donations earmarked for the scottish independent campaign. three british tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off eqypt into flames in the red sea off egypt. into flames in the red sea off eqypt - a into flames in the red sea off egypt . a officials say 12 egypt. a officials say 12 britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides. it's understood the fire was caused by an electrical short circuit. the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities and is assisting those involved . what assisting those involved. what if boris johnson's allies says the recent resignations of two tory mps wasn't a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister? jacob rees—mogg insists there's no plot against rishi sunak and believes he should remain as leader. he also believes, though, that mr johnson could easily get back into parliament at the next election. the former prime minister announced he was stepping down as an mp after being handed the findings of the partygate inquiry. sirjacob says there could be a split

though if some mps try to block johnson's return and admits things could have been done better. one things could have been done better . one always deserves better. one always deserves blame— better. one always deserves blame for— better. one always deserves blame for one's_ one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it would— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd— blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd me to pretend would be absurd of me to pretend and that— would be absurd of me to pretend and that boris— would be absurd of me to pretend and that boris hasn't made mistakes.— and that boris hasn't made mistakes. there— and that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter—who— mistakes. there was a man called peter—who in- mistakes. there was a man called peter—who in the- mistakes. there was a man called peter who in the late peter wentworth who in the late 16th — peter wentworth who in the late 16th century— peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was— peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the tower— 16th century was locked up in the tower for— 16th century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house— the tower for saying in the house of— the tower for saying in the house of commons, none is without— house of commons, none is without-ne,- house of commons, none is without- no, not- house of commons, none is without no, not our without fault. no, not our gracious— without fault. no, not our gracious queen. the same could be see— gracious queen. the same could be see of— gracious queen. the same could be said of boris— gracious queen. the same could be said of boris nana is without bub.— be said of boris nana is without bub-beb— be said of boris nana is without bub-ebb eb— be said of boris nana is without fault. not our gracious fault. no, not our gracious berbe. — fault. no, not our gracious berbe. -be- fault. no, not our gracious boris. -is true. fault. no, not our gracious boris. -is true of| fault. no, not our gracious. boris.-is true of all boris. that that is true of all of boris. that that is true of all be — boris. that that is true of all be bbe— boris. that that is true of all of us. the met— boris. that that is true of all of us. mile o” cc; boris. that that is true of all- of us. the met office has warned almost a month's of rain almost a month's worth of rain could fall over parts of the uk in the next 12 hours. a high of 31 degrees was recorded at heathrow this afternoon. a yellow thunderstorm alerts which have been issued for areas in scotland , northern ireland, scotland, northern ireland, england and wales will be in force until 9 pm. tomorrow. and if you think that's hot, well, take a look at this. a volcano in hawaii putting on a spectacular show. big island erupted early on wednesday

spewing ash and a river of lava. now it's located in a closed national park. it's one of the world's most active volcanoes. lava flows are expected to remain confined to the surrounding crater, though tv , surrounding crater, though tv, onune surrounding crater, though tv, online dab and tunein radio. this is gb news. now it's time for free speech nation . when for free speech nation. when. the government attempts to push through more anti—protest legislation , nudists get in legislation, nudists get in trouble for eating naked in a pub. and it looks very much like j.k. pub. and it looks very much like j-k- bewbbg— pub. and it looks very much like j-k- bewbbg bee— and it looks very much like j.k. rowling has been attacked by beam.— j.k. rowling has been attacked by oxbem. ebb— j.k. rowling has been attacked by oxfam. this is— j.k. rowling has been attacked by oxfam. this is free speech webbe— by oxfam. this is free speech bebbeb .— by oxfam. this is free speech nation . welcome— by oxfam. this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech webbe— nation. welcome to free speech bebbeb ebb— nation. welcome to free speech nation with me— nation. welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. on bebbgbb-e— nation with me andrew doyle. on bebbgbb-e ebew— nation with me andrew doyle. on bebbgbb-e ebew ,— nation with me andrew doyle. on tonight's show , how would you tonight's show, how would you define—

tonight's show, how would you define sexe— tonight's show, how would you define sex? mps— tonight's show, how would you define sex? mps are going to be eerebebbbg— define sex? mps are going to be scratching their— define sex? mps are going to be scratching their heads over that one tomorrow and— scratching their heads over that one tomorrow and trying to define— one tomorrow and trying to define bbe— one tomorrow and trying to define the term— one tomorrow and trying to define the term in a parliamentary debate . i'm going parliamentary debate. i'm going to parliamentary debate. i'm going be be— parliamentary debate. i'm going to be discussing— parliamentary debate. i'm going to be discussing that with webbed— to be discussing that with- writer_ heather writer helen joyce and heather bbbbbbd— writer helen joyce and heather binning-women's- writer helen joyce and heather binning women's rights binning from the women's rights network.— binning from the women's rights network. after— binning from the women's rights network. after the— binning from the women's rights network. after the oscar winning dbm— network. after the oscar winning bum-bend— network. after the oscar winning film french connection was film the french connection was eebeereerd-b— film the french connection was censored for modern censored to cater for modern eebebdvbdee. — censored to cater for modern sensitivities. i'll— censored to cater for modern sensitivities. i'll be asking ebbbed— sensitivities. i'll be asking spiked editor— sensitivities. i'll be asking spiked editor tom slater whether it's spiked editor tom slater whether bde eve— spiked editor tom slater whether it's ever acceptable to edit ebdev— it's ever acceptable to edit older works _ it's ever acceptable to edit older works of— it's ever acceptable to edit older works of art. plus, do you bebeve— older works of art. plus, do you bebeve db— older works of art. plus, do you believe in ghosts?— older works of art. plus, do you believe in ghosts? tv's most bedded— believe in ghosts? tv's most haunted presenter yvette bedded— haunted presenter yvette bbebdbbd ,— haunted presenter yvette fielding, insists haunted presenter yvette fielding , insists supernatural fielding, insists supernatural bees— fielding, insists supernatural forces are hard— fielding, insists supernatural forces are hard at work, while sbeebe— forces are hard at work, while spectre sceptic— forces are hard at work, while spectre sceptic glen hunt thinks ebbevvbee. — spectre sceptic glen hunt thinks ebbevvbee. vee— spectre sceptic glen hunt thinks otherwise. you won't want to redee— otherwise. you won't want to bbdb— otherwise. you won't want to miss that chilling debate. and of course, myself— miss that chilling debate. and of course, myself and my bdbbdede— of course, myself and my fantastic panel- of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be here to answer our questions today. vve-ve— answer our questions today. vve-ve deb— answer our questions today. vve-ve deb bee— answer our questions today. we've got leo kearse and frances feeder,— we've got leo kearse and frances beebev vbe— we've got leo kearse and frances beebev vbe .— we've got leo kearse and frances beebev vbe . se— we've got leo kearse and frances foster, who . so leo,— we've got leo kearse and frances foster, who . so leo, you must be foster, who. so leo, you must be bvebbv— foster, who. so leo, you must be bvebbv bbedeed— foster, who. so leo, you must be bvebbv bbedeed .— foster, who. so leo, you must be bvebbv bbedeed . ._ foster, who. so leo, you must be pretty pleased . i know you're a pretty pleased. i know you're a fan pretty pleased. i know you're a bee eb— pretty pleased. i know you're a fan of nicola— pretty pleased. i know you're a fan of nicola sturgeon . yeah. fan of nicola sturgeon. yeah. bbeve-e— fan of nicola sturgeon. yeah. bbeve-e going— fan of nicola sturgeon. yeah. there's going to— fan of nicola sturgeon. yeah. there's going to people watching for there's going to people watching be de— there's going to people watching be be deb— there's going to people watching for the first time.— there's going to people watching for the first time. i— there's going to people watching for the first time. i not know bee— for the first time. i not know bee bee— for the first time. i not know bee bee d— for the first time. i not know leo has a few— for the first time. i not know leo has a few issues with nicola seeded,— leo has a few issues with nicola sbdvgeeb, bub— leo has a few issues with nicola sturgeon, but you _ leo has a few issues with nicola sturgeon, but you know, is it a eb— sturgeon, but you know, is it a sense of schadenfreude that ebe-e— sense of schadenfreude that ebe-e been— sense of schadenfreude that she's been arrested? schadenfreude that's that's

schadenfreude that's a that's a fancy word for it. i'm delighted that she's she's been arrested. she's been released, and she says innocent. and i'm says she's innocent. and i'm convinced that she yeah, she ironically, she she posted earlier this week that she'd she'd passed her driving theory test but almost failed on a hazard hazard recognition, which i would never guessed from her record as first minister in scotland. nobody ever see hazards coming down the pipeline. those theory tests are dubbe— pipeline. those theory tests are quite bard.— pipeline. those theory tests are dude bevd. bub— pipeline. those theory tests are quite hard. but you— those theory tests are quite hard. but you know, what do quite hard. but you know, what de vee— quite hard. but you know, what de ved vbdb— quite hard. but you know, what de ved vbdb de— quite hard. but you know, what do you what do you make of it ne— do you what do you make of it now? obviously— do you what do you make of it now? obviously you know, it's an endebnd— now? obviously you know, it's an ongoing investigation. we're not going— ongoing investigation. we're not debnd—dbenb- going to speculate about envbnbng. — going to speculate about anything. but- going to speculate about anything. 2be going to speculate about anything. v2v:::v going to speculate about- anything. butjust do you think anything. but just do you think when she got put in the car right, had cuffs on and right, she had the cuffs on and she was getting driven the she was getting driven to the station, think she was station, do you think she was still with male rapists still cool with male rapists being in female prisons? being put in female prisons? oh, think? well she must oh, you think? well she must neve— oh, you think? well she must have-actually,- oh, you think? well she must have - actually, do . oh, you think? well she must have actually, do you have been like actually, do you knew— have been like actually, do you knew-v— have been like actually, do you knew-v geese- have been like actually, do you know-i guess-a- have been like actually, do you. know-i guess-a little know what? i guess i'm a little bit gender critical now. don't bit gender critical now. i don't think don't she was think i don't think she was a little was she cuffed? little bit. was she cuffed? i den-b— little bit. was she cuffed? i den-b bnbnb— little bit. was she cuffed? i don't think they— c c was she cuffed? i don't think they would cuff. i bnbnb— don't think they would cuff. i bnbnb vne— don't think they would cuff. i bnbnb bne »— don't think they would cuff. i think the i think— don't think they would cuff. i think the i think the only reason she— think the i think the only reason she she- think the i think the only reason she she wanted to make it

eeebelnen— reason she she wanted to make it eeebenlnenldev— reason she she wanted to make it easier men get access to easier for men to get access to women's prisons was just to make eve-be— women's prisons was just to make eve-vne event— women's prisons was just to make sure -the event she- women's prisons was just to make sure-the event she is- sure that in the event she is fennd— sure that in the event she is bend-ene— sure that in the event she is- found-she-actually found guilty, she would actually be-be— found guilty, she would actually be-be bend— found guilty, she would actually be-be eenv be— found guilty, she would actually be-be sent to a- found guilty, she would actually be be sent to a women's be able to be sent to a women's bneen. — be able to be sent to a women's bneen. right-— be able to be sent to a women's prison. right. well— be able to be sent to a women's prison. md v2»: be able to be sent to a women's prison. 3g vi»i; prison. right. well since we we've already managed to split the that one. so the audience on that one. so let's go for some 'viv“ so let's go for some harmony and get let's go for some harmony and deb bene— let's go for some harmony and get some questions from our audience— get some questions from our endbenee obn— get some questions from our audience. our first question is ben— audience. our first question is been-wnene-e— audience. our first question is. from -where's- hello, from ryan. where's ryan? hello, nven. — from ryan. where's ryan? hello, nven. -evenbng.- from ryan. where's ryan? hello, ryan. -evening. has- from ryan. where's ryan? hello, ryan. “ “3 ryan. good evening. has oxfam demonised rowling? well, demonised jk rowling? well, i mean , you decide this- demonised jk rowling? well, i mean , you decide this is- mean, you decide this is a dndenb— mean, you decide this is a difficult one— mean, you decide this is a difficult one because oxfam is, you— difficult one because oxfam is, ven knew,— difficult one because oxfam is, ven bnev, d— difficult one because oxfam is, you know, a charity. they needed— you know, a charity. they. released _week you know, a charity. they- released _week and released a video this week and bnene— released a video this week and bnene-d— released a video this week and there-a cartoon— released a video this week and there a cartoon figure in there was a cartoon figure in be— there was a cartoon figure in be vbdee— there was a cartoon figure in the video which— there was a cartoon figure in the video which looked like it end— the video which looked like it could-rowling.- the video which looked like it could rowling. dunno if could be jk rowling. i dunno if vveve-bnnede- could be jk rowling. i dunno if we've-image, but- could be jk rowling. i dunno if we've image, but we we've got the image, but if we neve— we've got the image, but if we nave—bee- we've got the image, but if wei have,_see this have, maybe we could see this end— have, maybe we could see this end-enemy— have, maybe we could see this end-endnbv .— have, maybe we could see this and-charity . oh- have, maybe we could see this and charity . oh no, that's and the charity. oh no, that's and the charity. oh no, that's an bnede— and the charity. oh no, that's an bnede eb— and the charity. oh no, that's an image of the— and the charity. oh no, that's an image of the article itself. so an image of the article itself. be n— an image of the article itself. se it ve— an image of the article itself. se n we de— an image of the article itself. so if we do find— an image of the article itself. so if we do find that image ve-bb— so if we do find that image wed-be— so if we do find that image ve-u-be ven. - so if we do find that image we'll to you. but we'll show it to you. but effectively _ we'll show it to you. but effectively leo - we'll show it to you. but effectively leo it does feel as bnendn— effectively leo it does feel as bnendn-een— effectively leo it does feel as though-sort of- effectively leo it does feel as though sort of describe though i can sort of describe it. though i can sort of describe n-vde— though i can sort of describe it.-waslcartoon- though i can sort of describe it. was cartoon image of it. there was a cartoon image of a it. there was a cartoon image of e-vne— it. there was a cartoon image of e-vne beebed— it. there was a cartoon image of a-who looked a- it. there was a cartoon image of a-who looked a.like| it. there was a cartoon image of. a-who looked a.like jk a woman who looked a bit like jk bevbnd— a woman who looked a bit like jk nevbnd enn— a woman who looked a bit like jk rowling with demon eyes, with a bedde— rowling with demon eyes, with a badge—vend- rowling with demon eyes, with a badge _word terf. badge on saying the word terf been— badge on saying the word terf yeah, exclusionary, yeah, trans exclusionary, bedded— yeah, trans exclusionary, radical feminist. what yeah, trans exclusionary, radical feminist ..what it radical feminist. so what was it 7 radical feminist. so what was it e jk_ radical feminist. so what was it e jk nevbng— radical feminist. so what was it e jk nevbng b— radical feminist. so what was it ? jk rowling it was- radical feminist. so what was it ? jk rowling it was obviously obviously j.k. rowling. and you know, what's what's even worse

is the other two people in it were apparently graham linehan and andy. no. and no is a and andy. no. and andy no is a vietnamese american guy. and they very racist sort of, they used a very racist sort of, you know, a 1930 racist depiction of a of a vietnamese quy- depiction of a of a vietnamese guy. so, i mean, for oxfam to be doing this, i just don't understand oxfam are supposed to be materially improving people's lives. why are they getting involved in the culture wars , involved in the culture wars, alienating half of the people? there's the image on the screen right, right now, we should say we know for certain that we don't know for certain that these those figures were these that those figures were meant represent. no. meant to represent. andy no. graham _rowlingl meant to represent. andy no.- graham _rowling that graham linehan, jk rowling that has-speculation— graham linehan, jk rowling that has-speculation .- graham linehan, jk rowling that has speculation . yeah. from has been speculation. yeah. from beebbe— has been speculation. yeah. from people--_ has been speculation. yeah. from beebbe-. bub— has been speculation. yeah. from beebbe-. but even- has been speculation. yeah. from people-. but even if- has been speculation. yeah. from people . but even if it's people online. but even if it's neb— people online. but even if it's neb even— people online. but even if it's neb n— people online. but even if it's not even if these _ people online. but even if it's not even if these are just edneenbee— not even if these are just caricatures-just- not even if these are just caricatures just anyone, the caricatures of just anyone, the feeb— caricatures of just anyone, the beet-ene— caricatures of just anyone, the beet-ene eb— caricatures of just anyone, the fact-one of them- caricatures of just anyone, the fact one of them is wearing fact that one of them is wearing a fact that one of them is wearing e-edvbnd— fact that one of them is wearing e-edvbnd ben— fact that one of them is wearing e-edvbnd den .— fact that one of them is wearing a saying terf , that's a badge saying terf, that's banne— a badge saying terf, that's bennglven— a badge saying terf, that's taking very specific political taking a very specific political eeneeb — taking a very specific political stance. .taking- taking a very specific political stance. .taking a- taking a very specific political stance. “g stance. it is taking a very specific political but specific political stance. but oxfam , let's be fair. i think oxfam, let's be fair. i think this better than what oxfam this is better than what oxfam normally is go over to normally do, which is go over to different countries , set up, you different countries, set up, you know, little, little camps and then sexually assault women. so it's true . rhiannon francis,

it's true. rhiannon francis, you're very much on a roll tonight . i correct you there, tonight. i correct you there, francis it's children. yeah. now these these were allegations, of course , right? we're not going course, right? we're not going to course, right? we're not going te ebeenbdbe— course, right? we're not going to speculate about— i ”g“7 we're not going to speculate about the truth of bee— to speculate about the truth of those allegations.— to speculate about the truth of those allegations. francis i nbdnb— those allegations. francis i nbgnb teet— those allegations. francis i might just have to gag you . it's might just have to gag you. it's a might just have to gag you. it's dnbebv— might just have to gag you. it's enbebv ene— might just have to gag you. it's a tricky one, though. i think even— a tricky one, though. i think every kind— a tricky one, though. i think even nnd en— a tricky one, though. i think every kind of charity and major bnedbnden— every kind of charity and major institution appears to have been captured— institution appears to have been edbtnnedlbnbe— institution appears to have been captured this stuff. it's captured by this stuff. and it's tubb— captured by this stuff. and it's tneb ee— captured by this stuff. and it's tneb ee vend— captured by this stuff. and it's just so weird that— captured by this stuff. and it's just so weird that they're denenbebnd— just so weird that they're demonising who are just so weird that they're- demonising-who are just demonising women who are just een— sort of standing up for women's dente— sort of standing up for women's dente-debnd— sort of standing up for women's rights.-going.and- rights. what's going on and dividing— rights. what's going on and dividingimean,_ rights. what's going on and dividing mean, everybody dividing i mean, everybody enenbd—nl dividing i mean, everybody- should_if they're should support oxfam if they're going— should support oxfam if they're gene-dend— should support oxfam if they're going-doing what- should support oxfam if they're going doing what they going out and doing what they need—vnben- going out and doing what they. used _which shops used to do, which is which shops are used to do, which is which shops nnbbben— used to do, which is which shops are rubbish, man. _ used to do, which is which shops are rubbish, man. \viv ”c: are rubbish, man. no, they're terrible. no, actually they're bookshops good. bookshops are really good. i mean, you still get your mean, i know you still get your clothes there, but they're really a scotsman. really coming from a scotsman. yeah. shops at marks and yeah. who shops at marks and spencer's. francis. i came in a few quid, but. but yeah. oxfam shouldn't they should be going out and trying to improve the lives people in poverty and, lives of people in poverty and, you know, the underprivileged people around the world. instead, they're fighting the culture war and just dividing their support. so a whole bunch of people, you know, gender

critical feminists, which i think people aren't think is most people aren't going support. i think think is most people aren't going support. ithink you're going to support. i think you're vend— going to support. i think you're vnend dbenb— going to support. i think you're vneng dbenb v— going to support. i think you're wrong about i think— guiv “g i think you're wrong about i think starving beebbe— wrong about i think starving. people—countries people in developing countries are people in developing countries needy— people in developing countries are really interested in intersectional feminism the intersectional feminism and the endure— intersectional feminism and the enbnbnenbv— intersectional feminism and the cultu priority, isn't— their priority, isn't it? anyway,— their priority, isn't it?| anvvdv,—en their priority, isn't it?- anywayv —en be their priority, isn't it?— anyway,_on to another anyway, let's move on to another dneeden— anyway, let's move on to another dneeden nev— anyway, let's move on to another question now from _ anyway, let's move on to another question now from roger. where's redeve— question now from roger. where's regen nt— question now from roger. where's roger? hi-hello. - question now from roger. where's roger? hi hello. ' ”c: question now from roger. where's roger? hi hello. ' ”vi; roger? hi roger. hello. are you vented— roger? hi roger. hello. are you vented-be— roger? hi roger. hello. are you worried the government's worried about the government's latest anti—protest legislation? latest anti —protest legislation? yeah, latest anti—protest legislation? yeah, i am, actually. so there was this article— yeah, i am, actually. so there was this article on— “43?“ i so there was this article on amnesty international— was this article on amnesty international website and bnev-ne— international website and they're talking about the uk devennnenb— they're talking about the uk devennnenb .— they're talking about the uk government , which going to government, which is going to try government, which is going to bnv-bnbe— government, which is going to try this legislation on try and pass this legislation on on try and pass this legislation on en beeeebnb— try and pass this legislation on on peaceful protest . but the on peaceful protest. but the enemy— on peaceful protest. but the enenbv eave— on peaceful protest. but the charity says these new regulations— charity says these new regulations would set the ennbnd— regulations would set the criminal threshold for protest at d— criminal threshold for protest d e very— criminal threshold for protest at d very bev— criminal threshold for protest at a very low level. so i should bnebdbbv— at a very low level. so i should bnebebvv teet— at a very low level. so i should probably just explain what sort of probably just explain what sort en vneb— probably just explain what sort of what happened here. so if you nennennenb teet— of what happened here. so if you remember, just before the coronation— remember, just before the coronation sort coronation the government sort of coronation the government sort en-bnnendn— coronation the government sort of-through these- of snuck through these regulations— of snuck through these regulations protest, regulations about protest, benbenvenv— particularly slow walking preteen— particularly slow walking protest, and— particularly slow walking protest, and people ended up getting— protest, and people ended up getting-before- protest, and people ended up getting before they'd getting arrested before they'd eebndbbv— getting arrested before they'd actually anything. what actually done anything. what was actually done anything. what was e—bndb- actually done anything. what was e—bndb be- a bit disturbing about that is net— a bit disturbing about that is bnebleen— a bit disturbing about that is bndbleen eb— a bit disturbing about that is that sort of happened just that it sort of happened just une— that it sort of happened just bbe-nbdnb— that it sort of happened just like-night-the. like the night before the coronation— like the night before the coronation which isn't the way bneb— coronation which isn't the way deb-en— coronation which isn't the way that-of things- coronation which isn't the way that of things should that these sort of things should ndbben. — that these sort of things should ndbben. bnene— that these sort of things should happen. there should be much mere-dbenb— happen. there should be much more-aboutiand.

happen. there should be much more about and now more scrutiny about it. and now ven-ve— more scrutiny about it. and now ven-ve-bneee— more scrutiny about it. and now you've these clauses in this you've got these clauses in this detest— you've got these clauses in this detest-ende— you've got these clauses in this latest-order-that- latest public order act that were rejected _ latest public order act that were rejected by the house of bende— were rejected by the house of bends-tn— were rejected by the house of bends-bn-veen- were rejected by the house of lords-in-year andi lords earlier in the year and new-weev— lords earlier in the year and now-week the- lords earlier in the year and now week the parliament's now this week the parliament's going— now this week the parliament's gene-bev— now this week the parliament's goingltry end— now this week the parliament's going try and sneak them going to try and sneak them bnnendn— going to try and sneak them through regulations. right? through as regulations. right? and— through as regulations. right?l and—defining and so they're reading, defining end—be— and so they're reading, defining what be disruptive what it means to be disruptive in d— what it means to be disruptive in e preteen— what it means to be disruptive in a protest. they're setting bne— in a protest. they're setting bne-venv- in a protest. they're setting bne-venv bev- in a protest. they're setting bne-venv bev .- in a protest. they're setting the very low . now, in a protest. they're setting- the-very low . now, you the bar very, very low. now, you remember that— the bar very, very low. now, you remember that police crime and eenbendnd— remember that police crime and sentencing-when- remember that police crime and sentencing when tried sentencing bill, when they tried to sentencing bill, when they tried be-bneb— sentencing bill, when they tried be-bneb bnev— sentencing bill, when they tried to that they basically to pass that they were basically eevbnd— to pass that they were basically saving—vee- to pass that they were basically saying—was noisy. to pass that they were basically saying—was noisy ,i saying if a protest was noisy, bne— saying if a protest was noisy, bne bebee— saying if a protest was noisy, the police could— saying if a protest was noisy, the police could shut it down. webb— the police could shut it down. webb-beve- well, of course, they're not going— well, of course, they're not going-vou— well, of course, they're not going-you know,- well, of course, they're not going you know, they're going to be you know, they're neb— going to be you know, they're net-be — going to be you know, they're net-be nbne- going to be you know, they're not be mime artists, not going to be mime artists, are—tel are they? there's going to bnene-e— are they? there's going to been going— are they? there's going to there's going to be noise at a preteen— there's going to be noise at a bnebeen nev,— there's going to be noise at a protest. now, concerned protest. now, i'm concerned dbenb— protest. now, i'm concerned dbenb bnbe— protest. now, i'm concerned about this because i think bedeennb— about this because i think peaceful protest is the right of all peaceful protest is the right of ebb-env— peaceful protest is the right of ebb-any nee- peaceful protest is the right of all any free society. all of us in any free society. wndb— all of us in any free society. wndblven— all of us in any free society. what-you make- all of us in any free society. what you make this? well what do you make of this? well to what do you make of this? well be-be— what do you make of this? well be-be teet— what do you make of this? well be-be tneb en— what do you make of this? well to is just an extension to me, this is just an extension of to me, this is just an extension en vndb— to me, this is just an extension of what happened _ to me, this is just an extension of what happened over covid, vnene— of what happened over covid, vvenevve—- of what happened over covid, where—we were. of what happened over covid,. where—we were told where it's actually we were told bndb— where it's actually we were told bndeeenbdn-b— where it's actually we were told that couldn't congregate that we couldn't congregate in genes. — that we couldn't congregate in genes. _wee- that we couldn't congregate in| groups. _were banned that we couldn't congregate in- groups. _were banned and groups. protests were banned and people absolutely fine people were absolutely fine with this. saying, oh, this. so they were saying, oh, why, you need to protest why, why do you need to protest dunng why, why do you need to protest during a pandemic? but unfortunately, what this is unfortunately, what this does is then sets a very dangerous precedent by precedent whereby by the government then come in and they've these and they've enacted these powers and guess love guess what? governments love telling people what to do. they

love overstepping the mark and they really enjoy joy. inaya encroaching on people's civil liberties. it's encroaching on people's civil liberties . it's always really liberties. it's always really inconsistent— liberties. it's always really inconsistent as— c it's always really inconsistent as well. you know, bnev— inconsistent as well. you know, bnev bed— inconsistent as well. you know, be bad bneee— inconsistent as well. you know, they had these ideas that people eenbdn-b— they had these ideas that people couldn't protest— they had these ideas that people couldn't protest against the beebdevn— couldn't protest against the lockdown because of risk of lockdown because of the risk of the lockdown because of the risk of be vbne— lockdown because of the risk of the virus spreading when the bbdeb— the virus spreading when the black-matter— the virus spreading when the black matter protest black lives matter protest nabbened,— black lives matter protest happened, seem to think happened, they seem to think bndb— happened, they seem to think deb—d- happened, they seem to think bneb—d dev- happened, they seem to think bneb—d dev enni that the virus took a day off, bneb— that the virus took a day off, bneb dev— that the virus took a day off, bneb dev end— that the virus took a day off, that day and it— that the virus took a day off, that day and it was absolutely fine— that day and it was absolutely nne ben— that day and it was absolutely fine for them.— that day and it was absolutely fine for them. well, as we all knew,— fine for them. well, as we all knew, bne— fine for them. well, as we all know, the virus— fine for them. well, as we all know, the virus pro blm, so know, the virus is pro blm, so be— know, the virus is pro blm, so be vbne— know, the virus is pro blm, so the virus actually— know, the virus is pro blm, so the virus actually took a step been.— the virus actually took a step been-be— the virus actually took a step back.-is cool- the virus actually took a step back.-is cool with. back. the virus is cool with net. — back. the virus is cool with net. vent.— back. the virus is cool with that. yeah. yeah.- back. the virus is cool with that. “43?“ “43?“ i back. the virus is cool with that. / / i that. yeah. yeah. because, you know you know the know the virus. you know the virus, if you think about it, is very woke. it doesn't have a genden very woke. it doesn't have a gender. you know, it doesn't recognise borders. uh, fair enough. fair enough. and it doesn't people. what do doesn't like old people. what do you about doesn't like old people. what do ven-dbenb bnbe— doesn't like old people. what do you-about this, leo?- you make about this, leo? beednee— you make about this, leo?- beednee—bnenv because i know you're pretty ebb— because i know you're pretty ebb-en— because i know you're pretty ebb-en bne— because i know you're pretty sick of the protesters sick of a lot of the protesters bndb— sick of a lot of the protesters bneb vveve— sick of a lot of the protesters that we've seen _ sick of a lot of the protesters that we've seen recently, particularlvv_ that we've seen recently, particularly, say, extinction nebebden— particularly, say, extinction - rebellion—britain. rebellion and insulate britain. been.— rebellion and insulate britain. been-bie— rebellion and insulate britain. been-tnbe be— rebellion and insulate britain. yeah. _this is the- rebellion and insulate britain. yeah. this is the thing. yeah. i mean, this is the thing. i yeah. i mean, this is the thing. v vee— yeah. i mean, this is the thing. v needy— yeah. i mean, this is the thing. i was really worried— yeah. i mean, this is the thing. i was really worried-my. i was really worried about my rights by an rights being winnowed away by an increasingly authoritarian government. but then i realised it's used to go in it's going to be used to go in and beat up, just stop oil with those big sticks from the 60s. and you're with that? yeah and you're fine with that? yeah suddenly like great

suddenly it seems like a great idea. so far the police idea. i mean, so far the police haven't even been attempting to deal oil. if deal with just stop oil. if anything, been. they've anything, they've been. they've been as just oils, been acting as just stop oils, personal security. that's an issue, personal security. that's an den-b— personal security. that's an issue, isn't it?— personal security. that's an issue, isn't it? and- i ” can that's an issue, isn't it? and they should be criticised— issue, isn't it? and they should be criticised .that. - issue, isn't it? and they should be criticised that. but the be criticised for that. but the bnbnd— be criticised for that. but the bnbnd-eb— be criticised for that. but the. thing-of-activities thing is, some of the activities by thing is, some of the activities bv—ven-ne- by the people that you're nendenbnd— by the people that you're mentioning already illegal. mentioning are already illegal. it's—vandalise- it's not legal to vandalise budding— it's not legal to vandalise building things. not legal it's not legal to vandalise bupreventiings. not legal it's not legal to vandalise buprevent people not legal it's not legal to vandalise buprevent people from legal it's not legal to vandalise buprevent people from getting to prevent people from getting to prevent people from getting be be— to prevent people from getting to the hospital— to prevent people from getting to the hospital or— to prevent people from getting to the hospital or to harass beepe— to the hospital or to harass beebbe. se— to the hospital or to harass beebbe. be be— to the hospital or to harass people. so the police should tneb— people. so the police should just-applying— people. so the police should. just-applying-yeahv just be applying the law. yeah, bneee— just be applying the law. yeah, bneee-eb— just be applying the law. yeah, these-of powers- just be applying the law. yeah, these of powers and we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit of powers and we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. of powers and we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. we powers and we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. we firsters and we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. we first had nd we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. we first had iti we've just be applying the law. yeah, thesit all. we first had it with/e had it all. we first had it with the had it all. we first had it with be bebbee— had it all. we first had it with the police crime— had it all. we first had it with the police crime and sentencing bille— the police crime and sentencing bib—deb- the police crime and sentencing bib—deb de- bill, then with this act as ven.— bill, then with this act as well. government, this well. the government, this gevennnenb— government seems intent on bnvbnd— government seems intent on triding—people- government seems intent on trying people from trying to prevent people from bnebeebbnd— trying to prevent people from protesting peacefully passing beve— protesting peacefully passing bane-dent- protesting peacefully passing laws - don't need i laws that they don't need to bnee— laws that they don't need to beeelbnevenb— laws that they don't need to pass prevent kind of pass to prevent the kind of venddben— pass to prevent the kind of vandalism-leo- pass to prevent the kind of vandalism leo talking vandalism that leo is talking ebenb. — vandalism that leo is talking ebenb. and— vandalism that leo is talking about. and-it- vandalism that leo is talking. about. and-it doesn't about. and of course, it doesn't dbveve— about. and of course, it doesn't dvveeedneebv-- about. and of course, it doesn't always-cause that. about. and of course, it doesn't always cause that you always affect the cause that you den-b— always affect the cause that you dent-bene— always affect the cause that you don't-about, right?- don't you care about, right? bne— don't you care about, right? this-problem- don't you care about, right? this problem with this this is the problem with this ebnbb. — this is the problem with this ebnbb. -bne— this is the problem with this stuff.-the labour- stuff. when the labour government- stuff. when the labour government in stuff. when the labour government-in day government back in the day urged the government— government back in the day urged the government to _ government back in the day urged the government to pass these neebnebbene— restrictions on protest after bne— restrictions on protest after the_incident,l restrictions on protest after. the _ incident, they the cable street incident, they named— the cable street incident, they vdnbed be— the cable street incident, they wanted to clamp— the cable street incident, they wanted to clamp down on the far ndnb. — wanted to clamp down on the far right. -legislation_ wanted to clamp down on the far right. legislation was right. that legislation was nbbbnebebv— right. that legislation was ultimately attack the ultimately used to attack the miners-prevent- ultimately used to attack the miners prevent miners miners or to prevent the miners ben— miners or to prevent the miners been bnebeebbnd.— miners or to prevent the miners from protesting. the from protesting. during the bnebenen— from protesting. during the- thatcher—problem thatcher years. so the problem is thatcher years. so the problem be-bnbe— thatcher years. so the problem is-this legislation- thatcher years. so the problem is this legislation in is you put this legislation in dece—

is you put this legislation in bbdeelden-b— is you put this legislation in place, don't where is you put this legislation in- place,-don't-where it's place, you don't know where it's going— place, you don't know where it's gene-ven— place, you don't know where it's gene-ven den-b- place, you don't know where it's going you don't know who going to go. you don't know who it's going to go. you don't know who bb-e—se- going to go. you don't know who bb-e—se b- going to go. you don't know who it's—so i think. it's going to affect. so i think bne— it's going to affect. so i think bne-bbne— it's going to affect. so i think bne-bbne be— it's going to affect. so i think the-line is.should| it's going to affect. so i think. the-line is.should we the bottom line is we should we enenbd— the bottom line is we should we should - peaceful- the bottom line is we should we should peaceful protest in should have peaceful protest in this should have peaceful protest in bnbe eennbnv.— should have peaceful protest in this country. we— should have peaceful protest in this country. we should be dbbeved— this country. we should be allowed peacefully protest allowed to peacefully protest end—e- allowed to peacefully protest end—d bevi allowed to peacefully protest. end—d bev eb and like you said, it's a law of nnbnbended— and like you said, it's a law of unintended consequences. what bbev-be—be- unintended consequences. what bbev-be—be bel they're arguing is going to be, oh, you know, we want to make the streets safer for all. and the streets safer for all. and the that we do that is then the way that we do that is then we that protesters aren't we ensure that protesters aren't allowed to in any shape allowed to disrupt in any shape or is happening or form. what is happening protests disruption. protests is a disruption. absolutely if you look absolutely is. and if you look at outside, it at what's happening outside, it was 30 degrees outside. i'm pro just now you. just stop oil now are you. yeah it's hot. it is still hot. it's too hot. it is still hot. bee— it's too hot. it is still hot. bee neb. — it's too hot. it is still hot. bee neb. en— it's too hot. it is still hot. too hot. on that- c it is still hot. too hot. on that note, let's move on to another question from john- — move on to another question from john- wnene-e— move on to another question from john. where's john?— move on to another question from john. where's john? hi, john. hi bnene. — john. where's john? hi, john. hi bnene. lbbe— john. where's john? hi, john. hi there. .the government- john. where's john? hi, john. hi there. g cb““ “g there. is the government fanning there. is the government fanning the of a culture war? the flames of a culture war? this interesting one. so this is an interesting one. so oxford university have “ v?" so oxford university have appointed a oxford university have appointed d—bebbdb- a new professor of lgbtq+ nbebenv— a new professor of lgbtq+ nbebenv .— a new professor of lgbtq+ nbebenv . and— a new professor of lgbtq+ history . and this professor is history. and this professor is a guy— history. and this professor is a guy ceded— history. and this professor is a guy called matt— history. and this professor is a guy called matt cook. he has eeeed— guy called matt cook. he has deeeed bne— guy called matt cook. he has accused the government of bdnnbnd— accused the government of bdnnbnd d— accused the government of fanning a culture war, saying bneee-e— fanning a culture war, saying bneee-e ne— fanning a culture war, saying there's no problem whatsoever vbbn—ebeeen- there's no problem whatsoever with _ speech on - with freedom of speech on nnbveeebbv— with freedom of speech on- university _which with freedom of speech on- ur really y_which with freedom of speech on ur really interesting which with freedom of speech on ur really interesting because 'hich with freedom of speech on urreally interesting because of:h is really interesting because of course, we saw kathleen course, we all saw kathleen sbeeb— course, we all saw kathleen sbeeb bdeb— course, we all saw kathleen stock last week— course, we all saw kathleen stock last week give her a talk dnd— stock last week give her a talk

dnd dbb— stock last week give her a talk and all those— stock last week give her a talk and all those people outside eeeednbnd— and all those people outside screaming—to- and all those people outside screaming to shut and all those people outside- screaming_to shut her screaming and trying to shut her up screaming and trying to shut her dbleeneene— screaming and trying to shut her up someone glueing herself to up, someone glueing herself to the up, someone glueing herself to be ebdde— up, someone glueing herself to be ebdge deed— up, someone glueing herself to the stage area. and of course , the stage area. and of course, ndbnbeen— the stage area. and of course, kathleen stock— the stage area. and of course, kathleen stock is— the stage area. and of course, kathleen stock is an example. sne— kathleen stock is an example. sne vvde— kathleen stock is an example. she was driven— kathleen stock is an example. she was driven out of the dnbveeebbv— she was driven out of the university sussex . that university of sussex. that deeen-b— university of sussex. that doesn't strike _ university of sussex. that doesn't strike me as a particularly- doesn't strike me as a- particularly-speech particularly pro free speech beebbben.— particularly pro free speech position. -and - particularly pro free speech position. and she's just position. yeah. and she's just enelndnv— position. yeah. and she's just one many examples of speech one of many examples of speech bebnd— one of many examples of speech bend-en— one of many examples of speech being-on campus. - one of many examples of speech being-on campus. i. being restricted on campus. i mean—feminist. being restricted on campus. i. mean _feminist film mean, there's the feminist film that cancelled from being that was cancelled from being shown at edinburgh, edinburgh, edinburgh university, and i mean the government and people on the, on the right are conservatives, are accused of, you know, fighting this culture war. honestly we're not we're responding to crazy stuff that's happening . and you know, i think happening. and you know, i think i think some of the stuff like, you know, drag queens or sexualised performance is for children, you know, a naked sexual for children. that's something that, you know, has to be reacted to and has to be. we try and stop it from happening because it's a terrible idea. we're not starting this war. we're not starting this war. we're not starting this war. we're not we're not making these people put on these sexualised performances. so that's a really bnbeeeebbnd— performances. so that's a really interesting point.— performances. so that's a really interesting point. is— performances. so that's a really interesting point. islso- interesting point. is it so ebbeebbvebv— interesting point. is it sol

effectively _this effectively you've got this ebbndbben— effectively you've got this situation where, you know, ven-db— situation where, you know, ven-vb ndve— situation where, you know, you'll have these protesters not tneb— just protesting, but trying to end— just protesting, but trying to ennb—bdndbndi just protesting, but trying to- shut_banging drums, shut people up, banging drums, brevenbbnd— shut people up, banging drums, preventing—from - shut people up, banging drums, preventing from being preventing the person from being bedd— preventing the person from being heard—alarms,- heard, setting off fire alarms, vou— heard, setting off fire alarms, ven bnev— heard, setting off fire alarms, ven bnev .— heard, setting off fire alarms, ven bnev , gend— heard, setting off fire alarms, you know , going beyond you know, going beyond what bedeebnb— you know, going beyond what bedeebnb-be— you know, going beyond what bedeebnb-be .- you know, going beyond what peaceful is , harassing peaceful protest is, harassing in some cases, like at let in some cases, like at the let eeedb— in some cases, like at the let women speak thing, you've had beebbe— women speak thing, you've had beebbe-bnvebedbbv- people actually physically deednbbbnd— people actually physically- assaulting—gaines assaulting people. riley gaines at assaulting people. riley gaines db—debndbbv- at a university was actually bnvebedbbv— at a university was actually physically that's at a university was actually- physically-that's not physically assaulted. that's not beebeeb— physically assaulted. that's not beebeeb-bnev— physically assaulted. that's not protest _they - say, - physically assaulted. that's not protest they say, you protest. and they will say, you knew,— protest. and they will say, you knew, bndb— protest. and they will say, you know, that we're _ protest. and they will say, you know, that we're starting a enbbnee— know, that we're starting a culture - saying, - know, that we're starting a culture saying, hang on know, that we're starting a- culture-saying, hang on a culture war by saying, hang on a nbnnbe— culture war by saying, hang on a nbnnbeledn-b— culture war by saying, hang on a minute,-can't.that. - culture war by saying, hang on a minute, can't that. but minute, you can't do that. but neee—be- minute, you can't do that. but v—eebe bneni we're just responding to them vne— we're just responding to them vne-bdeb,— we're just responding to them who _fact, the- we're just responding to them who fact, the culture who are, in fact, the culture warriors. well,— who are, in fact, the culture warriors. well, the- who are, in fact, the culture warriors. �*fvbicc 99.vi; who are, in fact, the culture warriors. well, the issue is people think it's right versus left, isn't. left, but it actually isn't. it's do power and every it's to do with power and every side that has power limits freedom of speech. so if you think about right the think about the right in the 80s, america, if 80s, particularly in america, if you think about the stand up comedians were pushing comedians that were pushing back on hicks, the on that, the bill hicks, the george they were george carlin's, they were criticising religious right, criticising the religious right, but liberal but now it's the liberal left. well, they're not liberal at all. they're, as we all know , all. they're, as we all know, completely are completely illiberal. they are the ones who have the cultural power and dominance, particularly at universities. so they're ones pushing out. i they're the ones pushing out. i mean, interesting mean, it's interesting to deny that problem free that there's a problem with free

speech campus because, yes, speech on campus because, yes, it's that many people it's true that not many people are no platform , are disinvited or no platform, but because it's a kind but that's because it's a kind of thing. right. of pre—emptive thing. right. because that of pre—emptive thing. right.l because—that people because the fact is that people den-b— because the fact is that people den-b bnvbbe— because the fact is that people don't invite people because they knew— don't invite people because they knew bnev-ee — don't invite people because they know they're just— don't invite people because they know they're just to get know they're just going to get edneebbed— know they're just going to get cancelled _yeah, - know they're just going to get cancelled _yeah, it'si cancelled anyway. yeah, it's bne— cancelled anyway. yeah, it's like purges. like stalin's purges. you only you need execute a few you only need to execute a few people the rest of the people for the rest of the people for the rest of the people not to to cause people not to not to cause a fuss. yeah. by the way, i'm dubbed.— fuss. yeah. by the way, i'm dubbed. bbbe— fuss. yeah. by the way, i'm gutted. like i've— “43?" by the way, i'm gutted. like i've been to loads of universities— gutted. like i've been to loads of universities to— gutted. like i've been to loads of universities to give talks. no of universities to give talks. be ene— of universities to give talks. no one ever protests. they don't bb-e— no one ever protests. they don't bb-e d— no one ever protests. they don't bb-e d-b— no one ever protests. they don't care. it's a-i want- no one ever protests. they don't care. it's a-i want a- no one ever protests. they don't care. it's a i want a bit care. it's a shame. i want a bit of care. it's a shame. i want a bit eb bbdb— care. it's a shame. i want a bit of that, though. _ care. it's a shame. i want a bit of that, though. like quite of that, though. like i quite bne— of that, though. like i quite likelstalker. _ of that, though. like i quite likelstalker. you- of that, though. like i quite like stalker. /viv. v2viv /viv. of that, though. like i quite like stalker. /vix. v2viv /vix. like a stalker. you do. you want someone at least a little bit of pritt stick just rolling on the carpet. know, a token carpet. you know, it's a token gesture, mate. just come on. you knew.— gesture, mate. just come on. you knew-ndeedde— gesture, mate. just come on. you knew-ndeedde-ede- gesture, mate. just come on. youi know,-massage-ego here. gesture, mate. just come on. you. know,-massage-ego here. know, help massage my ego here. i know, help massage my ego here. b-ebbgbbbv— know, help massage my ego here. i-slightly significant. - i feel slightly significant. okay final question okay our final question now for the moment from elliott. the moment is from elliott. hello, elliott. is it acceptable?- hello, elliott. is it acceptable? for me to acceptable? acceptable for me to enjoy— acceptable? acceptable for me to enjoylpub_ acceptable? acceptable for me to entevlbnb nedb— acceptable? acceptable for me to enjoy pub meal naked? no. enjoy a pub meal naked? no. dubbe— enjoy a pub meal naked? no. adobe-ven— enjoy a pub meal naked? no. elliott,-you asking?- enjoy a pub meal naked? no. i elliott,-you asking? are elliott, why are you asking? are you kind of thing to you into this kind of thing to ask? that's not true . naturists ask? that's not true. naturists well, basically, apparently, i didn't know this. it's legal. it is legal to walk around naked as long as there's no sexual context to that. so no. and

these this this was a pair of naturist shorts. they went to a pub and they were they were told to leave. is that right? pub and they were they were told to leave. is that right ? they to leave. is that right? they were told to leave this pub because they were sitting there naked. it actually feels that seems to me. think of the seems right to me. think of the bnbnb— seems right to me. think of the bnbnb eb— seems right to me. think of the bnbnb eb bne— seems right to me. think of the think of the mark— seems right to me. think of the think of the mark that's- ” g“ think of the think of the mark that's going to think of the mark that's going be bedve— think of the mark that's going be bedve en— think of the mark that's going to leave on the— think of the mark that's going to leave on the leather sofa. i b— to leave on the leather sofa. i b den-b— to leave on the leather sofa. i mean, i don't want- to leave on the leather sofa. i mean, i don't want to sit in bndb— mean, i don't want to sit in bndb eebd— mean, i don't want to sit in that sofa after. _ mean, i don't want to sit in that sofa after. i- mean, i don't want to sit in that sofa after. i don't even bne— that sofa after. i don't even bbbe dend— that sofa after. i don't even like usinglbench- that sofa after. i don't even like using bench at the gym like using a bench at the gym dbbee— like using a bench at the gym after somebody's_ like using a bench at the gym after somebody's been that. after somebody's been on that. and—vednnd- and that person is wearing enene. — and that person is wearing enene. okay-— and that person is wearing shorts. okay. but- and that person is wearing shorts. okay. but apparently when the pub, when they turned up at the pub, the why this has become the reason why this has become a new story is because loads of diners then gave the pub really bad reviews because they let diners then gave the pub really bad naked s because they let diners then gave the pub really bad naked couple se they let diners then gave the pub really bad naked couple in.they let diners then gave the pub really bad naked couple in. yeah,et diners then gave the pub really bad naked couple in. yeah, but this naked couple in. yeah, but if it's legal then they can't really rid of them. will. it really get rid of them. will. it depends really get rid of them. will. it debende-deed— really get rid of them. will. it depends-good someone. really get rid of them. will. it. depends-good someone looks depends how good someone looks vnen—ved-bel when they're naked. so you're saying— when they're naked. so you're saying bbdb— when they're naked. so you're saying that were put off when they're naked. so you're sayinfood.t were put off when they're naked. so you're sayinfood. yeah, were put off when they're naked. so you're sayinfood. yeah, exactly put off when they're naked. so you're sayinfood. yeah, exactly . t off their food. yeah, exactly. yeah. okay. you know, their food. yeah, exactly. - yeah. okay. you know, because ven-ee— yeah. okay. you know, because ven-be neb— yeah. okay. you know, because ven-e neb gend— yeah. okay. you know, because you're not going to want to eat vene— you're not going to want to eat vene bdbe— you're not going to want to eat vene bdbe db— you're not going to want to eat your pate if you're— you're not going to want to eat your pate if you're looking over dnd— your pate if you're looking over and someone in— your pate if you're looking over and someone in front of you beeke— and someone in front of you beebe bne— and someone in front of you looks like they're made out of bdbe. — looks like they're made out of bdbe. _webb— looks like they're made out of bdbe. _webb .— looks like they're made out of pate. _well , the- looks like they're made out of pate. well , the problem looks like they're made out of pate.that well , the problem looks like they're made out of pate.that iswell , the problem looks like they're made out of pate.that is it's. , the problem looks like they're made out of pate.that is it's. , veryiiroblem with that is it's a very subjective _ with that is it's a very subjective thing, isn't it? \vviv subjective thing, isn't it? no, it's subjective thing, isn't it? no, we neb. vb— subjective thing, isn't it? no, it's not. it really— subjective thing, isn't it? \vviv . it really isn't.

it's not. it really isn't. beebbe— it's not. it really isn't. neebbe edv— it's not. it really isn't. people say like,- c it really isn't. people say like, you know, if eenebedv— people say like, you know, if eenebedv be— people say like, you know, if somebody is ripped and looks bne— somebody is ripped and looks bbbe d— somebody is ripped and looks bbbe d neev— somebody is ripped and looks like a greek god,— somebody is ripped and looks like a greek god, they look good . if like a greek god, they look good in eenebedv— like a greek god, they look good ..if somebody-like- . and if somebody looks like bnev-ee— . and if somebody looks like bnev-ee-eb- . and if somebody looks like. they're-of play—doh, they're made out of play—doh, bnev— they're made out of play—doh, bnev-beeb— they're made out of play—doh, they-look-think| they don't look good. i think it's they don't look good. i think we dn— they don't look good. i think we dn-vbdb— they don't look good. i think it's an what do you think it's an old what do you think about this one? you think about this one? do you think that we should just ban nudity in well i mean, kind in public? well i mean, it kind of quite banned. of socially is quite banned. yeah, it is. i mean, unless ven-ee— yeah, it is. i mean, unless ven-veld— yeah, it is. i mean, unless you're-a specific- yeah, it is. i mean, unless you're a specific parade, you're in a specific parade, bne— you're in a specific parade, bbbe db— you're in a specific parade, like if you're— you're in a specific parade, like if you're in— you're in a specific parade, like if you're in a pride bedde— like if you're in a pride parade, then,- like if you're in a pride parade, then, you know, it's fine.— parade, then, you know, it's fine. .absolutely- parade, then, you know, it's fine. absolutely yeah fine. it's absolutely fine. yeah a celebration.— fine. it's absolutely fine. yeah a celebration. think generally a celebration. i think generally you a celebration. i think generally ven-tneb— a celebration. i think generally ven-tneblbe— a celebration. i think generally ven-tneblbe-dndi you can't just go to marks and sbeneee-e— you can't just go to marks and spencer's—aroundl spencer's and wander around dedggbng— spencer's and wander around dedggbng d— spencer's and wander around dragging a tackle through the edndvben— dragging a tackle through the sandwich aisle.— dragging a tackle through the sandwich aisle. that's radix sandwich aisle. that's well, bbebe-e— sandwich aisle. that's well, bbebe-e d— sandwich aisle. that's well, there's a hygiene issue. there isn't. there more than isn't. there is. more than anything. yeah well, anything. yeah okay. well, i think we've that. let's think we've solved that. let's move next up on free speech move on. next up on free speech nafion move on. next up on free speech nation , latest the row nation, the latest on the row between hampshire police and we are fair cop over an online posting of a flag. there's a bit more to it though and we'll explain in about three explain all in about three minutes time.

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oh welcome back to free speech nation. so around this time last veer.— nation. so around this time last vedn ve— nation. so around this time last year, we featured— nation. so around this time last year, we featured a— \v so around this time last year, we featured a story on the enev— year, we featured a story on the enev dbenb— year, we featured a story on the enev dbenb d— year, we featured a story on the show about a man— year, we featured a story on the show about a man being arrested by ndnbenbee— show about a man being arrested by hampshire police for posting a contentious— by hampshire police for posting a contentious flag online , and a contentious flag online, and the a contentious flag online, and be bndde— a contentious flag online, and be bndde bn— a contentious flag online, and the image in question arranges for the image in question arranges bee degree.— the image in question arranges for progress. pride flags begebnee— for progress. pride flags together in— for progress. pride flags together in such a way as to ndve— together in such a way as to ndbe bnen— together in such a way as to make them resemble a swastika. ndnv— make them resemble a swastika. ndnv bdbbbee— make them resemble a swastika. harry miller was— make them resemble a swastika. harry miller was also arrested for obstructing— harry miller was also arrested for obstructing the police, and bneee— for obstructing the police, and those arrested _ for obstructing the police, and those arrested have recently eeeebved— those arrested have recently received two _ those arrested have recently received two letters. the first was an acknowledgement that the dneeeb— was an acknowledgement that the dneeeb ndv— was an acknowledgement that the dneeeb ndv neb— was an acknowledgement that the arrests may not have been enbbeebv— arrests may not have been entirely lawful— arrests may not have been entirely lawful and that the bebbee— entirely lawful and that the bebbee vbbb— entirely lawful and that the police will accept claims for compensation.— police will accept claims for compensation. the second bnebebed— compensation. the second insisted that— compensation. the second insisted that posting the flag eenbd— insisted that posting the flag eenbd ebbbb— insisted that posting the flag could still be— insisted that posting the flag could still be a— insisted that posting the flag could still be a criminal ebbenee— could still be a criminal offence if— could still be a criminal offence if it— could still be a criminal offence if it causes anxiety. so to offence if it causes anxiety. so be dbeenee— offence if it causes anxiety. so to discuss this,— offence if it causes anxiety. so to discuss this, please welcome eb— to discuss this, please welcome eb bneee— to discuss this, please welcome one of those arrested at the dne— one of those arrested at the time, former— one of those arrested at the time, former police officer ndnv— time, former police officer ndnv nbbben— time, former police officer harry miller, and the lawyer sdedn— harry miller, and the lawyer sarah phillimore, who . i'm going sarah phillimore, who. i'm going to sarah phillimore, who. i'm going be eene— sarah phillimore, who. i'm going be be— sarah phillimore, who. i'm going be be ven— sarah phillimore, who. i'm going to come to you first. “ so to come to you first. sarah. so bneee-e— to come to you first. sarah. so bneee-e debe— to come to you first. sarah. so there's lots of— to come to you first. sarah. so there's lots of things— to come to you first. “ so there's lots of things online bndb— there's lots of things online bndb edee— there's lots of things online that cause me— there's lots of things online

that cause me anxiety. most of the that cause me anxiety. most of be beebbe— that cause me anxiety. most of be beebbe vne— that cause me anxiety. most of the people who tweet me actually on the people who tweet me actually en d ddbbv— the people who tweet me actually on a daily basis— the people who tweet me actually on a daily basis cause me dneeb.— on a daily basis cause me dnvbebv. se— on a daily basis cause me anxiety. so can- on a daily basis cause me anxiety. so can i get them all dneebede — anxiety. so can i get them all arrested? and— anxiety. so can i get them all arrested? and well,- anxiety. so can i get them all arrested? “2 arrested? and well, apparently if you do something that the police don't like, then yes. and that's the danger , isn't it? and that's the danger, isn't it? neee— and that's the danger, isn't it? beedneeieb— and that's the danger, isn't it? because-of these- and that's the danger, isn't it? because of these laws because all of these laws i bne— because all of these laws i mean, this was— because all of these laws i mean, this was the communications act 2003 that ndnv— communications act 2003 that ndnv vvde— communications act 2003 that harry was threatened with all bneee— harry was threatened with all. these—massive these laws predate the massive nee— these laws predate the massive eb— these laws predate the massive eb bne— these laws predate the massive rise of the internet. so what deb— rise of the internet. so what oeb nev— rise of the internet. so what we've got now is— rise of the internet. so what we've got now is the ability to eeden— we've got now is the ability to reach millions— we've got now is the ability to reach millions of— we've got now is the ability to reach millions of people. ndnv-e— reach millions of people. harry's tweet,— reach millions of people. harry's tweet, where he bdebedbbv— harry's tweet, where he basically said, come and arrest bn— basically said, come and arrest b-n beebbnd— basically said, come and arrest me. i'm posting picture me. i'm posting the picture dddbn.— me. i'm posting the picture again-million. me. i'm posting the picture- again. _million views. again. i've got a million views. even— again. i've got a million views. even booe— again. i've got a million views. over 7000 people— again. i've got a million views. over 7000 people liked it. bnenednde— over 7000 people liked it. thousands of— over 7000 people liked it. thousands of people retweeted it. thousands of people retweeted bb. lb— thousands of people retweeted bb. lb bnbnb— thousands of people retweeted it..| think-puts- thousands of people retweeted it. i think puts the it. so i think this puts the bebbee— it. so i think this puts the bebbeeld— it. so i think this puts the police-a really- it. so i think this puts the police a really interesting police in a really interesting beebbben— police in a really interesting beebbben .— police in a really interesting beebbben . ane— police in a really interesting position . are going to position. are they going to dneeb— position. are they going to arrest everybody who liked it or eebveebed— arrest everybody who liked it or retweeted it?— arrest everybody who liked it or retweeted it? yes— arrest everybody who liked it or retweeted it? yes these laws are not retweeted it? yes these laws are neb tb— retweeted it? yes these laws are neb bbblbnebeee— retweeted it? yes these laws are not fit purpose because not fit for purpose because bnevbe— not fit for purpose because bnev-ee very— not fit for purpose because they're very much directed dddbneb— they're very much directed dodbneb dn— they're very much directed against an individual who's bebnd— against an individual who's being harassed— against an individual who's being harassed . against an individual who's- being harassed . .we should being harassed. and we should say, that you posted that say, harry, that you posted that for reason. this meme for a reason. i mean, this meme has doing the rounds has been doing the rounds for years and years and years. it was. and someone posted it and got whereas know, got arrested. whereas you know, the others people got arrested. whereas you know, the posted others people got arrested. whereas you know, the posted it others people got arrested. whereas you know, the posted it didn'tiers people got arrested. whereas you know, the posted it didn't get people who posted it didn't get arrested. you were making arrested. so you were making a point, weren't you? that's

exactly. mean, _ point, weren't you? that's exactly. mean, the - . vix.7 that's exactly mean, the police exactly i mean, the police deeded— exactly i mean, the police argued bn— exactly i mean, the police argued in this— exactly i mean, the police argued in this famed second bebbee— argued in this famed second bebbee bndb— argued in this famed second letter that the— argued in this famed second letter that the fact that the argued in this famed second letter veteran, fact that the argued in this famed second letter veteran, when hat the argued in this famed second letter veteran, when he the argued in this famed second letter veteran, when he posted army veteran, when he posted it, put army veteran, when he posted it, bub bneee— army veteran, when he posted it, bub bneoee—bne- army veteran, when he posted it, put trigger the post put trigger warning on the post bndb— put trigger warning on the post bndb bnbe— put trigger warning on the post bndb bnbe bn— put trigger warning on the post that this in itself— put trigger warning on the post that this in itself was evidence of that this in itself was evidence eb nbe— that this in itself was evidence eb nbe-nbnd— that this in itself was evidence of his mind because of his guilty mind because dnvbedv— of his guilty mind because dnvbedv-be— of his guilty mind because anybody is what they put in anybody this is what they put in the anybody this is what they put in bne- — anybody this is what they put in bne- b— anybody this is what they put in bne- bb ven— anybody this is what they put in bne- bbved bub- anybody this is what they put in the- if you put trigger. the letter. if you put trigger warning on something that proves that you knew that was that you knew that it was offensive, therefore you are guilty. you know that is guilty. now you know that is patent nonsense. i know that is patent nonsense. i know that is patent nonsense. i know that is patent nonsense. what i did patent nonsense. so what i did was the chief constable the was sent the chief constable the exact image. i said , i exact same image. i said, i understand that you are personally anxiety personally caused anxiety by this. that's why i'm sending it. and i intend to post it. i intend to put it up on our twitter feed throughout the entire pride . come entire holy month of pride. come and arrest me if you want to. but of course they won't do because whilst they're very happy to pick on the small person , if you like members of person, if you like members of the public, they won't pick on somebody who's as bolshie as i am and who's got the fantastic backup of sarah phillimore. well, let's . so i should. oh, well, let's. so i should. oh, bneee— well, let's. so i should. oh, bneee ve— well, let's. so i should. oh, bneee we de— well, let's. so i should. oh, bneee we 90 . — well, let's. so i should. oh, there we go . we- well, let's. so i should. oh, there we go . �*vvv�*vi; 2 well, let's. so i should. oh,- there we go . we should probably there we go. we should probably just clarify fair cop. what does

fair cop just clarify fair cop. what does bdb eeb dee— just clarify fair cop. what does fair cop do? this— just clarify fair cop. what does fair cop do? this is— just clarify fair cop. what does fair cop do? this is your- fair cop do? this is your organisation. - fair cop do? this is your organisation. radix fair cop do? this is your organisation. �*fvbix ” fair cop do? this is your organisation. radix ” organisation. well, fair cop exists in order to challenge police overreach where the police overreach where the police stretch the law to the point that it's no longer credible, which is what they've done with the communications act . and that act was designed to stop people sending gross images to former friends. et cetera . to former friends. et cetera. with the purpose of upsetting them. ex—boyfriends ex girlfriends, etcetera. it wasn't designed for this. so fair cop has said we will we will hold police forces to account and lately what we're doing when the police pick on somebody, we look and go , that isn't an offence. and go, that isn't an offence. so our mo now is to put a massive target on our own backs and say we're doing it. come and arrest us. but they won't because they can't stand the fact that if they did that we would have them out in court and i'd have their pants down. but then if they are, if it's- then if they are, if it's about denbbe— then if they are, if it's about double standards, they're bnevbe— double standards, they're they're willing to go after beebbe— they're willing to go after beebbe vne— they're willing to go after people who can't defend themselves.— people who can't defend themselves. not people who can't defend. themselves.-not-fair people who can't defend- themselves. .not-fair cop themselves. but not not fair cop dom-t— themselves. but not not fair cop

doesn-t-go— themselves. but not not fair cop doesn-t-go to- themselves. but not not fair cop doesn't-go to show- doesn't that just go to show that— doesn't that just go to show that-not— doesn't that just go to show that not applying the that they're not applying the law. — that they're not applying the law. wen— that they're not applying the law. well exactly.- that they're not applying the law. will cxeemq ' z that they're not applying the law. will clkifiwlg ' z law. well exactly. and i think harry's effective harry's got a very effective strategy requires being strategy and it requires being brave. it requires taking that risk will be arrested or risk that he will be arrested or i will arrested or i'll be i will be arrested or i'll be disbarred. both think disbarred. but we both think that risk is worth taking, that that risk is worth taking, because happening because what's happening is really frightening. because what's happening is realeolice frightening. because what's happening is realeolice are frightening. because what's happening is realeolice are acting.ening. the police are acting. i've always as effectively the police are acting. i've athe s as effectively the police are acting. i've athe private as effectively the police are acting. i've athe private militiaeffectively the police are acting. i've athe private militia for:tively . the private militia for a particular ideology, which i don't think has any basis in fact or law or reason, which is a definite safeguarding risk to children. we have to be able to talk about it, to mock it, to be offensive about it. these are not criminal offences. these are part of a very urgent and necessary public debate. can i ask you what the law- necessary public debate. can i ask you what the law is- cg wt. : can i ask you what the law is on this? so ask you what the law is on this? so for— ask you what the law is on this? so for instance,— ask you what the law is on this? so for instance, could someone post— so for instance, could someone post an— so for instance, could someone post an actual— so for instance, could someone post an actual swastika flag on on“...— post an actual swastika flag on on“... or— post an actual swastika flag on on“... or is— post an actual swastika flag on online or is that— post an actual swastika flag on online or is that considered? wen.— online or is that considered? wen. if— online or is that considered? well, if somebody— online or is that considered? well, if somebody reports you to the police, even though perception based hate crime recording is supposed to be a dead yes. if somebody dead letter. yes. if somebody said i find that offensive said i find that very offensive because having a go at me because it was having a go at me for being i think the for being trans, i think the police would probably jump into action, do something because this they've doing

action, do something because thisyears they've doing action, do something because thisyears now1ey've doing action, do something because thisyears now without doing action, do something because thisyears now without properng for years now without proper challenge until harry came along. because my understanding is that— along. because my understanding is that-this— along. because my understanding is that-this image,— 3 because my understanding is that this image, you can is that this this image, you can see-people- is that this this image, you can see-people would. is that this this image, you can see people would find see why some people would find it , see why some people would find it-, right?— see why some people would find it-, right? because- it offensive, right? because n-s— it offensive, right? because ifs-ifs— it offensive, right? because ifs-ifs not— it offensive, right? because it's it's not someone it's but it's not someone posting— it's but it's not someone posting swastika. they're posting a swastika. they're trying— posting a swastika. they're trying-a- posting a swastika. they're trying-a point,- posting a swastika. they're trying a point, a trying to make a point, a satirical— trying to make a point, a satirical point— trying to make a point, a satirical point about the authoritarian _ satirical point about the authoritarian excesses of the trans— authoritarian excesses of the trans movement— authoritarian excesses of the trans movement by many people who— trans movement by many people wholrespect— trans movement by many people whoirespect and— trans movement by many people who respect and admire, that who i respect and admire, that they— who i respect and admire, that they find— who i respect and admire, that they find the— who i respect and admire, that they find the posting of any iconography— they find the posting of any iconography deeply offensive. right.— iconography deeply offensive. right. and— iconography deeply offensive. right. and .— iconography deeply offensive. right. and i understand- iconography deeply offensive. right. and i understand what they are saying . many of them they are saying. many of them make references to trivialising the holocaust . i understand what the holocaust. i understand what they are saying , but the holocaust. i understand what they are saying, but i'm afraid i reject this idea that we cannot make the link between current authoritarianism and past authoritarianism. now i thought the swastika image was a very visually striking graphic that said so economically better than words could say. this we are under the thumb of a totalitarian regime , and i think totalitarian regime, and i think that's worth saying and worth discussing. and if somebody finds it offensive, kyiv, that's sad for them . um, but that is sad for them. um, but that is their issue . us is the problem.

their issue. us is the problem. harry— their issue. us is the problem. harry a— their issue. us is the problem. rrrry a bir— their issue. us is the problem. harry a hr of— their issue. us is the problem. harry a bit of literal- harry a bit of literal mindedness here is that people see mindedness here is that people rrrr— mindedness here is that people see that image— mindedness here is that people see that image and they assume rrrr— see that image and they assume rrrrr you-re— see that image and they assume that you're supporting or somerrrrrg— that you're supporting or something that. yeah, well something like that. yeah, well , mar-s— something like that. yeah, well , mm a— something like that. yeah, well , that's a wilful— something like that. yeah, well , that's a wilful choice to do rrrrr. — , that's a wilful choice to do rrrrr. -rr-s- , that's a wilful choice to do. that. _it's ahistorical. that. and also it's ahistorical. people are wrong if they equate the whole of with the period 1942 to 45 and the gas chambers, was around from the 1920s and that's the time in the 1920s, in the 1930, in the late 1930. that's the time to call it out because by the time you get to genocide and the gas chambers, it's too late. and that's what we're doing now. we're saying that the imagery that we're seeing now is very is too light. it's too like the imagery that we saw in 1920s germany and 1930 germany. and why should we not be able to make that comparison now? because if the only lesson you learn from is that the holocaust is bad , then you're holocaust is bad, then you're stupid because there are so many more lessons than that to be learned. what is it about the gender— learned. what is it about the gender identity— : what is it about the gender identity ideology movement that you find to be totalitarian, _ movement that you find to be totalitarian, or— movement that you find to be totalitarian, or would you rrsrrry— totalitarian, or would you

rrsrrry rrrr— totalitarian, or would you justify that kind of comparison? wen,— justify that kind of comparison? wen, rrrsr— justify that kind of comparison? well, first first— justify that kind of comparison? well, first first first of all, traditional— well, first first first of all, traditional is— well, first first first of all, traditional is not gender rdeorogy— traditional is not gender rreorogy .— traditional is not gender ideology , but- traditional is not gender ideology , but it is an identity ideology, but it is an identity rdeorogy— ideology, but it is an identity rreorogy . — ideology, but it is an identity rreorogy. ere— ideology, but it is an identity ideology. erg so- ideology, but it is an identity ideology . k ideology, but it is an identity ideology . 3c grit». ideology, but it is an identity ideology . 3c gt». ideology. erg so we've got that . we've got the capture of the police within the fascist state of germany. we've got the capture of schools within the fascist state of germany. we've got a proliferation of insignia and flags such to such an extent that people feel that resistance is utterly futile. now, when we get the high court comparing the police to the gestapo, yes . then police to the gestapo, yes. then i think we have it on very good authority that the direction of travel is toward fascism . and travel is toward fascism. and that's interesting,— travel is toward fascism. and that's interesting, isn't- that's interesting, isn't it, srrrm— that's interesting, isn't it, sarah? because, you know, you rememerb reer— sarah? because, you know, you remember last year on regent sneer,— remember last year on regent srreer, rr— remember last year on regent street, it was— remember last year on regent street, it was covered in these progress, — street, it was covered in these pregreee, pree— street, it was covered in these progress, pride flags in this ream,— progress, pride flags in this rearry, rearry— progress, pride flags in this really, really militaristic fashion.— really, really militaristic fashion. it— really, really militaristic fashion. it felt you fashion. it felt like you eeurerr-r— fashion. it felt like you. couldn't—flag couldn't escape this flag anywhere. — couldn't escape this flag. anywhere. - pointed couldn't escape this flag- anywhere. _pointed out anywhere. and as i pointed out at anywhere. and as i pointed out arm...— anywhere. and as i pointed out .r-rrme, e— anywhere. and as i pointed out .r-rrme, e rer— anywhere. and as i pointed out at-time, a lot-gay- anywhere. and as i pointed out at time, a lot gay people at the time, a lot of gay people reer— at the time, a lot of gay people reer-rrrer— at the time, a lot of gay people feel-that flag— at the time, a lot of gay people feel-that flag is- at the time, a lot of gay people feel-that flag is an- feel that that flag is an err—gey— feel that that flag is an anti—gay symbol. and lot of anti—gay symbol. and a lot of women-rear— anti—gay symbol. and a lot of women .that-a- women feel that it's a misogynistic- women feel that it's a. misogynistic-so women feel that it's a- misogynistic-so surely misogynistic symbol. so surely we misogynistic symbol. so surely rye-re— misogynistic symbol. so surely rye-re be— misogynistic symbol. so surely we-to be able— misogynistic symbol. so surely we-to be able to- misogynistic symbol. so surely we to be able to mock that we have to be able to mock that or er— we have to be able to mock that or er-rreve— we have to be able to mock that

or er-rreve e— we have to be able to mock that or at have a discussion or at least have a discussion aberr— or at least have a discussion ebeur r.— or at least have a discussion about it. well,— or at least have a discussion about it. well, exactly. " about it. well, exactly. i mean, rrrr— about it. well, exactly. i mean, that we— about it. well, exactly. i mean, that wher— about it. well, exactly. i mean, that was what set the apart, was their propaganda. they their use of propaganda. they were very well, i wouldn't say skilled propagandists, actually, because just so because some of it was just so crude revolting. but crude and revolting. but it worked. i looked those worked. and i looked at those flags just felt absolutely flags and i just felt absolutely chilled we chilled because my father, we won't reasons why i was won't go into reasons why i was very in whole of very interested in the whole of the history. it was so the history. and it was so reminiscent of the books that he had and the streets covered with flags. as harry it's about flags. as harry said, it's about an identity overwhelming you with power of the regime. with the power of the regime. but ultimately, the police ereurer-r— but ultimately, the police shouldn't be _ but ultimately, the police shouldn't be taking an ideological— shouldn't be taking an ideological stance, right? shouldn't be taking an ideolo»notl stance, right? shouldn't be taking an ideolo»notl stanjob. tight? shouldn't be taking an ideolo»notl stanjob. of|t? shouldn't be taking an ideolo»notl stanjob. of course that's not their job. of course rr-e— that's not their job. of course we rer— that's not their job. of course it's not their— that's not their job. of course it's not their job. _ that's not their job. of course it's not their job. '»: that's not their job. of course it's not their job. ' r: that's not their job. of course it's not their job. '»: it's not theirjob. and as harry always they police with always says, they police with consent. only consent. the police can only operate us trust and operate if most of us trust and respect them and think they're doing a good job. when that tips and tipping now, you know, and it's tipping now, you know, look middle aged lawyer look at me, a middle aged lawyer . don't trust the police. now . i don't trust the police. now now, somebody put a brick now, if somebody put a brick through terf through my window with terf written it, i would not trust written on it, i would not trust the police to deal with me fairly. so once the police lose , is the middle class bourgeoisie , they're in deep bourgeoisie, they're in deep trouble because how are they

actually going to do their jobs? they our consent, our they rely on our consent, our trust respect. and by trust and our respect. and by being so partial towards one minority, they're losing it . minority, they're losing it. and do you think, harry, and doyyou think, harry, just and do you think, harry, just finery,— and do you think, harry, just rrnerry, rear— and do you think, harry, just finally, that the— and do you think, harry, just finally, that the police it's serr— finally, that the police it's eerr er— finally, that the police it's eerr or gene— finally, that the police it's sort of gone there too far eepruree — sort of gone there too far captured-this- sort of gone there too far. captured .this _that sort of gone there too far- captured .this _that we captured at this point, that we een-r— captured at this point, that we een-r rearry— captured at this point, that we een-r rearry ger— captured at this point, that we can't really get this back in order — can't really get this back in order? well,— can't really get this back in order? well, i— can't really get this back in order? �*fr�*»t;.. can't really get this back in order? "

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this. join us. here on. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle later on in the show, i'm going to be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel, leo kearse and frances foster. we're going to and frances foster. we're going re mem— and frances foster. we're going re mem yer— and frances foster. we're going re mem you dear— and frances foster. we're going to help you deal with- at�*»: f we're going to help you deal with your unfiltered— to help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. so please emer— unfiltered dilemmas. so please emerr-vrewe— email us at gb views cbnnews.com. and we'll do our beer— cbnnews.com. and we'll do our beer-your— cbnnews.com. and we'll do our best your problems . cbnnews.com. and we'll do our. best-your problems . so best to answer your problems. so rememew , me— best to answer your problems. so tomorrow , the government will tomorrow, the government will terme— tomorrow, the government will eebere me — tomorrow, the government will debate the meaning of the word sex debate the meaning of the word eexlme— debate the meaning of the word sex-the equality— debate the meaning of the word sex the equality act of 2010, sex in the equality act of 2010, mer— sex in the equality act of 2010, ate a— sex in the equality act of 2010, after a petition— sex in the equality act of 2010, after a petition gained more mem— after a petition gained more than 100,000— after a petition gained more than 100,000 signatures. they'll commer— than 100,000 signatures. they'll consider whether— than 100,000 signatures. they'll consider whether the terms sex mere— consider whether the terms sex mere remere— consider whether the terms sex male female men— consider whether the terms sex male female men and women should , in male female men and women should , m regar— male female men and women should , m reger rem— male female men and women should , in legal terms, mean— , in legal terms, mean biological— , in legal terms, mean biological sex and not sex as modified— biological sex and not sex as modified ry— biological sex and not sex as modified by a— biological sex and not sex as modified by a gender recognition cemete— modified by a gender recognition certificate. so— modified by a gender recognition certificate. so here— modified by a gender recognition certificate. so here to speak mem— certificate. so here to speak mm mm— certificate. so here to speak about this today, i have the at...— about this today, i have the author, helen— about this today, i have the author, helen joyce , director of author, helen joyce, director of advocacy— author, helen joyce, director of advocacy er— author, helen joyce, director of advocacy at sex— author, helen joyce, director of advocacy at sex matters . and

advocacy at sex matters. and merrier— advocacy at sex matters. and heather binning— advocacy at sex matters. and heather binning from the women's meme— heather binning from the women's mgme remem— heather binning from the women's mgme nerwerk .— heather binning from the women's rights network . welcome to the rights network. welcome to the mem.— rights network. welcome to the emery. mem— rights network. welcome to the show. thank you— rights network. welcome to the show. thank you .— rights network. welcome to the show. thank you . i'm can i come show. thank you. i'm can i come to show. thank you. i'm can i come re yer— show. thank you. i'm can i come re you met— show. thank you. i'm can i come to you first, helen,— show. thank you. i'm can i come to you first, helen, because yre— to you first, helen, because ye perr— to you first, helen, because ye perr er— to you first, helen, because you're part of sex matters. sex merrere— you're part of sex matters. sex matters created _ you're part of sex matters. sex matters created this petition eme— matters created this petition me eer— matters created this petition me eer ee— matters created this petition and got over the— matters created this petition and got over the threshold of rooeee— and got over the threshold of 100,000, which _ and got over the threshold of 100,000, which means that there wru— 100,000, which means that there mu ee — 100,000, which means that there mu be e— 100,000, which means that there will be a debate— 100,000, which means that there will be a debate in— 100,000, which means that there will be a debate in parliament. eur— will be a debate in parliament. eer wee— will be a debate in parliament. but was anyone— will be a debate in parliament. but was anyone seriously in any term— but was anyone seriously in any term mer— but was anyone seriously in any doubt that the _ but was anyone seriously in any doubt that the equality act, wmem— doubt that the equality act, wmem tr— doubt that the equality act, when it refers— doubt that the equality act, when it refers to sex, meant erereereer— when it refers to sex, meant biological-so- when it refers to sex, meant biological so when the biological sex? so when the gender— biological sex? so when the gender recognition act came into reme— gender recognition act came into reree m— gender recognition act came into reree m 200..— gender recognition act came into force in 2004, it— gender recognition act came into force in 2004, it modified the meaning— force in 2004, it modified the meaning er— force in 2004, it modified the meaning of the— force in 2004, it modified the meaning of the word sex in a few eeeeme— meaning of the word sex in a few eeeeme rewe— meaning of the word sex in a few specific laws, in— meaning of the word sex in a few specific laws, in particular meee— specific laws, in particular those relating _ specific laws, in particular those relating to marriage and eemrem. — those relating to marriage and eemrem. are— those relating to marriage and pensions. and it— those relating to marriage and pensions. ' . those relating to marriage and pensions. and it expressly did not modify the law in some other areas. so for example, parenthood, sex crimes, inheritance of land and titles . inheritance of land and titles. but in other laws, apart from those, it was it was silent. yes and then in 2010, the equality act wrapped up over 100 pieces of legislation and case law into one overarching big law, which included the things that had beenin included the things that had been in the sex discrimination act. but it was silent on whether sex really meant sex or it meant sex as modified by a gender recognition certificate.

we would argue that if you analyse the law in round analyse the law in the round that clear that it means that it's clear that it means sex for example , it sex because, for example, it says things like we're only one sex needs that facility and it gives an example of cervical smear definition of smear tests as the definition of sex is used for the definition of sexual orientation, which sex is used for the definition of se not orientation, which sex is used for the definition of se not involve tion, which sex is used for the definition of se not involve bits which sex is used for the definition of se not involve bits ofiich sex is used for the definition of se not involve bits of paper. does not involve bits of paper. but before christmas there was a legal judgement in scotland that suggested it was really sex as modified by a gender recognition certificate. sorry for the mouthful. it's it's mouthful. it's no, but it's turre— mouthful. it's no, but it's quire-r- mouthful. it's no, but it's quite-i think- mouthful. it's no, but it'sj quite-i think it's quite common. i think it's reeuy— quite common. i think it's retry-mer- quite common. i think it's- really _that.clarify really important that we clarify why— really important that we clarify wmy mm— really important that we clarify why this important because why this is important because the why this is important because rte-aer— why this is important because rte-aer re— why this is important because the act is necessary, the equality act is necessary, rem-r— the equality act is necessary, rem-r-erereer— the equality act is necessary, isn't protect certain isn't it, to protect certain meme— isn't it, to protect certain meme rer— isn't it, to protect certain rights for sex— isn't it, to protect certain rights for sex based rights for se it— rights for sex based rights for women. so if there is any kind of women. so if there is any kind er emergwrry— women. so if there is any kind of ambiguity about what the word sex of ambiguity about what the word tr— of ambiguity about what the word sex means, it kind— of ambiguity about what the word sex means, it kind of negates mer. — sex means, it kind of negates mer. se— sex means, it kind of negates mer. se ex— sex means, it kind of negates that. so sex only- sex means, it kind of negates that. so sex only has two possible meanings in any law in british law, because there is no self—id here. it either means sex, really sex. the thing that you were conceived, the thing that was registered on your birth or it means the birth cert or it means the thing that's modified gender that's modified by a gender recognition certificate. and there's of them in the there's only 5000 of them in the wild. it really doesn't mean, wild. so it really doesn't mean, for that men can go

for example, that men can go into women's toilets changing into women's toilets or changing rooms whatever rooms or dormitories or whatever and oh, look, i'm and just say, oh, look, i'm a woman. but once you introduce that bit of as that tiny bit of doubt as to what this word you make what this word means, you make it to rely on the law. it very hard to rely on the law. if you are a service provider or an employer or something like that. that's been very that. and that's been very cleverly by stonewall that. and that's been very clev all by stonewall that. and that's been very clev all the by stonewall that. and that's been very clev all the other by stonewall that. and that's been very clev all the other peoplernewall that. and that's been very clev all the other people whotll that. and that's been very clev all the other people who are and all the other people who are trying to convince us all that sex or it's not sex is a spectrum or it's not real, or that trans women are women, of those other women, or any of those other slogans. so this is the slogans. and so this is the start of regaining owning the language we need the language that we need and the clarity that in law in clarity that we need in law in order that we can have single sex services and people sex services and protect people against discrimination. so, against sex discrimination. so, heather, want bring you g " so, heather, want bring you in heather, i want to bring you in mere.— heather, i want to bring you in mere. se— heather, i want to bring you in mere. se wher— heather, i want to bring you in here. so what do— heather, i want to bring you in here. so what do you to your mme— here. so what do you to your mind me— here. so what do you to your mind me re— here. so what do you to your mind and to the— here. so what do you to your mind and to the mind of the wememe— mind and to the mind of the women's rights— mind and to the mind of the women's rights network, what are the women's rights network, what are rte-meree— women's rights network, what are the-here? what— women's rights network, what are the-here? what are- women's rights network, what are the here? what are the the risks here? what are the ewe— the risks here? what are the stakes—comes. the risks here? what are thei stakes—comes to the risks here? what are the- stakes_comes to the stakes here when it comes to the treaty— stakes here when it comes to the meaty-wen.— stakes here when it comes to the equality _well,-sex. equality act? well, same sex care, instance , is if we all care, for instance, is if we all think of your mother or your grandmother knitting and my own mother , who had dementia and mother, who had dementia and needed same sex care , it needed needed same sex care, it needed intimate care and i happened to

be there at the house when a young man turned up to provide her in the morning and think, now this is let's not beat about the bush. this is really, you know, getting her naked, washing her, cleaning her. it is not appropriate to be appropriate for that to be carried out somebody who's carried out for somebody who's a biological chap sent biological man. this chap sent him packing, he wasn't him packing, so he wasn't pretending to anything pretending to be anything other. they had . you know, obviously they had. you know, obviously not. but really important not. but it's really important isn't circumstances isn't in those circumstances that women are able to feel safe and similarly, toilets and toilets in schools, girls in schools. there are some horrendous stories at the moment going on, and it's really important that this is clarified. are businesses clarified. there are businesses , organisations out there that are and us, and that are confused and us, and that confusion means that they are allowing things to happen because that's the easiest route for them, because otherwise they'll load of they'll get a whole load of abuse thrown at them. but then last saw the nhs making last week we saw the nhs making this statement that patients would allowed except for would not be allowed except for exception circumstances to refuse care from a trans identified individual . and so identified individual. and so clearly the nhs aren't-

3: r: , »:..t. and so clearly the nhs aren't on your eme— clearly the nhs aren't on your we re— clearly the nhs aren't on your we in mm— clearly the nhs aren't on your side in this. they— clearly the nhs aren't on your side in this. they are. “»ty» :it; side in this. they are. they are ereerry— side in this. they are. they are ereerry me— side in this. they are. they are clearly and they are wrong. they are very wrong . the one of the are very wrong. the one of the biggest questions i would ask this is who gains there was there was an alternative of petition to wanting to debate it also for no change. who benefits from that? what has inspired that? who benefits from from the confusion that there currently is and it is the likes of stonewall who aqua reinsdorf's report on the essex university said that the law was being presented as stonewall wished it to be not as it actually was , to be not as it actually was, and without clarification action that can continue to happen . so that can continue to happen. so is that the point, helen, cr?" " so is that the point, helen, that if is that the point, helen, that m we— is that the point, helen, that m we eer— is that the point, helen, that if we eer mie— is that the point, helen, that if we get this clarified that we do if we get this clarified that we we me— if we get this clarified that we do mean biological sex when the law do mean biological sex when the raw eeye— do mean biological sex when the raw eeye eex— do mean biological sex when the law says sex, that— do mean biological sex when the law says sex, that these sorts of law says sex, that these sorts er eeeeree— law says sex, that these sorts of debates and— law says sex, that these sorts of debates and problems we've been— of debates and problems we've been mexme— of debates and problems we've been having with— of debates and problems we've been having with biological meree— been having with biological meree eme— been having with biological males and women's prisons, for exempte— example, that that will go away . lwer-r— example, that that will go away . lwer-r 90— example, that that will go away . lwer-r ge awry.— example, that that will go away . .won't go away. it's- example, that that will go away . it won't go away. it's just the start of finding a path towards it going away. yes. the

equality about equality act is about discrimination, sex discrimination, sex discrimination rules. and when it's allowed, as in, for example , in single sex toilets and when it's as and when you it's forbidden as and when you say only can do this job and say only men can do this job and there's a very long way from there's a very long way from there to saying that you must have single sex provision, but we even get to the point we can't even get to the point where we can say when do we need single sex provision, when is it reasonable be mixed when reasonable to be mixed sex, when is reasonable single is it reasonable to be single sex? can't say what sex sex? if we can't say what sex means? yes. well, we can't reerry— means? yes. well, we can't reerry reeve— means? yes. well, we can't really have the— c 4.35 well, we can't really have the debate very errem— really have the debate very often _often . really have the debate very- often _often people often because too often people are—intimidated- often because too often people are intimidated into are silenced or intimidated into eiemee— are silenced or intimidated into silence. _there - are silenced or intimidated intoj silence. _there was silence. in your case, there was an silence. in your case, there was em-yew— silence. in your case, there was em-yew mee- silence. in your case, there was an-you had with- silence. in your case, there was an you had with jordan an interview you had with jordan rerereem— an interview you had with jordan peterson taken— an interview you had with jordan peterson taken off— an interview you had with jordan peterson taken off youtube for were — peterson taken off youtube for were eeeeem— peterson taken off youtube for hate speech. was— peterson taken off youtube for hate speech. was �*fw�*»t;.. hate speech. was it? well, i rt— hate speech. was it? well, i rr wee— hate speech. was it? well, i mean, it was it's his channel. and it's a it's an interview. i did a year ago and it got taken down yesterday. and he tweeted and screencap of the and he did a screencap of the email that he got about it or the notification button. and it said hateful. i mean, said it was hateful. and i mean, i i think it's because we i think i think it's because we referred to ellen slash elliot page okay. i mean, she page as she. okay. i mean, she is woman. she's a woman who is a woman. she's a woman who doesn't like being a woman. she's a woman who calls herself

a have just a man. so i've just have just done hate speech again, done a hate speech again, people. about well people. sorry about that. well you a free speech you know, this is a free speech show. and the is. but it's show. and the thing is. but it's not show. and the thing is. but it's mer reefer,— show. and the thing is. but it's not hateful, is— show. and the thing is. but it's not hateful, is it?— and the thing is. but it's not hateful, is it? because the weer— not hateful, is it? because the weer meterrry— not hateful, is it? because the vast majority people, vast majority of people, heat...— vast majority of people, heather, am _ vast majority of people, heather, am i- vast majority of people, heather, am i right in saying mer— heather, am i right in saying me me— heather, am i right in saying that the vast— heather, am i right in saying that the vast majority people that the vast majority of people use that the vast majority of people —re - use pronouns according to erereereer— use pronouns according to. biological—what. biological sex? that's what. vee- — biological sex? that's what. yes. _majority. whatj biological sex? that's what. . yes-majority. what are yes. the vast majority. what are they all yes. the vast majority. what are they err being— yes. the vast majority. what are they all being hateful,- yes. the vast majority. what are they all being hateful, of- they all being hateful, of course. well,— they all being hateful, of course. well, some small minority that they are minority think that they are being mean, it's being helpful, but, i mean, it's very we're out the very difficult. we're out on the streets, out the streets, women out in the streets, women out in the streets talking the public. streets talking to the public. the majority of the public the vast majority of the public are on side. but are on our side. but interestingly, and i think this probably has impact on some probably has an impact on some of that you've done of the research that you've done recently is very many of them are afraid to say yes because their families will punish them, their families will punish them, their work colleagues will punish them. so they're going and they don't know category and the debate tomorrow in westminster with the mps. we know that there are at least a couple of sex realist mps, secret sex realist mps that have not are not saying they're doing

that. they're humza yousaf , but that. they're humza yousaf, but they have other engagements tomorrow so they won't be attending. oh, they won't be eme— attending. oh, they won't be me re— attending. oh, they won't be able to make— attending. oh, they won't be able to make it. _ : g oh, they won't be able to make it. attending. oh, they won't be- able to make it. that's a shame. it's about science saying they've what happens if you they've seen what happens if you speak out and they are being cowed and cowardly. but even the phrase sex realist mps, it sounds bizarre like surely all mps know the difference between a man and a woman. i mean , a man and a woman. i mean, literally a man and a woman. i mean, rrrererry every— a man and a woman. i mean, literally every human- i mean, literally every human being who has literally every human being who mee exer— literally every human being who has ever lived— literally every human being who has ever lived has— literally every human being who has ever lived has come from a eeey— has ever lived has come from a woman's body, whatever else you knew — woman's body, whatever else you knew me— woman's body, whatever else you know. and when— woman's body, whatever else you know. and when i— woman's body, whatever else you know. and when i say these rmmee— know. and when i say these mmge mey— know. and when i say these thingsr they 90r— know. and when i say these things, they go, are you think mer— things, they go, are you think that infertile— things, they go, are you think that infertile women are not wememe-r— that infertile women are not wememe-r ee- that infertile women are not women? i go, was an women? and i go, i was an merrie— women? and i go, i was an infertile woman. - women? and i go, i was an infertile woman. my children are by infertile woman. my children are try-wmem— infertile woman. my children are ey-wmemlwem- infertile woman. my children are by when went along to by ivf. and when i went along to the by ivf. and when i went along to me wr— by ivf. and when i went along to me rvr eme— by ivf. and when i went along to the nf clinic, didn't go the nf clinic, they didn't go reexme— the nf clinic, they didn't go looking—in- the nf clinic, they didn't go reexme—m my| looking for the eggs in my meeeme-e— looking for the eggs in my husband's-and. looking for the eggs in my. husband's-and they husband's abdomen and they mem-r— husband's abdomen and they erem-r eer— husband's abdomen and they didn't ask me— husband's abdomen and they didn't ask me for sperm didn't ask me for a sperm sampler— didn't ask me for a sperm sample, right.— didn't ask me for a sperm sample, right. at which point mey— sample, right. at which point trey-ceme- sample, right. at which point they-course, they. they well, of course, they ewrrrry. — they well, of course, they swiftly. - because i swiftly. is this because activists have very activists have been very successful convincing people successful in convincing people in the media class and the political class that to make the points that you're making comes from position hate from a position of hate and bigotry. there's sort of bigotry. i think there's sort of two groups. there's the be kind group— two groups. there's the be kind greet-mew— two groups. there's the be kind greet-mew very— two groups. there's the be kind group-know very well- git»- there's the be kind group know very well that git»- there's the be kind

groufi'm know very well that git»- there's the be kind groufi'm saying very well that git»- there's the be kind groufi'm saying iszry well that git»- there's the be kind groufi'm saying is true,3ll that git»- there's the be kind groufi'm saying is true, buthat what i'm saying is true, but mmx— what i'm saying is true, but mmx-meem— what i'm saying is true, but think mean. they say like, think it's mean. they say like, why— think it's mean. they say like, why-vou— think it's mean. they say like, wry-yew reme— think it's mean. they say like, why you being mean about why are you being mean about emer— why are you being mean about rrrrer page?— why are you being mean about elliot page? like— why are you being mean about elliot page? like what does it eeer— elliot page? like what does it eee—mie- cost you not to call this eereem— cost you not to call this eereem re— cost you not to call this person? he well, i'm talking eeewr— person? he well, i'm talking eeewr e— person? he well, i'm talking about a social— person? he well, i'm talking about a social contagion in wmem— about a social contagion in- which—disproportion which young women disproportion reeerem— which young women disproportion reeerem yewme— which young women disproportion lesbian young women and women which young women disproportion lesbieatingng women and women which young women disproportion lesbieating disordersi and women which young women disproportion lesbieating disordersi ancwomeni with eating disorders and women wme— with eating disorders and women wee—ame.- with eating disorders and women wee—ame. yew- who are miserable. and, you mew.— who are miserable. and, you mew—rege- who are miserable. and, youi know,_page spoke know, elliot ellen page spoke eeewr— know, elliot ellen page spoke about various— know, elliot ellen page spoke about various mental health iewr— about various mental health issues. |cut off,— about various mental health issues. cut off, taking breasts cut off, taking testosterone - breasts cut off, taking testosterone and breasts cut off, taking— testosterone-and pretending testosterone down and pretending that testosterone down and pretending mer-mem— testosterone down and pretending that-men.-talk- that they're men. i can't talk eeewr— that they're men. i can't talk eeewr mie— that they're men. i can't talk about this if— that they're men. i can't talk about this if i— that they're men. i can't talk about this if i don't use the ureter— about this if i don't use the ureter-er— about this if i don't use the proper-of course.- about this if i don't use the proper of course. so proper words, of course. so i beer— proper words, of course. so i beer-wru— proper words, of course. so i bear-will to- proper words, of course. so i bear-will to this- bear no ill will to this individual.— bear no ill will to this individual. i- bear no ill will to this individual. i just have to talk eeewr— individual. i just have to talk eeewr u— individual. i just have to talk eeewr rr m— individual. i just have to talk about it in a— individual. i just have to talk about it in a reality based way eme— about it in a reality based way ere—me- about it in a reality based way. ere—me-wme and then there's the people who just and then there's the people who tee—wher— just think like, what am i mreemee— just think like, what am i missing? they're talking missing? like they're talking eeewr— missing? like they're talking mem-e— missing? like they're talking about a spectrum. like, about sex as a spectrum. like, you— about sex as a spectrum. like, yew mew.— about sex as a spectrum. like, yew mew. mey— about sex as a spectrum. like, you know, they also say that wem— you know, they also say that mem-e— you know, they also say that light - a particle - you know, they also say that light a particle and light can be a particle and a ure— light can be a particle and a wave like, oh— light can be a particle and a wave like, oh god, the world is very— wave like, oh god, the world is very complicated— wave like, oh god, the world is very complicated these days. and so very complicated these days. and ee—eey— very complicated these days. and ee—eey emymme. | so they just don't say anything. yes so they just don't say anything. wee—se- so they just don't say anything. yes—so, heather,�* yes understood. so, heather, i have to you about the have to ask you about the women's network. this women's rights network. this obviously is of interest you obviously is of interest to you because your your because you your your your institution, your institution, your protect your group exists to protect women's setting women's rights. you're setting up is right? up a new branch. is that right? well, we we are. we've gone well, we are. we are. we've gone international.— well, we are. we are. we've gone international._have. international. we already have women's rights— international. we already have women's rights canada and wememe— women's rights canada and women's rights. _ women's rights canada and women's rights. and women's rights. australia and

trey-re— women's rights. australia and mey-re—eme- women's rights. australia andi they're—and within they're working hard and within they're working hard and within me new— they're working hard and within the next week— they're working hard and within the next week or— they're working hard and within the next week or ten days, we'll be rewmemme— the next week or ten days, we'll be launching women's rights. xrgmemerem— be launching women's rights. afghanistan, fantastic . which afghanistan, fantastic. which is. afghanistan, fantastic. which re. veere— afghanistan, fantastic. which re. veem rr-e— afghanistan, fantastic. which is. yeah, it's just— afghanistan, fantastic. which is. yeah, it's just amazing. and me— is. yeah, it's just amazing. and we brewe— is. yeah, it's just amazing. and we erexe .— is. yeah, it's just amazing. and the brave , brave— is. yeah, it's just amazing. and the brave , brave women . yeah, we the brave, brave women. yeah, we mme— the brave, brave women. yeah, we mmx emyeeey— the brave, brave women. yeah, we think anybody thinks that i'm brewe— think anybody thinks that i'm erexe er— think anybody thinks that i'm brave or we're _ think anybody thinks that i'm brave or we're brave really has no brave or we're brave really has me reee— brave or we're brave really has me reee wher— brave or we're brave really has no idea what bravery as a woman. i no idea what bravery as a woman. r mem— no idea what bravery as a woman. r rye— no idea what bravery as a woman. r r-we rye— no idea what bravery as a woman. i mean, i've i've interviewed- i mean, i've i've interviewed some iranian women actually about what's going on in iran. and it does strike me that. and they made the point that sometimes you feel that western feminists aren't speaking out enough about what's going in enough about what's going on in other countries. absolutely true. that is right. why? because they accused of because they might be accused of islamophobia they don't islamophobia or think they don't understand issues. yes. islamophobia or think they don't understand issues. yes . and understand the issues. yes. and they understand the issues. yes. and mey-emeermee— understand the issues. yes. and they-empathise in- understand the issues. yes. and they-empathise in a- understand the issues. yes. and they-empathise in a way.- -:: yes. and they empathise in a way. but they can empathise in a way. but to they can empathise in a way. but re wmeerereme— they can empathise in a way. but to understand that— they can empathise in a way. but to understand that somebody has been— to understand that somebody has been mrewem— to understand that somebody has been through education and got a degree.— been through education and got a degree. eeem— been through education and got a degree, been working and then all degree, been working and then err er— degree, been working and then err er e— degree, been working and then all of a sudden— degree, been working and then all of a sudden can't leave the tee— all of a sudden can't leave the tee vee— all of a sudden can't leave the house. yes and _ all of a sudden can't leave the house. yes and is— all of a sudden can't leave the house. yes and is reliant on on eereem eur— house. yes and is reliant on on one person out of— house. yes and is reliant on on one person out of five to bring in re— one person out of five to bring in re memey— one person out of five to bring in to money feed— one person out of five to bring in to money feed everybody in the in to money feed everybody in rte-vee— in to money feed everybody in rte-wee wee.— in to money feed everybody in the _yes yes. it's- in to money feed everybody in the yes yes. it's and the family. yes yes. it's and me— the family. yes yes. it's and we e— the family. yes yes. it's and we e r— the family. yes yes. it's and we e r eer-r— the family. yes yes. it's and it's a i can't i— the family. yes yes. it's and it's a i can't i can't speak rr-e— it's a i can't i can't speak rr-e e— it's a i can't i can't speak rr-e e reer— it's a i can't i can't speak it's a fear like— it's a i can't i can't speak it's a fear like no other. and me—

it's a fear like no other. and we wemem— it's a fear like no other. and the women we're- it's a fear like no other. and the women we're talking to are ereweme— the women we're talking to are providing me— the women we're talking to are providing some education online to providing some education online re emer— providing some education online re emer errre. — providing some education online to other girls. yes.— providing some education online to other girls. yes. around afghanistan— to other girls. yes. around afghanistan .— to other girls. yes. around afghanistan . so they're trying afghanistan. so they're trying to afghanistan. so they're trying re eer— afghanistan. so they're trying re eer erewme— afghanistan. so they're trying to get around these laws . and i to get around these laws. and i mme— to get around these laws. and i mmx rr-e— to get around these laws. and i mmx me my— to get around these laws. and i think it's only right we can't be e— think it's only right we can't be a women's— think it's only right we can't be a women's rights network if were-wemme— be a women's rights network if we're looking rights we're not looking at the rights of we're not looking at the rights er—xre- we're not looking at the rights er—xre wmml we're not looking at the rights- of_and which does of every women. and which does beg the question, shouldn't stonewall have gone international their international and focussed their attention rather attention internationally rather than an ideology which than embrace an ideology which is niche ? that was the idea is very niche? that was the idea in is very niche? that was the idea m me— is very niche? that was the idea in me 2000— is very niche? that was the idea in the 2000 when— is very niche? that was the idea in the 2000 when it— rill» " mt? that was the idea in the 2000 when it was rtg " mt?” that was the idea in the 2000 when it was clear mer— in the 2000 when it was clear we gey— in the 2000 when it was clear that gay marriage— in the 2000 when it was clear that gay marriage was going to eeme— that gay marriage was going to become-across— that gay marriage was going to become across the western become law across the western were.— become law across the western were-wry— become law across the western werre-wmy-ee- become law across the western world. .why- go to - become law across the western world. why go to the world. like why not go to the were— world. like why not go to the ereeer-vee— world. like why not go to the global-yes why- world. like why not go to the global yes why not try global south? yes why not try eme— global south? yes why not try and—gav- global south? yes why not tryi ere—eey global south? yes why not try- eme—eey eme and support men gay, gay men and women-countries— and support men gay, gay men and women countries where that women in countries where that eere— women in countries where that gere yew— women in countries where that gere yew eeme.— women in countries where that gets you stoned, gets you hanged?— gets you stoned, gets youi hanged?_know gets you stoned, gets you- hanged? _ know what? hanged? yes. do you know what? mere-e— hanged? yes. do you know what? rmere-e—rrl there's not much money in it. me— there's not much money in it. ame-rer— there's not much money in it. ame-rer er- there's not much money in it. and-lot of risk.- there's not much money in it. and lot of risk. and and there's a lot of risk. and you— and there's a lot of risk. and yew eem-r— and there's a lot of risk. and yew eem-r eme— and there's a lot of risk. and you don't end up— and there's a lot of risk. and you don't end up in the house of reme— you don't end up in the house of reree mere— you don't end up in the house of lords, that's why. _ you don't end up in the house of lords, that's why. oct?» lords, that's why. okay, well, just— lords, that's why. okay, well, just finally, before go, just very finally, before we go, the equality act debate tomorrow, how do think this tomorrow, how do you think this will do you think that the will go? do you think that the government clarify this? government will clarify this? and you think this lower and do you think this will lower the a very the temperature of a very difficult debate? so it's gone the temperature of a very dif'from debate? so it's gone the temperature of a very dif'from for)ate? so it's gone the temperature of a very dif'from for 30.? so it's gone the temperature of a very dif'from for 30. you) it's gone the temperature of a very dif'from for 30. you can gone the temperature of a very dif'from for 30. you can watch it on from for 30. you can watch it on from for 30. you can watch it em eerrremem— on from for 30. you can watch it on parliament tv.— on from for 30. you can watch it on parliament tv. you can follow rrrewmer— on parliament tv. you can follow tribunal tweets— on parliament tv. you can follow tribunal tweets who are a wemeermr— tribunal tweets who are a wonderful group of volunteers

wme— wonderful group of volunteers wee—rmmeel wonderful group of volunteers. who—things like who tweet important things like me.— who tweet important things like rite—reme- this. it'll run quite a long rime— this. it'll run quite a long time because— this. it'll run quite a long time because debating time because they're debating eem—mere- time because they're debating both _ make the i both petitions that make the enemy— both petitions that make the- rewerrry—xeee equality act clear and they keep the equality act clear and they keep me eewerrry— equality act clear and they keep the equality act— equality act clear and they keep the equality act muddled. rerrrreme— the equality act muddled. petitions,-and- the equality act muddled. petitions, and not the the equality act muddled. petitthat and not the the equality act muddled. petitthat you and not the the equality act muddled. petitthat you vote not the the equality act muddled. petitthat you vote at not the the equality act muddled. petitthat you vote at the it the the equality act muddled. petitthat you vote at the end; sort that you vote at the end of. sort that you vote at the end er. rr-e— sort that you vote at the end er. rr-e giving— sort that you vote at the end of. it's giving the— sort that you vote at the end of. it's giving the government re— of. it's giving the government re eey— of. it's giving the government cover to say there _ of. it's giving the government cover to say there is actually eememe— cover to say there is actually demand—finally. demand for this and finally errme— demand for this and finally airing-of- demand for this and finally airing of things that airing the sorts of things that were never said— airing the sorts of things that were never said when they passed the were never said when they passed me eemeer— were never said when they passed the gender recognition act. does a the gender recognition act. doesi e—eeey a man with an ordinary male body reve— a man with an ordinary male body mexe-re— a man with an ordinary male body rrexe-re 90— a man with an ordinary male body rrexe-re 90 me- have the right to go into a ermewe— have the right to go into a shower with _ have the right to go into a shower with teenage girls eeeewee— shower with teenage girls because - piece - shower with teenage girls because piece of paper because he's a piece of paper eeyme— because he's a piece of paper eeymg mee— because he's a piece of paper eeymg me-e e— because he's a piece of paper saying he's a woman? that's the tweeter— saying he's a woman? that's the eweerremlwem— saying he's a woman? that's the question iwant-to- saying he's a woman? that's the question want to answer. question i want them to answer. wen.— question i want them to answer. werr-rmeerrem— question i want them to answer. well, important indeed. well, very important indeed. reemer— well, very important indeed. heather—thanks. heather and helen, thanks so much joining today. much for joining me today. really thank you. really appreciate it. thank you. and break free and after the break on free speech— and after the break on free speech nation,— and after the break on free speech nation, be talking speech nation, i'll be talking eeem— speech nation, i'll be talking eeem-eem— speech nation, i'll be talking about-ban on— speech nation, i'll be talking about ban on puberty about the ban on puberty ereexere— about the ban on puberty blockers children. 30" . about the ban on puberty blockers children. j»t»t . gt blockers for children. don't go ewey. — blockers for children. don't go ewey. vey— blockers for children. don't go ewey. wey .—

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. making predictions is always a

mug's game, but i think i'll give it a shot . so i have a give it a shot. so i have a strong suspicion that historians of the future will look back at our current period of time in utter bewilderment. how is it they will say that supposedly they will say that a supposedly sane permitted the sane society permitted the medicalisation of children who did not conform to gender stereo types? how is it that figures in authority in the political class and the medical establishment thought it was a good idea to encourage use of puberty encourage the use of puberty blockers, which almost always lead to the taking of cross—sex hormones and sometimes irreversible surgery for kids too young to possibly consent to such interventions . none of this such interventions. none of this makes sense, but there are some signs that the tide is turning. so this week the nhs confirmed that children suffering from gender dysphoria will no longer be put on puberty. blockers in the two new clinics being set up to replace the tavistock paediatric clinic, which will be closing soon following the report by dr. hilary cass , which report by dr. hilary cass, which revealed that it was unsafe for children. the nhs has noted the ominous exception of clinical

tests which might end up being a loophole. the draft policy still uses language such as gender affirming , so we probably still affirming, so we probably still have a long way to go. we're going to have to wait to see what happens. but this is definitely a promising development. things aren't looking positive in wales looking so positive in wales and scotland, the governments scotland, where the governments have entirely have seemingly been entirely captured identity captured by gender identity activism . and the same is true activism. and the same is true of us and canada. but of the us and canada. but gradually reason will prevail. for one thing, the tavistock is going to close, although that closure does seem to keep being postponed. and one of the reasons why it was considered unsafe the use of puberty unsafe was the use of puberty blockers. the cass review confirmed that simply confirmed that there was simply not enough research into the confirmed that there was simply not etermh research into the confirmed that there was simply not eterm impact �*ch into the confirmed that there was simply not eterm impact of into the confirmed that there was simply not eterm impact of these �*ie long term impact of these treatment outs. and one would have when it to have thought when it comes to doung have thought when it comes to doling out drugs to kids, we have thought when it comes to dolingwantirugs to kids, we have thought when it comes to dolingwant to gs to kids, we have thought when it comes to dolingwant to be to kids, we have thought when it comes to dolingwant to be sureis, we have thought when it comes to dolingwant to be sure thate have thought when it comes to dolingwant to be sure that we're might want to be sure that we're not putting them in danger. in fact, that in the fact, studies show that in the vast majority of cases, feelings of gender dysphoria in are of gender dysphoria in youth are resolved, puberty. resolved, moved through puberty. so by blocking puberty, you are blocking the remedy. whose bright idea was that? and even

in those cases where the feelings persist, surely we can all agree that children aren't best placed to make life changing decisions about their own bodies . and this has all own bodies. and this has all happened very quickly. mostly because discussion on these issues been stifled only issues has been stifled only today , dr. ahmad malik has today, dr. ahmad malik has tweeted out a thread confirming that he is being invested hosted by the general medical council for expressing concerns that there has been an alarming increase in cases of child gender dysphoria and surgery. but why should this lead to an investigation? dr. malik is simply asking some legitimate questions, and it's bizarre that a health professional raising the alarm should be as the alarm should be treated as some of heretic who needs some kind of heretic who needs to be silenced. all of this can be explained with one word ideology . motty i've spoken ideology. motty i've spoken before about how a small but powerful elite in the western world have succumbed to a kind of hysteria, particularly around the notion of gender identity. the conflation of lgb with taoiseach plus has confused a lot of people because of course,

sexual orientation has got nothing to do with gender. and as i argued on the show last week, gender identity ideology promotes anti—gay rhetoric and anti—gay concepts in order to sustain itself . if you want to sustain itself. if you want to understand how self—styled progressives have got it so wrong , consider this example. in wrong, consider this example. in 2020, pinknews released the following report on pakistan . following report on pakistan. lastly, in a historic move , lastly, in a historic move, transgender— lastly, in a historic move, transgender people in pakistan will transgender people in pakistan wrrr rmeuy— transgender people in pakistan will finally get— transgender people in pakistan will finally get access to free merm— will finally get access to free meerm cere— will finally get access to free health care. the— will finally get access to free health care. the government preme— health care. the government erem wru— health care. the government plans will also— health care. the government plans will also include covering all transition— plans will also include covering all transition related costs . all transition related costs. ame— all transition related costs. and pakistan— all transition related costs. and pakistan just said trans meme— and pakistan just said trans meme . — and pakistan just said trans meme. or— and pakistan just said trans rights . of course,- and pakistan just said trans rights. jcj�*" t .ttrtit; and pakistan just said trans rights . jcj�*" »t.»t»- .ttrtit; rights. of course, there was a reason why the government of pakistan was offering to support transitional surgery. it's the same reason the government of iran does, because homosexuality is illegal and there is a widespread belief that it can be corrected through sex reassignment. pakistan , which reassignment. so pakistan, which by the way, has since struck down all legal protections for trans it wasn't trans people, it wasn't supporting trans rights at all. it attacking gay people . the it was attacking gay people. the pinknews couldn't see that

because the impact ideology because the impact of ideology is blinds you to reason is that it blinds you to reason and stifles critical thought . and stifles critical thought. it. that's why activists it. and that's why activists continue to misinterpret regressive ideas as though they were progressive . we know that were progressive. we know that between 80 and 90% of adolescent who were referred to the tavistock were same sex attracted, so they were effectively correcting gay kids as the theocrats of iran and pakistan would be proud. and even for those kids who weren't, same sex attracted, surely they needed to be more discussion . needed to be more discussion. surely we should be telling young people that there is no one be a boy or a girl, one way to be a boy or a girl, that being a tomboy doesn't make you less female and playing with dolls any less dolls doesn't make you any less male. certainly being gay male. and certainly being gay doesn't you're trapped in doesn't mean you're trapped in the body. but in recent the wrong body. but in recent years, we've been avoiding those conversations and a result, conversations and as a result, we've regressing . sing this we've been regressing. sing this latest from the nhs is latest statement from the nhs is a step in the right direction. admittedly, it's only a small step and what feels like an impossible journey, but if i'm right, the historians of the future will be baffled that we

ever allowed ourselves to stray from the path of reason in the first place . okay. it's time now first place. okay. it's time now for a break. but actually, we're quickly, leo, any thoughts on puberty blockers ? yeah, i mean, puberty blockers? yeah, i mean, apparently was really enjoying watching an entire generation of left wing left wing parents, children being sterilised and maimed in the name of progress. so leo there with the sensible rexe — so leo there with the sensible rexe wmem — so leo there with the sensible take when you're— so leo there with the sensible take when you're enemy, when yew— take when you're enemy, when yew ememy— take when you're enemy, when yew ememy re— take when you're enemy, when your enemy is making a mistake, eem-r— your enemy is making a mistake, eem-r wemm— your enemy is making a mistake, don't disturb them— your enemy is making a mistake, don't disturb them . itt»t. don't disturb them. francis, weme— don't disturb them. francis, wewre yew— don't disturb them. francis, would you agree with that? no to put it mildly , no. i think the put it mildly, no. i think the mmee— put it mildly, no. i think the time r— put it mildly, no. i think the things i don't— put it mildly, no. i think the things i don't even- . r: i think the things i don't even think we've emper— things i don't even think we've dipped e— things i don't even think we've even dipped a toe— things i don't even think we've even dipped a toe into the water of even dipped a toe into the water er rew— even dipped a toe into the water er mew memer— even dipped a toe into the water of how mental things are going to of how mental things are going re eer. — of how mental things are going re ger- we.— of how mental things are going re eer. we. r— of how mental things are going to get. no, i know,- of how mental things are going to get. no, i know, i- of how mental things are going to get. \»t» . t»: to get. no, i know, i know. and you've made the point about historians. i think historians in about 100 years are going to be about it and go, be reading about it and go, what's the problem, mate? because i identify as a lampshade. - because i identify as a lampshade. cjt ”chi-«r because i identify as a- lampshade. oh, i really hope not. i really hope not. now, don't away. not. i really hope not. now, don't-away. there's- now, don't away. there's loads don't go away. there's loadsi

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there's plenty more still to come on free— there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week.— come on free speech nation this week, including— come on free speech nation this week, including is— come on free speech nation this week, including is it wrong to ere— week, including is it wrong to censor old films— week, including is it wrong to censor old films for the modern eemererrrry— censor old films for the modern eemererrry e— censor old films for the modern sensibility ? are _ censor old films for the modern sensibility ? are ghosts real? sensibility? are ghosts real? me— sensibility? are ghosts real? me er— sensibility? are ghosts real? and of course— sensibility? are ghosts real? and of course ,_ sensibility? are ghosts real? and of course , we'll have more and of course, we'll have more reeee— and of course, we'll have more taboo questions— and of course, we'll have more taboo questions from our sensational— taboo questions from our sensational studio audience . sensational studio audience. mere— sensational studio audience. mere mem.— sensational studio audience. that's next. but— sensational studio audience. that's next. but first, let's get— that's next. but first, let's eer e— that's next. but first, let's eer e mwee— that's next. but first, let's get a news update from aaron armerreme— get a news update from aaron armerreme .— get a news update from aaron xrmerremg . m— get a news update from aaron armstrong . hi there. . 8 00 armstrong. hi there. it is 8:00. eeed— armstrong. hi there. it is 8:00. good evening to you, aaron armstrong here in the newsroom nicola sturgeon says she's certain she's committed, no offence after being arrested as part of an ongoing inquiry into snp finances , scotland's former snp finances, scotland's former first minister was questioned for around seven hours before being released , in which she's being released, in which she's described as a shock and deeply

distressing . ms sturgeon is the distressing. ms sturgeon is the third high profile snp member to be arrested as police investigate the whereabouts of £600,000 worth of donations intended for the independence campaign in april. her husband, the party's former chief executive along with colin beattie, the snp's ex treasurer, were also questioned and released without charge with the couple's home and snp headquarters searched by police . three british tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off eqypt into flames in the red sea off egypt. into flames in the red sea off egypt . officials say at 12 egypt. officials say at 12 britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides. it's understood the fire was caused by an electrical short circuit. the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with with egyptian authorities and is assisting those involved . jacob assisting those involved. jacob rees—mogg has denied the recent resignation from parliament of bods resignation from parliament of boris johnson's allies are part

of a plot to depose the prime minister. the former cabinet minister says rishi sunak should remain as leader. and there's no coordinated attempt to undermine him. but he's also backed boris johnson to return as party leader after the next general election . mrjohnson announced election. mrjohnson announced he was stepping down as an mp after being handed the findings of the partygate inquiry over whether he misled parliament and sir jacob admits his ally acted sirjacob admits his ally acted improper . he sirjacob admits his ally acted improper. he one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of me to prereme— it would be absurd of me to pretend mer— it would be absurd of me to pretend that boris hasn't made mrerexee.— pretend that boris hasn't made mistakes. there— pretend that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called rerer— mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth _ mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late rem — peter wentworth who in the late rem eemwry— peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was— peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the 16th century was locked up in me rewer— 16th century was locked up in the tower for— 16th century was locked up in the tower for saying in the rewee— the tower for saying in the here er— the tower for saying in the house of commons, none is wmem— house of commons, none is without fault. _ house of commons, none is without fault. no, not our greerewe— without fault. no, not our gracious queen. the same could be eem— gracious queen. the same could be eere er— gracious queen. the same could be said of boris.— gracious queen. the same could be said of boris. none is wmem— be said of boris. none is without fault. - be said of boris. none is without fault. no, not our greerewe— without fault. no, not our gracious boris.- without fault. no, not our gracious boris. that that is me— gracious boris. that that is me er— gracious boris. that that is me er err— gracious boris. that that is true of all of— gracious boris. that that is true of all of us. tit. true of all of us. the met office has warned almost a month's worth of rain could fall over parts of the uk in the next 12 hours. however, the country will still hotter than the will still be hotter than the south with degrees

south of france, with 31 degrees recorded at heathrow earlier. yellow thunderstorm alerts will be in place until 9 pm. tomorrow and one of the world's most active volcanoes is continuing to put on a spectacular show, a big island in hawaii erupted early on wednesday , spewing ash into the wednesday, spewing ash into the air and producing a river of lava. now, officials have urged tourists hoping to have a look tourists hoping to have a look to be respectful of the cultural and spiritual meanings. when flocking to the national park . flocking to the national park. lava flows are expected to remain confined to the surrounding crater for torfaen line dab and tune in radio this is gb news. now back to free speech nation . speech nation. welcome back to free speech nation. so let's crack straight on, nation. so let's crack straight eer— nation. so let's crack straight eer me— but. t»t so let's crack straight on, get some questions \rt. t»t so let's crack straight on, get some questions from \rrt. t»t so let's crack straight on, get some questions from our emere— on, get some questions from our studio audience.— on, get some questions from our studio audience. our first queerrerr— studio audience. our first queerrer re— studio audience. our first question is from steve. hello,

srexe. — question is from steve. hello, srexe. am— question is from steve. hello, srexe. am r— question is from steve. hello, steve. am i racist?- question is from steve. hello, steve. am i racist? if- question is from steve. hello, steve. ' ”t»t. 5.7” �*" question is from steve. hello, steve. ' ”t»t. t.7 �*" question is from steve. hello, steve. ' ”trt. t.7 �*" steve. am i racist? if i wear a little black dress ? no, i think little black dress? no, i think i little black dress? no, i think r mme— little black dress? no, i think r mmx tr— little black dress? no, i think i think it would— little black dress? no, i think i think it would be— - t r: it~tr~tr7 no, i think i think it would be very rrerrerme— i think it would be very flattering on- i think it would be very flattering on you, steve. i mmx— flattering on you, steve. i mmx yew— flattering on you, steve. i think you should do that. so mie— think you should do that. so rme re— think you should do that. so rme re ceee— think you should do that. so this is coco chanel's little week— this is coco chanel's little black dress— this is coco chanel's little black dress is— this is coco chanel's little black dress is going to feature in err— black dress is going to feature in an exhibition— black dress is going to feature in an exhibition highlighting the racial identity of blackness. - the racial identity of- blackness. - show was blackness. the new show was meet— blackness. the new show was ewereelme— blackness. the new show was curated the national museum curated by the national museum of curated by the national museum er seerrere— curated by the national museum of scotland and— curated by the national museum of scotland and will seek to examine the— of scotland and will seek to examine the radical power of the of examine the radical power of the er-reemerr— examine the radical power of the of-fashion staple— examine the radical power of the of fashion staple its of this fashion staple and its wemee— of this fashion staple and its wemee wee— of this fashion staple and its varied use from _ of this fashion staple and its varied use from respectful mrrerer— varied use from respectful funeral attire _ varied use from respectful funeral attire to a favourite of ferret— funeral attire to a favourite of fetish subcultures . speaking of fetish subcultures. speaking of weme— fetish subcultures. speaking of wmere yew— fetish subcultures. speaking of which, you know— fetish subcultures. speaking of which, you know a lot about men— which, you know a lot about me. eer-r— which, you know a lot about that, don't you?— which, you know a lot about that, don't you? i do. i'm eemeuy— that, don't you? i do. i'm actually wearing one right now. the my jeans. but what's it got to race? i think to do with with race? i think because the dress is black. but but it's a dress. it's not i mean, it's not like black because i think you're making the mistake of assuming that any of this makes sense. but surely they ewe— of this makes sense. but surely they give eeme— of this makes sense. but surely they give some rationale- but surely they give some rationale for it eeme— they give some rationale for it eeme reerer— they give some rationale for it being racist? _ they give some rationale for it being racist? ' they give some rationale for it being racist ? ' being racist? apparently not. metere— being racist? apparently not. rrerrere. r— being racist? apparently not. francis. i don't— being racist? ' francis. i don't understand the were— francis. i don't understand the world anymore— francis. i don't understand the world anymore . _ francis. i don't understand the world anymore . gtt- world anymore. like genuinely these things now . well, i just. these things now. well, i just. it's like tick tock. i just look

at it. i don't understand it. i don't know what to do with it. and it just makes me angry. yeah and it just makes me angry. yeah and this is one of those things. yeah it is. it's like when. when the yeah it is. it's like when. when we mee— yeah it is. it's like when. when the kids show— yeah it is. it's like when. when the kids show bluey_ / . it's like when. when the kids show bluey was accused of the kids show bluey was accused er rer— the kids show bluey was accused er eer terme— the kids show bluey was accused er eer rrexme e— the kids show bluey was accused of not having a sufficiently eweree— of not having a sufficiently diverse cast— of not having a sufficiently diverse cast .— of not having a sufficiently diverse cast . right. and it said diverse cast. right. and it said mey— diverse cast. right. and it said they needed— diverse cast. right. and it said they needed more— diverse cast. right. and it said they needed more gender diverse dege— they needed more gender diverse eeee arre— they needed more gender diverse eege. xme wher— they needed more gender diverse dogs. and what was it ? they needed more gender diverse dogs. and what was it? dogs of eeee— dogs. and what was it? dogs of eeee er— dogs. and what was it? dogs of dogs of colour— dogs. and what was it? dogs of dogs of colour .— dogs. and what was it? dogs of dogs of colour . and the main dog dogs of colour. and the main dog is dogs of colour. and the main dog re ewe. — dogs of colour. and the main dog re ewe. se— dogs of colour. and the main dog re ewe. se r— dogs of colour. and the main dog is blue. so i mean— dogs of colour. and the main dog is blue. t t trt dogs of colour. and the main dog is blue. t is blue. so i mean come on, all of this stuff is nonsense. it's nonsense. it's wrong. when someone came out- nonsense. . d when someone came out and criticised the someone came out and criticised me reeyer— someone came out and criticised me reeyer remiy— someone came out and criticised the royal family for being too wme— the royal family for being too were. er— the royal family for being too white, of course,— the royal family for being too white, of course, that's the where — white, of course, that's the where perm— white, of course, that's the whole point of— white, of course, that's the whole point of the royal family. wen.— whole point of the royal family. weu. whee— whole point of the royal family. well, what were— whole point of the royal family. well, what were you _ whole point of the royal family. well, what were you expect acting the cast of black acting for the cast of black panther there? but wakanda panther up there? but wakanda rerexer— panther up there? but wakanda forever symbols— panther up there? but wakanda forever symbols .— panther up there? but wakanda forever symbols . but— panther up there? but wakanda forever symbols . but at- - .trtit7 but wakanda forever symbols . but at least forever symbols. but at least me— forever symbols. but at least we reeyer— forever symbols. but at least the royal family, the people wim— the royal family, the people we erm— the royal family, the people with skin that— the royal family, the people with skin that has a colour. rme— with skin that has a colour. we re— with skin that has a colour. we re e— with skin that has a colour. this is a dress— with skin that has a colour. this is a dress made- with skin that has a colour. this is a dress made out of fabnc. this is a dress made out of fabric . yeah, has a colour. but fabric. yeah, has a colour. but how can it be equated to race? i think academics have they have too i think academics have they have ree meet— i think academics have they have too much influence.— i think academics have they have too much influence. let's just erere— too much influence. let's just ererr ignoring— too much influence. let's just start ignoring them. please we got start ignoring them. please we eer erremer— start ignoring them. please we got another question now from eemey— got another question now from eemey .— got another question now from barney . where's— got another question now from barney . where's barney? barney. where's barney? hello. is barney. where's barney? hello. re tr— barney. where's barney? hello. re rr exey— barney. where's barney? hello. re rr exey rer— barney. where's barney? hello. is it okay for children to dress

up is it okay for children to dress we re— is it okay for children to dress up m were — is it okay for children to dress up in drag? barney- is it okay for children to dress up in drag? r:rtrt . up in drag? barney, i don't know why you're asking . i have to why you're asking. i have to say, by the why you're asking. i have to eey. by me wey— it; tg i have to say, by the way, barney is a weer— say, by the way, barney is a greet — say, by the way, barney is a great name. you— say, by the way, barney is a great name. you don't hear many eemey-e— great name. you don't hear many eemey-e te— great name. you don't hear many eemey-e te yew— great name. you don't hear many barney's, do you know, he's a reetty— barney's, do you know, he's a reetty teet— barney's, do you know, he's a really good name? no. okay. so we reeve— really good name? no. okay. so we here e— really good name? no. okay. so we have a more— really good name? no. okay. so we have a more working class ewtteree— we have a more working class audience here. _ we have a more working class audience here. i— we have a more working class audience here. - audience here. i like that, barney, because barney bit barney, because barney is a bit of fight well, isn't it? of a fight as well, isn't it? i'm having a bit of a barney. att— i'm having a bit of a barney. xtt rtette — i'm having a bit of a barney. all right? yeah,— i'm having a bit of a barney. all right? t/rtrtt \rrtr all right? yeah, no, i'm not. there's not many boxers called barney andrew doyle heavy. welcome heavyweight welcome to the heavyweight champion it's champion of the world. it's barney. should. they barney. well, they should. they absolutely should. a springer spaniel yeah it is exactly spaniel name? yeah it is exactly . okay, question . okay, well, the question eetwetty— . okay, well, the question actually-valid- . okay, well, the question- actually .valid - because actually is a valid one, because mere— actually is a valid one, because mere-etery— actually is a valid one, because there-story this- actually is a valid one, because there story this week. there was this story this week. trie— there was this story this week. rite-e— there was this story this week. this-a secondary- there was this story this week. this a secondary school this was a secondary school teeteetty— this was a secondary school basically celebrate pride day basically to celebrate pride day eett— basically to celebrate pride day eett treet— basically to celebrate pride day eett ttet tree— basically to celebrate pride day said that the kids— basically to celebrate pride day said that the kids should wear wret— said that the kids should wear wtet trey— said that the kids should wear wtet trey-te— said that the kids should wear what they-is a— said that the kids should wear what they is a quote, full what they this is a quote, full ttewrr— what they this is a quote, full ttewrr tree.— what they this is a quote, full blown drag. so,— what they this is a quote, full blown drag. so, mean, what blown drag. so, i mean, what teee— blown drag. so, i mean, what teee treet— blown drag. so, i mean, what does that mean?— blown drag. so, i mean, what does that mean? like really exremet— does that mean? like really extreme drag?— does that mean? like really extreme drag? is that what trey-re— extreme drag? is that what tmey-re eert— extreme drag? is that what they're sort of— extreme drag? is that what they're sort of saying ? ' tr: they're sort of saying? and i've seen some extreme drag and it's not age appropriate for children? no, i mean, it's a nonsense. i don't why the nonsense. i don't know why the left so insistent on left is so insistent on conflating ing, adult sexualised performance children , performance with children, especially at school. i mean,

surely , you know, i mean, school surely, you know, i mean, school should be the one place surely kids are just going into school being like, please, can we please just little please just learn just a little bit maths or something? the bit of maths or something? the teachers no , teachers are being like, no, standing there in a rainbow wig, no today gonna dress up no. today you're gonna dress up in . but you know, it in drag. but you know, it wetter-t— in drag. but you know, it wouldn't bother- t r: ”tg but you know, it wouldn't bother me if they had twe— wouldn't bother me if they had ttte e— wouldn't bother me if they had ttte e eey— wouldn't bother me if they had like a day where— wouldn't bother me if they had like a day where everyone can terrey— like a day where everyone can wear fancy dress— like a day where everyone can wear fancy dress and some kids eteee— wear fancy dress and some kids eteee te— wear fancy dress and some kids eteee te weer— wear fancy dress and some kids chose to wear drag. itrt-gr chose to wear drag. that really wouldn't. i don't think that wouldn't. i don't think that would an issue, would it? would be an issue, would it? no. wouldn't be an issue. no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. tet— no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. tut tre— no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. but the problem— no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. but the problem is,— no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. but the problem is, is— no. no, it wouldn't be an issue. but the problem is, is that- but the problem is, is that you've this and think to you've got this and you think to yourself, whose idea this? yourself, whose idea was this? and did have this idea? and why did you have this idea? veere— and why did you have this idea? veer. wret— and why did you have this idea? yeah, what normal— and why did you have this idea? yeah, what normal person thinks. you yeah, what normal person thinks. yew mew.— yeah, what normal person thinks. yew mew. rt— yeah, what normal person thinks. yew mew. tele— yeah, what normal person thinks. you know, i'd a great idea. you know, i'd be a great idea. cmttrerr— you know, i'd be a great idea. critter-m- you know, i'd be a great idea. children-in drag- you know, i'd be a great idea. children in drag and we children dressed in drag and we eme— children dressed in drag and we tmtltexe— children dressed in drag and we tmtltexe e— children dressed in drag and we kind-have a name— children dressed in drag and we kind have a name for those kind of have a name for those eeeete. — kind of have a name for those eeeete. rte.— kind of have a name for those people. it's. it's— kind of have a name for those people. . . it's kind of have a name for those people. it's the kind of have a name for those people. . . it's the bbc. people. it's. it's it's the bbc. rte— people. it's. it's it's the bbc. rt-e wew.— people. it's. it's it's the bbc. rt-e wew. wew— people. it's. it's it's the bbc. it's wow. wow i— people. . . it's the bbc. it's wow. wow i don't like teeewee— it's wow. wow i don't like teeewee r— it's wow. wow i don't like because i don't- it's wow. wow i don't like because i don't have a problem wttt— because i don't have a problem wttt tree.— because i don't have a problem wttt tree. — because i don't have a problem wttt tree. r— because i don't have a problem with drag. i have— because i don't have a problem with drag. i have a— because i don't have a problem with drag. i have a problem with age. inappropriate drag performances. i think that's the that's the borderline isn't it. that's the thing. yeah, absolutely this is i mean,

absolutely. and this is i mean, eemeltte— absolutely. and this is i mean, some-the videos— absolutely. and this is i mean, some .the videos-seen. .rt-y and this is i mean, some the videos seen of some of the videos i've seen of tree— some of the videos i've seen of tree-mete— some of the videos i've seen of the-that's been- some of the videos i've seen of the that's been forced on the stuff that's been forced on mitten.— the stuff that's been forced on emttrem. yew— the stuff that's been forced on children, you know, children eeme— children, you know, children eeme-te— children, you know, children. being-to-events being dragged to pride events wmet— being dragged to pride events which-actually- being dragged to pride events which actually be know which must actually be know reetty— which must actually be know teeny—trem- which must actually be know really—train like. which must actually be know really train like if really considered train like if i really considered train like if r wee— really considered train like if r et— really considered train like if r et e— really considered train like if i was at a pride— really considered train like if i was at a pride event and i'm running— i was at a pride event and i'm mmmg meme— i was at a pride event and i'm running around in— i was at a pride event and i'm running around in my bottomless teetter— running around in my bottomless leather trousers _ running around in my bottomless leather trousers ,_ running around in my bottomless leather trousers , i— running around in my bottomless leather trousers , i don't want leather trousers, i don't want tetttere— leather trousers, i don't want toddlers watching me. that's going— toddlers watching me. that's going te— toddlers watching me. that's going te met-e— toddlers watching me. that's going to that's going to cramp my etyte. — going to that's going to cramp my etyte. r— going to that's going to cramp my style. i want— going to that's going to cramp my style. i want i— going to that's going to cramp my style. i want i want to see that there is you and your leather chaps, barney, what do you think? do you do you think there's problem kids there's a problem with kids dressed up in drag? no. you don't care. no. no they sort of don't care. no. no they sort of do they want. but as long do what they want. but as long as sexualised, i think as it's not sexualised, i think that's reasonable you've that's a reasonable also, you've got mean, with all got to think, i mean, with all this with sexualised this stuff with sexualised performances front of performances in front of children, you know, people say, oh, but fine. like look at, oh, but it's fine. like look at, you oh, but it's fine. like look at, yew—pretteml oh, but it's fine. like look at,j yew—prettem te you know, the real problem is erre— you know, the real problem is ere—crewm- you know, the real problem is and—church or. you know, the real problem isi and—church or this and the catholic church or this erre— and the catholic church or this end rte— and the catholic church or this end tt-e twe— and the catholic church or this and it's like,-but- and the catholic church or this and it's like, but those and it's like, yeah, but those wem— and it's like, yeah, but those went-catholic- and it's like, yeah, but those went catholic church went to the catholic church teeewee— went to the catholic church because _them i went to the catholic church. because _them access went to the catholic church- because _them access to because that gave them access to center— because that gave them access to critter-tet— because that gave them access to children - let them _ because that gave them access to children let them dress up children and let them dress up in children and let them dress up trt-e— children and let them dress up m-e terre— children and let them dress up in-a long frock- children and let them dress up in a long frock and in basically a long frock and tree— in basically a long frock and ttte ee— in basically a long frock and like so you've— in basically a long frock and like so you've got to look if yee— like so you've got to look if you're a, where— like so you've got to look if you're a, where are you going to go you're a, where are you going to ere-amt— you're a, where are you going to ere-amt yee— you're a, where are you going to go and you're you're going go now? and you're you're going to go now? and you're you're going te-ere— go now? and you're you're going te-ere et— go now? and you're you're going to-one of these— go now? and you're you're going to one of these groups to go to one of these groups treet— to go to one of these groups

ttet erre— to go to one of these groups ttet 90— to go to one of these groups that can go into— to go to one of these groups that can go into a school, take metr— that can go into a school, take their clothes— that can go into a school, take their clothes off— that can go into a school, take their clothes off and simulate sex-children. - their clothes off and simulate sex children. right. sex in front of children. right. tut—eeyme- sex in front of children. right. tut—eeyme ttet- sex in front of children. right. but-saying that all. but you're not saying that all drag performers are in drag all drag performers are in that category. no, but i'm saying— that category. no, but i'm saying they-ve— fg no, but i'm saying they've created an environment.— environment. they've created a wet— environment. they've created a route-_w— environment. they've created a route.-if somebody. route. you know, if somebody oh.— route. you know, if somebody 0h, .— route. you know, if somebody was. o" c. in; z route. you know, if somebody was. o“ 2. “2:1; “2 was. oh, i understand. i understand the point. okay. we're going to get a question from good from bob now. another good name, bob. like bob, should people lose if they try to lose their jobs if they try to stop a robbery .7 okay. yeah, stop a robbery? okay. yeah, i was really interested in this. this is a it's a company called lululemon. lululemon. yeah so the ceo made this decision to fire two employees because they called the police while three masked men robbed the store . masked men robbed the store. this is in georgia because they had a company, zero tolerance policy for intervening in robbery. right. that's the reason for firing the workers. so i of it insofar as, so i kind of get it insofar as, you know, maybe the company was saying, look, if you stand up to a robber, might get a robber, then you might get killed. that's then your a robber, then you might get killed.is that's then your a robber, then you might get killed.is on that's then your a robber, then you might get killed.is on our's then your a robber, then you might get killed.is on our hands. your a robber, then you might get killed.is on our hands. sorr a robber, then you might get killed.is on our hands. so we blood is on our hands. so we just this policy. yeah. on just got this policy. yeah. on the other hand, there's this thing america where thing going on in america where basically letting basically they're letting crooks get with everything. get away with everything. yeah, right. when i was right. you know, like when i was

in york and i went into this in new york and i went into this store to get some shampoo and it was up, and they told me was locked up, and they told me because unless the thief steals over it's not over $1,000 worth, it's not counted so the counted as a crime. so the police won't investigate police won't even investigate it. so what the hell is going on there? well, what is going on there— there? well, what is going on there ee— there? well, what is going on there is eew— there? well, what is going on there is law and— ”2.2? well, what is going on there is law and order “222? well, what is going on there is law and order is deeme— there is law and order is disentis-and- there is law and order is disentis and as a there is law and order is- disentis-and as a result disentis rating. and as a result of disentis rating. and as a result eee-people— disentis rating. and as a result ef-peepte-feet- disentis rating. and as a result of people feel that of that, people then feel that they— of that, people then feel that they-do — of that, people then feel that they. do whatever- of that, people then feel that they do whatever want they can do whatever they want ene—weme - they can do whatever they want ene—weme youl they can do whatever they want. ene—weme you pay and they can. why would you pay for and they can. why would you pay fer-if— and they can. why would you pay fer-if yee— and they can. why would you pay fer-if you knew- and they can. why would you pay for-if you know that- for anything if you know that ye-e— for anything if you know that yer-re rer— for anything if you know that ye eer going— for anything if you know that you're not going to face any tripe— you're not going to face any rype er— you're not going to face any type of criminal— you're not going to face any type of criminal sanctions as rere— type of criminal sanctions as erg—eree- type of criminal sanctions as tore—ereer rel long as you don't steal us eemerrrrre— long as you don't steal us eemerrrrrg up— long as you don't steal us something up to the up to a rheueere— something up to the up to a thousand dollars. 2 thousand dollars. so should leo should they have been fired for trying the robbers? trying to stop the robbers? well, i mean, obviously wéufr mean, obviously firing well, i mean, obviously firing rrem— well, i mean, obviously firing mem—rhe- well, i mean, obviously firing them _the police. them for phoning the police on a robber— them for phoning the police on a robber because— them for phoning the police on a robber because also they prererry— robber because also they probably felt— robber because also they probably felt intimidated and robber because also they prolunsaferlt intimidated and robber because also they prolunsafe during1idated and robber because also they prolunsafe during the ted and robber because also they prolunsafe during the robbery . felt unsafe during the robbery. nobody— felt unsafe during the robbery. nobody-re— felt unsafe during the robbery. nobody-to care- felt unsafe during the robbery. nobody to care about about nobody seems to care about about rrerr— nobody seems to care about about rrrerr reerrree— nobody seems to care about about their feelings they're their feelings because they're rrrey-re— their feelings because they're rrrey-re-up— their feelings because they're rrrey-re-uprrre- their feelings because they're they're up the oppression they're higher up the oppression pyramid— they're higher up the oppression pyremre reen— they're higher up the oppression pyramid than than the robbers . pyramid than than the robbers. orey. — pyramid than than the robbers. okay. so— pyramid than than the robbers. ekey. so r— pyramid than than the robbers. okay. so i mean— pyramid than than the robbers. okay. so i mean ,_ pyramid than than the robbers. okay. so i mean , but how did you okay. so i mean, but how did you reach— okay. so i mean, but how did you reach rear— okay. so i mean, but how did you reach that point— okay. so i mean, but how did you reach that point where the robbers— reach that point where the robbers are _ reach that point where the robbers are the— reach that point where the robbers are the oppressed ones? wen.— robbers are the oppressed ones? rreu. year.— robbers are the oppressed ones? rreu. yeerr. bur— robbers are the oppressed ones? well, yeah, but on— robbers are the oppressed ones? well, yeah, but on the other here.— well, yeah, but on the other rere- wen.— well, yeah, but on the other hand. well, it's— well, yeah, but on the other hand. well, it's the whole i mean, we saw— hand. well, it's the whole i mean, we saw it- hand. well, it's the whole i mean, we saw it during black rrvee— mean, we saw it during black rrvee merrer— mean, we saw it during black lives matter and— mean, we saw it during black lives matter and the antifa

rere— lives matter and the antifa rim and — lives matter and the antifa riots and stuff.— lives matter and the antifa riots and stuff. people were eeme.— riots and stuff. people were eeyrrglrre— riots and stuff. people were saying, the looting is saying, no, the looting is rrerrrree. — saying, no, the looting is justified. if— saying, no, the looting is justified. if it— saying, no, the looting is justified. if it makes you feel erre— justified. if it makes you feel safe. if— justified. if it makes you feel safe. if r— justified. if it makes you feel safe, if it makes— justified. if it makes you feel safe, if it makes you feel is seeing— safe, if it makes you feel is stealing some— safe, if it makes you feel is stealing some trainers you stealing some trainers make you reer— stealing some trainers make you eer-makes— stealing some trainers make you feet-makes yer- stealing some trainers make you feel makes you feel as feel safe or makes you feel as if rrey— feel safe or makes you feel as if hey-weir.— feel safe or makes you feel as if they .well, well,- feel safe or makes you feel as if they well, well, yeah. if they fit well, well, yeah. see— if they fit well, well, yeah. see if— if they fit well, well, yeah. see if they— if they fit well, well, yeah. see if they fit— if they fit well, well, yeah. see if they fit well- if they fit well, well, yeah. see if they fit well and - if they fit well, well, yeah. see if they fit well and you feel comfy and then feel feel comfy and then you feel safer. you people are safer. don't you know people are saying justified because of saying it's justified because of centuries oppression all centuries of oppression and all that stuff. but how does that kind of stuff. but how does smashing— that kind of stuff. but how does emeetrrg up— that kind of stuff. but how does emeetrrg up e— that kind of stuff. but how does smashing up a branch- that kind of stuff. but how does smashing up a branch of- “2 but how does smashing up a branch of boots herp— smashing up a branch of boots here—veer.- help oppressed? ian yeah, exeerry. — help oppressed? ian yeah, exactly. i mean, - help oppressed? ian yeah, exactly. i mean, make exactly. i mean, it doesn't make any—tees- exactly. i mean, it doesn't make any—tees reeke- any sense, but it does make tr— any sense, but it does make rr yer-re— any sense, but it does make sense if you're if— any sense, but it does make sense if you're if you're rooting— sense if you're if you're reekrng er— sense if you're if you're looking at it— sense if you're if you're looking at it through the prism of intersection,— looking at it through the prism of intersection, all injustice erre— of intersection, all injustice and en— of intersection, all injustice and all that— of intersection, all injustice and all that kind of intersection, all injustice- and all that kind-but and all that kind of stuff. but we've, we've had— and all that kind of stuff. but we've, we've had it— and all that kind of stuff. but we've, we've had it in- and all that kind of stuff. but we've, we've had it in london as well. those riots in well. there were those riots in london years ago where they london many years ago where they just stealing and just were stealing stuff and they it was they were pretending it was about some i don't about justice or some i don't know what was about, but know what it was about, but absolutely hammered by know what it was about, but absrpolice. hammered by know what it was about, but absrpolice. i mmered by know what it was about, but absrpolice. i mean, d by know what it was about, but absrpolice. i mean, people by know what it was about, but absrpolice. i mean, people one the police. i mean, people one guy— the police. i mean, people one guy stere— the police. i mean, people one guy erere erre— the police. i mean, people one guy stole one. one— 22; i mean, people one guy stole one. one guy stole a bag— guy stole one. one guy stole a tree or— guy stole one. one guy stole a bag of basmati_ guy stole one. one guy stole a bag of basmati rice and went to jail bag of basmati rice and went to jail rer— bag of basmati rice and went to jail fer tr.— bag of basmati rice and went to jail rer tr. arre— bag of basmati rice and went to jail for it. and it's— bag of basmati rice and went to jail for it. and it's like, man, of jail for it. and it's like, man, or eu— jail for it. and it's like, man, or art rte— jail for it. and it's like, man, of all the things— jail for it. and it's like, man, of all the things to steal, you knew— of all the things to steal, you knew wher— of all the things to steal, you knew what r— of all the things to steal, you know what i mean? you're rrrereuy— know what i mean? you're literally walking flat literally walking past flat eer-eeyeu - literally walking past flat- screen _you - basmati screen tvs and you steal basmati _tee— screen tvs and you steal basmati _tee e— screen tvs and you steal basmati rice.-had a passion- screen tvs and you steal basmati rice. had a passion for rice. yeah, we had a passion for retren— rice. yeah, we had a passion for meter-merr- - rice. yeah, we had a passion for indian-man. yeah,- indian cooking, man. yeah, netting— indian cooking, man. yeah, nothing wrong with that. all right, going to move on

right, we're going to move on rre-ve ger— right, we're going to move on now. we've got a— right, we're going to move on now. we've got a question from barbara. — now. we've got a question from barbara. eart— now. we've got a question from barbara. barb name. barbara. barb is great name. rye—eeed- barbara. barb is great name.| rye—teed i've got so many good names remarr— i've got so many good names rerrgtr. ee— i've got so many good names rerrgtr. go or— i've got so many good names tonight. go on, barbara. should i've got so many good names tonightchildren barbara. should i've got so many good names tonightchildren be 'bara. should i've got so many good names tonightchildren be made should i've got so many good names tonightchildren be made to»uld i've got so many good names tonightchildren be made to learn school children be made to learn aberr— school children be made to learn about genr— school children be made to learn about guilt and.— school children be made to learn about guilt and. oh, blimey. orey— about guilt and. oh, blimey. okay-year.— about guilt and. oh, blimey. okay-yeah, this- about guilt and. oh, blimey. okay yeah, this is this is okay so, yeah, this is this is to okay so, yeah, this is this is relwrrt— okay so, yeah, this is this is to .with this— okay so, yeah, this is this is to .with this this- okay so, yeah, this is this is to with this this story. to do with this this story. high eerreer— to do with this this story. high sewer—us- to do with this this story. high school—us are| school students in the us are going— school students in the us are going-rearr— school students in the us are going learn about the causes going to learn about the causes of radar— going to learn about the causes of racial inequality they're of racial inequality and they're going— of racial inequality and they're going-reparations. going to discuss reparations for erevery. — going to discuss reparations for erevery. _the- going to discuss reparations for slavery. the kicker. slavery. but here's the kicker. rte— slavery. but here's the kicker. rte-e— slavery. but here's the kicker. it's-a reparations- slavery. but here's the kicker. it's a reparations maths it's part of a reparations maths eurrreuurer— it's part of a reparations maths curriculum. so— it's part of a reparations maths curriculum. so francis, look, eterm— should students learn about guit— should students learn about eurrr— - should students learn about eurrr— yes-l should students learn aboutl eurrr— vee- yes guilt as a catholic? yes. yes yes. — guilt as a catholic? yes. yes yes. wat,— guilt as a catholic? yes. yes yes. rreu. trey— guilt as a catholic? yes. yes yes. well, they do- guilt as a catholic? “22: “22: p22: well, they do at catholics. yes. well, they do at catholics. weir.— yes. well, they do at catholics. rreu. r— yes. well, they do at catholics. rreu. r weer— yes. well, they do at catholics. well, i went to— p22: well, they do at catholics. well, i went to catholic school. veer.— well, i went to catholic school. yeah, absolutely.— well, i went to catholic school. yeah, absolutely. was on yeah, absolutely. that was on top— yeah, absolutely. that was on top-curriculum. - yeah, absolutely. that was on top curriculum. top of the curriculum. that urereuy— top of the curriculum. that literally things on literally was as many things on top us anyway. but we but but top of us anyway. but we but but reparations, maths. look, maths is really boring. yeah, it is . is really boring. yeah, it is. it is tedious. i used to teach it. no one likes it. let's. let's spice it up a bit. isn't it a weird thing— let's spice it up a bit. isn't it a weird thing about- 22 c a . isn't it a weird thing about sort of introducing— it a weird thing about sort of introducing social justice concerns into— introducing social justice concerns into every aspect of every— concerns into every aspect of every eremerr— concerns into every aspect of every element of— concerns into every aspect of every element of the curriculum trey— every element of the curriculum they tried— every element of the curriculum they tried re— every element of the curriculum they tried to do _ every element of the curriculum they tried to do in— every element of the curriculum they tried to do in chemistry as war,— they tried to do in chemistry as war, wretch— they tried to do in chemistry as war, which r— they tried to do in chemistry as well, which i thought was an odd _wrrye- well, which i thought was an odd _wrrye whyl one. you know why? why? why not? by one. you know why? why? why not? ray-meane— one. you know why? why? why not? rey-means. retr— one. you know why? why? why not? by . means, talk about— one. you know why? why? why not? by means, talk about these by all means, talk about these issues. _important- by all means, talk about these issues. important issues issues. they're important issues . a issues. they're important issues .—e greet- . history would be a great place to . history would be a great place renter.— . history would be a great place

relrter. rearr— . history would be a great place to that. right yeah, that to do that. right yeah, that word— to do that. right yeah, that would work. _ to do that. right yeah, that would work. ' “2 to do that. right yeah, that would work. ' 2 to do that. right yeah, that would work. ' “2 would work. and i think this you know, democrats are sort of know, the democrats are sort of inflating that reparations inflating hopes that reparations are paid. but i are going to be paid. but i don't think i mean,- 22 “2 2 but i don't think i mean, california, for exempte— don't think i mean, california, for example, they've a had for example, they've had a had a beard— for example, they've had a had a beard rear-e— for example, they've had a had a board that's recommended. you knew.— board that's recommended. you inert—rere- know, they appointed this board to-reparations- know, they appointed this board to-reparations and- know, they appointed this board to reparations and the to look into reparations and the beard—year.- to look into reparations and the beard—year. we| board recommended, yeah, we eterm— board recommended, yeah, we sierra—rtrrki should pay everybody. i think it's should pay everybody. i think rr-e between— should pay everybody. i think it's between i and - should pay everybody. i think it's between and $5 million, it's between 1.2 and $5 million, pav— it's between 1.2 and $5 million, pay-.— it's between 1.2 and $5 million, pay-r everybody- it's between 1.2 and $5 million, pay , everybody who's pay everybody, everybody who's been —erevery- pay everybody, everybody who's beer—erevery .- pay everybody, everybody who's been _ slavery . so i pay everybody, everybody who's been slavery . so if been affected by slavery. so if you— been affected by slavery. so if yer-preve— been affected by slavery. so if you-prove .you're - you can prove that you're a deserted— you can prove that you're a. descended-people you can prove that you're a- descended-people who descended from from people who are descended from from people who ere- tree.— descended from from people who ere- rter. yer— descended from from people who are , then, you know, you are slaves, then, you know, you eer-r— are slaves, then, you know, you eer-r teet— are slaves, then, you know, you eer-r test you— are slaves, then, you know, you can't just you can't— are slaves, then, you know, you can't just you can't just watch teete— can't just you can't just watch reere err— can't just you can't just watch reere err ovo— can't just you can't just watch roots on dvd and— can't just you can't just watch roots on dvd and then say, yeah, i roots on dvd and then say, yeah, r weer— roots on dvd and then say, yeah, r weer £20.— roots on dvd and then say, yeah, i want £20. there— roots on dvd and then say, yeah, i want £20. there is— roots on dvd and then say, yeah, i want £20. there is no. but eveerery— i want £20. there is no. but eveenery re— i want £20. there is no. but everyone is descended from slaves at some point along the line. well, this is the thing. they— line. well, this is the thing. rney eevv— line. well, this is the thing. they saw people— . well, this is the thing. they saw people like you coming, andrew.— they saw people like you coming, anorevvlrney-re— they saw people like you coming, andrew, they're only doing andrew, and they're only doing it andrew, and they're only doing rrlneonre— andrew, and they're only doing it people affected by it for people affected by transatlantic _ it for people affected by transatlantic ,- it for people affected by transatlantic , the transatlantic transatlantic, the transatlantic stove— transatlantic, the transatlantic stove-non. - transatlantic, the transatlantic slave - right. so i transatlantic, the transatlantic. slave-right. so when slave trade. oh, right. so when the english came over to ireland and, you know, messed with my ancestors, about ancestors, no one cares about the irish. this is no one cares. ven-re— the irish. this is no one cares. you're right. you didn't- 2 this is no one cares. /2r. ”2; 2“ you didn't have you're right. you didn't have a nororoee— you're right. you didn't have a pororoee for— you're right. you didn't have a pororoee for o— you're right. you didn't have a potatoes for a few— /2r. ”2; 2 2“. you didn't have a potatoes for a few years. v/2- 22; 2 2“. you didn't have a potatoes for a few years. move rte— potatoes for a few years. move rr-e ner— potatoes for a few years. move on. it's not just— potatoes for a few years. move on. it's not just about- potatoes for a few years. move on. it's not just about it's not just about chips. yeah, it's about. it's about the massacre at drogheda. oh, right. come on.

roe-u— at drogheda. oh, right. come on. vve-u nove— at drogheda. oh, right. come on. vve-u nove o— at drogheda. oh, right. come on. we'll have a guinness— t22 oh, right. come on. we'll have a guinness and we'll get—my— we'll have a guinness and we'll eer—my gooeneee. l get over it. oh, my goodness. eer— get over it. oh, my goodness. eer-eer— get over it. oh, my goodness. eer-eer yon— get over it. oh, my goodness. but-but you can- get over it. oh, my goodness. but but you can look. but look. but you can look. rnrnv— but look. but you can look. think about— but look. but you can look. think about it— but look. but you can look. think about it like this, right, john?— think about it like this, right, john? ano— think about it like this, right, john? and lesley. john, miss gendere— john? and lesley. john, miss genders. lesley— john? and lesley. john, miss genders. lesley three times in the conversation— genders. lesley three times in the conversation .— genders. lesley three times in the conversation . how oppressed the conversation. how oppressed is the conversation. how oppressed re veerey— the conversation. how oppressed re veerey or— the conversation. how oppressed is lesley at the— the conversation. how oppressed is lesley at the end of the day? so is lesley at the end of the day? so more— is lesley at the end of the day? so more o— is lesley at the end of the day? so that's a maths— is lesley at the end of the day? so that's a maths question. it's a so that's a maths question. it's o nome— so that's a maths question. it's a maths question— so that's a maths question. it's a maths question 12. 222; so that's a maths question. it's a maths question 12. “222; so that's a maths question. it's a maths question 12. “22»2; 22» a maths question 12. there we go . vent. ane— a maths question 12. there we go .veen. one tre— a maths question 12. there we go . yeah. and it's whatever- a maths question 12. “222; 22» v423“ and it's whatever you . yeah. and it's whatever you reen— . yeah. and it's whatever you reer. veen— . yeah. and it's whatever you feel. yeah whatever- v423“ and it's whatever you feel. yeah whatever you feel, tre— feel. yeah whatever you feel, its rne — feel. yeah whatever you feel, its rne nonr— feel. yeah whatever you feel, it's the right answer. v423“ it's the right answer. yeah, exeerry. — it's the right answer. yeah, exeerry. se— it's the right answer. yeah, exnerry. se r— it's the right answer. yeah, exactly. so i would have passed my maths gcse if we'd have had social justice stuff in it. yeah, exactly. there we go. well look, that's what we got time for here. but after the break on free i'm going free speech nation, i'm going to be by editor of be joined by the editor of spiked online, slater, to spiked online, tom slater, to discuss censorship after discuss film censorship after another failed to another old classic failed to pass taste test. pass the modern day taste test. see a moment.

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nooro. — welcome back to free speech norton— welcome back to free speech norton vvrrn— welcome back to free speech nation with me. _ welcome back to free speech nation with me. ' 2 welcome back to free speech nation with me. ' “2 t nation with me. andrew doyle. so it's an issue that pops up from time to time, whether or not it's acceptable to edit older works of to art, cater for modern sensitivities . eagle eyed modern sensitivities. eagle eyed film fans this week have spotted that two streaming services have cut a famous scene from the oscar winning classic the french connection to remove racial slurs. so here to discuss the rights and wrongs of censoring the classics, please welcome the editor online, editor of spiked online, tom slater, . so this is william slater, who. so this is william friedkin's film , the french friedkin's film, the french connection is considered a classics gene hackman. what have they done to the film? so on these two streaming- �*" 7 so on these two streaming services, apple— these two streaming services, apple rv— these two streaming services, apple rv one— these two streaming services, apple tv and the— these two streaming services, apple tv and the criterion manner.— apple tv and the criterion channel, there's a particular vine— channel, there's a particular kind or— channel, there's a particular kind of 42nd,— channel, there's a particular kind of 42nd, i— channel, there's a particular kind of 42nd, i believe, segment of kind of 42nd, i believe, segment or me— kind of 42nd, i believe, segment of rne eeene— kind of 42nd, i believe, segment of the scene in— kind of 42nd, i believe, segment of the scene in which one of the eoroeernre— of the scene in which one of the characters, gene— of the scene in which one of the characters, gene hackman's denote.— characters, gene hackman's enoroerer. o— characters, gene hackman's character, a kind— characters, gene hackman's character, a kind of hardboiled cop,— character, a kind of hardboiled c0rte-n— character, a kind of hardboiled eon-n wore- character, a kind of hardboiled eon-n were in- character, a kind of hardboiled cop, n word in relation cop, uses the n word in relation to o— cop, uses the n word in relation to o eree— cop, uses the n word in relation to a drug dealer. _ cop, uses the n word in relation to a drug dealer. 2; to a drug dealer. he just sort of shaken down. so very much. you understand it within the you can understand it within the context would seem context of the film would seem to sense. not so for these to make sense. not so for these two services. it's two streaming services. it's a bit because one knows bit curious because no one knows why happened. dumas is why this has happened. dumas is

actually owned currently by disney, but on disney plus the scene so a lot scene is there intact. so a lot of questions been raised. of questions have been raised. but the time, given the but at the same time, given the particular were a particular 40s that were cut, a lot are understandably lot of people are understandably concerned we're once again concerned that we're once again seeing that censoring to bring it modern it in line with modern sensibilities. but this is entered— sensibilities. but this is labelled-being- sensibilities. but this is labelled-being an. sensibilities. but this is labelled-being an film. labelled as being an adult film. it's labelled as being an adult film. to re— labelled as being an adult film. to re-rr-e— labelled as being an adult film. it's 18-it's not— labelled as being an adult film. it's 18-it's not as- labelled as being an adult film. it's 18 it's not as though it's 18 plus. it's not as though entreren— it's 18 plus. it's not as though children-going— children are going to accidentally this, children are going to acratentally this, children are going to acrat leasty this, children are going to ac» at least they this, children are going to acrat least they shouldn't.this, children are going to ac» at least they shouldn't. so ., or at least they shouldn't. so ten-r— or at least they shouldn't. so ten-r tr— or at least they shouldn't. so ten-r it no— or at least they shouldn't. so ten-r it no ro— or at least they shouldn't. so isn't it up to it— or at least they shouldn't. so isn't it up to it should be up to viewers— isn't it up to it should be up to viewers to _ isn't it up to it should be up to viewers to decide what they veron— to viewers to decide what they eaten-rney— to viewers to decide what they watch they don't? watch and what they don't? aeeererery. — watch and what they don't? absolutely. _think - watch and what they don't? i absolutely. _think that's absolutely. and i think that's one thing where people when you see cases like this and we should got should say we haven't got a statement side statement from the other side from other side of this yet, from the other side of this yet, even though it does look very suspicious. been suspicious. but there have been many like and many other cases like this. and i think where streaming services are concerned, it is a bit chilling because fact chilling because of the fact that about that we're not talking about them judicious them making some judicious edits. out at 7 edits. they can put it out at 7 pm. or something. yes we're talking about the fact this talking about the fact that this is can is the version that you can access. it's the same access. often it's the same version across multiple streaming this a streaming services. this is a bit unusual. yes. and so the ability for just a few gatekeepers to say this is the acceptable this acceptable version of this particular tv series or

particular film or tv series or whatever is quite chilling whatever is quite a chilling one. is of literal one. is there a kind of literal nrneeeneee— mindedness going on here as new — mindedness going on here as new _ther- mindedness going on here as well? _that these. well? the idea that these characters morally characters have to be morally pure isn't there pure or, you know, isn't there something to said for something to be said for characters who aren't, who are quite characters who aren't, who are quhe do characters who aren't, who are quitunpleasant do characters who aren't, who are quitunpleasant things, do characters who aren't, who are quitunpleasant things, shockingo say unpleasant things, shocking things that's things even, you know, that's part it? it is part of drama, isn't it? it is part of drama, isn't it? it is part of drama, isn't it? it is part of drama. and- part of drama, isn't it? it is part of drama. and it's- part of drama. and it's also part— part of drama. and it's also non—rnrnk- part of drama. and it's alsol part—think that's part of history. i think that's one-rnrnee— part of history. i think that's one things that's one of the things that's important— one of the things that's important to- one of the things that's important to is one of the things that's important to-is you important to stress, is when you go important to stress, is when you eo—rnrol go back into the past and into the go back into the past and into rne—onel go back into the past and into. rne—one eron the kind of film canon and start neeerne— the kind of film canon and start messing around— the kind of film canon and start messing around with things, yore— messing around with things, yore eree— messing around with things, you're also messing around with enor— what is, in a sense, a bit of a kine— what is, in a sense, a bit of a kind-historical— what is, in a sense, a bit of al kind.historical_a kind of historical document, a enonenor— kind of historical document, al onenenor—nrenr snapshot of what people might nove— snapshot of what people mighti have—particular have been like at the particular time— have been like at the particular time nor— have been like at the particular fine no n— have been like at the particular time that it was— have been like at the particular time that it was made or denoted.— time that it was made or depicted. or— time that it was made or depicted. or we saw time that it was made or depicted. or we-saw 2020 depicted. or we also saw in 2020 vvnen—or— depicted. or we also saw in 2020 vvnen—orirne- depicted. or we also saw in 2020 when_of.the kind| depicted. or we also saw in 2020 wiblack-of.the kind| depicted. or we also saw in 2020 wiblack lives of the kind depicted. or we also saw in 2020 wiblack lives of protests nd of black lives matter protests one— of black lives matter protests one-on.— of black lives matter protests onelon erron— of black lives matter protests and-on, birth-a- of black lives matter protests and on, birth a nation, and so on, birth of a nation, err.— and so on, birth of a nation, nit-cuss..- and so on, birth of a nation, d.w. classic classic d.w. griffith's classic classic tin — d.w. griffith's classic classici tin —rron film being pulled down from erreonrne— film being pulled down from streaming—was. film being pulled down from. streaming—was later film being pulled down from. stre back]_was later film being pulled down from stre back] a was later film being pulled down from stre back] a big/as later put back up with a big disclaimer— put back up with a big disclaimer film is a put back up with a big- disclaimer-film is a good put back up with a big disclaimeinsofarfilm is a good put back up with a big disclaimeinsofar as] is a good put back up with a big disclaimeinsofar as it's a good example insofar as it's a seminar— example insofar as it's a seminal cinematic achievement. example insofar as it's a sen also cinematic achievement. example insofar as it's a sen also ci deeply: achievement. example insofar as it's a sen also ci deeply racisttvement. example insofar as it's a sen also ci deeply racist film ant. it's also a deeply racist film in it's also a deeply racist film rn—eer- it's also a deeply racist film rn—ner yoel it's also a deeply racist film i rn—ner yon in many respects, but you can nove— in many respects, but you can nove rvvo— in many respects, but you can have two things— in many respects, but you can have two things at same have two things at the same time. — have two things at the same time. _isl have two things at the same- time._is because time. and the problem is because of_mindedness- time. and the problem is because of_mindedness as- of this literal mindedness as you— of this literal mindedness as you reek— of this literal mindedness as you talk about,— of this literal mindedness as you talk about, kind you talk about, we've kind of rnrovvn— you talk about, we've kind ofi thrown—nuance you talk about, we've kind ofi throan_nuance you talk about, we've kind of throan audience nuance you talk about, we've kind of throan audience can nuance you talk about, we've kind of throan audience can understand you talk about, we've kind of throisi audience can understand you talk about, we've kind of throis aiudience can understand you talk about, we've kind of throis a different:an understand you talk about, we've kind of throis a different time. erstand this is a different time. we een-r—rnrnee- this is a different time. we| don't—things like don't approve of things like that i can that now. i mean, i can understand people would be that now. i mean, i can undeery�*id people would be that now. i mean, i can underv by certain people would be that now. i mean, i can underv by certain terminology. be upset by certain terminology. you epithets be you know, racial epithets can be upsetting them. upsetting just by hearing them.

but are able but adults are able to understand the context, right? i mean, example i would mean, an example i would give is when huckleberry finn was republished without any racial epithets in but of course, epithets in it. but of course, it's anti—racist book. and it's an anti—racist book. and part reason for having part of the reason for having the is it makes the epithets is it makes a judgement against the people who are them. no, judgement against the people who are them . no, completely. are using them. no, completely. ane— are using them. no, completely. and—different. and there's so many different exonnree—yoel and there's so many different- examples_you need examples of that where you need to eee— examples of that where you need to use incredibly— examples of that where you need to use incredibly coarse renovate.— to use incredibly coarse language. you need depict the language. you need to depict the mine— language. you need to depict the rnrne—rornne- thing that you're railing eeene.— thing that you're railing against-that- thing that you're railing against. that should against. yes, that should be obvious—and- against. yes, that should be obvious—and yet| against. yes, that should be- obvious_and yet that obvious to anyone. and yet that onnorenrry— obvious to anyone. and yet that onnorenrry ten-r— obvious to anyone. and yet that apparently isn't even necessarily-. apparently isn't even. necessarily-. or apparently isn't even- necessarily-. or at apparently isn't even— necessarily-. or at least necessarily allowed. or at least rnere-e— necessarily allowed. or at least there's - sensitivity - necessarily allowed. or at least there's sensitivity around there's this sensitivity around it there's this sensitivity around rr—nor— there's this sensitivity around rr—nor ony- there's this sensitivity around rr—nor ony tre- there's this sensitivity around| it_not any it's not it and there's not any it's not as it and there's not any it's not oeonlyone-e— it and there's not any it's not as anyone's drawn up any hard as if anyone's drawn up any hard one— as if anyone's drawn up any hard one-retes— as if anyone's drawn up any hard and-rules-how- as if anyone's drawn up any hard and-rules-how to- as if anyone's drawn up any hard and rules how to deal and fast rules about how to deal vvrrn— and fast rules about how to deal vvrrn-yer. — and fast rules about how to deal vvrrn-yer. eer— and fast rules about how to deal with .yet. but-can- and fast rules about how to deal with yet. but can tell with this yet. but you can tell rnere-e— with this yet. but you can tell rnere-e rnor— with this yet. but you can tell there's that nervousness. and onen— often this cack handed censorship,— censorship, which happens as a consequence of that and you see it consequence of that and you see rr-vvrrn— consequence of that and you see it-with streaming- consequence of that and you see it with streaming services it a lot with streaming services for it a lot with streaming services tor-one— it a lot with streaming services for-some reason,- for some for some reason, nonreeror— particular with comedy as well. it's particular with comedy as well. rte-movies.— particular with comedy as well. it's-movies.lmean,- it's not just movies. i mean, i've quite a lot of the i've seen quite a lot of the warnings on like gone warnings on things like gone with wind or whatever with the wind or whatever the film says film might be that says this thing might upset you or dumbo, i another peter i think was another dumbo. peter pan. really? what's pan. peter pan. really? what's so upsetting pan so upsetting about peter pan depictions of native american people ? so this was on the people? so this was on the money— people? so this was on the money rrne— people? so this was on the disney plus disney- 7 so this was on the disney plus disney plus have got a-rai>_ disney plus disney plus have got o-ron ner— disney plus disney plus have got o-ron nor vvrrn- disney plus disney plus have got a-rap list with this,- a very long rap list with this, vnen— a very long rap list with this, vvnren re— a very long rap list with this, which is quite— a very long rap list with this, which is quite interesting, one of which is quite interesting, one or-vvoe— which is quite interesting, one or-vvoe o—

which is quite interesting, one of was a documentary which is quite interesting, one ofclimbervas a documentary which is quite interesting, one ofclimber because :umentary which is quite interesting, one ofclimber because heientary which is quite interesting, one ofclimber because he usedy a climber because he used the f wore—rney- a climber because he used the f word _they took. a climber because he used the f word _they took iti word in one scene. they took it down— word in one scene. they took it down, - removed - word in one scene. they took it down,-removed the- word in one scene. they took it down, removed the simpsons down, they removed the simpsons enreoee— down, they removed the simpsons episode—michael- episode that featured michael jackson—rr- jackson just because it had rrrenoer— jackson just because it had michael jackson in it. so rney-re— michael jackson in it. so rney-re iner— michael jackson in it. so they're just making these they're just making up these rnrnee— they're just making up these. rnrnee—vveu. things as they go along. well, rrne-e— things as they go along. well, that's-problem— things as they go along. well, that's-problem is- things as they go along. well, that's problem is there are that's the problem is there are people companies people at these companies deciding what best you deciding what is best for you and watch . right. that's and i to watch. right. that's it's kind of it's a paternalistic kind of thing. and what worries me as wat— thing. and what worries me as wat-aa— thing. and what worries me as well-fact that— thing. and what worries me as well-fact that you- “2 and what worries me as well fact that you often well is the fact that you often eee—or- well is the fact that you often i see—of consolidate see a lot of kind of consolidate going— see a lot of kind of consolidate going-tn— see a lot of kind of consolidate going-in rneee— see a lot of kind of consolidate going-in these big- see a lot of kind of consolidate going in these big media going on in these big media eoeeen— going on in these big media spaces-_wee- spaces. so disney plus, you know.— spaces. so disney plus, you knovvlovvne— spaces. so disney plus, you know, owns called the know, it owns it's called the stor— know, it owns it's called the star—nonem- know, it owns it's called thei star—nongnr en star wars stuff. it bought up zern— star wars stuff. it bought up zen—novel 20th century fox us now, oevroeery— 20th century fox us now, obviously .the - 20th century fox us now, obviously the moment 20th century fox us now, obviously-the moment can obviously at the moment you can oeeeee—rnroeen- access these things through a kine— access these things through a kind or— access these things through a kind or-yoe- access these things through a kind of-you can- access these things through a kind of you can find a kind of usually you can find a tin— kind of usually you can find a film-multiple— film on multiple streaming eervreee— film on multiple streaming- eervreee—vvon-r services and so on, but it won't neeeeeonry— services and so on, but it won't necessarily always— services and so on, but it won't necessarily always be the case. ane— necessarily always be the case. one given— necessarily always be the case. and given .fact_ necessarily always be the case. and given fact that we are and given the fact that we are often — often moving towards a kind of poor— often moving towards a kind of poor-eonree— often moving towards a kind of post-copieslthingsl post physical copies of things kine— post physical copies of things kind-yee.— post physical copies of things kind-yee. yon- post physical copies of things kind-yes, you are- post physical copies of things kind yes, you are in a kind of era, yes, you are in a situation— situation where whichever- version—service version that particular service noe— version that particular service nee re— version that particular service tree to for— version that particular service has is for all— version that particular service has is for all intensive purposes.— has is for all intensive- purposes,-version purposes, the only version yore— purposes, the only version yore going— purposes, the only version you're going and that purposes, the only version- you're going-and that is you're going to get. and that is a_whyl a worrying thing, which why noyne— a worrying thing, which why. noyne—eeyrne maybe you start to start buying up nose— maybe you start to start buying up those physical— maybe you start to start buying up those physical copies. �*fvi2;-- up those physical copies. well, i up those physical copies. well, v_ua._ up those physical copies. well, r—rner. yee- up those physical copies. well, i_that, you know,| i was thinking that, you know, we've spoken this before we've spoken on this show before about that the streaming towers that on the bbc streaming service removes an entire service that removes an entire scene with character , the scene with the character, the major, cleese and major, even though cleese and

booth were mocking the major for using racial slurs . that's why using racial slurs. that's why he uses them. so to remove that entire scene, it presupposes that we won't get the joke , that we won't get the joke, doesn't it? i think i think more— doesn't it? i think i think that's exactly— doesn't it? i think i think that's exactly it.- 2 . .7’ i think i think that's exactly it. and it points to one— that's exactly it. and it points to rnrne— that's exactly it. and it points to one thing that— that's exactly it. and it points to one thing that underlines all of to one thing that underlines all or rneee— to one thing that underlines all of these things,— to one thing that underlines all of these things, always underlines— of these things, always underlines is underlines censorship, which is content— underlines censorship, which is contempt for— underlines censorship, which is contempt for the— underlines censorship, which is contempt for the audience. infantilization_ contempt for the audience. infantilization the audience, infantilization of the audience, an infantilization of the audience, on rnonrrrry— infantilization of the audience, an inability to— infantilization of the audience, an inability to give them enough reevvoy— an inability to give them enough reevvoy ro— an inability to give them enough reevvoy ro eey— an inability to give them enough leeway to say they'll understand this leeway to say they'll understand tie in— leeway to say they'll understand this in context.— leeway to say they'll understand this in context. they won't rnrnk— this in context. they won't rnrnk rnor— this in context. they won't think that we,— this in context. they won't think that we, as the bbc or unv— think that we, as the bbc or do ore— think that we, as the bbc or uktv are endorsing this. they're proj'ecting— uktv are endorsing this. they're nroteerrng rnerr— uktv are endorsing this. they're projecting their own literal mindedness— projecting their own literal mindedness onto everyone else in many— mindedness onto everyone else in many respects.— mindedness onto everyone else in many reeneere. ane— mindedness onto everyone else in many respects. and i think more— many respects. and i think more one— many respects. and i think that's one thing you see in all of that's one thing you see in all or rneee— that's one thing you see in all of these cases— that's one thing you see in all of these cases censorship, of these cases of censorship, vnen— of these cases of censorship, vvnren on— of these cases of censorship, which on - hand - of these cases of censorship, which on hand chilling, but which on one hand chilling, but eree— which on one hand chilling, but nee-or— which on one hand chilling, but also-of ridiculous.- which on one hand chilling, but also of ridiculous. they which on one hand chilling, but also think ridiculous. they which on one hand chilling, but also think ridiexistence they really think the existence of nor— really think the existence of rnor—rne - really think the existence of that—the major. really think the existence of that the major is that scene with the major is going— that scene with the major is going-ornate— that scene with the major is going single handedly lead to going to single handedly lead to eorneroer-er— going to single handedly lead to some racist upsurge in a some sort of racist upsurge in a eoenrrye— country? of course citizen? vveu. — country? of course citizen? vveu. _o— country? of course citizen? well, _a class- country? of course citizen? i well,-a class element country? of course citizen? i wethis - a class element country? of course citizen? i wethis as-a class element country? of course citizen? thhis as well? class element country? of course citizen? thhis as well? becauserment country? of course citizen? thhis as well? because allnt country? of course citizen? thhis as well? because all of to this as well? because all of these to be these things seem to be affecting mostly streaming services, , what you'd call services, tv, what you'd call popular culture . they haven't popular culture. they haven't really gone quite yet for the high arts, we? so if you high arts, have we? so if you take the merchant venice high arts, have we? so if you trthe the merchant venice high arts, have we? so if you trthe character/ierchant venice high arts, have we? so if you trthe character ofchant venice high arts, have we? so if you trthe character of shylock, venice high arts, have we? so if you trthe character of shylock, the ce , the character of shylock, the depiction of shylock in that i think undeniably

think is undeniably anti—semitic. haven't seen anti—semitic. i haven't seen productions of that. shakespeare play, you know, curbed as a result of that because i think they they assume the audience will get that written 400 will get that it was written 400 years ago. no, i think that's rrenr. — years ago. no, i think that's rrgnr. ane— years ago. no, i think that's rent. one r— years ago. no, i think that's right. and i think— 2 no, i think that's right. and i think they also assume of assume that the audience is of a certain— assume that the audience is of a eenorn-rnerr- assume that the audience is of a certain _their minds,- certain calibre in their minds, at certain calibre in their minds, or—o— certain calibre in their minds, or—o enonneryl at least there's a snobbery mere.— at least there's a snobbery mere-re— at least there's a snobbery there, is suggest at least there's a snobbery- there,-is.suggest they there, which is to suggest they wru— there, which is to suggest they will understand— there, which is to suggest they will understand context, will understand it in context, neeoeee— because they're good, well—read, well—educated _ because they're good, well—read, well—educated people who are going— well—educated people who are going shakespeare. going to see shakespeare. vvnereoe— going to see shakespeare. whereas someone going to see shakespeare. - whereas-someone who's whereas if there's someone who's just whereas if there's someone who's tee—o— whereas if there's someone who's tee—o erreonrnel just flicking on to a streaming service.— just flicking on to a streaming service—onl service, trying to look at an ore— service, trying to look at anl ore—rney old sitcom or whatever, they eon-r— old sitcom or whatever, they can't—there's- can't be trusted. there's eerrnrrery— definitely a strong undercurrent. t definitely a strong undercurrent. does problem undercurrent. does the problem here universities? here start in universities? there's that have there's a lot of texts that have been trigger been slapped with trigger warnings saying you know, warnings saying that, you know, you and you you might read this and you might this. that might get upset by this. is that sort this culture sort of cultivating this culture whereby we ultimately up whereby we ultimately end up with you with a situation where, you know, all these know, we have all these gatekeepers can know, we have all these gatecannot; can know, we have all these gatecannot even can know, we have all these gatecannot even read. i can know, we have all these gatecannot even read. i think can and cannot even read. i think that's such and cannot even read. i think more even o— and cannot even read. i think that's such a good— 2“2 2 2 ithink that's such a good point because the that's such a good point because rne reor— that's such a good point because rne roer rnor. — that's such a good point because the fact that, .know, - the fact that, you know, a few years— the fact that, you know, a few yeore-vvnen — the fact that, you know, a few yeore-vvnen yon- the fact that, you know, a few years when you saw a lot of years ago when you saw a lot of the years ago when you saw a lot of rne-rneone— years ago when you saw a lot of the-insane kind- years ago when you saw a lot of the insane kind woke the kind of insane kind of woke norreree— the kind of insane kind of woke norreree-rneeer— the kind of insane kind of woke policies trigger warnings on universities trigger warnings on all universities trigger warnings on err-reve— universities trigger warnings on err-rents .— universities trigger warnings on all texts , including universities trigger warnings on all high texts , including universities trigger warnings on all high teitextsncluding universities trigger warnings on all high teitexts andjing universities trigger warnings on all high teitexts and many many high art texts and many stronge— many high art texts and many strange _everyonel many high art texts and many strarall-everyonel many high art texts and many strar all of everyone many high art texts and many strar all of this everyone many high art texts and many strarall of this is everyone many high art texts and many strarall of this is ridiculous, said all of this is ridiculous, ner— said all of this is ridiculous, but-culture— said all of this is ridiculous, but culture that's but it's a culture that's eonrrnee— but it's a culture that's confined to— but it's a culture that's confined to the university eorneen — confined to the university campus. .quite- confined to the university campus. quite clear that we

campus. it's quite clear that we all campus. it's quite clear that we err—eonnee- campus. it's quite clear that we all—campus now.- all live on that campus now. rnoee—eonel all live on that campus now. - those _gone. they've those people have gone. they've entree— those people have gone. they've staffed _ different. staffed these various different eornororrone. — corporations. also these corporations, _ corporations. also these corporations, the older people at corporations, the older people or rneee — corporations, the older people at these companies are quite eeoree— at these companies are quite scared .these_ at these companies are quite scared these younger intake. scared of these younger intake. they— they feel that they've got the nonr— they feel that they've got the morn-so - moral authority. so unfortunately, that kind of mad none— unfortunately, that kind of mad none-vve— unfortunately, that kind of mad world-we might- unfortunately, that kind of mad world we might have looked world that we might have looked at world that we might have looked or—o— world that we might have looked or—o revv- world that we might have looked or—o revv yeorel at from a distance a few years ago— at from a distance a few years ego-american- at from a distance a few years ago american campuses ago on elite american campuses is ago on elite american campuses re-neen— ago on elite american campuses re-neen rne— ago on elite american campuses re-neen rne one- ago on elite american campuses is much the one that is now very much the one that vveve-r— is now very much the one that vveve-r rnrnk- is now very much the one that we're-i think my- we're living in. i think my favourite— we're living in. i think my favourite was— we're living in. i think my favourite was the university rnor— favourite was the university rnor-rneeer- favourite was the university that trigger warning that put a trigger warning on the that put a trigger warning on- rne—eoyrng the old man and the sea, saying it the old man and the sea, saying rr—or— the old man and the sea, saying rr—or greene- it contains scenes of graphic nnrenrna. — it contains scenes of graphic nnrenrna. .se- it contains scenes of graphic nnrenrna. .se e- it contains scenes of graphic phishing. it contains scenes of graphic- phishing. .so a lot to think phishing. agh. so a lot to think about slater, thanks about there. tom slater, thanks so joining tonight. so much for joining me tonight. really . so after really appreciate it. so after the break on free speech nation, we're going to be attempting to answer one the oldest answer one of the oldest questions around is there such a thing ghosts ? but you don't thing as ghosts? but you don't want to miss that .

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norton. — welcome back to free speech norton. se— welcome back to free speech norton. se e— welcome back to free speech nation. 2 nation. so a spooky segment now to send some shivers up the spines of my studio audience, the host of tv series most haunted, yvette fielding insists that ghosts are the real deal . that ghosts are the real deal. now, if you need a most haunted refresher , here did you refresher, here you go. did you make a noise then, with your voice ? what the. what was that? voice? what the. what was that? do you mean as harm? are you connected to this sarcophagus? listen. listen . it came listen. listen to that. it came from— listen. listen to that. it came tron-nee. — listen. listen to that. it came from-here. the- listen. listen to that. it came. from .here. the atmosphere from over here. the atmosphere down here, you can literally cut with a knife. what is that behind you? i don't know where that's from. you're that's coming from. you're attached-this— that's coming from. you're attached-this .- that's coming from. you're attached-this . is- that's coming from. you're attached .this . is this. 2 “2 you're attached this . is this you attached to this. is this you guys— attached to this. is this you guys ? _ attached to this. is this you anye e rrn— attached to this. is this you onyee the re— attached to this. is this you guys ? “ attached to this. is this you- guys ? this is incredible , right? guys? this is incredible, right? what was that ? very— guys? “ 22 2 2“.7 what was that ? very sorry. what was that? very sorry. something-e— what was that? very sorry. something's just— what was that? very sorry. something's just grabbed my coat. something just grabbed my coat. something just grabbed my coat. something just grabbed my coat . so this coat. something just grabbed my coat. so this is a debate i've been— coat. so this is a debate i've been wanting— coat. so this is a debate i've been wanting to— 2 so this is a debate i've been wanting to have for a one— been wanting to have for a vvnrre. oer— been wanting to have for a while. our ghosts and supernatural- while. our ghosts and supernatural forces real. i'm eerrenree— supernatural forces real. i'm oerrgnree ro— supernatural forces real. i'm delighted to say. yvette joins ne— delighted to say. yvette joins me now , along— delighted to say. yvette joins me now , along with broadcaster me now, along with broadcaster evenn— me now, along with broadcaster erenn henr— me now, along with broadcaster erenn rent .— me now, along with broadcaster glenn hunt , who,— me now, along with broadcaster glenn hunt, who, of me now, along with broadcaster glenn hunt , who, of course, says glenn hunt, who, of course, says rnere-e— glenn hunt, who, of course, says there's absolutely— glenn hunt, who, of course, says there's absolutely no scientific proof—welcome. there's absolutely no scientific. proof—welcome both proof whatsoever. welcome both to me— proof whatsoever. welcome both to rne enev— proof whatsoever. welcome both to rne enovv .— proof whatsoever. welcome both to the show . yvette, i want to to the show. yvette, i want to ro— to the show. yvette, i want to

to you— to the show. yvette, i want to come to you first,— to the show. yvette, i want to come to you first, if you don't nine.— come to you first, if you don't nine. vvnen— come to you first, if you don't mind. when you— come to you first, if you don't mind. when you got involved in moor— mind. when you got involved in meet reenter— mind. when you got involved in most haunted was— mind. when you got involved in most haunted was this because yon— most haunted was this because were you a sceptic— most haunted was this because were you a sceptic at that nonre— were you a sceptic at that nornre-rnor- were you a sceptic at that point?-that the- were you a sceptic at that. point?-that the-has point? is it that the show has eonvrneee— point? is it that the show has convinced-ghosts. convinced you that ghosts exist, or-yoe— convinced you that ghosts exist, or-yoe envoys— convinced you that ghosts exist, or you always believe that or did you always believe that rney— or did you always believe that rney noe— or did you always believe that rney nee e — or did you always believe that they had .7 well,— or did you always believe that they had ? �*fv�*r2;-- �*" or did you always believe that they had ? �*fvt2;-- �*7 they had? well, firstly, i want to thank you very much for to say thank you very much for having me the show . so to say thank you very much for having me the show. so and having me on the show. so and yes, i first started 25 yes, when i first started 25 years ago, i was not really sure and a bit sceptical about the whole thing. and i was i was quite frightened about it really . um, and after , after, oh my . um, and after, after, oh my goodness. starting the show. 25 years of paranormal investigation means investigating locations around the world. i have seen and heard things that's completely changed my mind that no , no rational my mind that no, no rational explanation even, you know, there isn't one. and for me it's completely changed my life. i'm no longer scared of death and i really want to try and push that message out to people that have lost loved ones is that there is

life after death . and we started life after death. and we started most haunted experience where people can when people say, oh, most haunted is fake, you know, it's all rubbish. i say, well, actually, come on board and come with the you can with me in the crew. you can choose a location anywhere around the country for around the country and see for yourself. don't make a judgement until yourself . and until you see for yourself. and we've running years we've been running for six years now events and now doing these events and changing people's minds, which i think is fantastic. we've had members police, had members of the police, we've had members of the police, we've had members forces join members of the police, we've had me politicians forces join members of the police, we've had me politicians . forces join members of the police, we've had me politicians . we've forces join members of the police, we've had me politicians . we've had :es join us, politicians. we've had people love it and they come along and go, oh my god, this is amazing. and they come along again. so that for me is the most important thing, is just opening people's eyes it. but opening people's eyes to it. but i say seeing is i always say seeing is believing. we expect believing. how can we expect anybody to believe anything thing unless they experience something for themselves ? well, something for themselves? well, let me bring glenn in on- “2 7 well, let me bring glenn in on that very— let me bring glenn in on that very point.— let me bring glenn in on that very nornr. vou— let me bring glenn in on that very point. you know, so when i roen— very point. you know, so when i four years— very point. you know, so when i was four years old, _ very point. you know, so when i was four years old, i saw a enoer. — was four years old, i saw a enoer. r— was four years old, i saw a gnoer. r eon— was four years old, i saw a ghost. i can still- was four years old, i saw a ghost. i can still remember what it reeke— ghost. i can still remember what it rooke noe- — ghost. i can still remember what it looks like. was— ghost. i can still remember what it looks like. was i— ghost. i can still remember what it looks like. was i just imagining— it looks like. was i just imagining that or is it is there eonernrne— imagining that or is it is there something out— imagining that or is it is there something out there? it's quite

irkery— something out there? it's quite rrnery yon— something out there? it's quite rrnery you were— something out there? it's quite likely you were imagining it. in — likely you were imagining it. in re— likely you were imagining it. i'm sure when— likely you were imagining it. i'm sure when i— likely you were imagining it. i'm sure when i was- likely you were imagining it. i'm sure when i was a- likely you were imagining it. i'm sure when i was a young lad in the darkness of my own bedroom and, you know, it was it was getting dark and the lights were off and you see silhouettes . it's the mind playing, were off and you see silhouettes . it's the mind playing , playing . it's the mind playing, playing tncks . it's the mind playing, playing tricks on you. ultimately nine times out of ten, you can explain away what you would call paranormal phenomena . that said, paranormal phenomena. that said, the question shouldn't be necessarily are ghosts real? but what you define to be a ghost. but all of these examples that yvette has given the many, many things that she's seen over the years, it can't be the case, can it, that all of those examples have been just her imagination or some other circumstance ? no, or some other circumstance? no, you are right about that. - or some other circumstance? no, you are right about that. and rtrt— you are right about that. and that re— you are right about that. and that to why.— you are right about that. and that to why. rr— you are right about that. and that is why, if you— you are right about that. and that is why, if you notice there, i did say nine times out of ten, because is that one time things will happen and there is genuinely no logical explanation for them. and i say that because i am, as yvette will tell you, a member of the most haunted team, and i'm the sceptic on the program and i have experienced

my fair share of paranormal phenomena, but i'm always quick to put my hand up and say if there's no logical explanation for it, then it is indeed paranormal. but a lot of things can be rationally explained away . it'sjust can be rationally explained away . it's just that the psyche of going into a location which is deemed to be haunted , your mind deemed to be haunted, your mind works and you just works over time and you just assume that anything at creaky assume that anything at a creaky floorboard door closing in floorboard or a door closing in the might be paranormal. the wind might be paranormal. but isn't necessarily but it isn't necessarily the case. can i ask you about case. yvette can i ask you about that? is there a risk that when we that? is there a risk that when vve-knovv— that? is there a risk that when vve-knovv rne — .“2.7 is there a risk that when we know the explanation we don't know the explanation for someone.— we don't know the explanation for something, we— we don't know the explanation for something, we reach these terse — for something, we reach these false conclusions? because just because— false conclusions? because just neeoeee-ren-r— false conclusions? because just because-isn't an- false conclusions? because just because isn't an obvious because there isn't an obvious evnronorron— explanation doesn't automatically mean, does it, nor— automatically mean, does it, not me— automatically mean, does it, that the supernatural is the envy— that the supernatural is the only explanation ? \2» that the supernatural is the only explanation ? \»2» ' .2;-y only explanation? no, absolutely right . and any good paranormal right. and any good paranormal investigator will tell you that if you can't find an answer for something, don't you know you don't just jump to, oh, it's a ghost. oh, it's paranormal. there could be many other reasons. at the end of the day, we investigate, investigate we investigate, we investigate location ones where we've not spent , you know, two weeks

spent, you know, two weeks living there , sleeping there. so living there, sleeping there. so we don't know sounds that we don't know the sounds that the building make. we don't the building will make. we don't know you you there know. you know. you know, there might be an old man that walks through the village naked at 3:00 in the morning. we don't know know, you've know that, you know, so you've really got to know the building. you've got to know your surroundings. got know surroundings. you've got to know all the sounds and every everything about that place that you're investigate seeing. and so only if you see so when you only if you see something right in front of your face and i have many, many times and as you were saying, andrew, you've something yourself. you've seen something yourself. ihave you've seen something yourself. i have seen, i think for well, the first manifestation i saw, three of us saw it at the same time. one person was a parapsychologist who was a cynic. and we three of us saw a pair of legs walking up their own up the stairs of the theatre, royal drury lane and we were spending the night there and it was the most craziest thing i've ever seen in my life because there were just a pair of legs walking on their own up

these stairs. and i've seen solid manifestations of a tall, tall man with a bald head. i could describe him very clearly, very tall man in a hospital, and he just peeked round a column, a pillar, and then peep back and you know, when you've seen it, you're not crazy. you're not hallucinating. it's not some sort of form of sleep paralysis . and it's what's so amazing is when more than one of you is seeing the same thing, you know , the whole cast going back to the drury lane theatre, the whole cast, i've forgotten the name of the production, but i think 20 odd cast members were having a photo call on the stage and they all saw what is one of the most famous ghosts in theatre land called the man in grey. and they all saw him walking with his tricks and hat his grey coat solid, walking across the circle in through a wall. years later, they actually

did some excuse ovation and they were really doing the building and some building works and they actually dug through that part of the wall where this ghost was disappearing through. and they found human remains with a daggerin found human remains with a dagger in his in his ribs and nobody knows really this sort of suspicions about who it could be. but they believe that it was two actors. they had a fight and one actor stabbed the other. but why? the body was hidden behind the wall. we don't know. and is this the ghost of the grey man? but fascinating to me that but it's fascinating to me that more than one person saw it a whole cast stood on the stage and saw it. and this happens. so many times. and when scientists and excuse me, glenn, but when you say, oh, well, you know, it's not paranoid. it's not we're not mad. it's not paranoid. it's not we're not mad . some of the some we're not mad. some of the some of the most amazing minds in the world were spiritualists and believed in life after death. thomas edison . john logie believed in life after death. thomas edison .john logie baird, thomas edison. john logie baird, who invented the television camera. he was a spiritualist.

in fact, he believed in it so much that he thought that thomas edison was sending him messages from beyond the grave to help him construct the very first television camera . and, you television camera. and, you know, einstein energy cannot die. so all these amazing people , they're not mad. what's going on here. and millions of people around the world have got the most amazing stories to tell. and i'm sure people watching now and listening will tell you the same thing . do you have same thing. do you have experience? do you ever feel not— experience? do you ever feel not noyne— experience? do you ever feel that maybe there's- experience? do you ever feel that maybe there's a- 2;“2.2;7’ do you ever feel that maybe there's a risk of hoaxing— that maybe there's a risk of noonne e— that maybe there's a risk of hoaxing ? for— that maybe there's a risk of hoaxing ? for instance, i just hoaxing? for instance, i just nonr— hoaxing? for instance, i just wont ro— hoaxing? for instance, i just vent to ask— hoaxing? for instance, i just want to ask glenn about that because— want to ask glenn about thati because—examples because we've seen examples vvnere— because we've seen examples vvnere vvnere— because we've seen examples where where people have hoaxed neopre— where where people have hoaxed eeene-lnoe— where where people have hoaxed people. was reading about the people. i was reading about the entere— people. i was reading about the enfield-from - people. i was reading about the enfield-from the- people. i was reading about the enfield from the 1970s, enfield haunting from the 1970s, and enfield haunting from the 1970s, one-vvee— enfield haunting from the 1970s, and-was testimony- enfield haunting from the 1970s, and was testimony that the and there was testimony that the ante— and there was testimony that the one not— and there was testimony that the one not been— and there was testimony that the girls had been bending the sooner— girls had been bending the spoons knocking girls had been bending the spoons-knocking walls spoons and knocking on the walls and rnrnee— spoons and knocking on the walls and rnrnee irke— spoons and knocking on the walls and things like that. so isn't rnor— and things like that. so isn't rnor envoys— and things like that. so isn't rnor orvvoye o— and things like that. so isn't that always a possibility, evenne— that always a possibility,- glenn?_mindful glenn? shouldn't we be mindful of glenn? shouldn't we be mindful or re — glenn? shouldn't we be mindful or ire of— glenn? shouldn't we be mindful of it? of course,— glenn? shouldn't we be mindful of it? of course, you- glenn? shouldn't we be mindful of it? 2 2 of it? of course, you should always be mindful of that kind of thing. ultimately, you're always be mindful of that kind ofyou're ultimately, you're always be mindful of that kind ofyou're watching.y, you're always be mindful of that kind ofyou're watching something on if you're watching something on online, see some viral online, you might see some viral videos go around where people

say that their kitchens are haunted if look closely haunted. and if you look closely enough, might some enough, you might see some fishing something fishing wire or something pulling over you pulling a broomstick over you can't necessarily rely on on what you're seeing. and ultimately , with most haunted, ultimately, with most haunted, i'm fully aware that when we're investigating, investigating a location that all viewers have got is our word for it. but i can sceptically say that when i've experienced something that i've experienced something that i can't rationally explain away, it's a genuine piece of paranormal phenomena . but the paranormal phenomena. but the question then is what really is it? what is going on there? how is it doing, what it's doing ? is it doing, what it's doing? because. okay, glenn, can i ask you— because. okay, glenn, can i ask you nove— because. okay, glenn, can i ask you nove nove— 2 okay, glenn, can i ask you have have scientists glenn, r— you have have scientists glenn, r ask— you have have scientists glenn, r ask you— you have have scientists glenn, r ask you r— you have have scientists glenn, can i ask you if scientists got any— can i ask you if scientists got any kine— can i ask you if scientists got any kind or— can i ask you if scientists got any kind of explanation for the kine— any kind of explanation for the kind or— any kind of explanation for the kind of phenomenon that yvette was kind of phenomenon that yvette iner— kind of phenomenon that yvette was just describing where neutere— was just describing where multiple - get i was just describing where multiple get that was just describing where. multiple-get that . was just describing where- multiple-get that . the multiple people. i get that. the nine— multiple people. i get that. the nine r— multiple people. i get that. the nine r eevv— multiple people. i get that. the thing i saw when— multiple people. i get that. the thing i saw when i— multiple people. i get that. the thing i saw when i was was thing i saw when i was four was nroeonry— thing i saw when i was four was prononry iner— thing i saw when i was four was probably just mind . i was probably just my mind. i was renne— probably just my mind. i was taking mushrooms or taking magic mushrooms or eonernrne— taking magic mushrooms ori eonernrne—yoe something. but like, do you rnrnk— something. but like, do you rnrnk rnor— something. but like, do you think that it's— something. but like, do you think that it's possible for a corrective— think that it's possible for a collective group— think that it's possible for a collective group of people to nove— collective group of people to nove o— collective group of people to nove o greene— collective group of people to have a group? hallucination is rnere— have a group? hallucination is therelscientific_ have a group? hallucination is there scientific explanation there a scientific explanation for there a scientific explanation tor—rney-u- there a scientific explanation. for—they'll-it's for that? well, they'll say it's some kind of hysterical effect.

so you've got a knock on effect when somebody thinks they see something, when somebody thinks they see som think|, see the same will think they see the same thing that's generally thing as well. that's generally what they will say. science takes the takes a dim view of the paranormal because paranormal anyway because there's attached paranormal anyway because th

logically as well. just don't jump logically as well. just don't jump to the conclusion that it could be paranormal, but going back to your point, andrew, about the enfield poltergeist, that case there, janet, she was the sort of more, um , sort of the sort of more, um, sort of the sort of more, um, sort of the more focal person. in that case, there were two girls in it and they actually did say at the end of the case that they had faked some of the phenomena, but they only did that because they felt particularly janet felt under so much pressure from the press to perform . and there was press to perform. and there was a very prominent ghost investigator, paranormal investigator, paranormal investigator called maurice gross, who basically lived in the house rikki neave hoarding everything. i mean, the police even visited that location and saw lego flying around the room all on its own. the knocking , all on its own. the knocking, the tapping and the voice that janet was coming outwith. there was a man's voice. and this man's voice was saying, i don't an embolism in the room . and it

an embolism in the room. and it was really horrible . _ an embolism in the room. and it was really horrible . and but was really horrible. and but they— was really horrible. and but they had— was really horrible. and but they had a vocal analyst, a lady come, a examined janet's vocal cords and said it wasn't possible for this young girl to make the noises that she was making. and for her not to have her throat affected in any way. so there's lots and lots of unexplained, strange and very wonderful little things that have been recorded by maurice gross and if anybody wants to check that case out, please do. but just don't look at the negative side. yes, the press did . they felt under did come. they felt under pressure. and i think janet was interviewed of years interviewed a couple of years ago where she actually said that. fascinating that. but it's a fascinating case many more case and there's so many more like as well. i could talk like them as well. i could talk to you about— like them as well. i could talk to you about this— like them as well. i could talk to you about this for- c i could talk to you about this for hours, but we een-e— to you about this for hours, but we done-..w— to you about this for hours, but we don't-any more- to you about this for hours, but we don't any more time, i'm we don't have any more time, i'm afraid.— we don't have any more time, i'm afraid. yvette — we don't have any more time, i'm afraid. yvette fielding and glen hum,— afraid. yvette fielding and glen hum, thanke— afraid. yvette fielding and glen hunt, thanks so— afraid. yvette fielding and glen hunt, thanks so for joining hunt, thanks so much for joining i— hunt, thanks so much for joining i leve— hunt, thanks so much for joining me. i love that.— hunt, thanks so much for joining me. i love that. i'm— hunt, thanks so much for joining me. i love that. i'm really interested— me. i love that. i'm really interested in— me. i love that. i'm really interested in this. yeah leo, do you— interested in this. yeah leo, do you think— interested in this. yeah leo, do you think there's— interested in this. yeah leo, do you think there's anything in m — you think there's anything in m yeah.— you think there's anything in it? yeah, absolutely.- you think there's anything in it? “in? " you think there's anything in it? yeah, absolutely. i if it? yeah, absolutely. i mean, if you look any model you look at any model of physics, of physics, scientific model of physics, scientific model of physics to explain universe, physics to explain the universe, it's deterministic it's always a deterministic empirical model which means that

free will can exist. i mean, literally any scientific model will say that free will can't exist. you can't have an object in the universe deciding its own , its own course, its own path. and obviously that's true for socialists because they're entirely by society . but i think entirely by society. but i think the fact that free will, i believe it exists. so that means ghosts could possibly exist as well. do you think? frances well, i was listening- j “

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welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so every week we dedicate this part of the show to the world of social media. now first up, this video of a gym goer in illinois who suffered a bit of a wardrobe wardrobe malfunction on a treadmill. this went viral this week. let's have a look . and the week. let's have a look. and the rest is history. oh, i mean, god love her. i feel i feel bad for her. yeah. particularly did she consent to that going viral ? consent to that going viral? because that's clearly a cctv situation , isn't it? yeah. yeah. situation, isn't it? yeah. yeah. but i situation, isn't it? yeah. yeah. tut . mete— situation, isn't it? yeah. yeah. tut . .—

situation, isn't it? yeah. yeah. but i mean, i guess- situation, isn't it? yeah. yeah. but i mean, i guess a- c .7’ yeah. yeah. but i mean, i guess a gym's a putte— but i mean, i guess a gym's a puttte pteee— but i mean, i guess a gym's a public place and— but i mean, i guess a gym's a public place and if the treadmill— public place and if the treadmill does happen to rip your— treadmill does happen to rip your trousers— treadmill does happen to rip your trousers off, so you're there— your trousers off, so you're there tn— your trousers off, so you're there tn yout— your trousers off, so you're there in your thong squirming toute— there in your thong squirming around on the— there in your thong squirming around on the ground, that is, that— around on the ground, that is, that te— around on the ground, that is, that to o— around on the ground, that is, that is a matter— around on the ground, that is, that is a matter for you rather then— that is a matter for you rather than the— that is a matter for you rather than the gym. — that is a matter for you rather than the gym. .— that is a matter for you rather than the gym. c than the gym. i suppose it is. francis, any thoughts ? well, francis, any thoughts? well, what are we doing- . 37 well, what are we doing about the treatment— what are we doing about the tteotmttt e— what are we doing about the treadmill ? it's— what are we doing about the treadmill ? it's clearly sexually treadmill? it's clearly sexually oeeouttet— treadmill? it's clearly sexually assaulted-yeah.- treadmill? it's clearly sexually assaulted yeah. was me assaulted her. so yeah. was me too. — assaulted her. so yeah. was me too. to— assaulted her. so yeah. was me too. for nothing— assaulted her. so yeah. was me too. for nothing . _ assaulted her. so yeah. was me too. for nothing . g too. for nothing. interesting. take a little bit edgy. let's now let's move on to this one. if you've ever felt shortchanged, do spare a thought for the essex pensioner who went into his local chippy this week and paid a tenner for this place. now we should say because you can't quite see there that piece of cod is 4.5in long. i think it's supposed to be quite a posh chip shop, but the shop wasn't particularly generous when it came to the chips ehhen when it came to the chips either. there's there it is a picture of it with a measuring tape. oh, my god . and that is a tape. oh, my god. and that is a small piece of fish. but i think, you know, whenever you go to a posh restaurant, the portions really?

portions are like, really? that's part of the isn't that's part of the deal, isn't it? it's it? yeah. yeah it is. it's quite vulgar hungry, isn't it? vulgar to be hungry, isn't it? is 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry is that 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry to treat— is that 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry to break that— is that 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry to break that to— is that 4.5in. yeah. i'm sorry to break that to you. okay. ttot-e— to break that to you. okay. ttot-e outte— to break that to you. [jo/.ti that's quite disappointing . to break that to you. that's quite disappointing . that's quite disappointing. so uoutu— that's quite disappointing. so uoutu you— that's quite disappointing. so would you complain- that's quite disappointing. so would you complain about that? because typically in a fish and chip shop, you get massive feasts, don't you? yeah, but no, no, i feasts, don't you? yeah, but no, . uouttu-t— feasts, don't you? yeah, but no, no, i wouldn't because- ct?" . t.7 yeah, but no, no, i wouldn't because i'm outst— no, i wouldn't because i'm ottttet. so— no, i wouldn't because i'm british. so what- no, i wouldn't because i'm british. so what i'd do is i eat it, british. so what i'd do is i eat tt-tt— british. so what i'd do is i eat tt-tt out— british. so what i'd do is i eat it,-it and then- british. so what i'd do is i eat it,-it and then i'd- british. so what i'd do is i eat it, it and then i'd tell it, i'd eat it and then i'd tell the—the- it, i'd eat it and then i'd tell. tte—tte-zo the same story for the next 20 years— the same story for the next 20 years about— the same story for the next 20 years about how— the same story for the next 20 years about how it's ripped me ott. — years about how it's ripped me ott. aut— years about how it's ripped me ott. ant .— years about how it's ripped me ott. ant ttuet— years about how it's ripped me off. and i just get— years about how it's ripped me off. and i just get really angry about— off. and i just get really angry about-resentful- off. and i just get really angry about resentful and carry about it and resentful and carry it about it and resentful and carry tt-to— about it and resentful and carry tt-to my— about it and resentful and carry tt-to my tytug- about it and resentful and carry it-to my dying day- about it and resentful and carry it to my dying day . it around to my dying day. tutetesttuu— it around to my dying day. interesting. any— it around to my dying day. interesting. any thoughts on these fish and chips? i just hate hipsters have- �*7 att: ti 357 ijust hate hipsters have ruined eyetytttug— hate hipsters have ruined everything like they've moved on to tet— everything like they've moved on to ttet out— everything like they've moved on to fish and chips. _ everything like they've moved on to fish and chips. \ttt to fish and chips. no, they've already lager. remember already ruined lager. remember when lagerjust tasted like fizzy was fizzy and yellow and it was great. and now they've changed it, tastes like flowers it, so it tastes like flowers and washing up liquid. it, so it tastes like flowers and washing up liquid . and this and washing up liquid. and this is thing now. they is the same thing now. they moved on to fish and chips. what else are they going to ruin? society. there's that. society. well, there's that. do you hipsters society. well, there's that. do you up hipsters society. well, there's that. do you up that hipsters society. well, there's that. do you up that serial hipsters society. well, there's that. do you up that serial restaurantipsters society. well, there's that. do you up that serial restaurant in;ters set up that serial restaurant in the end and you could buy the east end and you could buy like £10 for bowl of weetabix like £10 for a bowl of weetabix ? yeah. people were complaining that— ? yeah. people were complaining

ttot-ttey-te— ? yeah. people were complaining that-they're selling- that like, oh, they're selling the— that like, oh, they're selling the-mote- that like, oh, they're selling the - more than - that like, oh, they're selling the-more than it. that like, oh, they're selling. the-more than it cost the cereal for more than it cost in-supermarket. - the cereal for more than it cost in supermarket. t in the supermarket. it's like, yeah.— in the supermarket. it's like, yeot. that-s.— in the supermarket. it's like, yeah, that's, that's the business every cafe. business model of every cafe. yeah, yeah. it's like you go in there and it's more expensive than you it your own than if you made it in your own house. it didn't last, though, did house. it didn't last, though, ttt ttt— house. it didn't last, though, ttt to that— house. it didn't last, though, did it? that shop?— it didn't last, though, did it? that shop? no, because oeoote— did it? that shop? no, becausej oeoote—tuy people realised they could buy eeteot— people realised they could buy cereal—£0.50. - cereal for like, like £0.50. veot. — cereal for like, like £0.50. veot. -uutte- cereal for like, like £0.50.| yeah. _quite easy cereal for like, like £0.50.. yeah. _quite easy to yeah. and it's quite easy to make home. yeah, exactly. it make at home. yeah, exactly. it toeeu-t—ettttl doesn't take a particular skill toes— doesn't take a particular skill toes-okay— doesn't take a particular skill does-okay well- doesn't take a particular skill does okay well next up, this does it. okay well next up, this is does it. okay well next up, this te-etteu— does it. okay well next up, this is-biden-his- is president biden with his ueetty—ttmel is president biden with his. weekly—time he weekly offering. this time he did weekly offering. this time he ttt etoy— weekly offering. this time he ttt stay on— weekly offering. this time he did stay on his— weekly offering. this time he did stay on his feet. don't worry— did stay on his feet. don't worry .— did stay on his feet. don't worry. tt— did stay on his feet. don't worry. tt-tte- did stay on his feet. don't worry. it his mouth did stay on his feet. don't worry . it his mouth that worry. it was his mouth that eottottet— worry. it was his mouth that spiralled-control- worry. it was his mouth that spiralled control . have spiralled out of control. have a tteteu. — spiralled out of control. have a listen. .commander- spiralled out of control. have a listen. commander in chief, listen. as commander in chief, otuoye— listen. as commander in chief, otuoye trout— listen. as commander in chief, otuoye ptout to— listen. as commander in chief, always proud to have ended the toe— always proud to have ended the ban .transgender_ always proud to have ended the ban transgenderamericans always proud to have ended the ban transgender americans , ban on transgender americans, trouegeutet— ban on transgender americans, transgender americans serving in the uuttet— transgender americans serving in the united states— transgender americans serving in the united states military , the united states military, ttouegeutet— the united states military, transgender americans. i mean, i uoutt— transgender americans. i mean, i uoutt eey— transgender americans. i mean, i uoutt eoy ten-t— transgender americans. i mean, i would say isn't that— would say isn't that a transphobic?- would say isn't that a transphobic? i would have thought— transphobic? i would have thought we're— transphobic? i would have thought we're going to have a go at utm— thought we're going to have a go at ttm tot— thought we're going to have a go at him for that. _ thought we're going to have a go at him for that. i— thought we're going to have a go at him for that. i want to see transgender people now with those little bells on their feet. it's all pointy hat that is feet. it's all pointy hat that to . — feet. it's all pointy hat that to . t— feet. it's all pointy hat that to . t tttut— feet. it's all pointy hat that is . i think i— feet. it's all pointy hat that is. i think i have- feet. it's all pointy hat that is. i think i have seen- feet. it's all pointy hat that is. i think i have seen some people like that , to be honest. people like that, to be honest. do the phrase do you find the phrase transgender biden. transgender? i love joe biden. i do. transgender? i love joe biden. i to. to— transgender? i love joe biden. i to. to me— transgender? i love joe biden. i to. to me ute—

transgender? i love joe biden. i do. to me like he— transgender? i love joe biden. i do. to me like he does.- 3:7 i love joe biden. i do. to me like he does. i like the— do. to me like he does. i like me moment— do. to me like he does. i like the moment where he does that, unete— the moment where he does that, unete ne— the moment where he does that, where he doesn't— the moment where he does that, where he doesn't talk. he just eeoet — where he doesn't talk. he just eeoet oo— where he doesn't talk. he just toast to you— where he doesn't talk. he just scats. do you know what i mean? nteen— scats. do you know what i mean? nteen. tteen— scats. do you know what i mean? bleep, bleeprleep._ scats. do you know what i mean? bleep, bleep bleep. like he's bleep, bleep, bleep. like he's our-jazz— bleep, bleep, bleep. like he's our jazz president. we our first jazz president. we enoutt— our first jazz president. we should embrace him. yeah, surely bill should embrace him. yeah, surely nttt cttnton— should embrace him. yeah, surely bill clinton with— should embrace him. yeah, surely bill clinton with a— should embrace him. yeah, surely bill clinton with a saxophone nee-tutt— bill clinton with a saxophone was-first jazz— bill clinton with a saxophone was first jazz president. was the first jazz president. vent. — was the first jazz president. teem-om— was the first jazz president. yeah,-can.what. was the first jazz president. . yeah,-can.what biden yeah, but he can do what biden does. no , biden is the gift that does. no, biden is the gift that teens— does. no, biden is the gift that teens on— does. no, biden is the gift that keeps on giving— : no, biden is the gift that keeps on giving anyway, this is the keeps on giving anyway, this is tne—unete- the part of the show where we tott— the part of the show where we tut-yout— the part of the show where we talk your unfiltered talk about your unfiltered tttemmo. — talk about your unfiltered dilemma. for dilemma. so thank you again for sending problems in. sending your problems in. i don't know what you do, but you don't know what you do, but you do it every week. thank you. our first dilemma from susie. first dilemma is from susie. susie cat susie says, my neighbour's cat came was miaowing. so came over and was miaowing. so much some food. fair much i gave him some food. fair enough. much i gave him some food. fair enough . neighbour it, enough. my neighbour clocked it, had pop at me and now had a massive pop at me and now we are on. we are non—speakers. was of line? i mean, are was i out of line? i mean, are people without sort of protective over their cats? other people can't feed the cats.i other people can't feed the cats. i would have thought that other people can't feed the cats a would have thought that other people can't feed the cats a sortild have thought that other people can't feed the cats a sort of have thought that other people can't feed the cats a sort of aave thought that other people can't feed the cats a sort of a nice hought that other people can't feed the catsa sort of a nice gesture,�*iat was a sort of a nice gesture, right? well, because what right? well, no, because what nonnene— right? well, no, because what nonnene-tnen- right? well, no, because what. happens-then becomes happens is the cat then becomes teotty— happens is the cat then becomes teotty tot— happens is the cat then becomes teotty tot ont— happens is the cat then becomes really fat and you're wondering why— really fat and you're wondering unyltne— really fat and you're wondering unyltneieo— really fat and you're wondering why-the-so fat?- really fat and you're wondering why the so fat? because why is the cat so fat? because toe— why is the cat so fat? because toe-tyne— why is the cat so fat? because t-ve-ttytnelteet- why is the cat so fat? because i've trying feed him i've been trying to feed him because— i've been trying to feed him because he's— i've been trying to feed him because he's twice as because he's getting twice as muon— because he's getting twice as mum-every— because he's getting twice as mutt-every toy.- because he's getting twice as much every day. right. much food every day. right. toottty— much food every day. right. exactly. basically , you know, exactly. so basically, you know, tney-te—eot- exactly. so basically, you know,i they're—cat american, they're making the cat american, unten—

they're making the cat american, wmem-.— they're making the cat american, unten-. te— they're making the cat american, which,-, is nothing- which, you know, is nothing wrong— which, you know, is nothing mono-tot— which, you know, is nothing wrong-fat cat,- which, you know, is nothing wrong fat cat, though. wrong with a fat cat, though. fat wrong with a fat cat, though. ttt-me— wrong with a fat cat, though. ttt-me nutte— wrong with a fat cat, though. fat-are quite-aren'tl fat cats are quite cute, aren't they? they diabetes , they? until they get diabetes, you—everytntngl you have to ruin everything. don-t— you have to ruin everything. eon-t yout— you have to ruin everything. don't you? what— you have to ruin everything. | don't you? what-think don't you? what do you think about cats? no, i think about fat cats? no, i think i tntnt— about fat cats? no, i think i tntnt tot— about fat cats? no, i think i think fat cats— about fat cats? no, i think i think fat cats are— i7 no, i think i think fat cats are good because tote.— think fat cats are good because ente- tet— think fat cats are good because ente- tet eute— think fat cats are good because cats. pet cats actually cats. pet cats are actually teenonettte— cats. pet cats are actually responsible -for- cats. pet cats are actually responsible for a genocide responsible for a for a genocide nonmet— responsible for a for a genocide against songbirds.— responsible for a for a genocide against songbirds. nobody talks about— against songbirds. nobody talks about t— against songbirds. nobody talks about t. tt-e— against songbirds. nobody talks about it. it's the— against songbirds. nobody talks about it. it's the elephant in me— about it. it's the elephant in me oom— about it. it's the elephant in the room. but— about it. it's the elephant in the room. but millions, the room. but like millions, tttentty— the room. but like millions, literally millions of birds every— literally millions of birds every year— literally millions of birds every year and more owls and gemtte— every year and more owls and gemtte ont— every year and more owls and gerbils and things are true. tut— gerbils and things are true. tut t— gerbils and things are true. tut t mem— gerbils and things are true. tut t t— gerbils and things are true. but i mean, i used- gerbils and things are true. but i mean, i used to- gerbils and things are true. but i mean, i used to have cats and they they bring you like and they do. they bring you like body as gifts and cat body parts as gifts and cat owners reason think owners for some reason think that this is cute as opposed to environmental catastrophe . i environmental catastrophe. i think it's quite cute. we had some kidneys from a squirrel at the foot of at the foot of the bed thought, bed and i thought, that's a lovely token because cat lovely token because in cat world thing. world that is a positive thing. it's why then do it's like, why can't i then do that with cats and bring a cat? kidneys? yeah . oh that always kidneys? yeah. oh that always veenee— kidneys? yeah. oh that always vegans as well. _ kidneys? yeah. oh that always vegans as well. they're always ute— vegans as well. they're always ttte. t-m— vegans as well. they're always like, i'm saving— vegans as well. they're always like, i'm saving animals by not eottng.— like, i'm saving animals by not eottne. tenn— like, i'm saving animals by not eating. yeah but— like, i'm saving animals by not eating. yeah but your cat is going— eating. yeah but your cat is gotne-tttttne- eating. yeah but your cat isi going-killing-of going out and killing lots of enutnete. — going out and killing lots of squirrels. ihra._ going out and killing lots of squirrels. ihra. i was once when i squirrels. ihra. i was once when t noe— squirrels. ihra. i was once when t o— squirrels. ihra. i was once when t o tenemen— squirrels. ihra. i was once when i was a teacher, i— squirrels. ihra. i was once when i was a teacher, i had a eotteogue— i was a teacher, i had a

colleague who- i was a teacher, i had a colleague who made her cat veene — colleague who made her cat veene sne— colleague who made her cat vegan. she fed— colleague who made her cat vegan. she fed it- colleague who made her cat vegan. c d colleague who made her cat vegan. ttt: . g : vegan. she fed it vegan food. and do you know what the cat did? died. it left. yeah, right. of course it did. because it's not— of course it did. because it's not notunt. — of course it did. because it's not natural. it's— of course it did. because it's not natural. it's like- tijj�*" ti.ttt. c t: t: because it's not natural. it's like the vegetonon— not natural. it's like the vegetarian bloodhound in shirley votenttne— vegetarian bloodhound in shirley votenttne .— vegetarian bloodhound in shirley valentine , isn't— vegetarian bloodhound in shirley valentine , isn't it?— vegetarian bloodhound in shirley valentine , isn't it? yeah, they valentine, isn't it? yeah, they ton-t— valentine, isn't it? yeah, they ton-t-tt— valentine, isn't it? yeah, they ton-t-tt .— valentine, isn't it? yeah, they ton-t-tt . at— valentine, isn't it? yeah, they don't-it . at least- valentine, isn't it? yeah, they don't it . at least give don't like it. at least give tnem — don't like it. at least give them quorn,_ don't like it. at least give them quorn, for god's okay them quorn, for god's sake. okay so them quorn, for god's sake. okay eo-eeeont— them quorn, for god's sake. okay so-second dilemma- them quorn, for god's sake. okay so second dilemma now is so our second dilemma now is trom— so our second dilemma now is tom—totte- so our second dilemma now is from—lottie says. so our second dilemma now is from—lottie says ,i from lottie. and lottie says, teetentoy— from lottie. and lottie says, yesterday-o- from lottie. and lottie says, yesterday a wedding yesterday i went to a wedding for yesterday i went to a wedding tot-t— yesterday i went to a wedding tot-t totety- yesterday i went to a wedding for-i barely know. yesterday i went to a wedding for i barely know , for someone i barely know, tntnttne— for someone i barely know, tntnttne t— for someone i barely know, thinking i was— for someone i barely know, thinking i was being really geneous t— thinking i was being really generous. i got— thinking i was being really generous. i got them voucher thinking i was being really gerarous. i got them voucher thinking i was being really gera meal got them voucher thinking i was being really gera meal fort them voucher thinking i was being really gera meal for twoem voucher thinking i was being really gera meal for two at voucher thinking i was being really gera meal for two at nando'ser for a meal for two at nando's unen— for a meal for two at nando's unen tne— for a meal for two at nando's when the people— for a meal for two at nando's when the people on my table saw the when the people on my table saw me gut.— when the people on my table saw me gttt. tney— when the people on my table saw me gttt. tney ott— when the people on my table saw the gift, they all thought i was young— the gift, they all thought i was tottng .— the gift, they all thought i was tottng . ton— the gift, they all thought i was tottng . uon t-m— the gift, they all thought i was joking . now i'm wondering if joking. now i'm wondering if i snoutt— joking. now i'm wondering if i snoutt sent— joking. now i'm wondering if i should send them something else tnsteot.— should send them something else tnsteoet-ntong— should send them something else instead. wrong with. should send them something else inste ai.-wrong with.- should send them something else inste ai. nando'sig with. should send them something else inste ai. nando's .| with. should send them something else inste ai. nando's . you h. should send them something else inste ai. nando's . you know, with a good nando's. you know, it's with a good nando's. you know, tt-s o— with a good nando's. you know, tt-s o decent.— with a good nando's. you know, it's a decent. especially if you ton-t— it's a decent. especially if you tout-tne— it's a decent. especially if you don't-the person.- it's a decent. especially if you. don't-the person.-are don't know the person. what are you—mett- don't know the person. what are you—mettlmeoni you meant to do? well i mean, it depends — you meant to do? well i mean, it depends. _wedding- you meant to do? well i mean, iti depends. _wedding being depends. was the wedding being held at a wetherspoons ? if. if held at a wetherspoons? if. if the was at a the reception was at a wetherspoons, which i wanted for my wedding, but my wife wouldn't let us. but if it is at a wetherspoons , then yes, nando's wetherspoons, then yes, nando's is a generous gift. yeah. if not, then no. you're a cheapskate. is that right? yeah inever cheapskate. is that right? yeah i never know what to do with uetttngs— i never know what to do with weddings, .know, - i never know what to do with weddings, know, because

i never know what to do with wedding you're know, because i never know what to do with wedding you're meantiecause i never know what to do with wedding you're meantiecel've whether you're meant to. i've got— whether you're meant to. i've. got—very. got a wedding coming up very, very— got a wedding coming up very, very-noven-t— got a wedding coming up very, very haven't bought very soon. i haven't bought a gut— very soon. i haven't bought a gttt yet. — very soon. i haven't bought a gttt yet. tney— very soon. i haven't bought a gift yet they say— very soon. i haven't bought a gift yet. they say you could tust— gift yet. they say you could tust-o— gift yet. they say you could just-a donation- gift yet. they say you could just a donation the just give a donation for the noneymoon.— just give a donation for the honeymoon. no, honeymoon. is that a fiver? no, no . tt-s— honeymoon. is that a fiver? no, no . us not.— honeymoon. is that a fiver? no, no , it's not, mate.— honeymoon. is that a fiver? no, no , it's not, mate. no,- honeymoon. is that a fiver? no, no , it's not, mate. no, the no, it's not, mate. no, the problem is with weddings is that you spend way too much on it. so basically she is cheap. it's at least a meal for four. really? yeah. what if you feel that yeah. but what if you feel that weddings sort a symbol of weddings are sort of a symbol of heteropatriarchal oppression ? heteropatriarchal oppression? don't go. yeah, exactly . okay. don't go. yeah, exactly. okay. or you go there. and in an act of defiance , you get drunk and of defiance, you get drunk and then you ruin the whole thing. okay, fine. interesting. have we got-tot— okay, fine. interesting. have we got-tot-ttnot- okay, fine. interesting. have we got for final dilemma? got time for one final dilemma? tnts— got time for one final dilemma? tntslttom — got time for one final dilemma? this .from darren— got time for one final dilemma? this from darren on a recent this is from darren on a recent vtstt— this is from darren on a recent vtsttlmy— this is from darren on a recent visit-my future— this is from darren on a recent visit my future in—laws, i visit to my future in—laws, i oeettentotty— visit to my future in—laws, i accidentally blocked a toilet , accidentally blocked a toilet, tut— accidentally blocked a toilet, tut-tn— accidentally blocked a toilet, but-i'm worried- accidentally blocked a toilet, but i'm worried about going but now i'm worried about going toot— but now i'm worried about going toot tnete— but now i'm worried about going back there .case_ but now i'm worried about going back there .case i— but now i'm worried about going back there case i do it again back there in case i do it again . any— back there in case i do it again . any ttns— back there in case i do it again . any ttns teotty— back there in case i do it again . any tips really ? _ back there in case i do it again . any tips really ? c 3: . any tips really? it depends what you blocked it with. yeah yeah. if it's a dead cat. yeah tnen— yeah. if it's a dead cat. yeah tnen tnot— yeah. if it's a dead cat. yeah tnen tnot ts— yeah. if it's a dead cat. yeah then that is an— “tilt?" if it's a dead cat. yeah then that is an issue. if you toot— then that is an issue. if you took tne— then that is an issue. if you took me you— then that is an issue. if you took the you know, the engine out ot— took the you know, the engine out ot o— took the you know, the engine out ot o cnevy— took the you know, the engine out of a chevy impala and put tnot— out of a chevy impala and put mot-tote.— out of a chevy impala and put that-toilet, then- out of a chevy impala and put that toilet, then yeah, that in the toilet, then yeah, tnot-s. — that in the toilet, then yeah, that's. _think- that in the toilet, then yeah, that's. _think yeah.- that in the toilet, then yeah, that's. _think yeah. i. that in the toilet, then yeah,- that's. _think yeah. i mean that's. but i think yeah. i mean a lot of toilets just aren't up for are getting larger. for people are getting larger. i'm six. there's i'm six foot six. there's a lot of can't with of toilets. can't deal with my

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sunday evening. this will throughout sunday evening. this ntu-nett— throughout sunday evening. this nttt-nett ot— throughout sunday evening. this nttt-nett ot tne— throughout sunday evening. this will part of the west will be a part of the west sountty— will be a part of the west country-into- will be a part of the west- country-into southern country through into southerni area _where-band country through into southern. area _where-band of area of wales where this band of neevy— area of wales where this band of heavy—in,- area of wales where this band of heavy—in, could. heavy rain will push in, could ntovtte— heavy rain will push in, could ntoytte some— heavy rain will push in, could provide some difficult travelling— provide some difficult- travelling-elsewhere travelling conditions elsewhere tntougnout— travelling conditions elsewhere throughout the _ travelling conditions elsewhere throughout the night. generally steytng— throughout the night. generally steytng-.— throughout the night. generally steytng- tt— throughout the night. generally staying-. it could- throughout the night. generally staying . it could be quite staying drier. it could be quite mtsty—somei misty and murky across some soestet— misty and murky across some soestet-tot- misty and murky across some coastal-for-of coastal areas, but for most of uslnttt— coastal areas, but for most of uslntttlgutte— coastal areas, but for most of us.will.quite a- coastal areas, but for most of. us.will.quite a-and us it will be quite a muggy and numtt— us it will be quite a muggy and humid temperatures humid night. temperatures tettnttety— humid night. temperatures definitely staying in double ttgtt— definitely staying in double ttgtt-tot— definitely staying in double digit-for all- definitely staying in double digit-for all of- digit figures for all of our utten— digit figures for all of our men-.— digit figures for all of our utten-. tot- digit figures for all of our urban-. for us,- digit figures for all of our urban . for us, we start urban areas. for us, we start ott— urban areas. for us, we start ott taontey— urban areas. for us, we start off monday this— urban areas. for us, we start off monday this rain will gtetuetty— off monday this rain will gradually-its- off monday this rain will gradually its way off gradually clear its way off uetes— gradually clear its way off wales .there'll- gradually clear its way off wales there'll a good wales and there'll be a good eount— wales and there'll be a good amount-sunshine- wales and there'll be a good amount sunshine for east amount of sunshine for east angtte— amount of sunshine for east angtte un— amount of sunshine for east angtte un tnto— amount of sunshine for east anglia up into midland and nottnetn— anglia up into midland and northern england and northern areas of england and ssottent— northern areas of england and scotland .well. _ northern areas of england and scotland well. that sunshine, scotland as well. that sunshine, tnougn— scotland as well. that sunshine, tnougn.lgotng— scotland as well. that sunshine, tnougnlgotng to— scotland as well. that sunshine, though, going to start though, is going to start netntng.— though, is going to start helping, triggering showers helping, triggering some showers as helping, triggering some showers es—ettetnoonl as we head into the afternoon. they— as we head into the afternoon. tney-te— as we head into the afternoon. tney-ts neevy- as we head into the afternoon. they be heavy places they could be heavy in places ent— they could be heavy in places ene-tnt— they could be heavy in places ene-nst ot- they could be heavy in places and-risk of hail- they could be heavy in places and-risk of hail as. and bring the risk of hail as net.— and bring the risk of hail as nett—tnougni and bring the risk of hail asi nett—tnougn . and bring the risk of hail as- well._though , also well. temperatures, though, also tesnonttng— well. temperatures, though, also tesnonttng to— well. temperatures, though, also responding to that— well. temperatures, though, also responding to that sunshine sttmttng— responding to that sunshine climbing into— responding to that sunshine climbing into the mid high 20s, so s— climbing into the mid high 20s, so s ts— climbing into the mid high 20s, so c ts etso— climbing into the mid high 20s, 30 c is also possible once egetn— 30 c is also possible once .gg.., some— 30 c is also possible once again, some of— 30 c is also possible once again, some of those thunderstorms will linger into taontey— thunderstorms will linger into monday evening. so could still be monday evening. so could still te tne— monday evening. so could still be tne ott— monday evening. so could still be the odd rumble of thunder as

you need— be the odd rumble of thunder as you meet nome— be the odd rumble of thunder as you head home during the night, but you head home during the night, tut tney-tt— you head home during the night, but they'll gradually die off as we need— but they'll gradually die off as we head overnight. and a good numte— we head overnight. and a good numte ot— we head overnight. and a good number of clear— we head overnight. and a good number of clear intervals teyetontng— number of clear intervals teyetontng-.- number of clear intervals developing . again, the developing inland. again, the stout— developing inland. again, the cloud-lingering- developing inland. again, the cloud lingering across some cloud just lingering across some soestet— cloud just lingering across some coastal particularly the coastal areas, particularly the sown—west.— coastal areas, particularly the south—west. murray down south—west. murray firth down ste— south—west. murray firth down eastern-areas.- south—west. murray firth down eastern-areas. but- south—west. murray firth down eastern areas. but the eastern coastal areas. but the see— eastern coastal areas. but the steet snetts— eastern coastal areas. but the clear spells inland mean that wett— clear spells inland mean that won stett— clear spells inland mean that we'll start tuesday off on a vety— we'll start tuesday off on a wety sunny— we'll start tuesday off on a very sunny note— we'll start tuesday off on a very sunny note and it should be tetetwety—tey- very sunny note and it should be relatively—day for. relatively fine and dry day for the relatively fine and dry day for tne vest— relatively fine and dry day for the vast majority— relatively fine and dry day for the vast majority of us. just moteenl— the vast majority of us. just more an isolated shower at more of an isolated shower at tnts— more of an isolated shower at we tne.— more of an isolated shower at this time. high— more of an isolated shower at this time. high pressure then is gtetuetty— this time. high pressure then is gtetuetty-tts- gradually extending its influence— gradually extending itsi influence-uk gradually extending its- influence-uk and influence across the uk and tnsteestngty— influence across the uk and increasingly as— influence across the uk and increasingly as head towards increasingly as we head towards the increasingly as we head towards tne-nett— increasingly as we head towards tne-gen ot— increasingly as we head towards tne-gen ot tne- increasingly as we head towards the part of the week, it the middle part of the week, it is the middle part of the week, it ts gotng— the middle part of the week, it ts gotng to— the middle part of the week, it ts gotng toltty— the middle part of the week, it is going to dry and settled the middle part of the week, it is gthe; to dry and settled the middle part of the week, it is gthe vast dry and settled the middle part of the week, it is gthe vast majority d settled the middle part of the week, it is gthe vast majority of ;ettled the middle part of the week, it is gthe vast majority of us led the middle part of the week, it is gthe vast majority of us and for the vast majority of us and wett— for the vast majority of us and we-tt-e— for the vast majority of us and we-tt-e gooe— for the vast majority of us and we'll a good number of we'll see a good number of ntotonget— we'll see a good number of prolonged sunny intervals. temperatures— prolonged sunny intervals. temperatures just perhaps taking a temperatures just perhaps taking e-tumtte— temperatures just perhaps taking e-tumtte .— temperatures just perhaps taking e-tumtte . so— temperatures just perhaps taking a tumble , 30 degrees, not a slight tumble, 30 degrees, not gutte— a slight tumble, 30 degrees, not guttelwttety— a slight tumble, 30 degrees, not guttelwttety .— a slight tumble, 30 degrees, not quite-widely , but— a slight tumble, 30 degrees, not quite widely , but still very quite as widely, but still very ty— quite as widely, but still very ty .—