it to milton vehicle and driven it to milton street , where he is then driven street, where he is then driven at members of the public. we are still in the early stages of the investigation and need to determine exactly what the motives were behind this attack . well in other news today, bods . well in other news today, boris johnson has made last minute submissions to the privileges committee ahead of its report on allegations of misleading parliament. the committee received g the committee received boris johnson-s— committee received boris johnson's representations at around— johnson's representations at around midnight last night. it's cunendy— around midnight last night. it's currently reviewing it. the redon— currently reviewing it. the report investigating whether mr johnson— report investigating whether mr donnsdn ded— report investigating whether mr johnson lied to— report investigating whether mr johnson lied to mps about the donning— johnson lied to mps about the downing street— johnson lied to mps about the downing street partygate scandal was downing street partygate scandal expected — downing street partygate scandal was expected to— downing street partygate scandal was expected to be released this week— was expected to be released this week and— was expected to be released this week after boris— was expected to be released this week after boris johnson's ndgndddn— week after boris johnson's ndgndndn .— week after boris johnson's resignation . an- week after boris johnson's resignation . an in the statement resignation. an in the statement the resignation. an in the statement dne former— resignation. an in the statement the former prime— resignation. an in the statement the former prime minister deeued— the former prime minister accused the— the former prime minister accused the committee of bias und— accused the committee of bias and ended— accused the committee of bias and ended n— accused the committee of bias and called it a— accused the committee of bias and called it a kangaroo court. at and called it a kangaroo court. ad nud— and called it a kangaroo court. ad due nonse— and called it a kangaroo court. at two police officers have been served— at two police officers have been served unn— at two police officers have been served with gross— at two police officers have been served with gross misconduct nedees— served with gross misconduct nedees dn— served with gross misconduct notices in connection with the deans— notices in connection with the deans en— notices in connection with the deaths of two— notices in connection with the deaths of two teenagers in cardin— deaths of two teenagers in cunddn ,— deaths of two teenagers in cardiff , kyrees_ deaths of two teenagers in cardiff , kyrees sullivan and cardiff, kyrees sullivan and haney— cardiff, kyrees sullivan and

harvey unans— cardiff, kyrees sullivan and harvey evans died last month snendu— harvey evans died last month snenu unen— harvey evans died last month shortly after they were seen on cav— shortly after they were seen on em ,— shortly after they were seen on em , nddnd— shortly after they were seen on cctv , riding an— shortly after they were seen on cctv , riding an e—bike and being cctv, riding an e—bike and being fedeued— cctv, riding an e—bike and being fedeued nu— cctv, riding an e—bike and being fedeued by u— cctv, riding an e—bike and being followed by a police van. the dense— followed by a police van. the police regulator— followed by a police van. the police regulator says their conduct— police regulator says their conduct doesn't necessarily mean ddsdndnun— conduct doesn't necessarily mean disciplinary proceedings will nodded— disciplinary proceedings will neuen und— disciplinary proceedings will follow and the— disciplinary proceedings will follow and the covid inquiry has been— follow and the covid inquiry has been dedd. — follow and the covid inquiry has been told. today— follow and the covid inquiry has been told. today the uk may not neve— been told. today the uk may not due been— been told. today the uk may not nude teen venu— been told. today the uk may not have been very well prepared to ded— have been very well prepared to dead unn— have been very well prepared to dead nun dne — have been very well prepared to deal with the pandemic. the lead lawyer— deal with the pandemic. the lead lawyer sudd— deal with the pandemic. the lead lawyer said the— deal with the pandemic. the lead lawyer said the nation was taken by surprise— lawyer said the nation was taken by sunnnse und— lawyer said the nation was taken by surprise and argued brexit nud— by surprise and argued brexit had distracted— by surprise and argued brexit had distracted the government from— had distracted the government from dnnndnd— had distracted the government from improving its strategy to deede— from improving its strategy to ddede dne— from improving its strategy to tackle the disease. the inquiry dse— tackle the disease. the inquiry udse neund— tackle the disease. the inquiry also heard local— tackle the disease. the inquiry also heard local health chiefs were repeatedly— also heard local health chiefs were repeatedly excluded from ndndende— were repeatedly excluded from pandemic planning . let's take pandemic planning. let's take you— pandemic planning. let's take you sudden— pandemic planning. let's take you snodgnn oo— pandemic planning. let's take you straight to the united states— you straight to the united states on— you straight to the united states of america, where we can bring— states of america, where we can nnng you— states of america, where we can nnng you due— states of america, where we can bring you live pictures. as of one— bring you live pictures. as of the arraignment— bring you live pictures. as of the arraignment that is due to tone— the arraignment that is due to tone place— the arraignment that is due to none dose in— the arraignment that is due to take place in the— the arraignment that is due to take place in the miami courthouse— take place in the miami courthouse in- take place in the miami courthouse in florida of the donne— courthouse in florida of the some us— courthouse in florida of the former us president donald trump . ne-s— former us president donald trump . ne-s dn— former us president donald trump . ne-s dn soun— former us president donald trump . he's in court over— former us president donald trump . he's in court over his miss nondund— . he's in court over his miss nondund on— . he's in court over his miss handling or alleged mishandling of dossdned— handling or alleged mishandling of classified documents . for of classified documents. for dnose— of classified documents. for those watching _ of classified documents. for those watching on television, onese— those watching on television, these pictures— those watching on television, these pictures outside the main sounnouse—

these pictures outside the main eounnouse dn— these pictures outside the main courthouse in miami. we saw the noooneode— courthouse in miami. we saw the nodoneode on— courthouse in miami. we saw the motorcade of donald trump noveddnd— motorcade of donald trump travelling down _ motorcade of donald trump travelling down the main highway towards— travelling down the main highway towards one— travelling down the main highway towards the courthouse earlier on today— towards the courthouse earlier on today .— towards the courthouse earlier on noduy . dnd— towards the courthouse earlier on today . that has just arrived on today. that has just arrived out on today. that has just arrived ouo ouosdde— on today. that has just arrived out outside the— on today. that has just arrived out outside the courthouse. mr trump— out outside the courthouse. mr nunp nosing— out outside the courthouse. mr nunp nodng ed— out outside the courthouse. mr trump facing 37 charges of mishandling— trump facing 37 charges of mishandling the files and he's oeeued— mishandling the files and he's oeeued on— mishandling the files and he's accused of unlawfully keeping us nodonod— accused of unlawfully keeping us national security— accused of unlawfully keeping us national security data . he is national security data. he is one— national security data. he is one dust— national security data. he is the first cousin,— national security data. he is the first cousin, current or none- the first cousin, current or former president, to face any enndnod— former president, to face any criminal charges. _ former president, to face any criminal charges. mr trump has denied— criminal charges. mr trump has dended od— criminal charges. mr trump has denied all the— criminal charges. mr trump has denied all the allegations in his denied all the allegations in nds nueened— denied all the allegations in his tweeted within the last few minutes— his tweeted within the last few minutes onen— his tweeted within the last few minutes that it's— his tweeted within the last few minutes that it's a witch hunt on w— minutes that it's a witch hunt on nv ondne— minutes that it's a witch hunt on tv online dab+ radio and on the on tv online dab+ radio and on one dune— on tv online dab+ radio and on one tune in— on tv online dab+ radio and on one nune dn app— on tv online dab+ radio and on one nune dn opp .— on tv online dab+ radio and on the tune in app . this is gb the tune in app. this is gb dens.— the tune in app. this is gb dens. noon— the tune in app. this is gb news. back now- the tune in app. this is gb news. back now to nigel . news. back now to nigel. farage wed,— news. back now to nigel. farage wed, dost— news. back now to nigel. farage well, last week— news. back now to nigel. farage well, last week we _ news. back now to nigel. farage well, last week we were nonnned — well, last week we were horrified by— well, last week we were horrified by the stabbings in dc.— horrified by the stabbings in no. in— horrified by the stabbings in ac. in france. _ horrified by the stabbings in ac. in france. " g a.c. in france. this morning we awoke to news that very much the

same thing had happened. the age of the victims was different, but stabbings, three dead in nottingham . well, the police are nottingham. well, the police are saying they talk about the suspect, but gb news has been leading with this story all day. we seem to know who the suspect is. let's go right now to the police station in nottingham and join mark white, gb news home and security editor. mark, you know something about this suspect .7 tell us more . yeah our suspect? tell us more. yeah our sources confirming to us- f“ e»; “owe: “in?" our sources confirming to us that nnds— sources confirming to us that one on— sources confirming to us that one on yeon— sources confirming to us that this 31 year old— sources confirming to us that this 31 year old prime time suspen— this 31 year old prime time suspect in— this 31 year old prime time suspect in the— this 31 year old prime time suspect in the fatal stabbing of one— suspect in the fatal stabbing of nnnee peoode— suspect in the fatal stabbing of three people and— suspect in the fatal stabbing of three people and in the injury of three people and in the injury on nnnee— three people and in the injury of three others— three people and in the injury of three others is— three people and in the injury of three others is in a west andean— of three others is in a west african migrant— of three others is in a west african migrant , of three others is in a west african migrant, a man, we're nodd— african migrant, a man, we're nodd unn— african migrant, a man, we're nodd nun o— african migrant, a man, we're told with a history of violence . don,— told with a history of violence . don, und— told with a history of violence . now, what we— told with a history of violence . now, what we don't know is , is . now, what we don't know is, is unennen— . now, what we don't know is, is unennen ons— . now, what we don't know is, is whether this person— . now, what we don't know is, is whether this person was in the county— whether this person was in the country lawfully,— whether this person was in the country lawfully, illegally , country lawfully, illegally, unennen— country lawfully, illegally, whether he's— country lawfully, illegally, whether he's an asylum seeker. nun— whether he's an asylum seeker. nun dn— whether he's an asylum seeker. nun in o— whether he's an asylum seeker. but in a sense,— whether he's an asylum seeker. but in a sense, all— whether he's an asylum seeker. but in a sense, all of those oneunenns—

but in a sense, all of those arguments will— but in a sense, all of those arguments will be had, of nun— arguments will be had, of course. but there's a more pnessdnd— course. but there's a more pnessdne ussue— course. but there's a more pressing issue to be concerned unn— pressing issue to be concerned nun unden— pressing issue to be concerned with, which is— pressing issue to be concerned with, which is whether if those ddeeed— with, which is whether if those alleged offences— with, which is whether if those alleged offences that he has a ndsnony— alleged offences that he has a ndsnony on— alleged offences that he has a ndsnony on one— alleged offences that he has a history of the violent offences , if history of the violent offences , n oney— history of the violent offences , n nney unnee— history of the violent offences , if they were committed in west annou— , if they were committed in west added unene — , if they were committed in west africa where the— , if they were committed in west africa where the authorities who let africa where the authorities who den ndn — africa where the authorities who den ndn dnno — africa where the authorities who let him into this— africa where the authorities who let him into this country at any snee— let him into this country at any stage dunne— let him into this country at any snoee on— let him into this country at any stage aware of those offences neeouse— stage aware of those offences because u— stage aware of those offences because if they— stage aware of those offences because if they were then deondy— because if they were then clearly letting _ because if they were then clearly letting him into the uk noudd— clearly letting him into the uk would potentially really be nonnnud— would potentially really be nonnnud no— would potentially really be harmful to the— would potentially really be harmful to the safety of the nunde. — harmful to the safety of the duode- and — harmful to the safety of the public. and just— harmful to the safety of the public. and just like in any county— public. and just like in any country around— public. and just like in any country around the world, you nove— country around the world, you due nnose— country around the world, you have those that— country around the world, you have those that vet others , you have those that vet others, you know,— have those that vet others, you know, nnose — have those that vet others, you know, those people that are coming— know, those people that are coming inno— know, those people that are coming into to— know, those people that are coming into to their country to denenndne— coming into to their country to denenndne n— coming into to their country to determine if they— coming into to their country to determine if they are people onen— determine if they are people not ne— determine if they are people that are conducive to the public good— that are conducive to the public good and— that are conducive to the public good and n— that are conducive to the public good and if they're not, they're not ououed— good and if they're not, they're not allowed in.— good and if they're not, they're not allowed in. so— good and if they're not, they're not allowed in. so those questions— not allowed in. so those questions need to be answered as neu— questions need to be answered as wed in— questions need to be answered as wed in one— questions need to be answered as well in the fullness— questions need to be answered as well in the fullness of time. nun— well in the fullness of time. nun non— well in the fullness of time. duo on de— well in the fullness of time. but for the moment, nigel, it's the but for the moment, nigel, it's nne snook— but for the moment, nigel, it's nne snoen on— but for the moment, nigel, it's the shock of what— but for the moment, nigel, it's the shock of what happened in the shock of what happened in nne eddy— the shock of what happened in the early hours— the shock of what happened in the early hours of— the shock of what happened in the early hours of this morning

nene— the early hours of this morning nene no— the early hours of this morning nene no young— the early hours of this morning here to young students just in onen— here to young students just in den teens— here to young students just in their teens, stabbed to death as nney— their teens, stabbed to death as nney waded— their teens, stabbed to death as they walked home— their teens, stabbed to death as they walked home from a night out unn— they walked home from a night out with other— they walked home from a night out with other students at a dood— out with other students at a local nightclub _ out with other students at a local nightclub club. then a man in ms— local nightclub club. then a man in nds ses— local nightclub club. then a man in nds 50s dos— local nightclub club. then a man in his 50s was stabbed to death. his in his 50s was stabbed to death. dds yon— in his 50s was stabbed to death. his van stolen— in his 50s was stabbed to death. his van stolen and— in his 50s was stabbed to death. his van stolen and used to odoudn— his van stolen and used to plough inno— his van stolen and used to plough into three other members of plough into three other members on de— plough into three other members on nne duode— plough into three other members of the public. one— plough into three other members of the public. one of those nnennensd— of the public. one of those members of— of the public. one of those members of the- of the public. one of those members of the public still endeody— members of the public still critically ill— members of the public still critically ill in— members of the public still critically ill in hospital donddnr— critically ill in hospital rondenr . — critically ill in hospital tonight. c critically ill in hospital tonight. critically ill in hospital- tonight . mark, it's, of course , tonight. mark, it's, of course, an absolute catalogue of horror that took place in nottingham last night. you've been covering stories like this for the last couple of decades. if you know that this man was a west african migrant with a history of violence , why were the police violence, why were the police holding back at that press conference so much . well, i conference so much. well, i mean, to be fair— conference so much. well, i mean, to be fair to- conference so much. well, i mean, to be fair to the- t"�*"r:i;”r:i;t rt well, i mean, to be fair to the police, rney— mean, to be fair to the police, oney one— mean, to be fair to the police, they are gathering the evidence doo— they are gathering the evidence not oney— they are gathering the evidence onoo oney need— they are gathering the evidence that they need to _ they are gathering the evidence that they need to gather on a suspect— that they need to gather on a suspect .— that they need to gather on a suspect . nur— that they need to gather on a suspect . but and— that they need to gather on a suspect . but and often with any suspect. but and often with any suspen— suspect. but and often with any suspect in— suspect. but and often with any suspect in custody,— suspect. but and often with any suspect in custody, the name is

usuody— suspect in custody, the name is usually withheld— suspect in custody, the name is usually withheld by the police up und— usually withheld by the police up und one — usually withheld by the police up until the moment that suspect is enonded— up until the moment that suspect is enonded .— up until the moment that suspect is enonded . ro— up until the moment that suspect is charged . to be— up until the moment that suspect is charged . to be fair to the is charged. to be fair to the suspen— is charged. to be fair to the suspect ,— is charged. to be fair to the suspect , n— is charged. to be fair to the suspect , it for— is charged. to be fair to the suspect , it for a— is charged. to be fair to the suspect , it for a start because suspect, it for a start because dds— suspect, it for a start because dds oossdde— suspect, it for a start because dds possdde ,— suspect, it for a start because it's possible , of— suspect, it for a start because it's possible , of course, maybe it's possible, of course, maybe noo— it's possible, of course, maybe nor in— it's possible, of course, maybe nor in ons— it's possible, of course, maybe not in this case,— it's possible, of course, maybe not in this case, but in many oney— not in this case, but in many cases, they are— not in this case, but in many cases, they are a— not in this case, but in many cases, they are a suspect later geos— cases, they are a suspect later oeos nedeosed— cases, they are a suspect later gets released without any oedon— gets released without any oedon. so— gets released without any action. so the— gets released without any action. so the normal policy is oney— action. so the normal policy is oney don-o— action. so the normal policy is they don't release— action. so the normal policy is they don't release names until all they don't release names until od oney— they don't release names until od oney one— they don't release names until all they are charged . whether, all they are charged. whether, onoudn— all they are charged. whether, onouon oney— all they are charged. whether, though, they could release background— though, they could release background on— though, they could release background on an individual is onoonen— background on an individual is another matter.— background on an individual is another matter. and you could noyoe— another matter. and you could noyne onoue— another matter. and you could maybe argue that— another matter. and you could maybe argue that there is oosoduoedy— maybe argue that there is absolutely certainly a legitimate— absolutely certainly a legitimate public interest in den — legitimate public interest in den dodnd— legitimate public interest in them doing that . if not the them doing that. if not the douse,— them doing that. if not the podee, onen— them doing that. if not the police, then certainly the politicians— police, then certainly the politicians suella braverman has node— politicians suella braverman has nnode o— politicians suella braverman has made a statement— politicians suella braverman has made a statement tonight. she nos— made a statement tonight. she has mentioned— made a statement tonight. she has mentioned nothing about the sooous— has mentioned nothing about the sooous on— has mentioned nothing about the sooous on ons— has mentioned nothing about the status of this individual people and status of this individual people ond doo— status of this individual people ond onoo r— status of this individual people and that i think— status of this individual people and that i think she will be adding— and that i think she will be getting pressed— and that i think she will be getting pressed on in the hours ond— getting pressed on in the hours ond doys— getting pressed on in the hours and days ahead— getting pressed on in the hours and days ahead to just tell reorde— and days ahead to just tell people eooedy— and days ahead to just tell people exactly what the home ondee— people exactly what the home office on— people exactly what the home office or what— people exactly what the home office or what the authorities nnen— office or what the authorities knew odour— office or what the authorities knew about this— office or what the authorities knew about this individual,

wneonen— knew about this individual, wneonen ne— knew about this individual, whether he was in the country deoody— whether he was in the country deoody on— whether he was in the country deoody on non— whether he was in the country legally or not, and whether the propen— legally or not, and whether the pnopen eneens— legally or not, and whether the proper checks that should be done — proper checks that should be done non— proper checks that should be done for anyone— proper checks that should be done for anyone coming into this county— done for anyone coming into this eounony ,— done for anyone coming into this eounony , our— done for anyone coming into this country , but which— done for anyone coming into this country , but which so often are country, but which so often are noo— country, but which so often are not od— country, but which so often are not od oney— country, but which so often are not all they should be for all kinds— not all they should be for all dnds on— not all they should be for all kinds of reasons,— not all they should be for all kinds of reasons, is whether dose— kinds of reasons, is whether onose prow— kinds of reasons, is whether those proper checks were carried out . — those proper checks were carried out . absolutely.— those proper checks were carried out . absolutely. mark- those proper checks were carried out . ' lid" out. absolutely. mark white, well done for being ahead of the rest of all the news organisation ins and actually telling us who the suspect is, at least what the origins of the suspect are. funny isn't it, how the home secretary and police can't even give us any indication of who the suspect is? what are they afraid of ? is? what are they afraid of? will geddes security specialist and ceo of threat management firm international corporate protection group joins me. will well, does this look like terrorism to you ? okay. so this terrorism to you? okay. so this is a terrorism to you? okay. so this is o neody— terrorism to you? okay. so this is a really interesting- r:::r.7’ okay. so this is a really interesting facet, udder.— is a really interesting facet, ddded r— is a really interesting facet, nigel. i looked— is a really interesting facet, nigel. i looked at all the component— nigel. i looked at all the component parts and whenever i put on— component parts and whenever i our on onodysds— component parts and whenever i put an analysis together , i look put an analysis together, i look at put an analysis together, i look or n— put an analysis together, i look or n dwe— put an analysis together, i look or do use o— put an analysis together, i look at it like a jigsaw— put an analysis together, i look at it like a jigsaw puzzle and i rode— at it like a jigsaw puzzle and i rode od— at it like a jigsaw puzzle and i rode odd one— at it like a jigsaw puzzle and i take all the various pieces of noon— take all the various pieces of non one— take all the various pieces of both the methodology and modus onenondd— both the methodology and modus ooenondd on— both the methodology and modus

operandi of the— both the methodology and modus operandi of the attack . and i operandi of the attack. and i odso— operandi of the attack. and i odso rook— operandi of the attack. and i also look at— operandi of the attack. and i also look at the— operandi of the attack. and i also look at the pieces that i our— also look at the pieces that i our in— also look at the pieces that i can put in and— also look at the pieces that i can put in and contribute to woo— can put in and contribute to not .— can put in and contribute to not . en— can put in and contribute to that . on what— can put in and contribute to that . on what the authorities that. on what the authorities are that. on what the authorities dodnd— that. on what the authorities dodnd ,— that. on what the authorities are doing , how— that. on what the authorities are doing , how they respond, who are doing, how they respond, who nesnonds— are doing, how they respond, who nesponds ond— are doing, how they respond, who responds and at— are doing, how they respond, who responds and at what capacity oney— responds and at what capacity oney nesoond— responds and at what capacity oney nespond .— responds and at what capacity they respond . now, my gut has they respond. now, my gut has been— they respond. now, my gut has been oeddnd— they respond. now, my gut has been telling me— they respond. now, my gut has been telling me right from the beginning— been telling me right from the beginning oodoy— been telling me right from the beginning today that there is some connectivity potentially, oooendody— some connectivity potentially, pooendody oo — some connectivity potentially, potentially to terrorism throughout— potentially to terrorism throughout today, we've heard doo— throughout today, we've heard not one— throughout today, we've heard that the authorities and pondeudody— that the authorities and particularly the nottinghamshire oodee— particularly the nottinghamshire oodee nove— particularly the nottinghamshire police have said— particularly the nottinghamshire police have said they are working— police have said they are working with— police have said they are working with their colleagues in oute— working with their colleagues in counter terrorism _ working with their colleagues in counter terrorism policing. now i counter terrorism policing. now r don-o— counter terrorism policing. now r don-o ondnw— counter terrorism policing. now i don't think it's— counter terrorism policing. now i don't think it's that straightforward. also the fact doo— straightforward. also the fact not w-wee— straightforward. also the fact that we've now— straightforward. also the fact that we've now got the origin of ons— that we've now got the origin of this individual,— that we've now got the origin of this individual, what i would wond— this individual, what i would wono oo— this individual, what i would want to know— this individual, what i would want to know is— this individual, what i would want to know is which west anneon— want to know is which west african country— want to know is which west african country this individual has african country this individual nos oossddy— african country this individual has possibly come from, because as has possibly come from, because os rust— has possibly come from, because os r-uso oo— has possibly come from, because os ruso to stop— has possibly come from, because as just to stop you— has possibly come from, because as just to stop you for a moment— as just to stop you for a moment, those watching can see some exclusive footage of the ones— some exclusive footage of the arrest, which _ some exclusive footage of the arrest, which again, we're privy to. arrest, which again, we're privy to — arrest, which again, we're privy to and— arrest, which again, we're privy to and os— arrest, which again, we're privy to and on o— arrest, which again, we're privy to. and as a channel,- arrest, which again, we're privy to. ' r: t" arrest, which again, we're privy to. ' fl " to. and as a channel, we've been leading the way on this. well sorry. yeah, very much so, nigel ond— sorry. yeah, very much so, nigel ond r— sorry. yeah, very much so, nigel ond r neon— sorry. yeah, very much so, nigel ond r dn— sorry. yeah, very much so, nigel and i mean, in terms— yeah, very much so, nigel and i mean, in terms of that deso— and i mean, in terms of that west african— and i mean, in terms of that west african country, a lot of reorde— west african country, a lot ofi people _ associate west african country, a lot of- people _ associate any people immediately associate any kind— people immediately associate any wind—oo— people immediately associate any kind—to usually- people immediately associate any kind north to usually

people immediately associate any kind north africa» usually people immediately associate any kind north africa orsually people immediately associate any kind north africa or torlly people immediately associate any kind north africa or to east either north africa or to east anno— either north africa or to east anneo on— either north africa or to east anneo on do— either north africa or to east africa or to the— either north africa or to east africa or to the middle east. nonedy— africa or to the middle east. nonedy do— africa or to the middle east. nonedy do oney— africa or to the middle east. rarely do they consider actually onene— rarely do they consider actually onene rs— rarely do they consider actually there is prolific— rarely do they consider actually there is prolific terrorism in wea— there is prolific terrorism in west africa, _ there is prolific terrorism in west africa, and— there is prolific terrorism in west africa, and that is onesenoed— west africa, and that is presented by- west africa, and that is presented by boko haram , but presented by boko haram, but odso— presented by boko haram, but odso ny— presented by boko haram, but also by islamic— presented by boko haram, but also by islamic state . so for also by islamic state. so for onene— also by islamic state. so for onene oo— also by islamic state. so for onene to de— also by islamic state. so for there to be a— also by islamic state. so for there to be a development owennddnn— there to be a development overnight, which then attributes this overnight, which then attributes onds os— overnight, which then attributes onds os ons— overnight, which then attributes this as this individual either nownd— this as this individual either nowno been— this as this individual either having been radicalised in some eopodoy— having been radicalised in some eooodoy on— having been radicalised in some eooodoy on nos— having been radicalised in some capacity or has been contributing or engaging with son— contributing or engaging with son on— contributing or engaging with some sort of terrorism group or ooendo— some sort of terrorism group or agenda, wouldn't— some sort of terrorism group or agenda, wouldn't come as a huge sunnnse— agenda, wouldn't come as a huge sunnnse oo— agenda, wouldn't come as a huge sunpndse do me— agenda, wouldn't come as a huge sunpndse do me. — agenda, wouldn't come as a huge surprise to me . so— agenda, wouldn't come as a huge surprise to me . " surprise to me. so in that situation, an organisation like prevent, i mean because the guy we're told has a history of violence. yes. would is that the kind of case that prevent would look at and monitor? i would hope so, yes. because- look at and monitor? i would hope so, yes. because i- pr: 2" r:::r7 i would hope so, yes. because i mean, wnen— hope so, yes. because i mean, wnen we— hope so, yes. because i mean, wnen we rook— hope so, yes. because i mean, when we look at— hope so, yes. because i mean, when we look at the profile of the when we look at the profile of one you— when we look at the profile of the vast majority— when we look at the profile of the vast majority of terrorists wno— the vast majority of terrorists wno nove— the vast majority of terrorists who have been— the vast majority of terrorists who have been subsequently openenended— who have been subsequently apprehended or— who have been subsequently apprehended or eliminated by the security— apprehended or eliminated by the seeunoy-oney— apprehended or eliminated by the security they generally security forces, they generally wid— security forces, they generally wdd od— security forces, they generally will all have— security forces, they generally will all have some degree of involvement— will all have some degree of involvement in— will all have some degree of involvement in crime or low dewed— involvement in crime or low level criminality.— involvement in crime or low level criminality. so for this dnddwduod— level criminality. so for this individual to— level criminality. so for this individual to have a history of woendee— individual to have a history of violence, this— individual to have a history of violence, this would not come as

a violence, this would not come as o sunnnse— violence, this would not come as o sunnnse os— violence, this would not come as a surprise, as a inject to that ropeswy— a surprise, as a inject to that ropesony on— a surprise, as a inject to that tapestry of someone being a rennonso— tapestry of someone being a terrorist motivated individual. now:— terrorist motivated individual. now we— terrorist motivated individual. now we don-o— terrorist motivated individual. now, we don't know for certain, nur— now, we don't know for certain, our one— now, we don't know for certain, our one door— now, we don't know for certain, but the fact that— now, we don't know for certain, but the fact that there has been soooenenos— but the fact that there has been statements made _ but the fact that there has been statements made by not only the nine— statements made by not only the prime minister,— statements made by not only the prime minister, the— statements made by not only the prime minister, the leader of one— prime minister, the leader of the opposition,— prime minister, the leader of the opposition, we look at crime one— the opposition, we look at crime across the country— the opposition, we look at crime across the country and i think we sometimes— across the country and i think we sometimes have to step back non— we sometimes have to step back from one— we sometimes have to step back from the trees— we sometimes have to step back from the trees to _ we sometimes have to step back from the trees to see the forest -we dood— from the trees to see the forest -we on or— from the trees to see the forest .-we look at the- from the trees to see the forest . we look at the amount of . when we look at the amount of enndnodoy— . when we look at the amount of criminality,-number- . when we look at the amount of criminality, number of criminality, the number of soonndnds— criminality, the number of- stabbings—here stabbings that take place here in stabbings that take place here dn-ond— stabbings that take place here dn-ond-one- stabbings that take place here. in-and-the country in london and across the country ,-doow— in london and across the country ,-roow oo— in london and across the country ,-roow or ons— in london and across the country , look at this situation , and we look at this situation in dsododon— , and we look at this situation in isolation. when— , and we look at this situation in isolation. when is an in isolation. when there is an oneeedenoed— in isolation. when there is an precedented response by the ouonondes— precedented response by the authorities is— precedented response by the authorities is now that sets my nous— authorities is now that sets my nodns running.— authorities is now that sets my hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep— hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep ,_ hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep , yep- _ hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep , yep- a_ hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep , yep- a huge- hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep , yep. ' d hairs running. yep, yep, yep, yep , yep. ' gr: yep, yep. a huge level of response . yes. and yet no response. yes. and yet no information indicates to me that they are very worried about the full story. getting out is the next thing we'll hear that the suspect had had mental health issues because time and again , issues because time and again, time sorry, but time and time i'm sorry, but time and again will when we have terrorist atrocity is oh, well, don't worry too much. the poor chap had mental health issues, you this is a thing. i'm you know, this is a thing. i'm

getting a bit tired. yeah,- getting a bit tired. yeah, it dnnunooes— getting a bit tired. yeah, it infuriates me.— getting a bit tired. yeah, it infuriates me. and you know, i get infuriates me. and you know, i oer-sonnenos- infuriates me. and you know, i get comments from get a lot of comments from reorde— get a lot of comments from people wno — get a lot of comments from people who have mental health .doo— people who have mental health issues.-got some- people who have mental health issues. got some very dear issues. i've got some very dear friends— issues. i've got some very dear friends-nove— issues. i've got some very dear friends have mental health friends who have mental health issues,_broad- issues, and it's this broad onusn— issues, and it's this broad brush banner,— issues, and it's this broad brush banner, think it's brush banner, and i think it's ddsnesneeo— brush banner, and i think it's disrespect-who- brush banner, and i think it's disrespect who do have disrespect to those who do have mentor— disrespect to those who do have mental health _ disrespect to those who do have mental health - but- disrespect to those who do have mental health but also mental health issues. but also i ondnn— mental health issues. but also i ondnw n— mental health issues. but also i think it nullifies_ mental health issues. but also i think it nullifies the fact that ons— think it nullifies the fact that this individual— think it nullifies the fact that this individual has a perverse ond— this individual has a perverse and distorted— this individual has a perverse and distorted agenda that wants to sonny— and distorted agenda that wants to sonny our— and distorted agenda that wants to carry out these— and distorted agenda that wants to carry out these attacks . and to carry out these attacks. and onene— to carry out these attacks. and wene-been— to carry out these attacks. and there been studies, nigel, there have been studies, nigel, ond— there have been studies, nigel, and-increasing- there have been studies, nigel, and increasing number and there are increasing number of and there are increasing number on soodsdes— and there are increasing number of statistics being— and there are increasing number of statistics being brought rodeonen— of statistics being brought together about causation and sonnerodon — together about causation and correlation of— together about causation and correlation of those with mental neodn— correlation of those with mental neodn wno— correlation of those with mental health who then— correlation of those with mental health who then commit terrorist owoddes— health who then commit terrorist oonoddes .— health who then commit terrorist atrocities . and— health who then commit terrorist atrocities . and there is atrocities. and there is a correlation _ atrocities. and there is a correlation ,_ atrocities. and there is a correlation , but very rarely correlation, but very rarely oousodon— correlation, but very rarely oousodon .— correlation, but very rarely causation . and- correlation, but very rarely causation . and it's rarely causation. and it's rarely oeeouse— causation. and it's rarely because they've had mental neodn— because they've had mental health issues— because they've had mental health issues that they've then done — health issues that they've then done on — health issues that they've then gone on do — health issues that they've then gone on do sonny— health issues that they've then gone on to carry out these onoews. — gone on to carry out these attacks. one— gone on to carry out these attacks. one of- gone on to carry out these attacks. qt: gone on to carry out these attacks. age. attacks. one of the arguments that peter hitchens, the veteran journalist the mail on sunday journalist on the mail on sunday makes time and again, you makes is, is time and again, you see people committed see people who've committed terrorist atrocities britain terrorist atrocities in britain and also linked to heavy and europe also linked to heavy drug use. yeah indeed. i mean, there's usually some— r:g / :: imean, there's usually some either a doss— there's usually some either a doss on— there's usually some either a doss on n— there's usually some either a class or b class— there's usually some either a class or b class involvement. rnene— class or b class involvement. rnene one— class or b class involvement. rnene o— class or b class involvement. there are a number of different noeoons— there are a number of different

noeoons nene— there are a number of different factors here which— there are a number of different factors here which can potentially— factors here which can potentially contribute it. so it doesn-o— potentially contribute it. so it doesn't necessarily and again , doesn't necessarily and again, to doesn't necessarily and again, do swoone— doesn't necessarily and again, do swoone n— doesn't necessarily and again, to swathe it with— doesn't necessarily and again, to swathe it with mental health, i to swathe it with mental health, rondnw— to swathe it with mental health, rondnw rs— to swathe it with mental health, rondnw is o— to swathe it with mental health, rondnw is o eon— to swathe it with mental health, i think is a cop out— to swathe it with mental health, i think is a cop out in some negonds— i think is a cop out in some negonds. r— i think is a cop out in some regards. i don't— i think is a cop out in some regards. i don't think it's neody— regards. i don't think it's neody r— regards. i don't think it's neody r you— regards. i don't think it's really i you know, it's being disrespectful— really i you know, it's being disrespectful to _ really i you know, it's being disrespectful to the mental neodn— disrespectful to the mental health community and those suffering— health community and those suffering from _ health community and those suffering from it. but i think it's suffering from it. but i think dds odso— suffering from it. but i think it's also disrespectful to the genenod— it's also disrespectful to the general public— it's also disrespectful to the general public because it's not oeouody— general public because it's not oeouody-onen- general public because it's not actually them any insight actually giving them any insight .—dnsdgnnud- actually giving them any insight ._insightful look. . lviv look or insightful look inro— . lviv look or insightful look into wnoo— . lviv look or insightful look into what drove— . lviv look or insightful look into what drove this person to eonnydng— into what drove this person to eonnydng our— into what drove this person to carrying out and— into what drove this person to carrying out and committing onese— carrying out and committing these crimes— carrying out and committing these crimes .— carrying out and committing these crimes . and we know there these crimes. and we know there are these crimes. and we know there reorde— these crimes. and we know there people wno— these crimes. and we know there are people who are— these crimes. and we know there are people who are out are people who are evil out onene— are people who are evil out wene-nove— are people who are evil out there have perfectly normal there who have perfectly normal dwes. — there who have perfectly normal lives. - perfectly- lives. they have perfectly nonnnor— lives. they have perfectly normal-have. lives. they have perfectly- normal-have perfectly normal jobs. they have perfectly nonnnod— normal jobs. they have perfectly nonnod—oney- normal jobs. they have perfectly normal—they have. normal jobs. they have perfectly normal they have a normal friends, but they have a desdne— normal friends, but they have a desdne ond— normal friends, but they have a desire and need— normal friends, but they have a desire and need because of radicalisation_ desire and need because of radicalisation or— desire and need because of radicalisation or influence from son— radicalisation or influence from son oo— radicalisation or influence from some sort to carry— radicalisation or influence from some sort to carry out these onoeks— some sort to carry out these onoeks . — some sort to carry out these attacks . will— some sort to carry out these attacks . �*vw�* cc c:: attacks. will geddes as ever, thank you for joining attacks. will geddes as ever, thank you forjoining me on the thank you for joining me on the program. um, i can't speak late on would be a mistake, on this. it would be a mistake, but if mark white and he hinted at this, if it turns out this man had a history of violence in west africa, but was allowed to stay in this country, there will be one hell of a row in a moment. andrew jameson will join

me, a biographer of boris johnson will get the latest and i'll get andrew to speculate on does boris have a future in

news radio. well, boris johnson very much in the news the last few days. i suppose the background- suppose the background to all of this suppose the background to all of we r..— suppose the background to all of one in ms— suppose the background to all of this in his fall— suppose the background to all of this in his fall from grace has been— this in his fall from grace has been noes— this in his fall from grace has been does he— this in his fall from grace has been does he tell the truth? leo-s— been does he tell the truth? leo-s nendnd— been does he tell the truth? let's remind ourselves of this exenonge— let's remind ourselves of this exenonge dn— let's remind ourselves of this exchange in the— let's remind ourselves of this exchange in the house of commons. yes- exchange in the house of commons. yes - exchange in the house of commons. yes m” commons. yes thank you, mr speaken commons. yes thank you, mr speaker. will the prime minister tell the house whether there was a party in downing street on the 13th of november? depher prime minister. mr speaker, no . but minister. mr speaker, no. but r-n— minister. mr speaker, no. but r-n sue— minister. mr speaker, no. but r-n doo— kl " mr speaker, no. but i'm sure that whatever happened , one— i'm sure that whatever happened , one guddonee— i'm sure that whatever happened , the guidance was— i'm sure that whatever happened , the guidance was followed and the , the guidance was followed and one nudes— , the guidance was followed and the rules were _ , the guidance was followed and the rules were followed at all dnes— the rules were followed at all dnes . — the rules were followed at all dnes. doy— the rules were followed at all times . okay. well- the rules were followed at all times. horicc the rules were followed at all times . �*fdrt;cc cd" the rules were followed at all times . ciro/say �*fdrt;cc cid" �*3“ the rules were followed at all times . cd" 3“ times. okay. well on the 13th of

november, there was a leaving party and there was a photograph of boris johnson and a group of people saying cheers with large glasses of something quite alcoholic. i'm joined by andrew gimson, by photographer of boris johnson, contributor to conservative home. you've studied boris for years and written about boris, the committee. now we learned today that he made a sort of last minute approach to the committee , the publication of the report has been delayed . for printing has been delayed. for printing reasons, we're told, and but a committee that had four members of the conservative party, mps on it have found that he wilfully misled parliament. what's your view? well i think he he lost the confidence of his colleagues. 148 of them voted ogodnso— colleagues. 148 of them voted ogodnso ndn — colleagues. 148 of them voted ogodnso ndn dn— colleagues. 148 of them voted against him in the— colleagues. 148 of them voted against him in the in- tgc. 148 of them voted against him in the in the condon— against him in the in the comfort ince— against him in the in the comfort ince vote that the conservative _ comfort ince vote that the conservative party had just unden— conservative party had just unden o— conservative party had just unden o yeon— conservative party had just under a year ago . then 60 of under a year ago. then 60 of onen — under a year ago. then 60 of onen sord— under a year ago. then 60 of them said they— under a year ago. then 60 of them said they wouldn't serve unden— them said they wouldn't serve unden ndn. — them said they wouldn't serve under him. and— them said they wouldn't serve under him. and that's the way

our under him. and that's the way system— under him. and that's the way our system works. _ under him. and that's the way our system works. he got chucked out by— our system works. he got chucked out by us— our system works. he got chucked our by nds on— our system works. he got chucked out by his own party as many ddsdngudsn— out by his own party as many distinguish people, including dongoneo— distinguish people, including margaret thatcher, have been befone— margaret thatcher, have been before gm,— margaret thatcher, have been before him, for— margaret thatcher, have been before him, for not telling the burn. — before him, for not telling the burn. wed— before him, for not telling the truth. well i because - before him, for not telling the. truth. well i because - had truth. well, because they had lost in him . i don't lost confidence in him. i don't think i don't think— lost confidence in him. i don't think i don't think that- trt:r“ :t :“ :“ i don't think i don't think that this very— think i don't think that this very greene— think i don't think that this very precise sort of new york rrnes— very precise sort of new york rrnes door— very precise sort of new york times fact checking approach is neody— times fact checking approach is neody one— times fact checking approach is neody rne woy— times fact checking approach is really the way to _ times fact checking approach is really the way to understand bonds. — really the way to understand bonds. -rn— really the way to understand boris.-in general- really the way to understand boris. in general terms, boris. i think in general terms, he boris. i think in general terms, ne dd— boris. i think in general terms, be do be— boris. i think in general terms, be do be dd— boris. i think in general terms, he did he did tell— boris. i think in general terms, he did he did tell the truth. ne-d— he did he did tell the truth. ne-d soy,— he did he did tell the truth. ne-d soy, we— he did he did tell the truth. he'd say, we get brexit done, bur— he'd say, we get brexit done, bur on— he'd say, we get brexit done, but on factual— he'd say, we get brexit done, but on factual matters, totally unnedobde— but on factual matters, totally unnedobde .— but on factual matters, totally unreliable . he— but on factual matters, totally unreliable . he couldn't, unreliable. he couldn't, ooudddb— unreliable. he couldn't, couldn't, couldn't care less obour— couldn't, couldn't care less about facts.— couldn't, couldn't care less about facts. and- couldn't, couldn't care less about facts. and that's what on — about facts. and that's what on beneow— about facts. and that's what john bercow said actually, when osked— john bercow said actually, when asked whether— john bercow said actually, when asked whether he— john bercow said actually, when asked whether he a liar, he asked whether he was a liar, he sord— asked whether he was a liar, he sord no— asked whether he was a liar, he sord bur— asked whether he was a liar, he said no, but he— asked whether he was a liar, he said no, but he has— asked whether he was a liar, he said no, but he has a wilful drsnegond— said no, but he has a wilful disregard for— said no, but he has a wilful disregard for the truth, which you— disregard for the truth, which you son— disregard for the truth, which you soy— disregard for the truth, which you can say amounts. but what i don-r— you can say amounts. but what i don-r-obour— you can say amounts. but what i don't-about calling- you can say amounts. but what i don't about calling him don't like about calling him a don— don't like about calling him a don rs— don't like about calling him a don rs dor— don't like about calling him a liar is that people think then obey-we— liar is that people think then rney-we —nrn - liar is that people think then. they've-him .they they've dealt with him and they nowen-r. — they've dealt with him and they bomb-very- haven't. politics is very complicated— haven't. politics is very. complicated-and complicated business and he's none-person-ol complicated business and he's- more-person.-a much more complex person. he's a much sombrer— more complex person. he's a much more complex-than- more complex person than that. ne-s— more complex person than that. he'sldramatist,_ more complex person than that. he's dramatist, and is he's a dramatist, really. and is a play— he's a dramatist, really. and is o rdoy rnuee— he's a dramatist, really. and is a play true? well,— he's a dramatist, really. and is a play true? well, of course dds—due, - a play true? well, of course it's—true, but. a play true? well, of coursei it's—true, but the it's not literally true, but the enodons— it's not literally true, but the emotions and _ it's not literally true, but the emotions and so— it's not literally true, but the emotions and so on that he expresses might— emotions and so on that he expresses might there might be a deep— expresses might there might be a deep burn— expresses might there might be a deep burn in— expresses might there might be a deep truth in them— expresses might there might be a deep truth in them . ' “r: expresses might there might be a deep truth in them . '“r: yrt;c expresses might there might be a deep truth in them . ' “r: «mic deep truth in them. and yet when people are polled , you know, two

people are polled, you know, two thirds of the country, when they're asked what word do you most with boris, liar most associate with boris, liar comes to the top. comes very near to the top. yes, he's fulfilled absolutely redesdy— yes, he's fulfilled absolutely benresdy. nne— yes, he's fulfilled absolutely perfectly. the main function of all perfectly. the main function of odd rune— perfectly. the main function of all prime ministers, which is to robe— all prime ministers, which is to robe one— all prime ministers, which is to take the blame.— all prime ministers, which is to take the blame. and that's the eosresr— take the blame. and that's the eosresr rnrng— take the blame. and that's the easiest thing to— take the blame. and that's the easiest thing to get him on. you know,— easiest thing to get him on. you know, us— easiest thing to get him on. you know, us o— easiest thing to get him on. you know, it's a knockdown thing. rnene— know, it's a knockdown thing. rnene one— know, it's a knockdown thing. there are various— know, it's a knockdown thing. there are various things. let's bows— there are various things. let's bows-or— there are various things. let's bows-or db— there are various things. let's have at this picture. have a look at this picture. andrew this is so, you know, andrew and this is so, you know, this this is the 13th of this is the this is the 13th of november where there are plenty of the room there of people in the room there toasting glasses. as we're toasting with glasses. as we're told, was a party told, there was quite a party that on, as you say, maybe that went on, as you say, maybe not lying, but but struggling a bit the time bit with the truth at the time when we couldn't go and visit our grandparents. yeah i think he feels it's a completely trivial thing, but of course. and rules are made to be and that rules are made to be broken—or- and that rules are made to be broken—of course| broken anyhow. and of course some-donn— broken anyhow. and of course some-don't feel- broken anyhow. and of course. some-don't feel-and some people don't feel that and need— some people don't feel that and reed-very— some people don't feel that and reed-very deerdy- some people don't feel that and feel very deeply and feel very, very deeply and wbdewen— feel very, very deeply and whatever, - i - feel very, very deeply and. whatever, - i .even feel very, very deeply and- whatever,-i.even you whatever, whatever i or even you say whatever, whatever i or even you soy rnrs— whatever, whatever i or even you soy rnrs evening— whatever, whatever i or even you say this evening will not change a say this evening will not change o srngde— say this evening will not change a single person's— say this evening will not change a single person's mind. and some neopre— a single person's mind. and some people one— a single person's mind. and some people are instinctively and srnongdy— people are instinctively and strongly hostile to him and ornens— strongly hostile to him and ornens one— strongly hostile to him and others are equally strongly favourable— others are equally strongly favourable towards this live and let favourable towards this live and do dwe. — favourable towards this live and do dwe. deny— favourable towards this live and let live. merry england

conservatism - let live. merry england conservatism people love. but gor— conservatism people love. but we've now got a— conservatism people love. but we've now got a different we've got we've now got a different we've gor o— we've now got a different we've gor o gube— we've now got a different we've got a quite different kind of conservative— got a quite different kind of conservative leader and the party— conservative leader and the bony owenod— conservative leader and the party overall want rishi sunak to party overall want rishi sunak ro be— party overall want rishi sunak ro be given— party overall want rishi sunak ro be gwen o— party overall want rishi sunak to be given a chance to show wnor— to be given a chance to show wnor ne— to be given a chance to show wnor ne son— to be given a chance to show what he can do— to be given a chance to show what he can do and to show that obey-we— what he can do and to show that they've learned _ what he can do and to show that they've learned from the things wnrsn— they've learned from the things wnrsn dd— they've learned from the things which did undoubtedly go wrong unden— which did undoubtedly go wrong unden bons— which did undoubtedly go wrong under boris johnson, war of under boris johnson, the war of words— under boris johnson, the war of words-den- under boris johnson, the war of words-them was- under boris johnson, the war of words them was quite words between them was quite brrren— words between them was quite borer—neon- words between them was quite borer—neon .- words between them was quite| bitter_ mean , you bitter yesterday. i mean, you know.— bitter yesterday. i mean, you know, just the way that rishi sunak he me to sunak said that he asked me to do i didn't think it do something. i didn't think it was right quite biting, wasn't it? quite biting . and certainly it? quite biting. and certainly i it? quite biting. and certainly r rnrnk— it? quite biting. and certainly i think sunak— it? quite biting. and certainly i think sunak wants- it? quite biting. and certainly i think sunak wants to- 7 (3c. c “g and certainly i think sunak wants to show that ne-s— i think sunak wants to show that ne-s ne-s— i think sunak wants to show that ne-s ne-s gube— i think sunak wants to show that he's he's quite different he's he's quite a different snonosren— he's he's quite a different character and— he's he's quite a different character and actually character and this actually does— character and this actually gives-chance- character and this actually gives-chance to- character and this actually gives chance to dramatise gives him a chance to dramatise don— gives him a chance to dramatise rnor- — gives him a chance to dramatise rnor- vood— gives him a chance to dramatise that.- yeah. and- gives him a chance to dramatise that.- yeah. and if- gives him a chance to dramatise that. “41th?" ' “r: �*" that. yeah yeah. and if people don't like it, that's tough. i mean, it was, it was, it was interesting from sunak us johnson, clearly did not want to face the conclusions of this committee, not to face committee, did not want to face this. the suspension did not want to face a recall by—election, which would have happened , i think, in uxbridge. happened, i think, in uxbridge. he's gone. he's angry. what fascinates me are the newspapers are full of when will boris attempt to come back . and i

attempt to come back. and i can't see them ever letting him back in, can you? well, boris can back in, can you? well, boris runn— back in, can you? well, boris can turn on a sixpence- t :“ cr?" rt:rc7 well, boris can turn on a sixpence and he wnor— can turn on a sixpence and he wnor os— can turn on a sixpence and he wnor os o— can turn on a sixpence and he sees what as a man, he's a r-ounnodsr— sees what as a man, he's a rounnodsr .— sees what as a man, he's a rounnodsr. ne— sees what as a man, he's a journalist . he saw what the journalist. he saw what the sow— journalist. he saw what the srony os— journalist. he saw what the srony ond— journalist. he saw what the story was and he saw when the sow— story was and he saw when the srony nod— story was and he saw when the story had changed. and that's the difficult— story had changed. and that's the difficult thing. and politicians— the difficult thing. and politicians need the same obrdry— politicians need the same obrdry ro— politicians need the same ability to know when the stories sbonge— ability to know when the stories sbonge-rne— ability to know when the stories change.-the story- ability to know when the stories change. the story the change. well, the story at the nnonnenr— change. well, the story at the nonenr-rne- change. well, the story at the moment the conservative moment is that the conservative party— moment is that the conservative bony—ody— moment is that the conservative bony—ondy-ori party reckons its only chance of winning— party reckons its only chance of winning-election- party reckons its only chance of winning-election is- party reckons its only chance of winning election is to winning the next election is to undre— winning the next election is to undre-rnrs— winning the next election is to unite-this rather- winning the next election is to unite this rather boring unite under this rather boring but-competent- unite under this rather boring but competent and his but highly competent and in his way but highly competent and in his woy onrobde— but highly competent and in his way amiable reputable . all way amiable and reputable. all new-minister— way amiable and reputable. all new-minister. - way amiable and reputable. all new minister . int“ rt“ way amiable and reputable. all- new-minister. which means. new prime minister. which means. which means there's no space for bods which means there's no space for boris johnson. there's no space for bons— boris johnson. there's no space for boris johnson.— boris johnson. there's no space for boris johnson. but- ““ there's no space for boris johnson. but people wr— for boris johnson. but people wrd nnss— for boris johnson. but people will miss him.— for boris johnson. but people will miss him. oddly enough, rye—one- i've even heard the odd rounnodsr— i've even heard the odd journalist because he's journalist who, because he's ne-s— journalist who, because he's nes—ro- journalist who, because he's ne-s—ro nrs- journalist who, because he's he's—to his oldi he's so generous to his old bode,— he's so generous to his old trade,.provides- he's so generous to his old trade, provides so much good trade, he provides so much good copy,— trade, he provides so much good copyr good— trade, he provides so much good copy, good coverage. keeccg copy, good coverage. exactly. roosdy. — copy, good coverage. exactly. rxosdy. rne— copy, good coverage. exactly. exactly. the theatre- copy, good coverage. xtdtccy ketccy the theatre of exactly. the theatre of boddss— exactly. the theatre of politics, which - ketccy the theatre of politics, which and the puritans wond— politics, which and the puritans wonr ro— politics, which and the puritans want to -theatres. - politics, which and the puritans want to theatres. they want to close theatres. they bore— want to close theatres. they hate theatre— want to close theatres. they hate theatre .— want to close theatres. they hate theatre . they think theatre hate theatre. they think theatre is hate theatre. they think theatre rs-ond— hate theatre. they think theatre is-and frivolous- hate theatre. they think theatre is-and frivolous .- hate theatre. they think theatre is and frivolous . and is irrelevant and frivolous. and wesen-ous— is irrelevant and frivolous. and we-serious people- is irrelevant and frivolous. and we serious people for we need serious people for sedous- and- we need serious people for. serious-. and -write serious times. and they write gneor— serious times. and they write gneor-onrsdes- serious times. and they write great articles and serious times. and they write - great-articles and boris great pompous articles and boris wouddn-r— great pompous articles and boris wouddn-r nong— great pompous articles and boris wouldn't hang around to listen to wouldn't hang around to listen ro-bonbous— wouldn't hang around to listen to pompous homilies to the pompous homilies that weneo-r— to the pompous homilies that wene-ro-ro- to the pompous homilies that were-to-to himj were going to be read to him rnrs— were going to be read to him one week— were going to be read to him one week by— were going to be read to him this week by this— were going to be read to him this week by this committee. nur— this week by this committee. bur-gong—

this week by this committee. bur-gong bos— this week by this committee. but-going has damaged. this week by this committee. but going has damaged the but he's going has damaged the party. virtually gifted party. he's virtually gifted uxbndge party. he's virtually gifted uxbridge the labour party. uxbridge to the labour party. goodness knows what happen uxbridge to the labour party. gothe ess knows what happen uxbridge to the labour party. gothe mid—bedfordshire happen in the mid—bedfordshire by—election as well . if an by—election as well. if an association in somewhere, who knows where oxfordshire is, who's to say where to choose bods who's to say where to choose boris johnson to be their candidate for the next general election ? sunak couldn't allow election? sunak couldn't allow it, could he ? i think he it, could he? i think he nobody— c t: “rt7 ithink he probably wouldn't . but it's probably wouldn't. but it's a drrdsud— probably wouldn't. but it's a difficult choice— probably wouldn't. but it's a difficult choice for him because he difficult choice for him because ne son-r— difficult choice for him because he can't afford— difficult choice for him because he can't afford a— difficult choice for him because he can't afford a civil war wrrnrn— he can't afford a civil war wrrnrn one— he can't afford a civil war within the conservative party. rne— within the conservative party. the conservative _ within the conservative party. the conservative party has got to the conservative party has got ro—rnods- the conservative party has got ro—rnor-s wnyl the conservative party has goti to _that's why it's to be united and that's why it's been— to be united and that's why it's been-successful. - to be united and that's why it's been successful. been so successful. so the gondo— been so successful. so the gamble would be, well, if he thinks boris is weak enough, then he'll say no. but boris, nrsronsody— then he'll say no. but boris, historically has— then he'll say no. but boris, historically has had- then he'll say no. but boris, historically has had a- “rt“ cc but boris, historically has had a very, very— historically has had a very, very rney— historically has had a very, very rney rowe— historically has had a very, very they love him in henley, wnrsn— very they love him in henley, wnrsn rs— very they love him in henley, wnrsn is de— very they love him in henley, which is the obvious seat for nin— which is the obvious seat for run ro— which is the obvious seat for run ro go— which is the obvious seat for nrn ro go for.— which is the obvious seat for him to go for. he's bought a nse— him to go for. he's bought a nouse— him to go for. he's bought a nice house there— him to go for. he's bought a nice house there that that's, rnor-s— nice house there that that's, that's where _ nice house there that that's, that's where child number three on one— that's where child number three on we woy— that's where child number three on the way with— that's where child number three on the way with carrie and he knows— on the way with carrie and he knows every— on the way with carrie and he knows every inch— on the way with carrie and he knows every inch of it and it's a knows every inch of it and it's o beoudrur— knows every inch of it and it's a beautiful bit— knows every inch of it and it's a beautiful bit of— knows every inch of it and it's a beautiful bit of bit of sounrny. — a beautiful bit of bit of country. and- a beautiful bit of bit of country. ' “r: “ a beautiful bit of bit of- country. and what's his legacy as prime minister well, brexit, the as prime minister well, brexit, rne wossrnes—

as prime minister well, brexit, the vaccines and— as prime minister well, brexit, the vaccines and seeing- 37” dd. “ well, brexit, the vaccines and seeing very eody— the vaccines and seeing very eondy nowng— the vaccines and seeing very early having the— the vaccines and seeing very early having the courage and to see early having the courage and to wnen— early having the courage and to see when ukraine— early having the courage and to see when ukraine deserved and undensrondrng— see when ukraine deserved and understanding that this was neody— understanding that this was neody os— understanding that this was really was about freedom. just as really was about freedom. just os nnenn— really was about freedom. just as brexit was. _ really was about freedom. just as brexit was. we— really was about freedom. just as brexit was. �*vw�*rt grtr as brexit was. we got some we got some breaking news on boris bods got some breaking news on boris boris johnson has urged the privileges committee to publish its report on whether he lied to parliament partygate and parliament over partygate and let the world judge there nonsense as he hit out at the paneps nonsense as he hit out at the panel's absurdity. absurdly unfair rules. in a statement it right. okay, so he's still going . he's still going. he's still battling away trying to frame the thing in his own way. he won't just sit and wait- “g t“ t“ he won't just sit and wait for dds.— won't just sit and wait for rnrs. rnrs— won't just sit and wait for this. this torrent of criticism to this. this torrent of criticism ro boun— this. this torrent of criticism ro pour oe— this. this torrent of criticism to pour over him _ this. this torrent of criticism to pour over him on the legacy nnenn— to pour over him on the legacy brews — to pour over him on the legacy brews vou— to pour over him on the legacy brexit. you said— to pour over him on the legacy brexit. you said yes.- to pour over him on the legacy brexit. /rtrc r: flirt. brexit. you said yes. vaccine rollout. yes could only happen because of brexit. but taking a stance over ukraine? yes, i think it would,— stance over ukraine? yes, i think it would, yes.- stance over ukraine? yes, i think it would, yes. - stance over ukraine? yes, i think it would, yes. otherwise it think it would, yes. otherwise do wo— think it would, yes. otherwise it was the european commission. yeah. yeah. yeah. who were going to be in charge and on russia, our foreign policy for the last few years had been we did not speak out individually. we were

supposed so collectively supposed to do so collectively with the eu. so yes, it all leads from brexit. yes. if brexit is back and i've been speculating over the weekend about because i've said if about this because i've said if you people and say who's you poll people and say who's responsible which responsible for brexit, which either them heroes either makes them heroes or villains, names. you villains, you get two names. you get boris johnson and nigel farage. if the next labour farage. yes if the next labour government was to threaten brexit, would have to come brexit, he would have to come back in some way to defend his legacy, wouldn't he? yes, i'd be surprised n— legacy, wouldn't he? yes, i'd be surprised if keir— legacy, wouldn't he? yes, i'd be surprised if keir starmer- cliffs/pig : “ c “rt7 yes, i'd be surprised if keir starmer does it surprised if keir starmer does do dor— surprised if keir starmer does it that directly,— surprised if keir starmer does it that directly, because keir sronnen— starmer has got this great bnobren — starmer has got this great bnobren lof— starmer has got this great problem of course he has problem of, of course he has a den— problem of, of course he has a gneor nony— problem of, of course he has a gneor nony or— problem of, of course he has a great many of the— problem of, of course he has a great many of the liberal intelligentsia— great many of the liberal intelligentsia who still think dor— intelligentsia who still think rnor-rs— intelligentsia who still think rnor-rs one— intelligentsia who still think that-is the root- intelligentsia who still think that is the root cause of that brexit is the root cause of all that brexit is the root cause of od-rnoubdes— that brexit is the root cause of all-troubles and- that brexit is the root cause of all troubles and everything all our troubles and everything in -wonderful,- all our troubles and everything in wonderful, which is in europe is wonderful, which is nonsenseiwell_ in europe is wonderful, which is nonsense well then ask them nonsense. well then ask them wnor— nonsense. well then ask them wnor obey— nonsense. well then ask them what they think— nonsense. well then ask them what they think about the nungonon— what they think about the hungarian prime minister, for example-— hungarian prime minister, for example- our— hungarian prime minister, for example. but but yeah. so it's yeon— example. but but yeah. so it's yeon. dds— example. but but yeah. so it's yeon. rr-s sonny.— example. but but yeah. so it's yeah, it's sorry, i've lost my worn— yeah, it's sorry, i've lost my worn or— yeah, it's sorry, i've lost my train of thought— yeah, it's sorry, i've lost my train of thought there. �*vw�*rtcc train of thought there. well, r-nn — train of thought there. well, r-nn rubr— train of thought there. well, r-nn rusr soydng— train of thought there. well, i'm just saying, you know , with i'm just saying, you know, with boris, with all of these things , as i'm saying, at some point in the future, if, if labour take us into the single market and we then go towards an

associate membership. yes. and it brexit in name only, it becomes brexit in name only, literally he'd have to come back and fight for that. well, he certainly comment- and fight for that. well, he certainly comment on- rt“r: �*7 g“ well, he certainly comment on it. rt“rt �*7 g“ well, he certainly comment on it. he'd dgnr— certainly comment on it. he'd dgnr on— certainly comment on it. he'd dgnr on do— certainly comment on it. he'd ngnr on n n— certainly comment on it. he'd fight on it if he— certainly comment on it. he'd fight on it if he thought there was an opportunity for him to deod— was an opportunity for him to deod rne— was an opportunity for him to lead the thing.— was an opportunity for him to lead the thing. and he does, obwousry. — lead the thing. and he does, obviously. is— lead the thing. and he does, obviously. is that- lead the thing. and he does, obviously. c obviously. is that what it's all about with him? it all about about with him? is it all about him? not all about him, him? no it's not all about him, but it is about what's practical. and so he agonised. i yeons ogo— tt and so he agonised. i mean, years ago agonised mean, years ago he agonised obour— mean, years ago he agonised about whether— mean, years ago he agonised about whether go in for being about whether to go in for being down— about whether to go in for being doyonldondon— about whether to go in for being mayor london because ken mayor of london because ken dwngsrone— mayor of london because ken livingstone thousand mayor of london because ken livingtwasz thousand mayor of london because ken livingtwas reckoned 1ousand mayor of london because ken livingtwas reckoned t01sand mayor of london because ken livingtwas reckoned to beid seven was reckoned to be dnwdnsdbde— seven was reckoned to be invincible, and - seven was reckoned to be invincible, and he decided ken wosnr— invincible, and he decided ken wows-dd.— invincible, and he decided ken wasn't.-did. he- invincible, and he decided ken wasn't. did. he did think wasn't. but he did. he did think obour— wasn't. but he did. he did think obourlond— wasn't. but he did. he did think about.and.asked- wasn't. but he did. he did think about and asked everyone's about it and he asked everyone's obrnron— about it and he asked everyone's obrnronlne— about it and he asked everyone's opinion-he went— about it and he asked everyone's opinion he went round. and opinion as he went round. and onen— opinion as he went round. and den-od— opinion as he went round. and then-all felt,— opinion as he went round. and then-all felt,-of- opinion as he went round. and then all felt, of them then they all felt, each of them rndrwduody— then they all felt, each of them individually felt— then they all felt, each of them individually felt that they were nesponsdbde— individually felt that they were responsible—him . responsible for getting him to srond. —eosn- responsible for getting him to stand.-each of- responsible for getting him to stand. each of them stand. so he left each of them wron— stand. so he left each of them won-neon— stand. so he left each of them with heart warming with his heart warming impression. _ with his heart warming impression. it up impression. but he weighed it up very.— impression. but he weighed it up very—and- impression. but he weighed it up very—and ne-dl very, very carefully. and he'll do-ogorn— very, very carefully. and he'll do-ogorn .— very, very carefully. and he'll do-again . and- very, very carefully. and he'll- do-again . and -with do that again. and he did. with brown.— do that again. and he did. with brown. veob. — do that again. and he did. with brexit. yeah. yes.— do that again. and he did. with brexit. yeah. yes. so- do that again. and he did. �*vw�* fiétrtx c “411?" yes. so whether to brexit. yeah. yes. so whether to bosk— brexit. yeah. yes. so whether to bosk nnenn— brexit. yeah. yes. so whether to back brexit or— brexit. yeah. yes. so whether to back brexit or not,— brexit. yeah. yes. so whether to back brexit or not, he- fiétrtx c “411?" yes. so whether to back brexit or not, he actually nod— back brexit or not, he actually nod one— back brexit or not, he actually nod rne wn— back brexit or not, he actually had the wit to,— back brexit or not, he actually had the wit to, to,— back brexit or not, he actually had the wit to, to, to agree nor— had the wit to, to, to agree do we — had the wit to, to, to agree do we nod— had the wit to, to, to agree that we had the- had the wit to, to, to agree that we had the whole argument besouse— that we had the whole argument because actually— that we had the whole argument because actually there are there is o— because actually there are there is o fon— because actually there are there is a case for and— because actually there are there is a case for and a— because actually there are there is a case for and a case ogornsr.— is a case for and a case ogornsr. r— is a case for and a case against. i mean how you get on now— against. i mean how you get on now we— against. i mean how you get on now we ger— against. i mean how you get on now we ger on— against. i mean how you get on

how we get on -our- how we get on with our neighbours— how we get on with our neighbours in- how we get on with our neighbours in europe there are the neighbours in europe there are we bu— neighbours in europe there are be en rnene— neighbours in europe there are the eu there was— neighbours in europe there are the eu there was a case for it, i the eu there was a case for it, r sourdn-r— the eu there was a case for it, i couldn't see— the eu there was a case for it, i couldn't see it,— the eu there was a case for it, i couldn't see it, but i'm sure rnene— i couldn't see it, but i'm sure onene os— i couldn't see it, but i'm sure onene — i couldn't see it, but i'm sure there was no. you— i couldn't see it, but i'm sure there was no. you were rather bdnked— there was no. you were rather bdnked. o— there was no. you were rather blinked, a blinkered view there was no. you were rather bliit. i, a blinkered view there was no. you were rather bliit. rt blinkered view there was no. you were rather bliit. rt rtrtc gt red view there was no. you were rather bliit. rt tgt view there was no. you were rather bliit. rt tgt v of it. i'd be delighted to say. yes, absolutely. well, i'll be eternally grateful to for eternally grateful to boris for backing brexit it backing the brexit side. it mattered without we mattered without him, we wouldn't have it over the wouldn't have got it over the line. a final thought. line. yeah. a final thought. what the what would you rate the percentage chance of johnson being an mp in the next parliament? few i would say 23.5. 23 after extensive private bodrng. — 23.5. 23 after extensive private bodrng. wed.— 23.5. 23 after extensive private polling. well, it's— 23.5. 23 after extensive private polling. well, it's a— $213 to 23 after extensive private polling. well, it's a very good answer. andrew— polling. well, it's a very good answer. ' “ “rt“s polling. well, it's a very good- answer. andrew timpson thank you for entertaining us all ways. well, in a moment, we'll talk about the covid inquiry. yes, it's happening. it's gone public today. and the really good news is we will get a result. we'll get an answer. yes in the summer of 2026, it's going to cost £130 million. why why is it taking that long? professor angus dalgleish will not be holding back in just a moment.

the radio player apps from the ssnoor— the radio player apps from the ssnood ur— the radio player apps from the school run to— the radio player apps from the school run to rush— the radio player apps from the school run to rush hour get newed— school run to rush hour get revved up— school run to rush hour get revved up with— school run to rush hour get revved up with me patrick snnsrys— revved up with me patrick snnsrys .— revved up with me patrick snnsrys. — revved up with me patrick christys . revved up with me patrick christys. t/rttfr �*7 christys. finally, yes, finally . we've got the covid inquiry. they've done loads and loads of preliminary work, but today the covid inquiry went public. but the thing i can't quite get my head around is why are we spending £130 million on an inquiry ? that will not conclude inquiry? that will not conclude until the summer of 2026? i'm going to say that again 20, 26. three more years of this inquiry. i mean, i've never doubted the whole thing would be a complete whitewash anyway, but goodness me, what an absolute joke. the whole thing is. or maybe i've got this completely wrong. well, joining me is angus dalgleish, professor of oncology at saint george's university of london. university of london. and angus , sweden have had their

and angus, sweden have had their inquiry . it's and angus, sweden have had their inquiry. it's done and and angus, sweden have had their inquiry . it's done and dusted. inquiry. it's done and dusted. what the hell is going on here? well i think it's as you say, i think it's going to be just a big whitewash and everything is going to be swept under the carpet and all the major issues are not going to be addressed at all. the only good thing about it all. the only good thing about rr rs— all. the only good thing about n is obey— all. the only good thing about n is oney sord— the only good thing about it is they said they're giving some precedence to the people wno— some precedence to the people who suffered. _ some precedence to the people who suffered. so— some precedence to the people who suffered. so we're hearing reorde— who suffered. so we're hearing people wno— who suffered. so we're hearing people who terrible problems people who had terrible problems in doskdown— people who had terrible problems in lockdown, etcetera, that to me— in lockdown, etcetera, that to me rs— in lockdown, etcetera, that to me is obour— in lockdown, etcetera, that to me is about the— in lockdown, etcetera, that to me is about the only good bit besouse— me is about the only good bit because we see— me is about the only good bit because we see the next people going— because we see the next people grwng ewdense— because we see the next people giving evidence include the sage sonndbee— giving evidence include the sage committee, which _ giving evidence include the sage committee, which i had no idea so bod— committee, which i had no idea was so bad and— committee, which i had no idea was so bad and people who were very.— was so bad and people who were very. very— was so bad and people who were very. very bro— was so bad and people who were very, very pro lockdown and sourdn-r— very, very pro lockdown and couldn't stop— very, very pro lockdown and couldn't stop barking about it ond— couldn't stop barking about it ond r— couldn't stop barking about it ond r neody— couldn't stop barking about it and i really think that that's going— and i really think that that's gorng ro— and i really think that that's gorng ro gwe— and i really think that that's going to give the impression dor— going to give the impression do we— going to give the impression that we should— going to give the impression that we should have got sonernrng— that we should have got something that we could have got sonernrng— something that we could have got sonernrng wrong— something that we could have got something wrong and we should bowe— something wrong and we should nowe dosked— something wrong and we should have locked down— something wrong and we should have locked down earlier when, you— have locked down earlier when, you know.— have locked down earlier when, you know. os— have locked down earlier when, you know, as.know- have locked down earlier when, you know, as know from you know, as we know from sweden.— you know, as we know from sweden.lwos— you know, as we know from sweden, was totally the sweden, it was totally the opposrre. — sweden, it was totally the opposite. lockdown has been an obsodure— opposite. lockdown has been an absolute disaster.— opposite. lockdown has been an absolute disaster. they're absolute disaster. yeah, they're odso—bdoyed- absolute disaster. yeah, they're odso—broyed o- absolute disaster. yeah, they'rei also—played a role also saying brexit played a role in one— also saying brexit played a role

in we wnore— also saying brexit played a role in the whole thing going wrong, bonrsudody— particularly in northern rnedond. — particularly in northern ireland. gt particularly in northern ireland. .goodness where ireland. my goodness knows where we go with that. but back back to lockdown. there was almost a competition wasn't competition going on, wasn't there, between, you know, we, wales, england and who wales, scotland, england and who could lock down the hardest . but could lock down the hardest. but the press were printed press were wall to wall supporters of lockdown , which i'm sure had lockdown, which i'm sure had nothing to do with the full wrap around spreads at 50 grand or throw or whatever it is they were getting. i mean , there was were getting. i mean, there was almost a competition who could lock down the hardest. and i remember people like you during the lockdown and you were speaking out your deep concerns about what closing down the hospitals would mean for the longer term health and of course, cancer. your great subject. and that's proved to be the case. what happened was some sort of collective madness that overtook us. was it a sort of an attempt to stop anyone questioning what the government was about? did we become almost totalitarian in our thinking ?

totalitarian in our thinking? yes, we did. we entered a mass rsysbosds— yes, we did. we entered a mass bsysnosrs. rnrs— yes, we did. we entered a mass psychosis. this is— yes, we did. we entered a mass psychosis. this is this- r/rttfr rt rt we entered a mass psychosis. this is this is or a we— psychosis. this is this is or a we became victims like stockholm syndrome— we became victims like stockholm syndrome victims— we became victims like stockholm syndrome victims .— we became victims like stockholm syndrome victims . it was just syndrome victims. it was just beyond— syndrome victims. it was just beyond belief.— syndrome victims. it was just beyond belief. and people like me wno— beyond belief. and people like me who stood— beyond belief. and people like me who stood up— beyond belief. and people like me who stood up and my colleague wno-s— me who stood up and my colleague wno-s obo— me who stood up and my colleague who's also oncology— me who stood up and my colleague who's also oncology ,_ me who stood up and my colleague who's also oncology , carol who's also oncology, carol sword— who's also oncology, carol sikora, who's— who's also oncology, carol sikora, who's been on this. yes. we sikora, who's been on this. yes. we srood— sikora, who's been on this. yes. we srood ub— sikora, who's been on this. yes. we stood up and— sikora, who's been on this. yes. we stood up and we said this is going— we stood up and we said this is gorng ro— we stood up and we said this is gorng ro be— we stood up and we said this is gorng ro be on— we stood up and we said this is going to be an unmitigated drsosren— going to be an unmitigated disaster for— going to be an unmitigated disaster for cancer management down— disaster for cancer management down one— disaster for cancer management down we dne. — disaster for cancer management down the line. and— disaster for cancer management down the line. and we can't see any— down the line. and we can't see ony non— down the line. and we can't see any reason for locking down. we snourd— any reason for locking down. we should follow.— any reason for locking down. we should follow. the— any reason for locking down. we should follow. the swedish example— should follow. the swedish example rs— should follow. the swedish example is kind of look after rnose— example is kind of look after dose or— example is kind of look after those at risk— example is kind of look after those at risk and— example is kind of look after those at risk and yourself and r-usr— those at risk and yourself and r-usr be— those at risk and yourself and just be sensible— those at risk and yourself and just be sensible about it. this is on— just be sensible about it. this is an airborne— just be sensible about it. this is an airborne disease . lockdown is an airborne disease. lockdown does— is an airborne disease. lockdown does nor— is an airborne disease. lockdown does nor wonk— is an airborne disease. lockdown does not work for— is an airborne disease. lockdown does not work for airborne drseoses— does not work for airborne diseases outside. then just for, say,— diseases outside. then just for, soy. one— diseases outside. then just for, soy. rne dnsr— diseases outside. then just for, say, the first escape bit, a roskdown. — say, the first escape bit, a lockdown. and _ say, the first escape bit, a lockdown. and this is the other rnrng— lockdown. and this is the other rnrng .— lockdown. and this is the other rnrng . rney— lockdown. and this is the other thing . they couldn't tell the thing. they couldn't tell the dnrenense— thing. they couldn't tell the difference between lockdown and guonondne— difference between lockdown and quarantine because they treated rosbdown— quarantine because they treated doskdown os— quarantine because they treated lockdown as if— quarantine because they treated lockdown as if it— quarantine because they treated lockdown as if it was a quarantine. _ lockdown as if it was a quarantine. and the bit i made ngnr— quarantine. and the bit i made ngnr or— quarantine. and the bit i made ngnr or one— quarantine. and the bit i made right at the beginning is why do you doss— right at the beginning is why do you dosk down— right at the beginning is why do you lock down now when you drdn-r— you lock down now when you didn't quarantine? so we were dosked— didn't quarantine? so we were locked-people's- didn't quarantine? so we were locked people's lives locked down, people's lives desrnoyed— locked down, people's lives

destroyed businesses, ewenyddng- destroyed businesses, everything. were everything. while planes were dying— everything. while planes were dyrng rn— everything. while planes were dyrng n from — everything. while planes were flying in from wuhan, every day. deod— flying in from wuhan, every day. weon. dor— flying in from wuhan, every day. yeah, that was— flying in from wuhan, every day. yeah, that was not— flying in from wuhan, every day. yeah, that was not quarantine in in yeah, that was not quarantine in n onybody-s— yeah, that was not quarantine in in anybody's books. ”rt in anybody's books. i remember the day that milan declared an emergency. it was a sunday, sunday morning, early and milan declared an emergency. and that day , 21 aeroplanes from milan's day, 21 aeroplanes from milan's malpensa airport came into the uk . i simply couldn't believe it uk. i simply couldn't believe it because if you were going to do anything that's what you would have done. angus i agree. there was a mass psychosis that we went through and anybody that questioned it or broke it were branded as covidiots . yes, branded as covidiots. yes, i think you were one of them, actually. yes. covid yes, i'm very proud . but are we going to very proud. but are we going to get an apology? because we look at the financial costs , we look at the financial costs, we look at the financial costs, we look at the financial costs, we look at the fraud, we look at the medical cost or we look at the mental health cost. we look at the educational cost to teenagers. we look at the huge damage to the elderly , many of damage to the elderly, many of whom have become very infirm as

a result of being locked down. is anybody ever going to say sorry? well, that's what the noun— sorry? well, that's what the body snoudd— sorry? well, that's what the inquiry should be.- 7 well, that's what the inquiry should be. it should be, you— inquiry should be. it should be, you know.— inquiry should be. it should be, you know. wny— inquiry should be. it should be, you know, why did— inquiry should be. it should be, you know, why did we do this? why— you know, why did we do this? wny wny— you know, why did we do this? wny wny do— you know, why did we do this? wny wny do we— you know, why did we do this? why why do we even think about onse— why why do we even think about rnrse wny— why why do we even think about rnrse wny dd— why why do we even think about this? why did we— why why do we even think about this? why did we not listen to the this? why did we not listen to we donge— this? why did we not listen to the large number— this? why did we not listen to the large number of voices like nysed— the large number of voices like nysed ond— the large number of voices like myself and those— the large number of voices like myself and those of the great bonnngron— myself and those of the great barrington declaration , which i barrington declaration, which i os— barrington declaration, which i r— barrington declaration, which i r rnrnk— barrington declaration, which i was? i think one— barrington declaration, which i was? i think one of the first sondddons— was? i think one of the first conditions, if— was? i think one of the first conditions, if you mention that on roseboob— conditions, if you mention that on facebook, you— conditions, if you mention that on facebook, you probably get suspended. — on facebook, you probably get suspended. that's- on facebook, you probably get suspended. rtrtr“ c rtrtr suspended. that's why i don't do facebook. but no, literally , facebook. but no, literally, reorde— facebook. but no, literally, beorde wno— facebook. but no, literally, people who were- t but no, literally, people who were talking about the people who were talking about we sneor— people who were talking about the great barrington declaration, a lot of doctors , declaration, a lot of doctors, nundneds— declaration, a lot of doctors, nundneds or— declaration, a lot of doctors, hundreds of doctors were rnwowed— hundreds of doctors were involved-that- hundreds of doctors were involved that declaration, involved with that declaration, werenr— involved with that declaration, r rneye — involved with that declaration, weren't they? t/rttfr trr'rttrt weren't they? yes, they were. and— weren't they? yes, they were. and r— weren't they? yes, they were. and r os— weren't they? yes, they were. and r wos-or— weren't they? yes, they were. and i was-of the- weren't they? yes, they were. and i was-of the first- and i was one of the first senior clinicians to sign up to it. senior clinicians to sign up to do. and— senior clinicians to sign up to do. and r— senior clinicians to sign up to do. and r gor— senior clinicians to sign up to it. and i got total— senior clinicians to sign up to it. and i got total abuse. in foss— it. and i got total abuse. in rosr.|wos— it. and i got total abuse. in fact,iwas the— it. and i got total abuse. in fact, was the abuse came from fact, i was the abuse came from door— fact, i was the abuse came from door nonsosk— fact, i was the abuse came from door nonsosk .— fact, i was the abuse came from matt hancock . i— fact, i was the abuse came from matt hancock . i mean, matt hancock. i mean, rensonody— matt hancock. i mean, personally, i- matt hancock. i mean, personally, i was not known for his personally, i was not known for nrs nedrsor— personally, i was not known for his medical expertise who snoured— his medical expertise who shouted me— his medical expertise who shouted me down when it was norsed— shouted me down when it was raised because— shouted me down when it was raised because i— shouted me down when it was raised because i wrote about it in one— raised because i wrote about it in we body— raised because i wrote about it in the daily mail— raised because i wrote about it in the daily mail .— raised because i wrote about it in the daily mail . and then they in the daily mail. and then they got in the daily mail. and then they gor on— in the daily mail. and then they got an opportunity to write who is dis— got an opportunity to write who is this petulant— got an opportunity to write who is this petulant fool ? i was is this petulant fool? i was rodrng— is this petulant fool? i was talking about?— is this petulant fool? i was

talking about? matt hancock . so talking about? matt hancock. so obwousdy— talking about? matt hancock. so obwousdy r— talking about? matt hancock. so obviously i was— talking about? matt hancock. so obviously i was not on the good books.— obviously i was not on the good books. bur— obviously i was not on the good books. bur we— obviously i was not on the good books, but we had— obviously i was not on the good books, but we had tried so hard rnnougn— books, but we had tried so hard through contacts— books, but we had tried so hard through contacts to tell the gowennnenr— through contacts to tell the government and the committees obour— government and the committees obour rnrs— government and the committees obour rnrs .— government and the committees about this . and— government and the committees about this . and i— government and the committees about this . and i couldn't about this. and i couldn't understand— about this. and i couldn't understand how sage gave the odwse— understand how sage gave the odwse rney— understand how sage gave the advice they did— understand how sage gave the advice they did .— understand how sage gave the advice they did . they were advice they did. they were driven— advice they did. they were dnwen by— advice they did. they were driven by neil— advice they did. they were driven by neil ferguson and his rnbenod— driven by neil ferguson and his rnbenod group— driven by neil ferguson and his imperial group with their ournogeous— imperial group with their outrageous modelling. the nodeddng— outrageous modelling. the nodeddng .— outrageous modelling. the modelling , the modelling which modelling, the modelling which as we now know,— modelling, the modelling which as we now know, only gave the wonsr— as we now know, only gave the worst case scenario. well, i can give— worst case scenario. well, i can give you— worst case scenario. well, i can gwe you wonsr— worst case scenario. well, i can give you worst case— worst case scenario. well, i can give you worst case scenario on onyrnrng.— give you worst case scenario on onyrnrng. n— give you worst case scenario on anything. it doesn't require nusn— anything. it doesn't require much insight.— anything. it doesn't require much insight. what we needed to know— much insight. what we needed to know os— much insight. what we needed to know rne— much insight. what we needed to know was the likely scenario wrrn. — know was the likely scenario wrrn. wron— know was the likely scenario with, with, with _ know was the likely scenario with, with, with a median range ond— with, with, with a median range ond wonk— with, with, with a median range and work within— with, with, with a median range and work within that because the reorde— and work within that because the beorde or— and work within that because the beorde or boge— and work within that because the people at sage 90t— and work within that because the people at sage got into this koskdown— people at sage got into this lockdown and _ people at sage got into this lockdown and masked everything. dow— lockdown and masked everything. dow r— lockdown and masked everything. dow r ongue— lockdown and masked everything. now i argue that— lockdown and masked everything. now i argue that the person who snowed— now i argue that the person who snowed ne— now i argue that the person who showed he had— now i argue that the person who showed he had some basic rnsdnsrs— showed he had some basic instincts at— showed he had some basic instincts at the— showed he had some basic instincts at the beginning was snns— instincts at the beginning was snns wnrrry. — instincts at the beginning was chris whitty. he— instincts at the beginning was chris whitty. he did say some of the chris whitty. he did say some of we ngnr— chris whitty. he did say some of the right things,— chris whitty. he did say some of the right things, but all of a sudden— the right things, but all of a sudden ne— the right things, but all of a sudden he became encompassed and ebose— sudden he became encompassed and ebose dr— sudden he became encompassed and ebose n by— sudden he became encompassed and embrace it by the— sudden he became encompassed and embrace it by the stockholm syndrome— embrace it by the stockholm syndrome has— embrace it by the stockholm syndrome has started talking. rne— syndrome has started talking. rne nubbrsn— syndrome has started talking. the rubbish that—

syndrome has started talking. the rubbish that they were, they rokkrng— the rubbish that they were, they were talking from _ the rubbish that they were, they were talking from the sage sonnrrree. — were talking from the sage committee. �*vw�*rt ”rt grtr “g were talking from the sage committee. grtr “g committee. we're going to learn very little from this inquiry that lady hallett's chairing because it won't get the final conclusions. and for three years, the important thing years, the most important thing is angus, you were right. is this angus, you were right. karol sikora was right and you stood up. you were actually quite brave, given the abuse that you got . if in the next that you got. if in the next year or two, another pandemic hits us, would the would the response from the british government and the media be different this time ? i would different this time? i would hope so . i fear it- different this time? i would hope so . i fear it may- rt �*7�*7t”rt“ c t“rt7 i would hope so . i fear it may well be hope so. i fear it may well be worse and worse— hope so. i fear it may well be worse and worse .— hope so. i fear it may well be worse and worse . worse. that is worse and worse. worse. that is besouse— worse and worse. worse. that is because cause they— worse and worse. worse. that is because cause they want to sign all because cause they want to sign od rne — because cause they want to sign od rne bowes— because cause they want to sign all the powers up— because cause they want to sign all the powers up to the who. as you— all the powers up to the who. as you know. — all the powers up to the who. as you know, this— all the powers up to the who. as you know, this is something rokked— as you know, this is something we've talked about before, the bondenrs— we've talked about before, the pandemic treaty. _ we've talked about before, the pandemic treaty. i think the pandemic treaty. i think the pandemic treaty. i think the pandemic treaty is one of the probably the greatest disaster aster that the government is facing because the who. would actually become a world

government if it could lock you all down. it will give everybody all down. it will give everybody o drgrrok— all down. it will give everybody a digital passport— t it will give everybody a digital passport and not nowng— a digital passport and not nowng n.— a digital passport and not having it. we're not having it. woune— having it. we're not having it. woune nor.— having it. we're not having it. woune nor. r— having it. we're not having it. you're not. i mean, we're not nowng— you're not. i mean, we're not nowng n. — you're not. i mean, we're not having it. angus,- you're not. i mean, we're not having it. ' g c rrtg having it. angus, it's a very powerful point to all of you at home. if like angus and myself, you fear this w.h.o. new pandemic treaty, and particularly given the government have said they're very keen on it because it won't affect our sovereignty, which is pretty much what they told us when we joined the eec, when you get opportunity, do have get an opportunity, do have a gentle chat with your member of parliament. please as now it's khan watch time. sadiq khan on the weather today because suddenly we've got lighter winds andifs suddenly we've got lighter winds and it's hot and sadiq khan was warning us about air pollution, although not air pollution, on the london underground and which according to him, is absolutely fine, which clearly is utter nonsense. but khan says because of this pollution, you should not use your car unless it's absolutely necessary. you should

make sure your car is not running an idling. you shouldn't burn any wood or garden waste . burn any wood or garden waste. and i'll make this prediction to you . we are within a few years you. we are within a few years of getting climate lockdowns . i of getting climate lockdowns. i mean it. there'll be days when you're told you cannot use your car by order of sadiq khan. i want him on the subject of sadiq khan. there are some terms now that staff in city hall cannot use . you must not call anybody use. you must not call anybody an illegal immigrant. no, no, no, no, no, no. that would to be offensive. but the one that i really find extraordinary is staff at city hall have been told that the terms male and female are dated and medicalized . i haven't got a blooming clue what that means. if anyone knows , can interpret it for me. please farage at gb news .com. what the hell is he on about? david lammy the shadow foreign secretary, has said overnight that a labour government in terms of foreign policy , he said

terms of foreign policy, he said the eu will be our priority. you have been warned they will try and take us back into the single market as quickly as they can and they can do it because the conservatives have absolutely dropped ball when it comes dropped the ball when it comes to getting rid of eu regulation in a moment, we'll cross to america . donald trump is america. donald trump is arriving at the courthouse in one hour and 20 minutes time. he will face a criminal trial . it's will face a criminal trial. it's the first time it's ever happened to a former president in the usa

well, the latest news is that donald trump is in custody at the miami courthouse and that the miami courthouse and that the trial will begin in an hour and 15 minutes. and we're showing you some live pictures of miami, of the media pack and of miami, of the media pack and of people outside that courtroom . um, as far as we know as yet,

there have been no violent protests . there are people protests. there are people turning up who are pro trump people turning up who are against trump. but just think about words. the 45th about those words. the 45th president of the united states of america is in custody, facing an hour and 15 minutes. a criminal trial. joining me down the line is christian wighton, a former senior adviser to donald trump. back in 2016 and 2017, christian, those words, i mean, it's quite extraordinary what's going on, isn't it? it is. it's unprecedented, as you mentioned. and it's just, you know, calls inro— and it's just, you know, calls rnro guesdon— and it's just, you know, calls into question for— and it's just, you know, calls into question for a lot of people-_ into question for a lot of beobke. rne— into question for a lot of people. the fairness and rudgenenr— people. the fairness and judgement of— people. the fairness and judgement of the judicial system to judgement of the judicial system ro go— judgement of the judicial system ro go onen— judgement of the judicial system to go after someone who's not r-usr— to go after someone who's not r-usr o— to go after someone who's not rusr o former— to go after someone who's not just a former president, but okso— just a former president, but okso o— just a former president, but also a candidate for president. adso— also a candidate for president. also currently— also a candidate for president. also currently the _ also a candidate for president. also currently the leading sondrdore— also currently the leading candidate for— also currently the leading candidate for president for one of candidate for president for one or our— candidate for president for one or rwo— candidate for president for one of our two major— candidate for president for one of our two major political ponies— of our two major political bondes .— of our two major political bondes . ond— of our two major political parties , and in- of our two major political parties , and in effect, is parties, and in effect, is rokrng— parties, and in effect, is rokrng owoy— parties, and in effect, is taking away from voters the obdrry— taking away from voters the obrdry ro — taking away from voters the ability to pass— taking away from voters the ability to pass judgement on

bonokd— ability to pass judgement on donald trump— ability to pass judgement on donald trump and what he is odegedky— donald trump and what he is allegedly done— donald trump and what he is allegedly done and whether he woukd— allegedly done and whether he woukd noke— allegedly done and whether he would make a— allegedly done and whether he would make a good president ogorn— would make a good president ogorn rn— would make a good president ogorn rn rne— would make a good president again in the future and putting it again in the future and putting n rn— again in the future and putting n in rne— again in the future and putting it in the hands— again in the future and putting it in the hands of— again in the future and putting it in the hands of judiciary, a very— it in the hands of judiciary, a very politicised_ it in the hands of judiciary, a very politicised judicial sonbonenr— very politicised judicial component of the executive bnonsn— component of the executive branch here. _ component of the executive branch here. t“ branch here. from what i can understand , christian, you know, understand, christian, you know, we're told that documents turned up were found at mike pence's house that documents were found in joe biden's basement, that that hillary clinton had all sorts of important data on her private email server that barack obama had some documents were told.i obama had some documents were told. i mean , please tell me told. i mean, please tell me whether this is right. but we're told that the difference is that when they were questioned , they when they were questioned, they gave the documents back and the accusation is that somehow trump tried to impede that process . tried to impede that process. well, hillary is in a little bit of well, hillary is in a little bit on o— well, hillary is in a little bit of a different— well, hillary is in a little bit of a different situation . i of a different situation. i mean, she wilfully kyrees this seenwn — mean, she wilfully kyrees this seenwn vou— mean, she wilfully kyrees this server. you know,— mean, she wilfully kyrees this server. you know, you're not neody— server. you know, you're not neody even— server. you know, you're not really even supposed to remove the really even supposed to remove rne sesnerony— really even supposed to remove the secretary of— really even supposed to remove the secretary of state. can take some classified _ the secretary of state. can take some classified documents home to some classified documents home ro neod— some classified documents home ro neod rne— some classified documents home to read the only— some classified documents home to read the only person in the ogensy— to read the only person in the ogensy wno-s— to read the only person in the agency who's allowed to do that. but agency who's allowed to do that. our sneodng— agency who's allowed to do that. our sneodng o— agency who's allowed to do that. but creating a server within her

none— but creating a server within her none dor— but creating a server within her home that was— but creating a server within her home that was separate from the us home that was separate from the us gowennnenr— home that was separate from the us government processed at us government that processed at top-information— us government that processed at top information and top secret information and a soregony— top secret information and a soregony or— top secret information and a soregony or rob— top secret information and a category of top secret called sensrdwe — category of top secret called sensitive compartmentalised rnronnodon— sensitive compartmentalised information .— sensitive compartmentalised information . i— sensitive compartmentalised information . i mean, that really information. i mean, that really beyond— information. i mean, that really was beyond the— information. i mean, that really was beyond the pale. it's in sonrnosr— was beyond the pale. it's in sonrnosr ro— was beyond the pale. it's in contrast to what— was beyond the pale. it's in contrast to what the what biden odegedky— contrast to what the what biden odegedky dd— contrast to what the what biden allegedly did do.— contrast to what the what biden allegedly did do. in fact , and allegedly did do. in fact, and wnor— allegedly did do. in fact, and wnor nense— allegedly did do. in fact, and what pence did,— allegedly did do. in fact, and what pence did, which is a node— what pence did, which is a little more— what pence did, which is a little more understandable, noybe— little more understandable, noybe nor— little more understandable, noybe nor os— little more understandable, maybe not as forgivable as their subbonens— maybe not as forgivable as their supporters would— maybe not as forgivable as their supporters would like you to bedewe— supporters would like you to bedewe .— supporters would like you to believe , but— supporters would like you to believe , but that the rush to believe, but that in the rush to get believe, but that in the rush to ger our— believe, but that in the rush to ger our on— believe, but that in the rush to get out of-white - believe, but that in the rush to get out of white house get out of the white house dunng— get out of the white house during transition, lot of get out of the white house duringets ransition, lot of get out of the white house duringets thrown n, lot of get out of the white house duringets thrown in lot of get out of the white house duringets thrown in boxesrf get out of the white house duringets thrown in boxes and stuff gets thrown in boxes and it's stuff gets thrown in boxes and us nor— stuff gets thrown in boxes and it's not carefully— stuff gets thrown in boxes and it's not carefully segregated our.— it's not carefully segregated our. n— it's not carefully segregated our. b you— it's not carefully segregated out. if you believe the allegation— out. if you believe the allegation .- out. if you believe the allegation . and that's all we allegation. and that's all we know— allegation. and that's all we know so— allegation. and that's all we know so for. — allegation. and that's all we know so far. the— allegation. and that's all we know so far. the actual allegations,— know so far. the actual allegations, trump has called rnrs— allegations, trump has called one o— allegations, trump has called one o wrrsn— allegations, trump has called this a witch hunt, but they nowen-r— this a witch hunt, but they haven't mounted. they haven't onesenred— haven't mounted. they haven't presented their— haven't mounted. they haven't presented their defence, nor wid— presented their defence, nor wrd rney— presented their defence, nor wrd rney non— presented their defence, nor will they for some time. but if you— will they for some time. but if you-rne— will they for some time. but if you the allegations, you believe the allegations, numb— you believe the allegations, rnunb—rnori you believe the allegations,- trump_that this trump did tell people that this is-classified_ trump did tell people that this is-classified .— trump did tell people that this is classified . that's is still classified. so that's going— is still classified. so that's gorngldrde— is still classified. so that's going little beyond beyond going a little bit beyond beyond wnor— going a little bit beyond beyond wnor nense— going a little bit beyond beyond what pence or— going a little bit beyond beyond what pence or biden have done. so what pence or biden have done. so onse— what pence or biden have done. so ogodn— what pence or biden have done. so once again, donald trump, you know— so once again, donald trump, you know .— so once again, donald trump, you know . rs— so once again, donald trump, you know , is probably— so once again, donald trump, you know , is probably being treated know, is probably being treated very— know, is probably being treated very unfou— know, is probably being treated very unfair fairly— know, is probably being treated very unfair fairly here. this is sodrng— very unfair fairly here. this is sodrng inro— very unfair fairly here. this is calling into question the sonsdry— calling into question the sonsdry .— calling into question the sonsdry . n— calling into question the sanctity , if you will, of our

sanctity, if you will, of our rudrsrok— sanctity, if you will, of our judicial system— sanctity, if you will, of our judicial system because of that sanctimonious._ judicial system because of that sanctimonious. but but he's also his sanctimonious. but but he's also nrs on— sanctimonious. but but he's also nrs wonsr— sanctimonious. but but he's also his own worst enemy in many woys— his own worst enemy in many woys. besouse— his own worst enemy in many ways, because if— his own worst enemy in many ways, because if what he did as odeged— ways, because if what he did as odeged rs— ways, because if what he did as alleged is true,— ways, because if what he did as alleged is true, it's— ways, because if what he did as alleged is true, it's kind of dumb.— alleged is true, it's kind of dunb. vou— alleged is true, it's kind of dumb. you know, you've worked wron— dumb. you know, you've worked wrrn nrn. — dumb. you know, you've worked with him. i've— dumb. you know, you've worked with him. i've known- dumb. you know, you've worked with him. t“ dumb. you know, you've worked with him. “ with him. i've known him for that period of time. i get on very well with him. i know that he's a warrior. i know that he's a fighter. i know that nothing ever stops him. the key question, christian, is , is to question, christian, is, is to date the other cases. civil cases haven't done him any harm at all. we know that the base won't believe a word of this. we'll see it as a politicised judiciary. we'll see it as an outrageous abuse of power coming directly from the white house. the question is what about those middle swing voters? do they say this is all just too much? we can't have a president that gets put through all of this? or do they say fair's fair? what's being done to him is wrong? isn't that what's going to decide the next presidential election ? i think yes, you're election? i think yes, you're ngnr. — election? i think yes, you're ngnr. bur— election? i think yes, you're ngnr. bur r— election? i think yes, you're right. but i think— t rtr“7 i think yes, you're right. but i think where it will

sorren— right. but i think where it will sorren subbon— right. but i think where it will soften support potentially is onong— soften support potentially is among republicans , some of whom among republicans, some of whom osruody— among republicans, some of whom osruody soy— among republicans, some of whom osruody soy rnor— among republicans, some of whom actually say that their first snorse — actually say that their first snorse gorng— actually say that their first choice going into 2024 and not nony— choice going into 2024 and not nony reorde— choice going into 2024 and not nony beorde one— choice going into 2024 and not many people are actually rosussed— many people are actually focussed on— many people are actually focussed on this election. it's sord— focussed on this election. it's sdd none— focussed on this election. it's still more than— focussed on this election. it's still more than a— focussed on this election. it's still more than a year away. t hey— still more than a year away. rney soy— still more than a year away. rney soy rnern— still more than a year away. they say their first choice is bonokd— they say their first choice is donald trump.— they say their first choice is donald trump. but then if you press— donald trump. but then if you press rnen— donald trump. but then if you press them-their- press them how hard their subbon— press them how hard their subbon rs.— press them how hard their support is, they'll say, support is, they'll quickly say, wed— support is, they'll quickly say, wed .— support is, they'll quickly say, wed . or— support is, they'll quickly say, well , of course— support is, they'll quickly say, well, of course i'd also support kon— well, of course i'd also support kon besonds— well, of course i'd also support ron desantis or— well, of course i'd also support ron desantis or someone else wno-s— ron desantis or someone else wno-s-roo.— ron desantis or someone else who's-too. and- ron desantis or someone else who's-too. and it's. ron desantis or someone else who's too. and it's that who's running too. and it's that son— who's running too. and it's that son-sorr— who's running too. and it's that sort-soft support— who's running too. and it's that sort soft support of trump sort of soft support of trump dor— sort of soft support of trump no r— sort of soft support of trump no r rnrnk— sort of soft support of trump that i think might erode because this that i think might erode because dds-bode— that i think might erode because this little different. the this is a little different. the snonges— this is a little different. the charges against— this is a little different. the charges against him levelled by this charges against him levelled by rnrs oggnesswe— charges against him levelled by this aggressive prosecutor in dew— this aggressive prosecutor in dew-dry.— this aggressive prosecutor in new-city, which- this aggressive prosecutor in new city, which seemed new york city, which seemed sonrdereky— new york city, which seemed sonrdereky-do- new york city, which seemed. completely-no-even completely bogus. no one even undensronds— completely bogus. no one even understands—he's. understands really what he's odegrng— understands really what he's alleging versus— understands really what he's alleging versus where it's alleging versus this, where it's alleging versus this, where it's o bode— alleging versus this, where it's o done more— alleging versus this, where it's a little more understandable. oh,— a little more understandable. on. be— a little more understandable. on. be rook— a little more understandable. oh, he took documents. and ossondrng— oh, he took documents. and according-the _ oh, he took documents. and according the allegations , he according to the allegations, he knew— according to the allegations, he knew-dese— according to the allegations, he knew these documents were knew that these documents were oneslbnobobky— knew that these documents were ones probably shouldn't ones he probably shouldn't have. you—people- ones he probably shouldn't have. you—beobke soy- ones he probably shouldn't have. you—people say this. you might have people say this guy is— you might have people say this guy is going— you might have people say this guy is going to_ you might have people say this guy is going to be— you might have people say this guy is going to be so distracted by—sose— guy is going to be so distracted by_case against- guy is going to be so distracted by case against him by a criminal case against him ond— by a criminal case against him ond-nunnrng— by a criminal case against him ond-nunnrng o— by a criminal case against him and running a campaign and and he's running a campaign and ne-s— and he's running a campaign and ne-s do.— and he's running a campaign and ne-s do. noybe— and he's running a campaign and he's 76. maybe we— and he's running a campaign and he's 76. maybe we should just go on so— he's 76. maybe we should just go on ro-nekr— he's 76. maybe we should just go on ro-nekr guy— he's 76. maybe we should just go on ro-nekr guy so— he's 76. maybe we should just go on to next guy so we won't on to the next guy so we won't know— on to the next guy so we won't know und— on to the next guy so we won't know until-the - on to the next guy so we won't know until the caucus in know until we have the caucus in rowo. — know until we have the caucus in rowo. .bnnony— know until we have the caucus in iowa. .primarleew- iowa. the primary in new nonbsnrne— iowa. the primary in new- hampshire _carolina. hampshire and south carolina. but hampshire and south carolina. bur—n— hampshire and south carolina. bur—n rnor- hampshire and south carolina. but—if that sort. hampshire and south carolina. but—if that sort of| but i do wonder if that sort of ssod—

but i do wonder if that sort of ssod or— but i do wonder if that sort of second of people— but i do wonder if that sort of second of people who are considering— second of people who are considering their second choices nrgnr— considering their second choices nrgnr sonsrden— considering their second choices might consider it— considering their second choices might consider it harder now. wed.— might consider it harder now. well,_litmus. well, that'll be the litmus resr. — well, that'll be the litmus resr. ireody— well, that'll be the litmus test. .really will. - well, that'll be the litmus test. ”rtrtccyr cc ' “rt test. it really will. and christian thank you very christian widen, thank you very much and much indeed forjoining us. and the latest news that we have is that trump is now actually in the courtroom. that's considerably than considerably earlier than i thought be. he's there thought he would be. he's there for arraignment hearing. so for his arraignment hearing. so it's all happening. it's all happening . it is quite happening. it is quite extraordinary whether he's made some clerical errors or not, i don't know. but as christian wighton said, what hillary clinton did was was far, far worse than anything trump may or may not have done . it's time for may not have done. it's time for batus the farage. i have a question coming in from a viewer in islington . why doesn't he in islington. why doesn't he srond— in islington. why doesn't he srond fon— in islington. why doesn't he stand for re—election- “ g“ why doesn't he stand for re—election ? i stand stand for re—election? i stand for re—election. _ stand for re—election? i stand for re—election. �*vw�*rtcc c“rt”rt for re—election. well, there's no european parliament to be re—elected to . and as far as the re—elected to. and as far as the british system is concerned, well, it's this desperate first past the post thing. so it's jolly difficult. but i'm not ruling it out, especially if brexit does come under direct

threat , which, brexit does come under direct threat, which, looking at what david lammy has said overnight, may . in one more may well happen. in one more coming up, another viewer from nodh coming up, another viewer from north london has a question for me. well paul has his view on brexit changed given the issue , brexit changed given the issue, as you know, that we've this country has faced since leaving? and, you know, a lot of the snor— and, you know, a lot of the issues that we're- and, you know, a lot of the issues that we're facing with going— issues that we're facing with gorng obnood— issues that we're facing with gorng obnood .— issues that we're facing with going abroad . and you know, going abroad. and you know, gerdng— going abroad. and you know, gerdng rnro— going abroad. and you know, getting into europe , no , not one getting into europe, no, not one bode— getting into europe, no, not one node bdr— getting into europe, no, not one done do rs— getting into europe, no, not one little bit is getting into europe— little bit is getting into europe more- little bit is getting into europe more difficult? �*vw�*rtcc �*7 europe more difficult? well, if you wont— europe more difficult? well, if you wont ro— europe more difficult? well, if you want to spend more than a few months there, yes, it is more difficult. but equally, the whole point of that was we were losing in this game with effectively having although you started we started to show passports and we weren't in in the schengen area, the fact is that many more people were coming into this country than than we were going into europe when it came to work. and when it came actually ultimately to using public services. so i think if it takes

you a few more seconds to organise a trip abroad, that is not a bad thing provided we keep our side of the bargain and control our borders. and that i guessis control our borders. and that i guess is what has been so, so disappointing. look, there are pros and cons with brexit. there are positives that we've seen , are positives that we've seen, but there are negatives and the biggest problem i think, is that for the millions that voted for it, wanted fewer it, they wanted fewer regulations fewer people regulations and fewer people coming . on that coming into britain. on that side it, tories have side of it, the tories have failed badly . side of it, the tories have failed badly. i always failed us rather badly. i always like to finish with those words before saying that i'm joined in the studio by sirjacob rees—mogg. i do enjoy doing this to you every evening . jacob it's to you every evening. jacob it's relentless. it's my little bit of teasing . it's fair enough. of teasing. it's fair enough. what have you got coming up today? we're going to be talking obour— today? we're going to be talking obour rnrs— today? we're going to be talking about this new— today? we're going to be talking about this new plan— t7 we're going to be talking about this new plan by the chancellor,— about this new plan by the chancellor, jeremy hunt, to make the chancellor, jeremy hunt, to make one gowennnenr— chancellor, jeremy hunt, to make the government more efficient. so_by- so which i'm delighted by because job a bit because i had this job for a bit and was going to get rid of and i was going to get rid of 91,000 civil servants. we had a plan in place with a hiatus of a few months. the government's

going again, which is going to do it again, which is terrific because currently we have servants, more have more civil servants, more government have more civil servants, more govern services. we've to public services. we've got to change that. one problem i've got change that. one problem i've gor wrrn— change that. one problem i've gor wrrn ons— change that. one problem i've got with this is— change that. one problem i've got with this is we— tg one problem i've got with this is we hear this son— got with this is we hear this sonlrnrng— got with this is we hear this sort .thing quite- got with this is we hear this sort thing quite regularly sort of thing quite regularly ond— sort of thing quite regularly ond by— sort of thing quite regularly ond by soyrng— sort of thing quite regularly and by saying it, people go, oh, jolly— and by saying it, people go, oh, jolly-know?- and by saying it, people go, oh, jolly-know? and- jolly good, you know? and the body— jolly good, you know? and the daily-editorials- jolly good, you know? and the daily editorials are daily mail editorials are marvellous— daily mail editorials are- marvellous-nothing marvellous and then nothing neody— marvellous and then nothing neody-nobbens. - marvellous and then nothing really happens. frances really ever happens. frances doude— really ever happens. frances doude-o— really ever happens. frances maude a brilliant job of it maude did a brilliant job of it in eonky— maude did a brilliant job of it in early cameron— maude did a brilliant job of it in early cameron and the civil sewrse— in early cameron and the civil senwse os— in early cameron and the civil service was shrunk significantly . n— service was shrunk significantly . n onen— service was shrunk significantly . it then expanded.— . it then expanded. unfortunately brexit was used as an excuse to expand it. covid was used excuse to expand it. and what i was trying to do was get it back to where it was in 2015, which 91,000 2015, which was 91,000 reduction. it's completely possible, perfectly reasonable on it. absolutely. on the face of it. absolutely. and we had a plan. unfortunately, government does. jeremy? hunt have jeremy? does jeremy hunt have the jeremy? does jeremy hunt have rne-do. — jeremy? does jeremy hunt have rne-do. r— jeremy? does jeremy hunt have rne-do. r nope- jeremy? does jeremy hunt have the-do. i hope so.- jeremy? does jeremy hunt have the do. i hope so. you the mettle to do. i hope so. you nope— the mettle to do. i hope so. you nobe sod— the mettle to do. i hope so. you nobe soe r— the mettle to do. i hope so. you nope soe r nope— the mettle to do. i hope so. you hope so? i hope so.— the mettle to do. i hope so. you hope so? i hope so. isn't it fascinating?— hope so? i hope so. isn't it fascinating? you- hope so? i hope so. isn't it fascinating? you know, you don't neody— fascinating? you know, you don't neody bedewe— fascinating? you know, you don't really believe-him.- fascinating? you know, you don't really believe him. jeremy is really believe in him. jeremy is no—rbrnk- really believe in him. jeremy is. no _think jeremy no fool. i actually think jeremy is capable, man, to be health secretary for six years or so , secretary for six years or so, and to do it competently is actually a remarkable achievement. that's one of the

hardest jobs in politics. a tough job. well, and he did it competently and kept the government out of messes and scandals. jacob, i hope you're right. so i hope you're right. he's as good a man as any to be. ihope he's as good a man as any to be. i hope you're right. i really do nope— i hope you're right. i really do nope youe— i hope you're right. i really do hope you're right.— i hope you're right. i really do hope you're right. it's very rnbononr.— hope you're right. it's very important. now, 545 crossed the snonnek— important. now, 545 crossed the donned-.— important. now, 545 crossed the snonnek-. zoo- important. now, 545 crossed the channel . 200 crossed important. now, 545 crossed the cha channel . 200 crossed important. now, 545 crossed the cha channel today.. 200 crossed important. now, 545 crossed the cha channel today. okay. crossed important. now, 545 crossed the cha channel today. okay. let'sed the channel today. okay. let's nove— the channel today. okay. let's nowe o— the channel today. okay. let's nowe o kook— the channel today. okay. let's have a look-see- the channel today. okay. let's have a look see how many have a look and see how many wid— have a look and see how many wrd some— have a look and see how many will come tomorrow evening. i'm dex— will come tomorrow evening. i'm dew beokrn. — will come tomorrow evening. i'm alex deakin. this— will come tomorrow evening. i'm alex deakin. this is— will come tomorrow evening. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. another sunny, very warm one. tomorrow another day where you and grass pollen levels are going to be high or very high. the pressure's high to the north of the uk. that's why the weather is by and large set fair. but we have again seen some thunderstorms still some thunderstorms and still some downpours rumbling well into downpours rumbling on well into the evening, potentially causing some further disruption across the west of scotland and the west of northern ireland, but fading and most places becoming dry and clear . fading and most places becoming dry and clear. the fading and most places becoming dry and clear . the easterly dry and clear. the easterly breeze bringing a fresher feel to the east overnight, a more comfortable night for sleeping.

but in the west, another sticky one, another warm, another humid one. temperatures holding up at 1617 celsius in towns and cities. so a difficult night for sleeping. another fine , very sleeping. another fine, very warm summer's day to come, though , for the vast majority on though, for the vast majority on wednesday day. the small chance of seeing a heavy shower breaking out, most likely over the highlands of scotland. but the highlands of scotland. but the vast majority are dry and sunny, may be a bit misty around some coasts. the easterly breeze making temperatures here in the low 20s . but for most places, low 20s. but for most places, temperatures a degree or so down on today's still getting on today's but still getting into to high 20s. pretty into the mid to high 20s. pretty widely still pretty warm day widely still a pretty warm day for the time of year. small chance of still the odd shower here and there breaking out late in the day , but most dry in the day, but most places dry and fine through wednesday evening and indeed into thursday may turn a little misty and murky in 1 or 2 spots. and always the possibility of some of that mist returning to the east with a bit an east coast with a bit of an easterly breeze here again on thursday, perhaps a shower breaking maybe even

breaking out, maybe even a thunderstorm here and there. but they'll pretty isolated. they'll be pretty isolated. the vast staying dry, sunny vast majority staying dry, sunny and pretty warm, although, again, temperatures just a degree or so down, but still in the mid 20s, pretty widely . so the mid 20s, pretty widely. so warm .

i'm polly middlehurst in the gp newsroom. and— i'm polly middlehurst in the gp newsroom. and the- i'm polly middlehurst in the gp newsroom. ' newsroom. and the top story today, police have confirmed that it was 219 year old students and a man in his 50s who were killed today in nottingham . two of the three nottingham. two of the three people killed today were first year students at the university of nottingham. one has been named by police barnaby named by police as barnaby webber, who was stabbed and died near students halls of near the students halls of residence in ilkeston road. police say they then found the body of a 50 year on body of a 50 year old man on nearby magdala road. police were then called to another street where stolen van had attempted

where a stolen van had attempted to run over three people. a home and security editor mark white has this update. counter—terror sonnond— has this update. counter—terror command are stepping- c. t counter—terror command are stepping back from this command are stepping back from one rnwesdng— command are stepping back from this investing nation. it will be un— this investing nation. it will be rudy— this investing nation. it will be run fully by— this investing nation. it will be run fully by nottinghamshire bodse— be run fully by nottinghamshire bodse .— be run fully by nottinghamshire bodse . ks— be run fully by nottinghamshire bodse . as for— be run fully by nottinghamshire police . as for the— be run fully by nottinghamshire police . as for the suspect, our police. as for the suspect, our sources are telling us that he is o— sources are telling us that he is o er— sources are telling us that he is o or yeon— sources are telling us that he is a 31 year old— sources are telling us that he is a 31 year old west african nrgnonr— is a 31 year old west african nrgnonr wrrn— is a 31 year old west african migrant with a— is a 31 year old west african migrant with a history of woensek — migrant with a history of violence. the— migrant with a history of violence. the authorities are nor— violence. the authorities are nor yer— violence. the authorities are not yet confirming this , but if not yet confirming this, but if due.— not yet confirming this, but if rnue. rnene — not yet confirming this, but if true, there will— not yet confirming this, but if true, there will be all kinds of guesdons— true, there will be all kinds of questions about— true, there will be all kinds of questions about this man's srorus— questions about this man's srorus ond— questions about this man's status and whether all the proper— status and whether all the proper checks _ status and whether all the proper checks were done before he proper checks were done before ne enrened— proper checks were done before he entered the— proper checks were done before he entered the country . �*vw�*rtcc he entered the country. well, dosdngbonn— he entered the country. well, nottingham is— he entered the country. well, nottingham is a city in mourning tonight. in fact , a vigil was tonight. in fact, a vigil was held at the central saint peter's church . students from peter's church. students from nottingham university laid flowers and lit candles and said students that we lost. i mean, i rnrnklond— students that we lost. i mean, i rnrnklond dr— students that we lost. i mean, i thinkland lit candles- students that we lost. i mean, i think rt“rt c c tt rt“rt rt flowers and lit candles and said prayers. one nottingham university student told gb news prayers. one nottingham university student told gb news earlier it could have happened earlier it could have happened to any of them at a sports club. to any of them at a sports club. rnrnk— we came down and wanted to pay we came down and wanted to pay our our we came down and wanted to pay nesbesrs— we came down and wanted to pay our respects fully— we came down and wanted to pay our respects fully to _ we came down and wanted to pay our respects fully to the we came down and wanted to pay nesbesrs— we came down and wanted to pay our respects fully— srudenrs— our respects fully to the students that - our respects fully to the students that we lost. i mean , i

students that we lost. i mean, i