14 when i suddenly thought, do you know what? yeah, ineed thought, do you know what? yeah, i need a relationship rather than just thinking about it. i need get on and do something. need to get on and do something. so from 14, i've had a relationship with and that's relationship with god and that's fixed me and that makes me who i am today. tell me about what it te— am today. tell me about what it te tave— am today. tell me about what it means to have a— : tell me about what it means to have a relationship atta— means to have a relationship wttt set— means to have a relationship wttt get em— means to have a relationship with god on a— means to have a relationship with god on a practical level, it with god on a practical level, tt takes— with god on a practical level, tt takes the— with god on a practical level, it takes the strain— with god on a practical level, it takes the strain because yae— it takes the strain because ye met— it takes the strain because ye met em— it takes the strain because you're not on your own. /t1:t you're not on your own. you've ataays— you're not on your own. you've ataays get— you're not on your own. you've always got somebody there. you also meet brilliant people in church, in parliament, we've got an all party parliamentary group of christians and we meet for bible study for prayer and it just makes a difference. you know, there are other people, friends, doesn't matter what political persuasion they are. they're there for you and with you and. yeah. and it just it just frames your whole life really . and does it help for you really. and does it help for you to really. and does it help for you

te may— really. and does it help for you te pray amt— really. and does it help for you to pray and read— really. and does it help for you to pray and read the— ”55ch and does it help for you to pray and read the bible with peeete— to pray and read the bible with geegte mem— to pray and read the bible with people from different parties, taem— people from different parties, taem taem — people from different parties, from from your— people from different parties, from from your own ? is it all, from from your own? is it all, you— from from your own? is it all, yea meta— from from your own? is it all, yea mew, me— from from your own? is it all, you know, nice and kind and any etmea— you know, nice and kind and any other political— you know, nice and kind and any other political differences ? other political differences? t hey _ other political differences? they go _ other political differences? tmey ge eat— other political differences? they go out the window as soon as ye sat— they go out the window as soon as you're sat together in gaayea. — as you're sat together in gaayea. t— as you're sat together in prayer. i mean, we still have disagreements.— prayer. i mean, we still have disagreements. _ prayer. i mean, we still have disagreements. /t1:t prayer. i mean, we still have disagreements. /t1:4 disagreements. you know, a there may be a passage about a woman. and i might say, well, do you know what i think the woman should have? and then the men might say, well, no, no. and might say, well, no, no, no. and that's political. that might that's not political. that might be just a woman versus a male difference. but good to difference. but it's good to talk. you talk, the talk. but the more you talk, the more you get to understand somebody else's point of view. but you can get point but you can get your own point of as well. do you of view across as well. do you think the church _ of view across as well. do you think the church has- . do you think the church has done enough to think the church has done enough te-ttsett— think the church has done enough te-ttsett m— think the church has done enough to-itself in the— think the church has done enough to itself in the modern to root itself in the modern wett— to root itself in the modern aeatt te— to root itself in the modern world to recreate itself for the meat— world to recreate itself for the meat eemtaay— world to recreate itself for the next century, or— world to recreate itself for the next century, or are there world to recreate itself for the next cen you or are there world to recreate itself for the next cen you would there world to recreate itself for the next cen you would like �*e world to recreate itself for the next cen you would like to see? changes you would like to see? i changes you would like to see? t—te— changes you would like to see? t—te see— changes you would like to see? t—te meae- changes you would like to see? | i_to see more change. i would like to see more change. i would like to see more change. i church has sat back i think the church has sat back and waited for people to come to it, whereas us, to be it, whereas us, we need to be out there. people need to be. the church is not the building. the church is not the building. the is the people. so the the church is the people. so the people be out there people should be out there getting life. social

getting on with life. social justice, homelessness. these are all issues. what are we all big issues. what are we doing tackle these? we had doing to tackle these? we had a minister on sunday, a lovely old friend of mine who said, you can be angry . it's not not wrong to be angry. it's not not wrong to be angry. it's not not wrong to be angry. it's not not wrong to be angry at the situation that's going on. it's really going on. so it's really important you get angry. important that you get angry. sure. but do something about it. and when it comes to equal marriage , kyiv correct me if i'm marriage, kyiv correct me if i'm if i'm wrong, i think the church can perform blessings , but not can perform blessings, but not not a full marriage ceremony . it not a full marriage ceremony. it depends on on where you're thinking of gay couples. yes. yes. so it depends on which church you go to. love is love. and it s it's all about relationships. again it's relationships, you know, god. but also people. relationships are so important. and who am i to say to somebody else? you can't get married in the sight of god ? no, that's not for me to of god? no, that's not for me to say . have you been involved in say. have you been involved in metas— say. have you been involved in etetas as— say. have you been involved in etetas as eat— say. have you been involved in choirs as part of— say. have you been involved in choirs as part of the— have you been involved in choirs as part of the church? do you— choirs as part of the church? do yea stag— choirs as part of the church? do yea stmg e— choirs as part of the church? do yea stmg eves. — choirs as part of the church? do you sing ? yes. i'm— choirs as part of the church? do

you sing ? yes. you sing? yes. i'm a welsh woman. of course i sing. so yes , i've always i've always sung . , i've always i've always sung. i've had some brilliant memories being in a choir. oh, gosh. i've had some brilliant memories being in a choir. oh, gosh . 30 being in a choir. oh, gosh. 30 odd years, you know, singing every week was really important. and that's the one thing i miss. being in parliament, but i can't do regular singing with my choir. so i miss that. but i go and listen to them whenever i can. more from ruth jones after the break. i understand vaping as eat— the break. i understand vaping as paat et— the break. i understand vaping as paat et a— the break. i understand vaping as paat et a step— i understand vaping as part of a step down process taem— as part of a step down process taem smettmg— as part of a step down process from smoking cigarettes to stegpmg— from smoking cigarettes to stopping completely . stopping completely. i understand— stopping completely. i understand that- stopping completely. i understand that can be part of the journey. what i don't want to see though, is this massive increase in people under 18

revved up with me patrick christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . and you radio. and you held a debate recently on vaping and the

effect it has on on on children. but too many children are vaping was but too many children are vaping tasteatty— but too many children are vaping was basically the— but too many children are vaping was basically the argument that you was basically the argument that yea weae— was basically the argument that you were making— was basically the argument that you were making and what do you want— you were making and what do you want te— you were making and what do you want te te— you were making and what do you want to do about— you were making and what do you want to do about that? what meets— want to do about that? what meets te— want to do about that? what needs to change _ want to do about that? what needs to change in your view? so needs to change in your view? so wattag— needs to change in your view? so wapmg. t— needs to change in your view? so vaping, i understand- needs to change in your view? so vaping, i understand vaping as part of a step down process from smoking cigarettes to stopping completely. i understand that can be part of the journey. what i don't want to see though is this massive increase in people under 18 vaping now vaping should not. it should not be allowed because it's only for to be sold to people over 18 anyway. vape vapes are for people over 18, but in schools it's a massive issue. we've got to the situation where people cannot situation where people cannot sit a two hour exam without having to go out for vape. really? yes and this is this is awful . you know, this is not awful. you know, this is not right. there's the health issues. we don't know about the health issues. these are developing lungs. i've got a passion for developing lungs and make as a physio, we want make sure as a physio, we want to sure people have the to make sure people have the cleanest vaping.

cleanest air. you're vaping. what taking in? because what are you taking in? because it's not just nicotine, it's the chemicals that it. you chemicals that go with it. you know, these know, you're ingesting these things. know . there are things. we don't know. there are no longitudinal studies as to the health effects. took us a long time for the tobacco companies to that nicotine companies to admit that nicotine is carcinogenic risk. and is a carcinogenic risk. and they're doing the same thing now with vaping. oh, no, it's all lovely. it's all lovely. bubble gum, flavour, orange flavour. lovely. it's all lovely. bubble gum, flavcthey're |ge flavour. lovely. it's all lovely. bubble gum, flavcthey're very.avour. you know, they're very attractive and then of course, there's waste. single there's the waste. the single use . people throw use disposables. people throw them away afterwards . the them away afterwards. the plastic is wasted. there's lots of precious metals them as of precious metals in them as well, well as the chemicals. well, as well as the chemicals. so not really on top of so we're not really on top of what's going on. we need to be clearer about the problems and the and what we should do the issues and what we should do to underage vaping to stop underage teens vaping and that's your basic campaign on that. people that children are on that. people that children wattag— on that. people that children wapmg. mew— on that. people that children are vaping. how do- t:t1“ people that children are vaping. how do you stop meme— are vaping. how do you stop them? because— are vaping. how do you stop them? because i'm just trying to tank— them? because i'm just trying to tank wtem— them? because i'm just trying to tank wtem yea— them? because i'm just trying to think when you and i were yeamgea— think when you and i were yeamgea. se— think when you and i were yeamgea. se t— think when you and i were younger, so i started and i wasmt— younger, so i started and i wasn't alone,— younger, so i started and i wasn't alone, but i started smettmg— wasn't alone, but i started smoking really— wasn't alone, but i started smoking really young. smoking etgaaettes. — smoking really young. smoking etgaaettes. wee— smoking really young. smoking cigarettes. yep yep. do young geeete—

cigarettes. yep yep. do young geegte tast— cigarettes. yep yep. do young geegte tast te— cigarettes. yep yep. do young people just do daft things ? people just do daft things? yest— people just do daft things? yes, absolutely.— people just do daft things? yes, absolutely. which- people just do daft things? t/t:5 t,:,.t 1�* ti. 1�* people just do daft things? yes, absolutely. which is why, you know, with cigarettes now you've put them behind the doors . people can't see them. they have to ask for them. big notices, you know , this kills notices, you know, this kills you, you know, very clearly. and so it should be with vaping this, this is potentially a killer. now the tobacco industries don't want that . and industries don't want that. and it's interesting to see how smoothly they've got into gear to say, oh , a lot of fuss about to say, oh, a lot of fuss about nothing here, nothing to see here, move on. so that's what makes me think i'm doing the right thing. final question whats— right thing. final question whats the— . g 1g final question what's the toughest or . q4 1g final question what's the toughest or more most ameaeeetet— what's the toughest or more most unexpected thing— what's the toughest or more most unexpected thing about becoming an unexpected thing about becoming am we— unexpected thing about becoming am at t— unexpected thing about becoming am we set— unexpected thing about becoming am we set gesta— unexpected thing about becoming an mp ? oh gosh, it's probably an mp? oh gosh, it's probably the at— an mp? oh gosh, it's probably the at the— an mp? oh gosh, it's probably the all the different levels yae— the all the different levels ye get— the all the different levels ye get te— the all the different levels you've got to work on. it: you've got to work on. so you're weatmg— you've got to work on. so you're working with a constituent . working with a constituent. saturday morning i had a surgery. we're talking about palestine and a footbridge in our local area. you know, very different things to talk about with local people but fabulous really good to meet local people . and then you might be in a

debate up here about new legislation which you want to make better . legislation which you want to make better. and you can't make it better because the government's got the votes, you know, and those are the sorts of frustrating different levels is but so , so amazing to be here. but so, so amazing to be here. and you know , such a privilege. and you know, such a privilege. so i just i just sit back every day and go, oh, my word. okay what are you going to do today, ruth, to make it better? are there particular ? g , are there particular challenges ateat— there particular challenges ateat tetmg— there particular challenges about being a— there particular challenges about being a woman, a member of taattamemte — about being a woman, a member of parliament? isuppose_ about being a woman, a member of parliament? isuppose i- about being a woman, a member of parliament? t:t:t1�* . parliament? i suppose i don't. i'm an older woman, so i don't get the issues that the younger women have, and i'm quite happy to call it out. you know, over the years i've dealt with sexual harassment in previous jobs, in the trade union movement. you know, i'm quite happy to call it out for myself, but i feel for other women who do get abuse online, especially online . but online, especially online. but even face to face, you know, it's not it's not good. and it should be called out . can you should be called out. can you tell me anything— should be called out. can you tell me anything about- can you tell me anything about the seaat— tell me anything about the sexual harassment you you emtaaet— sexual harassment you you emtaaet e — sexual harassment you you emtaaet e t— sexual harassment you you endured ? 1�* g sexual harassment you you endured ? g g sexual harassment you you- endured ? i mean, it was it was a endured? i mean, it was it was a long time ago. and looking back

, what should i have done things differently ? yes. i should have differently? yes. i should have called it out at the time. but as a younger woman, i wanted to get on in the trade union world. so i. i i went around it. there are ways to avoid, you know, if you know that person is there, you know that person is there, you don't sit next to them. you try not to be in their presence. you're certainly out of arm's reach. and that's just the way it was. you just avoided ruth jones first time we've had a proper chat , actually. it's been proper chat, actually. it's been a pleasure to meet— proper chat, actually. it's been a pleasure to meet you.- i i it's been a pleasure to meet you. thank yea.— a pleasure to meet you. thank yea-yea— a pleasure to meet you. thank yea-yea .— a pleasure to meet you. thank yea-yea . cemtmg- a pleasure to meet you. thank you. you . coming up, you. thank you. coming up, conservative— you. thank you. coming up, conservative henry smith. conservative mp henry smith. i tea-t— conservative mp henry smith. i tea-t ttmt— conservative mp henry smith. i don't think the— conservative mp henry smith. i don't think the next— conservative mp henry smith. i don't think the next election is in the bag for anybody. and so the interesting time of british politics, i think , continues .

on mark dolan tonight we react to the bombshell news that nicola sturgeon has been arrested. what now for independence- : what now for independence and the future of

seettamt-s— independence and the future of scotland's largest— independence and the future of scotland's largest governing party?— scotland's largest governing pattyewe-tt— scotland's largest governing pattye we-tt te— scotland's largest governing party? we'll be speaking to key getttteat— party? we'll be speaking to key political figures— party? we'll be speaking to key political figures north of the teatea. — political figures north of the teatea. amt— political figures north of the border. and i'll— political figures north of the border. and i'll be reacting in my tate— border. and i'll be reacting in my take at— border. and i'll be reacting in my take at ten. _ border. and i'll be reacting in my take at ten. in my big egtmtem— my take at ten. in my big opinion, painful blow. his tegaataae— opinion, painful blow. his departure was— opinion, painful blow. his departure was it's time to move on departure was it's time to move em taem — departure was it's time to move em taem teats— departure was it's time to move on from boris johnson , the only on from boris johnson, the only m— on from boris johnson, the only winner in this— on from boris johnson, the only winner in this political soap eeeaa— winner in this political soap eeeaa ts— winner in this political soap egeaa ts sta— winner in this political soap opera is sir keir— winner in this political soap opera is sir keir starmer. winner in this political soap opera is sir keir starmer . plus, opera is sir keir starmer. plus, wett— opera is sir keir starmer. plus, neil hamilton— opera is sir keir starmer. plus, neil hamilton and widdecombe, my top neil hamilton and widdecombe, my tea gamttts— neil hamilton and widdecombe, my tea gamttts amt— neil hamilton and widdecombe, my top pundits and tomorrow's gages.— top pundits and tomorrow's pageas. wete— top pundits and tomorrow's papers. we're live from . papers. we're live from. nine itemy— papers. we're live from. nine l wemy smttm— papers. we're live from. nine . henry smith, you- papers. we're live from. nine i henry smith, you were. henry smith, you were elected as a 2010. as a conservative mp in 2010. you're not standing at the next election. why not? well, i was 54, just election. why not? well, i was at. tast twe— election. why not? well, i was 54, just the other— election. why not? well, i was 54, just the other day,- i t:t1“ kitty 1�*t1it47’ well, i was 54, just the other day, and i tave— 54, just the other day, and i have come to— 54, just the other day, and i have come to the conclusion that if have come to the conclusion that tt t-m— have come to the conclusion that tt t-m getmg— have come to the conclusion that tt t-m getmg te— have come to the conclusion that tt t-m getmg te te— have come to the conclusion that if i'm going to do something etse— if i'm going to do something etse amt— if i'm going to do something etse amt ge— if i'm going to do something else and go on— if i'm going to do something else and go on to new opportunities- else and go on to new opportunities and challenges, ts— opportunities and challenges, ts tae— opportunities and challenges, now is the time— opportunities and challenges, now is the time .— opportunities and challenges, now is the time . being an mp at now is the time. being an mp at the meat— now is the time. being an mp at the next election—

now is the time. being an mp at the next election .— now is the time. being an mp at the next election . for 14 years the next election. for 14 years twe— the next election. for 14 years he teem— the next election. for 14 years he been m— the next election. for 14 years i've been in various public aetes— i've been in various public roles continuously . for 27 years roles continuously. for 27 years as a teatea— roles continuously. for 27 years as a leader of— roles continuously. for 27 years as a leader of west sussex ceamty— as a leader of west sussex county council. _ as a leader of west sussex county council. previously so he — county council. previously so he tested— county council. previously so i've decided now— county council. previously so i've decided now is a good time for i've decided now is a good time tea a— i've decided now is a good time for a different,— i've decided now is a good time for a different, different direction— for a different, different direction . _ for a different, different direction . i~i..5. . for a different, different- direction . must be a little bit direction. must be a little bit nerve wracking because you've been there for quite a long time. but some people stay for far longer in parliament. do you think some people outstay their welcome? do you think they stay too long? well, i won't name any tat— too long? well, i won't name any tat t— too long? well, i won't name any names, but i think— t:t1�*tg7’ well, i won't name any names, but i think inertia is the— names, but i think inertia is the eastest— names, but i think inertia is the easiest thing and i think it's the easiest thing and i think as tmgeatamt— the easiest thing and i think it's important that sometimes to mate— it's important that sometimes to mate steps— it's important that sometimes to make steps that— it's important that sometimes to make steps that might be sttgttty— make steps that might be slightly into— make steps that might be slightly into the unknown, but i tttmt— slightly into the unknown, but i tmmt twat-s— slightly into the unknown, but i think that's certainly right for mest— think that's certainly right for mest geepte. — think that's certainly right for most people. and the idea that seat— most people. and the idea that seat et— most people. and the idea that seat et a— most people. and the idea that sort of a career— most people. and the idea that sort of a career for— most people. and the idea that sort of a career for life now in one area alone ,_ sort of a career for life now in one area alone , i— sort of a career for life now in one area alone , i think is one area alone, i think is semetmmg— one area alone, i think is something that is for the ttsteay— something that is for the history books.- something that is for the history books. so yeah, i think it's history books. so yeah, i think as tmpeatamt— history books. so yeah, i think it's important to— history books. so yeah, i think it's important to know when it's ttme— it's important to know when it's ttme te— it's important to know when it's ttme te ge— it's important to know when it's ttme te ge em— it's important to know when it's time to go on to—

it's important to know when it's time to go on to other challenges— time to go on to other challenges . - time to go on to other challenges . /t1:4 time to go on to other- challenges . you have done a time to go on to other— challenges . you have done a huge challenges. you have done a huge amount of campaigning on animal welfare . why is that an welfare. why is that an important issue to you? my mum was passionate about animal welfare. igrew was passionate about animal welfare. i grew up with a household _ welfare. i grew up with a household of— it: i grew up with a household of animals , a parrot, household of animals, a parrot, taetstamts— household of animals, a parrot, taetstamts .— household of animals, a parrot, dachshunds , fish,— household of animals, a parrot, dachshunds , fish, mice, gerbils dachshunds, fish, mice, gerbils , dachshunds, fish, mice, gerbils evou— dachshunds, fish, mice, gerbils . yea tt— dachshunds, fish, mice, gerbils , you name it. and— dachshunds, fish, mice, gerbils , you name it. and she would atways— , you name it. and she would atways watte— , you name it. and she would always write to _ , you name it. and she would always write to our local mp gest— always write to our local mp pest atatmg— always write to our local mp pest airing them— always write to our local mp pest airing them on animal wettaae— pest airing them on animal welfare issues.— pest airing them on animal welfare issues. and so it's aeatty— welfare issues. and so it's aeatty m— welfare issues. and so it's aeatty is my— welfare issues. and so it's really in my in— welfare issues. and so it's really in my in my dna. i became awegetaatam— really in my in my dna. i became a vegetarian when— really in my in my dna. i became a vegetarian when i— really in my in my dna. i became a vegetarian when i was 18 years old a vegetarian when i was 18 years ett tease— a vegetarian when i was 18 years old because of— a vegetarian when i was 18 years old because of animal welfare. i tmmt— old because of animal welfare. i tmmt meae— old because of animal welfare. i think there are— old because of animal welfare. i think there are now— old because of animal welfare. i think there are now good environmental- think there are now good environmental reasons to have a meat— environmental reasons to have a meat taee— environmental reasons to have a meat taee ttet— environmental reasons to have a meat free diet as— environmental reasons to have a meat free diet as health reasons, as— meat free diet as health reasons, as as- meat free diet as health reasons, as as well. but it's semetmmg— reasons, as as well. but it's something that's- reasons, as as well. but it's something that's always been a easstem— something that's always been a easstem et— something that's always been a passion of mine— something that's always been a passion of mine and i've been tettgttet— passion of mine and i've been tettgttet te— passion of mine and i've been delighted to have— passion of mine and i've been delighted to have been able to play— delighted to have been able to play a_ delighted to have been able to stay a pat— delighted to have been able to stay a pat m— delighted to have been able to play a part in my— delighted to have been able to play a part in my time in parliament— play a part in my time in parliament in— play a part in my time in parliament in terms of teawaattmg— parliament in terms of forwarding a- parliament in terms of forwarding a number of animal wettaae— forwarding a number of animal welfare measures. jt1::t welfare measures. do you eat ttst— welfare measures. do you eat ttste t— welfare measures. do you eat ttste t-eat— welfare measures. do you eat fish ? i-eatfish,- welfare measures. do you eat fish ? i-eat fish, no,- welfare measures. jt1:t �*" 7’ i eat fish, no, no. fish? i don't eat fish, no, no. t-m— fish? i don't eat fish, no, no. t-m eemgtetety— �*" 57 i don't eat fish, no, no. i'm completely pure veggie �*7 57 i don't eat fish, no, no. i'm completely pure veggie since the i'm completely pure veggie since tte-ateat— i'm completely pure veggie since tte-ateat ts.— i'm completely pure veggie since the-about18, i—

i'm completely pure veggie since the about 18, i think the age of about 18, i think when— the age of about 18, i think when t— the age of about 18, i think when t was— the age of about 18, i think when i was a— the age of about 18, i think when i was a student. yeah. '1t: when i was a student. yeah. and i when i was a student. yeah. and t mem— when i was a student. yeah. and t tt-s— when i was a student. yeah. and i mean it's quite— when i was a student. yeah. and i mean it's quite common now . i mean it's quite common now. it's very common to be a vegetarian now, but it was less so when you were 18, wasn't it? oh, absolutely . i mean, you oh, absolutely. i mean, you eaten— oh, absolutely. i mean, you ettem ge— oh, absolutely. i mean, you ettem ge te— cj“ .t1;«t i mean, you often go to restaurants or pubs amt— often go to restaurants or pubs amt meae— often go to restaurants or pubs and there wouldn't be any sort of and there wouldn't be any sort et wegetaatam— and there wouldn't be any sort of vegetarian option. and i seem— of vegetarian option. and i spent seme— of vegetarian option. and i spent some time in the united states— spent some time in the united states amt— spent some time in the united states amt tt— spent some time in the united states and it was— spent some time in the united states and it was even more ttttteatt— states and it was even more difficult there— states and it was even more difficult there back then. but tt-s— difficult there back then. but now it's great. _ difficult there back then. but now it's great. there's lots of waatety— now it's great. there's lots of waatety amt— now it's great. there's lots of variety and choice. so it's good that— variety and choice. so it's good ttatltmmt— variety and choice. so it's good thatlthink the— variety and choice. so it's good that think the world's moving that i think the world's moving tewaats— that i think the world's moving tewaats a— that i think the world's moving towards a more— that i think the world's moving towards a more ethical diet amyway— towards a more ethical diet amyway . — towards a more ethical diet anyway . there'll- towards a more ethical diet anyway . 1t1:;it1: .. towards a more ethical diet anyway . 1t1:;it1: 4 anyway. there'll be lots of farmers who won't like what you're saying. my brother's a taamea— you're saying. my brother's a taamea om— you're saying. my brother's a taamea om ge— you're saying. my brother's a farmer. oh, go on.— it: 1g my brother's a farmer. oh, go on. does he eat meat? — farmer. oh, go on. does he eat meat? we— farmer. oh, go on. does he eat meat? he does— farmer. oh, go on. does he eat meat? he does eat- farmer. oh, go on. does he eat meat? : farmer. oh, go on. does he eat meat? t1: : t/t:5 farmer. oh, go on. does he eat meat? : 1/t1:5 meat? he does eat meat. yes, he does. he does. that's fine . i'm does. he does. that's fine. i'm not evangelical about- not evangelical about being wegetaatam. — not evangelical about being vegetarian. this— not evangelical about being vegetarian. this is something twat-s— vegetarian. this is something ttat-s a— vegetarian. this is something that's a personal— vegetarian. this is something that's a personal choice of mine amt— that's a personal choice of mine amt aeseeet— that's a personal choice of mine and respect people's freedom . i and respect people's freedom. i tttmt— and respect people's freedom. i tank the— and respect people's freedom. i tank the key— and respect people's freedom. i think the key thing is that we try think the key thing is that we tay te— think the key thing is that we tay te eat— think the key thing is that we tay te eat eat— think the key thing is that we try to cut out cruelty in the teet— try to cut out cruelty in the food production— try to cut out cruelty in the food production process. and so t-m— food production process. and so m a— food production process. and so m a tag— food production process. and so m a ttg tam— food production process. and so am a ttg tam et— food production process. and so i'm a big fan of labelling of

teet— i'm a big fan of labelling of food products— i'm a big fan of labelling of food products as— i'm a big fan of labelling of food products as to origin , i food products as to origin, i eteaset— food products as to origin, i was pleased to— food products as to origin, i was pleased to spearhead in taattamemt— was pleased to spearhead in parliament the— was pleased to spearhead in parliament the introduction of cm— parliament the introduction of my m— parliament the introduction of cctv in slaughterhouses to make twat— cctv in slaughterhouses to make sure that there— cctv in slaughterhouses to make sure that there is— cctv in slaughterhouses to make sure that there is as an independent,- sure that there is as an independent, i to mitigate agatmst— independent, i to mitigate against cruel— independent, i to mitigate against cruel practises so i tmmt— against cruel practises so i tmmt tt-s— against cruel practises so i think it's about— against cruel practises so i think it's about making sure that— think it's about making sure that the— think it's about making sure that the welfare _ think it's about making sure that the welfare standards of amtmats— that the welfare standards of amtmats aae— that the welfare standards of animals are the— that the welfare standards of animals are the best they gessttty— animals are the best they gessttty am— animals are the best they possibly can be. what's left to do possibly can be. what's left to te em— possibly can be. what's left to te em twat— possibly can be. what's left to do on that front— possibly can be. what's left to do on that front ?_ possibly can be. what's left to do on that front ? well, i've do on that front? well, i've tast— do on that front? well, i've tast teem— do on that front? well, i've just been introducing a bill twat-s— just been introducing a bill that's passed— just been introducing a bill that's passed the commons a few weeks— that's passed the commons a few weeks age.— that's passed the commons a few weeks age. a— that's passed the commons a few weeks ago, a trophy— that's passed the commons a few weeks ago, a trophy hunting tmeeat— weeks ago, a trophy hunting import prohibition bill. it's m— import prohibition bill. it's m the— import prohibition bill. it's now in the lords, where it's teem— now in the lords, where it's been encountering some teatwtmts— been encountering some headwinds, but i'm hopefully tt-tt— headwinds, but i'm hopefully tt-tt get— headwinds, but i'm hopefully it'll get through— headwinds, but i'm hopefully it'll get through that session at the— it'll get through that session at the moment— it'll get through that session at the moment so that would ban the tmgeatattem— at the moment so that would ban the importation of— at the moment so that would ban the importation of body parts essemttatty— the importation of body parts essentially as— the importation of body parts essentially as trophies of endangered— essentially as trophies of endangered species like elephant . tea— endangered species like elephant . tea eaamete— endangered species like elephant , for example, but— endangered species like elephant , for example, but also other eats— , for example, but also other eaats et— , for example, but also other paats et twe— , for example, but also other parts of the world like polar teaas— parts of the world like polar teaas as— parts of the world like polar bears as well. _ parts of the world like polar bears as well. so- parts of the world like polar bears as well. so i'm hoping that— bears as well. so i'm hoping that wit— bears as well. so i'm hoping that wttt get— bears as well. so i'm hoping that will get it— bears as well. so i'm hoping that will get it onto the onto the— that will get it onto the onto

the statate— that will get it onto the onto the statute book.— that will get it onto the onto the statute book. also, another meae— the statute book. also, another pteee et— the statute book. also, another piece of animal— the statute book. also, another piece of animal welfare legislation— piece of animal welfare legislation ending what they eat— legislation ending what they call enriched— legislation ending what they call enriched cages, which is tatteay— call enriched cages, which is near battery farming for ettetems— near battery farming for chickens as— near battery farming for chickens as well. that's another amettea— chickens as well. that's another another campaign— chickens as well. that's another another campaign that i've been paasatmg— another campaign that i've been paasamg m— another campaign that i've been pursuing in parliament as well. so pursuing in parliament as well. se m— pursuing in parliament as well. se it my— pursuing in parliament as well. so in my remaining time, i will eemttmae— so in my remaining time, i will eemttmae em— so in my remaining time, i will continue on those— so in my remaining time, i will continue on those efforts. and i want— continue on those efforts. and i want te— continue on those efforts. and i want to continue— continue on those efforts. and i want to continue pursuing the causes i'm passionate about, wtem t-m— causes i'm passionate about, even when i'm outside parliament.- even when i'm outside parliament. you don't just have to parliament. you don't just have te te— parliament. you don't just have te te am— parliament. you don't just have te be am we— parliament. you don't just have te be am we te— parliament. you don't just have to be an mp to do— parliament. you don't just have to be an mp to do that. of course, last— to be an mp to do that. of course, last year- to be an mp to do that. of course, last year the government tetayet— course, last year the government tetayet etams— course, last year the government tetayet ptams te— course, last year the government delayed plans to ban foie gras amt— delayed plans to ban foie gras amt taa— delayed plans to ban foie gras and fur imports— delayed plans to ban foie gras and fur imports. _ delayed plans to ban foie gras and fur imports. \tt1::tat1 delayed plans to ban foie gras and fur imports. \tt1::ttat1 and fur imports. now this is what they say . fur farming and fur imports. now this is what they say. fur farming has been banned in the uk for over 20 years. the production of foie gras by force feeding is already illegal in the uk. they don't want to move any further. they say the situation is fine. tell us why you think they're wrong. well, think , you know, if we well, i think, you know, if we deem the production of foie gras , which is obviously, as you know, the force feeding of geese and ducks , and if we ban the and ducks, and if we ban the production of fur in this country, then i think if we

think that's unacceptable here, then we should also think that's unacceptable , able to import unacceptable, able to import those products just to sort of allow that practise to go on elsewhere is simply exporting the cruelty . so i think it's the the cruelty. so i think it's the atgtt— the cruelty. so i think it's the atgtt tmmg— the cruelty. so i think it's the atgtt tmmg te— the cruelty. so i think it's the right thing to do— the cruelty. so i think it's the right thing to do to- i so i think it's the right thing to do to ban imports of right thing to do to ban imports et yagaaa— right thing to do to ban imports et tagaaa amt— right thing to do to ban imports of jaguar and fur. _ right thing to do to ban imports of jaguar and fur. i think the vast— of jaguar and fur. i think the vast mateatty— of jaguar and fur. i think the vast majority of— of jaguar and fur. i think the vast majority of the public agaee— vast majority of the public agaee wttt— vast majority of the public agree with that. it's a simple measure that's— agree with that. it's a simple measure that's now possible on meat— measure that's now possible on meet that— measure that's now possible on brexit that we _ measure that's now possible on brexit that we have these taeetems— brexit that we have these freedoms to _ brexit that we have these freedoms to be able to do that. me— freedoms to be able to do that. the tamtmg— freedoms to be able to do that. the banning of— freedoms to be able to do that. the banning of live animal exeeats— the banning of live animal expeats tea— the banning of live animal exports for slaughter as well is amettea— exports for slaughter as well is amettea tttmg— exports for slaughter as well is another thing i— exports for slaughter as well is another thing i think we need to game— another thing i think we need to gaasae yea. — another thing i think we need to gaasae yea. se— another thing i think we need to pursue you. so these are, i twat.— pursue you. so these are, i tmmt. easy— pursue you. so these are, i think, easy for— pursue you. so these are, i think, easy for the government to think, easy for the government te te. — think, easy for the government te te. ttey— think, easy for the government to do. they enhance animal wettaae— to do. they enhance animal welfare and— to do. they enhance animal welfare and frankly , we not the welfare and frankly, we not the mam— welfare and frankly, we not the main reason for— welfare and frankly, we not the main reason for doing something, but main reason for doing something, tat tt— main reason for doing something, tat tt metas— main reason for doing something, but it helps popular as well. do you— but it helps popular as well. do yea aeetem— but it helps popular as well. do you reckon they'll— but it helps popular as well. do you reckon they'll do it before the meat— you reckon they'll do it before the next election? ft: the next election? i hope so and i'll continue to push for that. okay. so 13 years in parliament, you your party has been in government for all that time .

government for all that time. it's a long time to be in government. you're partly from the outside, at least it seems quite factionalised at the moment. very many different sorts of debates and discussion about the future of the tory party, which you may or may not think is healthy while you're in government. but why? why so factionalised at the moment ? factionalised at the moment? well, i think the conservative party— well, i think the conservative taaty tas— well, i think the conservative party has always— well, i think the conservative party has always been a very weat— party has always been a very broad church— party has always been a very broad church .— party has always been a very broad church . i— party has always been a very broad church . i think it has broad church. i think it has aegaesemtet— broad church. i think it has represented a— broad church. i think it has represented a large spectrum of ttsaatty— represented a large spectrum of views. usually the _ represented a large spectrum of views. usually the majority view in views. usually the majority view m the — views. usually the majority view m the eeamtay— views. usually the majority view m the eeamtay .— views. usually the majority view in the country . you know, i in the country. you know, i tttmt— in the country. you know, i tmmt tt-s— in the country. you know, i think it's been— in the country. you know, i think it's been an extraordinary 13 think it's been an extraordinary ts yeaas — think it's been an extraordinary ts yeaas vea— think it's been an extraordinary 13 years. you know, we came into etttee— 13 years. you know, we came into etttee tast— 13 years. you know, we came into etttee tast ett— 13 years. you know, we came into office just off the— 13 years. you know, we came into office just off the back of the manga— office just off the back of the financial crisis— office just off the back of the financial crisis in— office just off the back of the financial crisis in 2008. we tteagtt— financial crisis in 2008. we tteagtt twat— financial crisis in 2008. we thought that the coalition years was interesting— thought that the coalition years was interesting .— thought that the coalition years was interesting . turns out they was interesting. turns out they twe— was interesting. turns out they were the most— was interesting. turns out they were the most stable years. i tmmt— were the most stable years. i tmmt et— were the most stable years. i tmmt et tte— were the most stable years. i think of the last— were the most stable years. i think of the last 13. of course, taem— think of the last 13. of course, them we — think of the last 13. of course, them we tat— think of the last 13. of course, then we had the— think of the last 13. of course, then we had the eu referendum , then we had the eu referendum, then we had the eu referendum, tte seetttst— then we had the eu referendum, the scottish independence referendum _ the scottish independence referendum ,_ the scottish independence referendum , the sort of brexit referendum, the sort of brexit teatteet— referendum, the sort of brexit teatteet m— referendum, the sort of brexit deadlock in parliament, which you—

deadlock in parliament, which yea wit— deadlock in parliament, which yea wttt wett— deadlock in parliament, which you will well remember , and then you will well remember, and then of course boris— you will well remember, and then of course boris election, the tamtsttte— of course boris election, the landslide in— of course boris election, the landslide in 2019, then a global gamtemte— landslide in 2019, then a global gamtemte wttt— landslide in 2019, then a global pandemic with covid. i mean it was— pandemic with covid. i mean it was tast— pandemic with covid. i mean it was tast teem— pandemic with covid. i mean it has just been an— pandemic with covid. i mean it has just been an extraordinary ttme. — has just been an extraordinary ttme. wew— has just been an extraordinary time. now we've— has just been an extraordinary time. now we've got war in taaeae— time. now we've got war in taaeee. se— time. now we've got war in taaepe. se .— time. now we've got war in taaepe. se . yea— time. now we've got war in europe, so , you know , i think europe, so, you know, i think tttmgs— europe, so, you know, i think tmmgs tave— europe, so, you know, i think things have been— europe, so, you know, i think things have been extremely tough for administrations— things have been extremely tough for administrations , not just in for administrations, not just in tats— for administrations, not just in mm eeamtay— for administrations, not just in this country, but— for administrations, not just in this country, but but around the weatt— this country, but but around the weatt as— this country, but but around the world as well. _ this country, but but around the world as well. so— this country, but but around the world as well. so i— this country, but but around the world as well. so i think it's a aetteettem— world as well. so i think it's a reflection of— world as well. so i think it's a reflection of the— world as well. so i think it's a reflection of the tough environment- reflection of the tough environment we've been in. . environment we've been in. is it teattty— environment we've been in. is it teattty te— environment we've been in. is it teattty te tave— environment we've been in. is it healthy to have so— environment we've been in. is it healthy to have so many debates about the future of the conservative party out in the open?it conservative party out in the open? it may be. i broadly think you open? it may be. i broadly think yea mew.— open? it may be. i broadly think yea mew. gat— open? it may be. i broadly think yea mew. paat et— open? it may be. i broadly think you know, part of a— 7 . i broadly think you know, part of a strong temeeaaey— you know, part of a strong democracy is— you know, part of a strong democracy is being able to have taam— democracy is being able to have frank discussions— democracy is being able to have frank discussions at and debates teta— frank discussions at and debates tett tetweem— frank discussions at and debates both between parties and within games.— both between parties and within gaattes. eat— both between parties and within gaattes. eat t— both between parties and within parties. but i also— both between parties and within parties. but i also think you mew.— parties. but i also think you know, there's— parties. but i also think you know, there's an— parties. but i also think you know, there's an important point of know, there's an important point et amtty— know, there's an important point et amtty tea— know, there's an important point of unity for the _ know, there's an important point of unity for the sake of delivering— of unity for the sake of delivering for- of unity for the sake of delivering for the country . i delivering for the country. i tmmt— delivering for the country. i think where— delivering for the country. i think where it— delivering for the country. i think where it perhaps becomes a ttstaaettem— think where it perhaps becomes a ttstaaettem ts— think where it perhaps becomes a distraction is when— think where it perhaps becomes a distraction is when it's about the— distraction is when it's about the politicians— distraction is when it's about the politicians and it's not

ateat— the politicians and it's not ateat tae— the politicians and it's not about the people who've elected ttem — about the people who've elected ttem te— about the people who've elected them to deliver.— about the people who've elected them to deliver. i— about the people who've elected them to deliver. i think that's twat-s— them to deliver. i think that's ttat-s wteae— them to deliver. i think that's that's where the— them to deliver. i think that's that's where the problem comes m. — that's where the problem comes m. we— that's where the problem comes m. we att— that's where the problem comes in. we all look— that's where the problem comes in. we all look at— that's where the problem comes in. we all look at the- that's where the problem comes in. we all look at the opinion polls as what's the best piece of advice you can give to the leading figures in your party to win at the next election ? in win at the next election? in against all odds. i think, you mew.— against all odds. i think, you knew tt-s— against all odds. i think, you know, it's addressing- 5g? 3: i think, you know, it's addressing the fundamentals— know, it's addressing the fundamentals in politics and what— fundamentals in politics and what matters— fundamentals in politics and what matters to _ fundamentals in politics and what matters to people. that is atsetatety— what matters to people. that is absolutely important . it is absolutely important. it is teagm— absolutely important. it is teagm vea— absolutely important. it is tough. you know, after 13 years of tough. you know, after 13 years et tetmg— tough. you know, after 13 years et tetmg m— tough. you know, after 13 years of being in government and as i say,— of being in government and as i say. that— of being in government and as i say. that team— of being in government and as i say, that tough environment that we've been through, you know, i tmmt— we've been through, you know, i tmmt tt-s— we've been through, you know, i tmmt tt-s a— we've been through, you know, i think it's a challenge. and you mew.— think it's a challenge. and you know, pressures— think it's a challenge. and you know, pressures such as cost of ttwmg— know, pressures such as cost of ttwmg teaase— know, pressures such as cost of living because of— know, pressures such as cost of living because of all sorts of gtetat— living because of all sorts of global factors— living because of all sorts of global factors is— living because of all sorts of global factors is something that is global factors is something that ts getmg— global factors is something that ts getmg te— global factors is something that ts getmg te te— global factors is something that is going to be difficult to attaess— is going to be difficult to address going— is going to be difficult to address going forward. but i tttmt— address going forward. but i tttmt .— address going forward. but i tttmt . yea— address going forward. but i think , you know, if you look to think, you know, if you look to attaess— think, you know, if you look to address people's— think, you know, if you look to address people's fundamental tetes— address people's fundamental tetes amt— address people's fundamental

hopes and wishes and actually seat— hopes and wishes and actually seat et— hopes and wishes and actually sort of almost— hopes and wishes and actually sort of almost old— hopes and wishes and actually sort of almost old fashioned tetay— sort of almost old fashioned tettey acts. — sort of almost old fashioned policy acas, then i think that it policy acas, then i think that tt ts— policy acas, then i think that it is possible— policy acas, then i think that it is possible to— policy acas, then i think that it is possible to deliver. i tea-t— it is possible to deliver. i don't think— it is possible to deliver. i don't think the- it is possible to deliver. i don't think the next election is in don't think the next election is m we— don't think the next election is m tte tag— don't think the next election is m tte tag tea— don't think the next election is in the bag for anybody. don't think the next election is in the bag for anybody . and so in the bag for anybody. and so the interesting— in the bag for anybody. and so the interesting time of british tettttes— the interesting time of british tettttes t— the interesting time of british politics, i think,— the interesting time of british politics, i think, continues . politics, i think, continues. wtat-s— politics, i think, continues. wtat-s yeaa— politics, i think, continues. what's your favourite- politics, i think, continues. what's your favourite veggie meal just to end on? oh, i love indian meal just to end on? oh, i love tmttam teet— meal just to end on? oh, i love indian food, so— meal just to end on? oh, i love indian food, so i— meal just to end on? oh, i love indian food, so i like— t1:1t: t1:t17 oh, i love indian food, so i like spice . so indian food, so i like spice. so a teeemt— indian food, so i like spice. so a decent vegetable vindaloo is wmtatee. — a decent vegetable vindaloo is vindaloo. yeah.— a decent vegetable vindaloo is vindaloo. 14:51“ 14:51“ vindaloo. yeah. yeah the hotter the better, the hotter the better. yeah. do your eyes wateae— better. yeah. do your eyes wateae we— better. yeah. do your eyes water? no i'm— better. yeah. do your eyes water? no i'm a- yeah. do your eyes water? no i'm a pro. i'm a pro. t-m— water? no i'm a pro. i'm a pro. m a— water? no i'm a pro. i'm a pro. m a pas— water? no i'm a pro. i'm a pro. i'm a pro vindaloo eater. fantastic. thank you very i'm a pro vindaloo eater. - fantastic. thank you very much, temy— fantastic. thank you very much, temy smttt. — fantastic. thank you very much, henry smith. thank- fantastic. thank you very much, henry smith. thanks henry smith. thank you. thanks for henry smith. thank you. thanks teawatettmg— henry smith. thank you. thanks for watching. back— henry smith. thank you. thanks for watching. back next- henry smith. thanks for watching. back next sunday at eate— for watching. back next sunday at too tea— for watching. back next sunday at 6:00 for gloria— for watching. back next sunday at 6:00 for gloria meets . at 6:00 for gloria meets. hello tteae— at 6:00 for gloria meets. hello tteae .— at 6:00 for gloria meets. hello tteae . t-m— at 6:00 for gloria meets. hello there . i'm jonathan vautrey here there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. it's certainly turning

into another hot one again today. we're feeding in the heat from southern areas of europe and that is helping those temperatures climb once again to around 30 c in places. the sunshine that some of us have had as well is helping to develop some thunder storms and heavy showers throughout the rest of this afternoon and into the so do be aware of the evening. so do be aware of some travelling some tricky travelling conditions . vianne's torrential conditions. vianne's torrential downpours possible. downpours and hail is possible. most showers will tend most of those showers will tend to ease off overnight, but we've got watch out for band got to watch out for this band across areas of england across southern areas of england and well. and then into wales as well. that could still provide some heavy overnight for all that could still provide some he us, overnight for all that could still provide some he us, though, overnight for all that could still provide some he us, though, it's'night for all that could still provide some he us, though, it's goingfor all that could still provide some he us, though, it's going to all that could still provide some he us, though, it's going to be of us, though, it's going to be another muggy one. temperatures not below not dropping much below the mid to bit of a murky to high teens. bit of a murky start to monday for southern areas of and also the areas of england and also the far north of scotland where there is little low cloud there is a little low cloud around that could linger along some coastlines throughout the day. lots day. but elsewhere inland, lots of sunshine to be had. that coming with high uv levels and also pollen will be high as well into the afternoon. once again, some thunderstorms and heavy

showers developing particularly western midlands wales, western midlands into wales, western midlands into wales, western northern ireland and parts scotland as well. parts of scotland as well. another warm day as well. another very warm day as well. temperatures in mid temperatures widely in the mid to teens into the evening. to high teens into the evening. again, the thunderstorms still rumbling on for a little while, but they'll eventually clear down more into the down more widely into the overnight period. the clouds still lingering along some coastal areas, but inland we'll see spells , but it's see some clear spells, but it's still going to be feeling quite humid and muggy nonetheless, as we off tuesday. generally, we start off tuesday. generally, though , we'll see fewer showers though, we'll see fewer showers developing on tuesday compared to days . and that is to recent days. and that is because high pressure is trying to from the to reinforce itself from the northwest and helping to settle things down. they'll still a things down. they'll still be a few around, particularly across the but generally as the far west, but generally as we towards the part we head towards the middle part of more of us will be of the week, more of us will be seeing sunny seeing widespread, sunny intervals and a lot of dry weather. our temperatures will just notch down, just take a slight notch down, but it's still going to be feeling very warm by nightmare commute. kick it up a gear with tatatet— commute. kick it up a gear with me, patrick christys— commute. kick it up a gear with me, patrick christys at- i kick it up a gear with me, patrick christys at drive

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