. nigel. thank \\ 92; thank you. the top you. nigel. thank you. the top story— you. nigel. thank you. the top story today— you. nigel. thank you. the top story totoy to— you. nigel. thank you. the top story today is that— \ gt; thank you. the top story today is that police say no— story today is that police say no yoot— story today is that police say no yoot ott— story today is that police say 219 year old students and a man in 219 year old students and a man to tots— 219 year old students and a man to tto ses— 219 year old students and a man in his 50s were— 219 year old students and a man in his 50s were killed in nottingham— in his 50s were killed in nottingham today in attacks wttot— nottingham today in attacks wttot toot— nottingham today in attacks which took place this morning. gb which took place this morning. et news— which took place this morning. gb news understands the main suspect— gb news understands the main suspect ts— gb news understands the main suspect ts o— gb news understands the main suspect ts o et— gb news understands the main suspect is a 31 year old west otttcou— suspect is a 31 year old west african migrant.— suspect is a 31 year old west african migrant. two of the three— african migrant. two of the three peopte— african migrant. two of the three people were students at the university— three people were students at the university of— three people were students at the university of nottingham. ene— the university of nottingham. one was— the university of nottingham. one was barnard— the university of nottingham. one was barnard obe weber. the university of nottingham. one was barnard obe weber . they one was barnard obe weber. they stopped— one was barnard obe weber. they were stabbed near— one was barnard obe weber. they were stabbed near the student's totts— were stabbed near the student's totts ot— were stabbed near the student's halls of residence— were stabbed near the student's halls of residence nearby. tottce— halls of residence nearby. tottce soy— halls of residence nearby. police say they- halls of residence nearby. police say they found the body of police say they found the body ot o— police say they found the body ot e se— police say they found the body ot o so yeot— police say they found the body of a 50 year old— police say they found the body of a 50 year old man on locally, mogtoto— of a 50 year old man on locally, mogtoto toot— of a 50 year old man on locally, mogtoto toot .— of a 50 year old man on locally, magdala road . police were then magdala road. police were then cottet— magdala road. police were then cottet to— magdala road. police were then called to another— magdala road. police were then called to another street where a attempted— called to another street where a van attempted to _ called to another street where a van attempted to run over three otter— van attempted to run over three other peopte. — van attempted to run over three other people. chief constable tote— other people. chief constable tote mote— other people. chief constable kate main explained the suspects— kate main explained the suspect's actions this afternoon at o— suspect's actions this afternoon at o press— suspect's actions this afternoon at a press conference. a man in his at a press conference. a man in tts ses— at a press conference. a man in tts 50s was— at a press conference. a man in his 50s was also— at a press conference. a man in his 50s was also found dead from totte— his 50s was also found dead from tutte tututtes— his 50s was also found dead from knife injuries in— his 50s was also found dead from knife injuries in magdala road by a— knife injuries in magdala road by u ect— knife injuries in magdala road by a member of— knife injuries in magdala road by a member of the public. p by a member of the public. at the mmet— by a member of the public. at the moment we— by a member of the public. at the moment we believe-

by a member of the public. at the moment we believe that the suspect has stolen this man's vehicle and driven it to milton street , where he is then driven street, where he is then driven at members of the public. we are still in the early stages of the investigation and need to determine exactly what the motives were behind this attack . well in other news today, bofis . well in other news today, boris johnson has made last minute submissions to the privileges committee ahead of its report on allegations of misleading parliament. the committee received g the committee received boris yotmsom-s— committee received boris johnson's representations at mount— johnson's representations at around midnight last night. it's cumemtty— around midnight last night. it's currently reviewing it. the report— currently reviewing it. the report investigating whether mr yommsom— report investigating whether mr johnson ttet— report investigating whether mr johnson lied to— report investigating whether mr johnson lied to mps about the poumtmg— johnson lied to mps about the downing street— johnson lied to mps about the downing street partygate scandal was downing street partygate scandal expected — downing street partygate scandal was expected to— downing street partygate scandal was expected to be released this week— was expected to be released this week otter— was expected to be released this week after boris— was expected to be released this week after boris johnson's testgmottom— week after boris johnson's testgmottom .— week after boris johnson's resignation . an- week after boris johnson's resignation . an in the statement resignation. an in the statement the former— resignation. an in the statement the former prime— resignation. an in the statement the former prime minister ccuset— the former prime minister accused the— the former prime minister accused the committee of bias ome— accused the committee of bias mt cottet— accused the committee of bias mt cottet tt— accused the committee of bias and called it a— accused the committee of bias and called it a kangaroo court. at two— and called it a kangaroo court. at two pottce— and called it a kangaroo court. at two police officers have been served— at two police officers have been served utm— at two police officers have been served with gross— at two police officers have been served with gross misconduct mottces— served with gross misconduct mottces m— served with gross misconduct notices in connection with the teams— notices in connection with the deaths ot— notices in connection with the deaths of two— notices in connection with the deaths of two teenagers in

comm— deaths of two teenagers in cottttt ,— deaths of two teenagers in cardiff , kyrees_ deaths of two teenagers in cardiff , kyrees sullivan and cardiff, kyrees sullivan and howey— cardiff, kyrees sullivan and harvey toms— cardiff, kyrees sullivan and harvey evans died last month stottty— harvey evans died last month smottty otter— harvey evans died last month shortly after they were seen on cctv— shortly after they were seen on cctv ,— shortly after they were seen on cctv , riding— shortly after they were seen on cctv , riding an— shortly after they were seen on cctv , riding an e—bike and being cctv, riding an e—bike and being tottouet— cctv, riding an e—bike and being tottouet ty— cctv, riding an e—bike and being tottouet by e— cctv, riding an e—bike and being followed by a police van. the pottce— followed by a police van. the police regulator— followed by a police van. the police regulator says their conduct— police regulator says their conduct doesn't necessarily mean ttsctpttmoty— conduct doesn't necessarily mean disciplinary proceedings will tottou— disciplinary proceedings will tottou ome— disciplinary proceedings will follow and the— disciplinary proceedings will follow and the covid inquiry has teem— follow and the covid inquiry has been out — follow and the covid inquiry has been told. today— follow and the covid inquiry has been told. today the uk may not move— been told. today the uk may not have teem— been told. today the uk may not have been very— been told. today the uk may not have been very well prepared to teet— have been very well prepared to teot utm— have been very well prepared to teot uttt tte — have been very well prepared to deal with the pandemic. the lead touyet— deal with the pandemic. the lead touyet satu— deal with the pandemic. the lead lawyer said the— deal with the pandemic. the lead lawyer said the nation was taken by sutpttse— lawyer said the nation was taken by sutpttse mt— lawyer said the nation was taken by surprise and argued brexit tot— by surprise and argued brexit had distracted— by surprise and argued brexit had distracted the government mom— had distracted the government mom tmptoytme— had distracted the government from improving its strategy to toctte— from improving its strategy to toctte me— from improving its strategy to tackle the disease. the inquiry otso— tackle the disease. the inquiry otso teem— tackle the disease. the inquiry also heard local— tackle the disease. the inquiry also heard local health chiefs were repeatedly— also heard local health chiefs were repeatedly excluded from pomtemtc— were repeatedly excluded from pandemic planning . let's take pandemic planning. let's take you— pandemic planning. let's take you sttotgtt— pandemic planning. let's take you sttotgttt to— pandemic planning. let's take you straight to the united states— you straight to the united states ot— you straight to the united states of america, where we can bring— states of america, where we can tttmg you— states of america, where we can tttmg you me— states of america, where we can bring you live pictures. as of me— bring you live pictures. as of the arraignment— bring you live pictures. as of the arraignment that is due to tote— the arraignment that is due to tote ptoce— the arraignment that is due to tote ptoce m— the arraignment that is due to take place in the— the arraignment that is due to take place in the miami courthouse— take place in the miami courthouse in- take place in the miami courthouse in florida of the totmet— courthouse in florida of the totmet us— courthouse in florida of the former us president donald trump . ue-s— former us president donald trump . ue-s m— former us president donald trump . ue-s tm court— former us president donald trump . he's in court over— former us president donald trump . he's in court over his miss tomtttme— . he's in court over his miss tomtttmg ot— . he's in court over his miss handling or alleged mishandling of handling or alleged mishandling ot ctosstttet— handling or alleged mishandling of classified documents . for of classified documents. for mose— of classified documents. for those watching _ of classified documents. for those watching on television,

ttese— those watching on television, these pictures— those watching on television, these pictures outside the main couttttouse— these pictures outside the main coutttouse m— these pictures outside the main courthouse in miami. we saw the mototcote— courthouse in miami. we saw the mototcote ot— courthouse in miami. we saw the motorcade of donald trump ttotetttmg— motorcade of donald trump travelling down _ motorcade of donald trump travelling down the main highway topmos— travelling down the main highway towards me— travelling down the main highway towards the courthouse earlier on today— towards the courthouse earlier on today .— towards the courthouse earlier on totoy . ttot— towards the courthouse earlier on today . that has just arrived on today. that has just arrived out outstte— on today. that has just arrived out outside the— on today. that has just arrived out outside the courthouse. mr trump— out outside the courthouse. mr ttump facing— out outside the courthouse. mr ttump toctmg et— out outside the courthouse. mr trump facing 37 charges of mishandling— trump facing 37 charges of mishandling the files and he's ccuset— mishandling the files and he's cuset ot— mishandling the files and he's accused of unlawfully keeping us mottomtt— accused of unlawfully keeping us national security— accused of unlawfully keeping us national security data . he is national security data. he is me— national security data. he is the test— national security data. he is the first cousin,— national security data. he is the first cousin, current or totmet— the first cousin, current or former president, to face any cttmtmtt— former president, to face any criminal charges. _ former president, to face any criminal charges. mr trump has temtet— criminal charges. mr trump has temtet ott— criminal charges. mr trump has denied all the— criminal charges. mr trump has denied all the allegations in his denied all the allegations in tts tueetet— denied all the allegations in his tweeted within the last few mtmutes— his tweeted within the last few mtmutes mot— his tweeted within the last few minutes that it's— his tweeted within the last few minutes that it's a witch hunt on tv— minutes that it's a witch hunt on tv omttme— minutes that it's a witch hunt on tv online dab+ radio and on the tune— on tv online dab+ radio and on the tune m— on tv online dab+ radio and on the tune tm opp— on tv online dab+ radio and on the tune tm opp .— on tv online dab+ radio and on the tune in app . this is gb the tune in app. this is gb news.— the tune in app. this is gb news. pect— the tune in app. this is gb news. back now- the tune in app. this is gb news. back now to nigel . news. back now to nigel. farage wett— news. back now to nigel. farage mett, tast— news. back now to nigel. farage well, last week— news. back now to nigel. farage well, last week we _ news. back now to nigel. farage well, last week we were tomtttet — well, last week we were horrified by— well, last week we were horrified by the stabbings in ac.— horrified by the stabbings in to m— horrified by the stabbings in ac. in france. _ horrified by the stabbings in ac. in france. b

horrified by the stabbings in ac. in france. " g a.c. in france. this morning we awoke to news that very much the same thing had happened. the age of the victims was different, but stabbings, three dead in nottingham . well, the police are nottingham. well, the police are saying they talk about the suspect, but gb news has been leading with this story all day. we seem to know who the suspect is. let's go right now to the police station in nottingham and join mark white, gb news home and security editor. mark, you know something about this suspect .7 tell us more . yeah our suspect? tell us more. yeah our sources confirming to us- f“ e»; tint; “tit?" our sources confirming to us that ttts— sources confirming to us that ttts et— sources confirming to us that ttts st year— sources confirming to us that this 31 year old— sources confirming to us that this 31 year old prime time suspect— this 31 year old prime time suspect m— this 31 year old prime time suspect in the— this 31 year old prime time suspect in the fatal stabbing of three— suspect in the fatal stabbing of thee peopte— suspect in the fatal stabbing of three people and— suspect in the fatal stabbing of three people and in the injury of three people and in the injury ot tmee— three people and in the injury of three others— three people and in the injury of three others is— three people and in the injury of three others is in a west atttcom— of three others is in a west african migrant— of three others is in a west african migrant , of three others is in a west african migrant, a man, we're tott— african migrant, a man, we're tott utm— african migrant, a man, we're tott uttt o— african migrant, a man, we're told with a history of violence . now,— told with a history of violence . tott, utot— told with a history of violence . now, what we— told with a history of violence . now, what we don't know is , is . now, what we don't know is, is whether— . now, what we don't know is, is whether ttts— . now, what we don't know is, is whether this person— . now, what we don't know is, is whether this person was in the country— whether this person was in the country lawfully,— whether this person was in the country lawfully, illegally , country lawfully, illegally, utettet— country lawfully, illegally, whether he's— country lawfully, illegally, whether he's an asylum seeker. put— whether he's an asylum seeker. put m— whether he's an asylum seeker. put tm o— whether he's an asylum seeker. but in a sense,—

whether he's an asylum seeker. but in a sense, all— whether he's an asylum seeker. but in a sense, all of those arguments— but in a sense, all of those arguments will— but in a sense, all of those arguments will be had, of put— arguments will be had, of course. but there's a more ptesstmt— course. but there's a more ptesstme tssue— course. but there's a more pressing issue to be concerned utm— pressing issue to be concerned uttm uttct— pressing issue to be concerned with, which is— pressing issue to be concerned with, which is whether if those tttetet— with, which is whether if those alleged offences— with, which is whether if those alleged offences that he has a ttstoty— alleged offences that he has a ttstoty ot— alleged offences that he has a ttstoty ot te— alleged offences that he has a history of the violent offences , if history of the violent offences , tt ttey— history of the violent offences , tt they were— history of the violent offences , if they were committed in west atttco— , if they were committed in west atttct utete — , if they were committed in west africa where the— , if they were committed in west africa where the authorities who let africa where the authorities who tet ttm — africa where the authorities who tet ttm tmto — africa where the authorities who let him into this— africa where the authorities who let him into this country at any state— let him into this country at any state tute— let him into this country at any state ot— let him into this country at any stage aware of those offences tecuse— stage aware of those offences tecuse tt— stage aware of those offences because if they— stage aware of those offences because if they were then cteotty— because if they were then clearly letting _ because if they were then clearly letting him into the uk uoutt— clearly letting him into the uk would potentially really be totmtut— would potentially really be tttmtut to— would potentially really be harmful to the— would potentially really be harmful to the safety of the putttc. — harmful to the safety of the putttc. amt — harmful to the safety of the public. and just— harmful to the safety of the public. and just like in any country— public. and just like in any country around— public. and just like in any country around the world, you move— country around the world, you have mose— country around the world, you have those that— country around the world, you have those that vet others , you have those that vet others, you mow,— have those that vet others, you mow, ttose — have those that vet others, you know, those people that are comme— know, those people that are comtmt tmto— know, those people that are coming into to— know, those people that are coming into to their country to tetetmtme— coming into to their country to tetetmtme tt— coming into to their country to determine if they— coming into to their country to determine if they are people that— determine if they are people that me— determine if they are people that are conducive to the public 900d_ that are conducive to the public 900d tmt— that are conducive to the public toot omt tt— that are conducive to the public good and if they're not, they're not ottouet— good and if they're not, they're not allowed in.— good and if they're not, they're not allowed in. so— good and if they're not, they're not allowed in. so those tuesttoms— not allowed in. so those questions need to be answered as wet— questions need to be answered as wet tm— questions need to be answered as wet tm te— questions need to be answered as well in the fullness— questions need to be answered as well in the fullness of time. put— well in the fullness of time. put to— well in the fullness of time. put to me— well in the fullness of time. but for the moment, nigel, it's the stock— but for the moment, nigel, it's the stock ot— but for the moment, nigel, it's the shock of what—

but for the moment, nigel, it's the shock of what happened in the shock of what happened in the coty— the shock of what happened in the early hours— the shock of what happened in the early hours of— the shock of what happened in the early hours of this morning mete— the early hours of this morning here to— the early hours of this morning here to young— the early hours of this morning here to young students just in mett— here to young students just in ttett teens— here to young students just in their teens, stabbed to death as they— their teens, stabbed to death as they utttet— their teens, stabbed to death as they walked home— their teens, stabbed to death as they walked home from a night out utm— they walked home from a night out with other— they walked home from a night out with other students at a tocot— out with other students at a local nightclub _ out with other students at a local nightclub club. then a man in local nightclub club. then a man tm ms— local nightclub club. then a man tm tts ses— local nightclub club. then a man tm tts 50s was— local nightclub club. then a man in his 50s was stabbed to death. his in his 50s was stabbed to death. uts vom— in his 50s was stabbed to death. his van stolen— in his 50s was stabbed to death. his van stolen and— in his 50s was stabbed to death. his van stolen and used to ptoutt— his van stolen and used to plough tmto— his van stolen and used to plough into three other members of plough into three other members ot te— plough into three other members ot the putttc— plough into three other members of the public. one— plough into three other members of the public. one of those memets— of the public. one of those members of— of the public. one of those members of the- of the public. one of those members of the public still cttttcttty— members of the public still critically ill— members of the public still critically ill in— members of the public still critically ill in hospital tomtttt— critically ill in hospital tomtett . — critically ill in hospital tonight. c critically ill in hospital tonight. critically ill in hospital- tonight . mark, it's, of course , tonight. mark, it's, of course, an absolute catalogue of horror that took place in nottingham last night. you've been covering stories like this for the last couple of decades. if you know that this man was a west african migrant with a history of violence , why were the police violence, why were the police holding back at that press conference so much . well, i conference so much. well, i mean, to be fair— conference so much. well, i mean, to be fair to- conference so much. well, i mean, to be fair to the- f"�*"ti;”ti;f ”cf well, i mean, to be fair to the police, they— mean, to be fair to the police, they ate— mean, to be fair to the police, they are gathering the evidence tmt— they are gathering the evidence that they— they are gathering the evidence that they meet— they are gathering the evidence that they need to _ they are gathering the evidence that they need to gather on a suspect— that they need to gather on a suspect .— that they need to gather on a suspect . put— that they need to gather on a suspect . but and— that they need to gather on a suspect . but and often with any suspect. but and often with any suspect— suspect. but and often with any suspect tm— suspect. but and often with any

suspect in custody,— suspect. but and often with any suspect in custody, the name is usuotty— suspect in custody, the name is usually withheld— suspect in custody, the name is usually withheld by the police up umttt— usually withheld by the police up umttt tte — usually withheld by the police up until the moment that suspect is up until the moment that suspect ts cttttet— up until the moment that suspect ts cttttet .— up until the moment that suspect ts cttttet . to— up until the moment that suspect is charged . to be— up until the moment that suspect is charged . to be fair to the is charged. to be fair to the suspect— is charged. to be fair to the suspect ,— is charged. to be fair to the suspect , tt— is charged. to be fair to the suspect , it for— is charged. to be fair to the suspect , it for a— is charged. to be fair to the suspect , it for a start because suspect, it for a start because tt-s— suspect, it for a start because tt-s possttte— suspect, it for a start because tt-s possttte ,— suspect, it for a start because it's possible , of— suspect, it for a start because it's possible , of course, maybe it's possible, of course, maybe mot— it's possible, of course, maybe not tm— it's possible, of course, maybe not tm ttts— it's possible, of course, maybe not in this case,— it's possible, of course, maybe not in this case, but in many ttey— not in this case, but in many cases, they are— not in this case, but in many cases, they are a— not in this case, but in many cases, they are a suspect later gets— cases, they are a suspect later gets tetetset— cases, they are a suspect later gets released without any octtom— gets released without any octtom. so— gets released without any action. so the— gets released without any action. so the normal policy is they— action. so the normal policy is they tom-t— action. so the normal policy is they don't release— action. so the normal policy is they don't release names until all they don't release names until at they— they don't release names until at they ete— they don't release names until all they are charged . whether, all they are charged. whether, ttoutm— all they are charged. whether, tmouem ttey— all they are charged. whether, though, they could release ttctgtoumt— though, they could release background on— though, they could release background on an individual is another— background on an individual is another matter.— background on an individual is another matter. and you could mtyte— another matter. and you could moyte argue— another matter. and you could maybe argue that— another matter. and you could maybe argue that there is otsotutety— maybe argue that there is absolutely certainly a legitimate— absolutely certainly a legitimate public interest in ttem — legitimate public interest in ttem tome— legitimate public interest in them doing that . if not the them doing that. if not the pottce— them doing that. if not the pottce, tem— them doing that. if not the police, then certainly the politicians— police, then certainly the politicians suella braverman has mote— politicians suella braverman has mote t— politicians suella braverman has made a statement— politicians suella braverman has made a statement tonight. she tos— made a statement tonight. she has mentioned— made a statement tonight. she has mentioned nothing about the status— has mentioned nothing about the status ot— has mentioned nothing about the status ot ttts— has mentioned nothing about the status of this individual people and status of this individual people out tmt— status of this individual people out that t— status of this individual people and that i think— status of this individual people and that i think she will be getttme— and that i think she will be getting pressed— and that i think she will be getting pressed on in the hours tmt— getting pressed on in the hours out toys— getting pressed on in the hours and days ahead— getting pressed on in the hours and days ahead to just tell peopte— and days ahead to just tell peopte exoctty— and days ahead to just tell people exactly what the home omtce— people exactly what the home etttce ot— people exactly what the home office or what— people exactly what the home office or what the authorities

mew— office or what the authorities knew about— office or what the authorities knew about this— office or what the authorities knew about this individual, utettet— knew about this individual, utettet te— knew about this individual, whether he was in the country teeotty— whether he was in the country legally ot— whether he was in the country legally or mot,— whether he was in the country legally or not, and whether the proper— legally or not, and whether the proper ctects— legally or not, and whether the proper checks that should be tome — proper checks that should be tome tot— proper checks that should be done for anyone— proper checks that should be done for anyone coming into this country— done for anyone coming into this country ,— done for anyone coming into this country , tut— done for anyone coming into this country , but which— done for anyone coming into this country , but which so often are country, but which so often are mot— country, but which so often are not ott— country, but which so often are not at they— country, but which so often are not all they should be for all ttmts— not all they should be for all ttmts ot— not all they should be for all kinds of reasons,— not all they should be for all kinds of reasons, is whether mose— kinds of reasons, is whether those proper— kinds of reasons, is whether those proper checks were carried out . — those proper checks were carried out . absolutely.— those proper checks were carried out . absolutely. mark- those proper checks were carried out . ' ft" out. absolutely. mark white, well done for being ahead of the rest of all the news organisation ins and actually telling us who the suspect is, at least what the origins of the suspect are. funny isn't it, how the home secretary and police can't even give us any indication of who the suspect is? what are they afraid of ? is? what are they afraid of? will geddes security specialist and ceo of threat management firm international corporate protection group joins me. will well, does this look like terrorism to you ? okay. so this terrorism to you? okay. so this is a terrorism to you? okay. so this ts o petty— terrorism to you? okay. so this is a really interesting- 7 okay. so this is a really interesting facet, meet.— is a really interesting facet, uttet. t— is a really interesting facet, nigel. i looked— is a really interesting facet, nigel. i looked at all the component— nigel. i looked at all the component parts and whenever i put om— component parts and whenever i put up tmttysts— component parts and whenever i put an analysis together , i look put an analysis together, i look at tt— put an analysis together, i look at tt ttte— put an analysis together, i look at tt ttte o— put an analysis together, i look at it like a jigsaw— put an analysis together, i look at it like a jigsaw puzzle and i tote— at it like a jigsaw puzzle and i tote ott— at it like a jigsaw puzzle and i tote at me— at it like a jigsaw puzzle and i take all the various pieces of tott— take all the various pieces of tott te—

take all the various pieces of both the methodology and modus opettmtt— both the methodology and modus opetomtt ot— both the methodology and modus operandi of the— both the methodology and modus operandi of the attack . and i operandi of the attack. and i otso— operandi of the attack. and i ttso toot— operandi of the attack. and i also look at— operandi of the attack. and i also look at the— operandi of the attack. and i also look at the pieces that i put— also look at the pieces that i put tm— also look at the pieces that i can put in and— also look at the pieces that i can put in and contribute to tmt— can put in and contribute to that .— can put in and contribute to that . cm— can put in and contribute to that . on what— can put in and contribute to that . on what the authorities that. on what the authorities are that. on what the authorities tome— that. on what the authorities tome ,— that. on what the authorities are doing , how— that. on what the authorities are doing , how they respond, who are doing, how they respond, who tespomts— are doing, how they respond, who tespomts tmt— are doing, how they respond, who responds and at— are doing, how they respond, who responds and at what capacity ttey— responds and at what capacity ttey tespomt— responds and at what capacity ttey tespomt .— responds and at what capacity they respond . now, my gut has they respond. now, my gut has teem— they respond. now, my gut has been tetttmt— they respond. now, my gut has been telling me— they respond. now, my gut has been telling me right from the beginning— been telling me right from the beginning totty— been telling me right from the beginning today that there is some connectivity potentially, potemttotty— some connectivity potentially, potemttttty to — some connectivity potentially, potentially to terrorism throughout— potentially to terrorism throughout today, we've heard tmt— throughout today, we've heard that me— throughout today, we've heard that the authorities and potttcutotty— that the authorities and particularly the nottinghamshire pottce— particularly the nottinghamshire pottce tote— particularly the nottinghamshire police have said— particularly the nottinghamshire police have said they are working— police have said they are working with— police have said they are working with their colleagues in coumte— working with their colleagues in counter terrorism _ working with their colleagues in counter terrorism policing. now i counter terrorism policing. now t tom-t— counter terrorism policing. now t tom-t tttmt— counter terrorism policing. now i don't think it's— counter terrorism policing. now i don't think it's that straightforward. also the fact tmt— straightforward. also the fact trot urete— straightforward. also the fact that we've now— straightforward. also the fact that we've now got the origin of ms— that we've now got the origin of this individual,— that we've now got the origin of this individual, what i would utm— this individual, what i would want to— this individual, what i would want to know— this individual, what i would want to know is— this individual, what i would want to know is which west atrtcom— want to know is which west african country— want to know is which west african country this individual has african country this individual mos possttty— african country this individual has possibly come from, because as pust— has possibly come from, because as tust to— has possibly come from, because as tust to stop— has possibly come from, because as just to stop you— has possibly come from, because as just to stop you for a omet— as just to stop you for a moment, those watching can see some exclusive footage of the arrest— some exclusive footage of the arrest, which _ some exclusive footage of the arrest, which again, we're privy to. — arrest, which again, we're privy to. art— arrest, which again, we're privy to. art ts— arrest, which again, we're privy to. art as t— arrest, which again, we're privy to. and as a channel,- arrest, which again, we're privy to. ' t: f" arrest, which again, we're privy to. ' t“ " to. and as a channel, we've been leading the way on this. well sorry. yeah, very much so, nigel tmt— sorry. yeah, very much so, nigel omt t— sorry. yeah, very much so, nigel omt t meom— sorry. yeah, very much so, nigel omt t tm— sorry. yeah, very much so, nigel and i mean, in terms— yeah, very much so, nigel and i mean, in terms of that trest— and i mean, in terms of that west african— and i mean, in terms of that west african country, a lot of peopte—

west african country, a lot ofi people _ associate west african country, a lot of- people _ associate any people immediately associate any tmt— people immediately associate any ttmt—to— people immediately associate any kind—to usually- people immediately associate any kind north to usually people immediately associate any kind north africa» usually people immediately associate any kind north africa orsually people immediately associate any kind north africa or tonlly people immediately associate any kind north africa or to east either north africa or to east atrtco— either north africa or to east atrtct or— either north africa or to east atrtct or to— either north africa or to east africa or to the— either north africa or to east africa or to the middle east. ttuety— africa or to the middle east. ttuety to— africa or to the middle east. ttorety to trey— africa or to the middle east. rarely do they consider actually mere— rarely do they consider actually ttere ts— rarely do they consider actually there is prolific— rarely do they consider actually there is prolific terrorism in test— there is prolific terrorism in west africa, _ there is prolific terrorism in west africa, and— there is prolific terrorism in west africa, and that is presemtet— west africa, and that is presented by- west africa, and that is presented by boko haram , but presented by boko haram, but ttso— presented by boko haram, but ttso ty— presented by boko haram, but also by islamic— presented by boko haram, but also by islamic state . so for also by islamic state. so for tree— also by islamic state. so for tree to— also by islamic state. so for tree to te— also by islamic state. so for there to be a— also by islamic state. so for there to be a development ovemtttt— there to be a development overnight, which then attributes this overnight, which then attributes ttts os— overnight, which then attributes ttts ts ttts— overnight, which then attributes this as this individual either momt— this as this individual either ttytma teem— this as this individual either having been radicalised in some coptctty— having been radicalised in some copoctty or— having been radicalised in some copoctty or tos— having been radicalised in some capacity or has been contributing or engaging with sort— contributing or engaging with sort ot— contributing or engaging with some sort of terrorism group or agents— some sort of terrorism group or agenda, wouldn't— some sort of terrorism group or agenda, wouldn't come as a huge suprtse— agenda, wouldn't come as a huge suprtse to— agenda, wouldn't come as a huge suprtse to me— agenda, wouldn't come as a huge suprtse to me . — agenda, wouldn't come as a huge surprise to me . so— agenda, wouldn't come as a huge surprise to me . b agenda, wouldn't come as a huge surprise to me . " surprise to me. so in that situation, an organisation like prevent, i mean because the guy we're told has a history of violence. yes. would is that the kind of case that prevent would look at and monitor? i would hope so, yes. because- look at and monitor? i would hope so, yes. because i- rit“t: h�*tifit�* tit7 i would hope so, yes. because i mean, uten— hope so, yes. because i mean, when we— hope so, yes. because i mean, when we toot— hope so, yes. because i mean, when we look at— hope so, yes. because i mean, when we look at the profile of the vast— when we look at the profile of the vast majority— when we look at the profile of the vast majority of terrorists uto— the vast majority of terrorists who move— the vast majority of terrorists who have been— the vast majority of terrorists who have been subsequently opprememtet— who have been subsequently apprehended or— who have been subsequently apprehended or eliminated by the secutty— apprehended or eliminated by the secutty-ttey— apprehended or eliminated by the security they generally security forces, they generally utt— security forces, they generally uttt ott— security forces, they generally will all have— security forces, they generally will all have some degree of involvement— will all have some degree of involvement in— will all have some degree of involvement in crime or low tetet— involvement in crime or low level criminality.— involvement in crime or low level criminality. so for this

tmtttttuot— level criminality. so for this individual to— level criminality. so for this individual to have a history of ttotemce— individual to have a history of violence, this— individual to have a history of violence, this would not come as a violence, this would not come as o suptse— violence, this would not come as o suptse ts— violence, this would not come as a surprise, as a inject to that tapestry— a surprise, as a inject to that topestry ot— a surprise, as a inject to that tapestry of someone being a terrortst— tapestry of someone being a terrorist motivated individual. nowt_ terrorist motivated individual. uou we— terrorist motivated individual. tott, we tom-t— terrorist motivated individual. now, we don't know for certain, tut— now, we don't know for certain, put me— now, we don't know for certain, put the tact— now, we don't know for certain, but the fact that— now, we don't know for certain, but the fact that there has been statements— but the fact that there has been statements made _ but the fact that there has been statements made by not only the true— statements made by not only the prime minister,— statements made by not only the prime minister, the— statements made by not only the prime minister, the leader of me— prime minister, the leader of the opposition,— prime minister, the leader of the opposition, we look at crime tte— the opposition, we look at crime across the country— the opposition, we look at crime across the country and i think we sometimes— across the country and i think we sometimes have to step back trom— we sometimes have to step back trom tte— we sometimes have to step back from the trees— we sometimes have to step back from the trees to _ we sometimes have to step back from the trees to see the forest .ue- toot— from the trees to see the forest .ue- toot ot— from the trees to see the forest .-we look at the- from the trees to see the forest . we look at the amount of . when we look at the amount of crtmtmtttty— . when we look at the amount of criminality,-number- . when we look at the amount of criminality, number of criminality, the number of stttttmts— criminality, the number of- stabbings—here stabbings that take place here in stabbings that take place here tm-omt— stabbings that take place here tm-omt-tte- stabbings that take place here. in-and-the country in london and across the country ,-toot— in london and across the country ,-toot ot— in london and across the country ,-toot tt ttts— in london and across the country , look at this situation , and we look at this situation in , and we look at this situation tm tsottttom— , and we look at this situation in isolation. when— , and we look at this situation in isolation. when is an in isolation. when there is an precetemtet— in isolation. when there is an precedented response by the outtortttes— precedented response by the authorities is— precedented response by the authorities is now that sets my moms— authorities is now that sets my totrs running-— authorities is now that sets my hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep— hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep ,_ hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep , yep- _ hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep , yep- a_ hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep , yep- a huge- hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep , yep. ' d hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep , yep. ' gti yep, yep. a huge level of response . yes. and yet no response. yes. and yet no information indicates to me that they are very worried about the full story. getting out is the next thing we'll hear that the suspect had had mental health issues because time and again , issues because time and again, time sorry, but time and time i'm sorry, but time and again will when we have terrorist atrocity is oh, well, don't worry too much. the poor chap had mental health issues,

you this is a thing. i'm you know, this is a thing. i'm getting a bit tired. yeah,- getting a bit tired. yeah, it tmtutotes— getting a bit tired. yeah, it infuriates me.— getting a bit tired. yeah, it infuriates me. and you know, i get infuriates me. and you know, i tet-comments- infuriates me. and you know, i get comments from get a lot of comments from peopte— get a lot of comments from peopte uto — get a lot of comments from people who have mental health .tot— people who have mental health issues.-got some- people who have mental health issues. got some very dear issues. i've got some very dear trtemts— issues. i've got some very dear trtemts-tote— issues. i've got some very dear friends have mental health friends who have mental health issues,_broad- issues, and it's this broad trust— issues, and it's this broad brush banner,— issues, and it's this broad brush banner, think it's brush banner, and i think it's ttsrespect— brush banner, and i think it's disrespect-who- brush banner, and i think it's disrespect who do have disrespect to those who do have memtot— disrespect to those who do have mental health _ disrespect to those who do have mental health - but- disrespect to those who do have mental health but also mental health issues. but also i temt— mental health issues. but also i tttmt tt— mental health issues. but also i think it nullifies_ mental health issues. but also i think it nullifies the fact that ttts— think it nullifies the fact that this individual— think it nullifies the fact that this individual has a perverse tmt— this individual has a perverse and distorted— this individual has a perverse and distorted agenda that wants to carry— and distorted agenda that wants to carry out— and distorted agenda that wants to carry out these— and distorted agenda that wants to carry out these attacks . and to carry out these attacks. and mere— to carry out these attacks. and mere-teem— to carry out these attacks. and there been studies, nigel, there have been studies, nigel, tmt— there have been studies, nigel, and-increasing- there have been studies, nigel, and increasing number and there are increasing number of and there are increasing number ot stottsttcs— and there are increasing number of statistics being— and there are increasing number of statistics being brought together— of statistics being brought together about causation and comettttom — together about causation and correlation of— together about causation and correlation of those with mental teottt— correlation of those with mental teottt uto— correlation of those with mental health who then— correlation of those with mental health who then commit terrorist ttroctttes— health who then commit terrorist otroctttes .— health who then commit terrorist atrocities . and— health who then commit terrorist atrocities . and there is atrocities. and there is a correlation _ atrocities. and there is a correlation ,_ atrocities. and there is a correlation , but very rarely correlation, but very rarely custom— correlation, but very rarely custtom .— correlation, but very rarely causation . and- correlation, but very rarely causation . and it's rarely causation. and it's rarely tecuse— causation. and it's rarely because they've had mental teottt— because they've had mental health issues— because they've had mental health issues that they've then tome — health issues that they've then tome om — health issues that they've then come on to — health issues that they've then come on to carry— health issues that they've then gone on to carry out these attacks. — gone on to carry out these attacks. one— gone on to carry out these attacks. one of- gone on to carry out these attacks. qt gone on to carry out these attacks. page. attacks. one of the arguments that peter hitchens, the veteran journalist the mail on sunday journalist on the mail on sunday makes time and again, you makes is, is time and again, you see people committed see people who've committed terrorist atrocities britain terrorist atrocities in britain and also linked to heavy and europe also linked to heavy drug use. yeah indeed. i mean, there's usually some— t:g / :: imean, there's usually some either a ctoss— there's usually some either a ctoss or— there's usually some either a ctoss or p— there's usually some either a class or b class—

there's usually some either a class or b class involvement. mere— class or b class involvement. ttere te— class or b class involvement. ttere t— class or b class involvement. there are a number of different toctors— there are a number of different toctors mere— there are a number of different factors here which— there are a number of different factors here which can potentially— factors here which can potentially contribute it. so it toesm-t— potentially contribute it. so it doesn't necessarily and again , doesn't necessarily and again, to suste— doesn't necessarily and again, to soothe tt— doesn't necessarily and again, to swathe it with— doesn't necessarily and again, to swathe it with mental health, i to swathe it with mental health, ttttmt— to swathe it with mental health, t tttmt ts— to swathe it with mental health, ttttmt ts o— to swathe it with mental health, t tttmt ts o cop— to swathe it with mental health, i think is a cop out— to swathe it with mental health, i think is a cop out in some reports.— i think is a cop out in some reports. t— i think is a cop out in some regards. i don't— i think is a cop out in some regards. i don't think it's reotty— regards. i don't think it's rettty t— regards. i don't think it's rettty t you— regards. i don't think it's really i you know, it's being disrespectful— really i you know, it's being disrespectful to _ really i you know, it's being disrespectful to the mental teottt— disrespectful to the mental health community and those suttertme— health community and those suffering from _ health community and those suffering from it. but i think it's suffering from it. but i think tt-s otso— suffering from it. but i think it's also disrespectful to the temerot— it's also disrespectful to the general public— it's also disrespectful to the general public because it's not octuotty— general public because it's not octuotty-ttem- general public because it's not actually them any insight actually giving them any insight .—tmstttttut- actually giving them any insight ._insightful look. . lviv look or insightful look tmto— . lviv look or insightful look tmto umtt— . lviv look or insightful look into what drove— . lviv look or insightful look into what drove this person to ctrrytmt— into what drove this person to corryma out— into what drove this person to carrying out and— into what drove this person to carrying out and committing ttese— carrying out and committing these crimes— carrying out and committing these crimes .— carrying out and committing these crimes . and we know there these crimes. and we know there are these crimes. and we know there peopte— these crimes. and we know there peopte uto— these crimes. and we know there are people who are— these crimes. and we know there are people who are out are people who are evil out mere— are people who are evil out mere-tote— are people who are evil out there have perfectly normal there who have perfectly normal tttes. — there who have perfectly normal lives. - perfectly- lives. they have perfectly mormtt— lives. they have perfectly normal-have. lives. they have perfectly- normal-have perfectly normal jobs. they have perfectly mormot—ttey- normal jobs. they have perfectly normal—they have. normal jobs. they have perfectly normal they have a normal friends, but they have a teste— normal friends, but they have a testre tmt— normal friends, but they have a desire and need— normal friends, but they have a desire and need because of radicalisation_ desire and need because of radicalisation or— desire and need because of radicalisation or influence from sort— radicalisation or influence from sort to— radicalisation or influence from some sort to carry— radicalisation or influence from some sort to carry out these attacks— some sort to carry out these attacks . — some sort to carry out these attacks . will— some sort to carry out these attacks . �*ft�* cc c:: attacks. will geddes as ever, thank you for joining attacks. will geddes as ever, thank you forjoining me on the thank you for joining me on the program. um, i can't speak late on would be a mistake, on this. it would be a mistake, but if mark white and he hinted at this, if it turns out this man had a history of violence in west africa, but was allowed to stay in this country, there will be one hell of a row in a

moment. andrew jameson will join me, a biographer of boris johnson will get the latest and i'll get andrew to speculate on does boris have a future in

news radio. well, boris johnson very much in the news the last few days. i suppose the background- suppose the background to all of this suppose the background to all of ttts tm— suppose the background to all of ttts tm ms— suppose the background to all of this in his fall— suppose the background to all of this in his fall from grace has teem— this in his fall from grace has been toes— this in his fall from grace has been does he— this in his fall from grace has been does he tell the truth? tet-s— been does he tell the truth? tet-s remtmt— been does he tell the truth? let's remind ourselves of this exchange— let's remind ourselves of this exctttmte tm— let's remind ourselves of this exchange in the— let's remind ourselves of this exchange in the house of commons. yes- exchange in the house of commons. yes - exchange in the house of commons. yes it.” commons. yes thank you, mr speaken commons. yes thank you, mr speaker. will the prime minister tell the house whether there was a party in downing street on the 13th of november? depher prime minister. mr speaker, no . but minister. mr speaker, no. but tm— minister. mr speaker, no. but t-m sue— minister. mr speaker, no. but t-m tut— it. ’“ mr speaker, no. but i'm sure that whatever happened , tte— i'm sure that whatever happened the gutttmce— i'm sure that whatever happened , the guidance was— i'm sure that whatever happened , the guidance was followed and the cues— , the guidance was followed and the rules were _ , the guidance was followed and the rules were followed at all ttmes— the rules were followed at all ttmes . — the rules were followed at all ttmes. okay.— the rules were followed at all times . okay. well- the rules were followed at all times. flitticc the rules were followed at all times . flitticc t’it“ the rules were followed at all times . cine/say flitticc t’it“ s“ the rules were followed at all times . t’it“ 3“ times. okay. well on the 13th of

november, there was a leaving party and there was a photograph of boris johnson and a group of people saying cheers with large glasses of something quite alcoholic. i'm joined by andrew gimson, by photographer of boris johnson, contributor to conservative home. you've studied boris for years and written about boris, the committee. now we learned today that he made a sort of last minute approach to the committee , the publication of the report has been delayed . for printing has been delayed. for printing reasons, we're told, and but a committee that had four members of the conservative party, mps on it have found that he wilfully misled parliament. what's your view? well i think he he lost the confidence of his colleagues. 148 of them voted otttmst— colleagues. 148 of them voted tootmst ttm — colleagues. 148 of them voted tootmst ttm tm— colleagues. 148 of them voted against him in the— colleagues. 148 of them voted against him in the in- fgc. 148 of them voted against him in the in the comfort— against him in the in the comfort ince— against him in the in the comfort ince vote that the conservative _ comfort ince vote that the conservative party had just umter— conservative party had just umter t— conservative party had just umter o yeu— conservative party had just under a year ago . then 60 of under a year ago. then 60 of ttem — under a year ago. then 60 of ttem sott— under a year ago. then 60 of them said they— under a year ago. then 60 of them said they wouldn't serve umter— them said they wouldn't serve umter ttm. — them said they wouldn't serve under him. and— them said they wouldn't serve under him. and that's the way our

under him. and that's the way system— under him. and that's the way our system works. _ under him. and that's the way our system works. he got chucked out ty— our system works. he got chucked out by ms— our system works. he got chucked out by tts oom— our system works. he got chucked out by his own party as many ttsttmtutst— out by his own party as many distinguish people, including ttutuet— distinguish people, including margaret thatcher, have been more— margaret thatcher, have been tetore ttm— margaret thatcher, have been before him, for— margaret thatcher, have been before him, for not telling the truth. — before him, for not telling the truth. mett— before him, for not telling the truth. well i because - before him, for not telling the. truth. well i because - had truth. well, because they had lost in him . i don't lost confidence in him. i don't think i don't think— lost confidence in him. i don't think i don't think that- tttit“ :f “ “ i don't think i don't think that this very— think i don't think that this very prectse— think i don't think that this very precise sort of new york ttmes— very precise sort of new york ttmes tact— very precise sort of new york times fact checking approach is rettty— times fact checking approach is rettty tte— times fact checking approach is rettty the toy— times fact checking approach is really the way to _ times fact checking approach is really the way to understand ports. — really the way to understand ports. -tm— really the way to understand boris-in general- really the way to understand boris. in general terms, boris. i think in general terms, he boris. i think in general terms, tte ttt— boris. i think in general terms, tte ttt tte— boris. i think in general terms, tte ttt tte ttt— boris. i think in general terms, he did he did tell— boris. i think in general terms, he did he did tell the truth. ue-t— he did he did tell the truth. ue-t soy,— he did he did tell the truth. ue-t say we— he did he did tell the truth. he'd say, we get brexit done, tut— he'd say, we get brexit done, tut om— he'd say, we get brexit done, but on factual— he'd say, we get brexit done, but on factual matters, totally umettttte— but on factual matters, totally umettotte .— but on factual matters, totally unreliable . he— but on factual matters, totally unreliable . he couldn't, unreliable. he couldn't, coutttt— unreliable. he couldn't, couldn't, couldn't care less about— couldn't, couldn't care less about facts.— couldn't, couldn't care less about facts. and- couldn't, couldn't care less about facts. and that's what john — about facts. and that's what john percou— about facts. and that's what john bercow said actually, when ostet— john bercow said actually, when asked whether— john bercow said actually, when asked whether he— john bercow said actually, when asked whether he a liar, he asked whether he was a liar, he sett— asked whether he was a liar, he sttt mo— asked whether he was a liar, he sttt tut— asked whether he was a liar, he said no, but he— asked whether he was a liar, he said no, but he has— asked whether he was a liar, he said no, but he has a wilful ttsretut— said no, but he has a wilful disregard for— said no, but he has a wilful disregard for the truth, which you— disregard for the truth, which you cm— disregard for the truth, which you soy— disregard for the truth, which you can say amounts. but what i tom-t— you can say amounts. but what i tout-stout— you can say amounts. but what i don't-about calling- you can say amounts. but what i don't about calling him don't like about calling him a tu— don't like about calling him a ttu ts— don't like about calling him a ttu ts tut— don't like about calling him a liar is that people think then trey-te— liar is that people think then ttey-te —ttm - liar is that people think then. they've-him .they they've dealt with him and they totem-t. — they've dealt with him and they potent-very- haven't. politics is very complicated— haven't. politics is very. complicated-and complicated business and he's more-persom-tl complicated business and he's- more-person.-a much more complex person. he's a much comptex— more complex person. he's a much more complex-than- more complex person than that. ue-s— more complex person than that. he'sldramatist,_ more complex person than that. he's dramatist, and is he's a dramatist, really. and is a play— he's a dramatist, really. and is o ptty true?— he's a dramatist, really. and is a play true? well,— he's a dramatist, really. and is a play true? well, of course tt-s—true, - a play true? well, of course it's—true, but. a play true? well, of coursei it's—true, but the it's not literally true, but the emottoms— it's not literally true, but the emotions and _ it's not literally true, but the emotions and so— it's not literally true, but the emotions and so on that he expresses might— emotions and so on that he expresses might there might be a teep— expresses might there might be a teep trum— expresses might there might be a teep trutt tm— expresses might there might be a deep truth in them— expresses might there might be a deep truth in them . ' “t: expresses might there might be a deep truth in them . '“t: attic expresses might there might be a deep truth in them . ' “t: attic deep truth in them. and yet when people are polled , you know, two

people are polled, you know, two thirds of the country, when they're asked what word do you most with boris, liar most associate with boris, liar comes to the top. comes very near to the top. yes, he's fulfilled absolutely pertectty— yes, he's fulfilled absolutely pertectty. tte— yes, he's fulfilled absolutely perfectly. the main function of all perfectly. the main function of at true— perfectly. the main function of all prime ministers, which is to tote— all prime ministers, which is to tote tte— all prime ministers, which is to take the blame.— all prime ministers, which is to take the blame. and that's the eostest— take the blame. and that's the eostest tttmt— take the blame. and that's the easiest thing to— take the blame. and that's the easiest thing to get him on. you mow,— easiest thing to get him on. you mow, tt-s— easiest thing to get him on. you mow, tt-s t— easiest thing to get him on. you know, it's a knockdown thing. mere— know, it's a knockdown thing. there ue— know, it's a knockdown thing. there are various— know, it's a knockdown thing. there are various things. let's tote— there are various things. let's tote-tt— there are various things. let's tote-at ttts— there are various things. let's have at this picture. have a look at this picture. andrew this is so, you know, andrew and this is so, you know, this this is the 13th of this is the this is the 13th of november where there are plenty of the room there of people in the room there toasting glasses. as we're toasting with glasses. as we're told, was a party told, there was quite a party that on, as you say, maybe that went on, as you say, maybe not lying, but but struggling a bit the time bit with the truth at the time when we couldn't go and visit our grandparents. yeah i think he feels it's a completely trivial thing, but of course. and rules are made to be and that rules are made to be totem—ot- and that rules are made to be broken—of course| broken anyhow. and of course some-tout— broken anyhow. and of course some-don't feel- broken anyhow. and of course. some-don't feel-and some people don't feel that and teet— some people don't feel that and teet-tery— some people don't feel that and teet-tery teepty- some people don't feel that and feel very deeply and feel very, very deeply and whatever,— feel very, very deeply and whatever, - i - feel very, very deeply and. whatever, - i .even feel very, very deeply and- whatever,-i.even you whatever, whatever i or even you say whatever, whatever i or even you soy ttts— whatever, whatever i or even you soy tmts etemtmt— whatever, whatever i or even you say this evening will not change a say this evening will not change o stutte— say this evening will not change a single person's— say this evening will not change a single person's mind. and some peopte— a single person's mind. and some peopte ue— a single person's mind. and some people are instinctively and stropety— people are instinctively and strongly hostile to him and otters— strongly hostile to him and otters ue— strongly hostile to him and others are equally strongly favourable— others are equally strongly favourable towards this live and let favourable towards this live and tet ttte. — favourable towards this live and tet ttte. merry— favourable towards this live and let live. merry england

conservatism - let live. merry england conservatism people love. but tot— conservatism people love. but we've now got a— conservatism people love. but we've now got a different we've got o— we've now got a different we've got u tutte— we've now got a different we've got a quite different kind of conservative— got a quite different kind of conservative leader and the party— conservative leader and the potty overtu— conservative leader and the party overall want rishi sunak to te— party overall want rishi sunak to be given— party overall want rishi sunak to te attem o— party overall want rishi sunak to be given a chance to show umtt— to be given a chance to show that me— to be given a chance to show what he cm— to be given a chance to show what he can do— to be given a chance to show what he can do and to show that trey-te— what he can do and to show that they've learned _ what he can do and to show that they've learned from the things uttct— they've learned from the things uttct ttt— they've learned from the things which did undoubtedly go wrong utter— which did undoubtedly go wrong umter ports— which did undoubtedly go wrong under boris johnson, war of under boris johnson, the war of ports— under boris johnson, the war of torts-ttem- under boris johnson, the war of words-them was- under boris johnson, the war of words them was quite words between them was quite tttter— words between them was quite utter—mem- words between them was quite otter—mem .- words between them was quite| bitter_ mean , you bitter yesterday. i mean, you mow.— bitter yesterday. i mean, you know, just the way that rishi sunak he me to sunak said that he asked me to do i didn't think it do something. i didn't think it was right quite biting, wasn't it? quite biting . and certainly it? quite biting. and certainly i it? quite biting. and certainly t temt— it? quite biting. and certainly i think sunak— it? quite biting. and certainly i think sunak wants- it? quite biting. and certainly i think sunak wants to- c7 (etc. c “g and certainly i think sunak wants to show that rte-s— i think sunak wants to show that tte-s rte-s— i think sunak wants to show that tte-s tte-s tutte— i think sunak wants to show that he's he's quite different he's he's quite a different character— he's he's quite a different character and— he's he's quite a different character and actually character and this actually attes— character and this actually gives-chance- character and this actually gives-chance to- character and this actually gives chance to dramatise gives him a chance to dramatise tut.— gives him a chance to dramatise ttot- — gives him a chance to dramatise that. team— gives him a chance to dramatise that.- yeah. and- gives him a chance to dramatise that.- yeah. and if- gives him a chance to dramatise that. “tit?“ ' “t: �*" that. yeah yeah. and if people don't like it, that's tough. i mean, it was, it was, it was interesting from sunak us johnson, clearly did not want to face the conclusions of this committee, not to face committee, did not want to face this. the suspension did not want to face a recall by—election, which would have happened , i think, in uxbridge. happened, i think, in uxbridge. he's gone. he's angry. what fascinates me are the newspapers are full of when will boris attempt to come back . and i

attempt to come back. and i can't see them ever letting him back in, can you? well, boris can back in, can you? well, boris tum— back in, can you? well, boris can turn on a sixpence- i “ i titc7 well, boris can turn on a sixpence and i “ is“ titc7 well, boris can turn on a sixpence and he umtt— can turn on a sixpence and he uttt os— can turn on a sixpence and he that as t— can turn on a sixpence and he sees what as a man, he's a toumottst— sees what as a man, he's a toumtttst .— sees what as a man, he's a toumtttst. ue— sees what as a man, he's a journalist . he saw what the journalist. he saw what the story— journalist. he saw what the story was— journalist. he saw what the story tmt— journalist. he saw what the story was and he saw when the story— story was and he saw when the story ttt— story was and he saw when the story had changed. and that's the difficult— story had changed. and that's the difficult thing. and politicians— the difficult thing. and politicians need the same ottttty— politicians need the same ottttty to— politicians need the same ability to know when the stories ctomte— ability to know when the stories chute-tte— ability to know when the stories change.-the story- ability to know when the stories change. the story the change. well, the story at the omet— change. well, the story at the momem-tte- change. well, the story at the moment the conservative moment is that the conservative party— moment is that the conservative potty—ony— moment is that the conservative potty—outy-oti party reckons its only chance of utmtmt— party reckons its only chance of winning-election- party reckons its only chance of winning-election is- party reckons its only chance of winning election is to winning the next election is to umtte— winning the next election is to umtte-ttts— winning the next election is to unite-this rather- winning the next election is to unite this rather boring unite under this rather boring but-competent- unite under this rather boring but competent and his but highly competent and in his way but highly competent and in his troy omtotte— but highly competent and in his way amiable reputable . all way amiable and reputable. all new-minister— way amiable and reputable. all new-minister. - way amiable and reputable. all new minister . bit“ i“ way amiable and reputable. all- new-minister. which means. new prime minister. which means. which means there's no space for bods which means there's no space for boris johnson. there's no space for boris johnson. there's no space tor ports— boris johnson. there's no space for boris johnson.— boris johnson. there's no space for boris johnson. but- ““ there's no space for boris johnson. but people utt— for boris johnson. but people uttt mtss— for boris johnson. but people will miss him.— for boris johnson. but people will miss him. oddly enough, tte— will miss him. oddly enough, toe—tte- i've even heard the odd toumottst— i've even heard the odd journalist because he's journalist who, because he's rte-s— journalist who, because he's tes—to- journalist who, because he's tes—to mts- journalist who, because he's he's—to his oldi he's so generous to his old tote,— he's so generous to his old trade,.provides- he's so generous to his old trade, provides so much good trade, he provides so much good copy— trade, he provides so much good copy, toot— trade, he provides so much good copy, good coverage. posticcy copy, good coverage. exactly. totctty. — copy, good coverage. exactly. txoctty. tte— copy, good coverage. exactly. exactly. the theatre- copy, good coverage. xtsticcy posticcy the theatre of exactly. the theatre of pottttcs— exactly. the theatre of politics, which - posticcy the theatre of politics, which and the puritans umt— politics, which and the puritans wont to— politics, which and the puritans want to -theatres. - politics, which and the puritans want to theatres. they want to close theatres. they tote— want to close theatres. they hate theatre— want to close theatres. they hate theatre .— want to close theatres. they hate theatre . they think theatre hate theatre. they think theatre is hate theatre. they think theatre ts-tmt— hate theatre. they think theatre is-and frivolous- hate theatre. they think theatre is-and frivolous .- hate theatre. they think theatre is and frivolous . and is irrelevant and frivolous. and we is irrelevant and frivolous. and ueser-tous— is irrelevant and frivolous. and we-serious people- is irrelevant and frivolous. and we serious people for we need serious people for setous- amt- we need serious people for. serious-. and .write serious times. and they write treat— serious times. and they write treat-omtctes- serious times. and they write great articles and serious times. and they write - great-articles and boris great pompous articles and boris uouttm-t— great pompous articles and boris uouttm-t temt— great pompous articles and boris wouldn't hang around to listen to-pompous— wouldn't hang around to listen to pompous homilies to the pompous homilies that u-ereto— to the pompous homilies that were-to-to- to the pompous homilies that were-to-to himj were going to be read to him mts— were going to be read to him ttts treet— were going to be read to him ttts weet ty— were going to be read to him this week by this— were going to be read to him this week by this committee. tut— this week by this committee. tut-tomo— this week by this committee.

tut-toms tos— this week by this committee. but-going has damaged. this week by this committee. but going has damaged the but he's going has damaged the party. virtually gifted party. he's virtually gifted uxbndge party. he's virtually gifted uxbridge the labour party. uxbridge to the labour party. goodness knows what happen uxbridge to the labour party. gothe ess knows what happen uxbridge to the labour party. gothe mid—bedfordshire happen in the mid—bedfordshire by—election as well . if an by—election as well. if an association in somewhere, who knows where oxfordshire is, who's to say where to choose bods who's to say where to choose boris johnson to be their candidate for the next general election ? sunak couldn't allow election? sunak couldn't allow it, could he ? i think he it, could he? i think he prototy— c i: “ti7 ithink he probably wouldn't . but it's probably wouldn't. but it's a tttttcutt— probably wouldn't. but it's a difficult choice— probably wouldn't. but it's a difficult choice for him because he com-t— difficult choice for him because he can't afford— difficult choice for him because he can't afford a— difficult choice for him because he can't afford a civil war uttttm— he can't afford a civil war uttttm tte— he can't afford a civil war within the conservative party. tte— within the conservative party. the conservative _ within the conservative party. the conservative party has got to—tttt-s- the conservative party has got to—tttt-s whyl the conservative party has goti to _that's why it's to be united and that's why it's teem— to be united and that's why it's been-successful. - to be united and that's why it's been successful. been so successful. so the gamble— been so successful. so the gamble would be, well, if he thinks boris is weak enough, then he'll say no. but boris, tttstortcotty— then he'll say no. but boris, historically has— then he'll say no. but boris, historically has had- then he'll say no. but boris, historically has had a- ’“ti“ cc but boris, historically has had a very, very— historically has had a very, very trey— historically has had a very, very ttey tove— historically has had a very, very they love him in henley, vttct— very they love him in henley, uttct ts— very they love him in henley, uttct ts tte— very they love him in henley, which is the obvious seat for ttm— which is the obvious seat for tttm to— which is the obvious seat for tttm to 90— which is the obvious seat for pm to to tor.— which is the obvious seat for him to go for. he's bought a mtce— him to go for. he's bought a mouse— him to go for. he's bought a nice house there— him to go for. he's bought a nice house there that that's, mot-s— nice house there that that's, that's where _ nice house there that that's, that's where child number three on that's where child number three om te— that's where child number three on the voy— that's where child number three on the way with— that's where child number three on the way with carrie and he mous— on the way with carrie and he knows every— on the way with carrie and he knows every inch— on the way with carrie and he knows every inch of it and it's a knows every inch of it and it's o teoutttut— knows every inch of it and it's a beautiful bit— knows every inch of it and it's a beautiful bit of— knows every inch of it and it's a beautiful bit of bit of country. — a beautiful bit of bit of country. and- a beautiful bit of bit of country. ' “t: “ a beautiful bit of bit of- country. and what's his legacy as prime minister well, brexit, the as prime minister well, brexit, ttte vccmes— as prime minister well, brexit,

the vaccines and— as prime minister well, brexit, the vaccines and seeing- 37” it. “ well, brexit, the vaccines and seeing very euty— the vaccines and seeing very eorty mtvmt— the vaccines and seeing very early having the— the vaccines and seeing very early having the courage and to see early having the courage and to otem— early having the courage and to see when ukraine— early having the courage and to see when ukraine deserved and umterstomttmt— see when ukraine deserved and understanding that this was rettty— understanding that this was rettty ves— understanding that this was really was about freedom. just as really was about freedom. just os prett— really was about freedom. just as brexit was. _ really was about freedom. just as brexit was. we— really was about freedom. just as brexit was. �*ft�*ti gtit as brexit was. we got some we got some breaking news on boris got some breaking news on bods bods got some breaking news on bods boris johnson has urged the privileges committee to publish its report on whether he lied to parliament partygate and parliament over partygate and let the world judge there nonsense as he hit out at the paneps nonsense as he hit out at the panel's absurdity. absurdly unfair rules. in a statement it right. okay, so he's still going dght. okay, so he's still going . he's still going. he's still battling away trying to frame the thing in his own way. he won't just sit and wait- “g “ ’“ he won't just sit and wait for mts.— won't just sit and wait for ttts. ttts— won't just sit and wait for this. this torrent of criticism to pou— this. this torrent of criticism to pour over— this. this torrent of criticism to pour over him _ this. this torrent of criticism to pour over him on the legacy text.— to pour over him on the legacy prextt. — to pour over him on the legacy prextt. vou— to pour over him on the legacy brexit. you said— to pour over him on the legacy brexit. you said yes.- to pour over him on the legacy brexit. /titc t: titi brexit. you said yes. vaccine rollout. yes could only happen because of brexit. but taking a stance over ukraine? yes, i think it would,— stance over ukraine? yes, i think it would, yes.- stance over ukraine? yes, i think it would, yes. - stance over ukraine? yes, i think it would, yes. otherwise it think it would, yes. otherwise tt ups— think it would, yes. otherwise it was the european commission. yeah. yeah. yeah. who were going to be in charge and on russia, our foreign policy for the last few years had been we did not speak out individually. we were

supposed so collectively supposed to do so collectively with the eu. so yes, it all leads from brexit. yes. if brexit is back and i've been speculating over the weekend about because i've said if about this because i've said if you people and say who's you poll people and say who's responsible which responsible for brexit, which either them heroes either makes them heroes or villains, names. you villains, you get two names. you get bods villains, you get two names. you get boris johnson and nigel farage. if the next labour farage. yes if the next labour government was to threaten brexit, would have to come brexit, he would have to come back in some way to defend his legacy, wouldn't he? yes, i'd be surprised legacy, wouldn't he? yes, i'd be suprtset tt— legacy, wouldn't he? yes, i'd be surprised if keir— legacy, wouldn't he? yes, i'd be surprised if keir starmer- gig/pig : “ c “ti7 yes, i'd be surprised if keir starmer does it surprised if keir starmer does tt tut— surprised if keir starmer does it that directly,— surprised if keir starmer does it that directly, keir it that directly, because keir storme— it that directly, because keir starmer—great. it that directly, because keir starmer of, great it that directly, because keir starmer of, of great it that directly, because keir starmer of, of coursejreat it that directly, because keir starmer of, of course he it it that directly, because keir starmer of, of course he has problem of, of course he has a treat— problem of, of course he has a great many— problem of, of course he has a great many ot— problem of, of course he has a great many of the— problem of, of course he has a great many of the liberal intelligentsia— great many of the liberal intelligentsia who still think tut— intelligentsia who still think trot prest— intelligentsia who still think that brexit is— intelligentsia who still think that brexit is the root cause of all that brexit is the root cause of at ou— that brexit is the root cause of all our troubles— that brexit is the root cause of all our troubles and everything in -wonderful,- all our troubles and everything in wonderful, which is in europe is wonderful, which is nonsenseiwell_ in europe is wonderful, which is nonsense well then ask them nonsense. well then ask them umtt— nonsense. well then ask them what trey— nonsense. well then ask them what they think— nonsense. well then ask them what they think about the uupeortom— what they think about the hungarian prime minister, for exompte— hungarian prime minister, for exempte. put— hungarian prime minister, for example. but but yeah. so it's yettt— example. but but yeah. so it's yetm tt-s— example. but but yeah. so it's yetm, tt-s sorry,— example. but but yeah. so it's yeah, it's sorry, i've lost my trom— yeah, it's sorry, i've lost my trotm ot— yeah, it's sorry, i've lost my train of thought— yeah, it's sorry, i've lost my train of thought there. �*ft�*ticc train of thought there. well, t-m — train of thought there. well, t-m rust— train of thought there. well, t-m rust etymo— train of thought there. well, i'm just saying, you know , with i'm just saying, you know, with bods, with all of these things , as i'm saying, at some point in the future, if, if labour take us into the single market and we then go towards an

associate membership. yes. and it brexit in name only, it becomes brexit in name only, literally he'd have to come back and fight for that. well, he certainly comment- and fight for that. well, he certainly comment on- s“t: �*7 g“ well, he certainly comment on it. he'd ttem— certainly comment on it. he'd ttttt om— certainly comment on it. he'd ttttt om tt— certainly comment on it. he'd ttett om tt tt— certainly comment on it. he'd fight on it if he— certainly comment on it. he'd fight on it if he thought there was an opportunity for him to test— was an opportunity for him to tett tte— was an opportunity for him to lead the thing.— was an opportunity for him to lead the thing. and he does, otvtousty. — lead the thing. and he does, obviously. is— lead the thing. and he does, obviously. is that- lead the thing. and he does, obviously. c obviously. is that what it's all about with him? it all about about with him? is it all about him? not all about him, him? no it's not all about him, but it is about what's practical. and so he agonised. i years too— ii and so he agonised. i mean, years ago agonised mean, years ago he agonised mout— mean, years ago he agonised about whether— mean, years ago he agonised about whether go in for being about whether to go in for being ttoyor— about whether to go in for being ttoyorltomtom— about whether to go in for being mayor london because ken mayor of london because ken ttvtmtstome— mayor of london because ken livingstone thousand mayor of london because ken livingtwasz thousand mayor of london because ken livingtwas reckoned iousand mayor of london because ken livingtwas reckoned t01sand mayor of london because ken livingtwas reckoned to beid seven was reckoned to be tmvtmcttte— seven was reckoned to be invincible, and - seven was reckoned to be invincible, and he decided ken vosmt— invincible, and he decided ken outset-ttt.— invincible, and he decided ken wasn't.-did. he- invincible, and he decided ken wasn't. did. he did think wasn't. but he did. he did think about— wasn't. but he did. he did think otoutlomt— wasn't. but he did. he did think about.and.asked- wasn't. but he did. he did think about and asked everyone's about it and he asked everyone's optmtom— about it and he asked everyone's optmtomlte— about it and he asked everyone's opinion-he went— about it and he asked everyone's opinion he went round. and opinion as he went round. and ttem— opinion as he went round. and mem-ott— opinion as he went round. and then-all felt,— opinion as he went round. and then-all felt,-of- opinion as he went round. and then all felt, of them then they all felt, each of them tmttvttuotty— then they all felt, each of them individually felt— then they all felt, each of them individually felt that they were respomsttte— individually felt that they were responsible—him . responsible for getting him to stomt. —eoct- responsible for getting him to stand.-each of- responsible for getting him to stand. each of them stand. so he left each of them utm— stand. so he left each of them tum-teem— stand. so he left each of them with heart warming with his heart warming impression. _ with his heart warming impression. it up impression. but he weighed it up ya,— impression. but he weighed it up very—amt- impression. but he weighed it up very—amt te-ttl very, very carefully. and he'll do very, very carefully. and he'll to-ototm— very, very carefully. and he'll to-otttm .— very, very carefully. and he'll do-again . and- very, very carefully. and he'll- do-again . and -with do that again. and he did. with text.— do that again. and he did. with trevtt. vett. — do that again. and he did. with brexit. yeah. yes.— do that again. and he did. with brexit. yeah. yes. so- do that again. and he did. �*ft�* fiéitix c t/tits“ yes. so whether to brexit. yeah. yes. so whether to tect— brexit. yeah. yes. so whether to pack prett— brexit. yeah. yes. so whether to back brexit or— brexit. yeah. yes. so whether to back brexit or not,— brexit. yeah. yes. so whether to back brexit or not, he- fiéitix c t/tits“ yes. so whether to back brexit or not, he actually ttt— back brexit or not, he actually tot tte— back brexit or not, he actually tot the wt— back brexit or not, he actually had the wit to,— back brexit or not, he actually had the wit to, to,— back brexit or not, he actually had the wit to, to, to agree tmt— had the wit to, to, to agree trot ve — had the wit to, to, to agree trot we met— had the wit to, to, to agree that we had the- had the wit to, to, to agree that we had the whole argument tecuse— that we had the whole argument because actually— that we had the whole argument because actually there are there is because actually there are there ts o— because actually there are there ts o tor— because actually there are there is a case for and— because actually there are there is a case for and a— because actually there are there is a case for and a case otttmst— is a case for and a case oettmst. t— is a case for and a case against. i mean how you get on tov— against. i mean how you get on too we— against. i mean how you get on too we get— against. i mean how you get on mov we get om— against. i mean how you get on

how we get on .our- how we get on with our neighbours— how we get on with our neighbours in- how we get on with our neighbours in europe there are the tu— neighbours in europe there are the tu mere— neighbours in europe there are the eu there was— neighbours in europe there are the eu there was a case for it, i the eu there was a case for it, t couttm-t— the eu there was a case for it, i couldn't see— the eu there was a case for it, i couldn't see it,— the eu there was a case for it, i couldn't see it, but i'm sure mere— i couldn't see it, but i'm sure tree was— i couldn't see it, but i'm sure ttere — i couldn't see it, but i'm sure there was no. you— i couldn't see it, but i'm sure there was no. you were rather tttmtet— there was no. you were rather banked, o— there was no. you were rather blinked, a blinkered view there was no. you were rather bliit. i, a blinkered view there was no. you were rather bliit. t: blinkered view there was no. you were rather bliit. t: t:ti;c g: red view there was no. you were rather bliit. t: 3g: view there was no. you were rather bliit. t: 3g: v of it. i'd be delighted to say. yes, absolutely. well, i'll be eternally grateful to for eternally grateful to bods for backing brexit it backing the brexit side. it mattered without we mattered without him, we wouldn't have it over the wouldn't have got it over the line. a final thought. line. yeah. a final thought. what the what would you rate the percentage chance of johnson being an mp in the next parliament? few i would say 23.5. 23 after extensive private potttmt. — 23.5. 23 after extensive private pottma. vett— 23.5. 23 after extensive private polling. well, it's— 23.5. 23 after extensive private polling. well, it's a— $213 5 23 after extensive private polling. well, it's a very good answer. andrew— polling. well, it's a very good answer. ' “ “so“: polling. well, it's a very good- answer. andrew timpson thank you for entertaining us all ways. well, in a moment, we'll talk about the covid inquiry. yes, it's happening. it's gone public today. and the really good news is we will get a result. we'll get an answer. yes in the summer of 2026, it's going to cost £130 million. why why is it taking that long? professor angus dalgleish will not be holding back in just a moment. he

the radio player apps from the sctoot— the radio player apps from the sctoot um— the radio player apps from the school run to— the radio player apps from the school run to rush— the radio player apps from the school run to rush hour get evvet— school run to rush hour get evvet up— school run to rush hour get revved up with— school run to rush hour get revved up with me patrick ctrtstys— revved up with me patrick cmtstys .— revved up with me patrick cmtstys. — revved up with me patrick christys . revved up with me patrick christys. t/tis: �*7 christys. finally, yes, finally . we've got the covid inquiry. they've done loads and loads of preliminary work, but today the covid inquiry went public. but the thing i can't quite get my head around is why are we spending £130 million on an inquiry ? that will not conclude inquiry? that will not conclude until the summer of 2026? i'm going to say that again 20, 26. three more years of this inquiry. i mean, i've never doubted the whole thing would be a complete whitewash anyway, but goodness me, what an absolute joke. the whole thing is. or maybe i've got this completely wrong. well, joining me is angus dalgleish, professor of oncology at saint george's university of london. university of london. and angus , sweden have had their

and angus, sweden have had their inquiry . it's and angus, sweden have had their inquiry. it's done and and angus, sweden have had their inquiry . it's done and dusted. inquiry. it's done and dusted. what the hell is going on here? well i think it's as you say, i think it's going to be just a big whitewash and everything is going to be swept under the carpet and all the major issues are not going to be addressed at all. the only good thing about it all. the only good thing about tt ts— all. the only good thing about tt ts trey— all. the only good thing about tt ts ttey sott— the only good thing about it is they said they're giving some precedence to the people uto— some precedence to the people who suffered. _ some precedence to the people who suffered. so— some precedence to the people who suffered. so we're headng peopte— who suffered. so we're headng peopte tuto— who suffered. so we're hearing people who terrible problems people who had terrible problems in people who had terrible problems tm tocttovvm— people who had terrible problems in lockdown, etcetera, that to me— in lockdown, etcetera, that to me ts— in lockdown, etcetera, that to me ts stout— in lockdown, etcetera, that to me is about the— in lockdown, etcetera, that to me is about the only good bit tecuse— me is about the only good bit because we see— me is about the only good bit because we see the next people ttvtmt— because we see the next people giving evttemce— because we see the next people giving evidence include the sage commtttee— giving evidence include the sage committee, which _ giving evidence include the sage committee, which i had no idea so ttt— committee, which i had no idea was so bad and— committee, which i had no idea was so bad and people who were ya,— was so bad and people who were very, very— was so bad and people who were very, very pro— was so bad and people who were very, very pro lockdown and couttm-t— very, very pro lockdown and couldn't stop— very, very pro lockdown and couldn't stop barking about it out— couldn't stop barking about it out t— couldn't stop barking about it out t reotty— couldn't stop barking about it and i really think that that's going— and i really think that that's tome to— and i really think that that's tome to etve— and i really think that that's going to give the impression tut— going to give the impression trot ve— going to give the impression that we should— going to give the impression that we should have got sometttmt— that we should have got something that we could have got sometttmt— something that we could have got sometmma wrong— something that we could have got something wrong and we should move— something wrong and we should move toctet— something wrong and we should have locked down— something wrong and we should have locked down earlier when, you— have locked down earlier when, you mow,— have locked down earlier when, you know, os— have locked down earlier when, you know, as.know- have locked down earlier when, you know, as know from you know, as we know from svetem— you know, as we know from svetemlvos— you know, as we know from sweden, was totally the sweden, it was totally the oppostte. — sweden, it was totally the opposite. lockdown has been an otsotute— opposite. lockdown has been an absolute disaster.— opposite. lockdown has been an absolute disaster. they're absolute disaster. yeah, they're otso—ptoyet- absolute disaster. yeah, they're otso—pttyet t- absolute disaster. yeah, they'rei also—played a role

also saying brexit played a role in also saying brexit played a role tm tte— also saying brexit played a role tn the vvtote— also saying brexit played a role in the whole thing going wrong, porttcututy— particularly in northern tretomt. — particularly in northern ireland. g: particularly in northern ireland. .goodness where ireland. my goodness knows where we go with that. but back back to lockdown. there was almost a competition wasn't competition going on, wasn't there, between, you know, we, wales, england and who wales, scotland, england and who could lock down the hardest . but could lock down the hardest. but the press were printed press were wall to wall supporters of lockdown , which i'm sure had lockdown, which i'm sure had nothing to do with the full wrap around spreads at 50 grand or throw or whatever it is they were getting. i mean , there was were getting. i mean, there was almost a competition who could lock down the hardest. and i remember people like you during the lockdown and you were speaking out your deep concerns about what closing down the hospitals would mean for the longer term health and of course, cancer. your great subject. and that's proved to be the case. what happened was some sort of collective madness that overtook us. was it a sort of an attempt to stop anyone questioning what the government was about? did we become almost

totalitarian in our thinking ? totalitarian in our thinking? yes, we did. we entered a mass psyctosts— yes, we did. we entered a mass psycttosts. ttts— yes, we did. we entered a mass psychosis. this is— yes, we did. we entered a mass psychosis. this is this- t/tis: t: t: we entered a mass psychosis. this is this is or a we— psychosis. this is this is or a we became victims like stockholm symtrome— we became victims like stockholm syndrome victims— we became victims like stockholm syndrome victims .— we became victims like stockholm syndrome victims . it was just syndrome victims. it was just teyomt— syndrome victims. it was just beyond belief.— syndrome victims. it was just beyond belief. and people like me uto— beyond belief. and people like me who stood— beyond belief. and people like me who stood up— beyond belief. and people like me who stood up and my colleague who-s— me who stood up and my colleague uto-s ttso— me who stood up and my colleague who's also oncology— me who stood up and my colleague who's also oncology ,_ me who stood up and my colleague who's also oncology , carol who's also oncology, carol smote— who's also oncology, carol sikora, who's— who's also oncology, carol sikora, who's been on this. yes. we stoot— sikora, who's been on this. yes. we stoot up— sikora, who's been on this. yes. we stood up and— sikora, who's been on this. yes. we stood up and we said this is going— we stood up and we said this is tome to— we stood up and we said this is tome to te— we stood up and we said this is tome to te om— we stood up and we said this is going to be an unmitigated ttstster— going to be an unmitigated disaster for— going to be an unmitigated disaster for cancer management tovvm— disaster for cancer management tovm tte— disaster for cancer management tour the ttme. — disaster for cancer management down the line. and— disaster for cancer management down the line. and we can't see any— down the line. and we can't see my tor— down the line. and we can't see any reason for locking down. we stoutt— any reason for locking down. we should follow.— any reason for locking down. we should follow. the— any reason for locking down. we should follow. the swedish exompte— should follow. the swedish exompte ts— should follow. the swedish example is kind of look after mose— example is kind of look after ttose tt— example is kind of look after those at risk— example is kind of look after those at risk and— example is kind of look after those at risk and yourself and rust— those at risk and yourself and rust te— those at risk and yourself and just be sensible— those at risk and yourself and just be sensible about it. this is just be sensible about it. this ts om— just be sensible about it. this is an airborne— just be sensible about it. this is an airborne disease . lockdown is an airborne disease. lockdown toes— is an airborne disease. lockdown toes mot— is an airborne disease. lockdown toes mot vort— is an airborne disease. lockdown does not work for— is an airborne disease. lockdown does not work for airborne ttseoses— does not work for airborne diseases outside. then just for, say,— diseases outside. then just for, say tte— diseases outside. then just for, say the ttrst— diseases outside. then just for, say, the first escape bit, a tocttovm — say, the first escape bit, a lockdown. and _ say, the first escape bit, a lockdown. and this is the other ttme— lockdown. and this is the other tttmt .— lockdown. and this is the other ttma . tmey— lockdown. and this is the other thing . they couldn't tell the thing. they couldn't tell the tttteremce— thing. they couldn't tell the difference between lockdown and tuoromttme— difference between lockdown and quarantine because they treated tocttovm— quarantine because they treated tocttovm os— quarantine because they treated lockdown as if— quarantine because they treated lockdown as if it— quarantine because they treated lockdown as if it was a quarantine. _ lockdown as if it was a quarantine. and the bit i made ttem— quarantine. and the bit i made rtttt tt— quarantine. and the bit i made rtett at me— quarantine. and the bit i made right at the beginning is why do you toct— right at the beginning is why do you toct tovm— right at the beginning is why do you lock down now when you tttm-t— you lock down now when you didn't quarantine? so we were toctet— didn't quarantine? so we were locked-people's- didn't quarantine? so we were locked people's lives locked down, people's lives

testroyet— locked down, people's lives destroyed businesses, everytttpo- destroyed businesses, everything. were everything. while planes were ttytmt— everything. while planes were flying tm— everything. while planes were flying to trom — everything. while planes were flying in from wuhan, every day. vett— flying in from wuhan, every day. vetm tut— flying in from wuhan, every day. yeah, that was— flying in from wuhan, every day. yeah, that was not— flying in from wuhan, every day. yeah, that was not quarantine in in yeah, that was not quarantine in m opypoty-s— yeah, that was not quarantine in in anybody's books. ”ti: in anybody's books. i remember the day that milan declared an emergency. it was a sunday, sunday morning, early and milan declared an emergency. and that day , 21 aeroplanes from milan's day, 21 aeroplanes from milan's malpensa airport came into the uk . i simply couldn't believe it uk. i simply couldn't believe it because if you were going to do anything that's what you would have done. angus i agree. there was a mass psychosis that we went through and anybody that questioned it or broke it were branded as covidiots . yes, branded as covidiots. yes, i think you were one of them, actually. yes. covid yes, i'm very proud . but are we going to very proud. but are we going to get an apology? because we look at the financial costs , we look at the financial costs, we look at the financial costs, we look at the financial costs, we look at the fraud, we look at the medical cost or we look at the mental health cost. we look at the educational cost to teenagers. we look at the huge damage to the elderly , many of damage to the elderly, many of whom have become very infirm as

a result of being locked down. is anybody ever going to say sorry? well, that's what the tmputry— sorry? well, that's what the tmputry smoutt— sorry? well, that's what the inquiry should be.- 7 well, that's what the inquiry should be. it should be, you— inquiry should be. it should be, you mou— inquiry should be. it should be, you know, why— inquiry should be. it should be, you know, why did— inquiry should be. it should be, you know, why did we do this? why— you know, why did we do this? why try— you know, why did we do this? why why to— you know, why did we do this? why why to we— you know, why did we do this? why why do we even think about tttse— why why do we even think about tttse vvty— why why do we even think about tttse vvty ttt— why why do we even think about this? why did we— why why do we even think about this? why did we not listen to the tute— this? why did we not listen to the large number— this? why did we not listen to the large number of voices like mysett— the large number of voices like mysett tmt— the large number of voices like myself and those— the large number of voices like myself and those of the great porrtmttom— myself and those of the great barrington declaration , which i barrington declaration, which i was— barrington declaration, which i t— barrington declaration, which i t temt— barrington declaration, which i was? i think one— barrington declaration, which i was? i think one of the first comttttoms— was? i think one of the first conditions, if— was? i think one of the first conditions, if you mention that on tocetoot— conditions, if you mention that on facebook, you— conditions, if you mention that on facebook, you probably get suspeptet. — on facebook, you probably get suspended. that's- on facebook, you probably get suspended. t:tit“ c t:tit suspended. that's why i don't do facebook. but no, literally , facebook. but no, literally, peopte— facebook. but no, literally, peopte vvtto— facebook. but no, literally, people who were- i but no, literally, people who were talking about the people who were talking about ttte creat— people who were talking about the great barrington declaration, a lot of doctors , declaration, a lot of doctors, tumtrets— declaration, a lot of doctors, tumtrets ot— declaration, a lot of doctors, hundreds of doctors were tmvotvet— hundreds of doctors were involved-that- hundreds of doctors were involved that declaration, involved with that declaration, vet-eut— involved with that declaration, t tteye — involved with that declaration, weren't they? t/tis: involved with that declaration, weren't they? “4115 tuttiiti weren't they? yes, they were. amt— weren't they? yes, they were. amt t— weren't they? yes, they were. amt t ves— weren't they? yes, they were. amt t was-ot— weren't they? yes, they were. and i was-of the- weren't they? yes, they were. and i was-of the first- and i was one of the first senior clinicians to sign up to it. senior clinicians to sign up to t. amt— senior clinicians to sign up to t. amt t— senior clinicians to sign up to t. amt t tot— senior clinicians to sign up to it. and i got total— senior clinicians to sign up to it. and i got total abuse. in tect— it. and i got total abuse. in tectlvos— it. and i got total abuse. in fact,iwas the— it. and i got total abuse. in fact, was the abuse came from fact, i was the abuse came from mott— fact, i was the abuse came from matt utmcoct— fact, i was the abuse came from matt utmcoct .— fact, i was the abuse came from matt hancock . i— fact, i was the abuse came from matt hancock . i mean, matt hancock. i mean, personotty— matt hancock. i mean, personally, i- matt hancock. i mean, personally, i was not known for his personally, i was not known for ttts mettcot— personally, i was not known for his medical expertise who stoutet— his medical expertise who shouted me— his medical expertise who shouted me down when it was rotset— shouted me down when it was raised because— shouted me down when it was raised because i— shouted me down when it was raised because i wrote about it in raised because i wrote about it tm tte— raised because i wrote about it tn the potty— raised because i wrote about it in the daily mail— raised because i wrote about it in the daily mail .— raised because i wrote about it in the daily mail . and then they in the daily mail. and then they got tm— in the daily mail. and then they got an opportunity to write who is got an opportunity to write who ts mts— got an opportunity to write who is this petulant— got an opportunity to write who is this petulant fool ? i was is this petulant fool? i was

totttmt— is this petulant fool? i was talking about?— is this petulant fool? i was talking about? matt hancock . so talking about? matt hancock. so otvtousty— talking about? matt hancock. so otvtousty t— talking about? matt hancock. so obviously i was— talking about? matt hancock. so obviously i was not on the good toots— obviously i was not on the good books tut— obviously i was not on the good books tut ve— obviously i was not on the good books, but we had— obviously i was not on the good books, but we had tried so hard ttrouttt— books, but we had tried so hard through contacts— books, but we had tried so hard through contacts to tell the government— through contacts to tell the government and the committees stout— government and the committees ttout mts— government and the committees ttout ttts .— government and the committees about this . and— government and the committees about this . and i— government and the committees about this . and i couldn't about this. and i couldn't understand— about this. and i couldn't understand how sage gave the otvtce— understand how sage gave the otvtce trey— understand how sage gave the advice they did— understand how sage gave the advice they did .— understand how sage gave the advice they did . they were advice they did. they were trtvem— advice they did. they were trtvem ty— advice they did. they were driven by neil— advice they did. they were driven by neil ferguson and his tmperttt— driven by neil ferguson and his tmperttt group— driven by neil ferguson and his imperial group with their outrageous— imperial group with their outrageous modelling. the motetttmt— outrageous modelling. the motetttmt .— outrageous modelling. the modelling , the modelling which modelling, the modelling which as we now know,— modelling, the modelling which as we now know, only gave the worst— as we now know, only gave the worst case scenario. well, i can ttve— worst case scenario. well, i can gtve you— worst case scenario. well, i can gtve you worst— worst case scenario. well, i can give you worst case— worst case scenario. well, i can give you worst case scenario on tmytttmo— give you worst case scenario on mytmtmt. tt— give you worst case scenario on anything. it doesn't require much— anything. it doesn't require much insight.— anything. it doesn't require much insight. what we needed to mow— much insight. what we needed to know ves— much insight. what we needed to know tte— much insight. what we needed to know was the likely scenario vttm — know was the likely scenario vttm utm— know was the likely scenario with, with, with _ know was the likely scenario with, with, with a median range tmt— with, with, with a median range omt vort— with, with, with a median range and work within— with, with, with a median range and work within that because the peopte— and work within that because the peopte ot— and work within that because the peopte tt stee— and work within that because the pebble at sage 90t— and work within that because the people at sage got into this tocttovm— people at sage got into this lockdown and _ people at sage got into this lockdown and masked everything. tov— lockdown and masked everything. uov t— lockdown and masked everything. uov t argue— lockdown and masked everything. now i argue that— lockdown and masked everything. now i argue that the person who stovet— now i argue that the person who stovet tte— now i argue that the person who showed he had— now i argue that the person who showed he had some basic tmsttmcts— showed he had some basic instincts at— showed he had some basic instincts at the— showed he had some basic instincts at the beginning was cuts— instincts at the beginning was ctrts vvttttty. — instincts at the beginning was chris whitty. he— instincts at the beginning was chris whitty. he did say some of the ttem— chris whitty. he did say some of the right things,— chris whitty. he did say some of the right things, but all of a suttem— the right things, but all of a suttem tte— the right things, but all of a sudden he became encompassed and emrocet— sudden he became encompassed and emrocet tt— sudden he became encompassed and emrocet tt ty— sudden he became encompassed and embrace it by the— sudden he became encompassed and embrace it by the stockholm symtrome— embrace it by the stockholm syndrome has— embrace it by the stockholm syndrome has started talking.

tte— syndrome has started talking. the mouse— syndrome has started talking. the rubbish that— syndrome has started talking. the rubbish that they were, they tttttmt— the rubbish that they were, they were talking from _ the rubbish that they were, they were talking from the sage commtttee. — were talking from the sage committee. �*vtvt�*ti ”ti: gtit “g were talking from the sage committee. gtit “g committee. we're going to learn very little from this inquiry that lady hallett's chairing because it won't get the final conclusions. and for three years, the important thing years, the most important thing is angus, you were right. is this angus, you were right. karol sikora was right and you stood up. you were actually quite brave, given the abuse that you got . if in the next that you got. if in the next year or two, another pandemic hits us, would the would the response from the british government and the media be different this time ? i would different this time? i would hope so . i fear it- different this time? i would hope so . i fear it may- t: �*7�*7iiti“ c 7 i would hope so . i fear it may well be hope so. i fear it may well be worse and worse— hope so. i fear it may well be worse and worse .— hope so. i fear it may well be worse and worse . worse. that is worse and worse. worse. that is tecuse— worse and worse. worse. that is because cause they— worse and worse. worse. that is because cause they want to sign all because cause they want to sign at the — because cause they want to sign at the pores— because cause they want to sign all the powers up— because cause they want to sign all the powers up to the who. as you— all the powers up to the who. us you know, — all the powers up to the who. as you know, this— all the powers up to the who. as you know, this is something tottet— as you know, this is something we've talked about before, the ptmtemtc— we've talked about before, the pandemic treaty. _ we've talked about before, the pandemic treaty. i think the pandemic treaty. i think the pandemic treaty. i think the pandemic treaty is one of the probably the greatest disaster aster that the government is facing because the who. would actually become a world

government if it could lock you all down. it will give everybody all down. it will give everybody o ttttttt— all down. it will give everybody a digital passport— : it will give everybody a digital passport and not mount— a digital passport and not ttvtmt tt— a digital passport and not having it. we're not having it. vouc— having it. we're not having it. voue mot.— having it. we're not having it. voue mot. t— having it. we're not having it. you're not. i mean, we're not ttvtmt— you're not. i mean, we're not ttvtmt tt. — you're not. i mean, we're not having it. angus,- you're not. i mean, we're not having it. ' g c ttiiy having it. angus, it's a very powerful point to all of you at home. if like angus and myself, you fear this w.h.o. new pandemic treaty, and particularly given the government have said they're very keen on it because it won't affect our sovereignty, which is pretty much what they told us when we joined the eec, when you get opportunity, do have get an opportunity, do have a gentle chat with your member of parliament. please as now it's khan watch time. sadiq khan on the weather today because suddenly we've got lighter winds andifs suddenly we've got lighter winds and it's hot and sadiq khan was warning us about air pollution, although not air pollution, on the london underground and which according to him, is absolutely fine, which clearly is utter nonsense. but khan says because of this pollution, you should not use your car unless it's

absolutely necessary. you should make sure your car is not running an idling. you shouldn't burn any wood or garden waste . burn any wood or garden waste. and i'll make this prediction to you . we are within a few years you. we are within a few years of getting climate lockdowns . i of getting climate lockdowns. i mean it. there'll be days when you're told you cannot use your car by order of sadiq khan. i want him on the subject of sadiq khan. there are some terms now that staff in city hall cannot use . you must not call anybody use. you must not call anybody an illegal immigrant. no, no, no, no, no, no. that would to be offensive. but the one that i really find extraordinary is staff at city hall have been told that the terms male and female are dated and medicalized . i haven't got a blooming clue what that means. if anyone knows , can interpret it for me. please farage at gb news .com. what the hell is he on about? david lammy the shadow foreign secretary, has said overnight that a labour government in

terms of foreign policy , he said terms of foreign policy, he said the eu will be our priority. you have been warned they will try and take us back into the single market as quickly as they can and they can do it because the conservatives have absolutely dropped ball when it comes dropped the ball when it comes to getting rid of eu regulation in a moment, we'll cross to america . donald trump is america. donald trump is arriving at the courthouse in one hour and 20 minutes time. he will face a criminal trial . it's will face a criminal trial. it's the first time it's ever happened to a former president in the usa

well, the latest news is that donald trump is in custody at the miami courthouse and that the miami courthouse and that the trial will begin in an hour and 15 minutes. and we're showing you some live pictures of miami, of the media pack and of miami, of the media pack and

of people outside that courtroom . um, as far as we know as yet, there have been no violent protests . there are people protests. there are people turning up who are pro trump people turning up who are against trump. but just think about words. the 45th about those words. the 45th president of the united states of america is in custody, facing an hour and 15 minutes. a criminal trial. joining me down the line is christian wighton, a former senior adviser to donald trump. back in 2016 and 2017, christian, those words, i mean, it's quite extraordinary what's going on, isn't it? it is. it's unprecedented, as you mentioned. and it's just, you know, calls tmto— and it's just, you know, calls mto tuesttom— and it's just, you know, calls into question for— and it's just, you know, calls into question for a lot of peopte.— into question for a lot of peopte. tte— into question for a lot of people. the fairness and tuteememt— people. the fairness and judgement of— people. the fairness and judgement of the judicial system to 90— judgement of the judicial system to 90 otter— judgement of the judicial system to go after someone who's not pust— to go after someone who's not tust o— to go after someone who's not tust o tormer— to go after someone who's not just a former president, but otso— just a former president, but ttso t— just a former president, but also a candidate for president. atso— also a candidate for president. also currently— also a candidate for president. also currently the _ also a candidate for president. also currently the leading comttttte— also currently the leading candidate for— also currently the leading candidate for president for one of candidate for president for one ot ou— candidate for president for one ot two— candidate for president for one of our two major— candidate for president for one of our two major political puttes— of our two major political puttes .— of our two major political ptrttes , tmt— of our two major political parties , and in- of our two major political parties , and in effect, is parties, and in effect, is tottmt— parties, and in effect, is tttme ovty— parties, and in effect, is taking away from voters the

tttttty— taking away from voters the ottttty to — taking away from voters the ability to pass— taking away from voters the ability to pass judgement on pomott— ability to pass judgement on donald trump— ability to pass judgement on donald trump and what he is otteeetty— donald trump and what he is allegedly done— donald trump and what he is allegedly done and whether he vvoutt— allegedly done and whether he voutt mote— allegedly done and whether he would make a— allegedly done and whether he would make a good president otem— would make a good president teem tm— would make a good president again tm tte— would make a good president again in the future and putting it again in the future and putting tt tm— again in the future and putting tt tm tte— again in the future and putting it in the hands— again in the future and putting it in the hands of— again in the future and putting it in the hands of judiciary, a very— it in the hands of judiciary, a very politicised_ it in the hands of judiciary, a very politicised judicial compomemt— very politicised judicial component of the executive tromct— component of the executive branch here. _ component of the executive branch here. is“ branch here. from what i can understand , christian, you know, understand, christian, you know, we're told that documents turned up were found at mike pence's house that documents were found in joe biden's basement, that that hillary clinton had all sorts of important data on her private email server that barack obama had some documents were told.i obama had some documents were told. i mean , please tell me told. i mean, please tell me whether this is right. but we're told that the difference is that when they were questioned , they when they were questioned, they gave the documents back and the accusation is that somehow trump tded accusation is that somehow trump tried to impede that process . tried to impede that process. well, hillary is in a little bit of well, hillary is in a little bit ot o— well, hillary is in a little bit of a different— well, hillary is in a little bit of a different situation . i of a different situation. i mean, she wilfully kyrees this seerv — mean, she wilfully kyrees this seerv vou— mean, she wilfully kyrees this server. you know,— mean, she wilfully kyrees this server. you know, you're not rettty— server. you know, you're not rettty eve— server. you know, you're not really even supposed to remove the secretory— really even supposed to remove the secretary of— really even supposed to remove the secretary of state. can take some classified _ the secretary of state. can take some classified documents home to teet— some classified documents home to eat me— some classified documents home to read the only— some classified documents home to read the only person in the agency— to read the only person in the agency vto-s— to read the only person in the agency who's allowed to do that.

but agency who's allowed to do that. put creottmt— agency who's allowed to do that. put creottmt t— agency who's allowed to do that. but creating a server within her tome— but creating a server within her tome tut— but creating a server within her home that was— but creating a server within her home that was separate from the us home that was separate from the us tovemmemt— home that was separate from the us government processed at us government that processed at top-information— us government that processed at top information and top secret information and a category— top secret information and a category ot— top secret information and a category ot top— top secret information and a category of top secret called semstttve — category of top secret called sensitive compartmentalised tmtormattom— sensitive compartmentalised information .— sensitive compartmentalised information . i— sensitive compartmentalised information . i mean, that really information. i mean, that really teyomt— information. i mean, that really was beyond the— information. i mean, that really was beyond the pale. it's in contrast— was beyond the pale. it's in contrast to— was beyond the pale. it's in contrast to what— was beyond the pale. it's in contrast to what the what biden attegetty— contrast to what the what biden attegetty ttt— contrast to what the what biden allegedly did do.— contrast to what the what biden allegedly did do. in fact , and allegedly did do. in fact, and what— allegedly did do. in fact, and what ttemce— allegedly did do. in fact, and what pence did,— allegedly did do. in fact, and what pence did, which is a ttttte— what pence did, which is a little more— what pence did, which is a little more understandable, maybe— little more understandable, mayte mot— little more understandable, mayte not as— little more understandable, maybe not as forgivable as their supporters— maybe not as forgivable as their supporters would— maybe not as forgivable as their supporters would like you to tetteve— supporters would like you to tetteve .— supporters would like you to believe , but— supporters would like you to believe , but that the rush to believe, but that in the rush to get out— believe, but that in the rush to get out ot— believe, but that in the rush to get out of-white - believe, but that in the rush to get out of white house get out of the white house turtmg— get out of the white house during transition, lot of get out of the white house duringets ransition, lot of get out of the white house duringets thrown n, lot of get out of the white house duringets thrown in lot of get out of the white house duringets thrown in boxestf get out of the white house duringets thrown in boxes and stuff gets thrown in boxes and it's stuff gets thrown in boxes and tt-s mot— stuff gets thrown in boxes and it's not carefully— stuff gets thrown in boxes and it's not carefully segregated out.— it's not carefully segregated out. tt— it's not carefully segregated out. tt you— it's not carefully segregated out. if you believe the allegation— out. if you believe the allegation .- out. if you believe the allegation . and that's all we allegation. and that's all we mov— allegation. and that's all we know so— allegation. and that's all we know so tar. — allegation. and that's all we know so far. the— allegation. and that's all we know so far. the actual allegations,— know so far. the actual allegations, trump has called tms— allegations, trump has called ttts a— allegations, trump has called ttts a vttct— allegations, trump has called this a witch hunt, but they tavem-t— this a witch hunt, but they haven't mounted. they haven't presemtet— haven't mounted. they haven't presented their— haven't mounted. they haven't presented their defence, nor utt— presented their defence, nor vttt trey— presented their defence, nor vttt ttey tor— presented their defence, nor will they for some time. but if you— will they for some time. but if you-tte— will they for some time. but if you the allegations, you believe the allegations, trump—tuti you believe the allegations,- trump_that this trump did tell people that this is-classified_ trump did tell people that this is-classified .— trump did tell people that this is classified . that's is still classified. so that's going— is still classified. so that's gomglttttte— is still classified. so that's going little beyond beyond going a little bit beyond beyond what— going a little bit beyond beyond what ttemce— going a little bit beyond beyond what pence or— going a little bit beyond beyond what pence or biden have done. so what pence or biden have done. so once— what pence or biden have done. so agatm— what pence or biden have done. so once again, donald trump, you mov— so once again, donald trump, you know .— so once again, donald trump, you know , ts— so once again, donald trump, you know , is probably— so once again, donald trump, you know , is probably being treated know, is probably being treated very— know, is probably being treated very umtatr— know, is probably being treated very unfair fairly— know, is probably being treated very unfair fairly here. this is catttmg— very unfair fairly here. this is catttmg tmto— very unfair fairly here. this is calling into question the

samcttty— calling into question the samcttty .— calling into question the sapcttty , tt— calling into question the sanctity , if you will, of our sanctity, if you will, of our tuttctat— sanctity, if you will, of our judicial system— sanctity, if you will, of our judicial system because of that sanctimonious._ judicial system because of that sanctimonious. but but he's also his sanctimonious. but but he's also ttts ovu— sanctimonious. but but he's also ttts worst— sanctimonious. but but he's also his own worst enemy in many ways— his own worst enemy in many ways tecause— his own worst enemy in many ways, because if— his own worst enemy in many ways, because if what he did as atteget— ways, because if what he did as atteget ts— ways, because if what he did as alleged is true,— ways, because if what he did as alleged is true, it's— ways, because if what he did as alleged is true, it's kind of tumu— alleged is true, it's kind of tumt. vou— alleged is true, it's kind of dumb. you know, you've worked utm— dumb. you know, you've worked vttt ttm. — dumb. you know, you've worked with him. i've— dumb. you know, you've worked with him. i've known- dumb. you know, you've worked with him. “ with him. i've known him for that period of time. i get on very well with him. i know that he's a warrior. i know that he's a fighter. i know that nothing ever stops him. the key question, christian, is , is to question, christian, is, is to date the other cases. civil cases haven't done him any harm at all. we know that the base won't believe a word of this. we'll see it as a politicised judiciary. we'll see it as an outrageous abuse of power coming directly from the white house. the question is what about those middle swing voters? do they say this is all just too much? we can't have a president that gets put through all of this? or do they say fair's fair? what's being done to him is wrong? isn't that what's going to decide the next presidential election ? i think yes, you're election? i think yes, you're rtgtt. —

election? i think yes, you're rtgtt. put— election? i think yes, you're rtgmt. put t— election? i think yes, you're right. but i think— i tit“7 i think yes, you're right. but i think where it will sottem— right. but i think where it will sottem support— right. but i think where it will soften support potentially is among— soften support potentially is among republicans , some of whom among republicans, some of whom actuatty— among republicans, some of whom actuatty say— among republicans, some of whom actuatty say mat— among republicans, some of whom actually say that their first ctotce — actually say that their first cttotce gomg— actually say that their first choice going into 2024 and not many— choice going into 2024 and not many peopte— choice going into 2024 and not many peopte are— choice going into 2024 and not many people are actually tocusset— many people are actually focussed on— many people are actually focussed on this election. it's stttt— focussed on this election. it's stttt moe— focussed on this election. it's still more than— focussed on this election. it's still more than a— focussed on this election. it's still more than a year away. t hey— still more than a year away. they say— still more than a year away. they say metr— still more than a year away. they say their first choice is pomatt— they say their first choice is donald trump.— they say their first choice is donald trump. but then if you press— donald trump. but then if you press ttem— donald trump. but then if you press them-their- press them how hard their support— press them how hard their support ts— press them how hard their support is, they'll say, support is, they'll quickly say, vett— support is, they'll quickly say, vett .— support is, they'll quickly say, vett , ot— support is, they'll quickly say, well , of course— support is, they'll quickly say, well, of course i'd also support tom— well, of course i'd also support ttom pesamtts— well, of course i'd also support ron desantis or— well, of course i'd also support ron desantis or someone else vtots— ron desantis or someone else typos-too.— ron desantis or someone else who's-too. and- ron desantis or someone else who's-too. and it's. ron desantis or someone else who's too. and it's that who's running too. and it's that sort— who's running too. and it's that sort-sott— who's running too. and it's that sort-soft support— who's running too. and it's that sort soft support of trump sort of soft support of trump mat— sort of soft support of trump that t— sort of soft support of trump that t temt— sort of soft support of trump that i think might erode because this that i think might erode because tats-utte— that i think might erode because this little different. the this is a little different. the charges— this is a little different. the charges against— this is a little different. the charges against him levelled by this charges against him levelled by tmts aggresstve— charges against him levelled by this aggressive prosecutor in new— this aggressive prosecutor in nev-aty— this aggressive prosecutor in new-city, which- this aggressive prosecutor in new city, which seemed new york city, which seemed comptetety— new york city, which seemed comptetety-uo- new york city, which seemed. completely-no-even completely bogus. no one even umterstamts— completely bogus. no one even understands—he's. understands really what he's attegtmg— understands really what he's alleging versus— understands really what he's alleging versus where it's alleging versus this, where it's alleging versus this, where it's a ttttte— alleging versus this, where it's a ttttte moe— alleging versus this, where it's a little more understandable. gr.— a little more understandable. om te— a little more understandable. om te toot— a little more understandable. oh, he took documents. and accorttmg— oh, he took documents. and according-the _ oh, he took documents. and according the allegations , he according to the allegations, he mew— according to the allegations, he mew-these— according to the allegations, he knew these documents were knew that these documents were omeslprotatty— knew that these documents were ones probably shouldn't ones he probably shouldn't have. you—peopte- ones he probably shouldn't have. you—peopte say- ones he probably shouldn't have. you—people say this. you might have people say this guy is— you might have people say this guy is going— you might have people say this guy is going to_ you might have people say this guy is going to be— you might have people say this guy is going to be so distracted by guy is going to be so distracted toy—case— guy is going to be so distracted by_case against- guy is going to be so distracted by case against him by a criminal case against him amt— by a criminal case against him amt-rumtmg— by a criminal case against him amt-rumtmg a— by a criminal case against him and running a campaign and and he's running a campaign and pets— and he's running a campaign and pets to.— and he's running a campaign and pets to. ttayte— and he's running a campaign and he's 76. maybe we— and he's running a campaign and he's 76. maybe we should just go on to— he's 76. maybe we should just go on to-mext— he's 76. maybe we should just go on to-mext guy— he's 76. maybe we should just go on to-mext guy so— he's 76. maybe we should just go on to next guy so we won't on to the next guy so we won't mov— on to the next guy so we won't know umttt— on to the next guy so we won't know until-the - on to the next guy so we won't know until the caucus in know until we have the caucus in tova. — know until we have the caucus in tova. .prtmary— know until we have the caucus in iowa. .pdmarleew- iowa. the primary in new uampsttre— iowa. the primary in new- hampshire _carolina. hampshire and south carolina. but hampshire and south carolina.

put—tt— hampshire and south carolina. put—tt mat- hampshire and south carolina. but—if that sort. hampshire and south carolina. but—if that sort of| but i do wonder if that sort of secomt— but i do wonder if that sort of secomt ot— but i do wonder if that sort of second of people— but i do wonder if that sort of second of people who are considering— second of people who are considering their second choices mtgtt— considering their second choices mtgtt comstter— considering their second choices might consider it— considering their second choices might consider it harder now. vett— might consider it harder now. well,_litmus. well, that'll be the litmus test. — well, that'll be the litmus test. ireatty— well, that'll be the litmus test. .really will. - well, that'll be the litmus test. ”titsccyt cc ' “t: test. it really will. and christian thank you very christian widen, thank you very much and much indeed forjoining us. and the latest news that we have is that trump is now actually in the courtroom. that's considerably than considerably earlier than i thought be. he's there thought he would be. he's there for arraignment headng. so for his arraignment headng. so it's all happening. it's all happening . it is quite happening. it is quite extraordinary whether he's made some clerical errors or not, i don't know. but as christian wighton said, what hillary clinton did was was far, far worse than anything trump may or may not have done . it's time for may not have done. it's time for batus the farage. i have a question coming in from a viewer in islington . why doesn't he in islington. why doesn't he start— in islington. why doesn't he stamt tor— in islington. why doesn't he stand for re—election- “ g“ why doesn't he stand for re—election ? i stand stand for re—election? i stand for re—election. _ stand for re—election? i stand for re—election. �*tfvt�*ticc c“tiiti for re—election. well, there's no european parliament to be re—elected to . and as far as the re—elected to. and as far as the british system is concerned, well, it's this desperate first past the post thing. so it's jolly difficult. but i'm not ruling it out, especially if

brexit does come under direct threat , which, brexit does come under direct threat, which, looking at what david lammy has said overnight, may . in one more may well happen. in one more coming up, another viewer from nodh coming up, another viewer from north london has a question for me. well paul has his view on brexit changed given the issue , brexit changed given the issue, as you know, that we've this country has faced since leaving? and, you know, a lot of the mat— and, you know, a lot of the issues that we're- and, you know, a lot of the issues that we're facing with going— issues that we're facing with gomg atroat— issues that we're facing with gomg atroat .— issues that we're facing with going abroad . and you know, going abroad. and you know, getttmg— going abroad. and you know, gettmg tmto— going abroad. and you know, getting into europe , no , not one getting into europe, no, not one ttttte— getting into europe, no, not one ttttte ttt— getting into europe, no, not one ttttte ttt ts— getting into europe, no, not one little bit is getting into tuope— little bit is getting into europe more- little bit is getting into europe more difficult? �*tfvt�*ticc �*7 europe more difficult? well, if you want— europe more difficult? well, if you want to— europe more difficult? well, if you want to spend more than a few months there, yes, it is more difficult. but equally, the whole point of that was we were losing in this game with effectively having although you started we started to show passports and we weren't in in the schengen area, the fact is that many more people were coming into this country than than we were going into europe when it came to work. and when it came actually ultimately to using public

services. so i think if it takes you a few more seconds to organise a trip abroad, that is not a bad thing provided we keep our side of the bargain and control our borders. and that i guessis control our borders. and that i guess is what has been so, so disappointing. look, there are pros and cons with brexit. there are positives that we've seen , are positives that we've seen, but there are negatives and the biggest problem i think, is that for the millions that voted for it, wanted fewer it, they wanted fewer regulations fewer people regulations and fewer people coming . on that coming into britain. on that side it, todes have side of it, the tories have failed badly . side of it, the tories have failed badly. i always failed us rather badly. i always like to finish with those words before saying that i'm joined in the studio by sirjacob rees—mogg. i do enjoy doing this to you every evening . jacob it's to you every evening. jacob it's relentless. it's my little bit of teasing . it's fair enough. of teasing. it's fair enough. what have you got coming up today? we're going to be talking about— today? we're going to be talking about tms— today? we're going to be talking about this new— today? we're going to be talking about this new plan— :7 we're going to be talking about this new plan by the chancellor,— about this new plan by the chancellor, jeremy hunt, to make the government— chancellor, jeremy hunt, to make the government more efficient. so_by- so which i'm delighted by because job a bit because i had this job for a bit and was going to get rid of and i was going to get rid of 91,000 civil servants. we had a plan in place with a hiatus of a

few months. the government's going again, which is going to do it again, which is terrific because currently we have servants, more have more civil servants, more government have more civil servants, more govern services. we've to public services. we've got to change that. one problem i've got utm— change that. one problem i've got vttt tms— change that. one problem i've got with this is— change that. one problem i've got with this is we— ig one problem i've got with this is we hear this sort— got with this is we hear this sortltttmg— got with this is we hear this sort .thing quite- got with this is we hear this sort thing quite regularly sort of thing quite regularly amt— sort of thing quite regularly amt ty— sort of thing quite regularly apt ty saytmg— sort of thing quite regularly and by saying it, people go, oh, jolly— and by saying it, people go, oh, potty-move- and by saying it, people go, oh, potty-move amt- jolly good, you know? and the patty— jolly good, you know? and the daily-editorials- jolly good, you know? and the daily editorials are daily mail editorials are marvellous— daily mail editorials are- marvellous-nothing marvellous and then nothing reatty— marvellous and then nothing reatty-tappems. - marvellous and then nothing really happens. frances really ever happens. frances ttaute— really ever happens. frances ttaute-a— really ever happens. frances maude a brilliant job of it maude did a brilliant job of it in maude did a brilliant job of it tm earty— maude did a brilliant job of it in early cameron— maude did a brilliant job of it in early cameron and the civil servtce— in early cameron and the civil servtce vas— in early cameron and the civil service was shrunk significantly . tt— service was shrunk significantly . tt men— service was shrunk significantly . it then expanded.— . it then expanded. unfortunately brexit was used as an excuse to expand it. covid was used excuse to expand it. and what i was trying to do was get it back to where it was in 2015, which 91,000 2015, which was 91,000 reduction. it's completely possible, perfectly reasonable on it. absolutely. on the face of it. absolutely. and we had a plan. unfortunately, government does. jeremy? hunt have jeremy? does jeremy hunt have the jeremy? does jeremy hunt have true-to. — jeremy? does jeremy hunt have true-to. t— jeremy? does jeremy hunt have true-to. t mope- jeremy? does jeremy hunt have the-do. i hope so.- jeremy? does jeremy hunt have the do. i hope so. you the mettle to do. i hope so. you trope— the mettle to do. i hope so. you tope sot— the mettle to do. i hope so. you tope soe t— the mettle to do. i hope so. you mope soe t mope— the mettle to do. i hope so. you hope so? i hope so.— the mettle to do. i hope so. you hope so? i hope so. isn't it fascinating?— hope so? i hope so. isn't it fascinating? you- hope so? i hope so. isn't it fascinating? you know, you don't reatty— fascinating? you know, you don't reatty tetteve— fascinating? you know, you don't really believe-him.- fascinating? you know, you don't really believe him. jeremy is really believe in him. jeremy is no really believe in him. jeremy is mo—ttmt- really believe in him. jeremy is. no _think jeremy no fool. i actually think jeremy is capable, man, to be health secretary for six years or so , secretary for six years or so, and to do it competently is actually a remarkable

achievement. that's one of the hardest jobs in politics. a tough job. well, and he did it competently and kept the government out of messes and scandals. jacob, i hope you're right. so i hope you're right. he's as good a man as any to be. ihope he's as good a man as any to be. i hope you're right. i really do trope— i hope you're right. i really do hope you-e— i hope you're right. i really do hope you're right.— i hope you're right. i really do hope you're right. it's very tmportamt— hope you're right. it's very important. now, 545 crossed the ctamet— important. now, 545 crossed the comet-.— important. now, 545 crossed the ctamet-. zoo- important. now, 545 crossed the channel . 200 crossed important. now, 545 crossed the cha channel . 200 crossed important. now, 545 crossed the cha channel today.. 200 crossed important. now, 545 crossed the cha channel today. okay. crossed important. now, 545 crossed the cha channel today. okay. let'sed the channel today. okay. let's tave— the channel today. okay. let's have a— the channel today. okay. let's have a toot— the channel today. okay. let's have a look-see- the channel today. okay. let's have a look see how many have a look and see how many vttt— have a look and see how many vttt come— have a look and see how many will come tomorrow evening. i'm too— will come tomorrow evening. i'm too peattm — will come tomorrow evening. i'm alex deakin. this— will come tomorrow evening. i'm alex deakin. this is— will come tomorrow evening. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. another sunny, very warm one. tomorrow another day where you and grass pollen levels are going to be high or very high. the pressure's high to the north of the uk. that's why the weather is by and large set fair. but we have again seen some thunderstorms still some thunderstorms and still some downpours rumbling well into downpours rumbling on well into the evening, potentially causing some further disruption across the west of scotland and the west of northern ireland, but fading and most places becoming dry and clear . fading and most places becoming dry and clear. the fading and most places becoming dry and clear . the easterly dry and clear. the easterly breeze bringing a fresher feel to the east overnight, a more

comfortable night for sleeping. but in the west, another sticky one, another warm, another humid one. temperatures holding up at 1617 celsius in towns and cities. so a difficult night for sleeping. another fine , very sleeping. another fine, very warm summer's day to come, though , for the vast majority on though, for the vast majority on wednesday day. the small chance of seeing a heavy shower breaking out, most likely over the highlands of scotland. but the highlands of scotland. but the vast majority are dry and sunny, may be a bit misty around some coasts. the easterly breeze making temperatures here in the low 20s . but for most places, low 20s. but for most places, temperatures a degree or so down on today's still getting on today's but still getting into to high 20s. pretty into the mid to high 20s. pretty widely still pretty warm day widely still a pretty warm day for the time of year. small chance of still the odd shower here and there breaking out late in the day , but most dry in the day, but most places dry and fine through wednesday evening and indeed into thursday may turn a little misty and murky in 1 or 2 spots. and always the possibility of some of that mist returning to the east with a bit an east coast with a bit of an easterly breeze here again on thursday, perhaps a shower

breaking maybe even breaking out, maybe even a thunderstorm here and there. but they'll pretty isolated. they'll be pretty isolated. the vast staying dry, sunny vast majority staying dry, sunny and pretty warm, although, again, temperatures just a degree or so down, but still in the mid 20s, pretty widely . so the mid 20s, pretty widely. so warm .

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