pay for not? and how would we pay for it? what not.7 and how would we pay for it? what would not.7 and how would we pay for it.7 what would it mean for the rest of the nhs if they did get their 35.7 what do you make to it all.7 and their 35? what do you make to it all? and philip schofield that thing all went a little bit quiet, didn't it? it's all popped up quiet, didn't it? it's all popped up again today though, because being because the bosses are being grilled in parliament and itv bosses have admitted that there wasn't a formal investigation in after all. should there have been and happy birthday to me , been and happy birthday to me, quite frankly. you know, it's two years to the day today that the first ever dewbs& co popped up. we'll be looking back at that and also the rnli for the first time. they have issued a set of reports which basically shows just how involved they have been when it comes to people crossing the channel. some people saying, yes, what the rnli do is fantastic. other people saying, hang on a second, what you are doing now is perhaps enabling people, making them actually choose to get on those dinghies in the first place because they know they're

going to be rescued. what says you to that? we'll have it all to come. but before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with the very latest headunes speed with the very latest headlines middlehurst headlines with polly middlehurst . michelle, thank you. good evening. — . michelle, thank you. good evening. and— . michelle, thank you. good evening. and as— michelle, thank you. good evening. and as you've just been hearing— evening. and as you've just been hearing ,— evening. and as you've just been hearing , a— evening. and as you've just been hearing , a vign— evening. and as you've just been hearing, a vigil has been evening. and as you've just been hearing , a vigil has been held hearing, a vigil has been held this— hearing, a vigil has been held this afternoon— hearing, a vigil has been held this afternoon for— hearing, a vigil has been held this afternoon for the victims of yesterday-s— this afternoon for the victims of yesterday's attacks in nottingham.— of yesterday's attacks in nottingham. thousands of students— nottingham. thousands of students and— nottingham. thousands of students and staff attended the ceremony hem— students and staff attended the ceremony held in— students and staff attended the ceremony held in the grounds of the university— ceremony held in the grounds of the university of— ceremony held in the grounds of the university of nottingham following— the university of nottingham following the _ the university of nottingham following the deaths of 19 year eme- — following the deaths of 19 year eme- grace— following the deaths of 19 year olds. grace o'malley , kumar and olds. grace o'malley, kumar and barnaby— olds. grace o'malley, kumar and barnaby webber_ olds. grace o'malley, kumar and barnaby webber ._ olds. grace o'malley, kumar and barnaby webber . school caretaker barnaby webber. school caretaker ian barnaby webber. school caretaker .... ceeeee— barnaby webber. school caretaker ian coates was— barnaby webber. school caretaker ian coates was named as the there— ian coates was named as the rnrro neron— ian coates was named as the third person fatally stabbed in not— third person fatally stabbed in not anaer— third person fatally stabbed in that attack today. his van had been— that attack today. his van had been soren— that attack today. his van had been stolen and— that attack today. his van had been stolen and then it was used to target— been stolen and then it was used to target others. _ been stolen and then it was used to target others. speaking at the to target others. speaking at rne vign— to target others. speaking at rne vigil or— to target others. speaking at the vigil at nottingham university,— the vigil at nottingham university, students union representative _ university, students union representative daisy foster said born— representative daisy foster said both students— representative daisy foster said both students will be dearly nreeeo— both students will be dearly nreeeo . — both students will be dearly missed . what— both students will be dearly missed . kiowa : both students will be dearly missed . : missed. what should have been one of the biggest celebrations for the student body has turned into one of our darkest days. but the messaging and support

i've seen from so many of you, the way you have stuck together , held each other up and shared support , has been both inspiring support, has been both inspiring and heartbreaking to witness . and heartbreaking to witness. bunny and grace are a monumental loss as they were both first years with ambitions, potential and dreams . what was taken from and dreams. what was taken from us yesterday , they will never be us yesterday, they will never be given back and the shockwaves echo through our student . echo through our student. community well, the parents of non— community well, the parents of non teenagers— community well, the parents of both teenagers shared- " can well, the parents of both teenagers shared how much university— both teenagers shared how much university life— both teenagers shared how much university life and— both teenagers shared how much university life and friendships in nottingham _ university life and friendships in nottingham had meant to grace and borneo.— in nottingham had meant to grace and barnev- .— in nottingham had meant to grace and barney. i know— in nottingham had meant to grace and barney. i know barney would be super— and barney. i know barney would be super touched— and barney. i know barney would be super touched by everyone mot-e— be super touched by everyone rnor-e nere— be super touched by everyone that's here and— be super touched by everyone that's here and he loved it. rzi; that's here and he loved it. he loved— that's here and he loved it. he loved it— that's here and he loved it. he loved it here. _ that's here and he loved it. he loved it here. he— that's here and he loved it. he loved it here. he couldn't wait to come back, drove me mad. but . his heart will be with you

guys forever . look after each guys forever. look after each other . it's the big guys forever. look after each other. it's the big thing is that look after your friends and look after people around you . look after people around you. meanwhile, detectives are investigating— meanwhile, detectives are investigating cctv footage of a nno— investigating cctv footage of a man who appears— investigating cctv footage of a man who appears to match the description — man who appears to match the description of— man who appears to match the description of the— man who appears to match the description of the nottingham anaer— description of the nottingham attack suspect— description of the nottingham attack suspect attempting to enter— attack suspect attempting to enter o— attack suspect attempting to enter a window— attack suspect attempting to enter a window of a residential care home. the— enter a window of a residential care home. the incident wasn't reported— care home. the incident wasn't renoneo ro— care home. the incident wasn't reported to police— care home. the incident wasn't reported to police at the time one— reported to police at the time one no— reported to police at the time and no residents— reported to police at the time and no residents were hurt. and and no residents were hurt. and oer— and no residents were hurt. and an year— and no residents were hurt. and an yeor ore— and no residents were hurt. and a 31 year old man— and no residents were hurt. and a 31 year old man with a history of a 31 year old man with a history or vrorenoe— a 31 year old man with a history of violence is— a 31 year old man with a history of violence is still— a 31 year old man with a history of violence is still being questioned— of violence is still being questioned by- of violence is still being questioned by police. earlier, gb questioned by police. earlier, ee newe— questioned by police. earlier, gb news spoke— questioned by police. earlier, gb news spoke to jason derbyshirer_ gb news spoke to jason derbyshire, a- gb news spoke to jason derbyshire, a resident from that care home who— derbyshire, a resident from that care home who was an eye witness to me— care home who was an eye witness to the attempted— care home who was an eye witness to the attempted break in rnrongn— to the attempted break in rnrongn rne— to the attempted break in through the curtains and there reor— through the curtains and there run one— through the curtains and there was just some guy stored under me— was just some guy stored under rnre eronnoy— was just some guy stored under rnre eronnoy ,— was just some guy stored under this archway , all— was just some guy stored under this archway , all dressed in this archway, all dressed in brook,— this archway, all dressed in brook, gor— this archway, all dressed in brook, go o— this archway, all dressed in black, got a black rucksack , black, got a black rucksack, brook— black, got a black rucksack, black beanie _ black, got a black rucksack, black beanie hat on, just storing— black beanie hat on, just storing or— black beanie hat on, just staring at the— black beanie hat on, just staring at the edges over there. and— staring at the edges over there. and gone— staring at the edges over there. one gone nook— staring at the edges over there. and gone back in— staring at the edges over there. and gone back in my— staring at the edges over there. and gone back in my room.- staring at the edges over there. and gone back in my room. had a wash. 30s later there's really

banging , wash. 30s later there's really banging, loud banging, trying to get through that window and i didn't see the security guard come out, but apparently he did. and the guy asked him, is it a hospital or a hostel? he went, no, it's a hostel. and then he just came back through this archway and just walked off there dead calm . so, yeah, it's there dead calm. so, yeah, it's horrendous . it's absolutely horrendous. it's absolutely horrendous. it's absolutely horrendous . that's what we can horrendous. that's what we can do that. i don't know. i really don't know. well in years away from nottingham today, a home office minister has said the government will provide more legal routes for refugees to enter the uk. lord murray of errononn— enter the uk. lord murray of blidworth says— enter the uk. lord murray of blidworth says new- cut lord murray of blidworth says new routes could be implemented— blidworth says new routes could be implemented as soon as the end— be implemented as soon as the end or— be implemented as soon as the end or next— be implemented as soon as the end of next year. _ be implemented as soon as the end of next year. that's after rnon— end of next year. that's after more than 9000— end of next year. that's after more than 9000 people crossed the more than 9000 people crossed rne english— more than 9000 people crossed the english channel in small none— the english channel in small none eo— the english channel in small none so for— the english channel in small boats so far this— the english channel in small boats so far this year. itv's nose— boats so far this year. itv's boss says— boats so far this year. itv's boss says both— boats so far this year. itv's boss says both parties involved in me— boss says both parties involved in rne enun— boss says both parties involved in the phillip schofield affair reoeoreory— in the phillip schofield affair repeatedly denied allegations of a relationship.—

repeatedly denied allegations of a relationship. chief executive done— a relationship. chief executive donne cororyn— a relationship. chief executive dame carolyn mccall has told mps aeron— dame carolyn mccall has told mps oorron nonre— dame carolyn mccall has told mps action would have— dame carolyn mccall has told mps action would have been taken had rnere— action would have been taken had rnere been— action would have been taken had rnere been ony— action would have been taken had there been any evidence. but rnere— there been any evidence. but rnere noe— there been any evidence. but there was only— there been any evidence. but there was only ever a rumour. rrv— there was only ever a rumour. rrv noeeee— there was only ever a rumour. itv bosses also— there was only ever a rumour. itv bosses also say they don't recognre— itv bosses also say they don't recognise claims— itv bosses also say they don't recognise claims of a toxic congre— recognise claims of a toxic culture for— recognise claims of a toxic culture for people working at the culture for people working at rne crowne— culture for people working at the daytime tv— culture for people working at the daytime tv show this morning , rnoneonoe— the daytime tv show this morning ,g.ogggngg or— the daytime tv show this morning , thousands of nhs— the daytime tv show this morning , thousands of nhs appointments and operations— , thousands of nhs appointments and operations are— , thousands of nhs appointments and operations are being erected— and operations are being gggggg ny— and operations are being affected by a— and operations are being affected by a junior doctors corke— affected by a junior doctors strike in— affected by a junior doctors strike in england. union members nove— strike in england. union members nove worked— strike in england. union members have walked out— strike in england. union members have walked out for 72 hours over an ongoing— have walked out for 72 hours over an ongoing dispute on pay. rne— over an ongoing dispute on pay. rne entren— over an ongoing dispute on pay. the british medical association is the british medical association re cocking— the british medical association is asking for— the british medical association re oenng for o— the british medical association is asking for a full restoration of payr— is asking for a full restoration or payr nnrcn— is asking for a full restoration or payr nnrcn rc— is asking for a full restoration of pay, which it says has seen a zero— of pay, which it says has seen a zero cur. — of pay, which it says has seen a 26% cut. they've— of pay, which it says has seen a 26% cut. they've so— of pay, which it says has seen a 26% cut. they've so far rejected a 26% cut. they've so far rejected n so.— 26% cut. they've so far rejected n so. oner- — 26% cut. they've so far rejected a 5% offer. the— 26% cut. they've so far rejected a 5% offer. the health secretary sreve— a 5% offer. the health secretary sceve borneo,— a 5% offer. the health secretary steve barclay, says— a 5% offer. the health secretary steve barclay, says it is fair eno— steve barclay, says it is fair and reasonable.— steve barclay, says it is fair and reasonable. i think a 35% pay— and reasonable. 1 think a 35% pay re— and reasonable. i think a 35% pay ro— and reasonable. i think a 35% poo o oo— and reasonable. i think a 35% pay rise to too many of your re— pay rise to too many of your viewers is seen— pay rise to too many of your viewers is seen as something cnoc-e— viewers is seen as something more our— viewers is seen as something more our of— viewers is seen as something that's out of step— viewers is seen as something that's out of step with what oneo— that's out of step with what they themselves would be receiving — they themselves would be recerorng . — they themselves would be receiving . so— they themselves would be receiving . “ec they themselves would be - receiving . so we had talks with receiving. so we had talks with the junior doctors. the junior doctors walked away from those discussions, even though we

brought in the intermediary that they asked us to do, and we made them an offer, a 5% plus a lump sum in line with what's being offered for paramedics , for offered for paramedics, for midwives, for nurses , for many midwives, for nurses, for many others with the nhs . and today, others with the nhs. and today, unfortunately , the junior unfortunately, the junior doctors have refused to move at all from their demand for 35. the health secretary there, you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. back now to . michelle thanks for that, polly. our michelle dewberry. thanks for that, polly. our michelleyou vberry. thanks for that, polly. our michelleyou company keeping you company right through tonight. through until 7:00 tonight. keeping me company. i have got none of than the historian and gb news contributor david starkey and i've also got this. ladies and gents, an empty chair. look at that. sitting on

that chair imminently. i am confident , that chair imminently. i am confident, is that chair imminently. i am confident , is the that chair imminently. i am confident, is the co—founder of novara media. aaron bastani pubuc novara media. aaron bastani public transport. don't you just love it when it runs late? aaron though ? obe the kind of guy he though? obe the kind of guy he thinks that it should all be. pub what's the word? renationalise some of this pubuc renationalise some of this public transport. so that'll be an interesting conversation when he finally does make it. an interesting conversation when he finally does make it . anyway, he finally does make it. anyway, you the drill as well. you know the drill as well. don't not just about don't you? it's not just about us. or 2 in a chair. it's us. 3 or 2 in a chair. it's about you at home as well. what is on your mind tonight? you can get in touch. all of the usual ways. gb views. gb news .com is how you reach me you can how you reach me or you can tweet me at gb news. but first up, of course you will all be by now very, very familiar with the horrific goings on in nottingham. yesterday we covered them extensively as they happened. mark white, our home and securities editor, has been there all day long and joins me to bring us all up to speed with the very latest developments. mark, good evening. what can you tell us today ? well paul, today

tell us today? well paul, today has been a very emotional day, of course, as we heard from from the father of grace kumar , the the father of grace kumar, the young aspiring doctor on that medical degree, just 19 years old, who was stabbed to death in ilkeston road, stabbed to death alongside barney weber, who turned and fellow nottingham university motty study , who was university motty study, who was studying history at the time. that student , studying history at the time. that student, his studying history at the time. that student , his father studying history at the time. that student, his father , david that student, his father, david web...— that student, his father, david pogo... ogorn— that student, his father, david weber, again also addressing one— weber, again also addressing one vign— weber, again also addressing this vigil, really— weber, again also addressing this vigil, really talking about now— this vigil, really talking about now nocn— this vigil, really talking about how much his— this vigil, really talking about how much his son meant to him. it how much his son meant to him. n woe— how much his son meant to him. n vero— how much his son meant to him. n veryr vero— how much his son meant to him. it was very, very emotional to neor— it was very, very emotional to neor from — it was very, very emotional to hear from david— it was very, very emotional to hear from david weber and also from— hear from david weber and also from one— hear from david weber and also from the doctor— hear from david weber and also from the doctor kumar. how he nopeo— from the doctor kumar. how he nopeo rnor— from the doctor kumar. how he nopeo not no— from the doctor kumar. how he hoped that his daughter was going— hoped that his daughter was gorng ro— hoped that his daughter was going to follow— hoped that his daughter was going to follow in his footsteps - apps— going to follow in his footsteps . appe one— going to follow in his footsteps . appe ono rn— going to follow in his footsteps . apps and in tandem with, of one— . apps and in tandem with, of course, the very— . apps and in tandem with, of course, the very emotional side, the course, the very emotional side,

one vign— course, the very emotional side, one orgrr cnoc— course, the very emotional side, the vigil that we've been neonng— the vigil that we've been hearing about— the vigil that we've been hearing about today is the ongorng— hearing about today is the ongoing police— hearing about today is the ongoing police investigation. ano— ongoing police investigation. and one— ongoing police investigation. and one thing— ongoing police investigation. and one thing that's become creor— and one thing that's become creor re— and one thing that's become clear is that— and one thing that's become clear is that we're not just cooking— clear is that we're not just talking about— clear is that we're not just talking about four crime scenes as talking about four crime scenes oe we noo— talking about four crime scenes as we had believed until up till opoor— as we had believed until up till about lunchtime— as we had believed until up till about lunchtime today , that about lunchtime today, that rrkeecon — about lunchtime today, that ilkeston road,— about lunchtime today, that ilkeston road, where these two young— ilkeston road, where these two oonng screene— ilkeston road, where these two young students were stabbed to oeocn. — young students were stabbed to death. magdala_ young students were stabbed to death. magdala road, where ian coocee— death. magdala road, where ian cooree re— death. magdala road, where ian cooree is es— death. magdala road, where ian coates is 65 year— death. magdala road, where ian coates is 65 year old school reocner,— coates is 65 year old school teacher, school— coates is 65 year old school teacher, school caretaker , was teacher, school caretaker, was cropped— teacher, school caretaker, was cropped to — teacher, school caretaker, was stabbed to death.— teacher, school caretaker, was stabbed to death. also so milton screen— stabbed to death. also so milton screen onere — stabbed to death. also so milton street, where the— stabbed to death. also so milton street, where the three members of street, where the three members or one — street, where the three members or one popnc— street, where the three members of the public were— street, where the three members of the public were run down, run down— of the public were run down, run down po— of the public were run down, run down po ron— of the public were run down, run down by ian coates— of the public were run down, run down by ian coates , stolen white down by ian coates, stolen white von— down by ian coates, stolen white von .— down by ian coates, stolen white von . ano— down by ian coates, stolen white von . and of— down by ian coates, stolen white van . and of course,— down by ian coates, stolen white van . and of course, the location van. and of course, the location onere— van. and of course, the location onere rnor— van. and of course, the location where that white— van. and of course, the location where that white van was evencoouo— where that white van was eventually stopped by the porce— eventually stopped by the porrce. noc— eventually stopped by the police. but now there's this rocorron— police. but now there's this roconon .— police. but now there's this roconon , o— police. but now there's this location , a residential care location, a residential care none— location, a residential care none for— location, a residential care home for vulnerable homeless people— home for vulnerable homeless peopre onere — home for vulnerable homeless people where it— home for vulnerable homeless people where it now appears that the people where it now appears that one pnne— people where it now appears that the prime suspect— people where it now appears that the prime suspect in this case onco— the prime suspect in this case rneo ro— the prime suspect in this case tried to enter— the prime suspect in this case tried to enter one— the prime suspect in this case tried to enter one of the rooms in one— tried to enter one of the rooms in this residence— tried to enter one of the rooms in this residence complex around

opoor— in this residence complex around opooc ers— in this residence complex around about 515 yesterday morning . about 515 yesterday morning. residence— about 515 yesterday morning. residents were— about 515 yesterday morning. residents were woken up to the conno— residents were woken up to the sound or— residents were woken up to the sound or nrn — residents were woken up to the sound of him banging on the window,— sound of him banging on the wrnoow, rrorng— sound of him banging on the window, trying to force open rnor— window, trying to force open that window. _ window, trying to force open that window. and before someone rnor— that window. and before someone not wo— that window. and before someone not rn— that window. and before someone that was in that— that window. and before someone that was in that residential conprex— that was in that residential complex then— that was in that residential complex then punched him in the roce— complex then punched him in the roce one— complex then punched him in the face and pushed— complex then punched him in the face and pushed him back from the face and pushed him back from one window.— face and pushed him back from one window r— face and pushed him back from the window. i was— face and pushed him back from the window. i was speaking a wowe— the window. i was speaking a little earlier— the window. i was speaking a little earlier to— the window. i was speaking a little earlier to jason derbyshire, - little earlier to jason derbyshire, another resident nee,— derbyshire, another resident nere, wno — derbyshire, another resident here, who said— derbyshire, another resident here, who said he was shocked micropro— here, who said he was shocked rnrwouo, or— here, who said he was shocked initially, of course,— here, who said he was shocked initially, of course, by the incident— initially, of course, by the incident as— initially, of course, by the incident as it— initially, of course, by the incident as it unfolded . but incident as it unfolded. but onen— incident as it unfolded. but onen reouo— incident as it unfolded. but then really just— incident as it unfolded. but then really just coming to terms wron— then really just coming to terms won one— then really just coming to terms won one cocc— then really just coming to terms with the fact that— then really just coming to terms with the fact that they had such a with the fact that they had such o croee— with the fact that they had such o croee cou— with the fact that they had such a close call here— with the fact that they had such a close call here that this was one— a close call here that this was one pnne— a close call here that this was the prime suspect— a close call here that this was the prime suspect in these nonpre— the prime suspect in these multiple murders , is that if multiple murders, is that if one— multiple murders, is that if this individual— multiple murders, is that if this individual had got in to this individual had got into one— this individual had got into this residence— this individual had got in to this residence complex, then were— this residence complex, then onere noo— this residence complex, then there may well— this residence complex, then there may well have been more wcwne— there may well have been more wcwne .— there may well have been more wcwne . so— there may well have been more victims . so when— there may well have been more victims . so when you say that, victims. so when you say that, work,— victims. so when you say that, gap, no— victims. so when you say that, mark, my goosebumps are up preconce— mark, my goosebumps are up because so many— mark, my goosebumps are up because so many people, as you say,— because so many people, as you coo, nove— because so many people, as you so nowe been— because so many people, as you say, have been coming out today coorng— say, have been coming out today coorng rnere— say, have been coming out today saying there but— say, have been coming out today saying there but for the grace of coo,—

saying there but for the grace of coo, go— saying there but for the grace of coo, go .. — saying there but for the grace of god, go i. kiowa of god, go i. what's the latest then with the suspect? any updates around any potential charges or anything, any developments there ? well the developments there? well the latest we heard was that he wasn't really cooperating with the investigating officers. now , that's going to make q3 g f now , that's going to make their q3 q f now , that's going to make their job woo— , that's going to make their job not nwcn— , that's going to make their job that much more— , that's going to make their job that much more complicated in trying— that much more complicated in rrorng ro— that much more complicated in trying to determine whether were— trying to determine whether onere nrgnc— trying to determine whether there might be— trying to determine whether there might be any terrorist nonwowon— there might be any terrorist motivation to _ there might be any terrorist motivation to what happened in the motivation to what happened in one early— motivation to what happened in the early hours— motivation to what happened in the early hours of— motivation to what happened in the early hours of yesterday morning,— the early hours of yesterday morning, because if he's not working— morning, because if he's not rowing ro— morning, because if he's not talking to the— morning, because if he's not talking to the police, not only is ne— talking to the police, not only is ne nor— talking to the police, not only is he not sharing— talking to the police, not only is he not sharing what the porenwor— is he not sharing what the potential motive might have been , por— potential motive might have been , poo nee— potential motive might have been , but he's probably— potential motive might have been , but he's probably not giving onen — , but he's probably not giving onen occeee— , but he's probably not giving them access to _ , but he's probably not giving them access to his mobile phone . ano— them access to his mobile phone . any poeecooee— them access to his mobile phone . any passcodes to— them access to his mobile phone . any passcodes to laptop computer,— . any passcodes to laptop conpnrer, n— . any passcodes to laptop computer, if he- . any passcodes to laptop computer, if he has one on. and wor— computer, if he has one on. and not nokee— computer, if he has one on. and not nokee w— computer, if he has one on. and that makes it much— computer, if he has one on. and that makes it much more ornrcww. — that makes it much more difficult. that's why, of course , we saw yesterday a series of rowe— , we saw yesterday a series of rows wor— , we saw yesterday a series of raids that took— , we saw yesterday a series of raids that took place with armed powce— raids that took place with armed porrce gorng— raids that took place with armed porrce gorng ro— raids that took place with armed police going to addresses connected— police going to addresses connected to— police going to addresses connected to this man, his home oooreee— connected to this man, his home oooreee oe— connected to this man, his home address as the _ connected to this man, his home address as the addresses of one— address as the addresses of one peopre— address as the addresses of other people that this individual—

other people that this individual is either related to or re— individual is either related to or is friends— individual is either related to or is friends with— individual is either related to or is friends with as they try to prece— or is friends with as they try to piece together exactly who he wno— to piece together exactly who he wno ne — to piece together exactly who he wno ne re— to piece together exactly who he wno ne is one — to piece together exactly who he who he is and what his motivation— who he is and what his motivation might have been. we know— motivation might have been. we know from — motivation might have been. we know from one— motivation might have been. we know from the sources that we've been — know from the sources that we've been epeowng— know from the sources that we've been epeowng ro— know from the sources that we've been speaking to that he is a wee— been speaking to that he is a west african— been speaking to that he is a west african migrant, that he ro— west african migrant, that he to one— west african migrant, that he came to the uk— west african migrant, that he came to the uk more than a oecooe— came to the uk more than a oecooe ogo— came to the uk more than a oecooe ogo .— came to the uk more than a decade ago , believed to be decade ago, believed to be wrong— decade ago, believed to be wwng nee.— decade ago, believed to be living here. he— decade ago, believed to be living here. he has a history, we core,— living here. he has a history, we are told, of— living here. he has a history, we are told, of violent episodes one— we are told, of violent episodes ono epreooee— we are told, of violent episodes and episodes of— we are told, of violent episodes and episodes of mental illness as and episodes of mental illness oe wen— and episodes of mental illness oe weu .— and episodes of mental illness oe weu . w— and episodes of mental illness as well . it does.— and episodes of mental illness as well . it does. we don't as well. it does. we don't renewe— as well. it does. we don't believe that— as well. it does. we don't believe that he- as well. it does. we don't believe that he has a criminal record— believe that he has a criminal ecoro .— believe that he has a criminal record , which— believe that he has a criminal record , which would suggest that record, which would suggest that n— record, which would suggest that n were— record, which would suggest that even if there were _ record, which would suggest that even if there were periodic epreooee— even if there were periodic eprcooee or— even if there were periodic episodes of violence, it's ercner— episodes of violence, it's either never— episodes of violence, it's either never resulted in a prosecution— either never resulted in a prosecution or— either never resulted in a prosecution or at least a successful— prosecution or at least a successful prosecution . but successful prosecution. but ecru,— successful prosecution. but ecru, onere — successful prosecution. but still, there are— successful prosecution. but still, there are questions , still, there are questions, goeewone— still, there are questions, questions about given the pockgrowno— questions about given the background to— questions about given the background to this individual one— background to this individual on wnor— background to this individual and what we've— background to this individual and what we've learned about issues , issues around his mental

issues, issues around his mental neonn— issues, issues around his mental neown one— issues, issues around his mental neown one o— issues, issues around his mental health and a propensity perhaps coworoe— health and a propensity perhaps towards violence— health and a propensity perhaps towards violence was this individual— towards violence was this individual flagged up to the authorities— individual flagged up to the authorities as— individual flagged up to the authorities as at any stage was were— authorities as at any stage was onere ore— authorities as at any stage was there more that— authorities as at any stage was there more that the authorities cowo— there more that the authorities cowo nove— there more that the authorities could have done— there more that the authorities could have done to get a handle on one— could have done to get a handle on this before— could have done to get a handle on this before yesterday's evenne— on this before yesterday's events? yeah,— on this before yesterday's events? yeah, and final question for oop— events? yeah, and final question forvour work. — events? yeah, and final question for you, mark. obviously, i've been doing a lot of reading into this topic today and i've seen a couple of reports now that this person, the suspect, is being rumoured that he'd converted to islam fairly recently . do we islam fairly recently. do we know any more about that? is that just a rumour at this stage or . well i've that just a rumour at this stage or. well i've seen these reports like you, but that's one thing i've not been able to stand up. i'm afraid it may well be true, por— i'm afraid it may well be true, poo we— i'm afraid it may well be true, poo we no— i'm afraid it may well be true, but it's not anything that i've been— but it's not anything that i've been owe— but it's not anything that i've been able to— but it's not anything that i've been able to find— but it's not anything that i've been able to find out about. rnere-e— been able to find out about. rnere-e no— been able to find out about. there's no one— been able to find out about. there's no one been able to give me wor— there's no one been able to give me not wno— there's no one been able to give me that kind of— there's no one been able to give me that kind of information. but econo— me that kind of information. but creorro, n— me that kind of information. but clearly, if that— me that kind of information. but clearly, if that is— me that kind of information. but clearly, if that is the case, we— clearly, if that is the case, it's another— clearly, if that is the case, it's another factor that the pouce— it's another factor that the porrce wru— it's another factor that the police will be— it's another factor that the police will be looking into and poeerpro—

police will be looking into and poecrpro wno— police will be looking into and poecrpro wno we— police will be looking into and possibly why we still have counter—terrorism detectives working— counter—terrorism detectives working in— counter—terrorism detectives working in tandem alongside nottinghamshire police not coking— nottinghamshire police not rowng one— nottinghamshire police not taking the lead on this investigation. they haven't conno— investigation. they haven't found anything as yet, as far as we know— found anything as yet, as far as we know knoc— found anything as yet, as far as we know that points towards a erroneo— we know that points towards a terrorist motive _ we know that points towards a terrorist motive .— we know that points towards a terrorist motive . but they say terrorist motive. but they say were-e— terrorist motive. but they say there's keeping— terrorist motive. but they say there's keeping an open mind and that there's keeping an open mind and know oneo-kk— there's keeping an open mind and that they'll continue to work wkn — that they'll continue to work with nottinghamshire police and that with nottinghamshire police and know were— with nottinghamshire police and that there wasn't— with nottinghamshire police and that there wasn't a terrorist nonve— that there wasn't a terrorist nowwe or— that there wasn't a terrorist motive or until— that there wasn't a terrorist motive or until they are sure know— motive or until they are sure know were— motive or until they are sure that there was— motive or until they are sure that there was and then they wru— that there was and then they wrkk coke— that there was and then they will take over— that there was and then they will take over the lead of this investigation— will take over the lead of this investigation . _ will take over the lead of this investigation . oca3yr r3~3rt q investigation. okay. fascinating stuff there. mark white, thank you for your update . you know, you for your update. you know, we covered this topic yesterday and i mean, all of us, so many people, you got in touch with me. it was just so just so much shock. and today there has been that vigil which took place , that vigil which took place, david. i mean, this is just such a like i was saying to mark, then my goosebumps, they come up on my arms thinking about this, talking about this . you saw the

talking about this. you saw the parents of some of these victims to take the stage today to talk about their children that have been taken in this way. the whole thing, i think actually i might have kyiv a clip of that vigil . shall i just play that vigil. shall i just play that for a second, if i . can no. yeah for a second, if i. can no. yeah see, i mean , this is i mean, you see, i mean, this is i mean, you can see here the vigil , you can see here the vigil, you know, and so many people have turned out and candles being lit there . et cetera. people paying there. et cetera. people paying their respects . you know, of their respects. you know, of course, i'll just mention then the parents as well, getting up to talk. i think we can play some of that at some point. but david starkey, i wish you wouldn't , but i must say i find wouldn't, but i must say i find that almost dare i use the word a ography of grief to will the sheer. let me just try to ekpkorn— sheer. let me just try to ekpkorn one — let me just try to explain the sheer pitiful

rawness of _ explain the sheer pitiful rawness of their emotions. those worde— rawness of their emotions. those words wrong— rawness of their emotions. those words wrong ow— rawness of their emotions. those words wrung out of— rawness of their emotions. those words wrung out of them amidst reore— words wrung out of them amidst reore. w— words wrung out of them amidst tears. it brought— words wrung out of them amidst tears. it brought back an epenence— tears. it brought back an experience of— tears. it brought back an experience of mine when i was prowgnr— experience of mine when i was prongnr op— experience of mine when i was prongnr op o— experience of mine when i was brought up a quaker and in meetings— brought up a quaker and in neerrnge or— brought up a quaker and in meetings of the society of rnenoe— meetings of the society of rnenoe g— meetings of the society of friends at our— meetings of the society of friends at our funerals, you're ocwokko— friends at our funerals, you're actually kwasi_ friends at our funerals, you're actually kwasi effectively expected— actually kwasi effectively expecreo co — actually kwasi effectively expected to bury your own father or oowr— expected to bury your own father or oonr nocner— expected to bury your own father or oonr norner .— expected to bury your own father or your mother , right? or your mother, right? i cookon-r— or your mother, right? i couldn't that- or your mother, right? i couldn't that they are doing it pecowee— couldn't that they are doing it because as they— couldn't that they are doing it because as they want to. but i'm puer— because as they want to. but i'm poor coorng— because as they want to. but i'm poor coorng knoc— because as they want to. but i'm just saying that terrible, awful rawness. anyway,— just saying that terrible, awful rawness. anyway, let's just put knoc— rawness. anyway, let's just put knot oeroe. — rawness. anyway, let's just put knot oeroe. r— rawness. anyway, let's just put that aside. i want— rawness. anyway, let's just put that aside. : that aside. i want to respond to you, actually, because i strongly disagree with you. i think when somebody has been taken in such a horrific , quick taken in such a horrific, quick way, the point of these things, i mean, you listen to some of the siblings, some of the feelings that they're experiencing. you hear the parents sharing their experiences. they love what this to me, when i see these kind of vigils, i feel it's a celebration. it's a mark of these people. it's a i mean,

again, my arms are up. it's a coming together. it's an outrage. i think it's just we're just it's very simple, michelle. we're different generations . to we're different generations. to eo-w onko- we're different generations. to me,-was only 21.- we're different generations. to me, was only 21. this to me, this is was only 21. this to me— me, this is was only 21. this to me , w— me, this is was only 21. this to me , w reeke— me, this is was only 21. this to me , it feels like— me, this is was only 21. this to me , it feels like an intrusion me, it feels like an intrusion rnwo— me, it feels like an intrusion into knoc— me, it feels like an intrusion into that which— me, it feels like an intrusion into that which is most private, noct— into that which is most private, most terrible,— into that which is most private, most terrible, the— into that which is most private, most terrible, the rending of a cnrko— most terrible, the rending of a cnrko from — most terrible, the rending of a cnrko from o— most terrible, the rending of a child from a parent. but but rec-e— child from a parent. but but rec-e rec-e— child from a parent. but but let's let's view— child from a parent. but but let's let's view it— child from a parent. but but let's let's view it the other way— let's let's view it the other woo orowno — let's let's view it the other way around. and it was actually or— way around. and it was actually or one— way around. and it was actually one of the parents,— way around. and it was actually one of the parents, i think, who need— one of the parents, i think, who need one— one of the parents, i think, who used this word— one of the parents, i think, who used this word the— used this word the senselessness. and i think used this word the— senselessness. and i think what strikeo— senselessness. and i think what strikes me— senselessness. and i think what strikes me n— senselessness. and i think what strikes me in this— senselessness. and i think what strikes me in this are those two young— strikes me in this are those two oonng peopke— strikes me in this are those two young people ,_ strikes me in this are those two young people , brilliant young people, brilliant credence,— young people, brilliant students, brilliant sports men, the caretaker— students, brilliant sports men, the caretaker ,_ students, brilliant sports men, the caretaker , which are whom we the caretaker, which are whom we meson-c— the caretaker, which are whom we nwern-r forger— the caretaker, which are whom we nwern-r forget .— the caretaker, which are whom we mustn't forget , a— the caretaker, which are whom we mustn't forget , a man who was mustn't forget, a man who was led mustn't forget, a man who was keo o— mustn't forget, a man who was keo o decenc— mustn't forget, a man who was led a decent, worthy, responsible - led a decent, worthy, responsible life. and then in concroer— responsible life. and then in contrast with— responsible life. and then in contrast with that, we know what gorng — contrast with that, we know what gorng ro— contrast with that, we know what we're going to find— contrast with that, we know what we're going to find out. we're going— we're going to find out. we're gorng ro— we're going to find out. we're gorng ro wno— we're going to find out. we're going to find out.— we're going to find out. we're going to find out. a man with nornrng— going to find out. a man with nornrng wrong— going to find out. a man with nothing wrong who represented nornrng,— nothing wrong who represented nornrng, wno — nothing wrong who represented nothing, who was— nothing wrong who represented nothing, who was self destructive, - nothing, who was self destructive, who was bitter for wno— destructive, who was bitter for wno woe— destructive, who was bitter for

wno onko— destructive, who was bitter for who was only intent on damage. kno— who was only intent on damage. and we— who was only intent on damage. and we owe— who was only intent on damage. and it's this it's— who was only intent on damage. and it's this it's this awful conrroer— and it's this it's this awful contrast that,— and it's this it's this awful contrast that, you know, as you eon,— contrast that, you know, as you eoro, rne— contrast that, you know, as you said, this arbitrary— contrast that, you know, as you said, this arbitrary moment, oneee— said, this arbitrary moment, oneee knee— said, this arbitrary moment, these lives that— said, this arbitrary moment, these lives that mean something, rnwo— these lives that mean something, come into contact— these lives that mean something, come into contact not with what is come into contact not with what re rne— come into contact not with what re one kno— come into contact not with what re one kind or— come into contact not with what is the kind of it's— come into contact not with what is the kind of it's a— come into contact not with what is the kind of it's a kind of knock— is the kind of it's a kind of pkock noke— is the kind of it's a kind of black hole of— is the kind of it's a kind of black hole of humanity. g black hole of humanity. it is. kno— black hole of humanity. it is. and one— black hole of humanity. it is. and we re— black hole of humanity. it is. and this is when— black hole of humanity. it is. and this is when i— black hole of humanity. it is. and this is when i mean, these things happen and the criminal justice system, obviously , that justice system, obviously, that process needs to kick in. and the outcome needs to happen and all the rest of it. but to me, i kind of i sit there and almost it makes me feel sick. the person that's done this , you person that's done this, you just make me feel sick and to mention this person in the same breath as mentioning these two teenagers full of life . and then teenagers full of life. and then you mentioned quite right, ian curtis, the guy ehcr is a grafter , a decent man by all grafter, a decent man by all accounts , all of the kind of accounts, all of the kind of tributes you've heard paid to him today. decent guy . but tributes you've heard paid to him today. decent guy. but you see, we've had a living . i want see, we've had a living. i want to just play. i know you'll say it's. no, i us. but michelle, pkeoee— it's. no, i us. but michelle, pkeoee. r— it's. no, i us. but michelle, pkeoee. r e— it's. no, i us. but michelle,

please. i use the— g \rr:::r but michelle, please. i use the word with profound— please. i use the word with profound hesitation and reluctance. _ profound hesitation and reluctance. try to understand rne— reluctance. try to understand the different— reluctance. try to understand the different position of a conferenc— the different position of a different generation . /r:::r. cc different generation. you will. woo-u— different generation. you will. woo-u ne— different generation. you will. you'll be surprised. actually, david, because i suspect that a lot of my viewers get in touch. let me know your thoughts. a lot of my viewers will completely agree with you. some of i'm agree with you. some of you, i'm sure will agree with me. do sure will agree with me. i do just want to a listen. just want to have a listen. given we've spoken about given that we've spoken about that, case you haven't that, in case you haven't followed it, you won't know what on we're talking so on earth we're talking about. so here a listen. here we go. have a listen. i know it would be super touched by everyone that's here. and he loved it. he loved— by everyone that's here. and he loved it. he loved it— by everyone that's here. and he loved it. he loved it here.- and he loved it. he loved it here. he cookon-r— loved it. he loved it here. he couldn't wait— loved it. he loved it here. he couldn't wait to— loved it. he loved it here. he couldn't wait to come back . couldn't wait to come back. prowe— couldn't wait to come back. prove me— couldn't wait to come back. drove me mad.— couldn't wait to come back. drove me mad. but. his heart wru— drove me mad. but. his heart wrkk pe— drove me mad. but. his heart wrkk be won— drove me mad. but. his heart will be with you— drove me mad. but. his heart will be with you guys forever . will be with you guys forever. we will be with you guys forever. we kook— will be with you guys forever. we look after— will be with you guys forever. we look after each other . it's we look after each other. it's one— we look after each other. it's rne pkg— we look after each other. it's one big rnrng— we look after each other. it's the big thing is— we look after each other. it's the big thing is that. we look after each other. it's the big thing is that . look, the big thing is that. look, oner— the big thing is that. look, otter oowr— the big thing is that. look, after your friends and look oner— after your friends and look orrer peopke— after your friends and look after people around you . e after people around you. it's inoc— after people around you. it's just heartbreaking, isn't it? so that's the two fathers there.

dumas of grace and barnaby speaking out there at that packed vigil. i don't have an empty chair anymore. i do have it filled. sorry. aaron bastani is all right. you know, this is just such a horrific. i watched that and it is your goosebumps are up up. what do you make to it all? well, i have to disagree a bit with what david said. i think this has real significance for peopke— think this has real significance for peopke wno— think this has real significance for people who never met these peopke— for people who never met these people, particularly because we nove— people, particularly because we nowe ro— people, particularly because we nowe co pe— people, particularly because we have to be honest— people, particularly because we have to be honest to are very oowng— have to be honest to are very oonng. rneo-re— have to be honest to are very oonng. rneo-re rn— have to be honest to are very young. they're in flower of young. they're in the flower of rnerr— young. they're in the flower of weir-kno— young. they're in the flower of their-and that- young. they're in the flower of their and that just their youth. and that just repreeenre— their youth. and that just represents and reflects eonernrng— represents and reflects something important represents and reflects something-important our something very important in our cwkwre— something very important in our cwkwrelkeon— something very important in our culture yeah, think as culture. yeah, and i think as wet— culture. yeah, and i think as wet, noer— culture. yeah, and i think as well, most parents can eonpornree— well, most parents can sympathise with two parents w-wnoe — sympathise with two parents who've raised— sympathise with two parents who've raised their kids, done ewerornrng— who've raised their kids, done ewerornrng rneo— who've raised their kids, done everything they could, and just as everything they could, and just oe rneo— everything they could, and just oe rneo were— everything they could, and just as they were on— everything they could, and just as they were on the cusp of oowkrnooo,— as they were on the cusp of adulthood, autonomy and responsibility,— adulthood, autonomy and responsibility, a life of their own:— responsibility, a life of their rneo-re — responsibility, a life of their own, they're taken away from rnern — own, they're taken away from rnern wnrcn — own, they're taken away from them, which is— own, they're taken away from them, which is incredibly cruel to them, which is incredibly cruel ro rne— them, which is incredibly cruel to the parents— them, which is incredibly cruel to the parents of— them, which is incredibly cruel to the parents of course, as wekk. — to the parents of course, as wekk. so — to the parents of course, as wekk. so .— to the parents of course, as well. so i can— to the parents of course, as well. so i can understand this reeponee ong— well. so i can understand this response and, you— well. so i can understand this response and, you know, i, i oreeg— response and, you know, i, i oreeg we— response and, you know, i, i agree. it's probably partly generowon— agree. it's probably partly generation personal, but i think noec— generation personal, but i think most cultures— generation personal, but i think

most cultures and— generation personal, but i think most cultures and most times and procee— most cultures and most times and pkocee rnowrn— most cultures and most times and places mourn the— most cultures and most times and places mourn the loss of the young— places mourn the loss of the oonng rn— places mourn the loss of the oonng in gene— places mourn the loss of the young in quite particular ways . young in quite particular ways. kno— young in quite particular ways. and .— young in quite particular ways. and r rnrnk— young in quite particular ways. and i think that's— young in quite particular ways. and i think that's what we're eeerng— and i think that's what we're eeerng now— and i think that's what we're seeing now. yeah. and i've got to eoo— seeing now. yeah. and i've got to eoo, rn— seeing now. yeah. and i've got to say, i'm looking— seeing now. yeah. and i've got to say, i'm looking i can see oowr— to say, i'm looking i can see oonr enorke— to say, i'm looking i can see your emails live— to say, i'm looking i can see your emails live as they come in. — your emails live as they come in. rneo-re— your emails live as they come in. they're flying _ your emails live as they come in. they're flying in- your emails live as they come in. 3r: 3 r33r: your emails live as they come in. ”rt; 3r: 3 r33r: e3rt;”rt; in. they're flying in and there is a huge amount of people that share your sentiment agree share your sentiment and agree with are also, with it. but there are also, as i predicted , some the other way i predicted, some the other way around . and i do think it is around. and i do think it is important as well because we are so much focus . i've seen it on so much focus. i've seen it on the media of those two very, very young, 19. i mean, i can't eveni very young, 19. i mean, i can't even i cannot even imagine an i can't. and i hear i even i cannot even imagine an i can't. and i heari mean, i lost can't. and i hear i mean, i lost my sister actually when she was 19, in a horrible circumstances . and when i hear those siblings to your point, you know, i've read the tributes from the siblings of these two young people. it connects with me as well. and i think, you know, we all grieve, don't we, at various points in life. and i think seeing that, it kind of i don't know. it brings us all together, perhaps in some but of perhaps in some way, but of course not forgetting that fair

victim as well . ian, as victim as well. ian, as i mentioned, going over , just mentioned, going over, just minding his own business there but grace of god but for the grace of god go, many of us. me know your many of us. let me know your thoughts on some i'm thoughts on some of that. i'm going to a quick break. going to take a quick break. i've got so much get through i've got so much to get through tonight show. come tonight on the show. when i come back, to ask you about back, i want to ask you about the doctors strike. 35. should we just pay them what they want? also, as well, the rnli, they have released their figures when it comes to channel crossings. do you think it's a great service? do you worry perhaps that they might be enabling people to make that voyage in the first place by that the first place by knowing that they're rescued? they're going to get rescued? tell me

q3 you're listening 3 q3 you're listening to about right. you're listening to gb about right. you're listening to on wewe— about right. you're listening to gb news radio— about right. you're listening to gb news radio .— about right. you're listening to gb news radio . _ about right. you're listening to gb news radio . hello- 3 q3 you're listening to gb news radio . e3rt;3rt; gb news radio. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight alongside with a historian and gb news contributor david starkey and the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani has arrived. everyone is train arrived. everyone is train arrived. i said to him, i bet you want to nationalise these things, don't you? he said, yes.

he reckons they'd be he does. he reckons they'd be even . he reckons be even better. he reckons would be better there was run by the better if there was run by the government. can imagine this government. can you imagine this government. can you imagine this government run. well, government. can you imagine this govergovernments, run. well, government. can you imagine this govergovernments, this'un. well, government. can you imagine this govergovernments, this country, , most governments, this country, quite seem to be quite frankly, don't seem to be able to run a bath, never mind effective train services. but anyway, that a debate for anyway, that is a debate for another i'll tell another day because i'll tell you i to into you what i want to get into tonight. if you're in england, you be aware yet for you will be aware yet again for the time, junior doctors the third time, junior doctors have on strike. 72 hours have gone on strike. 72 hours started this morning and things have not changed. their demands are crystal clear, 35, are simple. crystal clear, 35, thatis are simple. crystal clear, 35, that is what they're asking . that is what they're asking. let's have, shall we, a little listen. the value of their pay noe— listen. the value of their pay noe gone— listen. the value of their pay has gone down.— t trrti3 the value of their pay has gone down. we've got t trrt;3 the value of their pay has gone down. we've got junior doctore— has gone down. we've got junior oocrore now— has gone down. we've got junior doctors now qualifying and being poro— doctors now qualifying and being poro iner— doctors now qualifying and being poro peer ew— doctors now qualifying and being poro peer pro on— doctors now qualifying and being paid just £14 an hour. and yet rneo— paid just £14 an hour. and yet rneo nove— paid just £14 an hour. and yet rneo nowe op— paid just £14 an hour. and yet rneo nowe up to— paid just £14 an hour. and yet they have up to £100,000 worth of they have up to £100,000 worth or debt. — they have up to £100,000 worth or debt. kno— they have up to £100,000 worth of debt. and we're— they have up to £100,000 worth of debt. and we're asking the government— of debt. and we're asking the government to— of debt. and we're asking the government to recognise that drop— government to recognise that drop rn— government to recognise that drop in wowe— government to recognise that drop in value and therefore to reeorer— drop in value and therefore to reerore rne— drop in value and therefore to restore the value— drop in value and therefore to restore the value of their pay. kno— restore the value of their pay. one k— restore the value of their pay. and it doesn't— restore the value of their pay. and it doesn't seem unreasonable weir— and it doesn't seem unreasonable wekk oc— and it doesn't seem unreasonable wekk g ou— and it doesn't seem unreasonable wekk g or to— and it doesn't seem unreasonable well at all to ask— and it doesn't seem unreasonable well at all to ask for £19 an nonr— well at all to ask for £19 an hour instead— well at all to ask for £19 an hour instead of— well at all to ask for £19 an

hour instead of £14 an hour for the hour instead of £14 an hour for we experwee— hour instead of £14 an hour for the expertise that— hour instead of £14 an hour for the expertise that they bring . the expertise that they bring. more— the expertise that they bring. rnere ocu— the expertise that they bring. rnere ooo go. — the expertise that they bring. rnere ooo go. so— the expertise that they bring. there you go. so that- the expertise that they bring. there you go. so that was one of the chiefs there of the bma, the doctors union. so much, so much i can say i'm massively respect the work. nhs doctors do. i think that is not up for debate. i think pretty much everyone would say that they respect that they value these people. but what is the value then that they should receive this 35? it all basically goes down to the fact, as was alluding to there, it's all about restoration, bringing you up to a 2008, you know what you've lost by that date. i find what he says a little bit disingenuous, i must confess the go on about the £14 an hour, you'll remember that pret purse to it was in all the papers saying why is a junior doctor and in about the same or less i think it was then someone a barista making coffee and all the rest of it. and it's not genuine that well you can if you strip it all back. but that £14

an hour basically it strips right back. it's the lowest entry level point. it removes all of the kind of overtime the night—time allowances, the any of these kind of fees that everyone would normally get. so i comparison a bit i find that comparison a bit disingenuous. and you disingenuous. and i think you don't start from that don't need to start from that point. me you point. you lose me when you start from point. what start from that point. what about 35, yes or no ? about you? 35, yes or no? quickly on the point.- quickly on the point. yeah i cnrnk— quickly on the point. yeah i rnrnk oore— quickly on the point. yeah i think you're right and i don't rnrnk— think you're right and i don't cnrnk rte— think you're right and i don't think it's worthwhile. the onero— think it's worthwhile. the oowerr. no— think it's worthwhile. the advert, by the— think it's worthwhile. the advert, by the way, - think it's worthwhile. the advert, by the way, i'll play it while i'm talking. i don't think it's while i'm talking. i don't think we won— while i'm talking. i don't think it's worth pitching— 3q i don't think it's worth pitching different proreeerone— it's worth pitching different- professions—another professions against one another like professions against one another krke-nowe— professions against one another krke-nowe ro— professions against one another like-have to say- professions against one another like have to say also like that. i have to say also ceenee— like that. i have to say also cheese—about. like that. i have to say alsoi cheese—about £8. like that. i have to say also cheese—about £8. i cheese baguettes, about £8. so i eon-r— cheese baguettes, about £8. so i oon-r-wnere— cheese baguettes, about £8. so i don't where money's don't know where the money's going— don't know where the money's gorng n— don't know where the money's going to rte— don't know where the money's going n we not— don't know where the money's going if it's not going to their workers-this— going if it's not going to their workers. this point around workers. on this point around wws—k- workers. on this point around wws—k oe- nhs doctors, i see it as a recnnrcok— nhs doctors, i see it as a technical issue.- nhs doctors, i see it as a technical issue. now. know technical issue. now. i know knot-e— technical issue. now. i know knot-e gone— technical issue. now. i know that's quite difficult to do, poc— that's quite difficult to do, pot-one- that's quite difficult to do,- but-and-what's but let's try and do it. what's a but let's try and do it. what's o recnnrcok— but let's try and do it. what's a technical issue? 3 q3 a technical issue? so right now between 3 and 4 in ten, junior doctors are looking to leave the country because they can get more money, which just more money, which is just an objective . they or are objective fact. are they or are they? do you know that? are they? how do you know that? are they? how do you know that? are they just there going, they just sitting there going, if pay more, i'm if you don't pay me more, i'm going how do you know? going to leave? how do you know? they're definitely they are.

no, going. i mean, for no, they are going. i mean, for neoncer— no, they are going. i mean, for instance,_nurses| instance, we're 46,000 nurses enon— instance, we're 46,000 nurses enon-cownwo- instance, we're 46,000 nurses short country because short in this country because rneo—noel short in this country because- rneo—nore noneo they objectively earn more money in one— they objectively earn more money in we unreg— they objectively earn more money in the united states, australia one— in the united states, australia and—orl in the united states, australia. one—or not and the uk. and whether or not you— and the uk. and whether or not ooe-rneo— and the uk. and whether or not you-they should- and the uk. and whether or not you they should be paid you think they should be paid more, we have— you think they should be paid more, we have a— you think they should be paid more, we have a health service in more, we have a health service rn-cownwo.— more, we have a health service rn-cownwolneeo- in this country. we need doctore— in this country. we needi doctors, - nurses. in this country. we need doctors, - nurses. have doctors, we need nurses. we have noeewe—erornngl massive shortages in staffing. it's massive shortages in staffing. rte—knoc— massive shortages in staffing. rte—knot we- massive shortages in staffing. it's—that we are. it's the extent that we are rnponrng— it's the extent that we are importing masse health care importing en masse health care orkere— importing en masse health care orkere tron — importing en masse health care workers from countries the workers from countries which the worm — world health organisation has eon,— world health organisation has eoro, pkeoee— world health organisation has said, please stop— world health organisation has said, please stop taking workers from— said, please stop taking workers tron-rke— said, please stop taking workers from-like nigeria- said, please stop taking workers from like nigeria . from places like nigeria. so who— from places like nigeria. so who ore— from places like nigeria. so what are these— from places like nigeria. so what are these red- from places like nigeria. so what are these red lists? so if a country really is in dire straits, there are like red lists and you can't really start recruiting. but we do. but we do and we do. and i think this is a cow— and we do. and i think this is a reokko-erkenr— and we do. and i think this is a really-silent de—man. really turn on silent de—man powe— really turn on silent de—man david starkey. _ really turn on silent de—man david starkey. i113 : really turn on silent de—man david starkey. rt;3 : t 3 david starkey. everybody can you hear and david starkey. everybody can you hear- and ithought - david starkey. everybody can you hear- andlthought it- david starkey. everybody can you hear- and ithought it was. hear that? and i thought it was i hear that? and i thought it was r knowgnr— hear that? and i thought it was r knowgnr k— hear that? and i thought it was i thought it-the_ hear that? and i thought it was i thought it-the youth- 7 and i thought it was i thought it the youth of i thought it was the youth of coooo— i thought it was the youth of coooo knoc— i thought it was the youth of today that were,— i thought it was the youth of today that were, you know, so, so today that were, you know, so, eo rwoe. — today that were, you know, so, eo rode. on.— today that were, you know, so, so rude. oh, is— today that were, you know, so, so rude. oh, is that- today that were, you know, so, so rude. o3 today that were, you know, so, so rude. oh, is that you on telly, david? pack it in guam and i view it as a technical and so i view it as a technical issue. michelle and i think fundamentally— michelle and i think fundamentally this is to fundamentally this is going to coer— fundamentally this is going to coo-kno— fundamentally this is going to coer-kno n- fundamentally this is going to cost-and if it- fundamentally this is going to cost and if it means cost £1 billion. and if it means we ecop— cost £1 billion. and if it means we stop haemorrhaging, junior doctore— we stop haemorrhaging, junior doctors elsewhere, think doctors elsewhere, i think knot-e— doctors elsewhere, i think that's—nil doctors elsewhere, i think- that's—i'll finish that's valuable. and i'll finish wno.— that's valuable. and i'll finish won one. — that's valuable. and i'll finish with this. they— that's valuable. and i'll finish with this. they earn lot with this. they will earn a lot more -consultants,l with this. they will earn a lot more consultants, as more money as consultants, as

eenror-rnor-e- senior doctors. that's absolutely- senior doctors. that's - absolutely-when senior doctors. that's— absolutely-when you're absolutely true. but when you're groonorrng— absolutely true. but when you're groononng wno.— absolutely true. but when you're graduating with £100,000 and were— graduating with £100,000 and were-knee.- graduating with £100,000 and there-three, four- there is a two, three, four year window— there is a two, three, four year window-career, we- window in your career, we need to window in your career, we need ro-rnor— window in your career, we need to-that distance- window in your career, we need to that distance ventive to remove that distance ventive for men— to remove that distance ventive for onen ro— to remove that distance ventive for them to stay— to remove that distance ventive for them to stay or— to remove that distance ventive for them to stay or the incentive— for them to stay or the incentive for- for them to stay or the incentive for them to leave. so por— incentive for them to leave. so our cne— incentive for them to leave. so our one coo.— incentive for them to leave. so but this cost, by— incentive for them to leave. so but this cost, by the way, this kimon— but this cost, by the way, this billion pounds— but this cost, by the way, this billion pounds is— but this cost, by the way, this billion pounds is what the bma eooe. — billion pounds is what the bma eooe. so— billion pounds is what the bma eooe. so-gorng— billion pounds is what the bma says- so-going to- billion pounds is what the bma says. qrtr 3q says. so it's going to cost actually 2 billion a year. actually about 2 billion a year. what bma they put it what the bma said, they put it as a billion because they're saying that's net cost. once saying that's the net cost. once you've out, they you've stripped out, will they be more in national be paying a bit more in national insurance they'll be insurance back? they'll be paying insurance back? they'll be paying more income tax paying a bit more in income tax back. the billion back. so that's the 1 billion where comes that's where it comes from. that's annual where it comes from. that's annual. cani where it comes from. that's annual. can i just say as well, rte— annual. can i just say as well, we okeo— annual. can i just say as well, it's also negotiation.- 3 can i just say as well, it's also negotiation. so let's say— it's also negotiation. so let's eoo rneo— it's also negotiation. so let's eoo rneo ogree— it's also negotiation. so let's say they agree on 25. just this is say they agree on 25. just this to ok— say they agree on 25. just this is all getting very interesting say they agree on 25. just this is alvery ting very interesting say they agree on 25. just this is alvery technical, nteresting say they agree on 25. just this is alvery technical, isn't sting say they agree on 25. just this is alvery technical, isn't it?|g and very technical, isn't it? but actually looking but let's actually start looking at the question. what has at the big question. what has gone wrong with the general management of manpower in the nhs? because clearly two things have gone staggeringly wrong. the first is there have been gross miscarriage relations. the fundamental reason for that, of course, dear ones say it, it is the percentage of doctors who are being trained, who are female and therefore taking the

decision. they will go part time. what we've actually seen without again , it's you know, without again, it's you know, it's a good thing, but it has consequences . people have not consequences. people have not fully reckoned with what we've effectively done because , again, effectively done because, again, of the talent of young women in beating young men to medical college places, as simple as that, we have effectively doubled the cost of medical training without actually thinking of what percentage of these doctors that are leaving or whatever is junior doctors a female? no, no, no, no, no, no, noc— female? no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. but the— female? no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. but the reason- female? no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. but the reason that that overall, what this is a subset of the overall shortage of medical staff. and there are two reasons for this. one is the leaching out particularly to australia and to a much lesser extent to america. the other is the leaching out because of doctors at very early career stages in their 40s, going part time . and there are these two time. and there are these two sets of problems which we haven't really begun to think about. the second thing is of course that we train doctors who

go abroad for free. there is no recouping of these vast costs of medical training. again, it's one of the things we've never really thought about that we are indeed , you know, giving them indeed, you know, giving them a wonderful meal ticket for life and especially a good one if they get on a boat or a nice plane to australia and double their salaries. but i mean, in what you're really saying is that medical salaries in britain will be set by australia? is that what you're saying? no well, i think it is what you're saying . hold on. it is it is saying. hold on. it is it is what you're saying. you're ventriloquising_ what you're saying. you're ventriloquising what- 3q you're ventriloquising what i'm saying. so ventriloquising what i'm saying. so ooe-re— ventriloquising what i'm saying. so were on— ventriloquising what i'm saying. so you're on the— ventriloquising what i'm saying. so you're on the right people on the so you're on the right people on we ngnr— so you're on the right people on one ngnr eoo— so you're on the right people on the right say capital is liquid. we the right say capital is liquid. we nove— the right say capital is liquid. we nowe o— the right say capital is liquid. we have a global market for winge— we have a global market for rnrngelcon— we have a global market for things. can where it things. it can go where it woner— things. it can go where it wants. that's— things. it can go where it wants. that's precisely what we're _ health i wants. that's precisely whatl we're _ health care we're seeing with health care orkere kno— we're seeing with health care workers. and open a bunch workers. and i'm open to a bunch of workers. and i'm open to a bunch or—now- workers. and i'm open to a bunch or—now ro- workers. and i'm open to a bunch of_how to deal. of proposals about how to deal wno.— of proposals about how to deal wkn-no— of proposals about how to deal wrrn-no rne— of proposals about how to deal wrrn-no rne woo.- of proposals about how to deal with -by the way, i- of proposals about how to deal with by the way, i mean, with this. by the way, i mean, wrcnekke.— with this. by the way, i mean, michelle,-you've- with this. by the way, i mean, michelle, you've said michelle, i know you've said in the michelle, i know you've said in one-knoc— michelle, i know you've said in the-that-should. michelle, i know you've said in. the-that-should have the past that people should have to the past that people should have ro-ror— the past that people should have ro-ror o— the past that people should have to-for a certain— the past that people should have to for a certain period of to stay for a certain period of one. — to stay for a certain period of one. -cnoc-e— to stay for a certain period of time. -that's quite- to stay for a certain period of time. that's quite wise. time. yeah, that's quite wise. i time. yeah, that's quite wise. r-eoo. — time. yeah, that's quite wise. r-eoo. look.— time. yeah, that's quite wise. r-eoo. rock. n- time. yeah, that's quite wise. i-say. look, if you're. i would say. look, if you're going to get trained, i would wipe any student debt. but wipe out any student debt. but but to be tied into the

but you have to be tied into the nhs x amount of years. if nhs for x amount of years. if you leave, then it's going to cost you to leave because i would know, i'd would take i don't know, i'd make pay back x and y and make you pay back x and y and z and all the rest of it. i would potentially, you know, and i want to make it clear because i know a lot of get quite know a lot of you get quite cross when i have these conversations because you don't think value all the medical think i value all the medical stuff. do value nhs. stuff. i do. i do value the nhs. my stuff. i do. i do value the nhs. my sister and mum and nurses, for but also for example. but i'm also realistic when it comes to finances. and think one of the finances. and i think one of the things missed in this things that gets missed in this conversation we're conversation often is when we're talking about hourly and talking about hourly rates and stuff, every stuff, these people for every £10 that they earn, they get £2, a 20% contribution to their pension, vast , which pension, which are vast, which i mean, again, of the mean, i mean, again, one of the again, the one of the reasons, again, the one of the reasons, again that that medics drop out very early is they build up vast pension by they're in their pension pots by they're in their mid 50s . and because again if mid 505. and because again if the mid 505. and because again if we knock— mid 505. and because again if the idiotic rules— r: 505 and because again if the idiotic rules introduced porn— the idiotic rules introduced porn po— the idiotic rules introduced both by gordon— the idiotic rules introduced both by gordon brown and by his wicked— both by gordon brown and by his wrckeo twin— both by gordon brown and by his wicked twin on— both by gordon brown and by his wicked twin on the— both by gordon brown and by his wicked twin on the right, george oeporne— wicked twin on the right, george osborne pension— wicked twin on the right, george osborne pension pension pots are copped— osborne pension pension pots are copper or— osborne pension pension pots are coppeo o o— osborne pension pension pots are capped at a ridiculously small

oonr— capped at a ridiculously small oonr or— capped at a ridiculously small amount of money, so it's not won— amount of money, so it's not wonn oner— amount of money, so it's not worth their incur— amount of money, so it's not worth their incur effectively. enormous net— worth their incur effectively. enormous net marginal taxation and enormous net marginal taxation ono eo— enormous net marginal taxation on eo rneo— enormous net marginal taxation and so they retire— enormous net marginal taxation and so they retire early in one— and so they retire early in other words,— and so they retire early in other words, we've got a chaos of pokickee— other words, we've got a chaos of policies, none— other words, we've got a chaos of policies, none of— other words, we've got a chaos of policies, none of which have ever been reconciled with each oker.— ever been reconciled with each orner. wone— ever been reconciled with each other. none of— ever been reconciled with each other. none of which have ever been— other. none of which have ever been knowgnr— other. none of which have ever been thought out,— other. none of which have ever been thought out, which is, i'm ofrokt— been thought out, which is, i'm orrorolpkorn— been thought out, which is, i'm afraid,-plain truth- been thought out, which is, i'm afraid, plain truth about afraid, the plain truth about the afraid, the plain truth about we wnoke— afraid, the plain truth about the whole nhs— afraid, the plain truth about the whole nhs . it does not work. the whole nhs. it does not work. rne— the whole nhs. it does not work. rne vero— the whole nhs. it does not work. rne wero poere— the whole nhs. it does not work. the very basis of— the whole nhs. it does not work. the very basis of the nhs is wrong— the very basis of the nhs is wrong one— the very basis of the nhs is wrong and the.— the very basis of the nhs is wrong and the. what do you mean it's wrong and the. what do you mean we wronge— wrong and the. what do you mean we wronge po— wrong and the. what do you mean we wronge po oop— wrong and the. what do you mean it's wrong? do you think they enowkon-r— it's wrong? do you think they shouldn't be— it's wrong? do you think they shouldn't be like a universal neonn— shouldn't be like a universal health care? _ shouldn't be like a universal health care? no.- shouldn't be like a universal health care? \rtr i think that health care? no. i think that wnor— health care? no. i think that wnor we— health care? no. i think that what we need— health care? no. i think that what we need to— health care? \rrtr i think that what we need to we should have nooeke— what we need to we should have nooeke rke— what we need to we should have models like continental europe , models like continental europe, wnor— models like continental europe, wnor rne— models like continental europe, wnor rne wws— models like continental europe, what the nhs amounts to and why it worke— what the nhs amounts to and why it worke eo— what the nhs amounts to and why it works so profoundly badly as onopooo— it works so profoundly badly as onopooo-ewer— it works so profoundly badly as anybody ever tried to see. anybody who's ever tried to see. a or— anybody who's ever tried to see. a or wru— anybody who's ever tried to see. a gp will tell— anybody who's ever tried to see. a gp will tell you,— anybody who's ever tried to see. a gp will tell you, the nhs is not— a gp will tell you, the nhs is not o— a gp will tell you, the nhs is not o neonn— a gp will tell you, the nhs is not a health service. it is a vero— not a health service. it is a wero korge— not a health service. it is a very large bureaucracy designed to ecop— very large bureaucracy designed to erop oop— very large bureaucracy designed to stop you seeing— very large bureaucracy designed to stop you seeing a doctor. knoc— to stop you seeing a doctor. that re— to stop you seeing a doctor. that re ke— to stop you seeing a doctor. that is its essential purpose in prwore— that is its essential purpose in private medicine— that is its essential purpose in private medicine ,_ that is its essential purpose in private medicine , you see a private medicine, you see a doctor— private medicine, you see a doctor straight— private medicine, you see a doctor straight away in the neon— doctor straight away in the health service.— doctor straight away in the health service. you never do . health service. you never do. vero— health service. you never do. wero gorck— health service. you never do. very quick response- health service. you never do. very quick response whether or not we have a private or public health care system in this

country. if britain doesn't train enough doctors and nurses, it and where it won't work. and that's where we are. you lead me to a really interesting point. i discovered today. interesting point. i discovered roooo. roeroone.— interesting point. i discovered today. everyone, get- 3q i discovered today. everyone, get this in zoos.— today. everyone, get this in. sees—g... 2008, the bma, i've just been mentioning— 2008, the bma, i've just been| mentioning—this mentioning that union get this at oner— mentioning that union get this at their annual— mentioning that union get this at their annual conference, they voted— at their annual conference, they voted . restrict— at their annual conference, they voted . restrict the _ at their annual conference, they voted restrict the number of voted to restrict the number of procee— voted to restrict the number of pkocee or— voted to restrict the number of places at medical— voted to restrict the number of places at medical schools to wow— places at medical schools to oworo on— places at medical schools to avoid an overproduction of doctore— avoid an overproduction of doctors with— avoid an overproduction of doctors with limited career oppononrnee. — doctors with limited career opportunities. they also agreed on o conpkere— opportunities. they also agreed on a complete ban on opening new neorcok— on a complete ban on opening new medical schools.— on a complete ban on opening new medical schools. so— on a complete ban on opening new medical schools. so when we econ— medical schools. so when we eron cokkrng— medical schools. so when we start talking about the number of start talking about the number or doctore— start talking about the number of doctors restrictive procteee— of doctors restrictive practises, my dear, i would if i rn— practises, my dear, i would if i in one— practises, my dear, i would if i was in the cartel,— practises, my dear, i would if i was in the cartel, i— practises, my dear, i would if i was in the cartel, i would start kookrng— was in the cartel, i would start looking inwards— was in the cartel, i would start looking inwards a— was in the cartel, i would start looking inwards a little bit if you— looking inwards a little bit if oon oekeo— looking inwards a little bit if oon oekeo ne— looking inwards a little bit if you asked me anyway, what do you noke— you asked me anyway, what do you noke ro— you asked me anyway, what do you noke to kno— you asked me anyway, what do you make to that conversation? where do oop— make to that conversation? where do oow econo— make to that conversation? where do oon erono on— make to that conversation? where do you stand on it?— make to that conversation? where do you stand on it? and 35, is it realistic?— do you stand on it? and 35, is it realistic? and— do you stand on it? and 35, is it realistic? and you give it it realistic? and if you give it to it realistic? and if you give it co-ooccore.— it realistic? and if you give it to - doctors, where - it realistic? and if you give it to doctors, where do you to the doctors, where do you erope— to the doctors, where do you erope-iwec— to the doctors, where do you stop?-just junior- to the doctors, where do you stop? just junior doctors stop? is it just junior doctors knoc— stop? is it just junior doctors that oeeerwe— stop? is it just junior doctors that deserve that pay that deserve that kind of pay nee— that deserve that kind of pay or now— that deserve that kind of pay rise or not? when i come back, twe— rise or not? when i come back, we got— rise or not? when i come back, we go o— rise or not? when i come back, we go o roc— rise or not? when i come back, i've got a lot to— rise or not? when i come back, i've got a lot to get into with you— i've got a lot to get into with ooe-ronrgnr. — i've got a lot to get into with you .tonight. .rnli.l i've got a lot to get into with. you .tonight. .rnli. yes. you guys tonight. the rnli. yes. briton.— you guys tonight. the rnli. yes. brilliant-saving- you guys tonight. the rnli. yes. brilliant. saving lives, brilliant. you're saving lives, poc— brilliant. you're saving lives, pot-oop— brilliant. you're saving lives, but-you okeo— brilliant. you're saving lives, but you also perhaps but are you also perhaps encoorogrng— but are you also perhaps encouraging that encouraging people to make that croeerng— encouraging people to make that croeerng inro— encouraging people to make that crossing into the— encouraging people to make that crossing into the channel? you reu— crossing into the channel? you

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sunday hello there, i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. the historian and gb news contributor— the historian and gb news contributor david starkey is okongeroe— contributor david starkey is alongside me,— contributor david starkey is alongside me, as is the co rounder— alongside me, as is the co founder of— alongside me, as is the co founder of novara media. aaron noeronr— founder of novara media. aaron noeronr .— founder of novara media. aaron noeronr . lore— founder of novara media. aaron bastani . lots of— founder of novara media. aaron bastani . lots of you guys bastani. lots of you guys getting— bastani. lots of you guys gerrrng rn— bastani. lots of you guys getting in touch about that ewrke. — getting in touch about that ewrke. r— getting in touch about that strike. i would— getting in touch about that strike. i would say actually knoc— strike. i would say actually that there's— strike. i would say actually that there's quite a division in kerne— that there's quite a division in rerne or— that there's quite a division in terms of whether— that there's quite a division in terms of whether or not it's reokrerrc— terms of whether or not it's realistic to _ terms of whether or not it's realistic to give _ terms of whether or not it's realistic to give that 35% to one— realistic to give that 35% to we junior— realistic to give that 35% to the junior doctors or not. i iner— the junior doctors or not. i poet wonk— the junior doctors or not. i peer wont to— the junior doctors or not. i just want to stress as well , you just want to stress as well, you know.— just want to stress as well, you know. doctore— just want to stress as well, you know, doctors great people doing greoc— know, doctors great people doing greoc eerwce— know, doctors great people doing great service. so— know, doctors great people doing great service. so if— know, doctors great people doing great service. so if you were a tenor— great service. so if you were a junior doctor— great service. so if you were a junior doctor and— great service. so if you were a junior doctor and you're krerenrng— junior doctor and you're listening and,- junior doctor and you're listening and, you know, i wonero— listening and, you know, i wonero oo— listening and, you know, i wonder, do you- listening and, you know, i wonder, do you get kind of offended— wonder, do you get kind of offended when— wonder, do you get kind of offended when people say that, no, offended when people say that, oop— offended when people say that, no, you shouldn't— offended when people say that, no, you shouldn't have that. do you— no, you shouldn't have that. do oow reek— no, you shouldn't have that. do you feel devalued— no, you shouldn't have that. do you feel devalued or what? gary eooe— you feel devalued or what? gary eooe.|on— you feel devalued or what? gary eooe|on eo— you feel devalued or what? gary says,iam so sick— you feel devalued or what? gary says,iam so sick of— you feel devalued or what? gary says, am so sick of hearing says, i am so sick of hearing ou— says, i am so sick of hearing or one— says, i am so sick of hearing all this nonsense.- says, i am so sick of hearing all this nonsense. doctors start on for— all this nonsense. doctors start on far over the _ all this nonsense. doctors start on far over the average pay in oeor— on far over the average pay in oeor rne— on far over the average pay in year one. this is— on far over the average pay in year one. this is the point that i year one. this is the point that r woe— year one. this is the point that r worng— year one. this is the point that rwoe rrorng ro— year one. this is the point that i was trying to make lots of peopke— i was trying to make lots of peopke cork— i was trying to make lots of people talk about this £14 an

now.— people talk about this £14 an now. put— people talk about this £14 an hour, but that— people talk about this £14 an hour, but that is— people talk about this £14 an hour, but that is like if it's ok— hour, but that is like if it's okk ernppeo— hour, but that is like if it's all stripped bare, that is what knoc— all stripped bare, that is what not figure— all stripped bare, that is what that figure is. _ all stripped bare, that is what that figure is. so— all stripped bare, that is what that figure is. so yeah , the that figure is. so yeah, the ocwok— that figure is. so yeah, the actual reality— that figure is. so yeah, the actual reality is- that figure is. so yeah, the actual reality is slightly different. _ actual reality is slightly different. we- actual reality is slightly different. we will have a bit or— different. we will have a bit or oowr— different. we will have a bit more of your response in a cowpke— more of your response in a cowpke or— more of your response in a couple of minutes, but there's onorner— couple of minutes, but there's onorner ecoro— couple of minutes, but there's another story that— couple of minutes, but there's another story that i really want to noke— another story that i really want to noke ine— another story that i really want to make time for— another story that i really want to make time for the rnli there. for to make time for the rnli there. to cne— to make time for the rnli there. to we firec— to make time for the rnli there. for the first time— to make time for the rnli there. for the first time today, they nowe — for the first time today, they have announced— for the first time today, they have announced their figures wnen— have announced their figures wnen k— have announced their figures wnen k coee— have announced their figures when it comes to— have announced their figures when it comes to their assistance— when it comes to their assistance people crossing assistance to people crossing cne—kore- assistance to people crossing one—rote or| the channel. there's lots of rncereenng— the channel. there's lots of interesting numbers going on were.— interesting numbers going on there. there's— interesting numbers going on there. there's also lots of rnrereenng— there. there's also lots of interesting insights. for exonpke— interesting insights. for exonpke .— interesting insights. for example , because the example, because among the rnrnge— example, because among the rnrnge-oorng- example, because among the things-doing at- example, because among the things doing at the things they're doing at the moment— things they're doing at the moment they're investing in moment is they're investing in eone-cecn.— moment is they're investing in eone-recn. r— moment is they're investing in some .tech. i think- moment is they're investing in some tech. i think they call some new tech. i think they call onen — some new tech. i think they call onen .eeo— some new tech. i think they call them .sea stairs,— some new tech. i think they call them sea stairs, basically them like sea stairs, basically to enopke— them like sea stairs, basically to enable lots— them like sea stairs, basically to enable lots of— them like sea stairs, basically to enable lots of people to get off to enable lots of people to get or knee— to enable lots of people to get off these vessels— to enable lots of people to get off these vessels in places off these vessels in in places rke— off these vessels in in places krke rne— off these vessels in in places like the channel— off these vessels in in places like the channel quickly. so 20 ooe— like the channel quickly. so 20 odd peopke— like the channel quickly. so 20 odd peopke con— like the channel quickly. so 20 odd people can get on to their knepoore— odd people can get on to their lifeboats quickly— odd people can get on to their lifeboats quickly in 90s. so gone— lifeboats quickly in 90s. so once o— lifeboats quickly in 90s. so once o eeo— lifeboats quickly in 90s. so quite a sea change in terms of or— quite a sea change in terms of of ne— quite a sea change in terms of some of the stuff— quite a sea change in terms of some of the stuff that they are doing.— some of the stuff that they are doing rneo— some of the stuff that they are doing. they reckon the rnli that rneo-we— doing. they reckon the rnli that rneo-we eoweo— doing. they reckon the rnli that they've saved 108— doing. they reckon the rnli that they've saved 108 people. kpporenwo— they've saved 108 people. apparently these crossings, they repreeenr— apparently these crossings, they repreeenr ewo— apparently these crossings, they represent 3% of— apparently these crossings, they represent 3% of their overall kine— represent 3% of their overall king or— represent 3% of their overall king of cow— represent 3% of their overall kind of call outs,— represent 3% of their overall kind of call outs, their knepooc— kind of call outs, their lifeboat call- kind of call outs, their lifeboat call outs. this is kind

of lifeboat call outs. this is kind or owned— lifeboat call outs. this is kind of divided people. david some peopke— of divided people. david some peopke oe— of divided people. david some people are saying, well done, knkr — people are saying, well done, knkr .— people are saying, well done, knkr . greor— people are saying, well done, rnli , great life— people are saying, well done, rnli , great life saving service. rnli, great life saving service. cornere— rnli, great life saving service. ornere ewe— rnli, great life saving service. others side of— rnli, great life saving service. others side of the fence is eookng— others side of the fence is eoorng. nong— others side of the fence is saying, hang on a second, pecowee— saying, hang on a second, pecowee n— saying, hang on a second, because if you— saying, hang on a second, because if you get into these orngnree— because if you get into these orngnree one— because if you get into these dinghies and you, you know, a lot dinghies and you, you know, a or or— dinghies and you, you know, a top or peopke— dinghies and you, you know, a lot of people will— dinghies and you, you know, a lot of people will perhaps be pweneo— lot of people will perhaps be poeneo co— lot of people will perhaps be pushed to make— lot of people will perhaps be pushed to make that decision pecowee— pushed to make that decision pecowee rneo— pushed to make that decision because they know all they've got to— because they know all they've got to do. — because they know all they've got to do. you're— because they know all they've got to do. you're not crossing cne— got to do. you're not crossing rne cnonnek— got to do. you're not crossing the channel dinghy. the channel in this dinghy. rec-e— the channel in this dinghy. rere-or— the channel in this dinghy. let's-of that- the channel in this dinghy. let's of that notion. let's get rid of that notion. vow-re— let's get rid of that notion. you're-crossing- let's get rid of that notion. you're crossing the channel. you're not crossing the channel. vow-re— you're not crossing the channel. vow-re iner— you're not crossing the channel. won-re peer rrorng— you're not crossing the channel. you're just trying get from you're just trying to get from rronce— you're just trying to get from francelthe_ you're just trying to get from france the border, the france to the border, the territorial— france to the border, the territorial boarding territorial water boarding knot-e— territorial water boarding knot-e k.— territorial water boarding knot-e n-r- territorial water boarding. that's it.-i-that's that's it. yeah. i think that's ngnr. — that's it. yeah. i think that's ngnr. -r- that's it. yeah. i think that's ngnr. -r werel that's it. yeah. i think that's. right. -i were taking right. i mean, if i were taking a really hard line, never, neven a really hard line, never, never. i would say that i'm afraid rnli is a royal afraid the rnli is a royal institution. an interestingly that a royal institute is actually an accessor after the fact to a criminal act, which i think an illegal immigrant is committing a criminal act. and we've completely refused to admit this fact. we as it were, shroud them . i mean, the shroud them. i mean, the archbishop, archbishop of canterbury is wonderful at this, isn't he? he paused the oil of unction over these people . most unction over these people. most of them all of them have passed

through several safe countries to get here. they are by definition, economic migrants . definition, economic migrants. they are, of course , paying, they are, of course, paying, usually able to pay very i mean, this is, again, the thing that people do not simply grasp. these people are not destitute . these people are not destitute. they are paying huge sums of money to people smugglers . a money to people smugglers. a nobody gets on one of those boats without handing over several thousands of pounds . and several thousands of pounds. and so what i use this are bribing their way into britain. they are committing a criminal act and a royal institute that enjoys royal institute that enjoys royal patronage is aiding and abetting them. let's call things by very harsh words there. i mean, i do have to point out knot.— mean, i do have to point out not. oop— mean, i do have to point out that, you know,— mean, i do have to point out that, you know, yes, i often enore— that, you know, yes, i often enore oowr— that, you know, yes, i often share your description in terms of share your description in terms or econornc— share your description in terms of economic migrants, but of rote— of economic migrants, but of course, lots of— of economic migrants, but of course, lots of these people do go course, lots of these people do foo-to— course, lots of these people do golto-asvlum- course, lots of these people do go to asylum status. go on to get asylum status. i mean, we debate— go on to get asylum status. i mean, we debate that often wnecner— mean, we debate that often wnerner or— mean, we debate that often whether or not— mean, we debate that often whether or not they should. but koron — whether or not they should. but koron wen.— whether or not they should. but aaron well, i'm— whether or not they should. but aaron well, i'm not quite sure wnor— aaron well, i'm not quite sure wnor row— aaron well, i'm not quite sure what law they're— aaron well, i'm not quite sure what law they're breaking pecowee— what law they're breaking because you _ what law they're breaking because you try walking through a because you try walking through o poeepon— because you try walking through o poeepon gore— because you try walking through a passport gate and you'll find our. — a passport gate and you'll find

our. wen.— a passport gate and you'll find our. work. no— a passport gate and you'll find out. well, no, but— a passport gate and you'll find out. 3q out. well, no, but seeking, seeking asylum. they're not seeking asylum. they're not seeking asylum. they're not seeking asylum . that's you're seeking asylum. that's you're ennweo. — seeking asylum. that's you're entitled. they— seeking asylum. that's you're entitled. they would - 3q that's you're entitled. they would say you're encrweo — entitled. they would say you're enticed to — entitled. they would say you're entitled to do— entitled. they would say you're entitled to do that under international— entitled to do that under international law . so that's the international law. so that's the pig— international law. so that's the trek porno. — international law. so that's the first point. and— international law. so that's the first point. and you said, in my opinion.— first point. and you said, in my opinion. .— first point. and you said, in my opinion, i mean,— first point. and you said, in my opinion, i mean, the law is not a opinion, i mean, the law is not o mocker— opinion, i mean, the law is not o note or— opinion, i mean, the law is not a matter of opinion. it's a mocker— a matter of opinion. it's a note or— a matter of opinion. it's a matter of-and- a matter of opinion. it's a matter of and the matter matter of fact. and the matter of matter of fact. and the matter or-re— matter of fact. and the matter or-re cnoc— matter of fact. and the matter of-is that they're- matter of fact. and the matter of is that they're not of fact is that they're not preokrng — of fact is that they're not breaking the _ of fact is that they're not breaking the law. you might wish rneo— breaking the law. you might wish rneo-neonng— breaking the law. you might wish they-breaking the- breaking the law. you might wish they breaking the law. they were breaking the law. maybe— they were breaking the law. moore-noo— they were breaking the law. maybe may need to leave maybe we may need to leave eewerok— several international treaties for—coee- several international treaties forcoee— butl for that to be the case. but ngnr— for that to be the case. but ngnr now— for that to be the case. but right now, they're not breaking the right now, they're not breaking rne—worng- right now, they're not breaking rne—rrorng co- the law illegally, trying to enter— the law illegally, trying to enter-re- the law illegally, trying to enter-is there'sl the law illegally, trying to. enter-is there's no enter a country is there's no ewcn— enter a country is there's no ewcn-rnere-e— enter a country is there's no such there's there's no such law. there's no there's no ewcn— such law. there's no there's no such -course there - such law. there's no there's no such course there is no such thing of course there is no as such thing of course there is no oe|eoro.— such thing of course there is no oe|eoro.-wo— such thing of course there is no asisaid,-try there- such thing of course there is no as said, try there legally as i said, you try there legally crock— as i said, you try there legally truck crashing— as i said, you try there legally truck crashing a— as i said, you try there legally truck crashing a passport, go to ponekon. — truck crashing a passport, go to donelan. ocqr we'll truck crashing a passport, go to donelan. we'll park truck crashing a passport, go to donelan. ocqr we'll park that donelan. okay. we'll park that for one— donelan. okay. we'll park that for one moment.— donelan. okay. we'll park that for one moment. in— donelan. we'll park that for one moment. in terms of the need. — for one moment. in terms of the need. keno.— for one moment. in terms of the indeed. t q �*" we for one moment. in terms of the indeed. 3q3 �*" we clearly indeed. right, fine. we clearly oreogree.— indeed. right, fine. we clearly oreogree. .— indeed. right, fine. we clearly disagree. i think— indeed. right, fine. we clearly disagree. i think there- indeed. 3q3. �*" we clearly disagree. i think there are rocke— disagree. i think there are facts-think- disagree. i think there are facts think your facts here. you think your opinion— facts here. you think your. opinion _facts. opinion is trumped the facts. knot-e— opinion is trumped the facts. more fine. — opinion is trumped the facts. that's fine. with— opinion is trumped the facts. that's fine. with regards to the row — that's fine. with regards to the row orowno— that's fine. with regards to the rnli aroundiin_ that's fine. with regards to the rnli around in people rnli around 1 in 3 people rneo-re— rnli around 1 in 3 people- they're—undocumented they're saving are undocumented nrgronre— they're saving are undocumented migrants .they're _ they're saving are undocumented migrants they're line is our migrants and they're line is our job migrants and they're line is our top re— migrants and they're line is our top e co— migrants and they're line is our job e co eooe— migrants and they're line is our job is to save people's lives at knot-e— job is to save people's lives at rnor-e k— job is to save people's lives at more it .— job is to save people's lives at sea. that's it . and— job is to save people's lives at sea. that's it . and whether or sea. that's it. and whether or not— sea. that's it. and whether or not rnoee— sea. that's it. and whether or not those people _ sea. that's it. and whether or not those people are from ornon— not those people are from nrkorn or— not those people are from britain or coming from france is rrrekewonr.— britain or coming from france is irrelevant, immaterial . and i irrelevant, immaterial. and i rnrnk— irrelevant, immaterial. and i cnrnk knot-e— irrelevant, immaterial. and i think that's quite a noble thing

to eoo. — think that's quite a noble thing to eoo. kno— think that's quite a noble thing to say. and secondly, i think pronrng— to say. and secondly, i think pronrng rne— to say. and secondly, i think blaming the rnli for this really rere— blaming the rnli for this really rere rne— blaming the rnli for this really lets the government off the hook . vow — lets the government off the hook . you know. — lets the government off the hook . you know, the— lets the government off the hook . you know, the rnli is not porter— . you know, the rnli is not border force. _ . you know, the rnli is not border force. we've just paid rne— border force. we've just paid rne rrencn— border force. we've just paid rne rrencn o— border force. we've just paid the french a half £1 billion, more or less,— the french a half £1 billion, more or less, several hundred nrkkron— more or less, several hundred mutton-ro— more or less, several hundred million -to do - more or less, several hundred million -to do very. more or less, several hundred million to do very little million pounds to do very little to million pounds to do very little ro-krwke.— million pounds to do very little to-little, precisely.- to do very little, precisely. kno— to do very little, precisely. andlthink_ to do very little, precisely. and |think this- to do very little, precisely. and think this exactly the and i think this is exactly the king— and i think this is exactly the king-rne— and i think this is exactly the king-one roro- and i think this is exactly the kind the tory tories and i think this is exactly the kind love the tory tories and i think this is exactly the kind love it.the tory tories and i think this is exactly the kind love it. thetory tories and i think this is exactly the kind love it. the homerries and i think this is exactly the kind love it. the home secretary must love it. the home secretary . went.— must love it. the home secretary . krenr. rneo— must love it. the home secretary , rishi, they must— must love it. the home secretary , rishi, they must love it pecowee— , rishi, they must love it because-say,- , rishi, they must love it because say, you know , rishi, they must love it- because-say, you know what, because they say, you know what, forking.— because they say, you know what, we're failing. 6000— because they say, you know what, we're failing. 6000 people are coming— we're failing. 6000 people arei coming—ewero we're failing. 6000 people arei comiiwe've_every we're failing. 6000 people are comiiwe've got every we're failing. 6000 people are comiiwe've got 600,000 every we're failing. 6000 people are comiiwe've got 600,000 people year. we've got 600,000 people coming—rn— year. we've got 600,000 people coming—in terms- year. we've got 600,000 people coming—in terms of. coming altogether in terms of net nrgrocron— coming altogether in terms of net migration and people are not coming— net migration and people are not coming ewero— net migration and people are not coming ewero oeor. — net migration and people are not coming every year. . coming every year. last year it was about 46,000, 60,000, sorry, 60,000. tens of thousands are coming— 60,000. tens of thousands are coming oer— 60,000. tens of thousands are coming over the— mi“ 000 tens of thousands are coming over the channel and gor— coming over the channel and goo ner— coming over the channel and we've got net migration of 600.000— we've got net migration of eooeoo o— we've got net migration of 600,000 a year. clearly the ronce— 600,000 a year. clearly the ronee ore— 600,000 a year. clearly the tories are failing— 600,000 a year. clearly the tories are failing on a number of tories are failing on a number or revere— tories are failing on a number of levels and— tories are failing on a number of levels and we're talking opowr— of levels and we're talking opowc cne— of levels and we're talking about the rnli— of levels and we're talking about the rnli and they're eookng— about the rnli and they're eookng-owr- about the rnli and they're saying,-our job- about the rnli and they're saying, our job is to saying, sorry, ourjob is to eoweo-c— saying, sorry, ourjob is to- save-at-they're save people at sea and they're going— save people at sea and they're going to.— save people at sea and they're doing it.|think_ save people at sea and they're doing it. think that's good, doing it. i think that's good, good— doing it. i think that's good, good for— doing it. i think that's good, good for them. _ doing it. i think that's good, good for them. so i'm i've never heard such a sort of stream of confusion. i mean, if the tories are failing, then presumably you disapprove illegal disapprove of illegal immigrants. me at immigrants. you then tell me at the beginning that having illegal immigrants a good

illegal immigrants is a good thing. it's good thing. would you say it's a good ventriloquising me, i'm like, i'm like emu rod hull, i'm like emu with rod hull, please out your arguments please sort out your arguments to begin with. what are the tories failing well, they tories failing at? well, they have they reduce have claimed they reduce immigration in 2010. they've tens of thousands.— q 3 $700 they've tens of thousands. david, pkeoee. —nei please. you've asked me a gneeton— please. you've asked me a gneerron. ne— please. you've asked me a question. be kind enough to let me answer. david— question. be kind enough to let me answer. david cameron said in zero.— me answer. david cameron said in zero-reonce— me answer. david cameron said in 2010, reduce immigration 2010, we will reduce immigration in 2010, we will reduce immigration rn-rene— 2010, we will reduce immigration rn-rene or— 2010, we will reduce immigration in tens of thousands this in to the tens of thousands this year.— in to the tens of thousands this oeor. ner— in to the tens of thousands this year, net immigration is 600.000- — year, net immigration isi 600,000. -make year, net immigration is 600,000. -make claim 600,000. he did make that claim . and i think this is a very interesting and important conversation. go conversation. so i'm going to go to break. ernie give us to the break. ernie to give us time actually do it properly, time to actually do it properly, because going to come back because i'm going to come back to it. so dirk, go. anyway, it's just getting good. i know you was up steam, everyone. was building up steam, everyone. where you where where do you work? where do you sit this? which side are you sit on this? which side are you on? continue into

hello there, michelle dewberry david starkey. aaron bastani with you till seven. just before the break, we were talking about

the break, we were talking about the rnli producing their figures for how many people they are saving at sea crossing the channel. aaron saying it's a great distraction from government failures . david government failures. david saying what? government failures continue, gents . what david was continue, gents. what david was eoorng— continue, gents. what david was eoorng cnoc— continue, gents. what david was eoorng rnor rn— continue, gents. what david was eoorng rnor r-n o— rtrtr3. qrt;3.~tr what david was saying that i'm a hypocrite pecowee— saying that i'm a hypocrite pecowee r— saying that i'm a hypocrite because i think— saying that i'm a hypocrite because i think first of all, i eon-c— because i think first of all, i eon-c cnrnk— because i think first of all, i don't think undocumented nrgronon— don't think undocumented migration is— don't think undocumented migration is good. i think it opwoweko— migration is good. i think it opwoweko rn— migration is good. i think it obviously in an— migration is good. i think it obviously in an ideal perfect worke.— obviously in an ideal perfect world, there— obviously in an ideal perfect world, there would be no undocumented migration. okay. i don-c— undocumented migration. okay. i don-conrnk— undocumented migration. okay. i don't think it's— undocumented migration. okay. i don't think it's good.— undocumented migration. okay. i don't think it's good. shall we then? shall we then move an ideal world? it be legal, ideal world? it will be legal, ewreko. — ideal world? it will be legal, eweko. snou— ideal world? it will be legal, surely. shall we— ideal world? it will be legal, surely. shall we move on? because being accused of because i'm being accused of saying which do not saying something which i do not believe. handling believe. i think the handling of immigration the conservative immigration by the conservative government, most other government, like most other aspects the conservative aspects of the conservative government, has been catastrophic. it's catastrophic. but i think it's absolutely it will be absolutely certain it will be even worse if your lot got in. i don't. you're probably more critical starmer than critical of keir starmer than i am, frankly. let's let's am, frankly. but let's let's let's get let's leave one let's get let's leave that one aside. remember, is not aside. and remember, this is not simply british problem . italy simply a british problem. italy is labouring under exactly the same thing. the south coast of france is. and there is this is immaterial. we're talking about

the immaterial. we're talking about we knw. — immaterial. we're talking about the rnli. what— immaterial. we're talking about the rnli. what we— immaterial. we're talking about the rnli. what we have- immaterial. we're talking about the rnli. what we have here in britain is a quite remarkable connivance in the part of a royal charity. and indeed , dare royal charity. and indeed, dare one say it, the royal navy. there there's a there's there are notions that there are superior sets of values to those of the law. and of the state, that there is this kind of nofion that there is this kind of notion of a of a common humanity which overrules mere things like law, like notion , hood and so law, like notion, hood and so on. i think it's profoundly dangerous. and i'm sure aaron thinks probably good thinks it's probably a good thing. well, says, thing. well, eileen says, i eon-r— thing. well, eileen says, i eon-c rnrnk— 3q well, eileen says, i don't think people will be happy to oonore— don't think people will be happy to oonore co— don't think people will be happy to donate to the— don't think people will be happy to donate to the rnli knowing cnoc— to donate to the rnli knowing that one— to donate to the rnli knowing that one re— to donate to the rnli knowing that this is they're doing. that this is what they're doing. awe— that this is what they're doing. awe-nove— that this is what they're doing. clive have removed them clive says, i have removed them from— clive says, i have removed them tron-wer— clive says, i have removed them from .listlcharities- clive says, i have removed them from list charities to from my list of charities to wnrcn— from my list of charities to whichldonate. _ from my list of charities to which donate. well, you'd be which i donate. well, you'd be ewrprkeect— which i donate. well, you'd bej ewrprkeect—ro surprised, ladies and gents, to keorn— surprised, ladies and gents, to keorn-n— surprised, ladies and gents, to learn-if that— surprised, ladies and gents, to learn-if that is- learn then, if that is the owwoe — learn then, if that is the attitude actually they're attitude that actually they're oonorrone— attitude that actually they're donations increase that donations increase in that penoo. — donations increase in that penoo. rn— donations increase in that period. in the— donations increase in that period. in the last period, they es.— period. in the last period, they increase 3.5. if— period. in the last period, they increase 3.5. if my— period. in the last period, they increase 3.5. if my memory eenee— increase 3.5. if my memory eenee ne— increase 3.5. if my memory serves me correctly, which i'm ngnr— serves me correctly, which i'm ngnr .— serves me correctly, which i'm ngnr . k— serves me correctly, which i'm ngnr . n eoee— serves me correctly, which i'm right . it does. it— serves me correctly, which i'm right . it does. it does. peter right. it does. it does. peter oo-e— right. it does. it does. peter oo-e iner— right. it does. it does. peter you've just been— right. it does. it does. peter you've just been in touch. one of you've just been in touch. one or no— you've just been in touch. one or no wewere— you've just been in touch. one of my viewers saying, michelle, coooo— of my viewers saying, michelle, coooo re— of my viewers saying, michelle, coooo re cne— of my viewers saying, michelle, today is the anniversary of the eno— today is the anniversary of the end or— today is the anniversary of the end or one— today is the anniversary of the end of the falklands war. please

can end of the falklands war. please oop— end of the falklands war. please oon gwe— end of the falklands war. please oon gwe o— end of the falklands war. please can you give a mention to all cnoee— can you give a mention to all cnoee wno— can you give a mention to all those who served,— can you give a mention to all those who served, all those erected.— those who served, all those affected, all— those who served, all those affected, all those who gave the wknnore— affected, all those who gave the ultimate sacrifice?— affected, all those who gave the ultimate sacrifice? you're eoorng— ultimate sacrifice? you're eoorng-oow-we- ultimate sacrifice? you're saying you've not heard any saying that you've not heard any mention—oc- mention of this anniversary at all mention of this anniversary at or n— mention of this anniversary at or in ono— mention of this anniversary at or in ono of— mention of this anniversary at all in any of the— mention of this anniversary at all in any of the media anywhere 7 all in any of the media anywhere ? i all in any of the media anywhere e r wink.— all in any of the media anywhere 7 i think, peter,— all in any of the media anywhere ? i think, peter, you— all in any of the media anywhere ? i think, peter, you raised a vero— ? i think, peter, you raised a wero gooe— ? i think, peter, you raised a wero gooo porno.— ? i think, peter, you raised a very good point. ultimate reepecr.— very good point. ultimate reepecc. or— very good point. ultimate respect, of course , as you say, respect, of course, as you say, cnoc— respect, of course, as you say, that ok— respect, of course, as you say, that or or— respect, of course, as you say, that all of those— respect, of course, as you say, that all of those people that you— that all of those people that oon iner— that all of those people that you just mentioned and beyond. rec-e— you just mentioned and beyond. rec-e noe— you just mentioned and beyond. rec-e on— you just mentioned and beyond. let's move on, though. did you know— let's move on, though. did you know roooo— let's move on, though. did you know coooo e— let's move on, though. did you know today ? yes,— let's move on, though. did you know today ? yes, today is two know today? yes, today is two oeore— know today? yes, today is two oeore ro— know today? yes, today is two oeore to we — know today? yes, today is two years to the day— know today? yes, today is two years to the day that we prooocoec— years to the day that we broadcast the- years to the day that we broadcast the first dewbs& co akwo— broadcast the first dewbs& co kkwo. kook— broadcast the first dewbs& co kkwo. kook .— broadcast the first dewbs& co akua. look . at— broadcast the first dewbs& co akua. look . at i'm michelle akua. look. at i'm michelle pewperro— akua. look. at i'm michelle pewperro ono— akua. look. at i'm michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& co for pone— dewberry and this is dewbs& co for pone of— dewberry and this is dewbs& co for pone or one— dewberry and this is dewbs& co for parts of the show. this is one— for parts of the show. this is we onko— for parts of the show. this is the only reason— for parts of the show. this is the only reason why i said yes to cowering— the only reason why i said yes to covering this— the only reason why i said yes to covering this because i get a free— to covering this because i get a free drink— to covering this because i get a free drink and— to covering this because i get a free drink and i'm— to covering this because i get a free drink and i'm a northerner. kno— free drink and i'm a northerner. ano wnen— free drink and i'm a northerner. and when there— free drink and i'm a northerner. and when there is— free drink and i'm a northerner. and when there is free alcohol wnere— and when there is free alcohol wnere onere — and when there is free alcohol where there what— and when there is free alcohol where there what can i say? the rnorwowok— where there what can i say? the individual claimed— where there what can i say? the individual claimed get this, cnoc— individual claimed get this, not ne— individual claimed get this, no ne por— individual claimed get this, that he put the— individual claimed get this, that he put the item on the floor— that he put the item on the floor for— that he put the item on the floor for whilst— that he put the item on the floor for whilst having a clear out— floor for whilst having a clear out k— floor for whilst having a clear out it ono— floor for whilst having a clear out it and then— floor for whilst having a clear out it and then he slipped and he out it and then he slipped and ne reu— out it and then he slipped and ne few on— out it and then he slipped and ne few on k.— out it and then he slipped and he fell on it. i— out it and then he slipped and he fell on it. i mean , you've

he fell on it. i mean, you've got— he fell on it. i mean, you've got to— he fell on it. i mean, you've got to pe— he fell on it. i mean, you've got to be o— he fell on it. i mean, you've got to be a little— he fell on it. i mean, you've got to be a little bit unfortunate - got to be a little bit unfortunate haven't you, to slip ono— unfortunate haven't you, to slip one row— unfortunate haven't you, to slip one row ono— unfortunate haven't you, to slip and fall and something goes into procee— and fall and something goes into pkocee cnoc— and fall and something goes into places that quite— and fall and something goes into places that quite frankly you cnoc— places that quite frankly you never that they _ places that quite frankly you never that they didn't know you . wno— never that they didn't know you . wno oro— never that they didn't know you . wno oro oop— never that they didn't know you . why did you want us to be. won— . why did you want us to be. you wont— . why did you want us to be. you wont oe— . why did you want us to be. you want us about— . why did you want us to be. you want us about the- . why did you want us to be. you want us about the other stories because there was you tell us about this story. i'm sorry . well, sir, are you- sorry. well, sir, are you erwrng— sorry. well, sir, are you sitting comfortably and if so, one— sitting comfortably and if so, one if— sitting comfortably and if so, on n ooe-re— sitting comfortably and if so, and if you're ready, i'll begin on one— and if you're ready, i'll begin on we kree— and if you're ready, i'll begin on the kiss each— and if you're ready, i'll begin on the kiss each other all over rnerr— on the kiss each other all over their bodies. _ on the kiss each other all over their bodies. 3r: their bodies. behind the ears, on the neck, on the chest and stomach. even on the bum. and between the legs is sabrina's vagina becomes moist and warm and marco's penis gets very stiff. it was supposed . sorry. stiff. it was supposed. sorry. oh, sorry . well, there's more . i oh, sorry. well, there's more. i think . i'll oh, sorry. well, there's more. i think. i'll save it. it's

michelle .. . it's michelle dewberry 3< .. . it's michelle dewberry . think. i'll save it. it's. michelle dewberry . can think. i'll save it. it's michelle dewberry . can you wolf michelle dewberry. can you wolf whistle? yeah.— michelle dewberry. can you wolf whistle? yeah. to— michelle dewberry. can you wolf whistle? yeah. to be— michelle dewberry. c3 3 7 yeah. to be clear, i'm whistle? yeah. to be clear, i'm not— whistle? yeah. to be clear, i'm not won— whistle? yeah. to be clear, i'm not wolf whistling. - 7 yeah. to be clear, i'm not wolf whistling. /rtr r: r: 3 . not wolf whistling. you didn't nove— not wolf whistling. you didn't two to— not wolf whistling. you didn't have to say that for a second. ready? and by the way, i've not warmed up, so it might not work. wait a minute. i would happily eene— wait a minute. i would happily eeno oop— wait a minute. i would happily eeno oow ro— wait a minute. i would happily send you to prison for two years for cnoc- — send you to prison for two years for cnoc- r— send you to prison for two years for that. i suppose.— send you to prison for two years for that. oh, for that. isuppose. sorry. oh, eorro— for that. isuppose. sorry. oh, eorro. — for that. isuppose. sorry. oh, sorry. well, for that. isuppose. sorry. oh, sorry . well, there's more . there sorry. well, there's more. there was more as well. the guy, the hospital story, the wrexham story. someone had been putting buzz lightyear items up there. bits and pieces. i must say, that's the first time i've seen this. and i was cringing when you. you might be wondering, what was she talking about there? those rude bits. that was a seven year olds. a book aimed at seven year olds. one the most mortifying one of the most mortifying things had to do in my things i've ever had to do in my entire life was to read that out. tell you i was out. i can tell you i was blushing as i was then watching it that is the kind of it back. that is the kind of things that the children, seven it back. that is the kind of thingoldsit the children, seven it back. that is the kind of thingolds are re children, seven it back. that is the kind of thingolds are havingren, seven it back. that is the kind of thingolds are having readreven it back. that is the kind of thingolds are having read to an year olds are having read to them, disgusted so it did.

year olds are having read to theni disgusted so it did. year olds are having read to theni worry sted so it did. year olds are having read to theni worry that so it did. year olds are having read to theni worry that things it did. year olds are having read to theni worry that things haved. and i worry that things have perhaps got worse, not better. thank watching us for thank you for watching us for supporting gb news. we appreciate it. long it appreciate it. long may it continue, for now he does continue, but for now he does not . gents, because not continue. gents, because farage is up next. we've got to say you good night. do say thank you and good night. do not anywhere hello? it's not go anywhere. hello? it's aidan magee ivan here from the met office. with the gb news forecoer.— met office. with the gb news forecoer. rte— met office. with the gb news forecast, it's been— i~irt;. o77trt; with the gb news forecast, it's been another erwnnrng— forecast, it's been another ernnnrng eoo— forecast, it's been another stunning day across the whole of the stunning day across the whole of we wk— stunning day across the whole of we wk roooo. — stunning day across the whole of the uk today. clear— stunning day across the whole of the uk today. clear skies for noec— the uk today. clear skies for most continuing— the uk today. clear skies for most continuing overnight and into— most continuing overnight and into tomorrow— most continuing overnight and into tomorrow .— most continuing overnight and into tomorrow . staying warm into tomorrow. staying warm both by day— into tomorrow. staying warm both to do ono— into tomorrow. staying warm both to do on po— into tomorrow. staying warm both by day and by night. with high preeewre ro— by day and by night. with high pressure to the— by day and by night. with high pressure to the north of the uk . wewe— pressure to the north of the uk . we-we enu— pressure to the north of the uk . we've still got— pressure to the north of the uk . we've still got this cooler eoererko— . we've still got this cooler easterly airflow— . we've still got this cooler easterly airflow affecting eoeernr— easterly airflow affecting eastern parts,— easterly airflow affecting eastern parts, but it's a rekocweko— eastern parts, but it's a relatively dry- eastern parts, but it's a relatively dry air flow. so crowe— relatively dry air flow. so cloud free _ relatively dry air flow. so cloud free skies for the vast nor-onco— cloud free skies for the vast nor-onto .— cloud free skies for the vast majority . having cloud free skies for the vast majority. having said cloud free skies for the vast majority . having said that, cloud free skies for the vast majority. having said that, odd eowenr— majority. having said that, odd shower possible— majority. having said that, odd shower possible as we go into one— shower possible as we go into rne evening— shower possible as we go into the evening for— shower possible as we go into the evening for northwest wrong.— the evening for northwest scotland, perhaps even a rumble of wonder.— scotland, perhaps even a rumble of thunder, they'll— scotland, perhaps even a rumble of thunder, they'll clear away eone-nongrng- of thunder, they'll clear away some hanging around some mistiness hanging around for rne— some mistiness hanging around for we nonn— some mistiness hanging around for the north of— some mistiness hanging around for the north of scotland . for the north of scotland. around— for the north of scotland. around-some. for the north of scotland. . around-some low for the north of scotland. - around-some low cloud around the coast, some low cloud oewekoprng— around the coast, some low cloud developing-central- around the coast, some low cloud developing central parts developing across central parts of developing across central parts or-nwr— developing across central parts of-but otherwise- developing across central parts of but otherwise it's of england. but otherwise it's ckeor— of england. but otherwise it's ckeor-ror— of england. but otherwise it's clear-for-vast- clear skies for the vast nor-onco— clear skies for the vast nor-onto .— clear skies for the vast majority . and clear skies for the vast- majority . and -those majority. and despite those ckeor— majority. and despite those clear skies— majority. and despite those clear skies ,_ majority. and despite those clear skies , it's— majority. and despite those clear skies , it's going to stay

clear skies, it's going to stay warm overnight.— clear skies, it's going to stay warm overnight. temperatures krngenng— warm overnight. temperatures krngenng rn— warm overnight. temperatures lingering in teens. so in lingering in the teens. so in epote— lingering in the teens. so in some spots, particularly city centree— some spots, particularly city centree tn— some spots, particularly city centres in the— some spots, particularly city centres in the south, it's going to te— centres in the south, it's going to be on— centres in the south, it's going to be an uncomfortable one for eteeptng— to be an uncomfortable one for eteeptng. .— to be an uncomfortable one for sleeping. i think.— to be an uncomfortable one for sleeping. i think. but we start off sleeping. i think. but we start ott wttn— sleeping. i think. but we start off with sunny— sleeping. i think. but we start off with sunny skies once again on tnwretoo— off with sunny skies once again on thursday -and- on thursday morning. and ottnowgn— on thursday morning. and although bubble although some clouds will bubble up although some clouds will bubble wp tecowee— although some clouds will bubble up because we're— although some clouds will bubble up because we're going to see a bit up because we're going to see a ttt ore— up because we're going to see a bit more instability— up because we're going to see a bit more instability in the otnoepnere— bit more instability in the atmosphere ,_ bit more instability in the atmosphere , a- bit more instability in the atmosphere , a bit more humidity atmosphere, a bit more humidity orrtwtng— atmosphere, a bit more humidity arriving, nevertheless , yes, arriving, nevertheless, yes, ptento— arriving, nevertheless, yes, ptento ot— arriving, nevertheless, yes, plenty of sunny- arriving, nevertheless, yes, plenty of sunny spells and temperatures— plenty of sunny spells and temperatures once more reaching the temperatures once more reaching tne nte— temperatures once more reaching tne rntt to— temperatures once more reaching tne rntt to ntgn— temperatures once more reaching the mid to high 20s. the hotspot ttketo— the mid to high 20s. the hotspot ttketo ocroee— the mid to high 20s. the hotspot likely across central and eowtnern— likely across central and southern parts of england. but etttt— southern parts of england. but still temperatures well still widely temperatures well otowe— still widely temperatures well above average _ still widely temperatures well above average except for that toet— above average except for that toet cooet— above average except for that east coast once— above average except for that east coast once again. however, some storms will— east coast once again. however, some storms will form over the repwtttc— some storms will form over the repwtttc ot— some storms will form over the republic of ireland— some storms will form over the republic of ireland and into the ewentng— republic of ireland and into the ewentng tneo-tt— republic of ireland and into the evening they'll likely push into porte— evening they'll likely push into porte ot— evening they'll likely push into parts of northern— evening they'll likely push into parts of northern ireland, eepectotto— parts of northern ireland, especially towards the west . and especially towards the west. and tneee— especially towards the west. and tneee conto— especially towards the west. and these could be— especially towards the west. and these could be pretty vicious wttn— these could be pretty vicious with torrential— these could be pretty vicious with torrential rain , frequent with torrential rain, frequent ttgntntng— with torrential rain, frequent ttgntntng ont— with torrential rain, frequent lightning and large hail . so it lightning and large hail. so it conto— lightning and large hail. so it cowtt cowee— lightning and large hail. so it could cause some impacts for porte— could cause some impacts for porte ot— could cause some impacts for parts of northern— could cause some impacts for parts of northern ireland. and tote— parts of northern ireland. and tote-tnto— parts of northern ireland. andi late-into-evening late afternoon into the evening .tneo— late afternoon into the evening to cteor— late afternoon into the evening , they clear overnight. and , they clear away overnight. and tnen— , they clear away overnight. and tnen-tt-e— , they clear away overnight. and tnen-tt-e-onol then for most, it's a dry and etort— then for most, it's a dry and warm start to _ then for most, it's a dry and warm start to friday. widespread ewnno— warm start to friday. widespread ewnno ektee— warm start to friday. widespread sunny skies once— warm start to friday. widespread sunny skies once again. but the etgne— sunny skies once again. but the etgne ore—

sunny skies once again. but the signs are there— sunny skies once again. but the signs are there of— sunny skies once again. but the signs are there of a change. once— signs are there of a change. once ogotn— signs are there of a change. once again, thunderstorms oewetoptng— once again, thunderstorms developing across ireland. there ttketo— developing across ireland. there ttketo to— developing across ireland. there likely to develop— developing across ireland. there likely to develop a— developing across ireland. there likely to develop a bit more no— likely to develop a bit more into western _ likely to develop a bit more into western parts of the uk on trttoo— into western parts of the uk on friday afternoon.— into western parts of the uk on friday afternoon. and then more wtteto— friday afternoon. and then more wtteto. once— friday afternoon. and then more widely, once again— friday afternoon. and then more widely, once again into saturday and

sunday good isonooo- good evening. sunday good evening. well, it was the trump trial last night, but tonight i'm going to be asking, is this a witch hunt or is he really in serious trouble? we go to nottingham where— really in serious trouble? we go to nottingham where a- 3 7 we go to nottingham where a vigil has token— to nottingham where a vigil has token ptoce— to nottingham where a vigil has taken place after— to nottingham where a vigil has taken place after those horrendous— taken place after those horrendous murders yesterday. we ton-t— horrendous murders yesterday. we ton-t oet— horrendous murders yesterday. we oon-t oet know— horrendous murders yesterday. we don't yet know whether the pottce— don't yet know whether the pottce reotto— don't yet know whether the police really were classed this as-or mental- police really were classed this as or mental illness. as terrorism or mental illness. wett— as terrorism or mental illness. we-tt-owt— as terrorism or mental illness. we'll-out more- as terrorism or mental illness. we'll-out more .- as terrorism or mental illness. we'll out more . and a we'll find out more. and a conservative— we'll find out more. and a conservative member of porttonent— conservative member of parliament is- conservative member of parliament is going absolutely crockere ot— parliament is going absolutely crackers at the— parliament is going absolutely crackers at the home secretary oektng— crackers at the home secretary oektng wno.— crackers at the home secretary oektng wno. on.— crackers at the home secretary asking why, oh, why did 50% of attontone— asking why, oh, why did 50% of albanians that— asking why, oh, why did 50% of albanians that crossed the cnonnet— albanians that crossed the channel last— albanians that crossed the channel last year, why were they gwen— channel last year, why were they gwen oeotwn— channel last year, why were they given asylum status? all of that

in given asylum status? all of that tn teet— given asylum status? all of that tn twet o—