action for the rest industrial action for the rest of the year . industrial action for the rest of the year. thousands of people are marching in central london, calling for a change to uk abortion laws . they've been abortion laws. they've been chanting for the release of karla foster, who admitted to taking abortion pills after the legal time limit resulting in the death of her child. the 44 year old mother of three was given a 28 month extended sentence . s some mps are calling sentence. s some mps are calling for a rethink over uk laws that ban termination past 24 weeks, except in exceptional circumstances . the man charged circumstances. the man charged with the murders of the three victims of nottingham's knife attacks has been remanded in custody . 31 year old valdo custody. 31 year old valdo kulkarni is accused of killing barnaby webber. grace o'malley kumar and ian coates on tuesday . he's also accused of three counts of attempted murder after three other people were injured when they were hit by a van. police have named four people

from the same family who were found dead in a flat in west london. although formal identification is yet to take place, they're being named as three year old david dodi , czech three year old david dodi, czech ii three year old david dodi, czech 11 year old maja, 35 year old monika and 39 year old michael. all officers forced entry to a property on staines road yesterday after concerns for their welfare met. police says it's not seeking anyone else in connection with that incident . connection with that incident. the king has celebrated his official birthday with the nafion official birthday with the nation during his first trooping the colour ceremony as a monarch around 8000 spectators surrounded horse guards to watch the military parade, which dates back 260 years. for the first time since 1989. all five regiments of foot guards , that's regiments of foot guards, that's the welsh, the scots irish,

coldstream and grenadier paraded together as around 1500 soldiers. in total . it was also soldiers. in total. it was also the first time that a monarch has ridden horseback during the parade in more than 30 years, the last being queen elizabeth ii in 1986. members of the royal family waved from the balcony of buckingham palace as thousands of people , people filled the of people, people filled the mall to cheer 70 aircraft from all three armed services took part in a fly—past, including 18 typhoon fighters spelling out the king's monogram cr standing for charles rex spitfires and hurricanes and a lancaster bomber also graced the skies over london earlier on the red arrows, of course, providing the finale to that occasion , finale to that occasion, trailing their signature red white and blue smoke. earlier on, we were speaking to members of the public who watched the spectacle, and they were telling us how much they enjoyed it . us how much they enjoyed it. okay, this is gb news. we'll bnng okay, this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. let's straight to

let's get straight back to father calvin . father calvin. this next father calvin. - i this next topic father calvin. - - this next topic is of father calvin. _ - this next topic is of a . this next topic is of a sensitive— - this next topic is of a sensitive nature.- . this next topic is of a sensitive nature. i'm- this next topic is of a sensitive nature. i'm not wu,— sensitive nature. i'm not normally one— sensitive nature. i'm not normally one for trigger warning— normally one for trigger warnings, this isn't a woke warnings, but this isn't a woke nonn- — warnings, but this isn't a woke nonn- nnn— warnings, but this isn't a woke none. nnnln— warnings, but this isn't a woke topic. this a matter that topic. this is a matter that win— topic. this is a matter that will—affect- topic. this is a matter thati will—affect many will personally affect many people— will personally affect many people-ween- will personally affect many people week, the story people. this week, the story none— people. this week, the story none of— people. this week, the story none of n— people. this week, the story broke of a mother who was jailed for nanng— broke of a mother who was jailed for nanng an— broke of a mother who was jailed for having an abortion after the legal— for having an abortion after the legal unn— for having an abortion after the legal limit. the— for having an abortion after the legal limit. the woman in question— legal limit. the woman in question ordered abortion pills by question ordered abortion pills ny nann— question ordered abortion pills by gang endang— question ordered abortion pills by post ending the life of her baby— by post ending the life of her baby nnan— by post ending the life of her baby when she— by post ending the life of her baby when she was eight months pregnant— baby when she was eight months pregnant .— baby when she was eight months gngnana . ane— baby when she was eight months pregnant. the legal limit for ananaan— pregnant. the legal limit for ananaan g..— pregnant. the legal limit for abortion in the— pregnant. the legal limit for abortion in the uk is 24 weeks. sne— abortion in the uk is 24 weeks. sna na— abortion in the uk is 24 weeks. sna z— abortion in the uk is 24 weeks. sna 2 na— abortion in the uk is 24 weeks. sna 2 no a— abortion in the uk is 24 weeks. she was 2 to 3 months over the legal— she was 2 to 3 months over the legal unn— she was 2 to 3 months over the legal llnn .— she was 2 to 3 months over the legal limit . this— she was 2 to 3 months over the legal limit . this is— she was 2 to 3 months over the legal limit . this is fraudulent legal limit. this is fraudulent on legal limit. this is fraudulent an nea— legal limit. this is fraudulent an nen nan— legal limit. this is fraudulent on her part and— legal limit. this is fraudulent on her part and irresponsible on the on her part and irresponsible on ane nan— on her part and irresponsible on ane pan of— on her part and irresponsible on ane pan of ne— on her part and irresponsible on the part of the clinic. i would say— the part of the clinic. i would say lnle— the part of the clinic. i would eat me le— the part of the clinic. i would say lnle le a— the part of the clinic. i would say this is a reason mother and bang— say this is a reason mother and bang aeeene— say this is a reason mother and baby deserve to— say this is a reason mother and baby deserve to be— say this is a reason mother and baby deserve to be seen by a laelan — baby deserve to be seen by a doctor. male— baby deserve to be seen by a doctor. male order medicine in ann— doctor. male order medicine in this situation— doctor. male order medicine in this situation is— doctor. male order medicine in this situation is entirely

inappropriate . there has been inappropriate. there has been unann— inappropriate. there has been apnean p..— inappropriate. there has been aneanp in ne— inappropriate. there has been uproar in the media because the meme— uproar in the media because the nelnen wa— uproar in the media because the mother was arrested, charged and sentenced,— mother was arrested, charged and sentenced, with— mother was arrested, charged and sentenced, with many commentators claiming that this is a le— commentators claiming that this is a reason to decriminalise apenlen— is a reason to decriminalise apenlen ln— is a reason to decriminalise abortion in the— is a reason to decriminalise abortion in the uk altogether . abortion in the uk altogether. for abortion in the uk altogether. na if— abortion in the uk altogether. for if anything,— abortion in the uk altogether. for if anything, this is proof we— for if anything, this is proof we went— for if anything, this is proof the current system is working as intended— the current system is working as intended .— the current system is working as lnlenaea . sne— the current system is working as intended . she broke the law and intended. she broke the law and she intended. she broke the law and ene went— intended. she broke the law and ene wena le— intended. she broke the law and she went to prison.— intended. she broke the law and she went to prison. if there are no consequences— she went to prison. if there are no consequences for breaking the paw,— no consequences for breaking the law, wnaa— no consequences for breaking the law, wnaa le— no consequences for breaking the law, what is the— no consequences for breaking the law, what is the point in having laws— law, what is the point in having lawe wnneal— law, what is the point in having laws without a— law, what is the point in having laws without a legal limit .7 what laws without a legal limit? what is le— laws without a legal limit? what is e elep— laws without a legal limit? what is e step a— laws without a legal limit? what is to stop a mother— laws without a legal limit? what is to stop a mother ending the line— is to stop a mother ending the line en— is to stop a mother ending the line en nen— is to stop a mother ending the life of her baby— is to stop a mother ending the life of her baby a— is to stop a mother ending the life of her baby a day before he or life of her baby a day before he en ene— life of her baby a day before he en ene le— life of her baby a day before he or she is born?— life of her baby a day before he or she is born? or— life of her baby a day before he or she is born? or even the day he or she is born? or even the day ne en— or she is born? or even the day ne en ene— or she is born? or even the day ne en ene le— or she is born? or even the day he or she is due— or she is born? or even the day he or she is due to— or she is born? or even the day he or she is due to be born? aven— he or she is due to be born? even in— he or she is due to be born? even in we— he or she is due to be born? even in we ge— he or she is due to be born? even if we go that far, what's to even if we go that far, what's ae-we— even if we go that far, what's tone-auowl to say we shouldn't allow panenle— to say we shouldn't allow panenle le— to say we shouldn't allow parents to -the - to say we shouldn't allow parents to the life of their parents to end the life of their papy— parents to end the life of their baby a— parents to end the life of their baby a law— parents to end the life of their baby a day after— parents to end the life of their baby a day after birth? where do we-lne— baby a day after birth? where do we-ane line— baby a day after birth? where do we-ane line a— baby a day after birth? where do we-the line ? i— baby a day after birth? where do we the line ? i would draw we draw the line? i would draw it we draw the line? i would draw n a— we draw the line? i would draw it at conception. _ we draw the line? i would draw it at conception. feminists have nepealealw— it at conception. feminists have repeatedly chanted my body, my enelee— repeatedly chanted my body, my enelee al— repeatedly chanted my body, my choice at anyone— repeatedly chanted my body, my choice at anyone who dares to engage— choice at anyone who dares to engage p..— choice at anyone who dares to engage in ann— choice at anyone who dares to engage in this sensitive conversation— engage in this sensitive conversation a way of conversation as a way of enanlng— conversation as a way of shutting down - conversation as a way of shutting down the debate . i hope shutting down the debate. i hope i'm shutting down the debate. i hope in nea— shutting down the debate. i hope in net lne— shutting down the debate. i hope i'm not the first— shutting down the debate. i hope i'm not the first to— shutting down the debate. i hope i'm not the first to enlighten lnen — i'm not the first to enlighten lnen nann— i'm not the first to enlighten lnen-anle le— i'm not the first to enlighten them-this is not- i'm not the first to enlighten them this is not a them that this is not a conversation- them that this is not a conversation about women's belly— conversation about women's bodily autonomy. we're not talking— bodily autonomy. we're not talking about— bodily autonomy. we're not talking about the mother's body nee.— talking about the mother's body nene. we-ne— talking about the mother's body here. we're talking about the papy— here. we're talking about the paw-en—

here. we're talking about the palw-en nel- here. we're talking about the palw-en nen. l- here. we're talking about the baby of her. i know many baby inside of her. i know many peeple— baby inside of her. i know many peeple wne— baby inside of her. i know many people who were— baby inside of her. i know many people who were born prematurely eanllen— people who were born prematurely eanllen lnan— people who were born prematurely earlier than eight— people who were born prematurely earlier than eight months, in faca— earlier than eight months, in nael wne— earlier than eight months, in fact, who have— earlier than eight months, in fact, who have gone to on live a wen— fact, who have gone to on live a very nalnllea— fact, who have gone to on live a very fulfilled lives.— fact, who have gone to on live a very fulfilled lives. the baby we are talking— very fulfilled lives. the baby we are talking about in this instance— we are talking about in this instance was— we are talking about in this instance was perfectly viable . instance was perfectly viable. so instance was perfectly viable. se ee— instance was perfectly viable. se peeple— instance was perfectly viable. so some people have argued that the so some people have argued that lne-weall— so some people have argued that the-would have— so some people have argued that the would have been the baby would have been anwanlea— the baby would have been anwanael .— the baby would have been unwanted . value a life unwanted. the value of a life lent— unwanted. the value of a life isn't determined— unwanted. the value of a life isn't determined by whether someone else _ isn't determined by whether someone else wants them or not. re— someone else wants them or not. we nae— someone else wants them or not. we nae a— someone else wants them or not. we nae a few— someone else wants them or not. i've had a few people in my dms ann— i've had a few people in my dms lnle week— i've had a few people in my dms this week who've— i've had a few people in my dms this week who've let me know wat— this week who've let me know lnal anew— this week who've let me know that they were _ this week who've let me know that they were unwanted until new— that they were unwanted until new — that they were unwanted until lnew wee-ana- that they were unwanted until they were and their parents they were born and their parents wee-ew— they were born and their parents wene-lw new- they were born and their parents were-by how much- they were born and their parents were by how much they were surprised by how much they nave— were surprised by how much they nave-anen.— were surprised by how much they have -them.-even- were surprised by how much they have-them.-even if- have loved them. but even if wal— have loved them. but even if mat-nel— have loved them. but even if that. not the _ have loved them. but even if that-not the case,- have loved them. but even if that not the case, there is that was not the case, there is always— that was not the case, there is always another— that was not the case, there is always another option . there are always another option. there are so always another option. there are ee many— always another option. there are ee many eeaplee— always another option. there are so many couples who want to care for so many couples who want to care fen ana— so many couples who want to care ten and leve— so many couples who want to care ten and lewe a— so many couples who want to care for and love a child— so many couples who want to care for and love a child but cannot nave— for and love a child but cannot nave ne— for and love a child but cannot nave en— for and love a child but cannot have one of their— for and love a child but cannot have one of their own. adoption is have one of their own. adoption le a— have one of their own. adoption is a wonderful— have one of their own. adoption is a wonderful gift— have one of their own. adoption is a wonderful gift to both the papy— is a wonderful gift to both the baby ana— is a wonderful gift to both the baby and we— is a wonderful gift to both the baby and the parents. my sidewal— baby and the parents. my sidekick emma webb, has already engaged— sidekick emma webb, has already engagel p..— sidekick emma webb, has already engaged in a— sidekick emma webb, has already engaged in a debate on this epic.— engaged in a debate on this topic. earlier— engaged in a debate on this topic. earlier this week and angael— topic. earlier this week and angael nen— topic. earlier this week and argued her position perfectly . argued her position perfectly. nene— argued her position perfectly. nene ene— argued her position perfectly. here she debating with bev here she is debating with bev lannen— here she is debating with bev lannen win— here she is debating with bev turner with diametrically eppeeea— turner with diametrically opposed views . i will not be opposed views. i will not be eennennng— opposed views. i will not be commenting on— opposed views. i will not be commenting on beth's stance as a enla— commenting on beth's stance as a enlla wal— commenting on beth's stance as a

enlla lnal le— commenting on beth's stance as a child that is between 32 and 34 weeke— child that is between 32 and 34 weeks le— child that is between 32 and 34 weeks is a— child that is between 32 and 34 weeks is a viable— child that is between 32 and 34 weeks is a viable baby. that is a human— weeks is a viable baby. that is a human life— weeks is a viable baby. that is a human life .— weeks is a viable baby. that is a human life . if the child had a human life. if the child had been born and there was a horrible situation during lockdown and a mother had murdered her own baby and that would be infanticide , you would be infanticide, you wouldn't therefore say, well , wouldn't therefore say, well, you know, the mother was having a hard time. i'm sorry, but you have certain have to have certain protections, whether whether you're anti—abortion,. or whether you have a reasonable moderate view on abortion after 24 weeks. the reason why the line is there in the law is because that is a viable baby. thatis because that is a viable baby. that is a human life and your reproductive rights as a woman do not extend and your bodily autonomy. i have to say , does autonomy. i have to say, does not extend to murdering another life. i not extend to murdering another life . i obviously completely life. i obviously completely lleagnee— life. i obviously completely disagree because - e i; i obviously completely disagree because the risk, if anene-e— disagree because the risk, if there's anything— disagree because the risk, if there's anything that we learnt aanng— there's anything that we learnt aanng lne— there's anything that we learnt during the pandemic, it is the idea— during the pandemic, it is the idea wal— during the pandemic, it is the idea that bodily— during the pandemic, it is the idea that bodily autonomy , what idea that bodily autonomy, what you idea that bodily autonomy, what wea leane— idea that bodily autonomy, what you decide ae— idea that bodily autonomy, what you decide to do— idea that bodily autonomy, what you decide to do with your body as a eennena— you decide to do with your body as a sentient adult— you decide to do with your body as a sentient adult human born female,— as a sentient adult human born page, mael— as a sentient adult human born female, must trump all other laws. — female, must trump all other

laws. governments regulations ana— laws. governments regulations and ne— laws. governments regulations and n-elnle— laws. governments regulations and it's this story— laws. governments regulations and it's this story is tragic , and it's this story is tragic, pal— and it's this story is tragic, pal wnal— and it's this story is tragic, but what about— and it's this story is tragic, but what about the bodily aalenenw— but what about the bodily autonomy of— but what about the bodily autonomy of the child? l autonomy of the child? does the enla— autonomy of the child? does the call nel— autonomy of the child? does the child not have— autonomy of the child? does the child not have a right to its own body? but emma, if you take that own body? but emma, if you take lnal le— own body? but emma, if you take lnal e le— own body? but emma, if you take that to its logical— 3“ but emma, if you take that to its logical conclusion ana— that to its logical conclusion and we— that to its logical conclusion and we are living in if we are living— and we are living in if we are living anlen— and we are living in if we are living angle a— and we are living in if we are living under a government, who decides— living under a government, who decides decides— living under a government, who decides decides that if get decides decides that if you get pnegnanl— decides decides that if you get pnegnana ,— decides decides that if you get pnegnana , lnal— decides decides that if you get pregnant , that-as- decides decides that if you get pregnant , that as the woman, pregnant, that you as the woman, wean— pregnant, that you as the woman, weanane-— pregnant, that you as the woman, your are now irrelevant. your rights are now irrelevant. wew— your rights are now irrelevant. new-enla— your rights are now irrelevant. now-childlthat- your rights are now irrelevant. now child that child's now that child is that child's life— now that child is that child's life wanpe— now that child is that child's life trumps your— now that child is that child's life trumps your human centred exleeneea — life trumps your human centred exleeneea l— life trumps your human centred existence. i think— life trumps your human centred existence. i think that the sentence was _ existence. i think that the sentence was way too harsh . sentence was way too harsh. sne— sentence was way too harsh. sne ennnng— sentence was way too harsh. she shifting gears now a little en. — she shifting gears now a little en. nn— she shifting gears now a little bit. it's been— she shifting gears now a little bit. it's been another- she shifting gears now a little bit. it's been another busy week for the church of england. but instead of helping the poor and needy, the talk has mainly concerned pride month. climate change and transgenderism . we change and transgenderism. we already know many churches celebrate pride month, but bristol cathedral has now been hosting extinction rebellion at a multi non—faith ceremony.

let's take a look mar—a—lago . let's take a look mar—a—lago. and ipp lisa hartle of pollution from obe industry . for many. to from obe industry. for many. to us side from obe industry. for many. to as side by— from obe industry. for many. to as side by age— from obe industry. for many. to us side by side are— from obe industry. for many. to us side by side are we- from obe industry. for many. to us side by side are we cao- oi : for many. to us side by side are we cao to pag— us side by side are we cao to tell ea— us side by side are we cao to tell our children— us side by side are we cao to tell our children that we have nel— tell our children that we have nel wiel— tell our children that we have nel anea e— tell our children that we have nel anea e l— tell our children that we have not tried ? i cringe. illiaw not tried? i cringe. meanwhile, the church of england has appointed its first transgender archdeacon in the shape of the reverend canon nick mann, who has been appointed archdeacon of bolton and salford. man is now the most senior trans member of the most senior trans member of the clergy, which all leads to this week's dual . joining me now

this week's dual. joining me now on my dualists, my sidekick, emma webb , and my nemesis, emma webb, and my nemesis, co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani . aaron, i know you aaron bastani. aaron, i know you said you don't like to dump on other denominations , but has the other denominations, but has the church of england gone woke? has it gone woke? i thought we were just it gone woke? i thought we were iael enanlng— it gone woke? i thought we were just chatting off— it gone woke? i thought we were just chatting off air— e g , i thought we were just chatting off air while we were watching— just chatting off air while we were watching that video a nnennenl— were watching that video a nnennenl age— were watching that video a moment ago and i said, this is wen— moment ago and i said, this is wew ene.— moment ago and i said, this is very nelne inle— moment ago and i said, this is very retro. this is— moment ago and i said, this is very retro. this is like 14th eenlaw— very retro. this is like 14th century mediaeval church. you knew,— century mediaeval church. you know, savonarola,_ century mediaeval church. you know, savonarola, he was a he waelaenagegae— know, savonarola, he was a he was demagogue in florence. and was a demagogue in florence. and you was a demagogue in florence. and yea-nee— was a demagogue in florence. and yea-ne-e-n-e- was a demagogue in florence. and yea-ne-e-n-e lne- you know, he's saying it's the ena— you know, he's saying it's the endlthe_ you know, he's saying it's the end .the world— you know, he's saying it's the end the world and whatnot. end of the world and whatnot. leew— end of the world and whatnot. leek—nave- end of the world and whatnot. look—have very. look we probably have very alnfenenl— look we probably have very different climate different views on climate mange.— different views on climate mange-ne- different views on climate change.-it's a- different views on climate change. it's a hugely change. i think it's a hugely eallenl— change. i think it's a hugely salient, important political leeae-wnal- salient, important political issue.-what i- salient, important political. issue.-what i would issue. however, what i would say issue. however, what i would say le—lne— issue. however, what i would say le—ane enanen- issue. however, what i would say is_the church, the- is the role of the church, the ele— is the role of the church, the nele en— is the role of the church, the role of religion— is the role of the church, the role of religion about moral role of religion is about moral lnewaenen.— role of religion is about moral instruction-have- role of religion is about moral instruction. have never instruction. and we have never nae— instruction. and we have never nae-waeaan- instruction. and we have never had-vacuum for- instruction. and we have never had vacuum for moral had a bigger vacuum for moral lnewaenen.— had a bigger vacuum for moral instruction-live- had a bigger vacuum for moral instruction.-live a- had a bigger vacuum for moral instruction. live a life instruction. how to live a life of instruction. how to live a life en neanlng— instruction. how to live a life of meaning and— instruction. how to live a life of meaning and principle and panpeee,— of meaning and principle and purpose, particularly for young of meaning and principle and purpoand particularly for young of meaning and principle and purpoand that ularly for young of meaning and principle and purpoand that gap y for young of meaning and principle and purpoand that gap isor young of meaning and principle and purpoand that gap is thereing of meaning and principle and purpoand that gap is there and men. and that gap is there and it's men. and that gap is there and nwene-— men. and that gap is there and n-wene- .— men. and that gap is there and it's-worse . and- men. and that gap is there and it's worse . and people it's getting worse. and people aanenlen— it's getting worse. and people admonish, rightly, admonish, quite rightly, i think lnalwlaale— admonish, quite rightly, i think individuals like— admonish, quite rightly, i think individuals like andrew tate. nat— individuals like andrew tate. pal-pent— individuals like andrew tate. pal-pent le— individuals like andrew tate. but point is people like but the point is people like wal— but the point is people like lnal ane— but the point is people like that are filling— but the point is people like that are filling the vacuum and the that are filling the vacuum and we gap— that are filling the vacuum and ane gap anal— that are filling the vacuum and the gap that the— that are filling the vacuum and the gap that the big historic

institutions— the gap that the big historic institutions of— the gap that the big historic institutions of civil society we are institutions of civil society we neanl ae — institutions of civil society we are meant to be— institutions of civil society we are meant to be doing themselves.- are meant to be doing themselves. so i you know, look, i themselves. so i you know, look, llnlnl— themselves. so i you know, look, llnlnl ne— themselves. so i you know, look, i think it's good— themselves. so i you know, look, i think it's good the— themselves. so i you know, look, i think it's good the church acknowledges— i think it's good the church acknowledges the reality of climate — acknowledges the reality of climate change. does this fill anal— climate change. does this fill anal gape— climate change. does this fill anal gape l— climate change. does this fill anal gape l pael— climate change. does this fill that gap? i just don't think n-e— that gap? i just don't think we anew— that gap? i just don't think it's their role. _ that gap? i just don't think it's their role. i— that gap? i just don't think it's their role. i don't think anwpeaw— it's their role. i don't think anybody particularly cares if the anybody particularly cares if ane-eawe— anybody particularly cares if ane-eawe, wean- anybody particularly cares if the says, yeah, we're the church says, yeah, we're going— the church says, yeah, we're going-vou- the church says, yeah, we're gelng-wea lnewl going to have, you know, atmospheric— going to have, you know, atmospheric concentrations of coz— atmospheric concentrations of con—well- atmospheric concentrations of co2_we'll have- atmospheric concentrations of. co2_we'll have rising co2 mean that we'll have rising sea—plan- co2 mean that we'll have rising sea—blah, blah,- sea levels, blah, blah, blah, plan.— sea levels, blah, blah, blah, blah._sciences| sea levels, blah, blah, blah,| blah._sciences. sea levels, blah, blah, blah,- blah. _ sciences . say blah. they care of sciences. say it, blah. they care of sciences. say pa-aa— blah. they care of sciences. say ll-eane n— blah. they care of sciences. say it,-care if-next- blah. they care of sciences. say it,-care if-next door. it, they care if the next door nelgnpean— it, they care if the next door neighbour says— it, they care if the next door neighbour says it. but you know, some-down-road,- some church down the road, pnepaplv— some church down the road, probably-okay - some church down the road, probably okay some church down the road,- probably-okay emma webb i probably not. okay emma webb i don't recognise my don't recognise that as my faith. don't what faith. i don't know what religion but it wasn't religion that was, but it wasn't christianity. well, religion that was, but it wasn't christianity . well, think religion that was, but it wasn't christianity. well, think this christianity. well, i think this is christianity. well, i think this le-pneplen.— christianity. well, i think this is-problem. it's- christianity. well, i think this is-problem. it's not- lg well, i think this is problem. it's not that is the problem. it's not that we— is the problem. it's not that we enanen— is the problem. it's not that the church is— is the problem. it's not that the church is-it's- is the problem. it's not that the church is it's the the church is woke, it's the enanen— the church is woke, it's the enanenlne— the church is woke, it's the church no longer a church. church is no longer a church. we— church is no longer a church. n-ellengen— church is no longer a church. it's longer christian. it's it's no longer christian. it's been—infested. it's no longer christian. it's. been—infested with been completely infested with ideas—express- been completely infested with ideas—express us. been completely infested with ideas express us to ideas that either express us to cnnenanlw— ideas that either express us to christianity or— ideas that either express us to christianity or actively eppeeeel— christianity or actively opposed. and so you mentioned ana— opposed. and so you mentioned and we— opposed. and so you mentioned and this trans— opposed. and so you mentioned and this trans archdeacon now for and this trans archdeacon now fen ne— and this trans archdeacon now fen lne— and this trans archdeacon now for me, the issue— and this trans archdeacon now for me, the issue here isn't anal— for me, the issue here isn't lnal lnle— for me, the issue here isn't that this person— for me, the issue here isn't that this person is trans. the leeae— that this person is trans. the le— that this person is trans. the issue is that— that this person is trans. the issue is that some of the wings— issue is that some of the wnnnge en— issue is that some of the writings of this person , as has writings of this person, as has been— writings of this person, as has been pelnlea— writings of this person, as has been pointed out— writings of this person, as has been pointed out by many people on been pointed out by many people en twlnen— been pointed out by many people on twitter today,— been pointed out by many people on twitter today, are so , so

on twitter today, are so, so blasphemous._ on twitter today, are so, so blasphemous. they are so eenwanv— blasphemous. they are so eenwanv le— blasphemous. they are so contrary to and- blasphemous. they are so contrary to and disrespectful , blasphemous. they are so contrary to and disrespectful, i annn— contrary to and disrespectful, i app, p..— contrary to and disrespectful, i app, in many— contrary to and disrespectful, i think, in many ways. and now i gen-a— think, in many ways. and now i gen-l annn— think, in many ways. and now i don't think that— think, in many ways. and now i don't think that somebody enealln-l— don't think that somebody shouldn't be— don't think that somebody shouldn't be able to hold eplnlene— shouldn't be able to hold opinions that— shouldn't be able to hold opinions that are blasphemous. inane— opinions that are blasphemous. lnal-e nel— opinions that are blasphemous. that's not what— opinions that are blasphemous. that's not what saying. but that's not what i'm saying. but i that's not what i'm saying. but l-eawng— that's not what i'm saying. but l-eawng lnal— that's not what i'm saying. but i-saying that this- that's not what i'm saying. but i saying that this is i am saying that this is indicative— i am saying that this is indicative-the- i am saying that this is indicative the fact that the indicative of the fact that the enanen— indicative of the fact that the enanen ane — indicative of the fact that the church, the church of england , church, the church of england, nine— church, the church of england, never mind having sort of lost eenwel— never mind having sort of lost eenwel aa— never mind having sort of lost control act with— never mind having sort of lost control act with its its leewlne— control act with its its doctrine, its- control act with its its doctrine, its traditional cnnenan— doctrine, its traditional christian roots has gone so far to christian roots has gone so far ae paeleallv— christian roots has gone so far to basically becoming a non—christian- to basically becoming a non—christian organisation that lneee— non—christian organisation that lneee sene— non—christian organisation that lneee eene ef— non—christian organisation that these sorts of things don't neallv— these sorts of things don't neallv een— these sorts of things don't really even matter anymore . they really even matter anymore. they een-l— really even matter anymore. they een-l neallv— really even matter anymore. they don't really even— really even matter anymore. they don't really even they don't neallv— don't really even they don't neallv een— don't really even they don't really even shock. and i think wal— really even shock. and i think lnal vea— really even shock. and i think anal vea see— really even shock. and i think that you see this— really even shock. and i think that you see this this footage of that you see this this footage en lnle— that you see this this footage en lnle een— that you see this this footage of this sort of— that you see this this footage of this sort of weird pagan ceremony taking place in a enanen— ceremony taking place in a enanen ana— ceremony taking place in a church and you— ceremony taking place in a church and you think, well, it's not church and you think, well, it's nel anal— church and you think, well, it's nel lnal leng— church and you think, well, it's not that long since there was a pan— not that long since there was a pan pan— not that long since there was a putt putt course— not that long since there was a putt putt course and a helter elellen— putt putt course and a helter elellen ana— putt putt course and a helter skelter and one— putt putt course and a helter skelter and one of the cathedrals _ skelter and one of the cathedrals and so what do you lee— cathedrals and so what do you lee l— cathedrals and so what do you lee l nean— cathedrals and so what do you do? i mean, someone someone like me do? i mean, someone someone like ene-kw— do? i mean, someone someone like ene-kw ann— do? i mean, someone someone like ene-kw lnle wen- do? i mean, someone someone like me know this very well, me and you know this very well, calvin— me and you know this very well, calwn—ae- me and you know this very well, calwn—ae l- me and you know this very well,j calvin,_as i saw calvin, because as soon as i saw lnle— calvin, because as soon as i saw pig, l— calvin, because as soon as i saw pig, l sall— calvin, because as soon as i saw pig, l sale we— calvin, because as soon as i saw this, i said this to— calvin, because as soon as i saw this, i said this to you that in — this, i said this to you that in winning— this, i said this to you that i'm thinking, can i be the i'm thinking, can i be in the enanen— i'm thinking, can i be in the enanen ef— i'm thinking, can i be in the church of england anymore? i een-l— church of england anymore? i gang-.— church of england anymore? i een-l-l-pe- church of england anymore? ii don't-i-be because don't know if i can be because i een-l— don't know if i can be because i een-l lnlnl— don't know if i can be because i

don't think that— don't know if i can be because i don't think that there really it aeeen-l— don't think that there really it doesn't matter— don't think that there really it doesn't matter-or- don't think that there really it doesn't matter or not doesn't matter whether or not lnev-ne— doesn't matter whether or not lnev-ne-ap- doesn't matter whether or not lnev-ne-ap fen- doesn't matter whether or noti they're-up for-is they're standing up for what is nae— they're standing up for what is nae-ane— they're standing up for what is true .the gospel.— they're standing up for what is true the gospel. just don't true or the gospel. i just don't lnlnl— true or the gospel. i just don't lnlnl anew-ne— true or the gospel. i just don't think they're standing up for anything-— think they're standing up for anvlnlng. l— think they're standing up for anything. i don't if they anything. i don't know if they even-nev- anything. i don't know if they even-lnev ane- anything. i don't know if they- even -they are anymore. even know who they are anymore. i even know who they are anymore. l-eav— even know who they are anymore. l-eav lnev— even know who they are anymore. i-say they-standing- even know who they are anymore. i say they standing up i would say they are standing up for i would say they are standing up fen-pal— i would say they are standing up fen-pal nel— i would say they are standing up for-but not the- i would say they are standing up for but not the gospel. for things, but not the gospel. t hey— for things, but not the gospel. lnev pael— for things, but not the gospel. they just identify as christian. well— they just identify as christian. well-l— they just identify as christian. well-l len— they just identify as christian. well,-i left over- well, indeed, i left over the critical stuff, but critical race theory stuff, but the transgender and the the transgender stuff and the climate becoming bigger climate stuff is becoming bigger than transgender than ever. that transgender archdeacon does make a difference no difference because there's no such in in the such thing as trans in in the church. quite rightly church. and you quite rightly mentioned he's publishing mentioned that he's publishing some one of some weird stuff. here's one of his god. chuckling his prayers. holy god. chuckling wise first blasphemy wise woman first blasphemy straight. and straight. there tender and strange. you. bless strange. we bless you. bless us, trouble us, bewitch into trouble us, bewitch us into delight love, mercy delight with your love, mercy and . christ our sister. and grace. christ our sister. unite us in your holy bleeding . unite us in your holy bleeding. as you took spit and dust for healing. take our hands, crack and huge as washerwoman's for god's work. take our sacred bodies for the healing of the world. it goes on. i can't even read it to the end because it's just so blasphemous that it upsets me. this this person has been promoted to an archdeacon. i know you're not in this denomination, come even

denomination, but come on, even you that is heresy you can see that that is heresy that seeing right there. that we're seeing right there. the stuff is more the climate stuff is more lnaeneenng— the climate stuff is more interesting to _ the climate stuff is more interesting to me. if" interesting to me. deflection. no, interesting to me. deflection. welne. l-ll— interesting to me. deflection. no,-no. i'lltell- interesting to me. deflection. no,-no. i'll tell you- interesting to me. if cl“ blip i'll tell you why no, no, no. i'll tell you why we— no, no, no. i'll tell you why we plan— no, no, no. i'll tell you why this stuff is— bl; i'll tell you why this stuff is interesting to me. no,— this stuff is interesting to me. we, ne— this stuff is interesting to me. no, no, because— this stuff is interesting to me. no, no, because saint francis. nlgnn — no, no, because saint francis. nlgnn wne— no, no, because saint francis. nlgnl. wne ane— no, no, because saint francis. right. who the pope is named an...— right. who the pope is named anen—pawen- right. who the pope is named after, patron saint after, he was the patron saint of, after, he was the patron saint age-paw,— after, he was the patron saint of, know, effectively he of, you know, effectively he being— of, you know, effectively he being at— of, you know, effectively he being at-with- of, you know, effectively he being at with nature, being at one with nature, a gneal— being at one with nature, a gneal neepeel— being at one with nature, a great respect for animals is, as the great respect for animals is, as lne-geee— great respect for animals is, as lne-geee, nn— great respect for animals is, as the-goes, i'm sure- great respect for animals is, as. the-goes, i'm sure -of the hymn goes, i'm sure many of wean— the hymn goes, i'm sure many of wean wewe— the hymn goes, i'm sure many of your viewers listeners are your viewers and listeners are fanlllan— your viewers and listeners are fanlllan wnn— your viewers and listeners are familiar with it.— your viewers and listeners are familiar with it. all things pngnl— familiar with it. all things bright beautiful, all bright and beautiful, all creatures great and small. the leng— creatures great and small. the lend-male— creatures great and small. the lord-made them- creatures great and small. the lord made them all. now god lord god made them all. now god aeeenplw— lord god made them all. now god aeeenplw win.— lord god made them all. now god assembly him. oh,— lord god made them all. now god assembly him. oh, fantastic. one of assembly him. oh, fantastic. one en—n- assembly him. oh, fantastic. one ef—n 0a,- of the best. you belt it out, een-a— of the best. you belt it out, gen-l you? — of the best. you belt it out, don't you? banger- of the best. you belt it out, don't you? 3 ' don't you? banger absolute bangen don't you? banger absolute banger. the thing. banger. but here's the thing. i een-l— banger. but here's the thing. i een-l-wnw— banger. but here's the thing. i een-l-wnw an— 3 but here's the thing. i don't why an appreciation don't see why an appreciation for don't see why an appreciation fen eel-e— don't see why an appreciation for god's creation— don't see why an appreciation for god's creation and nature ana— for god's creation and nature and ne— for god's creation and nature and the world— for god's creation and nature and the world and all creatures ana— and the world and all creatures and a— and the world and all creatures and a neepeel— and the world and all creatures and a respect for— and the world and all creatures and a respect for all life is at elas— and a respect for all life is at eaae wnn— and a respect for all life is at eaae win a— and a respect for all life is at odds with a belief in climate enange— odds with a belief in climate enange ana— odds with a belief in climate change and as— odds with a belief in climate change and as an appendage to anal— change and as an appendage to ma lnal— change and as an appendage to ma ma a— change and as an appendage to that that a collapse in biodiversity- that that a collapse in biodiversity .- that that a collapse in biodiversity . we're losing biodiversity. we're losing plenlw— biodiversity. we're losing plenlw en— biodiversity. we're losing plenty of species, a loss of nalanal— plenty of species, a loss of nalanal-er- plenty of species, a loss of natural et cetera. et natural habitat. et cetera. et eena-l— natural habitat. et cetera. et eenaa l— natural habitat. et cetera. et cetera. i think— natural habitat. et cetera. et cetera. i think saint francis weall— cetera. i think saint francis weala nne— cetera. i think saint francis would find that— cetera. i think saint francis would find that troubling. and, you would find that troubling. and, wea knew,— would find that troubling. and, wea lnew, nee— would find that troubling. and, you know, he's one of the quintessential— you know, he's one of the quintessential in quintessential saints in the carnelia— quintessential saints in the catholic church. f c?" catholic church. push back on that and pose that as a question to because the issue to you then, because the issue that i have with that weird

that i have with with that weird red vested cult that saw red vested cult that i saw there, they have there, and they did have vestments, liturgy, vestments, they had liturgy, they i would say they had hymns, i would say that's a cult. the issue i had with that is because they're not worshipping they're worshipping the creator, they're worshipping his creation. and that's what it a gnostic that's what makes it a gnostic heresy. interesting point. it is eneenelen— gnosticism broadly correct? wean.— gnosticism broadly correct? yeah. .conceptually, - gnosticism broadly correct? i yeah. .conceptually, ithink yeah. yeah conceptually, i think that's right. i was that's probably right. i was hoping would lg iwas hoping would disagree. that's probably right. i was- hoping-would disagree. thank hoping you would disagree. thank wea— hoping you would disagree. thank yea—we— hoping you would disagree. thank yea—we l— hoping you would disagree. thank yea—we l lnlnl- you. go on, eva. no i think it's amalgam,— you. go on, eva. no i think it's gnosticism, not— you. go on, eva. no i think it's gnosticism, not just on the climate— gnosticism, not just on the climate change— gnosticism, not just on the climate change stuff, but on all of. — climate change stuff, but on all oil inle— climate change stuff, but on all of. this-what— climate change stuff, but on all of. this-what i- climate change stuff, but on all of. this-what i mean- climate change stuff, but on alli of. this-what i mean when of it. this is what i mean when i that think these i say that i think these extraneous non—christian beliefs are are becoming dominant within the church . and you experienced the church. and you experienced this calvin , because this yourself, calvin, because you pushed by you were basically pushed out by it but i think that when you, it. but i think that when you, you know, and aaron, i would i would say that i would identify as a christian conservative, lviv environmentalist, i believe that, of course, that you should be a good custodian of the planet. and that's what the bible teaches. but but that is not this environmentalist climate catastrophist cult that we're seeing. and i think that

that the problem here and going back to some of the some of the things that have been written by this, this archdeacon suggesting that men he regretted having given birth to christ that the angel didn't want mary to say yes to being impregnated with christ. these are things that are so off the rails. they are so far off the rails that my only observation is simply that the church of england is having such a profound identity crisis if it thinks that these things fall within the sphere of the church of england. and it's and it's dr. prynne and the and the gospel teachings that it's so far off the rails that it's sort of ceased to be itself. and that's to not say that people can't hold heretical views or or write things that are blasphemous. the teachers can't know, but it's just that the church of england itself doesn't know what it is anymore. okay aaron, i'm going to put this to you because this this nick, man, this archdeacon , there's two

this archdeacon, there's two issues that i have here. one is the issues that i have here. one is ane plaepnenw— issues that i have here. one is the blasphemy, the— "lirlz one is the blasphemy, the prayers, the wnnnge— the blasphemy, the prayers, the wnnnge. ana— the blasphemy, the prayers, the writings. and in— the blasphemy, the prayers, the writings. and in some of them, he writings. and in some of them, ne nae— writings. and in some of them, he has admitted— writings. and in some of them, he has admitted that he has a menu— he has admitted that he has a mental disorder— he has admitted that he has a mental disorder of gender awepnena.— mental disorder of gender awepnena. se— mental disorder of gender dysphoria. so he has admitted wan— dysphoria. so he has admitted lnan-eeeena— dysphoria. so he has admitted that.-second part- that. the second part issue i nawe— that. the second part issue i nawe-anaa— that. the second part issue i nawe-lnal le— that. the second part issue i have-that is that- that. the second part issue i have that is that the have with that is that the enanen— have with that is that the church affirmed have with that is that the - church-affirmed-mental church has affirmed his mental illness— church has affirmed his mental illness supporting illness rather than supporting nin— illness rather than supporting nln—nln- illness rather than supporting nln—nln lnl illness rather than supporting nln—nln in a him and encouraged him in a panel— him and encouraged him in a panel lnal— him and encouraged him in a stance that i— him and encouraged him in a stance that i would say is antithetical— stance that i would say is antithetical to _ stance that i would say is antithetical to the scriptures. i antithetical to the scriptures. l weall— antithetical to the scriptures. lweala eav— antithetical to the scriptures. i would say that— antithetical to the scriptures. i would say that the scriptures leaen— i would say that the scriptures leaen ae— i would say that the scriptures teach us that— i would say that the scriptures teach us that-god- i would say that the scriptures teach us that god made us teach us that that god made us in teach us that that god made us lnilnage— teach us that that god made us ln-lnage. eea— teach us that that god made us. in-image. god-male in his image. god made us male ana— in his image. god made us male and female,— in his image. god made us male and female,-there- in his image. god made us male and female, there is no such and female, and there is no such lnlng— and female, and there is no such lnlng ae— and female, and there is no such lnlng ae wane— and female, and there is no such thing as trans and— and female, and there is no such thing as trans and actually we are our bodies— thing as trans and actually we are our bodies and our and are our bodies and our souls and the are our bodies and our souls and we wea— are our bodies and our souls and we idea-we— are our bodies and our souls and we laea-we ane— are our bodies and our souls and the idea-we are in- are our bodies and our souls and the idea we are in the the idea that we are in the wneng— the idea that we are in the wneng pelv— the idea that we are in the wrong body-an- the idea that we are in the wrong body an affront to god. the idea that we are in the wroridea dy an affront to god. the idea that we are in the wroridea that an affront to god. the idea that we are in the wroridea that we affront to god. the idea that we are in the wroridea that we can ont to god. the idea that we are in the wroridea that we can change rod. the idea that we are in the wroridea that we can change into the idea that we can change into a-eex en enange- the idea that we can change into a sex or change from a different sex or change from eenelnlng— a different sex or change from something that— a different sex or change from something that he created us weala— something that he created us weala pe— something that he created us would be.affront- something that he created us would be affront to god. would be an affront to god. wnene— would be an affront to god. wnene-paa- would be an affront to god.| where-put- how would be an affront to god.- where-put- how does where do you put that? how does the where do you put that? how does lne-neeenelle— where do you put that? how does the - reconcile that? - where do you put that? how does the reconcile that? how the church reconcile that? how lees— the church reconcile that? how lees-ennen— the church reconcile that? how does-church .well,- does the church say, well, aelaallw— does the church say, well, aelaallw, we — does the church say, well, actually, we think this is a geea— actually, we think this is a geea lnlng— actually, we think this is a good thing and— actually, we think this is a good thing and we're to good thing and we're going to pneneae— promote it even if the scriptures— promote it even if the scriptures are against it. well— scriptures are against it. well, i personally - scriptures are against it. well, personally don't believe well, i personally don't believe that. i don't personally agree with what i would say with that. and what i would say is any christian is obviously any christian is this debate to this is a familiar debate to anyone, is you're anyone, which is you're accountable for your actions and you have repent your

you have to repent for your actions else's actions and somebody else's business problem. it's business is their problem. it's between god with between them and god and with relation substantial relation to the substantial question, there again, this is a question, there again, this is a question of orthodoxy for the church it church of england. i think it goes back something we've goes back to something we've said on the show, which said before on the show, which is england is is the church of england is a church attached to state and church attached to a state and it's attached a state which it's attached to a state which is a liberal democracy. and what we've the last 100, we've seen over the last 100, 150 is a transition to 150 years is a transition to where we the individual is where we say the individual is more and more and more important. individualism has important. and individualism has upsides. it has downsides. aids we to debate those we don't need to debate those today. i what you're today. but i think what you're seeing, the seeing, particularly with the church west, just broadly church in the west, just broadly faith what's interesting faith and what's interesting is islam completely rejects this. right? this praise right? is this is this praise and and veneration of and attention and veneration of the which often the individual, which is often at with millennia old at odds with millennia old principles that we've principles and values that we've inherited various faiths. inherited from various faiths. and feel like west and it does feel like west western christianity is moving in a different direction to other faiths like islam. and again, that's just an observation. no, it's a good l— observation. no, it's a good l lnlnl— observation. no, it's a good one. i think that— no, it's a good one. i think that aaron spot on lnene— one. i think that aaron spot on nene-anal— one. i think that aaron spot on there .that.are- one. i think that aaron spot on there that are making there and that we are making gene— there and that we are making gene ef— there and that we are making gods of ourselves— there and that we are making gods of ourselves and this whole this gods of ourselves and this whole we wnele— gods of ourselves and this whole this whole trans— gods of ourselves and this whole this whole trans this this whole trans thing, this wnele— this whole trans thing, this whole that whole having an archdeacon that is wane— whole having an archdeacon that is wane le— whole having an archdeacon that is trans is again,— whole having an archdeacon that is trans is again, it's all

appear— is trans is again, it's all about self—identity. all about self—identity. it's all appeal— about the individual being the eel— about the individual being the new name— about the individual being the god rather than— about the individual being the god rather than redirecting our gaze— god rather than redirecting ourj gaze—gnealen. gaze towards someone greater. seeene— gaze towards someone greater. seneene-vean.- gaze towards someone greater.l someone -yeah.lmean, someone bigger. yeah. i mean, nwe— someone bigger. yeah. i mean, i've sense for a very i've had this sense for a very long time and i've church hopped all over the country and. and sometimes you look around yourself and you think, i don't know whether even the clergy believes in the gospel . well, i believes in the gospel. well, i don't know whether they really believe in this. and, you know , believe in this. and, you know, orwell even writes about this going back well into into the 1920s. he's obviously been a phenomenon that's been taking place a long time. but place for a very long time. but i fundamentally, the i think fundamentally, the church it is church of england, because it is the church perhaps, and i the state church perhaps, and i would an argument for would never make an argument for disestablishment because i know we that. but i, we disagree on that. but i, i think that the church feels that it needs like society it needs to become like society in to justify its own in order to justify its own existence. right. the existence. that's right. and the problem if it does that, problem is that if it does that, it the church, it ceases to be the church, because the whole purpose of a church, of a religious church, of a of a religious belief of the very most the most bafic belief of the very most the most basic christian idea of preaching gospel , you cannot preaching the gospel, you cannot do that whilst becomes a thing like society. and if they think

that's going to get more bums on pews, i think we've seen justin welby actually took some personal responsibility for this. other day. i think this. the other day. i think we've seen that it doesn't get bums it's opposite. bums on pews. it's the opposite. it's chasing people away from the because they the church because what they want is want when they go to church is sincerely convictions and sincerely held convictions and beliefs. and that's not to say that churches are dogmatic and not welcoming, but they want sincerity and authenticity and what they get from the church of england is this weird pagan wellness cult that they've basically become , well, i'm with basically become, well, i'm with you on that, and i do want to i know you're flirting with catholicism. i do want to get to man— catholicism. i do want to get to anal. al— catholicism. i do want to get to anal. al ee— catholicism. i do want to get to that. at some point,— at. i do want to get to that. at some point, maybe we u...— that. at some point, maybe we lann anal— that. at some point, maybe we can turn that into— that. at some point, maybe we can turn that into a debate on a naaane— can turn that into a debate on a future episode.— can turn that into a debate on a future episode. but— can turn that into a debate on a future episode. but this is also the future episode. but this is also we paler-eea— future episode. but this is also ane paler-eel en— future episode. but this is also the subject of my— future episode. but this is also the subject of my twitter poll relay. — the subject of my twitter poll relay-asking,— the subject of my twitter poll today. asking, with so many today. i'm asking, with so many enanenee— today. i'm asking, with so many churches—pride- today. i'm asking, with so many churches pride month churches celebrating pride month and—we-we- churches celebrating pride month anwea—we eeeni and this week alone, we've seen climate— and this week alone, we've seen climate-ana— and this week alone, we've seen climate-and bristol- climate cultists and bristol calneanal— climate cultists and bristol cathedral promotion climate cultists and bristol cathedral-promotion a cathedral and the promotion of a wane— cathedral and the promotion of a trans archdeacon— cathedral and the promotion of a trans archdeacon in— cathedral and the promotion of a trans archdeacon in has trans archdeacon in bolton has the trans archdeacon in bolton has ane-englanl- trans archdeacon in bolton has the england ditched the church of england ditched cnnenanlw— the church of england ditched christianity religion the church of england ditched citheianity religion the church of england ditched cithe answers religion the church of england ditched cithe answers yes, religion the church of england ditched cithe answers yes, theeligion the church of england ditched cithe answers yes, the religion ? the answers yes, the religion of ? the answers yes, the religion ef-en— ? the answers yes, the religion en-en ne— ? the answers yes, the religion of-or no, they're- ? the answers yes, the religion of or no, they're just of woke or no, they're just gelling— of woke or no, they're just gelnng wnn— of woke or no, they're just getting with the times. you have aneanen— getting with the times. you have aneanen le— getting with the times. you have another 15 minutes— getting with the times. you have another 15 minutes or so to head

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claire has been instructed , but claire has been instructed, but she's instructed her lawyers to appeal and hopes to take the to case an upper tier informational tribunal. here to discuss this, i'm delighted to welcome the director of the family education trust, peter williams . peter, trust, peter williams. peter, thanks for coming on. thank you for having me. great to be with wea. — for having me. great to be with you. this is this is a complicated one. let's let's give our viewers a bit of a synopsis. so claire's daughter returned to from school returned to her from school after having been taught some returned to her from school after sketchyieen taught some returned to her from school after sketchy contentght some returned to her from school after sketchy content int some returned to her from school after sketchy content in the ne quite sketchy content in the classroom. upset classroom. and claire was upset about tried to find out about this, tried to find out what the lesson content was . the what the lesson content was. the school guarded because school was guarded because they're using a third party external resource . and what external resource. and what happened that ? well, she happened after that? well, she makes an foi request- happened after that? well, she makes an foi request .- : m7 well, she makes an foi request. this : m7 well, she makes an foi request . this is makes an foi request. this is lenien— makes an foi request. this is denied-the— makes an foi request. this is denied-the school- makes an foi request. this is denied the school on the denied by the school on the lane— denied by the school on the basis lnal— denied by the school on the basis that this— denied by the school on the basis that this is from a third party— basis that this is from a third party organisation . this then party organisation. this then gees— party organisation. this then geeela— party organisation. this then goes-a tribunal- party organisation. this then goes a tribunal and a judge goes to a tribunal and a judge nae— goes to a tribunal and a judge nae leaded— goes to a tribunal and a judge has decided that— goes to a tribunal and a judge has decided that actually no, we— has decided that actually no, the commercial— has decided that actually no, the commercial interests of this enganleanen— the commercial interests of this organisation trump the right of a panena— organisation trump the right of a panenl e— organisation trump the right of a panenl e le— organisation trump the right of a parent s to actually see this nalenal— a parent s to actually see this material that's— a parent s to actually see this material that's been exposed to her material that's been exposed to nen enlll. — material that's been exposed to nen enlll. se— material that's been exposed to her child. so actually we've had material that's been exposed to her schoolso actually we've had material that's been exposed to her school see ctually we've had material that's been exposed to her school see it. ally we've had material that's been exposed to her school see it. we'vet've had material that's been exposed to her school see it. we've had �*iad material that's been exposed to her school see it. we've had an the school see it. we've had an lnnennanen— the school see it. we've had an information commissioner see it,

wewea-— information commissioner see it, wewea- range— information commissioner see it, wewea- iaage eee- information commissioner see it, we've a judge see it, but we we've had a judge see it, but we aelaallw— we've had a judge see it, but we aelaallw-naa— we've had a judge see it, but we actually-had the- we've had a judge see it, but we actually had the parent actually haven't had the parent s actually haven't had the parent ena.— actually haven't had the parent e-ll wnen— actually haven't had the parent s-it, which should- s see it, which should be scandalous. _ s see it, which should be scandalous. -isl scandalous. acas it is scandalous. acas it is scandalous they're scandalous because they're saying interests saying the commercial interests of company trump of the third party company trump the child's welfare. exactly. and by commercial here and by commercial interests here we that they're afraid that we mean that they're afraid that someone copy their someone might copy their resources. and there's a copyright there. copyright claim there. but surely if that's the case, schools shouldn't be able to teach that content. surely the priority be for parents priority should be for parents to their is to know what their child is being taught. exactly. well what we're-is a prioritisation. we're seeing is a prioritisation of we're seeing is a prioritisation en wnal— we're seeing is a prioritisation en wnaa l— we're seeing is a prioritisation en wnaa l an— we're seeing is a prioritisation of what i can only— we're seeing is a prioritisation of what i can only as of what i can only describe as a ee-ln— of what i can only describe as a sex-in.industrial. sex education in an industrial eenplex— sex education in an industrial eenplex el— sex education in an industrial complex of not— sex education in an industrial complex of not only these third party— complex of not only these third party organisations and their eennnneaelal— commercial interests, but also the establishment the educational establishment and establishment the educational establishment an over establishment the educational establishment anover kind establishment the educational establishment anover kind oftablishment the educational establishment anover kind of ideologyznt at over this kind of ideology lnal— at over this kind of ideology lnallnew— at over this kind of ideology that-now being- at over this kind of ideology that now being fed as a part that is now being fed as a part of institutional— that is now being fed as a part of institutional capture throughout— of institutional capture throughout the system, from eeneele— throughout the system, from schools right— throughout the system, from schools right up— throughout the system, from schools right up the dfee, schools right up to the dfee, lne— schools right up to the dfee,| the _ education, schools right up to the dfee,- the_education, and the department of education, and lnen— the department of education, and lnen-ee— the department of education, and lnen-ee lne— the department of education, and then so the indoctrination then also so the indoctrination of then also so the indoctrination el—eenlng- then also so the indoctrination el—eenlng ae| then also so the indoctrinationi el—eenlng as a of children that is coming as a real— of children that is coming as a aeeall el— of children that is coming as a result of that. _ of children that is coming as a result of that. what got me so allel— result of that. what got me so nlellaleal— result of that. what got me so riled-about this— result of that. what got me so riled about this peter, riled up about this one, peter, is riled up about this one, peter, le-lne— riled up about this one, peter, is the acknowledged is that the judge acknowledged that is that the judge acknowledged lnal-eenlenl— is that the judge acknowledged that-content was- that the content was controversial it was controversial and that it was leaenlng— controversial and that it was teaching practises and ideas lnal— teaching practises and ideas lnal-wenlnw— teaching practises and ideas that-worthy of- teaching practises and ideas that worthy of public that are worthy of public eaallnw— that are worthy of public scrutiny, but— that are worthy of public scrutiny, but still ruled agalnel— scrutiny, but still ruled against. claire exactly . well,

against. claire exactly. well, if against. claire exactly. well, ll wee— against. claire exactly. well, ll gelng— against. claire exactly. well, if we're going to— against. claire exactly. well, if we're going to have rac and wnal— if we're going to have rac and wnal ellen— if we're going to have rac and what often happens with this is lnal— what often happens with this is lnal peeple— what often happens with this is lnal peeple ean— what often happens with this is that people can have their enlllaen— that people can have their children taken— that people can have their children taken out of the sps the children taken out of the sps lne eea— children taken out of the sps lne up,— children taken out of the sps the sex bit, but— children taken out of the sps the sex bit, but-r- children taken out of the sps the sex bit, but r and the the sex bit, but the r and the nealln— the sex bit, but the r and the nealln ell— the sex bit, but the r and the health bit as— the sex bit, but the r and the health bit as rsha that is health bit as well. rsha that is the health bit as well. rsha that is lne mean— health bit as well. rsha that is lne ew— health bit as well. rsha that is the means by which these aellwlele— the means by which these activists actually get their lleelegw— activists actually get their ideology-we're . activists actually get their ideology we're going ideology in. so if we're going to ideology in. so if we're going le-lnle— ideology in. so if we're going to -this, then— ideology in. so if we're going to this, then there should to have this, then there should be -transparency. - to have this, then there should be transparency. the be total transparency. the lanllw— be total transparency. the family foundational and family is the foundational and nalaaal— family is the foundational and nalaaal anll— family is the foundational and natural unit of— family is the foundational and natural unit of society. it has a leeenwlng— natural unit of society. it has a leeenwlng el— natural unit of society. it has a deserving of the protection nen— a deserving of the protection laen—lne- a deserving of the protection from _the state. i a deserving of the protection. from _the state. and from society and the state. and not from society and the state. and nel enlw— from society and the state. and nel enlw gap,— from society and the state. and not only that, if— from society and the state. and not only that, if that's if that is not only that, if that's if that le lne— not only that, if that's if that le lne ease— not only that, if that's if that is the case, then— not only that, if that's if that is the case, then there has to be transparency— is the case, then there has to be transparency and parents have to be transparency and parents have lellne— be transparency and parents have lellne pnlnanw— be transparency and parents have to the primary educators of to be the primary educators of well— to be the primary educators of lnal—ll- to be the primary educators of lnela—ll wea- to be the primary educators ofi their—if you don't their children. and if you don't nawe— their children. and if you don't have transparency, have that transparency, that can-l— have that transparency, that can't-instead- have that transparency, that can't instead children can't function. instead children are can't function. instead children subject— can't function. instead children paler-eel le— can't function. instead children are subject to the— can't function. instead children are subject to the interests of aellwlele— are subject to the interests of activists rather— are subject to the interests of activists rather than the paaenle— activists rather than the parents themselves. absolutely i-sail_ parents themselves. absolutely l-eawlnal— parents themselves. absolutely i-say that children - parents themselves. absolutely i-say that children belong i would say that children belong to than that, to god, but other than that, they to their parents, to god, but other than that, thelto to their parents, to god, but other than that, thelto the to their parents, to god, but other than that, thelto the state heir parents, to god, but other than that, thelto the state and parents, to god, but other than that, thelto the state and notents, to god, but other than that, thelto the state and not to s, to god, but other than that, thelto the state and not to the not to the state and not to the school. right. that's school. that's right. that's bonkers me. but this rac bonkers to me. but this rac curriculum that you just mentioned brought in the mentioned was brought in by the so—called conservative government and you're quite right sex elements are right that the sex elements are still parents take still optional. parents can take their the their children out. but the relationship obligatory. relationship part is obligatory. however, it's taught is however, the way it's taught is that are interchangeable

that these are interchangeable and schools are and actually schools are struggling teachers are struggling because teachers are not in how to sex not trained in how to teach sex education or relationship education. recruiting education. so they're recruiting these resources, whether these outside resources, whether they people coming into they are people coming into schools or literal resources that teaching, and they that they're teaching, and they are what have been infiltrated. so schools have so even if schools don't have activist they're activist teachers, they're bringing through the bringing activism through the back door. that's right. and that's utterly unacceptable. lneae— that's utterly unacceptable. lneae nae— that's utterly unacceptable. lneae nae-a— that's utterly unacceptable. there has a prioritisation there has to be a prioritisation of there has to be a prioritisation el-el— there has to be a prioritisation el-el paaenle- there has to be a prioritisation of-of parents as- of the rights of parents as enllnanw— of the rights of parents as ordinary citizens who are being a pal— ordinary citizens who are being a paalllne— ordinary citizens who are being a part the educational system a part of the educational system ana— a part of the educational system anal-enlllnen— a part of the educational system and-children are- a part of the educational system and children are part and their children are part of we— and their children are part of he ewelen— and their children are part of this system.-has- and their children are part of this system. has to be this system. there has to be reprioritization_ this system. there has to be reprioritization and centralised aellen—lnela- reprioritization and centralisedi action _their rights action on them and their rights as pnnanw— action on them and their rights as primary educators of their enlllaen— as primary educators of their children, not— as primary educators of their children, not these activists, nel— children, not these activists, nel lne— children, not these activists, not the educational establishment think establishment who think they knew— establishment who think they lnew-. — establishment who think they lnew-. se— establishment who think they lnew-. se l- establishment who think they know-. so i want- establishment who think they know-. so i want to. establishment who think they- know-. so i want to bring know better. so i want to bring my panel in minute, but i just my panel in a minute, but i just want note that the rule that want to note that the rule that the ruled that some the the judge ruled that some of the materials were suitable for materials were not suitable for children, quotation children, and that's a quotation there. was there. and also that it was intro activist. so i'm struggling to get my head around the idea that judge has looked the idea that a judge has looked at content and said, at all this content and said, actually, we shouldn't be teaching but at the teaching this kids. but at the same time said parents are not allowed to look it. how do we

allowed to look at it. how do we move past where do we go? move past this? where do we go? how parents their how do parents reclaim their rights? think there has rights? well, i think there has to rights? well, i think there has le le— rights? well, i think there has le le a— rights? well, i think there has to be a firstly,— rights? well, i think there has to be a firstly, there- ” 9x57 well, i think there has to be a firstly, there has ” gs7 well, i think there has to be a firstly, there has to be a aeeaplane— to be a firstly, there has to be a neeaplane el— to be a firstly, there has to be a recapture of the— to be a firstly, there has to be a recapture of the system. i lnlnl— a recapture of the system. i lnlnl l— a recapture of the system. i think i would— a recapture of the system. i think i would encourage, as many peeple— think i would encourage, as many peeplelleeene— think i would encourage, as many people become governors people to become governors of eeneele— people to become governors of schools- actually- schools because actually- geweanenewea—p governors have a lot of power ewe—el— governors have a lot of power ewe—el aeae- over these kind of areas. i lnlnl— over these kind of areas. i think that's— over these kind of areas. i think that's really hugely lnpenanl.— think that's really hugely important-at- think that's really hugely important. at the think that's really hugely important.-at the time, important. but at the same time, were— important. but at the same time, lneae-le— important. but at the same time, lneae-le le— important. but at the same time, there-to be some— important. but at the same time, there to be some kind of there has to be some kind of pelllleal— there has to be some kind of political reform _ there has to be some kind of political reform to make sure lnal— political reform to make sure lnal panenle— political reform to make sure that parents statutory that parents have a statutory ngnl— right to this kind of to eenalnlw— right to this kind of to- certainly _transparency. certainly some transparency. ara,— certainly some transparency. alla—lac- certainly some transparency. i also,_rac should also, i don't think rac should be also, i don't think rac should lee al— also, i don't think rac should lee al all— also, i don't think rac should be at all compulsory. i think it eneall— be at all compulsory. i think it eneall lee— be at all compulsory. i think it should be entirely— be at all compulsory. i think it should be entirely something wnen— should be entirely something which—parentsl which is optional for parents ana— which is optional for parents anal—ll- which is optional for parents and—it should. which is optional for parents. and—it should still and then again, it should still be and then again, it should still leelnallea— and then again, it should still be matter negotiation be a matter of negotiation leelween— be a matter of negotiation between and between parents. the schools and anwene—wanl- between parents. the schools and anwene—wanl le- anyone else. they want to lnwelwe. — anyone else. they want to lnwelwe. l— anyone else. they want to involve. i would- anyone else. they want to involve. i would agree. : involve. i would agree. i would say— involve. i would agree. i would saw lnle— involve. i would agree. i would saw lnle le— involve. i would agree. i would say this is stuff that parents should teaching their should be teaching their children, not schools. going children, not schools. i'm going to to panel now. emma to come to my panel now. emma webb, of lesson titles webb, some of the lesson titles that at online from that i've looked at online from this resource centre say, well, they'reto erotica and, guide to sex toys, erotica and, magic are fun for all the magic wands are fun for all the family can queer sex the problem with heteronormativity now, with heteronorm ativity. now, would children with heteronormativity. now, would children to would you want your children to be stuff? no. and be taught this stuff? no. and that not be taught this stuff? no. and that-not something-i that was not something that i wanlel— that was not something that i ever wanted-hear- that was not something that i ever wanted hear you say. ever wanted to hear you say. alas— ever wanted to hear you say. acas-reading- ever wanted to hear you say. acas reading those out , i

acas covid. reading those out, i lnlnl— acas covid. reading those out, i think-horrifying- acas covid. reading those out, i think-horrifying .- acas covid. reading those out, i think-horrifying . i- think it's pretty horrifying. i weall— think it's pretty horrifying. i would immediately pull my child out would immediately pull my child eal-eeneel— would immediately pull my child out-school-simply- out of the school just simply leeeaaee— out of the school just simply because _think- out of the school just simply because-think if- out of the school just simply because think if you because i don't think if you can-l— because i don't think if you ean-l laael— because i don't think if you can't trust them— because i don't think if you can't trust them with this, nallng— can't trust them with this, nallng lne— can't trust them with this, making the decision use that making the decision to use that lnal— making the decision to use that lnlal—lnen- making the decision to use that lnlal—lnen weal third party provider, then you can-l— third party provider, then you ean-l laael— third party provider, then you can't trust them.— third party provider, then you can't trust them. full stop. i lnlnl— can't trust them. full stop. i think fundamentally that . so two think fundamentally that. so two lllnge— think fundamentally that. so two lnlnge. nlnellw— think fundamentally that. so two things. firstly, you— think fundamentally that. so two things. firstly, you mentioned in things. firstly, you mentioned ln lnle— things. firstly, you mentioned ln lnle ralge-e— things. firstly, you mentioned in this judge's ruling, it's wen— in this judge's ruling, it's wenv clean— in this judge's ruling, it's very clear that- in this judge's ruling, it's very clear that this contradicts the government's— very clear that this contradicts the government's advice around lnleelnlnallen— the government's advice around indoctrination in— the government's advice around indoctrination in schools and nlgnlw— indoctrination in schools and highly politicised contested lleae— highly politicised contested lleae leelng— highly politicised contested ideas being taught in schools. so ideas being taught in schools. se lnal-e— ideas being taught in schools. se lnal-e ne— ideas being taught in schools. so that's one thing and that's pari— so that's one thing and that's pan el— so that's one thing and that's pan el lne— so that's one thing and that's part of the case— so that's one thing and that's part of the case that's going to we— part of the case that's going to we nlgnea— part of the case that's going to this higher court— part of the case that's going to this higher court .— part of the case that's going to this higher court . and the this higher court. and the eeeenl— this higher court. and the second thing— this higher court. and the second thing is that if the if we— second thing is that if the if lne lean— second thing is that if the if lne eeaal le— second thing is that if the if the court is ruling that the commercial— the court is ruling that the commercial interests of the eenpanw— commercial interests of the eenpanw are— commercial interests of the company are more important than the company are more important than lne paella— company are more important than the public interest— company are more important than the public interest ,_ company are more important than the public interest, given that the public interest, given that the education— the public interest, given that the education secretary actually wnele— the education secretary actually wrele le— the education secretary actually wrote to schools. _ the education secretary actually wrote to schools. i— the education secretary actually wrote to schools. i think it was in wrote to schools. i think it was ln maren— wrote to schools. i think it was ln maren lnle— wrote to schools. i think it was in march this year— wrote to schools. i think it was in march this year saying that all materials— in march this year saying that all materials should be made awallalele— all materials should be made available to— all materials should be made available to teachers. there eneall — available to teachers. there eneall lee — available to teachers. there eneall lee a— available to teachers. there should be a straightforward ban on should be a straightforward ban en aelng— should be a straightforward ban en aelng anv— should be a straightforward ban on using any third party pnewllene— on using any third party providers that cannot disclose lnal—

providers that cannot disclose that material— providers that cannot disclose that material because of their eennnnerelal— that material because of their commercial interests . those are commercial interests. those are not organisations— commercial interests. those are not organisations that are fit for not organisations that are fit len epenallng— not organisations that are fit for operating in— not organisations that are fit for operating in schools. if lnew— for operating in schools. if lnew can-l— for operating in schools. if they can't share- for operating in schools. if they can't share that material. ana— they can't share that material. and frankly,— they can't share that material. ana nanny, r— they can't share that material. and frankly, i think it's a bit eaepeel— and frankly, i think it's a bit eaepeel ll— and frankly, i think it's a bit suspect if there's any organisation- suspect if there's any organisation working in a school lnal— organisation working in a school lnal wealln-l— organisation working in a school that wouldn't want to be eenplele,— that wouldn't want to be complete, transparent with parenle— complete, transparent with panenle ana— complete, transparent with parents and accountable , of parents and accountable, of ll— parents and accountable, of course it would _ parents and accountable, of course it would at least by the way,— course it would at least by the wave lee— course it would at least by the way, be possible— course it would at least by the way, be possible to put it up on the way, be possible to put it up on lne-weleelle— way, be possible to put it up on the-website or- way, be possible to put it up on the website or some means the school website or some means by the school website or some means try—happene- the school website or some means lew—nappen anl by which that would happen, an lnlranel— by which that would happen, an intranet description intranet or some description ralner— intranet or some description ralner-pal- intranet or some description ralner-pal ll- intranet or some description rather-put it out. intranet or some description rather put it out into rather than just put it out into the rather than just put it out into lne paella— rather than just put it out into the public realm. that way the parents could see it and it wouldn't a problem wouldn't be a problem commercially. should commercially. so there should be some aaron what's some means. aaron what's your lake— some means. aaron what's your take-this? — some means. aaron what's your take .this? well,— some means. aaron what's your take-this? well, there's- some means. aaron what's your take this? well, there's some take on this? well, there's some points of agreement and disagreement. think, first disagreement. i think, first of all, rac is good. all, i think rac is good. personally, i think it's good to teach young that not teach young people that not everybody is you, not everybody is like you, not everybody is like you, not everybody you. everybody thinks like you. you live people live in a society where people disagree. and we need to teach children to those children to mediate those differences properly. but then on specifics of this, on the specifics of this, i think the ip, the intellectual property arguments so property arguments are just so strange. they're strange. you would think they're talking about, you know, a nuclear fusion reactor. they say if are available, if the blueprints are available, people them it people could copy them and it would be a big commercial

downside for us. i don't quite buy for but from buy that for this, but this from the judgement just the from the judgement was just remarkable. the commissioner recognised area recognised that in this area parents have rights to decide what or is not taught to what is or is not taught to their children. as you've been saying. that those saying. he notes that those rights exercised rights cannot be exercised in a meaningful parents meaningful way without parents being subject being aware of the subject matter children are likely being aware of the subject mrbelr children are likely being aware of the subject mrbe taught. hildren are likely being aware of the subject mrbe taught. sojren are likely being aware of the subject mrbe taught. so ien are likely being aware of the subject mrbe taught. so i don'tl likely to be taught. so i don't understand how you can say that and come this and then come to this conclusion. finally, conclusion. and finally, look, i don't think there should be like a right thing where you a left right thing where you have enterprise going have a private enterprise going into school, being into a public school, being funded taxpayer funded through taxpayer money, and will not and they're saying we will not disclose the materials to the parents. this is taxpayer money. and to taxpayer and when it comes to taxpayer money, everybody and when it comes to taxpayer money, whether everybody and when it comes to taxpayer money, whether they everybody and when it comes to taxpayer money, whether they votelbody out there, whether they vote liberal, or labour, thinks out there, whether they vote libeiyou or labour, thinks out there, whether they vote libeiyou should.abour, thinks out there, whether they vote libeiyou should haver, thinks out there, whether they vote libeiyou should have athinks out there, whether they vote libeiyou should have a certain that you should have a certain measure of scrutiny with that. so look, want make so look, if you want to make money a business by money and have a business by teaching kids in schools funded by clearly have by taxpayers, you clearly have to materials you're to disclose the materials you're teaching. it seems quite obvious to me. amen. thank you. thank you— to me. amen. thank you. thank you-very— to me. amen. thank you. thank you-very naen. — to me. amen. thank you. thank you-very much. peter- you all very much. peter wllllanna— you all very much. peter williams, director the williams, the director of the family education thank family education trust. thank you today. next you for your time today. next on my crusade, i will my common sense crusade, i will be to comedian paul be speaking to comedian paul

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tv radio and online gb news nrllaln— tv radio and online gb news nnllaln .— tv radio and online gb news britain . well— tv radio and online gb news britain . well come back to the britain. well come back to the common sense— britain. well come back to the common sense crusade with me the lewerenl— common sense crusade with me the lewenenl calwln— common sense crusade with me the reverend calvin robinson and wear— reverend calvin robinson and wear lv— reverend calvin robinson and your tv online— reverend calvin robinson and your tv online and on your wlreleee— your tv online and on your wireless next— your tv online and on your wireless next weekend at all salnle— wireless next weekend at all saints church _ wireless next weekend at all saints church comedian paul carena— saints church comedian paul carenza will— saints church comedian paul carenza will be— saints church comedian paul carenza will be presenting a wen— carenza will be presenting a very epenal— carenza will be presenting a very special performance , the very special performance, the lnl— very special performance, the llnel ewe— very special performance, the first ever religious broadcast wlll— first ever religious broadcast wlll lee— first ever religious broadcast will be restaged in what we are lell— will be restaged in what we are lell wlll— will be restaged in what we are lell wlll lee— will be restaged in what we are told will be a— will be restaged in what we are told will be a part— will be restaged in what we are told will be a part historic re—enactment_ told will be a part historic re—enactment ,- told will be a part historic re—enactment , part sermon, part re—enactment, part sermon, part lranalle— re—enactment, part sermon, part dramatic monologue as a landmark nnennenl— dramatic monologue as a landmark nnennenl le— dramatic monologue as a landmark moment is re—enacted. what cerlaln— moment is re—enacted. what cerlaln le— moment is re—enacted. what certain is that— moment is re—enacted. what certain is that it will be entertaining and proceeds will go to the all saints big build project . and paul joins us now project. and paul joins us now to tell us more. good evening, paul. good evening. thanks for nawlng— paul. good evening. thanks for nawlng ne— paul. good evening. thanks for nawlng ne . — paul. good evening. thanks for nawlng me we.— paul. good evening. thanks for having me . no, not- paul. good evening. thanks for having me . no, not at- good evening. thanks for having me . \l::r having me. no, not at all. thank you for coming on. can you give us an outline of first of all, how did you discover the first ever religious broadcast in this country ? yeah. so i've been country? yeah. so i've been lelng— country? yeah. so i've been lelng a— country? yeah. so i've been lelng a ll— country? yeah. so i've been doing a bit of— country? yeah. so i've been doing a bit of a— country? yeah. so i've been doing a bit of a big- £15.20? yeah. so i've been doing a bit of a big build prep-eel— doing a bit of a big build project myself- doing a bit of a big build project myself in terms of

leallllng— project myself in terms of leallllng my— project myself in terms of building my knowledge of newly,— building my knowledge of nlelerw el— building my knowledge of history, of broadcasting really new— history, of broadcasting really new ll— history, of broadcasting really new ll leegan— history, of broadcasting really how it began. of— history, of broadcasting really how it began. of course, radio anl— how it began. of course, radio anl new— how it began. of course, radio anl new lnal— how it began. of course, radio and how that affected then the well— and how that affected then the wenll — and how that affected then the world we're in— and how that affected then the world we're in today and ewervlnlng— world we're in today and everything in— world we're in today and everything in between. but i lewe— everything in between. but i lewe lne— everything in between. but i love the fact— everything in between. but i love the fact that there are lneee— love the fact that there are lneee lnl— love the fact that there are these first firsts- love the fact that there are these first firsts and there's so these first firsts and there's ee llllle — these first firsts and there's ee llllle we — these first firsts and there's so little we know about it. so i all— so little we know about it. so i all a— so little we know about it. so i all a ll— so little we know about it. so i all a lell el— so little we know about it. so i did a bit of digging. i must acknowledge _ did a bit of digging. i must acknowledge a— did a bit of digging. i must acknowledge a couple of people. guy— acknowledge a couple of people. guy-andy— acknowledge a couple of people. guy-andy-wai guy called andy mabbett who nelpel— guy called andy mabbett who nelpel ne— guy called andy mabbett who helped me, who— guy called andy mabbett who helped me, who digitised this lnl— helped me, who digitised this first religious— helped me, who digitised this first religious broadcast the llnllnge— first religious broadcast the. findings—library findings in the british library ,-p.ra.r_ findings in the british library ,-p.ra.r el— findings in the british library ,-friend of mine,- findings in the british library , friend of mine, dr. jim , and a friend of mine, dr. jim harne— , and a friend of mine, dr. jim nannle—paell harris, who was cycling past a enaren— harris, who was cycling past a enaren ln— harris, who was cycling past a church in peckham , he saw church in peckham, he saw a plagae— church in peckham, he saw a plagae en— church in peckham, he saw a plagae en lne— church in peckham, he saw a plaque on the wall of this enaren— plaque on the wall of this church and— plaque on the wall of this church and it— plaque on the wall of this church and it said, here in july of church and it said, here in july el rem,— church and it said, here in july el rem, len.— church and it said, here in july of 1922, dr. james— church and it said, here in july of 1922, dr. james ebenezer of1922, dr. james ebenezer eeene— of 1922, dr. james ebenezer eeene gawe— of1922, dr. james ebenezer boone gave the— of 1922, dr. james ebenezer boone gave the first religious lerealeael— boone gave the first religious broadcast in— boone gave the first religious broadcast in britain. and i was by— broadcast in britain. and i was curious by this— broadcast in britain. and i was curious by this because this is aleeal— curious by this because this is aleeal lean— curious by this because this is about four months before for a enannel— about four months before for a enannel lnal— about four months before for a channel that you— about four months before for a channel that you may have heard of channel that you may have heard el called— channel that you may have heard el eallel lne— channel that you may have heard of called the bbc— channel that you may have heard of called the bbc came into leelng— of called the bbc came into leelng. ana— of called the bbc came into being. and it's— of called the bbc came into being. and it's often been wllelw— being. and it's often been widely thought that actually the first widely thought that actually the lnal—was- widely thought that actually the lnal—was eni first religious broadcast was on the first religious broadcast was on lne—lwe- first religious broadcast was on lne—lwe, rezzl first religious broadcast was oni the—eve, 1922 on the bbc christmas eve, 1922 on lnelr— the bbc christmas eve, 1922 on lnelr lenlen— the bbc christmas eve, 1922 on their london station called two oh their london station called two en all— their london station called two en all .— their london station called two en all . ana— their london station called two en all . ana ln— their london station called two oh am . and in fact, yeah, four oh am. and in fact, yeah, four nenlne— oh am. and in fact, yeah, four months earlier— oh am. and in fact, yeah, four months earlier there's this one preaener— months earlier there's this one pneaenen ln— months earlier there's this one preacher in peckham in his

enanen— preacher in peckham in his enaren anl— preacher in peckham in his church and he— preacher in peckham in his church and he thought, let's use we— church and he thought, let's use we ne— church and he thought, let's use this new invention— church and he thought, let's use this new invention of wireless . this new invention of wireless. so this new invention of wireless. se r— this new invention of wireless. se r lewe— this new invention of wireless. se r lewe lne— this new invention of wireless. so i love the fact— this new invention of wireless. so i love the fact you introduce wlreleee— so i love the fact you introduce wlneleee al— so i love the fact you introduce wireless at the— so i love the fact you introduce wireless at the start of wireless at the very start of we— wireless at the very start of this-actually— wireless at the very start of this actually send entire this to actually send an entire enaren— this to actually send an entire church service— this to actually send an entire church service out— this to actually send an entire church service out there into lne— church service out there into lne aelner— church service out there into the aether for— church service out there into the aether for anyone who has a rage— the aether for anyone who has a ralle eel— the aether for anyone who has a ralle eel le— the aether for anyone who has a radio set to listen. _ the aether for anyone who has a radio set to listen. 'r: the aether for anyone who has a radio set to listen. ' r: the aether for anyone who has a radio set to listen. 'r: r: r: radio set to listen. and how did that work and how far would the broadcast have reached at that point? well, yeah, so his plan le— point? well, yeah, so his plan le le— point? well, yeah, so his plan le le ll— point? well, yeah, so his plan was to do it in— point? well, yeah, so his plan was to do it in to— 7 well, yeah, so his plan was to do it in to broadcast his aelaal— was to do it in to broadcast his actual church. _ was to do it in to broadcast his actual church. he— was to do it in to broadcast his actual church. he wanted to lerealeael— actual church. he wanted to broadcast church service and broadcast the church service and he broadcast the church service and ne appllel— broadcast the church service and ne appllel le— broadcast the church service and he applied to the— broadcast the church service and he applied to the government. lne— he applied to the government. the government— he applied to the government. the government no, because the government said no, because if the government said no, because ll-wear— the government said no, because ll-wear enanen— if we give your church a lleenee,— if we give your church a licence, we'll- if we give your church a licence, we'll to give licence, we'll have to give ewerw— licence, we'll have to give ewerw-a— licence, we'll have to give every-a licence.- licence, we'll have to give every a licence. so licence, we'll have to give. every-a licence. so we every church a licence. so we found— every church a licence. so we found a— every church a licence. so we found a factory— every church a licence. so we found a factory five miles away. who— found a factory five miles away. who-have— found a factory five miles away. who-have a— found a factory five miles away. who-have a licence- found a factory five miles away. who have a licence in who did have a licence in blackheath._ who did have a licence in blackheath. broadcast then blackheath. he broadcast it then from— blackheath. he broadcast it then from there— blackheath. he broadcast it then from there-his— blackheath. he broadcast it then from there his church. from there into his church. so that-s— from there into his church. so that's-miles,— from there into his church. so that's-miles, not- from there into his church. so that's miles, not too far. that's five miles, not too far. and— that's five miles, not too far. and he — that's five miles, not too far. and he had— that's five miles, not too far. and he had no— that's five miles, not too far. and he had no idea then how far it would— and he had no idea then how far it would reach— and he had no idea then how far it would reach beyond that. you were never going— it would reach beyond that. you were never going get national were never going to get national at were never going to get national alw— were never going to get national at-stage. but— were never going to get national at-stage. but if— were never going to get national at-stage. but if the- were never going to get national at stage. but if the wind's at that stage. but if the wind's in-rigm— at that stage. but if the wind's in-rigm-you- at that stage. but if the wind's in-rigm-you gol at that stage. but if the wind'si in-rigm-you goa in the right direction, you go a bit further.— in the right direction, you go a bit further. so— in the right direction, you go a bit further. so-got- bit further. so he then got feedback,— bit further. so he then got feedback, he _ bit further. so he then got feedback, he got letters not radio— feedback, he got letters not radio-but- feedback, he got letters not radio-but he - feedback, he got letters not radio-but he got. radio feedback, but he got letters— radio feedback, but he got letters encouragement from letters of encouragement from from — letters of encouragement from from godalming_ letters of encouragement from from godalming in surrey, from the hash— from godalming in surrey, from the east coast.— from godalming in surrey, from the east coast. not entirely sure where, but— the east coast. not entirely sure where, but i think east ahghe— sure where, but i think east ahghe eeh—

sure where, but i think east anglia sort of— sure where, but i think east anglia sort of area by the eeuhee— anglia sort of area by the eeuhee eh— anglia sort of area by the sounds of it,— anglia sort of area by the sounds of it, a- anglia sort of area by the sounds of it, a holiday destination— sounds of it, a holiday destination over there before there— destination over there before there wee— destination over there before there e— destination over there before there was a butlins, he got as far there was a butlins, he got as he he— there was a butlins, he got as far as coventry— there was a butlins, he got as far as coventry as— there was a butlins, he got as far as coventry as well. i think that-e— far as coventry as well. i think hheh-e the— far as coventry as well. i think that's the furthest— that's the furthest we definitely— that's the furthest we l definitely- sure definitely know for sure he reached—so definitely know for sure he- reached _so that's, reached from peckham. so that's, that-e— reached from peckham. so that's, there-hee- — reached from peckham. so that's, that's-bad. that's— reached from peckham. so that's, that's bad. that's 100 that's not bad. that's 100 hues,— that's not bad. that's 100 miles,-miles- that's not bad. that's 100. miles,-miles-and that's not bad. that's100- miles,-miles-and for miles, 150 miles maybe. and for the time— miles,150 miles maybe. and for the time h— miles, 150 miles maybe. and for the time it was— miles, 150 miles maybe. and for the time it was in— miles, 150 miles maybe. and for the time it was in very low power— the time it was in very low power operations . that's quite power operations. that's quite impressive,— power operations. that's quite impressive, really. that's hhheehe— impressive, really. that's fantastic work. �*vwhz; ”c: z fantastic work. we're not quite a religious broadcast. fantastic work. we're not quite a religious broadcast . we do a religious broadcast. we do have christian but it have a christian angle, but it last year we broadcast my ordination, which as far as i know was the first ordination to be broadcast. i don't know if you've gathered any more in your historical research. i have seen no evidence— historical research. i have seen no evidence ef— historical research. i have seen no evidence of anyone- " ht." i have seen no evidence of anyone before you.— no evidence of anyone before you. se— no evidence of anyone before you. so here— no evidence of anyone before you. so let's call— no evidence of anyone before you. so let's call you the he.— you. so let's call you the he. how— you. so let's call you the first. how about that? you can have— first. how about that? you can have hheh — first. how about that? you can have that. all— first. how about that? you can have that. all right,- first. how about that? you can have that. g gig have that. all right, let's get a plaque up on the gb news studios for that one. then get the heme— studios for that one. then get the plaque uh— studios for that one. then get the plaque up right- sw: then get the plaque up right now. absolutely. _ the plaque up right now. absolutely. certainly about absolutely. but certainly about then,— absolutely. but certainly about theh—eh- then, the early days of ehgheue— then, the early days of- religious _they religious broadcasting, they| were—aha were very, very careful. and eneelh— were very, very careful. and eneelh eee— were very, very careful. and once, i dare mention the once, if i dare mention the chehheh— once, if i dare mention the channel again,— once, if i dare mention the channel again, started channel again, bbc started broadcasting— channel again, bbc started broadcasting religious broadcasts— broadcasting religious broadcasts from 1920. to bear in mine,— broadcasts from 1920. to bear in mine—ehehhehl mind, they're the only channel in mind, they're the only channel h—fer— mind, they're the only channel in _for several- in the country for several decades,— in the country for several decades, - reith, - in the country for several decades, reith, who was decades, john reith, who was a christian— decades, john reith, who was a christian himself,— decades, john reith, who was a christian himself, of course, he— christian himself, of course, his father— christian himself, of course, his father was— christian himself, of course, his father was moderator of the

oflchurch— his father was moderator of the of church scotland. the of a church in scotland. the hee— of a church in scotland. the free _scotland. - of a church in scotland. the free scotland. and of a church in scotland. the- free _scotland. and he free church of scotland. and he veh— free church of scotland. and he very-about- was very particular about wanting— was very particular about wanting broadcasting for wanting to use broadcasting for the heheh-e— wanting to use broadcasting for the nation's soul.— wanting to use broadcasting for the nation's soul. and he wanted to the nation's soul. and he wanted he hreeeeeeh— the nation's soul. and he wanted to broadcast religious broadcasts,- to broadcast religious broadcasts, but he had to keep the church— broadcasts, but he had to keep the church on— broadcasts, but he had to keep the church on side— broadcasts, but he had to keep the church on side and he got the— the church on side and he got the sort— the church on side and he got the eeh eh— the church on side and he got this sort of council together of church— this sort of council together of church leaders— this sort of council together of church leaders they could church leaders so they could week—whet- church leaders so they could work—what sort. church leaders so they couldi work _what sort of work out exactly what sort of flavour— work out exactly what sort of flavour christianity. and flavour of christianity. and they— flavour of christianity. and they something around they decided something around they decided something around the—hee- they decided something around the—hhe ofl the sort of protestant kind of fairly— the sort of protestant kind of area, fairly church of england , area, fairly church of england, area, fairly church of england, a hhhe— area, fairly church of england, a hhhe hh— area, fairly church of england, a little bit of— area, fairly church of england, a little bit of catholic, ehewee— a little bit of catholic, allowed on _ a little bit of catholic, allowed on the air occasionally , hut— allowed on the air occasionally , hut thet— allowed on the air occasionally , hut that wee— allowed on the air occasionally , but that was the— allowed on the air occasionally , but that was the sort of the wane— , but that was the sort of the wane they— , but that was the sort of the brand they wanted. they thought eemethhg— something that is accessible. thie— something that is accessible. the—wheel this is, of course, just after the—wer- this is, of course, just after the—wee ee- this is, of course, just afteri the _war as well. this is, of course, just after- the _war as well. so the first world war as well. so the first world war as well. so the hhc, — the first world war as well. so the hhc, the — the first world war as well. so the bbc, the bbc's first first church— the bbc, the bbc's first first church service— the bbc, the bbc's first first church service ,— the bbc, the bbc's first first church service , i— the bbc, the bbc's first first church service , i want people to church service, i want people to knew— church service, i want people to know where— church service, i want people to know where they— church service, i want people to know where they can find you as wet. — know where they can find you as wet. .we-e— know where they can find you as well. .we're running- know where they can find you as well. .we're running out. know where they can find you as well. m g well. and we're running out of time. so if you could tell people where they can see your performance. oh, a good performance. oh, it's a good point.— performance. oh, it's a good hehh wee.— performance. oh, it's a good point. yes-all- performance. oh, it's a good point. yes.-all saints. point. yes. well, all saints chweh— point. yes. well, all saints chweh yew— point. yes. well, all saints church, you mentioned it's in withere— church, you mentioned it's in guildford.-are- church, you mentioned it's ini guildford.-are-all guildford. there are many all sehte— guildford. there are many all saints—course,- saints churches, of course, eewhe— saints churches, of course, eeene-we- saints churches, of course, around _we are. around the land. we are rebuilding— around the land. we are- rebuilding—building rebuilding the church, building the—et— rebuilding the church, building the_of.saints. the church roof of all saints chweh— the church roof of all saints church guildford. be church in guildford. it'll be new— church in guildford. it'll be next saturday.— church in guildford. it'll be next saturday. and yeah, come along— next saturday. and yeah, come along ahe— next saturday. and yeah, come along and-the— next saturday. and yeah, come along and the first along and see. the first ehghewe— along and see. the first. religious-brought along and see. the first- religious-brought to religious broadcast brought to life—fantastic i life once again. fantastic

thehh— life once again. fantastic thank—heed life once again. fantastic - thank—paul carenza, thank you so much, paul carenza, for and for joining thank you so much, paul carenza, for and forjoining me for your time and for joining me this evening. brilliant this evening. my brilliant panellists or my duellists, emma webb bastani as well. webb and aaron bastani as well. thank time and your thank you for your time and your wonderful today. wonderful debates today. before we final break, we take a final break, let's have at what you guys have a look at what you guys have a look at what you guys have had to say about today's topics on on my monologue, jan says , i know i'm just one of a says, i know i'm just one of a massive majority of the militant way pregnancy is perceived . for way pregnancy is perceived. for example, a gp asking whether the pregnancy was planned at the outset makes me think an ill wind blows for the unborn. yes, i won't go into it, john, but the questions they ask are problematic to begin with, aren't they? hilary says. i'm listening to the debate on the church england. perhaps church of england. perhaps the most the church most important thing the church does a place for does is to provide a place for people to meet and support each other through all the trials of life. with respect and compassion. hilary compassion. it used to. hilary but throughout lockdown, when people other more people needed each other more than most, all the churches happened be and happened to be closed. and on claire case, clive says claire paige's case, clive says , what we have here is instead

nationalised child abuse . yes nationalised child abuse. yes yeah.i nationalised child abuse. yes yeah. i mean, it's indoctrination, it's foul. and we need parents to stand up and ask their schools what is being taught. thank you all for your comments this evening. thank you for tweeting and thank you for emailing. in final emailing. coming up in the final part my comments , crusade part of my comments, crusade this be talking this week, we'll be talking to michael shellenberger. one of the who produced the journalists who produced a bombshell this on bombshell report this week on the of covid 19 .

welcome back to the show. it's time for calvin's concern. earlier today, i took to twitter and asked with so many churches celebrating pride month and this week alone, we have seen climate cultists in bristol cathedral and the promotion of a trans archdeacon in bolton has the church of england ditched christianity for a new religion

7 christianity for a new religion ? the results are in and 89.8% of you say yes. the religion of woke , while 10.2% of you say no. woke, while 10.2% of you say no. they're getting with the times are is the truth starting to emerge about the origins of covid 19 last weekend , the covid 19 last weekend, the sunday times insight team reported that scientists in wuhan were working alongside the chinese military to combine the world's most dangerous coronaviruses. just before the outbreak, and that was followed by a bombshell article which revealed that us government sources say the first people to catch covid 19 were three chinese students. sorry scientists at the wuhan institute of virology, one of whom was leading the research into sars, like coronaviruses , into sars, like coronaviruses, michael shellenberger was one of the authors of that article and he joins us now. thank you so much for joining he joins us now. thank you so much forjoining us, michael. this is really, really important research. it's baffling to me as someone who is in the media when we were shut down a couple of years ago for raising the very thought that this virus could

have started in wuhan, but now you very firm evidence that you have very firm evidence that that the case. yeah that is very well the case. yeah that's right. and you should remember it's— that's right. and you should remember it's the- ” q and you should remember it's the same thing in the united— remember it's the same thing in the united states. _ remember it's the same thing in the united states. the washington - the united states. thei washington-a the united states. the- washington-a headline washington post had a headline where— washington post had a headline where they— washington post had a headline where they claimed that the lab week— where they claimed that the lab week-wee— where they claimed that the lab week-wee e— where they claimed that the lab leak was a debunked leak theory was a debunked eeheeheew— leak theory was a debunked conspiracy theory. there was ewee— conspiracy theory. there was ehee thie— conspiracy theory. there was also this idea— conspiracy theory. there was also this idea that it was whee— also this idea that it was raised ht— also this idea that it was raised ist to— also this idea that it was raised ist to imagine that the whee— raised ist to imagine that the hee— raised ist to imagine that the virus had leaked— raised ist to imagine that the virus had leaked from a lab and eeh— virus had leaked from a lab and eeh het— virus had leaked from a lab and somehow not raised just to hheehe— somehow not raised just to imagine h— somehow not raised just to imagine it came from chinese people— imagine it came from chinese people eeehe— imagine it came from chinese people eating bats or or or ether— people eating bats or or or other animals— people eating bats or or or other animals from a wet market. so other animals from a wet market. se h— other animals from a wet market. se h e— other animals from a wet market. se h eehe— other animals from a wet market. so it was quite absurd. we see the— so it was quite absurd. we see the eehe— so it was quite absurd. we see the eehe e— so it was quite absurd. we see this quite a bit,— so it was quite absurd. we see this quite a bit, by the way, where— this quite a bit, by the way, where eeehe— this quite a bit, by the way, where people that are engaged in a cover up accuse— where people that are engaged in a cover up accuse people that eeweehhe— a cover up accuse people that are revealing the— a cover up accuse people that are revealing the cover up of ehgeghg— are revealing the cover up of engaging h— are revealing the cover up of engaging in conspiracy theories. but engaging in conspiracy theories. eee whee— engaging in conspiracy theories. het whet we— engaging in conspiracy theories. but what we found from multiple sources in in positions to know in sources in in positions to know he the— sources in in positions to know he the us— sources in in positions to know in the us government that it was three— in the us government that it was three weheh— in the us government that it was three wuhan institute of whetegw— three wuhan institute of virology scientists. but not entw— virology scientists. but not ehtw thet— virology scientists. but not only thet ,— virology scientists. but not only that , they— virology scientists. but not only that , they were the ones only that, they were the ones wehthe— only that, they were the ones working wtth— only that, they were the ones working with sars, like coronaviruses and manipulating

theee— coronaviruses and manipulating theeeweeee— coronaviruses and manipulating those viruses, including with us funding- — those viruses, including with us funding- whe— those viruses, including with us funding. who were the first three— funding. who were the first thee eeeete— funding. who were the first three people to— funding. who were the first three people to become sick with cowh— three people to become sick with covth ehe— three people to become sick with covid and we're— three people to become sick with covid and we're talking here eheet— covid and we're talking here eheet eeh— covid and we're talking here eheet gain et— covid and we're talking here about gain of function, aren't wee — about gain of function, aren't wee wehe— about gain of function, aren't we? we're talking- about gain of function, aren't we? g we? we're talking about increasing the ability and the infectiousness of these viruses . but we've heard all along that it was there was no gain of function at play. and actually it in united it was outlawed in the united states in 2014. and by by barack obama, i believe so is it the case that it that this case that it seems that this virus a result of scientist virus was a result of scientist s playing around with gain of function ? oh, yeah, that's function? oh, yeah, that's right. i think it's important to our right. i think it's important to twe— right. i think it's important to our two countries— ” g i think it's important to our two countries are very thtet— our two countries are very thtet eh— our two countries are very linked on this— our two countries are very linked on this issue. you know the— linked on this issue. you know the cambridge— linked on this issue. you know the cambridge there's a cehhhtee— the cambridge there's a cambridge working group of eetehttete— cambridge working group of scientists raising the scientists who are raising the etehh— scientists who are raising the hem eheet— scientists who are raising the alarm about this— scientists who are raising the alarm about this gain of tehetteh— alarm about this gain of function research , which is function research, which is whteh— function research, which is whteh-h- function research, which is which in making which results in making coronaviruses- which results in making coronaviruses more infectious ehe— coronaviruses more infectious eht eeehe— coronaviruses more infectious and obama president obama acted on and obama president obama acted eh theee— and obama president obama acted on those recommendations to ban thet— on those recommendations to ban thet the— on those recommendations to ban thet the et— on those recommendations to ban that kind of research in the uhttet— that kind of research in the united states. _ that kind of research in the united states. but with anthony teeth— united states. but with anthony teeet ,— united states. but with anthony teeet , whe— united states. but with anthony fauci , who led— united states. but with anthony fauci , who led the response to fauci, who led the response to the—

fauci, who led the response to the eehtehte— fauci, who led the response to the pandemic in— fauci, who led the response to the pandemic in the united stetee— the pandemic in the united stetee ,— the pandemic in the united states , basically broke the law. states, basically broke the law. if states, basically broke the law. h het— states, basically broke the law. h net the— states, basically broke the law. h net the h— states, basically broke the law. if not the if not— states, basically broke the law. if not the if not the letter of it, if not the if not the letter of i, then— if not the if not the letter of i, then the— if not the if not the letter of it, then the spirit of it moved thet— it, then the spirit of it moved that research— it, then the spirit of it moved that research with the support of that research with the support et hehete— that research with the support of francis collins, who was the heet — of francis collins, who was the heet et— of francis collins, who was the heet et the — of francis collins, who was the head of the national institutes of head of the national institutes et heetth— head of the national institutes et heetth te— head of the national institutes of health, to china and the eeeeeh— of health, to china and the eeeeett et— of health, to china and the eeeeett et the— of health, to china and the support of the usaid. by the way,— support of the usaid. by the wee ether— support of the usaid. by the way, other agencies his into chhe— way, other agencies his into chhe .— way, other agencies his into chhe . ahe— way, other agencies his into china . and that— way, other agencies his into china . and that research went on china. and that research went on in china. and that research went on th the— china. and that research went on in this laboratory— china. and that research went on in this laboratory ,— china. and that research went on in this laboratory , which had a in this laboratory, which had a wee— in this laboratory, which had a were he— in this laboratory, which had a very tew tewet— in this laboratory, which had a very low level of— in this laboratory, which had a very low level of security. you thew— very low level of security. you knew ,— very low level of security. you knew , there-e— very low level of security. you know , there's three levels of know, there's three levels of eeeehtw— know, there's three levels of eeeehtw h— know, there's three levels of security in these— know, there's three levels of security in these labs . bsl one security in these labs. bsl one theeeeh— security in these labs. bsl one thteeeh teet— security in these labs. bsl one through four, it— security in these labs. bsl one through four, it was at bsl two. ahe— through four, it was at bsl two. and eeh— through four, it was at bsl two. and the— through four, it was at bsl two. and even the research i talked to and even the research i talked te eehe— and even the research i talked te eett thet— and even the research i talked to said that it— and even the research i talked to said that it may not have even been safe— to said that it may not have even been safe at bsl four heeeeee— even been safe at bsl four because the _ even been safe at bsl four because the virus itself is so teete— because the virus itself is so teetw tt-e— because the virus itself is so teetw tt-e ee— because the virus itself is so leaky, it's so contagious . so leaky, it's so contagious. so he— leaky, it's so contagious. so he eehe— leaky, it's so contagious. so it's quite irresponsible . well, it's quite irresponsible. well, we teeewe— it's quite irresponsible. well, we deserve answers to this . some we deserve answers to this. some people— we deserve answers to this. some people ththt— we deserve answers to this. some people think that— we deserve answers to this. some people think that this is not hheetteht— people think that this is not hheetteht et— people think that this is not important or somehow this is old tt-e— important or somehow this is old news. it's actually— important or somehow this is old news. it's actually part of a tweeter— news. it's actually part of a broader abuse— news. it's actually part of a broader abuse of power that eeehe— broader abuse of power that we're seeing in— broader abuse of power that we're seeing in institutions in the uhttet— we're seeing in institutions in the united states and also in the— the united states and also in the wt— the united states and also in the wt . — the united states and also in the uk . yeah,— the united states and also in the uk . yeah, there- the united states and also in the uk. / e"tiil”tiil the united states and also in the uk . “43?" stiiz; the united states and also in the uk. “43?" ”iii:

the uk. yeah, there has to be accountability . and, you know, accountability. and, you know, there's the old slogan that fauci lied, people died, but it seems that might be case seems that might be the case now. can tell us a little now. can you tell us a little bit about the us involvement through niad and nih and such and the us might have funded and how the us might have funded this china? yeah, this research in china? yeah, well, out . well, this just came out. there-e— well, this just came out. there's-coat- well, this just came out. there's coat think well, this just came out. - there's-coat think tank there's a white coat think tank etetw— there's a white coat think tank etetw thet— there's a white coat think tank etetw thet teet— there's a white coat think tank study that just released a weheh— study that just released a report yesterday which pointed out report yesterday which pointed eet thet— report yesterday which pointed out that that— report yesterday which pointed out that that the— report yesterday which pointed out that that the national hetttete— out that that the national institute of— out that that the national institute of allergy and infectious _ institute of allergy and infectious diseases, which is the— infectious diseases, which is the eeehew— infectious diseases, which is the agency that— infectious diseases, which is the agency that fauci headed , the agency that fauci headed, het— the agency that fauci headed, het tehtet— the agency that fauci headed, had funded in— the agency that fauci headed, had funded in three separate greete— had funded in three separate etehte eet— had funded in three separate grants, $41 million to the wuhan hetttete— grants, $41 million to the wuhan hetttete et— grants, $41 million to the wuhan institute of virology , institute of virology, specifically - institute of virology, specifically to ben, who and his teeth— specifically to ben, who and his teeth whteh— specifically to ben, who and his team, which was— specifically to ben, who and his team, which was part of shi jing the-e— team, which was part of shi jing the-e teem — team, which was part of shi jing the-e teem te— team, which was part of shi jing ling's team to do— team, which was part of shi jing ling's team to do this research on ling's team to do this research eh sets— ling's team to do this research eh sets the— ling's team to do this research on sars like coronaviruses. so you— on sars like coronaviruses. so wee eeehe— on sars like coronaviruses. so you mean there's— on sars like coronaviruses. so you mean there's really not much het— you mean there's really not much het het— you mean there's really not much more not not much— you mean there's really not much more not not much more missing hem— more not not much more missing hem the— more not not much more missing hem the etew— more not not much more missing hem the etew e— more not not much more missing from the story ? it's— more not not much more missing from the story ? it's a picture from the story? it's a picture of from the story? it's a picture et the— from the story? it's a picture et the us— from the story? it's a picture of the us government funding the teeeeteh thet— of the us government funding the research that appears to have led research that appears to have tet theettw— research that appears to have led directly to _ research that appears to have led directly to the pandemic . led directly to the pandemic. thte— led directly to the pandemic. the he— led directly to the pandemic. this is absolutely— led directly to the pandemic.

this is absolutely shocking to me. but who do you think needs to be held to account? is it ben who and the and the wuhan institute or is it the american government for funding these this does there need this research? does there need to investigation, an to be an investigation, an independent investigation to figure be held figure out who needs to be held accountable? do they need to accountable? and do they need to be some kind of reparations and or this or punitive punishment for this ? i,i or punitive punishment for this ? i, i think we need what we had met— ? i, i think we need what we had ettet the— ? i, i think we need what we had ettet the wh— 7’ i, i think we need what we had after the 9/11 terrorist attacks , whteh— after the 9/11 terrorist attacks , whteh te— after the 9/11 terrorist attacks , whteh te e— after the 9/11 terrorist attacks , which is a bipartisan commission- , which is a bipartisan commission on with special hweetteethe— commission on with special investigative powers to get to the hettem — investigative powers to get to the bottom of— investigative powers to get to the bottom of what happened . the bottom of what happened. the— the bottom of what happened. thte teeee— the bottom of what happened. this issue, like— the bottom of what happened. this issue, like so— the bottom of what happened. this issue, like so many others in this issue, like so many others th the— this issue, like so many others he the uhttet— this issue, like so many others in the united states, has been thttet— in the united states, has been thttet etehe— in the united states, has been divided along partisan lines, ettheeeh— divided along partisan lines, ettheeeh e— divided along partisan lines, although a growing number of ameheem— although a growing number of americans do— although a growing number of americans do believe that it's a lab americans do believe that it's a teh teeh — americans do believe that it's a teh teeh het— americans do believe that it's a lab leak. but we— americans do believe that it's a lab leak. but we need accountability. and i think the ether— accountability. and i think the ether thhe— accountability. and i think the other thing that— accountability. and i think the other thing that people need to eeteteteeh— other thing that people need to understand, didn't understand, something i didn't ehteteteht— understand, something i didn't understand-i- understand, something i didn't understand i started understand fully until i started wehthe— understand fully until i started wehthe eh— understand fully until i started working on this— understand fully until i started working on this is that this research continues. they are eehthehe— research continues. they are eehthehe te— research continues. they are continuing to do— research continues. they are continuing to do this very risky eeh— continuing to do this very risky eeh et— continuing to do this very risky gain of function— continuing to do this very risky gain of function research at the— gain of function research at thte wew— gain of function research at this very moment. there's no weheh— this very moment. there's no proper oversight— this very moment. there's no proper oversight or regulation of proper oversight or regulation et h.— proper oversight or regulation et h we— proper oversight or regulation of it. we have— proper oversight or regulation of it. we have a— proper oversight or regulation of it. we have a stronger push by governments—

of it. we have a stronger push by governments to regulate eeeeeh— by governments to regulate eeeeeh meth— by governments to regulate speech much online than we do to teeetete— speech much online than we do to regulate coronavirus— speech much online than we do to regulate coronavirus research in thteteht— regulate coronavirus research in different labs— regulate coronavirus research in different labs .— regulate coronavirus research in different labs . so— regulate coronavirus research in different labs . so yeah, i regulate coronavirus research in different labs. so yeah, i think it's different labs. so yeah, i think tt-e hette— different labs. so yeah, i think it's pretty remarkable that there— it's pretty remarkable that there hasn't— it's pretty remarkable that there hasn't been more of an eetew— there hasn't been more of an eetew eheet— there hasn't been more of an outcry about it.— there hasn't been more of an outcry about it. i— there hasn't been more of an outcry about it. i think there's teet— outcry about it. i think there's teet eeeh— outcry about it. i think there's teet teem eh— outcry about it. i think there's just been an orchestrated ttehte— just been an orchestrated disinfo campaign aimed at etethe— disinfo campaign aimed at stoking uncertainty motty emeheetehe— stoking uncertainty motty emphasising the various ways in whteh— emphasising the various ways in whteh h— emphasising the various ways in whteh tt mteht— emphasising the various ways in which it might have been eeeethte— which it might have been possible for— which it might have been possible for this virus to come hem— possible for this virus to come hem etee— possible for this virus to come hem etee .— possible for this virus to come from nature . but— possible for this virus to come from nature . but i do think that from nature. but i do think that whet— from nature. but i do think that whet we— from nature. but i do think that whet we eew— from nature. but i do think that what we saw with— from nature. but i do think that what we saw with our reporting is what we saw with our reporting te thet— what we saw with our reporting te thet the— what we saw with our reporting is that the people— what we saw with our reporting is that the people that we spoke to is that the people that we spoke te th— is that the people that we spoke te th the— is that the people that we spoke te th the us— is that the people that we spoke to in the us government, that thew-te— to in the us government, that thewhe eeeethe— to in the us government, that they're speaking out because thew-te— they're speaking out because thewhe-hw— they're speaking out because thewhe-hw the- they're speaking out because they're by the cover they're outraged by the cover up,— they're outraged by the cover up, by— they're outraged by the cover eh, by the— they're outraged by the cover up, by the disinformation. it's eehe— up, by the disinformation. it's eehe tet— up, by the disinformation. it's gone tee eh— up, by the disinformation. it's gone tee eh e— up, by the disinformation. it's gone for on a very long time. i weett— gone for on a very long time. i weett etee— gone for on a very long time. i would also point— gone for on a very long time. i would also point out that the meet— would also point out that the heetlthe— would also point out that the head .the fbi _ would also point out that the head the fbi said earlier head of the fbi said earlier the— head of the fbi said earlier thte weee— head of the fbi said earlier this year that— head of the fbi said earlier this year that they known this year that they had known for this year that they had known tee—ttme- this year that they had known tet—ttme eet- this year that they had known l for—time our sources for quite some time our sources eew— for quite some time our sources eew thet— for quite some time our sources eew thet the— for quite some time our sources eew thet the us— for quite some time our sources say that the us government has thewh— say that the us government has thewh whe— say that the us government has known who the— say that the us government has known who the first patients were or what— known who the first patients were or what we— known who the first patients were or what we call patient zero since 2020.— were or what we call patient zero since 2020. so this has eeeh— zero since 2020. so this has teem going— zero since 2020. so this has been going there's been a it's a eh— been going there's been a it's a eh ehe— been going there's been a it's a eh eht e— been going there's been a it's a cover up and a disinformation ettett— cover up and a disinformation ettett .— cover up and a disinformation ettett . we— cover up and a disinformation effort . we need— cover up and a disinformation effort . we need a— cover up and a disinformation effort . we need a 911 style effort. we need a 911 style commission— effort. we need a 911 style commission to— effort. we need a 911 style commission to get to the bottom of commission to get to the bottom et tt. — commission to get to the bottom

et tt. ame— commission to get to the bottom et tt. and he— commission to get to the bottom of it. and in summary- commission to get to the bottom of it. and in summary ,- commission to get to the bottom of it. ' t: " t:tit of it. and in summary, who do you believe is fundamentally responsible for the cover up , responsible for the cover up, such as shutting down the debate around the wuhan lab leak and promoting ideas such as it came from a wet a wet market in china 7 from a wet a wet market in china ? well, we know who was because this has already been released in emails us shortly after depher in late january in the united states and there's emails that have been released showing that have been released showing that anthony fauci and francis collins comes back to dr. fauci again . sorry, michael, i'm going again. sorry, michael, i'm going to have to cut this short, but i do want to hear more from you. i understand you'll be on andrew doyle show tomorrow for our viewers and listeners who want to thank you so to tune in then. thank you so much. was the author and much. that was the author and free speech campaigner michael shellenberger. thank you for your now, each week your time today. now, each week on the show, we like end with your time today. now, each week 0iclosing ow, we like end with your time today. now, each week 0iclosing prayer. like end with your time today. now, each week 0iclosing prayer. and end with your time today. now, each week 0iclosing prayer. and eiweekh a closing prayer. and this week we're reading the collect for the sunday of the the second sunday of the trinity, we have from trinity, and we have kit from saint school .

saint anthony's boys school. oh, lord, who never fails to hete— oh, lord, who never fails to hem ee— oh, lord, who never fails to help us govern— oh, lord, who never fails to help us govern them. who thou hett— help us govern them. who thou hett te— help us govern them. who thou hett te bring— help us govern them. who thou dodi to bring up— help us govern them. who thou dodi to bring up thy steadfast teet— dodi to bring up thy steadfast teee ehe— dodi to bring up thy steadfast fear and love,— dodi to bring up thy steadfast fear and love, keep us the beach to fear and love, keep us the beach te thee— fear and love, keep us the beach te thee eheee— fear and love, keep us the beach to thee under protection of thy eeet — to thee under protection of thy good providence _ to thee under protection of thy good providence and make us have a good providence and make us have e hemeteet— good providence and make us have e hemeteet teet— good providence and make us have a perpetual fear and— good providence and make us have a perpetual fear and love of thy holy— a perpetual fear and love of thy hetw me— a perpetual fear and love of thy holy name through jesus christ our holy name through jesus christ teet- — holy name through jesus christ our lord. amen— holy name through jesus christ our lord. amen _ holy name through jesus christ our lord. amen l: et ctitt: our lord. amen goodbye and god bless. good evening.— our lord. amen goodbye and god bless. good evening. my- our lord. amen c: ft: ctitt: good evening. my name is bless. good evening. my name is teehet— bless. good evening. my name is teehet ewee— bless. good evening. my name is rachel ayres, and— good evening. my name is rachel ayres, and welcome to weee— rachel ayres, and welcome to your teteet— rachel ayres, and welcome to your latest gb— rachel ayres, and welcome to your latest gb news weather teteeeet— your latest gb news weather forecast brought— your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the wet— forecast brought to you by the thet etttee. — forecast brought to you by the met office. so— forecast brought to you by the met office. so it's been an eheetttet— met office. so it's been an unsettled first— met office. so it's been an unsettled first half of the weekend— unsettled first half of the weekend and— unsettled first half of the weekend and that's not going to heme— weekend and that's not going to change tomorrow.— weekend and that's not going to change tomorrow. this unsettled weethet— change tomorrow. this unsettled weethet te— change tomorrow. this unsettled weather is all— change tomorrow. this unsettled weather is all due— change tomorrow. this unsettled weather is all due to this area of weather is all due to this area et-heeeete— weather is all due to this area of-pressure that's- weather is all due to this area of pressure that's out to of low pressure that's out to the— of low pressure that's out to the weet— of low pressure that's out to the weet et— of low pressure that's out to the west of the— of low pressure that's out to the west of the uk, bringing various occlusions in from the eeeth—weet— various occlusions in from the south—west. and— various occlusions in from the south—west. and these are a bit of south—west. and these are a bit et e— south—west. and these are a bit et e teeee— south—west. and these are a bit et e teeee tet— south—west. and these are a bit of a focus for some— south—west. and these are a bit of a focus for some heavy eheee— of a focus for some heavy eheee ehe— of a focus for some heavy showers and thunderstorms is now teetthe— showers and thunderstorms is now teetthe et— showers and thunderstorms is now teetthe et the— showers and thunderstorms is now looking at the detail for this ewehthe— looking at the detail for this evening thunderstorms and evening and thunderstorms and eheee— evening and thunderstorms and eheee thet— evening and thunderstorms and showers that we've through showers that we've seen through tetee— showers that we've seen through tetew wit— showers that we've seen through today will continue tonight and eeeh— today will continue tonight and push northeastwards. there will

be push northeastwards. there will he e— push northeastwards. there will he e tew— push northeastwards. there will be a few clearer— push northeastwards. there will be a few clearer spells as well eeehe— be a few clearer spells as well eeeht thte— be a few clearer spells as well around this evening, but out for hetth— around this evening, but out for hetth ee— around this evening, but out for north sea coast,— around this evening, but out for north sea coast, low cloud will eeeh— north sea coast, low cloud will eeeh th— north sea coast, low cloud will eeeh th ee— north sea coast, low cloud will push in as well— north sea coast, low cloud will push in as well .— north sea coast, low cloud will push in as well . and this cloud push in as well. and this cloud ehe— push in as well. and this cloud eht eeme— push in as well. and this cloud eht et— push in as well. and this cloud and some of the— push in as well. and this cloud and some of the rain we've had eeehe— and some of the rain we've had eeeht tetee— and some of the rain we've had around today will— and some of the rain we've had around today will make for ehethet— around today will make for another warm _ around today will make for another warm and humid night. so to another warm and humid night. so te etett— another warm and humid night. so te etett sehtew— another warm and humid night. so to start sunday, it— another warm and humid night. so to start sunday, it will be eehe— to start sunday, it will be quite unsettled and for some wtth— quite unsettled and for some with showers— quite unsettled and for some with showers already to start the— with showers already to start the memhe— with showers already to start the morning, some places will e th— the morning, some places will e htt et— the morning, some places will see a bit of hazy— the morning, some places will see a bit of hazy brightness as wett— see a bit of hazy brightness as wett tetee— see a bit of hazy brightness as well before we— see a bit of hazy brightness as well before we see further heavy eheee— well before we see further heavy eheee eht — well before we see further heavy showers and thunderstorms popping— showers and thunderstorms popping ”pt— showers and thunderstorms popping up, especially as we get eeeett— popping up, especially as we get closer towards— popping up, especially as we get closer towards lunchtime. temperature _ closer towards lunchtime. temperature wise , tomorrow, temperature wise, tomorrow, theeeh— temperature wise, tomorrow, theeehwht— temperature wise, tomorrow, though, will be _ temperature wise, tomorrow, though, will be similar to tetee— though, will be similar to today, though,— though, will be similar to today, though, where we see any heteheet— today, though, where we see any heteheet eeehe— today, though, where we see any prolonged spells of showers, ththee— prolonged spells of showers, ththee wttt— prolonged spells of showers, things will feel— prolonged spells of showers, things will feel a little cooler eheee— things will feel a little cooler ehtet theee— things will feel a little cooler under those cloudier skies . now, under those cloudier skies. now, we te— under those cloudier skies. now, we te hewe— under those cloudier skies. now, we do have two— under those cloudier skies. now, we do have two yellow thunderstorm - we do have two yellow thunderstorm warnings out from theo— thunderstorm warnings out from 12:00 tomorrow.— thunderstorm warnings out from 12:00 tomorrow. and this is due to 12:00 tomorrow. and this is due te etehtw— 12:00 tomorrow. and this is due te etehtw et— 12:00 tomorrow. and this is due to plenty of thunderstorms eeehe— to plenty of thunderstorms around during— to plenty of thunderstorms around during tomorrow evening eeeeetettw. — around during tomorrow evening eeeeetettw. ahe— around during tomorrow evening especially. and these will push hetthwette— especially. and these will push northwards throughout the ettemeeh— northwards throughout the afternoon and _ northwards throughout the afternoon and overnight to clear eeetteht— afternoon and overnight to clear scotland during— afternoon and overnight to clear scotland during monday morning. and scotland during monday morning. me the— scotland during monday morning. and this could— scotland during monday morning. and this could bring some tteteetteh— and this could bring some disruption tomorrow evening. so do disruption tomorrow evening. so te cheet— disruption tomorrow evening. so he check the— disruption tomorrow evening. so do check the weather if you are

hewettthe. — do check the weather if you are hewettthe. tt— do check the weather if you are travelling. it will— do check the weather if you are travelling. it will mean that it wit— travelling. it will mean that it we he— travelling. it will mean that it we he eehe— travelling. it will mean that it will be quite a— travelling. it will mean that it will be quite a warm and humid etett— will be quite a warm and humid etett eeeh— will be quite a warm and humid etett eeeh eh— will be quite a warm and humid start again on monday morning, but start again on monday morning, het e— start again on monday morning, het e th— start again on monday morning, het e htt mee— start again on monday morning, but a bit more in— start again on monday morning, but a bit more in the way of httehtheee— but a bit more in the way of brightness, across brightness, especially across theteht— brightness, especially across england—e- brightness, especially across england—e e- brightness, especially across england _, a bit. england and wales, a bit eteettet— england and wales, a bit cloudier-some- england and wales, a bit cloudier some rain across cloudier with some rain across seetteht— cloudier with some rain across scotland-start— cloudier with some rain across scotland-start the- cloudier with some rain across scotland start the new week. scotland to start the new week. het— scotland to start the new week. het tetthet— scotland to start the new week. but further south— scotland to start the new week. but further south showers will tewetee— but further south showers will soon develop as— but further south showers will soon develop as we go towards wehtew— soon develop as we go towards monday afternoon— soon develop as we go towards monday afternoon and not much wit— monday afternoon and not much we ehehee— monday afternoon and not much will change throughout the rest of will change throughout the rest et-weeh— will change throughout the rest et-weet wtth— will change throughout the rest of week with showers of the week with showers eehtthethe — of the week with showers continuing though it will stay ehe— continuing though it will stay warm and humid

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ehetttw. — ehettty. — on this incredible story ehetttw. my— on this incredible story on this incredible story ehettty. thy— on this incredible story shortly. my mark meets guest is chemhteh— shortly. my mark meets guest is champion boxer— shortly. my mark meets guest is champion boxer and barrister teteet— champion boxer and barrister turned bestselling crime author tony— turned bestselling crime author tehy hem— turned bestselling crime author tehy heht .— turned bestselling crime author tehy teht . ae— turned bestselling crime author tehy teht . the e— turned bestselling crime author tony kent . as a barrister of tony kent. as a barrister of etmeet— tony kent. as a barrister of etmeet zo— tony kent. as a barrister of almost 20 years- tony kent. as a barrister of almost 20 years standing. tony hee— almost 20 years standing. tony has prosecuted— almost 20 years standing. tony has prosecuted and defended some of has prosecuted and defended some et the— has prosecuted and defended some et the meet— has prosecuted and defended some of the most high— has prosecuted and defended some of the most high profile ehmhet— of the most high profile criminal trials this country has ever seen . in my— criminal trials this country has ever seen . in my take