will will very good evening to you at 7:00. i'm aaron armstrong the 7:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb nicola sturgeon gb news room. nicola sturgeon says she's of any says she's innocent of any wrongdoing after being released without pending further without charge pending further inquiries. scotland's former first minister added her arrest by police investigating snp finances earlier was both a shock and deeply distressing . in shock and deeply distressing. in april, her husband, peter murrell , who was the party's murrell, who was the party's chief executive and the ex treasurer, colin beattie , were treasurer, colin beattie, were also questioned and released without charge. her home and the snp headquarters were searched at the time, with police seeing seen removing boxes of evidence. the long running inquiry is

investigating what happened to around £600,000 worth of donations earmarked for the scottish independent campaign. three british tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off eqypt into flames in the red sea off egypt. into flames in the red sea off eqypt - a into flames in the red sea off egypt . a officials say 12 egypt. a officials say 12 britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides. it's understood the fire was caused by an electrical short circuit. the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities and is assisting those involved . what assisting those involved. what if boris johnson's allies says the recent resignations of two tory mps wasn't a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister? jacob rees—mogg insists there's no plot against rishi sunak and believes he should remain as leader. he also believes, though, that mr johnson could easily get back into parliament at the next election. the former prime minister announced he was stepping down as an mp after being handed the findings of the partygate inquiry. sirjacob

says there could be a split though if some mps try to block johnson's return and admits things could have been done better. one things could have been done better . one always deserves better. one always deserves blame— better. one always deserves blame for— better. one always deserves blame for one's_ one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it would— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd me to pretend would be absurd of me to pretend and that— would be absurd of me to pretend and that boris— would be absurd of me to pretend and that boris hasn't made mistakes.— and that boris hasn't made mistakes. there— and that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter—who— mistakes. there was a man called peter—who in- mistakes. there was a man called peter—who in the- mistakes. there was a man called peter who in the late peter wentworth who in the late 16th — peter wentworth who in the late 16th century— peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was— peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the tower— 16th century was locked up in the tower for— 16th century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house— the tower for saying in the house of— the tower for saying in the house of commons, none is without— house of commons, none is without-ne,- house of commons, none is without- no, not- house of commons, none is without no, not our without fault. no, not our gracious— without fault. no, not our gracious queen. the same could be see— gracious queen. the same could be seed of— gracious queen. the same could be said of boris— gracious queen. the same could be said of boris nana is without bub.— be said of boris nana is without bub-neb— be said of boris nana is without bub-nee eu— be said of boris nana is without fault. not our gracious fault. no, not our gracious bene- — fault. no, not our gracious bene- -b- fault. no, not our gracious boris. -is true. fault. no, not our gracious boris. -is true of| fault. no, not our gracious. boris.-is true of all boris. that that is true of all of — boris. that that is true of all of the— boris. that that is true of all of us. the met— boris. that that is true of all of us. mic 0” cc; boris. that that is true of all- of us. the met office has warned almost a month's of rain almost a month's worth of rain could fall over parts of the uk in the next 12 hours. a high of 31 degrees was recorded at heathrow this afternoon. a yellow thunderstorm alerts which have been issued for areas in scotland , northern ireland, scotland, northern ireland, england and wales will be in force until 9 pm. tomorrow. and if you think that's hot, well, take a look at this. a volcano in hawaii putting on a

spectacular show. big island erupted early on wednesday spewing ash and a river of lava. now it's located in a closed national park. it's one of the world's most active volcanoes. lava flows are expected to remain confined to the surrounding crater, though tv , surrounding crater, though tv, onune surrounding crater, though tv, online dab and tunein radio. this is gb news. now it's time for free speech nation . when for free speech nation. when. the government attempts to push through more anti—protest legislation , nudists get in legislation, nudists get in trouble for eating naked in a pub. and it looks very much like j.k. pub. and it looks very much like j-k- bobbing— pub. and it looks very much like j-k- bewbng bee— and it looks very much like j.k. rowling has been attacked by beam.— j.k. rowling has been attacked by oxfem. ebb— j.k. rowling has been attacked by oxfam. this is— j.k. rowling has been attacked by oxfam. this is free speech webbe— by oxfam. this is free speech beben .— by oxfam. this is free speech nation . welcome— by oxfam. this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech webbe— nation. welcome to free speech beben wm.— nation. welcome to free speech nation with me— nation. welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. on tonight-e— nation with me andrew doyle. on

beebgbb-e ebew— nation with me andrew doyle. on beebgbe-e ebew ,— nation with me andrew doyle. on tonight's show , how would you tonight's show, how would you define— tonight's show, how would you define sexe— tonight's show, how would you define sex? mps— tonight's show, how would you define sex? mps are going to be screeching— define sex? mps are going to be scratching their— define sex? mps are going to be scratching their heads over that one tomorrow and— scratching their heads over that one tomorrow and trying to define— one tomorrow and trying to define the— one tomorrow and trying to define the term— one tomorrow and trying to define the term in a parliamentary debate . i'm going parliamentary debate. i'm going to parliamentary debate. i'm going be be— parliamentary debate. i'm going to be discussing— parliamentary debate. i'm going to be discussing that with writer— to be discussing that with- writer_ heather writer helen joyce and heather binning— writer helen joyce and heather binning-women's- writer helen joyce and heather binning women's rights binning from the women's rights network.— binning from the women's rights network. after— binning from the women's rights network. after the— binning from the women's rights network. after the oscar winning mm— network. after the oscar winning bum-bench— network. after the oscar winning film french connection was film the french connection was eeneereere-f— film the french connection was censored for modern censored to cater for modern eenebbbbee. — censored to cater for modern sensitivities. i'll— censored to cater for modern sensitivities. i'll be asking spiked— sensitivities. i'll be asking spiked editor— sensitivities. i'll be asking spiked editor tom slater whether it's spiked editor tom slater whether we eve— spiked editor tom slater whether it's ever acceptable to edit emer— it's ever acceptable to edit older works _ it's ever acceptable to edit older works of— it's ever acceptable to edit older works of art. plus, do you bebeve— older works of art. plus, do you bebeve be— older works of art. plus, do you believe in ghosts?— older works of art. plus, do you believe in ghosts? tv's most haunted— believe in ghosts? tv's most haunted presenter yvette heming— haunted presenter yvette fielding ,— haunted presenter yvette fielding, insists haunted presenter yvette fielding , insists supernatural fielding, insists supernatural be— fielding, insists supernatural forces are hard— fielding, insists supernatural forces are hard at work, while speebe— forces are hard at work, while spectre sceptic— forces are hard at work, while spectre sceptic glen hunt thinks eebevvbe. — spectre sceptic glen hunt thinks eebevvbe. vee— spectre sceptic glen hunt thinks otherwise. you won't want to mbee— otherwise. you won't want to beb— otherwise. you won't want to miss that chilling debate. and of course, myself— miss that chilling debate. and of course, myself and my bnbeebe— of course, myself and my fantastic panel- of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be here to answer our questions today. vve-ve— answer our questions today. vve-ve gee— answer our questions today. vve-ve gee bee— answer our questions today. we've got leo kearse and frances beer,— we've got leo kearse and frances beeeev vb— we've got leo kearse and frances beeeev vbe .— we've got leo kearse and frances beeeev vbe . se— we've got leo kearse and frances foster, who . so leo,— we've got leo kearse and frances foster, who . so leo, you must be foster, who. so leo, you must be peev— foster, who. so leo, you must be bvebv pbeeeee— foster, who. so leo, you must be bvebv pbeeeee .— foster, who. so leo, you must be bvebv pbeeeee . v— foster, who. so leo, you must be pretty pleased . i know you're a pretty pleased. i know you're a fan pretty pleased. i know you're a be ef— pretty pleased. i know you're a fan of nicola— pretty pleased. i know you're a fan of nicola sturgeon . yeah. fan of nicola sturgeon. yeah. there-e— fan of nicola sturgeon. yeah. bbeve-e gobb— fan of nicola sturgeon. yeah. there's going to— fan of nicola sturgeon. yeah. there's going to people watching for there's going to people watching be be— there's going to people watching be the bee— there's going to people watching for the first time.— there's going to people watching for the first time. i— there's going to people watching for the first time. i not know bee— for the first time. i not know bee bee— for the first time. i not know bee bee e— for the first time. i not know leo has a few— for the first time. i not know leo has a few issues with nicola sturgeon— leo has a few issues with nicola seeegeeee bee— leo has a few issues with nicola sturgeon, but you _ leo has a few issues with nicola sturgeon, but you know, is it a

ef— sturgeon, but you know, is it a sense of schadenfreude that ebe-e— sense of schadenfreude that ebe-e been— sense of schadenfreude that she's been arrested? schadenfreude that's that's schadenfreude that's a that's a fancy word for it. i'm delighted that she's she's been arrested. she's been released, and she says innocent. and i'm says she's innocent. and i'm convinced that she yeah, she ironically, she she posted earlier this week that she'd she'd passed her driving theory test but almost failed on a hazard hazard recognition, which i would never guessed from her record as first minister in scotland. nobody ever see hazards coming down the pipeline. those theory tests are embe— pipeline. those theory tests are eube heed.— pipeline. those theory tests are eebe bee. bee— pipeline. those theory tests are quite hard. but you— those theory tests are quite hard. but you know, what do quite hard. but you know, what ee vee— quite hard. but you know, what ee veu vbee— quite hard. but you know, what ee vee vbee eb— quite hard. but you know, what do you what do you make of it new.— do you what do you make of it now? obviously— do you what do you make of it now? obviously you know, it's an eeeeeee— now? obviously you know, it's an ongoing investigation. we're not going— ongoing investigation. we're not being—beet- going to speculate about eevebeeg. — going to speculate about anything. but- going to speculate about anything. e:viv going to speculate about- anything. butjust do you think anything. but just do you think when she got put in the car right, had cuffs on and right, she had the cuffs on and she was getting driven the she was getting driven to the station, think she was station, do you think she was still with male rapists still cool with male rapists being in female prisons? being put in female prisons? oh, think? well she must oh, you think? well she must beve— oh, you think? well she must have-actually,- oh, you think? well she must have - actually, do . oh, you think? well she must have actually, do you have been like actually, do you bev— have been like actually, do you knew-v— have been like actually, do you beev-v geese- have been like actually, do you know-i guess-a- have been like actually, do you. know-i guess-a little know what? i guess i'm a little bit gender critical now. don't bit gender critical now. i don't think don't she was think i don't think she was a little was she cuffed? little bit. was she cuffed? i ebb-e— little bit. was she cuffed? i bee-v beb— little bit. was she cuffed? i don't think they— c c was she cuffed? i don't think they would cuff. i

beb— don't think they would cuff. i bbbeb vbe— don't think they would cuff. i bbbeb be e— don't think they would cuff. i think the i think— don't think they would cuff. i think the i think the only reason she— think the i think the only reason she she- think the i think the only reason she she wanted to make it eeeeeeeeeel— reason she she wanted to make it eeeeeelmeeleev— reason she she wanted to make it easier men get access to easier for men to get access to women's prisons was just to make eve-be— women's prisons was just to make euee-vbe evene— women's prisons was just to make sure -the event she- women's prisons was just to make sure-the event she is- sure that in the event she is bene— sure that in the event she is buee-ebe— sure that in the event she is- found-she-actually found guilty, she would actually be-be— found guilty, she would actually be-be eeev— found guilty, she would actually be-be eeeev b— found guilty, she would actually be-be sent to a- found guilty, she would actually be be sent to a women's be able to be sent to a women's beeeee. — be able to be sent to a women's beeeee. ebb.— be able to be sent to a women's prison. right. well— be able to be sent to a women's prison. ?3 vivi be able to be sent to a women's prison. 3; eiei prison. right. well since we we've already managed to split the that one. so the audience on that one. so let's go for some 'v:iv“ so let's go for some harmony and get let's go for some harmony and be eeeee— let's go for some harmony and get some questions from our eeeeeeee— get some questions from our eueeeeee obe— get some questions from our audience. our first question is bem— audience. our first question is feeee-vvbeee-e— audience. our first question is. from -where's- hello, from ryan. where's ryan? hello, rvan- — from ryan. where's ryan? hello, rvan- -eveeeeg.- from ryan. where's ryan? hello, ryan. -evening. has- from ryan. where's ryan? hello, ryan. “ “g ryan. good evening. has oxfam demonised rowling? well, demonised jk rowling? well, i mean , you decide this- demonised jk rowling? well, i mean , you decide this is- mean, you decide this is a ebbeeb— mean, you decide this is a difficult one— mean, you decide this is a difficult one because oxfam is, you— difficult one because oxfam is, veu knew,— difficult one because oxfam is, vee beev, e— difficult one because oxfam is, you know, a charity. they eebeeeee— you know, a charity. they. released _week you know, a charity. they- released _week and released a video this week and thee— released a video this week and bee-e— released a video this week and there-a cartoon— released a video this week and there a cartoon figure in there was a cartoon figure in be— there was a cartoon figure in tbe vbee— there was a cartoon figure in the video which— there was a cartoon figure in the video which looked like it eeeve— the video which looked like it could-rowling.- the video which looked like it could rowling. dunno if could be jk rowling. i dunno if vveve-teeege- could be jk rowling. i dunno if we've-image, but- could be jk rowling. i dunno if we've image, but we we've got the image, but if we beve— we've got the image, but if we have—eee- we've got the image, but if wei have,_see this have, maybe we could see this end— have, maybe we could see this eee-ebeebv— have, maybe we could see this eee-ebeebv .— have, maybe we could see this and-charity . oh- have, maybe we could see this and charity . oh no, that's and the charity. oh no, that's and the charity. oh no, that's eee image— and the charity. oh no, that's eee teeege ef— and the charity. oh no, that's an image of the— and the charity. oh no, that's an image of the article itself. so an image of the article itself. se it— an image of the article itself. se it ve— an image of the article itself. se b we be— an image of the article itself. so if we do find— an image of the article itself. so if we do find that image vett— so if we do find that image web-ve— so if we do find that image ve-u-ve vee. - so if we do find that image we'll to you. but we'll show it to you. but effectively _ we'll show it to you. but effectively leo - we'll show it to you. but effectively leo it does feel as bbeeeb— effectively leo it does feel as bbeeeb-eeee— effectively leo it does feel as though-sort of- effectively leo it does feel as though sort of describe though i can sort of describe it. though i can sort of describe b-vee— though i can sort of describe it.-waslcartoon- though i can sort of describe it. was cartoon image of it. there was a cartoon image of a it. there was a cartoon image of e-vbe— it. there was a cartoon image of e-vbe beekee— it. there was a cartoon image of a-who looked a- it. there was a cartoon image of a-who looked a.like| it. there was a cartoon image of. a-who looked a.like jk a woman who looked a bit like jk bevbee— a woman who looked a bit like jk bevbee ebb— a woman who looked a bit like jk rowling with demon eyes, with a badge—weed- rowling with demon eyes, with a badge _word terf. badge on saying the word terf beet,— badge on saying the word terf yeah, exclusionary, yeah, trans exclusionary, eeeteeb— yeah, trans exclusionary, radical feminist. what yeah, trans exclusionary, radical feminist ..what it radical feminist. so what was it 7 tb— radical feminist. so what was it e ev bevbeg— radical feminist. so what was it e ev bevbeg ve— radical feminist. so what was it ? 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know, what's what's even worse is the other two people in it were apparently graham linehan and andy. no. and no is a and andy. no. and andy no is a vietnamese american guy. and they very racist sort of, they used a very racist sort of, you know, a 1930 racist depiction of a of a vietnamese quy- depiction of a of a vietnamese guy. so, i mean, for oxfam to be doing this, i just don't understand oxfam are supposed to be materially improving people's lives. why are they getting involved in the culture wars , involved in the culture wars, alienating half of the people? there's the image on the screen right, right now, we should say we know for certain that we don't know for certain that these those figures were these that those figures were meant represent. no. meant to represent. andy no. graham _rowlingl meant to represent. andy no.- graham _rowling that graham linehan, jk rowling that has-speculation— graham linehan, jk rowling that has-speculation .- graham linehan, jk rowling that has speculation . yeah. from has been speculation. yeah. from eeebve— has been speculation. yeah. from people--_ has been speculation. yeah. from eeebve-. bev— has been speculation. yeah. from eeebve-. but even- has been speculation. yeah. from people-. but even if- has been speculation. yeah. from people . but even if it's people online. but even if it's eee— people online. but even if it's eee even— people online. but even if it's eee b— people online. but even if it's not even if these _ people online. but even if it's not even if these are just eeeteeueeev— not even if these are just caricatures-just- not even if these are just caricatures just anyone, the caricatures of just anyone, the bet— caricatures of just anyone, the bet-eee— caricatures of just anyone, the bet-eee ef— caricatures of just anyone, the fact-one of them- caricatures of just anyone, the fact one of them is wearing fact that one of them is wearing a fact that one of them is wearing e-eevbeg— fact that one of them is wearing e-eevbeg teet— fact that one of them is wearing e-eevbeg eeee .— fact that one of them is wearing a saying terf , that's a badge saying terf, that's tabbe— a badge saying terf, that's eebteglveev— a badge saying terf, that's taking very specific political taking a very specific political eeeeev — taking a very specific political stance. .taking- taking a very specific political stance. .taking a- taking a very specific political stance. “v; stance. it is taking a very specific political but specific political stance. but oxfam , let's be fair. i think oxfam, let's be fair. i think this better than what oxfam this is better than what oxfam normally is go over to normally do, which is go over to different countries , set up, you different countries, set up, you know, little, little camps and then sexually assault women. so

it's true . rhiannon francis, it's true. rhiannon francis, you're very much on a roll tonight . i correct you there, tonight. i correct you there, francis it's children. yeah. now these these were allegations, of course , right? we're not going course, right? we're not going to course, right? we're not going be eeeeebbe— course, right? we're not going to speculate about— i ”g“? we're not going to speculate about the truth of bee— to speculate about the truth of those allegations.— to speculate about the truth of those allegations. francis i might— those allegations. francis i might teet— those allegations. francis i might just have to gag you . it's might just have to gag you. it's a might just have to gag you. it's evetebv— might just have to gag you. it's e vetebv eee— might just have to gag you. it's a tricky one, though. i think eveev— a tricky one, though. i think eveev bee— a tricky one, though. i think eveev bee ee— a tricky one, though. i think every kind of charity and major teevbuvbe— every kind of charity and major institution appears to have been eebbueee— institution appears to have been eeeeueeelvbte— institution appears to have been captured this stuff. it's captured by this stuff. and it's teet— captured by this stuff. and it's tuev ee— captured by this stuff. and it's teee ee vete— captured by this stuff. and it's just so weird that— captured by this stuff. and it's just so weird that they're eeeeeeteteg— just so weird that they're demonising who are just so weird that they're- demonising-who are just demonising women who are just eeee— sort of standing up for women's eighte— sort of standing up for women's ebbe-eeteg— sort of standing up for women's rights.-going.and- rights. what's going on and ebbing— rights. what's going on and dividingimean,_ rights. what's going on and dividing mean, everybody dividing i mean, everybody ebeebe—bl dividing i mean, everybody- should_if they're should support oxfam if they're going— should support oxfam if they're being-debe— should support oxfam if they're going-doing what- should support oxfam if they're going doing what they going out and doing what they beet—webb- going out and doing what they. used _which shops used to do, which is which shops are used to do, which is which shops eubbteb— used to do, which is which shops are rubbish, man. _ used to do, which is which shops are rubbish, man. \viv ”iii: are rubbish, man. no, they're terrible. no, actually they're bookshops good. bookshops are really good. i mean, you still get your mean, i know you still get your clothes there, but they're really a scotsman. really coming from a scotsman. yeah. shops at marks and yeah. who shops at marks and spencer's. francis. i came in a few quid, but. but yeah. oxfam shouldn't they should be going out and trying to improve the lives people in poverty and, lives of people in poverty and, you know, the underprivileged people around the world. instead, they're fighting the culture war and just dividing

their support. so a whole bunch of people, you know, gender critical feminists, which i think people aren't think is most people aren't going support. i think think is most people aren't going support. ithink you're going to support. i think you're veeeg— going to support. i think you're veeeg ebeuv— going to support. i think you're veeeg ebeuv v— going to support. i think you're wrong about i think— vgviv “v; i think you're wrong about i think starving eeebve— wrong about i think starving. people—countries people in developing countries are people in developing countries eeeuv— people in developing countries are really interested in intersectional feminism the intersectional feminism and the eubeee— intersectional feminism and the eebeeebebv— intersectional feminism and the cultu priority, isn't— their priority, isn't it? anyway,— their priority, isn't it?| aevvev—ee their priority, isn't it?- anywayv —ee b their priority, isn't it?— anyway,_on to another anyway, let's move on to another eueebbe— anyway, let's move on to another eeeebbe ev— anyway, let's move on to another question now from _ anyway, let's move on to another question now from roger. where's roger?— question now from roger. where's roger? h.— question now from roger. where's roger? hi-hello. - question now from roger. where's roger? hi hello. ' ”iii: roger? hi roger. hello. are you veeebe— roger? hi roger. hello. are you webbed-ete— roger? hi roger. hello. are you worried the government's worried about the government's latest anti—protest legislation? latest anti —protest legislation? yeah, latest anti—protest legislation? yeah, i am, actually. so there was this article— yeah, i am, actually. so there was this article on— “43?“ i so there was this article on amnesty international— was this article on amnesty international website and bbev-ee— international website and they're talking about the uk geveeeeeeeb— they're talking about the uk geveeeeeeev .— they're talking about the uk government , which going to government, which is going to try government, which is going to vev-bbte— government, which is going to try this legislation on try and pass this legislation on on try and pass this legislation on eee beeeebv— try and pass this legislation on on peaceful protest . but the on peaceful protest. but the ebeebv— on peaceful protest. but the ebeebv eave— on peaceful protest. but the charity says these new regulations— charity says these new regulations would set the eeteebeev— regulations would set the criminal threshold for protest at criminal threshold for protest be e— criminal threshold for protest be e veev— criminal threshold for protest be e veev bev— criminal threshold for protest at a very low level. so i should beebebvv— at a very low level. so i should eeebebvv teet— at a very low level. so i should probably just explain what sort of probably just explain what sort ee vbev— probably just explain what sort of what happened here. so if you eeeeeeeeeb teet— of what happened here. so if you remember, just before the coronation— remember, just before the coronation sort coronation the government sort of coronation the government sort et-bbeeeeb— coronation the government sort of-through these- of snuck through these regulations— of snuck through these regulations protest, regulations about protest, eeebeeveevv— particularly slow walking proteste— particularly slow walking protest, and— particularly slow walking protest, and people ended up getting— protest, and people ended up getting-before- protest, and people ended up getting before they'd getting arrested before they'd eebueuv— getting arrested before they'd actually anything. what actually done anything. what was actually done anything. what was e—bbeb- actually done anything. what was e—bbeb te- a bit disturbing about that is bev— a bit disturbing about that is vbevleeee— a bit disturbing about that is vbevleeee ee— a bit disturbing about that is that sort of happened just that it sort of happened just vibe— that it sort of happened just like-night— that it sort of happened just like-night-the. like the night before the coronation— like the night before the coronation which isn't the way bev— coronation which isn't the way bee-et— coronation which isn't the way that-of things- coronation which isn't the way that of things should

that these sort of things should happen. — that these sort of things should happen. ebeee— that these sort of things should happen. there should be much eeeee-ebeev— happen. there should be much more-aboutiand. happen. there should be much more about and now more scrutiny about it. and now veu-ve— more scrutiny about it. and now veu-ve-vbeee— more scrutiny about it. and now you've these clauses in this you've got these clauses in this babe— you've got these clauses in this beveev-eeeee— you've got these clauses in this latest-order-that- latest public order act that were rejected _ latest public order act that were rejected by the house of teete— were rejected by the house of beeee-be— were rejected by the house of beeee-be-veee- were rejected by the house of lords-in-year andi lords earlier in the year and ebb— lords earlier in the year and now this _the- lords earlier in the year and now this the parliament's now this week the parliament's going— now this week the parliament's geteglvev— now this week the parliament's goingltry eee— now this week the parliament's going try and sneak them going to try and sneak them vbeeeeb— going to try and sneak them through regulations. right? through as regulations. right? ane— through as regulations. right?l bee—teeming and so they're reading, defining what— and so they're reading, defining whee—be— and so they're reading, defining what be disruptive what it means to be disruptive in what it means to be disruptive be e— what it means to be disruptive be e vveveee.— what it means to be disruptive in a protest. they're setting the— in a protest. they're setting vbe-veev- in a protest. they're setting vbe-veev bev- in a protest. they're setting vbe-veev vev .- in a protest. they're setting the very low . now, in a protest. they're setting- the-very low . now, you the bar very, very low. now, you remember that— the bar very, very low. now, you remember that police crime and eeebeeebeg— remember that police crime and sentencing bill,— remember that police crime and sentencing bill, tried sentencing bill, when they tried to sentencing bill, when they tried b-vbev— sentencing bill, when they tried b-vbev bev— sentencing bill, when they tried to that they basically to pass that they were basically eevbee—vee- to pass that they were basically saying—was noisy. to pass that they were basically saying—was noisy ,i saying if a protest was noisy, vbe— saying if a protest was noisy, bbe bebee— saying if a protest was noisy, the police could— saying if a protest was noisy, the police could shut it down. wet,— the police could shut it down. well,.course,_not. well, of course, they're not going— well, of course, they're not being-knew,- well, of course, they're not. going - know, they're going to be you know, they're eee— going to be you know, they're eee-b — going to be you know, they're eee-b be — going to be you know, they're not-to be mime- going to be you know, they're not to be mime artists, not going to be mime artists, eee—bl are they? there's going to vbeee-e— are they? there's going to ebeee-e geteg— are they? there's going to there's going to be noise at a vveveee.— there's going to be noise at a vveveee-vee— there's going to be noise at a protest. i'm concerned protest. now, i'm concerned ebeuv— protest. now, i'm concerned ebeuv ebb— protest. now, i'm concerned about this because i think eeeeebv— about this because i think peaceful protest is the right of all peaceful protest is the right of ebb—bee- peaceful protest is the right of all—free society.l all of us in any free society. weev— all of us in any free society. vvbevlveu— all of us in any free society. what-you make- all of us in any free society. what you make of this? well what do you make of this? well to what do you make of this? well ve-te— what do you make of this? well b-te teet— what do you make of this? well b-te tuev eee— what do you make of this? well to is just an extension to me, this is just an extension of to me, this is just an extension ee vbev— to me, this is just an extension of what happened _ to me, this is just an extension of what happened covid, of what happened over covid, vbeee— of what happened over covid, where-actually— of what happened over covid, where actually we were told where it's actually we were told beb— where it's actually we were told that—congregate- where it's actually we were told that—congregate ini that we couldn't congregate in geeeee — that we couldn't congregate in geeeee _wee- that we couldn't congregate in| groups. _were banned that we couldn't congregate in- groups. _were banned and groups. protests were banned and people absolutely with people were absolutely fine with this. saying, oh, this. so they were saying, oh, why, you need to protest why, why do you need to protest dunng why, why do you need to protest during a pandemic? but unfortunately, what does is unfortunately, what this does is then sets a very dangerous precedent whereby by the government then come in and they've these and they've enacted these powers and guess love

guess what? governments love telling people what to do. they love overstepping the mark and they really enjoy joy. inaya encroaching on people's civil liberties. it's encroaching on people's civil liberties . it's always really liberties. it's always really inconsistent— liberties. it's always really inconsistent as— c it's always really inconsistent as well. you know, bev— inconsistent as well. you know, the bee— inconsistent as well. you know, they be vbeee— inconsistent as well. you know, they had these ideas that people eeuvee-v— they had these ideas that people couldn't protest— they had these ideas that people couldn't protest against the beebbve— couldn't protest against the lockdown because of risk of lockdown because of the risk of the lockdown because of the risk of tbe vteue— lockdown because of the risk of the virus spreading when the bbeb— the virus spreading when the black-matter— the virus spreading when the black matter protest black lives matter protest happened,— black lives matter protest happened, seem to think happened, they seem to think bev— happened, they seem to think bee-beb— happened, they seem to think bee-veeb e- happened, they seem to think that-took a day- happened, they seem to think that took a day off, that the virus took a day off, bev— that the virus took a day off, that bev— that the virus took a day off, that by eee— that the virus took a day off, that day and it— that the virus took a day off, that day and it was absolutely bee— that day and it was absolutely be be— that day and it was absolutely fine for them.— that day and it was absolutely fine for them. well, as we all knew,— fine for them. well, as we all knew, the— fine for them. well, as we all knew, the -pro- fine for them. well, as we all know, the pro blm, so know, the virus is pro blm, so be— know, the virus is pro blm, so be vteue— know, the virus is pro blm, so the virus actually— know, the virus is pro blm, so the virus actually took a step beeb— the virus actually took a step beeb-te— the virus actually took a step back.-is cool- the virus actually took a step back.-is cool with. back. the virus is cool with bbee — back. the virus is cool with bbee beb— back. the virus is cool with that. yeah. yeah.- back. the virus is cool with that. “43?“ “43?“ i back. the virus is cool with that. / / i that. yeah. yeah. because, you know you know the know the virus. you know the virus, if you think about it, is very woke. it doesn't have a genden very woke. it doesn't have a gender. you know, it doesn't recognise borders. uh, fair enough. fair enough. and it doesn't people. what do doesn't like old people. what do you about doesn't like old people. what do veu-ebeeb bete— doesn't like old people. what do you-about this, leo?- you make about this, leo? beeeuee— you make about this, leo? because-you're- because i know you're pretty ebb— because i know you're pretty ebb-bev— because i know you're pretty eteb-vevlvbe- because i know you're pretty sick lot the protesters sick of a lot of the protesters bev— sick of a lot of the protesters vbev vveve— sick of a lot of the protesters that we've seen _ sick of a lot of the protesters that we've seen recently, eeebeebeb— that we've seen recently, particularly, say, extinction bebeube— particularly, say, extinction rebellion insulate britain. rebellion and insulate britain. yeah.— rebellion and insulate britain. ebb—te— rebellion and insulate britain. ebb—be vbe- rebellion and insulate britain.. yeah. _is the thing. yeah. i mean, this is the thing. i yeah. i mean, this is the thing. v vee— yeah. i mean, this is the thing. v eeeuv— yeah. i mean, this is the thing. i was really worried— yeah. i mean, this is the thing. i was really worried about- i was really worried about my rights by an rights being winnowed away by an increasingly authoritarian government. but then i realised it's used to go in it's going to be used to go in and beat up, just stop oil with those big sticks from the 60s.

and you're with that? yeah and you're fine with that? yeah suddenly like great suddenly it seems like a great idea. so far the police idea. i mean, so far the police haven't even been attempting to deal oil. if deal with just stop oil. if anything, been. they've anything, they've been. they've been as just oils, been acting as just stop oils, personal security. that's an issue, personal security. that's an tee-v— personal security. that's an issue, isn't it?— personal security. that's an issue, isn't it? and- i . b,’ that's an issue, isn't it? and they should be criticised— issue, isn't it? and they should be criticised .that. - issue, isn't it? and they should be criticised that. but the be criticised for that. but the beve— be criticised for that. but the beg-ef— be criticised for that. but the. thing-of-activities thing is, some of the activities by thing is, some of the activities bv—veu-ee- by the people that you're eeeebbebee— by the people that you're mentioning already illegal. mentioning are already illegal. it's—vandalise- it's not legal to vandalise butting— it's not legal to vandalise building things. not legal it's not legal to vandalise bupreventiings. not legal it's not legal to vandalise buprevent people not legal it's not legal to vandalise buprevent people from legal it's not legal to vandalise buprevent people from getting to prevent people from getting to prevent people from getting b be— to prevent people from getting to the hospital— to prevent people from getting to the hospital or— to prevent people from getting to the hospital or to harass beepe— to the hospital or to harass eeeeve. se— to the hospital or to harass eeeeve. be be— to the hospital or to harass people. so the police should teet— people. so the police should just-applying— people. so the police should. just-applying-yeabe just be applying the law. yeah, vbeee— just be applying the law. yeah, vbeee-ee— just be applying the law. yeah, these-of powers- just be applying the law. yeah, these of powers and we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit of powers and we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. of powers and we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. we powers and we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. we firsters and we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. we first had nd we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. we first had iti we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. we first had it with/e had it all. we first had it with the had it all. we first had it with be bebee— had it all. we first had it with the police crime— had it all. we first had it with the police crime and sentencing bille— the police crime and sentencing bib—beb- the police crime and sentencing bib—bet ee- bill, then with this act as web.— bill, then with this act as well. government, this well. the government, this geveeeeeeeb— government seems intent on vevbee— government seems intent on trwig—people- government seems intent on trying people from trying to prevent people from eeeeeebeg— trying to prevent people from protesting peacefully passing beve— protesting peacefully passing bee-teet- protesting peacefully passing laws - don't need i protesting peacefully passing laws don't need to laws that they don't need to pee— laws that they don't need to bee—bee- laws that they don't need to bee—bee ofl pass to prevent the kind of veeebbeee— pass to prevent the kind of vandalism-leo- pass to prevent the kind of vandalism leo is talking vandalism that leo is talking ebeee — vandalism that leo is talking about. _course,- vandalism that leo is talking about. course, doesn't about. and of course, it doesn't ebveve— about. and of course, it doesn't ebveeev-eue- about. and of course, it doesn't always-cause that. about. and of course, it doesn't always cause that you always affect the cause that you eee-v— always affect the cause that you beet-eee— always affect the cause that you don't-care about,- don't you care about, right? ebb— don't you care about, right? the be— don't you care about, right? this is-problem- don't you care about, right? this is problem with this this is the problem with this ebb. — this is the problem with this ebb. -vbe— this is the problem with this stuff.-the labour- stuff. when the labour government- stuff. when the labour government in stuff. when the labour government-in day government back in the day urged the government— government back in the day urged the government to _ government back in the day urged the government to pass these eeebetebbee— restrictions on protest after the— restrictions on protest after the_incident,l restrictions on protest after. the _ incident, they the cable street incident, they vented— the cable street incident, they wanted ve— the cable street incident, they wanted to clamp— the cable street incident, they wanted to clamp down on the far ebb. — wanted to clamp down on the far right. -legislation_ wanted to clamp down on the far right. legislation was right. that legislation was ubteeevevv— right. that legislation was ultimately attack the ultimately used to attack the miners-prevent- ultimately used to attack the miners prevent miners miners or to prevent the miners bem— miners or to prevent the miners eeeee protesting-— miners or to prevent the miners from protesting. the from protesting. during the ebevebee—

from protesting. during the- thatcher—problem thatcher years. so the problem is thatcher years. so the problem te-vbte— thatcher years. so the problem is-this legislation- thatcher years. so the problem is this legislation in is you put this legislation in bvee,— is you put this legislation in bvee-beet— is you put this legislation in place, don't where is you put this legislation in- place,-don't-where it's place, you don't know where it's going— place, you don't know where it's being-vee— place, you don't know where it's geteg-veu eee-b- place, you don't know where it's going you don't know who going to go. you don't know who it's going to go. you don't know who tee—ee- going to go. you don't know who b-e—se .- going to go. you don't know who it's—so i think. it's going to affect. so i think the— it's going to affect. so i think eee-bee— it's going to affect. so i think eee-bee te— it's going to affect. so i think the-line is.should| it's going to affect. so i think. the-line is.should we the bottom line is we should we ebeuve— the bottom line is we should we should - peaceful- the bottom line is we should we should peaceful protest in should have peaceful protest in this should have peaceful protest in be eeeebev— should have peaceful protest in this country. we— should have peaceful protest in this country. we should be euevee— this country. we should be allowed peacefully protest allowed to peacefully protest eee—e- allowed to peacefully protest eee—e bvi allowed to peacefully protest. eee—e vev ee and like you said, it's a law of unintended— and like you said, it's a law of unintended consequences. what ebev-ee—ee- unintended consequences. what ebev-ee—ee bel they're arguing is going to be, oh, you know, we want to make the streets safer for all. and the streets safer for all. and the that we do that is then the way that we do that is then we that protesters aren't we ensure that protesters aren't allowed to in any shape allowed to disrupt in any shape or is happening or form. what is happening protests disruption. protests is a disruption. absolutely if you look absolutely is. and if you look at outside, it at what's happening outside, it was 30 degrees outside. i'm pro just now you. just stop oil now are you. yeah it's hot. it is still hot. it's too hot. it is still hot. eee— it's too hot. it is still hot. eee bee. — it's too hot. it is still hot. eee bee. ee— it's too hot. it is still hot. too hot. on that- i it is still hot. too hot. on that note, let's move on to another question from john- — move on to another question from john- vvbeee-e— move on to another question from john. where's john?— move on to another question from john. where's john? hi, john. hi vbeee. — john. where's john? hi, john. hi vbeee. lebe— john. where's john? hi, john. hi there. .the government- john. where's john? hi, john. hi there. ; ”vivi“i“ “v; there. is the government fanning there. is the government fanning the of a culture war? the flames of a culture war? this interesting one. so this is an interesting one. so oxford university have i“ e?" so oxford university have appointed a oxford university have appointed e—bebeee- a new professor of lgbtq+ bteveev— a new professor of lgbtq+ bteveev .— a new professor of lgbtq+ bveeeev . aet— a new professor of lgbtq+ history . and this professor is history. and this professor is a guy— history. and this professor is a guy eeuee— history. and this professor is a guy called matt— history. and this professor is a guy called matt cook. he has eeeueee— guy called matt cook. he has eeeeeee vbe— guy called matt cook. he has accused the government of being— accused the government of beeteg e— accused the government of fanning a culture war, saying vbeee-e— fanning a culture war, saying vbeee-e eee— fanning a culture war, saying there's no problem whatsoever ebb— there's no problem whatsoever vtvb—ebeeeb- there's no problem whatsoever with _ speech on - with freedom of speech on uetveeebv— with freedom of speech on- university _which with freedom of speech on- ur really y_which with freedom of speech on ur really interesting which with freedom of speech on ur really interesting because 'hich with freedom of speech on urreally interesting because of:h is really interesting because of course, we saw kathleen course, we all saw kathleen sbeb—

course, we all saw kathleen sveeb bev— course, we all saw kathleen stock last week— course, we all saw kathleen stock last week give her a talk eee— stock last week give her a talk and eu— stock last week give her a talk and all those— stock last week give her a talk and all those people outside eeeeeeebeg— and all those people outside screaming—to- and all those people outside screaming to shut and all those people outside- screaming_to shut her screaming and trying to shut her up screaming and trying to shut her ebleeeeeeee— screaming and trying to shut her up someone glueing herself to up, someone glueing herself to the up, someone glueing herself to be ebege— up, someone glueing herself to be eeege eee.— up, someone glueing herself to the stage area. and of course , the stage area. and of course, bevbveee— the stage area. and of course, kathleen stock— the stage area. and of course, kathleen stock is— the stage area. and of course, kathleen stock is an example. see— kathleen stock is an example. be ve— kathleen stock is an example. she was driven— kathleen stock is an example. she was driven out of the betveeebv— she was driven out of the university sussex . that university of sussex. that been-v— university of sussex. that doesn't strike _ university of sussex. that doesn't strike me as a particularly- doesn't strike me as a- particularly-speech particularly pro free speech eeebbee— particularly pro free speech position. -and - particularly pro free speech position. and she's just position. yeah. and she's just eeeleeeev— position. yeah. and she's just one many examples of speech one of many examples of speech being— one of many examples of speech being-eee— one of many examples of speech being-on campus. - one of many examples of speech being-on campus. i. being restricted on campus. i mean—feminist. being restricted on campus. i. mean _feminist film mean, there's the feminist film that cancelled from being that was cancelled from being shown at edinburgh, edinburgh, edinburgh university, and i mean the government and people on the, on the right are conservatives, are accused of, you know, fighting this culture war. honestly we're not we're responding to crazy stuff that's happening . and you know, i think happening. and you know, i think i think some of the stuff like, you know, drag queens or sexualised performance is for children, you know, a naked sexual for children. that's something that, you know, has to be reacted to and has to be. we try and stop it from happening because it's a terrible idea. we're not starting this war. we're not starting this war. we're not starting this war. we're not we're not making these people put on these sexualised performances. so that's a really

beveeeebee— performances. so that's a really interesting point.— performances. so that's a really interesting point. is— performances. so that's a really interesting point. islso- interesting point. is it so ebeebvebv— interesting point. is it sol effectively _this effectively you've got this ebuevbe— effectively you've got this situation where, you know, veu-u— situation where, you know, vee-vv beve— situation where, you know, you'll have these protesters not teet— just protesting, but trying to ebb—banging- just protesting, but trying to- shut_banging drums, shut people up, banging drums, eeeveebeg— shut people up, banging drums, preventing—from - shut people up, banging drums, preventing from being preventing the person from being beeee— preventing the person from being heard—alarms,- heard, setting off fire alarms, you— heard, setting off fire alarms, veu beev— heard, setting off fire alarms, vee beev .— heard, setting off fire alarms, vee beev , going— heard, setting off fire alarms, you know , going beyond you know, going beyond what beeeebb— you know, going beyond what eeeeebb-te— you know, going beyond what eeeeebb-te .- you know, going beyond what peaceful is , harassing peaceful protest is, harassing in some cases, like at let in some cases, like at the let eeeeb— in some cases, like at the let women speak thing, you've had beebve— women speak thing, you've had beeeve-bbveteeuv- people actually physically eeeeubbeg— people actually physically- assaulting—gaines assaulting people. riley gaines at assaulting people. riley gaines ev—eevueuv- at a university was actually ebveteevvv— at a university was actually physically that's at a university was actually- physically-that's not physically assaulted. that's not beebeev— physically assaulted. that's not beebeev-vbev— physically assaulted. that's not protest _they - say, - physically assaulted. that's not protest they say, you protest. and they will say, you bvee,— protest. and they will say, you knew, bev— protest. and they will say, you know, that we're _ protest. and they will say, you know, that we're starting a eubeee— know, that we're starting a culture - saying, - know, that we're starting a culture saying, hang on know, that we're starting a- culture-saying, hang on a culture war by saying, hang on a minute,— culture war by saying, hang on a minute-eave— culture war by saying, hang on a minute,-can't.that. - culture war by saying, hang on a minute, can't that. but minute, you can't do that. but ve-ee—b- minute, you can't do that. but v—eeeb bbeeei we're just responding to them vbe— we're just responding to them wee-bee— we're just responding to them who _fact, the- we're just responding to them who fact, the culture who are, in fact, the culture warriors. well,— who are, in fact, the culture warriors. well, the- who are, in fact, the culture warriors. �*vvv�*vigc 55.vi; who are, in fact, the culture warriors. well, the issue is people think it's right versus left, isn't. left, but it actually isn't. it's do power and every it's to do with power and every side that has power limits freedom of speech. so if you think about right the think about the right in the 80s, america, if 80s, particularly in america, if you think about the stand up comedians were pushing comedians that were pushing back on hicks, the on that, the bill hicks, the george they were george carlin's, they were criticising religious right, criticising the religious right, but liberal but now it's the liberal left. well, they're not liberal at all. they're, as we all know , all. they're, as we all know, completely are completely illiberal. they are the ones who have the cultural power and dominance, particularly at universities. so they're ones pushing out. i they're the ones pushing out. i mean, interesting

mean, it's interesting to deny that problem free that there's a problem with free speech campus because, yes, speech on campus because, yes, it's that many people it's true that not many people are no platform , are disinvited or no platform, but because it's a kind but that's because it's a kind of thing. right. of pre—emptive thing. right. because that of pre—emptive thing. right.l because—that people because the fact is that people eee-v— because the fact is that people eee-v bvee— because the fact is that people don't invite people because they bev— don't invite people because they knew vbev-ee — don't invite people because they know they're just— don't invite people because they know they're just to get know they're just going to get eeeeeuee— know they're just going to get cancelled _yeah, - know they're just going to get cancelled _yeah, it'si cancelled anyway. yeah, it's vibe— cancelled anyway. yeah, it's like purges. like stalin's purges. you only you need execute a few you only need to execute a few people the rest of the people for the rest of the people for the rest of the people not to to cause people not to not to cause a fuss. yeah. by the way, i'm gutted.— fuss. yeah. by the way, i'm gutted. libe— fuss. yeah. by the way, i'm gutted. like i've— “vie? i“ by the way, i'm gutted. like i've been to loads of universities— gutted. like i've been to loads of universities to— gutted. like i've been to loads of universities to give talks. no of universities to give talks. be ee— of universities to give talks. no one ever protests. they don't be— no one ever protests. they don't be e— no one ever protests. they don't b-e e-v— no one ever protests. they don't care. it's a-i want- no one ever protests. they don't care. it's a-i want a- no one ever protests. they don't care. it's a i want a bit care. it's a shame. i want a bit of care. it's a shame. i want a bit ee bee— care. it's a shame. i want a bit of that, though. _ care. it's a shame. i want a bit of that, though. like quite of that, though. like i quite bbe— of that, though. like i quite likelstalker. _ of that, though. like i quite likelstalker. you- of that, though. like i quite like stalker. /vi.v. v:viv of that, though. like i quite like stalker. /vi.x. v:viv /vi.x. like a stalker. you do. you want someone at least a little bit of pritt stick just rolling on the carpet. know, a token carpet. you know, it's a token gesture, mate. just come on. you knew.— gesture, mate. just come on. you knew-eeeeeeee— gesture, mate. just come on. you knew-eeeeeeee-eee- gesture, mate. just come on. youi know,-massage-ego here. gesture, mate. just come on. you. know,-massage-ego here. know, help massage my ego here. i know, help massage my ego here. v-ebgbevv— know, help massage my ego here. i-slightly significant. - i feel slightly significant. okay final question okay our final question now for the moment from elliott. the moment is from elliott. hello, elliott. is it acceptable?- hello, elliott. is it acceptable? for me to acceptable? acceptable for me to enjoy— acceptable? acceptable for me to enjoylpub_ acceptable? acceptable for me to eetevleeb meet— acceptable? acceptable for me to enjoy pub meal naked? no. enjoy a pub meal naked? no. bubb— enjoy a pub meal naked? no. elliott-you— enjoy a pub meal naked? no. elliott,-you asking?- enjoy a pub meal naked? no. i elliott,-you asking? are elliott, why are you asking? are you kind of thing to you into this kind of thing to ask? that's not true . naturists ask? that's not true. naturists well, basically, apparently, i didn't know this. it's legal. it is legal to walk around naked as

long as there's no sexual context to that. so no. and these this this was a pair of naturist shorts. they went to a pub and they were they were told to leave. is that right? pub and they were they were told to leave. is that right ? they to leave. is that right? they were told to leave this pub because they were sitting there naked. it actually feels that seems to me. think of the seems right to me. think of the beb— seems right to me. think of the vbbeb ee— seems right to me. think of the vbbeb e be— seems right to me. think of the think of the mark— seems right to me. think of the think of the mark that's- . v;i“ think of the think of the mark that's going to think of the mark that's going be beave— think of the mark that's going be beeve eee— think of the mark that's going to leave on the— think of the mark that's going to leave on the leather sofa. i v— to leave on the leather sofa. i v eee-v— to leave on the leather sofa. i mean, i don't want- to leave on the leather sofa. i mean, i don't want to sit in bev— mean, i don't want to sit in be eeb— mean, i don't want to sit in that sofa after. _ mean, i don't want to sit in that sofa after. i- mean, i don't want to sit in that sofa after. i don't even be— that sofa after. i don't even be being— that sofa after. i don't even like usinglbench- that sofa after. i don't even like using bench at the gym like using a bench at the gym ebee— like using a bench at the gym after somebody's_ like using a bench at the gym after somebody's been that. after somebody's been on that. and— after somebody's been on that. abe—veeebee- and that person is wearing ebeeee. — and that person is wearing ebeeee. obey.— and that person is wearing shorts. okay. but- and that person is wearing shorts. okay. but apparently when the pub, when they turned up at the pub, the why this has become the reason why this has become a new story is because loads of diners then gave the pub really bad reviews because they let diners then gave the pub really bad naked s because they let diners then gave the pub really bad naked couple se they let diners then gave the pub really bad naked couple in.they let diners then gave the pub really bad naked couple in. yeah,et diners then gave the pub really bad naked couple in. yeah, but this naked couple in. yeah, but if it's legal then they can't really rid of them. will. it really get rid of them. will. it depends really get rid of them. will. it eeeeeee-eeee— really get rid of them. will. it depends-good someone. really get rid of them. will. it. depends-good someone looks depends how good someone looks when— depends how good someone looks vbee—vee-eel when they're naked. so you're saying— when they're naked. so you're saying ebb— when they're naked. so you're saying that were put off when they're naked. so you're sayinfood.t were put off when they're naked. so you're sayinfood. yeah, were put off when they're naked. so you're sayinfood. yeah, exactly put off when they're naked. so you're sayinfood. yeah, exactly . t off their food. yeah, exactly. yeah. okay. you know, their food. yeah, exactly. - yeah. okay. you know, because vee— yeah. okay. you know, because vee eee— yeah. okay. you know, because vee eee going— yeah. okay. you know, because you're not going to want to eat veue— you're not going to want to eat veee beve— you're not going to want to eat veee bate b— you're not going to want to eat your pate if you're— you're not going to want to eat your pate if you're looking over eee— your pate if you're looking over and someone in— your pate if you're looking over and someone in front of you beeke— and someone in front of you beebe vibe— and someone in front of you looks like they're made out of bee. — looks like they're made out of bee. _weu— looks like they're made out of bee. _weu .— looks like they're made out of pate. _well , the- looks like they're made out of pate. well , the problem looks like they're made out of pate.that well , the problem looks like they're made out of pate.that iswell , the problem looks like they're made out of pate.that is it's. , the problem looks like they're made out of pate.that is it's. , veryziroblem with that is it's a very

subjective _ with that is it's a very subjective thing, isn't it? \vvi.v subjective thing, isn't it? no, it's subjective thing, isn't it? no, be eee. b— subjective thing, isn't it? no, it's not. it really— subjective thing, isn't it? \vvi.v i it really isn't. it's not. it really isn't. beebve— it's not. it really isn't. eeeeve say— it's not. it really isn't. people say like,- i it really isn't. people say like, you know, if eeeeebeev— people say like, you know, if eeeeebeev te— people say like, you know, if somebody is ripped and looks bbe— somebody is ripped and looks be e— somebody is ripped and looks be e eeeeb— somebody is ripped and looks like a greek god,— somebody is ripped and looks like a greek god, they look good . if like a greek god, they look good it eeeeebeev— like a greek god, they look good ..if somebody-like- . and if somebody looks like vbev-ee— . and if somebody looks like vbev-ee-ee- . and if somebody looks like. they're-of play—doh, they're made out of play—doh, bev— they're made out of play—doh, they-beb— they're made out of play—doh, they-look-think| they don't look good. i think it's they don't look good. i think be be— they don't look good. i think be ee-vbeb— they don't look good. i think it's an what do you think it's an old what do you think about this one? you think about this one? do you think that we should just ban nudity in well i mean, kind in public? well i mean, it kind of quite banned. of socially is quite banned. yeah, it is. i mean, unless vee— yeah, it is. i mean, unless vee-eele— yeah, it is. i mean, unless you're-a specific- yeah, it is. i mean, unless you're a specific parade, you're in a specific parade, bbe— you're in a specific parade, be it— you're in a specific parade, like if you're— you're in a specific parade, like if you're in— you're in a specific parade, like if you're in a pride teete— like if you're in a pride parade, then,- like if you're in a pride parade, then, you know, it's bee.— parade, then, you know, it's fine. .absolutely- parade, then, you know, it's fine. absolutely yeah fine. it's absolutely fine. yeah a celebration.— fine. it's absolutely fine. yeah a celebration. think generally a celebration. i think generally you a celebration. i think generally vee-teeb— a celebration. i think generally vee-teeblb— a celebration. i think generally vee-teeblb-eeei you can't just go to marks and seeeeee-e— you can't just go to marks and spencer's—aroundl spencer's and wander around begging— spencer's and wander around eeeggteg e— spencer's and wander around dragging a tackle through the eeeevteb— dragging a tackle through the sandwich aisle.— dragging a tackle through the sandwich aisle. that's �*vvv�*vixc sandwich aisle. that's well, bbeee-e— sandwich aisle. that's well, bbeee-e e— sandwich aisle. that's well, there's a hygiene issue. there isn't. there more than isn't. there is. more than anything. yeah well, anything. yeah okay. well, i think we've that. let's think we've solved that. let's move next up on free speech move on. next up on free speech nafion move on. next up on free speech nation , latest the row nation, the latest on the row between hampshire police and we are fair cop over an online posting of a flag. there's a bit more to it though and we'll explain in about three explain all in about three minutes time.

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radio. oh welcome back to free speech nation. so around this time last veer.— nation. so around this time last yeare ve— nation. so around this time last year, we featured— nation. so around this time last year, we featured a— \v so around this time last year, we featured a story on the ebev— year, we featured a story on the ebev ebeeb— year, we featured a story on the ebev ebeub e— year, we featured a story on the show about a man— year, we featured a story on the show about a man being arrested by bemeebtee— show about a man being arrested by hampshire police for posting a contentious— by hampshire police for posting a contentious flag online , and a contentious flag online, and the image— a contentious flag online, and the image be— a contentious flag online, and the image in question arranges for the image in question arranges be peegeeee— the image in question arranges for progress. pride flags begebbee— for progress. pride flags together in— for progress. pride flags together in such a way as to make— together in such a way as to make bem— together in such a way as to make them resemble a swastika. beeev— make them resemble a swastika. beeev mbee— make them resemble a swastika. harry miller was— make them resemble a swastika. harry miller was also arrested for obstructing— harry miller was also arrested for obstructing the police, and thee— for obstructing the police, and those arrested _ for obstructing the police, and those arrested have recently eeeetvee— those arrested have recently received two _ those arrested have recently received two letters. the first was an acknowledgement that the eeeeeeb— was an acknowledgement that the eeeeeeb ebev— was an acknowledgement that the eeeeeeb eeev eeb— was an acknowledgement that the arrests may not have been eebeeb— arrests may not have been entirely lawful— arrests may not have been entirely lawful and that the bebee— entirely lawful and that the eebee vb— entirely lawful and that the police will accept claims for compensation.— police will accept claims for compensation. the second teetebee— compensation. the second insisted that— compensation. the second insisted that posting the flag eeuve— insisted that posting the flag eeuve ebb— insisted that posting the flag could still be— insisted that posting the flag could still be a— insisted that posting the flag could still be a criminal ebeeee— could still be a criminal offence if— could still be a criminal offence if it— could still be a criminal offence if it causes anxiety. so to offence if it causes anxiety. so be beeeee— offence if it causes anxiety. so to discuss this,— offence if it causes anxiety. so to discuss this, please welcome et— to discuss this, please welcome et bbeee— to discuss this, please welcome one of those arrested at the tee— one of those arrested at the time, former— one of those arrested at the time, former police officer beeev— time, former police officer beeev venee— time, former police officer harry miller, and the lawyer seeeb— harry miller, and the lawyer sarah phillimore, who . i'm going sarah phillimore, who. i'm going to sarah phillimore, who. i'm going be eeeee— sarah phillimore, who. i'm going be b— sarah phillimore, who. i'm going be b vee— sarah phillimore, who. i'm going to come to you first. i“ so to come to you first. sarah. so

bbeee-e— to come to you first. sarah. so bbeee-e vete— to come to you first. sarah. so there's lots of— to come to you first. sarah. so there's lots of things— to come to you first. i“ so there's lots of things online beb— there's lots of things online that eeuee— there's lots of things online that cause me— there's lots of things online that cause me anxiety. most of the that cause me anxiety. most of bee beebve— that cause me anxiety. most of bee beeeve vbe— that cause me anxiety. most of the people who tweet me actually on the people who tweet me actually eee e ebb— the people who tweet me actually on a daily basis— the people who tweet me actually on a daily basis cause me anxiety.— on a daily basis cause me eevteev. se— on a daily basis cause me anxiety. so can- on a daily basis cause me anxiety. so can i get them all eeeeebeee — anxiety. so can i get them all arrested? and— anxiety. so can i get them all arrested? and well,- anxiety. so can i get them all arrested? “v: arrested? and well, apparently if you do something that the police don't like, then yes. and that's the danger , isn't it? and that's the danger, isn't it? beeeuee— and that's the danger, isn't it? because-of— and that's the danger, isn't it? because-of these- and that's the danger, isn't it? because of these laws because all of these laws i bete— because all of these laws i mean, this was— because all of these laws i mean, this was the communications act 2003 that beeev— communications act 2003 that beeev ve— communications act 2003 that harry was threatened with all bbeee— harry was threatened with all. these—massive these laws predate the massive ee— these laws predate the massive et— these laws predate the massive et be— these laws predate the massive rise of the internet. so what eeb— rise of the internet. so what gee ev— rise of the internet. so what we've got now is— rise of the internet. so what we've got now is the ability to eeeeb— we've got now is the ability to reach millions— we've got now is the ability to reach millions of— we've got now is the ability to reach millions of people. beeev-e— reach millions of people. harry's tweet,— reach millions of people. harry's tweet, where he beeteeuv— harry's tweet, where he basically said, come and arrest bee— basically said, come and arrest v-ee eeebee— basically said, come and arrest me. i'm posting picture me. i'm posting the picture agate.— me. i'm posting the picture again-million. me. i'm posting the picture- again. _million views. again. i've got a million views. bvee— again. i've got a million views. bvee moo— again. i've got a million views. over 7000 people— again. i've got a million views. over 7000 people liked it. ebeueeeee— over 7000 people liked it. thousands of— over 7000 people liked it. thousands of people retweeted it. thousands of people retweeted b. it— thousands of people retweeted b. it beb— thousands of people retweeted it..| think-puts- thousands of people retweeted it. i think puts the it. so i think this puts the bebee— it. so i think this puts the eebeele— it. so i think this puts the police-a really- it. so i think this puts the police a really interesting police in a really interesting beebeee— police in a really interesting beebee .— police in a really interesting beebee . bee— police in a really interesting position . are going to position. are they going to eeeeeb— position. are they going to arrest everybody who liked it or eebveebee— arrest everybody who liked it or retweeted it?— arrest everybody who liked it or retweeted it? yes— arrest everybody who liked it or retweeted it? yes these laws are not retweeted it? yes these laws are net b— retweeted it? yes these laws are net bleuebeee— retweeted it? yes these laws are not fit purpose because not fit for purpose because bbev-ee— not fit for purpose because ebev-ee veev— not fit for purpose because they're very much directed eeeteeb— they're very much directed egeteeb eee— they're very much directed against an individual who's being— against an individual who's being harassed— against an individual who's being harassed . against an individual who's- being harassed . .we should being harassed. and we should say, that you posted that say, harry, that you posted that for reason. this meme for a reason. i mean, this meme has doing the rounds has been doing the rounds for years and years and years. it was. and someone posted it and got whereas know, got arrested. whereas you know, the others people got arrested. whereas you know, the posted others people got arrested. whereas you know, the posted it others people got arrested. whereas you know, the posted it didn'tiers people got arrested. whereas you know, the posted it didn't get people who posted it didn't get arrested. you were making

arrested. so you were making a point, weren't you? that's exactly. mean, _ point, weren't you? that's exactly. mean, the - i vix.7 that's exactly mean, the police exactly i mean, the police eeguee— exactly i mean, the police eegeee be— exactly i mean, the police argued in this— exactly i mean, the police argued in this famed second vebee— argued in this famed second bebee beb— argued in this famed second letter that the— argued in this famed second letter that the fact that the argued in this famed second letter veteran, fact that the argued in this famed second letter veteran, when hat the argued in this famed second letter veteran, when he the argued in this famed second letter veteran, when he posted army veteran, when he posted it, put army veteran, when he posted it, but eebgee—bbe- army veteran, when he posted it, put trigger the post put trigger warning on the post beb— put trigger warning on the post be be— put trigger warning on the post be be be— put trigger warning on the post that this in itself— put trigger warning on the post that this in itself was evidence of that this in itself was evidence et bie— that this in itself was evidence et tie-mine— that this in itself was evidence of his mind because of his guilty mind because eevbeev— of his guilty mind because eevbeev-te— of his guilty mind because anybody is what they put in anybody this is what they put in the anybody this is what they put in bbe- — anybody this is what they put in bbe- b— anybody this is what they put in bbe- b vee— anybody this is what they put in bbe- bvee pub- anybody this is what they put in the- if you put trigger. the letter. if you put trigger warning on something that proves that you knew that was that you knew that it was offensive, therefore you are guilty. you know that is guilty. now you know that is patent nonsense. i know that is patent nonsense. i know that is patent nonsense. i know that is patent nonsense. what i did patent nonsense. so what i did was the chief constable the was sent the chief constable the exact image. i said , i exact same image. i said, i understand that you are personally anxiety personally caused anxiety by this. that's why i'm sending it. and i intend to post it. i intend to put it up on our twitter feed throughout the entire pride . come entire holy month of pride. come and arrest me if you want to. but of course they won't do because whilst they're very happy to pick on the small person , if you like members of person, if you like members of the public, they won't pick on somebody who's as bolshie as i am and who's got the fantastic backup of sarah phillimore. well, let's . so i should. oh, well, let's. so i should. oh, bbeee— well, let's. so i should. oh, bbeee ve— well, let's. so i should. oh, bbeee we 90— well, let's. so i should. oh, ebeee ve ge . — well, let's. so i should. oh, there we go . we- well, let's. so i should. oh, there we go . �*vvv�*vi; :

well, let's. so i should. oh,- there we go . we should probably there we go. we should probably just clarify fair cop. what does fair cop just clarify fair cop. what does be eeb ebe— just clarify fair cop. what does fair cop do? this— just clarify fair cop. what does fair cop do? this is— just clarify fair cop. what does fair cop do? this is your- fair cop do? this is your organisation. - fair cop do? this is your organisation. �*vvv�*vixc . organisation. well, fair cop exists in order to challenge police overreach where the police overreach where the police stretch the law to the point that it's no longer credible, which is what they've done with the communications act . and that act was designed to stop people sending gross images to former friends. et cetera . to former friends. et cetera. with the purpose of upsetting them. ex—boyfriends ex girlfriends, etcetera. it wasn't designed for this. so fair cop has said we will we will hold police forces to account and lately what we're doing when the police pick on somebody, we look and go , that isn't an offence. and go, that isn't an offence. so our mo now is to put a massive target on our own backs and say we're doing it. come and arrest us. but they won't because they can't stand the fact that if they did that we would have them out in court and i'd have their pants down. but then if they are, if it's- then if they are, if it's about ebubve— then if they are, if it's about double standards, they're bbev-ee— double standards, they're they're willing to go after pebble— they're willing to go after beeeve vbe— they're willing to go after people who can't defend

themselves.— people who can't defend themselves. not people who can't defend. themselves.-not-fair people who can't defend- themselves. .not-fair cop themselves. but not not fair cop beeeeeb— themselves. but not not fair cop beeeeeb-ge— themselves. but not not fair cop beeeeeb-ge b- themselves. but not not fair cop doesn't-go to show- doesn't that just go to show beb— doesn't that just go to show bet-eeb— doesn't that just go to show that not applying the that they're not applying the be. — that they're not applying the be. beb— that they're not applying the law. well exactly.- that they're not applying the law. �*vivvvixi clxeeccq ' “v: that they're not applying the law. �*vivvvixi tilkaivfifxcg ' “v: law. well exactly. and i think harry's effective harry's got a very effective strategy requires being strategy and it requires being brave. it requires taking that risk will be arrested or risk that he will be arrested or i will arrested or i'll be i will be arrested or i'll be disbarred. both think disbarred. but we both think that risk is worth taking, that that risk is worth taking, because happening because what's happening is really frightening. because what's happening is realeolice frightening. because what's happening is realeolice are frightening. because what's happening is realeolice are acting.tning. the police are acting. i've always as effectively the police are acting. i've athe s as effectively the police are acting. i've athe private as effectively the police are acting. i've athe private militiatffectively the police are acting. i've athe private militia for:tively . the private militia for a particular ideology, which i don't think has any basis in fact or law or reason, which is a definite safeguarding risk to children. we have to be able to talk about it, to mock it, to be offensive about it. these are not criminal offences. these are part of a very urgent and necessary public debate. can i ask you what the law- necessary public debate. can i ask you what the law is- ig vi. : can i ask you what the law is on this? so ask you what the law is on this? be be— ask you what the law is on this? so for instance,— ask you what the law is on this? so for instance, could someone beet— so for instance, could someone beet eee— so for instance, could someone beet eee eebuev— so for instance, could someone post an actual swastika flag on eeebee— post an actual swastika flag on eebee ee— post an actual swastika flag on eebee ee te— post an actual swastika flag on online or is that— post an actual swastika flag on online or is that considered? web.— online or is that considered? vveu. b— online or is that considered? well, if somebody— online or is that considered? well, if somebody reports you to the police, even though perception based hate crime recording is supposed to be a dead yes. if somebody dead letter. yes. if somebody said i find that offensive said i find that very offensive because having a go at me because it was having a go at me for being i think the for being trans, i think the police would probably jump into

action, do something because this they've doing action, do something because thisyears they've doing action, do something because thisyears now1ey've doing action, do something because thisyears now without doing action, do something because thisyears now without properng for years now without proper challenge until harry came along. because my understanding is along. because my understanding te beb— along. because my understanding be bbeb-bbbe— along. because my understanding is that-this image,— ; because my understanding is that this image, you can is that this this image, you can eee-beepe- is that this this image, you can see-people would. is that this this image, you can see people would find see why some people would find it , see why some people would find bb-. ebebbe— see why some people would find it-, right? because- it offensive, right? because be— it offensive, right? because be-be— it offensive, right? because be-be eeb— it offensive, right? because it's it's not someone it's but it's not someone eeebbeg— it's but it's not someone posting swastika. they're posting a swastika. they're bevbee— posting a swastika. they're bevbee-e- posting a swastika. they're bevbeg-e bebebl posting a swastika. they're trying a point, a trying to make a point, a eebbebeeb— trying to make a point, a satirical point— trying to make a point, a satirical point about the authoritarian _ satirical point about the authoritarian excesses of the beeee— authoritarian excesses of the trans movement— authoritarian excesses of the trans movement by many people vbe— trans movement by many people vbeleeebeeb— trans movement by many people wholrespect and— trans movement by many people who respect and admire, that who i respect and admire, that bbev— who i respect and admire, that bbev bee— who i respect and admire, that bbev bee bbe— who i respect and admire, that they find the posting of any beeeegeeebv— they find the posting of any iconography deeply offensive. ebb.— iconography deeply offensive. bgbb. ane— iconography deeply offensive. bbgbb. abe .— iconography deeply offensive. right. and i understand- iconography deeply offensive. right. and i understand what they are saying . many of them they are saying. many of them make references to trivialising the holocaust . i understand what the holocaust. i understand what they are saying , but the holocaust. i understand what they are saying, but i'm afraid i reject this idea that we cannot make the link between current authoritarianism and past authoritarianism. now i thought the swastika image was a very visually striking graphic that said so economically better than words could say. this we are under the thumb of a totalitarian regime , and i think totalitarian regime, and i think that's worth saying and worth discussing. and if somebody finds it offensive, kyiv, that's sad for them . um, but that is

sad for them. um, but that is their issue . us is the problem. their issue. us is the problem. beeev— their issue. us is the problem. beeev a— their issue. us is the problem. beeev a bbb— their issue. us is the problem. beeev a bbb eb— their issue. us is the problem. harry a bit of literal- harry a bit of literal mindedness here is that people see mindedness here is that people bbeb— mindedness here is that people see that image— mindedness here is that people see that image and they assume bbeb— see that image and they assume bbeb vee— see that image and they assume that you're supporting or eeeeebbbee— that you're supporting or something that. yeah, well something like that. yeah, well . bbeb-e— something like that. yeah, well . bbeb-e e— something like that. yeah, well , that's a wilful— something like that. yeah, well , that's a wilful choice to do bbeb. — , that's a wilful choice to do bbeb. -be- , that's a wilful choice to do. that. _it's ahistorical. that. and also it's ahistorical. people are wrong if they equate the whole of with the period 1942 to 45 and the gas chambers, was around from the 1920s and that's the time in the 1920s, in the 1930, in the late 1930. that's the time to call it out because by the time you get to genocide and the gas chambers, it's too late. and that's what we're doing now. we're saying that the imagery that we're seeing now is very is too light. it's too like the imagery that we saw in 1920s germany and 1930 germany. and why should we not be able to make that comparison now? because if the only lesson you learn from is that the holocaust is bad , then you're holocaust is bad, then you're stupid because there are so many more lessons than that to be learned. what is it about the gentee— learned. what is it about the gender identity— : what is it about the gender identity ideology movement that you find to be

totalitarian, _ movement that you find to be totalitarian, or— movement that you find to be totalitarian, or would you teebbb— totalitarian, or would you teebbv bbeb— totalitarian, or would you justify that kind of comparison? webb.— justify that kind of comparison? vvebb. beb— justify that kind of comparison? well, first first— justify that kind of comparison? well, first first first of all, traditional— well, first first first of all, traditional is— well, first first first of all, traditional is not gender ideology— traditional is not gender ideology .— traditional is not gender ideology , but- traditional is not gender ideology , but it is an identity ideology, but it is an identity beeebeev— ideology, but it is an identity ideology . — ideology, but it is an identity ideology . bbb— ideology, but it is an identity ideology. erg so- ideology, but it is an identity ideology . 3c v;viv ideology. erg so we've got that . we've got the capture of the police within the fascist state of germany. we've got the capture of schools within the fascist state of germany. we've got a proliferation of insignia and flags such to such an extent that people feel that resistance is utterly futile. now, when we get the high court comparing the police to the gestapo, yes . then police to the gestapo, yes. then i think we have it on very good authority that the direction of travel is toward fascism . and travel is toward fascism. and that's interesting,— travel is toward fascism. and that's interesting, isn't- that's interesting, isn't it, seem— that's interesting, isn't it, sarah? because, you know, you eeeeeeeeeb beb— sarah? because, you know, you remember last year on regent sbeeeb.— remember last year on regent sbeeeb. bb— remember last year on regent street, it was— remember last year on regent street, it was covered in these eeegeeee — street, it was covered in these progressv bette— street, it was covered in these progress, pride flags in this really— progress, pride flags in this really eeebbv— progress, pride flags in this really, really militaristic bebbee.— really, really militaristic fashion. it— really, really militaristic fashion. it felt you fashion. it felt like you eeubbe-b— fashion. it felt like you. couldn't—flag couldn't escape this flag eevvbeee. — couldn't escape this flag. anywhere. - pointed couldn't escape this flag- anywhere. _pointed out anywhere. and as i pointed out at anywhere. and as i pointed out eeb-bee.— anywhere. and as i pointed out eb-bbeee. e— anywhere. and as i pointed out eb-bbeee. e beb— anywhere. and as i pointed out at-time, a lot-gay- anywhere. and as i pointed out at time, a lot gay people at the time, a lot of gay people beb— at the time, a lot of gay people beet-beb— at the time, a lot of gay people feel-that flag— at the time, a lot of gay people feel-that flag is- at the time, a lot of gay people feel-that flag is an- feel that that flag is an eeb—gav— feel that that flag is an anti—gay symbol. and lot of anti—gay symbol. and a lot of veeeee-bbeb— anti—gay symbol. and a lot of women .that-a- women feel that it's a misogynistic- women feel that it's a. misogynistic-so women feel that it's a- misogynistic-so surely misogynistic symbol. so surely we misogynistic symbol. so surely ve-be— misogynistic symbol. so surely ve-be be—

misogynistic symbol. so surely we-to be able— misogynistic symbol. so surely we-to be able to- misogynistic symbol. so surely we to be able to mock that we have to be able to mock that or we have to be able to mock that ee eb— we have to be able to mock that ee eb-beve— we have to be able to mock that ee eb-beve e— we have to be able to mock that or at have a discussion or at least have a discussion ebeeb— or at least have a discussion ebeub bb— or at least have a discussion about it. well,— or at least have a discussion about it. well, exactly. i“ about it. well, exactly. i mean, bbeb— about it. well, exactly. i mean, bbeb ve— about it. well, exactly. i mean, bbeb vbeb— about it. well, exactly. i mean, that was what set the apart, was their propaganda. they their use of propaganda. they were very well, i wouldn't say skilled propagandists, actually, because just so because some of it was just so crude revolting. but crude and revolting. but it worked. i looked those worked. and i looked at those flags just felt absolutely flags and i just felt absolutely chilled we chilled because my father, we won't reasons why i was won't go into reasons why i was very in whole of very interested in the whole of the history. it was so the history. and it was so reminiscent of the books that he had and the streets covered with flags. as harry it's about flags. as harry said, it's about an identity overwhelming you with power of the regime. with the power of the regime. but ultimately, the police ebeebee-b— but ultimately, the police shouldn't be _ but ultimately, the police shouldn't be taking an ideological— shouldn't be taking an ideological stance, right? shouldn't be taking an ideoloenotl stance, right? shouldn't be taking an ideoloenotl stanjob. tight? shouldn't be taking an ideoloenotl stanjob. ofit? shouldn't be taking an ideoloenotl stanjob. of course that's not their job. of course be— that's not their job. of course be eeb— that's not their job. of course it's not their— that's not their job. of course it's not their job. _ that's not their job. of course it's not their job. 'i“v: that's not their job. of course it's not their job. ' “v: that's not their job. of course it's not their job. 'i“v: it's not theirjob. and as harry always they police with always says, they police with consent. only consent. the police can only operate us trust and operate if most of us trust and respect them and think they're doing a good job. when that tips and tipping now, you know, and it's tipping now, you know, look middle aged lawyer look at me, a middle aged lawyer . don't trust the police. now . i don't trust the police. now now, somebody put a brick now, if somebody put a brick through terf through my window with terf written it, i would not trust written on it, i would not trust the police to deal with me fairly. so once the police lose , is the middle class bourgeoisie , they're in deep

bourgeoisie, they're in deep trouble because how are they actually going to do their jobs? they our consent, our they rely on our consent, our trust respect. and by trust and our respect. and by being so partial towards one minority, they're losing it . minority, they're losing it. and do you think, harry, and doyyou think, harry, just and do you think, harry, just bbeebbv— and do you think, harry, just finally bbeb— and do you think, harry, just finally, that the— and do you think, harry, just finally, that the police it's eeeb— finally, that the police it's eeeb eb— finally, that the police it's eeeb eb gene— finally, that the police it's sort of gone there too far eeebueee — sort of gone there too far captured-this- sort of gone there too far. captured .this _that sort of gone there too far- captured .this _that we captured at this point, that we eee-b— captured at this point, that we eee-b eeebbv— captured at this point, that we eee-b eeebbv eeb— captured at this point, that we can't really get this back in eeeeee — can't really get this back in order? well,— can't really get this back in order? well, i— can't really get this back in order? �*vvv�*vixc can't really get this back in order? “

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debate. we've got to work out how britain moves forward from this. join us. here on. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle later on in the show, i'm going to be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel, leo kearse and frances foster. we're going to and frances foster. we're going be beve— and frances foster. we're going be help vee— and frances foster. we're going be help vee eeeb— and frances foster. we're going to help you deal with- eeibi“v: i we're going to help you deal with your unfiltered— to help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. so please emet— unfiltered dilemmas. so please emebb-vbeve— email us at gb views cbnnews.com. and we'll do our beeb— cbnnews.com. and we'll do our beeb-veue— cbnnews.com. and we'll do our best your problems . cbnnews.com. and we'll do our. best-your problems . so best to answer your problems. so beeeeeeevv . bbe— best to answer your problems. so tomorrow , the government will tomorrow, the government will bebebe— tomorrow, the government will eebebe bbe — tomorrow, the government will debate the meaning of the word sex debate the meaning of the word eevlbbe— debate the meaning of the word sex-the equality— debate the meaning of the word sex the equality act of 2010, sex in the equality act of 2010, ebbee— sex in the equality act of 2010, be e— sex in the equality act of 2010, after a petition— sex in the equality act of 2010, after a petition gained more bbee— after a petition gained more than 100,000— after a petition gained more than 100,000 signatures. they'll eeeebeee— than 100,000 signatures. they'll consider whether— than 100,000 signatures. they'll consider whether the terms sex mete— consider whether the terms sex eeebe beeeebe— consider whether the terms sex male female men— consider whether the terms sex male female men and women should , in male female men and women should . be beget— male female men and women should . be beget beee— male female men and women should , in legal terms, mean— , in legal terms, mean biological— , in legal terms, mean biological sex and not sex as eeebbbbee— biological sex and not sex as eeebbbbee by— biological sex and not sex as modified by a— biological sex and not sex as modified by a gender recognition eeebbbbeebe— modified by a gender recognition certificate. so— modified by a gender recognition certificate. so here— modified by a gender recognition certificate. so here to speak ebeub— certificate. so here to speak ebeub bbbe— certificate. so here to speak about this today, i have the eebbee— about this today, i have the author, helen— about this today, i have the author, helen joyce , director of author, helen joyce, director of eeveeeev— author, helen joyce, director of eeveeeev eb— author, helen joyce, director of advocacy at sex—

author, helen joyce, director of advocacy at sex matters . and advocacy at sex matters. and beebbee— advocacy at sex matters. and heather binning— advocacy at sex matters. and heather binning from the women's babe— heather binning from the women's bebbe bebveeb— heather binning from the women's bebbe bebveeb .— heather binning from the women's rights network . welcome to the rights network. welcome to the ebev.— rights network. welcome to the ebev. bbeeb— rights network. welcome to the show. thank you— rights network. welcome to the show. thank you .— rights network. welcome to the show. thank you . i'm can i come show. thank you. i'm can i come to show. thank you. i'm can i come be vee— show. thank you. i'm can i come be veu beb— show. thank you. i'm can i come to you first, helen,— show. thank you. i'm can i come to you first, helen, because vee— to you first, helen, because vee eeeb— to you first, helen, because vee eeeb eb— to you first, helen, because you're part of sex matters. sex eeebbeee— you're part of sex matters. sex matters created _ you're part of sex matters. sex matters created this petition eeeb— matters created this petition eee eeb— matters created this petition and eeb eve— matters created this petition and got over the— matters created this petition and got over the threshold of webbe— and got over the threshold of 100,000, which _ and got over the threshold of 100,000, which means that there vb— 100,000, which means that there vbbb be — 100,000, which means that there vbbb be e— 100,000, which means that there will be a debate— 100,000, which means that there will be a debate in— 100,000, which means that there will be a debate in parliament. bub— will be a debate in parliament. bub ve— will be a debate in parliament. but was anyone— will be a debate in parliament. but was anyone seriously in any bubb— but was anyone seriously in any eeubb bbeb— but was anyone seriously in any doubt that the _ but was anyone seriously in any doubt that the equality act, vbee— doubt that the equality act, vbee bb— doubt that the equality act, when it refers— doubt that the equality act, when it refers to sex, meant bbebeebeeb— when it refers to sex, meant biological-so- when it refers to sex, meant biological so when the biological sex? so when the eeeeee— biological sex? so when the gender recognition act came into beee— gender recognition act came into beee be— gender recognition act came into beee be booe— gender recognition act came into force in 2004, it— gender recognition act came into force in 2004, it modified the eeeeebee— force in 2004, it modified the eeeeebee eb— force in 2004, it modified the meaning of the— force in 2004, it modified the meaning of the word sex in a few ebeebbbe— meaning of the word sex in a few eeeebbbe beve— meaning of the word sex in a few specific laws, in— meaning of the word sex in a few specific laws, in particular bbeee— specific laws, in particular those relating _ specific laws, in particular those relating to marriage and beeebeee — those relating to marriage and beeebee ane— those relating to marriage and pensions. and it— those relating to marriage and pensions. . c those relating to marriage and pensions. and it expressly did not modify the law in some other areas. so for example, parenthood, sex crimes, inheritance of land and titles . inheritance of land and titles. but in other laws, apart from those, it was it was silent. yes and then in 2010, the equality act wrapped up over 100 pieces of legislation and case law into one overarching big law, which included the things that had beenin included the things that had been in the sex discrimination act. but it was silent on whether sex really meant sex or it meant sex as modified by a

gender recognition certificate. we would argue that if you analyse the law in round analyse the law in the round that clear that it means that it's clear that it means sex for example , it sex because, for example, it says things like we're only one sex needs that facility and it gives an example of cervical smear definition of smear tests as the definition of sex is used for the definition of sexual orientation, which sex is used for the definition of se not orientation, which sex is used for the definition of se not involve tion, which sex is used for the definition of se not involve bits which sex is used for the definition of se not involve bits ofiich sex is used for the definition of se not involve bits of paper. does not involve bits of paper. but before christmas there was a legal judgement in scotland that suggested it was really sex as modified by a gender recognition certificate. sorry for the mouthful. it's it's mouthful. it's no, but it's embe— mouthful. it's no, but it's eubbe-b- mouthful. it's no, but it's quite-i think- mouthful. it's no, but it'sj quite-i think it's quite common. i think it's eeebbv— quite common. i think it's eeebbv-bbeb- quite common. i think it's- really _that.clarify really important that we clarify why— really important that we clarify wby bbbe— really important that we clarify why this important because why this is important because the why this is important because bee-beb— why this is important because bbe-aeb be— why this is important because the act is necessary, the equality act is necessary, bee-b— the equality act is necessary, bee-b-beebeeb— the equality act is necessary, isn't protect certain isn't it, to protect certain ebebbe— isn't it, to protect certain ebebbe be— isn't it, to protect certain rights for sex— isn't it, to protect certain rights for sex based rights for se bb— rights for sex based rights for women. so if there is any kind of women. so if there is any kind eb eeebbeebbv— women. so if there is any kind of ambiguity about what the word sex of ambiguity about what the word bb— of ambiguity about what the word sex means, it kind— of ambiguity about what the word sex means, it kind of negates bbeb. — sex means, it kind of negates bbeb. se— sex means, it kind of negates bbeb. se ee— sex means, it kind of negates that. so sex only- sex means, it kind of negates that. so sex only has two possible meanings in any law in british law, because there is no self—id here. it either means sex, really sex. the thing that you were conceived, the thing that was registered on your birth or it means the birth cert or it means the thing that's modified gender that's modified by a gender recognition certificate. and there's of them in the there's only 5000 of them in the wild. it really doesn't mean,

wild. so it really doesn't mean, for that men can go for example, that men can go into women's toilets changing into women's toilets or changing rooms whatever rooms or dormitories or whatever and oh, look, i'm and just say, oh, look, i'm a woman. but once you introduce that bit of as that tiny bit of doubt as to what this word you make what this word means, you make it to rely on the law. it very hard to rely on the law. if you are a service provider or an employer or something like that. that's been very that. and that's been very cleverly by stonewall that. and that's been very clev all by stonewall that. and that's been very clev all the by stonewall that. and that's been very clev all the other by stonewall that. and that's been very clev all the other peoplevnewall that. and that's been very clev all the other people whoall that. and that's been very clev all the other people who are and all the other people who are trying to convince us all that sex or it's not sex is a spectrum or it's not real, or that trans women are women, of those other women, or any of those other slogans. so this is the slogans. and so this is the start of regaining owning the language we need the language that we need and the clarity that in law in clarity that we need in law in order that we can have single sex services and people sex services and protect people against discrimination. so, against sex discrimination. so, heather, want bring you ; i“ so, heather, want bring you in heather, i want to bring you in beee.— heather, i want to bring you in beee. se— heather, i want to bring you in beee. se vbeb— heather, i want to bring you in here. so what do— heather, i want to bring you in here. so what do you to your eeeb— here. so what do you to your eebeeb eeb— here. so what do you to your ebb and be— here. so what do you to your mind and to the— here. so what do you to your mind and to the mind of the vveeeee-e— mind and to the mind of the women's rights— mind and to the mind of the women's rights network, what are the women's rights network, what are bee-beee?— women's rights network, what are the-here? what— women's rights network, what are the-here? what are- women's rights network, what are the here? what are the the risks here? what are the ebebee— the risks here? what are the stakes—comes. the risks here? what are thei stakes—comes to the risks here? what are the- stakes_comes to the stakes here when it comes to the beuebbbv— stakes here when it comes to the beeebbbv-vvebb— stakes here when it comes to the equality _well,-sex. equality act? well, same sex care, instance , is if we all care, for instance, is if we all think of your mother or your grandmother knitting and my own mother , who had dementia and mother, who had dementia and needed same sex care , it needed needed same sex care, it needed intimate care and i happened to

be there at the house when a young man turned up to provide her in the morning and think, now this is let's not beat about the bush. this is really, you know, getting her naked, washing her, cleaning her. it is not appropriate to be appropriate for that to be carried out somebody who's carried out for somebody who's a biological chap sent biological man. this chap sent him packing, he wasn't him packing, so he wasn't pretending to anything pretending to be anything other. they had . you know, obviously they had. you know, obviously not. but really important not. but it's really important isn't circumstances isn't in those circumstances that women are able to feel safe and similarly, toilets and toilets in schools, girls in schools. there are some horrendous stories at the moment going on, and it's really important that this is clarified. are businesses clarified. there are businesses , organisations out there that are and us, and that are confused and us, and that confusion means that they are allowing things to happen because that's the easiest route for them, because otherwise they'll load of they'll get a whole load of abuse thrown at them. but then last saw the nhs making last week we saw the nhs making this statement that patients would allowed except for would not be allowed except for exception circumstances to refuse care from a trans identified individual . and so identified individual. and so clearly the nhs aren't-

:: “v: e civic and so clearly the nhs aren't on your ebe— clearly the nhs aren't on your ebbe be— clearly the nhs aren't on your ebbe be bbbe— clearly the nhs aren't on your side in this. they— clearly the nhs aren't on your side in this. they are. “bilge eivi; side in this. they are. they are ebeeebv— side in this. they are. they are ebeeebv ..a_ side in this. they are. they are clearly and they are wrong. they are very wrong . the one of the are very wrong. the one of the biggest questions i would ask this is who gains there was there was an alternative of petition to wanting to debate it also for no change. who benefits from that? what has inspired that? who benefits from from the confusion that there currently is and it is the likes of stonewall who aqua reinsdorf's report on the essex university said that the law was being presented as stonewall wished it to be not as it actually was , to be not as it actually was, and without clarification action that can continue to happen . so that can continue to happen. so is that the point, helen, vi.evi“ i“ so is that the point, helen, that if is that the point, helen, that b ve— is that the point, helen, that b we eeb— is that the point, helen, that b we eeb bbbe— is that the point, helen, that if we get this clarified that we do if we get this clarified that we be beee— if we get this clarified that we do mean biological sex when the law do mean biological sex when the bev eave— do mean biological sex when the bev eeve ee— do mean biological sex when the law says sex, that— do mean biological sex when the law says sex, that these sorts of law says sex, that these sorts eb eebebee— law says sex, that these sorts of debates and— law says sex, that these sorts of debates and problems we've been— of debates and problems we've been bevbee— of debates and problems we've been having with— of debates and problems we've been having with biological eeebee— been having with biological eeebee eee— been having with biological males and women's prisons, for exempte— example, that that will go away . lvee-b— example, that that will go away . lvee-b 90— example, that that will go away . lvee-b 90 ebev.— example, that that will go away . .won't go away. it's- example, that that will go away . it won't go away. it's just the start of finding a path

towards it going away. yes. the equality about equality act is about discrimination, sex discrimination, sex discrimination rules. and when it's allowed, as in, for example , in single sex toilets and when it's as and when you it's forbidden as and when you say only can do this job and say only men can do this job and there's a very long way from there's a very long way from there to saying that you must have single sex provision, but we even get to the point we can't even get to the point where we can say when do we need single sex provision, when is it reasonable be mixed when reasonable to be mixed sex, when is reasonable single is it reasonable to be single sex? can't say what sex sex? if we can't say what sex means? yes. well, we can't eeebbv— means? yes. well, we can't eeebbv beve— means? yes. well, we can't really have the— 7 “viii? well, we can't really have the debate very ebbee— really have the debate very often _often . really have the debate very- often _often people often because too often people are—intimidated- often because too often people are intimidated into are silenced or intimidated into ebbeeee— are silenced or intimidated into silence. _there - are silenced or intimidated intoj silence. _there was silence. in your case, there was an silence. in your case, there was eee-vee— silence. in your case, there was ee-veu beb- silence. in your case, there was an-you had with- silence. in your case, there was an you had with jordan an interview you had with jordan bebeeeee— an interview you had with jordan peterson taken— an interview you had with jordan peterson taken off— an interview you had with jordan peterson taken off youtube for bebe — peterson taken off youtube for bebe eeeeeb— peterson taken off youtube for hate speech. was— peterson taken off youtube for hate speech. was �*fvv�*vixc hate speech. was it? well, i bb— hate speech. was it? well, i bb ve— hate speech. was it? well, i mean, it was it's his channel. and it's a it's an interview. i did a year ago and it got taken down yesterday. and he tweeted and screencap of the and he did a screencap of the email that he got about it or the notification button. and it said hateful. i mean, said it was hateful. and i mean, i i think it's because we i think i think it's because we referred to ellen slash elliot page okay. i mean, she page as she. okay. i mean, she is woman. she's a woman who is a woman. she's a woman who doesn't like being a woman.

she's a woman who calls herself a have just a man. so i've just have just done hate speech again, done a hate speech again, people. about well people. sorry about that. well you a free speech you know, this is a free speech show. and the is. but it's show. and the thing is. but it's not show. and the thing is. but it's eeb bebebb— show. and the thing is. but it's not hateful, is— show. and the thing is. but it's not hateful, is it?— and the thing is. but it's not hateful, is it? because the veeb— not hateful, is it? because the veeb meteebbv— not hateful, is it? because the vast majority people, vast majority of people, beebbee— vast majority of people, heather, am _ vast majority of people, heather, am i- vast majority of people, heather, am i right in saying bbeb— heather, am i right in saying bbeb bbe— heather, am i right in saying that the vast— heather, am i right in saying that the vast majority people that the vast majority of people use that the vast majority of people —be - use pronouns according to bbebeebeeb— use pronouns according to. biological—what. biological sex? that's what. vee- — biological sex? that's what. yes. _majority. whatj biological sex? that's what. . yes-majority. what are yes. the vast majority. what are they all yes. the vast majority. what are be ebb bebee— yes. the vast majority. what are they all being hateful,- yes. the vast majority. what are they all being hateful, of- they all being hateful, of course. well,— they all being hateful, of course. well, some small minority that they are minority think that they are being mean, it's being helpful, but, i mean, it's very we're out the very difficult. we're out on the streets, out the streets, women out in the streets, women out in the streets talking the public. streets talking to the public. the majority of the public the vast majority of the public are on side. but are on our side. but interestingly, and i think this probably has impact on some probably has an impact on some of that you've done of the research that you've done recently is very many of them are afraid to say yes because their families will punish them, their families will punish them, their work colleagues will punish them. so they're going and they don't know category and the debate tomorrow in westminster with the mps. we know that there are at least a couple of sex realist mps, secret sex realist mps that have not are not saying they're doing

that. they're humza yousaf , but that. they're humza yousaf, but they have other engagements tomorrow so they won't be attending. oh, they won't be ebbe— attending. oh, they won't be ebbe be— attending. oh, they won't be able to make— attending. oh, they won't be able to make it. _ : “v; oh, they won't be able to make it. attending. oh, they won't be- able to make it. that's a shame. it's about science saying they've what happens if you they've seen what happens if you speak out and they are being cowed and cowardly. but even the phrase sex realist mps, it sounds bizarre like surely all mps know the difference between a man and a woman. i mean , a man and a woman. i mean, literally a man and a woman. i mean, bbbeeebbv eveev— a man and a woman. i mean, literally every human- i mean, literally every human being who has literally every human being who bee evee— literally every human being who has ever lived— literally every human being who has ever lived has— literally every human being who has ever lived has come from a body— has ever lived has come from a woman's body, whatever else you knew. — woman's body, whatever else you knew. eeeb— woman's body, whatever else you know. and when— woman's body, whatever else you know. and when i— woman's body, whatever else you know. and when i say these bbbeee— know. and when i say these bbbeee. bbev— know. and when i say these thingsv they goe— know. and when i say these things, they go, are you think bbeb— things, they go, are you think that infertile— things, they go, are you think that infertile women are not veeeeee-b— that infertile women are not veeeeee-b ee- that infertile women are not women? i go, was an women? and i go, i was an bebeebbbe— women? and i go, i was an infertile woman. - women? and i go, i was an infertile woman. my children are by infertile woman. my children are bv-vbee— infertile woman. my children are bv-vbeelveeb- infertile woman. my children are by when went along to by ivf. and when i went along to the by ivf. and when i went along to bbe bvb— by ivf. and when i went along to bbe bvb ebbebe— by ivf. and when i went along to the ivf clinic, didn't go the ivf clinic, they didn't go beebbee—be- the ivf clinic, they didn't go beebbee—be myi looking for the eggs in my beebeee-e— looking for the eggs in my husband's-and. looking for the eggs in my. husband's-and they husband's abdomen and they awn-t— husband's abdomen and they awn-t ask— husband's abdomen and they didn't ask me— husband's abdomen and they didn't ask me for sperm didn't ask me for a sperm sample,— didn't ask me for a sperm sample, right.— didn't ask me for a sperm sample, right. at which point they— sample, right. at which point they-course,- sample, right. at which point they-course, they. they well, of course, they swiftly. — they well, of course, they swiftly. - because i swiftly. is this because activists have very activists have been very successful convincing people successful in convincing people in the media class and the political class that to make the points that you're making comes from position hate from a position of hate and bigotry. there's sort of bigotry. i think there's sort of two groups. there's the be kind group— two groups. there's the be kind

group-know— two groups. there's the be kind group-know very— two groups. there's the be kind group-know very well- g::t. there's the be kind group know very well that go. there's the be kind groufi'm know very well that go. there's the be kind groufi'm saying very well that go. there's the be kind groufi'm saying iszry well that go. there's the be kind groufi'm saying is true,3ll that go. there's the be kind groufi'm saying is true, buthat what i'm saying is true, but think— what i'm saying is true, but think-mean.— what i'm saying is true, but think mean. they say like, think it's mean. they say like, why— think it's mean. they say like, why-vou— think it's mean. they say like, why-you being— think it's mean. they say like, why you being mean about why are you being mean about emot— why are you being mean about mm page?— why are you being mean about elliot page? like— why are you being mean about elliot page? like what does it cost—this- cost you not to call this person?— cost you not to call this person-7 he— cost you not to call this person? he well, i'm talking about— person? he well, i'm talking about .— person? he well, i'm talking about a social— person? he well, i'm talking about a social contagion in which— about a social contagion in- which—disproportion which young women disproportion lesbian— which young women disproportion lesbian young— which young women disproportion lesbian young women and women which young women disproportion lesbieatingng women and women which young women disproportion lesbieating disorders| and women which young women disproportion lesbieating disorders| ancwomenl with eating disorders and women who—and.- with eating disorders and women who—and. you. who are miserable. and, you know.— who are miserable. and, you k.0w,_p.ge- who are miserable. and, youi know,_page spoke know, elliot ellen page spoke about— know, elliot ellen page spoke about various— know, elliot ellen page spoke about various mental health rut— about various mental health issues. |cut off,— about various mental health issues. cut off, taking breasts cut off, taking testosterone - breasts cut off, taking testosterone and breasts cut off, taking— testosterone-and pretending testosterone down and pretending that-men.— testosterone down and pretending that-men.-talk- that they're men. i can't talk about— that they're men. i can't talk about bbb— that they're men. i can't talk about this if— that they're men. i can't talk about this if i— that they're men. i can't talk about this if i don't use the proba— about this if i don't use the proper-ob— about this if i don't use the proper-of course.- about this if i don't use the proper of course. so proper words, of course. so i boar— proper words, of course. so i boar-bbb— proper words, of course. so i bear-will to- proper words, of course. so i bear-will to this- bear no ill will to this individual.— bear no ill will to this individual. i- bear no ill will to this individual. i just have to talk about— individual. i just have to talk about t— individual. i just have to talk about t tu— individual. i just have to talk about it in a— individual. i just have to talk about it in a reality based way aut— about it in a reality based way ant—tho- about it in a reality based way. ant—tbo-ubo and then there's the people who just and then there's the people who tuot—tubat— just think like, what am i mtootugt— just think like, what am i missing? they're talking missing? like they're talking about— missing? like they're talking about-a— missing? like they're talking about a spectrum. like, about sex as a spectrum. like, you— about sex as a spectrum. like, you know.— about sex as a spectrum. like, you know. they— about sex as a spectrum. like, you know, they also say that batt— you know, they also say that taut-a— you know, they also say that light - a particle - you know, they also say that light a particle and light can be a particle and a uto— light can be a particle and a wave like, oh— light can be a particle and a wave like, oh god, the world is very— wave like, oh god, the world is very complicated— wave like, oh god, the world is very complicated these days. and so very complicated these days. and oo—oay— very complicated these days. and oo—oay auytbtaa. | so they just don't say anything. yes so they just don't say anything. boo—so.- so they just don't say anything. yes—so, heather,�* yes understood. so, heather, i have to you about the have to ask you about the women's network. this women's rights network. this obviously is of interest you obviously is of interest to you because your your because you your your your institution, your institution, your protect your group exists to protect women's setting women's rights. you're setting up is right? up a new branch. is that right? well, we we are. we've gone well, we are. we are. we've gone international.— well, we are. we are. we've gone international._have. international. we already have women's rights— international. we already have women's rights canada and women-— women's rights canada and

women's rights. _ women's rights canada and women's rights. and women's rights. australia and tboy-to—aut- women's rights. australia andi they're—and within they're working hard and within they're working hard and within the boat— they're working hard and within the next week— they're working hard and within the next week or— they're working hard and within the next week or ten days, we'll be tauaobtua— the next week or ten days, we'll be launching women's rights. atgbautotaut— be launching women's rights. afghanistan, fantastic . which afghanistan, fantastic. which is. afghanistan, fantastic. which to. beat.— afghanistan, fantastic. which to. boat. to— afghanistan, fantastic. which is. yeah, it's just— afghanistan, fantastic. which is. yeah, it's just amazing. and the— is. yeah, it's just amazing. and the bravo— is. yeah, it's just amazing. and the brave .— is. yeah, it's just amazing. and the brave , brave— is. yeah, it's just amazing. and the brave , brave women . yeah, we the brave, brave women. yeah, we tbtut— the brave, brave women. yeah, we tbtat aayboty— the brave, brave women. yeah, we think anybody thinks that i'm bravo— think anybody thinks that i'm bravo ot— think anybody thinks that i'm brave or we're _ think anybody thinks that i'm brave or we're brave really has no ttoa— brave or we're brave really has no ttoa ubat— brave or we're brave really has no idea what bravery as a woman. i no idea what bravery as a woman. . moan.— no idea what bravery as a woman. . too— no idea what bravery as a woman. . to too— no idea what bravery as a woman. i mean, i've i've interviewed- i mean, i've i've interviewed some iranian women actually about what's going on in iran. and it does strike me that. and they made the point that sometimes you feel that western feminists aren't speaking out enough about what's going in enough about what's going on in other countries. absolutely true. that is right. why? because they accused of because they might be accused of islamophobia they don't islamophobia or think they don't understand issues. yes. islamophobia or think they don't understand issues. yes . and understand the issues. yes. and they-embatbtoo— understand the issues. yes. and they-empathise in- understand the issues. yes. and they-empathise in a- understand the issues. yes. and they-empathise in a way.- c.:: yes. and they empathise in a way. but they can empathise in a way. but to understand— they can empathise in a way. but to understand that— they can empathise in a way. but to understand that somebody has boob— to understand that somebody has been tbtougb— to understand that somebody has been through education and got a degree.— been through education and got a tattoo. boob— been through education and got a degree, been working and then all degree, been working and then at ot— degree, been working and then at ot a— degree, been working and then all of a sudden— degree, been working and then all of a sudden can't leave the bou— all of a sudden can't leave the bu voo— all of a sudden can't leave the house. yes and _ all of a sudden can't leave the house. yes and is— all of a sudden can't leave the house. yes and is reliant on on person out— house. yes and is reliant on on one person out of— house. yes and is reliant on on one person out of five to bring in one person out of five to bring to to— one person out of five to bring to to money— one person out of five to bring in to money feed— one person out of five to bring in to money feed everybody in the in to money feed everybody in tub-voo— in to money feed everybody in tho-boo boo.— in to money feed everybody in the _yes yes. it's- in to money feed everybody in the yes yes. it's and the family. yes yes. it's and to— the family. yes yes. it's and to a— the family. yes yes. it's and to a .— the family. yes yes. it's and to a . tau-t— the family. yes yes. it's and it's a i can't i— the family. yes yes. it's and it's a i can't i can't speak to— it's a i can't i can't speak to a— it's a i can't i can't speak to a tea— it's a i can't i can't speak it's a fear like— it's a i can't i can't speak it's a fear like no other. and

the— it's a fear like no other. and be women— it's a fear like no other. and the women we're- it's a fear like no other. and the women we're talking to are bnoytttne— the women we're talking to are bnoytttna bonne— the women we're talking to are providing some education online to otnen— providing some education online to otnen abate. — providing some education online to other girls. yes.— providing some education online to other girls. yes. around afghanistan— to other girls. yes. around afghanistan .— to other girls. yes. around afghanistan . so they're trying afghanistan. so they're trying to get— afghanistan. so they're trying to get aunt— afghanistan. so they're trying to get around these laws . and i to get around these laws. and i tntnt— to get around these laws. and i tntnt tt-e— to get around these laws. and i tntnt tt-e onty— to get around these laws. and i think it's only right we can't be a— think it's only right we can't be a women's— think it's only right we can't be a women's rights network if ue-ne-toottne— be a women's rights network if we're looking rights we're not looking at the rights of we're not looking at the rights ot—anu- we're not looking at the rights ot—anu whichl we're not looking at the rights- of_and which does of every women. and which does beg the question, shouldn't stonewall have gone international their international and focussed their attention rather attention internationally rather than an ideology which than embrace an ideology which is niche ? that was the idea is very niche? that was the idea in is very niche? that was the idea tn tne— is very niche? that was the idea tn be 2000— is very niche? that was the idea in the 2000 when— is very niche? that was the idea in the 2000 when it— til: t“ {.t�*ti?’ that was the idea in the 2000 when it was clear tnat— in the 2000 when it was clear tnat gay— in the 2000 when it was clear that gay marriage— in the 2000 when it was clear that gay marriage was going to bee— that gay marriage was going to become-across— that gay marriage was going to become across the western become law across the western wont.— become law across the western wont-uny— become law across the western nontt-uny-go- become law across the western world. .why- go to - become law across the western world. why go to the world. like why not go to the atobat— world. like why not go to the atobat-vee— world. like why not go to the global-yes why- world. like why not go to the global yes why not try global south? yes why not try ant— global south? yes why not try and—gav- global south? yes why not tryi ant—gay global south? yes why not try- ant—gay ant and support men gay, gay men and women-countries— and support men gay, gay men and women countries where that women in countries where that gets— women in countries where that gete you— women in countries where that gete you etonett— women in countries where that gets you stoned, gets you banged?— gets you stoned, gets youi hanged?_know gets you stoned, gets you- hanged? _ know what? hanged? yes. do you know what? tnene-e—ttl there's not much money in it. ant— there's not much money in it. ant-tot— there's not much money in it. ant-tot ot- there's not much money in it. and-lot of risk.- there's not much money in it. and lot of risk. and and there's a lot of risk. and you— and there's a lot of risk. and you ton-t— and there's a lot of risk. and you ton-t ent— and there's a lot of risk. and you don't end up— and there's a lot of risk. and you don't end up in the house of totte— you don't end up in the house of boats. tnat-e— you don't end up in the house of lords, that's why. _ you don't end up in the house of lords, that's why. [3ng lords, that's why. okay, well, tast— lords, that's why. okay, well, just finally, before go, just very finally, before we go, the equality act debate tomorrow, how do think this tomorrow, how do you think this will do you think that the will go? do you think that the government clarify this? government will clarify this? and you think this lower and do you think this will lower the a very the temperature of a very difficult debate? so it's gone the temperature of a very dif'from debate? so it's gone the temperature of a very dif'from for)ate? so it's gone the temperature of a very dif'from for 30.? so it's gone the temperature of a very dif'from for 30. you) it's gone the temperature of a very dif'from for 30. you cant gone the temperature of a very dif'from for 30. you can watch it on from for 30. you can watch it on from for 30. you can watch it on banttanent— on from for 30. you can watch it on parliament tv.— on from for 30. you can watch it on parliament tv. you can follow tnbunat— on parliament tv. you can follow tribunal tweets— on parliament tv. you can follow tribunal tweets who are a

uontentut— tribunal tweets who are a wonderful group of volunteers uno—tntngel wonderful group of volunteers. who—things like who tweet important things like tne— who tweet important things like tbte—tona- this. it'll run quite a long tne— this. it'll run quite a long time because— this. it'll run quite a long time because debating time because they're debating bott— time because they're debating botn—nate- time because they're debating both _ make the i both petitions that make the tauattty— both petitions that make the- tauattty—teeb equality act clear and they keep the equality act clear and they keep tne eauattty— equality act clear and they keep the equality act— equality act clear and they keep the equality act muddled. tettttonet— the equality act muddled. petitions,-and- the equality act muddled. petitions, and not the the equality act muddled. petitthat and not the the equality act muddled. petitthat you and not the the equality act muddled. petitthat you vote not the the equality act muddled. petitthat you vote at not the the equality act muddled. petitthat you vote at the tt the the equality act muddled. petitthat you vote at the end; sort that you vote at the end of. sort that you vote at the end on be— sort that you vote at the end on be giving— sort that you vote at the end of. it's giving the— sort that you vote at the end of. it's giving the government to— of. it's giving the government to say— of. it's giving the government cover to say there _ of. it's giving the government cover to say there is actually tenant— cover to say there is actually demand—finally. demand for this and finally airing— demand for this and finally aunt-ot- demand for this and finally airing of things that airing the sorts of things that were never said— airing the sorts of things that were never said when they passed the were never said when they passed tne gentee— were never said when they passed the gender recognition act. does a the gender recognition act. doesi a—boty a man with an ordinary male body nave— a man with an ordinary male body nave-to— a man with an ordinary male body nave-to 90— a man with an ordinary male body nave-to go no- have the right to go into a eouenn— have the right to go into a shower with _ have the right to go into a shower with teenage girls bee— shower with teenage girls because - piece - shower with teenage girls because piece of paper because he's a piece of paper eaytne— because he's a piece of paper eaytng nee— because he's a piece of paper eaytng bet a— because he's a piece of paper saying he's a woman? that's the aueetton— saying he's a woman? that's the aueettonluant— saying he's a woman? that's the question iwant-to- saying he's a woman? that's the question want to answer. question i want them to answer. wett— question i want them to answer. webb-tnbontant— question i want them to answer. well, important indeed. well, very important indeed. beatbet— well, very important indeed. heather—thanks. heather and helen, thanks so much joining today. much for joining me today. really thank you. really appreciate it. thank you. and break free and after the break on free sbeeen— and after the break on free speech nation,— and after the break on free speech nation, be talking speech nation, i'll be talking about— speech nation, i'll be talking about-ban— speech nation, i'll be talking about-ban on— speech nation, i'll be talking about ban on puberty about the ban on puberty btoetene— about the ban on puberty blockers children. “it" c about the ban on puberty blockers children. “it" . git blockers for children. don't go away. — blockers for children. don't go away. vay— blockers for children. don't go away. vay .—

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making predictions is always a mug's game, but i think i'll give it a shot . so i have a give it a shot. so i have a strong suspicion that historians of the future will look back at our current period of time in utter bewilderment. how is it they will say that supposedly they will say that a supposedly sane permitted the sane society permitted the medicalisation of children who did not conform to gender stereo types? how is it that figures in authority in the political class and the medical establishment thought it was a good idea to encourage use of puberty encourage the use of puberty blockers, which almost always lead to the taking of cross—sex hormones and sometimes irreversible surgery for kids too young to possibly consent to such interventions . none of this such interventions. none of this makes sense, but there are some signs that the tide is turning. so this week the nhs confirmed that children suffering from gender dysphoria will no longer be put on puberty. blockers in the two new clinics being set up to replace the tavistock paediatric clinic, which will be closing soon following the report by dr. hilary cass , which report by dr. hilary cass, which revealed that it was unsafe for children. the nhs has noted the

ominous exception of clinical tests which might end up being a loophole. the draft policy still uses language such as gender affirming , so we probably still affirming, so we probably still have a long way to go. we're going to have to wait to see what happens. but this is definitely a promising development. things aren't looking positive in wales looking so positive in wales and scotland, the governments scotland, where the governments have entirely have seemingly been entirely captured identity captured by gender identity activism . and the same is true activism. and the same is true of us and canada. but of the us and canada. but gradually reason will prevail. for one thing, the tavistock is going to close, although that closure does seem to keep being postponed. and one of the reasons why it was considered unsafe the use of puberty unsafe was the use of puberty blockers. the cass review confirmed that simply confirmed that there was simply not enough research into the confirmed that there was simply not etermh research into the confirmed that there was simply not eterm impact �*ch into the confirmed that there was simply not eterm impact of into the confirmed that there was simply not eterm impact of these �*ie long term impact of these treatment outs. and one would have when it to have thought when it comes to doung have thought when it comes to doling out drugs to kids, we have thought when it comes to dolingwantirugs to kids, we have thought when it comes to dolingwant to gs to kids, we have thought when it comes to dolingwant to be to kids, we have thought when it comes to dolingwant to be sureis, we have thought when it comes to dolingwant to be sure thate have thought when it comes to dolingwant to be sure that we're might want to be sure that we're not putting them in danger. in fact, that in the fact, studies show that in the vast majority of cases, feelings of gender dysphoria in are of gender dysphoria in youth are resolved, puberty. resolved, moved through puberty. so by blocking puberty, you are blocking the remedy. whose

bright idea was that? and even in those cases where the feelings persist, surely we can all agree that children aren't best placed to make life changing decisions about their own bodies . and this has all own bodies. and this has all happened very quickly. mostly because discussion on these issues been stifled only issues has been stifled only today , dr. ahmad malik has today, dr. ahmad malik has tweeted out a thread confirming that he is being invested hosted by the general medical council for expressing concerns that there has been an alarming increase in cases of child gender dysphoria and surgery. but why should this lead to an investigation? dr. malik is simply asking some legitimate questions, and it's bizarre that a health professional raising the alarm should be as the alarm should be treated as some of heretic who needs some kind of heretic who needs to be silenced. all of this can be explained with one word ideology . motty i've spoken ideology. motty i've spoken before about how a small but powerful elite in the western world have succumbed to a kind of hysteria, particularly around the notion of gender identity. the conflation of lgb with taoiseach plus has confused a lot of people because of course,

sexual orientation has got nothing to do with gender. and as i argued on the show last week, gender identity ideology promotes anti—gay rhetoric and anti—gay concepts in order to sustain itself . if you want to sustain itself. if you want to understand how self—styled progressives have got it so wrong , consider this example. in wrong, consider this example. in 2020, pinknews released the following report on pakistan . following report on pakistan. lastly, in a historic move , lastly, in a historic move, transgender— lastly, in a historic move, transgender people in pakistan will transgender people in pakistan nttt ttnatty— transgender people in pakistan will finally get— transgender people in pakistan will finally get access to free neattn— will finally get access to free neattn eate— will finally get access to free health care. the— will finally get access to free health care. the government btane— health care. the government btane utt— health care. the government plans will also— health care. the government plans will also include covering all transition— plans will also include covering all transition related costs . all transition related costs. ant— all transition related costs. and pakistan— all transition related costs. and pakistan just said trans nonto— and pakistan just said trans ngnte . — and pakistan just said trans nonte. ot— and pakistan just said trans rights . of course,- and pakistan just said trans rights. o” f "ti”ti and pakistan just said trans rights . o” titit. "ti”ti rights. of course, there was a reason why the government of pakistan was offering to support transitional surgery. it's the same reason the government of iran does, because homosexuality is illegal and there is a widespread belief that it can be corrected through sex reassignment. pakistan , which reassignment. so pakistan, which by the way, has since struck down all legal protections for trans it wasn't trans people, it wasn't supporting trans rights at all. it attacking gay people . the

it was attacking gay people. the pinknews couldn't see that because the impact ideology because the impact of ideology is blinds you to reason is that it blinds you to reason and stifles critical thought . and stifles critical thought. it. that's why activists it. and that's why activists continue to misinterpret regressive ideas as though they were progressive . we know that were progressive. we know that between 80 and 90% of adolescent who were referred to the tavistock were same sex attracted, so they were effectively correcting gay kids as the theocrats of iran and pakistan would be proud. and even for those kids who weren't, same sex attracted, surely they needed to be more discussion . needed to be more discussion. surely we should be telling young people that there is no one be a boy or a girl, one way to be a boy or a girl, that being a tomboy doesn't make you less female and playing with dolls any less dolls doesn't make you any less male. certainly being gay male. and certainly being gay doesn't you're trapped in doesn't mean you're trapped in the body. but in recent the wrong body. but in recent years, we've been avoiding those conversations and a result, conversations and as a result, we've regressing . sing this we've been regressing. sing this latest from the nhs is latest statement from the nhs is a step in the right direction. admittedly, it's only a small step and what feels like an impossible journey, but if i'm right, the historians of the

future will be baffled that we ever allowed ourselves to stray from the path of reason in the first place . okay. it's time now first place. okay. it's time now for a break. but actually, we're quickly, leo, any thoughts on puberty blockers ? yeah, i mean, puberty blockers? yeah, i mean, apparently was really enjoying watching an entire generation of left wing left wing parents, children being sterilised and maimed in the name of progress. so leo there with the sensible tate — so leo there with the sensible tate unen — so leo there with the sensible take when you're— so leo there with the sensible take when you're enemy, when you— take when you're enemy, when your enemy— take when you're enemy, when your enemy to— take when you're enemy, when your enemy is making a mistake, ton-t— your enemy is making a mistake, but ttetunb— your enemy is making a mistake, don't disturb them— your enemy is making a mistake, don't disturb them . ”it�*ti. don't disturb them. francis, uoutu— don't disturb them. francis, bout you— don't disturb them. francis, would you agree with that? no to put it mildly , no. i think the put it mildly, no. i think the tntnge— put it mildly, no. i think the tntnae t— put it mildly, no. i think the things i don't— put it mildly, no. i think the things i don't even- c t: i think the things i don't even think we've ttbbet— things i don't even think we've ttbbet a— things i don't even think we've even dipped a toe— things i don't even think we've even dipped a toe into the water of even dipped a toe into the water ot non— even dipped a toe into the water ot non nentat— even dipped a toe into the water of how mental things are going to get. — of how mental things are going to get. to.— of how mental things are going to get. to. t— of how mental things are going to get. no, i know,- of how mental things are going to get. no, i know, i- of how mental things are going to get. \ttit ' t: to get. no, i know, i know. and you've made the point about historians. i think historians in about 100 years are going to be about it and go, be reading about it and go, what's the problem, mate? because i identify as a lampshade. - because i identify as a lampshade. ci ”tiitiiyt because i identify as a- lampshade. oh, i really hope not. i really hope not. now, don't away.

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there's plenty more still to come on free— there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this beet.— come on free speech nation this week, including— come on free speech nation this week, including is— come on free speech nation this week, including is it wrong to ott— week, including is it wrong to censor old films— week, including is it wrong to censor old films for the modern eenetbtttty— censor old films for the modern eenetbtttty 7— censor old films for the modern sensibility ? are _ censor old films for the modern sensibility ? are ghosts real? sensibility? are ghosts real? ant— sensibility? are ghosts real? ant ot— sensibility? are ghosts real? and of course— sensibility? are ghosts real? and of course ,_ sensibility? are ghosts real? and of course , we'll have more and of course, we'll have more taboo— and of course, we'll have more taboo questions— and of course, we'll have more taboo questions from our sensational— taboo questions from our sensational studio audience . sensational studio audience. tnat-e— sensational studio audience. tnat-e next.— sensational studio audience. that's next. but— sensational studio audience. that's next. but first, let's get— that's next. but first, let's get a— that's next. but first, let's get a newe— that's next. but first, let's get a news update from aaron armstrong— get a news update from aaron annetnong .— get a news update from aaron annetnong . ut— get a news update from aaron armstrong . hi there. . 8 00 armstrong. hi there. it is 8:00. boot— armstrong. hi there. it is 8:00. good evening to you, aaron armstrong here in the newsroom nicola sturgeon says she's certain she's committed, no offence after being arrested as part of an ongoing inquiry into snp finances , scotland's former snp finances, scotland's former first minister was questioned for around seven hours before being released , in which she's being released, in which she's described as a shock and deeply distressing . ms sturgeon is the distressing. ms sturgeon is the third high profile snp member to

be arrested as police investigate the whereabouts of £600,000 worth of donations intended for the independence campaign in april. her husband, the party's former chief executive along with colin beattie, the snp's ex treasurer, were also questioned and released without charge with the couple's home and snp headquarters searched by police . three british tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off eqypt into flames in the red sea off egypt. into flames in the red sea off egypt . officials say at 12 egypt. officials say at 12 britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides. i2 egyptian crew and guides. it's understood the fire was caused by an electrical short circuit. the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with with egyptian authorities and is assisting those involved . jacob assisting those involved. jacob rees—mogg has denied the recent resignation from parliament of bofis resignation from parliament of boris johnson's allies are part of a plot to depose the prime minister. the former cabinet minister says rishi sunak should

remain as leader. and there's no coordinated attempt to undermine him. but he's also backed boris johnson to return as party leader after the next general election . mrjohnson announced election. mrjohnson announced he was stepping down as an mp after being handed the findings of the partygate inquiry over whether he misled parliament and sir jacob admits his ally acted sirjacob admits his ally acted improper . he sirjacob admits his ally acted improper. he one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of me to pretent— it would be absurd of me to pretend tnat— it would be absurd of me to pretend that boris hasn't made ntetatee— pretend that boris hasn't made mistakes. there— pretend that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter— mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth _ mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late totn — peter wentworth who in the late totn century— peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was— peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the 16th century was locked up in tbe toner— 16th century was locked up in the tower for— 16th century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house— the tower for saying in the house ot— the tower for saying in the house of commons, none is uttnout— house of commons, none is without fault. _ house of commons, none is without fault. no, not our gnaetoue— without fault. no, not our gracious queen. the same could be batt— gracious queen. the same could be eatt ot— gracious queen. the same could be said of boris.— gracious queen. the same could be said of boris. none is uttnout— be said of boris. none is without fault. - be said of boris. none is without fault. no, not our gnaetoue— without fault. no, not our gracious boris.- without fault. no, not our gracious boris. that that is true— gracious boris. that that is true ot— gracious boris. that that is true ot att— gracious boris. that that is true of all of— gracious boris. that that is true of all of us. iiti. true of all of us. the met office has warned almost a month's worth of rain could fall over parts of the uk in the next 12 hours. however, the country will still hotter than the will still be hotter than the south with degrees south of france, with 31 degrees recorded at heathrow earlier. yellow thunderstorm alerts will

be in place until 9 pm. tomorrow and one of the world's most active volcanoes is continuing to put on a spectacular show, a big island in hawaii erupted early on wednesday , spewing ash into the wednesday, spewing ash into the air and producing a river of lava. now, officials have urged tourists hoping to have a look tourists hoping to have a look to be respectful of the cultural and spiritual meanings. when flocking to the national park . flocking to the national park. lava flows are expected to remain confined to the surrounding crater for torfaen line dab and tune in radio this is gb news. now back to free speech nation . speech nation. welcome back to free speech nation. so let's crack straight on, nation. so let's crack straight get— nation. so let's crack straight get bonne— bit tii so let's crack straight on, get some questions from bi tii so let's crack straight on, get some questions from our etutto— on, get some questions from our studio audience.— on, get some questions from our studio audience. our first gueetton— studio audience. our first gueetton te— studio audience. our first question is from steve. hello, steve. — question is from steve. hello, steve. on— question is from steve. hello, steve. ann t— question is from steve. hello, steve. am i racist?- question is from steve. hello, steve. am i racist? if- question is from steve. hello, steve. ' ”ii. 7 �*" question is from steve. hello, steve. ' ”ii. ti.7 �*" steve. am i racist? if i wear a little black dress ? no, i think

little black dress? no, i think i little black dress? no, i think t tntnt— little black dress? no, i think t tntnt tt— little black dress? no, i think i think it would— little black dress? no, i think i think it would be— . i t: ”titintin7 no, i think i think it would be very ttattenng— i think it would be very flattering on- i think it would be very flattering on you, steve. i tntnt— flattering on you, steve. i tntnt you— flattering on you, steve. i think you should do that. so tne— think you should do that. so tnte te— think you should do that. so tab to coco— think you should do that. so this is coco chanel's little btaet— this is coco chanel's little black dress— this is coco chanel's little black dress is— this is coco chanel's little black dress is going to feature in black dress is going to feature tn an— black dress is going to feature in an exhibition— black dress is going to feature in an exhibition highlighting the racial identity of blackness. - the racial identity of- blackness. - show was blackness. the new show was eunatet— blackness. the new show was eunatetltne— blackness. the new show was curated the national museum curated by the national museum of curated by the national museum ot soottant— curated by the national museum of scotland and— curated by the national museum of scotland and will seek to examine the— of scotland and will seek to examine the radical power of the of examine the radical power of the ot-taenton— examine the radical power of the of-fashion staple— examine the radical power of the of fashion staple its of this fashion staple and its vanet— of this fashion staple and its vanet ue— of this fashion staple and its varied use from _ of this fashion staple and its varied use from respectful tunenat— varied use from respectful funeral attire _ varied use from respectful funeral attire to a favourite of tetan— funeral attire to a favourite of fetish subcultures . speaking of fetish subcultures. speaking of unten— fetish subcultures. speaking of unten you— fetish subcultures. speaking of which, you know— fetish subcultures. speaking of which, you know a lot about tnat— which, you know a lot about ag, ton-t— which, you know a lot about that, don't you?— which, you know a lot about that, don't you? i do. i'm actuatty— that, don't you? i do. i'm actually wearing one right now. the my jeans. but what's it got to race? i think to do with with race? i think because the dress is black. but but it's a dress. it's not i mean, it's not like black because i think you're making the mistake of assuming that any of this makes sense. but surely they of this makes sense. but surely tney gtve— of this makes sense. but surely tney gtye sonne— of this makes sense. but surely they give some rationale- but surely they give some rationale for it betng— they give some rationale for it betng nanot— they give some rationale for it being racist? _ they give some rationale for it being racist? ' they give some rationale for it being racist ? ' being racist? apparently not. nanote— being racist? apparently not. tnanete. t— being racist? apparently not. francis. i don't— being racist? ' francis. i don't understand the nont— francis. i don't understand the world anymore— francis. i don't understand the world anymore . _ francis. i don't understand the world anymore . gi world anymore. like genuinely these things now . well, i just. these things now. well, i just. it's like tick tock. i just look at it. i don't understand it. i don't know what to do with it.

and it just makes me angry. yeah and it just makes me angry. yeah and this is one of those things. yeah it is. it's like when. when the yeah it is. it's like when. when tne ttte— yeah it is. it's like when. when the kids show— yeah it is. it's like when. when the kids show bluey_ / . it's like when. when the kids show bluey was accused of the kids show bluey was accused ot not— the kids show bluey was accused ot not navtng— the kids show bluey was accused ot not navtng a— the kids show bluey was accused of not having a sufficiently ttvenee— of not having a sufficiently diverse cast— of not having a sufficiently diverse cast .— of not having a sufficiently diverse cast . right. and it said diverse cast. right. and it said tney— diverse cast. right. and it said tney neetet— diverse cast. right. and it said they needed more— diverse cast. right. and it said they needed more gender diverse toge— they needed more gender diverse toge. ant— they needed more gender diverse toge. ant unat— they needed more gender diverse dogs. and what was it ? they needed more gender diverse dogs. and what was it? dogs of toge— dogs. and what was it? dogs of toge ot— dogs. and what was it? dogs of dogs of colour— dogs. and what was it? dogs of dogs of colour .— dogs. and what was it? dogs of dogs of colour . and the main dog dogs of colour. and the main dog is dogs of colour. and the main dog to btue. — dogs of colour. and the main dog to btue. so— dogs of colour. and the main dog to btue. so t— dogs of colour. and the main dog is blue. so i mean— dogs of colour. and the main dog is blue. t“ i tii dogs of colour. and the main dog is blue. i is blue. so i mean come on, all of this stuff is nonsense. it's nonsense. it's wrong. when someone came out- nonsense. . d when someone came out and criticised the someone came out and criticised tne toyat— someone came out and criticised tne toyat tantty— someone came out and criticised the royal family for being too unte— the royal family for being too untte. ot— the royal family for being too white, of course,— the royal family for being too white, of course, that's the unote — white, of course, that's the unote botnt— white, of course, that's the whole point of— white, of course, that's the whole point of the royal family. wett— whole point of the royal family. webb. tnat— whole point of the royal family. well, what were— whole point of the royal family. well, what were you _ whole point of the royal family. well, what were you expect acting the cast of black acting for the cast of black panther there? but wakanda panther up there? but wakanda toneven— panther up there? but wakanda forever symbols— panther up there? but wakanda forever symbols .— panther up there? but wakanda forever symbols . but— panther up there? but wakanda forever symbols . but at- .. i”ti7 but wakanda forever symbols . but at least forever symbols. but at least tne— forever symbols. but at least be toyat— forever symbols. but at least the royal family, the people uttn— the royal family, the people nttn ettn— the royal family, the people with skin that— the royal family, the people with skin that has a colour. bbb— with skin that has a colour. tbb b— with skin that has a colour. tbb b a— with skin that has a colour. this is a dress— with skin that has a colour. this is a dress made- with skin that has a colour. this is a dress made out of fabnc. this is a dress made out of fabric . yeah, has a colour. but fabric. yeah, has a colour. but how can it be equated to race? i think academics have they have too muon— i think academics have they have too much influence.— i think academics have they have too much influence. let's just stat— too much influence. let's just start tgnonng— too much influence. let's just start ignoring them. please we got anotnen— start ignoring them. please we got another question now from banney— got another question now from banney .— got another question now from barney . where's— got another question now from barney . where's barney? barney. where's barney? hello. is barney. where's barney? hello. to t— barney. where's barney? hello. to tt okay— barney. where's barney? hello. to tt otay ton— barney. where's barney? hello. is it okay for children to dress up tn— is it okay for children to dress up tn tag-t — is it okay for children to dress up in drag? barney- is it okay for children to dress up in drag? titii . up in drag? barney, i don't know why you're asking . i have to

why you're asking. i have to say, by the why you're asking. i have to say by be way.— ”ti tg i have to say, by the way, barney is a great— say, by the way, barney is a great — say, by the way, barney is a great name. you— say, by the way, barney is a great name. you don't hear many banney-e.— great name. you don't hear many banney-e. to— great name. you don't hear many banney-e. to you— great name. you don't hear many barney's, do you know, he's a neatty— barney's, do you know, he's a neatty goot— barney's, do you know, he's a really good name? no. okay. so we nave— really good name? no. okay. so we nave a— really good name? no. okay. so we have a more— really good name? no. okay. so we have a more working class auttenee— we have a more working class audience here. _ we have a more working class audience here. i— we have a more working class audience here. . audience here. i like that, barney, because barney bit barney, because barney is a bit of fight well, isn't it? of a fight as well, isn't it? i'm having a bit of a barney. att— i'm having a bit of a barney. att ngnw — i'm having a bit of a barney. all right? yeah,— i'm having a bit of a barney. all right? t/tiitt�* bt:itt all right? yeah, no, i'm not. there's not many boxers called barney andrew doyle heavy. welcome heavyweight welcome to the heavyweight champion it's champion of the world. it's barney. should. they barney. well, they should. they absolutely should. a springer spaniel yeah it is exactly spaniel name? yeah it is exactly . okay, question . okay, well, the question aetuatty— . okay, well, the question actually-valid- . okay, well, the question- actually .valid - because actually is a valid one, because tnene— actually is a valid one, because tnene-etony— actually is a valid one, because there-story this- actually is a valid one, because there story this week. there was this story this week. tne— there was this story this week. bbb-a— there was this story this week. this-a secondary- there was this story this week. this a secondary school this was a secondary school baetoatty— this was a secondary school basically celebrate pride day basically to celebrate pride day batt— basically to celebrate pride day eatt tnat— basically to celebrate pride day eatt tnat tne— basically to celebrate pride day said that the kids— basically to celebrate pride day said that the kids should wear wnat— said that the kids should wear wnat tney— said that the kids should wear wnat tney-te— said that the kids should wear what they-is a— said that the kids should wear what they is a quote, full what they this is a quote, full btown— what they this is a quote, full btown tag.— what they this is a quote, full blown drag. so,— what they this is a quote, full blown drag. so, mean, what blown drag. so, i mean, what toes— blown drag. so, i mean, what toee tnat— blown drag. so, i mean, what does that mean?— blown drag. so, i mean, what does that mean? like really etenne— does that mean? like really extreme drag?— does that mean? like really extreme drag? is that what tney-ne— extreme drag? is that what tney-ne nont— extreme drag? is that what they're sort of— extreme drag? is that what they're sort of saying ? ' t: they're sort of saying? and i've seen some extreme drag and it's not age appropriate for children? no, i mean, it's a nonsense. i don't why the nonsense. i don't know why the left so insistent on left is so insistent on conflating ing, adult sexualised performance children , performance with children, especially at school. i mean, surely , you know, i mean, school surely, you know, i mean, school should be the one place surely

kids are just going into school being like, please, can we please a little please just learn just a little bit maths or something? the bit of maths or something? the teachers like, no , teachers are being like, no, standing there in a rainbow wig, no you're dress up no. today you're gonna dress up in . but you know, it in drag. but you know, it wouttn-t— in drag. but you know, it wouldn't bother- t“ t: ”ittg but you know, it wouldn't bother me if they had ute— wouldn't bother me if they had ttte a— wouldn't bother me if they had ttte a tay— wouldn't bother me if they had like a day where— wouldn't bother me if they had like a day where everyone can taney— like a day where everyone can wear fancy dress— like a day where everyone can wear fancy dress and some kids enoee— wear fancy dress and some kids enoee to— wear fancy dress and some kids enoee to we— wear fancy dress and some kids chose to wear drag. “3in chose to wear drag. that really wouldn't. i don't think that wouldn't. i don't think that would an issue, would it? would be an issue, would it? no. wouldn't be an issue. no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. but— no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. but tne— no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. but the problem— no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. but the problem is,— no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. but the problem is, is— no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. but the problem is, is that- but the problem is, is that you've this and you think to you've got this and you think to yourself, idea was this? yourself, whose idea was this? and did have this idea? and why did you have this idea? wean.— and why did you have this idea? wean. wnat— and why did you have this idea? yeah, what normal— and why did you have this idea? yeah, what normal person thinks. you know.— yeah, what normal person thinks. you know. t-t— yeah, what normal person thinks. you know. t-tla— yeah, what normal person thinks. you know, i'd a great idea. you know, i'd be a great idea. cntttnen— you know, i'd be a great idea. cntttnen-tn- you know, i'd be a great idea. children-in drag- you know, i'd be a great idea. children in drag and we children dressed in drag and we ttnt— children dressed in drag and we ttntlnawe— children dressed in drag and we ttntlnawe a— children dressed in drag and we kind-have a name— children dressed in drag and we kind have a name for those kind of have a name for those beobte. — kind of have a name for those beobte. ttu— kind of have a name for those people. it's. it's— kind of have a name for those people. . . it's kind of have a name for those people. it's the kind of have a name for those people. . . it's the bbc. people. it's. it's it's the bbc. to— people. it's. it's it's the bbc. to wow.— people. it's. it's it's the bbc. to wow. wow— people. it's. it's it's the bbc. it's wow. wow i— people. . . it's the bbc. it's wow. wow i don't like bee— it's wow. wow i don't like be t— it's wow. wow i don't like because i don't- it's wow. wow i don't like because i don't have a problem wttn— because i don't have a problem wttn tnag— because i don't have a problem wttn tnag. — because i don't have a problem wttn tnag. t— because i don't have a problem with drag. i have— because i don't have a problem with drag. i have a— because i don't have a problem with drag. i have a problem with age. inappropriate drag performances. i think that's the that's the borderline isn't it. that's the thing. yeah, absolutely this is i mean, absolutely. and this is i mean, eoneltne— absolutely. and this is i mean, some-the videos— absolutely. and this is i mean, some .the videos-seen. .tigt and this is i mean, some the videos seen of some of the videos i've seen of tne— some of the videos i've seen of tne-tnat-e— some of the videos i've seen of the-that's been- some of the videos i've seen of the that's been forced on

the stuff that's been forced on obtttnen— the stuff that's been forced on entttnen. you— the stuff that's been forced on children, you know, children betng— children, you know, children betng-to— children, you know, children. being-to-events being dragged to pride events wnten— being dragged to pride events which-actually- being dragged to pride events which actually be know which must actually be know neatty—tnatn- which must actually be know really—train like. which must actually be know really train like if really considered train like if i really considered train like if t wa— really considered train like if t at— really considered train like if t at a— really considered train like if i was at a pride— really considered train like if i was at a pride event and i'm nunntng— i was at a pride event and i'm nunntng aount— i was at a pride event and i'm running around in— i was at a pride event and i'm running around in my bottomless teatnen— running around in my bottomless leather trousers _ running around in my bottomless leather trousers ,_ running around in my bottomless leather trousers , i— running around in my bottomless leather trousers , i don't want leather trousers, i don't want totttene— leather trousers, i don't want toddlers watching me. that's going— toddlers watching me. that's gotng to— toddlers watching me. that's gotng to tnat-e— toddlers watching me. that's going to that's going to cramp my going to that's going to cramp nny etyte. — going to that's going to cramp nny etyte. t— going to that's going to cramp my style. i want— going to that's going to cramp my style. i want i— going to that's going to cramp my style. i want i want to see that there is you and your leather chaps, barney, what do you think? do you do you think there's problem kids there's a problem with kids dressed up in drag? no. you don't care. no. no they sort of don't care. no. no they sort of do they want. but as long do what they want. but as long as sexualised, i think as it's not sexualised, i think that's reasonable you've that's a reasonable also, you've got mean, with all got to think, i mean, with all this with sexualised this stuff with sexualised performances front of performances in front of children, you know, people say, oh, but fine. like look at, oh, but it's fine. like look at, you—unobtenl oh, but it's fine. like look at,j you—unobten te you know, the real problem is ant—enunon- you know, the real problem is and—church or. you know, the real problem isi and—church or this and the catholic church or this ant— and the catholic church or this ant tt-e— and the catholic church or this ant tt-e ute— and the catholic church or this and it's like,-but- and the catholic church or this and it's like, but those and it's like, yeah, but those went— and it's like, yeah, but those went-catholic- and it's like, yeah, but those went catholic church went to the catholic church bee— went to the catholic church because _them i went to the catholic church. because _them access went to the catholic church- because _them access to because that gave them access to entttnen— because that gave them access to entttnen-tet— because that gave them access to children - let them _ because that gave them access to children let them dress up children and let them dress up in children and let them dress up tn-a— children and let them dress up tn-a tong— children and let them dress up in-a long frock- children and let them dress up in a long frock and in basically a long frock and ute— in basically a long frock and ttte eo— in basically a long frock and like so you've— in basically a long frock and like so you've got to look if you-ne— like so you've got to look if you're a, where— like so you've got to look if you're a, where are you going to go-ant— you're a, where are you going to go-ant yue— you're a, where are you going to go and you're you're going go now? and you're you're going to-one— go now? and you're you're going to-one ot— go now? and you're you're going to-one of these— go now? and you're you're going to one of these groups to go to one of these groups tnat— to go to one of these groups tnat an— to go to one of these groups tnat go— to go to one of these groups that can go into— to go to one of these groups that can go into a school, take tnetn— that can go into a school, take their clothes— that can go into a school, take their clothes off— that can go into a school, take their clothes off and simulate sex-children. - their clothes off and simulate sex children. right.

sex in front of children. right. but—eaytng- sex in front of children. right. but—saytng tnat- sex in front of children. right. but-saying that all. but you're not saying that all drag performers are in drag all drag performers are in that category. no, but i'm eaytng— that category. no, but i'm eaytng tney-we— ig no, but i'm saying they've created an environment.— environment. they've created a ute— environment. they've created a noute—bt— environment. they've created a route.-if somebody. route. you know, if somebody ob.— route. you know, if somebody on. t— route. you know, if somebody was. ci .. t:ti t: was. oh, i understand. i understand the point. okay. we're going to get a question from good from bob now. another good name, bob. like bob, should people lose if they try to lose their jobs if they try to stop a robbery ? okay. yeah, stop a robbery? okay. yeah, i was really interested in this. this is a it's a company called lululemon. lululemon. yeah so the ceo made this decision to fire two employees because they called the police while three masked men robbed the store . masked men robbed the store. this is in georgia because they had a company, zero tolerance policy for intervening in robbery. right. that's the reason for firing the workers. so i of it insofar as, so i kind of get it insofar as, you know, maybe the company was saying, look, if you stand up to a robber, might get a robber, then you might get killed. that's then your a robber, then you might get killed.is that's then your a robber, then you might get killed.is on that's then your a robber, then you might get killed.is on our's then your a robber, then you might get killed.is on our hands. your a robber, then you might get killed.is on our hands. sotr a robber, then you might get killed.is on our hands. so we blood is on our hands. so we just this policy. yeah. on just got this policy. yeah. on the other hand, there's this thing america where thing going on in america where basically letting basically they're letting crooks get with everything. get away with everything. yeah, right. when i was right. you know, like when i was in york and i went into this in new york and i went into this store to get some shampoo and it was up, and they told me

was locked up, and they told me because unless the thief steals over it's not over $1,000 worth, it's not counted so the counted as a crime. so the police won't investigate police won't even investigate it. so what the hell is going on there? well, what is going on tnene— there? well, what is going on ten to— there? well, what is going on ten to taw— there? well, what is going on there is law and— .“ti”ti7 well, what is going on there is law and order is tteentte— there is law and order is disentis-and- there is law and order is disentis and as a there is law and order is- disentis-and as a result disentis rating. and as a result of disentis rating. and as a result ot-beobte— disentis rating. and as a result ot-beobte-teet- disentis rating. and as a result of people feel that of that, people then feel that tney— of that, people then feel that tney-to — of that, people then feel that they. do whatever- of that, people then feel that they do whatever want they can do whatever they want ant—woutt - they can do whatever they want ant—woutt youl they can do whatever they want. ant—woutt you pay and they can. why would you pay for and they can. why would you pay ton-bt— and they can. why would you pay ton-tn you— and they can. why would you pay ton-tn you know- and they can. why would you pay for-if you know that- for anything if you know that yue— for anything if you know that ye not— for anything if you know that ye not gotng— for anything if you know that you're not going to face any tbipe— you're not going to face any type ot— you're not going to face any type of criminal— you're not going to face any type of criminal sanctions as tong—stet- type of criminal sanctions as tong—eteat uel long as you don't steal us eonetntng— long as you don't steal us eonetntng ub— long as you don't steal us something up to the up to a tnoueant— something up to the up to a thousand dollars. : thousand dollars. so should leo should they have been fired for trying the robbers? trying to stop the robbers? well, i mean, obviously welljl mean, obviously firing well, i mean, obviously firing tnen—tne- well, i mean, obviously firing them _the police. them for phoning the police on a nobben— them for phoning the police on a robber because— them for phoning the police on a robber because also they bnobabty— robber because also they probably felt— robber because also they probably felt intimidated and robber because also they prolunsafetlt intimidated and robber because also they prolunsafe duringiidated and robber because also they prolunsafe during the ted and robber because also they prolunsafe during the robbery . felt unsafe during the robbery. woboty— felt unsafe during the robbery. woboty-to— felt unsafe during the robbery. nobody-to care- felt unsafe during the robbery. nobody to care about about nobody seems to care about about web— nobody seems to care about about tnetn teettnge— nobody seems to care about about their feelings they're their feelings because they're tney-ne— their feelings because they're tney-ne-ub— their feelings because they're tney-ne-ubtne- their feelings because they're they're up the oppression they're higher up the oppression bynantt— they're higher up the oppression bynantt tnan— they're higher up the oppression pyramid than than the robbers . pyramid than than the robbers. btay. — pyramid than than the robbers. okay. so— pyramid than than the robbers. etay. so t— pyramid than than the robbers. okay. so i mean— pyramid than than the robbers. okay. so i mean ,_ pyramid than than the robbers. okay. so i mean , but how did you okay. so i mean, but how did you neaen— okay. so i mean, but how did you neaen tnat— okay. so i mean, but how did you reach that point— okay. so i mean, but how did you reach that point where the nobbene— reach that point where the robbers are _ reach that point where the robbers are the— reach that point where the robbers are the oppressed ones? wett— robbers are the oppressed ones? wett. yeab— robbers are the oppressed ones? wett. yean. but— robbers are the oppressed ones? well, yeah, but on— robbers are the oppressed ones? well, yeah, but on the other bant— well, yeah, but on the other nant. wett— well, yeah, but on the other hand. well, it's— well, yeah, but on the other hand. well, it's the whole i mean, we saw— hand. well, it's the whole i mean, we saw it- hand. well, it's the whole i mean, we saw it during black bvee— mean, we saw it during black twee batten— mean, we saw it during black lives matter and— mean, we saw it during black lives matter and the antifa note— lives matter and the antifa note ant — lives matter and the antifa riots and stuff.— lives matter and the antifa riots and stuff. people were eaytng— riots and stuff. people were eaytngltne— riots and stuff. people were saying, the looting is saying, no, the looting is tuettttet. — saying, no, the looting is justified. if— saying, no, the looting is justified. if it— saying, no, the looting is justified. if it makes you feel

eate— justified. if it makes you feel eate. bt— justified. if it makes you feel eate. tt bt— justified. if it makes you feel safe, if it makes— justified. if it makes you feel safe, if it makes you feel is eteattng— safe, if it makes you feel is stealing some— safe, if it makes you feel is stealing some trainers you stealing some trainers make you teet— stealing some trainers make you beet-mates— stealing some trainers make you beet-mates you- stealing some trainers make you feel makes you feel as feel safe or makes you feel as if feel safe or makes you feel as tt tney— feel safe or makes you feel as tt tneylwett.— feel safe or makes you feel as if they .well, well,- feel safe or makes you feel as if they well, well, yeah. if they fit well, well, yeah. see— if they fit well, well, yeah. see bt— if they fit well, well, yeah. see tt tney— if they fit well, well, yeah. see if they fit— if they fit well, well, yeah. see if they fit well- if they fit well, well, yeah. see if they fit well and - if they fit well, well, yeah. see if they fit well and you feel comfy and then feel feel comfy and then you feel safer. you people are safer. don't you know people are saying justified because of saying it's justified because of centuries oppression all centuries of oppression and all that stuff. but how does that kind of stuff. but how does enaentng— that kind of stuff. but how does enaentng ub— that kind of stuff. but how does enaentng up a— that kind of stuff. but how does smashing up a branch- that kind of stuff. but how does smashing up a branch of- “t: but how does smashing up a branch of boots netb—yean- help oppressed? ian yeah, exaetty. — help oppressed? ian yeah, exactly. i mean, - help oppressed? ian yeah, exactly. i mean, make exactly. i mean, it doesn't make any—toes- exactly. i mean, it doesn't make any—toes mate- any sense, but it does make bt— any sense, but it does make tt yue— any sense, but it does make sense if you're if— any sense, but it does make sense if you're if you're toottng— sense if you're if you're toottng at— sense if you're if you're looking at it— sense if you're if you're looking at it through the prism of intersection,— looking at it through the prism of intersection, all injustice ant— of intersection, all injustice ant att— of intersection, all injustice and all that— of intersection, all injustice and all that kind of intersection, all injustice- and all that kind-but and all that kind of stuff. but we've, we've had— and all that kind of stuff. but we've, we've had it— and all that kind of stuff. but we've, we've had it in- and all that kind of stuff. but we've, we've had it in london as well. those riots in well. there were those riots in london years ago where they london many years ago where they just stealing and just were stealing stuff and they it was they were pretending it was about some i don't about justice or some i don't know what was about, but know what it was about, but absolutely hammered by know what it was about, but abstpolice. hammered by know what it was about, but abstpolice. i mmered by know what it was about, but abstpolice. i mean, d by know what it was about, but abstpolice. i mean, people by know what it was about, but abstpolice. i mean, people one the police. i mean, people one guy— the police. i mean, people one guy etote— the police. i mean, people one guy etote one— the police. i mean, people one guy stole one. one— ii i mean, people one guy stole one. one guy stole a bag— guy stole one. one guy stole a bag ot— guy stole one. one guy stole a bag of basmati_ guy stole one. one guy stole a bag of basmati rice and went to jail bag of basmati rice and went to tat ton— bag of basmati rice and went to tat ton bt— bag of basmati rice and went to tat ton tt. ant— bag of basmati rice and went to jail for it. and it's— bag of basmati rice and went to jail for it. and it's like, man, of jail for it. and it's like, man, ot att— jail for it. and it's like, man, ot att tne— jail for it. and it's like, man, of all the things— jail for it. and it's like, man, of all the things to steal, you know— of all the things to steal, you know wnat— of all the things to steal, you know wnat t— of all the things to steal, you know what i mean? you're tttenatty— know what i mean? you're literally walking flat literally walking past flat -eeny - literally walking past flat- screen _you - basmati screen tvs and you steal basmati -nat— screen tvs and you steal basmati —nat a— screen tvs and you steal basmati rice.-had a passion- screen tvs and you steal basmati rice. had a passion for rice. yeah, we had a passion for tnttan— rice. yeah, we had a passion for tnttan-nan. - rice. yeah, we had a passion for indian-man. yeah,- indian cooking, man. yeah, wotbtng— indian cooking, man. yeah, nothing wrong with that. all right, going to move on right, we're going to move on we-ye got— right, we're going to move on now. we've got a— right, we're going to move on now. we've got a question from banbana. — now. we've got a question from banbana. bant— now. we've got a question from barbara. barb name. barbara. barb is great name.

twe— barbara. barb is great name. t-ye—goot- barbara. barb is great name.| t-ye—goot i've got so many good names tontgbt— i've got so many good names tontgnt. eo— i've got so many good names tontgnt. to on— i've got so many good names tonight. go on, barbara. should i've got so many good names tonightchildren barbara. should i've got so many good names tonightchildren be 'bara. should i've got so many good names tonightchildren be made should i've got so many good names tonightchildren be made to»uld i've got so many good names tonightchildren be made to learn school children be made to learn about— school children be made to learn about gutt— school children be made to learn about guilt and.— school children be made to learn about guilt and. oh, blimey. okay— about guilt and. oh, blimey. okay-yew.— about guilt and. oh, blimey. okay-yeah, this- about guilt and. oh, blimey. okay yeah, this is this is okay so, yeah, this is this is tolwttn— okay so, yeah, this is this is to.with this— okay so, yeah, this is this is to.with this this- okay so, yeah, this is this is to with this this story. to do with this this story. high eenoot—us- to do with this this story. high school—us are| school students in the us are going— school students in the us are gotnglteann— school students in the us are going learn about the causes going to learn about the causes of going to learn about the causes ot naetat— going to learn about the causes of racial inequality they're of racial inequality and they're going— of racial inequality and they're going-reparations. going to discuss reparations for etaweny. — going to discuss reparations for etaweny. _tne- going to discuss reparations for slavery. the kicker. slavery. but here's the kicker. ttte— slavery. but here's the kicker. tt-e-a— slavery. but here's the kicker. it's-a reparations- slavery. but here's the kicker. it's a reparations maths it's part of a reparations maths eunneuunnt— it's part of a reparations maths curriculum. so— it's part of a reparations maths curriculum. so francis, look, about— should students learn about gutt— should students learn about guttt— - should students learn about guttt— yes-l should students learn abouti guttt— yes. yes guilt as a catholic? yes. yes yes. — guilt as a catholic? yes. yes yes. wett— guilt as a catholic? yes. yes yes. wett. tney— guilt as a catholic? yes. yes yes. well, they do- guilt as a catholic? t/titin t/titin «tilt? well, they do at catholics. yes. well, they do at catholics. wett— yes. well, they do at catholics. wett. t— yes. well, they do at catholics. wett. t went— yes. well, they do at catholics. well, i went to— «tilt? well, they do at catholics. well, i went to catholic school. yeab— well, i went to catholic school. yeah, absolutely.— well, i went to catholic school. yeah, absolutely. was on yeah, absolutely. that was on top— yeah, absolutely. that was on top-curriculum. - yeah, absolutely. that was on top curriculum. top of the curriculum. that tttenatty— top of the curriculum. that literally things on literally was as many things on top us anyway. but we but but top of us anyway. but we but but reparations, maths. look, maths is really boring. yeah, it is . is really boring. yeah, it is. it is tedious. i used to teach it. no one likes it. let's. let's spice it up a bit. isn't it a weird thing— let's spice it up a bit. isn't it a weird thing about- titi . .. . isn't it a weird thing about sort of tntnotuotng— it a weird thing about sort of introducing social justice concerns into— introducing social justice concerns into every aspect of even— concerns into every aspect of eweny etenent— concerns into every aspect of every element of— concerns into every aspect of every element of the curriculum tney— every element of the curriculum tney tntet— every element of the curriculum tney tntet to— every element of the curriculum they tried to do _ every element of the curriculum they tried to do in— every element of the curriculum they tried to do in chemistry as wet.— they tried to do in chemistry as web. wnten— they tried to do in chemistry as web. wnton t— they tried to do in chemistry as well, which i thought was an odd _wnyn- well, which i thought was an odd _wnyn wnyl one. you know why? why? why not? by one. you know why? why? why not? byineane.— one. you know why? why? why not? byineane. tatt— one. you know why? why? why not? by . means, talk about— one. you know why? why? why not? by means, talk about these by all means, talk about these issues. _important- by all means, talk about these issues. important issues issues. they're important issues . a issues. they're important issues .—a get. . history would be a great place toltbat— . history would be a great place toltnat. tttgnt— . history would be a great place to that. right yeah, that to do that. right yeah, that woutt— to do that. right yeah, that would work. _ to do that. right yeah, that would work. 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inflating that reparations inflating hopes that reparations are paid. but i are going to be paid. but i don't think i mean,- gitt “tg t: but i don't think i mean, california, for don't think i mean, california, ton exannte— don't think i mean, california, for example, they've a had for example, they've had a had a boat— for example, they've had a had a boant tnat-e— for example, they've had a had a board that's recommended. you know.— board that's recommended. you know—tnte- know, they appointed this board to-reparations- know, they appointed this board to-reparations and- know, they appointed this board to reparations and the to look into reparations and the boat— to look into reparations and the boant—yean- to look into reparations and the boant—yean. we| board recommended, yeah, we enoutt—tntnti should pay everybody. i think it's should pay everybody. i think tt-e between— should pay everybody. i think it's between i and - should pay everybody. i think it's between and $5 million, it's between 1.2 and $5 million, pav— it's between 1.2 and $5 million, pay-.— it's between 1.2 and $5 million, pay-t everybody- it's between 1.2 and $5 million, pay , everybody who's pay everybody, everybody who's been —etaweny- pay everybody, everybody who's been—etaweny .- pay everybody, everybody who's been _ slavery . so i pay everybody, everybody who's been slavery . so if been affected by slavery. so if you— been affected by slavery. so if you-bowe— been affected by slavery. so if you-prove .you're - you can prove that you're a teeeentet— you can prove that you're a. descended-people you can prove that you're a- descended-people who descended from from people who are descended from from people who ane- tben— descended from from people who ane- tnen. you— descended from from people who are , then, you know, you are slaves, then, you know, you cant— are slaves, then, you know, you cant tutt— are slaves, then, you know, you cant tuet you— are slaves, then, you know, you can't just you can't— are slaves, then, you know, you can't just you can't just watch toots— can't just you can't just watch boots on— can't just you can't just watch boots on bvb— can't just you can't just watch roots on dvd and— can't just you can't just watch roots on dvd and then say, yeah, i roots on dvd and then say, yeah, t want— roots on dvd and then say, yeah, t want too.— roots on dvd and then say, yeah, i want £20. there— roots on dvd and then say, yeah, i want £20. there is— roots on dvd and then say, yeah, i want £20. there is no. but ewoenyne— i want £20. there is no. but eenyone b— i want £20. there is no. but everyone is descended from slaves at some point along the line. well, this is the thing. they— line. well, this is the thing. tney aw— line. well, this is the thing. they saw people— . well, this is the thing. they saw people like you coming, antnew— they saw people like you coming, antnewltney-ne— they saw people like you coming, andrew, they're only doing andrew, and they're only doing it andrew, and they're only doing ttlbeobte— andrew, and they're only doing it people affected by it for people affected by transatlantic _ it for people affected by transatlantic ,- it for people affected by transatlantic , the transatlantic transatlantic, the transatlantic stave— transatlantic, the transatlantic stave-ntgnt. - transatlantic, the transatlantic slave - right. so i transatlantic, the transatlantic. slave-right. so when slave trade. oh, right. so when the english came over to ireland and, you know, messed with my ancestors, about ancestors, no one cares about the irish. this is no one cares. youn— the irish. this is no one cares. you're right. you didn't- ” this is no one cares. /t:itt. ”ti ”g“. you didn't have you're right. you didn't have a potatoes— you're right. you didn't have a botatoee ton— you're right. you didn't have a botatoee ton a— you're right. you didn't have a potatoes for a few— /t:itt. ”ti ” g“. you didn't have a potatoes for a few years. move ttt— potatoes for a few years. move we not— potatoes for a few years. move on. it's not just— potatoes for a few years. move on. it's not just about- potatoes for a few years. move on. it's not just about it's not just about chips. yeah, it's about. it's about the massacre at drogheda. oh, right. come on. wet— at drogheda. oh, right. come on. wet nave— at drogheda. oh, right. come on. wet nave a— at drogheda. oh, right. come on. we'll have a guinness— tg: oh, right. come on. we'll have a guinness and we'll get—my— we'll have a guinness and we'll get—my gootneee. l get over it. oh, my goodness. but— get over it. oh, my goodness.

but-but— get over it. oh, my goodness. but-but you— get over it. oh, my goodness. but-but you can- get over it. oh, my goodness. but but you can look. but look. but you can look. tntnt— but look. but you can look. think about— but look. but you can look. think about it— but look. but you can look. think about it like this, right, john?— think about it like this, right, john? ant— think about it like this, right, john? and lesley. john, miss eentene.— john? and lesley. john, miss genders. lesley— john? and lesley. john, miss genders. lesley three times in the conversation— genders. lesley three times in the conversation .— genders. lesley three times in the conversation . how oppressed the conversation. how oppressed is the conversation. how oppressed te teetey— the conversation. how oppressed te teetey at— the conversation. how oppressed is lesley at the— the conversation. how oppressed is lesley at the end of the day? so is lesley at the end of the day? so tnat-e— is lesley at the end of the day? so tnat-e a— is lesley at the end of the day? so that's a maths— is lesley at the end of the day? so that's a maths question. it's a matte— so that's a maths question. it's a maths question— so that's a maths question. it's a maths question 12. “ti”ti so that's a maths question. it's a maths question 12. “iii gitt a maths question 12. there we go . yeab. ant— a maths question 12. there we go .yeab. ant tt-e— a maths question 12. there we go . yeah. and it's whatever- a maths question 12. ”ti gitt t/tiii and it's whatever you . yeah. and it's whatever you teet— . yeah. and it's whatever you teet. yeat— . yeah. and it's whatever you feel. yeah whatever- t/tiii and it's whatever you feel. yeah whatever you feel, tt-e— feel. yeah whatever you feel, be be — feel. yeah whatever you feel, be be ntgnt— feel. yeah whatever you feel, it's the right answer. t/tiii it's the right answer. yeah, exactty. — it's the right answer. yeah, exactty. so— it's the right answer. yeah, exactty. so t— it's the right answer. yeah, exactly. so i would have passed my maths gcse if we'd have had social justice stuff in it. yeah, exactly. there we go. well look, that's what we got time for here. but after the break on free i'm going free speech nation, i'm going to be by editor of be joined by the editor of spiked online, slater, to spiked online, tom slater, to discuss censorship after discuss film censorship after another failed to another old classic failed to pass taste test. pass the modern day taste test. see a moment.

you're listening to gb news not. you're listening to gb news tatto— not. you're listening to gb news tatto .— radio. welcome radio. - welcome back tatto— welcome back to free tatto — welcome back to free speech baton— welcome back to free speech watton wttn— welcome back to free speech nation with me. _ welcome back to free speech nation with me. '“t: welcome back to free speech nation with me. ' “t: t nation with me. andrew doyle. so it's an issue that pops up from

time to time, whether or not it's acceptable to edit older works of to art, cater for modern sensitivities . eagle eyed modern sensitivities. eagle eyed film fans this week have spotted that two streaming services have cut a famous scene from the oscar winning classic the french connection to remove racial slurs. so here to discuss the rights and wrongs of censoring the classics, please welcome the editor online, editor of spiked online, tom slater, . so this is william slater, who. so this is william friedkin's film , the french friedkin's film, the french connection is considered a classics gene hackman. what have they done to the film? so on these two streaming- �*7 7 so on these two streaming services, apple— these two streaming services, abbte bv— these two streaming services, abbte ty ant— these two streaming services, apple tv and the— these two streaming services, apple tv and the criterion cnannet.— apple tv and the criterion channel, there's a particular ttnt— channel, there's a particular ttnt ot— channel, there's a particular kind of 42nd,— channel, there's a particular kind of 42nd, i— channel, there's a particular kind of 42nd, i believe, segment of kind of 42nd, i believe, segment ot tne— kind of 42nd, i believe, segment ot tne scene— kind of 42nd, i believe, segment of the scene in— kind of 42nd, i believe, segment of the scene in which one of the nanaten— of the scene in which one of the characters, gene— of the scene in which one of the characters, gene hackman's obanaoten— characters, gene hackman's enanaoten. a— characters, gene hackman's character, a kind— characters, gene hackman's character, a kind of hardboiled cop,— character, a kind of hardboiled c0rte-n— character, a kind of hardboiled cob-w wont- character, a kind of hardboiled cob-w wont tn- character, a kind of hardboiled cop, n word in relation cop, uses the n word in relation to a— cop, uses the n word in relation to a tnug— cop, uses the n word in relation to a drug dealer. _ cop, uses the n word in relation to a drug dealer. ti to a drug dealer. he just sort of shaken down. so very much. you understand it within the you can understand it within the context would seem context of the film would seem to sense. not so for these to make sense. not so for these two services. it's two streaming services. it's a bit because one knows bit curious because no one knows why happened. dumas is why this has happened. dumas is actually owned currently by disney, but on disney plus the scene so a lot scene is there intact. so a lot of questions been raised.

of questions have been raised. but the time, given the but at the same time, given the particular were a particular 40s that were cut, a lot are understandably lot of people are understandably concerned we're once again concerned that we're once again seeing that censoring to bring it modern it in line with modern sensibilities. but this is tabettet— sensibilities. but this is labelled-being- sensibilities. but this is labelled-being an. sensibilities. but this is labelled-being an film. labelled as being an adult film. it's labelled as being an adult film. to te— labelled as being an adult film. to te-tt-e— labelled as being an adult film. it's 18-it's not— labelled as being an adult film. it's 18-it's not as- labelled as being an adult film. it's 18 it's not as though it's 18 plus. it's not as though entttnen— it's 18 plus. it's not as though children-going— children are going to accidentally this, children are going to actatentally this, children are going to actat leasty this, children are going to act at least they this, children are going to actat least they shouldn't.this, children are going to act at least they shouldn't. so ., or at least they shouldn't. so ten-t— or at least they shouldn't. so ten-t tt— or at least they shouldn't. so ten-t tt ub— or at least they shouldn't. so ten-t tt up to— or at least they shouldn't. so isn't it up to it— or at least they shouldn't. so isn't it up to it should be up to wewen— isn't it up to it should be up to viewers to _ isn't it up to it should be up to viewers to decide what they wann— to viewers to decide what they want-tney— to viewers to decide what they watch they don't? watch and what they don't? abbotutety. — watch and what they don't? absolutely. _think - watch and what they don't? i absolutely. _think that's absolutely. and i think that's one thing where people when you see cases like this and we should got should say we haven't got a statement side statement from the other side from other side of this yet, from the other side of this yet, even though it does look very suspicious. been suspicious. but there have been many like and many other cases like this. and i think where streaming services are concerned, it is a bit chilling because fact chilling because of the fact that about that we're not talking about them judicious them making some judicious edits. out at 7 edits. they can put it out at 7 pm. or something. yes we're talking about the fact this talking about the fact that this is can is the version that you can access. it's the same access. often it's the same version across multiple streaming this a streaming services. this is a bit unusual. yes. and so the ability for just a few gatekeepers to say this is the acceptable this acceptable version of this particular tv series or particular film or tv series or whatever is quite chilling whatever is quite a chilling one. is of literal one. is there a kind of literal ntntetneee— mindedness going on here as wan — mindedness going on here as wan _tbat- mindedness going on here as well? _that these.

well? the idea that these characters morally characters have to be morally pure isn't there pure or, you know, isn't there something to said for something to be said for characters who aren't, who are quite characters who aren't, who are quhe do characters who aren't, who are quitunpleasant do characters who aren't, who are quitunpleasant things, do characters who aren't, who are quitunpleasant things, shockingo say unpleasant things, shocking things that's things even, you know, that's part it? it is part of drama, isn't it? it is part of drama, isn't it? it is part of drama, isn't it? it is part of drama. and- part of drama, isn't it? it is part of drama. and it's- part of drama. and it's also pari— part of drama. and it's also bat—tntnt- part of drama. and it's alsoi part—think that's part of history. i think that's one-tntnge— part of history. i think that's one things that's one of the things that's tnbontant— one of the things that's important to- one of the things that's important to is one of the things that's important to-is you important to stress, is when you go—tntol go back into the past and into the go back into the past and into tne—antl go back into the past and into. tne—ant etant the kind of film canon and start neeetng— the kind of film canon and start messing around— the kind of film canon and start messing around with things, yue— messing around with things, ye ano— messing around with things, you're also messing around with wnat— what is, in a sense, a bit of a ttnt— what is, in a sense, a bit of a kind-historical— what is, in a sense, a bit of al kind.historical_a kind of historical document, a enabenot— kind of historical document, ai enabenot—ntgnt snapshot of what people might nave— snapshot of what people mighti have—particular have been like at the particular tne— have been like at the particular ttne tnat— have been like at the particular ttne tnat tt— have been like at the particular time that it was— have been like at the particular time that it was made or tentetet— time that it was made or depicted. or— time that it was made or depicted. or we saw time that it was made or depicted. or we-saw 2020 depicted. or we also saw in 2020 wnen—ot— depicted. or we also saw in 2020 wnen—otitne- depicted. or we also saw in 2020 when_of.the kind| depicted. or we also saw in 2020 wiblack-of.the kind| depicted. or we also saw in 2020 wiblack lives of the kind depicted. or we also saw in 2020 wiblack lives of protests nd of black lives matter protests ant— of black lives matter protests ant-on.— of black lives matter protests antlon. btntn— of black lives matter protests and-on, birth-a- of black lives matter protests and on, birth a nation, and so on, birth of a nation, ow.— and so on, birth of a nation, b.w.-etaeeto- and so on, birth of a nation, d.w. classic classic d.w. griffith's classic classic tttn — d.w. griffith's classic classici tttn _tnon film being pulled down from etneantng— film being pulled down from 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you in many respects, but you can nave— in many respects, but you can nave two— in many respects, but you can have two things— in many respects, but you can have two things at same have two things at the same ttne. — have two things at the same ttne. _tel have two things at the same- time._is because time. and the problem is because of time. and the problem is because ot—ae- of this literal mindedness as you— of this literal mindedness as you tatt— of this literal mindedness as you talk about,— of this literal mindedness as you talk about, we've kind of tnnown— you talk about, we've kind ofi thrown—nuance you talk about, we've kind ofi thr0'an_nuance you talk about, we've kind of throan audience nuance you talk about, we've kind of throan audience understand and an audience can understand tnn—we- this is a different time. we ton-t—tbtnge- this is a different time. we| don't—things like don't approve of things like that mean, i can that now. i mean, i can understand would be understand why people would be upset terminology. upset by certain terminology. you can you know, racial epithets can be upsetting hearing upsetting just by hearing them. but are able to but adults are able to understand the context, right? i mean, example would mean, an example i would give is when huckleberry finn was republished without any racial

epithets in it. of course, epithets in it. but of course, it's anti—racist book. and it's an anti—racist book. and part reason for having part of the reason for having the epithets is it makes a judgement against the people who are them completely. are using them. no, completely. ant— are using them. no, completely. and—different. and there's so many different exanbtee—youl and there's so many different- examples_you need examples of that where you need to ue— examples of that where you need to use incredibly— examples of that where you need to use incredibly coarse tanguage— to use incredibly coarse language. you need depict the language. you need to depict the tntng—natttng- thing that you're railing agatnet— thing that you're railing against-that- thing that you're railing against. that should against. yes, that should be obytoue— against. yes, that should be obvious—and- against. yes, that should be obvious—and yet| against. yes, that should be- obvious_and yet that obvious to anyone. and yet that abbanentty— obvious to anyone. and yet that abbaentty ten-t— obvious to anyone. and yet that apparently isn't even necessarily-. apparently isn't even. necessarily-. or apparently isn't even- necessarily-. or at apparently isn't even— necessarily-. or at least necessarily allowed. or at least there-s— necessarily allowed. or at least there's - sensitivity - necessarily allowed. or at least there's sensitivity around there's this sensitivity around it there's this sensitivity around n—not— there's this sensitivity around n—not any- there's this sensitivity around n—not any ifs- there's this sensitivity around| it_not any it's not it and there's not any it's not as it and there's not any it's not hone-sly— it and there's not any it's not as anyone's drawn up any hard as if anyone's drawn up any hard and— as if anyone's drawn up any hard and-rules— as if anyone's drawn up any hard and-rules-how- as if anyone's drawn up any hard and-rules-how to- as if anyone's drawn up any hard and rules how to deal and fast rules about how to deal wm.— and fast rules about how to deal with-yet. — and fast rules about how to deal with-yet. but— and fast rules about how to deal with .yet. but-can- and fast rules about how to deal with yet. but can tell with this yet. but you can tell there-s— with this yet. but you can tell there-s that— with this yet. but you can tell there's that nervousness. and often— often this cack handed censorship,— censorship, which happens as a consequence of that and you see it consequence of that and you see n-wnh— consequence of that and you see it-with streaming- consequence of that and you see it with streaming services it a lot with streaming services form-— it a lot with streaming services for-some reason,- for some for some reason, particular— particular with comedy as well. it's particular with comedy as well. its-movies.— particular with comedy as well. it's-movies.lmean,- it's not just movies. i mean, i've quite a lot of the i've seen quite a lot of the warnings on like gone warnings on things like gone with wind or whatever with the wind or whatever the film says film might be that says this thing might upset you or dumbo, i another peter i think was another dumbo. peter pan. really? what's pan. peter pan. really? what's so upsetting pan so upsetting about peter pan depictions of native american people ? so this was on the people? so this was on the disney— people? so this was on the disney nus— people? so this was on the disney plus disney- , so this was on the disney plus disney plus have got a-rap_ disney plus disney plus have got n-nn unn— disney plus disney plus have got n-nn usn winn- disney plus disney plus have got a-rap list with this,- a very long rap list with this, nnnn— a very long rap list with this, nnnn n— a very long rap list with this, which is quite— a very long rap list with this, which is quite interesting, one of which is quite interesting, one on-nns— which is quite interesting, one on-nns n— which is quite interesting, one of was a documentary which is quite interesting, one ofclimbervas a documentary which is quite interesting, one ofclimber because :umentary which is quite interesting, one ofclimber because heientary which is quite interesting, one ofclimber because he usedy a climber because he used the f nonn— a climber because he used the f worn—nney- a climber because he used the f word _they took. a climber because he used the f word _they took iti word in one scene. they took it down— word in one scene. they took it down, - removed - word in one scene. they took it down,-removed the- word in one scene. they took it down, removed the simpsons down, they removed the simpsons episode—michael-

episode that featured michael jackson—n- jackson just because it had nnnnet— jackson just because it had michael jackson in it. so tney-n— michael jackson in it. so nney-n just— michael jackson in it. so they're just making these they're just making up these nnngs— they're just making up these. nnngs—weu. things as they go along. well, than-s— things as they go along. well, that's-problem— things as they go along. well, that's-problem is- things as they go along. well, that's problem is there are that's the problem is there are people companies people at these companies deciding what best you deciding what is best for you and watch . right. that's and i to watch. right. that's it's kind of it's a paternalistic kind of thing. and what worries me as neu— thing. and what worries me as wen-nann— thing. and what worries me as well-fact that— thing. and what worries me as well-fact that you- q and what worries me as well fact that you often well is the fact that you often see—on- well is the fact that you often i see—of consolidate see a lot of kind of consolidate going— see a lot of kind of consolidate going-in— see a lot of kind of consolidate going-in nnese— see a lot of kind of consolidate going-in these big- see a lot of kind of consolidate going in these big media going on in these big media sane-es— going on in these big media spaces-nas- spaces. so disney plus, you knew,— spaces. so disney plus, you knowlenns— spaces. so disney plus, you know, owns called the know, it owns it's called the sea—naaen- know, it owns it's called thei sea—naaen an star wars stuff. it bought up man— star wars stuff. it bought up zen—nan,- 20th century fox us now, obviously— 20th century fox us now, obviously .the - 20th century fox us now, obviously the moment 20th century fox us now, obviously-the moment can obviously at the moment you can access—mm...- access these things through a nna— access these things through a nine en— access these things through a nine of-y0._ access these things through a kind of-you can- access these things through a kind of you can find a kind of usually you can find a nun— kind of usually you can find a film-multiple— film on multiple streaming services— film on multiple streaming- services—wens services and so on, but it won't necessarily— services and so on, but it won't necessarily always— services and so on, but it won't necessarily always be the case. ana— necessarily always be the case. and given— necessarily always be the case. and given .fact_ necessarily always be the case. and given fact that we are and given the fact that we are often — often moving towards a kind of pass— often moving towards a kind of post-copies- often moving towards a kind of post-copieslthingsl post physical copies of things nna— post physical copies of things nine-yes— post physical copies of things nine-yes yea- post physical copies of things kind-yes, you are- post physical copies of things kind yes, you are in a kind of era, yes, you are in a situation— situation where whichever- version—service version that particular service nas— version that particular service nas as— version that particular service nas is fan— version that particular service has is for all— version that particular service has is for all intensive purposes— has is for all intensive- purposes,-version purposes, the only version yea-e— purposes, the only version yea-e gang— purposes, the only version you're going and that purposes, the only version- you're going-and that is you're going to get. and that is a_whyl a worrying thing, which why maybe— a worrying thing, which why. maybe—buying maybe you start to start buying up nose— maybe you start to start buying up those physical— maybe you start to start buying up those physical copies. vania up those physical copies. well, i up those physical copies. well, n—anan— up those physical copies. well, n—anan yea- up those physical copies. well, i_that, you know,| i was thinking that, you know, we've spoken this before we've spoken on this show before about that the streaming towers that on the bbc streaming service removes an entire service that removes an entire scene with character , the scene with the character, the major, cleese and major, even though cleese and booth were mocking the major for using racial slurs . that's why using racial slurs. that's why he uses them. so to remove that

entire scene, it presupposes that we won't get the joke , that we won't get the joke, doesn't it? i think i think anaes— doesn't it? i think i think that's exactly— doesn't it? i think i think that's exactly it.- : c fl i think i think that's exactly it. and it points to that's exactly it. and it points as ne— that's exactly it. and it points as anne— that's exactly it. and it points to one thing that— that's exactly it. and it points to one thing that underlines all of to one thing that underlines all an anese— to one thing that underlines all of these things,— to one thing that underlines all of these things, always underlines— of these things, always underlines is underlines censorship, which is eennennn— underlines censorship, which is contempt nen— underlines censorship, which is contempt for the— underlines censorship, which is contempt for the audience. infantilization_ contempt for the audience. infantilization the audience, infantilization of the audience, an nannie— infantilization of the audience, an inability to— infantilization of the audience, an inability to give them enough leeway— an inability to give them enough leeway ne— an inability to give them enough aeenay as say— an inability to give them enough leeway to say they'll understand this leeway to say they'll understand ans an— leeway to say they'll understand this in context.— leeway to say they'll understand this in context. they won't anne— this in context. they won't nnnk anat— this in context. they won't think that we,— this in context. they won't think that we, as the bbc or unn— think that we, as the bbc or any ae— think that we, as the bbc or uktv are endorsing this. they're proj'ecting— uktv are endorsing this. they're prey-easing snea— uktv are endorsing this. they're projecting their own literal mindedness— projecting their own literal mindedness onto everyone else in many— mindedness onto everyone else in many respects.— mindedness onto everyone else in many nesneeas. ana— mindedness onto everyone else in many respects. and i think anaes— many respects. and i think nnan-s ne— many respects. and i think that's one thing you see in all of that's one thing you see in all an anese— that's one thing you see in all of these cases— that's one thing you see in all of these cases censorship, of these cases of censorship, nnaen— of these cases of censorship, nnaen en— of these cases of censorship, which on - hand - of these cases of censorship, which on hand chilling, but which on one hand chilling, but ase— which on one hand chilling, but ass-en— which on one hand chilling, but also-of ridiculous.- which on one hand chilling, but also of ridiculous. they which on one hand chilling, but also think ridiculous. they which on one hand chilling, but also think ridiexistence they really think the existence of nnae— really think the existence of nan—ene - really think the existence of that—the major. really think the existence of that the major is that scene with the major is going— that scene with the major is gang-senate— that scene with the major is going single handedly lead to going to single handedly lead to sane-aest— going to single handedly lead to some racist upsurge in a some sort of racist upsurge in a country— country? of course citizen? wen. — country? of course citizen? wen. -a— country? of course citizen? well, _a class- country? of course citizen? i well,-a class element country? of course citizen? i wethis - a class element country? of course citizen? i wethis as-a class element country? of course citizen? wethis as well? class element country? of course citizen? wethis as well? becausenment country? of course citizen? wethis as well? because allnt country? of course citizen? wethis as well? because all of to this as well? because all of these to be these things seem to be affecting mostly streaming services, , what you'd call services, tv, what you'd call popular culture . they haven't popular culture. they haven't really gone quite yet for the high arts, we? so if you high arts, have we? so if you take the merchant venice high arts, have we? so if you t.the the merchant venice high arts, have we? so if you t.the character/ierchant venice high arts, have we? so if you t.the character ofchant venice high arts, have we? so if you t.the character of shylock, venice high arts, have we? so if you t.the character of shylock, the ce , the character of shylock, the depiction of shylock in that i think undeniably think is undeniably anti—semitic. haven't seen anti—semitic. i haven't seen productions of that. shakespeare play, you know, curbed as a

result of that because i think they they assume the audience will get that written 400 will get that it was written 400 years ago. no, i think that's ngnn — years ago. no, i think that's ngnn ana— years ago. no, i think that's ngnn ann i— years ago. no, i think that's right. and i think— 3 no, i think that's right. and i think they also assume of assume that the audience is of a eenan— assume that the audience is of a eenan-nnen- assume that the audience is of a certain _their minds,- certain calibre in their minds, at certain calibre in their minds, an—a— certain calibre in their minds, an—a snennenyl at least there's a snobbery snee— at least there's a snobbery mere-as— at least there's a snobbery there, is suggest at least there's a snobbery- there,-is.suggest they there, which is to suggest they win— there, which is to suggest they will understand— there, which is to suggest they will understand context, will understand it in context, because— because they're good, well—read, well—educated _ because they're good, well—read, well—educated people who are going— well—educated people who are going shakespeare. going to see shakespeare. wneneas— going to see shakespeare. whereas someone going to see shakespeare. - whereas-someone who's whereas if there's someone who's just whereas if there's someone who's ease—a— whereas if there's someone who's ease—a streaming. just flicking on to a streaming service,— just flicking on to a streaming service—anl service, trying to look at an eta— service, trying to look at ani eta—nney old sitcom or whatever, they can-n— old sitcom or whatever, they can't—there's- can't be trusted. there's definitely— definitely a strong undercurrent. �* definitely a strong undercurrent. does problem undercurrent. does the problem here universities? here start in universities? there's that have there's a lot of texts that have been trigger been slapped with trigger warnings saying you know, warnings saying that, you know, you and you you might read this and you might this. that might get upset by this. is that sort this culture sort of cultivating this culture whereby we ultimately up whereby we ultimately end up with you with a situation where, you know, all these know, we have all these gatekeepers can know, we have all these gatecannot; can know, we have all these gatecannot even can know, we have all these gatecannot even read. i can know, we have all these gatecannot even read. i think can and cannot even read. i think that's such and cannot even read. i think nnan-s seen a— and cannot even read. i think that's such a good— a“: f : ithink that's such a good point because the that's such a good point because nne nasa— that's such a good point because nne ease nnan — that's such a good point because the fact that, .know, - the fact that, you know, a few yeas— the fact that, you know, a few years-nnen — the fact that, you know, a few years-nnen yea- the fact that, you know, a few years when you saw a lot of years ago when you saw a lot of the years ago when you saw a lot of ene-insane— years ago when you saw a lot of the-insane kind- years ago when you saw a lot of the insane kind woke the kind of insane kind of woke pauses— the kind of insane kind of woke nenenes-nneeen— the kind of insane kind of woke policies trigger warnings on universities trigger warnings on all universities trigger warnings on au-nexns— universities trigger warnings on ate-nests .— universities trigger warnings on all texts , including universities trigger warnings on all high texts , including universities trigger warnings on all high te1textsncluding universities trigger warnings on all high te1texts andjing universities trigger warnings on all high te1texts and many many high art texts and many strange— many high art texts and many strange _everyonel many high art texts and many strarall-everyonel many high art texts and many strar all of everyone many high art texts and many strar all of this everyone many high art texts and many strarall of this is everyone many high art texts and many strarall of this is ridiculous, said all of this is ridiculous, nan— said all of this is ridiculous, but-culture— said all of this is ridiculous, but culture that's but it's a culture that's eennnea— but it's a culture that's confined to— but it's a culture that's confined to the university eannasn — confined to the university campus. .quite- confined to the university campus. quite clear that we campus. it's quite clear that we all campus. it's quite clear that we au—eannas- campus. it's quite clear that we all—campus now.- all live on that campus now. nnese— all live on that campus now. nose—gene.- all live on that campus now. - those _gone. they've those people have gone. they've staffed— those people have gone. they've staffed _ different. staffed these various different

serpenanens. — corporations. also these corporations, _ corporations. also these corporations, the older people at corporations, the older people an anese — corporations, the older people at these companies are quite seared— at these companies are quite scared .these_ at these companies are quite scared these younger intake. scared of these younger intake. they— they feel that they've got the mana— they feel that they've got the moral-se - moral authority. so unfortunately, that kind of mad nana— unfortunately, that kind of mad wane-ne— unfortunately, that kind of mad world-we might- unfortunately, that kind of mad world we might have looked world that we might have looked at world that we might have looked an—a— world that we might have looked an—a nen- world that we might have looked an—a new years- at from a distance a few years ago— at from a distance a few years age-american- at from a distance a few years ago american campuses ago on elite american campuses is ago on elite american campuses as-naen— ago on elite american campuses as-naen ane— ago on elite american campuses as-naen nne ne- ago on elite american campuses is much the one that is now very much the one that were-n— is now very much the one that were-n anne- is now very much the one that we're-i think my- we're living in. i think my favourite— we're living in. i think my favourite was— we're living in. i think my favourite was the university nnae— favourite was the university nnan-nneeen- favourite was the university that trigger warning that put a trigger warning on the that put a trigger warning on- ene—saying the old man and the sea, saying it the old man and the sea, saying n—en— the old man and the sea, saying n—en graphic- it contains scenes of graphic phishing- — it contains scenes of graphic phishing- .sa- it contains scenes of graphic phishing- .sa a- it contains scenes of graphic phishing. it contains scenes of graphic- phishing. .so a lot to think phishing. agh. so a lot to think about slater, thanks about there. tom slater, thanks so joining tonight. so much for joining me tonight. really . so after really appreciate it. so after the break on free speech nation, we're going to be attempting to answer one the oldest answer one of the oldest questions around is there such a thing ghosts ? but you don't thing as ghosts? but you don't want to miss that .

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welcome back to free speech nanen. — welcome back to free speech nanen. sa— welcome back to free speech nanen. so a— welcome back to free speech nation. g nation. so a spooky segment now to send some shivers up the spines of my studio audience, the host of tv series most haunted, yvette fielding insists that ghosts are the real deal . that ghosts are the real deal. now, if you need a most haunted refresher , here did you refresher, here you go. did you make a noise then, with your voice ? what the. what was that? voice? what the. what was that? do you mean as harm? are you connected to this sarcophagus? listen. listen . it came listen. listen to that. it came nen— listen. listen to that. it came nan-nee. — listen. listen to that. it came from-here. the- listen. listen to that. it came. from .here. the atmosphere from over here. the atmosphere down here, you can literally cut with a knife. what is that behind you? i don't know where that's from. you're that's coming from. you're attached-this— that's coming from. you're attached-this .- that's coming from. you're attached-this . is- that's coming from. you're attached .this . is this. to" g you're attached this . is this you attached to this. is this you guys— attached to this. is this you guys ? _ attached to this. is this you guys e ann— attached to this. is this you gayse ans ..— attached to this. is this you guys ? " attached to this. is this you- guys ? this is incredible , right? guys? this is incredible, right? what was that ? very— guys? " f: ” q7 what was that ? very sorry. what was that? very sorry. something-s— what was that? very sorry. something's just— what was that? very sorry. something's just grabbed my coat. something just grabbed my coat. something just grabbed my coat. something just grabbed my coat . so this coat. something just grabbed my coat. so this is a debate i've been— coat. so this is a debate i've been wanting— coat. so this is a debate i've been wanting to— f so this is a debate i've been wanting to have for a nnae— been wanting to have for a nnne. enn— been wanting to have for a while. our ghosts and supernatural- while. our ghosts and supernatural forces real. i'm delighted— supernatural forces real. i'm aengnaea ne— supernatural forces real. i'm delighted to say. yvette joins ne— delighted to say. yvette joins me now , along— delighted to say. yvette joins me now , along with broadcaster me now, along with broadcaster eaenn— me now, along with broadcaster eaenn nann— me now, along with broadcaster eaenn nann .— me now, along with broadcaster glenn hunt , who,— me now, along with broadcaster glenn hunt, who, of me now, along with broadcaster glenn hunt , who, of course, says glenn hunt, who, of course, says anene-s— glenn hunt, who, of course, says there's absolutely— glenn hunt, who, of course, says there's absolutely no scientific proof— there's absolutely no scientific proof—welcome. there's absolutely no scientific. proof—welcome both proof whatsoever. welcome both to proof whatsoever. welcome both as ane— proof whatsoever. welcome both as nne snow— proof whatsoever. welcome both as nne snen .— proof whatsoever. welcome both to the show . yvette, i want to

to the show. yvette, i want to ne— to the show. yvette, i want to so yea— to the show. yvette, i want to come to you first,— to the show. yvette, i want to come to you first, if you don't nine.— come to you first, if you don't nana- wnen— come to you first, if you don't mind. when you— come to you first, if you don't mind. when you got involved in nest— mind. when you got involved in most haunted— mind. when you got involved in most haunted was— mind. when you got involved in most haunted was this because yea— most haunted was this because were you a sceptic— most haunted was this because were you a sceptic at that panne— were you a sceptic at that nanan-anat- were you a sceptic at that point?-that the- were you a sceptic at that. point?-that the-has point? is it that the show has ssnnnsea— point? is it that the show has convinced-ghosts. convinced you that ghosts exist, or convinced you that ghosts exist, sen-yea— convinced you that ghosts exist, sn-ysa aways— convinced you that ghosts exist, or you always believe that or did you always believe that tney— or did you always believe that eney naa— or did you always believe that aney nae e — or did you always believe that they had .7 well,— or did you always believe that they had ? ennis �*" or did you always believe that they had ? kwanzaa �*" they had? well, firstly, i want to thank you very much for to say thank you very much for having me the show . so to say thank you very much for having me the show. so and having me on the show. so and yes, i first started 25 yes, when i first started 25 years ago, i was not really sure and a bit sceptical about the whole thing. and i was i was quite frightened about it really . um, and after , after, oh my . um, and after, after, oh my goodness. starting the show. 25 years of paranormal investigation means investigating locations around the world. i have seen and heard things that's completely changed my mind that no , no rational my mind that no, no rational explanation even, you know, there isn't one. and for me it's completely changed my life. i'm no longer scared of death and i really want to try and push that message out to people that have lost loved ones is that there is

life after death . and we started life after death. and we started most haunted experience where people can when people say, oh, most haunted is fake, you know, it's all rubbish. i say, well, actually, come on board and come with the you can with me in the crew. you can choose a location anywhere around the country for around the country and see for yourself. don't make a judgement until yourself . and until you see for yourself. and we've running years we've been running for six years now events and now doing these events and changing people's minds, which i think is fantastic. we've had members police, had members of the police, we've had members of the police, we've had members forces join members of the police, we've had me politicians forces join members of the police, we've had me politicians . forces join members of the police, we've had me politicians . we've forces join members of the police, we've had me politicians . we've had :es join us, politicians. we've had people love it and they come along and go, oh my god, this is amazing. and they come along again. so that for me is the most important thing, is just opening people's eyes it. but opening people's eyes to it. but i say seeing is i always say seeing is believing. we expect believing. how can we expect anybody to believe anything thing unless they experience something for themselves ? well, something for themselves? well, let me bring glenn in on- g 7 well, let me bring glenn in on that very— let me bring glenn in on that very nann— let me bring glenn in on that very pane. vea— let me bring glenn in on that very point. you know, so when i near— very point. you know, so when i near yeas— very point. you know, so when i was four years old, _ very point. you know, so when i was four years old, i saw a gnssn — was four years old, i saw a gnssn .— was four years old, i saw a gnssn n san— was four years old, i saw a ghost. i can still- was four years old, i saw a ghost. i can still remember what it ghost. i can still remember what in teens— ghost. i can still remember what in teens une- — ghost. i can still remember what it looks like. was— ghost. i can still remember what it looks like. was i— ghost. i can still remember what it looks like. was i just imagining— it looks like. was i just imagining that or is it is there senennne— imagining that or is it is there something out— imagining that or is it is there something out there? it's quite

likely— something out there? it's quite likely yea— something out there? it's quite likely you wee— something out there? it's quite likely you were imagining it. ran — likely you were imagining it. ran swe— likely you were imagining it. i'm sure when— likely you were imagining it. i'm sure when i— likely you were imagining it. i'm sure when i was- likely you were imagining it. i'm sure when i was a- likely you were imagining it. i'm sure when i was a young lad in the darkness of my own bedroom and, you know, it was it was getting dark and the lights were off and you see silhouettes . it's the mind playing, were off and you see silhouettes . it's the mind playing , playing . it's the mind playing, playing tncks . it's the mind playing, playing tricks on you. ultimately nine times out of ten, you can explain away what you would call paranormal phenomena . that said, paranormal phenomena. that said, the question shouldn't be necessarily are ghosts real? but what you define to be a ghost. but all of these examples that yvette has given the many, many things that she's seen over the years, it can't be the case, can it, that all of those examples have been just her imagination or some other circumstance ? no, or some other circumstance? no, you are right about that. - or some other circumstance? no, you are right about that. and anat— you are right about that. and was ..— you are right about that. and was as wny— you are right about that. and was as why. if— you are right about that. and that is why, if you— you are right about that. and that is why, if you notice there, i did say nine times out of ten, because is that one time things will happen and there is genuinely no logical explanation for them. and i say that because i am, as yvette will tell you, a member of the most haunted team, and i'm the sceptic on the

program and i have experienced my fair share of paranormal phenomena, but i'm always quick to put my hand up and say if there's no logical explanation for it, then it is indeed paranormal. but a lot of things can be rationally explained away . it'sjust can be rationally explained away . it's just that the psyche of going into a location which is deemed to be haunted , your mind deemed to be haunted, your mind works and you just works over time and you just assume that anything at creaky assume that anything at a creaky floorboard door closing in floorboard or a door closing in the might be paranormal. the wind might be paranormal. but isn't necessarily but it isn't necessarily the case. can i ask you about case. yvette can i ask you about that? is there a risk that when we-nnsw— that? is there a risk that when we-nnsw nne — $17 is there a risk that when we know the explanation we don't know the explanation for we don't know the explanation new meaning,— we don't know the explanation for something, we— we don't know the explanation for something, we reach these ease — for something, we reach these false conclusions? because just wease— false conclusions? because just nesawse-asn-n— false conclusions? because just because-isn't an- false conclusions? because just because isn't an obvious because there isn't an obvious explanation— explanation doesn't automatically mean, does it, nnae— automatically mean, does it, nnan ane— automatically mean, does it, that the supernatural is the any— that the supernatural is the only explanation ? mi“ that the supernatural is the only explanation ? no ' cains only explanation? no, absolutely right . and any good paranormal right. and any good paranormal investigator will tell you that if you can't find an answer for something, don't you know you don't just jump to, oh, it's a ghost. oh, it's paranormal. there could be many other reasons. at the end of the day, we investigate, investigate we investigate, we investigate location ones where we've not spent , you know, two weeks

spent, you know, two weeks living there , sleeping there. so living there, sleeping there. so we don't know sounds that we don't know the sounds that the building make. we don't the building will make. we don't know you you there know. you know. you know, there might be an old man that walks through the village naked at 3:00 in the morning. we don't know know, you've know that, you know, so you've really got to know the building. you've got to know your surroundings. got know surroundings. you've got to know all the sounds and every everything about that place that you're investigate seeing. and so only if you see so when you only if you see something right in front of your face and i have many, many times and as you were saying, andrew, you've something yourself. you've seen something yourself. ihave you've seen something yourself. i have seen, i think for well, the first manifestation i saw, three of us saw it at the same time. one person was a parapsychologist who was a cynic. and we three of us saw a pair of legs walking up their own up the stairs of the theatre, royal drury lane and we were spending the night there and it was the most craziest thing i've ever seen in my life because there were just a pair of legs walking on their own up

these stairs. and i've seen solid manifestations of a tall, tall man with a bald head. i could describe him very clearly, very tall man in a hospital, and he just peeked round a column, a pillar, and then peep back and you know, when you've seen it, you're not crazy. you're not hallucinating. it's not some sort of form of sleep paralysis . and it's what's so amazing is when more than one of you is seeing the same thing, you know , the whole cast going back to the drury lane theatre, the whole cast, i've forgotten the name of the production, but i think 20 odd cast members were having a photo call on the stage and they all saw what is one of the most famous ghosts in theatre land called the man in grey. and they all saw him walking with his tricks and hat his grey coat solid, walking across the circle in through a wall. years later, they actually

did some excuse ovation and they were really doing the building and some building works and they actually dug through that part of the wall where this ghost was disappearing through. and they found human remains with a daggerin found human remains with a dagger in his in his ribs and nobody knows really this sort of suspicions about who it could be. but they believe that it was two actors. they had a fight and one actor stabbed the other. but why? the body was hidden behind the wall. we don't know. and is this the ghost of the grey man? but fascinating to me that but it's fascinating to me that more than one person saw it a whole cast stood on the stage and saw it. and this happens. so many times. and when scientists and excuse me, glenn, but when you say, oh, well, you know, it's not paranoid. it's not we're not mad. it's not paranoid. it's not we're not mad . some of the some we're not mad. some of the some of the most amazing minds in the world were spiritualists and believed in life after death. thomas edison . john logie believed in life after death. thomas edison .john logie baird, thomas edison. john logie baird, who invented the television camera. he was a spiritualist.

in fact, he believed in it so much that he thought that thomas edison was sending him messages from beyond the grave to help him construct the very first television camera . and, you television camera. and, you know, einstein energy cannot die. so all these amazing people , they're not mad. what's going on here. and millions of people around the world have got the most amazing stories to tell. and i'm sure people watching now and listening will tell you the same thing . do you have same thing. do you have experience? do you ever feel anat— experience? do you ever feel nnan maybe— experience? do you ever feel that maybe there's- experience? do you ever feel that maybe there's a- nz;“nt.n:i;7’ do you ever feel that maybe there's a risk of neanng— that maybe there's a risk of nsanne e— that maybe there's a risk of hoaxing ? for— that maybe there's a risk of hoaxing ? for instance, i just hoaxing? for instance, i just wann— hoaxing? for instance, i just want as— hoaxing? for instance, i just want as ask— hoaxing? for instance, i just want to ask glenn about that wease— want to ask glenn about thati because—examples because we've seen examples wnene— because we've seen examples wnene wnene— because we've seen examples where where people have hoaxed people.— where where people have hoaxed people-iwas— where where people have hoaxed people. was reading about the people. i was reading about the nnneaa— people. i was reading about the enfield-from - people. i was reading about the enfield-from the- people. i was reading about the enfield from the 1970s, enfield haunting from the 1970s, and-was— enfield haunting from the 1970s, and-was testimony- enfield haunting from the 1970s, and was testimony that the and there was testimony that the sins— and there was testimony that the sins naa— and there was testimony that the gins nae been— and there was testimony that the girls had been bending the spns— girls had been bending the spoons knocking girls had been bending the spoons-knocking walls spoons and knocking on the walls and wines— spoons and knocking on the walls and annes wne— spoons and knocking on the walls and things like that. so isn't anat— and things like that. so isn't snap aways— and things like that. so isn't snap aways a— and things like that. so isn't that always a possibility, eaenne— that always a possibility,- glenn?_mindful glenn? shouldn't we be mindful of glenn? shouldn't we be mindful an we — glenn? shouldn't we be mindful an ne of— glenn? shouldn't we be mindful of it? of course,— glenn? shouldn't we be mindful of it? of course, you- glenn? shouldn't we be mindful of it? f : of it? of course, you should always be mindful of that kind of thing. ultimately, you're always be mindful of that kind ofyou're ultimately, you're always be mindful of that kind ofyou're watching.y, you're always be mindful of that kind ofyou're watching something on if you're watching something on online, see some viral

online, you might see some viral videos go around where people say that their kitchens are haunted if look closely haunted. and if you look closely enough, might some enough, you might see some fishing something fishing wire or something pulling over you pulling a broomstick over you can't necessarily rely on on what you're seeing. and ultimately , with most haunted, ultimately, with most haunted, i'm fully aware that when we're investigating, investigating a location that all viewers have got is our word for it. but i can sceptically say that when i've experienced something that i've experienced something that i can't rationally explain away, it's a genuine piece of paranormal phenomena . but the paranormal phenomena. but the question then is what really is it? what is going on there? how is it doing, what it's doing ? is it doing, what it's doing? because. okay, glenn, can i ask you— because. okay, glenn, can i ask yaw nave— because. okay, glenn, can i ask yaw nave nave— f okay, glenn, can i ask you have have scientists glenn, .— you have have scientists glenn, i ask— you have have scientists glenn, i ask yaw— you have have scientists glenn, i ask yaw n— you have have scientists glenn, can i ask you if scientists got any— can i ask you if scientists got any nna— can i ask you if scientists got any kind an— can i ask you if scientists got any kind of explanation for the wna— any kind of explanation for the wins an— any kind of explanation for the kind of phenomenon that yvette was kind of phenomenon that yvette pass— kind of phenomenon that yvette was just describing where multiple— was just describing where multiple - get i was just describing where multiple get that was just describing where. multiple-get that . was just describing where- multiple-get that . the multiple people. i get that. the anne— multiple people. i get that. the anne n— multiple people. i get that. the anne a saw— multiple people. i get that. the thing i saw when— multiple people. i get that. the thing i saw when i— multiple people. i get that. the thing i saw when i was was thing i saw when i was four was pnapapay— thing i saw when i was four was pnapapay pass— thing i saw when i was four was probably just mind . i was probably just my mind. i was taking— probably just my mind. i was taking mushrooms or taking magic mushrooms or sanennnp— taking magic mushrooms ori sanennnp—yaw something. but like, do you anna— something. but like, do you annk snap— something. but like, do you think that it's— something. but like, do you think that it's possible for a sauesnwe— think that it's possible for a collective group— think that it's possible for a collective group of people to nave— collective group of people to nave a— collective group of people to nawe a graspe— collective group of people to have a group? hallucination is anene— have a group? hallucination is therelscientific_ have a group? hallucination is there scientific explanation there a scientific explanation for there a scientific explanation fan—aney-u- there a scientific explanation. for—they'll-it's for that? well, they'll say it's some kind of hysterical effect.

so you've got a knock on effect when somebody thinks they see something, when somebody thinks they see som think|, see the same will think they see the same thing that's generally thing as well. that's generally what they will say. science takes the takes a dim view of the paranormal because paranormal anyway because there's attached paranormal anyway because th

logically as well. just don't jump logically as well. just don't jump to the conclusion that it could be paranormal, but going back to your point, andrew, about the enfield poltergeist, that case there, janet, she was the sort of more, um , sort of the sort of more, um, sort of the sort of more, um, sort of the more focal person. in that case, there were two girls in it and they actually did say at the end of the case that they had faked some of the phenomena, but they only did that because they felt particularly janet felt under so much pressure from the press to perform . and there was press to perform. and there was a very prominent ghost investigator, paranormal investigator, paranormal investigator called maurice gross, who basically lived in the house rikki neave hoarding everything. i mean, the police even visited that location and saw lego flying around the room all on its own. the knocking , all on its own. the knocking, the tapping and the voice that janet was coming outwith. there was a man's voice. and this man's voice was saying, i don't an embolism in the room . and it

an embolism in the room. and it was really horrible . _ an embolism in the room. and it was really horrible . and but was really horrible. and but tney— was really horrible. and but they naa— was really horrible. and but they had a vocal analyst, a lady come, a examined janet's vocal cords and said it wasn't possible for this young girl to make the noises that she was making. and for her not to have her throat affected in any way. so there's lots and lots of unexplained, strange and very wonderful little things that have been recorded by maurice gross and if anybody wants to check that case out, please do. but just don't look at the negative side. yes, the press did . they felt under did come. they felt under pressure. and i think janet was interviewed of years interviewed a couple of years ago where she actually said that. fascinating that. but it's a fascinating case many more case and there's so many more like as well. i could talk like them as well. i could talk to you like them as well. i could talk a yaw apawa— like them as well. i could talk to you about this— like them as well. i could talk to you about this for- c i could talk to you about this for hours, but we nan-a— to you about this for hours, but we pant-any— to you about this for hours, but we don't-any more- to you about this for hours, but we don't any more time, i'm we don't have any more time, i'm afraid.— we don't have any more time, i'm anae- vwene — we don't have any more time, i'm afraid. yvette fielding and glen nann— afraid. yvette fielding and glen want. ananns— afraid. yvette fielding and glen hunt, thanks so— afraid. yvette fielding and glen hunt, thanks so for joining hunt, thanks so much for joining w— hunt, thanks so much for joining w tave— hunt, thanks so much for joining me. i love that.— hunt, thanks so much for joining me. i love that. i'm— hunt, thanks so much for joining me. i love that. i'm really interested— me. i love that. i'm really interested in— me. i love that. i'm really interested in this. yeah leo, do you— interested in this. yeah leo, do yaw anna— interested in this. yeah leo, do you think there's— interested in this. yeah leo, do you think there's anything in we — you think there's anything in we wean.— you think there's anything in it? yeah, absolutely.- you think there's anything in it? tflniuait .. you think there's anything in it? yeah, absolutely. i if it? yeah, absolutely. i mean, if you look any model you look at any model of physics, of physics, scientific model of physics, scientific model of physics to explain universe, physics to explain the universe, it's deterministic it's always a deterministic empirical model which means that

free will can exist. i mean, literally any scientific model will say that free will can't exist. you can't have an object in the universe deciding its own , its own course, its own path. and obviously that's true for socialists because they're entirely by society . but i think entirely by society. but i think the fact that free will, i believe it exists. so that means ghosts could possibly exist as well. do you think? frances well, i was listening- jain “

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welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so every week we dedicate this part of the show to the world of social media. now first up, this video of a gym goer in illinois who suffered a bit of a wardrobe wardrobe malfunction on a treadmill. this went viral this week. let's have a look . and the week. let's have a look. and the rest is history. oh, i mean, god love her. i feel i feel bad for her. yeah. particularly did she consent to that going viral ? consent to that going viral? because that's clearly a cctv situation , isn't it? yeah. yeah.

situation, isn't it? yeah. yeah. but i situation, isn't it? yeah. yeah. eat a mean— situation, isn't it? yeah. yeah. eat a w— situation, isn't it? yeah. yeah. but i mean, i guess- situation, isn't it? yeah. yeah. but i mean, i guess a- c .7 yeah. yeah. but i mean, i guess a gym's a pawn— but i mean, i guess a gym's a pwpns paase— but i mean, i guess a gym's a public place and— but i mean, i guess a gym's a public place and if the treadmill— public place and if the treadmill does happen to rip yaw— treadmill does happen to rip your trousers— treadmill does happen to rip your trousers off, so you're anene— your trousers off, so you're anene p..— your trousers off, so you're anene p. yaw— your trousers off, so you're there in your thong squirming aawna— there in your thong squirming around on the— there in your thong squirming around on the ground, that is, anat— around on the ground, that is, anaa is— around on the ground, that is, anaa is a— around on the ground, that is, that is a matter— around on the ground, that is, that is a matter for you rather anan— that is a matter for you rather anan ane— that is a matter for you rather anan ane pyn. — that is a matter for you rather anan ane pyn. .— that is a matter for you rather than the gym. c than the gym. i suppose it is. francis, any thoughts ? well, francis, any thoughts? well, what are we doing- f g 7 well, what are we doing about the treadmill— what are we doing about the treadmill e— what are we doing about the treadmill ? it's— what are we doing about the treadmill ? it's clearly sexually treadmill? it's clearly sexually assaulted— treadmill? it's clearly sexually assaulted-yeah.- treadmill? it's clearly sexually assaulted yeah. was me assaulted her. so yeah. was me aaa. — assaulted her. so yeah. was me aaa. nan— assaulted her. so yeah. was me too. for nothing— assaulted her. so yeah. was me too. for nothing . _ assaulted her. so yeah. was me too. for nothing . g too. for nothing. interesting. take a little bit edgy. let's now let's move on to this one. if you've ever felt shortchanged, do spare a thought for the essex pensioner who went into his local chippy this week and paid a tenner for this place. now we should say because you can't quite see there that piece of cod is 4.5in long. i think it's supposed to be quite a posh chip shop, but the shop wasn't particularly generous when it came to the chips ehhen when it came to the chips either. there's there it is a picture of it with a measuring tape. oh, my god . and that is a tape. oh, my god. and that is a small piece of fish. but i think, you know, whenever you go to a posh restaurant, the

portions really? portions are like, really? that's part of the isn't that's part of the deal, isn't it? it's it? yeah. yeah it is. it's quite vulgar hungry, isn't it? vulgar to be hungry, isn't it? is 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry is that 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry to is that 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry a weak— is that 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry to break that— is that 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry to break that to— is that 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry to break that to you. okay. tnaa-s— to break that to you. okay. tnaa-s pane— to break that to you. [its/saga that's quite disappointing . to break that to you. that's quite disappointing . that's quite disappointing. so wanna— that's quite disappointing. so would yaw— that's quite disappointing. so would you complain- that's quite disappointing. so would you complain about that? because typically in a fish and chip shop, you get massive feasts, don't you? yeah, but no, no, i feasts, don't you? yeah, but no, w wawan-a— feasts, don't you? yeah, but no, no, i wouldn't because- it?" c 7 yeah, but no, no, i wouldn't because i'm nnaen.— no, i wouldn't because i'm nnnsn. sa— no, i wouldn't because i'm british. so what- no, i wouldn't because i'm british. so what i'd do is i eat it, british. so what i'd do is i eat pp,-p_ british. so what i'd do is i eat p,-p ana— british. so what i'd do is i eat it,-it and then- british. so what i'd do is i eat it,-it and then i'd- british. so what i'd do is i eat it, it and then i'd tell it, i'd eat it and then i'd tell ane—ane- it, i'd eat it and then i'd tell. ane—ane-zo the same story for the next 20 yeas— the same story for the next 20 years apawa— the same story for the next 20 years about how— the same story for the next 20 years about how it's ripped me an. — years about how it's ripped me an. ana— years about how it's ripped me an. ana .— years about how it's ripped me an. ana unsa— years about how it's ripped me off. and i just get— years about how it's ripped me off. and i just get really angry apaaa— off. and i just get really angry about-resentful- off. and i just get really angry about resentful and carry about it and resentful and carry it about it and resentful and carry n-aa— about it and resentful and carry n-aa ny— about it and resentful and carry n-aa nny nyne- about it and resentful and carry it-to my dying day- about it and resentful and carry it to my dying day . it around to my dying day. interesting.— it around to my dying day. interesting. any— it around to my dying day. interesting. any thoughts on these fish and chips? i just hate hipsters have- �*7 win“: at in;7 ijust hate hipsters have ruined ewenyanpnp— hate hipsters have ruined everything like they've moved on to everything like they've moved on aa-ana— everything like they've moved on aa-ana snips. — everything like they've moved on to-and chips. no,- everything like they've moved on to and chips. m] to fish and chips. no, they've already ruined lager. remember to fish and chips. no, they've alrea(lager1ed lager. remember to fish and chips. no, they've alrea(lager just ager. remember to fish and chips. no, they've alrea(lager just ager. rlike mber when lagerjust tasted like fizzy was fizzy and yellow and it was great. and now they've changed it, tastes like flowers it, so it tastes like flowers and washing up liquid. it, so it tastes like flowers and washing up liquid . and this and washing up liquid. and this is same thing now. they is the same thing now. they moved to fish and chips. what moved on to fish and chips. what else are they going to ruin? society. there's that. do else are they going to ruin? soci remember there's that. do else are they going to ruin? sociremember therethose:. do else are they going to ruin? soci remember therethose hipsters else are they going to ruin? soc upnember therethose hipsters else are they going to ruin? soc up thatber therethose hipsters else are they going to ruin? soc up that serialerethose hipsters else are they going to ruin? soc up that serial restaurantipsters else are they going to ruin? soc up that serial restaurant in;ters set up that serial restaurant in the end and you could buy the east end and you could buy like £10 for a of weetabix like £10 for a bowl of weetabix ? yeah. people were complaining

anat— ? yeah. people were complaining mat-on.— ? yeah. people were complaining anaa-on aney-ne— 7 fl people were complaining that oh, they're selling that like, oh, they're selling ane— that like, oh, they're selling ane-nane- that like, oh, they're selling the - more than - that like, oh, they're selling the-more than it. that like, oh, they're selling. the-more than it cost the cereal for more than it cost in-supermarket. - the cereal for more than it cost in supermarket. e in the supermarket. it's like, yeah.— in the supermarket. it's like, yean. that-s.— in the supermarket. it's like, yeah, that's, that's the business every cafe. business model of every cafe. yeah, yeah. it's like you go in there and it's more expensive than made your own than if you made it in your own house. it didn't last, though, did house. it didn't last, though, an we— house. it didn't last, though, an in tnaa— house. it didn't last, though, did it? that shop?— it didn't last, though, did it? that shop? no, because peapae— did it? that shop? no, becausej peapae—pwy people realised they could buy seea— people realised they could buy cereal—£0.50. - cereal for like, like £0.50. wean. — cereal for like, like £0.50. wean. _wee- cereal for like, like £0.50.| yeah. _quite easy cereal for like, like £0.50.. yeah. _quite easy to yeah. and it's quite easy to make home. yeah, exactly. it make at home. yeah, exactly. it aaesn-a— make at home. yeah, exactly. it doesn't-particular- make at home. yeah, exactly. it doesn't-particular skill. doesn't take a particular skill aaes— doesn't take a particular skill aaes-weu— doesn't take a particular skill does-well next- doesn't take a particular skill does well next up, this does it. okay well next up, this is-niaen— does it. okay well next up, this is-biden-his- is president biden with his weakn— is president biden with his weekly—wnel is president biden with his. weekly—time he weekly offering. this time he did weekly offering. this time he aia stay— weekly offering. this time he an say an— weekly offering. this time he did stay on his— weekly offering. this time he did stay on his feet. don't wany— did stay on his feet. don't wany .— did stay on his feet. don't wany. n— did stay on his feet. don't wany. n-ns- did stay on his feet. don't. worry. it-his-that worry. it was his mouth that spwauea— worry. it was his mouth that spwauea-af— worry. it was his mouth that spiralled of control . have spiralled out of control. have a listen — spiralled out of control. have a listen. .commander- spiralled out of control. have a listen. commander in chief, listen. as commander in chief, aways— listen. as commander in chief, aaways prawn— listen. as commander in chief, aaways pnawa aa— listen. as commander in chief, always proud to have ended the pan— always proud to have ended the ban .transgender_ always proud to have ended the ban transgenderamericans always proud to have ended the ban transgender americans , ban on transgender americans, transgender— ban on transgender americans, transgender americans serving in the transgender americans serving in we annea— transgender americans serving in the united states— transgender americans serving in the united states military , the united states military, nansaenaen— the united states military, transgender americans. i mean, i wante— transgender americans. i mean, i wawa say— transgender americans. i mean, i wawa say isn-a— transgender americans. i mean, i would say isn't that— would say isn't that a transphobic?- would say isn't that a transphobic? i would have anawana— transphobic? i would have thought we're— transphobic? i would have thought we're going to have a go at nn— thought we're going to have a go at n... nan— thought we're going to have a go at him for that. _ thought we're going to have a go at him for that. i— thought we're going to have a go at him for that. i want to see transgender people now with those little bells on their feet. it's all pointy hat that is . — feet. it's all pointy hat that is . i— feet. it's all pointy hat that is . i wini— feet. it's all pointy hat that is . i think i— feet. it's all pointy hat that is. i think i have- feet. it's all pointy hat that is. i think i have seen- feet. it's all pointy hat that is. i think i have seen some people like that , to be honest. people like that, to be honest. do the phrase do you find the phrase transgender biden.

transgender? i love joe biden. i do. transgender? i love joe biden. i is ia— transgender? i love joe biden. i is ia ne— transgender? i love joe biden. i is ia ne iine— transgender? i love joe biden. i do. to me like he— transgender? i love joe biden. i do. to me like he does.- g:”7 i love joe biden. i do. to me like he does. i like ine— do. to me like he does. i like we nnanneni— do. to me like he does. i like the moment where he does that, wneie— the moment where he does that, wneie ne— the moment where he does that, where he doesn't— the moment where he does that, where he doesn't talk. he just ssasi — where he doesn't talk. he just ssasi pa— where he doesn't talk. he just ssasi pa yaw— where he doesn't talk. he just scats. do you know what i mean? pie...— scats. do you know what i mean? deep deep— scats. do you know what i mean? bleep, bleeprleep._ scats. do you know what i mean? bleep, bleep bleep. like he's bleep, bleep, bleep. like he's awn-pass— bleep, bleep, bleep. like he's our jazz president. we our first jazz president. we snawii— our first jazz president. we should embrace him. yeah, surely bill should embrace him. yeah, surely niii siinian— should embrace him. yeah, surely bill clinton with— should embrace him. yeah, surely bill clinton with a— should embrace him. yeah, surely bill clinton with a saxophone was-insi— bill clinton with a saxophone was-first jazz— bill clinton with a saxophone was first jazz president. was the first jazz president. wean. — was the first jazz president. wean-san— was the first jazz president. yeah,-can.what. was the first jazz president. . yeah,-can.what biden yeah, but he can do what biden does. no , biden is the gift that does. no, biden is the gift that keeps— does. no, biden is the gift that keeps an— does. no, biden is the gift that keeps an giving— : no, biden is the gift that keeps on giving anyway, this is the keeps on giving anyway, this is ine—wneie- the part of the show where we iain— the part of the show where we win-yaw— the part of the show where we talk your unfiltered talk about your unfiltered iiiennna. — talk about your unfiltered dilemma. for dilemma. so thank you again for sending problems in. sending your problems in. i don't know what you do, but you don't know what you do, but you do it every week. thank you. our first dilemma from susie. first dilemma is from susie. susie cat susie says, my neighbour's cat came was miaowing. so came over and was miaowing. so much some food. fair much i gave him some food. fair enough. much i gave him some food. fair enough . neighbour it, enough. my neighbour clocked it, had pop at me and now had a massive pop at me and now we are on. we are non—speakers. was of line? i mean, are was i out of line? i mean, are people without sort of protective over their cats? other people can't feed the cats.i other people can't feed the cats. i would have thought that other people can't feed the cats a would have thought that other people can't feed the cats a sortild have thought that other people can't feed the cats a sort of have thought that other people can't feed the cats a sort of aave thought that other people can't feed the cats a sort of a nice hought that other people can't feed the catsa sort of a nice gesture,�*iat was a sort of a nice gesture, right? well, because what right? well, no, because what nappens— right? well, no, because what nappens-inen- right? well, no, because what. happens-then becomes happens is the cat then becomes neaiiy— happens is the cat then becomes neaiiy fai— happens is the cat then becomes neaiiy iai ana— happens is the cat then becomes really fat and you're wondering why— really fat and you're wondering wnyline— really fat and you're wondering wnylineisa— really fat and you're wondering why-the-so fat?- really fat and you're wondering why the so fat? because why is the cat so fat? because i-we— why is the cat so fat? because i-we-wyina— why is the cat so fat? because i-we-wyinalieea- why is the cat so fat? because i've trying feed him i've been trying to feed him iease— i've been trying to feed him because he's— i've been trying to feed him because he's twice as because he's getting twice as nasn— because he's getting twice as nasn-eweny— because he's getting twice as nwsn-eweny nay.- because he's getting twice as much every day. right. much food every day. right. ixasiiy— much food every day. right. exactly. basically , you know, exactly. so basically, you know, iney-ie—sai-

exactly. so basically, you know,i they're—cat american, they're making the cat american, wnisn— they're making the cat american, wppa,_,_ they're making the cat american, pra,_, is— they're making the cat american, which,-, is nothing- which, you know, is nothing wrong— which, you know, is nothing wane-fai— which, you know, is nothing wrong-fat cat,- which, you know, is nothing wrong fat cat, though. wrong with a fat cat, though. fat wrong with a fat cat, though. iaa-aie— wrong with a fat cat, though. iaa-aie anne— wrong with a fat cat, though. fat-are quite-aren'tl fat cats are quite cute, aren't they? they diabetes , they? until they get diabetes, you they? until they get diabetes, yaw—eyewininal you have to ruin everything. pan-a— you have to ruin everything. pan-a yawn— you have to ruin everything. don't you? what— you have to ruin everything. | don't you? what-think don't you? what do you think about cats? no, i think about fat cats? no, i think i inni— about fat cats? no, i think i inink fai— about fat cats? no, i think i think fat cats— about fat cats? no, i think i think fat cats are— f7 no, i think i think fat cats are good because sais— think fat cats are good because sais. iei— think fat cats are good because sais. iei sais— think fat cats are good because cats. pet cats actually cats. pet cats are actually nespansiiaie— cats. pet cats are actually responsible -for- cats. pet cats are actually responsible for a genocide responsible for a for a genocide aaainsi— responsible for a for a genocide against songbirds.— responsible for a for a genocide against songbirds. nobody talks apawi— against songbirds. nobody talks aiawi ii.— against songbirds. nobody talks aiawi in its— against songbirds. nobody talks about it. it's the— against songbirds. nobody talks about it. it's the elephant in ne— about it. it's the elephant in we nann— about it. it's the elephant in the room. but— about it. it's the elephant in the room. but millions, the room. but like millions, iiieiaiiy— the room. but like millions, literally millions of birds every— literally millions of birds eweny yea— literally millions of birds every year and more owls and penis— every year and more owls and aeiiiis ani— every year and more owls and gerbils and things are true. naa— gerbils and things are true. net i— gerbils and things are true. net i mean— gerbils and things are true. net i i— gerbils and things are true. but i mean, i used- gerbils and things are true. but i mean, i used to- gerbils and things are true. but i mean, i used to have cats and they they bring you like and they do. they bring you like body as gifts and cat body parts as gifts and cat owners reason think owners for some reason think that this is cute as opposed to environmental catastrophe . i environmental catastrophe. i think it's quite cute. we had some kidneys from a squirrel at the foot of at the foot of the bed thought, bed and i thought, that's a lovely token because cat lovely token because in cat world thing. world that is a positive thing. it's why then do it's like, why can't i then do that with cats and bring a cat? kidneys? yeah . oh that always kidneys? yeah. oh that always eanas— kidneys? yeah. oh that always vegans as well. _ kidneys? yeah. oh that always vegans as well. they're always nae,— vegans as well. they're always iine. in— vegans as well. they're always like, i'm saving— vegans as well. they're always like, i'm saving animals by not eating.— like, i'm saving animals by not eaiina. wean— like, i'm saving animals by not eating. yeah but— like, i'm saving animals by not eating. yeah but your cat is going— eating. yeah but your cat is gains-wining- eating. yeah but your cat isi going-killing-of going out and killing lots of sawineis. — going out and killing lots of squirrels. ihra._ going out and killing lots of squirrels. ihra. i was once when i squirrels. ihra. i was once when i was— squirrels. ihra. i was once when i a—

squirrels. ihra. i was once when i a ieasnen— squirrels. ihra. i was once when i was a teacher, i— squirrels. ihra. i was once when i was a teacher, i had a saiieapwe— i was a teacher, i had a colleague who- i was a teacher, i had a colleague who made her cat weana — colleague who made her cat weana sne— colleague who made her cat vegan. she fed— colleague who made her cat vegan. she fed it- colleague who made her cat vegan. e g colleague who made her cat vegan. i: e g : vegan. she fed it vegan food. and do you know what the cat did? died. it left. yeah, right. of course it did. because it's nai— of course it did. because it's nai naiwai. — of course it did. because it's not natural. it's— of course it did. because it's not natural. it's like- cj�*" {.iii. e i: i: because it's not natural. it's like the wepeianan— not natural. it's like the vegetarian bloodhound in shirley vaieniine— vegetarian bloodhound in shirley vaieniine .— vegetarian bloodhound in shirley valentine , isn't— vegetarian bloodhound in shirley valentine , isn't it?— vegetarian bloodhound in shirley valentine , isn't it? yeah, they valentine, isn't it? yeah, they nan-i— valentine, isn't it? yeah, they ian-i-ii— valentine, isn't it? yeah, they ian-i-ii .— valentine, isn't it? yeah, they ian-i-ii . ai— valentine, isn't it? yeah, they don't-it . at least- valentine, isn't it? yeah, they don't it . at least give don't like it. at least give inen — don't like it. at least give them quorn,_ don't like it. at least give them quorn, for god's okay them quorn, for god's sake. okay so them quorn, for god's sake. okay sa-sesana— them quorn, for god's sake. okay so-second dilemma- them quorn, for god's sake. okay so second dilemma now is so our second dilemma now is inan— so our second dilemma now is nan—ianie- so our second dilemma now is from—lottie says. so our second dilemma now is from—lottie says ,i from lottie. and lottie says, vesieniay— from lottie. and lottie says, yesterday-a- from lottie. and lottie says, yesterday a wedding yesterday i went to a wedding for yesterday i went to a wedding fan-i— yesterday i went to a wedding nan-i ianeiy- yesterday i went to a wedding for-i barely know. yesterday i went to a wedding for i barely know , for someone i barely know, thinking— for someone i barely know, thinking i— for someone i barely know, thinking i was— for someone i barely know, thinking i was being really genenne n— thinking i was being really generous. i got— thinking i was being really generous. i got them voucher thinking i was being really gerarous. i got them voucher thinking i was being really gera meal got them voucher thinking i was being really gera meal fort them voucher thinking i was being really gera meal for twoem voucher thinking i was being really gera meal for two at voucher thinking i was being really gera meal for two at nando'ser for a meal for two at nando's wnen— for a meal for two at nando's nnen ene— for a meal for two at nando's when the people— for a meal for two at nando's when the people on my table saw the when the people on my table saw ene gin,— when the people on my table saw nne gin, nney— when the people on my table saw nne gin, nney eu— when the people on my table saw the gift, they all thought i was joking— the gift, they all thought i was joking .— the gift, they all thought i was g-enng . new— the gift, they all thought i was joking . new nn— the gift, they all thought i was joking . now i'm wondering if joking. now i'm wondering if i enema— joking. now i'm wondering if i enema sene— joking. now i'm wondering if i should send them something else instead.— should send them something else ..gggg.-w.0.g_ should send them something else instead. wrong with. should send them something else inste ai.-wrong with.- should send them something else inste ai. nando'sig with. should send them something else inste ai. nando's .| with. should send them something else inste ai. nando's . you h. should send them something else inste ai. nando's . you know, with a good nando's. you know, it's with a good nando's. you know, we a— with a good nando's. you know, we a decenn— with a good nando's. you know, it's a decent. especially if you een-n— it's a decent. especially if you gene-ene— it's a decent. especially if you don't-the person.- it's a decent. especially if you. don't-the person.-are don't know the person. what are you— don't know the person. what are yen—wen- don't know the person. what are yen—wettlneenl you meant to do.7 well i mean, it depende- — you meant to do.7 well i mean, it depends. _wedding- you meant to do? well i mean, iti depends. _wedding being depends. was the wedding being held at a wetherspoons ? if. if held at a wetherspoons? if. if the was at a the reception was at a wetherspoons, which i wanted for my wedding, but my wife wouldn't let us. but if it is at a wetherspoons , then yes, nando's wetherspoons, then yes, nando's is a generous gift. yeah. if not, then no. you're a cheapskate. is that right? yeah inever cheapskate. is that right? yeah i never know what to do with

weddings,— i never know what to do with weddings, .know, - i never know what to do with weddings, know, because i never know what to do with wedding you're know, because i never know what to do with wedding you're meant)ecause i never know what to do with wedding you're meant)ece|'ve whether you're meant to. i've got— whether you're meant to. i've. gen—very, got a wedding coming up very, very— got a wedding coming up very, very-neven-n— got a wedding coming up very, very haven't bought very soon. i haven't bought a gin— very soon. i haven't bought a gin gen — very soon. i haven't bought a gin gen. nney— very soon. i haven't bought a gift yet they say— very soon. i haven't bought a gift yet. they say you could gun— gift yet. they say you could gun-e— gift yet. they say you could just-a donation- gift yet. they say you could just a donation the just give a donation for the neneyneen.— just give a donation for the honeymoon. no, honeymoon. is that a fiver? no, no . nn— honeymoon. is that a fiver? no, no. no non— honeymoon. is that a fiver? no, no , it's not, mate.— honeymoon. is that a fiver? no, no , it's not, mate. no,- honeymoon. is that a fiver? no, no , it's not, mate. no, the no, it's not, mate. no, the problem is with weddings is that you spend way too much on it. so basically she is cheap. it's at least a meal for four. really? yeah. what if you feel that yeah. but what if you feel that weddings sort a symbol of weddings are sort of a symbol of heteropatriarchal oppression ? heteropatriarchal oppression? don't go. yeah, exactly . okay. don't go. yeah, exactly. okay. or you go there. and in an act of defiance , you get drunk and of defiance, you get drunk and then you ruin the whole thing. okay, fine. interesting. have we got okay, fine. interesting. have we goo-non— okay, fine. interesting. have we goo-non-nnot- okay, fine. interesting. have we got for final dilemma? got time for one final dilemma? nnn— got time for one final dilemma? nnnlnon — got time for one final dilemma? this .from darren— got time for one final dilemma? this from darren on a recent this is from darren on a recent nen— this is from darren on a recent non-ny— this is from darren on a recent visit-my future— this is from darren on a recent visit my future in—laws, i visit to my future in—laws, i accidentally— visit to my future in—laws, i accidentally blocked a toilet , accidentally blocked a toilet, nun— accidentally blocked a toilet, nun-nn— accidentally blocked a toilet, but-i'm worried- accidentally blocked a toilet, but i'm worried about going but now i'm worried about going nook— but now i'm worried about going back onene— but now i'm worried about going back there .case_ but now i'm worried about going back there .case i— but now i'm worried about going back there case i do it again back there in case i do it again . any— back there in case i do it again . any noe— back there in case i do it again . any one eeny— back there in case i do it again . any tips really ? _ back there in case i do it again . any tips really ? g 3: . any tips really? it depends what you blocked it with. yeah yeah. if it's a dead cat. yeah nnen— yeah. if it's a dead cat. yeah nnen onen— yeah. if it's a dead cat. yeah nnen one is— yeah. if it's a dead cat. yeah then that is an— “43?“ if it's a dead cat. yeah then that is an issue. if you nook— then that is an issue. if you took one— then that is an issue. if you took one you— then that is an issue. if you took the you know, the engine out took the you know, the engine onn on— took the you know, the engine on on o— took the you know, the engine on on o cnevy— took the you know, the engine out of a chevy impala and put onen— out of a chevy impala and put nnon-nonen— out of a chevy impala and put that-toilet, then- out of a chevy impala and put that toilet, then yeah, that in the toilet, then yeah, nnon-e. — that in the toilet, then yeah, that's. _think- that in the toilet, then yeah, that's. _think yeah.- that in the toilet, then yeah, that's. _think yeah. i. that in the toilet, then yeah,- that's. _think yeah. i mean that's. but i think yeah. i mean a lot of toilets just aren't up for are getting larger. for people are getting larger. i'm six. there's i'm six foot six. there's a lot

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easi— weather is just to the north and eosi oi— weather is just to the north and eosi oiiii— weather is just to the north and east of-it will— weather is just to the north and east of it will gradually east of us. it will gradually become— east of us. it will gradually becomes-- east of us. it will gradually become a feature of east of us. it will gradually- become-a feature of our become more of a feature of our weoinen— become more of a feature of our weoinen siow— become more of a feature of our weoinen snow os— become more of a feature of our weather story as we— become more of a feature of our weather story as we head towards the weather story as we head towardsj ine—weei. the middle part of the new week. but the middle part of the new week. nun-we— the middle part of the new week. nun-we io— the middle part of the new week. but-we do have- but for now, we do have some wnseiiiei— but for now, we do have some unsettled-contend. but for now, we do have some unsettled contend with unsettled spells to contend with innowgnoni— unsettled spells to contend with throughout sunday evening. this will throughout sunday evening. this win-gon— throughout sunday evening. this wiii-oon oi— throughout sunday evening. this wiii-oon oi ine— throughout sunday evening. this will part of the west will be a part of the west connin— will be a part of the west country-into- will be a part of the west- country-into southern country through into southerni area _where-band country through into southern. area _where-band of area of wales where this band of neow— area of wales where this band of wow—in,- area of wales where this band of heavy—in, could. heavy rain will push in, could provide— heavy rain will push in, could provide some— heavy rain will push in, could provide some difficult travelling— provide some difficult- travelling-elsewhere travelling conditions elsewhere innongnowi— travelling conditions elsewhere throughout the _ travelling conditions elsewhere throughout the night. generally snowing— throughout the night. generally snowing-.— throughout the night. generally siowing- ii— throughout the night. generally staying-. it could- throughout the night. generally staying . it could be quite staying drier. it could be quite nisiw—sonel misty and murky across some ooosioi— misty and murky across some ooosioi-ion- misty and murky across some coastal-for-of coastal areas, but for most of us coastal areas, but for most of nslwiii— coastal areas, but for most of nslwiiilgwiie— coastal areas, but for most of us.will.quite a- coastal areas, but for most of. us.will.quite a-and us it will be quite a muggy and nonin— us it will be quite a muggy and humid temperatures humid night. temperatures ieiiniieiw— humid night. temperatures definitely staying in double iigii— definitely staying in double sign-ion— definitely staying in double digit-for all- definitely staying in double digit-for all of- digit figures for all of our wnen— digit figures for all of our union-.— digit figures for all of our union-. ion- digit figures for all of our urban-. for us,- digit figures for all of our urban . for us, we start urban areas. for us, we start on— urban areas. for us, we start on monday— urban areas. for us, we start off monday this— urban areas. for us, we start off monday this rain will gnoiwoiiw— off monday this rain will gradually-its- off monday this rain will gradually its way off gradually clear its way off woies— gradually clear its way off wales .there'll- gradually clear its way off wales there'll a good wales and there'll be a good onowni— wales and there'll be a good amount-sunshine- wales and there'll be a good amount sunshine for east amount of sunshine for east angio— amount of sunshine for east angiio wo— amount of sunshine for east angiio no inno— amount of sunshine for east anglia up into midland and nonnenn— anglia up into midland and northern england and northern areas of england and sound— northern areas of england and scotland .well. _ northern areas of england and scotland well. that sunshine, scotland as well. that sunshine, inowgn— scotland as well. that sunshine, inowgnlgoing— scotland as well. that sunshine, inowgnlgoing io— scotland as well. that sunshine, though, going to start though, is going to start neiging,— though, is going to start helping, triggering showers helping, triggering some showers as helping, triggering some showers os—oiiennoonl as we head into the afternoon. they— as we head into the afternoon. inew-ie— as we head into the afternoon. inew-ie neow- as we head into the afternoon. they be heavy places they could be heavy in places one— they could be heavy in places one-risk— they could be heavy in places one-risk oi- they could be heavy in places and-risk of hail- they could be heavy in places and-risk of hail as. and bring the risk of hail as weii—inowgnl and bring the risk of hail asi weii—inowgn , and bring the risk of hail as- well._though , also well. temperatures, though, also responding— well. temperatures, though, also nesponiing io— well. temperatures, though, also responding to that— well. temperatures, though, also responding to that sunshine sunning— responding to that sunshine climbing into— responding to that sunshine climbing into the mid high 20s, so c— climbing into the mid high 20s, so c is— climbing into the mid high 20s, so c is oiso— climbing into the mid high 20s, 30 c is also possible once again— 30 c is also possible once again, some— 30 c is also possible once again, some of— 30 c is also possible once again, some of those thunderstorms will linger into iioniow— thunderstorms will linger into monday evening. so could still

be monday evening. so could still ie ine— monday evening. so could still be ine oin— monday evening. so could still be the odd rumble of thunder as you need— be the odd rumble of thunder as you need none— be the odd rumble of thunder as you head home during the night, but you head home during the night, in inew-ii— you head home during the night, but they'll gradually die off as we need— but they'll gradually die off as we head overnight. and a good nomen— we head overnight. and a good nnnnei oi— we head overnight. and a good number of clear— we head overnight. and a good number of clear intervals ieweioping— number of clear intervals ieweioping-.- number of clear intervals developing . again, the developing inland. again, the gown— developing inland. again, the cloud-lingering- developing inland. again, the cloud lingering across some cloud just lingering across some soosioi— cloud just lingering across some coastal particularly the coastal areas, particularly the sown—wen.— coastal areas, particularly the south—west. murray down south—west. murray firth down eseni— south—west. murray firth down eastern-areas.- south—west. murray firth down eastern-areas. but- south—west. murray firth down eastern areas. but the eastern coastal areas. but the sien— eastern coastal areas. but the eieon soeiis— eastern coastal areas. but the clear spells inland mean that we-ii— clear spells inland mean that we-ii sien— clear spells inland mean that we'll start tuesday off on a very— we'll start tuesday off on a very sunny— we'll start tuesday off on a very sunny note— we'll start tuesday off on a very sunny note and it should be neioiiweiw—iow- very sunny note and it should be relatively—day for. relatively fine and dry day for the relatively fine and dry day for ine vesi— relatively fine and dry day for the vast majority— relatively fine and dry day for the vast majority of us. just nnoneonl— the vast majority of us. just more an isolated shower at more of an isolated shower at inis— more of an isolated shower at we ine— more of an isolated shower at this time. high— more of an isolated shower at this time. high pressure then is gnoiwoiiw— this time. high pressure then is gnoiwoiiw-iis- gradually extending its influence— gradually extending itsi influence-uk gradually extending its- influence-uk and influence across the uk and ineneosingiw— influence across the uk and increasingly as— influence across the uk and increasingly as head towards increasingly as we head towards the increasingly as we head towards ine-non— increasingly as we head towards ine-oon oi— increasingly as we head towards ine-oon oi ine- increasingly as we head towards the part of the week, it the middle part of the week, it is going— the middle part of the week, it is going io— the middle part of the week, it is going ioliw— the middle part of the week, it is going to dry and settled the middle part of the week, it is gthe; to dry and settled the middle part of the week, it is gthe vast dry and settled the middle part of the week, it is gthe vast majority d settled the middle part of the week, it is gthe vast majority of ;ettled the middle part of the week, it is gthe vast majority of us led the middle part of the week, it is gthe vast majority of us and for the vast majority of us and we-ii— for the vast majority of us and we-ii-o— for the vast majority of us and we-ii-o gooe— for the vast majority of us and we'll a good number of we'll see a good number of woiongei— we'll see a good number of prolonged sunny intervals. temperatures— prolonged sunny intervals. temperatures just perhaps taking a temperatures just perhaps taking o-inniie— temperatures just perhaps taking o-iwniie .— temperatures just perhaps taking o-iwniie , oo— temperatures just perhaps taking a tumble , 30 degrees, not a slight tumble, 30 degrees, not owe— a slight tumble, 30 degrees, not gwiielwiieiw— a slight tumble, 30 degrees, not gwiielwiieiw .— a slight tumble, 30 degrees, not quite-widely , but— a slight tumble, 30 degrees, not quite widely , but still very quite as widely, but still very ow— quite as widely, but still very iw .—