very good morning. . very good morning. welcome— . very good morning. welcome to- . very good morning. welcome to the- very good morning. welcome to the point on gb i very good morning.— welcome to the point on gb news with— welcome to the point on gb news with me— welcome to the point on gb news with me bev— welcome to the point on gb news with me bev turner— welcome to the point on gb news with me bev turner and andrew pierce— with me bev turner and andrew pierce iiis— with me bev turner and andrew pierce this morning. ” pierce this morning. tributes, of course, are pouring in for the young victims of the nottingham attack. 219 year olds, the family of barnaby webber issued an webber has issued an extraordinarily moving statement saying and saying he was beautiful and brilliant and was thrilled to have made the university cricket team. they bereft team. they say they are bereft beyond belief. grace kumar was an ingiani— beyond belief. grace kumar was an england hockey— : grace kumar was an england hockey player. the governing— an england hockey player. the governing body— an england hockey player. the governing body of the sport has poig— governing body of the sport has paid monie— governing body of the sport has paid tribute, will— governing body of the sport has paid tribute, will be live in noiiingiiom— paid tribute, will be live in nottingham for— paid tribute, will be live in nottingham for the latest on the inveeiigoiioo— nottingham for the latest on the investigation and— nottingham for the latest on the investigation and the schofield eogo— investigation and the schofield eogo. —

investigation and the schofield eogo. iieooiing— investigation and the schofield saga. -reaching the- investigation and the schofield saga. g saga. it's reaching the house of commons today the boss commons today because the boss of carolyn has of itv, dame carolyn mccall, has been by they're been summoned by mps. they're going quiz her about what she going to quiz her about what she knew about the presenter's affair and whether they neglected their duty of care to a very young employee . we've a very young employee. we've also got emma webb- g we've also got emma webb and stephen pound— also got emma webb and stephen iouni oe— also got emma webb and stephen iouni going— also got emma webb and stephen pound are going to— also got emma webb and stephen pound are going to be in the eiuiio— pound are going to be in the eiuiio wiiii— pound are going to be in the studio with us— pound are going to be in the studio with us this morning to go iiiougii— studio with us this morning to go through some— studio with us this morning to go through some big stories of the go through some big stories of iiie goo.— go through some big stories of iiie ioy. iii— go through some big stories of the day. but first— go through some big stories of the day. but first of all, here is your— the day. but first of all, here is your new— the day. but first of all, here is your news with— the day. but first of all, here is your news with tatiana sonenez— is your news with tatiana sonenez .— is your news with tatiana sonenez . — is your news with tatiana sanchez . beth,- is your news with tatiana sanchez . is your news with tatiana sanchez. is your news with tatiana - sanchez . beth, thank you and sanchez. beth, thank you and good morning. this is the latest from the newsroom. vigils will be held for the victims of the stabbing and van attacks in nottingham which claimed three lives and injured three others. 19 year barnaby webber was 19 year old barnaby webber was killed along with grace coomber , who's been named locally. his family has said complete devastation isn't enough to describe their pain and loss over his senseless murder. a 31

year old suspect is still being questioned by police who were trying to establish a motive . a trying to establish a motive. a man in his 50s was also killed. the force believes his van was stolen and used to target other people . this is the scene on people. this is the scene on ilkeston road where there's still a police presence with a cordon set up around a home. it's one of a number of properties which has been raided and searched in the area . and searched in the area. officers are working with counter—terrorism police as part of their investigation. they've said they're keeping an open mind . itv's said they're keeping an open mind. itv's handling of complaints against phillip schofield is being questioned by mps ceo carolyn mccall is being asked about the broadcaster's approach to safeguarding employees. following the tv presenter's departure from this morning. he quit after admitting he had an affair with a young male colleague, which he described as unwise but not illegal. dame carolyn has

already written to the culture secretary, confirming itv has now instructed a barrister to carry out an external review . carry out an external review. stronger trade at bars , pubs and stronger trade at bars, pubs and shops has helped the economy return to growth. the latest figures show it expanded by 0.2% in april, recovering from a 0.3% fall. the previous month. the office for national statistics says the positive impact of improved hospital and retail spending was offset by industrial action hitting other sectors . chancellor jeremy hunt sectors. chancellor jeremy hunt has sectors. chancellorjeremy hunt has welcomed the data but admits more work needs to be done. today's figures confirm what the oecd said last week. the imf said last month— oecd said last week. the imf said last month the- o c") r: the imf said last month the bank of ingioni— said last month the bank of england themselves have said inor— england themselves have said we were— england themselves have said that there is— england themselves have said that there is underlying resilience— that there is underlying resilience in— that there is underlying resilience in the british eernonow— resilience in the british economy and- resilience in the british economy and of course that's noeiiiwe— economy and of course that's poeiriwe. nui— economy and of course that's positive. but we _ economy and of course that's positive. but we still have a big— positive. but we still have a big ieewe— positive. but we still have a big issue with— positive. but we still have a big issue with inflation. that is big issue with inflation. that ie ine— big issue with inflation. that is the number— big issue with inflation. that is the number one challenge we face. — is the number one challenge we face. we— is the number one challenge we roee. we nove— is the number one challenge we face. we have to— is the number one challenge we face. we have to do— is the number one challenge we face. we have to do everything we can as a government, as a connin— we can as a government, as a eowniw io— we can as a government, as a eownrw io ewooon— we can as a government, as a country to support the bank of

ingioni— country to support the bank of ingioni in— country to support the bank of england in their— country to support the bank of england in their mission, to egeee— england in their mission, to squeeze inflation out of the eweien. — squeeze inflation out of the eweren. ani— squeeze inflation out of the system. and that is our primary roewe— system. and that is our primary ioewe . — system. and that is our primary focus . thousands— system. and that is our primary focus . thousands of- system. and that is our primary focus . : \r focus. thousands of nhs appointments are being affected by a junior doctors strike in england. union members walk off the job this morning for 72 hours over an ongoing dispute . hours over an ongoing dispute. the medical. british medical association is asking for a full restoration of pay, which it says has seen a 26% cut. they've so far rejected a 5% offer . you so far rejected a 5% offer. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website at cbnnews.com. now it's back to andrew and . andrew and. bev for. well, we're going to go live to nottingham to our home and security editor mark white. mark, morning to you . we-we— mark white. mark, morning to you . we-we been— mark white. mark, morning to you . we've been digesting— vii" mark, morning to you . we've been digesting the how

mowing— . we've been digesting the how nowing ine— . we've been digesting the how moving the statement is from the roniiw— moving the statement is from the ioniiw or— moving the statement is from the family of barnaby.— moving the statement is from the family of barnaby. and of course we enowiin-i— family of barnaby. and of course we shouldn't forget the 52 year old we shouldn't forget the 52 year oii ven— we shouldn't forget the 52 year old van driver— we shouldn't forget the 52 year old van driver who was stabbed to old van driver who was stabbed io ieoin— old van driver who was stabbed io ieoin oe— old van driver who was stabbed to death as well.— old van driver who was stabbed to death as well. we don't have his to death as well. we don't have nie iieniiw— to death as well. we don't have his identity yet. _ to death as well. we don't have his identity yet. and of course, were— his identity yet. and of course, inere ore— his identity yet. and of course, there are still— his identity yet. and of course, there are still people in nonwor— there are still people in hospital, one- there are still people in hospital, one of them who is eriiieoiiw— hospital, one of them who is eriiieoiiw-o- hospital, one of them who is critically-a resulti critically injured as a result of critically injured as a result oi-eirwew— critically injured as a result oi-eirwew ow- critically injured as a result of struck by that van. of being struck by that van. wnoi-e— of being struck by that van. what's happening there now, iiorwe — what's happening there now, iiorwe wee.— what's happening there now, mark? yes, good- what's happening there now, mark? /ris g: g what's happening there now, mark? /rvis g: g is mark? yes, good morning. this time yesterday, of course, we were just absorbing the news coming in these very worrying reports from nottingham that certainly indicated that people had been stabbed and others run oven had been stabbed and others run over. but of course, in the fullness of time, the true reality of the devastating impact of these attacks is becoming known. and the two youngest victims, 19 years old, both of them just in their first year at university with their whole lives ahead of them. and the family already of one of the victims is barnaby webber. have

issued a statement just outlining the pain , the grief outlining the pain, the grief that they're going through or just read part of that statement to you. they say complete devastation is not enough to describe our pain and loss at the senseless murder of our son, barnaby philip john webber. he was a beautiful soul, brilliant, bright young man with everything in life to look forward to . a in life to look forward to. a talented and passionate cricketer who was over the moon to have made selection to his university cricket team. at 19, he was just at the start of his journey into adulthood and was developing into a wonderful young man. as parents, we are enormously proud of everything he achieved and all the plans he had made. his brother is bereft beyond belief, and at this time we ask for privacy as a family

to be allowed time to process and to grieve. absolutely understandable . and no doubt we understandable. and no doubt we will hear from the family of that other young student, grace , who was walking home with barnaby in the early hours of the morning, having attended the prism nightclub club, celebrating the end of their university year and looking forward to that graduation ball. of course, it was supposed to take place last night but was cancelled as a mark of respect and was still awaiting details and was still awaiting details and a name for the man in his 50s the third person who was stabbed to death in these horrific attacks . it's a little horrific attacks. it's a little earlier. i spoke to ross murphy , a local man here in nottingham , who had been just getting off a bus this very spot in the early hours of yesterday morning, heading to the gym

early in the morning when he actually heard the sound of that van crashing into those pedestrians who were at this spot. pedestrians who were at this spot . and he saw one of the most spot. and he saw one of the most seriously injured pedestrians . seriously injured pedestrians. this is what he told me. i came off the 36 bus about 50 yards that way . as i off the 36 bus about 50 yards that way. as i did, i heard a ioni— that way. as i did, i heard a iowi bong.— that way. as i did, i heard a iowi iong. i— as i did, i heard a loud bang. i thought nothing of it loud bang. i thought nothing of ii rearw— loud bang. i thought nothing of ii reoiiw .— loud bang. i thought nothing of ii really . ani— loud bang. i thought nothing of it really . and there's plenty of it really. and there's plenty of peonie— it really. and there's plenty of peopie oiowi— it really. and there's plenty of people about this time in the morning— people about this time in the morning ,— people about this time in the morning , i— people about this time in the morning , i walked towards morning, i walked towards weoonoii-e— morning, i walked towards mcdonald's for— morning, i walked towards mcdonald's for a quick coffee, as mcdonald's for a quick coffee, oe i— mcdonald's for a quick coffee, oe i wewoiiw— mcdonald's for a quick coffee, as i usually do— mcdonald's for a quick coffee, as i usually do to— mcdonald's for a quick coffee, as i usually do to before i go to as i usually do to before i go io ine— as i usually do to before i go o we gon— as i usually do to before i go o rne gwn .— as i usually do to before i go to the gym . and— as i usually do to before i go to the gym . and i saw somebody to the gym. and i saw somebody lying— to the gym. and i saw somebody wing non— to the gym. and i saw somebody wing noir ori— to the gym. and i saw somebody wing now off ,— to the gym. and i saw somebody lying half off , half— to the gym. and i saw somebody lying half off , half off the lying half off, half off the rowi— lying half off, half off the road oni— lying half off, half off the road and pavement opposite weoonoii-e— road and pavement opposite mcdonald's and— road and pavement opposite mcdonald's and still thought noining— mcdonald's and still thought noining oi— mcdonald's and still thought norning oi ii— mcdonald's and still thought nothing of it because there's a lot nothing of it because there's a ioi oi— nothing of it because there's a or or peopie— nothing of it because there's a lot of people like— nothing of it because there's a lot of people like beggars, eieeiero— lot of people like beggars, etcetera, in— lot of people like beggars, etcetera, in this area. in the morning— etcetera, in this area. in the morning i— etcetera, in this area. in the morning i thought somebody just ooiiooeeri— morning i thought somebody just collapsed. anyway, i went in weoonoii-e— collapsed. anyway, i went in mcdonald's and— collapsed. anyway, i went in

mcdonald's and nobody in there inowgni— mcdonald's and nobody in there inowgnr neon— mcdonald's and nobody in there thought much about it. and then oiowi— thought much about it. and then oiowi rive— thought much about it. and then about five minutes— thought much about it. and then about five minutes later, i ininw— about five minutes later, i inink ie— about five minutes later, i think is liam,— about five minutes later, i think is liam, one of the cleaners said,- think is liam, one of the cleaners said, there's been a hit cleaners said, there's been a nii oni— cleaners said, there's been a nii one run— cleaners said, there's been a nii one . — cleaners said, there's been a hit and run. and- cleaners said, there's been a hit and run. 'r: cleaners said, there's been a hit and run . ' r: ririr. hit and run. and of course, ross, at that point then realised something much more sinister was unfolding. this city clearly in shock at the events that unfolded in the early hours of yesterday. the suspect is still in police custody . he suspect is still in police custody. he being suspect is still in police custody . he being questioned by custody. he being questioned by detectives. he is a 31 year old gb news can reveal that he's a west african migrant who had been living in the uk for more than a decade and also that he is known to the police. any more than that, we don't really have details of , but that will details of, but that will obviously form the investigation as they go forward. counter—terrorism detectives were assisting nottinghamshire

police yesterday, but they have now taken a step back as there is no evidence at this point, apparently, that points to a terrorist motivation. but quite what the motivation was, we still don't know . all right. still don't know. all right. inoi-e— still don't know. all right. that's mark— still don't know. all right. that's mark white,- a cd" c all right. that's mark white, our home eeewriw. — that's mark white, our home security. we'll— that's mark white, our home security. we'll hear from him ioren— security. we'll hear from him ioien oi— security. we'll hear from him later, of course,— security. we'll hear from him later, of course, in the programme.- later, of course, in the programme. we were we were programme. we were we were reining— programme. we were we were talking yesterday, weren't we? neeowee— talking yesterday, weren't we? because we knew— talking yesterday, weren't we? because we knew the attacks had rook— because we knew the attacks had rook wooe— because we knew the attacks had rook piece-ine— because we knew the attacks had took place the heart of took place in the heart of eiwieni— took place in the heart of student land.— took place in the heart of student land. and even student land. and we even mentioned— student land. and we even mentioned that— student land. and we even mentioned that nightclub. yeah, wewere—- mentioned that nightclub. yeah,l we _were looking we did. we did. we were looking at torfaen, and we at the location torfaen, and we said they'd clearly been big said they'd clearly been a big student there. and to wake student night there. and to wake up morning to see these up this morning to see these pictures bucha, pictures of these bucha, beautiful people , it's so beautiful young people, it's so heartbreaking . barnaby weber, heartbreaking. barnaby weber, who's a cricketer , heading off who's a cricketer, heading off potentially in a semi—professional career and lovely grace kumar, who is also 19, top hockey player, hockey player, semi international hockey player. it's just heartbreaking . exactly the same heartbreaking. exactly the same age as my son. and there but for

the grace of god, go. any parents? yeah and we must nwein-i— parents? yeah and we must mustn't forget— parents? yeah and we must mustn't forget the - ”ii“ iv/rirsi" and we must mustn't forget the family of the van mustn't forget the family of the inver— mustn't forget the family of the van driver who _ mustn't forget the family of the van driver who was stabbed to teen— van driver who was stabbed to ieoin oni— van driver who was stabbed to ieoin one we— van driver who was stabbed to death and we wish. good, good eoo— death and we wish. good, good eoi eoeei— death and we wish. good, good god speed recovery to the three peooie— god speed recovery to the three peopie wno — god speed recovery to the three peopie wno ore— god speed recovery to the three people who are in— god speed recovery to the three people who are in hospital, one of people who are in hospital, one oi wnon— people who are in hospital, one oi wnon ie— people who are in hospital, one of whom is critically injured ieeowee— of whom is critically injured because the _ of whom is critically injured because the suspect drove his inro— because the suspect drove his van into them.— because the suspect drove his van into them. awful is van into them. awful let us know your— van into them. awful let us know your thoughts this morning. even if you just want to express your condolences because you were with for us 2.5 hours yesterday morning as we were covering this story, gb views at gb news .com is the email address. now, the home secretary— is the email address. now, the home secretary suella- c e�*ci: now, the home secretary suella braverman is home secretary suella braverman ie going— home secretary suella braverman ie going io— home secretary suella braverman ie going to appear— home secretary suella braverman is going to appear before the cornrnone— is going to appear before the commons home— is going to appear before the commons home affairs select conniiiee. — commons home affairs select committee. moment now. committee. any moment now. roriioneniow— committee. any moment now. parliamentary committee is enoirei— parliamentary committee is chaired labour's diana chaired by labour's diana ionneon— chaired by labour's diana johnson and— chaired by labour's diana johnson and they will quiz the none— johnson and they will quiz the home secretary— johnson and they will quiz the home secretary policing , home secretary on policing, oewiwn— home secretary on policing, oewiwn oni— home secretary on policing, asylum and immigration. o” asylum and immigration. of ire— asylum and immigration. of in o— asylum and immigration. of course, it's a big— asylum and immigration. of course, it's a big day- asylum and immigration. o” course, it's a big day for migration. the illegal migration bill will be back in the lords also today, our political reporter catherine forster joins us in the studio. will this us now in the studio. will this be an easy ride for suella braverman this morning, catherine, i don't imagine it

will. imean, catherine, i don't imagine it will. i mean, these select committees— will. i mean, these select committees are- it i mean, these select committees are cross party groupe— committees are cross party groupe-o— committees are cross party groups. a leaven in committees are cross party- groups.-a leaven in the groups. there's a leaven in the tone— groups. there's a leaven in the tone aiioire— groups. there's a leaven in the home affairs select committee , home affairs select committee, oni— home affairs select committee, one-toi— home affairs select committee, one-ion ie— home affairs select committee, one-ion ie io— home affairs select committee, and job is to basically and their job is to basically noni— and their job is to basically noii peopie— and their job is to basically hold people in— and their job is to basically hold people in government to oeeowni— hold people in government to account . what— hold people in government to account . what are you doing? how account. what are you doing? how are account. what are you doing? how wow— account. what are you doing? how you going— account. what are you doing? how you doing one— account. what are you doing? how are you doing and what are the successes? and— are you doing and what are the successes? and they tend to take no nonsense and— successes? and they tend to take no nonsense and take no prisoner . wow— no nonsense and take no prisoner . wow ire— no nonsense and take no prisoner . now it's chaired— no nonsense and take no prisoner . now it's chaired by— no nonsense and take no prisoner . now it's chaired by dame diana johnson— . now it's chaired by dame diana ionneon oni— . now it's chaired by dame diana johnson and people like labours, coroiwn— johnson and people like labours, carolyn worrie— johnson and people like labours, carolyn harris ,_ johnson and people like labours, carolyn harris , also carolyn harris, also conservatives such as marco iongni — conservatives such as marco iongni .— conservatives such as marco iongni , iepww— conservatives such as marco longhi , deputy chair of longhi, deputy chair of conserved— longhi, deputy chair of conserved lee anderson. but i mean, marco longhi has been wriiing— mean, marco longhi has been writing ioiow— mean, marco longhi has been writing today say— mean, marco longhi has been writing today say it's not the oi— writing today say it's not the oi oi— writing today say it's not the case at all that— writing today say it's not the case at all that the conservatives are going to sit gwieiiw— conservatives are going to sit gwieiiw oni— conservatives are going to sit gwieiiw one now— conservatives are going to sit quietly and play nicely. so it is quietly and play nicely. so it ie eioriing— quietly and play nicely. so it ie eioriing any— quietly and play nicely. so it is starting any minute now and oiwioweiw— is starting any minute now and obviously there'll_ is starting any minute now and obviously there'll be questions on events yesterday and i eweneei— on events yesterday and i eweoeei .— on events yesterday and i suspect , too,— on events yesterday and i suspect , too, a- on events yesterday and i suspect , too, a big focus on suspect, too, a big focus on iiiegoi— suspect, too, a big focus on illegal migration. 'r: suspect, too, a big focus on illegal migration. r: “sir: illegal migration. and we had the flippin prime minister telling us last week they were getting to grips with the cross—channel crossings because they were much lower. and then at the weekend we had a record number, i think yesterday another they haven't got

another 550. they haven't got a grip with it. of course, labour are resisting the stop the boats policy, but braverman has policy, but suella braverman has staked entire political staked her entire political authority getting this authority on getting this problem . and it ain't problem sorted. and it ain't sorted. certainly a huge sorted. no, certainly a huge amount of work to do . the amount of work to do. the illegal migration- amount of work to do. the illegal migration bill- ririr the illegal migration bill back in the illegal migration bill back in we wowee— illegal migration bill back in the house of— illegal migration bill back in the house of lords today, i ininw— the house of lords today, i inink ii-e— the house of lords today, i think it's on— the house of lords today, i think it's on its— the house of lords today, i think it's on its fifth day. ie— think it's on its fifth day. we or— think it's on its fifth day. it's at committee stage now, iiiin— it's at committee stage now, iiiin-nwi— it's at committee stage now, iiiin-nwi oe— it's at committee stage now, fifth - but as you - it's at committee stage now, fifth but as you say, it's fifth day. but as you say, it's onw— fifth day. but as you say, it's only iner— fifth day. but as you say, it's only we oer— fifth day. but as you say, it's only just over a— fifth day. but as you say, it's only just over a week ago since ieieni— only just over a week ago since ieieni senor— only just over a week ago since rishi sunak made— only just over a week ago since rishi sunak made a really big ieoi— rishi sunak made a really big ieoi oi— rishi sunak made a really big ieoi oi eowing— rishi sunak made a really big ieoi oi eowing .— rishi sunak made a really big deal of saying , look, we're deal of saying, look, we're beginning— deal of saying, look, we're beginning-turn- deal of saying, look, we're beginning turn the tide on beginning to turn the tide on inie— beginning to turn the tide on this because— beginning to turn the tide on this because of— beginning to turn the tide on this because of the weather. the nwrnerei— this because of the weather. the numbers are down— this because of the weather. the numbers are down significantly. ani— numbers are down significantly. ani inen— numbers are down significantly. ani inen oi— numbers are down significantly. and then, of course, on eoiwiow— and then, of course, on saturday, warm weather, calm we— saturday, warm weather, calm we nove— saturday, warm weather, calm seas. we have 616 people cross in i2— seas. we have 616 people cross in re enou— seas. we have 616 people cross in 12 small boats.— seas. we have 616 people cross in 12 small boats. that's a record— in 12 small boats. that's a eeori ion— in 12 small boats. that's a record for this— in 12 small boats. that's a record for this year. but oweroii— record for this year. but oweroii .— record for this year. but overall , all— record for this year. but overall , all there's now about overall, all there's now about 8500.— overall, all there's now about 8500. were— overall, all there's now about 8500. we're 618%_ overall, all there's now about 8500. we're 618% down on where we were a year ago.— 8500. we're 618% down on where we were a year ago. but, you know,— we were a year ago. but, you know, oe— we were a year ago. but, you know, as we've said, the weather ween-i— know, as we've said, the weather woen-i greoi— know, as we've said, the weather eni greoi ion— know, as we've said, the weather wasn't great for many months. i mean, we didn't— wasn't great for many months. i mean, we didn't really have much of mean, we didn't really have much oi o— mean, we didn't really have much oi o epring— mean, we didn't really have much oi o epring, iii— mean, we didn't really have much of a spring, did we?— mean, we didn't really have much of a spring, did we? so, i mean, inew-we— of a spring, did we? so, i mean, inew-we goi— of a spring, did we? so, i mean, sure, they've got the albania nwrnerei— sure, they've got the albania numbers down,— sure, they've got the albania numbers down, but really they're

going— numbers down, but really they're going io— numbers down, but really they're going to ioee— numbers down, but really they're going to ioee o— numbers down, but really they're going to face a huge battle geiiing— going to face a huge battle geiiing inie— going to face a huge battle getting this bill through. the iorie— getting this bill through. the lords .through- getting this bill through. the lords through the courts at lords and through the courts at the lords and through the courts at we wew— lords and through the courts at the very beginning of the bill. it the very beginning of the bill. ii ioee— the very beginning of the bill. it does state— the very beginning of the bill. it does state -a - the very beginning of the bill. it does state a lawyer view it does state that a lawyer view inor— it does state that a lawyer view we were— it does state that a lawyer view we noi— it does state that a lawyer view that we're not sure— it does state that a lawyer view that we're not sure here that inie— that we're not sure here that inie ie— that we're not sure here that inie ie iegoi— that we're not sure here that inie ie iegoi .— that we're not sure here that this is legal, but— that we're not sure here that this is legal, but the government are going to press oneoi— government are going to press oneoi wiri— government are going to press ahead with it— government are going to press ahead with it because of course it's ahead with it because of course we eiiii— ahead with it because of course it's still huge. _ ahead with it because of course it's still huge. it's— ahead with it because of course it's still huge. e cc it's still huge. it's still going through the courts. of course, the high court approved it. was it's now with the it. it was it's now with the appeal court and if the appeal court says it's okay, it court says it's okay, then it will probably up the will probably end up in the supreme well, rwanda supreme court. well, the rwanda plan,— supreme court. well, the rwanda pron—oi— supreme court. well, the rwanda pron—oi eowree- plan, yes, because, of course, ire— plan, yes, because, of course, ii-elweor— plan, yes, because, of course, ii-elweor einee— plan, yes, because, of course, it's year since people were it's a year since people were put— it's a year since people were our on— it's a year since people were our on o— it's a year since people were put on a flight,— it's a year since people were put on a flight, weren't they? ani— put on a flight, weren't they? ani inen— put on a flight, weren't they? and then they— put on a flight, weren't they? and then they were taken off one by and then they were taken off one iw-one.— and then they were taken off one iw-one. ine— and then they were taken off one by one. the government by 1—1 by one. the government are by 1—1 by one. the government reoiiw— by 1—1 by one. the government are really hoping— by 1—1 by one. the government are really hoping to that are really hoping to win that our.— out. finally, they're really noting— out. finally, they're really noting-ine- out. finally, they're really hoping this bill through. hoping to get this bill through. inew-re— hoping to get this bill through. they're rearw— hoping to get this bill through. they're really hoping that by sepienier— they're really hoping that by september they— they're really hoping that by september they can put people on pionee— september they can put people on nionee io— september they can put people on planes to rwanda _ september they can put people on planes to rwanda .— september they can put people on planes to rwanda . let's see. but planes to rwanda. let's see. but eerioiniw— planes to rwanda. let's see. but eerioiniw eono.— planes to rwanda. let's see. but certainly early. you— planes to rwanda. let's see. but certainly early. you know, rishi sinew— certainly early. you know, rishi swnow noe— certainly early. you know, rishi sunak has said— certainly early. you know, rishi sunak has said stop the boats. sweiio— sunak has said stop the boats. suella braverman— sunak has said stop the boats. suella braverman has come out wiri— suella braverman has come out wiin o— suella braverman has come out wiin o roi— suella braverman has come out wiin o ioi oi— suella braverman has come out with a lot of tough— suella braverman has come out with a lot of tough language. they— with a lot of tough language. inew ore— with a lot of tough language. they going— with a lot of tough language. they are doing many things. they nove— they are doing many things. they noweewrne-i— they are doing many things. they have returns agreement have got the returns agreement wiri— have got the returns agreement wiin aiionio— have got the returns agreement wiin aiionio .— have got the returns agreement with albania . they are making

with albania. they are making progreee— with albania. they are making some progress. but my goodness, wnoi— some progress. but my goodness, wnoi o— some progress. but my goodness, what a mountain— some progress. but my goodness, what a mountain they still have to what a mountain they still have io eiini. — what a mountain they still have to climb. yeah,— what a mountain they still have to climb. yeah, it's— what a mountain they still have to climb. iv/rirsi" e e e to climb. yeah, it's like it's like flipping everest infuriates voters. imagine in kent. voters. imagine living in kent. well it's such a it's such a pubuc well it's such a it's such a public illustration of us not having control of our borders, which is brexit was about brexit control of our money laws, borders. and, control of our money laws, borders . and, you know, it's so borders. and, you know, it's so wieiiie— borders. and, you know, it's so wieiiie .— borders. and, you know, it's so wieiiie , ien-i— borders. and, you know, it's so visible , isn't it?— borders. and, you know, it's so visible , isn't it? we— : and, you know, it's so visible , isn't it? we see day visible, isn't it? we see day oiier— visible, isn't it? we see day oiier tow— visible, isn't it? we see day after day these— visible, isn't it? we see day after day these people arriving oni— after day these people arriving and meanwhile,— after day these people arriving and meanwhile, you know, legal nigroiion— and meanwhile, you know, legal nigroiion we— and meanwhile, you know, legal migration was up— and meanwhile, you know, legal migration was up at, what, 700, 600,000.— migration was up at, what, 700, 600,000. again— migration was up at, what, 700, 600,000. again, another huge recon-i— 600,000. again, another huge recon-i so— 600,000. again, another huge record. so the— 600,000. again, another huge record. so the government, it's noi— record. so the government, it's noi inor— record. so the government, it's noi inoi iong— record. so the government, it's not that long till— record. so the government, it's not that long till a general eieeiion. — not that long till a general election. now— not that long till a general election. now labour are very good— election. now labour are very good or— election. now labour are very good at criticising. they may noi— good at criticising. they may noi nove— good at criticising. they may noi nowe onw— good at criticising. they may not have any more answers. were— not have any more answers. were goi— not have any more answers. were goi tier— not have any more answers. we've got just just- not have any more answers. we've got just just to - not have any more answers. we've got just just to interrupt you, catherine, we've got suella braverman who started to speak. let's to what let's have a listen to what she's to say, which allows she's going to say, which allows single individuals pay to single individuals to pay to advertise multiple women for prostitution are operating freely and openly. and i just wonierei— freely and openly. and i just wondered why— freely and openly. and i just wondered why it— freely and openly. and i just wondered why it is- faccc�*n' rsi�*r: and ijust wondered why it is that ”iris stir: and ijust wondered why it is that we nowen-i— wondered why it is that we haven't outlawed these types of pimping— haven't outlawed these types of pimping websites—

haven't outlawed these types of pimping websites. thank you, done— pimping websites. thank you, dame diana. before i answer, may i just take a moment to reiterate that the sympathies that you've expressed for those who were directly affected and more broadly affected by the grenfell tower tragedy ? and i grenfell tower tragedy? and i also want to echo the comments that i made yesterday about the tragic incident in nottingham. it wouldn't be appropriate for me to go into operation full details here. i made a statement yesterday, but we are it's obviously deeply , deeply obviously deeply, deeply shocking for the community motty in nottingham and the surrounding area and my thoughts are with the family and friends of those affected . i have to say of those affected. i have to say thatis of those affected. i have to say that is the first time i have personally heard of viva street. viva street and you're saying it's a on a website advertising prostitution services ? well

prostitution services? well i mean, what i what i would say is that we obviously have a very i'll turn to rachel and see if there's anything from officials. but we have a very this is a heinous practise. we need to ensure that the vulnerability of those involved is put first and foremost at the forefront of people on the front line . people on the front line. prostitution is very closely related to human trafficking , related to human trafficking, modern slavery, people smuggling and we obviously passed the landmark modern slavery act in 2015. and that puts into place a broad framework which is designed specifically to prevent vulnerable people to which you refer what you say. i'm just aware refer what you say. i'm just inor— refer what you say. i'm just aware that viva _ refer what you say. i'm just aware that viva street- ”ri�*ti" i'm just aware that viva street have met wiri— aware that viva street have met wiin wow— aware that viva street have met with your officials— aware that viva street have met with your officials in the home eiiiee— with your officials in the home eiiiee is— with your officials in the home office 15 times— with your officials in the home office 15 times in— with your officials in the home office 15 times in the last five wee— office 15 times in the last five we so— office 15 times in the last five years. so clearly— office 15 times in the last five years. so clearly your officials know— years. so clearly your officials know oiowi— years. so clearly your officials know about viva _ years. so clearly your officials know about viva street. and i'd oieo— know about viva street. and i'd oieo iner— know about viva street. and i'd oieo twei poini— know about viva street. and i'd also just point out— know about viva street. and i'd also just point out that there are also just point out that there nonw— also just point out that there are many countries in the world,

ineiwiing— are many countries in the world, including france,— are many countries in the world, including france, israel and the us, including france, israel and the us, inor— including france, israel and the us, we nove— including france, israel and the us, that have actually outlawed ineee— us, that have actually outlawed ineee-.— us, that have actually outlawed ineee-. so— us, that have actually outlawed ineee-. so i— us, that have actually outlawed these-. so ijust- these websites. so i just wondered,— these websites. so i just wondered, hearing that is your view— wondered, hearing that is your inor— wondered, hearing that is your view that actually we're quite eoii— view that actually we're quite eoii on — view that actually we're quite soft on allowing— view that actually we're quite soft on allowing these websites to soft on allowing these websites io eoniinwe — soft on allowing these websites to continue you— soft on allowing these websites to continue you compared to oiner— to continue you compared to other countries— to continue you compared to other countries in the world? war, — other countries in the world? wat, i— other countries in the world? wat, r en— other countries in the world? wat, i .— other countries in the world? well, i mean , i— other countries in the world? well, i mean , i think that when well, i mean, i think that when it well, i mean, i think that when ii eonee— well, i mean, i think that when ii io— well, i mean, i think that when it comes to adult— well, i mean, i think that when it comes to adult services weieiiee— it comes to adult services weieiiee .— it comes to adult services websites , law— it comes to adult services websites , law enforcement websites, law enforcement ogeneiee— websites, law enforcement ogeneiee oo— websites, law enforcement agencies do recognise that these weieiiee— agencies do recognise that these weieiiee oe— agencies do recognise that these websites are an— agencies do recognise that these websites are an enabler of eewoi— websites are an enabler of sexual exploitation . ' i sexual exploitation. an as i now.— sexual exploitation. an as i eoiri inew-re— sexual exploitation. an as i said, they're linked to trafficking and we are working closely with the online companies to ensure that awareness is raised so that they that criminal activity is does not occur . to be honest, this is not occur. to be honest, this is the first time i'm coming across this particular subject. unless officials can add anything, i'd rather reserve my position and write to you in more detail about this specific be helpful. i wanted to tell you about i just wanted to tell you about ine— i just wanted to tell you about this. actually. _ i just wanted to tell you about this. actually. i— i just wanted to tell you about this. actually. i had a look on ine— this. actually. i had a look on ine-weieiie— this. actually. i had a look on

the-website for- this. actually. i had a look on the website for hampshire the on the website for hampshire ,-gegeve_ the on the website for hampshire ,-begge ie— the on the website for hampshire ,-believe is the- the on the website for hampshire , believe is the county , which i believe is the county inor— , which i believe is the county inoi wow— , which i believe is the county that your constituency is based in. wow,— that your constituency is based in. wow, inere— that your constituency is based in. now, there were 297 prostitution _ in. now, there were 297 prostitution adverts live on vivo— prostitution adverts live on vivo erreei— prostitution adverts live on viva street yesterday . i had to viva street yesterday. i had to rook— viva street yesterday. i had to ioow oi— viva street yesterday. i had to look at about— viva street yesterday. i had to look at about 150— viva street yesterday. i had to look at about 150 of those and at look at about 150 of those and oi ieoei— look at about 150 of those and at least half— look at about 150 of those and at least half of— look at about 150 of those and at least half of them had oovene— at least half of them had ooverie oi— at least half of them had adverts of well, that was dame diono— adverts of well, that was dame diana johnson— adverts of well, that was dame diana johnson ,— adverts of well, that was dame diana johnson , the chairman of diana johnson, the chairman of the diana johnson, the chairman of we none— diana johnson, the chairman of the home affairs— diana johnson, the chairman of the home affairs select committee, _ the home affairs select committee, classically eonpieieiw— committee, classically completely missing the point. vow-ve— completely missing the point. wove-ine— completely missing the point. you've .the -secretary.j you've got the home secretary. i know prostitution an know prostitution is an important and important issue, richard, and aduu important issue, richard, and adult an important adult services are an important issue. but we want to hear from the home secretary about nottingham. also want to nottingham. but we also want to hear happening nottingham. but we also want to hear the happening nottingham. but we also want to hear the channeliappening nottingham. but we also want to hear the channel the ening nottingham. but we also want to hear the channel the failure across the channel the failure to sort out migration. well, i mean, truth is that the mean, the truth is that the government making progress government is making no progress whatsoever well over 8000 whatsoever over well over 8000 this year. well over 1100 inches the this year. well over 1100 inches ine ioei— this year. well over 1100 inches the last three _ this year. well over1100 inches the last three days— well over 1100 inches the last three days and rising inoi-e— the last three days and rising that's filled— the last three days and rising that's filled the— the last three days and rising that's filled the two barges inor— that's filled the two barges inoi senor— that's filled the two barges that sunak trumpet said that he had that sunak trumpet said that he not oegwireo— that sunak trumpet said that he had acquired just— that sunak trumpet said that he had acquired just last week. i ii-e— had acquired just last week. i mean, it's essentially at the nnrn,oeni— mean, it's essentially at the rnrn,oeni ii-e— mean, it's essentially at the moment, it's a— mean, it's essentially at the moment, it's a barge a day. that is moment, it's a barge a day. that ie ine— moment, it's a barge a day. that ie we reoiiiw— moment, it's a barge a day. that is the reality. and— moment, it's a barge a day. that is the reality. and they're mowing— is the reality. and they're nowing no— is the reality. and they're making no progress whatsoever. vow-ve— making no progress whatsoever. vow-ve goi— making no progress whatsoever. vow-ve goi o— making no progress whatsoever. you've got a house of lords that wonie— you've got a house of lords that wonie io— you've got a house of lords that wonie io eioo— you've got a house of lords that wants to stop it.— you've got a house of lords that wants to stop it. you've got a ioiowr—

wants to stop it. you've got a ioiowr nonw— wants to stop it. you've got a labour party that— wants to stop it. you've got a labour party that do labour party that won't do onwining.— labour party that won't do anything. this— labour party that won't do anything. this will only stop wnen— anything. this will only stop wnen wow— anything. this will only stop when you actually do what aweiroiio— when you actually do what australia-adopt- when you actually do what australia adopt and adapt australia did adopt and adapt ineir— australia did adopt and adapt their tactics. _ australia did adopt and adapt their tactics. you— australia did adopt and adapt their tactics. you have to eoieiw— their tactics. you have to eoieiw pion— their tactics. you have to eoieiw pick up— their tactics. you have to safely pick up and take back to irone— safely pick up and take back to none .— safely pick up and take back to none . ai— safely pick up and take back to france . at the _ safely pick up and take back to france . at the moment we've got france. at the moment we've got evoeiiw— france. at the moment we've got exoeiiw ine— france. at the moment we've got exactly the opposite where the rrenen — exactly the opposite where the french bought— exactly the opposite where the french bought the french navy . french bought the french navy. rowe— french bought the french navy. iowe ine— french bought the french navy. take the dinghies_ french bought the french navy. take the dinghies to the midline and take the dinghies to the midline ono nono— take the dinghies to the midline and hand them— take the dinghies to the midline and hand them over to uk border ioree— and hand them over to uk border ioree oni— and hand them over to uk border ioree one we— and hand them over to uk border force and we then— and hand them over to uk border force and we then deport them nere— force and we then deport them nere wiri— force and we then deport them here with with— force and we then deport them here with with our— force and we then deport them here with with our consent . so here with with our consent. so goi— here with with our consent. so goi ine— here with with our consent. so we've got the exact opposite of wnoi— we've got the exact opposite of wnoi neede— we've got the exact opposite of what needs to— we've got the exact opposite of what needs to be— we've got the exact opposite of what needs to be done. and the iriiien— what needs to be done. and the nriiien peopie— what needs to be done. and the british people are— what needs to be done. and the british people are fuming mad. the british people are fuming mad. ine iiiie— british people are fuming mad. the bills are— british people are fuming mad. the bills are going up. the anti—social— the bills are going up. the anti—social behaviour is going up, anti—social behaviour is going on ine— anti—social behaviour is going on we erog— anti—social behaviour is going up, the drug dealing is going up, the drug dealing is going on iowne— up, the drug dealing is going on iowne oni— up, the drug dealing is going up, towns and cities up and down the up, towns and cities up and down we eownirw— up, towns and cities up and down the country where _ up, towns and cities up and down the country where decent, oroinorw— the country where decent, ordinary people, you've got no gnoei— ordinary people, you've got no gnoei eireeie— ordinary people, you've got no ghost streets, you've got intimidate— ghost streets, you've got intimidate ,— ghost streets, you've got intimidate , then you've got intimidate, then you've got harassment.— intimidate, then you've got harassment. this is getting ii-e— harassment. this is getting worse. it's getting really serious. the— worse. it's getting really serious. the people are fuming . serious. the people are fuming. one— serious. the people are fuming. one oi— serious. the people are fuming. one oi ine— serious. the people are fuming. one of the biggest— serious. the people are fuming. one of the biggest hotels- serious. the people are fuming. one of the biggest hotels in my home town of swindon, richard, is filled with migrants filled with migrants . and that's that's with migrants. and that's that's denying when tourists can't come in and spend money because the hotels are the impact is

absolutely vast because , of absolutely vast because, of course, all the staff in these hotels get made redundant. yeah, they do. but we still ieorn— yeah, they do. but we still ieorn inor— yeah, they do. but we still learn that actually all of a ewooen— learn that actually all of a ewooen inew— learn that actually all of a sudden they still get cleaning. they— sudden they still get cleaning. inew gei— sudden they still get cleaning. they get accommodation . they they get accommodation. they eonoioin— they get accommodation. they complain about— they get accommodation. they complain about whether or not the complain about whether or not we wi—ri — complain about whether or not we wi—ri ie— complain about whether or not the wi—fi is good— complain about whether or not the wi—fi is good enough. i inie— the wi—fi is good enough. i mean, this is— the wi—fi is good enough. i mean, this is this is just wnoiiw— mean, this is this is just wholly unacceptable . the thing wholly unacceptable. the thing is, wholly unacceptable. the thing ie ine— wholly unacceptable. the thing is, the government could stop it if is, the government could stop it ii inew— is, the government could stop it ii inew noo— is, the government could stop it if they had some— is, the government could stop it if they had some courage, if new— if they had some courage, if inew noo— if they had some courage, if they had some— if they had some courage, if they had some leadership . �*" they had some leadership. but if inev— they had some leadership. but if inew eon-i— they had some leadership. but if they can't persuade— they had some leadership. but if they can't persuade france to take them back, they don't need to persuade france. just it's under existing _ : i just it's under existing international iow— under existing international iow. ine— under existing international law. the 1974— under existing international law. the 1974 safety of life at seo— law. the 1974 safety of life at seo aer— law. the 1974 safety of life at seo aer ,— law. the 1974 safety of life at seo aer , ine— law. the 1974 safety of life at sea act , the 1982— law. the 1974 safety of life at sea act , the 1982 un convention sea act, the 1982 un convention of sea act, the 1982 un convention oi iow— sea act, the 1982 un convention oi iow oi— sea act, the 1982 un convention oi iow oi see— sea act, the 1982 un convention of law at sea, there— sea act, the 1982 un convention of law at sea, there are provieione— of law at sea, there are provisions within that that iegoiiw— provisions within that that iegoiiw en— provisions within that that legally mean they could be pionee— legally mean they could be picked up— legally mean they could be picked no one— legally mean they could be picked up and safely returned to none— picked up and safely returned to ironee inew— picked up and safely returned to france. they won't— picked up and safely returned to france. they won't do it. they noven-i— france. they won't do it. they noven-i goi— france. they won't do it. they haven't got the— france. they won't do it. they haven't got the leadership. they noven-i— haven't got the leadership. they noven-i goi— haven't got the leadership. they noven-i goi ine— haven't got the leadership. they haven't got the courage and they noven-i— haven't got the courage and they noven-i goi— haven't got the courage and they noven-i goi ine— haven't got the courage and they haven't got the lawyers that ieiieve— haven't got the lawyers that ieiieve in. — haven't got the lawyers that believe in. it— haven't got the lawyers that believe in. it could be a game enongen— believe in. it could be a game changer, wouldn't— believe in. it could be a game changer, wouldn't it, if they iii— changer, wouldn't it, if they iii-eono— changer, wouldn't it, if they did-game-with. changer, wouldn't it, if they did-game-with in| changer, wouldn't it, if they. did-game-with in the did it? game over with in the election why then why election night. but why then why won't it? because they won't they do it? because they noven-i— won't they do it? because they noven-i-ine— won't they do it? because they haven't .the -within i

haven't got the lawyers within the haven't got the lawyers within ine none— haven't got the lawyers within the home -who - haven't got the lawyers within the home who believe in the home office who believe in the home office who believe in we eowee— the home office who believe in the cause. they've— the home office who believe in the cause. they've actually got exocr— the cause. they've actually got evoei oppoeiie— the cause. they've actually got exact opposite. they've got peopie— exact opposite. they've got peopieline— exact opposite. they've got people the office exact opposite. they've got- people .the -office trying people in the home office trying to people in the home office trying io ee— people in the home office trying io ine— people in the home office trying to sue the government, using iovpowere— to sue the government, using iovpowere-ieing- to sue the government, using taxpayers being paid taxpayers cash being paid a eoioriee— taxpayers cash being paid a eoioriee ow— taxpayers cash being paid a salaries by the— taxpayers cash being paid a salaries by the taxpayer to eonirooiei— salaries by the taxpayer to contradict the _ salaries by the taxpayer to contradict the policy of the eieeieo — contradict the policy of the elected representatives lives iron— elected representatives lives iron ine— elected representatives lives from the will— elected representatives lives from the will of— elected representatives lives from the will of the people wnien— from the will of the people wnien in— from the will of the people which in the _ from the will of the people which in the 2019 manifesto was to which in the 2019 manifesto was io reweeo— which in the 2019 manifesto was to reduce immigration numbers. ineieori— to reduce immigration numbers. instead, ine— to reduce immigration numbers. instead, the truth— to reduce immigration numbers. instead, the truth is, last weon— instead, the truth is, last weon i2— instead, the truth is, last year, 1.2 million people, additional— year, 1.2 million people, additional people came into this eownirw— additional people came into this country lawfully— additional people came into this country lawfully . _ additional people came into this country lawfully . iii . e country lawfully. the civil service— country lawfully. the civil service blob are running the country. they are. and that's ieee— country. they are. and that's because you've— country. they are. and that's because you've got- ririr. they are. and that's because you've got a weak governneni— because you've got a weak government that is utterly ioiiing. — government that is utterly ioiiing. inew— government that is utterly failing. they continue to say, wat,— failing. they continue to say, wat, weve— failing. they continue to say, well, we've got— failing. they continue to say, well, we've got the best civil service— well, we've got the best civil servieeline — well, we've got the best civil service the nonsense. service in the world. nonsense. we-ve— service in the world. nonsense. we-ve-civii— service in the world. nonsense. we've-civil service- service in the world. nonsense. we've civil service that we've got a civil service that is we've got a civil service that ie rwnning— we've got a civil service that is running riot— we've got a civil service that is running riot under weak ninieiere. — is running riot under weak ministers. lily— is running riot under weak ministers. lily livered ministers— ministers. lily livered ministers who are terrified ieee— ministers who are terrified ieee ii— ministers who are terrified because if they— ministers who are terrified because if they actually demand oeiion— because if they actually demand some action, they'll get they'll get oeeweeo— some action, they'll get they'll get accused of— some action, they'll get they'll get accused of bullying like poor— get accused of bullying like poor dominic— get accused of bullying like poor dominic raab. �*fvi�*ri poor dominic raab. we've got to ask poor dominic raab. we've got to oen wow.— poor dominic raab. we've got to ask you, though, richard tice has reform uk, your colleague nigel farage floated a very interesting idea. you read my mind? yeah. on gb news with

camilla tominey, our very fine colleague saying johnson colleague saying boris johnson is parliament. he's fed is out of parliament. he's fed up to the baptist with the tory leadership because there isn't much. could they work together ? much. could they work together? could boris johnson could you embrace boris johnson in your organisation as nigel quite said, in terms of, quite rightly said, in terms of, you know, we all battled for brexit. we've got the scars on nook— brexit. we've got the scars on took one— brexit. we've got the scars on our back and we— fiéiix e we've got the scars on our back and we want to make ewre-brewi— our back and we want to make ewre-irexii ie— our back and we want to make sure-brexit is a- our back and we want to make sure brexit is a massive, sure that brexit is a massive, massive success.— sure that brexit is a massive, massive success. it's still a greoi— massive success. it's still a great opportunity, but let's be eeoni— great opportunity, but let's be ieo inere— great opportunity, but let's be clear, there are— great opportunity, but let's be clear, there are also areas with none— clear, there are also areas with none wnere— clear, there are also areas with none wnere we— clear, there are also areas with boris where we have very eigniiieoni— boris where we have very significant differences of poiiew— significant differences of policyv ior— significant differences of policy, for example, over immigration— policy, for example, over immigration that we've just been ioiiing— immigration that we've just been ioiiing oiowi— immigration that we've just been talking about. for— immigration that we've just been talking about. for example, over the talking about. for example, over we ooneee— talking about. for example, over the madness of— talking about. for example, over the madness of net zero, which is the madness of net zero, which ie eenoing— the madness of net zero, which ie eenoing ow— the madness of net zero, which is sending our jobs and our is sending ourjobs and our nonew— is sending ourjobs and our money overseas— is sending ourjobs and our money overseas making bills money overseas and making bills reoiiw— money overseas and making bills reoiiw noni— money overseas and making bills reoiiw noro io— money overseas and making bills reoiiw none to pay— money overseas and making bills really hard to pay by ordinary ioii— really hard to pay by ordinary ioii wo— really hard to pay by ordinary ioii wo oni— really hard to pay by ordinary folk up and down the country. so were— folk up and down the country. so inere oe— folk up and down the country. so there are significant differences, but the unifying ioeior— differences, but the unifying ioeior ie— differences, but the unifying factor is that— differences, but the unifying factor is that brexit is a great opooriwniiw— factor is that brexit is a great opponwniiw. ire— factor is that brexit is a great opportunity. it's being wasted oni— opportunity. it's being wasted on ii— opportunity. it's being wasted on ii neeoe— opportunity. it's being wasted and it needs being sorted . �*" and it needs being sorted. so if he and it needs being sorted. so if no eoio— and it needs being sorted. so if no eoii ne— and it needs being sorted. so if he said he would— and it needs being sorted. so if he said he would come and join reform, you'd take him. we've got significant policy differences, we? have differences, haven't we? have you because i'm not sure what you? because i'm not sure what bons you? because i'm not sure what boris johnson as an individual

still represents. what you've just described as a conservative party. know, he's ipp, party. and as we know, he's ipp, isn't he? he'll blow in the wind depending on where the where the money lies. we money and the success lies. we don't quite know why he- we don't quite know why he became so don't quite know why he became eo pro— don't quite know why he became eo pro nei— don't quite know why he became eo pro nei ero— don't quite know why he became so pro net zero. well, he's but he so pro net zero. well, he's but ne iii.— so pro net zero. well, he's but ne iii. we— so pro net zero. well, he's but he did. he did.— so pro net zero. well, he's but he did. he did. he— so pro net zero. well, he's but he did. he did. he did eonoieieiw— he did. he did. he did completely his he did. he did. he did- completely-his position. completely move his position. vow— completely move his position. vow-,— completely move his position. vow-,-ii- completely move his position. vow-,-ii ne-e- completely move his position.| you-,-if he's able completely move his position.- you-,-if he's able to you know, maybe if he's able to reinveni— you know, maybe if he's able to reinvent himself— you know, maybe if he's able to reinvent himself then. so you viii— reinvent himself then. so you wiii ioie— reinvent himself then. so you will take him _ reinvent himself then. so you will take him on— reinvent himself then. so you will take him on the condition that changes. i'm saying that he changes. i'm saying we've that he changes. i'm saying goi— that he changes. i'm saying goi o— ig i'm saying we've got a significant policy differences— we've got a significant policy differences that— we've got a significant policy differences that he would have to differences that he would have io reeogrie— differences that he would have to recognise he's— differences that he would have to recognise he's badly to recognise he's got badly wrong— to recognise he's got badly wrong-oi- to recognise he's got badly wrong-of this. to recognise he's got badly wrong of this ipp wrong on behalf of this ipp inirigweo— wrong on behalf of this ipp inirigweo io— wrong on behalf of this ipp intrigued to who would be the ieooen— intrigued to who would be the leader, richard— intrigued to who would be the leader, richard tice, nigel roroge— leader, richard tice, nigel farage johnson? leader, richard tice, nigel farage me, johnson? leader, richard tice, nigel farage me, johns getting way goodness me, you're getting way oneoo—vow-re- ahead of yourself. you're going— ahead of yourself. you're getting way ahead yourself. getting way ahead of yourself. would straws? you would you draw straws? would you flip which you maybe flip a coin? which of you maybe three bonfire vanities. three bonfire of the vanities. right with the right there, richard, with the three you, maybe you'd be the three of you, maybe you'd be the independent of any such. you're getting way ahead i: s.rii you're getting way ahead yourselves. getting way ahead of yourselves. we-ve— we've got significant policy differences. _ differences. don't forget, as well, was london mayor, well, when he was london mayor, to utter amazement, he wanted to my utter amazement, he wanted an illegal migration an amnesty for illegal migration in couldn't believe an amnesty for illegal migration in which couldn't believe an amnesty for illegal migration in which reinforces't believe an amnesty for illegal migration in which reinforces theilieve it. which reinforces the significant difference that i refer because actually boris refer to because actually boris johnson government that johnson led a government that created a deliberate open border

, a visa program. it wasn't a eiiiieo— , a visa program. it wasn't a skilled workers— , a visa program. it wasn't a skilled workers visa- . g it wasn't a skilled workers visa program. it's skilled workers visa program. we iwei— skilled workers visa program. it's just created— skilled workers visa program. it's just created open borders. ano— it's just created open borders. one more— it's just created open borders. and that's why— it's just created open borders. and that's why last year, 1.2 niiiion— and that's why last year, 1.2 million people— and that's why last year, 1.2 million people lawfully came inro— million people lawfully came inio ine— million people lawfully came into the country. _ million people lawfully came into the country. it's the size of birmingham. _ into the country. it's the size of birmingham. �*" of birmingham. so if boris johnson does not, therefore align, align himself with the reform party , what do you want reform party, what do you want him to do ? look, boris is not him to do? look, boris is not going— him to do? look, boris is not going io— him to do? look, boris is not going to go— him to do? look, boris is not going to go owow— i r:rir7 look, boris is not going to go away quietly and iwei— going to go away quietly and we give— going to go away quietly and we giveliew— going to go away quietly and just give few speeches and just give a few speeches and moie— just give a few speeches and noie nonew— just give a few speeches and make money. he— just give a few speeches and make money. he might do that for a make money. he might do that for o in,— make money. he might do that for o in, owi— make money. he might do that for gig, iwi nee— make money. he might do that for a bit, but he's a— make money. he might do that for a bit, but he's a man who likes to a bit, but he's a man who likes io-ine— a bit, but he's a man who likes to-the limelight,- a bit, but he's a man who likes to the limelight, so you to be in the limelight, so you ion-i— to be in the limelight, so you ion-i-eeiiing- to be in the limelight, so you don't-setting up. don't want him setting up onoiner— don't want him setting up another though, do you? another party, though, do you? he another party, though, do you? we-iei-e— another party, though, do you? he-let's that's- another party, though, do you? he-let's that's too- another party, though, do you? he-let's that's too much| he won't. let's that's too much like is boris like boris johnson is boris johnson work that requires hard work really does. as you well know— work really does. as you well know i— work really does. as you well know i weii— work really does. as you well know i well know— work really does. as you well. know i well know-having know i well know having having been— know i well know having having teen—ii— know i well know having having teen—ii ie- know i well know having having been—it is not- been there done it it is not eoew— been there done it it is not eoew-ie— been there done it it is not eoew-iewnw. - been there done it it is not easy is why. is, i it. i been there done it it is not. easy-is why. which is been there done it it is not- easy-is why. which is why easy which is why. which is why it's so hard under the first past system for anybody past the post system for anybody other the main two parties. other than the main two parties. that's why we need proportional representation. okay richard, always you and always nice to see you and catherine forster. of course. thank you, catherine. right this is point on gb news is the point on gb news britain's up, britain's news channel. next up, the has the schofield scandal has reached westminster. stay with us. hear us. we're going to hear itv bosses live. they us. we're going to hear itv bosses live . they won't bosses grilled live. they won't be griiieo. —

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good morning and welcome to the roini— good morning and welcome to the row on— good morning and welcome to the row on en— good morning and welcome to the point on gb news.— good morning and welcome to the point on gb news. with me, andrew— point on gb news. with me, andrew pierce— point on gb news. with me, andrew pierce and bev turner. so andrew pierce and bev turner. so we— andrew pierce and bev turner. so we oer— andrew pierce and bev turner. so we are still— andrew pierce and bev turner. so we are still reflecting- andrew pierce and bev turner. so we are still reflecting on events of yesterday. of course, the family of barnaby webber say that he was beautiful and brilliant and thrilled to have made the university cricket team. they say they are bereft beyond belief after the murder

of the 19 year old. too painful for words. grace kumar was an ingiono— for words. grace kumar was an ingiono noeiew— : grace kumar was an england hockey player. the governing— england hockey player. the governing body of the sport has paid— governing body of the sport has poio iriiwie. — governing body of the sport has paid tribute. we're going to be iive— paid tribute. we're going to be iive in— paid tribute. we're going to be live in nottingham the live in nottingham for the ioieei— live in nottingham for the ioieei on— live in nottingham for the latest on the— live in nottingham for the latest on the investigation. of course,-we still- course, they still we still noven-i— course, they still we still haven't-the - course, they still we still haven't the identity course, they still we still haven't-the identity the haven't had the identity of the 52 haven't had the identity of the sz-von— haven't had the identity of the 52-van driver- haven't had the identity of the 52-van driver who - haven't had the identity of the 52 van driver who was 52 year old van driver who was oieo—oeoin- 52 year old van driver who was oieo—oeoin. - 52 year old van driver who was also—death . and. 52 year old van driver who was. also—death . and the also stabbed to death. and the senoiieii— also stabbed to death. and the schofield saga reaches westminster. the boss of itv will be grilled in the commons over what she knew about the presenter's affair. we're going to bring you that live . let us to bring you that live. let us know your thoughts this morning . gb views at gb news .com is the email address, of course. but first of all, here's your news with tatiana sanchez . news with tatiana sanchez. beth, thank you very much and good— beth, thank you very much and good morning.— beth, thank you very much and good morning. this is the latest iron— good morning. this is the latest iron ine— good morning. this is the latest from the newsroom. vigils will be neit— from the newsroom. vigils will be neio ior— from the newsroom. vigils will be held for the _ from the newsroom. vigils will be held for the victims of the eioiiing— be held for the victims of the eioiiing oni— be held for the victims of the stabbing and van— be held for the victims of the stabbing and van attacks in woiiingnon.— stabbing and van attacks in nottingham, claimed nottingham, which claimed three iivee— nottingham, which claimed three iivee-iniwreo— nottingham, which claimed three lives-injured three- nottingham, which claimed three lives injured three others. lives and injured three others. 19 lives and injured three others. re weor— lives and injured three others. re weor oie— lives and injured three others. 19 year old barnaby webber was iiiieo— 19 year old barnaby webber was iiiieo oiong— 19 year old barnaby webber was

killed along with— 19 year old barnaby webber was killed along with grace coomber .wno-e— killed along with grace coomber .wno-e ieen— killed along with grace coomber , who's been named locally. his ioniiw— , who's been named locally. his ioniiw noe— , who's been named locally. his family has said— , who's been named locally. his family has said complete devastation— family has said complete devastation isn't enough to oeeeriie — devastation isn't enough to describe their— devastation isn't enough to describe their pain and loss nie— describe their pain and loss over his senseless murder. a 31 weor— over his senseless murder. a 31 weor oio— over his senseless murder. a 31 year old suspect— over his senseless murder. a 31 year old suspect is— over his senseless murder. a 31 year old suspect is still being gweeiioneo— year old suspect is still being gweeiioneo ow— year old suspect is still being questioned by police who are irwing— questioned by police who are irwing io— questioned by police who are trying to establish a motive. a in— trying to establish a motive. a in nie— trying to establish a motive. a man in his 50s— trying to establish a motive. a man in his 50s was also killed one— man in his 50s was also killed one ine— man in his 50s was also killed and the force— man in his 50s was also killed and the force believes his van eioien— and the force believes his van was stolen and— and the force believes his van was stolen and used to target oiner— was stolen and used to target oiner reorie— was stolen and used to target oiner peopie .— other people. ii— other people. it wouldn't be one people-— it wouldn't be appropriate for me io— it wouldn't be appropriate for me io go— it wouldn't be appropriate for me to go inro— it wouldn't be appropriate for me to go into operation. final ieioiie— me to go into operation. final ieioiie nere. — me to go into operation. final details here. i— me to go into operation. final details here. i made a statement at yesterday, but we are it's obviously deeply , deeply obviously deeply, deeply shocking for the community in nottingham and the surrounding area. and my thoughts are with the family and friends of those affected . itv's handling of affected. itv's handling of eonpioinie— i: itv's handling of complaints against phillip senoiieio— complaints against phillip schofield is— complaints against phillip schofield is being questioned by irre— schofield is being questioned by we eio— schofield is being questioned by mps ceo carolyn— schofield is being questioned by mps ceo carolyn mccall is being oeieo— mps ceo carolyn mccall is being oeieo oiowi— mps ceo carolyn mccall is being asked about the _

mps ceo carolyn mccall is being asked about the broadcaster's opprooen— asked about the broadcaster's opprooen io— asked about the broadcaster's approach to safeguarding enpioweee— approach to safeguarding employees following the tv preeener-ie— employees following the tv presenter's departure from this morning. — presenter's departure from this morning. we— presenter's departure from this morning. he quit— presenter's departure from this morning. he quit after admitting he morning. he quit after admitting ne noo— morning. he quit after admitting ne not on— morning. he quit after admitting he had an affair— morning. he quit after admitting he had an affair with a young moie— he had an affair with a young male colleague,— he had an affair with a young male colleague, which he oeeeriieo— male colleague, which he described as— male colleague, which he described as unwise but not iiiegoi— described as unwise but not illegal. dame— described as unwise but not illegal. dame carolyn has oireoow— illegal. dame carolyn has already written to the culture eeereiorw— already written to the culture secretary, confirming itv has now instructed _ secretary, confirming itv has now instructed a— secretary, confirming itv has now instructed a barrister to eorrw— now instructed a barrister to eorrw owi— now instructed a barrister to eorrw owi on— now instructed a barrister to carry out an external review . carry out an external review. erronger— carry out an external review. stronger trade _ carry out an external review. stronger trade at— carry out an external review. stronger trade at bars , pubs and stronger trade at bars, pubs and enooe— stronger trade at bars, pubs and enone noe— stronger trade at bars, pubs and shops has helped— stronger trade at bars, pubs and shops has helped the economy ewrn— shops has helped the economy rewin io— shops has helped the economy return to growth.— shops has helped the economy return to growth. the latest iigwree— return to growth. the latest iigwree enow— return to growth. the latest figures show it— return to growth. the latest figures show it expanded by 0.2% in awni— figures show it expanded by 0.2% in april, recovering— figures show it expanded by 0.2% in april, recovering from a 0.3% ioii. — in april, recovering from a 0.3% ioii. ine— in april, recovering from a 0.3% fall. the previous— in april, recovering from a 0.3% fall. the previous month. the eiiiee— fall. the previous month. the eiiiee ior— fall. the previous month. the office for national statistics eowe— office for national statistics eowe ine — office for national statistics says the positive impact of introvert— says the positive impact of improved hospital and retail epenoing— improved hospital and retail epenoing oe— improved hospital and retail spending was offset by industrial— spending was offset by industrial action hitting other sectors. chancellor jeremy hunt sectors. chancellorjeremy hunt noe— sectors. chancellorjeremy hunt noeweieoneo— sectors. chancellorjeremy hunt has welcomed the— sectors. chancellorjeremy hunt has welcomed the data, but he ooniie— has welcomed the data, but he ooniie none— has welcomed the data, but he admits more work— has welcomed the data, but he admits more work needs to be done— admits more work needs to be done . — admits more work needs to be done . ioiow-e— admits more work needs to be done . : giris admits more work needs to be done . : �*" g. ririri done. today's figures confirm what the oecd said last week. the imf said last month the bank of england themselves have said that there is underlying

resilience in the british economy and of course that's positive . but we still have positive. but we still have a big issue with inflation. that is the number one challenge we face. we have to do everything we can as a government and as a country to support the bank of england in their mission to squeeze inflation out of the system . and that is our primary system. and that is our primary focus . what are we going to take focus. what are we going to take you live now? we're going to io— you live now? we're going to io ine— you live now? we're going to cross to the itv— you live now? we're going to cross to the itv boss,- a 7 we're going to cross to the itv boss, carolyn weeoii— cross to the itv boss, carolyn mccall, who's— cross to the itv boss, carolyn mccall, who's being questioned by iiie— mccall, who's being questioned by we . — mccall, who's being questioned by wire. ine— mccall, who's being questioned by mps . mccall, who's being questioned by mps. mccall, who's being questioned by mps . crsii by mps. the rumours. can i just ask you from your vantage point, ask you from your vantage point, as the chief executive of at itv, do you class yourself in the in the category of the vast majority of people who seem to know what was going on? or are you telling us that everyone else knew what was going on, but somehow you and perhaps holly willoughby were the only ones who did not know ? yes, chair, if who did not know? yes, chair, if you who did not know? yes, chair, if wow ion-i— who did not know? yes, chair, if wow ion-i nine.— who did not know? yes, chair, if you don't mind, i'd— who did not know? yes, chair, if you don't mind, i'd just- r: r: 7 yes, chair, if you don't mind, i'd just like to say— you don't mind, i'd just like to eow inoni— you don't mind, i'd just like to eow inoni wow— you don't mind, i'd just like to say thank you very much for

inviiing— say thank you very much for inviiing ne— say thank you very much for inviting me in— say thank you very much for inviting me in here. and my eoiieogwee— inviting me in here. and my colleagues. we've taken these issues extremely _ colleagues. we've taken these issues extremely seriously. as i none— issues extremely seriously. as i nope wow— issues extremely seriously. as i nope wow know— issues extremely seriously. as i nope wow inow .— issues extremely seriously. as i hope you know , we're hope you know, we're particularly- hope you know, we're particularly glad that we're ioiiing— particularly glad that we're talking about— particularly glad that we're talking about duty of care in some detail.— talking about duty of care in some detail. we— talking about duty of care in some detail. we look forward to riot— some detail. we look forward to inoi. ano— some detail. we look forward to inoi. ano ow— some detail. we look forward to that. and our culture in every eonponw— that. and our culture in every eonponw i-ve— that. and our culture in every company i've ever— that. and our culture in every company i've ever worked for , company i've ever worked for, one— company i've ever worked for, one iiie— company i've ever worked for, one inie ie— company i've ever worked for, one inie ie nw— company i've ever worked for, and this is my track record. i-ve— and this is my track record. he owi— and this is my track record. he owi peopie— and this is my track record. i've put people at the centre oni— i've put people at the centre on i-ve— i've put people at the centre and i've always— i've put people at the centre and i've always treated people weii— and i've always treated people weii .— and i've always treated people weii. i-ve— and i've always treated people well . i've always— and i've always treated people well . i've always wanted people well. i've always wanted people to well. i've always wanted people io eoe— well. i've always wanted people io inro— well. i've always wanted people to come into a— well. i've always wanted people to come into a place where they ieei— to come into a place where they feel comfortable _ to come into a place where they feel comfortable ,— to come into a place where they feel comfortable , where they can feel comfortable, where they can eoeoi— feel comfortable, where they can epeoi wn— feel comfortable, where they can epeoi wn wnere— feel comfortable, where they can speak up, where they can speak out:— speak up, where they can speak owi. wnere— speak up, where they can speak out, where they— speak up, where they can speak out, where they can be themselves,— out, where they can be themselves, and where they're happy— themselves, and where they're happy to_ themselves, and where they're happy to eoe— themselves, and where they're happy to come work. we see happy to come to work. we see oi— happy to come to work. we see oi ine— happy to come to work. we see one of the reasons— happy to come to work. we see one of the reasons we asked the io— one of the reasons we asked the io in— one of the reasons we asked the case to come in and— one of the reasons we asked the case to come in and look at iiie— case to come in and look at inie ine— case to come in and look at this, the whole— case to come in and look at this, the whole thing is because we wiii— this, the whole thing is because we wiii oiwowe— this, the whole thing is because we will always is— this, the whole thing is because we will always is want to learn to we will always is want to learn io iieien— we will always is want to learn io iieien io— we will always is want to learn to listen, to act.— we will always is want to learn to listen, to act. so— we will always is want to learn to listen, to act. so whatever eergee— to listen, to act. so whatever eergee iron— to listen, to act. so whatever emerges from the— to listen, to act. so whatever emerges from the case inquiry , emerges from the case inquiry, we viii— emerges from the case inquiry, we wiii ieorn— emerges from the case inquiry, we will learn from _ emerges from the case inquiry, we will learn from it because inere— we will learn from it because inere wiii— we will learn from it because there will be— we will learn from it because there will be lessons no organisation— there will be lessons no organisation can do anything perieeiiw— organisation can do anything perieeiiw oni— organisation can do anything perfectly and we certainly are not eowing— perfectly and we certainly are not eowing we— perfectly and we certainly are not saying we have . i think the not saying we have. i think the eoning— not saying we have. i think the eoning in— not saying we have. i think the case coming in kind of

demonstrates- case coming in kind of demonstrates our commitment to improving— demonstrates our commitment to improving oni— demonstrates our commitment to improving and involving everwining— improving and involving everything we do at all times . a everything we do at all times. a good— everything we do at all times. a good example— everything we do at all times. a good evonpie oi— everything we do at all times. a good example of that is actually a good example of that is actually o owiw— good example of that is actually o owiw oi— good example of that is actually o owiw oi ee— good example of that is actually a duty of care, where since zero.— a duty of care, where since zore. — a duty of care, where since 2018, since i— a duty of care, where since 2018, since i joined actually, one— 2018, since i joined actually, and we've reviewed it , we've and we've reviewed it, we've errengineneo— and we've reviewed it, we've strengthened it— and we've reviewed it, we've strengthened it significant , and strengthened it significant, and we wiii— strengthened it significant, and we wiii ioii— strengthened it significant, and we will talk about that in some oeioii— we will talk about that in some oeioii iooow. — we will talk about that in some detail today. another reason goee— detail today. another reason goeeio— detail today. another reason goee to wow— detail today. another reason goes to your point about what wno— goes to your point about what wno inew— goes to your point about what who knew what— goes to your point about what who knew what another reason for weieoning— who knew what another reason for weieoning iiie— who knew what another reason for welcoming this is— who knew what another reason for welcoming this is that there are nwge— welcoming this is that there are nwge iee— welcoming this is that there are huge numbers of— welcoming this is that there are huge numbers of opinions as inere-e— huge numbers of opinions as there's speculation , there's there's speculation, there's rumours, there's misinformation oiien— rumours, there's misinformation oiien owi— rumours, there's misinformation oiien owi inere. — rumours, there's misinformation often out there. and we look iorworo— often out there. and we look iorworo io— often out there. and we look forward to making clear the ioeie— forward to making clear the ioeie inor— forward to making clear the facts that we _ forward to making clear the facts that we know . so thank facts that we know. so thank wow. — facts that we know. so thank wow. agoin— facts that we know. so thank wow. agoin in— facts that we know. so thank you. again, i'm just going to go eiroigni— you. again, i'm just going to go eiroigni io— you. again, i'm just going to go straight to your— you. again, i'm just going to go straight to your question about the straight to your question about we eornrnon— straight to your question about the common theme and the people that the common theme and the people no nove— the common theme and the people no nove eoio— the common theme and the people that have said they— the common theme and the people that have said they knew would oniw— that have said they knew would oniw nove— that have said they knew would only have heard— that have said they knew would only have heard rumours about it. only have heard rumours about i. ii— only have heard rumours about i. ii onw— only have heard rumours about i. ii onw one— only have heard rumours about it. if any one of— only have heard rumours about it. if any one of the individuals- it. if any one of the individuals you have named or reiereneeo— individuals you have named or referenced had— individuals you have named or referenced had come to us and eoio— referenced had come to us and eoio inere— referenced had come to us and eoio inere ie— referenced had come to us and said there is evidence that were— said there is evidence that inere ie— said there is evidence that inere ie o— said there is evidence that there is a relationship between iniiiio— there is a relationship between phillip schofield _ there is a relationship between phillip schofield and person x,

we wowio— phillip schofield and person x, we would have— phillip schofield and person x, we would have with evidence. we wowio— we would have with evidence. we wowio nove— we would have with evidence. we would have been— we would have with evidence. we would have been able to launch a iornoi— would have been able to launch a formal investigation— would have been able to launch a formal investigation because the inioionee— formal investigation because the inioionee oi— formal investigation because the imbalance of power , the imbalance of power, the imbalance— imbalance of power, the imbalance in— imbalance of power, the imbalance in in in of dynamics in inor— imbalance in in in of dynamics in that relationship makes it oeeniw— in that relationship makes it deeply inappropriate. and we nove— deeply inappropriate. and we have policies— deeply inappropriate. and we have policies that say that very eieoriw. — have policies that say that very eieoriw. ano— have policies that say that very clearly. and so— have policies that say that very clearly. and so one— have policies that say that very clearly. and so one of the ininge— clearly. and so one of the ininge wow— clearly. and so one of the ininge wow i— clearly. and so one of the things you i hope will see me as we go— things you i hope will see me as we go inrowgn— things you i hope will see me as we go through this— things you i hope will see me as we go through this is that we worked— we go through this is that we worked verv— we go through this is that we worked verw .— we go through this is that we worked very , very hard for many worked very, very hard for many . nonw— worked very, very hard for many . nonw nonine— worked very, very hard for many , many months, in— worked very, very hard for many , many months, in fact, until reeeniiw— , many months, in fact, until reeeniiw io— , many months, in fact, until recently to ask— , many months, in fact, until recently to ask people, not just iniiio— recently to ask people, not just philip schofield _ recently to ask people, not just philip schofield and person x, but philip schofield and person x, iwi peopie— philip schofield and person x, iwi peopie in— philip schofield and person x, but people in production , if but people in production, if inew— but people in production, if inew noo— but people in production, if new not i— but people in production, if they had if they knew something was they had if they knew something going— they had if they knew something going on— they had if they knew something was going on and— they had if they knew something was going on and it was repeoieoiw— was going on and it was repeatedly denied by both individuals— repeatedly denied by both individuals ,— repeatedly denied by both individuals , but also no one in individuals, but also no one in the individuals, but also no one in we reon— individuals, but also no one in the team ever— individuals, but also no one in the team ever said there was onwining— the team ever said there was onwining inor— the team ever said there was anything that they could say . anything that they could say. ano— anything that they could say. one in— anything that they could say. one in ioei— anything that they could say. and in fact, most of them said, we ion-i— and in fact, most of them said, we ion-i know— and in fact, most of them said, we don't know what's going on. wnen— we don't know what's going on. wnen oio— we don't know what's going on. wnen iii wow— we don't know what's going on. when did you personally first

ieoe— when did you personally first become aware— when did you personally first become aware of— when did you personally first become aware of these rumours ? i become aware of these rumours? i reoiiw— become aware of these rumours? i reoiiw ieee— become aware of these rumours? i really became aware— become aware of these rumours? i really became aware of those rumours when philip came out . in rumours when philip came out. in reirworw— rumours when philip came out. in reirworw mo.— rumours when philip came out. in february 2020. that's when that is february 2020. that's when that ie ine— february 2020. that's when that ie we iirei— february 2020. that's when that is the first time— february 2020. that's when that is the first time things got reoiiw— is the first time things got really febrile— is the first time things got really febrile .— is the first time things got really febrile . social media was really febrile. social media was owoen— really febrile. social media was owoen wiin— really febrile. social media was owoen wiin .— really febrile. social media was owoen wiin . i— really febrile. social media was awash with , i mean some awash with, i mean some exireneiw— awash with, i mean some extremely nasty comments about iniiin— extremely nasty comments about pbilipr oe— extremely nasty comments about iniiin oe wow-o— extremely nasty comments about philip, as you'd expect, but oieo— philip, as you'd expect, but oieo iwei— philip, as you'd expect, but oieo iwei o— philip, as you'd expect, but also just a whole swathe of ininge— also just a whole swathe of things about— also just a whole swathe of things about him as a person and his, things about him as a person and nie wow— things about him as a person and he wow know— things about him as a person and he wow inow .— things about him as a person and his, you know , how— things about him as a person and his, you know , how just there his, you know, how just there o ior— his, you know, how just there o ioi oi— his, you know, how just there was a lot of speculation and rumour out there. so in february 2020— rumour out there. so in february 2020 ie— rumour out there. so in february 2020 ie wnen— rumour out there. so in february 2020 is when kevin— rumour out there. so in february 2020 is when kevin and i spoke oiowi— 2020 is when kevin and i spoke oiowi ii— 2020 is when kevin and i spoke oiowi ii .— 2020 is when kevin and i spoke oiowi ii . ano— 2020 is when kevin and i spoke about it . and we— 2020 is when kevin and i spoke about it . and we actually we about it. and we actually we oeiwoiiw— about it. and we actually we actually started _ about it. and we actually we actually started looking at it in december— actually started looking at it in december 2019. but it ramped up in december 2019. but it ramped wp eoneioeroiiw— in december 2019. but it ramped up considerably the kind of noie— up considerably the kind of owi— up considerably the kind of noise out there— up considerably the kind of noise out there ramped up in me.— noise out there ramped up in 2020. wnoi— noise out there ramped up in 2020. what you're basically eowing— 2020. what you're basically eowing ie— 2020. what you're basically eowing ie iiie— 2020. what you're basically saying is like the vast majority of saying is like the vast majority oi people— saying is like the vast majority of people within— saying is like the vast majority of people within itv, you were oi— of people within itv, you were oi ine — of people within itv, you were aware of the rumours about this reioiionenin— aware of the rumours about this reioiionenin .— aware of the rumours about this relationship, but— aware of the rumours about this relationship , but following relationship, but following investigation— relationship, but following investigation you that you were eorrieo— investigation you that you were

eorrieo owi— investigation you that you were carried out and— investigation you that you were carried out and the denials that you carried out and the denials that wow reeeiveo— carried out and the denials that you received from _ carried out and the denials that you received from all parties, you— you received from all parties, wow wee— you received from all parties, you were satisfied that the rumours were— you were satisfied that the rumours were entirely false. roieee— rumours were entirely false. roieee ie— rumours were entirely false. false? is that— rumours were entirely false. false? is that correct?- rumours were entirely false. false? is that correct? what i'm saying is that i don't know if it's the vast majority of itv you've named 3 or 3 people, i think high profile individuals who say they knew if they knew you, why didn't they say something to kevin ? kevin has something to kevin? kevin has conversations with— something to kevin? kevin has conversations with all- something to kevin? kevin has conversations with all of- ig i7 kevin has conversations with all of those pebble— conversations with all of those neopie oe— conversations with all of those people as talent,— conversations with all of those people as talent, all the time. so people as talent, all the time. so nwrneri— people as talent, all the time. so number one,— people as talent, all the time. so number one, i— people as talent, all the time. so number one, i don't know if ii-e— so number one, i don't know if we ine— so number one, i don't know if we we voei— so number one, i don't know if it's the vast majority of itv oeonie. — it's the vast majority of itv oeonie. i— it's the vast majority of itv oeonie. i ion-i— it's the vast majority of itv people. i don't accept that. ire— people. i don't accept that. it's certainly— people. i don't accept that. it's certainly doesn't feel like inor— it's certainly doesn't feel like in io— it's certainly doesn't feel like in io ne— it's certainly doesn't feel like in io ne .— it's certainly doesn't feel like that to me . right. the second that to me. right. the second ining— that to me. right. the second ining ie— that to me. right. the second ining ie in— that to me. right. the second thing is, in february 2020, it noni— thing is, in february 2020, it noro io— thing is, in february 2020, it was hard to miss— thing is, in february 2020, it was hard to miss the amount of coverage about— was hard to miss the amount of coverage about philip when he owi— coverage about philip when he came out . and— coverage about philip when he came out . and therefore, came out. and therefore, i oivioweiw— came out. and therefore, i obviously knew- came out. and therefore, i obviously knew in social media in poriiewior— obviously knew in social media in particular that— obviously knew in social media in particular that there was a nwge— in particular that there was a nwge ooni— in particular that there was a huge amount of— in particular that there was a huge amount of comment about him being— huge amount of comment about him being gow— huge amount of comment about him being gow. now— huge amount of comment about him being gow. now iong— huge amount of comment about him being gay. how long had he been gay ?— being gay. how long had he been gow i now— being gay. how long had he been gow i now iong— being gay. how long had he been gow i now iong noe— being gay. how long had he been gay ? how long has he lived a lie gay? how long has he lived a lie ? gay? how long has he lived a lie wow— gay? how long has he lived a lie evow know.— gay? how long has he lived a lie ? you know, there— gay? how long has he lived a lie ? you know, there were all sorts of ? you know, there were all sorts oi oeenreione— ? you know, there were all sorts of aspersions that— ? you know, there were all sorts of aspersions that crossed over to of aspersions that crossed over io nie— of aspersions that crossed over to his brother— of aspersions that crossed over to his brother .— of aspersions that crossed over to his brother . there was a lot to his brother. there was a lot of to his brother. there was a lot oi very— to his brother. there was a lot oi veryr verw—

to his brother. there was a lot of very, very horrible stuff out were — of very, very horrible stuff out were one — of very, very horrible stuff out were one i— of very, very horrible stuff out there. and i think— of very, very horrible stuff out there. and i think we said we need— there. and i think we said we need io— there. and i think we said we need io iwei— there. and i think we said we need to just establish whether iiie— need to just establish whether inie ie— need to just establish whether this is rumour— need to just establish whether this is rumour and speculation oni— this is rumour and speculation on noiieiowe— this is rumour and speculation and malicious or— this is rumour and speculation and malicious or whether there is and malicious or whether there ie eoneining— and malicious or whether there is something we— and malicious or whether there is something we need to worry oiowi— is something we need to worry oiowi nere. — is something we need to worry about here. and— is something we need to worry about here. ' ir: is something we need to worry about here. ir: g about here. and you were given reassurances by both parties that there was nothing to be concerned about. if it's all right concerned about. if it's all rigni wiri— concerned about. if it's all right with you, _ concerned about. if it's all right with you,.like- ..3 if it's all right with you, like kyla right with you, i'd like kyla iwio— right with you, i'd like kyla wwio ie— right with you, i'd like kyla now. kyla is not— right with you, i'd like kyla now. kyla is not just company eeereiorw— now. kyla is not just company eeereiorw. sne— now. kyla is not just company secretary. she also is director. sne— secretary. she also is director. sne ne— secretary. she also is director. she runs compliance and also whistleblowing_ she runs compliance and also whistleblowing in it. she's responsible— whistleblowing in it. she's responsible for— whistleblowing in it. she's responsible for those policies . responsible for those policies. i'd responsible for those policies. to iiie— responsible for those policies. to iiie we— responsible for those policies. i'd like us to— responsible for those policies. i'd like us to just— responsible for those policies. i'd like us to just go through ine— i'd like us to just go through ine eegene— i'd like us to just go through the sequence so— i'd like us to just go through the sequence so you can see what we oio— the sequence so you can see what we iii io— the sequence so you can see what we iii io ww— the sequence so you can see what we iii io irw oni— the sequence so you can see what we did to try and establish wneiner— we did to try and establish whether anything was going on. iwio— whether anything was going on. kyla eerioiniw— whether anything was going on. kyla certainly so— whether anything was going on. kyla certainly so .— whether anything was going on. kyla certainly so . we first kyla certainly so. we first reoiiw— kyla certainly so. we first really became _ kyla certainly so. we first really became aware that of some of really became aware that of some oi eneewioiion— really became aware that of some of speculation and— really became aware that of some of speculation and social media epeewioiion— of speculation and social media speculation, which— of speculation and social media speculation, which was triggered by a — speculation, which was triggered by o newenoner— speculation, which was triggered by a newspaper article on the oin— by a newspaper article on the ow oi— by a newspaper article on the 6th of december— by a newspaper article on the 6th of december 2019. ' ir: i 6th of december 2019. and in inor— 6th of december 2019. and in in oriieie— 6th of december 2019. and in that article there was a reference, it was it was an article with many allegations and a lot of commentary about

this morning and about the relationship between phil and holly and other presenters on that. holly and other presenters on that . but also there was that. but also there was a reference to a a phillip's pa and personal runner moving to a different program despite a previous close friendship with him. those were the words . and him. those were the words. and there was a huge amount of media speculation . our head of data speculation. our head of data team and our head of production on that day spoke to person x because he was being inundated by the press , by journalists by the press, by journalists contacting him , was aware of contacting him, was aware of social media, and they asked the question at that stage, is there any truth in this? is there anything that we need to know about a relationship with phillip schofield? and the answer was a categorical no. he was traumatised by the intrusion in his personal life, and our focus at that point then moved swiftly to duty of care for him and trying to make sure that we

could support him in whatever way, whatever ways were appropriate to handle the social media intrusion on his life . we media intrusion on his life. we conversations with him continued in january , and again , the focus in january, and again, the focus on duty of care, but also asking the question each time. so we had echr involvement . by this had echr involvement. by this stage, the head of production who has continued having dialogue with person x over the last three years at intervals is person x and our head of hr for daytime spoke to him on many occasions , focusing on his occasions, focusing on his welfare, but also using the opportunity motty to ask the questions . i think he was asked questions. i think he was asked the question 12 times and we have logs of the conversations that were had with him . at each that were had with him. at each stage he categoric he denied it . when philip came out on the 7th of february, i believe it

was in 2020. again a spike in social media comms tree. and again there were meetings with person x and questions with him in parallel at that stage. so previous conversations with phillip schofield and his agent , very direct conversations with his agent and that was kevin, who can talk to those who also our head of daytime and our editor in daytime. so at each stage we had various levels of management asking questions of both individuals. also with philip's agent and in addition, as caroline has mentioned , there as caroline has mentioned, there were various conversations with people on the production floor. our head of production asked people working on both this morning and loose women on who might have been closer to person x to try and establish whether any facts were they aware of any truth in this matter. and the answer at each stage was no. so we conducted all of those conversations at that time, no

one came forward with any evidence stray , straightforward, evidence stray, straightforward, categorical denials each time it was asked and conversations continued. also so in may this year , right up to the day when year, right up to the day when philip finally admitted that he'd been lying to us and at each stage denials . so, kevin, each stage denials. so, kevin, i don't know if you want to touch. yes, i, i wanted i first no, i inini— yes, i, i wanted i first no, i inini wnen— yes, i, i wanted i first no, i think when philip decided he wonieo— think when philip decided he wonieo io— think when philip decided he wanted to come— think when philip decided he wanted to come out . the agents wanted to come out. the agents oni— wanted to come out. the agents on iniiin— wanted to come out. the agents and philip simply— wanted to come out. the agents and philip simply contacted the neoo— and philip simply contacted the neoo oi— and philip simply contacted the head of daytime— and philip simply contacted the head of daytime and the producer of head of daytime and the producer oi ine— head of daytime and the producer of the programme. _ head of daytime and the producer of the programme. and he said, i won— of the programme. and he said, i woni i-ve— of the programme. and he said, i woni ive been— of the programme. and he said, i want i've been thinking about iiie— want i've been thinking about inie ior— want i've been thinking about inie ior o— want i've been thinking about this for a long— want i've been thinking about this for a long time. i want to owi— this for a long time. i want to come out on air— this for a long time. i want to come out on air and so that was eieeweeeei— come out on air and so that was discussed. and— come out on air and so that was discussed. and then— come out on air and so that was discussed. and then i think when inew-o— discussed. and then i think when inew-o noo— discussed. and then i think when inew-o noi inor— discussed. and then i think when they'd had that discussion, i eoiieo— they'd had that discussion, i was called about it saying inere-e— was called about it saying inere-e going— was called about it saying there's going to be a big thing tomorrow. what— there's going to be a big thing tomorrow. what do you think? i eoiei— tomorrow. what do you think? i eoiei weii— tomorrow. what do you think? i said, well, that's— tomorrow. what do you think? i said, well, that's what he wants to said, well, that's what he wants io oo. — said, well, that's what he wants io oo. eiow— said, well, that's what he wants io oo. eiow ii— said, well, that's what he wants to do. okay it philip presents the to do. okay it philip presents ine nrogronne— to do. okay it philip presents the programme monday to iiwreiowe— the programme monday to thursdays. he— the programme monday to thursdays. he doesn't do it

rrioow— thursdays. he doesn't do it rrioow ne. — thursdays. he doesn't do it rrioow ne. so— thursdays. he doesn't do it friday he. so this was on the inwreoow— friday he. so this was on the inwreoow oni— friday he. so this was on the thursday and he— friday he. so this was on the thursday and he came out the nevi— thursday and he came out the nevi oow— thursday and he came out the nevi oow wnen— thursday and he came out the next day when he— thursday and he came out the next day when he didn't have to. inen— next day when he didn't have to. inen eon— next day when he didn't have to. inen eori oi— next day when he didn't have to. then sort of present the entire nrogronne— then sort of present the entire nrogronne. so— then sort of present the entire programme. so he just it on programme. so he just did it on a programme. so he just did it on o enow— programme. so he just did it on o enow inor— programme. so he just did it on a show that he— programme. so he just did it on a show that he wasn't presenting inor— a show that he wasn't presenting in oow.— a show that he wasn't presenting in tow so— a show that he wasn't presenting in tow so i— a show that he wasn't presenting that day. so i went— a show that he wasn't presenting that day. so i went down the nevi— that day. so i went down the nevi morning— that day. so i went down the next morning to— that day. so i went down the next morning to ,— that day. so i went down the next morning to , to, to the next morning to, to, to the eiwoio— next morning to, to, to the eiwoio io— next morning to, to, to the studio to see— next morning to, to, to the studio to see philip, to see how he studio to see philip, to see how ne oe— studio to see philip, to see how ne oni— studio to see philip, to see how he was and everything. and there were various people around and, one— were various people around and, one we— were various people around and, and we discussed,— were various people around and, and we discussed, you know, it ne— and we discussed, you know, it ne ne— and we discussed, you know, it was he sure he was really ogiioieo— was he sure he was really agitated and— was he sure he was really agitated and nervous and i remember saying to him, look, you— remember saying to him, look, wow oon-i— remember saying to him, look, wow oon-i wow— remember saying to him, look, you don't you don't have to do iiie— you don't you don't have to do inie now— you don't you don't have to do inie ii— you don't you don't have to do this now if you— you don't you don't have to do this now if you don't want to. wow— this now if you don't want to. wow oon-i— this now if you don't want to. you don't have— this now if you don't want to. you don't have to— this now if you don't want to. you don't have to do it on tv if you— you don't have to do it on tv if wow oon-i— you don't have to do it on tv if wow oon-i woni— you don't have to do it on tv if you don't want to. _ you don't have to do it on tv if you don't want to. he said, no, iiie— you don't want to. he said, no, inie ie— you don't want to. he said, no, no, no. this is absolutely the way— no, no. this is absolutely the wow i— no, no. this is absolutely the wow i won— no, no. this is absolutely the wow i woni io— no, no. this is absolutely the way i want to do.— no, no. this is absolutely the way i want to do. i've been ininiing— way i want to do. i've been thinking about— way i want to do. i've been thinking about this. isn't thinking about this. this isn't a thinking about this. this isn't o ewooen— thinking about this. this isn't a sudden decision. i've been ioiiing— a sudden decision. i've been talking about— a sudden decision. i've been talking about with my talking about this with my ioniiw.— talking about this with my ioniiw-ie- talking about this with my family.-is-the family. i've this is just the nnrnoeni — family. i've this is just the moment. now— family. i've this is just the moment. now to do it. family. i've this is just the- moment. now-to do it. so moment. now i want to do it. so i moment. now i want to do it. so i eoiei— moment. now i want to do it. so i eoiei oiow— moment. now i want to do it. so i said, okay. then— moment. now i want to do it. so i said, okay. then there was a nrnoeni— i said, okay. then there was a moment when— i said, okay. then there was a moment when we— i said, okay. then there was a moment when we were alone again and moment when we were alone again one-wok.— moment when we were alone again one-iooi. innin— moment when we were alone again and look, philip, don't and i said, look, philip, don't worrw— and i said, look, philip, don't worn-iiv— and i said, look, philip, don't worry itv supporting you worry about itv supporting you inrowgn— worry about itv supporting you inrowgn inie. — worry about itv supporting you through this. it's— worry about itv supporting you through this. it's by us. through this. it's fine by us. if through this. it's fine by us. ii wow— through this. it's fine by us. ii wow woni— through this. it's fine by us. if you want to _ through this. it's fine by us. if you want to do this. what inowgn.— if you want to do this. what inowgn. ie— if you want to do this. what though, is there— if you want to do this. what though, is there that though, is there anything that you though, is there anything that wow-reu— though, is there anything that wow-ieii ne- though, is there anything that you tell me now? is you want to tell me now? is inere— you want to tell me now? is there anything— you want to tell me now? is there anything we know there anything we should know inor—

there anything we should know inoi—ori that that has prompted this or or inor— that that has prompted this or or inoi-woni— that that has prompted this or or that-want to- that that has prompted this or or that want to share with or that you want to share with us now? because— or that you want to share with us now? because it's fine, but we-oon-i— us now? because it's fine, but we-oon-i woni— us now? because it's fine, but we don't want suddenly we just don't want suddenly tomorrow-the— we just don't want suddenly tomorrow the next to hear tomorrow or the next day to hear eoneining— tomorrow or the next day to hear something-didn't— tomorrow or the next day to hear something didn't know about tomorrow or the next day to hear som being didn't know about tomorrow or the next day to hear som be blindsidedi't know about tomorrow or the next day to hear som be blindsided byknow about tomorrow or the next day to hear som be blindsided by it.ww about tomorrow or the next day to hear som be blindsided by it. andiout tomorrow or the next day to hear som be blindsided by it. and het and be blindsided by it. and he oieoiwieiw— and be blindsided by it. and he oieoiwieiw .— and be blindsided by it. and he absolutely , categorically said, absolutely, categorically said, no, absolutely, categorically said, no-noining— absolutely, categorically said, no-noining .- absolutely, categorically said, no, nothing . this is no, there's nothing. this is iwei— no, there's nothing. this is we o— no, there's nothing. this is we o nrivoie— no, there's nothing. this is just a private matter. and i won— just a private matter. and i woni io— just a private matter. and i woni io gei— just a private matter. and i want to get it— just a private matter. and i want to get it out there because in — want to get it out there because in mining— want to get it out there because i'm thinking about— want to get it out there because i'm thinking about it for so iong.— i'm thinking about it for so iong. so— i'm thinking about it for so iong. so inor— i'm thinking about it for so long. so that-it- i'm thinking about it for so long. so that it really . long. so that was it really. iron — long. so that was it really. iron wnoi— long. so that was it really. from what you're saying? i from what you're saying? i mean, it from what you're saying? i mean, i eownei— from what you're saying? i mean, i eownei iiie— from what you're saying? i mean, it sounds like it— from what you're saying? i mean, it sounds like it sounds to me like you regard the efforts that you went to chase this up as being adequate . and i'm not being adequate. and i'm not going to put words in your mouth. do you think that they were adequate ? do you think they were adequate? do you think they were adequate? do you think they were competent? what we think oiowi— were competent? what we think oiowi iiie— were competent? what we think oiowi inie ie— were competent? what we think about this is that— were competent? what we think about this is that just- about this is that just remember,- about this is that just remember, there's another very innorioni— remember, there's another very inoorioni iii— remember, there's another very important bit of— remember, there's another very important bit of the timeline, wnien— important bit of the timeline, wnien ie— important bit of the timeline, wnien ie on— important bit of the timeline, which is on march the 20th 18 or all which is on march the 20th 18 or oii iiv— which is on march the 20th 18 or all itv employees— which is on march the 20th 18 or all itv employees were sent home oeee— all itv employees were sent home because lockdown _ all itv employees were sent home because lockdown started . ' ir: because lockdown started. and so this wo— because lockdown started. and so this verv— because lockdown started. and so this was very close— because lockdown started. and so this was very close on— because lockdown started. and so this was very close on to march 2020. did i say 2018? march

20th, 20. so it's just quite important that because then this all stopped because there was no one was at work and actually person x was put on furlough for nine months. so it's just an important, important thing. and over that time i head of production had duty of care conversations with him, but but nothing else . so it's just nothing else. so it's just important in terms of the process we went through that it that it stopped in march for reasons of lockdown. what we would say now is that we had done we feel from a process perspective , but also from a perspective, but also from a human perspective . kyiv we asked human perspective. kyiv we asked multiple times of both individuals, both formally and informally . and so we felt that informally. and so we felt that was proportionate to what we had because we had no evidence, no one brought us anything tangible . well, either on the production floor or from the outside, there was only hearsay and rumour and

speculation. the other thing we would say is that we were very , would say is that we were very, very concerned about about the state of mind of both philip and person x. so philip was not in a good state, as kevin will tell you, when he came out , good state, as kevin will tell you, when he came out, very anxious, very worried , very anxious, very worried, very nervous, very worried about the social media backlash , all of social media backlash, all of those things. and person x could not really grasp the media intrusion that was so prevalent intrusion that was so prevalent in his life now. and so we had to balance how we asked questions and we did ask them formally. there were meetings. hr was present, so we did a balance of informal kind of, is there anything we need to know ? there anything we need to know? how can we help you to person x? how can we help you to person x? how can we help you to person x? how can we help you? what more do we need to know? you can do this confidential early. you can do this anonymously. you can talk to a counsellor. you know, just because we wanted make just because we wanted to make it easier for him because you're

not used to being in the press as often or in social media when you're in in that position . so you're in in that position. so we were very mindful of our kind of duty of care obligations. but just as a human being and not not making what was a very difficult situation for person x and actually also, philip, worse as it sounds to me, as if you're saying that the investigation was thorough and the decisions that you made were well found . that you made were well found. and chair, can i please just say it was not an investigation? i wouldn't qualify this as an investigation. i think this was a review. it was an ongoing review that that every time there were periods of intense speculation, we went in and asked more questions. but it was an ongoing review with the assertion then leading from that. be that if you could go ioei— that. be that if you could go ioei in— that. be that if you could go back in time— that. be that if you could go back in time and— be that if you could go back in time and do it all ogoin— back in time and do it all again, wow-o— back in time and do it all again, you'd do- back in time and do it all again, you'd do it exactly the wow— again, you'd do it exactly the wow oni— again, you'd do it exactly the same way and you would probably

nove— same way and you would probably nove reoeneo— same way and you would probably have reached the— same way and you would probably have reached the same conclusion. - have reached the same. conclusion. -that have reached the same- conclusion. -that if we conclusion. i think that if we had our time again, let's see, i'm hiding behind the case, i'm not hiding behind the case, but let's see what the case says is because that's one of the things we want to learn, which is, is there anything that we could done or spotted ? at could have done or spotted? at the moment, we can't see what thatis the moment, we can't see what that is because we did interview you both individuals, as i've said, but also other people . we said, but also other people. we have a very, very clear and loud speaking up policy. we really do. i mean, the vast majority of people, when they reply to surveys that we do on this, say that they feel confident that we will act if they speak up. that comes from a tangible , all comes from a tangible, all quantitative survey . so we have quantitative survey. so we have done and we can talk about our speak up policy later, our whistleblowing policy. so anybody at any time could have confidentially gone to our helpline. safecall it's completely anonymous. it's run by an external company. they could have at any time said something about this. we had

none of that . so therefore we none of that. so therefore we feel in the circumstances and with what we had that we had no legal reason to go any further with an investigation than if we'd had any evidence. we would have done a formal investigation. we had no evidence there was absolutely it's not in our interest in any way not to investigate something that we know has evidence to support it . you know, put it support it. you know, put it another way, had we gone into with no legal reason into a formal investigation, we would have caused a huge amount of damage. i think the mental health issues around , you know, health issues around, you know, the strain in certain mental health issues. let me just say, the psychological strain on x, etcetera , would have been would etcetera, would have been would have been quite intense . and so have been quite intense. and so we didn't have any legal grounds to do that . as far as you're to do that. as far as you're concerned, there's- ririr as far as you're concerned, there's no circumstances under which you eowio— circumstances under which you eowio poeeiiviw— circumstances under which you could possibly have an advertently_ could possibly have an

advertently or purposefully iwrneo— advertently or purposefully iwrneo o— advertently or purposefully turned a blind— advertently or purposefully turned a blind eye to some serious shortcomings at this morning— serious shortcomings at this morning because it was an inereoiiiw— morning because it was an incredibly commercially successful _ incredibly commercially successful programme. it's noining— successful programme. it's noining io— successful programme. it's nothing to do— successful programme. it's nothing to do with it being commercially— nothing to do with it being commercially successful . e commercially successful. it reoiiw.— commercially successful. it reoiiw. reoiiw— commercially successful. it really, really isn't. - commercially successful. it really, really isn't. i- commercially successful. it really, really isn't. i mean, all our shows are actually commercially successful. you could say that about every single one of our shows. there's could say that about every singat one of our shows. there's could say that about every singa showof our shows. there's could say that about every singa show in our shows. there's could say that about every singa show in itv shows. there's could say that about every singa show in itv because here's could say that about every singa show in itv because we're not a show in itv because we're a commercial. psb that is unsuccessful . so you say that is unsuccessful. so you say that is nothing to do commercial nothing to do with commercial success. it is entirely to do with how we were trying to look after people, but we were also trying to ask and we did ask questions repeatedly and continuously and were repeatedly told there was nothing happening. and i also said that as we see it today, our understand ing and are informed in so far is that we could not have done this differently. but if the case does say and recommend that in future we should do any aspects differently , we will listen, we

differently, we will listen, we will learn and we will act. but today and there were no nobody , today and there were no nobody, nobody would be turning a blind eye to something. it's not a blind eye. i mean, nobody here or on the management board would ever turn a blind eye to something as serious as this . something as serious as this. the only thing i would say in reeoneen io— the only thing i would say in response to that— the only thing i would say in response to that is surely wowre— response to that is surely you're aware that the same inioionee— you're aware that the same imbalance of— you're aware that the same imbalance of power that enabled mr imbalance of power that enabled iir senoiieio— imbalance of power that enabled mr schofield to— imbalance of power that enabled mr schofield to enter into what he mr schofield to enter into what ne eoiieo — mr schofield to enter into what he called inappropriate relationship— he called inappropriate relationship would also be in play— relationship would also be in niow ii— relationship would also be in niow ii ne— relationship would also be in niow ii ne oe— relationship would also be in play if he was seeking to keep inor— play if he was seeking to keep that relationship— play if he was seeking to keep that relationship secret. so you need— that relationship secret. so you need io— that relationship secret. so you need to ensure— that relationship secret. so you need to ensure that you've got in nioee— need to ensure that you've got in nioee ine— need to ensure that you've got in place the systems and processes that- in place the systems and processes that are somehow able to processes that are somehow able io iino— processes that are somehow able io iino o— processes that are somehow able io iino o wow— processes that are somehow able to find a way around that. so let to find a way around that. so ier we— to find a way around that. so ier we ieii— to find a way around that. so let us tell you— to find a way around that. so let us tell you what- to find a way around that. so let us tell you what our- to find a way around that. so let us tell you what our systems and processes are to ensure that that doesn't happen . and perhaps that doesn't happen. and perhaps you could talk about our speaking safeguarding speaking out and safeguarding policies. we'll speaking out and safeguarding policies . we'll come to that policies. we'll come to that ioier— policies. we'll come to that ioier — policies. we'll come to that later on. actually- t. we'll come to that later on. actually we've got a iew— later on. actually we've got a iew oiner— later on. actually we've got a few other questions we want to get few other questions we want to gei io — few other questions we want to get to wow— few other questions we want to get to wow iirei— few other questions we want to get to you first, but thank you, eiive. — get to you first, but thank you, eiive. won.— get to you first, but thank you, clive. yeah. just— get to you first, but thank you, clive. yeah. just very- get to you first, but thank you, clive. / i clive. yeah. just very briefly, i listen to those answers as we

as a committee are very concerned about the welfare of the individuals that are involved here in particular. phillip schofield but but most of all, a person . so could you of all, a person. so could you tell us what support you're giving to them at this moment in time and whether that will continue into the future? yes, we've remained in touch- rtriri ri7 yes, we've remained in touch with iniiin— we've remained in touch with pbilin oe— we've remained in touch with iniiin oe wow— we've remained in touch with philip, as you would expect, and he philip, as you would expect, and ne ie— philip, as you would expect, and he is receiving— philip, as you would expect, and he is receiving counselling. were— he is receiving counselling. were iwei— he is receiving counselling. we're just saying that philip is just we're just saying that philip is we reeeiving— we're just saying that philip is just receiving counselling and wnien— just receiving counselling and wnien i— just receiving counselling and wnien i weii— just receiving counselling and which i well, that's dame eoroiwn— which i well, that's dame carolyn mccall- which i well, that's dame carolyn mccall giving evidence. i carolyn mccall giving evidence. i—io— carolyn mccall giving evidence. i—io ie— carolyn mccall giving evidence. i—io to ion- carolyn mccall giving evidence. i—io ie ioirio- i have to say, to be fair to carolyn nokes, the chairman, chairwoman that committee, chairwoman of that committee, she to the point she got straight to the point very quickly. unlike the chairman, chairwoman home chairman, chairwoman of the home affairs banging chairman, chairwoman of the home affabout banging chairman, chairwoman of the home affabout a banging chairman, chairwoman of the home affabout a completely banging chairman, chairwoman of the home affabout a completely odd iging on about a completely odd subject talking the home subject to talking to the home secretary but we're going to talk now to roger bolton, who is a a very senior executive at a was a very senior executive at the bbc. bolton , hello to the bbc. roger bolton, hello to you. morning . carolyn you. good morning. carolyn mccall an assured performer. mccall is an assured performer. she's run many companies, the guardian, easyjet , bt. she's guardian, easyjet, bt. she's been at itv for a very long time. is she convincing you ,

time. is she convincing you, having the initial conversations with them has been done what she thought was necessary? i think she's a good chief— g t”,7 i think she's a good chief executive, owi— she's a good chief executive, iwi wnoi— she's a good chief executive, but what you're— she's a good chief executive, but what you're talking about nere— but what you're talking about nere ie— but what you're talking about nere ie o— but what you're talking about here is a total— but what you're talking about here is a total imbalance of power— here is a total imbalance of power wnere— here is a total imbalance of power where they should be oeiing— power where they should be asking themselves. the fundamental- asking themselves. the fundamental question is, since so fundamental question is, since eo nonw— fundamental question is, since eo nonw neooie— fundamental question is, since so many people knew why did know oi— so many people knew why did know oi ineee— so many people knew why did know none of these young— so many people knew why did know none of these young people who are none of these young people who working— none of these young people who working on— none of these young people who are working on these programmes nove— are working on these programmes nove ine— are working on these programmes have the confidence . to complain have the confidence. to complain oni— have the confidence. to complain ono io— have the confidence. to complain ono io iee— have the confidence. to complain and to raise the— have the confidence. to complain and to raise the issue and my view— and to raise the issue and my ie— and to raise the issue and my ie inere— and to raise the issue and my view is there are— and to raise the issue and my view is there are three reasons for view is there are three reasons ior inoi. — view is there are three reasons ior inoi. ene— view is there are three reasons for that. one is— view is there are three reasons for that. one is the fantastic power— for that. one is the fantastic nower oi— for that. one is the fantastic power of person— for that. one is the fantastic power of person of television nereonoiiiw— power of person of television pereonoiiiw ie— power of person of television personality is now who can make one— personality is now who can make one ireoi— personality is now who can make and break shows— personality is now who can make and break shows in— personality is now who can make and break shows in a way they eowion-i— and break shows in a way they couldn't before— and break shows in a way they couldn't before the vulnerability of young staff who are vulnerability of young staff who ire— vulnerability of young staff who ii-e o— vulnerability of young staff who are it's a casualised industry . are it's a casualised industry. they— are it's a casualised industry. inew nove— are it's a casualised industry. inew nove verv— are it's a casualised industry. they have very short term eoniroeie— they have very short term eoniroeie .— they have very short term contracts . they- they have very short term contracts . they work contracts. they work exceptionally long hours. they are terrified— exceptionally long hours. they are terrified of— exceptionally long hours. they are terrified of not being able to are terrified of not being able io wow— are terrified of not being able io wori .— are terrified of not being able io wori . ano— are terrified of not being able to work . and the— are terrified of not being able to work . and the third thing is to work. and the third thing is inor— to work. and the third thing is in wow— to work. and the third thing is not wow nove— to work. and the third thing is that you have the— to work. and the third thing is that you have the no trade unions effectively of any sort inor— unions effectively of any sort in inew— unions effectively of any sort not new en— unions effectively of any sort that they can go _ unions effectively of any sort that they can go to and you have inoenenoeni— that they can go to and you have independent companies for whom inew— independent companies for whom inew wow— independent companies for whom new work ior— independent companies for whom they work for whom they work, wno— they work for whom they work, wno — they work for whom they work, who are desperate— they work for whom they work, who are desperate to keep the

commissions with— who are desperate to keep the commissions with itv . so you've commissions with itv. so you've got commissions with itv. so you've goi o— commissions with itv. so you've got o eiiwoiion— commissions with itv. so you've got a situation of— commissions with itv. so you've got a situation of the virtually ierriiieo— got a situation of the virtually ierriiieo .— got a situation of the virtually terrified , powerless young terrified, powerless young reonie— terrified, powerless young pebble .— terrified, powerless young people . they're not going to people. they're not going to eonnioin— people. they're not going to complain because they're too eeo— complain because they're too eeo io — complain because they're too eeo io oo — complain because they're too scared to do so.— complain because they're too scared to do so. so what people nere— scared to do so. so what people nere need— scared to do so. so what people nere neeo io— scared to do so. so what people here need to say,— scared to do so. so what people here need to say, not just have you— here need to say, not just have wow goi— here need to say, not just have wow goi ine— here need to say, not just have you got the processes in place inor— you got the processes in place in wowio— you got the processes in place that would detect— you got the processes in place that would detect if people came to that would detect if people came io wow. — that would detect if people came to wow. rove— that would detect if people came to wow. vowve goi— that would detect if people came to you. you've got to ask , why to you. you've got to ask, why wowng— to you. you've got to ask, why wowng pebble— to you. you've got to ask, why are young people not coming to you?— are young people not coming to you? wnw— are young people not coming to you? wnw oo— are young people not coming to you? why do young people working on ineee— you? why do young people working on these shows— you? why do young people working on these shows feel— you? why do young people working on these shows feel so powerless oni— on these shows feel so powerless ono inew— on these shows feel so powerless ono inew oo. — on these shows feel so powerless and they do. and— on these shows feel so powerless and they do. and roger, it was common knowledge. e : common knowledge. it was talked oiowi— common knowledge. it was talked about openly at itv in the industry that phillip schofield had been in this inappropriate relationship with a young member of staff. the chief executive is assuring us they asked the right questions and were satisfied with the answers they got . yes, with the answers they got. yes, i'm sure they did from gir yes, i'm sure they did from their nereoeeiive— i'm sure they did from their perspective. but— i'm sure they did from their perspective. but this is partly nov— perspective. but this is partly iov iieiing— perspective. but this is partly box ticking. this— perspective. but this is partly box ticking. this is a very rich . weii— box ticking. this is a very rich . weii noii— box ticking. this is a very rich get noie growe— box ticking. this is a very rich , well paid group of people , , well paid group of people, verv— , well paid group of people, verw gooe— , well paid group of people, verw good in— , well paid group of people, very good in many ways at the top very good in many ways at the ion oi— very good in many ways at the ion oi ine— very good in many ways at the top of the industry who either

oon-i— top of the industry who either oon-i know.— top of the industry who either don't know, haven't asked or nove— don't know, haven't asked or have forgotten _ don't know, haven't asked or have forgotten what it's like to be or— have forgotten what it's like to ie oi ine — have forgotten what it's like to be at the bottom _ have forgotten what it's like to be at the bottom of the inoweirw. — be at the bottom of the inoweirw. ii— be at the bottom of the industry. if you're 22, 23, oeiwoiiw— industry. if you're 22, 23, actually older- industry. if you're 22, 23, actually older than that. now, on o enon— actually older than that. now, on a short term— actually older than that. now, on a short term contract , on a short term contract, eorneiirnee— on a short term contract, sometimes as— on a short term contract, sometimes as little as six eeei— sometimes as little as six eeei wowre— sometimes as little as six weeks, you're desperate for the nevi— weeks, you're desperate for the next contract. _ weeks, you're desperate for the next contract. you're working nowre— next contract. you're working insane hours as— next contract. you're working insane hours as well as this inneneeiw— insane hours as well as this immensely powerful personality, tv immensely powerful personality, iv nereonoiiiw— immensely powerful personality, tv personality whom the show and the independent— tv personality whom the show and the independent company providing— the independent company providing the— the independent company providing the show or itv oenenoe— providing the show or itv oepenoe .— providing the show or itv depends . and— providing the show or itv depends . and you are going to depends. and you are going to oeiwoiiw— depends. and you are going to oeiwoiiw eow— depends. and you are going to actually say something . and it's actually say something. and it's noni— actually say something. and it's not enowgn— actually say something. and it's hard enough to— actually say something. and it's hard enough to exist . you're hard enough to exist. you're probably— hard enough to exist. you're probably ii— hard enough to exist. you're probably, if you're a young nereon— probably, if you're a young oereon noii— probably, if you're a young person, paid what they are now, if person, paid what they are now, ii wowre— person, paid what they are now, ii wowre ii— person, paid what they are now, ii wowre ii wow— person, paid what they are now, if you're if you don't have the good— if you're if you don't have the good ioriwne— if you're if you don't have the good fortune of— if you're if you don't have the good fortune of being middle eioee— good fortune of being middle eioee onei— good fortune of being middle class and have— good fortune of being middle class and have your parents iiving— class and have your parents iiving in— class and have your parents living in london,— class and have your parents living in london, you probably eieeping— living in london, you probably eieening on— living in london, you probably sleeping on friend's floor sleeping on a friend's floor onwwow. — sleeping on a friend's floor onwwow. |rneon— sleeping on a friend's floor anyway. mean, there's no way anyway. i mean, there's no way inew-re— anyway. i mean, there's no way inew-re-io— anyway. i mean, there's no way inew-re-io nove- anyway. i mean, there's no way they're to have feel they're going to have the feel inor— they're going to have the feel inoi-ioii— they're going to have the feel that-talk about- they're going to have the feel that talk about these that they can talk about these ieewee-i— that they can talk about these issues-i think- that they can talk about these issues-i think for- that they can talk about these issues i think for an issues. and i think for an inoweirw— issues. and i think for an inoweirw io— issues. and i think for an industry to ignore the fundamental insecurities and inioionee— fundamental insecurities and imbalance of— fundamental insecurities and imbalance of power is wrong . i imbalance of power is wrong. i inini— imbalance of power is wrong. i inini inew— imbalance of power is wrong. i think they dame— imbalance of power is wrong. i think they dame carolyn is an eveeniionoiiw— think they dame carolyn is an exceptionally good chief executive _ exceptionally good chief executive .— exceptionally good chief executive . but it won't be executive. but it won't be enowgn— executive. but it won't be

enowgn ii— executive. but it won't be enough if for— executive. but it won't be enough if for them just to say poiieiee— enough if for them just to say our policies were _ enough if for them just to say our policies were in place, noioow— our policies were in place, nobody complained. they must go to nobody complained. they must go io ine— nobody complained. they must go io ine nevi— nobody complained. they must go to the next point— nobody complained. they must go to the next point is— nobody complained. they must go to the next point is why are so nonw— to the next point is why are so nonw wowng— to the next point is why are so many young people scared of eonpioining— many young people scared of complaining and— many young people scared of complaining and what can the inoweirw— complaining and what can the inoweirw oo— complaining and what can the inoweirw to e— complaining and what can the industry do ? but— complaining and what can the industry do ? but to make it more industry do? but to make it more to industry do? but to make it more io reinioree— industry do? but to make it more to reinforce, if— industry do? but to make it more to reinforce, if you— industry do? but to make it more to reinforce, if you like , their to reinforce, if you like, their oiiiiiw— to reinforce, if you like, their oiiiiiw io— to reinforce, if you like, their ability to speak— to reinforce, if you like, their ability to speak out when these eoioeeoi— ability to speak out when these colossal imbalances of power evieie— colossal imbalances of power evieie i— colossal imbalances of power evieie i gweee— colossal imbalances of power exist? i guess roger moore i'm ioeeinoieo— exist? i guess roger moore i'm ioeeinoieo by— exist? i guess roger moore i'm fascinated by what you've just eoio— fascinated by what you've just eoio inere— fascinated by what you've just said there, because i think wow-ve— said there, because i think wowve nir— said there, because i think you've hit the— said there, because i think you've hit the nail on the head. ine— you've hit the nail on the head. ine gweeiion— you've hit the nail on the head. the question is— you've hit the nail on the head. the question is what— you've hit the nail on the head. the question is what could- the question is what could possibly fix that imbalance of power? twas ever thus. you have a highly paid public figure, incredibly famous, and as you say, somebody that might be straight out of college age, very disempowered in that environment. how do you fix that? it's inevitable , isn't it? that? it's inevitable, isn't it? it wasn't ever thus. i mean, people it wasn't ever thus. i mean, pebble wow— it wasn't ever thus. i mean, people you know,- it wasn't ever thus. i mean, people you know, i- e e i mean, people you know, i don't want to ioii— people you know, i don't want to ioii oiowi— people you know, i don't want to talk about the _ people you know, i don't want to talk about the past. there are ioie— talk about the past. there are ioie oi— talk about the past. there are lots of things— talk about the past. there are lots of things about the past. ano— lots of things about the past. and we— lots of things about the past. and we know— lots of things about the past. and we know from you know, wnoi-e— and we know from you know, what's - metoo, - and we know from you know, what's metoo, lots of what's been metoo, lots of ininge— what's been metoo, lots of ininge weni— what's been metoo, lots of things went on. _ what's been metoo, lots of things went on. but fundamentally, if you've worked in—wnere- fundamentally, if you've worked in—wnere wowl fundamentally, if you've workedi in _where you had in an organisation where you had a in an organisation where you had o—iern— in an organisation where you had o—iern eoniroei- in an organisation where you had a_term contract andi a decent long term contract and

you— a decent long term contract and wow wee— a decent long term contract and you were more likely to be able to you were more likely to be able io eneoi— you were more likely to be able to eoeoi-wow— you were more likely to be able to speak-you were- you were more likely to be able to speak you were an to speak out if you were an inoweirw— to speak out if you were an industry-had- to speak out if you were an industry had trade unions, industry which had trade unions, inew— industry which had trade unions, inew goi— industry which had trade unions, inew goi roo— industry which had trade unions, they got too powerful at one eroge— they got too powerful at one erogelirooe— they got too powerful at one stage. trade unions you stage. but trade unions you eowio— stage. but trade unions you eowio-io— stage. but trade unions you could .to .could. could talk to who could renreeeni— could talk to who could represent you- could talk to who could represent you properly. had represent you properly. you had a represent you properly. you had o—eoiegworoing- a little more safeguarding inere— a little more safeguarding were—noo- a little more safeguarding there._had an. there. and if you had an inoweirw— there. and if you had an industry which was more honest oiowi— industry which was more honest now about how— industry which was more honest now about how more independent nrooweere— now about how more independent nrooweere oe— now about how more independent nrooweere .— now about how more independent producers are , are— now about how more independent producers are , are almost producers are, are almost ioioiiw— producers are, are almost totally dependent producers and vwineroiie— totally dependent producers and vulnerable in— totally dependent producers and vulnerable in that— totally dependent producers and vulnerable in that way, collectively, _ vulnerable in that way, collectively, .we've got to be more honest— collectively, .we've got to be more honest about this as an inoweirw. — more honest about this as an inoweirw. ii-e— more honest about this as an industry. it's difficult. you eon-i— industry. it's difficult. you eon-i go— industry. it's difficult. you can't go back— industry. it's difficult. you can't go back many ways to can't go back in many ways to wnoi— can't go back in many ways to what existed,— can't go back in many ways to what existed, but— can't go back in many ways to what existed, but you could look at what existed, but you could look oi nininoi— what existed, but you could look at minimal contract lengths. you eowio— at minimal contract lengths. you could safeguarding at at could look at safeguarding at at a could look at safeguarding at at o nwen— could look at safeguarding at at o nwen iower— could look at safeguarding at at a much lower level. you could ernowern— a much lower level. you could ernowern ine— a much lower level. you could empower the trade unions, not in ierne— empower the trade unions, not in ierne oi— empower the trade unions, not in terms of industrial— empower the trade unions, not in terms of industrial power, but in ierne— terms of industrial power, but in ierne oi— terms of industrial power, but in terms of issues— terms of industrial power, but in terms of issues like this, eirenginen— in terms of issues like this, strengthen their— in terms of issues like this, strengthen their ability. you know.— strengthen their ability. you know. noei— strengthen their ability. you know, most people won't belong to . know, most people won't belong io—. inere-e- know, most people won't belongj to_. there's nothing to trade unions. there's nothing eoneiroining— to trade unions. there's nothing constraining independence , constraining the independence, but constraining the independence, iwi—io- constraining the independence, iwi—io ie- constraining the independence, iwi—io ie on| but there just needs to be an noneei— but there just needs to be an honest listening— but there just needs to be an honest listening young honest listening to young neopie— honest listening to young people. reality of honest listening to young- people.-reality of their people. and the reality of their iivee— people. and the reality of their iivee oni— people. and the reality of their lives and what— people. and the reality of their lives and what needs to be done to lives and what needs to be done io we— lives and what needs to be done io we oe— lives and what needs to be done to we are backing— lives and what needs to be done to we are backing a— lives and what needs to be done to we are backing a casualised inoweirw— to we are backing a casualised industry which— to we are backing a casualised industry which in— to we are backing a casualised industry which in some ways is oiin— industry which in some ways is oiin io— industry which in some ways is oiin io inor— industry which in some ways is akin to that that— industry which in some ways is akin to that that existed in the

vieiorion— akin to that that existed in the victorian period.— akin to that that existed in the victorian period. now, i was an inoepenoeni— victorian period. now, i was an independent producer and i know how independent producer and i know now iowgn— independent producer and i know now iowgn ii— independent producer and i know now iowgn ii ie— independent producer and i know how tough it is to— independent producer and i know how tough it is to survive and you— how tough it is to survive and you-you— how tough it is to survive and wow-wow know.- how tough it is to survive and you you know, you've got you can't you know, you've got to you can't you know, you've got io eoniroei— you can't you know, you've got io eoniroei .— you can't you know, you've got to contract , expand, contract, to contract, expand, contract, evnono— to contract, expand, contract, evpono oni— to contract, expand, contract, evpono ono eo— to contract, expand, contract, expand and so on. i've mortgaged my expand and so on. i've mortgaged nw nowee— expand and so on. i've mortgaged nw nowee oi— expand and so on. i've mortgaged nw nowee oi one— expand and so on. i've mortgaged my house at one occasion. i'm noi— my house at one occasion. i'm noi nreienoing— my house at one occasion. i'm not pretending it's— my house at one occasion. i'm not pretending it's easy in ineee— not pretending it's easy in these circumstances, but the eioriing— these circumstances, but the eioriing noini— these circumstances, but the starting point is— these circumstances, but the starting point is to recognise inere-e— starting point is to recognise inere-e ewen— starting point is to recognise there's such an— starting point is to recognise there's such an imbalance of power— there's such an imbalance of power inor— there's such an imbalance of power in ii— there's such an imbalance of power that it is— there's such an imbalance of power that it is unreasonable to evneei— power that it is unreasonable to evneei inor— power that it is unreasonable to expect that young— power that it is unreasonable to expect that young people in ineee— expect that young people in these circumstance to say onwining.— these circumstance to say onwining. so— these circumstance to say anything. so you've got to noiiee— anything. so you've got to poiiee ine— anything. so you've got to police the presenters much more eioeeiw— police the presenters much more eioeeiw .— police the presenters much more eioeeiw . nwr— police the presenters much more closely , but you've— police the presenters much more closely , but you've got to find closely, but you've got to find wowe— closely, but you've got to find wowe oi— closely, but you've got to find ways of enhancing the ability of young— ways of enhancing the ability of young pebble— ways of enhancing the ability of young pebble to_ ways of enhancing the ability of young people to speak out and ieogen— young people to speak out and ieogen ine— young people to speak out and roger, the culture— young people to speak out and roger, the culture you describe, the executives— roger, the culture you describe, the executives who run itv know it , the executives who run itv know i . inew— the executives who run itv know i . inew iive— the executives who run itv know it , they live it. _ the executives who run itv know it , they live it. iri, e it, they live it. they see it, and they must have, must have surely suspected that there was a wall of silence because so many people feared for their jobs. and i note that dame carolyn mccall now says it wasn't an investigation. it was an ongoing review. well i think there are large parts of the industry are denial. i mean,

when we industry are denial. i mean, wnen we veni— industry are denial. i mean, when we went back- industry are denial. i mean, when we went back to- viii i mean, when we went back to a situation wnere— when we went back to a situation wnere wnere— when we went back to a situation where where independents were inirooweeo — where where independents were inirooweeo oe— where where independents were inirooweeo oe o— where where independents were introduced as a result, essentially— introduced as a result, essentially of channel 4, you know— essentially of channel 4, you know .— essentially of channel 4, you know . ii— essentially of channel 4, you know . ii oe— essentially of channel 4, you know , it was mainly because know, it was mainly because inere— know, it was mainly because inere wee— know, it was mainly because there were loads— know, it was mainly because there were loads of people who wonieo— there were loads of people who wonieolwori— there were loads of people who wanted work different wanted to work in different wowe.— wanted to work in different wowe—ano- wanted to work in different. ways._and also ways. lots of ideas. and also neonie— ways. lots of ideas. and also pebble wonieo— ways. lots of ideas. and also people wanted to— ways. lots of ideas. and also people wanted to break what they saw people wanted to break what they eowlo— people wanted to break what they eowlo-oi— people wanted to break what they eowlo-oi noi— people wanted to break what they saw-a .of not quite - saw as a sort of not quite nonopoiw— saw as a sort of not quite monopoly-itv. saw as a sort of not quite. monopoly-itv and saw as a sort of not quite- monopoly-itv and bbc . saw as a sort of not quite— monopoly-itv and bbc . we monopoly between itv and bbc. we needed— monopoly between itv and bbc. we needed-oi— monopoly between itv and bbc. we needed-of different- needed a range of different voicesithat_ needed a range of different voicesithat was- needed a range of different voices that was very good. what voices. that was very good. what ironenireo— voices. that was very good. what ironepireo verv— voices. that was very good. what transpired very quickly, accidentally _ transpired very quickly, accidentally was a number of neopie— accidentally was a number of peonie. noiniw— accidentally was a number of people, mainly in the entertainment area, in independent- entertainment area, in independent production, got very rich independent production, got very rien oni— independent production, got very rien ono inew— independent production, got very rich and they got— independent production, got very rich and they got partly rich and they got rich partly oeee— rich and they got rich partly because they— rich and they got rich partly because they cut costs. they oion-i— because they cut costs. they oion-i nove— because they cut costs. they didn't have to— because they cut costs. they didn't have to permanent didn't have to have permanent eioii— didn't have to have permanent eioii. inew— didn't have to have permanent staff. they could— didn't have to have permanent staff. they could recruit from a iiooiing—nnei floating group of people. bbc ano— floating group of people. bbc ano iiv— floating group of people. bbc ano iiv ewr— floating group of people. bbc and itv cut costs— floating group of people. bbc and itv cut costs because they einniw— and itv cut costs because they einoiw eoiei— and itv cut costs because they simply said, we're— and itv cut costs because they simply said, we're going to put iiie— simply said, we're going to put the nrogronne— simply said, we're going to put this programme out. this is the nriee. — this programme out. this is the nriee. ii— this programme out. this is the nriee. ii wow— this programme out. this is the price. if you don't— this programme out. this is the price. if you don't want to make it, price. if you don't want to make n, eoneioow— price. if you don't want to make it, somebody else— price. if you don't want to make it, somebody else will. they oion-i— it, somebody else will. they oion-i nove— it, somebody else will. they didn't have. in— it, somebody else will. they didn't have. in other words, the nroiiene— didn't have. in other words, the nroiiene inew— didn't have. in other words, the problems they would have with iniernoi— problems they would have with internal-within- problems they would have with internal within their problems they would have with inteiorganisationsiithin their problems they would have with inteiorganisations ,thin their problems they would have with inteiorganisations , whether' problems they would have with inteiorganisations , whether they own organisations, whether they had own organisations, whether they not woge— own organisations, whether they had wage agreements, on had wage agreements, people on nonon— o wowl non contracts and so on, a way of non contracts and so on, a way oi-eoeie— non contracts and so on, a way oi-eoeie .— non contracts and so on, a way oi-eoeie . so— non contracts and so on, a way oi-eoeie . so wow- non contracts and so on, a way of costs . so you had of cutting costs. so you had iiie— of cutting costs. so you had this mental— of cutting costs. so you had this mental cutting of costs, you— this mental cutting of costs, wow noo— this mental cutting of costs, you had independent producers eiiner— you had independent producers either—survival- you had independent producers either—survival or. either struggling survival or moving— either struggling survival or noiing ioie—

either struggling survival or making lots of— either struggling survival or making lots of money. yeah and in ieiween— making lots of money. yeah and in ieiween wow— making lots of money. yeah and in between you have these young reonie— in between you have these young pebble noi— in between you have these young pebble noi geiiing— in between you have these young people not getting a great deal of people not getting a great deal oi iroining— people not getting a great deal of training, desperate , perhaps of training, desperate, perhaps eioreirwei— of training, desperate, perhaps starstruck in— of training, desperate, perhaps starstruck in the— of training, desperate, perhaps starstruck in the industry , starstruck in the industry, reeeiving— starstruck in the industry, receiving little - starstruck in the industry, receiving little protection. i inini— receiving little protection. i inini ine— receiving little protection. i think the industry as a whole noe— think the industry as a whole noe iwrneo— think the industry as a whole has turned a— think the industry as a whole has turned a blind eye to that. ire— has turned a blind eye to that. it's inconvenient— has turned a blind eye to that. it's inconvenient and i'm sure done— it's inconvenient and i'm sure i>orne eoroiine— it's inconvenient and i'm sure dame caroline thinks she's doing the dame caroline thinks she's doing we proper— dame caroline thinks she's doing we note ining— dame caroline thinks she's doing the proper thing and she's a good— the proper thing and she's a good neeon— the proper thing and she's a good neon . — the proper thing and she's a good person . “id good person. but roger, it's roger bolton. it's fascinating seeing former bbc executive to hear your opinion . thank you so hear your opinion. thank you so much for joining hear your opinion. thank you so much forjoining us. we want to much for joining us. we want to we want to move back to parliament now. caroline mccall , just joining us, , if you're just joining us, carolyn facing the carolyn mccall is facing the dcms committee dcms select committee over the phillip scandal . all phillip schofield scandal. all interest , do you phillip schofield scandal. all interest, do you think i look as a ipp? i feel that i'm here. i ii— a ipp? i feel that i'm here. i ii i— a ipp? i feel that i'm here. i mean, if i was— a ipp? i feel that i'm here. i mean, if i was an— a ipp? i feel that i'm here. i mean, if i was an if- 37�*37�*7’ ifeel that i'm here. i mean, if i was an if we weren't a mean, if i was an if we weren't o rsn — mean, if i was an if we weren't o rsn .— mean, if i was an if we weren't o rsn . i— mean, if i was an if we weren't orsn . i oon-i— mean, if i was an if we weren't a psb , i don't think i'd be a psb, i don't think i'd be eiiiing— a psb, i don't think i'd be eiiiing in— a psb, i don't think i'd be sitting in front— a psb, i don't think i'd be sitting in front of you. i think if sitting in front of you. i think ii i— sitting in front of you. i think ii i oe— sitting in front of you. i think ii i wow— sitting in front of you. i think if i was, you know, a i'm not i— if i was, you know, a i'm not i wowio— if i was, you know, a i'm not sure i would be,— if i was, you know, a i'm not sure i would be, i- if i was, you know, a i'm not sure i would be, i don't know. i mean, you can answer that, but i inini— mean, you can answer that, but i inini oe— mean, you can answer that, but i inini oe o— mean, you can answer that, but i inini oe o isn— mean, you can answer that, but i think as a psb, you— mean, you can answer that, but i think as a psb, you know, our

you— think as a psb, you know, our wow wiii— think as a psb, you know, our wow wiii woni— think as a psb, you know, our you will want to _ think as a psb, you know, our you will want to hear what we've done— you will want to hear what we've done onei— you will want to hear what we've done one now— you will want to hear what we've done and how we've done it. and one— done and how we've done it. and one i— done and how we've done it. and and i understand— done and how we've done it. and and i understand that. and as i one— and i understand that. and as i one i— and i understand that. and as i one i oe— and i understand that. and as i one i oe i— and i understand that. and as i and i, as i said,— and i understand that. and as i and i, as i said, i've— and i understand that. and as i and i, as i said, i've welcomed inor— and i, as i said, i've welcomed inoi oeee— and i, as i said, i've welcomed that because i— and i, as i said, i've welcomed that because i wanted very much to that because i wanted very much io nwr— that because i wanted very much io nwi eoe— that because i wanted very much to put some facts— that because i wanted very much to put some facts clearly down. ano— to put some facts clearly down. one i— to put some facts clearly down. one i oieo— to put some facts clearly down. and i also wanted— to put some facts clearly down. and i also wanted you to understand— and i also wanted you to understand how seriously we take ininge— understand how seriously we take ininge nwr— understand how seriously we take ininge. iwi oieo— understand how seriously we take things, but also how much we oiowi— things, but also how much we care about the _ things, but also how much we care about the people that work at care about the people that work oi nv. — care about the people that work oi nv. iiie— care about the people that work oi nv. inie ie— care about the people that work at itv. this is this— care about the people that work at itv. this is this is a very viironi— at itv. this is this is a very vibrant, creative- at itv. this is this is a very vibrant, creative , kyiv, proud vibrant, creative, kyiv, proud orgonieoiion— vibrant, creative, kyiv, proud organisation .— vibrant, creative, kyiv, proud organisation . and what has been organisation. and what has been eoio— organisation. and what has been eoio onei— organisation. and what has been eoio one. wow— organisation. and what has been said and, you know, from the owieioe— said and, you know, from the outside often— said and, you know, from the outside often or— said and, you know, from the outside often or from people who are outside often or from people who no ionger— outside often or from people who are no longer at— outside often or from people who are no longer at itv— outside often or from people who are no longer at itv , you know, are no longer at itv, you know, neonie— are no longer at itv, you know, neonie ieei— are no longer at itv, you know, neonie ieei verv— are no longer at itv, you know, people feel very deeply about inor— people feel very deeply about no or— people feel very deeply about inoi oi iiv— people feel very deeply about no oi iiv .— people feel very deeply about that at itv . no,— people feel very deeply about that at itv . no, no one feels that at itv. no, no one feels you— that at itv. no, no one feels wow know.— that at itv. no, no one feels wow inow. ine— that at itv. no, no one feels you know, the vast majority of neonie.— you know, the vast majority of neonie. iiv— you know, the vast majority of neonie. iiv .— you know, the vast majority of people, itv , feel— you know, the vast majority of people, itv , feel that they are, people, itv, feel that they are, you— people, itv, feel that they are, wow know.— people, itv, feel that they are, you know, they're— people, itv, feel that they are, you know, they're looked after inn.— you know, they're looked after inoi. wow— you know, they're looked after that, you know,— you know, they're looked after that, you know, we have many, nonw— that, you know, we have many, many different— that, you know, we have many, many different ways that they ieii— many different ways that they ieii we— many different ways that they can tell us their— many different ways that they can tell us their feedback and men— can tell us their feedback and ineir innwi— can tell us their feedback and their input doesn't always have to their input doesn't always have io ie— their input doesn't always have io ie o— their input doesn't always have to be a complaint.— their input doesn't always have to be a complaint. it just to be a complaint. it can just be to be a complaint. it can just ire-in— to be a complaint. it can just ie-i-n noi— to be a complaint. it can just be i'm not getting be about i'm not getting flexibility— be about i'm not getting flexibility work i need flexibility at work and i need eone—ie- flexibility at work and i need oee—i o- flexibility at work and i need. some—be a whole some help. it could be a whole ionge— some help. it could be a whole range-different— some help. it could be a whole range different things, but range of different things, but we oo— range of different things, but we do listen— range of different things, but we do listen and we have so many

oiiiereni— we do listen and we have so many oiiiereni wowe— we do listen and we have so many different ways listening, so different ways of listening, so i different ways of listening, so i-reoiiw— different ways of listening, so i-really answer- different ways of listening, so i really answer why you've different ways of listening, so i me'eally answer why you've different ways of listening, so i me here. answer why you've different ways of listening, so i me here. inswer why you've different ways of listening, so i me here. inswesayhy you've different ways of listening, so i me here. inswesay whyiu've different ways of listening, so i me here. inswesay why i 've different ways of listening, so i me here. inswesay why i am got me here. i can say why i am nere— got me here. i can say why i am nere onei— got me here. i can say why i am nere one i— got me here. i can say why i am here and i accept— got me here. i can say why i am here and i accept that's not wowr— here and i accept that's not wowr-roie— here and i accept that's not your role because we your your role because we inviieo— your your role because we invited-after- your your role because we invited after all. your your role because we- invited-after all. but what invited you after all. but what ine— invited you after all. but what were the policies and procedures in incidents of in place at itv for incidents of this type at the time of the initial investigations into these rumours surrounding . these rumours surrounding. that's what i was getting. so monk.— that's what i was getting. so thank, thank— that's what i was getting. so thank, thank you. kyla, would you— thank, thank you. kyla, would wow twei— thank, thank you. kyla, would wow we go— thank, thank you. kyla, would you just go through what we do ? you just go through what we do? so, you just go through what we do? so. eo— you just go through what we do? so, so our policies— you just go through what we do? so, so our policies and— so, so our policies and procedures, although obviously there are, you know, they're updated regularly whether it's to take account of new regulations an ofcom guidance but also best practise. so clearly our policies and practises as they stand today will be slightly different to those that were in place in 2019. so how how have they enongeoe — 2019. so how how have they changed? but— 2019. so how how have they changed? but not- 2019. so how how have they changed? but not a- �*qi so how how have they changed? but not a lot. um, for example , there was a new ofcom example, there was a new ofcom code on on on protecting participle and shows which came out post 2019. so we will have incorporated that into our

policies and practises. it's that type of thing. i mean the fundamentally the policies that we had in place in 2019 and it will be helpful for me to give you the shape of those and those that are important here are are very , very similar to what we very, very similar to what we have in place now. so we have had at itv a code of conduct , a had at itv a code of conduct, a code of conduct, code of ethics and conduct. it is the policy that underpins everything . and that underpins everything. and lots of policies flow from that . it's a policy that is incorporated into the contracts of everyone who works for or with itv employees, freelance and others. and it sets out very clearly what our expectations are of conduct at itv , both the are of conduct at itv, both the conduct that we expect and the conduct that we expect and the conduct that we do not tolerate it is it is a very accessible policy document . it it is it it is it is a very accessible policy document. it it is it has a message from the ceo at the

front , which explains why it's front, which explains why it's so important and why it's so important also to speak up if you see that there are any there's anything going on that all sounds great. and we can take a all sounds great. and we can roie o iooi— all sounds great. and we can take a look at— all sounds great. and we can take a look at that.- q and we can take a look at that. and. sure. nwr— take a look at that. and. sure. nwi wnoi— take a look at that. and. sure. nwi wnoi in— take a look at that. and. sure. but what i'm interested in is inor— but what i'm interested in is inoi-eoio— but what i'm interested in is that-said-have- but what i'm interested in is that said have been that you said there have been eoee-nneeg- that you said there have been some changes. are any of some minor changes. are any of the some minor changes. are any of we enongee— some minor changes. are any of the changes that— some minor changes. are any of the changes that have happened as the changes that have happened oelreewii— the changes that have happened oelreewii oi— the changes that have happened aslresult of this— the changes that have happened as result of this matter? no as a result of this matter? no so as a result of this matter? no so i— as a result of this matter? no so i eon— as a result of this matter? no so i ii— as a result of this matter? no so i ii i— as a result of this matter? no so i can if i could— as a result of this matter? no so i can if i could just- as a result of this matter? no so i can if i could just just. sorry. go ahead . so no changes sorry. go ahead. so no changes as a result of this matter. sorry. go ahead. so no changes as a result of this matter . and as a result of this matter. and the important point in our some of the important points in our code of conduct , as well as code of conduct, as well as absolutely setting out very, very clearly what our our speaking up policy is, which i'd like to come on to, is that we do not accept any bullying or harassment. and there is zero tolerance for abuse of position . so anything that and that was in place in 2016, 2019, 2021, 2023. okay. and there is a

worinioee— $7025 okay. and there is a workplace relationship form that you workplace relationship form that wow now— workplace relationship form that wow nove— workplace relationship form that you now have to— workplace relationship form that you now have to fill in that eiorieo— you now have to fill in that eiorieo oi— you now have to fill in that started at the— you now have to fill in that started at the start of 2022. ie— started at the start of 2022. we noi— started at the start of 2022. we noi o— started at the start of 2022. it's not a new— started at the start of 2022. it's not a new policy in response to— it's not a new policy in response to this at all. it was eoneining— response to this at all. it was something that— response to this at all. it was something that we updated oeee— something that we updated because we update our policies everw— because we update our policies everw weor— because we update our policies everw weor oe— because we update our policies every year as carla— because we update our policies every year as carla said that we wnooieo— every year as carla said that we wnooieo inor— every year as carla said that we updated that and— every year as carla said that we updated that and we actually eoio— updated that and we actually eoio inor— updated that and we actually said that everybody who works at itv said that everybody who works at iiv noe— said that everybody who works at iiv noe io— said that everybody who works at itv has to fill— said that everybody who works at itv has to fill in— said that everybody who works at itv has to fill in a— said that everybody who works at itv has to fill in a form where inew— itv has to fill in a form where inew nove— itv has to fill in a form where new nove io— itv has to fill in a form where they have to disclose our worinioee— they have to disclose our workplace relationships, whether inew— workplace relationships, whether inew-rononiie— workplace relationships, whether they-romantic or— workplace relationships, whether they romantic or family they are romantic or family relationships— they are romantic or family relationships .— they are romantic or family relationships . i— they are romantic or family relationships . i see. and, and relationships. i see. and, and noo— relationships. i see. and, and we've had that— relationships. i see. and, and we've had that in— relationships. i see. and, and we've had that in place since inen— we've had that in place since inen .— we've had that in place since inen . okay-— we've had that in place since then . okay. thank you, chair. then. okay. thank you, chair. wnoi— then. okay. thank you, chair. wnoi io— then. okay. thank you, chair. wnoi in wow— then. okay. thank you, chair. wnoi in wow eow— then. okay. thank you, chair. what do you say in— then. okay. thank you, chair. what do you say in response to the allegation that there was a toxic culture at this morning ? toxic culture at this morning? what i would say is, is that ii-e— what i would say is, is that we noi— what i would say is, is that it's not something that we take inor— it's not something that we take that seriously.— it's not something that we take that seriously. you— it's not something that we take that seriously. you know, as wow-ve— that seriously. you know, as wowve neoni— that seriously. you know, as you've heard me- that seriously. you know, as you've heard me talk about ewiiwre— you've heard me talk about ewiiwre. ire— you've heard me talk about culture, it's incredibly innorioni— culture, it's incredibly important to personally . culture, it's incredibly— important to-personally . and important to me personally. and so important to me personally. and eo ii— important to me personally. and eo ii oeeniw— important to me personally. and so it deeply disappoints me . so it deeply disappoints me. ieigni. — so it deeply disappoints me. reigni. nwr— so it deeply disappoints me. ieigni row we— so it deeply disappoints me. right. but we do not recognise inor— right. but we do not recognise no in— right. but we do not recognise no in iiie— right. but we do not recognise that in this morning. and i inini— that in this morning. and i inini ine— that in this morning. and i think the reason for that is iioi— think the reason for that is inoi. wow— think the reason for that is that, you know,— think the reason for that is that, you know, we have tangible evioenee— that, you know, we have tangible evioenee io— that, you know, we have tangible evidence to tell— that, you know, we have tangible evidence to tell you where the

voei— evidence to tell you where the voei nor-oniw— evidence to tell you where the vast majority of— evidence to tell you where the vast majority of people at day ine— vast majority of people at day iirne oi— vast majority of people at day iirne oi iiie— vast majority of people at day time at this morning are evireneiw— time at this morning are extremely engaged and very noiivoieei— extremely engaged and very motivated. it's— extremely engaged and very motivated. it's not to say that we oon-i— motivated. it's not to say that we oon-i roie— motivated. it's not to say that we don't take complaint about it eerioweiw. — we don't take complaint about it seriously. we've— we don't take complaint about it seriously. we've had to complaints— seriously. we've had to complaints in- seriously. we've had to complaints in five years about inor— complaints in five years about no — complaints in five years about that issue. right— complaints in five years about that issue. right to complaints. iorn— that issue. right to complaints. noin oi— that issue. right to complaints. noin oi inen— that issue. right to complaints. both of them taken very eerioweiw. — both of them taken very seriously. one- both of them taken very seriously. one of them investigated - seriously. one of them investigated it internally , one investigated it internally, one of investigated it internally, one oi inen— investigated it internally, one of them public— investigated it internally, one of them public disclosed. so i can name the— of them public disclosed. so i can name the person, i think. nwr— can name the person, i think. nwi reoni— can name the person, i think. on ion singi— can name the person, i think. but ranj singh complained . i but ranj singh complained. i oeiwoiiw— but ranj singh complained. i actually asked— but ranj singh complained. i actually asked for an external investigation— actually asked for an external investigation that happened and was investigation that happened and noi— investigation that happened and noi oiie— investigation that happened and was not able to— investigation that happened and was not able to be upheld . so was not able to be upheld. so i do was not able to be upheld. so i to wow— was not able to be upheld. so i oo woni io— was not able to be upheld. so i do want to give— was not able to be upheld. so i do want to give you , if you do want to give you, if you oon-i— do want to give you, if you oon-i nini— do want to give you, if you don't mind, i— do want to give you, if you don't mind, i do- do want to give you, if you don't mind, i do want to give you— don't mind, i do want to give wow eoe— don't mind, i do want to give you some facts— don't mind, i do want to give you some facts .— don't mind, i do want to give you some facts . the you some facts. the participation in our engagement ewrvew— participation in our engagement survey wnien— participation in our engagement survey wnien ie— participation in our engagement survey, which is done by an eviernoi— survey, which is done by an external-called. survey, which is done by an- external-called culture external company called culture ann,— external company called culture aron-eow— external company called culture aron-eow neoriw- external company called culture amp, say nearly 80% of amp, would say nearly 80% of neonie— amp, would say nearly 80% of neonie in— amp, would say nearly 80% of neonie in iiv— amp, would say nearly 80% of people in itv participate in inor— people in itv participate in no ewrvew— people in itv participate in that survey. that's high, right? a ior— that survey. that's high, right? a ioi oi— that survey. that's high, right? a lot of companies have 60% noriieinoiion. — a lot of companies have 60% participation. so— a lot of companies have 60% participation. so that means neonie— participation. so that means neonie woni— participation. so that means neonie woni io— participation. so that means people want to participate . it people want to participate. it ieiie— people want to participate. it ieiie we— people want to participate. it tells us how— people want to participate. it

tells us how people are actually evnerieneing— tells us how people are actually experiencing working at itv . and experiencing working at itv. and it's experiencing working at itv. and we ioioiiw— experiencing working at itv. and it's totally confidential. they eow— it's totally confidential. they can say whatever they want. they wiii— can say whatever they want. they wiii never— can say whatever they want. they wiii ie— can say whatever they want. they will never be traced— can say whatever they want. they will never be traced or tracked. so will never be traced or tracked. so wow— will never be traced or tracked. so wow eon-i— will never be traced or tracked. so wow eon-i oo— will never be traced or tracked. so you can't do it.— will never be traced or tracked. so you can't do it. so it's done eviernoiiw— so you can't do it. so it's done eviernoiiw .— so you can't do it. so it's done externally , completely in day externally, completely in day ine— externally, completely in day iirne .— externally, completely in day time , specifically, 89% of time, specifically, 89% of neonie— time, specifically, 89% of neonie eow— time, specifically, 89% of people say they are proud to wow— people say they are proud to work or— people say they are proud to work oi iiv.— people say they are proud to work at itv, 86%_ people say they are proud to work at itv, 86% would recommend work at itv, 86% would recommede itv work at itv, 86% would recommend iiv oowiine— work at itv, 86% would recommend iiv oowiine oe— work at itv, 86% would recommend iiv oowiine oe o— work at itv, 86% would recommend itv daytime as a place to work as itv daytime as a place to work oe o greoi— itv daytime as a place to work oe o greoi nioee— itv daytime as a place to work as a great place to— itv daytime as a place to work as a great place to work . 80% of as a great place to work. 80% of neonie— as a great place to work. 80% of neonie oi— as a great place to work. 80% of people at daytime— as a great place to work. 80% of people at daytime are happy with how people at daytime are happy with now ineir— people at daytime are happy with how their manager— people at daytime are happy with how their manager motivates them and how their manager motivates them one iew— how their manager motivates them one row oi— how their manager motivates them and 75% of them— how their manager motivates them and 75% of them say that eoiieogwee— and 75% of them say that colleagues from all backgrounds nove— colleagues from all backgrounds nove egwoi— colleagues from all backgrounds have equal opportunities to eweeeeo— have equal opportunities to eweeeeo oi— have equal opportunities to succeed at itv.— have equal opportunities to succeed at itv. so i'm giving you— succeed at itv. so i'm giving wow inoee— succeed at itv. so i'm giving you those tangible kind of none— you those tangible kind of noinie now— you those tangible kind of points now. we— you those tangible kind of points now. we didn't everything was points now. we didn't everything noi— points now. we didn't everything noi giowing— points now. we didn't everything was not glowing in an engagement ewrvew— was not glowing in an engagement survey nwr— was not glowing in an engagement survey iwi ine— was not glowing in an engagement survey, but the strong these are eirong— survey, but the strong these are eirong eeoee— survey, but the strong these are strong scores about how people ieei— strong scores about how people ieei oiowi— strong scores about how people feel about working there on oowiine— feel about working there on oowiine .— feel about working there on oowiine . so— feel about working there on daytime . so i— feel about working there on daytime . so i actually brought daytime. so i actually brought the daytime. so i actually brought ine iigwree— daytime. so i actually brought the figures for— daytime. so i actually brought the figures for in— daytime. so i actually brought the figures for in daytime roiner— the figures for in daytime rather than— the figures for in daytime rather than for- the figures for in daytime rather than for the whole of rw— rather than for the whole of itv, although— rather than for the whole of itv, although of— rather than for the whole of itv, although of course, you can ii— itv, although of course, you can ii wow— itv, although of course, you can see if you would— itv, although of course, you can see if you would like to the itv wioe— see if you would like to the itv wioe eioie— see if you would like to the itv wide stats which— see if you would like to the itv wide stats which are very einior— wide stats which are very einiior io— wide stats which are very similar to the— wide stats which are very similar to the daytime stats, oiinowgn— similar to the daytime stats, oiinowgn ine— similar to the daytime stats, although the daytime statistics

are although the daytime statistics oeiwoiiw— although the daytime statistics are actually higher than itv overoii— are actually higher than itv overoii. so— are actually higher than itv overall. so i— are actually higher than itv overall. so i think when you use the overall. so i think when you use ine worri— overall. so i think when you use we wont oni— overall. so i think when you use the word and when— overall. so i think when you use the word and when you use those worrie— the word and when you use those woroe oiowi— the word and when you use those words about our— the word and when you use those words about our culture, you know.— words about our culture, you know. we— words about our culture, you know, we are we— words about our culture, you know, we are we don't recognise inor— know, we are we don't recognise inoi ewiiwre— know, we are we don't recognise inoi ewiiwre .— know, we are we don't recognise that culture . it— know, we are we don't recognise that culture . it doesn't mean we that culture. it doesn't mean we oon-i— that culture. it doesn't mean we oon-i roie— that culture. it doesn't mean we don't take those _ that culture. it doesn't mean we don't take those allegations eerioweiw. — don't take those allegations eerioweiw. ii— don't take those allegations seriously. it doesn't mean we oon-i— seriously. it doesn't mean we oon-i roie— seriously. it doesn't mean we don't take complaints seriously. we don't take complaints seriously. we oo— don't take complaints seriously. we to .— don't take complaints seriously. we to .rwei— don't take complaints seriously. we to we io— don't take complaints seriously. we do .just to build don't take complaints seriously. we do . just to build on what we do. just to build on what vwio— we do. just to build on what vwio eoio— we do. just to build on what vwio eoio .— we do. just to build on what vwio eoio . ii— we do. just to build on what kyla said , if you— we do. just to build on what kyla said , if you don't mind, in kyla said, if you don't mind, in ierne— kyla said, if you don't mind, in ierne oi— kyla said, if you don't mind, in terms of policies,— kyla said, if you don't mind, in terms of policies, because it's all terms of policies, because it's oii verv— terms of policies, because it's oii verw weii— terms of policies, because it's all very well having policies. nwr— all very well having policies. nwilneonie— all very well having policies. butlpeople don't- all very well having policies. but people don't read the but if people don't read the noiiew— but if people don't read the noiiew-iino- but if people don't read the policy-find that- but if people don't read the policy find that they policy or they find that they iwei— policy or they find that they we ignore— policy or they find that they just ignore them or they say, oh,— just ignore them or they say, on. more— just ignore them or they say, oh, that's just,— just ignore them or they say, oh, that's just, you know, eornoroie — oh, that's just, you know, corporate gobbledegook, there are corporate gobbledegook, there ore-orien— corporate gobbledegook, there are - other ways - corporate gobbledegook, there are other ways that are so many other ways that neonie— are so many other ways that neonie en— are so many other ways that people can make themselves neoni— people can make themselves neoro. we— people can make themselves heard. we have— people can make themselves heard. we have an ambassador neiwori— heard. we have an ambassador neiwori oi— heard. we have an ambassador network at itv,— heard. we have an ambassador network at itv, which is 80 enong— network at itv, which is 80 strong. these— network at itv, which is 80 strong. these are people who are eieeieo— strong. these are people who are eieeieo by— strong. these are people who are elected by people— strong. these are people who are elected by people in our oiiieee— elected by people in our offices, of— elected by people in our offices, of which we have about 24 offices, of which we have about ze oono— offices, of which we have about 24 around the— offices, of which we have about 24 around the country. they are eieeieo— 24 around the country. they are elected representatives of neonie— elected representatives of neonie .— elected representatives of neonie . inew— elected representatives of people . they have regular people. they have regular neeiinge— people. they have regular meetings, not— people. they have regular meetings, not just with members of meetings, not just with members oi ine— meetings, not just with members of the management board and iieiening— of the management board and listening circles.— of the management board and listening circles. they actually nove— listening circles. they actually nove o— listening circles. they actually have a non—exec— listening circles. they actually have a non—exec director who inew— have a non—exec director who they-go_ have a non—exec director who inew-go io— have a non—exec director who inew-go io oi— have a non—exec director who inew-go io oi onw- have a non—exec director who they go to at any time with they can go to at any time with any— they can go to at any time with onw nronien— they can go to at any time with onw nroiien or— they can go to at any time with any problem or any complaint. ano— any problem or any complaint. ano inew— any problem or any complaint. ano inew en— any problem or any complaint. and they can do— any problem or any complaint.

and they can do that anonymously wiin — and they can do that anonymously wiin ine — and they can do that anonymously with the non—exec— and they can do that anonymously with the non—exec director on ric— with the non—exec director on our plc board,— with the non—exec director on our plc board, who is an independent— our plc board, who is an independent director. we have wnieiiev— independent director. we have unbeliev ably— independent director. we have unbeliev ably strong networks. we unbeliev ably strong networks. we nove— unbeliev ably strong networks. we nove iive— unbeliev ably strong networks. we have five very— unbeliev ably strong networks. we have five very strong neiworie— we have five very strong networks that - we have five very strong networks that represent various eonnwniiiee— networks that represent various communities in— networks that represent various communities in itv. they are eoeo— communities in itv. they are eeoe neonie— communities in itv. they are 3000 people out— communities in itv. they are 3000 people out of 5000 belong to 3000 people out of 5000 belong io inoee— 3000 people out of 5000 belong to those networks.— 3000 people out of 5000 belong to those networks. and itv. and inere— to those networks. and itv. and inere oe— to those networks. and itv. and inere oniw— to those networks. and itv. and there are only there are 4000 neonie— there are only there are 4000 neonie in— there are only there are 4000 neonie in ine— there are only there are 4000 people in the uk— there are only there are 4000 people in the uk that work at mn— people in the uk that work at nv, oni— people in the uk that work at itv, and there— people in the uk that work at itv, and there are— people in the uk that work at itv, and there are 1000 freelance _ itv, and there are 1000 freelance peers. so 3000, 4000 neonie— freelance peers. so 3000, 4000 neonie ieiong— freelance peers. so 3000, 4000 neonie ieiong io— freelance peers. so 3000, 4000 people belong to those networks . inoee— people belong to those networks . those chairs— people belong to those networks . those chairs are— people belong to those networks . those chairs are elected , made . those chairs are elected, made by ine— . those chairs are elected, made by we neonie— . those chairs are elected, made by we neonie .— . those chairs are elected, made by the people . they are very by the people. they are very enong— by the people. they are very eirong. ine— by the people. they are very strong. the chairs and they are iriiiioni— strong. the chairs and they are brilliant networks. i personally ioii— brilliant networks. i personally ioii io— brilliant networks. i personally ioii io wen.— brilliant networks. i personally talk to them. i— brilliant networks. i personally talk to them. i chair a committee— talk to them. i chair a committee where all of those enoire— committee where all of those enoire eii— committee where all of those chairs sit around— committee where all of those chairs sit around the table and say— chairs sit around the table and eow ine— chairs sit around the table and eow ine ininge— chairs sit around the table and say the things that they're most worried— say the things that they're most worried about,— say the things that they're most worried about, the— say the things that they're most worried about, the things that are worried about, the things that going— worried about, the things that going really— worried about, the things that are going really, really well. ano— are going really, really well. one we— are going really, really well. one we nove— are going really, really well. and we have a— are going really, really well. and we have a discussion and we do and we have a discussion and we to i— and we have a discussion and we to i oeoee— and we have a discussion and we do it across all— and we have a discussion and we do it across all the— and we have a discussion and we do it across all the networks. so do it across all the networks. so inoee— do it across all the networks. so inoee oe— do it across all the networks. so those are just— do it across all the networks. so those are just examples of now— so those are just examples of now wow— so those are just examples of now wow nove— so those are just examples of how you have a— so those are just examples of how you have a formal complaints nroeeowre— how you have a formal complaints nroeeowre .— how you have a formal complaints procedure , which— how you have a formal complaints procedure , which is— how you have a formal complaints procedure , which is all about hr procedure, which is all about hr and procedure, which is all about hr ono vino— procedure, which is all about hr one kind oi— procedure, which is all about hr and kind of documenting and noving— and kind of documenting and noving ine— and kind of documenting and having the meetings with hr and wow— having the meetings with hr and

wowr iine— having the meetings with hr and your line manager— having the meetings with hr and your line manager and whatever. but your line manager and whatever. nwi ii— your line manager and whatever. nwi ii inor— your line manager and whatever. nwi ii inoi ie— your line manager and whatever. but if that is not— your line manager and whatever. but if that is not you know, if you— but if that is not you know, if wow oon-i— but if that is not you know, if wow oon-i woni— but if that is not you know, if you don't want-do- but if that is not you know, if you don't want do that you don't want to do that oeee— you don't want to do that ieeowee wow— you don't want to do that because you think that's worrwing— because you think that'si worrying-you're worrying to you or you're concerned -that- worrying to you or you're concerned that , but if worrying to you or you're- concerned -that , but if you concerned about that, but if you oon-i— concerned about that, but if you oon-i gei— concerned about that, but if you oon-i gei on— concerned about that, but if you don't get on with— concerned about that, but if you don't get on with your line manager, there— don't get on with your line manager, there are multiple oiner— manager, there are multiple other routes— manager, there are multiple other routes and i've already neniioneo— other routes and i've already mentioned-call- other routes and i've already mentioned-call ,- other routes and i've already mentioned call, which is mentioned safe call, which is a nwneri— mentioned safe call, which is a nwrneri inor— mentioned safe call, which is a number that we— mentioned safe call, which is a number that we promote for whistleblowing_ number that we promote for whistleblowing widely. it's in, i'm whistleblowing widely. it's in, in oiroio— whistleblowing widely. it's in, in oiroio ii— whistleblowing widely. it's in, i'm afraid it is— whistleblowing widely. it's in, i'm afraid it is in— whistleblowing widely. it's in, i'm afraid it is in the toilets. it i'm afraid it is in the toilets. ii ie— i'm afraid it is in the toilets. ii ie on— i'm afraid it is in the toilets. it is on lifts,— i'm afraid it is in the toilets. it is on lifts, it— i'm afraid it is in the toilets. it is on lifts, it is— i'm afraid it is in the toilets. it is on lifts, it is in car noiie— it is on lifts, it is in car norie. ire— it is on lifts, it is in car parks. it's everywhere. it's on my— parks. it's everywhere. it's on nw iv.— parks. it's everywhere. it's on nw iv. ire— parks. it's everywhere. it's on nw iv. ii-e. wow— parks. it's everywhere. it's on my tv. it's, you know, i talk oiowi— my tv. it's, you know, i talk oiowi ii— my tv. it's, you know, i talk oiowi ii in— my tv. it's, you know, i talk about it in my— my tv. it's, you know, i talk about it in my podcasts. i do a nooeoei— about it in my podcasts. i do a nooeoei everw— about it in my podcasts. i do a nooeoei everw 2— about it in my podcasts. i do a podcast every 2 to— about it in my podcasts. i do a podcast every 2 to 3 weeks for ine— podcast every 2 to 3 weeks for we wnoie— podcast every 2 to 3 weeks for we wnoie oi— podcast every 2 to 3 weeks for the whole of itv. _ podcast every 2 to 3 weeks for the whole of itv. and i say, non-i— the whole of itv. and i say, non-i iorgei— the whole of itv. and i say, don't forget anything you want to don't forget anything you want io eow. — don't forget anything you want to eow. rwei— don't forget anything you want to eow. we give— don't forget anything you want to say. just give us either i've got— to say. just give us either i've goi on— to say. just give us either i've got on enoii— to say. just give us either i've got an email, i've— to say. just give us either i've got an email, i've got an email nov— got an email, i've got an email iov eoiieo— got an email, i've got an email box called ask— got an email, i've got an email box called ask carolyn. they can twei— box called ask carolyn. they can we enoii— box called ask carolyn. they can just email that— box called ask carolyn. they can just email that box— box called ask carolyn. they can just email that box and they wiii— just email that box and they wiii oiwowe— just email that box and they will always get— just email that box and they will always get a reply or they go— will always get a reply or they go io— will always get a reply or they can go to safeguard. so what i'm irwing— can go to safeguard. so what i'm irwing io— can go to safeguard. so what i'm trying to describe— can go to safeguard. so what i'm trying to describe is— can go to safeguard. so what i'm trying to describe is it's all verv— trying to describe is it's all verw weii— trying to describe is it's all very well having policies, but oeiwoiiw— very well having policies, but actually policies— very well having policies, but actually policies are sometimes not actually policies are sometimes noi reoi— actually policies are sometimes noi reoo by— actually policies are sometimes not read by people. so you can do not read by people. so you can to oe— not read by people. so you can to oe nwen— not read by people. so you can do as much as— not read by people. so you can do as much as you— not read by people. so you can do as much as you can on policy, owi— do as much as you can on policy, iwi oeiwoiiw— do as much as you can on policy, but actually-we— do as much as you can on policy, but actually we really, but actually what we really, reoiiw— but actually what we really, really foster— but actually what we really, really foster is— but actually what we really, really foster is a— but actually what we really, really foster is a culture where if really foster is a culture where ii onwone— really foster is a culture where

ii nowne noe— really foster is a culture where if anyone has a— really foster is a culture where if anyone has a problem, if onwone— if anyone has a problem, if onwone ie— if anyone has a problem, if anyone is concerned about eoneioow— anyone is concerned about somebody else— anyone is concerned about somebody else , they can tell us somebody else, they can tell us in nwiiinie— somebody else, they can tell us in multiple ways— somebody else, they can tell us in multiple ways .— somebody else, they can tell us in multiple ways . yes, thank in multiple ways. yes, thank you,— in multiple ways. yes, thank youv enoir. — in multiple ways. yes, thank you, chair. i'm— in multiple ways. yes, thank you, chair. , 3 g in multiple ways. yes, thank you, chair. 7 ir: ig you, chair. i'm finding this all very sad and like kevin brennan, i really don't understand why there's such a media frenzy when we have war in ukraine. starvation in africa and indian rail accidents, etcetera. having said that, i do understand the power of personality, but one question you've very forcefully put your case for the way you manage things formally, how there are ways of people being able to talk to the management of itv. but we all know or many of itv. but we all know or many of us know that once you have a long running programme or a theatrical production or any programme that they tend to develop their own culture within another culture. you've got itv , then you've got celebrity doing this over here, then, then you've got this morning doing that over there. and gradually these, these cultures can become

toxic, can become poisonous because they are close and free, febrile by their very nature. now there is another aspect to this. when for instance, and i use the example of the bbc here, when they started dismantling the bbc club system that they used to have, which was a very useful cross—fertilised tool where people talk to each other on a social level about issues. once you take that away and people aren't meeting across the different programmes that are being made , have we taken away being made, have we taken away some form of reference for people to actually dodi er these views totally informally without going through the management system? i'll start and then i'll nono— system? i'll start and then i'll nono ove— system? i'll start and then i'll nono io— system? i'll start and then i'll hand over to kevin— syr7 i'll start and then i'll hand over to kevin because of nroiweiione— hand over to kevin because of productions, but— hand over to kevin because of productions, but i— hand over to kevin because of productions, but i think we've oone— productions, but i think we've done ine— productions, but i think we've done the reverse. _ productions, but i think we've done the reverse. i think what we oio— done the reverse. i think what we iii ove— done the reverse. i think what we did over lockdown, which many neonie— we did over lockdown, which many neonie in— we did over lockdown, which many neonie in ine— we did over lockdown, which many people in the world— we did over lockdown, which many people in the world found very, verv— people in the world found very, verw oiiiiewii.— people in the world found very, very difficult, but— people in the world found very, very difficult, but people who were used to— very difficult, but people who were used to coming in every day one— were used to coming in every day one being— were used to coming in every day one being in— were used to coming in every day one being in o— were used to coming in every day and being in a buzzy culture and:— and being in a buzzy culture ono. wow— and being in a buzzy culture and, you know,— and being in a buzzy culture and, you know, with lots of

reon—noiee— and, you know, with lots of team—mates aukus, they found it noriiewioriw— team—mates aukus, they found it particularly difficult . we particularly difficult. we oeiwoiiw— particularly difficult. we actually did— particularly difficult. we actually did a huge number of ininge— actually did a huge number of things virtually— actually did a huge number of things virtually when we eowion-i— things virtually when we couldn't do— things virtually when we couldn't do them physically, and we, couldn't do them physically, and wow— couldn't do them physically, and wow know.— couldn't do them physically, and we, you know, we— couldn't do them physically, and we, you know, we would do a eoeioi— we, you know, we would do a social gathering.— we, you know, we would do a social gathering. so the neiworie— social gathering. so the networks were brilliant. they did networks were brilliant. they oio o— networks were brilliant. they it o ior— networks were brilliant. they it o ioi oi— networks were brilliant. they did a lot of cross— networks were brilliant. they did a lot of cross cross collaboration.- did a lot of cross cross collaboration. so if you were in the collaboration. so if you were in we iniroee— collaboration. so if you were in the embrace network, which is neonie— the embrace network, which is neonie oi— the embrace network, which is people of colour,— the embrace network, which is people of colour, if you were in ine— people of colour, if you were in the disability— people of colour, if you were in the disability network, if you in ine— the disability network, if you were in the women's network, the wee— were in the women's network, the inree oi— were in the women's network, the inree oi inen— were in the women's network, the three of them would get together and three of them would get together ono oo— three of them would get together one to o— three of them would get together one to o iig— three of them would get together and do a big event.— three of them would get together and do a big event. they'd get someone to come— and do a big event. they'd get someone to come in and talk oiowi— someone to come in and talk about mental— someone to come in and talk about mental health or they'd eonelono— about mental health or they'd come-and talk— about mental health or they'd come and talk adapting come in and talk about adapting to come in and talk about adapting io oiiiereni— come in and talk about adapting to different kinds— come in and talk about adapting to different kinds of life and everwone— to different kinds of life and everyone questions. everyone could ask questions. vow— everyone could ask questions. vow-oei— everyone could ask questions. you ask anonymous you could ask anonymous gweeiione— you could ask anonymous. questions,-follow questions, you could follow up oiierworoe. — questions, you could follow up oiierworoe. -o- questions, you could follow up afterwards. a whole afterwards. so we did a whole series-virtually.- afterwards. so we did a whole series virtually. so series of things virtually. so inere— series of things virtually. so there something most days there was something in most days inrowgn— there was something in most days through-believe- there was something in most days through-believe it- there was something in most days through believe it or there was something in most days throtsor believe it or there was something in most days throtso that believe it or there was something in most days throtso that people elieve it or there was something in most days throtso that people could it or not, so that people could eonneei ii— not, so that people could connect. it was- not, so that people could connect. it was very important for connect. it was very important ior we— connect. it was very important ior we io— connect. it was very important for us to make— connect. it was very important for us to make sure that people felt connected— for us to make sure that people felt connected to— for us to make sure that people felt connected to itv through ioeioown— felt connected to itv through ioeioown .— felt connected to itv through lockdown . and— felt connected to itv through lockdown . and the feedback on lockdown. and the feedback on inor— lockdown. and the feedback on no noe— lockdown. and the feedback on that has been— lockdown. and the feedback on that has been very, very noeiiive— that has been very, very noeiiive. i— that has been very, very positive. i did- that has been very, very positive. i did a podcast every eingie— positive. i did a podcast every eingie weei. — positive. i did a podcast every single week. people could ask me oireeiiw— single week. people could ask me directly questions— single week. people could ask me directly questions every single

week.— directly questions every single ween-ine— directly questions every single weeiline wow— directly questions every single week, the way through week, all the way through ioeioown— week, all the way through ioeioown .— week, all the way through lockdown , post lockdown. think lockdown, post lockdown. i think oeiwoiiw— lockdown, post lockdown. i think we've actually done more to we've actually done even more to ioee— we've actually done even more to ioee ioee— we've actually done even more to face face because— we've actually done even more to face face because we're all now in one— face face because we're all now in one building— face face because we're all now in one building in— face face because we're all now in one building in white city. so in one building in white city. so ine— in one building in white city. so the whole— in one building in white city. so the whole of— in one building in white city. so the whole of our london oiiieee— so the whole of our london oiiieee oe— so the whole of our london offices are now— so the whole of our london offices are now the first offices are now for the first rime.— offices are now for the first iine. i— offices are now for the first time, i think— offices are now for the first time, i think ever in one iwiioing— time, i think ever in one building white and time, i think ever in one- building-white-and so building in white city. and so we oo— building in white city. and so we to ininge— building in white city. and so we do things on— building in white city. and so we do things on a friday. we do nreviee— we do things on a friday. we do nreviee we— we do things on a friday. we do previews, we do,— we do things on a friday. we do previews, we do, we do . and we previews, we do, we do. and we ono— previews, we do, we do. and we ono ine— previews, we do, we do. and we and the networks— previews, we do, we do. and we and the networks do quite serious events. _ and the networks do quite serious events. so let's talk oiowi— serious events. so let's talk about bullying.— serious events. so let's talk about bullying. let's talk about iiie— about bullying. let's talk about inie. wnoi— about bullying. let's talk about this. what does— about bullying. let's talk about this. what does bullying look iivee— this. what does bullying look iivee wnoi— this. what does bullying look like? what does— this. what does bullying look like? what does you know, if wow-ve— like? what does you know, if wowve goi— like? what does you know, if wowve goi o— like? what does you know, if you've got a problem, what would you've got a problem, what would wow-wowio— you've got a problem, what would wow-wowio wow— you've got a problem, what would you .would you talk- you've got a problem, what would you would you talk how you who would you talk to? how wowio— you who would you talk to? how wowio-ioiie— you who would you talk to? how would-talk? we've- you who would you talk to? how would talk? we've got would you talk? we've got a ioioneeo— would you talk? we've got a balanced network, but innorioniiv- balanced network, but importantly, it's less formal. inere— importantly, it's less formal. inerelverw— importantly, it's less formal. there very informal ways that there is very informal ways that the there is very informal ways that ine—noniewior- there is very informal ways that the—particular to. the networks in particular to orgoniee— the networks in particular to organise-with- the networks in particular to organise with our funding organise events with our funding and organise events with our funding one win— organise events with our funding one win ow— organise events with our funding and with our support. thank you. inoni— and with our support. thank you. thank you. kevin. yeah, i think with production and again with in production and again being in one building really helps this, but there is a lot of movement actually between people working on one show and then going on working on then going on and working on another because as the periods that you might be engaged in on making a show are not necessarily not unlike this

morning or something, is morning or something, which is all year round. so some periods, nrogronnee— all year round. so some periods, some programmes-in| all year round. so some periods,i some programmes-in for some programmes just come in for a some programmes just come in for o—io— some programmes just come in for o—io noie— some programmes just come in for o—io noie ii— some programmes just come in for o—io noie i one- some programmes just come in for a to make it and then a few weeks to make it and then move-owi— a few weeks to make it and then move-nwi ine— a few weeks to make it and then move but the people all that move on. but the people all that inlnoie— move on. but the people all that come in make those shows have come in to make those shows have oiien— come in to make those shows have oiien worieo— come in to make those shows have often worked-shows. - come in to make those shows have often worked shows. so often worked on other shows. so were-e.— often worked on other shows. so inere-e.-inow.— often worked on other shows. so there's, - know, l lot - there's, you know, a lot of neonie— there's, you know, a lot of neonie know— there's, you know, a lot of people know-of- there's, you know, a lot of people know of people at people know a lot of people at iiv.— people know a lot of people at iiv. ano— people know a lot of people at iiv. one i— people know a lot of people at itv. and i think— people know a lot of people at itv. and i think think there itv. and i think i think there is itv. and i think i think there ie o— itv. and i think i think there ie o ewiiwre— itv. and i think i think there is a culture certainly that i've oi— is a culture certainly that i've seen of friendship across oiiiereni— seen of friendship across different departments . you know, different departments. you know, the entertainment— different departments. you know, the entertainment department is oivioweiw— the entertainment department is oivioweiw o— the entertainment department is obviously a huge— the entertainment department is obviously a huge group of people and obviously a huge group of people one inew— obviously a huge group of people ono inew inew— obviously a huge group of people and they they all— obviously a huge group of people and they they all work together and they they all work together ono ove— and they they all work together and move across— and they they all work together and move across from one show to onoiner. — and move across from one show to onoiner. eo— and move across from one show to onoiner. so i— and move across from one show to another. so i think— and move across from one show to another. so i think there is a lot another. so i think there is a ioi oi— another. so i think there is a lot of cross—fertilise about ininge.— lot of cross—fertilise about things. they'll— lot of cross—fertilise about things. they'll be talking eoeioiiw. — things. they'll be talking socially. you _ things. they'll be talking socially. you know, we're not ine— socially. you know, we're not the management— socially. you know, we're not the management is not necessarily— the management is not necessarily present for these conversations, _ necessarily present for these conversations, which is a good ining— conversations, which is a good ining ieeowee— conversations, which is a good thing because i— conversations, which is a good thing because i know exactly wnoi— thing because i know exactly wnoi-neon— thing because i know exactly what mean about the bbc what you mean about the bbc eiwie— what you mean about the bbc eiwie system-— what you mean about the bbc clubs system. so— what you mean about the bbc clubs system. so it's more ad noe— clubs system. so it's more ad noe ono— clubs system. so it's more ad hoc and informal— clubs system. so it's more ad hoc and informal ,- clubs system. so it's more ad hoc and informal, but i think inere— hoc and informal, but i think inere ie— hoc and informal, but i think inere ie o— hoc and informal, but i think there is a lot— hoc and informal, but i think there is a lot of— hoc and informal, but i think there is a lot of discussion onongei— there is a lot of discussion onongei oii— there is a lot of discussion amongst all members of staff wiri— amongst all members of staff wiin-oiner— amongst all members of staff with-other about- amongst all members of staff with other about what's with each other about what's going— with each other about what's going on— with each other about what's going on one— with each other about what's going on and -are - with each other about what's going on and are you finding going on and how are you finding it going on and how are you finding ii ove— going on and how are you finding ii inere— going on and how are you finding it over there and— going on and how are you finding it over there and all that. so so it over there and all that. so so wow— it over there and all that. so so wow wow— it over there and all that. so so wow wow ieii— it over there and all that. so so you you felt informed.- it over there and all that. so so you you felt informed. you felt like had finger felt like you had your finger on the only formally, the pulse, not only formally, but well. yeah, but

but socially as well. yeah, but did it come as a great surprise to you because it came as a huge surprise to me. the video lucrative outburst that came as a result of these this these disclosures, for instance , i'm disclosures, for instance, i'm eamonn holmes said in the tweet that schofield has finally been caught out, but he's not the only guilty for party high members of it management knew the sort of man he was and never once took to action prevent him controlling or taking advantage of young people. that's an extraordinary tweet to come out with, and i would imagine extremely damaging. you must have been surprised to receive that we didn't receive it. it was on twitter to see it. r: r: i c ”eec: c it was on twitter to see it. don't iooi— was on twitter to see it. don't iooi oi— was on twitter to see it. don't look at twitter— was on twitter to see it. don't look at twitter to— was on twitter to see it. don't look at twitter to see it. i inini— look at twitter to see it. i inini ii-e— look at twitter to see it. i think it's probably it's oeiwoiiw— think it's probably it's actually defamatory. never mind onwining— actually defamatory. never mind onwining eiee. — actually defamatory. never mind anything else. but— actually defamatory. never mind anything else. but of course, we wowion-i— anything else. but of course, we wowion-i eow— anything else. but of course, we wouldn't say that— anything else. but of course, we wouldn't say that because it wowio— wouldn't say that because it wowio twei— wouldn't say that because it would just inflame the situation.— would just inflame the situation. but kevin, i mean, nernone.—oon-i| perhaps, you know, i don't know. ioonn — perhaps, you know, i don't know. eamonn -there's- perhaps, you know, i don't know. eamonn -there's it's. eamonn i mean, there's it's worth an observation here that there's been a very vocal criticism of and the mention of

all this toxic culture and everything like this. and it's quite a few people who've got a platform now with a show elsewhere or a newspaper column or whatever it is, or just on twitter to have a big go. and it it just occurred to me the other day, actually, that a lot of these people there aren't a lot of them, but the few that there are, you know, they worked as presenters for a very presenters on itv for a very long time. some of them over ten years. there was never any complaint from them. whilst they were there. if they wanted anything, it was work. anything, it was more work. please, we love it here. can we do more? and then where? i have some. some sympathy for them is when you know presenters of programmes often have a sort of a slight feeling of divine right to stay there forever . and to stay there forever. and obviously itv is a company of producers of programmes, maybe have a different agenda and want to change and fresh, want to bnng to change and fresh, want to bring on new people. and so forth. and so it's only really

and this is why i do have sympathy for them when you have to have the difficult conversation of thank you very much. it's been really good. but actually we'd like you to do less. it's not very nice and i get that because this is their life they love it. they've never complained. they thoroughly enjoy it. and their response always is one of always is, is one of disappointment and oh, can't i stay, can't do anything. which is why honestly i tend almost never to just cut , but say, look never to just cut, but say, look , you've been. thank you very much for all the work you've been doing. you've been a great job. but we want to try other things. but don't we're not jealous in you. we just like you to do a bit less or maybe try and find something else for you as because there have as well, because there have been, generally speaking, loyal servants so they servants to itv and so they deserve to be treated properly like so but it's not like that. so but but it's not surprising, is it, that when they there is suddenly like, they go there is suddenly like, oh, i hate itv. it's awful when for you know, a decade or more

they were there reaping the rewards and enjoying the job and everybody seemed to get on. you're saying that this isn't inoieoiive— you're saying that this isn't indicative of— you're saying that this isn't indicative of a— you're saying that this isn't indicative of a pressure cooker iwiioing— indicative of a pressure cooker iwiioing wn— indicative of a pressure cooker building up. this— indicative of a pressure cooker building up. this is more to do wiin. — building up. this is more to do wiin. i— building up. this is more to do wiin. i ion-i— building up. this is more to do with. i don't see— building up. this is more to do with. i don't see that- building up. this is more to do with. i don't see that now. so. okay. thank with. i don't see that now. so. oiow. inoni wow. — with. i don't see that now. so. okay. thank you. i'll— okay. thank you. i'll leave it at okay. thank you. i'll leave it oi rig.— okay. thank you. i'll leave it at that. thank— okay. thank you. i'll leave it at that. thank you very much. inoni— at that. thank you very much. inoni wow— at that. thank you very much. inoni wow verw— at that. thank you very much. thank you very much. crsii thank you very much. can we keep the answers as pithy as possible? we've got quite a lot to cover today. thank you, jane. thank you. dame caroline . thank you. dame caroline. good morning.— thank you. dame caroline. good morning. none— thank you. dame caroline. good morning, dame carolyn, in your ieiier— morning, dame carolyn, in your ieiier io— morning, dame carolyn, in your ieiier io ine— morning, dame carolyn, in your letter to the committee, you ioii— letter to the committee, you ioii oiowi— letter to the committee, you talk about no— letter to the committee, you talk about no evidence of a relationship— talk about no evidence of a relationship beyond hearsay and . wnoi— relationship beyond hearsay and rumour . what where's that line rumour. what where's that line ieiween— rumour. what where's that line between actual— rumour. what where's that line between actual evidence and neoreow— between actual evidence and neoreow ono— between actual evidence and hearsay and rumour? what would you hearsay and rumour? what would wow nove— hearsay and rumour? what would you have accepted— hearsay and rumour? what would you have accepted as something noie— you have accepted as something wow.— you have accepted as something more? well, eamonn- you have accepted as something more? ii more? well, eamonn holmes had a starring role in the select committee hearing. we've got stephen committee hearing. we've got siennen-ine— committee hearing. we've got stephen-the former- committee hearing. we've got. stephen -the former labour stephen pound, the former labour mp, stephen pound, the former labour tin—eowee— stephen pound, the former labour tin—eowree. ono- stephen pound, the former labour mp, course, and emma mp, with us, of course, and emma went.— mp, with us, of course, and emma wetn-oi— mp, with us, of course, and emma webb,-of common- mp, with us, of course, and emma webb, of common sense webb, director of common sense soeieiw. — webb, director of common sense soeieiw. -eow— webb, director of common sense society. -say what's- society. can i just say what's iniwrioiing— society. can i just say what's infuriating-this?- society. can i just say what's infuriating this? the infuriating me about this? the enwg—oi- infuriating me about this? the enwg—oi eoroiwni smug complacency of carolyn iieeoii— smug complacency of carolyn weeoii ono— smug complacency of carolyn mccall and kevin— smug complacency of carolyn mccall and kevin lygo, who said we oio— mccall and kevin lygo, who said we did everything— mccall and kevin lygo, who said we did everything we could and we did everything we could and we roie— we did everything we could and we were told there— we did everything we could and we were told there was no

oiioir. — we were told there was no affair. there— we were told there was no affair. there was an affair, inew— affair. there was an affair, inew wee— affair. there was an affair, they were lying - affair. there was an affair, they were lying to and they were nreewnoiiw— they were lying to and they were nreewnoiiw-ior- they were lying to and they were presumably for months presumably lied to for months ono— presumably lied to for months ono nonine— presumably lied to for months and months and— presumably lied to for months and months and months. and it oion-i— and months and months. and it oion-i-io— and months and months. and it didn't-to them— and months and months. and it didn't to them that they didn't occur to them that they nigni— didn't occur to them that they nigni-iieo- didn't occur to them that they might-lied to. - didn't occur to them that they might lied to. these might be being lied to. these nigniw— might be being lied to. these highly-people- highly paid people. she's on ieo— highly paid people. she's on £55 million— highly paid people. she's on £35 million well, it's £3.5 million a year. well, it's oivioweiw— £3.5 million a year. well, it's oivioweiw-verw— £3.5 million a year. well, it's obviously very good obviously not very good at onoiweie. — obviously not very good at analysis. but— obviously not very good at analysis. i obviously not very good at- analysis. but look, i mean, the reality is i think that the word affairs was used in the plural, and that really cast a and that really does cast a different light on it. but i think slightly worries think what slightly worries me about most of about this and worries most of the and sensible people the sane and sensible people watching in the watching gb news is what in the name of all that's holy? is the government doing involving itself the country itself in this while the country is around about your itself in this while the country is andaround about your itself in this while the country is and iound about your itself in this while the country is and i thinkabout your itself in this while the country is and i think the it your itself in this while the country is and i think the reality is ears? and i think the reality is mps see this and think i can't wait to have a piece that. wait to have a piece of that. and they're making themselves look absolutely this is look absolutely stupid. this is not matter not a parliamentary matter really, but it's good really, is it? but it's good news gb news though. you news for gb news though. you know stephen news for gb news though. you know-stephen pound?- know what, stephen pound? you're so know what, stephen pound? you're eo eiever-inoi— know what, stephen pound? you're so clever-thatlwhat- so clever because that is what so clever because that is what so many of our viewers are neeeoging— so many of our viewers are neeeoging-inie- so many of our viewers are messaging this morning. and messaging with this morning. and reier— messaging with this morning. and reier eoiei— messaging with this morning. and peter said,icannot_ messaging with this morning. and peter said, cannot for the peter said, i cannot for the iiie— peter said, i cannot for the iiie oi— peter said, i cannot for the iiie oi ne— peter said, i cannot for the life of me understand parliament's- life of me understand parliament's role this issue. life of me understand parlianisit's role this issue. life of me understand parlianis saying, this issue. life of me understand parlianis saying, tsorry, ue. life of me understand parlianis saying, tsorry, but sharon is saying, i'm sorry, but iieiening— sharon is saying, i'm sorry, but iieiening io— sharon is saying, i'm sorry, but listening to carolyn mccall ioiow— listening to carolyn mccall today,-believe - listening to carolyn mccall today, believe her. today, i don't believe her. snee— today, i don't believe her. she's—tracks. today, i don't believe her.- she's_tracks. they today, i don't believe her.- sheturn-tracks. they today, i don't believe her.- sheturn a-tracks. they today, i don't believe her. sheturn a blind tracks. they today, i don't believe her. sheturn a blind eye.acks. they today, i don't believe her. sheturn a blind eye. the. they today, i don't believe her. sheturn a blind eye. the board did turn a blind eye. the board ono— did turn a blind eye. the board

one-nroioiiw— did turn a blind eye. the board and probably kept quiet and others probably kept quiet as and others probably kept quiet -oeignoone- and others probably kept quiet -oeignoone .- and others probably kept quiet as ignorance . emma as selective ignorance. emma went— as selective ignorance. emma weii wnoi— as selective ignorance. emma webb what do— as selective ignorance. emma webb what do you make of it all? i webb what do you make of it all? i neon— webb what do you make of it all? i iwei— webb what do you make of it all? i mean, just listening to them now:— i mean, just listening to them ineee— i mean, just listening to them now, these people are absolutely enoneieee— now, these people are absolutely enoneieee. — now, these people are absolutely shameless . the— now, these people are absolutely shameless . riri. ti now, these people are absolutely shameless. riri. t shameless. the equivocation is unbelievable . they're almost unbelievable. they're almost filibustering so as to say absolutely nothing at all. and i think stephen's absolutely right. we have so many things that need our attention right now. they need our time . they now. they need our time. they need our mental investment, things that we've discussed in previous weeks, like i like immigration. previous weeks, like i like immigration . and yet this is the immigration. and yet this is the thing that everybody's attention is on. however, i have to say, listening to this, i do think that they just they appear to be spineless . and for all of the spineless. and for all of the talk that you hear very often about safeguarding health and safety, that kind of thing, ultimately these people are responsible for what is essentially a safeguarding failure, it seems. yeah and they seem to be totally unwilling to accept any responsibility for that. and actually , if anything, that. and actually, if anything, and i don't really care about this as i say, i think we should

be talking about other things, but just listening to them speak, you can see the culture of a lack of accountability in action. everything is always eoneioow— action. everything is alwaysi somebody—yeah, somebody else's fault. yeah, inoi-e— somebody else's fault. yeah, that's-struck- somebody else's fault. yeah, that's struck pass somebody else's fault. yeah,- that's-struck-pass the that's what struck me. pass the iwei— that's what struck me. pass the iwei-i— that's what struck me. pass the iwei-i reoiiw— that's what struck me. pass the buck-i really loved- that's what struck me. pass the buck i really loved our buck and i really loved our innwi— buck and i really loved our input-former- buck and i really loved our- input-former-executive input from former bbc executive ieoger— input from former bbc executive ieoger-ieeowee- input from former bbc executive roger-because he- input from former bbc executive roger because he talked input from former bbc executive roger the because he talked input from former bbc executive roger the lack ecause he talked input from former bbc executive roger the lack ofiuse he talked input from former bbc executive roger the lack of power! talked input from former bbc executive roger the lack of power amongst about the lack of power amongst the about the lack of power amongst ine-ennioweee— about the lack of power amongst the-employees and- about the lack of power amongst the employees and the the younger employees and the ioei— the younger employees and the ioei oi— the younger employees and the lack of ability— the younger employees and the lack of ability to— the younger employees and the lack of ability to speak up . and lack of ability to speak up. and inen— lack of ability to speak up. and wen-ewr— lack of ability to speak up. and then-cut back— lack of ability to speak up. and then-cut back to— lack of ability to speak up. and then cut back to carolyn then we cut back to carolyn weeoii— then we cut back to carolyn. iieeoii—oiowi mccall, who was talking about the fantastic _ mccall, who was talking about the fantastic culture at itv wiin— the fantastic culture at itv with wonderful— the fantastic culture at itv with wonderful human resources, and with wonderful human resources, one on— with wonderful human resources, one on enoii— with wonderful human resources, and an email where youngsters enoii— and an email where youngsters can email directly— and an email where youngsters can email directly , de—man and can email directly, de—man and be can email directly, de—man and ie iieieneo— can email directly, de—man and be listened to— can email directly, de—man and be listened to . _ can email directly, de—man and be listened to . ' ail, ' ir: be listened to. absolutely. and i'm leonard dicaprio. i mean, this is ridiculous. the idea that she's going to read her own emails is nonsense. but on a par with these young, innocent people. there's the people. there's also the very, very individual very powerful individual presenters producers and presenters and producers and people level. and people at that level. and there's a real power imbalance there. think that is the there. i think that is the problem. i have to say, problem. similar i have to say, to what in parliament a few to what was in parliament a few years that power years ago. you had that power imbalance and people took advantage of it. but this this is embarrassing, talk is embarrassing, though. talk about backside. it about cover your backside. it really is. you're not convinced by ineir— really is. you're not convinced by their explanation- ”rial, you're not convinced by their explanation because ”rial, you're not convinced by tisayexplanation because ”rial, you're not convinced by tisay no, .anation because

”rial, you're not convinced by tisay no, because ziecause ”rial, you're not convinced by tisay no, because weause ”rial, you're not convinced by tisay no, because we were they say no, because we were roie— they say no, because we were roie-on— they say no, because we were told an investigation, told it was an investigation, sieve.— told it was an investigation, sieve. ano— told it was an investigation, steve. and she's— told it was an investigation, steve. and she's now changed ioei— steve. and she's now changed ioei-eoroiwn— steve. and she's now changed tack carolyn mccall to say, tack dame carolyn mccall to say, no, tack dame carolyn mccall to say, ii— tack dame carolyn mccall to say, ii eni— tack dame carolyn mccall to say, ii eni on— tack dame carolyn mccall to say, no, it wasn't an investigation. it no, it wasn't an investigation. ii-on— no, it wasn't an investigation. ii-on ongoing— no, it wasn't an investigation. it an ongoing review , an it was an ongoing review, an ongoing— it was an ongoing review, an ongoing-inoi-e- it was an ongoing review, an ongoing-that's just| it was an ongoing review, an- ongoing -that's just just ongoing review. that's just just absolute rubbish. i mean, basically , she's simply basically, she's just simply trying with any form trying to come up with any form of words to say. not me, guv. yeah, because the fact is, this inonnronri—wnieni inappropri relationship, which senoiieio— schofield admits was inappropri , it schofield admits was inappropri . ii-on— schofield admits was inappropri . ii-on wnoer— schofield admits was inappropri , it-on under the- schofield admits was inappropri , it on under the noses of , it went on under the noses of ine— , it went on under the noses of we ioee— , it went on under the noses of the boss class.— , it went on under the noses of the boss class. they asked him oiowi— the boss class. they asked him oiowi ii.— the boss class. they asked him oiowi ii. wo— the boss class. they asked him about it. no, it's— the boss class. they asked him about it. no, it's not true. oh, inoi-e— about it. no, it's not true. oh, inoi-e oiow— about it. no, it's not true. oh, that's okay, then. _ about it. no, it's not true. oh, that's okay, then. think if that's okay, then. i think if you— that's okay, then. i think if wow eowio— that's okay, then. i think if you could slap— that's okay, then. i think if you could slap a fashionable noeniog— you could slap a fashionable noeniog-iiie- you could slap a fashionable hashtag like hashtag me hashtag on this like hashtag me too:— hashtag on this like hashtag me ioo. inen— hashtag on this like hashtag me ioo. inen inew— hashtag on this like hashtag me too, then they would be. iri, too, then they would be. they wowii— too, then they would be. they would completely change their tune. if this was young woman. tune. if this was a young woman. i reckon that the sort of stuff that saying would that they would be saying would be different. be entirely different. they would absolutely flustering would be absolutely flustering themselves to try and make amends for what has happened rather than trying to cover their tracks rather than trying to cover theirtracks. do rather than trying to cover their tracks . do you think so? their tracks. do you think so? so their tracks. do you think so? so in— their tracks. do you think so? so in inor— their tracks. do you think so? so in no in— their tracks. do you think so? so in that in that— . t do you think so? so in that in that respect, you you— so in that in that respect, you wow wno— so in that in that respect, you wow wno oe— so in that in that respect, you wow wno ii— so in that in that respect, you you who was it who was saying iiie— you who was it who was saying inie ie— you who was it who was saying inie ie iiie— you who was it who was saying this is this is— you who was it who was saying this is this is slightly homophobic. somebody quite nwiiiee— homophobic. somebody quite public? reon.— homophobic. somebody quite public? yeah. was it it was iniiiin—

public? yeah. was it it was phillip schofield himself . c phillip schofield himself. it veon— phillip schofield himself. it was. yeah. and— phillip schofield himself. it was. yeah. and also- phillip schofield himself. c was. yeah. and also i've tried to block all this out of my mind. great timing, by the way, were — mind. great timing, by the way, inere. veon— mind. great timing, by the way, were veon. i— mind. great timing, by the way, there. yeah, i know.- mind. great timing, by the way, there. yeah, i know. did- ir: great timing, by the way, there. iv/rirsi i “j r: there. yeah, i know. did you like that? he was saying if this was a man, an older— c cirsic7 he was saying if this was a man, an older man with a wownger— was a man, an older man with a wownger wonon— was a man, an older man with a wownger ii— was a man, an older man with a younger woman, it wouldn't be given— younger woman, it wouldn't be given iiie— younger woman, it wouldn't be given this same— younger woman, it wouldn't be given this same attention he was eowing. — given this same attention he was eowing. ne— given this same attention he was eowing. we eoio— given this same attention he was saying. he said it's— given this same attention he was saying. he said it's only reeeiving— saying. he said it's only- receiving—because receiving this attention because it-relationship_ receiving this attention because it relationship with it was a relationship with a wownger— it was a relationship with a wownger-veon- it was a relationship with a younger iv/rirsii it was a relationship with a- younger-yeah, well, can i younger man. yeah, well, can i step there? i think that is step in there? i think that is absurd. phillip schofield was married at time with married at the time with children and image, children and his image, his whole and whole strawberries and cream image was happily married. image on tv was happily married. family so that's why family man. so that's why there's been a great furore about this because it was a lie. i think had it been a young woman, a woman under age, then it woman, a woman under age, then i eerioiniw— woman, a woman under age, then it certainly would _ woman, a woman under age, then it certainly would have been a eron.— it certainly would have been a eiorw. ii— it certainly would have been a eiorv. ii wowio— it certainly would have been a story. it would without any story. it would have without any gweeiion— story. it would have without any question-course,— story. it would have without any question. course, wasn't question. of course, it wasn't wnoer— question. of course, it wasn't wnoer oge. — question. of course, it wasn't wnoer oge. we— question. of course, it wasn't under age. we do- question. of course, it wasn't under age. �*fvi�*ri ririr cc i under age. we do still know when he met him, wasn't he? he he first met him, wasn't he? he wasn't age. still met wasn't under age. i still met him he was 15. yeah, but he him when he was 15. yeah, but he came him when he was 15. yeah, but he io— him when he was 15. yeah, but he io work— him when he was 15. yeah, but he came to work at— him when he was 15. yeah, but he came to work at itv— him when he was 15. yeah, but he came to work at itv at— him when he was 15. yeah, but he came to work at itv at 80,- came to work at itv at 80, rignie— came to work at itv at 80, rignie veon— came to work at itv at 80, right? yeah and- came to work at itv at 80, right? yeah and we don't know wnen— right? yeah and we don't know wnen ii— right? yeah and we don't know when it started. _ right? yeah and we don't know when it started. yeah but irrespective _ when it started. yeah but irrespective of- when it started. yeah but irrespective of that power ownonie— irrespective of that power dynamic-have- irrespective of that power dynamic-have wrapped irrespective of that power dyrinnic-have wrapped irrespective of that power dyrin the-have wrapped irrespective of that power dyrin the metoorave wrapped irrespective of that power dyrin the metoo narrative wrapped irrespective of that power dyrin the metoo narrative if rapped irrespective of that power dyrin the metoo narrative if itpped up in the metoo narrative if it noo— up in the metoo narrative if it noi-wonon.- up in the metoo narrative if it noi-wonon. - up in the metoo narrative if it had-woman. yes,- up in the metoo narrative if it. had-woman. yes, that's had been a woman. yes, that's

right.— had been a woman. yes, that's rigni. a— had been a woman. yes, that's right. a boy. yeah, right. we've to wrap up for now, we've got to wrap it up for now, guys- — we've got to wrap it up for now, gwwe. eorrw— we've got to wrap it up for now, gwwe. sorrw oiowi— we've got to wrap it up for now, guys. sorry about that. in guys. sorry about that. but in ine— guys. sorry about that. but in ine-iew— guys. sorry about that. but in ine-iew-we-rei the next few moments, we're going— the next few moments, we're going io— the next few moments, we're going to rewin— the next few moments, we're going to return to this this extraordinary—

it's 11:00 on wednesday. the it's11:00 on wednesday. the 14th of june. this it's 11:00 on wednesday. the 14th of june. this is- it's 11:00 on wednesday. the 14th of june. this is the- c “ 00 riri �*fvi�*rir: : the 14th of june. this is the point on en— 14th of june. this is the point on on wewe— 14th of june. this is the point on gb news with— 14th of june. this is the point on gb news with bev turner and andrew. — on gb news with bev turner and andrew. tributes— on gb news with bev turner and andrew. tributes are pouring in eiiii— andrew. tributes are pouring in eiiii ior— andrew. tributes are pouring in eiiii ior ine— andrew. tributes are pouring in still for the victims of the woiiingnon— still for the victims of the nottingham attacks. c, nottingham attacks. the family of barnaby weber in a very moving statement, say he was

beautiful and brilliant and thrilled make university thrilled to make the university cricket they are cricket team. they say they are bereft beyond belief. grace kumar was an : grace kumar was an england hockey niowen— kumar was an england hockey playerv ine— kumar was an england hockey player, the governing body of the player, the governing body of we enon— player, the governing body of we enori noe— player, the governing body of the sport has paid tribute. were— the sport has paid tribute. were going— the sport has paid tribute. we're going to— the sport has paid tribute. we're going to be live in woiiingnon— we're going to be live in nottingham this morning for the ioieei— nottingham this morning for the ioieeiline— nottingham this morning for the latest the investigation . latest on the investigation. ani— latest on the investigation. wno iiie— latest on the investigation. and this and— latest on the investigation. and this and the— latest on the investigation. and this and the schofield saga. it's well and truly at westminster. the bosses of itv are being quizzed as we speak by mps about whether they conducted a proper investigation into phillip schofield inappropriate relationship with a much younger employee . let us know what you employee. let us know what you think on all of our stories this morning. gb views at gb news .com. you weren't— ig gb views at gb news .com. you weren't terribly innreeeeo— .com. you weren't terribly impressed with. c impressed with. i wasn't oeiwoiiw— impressed with. i wasn't oeiwoiiw .— impressed with. i wasn't actually . because look, some actually. because look, some people watching this are thinking what's to do thinking what's it got to do with the fact is mps with mps? but the fact is mps are talking about this. carolyn mccall, the chief executive, says asked schofield says we asked phillip schofield if rumours this if this the rumours of this relationship he said

relationship were true. he said they asked young they weren't. we asked the young man said they man in question said they weren't. was it. then did weren't. that was it. then did they ask anybody else? they asked i think i could have they ask anybody else? they asked a i think i could have they ask anybody else? they asked a biti think i could have they ask anybody else? they asked a bit ofiink i could have they ask anybody else? they asked a bit of information. ve given a bit of information. right. let us know what you inni— right. let us know what you inini. nwr— right. let us know what you think. but first— right. let us know what you think. but first of all, here is wow— think. but first of all, here is wowr ioieei— think. but first of all, here is your latest news— think. but first of all, here is your latest news with tatiana sonenee— your latest news with tatiana sonenee .— your latest news with tatiana sonenee . — your latest news with tatiana sanchez . beth,— your latest news with tatiana sanchez . your latest news with tatiana sanchez. your latest news with tatiana sanchez . einioe/i sanchez. beth, thank you very much. and good morning. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. itv bosses say both phillip schofield and his younger lover repeatedly denied allegations of a relationship until the former this morning presenter's exit from the broadcaster . ceo from the broadcaster. ceo carolyn mccall is being questioned about itv's approach to safeguarding employees following the scandal. schofield quit after admitting he had an affair with a young male colleague, which he described as unwise but not illegal. itv bosses also say they do not recognise claims of toxic culture at this morning. dame carolyn says she's still in touch with schofield and he's receiving counselling with

evidence. we would have been oiiie— evidence. we would have been oiie io— evidence. we would have been able to launch— evidence. we would have been able to launch a— c7 we would have been able to launch a formal investigation- able to launch a formal investigation because the inioionee— investigation because the imbalance of— investigation because the imbalance of power, the imbalance— imbalance of power, the imbalance in— imbalance of power, the imbalance in in of dynamics in inor— imbalance in in of dynamics in that relationship— imbalance in in of dynamics in that relationship makes it oeeniw— that relationship makes it deeply inappropriate . but we deeply inappropriate. but we worked— deeply inappropriate. but we worked verw— deeply inappropriate. but we worked verw .— deeply inappropriate. but we worked very , very hard for many, worked very, very hard for many, nonw— worked very, very hard for many, nonw noniie— worked very, very hard for many, many months, in— worked very, very hard for many, many months, in fact, until reeeniiw— many months, in fact, until reeeniiw io— many months, in fact, until recently to ask— many months, in fact, until recently to ask people, not just iniiiin— recently to ask people, not just phillip schofield _ recently to ask people, not just phillip schofield and person x, but phillip schofield and person x, iwi neonie— phillip schofield and person x, iwi neonie in— phillip schofield and person x, but people in production if they had but people in production if they not ii— but people in production if they not ii inew— but people in production if they had if they knew— but people in production if they had if they knew something was going— had if they knew something was going on— had if they knew something was going on one— had if they knew something was going on one ii— had if they knew something was going on and it was repeatedly oenieo— going on and it was repeatedly denied by— going on and it was repeatedly denied by both— going on and it was repeatedly denied by both individuals. going on and it was repeatedly denied by both individuals . denied by both individuals. the ioniiw— denied by both individuals. the ioniiw oi— denied by both individuals. the ioniiw oi one— denied by both individuals. the family of one of— denied by both individuals. the family of one of the— denied by both individuals. the family of one of the teenagers stabbed to death in nottingham say complete devastation isn't enough to describe their pain . enough to describe their pain. 19 year old barnaby weber was killed , along with grace kumar, killed, along with grace kumar, who's been named locally. both were said to be popular and talented sports people. a man in his 50s was also killed. the force believes his van was

stolen and used to target other people. a 31 year old man is still being questioned by police who are trying to establish a motive . stronger trade at bars, motive. stronger trade at bars, pubs and shops has helped the economy return to growth. the latest figures show it expanded by 0.2% in april. rikki neave hiring from a 0.3% fall the previous month . the office for previous month. the office for national statistics says the positive impact of improved hospital and retail spending was offset by industrial action, hitting other sectors. chancellor jeremy hitting other sectors. chancellorjeremy hunt has chancellor jeremy hunt has welcomed the data , but admits welcomed the data, but admits more work needs to be done. today's figures confirm what the oecd said last week. the imf said that last— oecd said last week. the imf said that last month- o c") r: the imf said that last month the bank of ingiono— said that last month the bank of england themselves have said inor— england themselves have said no inere— england themselves have said that there is— england themselves have said that there is underlying a resilience— that there is underlying a resilience in— that there is underlying a resilience in the british eeonornw— resilience in the british economy and- resilience in the british economy and of course that's noeiiive— economy and of course that's noeiiive. owi— economy and of course that's positive. but we _ economy and of course that's positive. but we still have a big— positive. but we still have a big ieewe— positive. but we still have a big issue with— positive. but we still have a big issue with inflation. that is big issue with inflation. that ie ine— big issue with inflation. that is the number— big issue with inflation. that is the number one challenge we ioee. — is the number one challenge we ioee. we— is the number one challenge we ioee. we nove— is the number one challenge we face. we have to— is the number one challenge we face. we have to do— is the number one challenge we face. we have to do everything we can as a government and as a we can as a government and as a

eownirw— we can as a government and as a eownirw io— we can as a government and as a eownirw io ewnnori— we can as a government and as a country to support the bank of ingiono— country to support the bank of ingiono in— country to support the bank of england in their— country to support the bank of england in their mission to egeee— england in their mission to squeeze inflation out of the eweien. — squeeze inflation out of the eweien. ano— squeeze inflation out of the system. and that is our primary ioewe— system. and that is our primary ioewe . — system. and that is our primary focus . thousands— system. and that is our primary focus . thousands of- system. and that is our primary focus . : \r focus. thousands of nhs appointments and operations are being affected by a junior doctors strike in england. union members have walked off the job for 72 hours over an ongoing pay dispute. the british medical association is asking for a full rest iteration of pay, which it says has seen a 26% cut. but they've so far rejected a 5% offer. bma chair philip banfield says they deserve more for the value of their pay has gone down. we've got junior doctors gwoiiiwing— down. we've got junior doctors now qualifying and— : we've got junior doctors now qualifying and being paid just now qualifying and being paid iwei iii— now qualifying and being paid rwei iii on— now qualifying and being paid just £14 an hour— now qualifying and being paid just £14 an hour and yet they nove— just £14 an hour and yet they nove wn— just £14 an hour and yet they nove wn io— just £14 an hour and yet they have up to £100,000 worth of oeiw— have up to £100,000 worth of oeii ono— have up to £100,000 worth of debt and we're— have up to £100,000 worth of debt and we're asking the government— debt and we're asking the government to— debt and we're asking the government to recognise that iron— government to recognise that iron in— government to recognise that iron in voiwe— government to recognise that drop in value and therefore to reeorei— drop in value and therefore to reeorei ine— drop in value and therefore to restore the value— drop in value and therefore to restore the value of their pay. ano— restore the value of their pay. one i— restore the value of their pay. and it doesn't— restore the value of their pay. and it doesn't seem unreasonable at and it doesn't seem unreasonable oi oii— and it doesn't seem unreasonable oi oii io— and it doesn't seem unreasonable oi oii io oei— and it doesn't seem unreasonable at all to ask for— and it doesn't seem unreasonable at all to ask for £19— and it doesn't seem unreasonable at all to ask for £19 an hour ineieoo— at all to ask for £19 an hour ineieoo oi— at all to ask for £19 an hour instead of £14— at all to ask for £19 an hour instead of £14 an- at all to ask for £19 an hour

instead of £14 an hour for the evneriiee— instead of £14 an hour for the evneriiee inor— instead of £14 an hour for the expertise that they bring . expertise that they bring. snoiow— expertise that they bring. shadow health— expertise that they bring. shadow health secretary wes streeting says labour would be willing to negotiate if it were in power. i've said to the junior doctors quite honestly, look , you know, if i said i was look, you know, if i said i was going to deliver 35% overnight, you shouldn't believe me. look at the state of the public- at the state of the public iinoneee— at the state of the public finances and— at the state of the public finances and i'm not going to be oi— finances and i'm not going to be oi inoee— finances and i'm not going to be one of those politicians who eowe— one of those politicians who eowe one— one of those politicians who eowe ining— one of those politicians who says one thing before an eieeiion— says one thing before an election,-lets- says one thing before an election, lets people down election, then lets people down oiierworoe. —io| afterwards. we'd be willing to negoiioie— afterwards. we'd be willing to. negoiioie—iwoge negotiate and people can judge us negotiate and people can judge we on-reeoro.— negotiate and people can judge us on record. when we were us on our record. when we were ioei— us on our record. when we were ioei in— us on our record. when we were last in government,— us on our record. when we were last in government, we got the eeonornw— last in government, we got the economy-which- last in government, we got the economy which meant we economy growing, which meant we eowio— could invest in our public eervieee— could invest in our public eervieee ono— could invest in our public services and without hiking services and pay without hiking up services and pay without hiking wn—inie- services and pay without hiking wn—inie ie- services and pay without hiking wn—inie ie gbi up people's taxes. this is gb wewe. — up people's taxes. this is gb wewe. woii— up people's taxes. this is gb news. we'll bring- up people's taxes. this is gb news. �*fvi�*ri cc ig up people's taxes. this is gb news. cc ir: up people's taxes. this is gb- news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now, though, it's back to andrew and . bev back to andrew and. bev thank you for joining back to andrew and. bev thank you forjoining us back to andrew and. bev thank you for joining us this morning. now, if you were with us morning. now, if you were with we weeieriow— morning. now, if you were with we yesterday wow— morning. now, if you were with us yesterday, you will- ig now, if you were with us yesterday, you will have been on ine— us yesterday, you will have been on we eige— us yesterday, you will have been on we eoge oi— us yesterday, you will have been on the edge of your— us yesterday, you will have been on the edge of your seat. it was owiwi— on the edge of your seat. it was awful yesterday _ on the edge of your seat. it was awful yesterday as— on the edge of your seat. it was awful yesterday as we saw news wnroveiiing— awful yesterday as we saw news unravelling from _ awful yesterday as we saw news unravelling from nottingham

oiowi— unravelling from nottingham oiowi ine— unravelling from nottingham about the murder of two young neonie.— about the murder of two young neonie. i9— about the murder of two young neonie. re weor— about the murder of two young people, 19 year old students. we know— people, 19 year old students. we now know grace— people, 19 year old students. we now know grace kumar and barnaby weiier. — now know grace kumar and barnaby weiier. inew— now know grace kumar and barnaby webber. they were _ now know grace kumar and barnaby webber. they were named today. they— webber. they were named today. inew wee— webber. they were named today. inew iwo — webber. they were named today. they were two of— webber. they were named today. they were two of the victims in the they were two of the victims in we oiioeie— they were two of the victims in the attacks in— they were two of the victims in the attacks in nottingham in the eoriw— the attacks in nottingham in the eoriw nowe— the attacks in nottingham in the early hours yesterday morning. a non— early hours yesterday morning. a in— early hours yesterday morning. a in nie— early hours yesterday morning. a man in his 505— early hours yesterday morning. a man in his 505 was- early hours yesterday morning. a man in his 505 was also- a man in his 50s was also killed, with police believing the suspect stole his van and used it to drive into three members of the public. he has now been as ian coates. now been named as ian coates. he's a 31 year old man, is in custody. police he's a 31 year old man, is in custody . police are currently custody. police are currently noi— custody. police are currently noi iooiing— custody. police are currently not looking for— custody. police are currently not looking for any- t: police are currently not looking for any further eweneeie. — not looking for any further eweneeie. -io - not looking for any further suspects. to home suspects. let's go to home eeewriiw. — suspects. let's go to home security. mark— suspects. let's go to home security. mark white now, who is in woiiingnon— security. mark white now, who is in nottingham this morning. so we iinoiiw— in nottingham this morning. so we finally have— in nottingham this morning. so we finally have a— in nottingham this morning. so we finally have a name to put to iiie— we finally have a name to put to the geniienon— we finally have a name to put to this gentleman as— we finally have a name to put to this gentleman as well, mark, inor— this gentleman as well, mark, inoi wno— this gentleman as well, mark, that who lost— this gentleman as well, mark, that who lost his— this gentleman as well, mark, that who lost his life. what eiee— that who lost his life. what eiee oo— that who lost his life. what eiee to we— that who lost his life. what else do we know ? iv/ris that who lost his life. what else do we know .7 v4.3.5. that who lost his life. what else do we know ? iv/ris else do we know? yes, he's not been formally named by police at this stage, but gb news understands that he is school caretaker ian coates , who was caretaker ian coates, who was stabbed to death on magdala road and his white van stolen that

location was later used to drive down here in milton street, right in nottingham city centre. we're knocked down three pedestrians. one of those pedestrians. one of those pedestrians is still in a critical condition in hospital today. we've been getting some reaction through from the families of those individuals who died . we've been hearing who died. we've been hearing from the family of that young man , the aspiring young man, the aspiring young cricketer, barnaby webber, who say that he was just a wonderful young man with his life ahead of him. in a statement, they say complete devastation is not enough to describe our pain and loss at the senseless murder of our son, barnaby philip. john webber was a beautiful, brilliant , webber was a beautiful, brilliant, bright young man with

everything to look forward to . a everything to look forward to. a talented and passionate cricketer who was over the moon to have made selection to his university cricket team . at 19, university cricket team. at 19, he was just at the start of his journey into adulthood and was developing into a wonderful young man as parents, we are enormously proud of everything he achieved and all the plans he had made . his brother is bereft had made. his brother is bereft beyond belief and at this time we ask for the privacy see for the family to be allowed time to process and to grieve. and we also understand that grace kumar, the other student, 19 year old grace kumar, who was walking home with her young student friend at that time when they were attacked and stabbed to death . we understand that her to death. we understand that her father is a gp in london, that

he himars self had saved the lives of three teenagers back in 2008 who'd been stabbed near his surgery in chingford , a doctor surgery in chingford, a doctor who also worked alongside the police at times as an on call police at times as an on call police surgeon who was required to attend a police station on numerous occasions. so someone who's seen up close the devastating effects of knife crime, knife crime and, of course, now coming to terms with the news that his daughter anna, was stabbed to death here in the early hours of yesterday morning. a little earlier, i was also speaking to an eyewitness as ross murphy , he who was here as ross murphy, he who was here yesterday morning. he just got off a bus, was heading to the local gym when he heard the sound of that van hitting

pedestrians and saw one of those badly injured . and this is what badly injured. and this is what he told us. i came off the 36 bus, about 50 yards that way , as bus, about 50 yards that way, as i did, heard a loud bang . i i did, heard a loud bang. i thought nothing of it- thought nothing of it really . thought nothing of it really. ano— thought nothing of it really. ano inere-e— thought nothing of it really. and there's plenty of people oiowi— and there's plenty of people oiowi iiie— and there's plenty of people about this time— and there's plenty of people about this time in the morning, i about this time in the morning, i woiieo— about this time in the morning, i walked towards— about this time in the morning, i walked towards mcdonald's for a i walked towards mcdonald's for o gwiei— i walked towards mcdonald's for o gwiei eoiieo— i walked towards mcdonald's for a quick coffee, as— i walked towards mcdonald's for a quick coffee, as i— i walked towards mcdonald's for a quick coffee, as i usually do ieiore— a quick coffee, as i usually do ieiore i— a quick coffee, as i usually do ieiore i go— a quick coffee, as i usually do ieiore i go io— a quick coffee, as i usually do before i go to the— a quick coffee, as i usually do before i go to the gym . and i before i go to the gym. and i saw some dodi— before i go to the gym. and i saw some dodi lying half off, noii— saw some dodi lying half off, noii oii— saw some dodi lying half off, noii oii ine— saw some dodi lying half off, half off the road— saw some dodi lying half off, half off the road and pavement onnoeiie— half off the road and pavement opposite mcdonald's and i'd eiiii— opposite mcdonald's and i'd still thought— opposite mcdonald's and i'd still thought nothing of it ieee— still thought nothing of it because as— still thought nothing of it because as there's a lot of neonie— because as there's a lot of neonie iiie— because as there's a lot of people like beggars . et cetera. people like beggars. et cetera. in people like beggars. et cetera. in iiie— people like beggars. et cetera. in inie oieo— people like beggars. et cetera. in this area in— people like beggars. et cetera. in this area in the— people like beggars. et cetera. in this area in the morning i inowgni— in this area in the morning i thought somebody had just eoiioneeo— thought somebody had just eoiioneeo .— thought somebody had just collapsed . but— thought somebody had just collapsed . but anyway, i went in collapsed. but anyway, i went in wenonoio-e— collapsed. but anyway, i went in mcdonald's and— collapsed. but anyway, i went in mcdonald's and nobody in there inowgni— mcdonald's and nobody in there inowgni nwen— mcdonald's and nobody in there thought much about it. and then oiowi— thought much about it. and then oiowi .— thought much about it. and then oiowi . rive— thought much about it. and then about . five minutes later, about. five minutes later, i inini— about. five minutes later, i inini ie— about. five minutes later, i think is liam,— about. five minutes later, i think is liam, one of the

cleaners said— think is liam, one of the cleaners said there's been a hit one— cleaners said there's been a hit one wn— cleaners said there's been a hit one . — cleaners said there's been a hit and run . well,— cleaners said there's been a hit and run . well, we're- cleaners said there's been a hit and run . �*fvi�*ricc ”iii: crirr: and run. well, we're told that the suspect is still being questioned by police at this houn questioned by police at this hour. we are told that he's a 31 year old west african migrant who's been living here in the uk for more than a decade now. he is apparently known to police, but we're told that he doesn't have a criminal record. but there are indicators of violence and mental health issues. in the past . of course, questions now past. of course, questions now will be asked about whether any of the issues surrounding this individual are those points of concern were flagged up to authorities in advance of the terrible events in the early hours of yesterday morning . hours of yesterday morning. thank you , mark. mark white, thank you, mark. mark white, inere— thank you, mark. mark white, inere in— thank you, mark. mark white, there in nottingham.- mark white, there in nottingham. so city eoning— there in nottingham. so city eoning io— there in nottingham. so city coming to terms— there in nottingham. so city coming to terms with the ierriiie— coming to terms with the terrible and— coming to terms with the terrible and terrible murders .

terrible and terrible murders. inree— terrible and terrible murders. inree neonie— terrible and terrible murders. three people dead— terrible and terrible murders. three people dead and- terrible and terrible murders. three people dead and there still somebody critically ill in hospital. it'sjust still somebody critically ill in hospital. it's just awful and a school caretaker awful awful. i feel really moved by this story, as feel really moved by this story, oe i-ve— feel really moved by this story, oe i-ve eoiei— feel really moved by this story, oe i-ve eoio. i— feel really moved by this story, as i've said. i mean, we were on air as i've said. i mean, we were on oir weeiereiow— as i've said. i mean, we were on oir yesterday owi— as i've said. i mean, we were on air yesterday, but my son is 19. new— air yesterday, but my son is 19. new ie— air yesterday, but my son is 19. new be ine— air yesterday, but my son is 19. he'll be the same— air yesterday, but my son is 19. he'll be the same school year as ineee— he'll be the same school year as ineee iwo. — he'll be the same school year as ineee iwo. ano— he'll be the same school year as these two. and it— he'll be the same school year as these two. and it could so eoeiiw— these two. and it could so eoeiiw. veon— these two. and it could so easily. yeah. be- these two. and it could so easily. yeah. be any teenagers ono— easily. yeah. be any teenagers one we— easily. yeah. be any teenagers and we understand a guy with nenioi— and we understand a guy with mental health— and we understand a guy with mental health issues and we neniioneo— mental health issues and we mentioned we— mental health issues and we mentioned we touched upon it weeieroow— mentioned we touched upon it weeieroow ine— mentioned we touched upon it yesterday the mental health eervieee— yesterday the mental health eervieee in— yesterday the mental health services in this— yesterday the mental health services in this country are ewneniiw— services in this country are currently broken. there are so iew— currently broken. there are so few facilities— currently broken. there are so few facilities for— currently broken. there are so few facilities for people who need — few facilities for people who need nein. — few facilities for people who need nein. we— few facilities for people who need help. we still don't know the need help. we still don't know we noiivee— need help. we still don't know the motives-but- need help. we still don't know the motives-but of- need help. we still don't know the motives c trir. the motives yet. but of course, the motives yet. but of course, the police will questioning the police will be questioning for a very long time. well, also, story today is itv also, the big story today is itv . their chief executive, dame carolyn mccall. she's been in the hot seat . she's before the the hot seat. she's before the department of culture, media and sport select committee. they're asking whether there was a failure of duty of care over the young employee who phillip schofield had a relationship with, which he, in his own admission when he resigned,

admitted was inappropriate. but what do you make of it so far? i think we're going back to here, carolyn. we're just waiting for inor— carolyn. we're just waiting for no inor— carolyn. we're just waiting for no no io— carolyn. we're just waiting for that that to come— citric, i we're just waiting for that that to come up, i think. ano— that that to come up, i think. and succession,— that that to come up, i think. and succession, people kind of roie— and succession, people kind of roie oiowi— and succession, people kind of joke about internal investigations . oi joke about internal- investigations . oh, they can joke about internal— investigations . oh, they can be investigations. oh, they can be used for many purposes. is tv. i'm afraid that's fiction.- i'm afraid that's fiction. true. owi— i'm afraid that's fiction. true. nwi we-ii— i'm afraid that's fiction. true. nwi we-ii gei— i'm afraid that's fiction. true. but we'll get on— i'm afraid that's fiction. true. but we'll get on to— i'm afraid that's fiction. true. but we'll get on to the- i'm afraid that's fiction. true. but we'll get on to the facts and faction and reality are all the facts. so we take we take all complaints— the facts. so we take we take all complaints very- t so we take we take all complaints very seriously, wneiner— all complaints very seriously, whether they're _ all complaints very seriously, whether they're raised informally— whether they're raised informally or formally , whether informally or formally, whether inew-re— informally or formally, whether inew-re roieeei— informally or formally, whether they're raised. we've got very eieor— they're raised. we've got very clear grievance _ they're raised. we've got very clear grievance procedures and now— clear grievance procedures and now ininge— clear grievance procedures and how things need— clear grievance procedures and how things need to be handled, oieeiniinorw— how things need to be handled, disciplinary procedures. so if someone raises— disciplinary procedures. so if someone raises an issue iniernoiiw— someone raises an issue iniernoiiw .— someone raises an issue internally . and it will be internally. and it will be assessed by— internally. and it will be assessed by hr or your own hr oenonneni— assessed by hr or your own hr oenorineni or— assessed by hr or your own hr department or an— assessed by hr or your own hr department or an independent like department or an independent iiie iiie— department or an independent iiie inie ie— department or an independent like this is a— department or an independent like this is a oc— department or an independent like this is a qc in the first ireionee— like this is a qc in the first instance, to— like this is a qc in the first instance, to just- like this is a qc in the first instance, to just ascertain the ioeie. — instance, to just ascertain the ioeie. ii— instance, to just ascertain the facts. if someone— instance, to just ascertain the facts. if someone raises an ieewe— facts. if someone raises an ono— facts. if someone raises an one on— facts. if someone raises an issue and an hr- facts. if someone raises an issue and an hr related issue , issue and an hr related issue, gn— issue and an hr related issue, nie reon— issue and an hr related issue, our hr team will— issue and an hr related issue, our hr team will assess the ioeie— our hr team will assess the ioeie .— our hr team will assess the ioeie . inew— our hr team will assess the facts . they will— our hr team will assess the facts . they will then work out facts. they will then work out wneiner— facts. they will then work out wneiner ii-e— facts. they will then work out whether it's something that

wnere— whether it's something that wnere we — whether it's something that where we need— whether it's something that where we need a formal investigation— where we need a formal investigation into it . if we investigation into it. if we nove— investigation into it. if we nove o— investigation into it. if we have a formal— investigation into it. if we have a formal investigation, oenenoing— have a formal investigation, oenenoing on— have a formal investigation, depending on the facts, not in everw— depending on the facts, not in even owi— depending on the facts, not in every case, but in— depending on the facts, not in every case, but in many cases, wnoi— every case, but in many cases, wnoi we— every case, but in many cases, wnoi we wiii— every case, but in many cases, what we will do— every case, but in many cases, what we will do is— every case, but in many cases, what we will do is ensure that ine— what we will do is ensure that the investigating— what we will do is ensure that the investigating manager so a senior manager within itv is inowgni— senior manager within itv is irowgni in.— senior manager within itv is brought in, but— senior manager within itv is brought in, but from outside the various outside— brought in, but from outside the various outside the relevant oenorineni. — various outside the relevant department. so,— various outside the relevant department. so, for example , in department. so, for example, in oi— department. so, for example, in oi ine— department. so, for example, in one of the cases— department. so, for example, in one of the cases which has been wioeiw— one of the cases which has been widely covered— one of the cases which has been widely covered in— one of the cases which has been widely covered in the media reeeniiw— widely covered in the media reeeniiw .— widely covered in the media recently , where _ widely covered in the media recently , where the individual recently, where the individual noi— recently, where the individual was not named,— recently, where the individual was not named, but it's been wioeiw— was not named, but it's been widely covered— was not named, but it's been widely covered that they raised oiowi— widely covered that they raised issues about bullying and inonnronrioie— issues about bullying and inappropriate behaviours in the worinioee— inappropriate behaviours in the worinioee .— inappropriate behaviours in the workplace . the— inappropriate behaviours in the workplace . the hr team called in workplace. the hr team called in a senior manager— workplace. the hr team called in a senior manager who actually was one of our news heads of news from elsewhere in the orgonieoiion— news from elsewhere in the organisation to _ news from elsewhere in the organisation to come in and be the independent— organisation to come in and be the independent investigating nereon— the independent investigating nereon .— the independent investigating nereon . ano— the independent investigating person . and they conducted person. and they conducted a win— person. and they conducted a win nie— person. and they conducted a with hr support,— person. and they conducted a with hr support, they conducted

a with hr support, they conducted o inio— with hr support, they conducted a review into that— with hr support, they conducted a review into that particular case, looked— a review into that particular case, looked at— a review into that particular case, looked at all of the allegations,— case, looked at all of the allegations, looked at the documentation, interview , made documentation, interview, made a raft documentation, interview, made a roii oi— documentation, interview, made a roii oi neonie.— documentation, interview, made a raft of people, and— documentation, interview, made a raft of people, and in that case i raft of people, and in that case r en— raft of people, and in that case i eow— raft of people, and in that case i eow ii— raft of people, and in that case i can say it hasn't— raft of people, and in that case i can say it hasn't been hasn't neen— i can say it hasn't been hasn't been eoio— i can say it hasn't been hasn't been said publicly, but none of the allegations— been said publicly, but none of the allegations were upheld . and the allegations were upheld. and in inor— the allegations were upheld. and in that particular— the allegations were upheld. and in that particular case, so in inor— in that particular case, so in no eoee— in that particular case, so in that case, we— in that particular case, so in that case, we did— in that particular case, so in that case, we did it internally, nwr— that case, we did it internally, iwi wiinin— that case, we did it internally, but within external outside the reievoni— but within external outside the relevant department senior manager, as the investigating onoger— manager, as the investigating onoger in— manager, as the investigating manager in the— manager, as the investigating manager in the case of dr. ranj, as manager in the case of dr. ranj, oe eoroiwn— manager in the case of dr. ranj, oe eoroiwn noe— manager in the case of dr. ranj, as carolyn has said— manager in the case of dr. ranj, as carolyn has said , and we as carolyn has said, and we ineirwei— as carolyn has said, and we ineirwei on— as carolyn has said, and we instruct an external hr company eoiieo— instruct an external hr company eoiieo nie— instruct an external hr company called hr clarity— instruct an external hr company called hr clarity who conducted an called hr clarity who conducted on eviernoi— called hr clarity who conducted an external investigation . we an external investigation. we iooi— an external investigation. we iooi oi— an external investigation. we iooi oi eoen— an external investigation. we look at each situation and the ioeie— look at each situation and the ioeie oe— look at each situation and the ioeie oe inew— look at each situation and the facts as they they— look at each situation and the facts as they they stand and the eeveriiw— facts as they they stand and the eeveriiw oi— facts as they they stand and the severity of the _ facts as they they stand and the severity of the allegations that are severity of the allegations that ewiriing— severity of the allegations that are swirling and— severity of the allegations that are swirling and decide whether it's are swirling and decide whether we more— are swirling and decide whether it's more appropriate to do eoneining— it's more appropriate to do something internally or externally. _ something internally or externally. so it's not one size iiie— externally. so it's not one size iiie oii. — externally. so it's not one size iiie oii. okay — externally. so it's not one size fits all. okay. and- externally. so it's not one size fits all. okay. ' ir: fits all. okay. and you mentioned dr. ranj raised a complaint. is it the same as the gmc, the law society, that bame people get complained about more

than non bame people? i don't know if you've done these figures that people of colour complain more. do you mean oiowi. — complain more. do you mean oiowi. i— complain more. do you mean about. i know he raised the complaint. i don't know if you know that i don't know those statistics. imean, know that i don't know those statistics. i mean, given that, now— statistics. i mean, given that, now nonw— ts i mean, given that, how many complaints have we had? can how many complaints have we had? eonleon— how many complaints have we had? eonleon i— how many complaints have we had? eonleon i twei— how many complaints have we had? eonleon i we eow— how many complaints have we had? can can i just say that over can i, can i just say that over ine— can i, can i just say that over we ioei— can i, can i just say that over the last five _ can i, can i just say that over the last five years— can i, can i just say that over the last five years we've looked at the last five years we've looked oi-eioiieiiee— the last five years we've looked at statistics thought you at the statistics we thought you nigni—in- at the statistics we thought you nigni—ininen. | might be interested in them. inere— might be interested in them. inere nove— might be interested in them. there have been— might be interested in them. there have been 128- might be interested in them. there have been 128 complaints. obe i think this is going to be coming to later. i was just iniereeieo— coming to later. i was just interested in— coming to later. i was just interested in the- tririi ig i was just interested in the same thing. if you— interested in the same thing. if wow wow— interested in the same thing. if wow woni io— interested in the same thing. if you want to know— interested in the same thing. if you want to know that i've eiorieo. — you want to know that i've eiorieo. so— you want to know that i've started. so 128- you want to know that i've started. 78 t you want to know that i've- started. so 128 complaints which have been investigated by your team either formally or informally across itv , across informally across itv, across the last five years, and of those five related to this morning , five of those morning, five of those complaints of the 128 across the last five years. and as we've said earlier, two of those related to bullying or harassment. and both of those have been discussed so far today. and just last one from

me, we know that— : and just last one from me, we know that at phillip senoiieio— me, we know that at phillip schofield previous co—presenter rein— schofield previous co—presenter rern nriiion— schofield previous co—presenter fern britton apparently left ieee— fern britton apparently left because she— fern britton apparently left because she was paid . £225,000 because she was paid. £225,000 ieee— because she was paid. £225,000 ieee inon— because she was paid. £225,000 ieee inon nin— because she was paid. £225,000 less than him. is— because she was paid. £225,000 less than him. is there differential— less than him. is there differential pay for the same roie— differential pay for the same roie in— differential pay for the same roie in wow— differential pay for the same role in your organisation of 12 or is— role in your organisation of 12 or is weore— role in your organisation of 12 or 15 years ago? _ role in your organisation of 12 or 15 years ago? i- role in your organisation of 12 or 15 years ago? gi or 15 years ago? i think, right. so or 15 years ago? i think, right. so everwining-e— or 15 years ago? i think, right. so everything's all— or 15 years ago? i think, right. so everything's all over.- so everything's all over. i inini— so everything's all over. i inini wow-ii— so everything's all over. i think you'll find that everwining- think you'll find that everything has changed quite a lot. everything has changed quite a ioi. — everything has changed quite a ioi. reon.— everything has changed quite a ioi. veon. so— everything has changed quite a lot. yeah. so philip- everything has changed quite a lot. yeah. so philip on- everything has changed quite a lot. / i c riri c lot. yeah. so philip on equal payi lot. yeah. so philip on equal pay, philip and holly on on the individual show , could you just individual show, could you just repeat that? what did you do? you just said i would say philip ono— you just said i would say philip ono noiiw— you just said i would say philip and holly were— you just said i would say philip and holly were on— you just said i would say philip and holly were on the same wage ieee— and holly were on the same wage ieeoeewe-e— and holly were on the same wage because-were doing- and holly were on the same wage because were doing the same because they were doing the same job, because they were doing the same ion—noi. — because they were doing the same job,_not. although. job, but probably not. although it's job, but probably not. although ifs-time— job, but probably not. although ifs-time ago,— job, but probably not. although it's-time ago, not- job, but probably not. although it's time ago, not when it's a long time ago, not when they— it's a long time ago, not when they started,— it's a long time ago, not when they started, because would they started, because she would have— they started, because she would have been— they started, because she would have been junior— they started, because she would have been junior and he was already— have been junior and he wasi already—sort already well established sort of thing. — already well established sort of thing. .but— already well established sort of thing. .but we— already well established sort of thing. but we we've made it thing. but but we we've made it a policy— thing. but but we we've made it a policy nw— thing. but but we we've made it a policy now that— thing. but but we we've made it a policy now that when people are-doing— a policy now that when people are-doing-same- a policy now that when people are doing same job, are clearly doing the same job, like— are clearly doing the same job, like panellists— are clearly doing the same job, like panellists on— are clearly doing the same job, like panellists on a show or something,— like panellists on a show or something, they— like panellists on a show or something, they should be paid equally.— something, they should be paid equally. okay— something, they should be paid equally. okay thanks . equally. okay thanks. thank you. can equally. okay thanks. thank you. can i— equally. okay thanks. thank you. can i just— equally. okay thanks. thank you. can i just quickly go back to the case review if there's anything that ms mulcahy finds

that's outside wide of the terms of reference that you've published, what will you do to ensure that these are appropriately treated .7 so i'll appropriately treated? so i'll just start and i'll hand- 3“ so i'll just start and i'll hand over to kyla.— just start and i'll hand over to kyla. we-ve— just start and i'll hand over to kyla. we've said— just start and i'll hand over to kyla. we've said really clearly there-s— kyla. we've said really clearly there-s a— kyla. we've said really clearly there's a paragraph in the terms of refeerre— there's a paragraph in the terms of reference that— there's a paragraph in the terms of reference that say if anything— of reference that say if anything comes up that is not in eeeep— anything comes up that is not in eeeep effe— anything comes up that is not in eeeep efe wru— anything comes up that is not in scope, she will capture those are— scope, she will capture those are erre— scope, she will capture those and she will— scope, she will capture those and she will bring them to the efferffer— and she will bring them to the attention-the— and she will bring them to the attention the board and once attention of the board and once freer— attention of the board and once ffref referr— attention of the board and once that review is— attention of the board and once that review is concluded , that review is concluded, eeperefre— that review is concluded, depending on— that review is concluded, depending on the findings, clearly— depending on the findings, efeerfy wru— depending on the findings, clearly will you will you be pefenffeffr— clearly will you will you be potentially reviewing the peefffer— potentially reviewing the peefffer ef— potentially reviewing the position of any itv staff if i refer,— position of any itv staff if i em, you— position of any itv staff if i think, you know,— position of any itv staff if i think, you know, we're taking the think, you know, we're taking frre referr— think, you know, we're taking the review, as— think, you know, we're taking the review, as you can see, exfremefy— the review, as you can see, extremely seriously . we you extremely seriously. we you knew,— extremely seriously. we you knew, we— extremely seriously. we you know, we wouldn't have we werfefrff— know, we wouldn't have we wouldn't have— know, we wouldn't have we wouldn't have initiated if it weer-f— wouldn't have initiated if it weer-f very— wouldn't have initiated if it wasn't very serious. i would say freer— wasn't very serious. i would say ffref we— wasn't very serious. i would say ffref we wru— wasn't very serious. i would say that we will listen— wasn't very serious. i would say that we will listen to everyrrfrrg- that we will listen to everything that's said. but i fer-f— everything that's said. but i fer-f warf— everything that's said. but i don't want to _ everything that's said. but i don't want to get into hypotheticals or pre—empt the ease— hypotheticals or pre—empt the eeeey referr— hypotheticals or pre—empt the casey review or— hypotheticals or pre—empt the casey review or the or prejudge it casey review or the or prejudge ff . — casey review or the or prejudge ff . rew— casey review or the or prejudge it . how potentially- casey review or the or prejudge it. how potentially might you hold people to account depending on these findings? well, as i said, i think that depending on the findings , we will listen and

the findings, we will listen and we will learn and we will act. but i don't know what the frames— but i don't know what the findings are— but i don't know what the findings are going to be. so i'm not findings are going to be. so i'm ref going— findings are going to be. so i'm ref going fe— findings are going to be. so i'm ref going re re— findings are going to be. so i'm not going to go into a hypothetical- not going to go into a hypothetical situation that i fer-f— hypothetical situation that i eer-f free— hypothetical situation that i don't know of— hypothetical situation that i don't know of yet. ofrz" don't know of yet. other parameters in worst case scenario, i do want to talk about that don't about scenarios that we don't know yet. chair i'm afraid that we weere— know yet. chair i'm afraid that we weere reef— know yet. chair i'm afraid that we would just be— were; chair i'm afraid that we would just be speculating as to we would just be speculating as fe wref— we would just be speculating as fe wref fre— we would just be speculating as to what the findings are going to what the findings are going fe-are— to what the findings are going fe-are fre— to what the findings are going to and the reason we've got to say. and the reason we've got a to say. and the reason we've got eeeeelfe— to say. and the reason we've got eeeeelfe rere— to say. and the reason we've got a case-to take away- a case is to take away speculation- a case is to take away speculation and to look at the rreeeee fe— speculation and to look at the process, to look— speculation and to look at the process, to look at— speculation and to look at the process, to look at the facts, to process, to look at the facts, fe-err— process, to look at the facts, to-our approach, - process, to look at the facts, to our approach, and to look at our approach, and frer— to look at our approach, and frer fe— to look at our approach, and then to come— to look at our approach, and then to come out— to look at our approach, and then to come out with some ffreffree— then to come out with some ffrefrge fer— then to come out with some findings. you know, she will be effe— findings. you know, she will be able-interview— findings. you know, she will be able interview anybody able to interview anybody that ere— able to interview anybody that ere-sre— able to interview anybody that ere-sre wru— able to interview anybody that she -she will be - able to interview anybody that she she will be able to she wants. she will be able to go she wants. she will be able to ge erywrere— she wants. she will be able to go anywhere she— she wants. she will be able to go anywhere she wants with the ferme— go anywhere she wants with the ferrre ef— go anywhere she wants with the terms of reference.— go anywhere she wants with the terms of reference. and so there wru— terms of reference. and so there wfff ee— terms of reference. and so there will be nothing— terms of reference. and so there will be nothing to— terms of reference. and so there will be nothing to hide. �*" will be nothing to hide. but if it will be nothing to hide. but if ff we— will be nothing to hide. but if ff ferre— will be nothing to hide. but if it was found that— will be nothing to hide. but if it was found that there was basically a cover up at itv this morning over this, people could be sacked. as i said, i do want to be sacked. as i said, i do want fe eer— be sacked. as i said, i do want fe eef frfe— f: as i said, i do want to get into hypotheticals eeewee— to get into hypotheticals because that— to get into hypotheticals because that hypothetical . because that is hypothetical. ewrerfw— because that is hypothetical. currently and _ because that is hypothetical. currently and thank you very rrwer. — currently and thank you very rrwer. are— currently and thank you very much. and good.- currently and thank you very much. and good. good morning, everybody . can i just say what i

everybody. can i just say what i don't think this is about? i don't think this is about? i don't think this is about? i don't think this is about whether holly now hates philip and whether eamonn's in love with holly and kevin. that seems to me to be utterly irrelevant . to me to be utterly irrelevant. i think it probably benefits itv for the tabloids to chase this particular hare or that set of hares. i think what this is aboutis hares. i think what this is about is about bullying and protection of staff . i think protection of staff. i think that's what the issue is. and i think that's why we're here. and that's why we want to talk to you about it in that context, what did you feel? dame carolyn , when you after weeks of bullying headlines , you saw the bullying headlines, you saw the editor of this morning, martin frizell , tell a reporter in frizell, tell a reporter in answer to her question that he didn't like aubergines . i think didn't like aubergines. i think you asked this of— didn't like aubergines. i think you asked this of my- r: r: " c c g i think you asked this of my colleague weerwe— you asked this of my colleague magnus brooke.— you asked this of my colleague magnus brooke. and i think he eere— magnus brooke. and i think he eere ff— magnus brooke. and i think he eere ff wee— magnus brooke. and i think he said it was ill— magnus brooke. and i think he said it was ill advised and i eewfer-f— said it was ill advised and i couldn't agree— said it was ill advised and i couldn't agree with him more. i frfrw— couldn't agree with him more. i frfrk wewr— couldn't agree with him more. i think martin has— couldn't agree with him more. i think martin has made a mistake

. i think martin has made a mistake . r frfrw— think martin has made a mistake . r frfrk re— think martin has made a mistake . i think he knows— think martin has made a mistake . i think he knows he made a rrfefeke— . i think he knows he made a rrfefewe. r— . i think he knows he made a mistake. i think— . i think he knows he made a mistake. i think he didn't frfere— mistake. i think he didn't frfere fer— mistake. i think he didn't intend for it— mistake. i think he didn't intend for it to- mistake. i think he didn't intend for it to come. i don't frfrw— intend for it to come. i don't frfrk re— intend for it to come. i don't think he intended to say that, but think he intended to say that, ewf r— think he intended to say that, ewf r fer-f— think he intended to say that, but i don't think— think he intended to say that, but i don't think he did , but i don't think he did, frewer. — but i don't think he did, frewer. re— but i don't think he did, though. rz; but i don't think he did, though. g but i don't think he did,- though. he was looking he was looking out the window. he saw there was a crew there, by the way, an itv pool crew. there's been some speculation that he said that because was a sky said that because it was a sky crew that an itv pool crew and that it was an itv pool crew, he said that, too. he crew, that he said that, too. he knew were outside. came knew they were outside. he came out. looked as if he thought out. he looked as if he thought he coming with a clever he was coming out with a clever line that's how he looked. look what i would say is, you- e look what i would say is, you know, rewr— what i would say is, you know, fewr ree— what i would say is, you know, kevin has actually— what i would say is, you know, kevin has actually spoken to rim.— kevin has actually spoken to rim-few— kevin has actually spoken to him.-talk.that.. him. he can talk to that. i fer-f— him. he can talk to that. i don't believe— him. he can talk to that. i don't believe anything. martin eere— don't believe anything. martin said were— don't believe anything. martin eere frere fr— don't believe anything. martin said there in the— don't believe anything. martin said there in the heat of the rrerrerf— said there in the heat of the rrerrerf ,— said there in the heat of the rrerrerf , ff— said there in the heat of the moment , it was— said there in the heat of the moment , it was reflective of our moment, it was reflective of our ewffwre— moment, it was reflective of our ewffwre .— moment, it was reflective of our ewffwre . r— moment, it was reflective of our culture . i don't— moment, it was reflective of our culture . i don't i— moment, it was reflective of our culture . i don't i think , quite culture. i don't i think, quite rreffer— culture. i don't i think, quite rreffer e— culture. i don't i think, quite matter a mistake. e matter a mistake. it matters not because it was it was a ridiculous and absurd and possibly vulgar thing to say. it matters because he's the boss of that programme . it's a programme that programme. it's a programme that programme. it's a programme thatis that programme. it's a programme that is mired right now with allegations of bullying. he knew

that. allegations of bullying. he knew that . and if you're a young that. and if you're a young staffer before this whole stooshie began, if you were a young staffer, he was the person that you'd go to if you were worried about bullying. i know you told us that you could respond anonymously, but he was the boss of that programme. that says a lot about the culture at that programme that he took such a mocking and dismissive attitude towards bullying . attitude towards bullying. well, i think you're reading an ewfwf— well, i think you're reading an ewfwf ref— well, i think you're reading an awful lot into— well, i think you're reading an awful lot into one— well, i think you're reading an awful lot into one comment, wrfer— awful lot into one comment, wrfer we— awful lot into one comment, wrfer e— awful lot into one comment, which was a foolish comment. i ereefwfew— which was a foolish comment. i absolutely agree— which was a foolish comment. i absolutely agree and a very ill eeweee— absolutely agree and a very ill advised comment. i absolutely ereee— advised comment. i absolutely ereee r— advised comment. i absolutely ereee rfrfrw— advised comment. i absolutely agree. i think to— advised comment. i absolutely agree. i think to read into an erffre— agree. i think to read into an entire culture— agree. i think to read into an entire culture of— agree. i think to read into an entire culture of an organisation or a programme entire culture of an— organisation or a programme from one comment, from _ organisation or a programme from one comment, from one person who ereeerw— one comment, from one person who prererw we— one comment, from one person who prererw e— one comment, from one person who prererw e eff— one comment, from one person who probably was a bit under pressure, regardless of the crew on pressure, regardless of the crew er rfe— pressure, regardless of the crew on his doorstep,— pressure, regardless of the crew on his doorstep, he probably was . re— on his doorstep, he probably was . re re— on his doorstep, he probably was . re fe weee— on his doorstep, he probably was . he is used to— on his doorstep, he probably was . he is used to handling pressure. he— . he is used to handling pressure. he should be able to rerefe— pressure. he should be able to handle-made— pressure. he should be able to handle-made a- pressure. he should be able to handle made a mistake, handle it. he made a mistake, rferff— handle it. he made a mistake, rferff wew— handle it. he made a mistake, right? well i'm— handle it. he made a mistake, right? well i'm not. i'm not a referee.— right? well i'm not. i'm not a mistake. i'm not. if that if he had a saintly reputation and there was no questions of bullying from anybody else, then you're that was just you're right. that was just a

single mistake . but like other single mistake. but like other members of the committee , i have members of the committee, i have had many messages from folk had so many messages from folk at itv who talk about the bullying culture of itv. now, it seems to me this morning you've talked about loads of investigations and they all seem to end up with itv coming out smelling of roses . so i want to smelling of roses. so i want to give a voice to a couple of people who've written to me. i've done my very best to ascertain that these are real people, either current or ex staffers. i won't identify them in any way. here's one i worked for a boss at daytime. somebody senior my boss was very difficult and would, as a matter of course, often shout and belittle staff . it went on for belittle staff. it went on for years with nobody doing anything about it. it was a toxic environment and that's one person. here's another person . person. here's another person. i'm very pleased to see your

committee address the culture of bullying and toxicity at itv . bullying and toxicity at itv. it's a terrible place to work. daytime in particular is absolutely toxic. here's how it works. if someone complains about bullying or sexual impropriety. itv pretends to investigate , they'll do a bit of investigate, they'll do a bit of a cursory glance at the complaint. then they will answer and they will. they will decide that there was no bullying . the that there was no bullying. the person who complains is then ultimately forced to leave , ultimately forced to leave, often with a non—disclosure agreement. and it's made clear to them that they can't return to them that they can't return to them that they can't return to the work because they've made false accusations . so they're false accusations. so they're very disappointing - false accusations. so they're very disappointing to- ff so they're very disappointing to hear. reeew— very disappointing to hear. deeply distressing in my view, to deeply distressing in my view, fe reer— deeply distressing in my view, to hear dozens— deeply distressing in my view, to hear dozens of— deeply distressing in my view, to hear dozens of them. well eewe— to hear dozens of them. well eewfe wew— to hear dozens of them. well could you please— to hear dozens of them. well could you please hand those to wef— could you please hand those to ref r— could you please hand those to ref r rreer— could you please hand those to ref r r— could you please hand those to us? i mean, i think— could you please hand those to us? i mean, i think the promise to us? i mean, i think the promise fe ee— us? i mean, i think the promise fe ee fref— us? i mean, i think the promise to do that because— us? i mean, i think the promise to do that because people people are to do that because people people wew— to do that because people people are very concerned— to do that because people people are very concerned that the way we— are very concerned that the way we frew— are very concerned that the way that they write _ are very concerned that the way that they write or— are very concerned that the way that they write or little clues

wffrfr — that they write or little clues within their— that they write or little clues within their messages might feerfffw— within their messages might feerfffw vou— within their messages might identify, you just said they no fereer— identify, you just said they no fereer wew— identify, you just said they no longer work there. r: longer work there. so i said err— longer work there. so i said some did and some did not. well, the thing i have to say is we— well, the thing i have to say is we ff— well, the thing i have to say is we ff fe— well, the thing i have to say is that it is not— well, the thing i have to say is that it is not something i reeerfeee— that it is not something i recognise that- that it is not something i recognise that characterised as the recognise that characterised as we wrefe— recognise that characterised as the whole culture— recognise that characterised as the whole culture at all. we've refe— the whole culture at all. we've fefe wer— the whole culture at all. we've refer you fref— the whole culture at all. we've told you that we— the whole culture at all. we've told you that we have had five eerrefefrfe— told you that we have had five eerrrfefrfe fr— told you that we have had five complaints in five— told you that we have had five complaints in five years on eewffrre— complaints in five years on eewffrre ere— complaints in five years on daytime and we— complaints in five years on daytime and we have taken all of frerr — daytime and we have taken all of frerr eerferew— daytime and we have taken all of them seriously and— daytime and we have taken all of them seriously and only two of frerr — them seriously and only two of frerr wee— them seriously and only two of them were about— them seriously and only two of them were about bullying and any any them were about bullying and any erw wre— them were about bullying and any erw wre ef— them were about bullying and any any kind of kind— them were about bullying and any any kind of kind of— them were about bullying and any any kind of kind of question eerw— any kind of kind of question around discrimination of role. so around discrimination of role. se wref— around discrimination of role. se we r— around discrimination of role. so what i would— around discrimination of role. so what i would say people are so so what i would say people are ee rrrerrw— so what i would say people are ee rrrerrw r— so what i would say people are so unhappy, i could i people are so unhappy, i could i people are ee wr— so unhappy, i could i people are so mr nicholas— so unhappy, i could i people are so mr nicholas i'll— so unhappy, i could i people are so mr nicholas i'll let you come reek— so mr nicholas i'll let you come reek fr— so mr nicholas i'll let you come reek fr rew— so mr nicholas i'll let you come back in how come— so mr nicholas i'll let you come back in how come people are so unhappy— back in how come people are so unhappy ere— back in how come people are so unhappy ere ee— back in how come people are so unhappy and so many people are unhappy— unhappy and so many people are unhappy ere— unhappy and so many people are unhappy and yet— unhappy and so many people are unhappy and yet you keep doing frweeffeefe— unhappy and yet you keep doing investigate stations which keep erefre— investigate stations which keep ending re— investigate stations which keep ending up showing that there weer-f— ending up showing that there weer-f e— ending up showing that there wasn't a problem . so can i just wasn't a problem. so can i just say— wasn't a problem. so can i just eew ff— wasn't a problem. so can i just eew f we— wasn't a problem. so can i just eew f we eer-f— wasn't a problem. so can i just say if we don't know, if we eer-f— say if we don't know, if we eer-f krew— say if we don't know, if we don't know of— say if we don't know, if we don't know of these, i've said ree— don't know of these, i've said reef fe— don't know of these, i've said reef fe .— don't know of these, i've said we've had to . official we've had to. official complaints,- we've had to. official complaints, both of them were frweeffeefee. — complaints, both of them were investigated. one— complaints, both of them were investigated. one internally, wrfer— investigated. one internally,

wrfer fwfe— investigated. one internally, which kyla has— investigated. one internally, which kyla has explained how we did which kyla has explained how we we ma,— which kyla has explained how we we fref, ere— which kyla has explained how we did that, and one— which kyla has explained how we did that, and one was not investigated— did that, and one was not investigated internally, deliberately _ investigated internally, deliberately so that we could firef— deliberately so that we could ffre err— deliberately so that we could find out what— deliberately so that we could find out what was independently that find out what was independently fref fre— find out what was independently that the person _ find out what was independently that the person who did that had eeeefrfew— that the person who did that had ereefrfew re— that the person who did that had absolutely no involvement in ww— absolutely no involvement in rfv. frew— absolutely no involvement in rrv. they wee— absolutely no involvement in itv. they were an air specialist ere— itv. they were an air specialist ere frew— itv. they were an air specialist ere frew wee— itv. they were an air specialist and they were not— itv. they were an air specialist and they were not able to uphold the allegations.— and they were not able to uphold the allegations. so— and they were not able to uphold the allegations. so i think that we— the allegations. so i think that we r-rr— the allegations. so i think that we r-rr eewfre— the allegations. so i think that what i'm saying to you is it's ref— what i'm saying to you is it's ref reefe— what i'm saying to you is it's ref feeee ef— what i'm saying to you is it's not loads of investigations. we reve— not loads of investigations. we have investigated— not loads of investigations. we have investigated whenever we've had have investigated whenever we've reef e— have investigated whenever we've reef e eerrefefrf— have investigated whenever we've had a complaint ant and we take it had a complaint ant and we take ff wew— had a complaint ant and we take ff wew ,— had a complaint ant and we take ff very , wew— had a complaint ant and we take it very , very seriously, does it very, very seriously, does ref— it very, very seriously, does ref fif— it very, very seriously, does ref ffff rre— it very, very seriously, does not fill me with _ it very, very seriously, does not fill me with anything but tref— not fill me with anything but fret eerrew— not fill me with anything but just sorrow really. and and sadness. i've— just sorrow really. and and sadness. i've never , you know, sadness. i've never, you know, we— sadness. i've never, you know, we ref— sadness. i've never, you know, it's not something— sadness. i've never, you know, it's not something that we try ere— it's not something that we try ere frett— it's not something that we try ere frefff er— it's not something that we try and instil or foster it is the erfffreefe— and instil or foster it is the antithesis of— and instil or foster it is the antithesis of what we want. so if antithesis of what we want. so ff wer — antithesis of what we want. so ff wer ee— antithesis of what we want. so if you are getting— antithesis of what we want. so if you are getting many people eefffre— if you are getting many people eefffre your— if you are getting many people eefffre your r— if you are getting many people calling you, i honestly feel free— calling you, i honestly feel free fe— calling you, i honestly feel free fe e— calling you, i honestly feel there is a confidential way that you— there is a confidential way that wer eer— there is a confidential way that you ref— there is a confidential way that you can let them— there is a confidential way that you can let them speak to us reeere— you can let them speak to us because that's— you can let them speak to us because that's the way we can eerrew— because that's the way we can eefrefw reek— because that's the way we can actually look at— because that's the way we can actually look at this properly ere— actually look at this properly ere ee— actually look at this properly and do something about it. we wif— and do something about it. we wfff ee— and do something about it. we will do something. all right. i'll will do something. all right. fit eer— will do something. all right. i'll ask them.— will do something. all right.

i'll ask them. please. i'll ask them. yes, please. okav- — i'll ask them. yes, please. okay. because— i'll ask them. yes, please. okay. because i- i'll ask them. yes, please. okay. because i can't do erwfrfre— okay. because i can't do anything right. they're anything right. if they're fefffre—rl anything right. if they're. telling—i lost telling you about it. i lost frerr.— telling you about it. i lost frem.|rrr— telling you about it. i lost them.irun itv. - telling you about it. i lost them. run itv. them. i run itv. i lost them, though. i i think there's a trust issue. well, not. i don't think i genuinely— trust issue. well, not. i don't think i genuinely think- idon't think i genuinely think that if free— think i genuinely think that if frere fe— think i genuinely think that if frere fe e— think i genuinely think that if there is a trust— think i genuinely think that if there is a trust issue within rewire— there is a trust issue within daytime, which— there is a trust issue within daytime, which you're trying to eeeerfee— daytime, which you're trying to eeeerfee, -wer — daytime, which you're trying to describe, you know, describe, which you know, reeere— describe, which you know, reeere wer — describe, which you know, because you have knowledge that i because you have knowledge that r-reeeree— because you have knowledge that i - because you've _ because you have knowledge that i because you've been i don't because you've been rewire— i don't because you've been fefwre fe— i don't because you've been talking to people, then there i don't because you've been tall people, then there i don't because you've been tali

review twice. i think , and an review twice. i think, and an investigation— review twice. i think, and an investigation once. i've never eewee— investigation once. i've never eeffee ff— investigation once. i've never eeffee ff er— investigation once. i've never called it an investigation. i eerrew— called it an investigation. i actually said— called it an investigation. i actually said to— called it an investigation. i actually said to i- called it an investigation. i actually said to i heard- called it an investigation. i actually said to i heard you say that, but then you subsequently used the word and i might have said investigated because i think what we do is that we did investigate. but i wouldn't call it an investigation because that gives kind of formality and gives it a kind of formality and structure that because cause of the rumours and because of the time period it didn't have. okay, i've spoken to someone who's friendly with mr x, so the committee come to life, in my view , there, because the view, there, because the questioning from that mp john nicholson , he's an snp mp. it's nicholson, he's an snp mp. it's very detailed. he's a \r f" a" sta 37�* ii 37�* it's very detailed. he's a former broadcaster. _ very detailed. he's a former broadcaster. he— very detailed. he's a former broadcaster. he was a breakfast erew— broadcaster. he was a breakfast show presenter— broadcaster. he was a breakfast show presenter on— broadcaster. he was a breakfast show presenter on bbc television. _ show presenter on bbc television. he came out actually as television. he came out actually ee e eew— television. he came out actually ee e gay er— television. he came out actually as a gay man when— television. he came out actually as a gay man when he was on the fre— as a gay man when he was on the rec eeerf— as a gay man when he was on the rec eeerf fo— as a gay man when he was on the bbc about 20 years— as a gay man when he was on the bbc about 20 years ago, and were— bbc about 20 years ago, and were wry— bbc about 20 years ago, and that's why he's— bbc about 20 years ago, and that's why he's been he's eefrfre— that's why he's been he's eefffre e— that's why he's been he's eefffre e ref— that's why he's been he's getting a lot of- that's why he's been he's getting a lot of private information— getting a lot of private information from people working on information from people working er ff— information from people working er ff reeere— information from people working on it because they— information from people working on it because they recognise someone who understands the rreeeeeeffre— someone who understands the broadcasting industry . and he broadcasting industry. and he efeerw— broadcasting industry. and he clearly describing a culture clearly is describing a culture wrerefw— clearly is describing a culture whereby eeewe— clearly is describing a culture whereby people are scared to eerrew— whereby people are scared to complain, which— whereby people are scared to complain, which is what john fewer— complain, which is what john

reffer john— complain, which is what john bolton john bolton from the bbc was-us very early- bolton john bolton from the bbc was us very early on, was telling us very early on, eeeere— was telling us very early on, because-so many- was telling us very early on, because so many casual because there's so many casual errrfeweee— because there's so many casual employees working in television wre— employees working in television wre-wew— employees working in television wre-very eeew— employees working in television who very badly paid. they're who are very badly paid. they're eeeree— who are very badly paid. they're eerew-frerr— who are very badly paid. they're scared-their hands- who are very badly paid. they're scared their hands up and scared to put their hands up and eerrefefr— scared to put their hands up and complain because— scared to put their hands up and complain because think complain because they think frew-ff— complain because they thinki frew-ff—are they'll never work again. and fref-e—wref- they'll never work again. and that's—what john| that's pretty much what john wferefeer— that's pretty much what john nicholson -yeah. that's pretty much what john nicholson yeah and nicholson is saying. yeah and john— nicholson is saying. yeah and john nicholson— nicholson is saying. yeah and john nicholson understands the erffrre— - john nicholson understands the culture,_ that's. john nicholson understands thei culture,_ that's the culture, doesn't he? that's the thing-— culture, doesn't he? that's the thing. he's obviously been sat there like a coiled spring waiting to pounce on this heanng waiting to pounce on this hearing . i mean, a lot of you hearing. i mean, a lot of you are still getting in touch at home as well, saying this is not parliamentary business. yes. why are you involved in this? why are you involved in this? why are you involved in this? why are you all swarming around this story as mps go and fix migration, fix health, fix education, fix crime , as we've education, fix crime, as we've been talking about in the last 24, and also this committee, which deals with broadcast media. can we deal with the bbc, efeeeef— media. can we deal with the bbc, please? because— media. can we deal with the bbc, please? because why— “cit: can we deal with the bbc, please? because why am i “rt;r: can we deal with the bbc, please? because why am i still paying— please? because why am i still rewfre rree— please? because why am i still rewfre free fer— please? because why am i still paying £159 for my licence fee for paying £159 for my licence fee fer e— paying £159 for my licence fee for a bloated— paying £159 for my licence fee for a bloated bureaucracy? dodi for a bloated bureaucracy? dodi fer er— for a bloated bureaucracy? dodi for an organisation keeps saying it's for an organisation keeps saying we eerre— for an organisation keeps saying we going fe— for an organisation keeps saying we going re err— for an organisation keeps saying it's going to cut the number of ererrefe— it's going to cut the number of channels, but— it's going to cut the number of channels, but it— it's going to cut the number of channels, but it never does. fer-f— channels, but it never does. fer-f frer— channels, but it never does. isn't that what— channels, but it never does. isn't that what they should be eeeffre— isn't that what they should be dealing with?— isn't that what they should be dealing with? it's— isn't that what they should be dealing with? it's just the were— dealing with? it's just the wrefe frfre— dealing with? it's just the whole thing for me, it's

whole thing is just for me, it's tref— whole thing is just for me, it's tref ff-e— whole thing is just for me, it's tref ff-e fre— whole thing is just for me, it's just it's the year— whole thing is just for me, it's just it's the year that satire effer— just it's the year that satire eiee, fer-f— just it's the year that satire died, isn't it? _ just it's the year that satire died, isn't it? i- just it's the year that satire died, isn't it? ’“ just it's the year that satire died, isn't it? i mean, this this really you know, it. this really is, you know, it. it's because it is in it's important because it is in parliament. but should it be this important to the british people to be scrutinising a consenting relationship between two men? i understand. i understand the power dynamic. and i have to sort of stop myself short. but phillip schofield has said himself it was inappropriate . yeah, yeah, was inappropriate. yeah, yeah, absolutely. but was it sufficiently inappropriate that it these sorts of people it demands these sorts of people who should be? and let's be fee— who should be? and let's be fee wv— who should be? and let's be clear, itv are— who should be? and let's be clear, itv are telling- : irrt;7’ and let's be clear, itv are telling mps : irrt;7 and let's be clear, itv are telling mps there was no cover up.— clear, itv are telling mps there was no cover up. many people who wew— was no cover up. many people who wert eerre— was no cover up. many people who work around the— was no cover up. many people who work around the broadcasting eew— work around the broadcasting area say there _ work around the broadcasting area say there was. md work around the broadcasting area say there was. 33 tt area say there was. right. still to come this morning, we will bnng to come this morning, we will bring you any headlines from this dcms committee at westminster. but also today we're going to talk about this story that was in the headlines yesterday about the mother of three who's been jailed for inducing an abortion past the legal limit during lockdown was very much divided. opinion we will be discussing that after your morning's news with tatiana

sanchez. beth, your morning's news with tatiana sanchez . beth, thank you very sanchez. beth, thank you very rrrer — sanchez. beth, thank you very rrrer ere— sanchez. beth, thank you very rrrer ere eeer— f beth, thank you very much and good morning. this is the much and good morning. this is we refer— much and good morning. this is the latest from _ much and good morning. this is the latest from the— much and good morning. this is the latest from the newsroom. rfv-e— the latest from the newsroom. rfv-e reee— the latest from the newsroom. itv's boss says— the latest from the newsroom. itv's boss says both parties frwewee— itv's boss says both parties frwewee fr— itv's boss says both parties involved in the— itv's boss says both parties involved in the phillip schofield— involved in the phillip schofield affair repeatedly ferret— schofield affair repeatedly denied allegations of a relationship— denied allegations of a relationship .- denied allegations of a relationship . rip chief relationship. rip chief executive _ relationship. rip chief executive dame carolyn mccall ree— executive dame carolyn mccall ree fete— executive dame carolyn mccall ree fete frre— executive dame carolyn mccall has told mps action would have eeer— has told mps action would have eeer refer— has told mps action would have been taken had— has told mps action would have been taken had there been any eweeree— been taken had there been any evidence. but— been taken had there been any evidence. but there was only reereew— evidence. but there was only hearsay, rumour— evidence. but there was only hearsay, rumour and speculation in hearsay, rumour and speculation fr fritte— hearsay, rumour and speculation in phillip schofield quit this rrerrfr-ee— in phillip schofield quit this morning's show— in phillip schofield quit this morning's show after admitting frer— morning's show after admitting we re— morning's show after admitting we re reef— morning's show after admitting that he had an— morning's show after admitting that he had an affair with a werreer— that he had an affair with a younger colleague with evidence that younger colleague with evidence we we — younger colleague with evidence that we would _ younger colleague with evidence that we would have been able to a that we would have been able to ere— that we would have been able to efe ferrer— that we would have been able to efe ferrer e— that we would have been able to a to launch a formal investigation in because the errrefffee— investigation in because the embattled balance of power , the embattled balance of power, the frrreferee— embattled balance of power, the frrreferee fr— embattled balance of power, the imbalance in in— embattled balance of power, the imbalance in in in— embattled balance of power, the imbalance in in in of dynamics in imbalance in in in of dynamics fr frer— imbalance in in in of dynamics in that relationship makes it eeeew— in that relationship makes it deeply inappropriate. �*vw�*rt; in that relationship makes it deeply inappropriate. �*thrt; : deeply inappropriate. we worked very very— deeply inappropriate. we worked very very hard hard for many many months in fact until recently to ask people not just

phillip schofield and person x, but people in production if they had if they knew something was going on and it was repeatedly denied by both individuals. a third person killed in the effeete— third person killed in the effeete fr— third person killed in the attacks in nottingham has been reree— attacks in nottingham has been rerree e— attacks in nottingham has been named a school— attacks in nottingham has been named a school caretaker , ian named a school caretaker, ian eeere— named a school caretaker, ian eeefe. rre— named a school caretaker, ian eeefe. wre er— named a school caretaker, ian coats. his van was— named a school caretaker, ian coats. his van was stolen and reee— coats. his van was stolen and ref fe— coats. his van was stolen and ref fe rwr— coats. his van was stolen and used to run over— coats. his van was stolen and used to run over three people wre— used to run over three people wre wee— used to run over three people who were taken— used to run over three people who were taken to hospital . all who were taken to hospital. all 19 who were taken to hospital. all ff weer— who were taken to hospital. all ff weer ete— who were taken to hospital. all 19 year old barnaby weber was eree— 19 year old barnaby weber was also stabbed— 19 year old barnaby weber was also stabbed to— 19 year old barnaby weber was also stabbed to death along with ereee— also stabbed to death along with grace coomber,— also stabbed to death along with grace coomber, who's been named feeeffw— grace coomber, who's been named feeeffw. refr— grace coomber, who's been named locally. both were— grace coomber, who's been named locally. both were said to be terrier— locally. both were said to be eerrfer ere— locally. both were said to be popular and talented sports people-— popular and talented sports eeerfe. a— popular and talented sports eeerfe. a fr— popular and talented sports people. a 31 year old man is effu— people. a 31 year old man is effff refre— people. a 31 year old man is still being questioned by police wre— still being questioned by police wre ee— still being questioned by police wre trying— still being questioned by police who are trying to— still being questioned by police who are trying to establish a rreffwe— who are trying to establish a rreffwe .— who are trying to establish a motive . stronger trade bars, motive. stronger trade bars, erre— motive. stronger trade bars, erre ere— motive. stronger trade bars, pubs and shops— motive. stronger trade bars, pubs and shops has helped the eeererrw— pubs and shops has helped the economy return— pubs and shops has helped the economy return to— pubs and shops has helped the economy return to growth. the free— economy return to growth. the latest figures— economy return to growth. the latest figures show it expanded by effe— latest figures show it expanded few we fr— latest figures show it expanded by 0.2% fr eerr— latest figures show it expanded by 0.2% in april, recovering frerr— by 0.2% in april, recovering frerr e— by 0.2% in april, recovering frerr e effe— by 0.2% in april, recovering from a 0.3% fall.- by 0.2% in april, recovering from a 0.3% fall. the previous merr— from a 0.3% fall. the previous month. chancellor— from a 0.3% fall. the previous month. chancellor jeremy hunt has month. chancellorjeremy hunt has welcomed— month. chancellorjeremy hunt has welcomed the data, but eerrffe— has welcomed the data, but admits more— has welcomed the data, but admits more work needs to be

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happening here. wake up two mornings on gb news. the people's channel britain . good people's channel britain. good morning. it's1138. you're people's channel britain. good morning. it's 1138. you're with to morning. it's1138. you're with to the point on gb news now. big story this week ministers are facing calls to relax abortion laws after a woman was jailed for carrying out a late term termination on the day the baby was between 32 to 34 weeks, well past britain's legal limit of 24 weeks. she took pills which are to weeks. she took pills which are fe freree— weeks. she took pills which are fe frefree fe— weeks. she took pills which are to induce to induce— she took pills which are to induce to induce the to freree— to induce to induce the to frefree fre— to induce to induce the to induce the child . she's got induce the child. she's got sentence for— induce the child. she's got sentence for 28— induce the child. she's got sentence for 28 days. we've got wffr— sentence for 28 days. we've got wffr re— sentence for 28 days. we've got wffr re rrrrre—

sentence for 28 days. we've got with us emma webb, of course, effreefer— with us emma webb, of course, erreefer ef— with us emma webb, of course, director of the— with us emma webb, of course, director of the common sense eeefefw— director of the common sense seefefw ere— director of the common sense society and stephen pound mp. rrrrre— society and stephen pound mp. rrrrre wre— society and stephen pound mp. rrrrre, werwe eer— society and stephen pound mp. emma, you've got really strong wewe— emma, you've got really strong wfewelfrfe— emma, you've got really strong views this because rishi views on this because rishi srret— views on this because rishi sunak number— views on this because rishi sunak number ruled out sunak number 10 has ruled out any sunak number 10 has ruled out erw fe— sunak number 10 has ruled out erw re ereree— sunak number 10 has ruled out any to change abortion she any to change abortion law. she was sentenced— any to change abortion law. she was sentenced under 1851 law. i was sentenced under1851 law. i e erre— was sentenced under1851 law. i mean, a child that— was sentenced under 1851 law. i mean, a child that is between 32 ere— mean, a child that is between 32 ere fr— mean, a child that is between 32 ere fr eere— mean, a child that is between 32 and 34 weeks, even— mean, a child that is between 32 and 34 weeks, even if you are wrefrer— and 34 weeks, even if you are wrefrer wer— and 34 weeks, even if you are whether you are _ and 34 weeks, even if you are whether you are someone who is ere—fre— whether you are someone who is rre—fffe—er- pro—life from conception or wrefrer— pro—life from conception or whether somebody who whether you are somebody who has a whether you are somebody who has e-wfew— whether you are somebody who has e-wfewlererffer- whether you are somebody who has a-view.abortion . - a moderate view on abortion. so,— a moderate view on abortion. selexerrefe— a moderate view on abortion. so,.example, other- a moderate view on abortion. i so,.example, other countries so, for example, other countries in europe, have a 12 week in europe, they have a 12 week limit on abortion analysis, 24 weeks. that's actually at the most end. well, you can most liberal end. well, you can have an abortion until term. have an abortion up until term. remember that in country, remember that in this country, wffr— remember that in this country, wffr-rferf— remember that in this country, with-right-underl with the right medical under exfrerrefw— with the right medical under extremely rare. _ with the right medical under extremely rare. ' with the right medical under extremely rare. ' extremely rare. and you also you also can if the child has something like syndrome, something like down syndrome, which i think is absolutely abhorrent because, i mean, there's a whole , whole other there's a whole, whole other debate to be had there about the fact syndrome fact that the down syndrome children are being discriminated against outraged people against in the outraged people because mother of because she's a mother of three children, one of whom has got special needs. so they've lost frerr— special needs. so they've lost their mother— special needs. so they've lost their mother now,— t : so they've lost their mother now, don't we their mother now, i don't we eer-f— their mother now, i don't we eer-f erew— their mother now, i don't we don't know what's happening to freee— don't know what's happening to freee-wee— don't know what's happening to those-kids. 28— don't know what's happening to those kids. 28 week, 28 those three kids. 28 week, 28 rrerfre— those three kids. 28 week, 28 rrerfre-ee- those three kids. 28 week, 28 months-do you- those three kids. 28 week, 28 months do you think those three kids. 28 week, 28 mon was do you think those three kids. 28 week, 28 mon was too do you think those three kids. 28 week, 28 monwas too severe? you think those three kids. 28 week, 28 monwas too severe? yifi think

that was too severe? i if erwfrfre— that was too severe? i if anythingr r— that was too severe? i if anything, i think it's probably on anything, i think it's probably er fre— anything, i think it's probably on the lenient— anything, i think it's probably on the lenient side. '“r: on the lenient side. and i know frer— on the lenient side. and i know free e— on the lenient side. and i know that a lot of people will be very offended that. very offended by that. and i think you know, can think that, you know, i can totally understand why people would her would sympathise with her situation when situation during lockdown when she with her she moved back in with her former partner. the baby was somebody else's child. you can sympathise with, you know, who knows what was going on in that domestic situation. it's not to say that you don't recognise that there was probably something terrible going on for her at time her psychologically at that time , but that doesn't mean that you can kill child, a child that can kill a child, a child that is between 32 and 34 weeks is a viable baby. that is a human life . if the child had been born life. if the child had been born and there was a horrible situation during lockdown and a mother had murdered her own baby, and that would be infanticide , you wouldn't infanticide, you wouldn't therefore say, well , you know, therefore say, well, you know, therefore say, well, you know, the mother was having a hard time. i'm sorry, but you have to have certain protections, whether whether you're anti—abortion,. or whether you have a reasonable moderate view on abortion . after weeks, the on abortion. after 24 weeks, the reason why the line is there in

the law is because that is a viable baby that is a human life, and your reproductive rights as a woman do not extend and your bodily autonomy, i have to say, does not extend to murdering another life . i murdering another life. i obviously completely disagree reeere— obviously completely disagree reeere fre— obviously completely disagree because the risk— obviously completely disagree because the risk is anything frer— because the risk is anything we we— because the risk is anything that we learned _ because the risk is anything that we learned during the rereerrfe— that we learned during the eereerrfe .— that we learned during the pandemic. it— that we learned during the pandemic. it is- that we learned during the pandemic. it is the idea that we learned during the pandemic . it is the idea that pandemic. it is the idea that eerrw— pandemic. it is the idea that bodily autonomy, what you decide to bodily autonomy, what you decide fe ee— bodily autonomy, what you decide fe ee wffr— bodily autonomy, what you decide fe ee wffr werr— bodily autonomy, what you decide to do with your body as a eerfferf— to do with your body as a sentient adult— to do with your body as a sentient adult human female , all sentient adult human female, all rrref— sentient adult human female, all rrref frrrre— sentient adult human female, all rrref frrrre eff— sentient adult human female, all must trump all other laws , must trump all other laws, government's— must trump all other laws, government's regulations . and government's regulations. and it's government's regulations. and ff-efrfe— government's regulations. and we we erew— government's regulations. and it's this story is— government's regulations. and it's this story is tragic. but wref— it's this story is tragic. but we erere— it's this story is tragic. but what about the— it's this story is tragic. but what about the bodily autonomy of the child? does the child not have a right to its own body? but if you take that to its logical conclusion and we are living if we are living under living in if we are living under a government, who decides that if you as the if you get pregnant, you as the woman, your rights are erell right now, that child , that right now, that child, that child's life trumps your human centred existence. i think that

the centred existence. i think that fre eerereef— centred existence. i think that the sentence was— centred existence. i think that the sentence was way- rt.rt;“th;r: rt;;e< t i think that the sentence was way too rt.rt7“th;r: rt;;e< t i think that the sentence was way too harsh. i the sentence was way too harsh. r rreer— the sentence was way too harsh. r ,— the sentence was way too harsh. r , ff-e— the sentence was way too harsh. i mean , it's all,— the sentence was way too harsh. i mean , it's all, you know, to i mean, it's all, you know, to ererf— i mean, it's all, you know, to care about the— i mean, it's all, you know, to care about the unborn child. wereerfrf— care about the unborn child. wonderful all— care about the unborn child. wonderful all but what about the free— wonderful all but what about the three children— wonderful all but what about the three children who— wonderful all but what about the three children who are left at rerref— three children who are left at rerref — three children who are left at rerref rte— three children who are left at home? it's also— three children who are left at home? t home? it's also about they at that point are important. but the well—being of those- the well—being of those three refr— the well—being of those three feff ef— the well—being of those three left at home,— the well—being of those three left at home, what do you think? frre— left at home, what do you think? we re— left at home, what do you think? we fe efwewe— left at home, what do you think? this is always difficult. - left at home, what do you think? ’“ r: rt this this is always difficult. this is an horrific act. this- this is always difficult. this is an horrific act. this is- t“ r: rt this is an horrific act. this is not fre— is an horrific act. this is not the handmaid's— is an horrific act. this is not the handmaid's tale here. we're rewire— the handmaid's tale here. we're fefwre erere— the handmaid's tale here. we're talking about a— the handmaid's tale here. we're talking about a person making a ereree.— talking about a person making a ereree. feet,— talking about a person making a choice. look, we— talking about a person making a choice. look, we have a very in frre— choice. look, we have a very in we eerrfrw— choice. look, we have a very in this country. we— choice. look, we have a very in this country. we have a compromise— this country. we have a compromise which very painful compromise which is very painful for compromise which is very painful fer-eerw— compromise which is very painful fer-merw eeeefe. - compromise which is very painful for many people. there for a great many people. there are for a great many people. there ere-wew— for a great many people. there ere-wew-wfewel are very, very strong views. fre — are very, very strong views. you've expressed yours. i you've expressed yours. and i frfrt— you've expressed yours. and i frfrt-eee— you've expressed yours. and i think-god-you. . think emma, god love you. i frfrt— think emma, god love you. i frfrt-wer— think emma, god love you. i think you actually think you're you actually exereeeee— think you're you actually expressed sympathy was very, expressed the sympathy was very, wew— very impressive because there weef—r- very impressive because there weef—r frre- very impressive because there. was—in this story. was no good news in this story. free-e— was no good news in this story. there's nothing— was no good news in this story. there's nothing good any there's nothing good for any efrefe— there's nothing good for any efrefe rereer— there's nothing good for any single person involved in it. erf— single person involved in it.- but—compromise but look, we have a compromise wrerefw—ffrrffl whereby 24 weeks is the limit. are— whereby 24 weeks is the limit. arelfrfrt— whereby 24 weeks is the limit. arelfrfrt we— whereby 24 weeks is the limit. and think we have to respect and i think we have to respect frer— and i think we have to respect free. we— and i think we have to respect free. we reve— and i think we have to respect that. we have to— and i think we have to respect that. we have to respect that 24 ere— that. we have to respect that 24 ere rreer— that. we have to respect that 24 ere rreer erw— that. we have to respect that 24 and under any circumstances. no, of and under any circumstances. no, ef—fre— and under any circumstances. no, ef—fre reeffr- and under any circumstances. no, of_the health of. of course not. if the health of fre— of course not. if the health of we rrefrer— of course not. if the health of the mother is— of course not. if the health of the mother is so— of course not. if the health of the mother is so dangerous and, you— the mother is so dangerous and, wer erew— the mother is so dangerous and, yer trew ere— the mother is so dangerous and, yer trew ere r— the mother is so dangerous and, you know, and i know that there eer-e— you know, and i know that there can-a termination— you know, and i know that there can a termination up to half can be a termination up to half an can be a termination up to half er rerr— can be a termination up to half an hour beforehand mother an hour beforehand if the mother is an hour beforehand if the mother fe—referf.— an hour beforehand if the mother fe—referf. fer- is going to die. right. you

erew— is going to die. right. you wew-frer— is going to die. right. you know, that happens, which is know, and that happens, which is one know, and that happens, which is ere-wewere— know, and that happens, which is one problems didn't one of the problems we didn't reve— one of the problems we didn't have—ireland. . one of the problems we didn't. have—ireland. there have in northern ireland. there was-issue with- have in northern ireland. there was-issue with this. was no health issue with this mother. she decided she didn't want partly she want it, partly because she hadnt want it, partly because she hadn't tell the hadn't brought her to tell the partner it wasn't his child. and the other factor is that the abortifacients that she took were illegally anyway. were illegally obtained anyway. so to so should she have gone to prison? yeah, think she prison? yeah, i think she has to, prison? yeah, i think she has re, reeere— prison? yeah, i think she has to, because-is- prison? yeah, i think she has to, because-is the. prison? yeah, i think she hasi to, because-is the law. to, because the law is the law. erf— to, because the law is the law. rrf wref— to, because the law is the law. but what about— to, because the law is the law. but what about those three erffererf— but what about those three children?-months?- but what about those three children? 7 “cir?" but what about those three- children?-months? yeah, 28 children? 28 months? yeah, 28 months. well, she'll out months. 28. well, she'll be out in, months. 28. well, she'll be out t.,_tte_ months. 28. well, she'll be out t.,_tte we.- months. 28. well, she'll be out in, 14? no, but what in, what, six? 14? no, but what about those three children who were at home without their mother? yeah, heart mother? yeah, but my heart tweete— mother? yeah, but my heart weere fer— mother? yeah, but my heart breaks for them. - ”7’ yeah, but my heart breaks for them. t breaks for them. because you say that about any case, any that about any single case, any single woman who she's no threat to the public. she's threat. to the public. she's no threat. erf— to the public. she's no threat. err-freefre- to the public. she's no threat.- but-imagine-poses but imagine, imagine being poses no but imagine, imagine being poses re-erwreew. — but imagine, imagine being poses no-anybody. imagine. no threat to anybody. imagine efferen— no threat to anybody. imagine children anyway, those children think anyway, those three who know that three children who know that their killed. their sibling has been killed. yeah. impact ? yeah. what does it impact? well, i'd like to think “cir?" velma; : t t7 well, i'd like to think that frew— well, i'd like to think that frew werfe— well, i'd like to think that they would understand and that frerr—rreer- they would understand and that their under extreme their mother was under extreme ereeerre-weere— their mother was under extreme pressure -years old - their mother was under extreme pressure years old with pressure at 44 years old with free— pressure at 44 years old with three children. _ pressure at 44 years old with three children. one of them was eferfffeerf— three children. one of them was significant learning needs in a wew— significant learning needs in a very complicated— significant learning needs in a very complicated what sounds rte— very complicated what sounds likelromantic_ very complicated what sounds like romantic situation, like a romantic situation, that ere-ef— like a romantic situation, that ere-e—e- she'd got herself into a ferrfrfe— she'd got herself into a terrible mess- she'd got herself into a terrible mess she she'd got herself into a- terrible mess-she didn't terrible mess where she didn't erew— terrible mess where she didn't trew wre— terrible mess where she didn't know who was— terrible mess where she didn't

know who was the of this know who was the father of this erre— know who was the father of this erffe ere— know who was the father of this erffe ere frr— know who was the father of this child and i'm sorry. my ewrrrerrfee— child and i'm sorry. my sympathies extend to the people wre— sympathies extend to the people wre-erwe— sympathies extend to the people wre-erwe .— sympathies extend to the people wre-erwe . ef— sympathies extend to the people who alive . of course, it is who are alive. of course, it is ewfrf— who are alive. of course, it is ewfrf frer— who are alive. of course, it is awful that that— who are alive. of course, it is awful that that baby wasn't eereefwee— awful that that baby wasn't conceived in— awful that that baby wasn't conceived in different circumstances. rwy conceived in different circumstances. conceived in different— circumstances. why should why should the baby that has been allowed by the mother to get so far along? why should why should that baby be the collateral damage , damage of what is damage, damage of what is admittedly a possibly we don't know very much about the domestic situation. a tragic situation for those involved, including the children , because including the children, because as stephen said, it's their sibling that has been killed and the sex with the partner was consensual. it's not as if there was a rape involved— consensual. it's not as if there was a rape involved or- t it's not as if there was a rape involved or the feefefer— was a rape involved or the efeefefer .— was a rape involved or the decision . you— was a rape involved or the decision . you know, we do we do decision. you know, we do we do rrerefffw— decision. you know, we do we do rrerefffw . — decision. you know, we do we do morality . that's— decision. you know, we do we do morality . t“ “g morality. that's punishing her for her moral choice . and i have for her moral choice. and i have a huge issue with that because none of us are morally . but we none of us are morally. but we don't. we don't we none of us reve— don't. we don't we none of us rewe fre— don't. we don't we none of us rewe fre rferf— don't. we don't we none of us have the right in— r:rtr“ t we don't we none of us have the right in whatever tricky— have the right in whatever tricky situation _ have the right in whatever tricky situation to murder erefrer— tricky situation to murder erere-.- tricky situation to murder another-. and- tricky situation to murder another . and the tricky situation to murder- another-. and the argument another person. and the argument for another person. and the argument fer eerrw— another person. and the argument for bodily autonomy extends to reereeffre— for bodily autonomy extends to respecting people's right respecting other people's right to respecting other people's right fe ffwe. — respecting other people's right fe ffwe. are— respecting other people's right to live. and that—

respecting other people's right to live. and that baby, like i an,— to live. and that baby, like i said, whether— to live. and that baby, like i said, whether you take a liberal wew— said, whether you take a liberal view on abortion— said, whether you take a liberal view on abortion or whether you fete— view on abortion or whether you fete er— view on abortion or whether you take an absolute— view on abortion or whether you take an absolute pro—life view on take an absolute pro—life view er nono..— take an absolute pro—life view on abortion, that— take an absolute pro—life view on abortion, that was a baby. are— on abortion, that was a baby. are erere— on abortion, that was a baby. and there are— on abortion, that was a baby. and there are many, many people wre— and there are many, many people wre rewe— and there are many, many people wre rewe reer— and there are many, many people who have been of— and there are many, many people who have been of course, there are who have been of course, there refe— who have been of course, there fefe ef— who have been of course, there are lots of people— who have been of course, there are lots of people who have been reererefre— are lots of people who have been responding—this,- responding in offence at this, erf— responding in offence at this, erf frere— responding in offence at this, but there-many,- responding in offence at this, but there many, many people but there are many, many people wre—eewfre- but there are many, many people wre—eewfrelwee- but there are many, many people who saying, was born who have been saying, i was born eerfer— who have been saying, i was born eerfer-frer— who have been saying, i was born earlier-that baby— earlier than that baby was terminated— earlier than that baby was terminated-i- earlier than that baby was terminated i survived and terminated and i survived and rwe— terminated and i survived and we twee— terminated and i survived and we twee e— terminated and i survived and i've lived a good— terminated and i survived and i've lived a good life. but what you— i've lived a good life. but what you ere— i've lived a good life. but what you are asking that woman to do is give birth to child that you are asking that woman to do is not|ive birth to child that you are asking that woman to do is not wanted.i to child that you are asking that woman to do is not wanted. and child that you are asking that woman to do is not wanted. and weild that you are asking that woman to do is not wanted. and we need at you are asking that woman to do is not wanted. and we need to live a world where as many live in a world where as many does that justify killing it? but why didn't she get live but why didn't she get to live in where as many in a world where as many children as possible all are born to parents who want them? because who were not because children who were not wanted not always, because children who were not wan much not always, because children who were not wan much less not always, because children who were not wanmuch less happyt always, because children who were not wanmuch less happy lives?is, because children who were not wanmuch less happy lives? is but much less happy lives? is there point? also, if the there not a point? also, if the court there not a point? also, if the eerrf errr-f— there not a point? also, if the court didn't take— there not a point? also, if the court didn't take this- “7 also, if the court didn't take this position, efrer— court didn't take this position, other mothers— court didn't take this position, other mothers take the same other mothers may take the same efeefefer — other mothers may take the same efeefefer frer— other mothers may take the same decision that-can— other mothers may take the same decision that can they decision that they can end. they eer-fre— decision that they can end. they can-the pregnancy- decision that they can end. they can the pregnancy at 35 can end the pregnancy at 35 eeer— can end the pregnancy at 35 eeer fe— can end the pregnancy at 35 weeks, 36 weeks— can end the pregnancy at 35 weeks, 36 weeks just because we— weeks, 36 weeks just because frew eer-f— weeks, 36 weeks just because they don't want— weeks, 36 weeks just because they don't want it. /rtr. r:rtr they don't want it. you do not fear— they don't want it. you do not factor that that situation. factor that into that situation. i your point people i think your point about people refre— i think your point about people eere—erfere- i think your point about peoplej being—crime went being wanted when crime went rewr— being wanted when crime went eewr fr— being wanted when crime went eewr fr wew— being wanted when crime went down in new york— being wanted when crime went down in new york in the in 1970s ere— down in new york in the in 1970s ere freee— down in new york in the in 1970s ere freee r— down in new york in the in 1970s and 1980s, i really— down in new york in the in 1970s

and 1980s, i really thought it wffr— and 1980s, i really thought it was with rudy— and 1980s, i really thought it was with rudy giuliani, in fact, to was with rudy giuliani, in fact, fe—w— was with rudy giuliani, in fact, fe—w weee. - was with rudy giuliani, in fact, to_v wade. it's- to do with roe v wade. it's reeere— to do with roe v wade. it's becauselhuge_ to do with roe v wade. it's because huge number of because a huge number of rrwerfee— because a huge number of unwanted children were not being frerr.— unwanted children were not being frerr—feel born. and that's, you know, it's eerrew—erf- actually demonstrable. but i were— actually demonstrable. but i werfe-fref— actually demonstrable. but i would that children in would say that most children in frre— would say that most children in ere-ere— would say that most children in this-are wanted. - would say that most children in this-are wanted. i- would say that most children in this are wanted. i mean, this country are wanted. i mean, free— this country are wanted. i mean, free ee— this country are wanted. i mean, free rree— this country are wanted. i mean, there are huge numbers of erierer— there are huge numbers of children awaiting adoption, ewefffre— awaiting fostering. we know frer— awaiting fostering. we know free-r— awaiting fostering. we know free-r erew— awaiting fostering. we know that.-i know so- awaiting fostering. we know that. i know so many people, awaiting fostering. we know themany i know so many people, awaiting fostering. we know themany youngv so many people, awaiting fostering. we know themany young childreny people, awaiting fostering. we know themany young childreny pecwere so many young children who were eererr— so many young children who were eererr-ee— so many young children who were erererflee fw— so many young children who were brought as by foster parents brought up as by foster parents or brought up as by foster parents er eeeefee— brought up as by foster parents or adopted - had - brought up as by foster parents or adopted had very , very or adopted who've had very, very happy- _ or adopted who've had very, very happy- -are_ or adopted who've had very, very happy- -are also- or adopted who've had very, very happy. -are also many- or adopted who've had very, very- happy. -are also many women happy. there are also many women who by their who are pressured by their partners having an partners into having an abortion. said, don't abortion. like i said, we don't know domestic situation with know the domestic situation with this if you if you this lady, but if you if you will that the logic, the will say that the logic, the precedent, this sets has the result of eroding women's rights all the way back to conception, surely you can see that if you were to give this woman a lenient punishment, the logic goesin lenient punishment, the logic goes in the opposite direction of not upholding the law and then lots of babies viable children having their lives terminated and that being something that someone could be pressured into by their partner. it's a fascinating discussion, erf— it's a fascinating discussion, erf eerrw— it's a fascinating discussion, but sadly, we've— it's a fascinating discussion, but sadly, we've got to bring it to but sadly, we've got to bring it fe er— but sadly, we've got to bring it fe er ere— but sadly, we've got to bring it to an end because—

but sadly, we've got to bring it to an end because we've run out of to an end because we've run out ef frre— to an end because we've run out of time, because— to an end because we've run out of time, because we're going feet— of time, because we're going feet fe— of time, because we're going back to westminster, because frre— back to westminster, because we rrfrre— back to westminster, because this prime minister's question frre— time today to emma webb, thank you time today to emma webb, thank yer—wew— time today to emma webb, thank yer—wew ererrrerfl you for making your argument wew— you for making your argument wew eewerfrfw. — you for making your argument very powerfully. stephen pound efwewe— very powerfully. stephen pound efwewe ereree— very powerfully. stephen pound always makes your argument very eewerfrfw— powerfully right? gb news live is powerfully right? gb news live fe—efxer- is next with stephen dixon feeew. — is next with stephen dixon feeew. .ree- is next with stephen dixon today. .has been- is next with stephen dixon today. t“ is next with stephen dixon. today. .has been to the today. this has been to the point with andrew and bev. we're back tomorrow at 930. see you then

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