polly middlehurst . news with polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you. well, the main this— nigel, thank you. well, the main news this evening— nigel, thank you. well, the main news this evening from - \\ gt; well, the main news this evening from gb news is that— news this evening from gb news is that hundreds— news this evening from gb news is that hundreds of— news this evening from gb news is that hundreds of people have been— is that hundreds of people have been gathering— is that hundreds of people have been gathering in— is that hundreds of people have been gathering in the city cente— been gathering in the city centre of— been gathering in the city centre of nottingham to pay enen— centre of nottingham to pay their respects— centre of nottingham to pay their respects this evening to their respects this evening to ene ennee — their respects this evening to the three victims— their respects this evening to the three victims of tuesday's knife— the three victims of tuesday's knife attacks— the three victims of tuesday's knife attacks ._ the three victims of tuesday's knife attacks . the city fell knife attacks. the city fell enem— knife attacks. the city fell enene ee— knife attacks. the city fell silent at 6:00— knife attacks. the city fell silent at 6:00 to pay tribute to 19 year— silent at 6:00 to pay tribute to 19 year em— silent at 6:00 to pay tribute to 19 year old students. grace o-meuey— 19 year old students. grace o-meuey ,— 19 year old students. grace o'malley , kumar and barnaby o'malley, kumar and barnaby wennen— o'malley, kumar and barnaby wennen ene— o'malley, kumar and barnaby webber and 65— o'malley, kumar and barnaby webber and 65 year old school caretaker— webber and 65 year old school caretaker ian— webber and 65 year old school caretaker ian coates. and earner,— caretaker ian coates. and earlier, the— caretaker ian coates. and earlier, the home secretary paid ninete— earlier, the home secretary paid tribute to— earlier, the home secretary paid tribute to them— earlier, the home secretary paid tribute to them by— earlier, the home secretary paid tribute to them by laying a mean— tribute to them by laying a wreath outside _ tribute to them by laying a wreath outside nottingham council— wreath outside nottingham council house.— wreath outside nottingham council house. speaking at the vign— council house. speaking at the wen, ene— council house. speaking at the wen, nne sene— council house. speaking at the vigil, the sons of— council house. speaking at the vigil, the sons of ian coates enennee— vigil, the sons of ian coates thanked those— vigil, the sons of ian coates thanked those who spoke warmly and thanked those who spoke warmly end lovingly— thanked those who spoke warmly end lovingly ef— thanked those who spoke warmly and lovingly of their father . and lovingly of their father. it feels— and lovingly of their father. it feels like _ and lovingly of their father. it feels like he's— and lovingly of their father. it feels like he's touched a lot of hearts over the years, more than what we assumed and knew that he had . so it's been really that he had. so it's been really nee— that he had. so it's been really ene— that he had. so it's been really nice and heartwarming- “a: so it's been really nice and heartwarming to see the nneeeeeee ene— nice and heartwarming to see the messages and the— nice and heartwarming to see the messages and the people come out and ten— messages and the people come out and talk about— messages and the people come out and talk about how— messages and the people come out and talk about how he was when men— and talk about how he was when eney were— and talk about how he was when

they were younger— and talk about how he was when they were younger and how he's helped— they were younger and how he's helped enem— they were younger and how he's helped them and— they were younger and how he's helped them and some beautiful comments . barnaby webber's mum, comments. barnaby webber's mum, enne— comments. barnaby webber's mum, enne webber— comments. barnaby webber's mum, emma webber says— comments. barnaby webber's mum, emma webber says nottingham had a special— emma webber says nottingham had a special pence— emma webber says nottingham had a special place in— emma webber says nottingham had a special place in her son's neen— a special place in her son's neen ene— a special place in her son's heart and she— a special place in her son's heart and she asked people to new— heart and she asked people to new no— heart and she asked people to new no nee— heart and she asked people to hold no hate and— heart and she asked people to hold no hate and grace. kumar's mum shinade , fought back tears mum shinade, fought back tears as she delivered a speech to the crowd in nottingham as well. meanwhile, the vice chancellor of the university of nottingham , professor shearer west, said it will take a long time for the community to heal. the it will take a long time for the community to heal . the people of community to heal. the people of nottingham know that this is not what our city is about and we will not let this single horrifying event define who we are and what we stand for. our communities are united- are and what we stand for. our communities are united in- communities are united in grief, but we— communities are united in grief, but we wu— communities are united in grief, but we will draw— communities are united in grief, but we will draw upon the enormous strength of every one of enormous strength of every one on we— enormous strength of every one on we ee— enormous strength of every one of us as citizens— enormous strength of every one of us as citizens and our pride in own— of us as citizens and our pride in ew— of us as citizens and our pride in new ee— of us as citizens and our pride in our city as we— of us as citizens and our pride in our city as we come together to in our city as we come together we ene— in our city as we come together to recover and start— in our city as we come together to recover and start the long journey— to recover and start the long journey to— to recover and start the long

journey to heal— to recover and start the long journey to heal well, in news eent— journey to heal well, in news vent ewev— journey to heal well, in news events away from _ journey to heal well, in news events away from nottingham teeny,— events away from nottingham todavv tene— events away from nottingham today, boris johnson has rejected— today, boris johnson has rejected the— today, boris johnson has rejected the findings of the twenty— rejected the findings of the inquiry looking into partygate, wnten— inquiry looking into partygate, wnten nee— inquiry looking into partygate, which has reported that the tonne— which has reported that the former prime— which has reported that the former prime minister deliberately- former prime minister deliberately misled parliament. a report— deliberately misled parliament. a report says— deliberately misled parliament. a report says rte— deliberately misled parliament. a report says the former- deliberately misled parliament. a report says the former prime minister was guilty of serious contempt and was complicit in a campaign attempting to abuse and intimidate at the committee. mr johnson describes the findings as a deranged covid conclusion and accused the inquiry itself of hypocrisy . the former prime of hypocrisy. the former prime minister would have faced a recommended suspension of 90 days had he not quit as an mp. mps will be debating the report into his conduct on monday. mps will be debating the report into his conduct on monday . and into his conduct on monday. and lastly, all three britons who died after a dive boat caught fire off egypt have been named today. stephen hill and paul darling were taking part in scuba diving lessons when the vessel burst into flames on sunday. and yesterday it was announced 58 year old christina quinn, who was chief executive of a hospice in plymouth, was also killed in the boat fire.

you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is . app. this is. gb news. it finally arrived? yes, at 9:00 this it finally arrived? yes, at 9:00 tnte morning-— it finally arrived? yes, at 9:00 this morning. the— e �*" ti;r:7’ yes, at 9:00 this morning. the 30,000 e �*" ti;r:7 yes, at 9:00 this morning. the 30,000 words ont— this morning. the 30,000 words owt tron — this morning. the 30,000 words came out from the— this morning. the 30,000 words came out from the privileges conntttee. — came out from the privileges committee. yes,— came out from the privileges committee. yes, it was as much reottv— committee. yes, it was as much reottv oe— committee. yes, it was as much reottv on o— committee. yes, it was as much really as a small— committee. yes, it was as much really as a small book and it was absolutely— really as a small book and it was absolutely unequivocal in eovtng— was absolutely unequivocal in eovtng tnot— was absolutely unequivocal in eovtng tnot tnev— was absolutely unequivocal in saying that they believe that oonntttee — saying that they believe that oonntttee ,— saying that they believe that committee , by— saying that they believe that committee , by the way, a committee, by the way, a nor-onw— committee, by the way, a nor-orttv ot— committee, by the way, a majority of whom were actually ooneervottve— majority of whom were actually conservative members of permanent,— conservative members of parliament, they believe that he did parliament, they believe that he ttt tnowtngtv— parliament, they believe that he did knowingly mislead parliament. - did knowingly mislead parliament. in fact, the word nteteot— parliament. in fact, the word mislead appeared 93 times amongst— mislead appeared 93 times amongst those— mislead appeared 93 times amongst those 30,000 words. its oonetron— amongst those 30,000 words. its oonewetont te— amongst those 30,000 words. its conclusion is to— amongst those 30,000 words. its conclusion is to say— amongst those 30,000 words. its conclusion is to say that he wowtt— conclusion is to say that he wowtt nove— conclusion is to say that he would have been recommended for a would have been recommended for o ton— would have been recommended for o ton ot— would have been recommended for o ton ot eo— would have been recommended for o ton ot 90 towe— would have been recommended for a ban of 90 days had he stayed as a ban of 90 days had he stayed on on mt— a ban of 90 days had he stayed on on we ,— a ban of 90 days had he stayed as an mp , something which mps as an mp, something which mps wttt— as an mp, something which mps wttt etttt— as an mp, something which mps will still vote— as an mp, something which mps will still vote on— as an mp, something which mps will still vote on next monday ont— will still vote on next monday ent tnen— will still vote on next monday ent tnen to— will still vote on next monday and then to remove his house of common—

and then to remove his house of cornrnone pass?— and then to remove his house of cornrnone noose r— and then to remove his house of commons pass? i thought looked petty— commons pass? i thought looked oettv ot— commons pass? i thought looked oettv ot teet— commons pass? i thought looked petty at best, vindictive and nasty— petty at best, vindictive and noetv ot— petty at best, vindictive and nasty at worst.— petty at best, vindictive and nasty at worst. that was, i tntnt— nasty at worst. that was, i tntnt ,— nasty at worst. that was, i tntnt , o— nasty at worst. that was, i think, a wholly- nasty at worst. that was, i think , a wholly unnecessary and think, a wholly unnecessary and nasty— think, a wholly unnecessary and noetv .— think, a wholly unnecessary and noetv . ant— think, a wholly unnecessary and nasty . and there— think, a wholly unnecessary and nasty . and there was an element nasty. and there was an element i nasty. and there was an element r tnowgnt— nasty. and there was an element r tnowgnt totov— nasty. and there was an element i thought today of— nasty. and there was an element i thought today of remainer eveneg— i thought today of remainer revenge , people being absolutely revenge, people being absolutely tettentet— revenge, people being absolutely delighted that— revenge, people being absolutely delighted that the man at the top associated— delighted that the man at the top associated with us leaving the top associated with us leaving tne twoneon— top associated with us leaving the european union a couple of veere— the european union a couple of veore ego— the european union a couple of veore ego tnot— the european union a couple of years ago that he'd finally been toontet— years ago that he'd finally been toootet .— years ago that he'd finally been toootet . nut— years ago that he'd finally been toootet . nut r— years ago that he'd finally been toppled . but i think amidst all toppled. but i think amidst all the toppled. but i think amidst all tne eownt— toppled. but i think amidst all the sound and— toppled. but i think amidst all the sound and fury and people eovtno— the sound and fury and people saying vow— the sound and fury and people saying vow know,— the sound and fury and people saying, you know, it's been a kangaroo— saying, you know, it's been a kangaroo court— saying, you know, it's been a kangaroo court and others saying tnot— kangaroo court and others saying tnot none— kangaroo court and others saying tnot none ,— kangaroo court and others saying tnot none , vow— kangaroo court and others saying that boris , you know, really that boris, you know, really tron-t— that boris, you know, really didn't behave— that boris, you know, really didn't behave as a pm should i tntnt— didn't behave as a pm should i tntnt nost— didn't behave as a pm should i think most of— didn't behave as a pm should i think most of the— didn't behave as a pm should i think most of the debate today has think most of the debate today too meet— think most of the debate today has missed the— think most of the debate today has missed the key point because it has missed the key point because tt te— has missed the key point because tt te ott— has missed the key point because tt to we ne— has missed the key point because it is did he knowingly mislead oorttonente— it is did he knowingly mislead parliament? and— it is did he knowingly mislead parliament? and my views on this nove— parliament? and my views on this nove teen— parliament? and my views on this have been absolutely consistent . wove— have been absolutely consistent . wove o— have been absolutely consistent . wove o toot— have been absolutely consistent . have a look at— have been absolutely consistent . have a look at this clip from may— . have a look at this clip from aon we— . have a look at this clip from may tne wetn— . have a look at this clip from may the 24th, 2022. when i was in may the 24th, 2022. when i was tn tne— may the 24th, 2022. when i was tn tne etwtto— may the 24th, 2022. when i was in the studio with— may the 24th, 2022. when i was in the studio with mp peter none,— in the studio with mp peter none, t— in the studio with mp peter none, t ton-t— in the studio with mp peter bone, i don't think boris tonneon— bone, i don't think boris johnson has— bone, i don't think boris johnson has a- bone, i don't think boris johnson has a good relationship wttn— johnson has a good relationship wttn tne— johnson has a good relationship with the truth.— johnson has a good relationship with the truth. i— johnson has a good relationship with the truth. i think he did nteteot— with the truth. i think he did mislead the— with the truth. i think he did mislead the house of commons. i genwtnetv— mislead the house of commons. i genwtnetv to— mislead the house of commons. i genwtnetv to . — mislead the house of commons. i genuinely do . but— mislead the house of commons. i genuinely do . but do- mislead the house of commons. i genuinely do . t:t:::t

genuinely do. but do you think he deliberately misled? i don't. idon't. i he deliberately misled? i don't. i don't. i think he's got away. wee— i don't. i think he's got away. we got— i don't. i think he's got away. we got away— i don't. i think he's got away. he's got away with— t:t:::t" e i think he's got away. he's got away with not telling the he's got away with not telling tne trwtn— he's got away with not telling tne trwtn tn— he's got away with not telling the truth in every— he's got away with not telling the truth in every job he's done for the truth in every job he's done tor teeotee. — the truth in every job he's done for decades. ijust_ the truth in every job he's done for decades. t:t:::t" e for decades. i just don't believe he deliberately misled. i'm the privileges committee. would johnson would you trust boris johnson wttn— would you trust boris johnson wttn vow— would you trust boris johnson wttn vow teet— would you trust boris johnson with your last fiver? : with your last fiver? i would trust— with your last fiver? i would trust ntn. — with your last fiver? i would trust ntn. t— with your last fiver? i would trust him. i would trust boris johnson with the with the government country. government and the country. well, he trusts well, peter bone said he trusts the well, peter bone said he trusts tne—ot— well, peter bone said he trusts tne—or tne- well, peter bone said he trusts the of the privileges the judgement of the privileges conntttee — committee and they have been oerteettv— committee and they have been perfectly—them.- perfectly clear, all of them. they— perfectly clear, all of them. they believe _ perfectly clear, all of them. they believe that he did tnowtngtv— they believe that he did knowingly mislead parliament. wow— knowingly mislead parliament. wow-not— knowingly mislead parliament. how-not have- knowingly mislead parliament. how not have known how could he not have known that _ how could he not have known that wtne-trttove— how could he not have known that wine - fridays - other- wine time, fridays and other tntnoe— wine time, fridays and other tntnge wee— wine time, fridays and other things were going on in number 10? things were going on in number roe tn— things were going on in number roe t-n eet— things were going on in number 10? i'm sad that— things were going on in number 10? i'm sad that it's come to tne.— 10? i'm sad that it's come to tne-eet— 10? i'm sad that it's come to tne-eet tor— 10? i'm sad that it's come to this.-sad for him.- 10? i'm sad that it's come to this. sad for him. i'm sad this. i'm sad for him. i'm sad otto— this. i'm sad for him. i'm sad oteo tor— this. i'm sad for him. i'm sad also for brexit_ this. i'm sad for him. i'm sad also for brexit that this has happened— also for brexit that this has happened because i can see otreotv— happened because i can see otreotv dott— happened because i can see already dodi articles in the nutrien— already dodi articles in the guardian suggesting, oh well, tnot— guardian suggesting, oh well, now that boris— guardian suggesting, oh well, now that boris has gone, we can reverse—ott- now that boris has gone, we can reverse—did he- reverse brexit. but did he nteteot— reverse brexit. but did he mislead parliament? give me your _ mislead parliament? give me your .— mislead parliament? give me your . tange— mislead parliament? give me your . toroee ot— mislead parliament? give me your view . farage at gb— mislead parliament? give me your view . farage at gb news dot com. view. farage at gb news dot com. neoowee— view. farage at gb news dot com. neeowee tn— view. farage at gb news dot com. because i'm afraid— view. farage at gb news dot com. because i'm afraid i— view. farage at gb news dot com. because i'm afraid i do believe avtv— because i'm afraid i do believe avtv tnot— because i'm afraid i do believe tvtv tnot ne— because i'm afraid i do believe kyiv that he did.— because i'm afraid i do believe kyiv that he did. _ because i'm afraid i do believe kyiv that he did. jvftt t: 3: kyiv that he did. david maddox is a political editor of the express online . well , the express online. well, the eonntttee — express online. well, the committee were - ox well, the committee were pretty clear, werent— committee were pretty clear, vverent tnev— committee were pretty clear, weren't they ? _ committee were pretty clear, weren't they ? "t; committee were pretty clear,

weren't they ? it; rtriii committee were pretty clear, weren't they ? it; weren't they? they were pretty clear . but to weren't they? they were pretty clear. but to go back on your point , i'm clear. but to go back on your point, i'm not entirely convinced it so it's clear that he did mislead parliament and he's fessed up to that . so i'm he's fessed up to that. so i'm not convinced that he deliberately misled parliament. a lot of people aren't. and that but i think unfortunately but it's gone well beyond that. and there has been an ongoing campaign . you've referred to it campaign. you've referred to it in terms of brexit legacy. there's been an ongoing campaign since 2016 to portray boris as a habitual liar , but finally got habitual liar, but finally got the document they could do it. i mean, i saw this morning dominic grieve, michael heseltine , all grieve, michael heseltine, all the usual suspects were all out there saying, i told you so. did boris give them all did boris give themyall this did boris give them all this ammunition? _ did boris give them all this ammunition? um, well, all, i mean all self—imposed errors. so it's the enigma that is boris, isn't it? you know, it's. it's the flaws in his personality which were there. and you know

perfectly well i wasn't a great fan his government him as fan of his government and him as prime minister i thought that he it was a huge missed opportunity . i mean, basically, he got one thing right, which was to get brexit done, but it was and i thought philip davies , your your thought philip davies, your your gb news colleague and tory mp really nailed it yesterday at pmqs when he said that. but it's, you know, for me, i'm afraid it's gone well beyond whether he misled parliament deliberately or not. this is now about the legacy of brexit and about the legacy of brexit and about unpick saying it and saying it was all based on a lie and we're going to get a deluge of this from the left and boris remains boris being out of the game makes it easier for the rejoiners it does, but it also makes it easier for him to make a comeback to and within the tory party, within the tory party, i think it will. well, not this side of an election, not this side of an election, not this side of an election, not this side. in an election. but. but. but in 4 or 5 years time, i could easily see it. it's amazing. i mean, you see it

around the western world. i mean , i don't really want to compare him to silvio berlusconi, but my wife. my wife. why not? why not my wife? my wife's italian . you my wife? my wife's italian. you know, the number of times batman , for much worse things made for most remarkable comebacks. and people say, oh, it's italy. well, but you know, italy's a serious a serious serious actually a serious western democracy . and we keep western democracy. and we keep voting this man back in four times. four times these big personal motty politicians. well, and of course, have had some disastrous periods during his career and bounced and came back and u—turned on many of the things he believed in and your friend over over the atlantic i think is on the point of making a comeback as well partly fuelled by the allegations being made against him of the weaponising of a legal system as we've seen the weaponising of parliamentary procedure. the difference is that the trump base has held solid. yes. difference is that the trump base has held solid. yes . and base has held solid. yes. and much of base has held solid. yes. and neon ot tne— base has held solid. yes. and much of the johnson- “tilt: t: yes. and much of the johnson 2019 vote, you— much of the johnson 2019 vote, vow know,— much of the johnson 2019 vote, vow tnow, novte— much of the johnson 2019 vote, you know, maybe up to 40% of wet—

you know, maybe up to 40% of tnot vote— you know, maybe up to 40% of that vote doesn't— you know, maybe up to 40% of that vote doesn't really trust. nut— that vote doesn't really trust. nwt t— that vote doesn't really trust. nwt t tttnt— that vote doesn't really trust. nwt t tttnt t— that vote doesn't really trust. but i think i think— that vote doesn't really trust. but i think i think it- that vote doesn't really trust. but i think i think it could come back. i actually think it eowtt— come back. i actually think it eowtt tonne— come back. i actually think it could come back,— i i i actually think it could come back, especially otter— could come back, especially otter o— could come back, especially otter o ntt— could come back, especially after a bit of— could come back, especially after a bit of a— could come back, especially after a bit of a labour government- after a bit of a labour government and things continuing to 90— government and things continuing to go tottv. — government and things continuing to go badly. david— government and things continuing to go badly. david i tell you wtot— to go badly. david i tell you wnot, t— to go badly. david i tell you wnot, t we— to go badly. david i tell you what, i was hearing nonsense tnte— what, i was hearing nonsense tie the — what, i was hearing nonsense this time. you— what, i was hearing nonsense this time. /t:::t. what, i was hearing nonsense this time. v/tit. : this time. you know, a few days ago, would he fight the mid beds by—election? would he go for henley at the next election? the conservative party will never let him back for what he's done this an election. but this side of an election. but 3 or 4 years down the road, he could be back in politics. absolutely. is that absolutely. i think that is that is possibly true. david is quite possibly true. david maddox, you joining me maddox, thank you for joining me . mentioned the guardian . now, i mentioned the guardian earlier this column, . now, i mentioned the guardian earlcolumn, this column, . now, i mentioned the guardian earl column, it this column, . now, i mentioned the guardian earl column, it was column, . now, i mentioned the guardian earl column, it was very mn, . now, i mentioned the guardian earl column, it was very ,in, . now, i mentioned the guardian earl column, it was very , very this column, it was very, very clear martin kettle was clear what martin kettle was saying in this column. he was absolutely clear that he saw bods absolutely clear that he saw boris disappearing as really one of the biggest obstacles they could possibly be brexit was johnson, and johnson was brexit. now he is gone. britain must think again and we are going to get an absolute deluge of this. quite rightly, as david maddox said . now, brendan clarke—smith said. now, brendan clarke—smith is of parliament, is a member of parliament, conservative member of parliament, red waller from

parliament, a red waller from bassetlaw and it was brexit and bods bassetlaw and it was brexit and boris and corbyn. many other factors that got you to win that eight seat. how do you feel today about boris ? well, boris a today about boris? well, boris a huge today about boris? well, boris a nwge ornownt— today about boris? well, boris a nwge ornownt ot— today about boris? well, boris a huge amount of respect- : 57 well, boris a huge amount of respect for him ont— huge amount of respect for him ent oe— huge amount of respect for him ent oe vow— huge amount of respect for him ent oe vow eav— huge amount of respect for him and as you say, we— huge amount of respect for him and as you say, we achieved some verv— and as you say, we achieved some verv greet— and as you say, we achieved some verv greet tntnee— and as you say, we achieved some very great things there and nveett— very great things there and myself personally, i've seen some fantastic— myself personally, i've seen some fantastic things that i never thought— some fantastic things that i never thought we'd actually nonoeet— never thought we'd actually managed achieve and there was managed to achieve and there was a managed to achieve and there was oirnore— managed to achieve and there was oinoe tnot— managed to achieve and there was oirnoe tnot we— managed to achieve and there was a more that we wanted to do. a lot more that we wanted to do. ant— a lot more that we wanted to do. ant tne— a lot more that we wanted to do. ant tne reporte— a lot more that we wanted to do. and the reports come out today. t-n — and the reports come out today. t-n verv,— and the reports come out today. t-n veryv verv— and the reports come out today. i'm very, very disappointed in wet— i'm very, very disappointed in wnot-t— i'm very, very disappointed in what-i think- i'm very, very disappointed in what-i think the. what i've read. i think the disappointed— what i've read. i think the disappointed because is that it toee— disappointed because is that it toee oetwottv— disappointed because is that it does actually say— disappointed because is that it does actually say quite conclusively- does actually say quite conclusively that boris did tnowtngtv— conclusively that boris did knowingly mislead parliament. or-disappointed- knowingly mislead parliament. j or- disappointed because or are you disappointed because you think the seven them were you think the seven of them were wrong, with what wrong, disappointed with what i think the of evidence, think is the lack of evidence, the massive overreach and what i see vindictive and see as very vindictive kyiv and spiteful, actually, think. spiteful, actually, i think. and about the pass and you mentioned about the pass eortter— earlier and nigel, you understand- earlier and nigel, you understand as much as anybody the understand as much as anybody tne nwrnert— understand as much as anybody the number of— understand as much as anybody the number of times people have trtet— the number of times people have trtet to— the number of times people have tried to stitch— the number of times people have tried to stitch you— the number of times people have tried to stitch you up in nrweeete. — tried to stitch you up in brussels. by- tried to stitch you up in brussels. 5g tried to stitch you up in brussels. tried to stitch you up in- brussels. by the way, by the way, not allowed join the way, i'm not allowed to join the former meps association, so i know what it's like to be cast

out. exactly. and these kind of tntnge— out. exactly. and these kind of tntnee ore— exactly. and these kind of things are unnecessary. and i tntnt— things are unnecessary. and i think-further.- things are unnecessary. and i think further. and think it goes further. and wnotever— think it goes further. and whatever about think it goes further. and- whatever- about boris whatever you think about boris tonneon— whatever you think about boris tonneon o— whatever you think about boris tonneon o tot— whatever you think about boris johnson, a lot of— whatever you think about boris johnson, a lot of people have ent— johnson, a lot of people have eott-tnot— johnson, a lot of people have said-that actually- johnson, a lot of people have said that actually goes said today that actually it goes a said today that actually it goes o ttttte— said today that actually it goes a little .further_ said today that actually it goes a little further than it a little bit further than it enowtt— a little bit further than it enowtt to.— a little bit further than it should do. even you did think should do. even if you did think he should do. even if you did think ne—ot— should do. even if you did think ne—ot n,— should do. even if you did think he_of it, which- should do. even if you did think he of it, which which he was guilty of it, which which i he was guilty of it, which which t—ot— he was guilty of it, which which t—ot tne— he was guilty of it, which which t—ot tne eone- he was guilty of it, which which i-at the same time,i i don't. but at the same time, etern— i don't. but at the same time, ogotn no— i don't. but at the same time, ogotn t— i don't. but at the same time, again, no, i don't.— i don't. but at the same time, again, no, i don't. but the 90 tave— again, no, i don't. but the 90 tove reottv— again, no, i don't. but the 90 tove reallyv vow— again, no, i don't. but the 90 days really, you know, mean, days really, you know, i mean, you— days really, you know, i mean, you-know— days really, you know, i mean, you-know tnot- days really, you know, i mean, you know that through the you we all know that through the veere— you we all know that through the veore none-e— you we all know that through the years boris's relationship with the years boris's relationship with tne trwtn— years boris's relationship with the truth has— years boris's relationship with the truth has been pretty retovet— the truth has been pretty retovet .— the truth has been pretty relaxed , pretty relaxed. v/tit. relaxed, pretty relaxed. you know.— relaxed, pretty relaxed. you know. vow— relaxed, pretty relaxed. you know, you speak— relaxed, pretty relaxed. you know, you speak to - relaxed, pretty relaxed. you know, you speak to anybody in journalism , anybody who was at journalism, anybody who was at eton with him and he was at oxford with him. you know, he's always it's always been sort of always it's always been sort of a bit like prince harry. it's always been his truth . but always been his truth. but what's done is done , isn't it? what's done is done, isn't it? there's no going back from this. and boris can scream and shout all he likes. but do you all that. he likes. but do you david maddox thinks this is a figure that could come back in some in years time. some form in a few years time. i'd write him off. and of i'd never write him off. and of eowree-tett— i'd never write him off. and of course left parliament course he's left parliament tetore—to- course he's left parliament. before,_to become before, went away to become tonton— before, went away to become tonton-ont- before, went away to become london-and then- before, went away to become london-and then back london mayor, and then came back town.— london mayor, and then came back town-tonneon— london mayor, and then came back again.-johnson is- london mayor, and then came back again.-johnson is one- again. so boris johnson is one of again. so boris johnson is one ot tneee— again. so boris johnson is one ot tneee greet— again. so boris johnson is one of these great titans of british nottttee— of these great titans of british

politics,.global_ of these great titans of british politics, global politics, politics, of global politics, reottv— politics, of global politics, reottv oe— politics, of global politics, really as well. _ politics, of global politics, really as well. so certainly as a really as well. so certainly as o enoroeter— really as well. so certainly as a character in— really as well. so certainly as a character in the— really as well. so certainly as a character in the conservative party,— a character in the conservative parole-a— a character in the conservative tortv-o greet— a character in the conservative party, a great person to party, he's a great person to nove— party, he's a great person to nove owt— party, he's a great person to have out campaigning there. he wante— have out campaigning there. he wonte we— have out campaigning there. he wonte we to— have out campaigning there. he wants us to win— have out campaigning there. he wants us to win the next eteetton. — wants us to win the next election. he's- wants us to win the next election. he's been very clear otowt— election. he's been very clear otowt tnot. — election. he's been very clear about that. and— election. he's been very clear about that. and i— election. he's been very clear about that. and i think what we reottv— about that. and i think what we reottv neet— about that. and i think what we really need-do— about that. and i think what we really need-do is— about that. and i think what we really need do is we need to really need to do is we need to eenorote— really need to do is we need to eenorote tnte— really need to do is we need to separate this as— really need to do is we need to separate this as a— really need to do is we need to separate this as a party issue really need to do is we need to se whatt this as a party issue really need to do is we need to se what is�*iis as a party issue really need to do is we need to se what is reallya party issue really need to do is we need to se what is really one rty issue really need to do is we need to se what is really one of issue to what is really one of a committee. _ to what is really one of a committee. and it's an issue wttn— committee. and it's an issue wttn tne— committee. and it's an issue with the house— committee. and it's an issue with the house here. so i think we-rererv— with the house here. so i think we-rererv teen— with the house here. so i think we're.very keen to- with the house here. so i think we're very keen to that. we're all very keen to do that. owt— we're all very keen to do that. nwt etern— we're all very keen to do that. nwt ogotn tor— we're all very keen to do that. but again, for me,— we're all very keen to do that. but again, for me, this 90 days, tenn— but again, for me, this 90 days, town—extent- but again, for me, this 90 days, again,_extend fromi again, that's been extend from wnot— again, that's been extend from wnot-ont— again, that's been extend from what-and from - again, that's been extend from what and from the what i gather and from the toteet— what i gather and from the latest-that's- what i gather and from thej latest-that's-out what i gather and from the- latest-that's-out from latest leak that's come out from tnot— latest leak that's come out from that unnecessary— latest leak that's come out from that unnecessary and that's the tntno. — that unnecessary and that's the thing. backbenchers i get of thing. backbenchers i get all of wet,— thing. backbenchers i get all of wot-ot— thing. backbenchers i get all of that,-of that. - that, i get all of that. brenton— that, i get all of that. brendan and- that, i get all of that. brendan and we- that, i get all of that. brendan and we can agree to disagree. think he did mislead brendan and we can agree to disehouse think he did mislead brendan and we can agree to disehouse andik he did mislead brendan and we can agree to disehouse and i he did mislead brendan and we can agree to disehouse and i saidiid mislead brendan and we can agree to disehouse and i said it mislead brendan and we can agree to disehouse and i said it atislead brendan and we can agree to disehouse and i said it at thead the house and i said it at the time, but hey, but here's the point, you know, boris s stood for brexit, helped get it over the line for us to leave and then as disappointed many, many people, including brexiteers in your constituency, people who'd been labour voters for many, many years , who in the end voted many years, who in the end voted for you in 2019. they genuinely thought the numbers coming into britain would go down. they're

going through the roof . those going through the roof. those running their own little businesses genuinely expected regulations be eased. regulations to be eased. they haven't. we are i mean, haven't. i mean, we are i mean, let's face it, the tories have made a right mess of brexit, haven't they? well, i think the ewe— haven't they? well, i think the wttn— haven't they? well, i think the issue with brexit_ haven't they? well, i think the issue with brexit isn't- i e seq? well, i think the issue with brexit isn't it, treet— issue with brexit isn't it, nigel, whichever side of the notttteot— nigel, whichever side of the political spectrum on political spectrum you stood on ont— political spectrum you stood on ent-ore— political spectrum you stood on ent-ore-neontel political spectrum you stood on. and-are-people, even, and there are many people, even, even-tvtv— and there are many people, even, even-tvtv ont— and there are many people, even, even-kyiv and so- and there are many people, even, even kyiv and so you even labour, kyiv and so on, you not— even labour, kyiv and so on, you not tnoee— even labour, kyiv and so on, you had those-across- even labour, kyiv and so on, you had those across the had those leavers across the eneetrwn— had those leavers across the spectrum, - brexit - had those leavers across the spectrum, brexit gave you spectrum, but brexit gave you the spectrum, but brexit gave you tne—wottv- spectrum, but brexit gave you tne—wottv to - spectrum, but brexit gave youi the _ motty to shape the opportunity motty to shape nrttotn— the opportunity motty to shape britain _wanted| britain in the way you wanted it. britain in the way you wanted t. it— britain in the way you wanted t. it tntnt— britain in the way you wanted it..| think once— britain in the way you wanted it. i think once we did it. so i think once we did erent,— it. so i think once we did brexit, some— it. so i think once we did brexit, some people want a much more deregulation,— brexit, some people want a much more deregulation, a smaller etete— more deregulation, a smaller etete-tree— more deregulation, a smaller state, free market state, a more free market ooorooen— state, a more free market approach, some look towards more oroteettonten— approach, some look towards more nroteettonten or— approach, some look towards more protectionism or your various tntwetrtee— protectionism or your various tntwetrtee. so— protectionism or your various industries. so it's— protectionism or your various industries. so it's up to us to note— industries. so it's up to us to note o— industries. so it's up to us to note a 900d_ industries. so it's up to us to make a good job— industries. so it's up to us to make a good job of that. i think we can use covid— make a good job of that. i think we can use covid as part of an excuse, i think,— we can use covid as part of an excuse, i think, because it's a verv— excuse, i think, because it's a verv tttttewtt— excuse, i think, because it's a very difficult time— excuse, i think, because it's a very difficult time for our economy. but— very difficult time for our economy. but you can't use that toreve. -to — economy. but you can't use that forever.-to actually- economy. but you can't use that foreve more. to actually economy. but you can't use that foreve more. actually economy. but you can't use that foreve more. actl v/tit. make more. come on. you know, and i've been i've i've campaigned in your constituency. you know, you and both know a you know, you and i both know a significant number people significant number of people in bassetlaw that bassetlaw voted in that referendum, voted conservative in 2019 because they wanted the numbers coming into britain to

be they been let be reduced. they have been let down well. absolutely. about down as well. absolutely. about the down as well. absolutely. about tne tee— down as well. absolutely. about the numbers. i— down as well. absolutely. about the numbers. i know— : absolutely. about the numbers. i know we focus a lot the numbers. i know we focus a totitne— the numbers. i know we focus a totitne enou— the numbers. i know we focus a lot-the small-and- the numbers. i know we focus a lot the small and of lot on the small boats and of course that's— lot on the small boats and of course that's terrible. we need lot on the small boats and of co doe that's terrible. we need lot on the small boats and of co do something'ible. we need lot on the small boats and of co do something aboutve need lot on the small boats and of co do something about thatted to do something about that immediately— to do something about that immediately fairness immediately from a fairness notnt—ot- immediately from a fairness point—of course| point of view. but of course tt-e— point of view. but of course we tnoee — point of view. but of course it's those net— point of view. but of course it's those net migration figures tnot— it's those net migration figures tnotitoot— it's those net migration figures that-looklwhich- it's those net migration figures that look which are far, that we look at which are far, far more. now.— that we look at which are far, far more. now. we looked at etwtent— far more. now. we looked at student-and- far more. now. we looked at student and course student visas and of course trtngtng— student visas and of course trtngtng-ot- student visas and of course bringing of family members bringing a lot of family members tnot-e— bringing a lot of family members over. that's particularly a nrotten — over. that's particularly a problem now.— over. that's particularly a problem now. suella braverman over. that's particularly a protbeen�*iow. suella braverman over. that's particularly a protbeen actingiella braverman over. that's particularly a protbeen acting on a braverman over. that's particularly a protbeen acting on that./erman over. that's particularly a protbeen acting on that. you an over. that's particularly a protbeen acting on that. you see has been acting on that. you see all has been acting on that. you see at ot— has been acting on that. you see at ot tne— has been acting on that. you see all of the nasty— has been acting on that. you see all of the nasty remarks towards her all of the nasty remarks towards ner ont— all of the nasty remarks towards ner ent tnot— all of the nasty remarks towards her and that somebody else etern— her and that somebody else again, there's— her and that somebody else again, there's been this eonetont— again, there's been thisi constant-from again, there's been this- constant-from the constant campaign from the establishment— constant campaign from the establishment people establishment against people who went— establishment against people who wont-nont— establishment against people who want.fight.these_ establishment against people who want fight these kind of want to fight for these kind of tttnge— want to fight for these kind of tntngeleet— want to fight for these kind of things.iget that. _ want to fight for these kind of things. get that. so i would things. i get that. so i would say— things. i get that. so i would eov-tonneon— things. i get that. so i would say-johnson has- things. i get that. so i would say johnson has been say boris johnson has been a wetn— say boris johnson has been a vtettn ot— say boris johnson has been a victim of that— say boris johnson has been a victim of that as— say boris johnson has been a victim of that as well. okay we tott— victim of that as well. okay we can talk about— victim of that as well. okay we can talk about reports and tortvgote— can talk about reports and tortvgote ont— can talk about reports and partygate and other but partygate and other things, but this partygate and other things, but tne-gono— partygate and other things, but this-going back- partygate and other things, but this going back many this has been going back many vee— this has been going back many vene—wounonerl years. it was about wallpaper tetore— years. it was about wallpaper before—course. years. it was about wallpaper before—course ,i years. it was about wallpaper- before_course , many before that. and of course, many neonte— before that. and of course, many oeonte—ntn - before that. and of course, many oeonte—ntn tor- people never forgive him for erent. — people never forgive him for erent. nut— people never forgive him for brexit. but this— people never forgive him for brexit. but this i- people never forgive him for brexit. gzi brexit. but this i know i get that, which is what what angers me is why he's given so much ammunition to his enemies. a final thought , if i can. rishi final thought, if i can. rishi made five big pledges at the minute. failing, minute. all five are failing, aren't getting aren't they? well, he's getting there. ithink inflation. there. i think with inflation. tnot-e— there. i think with inflation.

that's-coming- “tiii i think with inflation. that's coming down. stiii i think with inflation. that's coming down. the that's that's coming down. the toettoe— that's that's coming down. the backlog-coming— that's that's coming down. the backlog coming down as well. backlog is coming down as well. snott— backlog is coming down as well. enott toote. — backlog is coming down as well. small boats. there's of small boats. there's lots of ntone— small boats. there's lots of ntone-tnere. - small boats. there's lots of plans-there. the. small boats. there's lots of- plans-there. the rwanda plans that are there. the rwanda enee— plans that are there. the rwanda eenene-ant— plans that are there. the rwandai scheme -and-hoping scheme as well. and we're hoping to-teotetotton— scheme as well. and we're hoping to legislation through to get the legislation through to get the legislation through to—eonetntng- to actually do something about wot.— to actually do something about wot-owe— to actually do something about ttot-otve ntn- to actually do something about that.-give him a- to actually do something about that. give him a bit that. so i think give him a bit of that. so i think give him a bit ot o— that. so i think give him a bit ot o conten— that. so i think give him a bit of a chance. rome— that. so i think give him a bit of a chance. rome wasn't built in of a chance. rome wasn't built tn o— of a chance. rome wasn't built tn o tav— of a chance. rome wasn't built tn o davv owt— of a chance. rome wasn't built tn o davv twt we— of a chance. rome wasn't built in a day, but we don't have we ton-t— in a day, but we don't have we ton-t nove— in a day, but we don't have we don't have that— in a day, but we don't have we don't have that much time teeowee— don't have that much time because the— don't have that much time because the elections coming up and because the elections coming up ent—rt.- because the elections coming up ent—rt. or- and we want to win it. of t-tt— and we want to win it. of course, i'll try— and we want to win it. of course, i'll try and give him a bit course, i'll try and give him a at ot— course, i'll try and give him a at ot o— course, i'll try and give him a bit of a chance,— course, i'll try and give him a bit of a chance, i— course, i'll try and give him a bit of a chance, i promise. twent— bit of a chance, i promise. ttnnt vow— bit of a chance, i promise. tnont vow verv— bit of a chance, i promise. thank you very much- bit of a chance, i promise. thank you very much indeed. in a moment, we're going get moment, we're going to get a very, very different view. paul coney is going to join me, former the sunday former editor of the sunday mirror and a biographer on boris

investigating completely tttterent— investigating completely different things . titi different things. the police wttn-t— different things. the police didn't conclude that boris johnson didn't do anything wrong . well, as ever, a debate about bods . well, as ever, a debate about boris johnson raises some really very strong feelings. i boris johnson raises some really very strong feelings . i asked very strong feelings. i asked you, did he mislead- ttig g ”titie 93 i asked you, did he mislead parliament? wret— you, did he mislead parliament? wtet eave— you, did he mislead parliament? wtet eove ot— you, did he mislead parliament? nick says, of course he misled torttonent. — nick says, of course he misled parliament. boris— nick says, of course he misled parliament. boris has been shady wttn— parliament. boris has been shady wttn tne— parliament. boris has been shady with the truth,— parliament. boris has been shady with the truth, but— parliament. boris has been shady with the truth, but this time it's with the truth, but this time we corne— with the truth, but this time it's come back— with the truth, but this time it's come back like a boomerang . tn— it's come back like a boomerang . t-n ne— it's come back like a boomerang . t-n ne eon— it's come back like a boomerang . i'm sure he can build back better— . i'm sure he can build back better we— . i'm sure he can build back better his career— . i'm sure he can build back better his career in journalism , tnowen. — better his career in journalism , tnowgn. wett— better his career in journalism , though. well, whether it's towrnotten — , though. well, whether it's towrnotten .— , though. well, whether it's journalism , giving speeches, i'm

journalism, giving speeches, i'm ne— journalism, giving speeches, i'm ne won-t— journalism, giving speeches, i'm sure he won't struggle, ryan eave— sure he won't struggle, ryan eove .— sure he won't struggle, ryan eove . wnttet— sure he won't struggle, ryan says . whilst i— sure he won't struggle, ryan says . whilst i find boris to be says. whilst i find boris to be an says. whilst i find boris to be on onwetng— says. whilst i find boris to be an amusing character, i do have to agree— an amusing character, i do have to agree tnot— an amusing character, i do have to agree that he— an amusing character, i do have to agree that he misled parliament.— to agree that he misled parliament. whether this was tntenttonot— parliament. whether this was intentional is— parliament. whether this was intentional is another question . tn— intentional is another question . t-n not— intentional is another question . t-n not vet— intentional is another question . i'm not yet certain much the noettton— . i'm not yet certain much the noettton tnot— . i'm not yet certain much the position that david maddox came up position that david maddox came wn wttn— position that david maddox came wo wttn ttttott— position that david maddox came up with, elliott says absolutely not.— up with, elliott says absolutely not. we— up with, elliott says absolutely not. we we— up with, elliott says absolutely not. he was prime— up with, elliott says absolutely not. he was prime minister and worttng— not. he was prime minister and worttng tong— not. he was prime minister and working long hours in number ten tnrowgn— working long hours in number ten tnrowgn tne— working long hours in number ten through the pandemic, and i'd twttv— through the pandemic, and i'd twttv expect— through the pandemic, and i'd twttv evneet e— through the pandemic, and i'd fully expect a different rule for fully expect a different rule tor tnoee— fully expect a different rule for those guys.— fully expect a different rule for those guys. they were eotteegwee— for those guys. they were colleagues and a unique wortnteee— colleagues and a unique workplace and a unique situation to eonttete— workplace and a unique situation to conflate this— workplace and a unique situation to conflate this with partying wntte— to conflate this with partying wntte tne— to conflate this with partying while the rest— to conflate this with partying while the rest of— to conflate this with partying while the rest of us solemnly oteerve— while the rest of us solemnly oteerve tne— while the rest of us solemnly observe the rules— while the rest of us solemnly observe the rules is crazy. wett— observe the rules is crazy. well, elliott,— observe the rules is crazy. well, elliott, all i will say to you— well, elliott, all i will say to vow te— well, elliott, all i will say to vow te tne— well, elliott, all i will say to you is this, that— well, elliott, all i will say to you is this, that on day one of tetng— you is this, that on day one of tetng en— you is this, that on day one of tetng en attr— you is this, that on day one of being an mep back in 1999, one tntng— being an mep back in 1999, one tntng wee— being an mep back in 1999, one thing was made— being an mep back in 1999, one thing was made very clear to me i thing was made very clear to me t-nroteet— thing was made very clear to me t-nroteet ee— thing was made very clear to me i-protest as loudly- thing was made very clear to me i protest as loudly as i i could protest as loudly as i waned,— i could protest as loudly as i wanted, twt— i could protest as loudly as i wanted, but it— i could protest as loudly as i wanted, but it would be very ot— wanted, but it would be very unwise of-as_ wanted, but it would be very unwise of as somebody who was unwise of me as somebody who was now—te— unwise of me as somebody who was now—we e— unwise of me as somebody who was now—we e tew- now a lawmaker to be a law tweeter.— now a lawmaker to be a law tweeter. ant— now a lawmaker to be a law breaker. and actually i think tnet— breaker. and actually i think we wee— breaker. and actually i think that was pretty— breaker. and actually i think that was pretty good advice. and egetn— that was pretty good advice. and egetn .— that was pretty good advice. and egetn , ten— that was pretty good advice. and again , ben elliott,— that was pretty good advice. and again , ben elliott, with again, ben elliott, with reeneet— again, ben elliott, with respect, you're missing the notnt—etoth point. this isn't about partying-— point. this isn't about partying- it's- point. this isn't about partying. it's about whether he tnowtngtv— partying. it's about whether he knowingly misled parliament. now:— knowingly misled parliament. wow, vowve—

knowingly misled parliament. now, you've heard those already on the— now, you've heard those already on the enow— now, you've heard those already on this show tonight who support none— on this show tonight who support none tonneon— on this show tonight who support boris johnson strongly. well one wno— boris johnson strongly. well one man who doesn't— boris johnson strongly. well one man who doesn't is paul conway, torner— man who doesn't is paul conway, torner etttor— man who doesn't is paul conway, former editor of— man who doesn't is paul conway, former editor of the— man who doesn't is paul conway, former editor of the sunday annot— former editor of the sunday tatnor—ot- former editor of the sunday mirror—of boris. mirror and author of boris tonneon— mirror and author of boris johnson media— mirror and author of boris johnson media creation media ctown— johnson media creation media ctown wette— johnson media creation media clown, media casualty . paul, clown, media casualty. paul, eo—ewtnor— clown, media casualty. paul, co—author nigel— clown, media casualty. paul, co—author nigel had fellow distinguished— co—author nigel had fellow distinguished authors. �*ftt�*tiee distinguished authors. well, when— distinguished authors. well, when promotions— distinguished authors. well, when promotions offered just take it know paul in the sense he's not a media casualty . he's he's not a media casualty. he's sort of almost a truth- it: i he's sort of almost a truth casualty ten-t— sort of almost a truth casualty ten-t nee — sort of almost a truth casualty isn't he? he's— sort of almost a truth casualty isn't he? he's been- sort of almost a truth casualty isn't he? ti " t: sort of almost a truth casualty isn't he? ti " r: 9 cs isn't he? he's been found guilty as charged. the narcissistic charlatan has been caught out and finally found guilty . you and finally found guilty. you really dislike him, don't- vit�*t: �*7 : t; you really dislike him, don't you? i tntnt— really dislike him, don't you? i tntnt t— really dislike him, don't you? i think i think— really dislike him, don't you? i think i think he's— really dislike him, don't you? i think i think he's a proven liar for think i think he's a proven liar tor eo— think i think he's a proven liar tor eo nenv— think i think he's a proven liar for so many years. _ think i think he's a proven liar for so many years. ' think i think he's a proven liar for so many years. “t: think i think he's a proven liar for so many years. ' for so many years. and you know, and whether you were a remainer or a leaver , he has failed over or a leaver, he has failed over brexit, either through through cynical lying or because he didn't even understand and the complexities of brexit. that is the problem . um, and i think and the problem. um, and i think and i think he has been found out

there is finally found out. there is a point here actually ten-t— there is a point here actually ten-t tnee— there is a point here actually isn't there, if— there is a point here actually isn't there, if you— there is a point here actually isn't there, if you take the enotton— isn't there, if you take the emotion out— isn't there, if you take the emotion out of— isn't there, if you take the emotion out of it. it's very tntereettng— emotion out of it. it's very interesting when americans look at interesting when americans look et wnet-e— interesting when americans look et wnet-e gotng— interesting when americans look at what's going on, they say, wett— at what's going on, they say, wen, now,— at what's going on, they say, wen, now, vow— at what's going on, they say, well, how, you know, how can tnte— well, how, you know, how can the happen?— well, how, you know, how can the happen? t— well, how, you know, how can this happen? i mean, how can eonetotv— this happen? i mean, how can- somebody—office somebody be removed from office for somebody be removed from office torrne-en rt— somebody be removed from office for-mean, if this- for lying? i mean, if this neooenet— for lying? i mean, if this happened washington, there'd happened in washington, there'd be happened in washington, there'd toe—ant— happened in washington, there'd toe—ant t— happened in washington, there'd be_and i thought,. be no one left. and i thought, eetwettv— be no one left. and i thought, eetwettvlvow— be no one left. and i thought, actually,.you-the- actually, if you take the enotton — actually, if you take the emotion-it,- actually, if you take the. emotion-it,-fact actually, if you take the- emotion-it,-fact that emotion out of it, the fact that a emotion out of it, the fact that e-wtnteter— emotion out of it, the fact that a-minister has- emotion out of it, the fact that a minister has been found a prime minister has been found to neve— a prime minister has been found to have misled— a prime minister has been found to have misled parliament it and tneretore— to have misled parliament it and tneretore te— to have misled parliament it and therefore is out— to have misled parliament it and therefore is out of— to have misled parliament it and therefore is out of politics wnt— therefore is out of politics ttnt ot— therefore is out of politics kind of almost— therefore is out of politics kind of almost shows our system woret— kind of almost shows our system woret toeen-t— kind of almost shows our system works, doesn't it? _ kind of almost shows our system works, doesn't it? i e works, doesn't it? in a way it teee— works, doesn't it? in a way it teee .— works, doesn't it? in a way it does . and what struck me about does. and what struck me about some of boris language, i, i almost think he and trump are morphing into into each other is it's almost like boris was borrowed from the trump playbook. you mean his attack teet— playbook. you mean his attack teet erec— playbook. you mean his attack back btec today?— you mean his attack back btec today? well he he is noettng— back btec today? well he he is noettng ent— back btec today? well he he is mocking and deriding. “t: mocking and deriding. and you know— mocking and deriding. and you know tneee— mocking and deriding. and you know these in— mocking and deriding. and you know these in trump's case it's the judicial system . in boris's the judicial system. in boris's case, it's the parliamentary system . but it is a contempt you system. but it is a contempt you know, for propriety. and boris

has always had contempt for propriety. and has always had contempt for propriety . and yet and yet he propriety. and yet and yet he tne— propriety. and yet and yet he was the conservative - tint and yet and yet he was the conservative leader . he was the conservative leader. he nette— was the conservative leader. he nete e— was the conservative leader. he nete e ttg— was the conservative leader. he made a big call— was the conservative leader. he made a big call on— was the conservative leader. he made a big call on brexit, rtgnttv— made a big call on brexit, rtgnttv or— made a big call on brexit, rightly or wrongly, he backed the rightly or wrongly, he backed tne erent— rightly or wrongly, he backed the brexit decision in the referendum _ the brexit decision in the referendum .— the brexit decision in the referendum . he led the referendum. he led the conservatives- referendum. he led the conservatives to a very, very big— conservatives to a very, very ttg netorttv— conservatives to a very, very ttg netorttv .— conservatives to a very, very big majority , their biggest in big majority, their biggest in es— big majority, their biggest in over 35 years,— big majority, their biggest in over 35 years, and he still has gwtte— over 35 years, and he still has gwtte e— over 35 years, and he still has gwtte e oteee— over 35 years, and he still has quite a place in— over 35 years, and he still has quite a place in the history boote— quite a place in the history books, doesn't— quite a place in the history books, doesn't he? yes, he does. wnetner— books, doesn't he? yes, he does. wnetner rte— books, doesn't he? yes, he does. whether it's whether— books, doesn't he? yes, he does. whether it's whether it's- books, doesn't he? yes, he does. whether it's whether it's a- whether it's whether it's a place of fame or infamy is an argument. but you and i have long disagreed on brexit, even though i'm a believer who did predict leave winning the referenda. um, after my own red wall research , as you know. but wall research, as you know. but but , but we know wall research, as you know. but but, but we know and i wall research, as you know. but but , but we know and i know from but, but we know and i know from people who know boris well , he people who know boris well, he wasn't really a brexiteer at heart or by conviction in boris saw going for brexit as the passport to his sense of entitlement to be tory leader and prime minister that that and well you could argue people close to him, you could argue that's good political judgement

. you could you could argue it's evnteet— you could you could argue it's cynical opportunism, cynical and ooportwntette. — cynical opportunism, cynical and opportunistic. but— cynical opportunism, cynical and opportunistic. but it— cynical opportunism, cynical and opportunistic. i opportunistic. but it works. but it works. it works. and - opportunistic. e it works. and i'm it works. it works. and i'm gretetwt— it works. it works. and i'm gretetwt to— it works. it works. and i'm grateful to him _ e it works. and i'm grateful to him because he netnet— grateful to him because he netnet we— grateful to him because he netnet we get— grateful to him because he helped us get it over the line. pewt— helped us get it over the line. new row— helped us get it over the line. paul you know,— helped us get it over the line. paul you know, i— helped us get it over the line. paul you know, i talked earlier on etowt— paul you know, i talked earlier on etowt tne— paul you know, i talked earlier on about the martin kettle piece in on about the martin kettle piece tn tne— on about the martin kettle piece in the guardian.— on about the martin kettle piece in the guardian. i— on about the martin kettle piece in the guardian. i talked about etenente— in the guardian. i talked about etenente ot— in the guardian. i talked about elements of remainer revenge, ent—ot- elements of remainer revenge,- ent—ot-totev and there was some of that today and there was some of that today enevent-— and there was some of that today enevent- vow— and there was some of that today and-even you would- and there was some of that today and even you would agree, and surely even you would agree, renovtng— and surely even you would agree, renvorettv— and surely even you would agree, remtpretty vindictive. well, was pretty vindictive. well, tnet-e— was pretty vindictive. well, tnet-eione— was pretty vindictive. well, that's-one part- was pretty vindictive. well, that's one part the of that's the one part of the of totev— that's the one part of the of totev tnet— that's the one part of the of today that surprised me i tnowgnt— today that surprised me i thought-90- today that surprised me i thought 90 day well you know thought the 90 day well you know ettnowgn— thought the 90 day well you know although frankly— thought the 90 day well you know although frankly his academic as he although frankly his academic as ne—en— although frankly his academic as ne—en atr— although frankly his academic as ne—en wr-weei he resigned as an mp which was in he resigned as an mp which was tn tteett— he resigned as an mp which was tn tteett en— he resigned as an mp which was in itself an act— he resigned as an mp which was in itself an act of— he resigned as an mp which was in itself an act of cowardice he eowtt— in itself an act of cowardice he could—parliament could have gone to parliament ent— could have gone to parliament ent-ne— could have gone to parliament ent-nte ee- could have gone to parliament and-his case. - could have gone to parliament and-his case. he- could have gone to parliament and his case. ti i and argued his case. he chose not-t— and argued his case. he chose not i think, was not to. that i think, was cowardly . and of course, we cowardly. and of course, we haven't, as far as i know yet seen boris, apart from out joggingv seen boris, apart from out jogging, facing long jogging, actually facing long questions, appearing on camera. no, we haven't . and i'm not sure no, we haven't. and i'm not sure we— no, we haven't. and i'm not sure we we— no, we haven't. and i'm not sure we we wtt— no, we haven't. and i'm not sure that we will in— no, we haven't. and i'm not sure that we will in the— no, we haven't. and i'm not sure that we will in the short term. twt— that we will in the short term. nwt ttnet— that we will in the short term. but final thought, paul, and an tnnortent— but final thought, paul, and an tnoortent one— but final thought, paul, and an important one with boris gone, toee— important one with boris gone, toee tnet— important one with boris gone, does that make _ important one with boris gone, does that make the campaign wttntn— does that make the campaign within parliament and within gwtte— within parliament and within gwtte terge— within parliament and within quite large elements of the tonton— quite large elements of the london based— quite large elements of the london based media, does it make tnetr— london based media, does it make tnetr eenoetgn— london based media, does it make their campaign to— london based media, does it make

their campaign to overturn erent— their campaign to overturn brexit more— their campaign to overturn brexit more powerful? arguably vee. — brexit more powerful? arguably vee. t— brexit more powerful? arguably vee. t neen— brexit more powerful? arguably vee. t tn— brexit more powerful? arguably yes. i mean, i'm in- brexit more powerful? arguably yes. i i brexit more powerful? arguably yes. i yes. i mean, i'm in the short term. i don't favour a, you know, a second referendum. but i do think we need to build closer relations ships. and on that respect, i mean, the one thing about sunak is that he isn't bods about sunak is that he isn't boris johnson. he isn't liz truss and i think he has is a pragmatist approach . we do need pragmatist approach. we do need to build better relations with the eu because brexit isn't working as we're seeing from, from the impact economically and in the labour market. we've not had good relations— in the labour market. we've not had good relations with- i ” we've not had good relations with many of tnoee— had good relations with many of those european— had good relations with many of those european countries for etowt— those european countries for etowt e— those european countries for about a thousand years. true. twt— about a thousand years. true. nwt trwe. — about a thousand years. true. nwt trwe. twt— about a thousand years. true. but true. but but, but. but. the eu have relationship there worked. it had its problems. but it. but it worked. and as i said before , whether you're before, whether you're a believer or a remainer , boris believer or a remainer, boris has failed . there is has failed. there is considerable- has failed. there is- considerable disappointment. rewr— considerable disappointment. rewt tnent— considerable disappointment. paul thank you. _ considerable disappointment. paul thank you. pleasure. well, tnere— paul thank you. pleasure. well, tnere we— paul thank you. pleasure. well, tnere we — paul thank you. pleasure. well, there we are. that's gb news. vow— there we are. that's gb news. vow eee— there we are. that's gb news. vow vow— there we are. that's gb news. you see, you hear— there we are. that's gb news. you see, you hear both sides of tne— you see, you hear both sides of tne ergwnent— you see, you hear both sides of the argument, both put with neeeton— the argument, both put with oeeeton on— the argument, both put with oeeeton t— the argument, both put with passion on. i have to say, my eonewetont— passion on. i have to say, my conclusion from _ passion on. i have to say, my conclusion from all of this is

wet— conclusion from all of this is twet wnet— conclusion from all of this is twet wnet e— conclusion from all of this is just what a terrible , terrible just what a terrible, terrible weete— just what a terrible, terrible weete .— just what a terrible, terrible weete . an— just what a terrible, terrible waste . an 80— just what a terrible, terrible waste . an 80 seat majority . the waste. an 80 seat majority. the centen— waste. an 80 seat majority. the eeneen to— waste. an 80 seat majority. the eeneen to get— waste. an 80 seat majority. the chance to get brexit over the tne.— chance to get brexit over the ttne. a— chance to get brexit over the ttne. a eowntrv— chance to get brexit over the line. a country that was really nontng— line. a country that was really nontng ent— line. a country that was really hoping and believing that that next— hoping and believing that that brexit would— hoping and believing that that brexit would lead to a new, teen— brexit would lead to a new, fresh, different— brexit would lead to a new, fresh, different kind of route.— fresh, different kind of politics. and - fresh, different kind of politics. and it's all been the noet— politics. and it's all been the most terrible,— politics. and it's all been the most terrible, terrible disappointment, disappointment for disappointment, disappointment tor ntn — disappointment, disappointment tor ntn on— disappointment, disappointment tor ntn on e— disappointment, disappointment for him on a personal level, for ne— for him on a personal level, for me as a leaver and— for him on a personal level, for me as a leaver and for the eowntrv— me as a leaver and for the eowntrv ee— me as a leaver and for the eowntrv ee e— me as a leaver and for the country as a whole. now liz nwee— country as a whole. now liz trwee nev— country as a whole. now liz truss may have— country as a whole. now liz truss may have only been prime tatnteter— truss may have only been prime tatnteter tor— truss may have only been prime minister for 49— truss may have only been prime minister for 49 days, but can you— minister for 49 days, but can vow tetteve— minister for 49 days, but can you believe that— minister for 49 days, but can you believe that interest rates are now higher— you believe that interest rates are now higher than they were in the are now higher than they were in tne vete— are now higher than they were in tne wete ot— are now higher than they were in the wake of her— are now higher than they were in the wake of her and kwasi mini—budget?— the wake of her and kwasi mini—budget? we were told they had mini—budget? we were told they net ett— mini—budget? we were told they net ett tne— mini—budget? we were told they had all the policies wrong. in a moment— had all the policies wrong. in a nornent .— had all the policies wrong. in a nornent , tn— had all the policies wrong. in a moment, i'm joined by liam wetttgen— moment, i'm joined by liam netttgen ent— moment, i'm joined by liam halligan and i— moment, i'm joined by liam halligan and i dare to ask, eowtt— halligan and i dare to ask, eowtt rt— halligan and i dare to ask, eowtt tt te— halligan and i dare to ask, could it be that— halligan and i dare to ask, could it be that liz truss was eetwettv— could it be that liz truss was eetwettv on— could it be that liz truss was actually on the— could it be that liz truss was actually on the right track

be gb news the people's channel. nrttetn-e— be gb news the people's channel. nrttetn-e neew— be gb news the people's channel. nrttetn-e .— be gb news the people's channel. i " think britain's news. channel think back to last autumn- britain's news. channel think back to last autumn .- britain's news. channel think back to last autumn . it- i " think back to last autumn . it was the back to last autumn. it was the ntnt—twtget— back to last autumn. it was the mini—budget, wasn't it? kwasi twerteng— mini—budget, wasn't it? kwasi twerteng .— mini—budget, wasn't it? kwasi twerteng , ot— mini—budget, wasn't it? kwasi kwarteng , of course, as kwarteng, of course, as chancellor— kwarteng, of course, as chancellor of- kwarteng, of course, as chancellor of the exchequer , liz

chancellor of the exchequer, liz twee— chancellor of the exchequer, liz twee tne — chancellor of the exchequer, liz truss, the new— chancellor of the exchequer, liz truss, the new prime minister, ent— truss, the new prime minister, ent tnev— truss, the new prime minister, and they dared— truss, the new prime minister, and they dared .— truss, the new prime minister, and they dared . they dared. they and they dared. they dared. they wentet— and they dared. they dared. they wentet to— and they dared. they dared. they wanted to reduce— and they dared. they dared. they wanted to reduce the size of the etete— wanted to reduce the size of the etete. cen— wanted to reduce the size of the etete. cen vow— wanted to reduce the size of the state. can you believe it? they wentet— state. can you believe it? they wentet to— state. can you believe it? they wanted to cut— state. can you believe it? they wanted to cut taxes. well, this wowtt— wanted to cut taxes. well, this wowtt never— wanted to cut taxes. well, this would never do. _ wanted to cut taxes. well, this would never do. good lord, no. wo— would never do. good lord, no. to. tne— would never do. good lord, no. no. the international monetary twnt— no. the international monetary twnt ntt— no. the international monetary twnt ntt owt— no. the international monetary fund hit out the— no. the international monetary fund hit out the white house. rotten-e— fund hit out the white house. biden's white— fund hit out the white house. biden's white house hit out neweoeoer— biden's white house hit out newspaper headline everywhere, tetttng— newspaper headline everywhere, tetttng etowt— newspaper headline everywhere, talking about rising interest etee— talking about rising interest rates, catastrophe for people wttn — rates, catastrophe for people wttn nortgegee— rates, catastrophe for people with mortgages as truss had oreenet— with mortgages as truss had oreenet tne— with mortgages as truss had crashed the economy. it was a tteeeter— crashed the economy. it was a tteeeter .— crashed the economy. it was a disaster . kwarteng crashed the economy. it was a disaster. kwarteng had to go. ant— disaster. kwarteng had to go. ant tnee— disaster. kwarteng had to go. ant tnen ot— disaster. kwarteng had to go. and then, of course , in turn, and then, of course, in turn, trwee— and then, of course, in turn, trwee went— and then, of course, in turn, trwee went ee— and then, of course, in turn, truss went as well . but that's truss went as well. but that's otev— truss went as well. but that's otev teewee— truss went as well. but that's okay because then the grown ups teet— okay because then the grown ups teet tn— okay because then the grown ups were back in the— okay because then the grown ups were back in the room . it was were back in the room. it was all were back in the room. it was ett gotng— were back in the room. it was ett gotng to— were back in the room. it was ett gotng to te— were back in the room. it was all going to be fine . well, i all going to be fine. well, i e etete— all going to be fine. well, i saw a piece in— all going to be fine. well, i saw a piece in today's daily tetegreon— saw a piece in today's daily telegraph that— saw a piece in today's daily telegraph that i— saw a piece in today's daily telegraph that i thought was retner— telegraph that i thought was rather interesting. alister weetn— rather interesting. alister heath wrote _ rather interesting. alister heath wrote an article. there's a heath wrote an article. there's e nortgege— heath wrote an article. there's a mortgage catastrophe coming and a mortgage catastrophe coming ent rt— a mortgage catastrophe coming ent tt wtt— a mortgage catastrophe coming and it will prove— a mortgage catastrophe coming and it will prove liz truss was rtgnt. — and it will prove liz truss was rtgnt. wett— and it will prove liz truss was right. well, this— and it will prove liz truss was right. well, this is— and it will prove liz truss was right. well, this is very unconventional thinking, is it note— unconventional thinking, is it not? tten — unconventional thinking, is it not? liam halligan gb news is economics and— not? liam halligan gb news is economics and business editor. so economics and business editor. so ee— economics and business editor. so ee t— economics and business editor. so ee t eev— economics and business editor. so ee t save tne— economics and business editor. so as i say, the grown ups took

, twt— so as i say, the grown ups took over , but nothing— so as i say, the grown ups took over , but nothing they've done over, but nothing they've done is over, but nothing they've done te worttng— over, but nothing they've done te worttng .— over, but nothing they've done te worttng . te— over, but nothing they've done is working. is it? _ over, but nothing they've done is working. is it? \rirri over, but nothing they've done is working . is it? \rirri over, but nothing they've done is working. is it? \tirnt git is working. is it? now we've got higher government borrowing costs than we had at the time of the liz truss kwasi kwarteng budget . even though liz truss budget. even though liz truss and kwasi kwarteng were trying to cut taxes or perhaps because they were trying to cut taxes and their policies were designed to bolster growth , this this is to bolster growth, this this is where high finance meets low politics isn't it? the kind of stuff that we're talking about now? it needs to be unpacked a little bit. so what's actually happening? so last autumn at the time of the mini—budget when prime minister truss, chancellor kwarteng, they came out with their plans, they hadn't showed them the office for budget them to the office for budget responsibility, hadn't responsibility, they hadn't shared bank of shared them with the bank of england. all the establishment was miffed these was pretty miffed with these renegade leaders and they started talking down the british economy. the bank of england started selling bonds into the market, more market, making life more difficult government and difficult for the government and what we call the gilt yield. the amount of money the government must on must pay to borrow on international is shot up

international markets is shot up to 6.4.6 3. nigel at its peak. well, today when i just checked , it was 4.9. so financial markets think that the finance rs of this country are more rickety now than they were. and yet at the time of and yet- i and yet at the time of and yet liz trwee— yet at the time of and yet liz trwee ent— yet at the time of and yet liz truss and kwasi— yet at the time of and yet liz truss and kwasi kwarteng , the truss and kwasi kwarteng, the gtotettet— truss and kwasi kwarteng, the globalist elites— truss and kwasi kwarteng, the globalist elites and the imf and eventing,— globalist elites and the imf and evervtntng, ee— globalist elites and the imf and everything, are they i mean the neetttnee— everything, are they i mean the headlines are— everything, are they i mean the headlines are now— everything, are they i mean the headlines are now it's difficult to get— headlines are now it's difficult to get tnte— headlines are now it's difficult to get this story— headlines are now it's difficult to get this story out on british tetevteton. — to get this story out on british television. it— to get this story out on british television. it is. _ to get this story out on british television. e ' t: to get this story out on british television. e “t: television. it is. and i think only you and i and jacob rees—mogg and i were discussing it last night as well. look at where we are. the bank of england is going come in for england is going to come in for a of criticism the a world of criticism over the next few why why? because next few days. why why? because in america, inflation is 4, nigel. it's down at 4. and the federal reserve has just taken a month off from raising interest rates. we will get our inflation ttgwree—we- rates. we will get our inflation ttgwree—we geti rates. we will get our inflation figures—we get our figures next week. we get our inflation figures week. inflation figures next week. they're likely to be well at 8.7. and we are definitely 8.7. now and we are definitely going interest rate going to see an interest rate rise. even the ecb inflation in the 6.1, a lot less the eurozone is 6.1, a lot less than it is here. and this is the

problem. you have of all this arcane talk about gilt yields and inflation rates and all the rest of it. but the reality is, the reality is it's hitting the mortgage market and there are lots of people, about 120,000 people a month. they're coming off rate deals those off fixed rate deals and those fixed rate deals, they got to three, five years ago when interest low. interest rates were ultra low. they're interest they're now facing interest rates of five, 6% and more, a massive increase. young family with a mortgage, with kids, with child care costs. i don't want to spread alarm, but this is we have to start thinking and talking about this. i'm afraid we're talking about this. i'm afraid gotng— talking about this. i'm afraid gotng to— talking about this. i'm afraid we're going to be— talking about this. i'm afraid we're going to be back- t; i'm afraid we're going to be back to house repossessions and— we're going to be back to house repossessions and many wnnteeeent— repossessions and many unpleasant things and the etteettve— unpleasant things and the effective - of - unpleasant things and the effective of living in a effective cost of living in a nowee— effective cost of living in a house now with— effective cost of living in a house now with a mortgage property— house now with a mortgage property-mav- house now with a mortgage- property-may-fallen property prices may have fallen a property prices may have fallen e—etteettve- property prices may have fallen a_effective cost- property prices may have fallen a_effective cost of. a bit, but the effective cost of ttvtng— a bit, but the effective cost of ttvtng tn— a bit, but the effective cost of ttvtng tn e— a bit, but the effective cost of living in a house— a bit, but the effective cost of living in a house on borrowed nonev— living in a house on borrowed nonev te— living in a house on borrowed nonev te gotng— living in a house on borrowed money is going through the roof. it money is going through the roof. tt te— money is going through the roof. tt te tnteet— money is going through the roof. it is indeed. and— money is going through the roof. it is indeed. and it's— money is going through the roof. it is indeed. and it's not- it is indeed. and it's not just people mortgages, people with mortgages, it's people with mortgages, it's people you are people you know, if you are lucky enough to own house, lucky enough to own a house, fair of us don't fair enough. a lot of us don't these people with personal these days, people with personal debts, those are on debts, a lot of those are on

variable rates, too. but, you know, i often emails from gb know, i often get emails from gb news viewers and listeners telegraph readers telegraph off readers of my column say, oh, back in telegraph off readers of my collday, say, oh, back in telegraph off readers of my collday, we say, oh, back in telegraph off readers of my collday, we had say, oh, back in telegraph off readers of my collday, we had interesti, back in telegraph off readers of my collday, we had interest ratesk in my day, we had interest rates 13, 14, 15. what are these young people worrying about? they should avocados, should eat fewer avocados, sandwiches. go to sandwiches. they should go to ibiza less. but guess ibiza a bit less. but guess what, nigel? today's young people a lot more for their people paid a lot more for their houses as a percentage of their annual incomes. houses are now eight and a half, nine times average incomes . so the amount average incomes. so the amount of money people are spending on their rent, spending on their mortgages , today's 25 to 34 year mortgages, today's 25 to 34 year olds higher than any generation since the 1930, badly delivered too much at once, but very quickly was liz truss on the right track? she was on the rtgnt— right track? she was on the rtgnt treet— right track? she was on the right track, but— right track? she was on the right track, but she- ” t; i7 she was on the right track, but she made some etenenterv— right track, but she made some elementary errors,— right track, but she made some elementary errors, a bit like none— elementary errors, a bit like none reettv— elementary errors, a bit like boris, really. _ elementary errors, a bit like boris, really. so- elementary errors, a bit like boris, really. “sti elementary errors, a bit like boris, really. ti boris, really. so much potential and what she was trying to do wasn't radical. she was trying to the top rate of tax back to get the top rate of tax back to get the top rate of tax back to where it was under tony blair. she was trying get the blair. she was trying to get the economy, tax as a share of economy, see tax as a share of gdp, one percentage point lower

back where it was in 2019. and look how they treated- i i " �*ql and look how they treated her. well, wnet— look how they treated her. well, we better— look how they treated her. well, what better evening could there be tten— what better evening could there be tnen tor— what better evening could there be than for liz— what better evening could there be than for liz truss herself to ion— be than for liz truss herself to on on— be than for liz truss herself to on on tewe— be than for liz truss herself to join gb news with— be than for liz truss herself to join gb news with dan wootton wttn— join gb news with dan wootton wttn e— join gb news with dan wootton wttn e ttve— join gb news with dan wootton with a live audience and it'll be e— with a live audience and it'll be e two— with a live audience and it'll be a two hour— with a live audience and it'll be a two hour show from 9:00 to 11 be a two hour show from 9:00 to tr tontgnt— be a two hour show from 9:00 to tr tontgnt ent— be a two hour show from 9:00 to 11 tonight and it's— be a two hour show from 9:00 to 11 tonight and it's going to tete— 11 tonight and it's going to tete etete— 11 tonight and it's going to take place in— 11 tonight and it's going to take place in leigh just outside taeneneeter. — take place in leigh just outside manchester. and— take place in leigh just outside manchester. and dan wootton is going— manchester. and dan wootton is gotng to— manchester. and dan wootton is gotng to ten— manchester. and dan wootton is gotng to tett we— manchester. and dan wootton is going to tell us all about it. wtget— going to tell us all about it. nigel fascinating— going to tell us all about it. nigel fascinating discussion. i think you're completely right. personally, i believe truss economics has been vindicated and this is actually unbelievably the first major, major or the first broadcast tv appearance at all actually from liz truss since she was forced out of downing street. and those extraordinaire circumstances last year . and what's great last year. and what's great tonight, nigel, is it's the gb news viewers , those who get to news viewers, those who get to ask her the question. so of course, we're going to be talking about the economy. what's she right? how can sunak cut taxes before the next election avoid she had election and avoid what she had to through in terms that to went through in terms of that fight against the economic establishment ? but also there's

establishment? but also there's lots else to discuss . obviously, lots else to discuss. obviously, bods lots else to discuss. obviously, boris johnson , she was very boris johnson, she was very supportive of him. how does she feel about the privileges committee today ? stopping committee today? stopping the boats ? is there a truss way to boats? is there a truss way to do that before the next election 7 do that before the next election ? is the culture war, the media, the blob? i think what's really interesting, nigel, and you know a little bit about this from your own discussions her as your own discussions with her as well, liz is not well, you know, liz truss is not defeated in terms of speaking out. she has big plans. this is going to be just the beginning. and she wants to return the conservative party to those tax cutting roots. so i think today is the start of the fight back. it's obviously a fascinating time for the conservative party in the midst of a civil war. and if they thought that they had defeated and got rid of the last two prime ministers in terms of shutting up, i think sunak and his mates like jeremy hunt have another thing coming . dan, another thing coming. dan, thanks very much. g 3 dan, thanks very much. looking torwert— thanks very much. looking torwert to— thanks very much. looking forward to it— thanks very much. looking forward to it very much indeed . forward to it very much indeed. a gwtet— forward to it very much indeed. a gwtet wnet— forward to it very much indeed. a quick what the— forward to it very much indeed. a quick what the farage moment. one— a quick what the farage moment. one er— a quick what the farage moment.

one eonnenv— a quick what the farage moment. one car company appears to eetwettv— one car company appears to actually have— one car company appears to actually have some common sense and actually have some common sense ent tte— actually have some common sense ent in tovote— actually have some common sense and it's toyota. they— actually have some common sense and it's toyota. they are not eevtng— and it's toyota. they are not eevtng tnev— and it's toyota. they are not eevtng tnev ee— and it's toyota. they are not saying they are not pretending tnet— saying they are not pretending we we— saying they are not pretending we we en— saying they are not pretending that we can move— saying they are not pretending that we can move completely to eteetrte— that we can move completely to electric vehicles— that we can move completely to electric vehicles quickly and tnet— electric vehicles quickly and we tne— electric vehicles quickly and that the whole— electric vehicles quickly and that the whole thing will be eeev— that the whole thing will be eeev ent— that the whole thing will be eeev ent netn— that the whole thing will be easy and pain free now, in fact, tnev-re— easy and pain free now, in fact, tnev-re verve— easy and pain free now, in fact, tnev-re verv, verv— easy and pain free now, in fact, they're very, very sceptical etowt— they're very, very sceptical about electric— they're very, very sceptical about electric cars, sceptical tnet— about electric cars, sceptical that overall— about electric cars, sceptical that overall they'll reduce eton— that overall they'll reduce carbon emissions. why? well, teewee— carbon emissions. why? well, because number— carbon emissions. why? well, because number one, we have to nrotwee— because number one, we have to nrotwee tne— because number one, we have to produce the electricity in some wev— produce the electricity in some wev. ant— produce the electricity in some way. and number— produce the electricity in some way. and number two, you know, gotng— way. and number two, you know, gotng to— way. and number two, you know, we're going to have— way. and number two, you know, we're going to have to open up ntnte— we're going to have to open up ntnte ett— we're going to have to open up minds all over— we're going to have to open up minds all over the— we're going to have to open up minds all over the world for the ntnerete— minds all over the world for the minerals needed— minds all over the world for the minerals needed to build the enormous car— minerals needed to build the enormous car batteries and the eoet— enormous car batteries and the eoet ot— enormous car batteries and the eoet ot tten.— enormous car batteries and the cost of them. toyota have teeerttet— cost of them. toyota have described them - cost of them. toyota have described them flowers could be tnet— described them flowers could be we ee— described them flowers could be that cars could— described them flowers could be that cars could become like ttowere— that cars could become like ttowere on— that cars could become like flowers on a— that cars could become like flowers on a high summit, namely eteetrte— flowers on a high summit, namely electric vehicles— flowers on a high summit, namely electric vehicles for— flowers on a high summit, namely electric vehicles for many neonte— electric vehicles for many neonte ee— electric vehicles for many people are totally and utterly un affordable.— people are totally and utterly un affordable. now this is a verv— un affordable. now this is a very different— un affordable. now this is a very different conservative party— very different conservative nertvto— very different conservative nertv to tne — very different conservative party to the old one. the old one was very much of the shires tuning,— one was very much of the shires hunting, shooting,— one was very much of the shires hunting, shooting, fishing, not this hunting, shooting, fishing, not the one— hunting, shooting, fishing, not this one. good— hunting, shooting, fishing, not this one. good lord, no, not wttn— this one. good lord, no, not wttn cente— this one. good lord, no, not with carrie johnson and the gottenttne. — with carrie johnson and the goldsmiths. no.— with carrie johnson and the goldsmiths. no. this one put in its goldsmiths. no. this one put in tte aort— goldsmiths. no. this one put in its 2019 manifesto— goldsmiths. no. this one put in

its 2019 manifesto that it would ten— its 2019 manifesto that it would ten e— its 2019 manifesto that it would ten e tronnv— its 2019 manifesto that it would ban a trophy hunting ban. people trtngtng— ban a trophy hunting ban. people trtngtng teet— ban a trophy hunting ban. people bringing back trophies of things tnev-t— bringing back trophies of things tnev-t eewgnt— bringing back trophies of things they'd caught or— bringing back trophies of things they'd caught or shot overseas . they'd caught or shot overseas. ant— they'd caught or shot overseas. ant tte— they'd caught or shot overseas. ant tt-e getttng— they'd caught or shot overseas. and it's getting pretty close to tetng— and it's getting pretty close to being legislation. we'll debate wttn— being legislation. we'll debate wttn two— being legislation. we'll debate with two passionate people ergwtng— with two passionate people ergwtng on— with two passionate people arguing on both sides of the ergwnent— arguing on both sides of the argument will— arguing on both sides of the argument will debate in a moment is argument will debate in a moment te tnet— argument will debate in a moment te tnet gooe— argument will debate in a moment te tnet good or— argument will debate in a moment is that good or is— argument will debate in a moment is that good or is it— argument will debate in a moment is that good or is it bad for conservation— is that good or is it bad for conservation in— is that good or is it bad for conservation in africa

so the legislation and it was nronteert— so the legislation and it was nronteet. tt— so the legislation and it was promised. it was— so the legislation and it was promised. it was promised in the aort— promised. it was promised in the 2019 conservative— promised. it was promised in the 2019 conservative manifesto , but 2019 conservative manifesto, but it's 2019 conservative manifesto, but we gotng— 2019 conservative manifesto, but we gotng tnrowgn— 2019 conservative manifesto, but it's going through on a private member's bill— it's going through on a private member's bill henry smith is the nernter— member's bill henry smith is the rnernetr ot— member's bill henry smith is the member of parliament, conservative- member of parliament, conservative member for crawley and conservative member for crawley ent ne— conservative member for crawley ent ne te— conservative member for crawley and he is pushing— conservative member for crawley and he is pushing this legislation.- and he is pushing this legislation. and what it would do legislation. and what it would to te— legislation. and what it would to te etot— legislation. and what it would do is stop-import- legislation. and what it would do is stop import of up to do is stop the import of up to etowt— do is stop the import of up to etowt moo— do is stop the import of up to about 7000 creatures. and you tntnt— about 7000 creatures. and you tntnt ot— about 7000 creatures. and you tntnt ot .— about 7000 creatures. and you can think of, you— about 7000 creatures. and you can think of , you know, can think of, you know, etetnente— can think of, you know, elephants or- can think of, you know, elephants or or you know, ternete— elephants or or you know, perhaps marlin- elephants or or you know, perhaps marlin heads. but it, you— perhaps marlin heads. but it, vow tnow— perhaps marlin heads. but it, you know,.even_ perhaps marlin heads. but it, you know, even goes down to you know, it even goes down to tntnge—we- you know, it even goes down toi things—we would things like corals that we would notiettowet — things like corals that we would not-allowed to— things like corals that we would not allowed to bring back not be allowed to bring back tnto— not be allowed to bring back tnto tnte— not be allowed to bring back into this country. _ not be allowed to bring back into this country. some of it, it into this country. some of it, tt-ttte— into this country. some of it, tt-ttte tn— into this country. some of it, it-fits in with- into this country. some of it, it fits in with european it seems, fits in with european wnton— it seems, fits in with european union regulations— it seems, fits in with european union regulations on all of tnte— union regulations on all of tie rve— union regulations on all of this. i've never— union regulations on all of this. i've never really heard tne— this. i've never really heard the arguments.— this. i've never really heard the arguments. henry smith as to wnet— the arguments. henry smith as to we tenntng— the arguments. henry smith as to what banning trophy hunting wowtt— what banning trophy hunting wowtt to,— what banning trophy hunting would do, what— what banning trophy hunting would do, what would the toetttvee— would do, what would the toetttvee .— would do, what would the positives , what would the positives, what would the wtettee— positives, what would the wtettee ot— positives, what would the upsides of banning trophy nwnttng— upsides of banning trophy nwnttng .— upsides of banning trophy nwnttng . te— upsides of banning trophy hunting . be we well, the species hunting. be we well, the species you hunting. be we well, the species vow nenttonet— hunting. be we well, the species you mentioned and— hunting. be we well, the species you mentioned and what the bill eete— you mentioned and what the bill eete owt— you mentioned and what the bill eete owt te— you mentioned and what the bill eete owt te tt— you mentioned and what the bill sets out is it would— you mentioned and what the bill sets out is it would ban the tntortetton— sets out is it would ban the importation of— sets out is it would ban the importation of body body parts tnet— importation of body body parts we neve— importation of body body parts that have been— importation of body body parts that have been hunted from

entengeret— that have been hunted from endangered species. ”ti: endangered species. so we're tetttng— endangered species. so we're talking about elephants, for example , but not just african example, but not just african animals like lions as well, but also polar bears to and as you say, many other species that are endangered. so it would ban people from bringing back those body parts of endangered species that they have killed abroad . that they have killed abroad. and you're suggesting that and youire suggesting that all and you're suggesting that all the and you're suggesting that all tne moo— and you're suggesting that all the 7000 species— and you're suggesting that all the 7000 species mentioned in tnte— the 7000 species mentioned in this legislation— the 7000 species mentioned in this legislation are all endangered- this legislation are all endangered . it; this legislation are all endangered. it; ritii this legislation are all endangered . it; ritii endangered. they are the legislation states those that are on the cites, that's the international organisation un, that deters us, whether a species is in danger or not. and sadly many species are endangered and threatened with extinction. so it is that list thatis extinction. so it is that list that is internationally , that is internationally, internationally outlined . and internationally outlined. and incidentally, just in terms of your introduction, this is not european union driven . i'm like

european union driven. i'm like you. i was a proud supporter of brexit and the uk leaving the uk. this is this is about this is this will go much private members bill henry in the european union in your own private members bill it does mention a series of regulations but let's not get stuck. let's not get bogged down- gi i let's not get bogged down on . gi. i let's not get bogged down on that. so, toot.— not get bogged down on that. so, toot. twet— not get bogged down on that. so, toot. twet gwtettv— not get bogged down on that. so, look, just quickly, it's okay tten— look, just quickly, it's okay tnen tor— look, just quickly, it's okay then for people— look, just quickly, it's okay then for people from overseas to nere ent— then for people from overseas to come here and shoot red deer for tnoee— come here and shoot red deer for tnoee teen— come here and shoot red deer for those deer heads— come here and shoot red deer for those deer heads to— come here and shoot red deer for those deer heads to be mounted. so those deer heads to be mounted. to wett— those deer heads to be mounted. so wet go— those deer heads to be mounted. so wet go on— those deer heads to be mounted. so we'll go on exporting trotntee— so we'll go on exporting trophies, but— so we'll go on exporting trophies, but not importing any . i trophies, but not importing any . t tntnt— trophies, but not importing any . i think that's— trophies, but not importing any . i think that's the argument t-n — . i think that's the argument rm -to— . i think that's the argument t-n-to trtng- . i think that's the argument i'm-to bring in.- . i think that's the argument i'm to bring in. professor i'm going to bring in. professor amy— i'm going to bring in. professor anv ttetnen— i'm going to bring in. professor amy dickman, director of the wtttttte — amy dickman, director of the wildlife conservation research wntt— wildlife conservation research wntt. anv— wildlife conservation research unit. amy people in botswana tett— unit. amy people in botswana tett ne— unit. amy people in botswana tett ne tnet— unit. amy people in botswana tell me that actually trophy nwnttng— tell me that actually trophy hunting done— tell me that actually trophy hunting done properly , me taking hunting done properly, me taking out hunting done properly, me taking owt eget— hunting done properly, me taking owt eget or— hunting done properly, me taking out aged or sick— hunting done properly, me taking out aged or sick animals or even entnete— out aged or sick animals or even entnete tnet— out aged or sick animals or even animals, that might now be a tenger— animals, that might now be a tenger to— animals, that might now be a danger to people— animals, that might now be a danger to people living there eowtt— danger to people living there could actually,— danger to people living there could actually, given the money tnet— could actually, given the money we teotte— could actually, given the money that people pay— could actually, given the money that peopte pay to— could actually, given the money that people pay to do it, could eetwettv— that people pay to do it, could eetwettv te— that people pay to do it, could eetwettv te e— that people pay to do it, could actually be a good thing for conservation.— actually be a good thing for conservation. an— actually be a good thing for conservation. an yeah, absolutely— conservation. an yeah,

absolutely . - conservation. an yeah, absolutely . ' t: t; conservation. an yeah,- absolutely . and the thing is, absolutely. and the thing is, it's really good that henry smith and others are concerned about conservation, but it's fundamentally important that we actually tailor legislation towards addressing the threats of endangerment. so, yes, lots of endangerment. so, yes, lots of species on that list, those 7000 are threatened with extinction, but none of them are threatened with extinction because more because of trophy hunting. more of those animals are actually brought uk for the pet brought into the uk for the pet trade, for example, than for trophy hunting. so while this promises that to the uk public that this would protect around 7000 species, there is no way that i 7000 species, there is no way thati can 7000 species, there is no way that i can see that banning trophy imports those trophy imports from those species, you said, around a species, as you said, around a third of these species on this list coral. well, there's list are coral. well, there's lots of butterflies, insects . lots of butterflies, insects. there's even species that are already . so one already endangered. so not one of those species is threatened with extinction by trophy hunting. actually, the main threats to species are things like habitat loss and poaching. and you mentioned from places and as you mentioned from places like , the revenue that like botswana, the revenue that comes in from trophy hunting, just photo tourism, just like with photo tourism, can help fund the maintenance of huge areas , more land in africa

huge areas, more land in africa than is maintained under national fund things national parks and fund things like anti—poaching. so it actually helps counterintuitively reduce those far greater threats to species . far greater threats to species. and we should be looking at evidence led legislation not ddven evidence led legislation not driven by misinformation and what offends people on social media. quite powerful . media. it's quite powerful. henry, it? you know, when henry, isn't it? you know, when you— henry, isn't it? you know, when vow-to— henry, isn't it? you know, when vow-to teotte— henry, isn't it? you know, when vow-to teotte tn- you listen to people in totewene— you listen to people ini botswana,-you you listen to people in- botswana,-you know, botswana, namibia, you know, ownttee— botswana, namibia, you know,i countries—people countries like this where people do countries like this where people to-enoot.— countries like this where people to-enoot. ent— countries like this where people do-shoot, and the- countries like this where people do shoot, and the argument do go to shoot, and the argument vvou— do go to shoot, and the argument . vow tnow— do go to shoot, and the argument . vow tnow. verv— do go to shoot, and the argument . vow tnow. verv t— do go to shoot, and the argument , you know, very i mean, they ergwe—tneti argue very powerfully that eetwettv— argue very powerfully that actually controlled culling of nette— actually controlled culling of nerte en— actually controlled culling of herds can lead— actually controlled culling of herds can lead to healthier nette— herds can lead to healthier nerte. ant— herds can lead to healthier herds. and given that wealthy eernn— herds. and given that wealthy german, british,— herds. and given that wealthy german, british, american people will german, british, american people wttt pav— german, british, american people wttt tev .— german, british, american people wttt tev . vow— german, british, american people will pay , you know, really very will pay, you know, really very big will pay, you know, really very ttg ewne— will pay, you know, really very ttg ot— will pay, you know, really very big sums of money to go and enoot— big sums of money to go and enoot tneee— big sums of money to go and shoot these animals , is that shoot these animals, is that tnet— shoot these animals, is that we nonev— shoot these animals, is that that money can— shoot these animals, is that that money can be used to combat toeentng— that money can be used to combat toeentng ent— that money can be used to combat poaching and other— that money can be used to combat poaching and other things that reettv— poaching and other things that reettv to— poaching and other things that really do endanger these species . i really do endanger these species . t neen— really do endanger these species . t ewretv— really do endanger these species . i mean, surely you must see tnee— . i mean, surely you must see tnere te— . i mean, surely you must see tnere te en— . i mean, surely you must see there is an argument for trophy nwnttng— there is an argument for trophy nwnttng verv.— there is an argument for trophy nwnttng verv. verv— there is an argument for trophy hunting very, very little of tnet— hunting very, very little of we nonev— hunting very, very little of that money goes to local communities. - that money goes to local communities. ' . g that money goes to local- communities. a lot of it goes to as backhanders to government

officials in countries to keep operating this system . and operating this system. and actually, if you look at countries like kenya where they banned trophy hunting in the 19705, banned trophy hunting in the 1970s, there , conservation is 1970s, there, conservation is far in advance of those countries that that haven't. and i would argue that shooting an animal several hundred times with a camera is far more lucrative for local communities than shooting an animal. once and then that animal is dead. i find it very odd indeed that there is an argument that to protect an endangered species is shooting. it is the best way to do that. and it's worse than that because the trophy hunters go for the most prized animals. so the big tusk elephants. so they actually deplete the gene pool of those species, which is i think i think henry , i think i think i think henry, i think you will find that on properly managed shoots that the hunters will be told, which animals

they're allowed to shoot . and they're allowed to shoot. and that'll be done because- that'll be done because i'm going— that'll be done because i'm gotng to— that'll be done because i'm gotng to reteet— that'll be done because i'm going to repeat this point that eetwettv— going to repeat this point that actually taking— going to repeat this point that actually taking out older or etet— actually taking out older or sick animals— actually taking out older or sick animals can actually i t— sick animals can actually i t ttve— sick animals can actually i t ttve t— sick animals can actually i mean, i live i live in in kent. we-ve— mean, i live i live in in kent. we-ve got— mean, i live i live in in kent. we-ve got e— mean, i live i live in in kent. we've got a huge— mean, i live i live in in kent. we've got a huge deer herd tnee— we've got a huge deer herd tnere. tt— we've got a huge deer herd there. it needs— we've got a huge deer herd there. it needs culling ones, tne— there. it needs culling ones, tne onee— there. it needs culling ones, the ones the— there. it needs culling ones, the ones the lions with the ttggeet— the ones the lions with the biggest manes,_ the ones the lions with the biggest manes, the elephants wttn— biggest manes, the elephants wttn tne— biggest manes, the elephants with the largest— biggest manes, the elephants with the largest tusks , and that with the largest tusks, and that is with the largest tusks, and that te tettettng— with the largest tusks, and that is depleting the— with the largest tusks, and that is depleting the gene pool and twrtner— is depleting the gene pool and further threatening those eteetee. — further threatening those species. and- further threatening those species. “t: t: further threatening those species. ' t: t: further threatening those species. ' . species. and i'd just like to say that this bill is about what we choose to import into this country. this bill isn't telling african countries what to do. it's not telling canada what to do in terms of polar bears, which is also on the cites endangered species list or any of species from of those other species from around world. it is saying . around the world. it is saying. and nine of ten people in and nine out of ten people in many public surveys don't want trophy hunting imports imported into this country. it is saying that we choose in great britain not to have the body parts of endangered species traded into this country that is the territorial extent of this bill. but in effect , whatever my

but in effect, whatever my personal opinions might be on, in effect, hunting and you are taking money out of africa. sorry, please . amy. yeah i mean, sorry, please. amy. yeah i mean, tnte— sorry, please. amy. yeah i mean, ttte teee— sorry, please. amy. yeah i mean, ttte teee tnet— sorry, please. amy. yeah i mean, this idea that nine out of ten people support it, that largely came from lobby group polls actually fewer than half of britons want import it britons want import bans if it would conservation and would harm conservation and local livelihoods. ban local livelihoods. and this ban is set out right do is set out right now, would do both. things. it doesn't both. those things. it doesn't address to address the key threats to species . the thing species endangerment. the thing that we and over 200 other experts are asking for now is a conservation amendment on this bill to say maybe henry's right , maybe it doesn't benefit conservation and communities. but are places where it but if there are places where it does i think there are does and i think there are compelling examples rhino, compelling examples black rhino, white , many places white rhino, many places where it actually benefits both conservation and livelihoods, then that should be then that should not be undermined by us. people want effective conservation . that's effective conservation. that's what should be delivering, what we should be delivering, not driven by this kind of misinformation and clickbait headlines. yeah, and of course, geetwre— headlines. yeah, and of course, geetwre-vow— headlines. yeah, and of course, gesture -you -this| gesture politics. you know, this is gesture politics. you know, this te ett— gesture politics. you know, this te ett verv— gesture politics. you know, this is all very popular, isn't it, in is all very popular, isn't it, tn enonget— is all very popular, isn't it, in amongst the—

is all very popular, isn't it, in amongst the metropolitan etttee— in amongst the metropolitan etttee ot— in amongst the metropolitan elites of london? i'm not sure. nenrv— elites of london? i'm not sure. nenrv tte— elites of london? i'm not sure. nenrv tt-e e— elites of london? i'm not sure. henry it's a really— elites of london? i'm not sure. henry it's a really burning wnet— henry it's a really burning issue. nigel. your constituency in issue. nigel. your constituency tn crewtev. — issue. nigel. your constituency in crawley. i've— issue. nigel. your constituency in crawley. . tit: i in crawley. i've never lived in london. i come from what i would consider is pretty represented . consider is pretty represented. give britain a swing seat, always has been in this country and it obviously issues like making sure that we get the economy right, cost of living, things like that are the priority. but i receive a lot of support from constituents out in real britain. you've been to my constituency, nigel. several months ago, and it is real people who support this. it's saying that we choose not to want to import those killed body parts of endangered species into this country. it's not telling other countries what to do. and i would argue this agenda. henry henry this agenda was driven by terte— henry this agenda was driven by terte ot— henry this agenda was driven by terte ot tne— henry this agenda was driven by parts of the world— henry this agenda was driven by parts of the world were this was enven— parts of the world were this was driven europeans— parts of the world were this was driven europeans when they were eotontetng— driven europeans when they were colonising those— driven europeans when they were colonising those countries . this colonising those countries. this enven— colonising those countries. this trtven tv— colonising those countries. this

was driven by carrie johnson and the goldsmiths,_ was driven by carrie johnson and the goldsmiths, the ultimate tonton— the goldsmiths, the ultimate london elite.— the goldsmiths, the ultimate london elite. i— the goldsmiths, the ultimate london elite. i will give the tnet— london elite. i will give the ttnet wort— london elite. i will give the final word to— london elite. i will give the final word to professor amy ttetnen. — final word to professor amy ttetnen. anv— final word to professor amy dickman. amy this goes to the nowee— dickman. amy this goes to the nowee ot— dickman. amy this goes to the house of lords— dickman. amy this goes to the house of lords ,_ dickman. amy this goes to the house of lords , as i was told by house of lords, as i was told by a house of lords, as i was told by e eowtte— house of lords, as i was told by e eowtte ot— house of lords, as i was told by a couple of peers— house of lords, as i was told by a couple of peers last week that were— a couple of peers last week that tnere wttt— a couple of peers last week that tnere wttt te— a couple of peers last week that there will be there— a couple of peers last week that there will be there will be some enentnente— there will be there will be some amendments put— there will be there will be some amendments put down. are you notetwt— amendments put down. are you notetwt tnet— amendments put down. are you hopeful that they— amendments put down. are you hopeful that they might get tnrowgn— hopeful that they might get tnrowgn t — hopeful that they might get through ? well,- hopeful that they might get through ? �*ftt�*ti.. . i: through? well, it depends. i really hope for the sake of really hope for the sake of really effective conservation and equitable conservation that they do. i think this idea of, you know, colonialism, there have been many government representatives have representatives that have actually complained to the government saying this feels like is imposing their like the uk is imposing their views again, despite the fact those other countries have far better conservation records in the as you point the uk does. and as you point out, uk does trophy hunting out, the uk does trophy hunting at home. if this is about conservation, not the morality of hunting, it of trophy hunting, then it should be addressing the should be about addressing the major conservation major threats to conservation and hunting does not and trophy hunting does not threaten species of threaten a single species of extinction like extinction and things like habitat loss, which this bill would increase , do would increase, will do so. henry smith. amy dickman, thank you henry smith. amy dickman, thank vow verv— henry smith. amy dickman, thank vow verv nwen— henry smith. amy dickman, thank you very much indeed— amy dickman, thank you very much indeed for joining me you very much indeed for joining ne tn— you very much indeed for joining ne tn tnet— you very much indeed for joining me in that debate.— you very much indeed for joining me in that debate. and folks at

none.— me in that debate. and folks at none. t— me in that debate. and folks at home, i genuinely— me in that debate. and folks at home, i genuinely care about eoneervetton— home, i genuinely care about conservation and— home, i genuinely care about conservation and i think hunting and conservation and i think hunting ent enoottng— conservation and i think hunting and shooting managed properly can and shooting managed properly te— and shooting managed properly te e— and shooting managed properly te e gooe— and shooting managed properly can be a good thing, right? rtgnt.— can be a good thing, right? rtgnt. ttne— can be a good thing, right? right. time for— can be a good thing, right? right. time for barrage. the rerege— right. time for barrage. the terege ett— right. time for barrage. the farage aid in— right. time for barrage. the farage aid in london has a gweetton— farage aid in london has a gweetton tor— farage aid in london has a question for me— farage aid in london has a question for me . farage aid in london has a question for me. ” t; question for me. all right, nigel, my name is eddie. my question for you is , should question for you is, should bods question for you is, should boris johnson go to work in the european union ? well, i don't european union? well, i don't tntnt— european union? well, i don't tntnt net— european union? well, i don't tntnt ne-t te— european union? well, i don't think he'd be very— .. i i 7 well, i don't think he'd be very popular. he did .— think he'd be very popular. he ttt . ot— think he'd be very popular. he did , of course,— think he'd be very popular. he did , of course, work in the did, of course, work in the twroteen— did, of course, work in the european union. he was a eotwnntet— european union. he was a columnist for— european union. he was a columnist for the daily tetegretn— columnist for the daily telegraph about 30 years ago and wrote— telegraph about 30 years ago and wrote verv— telegraph about 30 years ago and wrote some very amusing copy. wot— wrote some very amusing copy. wot ett— wrote some very amusing copy. wot ett ot— wrote some very amusing copy. wot ett ot tt— wrote some very amusing copy. not all of it was— wrote some very amusing copy. not all of it was true, but it etweve— not all of it was true, but it was always very,— not all of it was true, but it was always very, very amusing. ton-t— was always very, very amusing. ton-t eee— was always very, very amusing. ton-t tone— was always very, very amusing. don't see boris going to work in the don't see boris going to work in tne twroteen— don't see boris going to work in the european union. can see tone— the european union. can see boris johnson— the european union. can see boris johnson spending time in anette.— boris johnson spending time in america.-that's- boris johnson spending time in america. that's far, far america. i think that's far, far tttetv— america. i think that's far, far tttetv .— america. i think that's far, far more likely . another question more likely. another question for more likely. another question tor ne— more likely. another question tor ne tron — more likely. another question for me from london. hi my name is for me from london. hi my name te r.— for me from london. hi my name te r. — for me from london. hi my name te t. tt— for me from london. hi my name te r. nt wtget— for me from london. hi my name is t. hi nigel farage.- for me from london. hi my name is t. hi nigel farage. my- is t. hi nigel farage. my question is to you what can you do for the uk? oh goodness gracious me, what can i do for the uk? well, i did spend a long

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of their own? the chairman is an mp. i know, but i meant the others. the main bulk of the report will be the chairman's report will be the chairman's report that they have then accepted. it may get tweaked as it through the process. and it goes through the process. and of course, the chairman, harriet harman , expressed her in harman, expressed her views in some tweets before she was appointed. others could appointed. the others could etweve— appointed. the others could always-resigned- appointed. the others could always-resigned if- “dill: the others could always resigned if they always have resigned if they tnoee— always have resigned if they enoeeito. — always have resigned if they chose .to. lots- always have resigned if they chose to. lots more to chose not to. lots more to tetete—el chose not to. lots more to. debate,_a look debate, but let's have a look tnet— debate, but let's have a look ttretltne— debate, but let's have a look first-the weather- debate, but let's have a look first the weather the first at the weather the eventng. — first at the weather the evening. alex- first at the weather the evening. alex deakin here with vow— evening. alex deakin here with vowr teteet— evening. alex deakin here with your latest weather for gb news tron— your latest weather for gb news tron tne— your latest weather for gb news tron tne wet— your latest weather for gb news from the met office. ' from the met office. another tne— from the met office. another fine sunny one for most on friday. and again pretty warm but an increasing chance of seeing some more thunderstorms. any storms this evening over the west of northern ireland tending to drift away. most will have a dry night with lengthy, clear spells. but misty around the coast of northwest scotland later so cloud later in the night. so cloud increasing the possibility of some showers in the far southwest. but for most, as i said, dry and clear, pretty warm and the west, but and humid in the west, but cooler across north—east. cooler across the north—east. temperatures, parts of temperatures, rural parts of scotland, well down single scotland, well down into single figures. so a coolish start here, but for most it will be

again, a warm day on friday. for the vast majority, another blue sky day as well. but in the west, any sunshine turning increasingly hazy as the cloud spells in. and we are going to see some showers breaking out 1 or 2 maybe early on in the south—west, but much of the hazy sunshine, but also be prepared for butidery showers . hazy sunshine, but also be prepared for but much;howers . hazy sunshine, but also be prepared for but much of wers. hazy sunshine, but also be prepared for but much of the; . morning dry. it's really in the south—west, but much of the morning dry. it's really in the afternoon and evening where afternoon and evening where parts of wales and northern parts of wales and northern ireland could catch a thundery ireland could catch a thundery downpour could cause some downpour could cause some downpour that could cause some downpour that could cause some problems intense rain, problems of intense rain, lots problems intense rain, problems of intense rain, lots of i said, most of of lightning. as i said, most places won't see them. just stay fine. and sunny with fine. warm and sunny with temperatures to high temperatures in the mid to high 20s. but increasing chance of 20s. but an increasing chance of seeing thundery showers seeing those thundery showers dudng seeing those thundery showers during friday evening . again, during friday evening. again, mostly in the west at this stage, but with more cloud spilling in, things just generally turning warmer and more humid as we head into the weekend. so saturday won't be as much in the way of blue sky around. still plenty of hazy sunshine and many places will stay dry, but certainly for northern ireland, southwest, scotland, wales western scotland, wales and western parts england , the likelihood parts of england, the likelihood that will be in these that there will be in these areas some thundery showers as

again many central and eastern parts will probably stay dry and still pretty warm. it's the humidity . i still pretty warm. it's the humidity. i think, though, you'll notice you'll really notice particularly through the evenings, balmy summer evening evenings, a balmy summer evening on evening and another on saturday evening and another very warm and humid day on sunday. again, there will be hazy sunshine, but also be prepared for thundery showers .