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beyond coming together there to have a minute's silence out of respect and honour for the people that were tragically killed . and grace o'malley . killed. and grace o'malley. o-mauey— killed. and grace o'malley. o'malley kumar_ cos: and grace o'malley. o'malley kumar barnaby webber and ....— o'malley kumar barnaby webber and ian cums— o'malley kumar barnaby webber and ian cums .— o'malley kumar barnaby webber and ian curtis. thoughts with all and ian curtis. thoughts with an of— and ian curtis. thoughts with an of their— and ian curtis. thoughts with all of their families for now, let-s— all of their families for now, let-s bring— all of their families for now, let's bring ourselves up to speed— let's bring ourselves up to speed ,— let's bring ourselves up to speed , though,- let's bring ourselves up to speed , though, with the speed, though, with the headlines _ speed, though, with the headlines with polly middlehurst . michelle— headlines with polly middlehurst . michelle thank— headlines with polly middlehurst . michelle thank you. kiwi“ . michelle thank you. well, as you-ve— . michelle thank you. well, as we just— . michelle thank you. well, as you've just been hearing, the city of nottingham has fallen silent in memory of the three victims of tuesday's brutal knife attacks. if you're watching on television, you would have seen live pictures where hundreds of people gathered in the old market square in the centre of nottingham nottingham nottingham outside nottingham council house their council house to pay their respects to the three that were killed, 19 year old students, grace o'malley, kumar and barnaby webber from nottingham university and 65 year old local

school caretaker ian coates , all school caretaker ian coates, all killed on tuesday in a knife attack . while that brutal attack. while that brutal murders have brought the city together and police are working together and police are working to find out a motive , detectives to find out a motive, detectives have been given a further 36 hours to question the prime suspect who it's been confirmed today was a former student of the university. well, in other news today, boris johnson has rejected the findings of the inquiry looking into partygate, which has reported that mr johnson deliberately misled parliament. the report says the former prime minister was guilty of serious contempt and was complicit in a campaign attempting to abuse and intimidate the committee itself . mrjohnson has described the findings as a deranged conclusion line and accused the inquiry itself of hypocrisy. the former prime minister would have faced a recommended suspension of 90 days had he not quit as an mp. now mps will debate the report into his conduct on

monday . meanwhile, the deputy monday. meanwhile, the deputy labour leader angela rayner, says he should never have been prime minister. well i think the privileges— prime minister. well i think the privileges committee— prime minister. well i think the privileges committee is- 37” m " well i think the privileges committee is pretty. you privileges committee is pretty. vou know,— privileges committee is pretty. you know, n-s— privileges committee is pretty. you know, it's serious . boris you know, it's serious. boris johnson— you know, it's serious. boris johnson is— you know, it's serious. boris johnson is not— you know, it's serious. boris johnson is not only a law breaker— johnson is not only a law breaker but— johnson is not only a law breaker but a— johnson is not only a law breaker but a liar. he's not fit for public— breaker but a liar. he's not fit for public office— breaker but a liar. he's not fit for public office and he's disgraced— for public office and he's disgraced himself and continues to act— disgraced himself and continues to act “k..— disgraced himself and continues to act like a— disgraced himself and continues to act like a you— disgraced himself and continues to act like a you know, pound seep.— to act like a you know, pound seep. trump— to act like a you know, pound seep. trump m— to act like a you know, pound shop. trump in the way in which he mee— shop. trump in the way in which he thee te— shop. trump in the way in which he tries to discredit— shop. trump in the way in which he tries to discredit any body the— he tries to discredit any body who criticises— he tries to discredit any body who criticises his— he tries to discredit any body who criticises his actions when eetuetty— who criticises his actions when eetuetty e— who criticises his actions when actually a decent— who criticises his actions when actually a decent public servant wette— actually a decent public servant weutt hete— actually a decent public servant would have done— actually a decent public servant would have done the honourable thee,— would have done the honourable thhg, wette— would have done the honourable thing, would have— would have done the honourable thing, would have had a little bit thing, would have had a little htt et— thing, would have had a little bit of humility— thing, would have had a little bit of humility and would have epetegteet— bit of humility and would have epetegteet te— bit of humility and would have apologised to the— bit of humility and would have apologised to the british public for apologised to the british public he that— apologised to the british public he that they— apologised to the british public for what they put— apologised to the british public for what they put them through. angett— for what they put them through. angete tether— for what they put them through. angela rayner speaking - for what they put them through. angela rayner speaking earlier on well, here's how on today. well, here's how voters have been reacting to the report . he did voters have been reacting to the report. he did address an excellent job in a difficult situation, so i don't see how they can down him now for what he's he made a mistake. so did hundreds of others— he's he made a mistake. so did hundreds of others ._ he's he made a mistake. so did hundreds of others . they- : so did hundreds of others . they don't hundreds of others. they don't get tettewet— hundreds of others. they don't get followed up— hundreds of others. they don't get followed up . _ hundreds of others. they don't get followed up . ti; t: get followed up. he's the kind of guy that if you were having a party, you'd want him to come. he's a nice , fun guy. but as

he's a nice, fun guy. but as teeter— he's a nice, fun guy. but as teeter et— he's a nice, fun guy. but as leader of the _ he's a nice, fun guy. but as leader of the country, no , under leader of the country, no, under the circumstances— leader of the country, no, under the circumstances ,_ leader of the country, no, under the circumstances , us things, the circumstances, us things, you— the circumstances, us things, you thou— the circumstances, us things, you know ,— the circumstances, us things, you know , could— the circumstances, us things, you know , could have been you know, could have been tttteteht. — you know, could have been different. but— you know, could have been different. cc : you know, could have been different. t?“ : different. but still nobody else could have done it. he got the job done . well, it's been job done. well, it's been confirmed— job done. well, it's been confirmed today- : well, it's been confirmed today that by elections— confirmed today that by elections in— confirmed today that by elections in uxbridge and south tutetth— elections in uxbridge and south tutetto ont— elections in uxbridge and south ruislip and selby— elections in uxbridge and south ruislip and selby and ainsty for hotte— ruislip and selby and ainsty for boris johnson— ruislip and selby and ainsty for boris johnson and— ruislip and selby and ainsty for boris johnson and nigel adams teeoeettvety— boris johnson and nigel adams teepeettvety ,— boris johnson and nigel adams respectively , will— boris johnson and nigel adams respectively , will be held on respectively, will be held on july— respectively, will be held on july the— respectively, will be held on july the 28th.— respectively, will be held on july the 28th. all three britons who— july the 28th. all three britons who thet— july the 28th. all three britons who died after— july the 28th. all three britons who died after a— july the 28th. all three britons who died after a dive boat taught— who died after a dive boat caught the— who died after a dive boat caught fire off— who died after a dive boat caught fire off egypt have been homet— caught fire off egypt have been named stephen— caught fire off egypt have been named stephen hill and paul darling— named stephen hill and paul hottthg wee— named stephen hill and paul darling were taking part in a scutt— darling were taking part in a scuba diving— darling were taking part in a scuba diving lesson when the weeeet— scuba diving lesson when the vessel burst— scuba diving lesson when the vessel burst into— scuba diving lesson when the vessel burst into flames on suhtow — vessel burst into flames on suhtow ht— vessel burst into flames on sunday. it was— vessel burst into flames on sunday. it was announced yesterday— sunday. it was announced yesterday that— sunday. it was announced yesterday that 58 year old chhetho— yesterday that 58 year old christina quinn, who is a chief eecute— christina quinn, who is a chief eecute ot— christina quinn, who is a chief executive of a— christina quinn, who is a chief executive of a hospice in ttwmouth— executive of a hospice in plymouth, was- executive of a hospice in plymouth, was also killed in the the. — plymouth, was also killed in the the. the— plymouth, was also killed in the fire. the mother— plymouth, was also killed in the fire. the mother of— plymouth, was also killed in the fire. the mother of a nine year ott— fire. the mother of a nine year ott how— fire. the mother of a nine year ott tow who— fire. the mother of a nine year old boy who was— fire. the mother of a nine year old boy who was repeatedly teeteh— old boy who was repeatedly teeteh hoe— old boy who was repeatedly beaten has been jailed for 27 wees.— beaten has been jailed for 27 weoe. athe— beaten has been jailed for 27 years. alfie steel— beaten has been jailed for 27 years. alfie steel had 50 touches— years. alfie steel had 50 htuhee oh— years. alfie steel had 50 injuries on his- years. alfie steel had 50 injuries on his body and was touht— injuries on his body and was touht teet— injuries on his body and was found dead in— injuries on his body and was found dead in his home in worcestershire. _ found dead in his home in

worcestershire. carlos scott , worcestershire. carlos scott, his worcestershire. carlos scott, hte chum— worcestershire. carlos scott, hte woe— worcestershire. carlos scott, his mum, was sentenced for child ctuettw— his mum, was sentenced for child ctuettw ont— his mum, was sentenced for child cruelty and manslaughter while her partner,— cruelty and manslaughter while her partner, dirk— cruelty and manslaughter while her partner, dirk howell, has teen— her partner, dirk howell, has been jailed— her partner, dirk howell, has been jailed for— her partner, dirk howell, has been jailed for life with a hhthuh— been jailed for life with a minimum term to serve of 32 wette— minimum term to serve of 32 weote ont— minimum term to serve of 32 weote the o— minimum term to serve of 32 years and a double child killer hoe— years and a double child killer hoe teen— years and a double child killer has been granted— years and a double child killer has been granted parole and will be has been granted parole and will he teteoeet— has been granted parole and will be released from _ has been granted parole and will be released from prison. subject to conditions.— be released from prison. subject to conditions. colin— be released from prison. subject to conditions. colin pitchfork jailed— to conditions. colin pitchfork was jailed for— to conditions. colin pitchfork was jailed for life in 1998 for muttehhe— was jailed for life in 1998 for murdering two— was jailed for life in 1998 for murdering two teenagers. he ettohetet— murdering two teenagers. he ettohgtet ts— murdering two teenagers. he strangled 15 year olds. linda ont— strangled 15 year olds. linda mann and dawn— strangled 15 year olds. linda mann and dawn ashworth in leicestershire_ mann and dawn ashworth in leicestershire in— mann and dawn ashworth in leicestershire in the 80s, the hhtetw— leicestershire in the 80s, the hthtetw ot— leicestershire in the 80s, the ministry of justice plans to ask the hoote— ministry of justice plans to ask the parole board— ministry of justice plans to ask the parole board to reconsider its the parole board to reconsider tte tectetoh— the parole board to reconsider its decision and— the parole board to reconsider its decision and tributes have teen— its decision and tributes have been pouring— its decision and tributes have been pouring in— its decision and tributes have been pouring in today for double eecu— been pouring in today for double eecte winning— been pouring in today for double oscar winning actress and former totout— oscar winning actress and former totout ht— oscar winning actress and former labour mp glenda— oscar winning actress and former labour mp glenda jackson, who has labour mp glenda jackson, who hoe thet— labour mp glenda jackson, who hoe oteo tooow— labour mp glenda jackson, who has died today at— labour mp glenda jackson, who has died today at the age of 87. she— has died today at the age of 87. she theo— has died today at the age of 87. she died peacefully at her home in she died peacefully at her home to tohooh— she died peacefully at her home in london this— she died peacefully at her home in london this morning with her tohttw— in london this morning with her tomttw tw— in london this morning with her family to her— in london this morning with her family by her side. she gave up a family by her side. she gave up o eucceeetut— family by her side. she gave up a successful career— family by her side. she gave up a successful career in acting to join— a successful career in acting to join the — a successful career in acting to join the houee— a successful career in acting to join the house of— a successful career in acting to join the house of commons as an wh— join the house of commons as an ht. she— join the house of commons as an ht. she eeweo— join the house of commons as an mp. she served for— join the house of commons as an mp. she served for 23 years. the torche— mp. she served for 23 years. the former labour— mp. she served for 23 years. the former labour prime minister, tony— former labour prime minister, tohw htotu—

former labour prime minister, tony blair, has— former labour prime minister, tony blair, has described ms tocteoh— tony blair, has described ms tocteoh oe— tony blair, has described ms tocteoh oe o— tony blair, has described ms jackson as a truly formidable woman who will— jackson as a truly formidable woman who will be much missed at ctehoo— woman who will be much missed at ctehoo tocteoh— woman who will be much missed at glenda jackson, who— woman who will be much missed at glenda jackson, who died today . glenda jackson, who died today. voue— glenda jackson, who died today. voue uh— glenda jackson, who died today. vouhe up to— glenda jackson, who died today. you're up to date— glenda jackson, who died today. you're up to date on tv , online, you're up to date on tv, online, hott — you're up to date on tv, online, hott tooto— you're up to date on tv, online, dab+ radio and— you're up to date on tv, online, dab+ radio and the tunein app. thte— dab+ radio and the tunein app. thte te— dab+ radio and the tunein app. thte te ch— dab+ radio and the tunein app. this is gb news.— dab+ radio and the tunein app. this is gb news. back now to hewhe— this is gb news. back now to hewte o— this is gb news. back now to hewte o co— this is gb news. back now to hewte o co .— dewbs& co. " dewbs& co. thanks for that, polly. well yes, i am michelle dewberry right through with you till 7:00 tonight. it's all going on tonight. ladies and gents, because, of course, the bombshell report is out, the one that we've been waiting about 14 months for our of course, it found boris johnson guilty as charged. was anyone really expecting anything else? he is having none of it, of course. he reckons it's a protracted political assassination . an he political assassination. an he says it's tripe and deranged. who's right ? says it's tripe and deranged. who's right? him or them. and wes streeting . he says that the

wes streeting. he says that the rich should be more patriotic and pay more tax. excuse me . and pay more tax. excuse me. since when? as your measure of how patriotic you are, i've got to do with how much tax you pay. thatis to do with how much tax you pay. that is absolute nonsense . if that is absolute nonsense. if you ask me. am i missing something what? i'll tell something or what? and i'll tell you made me happy you something that made me happy today finally today, an energy company finally has been fined for providing absolutely dire customer service. i love it. i want to see more businesses fined. i'm sick and tired now of this new norm where we sit there half an houn norm where we sit there half an hour, an hour on the telephone. and where does that come from? why are we accepting it no more. that's what i say. and something that i am absolutely outrage by today. ladies and gents, some of you might be too. colin pitchfork. remember him? the double child murderer. he is soon going to be out and about on a street near you . why? on a street near you. why? i don't think that should ever , don't think that should ever, ever happen. if you think it is appropriate to go around murdering children, then guess what? you should never see the light of day again. in fact, i would go one step further if i

was in charge of this country, i would bring back the death penalty when it is absolute proven that you have murdered a child. am i wrong? i'm sure you'll have something to say about all of that. well joining me tonight , ladies and gents. me tonight, ladies and gents. right. i me tonight, ladies and gents. right. i do need a little bit of a lay down because you can tell the sun's out because i've got suzanne evans looking nice and summery alongside alongside me. you're a new face to this show, not the channel but very welcome to you, political commentator . to you, political commentator. and the reason i'm saying i need to i need to to lay down, ladies, i need to do if i could get him, if do this. if i could get him, if i could get this fella to stand on table right now, i on this table right now, i absolutely would. can't . for absolutely would. i can't. for various health and safety reasons , don't our reasons, i don't think our insurance would stretch to it. but even describe what's but i can't even describe what's going table . going on under this table. michelle, fake news. there is . michelle, fake news. there is. i'm going to i'm going to try and take a picture. and nobody wohte— and take a picture. and nobody wohte thot— and take a picture. and nobody wants that. michelle— and take a picture. and nobody wants that. michelle do- e�*t: ti and nobody wants that. michelle do you e�*t: ti. and nobody wants that. michelle do you know whote — wants that. michelle do you know whote tt-e— wants that. michelle do you know whote we too— wants that. michelle do you know what? it's tea time.— wants that. michelle do you know what? it's tea time. i'll- wants that. michelle do you know what? . c ii what? it's tea time. i'll zip it. i'll zip it all. i'll say is there's a lot of summer attire going on underneath this table.

i will never be able to unsee it. and at some point, i will try and get a picture and maybe get it onto my social media or something that. anyway, something like that. anyway, kevin craig, the ceo ler, is kevin craig, the ceo of ler, is alongside know drill kevin craig, the ceo of ler, is alcwell. e know drill kevin craig, the ceo of ler, is alcwell. don't know drill kevin craig, the ceo of ler, is alcwell. don't you, know drill kevin craig, the ceo of ler, is alcwell. don't you, ontw drill kevin craig, the ceo of ler, is alcwell. don't you, on this drill as well. don't you, on this show, everyone, it's not just about us. it is very much about you as well. what you guys at home as well. what do you to the goings on of do you make to the goings on of the day, the stories that we will be covering and quite frankly, else on frankly, anything else that's on your touch with me. your mind, get in touch with me. gb views gb .com is my gb views at gb news .com is my email address twitter. if email address or twitter. if that's your thing. gb news. you can reach there. but big day can reach me there. but big day to everybody, we've been to day, everybody, we've been going around in circles about this now months, 14 months this now for months, 14 months to precise. i'm talking, of to be precise. i'm talking, of course, partygate course, about the partygate report that was out today. and of course, you guessed it, boris johnson was found guilty with a big fat g, apparently done loads of stuff wrong. let's have a little look at the key findings of the report . oh, okay. i was of the report. oh, okay. i was going to try and show you them on the screen, but instead i'll read them to you instead.

deliberately misled the parliament. days suspension parliament. 90 days suspension recommends id if was still an recommends id if he was still an mp . apparently. now they want to mp. apparently. now they want to look at taking his former members pass off him. they reckon it's a deliberate attack on the democratic institution . on the democratic institution. and it goes on. it goes on. i was going to read them all out, but there's so many of them, quite frankly. some of the things they think that they say he's done, of course, he's come out and basically said it's tripe. this is a protracted political assassination . it's political assassination. it's rehashing of nonsense rehashing a load of old nonsense . he's having none of it. what do make to it? so what do do you make to it? so what do i make of it? i really can't totowe— make of it? i really can't forgive boris— fl i really can't forgive boris johnson for tocttho— forgive boris johnson for locking the— forgive boris johnson for locking the country down. i con-t— locking the country down. i can't believe _ locking the country down. i can't believe the vast majority of can't believe the vast majority ot the— can't believe the vast majority ot the-ot— can't believe the vast majority of the of commons that of the house of commons that wohteo— of the house of commons that wohteo to— of the house of commons that wanted to-same- of the house of commons that wanted to same thing, wanted to do the same thing, hctutho— wanted to do the same thing, hctuotho. ot— wanted to do the same thing, including, of course, just about everybody— including, of course, just about. ewewhoow—thot including, of course, just about everinvestigating that including, of course, just about everinvestigating boris that including, of course, just about everinvestigating boris johnson.t was investigating boris johnson. so was investigating boris johnson. solthot— was investigating boris johnson. solthat sense,— was investigating boris johnson. so that sense, think this so in that sense, i think this is so in that sense, i think this te—o— so in that sense, i think this te—o tohootoo- so in that sense, i think this. is_a kangaroo court. is very much a kangaroo court. so is very much a kangaroo court. so heuee— is very much a kangaroo court. so because they're— is very much a kangaroo court. so because they're all hwpochtee— so because they're all hypocrites, that's that's what i thht. — hypocrites, that's that's what i thht. who — hypocrites, that's that's what i think. and but— hypocrites, that's that's what i think. and but some of the thhoe— think. and but some of the thhoe thot— think. and but some of the things that they've brought in, i things that they've brought in, t heoh— things that they've brought in, t twtho— things that they've brought in, i mean, trying to— things that they've brought in, i mean, trying to strip him of his parliamentary past when he's

no tohoet— his parliamentary past when he's no tohoet oh— his parliamentary past when he's no longer an mp,— his parliamentary past when he's no longer an mp, that is just wtthot— no longer an mp, that is just vitriol. that's— no longer an mp, that is just vitriol. that's just spite . vitriol. that's just spite. there-e— vitriol. that's just spite. there-e ho— vitriol. that's just spite. there's no doubt about that. and 90 tow— there's no doubt about that. and 90 day suspension— there's no doubt about that. and 90 day suspension that is uhheoto— 90 day suspension that is unheard of.— 90 day suspension that is unheard of. i— 90 day suspension that is unheard of. i had a look back at totttoheht— unheard of. i had a look back at parliament records.— unheard of. i had a look back at parliament records. i got back as parliament records. i got back oe tot— parliament records. i got back oe tot oe— parliament records. i got back as far as 1949.— parliament records. i got back as far as 1949. nobody's been euehehoeo— as far as 1949. nobody's been suspended for— as far as 1949. nobody's been suspended for anything like that oouht— suspended for anything like that oouht ot— suspended for anything like that amount of time.— suspended for anything like that amount of time. the most anyone's been— amount of time. the most anyone's been suspended was 30 towe— anyone's been suspended was 30 towe otouohtw— anyone's been suspended was 30 towe otouohtw tot— anyone's been suspended was 30 days arguably for stuff that's more serious.— days arguably for stuff that's more serious. so— days arguably for stuff that's more serious. so there's a sense , more serious. so there's a sense i , more serious. so there's a sense . t ththh— more serious. so there's a sense . t thht. thot— more serious. so there's a sense , i think, that the— more serious. so there's a sense , i think, that the people who eowho— , i think, that the people who were saying that— , i think, that the people who were saying that the washing were saying that the old washing hochhe— were saying that the old washing machine-yeah,- were saying that the old washing machine -yeah, he - were saying that the old washing machine yeah, he got machine salesman. yeah, he got remember-vaz- machine salesman. yeah, he gotj remember-vazlgive remember him keith vaz to give hth— remember him keith vaz to give hth hte— remember him keith vaz to give him his correct— remember him keith vaz to give him his correct name. ti; him his correct name. he was ptetehutho— him his correct name. he was pretending that he was a washing machine. it was an machine. i think it was an industrial machine industrial washing machine salesman. quite salesman. he was quite precise in for sure. in his antics, that's for sure. anyway so. so can't forgive him. tottwoote— anyway so. so can't forgive him. tottwoote woe— anyway so. so can't forgive him. tottwoote o— ' "g so can't forgive him. partygate was a disaster. how tote— partygate was a disaster. how tote thew— partygate was a disaster. how tote thew ett— partygate was a disaster. how dare they sit there? send police otter— dare they sit there? send police otter ue— dare they sit there? send police after us drones— dare they sit there? send police after us drones to— dare they sit there? send police after us drones to catch wottete— after us drones to catch walkers, cancel our christmas, you— walkers, cancel our christmas, you know. — walkers, cancel our christmas, you know. the— walkers, cancel our christmas, you know, fine kids for playing howho— you know, fine kids for playing having snowball— you know, fine kids for playing having snowball fights. how dare thew— having snowball fights. how dare thew when— having snowball fights. how dare thew wheh thew— having snowball fights. how dare they? when they were sat in howhho— they? when they were sat in downing street _ they? when they were sat in downing street partying? totally twoho — downing street partying? totally wrong. hypocrites. but wrong. absolute hypocrites. but thot— wrong. absolute hypocrites. but thot toeeh-t— wrong. absolute hypocrites. but that doesn't take— wrong. absolute hypocrites. but that doesn't take away from the toct— that doesn't take away from the toct thot— that doesn't take away from the fact that this— that doesn't take away from the fact that this is— that doesn't take away from the fact that this is just spiteful ont— fact that this is just spiteful and vindictive.— fact that this is just spiteful and vindictive. _ fact that this is just spiteful and vindictive. / fact that this is just spiteful and vindictive. “43?" " and vindictive. yeah. this nofion and vindictive. yeah. this notion of kangaroo courts.

right. i'll tell you my problem with it. it won't surprise you, kevin, to know i've got a few problems with it, actually, but i've seven, so i've only got till seven, so i'll summarise my first i'll summarise them. my first point, all be familiar point, we'll all be familiar with hammond, the chair with harriet hammond, the chair of investigation. can't of this investigation. i can't think of walk of life right think of any walk of life right where you can an where you can share an investigation, an into something, someone . if something, into someone. if you've previously tweeted or spoken publicly, slamming and castigating the person that you're supposed to be investigating. so harriet hammond, if you've not seen these, i'm going to just play them on the screen. she was basically tweeting multiple times and saying stuff like, are they going to challenge this? it's not just any old laws, but these are essential to protect even more people getting affected. these were the laws that they've gone on. and broke. so she did the verdict before she was even appointed . and how she was even appointed. and how is that impartial? it's not. well, there's a very worrying ten— well, there's a very worrying teh tehoehcw— well, there's a very worrying ten tendency today to try and hote— ten tendency today to try and make allowances— ten tendency today to try and make allowances for boris tohheoh-e— make allowances for boris

johnson's behaviour. harriet hormon— johnson's behaviour. harriet hohoh te— johnson's behaviour. harriet harman is us,— johnson's behaviour. harriet harman is us, the chair of the cochchttee. — harman is us, the chair of the committee. she— harman is us, the chair of the committee. she was one of a huheh— committee. she was one of a huheh ot— committee. she was one of a number of members. it didn't the hotohtw— number of members. it didn't the hotohtw ot— number of members. it didn't the hotohtw ot the — number of members. it didn't the majority of the committee was a coheewotwe— majority of the committee was a conservative majority . you conservative majority. you cohect— conservative majority. you correct me if— conservative majority. you correct me if i'm wrong, right? so correct me if i'm wrong, right? so he— correct me if i'm wrong, right? so he he— correct me if i'm wrong, right? so it's his own— correct me if i'm wrong, right? so it's his own peers that judge thot— so it's his own peers that judge thot hohe— so it's his own peers that judge that boris deliberately misled the commons— that boris deliberately misled the commons ,_ that boris deliberately misled the commons , has misled the the commons, has misled the cochchttee. — the commons, has misled the committee. he— the commons, has misled the committee. he breached confidence— committee. he breached confidence in- committee. he breached confidence in parliamentary ooeeee ont— confidence in parliamentary processes and procedures and he cohhttoht— processes and procedures and he was compliant and— processes and procedures and he was compliant and he actively euopoheo— was compliant and he actively supported vitriol— was compliant and he actively supported vitriol and abuse thecteo— supported vitriol and abuse directed at— supported vitriol and abuse directed at members of parliament. _ directed at members of parliament. so and harriet homo— parliament. so and harriet homo .— parliament. so and harriet harman , she— parliament. so and harriet harman , she was declared as part harman, she was declared as part of harman, she was declared as part ot the— harman, she was declared as part of the committee— harman, she was declared as part of the committee beforehand and hohe— of the committee beforehand and hohe ohm-t— of the committee beforehand and boris didn't object. _ of the committee beforehand and boris didn't object. and boris eoto— boris didn't object. and boris said everything— boris didn't object. and boris said everything was fine with the hoceee— said everything was fine with the process until— said everything was fine with the process until it found him out to— the process until it found him out to he— the process until it found him out to he o— the process until it found him out to be a scoundrel and a liar . woht— out to be a scoundrel and a liar . ttoht. aho— out to be a scoundrel and a liar . right. and the— out to be a scoundrel and a liar . right. and the families i am more interested— . right. and the families i am more interested in what the tomtttee— more interested in what the tomtttee ot— more interested in what the families of the— more interested in what the families of the bereaved who had to the— families of the bereaved who had to the o— families of the bereaved who had to live a certain— families of the bereaved who had to live a certain way . i believe to live a certain way. i believe it to live a certain way. i believe tt woe— to live a certain way. i believe tt eoeeew— to live a certain way. i believe it was necessary during lockdown . suzanne doesn't— it was necessary during lockdown . suzanne doesn't okay to get the— . suzanne doesn't okay to get thte couhtw— . suzanne doesn't okay to get this country through the covid chete— this country through the covid chete .— this country through the covid chete . aho— this country through the covid crisis . and boris,— this country through the covid crisis . and boris, if there's no crisis. and boris, if there's no tohootoo— crisis. and boris, if there's no kangaroo court,— crisis. and boris, if there's no kangaroo court, if— crisis. and boris, if there's no kangaroo court, if parliament, whtch— kangaroo court, if parliament, whtch hoe— kangaroo court, if parliament, whtch hoe got— kangaroo court, if parliament, which has got a— kangaroo court, if parliament, which has got a tory majority , which has got a tory majority, toeeh-t— which has got a tory majority, toeeh-t the— which has got a tory majority, doesn't like this— which has got a tory majority, doesn't like this vote, it down next— doesn't like this vote, it down next week. — doesn't like this vote, it down

next week. well— doesn't like this vote, it down next week. well he makes a good hotht. — next week. well he makes a good hotht. t— next week. well he makes a good homt. t memo— next week. well he makes a good point. i mean, so— next week. well he makes a good point. i mean, so in— next week. well he makes a good point. " " next week. well he makes a good point. " point. i mean, so in response to this, everybody and it's just not possible. i can't read it all out. he's come back with a response. it's about 16,000 words, but he pulls out, you know, so many different aspects . and one of the things it makes me chuckle he's saying me chuckle is he's saying basically that at 21:58 pm, there , they say in this report there, they say in this report that boris johnson saw an event going on and he kind of goes on and he says, how do they know what i saw? what retinal impressions have they somehow discovered that are completely unavailable to me? he asks. and he's got a point. unavailable to me? he asks. and he's got a point . how do they he's got a point. how do they know what he saw? you don't, but it's correct me if i'm wrong, michel. it's 108 it's correct me if i'm wrong, michel. it's108 plus pages. the— michel. it's108 plus pages. thte tepoh— michel. it's108 plus pages. thte teooh tt— michel. it's108 plus pages. this report it is.— it: ii it's 108 plus pages. this report it is. you've just outteo— this report it is. you've just putteo out— this report it is. you've just pulled out one— this report it is. you've just pulled out one quote out which thow— pulled out one quote out which thow thot-e— pulled out one quote out which thow thot-e o— pulled out one quote out which know that's a quote from him. mot-e— know that's a quote from him. thot-e he— know that's a quote from him. that's his response. his- know that's a quote from him. " his his that's his response. his his response, what— that's his response. his his response, what he's- " his his response, what he's doing. and hee— response, what he's doing. and he-e hot— response, what he's doing. and me not the— response, what he's doing. and he's not the only— response, what he's doing. and he's not the only one. jacob teee—hooo— he's not the only one. jacob tteee—hooo hoe— he's not the only one. jacob rees—mogg has been at. it is thtowtmo— rees—mogg has been at. it is thtowho out— rees—mogg has been at. it is throwing out all— rees—mogg has been at. it is throwing out all this noise to detect— throwing out all this noise to detect .— throwing out all this noise to deflect . what's— throwing out all this noise to deflect . what's what's important deflect. what's what's important ohout— deflect. what's what's important

otout the— deflect. what's what's important about this report— deflect. what's what's important about this report is honesty and outttc— about this report is honesty and outttc the— about this report is honesty and putttc ttte .— about this report is honesty and public life . mc— about this report is honesty and public life . btec and one public life. btec and one eeoo — public life. btec and one eeoo t— public life. btec and one second. i won't- public life. btec and one second. i won't interrupt you. i woht— second. i won't interrupt you. i won't interrupt— second. i won't interrupt you. i won't interrupt you. he's homeetw— won't interrupt you. he's hoheetw m— won't interrupt you. he's honesty in public life, in the chomhet— honesty in public life, in the chomhet ot— honesty in public life, in the chamber of the— honesty in public life, in the chamber of the house of commons. whether— chamber of the house of commons. whether wouhe — chamber of the house of commons. whether wouhe o— chamber of the house of commons. whether you're a tory labour , whether you're a tory labour, lib whether you're a tory labour, ht hem.— whether you're a tory labour, ht hem. sht— whether you're a tory labour, lib dem, snp don't lie , but it lib dem, snp don't lie, but it was a predetermined outcome . was a predetermined outcome. the— was a predetermined outcome. the te— was a predetermined outcome. the to hw— was a predetermined outcome. the he m, octet.— was a predetermined outcome. this is my point. no,- was a predetermined outcome. this is my point. no, it- was a predetermined outcome. this is my point. no, it wasn't. of course it was. no it wasn't. i've just put it up on my screen. i've just started reading about harriet harman believed that he was guilty before she took job of a 14 before she took the job of a 14 month report process. no. month report process. no, no. she politicians had on that she all politicians had on that commhtee— she all politicians had on that committee have— she all politicians had on that committee have got pre ptehouetw— committee have got pre previously expressed in previously expressed views in hothtce. — previously expressed views in hothtce. -h-e— previously expressed views in politics. -it's a - previously expressed views in politics. it's a quasi politics. it's a it's a quasi tuotctot— politics. it's a it's a quasi judicial process. they brought in judicial process. they brought th exto— judicial process. they brought in extra reinforcements from outetoe— in extra reinforcements from outside respected legal figures. who— outside respected legal figures. who whot-e— outside respected legal figures. and what's going— outside respected legal figures. and what's going on now, which is and what's going on now, which he who— and what's going on now, which he why angela— and what's going on now, which is why angela rayner is right to tott— is why angela rayner is right to tott otout— is why angela rayner is right to talk about johnson as a poundland_ talk about johnson as a poundland .— talk about johnson as a poundland . trump is an attempt poundland. trump is an attempt to ttecteth— poundland. trump is an attempt to ttecteth o— poundland. trump is an attempt to discredit a process which is opottttcot— to discredit a process which is apolitical because it's tory, he— apolitical because it's tory, it's conservative _ apolitical because it's tory, it's conservative mps trying to tectotm — it's conservative mps trying to reclaim honesty— it's conservative mps trying to reclaim honesty for their party. otow — reclaim honesty for their party. otow eo— reclaim honesty for their party. otow eo h— reclaim honesty for their party. okay, so if labour— reclaim honesty for their party. okay, so if labour mps- reclaim honesty for their party. okay, so if labour mps like angela rayner are trying to stand up for democracy and

honesty , what did she say today? honesty, what did she say today? she said that boris johnson should never have been prime minister. ridiculous minister. what a ridiculous thing . boris johnson had thing to say. boris johnson had one of the largest majorities. we've in the history we've ever seen in the history of in this country. he of politics in this country. he had universal support of the had the universal support of the electorate, is how electorate, which is how he became prime minister in the first against the odds and first place against the odds and in a very fair campaign to say something like that. i'm sorry. she's the one that looks like a pound shop idiot. no, she isn't. she's what like she's that's what she looks like by saying something so ludicrous. she ludicrous. well, what does she say? he should never been say? he should never have been hhme— say? he should never have been hhme-she-e— say? he should never have been prime -she's not. - prime minister. she's not. hotoow— prime minister. she's not.- wotoow—wom toh nobody would dispute he won fair and nobody would dispute he won fair omo oeue— nobody would dispute he won fair omo oeue a— nobody would dispute he won fair and square. a mandate from this. wett— and square. a mandate from this. well,-shouldn't- and square. a mandate from this. well,-shouldn't have- well, then she shouldn't have said should never said that. he should never have been. shown to be been. he's been shown to be unth— been. he's been shown to be uhth tw— been. he's been shown to be uhth to he— been. he's been shown to be unfit by his own— " he's been shown to be unfit by his own actions. �*ftt�*tzigl unfit by his own actions. well, so unfit by his own actions. well, eo howe— unfit by his own actions. well, so have several— unfit by his own actions. well, so have several labour mps. no, no, no. stay point, blair. no, no. stay on point, blair. stay. no no, stay on point, boris. johnson . boris. boris. boris johnson. wett— boris. boris. boris johnson. wett tuthho— borisjohnson. well, turning around the country hom— well, turning around the country ttom oecotee— well, turning around the country from decades of— well, turning around the country from decades of tory failure, i'd from decades of tory failure, to otoue— from decades of tory failure, to otoue ue— from decades of tory failure, i'd argue us into— from decades of tory failure, i'd argue us into a failed war. hot-e— i'd argue us into a failed war. that's absolute— i'd argue us into a failed war. that's absolute off. no,- i'd argue us into a failed war. no, let's that's absolute off. no, let's keep it on. boris— that's absolute off. no, let's keep it on. boris we'll- no, let's keep it on. boris we'll do. wett— keep it on. boris we'll do. wet to. — keep it on. boris we'll do. we'll do. we'll— keep it on. boris we'll do. we'll do. we'll do tony if you wont. — we'll do. we'll do tony if you wont. hut— we'll do. we'll do tony if you want. but basically . boris want. but basically. boris tohheom— want. but basically. boris

johnson. what? angela said was he woe— johnson. what? angela said was he hee— johnson. what? angela said was he was he's been— johnson. what? angela said was he was he's been shown . he's let he was he's been shown. he's let peohte— he was he's been shown. he's let peopte towm — he was he's been shown. he's let people down. even— he was he's been shown. he's let people down. even his own son, tow— people down. even his own son, tow the— people down. even his own son, tow the oe— people down. even his own son, tory mps are more— people down. even his own son, tory mps are more upset about the— tory mps are more upset about thte thon— tory mps are more upset about this than some— tory mps are more upset about this than some labour mps is tet-e— this than some labour mps is the toot— this than some labour mps is the toot ot— this than some labour mps is let's look at this— this than some labour mps is let's look at this whole because ot— let's look at this whole because ot the— let's look at this whole because one of the things— let's look at this whole because one of the things when you read ot— one of the things when you read ot the— one of the things when you read some of this, i— one of the things when you read some of this, i think first and totemoet— some of this, i think first and totemoet. t— some of this, i think first and foremost, i feel— some of this, i think first and foremost, i feel very disappointed about absolute disappointed about the absolute etote— disappointed about the absolute etote ot— disappointed about the absolute state of politics— disappointed about the absolute state of politics in— disappointed about the absolute state of politics in this country— state of politics in this country because i feel little country because i feel a little bit country because i feel a little ht the— country because i feel a little ht the t-m— country because i feel a little bit like i'm watching my child howe— bit like i'm watching my child hove o— bit like i'm watching my child hove o ht— bit like i'm watching my child hove o ht ot— bit like i'm watching my child have a bit of a— bit like i'm watching my child have a bit of a fallout with peopte— have a bit of a fallout with peopte h— have a bit of a fallout with peopte th the— have a bit of a fallout with people in the nursery playground heuee— people in the nursery playground heuee tot— people in the nursery playground because for one— people in the nursery playground because for one minute it was ooho— because for one minute it was ooho-o— because for one minute it was ooho-o ten— because for one minute it was ooho-o teh tow- because for one minute it was going a ten day suspension going to be a ten day suspension . hut— going to be a ten day suspension . hut then— going to be a ten day suspension . but then because— going to be a ten day suspension . but then because he- going to be a ten day suspensioni . but then because he-some . but then because he said some mean about the process, mean things about the process, then were going to then they were going to recommend day suspension. recommend a 90 day suspension. he anybody. he doesn't respect anybody. michel . i wouldn't i wouldn't michel. i wouldn't i wouldn't respect someone that was investigating respect someone that was investig declared me respect someone that was investigdeclared me guilty. it's already declared me guilty. it's not just harriet harman, is it? is bernard he the is it bernard jenkin? is he the the— is it bernard jenkin? is he the same the other— is it bernard jenkin? is he the same the other tory? : same the other tory? that leads me nicely jenkins, me nicely onto ben jenkins, because allegation, of because now the allegation, of course, come out he was course, has come out that he was at a party for his bet. this one was wife's birthday. was for his wife's birthday. apparently everybody now they're saying they want the police saying that they want the police involved that, as though the involved in that, as though the police have nothing else police have got nothing else better with their time. better to do with their time.

this you can't this whole kind of you can't have your pass anymore. they're going voting on monday, of going to be voting on monday, of course, is course, which, by the way, is bofis course, which, by the way, is boris johnson's on boris johnson's birthday on monday . but that's when there's monday. but that's when there's a vote to look at some of a free vote to look at some of this now they're kind this stuff. but now they're kind of going take of saying, we're going to take your you so you can't your pass off you so you can't come it's like, shut come back in. it's like, shut up. old are you all? no, up. how old are you all? no, it's disrespects l. titt: 7 no, it's disrespects parliament. i t— it's disrespects parliament. i mean, i think— it's disrespects parliament. i mean, i think broadly people are so mean, i think broadly people are eo theo— mean, i think broadly people are eo theo ohe— mean, i think broadly people are so tired and all— mean, i think broadly people are so tired and all the names woue— so tired and all the names you've mentioned there, bernard, you've mentioned there, bernard, you—thet- you've mentioned there, bernard, you—thee oti you know, people are so tired of a you know, people are so tired of o—htttctet- you know, people are so tired of a_inflicted soap. a conservative inflicted soap oheto— a conservative inflicted soap oheto oh— a conservative inflicted soap oheto oh the— a conservative inflicted soap opera on this country. we're theo— opera on this country. we're theo ot— opera on this country. we're theo ot h. — opera on this country. we're tired of it. but— opera on this country. we're tired of it. but do- opera on this country. we're tired of it. t:tit tired of it. but do you think it's a tory inflicted soap opera or is it actually people that cannot bear the fact that actually some of the acas in society stepped up? a lot of them turned out actually to vote in the last election when they didn't previously because they're connected to and resonated with boris johnson. i'm annoyed they didn't like that. should be listened that. aukus should be listened to. yeah, but they didn't like hot — to. yeah, but they didn't like hot hot— to. yeah, but they didn't like that. and from _ to. yeah, but they didn't like that. and from the- yeah, but they didn't like that. t: chin that. and from the day that bofis that. and from the day that boris johnson crossed that threshold, having threshold, they were having none of well, big fat of it. also as well, the big fat b—word. not mentioned that b—word. we've not mentioned that one. because some

b—word. we've not mentioned that one. argue because some b—word. we've not mentioned that one. argue thatacause some b—word. we've not mentioned that one. argue that thisse some b—word. we've not mentioned that one. argue that thisse sotyou would argue that this was, you know, whole conspira theory to know, a whole conspira theory to try get boris out of the try and get boris out of the door so that he could try, suzanne and reverse brexit. well, i'm not sure i agree with hot.— well, i'm not sure i agree with hot aho— well, i'm not sure i agree with that. and obviously, somebody the— that. and obviously, somebody like bernard— that. and obviously, somebody like bernard jenkins was very much— like bernard jenkins was very much-favour— like bernard jenkins was very much favour brexit. so much in favour of brexit. so i ooh-t— much in favour of brexit. so i ooh-t thht— much in favour of brexit. so i don't think you— much in favour of brexit. so i don't think you can certainly lay don't think you can certainly tow thot— don't think you can certainly lay thot ot— don't think you can certainly lay that at his— don't think you can certainly lay that at his door. but for me it lay that at his door. but for me hloooth— lay that at his door. but for me ttloooth t— lay that at his door. but for me itlagain, i think— lay that at his door. but for me itlagain, i think in- lay that at his door. but for me it again, i think in part it is again, i think in part a cohttmueo— it is again, i think in part a continued brexit argument. there is continued brexit argument. there teltoutt— continued brexit argument. there teltoutt the— continued brexit argument. there is doubt the labour party is no doubt the labour party oheotute— is no doubt the labour party absolute hates— is no doubt the labour party absolute hates boris. is absolute hates boris. he is ewewththo— absolute hates boris. he is ewewthho thew— absolute hates boris. he is everything they hate. he is a eucceeetut— everything they hate. he is a eucceeetut .— everything they hate. he is a successful , well—educated, successful, well—educated, othoteh— successful, well—educated, privately educated man who has enormous what's— privately educated man who has enormous what's he been success when— enormous what's he been success when he— enormous what's he been success when he woe— enormous what's he been success when he o— enormous what's he been success when he was a successful toumottete— when he was a successful journalist? he's- when he was a successful journalist? he's a successful outhot— journalist? he's a successful outhot .— journalist? he's a successful outhot. he-e— journalist? he's a successful author. he's been very successful. _ author. he's been very successful. - author. he's been very successful. t he he author. he's been very— successful. quotes . he he became successful. quotes. he he became hhme— successful. quotes. he he became hhme thhetet— successful. quotes. he he became prime minister you _ successful. t he he became prime minister you cannot say someone who doesn't who becomes lying— someone who doesn't who becomes the ohout— someone who doesn't who becomes the otout hte— someone who doesn't who becomes lying about his personal life by thchoet— lying about his personal life by michael howard— lying about his personal life by michael howard is not successful. _ michael howard is not successful. he's not. well, i'll tett— successful. he's not. well, i'll tett wou— successful. he's not. well, i'll tett you whot— successful. he's not. well, i'll tell you what, it— successful. he's not. well, i'll tell you what, it was from us ohe— tell you what, it was from us omo t— tell you what, it was from us omo t het— tell you what, it was from us omo t bet he— tell you what, it was from us and i bet he makes the labour tohw-e— and i bet he makes the labour hohw-e thee— and i bet he makes the labour party's knee shake because what he woe— party's knee shake because what he was successful— party's knee shake because what he was successful at is cohwehtmo— he was successful at is converting people that were hehouetw— converting people that were previously absolutely in bed whh— previously absolutely in bed with labour. _ previously absolutely in bed with labour. he-

previously absolutely in bed with labour. tzi; ”ti: previously absolutely in bed with labour. tzi; : with labour. he turned them into tories. i mean , people, people tories. i mean, people, people like that. i know in hull and place that vote tory, i would never have said that they would have done that and it wasn't tory that they were voting, it was boris johnson and boris. bofis was boris johnson and boris. boris johnson. important to say , won an election— boris johnson. important to say , won an election fair and oeue — , won an election fair and oeue t— , won an election fair and oeue t eott— , won an election fair and square. i said ,- , won an election fair and square. i said , has he been a square. i said, has he been a eucceeetut— square. i said, has he been a successful prime— square. i said, has he been a successful prime minister no. aho— successful prime minister no. who toee— successful prime minister no. who toee he— successful prime minister no. and does he make labour's knee ehotee— and does he make labour's knee ehotee wett— and does he make labour's knee shake? well, if— and does he make labour's knee shake? well, if i— and does he make labour's knee shake? well, if i if— and does he make labour's knee shake? well, if i if i— and does he make labour's knee shake? well, if i if i read that oueettoh— shake? well, if i if i read that oueettoh h— shake? well, if i if i read that question in the— shake? well, if i if i read that question in the way that you h.— question in the way that you h. t— question in the way that you h. t he— question in the way that you mean it, i he he— question in the way that you mean it, i he he is a good communicator.— mean it, i he he is a good communicator. i- mean it, i he he is a good communicator. i will say that the— communicator. i will say that the totout— communicator. i will say that the labour party,— communicator. i will say that the labour party, which i'm a thetoho— the labour party, which i'm a lifelong supporter of, did not help— lifelong supporter of, did not help ourselves— lifelong supporter of, did not help ourselves with our leader at help ourselves with our leader ot the— help ourselves with our leader ot the toet— help ourselves with our leader at the last election, jeremy cohwm — at the last election, jeremy cohwm so — at the last election, jeremy corbyn. so boris- at the last election, jeremy corbyn. so boris was lucky, but his corbyn. so boris was lucky, but hte-out.— corbyn. so boris was lucky, but hte-out. happy- his luck's run out. happy thhhoow— his luck's run out. happy birthday mate. his luck's run out. happy- birthdayimate. -well, we birthday, mate. yeah, well, we shall see. we shall see. i want your thoughts on this. what do your thoughts on this. what do you make to it all? do you agree with boris johnson when he basically says this is a long winded assassination winded political assassination or think actually is or do you just think actually is time come? been done time has come? he's been done fair and square? and what do you make to this whole punishment, do you reckon, the way, why do you reckon, by the way, why do you reckon, by the way, why do even have pass to the

do you even have a pass to the parliamentary estate if you're not mp anymore? you not an mp anymore? can you imagine? i don't know you, not an mp anymore? can you ima do e? i don't know you, not an mp anymore? can you ima do you don't know you, not an mp anymore? can you ima do you leave know you, not an mp anymore? can you ima do you leave your you, not an mp anymore? can you ima do you leave your old you, not an mp anymore? can you ima do you leave your old job ou, but do you leave your old job and still go hanging around and then still go hanging around the canteen? i was the staff canteen? if i was doing that, if i fired or doing that, if i got fired or left from and i was hanging left from here and i was hanging around, heir around, i'd expect either heir to be regarded as a bit weird or be to be turfed back out again. why they that in the why do they have that in the first your thoughts on first place? your thoughts on all when i come back. all of that when i come back. a lot coming up your way, kid. if you a children should you you made a children should you ever be allowed to walk free in society? absolutely not. society? i absolutely say not. colin pitchfork want talk society? i absolutely say not. colin ihim. ork want talk society? i absolutely say not. colin ihim. irk want talk society? i absolutely say not. colin ihim. i also /ant talk society? i absolutely say not. colin ihim. i also want talk society? i absolutely say not. colin ihim. i also want to alk society? i absolutely say not. colin ihim. i also want to talk about him. i also want to talk about him. i also want to talk about companies. should they be fined if they provide you, me and rest of us with poor and the rest of us with poor service? i say yes

very hard to see how he would it a very hard to see how he would it o tw—etecttom— very hard to see how he would it a by—election. you're listening to .— a by—election. you're listening to . ch— a by—election. you're listening to . ch hewe. — a by—election. you're listening to . gb news. sti;iti; i'm to. gb news. hello there. i'm thchette— to. gb news. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry— to. gb news. sti;iti; i'm michelle dewberry with you till hoo— michelle dewberry with you till hoo toheht. — michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, some— 7:00 tonight. alongside me, suzanne evans,— 7:00 tonight. alongside me, suzanne evans, the political commentator. _ suzanne evans, the political commentator. i'm kevin craig, the— commentator. i'm kevin craig, the communications . as the ceo of communications. as the— the ceo of communications. as the omoweo— the ceo of communications. as i've annoyed myself during that tweoh— i've annoyed myself during that break, everyone,— i've annoyed myself during that break, everyone, because i etoheo— break, everyone, because i started thinking then about, you

know.— started thinking then about, you know, we're talking about boris tohmeoh—hte- johnson perhaps losing his parliamentary— johnson perhaps losing his parliamentary state pass. and then— parliamentary state pass. and then t— parliamentary state pass. and then t woe— parliamentary state pass. and then i was thinking , actually, then i was thinking, actually, why— then i was thinking, actually, whw te— then i was thinking, actually, why he thot— then i was thinking, actually, why is that even— then i was thinking, actually, why is that even a thing? why are why is that even a thing? why wou— why is that even a thing? why you ont— why is that even a thing? why are you and me— why is that even a thing? why are you and me and all of the teet— are you and me and all of the teet ot— are you and me and all of the teet ot ue— are you and me and all of the rest of us taxpayers is subsidising- rest of us taxpayers is subsidising people to go into the parliamentary estate and eat and the parliamentary estate and eat one ohm.— the parliamentary estate and eat and drink, subsidise us food? aho— and drink, subsidise us food? who t— and drink, subsidise us food? who t hoo— and drink, subsidise us food? who t hoo o— and drink, subsidise us food? and i had a look— and drink, subsidise us food? and i had a look because i was tuet— and i had a look because i was tuet thhhhtt— and i had a look because i was tuet thhhhe. t— and i had a look because i was just thinking, i wonder how many of just thinking, i wonder how many ot theee— just thinking, i wonder how many of these things— just thinking, i wonder how many of these things there are. i've etoheo— of these things there are. i've started scrolling— of these things there are. i've started scrolling and there are toote— started scrolling and there are toooe. vou— started scrolling and there are loads. you want— started scrolling and there are loads. you want to see the list? t-m — loads. you want to see the list? t-m going— loads. you want to see the list? t-m going to— loads. you want to see the list? t-m going to th— loads. you want to see the list? i'm going to try and get a howe— i'm going to try and get a figure before— i'm going to try and get a figure before the end of the hootomme— figure before the end of the programme because it's really omoweo—o- programme because it's reallyi annoyed—a thing? annoyed me. why is it a thing? why— annoyed me. why is it a thing? why-thew— annoyed me. why is it a thing? why-thew etttt- annoyed me. why is it a thing? why -they still-to. why should they still get to cohthue— why should they still get to continue that— why should they still get to continue that access paid for by why should they still get to con'likes that access paid for by why should they still get to con'likes of at access paid for by why should they still get to con'likes of me:cess paid for by why should they still get to con'likes of me and. paid for by why should they still get to con'likes of me and you? for by why should they still get to con'likes of me and you? and)y the likes of me and you? and epeohho— the likes of me and you? and eheohho ot— the likes of me and you? and speaking of paying for stuff, ewehhoow— speaking of paying for stuff, everybody, think everybody, do you think that hch— everybody, do you think that hch peopte— everybody, do you think that rich people should do and this is rich people should do and this telohect— rich people should do and this isldirect quote,— rich people should do and this is direct quote, their is a direct quote, do their pothottc— is a direct quote, do their patriotic duty— is a direct quote, do their. patriotic duty-more is a direct quote, do their- patriotic duty-more tax? patriotic duty and pay more tax? the— patriotic duty and pay more tax? the ehooow— patriotic duty and pay more tax? the shadow health secretary, wes stetho— the shadow health secretary, wes streetho. he— the shadow health secretary, wes streeting, he says— the shadow health secretary, wes streeting, he says that high net wohh— streeting, he says that high net wohh ehoutt— streeting, he says that high net worth should basically stop trying— worth should basically stop the to— worth should basically stop thho to tho— worth should basically stop trying to find clever accounting thcte— trying to find clever accounting thcte ont— trying to find clever accounting tricks and contribute basically to hot— tricks and contribute basically to real improvements in public eehtcee— to real improvements in public eehtcee .— to real improvements in public eehtcee . he.— to real improvements in public services . liz. suzanne, you used services. liz. suzanne, you used to he— services. liz. suzanne, you used

to he hwohet— services. liz. suzanne, you used to be involved in— services. liz. suzanne, you used to be involved in ukip, the utttmote— to be involved in ukip, the ultimate patriot. some would eh.— ultimate patriot. some would eow. ho— ultimate patriot. some would eow. to you— ultimate patriot. some would say. do you think— ultimate patriot. some would say. do you think how patriotic vou— say. do you think how patriotic wou oe— say. do you think how patriotic wou te— say. do you think how patriotic you are is linked— say. do you think how patriotic you are is linked to how much tax you are is linked to how much too you— you are is linked to how much too you pay?— you are is linked to how much too you how t— you are is linked to how much tax you pay? i think it's nonsense. of- tax you pay? i think it's nonsense. of course it is. e nonsense. of course it is. it's oteotute— nonsense. of course it is. it's absolute nonsense. i mean, are we saying that people who are on government benefits and don't pay any government benefits and don't pay any or people who are on pay any tax or people who are on minimum pay minimum minimum wage and pay minimum tax, saying they're not tax, are we saying they're not patriotic, absolute tosh, i'm afraid absolutely afraid this is absolutely typical wes streeting comments of socialist hatred of the kind of socialist hatred of the kind of socialist hatred of the kind of socialist hatred of the rich and let's not forget fact for you, the top 1% of all people , taxpayers, the highest people, taxpayers, the highest 1% who pay the highest taxes pay 28.9. they do the entire tax take. so that's nearly a third. and i think it's i think it's i think they pay it. i think the top 1% think they pay it. i think the too the pay— think they pay it. i think the top % pay 28%_ think they pay it. i think the top 1% pay 28% of- think they pay it. i think the top 1% pay 28% of all- e i think the top 1% pay 28% of all of the totot— top 1% pay 28% of all of the total income— top 1% pay 28% of all of the total income total income. i ooh-t— total income total income. i ooh-t thht— total income total income. i don't think it's— total income total income. i don't think it's the whole tax tote. — don't think it's the whole tax tote. t— don't think it's the whole tax take. i think— don't think it's the whole tax take. i think it's— don't think it's the whole tax take. i think it's the whole tax tote. — take. i think it's the whole tax tote. hut— take. i think it's the whole tax tote. hut ot— take. i think it's the whole tax take. but of course,- take. i think it's the whole tax take. e ti.tit. e�*eui�* take. but of course, arguably the wealthiest people in society are also paying more in indirect taxes not taxes like vat. they might not be paying relative to their be paying as relative to their income, terms actual

income, but in terms of actual monetary funding for monetary monetary funding for the paying the government, they're paying more vat than the rest of us because spending more because they're spending more than got that because they're spending more than spending got that because they're spending more than spending power got that because they're spending more than spending power to got that because they're spending more than spending power to say that extra spending power to say that they're going to have to pay more tax patriotic is more tax to be patriotic is utter all we'll end up utter nonsense. all we'll end up doing we continue to overtax doing if we continue to overtax people is the very wealthiest in society , will leave the country, society, will leave the country, move their tax affairs somewhere else because they can afford to do it. well, i hope you don't mho— do it. well, i hope you don't meet me— do it. well, i hope you don't mind me saying— titit . well, i hope you don't mind me saying you're quite a weotthw— mind me saying you're quite a weotthw moh— mind me saying you're quite a weotthw o— mind me saying you're quite a wealthy man, a very successful eett—mote— wealthy man, a very successful self—made man— wealthy man, a very successful self—made man on this panel is wealthy man, a very successful self 5g iade man on this panel is wealthy man, a very successful self 5g 5 man on this panel is wealthy man, a very successful self 5g i g 1is panel is wealthy man, a very successful self i 3 “7l is 1. by my reckoning. really? yeah. yeah. i'm definitely not. vou— yeah. yeah. i'm definitely not. you toot— yeah. yeah. i'm definitely not. you look at it. institute for fiscal studies website. look it up. put your household income in what? do you know where i live? wett— what? do you know where i live? wett octuoth. — what? do you know where i live? well actually. well,— 7 do you know where i live? well actually. well, we'll go wett— well actually. well, we'll go we-tt ome— well actually. well, we'll go we'll come on— well actually. well, we'll go we'll come on to— well actually. well, we'll go we'll come on to that in the tweot. — we'll come on to that in the tweot. -wou- we'll come on to that in the break. -you think,l break. what do you think, though?— break. what do you think, though?.this- break. what do you think, though? this notion bring it though? so this notion bring it hock.— though? so this notion bring it hoct. so— though? so this notion bring it back. so first— though? so this notion bring it back. so first-all,- though? so this notion bring it back. so first all, two back. so first of all, two oueettohe. — back. so first of all, two questions. -is- back. so first of all, two questions. is how back. so first of all, two- questions.-is how patriotic questions. what is how patriotic you questions. what is how patriotic wou oe— questions. what is how patriotic wou t— questions. what is how patriotic you t got— questions. what is how patriotic you t got to— questions. what is how patriotic you are? i got to do with how much— you are? i got to do with how much-wou— you are? i got to do with how much .you .okay . you are? i got to do with how much you okay you are? i got to do with how- much .you .okay so i grew much tax you pay. okay so i grew up he— much tax you pay. okay so i grew up to poverty— much tax you pay. okay so i grew up in poverty and i don't live in poverty anymore . right. but in poverty anymore. right. but what i do know is about the modern labour party in wes streeting . i'll put that back at

streeting. i'll put that back at you, suzanne, to say that he or labour now is anti wealth or anti aspiration . and i think anti aspiration. and i think that's the nonsense, not how you characterised his views . and i characterised his views. and i think it is there is an element of he's not excluding people who don't pay lots of tax from being patriotic. what he's making a really good point which i think is that it is patriotic . if you is that it is patriotic. if you become wealthy in this country and you don't not choose to go down the non—dom offshore route and you think to yourself, well, actually still there are many other countries where people pay more tax. and look at this country. look what i've got relatively low corruption, rule of law, a fantastic parliamentary democracy , great parliamentary democracy, great state education in so many other things that it is patriotic to not move your affairs offshore when you get minted. yes and do you think that the— when you get minted. yes and do you think that the wealthy- you think that the wealthy ehoutt— you think that the wealthy ehouto how— you think that the wealthy should pay more? voice ll should pay more? well, you'll hoot— should pay more? well, you'll heot o— should pay more? well, you'll hear a statement a lot from keir

starmer and wes streeting, which is that those with the broadest shoulders right . so what that shoulders right. so what that means broadly is if you look at the state of our country today , the state of our country today, how do we think it's going right ? is it well funded enough ? our ? is it well funded enough? our pubucis ? is it well funded enough? our public is great. is the environment super and do we need to look, you know, without killing aspiration? because i'm pro you might some might not like this, suzanne, but the modern labour party is pro business, pro aspiration . that's business, pro aspiration. that's why a guy like i can't remember his name, south african gary who's family autoglass you get your windscreen broken in cars. he's recently donated £5 million of his money to the labour party. he's not an idiot. he thinks that we need strong business. i'm going to. i don't want to get myself— business. i'm going to. i don't want to get myself into- gtit g i don't want to get myself into legal hotehote. — want to get myself into legal hotehote. eo— want to get myself into legal hotspots. so let— want to get myself into legal hotspots. so let me press pause on hotspots. so let me press pause oh outo— hotspots. so let me press pause oh outo etoee— hotspots. so let me press pause on auto glass, whatever it is. who— on auto glass, whatever it is. who t-m— on auto glass, whatever it is. who t-m going— on auto glass, whatever it is. and i'm going to— on auto glass, whatever it is. and i'm going to make this a hoot— and i'm going to make this a broad question.— and i'm going to make this a broad question. good customer ehehece— broad question. good customer ehehehce- - broad question. good customer experience- do- broad question. good customer experience- do you. broad question. good customer- experience- do you when experience of them. do you when i about, oh, well , such and i hear about, oh, well, such and such a business person, obviously thinks labour obviously thinks that labour party amazing that they

party is so amazing that they have donations and this is have made donations and this is a general point i'm making. i don't feel that sentiment when i heot— don't feel that sentiment when i heot thot. — don't feel that sentiment when i hear that. what— don't feel that sentiment when i hear that. what i— don't feel that sentiment when i hear that. what i feel is, well, euch— hear that. what i feel is, well, euch ont— hear that. what i feel is, well, such and such— hear that. what i feel is, well, such and such businessman is such and such a businessman is toetcoth— such and such a businessman is basically hedging— such and such a businessman is basically hedging his bets and he eeto— basically hedging his bets and he reckons that— basically hedging his bets and he reckons that there's a strong choce— he reckons that there's a strong hoe thot— he reckons that there's a strong chance that labour party will be the next— chance that labour party will be the next government. so he's thho— the next government. so he's thee to— the next government. so he's the to cutth— the next government. so he's trying to curry favour with them. — trying to curry favour with them. t— trying to curry favour with them. i never- trying to curry favour with them. “it: trying to curry favour with them. i never had you cynical them. i never had you as cynical . i never you as cynical. i . i never had you as cynical. i mean. well, there's a new day for mean. well, there's a new day tot— — mean. well, there's a new day tot— tm— mean. well, there's a new day for_ i'm surprised,| for everything. i'm surprised, i must admit. must admit, i'm must admit. i must admit, i'm kind of, in one sense, inclined to agree with you because i actually don't think either conservatives or labour are terribly the terribly pro—business at the moment . we've had the moment. we've just had the conservatives increase corporation tax to 25. absolutely ludicrous way to shoot the country in the foot. i was reading some statistics about ireland. you know, in ireland, the rate of corporation tax is 12.5, 50% of ireland's corporation tax intake comes from just ten us corporations who funnel their money through dubun who funnel their money through dublin purely to avoid us taxes. but that means that ireland is now running a budget surplus and

they're setting up a sovereign wealth fund next year to support the irish community. that's what low taxes do for you. high taxes . all they do is just encourage people to move away. we've been out and people to move away. we've been out one ohout— people to move away. we've been out and about asking— people to move away. we've been out and about asking you,- we've been out and about asking you, good tott— out and about asking you, good folk, whether— out and about asking you, good folk, whether or— out and about asking you, good folk, whether or not you think the hch — folk, whether or not you think the rich should— folk, whether or not you think the rich should pay more. let's howe— the rich should pay more. let's hoye o— the rich should pay more. let's have a listen.— the rich should pay more. let's have a listen. absolutely. well why— have a listen. absolutely. well why why— have a listen. absolutely. well why why te— have a listen. absolutely. well why why he h— have a listen. absolutely. well why why is it that— have a listen. absolutely. well why why is it that the poor peopte— why why is it that the poor peopte howe— why why is it that the poor people have to— why why is it that the poor people have to be paying all theee— people have to be paying all theee toxee— people have to be paying all these taxes all— people have to be paying all these taxes all the time? �*" these taxes all the time? if you-te— these taxes all the time? if wouhe hch— these taxes all the time? if you-re hch 90— these taxes all the time? if you're rich, go somewhere better ? no, you're rich, go somewhere better ? n0,i you're rich, go somewhere better ? no, i don't think so. i don't throt— ? no, i don't think so. i don't thht eo— ? no, i don't think so. i don't thht t— ? no, i don't think so. i don't think so. i mean,— 7’ no, i don't think so. i don't think so. i mean, rich people pav— think so. i mean, rich people pow whoteyer— think so. i mean, rich people pay whatever they're entitled to pay pay whatever they're entitled to row the — pay whatever they're entitled to row the eome— pay whatever they're entitled to row the oe— pay whatever they're entitled to pay the same as the poor people. so pay the same as the poor people. so t— pay the same as the poor people. so t meoh— pay the same as the poor people. so t he— pay the same as the poor people. so i mean, it's just— pay the same as the poor people. so i mean, it's just unequal, hoht— so i mean, it's just unequal, hoht .— so i mean, it's just unequal, hoht . though.— so i mean, it's just unequal, right , though, isn't it? yeah, right, though, isn't it? yeah, of right, though, isn't it? yeah, ot t— right, though, isn't it? yeah, of course. i think- right, though, isn't it? yeah, of course. i think i- right, though, isn't it? yeah, of course. i think i think they should, because. because us poor people , they're getting taxed people, they're getting taxed and we ain't got it like that. these rich people should be paying these rich people should be paying more money and contributing. i do believe rich people get taxed more people should get taxed more than people. but people should get taxed more than people . but they than regular people. but they do. they than regular people. but they to. they reoth— than regular people. but they do. they really do. _ than regular people. but they do. they really do. and- g but they do. they really do. and this is octuottw— do. they really do. and this is octuoth the — do. they really do. and this is actually the tax— do. they really do. and this is actually the tax burden in this country.— actually the tax burden in this country. oe— actually the tax burden in this country. oe we— actually the tax burden in this country, as we say, it's been

he— country, as we say, it's been he the— country, as we say, it's been it's the highest— country, as we say, it's been it's the highest it's been in weoe— it's the highest it's been in weoe the— it's the highest it's been in weoe the got— it's the highest it's been in years. i've got to go to a tech.— years. i've got to go to a hreot. hut— years. i've got to go to a break, but you- years. i've got to go to a break, but you said to suzanne thot— break, but you said to suzanne thot wou— break, but you said to suzanne that you thought— break, but you said to suzanne that you thought it was a bit of a nonsense that— that you thought it was a bit of a nonsense that the labour party are a nonsense that the labour party omtt — a nonsense that the labour party are anti aspiration.— a nonsense that the labour party are anti aspiration. don't are anti aspiration. i don't throt— are anti aspiration. i don't think nonsense. i are anti aspiration. i don't- think-nonsense. i think think that's a nonsense. i think it's think that's a nonsense. i think he true. — think that's a nonsense. i think he true. t— think that's a nonsense. i think it's true. i think— think that's a nonsense. i think it's true. i think that they play— it's true. i think that they how the— it's true. i think that they play this kind— it's true. i think that they play this kind tax, the rich play this kind of tax, the rich tax play this kind of tax, the rich tor-hch. — play this kind of tax, the rich tor-hch. t— play this kind of tax, the rich tax-rich. i think- play this kind of tax, the rich tax rich. i think they use tax the rich. i think they use it tax the rich. i think they use h oe— tax the rich. i think they use h oe o— tax the rich. i think they use it as a political— tax the rich. i think they use it as a political game. you ooh-t— it as a political game. you hot the— it as a political game. you don't like to— it as a political game. you don't like to give you an example-— don't like to give you an example. you— don't like to give you an example. you don't the example. you don't like the throw— example. you don't like the totour—yerw- example. you don't like the- labour_very example labour party. i be very example hetore— labour party. i be very example hetore t— labour party. i be very example hetore t 90— labour party. i be very example hetore t to to— labour party. i be very example before i go to the— labour party. i be very example before i go to the break, this whote— before i go to the break, this whole stupidity— before i go to the break, this whole stupidity the start whole stupidity when the start going— whole stupidity when the start tome—the- whole stupidity when the start ooho—the teei going about changing the fee hoete— going about changing the fee basis-private- going about changing the fee basis private schools basis for your private schools thew-re— basis for your private schools thewhe-thot— basis for your private schools they're -that not - basis for your private schools they're that not because they're doing that not because thew— they're doing that not because thew-o— they're doing that not because thew-o yew- they're doing that not because they a very fiscally they think it's a very fiscally oetute— they think it's a very fiscally astute - because - they think it's a very fiscally astute because it's not. astute policy because it's not. he— astute policy because it's not. tt-e-thewhe- astute policy because it's not. it's-they're doing l it's nonsense. they're doing thot— it's nonsense. they're doing that because— it's nonsense. they're doing that because what they're trying to-reeomote— that because what they're trying to - resonate .the - to do is resonate with the workho— to do is resonate with the working-base. - to do is resonate with the working base. go yeah, to do is resonate with the- working-base. go yeah, get working class base. go yeah, get thoee— working class base. go yeah, get thoee-heohte— working class base. go yeah, get those-people-sort- working class base. go yeah, get those people sort them those rich people and sort them out-hch?— those rich people and sort them out-hch? hut— those rich people and sort them out-rich? but it's- those rich people and sort them out rich? but it's not out what is rich? but it's not if out what is rich? but it's not h—oho— out what is rich? but it's not h—oho wour- out what is rich? but it's not if_and your kids. out what is rich? but it's not. if_and your kids are if you're rich and your kids are in if you're rich and your kids are to hrhote— if you're rich and your kids are in private school,— if you're rich and your kids are in private school, you don't care .there's_ in private school, you don't care .there'sl20%- in private school, you don't care there's 20% added to care if there's a 20% added to wow— care if there's a 20% added to wour tee.— care if there's a 20% added to wour tee. wou— care if there's a 20% added to your fee, you can— care if there's a 20% added to your fee, you can suck it up. whot— your fee, you can suck it up. whot wou— your fee, you can suck it up. what you can't— your fee, you can suck it up. what you can't suck up you what you can't suck up if you the— what you can't suck up if you are the striver_ what you can't suck up if you are the striver that goes whhout— are the striver that goes without sacrifices are the striver that goes without-sacrifices puts without make sacrifices and puts wour— without make sacrifices and puts wour-echoot— without make sacrifices and puts your- school, that's- without make sacrifices and puts your school, that's 20% your kid in school, that's 20% wt— your kid in school, that's 20% wttt—the- your kid in school, that's 20% wttt—the edgel will push you over the edge and wour— will push you over the edge and wour-he— will push you over the edge and wour-he toct- will push you over the edge and your-be back in- will push you over the edge and your- be back in the- your kids. i'll be back in the etote— your kids. i'll be back in the state school.— your kids. i'll be back in the state school. that's why i have the— state school. that's why i have the hew— state school. that's why i have the thot— state school. that's why i have the view that i— state school. that's why i have the view that i do. _ state school. that's why i have the view that i do. anyway okay,

you the view that i do. anyway okay, wou tett— the view that i do. anyway okay, wou tett me— the view that i do. anyway okay, wou tett me ot— the view that i do. anyway okay, you tell me at home. what you you tell me at home. what do you mote— you tell me at home. what do you make-charles?— you tell me at home. what do you make charles? killers make to it, charles? killers shoute— make to it, charles? killers shout-he- make to it, charles? killers. should-be released should they ever be released trom — should they ever be released trom-thot— should they ever be released from that coming up from prison? that is coming up hetore— from prison? that is coming up hetore the— from prison? that is coming up before the -the - from prison? that is coming up before the the program. before the end of the program. out— before the end of the program. hut t— before the end of the program. hut t oteo— before the end of the program. but i also want— before the end of the program. but i also want to— before the end of the program. but i also want to ask you as wett— but i also want to ask you as wett theee— but i also want to ask you as well, these companies, if thew-re— well, these companies, if thewhe-hoorl well, these companies, if- they're-poor service, they're providing poor service, whtch— which so many of them are, ehouto— which so many of them are, ehouto-he— which so many of them are, should-be fined- which so many of them are, should be fined and the should they be fined and the thee— should they be fined and the thee-to— should they be fined and the thee-to your- should they be fined and the fines-to you, the- fines given to you, the customers?—

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commentator, and kevin craig, the cho— commentator, and kevin craig, the cto ot— commentator, and kevin craig, the ceo of communications. we tuet— the ceo of communications. we tuet comeo— the ceo of communications. we just carried our— the ceo of communications. we just carried our conversation on ohout— just carried our conversation on otout the— just carried our conversation on otout the ytt— just carried our conversation on about the vat on— just carried our conversation on about the vat on private school teee. — about the vat on private school teee. hoye — about the vat on private school teee. hoye wou— about the vat on private school fees. have you got— about the vat on private school fees. have you got children in hrhote— fees. have you got children in private school?— fees. have you got children in private school? i— fees. have you got children in private school? i suspect some of private school? i suspect some ot wou— private school? i suspect some or wou howe— private school? i suspect some or wou hoye .— private school? i suspect some or wou hoye . h— private school? i suspect some of you have . in fact, i know of you have. in fact, i know thot— of you have. in fact, i know thot wou— of you have. in fact, i know that you have— of you have. in fact, i know that you have because you've teen— that you have because you've been th— that you have because you've been in touch— that you have because you've been in touch with me before. so tell been in touch with me before. so tett me— been in touch with me before. so tett me-the— been in touch with me before. so tell me the sacrifices tell me about the sacrifices thot— tell me about the sacrifices thot wou— tell me about the sacrifices that you make— tell me about the sacrifices that you make in order to ochtewe— that you make in order to achieve that achieve it. i wonder what that pottcw— achieve it. i wonder what that pottcw-wouto- achieve it. i wonder what that policy would have on you policy impact would have on you . tote— policy impact would have on you . tote ot— policy impact would have on you . tote ot wou— policy impact would have on you . lots of you getting in touch ohout— . lots of you getting in touch about. partygate - . lots of you getting in touch about partygate thing. lots about the partygate thing. lots of about the partygate thing. lots ot—otecuee- about the partygate thing. lots of- discuss ofsted . of you pretty discuss ofsted you-e— of you pretty discuss ofsted youhe eowho— of you pretty discuss ofsted you're saying as— of you pretty discuss ofsted you're saying as well that you do you're saying as well that you to throt— you're saying as well that you to thht h— you're saying as well that you do think it was— you're saying as well that you do think it was a— you're saying as well that you do think it was a kangaroo couh. — do think it was a kangaroo couh. horrw— do think it was a kangaroo court. barry says if you look the— court. barry says if you look like kangaroos,— court. barry says if you look like kangaroos, act like tohoorooe— like kangaroos, act like kangaroos and think like tohoorooe— kangaroos and think like kangaroos, then what conclusion can kangaroos, then what conclusion peohte— kangaroos, then what conclusion can people reach— kangaroos, then what conclusion can people reach all you harsh? hetttm— can people reach all you harsh? hehh eowe. — can people reach all you harsh? delfin says. michelle, you're mteeho— delfin says. michelle, you're mteethe the— delfin says. michelle, you're missing the point about boris. we missing the point about boris. we hon-t— missing the point about boris. we didn't vote— missing the point about boris. we didn't vote for boris because we towed— we didn't vote for boris because we loved boris.— we didn't vote for boris because we loved boris. we— we didn't vote for boris because we loved boris. we voted for horre— we loved boris. we voted for hohe to— we loved boris. we voted for hohe to get— we loved boris. we voted for boris to get brexit done and he oe-to— boris to get brexit done and he oe-to the— boris to get brexit done and he was-for the job. - boris to get brexit done and he was-for the job. as. boris to get brexit done and he was for the job. as sam was the man for the job. as sam eowe— was the man for the job. as sam eowe hohe— was the man for the job. as sam eowe hohe te— was the man for the job. as sam says, boris is basically shot htmeeh— says, boris is basically shot htmeett h— says, boris is basically shot himself in both— says, boris is basically shot himself in both feet over and oootm— himself in both feet over and over again. i'm— himself in both feet over and over again. i'm a— himself in both feet over and over again. i'm a true tory. i'm a over again. i'm a true tory. i'm otrue— over again. i'm a true tory. i'm o true tohheom— over again. i'm a true tory. i'm a true johnson supporter. but he eowe— a true johnson supporter. but he eowe h— a true johnson supporter. but he eowe to he— a true johnson supporter. but he says in his view,— a true johnson supporter. but he says in his view, he— a true johnson supporter. but he says in his view, he was lying through— says in his view, he was lying though he— says in his view, he was lying through his back— says in his view, he was lying through his back teeth and now hete— through his back teeth and now he hotne— through his back teeth and now he ooho o— through his back teeth and now he's doing a trump and muddying the wotere— he's doing a trump and muddying the wotere to — he's doing a trump and muddying the waters to cast— he's doing a trump and muddying the waters to cast doubt on the

outcome— the waters to cast doubt on the outcome because _ the waters to cast doubt on the outcome because it wasn't the ohe-he— outcome because it wasn't the one - he wanted - outcome because it wasn't the one-he wanted a- outcome because it wasn't the one he wanted a lot of. one that he wanted a lot of. yeoh— one that he wanted a lot of. yeoh tote— one that he wanted a lot of. yeah, lots of— one that he wanted a lot of. yeah, lots of different opinions trom— yeah, lots of different opinions trom wou— yeah, lots of different opinions trom wou ouwe— yeah, lots of different opinions trom wou ouwe ot— yeah, lots of different opinions from you guys at home tonight , from you guys at home tonight, hoht— from you guys at home tonight, hoht oh— from you guys at home tonight, hoht oh the— from you guys at home tonight, right on this whole rich thing. tooth.— right on this whole rich thing. atom mheo— right on this whole rich thing. atom mheo .— right on this whole rich thing. again, mixed . mixed. no one again, mixed. mixed. no one how— again, mixed. mixed. no one really thinks— again, mixed. mixed. no one really thinks it— again, mixed. mixed. no one really thinks it is reflective of really thinks it is reflective oh how— really thinks it is reflective of how patriotic— really thinks it is reflective of how patriotic you are in terme— of how patriotic you are in terme ot— of how patriotic you are in terms of how— of how patriotic you are in terms of how much you pay. so wee— terms of how much you pay. so wee streetingr — terms of how much you pay. so wes streeting, no— terms of how much you pay. so wes streeting, no one agrees wtth— wes streeting, no one agrees wtth wou— wes streeting, no one agrees wtth wou oh— wes streeting, no one agrees with you on that.— wes streeting, no one agrees with you on that. let's talk, ehott— with you on that. let's talk, ehott — with you on that. let's talk, shall we, companies, because if wou— shall we, companies, because if wou oe— shall we, companies, because if wou wtth— shall we, companies, because if wou wtth toh— shall we, companies, because if you are with ian next, your eherow— you are with ian next, your energy simply— you are with ian next, your energy supply that is you're in tuck— energy supply that is you're in luck because— energy supply that is you're in luck because you're going to get a luck because you're going to get o the— luck because you're going to get o ttttte th— luck because you're going to get a little bit of— luck because you're going to get a little bit of money your way. so a little bit of money your way. so wou— a little bit of money your way. so wou oe— a little bit of money your way. so wou he— a little bit of money your way. so you are it's only about £8. so you are it's only about £8. so wouhe— so you are it's only about £8. so wouhe hot— so you are it's only about £8. so you're not going to retire or anything-— so you're not going to retire or anything. principle anything. but it's the principle thot— anything. but it's the principle that-because— anything. but it's the principle that because that company that i like because that company howe— that i like because that company hove-teen— that i like because that company have - been fined _ that i like because that company have been fined million have just been fined £5 million in compensation— have just been fined £5 million in compensation .— have just been fined £5 million in compensation . this is all in compensation. this is all heuee— in compensation. this is all because brazier— in compensation. this is all because brazier their service reottw— because brazier their service reottw .— because brazier their service was really , really poor. i have was really, really poor. i have to eow— was really, really poor. i have to say, suzanne,— was really, really poor. i have to say, suzanne, i've noticed the— to say, suzanne, i've noticed the. rt— to say, suzanne, i've noticed the. tt ooh-t— to say, suzanne, i've noticed this. it don't matter who i ring , it this. it don't matter who i ring . h couto— this. it don't matter who i ring . h coutt te— this. it don't matter who i ring , it could be anyone. and you hch— , it could be anyone. and you hch uh— , it could be anyone. and you hch up the— , it could be anyone. and you pick up the phone, it's like you are number 27— pick up the phone, it's like you are number 27 in— pick up the phone, it's like you are number 27 in the queue. tettmoteo— are number 27 in the queue. estimated wait— are number 27 in the queue. estimated wait time, 40 minutes. i estimated wait time, 40 minutes. t hote— estimated wait time, 40 minutes. t hote h— estimated wait time, 40 minutes. t hote h . — estimated wait time, 40 minutes. t hote h. hut— estimated wait time, 40 minutes. i hate it. and it's— estimated wait time, 40 minutes. i hate it. and it's only- estimated wait time, 40 minutes. i hate it. 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because there's going to be even fewer fewer people to fewer and fewer people to actually seriously and actually take you seriously and answer i think answer the phone. but i think i probably feel a bit differently to michelle, one. to you, michelle, on this one. i was writing about this news, you know, £5 million fine because they answer the phones in they didn't answer the phones in time. of feel time. but i really kind of feel sorry for companies. we've got a staffing crisis at the moment and people are finding it difficult to recruit. you know, what you do if you've got what do you do if you've got a shortage your staff that shortage in your staff that you can't make you've got can't make up if you've got people off sick, if your phone lines working lines are down and not working and going to be fined by and you're going to be fined by the regulator. and there's a bit of that thinks actually, i of me that thinks actually, i think these regulators have a little too much in little bit too much power in that because, know, that area because, you know, things go wrong in businesses, things go wrong in businesses, things that businesses can't predict. now they're saying, predict. and now they're saying, well, we're going to fine you 5 million. we'll have 4 million of that. we'll go to everybody we think affected. all think is affected. they'll all get £8. is that really that important in the grand scheme of things? and then we'll have £1 million. you very much for million. thank you very much for our slush fund . and i our little slush fund. and i just think actually , you know, just think actually, you know, in this in this in this

situation, that the ofgems really trying to profit out as a result of perhaps businesses misfortune. you see i hear this huehtoct— misfortune. you see i hear this huehhoct ott— misfortune. you see i hear this pushback all the— misfortune. you see i hear this pushback all the time.- you see i hear this pushback all the time. oh, it's reottw— pushback all the time. oh, it's reottw horo— pushback all the time. oh, it's really hard to— pushback all the time. oh, it's really hard to recruit people ont— really hard to recruit people one ott— really hard to recruit people and all these— really hard to recruit people and all these poor companies. who— and all these poor companies. who r— and all these poor companies. who r om— and all these poor companies. who r om o— and all these poor companies. and i am a capitalist, by the wow.— and i am a capitalist, by the wow-ouhe— and i am a capitalist, by the way. quite unusual for way. so it's quite unusual for me— way. so it's quite unusual for melhowe— way. so it's quite unusual for melhowe mw— way. so it's quite unusual for me have my sentiment like me to have my sentiment like the— me to have my sentiment like the. t— me to have my sentiment like the. t eeeo— me to have my sentiment like this. i need to— me to have my sentiment like this. i need to check myself eometmee— this. i need to check myself sometimes what's happening to me?— sometimes what's happening to me7—tt'sl me? i'm going, it's good. it's 9°0d-_ me? i'm going, it's good. it's toot-there- me? i'm going, it's good. it's good.-there and- good. but i sit there and i threw— good. but i sit there and i threw eh.— good. but i sit there and i think, oh, pull— good. but i sit there and i think, oh, pull the other one. heuee— think, oh, pull the other one. heuee ott— think, oh, pull the other one. because all these companies that con-t— because all these companies that can't-customer- because all these companies that can'tlline,.customer- because all these companies that can't line, they ustomer because all these companies that can't line, they don'ter because all these companies that can't line, they don't have service line, they don't have any— service line, they don't have ohw hottem— service line, they don't have any problem staffing their retemttom— any problem staffing their retention-so- any problem staffing their retention-so if. any problem staffing their. retention -so if you retention line. and so if you theee—ont- retention line. and so if you theee—ohe eow.l retention line. and so if you- press_and say, right, press the button and say, right, i press the button and say, right, twomt— press the button and say, right, twoht to— press the button and say, right, i want to cancel— press the button and say, right, i want to cancel my contract, there— i want to cancel my contract, there te— i want to cancel my contract, there he hot— i want to cancel my contract, there is not a— i want to cancel my contract, there is not a 45— i want to cancel my contract, there is not a 45 minute waiting ttme— there is not a 45 minute waiting ttme-you— there is not a 45 minute waiting ttme-you oet— there is not a 45 minute waiting time you get answered time for you. you get answered in time for you. you get answered hecoue-he- time for you. you get answered in - because they're . in a minute because they're teeterote— in a minute because they're- desperate _customers desperate to keep your customers so desperate to keep your customers eowoe-h— desperate to keep your customers eowoe-h wtth- desperate to keep your customers so-wash with me.- so it doesn't wash with me. i tuet— so it doesn't wash with me. i tuet throt— so it doesn't wash with me. i just think that— so it doesn't wash with me. i just think that they're i don't know— just think that they're i don't know h— just think that they're i don't know if they've— just think that they're i don't know if they've lost the value of-customer. _ know if they've lost the value of-customer. they- know if they've lost the value of customer. "til; know if they've lost the value - of-customer. they have. they of the customer. they have. they have. you are right on have. and you are 100% right on this. i'm afraid i disagree this. and i'm afraid i disagree with we've just with suzanne because we've just got to poor customer got used to poor customer service. right of not feeling valued so i think great that the regulator is making their strength felt because people are fed up of it and of. so it's a

really good development. and i'll tell you as well, whilst t-m — i'll tell you as well, whilst t-m oh— i'll tell you as well, whilst m on mw— i'll tell you as well, whilst i'm on my outrage bus that i'm hormo— i'm on my outrage bus that i'm riding tohoht— i'm on my outrage bus that i'm riding tonight, a— i'm on my outrage bus that i'm riding tonight, a red bus , it's riding tonight, a red bus, it's hot— riding tonight, a red bus, it's hot omt— riding tonight, a red bus, it's hot one tt— riding tonight, a red bus, it's not and it hasn't— riding tonight, a red bus, it's not and it hasn't got 350 mttttoh— not and it hasn't got 350 mttttoh oh— not and it hasn't got 350 million on the- not and it hasn't got 350 million on the side of it either . ho.— million on the side of it either . to. he— million on the side of it either . to. he hot.— million on the side of it either . no, it's not. it's— million on the side of it either . no, it's not. it's a- million on the side of it either . no, it's not. it's a different cotou— . no, it's not. it's a different colour one. it's— . no, it's not. it's a different colour one. it's a— . no, it's not. it's a different colour one. it's a it's a very good— colour one. it's a it's a very good hue— colour one. it's a it's a very good bus, mind— colour one. it's a it's a very good bus, mind you. you can join me oh h— good bus, mind you. you can join me oh h once— good bus, mind you. you can join me oh h t— good bus, mind you. you can join me on it once. i might. let's, tet-e— me on it once. i might. let's, the get— me on it once. i might. let's, tet-e eet wou— me on it once. i might. let's, let's get you some- me on it once. i might. let's, let's get you some common sense. howe— let's get you some common sense. howe wou— let's get you some common sense. howe wou ome— let's get you some common sense. howe wou oh— let's get you some common sense. have you come on a— let's get you some common sense. have you come on a bus ride with -hhwwow— have you come on a bus ride with me-ahwwow hutc- have you come on a bus ride with me. anyway hmrc, it caught me. yeah. anyway hmrc, it caught my me. yeah. anyway hmrc, it caught mw-thewhe— me. yeah. anyway hmrc, it caught mw-thewhe ctoeho- me. yeah. anyway hmrc, it caught my they're closing one my eye that they're closing one of my eye that they're closing one ot-hhmorw— my eye that they're closing one ot-hhmorw phone- my eye that they're closing one of primary phone lines of their primary phone lines town— of their primary phone lines down-summer- of their primary phone lines down summer because down over summer because opporehttw— down over summer because apparently they're saying thew-we— apparently they're saying they've staffing issues. so they've got staffing issues. so thew-re— they've got staffing issues. so thewhe going— they've got staffing issues. so thewhe going to— they've got staffing issues. so they're going to close the eerhce— they're going to close the service down _ they're going to close the service down instead service down and instead respond to-ohthe— service down and instead respond to-ohthe or— service down and instead respond to-online or with— service down and instead respond to online or with these. and to you online or with these. and i to you online or with these. and t throt— to you online or with these. and tthht thot-e— to you online or with these. and i think that's absolutely oteouetho. — i think that's absolutely disgusting. do not pay my tax disgusting. i do not pay my tax for disgusting. i do not pay my tax tor wou— disgusting. i do not pay my tax tor wou to— disgusting. i do not pay my tax tor wou to eh— disgusting. i do not pay my tax for you to sit at— disgusting. i do not pay my tax for you to sit at home and then tett— for you to sit at home and then tett-thot— for you to sit at home and then tett-thot wou— for you to sit at home and then tell-that you can't- for you to sit at home and then tell that you can't serve me tell me that you can't serve me heuee— tell me that you can't serve me heuee wouhe— tell me that you can't serve me because you're-at- tell me that you can't serve me because you're at home and because you're all at home and wou-e— because you're all at home and wouhe—ot- because you're all at home and you're—of course,| you're overworked. of course, thew-re— you're overworked. of course, they're sector, so they they're public sector, so they won't by anybody. won't be fined by anybody. they're law unto themselves. they're a law unto themselves. but is it only private but why is it only private companies that are not allowed to any kind of failure? i to have any kind of failure? i think the think that's that's also the feeling that i have. the private sector gets with murder in sector gets away with murder in terms service.

terms of poor customer service. you know, we see poor customer service in the private sector, in the public sector all the time , but it's the public time, but it's only the public sector that gets criticised for it and gets fined for it. and i think that is, is wrong. yeah. and some people will- 3 yeah. and some people will say, well if and some people will say, well h wou— and some people will say, well h wou ooh-t— and some people will say, well if you don't like— and some people will say, well if you don't like it,— and some people will say, well if you don't like it, vote with wour— if you don't like it, vote with wour wottet— if you don't like it, vote with your wallet and _ if you don't like it, vote with your wallet and go to a different— your wallet and go to a different company. well that's geot— different company. well that's ereot h— different company. well that's oreot h wouhe— different company. well that's great if you're not in a cohtroct— great if you're not in a contract with- great if you're not in a contract with someone. a lot of peohte— contract with someone. a lot of peopte weoh— contract with someone. a lot of peopte weohltot— contract with someone. a lot of people yeah..lot of- contract with someone. a lot of people yeah. lot of people are people yeah. a lot of people are cohtroctuottw— people yeah. a lot of people are contractually stuck. . gilt?" contractually stuck. but yeah, you— contractually stuck. but yeah, wou-the— contractually stuck. but yeah, you the to live a bit. you lose the will to live a bit. really but the thin end of the wedge— really but the thin end of the wedge come— really but the thin end of the wedge came along— “ but the thin end of the wedge came along when we j but the thin end of the wedge came along when we first etoheo— wedge came along when we first etoheo-thoee— wedge came along when we first started those automatic started having those automatic tetehhohe— started having those automatic telephone machines . telephone answering machines. you-the— telephone answering machines. you-the oto— telephone answering machines. you-the old days,- telephone answering machines. you the old days, you you know, in the old days, you hch— you know, in the old days, you hch-phone.— you know, in the old days, you pick-phoner wou- you know, in the old days, you pick phone, you talk pick up the phone, you talk etrotoht— pick up the phone, you talk etrotoht owow— pick up the phone, you talk straight away to _ pick up the phone, you talk straight away to real person. straight away to a real person. thew-o— straight away to a real person. thew-o-throuoh- straight away to a real person. they'd _through to - they'd put you through to the oepohmeht— they'd put you through to the department—and. they'd put you through to the. department—and the department you wanted and the moment— department you wanted and the moment we got— department you wanted and the moment we got press one for x ont— moment we got press one for x ohe-tor— moment we got press one for x ohe-torlh- moment we got press one for x and _forlit was- moment we got press one for x and _forlit was thei and press two for y, it was the beginning— and press two for y, it was the heotmholthe— and press two for y, it was the beginning the end. hate it. beginning of the end. hate it. wett— beginning of the end. hate it. wett t— beginning of the end. hate it. wett t teet— beginning of the end. hate it. well, i need to— beginning of the end. hate it. well, i need to do— beginning of the end. hate it. well, i need to do a- beginning of the end. hate it. well, i need to do a dramatic change of tone now because i do want to bring you some of the latest pictures nottingham latest pictures from nottingham i mentioned to you at the start of programme. there's of the programme. there's a vigil place . we've vigil there taking place. we've had silence as well

had the minutes silence as well for the victim . there's people for the victim. there's people gathering there to show their respects of course, to the horrific scenes that we saw earlier on this week. of course, we're all familiar by now. ian curtis, barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar were murdered in the most horrific ways . rights? the most horrific ways. rights? well, i shall leave that there for now . so lots coming your for now. so lots coming your way. don't go anywhere .

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 alongside me. suzanne evans, the political commentator, and kevin craig, the ceo of communications

. now, have you heard the news today? stopped me in my tracks. so pitchfork so it did. colin pitchfork do you remember that name? he is the not the guy that murdered two, not one, two children, 15 year old girls to be precise. anyway, long story short , he was jailed long story short, he was jailed for life in 1988. he went on a raped these two children as well before he murdered them. he's been released from prison once before and got recalled, i should add. anyway long story short, the parole board now have determined that he can be released again. now, kevin craig , it makes me feel sick not least because when you look at why they reached the decision and some of the, you know, the details around it, they say it's deemed this guy is no deemed that this guy is no longer keeping him in prison , is longer keeping him in prison, is no necessary for the no longer necessary for the protection of the public. well first and foremost, i think actually the parole board have got lot to learn because got a lot to learn because they've let out a lot of people actually that gone on to actually that have gone on to absolute of the absolute harm, members of the public. but secondly to that, if you made child, you're not you made a child, you're not just in prison to protect the

public. just in prison to protect the pubuc. in just in prison to protect the public. in prison for public. you're in prison for punishment. i don't think you should ever see the light of day. and you'll probably disagree with my next little bit, but i would actually look at reintroducing the death penalty for child killers when it's beyond doubt that that's what you've done. what do you make to it all? well, i do think thot— make to it all? well, i do think thot the— make to it all? well, i do think that the parole— make to it all? well, i do think that the parole board- e 7 well, i do think that the parole board is getting it that the parole board is getting tt wrong— that the parole board is getting h wromo ohe— that the parole board is getting tt wrong one t— that the parole board is getting it wrong, and i don't think enough— it wrong, and i don't think enough account is taken of the hohte— enough account is taken of the hohte ot— enough account is taken of the rights of victims— enough account is taken of the rights of victims their rights of victims and their tomtttee— rights of victims and their families and— rights of victims and their families and i— rights of victims and their families and i always think in any— families and i always think in ohw torm — families and i always think in ohw torm ot— families and i always think in any form of public life that tectetome— any form of public life that decisions should people decisions should be people ehouto—thew decisions should be people- should _they should should take them and they should octuottw— should take them and they should octuottw-hut— should take them and they should actually put themselves actually try and put themselves in actually try and put themselves h—thoee- actually try and put themselves in _those affected.| in the shoes of those affected. hmo— in the shoes of those affected. hmolthht— in the shoes of those affected. and ithink there _ in the shoes of those affected. and think there have been, as and i think there have been, as you— and i think there have been, as wou-number— and i think there have been, as wou-humher ot- and i think there have been, as you number of examples of you say, a number of examples of peohte— you say, a number of examples of peopte being— you say, a number of examples of peopte being tet— you say, a number of examples of people being let out. there was the muted— people being let out. there was the murder of— people being let out. there was the murder of a— people being let out. there was the murder of a young teacher, i thhh— the murder of a young teacher, i threw h— the murder of a young teacher, i throw to toet— the murder of a young teacher, i think, in east london recently by a— think, in east london recently by a guy— think, in east london recently by o guy who— think, in east london recently by a guy who should have think, in east london recently by a released.;hould have think, in east london recently by a released. and d have think, in east london recently by a released. and d haat been released. and there is a oehote— been released. and there is a debate around— been released. and there is a debate around how well the pooh— debate around how well the pooh ewetem— debate around how well the parole system functions and it's funding-— parole system functions and it's tunthe-ooh-t- parole system functions and it's funding. don't trust funding. i don't i don't trust any— funding. i don't i don't trust ohw ewetem— funding. i don't i don't trust ohw ewetem to— funding. i don't i don't trust any system to be so accurate thot— any system to be so accurate thot t— any system to be so accurate thot t coutt— any system to be so accurate that i could support the death pehottw— that i could support the death hehottw .— that i could support the death pehottw. t— that i could support the death penalty. i think— that i could support the death penalty. i think that if you if the— penalty. i think that if you if life actually— penalty. i think that if you if life actually means life, it's octuottw— life actually means life, it's octuottw o— life actually means life, it's actually a worse— life actually means life, it's actually a worse punishment . actually a worse punishment. teottwe—

actually a worse punishment. rteottwe yeoh— actually a worse punishment. really? yeah. do _ actually a worse punishment. really? yeah. do you think ? really? yeah. do you think? yeoh. — really? yeah. do you think? yeoh. hut— really? yeah. do you think? yeah. but then _ really? yeah. do you think? yeah. but then it's- really? yeah. do you think? yeah. but then it's a- really? yeah. do you think? / yeah. but then it's a very expensive we've just been sitting there talking about pubuc sitting there talking about public finances the rest public finances and all the rest of it to keep people in prison literally for rest of their literally for the rest of their days a very costly affair. days is a very costly affair. what's point? i just think what's the point? i just think that it could be one of our family members where the state gets it wrong one time. yes. yeah, yeah. i do agree with you, kevin. i'm afraid i've always been opposed to death been opposed to the death penalty. ever see myself been opposed to the death penalty. my ever see myself been opposed to the death penalty. my mind.' see myself been opposed to the death penalty. my mind. for; myself been opposed to the death penalty. my mind. for me, self been opposed to the death penalty. my mind. for me, it lf been opposed to the death penalty. my mind. for me, it was changing my mind. for me, it was the of stefan kiszko, who the case of stefan kiszko, who was accused rape. he was was accused of rape. he was a young guy with severe learning difficulties was he couldn't possibly have committed that crime, couldn't possibly have done it. dna, dna evidence that later proved him innocence. but he could well have been have been hung had he been convicted a years earlier. and he died a few years earlier. and he died shortly after his release. terribly, terribly sad story. it's doubt, it's never beyond doubt, unfortunately . and yes, it's unfortunately. and yes, it's costly. yes there might be cases i can give you. remember that guy,— i can give you. remember that guy the— i can give you. remember that ouw. the two— i can give you. remember that ouw. the two the— i g remember that guy, the two guys actually that hocteo— guy, the two guys actually that hocteo tee — guy, the two guys actually that hacked lee rigby_ guy, the two guys actually that hacked lee rigby to death, for exomhtee— hacked lee rigby to death, for example? there's— hacked lee rigby to death, for example? there's no one that

wttt— example? there's no one that wttt ewet— example? there's no one that will ever convince— example? there's no one that will ever convince me who ? well, will ever convince me who? well, mowhe— will ever convince me who? well, mowhe there-e— will ever convince me who? well, maybe there's an— will ever convince me who? well, maybe there's an evidence. a bit of maybe there's an evidence. a bit ot oouht— maybe there's an evidence. a bit ot oouht thot— maybe there's an evidence. a bit of doubt that he— maybe there's an evidence. a bit of doubt that he did it. /ti:t. t: of doubt that he did it. you'd howe— of doubt that he did it. you'd howe hote— of doubt that he did it. you'd have made martyrs of those two had faced, faced the death had they faced, faced the death penalty. you're not going to penalty. so you're not going to change my mind this i'm change my mind on this one, i'm afraid. in the jamie bulger afraid. but in the jamie bulger killers, for example. well, i remember had daughter remember i just had my daughter then. was horrific. then. and that was horrific. watching, watching that. but they young kids. you know, they were young kids. you know, again, expensive, but again, it's very expensive, but society sometimes throws up these dreadful people for whatever reason because something's gone horribly wrong in circumstance courses, in family circumstance courses, in family circumstance courses, in education, whatever. and i think society has to has to pick up the tab very often, personally . but cases like this. personally. but cases like this. pitchfork character, this creature, ghastly . i cannot creature, ghastly. i cannot imagine why he's being let out of prison. i just can't understand it. because to kill two children is a horrific there is no way he should be let out any double murderer. frankly, i can't see why they should ever be let out of jail. you can never be sure that they're not pulling the wool over the parole board's eyes, over the chaplain's over the prison

chaplain's eyes, over the prison officers these are officers eyes. these are devious, nasty, manipulative people. you can't them. people. you can't trust them. they should locked up they should be locked up forever. and when i read it as wett— forever. and when i read it as wet-reot— forever. and when i read it as well.-read some- forever. and when i read it asj well.-read some-the well. so you read some of the oetotte— well. so you read some of the oetotte-h-e— well. so you read some of the details-it's kind- well. so you read some of the details-it's kind of. details of this, it's kind of the.— details of this, it's kind of the-hete— details of this, it's kind of like, he's successfully like, oh, he's successfully compteteo— like, oh, he's successfully completed load of courses. if completed a load of courses. if i completed a load of courses. if twoe— completed a load of courses. if twoe the— completed a load of courses. if i was the parent— completed a load of courses. if i was the parent of— completed a load of courses. if i was the parent of one of these chttoreh.— i was the parent of one of these chttorem. t— i was the parent of one of these children, i would— i was the parent of one of these children, i would feel so sick to eh— children, i would feel so sick to ett there— children, i would feel so sick to sit there and— children, i would feel so sick to sit there and think, so let me— to sit there and think, so let me get— to sit there and think, so let me get the— to sit there and think, so let me get this straight. this tetto— me get this straight. this tetto-t-we- me get this straight. this fella,-i've been- me get this straight. this fella, i've been living fella, while i've been living a the— fella, while i've been living a life sentence _ fella, while i've been living a life sentence own, because life sentence of my own, because wou— life sentence of my own, because wou-newer— life sentence of my own, because wou-newer eet— life sentence of my own, because wou-newer get over- life sentence of my own, because you never get over if you will never get over that if someone's done— you will never get over that if someone's done that to your chht— someone's done that to your chtto. wou— someone's done that to your child, you never— someone's done that to your child, you never get that. child, you never get over that. so child, you never get over that. so—thte- so i've been living this horrhtc— so i've been living this horrific life— so i've been living this horrific life sentence of my ont— horrific life sentence of my own, and whilst— horrific life sentence of my own, and whilst i've doing own, and whilst i've been doing thot— that, my whole family is oheotutetw— that, my whole family is absolutely decimated. he has teem— absolutely decimated. he has been ehtho— absolutely decimated. he has been sitting studying been sitting there studying the— been sitting there studying the-the- been sitting there studying this,-the other,- this, that and the other, emhchho— this, that and the other, enriching-life.- this, that and the other, enriching life. it would this, that and the other, enrichime life. it would this, that and the other, enrichime . life. it would this, that and the other, enrichime . of fe. it would this, that and the other, enrichime . of course'ould this, that and the other, enrichime . of course'0lwould to sicken me. of course it would to the-aho— sicken me. of course it would to the-tho thot-e— sicken me. of course it would to the .and that's what- the core. and that's what i thot-e— the core. and that's what i thot-e-tuet- the core. and that's what i that's just think that the that's why i just think that the ewetem — that's why i just think that the ewetem teete— that's why i just think that the system needs to— that's why i just think that the system needs to it needs to be morem-o— system needs to it needs to be more-and victims,- system needs to it needs to be more and victims, family more victim and victims, family cemthc. — more victim and victims, family cemthc. hut— more victim and victims, family centric. and that's— more victim and victims, family centric. ' t: more victim and victims, family centric. and that's why people get because get disillusioned, because they don't want hear don't they don't want to hear about the rights criminals. about the rights of criminals. they hear about those they want to hear about those who've been hurt by what they've done. and do you mean by done. and what do you mean by that should be that when you say it should be more centric, you more victims centric, do you think should more kind

think we should have more kind of victim family involvement in terms of deciding then gets terms of deciding then who gets to prison and who to come out of prison and who doesn't? think that some doesn't? i just think that some etot— doesn't? i just think that some etoh ooh-t— doesn't? i just think that some stop don't change— : c7’ i just think that some stop don't change the system and tuto— stop don't change the system and hunt-so— stop don't change the system and hunt-so wou— stop don't change the system and fund .so you-let- stop don't change the system and fund .so you _let peoplej fund it. so you don't let people out are at risk of doing it out who are at risk of doing it again, learn from the mistakes and respect those introduce more important stance to victims rights of crime . now, listen to rights of crime. now, listen to the— rights of crime. now, listen to thte ewerwohe— rights of crime. now, listen to this, everyone. more- i get; ti.” now, listen to this, everyone. more than i gnu ti.” now, listen to this, everyone. more than 4 in 10 this, everyone. more than 4 in to ohehoere— this, everyone. more than 4 in 10 offenders that— this, everyone. more than 4 in 10 offenders that have been treet— 10 offenders that have been treeo trom — 10 offenders that have been freed from jail— 10 offenders that have been freed from jail or handed commuhtw— freed from jail or handed community sentences is and who went— community sentences is and who went oh— community sentences is and who went on to— community sentences is and who went on to commit— community sentences is and who went on to commit serious crimes hoo— went on to commit serious crimes hot teen— went on to commit serious crimes had been assessed— went on to commit serious crimes had been assessed by probation ohtcere— had been assessed by probation otttcere hoe— had been assessed by probation officers has only— had been assessed by probation officers has only been of i quote.— officers has only been of i quote, medium - officers has only been of i quote, medium risk of causing horm— quote, medium risk of causing serious harm. 44% of risk assessments— serious harm. 44% of risk assessments apparently were also hoccuroet— assessments apparently were also hoccuroet or— assessments apparently were also inaccurate or incomplete. i there-e— inaccurate or incomplete. i mean, there's certain things in the— mean, there's certain things in the hot— mean, there's certain things in the thot wou— mean, there's certain things in life that you can— mean, there's certain things in life that you can kind of get owow— life that you can kind of get owow wtth— life that you can kind of get away with making a little bit of away with making a little bit of o mtetote— away with making a little bit of o mtetote oh— away with making a little bit of a mistake on making a mistake in terme— a mistake on making a mistake in terme ot— a mistake on making a mistake in terme ot who— a mistake on making a mistake in terms of who you— a mistake on making a mistake in terms of who you let out, who them— terms of who you let out, who then 90— terms of who you let out, who then go oh— terms of who you let out, who then go on to— terms of who you let out, who then go on to kill.— terms of who you let out, who then go on to kill. in fact, octuottw.— then go on to kill. in fact, octuottw. ttm— then go on to kill. in fact, actually, i'm a— then go on to kill. in fact, actually, i'm a bit harsh on theee— actually, i'm a bit harsh on these things. _ actually, i'm a bit harsh on these things. i— actually, i'm a bit harsh on these things. i think if you mote— these things. i think if you mote thot— these things. i think if you make that decision and that

hereon— make that decision and that hereon toee— make that decision and that hereon toee 90— make that decision and that person does go on to commit a serious crime, i— person does go on to commit a serious crime, i would want then the-to— serious crime, i would want then the-to he— serious crime, i would want then the-to toe-oh- serious crime, i would want then the-to be-on to- the spotlight to be put on to you— the spotlight to be put on to wou-oh— the spotlight to be put on to you an individual . well, i you as an individual. well, i ooh-t— you as an individual. well, i ooh-t know.— you as an individual. well, i don't know. maybe is some don't know. maybe there is some tho— don't know. maybe there is some some kind .claim _ don't know. maybe there is some some kind claim towards some some kind of claim towards some hmo— some kind of claim towards some hmolheotect— some kind of claim towards some kind-neglect or— some kind of claim towards some kind neglect or something kind of neglect or something the—out- kind of neglect or somethingi like—and focus like that. maybe try and focus the mute— like that. maybe try and focus the mute ot— like that. maybe try and focus the minds of people to make the hoht— the minds of people to make the right decisions— the minds of people to make the right decisions .— the minds of people to make the right decisions . would that help right decisions. would that help oeohte— right decisions. would that help peopte e— right decisions. would that help peopte e t— right decisions. would that help peopte e t tom-t— right decisions. would that help people ? i don't know. g people? i don't know. i guess the— people? i don't know. i guess the te— people? i don't know. i guess the he whw— people? i don't know. i guess this is why it's not an individual decision. there is a board that hears it. they come to decision. so in to a collective decision. so in a there's kind of a sense there's kind of collective responsibility. but yes, dam collective responsibility. but yes,-dam investigate. yes, arade dam investigate all of yes, arade dam investigate all ot—t-o— yes, arade dam investigate all ot—t-o toot- yes, arade dam investigate all of_|'d look to- yes, arade dam investigate all. of_|'d look to charge of them, then i'd look to charge all of them, then i'd look to charge ottlthem— of them, then i'd look to charge all-them. yeah.— of them, then i'd look to charge all-them. yeah.-i- of them, then i'd look to charge all them. yeah. i don't all of them. yeah. oh, i don't know.— all of them. yeah. oh, i don't know-t— all of them. yeah. oh, i don't know-t om— all of them. yeah. oh, i don't know.-i am just- all of them. yeah. oh, i don't know. i am just little know. maybe i am just a little bit know. maybe i am just a little htt-there-e— know. maybe i am just a little htt-there-e o— know. maybe i am just a little bit-there's a lot- know. maybe i am just a little bit there's a lot of bit harsh. there's a lot of heohte— bit harsh. there's a lot of pebble-agree- bit harsh. there's a lot of people agree with me when people that agree with me when it people that agree with me when h oee— people that agree with me when h to— people that agree with me when it comes to the— people that agree with me when it comes to the death penalty for it comes to the death penalty tor— howee i for child killers. however, rhttth— for child killers. however, rhttth-wee- for child killers. however, rhtth-wee .- for child killers. however, philip -yes , the - for child killers. however, philip yes , the risk of philip says yes, the risk of mothe— philip says yes, the risk of making them— philip says yes, the risk of making them a— philip says yes, the risk of making them a martyr is a real ouwwow— making them a martyr is a real one anyway. look— making them a martyr is a real one anyway. look the time flies, ten-t— one anyway. look the time flies, teh-t he— one anyway. look the time flies, teh-t he tor— one anyway. look the time flies, isn't it? for now.— one anyway. look the time flies, isn't it? for now. thank you werw— isn't it? for now. thank you werw much— isn't it? for now. thank you very much, kevin. thank you, suzanne, as well— very much, kevin. thank you, suzanne, as well for your compouw— suzanne, as well for your comhohw. you— suzanne, as well for your company. you know the score, ooh-t— company. you know the score, ooh-t you?— company. you know the score, tour you? do— company. you know the score, don't you? do not— company. you know the score, don't you? do not go anywhere. treet— don't you? do not go anywhere. nigel toroee— don't you? do not go anywhere. nigel torooe te— don't you? do not go anywhere. nigel farage is up— don't you? do not go anywhere. nigel farage is up next. if woue— nigel farage is up next. if woue tuet— nigel farage is up next. if you've just tuned in, didn't cotch—the- catch the start of the prooromme- catch the start of the programme, you can watch it back on youtute— programme, you can watch it back

on youtuhe or— programme, you can watch it back on youtube or the— programme, you can watch it back on youtube or the app. you lucky oeoote— on youtube or the app. you lucky peopte. hut— on youtube or the app. you lucky peopte. hut tor— on youtube or the app. you lucky people. but for now,— on youtube or the app. you lucky people. but for now, have a good hoht— people. but for now, have a good hoht-t-tt— people. but for now, have a good hoht-t-tt eee— people. but for now, have a good night-i'll see you— people. but for now, have a good night i'll see you tomorrow night and i'll see you tomorrow ewehmo. — night and i'll see you tomorrowi ewehmo. —wtth evening. alex deakin here with your weather for gb news your latest weather for gb news from met office. another from the met office. another fine, for most on fine, sunny one for most on friday. and again, pretty warm, but an increase in chance of seeing some thunder storms. seeing some more thunder storms. any storms this evening over the west northern ireland tending west of northern ireland tending to drift most will have to drift away. most will have a dry night lengthy, clear dry night with lengthy, clear spells . but misty dry night with lengthy, clear spells. but misty around dry night with lengthy, clear spells . but misty around the spells. but misty around the coast northwest scotland coast of northwest scotland later night. so cloud later in the night. so cloud increasing the possibility of some in the far some showers in the far south—west. but for most, as i said, and clear, pretty warm said, dry and clear, pretty warm and humid in the west, but cooler across the north—east. temperatures, parts temperatures, rural parts of scotland down single scotland well down into single figures. so a coolish start here, but for most it will be again, a warm day on friday. for the vast majority, another blue sky day as well. but in the west, any sunshine turning increasingly hazy as the cloud spells in. we are going to see some showers breaking out 1 or 2 maybe early on in the south—west but much of the morning dry. it's really in the afternoon and evening where parts of wales and

northern could catch northern ireland could catch a thundery downpour. could thundery downpour. that could cause problems intense cause some problems of intense rain. of lightning. as i rain. lots of lightning. as i said, most places won't see them. stay fine. warm and them. just stay fine. warm and sunny the sunny with temperatures in the mid to high 20s an mid to high 20s but an increasing chance of seeing those thundery showers during friday evening. again mostly in the west at this stage , but with the west at this stage, but with more cloud spilling in, things just generally turning warmer and more humid as we head into the weekend. so saturday won't be as much in the way of blue sky around. still plenty of hazy sunshine on and many places will stay dry. but certainly for northern ireland, south—west scotland, wales and western parts england, the likelihood parts of england, the likelihood that there will be in these areas some thundery showers. again, central and eastern again, many central and eastern parts will probably stay dry and still pretty warm. it's the humidity. i think, though, you'll really notice, particularly the particularly through the evenings , a balmy summer's evenings, a balmy summer's evenings, a balmy summer's evening on saturday evening and another very warm and humid day on sunday. again there will be hazy sunshine, also be hazy sunshine, but also be prepared for thundery showers as

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