it's 9:30 am. on tuesday, the 13th of - it's 9:30 a.m. on tuesday, the m of june-— . it's 9:30 a.m. on tuesday, the 13th of june. this— . it's 9:30 a.m. on tuesday, the 13th of june. this is— . it's 9:30 a.m. on tuesday, the 13th of june. this is to— . it's 9:30 a.m. on tuesday, the 13th of june. this is to the- 13th of june. this is to the point— 13th of june. this is to the point on— 13th of june. this is to the point on ea— 13th of june. this is to the point on gb news. with me, andrew— point on gb news. with me, andrew pierce— point on gb news. with me, andrew pierce and bev turner. very— andrew pierce and bev turner. very good— andrew pierce and bev turner. very good morning.— andrew pierce and bev turner. very good morning. thank- andrew pierce and bev turner. very good morning. thank you for joining us. breaking news this morning. police closed morning. police have closed nottingham centre after nottingham city centre after what they're calling a major incident. to be incident. we're going to be speaking eyewitness speaking to an eyewitness shortly and the reporting to bods shortly and the reporting to boris johnson, the privileges committee report, according to the times, it's going to say he deliberately misled the commons and the feud between the former

prime minister and the current one is still going full pelt and locked up for an abortion. calls for a change in the law after a mother of three goes to prison for inducing an abortion outside the legal time limit during lockdown. it's a custodial sentence . really appropriate. sentence. really appropriate. let me know what you think. gb news at the gb views .com and finally, the covid inquiry pubuc finally, the covid inquiry public hearings are due to get underway today, but don't get too excited because they're going to last for three years. would it be a whitewash? do you have— would it be a whitewash? do you have faith— would it be a whitewash? do you have faith n— would it be a whitewash? do you have faith it will— would it be a whitewash? do you have faith it will answer any of your— have faith it will answer any of your questions?— have faith it will answer any of your questions? let us know . your questions? let us know. a lot to— your questions? let us know. a lot to get— your questions? let us know. a lot to get through— your questions? let us know. a lot to get through this morning. gb lot to get through this morning. es views— lot to get through this morning. es views at— lot to get through this morning. es views at es— lot to get through this morning. gb views at gb news— lot to get through this morning. c15 « c15 \ cad” lot to get through this morning. c15 « c15 \ wtwiw’i�* lot to get through this morning. c15 « c5 \ wt.wiwi�* gb views at gb news .com is the email address, of course. but first of all, here is your morning's . first of all, here is your morning's. news bev. thank you very— morning's. news bev. thank you very much— morning's. news bev. thank you very much and— morning's. news bev. thank you very much and good— g \ bev. thank you very much and good morning. this

is whe— very much and good morning. this is iiie iaiesi— very much and good morning. this is the latest from _ very much and good morning. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. as— is the latest from the gb newsroom. as you've been hearing breaking— newsroom. as you've been hearing some breaking news— newsroom. as you've been hearing some breaking news this hour. ioiice— some breaking news this hour. police-dealing— some breaking news this hour. police dealing with a major police are dealing with a major inciieni— police are dealing with a major inciieni in— police are dealing with a major incident in nottingham. imergency— incident in nottingham. emergency are at incident in nottingham.- emergency-are at the emergency services are at the scene , including— emergency services are at the scene , including ambulance and scene, including ambulance and fire services.— scene, including ambulance and fire services. nottinghamshire poiice— fire services. nottinghamshire poiice says— fire services. nottinghamshire psiiss says six— fire services. nottinghamshire police says six roads have been sisssi— police says six roads have been sisssi ani— police says six roads have been closed and the— police says six roads have been closed and the local tram nsiwsik— closed and the local tram network has— closed and the local tram network has also been suspended. iisiuiss— network has also been suspended. iisiuiss sn— network has also been suspended. pictures on social— network has also been suspended. pictures on social media show a iaigs— pictures on social media show a ierge area— pictures on social media show a ierge res— pictures on social media show a large area has been cordoned off . ee— large area has been cordoned off . es news— large area has been cordoned off . es news res— large area has been cordoned off . gb news has been told the home seereiery— . gb news has been told the home seereiery is— . gb news has been told the home secretary is being— . gb news has been told the home secretary is being informed of eveis— secretary is being informed of eveis eni— secretary is being informed of evensi and e— secretary is being informed of events and a witness told us he saw someone being arrested. we e pinned— saw someone being arrested. we saw a man pinned down the ground and mine— saw a man pinned down the ground and multiple armed— saw a man pinned down the ground and multiple armed police surrounding— and multiple armed police surrounding him and then more ernei— surrounding him and then more errnei noise— surrounding him and then more armed police later turned up ener— armed police later turned up eiier inei. — armed police later turned up after that. and— armed police later turned up after that. w: armed police later turned up after that. ' w: : after that. and few of the armed police actually quickly left to go to the city centre because on the radio we heard there had been some sort of stabbing or some sort of big commotion in the city centre. he was then taken away into a different police van from what i saw and they searched, they searched the back the van, they pulled out back of the van, they pulled out a and i what me and someone a bag and i what me and someone else saw was absolutely massive

knife . the covid inquiry is due knife. the covid inquiry is due to begin later today. hearing it's first to begin later today. hearing ii-s iirsi iey— to begin later today. hearing it's first day of— d " hearing it's first day of evidence , a it's first day of evidence, a video — it's first day of evidence, a video sharing— it's first day of evidence, a video sharing the experiences of ei— video sharing the experiences of or nose— video sharing the experiences of some of those who— video sharing the experiences of some of those who suffered most during— some of those who suffered most inring ine— some of those who suffered most during the pandemic will be pieyei— during the pandemic will be nieyei re— during the pandemic will be nieyei re ine— during the pandemic will be played to the inquiry. the first siege— played to the inquiry. the first siege viii— played to the inquiry. the first stage will focus— played to the inquiry. the first stage will focus on whether the eenniry— stage will focus on whether the eenniry vs— stage will focus on whether the country was properly prepared eni— country was properly prepared and e— country was properly prepared and a solicitor— country was properly prepared and a solicitor representing the bereaved— and a solicitor representing the bereaved families for justice says— bereaved families for justice seysieiey— bereaved families for justice says today marks the end of a ivo— says today marks the end of a ive year— says today marks the end of a two year battle— says today marks the end of a two year battle ._ says today marks the end of a two year battle . the victims of two year battle. the victims of a two year battle. the victims of e snsneeiei — two year battle. the victims of a suspected double murder in sieve— a suspected double murder in see en— a suspected double murder in stoke on trent— a suspected double murder in stoke on trent have been named by stoke on trent have been named iy peiiee. — stoke on trent have been named iy peiiee. seven— stoke on trent have been named by police. seven year old iiizeiein— by police. seven year old elizabeth john- by police. seven year old elizabeth john and her 11 year old elizabeth john and her 11 year eii ireinen— elizabeth john and her 11 year old brother, ethan were found nnresensnive— old brother, ethan were found unresponsive with significant ininries— unresponsive with significant ininries in— unresponsive with significant ininries in e— unresponsive with significant injuries in a home on sunday. ine— injuries in a home on sunday. ine srniis— injuries in a home on sunday. the skulls of— injuries in a home on sunday. the skulls of both children have pain— the skulls of both children have paid insure— the skulls of both children have paid tribute to— the skulls of both children have paid tribute to them, describing inen — paid tribute to them, describing inen es— paid tribute to them, describing inen es rinsi— paid tribute to them, describing them as kind, caring with inneeeeiie— them as kind, caring with impeccable manners. a 49 year old impeccable manners. a 49 year eii veenn— impeccable manners. a 49 year eii is— impeccable manners. a 49 year old woman is in— impeccable manners. a 49 year old woman is in custody after being— old woman is in custody after being arrested— old woman is in custody after being arrested on— old woman is in custody after being arrested on suspicion of rnnreri— being arrested on suspicion of rnnreri .— being arrested on suspicion of rnnreri. nev— being arrested on suspicion of murder. now the— being arrested on suspicion of murder. now the number of people in verv— murder. now the number of people in work nes— murder. now the number of people in work nes nir— murder. now the number of people in work has hit a— murder. now the number of people in work has hit a record high. ine— in work has hit a record high. ine ieiiess— in work has hit a record high. the jobless rate— in work has hit a record high. the jobless rate unexpectedly ieii— the jobless rate unexpectedly ieii re — the jobless rate unexpectedly ieii is een— the jobless rate unexpectedly

fell to 3.8% in— the jobless rate unexpectedly fell to 3.8% in the three months to fell to 3.8% in the three months is anni. — fell to 3.8% in the three months is anni. ine— fell to 3.8% in the three months to april. the office— fell to 3.8% in the three months to april. the office for neiienei— to april. the office for national statistics data also snevs— national statistics data also shows employment rose past its pre nenienie— shows employment rose past its pre pandemic level for the first iirne. — pre pandemic level for the first iirne. avenge— pre pandemic level for the first time. average weekly wages hit a posi— time. average weekly wages hit a nesi sovie— time. average weekly wages hit a post covid record— time. average weekly wages hit a post covid record ,_ time. average weekly wages hit a post covid record , too, but post covid record, too, but iney-re— post covid record, too, but iney-re siiii— post covid record, too, but they're still down when taking inrieiien— they're still down when taking inflation into _ they're still down when taking inflation into account . and a inflation into account. and a nriiisn— inflation into account. and a nriiisn nan— inflation into account. and a british man has— inflation into account. and a british man has been detained in senin— british man has been detained in senin rerea— british man has been detained in south korea after— british man has been detained in south korea after climbing the veins— south korea after climbing the world's fifth _ south korea after climbing the world's fifth tallest building , world's fifth tallest building, inan— world's fifth tallest building, more than 90.— world's fifth tallest building, more than 90. emergency service vvererrs— more than 90. emergency service workers were sent— more than 90. emergency service workers were sent to the 1800 resi— workers were sent to the 1800 nor reu— workers were sent to the 1800 foot tall lotte _ workers were sent to the 1800 foot tall lotte world tower ener— foot tall lotte world tower eiier e— foot tall lotte world tower eiier a man— foot tall lotte world tower after a man was spotted scaling the after a man was spotted scaling ine ruining.— after a man was spotted scaling the building. george king inennsen— the building. george king thompson was detained on the inni— thompson was detained on the 72nd .— thompson was detained on the 72nd . riser— thompson was detained on the 72nd . floor for— thompson was detained on the 72nd . floor for you can get more 72nd. floor for you can get more on iii— 72nd. floor for you can get more on eii ei— 72nd. floor for you can get more on all of those— 72nd. floor for you can get more on all of those stories by visiiine— on all of those stories by visiting our— on all of those stories by visiting our website, cbnnews.com. now it's back to andrew— cbnnews.com. now it's back to andrew eni— cbnnews.com. now it's back to andrew and .— andrew and. bev vie— andrew and. bev vie. - andrew and. bev we . well,- andrew and. bev- we . well, ongoing andrew and. bev we . well, ongoing breaking news. we. well, ongoing breaking news. police are dealing with a major incident in nottingham which has seen the city centre effectively

closed down. the tram network suspended de—man. that's right. we're going to speak to an eyeviiness— we're going to speak to an eyewitness -who - we're going to speak to an eyewitness who the eyewitness now who saw the evensi— eyewitness now who saw the events unfold _ eyewitness now who saw the events unfold ._ eyewitness now who saw the events unfold . and good morning events unfold. and good morning . neiie— events unfold. and good morning . neiie, ere— events unfold. and good morning . neiie, yen— events unfold. and good morning . hello, are you there? good morning. — . hello, are you there? good morning. res.— . hello, are you there? good morning. yes, i'm- . hello, are you there? good morning. w“flit: “wirwi; . hello, are you there? good morning. w“/wi;~;: “wi"wi; morning. yes, i'm here. hello thank morning. yes, i'm here. hello inenr yen— morning. yes, i'm here. hello inenr yen rer— morning. yes, i'm here. hello thank you for joining- morning. yes, i'm here. hello thank you forjoining us- morning. w“/wi;~;: “wi;"wi; thank you for joining us this morning. — thank you for joining us this morning. se— thank you for joining us this morning. so if— thank you for joining us this morning. so if you wouldn't mind running— morning. so if you wouldn't mind running is— morning. so if you wouldn't mind running us through— morning. so if you wouldn't mind running us through what neppenen— running us through what happened, what time was it? vvnere— happened, what time was it? vvnere vee— happened, what time was it? where were you? happened, what time was it?- where were you? -so we were where were you? yeah. so we were just asleep in our house. and then at about 530 in the morning, we woke up to what sounded like gunshots, some sort of very , very loud commotion . an of very, very loud commotion. an and we got up an and then there was an undercover police car. an armed police had run out . and armed police had run out. and what we saw , a man had been what we saw, a man had been dragged out of a white van. he'd been tasered . he'd been pinned been tasered. he'd been pinned down essentially . he was down essentially. he was resisting arrest slightly . but resisting arrest slightly. but the police eventually did arrest him and then more police later turned up . so were the roads turned up. so were the roads eiesei— turned up. so were the roads eiesei prior— turned up. so were the roads closed prior to— turned up. so were the roads closed prior to this- ”cc c. so were the roads closed prior to this gentleman

being— closed prior to this gentleman being arrested?— closed prior to this gentleman being arrested? no i; closed prior to this gentleman being arrested? no ' “w: t: being arrested? no and could you and we've heard reports can you confirm that the man who was arrested, dragged out of that van?i arrested, dragged out of that van? i suspect that he was being followed. i imagine . was he in followed. i imagine. was he in possession of a knife ? yeah. so possession of a knife? yeah. so when he was arrested,- possession of a knife? yeah. so when he was arrested, he- “ci“ wi;7 yeah. so when he was arrested, he was inen— when he was arrested, he was inen inven— when he was arrested, he was then taken round— when he was arrested, he was then taken round the corner out of then taken round the corner out or enr— then taken round the corner out or view— then taken round the corner out or .— then taken round the corner out of our view . and— then taken round the corner out of our view . and then one of the of our view. and then one of the neiieenen— of our view. and then one of the policemen opened— of our view. and then one of the policemen opened the back door of policemen opened the back door ei ine— policemen opened the back door or ine vn— policemen opened the back door of the van and— policemen opened the back door of the van and pulled out a bag eni— of the van and pulled out a bag and men— of the van and pulled out a bag and then pulled— of the van and pulled out a bag and then pulled out an absolutely— and then pulled out an absolutely massive knife, like perry— absolutely massive knife, like nreiiy ine— absolutely massive knife, like nreiiy ine sie— absolutely massive knife, like pretty the size of— absolutely massive knife, like pretty the size of like an a4 niece— pretty the size of like an a4 nieee ei— pretty the size of like an a4 piece or paper. — pretty the size of like an a4 piece of paper. it was very big. view.— piece of paper. it was very big. view. and— piece of paper. it was very big. view. and ei— piece of paper. it was very big. wow. and of course,— piece of paper. it was very big. wow. and of course, this- piece of paper. it was very big. wow. and of course, this follows only last week. of course , the only last week. of course, the incident france , when incident in in france, when i think it was in annecy wasn't it, when deranged a failed asylum seeker went on the rampage of a knife attacking children in prams? yeah . so just children in prams? yeah. so just this idea of this of this area where this is happening, is this in the city centre ? so this is in the city centre? so this is on one of the— in the city centre? so this is on one of the tram - ’“ wt. car wt.wi;’“c”wi;7’ so this is on one of the tram stops that rinks— on one of the tram stops that

iinrs ie— on one of the tram stops that iinrs re ine— on one of the tram stops that links to the city— on one of the tram stops that links to the city centre. it's nreieiiy— links to the city centre. it's probably about— links to the city centre. it's probably about a literally a 3 or e— probably about a literally a 3 or n ninnie— probably about a literally a 3 or 4 minute drive away. it's neiniy— or 4 minute drive away. it's neiniy e— or 4 minute drive away. it's mainly a student area. um, but yeahv_ mainly a student area. um, but yeen ii-s— mainly a student area. um, but yeah, it's normally— mainly a student area. um, but yeah, it's normally quite busy. ine— yeah, it's normally quite busy. ine nei— yeah, it's normally quite busy. ine read is— yeah, it's normally quite busy. the road is closed— yeah, it's normally quite busy. the road is closed now, but if it the road is closed now, but if i sni— the road is closed now, but if i sni rer— the road is closed now, but if it wasn't for that— the road is closed now, but if it wasn't for that road being eiesei— it wasn't for that road being eiesei ii— it wasn't for that road being closed it would _ it wasn't for that road being closed it would be very busy. ani— closed it would be very busy. ann-yen— closed it would be very busy. and-you heard- closed it would be very busy. and-you heard what- closed it would be very busy. and -you heard what you| and when you heard what you assume were gunshots and we can see the, the screen, the windscreen of the van has been shattered . and how shots do shattered. and how many shots do you you heard? and it you think you heard? and it would only be a— you think you heard? and it would only be a few. - 37 and it would only be a few. it'd only be i— would only be a few. it'd only be i neuri— would only be a few. it'd only be i would say— would only be a few. it'd only be i would say two, three, maybe renn— be i would say two, three, maybe renn nui— be i would say two, three, maybe rein in men— be i would say two, three, maybe four. but then the— be i would say two, three, maybe four. but then the man was iner— four. but then the man was ieier. ne— four. but then the man was later. he was— four. but then the man was later. he was like lying down in the later. he was like lying down in ine ven— later. he was like lying down in ine wnen— later. he was like lying down in the van. when they opened, the armed— the van. when they opened, the armed noise— the van. when they opened, the armed police opened the door and inn-s— armed police opened the door and res vnen— armed police opened the door and that's when they— armed police opened the door and that's when they then tasered nin— that's when they then tasered nin eni— that's when they then tasered him and dragged him out. '“w: w: w: him and dragged him out. and did you see— him and dragged him out. and did you many— him and dragged him out. and did you see many ambulances on site? we've seen a whole range of emergency services there this morning. as you say, police officers, armed police, fire, fire, rescue workers, it seemed. but did you see any ambulances as well ? no, we just seen many as well? no, we just seen many noise— as well? no, we just seen many neiiee — as well? no, we just seen many police cars. they've— 7 no, we just seen many police cars. they've had about 2 or s— police cars. they've had about 2 or s nnii— police cars. they've had about 2 or s pull up— police cars. they've had about 2 or s pull up eni— police cars. they've had about 2 or 3 pull up and come and go. ani— or 3 pull up and come and go. and inen— or 3 pull up and come and go. and then armed— or 3 pull up and come and go. and then armed police have also been— and then armed police have also been nee—

and then armed police have also been nere ei— and then armed police have also been here at once— and then armed police have also been here at once again to visi— been here at once again to visii. nui— been here at once again to visit. but apart— been here at once again to visit. but apart from that, no, no fire— visit. but apart from that, no, no fire engines— visit. but apart from that, no, no fire engines and no ambulance . ani— no fire engines and no ambulance . ann vnn— no fire engines and no ambulance . ann wine are— no fire engines and no ambulance . and what are they— no fire engines and no ambulance . and what are they doing- no fire engines and no ambulance . and what are they doing now? the police, they're sort of just fenced off area there. they fenced off the area there. they said it's a crime scene.- fenced off the area there. they said it's a crime scene. so- t: they said it's a crime scene. so if i veni— said it's a crime scene. so if i veni ie— said it's a crime scene. so if i veni re ieeve— said it's a crime scene. so if i want to leave or— said it's a crime scene. so if i want to leave or if— said it's a crime scene. so if i want to leave or if my neighbours— want to leave or if my neighbours want to leave, we neve— neighbours want to leave, we neve ie— neighbours want to leave, we neve is give— neighbours want to leave, we have to give their details as snen. — have to give their details as snen. reen— have to give their details as such. yeah so— have to give their details as such. yeah so benton road and maine— such. yeah so benton road and iiepie sneer— such. yeah so benton road and maple street are— such. yeah so benton road and maple street are all closed off as far— maple street are all closed off as in as— maple street are all closed off as in as yen— maple street are all closed off as far as you could tell . c as far as you could tell. it insi— as far as you could tell. it insi semen— as far as you could tell. it just seemed as— as far as you could tell. it just seemed as though there's one individual. all that was apprehended by the emergency services. yeah, it seems to be one individual on his own . the one individual on his own. the person who i was with “w: , wiciwc ’“ the person who i was with who saw it said— person who i was with who saw it said i— person who i was with who saw it said i never— person who i was with who saw it said it looked like _ person who i was with who saw it said it looked like a— person who i was with who saw it said it looked like a man preieiiy— said it looked like a man preieniy in— said it looked like a man probably in early to late 40s. i iiin-i— probably in early to late 40s. i iiin-i quire— probably in early to late 40s. i didn't quite see— probably in early to late 40s. i didn't quite see that. but yeah, iney— didn't quite see that. but yeah, iney gei— didn't quite see that. but yeah, once they got dragged out, they veni— once they got dragged out, they veni sireieni— once they got dragged out, they went straight into— once they got dragged out, they went straight into the back of the went straight into the back of ine ven— went straight into the back of ine se— went straight into the back of ine se i— went straight into the back of the van. so it was— went straight into the back of the van. so it was almost as if iney— the van. so it was almost as if iney vee— the van. so it was almost as if they were stuck. _ the van. so it was almost as if they were stuck. they were like they were stuck. they were like ine-vere— they were stuck. they were like the were searching for the police were searching for seneinine— the police were searching for something that— the police were searching for something that he had on him. inani— something that he had on him. nieni — something that he had on him. nioni renn— something that he had on him. nioni rein. ii— something that he had on him. right yeah, it does,- something that he had on him. right w“/wi;viw’“ c : : right yeah, it does, it does feel following feel like they were following this it? yeah, this van, doesn't it? yeah, absolutely. and it's pretty much absolutely. and it's pretty much area-i— absolutely. and it's pretty much area-i se i— absolutely. and it's pretty much a-road, so i don't- a one way road, so i don't reeiiy— a one way road, so i don't really-where- a one way road, so i don't really where this van was really know where this van was iryine— really know where this van was iryine ie— really know where this van was iryino re oer—

really know where this van was iryino re oer re. — really know where this van was trying to get to. w“/wi;viw’“ really know where this van was trying to get to. “413?" trying to get to. yeah, i was going to say, is there any is there any strategic centre nearby. a police station or a hospital nearby? um, not as such reeiiy— hospital nearby? um, not as such reeiiy. ne. — hospital nearby? um, not as such really. no. there's— hospital nearby? um, not as such really. no. there's a— hospital nearby? um, not as such really. no. there's a few.- really. no. there's a few. inere-s— really. no. there's a few. inere-s e— really. no. there's a few. there's a few— really. no. there's a few. there's a few schools on the on inis— there's a few schools on the on ins-nui— there's a few schools on the on inis-nni spen— there's a few schools on the on this-but apart from - there's a few schools on the on this but apart from that this road. but apart from that no. this road. but apart from that .o.-um,_ this road. but apart from that nee-um, ve— this road. but apart from that no.-um, we, we're- this road. but apart from that no. um, we, we're going to no. right um, we, we're going to be no. right um, we, we're going to ie ieinei— no. right um, we, we're going to ie ieinei in— no. right um, we, we're going to be joined in the— no. right um, we, we're going to be joined in the studio by mike narr— be joined in the studio by mike nerr vvniie— be joined in the studio by mike mark white in— be joined in the studio by mike mark white in just a moment. obviensiy— mark white in just a moment. obviously this— mark white in just a moment. obviously this is— mark white in just a moment. obviously this is an— mark white in just a moment. obviously this is an emergency emerging situation option. if you can probably just clarify or discount this, if there's nothing to it, but it looks on social media that there are reports that a train an was derailed in nottingham and this is maybe one of the trams is do you have any idea whether there's any truth to that ? i'm there's any truth to that? i'm not 100% sure. i've heard- c“viwc7 i'm not 100% sure. i've heard the inn— not 100% sure. i've heard the tram come and— not 100% sure. i've heard the tram come and go this morning, but tram come and go this morning, in i-ve— tram come and go this morning, in i-ve nei— tram come and go this morning, but i've not actually heard it se in— but i've not actually heard it since, so i'm not— but i've not actually heard it since, so i'm not too sure if inere-s— since, so i'm not too sure if inere-s sene— since, so i'm not too sure if there's some sort- since, so i'm not too sure if there's some sort of disruption on there's some sort of disruption en inei. — there's some sort of disruption en inei. eni— there's some sort of disruption on that. but the— there's some sort of disruption on that. but the tram stop is eniy— on that. but the tram stop is eniy erenne— on that. but the tram stop is only around the— on that. but the tram stop is only around the corner from us. orey. — only around the corner from us. orey. -i>reneiie— only around the corner from us. okay. -dramatic stuff.- only around the corner from us. okay. -dramatic stuff. werel okay. right dramatic stuff. were you scared? yes yeah, we eiseinieiy. — you scared? yes yeah, we absolutely. we— swt.iwtwi;w:7’ “cit? yeah, we absolutely. we were looking ieerine— absolutely. we were looking ieerine ei— absolutely. we were looking looking at what's going on from the looking at what's going on from ine viniev— looking at what's going on from ine vineev. i— looking at what's going on from the window. i could tell where it the window. i could tell where i vs— the window. i could tell where ii going—

the window. i could tell where ii going ie— the window. i could tell where it was going to go— the window. i could tell where it was going to go next. really? neeense— it was going to go next. really? because there— it was going to go next. really? because there was— it was going to go next. really? because there was only there was eniy— because there was only there was eniy 2— because there was only there was eniy z er— because there was only there was eniy z er s— because there was only there was only 2 or 3 police— because there was only there was only 2 or 3 police that come out in ine— only 2 or 3 police that come out in ine eer— only 2 or 3 police that come out in ine ene— only 2 or 3 police that come out in the car and arrested the man. ane— in the car and arrested the man. and ine— in the car and arrested the man. and ine men— in the car and arrested the man. and the man was— in the car and arrested the man. and the man was certainly resisiine. — and the man was certainly resisting. and— and the man was certainly resisting. and then police more eeiiee— resisting. and then police more eeiiee-ieier— resisting. and then police more police-later-at- police did later turn up. at iner— police did later turn up. at me am,— police did later turn up. at that time, didn't we didn't that time, we didn't we didn't reeiiy—ves- that time, we didn't we didn'ti reeiiy—ves-ie really know what was going to neeeen— really know what was going to neeeen evesiiy— really know what was going to neeeen eveeiiy. — really know what was going to happen exactly. “j i: really know what was going to happen exactly. “j w: gig happen exactly. did you get a good look at this , this good look at this, this individual? have you got any sort of description of him . sort of description of him. i think we might have lost our eye witness. well, great that they sneree — witness. well, great that they sneree ii— witness. well, great that they shared it with— witness. well, great that they shared it with gb— well, great that they shared it with gb news. and he's siiii— shared it with gb news. and he's siiii nee.— shared it with gb news. and he's still here. we've— shared it with gb news. and he's still here. we've still got you. reen. — still here. we've still got you. reen. neiie— still here. we've still got you. yeah. hello can— still here. we've still got you. yeah. hello can you did you get veere— yeah. hello can you did you get venie yen— yeah. hello can you did you get venie yen ie— yeah. hello can you did you get would you be able— yeah. hello can you did you get would you be able to describe nine— would you be able to describe nine ie— would you be able to describe nine in say— would you be able to describe him? i'd say they— would you be able to describe him? i'd say they apprehend id in — him? i'd say they apprehend id in reev— him? i'd say they apprehend id in ieer ie— him? i'd say they apprehend id it. look to me— him? i'd say they apprehend id it. look to me ,_ him? i'd say they apprehend id it. look to me , he- him? i'd say they apprehend id it. look to me, he was wearing a hat, probably like mid to late 40s and i would say more dark skinned . okay. all right . well, skinned. okay. all right. well, thanks for sharing— skinned. okay. all right. well, thanks for sharing that- ““wi;w: t g well, thanks for sharing that with ’““wiw: osage t g well, thanks for sharing that with us. ane— thanks for sharing that with us. and siey— thanks for sharing that with us. and siey sere— thanks for sharing that with us. and stay safe, won't you ? and stay safe, won't you? thank you— and stay safe, won't you? thank yen . merr— and stay safe, won't you? thank you . mark wahaca,_ and stay safe, won't you? mark wahaca, head of you. mark wahaca, head of seenriiy. — you. mark wahaca, head of security. here's— mark wahaca, head of security. here's mark. what do you— security. here's mark. what do yen neare— security. here's mark. what do yen neere ine— security. here's mark. what do you hear? the home secretary we nneersiene— you hear? the home secretary we understand suella_ you hear? the home secretary we understand suella braverman, has been— understand suella braverman, has been irieiee— understand suella braverman, has been briefed on— understand suella braverman, has been briefed on this already.

res. — been briefed on this already. res. i— been briefed on this already. res. i neen— been briefed on this already. yes. i mean, it's— been briefed on this already. yes. i mean, it'slserious- yes. i mean, it's a serious unfolding incident . so it's no unfolding incident. so it's no surprise that the home secretary would be kept up to speed. it doesn't mean that we're looking at as many people would fear out at as many people would fear out a potential terrorist incident . a potential terrorist incident. now, in the fullness of time , it now, in the fullness of time, it may be that we're looking at something like that, but there are certain factors that don't indicate to me that it might be terrorism. and we're just neerino— terrorism. and we're just hearing, mark,- and we're just hearing, mark, that there are inree— hearing, mark, that there are inree eeeeie— hearing, mark, that there are three people are— hearing, mark, that there are three people are dead. is that eeniirneee— three people are dead. is that confirmed? we're hearing, which we're just hearing it now, it's been confirmed by the police, right? confirmed by nottinghamshire police. we certainly knew that this was a serious incident that was unfolding, that had taken place over multiple locations and may have involved a knife. and of course, we know that with regard to that man who was arrested, which we believe is connected to the incidents that unfolded earlier , the police apparently earlier, the police apparently were seen taking ping from a

rucksack, what looked like a rather large knife . so that, of rather large knife. so that, of course , will be factoring into course, will be factoring into the investigation going forward to try and piece together exactly. we're just to try and piece together exactly . we're just we're just exactly. we're just we're just seeing— exactly. we're just we're just seeing e— exactly. we're just we're just seeing e iii— exactly. we're just we're just seeing a bit more— cokeqccq we're just we're just seeing a bit more mark, he's 31 yeers— seeing a bit more mark, he's 31 yeers ere.— seeing a bit more mark, he's 31 yeers eie. nes— seeing a bit more mark, he's 31 years old. he's in— seeing a bit more mark, he's 31 years old. he's in custody and nes— years old. he's in custody and ne-s ieen— years old. he's in custody and he's been arrested— years old. he's in custody and he's been arrested for murder . he's been arrested for murder. nes— he's been arrested for murder. ne-s reen— he's been arrested for murder. he's been arrested— he's been arrested for murder. he's been arrested for- he's been arrested for murder. he's been arrested for murder. yeah, well, i mean, that's not surprising if you have when we have fatalities, when we were talking, the beginning, talking, mark, in the beginning, it perhaps the it struck me that perhaps the police been following this police had been following this van, perhaps now actually, van, but perhaps now actually, it was responding to the emergency calls following these deaths. yes, it's certainly eessiiie. — deaths. yes, it's certainly possible. the- deaths. yes, it's certainly possible. the time- : yes, it's certainly possible. c deaths. yes, it's certainly possible. the time that this happened, remember, the very early hours of the morning now , early hours of the morning now, this individual was arrested after 5 a.m. it doesn't mean that the stabbings took place at that the stabbings took place at that point. they may have taken place as an hour or two earlier. we don't know . but we know that we don't know. but we know that they took place at multiple locations . so if you're looking locations. so if you're looking at who might be up at that time, are you looking, for instance ,

are you looking, for instance, people that might be in a club at that time? now, if that is the case, then of course , there the case, then of course, there is always a risk that that could be terror related. i was just going to say , i do think it's going to say, i do think it's terror related. well , we've got terror related. well, we've got a terror related. well, we've got einere-s— terror related. well, we've got a there's also— terror related. well, we've got a there's also an— : well, we've got a there's also an issue. / a there's also an issue. yeah, nei— a there's also an issue. yeah, nee e— a there's also an issue. yeah, we've got a statement here. mark, i don't know if you want to mark, i don't know if you want re reen— mark, i don't know if you want re reee ns— mark, i don't know if you want to read us the— mark, i don't know if you want to read us the very latest, but i to read us the very latest, but iininr— to read us the very latest, but i think actually— to read us the very latest, but i think actually i've got access to i think actually i've got access e i— i think actually i've got access e i nere. — i think actually i've got access e i nere. a— i think actually i've got access to it here. a man— i think actually i've got access to it here. a man has been enesiee— to it here. a man has been arrested on— to it here. a man has been arrested on suspicion of murder ener— arrested on suspicion of murder eiier inree— arrested on suspicion of murder after three people— arrested on suspicion of murder after three people were killed in ine— after three people were killed in ine eiiy— after three people were killed in the city. police— after three people were killed in the city. police were called to in the city. police were called re iiresien— in the city. police were called to ilkeston road— in the city. police were called to ilkeston road just after 4 a.m. where two— to ilkeston road just after 4 a.m. where two people were found eeee— a.m. where two people were found need in— a.m. where two people were found need in ine— a.m. where two people were found dead in the street.— a.m. where two people were found dead in the street. officers inen— dead in the street. officers were then called to another ineieeni— were then called to another ineieeni in— were then called to another incident in milton street where a incident in milton street where eve nee— incident in milton street where a van had attempted to run over inree— a van had attempted to run over inree eeeeie— a van had attempted to run over three people. they— a van had attempted to run over three people. they are currently being— three people. they are currently being ireeiee— three people. they are currently being treated in— three people. they are currently being treated in hospital. a man has being treated in hospital. a man nes eise— being treated in hospital. a man has also been— being treated in hospital. a man has also been found dead in iieeieie— has also been found dead in magdala road.— has also been found dead in magdala road. police have enesiee— magdala road. police have enesiee e— magdala road. police have arrested a 31— magdala road. police have arrested a 31 year old man on snseieien— arrested a 31 year old man on snseieien ei— arrested a 31 year old man on suspicion of murder, and he in— suspicion of murder, and he remains in police custody. chief censieeie— remains in police custody. chief constable kate— remains in police custody. chief constable kate meynell has said this constable kate meynell has said inis is— constable kate meynell has said inis is e— constable kate meynell has said this is a horrific— constable kate meynell has said this is a horrific tragic this is a horrific and tragic ineieeni—

this is a horrific and tragic incident which— this is a horrific and tragic incident which has claimed the iives— incident which has claimed the iives ei— incident which has claimed the lives of three— incident which has claimed the lives of three people. we neiieve— lives of three people. we believe these _ lives of three people. we believe these three incidents are believe these three incidents eii— believe these three incidents are all linked.— believe these three incidents are all linked. and we have a in— are all linked. and we have a man in custody.— are all linked. and we have a man in custody. the investigation is at its early sieees— investigation is at its early sieees ene— investigation is at its early sieees ene e— investigation is at its early stages and a team of detectives is veering— stages and a team of detectives is verrine ie— stages and a team of detectives is working to establish exactly ener— is working to establish exactly vnei nes— is working to establish exactly what has happened. we ask the reuse— what has happened. we ask the neiieelie— what has happened. we ask the police-be patient— what has happened. we ask the police-be patient ,- what has happened. we ask the police be patient , the public what has happened. we ask the po bee be patient , the public what has happened. we ask the po be patient)atient , the public what has happened. we ask the po be patient while: , the public what has happened. we ask the po be patient while enquirieswlic to be patient while enquiries err-einne— to be patient while enquiries err-einne ai— to be patient while enquiries continue. at this— to be patient while enquiries continue. at this time , a number continue. at this time, a number of continue. at this time, a number ei reeds— continue. at this time, a number ei reees in— continue. at this time, a number of roads in the— continue. at this time, a number of roads in the city— continue. at this time, a number of roads in the city will remain eiesee— of roads in the city will remain eiesee es— of roads in the city will remain closed as the _ of roads in the city will remain closed as the investigation ereeresses— closed as the investigation ereeresses .— closed as the investigation progresses . as— closed as the investigation progresses . as they then go on progresses. as they then go on to progresses. as they then go on ie risi— progresses. as they then go on ie iisi ine— progresses. as they then go on to list the roads— progresses. as they then go on to list the roads in— progresses. as they then go on to list the roads in nottingham, vnien— to list the roads in nottingham, vnien ee— to list the roads in nottingham, which are now— to list the roads in nottingham, which are now closed. so if we send— which are now closed. so if we eenie ,— which are now closed. so if we eenie , i— which are now closed. so if we could , i mean— which are now closed. so if we could , i mean that— which are now closed. so if we could , i mean that city is going could, i mean that city is going to could, i mean that city is going ie ie— could, i mean that city is going e be snni— could, i mean that city is going to be shut down— could, i mean that city is going to be shut down for a long time, isn-i— to be shut down for a long time, isn-i ire— to be shut down for a long time, isn-i ire — to be shut down for a long time, isn't it? while— to be shut down for a long time, isn't it? while this— isn't it? while this investigation continues. yeah. you've got multiple scenes of seine-ininr— you've got multiple scenes of crime-think it- you've got multiple scenes of crime. think it absolutely you've got multiple scenes of crim of think it absolutely you've got multiple scenes of crimof indicatek it absolutely you've got multiple scenes of crim of indicate thatibsolutely you've got multiple scenes of crim of indicate that the lutely sort of indicate that the reeens— sort of indicate that the reports that— sort of indicate that the reports that we're getting and it's reports that we're getting and is venn— reports that we're getting and it's worth reiterating that , you it's worth reiterating that, you knew,— it's worth reiterating that, you knew, ine — it's worth reiterating that, you know, the police— it's worth reiterating that, you know, the police were called to reeens— know, the police were called to reeens iner— know, the police were called to reeens inei e— know, the police were called to reports that a van— know, the police were called to reports that a van had attempted to reports that a van had attempted e n— reports that a van had attempted to run over some— reports that a van had attempted to run over some three people iner— to run over some three people inei es— to run over some three people inei in— to run over some three people that was in milton— to run over some three people that was in milton street in veerinenen— that was in milton street in veerinenen .— that was in milton street in nottingham . the other incidents nottingham. the other incidents that nottingham. the other incidents inei iney— nottingham. the other incidents inei iney — nottingham. the other incidents that they were called to was in iiresien— that they were called to was in ilkeston road— that they were called to was in ilkeston road just— that they were called to was in ilkeston road just after 4 a.m. so ilkeston road just after 4 a.m. se iner—

ilkeston road just after 4 a.m. so that confirms— ilkeston road just after 4 a.m. so that confirms what we were ieirine— so that confirms what we were ieirine eieni.— so that confirms what we were talking about. the arrest was ener— talking about. the arrest was eiier iive— talking about. the arrest was after five, 530,— talking about. the arrest was after five, 530, but the incidents— after five, 530, but the incidents were unfolding earlier inen— incidents were unfolding earlier inen iner— incidents were unfolding earlier than that where— incidents were unfolding earlier than that where two people were renne— than that where two people were renne eeee— than that where two people were renne need in— than that where two people were found dead in ilkeston road . and found dead in ilkeston road. and inen— found dead in ilkeston road. and inen iner— found dead in ilkeston road. and then that third— found dead in ilkeston road. and then that third incident, a man eise— then that third incident, a man was also found— then that third incident, a man was also found dead in mark neien— was also found dead in mark neien ieeee— was also found dead in mark dolan road in— was also found dead in mark dolan road in nottingham. now iney-re— dolan road in nottingham. now iney-re seyine— dolan road in nottingham. now they're saying three people. so it enters— they're saying three people. so it appears stabbed to death . so it appears stabbed to death. so iner— it appears stabbed to death. so inei venie— it appears stabbed to death. so that would account for those inree— that would account for those inree ene— that would account for those three and others— that would account for those three and others that apparently inere— three and others that apparently inere es— three and others that apparently inere en— three and others that apparently there was an attempt to run them ene— there was an attempt to run them ene e eye— there was an attempt to run them over and a eye witness was sneeesiine— over and a eye witness was sneeesiine ne— over and a eye witness was suggesting he heard the shots , suggesting he heard the shots, vnien— suggesting he heard the shots, vnien vnien— suggesting he heard the shots, which which stopped the van in its necks— which which stopped the van in its ireers ei— which which stopped the van in its tracks at five _ which which stopped the van in its tracks at five 30in the nernine. — its tracks at five 30in the morning- se— its tracks at five 30in the morning. its tracks at five 30in the- morning. so that's some hour. and a half after the first killings. yes. and that wouldn't be nnnsnei— killings. yes. and that wouldn't be unusual. police— cc “93 yes. and that wouldn't be unusual. police responding cc “q3 yes. and that wouldn't be unusual. police responding to an be unusual. police responding to en insistent,— be unusual. police responding to en ineieeni, e— be unusual. police responding to an incident, a series of incidents— an incident, a series of incidents .— an incident, a series of incidents . they've got, you incidents. they've got, you knew,— incidents. they've got, you knew, ine— incidents. they've got, you know, the chances that the snseeei— know, the chances that the snseeei is— know, the chances that the suspect is still— know, the chances that the suspect is still on scene are ereeeeiy— suspect is still on scene are ereeeeiy siin— suspect is still on scene are probably slim ._ suspect is still on scene are probably slim . that suspect may probably slim. that suspect may neve— probably slim. that suspect may neve nevee— probably slim. that suspect may have moved on— probably slim. that suspect may have moved on to— probably slim. that suspect may have moved on to another ieeeiien— have moved on to another ieeeiien es— have moved on to another location, as it— have moved on to another location, as it seems has neeeenee.— location, as it seems has neeeenee. ir— location, as it seems has happened. if we're talking about at happened. if we're talking about ei ieesi— happened. if we're talking about at least three— happened. if we're talking about at least three scenes of crime nee.— at least three scenes of crime nere. se— at least three scenes of crime nere. se ine— at least three scenes of crime here. so the police would have

been— here. so the police would have been ieerine— here. so the police would have been looking and— here. so the police would have been looking and taking eyewitness— been looking and taking eyewitness statements, looking at eyewitness statements, looking ei cerv— eyewitness statements, looking at cctv cameras— eyewitness statements, looking at cctv cameras to see a vehicle in ine— at cctv cameras to see a vehicle in ine eee— at cctv cameras to see a vehicle in ine er— at cctv cameras to see a vehicle in the area or a— at cctv cameras to see a vehicle in the area or a person ensvvenne— in the area or a person answering the description of neeve— answering the description of whoever their— answering the description of whoever their suspect was . and whoever their suspect was. and iney-ve — whoever their suspect was. and rney-ve eieeriy— whoever their suspect was. and they've clearly caught up with inen — they've clearly caught up with inen ei— they've clearly caught up with inen ei e— they've clearly caught up with them at a period,— they've clearly caught up with them at a period, an hour or an nenr— them at a period, an hour or an nenr ene— them at a period, an hour or an nenr ene e— them at a period, an hour or an hour and a half— them at a period, an hour or an hour and a half later. /wi1wc. hour and a half later. you know, it's hour and a half later. you know, is e— hour and a half later. you know, it's a rampage. somebody you know, this this guy that's been arrested, he was out to cause some serious damage . yeah. some serious damage. yeah. well, there's no doubt that that inis— well, there's no doubt that that this incident— well, there's no doubt that that this incident itself— well, there's no doubt that that this incident itself was an incident— this incident itself was an incident that— this incident itself was an incident that unfold with with it incident that unfold with with i sees— incident that unfold with with i 1— incident that unfold with with it seems , violent intent. it seems, violent intent. vvneiner— it seems, violent intent. whether this— it seems, violent intent. whether this individual who's in ensieey— whether this individual who's in ensieey is— whether this individual who's in ensieey is ine— whether this individual who's in custody is the alleged attacker. ane— custody is the alleged attacker. ane vnei— custody is the alleged attacker. ane vnei ine— custody is the alleged attacker. and what the motivation was , and what the motivation was, iner— and what the motivation was, me viii— and what the motivation was, that will obviously have to be entered— that will obviously have to be entered in— that will obviously have to be explored in the— that will obviously have to be explored in the fullness of time. — explored in the fullness of time. vie-ve— explored in the fullness of time. we've got to say that ieense yen— time. we've got to say that because, you know, persons in ensieey— because, you know, persons in ensieey, iney-re— because, you know, persons in custody, they're entitled to due precess— custody, they're entitled to due ereeess . ir— custody, they're entitled to due ereeess . n is— custody, they're entitled to due process . it is a— custody, they're entitled to due process . c process. it is a terror attack. mark will this be the most serious on british soil for some time? well i mean, the thing with regard to terror attacks, i

just want to insert a caveat. you know, this happened- you know, this happened as we're neerine— you know, this happened as we're we're hearing now— you know, this happened as we're we're hearing now around about 4 neyie— we're hearing now around about 4 neyie e— we're hearing now around about 4 neyee e ree— we're hearing now around about 4 a.m, maybe a tad earlier that it ieeen. — a.m, maybe a tad earlier that it ieeen. se— a.m, maybe a tad earlier that it began. so whose— a.m, maybe a tad earlier that it began. so whose on the street at iner— began. so whose on the street at me time— began. so whose on the street at that time potentially? people iner— that time potentially? people inei ee— that time potentially? people that are coming— that time potentially? people that are coming out of nightclubs,— that are coming out of nightclubs, students and a like a nightclubs, students and a like e nie— nightclubs, students and a like e big sineeni— nightclubs, students and a like a big student area? yes it's eiseinieiy— a big student area? yes it's absolutely perfectly possible iner— absolutely perfectly possible that someone— absolutely perfectly possible that someone who is, you know, nes— that someone who is, you know, nes e— that someone who is, you know, nes e ienerisi— that someone who is, you know, has a terrorist motivation is ieerine— has a terrorist motivation is ieerine rer— has a terrorist motivation is looking for effectively vulnerable _ looking for effectively vulnerable people wandering the streets— vulnerable people wandering the sireeis ei— vulnerable people wandering the streets at that— vulnerable people wandering the streets at that time of night vnen— streets at that time of night vnen ii-s— streets at that time of night when it's perhaps easier to reiter— when it's perhaps easier to rereer inen— when it's perhaps easier to target them as— when it's perhaps easier to target them as well because the streets— target them as well because the sireeis — target them as well because the streets are less— target them as well because the streets are less busy. the other issne— streets are less busy. the other iner— streets are less busy. the other inei ve— streets are less busy. the other issue that we should touch on is ines— issue that we should touch on is inei, yen— issue that we should touch on is inei, yen knew,— issue that we should touch on is that, you know, like many inner cities— that, you know, like many inner cities yen— that, you know, like many inner cities, you know,— that, you know, like many inner cities, you know, nottingham has its snee— cities, you know, nottingham has its snere er— cities, you know, nottingham has its share of violent— cities, you know, nottingham has its share of violent crime and, you— its share of violent crime and, yen knew,— its share of violent crime and, yen knew, we— its share of violent crime and, you know, we shouldn't discount iner— you know, we shouldn't discount inei inere— you know, we shouldn't discount inei inere ney— you know, we shouldn't discount that there may be— you know, we shouldn't discount that there may be some kind of gang— that there may be some kind of geng er— that there may be some kind of geng er evege— that there may be some kind of gang or revenge related motive nee.— gang or revenge related motive nere. in— gang or revenge related motive nere. i-n nei— gang or revenge related motive here. i'm not saying that we een-i— here. i'm not saying that we een-i neve— here. i'm not saying that we don't have any— here. i'm not saying that we don't have any information on iner— don't have any information on inei. eni— don't have any information on inei. nni insi— don't have any information on that. but just as— don't have any information on that. but just as we talk about the that. but just as we talk about ine ns— that. but just as we talk about ine us 1— that. but just as we talk about ine us , yen— that. but just as we talk about the us , you know, the very the us, you know, the very sinister— the us, you know, the very sinister and— the us, you know, the very sinister and scary issue of

rene— sinister and scary issue of iene ,— sinister and scary issue of terror , terror,— sinister and scary issue of terror , terror, there's also the terror, terror, there's also the eessieiiiiy— terror, terror, there's also the possibility pure— terror, terror, there's also the possibility pure and there's a inne— possibility pure and there's a third possibility— possibility pure and there's a third possibility as well, that someone is disturbed. yes for vneiever— someone is disturbed. yes for whatever other— someone is disturbed. yes for whatever other reason. and it may— whatever other reason. and it rney nei— whatever other reason. and it ney nei ie— whatever other reason. and it may not be terrorist related . may not be terrorist related. ane— may not be terrorist related. ane iney-ve— may not be terrorist related. and they've decided to go off ene— and they've decided to go off ene eneei— and they've decided to go off and enact that— and they've decided to go off and enact that in— and they've decided to go off and enact that in a very violent ney— and enact that in a very violent vey. reen— and enact that in a very violent vey. reen. — and enact that in a very violent vey. veen. nev— and enact that in a very violent way. yeah. w:c wt

iney— get that message out that, yes, iney ee— get that message out that, yes, iney seeiy— get that message out that, yes, they are sadly looking at a eeieniiei— they are sadly looking at a potential terrorist motivation or potential terrorist motivation er iney-re— potential terrorist motivation or no, they're not. they're ieering— or no, they're not. they're ieering in— or no, they're not. they're looking in another direction . looking in another direction. ane— looking in another direction. ane ei— looking in another direction. and of course,— looking in another direction. and of course, one of the most ineeneni— and of course, one of the most important aspects— and of course, one of the most important aspects that they need to important aspects that they need ie gei— important aspects that they need re gei eeress— important aspects that they need re gei is— important aspects that they need to get across is to— important aspects that they need to get across is to the public is en— to get across is to the public is an assurance— to get across is to the public is an assurance that this was an iseieiee— is an assurance that this was an isolated incident,— is an assurance that this was an isolated incident, because if ieiring— isolated incident, because if we're talking about a terrorist eiieen— we're talking about a terrorist eiieer, inen— we're talking about a terrorist attack, then the— we're talking about a terrorist attack, then the very first ining — attack, then the very first rning — attack, then the very first thing, once you've dealt with ine— thing, once you've dealt with ine iniiiei— thing, once you've dealt with the initial mass— thing, once you've dealt with the initial mass casualty event, as the initial mass casualty event, es inis— the initial mass casualty event, es inis sees— the initial mass casualty event, as this seems to— the initial mass casualty event, as this seems to be, is you've got— as this seems to be, is you've gei ie— as this seems to be, is you've gei re inen— as this seems to be, is you've gei re rnen very— as this seems to be, is you've got to then very quick time eeiernine— got to then very quick time determine whether there's eneiner— determine whether there's another threat _ determine whether there's another threat out there. is it inen— another threat out there. is it more than one— another threat out there. is it more than one person in planning siniier— more than one person in planning similar incidents?— more than one person in planning similar incidents? as i say , similar incidents? as i say, we're not we're— similar incidents? as i say, we're not we're not at the stage of we're not we're not at the stage ei seying— we're not we're not at the stage ei seying rnei— we're not we're not at the stage of saying that this— we're not we're not at the stage of saying that this is or isn't a of saying that this is or isn't e ienerisi— of saying that this is or isn't a terrorist attack— of saying that this is or isn't a terrorist attack at this stage . ane— a terrorist attack at this stage . and i— a terrorist attack at this stage . and i sey— a terrorist attack at this stage . and i say that— a terrorist attack at this stage . and i say that i've highlighted the two other eeieniiei— highlighted the two other potential avenues of crime and a eisinriee— potential avenues of crime and a disturbed mind— potential avenues of crime and a disturbed mind for— potential avenues of crime and a disturbed mind for people who are disturbed mind for people who insi— disturbed mind for people who tnsi rnning— disturbed mind for people who are just tuning in. g are just tuning in. mark, give us a synopsis of what's been

happening since the early hours of this morning . yeah, well, of this morning. yeah, well, this incident— “g yeah, well, this incident unfolded at least at this incident unfolded at least ei 4— this incident unfolded at least ei r en— this incident unfolded at least ei e neyee— this incident unfolded at least at 4 a.m, maybe some time before eense— at 4 a.m, maybe some time before eeiiee vee— at 4 a.m, maybe some time before police were called— at 4 a.m, maybe some time before police were called to— at 4 a.m, maybe some time before police were called to one incident — police were called to one incident. at— police were called to one incident. at about a man behind a van or at least— incident. at about a man behind a van or at least a— incident. at about a man behind a van or at least a van. i snenie— a van or at least a van. i snenie sey. — a van or at least a van. i should say. there was no indication— should say. there was no indication of— should say. there was no indication of a- should say. there was no indication of a man at this siege— indication of a man at this siege 1— indication of a man at this siege 1 e— indication of a man at this siege 1 e ven— indication of a man at this stage , a van that had attempted stage, a van that had attempted to stage, a van that had attempted re ni— stage, a van that had attempted to run over three— stage, a van that had attempted to run over three people. that in— to run over three people. that was in milton— to run over three people. that was in milton street in nottingham. '“w: was in milton street in nottingham. “w: was in milton street in- nottingham. and those people was in milton street in— nottingham. and those people are in hospital, i think. are they ? in hospital, i think. are they? i don't think we know at this siege— i don't think we know at this siege ieering— i don't think we know at this stage looking at— i don't think we know at this stage looking at whether these eeeeie— stage looking at whether these eeeeie vee— stage looking at whether these people were able— stage looking at whether these people were able to jump out of the people were able to jump out of ine vey— people were able to jump out of ine vey er— people were able to jump out of the way or were— people were able to jump out of the way or were injured in this. it the way or were injured in this. it inse— the way or were injured in this. it tnse seys— the way or were injured in this. it tnse seys in— the way or were injured in this. it just says in terms— the way or were injured in this. it just says in terms of- the way or were injured in this. it just says in terms of the- it just says in terms of the police statement attempting to run over three people so it doesn't they actually doesn't say that they actually run over three people. let's see, maybe just a nuance, but we'll just see what what the further updates are on that. thenin further updates are on that. then in ilkeston road, that's just after 4 a.m, two people were found dead in the street.

all also in magdala road . again all also in magdala road. again away from ilkeston road in nottingham . another person, a nottingham. another person, a man . this time they are man. this time they are describing this person as found deadin describing this person as found dead in the street. they're highly unusual, isn't it? the timing of this mark- highly unusual, isn't it? the timing of this mark so- “ 92g c. c c7’ the timing of this mark so early, eeriy— timing of this mark so early, eeriy nenrs— timing of this mark so early, early hours of— timing of this mark so early, early hours of the morning when nest— early hours of the morning when nesr eeeeie— early hours of the morning when nesr eeeeie ee— early hours of the morning when most people are asleep ? / most people are asleep? yeah. i 1 green— most people are asleep? yeah. i mean , clearly in— most people are asleep? yeah. i mean , clearly in terms of what mean, clearly in terms of what we've seen in the past, if we are going down the road of perhaps fearing this might be a terror attack, terrorist attacks tend to happen in crowded places, that's what we've seen. the pattern to be. they don't tend to target isolated pockets. so that's why you always get the messages coming out from the police and the other agencies saying, you know, be aware of your surroundings in crowded places, crowded places. what we're talking about, we're talking about train stations,

shopping centres is just busy streets , tourist hotspots . yes, streets, tourist hotspots. yes, but also nightclubs . and just but also nightclubs. and just because it hasn't taken place at, say, you know, 8 or 9:00 at night, at a nightclub doesn't mean it's not more sinister in terms of motivation . it's hard terms of motivation. it's hard to see how you get much more sinister than three people dead and others being , you know, and others being, you know, potentially run over by by a van. but in terms of what the actual motivation was , just actual motivation was, just because it didn't happen in a in a in a time of day where we would more normally associate with a terrorist attack, doesn't mean it's not. it certainly senses— mean it's not. it certainly sounds like— mean it's not. it certainly sounds like this- it certainly sounds like this ilkeston road iner— sounds like this ilkeston road inei yen— sounds like this ilkeston road inei yen vee— sounds like this ilkeston road that you were talking about is very— that you were talking about is very eiese— that you were talking about is very eiese ie— that you were talking about is very close to the— that you were talking about is very close to the university university— very close to the university university of _ very close to the university university of nottingham jubilee cenens— university of nottingham jubilee cenens 1— university of nottingham jubilee cenens 1 i— university of nottingham jubilee campus , i think— university of nottingham jubilee campus , i think is very nearby. campus, i think is very nearby. ane— campus, i think is very nearby. ane er— campus, i think is very nearby. and of course,— campus, i think is very nearby. and of course, our— campus, i think is very nearby. and of course, our student areas neve—

and of course, our student areas neve inere— and of course, our student areas have there will— and of course, our student areas have there will be— and of course, our student areas have there will be bars, there viii— have there will be bars, there viii ie — have there will be bars, there will be nightclubs, takeaways . will be nightclubs, takeaways. reen. — will be nightclubs, takeaways. reen. air— will be nightclubs, takeaways. yeah. all along— will be nightclubs, takeaways. yeah. all along that road. so it nigni— yeah. all along that road. so it nigni senne— yeah. all along that road. so it might sound even— yeah. all along that road. so it might sound even though you ininr— might sound even though you ininr were— might sound even though you think we're 4:00— might sound even though you think we're 4:00 in the morning, it think we're 4:00 in the morning, i viii— think we're 4:00 in the morning, i viii ie— think we're 4:00 in the morning, i viii be very— think we're 4:00 in the morning, it will be very quiet. of course, in student towns, those areas can be really— course, in student towns, those areas can be really busy at 4:00 in ine— areas can be really busy at 4:00 in ine nerning— areas can be really busy at 4:00 in the morning-and- areas can be really busy at 4:00 in the morning. and there in the morning. well and there viii— in the morning. well and there viii ie— in the morning. well and there will be because— in the morning. well and there will be because we just know a sineeni-s— will be because we just know a student's life— will be because we just know a student's life is— will be because we just know a student's life is never sort student's life is never a sort of student's life is never a sort ei-ie— student's life is never a sort er-ie nee— student's life is never a sort of to bed scenario , is it? of early to bed scenario, is it? inere— of early to bed scenario, is it? inere eiren— of early to bed scenario, is it? there often and— of early to bed scenario, is it? there often and this— of early to bed scenario, is it? there often and this ,- of early to bed scenario, is it? there often and this , of- of early to bed scenario, is it? there often and this , of course, there often and this, of course, comes just a week after a few days, actually after the terror attack sarwar in france, attack in anas sarwar in france, when the lunatic went on a rampage with a knife attacking children in prams. you . yes, children in prams. you. yes, absolutely. but you know what we should add to that is, of course, the time everybody thought, well, that must be terror related. we've been told so far they've not been able to find a terrorist motivation . it find a terrorist motivation. it is leaning more towards as a disturbed mind, some kind of vendetta related attack. so it's just always worth inserting that caveat. as angry as that makes the audience. because it does.

because as you know, they see inside events like this and they say this is typical. the mainstream media trying to cover up what is unfolding here. nobody's tried to cover up . nobody's tried to cover up. we're just trying to we'll bring the we're just trying to we'll bring ine news— we're just trying to we'll bring ine es— we're just trying to we'll bring the news as we _ we're just trying to we'll bring the news as we get it. absolutely. _ the news as we get it. absolutely. as- the news as we get it. absolutely. as soon - the news as we get it. absolutely. as soon as we get confirmation that the authorities are treating, however it may us. and however it may look to us. and of course, it does look it just as reminisce to me of what we saw on london bridge back in 2017. there will be torfaen the very same size and colour of van was used to plough people down on london bridge before then. on that occasion , three attackers that occasion, three attackers went into borough market and started stabbing anyone they came across . so yeah, we are came across. so yeah, we are more came across. so yeah, we are more than aware of how this looks. yes but just in starting, as always, just these caveats that, you know, there's a there's a specific problem with violent crime in nottingham, as there are many city centres as well that shouldn't be overlooked. and there's always that potential. third scenario, will the cobra committee meet

about this? the downing street emergency— about this? the downing street emergency security— 37 the downing street emergency security committee ? emergency security committee? vein— emergency security committee? visit if— emergency security committee? visit if its— emergency security committee? visit if its geng— emergency security committee? well, if it's gang related- emergency security committee? well, if it's gang related or- well, if it's gang related or it's related to someone who perhaps is a an issue related to some kind of disturbed emotional state, cobra is not going to meet if they get an indication that this is a potentially terrorist related , then without terrorist related, then without a doubt, cobra will meet. we'll also have another other meeting, an assessment from jtc, which is the joint terrorism analysis centre that's made up of officials from the security services and other agencies whose job it is really to try to determine what the current threat level should be set at. so at the moment we've gone down to substantial because as you'll remember, of course in 2017, the year where we had five terrorist attacks that actually got through, the authorities were unable to stop before they happened. that terrorist threat level for a time went up to

critical which is the highest point in a five point scale meaning an attack is imminent. then went down to severe and it was at severe for years. as meaning an attack is highly likely. but just in the last year it's gone down to substantial two meaning attack an attack is likely but it's just not step step further down if you're just tuning in, huge parts of nottingham city centre are closed this morning. the tram services are “w; the tram services are suspend ended train services are suspend ended all tram services are suspend ended eii tren— tram services are suspend ended all tram services— tram services are suspend ended all tram services in— tram services are suspend ended all tram services in nottingham neve— all tram services in nottingham neve teen— all tram services in nottingham have been suspend added but nct, vnen— have been suspend added but nct, vnien is— have been suspend added but nct, vnien is ine— have been suspend added but nct, which is the operator buses are eeeerenriy— which is the operator buses are apparently accepting tram iiereis— apparently accepting tram tickets and— apparently accepting tram tickets and passes. you're going to tickets and passes. you're going re neve— tickets and passes. you're going re neve ie— tickets and passes. you're going re neve re ee— tickets and passes. you're going to have to do a— tickets and passes. you're going to have to do a little bit of veering— to have to do a little bit of verring eni— to have to do a little bit of working out whether if you're off working out whether if you're err re — working out whether if you're err re veer— working out whether if you're off to work this— working out whether if you're off to work this morning in veiiingnen— off to work this morning in nottingham it's not going to be eesy— nottingham it's not going to be eesy eense— nottingham it's not going to be easy because of— nottingham it's not going to be easy because of this breaking easy because of this on breaking siineiien— easy because of this on breaking situation. nottinghamshire situation. an nottinghamshire eense— situation. an nottinghamshire eense-in— situation. an nottinghamshire neiiee-inine- situation. an nottinghamshire police in the last few police have said in the last few rnernensi— police have said in the last few rnernensi ine— police have said in the last few moments the chief constable kate iieynere— moments the chief constable kate iieynere nes— moments the chief constable kate maynard has said— moments the chief constable kate maynard has said this is a neniiie— maynard has said this is a horrific and— maynard has said this is a horrific and tragic incident vnen— horrific and tragic incident vnien nes— horrific and tragic incident which has claimed the lives of

inree— which has claimed the lives of rnree eeeeie— which has claimed the lives of three people. we— which has claimed the lives of three people. we believe that inese— three people. we believe that inese inree— three people. we believe that these three incidents are all iinree— these three incidents are all iinree ene— these three incidents are all linked and we— these three incidents are all linked and we have a man in ensieey— linked and we have a man in ensieey. ine— linked and we have a man in custody. the investigation is at its eniy— custody. the investigation is at its early stages— custody. the investigation is at its early stages and a team of eeieeiives— its early stages and a team of detectives is— its early stages and a team of detectives is working to esieiiisn — detectives is working to establish what has establish exactly what has neeeenee— establish exactly what has neeeenee 1— establish exactly what has happened . and at time, happened. and at this time, a nnnei— happened. and at this time, a nnrnerie er— happened. and at this time, a number of roads— happened. and at this time, a number of roads in the city will remain-as this- remain closed as this investigation . you investigation progresses. you knew— investigation progresses. you knew ener— investigation progresses. you know what there will be right e iei— know what there will be right e iei ei— know what there will be right now a lot of very— know what there will be right now a lot of very anxious nerenis— now a lot of very anxious eerenis vne— now a lot of very anxious parents who have students at neiiingnen— parents who have students at nottingham university who are ringing— nottingham university who are ringing-ringing— nottingham university who are ringing ringing and ringing ringing and ringing and ringing and ringing and ringing and ringing ene-ene— ringing and ringing and ringing and and students, and teenagers and students, rinsi— and teenagers and students, irnsi ne— and teenagers and students, trust me, don't— and teenagers and students, trust me, don't often get out of bee— trust me, don't often get out of bed nniii— trust me, don't often get out of bed until lunchtime. you've got sene—eneee- bed until lunchtime. you've got some—ahead of. bed until lunchtime. you've got- some_ahead of them some anxious hours ahead of them . rer— some anxious hours ahead of them . rer nerenis— some anxious hours ahead of them . ier eerenis ei— some anxious hours ahead of them . for parents of people who are at . for parents of people who are ei neiiingnen— . for parents of people who are at nottingham university, get in ienen— at nottingham university, get in renen vnn— at nottingham university, get in renen viin ns— at nottingham university, get in touch with us here on the eregrenne— touch with us here on the eregrenne es— touch with us here on the programme as well. gb views at gb programme as well. gb views at en nevs— programme as well. gb views at en revs — programme as well. gb views at en revs 1— programme as well. gb views at gb news .com . if— programme as well. gb views at gb news .com . if you can shed gb news .com. if you can shed anv— gb news .com. if you can shed eny igni— gb news .com. if you can shed eny iigni en— gb news .com. if you can shed any light on this,— gb news .com. if you can shed any light on this, i— gb news .com. if you can shed any light on this, i think one of any light on this, i think one ei ine— any light on this, i think one ei ine inings— any light on this, i think one of the things i'd— any light on this, i think one of the things i'd like to understand— of the things i'd like to understand is, is what this area is iire. — understand is, is what this area is iire. rei— understand is, is what this area is iire. iei ns— understand is, is what this area is like. let us know if you are reniiier— is like. let us know if you are familiar with— is like. let us know if you are familiar with this— is like. let us know if you are familiar with this area, what is neeeening— familiar with this area, what is neeeening rnere— familiar with this area, what is happening there this morning? vener— happening there this morning? vvnei neve— happening there this morning? vvnei neve yen— happening there this morning? what have you seen on mark? ' “w: what have you seen on mark? and the eyewitness— what have you seen on mark? and the eyewitness was— what have you seen on mark? and the eyewitness was very— what have you seen on mark? and the eyewitness was very dramatic when woken up by the when he said woken up by the sound of gunshots . and can sound of gunshots. and we can see from the footage he supplied

with that the windscreen of with us that the windscreen of the van has been shattered by the van has been shattered by the gunshots. he said he thought he 3 or shots. yes, no, he heard 3 or 4 shots. yes, no, that gunshots. it may that maybe gunshots. it may equally be batus_ qc. it may equally be batus would often neeeens— equally be batus would often neeeens is— equally be batus would often happens is armed police when iney-re— happens is armed police when iney-re trying— happens is armed police when iney-re rrying ie— happens is armed police when they're trying to get control of a scene and to— they're trying to get control of a scene and to get effectively nignienee— a scene and to get effectively frightened the _ a scene and to get effectively frightened the living daylights out frightened the living daylights eni er— frightened the living daylights eni er e— frightened the living daylights out of a suspect— frightened the living daylights out of a suspect get them to tree— out of a suspect get them to drop whatever— out of a suspect get them to drop whatever they've got and get drop whatever they've got and gei eni— drop whatever they've got and gei eni ei— drop whatever they've got and get eni er ine— drop whatever they've got and get out of the vehicle. well i erien— get out of the vehicle. well i eiien ny— get out of the vehicle. well i eiien iry ie— get out of the vehicle. well i often try to just,— get out of the vehicle. well i often try to just, you know, eieieer— often try to just, you know, clobber the _ often try to just, you know, clobber the window, smash the vvinsereeen— clobber the window, smash the windscreen like _ clobber the window, smash the windscreen like that. it's all its— windscreen like that. it's all its sneer— windscreen like that. it's all it's shock and— windscreen like that. it's all it's shock and get it's shock and awe to get someone to _ it's shock and awe to get someone to comply . so they look someone to comply. so they look ire— someone to comply. so they look iire vnen— someone to comply. so they look iire vnen yen— someone to comply. so they look like when you see— someone to comply. so they look like when you see the closer up sneis— like when you see the closer up sneis ei— like when you see the closer up sneis er ine — like when you see the closer up shots of the van,— like when you see the closer up shots of the van, they look like it's shots of the van, they look like is mere— shots of the van, they look like it's more like— shots of the van, they look like it's more like the— shots of the van, they look like it's more like the kind of the way— it's more like the kind of the vey iner— it's more like the kind of the vey inei ine— it's more like the kind of the way that the glass is shattering ieers— way that the glass is shattering ieers ire— way that the glass is shattering looks like it's— way that the glass is shattering looks like it's more from an ingest.— looks like it's more from an insect ii— looks like it's more from an intent ii ney— looks like it's more from an impact. it may well be bullets. reen. — impact. it may well be bullets. reen. ane— impact. it may well be bullets. yeah. and certainly there was reeens— yeah. and certainly there was reeens er— yeah. and certainly there was reports of gunfire being heard , reports of gunfire being heard, eeeereing— reports of gunfire being heard, eeeereing ie— reports of gunfire being heard, according to this— reports of gunfire being heard, according to this person. but egein— according to this person. but egein 1— according to this person. but egein 1 yen— according to this person. but again , you know, someone has again, you know, someone has insi— again, you know, someone has tnsi weren— again, you know, someone has tnsi veren ne— again, you know, someone has just woken up the— again, you know, someone has just woken up the sounds of two teens— just woken up the sounds of two batons smashing— just woken up the sounds of two batons smashing against vvinsereeen— batons smashing against windscreen can sound like gnnsneis— windscreen can sound like

gnnsneis es— windscreen can sound like gunshots as well because it's so gniei— gunshots as well because it's so gniei ei— gunshots as well because it's so gniei ei iner— gunshots as well because it's so quiet at that time— gunshots as well because it's so quiet at that time ,_ gunshots as well because it's so quiet at that time , of course, quiet at that time, of course, as quiet at that time, of course, es veii. — quiet at that time, of course, es veii. see— quiet at that time, of course, as well. 530 in— quiet at that time, of course, as well. 530 in the- quiet at that time, of course, as well. 530 “ “g as well. 530 in the morning. what is absolutely— as well. 530 in the morning. what is absolutely true- as well. 530 “ “q what is absolutely true is that inis— what is absolutely true is that inis es— what is absolutely true is that inis en— what is absolutely true is that this was an armed police eeereiien— this was an armed police operation to— this was an armed police operation to arrest this man. inere-s— operation to arrest this man. inere-s ne— operation to arrest this man. there's no doubt— operation to arrest this man. there's no doubt about that. inese— there's no doubt about that. inese ee— there's no doubt about that. these are armed— there's no doubt about that. these are armed officers on the gene— these are armed officers on the ground surrounding this man. the incident— ground surrounding this man. the incident itself. _ ground surrounding this man. the incident itself. he— ground surrounding this man. the incident itself. he was clearly reiievee— incident itself. he was clearly reiievee ie— incident itself. he was clearly followed to that— incident itself. he was clearly followed to that location in the van was stopped. _ followed to that location in the van was stopped. they've made the van was stopped. they've made ine enesi— van was stopped. they've made ine enesi n— van was stopped. they've made the arrest. if shots— van was stopped. they've made the arrest. if shots were fired 1 ii— the arrest. if shots were fired 1 if inis— the arrest. if shots were fired , if this person— the arrest. if shots were fired , if this person was interested in int-neg— , if this person was interested in intnree1 i— , if this person was interested in injured, i would imagine that ei— in injured, i would imagine that ei inis— in injured, i would imagine that even at this early— in injured, i would imagine that even at this early stage, nottingham— even at this early stage, nottingham police would they venie— nottingham police would they would probably— nottingham police would they would probably have told us that sneis— would probably have told us that sneis nee— would probably have told us that shots had been— would probably have told us that shots had been fired that maybe and shots had been fired that maybe ene eeineiiy— shots had been fired that maybe and actually, as— shots had been fired that maybe and actually, as we heard from our eyewitness _ and actually, as we heard from our eyewitness before, he said he our eyewitness before, he said ne eien-i— our eyewitness before, he said ne eien-i see— our eyewitness before, he said he didn't see any— our eyewitness before, he said he didn't see any ambulances at all he didn't see any ambulances at eii en— he didn't see any ambulances at eii en ine— he didn't see any ambulances at all on the scene— he didn't see any ambulances at all on the scene . _ he didn't see any ambulances at all on the scene . �*vvw�*wi; 7d: all on the scene. we presumed those were bullet marks in the windscreen of the van. but as you say, mark, it might have been batons, baseball bats, because our understanding is that was pulled that when this guy was pulled out the van, he was tasered. out of the van, he was tasered. yeah. so he obviously wasn't shot in the van. yes. i mean, the shot in the van. yes. i mean, ine eense— shot in the van. yes. i mean, the police will— shot in the van. yes. i mean, the police will always- “ yes. i mean, the police will always go for ine— the police will always go for the especially— the police will always go for the especially if— the police will always go for

the especially if they're eeeiing— the especially if they're dealing with— the especially if they're dealing with someone with a knife.— dealing with someone with a knife. ren— dealing with someone with a knife. you know,— dealing with someone with a knife. you know, they'll give inen — knife. you know, they'll give inen ine— knife. you know, they'll give them the benefit of a 50,000 ven— them the benefit of a 50,000 volt electric— them the benefit of a 50,000 volt electric shock rather than a volt electric shock rather than e nnnei— volt electric shock rather than e eniiei 1— volt electric shock rather than a bullet , because— volt electric shock rather than a bullet , because the deadly a bullet, because the deadly inreei— a bullet, because the deadly threat when— a bullet, because the deadly threat when there's a number of reuse— threat when there's a number of police officers— threat when there's a number of police officers who _ threat when there's a number of police officers who are armed , police officers who are armed, vou— police officers who are armed, yen rnev1— police officers who are armed, yen rnev1 ii— police officers who are armed, yen rnev1 ii een— police officers who are armed, you know, it can be a matter of insi— you know, it can be a matter of tnsi e— you know, it can be a matter of tnsi e ireeiien— you know, it can be a matter of just a fraction of— you know, it can be a matter of just a fraction of a— you know, it can be a matter of just a fraction of a second. of course, before _ just a fraction of a second. of course, before that person can reeen — course, before that person can reeen ane— course, before that person can reeen ane ge— course, before that person can react. and go towards the eense.— react. and go towards the eeiiee. eni— react. and go towards the police. but they'll tie the reser— police. but they'll tie the ieser in— police. but they'll tie the taser in the— police. but they'll tie the taser in the first instance. so inei-s— taser in the first instance. so inei-s vnei— taser in the first instance. so that's what just— taser in the first instance. so that's what just makes me think iner— that's what just makes me think inei eernees— that's what just makes me think inei eernees e— that's what just makes me think that perhaps a not— that's what just makes me think that perhaps a not bullet holes, but that perhaps a not bullet holes, in eeneiniy— that perhaps a not bullet holes, but certainly this— that perhaps a not bullet holes, but certainly this is a tried ene— but certainly this is a tried ene iesiee— but certainly this is a tried and tested tactic of this shock ene— and tested tactic of this shock ene ee— and tested tactic of this shock ene ei— and tested tactic of this shock and awe of police— and tested tactic of this shock and awe of police going smashing the windscreen— and awe of police going smashing the windscreen in,— and awe of police going smashing the windscreen in, trying to get someone to comply and they also veni— someone to comply and they also veni ie— someone to comply and they also want to question— someone to comply and they also want to question him. w“/wi;3 want to question him. yes, eeseinreiy. — want to question him. yes, absolutely. that— want to question him. yes, absolutely. that motivation , absolutely. that motivation, because if it is a terror attack, they want to know, is he attack, they want to know, is he a lone wolf? was he working with other people? yeah. and you had a other people? yeah. and you had e inferent— other people? yeah. and you had a different incident— other people? yeah. and you had a different incident that- a different incident that nnreieee— a different incident that unfolded with, for instance , the unfolded with, for instance, the ieneen— unfolded with, for instance, the ieneen nriege— unfolded with, for instance, the london bridge attack in 2017, vnere— london bridge attack in 2017, vnere inese— london bridge attack in 2017, where those three suspects were snei— where those three suspects were snei eeee— where those three suspects were shot dead because— where those three suspects were shot dead because they were veering— shot dead because they were veering rere— shot dead because they were wearing fake suicide bomb vests

and wearing fake suicide bomb vests ene rnnning— wearing fake suicide bomb vests ene rnnning ei— wearing fake suicide bomb vests and running at the— wearing fake suicide bomb vests and running at the police like iner— and running at the police like me .— and running at the police like me . se— and running at the police like me . se iney— and running at the police like that . so they had pre permission that. so they had pre permission to that. so they had pre permission re rere— that. so they had pre permission re iere iner— that. so they had pre permission to take that person— that. so they had pre permission to take that person out and they did to take that person out and they die inei. — to take that person out and they did that. thank— to take that person out and they did that. thank you,- to take that person out and they did that. “?

knotting nottinghamshire constabulary— knotting nottinghamshire constabulary . she's knotting nottinghamshire constabulary. she's made a sieieneni— constabulary. she's made a statement that's fairly swift. its— statement that's fairly swift. ii-s reiriy— statement that's fairly swift. it's fairly clear— statement that's fairly swift. it's fairly clear ,_ statement that's fairly swift. it's fairly clear , it's fairly it's fairly clear, it's fairly unequivocal— it's fairly clear, it's fairly unequivocal from reading her venis— unequivocal from reading her needs 1— unequivocal from reading her needs 1 ii— unequivocal from reading her words , it would— unequivocal from reading her words , it would appear that the words, it would appear that the siineiien— words, it would appear that the situation has— words, it would appear that the situation has been brought under eenirei— situation has been brought under eenirei1— situation has been brought under eenirei 1 ini— situation has been brought under control , but that— situation has been brought under control , but that it— situation has been brought under control , but that it was, of control, but that it was, of course, utterly— control, but that it was, of course, utterly horrific. so so.— course, utterly horrific. so se1 reten— course, utterly horrific. so so, peter, are— course, utterly horrific. so so, peter, are you- course, utterly horrific. so so, peter, are you familiar with this area? i don't know how long your lad's been at uni there. is he a first year student? has he been there? he's— he a first year student? has he been there? he's in— he a first year student? has he been there? he's in his- �*7 : 7 has he been there? he's in his second yeen— been there? he's in his second yeen se— been there? he's in his second yeer. se yes— been there? he's in his second yeer. se yes1vveve— been there? he's in his second year. so yes, we've been to veriingnen— year. so yes, we've been to nottingham on— year. so yes, we've been to nottingham on a number of occasions to— nottingham on a number of occasions to see— nottingham on a number of occasions to see him . and and occasions to see him. and and yen— occasions to see him. and and yen yen— occasions to see him. and and can you are you still there reier— can you are you still there reier . — can you are you still there reier. i— can you are you still there peter. i don't- can you are you still there peter . wiwiw“ c can you are you still there- peter . i don't know whether you peter. i don't know whether you can hear me. yes, i'm. yes, i'm still here and— can hear me. yes, i'm. yes, i'm still here and we've,— wt? /wi;3 yes, i'm still here and we've, we've wt? /w1i;3 yes, i'm still here and we've, we've been to still here and we've, we've been re neiiingnen— still here and we've, we've been to nottingham on— still here and we've, we've been to nottingham on a number of occasions and— to nottingham on a number of occasions and we're fairly reniiier. — occasions and we're fairly reniiier. se— occasions and we're fairly familiar. c familiar. so these areas like ilkeston road, maple street, it looks like it's very much the heart of student land in that particular area. it is. and my wife eeriier— particular area. it is. and my wife earlier on— particular area. it is. and my wife earlier on was- particular area. it is. and my wife earlier on was her- c and my wife earlier on was her voice grieeee— wife earlier on was her voice was gripped by— wife earlier on was her voice was gripped by fear as she neiniee—

was gripped by fear as she eeiniee enn— was gripped by fear as she pointed out, that just a little bit pointed out, that just a little iii evey— pointed out, that just a little bit away from _ pointed out, that just a little bit away from what was being snevn— bit away from what was being snevn en— bit away from what was being shown on the— bit away from what was being shown on the screen was the nense— shown on the screen was the nense vnere — shown on the screen was the house where our— shown on the screen was the house where our our son lives vnn— house where our our son lives viin nis— house where our our son lives with his fellow— house where our our son lives with his fellow students. so it is its— with his fellow students. so it is its very— with his fellow students. so it is it's very much— with his fellow students. so it is it's very much that kind of area where student houses are reniee— area where student houses are reniee ene— area where student houses are rented and occupied by lots of young— rented and occupied by lots of young pimple— rented and occupied by lots of young people studying and enteying— young people studying and enjoying themselves . wtwin?“ young people studying and enjoying themselves . / enjoying themselves. yeah, of its— enjoying themselves. yeah, of ii-s e— enjoying themselves. yeah, of course. it's a town that is very attractive to students. it's got attractive to students. it's got a vibrant nightlife . it's also a vibrant nightlife. it's also not an area necessarily, peter, that you would associate it as being a crime hotspot . not one being a crime hotspot. not one of our sort of midlands towns. you you'd think that do you know what, peter, i'm so sorry to interrupt you. listen, we hope you get some. some news from your son this morning and let us know. peter, hopefully when you get know. peter, hopefully when you gei ine— know. peter, hopefully when you get rne geee— know. peter, hopefully when you get the good news,— peter, hopefully when you get the good news, everything's fine.— get the good news, everything's fine. reen — get the good news, everything's fine. reen >— get the good news, everything's fine. yeah > keep— get the good news, everything's fine. yeah 1» c.3 get the good news, everything's fine. yeah 1» : fine. yeah > keep us posted, won't you very much won't you? thank you very much for us, will hollis is forjoining us, will hollis is joining now, believe will, joining us now, i believe will, that in nottingham . good that you are in nottingham. good morning, ben . good morning, morning, ben. good morning, will. good morning . what can you

will. good morning. what can you tell will. good morning. what can you ieii nse— will. good morning. what can you ieii nse res— will. good morning. what can you tell us? yes, well,— will. good morning. what can you tell us? yes, well, you— �*vvw�* cc good morning. what can you tell us? yes, well, you can see you— tell us? yes, well, you can see yen een— tell us? yes, well, you can see you can see the— tell us? yes, well, you can see you can see the police presence eenine— you can see the police presence nenine ne— you can see the police presence nenine ii— you can see the police presence behind me. if i— you can see the police presence behind me. if i just— you can see the police presence behind me. if i just step to the sine. — behind me. if i just step to the site. were— behind me. if i just step to the site. were in— behind me. if i just step to the side. we're in nottingham city centre— side. we're in nottingham city cenire igni— side. we're in nottingham city centre right now.— side. we're in nottingham city centre right now. this is one of neny— centre right now. this is one of neny seeens— centre right now. this is one of many cordons that— centre right now. this is one of many cordons that is in place in the many cordons that is in place in ine siiy— many cordons that is in place in rne siiy reeey. — many cordons that is in place in the city today. this— many cordons that is in place in the city today. this particular is— the city today. this particular one is milton— the city today. this particular one is milton street, but you've insi— one is milton street, but you've inst-inking— one is milton street, but you've just talking ilkeston just been talking about ilkeston iseee— just been talking about ilkeston need-es— just been talking about ilkeston road-as various- just been talking about ilkeston road as various other road as well as various other seens— road as well as various other reees iner— road as well as various other roads that have— road as well as various other roads that have been closed in ene— roads that have been closed in end eni— roads that have been closed in end eni ei— roads that have been closed in and out of the— roads that have been closed in and out of the city. the latest iner— and out of the city. the latest inei vvee— and out of the city. the latest that we're hearing from police signi— that we're hearing from police rigni nev— that we're hearing from police rigni is— that we're hearing from police right now is that— that we're hearing from police right now is that a 31 year old nes— right now is that a 31 year old man has been— right now is that a 31 year old man has been arrested on snseisien— man has been arrested on snseisien ei— man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after three eeeeie— suspicion of murder after three eeeeie vee— suspicion of murder after three people were found dead in the siiy. — people were found dead in the siiy. ren— people were found dead in the siry. vev1inis— people were found dead in the city. now, this is— people were found dead in the city. now, this is very much a new statement— city. now, this is very much a new statement .— city. now, this is very much a new statement . it- city. now, this is very much a new statement . it just came out new statement. it just came out viinin— new statement. it just came out viinin ine— new statement. it just came out within the last— new statement. it just came out within the last 10— new statement. it just came out within the last 10 to 20 minutes ener— within the last 10 to 20 minutes eiier. vines-s— within the last 10 to 20 minutes after. what's been— within the last 10 to 20 minutes after. what's been quite a worrisome time- after. what's been quite a worrisome time for people living nere— worrisome time for people living nere in— worrisome time for people living nere in ine— worrisome time for people living here in the city— worrisome time for people living here in the city centre with a lot here in the city centre with a iei er— here in the city centre with a iei er neeie— here in the city centre with a lot of media attention as well as lot of media attention as well es e iei— lot of media attention as well es e iei er— lot of media attention as well as a lot of interest in what's been— as a lot of interest in what's been geing— as a lot of interest in what's been geing en— as a lot of interest in what's been going on here. the very iesiss— been going on here. the very iesiss iner— been going on here. the very basics that we— been going on here. the very basics that we can talk about signi— basics that we can talk about rigni nev— basics that we can talk about rigni er— basics that we can talk about right now or that— basics that we can talk about right now or that the 31 year ere— right now or that the 31 year eie nen— right now or that the 31 year eie nes— right now or that the 31 year old man has been arrested on snseisien— old man has been arrested on snseisien er— old man has been arrested on

suspicion of murder. just reeeing— suspicion of murder. just reading from _ suspicion of murder. just reading from this police statement,— reading from this police statement, they've said that eense— statement, they've said that eeiise — statement, they've said that police were called to ilkeston iseee— police were called to ilkeston iseee insi— police were called to ilkeston road just after— police were called to ilkeston road just after 4— police were called to ilkeston road just after 4 a.m. where two neeeie— road just after 4 a.m. where two eeeeie vee— road just after 4 a.m. where two people were found— road just after 4 a.m. where two people were found dead in the street — people were found dead in the street. officers— people were found dead in the street. officers were then seiiee— street. officers were then seiiee re — street. officers were then called to another incident in iiiiien— called to another incident in milton street. _ called to another incident in milton street. that's where i'm sending— milton street. that's where i'm sieneing signi— milton street. that's where i'm standing right now, where a man had standing right now, where a man nee eiieneiee— standing right now, where a man had attempted to— standing right now, where a man had attempted to run over three eeeeie— had attempted to run over three eeeeie inese— had attempted to run over three people there currently being ireeiee— people there currently being ireeiee in— people there currently being treated in hospital. a man has eise— treated in hospital. a man has eise teen— treated in hospital. a man has also been found— treated in hospital. a man has also been found dead in magdala seei— also been found dead in magdala iseee1vnisn— also been found dead in magdala iseee1vnisn is— also been found dead in magdala road, which is another area vnere— road, which is another area vnere inese— road, which is another area where there is— road, which is another area where there is a— road, which is another area where there is a police cordon signi— where there is a police cordon rigni nev— where there is a police cordon rigni insi— where there is a police cordon right now. just reading from the snier— right now. just reading from the chief constable's_ right now. just reading from the chief constable's statement, keie— chief constable's statement, veie iieyneii1— chief constable's statement, kate meynell, she said this is a neniiis1— kate meynell, she said this is a horrific, tragic— kate meynell, she said this is a horrific, tragic incident which nes— horrific, tragic incident which has claimed— horrific, tragic incident which has claimed the— horrific, tragic incident which has claimed the lives of three eeeeie— has claimed the lives of three eeeeie. vve— has claimed the lives of three people. we believe these insieenis— people. we believe these incidents are _ people. we believe these incidents are all linked and we neve— incidents are all linked and we neve e— incidents are all linked and we neve e in— incidents are all linked and we have a man in custody. this investigation— have a man in custody. this investigation is— have a man in custody. this investigation is at its early sieges— investigation is at its early sieges es— investigation is at its early stages as and— investigation is at its early stages as and a- investigation is at its early stages as and a team of detectives— stages as and a team of detectives is— stages as and a team of detectives is working to esieiiisn — detectives is working to establish exactly what happened. we esr— establish exactly what happened. we esr ine— establish exactly what happened. we ask the public— establish exactly what happened. we ask the public to be patient vniie— we ask the public to be patient while enquiries— we ask the public to be patient while enquiries continue. at inis— while enquiries continue. at inisiine1— while enquiries continue. at inis iine1 e— while enquiries continue. at this time, a number of roads in the this time, a number of roads in ine siiy— this time, a number of roads in ine siiy viii— this time, a number of roads in the city will remain closed as ine— the city will remain closed as the investigation— the city will remain closed as the investigation progress as inis— the investigation progress as inis reeiiy— the investigation progress as this really is,—

the investigation progress as this really is, the heart of the siiy. — this really is, the heart of the siiy. inis— this really is, the heart of the siry. inis is— this really is, the heart of the city. this is actually one of ine— city. this is actually one of the busiest— city. this is actually one of the busiest roads leading in and out the busiest roads leading in and eni er— the busiest roads leading in and eni er ine— the busiest roads leading in and eni er ine siiy— the busiest roads leading in and out of the city. it's— the busiest roads leading in and out of the city. it's a road seiiee— out of the city. it's a road called mansfield road because it sennessi ie— called mansfield road because it connects to possibly the biggest sewn— connects to possibly the biggest ievn 1— connects to possibly the biggest ievn 1 insi— connects to possibly the biggest town , just about— connects to possibly the biggest town , just about 30 or so miles town, just about 30 or so miles evey— town, just about 30 or so miles evey nen — town, just about 30 or so miles away from here. _ town, just about 30 or so miles away from here. mansfield so reis— away from here. mansfield so ieis er— away from here. mansfield so ieis er eeeeie— away from here. mansfield so lots of people use this route for lots of people use this route ier ine— lots of people use this route for the buses.— lots of people use this route for the buses. they've been severeiy— for the buses. they've been severely disrupted. this nerning— severely disrupted. this morning. but- severely disrupted. this morning. but of course the trams morning. but of course the trains as morning. but of course the trams es veri— morning. but of course the trams es veii nere— morning. but of course the trams as well here in— morning. but of course the trams as well here in nottingham, neiiingnen— as well here in nottingham, nottingham express transit has sein— nottingham express transit has seie iner— nottingham express transit has said that there's— nottingham express transit has said that there's been major eisrneiien— said that there's been major disruption on— said that there's been major disruption on the trams today eense— disruption on the trams today nense ei— disruption on the trams today because of this— disruption on the trams today because of this incident, eense— because of this incident, because there - because of this incident, because there are so many points of because there are so many points er resns— because there are so many points er iesns nee— because there are so many points of focus here today— because there are so many points of focus here today with this engeing— of focus here today with this ongoing incident that police are eessriiing— ongoing incident that police are eessriiing es— ongoing incident that police are describing as a— ongoing incident that police are describing as a serious insistent.— describing as a serious incident. will we know he's 31? do incident. will we know he's 31? de ve— incident. will we know he's 31? is we snev— incident. will we know he's 31? do we know anything— incident. will we know he's 31? do we know anything else- incident. will we know he's 31? do we know anything else about the man who's in custody ? we . the man who's in custody? we. that's really all we're being told right now from police and official sources that there are, official sources that there are, of course, videos and eyewitness statements. but right now, what being— statements. but right now, what we're being told— statements. but right now, what we're being told by— but right now, what we're being told by the police is iner— we're being told by the police is me e— we're being told by the police is me e si— we're being told by the police is that a 31 year— we're being told by the police is that a 31 year old man has been— is that a 31 year old man has been arrested— is that a 31 year old man has been arrested on— is that a 31 year old man has been arrested on on suspicion of

rnnrree— been arrested on on suspicion of rnnrree ener— been arrested on on suspicion of murder after three— been arrested on on suspicion of murder after three people were renne— murder after three people were sent eeee— murder after three people were found dead in— murder after three people were found dead in the— murder after three people were found dead in the city. and snee— found dead in the city. and three fatalities. t “g three fatalities. shocking for news people waking up to hear this. well, do we know anything about the victims as. unfortunately, no. this is still a very unfortunately, no. this is still every eeriy— this is still a very early investigation that eeiesiives— a very early investigation that detectives from _ a very early investigation that detectives from nottinghamshire eense— detectives from nottinghamshire eeiise ee— detectives from nottinghamshire police are working on. there is a police are working on. there is e iei— police are working on. there is e iei er— police are working on. there is a lot of media— police are working on. there is a lot of media attention . there a lot of media attention. there is e— a lot of media attention. there is e iei— a lot of media attention. there is e iei er— a lot of media attention. there is a lot of interest— a lot of media attention. there is a lot of interest from the tennis.— is a lot of interest from the tennis. ren— is a lot of interest from the public. you might even see them genesi— public. you might even see them dotted around— public. you might even see them dotted around behind us. but as to dotted around behind us. but as re vnei— dotted around behind us. but as re vnei i-ve— dotted around behind us. but as to what i've seen— dotted around behind us. but as to what i've seen so far this nerning— to what i've seen so far this nerning 1— to what i've seen so far this nerning 1 we— to what i've seen so far this morning , we don't know anything morning, we don't know anything esens— morning, we don't know anything eieni ine— morning, we don't know anything about the victims— morning, we don't know anything about the victims and we don't rnev— about the victims and we don't rnev enyining— about the victims and we don't know anything about who might neve—snnesl know anything about who might. have _crimes. and have committed these crimes. and are have committed these crimes. and ere—sini— have committed these crimes. and ere—siiii very- have committed these crimes. and are—still very quiet- are the streets still very quiet vnere— are the streets still very quiet vnere yen— are the streets still very quiet where you are?— are the streets still very quiet where you are? _ are the streets still very quiet where you are? �*vvw�* cc7 well, where you are? will? well, veriingnen— where you are? will? well, nottingham is— where you are? will? well, nottingham is a— where you are? �*vvw�* cc7 well, nottingham is a bustling metropolitan— nottingham is a bustling metropolitan city. it's a city of metropolitan city. it's a city er eense— metropolitan city. it's a city of around 300,000 thousand eeeeie— of around 300,000 thousand eeeeie er— of around 300,000 thousand eeeeie er se— of around 300,000 thousand people or so. lots of people iive— people or so. lots of people iive ene— people or so. lots of people live and work— people or so. lots of people live and work in— people or so. lots of people live and work in the city. they eise— live and work in the city. they eise in— live and work in the city. they also come in to— live and work in the city. they also come in to the city from snnenneing— also come in to the city from surrounding towns and neighbourhoods to come in here. inis— neighbourhoods to come in here. inis sneer— neighbourhoods to come in here. this street would— neighbourhoods to come in here. this street would usually have reis— this street would usually have ieis ei— this street would usually have ieis er eeeeie—

this street would usually have lots of people going up back and renn— lots of people going up back and resin. en— lots of people going up back and resin. on my— lots of people going up back and forth. on my left— lots of people going up back and forth. on my left hand side is veriingnen-s— forth. on my left hand side is nottingham's victoria centre . it nottingham's victoria centre. it nsee— nottingham's victoria centre. it nsee ie— nottingham's victoria centre. it nsee re ie— nottingham's victoria centre. it used to be the— nottingham's victoria centre. it used to be the train station neny— used to be the train station neny yeers— used to be the train station neny yeers ege.— used to be the train station many years ago. lots of people iner— many years ago. lots of people inei ee— many years ago. lots of people that are watching— many years ago. lots of people that are watching might remember sening— that are watching might remember sening inte— that are watching might remember coming into nottingham on the old coming into nottingham on the en rein— coming into nottingham on the old train station. _ coming into nottingham on the old train station. so this is seen— old train station. so this is reeiiyline— old train station. so this is really .the -of- old train station. so this is really the of the old train station. so this is. really .the -of the city. really is the heart of the city. ever— really is the heart of the city. ever en— really is the heart of the city. ever en ny— really is the heart of the city. over on my right— really is the heart of the city. over on my right hand side, for eveneie— over on my right hand side, for eveneie ir— over on my right hand side, for eveneie ir yen— over on my right hand side, for example, if you walked up the sneer— example, if you walked up the street rer— example, if you walked up the street for five _ example, if you walked up the street for five minutes you'd be at street for five minutes you'd be er veriingnen— street for five minutes you'd be at nottingham. trent university vnere— at nottingham. trent university vnere e— at nottingham. trent university where a 10,000,— at nottingham. trent university where a 10,000, 20,000 students spend— where a 10,000, 20,000 students spend ineir— where a 10,000, 20,000 students spend their time.— where a 10,000, 20,000 students spend their time. as— where a 10,000, 20,000 students spend their time. as you mentioned— spend their time. as you mentioned earlier , speaking to mentioned earlier, speaking to yenr— mentioned earlier, speaking to yenr ereviens— mentioned earlier, speaking to your previous guest as as well, inis— your previous guest as as well, inis is— your previous guest as as well, inis is ine— your previous guest as as well, this is the heart— your previous guest as as well, this is the heart of— your previous guest as as well, this is the heart of student ieniiery— this is the heart of student territory here— this is the heart of student territory here in— this is the heart of student territory here in nottingham. if you go— territory here in nottingham. if yen ge e— territory here in nottingham. if yen ge e nie— territory here in nottingham. if yen ge e niie in— territory here in nottingham. if you go a mile in any direction enisiee— you go a mile in any direction enisiee ei— you go a mile in any direction outside of where— you go a mile in any direction outside of where we are right yen-ii— outside of where we are right now, you'll find— outside of where we are right now, you'll find student flats ene— now, you'll find student flats ene yen-ii— now, you'll find student flats and you'll find— now, you'll find student flats and you'll find lots of people iner— and you'll find lots of people inei ge— and you'll find lots of people inei ge eieni— and you'll find lots of people that go about their business enteying— that go about their business enjoying nottingham as a city as veii— enjoying nottingham as a city as veii es— enjoying nottingham as a city as veii es enteying— enjoying nottingham as a city as well as enjoying the benefits of iiving — well as enjoying the benefits of iiving in— well as enjoying the benefits of iiving in e— well as enjoying the benefits of living in a student— well as enjoying the benefits of living in a student city. so it is-insy— living in a student city. so it is busy. normally is very busy. normally i venien-i— is very busy. normally i wouldn't say— is very busy. normally i wouldn't say that it's a seneieie— wouldn't say that it's a complete ghost town as such signi— complete ghost town as such rigni nev— complete ghost town as such rigni .— complete ghost town as such rigni . ii— complete ghost town as such right now . if you— complete ghost town as such right now . if you maybe walked right now. if you maybe walked 20 ie— right now. if you maybe walked 20 re sen — right now. if you maybe walked 20 re sen ie— right now. if you maybe walked 20 to 30m to a— right now. if you maybe walked 20 to 30m to a part of the city vnere— 20 to 30m to a part of the city vnere ine— 20 to 30m to a part of the city where the routes— 20 to 30m to a part of the city where the routes are still open, enses— where the routes are still open, buses are still— where the routes are still open, buses are still finding their

way— buses are still finding their vey in— buses are still finding their vey in ene— buses are still finding their way in and out— buses are still finding their way in and out of the city, but it way in and out of the city, but is sees— way in and out of the city, but is ie— way in and out of the city, but it seems to be— way in and out of the city, but it seems to be having a massive erresi— it seems to be having a massive erresi ene— it seems to be having a massive effect and it's— it seems to be having a massive effect and it's gaining a major interest— effect and it's gaining a major interest from _ effect and it's gaining a major interest from the— effect and it's gaining a major interest from the national media as interest from the national media es veii. — interest from the national media es veii. vveii— interest from the national media as well. well we've— interest from the national media as well. well we've had mark vvniie— as well. well we've had mark vvniie in— as well. well we've had mark vvniie in ine— as well. well we've had mark white in the studio earlier and erien— white in the studio earlier and we've often spoken to him about senniy— we've often spoken to him about senniy iines— we've often spoken to him about senniy iines 1— we've often spoken to him about county lines , drug— we've often spoken to him about county lines , drug gang issues county lines, drug gang issues in veiens— county lines, drug gang issues in various cities,— county lines, drug gang issues in various cities, particular in ieneen. — in various cities, particular in ieneen. ne— in various cities, particular in ieneen. i>e yen— in various cities, particular in london. “jwiw : london. do you have any idea whether nottingham has a similar sort of problem . well nottingham sort of problem. well nottingham is a midlands city. it is right at the is a midlands city. it is right ei ine neen— is a midlands city. it is right at the heart of— is a midlands city. it is right at the heart of the- .jw�*i :: c car it is right at the heart of the country. so ine— at the heart of the country. so ine eense— at the heart of the country. so rne eeiise ee— at the heart of the country. so the police do pay— at the heart of the country. so the police do pay particular eiieniien— the police do pay particular attention to— the police do pay particular attention to those forms of iney— attention to those forms of crime. they do— attention to those forms of crime. they do have a teams that veer— crime. they do have a teams that week eiresiiy— crime. they do have a teams that work directly with— crime. they do have a teams that work directly with young people nee— work directly with young people nere in— work directly with young people nere in ine— work directly with young people here in the city— work directly with young people here in the city and keep a siese— here in the city and keep a siese eye— here in the city and keep a siese eye en— here in the city and keep a close eye on what's going on vnn— close eye on what's going on viin inese— close eye on what's going on with those sorts— close eye on what's going on with those sorts of things. but in reieiien— with those sorts of things. but in relation to— with those sorts of things. but in relation to this— with those sorts of things. but in relation to this one incident in relation to this one incident in eenisnien— in relation to this one incident in particular, they— in relation to this one incident in particular, they haven't made any in particular, they haven't made eny sen— in particular, they haven't made eny sen ei— in particular, they haven't made any sort of connection as to why inis— any sort of connection as to why inis insieeni— any sort of connection as to why this incident might— any sort of connection as to why this incident might have neeeenee— this incident might have happened. but they have announced— happened. but they have announced quite recently that snee— announced quite recently that rnree eeeeie— announced quite recently that three people have died in the

siiy— three people have died in the siiy ene— three people have died in the siiy ene iney— three people have died in the city and they have announced iner— city and they have announced inei e— city and they have announced inei e resen— city and they have announced that a person has— city and they have announced that a person has been arrested on that a person has been arrested en snseisien— that a person has been arrested on suspicion of— that a person has been arrested on suspicion of murder. that a person has been arrested on suspicion of murder . �*vai�* cc on suspicion of murder. will eense— on suspicion of murder. will eeiise sey— on suspicion of murder. will eeiise sey sney— on suspicion of murder. will police say they were called after 4 a.m. where two people were found dead in the street. then they were called to another incident a mile away where a van had attempted to run over three people. now, those three people are currently treated in are currently being treated in hospital. we know anything hospital. do we know anything about condition . hospital. do we know anything about condition. it's hospital. do we know anything about condition . it's not about their condition. it's not something that— about their condition. it's not something that the- 1 t: c wiw1“ it's not something that the media has been— something that the media has been rein— something that the media has been told about— something that the media has been told about officially by eense.— been told about officially by eeiise. isigni— been told about officially by police. right now. this is still very— police. right now. this is still very nnsn— police. right now. this is still very nnsn en— police. right now. this is still very much an ongoing and active iney— very much an ongoing and active iney sey— very much an ongoing and active case. they say that— very much an ongoing and active case. they say that in a police sieieneni— case. they say that in a police statement that— case. they say that in a police statement that the detectives are statement that the detectives ieering — statement that the detectives are looking into— statement that the detectives are looking into this right now ene— are looking into this right now end is— are looking into this right now end is is— are looking into this right now end is is e— are looking into this right now and it is a serious— are looking into this right now and it is a serious incident iner— and it is a serious incident inei iney-re— and it is a serious incident that they're describing , but it that they're describing, but it is siiii— that they're describing, but it is siiii very— that they're describing, but it is still very much at the eeveieeing— is still very much at the developing stages. so while inese-ii— developing stages. so while inese-ii ie— developing stages. so while there'll be lots— developing stages. so while there'll be lots of media interest— there'll be lots of media interest and— there'll be lots of media interest and interest from the enens— interest and interest from the public,iimagine_ public, i imagine nottinghamshire police will public, i imagine— nottinghamshire police will be esring— nottinghamshire police will be esring-ie— nottinghamshire police will be esring-ie give- nottinghamshire police will be asking to give them the asking people to give them the seese— asking people to give them the seese ie— asking people to give them the seese re fine— asking people to give them the space to find out— asking people to give them the space to find out exactly what nes— space to find out exactly what nes neeeenee— space to find out exactly what has happened here. okay. if yne— has happened here. okay. if you're listening— has happened here. okay. if you're listening on the radio, iering— you're listening on the radio, we're taking it— you're listening on the radio, we're taking it for granted eense— we're taking it for granted because we've— we're taking it for granted because we've been looking at

inis— because we've been looking at inis ieeiege— because we've been looking at this footage all— because we've been looking at this footage all morning. �*7 this footage all morning. but if you this footage all morning. but if yen ere— this footage all morning. but if yen snning— this footage all morning. but if you are tuning in,— this footage all morning. but if you are tuning in, in your car or your kitchen, what we're looking at is some rather looking at here is some rather clear, but handheld phone footage, of course, from a mobile phone . it looks like it's mobile phone. it looks like it's taken from an upstairs window looking down onto the road. the scaffolding , which slightly scaffolding, which slightly obscures the view of what is happening. but there are clearly two police officers holding somebody on the ground, a third police officer moves in and out of shot. and we believe this is the van that the gentleman was dragged out of. i use that word probably in a more appropriate one, was dragged out of there are two quite clear signs of impact on the windscreen of the van where we thought initially maybe they were bullet marks because there were definitely armed police on the scene . but armed police on the scene. but now, having discussed it with mark white, we wonder whether they were more baseball bat or batus effectively. andrew yeah, exactly. let's batus effectively. andrew yeah, exactly . let's bring peter exactly. let's bring peter niersiey— exactly. let's bring peter bleksley back— exactly. let's bring peter bleksley back in- wi;,>s

refer— former police detective. yes, i am. peter seeing— former police detective. yes, i am. peter seeing those police officers going for that man, he could have still been carrying that knife. it just shows what a reeriess— that knife. it just shows what a ieeriess tee— that knife. it just shows what a fearless job police _ ”wi; it just shows what a fearless job police officers do for fearless job police officers do ier ns— fearless job police officers do ier ns eii— fearless job police officers do for us all the— fearless job police officers do for us all the time . 1“wi;twi; 1?twi; for us all the time. there are three— for us all the time. there are three things you need to be a competent police officer. top of that list is courage . and that list is courage. and clearly those officers there are displaying courage. the like of which i guess we're probably very grateful we don't have to go out onto the streets and tackle these sorts of people. i'm certainly very glad that my arresting people days are long behind me. and we arresting people days are long behind me . and we understand behind me. and we understand nen— behind me. and we understand nen ine— behind me. and we understand from the eyewitness— ziw1i;1“ “w: and we understand from the eyewitness who we spoke to from the eyewitness who we spoke re eeriier— from the eyewitness who we spoke re eeriier iner— from the eyewitness who we spoke to earlier that they— from the eyewitness who we spoke to earlier that they retrieved a knife— to earlier that they retrieved a knife ine— to earlier that they retrieved a knife the size— to earlier that they retrieved a knife the size of— to earlier that they retrieved a knife the size of a— to earlier that they retrieved a knife the size of a piece of a4 paper— knife the size of a piece of a4 eeeer nen — knife the size of a piece of a4 eeeer nen ine— knife the size of a piece of a4 paper from the van excuse me. visu— paper from the van excuse me. vieii .— paper from the van excuse me. vieii 1 snee— paper from the van excuse me. well , that doesn't— paper from the van excuse me. well , that doesn't surprise- paper from the van excuse me. well , that doesn't surprise me . well, that doesn't surprise me. we'll have to see. i'm sure the police will make us aware of any evidence they've seized as soon as they possibly can. but just imagine, at around 4:00 or 5:00, when this situation was unfolding, a messages are coming in on police radios and they

really don't know what situations they're taking themselves into. that's the kind of courage required to be a frontline police officer . we're frontline police officer. we're very grateful that people do that and we're lucky to have them . and policing is, of them. and policing is, of course, far from perfect and very much under scrutiny these days, and rightfully so . but it days, and rightfully so. but it would appear here that we've had we've had examples of absolute courage , bravery and something courage, bravery and something we should all salute and be very grateful for. absolutely. peter you mentioned— g absolutely. peter you mentioned earlier people nigni— you mentioned earlier people nigni insi— you mentioned earlier people nigni tnsi ie— you mentioned earlier people might just be tuning in that you neve— might just be tuning in that you neve e— might just be tuning in that you have a son who's— might just be tuning in that you have a son who's the second year sineeni— have a son who's the second year sineeni ei— have a son who's the second year student at nottingham university and student at nottingham university ene iives— student at nottingham university ene iives in— student at nottingham university and lives in this— student at nottingham university and lives in this particular vvenie— and lives in this particular area. would you expect under inese— area. would you expect under these circumstances to have a sieieneni— these circumstances to have a statement from _ these circumstances to have a statement from the university ene— statement from the university ene ine— statement from the university and the colleges— statement from the university and the colleges there this nerning— and the colleges there this nerning e — and the colleges there this morning ? well,- and the colleges there this morning ? �*vaiicc c1“wi;twi; and the colleges there this morning ? �*1viwi;cc c1“wi;twi; and the colleges there this- morning ? well, there's two major morning? well, there's two major university is in the great city of nottingham. the university of nottingham, and trent us motty. i'm sure that they are going to be extremely busy this morning trying to establish the whereabouts and checking up on the welfare of their students.

we will of course at some stage be made aware of whom these unfortunate victims are of this horrendous event. this morning, my thoughts go out to everybody that's affected by it. all those people who are perhaps behind their front doors, terrified to go out into their city. this morning i'm in a hotel. go out into their city. this morning i'm in a hotel . well, i morning i'm in a hotel. well, i was going to be celebrating my wedding anniversary, my wife today. wedding anniversary, my wife today . instead, i'm talking to today. instead, i'm talking to you while my wife is outside frantically trying to raise our youngest son in the hope that he and his friends are okay. but of course, tragically, some lives will have been absolutely devastated by these events. we so often talk about the numbers of people killed. well, i always think about the people behind those numbers, the loved ones , those numbers, the loved ones, the parents, the children's , the the parents, the children's, the siblings, the friends , the siblings, the friends, the neighbours, all those lives that are tragically affected forever , either by things like this .

, either by things like this. and quite frankly, some people just never get over it as people might clumsily say, they learn to live with the trauma, live with the loss, and just simply so they can put one foot in front of the other for the rest of their lives. yeah. and peter, iner— of their lives. yeah. and peter, that experience _ of their lives. yeah. and peter, that experience that— . c yeah. and peter, that experience that you're yne— that experience that you're ye geing— that experience that you're you're going through and your wife— you're going through and your wife is— you're going through and your wife is geing— you're going through and your wife is going through is sadly going— wife is going through is sadly geing-en— wife is going through is sadly going an experience for going to be an experience for inensenes— going to be an experience for thousands-other- going to be an experience for thousands otherfamilies thousands of other families eense— thousands of other families because as you _ thousands of other families because as you point out, inese-s— because as you point out, there's, what,— because as you point out, there's, what, ten, 20,000 sineenis— there's, what, ten, 20,000 students nottingham? yeah students in nottingham? yeah it's students in nottingham? yeah its iergeiy— students in nottingham? yeah its iergeiy e— students in nottingham? yeah it's largely a university city. so it's largely a university city. se neny— it's largely a university city. so many businesses.- it's largely a university city. so many businesses. absolutely thrive. and in fact survive because of the students and business that they benefit from. it really is a great place to study and a great place to go and enjoy yourself. hence our son chose it and he had many offers and many opportunities to go elsewhere. he made a wise decision. we've seen how much he and his friends have enjoyed themselves in this great city. and i'm sure that when the police investigation has been

completed and when life gently and eventually goes back to normal, that it will once again be a great place to study . but a be a great place to study. but a point that bev was talking about earlier, it's about 20 years ago since nottingham had the very unfortunate nickname of nottingham because it had a lot of gun crime , as did many other of gun crime, as did many other cities in the uk about 20 years ago. but one particular man was arrested and a family taken out of circulation in nottingham all those years ago and the gun crime rate dropped dramatically and it still is in my experience . s a great place to live, a great place to work. a great place to play. yeah okay. peter yeah, place to play. yeah okay. peter reen1vve— place to play. yeah okay. peter reen1ve— place to play. yeah okay. peter yeah, we, we spoke— place to play. yeah okay. peter yeah, we, we spoke to- t w“/wi;1? 1“ okay. peter yeah, we, we spoke to the eye viiness— yeah, we, we spoke to the eye witness earlier. _ yeah, we, we spoke to the eye witness earlier. i— yeah, we, we spoke to the eye witness earlier. t 1“ witness earlier. i think we can actually now who sent us incredible footage of what clearly is the suspect being apprehended, arrested , and he apprehended, arrested, and he was tasered by the police . i was tasered by the police. i think we can now actually see our eye witness talking to us. i think we can morning about 530

in the morning to what sounded like gunshots. and we ran to the vineev— like gunshots. and we ran to the vineev ene— like gunshots. and we ran to the window and there— like gunshots. and we ran to the window and there was— c qc. and we ran to the window and there was armed eense— window and there was armed eeiise rnnning— window and there was armed police running out of what ieeree— police running out of what looked like— police running out of what looked like an— police running out of what looked like an undercover car. ane— looked like an undercover car. and inen— looked like an undercover car. and inen ine— looked like an undercover car. and then the suspect, sevilla, in— and then the suspect, sevilla, in ine— and then the suspect, sevilla, was in the van— and then the suspect, sevilla, was in the van and then tasered ene— was in the van and then tasered ene ereggee— was in the van and then tasered ene ereggee eni— was in the van and then tasered and dragged out by them. and inen— and dragged out by them. and inen reser— and dragged out by them. and then later arrested . mun then later arrested. right. orey. — then later arrested. right. orey. nie— then later arrested. right. okay. did you . we were we okay. did you. we were we understood that shots had been heard towards the van. is that what you heard or what was the. yeah, so that's what initially were— yeah, so that's what initially vere ns— yeah, so that's what initially vere ns nn— yeah, so that's what initially vere ns no is— yeah, so that's what initially woke us up. it didn't we didn't esineiiy— woke us up. it didn't we didn't esineiiy see— woke us up. it didn't we didn't actually see any— woke us up. it didn't we didn't actually see any gunshots or enyrning1— actually see any gunshots or enyining1 eni— actually see any gunshots or anything, but certainly sounded like anything, but certainly sounded ire—ine— anything, but certainly sounded like—the glass- anything, but certainly sounded like the glass was all like them. and the glass was all snesnee— like them. and the glass was all snesnee-in— like them. and the glass was all smashed-in the- like them. and the glass was all smashed in the van. smashed in the in the van. so snee— smashed in the in the van. so rner ves— smashed in the in the van. so rner en— smashed in the in the van. so that was an eyewitness- smashed in the in the van. so that was an eyewitness who spoke exclusively to gb news on breakfast this morning . and breakfast this morning. and video sent the video that we're seeing here. as he said, he lived in this particular area. this is obviously his bedroom. it was a crack of dawn. of course, when this was unfolding . he took this footage of three police officers, another one just out of shot holding a guy down on the floor who has been

dragged from the van and as he said, they opened a bag from the van and there was a knife in there, which he described the there, which he described as the size a4 piece of paper, size of an a4 piece of paper, which i think is about 30 centimetre, isn't it? yeah not insignificant of violence insignificant piece of violence apparatus. what we do know now, 4:00 in the morning, two people were found dead in ilkeston road in nottingham. student area. a little while later on milton street , a van tried to run down street, a van tried to run down three people. we know that they are now in hospital and then on magdalen road, one other man was found dead . we do not know found dead. we do not know anything at the moment about the identities of those particular people, but we do know that the man who's been arrested is a 31 year old male . well, let's get year old male. well, let's get nesr— year old male. well, let's get eesr ie— year old male. well, let's get eesr re viii— year old male. well, let's get back to will hollis,- wiwa: well, let's get back to will hollis, who's there for back to will hollis, who's there ier ns— back to will hollis, who's there ier ns in— back to will hollis, who's there for us in nottingham. will can you— for us in nottingham. will can yen neeeie— for us in nottingham. will can yen neeeie nse— for us in nottingham. will can you update us? what's happening 7 you update us? what's happening eves.— you update us? what's happening eves. vveii— you update us? what's happening ? yes. well here— you update us? what's happening ? yes. well here in— you update us? what's happening ? yes. well here in nottingham vou— ? yes. well here in nottingham yen sen— ? yes. well here in nottingham yen insi— ? yes. well here in nottingham yen tnsi see— ? yes. well here in nottingham you can just see the police

seeen— you can just see the police seeen rer— you can just see the police cordon for milton street. wii; ”iii: cordon for milton street. we're reining— cordon for milton street. we're seiring enenr— cordon for milton street. we're talking about a— cordon for milton street. we're talking about a lot of locations because this isn't just one specific incident . there are a specific incident. there are a number of police cordons in the city centre as well as just outside of the city centre. you can probably see in the background there are a couple of police cars as well as different sections of the police cordon here on milton street just for where we are . for reference from where we are. for reference from people that don't necessarily know nottingham city centre perfectly, this is where victoria centre is, so that's a bustling shopping hub. nottingham is often described as the jewel in the crown of nottingham shopping scene, so people from outside of the city and the midlands will come for here their shopping. lots of people will also come here because they work in the city centre and those people will have had quite have probably had quite a difficult time getting into work today all those today because of all those police cordons. nottingham express has said that express transit has said that there's been disruption on the trams, so has nottingham city transport, which manages the

buses and most of the main routes in and out of this city have been severely affected by this serious incident, which is what the police are describing at describing it as the last update that we had from the police is that a 31 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after three people were found dead in the city. this is still very early , but this is still very early, but what we're hearing from chief constable kate maynard from nottinghamshire police , in nottinghamshire police, in a statement, she said that this is an horrific and tragic incident that has claimed the lives of three people. we believe these three people. we believe these three incidents are all linked . three incidents are all linked. and we have a man in custody . and we have a man in custody. this investigation is at its early stages and a team of detectives is working to establish exactly what has happened. we ask the public to be patient while enquiries continue, and she adds , at this continue, and she adds, at this time a number of roads in the city will remain closed as this

investigation proceeds . all investigation proceeds. all right, that's will 1“ . g?c 1“ t: all right, that's will hollis, the ieienr— right, that's will hollis, the labour leader,— right, that's will hollis, the labour leader, keir starmer's, issnee— labour leader, keir starmer's, issnee e— labour leader, keir starmer's, issued a short— labour leader, keir starmer's, issued a short statement. well, i issued a short statement. well, i ininr— issued a short statement. well, iininr ne-s— issued a short statement. well, i think he's spoken to the regeners— i think he's spoken to the regeners ei— i think he's spoken to the reporters at a— i think he's spoken to the reporters at a tech week event. he reporters at a tech week event. ne seys— reporters at a tech week event. ne seys ne-s— reporters at a tech week event. he says he's sending his inengnis— he says he's sending his thoughts-all- he says he's sending his thoughts all those affected he says he's sending his th0lto ts all those affected he says he's sending his th0lto the all those affected he says he's sending his th0lto the emergencyaffected he says he's sending his th0lto the emergency services and to the emergency services vne— and to the emergency services vne ee— and to the emergency services who are responding to the insieeni— who are responding to the incident in— who are responding to the incident in nottingham . and most incident in nottingham. and most of incident in nottingham. and most er ine— incident in nottingham. and most er ine siiy— incident in nottingham. and most of the city centre— incident in nottingham. and most of the city centre is— incident in nottingham. and most of the city centre is closed eevn— of the city centre is closed down completely. there's a large eense— down completely. there's a large eeiise seeen— down completely. there's a large police cordon in— down completely. there's a large police cordon in place, multiple seei— police cordon in place, multiple road closures— police cordon in place, multiple road closures all— police cordon in place, multiple road closures all causing signiriseni— road closures all causing significant disruption. police are significant disruption. police nrging— significant disruption. police nrging ine— significant disruption. police are urging the public to be neiienn— are urging the public to be eeiieni. i— are urging the public to be patient. i think— are urging the public to be patient. i think the public be perenn— patient. i think the public be eeiieni1 nev— patient. i think the public be patient, bev, don't you? when iney— patient, bev, don't you? when iney were— patient, bev, don't you? when iney vere ne— patient, bev, don't you? when iney vere ne in— patient, bev, don't you? when they wake up in nottingham to eissever— they wake up in nottingham to discover-three— they wake up in nottingham to discover three people discover that three people have neen— discover that three people have| been _absolutely. been brutally slain? absolutely. in been brutally slain? absolutely. in—ene- in the early hours and three eeeeie— in the early hours and three people-hospital- people are in hospital recovering. _ people are in hospital recovering. we don't know what seneiiien— recovering. we don't know what seneiiien-in— recovering. we don't know what condition-in-beingl condition they're in after being the condition they're in after being ine-er— condition they're in after being ine-er ine— condition they're in after being the-of the van- condition they're in after being the of the van attempted the driver of the van attempted to the driver of the van attempted e n— the driver of the van attempted re inen — the driver of the van attempted to run them _yeah- the driver of the van attempted to run them _yeah - to run them over. yeah nottingham,— to run them over. yeah nottingham, nottinghamshire is apparently it's the 21st most dangerous county obe in england wales and northern ireland. it's a 21st you know like we said it's not, it's not london. it's not manchester. i don't i'm not belittling nottingham. i understand it is a big town, but

we think of it as being a relatively safe university town. the overall crime rate in nottinghamshire in 2022 was 83. crimes per 1000 people. most common crimes being violence and sexual offences, which happened to roughly every 32 out of 1000 residents in. and obviously this incident is extremely rare. extreme highly unusual. that's why we're staying with it this morning as this picture unfolds. and we have no we have no evieense— and we have no we have no evieense yer— and we have no we have no evidence yet or— and we have no we have no evidence yet or guidance from the evidence yet or guidance from ine eense— evidence yet or guidance from the police about— evidence yet or guidance from the police about the motivation of . the police about the motivation er . ine— the police about the motivation er . ine er— the police about the motivation er . ine er ine— the police about the motivation of . the of the killer. so of. the of the killer. so eiviensiy1— of. the of the killer. so obviously, there'll be speculation - obviously, there'll be speculation it's terrorism . um, speculation it's terrorism. um, ini— speculation it's terrorism. um, en es— speculation it's terrorism. um, en es merr— speculation it's terrorism. um, but as mark white pointed out, it but as mark white pointed out, is senin— but as mark white pointed out, is senie ie— but as mark white pointed out, is senie be e— but as mark white pointed out, it could be a number of factors. vie-ve— it could be a number of factors. vie-ve siiii— it could be a number of factors. vie-ve siiii gei— it could be a number of factors. we've still got peter bleksley vnn— we've still got peter bleksley viin ns— we've still got peter bleksley with us, former— we've still got peter bleksley with us, former metropolitan reiise— with us, former metropolitan police detective _ with us, former metropolitan police detective . peter, any police detective. peter, any news on your own, son? because for news on your own, son? because ier neeeie— news on your own, son? because ier eeeeie insi— news on your own, son? because for people just tuning in or iisiening— for people just tuning in or listening on— for people just tuning in or listening on the radio, peter's own son is a second year student at own son is a second year student ei neiiingnen— own son is a second year student at nottingham university, and inese— at nottingham university, and these killings— at nottingham university, and these killings taken place these killings have taken place

signi— these killings have taken place signs—sineenil right in the heart of student rene— right in the heart of student iene .— right in the heart of student iene . inenr— right in the heart of student land . thank you very much for land. thank you very much for esring— land. thank you very much for esring ny— land. thank you very much for esring rny vire— land. thank you very much for asking my wife is— land. thank you very much for asking my wife is downstairs in the asking my wife is downstairs in ine neiei— asking my wife is downstairs in the hotel and— asking my wife is downstairs in the hotel and of— asking my wife is downstairs in the hotel and of course won't in ine— the hotel and of course won't come in the room— the hotel and of course won't come in the room and interrupt anv— come in the room and interrupt eny eereniiei— come in the room and interrupt any potential broadcast . any potential broadcast. so i'm efreie— any potential broadcast. so i'm efreie i— any potential broadcast. so i'm efreie i een-s— any potential broadcast. so i'm afraid i don't have— any potential broadcast. so i'm afraid i don't have the answer to that question just at the moment. but as soon as i do and as soon as off air, i will as soon as i'm off air, i will post on social media what we find out about him. but thank you concern . it's every you for your concern. it's every parent's nightmare.— . t t it's every parent's nightmare. they're vering— parent's nightmare. they're vering ne— parent's nightmare. they're vering ne ie— parent's nightmare. they're waking up to hear this , peter, waking up to hear this, peter, eense— waking up to hear this, peter, iesensee-e— waking up to hear this, peter, because-are so- waking up to hear this, peter, because are so many because there are so many sineenis— because there are so many sineenis in— because there are so many students in nottingham this inese— students in nottingham this these attacks— students in nottingham this these attacks did take place in sineeni— these attacks did take place in student land _ these attacks did take place in student land and— these attacks did take place in student land and so many other teens— student land and so many other eerenis ee— student land and so many other eerenis geing— student land and so many other parents are going to be making inese— parents are going to be making inese-iner— parents are going to be making those-that your- parents are going to be making those that your wife is those calls that your wife is mering— those calls that your wife is nering-ane- those calls that your wife is making-and as. those calls that your wife isi making-and as we making right now. and as we rnev1— making right now. and as we know, - students, - making right now. and as we know, students, they know, a lot of students, they lie know, a lot of students, they iie in— know, a lot of students, they iie in e— know, a lot of students, they iie in e iii— know, a lot of students, they lie in a bit in— know, a lot of students, they lie in a bit in the— know, a lot of students, they lie in a bit in the morning. risin— lie in a bit in the morning. vvsn. er— lie in a bit in the morning. well, of course,— lie in a bit in the morning. well, of course, so- lie in a bit in the morning. well, of course, so many of them go out and thoroughly enjoy themselves into the early hours of the morning. and it's really not uncommon for students to be coming home at four, 5:00 in the morning. um, you know, and to my huge embarrassment , i've done huge embarrassment, i've done that in the company of my

students son and his friends before. now > and is it the kind of before. now > and is it the kind er siiy— before. now > and is it the kind er siiy vnen— before. now > and is it the kind er siiy vnen yen— before. now > and is it the kind of city when you are— \wwi.ww1w1> and is it the kind of city when you are coming out nen— of city when you are coming out nen ine— of city when you are coming out nen ine eni— of city when you are coming out nen ine ene e— of city when you are coming out from the pub a bit,— of city when you are coming out from the pub a bit, a bit late. reser— from the pub a bit, a bit late. reier ee— from the pub a bit, a bit late. reier ee yen— from the pub a bit, a bit late. peter do you feel— from the pub a bit, a bit late. peter do you feel safe there ? peter do you feel safe there? vvsn. — peter do you feel safe there? vvsn. i— peter do you feel safe there? well, i commented— peter do you feel safe there? well, i commented one- peter do you feel safe there? well, i commented one time some months ago that i was surprised that as we all spilled out of the club, there wasn't any sign of any police officers there. and then a couple of months later, one of my son's friends , later, one of my son's friends, unfortunately, was assaulted , unfortunately, was assaulted, was punched quite viciously in the face a number of times . um, the face a number of times. um, but by and large , the experience but by and large, the experience of my son and his friends has been an overwhelming positive one in the city and let's face the uncomfortable truth that people get punched in the face in every city, town, village and hamlet in the land virtually. yeah yes, of course they do. of iney— yeah yes, of course they do. of iney ee. — yeah yes, of course they do. of course they do. if— w“/wi;1? 1“ yes, of course they do. of course they do. if you're a serene— course they do. if you're a eereni1 i— course they do. if you're a eerenr1 i en— course they do. if you're a parent, i am of- course they do. if you're a parent, i am of a teenage boy. its— parent, i am of a teenage boy. ii-s yen.— parent, i am of a teenage boy. ir-s yen. ren— parent, i am of a teenage boy. it's you. you have— parent, i am of a teenage boy. it's you. you have your heart in yene— it's you. you have your heart in yenr menin— it's you. you have your heart in your mouth. every— it's you. you have your heart in your mouth. every time they go out your mouth. every time they go eni rer— your mouth. every time they go eni ier ine— your mouth. every time they go out for the evening, don't you? iner— out for the evening, don't you? inei ii-s— out for the evening, don't you? inei is en— out for the evening, don't you? that it's all going— out for the evening, don't you? that it's all going to end badly if yen— that it's all going to end badly ir yen insi— that it's all going to end badly if you just joining— that it's all going to end badly if you just joining us this

nerning— if you just joining us this morning, the— if you just joining us this morning, the day ended badly. nes— morning, the day ended badly. nes-rer— morning, the day ended badly. nes-fer ine— morning, the day ended badly. has for the parents. we has so far for the parents. we een-i— has so far for the parents. we een-i rnev. — has so far for the parents. we don't know. two— has so far for the parents. we don't know. two people dead in the don't know. two people dead in ine sneer— don't know. two people dead in ine sneer ei— don't know. two people dead in the street at 4— don't know. two people dead in the street at 4 a.m.— don't know. two people dead in the street at 4 a.m. it's seems as the street at 4 a.m. it's seems es inengn— the street at 4 a.m. it's seems as though that— the street at 4 a.m. it's seems as though that was the first insieeni— as though that was the first incident that— as though that was the first incident that triggered the reuse— incident that triggered the police response. then a van snee— police response. then a van iriee ie— police response. then a van iriee re ni— police response. then a van tried to run down three people on tried to run down three people en iiiiien— tried to run down three people on milton street— tried to run down three people on milton street in nottingham and on milton street in nottingham ene inen— on milton street in nottingham and then another— on milton street in nottingham and then another man found dead in iiegeeie— and then another man found dead in magdala road— and then another man found dead in magdala road .— and then another man found dead in magdala road . this is what we in magdala road. this is what we knew— in magdala road. this is what we knew se— in magdala road. this is what we knew se rer— in magdala road. this is what we know so far this— in magdala road. this is what we know so far this morning. it is very— know so far this morning. it is very nnsn— know so far this morning. it is very nnsn en— know so far this morning. it is very much an unfolding siineiien— very much an unfolding situation. we've had statements nen— situation. we've had statements nen keie— situation. we've had statements from kate meynell , the chief from kate meynell, the chief eense— from kate meynell, the chief police officer— from kate meynell, the chief police officer in— from kate meynell, the chief police officer in the area. and you— police officer in the area. and yen vee— police officer in the area. and yen seying— police officer in the area. and you were saying earlier , peter, you were saying earlier, peter, iner— you were saying earlier, peter, inei yen— you were saying earlier, peter, inei yen ininr— you were saying earlier, peter, that you think that she's neneiee— that you think that she's handled this— that you think that she's handled this initial response evireneiy— handled this initial response extremely well— handled this initial response extremely well . w“/wi;1? 1“ handled this initial response extremely well. / extremely well. yeah, well, i think that statement that came out fairly swiftly was very good. there's a lot of clarity in there for it. for somebody like me that comes from a policing background. she talked about the incident, the loss of lives and somebody in custody. so in essence, she was saying this incident is over as we see it, it was not there was no talk

of alive, ongoing incident. it's gone from incident to investigation. so hopefully and thankfully , with that arrest of thankfully, with that arrest of that person, then the people are no longer at risk . peter, that's no longer at risk. peter, that's reser— no longer at risk. peter, that's peter bleksley. _ no longer at risk. peter, that's peter bleksley. we're- g 1 peter, that's peter bleksley. we're going to retes— peter bleksley. we're going to peter is— peter bleksley. we're going to peter is geing— peter bleksley. we're going to peter is going to— peter bleksley. we're going to peter is going to stay with us vniie— peter is going to stay with us vniie inis— peter is going to stay with us while this ongoing incident seninnes — while this ongoing incident continues. is— while this ongoing incident continues. is the police investigating- continues. is the police investigating man in custody , 31 investigating man in custody, 31 yeer— investigating man in custody, 31 yeer eie— investigating man in custody, 31 yeer eie nen— investigating man in custody, 31 yeer eie in— investigating man in custody, 31 year old man in custody, three eeeeie— year old man in custody, three eeeeie eeee— year old man in custody, three people dead nottingham , three people dead in nottingham, three neeeie— people dead in nottingham, three eeeeie—erier- people dead in nottingham, three people—after being- people in hospital after being sirnsr— people in hospital after being sirnsr ny— people in hospital after being sirnsr iy e— people in hospital after being struck by a white van, which gei— struck by a white van, which we've got this— struck by a white van, which we've got this great footage of, vnisn— we've got this great footage of, vnisn is— we've got this great footage of, vnisn is given— we've got this great footage of, which is given exclusively to gb nevs— which is given exclusively to gb revs ene— which is given exclusively to gb revs end i— which is given exclusively to gb news and i think— which is given exclusively to gb news and i think we can speak ie— news and i think we can speak now to our eyewitness. that's right. — now to our eyewitness. that's right. se — now to our eyewitness. that's right. se i— now to our eyewitness. that's right. so i believe this is the gentleman who filmed this footage, kane brady kane. i think we can actually speak to you. you've been very kindly talking to us on the phone this morning. am i right in saying this is the footage that you filmed earlier? yeah this is essentially what we woke up to , essentially what we woke up to, some loud, large commotion ,

some loud, large commotion, heard loads of bangs and then woke up and we saw a man being dragged out of a van and we saw him getting tasered. we saw the police him getting tasered. we saw the eeiise ginning— him getting tasered. we saw the police pinning him— him getting tasered. we saw the police pinning him down- 1“ gwicc “g ”cc we saw the police pinning him down as well. it police pinning him down as well. ii es— police pinning him down as well. ii gniie— police pinning him down as well. it was quite, quite— police pinning him down as well. it was quite, quite a scary ining— it was quite, quite a scary ining ie— it was quite, quite a scary thing to wake— it was quite, quite a scary thing to wake up to so early on in ine— thing to wake up to so early on in the morning. _ thing to wake up to so early on in the morning. t in the morning. what was your first thought when you saw that happening? i was just had not a sine. — happening? i was just had not a sine. i— happening? i was just had not a sine. i eien-i— happening? i was just had not a clue. i didn't really— 1“wg7’ i was just had not a clue. i didn't really know where it clue. i didn't really know where is es— clue. i didn't really know where it geing— clue. i didn't really know where it geing re— clue. i didn't really know where it was going to go— clue. i didn't really know where it was going to go because there vesni— it was going to go because there vesni inese— it was going to go because there wasn't there was— it was going to go because there wasn't there was only a few eeiisenen— wasn't there was only a few policemen _therel wasn't there was only a few. policemen-there at wasn't there was only a few- policemen _there at the policemen that were there at the —seiiee- policemen that were there at the scene. _called for- scene. i know they called for eesrne— scene. i know they called for eesrne-evey- scene. i know they called for backup - away and i scene. i know they called for backup away and the backup straight away and the ma...— backup straight away and the ine— backup straight away and the man, the man— backup straight away and the man, the man was resisting enesi — man, the man was resisting enesi se— man, the man was resisting enesi se i— man, the man was resisting arrest. so i didn't know arrest. so i didn't really know vnei—vnei- arrest. so i didn't really know what—what was. arrest. so i didn't really know. what—what was going what didn't know what was going to what didn't know what was going ie-eien-i— what didn't know what was going ie-eien-i-ir- what didn't know what was going to-didn't-if that. to happen. i didn't know if that ves-ene— to happen. i didn't know if that ves-ene ei— to happen. i didn't know if that was-end of it,— to happen. i didn't know if that was-end of it, if— to happen. i didn't know if that was-end of it, if it- to happen. i didn't know if that was end of it, if it was was the end of it, if it was engeing— was the end of it, if it was engeing er— was the end of it, if it was ongoing or what. '1“w: was the end of it, if it was ongoing or what.1“w: ongoing or what. and kane, you saw the knife. they they retrieved a knife from the van. you told earlier it was the you told us earlier it was the size a paper. yeah i'm size of a for paper. yeah i'm looking back now. it- looking back now. it was even bigger— looking back now. it was even nigger-inn. — looking back now. it was even nigger-inn. ii- looking back now. it was even bigger that. it was. it was bigger than that. it was. it was a massive blade— bigger than that. it was. it was a massive blade was huge. and me, me and someone else, when we sew-knife— me, me and someone else, when we sew-knife bein— me, me and someone else, when we saw knife, both looked at saw the knife, both looked at eesn— saw the knife, both looked at each - straight - saw the knife, both looked at each straight away and each other straight away and nee-ny— each other straight away and vve-re-ny seg- each other straight away and we're my god, what we're like, oh my god, what the neu— we're like, oh my god, what the neii ee— we're like, oh my god, what the neii ere-e— we're like, oh my god, what the hell are-a student- we're like, oh my god, what the hell are a student at the hell are you, a student at the nnie — hell are you, a student at the nnie vene— hell are you, a student at the uni? kane you—

hell are you, a student at the uni? /wiwc. 7’ yeah. hell are you, a student at the uni? /w1iwc. 7’ yeah. so hell are you, a student at the uni? /wi1wc. 7’ yeah. so i'm uni? kane you? yeah. so i'm a sineeni— uni? kane you? yeah. so i'm a sineeni ei— uni? kane you? yeah. so i'm a student at the— uni? kane you? yeah. so i'm a student at the uni.— uni? /wiwc.7 yeah. so i'm a student at the uni. where we iive— student at the uni. where we iive is— student at the uni. where we live is mostly— student at the uni. where we live is mostly student area, so vnen— live is mostly student area, so vnen ve— live is mostly student area, so when we saw that— live is mostly student area, so when we saw that just absolute snesr. — when we saw that just absolute snesr. reen— when we saw that just absolute snesr. reen — when we saw that just absolute shock. yeah and— when we saw that just absolute shock. yeah “w: when we saw that just absolute shock. yeah '1“w: : c shock. yeah and kane, would it be how unusual would it be for students to be perhaps going home at 4:00 in the morning. yeah not not too unusual. as i sein— yeah not not too unusual. as i seie eeriies— yeah not not too unusual. as i said earlier, we— / not not too unusual. as i said earlier, we know a few eeeeie— said earlier, we know a few eeeeie iner— said earlier, we know a few people that out— said earlier, we know a few people that out last night just mering— people that out last night just nering sne— people that out last night just making sure they're okay and everyining. — making sure they're okay and everything. yeah, not unusual at all everything. yeah, not unusual at eii inese— everything. yeah, not unusual at eii inese iev— everything. yeah, not unusual at all those few events on yesrereey. — all those few events on yesterday. so - all those few events on yesterday. so a lot of people venis— yesterday. so a lot of people went neve— yesterday. so a lot of people would have been— yesterday. so a lot of people would have been out last night. of would have been out last night. or enrse— would have been out last night. or is— would have been out last night. of course it was— would have been out last night. of course it was a— would have been out last night. of course it was a lovely- would have been out last night. of course it was a lovely sunny evening. yeah. when you when you've got get up for you've only got to get up for lectures next morning. lectures the next morning. obviously can can obviously your evening can can go on and on it. has there go on and on can't it. has there been any statement from the university or any emails out to the the students this the pupils, the students this morning that i've seen , no. morning? not that i've seen, no. eni— morning? not that i've seen, no. in i— morning? not that i've seen, no. in i knew— morning? not that i've seen, no. in i knew ine— 1“wg7’ not that i've seen, no. but i know the university of neiiingnen— but i know the university of nottingham have got their greeneiien— nottingham have got their graduation tonight, so graduation ball tonight, so vneiner— graduation ball tonight, so whether-will- graduation ball tonight, so whether will still go whether that will still go eneee1— whether that will still go ahead, _too - whether that will still go ahead, too sure. but ahead, i'm not too sure. but i-ve— ahead, i'm not too sure. but he nei— ahead, i'm not too sure. but i've not heard— ahead, i'm not too sure. but i've not heard anything eiresiiy— i've not heard anything eiresiiyl - i've not heard anything directly. c 1“ i've not heard anything directly. c1“w: i've not heard anything- directly.. gosh. and that's a directly. no gosh. and that's a that's a huge event isn't it? such an important event for students. graduation ball. students. the graduation ball. yeah yeah, iwas yeah yeah, exactly. i was ininring— yeah yeah, exactly. i was thinking i'm— w“/wi;1? 1“ yeah, exactly. i was

thinking i'm seeing my housemates— thinking i'm seeing my housemates don't whether it housemates don't know whether it will housemates don't know whether it viii ge— housemates don't know whether it viii ge eneei— housemates don't know whether it will go ahead or— housemates don't know whether it will go ahead or what. yeah. and kene— will go ahead or what. yeah. and kene-ynsi— will go ahead or what. yeah. and kane,-just remind- will go ahead or what. yeah. and kane,-just remind me,- kane, just. just remind me, because it always takes me by surprise. how short student surprise. how short the student university term is. have most students finished lectures now? will some of them already have gone home? yeah. yeah. so quite a gone home? yeah. yeah. so quite eien— gone home? yeah. yeah. so quite e rev sinienis— gone home? yeah. yeah. so quite a few students would— g 7 yeah. yeah. so quite a few students would have gone neme— a few students would have gone home. university— a few students would have gone home. university of nottingham iinisn— home. university of nottingham iinisn e— home. university of nottingham iinisn e iii— home. university of nottingham finish a bit later,— home. university of nottingham finish a bit later, so it'll be more, more of— finish a bit later, so it'll be more, more of them will be in ine— more, more of them will be in ine siiy— more, more of them will be in ine in in— more, more of them will be in ine siiy. nn1 se— more, more of them will be in the city. um, so it— more, more of them will be in the city. um, so it wouldn't be as the city. um, so it wouldn't be es inu— the city. um, so it wouldn't be es inii es— the city. um, so it wouldn't be es inii es ii— the city. um, so it wouldn't be as full as it normally would be. ini— as full as it normally would be. en es— as full as it normally would be. en es i— as full as it normally would be. en es i seii— as full as it normally would be. but as i said last— as full as it normally would be. but as i said last night there e iev— but as i said last night there was a few events— but as i said last night there was a few events on yesterday, so was a few events on yesterday, se inese — was a few events on yesterday, so there would— was a few events on yesterday, so there would have still been a lot so there would have still been a iei ei— so there would have still been a lot of students— so there would have still been a lot of students out. '“w: lot of students out. and at the moment know anybody moment we don't know anybody tuning in. we just want to put, you— tuning in. we just want to put, yen-perenn— tuning in. we just want to put, you-parents minds- tuning in. we just want to put, you-parents minds at- 1“ “g 1“ we just want to put, you parents minds at rest. you know, parents minds at rest. we you know, parents minds at rest. vie—iner— you know, parents minds at rest. vie—inei inese- you know, parents minds at rest. we _that these are i we don't know that these are sinienis— we don't know that these are students-are _ we don't know that these are students- are the - we don't know that these are students are the victims of students who are the victims of inis— students who are the victims of inis inis— students who are the victims of this this deranged— students who are the victims of this this deranged maniac. we ien-i— this this deranged maniac. we ien-i-inei. — this this deranged maniac. we don't-that. .just- don't know that. it's just seesnieie— don't know that. it's just speculate ocean, guess, speculate ocean, i guess, nense— speculate ocean, i guess, iense ei— speculate ocean, i guess, because of the- speculate ocean, i guess, because of the area of the eiiesrs— because of the area of the attacks. tell— because of the area of the attacks. tell me- because of the area of the attacks. tell me about ilkeston iseei. — attacks. tell me about ilkeston iseei. kene— attacks. tell me about ilkeston iseei. kene ii— attacks. tell me about ilkeston road. kane if you're familiar vnn— road. kane if you're familiar viin ines— road. kane if you're familiar with that, that's— road. kane if you're familiar with that, that's the first eiese— with that, that's the first place where _ with that, that's the first place where two people were ienni — place where two people were ienni ieei— place where two people were found dead in— place where two people were found dead in the street at 4 is— found dead in the street at 4 is iner— found dead in the street at 4 a.m. is that place that has a.m. is that a place that has eieniy— a.m. is that a place that has eieniy ei— a.m. is that a place that has eieniy ei iers— a.m. is that a place that has plenty of bars, pubs, etcetera on plenty of bars, pubs, etcetera

en iie— plenty of bars, pubs, etcetera en in nn— plenty of bars, pubs, etcetera on it? um yeah,— plenty of bars, pubs, etcetera on it? um yeah, it does have a few:— on it? um yeah, it does have a ten ini— on it? um yeah, it does have a ten in iii— on it? um yeah, it does have a few, but i'll be— on it? um yeah, it does have a few, but i'll be more houses. it few, but i'll be more houses. ii vves— few, but i'll be more houses. ii veere— few, but i'll be more houses. it was where someone- few, but i'll be more houses. it was where someone i- few, but i'll be more houses. it was where someone i know it was , um, their house in last was, um, their house in last yeah was, um, their house in last year. it was on the end of their road that road was so it'll be quite a lot of students living there. so i'm not saying it is, but it will be like maybe people walking home. i'm not 100% sure. yeah of course. there's also a lot yeah of course. there's also a iei ei— yeah of course. there's also a lot of international— w“/wi;1? 1“ wt.wiwc. there's also a lot of international students in neiiingnen— lot of international students in nottingham too.— lot of international students in nottingham too. yeah, i think in — nottingham too. yeah, i think in insi— nottingham too. yeah, i think i'm just thinking i think inese-s— i'm just thinking i think there's around 13,000 of them fren— there's around 13,000 of them iren eii— there's around 13,000 of them from all around— there's around 13,000 of them from all around the world coming to from all around the world coming re neiiingnen— from all around the world coming to nottingham university. so inis— to nottingham university. so inis is— to nottingham university. so inis is geing— to nottingham university. so this is going to— to nottingham university. so this is going to be all sorts of neeiesnes— this is going to be all sorts of headaches for— this is going to be all sorts of headaches for families living overseas , worrying, worrying overseas, worrying, worrying eiens— overseas, worrying, worrying eiens ineir— overseas, worrying, worrying about their students . children about their students. children in nottingham _ about their students. children in nottingham . x about their students. children in nottingham. / �*00�*5�*3 in nottingham. yeah, no. 100% nottingham. you see many people from many different walks of life, so it's quite scary that something like this could it could be anyone . kane if you could be anyone. kane if you ien-i— could be anyone. kane if you ien-i mini— could be anyone. kane if you don't mind just,— could be anyone. kane if you don't mind just, just- t: kane if you don't mind just, just helping us to understand— don't mind just, just helping us to understand the— don't mind just, just helping us to understand the area. a little bit to understand the area. a little iii ee— to understand the area. a little bit more. again,— to understand the area. a little bit more. again, milton street, inis— bit more. again, milton street, inis is— bit more. again, milton street, inis is ine— bit more. again, milton street, this is the place— bit more. again, milton street, this is the place on which a van iriei— this is the place on which a van iriei ie— this is the place on which a van iriei re ni— this is the place on which a van tried to run down— this is the place on which a van tried to run down three individuals. _ tried to run down three

individuals. we understand that iney— individuals. we understand that iney ee— individuals. we understand that iney eii— individuals. we understand that iney eii in— individuals. we understand that they are all in hospital . uh, they are all in hospital. uh, yen— they are all in hospital. uh, are you familiar— they are all in hospital. uh, are you familiar with milton sneer— are you familiar with milton sneer e — are you familiar with milton street ? yes,— are you familiar with milton street ? yes, i'm- are you familiar with milton street ? w“/wi;3 c are you familiar with milton street ? 4:3 c street? yes, i'm familiar with the sort of area. yeah, i know. as i said before, i know nottingham is very student area, but when the police van i can literally if i open a window now i see, i can see the, the i can see, i can see the, the van that the attacker was in and when the police were here when the armed police were here straight they a thing straight away they got a thing on the radio saying that they need head to milton need to head back to milton street. don't know. i don't street. so i don't know. i don't know exactly what happened there. like it was there. it seemed like it was very severe. yeah, that's that's the very severe. yeah, that's that's ine sneer— very severe. yeah, that's that's ine sneer en— very severe. yeah, that's that's the street on which— wig twi yeah, that's that's the street on which the van had iriei— the street on which the van had iriei-ievn. — the street on which the van had tried-down. three- tried to run down. three people vne— tried to run down. three people nne—.- tried to run down. three people nne—1 iii- tried to run down. three people vne—1aii i- who were in hospital. all i gness— who were in hospital. all i guess.would_ who were in hospital. all i guess would explain if guess it would explain if iney-ve— guess it would explain if iney-ve ii— guess it would explain if they've if, if— guess it would explain if they've if, if they've if iney-ve— they've if, if they've if they've actually secured the ii— they've actually secured the van, it would _ they've actually secured the van, it would explain why they venii— van, it would explain why they venii1 i— van, it would explain why they end i gnes— van, it would explain why they would, i guess, be in contact vnn— would, i guess, be in contact viin iiiiien— would, i guess, be in contact with milton street, which will eise— with milton street, which will eise ie— with milton street, which will eise ie ine— with milton street, which will also be the crime scene. they've eiiesiiveiy— also be the crime scene. they've effectively secured _ also be the crime scene. they've effectively secured the evidence for effectively secured the evidence fer-eenisnier— effectively secured the evidence for particular crime. we're for that particular crime. we're jumping— for that particular crime. we're tnneinglsenein— for that particular crime. we're jumping certain conclusions. jumping to certain conclusions. we jumping to certain conclusions. vie—iner- jumping to certain conclusions. vie—inei eni. - jumping to certain conclusions.| we _that out. this we have to point that out. this islireering— we have to point that out. this islbreaking news— we have to point that out. this is breaking news situation at is a breaking news situation at the is a breaking news situation at ine rnerneni— is a breaking news situation at the moment. but— is a breaking news situation at the moment. but if you are just reining— the moment. but if you are just reining ns— the moment. but if you are just reining ns eni— the moment. but if you are just joining us and you're tuning in, neeie— joining us and you're tuning in, major incident— joining us and you're tuning in, major incident in— joining us and you're tuning in, major incident in nottingham inis— major incident in nottingham

inis nerning— major incident in nottingham this morning in— major incident in nottingham this morning in a very much a nigniy— this morning in a very much a highly p0pulated_ this morning in a very much a highly populated area with sinienis— highly populated area with sinienis .— highly populated area with students . 4:00 this morning, two students. 4:00 this morning, two neeeie— students. 4:00 this morning, two eeeeie ieei— students. 4:00 this morning, two eeeeie ieei in— students. 4:00 this morning, two people dead in the— students. 4:00 this morning, two people dead in the street . a people dead in the street. a iiiiie— people dead in the street. a little while _ people dead in the street. a little while later, a van eiieneiei— little while later, a van attempted to - little while later, a van attempted to run down three eeeeie— attempted to run down three eeeeie inese— attempted to run down three people there in— attempted to run down three people there in hospital and men— people there in hospital and inen ene— people there in hospital and then one more,— people there in hospital and then one more, a male dead on iiegieiene— then one more, a male dead on magdalene road— then one more, a male dead on magdalene road .— then one more, a male dead on magdalene road . kane, just tell magdalene road. kane, just tell us magdalene road. kane, just tell ns ener— magdalene road. kane, just tell ns vnei yen— magdalene road. kane, just tell us what you can— magdalene road. kane, just tell us what you can see now. yeah so us what you can see now. yeah se inis— us what you can see now. yeah se this is— us what you can see now. yeah se this is insi— us what you can see now. yeah so this is just outside- us what you can see now. yeah so this is just outside my- us what you can see now. yeah so this is just outside my front window is literally just the van there. i don't know if you guys can see it. okay. it's a bit of scaffolding in the way. yeah. um i think we're still looking. oh, it. no, we. okay, so oh, that's it. no, we. okay, so inis— oh, that's it. no, we. okay, so inis is.— oh, that's it. no, we. okay, so inis is. inis— oh, that's it. no, we. okay, so this is. this is— oh, that's it. no, we. okay, so this is. this is your- oh, that's it. no, we. okay, so this is. this is your footage inenr— this is. this is your footage now. thank you— this is. this is your footage now. thank you so much, kane, for now. thank you so much, kane, ier sneving— now. thank you so much, kane, ier sneving ns— now. thank you so much, kane, for showing us exclusively this ieeiege— for showing us exclusively this ieeiege re — for showing us exclusively this ieeiege re se— for showing us exclusively this footage to gb news. if you veniin-i— footage to gb news. if you wouldn't mind,— footage to gb news. if you wouldn't mind, just if i could ireniie— wouldn't mind, just if i could ireniie yen— wouldn't mind, just if i could trouble you just— wouldn't mind, just if i could trouble you just to turn your enene— trouble you just to turn your enene erenni— trouble you just to turn your phone around again, because we eniy— phone around again, because we eniy nei— phone around again, because we eniy nei ii— phone around again, because we eniy nei is en— phone around again, because we only had it on screen. there for a only had it on screen. there for e sentie— only had it on screen. there for e seneie ei— only had it on screen. there for a couple of seconds whilst there veslieiey— a couple of seconds whilst there veslieiey .— a couple of seconds whilst there wasldelay . thank— a couple of seconds whilst there was delay. thank you a couple of seconds whilst there was delay . thank you ever so was a delay. thank you ever so nnsn— was a delay. thank you ever so nnsn .— was a delay. thank you ever so nnsn . se— was a delay. thank you ever so much . so you're— was a delay. thank you ever so much . so you're on the ground much. so you're on the ground iieer— much. so you're on the ground iieer nee— much. so you're on the ground floor here, although the footage eeriier— floor here, although the footage eeriier es— floor here, although the footage earlier was clearly— floor here, although the footage earlier was clearly from earlier was clearly taken from a ieei— earlier was clearly taken from a iieer siigniiy— earlier was clearly taken from a floor slightly higher up . so floor slightly higher up. so we're looking— floor slightly higher up. so we're looking now the white van. it's we're looking now the white van. is e— we're looking now the white van. is e irensii— we're looking now the white van.

it's a transit van— we're looking now the white van. it's a transit van in— we're looking now the white van. it's a transit van in position, nesn-i— it's a transit van in position, nesn-i neen— it's a transit van in position, hasn't been moved, obviously, at all hasn't been moved, obviously, at eii inis— hasn't been moved, obviously, at all this morning.— hasn't been moved, obviously, at all this morning. the door is enen— all this morning. the door is eeen vnere— all this morning. the door is open where the— all this morning. the door is open where the driver will have been — open where the driver will have teen-eni- — open where the driver will have been _out. .also. been dragged out. and also a siiiing— been dragged out. and also a siiiing eer— been dragged out. and also a sliding rear door. '1“w: sliding rear door. and is that ieei?— sliding rear door. and is that door? kane is the door. the passenger door, is it dented? um, so the passenger the um, no. so the passenger the eessenger— um, no. so the passenger the eessenger ieei— um, no. so the passenger the passenger door is— um, no. so the passenger the passenger door is not dented? ne.— passenger door is not dented? ne. ini— passenger door is not dented? we. in ine— passenger door is not dented? no. but the whole the front, the rent— no. but the whole the front, the ireni ei— no. but the whole the front, the ireni ei ine — no. but the whole the front, the front of the van— no. but the whole the front, the front of the van is— no. but the whole the front, the front of the van is all in eiseinie— front of the van is all in absolute bits.- front of the van is all in absolute bits. can't really see it absolute bits. can't really see is en— absolute bits. can't really see is en seneee— absolute bits. can't really see it on camera too— absolute bits. can't really see it on camera too much. so inese-s— it on camera too much. so there's quite— it on camera too much. so there's quite a— it on camera too much. so there's quite a lot of dents in ine— there's quite a lot of dents in ine giess. — there's quite a lot of dents in ine giess. is— there's quite a lot of dents in the glass. is all— there's quite a lot of dents in the glass. is all the glass is all shattered— the glass. is all the glass is all shattered and smashed. reen— all shattered and smashed. reen. ani— all shattered and smashed. reen. ani yen— all shattered and smashed. yeah. and you think.- all shattered and smashed. yeah. and you think. you think you which could you heard gunshots, which could explain the shattered windscreen. another windscreen. there's another theory . it could have been. what theory. it could have been. what was white that it was mark white saying? that it was mark white saying? that it was baton. a baton? that if was a baton. a baton? that if ine— was a baton. a baton? that if ineline— was a baton. a baton? that if thelthe vehicle— was a baton. a baton? that if thelthe vehicle had- 1“ a baton? that if the the vehicle had come to the if the vehicle had come to a neit— the if the vehicle had come to a neii1 iney— the if the vehicle had come to a halt, they could— the if the vehicle had come to a halt, they could have hit it. reen. — halt, they could have hit it. reen. reen— halt, they could have hit it. reen. reen — halt, they could have hit it. yeah. yeah as— halt, they could have hit it. yeah. yeah as i- halt, they could have hit it. yeah. yeah w: yeah. yeah as i said earlier, we were so unaware of what was going so we had no no clue. going on, so we had no no clue. really pretty scary for you. going on, so we had no no clue. really it'setty scary for you. going on, so we had no no clue. really it's not scary for you. going on, so we had no no clue. really it's not something u. going on, so we had no no clue. really it's not something you yeah. it's not something you wake to every tuesday morning wake up to every tuesday morning at so that was some scary at 5 a.m. so that was some scary stuff. yeah. and what are you siniying— stuff. yeah. and what are you siniying ei— yeah. and what are you studying at nottingham politics international— studying at nottingham politics international relations. cj“ w:wiw international relations. oh, do yene reen— international relations. oh, do yene reen .— international relations. oh, do you? yeah . yeah.— international relations. cj“ w:w1:w wiwc.7 yeah . yeah. and is it

you? yeah. yeah. and is it a greet— you? yeah. yeah. and is it a greei ie— you? yeah. yeah. and is it a greei re siiy— you? yeah. yeah. and is it a great to city be— you? yeah. yeah. and is it a great to city be a— wiwc.7 yeah. yeah. and is it a great to city be a student in? reen— great to city be a student in? en ii-s— great to city be a student in? yeah, it's definitely tell eyee— yeah, it's definitely tell ye ie— yeah, it's definitely tell anyone to come here. c anyone to come here. it's a greet— anyone to come here. it's a greei nigni— anyone to come here. it's a great night out. it's such a sad thing this happened, but it's an amazing city. um, yeah, it's good. amazing city. um, yeah, it's good . two good universities as good. two good universities as well . it's a good. two good universities as well. it's a shame this has happened. we well. it's a shame this has happened . we spoke to peter happened. we spoke to peter niersiey— happened. we spoke to peter bleksley earlier,— happened. we spoke to peter bleksley earlier, a— : we spoke to peter bleksley earlier, a former eense— bleksley earlier, a former police officer— bleksley earlier, a former police officer who has a son in ine— police officer who has a son in ine seseni— police officer who has a son in the second year,— police officer who has a son in the second year, actually of university— the second year, actually of university in— the second year, actually of university in nottingham . and he university in nottingham. and he was university in nottingham. and he seying— university in nottingham. and he seying iner— university in nottingham. and he was saying that when he's been out was saying that when he's been eniinere1— was saying that when he's been eni here is— was saying that when he's been out there, it does— was saying that when he's been out there, it does feel genereiiy— out there, it does feel generally fairly safe. but he's he generally fairly safe. but he's ne seii— generally fairly safe. but he's ne seii iner— generally fairly safe. but he's he said that he— generally fairly safe. but he's he said that he was struck by ine— he said that he was struck by ine resi— he said that he was struck by the fact that— he said that he was struck by the fact that when he'd come out of the fact that when he'd come out ei e— the fact that when he'd come out ei e nignisini— the fact that when he'd come out of a nightclub with— the fact that when he'd come out of a nightclub with his son and his of a nightclub with his son and nis-inei— of a nightclub with his son and his-that there- of a nightclub with his son and his that there were there his mates, that there were there ne eeiise— his mates, that there were there were no police officers to be seen-yen— were no police officers to be seen-lyou see— were no police officers to be. seen..you see-police were no police officers to be- seen..you see-police on seen. do you see many police on the seen. do you see many police on sne-vnen— seen. do you see many police on sne-vnen yne- seen. do you see many police on the when you're coming the streets when you're coming out the streets when you're coming ens-sinis— the streets when you're coming out-clubs and— the streets when you're coming out clubs and bars? you do , out of clubs and bars? you do, ini— out of clubs and bars? you do, in eniy— out of clubs and bars? you do, in eniy in— out of clubs and bars? you do, but only in the— out of clubs and bars? you do, but only in the city centre , but only in the city centre, iseeiiye — but only in the city centre, really? apart— but only in the city centre, really? ' really? apart from that, apart from literally like market square, that sort of area, there's there's not there's not there's not you don't really them walking don't really see them walking past on the streets or anything but the city centre. yes you but in the city centre. yes you do. but on places like ilkeston road i know van was at one road where i know van was at one point, you wouldn't there wouldn't much police around wouldn't be much police around there . right. okay. so people

there. right. okay. so people vne— there. right. okay. so people vne ee— there. right. okay. so people vne insi— c1“witwi right. okay. so people who are just joining in kane , who are just joining in kane, ynve— who are just joining in kane, ynve irengni— who are just joining in kane, you've brought us this exclusive sise— you've brought us this exclusive risi— you've brought us this exclusive since first thing— you've brought us this exclusive since first thing this morning insi— since first thing this morning tnsi remini— since first thing this morning just remind us— since first thing this morning just remind us again what neeeenei— just remind us again what neeeenei 1— just remind us again what neeeenei 1 ii— just remind us again what happened , if you don't mind, happened, if you don't mind, vnen— happened, if you don't mind, vnen yen— happened, if you don't mind, when you woke— happened, if you don't mind, when you woke up this morning eni— when you woke up this morning eni vnei— when you woke up this morning eni vnei iii— when you woke up this morning and what did you— when you woke up this morning and what did you see? / and what did you see? yeah. so we vers— and what did you see? yeah. so we were up— and what did you see? yeah. so we were up ie— and what did you see? yeah. so we woke up to shouts of armed police and what i said earlier sounded like some very loud, large, loud commotion . sounded large, loud commotion. sounded like gunshots. honestly, it was that . and we looked out the that loud. and we looked out the bedroom window and i saw a tasers. i saw a man being dragged out, pinned to the floor. i saw him getting arrested . um, he was trying to arrested. um, he was trying to resist . i then later saw when resist. i then later saw when they opened the van, i saw a large knife being pulled out. and then straight away, that's in the police, then closed off both roads, both maple street and bentick road. right. fascinating i'm just seeing a sieieneni— fascinating i'm just seeing a statement now— fascinating i'm just seeing a statement now from - ?3wt “3 i'm just seeing a statement now from the east iiiiienis— statement now from the east midlands ambulance service iesnse ei— midlands ambulance service because, of course, they've reren — because, of course, they've reren inree — because, of course, they've taken three people to hospital vne— taken three people to hospital vne vee— taken three people to hospital who were struck— taken three people to hospital who were struck the van, who were struck by the van, seying — who were struck by the van, seying iiee— who were struck by the van, saying .too early - who were struck by the van, saying too early comment who were struck by the van, saycasualties)early comment who were struck by the van, saycasualties orarly comment who were struck by the van, saycasualties or the comment who were struck by the van, saycasualties or the exactnment on casualties or the exact nense— on casualties or the exact nenie ei— on casualties or the exact nature of the— on casualties or the exact nature of the incident. so it's all nature of the incident. so it's eii siiii— nature of the incident. so it's all still well,— nature of the incident. so it's

all still well, it's— nature of the incident. so it's all still well, it's ongoing up in ine— all still well, it's ongoing up in ine ein— all still well, it's ongoing up in the air. it— all still well, it's ongoing up in the air. it really is. \w in the air. it really is. kane inn— in the air. it really is. kane i'm interested to see that the van is sat there just outside of your window. now, it isn't cordoned off as such, is it? are there many police or any, any any detectives milling around at the moment? it yeah, there's a iev— the moment? it yeah, there's a few veiring— the moment? it yeah, there's a few walking about.— the moment? it yeah, there's a few walking about. so- 7 it yeah, there's a few walking about. so one of my nenseneies— few walking about. so one of my housemates just— few walking about. so one of my housemates just opened the door and housemates just opened the door eni ine— housemates just opened the door eni ine eense— housemates just opened the door and the police just— housemates just opened the door and the police just said, go iesr— and the police just said, go back inside.— and the police just said, go back inside. and then my neignienr— back inside. and then my neighbour work this neighbour went to work this nerning— neighbour went to work this messing-v- neighbour went to work this morning we when this neighbour went to work this- morning-we when this all morning because we when this all neeeen—iesrl morning because we when this all neeeen—iesr iei happen, we actually went back to nei.— happen, we actually went back to ieei-inni— happen, we actually went back to bed-think too— happen, we actually went back to bed. think too much of bed. didn't think too much of it. bed. didn't think too much of ii. ani— bed. didn't think too much of ii. ani inen— bed. didn't think too much of it. and then i— bed. didn't think too much of it. and then i saw it on the eni— it. and then i saw it on the news and that's— it. and then i saw it on the news and that's when we come ievnsieirs— news and that's when we come downstairs .the_ news and that's when we come downstairs the police said downstairs and the police said ire— downstairs and the police said iire its— downstairs and the police said like it's officially— downstairs and the police said like it's officially a crime scene - anyone - like it's officially a crime. scene-anyone-has like it's officially a crime- scene - anyone - has to go scene and anyone who has to go to scene and anyone who has to go ie-er— scene and anyone who has to go ie-er vneieven— scene and anyone who has to go to or whatever, they're to work or whatever, they're iering — to work or whatever, they're taking _ details. i to work or whatever, they're. taking _ details. so taking everyone's details. so yen-er— taking everyone's details. so yen-re—yen-rel you're going to stay you're not going going to going to go. you're not going to going to go. you're not going to go to your tutor today. you're going to stay at home. well, i've finished now,— going to stay at home. well, i've finished now, so- giiw “g well, i've finished now, so i've got ine— i've finished now, so i've got sne—ieing- i've finished now, so i've got the—being able. i've finished now, so i've gotl the—being able to the privilege of being able to siey— the privilege of being able to siey in— the privilege of being able to siey in ine— the privilege of being able to stay in the house, right? yeah vise— stay in the house, right? yeah vise-neen— stay in the house, right? yeah were-meant to— stay in the house, right? yeah were-meant to.at- stay in the house, right? yeah were-meant to .at the. were you meant to be at the graduation ball tonight? no. so were you meant to be at the gwasn't.in ball tonight? no. so were you meant to be at the gwasn't. butall tonight? no. so were you meant to be at the gwasn't. but one)night? no. so were you meant to be at the gwasn't. but one ofght? no. so were you meant to be at the gwasn't. but one of my�* no. so iwasn't. but one of my housemates— i wasn't. but one of my housemates and then the rest of her housemates and then the rest of res neies— housemates and then the rest of her mates were _ housemates and then the rest of her mates were meant to be, but iney— her mates were meant to be, but iney-ien-i— her mates were meant to be, but they-don't know— her mates were meant to be, but they don't know what's they just don't know what's going— they just don't know what's going-happen— they just don't know what's going happen now. yeah but

going to happen now. yeah but inei-s— going to happen now. yeah but that's interesting. so the reuse— that's interesting. so thej eense—yen that's interesting. so the police you out police are not letting you out of we're looking at of your house? we're looking at live pictures now, kane. i don't know whether you see these know whether you can see these images this is the city images as this is the city centre in nottingham. roads centre in nottingham. the roads still yeah, looks centre in nottingham. the roads stillthis yeah, looks centre in nottingham. the roads stillthis is yeah, looks centre in nottingham. the roads stillthis is ilkeston h, looks centre in nottingham. the roads stillthis is ilkeston road.)oks centre in nottingham. the roads stillthis is ilkeston road. sos like this is ilkeston road. so this is the site where two people were found dead in the street 4:00 in morning. street at 4:00 in the morning. we there some traffic we can see there is some traffic at end of that particular at the end of that particular road. but it looks like there's some debris. in fact, the some debris. in fact, in in the middle road. if could middle of the road. if you could if know area a bit, if you know this area a bit, kane, can you give us an idea of what what buildings, what establishments, retail outlets, cafes, restaurants , bars there cafes, restaurants, bars there might around there ? yeah. i might be around there? yeah. i mean , there's a range of mean, there's a range of different things . obviously. different things. obviously. it's like different things. obviously. ii-s iire e— different things. obviously. it's like a university- w: “33 obviously. it's like a university student se is— it's like a university student area, so it would— it's like a university student area, so it would be very busy . area, so it would be very busy. iven— area, so it would be very busy. iven in— area, so it would be very busy. iven in ine— area, so it would be very busy. even in the early— area, so it would be very busy. even in the early hours in the nerning— even in the early hours in the nerning1 yen— even in the early hours in the morning, you would get people veiring— morning, you would get people walking around.— morning, you would get people walking around. i— morning, you would get people walking around. i know there's a few snees— walking around. i know there's a few shops, there's— walking around. i know there's a few shops, there's the odd bar inese— few shops, there's the odd bar near there, but— few shops, there's the odd bar near there, but it's more like snees— near there, but it's more like snees-gyns— near there, but it's more like shops gyms stuff like shops and gyms and stuff like iner— shops and gyms and stuff like inn—ie— shops and gyms and stuff like that—be there. - shops and gyms and stuff like that—be there. it'si that that would be there. it's a bit that that would be there. it's a iii—se- that that would be there. it's a iii—se es- that that would be there. it's a iii—se es in bit further out city. so as i seii— bit further out city. so as i seii1 ii— bit further out city. so as i said, it would _ bit further out city. so as i said, it would be people walking nene.— said, it would be people walking nene-yeen— said, it would be people walking nene-yeen i— said, it would be people walking home. yeah, i mean it home. but yeah, i mean it ieesn-i— home. but yeah, i mean it doesn't surprise- home. but yeah, i mean it doesn't surprise me there's ieiris—

doesn't surprise me there's ieiris-ine- doesn't surprise me there's debris _the van- doesn't surprise me there's- debris _the van-dented debris because the van is dented to debris because the van is dented re eieses— debris because the van is dented re eieseslii— debris because the van is dented to pieces. .it the _ debris because the van is dented to pieces..it the van- debris because the van is dented to pieces. it the van must to pieces. so it the van must neve— to pieces. so it the van must neve nir— to pieces. so it the van must have hit something. yeah. '1“w: have hit something. yeah. and the have hit something. yeah. and ins-vines— have hit something. yeah. and ins-vines in— have hit something. yeah. and the what in midweek the clubs. what in in midweek came what time are the clubs chucking out? late as chucking people out? as late as 3:00. still be late. 3:00. it would still be late. it would still be like 2 or 3, ereieiiy— it would still be like 2 or 3, ereieiiy 2— it would still be like 2 or 3, probably 2 a.m,— it would still be like 2 or 3, probably 2 a.m, i'd say. but enen— probably 2 a.m, i'd say. but inen eeeeie— probably 2 a.m, i'd say. but then people would food after then people would get food after iney— then people would get food after iney-ie— then people would get food after iney-re en— then people would get food after they-to an after- then people would get food after they to an after party they maybe go to an after party eni— they maybe go to an after party eni enen— they maybe go to an after party and then they'd— they maybe go to an after party and then they'd walk back. it veniin-i— and then they'd walk back. it wouldn't—the. wouldn't necessarily be the sinis— wouldn't necessarily be the clubs close.— wouldn't necessarily be the clubs close. that's the end. inei-s— clubs close. that's the end. inei-s ine— clubs close. that's the end. that's the end _ clubs close. that's the end. that's the end night. that's the end of the night. nev— that's the end of the night. how extraordinary.- that's the end of the night. how extraordinary. i- that's the end of the night. how extraordinary. i mean, we've we've speculating. we've sort of been speculating. i speculating, i guess i was speculating, andrew, i don't know about you that maybe the people 4 a.m. that maybe the people at 4 a.m. who found dead at ilkeston who were found dead at ilkeston road been stabbed. but road had been stabbed. but looking now on looking at this scene now on the road, is clearly debris on road, there is clearly debris on the of white plastic. the road of white plastic. perhaps you've just told us, kane, that the front of the van that you're sat looking at is actually damaged . so we're actually damaged. so we're speculating. but it would look perhaps as though the two people who were found dead in the street, that was the police's words were hit by this words were also hit by this vehicle. the police have cordoned off this tape on either sides of the debris on the road.

in fact, that looks like the paramedics sort of equipment that's on the side of the road there . somebody clearly has been there. somebody clearly has been they've tried to treat somebody at the roadside and they record inns which run across the road so effectively. horace italy, across the road to keep that area pretty clear. we're just getting— area pretty clear. we're just getting e— area pretty clear. we're just getting a tweet— area pretty clear. we're just getting a tweet now- t we're just getting a tweet now from the nine— getting a tweet now from the prime minister— getting a tweet now from the prime minister who says rishi snner— prime minister who says rishi snner eve— prime minister who says rishi sunak two minutes ago, says he venis— sunak two minutes ago, says he venis ie— sunak two minutes ago, says he wants to thank— sunak two minutes ago, says he wants to thank the _ sunak two minutes ago, says he wants to thank the police and energensy— wants to thank the police and emergency services for their engeing— emergency services for their ongoing response to the shocking insiieni— ongoing response to the shocking insiieni in— ongoing response to the shocking incident in nottingham this nerning. — incident in nottingham this nerning. -reeil incident in nottingham this- morning.-kept updated morning. i'm being kept updated on morning. i'm being kept updated en— ine- morning. i'm being kept updated en— ine eeiisel morning. i'm being kept updated. on_. the police must on developments. the police must be on developments. the police must ie-iine— on developments. the police must g._gm. ie— on developments. the police must be time to undertake be given the time to undertake ineir— be given the time to undertake ineir-iiy— be given the time to undertake their my thoughts are their work. my thoughts are inese— their work. my thoughts are inese vien— their work. my thoughts are those with injured and with the ieniiies— those with injured and with the ieniiies eni— those with injured and with the families and loved ones of those neve— families and loved ones of those neve iesi— families and loved ones of those who've lost their— families and loved ones of those who've lost their lives. the nigninere— who've lost their lives. the nigninere 1— who've lost their lives. the nightmare , of— who've lost their lives. the nightmare , of course, for nightmare, of course, for ieniiies— nightmare, of course, for families. three people dead , families. three people dead, enee— families. three people dead, inree eeeeie— families. three people dead, three people in— families. three people dead, three people in hospital . i three people in hospital. i ininr— three people in hospital. i ininr ve— three people in hospital. i think we can— three people in hospital. i think we can now we can now go to think we can now we can now go re denny— think we can now we can now go re nenny snev— think we can now we can now go to danny shaw, who— think we can now we can now go to danny shaw, who is the police sernneneerii— to danny shaw, who is the police commentator for— to danny shaw, who is the police commentator for danny. morning seei— commentator for danny. morning seei nerning— commentator for danny. morning seei nerning1— commentator for danny. morning good morning , andrew. c: good morning, andrew. good nerning— good morning, andrew. good nerning. vines— good morning, andrew. good morning. what what? just

good morning, andrew. c: “g �*inj“?c �*inj“?c7 just give good morning, andrew. c: “g �*inj“?c �*vaj 7 just give us morning. what what? just give us your your morning. what what? just give us yenr yenr vien— morning. what what? just give us yenr yenr ei— morning. what what? just give us your your view of what— “g �*inj“?c �*vaj 7 just give us your your view of what we've neeri— your your view of what we've neeri eni— your your view of what we've heard and seen— your your view of what we've heard and seen so far. your your view of what we've heard and seen so far . �*vajwicc your your view of what we've heard and seen so far. �*vajwicc c heard and seen so far. well, it gees— heard and seen so far. well, it goes without saying. it's incredibly serious incident. very, very troubling. absolute tragedy for those who've lost their lives and for the families and relatives of those who are injured. i think we need to be careful not to jump to conclusions. i think it's really important. it appears that the situation is under control . situation is under control. nottinghamshire police have told us that, you know, the suspect is in custody on suspicion of murder. people are being treated in hospital. it looks like, from from what we're seeing at the moment, that there's no sort of wider threat at the moment. i think the priority for the investigators will be to establish what was the motive for this attack and what is the background of the suspect in custody that will be, you know, uppermost in their minds? is this person linked to any organisation , ian? is it organisation, ian? is it terrorism related? that is not a

call that nottinghamshire police will make only be the uk counter—terror ism coordinator can actually make that call. as to whether this is a terrorism incident and until that point, and that could take some time, i think we have to be careful about speculating as to motives and intentions and so on. but thatis and intentions and so on. but that is will clearly be something that investigators will have to ascertain as a priority , because always, always priority, because always, always is the concern is the worry that this that this individual might be part of a wider group or a wider network, coordinated attacks, something else going on. so that's the first thing to establish. first of all, that they've contained the incident and that there's no wider threat, there's no link to any other group. explain that in a little bit more detail. so you say it's not for c c 1“wiwtwi c so you say it's not for nottinghamshire eense— say it's not for nottinghamshire eeiise vne— say it's not for nottinghamshire eeiise vne ee— say it's not for nottinghamshire police who are obviously on the scene apprehended and scene and have apprehended and neve— scene and have apprehended and neve-nen— scene and have apprehended and neve-nen in— scene and have apprehended and have man in custody. have got this man in custody. is— have got this man in custody. is vne— have got this man in custody. it's who would— have got this man in custody. it's who would decide whether it is e— it's who would decide whether it is e rene— it's who would decide whether it

is a terror attack— it's who would decide whether it is a terror attack that would be a is a terror attack that would be e very— is a terror attack that would be e very serie— is a terror attack that would be a very senior officer called tim fenes— a very senior officer called tim ieres 1— a very senior officer called tim ieres 1 vne— a very senior officer called tim ieres 1 vne i— a very senior officer called tim jakes , who i think— a very senior officer called tim jakes , who i think forgive me if jakes, who i think forgive me if i jakes, who i think forgive me if i ien-i— jakes, who i think forgive me if i ien-i neve— jakes, who i think forgive me if i don't have the— jakes, who i think forgive me if i don't have the correct title, ini— i don't have the correct title, in i— i don't have the correct title, in i ininr— i don't have the correct title, but i think he's— i don't have the correct title, but i think he's something like the coordinator,— but i think he's something like the coordinator, the uk coordinator— the coordinator, the uk coordinator for counter ienensrn— coordinator for counter terrorism across the country . terrorism across the country. so terrorism across the country. se ii— terrorism across the country. se it insis— terrorism across the country. so if there is— terrorism across the country. so if there is a— terrorism across the country. so if there is a possibility that this is a terrorist incident , there will be liaison. incident, there will be liaison. i'm sure it's already happened with scotland yard, with the counter—terrorism branch there. there's also a regional office based in the midlands as well, and they will will have all the details. but that call as if this is a terrorist attack, that call will not be made by nottinghamshire police. it will be made by the counter—terrorism unit based in based in scotland yard. if it's not if it's not terrorism related, then nottinghamshire police will keep primacy of the investigation and it will stay with them. but if it will stay with them. but if it is, then i expect counter—terrorism to take over the enquiry. so he would if he's

not at the scene, tim jakes would probably be. he's on his way. i would probably be. he's on his vey. i venii— would probably be. he's on his way. i would think.— : he's on his way. i would think. danny . well, way. i would think. danny. well, ne-ii— way. i would think. danny. well, ne-ii neve— way. i would think. danny. well, he'll have all— way. i would think. danny. well, he'll have all the— way. i would think. danny. well, he'll have all the information on he'll have all the information en eni— he'll have all the information en eni nis— he'll have all the information on and his colleagues will have inierneiien— on and his colleagues will have information and— on and his colleagues will have information and will be in discussions— information and will be in discussions with nottinghamshire eense— discussions with nottinghamshire eeiise ei— discussions with nottinghamshire eeiise ei ine— discussions with nottinghamshire police at the moment . �*vajwi police at the moment. we may be getting— police at the moment. we may be getting ahead of ourselves here. andrew it may well be that this has got nothing to do with terrorism whatsoever. that this is someone perhaps is someone who perhaps has mental health problems or someone grudge or, you someone who has a grudge or, you know, don't know at the know, we just don't know at the moment. clearly, you moment. but clearly, when you look the incident, what's look at the incident, what's happened, you know, witnesses are about it. i think are talking about it. i think the one witness said that a large knife has been found. people are talking about stabbings. people have been knocked a van, etcetera. knocked over by a van, etcetera. it has those sorts of hallmarks of a terrorism incident. but we have to be careful not to jump to conclusions. danny we were talking just then to kane , who talking just then to kane, who is student in the area that is the student in the area that called this morning, called our show this morning, has sent us this exclusive footage. he's still in his iniiiing— footage. he's still in his

iniiiing 1— footage. he's still in his building ,just- 3 he's still in his building , just outside and just building, just outside and just enisiie— building, just outside and just enisiie ei— building, just outside and just outside of his— building, just outside and just outside of his window is the van iner— outside of his window is the van in vvee— outside of his window is the van that we're seeing _ outside of his window is the van that we're seeing here. we know iner— that we're seeing here. we know in eve— that we're seeing here. we know inei ive eeeeie— that we're seeing here. we know that two people were found dead in ine— that two people were found dead in ine sneer— that two people were found dead in ine sireei1— that two people were found dead in the street , pete.— that two people were found dead in the street , pete. and we also in the street, pete. and we also inev— in the street, pete. and we also knew iner— in the street, pete. and we also knew in e— in the street, pete. and we also know that a van— in the street, pete. and we also know that a van then tried to vei— know that a van then tried to veii1 en— know that a van then tried to well, ran down— know that a van then tried to well, ran down another three iniiviineis— well, ran down another three individuals and— well, ran down another three individuals and our friend kane is insiie— individuals and our friend kane is insiie nis— individuals and our friend kane is inside his house. he isn't being— is inside his house. he isn't being iee— is inside his house. he isn't being let out.— is inside his house. he isn't being let out. is— is inside his house. he isn't being let out. is that normal ? being let out. is that normal? is being let out. is that normal? is iner— being let out. is that normal? is that because— being let out. is that normal? is that because it's a crime its— is that because it's a crime scene? it's not— is that because it's a crime scene? it's not because there's eny— scene? it's not because there's eny existing— scene? it's not because there's any existing threat in the area siiii— any existing threat in the area siiii .— any existing threat in the area siiii . i— any existing threat in the area still. i think— any existing threat in the area still. i think it's— any existing threat in the area still . i think it's probably a still. i think it's probably a mix— still. i think it's probably a mix ei— still. i think it's probably a mix ei eeen— still. i think it's probably a mix of both . _ still. i think it's probably a mix of both . /w1:wc. still. i think it's probably a mix of both . /wiwc. still. i think it's probably a mix of both . j/wiwc. wt.wi mix of both. you know, police are erring on the side of caution at the moment for understandable reasons . they understandable reasons. they want to absolutely establish that this isn't part of a trap and that someone's going to appear, and that someone's going to appear , someone else is going to appear, someone else is going to appean appear, someone else is going to appear, or there's going to be someone else coming into the picture right ? someone else coming into the picture right? um, and equally , picture right? um, and equally, it is it is a crime scene. picture right? um, and equally, it is it is a crime scene . and it is it is a crime scene. and so, you know , they have to they so, you know, they have to they will have to be careful if you're directly sort of above if you're directly sort of above if you're directly sort of above if you're directly above of, you

know, the van, then you've obviously got to be very careful about not contaminating any of the evidence or anything while police are doing their investigations . but police are doing their investigations. but i wouldn't have thought that will last too long from from given this happened at about 530 this morning. andrew and i were seesnieiing— morning. andrew and i were speculating earlier- “3 andrew and i were speculating earlier about the sen— speculating earlier about the sen ei— speculating earlier about the sort of unusual— speculating earlier about the sort of unusual timing of this. if sort of unusual timing of this. ii is— sort of unusual timing of this. ii is is— sort of unusual timing of this. ii is is e— sort of unusual timing of this. if it is a terrorist— sort of unusual timing of this. if it is a terrorist attack, enen— if it is a terrorist attack, then often— if it is a terrorist attack, then often terrorists are intent on then often terrorists are intent en seeing— then often terrorists are intent en sreeiing es— then often terrorists are intent on creating as much havoc, seesn1— on creating as much havoc, chaos, visible— on creating as much havoc, chaos, visible motty as possible . vines— chaos, visible motty as possible . vvnee ie— chaos, visible motty as possible . vvnee ie yen— chaos, visible motty as possible . what do you make of the fact iner— . what do you make of the fact in ii— . what do you make of the fact in is en— . what do you make of the fact that it all seemed— . what do you make of the fact that it all seemed to start neeeening— that it all seemed to start neeeening ei— that it all seemed to start happening at around about 4:00 in ine— happening at around about 4:00 in the morning?— happening at around about 4:00 in the morning? it's it feels ire— in the morning? it's it feels iire its— in the morning? it's it feels like it's almost— in the morning? it's it feels like it's almost deliberate iining— like it's almost deliberate iining iner— like it's almost deliberate timing that that individual knew that timing that that individual knew inei iney— timing that that individual knew inei iney — timing that that individual knew that they were going to be eeeeie— that they were going to be eeeeie eni— that they were going to be eeeeie enr ei— that they were going to be people out at that time and that inese— people out at that time and that inese ney— people out at that time and that inere ney neve— people out at that time and that there may have been particular reeis— there may have been particular reeis iner— there may have been particular roads that were— there may have been particular roads that were targeted. ieei-s— roads that were targeted. that's really— roads that were targeted. that's really worrying. - that's really worrying. obviously, you know , students obviously, you know, students may well have been out coming back from from clubs and bars in nottingham city centre at that time . and there may have been time. and there may have been other you know, starting other people you know, starting

shifts early at that time shifts very early at that time as well . um, shifts very early at that time as well. um, it may well shifts very early at that time as well . um, it may well have as well. um, it may well have been that that person picked that time because there will be fewer police in the streets, be easier to drive around and less traffic and so on. i don't know. but it, or it may well simply have been that this was in the middle of some crisis and this was the moment that it was triggered. and he gets in the van and off he goes . yeah, we van and off he goes. yeah, we just don't know the motivation is clearly it would appear that someone was intent on killing people and, you know, causing as many injuries as possible . and many injuries as possible. and the home secretary suella braverman, has been briefed and that that would be what you would expect , that there would would expect, that there would be some political input here. i oh, absolutely. i mean, an incident of this nature, you'd expect the home secretary to be to be briefed. i mean, whether or not we will know whether this is something more serious or

something more co—ordinate , it'd something more co—ordinate, it'd i think if there's a i would think if there's a further step up and let's say, you know, a cobra committee meeting is called for or something like that. yeah. if the police believe that this is contained, this is one individual, then i think individual, then i don't think we'll those sorts of we'll see those sorts of measures . certainly we'll see those sorts of measures. certainly behind measures. but certainly behind the there will be people the scenes there will be people looking, for example , at the looking, for example, at the terrorism threat level, looking at whether there's any wider threat. i mean, the crucial thing is person's thing is this person's background. do the police background. what do the police know about him? i imagine that the moment they would have conducted searches at wherever he lives , looking for other he lives, looking for other evidence, looking through the computers, all of that kind of thing will be going on in the background. we're probably not aware of it at the moment, but i'm sure we will do later. but that's the kind of thing that police will want to know. what were individuals were these individuals motivations, what was motivations, what sites was was this who else this this person on? who else has talking to, that has he been talking to, that sort thing. we were talking sort of thing. we were talking to sort of thing. we were talking re nen— sort of thing. we were talking to matt whitehouse,- “3 we were talking to matt whitehouse, home and sesnriiy— to matt whitehouse, home and| sesnriiy—seii security editor danny, who said eeriier— security editor danny, who said eerie-ine— security editor danny, who said earlier-the terror- security editor danny, who said earlier the terror link is

earlier that the terror link is substantial— earlier that the terror link is substantial ,_ earlier that the terror link is substantial , which earlier that the terror link is substantial, which means earlier that the terror link is substantial , which means likely substantial, which means likely inese— substantial, which means likely inese es— substantial, which means likely inese e— substantial, which means likely there was a likely— substantial, which means likely there was a likely terror eiiesr1— there was a likely terror attack, which - there was a likely terror attack, which was it had been ievngreiei— attack, which was it had been downgraded quite a lot in in the eese— downgraded quite a lot in in the nest nenins— downgraded quite a lot in in the past months and— downgraded quite a lot in in the past months and years . �*vajwicc past months and years. well, i ien-i— past months and years. well, i ien-i inev— past months and years. well, i ien-i knew i— past months and years. well, i don't know if it's been downgraded. it's sort of fluctuated between severe and substantial. i think severe is the second highest. substantial is the third highest. this is the attack level. the threat level that sort of governs the preparedness of agencies in england , scotland and wales. england, scotland and wales. it's different. there's a different system for northern ireland and you know that if you talk to the counter—terrorism officials, if you talk to the police and security services, just because we're not hearing daily about attacks or about arrests, the picture is still very , very sort of busy out very, very sort of busy out there. there's still a lot of work. there's still a lot of planning and plotting and people with malign intent. and so on. and what's particularly concerning, i think, and has been for some time is low is

lone actors , individuals who are lone actors, individuals who are not affiliated to any group. they're not part of any network, but they just have some sort of intention. they build up, they get prepared, they do it by themselves. they don't tell anyone about it. and there's just no way or very little way for m15, the security service or counter—terror police, to know what they're up to. and then bang, they launch an attack . and bang, they launch an attack. and we've seen that several times over recent years. these attacks that we are seeing when they are terror related tend to be an individual acting by himself with knives or with guns or with a vehicle. danny, we're getting ireering— a vehicle. danny, we're getting some breaking news.- 1“ wt.cwi danny, we're getting some breaking news. we're being seri— some breaking news. we're being ieii iner— some breaking news. we're being ieii in ii— some breaking news. we're being ieii in ii is— some breaking news. we're being told that it is not— some breaking news. we're being told that it is not being ireeiei— told that it is not being treated as— told that it is not being treated as a— told that it is not being treated as a terror attack . treated as a terror attack. erey. — treated as a terror attack. erey. ai— treated as a terror attack. erey. vii inis— treated as a terror attack. okay. at this stage, yeah, at inis— okay. at this stage, yeah, at inis siege— okay. at this stage, yeah, at inis siege1 i— okay. at this stage, yeah, at this stage, i would i would seveei— this stage, i would i would seveei ii— this stage, i would i would caveat it with— this stage, i would i would caveat it with those three words at caveat it with those three words ei inis— caveat it with those three words ei inis siege— caveat it with those three words ei inis siege . — caveat it with those three words at this stage . �*vajwi 1“ at this stage. we've also seen an incidents before not treated as terror related. and then

subsequently we're more information . evidence comes to information. evidence comes to light. they are then sort of upgraded as terror related, but if that if that's correct , if that if that's correct, certainly that will be something of a relief , i certainly that will be something of a relief, i think, to the security and intelligence agencies. it does not lessen the impact for the victims and for the loved ones of those who have died at all. but it does raise the question what motivated this individual to. okay. it might eise— individual to. okay. it might eise eveiein— individual to. okay. it might eise eveiein 1— individual to. okay. it might also explain , danny,- “w: . wic.1?c okay. it might also explain , danny, why it did also explain, danny, why it did rere— also explain, danny, why it did iere eiese— also explain, danny, why it did iere eiese ei— also explain, danny, why it did take place at 4:00 in the nerning— take place at 4:00 in the morning, because as beth was seying— morning, because as beth was seying1 eni— morning, because as beth was seying1 eni yen— morning, because as beth was saying, and you know better than enyieiy— saying, and you know better than enyieiy1 ine — saying, and you know better than anybody, the terror— saying, and you know better than anybody, the terror attacks eiien — anybody, the terror attacks often are timed— anybody, the terror attacks often are timed to cause huge iisrneiien— often are timed to cause huge disruption, maximum exposure to and disruption, maximum exposure to eni ie— disruption, maximum exposure to eni re sense— disruption, maximum exposure to and to cause panic— disruption, maximum exposure to and to cause panic like . / and to cause panic like. yeah, i ini— and to cause panic like. yeah, i ins ve— and to cause panic like. yeah, i mean, but we have seen attacks that have been targeted in particular areas. there was a terror incident that's now been graded as a terror incident down at one of the holding centres . i

at one of the holding centres. i think it was it was at manston in kent some months ago. so that was targeted at particular group of people, asylum seekers and so on that were being held there by an individual who later died. and we've seen, you know, other attacks targeted at gay community and so on. so, you know , it's difficult to work out know, it's difficult to work out what the precise picture is here, what we don't know, it may be possible that, you know , two be possible that, you know, two of the people who died, you know, knew the suspect in question and there's some sort of link there. there's some link between someone that's just gone berserk and sort of , between someone that's just gone berserk and sort of, you between someone that's just gone berserk and sort of , you know, berserk and sort of, you know, taken out river edge. we are in the realms of speculation a bit at the moment. danny we're just going to i think we're going to talk to darren mccaffrey now. danny, i'm sure you're going to siey— danny, i'm sure you're going to siey erenni— danny, i'm sure you're going to stay around. stay— danny, i'm sure you're going to stay around. stay with us for ine— stay around. stay with us for ine rer— stay around. stay with us for ine ier ine— stay around. stay with us for the for the next— stay around. stay with us for the for the next hour or so. but inenr— the for the next hour or so. but inenr yen— the for the next hour or so. but inenr yen se— the for the next hour or so. but thank you so much. it's fascinating.— thank you so much. it's fascinating. your insight is iessineiing— fascinating. your insight is fascinating policing.

commentator danny shaw there. if you commentator danny shaw there. if yen-insi— commentator danny shaw there. if yen-inse reining— commentator danny shaw there. if yen-inst teining ns— commentator danny shaw there. if you just joining us, have you are just joining us, we have neeie— you are just joining us, we have nene—insi- you are just joining us, we have heard,_just said,- you are just joining us, we have heard, just said, the heard, as andrew just said, the reuse— heard, as andrew just said, the eeiise ee— heard, as andrew just said, the eeiise nei— heard, as andrew just said, the police are not treating this now as a terror attack.— police are not treating this now as a terror attack. now, why venii— as a terror attack. now, why venii yen — as a terror attack. now, why would you carry— as a terror attack. now, why would you carry this out at 4:00 in ine— would you carry this out at 4:00 in the morning?— would you carry this out at 4:00 in the morning? this is going to be in the morning? this is going to ie seneieiy— in the morning? this is going to ie seneieiy 1— in the morning? this is going to ie seneieiy 1 e— in the morning? this is going to be somebody , a deranged be somebody, a deranged individual,— be somebody, a deranged individual, and actually what denny— individual, and actually what denny-neie- individual, and actually what danny-made my. individual, and actually what danny made my blood danny said then made my blood run danny said then made my blood inn-seii— danny said then made my blood run _cold when - danny said then made my blood run cold when asked run a little cold when we asked nin— run a little cold when we asked nin-iining- run a little cold when we asked nin-iining ei- run a little cold when we asked him _timing of this. run a little cold when we asked him timing of this and him about the timing of this and esineiiy—ne- him about the timing of this and actually—he talked| actually, if you want, he talked eiens— actually, if you want, he talked eiens-reeis— actually, if you want, he talked about-roads being- actually, if you want, he talked about roads being and about the roads being quiet and if about the roads being quiet and ii-veni— about the roads being quiet and ii-veni ie— about the roads being quiet and if-want to use— about the roads being quiet and if-want to use a— about the roads being quiet and if want to use a vehicle as if you want to use a vehicle as a if you want to use a vehicle as e nnrrie— if you want to use a vehicle as a murder weapon,— if you want to use a vehicle as a murder weapon, you need to seeei— a murder weapon, you need to seeei eni— a murder weapon, you need to seeei eni yen— a murder weapon, you need to speed and you need to be able to get up— speed and you need to be able to get ne seeei. — speed and you need to be able to get ne seeei. eees— speed and you need to be able to get up speed. does that explain eernees— get up speed. does that explain eernees vny— get up speed. does that explain eernees vny inis— get up speed. does that explain perhaps why this has happened? we perhaps why this has happened? vie-ieering— perhaps why this has happened? we - looking .the - perhaps why this has happened? we looking the time in we are looking at the time in ine— we are looking at the time in sne-were- we are looking at the time in the-we're looking. we are looking at the time in the-we're looking an the morning, we're looking at an inege— the morning, we're looking at an image—and! the morning, we're looking at an. inege—ani yen image of ilkeston road. and you can image of ilkeston road. and you eeeeers— image of ilkeston road. and you eeeeers ie— image of ilkeston road. and you can appears to be debris from the and we've seen images of the van and we've seen images of the van and we've seen images of the van and we've seen images of the van which is smashed up at the van which is smashed up at the three people the front. we know three people are hospital. we don't know are in hospital. we don't know how seriously injured they are because he drove the van at them. obviously, an attempt to kill them. three are kill them. three people are dead, one in dead, 2 in 1 street, one in another street . and it may not another street. and it may not be terror incident for now at be a terror incident for now at this stage, but it is still a major incident. we're going to talk to hollis , who's there

talk to will hollis, who's there in nottingham. is in nottingham. well, this is what hearing. you can what we're hearing. have you can you any more light on you give shed any more light on what we're being told? gb news are being told mark white, our home and security editor, that this not not being seen at this is not not being seen at this is not not being seen at this you must use that this stage. you must use that caveat. danny said , as caveat. as danny shaw said, as a terror related incident . yes. terror related incident. yes. well, police right now- yes. well, police right now have referring— well, police right now have referring re — well, police right now have referring to this— well, police right now have referring to this as a major insiieni— referring to this as a major insiieni .— referring to this as a major incident . and— referring to this as a major incident . and they are saying incident. and they are saying iner— incident. and they are saying in ii— incident. and they are saying in ii is— incident. and they are saying that it is still— incident. and they are saying that it is still in— incident. and they are saying that it is still in the early sieges— that it is still in the early sieges eni— that it is still in the early stages and nottinghamshire eense— stages and nottinghamshire eeiise ee— stages and nottinghamshire police are asking that people let police are asking that people iei ine— police are asking that people let the detectives do their job. ren— let the detectives do their job. ren sen— let the detectives do their job. you can see part— let the detectives do their job. you can see part of that job nere— you can see part of that job here behind— you can see part of that job here behind me— you can see part of that job here behind me in milton street. inese— here behind me in milton street. inese ee— here behind me in milton street. inese e— here behind me in milton street. there are a couple— here behind me in milton street. there are a couple of street iner— there are a couple of street names that you're hearing . one names that you're hearing. one of names that you're hearing. one ei enen— names that you're hearing. one ei inen is— names that you're hearing. one of them is milton— names that you're hearing. one of them is milton street, where eense— of them is milton street, where eeiise sey— of them is milton street, where eeiise sey e— of them is milton street, where police say a man— of them is milton street, where police say a man ran a van into enee— police say a man ran a van into inree eeeeie— police say a man ran a van into three people. those— police say a man ran a van into three people. those three people are three people. those three people in— three people. those three people are in hospital— three people. those three people are in hospital right now . the are in hospital right now. the ieei— are in hospital right now. the real news here,— are in hospital right now. the real news here, of— are in hospital right now. the real news here, of course, is iner— real news here, of course, is in enee— real news here, of course, is that three people are dead and a nes— that three people are dead and a nes eeen— that three people are dead and a man has been arrested on

snseisien— man has been arrested on snseisien ei— man has been arrested on suspicion of murder. this is sieeriy— suspicion of murder. this is clearly really— suspicion of murder. this is clearly really shocking, not for insi— clearly really shocking, not for inse ine— clearly really shocking, not for tnsi ine eeeeie— clearly really shocking, not for just the people here in nottingham,- just the people here in nottingham, but it's clearly snesring— nottingham, but it's clearly snesring rer— nottingham, but it's clearly shocking for the nation . and shocking for the nation. and snes-s— shocking for the nation. and inei-s vny— shocking for the nation. and that's why we've— shocking for the nation. and that's why we've had statements nen — that's why we've had statements nen ine — that's why we've had statements from the prime— that's why we've had statements from the prime minister as well as from the prime minister as well es ine— from the prime minister as well es ine nene— from the prime minister as well as the home secretary here on ine— as the home secretary here on ine grenni— as the home secretary here on the ground though nottinghamshire police chief inseesier— nottinghamshire police chief inspector sorry— nottinghamshire police chief inspector sorry ,_ nottinghamshire police chief inspector sorry , chief constable inspector sorry, chief constable rere— inspector sorry, chief constable keie iieyneii— inspector sorry, chief constable kate meynell has— inspector sorry, chief constable kate meynell has referred to inis— kate meynell has referred to inis es— kate meynell has referred to inis es e— kate meynell has referred to this as a horrific— kate meynell has referred to this as a horrific incident . this as a horrific incident. inese— this as a horrific incident. inese ee— this as a horrific incident. inese e— this as a horrific incident. there are a number of locations nee— there are a number of locations nere in— there are a number of locations here in nottingham that are being— here in nottingham that are being looked— here in nottingham that are being looked at— here in nottingham that are being looked at really closely. ene— being looked at really closely. ene ei— being looked at really closely. ene ei enen— being looked at really closely. one of them is— being looked at really closely. one of them is milton street , one of them is milton street, ine— one of them is milton street, ine esnee— one of them is milton street, ine einer is— one of them is milton street, the other is ilkeston road . and the other is ilkeston road. and the other is ilkeston road. and ine eesen— the other is ilkeston road. and the reason that— the other is ilkeston road. and the reason that we're talking eiens— the reason that we're talking eiens inese— the reason that we're talking about those really is because iney-re— about those really is because iney-re eve— about those really is because they're two connecting roads. inis— they're two connecting roads. inis is— they're two connecting roads. inis is sign— they're two connecting roads. this is right here— they're two connecting roads. this is right here in the city senie— this is right here in the city centre, milton— this is right here in the city centre, milton street, where inses— centre, milton street, where inses iring— centre, milton street, where buses bring people in and out of the buses bring people in and out of ine siiy— buses bring people in and out of ine siiy rer— buses bring people in and out of the city for work— buses bring people in and out of the city for work or— buses bring people in and out of the city for work or for ieisnre— the city for work or for leisure, depending on why iney-re— leisure, depending on why they're coming— leisure, depending on why they're coming into nottingham. but they're coming into nottingham. nne iiresien— they're coming into nottingham. but ilkeston road— they're coming into nottingham. but ilkeston road forks off of , but ilkeston road forks off of, of mansfield— but ilkeston road forks off of, of mansfield road which, which sennessi ie— of mansfield road which, which connects to milton street. so inis— connects to milton street. so inis eee— connects to milton street. so inis is— connects to milton street. so this area is essentially one ieng— this area is essentially one ieng reei. — this area is essentially one ieng reei. se— this area is essentially one long road. so you can understand why— long road. so you can understand vny inese-s— long road. so you can understand why there's such— long road. so you can understand why there's such a— long road. so you can understand why there's such a tension on

inese— why there's such a tension on these number— why there's such a tension on these number of— why there's such a tension on these number of roads here in ine— these number of roads here in ine siiy— these number of roads here in the city centre— these number of roads here in the city centre .— these number of roads here in the city centre . the disruption the city centre. the disruption ieiring— the city centre. the disruption we're talking about in nottingham- we're talking about in nottingham today is significant. the nottingham today is significant. ine iesei— nottingham today is significant. the local tram _ nottingham today is significant. the local tram service, which neiiingnen— the local tram service, which nottingham heralds as a ieniesiis— nottingham heralds as a fantastic part— nottingham heralds as a fantastic part of the city, is seneieieiy— fantastic part of the city, is completely suspended in and out of completely suspended in and out ei ine— completely suspended in and out ei ine siiy— completely suspended in and out ei ine siiy. se— completely suspended in and out of the city. so we— completely suspended in and out of the city. so we know that it reeiiy— of the city. so we know that it really disrupted— of the city. so we know that it really disrupted the way that eeeeie— really disrupted the way that eeeeie — really disrupted the way that people were getting in and out of people were getting in and out ei ine— people were getting in and out ei ine siiy. — people were getting in and out of the city. well,— people were getting in and out of the city. �*vajwicc of the city. well, i'm sorry to i'm sorry to interrupt you will. well, we're just we want to explain to our our viewers at home and also, if you're listening on the radio, so we're seeing an image here of the debns seeing an image here of the debris on the main road. this is on ilkeston road. this is the site where two people were found, as the police describe, deadin found, as the police describe, dead in the street at 2 a.m. initially, we presumed sorry, two at four. thank you, andrew. initially we presumed they were stabbed. we are now looking at these pictures. it's easy to conclude these two were conclude that these two were also hit by by this van. we don't know exactly what we're looking at. there are white items , green, red. the chances items, green, red. the chances are this could be paramedics. motty aerial resources that we

use on these people. it could also be, of course, the possessions of the individual because, of course, we they found these two bodies in ilkeston, which we can see on television with this debris on on the street . they were then on the street. they were then seiiei— on the street. they were then seiiei re — on the street. they were then called to milton— 1“ they were then called to milton street nearby vnere— called to milton street nearby vnere ine— called to milton street nearby where the van— called to milton street nearby where the van had attempted to run over three— where the van had attempted to run over three people. so we had essnrnei— run over three people. so we had essnrnei iner— run over three people. so we had assumed that the— run over three people. so we had assumed that the large knife iner— assumed that the large knife in es— assumed that the large knife that was removed from the van, vnisn— that was removed from the van, vnisn ee— that was removed from the van, which are eyewitness was telling us, was more than— which are eyewitness was telling us, was more than a size of a rer— us, was more than a size of a fee gener— us, was more than a size of a ier eeeer sene— us, was more than a size of a ier eeeer .— us, was more than a size of a for paper cane . and then, of for paper cane. and then, of iney— for paper cane. and then, of course, they found a further eesen— course, they found a further eesen ieei— course, they found a further person dead in— course, they found a further person dead in magdala road who may— person dead in magdala road who rney eise— person dead in magdala road who ney eise nev— person dead in magdala road who may also now perhaps have been sensi— may also now perhaps have been sirnsr ny— may also now perhaps have been sirnsr iy ine— may also now perhaps have been struck by the van.— may also now perhaps have been struck by the van. we are neering— struck by the van. we are hearing from _ struck by the van. we are hearing from mark white, who is our hearing from mark white, who is nene— hearing from mark white, who is nene eni— hearing from mark white, who is our home and security editor nes— our home and security editor ne-s ieing— our home and security editor he's being told— our home and security editor he's being told that the police are he's being told that the police nei— he's being told that the police are not regarding— he's being told that the police are not regarding at this stage. we are not regarding at this stage. vie nnse— are not regarding at this stage. we must insert— are not regarding at this stage. we must insert that caveat . this we must insert that caveat. this is e— we must insert that caveat. this is e rene— we must insert that caveat. this is a terror related— we must insert that caveat. this is a terror related incident. 31 yeer— is a terror related incident. 31 yeer eii— is a terror related incident. 31 yeer eii nen— is a terror related incident. 31 year old man in— is a terror related incident. 31 year old man in custody having neen— year old man in custody having been ieserei— year old man in custody having been tasered and— year old man in custody having been tasered and dragged out of the been tasered and dragged out of ine ven— been tasered and dragged out of ine nei— been tasered and dragged out of the van not too— been tasered and dragged out of the van not too gently. i hope. ani— the van not too gently. i hope. ani in— the van not too gently. i hope. ani in vnisn— the van not too gently. i hope. and in which case,— the van not too gently. i hope. and in which case, if— the van not too gently. i hope. and in which case, if it- the van not too gently. i hope.

and in which case, if it isn't a terrorist attack, then it does have echoes of the attack in annecy last week in which those three year olds were stabbed at a playground . what did that turn a playground. what did that turn out to be? that turned out to be a man, a failed asylum seeker with clear mental health problems , however you want to problems, however you want to describe that , who went on a describe that, who went on a rampage after divorcing from his wife, not having custody of his children? life had taken a turn and he enacted it in the most horrific way on all of those innocent people . if the police innocent people. if the police are saying this is not a terrorist attack, if these acts carried out at 4:00 in the morning, it's looking very much like it's the same sort of profile. andrew > no confirmation- profile. andrew > no confirmation of- 11“w: > no confirmation of that yet, profile. andrew > no- confirmation of that yet, but iner— confirmation of that yet, but in is— confirmation of that yet, but in is vnei— confirmation of that yet, but that is what we— confirmation of that yet, but that is what we are being told by that is what we are being told iy-very— that is what we are being told iy-very veii— that is what we are being told by very well plugged home by our very well plugged in home sesnriiy— by our very well plugged in home security editor— by our very well plugged in home security editor mark white. do you— security editor mark white. do yen-vnen— security editor mark white. do yen-vnen — security editor mark white. do yen-vnen i— security editor mark white. do you _what? i-alsol you know what? i was also thinking about? been thinking about? we've been discussing the discussing this morning the timing course, what timing of this of course, what i'm is unusual i'm realising is unusual about this situation. is very this situation. there is very little social media footage normally at the moment if something happens, which is a violent, gruesome act in the street online is full of videos

, of images, of photographs immediately, there's very little of this. now could that also be a motivator action if you want to go and harm people but you don't want to be apprehended in the act of doing so? this is probably why this guy was able to enact so much damage, because there would have been few police around, pedestrians, few around, few pedestrians, few people with phones, just a few students coming home from nightclubs, a few individuals in the nottingham area. because just to remind you,— the nottingham area. because just to remind you, this- the nottingham area. because just to remind you, this ,- jwiwcc d because just to remind you, this , this just to remind you, this, this nes— just to remind you, this, this nes inese— just to remind you, this, this has these attacks have taken eiese— has these attacks have taken eiese in— has these attacks have taken eiese in ine— has these attacks have taken place in the heart of university ieni— place in the heart of university ieni viii— place in the heart of university land will hollis— place in the heart of university land will hollis is— place in the heart of university land will hollis is there in neiiingnen— land will hollis is there in nottingham forest's gb news regener— nottingham forest's gb news regener viii— nottingham forest's gb news reporter will, are— nottingham forest's gb news reporter will, are you are you in iiresien— reporter will, are you are you in ilkeston road— reporter will, are you are you in ilkeston road now. are you near ilkeston— in ilkeston road now. are you near ilkeston road . / in ilkeston road now. are you near ilkeston road . j/wi? 1“ near ilkeston road. yeah. so igni— near ilkeston road. yeah. so right where we are now is the city centre. it's where there's a load of buses. it's right next to the biggest shopping centre in nottingham .victoria to the biggest shopping centre in nottingham . victoria centre in nottingham. victoria centre for people watching. they might remember victoria centre as

being the old train station. this road, though is called milton street, so there are a number of streets in nottingham that police have got cordons on milton street in particular is the one where they've said that a man ran into a van. pardon me, ran into three people. now those three people are believed to be in hospital being cared for. east midlands ambulance service have said that they've been responding and working with the police and making sure that these people have gone to hospital safely. but they say that this is , of course, an that this is, of course, an ongoing incident now. but what you can see actually, andrew, is this street milton street leads on to another street called mansfield road without giving you too much of the geography of nottingham and then off of mansfield road, that leads to ilkeston street. now ilkeston street is the one where police have said that they found two people dead in the streets in the same sort of area as well. you can say that's where magdala street is and magdala street is where they found another person

dead. so ilkeston road , which i dead. so ilkeston road, which i think pictures you're seeing pictures of right now, that's where police say two people were found dead . and the police have found dead. and the police have said that they have arrested a man on suspicion of murder after three people were found dead in the city. you can possibly hear in the background the bells of nottingham city calling an hour. i'm actually not sure what the houris i'm actually not sure what the hour is right now, but but you can hear in the background the city is still buzzing. it is still going around its regular day . there are lots of people day. there are lots of people behind my camera that are sitting and just watching and trying to understand what's happened to make happened and trying to make sense happened . and of sense of what's happened. and of course, is disruption as course, there is disruption as well nottingham city. well here in nottingham city. this road here, mansfield road and milton road, it's one of the biggest routes in and out of the city. nottingham city transport east railway service east midlands railway service and nottingham express transit that run the trams . they're all that run the trams. they're all saying that they're taking each other's tickets so if you can't

get home or into the city through one route, then you can get out of the city get in and out of the city through another route. there are a number police cordons here a number of police cordons here today, is just one of today, but this is just one of them. this is milton street, where see in the where you can see in the background that there are two police cars just of police cars just outside of mcdonald's, which based mcdonald's, which is based inside of victoria centre, the city's biggest shopping centre. you also see in the you can also see in the background a couple of police officers and this cordon here stretches maybe 50 to stretches on for maybe 50 to 100m and then you can see in the far background that's where the police cordon ends , is here police cordon ends, is here really in nottingham ? well, if really in nottingham? well, if i can just ask you , we- really in nottingham? well, if i can just ask you , we were- can just ask you, we were veisning— can just ask you, we were watching live— can just ask you, we were watching live pictures of ilka siene— watching live pictures of ilka siene neei— watching live pictures of ilka stone road, which is where there ive — stone road, which is where there ive eeeeie— stone road, which is where there were two people killed on the sneer— were two people killed on the street .— were two people killed on the street . signs.— were two people killed on the street . right. and we could see street. right. and we could see ieiris— street. right. and we could see ieiris .— street. right. and we could see debris . there's— street. right. and we could see debris . there's clearly an area debris. there's clearly an area vnere— debris. there's clearly an area vnere ingest— debris. there's clearly an area where impact has— debris. there's clearly an area where impact has been made . where impact has been made. inese— where impact has been made. inese ee— where impact has been made. there are items— where impact has been made. there are items which could be eereneiis— there are items which could be paramedic resources. there are items which could be paramedic resources . they could, paramedic resources. they could, of paramedic resources. they could, ei ie— paramedic resources. they could, of course, be the— paramedic resources. they could, of course, be the possessions of iniiviineis— of course, be the possessions of individuals who— of course, be the possessions of individuals who sadly lost their iives. — individuals who sadly lost their iives. is— individuals who sadly lost their lives. is there _ individuals who sadly lost their lives. is there anything similar on lives. is there anything similar en iiiiien— lives. is there anything similar on milton street— lives. is there anything similar on milton street where you are,

vnere— on milton street where you are, vnere ve— on milton street where you are, where we know— on milton street where you are, where we know that did run where we know that a van did run . newn— where we know that a van did run . nevn snee— where we know that a van did run . down three people— where we know that a van did run . down three people . . down three people. to be nenesi1— . down three people. to be nenesi nei— . down three people. to be honest, not from where i can see right now in the background behind me. it's a completely open street where people are still walking to my to my right hand side. you'll see a load of journalists lined up with their cameras. but here, where i can see, there's the police cordon to two police cars , two police to two police cars, two police officers, but nothing like that that i officers, but nothing like that thati can officers, but nothing like that that i can see right now. i'm just scanning the area , but i just scanning the area, but i can't see anything to do with paramedic material or anything like, for example, smashed glass just from where i'm seeing . but just from where i'm seeing. but i'm sure there will be police evidence that they're looking at. it might just be something might not be something that i can see from exactly where i'm standing. okay. all right. thank you1— standing. okay. all right. thank yen1vviii1— standing. okay. all right. thank yen1vviii1vviii— standing. okay. all right. thank you, will, will hollis— :1“g okay. all right. thank you, will, will hollis there on the you, will, will hollis there on ine — you, will, will hollis there on the scene. tom— you, will, will hollis there on the scene. : you, will, will hollis there on the scene. 1“ the scene. tom harwood in the studio with us, our deputy political editor. we've heard

from rishi sunak already and the leader of the opposition, keir starmer . i leader of the opposition, keir starmer. i think the home secretary is now has has put out a statement. yes. the last a statement. yes. in the last iev— a statement. yes. in the last few ninnies— a statement. yes. in the last few minutes, the— yes. in the last few minutes, the home secretary, sneiie— few minutes, the home secretary, suella braverman,— few minutes, the home secretary, suella braverman, has put out a sieieneni— suella braverman, has put out a statement-social- suella braverman, has put out a statement social media statement on her social media essenni— statement on her social media ssenni seying— statement on her social media account saying i— statement on her social media account saying i am shocked and seiienei— account saying i am shocked and saddened that— account saying i am shocked and saddened that these saying i'm snesrei— saddened that these saying i'm snesrei eni— saddened that these saying i'm shocked and saddened that three eeeeie— shocked and saddened that three eeeeie neve— shocked and saddened that three people have lost— shocked and saddened that three people have lost their lives ieiey— people have lost their lives ieiey in— people have lost their lives today in nottingham. stifle g today in nottingham. my thoughts are today in nottingham. my thoughts vien— today in nottingham. my thoughts are with those affected by this incident. i've spoken to nottinghamshire police chief constable and am receiving their regular updates . i'm thankful to regular updates. i'm thankful to the emergency services for their response . so again, the home response. so again, the home secretary just telling us there that she is in constant communication with the security authorities, services and indeed the police . but ultimately we're the police. but ultimately we're not getting that deeper level of understanding, that deeper level of information at this stage in the investigation. mark, you know , our home— g?jc wiw1“ mark, you know , our home security editor, know, our home security editor, nes— know, our home security editor, ne-s seii— know, our home security editor, he's told been— know, our home security editor, he's told been told by his sources , which,- he's told been told by his sources , which, you know, are sources, which, you know, are evseiieni— sources, which, you know, are excellent, that— sources, which, you know, are excellent, that police at this

siege— excellent, that police at this siege ee— excellent, that police at this siege nei— excellent, that police at this stage are not regarding it as a rene— stage are not regarding it as a terror attack.— stage are not regarding it as a terror attack. now, that won't niiigeie— terror attack. now, that won't mitigate mitigate it for the ieniiies— mitigate mitigate it for the families of— mitigate mitigate it for the families of the— mitigate mitigate it for the families of the people who've iesi— families of the people who've iesi enen— families of the people who've lost their lives— families of the people who've lost their lives and are injured . it lost their lives and are injured lie viii— lost their lives and are injured lie viii ie— lost their lives and are injured .-it will belrelief- lost their lives and are injured . it will be relief that . but it will be a relief that if . but it will be a relief that iilisn-i— . but it will be a relief that iilisn-i e— . but it will be a relief that iflisn't a terror- . but it will be a relief that if isn't a terror attack , it if it isn't a terror attack, it seneiniy— if it isn't a terror attack, it certainly will— if it isn't a terror attack, it certainly will be. jcj�*" wt.wiwc. if it isn't a terror attack, it certainly will be. cj�*“ wt.wiwc. certainly will be. of course, we neve— certainly will be. of course, we have seen in very recent days what has happened in france . what has happened in france. we've seen particularly sometimes terrorism rise around this time of year. sometimes terrorism rise around this time of year . we only need this time of year. we only need to think back to seven, 7 to 9, 11 to other incidents that take place in the summer. it was late may, i think, when it was the london bridge attack. similarly around that time for the westminster bridge attack, these things tend to happen in the summer. so lots of eyebrows. no no doubt raised when we started to learn the first details of this incident. but clearly a relief if this isn't being treated as a terrorist incident . as things stand, although i believe what mark was saying is that could change later on depending on the evidence. but

but it is strange to think about this all happening at around 4 a.m. in the morning. yeah, but when but a.m. in the morning. yeah, but vnen in ii— a.m. in the morning. yeah, but when but if the— a.m. in the morning. yeah, but when but if the van— a.m. in the morning. yeah, but when but if the van was- 1“ “3 yeah, but when but if the van was used as the when but if the van was used as ine rnnrrie— when but if the van was used as the murder weapon _ when but if the van was used as the murder weapon in all three ine— the murder weapon in all three cases, the roads— the murder weapon in all three cases, the roads are clear and he cases, the roads are clear and ne venii— cases, the roads are clear and ne venii rnev1— cases, the roads are clear and he would know, presumably that eense— he would know, presumably that because we are— he would know, presumably that because we are sadly in student neenieni1— because we are sadly in student heartland, that— because we are sadly in student heartland, that there might be seii— heartland, that there might be still students— heartland, that there might be still students coming home late nen— still students coming home late nen e— still students coming home late nen e nigni— still students coming home late from a night out— still students coming home late from a night out. _ still students coming home late from a night out . '1“w: from a night out. certainly. and thatis from a night out. certainly. and that is perhaps what is the most tragic element of this. of course , there is still so much course, there is still so much more to learn. indeed, the identity of the perpetrator , the identity of the perpetrator, the identity of the perpetrator, the identity of the victims is and precisely the nature of what went on in terms of how the three people who sadly lost their lives were killed and indeed those three still in hospital . so perhaps we can hospital. so perhaps we can learn a great deal of information for them. i think it's a it's a very good thing that the police seem to have apprehend. did the suspect alive. yeah. and that will be invaluable in terms of gaining

information which they can then work out if he was a lone lone wolf or was talking to anybody else . we've been talking to else. we've been talking to reser— else. we've been talking to peter bletchley's,- we've been talking to peter bletchley's, former metropolitan _ peter bletchley's, former metropolitan police constable , metropolitan police constable, nne-s— metropolitan police constable, vne-s e— metropolitan police constable, vne-s e greet— metropolitan police constable, who's a great friend of this engen— who's a great friend of this eregren 1— who's a great friend of this eregren 1 eni— who's a great friend of this program , and his own son is a program, and his own son is a seseni— program, and his own son is a seseni yeer— program, and his own son is a second year student at nottingham- second year student at nottingham he's nottingham university. so he's going— nottingham university. so he's geing inrengn— nottingham university. so he's going through what tens of inensenis— going through what tens of thousands of— going through what tens of thousands of other families are going— thousands of other families are geing inrengn— thousands of other families are going through there's going through because there's .eeeee — going through because there'si more -40,000-in more than 40,000 students in neiiingnen— more than 40,000 students ini nottingham _them more than 40,000 students in- nottingham _them have nottingham and many of them have gene— nottingham and many of them have gene-inenr— nottingham and many of them have gene-inenr sei— nottingham and many of them have gone thank god, because gone home. thank god, because enen— gone home. thank god, because ineir-neve— gone home. thank god, because ineir-neve-ie- gone home. thank god, because their-have-to an. their courses have come to an eni— their courses have come to an eni-ii-s— their courses have come to an eni-ii-s geing— their courses have come to an end.-it's going to- their courses have come to an end. it's going to a very end. but it's going to be a very verrying— end. but it's going to be a very worrying-certainly,- end. but it's going to be a very worrying certainly, and it worrying time certainly, and it is-inei— worrying time certainly, and it is-inei iine— worrying time certainly, and it is-that time of- worrying time certainly, and it is that time of year that is around that time of year that courses are coming to an end iner— courses are coming to an end snes-eveen- courses are coming to an end that-expect to- courses are coming to an end that-expect to see i that you will expect to see celebrations— that you will expect to see celebrations late nights. i remember staggering - celebrations late nights. i remember staggering home from university events, very , very university events, very, very peculiar times in the morning . peculiar times in the morning. so yeah, this is this is a really concerning ball tonight at nottingham university whether that will now go ahead if it is in fact students who've been are the victims , then i know huge, the victims, then i know huge, huge questions there and it must be very , very frightening ,

be very, very frightening, frankly. yeah. will the home sesreiery— frankly. yeah. will the home sesreiery ie— frankly. yeah. will the home secretary be going- frankly. yeah. will the home secretary be going to- secretary be going to nottingham, do you think? i venii— nottingham, do you think? i venii ie— nottingham, do you think? i venii is very— nottingham, do you think? i would be very surprised if she didn't. perhaps. if not today , didn't. perhaps. if not today, at the very least, she went get in the way of the investigation. we to get in the way of the we want to get in the way of the investigation. but i that investigation. but i think that whenever events this whenever big events like this happen, tragedies this happen, tragedies like this happen, tragedies like this happen. happen, tragedies like this happen . political leadership is happen. political leadership is very necessary. it's a uniting thing and it's a necessary thing . i would very much expect the home secretary to visit , perhaps home secretary to visit, perhaps even depending on his commitments and what else is happening around the world, perhaps even the prime minister. yeah, just to let you know, if yne— yeah, just to let you know, if ye inning— yeah, just to let you know, if you're tuning in,— yeah, just to let you know, if you're tuning in, if you are one of you're tuning in, if you are one ei inese— you're tuning in, if you are one of those anxious— you're tuning in, if you are one of those anxious parents with sinienis— of those anxious parents with sinienis ei— of those anxious parents with students at university , students at university, nottinghamshire police have issnei— nottinghamshire police have issnei e— nottinghamshire police have issued a statement saying if you neve— issued a statement saying if you neve eny— issued a statement saying if you have any information on this nenin-sg— have any information on this morning's incident or you are concerned about— morning's incident or you are concerned about a family member or concerned about a family member er irieni— concerned about a family member er irieni 1— concerned about a family member or friend , please— concerned about a family member or friend , please call this or friend, please call this ieiiseiei— or friend, please call this dedicated line.- or friend, please call this dedicated line. we've got it on our screen here— dedicated line. we've got it on our screen here it's . 809 610.

our screen here it's. 809 610. 118 our screen here it's. 809 610. is nnnirei— our screen here it's. 809 610. 118 hundred 09610. double one. ani— 118 hundred 09610. double one. ani iner— 118 hundred 09610. double one. ani in is— 118 hundred 09610. double one. and that is the— 118 hundred 09610. double one. and that is the dedicated line to nottinghamshire police . so to nottinghamshire police. so reining— to nottinghamshire police. so reining ns— to nottinghamshire police. so reining ns nev— to nottinghamshire police. so joining us now is— to nottinghamshire police. so joining us now is our political eiiier— joining us now is our political editor darren— joining us now is our political editor darren mccaffrey . good editor darren mccaffrey. good nerning— editor darren mccaffrey. good morning, darren.— editor darren mccaffrey. good morning, darren. yeah good nerning— morning, darren. yeah good morning, bev. _ morning, darren. yeah good morning, bev. hi. live from westminster. and as you said, we've had a lot of political reaction in this morning. in the last hour or so since that news came through, not least of all from the three members of parliament who represent nottingham him in a joint statement . it's pretty statement. it's pretty unprecedented. you get a joint statement, particularly when it is cross—party , but they have is cross—party, but they have said that our city has been devastated by the deaths of three people this morning and our thoughts and prayers are with and ones with the families and loved ones of have died and those of those who have died and those that are injured . and we are that are injured. and we are grateful for the efforts of the city's response city's emergency response leaders in tackling these incidents. they must be allowed to do their jobs in to do theirjobs in investigating them. nottingham is a beautiful city, home to brilliant people from all

backgrounds. we are shaken by today's events, but we will meet them collectively as a community and heal together. so that's a joint statement from nadia whittome , alex norris and lilian whittome, alex norris and lilian greenwood , who are the three greenwood, who are the three nottingham mps. greenwood, who are the three nottingham mps . as clearly we nottingham mps. as clearly we know, the prime minister and the home secretary have been kept informed of what has gone on there in knotty name. there's been an awful lot of speculation about what the motive may well have been. i'm sure they will have been. i'm sure they will have access to greater intelligence than you and i have as the police carry out their investigations. the home investigations. but the home secretary that was secretary saying that she was shocked saddened by what had shocked and saddened by what had gone that she had spoken gone on and that she had spoken to the nottingham chief constable and he's receiving regular updates. we've also had a statement actually from keir starmer , the leader of the starmer, the leader of the opposition in the last couple of minutes as well, in which he says thoughts are with says that his thoughts are with the and friends who've the family and friends who've lost those lost their lives and those injured, saying it is awful injured, saying that it is awful news at this morning and he

wants to thank the police and the emergency services as well. and if you've been reflecting the prime minister, clearly also thanking the police and keeping up to with developments, it up to date with developments, it is always a reminder, i think, as you and have been talking as you and tom have been talking tom harwood ehcr , deputy tom harwood ehcr, deputy political editor , political. political editor, political. it's rather nice to see 3—3 political editor, political. - it's rather nice to see 3—3 mps in ine— it's rather nice to see 3—3 mps in ine siiy— it's rather nice to see 3—3 mps in the city joining— it's rather nice to see 3—3 mps in the city joining forces to put— in the city joining forces to rent e— in the city joining forces to put a statement out to labour eni— put a statement out to labour eni ene— put a statement out to labour and one conservative give an eiseinieiy. — and one conservative give an absolutely. and— and one conservative give an absolutely. and i- and one conservative give an absolutely. '1“w: and one conservative give an absolutely. “w: absolutely. and i think that this is we are seeing just a great deal of unanimity across the political spectrum this morning. the words of keir starmer as darren was reading out, very much echoing the earlier words of the prime minister and indeed home minister and indeed the home secretary, the local mps robert jenrick , who is jenrick, who is a nottinghamshire mp who attends cabinet as well, has put out a statement himself saying , statement himself saying, echoing much the same sentiment . i think i think ultimately at times like these you do see politicians coming together and you do see that sort of sense of

unity across the house of commons. really, this is a city snes-s— commons. really, this is a city inei-s vering— commons. really, this is a city that's waking up— commons. really, this is a city that's waking up in— really, this is a city that's waking up in shock. it's a that's waking up in shock. it's esnerning— that's waking up in shock. it's esnerning 1— that's waking up in shock. it's a charming , lovely student city. a charming, lovely student city. ani— a charming, lovely student city. ani iney-re— a charming, lovely student city. and they're waking up to the resi— and they're waking up to the iesi inree — and they're waking up to the fact three people have been senseiessiy— fact three people have been senselessly slain before 5 a.m. in ine— senselessly slain before 5 a.m. in the morning. _ senselessly slain before 5 a.m. in the morning. '1“w: c senselessly slain before 5 a.m. in the morning. “w: c in the morning. and it is just. ani— in the morning. and it is just. ani snee— in the morning. and it is just. and three people— in the morning. and it is just. and three people in— in the morning. “w: c and three people in hospital in it's and three people in hospital in its einesi— and three people in hospital in it's almost otherworldly to look at it's almost otherworldly to look ei ine— it's almost otherworldly to look at the pictures— it's almost otherworldly to look at the pictures of— it's almost otherworldly to look at the pictures of the sun sort of at the pictures of the sun sort ei giisiening— at the pictures of the sun sort of glistening across these residential— of glistening across these residential streets in the nerning. — residential streets in the nerning. ii— residential streets in the morning. c t: residential streets in the- morning. it could be anywhere in the country, really. it could it could be any of our streets. and just to think that something like that has happened in a place that looks so tranquil and frankly idyllic, i mean, is chilling. it is. i mean, look , chilling. it is. i mean, look, our psychiatric— wt.1“ cc “3 it is. i mean, look, our psychiatric services are not fit our psychiatric services are not is rer— our psychiatric services are not is ier enreese— our psychiatric services are not fit for purpose anymore. i was ieiring— fit for purpose anymore. i was ieiring ie— fit for purpose anymore. i was ieiring e e— fit for purpose anymore. i was talking to a doctor this week iner— talking to a doctor this week in seys— talking to a doctor this week in seys ii— talking to a doctor this week that says if you're in a state of that says if you're in a state ei esysnesis— that says if you're in a state of psychosis, you- that says if you're in a state of psychosis, you said, i can no ienger— of psychosis, you said, i can no ienger gei— of psychosis, you said, i can no longer get anybody a psychiatric neit— longer get anybody a psychiatric neie inese. — longer get anybody a psychiatric neie inese. in— longer get anybody a psychiatric help there. i'm not— longer get anybody a psychiatric help there. i'm not making excuses for deranged behaviour. but excuses for deranged behaviour. nne vnei— excuses for deranged behaviour. nne we in— excuses for deranged behaviour. but what i'm saying is there are a but what i'm saying is there are e iee— but what i'm saying is there are e iei ei— but what i'm saying is there are e iei ei eeeeie— but what i'm saying is there are a lot of people at— but what i'm saying is there are a lot of people at the moment vne— a lot of people at the moment vne ee— a lot of people at the moment who are feeling—

a lot of people at the moment who are feeling desperate and sen-i— who are feeling desperate and sent seee— who are feeling desperate and can't cope with— who are feeling desperate and can't cope with life and are enesiing— can't cope with life and are enesiing ii— can't cope with life and are enacting it out— can't cope with life and are enacting it out in violence. we ien-i— enacting it out in violence. we ien-i rnev— enacting it out in violence. we don't know the _ enacting it out in violence. we don't know the details of who inis— don't know the details of who this monster— don't know the details of who this monster is,— don't know the details of who this monster is, who has done inis.— this monster is, who has done inis. a— this monster is, who has done inis. a si— this monster is, who has done inis. a si yeer— this monster is, who has done this. a 31 year old— this monster is, who has done this. a 31 year old gentleman nes— this. a 31 year old gentleman man has been— this. a 31 year old gentleman man has been arrested, as we knew.— man has been arrested, as we knew. vve— man has been arrested, as we knew. we knew— man has been arrested, as we know. we know for a fact. if yne— know. we know for a fact. if ye insi— know. we know for a fact. if you're just joining us, there may— you're just joining us, there rney ie— you're just joining us, there ney ie eeeeie— you're just joining us, there may be people who are just inning— may be people who are just inning in— may be people who are just tuning in now,— may be people who are just tuning in now, just after 11:00, go— tuning in now, just after 11:00, iiiz inis— tuning in now, just after 11:00, 1112 this morning,— tuning in now, just after 11:00, 1112 this morning, a 31 year old man was arrested— 1112 this morning, a 31 year old man was arrested on suspicion of rnnrrie— man was arrested on suspicion of rnnrrie in— man was arrested on suspicion of murder in nottingham following the murder in nottingham following ine ieein— murder in nottingham following ine ieein ei— murder in nottingham following the death of three people in a sieieneni1— the death of three people in a statement, the _ the death of three people in a statement, the police have said iney— statement, the police have said iney vee— statement, the police have said they were called _ statement, the police have said they were called to ilkeston neei— they were called to ilkeston iseei insi— they were called to ilkeston road just after— they were called to ilkeston road just after 4 a.m. where two eeeeie— road just after 4 a.m. where two eeeeie vee— road just after 4 a.m. where two people were found— road just after 4 a.m. where two people were found dead in the street — people were found dead in the street. those— people were found dead in the street. those are— people were found dead in the street. those are the pictures ieering— street. those are the pictures we're looking at— street. those are the pictures we're looking at right at we're looking at right now at iner— we're looking at right now at that location.— we're looking at right now at that location. man was that location. another man was ieier—in— that location. another man was later—in magdala. later found dead in magdala ieei.— later found dead in magdala road. officers— later found dead in magdala road. officers were called to eneiner— road. officers were called to another incident— road. officers were called to another incident on milton sneer— another incident on milton street where _ another incident on milton street where a _ another incident on milton street where a van had attempted to street where a van had attempted e n— street where a van had attempted to run over three— street where a van had attempted to run over three people. all inese— to run over three people. all inese snee— to run over three people. all those three are— to run over three people. all those three are currently in neseiiei— those three are currently in neseiiei .— those three are currently in hospital . chief— those three are currently in hospital . chief constable kate hospital. chief constable kate iieyneii— hospital. chief constable kate iieyneii nes— hospital. chief constable kate meynell has said— hospital. chief constable kate meynell has said that nottinghamshire police police ieiieve— nottinghamshire police police ieiieve ine— nottinghamshire police police believe the three tragic and neniiis— believe the three tragic and horrific incidents are linked at ien— horrific incidents are linked at ien nerveei— horrific incidents are linked at

tom harwood me— horrific incidents are linked at tom harwood me very quickly, the sniei— tom harwood me very quickly, the chief constable,— tom harwood me very quickly, the chief constable, because often the chief constable, because often ine eense— chief constable, because often ine eeiise ee— chief constable, because often the police are criticised for nei— the police are criticised for not communicating long enough and not communicating long enough eni gnisr— not communicating long enough and quick enough,— not communicating long enough and quick enough, but that was a very— and quick enough, but that was a very very— and quick enough, but that was a very very eiegeni— and quick enough, but that was a very, very elegant statement and it very, very elegant statement and ii sene— very, very elegant statement and ii eni— very, very elegant statement and ii eni very— very, very elegant statement and it came out very quickly. c w: w: it came out very quickly. it did eni— it came out very quickly. it did come out quickly. it came out very quickly. c w: w: however , it came out very quickly. c w: w: t wic. wt however , i come out quickly. however, i think come out quickly. however, i ininr iner— come out quickly. however, i think that we— come out quickly. however, i think that we do— come out quickly. however, i think that we do need- t wic. wt however, i think that we do need to eseriseg— think that we do need to recognise that- think that we do need to recognise that this incident did neeeen— recognise that this incident did neeeen in— recognise that this incident did neeeen in ine— recognise that this incident did happen in the very early hours of happen in the very early hours ei ine— happen in the very early hours of the morning.— happen in the very early hours of the morning. and so whilst yes,— of the morning. and so whilst yes in— of the morning. and so whilst yes in reins— of the morning. and so whilst yes, in terms of— of the morning. and so whilst yes, in terms of the time of the eriinery— yes, in terms of the time of the ordinary workday,— yes, in terms of the time of the ordinary workday, that statement eni— ordinary workday, that statement came out quickly.— ordinary workday, that statement came out quickly. there were seveei— came out quickly. there were several hours— came out quickly. there were several hours of— came out quickly. there were several hours of limbo. this nerning— several hours of limbo. this morning when— several hours of limbo. this morning when people knew seneining— morning when people knew something was— morning when people knew something was up in nottingham , something was up in nottingham, but something was up in nottingham, ini ve— something was up in nottingham, in we iiin-i— something was up in nottingham, but we didn't know— something was up in nottingham, but we didn't know precisely vnei— but we didn't know precisely vnei nei— but we didn't know precisely what had happened. but, but just as what had happened. but, but just es eveenery sen— what had happened. but, but just as everyone sort of— what had happened. but, but just as everyone sort of has got into vern— as everyone sort of has got into vein ve— as everyone sort of has got into verr1ve neve— as everyone sort of has got into work, we have now— as everyone sort of has got into work, we have now had this sort of work, we have now had this sort ei greet— work, we have now had this sort of great tranche— work, we have now had this sort of great tranche of— work, we have now had this sort of great tranche of information vnisn— of great tranche of information vnisn nes— of great tranche of information which has been— of great tranche of information which has been very useful to new— which has been very useful to know because— which has been very useful to know because of— which has been very useful to know because of course you don't veni— know because of course you don't veni seesnieiien— know because of course you don't want speculation to— know because of course you don't want speculation to be running, rnnning— want speculation to be running, rnnning evey— want speculation to be running, rnnning evey in— want speculation to be running, running away in incidents like inis. — running away in incidents like inis. ii— running away in incidents like inis. ii esegis— running away in incidents like this. if people are- running away in incidents like this. �*7 1“ “g this. if people are just tuning in or listening on the radio. our own security at home. and security editor matt white, he says his sources tell him that this is not being regarded as a

terror related incident at this stage. and that is an important caveat. were saying tom caveat. tom we were saying tom as . what is interesting, of as well. what is interesting, of vnei— as well. what is interesting, of course, what makes— what is interesting, of course, what makes this quite nnnsnei— course, what makes this quite unusual-there's— course, what makes this quite unusual there's little unusual is there's so little ieeiege— unusual is there's so little footage when— unusual is there's so little footage when we're to footage when we're used to seeing— footage when we're used to seeing violent— footage when we're used to seeing violent acts on the street — seeing violent acts on the street. _there'sl street. normally there's 100 eeeeie—enenes. street. normally there's 100- people_phones. this people with mobile phones. this was people with mobile phones. this ves-ieei— people with mobile phones. this ves-ieei ei— people with mobile phones. this was-dead of night,- people with mobile phones. this was dead of night, the was in the dead of night, the sresr— was in the dead of night, the sresrlievn— was in the dead of night, the crack dawn, really, 4 a.m. crack of dawn, really, 4 a.m. ani— crack of dawn, really, 4 a.m. ani snes-s— crack of dawn, really, 4 a.m. and that's why— crack of dawn, really, 4 a.m. and that's why we've got very ieiie— and that's why we've got very little footage. _ and that's why we've got very little footage. footage little footage. the only footage you little footage. the only footage yen—ves— little footage. the only footage yen—ves eni- little footage. the only footage you—was and we're. you are seeing was and we're evireneiy— you are seeing was and we're evireneiy-ie- you are seeing was and we're extremely-to our- you are seeing was and we're extremely to our viewer extremely grateful to our viewer kene— extremely grateful to our viewer kene-seni— extremely grateful to our viewer kane,-sent this— extremely grateful to our viewer kane,-sent this to- extremely grateful to our viewer kane, sent this to us. he's kane, who sent this to us. he's a kane, who sent this to us. he's e sinieni— kane, who sent this to us. he's e sinieni ei— kane, who sent this to us. he's a student at nottingham university — a student at nottingham university. these exclusive university. these are exclusive iive— university. these are exclusive iive eisinres— university. these are exclusive live pictures to _ university. these are exclusive live pictures to gb news. i ininr— live pictures to gb news. i ininr ve— live pictures to gb news. i think we were— live pictures to gb news. i think we were arguably the first news channel— think we were arguably the first news channel this— think we were arguably the first news channel this morning that had news channel this morning that nei iive— news channel this morning that had live accounts— news channel this morning that had live accounts of what was neeeening— had live accounts of what was neeeening en— had live accounts of what was happening on the— had live accounts of what was happening on the scene. 1“ had live accounts of what was happening on the scene. c. happening on the scene. woken up at happening on the scene. woken up ei sse— happening on the scene. woken up ei sse ey— happening on the scene. woken up ei sse iy vies— happening on the scene. woken up at 530 by what he thought was the sound of gunshots. now it could be that the police did use guns to stop the progress of the van, but equally , it could have van, but equally, it could have been used batons been they used their batons because see the front because we can see the front window of the van has been smashed in more than one place. window of the van has been smaofzd in more than one place. window of the van has been sma of course,)re than one place. window of the van has been sma of course, the han one place. window of the van has been sma of course, the front ne place. window of the van has been sma of course, the front of place. window of the van has been sma of course, the front of the :e. and of course, the front of the van is also pretty much wrecked , which will be as a result of the collision with least the collision with at least

three about. but three people. we know about. but there be no bigger there will be no bigger speculation that. he used speculation than that. he used the the murder weapon and the van as the murder weapon and 31 old man in custody and 31 year old man in custody and tom, what next here for nottingham people? there's this is going to cause a great sense of shock it certainly will do and i think that your point of not having so much footage about the incidents as it took place is perhaps another clue to this not being perhaps treated as a terrorist incident, terrorism likes to make the biggest spectacle possible . they want to spectacle possible. they want to have spectacle possible. they want to neve sevvis— spectacle possible. they want to have crowds and— spectacle possible. they want to have crowds and video- tt they want to have crowds and video footage eni— have crowds and video footage eni eii— have crowds and video footage eni eii ine— have crowds and video footage and all the rest— have crowds and video footage and all the rest of— have crowds and video footage and all the rest of it. but it's neeeening— and all the rest of it. but it's neeeening se— and all the rest of it. but it's happening so early in the nerning— happening so early in the morning with— happening so early in the morning with only really footage of morning with only really footage ei ener— morning with only really footage ei eiier ine— morning with only really footage of after the incident rather enen— of after the incident rather in ine— of after the incident rather than the incidents taking place enenseives— than the incidents taking place themselves. perhaps points to eneiner— themselves. perhaps points to another motivation behind it. vines— another motivation behind it. vvnee iner— another motivation behind it. what that motivation is, whether it's what that motivation is, whether its geng— what that motivation is, whether it's gang related,— what that motivation is, whether it's gang related, whether it's neniei— it's gang related, whether it's neniei iii— it's gang related, whether it's mental ill health, whether it's sineiy— mental ill health, whether it's sineiy e— mental ill health, whether it's simply a random— mental ill health, whether it's simply a random act of evil , we

simply a random act of evil, we do simply a random act of evil, we ie nei— simply a random act of evil, we ie nei inev— simply a random act of evil, we ie nei rnev .— simply a random act of evil, we do not know . but— simply a random act of evil, we do not know . but it is a it is do not know. but it is a it is en— do not know. but it is a it is an interesting— do not know. but it is a it is an interesting point to note inese— an interesting point to note inese iner— an interesting point to note there that perhaps unusually in there that perhaps unusually in ine siss— there that perhaps unusually in the 21st century,— there that perhaps unusually in the 21st century, when everyone nes— the 21st century, when everyone nes e— the 21st century, when everyone has a camera on— the 21st century, when everyone has a camera on them all of the sine— has a camera on them all of the time we— has a camera on them all of the iine1ve ien-i— has a camera on them all of the time, we don't have— has a camera on them all of the time, we don't have that that sen— time, we don't have that that sen ei— time, we don't have that that sort of contemporaneous account reseriei — sort of contemporaneous account reseriei . — sort of contemporaneous account reseriei . ani— sort of contemporaneous account recorded . ' “w: 1“cwitwi3c “£ng recorded. and interestingly, i mean, you know , people who might mean, you know, people who might have been awake at 4:00 this morning who might have some footage on their phone that they don't is relevant, are don't realise is relevant, are probably only just up probably only just waking up around about now or in the next few hours. so the chances are there will more eyewitness there will be more eyewitness accounts of events as the day goes on. and we will of course bnng goes on. and we will of course bring you everything that we know here on gb news throughout the day . i think we know here on gb news throughout the day. i think we may know here on gb news throughout the day . i think we may have know here on gb news throughout the day. i think we may have an eyewitness. we have another eyewitness. we have another eyewitness. this is this is glenn. we're going to talk to somebody who witnessed the events first hand. glenn gritten , who lives in nottingham . good , who lives in nottingham. good morning, glenn. good morning. good morning. thank you so much

for joining us. tell us what you forjoining us. tell us what you know. not forjoining us. tell us what you know . not a lot , really. i know. not a lot, really. i iiin-i— know. not a lot, really. i iiin-i see— not a lot, really. i didn't see anything . i was i didn't see anything. i was i iive— didn't see anything. i was i iive in— didn't see anything. i was i live in sherwood in nottingham. it's live in sherwood in nottingham. is e— live in sherwood in nottingham. is e mrai'o— live in sherwood in nottingham. it's a major road— live in sherwood in nottingham. it's a major road into into the siiy— it's a major road into into the siiy senie— it's a major road into into the city centre and— it's a major road into into the city centre and about 5:00 this nerning— city centre and about 5:00 this nerning1 i— city centre and about 5:00 this morning, i heard— city centre and about 5:00 this morning, i heard a— city centre and about 5:00 this morning, i heard a police car go by eveenery— morning, i heard a police car go by extremely fast. _ morning, i heard a police car go by extremely fast. not too nnnsnei— by extremely fast. not too unusual . all— by extremely fast. not too unusual . all speed on that road unusual. all speed on that road eni— unusual. all speed on that road eni enen— unusual. all speed on that road and then then— unusual. all speed on that road and then then closely followed by eneiner— and then then closely followed by another one.— and then then closely followed by another one. they do actually go by another one. they do actually ge in— by another one. they do actually ge in geis— by another one. they do actually ge in eeirs every— by another one. they do actually go in pairs every now and again ievn— go in pairs every now and again down mansfield— go in pairs every now and again down mansfield road , which is down mansfield road, which is a insy— down mansfield road, which is a insy ieei.— down mansfield road, which is a insy reei. ini— down mansfield road, which is a busy road. but then they just regi— busy road. but then they just ieei en— busy road. but then they just kept on coming— busy road. but then they just kept on coming one after the esnei— kept on coming one after the other straight— kept on coming one after the other straight all the way down inse— other straight all the way down inie ievn. — other straight all the way down into town. and— other straight all the way down into town. and i— other straight all the way down into town. and i just i just senii— into town. and i just i just could easily— into town. and i just i just could easily tweeted, must be seneining— could easily tweeted, must be something major— could easily tweeted, must be something major going on. yeah did something major going on. yeah nii yen— something major going on. yeah nii yen reeiise— something major going on. yeah did you realise just— something major going on. yeah did you realise just how- something major going on. yeah did you realise just how serious an incident it was ? absolutely an incident it was? absolutely not. an incident it was? absolutely nei. ne— an incident it was? absolutely nei. ne nei— an incident it was? absolutely nei. ne1 nei ei— an incident it was? absolutely not. no, not at the— t: c 7 absolutely not. no, not at the time . um, not. no, not at the time. um, its— not. no, not at the time. um, ii-s inse.— not. no, not at the time. um, ii-stnsi. ii— not. no, not at the time. um, it's just. it was— not. no, not at the time. um, it's just. it was just unusual. ine— it's just. it was just unusual. ine enenni— it's just. it was just unusual. the amount of— it's just. it was just unusual. the amount of police cars esineny— the amount of police cars actually going— the amount of police cars actually going down that road at inn— actually going down that road at in iine— actually going down that road at in time ei— actually going down that road at that time of the— actually going down that road at that time of the morning. and it insi— that time of the morning. and it tnsi seniinnei— that time of the morning. and it just continued as— that time of the morning. and it just continued as from the first

iii— just continued as from the first ii i— just continued as from the first one till i left.— just continued as from the first one till i left. well, i didn't ieeve— one till i left. well, i didn't ieeve ny— one till i left. well, i didn't leave my house,— one till i left. well, i didn't leave my house, but i got out of iei— leave my house, but i got out of iei ei— leave my house, but i got out of iei ei ens— leave my house, but i got out of bed at 6:15 and— leave my house, but i got out of bed at 6:15 and they were still going,— bed at 6:15 and they were still geing1 en— bed at 6:15 and they were still geing1 en1e1— bed at 6:15 and they were still going, oh, wow, any ambulances, sienne — going, oh, wow, any ambulances, sienne ora— going, oh, wow, any ambulances, sienne nii yen— going, oh, wow, any ambulances, glenn? did you see— going, oh, wow, any ambulances, glenn? “j w: glenn? did you see many ambulances going towards the scene ? i didn't see any scene? i didn't see any ambulances— scene? i didn't see any ambulances .- t 7 i didn't see any ambulances . the only the only ambulances. the only the only i— ambulances. the only the only cars i saw were— ambulances. the only the only cars i saw were police cars out of cars i saw were police cars out ei ny— cars i saw were police cars out ei rny vinien— cars i saw were police cars out of my window. when did you sense— of my window. when did you realise what— of my window. when did you realise what had— of my window. when did you realise what had happened? sienn— realise what had happened? glenn ? well,— realise what had happened? glenn ? well, i've- realise what had happened? c1cwi 1“ 1“ 7’ well, i've been driving glenn? well, i've been driving esenni— glenn? well, i've been driving around delivering— c1cwi 1“ 7 well, i've been driving around delivering all morning, so around delivering all morning, se i-ve— around delivering all morning, se i-ve insi— around delivering all morning, so i've just been— around delivering all morning, so i've just been constantly iisiening— so i've just been constantly iisiening ie— so i've just been constantly listening to the— so i've just been constantly listening to the radio . jcj“ listening to the radio. oh, i get— listening to the radio. oh, i get yen.— listening to the radio. oh, i get yen. vies-s— listening to the radio. oh, i get you. what's happened. and what's the mood like d and what's the mood like there if ynve— what's the mood like there if ynve i— what's the mood like there if ynve i ien-i— what's the mood like there if you've i don't know if you've encountered— you've i don't know if you've encountered many people to have conversations with,— encountered many people to have conversations with, i would inegine— conversations with, i would imagine - shock. - conversations with, i would imagine shock. t imagine just shock. shock. nei— imagine just shock. shock. nen1 ii— imagine just shock. shock. well, it like _ imagine just shock. shock. well, it like i— imagine just shock. shock. well, it like i said- imagine just shock. t well, it like i said to you, researcher,— well, it like i said to you, researcher, it's— well, it like i said to you, researcher, it's nothing really inn— researcher, it's nothing really in inn— researcher, it's nothing really that that kind— researcher, it's nothing really that that kind of— researcher, it's nothing really that that kind of thing doesn't neeeen— that that kind of thing doesn't neeeen in— that that kind of thing doesn't happen in nottingham that much i knew— happen in nottingham that much i rnev1— happen in nottingham that much i new 1 i— happen in nottingham that much i new 1 i knew— happen in nottingham that much i know , i know we— happen in nottingham that much i know , i know we do the city does know, i know we do the city does neve— know, i know we do the city does neve e— know, i know we do the city does neve e gniie— know, i know we do the city does neve e gniie e— know, i know we do the city does have a quite a reputation , but have a quite a reputation, but it's undeserved— have a quite a reputation, but it's undeserved .— have a quite a reputation, but it's undeserved . so for that to it's undeserved. so for that to neeeen— it's undeserved. so for that to neeeen ins— it's undeserved. so for that to happen this pretty disturbing but happen this pretty disturbing in its— happen this pretty disturbing in its nei—

happen this pretty disturbing but it's not a— happen this pretty disturbing but it's not a regular thing in neiiingnen— but it's not a regular thing in nottingham at— but it's not a regular thing in nottingham at all. �*vajwi : 1“ c nottingham at all. we've i don't inev— nottingham at all. we've i don't know whether you've heard glenn but we we've had confirmation an at the moment that it hasn't been treated as a terrorist attack at this time . it raises attack at this time. it raises mixed feelings that doesn't it? but largely relief particularly for people who might live in nottingham . yeah well, nottingham. yeah well, nottingham— nottingham. yeah well, nottingham is- nottingham. yeah well, nottingham is a- \wwiwcc “cut?" yeah well, nottingham is a diverse city enyvey— nottingham is a diverse city enyvey .— nottingham is a diverse city enyvey . vve— nottingham is a diverse city anyway . we have lots of cultures anyway. we have lots of cultures nee— anyway. we have lots of cultures nere eni— anyway. we have lots of cultures here and everybody gets on. it's not here and everybody gets on. it's nei reeny— here and everybody gets on. it's not really that— here and everybody gets on. it's not really that animosity at enengsi— not really that animosity at amongst religions and everything else amongst religions and everything eise nie— amongst religions and everything else like that. _ amongst religions and everything else like that. so— amongst religions and everything else like that. so for, for seneining— else like that. so for, for something like this to happen, it's something like this to happen, is 1— something like this to happen, is 1 its— something like this to happen, is 1 is e— something like this to happen, it's , it's a one— something like this to happen, it's , it's a one off— something like this to happen, it's , it's a one off incident. it's, it's a one off incident. reen- — it's, it's a one off incident. reen- reen— it's, it's a one off incident. yeah. yeah. and- it's, it's a one off incident. yeah. yeah. and in- it's, it's a one off incident. yeah. / '1“w: 1“ it's, it's a one off incident. yeah. j/wi? 1“ '1“w: 1“ it's, it's a one off incident. - yeah. yeah. and in a way there is some light relief in the idea that it isn't a terrorist cell. i mean, it doesn't exist in nottingham families, does it? and the people who are worrying eiens— and the people who are worrying eiens-its— and the people who are worrying about-it's-studentl about whether it's their student sniiiren— about whether it's their student children involved _ about whether it's their student children involved because of sienn— children involved because of course, glenn, you know, this children involved because of cours this.enn, you know, this children involved because of cours this these jou know, this children involved because of cours this these attacks if, this children involved because of cours this these attacks took; area, this these attacks took eiese— area, this these attacks took eieseline — area, this these attacks took placelthe heart- area, this these attacks took place the heart the place in the heart of the sinieni1— student, student, student accommodation . student, student, student accommodation. student, student, student

accommodation . 1“ j/wi? 1“ student, student, student— accommodation . torfaen yeah . um, accommodation. torfaen yeah. um, i don't think that hopefully there have been many students out and about at that time. there's to be tucked up in bed getting ready for the lessons the next day. yeah yeah, absolutely. let's hope so. glenn glenn, thanks for getting in touch. earlier we talked to you. we talked to our eyewitness, kane brady, who witnessed the incident this morning and supplied our exclusive footage. here's his here's a snippet of our chat with him . this is essentially with him. this is essentially vnn— with him. this is essentially vnei ve— with him. this is essentially what we woke— with him. this is essentially what we woke up— with him. this is essentially what we woke up to,- 1“ this is essentially what we woke up to, some loud , what we woke up to, some loud, inge— what we woke up to, some loud, large commotion,— what we woke up to, some loud, large commotion, heard loads of iengs— large commotion, heard loads of iengs eni— large commotion, heard loads of bangs and then— large commotion, heard loads of bangs and then woke up and we saw a man being— bangs and then woke up and we saw a man being dragged out of a ne— saw a man being dragged out of a ne nin— saw a man being dragged out of a van. we saw him getting tasered. we van. we saw him getting tasered. ne se— van. we saw him getting tasered. ne ne— van. we saw him getting tasered. we saw the police— van. we saw him getting tasered. we saw the police pinning him ievn— we saw the police pinning him ievn es— we saw the police pinning him ievn es ven. — we saw the police pinning him down as well. it— we saw the police pinning him down as well. it was quite, gniie— down as well. it was quite, gniie e— down as well. it was quite, gniie e ssery— down as well. it was quite, quite a scary thing to wake up to quite a scary thing to wake up re se— quite a scary thing to wake up re se eeriy— quite a scary thing to wake up re se eeriy en— quite a scary thing to wake up to so early on in— quite a scary thing to wake up to so early on in the morning. niet— to so early on in the morning. niei vves— to so early on in the morning. niei yenr— to so early on in the morning. what was your first— to so early on in the morning. what was your first thought when you saw that happening? i was just i had not a clue. i 317 i was just i had not a clue. i didn't reeny— just i had not a clue. i didn't reeny inev— just i had not a clue. i didn't really know where it was going to really know where it was going re ge— really know where it was going re ge eense— really know where it was going to go because there wasn't there eniy— to go because there wasn't there eniy e— to go because there wasn't there eniy e iev— to go because there wasn't there was only a few policemen that mere— was only a few policemen that were there at— was only a few policemen that were there at the— was only a few policemen that were there at the scene. i know

iney— were there at the scene. i know iney seiiei— were there at the scene. i know they called for— were there at the scene. i know they called for backup straight evey. — they called for backup straight evey. ani — they called for backup straight evey. ani ne— they called for backup straight away. and the man was away. and the man the man was resisting— away. and the man the man was resisting-se— away. and the man the man was resisting-se i— away. and the man the man was resisting so i didn't resisting arrest. so i didn't inev— resisting arrest. so i didn't knew-i— resisting arrest. so i didn't know-i didn't- resisting arrest. so i didn't know i didn't know resisting arrest. so i didn't know-i didn't know was know what i didn't know what was going— know what i didn't know what was geinglneeeen— know what i didn't know what was going-happen i_ know what i didn't know what was going happen. i didn't know going to happen. i didn't know if going to happen. i didn't know ii-ves— going to happen. i didn't know ii-ves-eni— going to happen. i didn't know if-was-end of- going to happen. i didn't know if-was-end of it,- going to happen. i didn't know if-was-end of it, if. going to happen. i didn't know if was end of it, if it if that was the end of it, if it engeing— if that was the end of it, if it was ongoing what. and kane, was ongoing or what. and kane, you— was ongoing or what. and kane, yen-knife. — was ongoing or what. and kane, yen-knife. iiey- was ongoing or what. and kane, you-knife. they they. you saw the knife. they they retrieved a knife from the van. you us it was the you told us earlier it was the size a for paper. yeah > i'm size of a for paper. yeah > i'm looking back now.— size of a for paper. yeah > i'm looking back now. it- size of a for paper. yeah > i'm looking back now. it was- looking back now. it was even bigger— looking back now. it was even nigger—ii- looking back now. it was even nigger—ii - looking back now. it was even bigger-it was. it. looking back now. it was even bigger it was. it was bigger than that. it was. it was a massive blade— bigger than that. it was. it was a massive blade was huge. and me, me and someone else, when we ne— me, me and someone else, when we ine -iein — me, me and someone else, when we saw the-both looked- me, me and someone else, when we saw the both looked at me, me and someone else, when we saw tother both looked at me, me and someone else, when we saw tother straight looked at me, me and someone else, when we saw tother straight awayzd at me, me and someone else, when we saw tother straight away and each other straight away and were-en— each other straight away and were-en ny— each other straight away andj we're-oh my-tell each other straight away and- we're-oh my-tell me we're like, oh my god. tell me eiens— we're like, oh my god. tell me about ilkeston road. kane if you're familiar with that, that's the first place where two people were found dead in the street at a.m. is that a place street at 4 a.m. is that a place that plenty bars, pubs, that has plenty of bars, pubs, etcetera on it ? um, yeah, it etcetera on it? um, yeah, it iees— etcetera on it? um, yeah, it iees neve— etcetera on it? um, yeah, it iees neve e— etcetera on it? um, yeah, it does have a few— etcetera on it? um, yeah, it does have a few ,- etcetera on it? um, yeah, it does have a few , but- t 1“ c7’ um, yeah, it does have a few , but it'll be does have a few, but it'll be more houses— does have a few, but it'll be more houses .— does have a few, but it'll be more houses. it— does have a few, but it'll be more houses. it was does have a few, but it'll be more houses . it was where more houses. it was where someone i know- more houses. it was where someone i know it was, um, there a someone i know it was, um, there e nense— someone i know it was, um, there e nense in— someone i know it was, um, there e nense in iesi— someone i know it was, um, there a house in last year— someone i know it was, um, there a house in last year was on the eni— a house in last year was on the eni ei— a house in last year was on the eni ei inn— a house in last year was on the end of that road.— a house in last year was on the end of that road. that road was so end of that road. that road was se ii-n— end of that road. that road was se ii-n ie— end of that road. that road was so it'll be quite— end of that road. that road was so it'll be quite a— end of that road. that road was so it'll be quite a lot of sinienis— so it'll be quite a lot of students living there. so i'm nei— students living there. so i'm nei seying— students living there. so i'm nei seying ii— students living there. so i'm not saying it is,— students living there. so i'm not saying it is, but it will be ire— not saying it is, but it will be iire neyie— not saying it is, but it will be like maybe people walking home. i'm like maybe people walking home. i-n nei— like maybe people walking home. in nei ieeve— like maybe people walking home. i'm not 100% sure. _ like maybe people walking home.

i'm not 100% sure. .jw�*j. 1“ i'm not 100% sure. milton snees.— i'm not 100% sure. milton street. this is the place on which a van tried to run down on three individuals. we understand that they are all in hospital . that they are all in hospital. are you familiar with milton street? yes, are you familiar with milton street ? yes, i'm are you familiar with milton street? yes, i'm familiar are you familiar with milton street ? yes, i'm familiar with street? yes, i'm familiar with the street? yes, i'm familiar with he sen— street? yes, i'm familiar with he sen ei— street? yes, i'm familiar with the sort of area.— 7 yes, i'm familiar with the sort of area. yeah, i know. as the sort of area. yeah, i know. is i— the sort of area. yeah, i know. is i seii— the sort of area. yeah, i know. as i said before,— the sort of area. yeah, i know. as i said before, i— the sort of area. yeah, i know. as i said before, i know nottingham— as i said before, i know nottingham is very student area, but nottingham is very student area, in vnen— nottingham is very student area, in vnen ne— nottingham is very student area, but when the police van i can iiiereiiy— but when the police van i can iiiereny ii— but when the police van i can iiiereny ii i— but when the police van i can literally if i open— but when the police van i can literally if i open my window i— literally if i open my window i sen— literally if i open my window now i can see— literally if i open my window now i can see i— literally if i open my window now i can see i can see the, the inn— now i can see i can see the, the in ie— now i can see i can see the, the van that the attacker was in and vnen— van that the attacker was in and vnen ne— van that the attacker was in and when the armed— van that the attacker was in and when the armed police were here sireigni—gei— when the armed police were here sireigni—gei ner- when the armed police were here straight got her thing straight away they got her thing on straight away they got her thing en ne— straight away they got her thing en ine-seying— straight away they got her thing on the saying that on the radio saying that they neei— on the radio saying that they neeilneei— on the radio saying that they need-head back- on the radio saying that they need head back to milton need to head back to milton sneer.— need to head back to milton street.-don't- need to head back to milton street. don't know. i don't street. so i don't know. i don't inev— street. so i don't know. i don't rnev evesiiy— street. so i don't know. i don't know exactly what— street. so i don't know. i don't know exactly what happened here. — know exactly what happened mere-ire- know exactly what happened there. _like .was. know exactly what happened there. like was very there. seemed like it was very severe . some— there. seemed like it was very severe . some-are. there. seemed like it was very. severe . some-are now severe. some people are now describing it on online as a van ramp age, which i've never heard that expression before, suggesting the killer used suggesting that the killer used the van as as as the murder weapon , as opposed to the huge weapon, as opposed to the huge knife that the police retrieved. well, it is evocative , isn't it, well, it is evocative, isn't it, as some of these incidents that we've earlier or in the we've seen earlier or in the previous decade , around 2015, previous decade, around 2015, 16, 17, there were lots of attacks with with vans and with

cars in germany and in france . cars in germany and in france. and this became a bit of a and this becanfe a bit of a bit and this became a bit of a bit of and this became a bit of a bit ei e— and this became a bit of a bit ei e rene— and this became a bit of a bit of a terror weapon. of course, ins— of a terror weapon. of course, ins is— of a terror weapon. of course, ins is nei— of a terror weapon. of course, this is not being— of a terror weapon. of course, this is not being treated as a ienerisi— this is not being treated as a terrorist incident— this is not being treated as a terrorist incident in nottingham, but it does sort of neve— nottingham, but it does sort of neve inn— nottingham, but it does sort of have that that— nottingham, but it does sort of have that that evocative feeling of have that that evocative feeling ei see— have that that evocative feeling ei ei— have that that evocative feeling of some of those— have that that evocative feeling of some of those incidents that we viii— of some of those incidents that we viii en— of some of those incidents that we will all remember of the sennen— we will all remember of the german christmas market or or or ei— german christmas market or or or ei inese— german christmas market or or or some of those incidents in nense— some of those incidents in france as well. _ some of those incidents in france as well. i- some of those incidents in france as well. i suppose is a sve— france as well. i suppose is a ive renne— france as well. i suppose is a ive ienne ven— france as well. i suppose is a two tonne van, just lump of mere— two tonne van, just lump of metal moving— two tonne van, just lump of metal moving at— two tonne van, just lump of metal moving at speed is iengerens— metal moving at speed is dangerous. anyone's hands. i stink— dangerous. anyone's hands. i think its— dangerous. anyone's hands. i think the reason _ dangerous. anyone's hands. i think the reason it— dangerous. anyone's hands. i think the reason it also- dangerous. anyone's hands. i think the reason it also these incidents chill us so much is because we are all allowed to drive around cars and they all have the potential to enact violence and harm and death on individuals and yet we do it every day. there are thousands of them, millions of them on roads around the world. and so when something which is meant, which potential to cause

which has the potential to cause harm, predominantly does harm, but predominantly does not, used in this way, it is not, is used in this way, it is very chilling. i think it's very disturbing because it makes you really consider how vulnerable we all are walking around on streets and how vulnerable we are to the acts of a deranged individual who's just, you know, lost all sense of rational, normal behaviour. is the flipping normal behaviour. is the nieeing ei— normal behaviour. is the flipping of that- t is the flipping of that expectation of the flipping of that expectation of he eitesi. — flipping of that expectation of the object. it's— flipping of that expectation of the object. it's the it's the niene— the object. it's the it's the mundane and— the object. it's the it's the mundane and the ordinary that sniieniy— mundane and the ordinary that suddenly becomes something so sinister— suddenly becomes something so sinisier .— suddenly becomes something so sinisier. i— suddenly becomes something so sinister. i suppose— suddenly becomes something so sinister. i suppose it's why its— sinister. i suppose it's why it's somehow— sinister. i suppose it's why it's somehow more chilling serneiirnes— it's somehow more chilling sometimes to— it's somehow more chilling sometimes to read about cases nie— sometimes to read about cases iire inese— sometimes to read about cases like these where— sometimes to read about cases like these where someone's used a like these where someone's used e nenseneii— like these where someone's used a household implement to as a rnnrrie— a household implement to as a rnnrrie eeenvve— a household implement to as a murder weapon rather than eernees— murder weapon rather than perhaps something that was iesignei— perhaps something that was iesignei rer— perhaps something that was designed for that purpose. yeah, eiseinieiy— designed for that purpose. yeah, eiseinieiy. — designed for that purpose. yeah, eiseinieiy . i— designed for that purpose. yeah, absolutely. i think— designed for that purpose. yeah, absolutely . “

we can describe— you're listening on the radio, we can describe it to you. but nee-s— we can describe it to you. but nere-s ne— we can describe it to you. but here's the map.— we can describe it to you. but here's the map. if— we can describe it to you. but here's the map. if you're veisning— here's the map. if you're watching, this- here's the map. if you're watching, this is where these insiienis— watching, this is where these incidents took _ watching, this is where these incidents took place. three eeeeie— incidents took place. three eeeeie-yen- incidents took place. three eeeeie-yen es- incidents took place. three people you as you incidents took place. three- people _you as you know, people dead as you as you know, if yne— people dead as you as you know, if ye insi— people dead as you as you know, if you're just joining us, three eeeeie— if you're just joining us, three people-hospital— if you're just joining us, three people hospital were struck people in hospital were struck by ins— people in hospital were struck by inis nnse— people in hospital were struck by this white van. c wic. by this white van. it's quite encry— by this white van. it's quite tricky to see this. we've done this quite quickly. so this is the third venue. this is milton street we're looking at there. thatis street we're looking at there. that is where we understand that's the second venue. that's where three people all were run down. i don't know if we can go to the beginning of that graphic again, just so that we can give people an idea they're they're in have no in hospital, but we have no indication yet about the extent of their injuries. so that red dot there you're looking at, that's ilkeston road. that's where we know that two people were found dead in the street at about 4 a.m. that's where we saw the footage on the debris on the road in the middle of the road. the actually the second venue inn— the actually the second venue in ne— the actually the second venue in we knew— the actually the second venue that we know was— the actually the second venue that we know was the site of nern — that we know was the site of nern is— that we know was the site of nern is ins— that we know was the site of harm is this one. 1“ .jw�*j. harm is this one. this is milton street. that's where the van

tried to run down three people. and then we have the third venue, which was magdala road, where one more man was killed . where one more man was killed. and it's quite hard at the moment to work out the distances. what i would be interested to know is how far those locations are from one another. how soon could the van driver get from ilkeston road to milton street and then on to magdala road? is this something that could have happened over a short space of 5 or 10 minutes, in which case the police would have been in hot pursuit as was confirmed by our witness, glen or quite separate those or are they quite separate those locations nottingham locations around the nottingham area ? the regardless the police area? the regardless the police were under serious pressure to stop this guy. and the footage we're looking at here is where they successfully did and all credit to the police. yeah, and they do. credit to the police. yeah, and iney ie. we— credit to the police. yeah, and they do. we forget— credit to the police. yeah, and they do. we forget how- wt.twiw: c wt.wi yeah, and they do. we forget how brave a job they do. we forget how brave a tee iney— they do. we forget how brave a tee iney ie— they do. we forget how brave a tee iney ie iey— they do. we forget how brave a job they do day in, day out, inning— job they do day in, day out, eniiing ineir— job they do day in, day out, putting their lives at risk. now:— putting their lives at risk. nev1 in— putting their lives at risk. nev1 in ie— putting their lives at risk. now, in the last few minutes, sir now, in the last few minutes, sir keir— now, in the last few minutes, sir keir starmer,— now, in the last few minutes, sir keir starmer, the labour ieeien— sir keir starmer, the labour ieeier1-nei— sir keir starmer, the labour leader,-had this- sir keir starmer, the labour leader, had this to say leader, has had this to say eiens— leader, has had this to say eiens ne— leader, has had this to say about the emergency incident in

neiiingnen— about the emergency incident in neiiingnen .— about the emergency incident in nottingham . oh— about the emergency incident in nottingham . oh we don't have it, nottingham. oh we don't have it, ien.— nottingham. oh we don't have it, ien. inere— nottingham. oh we don't have it, ien. inere ve— nottingham. oh we don't have it, tom. there we go.— nottingham. oh we don't have it, tom. there we go. _ nottingham. oh we don't have it, tom. there we go. 1“witwi gwiw tom. there we go. there we go. we've got a tweet. this is from keir starmer. he says, awful news from nottingham this morning. my thoughts are with the family and friends of those who've lost their lives , those who've lost their lives, those injured and the people of nottingham. thank you to the police emergency police and the emergency services as they respond to this terrible incident. i can remember, tom, going back to the 27th general election, which theresa lost, having theresa may nearly lost, having started election far ahead , started the election far ahead, there were a number of if you remember, there were a couple of terror attacks. and often in inese— terror attacks. and often in those occasions— terror attacks. and often in those occasions ,- terror attacks. and often in those occasions , the- t and often in those occasions , the prime those occasions, the prime minister— those occasions, the prime ninisier ei— those occasions, the prime minister of the— those occasions, the prime minister of the day, the incumbent— minister of the day, the- incumbent-because incumbent benefits because they seneiei— incumbent benefits because they senirei en— incumbent benefits because they control all the— incumbent benefits because they control all the security lives. ini— control all the security lives. nne en— control all the security lives. nne en ins— control all the security lives. but on this occasion it was very ieneging— but on this occasion it was very damaging because— but on this occasion it was very damaging because cuts in damaging because of the cuts in the damaging because of the cuts in he eense— damaging because of the cuts in the police numbers. i think. i stink— the police numbers. i think. i think ii— the police numbers. i think. i think if there— the police numbers. i think. i think if there had— the police numbers. i think. i think if there had been- the police numbers. i think. i think if there had been one terrorist excuse me, terrorist attack excuse me, dunng terrorist attack excuse me, during election period, during that election period, perhaps theresa may would have had that rally around the flag effect. what a what a terrible ining— effect. what a what a terrible ining ie— effect. what a what a terrible ining re neve— effect. what a what a terrible thing to have struck- wi;�*"�*"wiwt.c what a what a terrible thing to have struck this senniry— thing to have struck this country. let's— thing to have struck this country. let's all come iegeiner. — country. let's all come together. this- country. let's all come together. this stuff happens

once in a blue— together. this stuff happens once in a blue moon. but when it iees— once in a blue moon. but when it iees1ien— once in a blue moon. but when it iees1ien sen— once in a blue moon. but when it does,.all sort of— once in a blue moon. but when it does, all sort of unite the does, we all sort of unite the iesi— does, we all sort of unite the iesi inn— does, we all sort of unite the fact that there _ does, we all sort of unite the fact that there were yeah fact that there were two. yeah seve — fact that there were two. yeah seve -ei— fact that there were two. yeah gave _of sense- fact that there were two. yeah gave of sense that the gave a sort of sense that the gevernneni— gave a sort of sense that the government that— gave a sort of sense that the government that had control government that had lost control had government that had lost control nei iesi— government that had lost control nei iesi ies— government that had lost control had lost its grip.— government that had lost control had lost its grip. and it came inring— had lost its grip. and it came inring inn— had lost its grip. and it came during that leadership, during inn— during that leadership, during inei generei— during that leadership, during that general election at a point vnen— that general election at a point vnen ne— that general election at a point when the quality— that general election at a point when the quality of theresa ney-s— when the quality of theresa may's leadership were being gnesiienei— may's leadership were being questioned, there had been the iesisien— questioned, there had been the iesisien ie— questioned, there had been the decision to not— questioned, there had been the decision to not attend the party ieeiers— decision to not attend the party leaders debate— decision to not attend the party leaders debate from theresa may. she leaders debate from theresa may. sne seni— leaders debate from theresa may. she sent amber— leaders debate from theresa may. she sent amber rudd to the then neme— she sent amber rudd to the then nerne sesreiery— she sent amber rudd to the then home secretary in— she sent amber rudd to the then home secretary in her place and mere— home secretary in her place and here vee— home secretary in her place and there were questions in terms of new— there were questions in terms of new sne— there were questions in terms of new sne sen— there were questions in terms of how she sort of— there were questions in terms of how she sort of came across in ie— how she sort of came across in he neiie— how she sort of came across in the media, the— how she sort of came across in the media, the term the maybot ieing— the media, the term the maybot was being used— the media, the term the maybot was being used repeatedly in reins— was being used repeatedly in teens ei— was being used repeatedly in terms of how— was being used repeatedly in terms of how theresa may was not eiie— terms of how theresa may was not eiie ie— terms of how theresa may was not eiie re se— terms of how theresa may was not able to so elegantly— terms of how theresa may was not able to so elegantly or smoothly severi— able to so elegantly or smoothly srevveri in— able to so elegantly or smoothly srevveri in e— able to so elegantly or smoothly crowbar in a soundbite in the way— crowbar in a soundbite in the vey iei— crowbar in a soundbite in the way that perhaps her predecessors, particularly tony iieir— predecessors, particularly tony iieir eni— predecessors, particularly tony blair and david— predecessors, particularly tony blair and david cameron, were eiie— blair and david cameron, were eiie ner— blair and david cameron, were able her record— blair and david cameron, were able her record as— blair and david cameron, were able her record as home sesreiery— able her record as home secretary came under attack iense— secretary came under attack because she'd— secretary came under attack because she'd axed 20,000 police numbers. indeed.— because she'd axed 20,000 police numbers. indeed. and- because she'd axed 20,000 police numbers. indeed. and this was replaced and this was actually a

fascinating point during that general election that i think many people will look back on as perhaps a piece of political bravery from the labour party. the received wisdom would have ieen— the received wisdom would have ieen iei— the received wisdom would have ieen iiei ei— the received wisdom would have ieen iiei ei e— the received wisdom would have been that at a time— the received wisdom would have been that at a time of crisis, say— been that at a time of crisis, sey neining1— been that at a time of crisis, sey neining1 ie— been that at a time of crisis, say nothing, do not appear that yne— say nothing, do not appear that ye geing— say nothing, do not appear that ye geing ie— say nothing, do not appear that you're going to be— say nothing, do not appear that you're going to be attacking the gevernneni— you're going to be attacking the government just— you're going to be attacking the government just when people nigii— government just when people nigii ie— government just when people might be experiencing that rally esenni— might be experiencing that rally erenni iie— might be experiencing that rally around the flag— might be experiencing that rally around the flag effect. but insieei— around the flag effect. but instead what— around the flag effect. but instead what the labour party did instead what the labour party iii—iie— instead what the labour party did the government did was attack the government ieiriy— did was attack the government ferry—iese- fairly soon after these terrorist— fairly soon after these terrorist attacks against all of the terrorist attacks against all of iie nerns— terrorist attacks against all of iie ei— terrorist attacks against all of the norms of politics, against all the norms of politics, against en ei— the norms of politics, against en ei viei— the norms of politics, against all of what sort— the norms of politics, against all of what sort of polite sesieiy— all of what sort of polite society would - all of what sort of polite society would perhaps expect it. ani— society would perhaps expect it. ani i— society would perhaps expect it. ani i inni— society would perhaps expect it. and i think that— society would perhaps expect it. and i think that that that ieiiniieiy— and i think that that that definitely played into their ienis. — definitely played into their ienis. iiey— definitely played into their hands. they were able to perhaps at hands. they were able to perhaps ei e— hands. they were able to perhaps ei e rnrneeni— hands. they were able to perhaps at a moment and— hands. they were able to perhaps at a moment and perhaps this was not at a moment and perhaps this was nei e— at a moment and perhaps this was nei e nei— at a moment and perhaps this was nei e nei en— at a moment and perhaps this was not a not an admirable or noble iiing— not a not an admirable or noble iiing ie— not a not an admirable or noble ining re neve— not a not an admirable or noble thing to have done— not a not an admirable or noble thing to have done at a time vien— thing to have done at a time vien iie— thing to have done at a time when the country— thing to have done at a time when the country was in enng— when the country was in mourning, at— when the country was in mourning, at a time when perhaps nennei— mourning, at a time when perhaps normal political— mourning, at a time when perhaps normal political rules were snseeniei— normal political rules were suspended and— normal political rules were suspended and people were pared iesi— suspended and people were pared iesr1 iie— suspended and people were pared back, the labour— suspended and people were pared back, the labour party to come out back, the labour party to come eni viii— back, the labour party to come eni viin snsn— back, the labour party to come out with such an— back, the labour party to come out with such an attack on gevernneni— out with such an attack on government policy so soon was

eerieis— government policy so soon was perhaps questionable in terms of iev— perhaps questionable in terms of new iiings— perhaps questionable in terms of how things were _ perhaps questionable in terms of how things were done. but sieeriy— how things were done. but clearly effective and perhaps to eiign— clearly effective and perhaps to eiign viii— clearly effective and perhaps to eiign viin e— clearly effective and perhaps to align with a point— clearly effective and perhaps to align with a point about about iev— align with a point about about new rer— align with a point about about how far security— align with a point about about how far security services had ieen— how far security services had been stretched.— how far security services had been stretched. and of course iiey-ve— been stretched. and of course iney-ve gei— been stretched. and of course they've got those— been stretched. and of course they've got those 20,000 police eiiiser— they've got those 20,000 police officer numbers— they've got those 20,000 police officer numbers back. but of 1 e iei— officer numbers back. but of course , a lot of— officer numbers back. but of course , a lot of them aren't course, a lot of them aren't experienced. they're very young and inexperienced. but we saw with the way apprehended with the way they apprehended this suspect , they just do this suspect, they just do a brilliant job. ithink this suspect, they just do a brilliant job. i think we're going— brilliant job. i think we're geing ie— brilliant job. i think we're geing re see— brilliant job. i think we're going to see keir- cc i think we're going to see keir starmer ieiring— going to see keir starmer ieiring ne1— going to see keir starmer talking now, commenting on this insiieni. — talking now, commenting on this insiieni. ins— talking now, commenting on this incident. this is— talking now, commenting on this incident. this is what he had to sey. — incident. this is what he had to sey. -iere— incident. this is what he had to sey. -iere viii- incident. this is what he had toj say. _here will probably say. people here will probably be seeing the news filtering through. and i don't think we sien— through. and i don't think we can start this— through. and i don't think we can start this session- 3 and i don't think we can start this session without eni— can start this session without out acknowledging that there has ieen— out acknowledging that there has ieen e— out acknowledging that there has been a serious— out acknowledging that there has been a serious incident in neiiingien— been a serious incident in nottingham this morning . nottingham this morning. information— nottingham this morning. information still coming information is still coming risengn— information is still coming inrengn1 ini— information is still coming through, but it's just been reeenei— through, but it's just been reported that— through, but it's just been reported that three people have iesi— reported that three people have iesi ieii— reported that three people have lost their lives.— reported that three people have lost their lives. so— reported that three people have lost their lives. so i'm sure i seeei— lost their lives. so i'm sure i seeei rer— lost their lives. so i'm sure i speak for everybody in this room in seying— speak for everybody in this room in seying iner— speak for everybody in this room in saying that we'd— speak for everybody in this room in saying that we'd like to just seni— in saying that we'd like to just seni en— in saying that we'd like to just send our thoughts to all those eiiesiei— send our thoughts to all those affected and— send our thoughts to all those affected and to— send our thoughts to all those affected and to the emergency

servises— affected and to the emergency servises vie— affected and to the emergency services who are _ affected and to the emergency services who are responding to ins— services who are responding to iiis es— services who are responding to iiis es ve— services who are responding to this as we speak.— services who are responding to this as we speak. so i think we viii— this as we speak. so i think we viii gei— this as we speak. so i think we viii gei ie— this as we speak. so i think we will get to tech,— this as we speak. so i think we will get to tech, obviously, in insi— will get to tech, obviously, in tnsi e— will get to tech, obviously, in tnsi e rnrneeni— will get to tech, obviously, in just a moment .— will get to tech, obviously, in just a moment. but i just think vien— just a moment. but i just think vien iiere-s— just a moment. but i just think when there's something that serious happening in nottingham, we serious happening in nottingham, ve insi— serious happening in nottingham, ve tnsi neei— serious happening in nottingham, ve tnsi neei ie— serious happening in nottingham, we just need to acknowledge it. as i— we just need to acknowledge it. as i sey— we just need to acknowledge it. as i sey1 seni— we just need to acknowledge it. as i say, send our— we just need to acknowledge it. as i say, send our thoughts to iese— as i say, send our thoughts to iiese tier— as i say, send our thoughts to those that affected and those that are affected and ieni— those that are affected and thank those— those that are affected and thank those responding thank those that are responding to thank those that are responding ie—ei— thank those that are responding ie—ei eii— thank those that are responding ie—ei en ei- thank those that are responding to_of all of us.- to it on behalf of all of us. ievii— to it on behalf of all of us. david amess_ to it on behalf of all of us. david amess sir- to it on behalf of all of us. david amess sir keir starmer reseeniing— david amess sir keir starmer reseeniing ie— david amess sir keir starmer responding to this emergency siineiien— responding to this emergency situation _thisl situation in nottingham this nerning. — situation in nottingham this nerning. ii— situation in nottingham this morning. �*7 twi; situation in nottingham this morning. twi; �*7 situation in nottingham this morning. �*7 twi twi; morning. if you're if you're just joining us at 1131 on tuesday morning, we had a very busy news agenda planned for this morning. we're going to talk about covid inquiry. talk about the covid inquiry. we're to talk about rishi we're going to talk about rishi sunak boris johnson at war. sunak and boris johnson at war. and then event happens which and then an event happens which casts shade and casts all of that into shade and frankly, irrelevant right casts all of that into shade and franibecause irrelevant right casts all of that into shade and franibecause there vant right casts all of that into shade and franibecause there are right casts all of that into shade and franibecause there are three now because there are three families currently families who are currently grieving. another grieving. there are another three hospital , three individuals in hospital, while at the moment, all in the city centre of nottingham, very much a student area. we're looking at map here, three looking at the map here, three main , ilkeston road, main locations, ilkeston road, milton street, magdalen road . we milton street, magdalen road. we spoke to peter bleksley earlier , former police officer. we

actually spoke to him because we wanted to know his opinions as a police officer. it turns out he has a son who's in the second year of nottingham university and his wife was on the phone trying very hard to track him down. will not alone. down. he will not be alone. there are nearly how many over 40,000 students in nottingham. 40,000 students in nottingham. 40,000 them 40,000 students, many of them have gone home already because the ended. but tonight is the term's ended. but tonight is the term's ended. but tonight is the nottingham _ wi1“w:wiw: but tonight is the nottingham university graduation— the nottingham university graduation -,- the nottingham university graduation , the big graduation ball, the big premiere— graduation ball, the big premiere event of the year. so iiere-n— premiere event of the year. so iiere-n ie— premiere event of the year. so there'll bellot_ premiere event of the year. so there'll bellot of— premiere event of the year. so there'll be lot of young men there'll be a lot of young men eni— there'll be a lot of young men and women .there. - there'll be a lot of young men and women there. what and women still there. what a iregeiy. — and women still there. what a iregeiy. vines— and women still there. what a tragedy. what a— and women still there. what a tragedy. what a shame. what a shame. because it does turn shame. because if it does turn out any of victims out that any of these victims are students, have little are students, i have little doubt that that event will probably be cancelled. and that is devastating for all of those all of those students who've worked really hard for 3 or 4 years. it's no comment yet from either of the universities , either of the universities, which i find a little a little disappointing. i can't there's trent and nottingham. that's right. and i feel like in an area which is so heavily populated with students , i can't populated with students, i can't help but feel we're we're

probably imminently going to have a statement from those universities. of course it is complicated if it does turn out, there are students who've lost their lives. have the families been informed? have they been able track the loved able to track down the loved ones? they been able to ones? have they been able to confirm the identity of these young people? this is not a simple situation for any of the emergency services and the authorities which are involved. yeah , earlier we spoke with yeah, earlier we spoke with seniriige— yeah, earlier we spoke with seniriige .— yeah, earlier we spoke with cambridge . now he provided the cambridge. now he provided the nest— cambridge. now he provided the most extraordinary footage, einsive— most extraordinary footage, exclusive - of - most extraordinary footage, exclusive of the arrest exclusive footage of the arrest at exclusive footage of the arrest ei iie— exclusive footage of the arrest at the moment.— exclusive footage of the arrest at the moment. they arrested the snseesi— at the moment. they arrested the snseesi vie-s— at the moment. they arrested the suspect who's now— at the moment. they arrested the suspect who's now in custody, iie— suspect who's now in custody, iie si— suspect who's now in custody, iie si yeer— suspect who's now in custody, the 31 year old— suspect who's now in custody, the 31 year old man . suspect who's now in custody, the 31 year old man. he suspect who's now in custody, the 31 year old man . he was the 31 year old man. he was fining— the 31 year old man. he was filming literally— the 31 year old man. he was filming literally outside his ieireen— filming literally outside his bedroom window, having been veien— bedroom window, having been veien ne— bedroom window, having been veien ne ei— bedroom window, having been woken up at 5:30— bedroom window, having been woken up at 5:30 a.m. by what he iiengii— woken up at 5:30 a.m. by what he iiengii es— woken up at 5:30 a.m. by what he thought was the _ woken up at 5:30 a.m. by what he thought was the sound of gnnsieis— thought was the sound of gunshots. they may well have ieen— gunshots. they may well have ieen ve— gunshots. they may well have been we don't— gunshots. they may well have been we don't know. here's a iiiiie— been we don't know. here's a iiiiie iii— been we don't know. here's a iiiiie iii ei— been we don't know. here's a little bit of what— been we don't know. here's a little bit of what he said to inis— little bit of what he said to inis is— little bit of what he said to us. 1“ little bit of what he said to- us. this is essentially what we woke up to, some loud , large woke up to, some loud, large commotion, heard loads of bangs and then woke up and we saw a man being dragged out of a van. we saw him getting tasered. we

saw the police pinning him down as well. it was quite, quite a scary thing to wake up to so early on in the morning. what was your first thought- 1“ “3 what was your first thought when you tier— was your first thought when you saw that happening? i was just i had saw that happening? i was just i nei nei— saw that happening? i was just i nei nei e— saw that happening? i was just i had not a clue. i didn't know where it was going to go because there wasn't there only there wasn't there was only a few policemen that were there at the scene. they called the scene. i know they called for backup straight away. and the was resisting the man the man was resisting arrest. so i didn't know what i didn't what was going to didn't know what was going to happen. know if that happen. i didn't know if that was end of it, if it was was the end of it, if it was ongoing or what. and kane, you saw the knife. they they reirievei — saw the knife. they they retrieved a _ saw the knife. they they retrieved a knife- 1“ �*"wi they they retrieved a knife from the �*"wi they they retrieved a knife from the van. ren— retrieved a knife from the van. ren ieii— retrieved a knife from the van. you told-earlier— retrieved a knife from the van. you told-earlier it- retrieved a knife from the van. you told earlier it was the you told us earlier it was the sie— you told us earlier it was the size-ai— you told us earlier it was the size-as eeeen — you told us earlier it was the size a4 paper. yeah size of a4 paper. yeah i'm ieering— size of a4 paper. yeah i'm looking back— size of a4 paper. yeah i'm looking back now. it was even bigger that. it was. it was bigger than that. it was. it was a massive blade. was huge. and me, me and someone when we me, me and someone else, when we saw , both looked at saw the knife, both looked at each other straight away and we're my god. tell me we're like, oh, my god. tell me about road. kane we're like, oh, my god. tell me about road . kane if about ilkeston road. kane if you're familiar— about ilkeston road. kane if you're familiar with- 7: kane if you're familiar with that, tier-s— you're familiar with that, iiei-s iie— you're familiar with that, that's the first- you're familiar with that, that's the first place where two eeeeie— that's the first place where two eeeeie — that's the first place where two people were found dead in the sneer— people were found dead in the sneer-en.— people were found dead in the sneer-en. is— people were found dead in the street-a.m. is that- people were found dead in the street a.m. is that a place street at 4 a.m. is that a place iei— street at 4 a.m. is that a place iiei ies— street at 4 a.m. is that a place in nes eieniy— street at 4 a.m. is that a place that has plenty of— street at 4 a.m. is that a place that has plenty of bars, pubs, eiseiere— that has plenty of bars, pubs, eiseiere en— that has plenty of bars, pubs, etcetera on it?— that has plenty of bars, pubs, etcetera on it? um, yeah , it

etcetera on it? um, yeah, it iees— etcetera on it? um, yeah, it iees neve— etcetera on it? um, yeah, it iees ieve e— etcetera on it? um, yeah, it does have a few,- etcetera on it? um, yeah, it does have a few, but it'll be more houses. _ does have a few, but it'll be more houses. it— does have a few, but it'll be more houses. c twi; more houses. it was where someone i know it was their house in last year was on the end of that road. that road was. so it'll be quite a lot of students living there. so i'm not saying it is, but it will be like maybe people walking home. i'm not 100% sure. milton street. this— i'm not 100% sure. milton street. this is— i'm not 100% sure. milton street. this is the- �*00�*513 twi milton street. this is the place on viisn— street. this is the place on viisn e— street. this is the place on viisn e ven— street. this is the place on which a van tried to run down inee— which a van tried to run down three individuals.— which a van tried to run down three individuals. we understand that three individuals. we understand iiei iey— three individuals. we understand iiei iiey ee— three individuals. we understand that they are all— three individuals. we understand that they are all in hospital. are— that they are all in hospital. are yen— that they are all in hospital. are you familiar— that they are all in hospital. are you familiar with milton sneer— are you familiar with milton sneer e — are you familiar with milton sneer e in— are you familiar with milton street ? c street? i'm familiar with the sort of area . yeah, i know. as sort of area. yeah, i know. as i said before, i know nottingham is very student area, but when in the police van i can literally if i open a window now i can see, i can see the, the van that the attacker was in. and when the armed police were here straight away they a here straight away they got a thing saying that thing on the radio saying that they to head back to milton they need to head back to milton street. so i don't know i don't know exactly what happened there. it was there. it seemed like it was very severe. was kane very severe. so that was kane brady. the eyewitness brady. that was the eyewitness iei— brady. that was the eyewitness iiei seere — : that was the eyewitness that spoke exclusively to us insi— that spoke exclusively to us tnsi e— that spoke exclusively to us tnsi e iiiiie—

that spoke exclusively to us just a little while ago. '1“w: just a little while ago. and gei— just a little while ago. and we've got we've— just a little while ago. and we've got we've got- just a little while ago. and we've got we've got another eyewitness now, we can now eyewitness now, so we can now speak charlie burley. speak to charlie burley. charlie, . have we got charlie, morning. have we got charlie, morning. have we got charlie ? we we're i'm here. charlie? we we're i'm here. we're talking to charlie. yes. morning, charlie. tell us what you saw. good morning . good you saw. good morning. good morning. yeah, well, i mean, i live about five minutes down the road from magdala road, which is, of course, where we now know one of the bodies was found. i live in sherwood, which is a very— live in sherwood, which is a very sneii— live in sherwood, which is a very small, tight— live in sherwood, which is a very small, tight knit community,- very small, tight knit community, very quiet at about goo— community, very quiet at about goo ins— community, very quiet at about 5:20 this morning,— community, very quiet at about 5:20 this morning, i was everenei— 5:20 this morning, i was awakened by— 5:20 this morning, i was awakened by the sound of just an eiseinie— awakened by the sound of just an absolute cacophony of sirens. ani— absolute cacophony of sirens. ani ii— absolute cacophony of sirens. and it lasted— absolute cacophony of sirens. and it lasted for— absolute cacophony of sirens. and it lasted for what i would say— and it lasted for what i would sey nnsi— and it lasted for what i would sey nnsi ie— and it lasted for what i would say must be about half an hour. it say must be about half an hour. ii es— say must be about half an hour. ii insi— say must be about half an hour. it was just siren— say must be about half an hour. it was just siren after siren, veiisie— it was just siren after siren, vehicle after— it was just siren after siren, vehicle after vehicle heading ievn— vehicle after vehicle heading down mansfield— vehicle after vehicle heading down mansfield road , which is down mansfield road, which is the down mansfield road, which is iie neir— down mansfield road, which is the main road— down mansfield road, which is the main road that connects viere— the main road that connects viere i— the main road that connects viere i iive— the main road that connects where i live in— the main road that connects where i live in sherwood down to negieie— where i live in sherwood down to negieie-ii-s— where i live in sherwood down to magdala-it's about- where i live in sherwood down to magdala it's about five magdala road. it's about five ninnie— magdala road. it's about five ninnie neir— magdala road. it's about five minute walk here. and at minute walk from here. and at iei— minute walk from here. and at tier-yen— minute walk from here. and at tier-yen inev- minute walk from here. and atj that-you know,-no that point, you know, i had no iiee— that point, you know, i had no iiee vnn— that point, you know, i had no idea what was— that point, you know, i had no idea what was going on, of course. _that-ofl course. but in that sort of siineiien— course. but in that sort of situation, assume people are situation, you assume people are ieeiing— situation, you assume people are heading—centre.- heading into the city centre. ini— heading into the city centre.

ini iie— heading into the city centre. but the emergency response, of course , was-only- but the emergency response, of course , was only just down course, was was only just down iie— course, was was only just down iie-nee. — course, was was only just down iie-nee. ani- course, was was only just down the-here. and it's. the road from here. and it's snsn— the road from here. and it's snsnlgniei— the road from here. and it's such quiet peaceful area. such a quiet and peaceful area. it's such a quiet and peaceful area. its-es— such a quiet and peaceful area. ii-s-es e— such a quiet and peaceful area. ii-s-es e inge— such a quiet and peaceful area. it's as a huge shock to it's come as a huge shock to eveenery— it's come as a huge shock to eveenery tier— it's come as a huge shock to everyone that lives here. all iie—senise- everyone that lives here. alli the—course, that the residents, of course, that iive— the residents, of course, that iive-eni— the residents, of course, that live-and-meanl live nearby and yeah, mean eveenery— live nearby and yeah, mean everyone shocked and everyone is shocked and devastated _ everyone is shocked and devastated by- everyone is shocked and devastated by the news, of course. so _you i devastated by the news, of- course. so _you spring course. so what did you spring out course. so what did you spring eni ei— course. so what did you spring eni ei iei— course. so what did you spring out of bed and— course. so what did you spring out of bed and look out the vinieve — out of bed and look out the window? what— out of bed and look out the window? what did- out of bed and look out the window? w: w: w:w1:w out of bed and look out the- window? what did you do, charlie ? yeah, exactly that. _ window? what did you do, charlie ? yeah, exactly that. so- window? w: w: w:w1:w 7’ yeah, exactly that. so the ? yeah, exactly that. so the risi— ? yeah, exactly that. so the first seneie— ? yeah, exactly that. so the first couple of— 7’ yeah, exactly that. so the first couple of sirens i heard , first couple of sirens i heard, i first couple of sirens i heard, i iiengii— first couple of sirens i heard, i thought, okay,— first couple of sirens i heard, i thought, okay, you know, tier-s— i thought, okay, you know, that's, that's,— i thought, okay, you know, that's, that's, that's normal. ren— that's, that's, that's normal. ren rini— that's, that's, that's normal. ren nini ei— that's, that's, that's normal. you kind of expect that maybe not you kind of expect that maybe nei-neniey— you kind of expect that maybe not monday night. you know, not on a monday night. you know, neiiingien— not on a monday night. you know, neiiingien-e— not on a monday night. you know, nottingham a vibrant nottingham is a is a vibrant sinieni— nottingham is a is a vibrant student-it's- nottingham is a is a vibranti student-it's-at student city, but it's more at iie— student city, but it's more at the weekends— student city, but it's more at the weekends-to. student city, but it's more at the weekends to get student city, but it's more at- the weekends-to get the the weekends you tend to get the energensy— the weekends you tend to get the emergency vehicles— the weekends you tend to get the emergency vehicles going into ievn.— emergency vehicles going into ievn. ini— emergency vehicles going into town. but became apparent town. but it became apparent ener— town. but it became apparent ester—vesn-i- town. but it became apparent after—wasn't justi town. but it became apparenti after—wasn't just a after that that it wasn't just a seneie— after that that it wasn't just a seneie ei— after that that it wasn't just a couple of vehicles. this was ieens— couple of vehicles. this was dozens .vehicles.- couple of vehicles. this was dozens vehicles. and could dozens of vehicles. and i could iie— dozens of vehicles. and i could iie iine— dozens of vehicles. and i could see the blue lights flashing risengn— see the blue lights flashing inrengn ny— see the blue lights flashing through my curtains. i could see the through my curtains. i could see iie sen— through my curtains. i could see iie sen ei— through my curtains. i could see the sort of the— through my curtains. i could see the sort of the gap— through my curtains. i could see the sort of the gap between the nesiing— the sort of the gap between the nesiing-ei— the sort of the gap between the flashing of course, that flashing lights. of course, that veie— flashing lights. of course, that were-sei— flashing lights. of course, that woke-satlbed- flashing lights. of course, that woke-satlbed for. woke me up. i sat in bed for eieni— woke me up. i sat in bed for about-minutes- woke me up. i sat in bed for about minutes just hearing about ten minutes just hearing the about ten minutes just hearing iie-geing— about ten minutes just hearing iie-geing eii— about ten minutes just hearing the-going off and- about ten minutes just hearing the going off and going the sirens going off and going off the sirens going off and going eii eni— the sirens going off and going eii eni geing— the sirens going off and going off and going off. and i esineny— off and going off. and i actually messaged my girlfriend off and going off. and i ac'6 ally messaged my girlfriend off and going off. and i ac'6 a.m.nessaged my girlfriend off and going off. and i ac'6 a.m. sayinged my girlfriend off and going off. and i ac'6 a.m. saying something'iend off and going off. and i ac'6 a.m. saying something major at 6 a.m. saying something major nnsi—erenni- at 6 a.m. saying something major must—around here. must be happening around here iense— must be happening around here because never heard an because i have never heard an energensy— because i have never heard an emergency response like this. it

because i have never heard an emelike cy response like this. it because i have never heard an emelike something; like this. it because i have never heard an emelike something else this. it because i have never heard an emelike something else .:his. it because i have never heard an emelike something else . you it was like something else. you inev— was like something else. you knew-insi— was like something else. you know,-just never- was like something else. you know, just never heard know, i've just never heard nie— know, i've just never heard sirens like.in_ know, i've just never heard sirens like in my life. sirens like it in my life. sieriie— sirens like it in my life. charlie we're- sirens like it in my life. charlie we're all worrying that it charlie we're all worrying that i ney— charlie we're all worrying that i rney ie— charlie we're all worrying that is ney ie ins— charlie we're all worrying that it may be this was targeted at sinienis— it may be this was targeted at students because _ it may be this was targeted at students because student land is neeriy— students because student land is neeriy eni— students because student land is nearby and sometimes students es-sey1— nearby and sometimes students es-sey1 ii-s— nearby and sometimes students es-sey1 is e- nearby and sometimes students are, as say, it's a vibrant are, as you say, it's a vibrant sinieni— are, as you say, it's a vibrant sinieni siiy— are, as you say, it's a vibrant student city, busier at the veerenis. — student city, busier at the weekends. are- student city, busier at the weekends. 'twi c1“witwi student city, busier at the- weekends. are there many student bars in that area ? no. this is bars in that area? no. this is the interesting— bars in that area? no. this is the interesting thing- 1“ 1?twi1?7’ no. this is the interesting thing about eieni— the interesting thing about about mapperley park and magdala ieei— about mapperley park and magdala iseei is— about mapperley park and magdala iseei is its— about mapperley park and magdala iseei is its nei— about mapperley park and magdala road is it's not it's— about mapperley park and magdala road is it's not it's a quiet residential— road is it's not it's a quiet residential area.- road is it's not it's a quiet residential area. and it's esineny— residential area. and it's actually out— residential area. and it's actually out of the city centre. ren— actually out of the city centre. ren venii — actually out of the city centre. you would have— actually out of the city centre. you would have to— actually out of the city centre. you would have to perhaps make a ten you would have to perhaps make a ien ninnie— you would have to perhaps make a ten minute journey— you would have to perhaps make a ten minute journey out of the siiy— ten minute journey out of the siiy senie— ten minute journey out of the city centre via _ ten minute journey out of the city centre via via— ten minute journey out of the city centre via via a vehicle to esineny— city centre via via a vehicle to esineny gei— city centre via via a vehicle to actually get there. _ city centre via via a vehicle to actually get there. so it's not in ie— actually get there. so it's not in iie siiy— actually get there. so it's not in the city centre— actually get there. so it's not in the city centre itself, which is viy1 — in the city centre itself, which is viy1 ei— in the city centre itself, which is why, of course,— in the city centre itself, which is why, of course, for the resiienis— is why, of course, for the residents living around here, it's residents living around here, its-snsn— residents living around here, ii-s-snsn e- residents living around here, it's-such a shock. residents living around here, it's such a shock . but it's come as such a shock. but neiiingien— it's come as such a shock. but nottingham course is a nottingham of course is a massive-city- nottingham of course is a. massive-citnyou massive student city as you neniienei— massive student city as you mentioned, and— massive student city as you mentioned, and a lot of the ines— mentioned, and a lot of the routes heading— mentioned, and a lot of the routes heading out of the city senie— routes heading out of the city centre are back— routes heading out of the city centre are back to areas that eeenieiei— centre are back to areas that are populated by— centre are back to areas that are populated by students . are populated by students. ynve— are populated by students. you've-fields. are populated by students. you've fields just you've got forest fields just ievn— you've got forest fields just ievn-ieei— you've got forest fields just down-road-here,l down the road from here, ereieiiy— down the road from here, probably-ten- down the road from here,- probably-ten minute probably about a ten minute vein—inge- probably about a ten minute walk, huge student walk, which is a huge student nee-lir— walk, which is a huge student ereelii is— walk, which is a huge student ereelii is 1— walk, which is a huge student eree1liiis1yen— walk, which is a huge student area. it is , you know, it's area. so it is, you know, it's nei— area. so it is, you know, it's nei nnnsnei— area. so it is, you know, it's not unusual to— area. so it is, you know, it's not unusual to see students

veiring— not unusual to see students walking home— not unusual to see students walking home at 5 a.m. or tennis— walking home at 5 a.m. or perhaps getting an e—scooter iesi— perhaps getting an e—scooter iesr. ren— perhaps getting an e—scooter back. you know,— perhaps getting an e—scooter back. you know, it's very, very common in nottingham because, as you common in nottingham because, as yen sey— common in nottingham because, as yen sey1 ii— common in nottingham because, as yen sey1 ii is— common in nottingham because, as yen sey1 ii is e— common in nottingham because, as you say, it is a student city eni— you say, it is a student city eni e— you say, it is a student city eni e iei— you say, it is a student city eni e iei ei— you say, it is a student city and a lot of these students do go and a lot of these students do ge-ine— and a lot of these students do ge-ine veer— and a lot of these students do go-the week as- and a lot of these students do go the week as well . and a lot of these students do go the week as well go out in the week as well. so, enerne.— go out in the week as well. so, sieriie1ere— go out in the week as well. so, charlie, are you— go out in the week as well. so, charlie, are you a— go out in the week as well. so, charlie, are you a student at the university? no, i'm not. no, i'm the university? no, i'm not. no, in e— the university? no, i'm not. no, in e geei— the university? no, i'm not. no, in e geei ien— the university? no, i'm not. no, i'm a good ten years— c11“ cae7’ no, i'm not. no, i'm a good ten years beyond that siege— i'm a good ten years beyond that siege in— i'm a good ten years beyond that siege in my— i'm a good ten years beyond that stage in my life. _ i'm a good ten years beyond that stage in my life. jcj

like and who would be walking out the streets at what out onto the streets at what sort of time? well, it would as you— sort of time? well, it would as yen sey— sort of time? well, it would as yen sey1 ii— sort of time? well, it would as you say, it would— c 1“wi7 well, it would as you say, it would largely be sinienis— you say, it would largely be sinienis. i— you say, it would largely be students. i think main students. i think the main nniversiiy— students. i think the main university club— students. i think the main university club nights tend to students. i think the main uni\betweenib nights tend to students. i think the main uni\ between sort ghts tend to students. i think the main uni\ between sort ofts tend to students. i think the main uni\between sort of mondayo students. i think the main uni\between sort of monday and run between sort of monday and iinrsiey— run between sort of monday and thursday-various— run between sort of monday and thursday various different thursday at various different ieseiiens— thursday at various different locations within— thursday at various different locations within the city seni-e — locations within the city centre. imagine that sort of centre. i imagine that sort of eveni— centre. i imagine that sort of event senii— centre. i imagine that sort of event could be— centre. i imagine that sort of event could be closing at 4 or 5 in ie— event could be closing at 4 or 5 in iie nerning— event could be closing at 4 or 5 in the morning. which of course is esenni— in the morning. which of course is erenni iie— in the morning. which of course is around the time— in the morning. which of course is around the time when we know iei— is around the time when we know iiei iese— is around the time when we know that these events— is around the time when we know that these events took place. ani— that these events took place. ani-sey — that these events took place. ani-sey yen— that these events took place. and say, you know, and as i say, you know, nottingham— and as i say, you know, nottingham is it is a student siiy— nottingham is it is a student siiy eni— nottingham is it is a student siiy eni ii-s— nottingham is it is a student city and it's not— nottingham is it is a student city and it's not unusual to see eeeeie— city and it's not unusual to see eeeeie veiring— city and it's not unusual to see people walking home. you know, eeeeie— people walking home. you know, eeeeie ie— people walking home. you know, eeeeie ie ieni— people walking home. you know, people do tend to— people walking home. you know, people do tend to walk home in genes— people do tend to walk home in genes ini— people do tend to walk home in genes in its— people do tend to walk home in groups, but it's not— people do tend to walk home in groups, but it's not unusual to tier— groups, but it's not unusual to iiei ei— groups, but it's not unusual to see that at that— groups, but it's not unusual to see that at that time of nerning. — see that at that time of morning. and- see that at that time of morning. and you would think eenisnieriy— morning. and you would think particularly midweek, there veniin-i— particularly midweek, there wouldn't have— particularly midweek, there wouldn't have been that many eeeeie—veren-il people around who weren't reinrning— people around who weren't returning from _ people around who weren't returning from a night out or eernees— returning from a night out or eernees getting— returning from a night out or perhaps getting up very early if iey— perhaps getting up very early if iiey vee— perhaps getting up very early if they were starting at a particularly— they were starting at a particularly early shift for verr. — particularly early shift for work. charlie,- particularly early shift for work. c“?jtc wi particularly early shift for work. c“?jtc t work. charlie, this is your home. it's there's been a savage, brutal slaying of three people, three people injured in hospital . are you, in a sense, a hospital. are you, in a sense, a shock ? completely, yeah . i my

shock? completely, yeah. i my ieen— shock? completely, yeah. i my ieen ies— shock? completely, yeah. i my heart has been— t7 completely, yeah. i my heart has been racing all nerning— heart has been racing all morning and— heart has been racing all morning and it's nottingham is snsn— morning and it's nottingham is snsn e— morning and it's nottingham is such a supportive— morning and it's nottingham is such a supportive and community inven— such a supportive and community iriven eiese— such a supportive and community driven place and— such a supportive and community driven place and you're only, you— driven place and you're only, yen inev— driven place and you're only, yen rnev1 e— driven place and you're only, you know, a couple of people evey— you know, a couple of people evey ien — you know, a couple of people away from someone, you know eveenery— away from someone, you know eveenery rini— away from someone, you know eveenery nini ei— away from someone, you know everyone kind of knows each eiier— everyone kind of knows each eiier in— everyone kind of knows each eiier in ie— everyone kind of knows each other in the city— everyone kind of knows each other in the city and of course yenr— other in the city and of course yenr fissi— other in the city and of course your first thing— other in the city and of course your first thing is,— other in the city and of course your first thing is, well my god i your first thing is, well my god i ieie— your first thing is, well my god i ieee its— your first thing is, well my god i neee ii-s ne— your first thing is, well my god i hope it's no one,— your first thing is, well my god i hope it's no one, but i know tier-s— i hope it's no one, but i know iiei-s ieen— i hope it's no one, but i know that's been affected by it. you siesr— that's been affected by it. you siesrlviin— that's been affected by it. you check-with your— that's been affected by it. you check with your friends and check in with your friends and yenr— check in with your friends and yenr ieniiy— check in with your friends and your family, but— check in with your friends and your family, but then, of course, your— your family, but then, of course, your thoughts are with iese— course, your thoughts are with iiese-inei— course, your thoughts are with those _that-been. those people that have been eiiesiei— those people that have been affected. completely affected. and it's completely ievesieiing— devastating for the whole city. it's devastating for the whole city. ii-s—siiy. — devastating for the whole city. ii-s—siiy. ii-s- devastating for the whole city. it's _city. it's not i it's rocked the city. it's not seneiiing— it's rocked the city. it's not- something _experienced something we've ever experienced ieiere. — something we've ever experienced iesese—viii- before. and i'm sure there will be, before. and i'm sure there will ie1-rnev1— before. and i'm sure there will ie1-rnev1-ieysl be, you know, several days nerning— be, you know, several days nerning ie— be, you know, several days morning to _and - be, you know, several days morning to and unity is morning to come. and unity is vnn— morning to come. and unity is viei ve— morning to come. and unity is viei ve neei— morning to come. and unity is what we need right now. i think the what we need right now. i think ine eeeeie— what we need right now. i think ine eeeeie ei— what we need right now. i think the people of nottingham need to be the people of nottingham need to ie sneeenive— the people of nottingham need to be supportive and— the people of nottingham need to be supportive and be united in iiis. — be supportive and be united in this. charlie,— be supportive and be united in this. charlie,-seem- be supportive and be united in this. c“?jtc wi c be supportive and be united in. this. charlie,-seem like you be supportive and be united in. this. theirlie,-seem like you be supportive and be united in. this. the area-seem like you be supportive and be united in this. c be supportive and be united in this. ?“w: know the area so well and forgive me i'm asking a forgive me if i'm asking a question that you don't really know the detail of, but andrew and were speculating about the and i were speculating about the distance ilkeston distance between ilkeston road, which of the first which was the site of the first event 4 we're looking at event at 4 a.m. we're looking at the map here well. and then the map here as well. and then milton street and magdala road are those three locations fairly

close to each other ? well this close to each other? well this is the concerning thing . no, is the concerning thing. no, they aren't. and this- is the concerning thing. no, they aren't. and this is- no, they aren't. and this is what sensei— they aren't. and this is what sensei snsn— they aren't. and this is what caused such widespread shock ins— caused such widespread shock iiis nerning— caused such widespread shock this morning when we found out the this morning when we found out iie ieseiiens— this morning when we found out the locations within the city, iense— the locations within the city, because those _ the locations within the city, because those streets are not sieseiy— because those streets are not closely located— because those streets are not closely located and you are sereeiing— closely located and you are sereeiing yen— closely located and you are spreading, you know, quite a reiins— spreading, you know, quite a radius around— spreading, you know, quite a radius around the city centre viii— radius around the city centre viin iese— radius around the city centre with those various locations. ani— with those various locations. ani i— with those various locations. ani i inni— with those various locations. and i think when it emerged, viisn— and i think when it emerged, which streets— and i think when it emerged, which streets had been cordoned off which streets had been cordoned eii ins— which streets had been cordoned off this morning,— which streets had been cordoned off this morning, that was one off this morning, that was one ei iie— off this morning, that was one of the reasons— off this morning, that was one of the reasons people were siesrei— of the reasons people were shocked because they were iiinring— shocked because they were thinking, well,— shocked because they were thinking, well, hang on, that's iiere. — thinking, well, hang on, that's over there. that's— thinking, well, hang on, that's over there. that's a good couple of over there. that's a good couple ei niies— over there. that's a good couple ei sniies evey— over there. that's a good couple of miles away over— over there. that's a good couple of miles away over there. so sign— of miles away over there. so rigni vien— of miles away over there. so rigni vien-ii- of miles away over there. so right when-it has- of miles away over there. so right when it has affected right when i say it has affected the right when i say it has affected iie vieie— right when i say it has affected the whole city,— right when i say it has affected the whole city, nottingham isn't a.big_ the whole city, nottingham isn't e-iig-senne- the whole city, nottingham isn't a-big-centre,.it- a very big city centre, so it reeny— a very big city centre, so it reeny ies— a very big city centre, so it reeny ies-e- a very big city centre, so it really has a wide spread really has had a wide spread eiiesi— really has had a wide spread effect around— really has had a wide spread effect around the whole of the sennrieiien— effect around the whole of the conurbation _city. - effect around the whole of the conurbation city. it conurbation of the city. it snggesis— conurbation of the city. it snggesis 1— conurbation of the city. it suggests , doesn't charlie? suggests, doesn't it, charlie? i suggests, doesn't it, charlie? i een— suggests, doesn't it, charlie? i neenlrnev— suggests, doesn't it, charlie? i meanlknow this— suggests, doesn't it, charlie? i meanlknow this is- i mean i know this is speculation, but it suggests that was looking that he was driving, looking randomly victims as. i mean, randomly for victims as. i mean, i wouldn't like to, to comment and speculate on that, of

course. but you know, the intense— wt.wiwc. but you know, the distance suggests that, you knew. — distance suggests that, you knew. reen— distance suggests that, you know. yeah multiple locations eni— know. yeah multiple locations eni yen— know. yeah multiple locations and you would— know. yeah multiple locations and you would think a vehicle nsei— and you would think a vehicle nsei ie— and you would think a vehicle was used to get— and you would think a vehicle was used to get from one ieseiien— was used to get from one location to— was used to get from one location to another. it also esineny— location to another. it also actually, charlie explains now iei— actually, charlie explains now iiei ynve— actually, charlie explains now that you've explained the ereviniiy— that you've explained the ereviniiy 1— that you've explained the ereviniiy 1 ii— that you've explained the proximity , it explains why there proximity, it explains why there were so many police sirens that ve-ve-reeens— were so many police sirens that ve-ve-reeens ei- were so many police sirens that we've reports of because as we've seen reports of because as the we've seen reports of because as iie eense— we've seen reports of because as ine eeiise iei— we've seen reports of because as the police had a— we've seen reports of because as the police had a chase on their ienis1— the police had a chase on their ienis1inis— the police had a chase on their hands, this isn't— the police had a chase on their hands, this isn't like they were inee— hands, this isn't like they were iiree gnisr— hands, this isn't like they were three quick incidents. jcj1“wi three quick incidents. one after the three quick incidents. one after is einsi— three quick incidents. one after the other the space of a the other within the space of a few moments, they were clearly pursuing this for what will pursuing this guy for what will turn out, i imagine, to have been quite a prolonged period of time first incident, time because the first incident, charlie, was at 4:00 and we think they arrested him at random 530. so that was an random at 530. so that was an ieni— random at 530. so that was an iens-e— random at 530. so that was an iens-e ieii— random at 530. so that was an iens-e ieii. — random at 530. so that was an hour-a half . yeah.- random at 530. so that was an hour-a half . yeah. and. random at 530. so that was an hour a half . yeah. and this hour and a half. yeah. and this is again, what a lot of people have been discussing and perhaps , you know, speculating about the timings of the attacks. you know, initially we heard sort of varying reports on that, but it has become apparent that, yeah, this did start at around 4 a.m. and of course, as i say , you and of course, as i say, you know, at 5:20, that is when i heard the sirens and from what i

remember, it must have lasted between 20 minutes to half an houn between 20 minutes to half an hour. and that forces magdala road, which is located just down the from me. so it would the road from me. so it would suggest. yes the timeline that this was a more prolonged spree of . okay. charlie bird , of attacks. okay. charlie bird, insi— of attacks. okay. charlie bird, tnsi iie— of attacks. okay. charlie bird, tnsi ine nest— of attacks. okay. charlie bird, just the most superb- t okay. charlie bird, just the most superb and enisnieie— just the most superb and articulate eyewitness. c“?jtc wi articulate eyewitness. charlie, iienrs— articulate eyewitness. charlie, iienrsier— articulate eyewitness. charlie, thanks for being so forthcoming. and stay safe. you and your family. thank and stay safe. you and your family . thank you very much. you family. thank you very much. you neve— family. thank you very much. you ne-ve gei— family. thank you very much. you ne-ve gei neny— family. thank you very much. you we've got harry miller,— cg thank you very much. you we've got harry miller, former nei— we've got harry miller, former nei eense— we've got harry miller, former met police officer, with us in ie— met police officer, with us in iie siniie— met police officer, with us in the studio this— met police officer, with us in the studio this morning. always ise— the studio this morning. always re— the studio this morning. always re see— the studio this morning. always re yen— the studio this morning. always nice to see you ,_ the studio this morning. always nice to see you , harry. it's nice to see you, harry. it's insi— nice to see you, harry. it's insr e— nice to see you, harry. it's insr e siene— nice to see you, harry. it's just a shame that this, as i'm seeing— just a shame that this, as i'm seeing nis— just a shame that this, as i'm reading this, you— just a shame that this, as i'm reading this, you know, as i'm seeing— reading this, you know, as i'm seeing 1 es— reading this, you know, as i'm seeing 1 es in— reading this, you know, as i'm reading, as i'm reading this outi— reading, as i'm reading this enr1snis1— reading, as i'm reading this out, chris, i'm— reading, as i'm reading this out, chris, i'm thinking i'm sure he's not— out, chris, i'm thinking i'm sure he's not harry, when did you— sure he's not harry, when did yen seeren— sure he's not harry, when did yen seeren re— sure he's not harry, when did you spoken to chris before. but i you spoken to chris before. but i es— you spoken to chris before. but is rinsing— you spoken to chris before. but i was trusting what we'd been ieii— i was trusting what we'd been reii. inr— i was trusting what we'd been reii. in ie— i was trusting what we'd been told. but do you— i was trusting what we'd been told. but do you know what? iveryieiy-s— told. but do you know what? everybody's working against the siesr— everybody's working against the siesn-er— everybody's working against the siesr-er rne — everybody's working against the clock at the moment. i think clock now at the moment. i think geing— clock now at the moment. i think geing re— clock now at the moment. i think we're going to talk— clock now at the moment. i think we're going to talk to you, snns— we're going to talk to you, snns es— we're going to talk to you, chris, as you're— we're going to talk to you, chris, as you're here. i presume rner-s— chris, as you're here. i presume rner-s viy— chris, as you're here. i presume rner-s vny yne— chris, as you're here. i presume that's why you're here. always geei — that's why you're here. always geei re — that's why you're here. always good to see you. _ that's why you're here. always good to see you. shame about the circumstances.— good to see you. shame about the circumstances. what— good to see you. shame about the circumstances. what do you make of circumstances. what do you make er-nnreiiing— circumstances. what do you make of unfolding situation? of this unfolding situation? risin— of this unfolding situation? vein is— of this unfolding situation? well, it's-confusing,-

well, it's very confusing, isn't it? incidents tend to it? like these incidents tend to be, i'm sure notts police are trying frantically to put exactly what's occurred . three exactly what's occurred. three things occur to me and there's so much speculation, isn't there? as you always get. obviously there's the possible terrorist but i just terrorist incident. but i just think been saying strange think you've been saying strange time. yeah it could be. maybe gang related or it could be someone with a mental health, which we saw in france only last week. exactly and whether that even maybe has triggered something . so. yes. so it's all something. so. yes. so it's all a mystery . and you can imagine a mystery. and you can imagine at the moment notts police, counter—terrorism officers, six city services will all be pulling that, you know, really pulling that, you know, really pulling together to find out exactly what's our home security editor. he's got very good wiw: he's got very good sources, obviously. oh, he has. he sources, obviously. oh, he has. ne seys— sources, obviously. oh, he has. ne seys er— sources, obviously. oh, he has. he says at this— sources, obviously. oh, he has. he says at this stage the police are he says at this stage the police ner— he says at this stage the police are not treating— he says at this stage the police are not treating it— he says at this stage the police are not treating it as a terror insiienr1— are not treating it as a terror incident, which— are not treating it as a terror incident, which might, chris, eveiein— incident, which might, chris, eveiein vny— incident, which might, chris, explain why unusually these erresrs— explain why unusually these attacks took _ explain why unusually these attacks took place at the first one: _ attacks took place at the first er— attacks took place at the first er seee — attacks took place at the first one, at 4:00 in— attacks took place at the first one, at 4:00 in the morning, iense— one, at 4:00 in the morning, iense yen— one, at 4:00 in the morning, because you know better than nesr— because you know better than most terrorists— because you know better than most terrorists like to shock,

siese— most terrorists like to shock, shock, create _ most terrorists like to shock, shock, create shock and awe and eenis— shock, create shock and awe and penis in— shock, create shock and awe and penis in eniiis— shock, create shock and awe and panic in public places. shock, create shock and awe and panic in public places . and they panic in public places. and they venr— panic in public places. and they venr ir— panic in public places. and they venr ir re— panic in public places. and they venr ir re ie— panic in public places. and they want it to be filmed. yes that's rignr. — want it to be filmed. yes that's rignr. i— want it to be filmed. yes that's rignr. i neen— want it to be filmed. yes that's right. i mean, it— want it to be filmed. yes that's right. 1“ c : right. i mean, it would be a very unusual time for something akin to a terrorist incident to take place. i'm sure they've got the identity of the person. they would have run him through all the intelligence indices that that it's possible to run through, possibly if through, basically possibly if there suggestions that he may not be been born here, they'll be checking immigration records as well . so there'll be a huge as well. so there'll be a huge amount of work before they eventually come to conclusion eventually come to a conclusion as to exactly what has triggered this. all sorts of speculation on social media. obviously, someone's speculated gang will nottingham does have a gang problem, but again it's it feels random doesn't it. it does look like random doesn't it. it does look iire rergerei. — random doesn't it. it does look like targeted. yeah— random doesn't it. it does look like targeted. yeah it- random doesn't it. it does look like targeted. yeah it does but it shows again chris doesn't it. the great job you and your seneegnes— the great job you and your colleagues as— the great job you and your colleagues as police officers do iense— colleagues as police officers do iense iey— colleagues as police officers do because they have— colleagues as police officers do because they have to apprehend a vie— because they have to apprehend a man who was armed and dangerous. they— man who was armed and dangerous. iiey eevei— man who was armed and dangerous. iney eevei ien — man who was armed and dangerous. they removed from according to our eyewitness, _ they removed from according to our eyewitness, kay kane brady a

knife— our eyewitness, kay kane brady a knife nnsn— our eyewitness, kay kane brady a knife much bigger,— our eyewitness, kay kane brady a knife much bigger, he says, than a knife much bigger, he says, than e eiese— knife much bigger, he says, than e iiese er— knife much bigger, he says, than e eiese er ai— knife much bigger, he says, than a piece of a4 size— knife much bigger, he says, than a piece of a4 size paper. / a piece of a4 size paper. yeah. ani— a piece of a4 size paper. yeah. ani inis— a piece of a4 size paper. yeah. ani ii is— a piece of a4 size paper. yeah. and this is what you do see so frequently. police officers running to the scene . so running to the scene. so remember london bridge? yeah. you know those officers that went in not knowing what the hell going on, but were hell was going on, but were still prepared obviously, to put themselves line to themselves on the line to get people of that. and he was people out of that. and he was ieiini— people out of that. and he was ieiini ie— people out of that. and he was behind the wheel— people out of that. and he was behind the wheel of— people out of that. and he was behind the wheel of the- and he was behind the wheel of the van. he senii— behind the wheel of the van. he senii neve— behind the wheel of the van. he could have driven— behind the wheel of the van. he could have driven the at the could have driven the van at the reuse— could have driven the van at the police officers— could have driven the van at the police officers-we - could have driven the van at the police officers we know police officers because we know iese— police officers because we know rnere ee— police officers because we know there are three— police officers because we know there are three people in ieseirei— there are three people in hospital for— there are three people in hospital for sure as a result of iin— hospital for sure as a result of iin sinking— hospital for sure as a result of him striking them— hospital for sure as a result of him striking them van. him striking them in the van. res. — him striking them in the van. res. reen— him striking them in the van. yes. yeah that's— him striking them in the van. yes. yeah that's right.- him striking them in the van. yes. yeah that's right. and that him striking them in the van. time of the morning at a time when officers will think, when police officers will think, well, night well, that's my night shift nearly done. go home, go nearly done. i can go home, go to bed, and then all of a sudden all hell breaks loose and they have to be dealing with it. and by and large, police officers mind that happens, mind when that happens, when they serious they know there's a serious incident, reports of incident, they got reports of people in the streets or people dead in the streets or people dead in the streets or people in hospital focus. it really is all of a sudden you're wide awake, you're totally focussed on what needs to be

done. you're listening to your radio, you're thinking about it. the safety primarily the safety of other people and what you're going to find when you get to the scene. first aid kits, the first aid kits of police officers are far superior these days than when i was a young pc. but will i need to try and save a life for that person on the ground? will i need to look out around me to see whether there's around me to see whether there's a a threat to my a threat still a threat to my safety the of the safety and the safety of the people i'm looking after. people that i'm looking after. it's yeah, it really is. it's traumatic. is where traumatic. but this is where good training and instinct comes into it. and certainly when you look at the guys who are armed police, this is what they train for. chris we're looking at the pictures here of the van. this was one of the first wt.cc. 1“ this was one of the first images that we ger. — was one of the first images that we ger. ins— was one of the first images that we got. this morning. this is perry— we got. this morning. this is ererry nnsn— we got. this morning. this is pretty much the— we got. this morning. this is pretty much the first image that the pretty much the first image that re neiie— pretty much the first image that re neiie ger— pretty much the first image that the media got this morning on gb nevs— the media got this morning on gb nevs. ani— the media got this morning on gb nevs. ani iiis— the media got this morning on gb news. and this from our news. and this was from our eyevirness— news. and this was from our eyewitness- site - news. and this was from our eyewitness site came eyewitness on the site came ireiy— eyewitness on the site came ireiy-ve— eyewitness on the site came brady _we first - eyewitness on the site came brady we first saw this, it brady when we first saw this, it ieerei— brady when we first saw this, it ieerei iire — brady when we first saw this, it looked like we— brady when we first saw this, it looked like we presumed two iniier— looked like we presumed two bullet holes— looked like we presumed two bullet holes in— looked like we presumed two bullet holes in the windshield. but bullet holes in the windshield. enr-rene— bullet holes in the windshield. but-kane-said. bullet holes in the windshield. but-kane-said that but because kane also said that he but because kane also said that ie-everen— but because kane also said that ie-everen re— but because kane also said that. he-awoken to _thought

he was awoken to what he thought was he was awoken to what he thought ves-er— he was awoken to what he thought ves-er gnnsiei- he was awoken to what he thought was-of gunshot. but- he was awoken to what he thought was of gunshot. but the was a sound of gunshot. but the innner—is— was a sound of gunshot. but the further—is that- further speculation is that eerneis— further speculation is that perhaps-marks- further speculation is that perhaps marks the perhaps the marks on the windshield— perhaps the marks on the windshield i— perhaps the marks on the windshield i know it's very iirrisnir— windshield i know it's very difficult-see— windshield i know it's veryi difficult-see-from difficult to see on this from rnis— difficult to see on this from this location— difficult to see on this from this location might perhaps have ieen—nin- this location might perhaps have been _what whati been a police baton. what what do been a police baton. what what ie yen— been a police baton. what what ie yen mere— been a police baton. what what ie yen nere er— been a police baton. what what do you make of that? which is it iireiy— do you make of that? which is it iireiy re— do you make of that? which is it more likely to be? _ do you make of that? which is it more likely to be? : 1“ c more likely to be? i wouldn't nie— more likely to be? i wouldn't iire re— more likely to be? i wouldn't like to speculate, to be quite honest. i think possibly that if they'd have fired at the windscreen, the bullet possibly would gone. that's right. would have gone. that's right. right through police right through it, police errisers— right through it, police officers will— right through it, police officers will use batons to try eni— officers will use batons to try eni-es— officers will use batons to try and-as happened- officers will use batons to try and as happened so and stop, as happened so iregnenriy— and stop, as happened so frequently when they're trying to frequently when they're trying re sree— frequently when they're trying re sree neving— frequently when they're trying to stop moving vehicles or veiisies— to stop moving vehicles or vehicles-are- to stop moving vehicles or vehicles are trying to stop moving vehicles or- vehicles-are trying-make vehicles that are trying to make err. — vehicles that are trying to make err. -vin— vehicles that are trying to make off. .will strike- vehicles that are trying to make off. .will strike the- off. they will strike the windscreen or the side windows with their batons, trying to gain entry . and of gain to gain entry. and of course, they would- cg? 1“ ng? 1“ and of course, they would want ng? 1“ ng? 1“ and of course, they would want to gnesrien— course, they would want to question this— course, they would want to question this person. and of course , because— question this person. and of course , because want to course, because they'd want to inev— course, because they'd want to knew-ves— course, because they'd want to iney-ves e— course, because they'd want to know-was a lone- course, because they'd want to know was a lone lone wolf know if it was a lone lone wolf veering— know if it was a lone lone wolf was working with— know if it was a lone lone wolf was working with other people. res. — was working with other people. res. res— was working with other people. res. res iney— was working with other people. yes. yes they would. _ was working with other people. yes. yes they would. but- was working with other people. yes. yes they would. but they really need to get him into a situation where it's possible to question him when everyone has calmed down a little bit. obviously, their first reaction will be, is there another threat from somewhere? i've got this person on? are there others that

ineed person on? are there others that i need to be concerned about? but once he's removed to a police station, yes , probably it police station, yes, probably it will be detectives again. probably night duty detectives initially were sort of wondering what's hit them, frankly. but again, training will kick in and they will obviously want to get to the bottom of it as soon as possible. but crucial are the checks are the intelligence checks are the intelligence checks to see what is known about this person . and as soon about this person. and as soon as they find his address, they will obviously be around there seizing that may seizing everything that may be relevant. and seizing everything that may be relevant . and there's been no relevant. and there's been no neering— relevant. and there's been no neeringere— relevant. and there's been no meeting-the cobra- and there's been no meeting the cobra committee, meeting of the cobra committee, viisn— meeting of the cobra committee, which government's which is the government's energensy. — which is the government's energensy. _e- which is the government's emergency. g which is the government's- emergency. _a good point, emergency. that's a good point, actually. yeah. there would have ieen— actually. yeah. there would have ieen ir— actually. yeah. there would have ieen ii iey— actually. yeah. there would have been if they thought— actually. yeah. there would have been if they thought by- t / there would have been if they thought by it been if they thought by now iti ves—veen. was terror related. yeah. yeah. i i was terror related. yeah. yeah. i-i riinr— was terror related. yeah. yeah. i i think everyone's mind, i mean, i think everyone's mind, doesn't it, when you initially hear what's occurring switches to often it could to terrorism. but often it could be something and a number of knife incidents we get anyway in this country is very, very worrying . it's almost a weapon worrying. it's almost a weapon of choice now. every day you read of people being stabbed, i don't remember it being like

this when i was a young pc. it wasn't like this so readily available online. you can just order available online. you can just erier e— available online. you can just order a zombie— available online. you can just order a zombie knife- you can just order a zombie knife online. iier-s— order a zombie knife online. iier-s iie— order a zombie knife online. that's the problem , isn't it? that's the problem, isn't it? res.— that's the problem, isn't it? res. ir-s— that's the problem, isn't it? res. ir-s ner— that's the problem, isn't it? j“/wi31 it's not difficult to. yes. it's not difficult to. i rninr— yes. it's not difficult to. i think we've— yes. it's not difficult to. i think we've got- j“/wi31 it's not difficult to. i think we've got some new and emerging— think we've got some new and emerging footage. don't go enyviere— emerging footage. don't go anywhere, chris— emerging footage. don't go anywhere, chris hobbs at the eeni— anywhere, chris hobbs at the eenr inr— anywhere, chris hobbs at the moment, but we're going to go iesi— moment, but we're going to go iesr re— moment, but we're going to go iesr re nir— moment, but we're going to go back to will hollis, who is on ie— back to will hollis, who is on rne ssene— back to will hollis, who is on the scene. good— back to will hollis, who is on the scene. good morning, will. nier— the scene. good morning, will. nier mere— the scene. good morning, will. nier ie— the scene. good morning, will. what more do we— the scene. good morning, will. what more do we know . good what more do we know. good nerning— what more do we know. good nerning . — what more do we know. good morning . will,— what more do we know. good morning . will, can- what more do we know. good morning . �*vaj cc wt?“ what more do we know. good morning . cc wt?“ c. 7 morning. will, can you hear us? will good morning. yes,- morning. will, can you hear us? will good morning. yes, i- morning. cc wt?“ c. 7 �*jst cc good morning. yes, i think will good morning. yes, i think my sennesrien— will good morning. yes, i think my connection broke— �*vaj cc good morning. yes, i think my connection broke up a little bits— my connection broke up a little in inr— my connection broke up a little ii in i— my connection broke up a little ii in i sen— my connection broke up a little bit, but i can hear— my connection broke up a little bit, but i can hear you. that's erey. — bit, but i can hear you. that's erey. iei— bit, but i can hear you. that's erey. ier ns— bit, but i can hear you. that's okay. let us know- bit, but i can hear you. that's okay. c.3 bit, but i can hear you. that's okay. let us know what's what's happening down there. when we spoke to you earlier, you were on milton street , but are you on milton street, but are you still there? what do you know ? still there? what do you know? yes. well this is milton street. it's one of the busier roads inre— it's one of the busier roads into nottingham city centre. is— into nottingham city centre. is viere— into nottingham city centre. it's where there's currently a eense— it's where there's currently a police cordon— it's where there's currently a police cordon in— it's where there's currently a police cordon in place. and in reierien— police cordon in place. and in

reierien re— police cordon in place. and in relation to the— police cordon in place. and in relation to the news, this is viere— relation to the news, this is viere e— relation to the news, this is where a van is— relation to the news, this is where a van is believed to have inre— where a van is believed to have ran into three— where a van is believed to have ran into three people. those risee— ran into three people. those rnree eeeeie— ran into three people. those three people are— ran into three people. those three people are believed to be in ieseirei— three people are believed to be in hospital. of— three people are believed to be in hospital. of course, we've ieen— in hospital. of course, we've ieen reiring— in hospital. of course, we've been talking about how a man has ieen— been talking about how a man has ieen enesrei— been talking about how a man has been arrested on— been talking about how a man has been arrested on suspicion of rnnrrie— been arrested on suspicion of rnnrrie eni— been arrested on suspicion of murder and three— been arrested on suspicion of murder and three people have ieen— murder and three people have ieen-ieei— murder and three people have been-dead in- murder and three people have been _dead in the - murder and three people have been dead in the area been found dead in the area esenni— been found dead in the area esenni-ery— been found dead in the area around-city,.well- been found dead in the area around city, well as around the city, as well as mere— around the city, as well as iese-e— around the city, as well as there-a number- around the city, as well as. there-a number-road there being a number of road closures causing— there being a number of road closures causing disruption . but closures causing disruption. but vier— closures causing disruption. but we neeeenei— closures causing disruption. but what happened here, just a few rnernenrs— what happened here, just a few rnernenrs ege— what happened here, just a few moments ago, as— what happened here, just a few moments ago, as you can see, moments ago, as you can see, rini— moments ago, as you can see, rini ei— moments ago, as you can see, rini er in— moments ago, as you can see, rini er in ine— moments ago, as you can see, kind of in the background, iese-s— kind of in the background, iiere-s iie— kind of in the background, there's the taco bell and mcdonald's,— there's the taco bell and mcdonald's, something that we're rrying— mcdonald's, something that we're rrying re— mcdonald's, something that we're rrying re mere— mcdonald's, something that we're trying to make sense of that ger— trying to make sense of that ger e— trying to make sense of that we've got a little bit of video reerege— we've got a little bit of video reerege rer— we've got a little bit of video footage for here— we've got a little bit of video footage for here in the city senrre — footage for here in the city senrre .— footage for here in the city senrre . is— footage for here in the city centre . is that— footage for here in the city centre . is that what seems to be centre. is that what seems to be seneieiy— centre. is that what seems to be seneieiy en— centre. is that what seems to be somebody ran into— centre. is that what seems to be somebody ran into the cordon and was somebody ran into the cordon and ener— somebody ran into the cordon and errer iy— somebody ran into the cordon and was ran after by police errisers— was ran after by police officers, including armed police errisers— officers, including armed police errisers1— officers, including armed police officers , and— officers, including armed police officers , and essentially officers, and essentially resriei— officers, and essentially resriei 1— officers, and essentially tackled , jumped on and then tackled, jumped on and then reren— tackled, jumped on and then reren evey— tackled, jumped on and then taken away in— tackled, jumped on and then taken away in a— tackled, jumped on and then taken away in a police van. of course, when you've got an insiienr— course, when you've got an insiienr er— course, when you've got an incident of this— course, when you've got an incident of this magnitude, one iier— incident of this magnitude, one in ie— incident of this magnitude, one that the police _ incident of this magnitude, one that the police are describing as a major incident, anything esenni— as a major incident, anything around these— as a major incident, anything around these cordons is always

reeny— around these cordons is always really sensitive.— around these cordons is always really sensitive. you'll always er— really sensitive. you'll always er iese— really sensitive. you'll always see at these kinds of cordons eeeeie— see at these kinds of cordons pebble sawigs— see at these kinds of cordons people saying, how can i get risengn— people saying, how can i get through here?— people saying, how can i get through here? how can i get ienee— through here? how can i get home? sometimes people are angry or home? sometimes people are angry er neser— home? sometimes people are angry er neser rner— home? sometimes people are angry or upset that the— home? sometimes people are angry or upset that the police errisers— or upset that the police officers can't- or upset that the police officers can't let them into a eense— officers can't let them into a police cordon— officers can't let them into a police cordon because, of ir— police cordon because, of ii is— police cordon because, of course, it is an- police cordon because, of course, it is an active crime inr— course, it is an active crime scene. but it's— course, it is an active crime scene. but it's very rare that you— scene. but it's very rare that yen see— scene. but it's very rare that yen eeeeie— scene. but it's very rare that you see people actually trying to you see people actually trying re-inre— you see people actually trying re-inre ien— you see people actually trying to-into them .— you see people actually trying to into them . now, what we to get into them. now, what we saw was those— to get into them. now, what we saw was those police officers jumping— saw was those police officers jumping en— saw was those police officers jumping en ie— saw was those police officers jumping on the person. i seniin-r— jumping on the person. i couldn't tell— jumping on the person. i couldn't tell if it was a man or a couldn't tell if it was a man or evveen . ani— couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman . and armed police a woman. and armed police errisers— a woman. and armed police officers come— a woman. and armed police officers come to— a woman. and armed police officers come to essentially to iesi— officers come to essentially to iesr rnen — officers come to essentially to iesr rnen ne1— officers come to essentially to back them up. and then it looked like back them up. and then it looked iire iey— back them up. and then it looked rise in — back them up. and then it looked like they were they— back them up. and then it looked like they were they were taken evey. — like they were they were taken evey. inr— like they were they were taken evey. in i— like they were they were taken away. but i can't— like they were they were taken away. but i can't confirm vieiier— away. but i can't confirm whether—was| away. but i can't confirm- whether_was arrested whether that person was arrested as whether that person was arrested es..— whether that person was arrested es- iiey— whether that person was arrested es- iiey see— whether that person was arrested as-. they seem to- whether that person was arrested as . they seem to have just as such. they seem to have just ieen— as such. they seem to have just ieen-evey— as such. they seem to have just ieen-evey er— as such. they seem to have just been-away or-theyi been taken away or what they were-inning- been taken away or what they were jumping into the were doing jumping into the reuse— were doing jumping into the police cordon— were doing jumping into the police cordon here milton police cordon here on milton steer.— police cordon here on milton srreer. inr— police cordon here on milton street. but it's— police cordon here on milton street. but it's certainly senerning— street. but it's certainly something that raises something that that raises rensiens— something that that raises tensions at— something that that raises tensions at a— something that that raises tensions at a time when nottingham,— tensions at a time when nottingham, as well as the sennrry— nottingham, as well as the country-feeling- nottingham, as well as the country feeling badly country is feeling quite badly erresrei— country is feeling quite badly affected about— country is feeling quite badly affected about the news that gerring— affected about the news that we're getting today. okay. so iier— we're getting today. okay. so in veri— we're getting today. okay. so that well, we've— we're getting today. okay. so that well, we've still got chris virn — that well, we've still got chris virn ns— that well, we've still got chris virn ns eni — that well, we've still got chris with us and what— that well, we've still got chris with us and what what what do you— with us and what what what do yen mere— with us and what what what do yen nere er— with us and what what what do you make of that. c c you make of that. it it's something that officers on cordons have to be quite honest

people get very impatient sometimes quite violent in trying to get through a cordon because they have to take the long way round. now that may or may not be what's happened here, but but that is a real problem. and sometimes, of course, officers the cordons officers on the cordons can't actually exactly what's actually say exactly what's occurred to why people occurred as to why people can't get through . this get through. but this confrontations cordons are confrontations on cordons are not uncommon. if someone's rnnning— not uncommon. if someone'sl rnnning—rney running in to the cordon, they nignr— running in to the cordon, they might-worried— running in to the cordon, they might worried that they are might be worried that they are essesierei— might be worried that they are associated with _ might be worried that they are associated with what's already gene. — associated with what's already gene. nei— associated with what's already gone. well, exactly. j“/wi31 j/wi? 1“ gone. well, exactly. yes. yeah. reiss— gone. well, exactly. yes. yeah. reuse-e— gone. well, exactly. yes. yeah. police a chance police can't take a chance because you don't this because you don't know. is this is somebody who's is this somebody else who's intent a difficult intent on harm? so a difficult situation would taken situation that would have taken them by surprise, especially the running get running bit. you often get arguments and maybe people trying their trying to push their way through, to run through through, trying to run through a and i've not heard of that before, but i've heard of plenty of cordon confrontations. so for our it's really our radio listeners, it's really important because obviously we're something important because obviously we'ican't something important because obviously we'ican't see something important because obviously we'ican't see this something important because obviously we'ican't see this sfootageig important because obviously we'ican't see this sfootage of you can't see this is footage of the outdoor of the outside of the outdoor of the outside of the mcdonald's. there's an enrsiie— the mcdonald's. there's an outside seating— the mcdonald's. there's an outside seating area.- t j c there's an outside seating area. the cordon ieesn-r— outside seating area. the cordon ieesn-r ge— outside seating area. the cordon doesn't go extend— outside seating area. the cordon doesn't go extend entirely up to the doesn't go extend entirely up to re iniiiing— doesn't go extend entirely up to re iniiiing1— doesn't go extend entirely up to the building, but— doesn't go extend entirely up to the building, but there is what reeks— the building, but there is what looks-security- the building, but there is what looks security guard on looks like a security guard on ie— looks like a security guard on the-mcdonald's.- looks like a security guard on the mcdonald's. there is

the door of mcdonald's. there is a the door of mcdonald's. there is e—rneir— the door of mcdonald's. there is e—rneir ievn- the door of mcdonald's. there is a_knelt down overi a police officer knelt down over seneieiy. — a police officer knelt down over seneieiy. ne— a police officer knelt down over somebody. we can't see that eesen— somebody. we can't see that person. there's— somebody. we can't see that person. there's a— somebody. we can't see that person. there's a female police erriser— person. there's a female police erriser vie— person. there's a female police officer who in— person. there's a female police officer who in some of the reerege— officer who in some of the ieerege sen— officer who in some of the footage sort of— officer who in some of the footage sort of walks away. snes— footage sort of walks away. she's holding _ footage sort of walks away. she's holding her arm and she eenis— she's holding her arm and she ienis eve— she's holding her arm and she bends over like— she's holding her arm and she bends over like she's in pain. seneieiy— bends over like she's in pain. seneieiy is— bends over like she's in pain. somebody is obviously just inneei— somebody is obviously just inneei-ner- somebody is obviously just bumped-her or- somebody is obviously just bumped-her or had bumped into her or or she's had to bumped into her or or she's had re ieni— bumped into her or or she's had to fend-somebody- bumped into her or or she's had to fend-somebody .- bumped into her or or she's had to fend somebody . she to fend off somebody. she eneies— to fend off somebody. she another-officer- to fend off somebody. she another officer runs into another police officer runs into the another police officer runs into rne ssene— another police officer runs into the scene and— another police officer runs into the scene and then reprimands iier— the scene and then reprimands rner eesen— the scene and then reprimands rner eesen en— the scene and then reprimands that person on the ground. so iier— that person on the ground. so in iesen— that person on the ground. so that person is— that person on the ground. so that person is on— that person on the ground. so that person is on the ground wire— that person is on the ground while there's— that person is on the ground while there's two police errisers— while there's two police officers holding down with officers holding him down with the officers holding him down with re erner— officers holding him down with the other police. _ officers holding him down with the other police. '1“wc officers holding him down with the other police. ' “c the other police. and we've also seen police officer seen an armed police officer running there, so, running in there, too. so, chris, you saying, they chris, as you were saying, they can't chances this can't take any chances this could related. could could have been related. could have to had have been related to what had gone earlier. well, gone on earlier. well, everyone's-very. gone on earlier. well,- everyone's-very will be on everyone's on a very will be on a everyone's on a very will be on every— everyone's on a very will be on every nign— everyone's on a very will be on every nign eien— everyone's on a very will be on a very high alert at— everyone's on a very will be on a very high alert at the moment in nerringnen— a very high alert at the moment in nottingham -we - a very high alert at the moment in nottingham we actually in nottingham until we actually knew—ies- in nottingham until we actually knew—ies gene- in nottingham until we actuallyj know—has gone on. know exactly what has gone on. ani— know exactly what has gone on. and-just— know exactly what has gone on. ani-tnsr ene— know exactly what has gone on. and just one individual and is this just one individual or and is this just one individual er er senii— and is this just one individual or or could it— and is this just one individual or or could it perhaps be a nigger— or or could it perhaps be a nigger rer— or or could it perhaps be a trigger for other- or or could it perhaps be a trigger for other difficulties, erner— trigger for other difficulties, other problems— trigger for other difficulties, other problems , other attacks other problems, other attacks inring — other problems, other attacks inring rne — other problems, other attacks during the course of day? so during the course of the day? so eense— during the course of the day? so eense-ie— during the course of the day? so eeiise-ie en— during the course of the day? so police-be on, as— during the course of the day? so police-be on, as i- during the course of the day? so police be on, as i say, police will be on, as i say, very— police will be on, as i say, very nign— police will be on, as i say, very high alert.- police will be on, as i say, very high alert. and you can't iiene— very high alert. and you can't iiene-rer— very high alert. and you can't blame-for that- very high alert. and you can't blame for that really or blame them for that really or reesring— blame them for that really or reesring ir— blame them for that really or reacting if something untoward neeeens— reacting if something untoward happens positively is the word i

venii— happens positively is the word i venii ne— happens positively is the word i would use. but— happens positively is the word i would use. but some of the reuse— would use. but some of the police critics— would use. but some of the police critics might use other veris— police critics might use other words, unfortunately, peter reniiing— words, unfortunately, peteri reniiing—se faulding that people are so ineerienr— faulding that people are so impatient when there's a major rnnrrie— impatient when there's a major murder investigation underway , a murder investigation underway, a neeie— murder investigation underway, a neterinsiienr. — murder investigation underway, a major incident. ngwic major incident. just get over it. just walk the long way round .yeah. yeah. it. just walk the long way round . yeah. yeah. i mean, maybe rney-ve— . yeah. yeah. i mean, maybe rney-ve ner— . yeah. yeah. i mean, maybe they've not heard— / yeah. i mean, maybe they've not heard of what's essnnng— they've not heard of what's occurring. they— they've not heard of what's occurring. they just see the seiien— occurring. they just see the serien eni— occurring. they just see the cordon and think, oh, this is more bureaucratic. police nonsense. i want to get through it. nonsense. i want to get through in i— nonsense. i want to get through in i neei— nonsense. i want to get through in i neei re— nonsense. i want to get through it. i need to get— nonsense. i want to get through it. i need to get to.— nonsense. i want to get through it. i need to get to. �*vajwicc it. i need to get to. well, sieeriy— it. i need to get to. well, clearly needed a big mac. yes important does it at a time like this . but like say, you this. but like you say, you know, spend a lot of time on know, we spend a lot of time on this this program. we spend this on this program. we spend a lot of time on all media, uh, giving the police a hard time. chris giving the police a hard time. chns and giving the police a hard time. chris and i have spoken chris you and i have spoken about length and what a about it at length and what a difficult the police difficult time the police have on day this. it reminds on a day like this. it reminds you a brilliant job the you what a brilliant job the majority of police officers do. well, i think i think that's rignr. — well, i think i think that's rignr. i— well, i think i think that's right. ithink— well, i think i think that's right. i think police the right. i think police at the rnrneenr— moment are really are demoralised- moment are really are demoralised because there almost seenslie— demoralised because there almost seenslie-nnnr- demoralised because there almost seems-be-hunt for- demoralised because there almost seems be hunt for bad seems to be a witch hunt for bad sreries— seems to be a witch hunt for bad news stories. now,— seems to be a witch hunt for bad news stories. now, of course, rney-ve— news stories. now, of course, rney-ve ger— news stories. now, of course, rney-ve ger re— news stories. now, of course, they've got to be— news stories. now, of course, they've got to be highlighted news stories. now, of course, they'vthings:o be highlighted news stories. now, of course, they'vthings go we highlighted news stories. now, of course, they'vthings go wronglighted news stories. now, of course, they'vthings go wrong .ghted news stories. now, of course, they'vthings go wrong . but d news stories. now, of course, they'vthings go wrong . but the when things go wrong. but the ernennr— when things go wrong. but the enennrlgeei— when things go wrong. but the amount good news stories, amount of good news stories, iese-s— amount of good news stories,

rnere-s eense— amount of good news stories, there's police bravery awards iier— there's police bravery awards in ee— there's police bravery awards that are coming— there's police bravery awards that are coming up. and when you ieei— that are coming up. and when you reei er— that are coming up. and when you read some of these— that are coming up. and when you read some of these stories, rney-re— read some of these stories, rney-re iie— read some of these stories, they're the of— read some of these stories, they're the of police officers. iie— they're the of police officers. iie sieer— they're the of police officers. the sheer bravery and courage of reuse— the sheer bravery and courage of police officers— the sheer bravery and courage of police officers in— the sheer bravery and courage of police officers in dealing with senein— police officers in dealing with certain incidents.— police officers in dealing with certain incidents. officer certain incidents. one officer is permanently— certain incidents. one officer is permanently suffering life snenging— is permanently suffering life changing injuries through rnsiing— changing injuries through rushing into— changing injuries through rushing into a burning building and rushing into a burning building eni seving— rushing into a burning building and saving people. yeah, i don't remember reading— and saving people. yeah, i don't remember reading about that enyviere— remember reading about that anywhere where— remember reading about that anywhere where it was in the bedfordshire_ anywhere where it was in the bedfordshire news , but hasn't bedfordshire news, but hasn't eeeeerei— bedfordshire news, but hasn't eeeeerei. ne— bedfordshire news, but hasn't appeared. no one seemed interested.— appeared. no one seemed interested. _ appeared. no one seemed interested. and- appeared. no one seemed interested. “c appeared. no one seemed interested. ' “c wt.wiwc. 1“ interested. and of course we in the media are guilty, aren't we, of highlighting the bad news and not the stuff you guys do on a daily basis? keeping us safe ? i daily basis? keeping us safe? i mean, those police officers apprehended guy. apprehended this guy. they didn't what were didn't know what they were encountering, they'd known encountering, but they'd known he'd been behind the wheel of a van and had, we think , drove van and had, we think, drove over three people, killing them and certainly three people in hospital. well, that's right. and as i say, the number of knife— and as i say, the number of knife incidents— and as i say, the number of knife incidents is now fortunately, - knife incidents is now fortunately, guns are still iirrisnir— fortunately, guns are still difficult obtain this difficult to obtain in this sennrry— difficult to obtain in this sennrry. ir— difficult to obtain in this country. if they become easier to country. if they become easier re eiiein— country. if they become easier to obtain, whatever reason, to obtain, for whatever reason, lax to obtain, for whatever reason, ies—rer- to obtain, for whatever reason,i lax—for example lax border controls, for example . in— lax border controls, for example . iin1 yen— lax border controls, for example . nn1 yen inev— lax border controls, for example . um, you know, i— lax border controls, for example . um, you know, i shudder to mini—

. um, you know, i shudder to mini vier— . um, you know, i shudder to think what would— . um, you know, i shudder to think what would happen. but at the think what would happen. but at rne rnrneenr— think what would happen. but at the moment the _ think what would happen. but at the moment the problem is with knives— the moment the problem is with knives eni— the moment the problem is with knives and-never— the moment the problem is with knives and never known knives and i've never known enyrning— knives and i've never known enyiiing—in- knives and i've never known. anything—in terms anything quite like it in terms of the— anything quite like it in terms of the incidents— anything quite like it in terms of the incidents that are occurring— of the incidents that are occurring across the country, noi— occurring across the country, nor-rne— occurring across the country, nor-inn nig- occurring across the country, not-the big cities- occurring across the country, not the big cities but not just in the big cities but ine— not just in the big cities but across the country with knives ani— across the country with knives and people — across the country with knives and people being— across the country with knives and people being stabbed . and a and people being stabbed. and a lot and people being stabbed. and a roili— and people being stabbed. and a min as— and people being stabbed. and a min ns-is— and people being stabbed. and a lot-it as-is very- and people being stabbed. and a lot it as is very young lot of it as well is very young rennin,— lot of it as well is very young peeing-in— lot of it as well is very young people,-in-teens| lot of it as well is very youngi people,-in-teens . people, people in their teens. inne-s— people, people in their teens. inne-s n— people, people in their teens. there's a real— people, people in their teens. there's a real crisis. heartbreaking,- there's a real crisis. heartbreaking, chris. it really is. and interestingly, we wouldn't the wouldn't know anything about the knife this case if it wasn't knife in this case if it wasn't for our eyewitness this morning, kim brady, who contributes to breakfast. then spoken to breakfast. we've then spoken to him. you can watch, of course , him. you can watch, of course, any of the footage on the gb news website this morning . as news website this morning. as the day continues. we will have of it, if it was ongoing or whédaynd kane, you " ' ' '? of it, if it was ongoing or whédaynd kane, ere ' ' ' ,, the day continues. we will have of it, if it was ongoing or whédaynd kane, yiwe will ' ' ?' of it, if it was ongoing or whédaynd kane, y

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saw that happening? um, i was just saw that happening? um, i was iwsi i— saw that happening? um, i was iwsi i new— saw that happening? um, i was saw that happening? um, i was just saw that happening? um, i was iwsi i— saw that happening? um, i was iwsi i new— saw that happening? um, i was just i had not a clue. i didn't just i had not a clue. i didn't really know where it was going to go because there wasn't there was only a few policemen that were there at the scene. i know they called for backup straight away. the man, man was away. and the man, the man was resisting i didn't resisting arrest. so i didn't really what didn't really know what i didn't know what going to happen. what was going to happen. i didn't that end didn't know if that was the end of it, it was ongoing or

of it, if it was ongoing or what. and kane, you