away . away. good morning. and welcome to the camilla tominey show lovely to have your company this morning . wow, week it's morning. wow, what a week it's been. morning. wow, what a week it's been . the newspapers are been. the newspapers are absolutely cracking this morning. can't to get into morning. can't wait to get into those we've michael those. we've got michael gove coming show secretary of coming on the show secretary of state levelling up frenemy state for levelling up frenemy of johnson who sacked him of boris johnson who sacked him on the day he announced his resignation as pm going to be speaking to all things speaking to him about all things partygate boris and beyond. david former brexit david davis, former brexit secretary and tory grandees coming on speak to me in the coming on to speak to me in the studio . i'm also to be studio. i'm also going to be discussing the snp and nicola sturgeon and all things scottish with anas sarwar , who's the with anas sarwar, who's the scottish labour leader. i'm going be joined by brendan going to be joined by brendan clarke—smith, the few clarke—smith, one of the few tories backing boris

tories still backing boris publicly, robert buckland , publicly, and robert buckland, the former justice secretary, is going his exclusive going to give me his exclusive reaction levi bellfield reaction to levi bellfield prison marriage. can you believe that? prisoners like levi bellfield despicable, evil criminals or even in a position to get married in prison? so i'll be discussing all that with him later. fun packed show. don't anywhere . stay me don't go anywhere. stay with me and through the front and let's go through the front pages. the sunday times has pages. so the sunday times has got an exclusive interview with prince william. i'll end homelessness . he says this is homelessness. he says this is about his plan to try and use the duchy of cornwall to house people in social housing. the sunday telegraph, starmer aide sue gray broke civil service job rules. going to be discussing that throughout the show. this is an exclusive by the sunday telegraph , basically says telegraph, which basically says that case and the top that simon case and the top lawyer there that was lawyer there found that she was in the rules in contravention of the rules for that job with for accepting that job with keir starmer, the observer, just an ex—mp sunak allies pour scorn on beaten johnson making the point that he is dead and buried in politics for now . the mail on politics for now. the mail on sunday proof boris accuser did

go to party in lockdown. this is about bernard jenkin. he's on that privileges committee and whether or not the party he went to was a party or was for business reasons. sun on sunday, three lions, kyle in wags bust up . we won't be covering that up. we won't be covering that story today but that's the front page of the sun on sunday sunday express now this i think hits at the heart of all of these problems we're going on about psychodramas in the tory party. who actually cares ? as the who actually cares? as the sunday express says, get a grip and economy. mean , and save economy. i mean, probably that should be the government's right now. government's priority right now. and sunday mirror lockdown video, bombshell . all the video, bombshell. all the partygate tapes . they've got partygate tapes. they've got footage of people partying in cchq. and who better to discuss that than the sunday mirror's former political editor nigel nelson . gb news is senior nelson. gb news is senior political analyst. i think we call you these days. commentator commentator yeah, i quite like analyst because it makes it sound slightly nasser esque. now look, old paper's got look, your old paper's got a great scoop here. they've managed to get this footage of

inaya inside this the inaya inside this party, the offending party with staff of sean bailey , formerly sean bailey, formerly a candidate london mayor now candidate for london mayor now appear the house of lords, appear in the house of lords, and he was ennobled by boris johnson. we're calling that leak one the day. what's your one of the day. what's your reaction to it? i mean, it's pretty damaging, it? it is pretty damaging, isn't it? it is that mean , 24, there 3: z c fl it is that mean , 24, there were at that i mean, 24, there were at least— that i mean, 24, there were at least 24— that i mean, 24, there were at least 24 staffers— that i mean, 24, there were at least 24 staffers there . we know least 24 staffers there. we know that— least 24 staffers there. we know that two— least 24 staffers there. we know that two ot— least 24 staffers there. we know that two of them _ least 24 staffers there. we know that two of them got got honours on the— that two of them got got honours on the tests— that two of them got got honours on the basis of— that two of them got got honours on the basis of that— that two of them got got honours on the basis of that . that one on the basis of that. that one ten— on the basis of that. that one was ben mallett,_ on the basis of that. that one was ben mallett, who was the or sett— was ben mallett, who was the or was sean bailey's— was ben mallett, who was the or was sean bailey's campaign tttet— was sean bailey's campaign tttet. tt— was sean bailey's campaign tttet. tt te— was sean bailey's campaign chief. if he got— was sean bailey's campaign chief. if he got an obe . he's in chief. if he got an obe. he's in the— chief. if he got an obe. he's in the twee.— chief. if he got an obe. he's in the vtteo. tn— chief. if he got an obe. he's in the video. in fact— chief. if he got an obe. he's in the video. in fact ,_ chief. if he got an obe. he's in the video. in fact , sean bailey, the video. in fact, sean bailey, who— the video. in fact, sean bailey, who got— the video. in fact, sean bailey, who got a— the video. in fact, sean bailey, who got a peerage— the video. in fact, sean bailey, who got a peerage at left before the vttet— who got a peerage at left before the wtet wat— who got a peerage at left before the video was the— who got a peerage at left before the video was the video . the video was the video. let's twe— the video was the video. let's have t— the video was the video. let's have t toot— the video was the video. let's have a look at— the video was the video. let's have a look at it,— the video was the video. let's have a look at it, nigel, because we have got it here. it's party. party ends up as an tnsttgttm — it's party. party ends up as an instagram live— it's party. party ends up as an instagram live as— it's party. party ends up as an instagram live as long as we ton-t— instagram live as long as we ton-t .— instagram live as long as we ton-t . wett— instagram live as long as we don't . well, i'm— instagram live as long as we don't . well, i'm pretty sure don't. well, i'm pretty sure wome— don't. well, i'm pretty sure etottstc .—

don't. well, i'm pretty sure globsec . laura, what do you globsec. laura, what do you tttnt— globsec. laura, what do you tttnt ot— globsec. laura, what do you think of this?— globsec. laura, what do you think of this? laura well, twat-s— think of this? laura well, tttt-s att— think of this? laura well, that's all very- think of this? laura well, that's all very jolly , isn't it? that's all very jolly, isn't it? wtget— that's all very jolly, isn't it? wtget wett— that's all very jolly, isn't it? nigel well, julian— that's all very jolly, isn't it? nigel well, julian i- that's all very jolly, isn't it? nigel well, julian i think dnnks nigel well, julian i think drinks been taken by the look of it, doesn't it? social distancing out the window, seemingly so. look, it's very seemingly 50. look, it's very ttmtgtwg.— seemingly 50. look, it's very ttmtgtwg. ot— seemingly 50. look, it's very damaging. do .think- 9g look, it's very damaging. do think that there damaging. do we think that there showt— damaging. do we think that there sttwtt-te— damaging. do we think that there should-be further— damaging. do we think that there should be further police should now be further police ttwttwet— should now be further police ttwotwet 7— should now be further police involved ? where take involved? where do we take pattwgttet— involved? where do we take pattwgttetlwe- involved? where do we take partygate? we take it partygate? do we take it further?— partygate? do we take it further? people on further? do people care on the doorstep?— further? do people care on the doorstep?_bearl further? do people care on thei doorstep?_bear in doorstep? well, i mean, bear in mm,— doorstep? well, i mean, bear in mtntlwts— doorstep? well, i mean, bear in mind, was investigated mind, this was investigated tttst— mind, this was investigated ttttt twe— mind, this was investigated first time round— mind, this was investigated first time round and the police tttn-t— first time round and the police didn't-breach- didn't find a breach of the wt — didn't find a breach of the| rules. _clearly, didn't find a breach of the- rules. _clearly, when rules. now, quite clearly, when you look at that video, that's evidence that they didn't have at the time. they had was at the time. all they had was a picture all them together picture of all of them together . obviously, is , . the question, obviously, is, is it in the public interest for the police to waste an awful lot more time on dealing with partygate matters? what do you think? well, i mean, they did it with keir starmer because keir starmer was they had one investigation over beergate . investigation over beergate. they had a second investigation after complaints and he was cleared of that. i think my general view is that now we're so far away from the event that probably the police time

involved is best to leave it alone. yeah and also, i suppose wttt— alone. yeah and also, i suppose wttt twe— alone. yeah and also, i suppose with the crime— alone. yeah and also, i suppose with the crime rate— alone. yeah and also, i suppose with the crime rate not- “43?" and also, i suppose with the crime rate not exactly tttttng— with the crime rate not exactly looking particularly clever, petite— looking particularly clever, people might— looking particularly clever, people might want them to ttwesttgtte — people might want them to investigate their burglaries and mottte— investigate their burglaries and mottte phone— investigate their burglaries and mobile phone muggings rather than— mobile phone muggings rather than thw— mobile phone muggings rather than this. let's— mobile phone muggings rather than this. let's look at leak two— than this. let's look at leak two ot— than this. let's look at leak two ot the— than this. let's look at leak two of the day,— than this. let's look at leak two of the day, as we're calling it two of the day, as we're calling tt|totogtoot— two of the day, as we're calling it telegraph splash. of it, telegraph splash. lots of toots— it, telegraph splash. lots of tooto .— it, telegraph splash. lots of leaks . there's— it, telegraph splash. lots of leaks . there's leaks all over. leaks. there's leaks all over. i tott— leaks. there's leaks all over. i tott wow— leaks. there's leaks all over. i tott you what,— leaks. there's leaks all over. i tell you what, it's— leaks. there's leaks all over. i tell you what, it's like saint oowt-o— tell you what, it's like saint oowt-o dav— tell you what, it's like saint david's day all— tell you what, it's like saint david's day all over again. report— david's day all over again. tooottltto— david's day all over again. report ithe _office report by the cabinet office ttnto— report by the cabinet office finds-broke- finds sue gray broke impartiality rules. well, this is interesting— impartiality rules. well, this is interesting ._ impartiality rules. well, this is interesting . sunday telegraph is interesting. sunday telegraph has is interesting. sunday telegraph too otwtowotw— is interesting. sunday telegraph has obviously got— is interesting. sunday telegraph has obviously got hold of the report— has obviously got hold of the not two— has obviously got hold of the report into sue— has obviously got hold of the report into sue gray going from being— report into sue gray going from being-top— report into sue gray going from totng-too otwt— report into sue gray going from being top civil servant to being this top civil servant to tooomtng— being this top civil servant to becoming chief— being this top civil servant to becoming chief of staff for keir stotmot. — becoming chief of staff for keir starmer. does— becoming chief of staff for keir starmer. does this— becoming chief of staff for keir starmer. does this now mean that the starmer. does this now mean that tho totow— starmer. does this now mean that the labour leader— starmer. does this now mean that the labour leader has to stop two— the labour leader has to stop this appointment, think? this appointment, do you think? wtgot— this appointment, do you think? wtgot-ton-t— this appointment, do you think? nigel-don't think- this appointment, do you think? nigel don't think he needs nigel no, i don't think he needs to to— nigel no, i don't think he needs to to that. — nigel no, i don't think he needs to to that. ._ nigel no, i don't think he needs to do that. i mean— nigel no, i don't think he needs to do that. " to do that. i mean the, the issue here is that certainly sue gray was miss propriety . that gray was miss propriety. that was job that everyone was in was her job that everyone was in fear of her in whitehall because she was such a stickler for the rules. yes. and so certainly the fact that she she would appear i mean, the report is not actually totally conclusive on this,

according to the telegraph, but it seems to be that she broke the rules. so miss impropriety now. yeah , i think so. and on now. yeah, i think so. and on tho— now. yeah, i think so. and on the basis of that, that she was in breach of the civil service code simply by not declaring the fact she was talking to the opposition. is this a spectacular own goal for keir starmer? i mean, he could have oooont— starmer? i mean, he could have chosen somebody— starmer? i mean, he could have chosen somebody who- , i mean, he could have chosen somebody who wouldn't towe— chosen somebody who wouldn't have toot— chosen somebody who wouldn't have been facing— chosen somebody who wouldn't have been facing this scrutiny. swo— have been facing this scrutiny. swo grav— have been facing this scrutiny. swo gray too— have been facing this scrutiny. sue gray has become a household , wttot— sue gray has become a household name , which lthe _ sue gray has become a household name , which the most famous name, which is the most famous ctwt— name, which is the most famous ctwt sowtoo — name, which is the most famous civil service servant of recent totes.— civil service servant of recent totes-moon- civil service servant of recent totes-moon ,- civil service servant of recent totes-moon , t- civil service servant of recent times.-mean , i do. civil service servant of recent times. mean , i do think times. yeah, i mean, i do think that— times. yeah, i mean, i do think ttot-oto-tt— times. yeah, i mean, i do think that-she'll do— times. yeah, i mean, i do think that-she'll do a- times. yeah, i mean, i do think that she'll do a good job that that she'll do a good job as that that she'll do a good job to tots— that that she'll do a good job to tto ottot— that that she'll do a good job as his chief of— that that she'll do a good job as his chief of staff. that that she'll do a good job as his chief of staff . as his chief of staff. so i ton-t— as his chief of staff. so i ton-t oo— as his chief of staff. so i ton-t t— as his chief of staff. so i don't see a problem there . but don't see a problem there. but it does call into question- act" c but it does call into question her onotwoto— it does call into question her onotwoto ot— it does call into question her analysis of the— it does call into question her analysis of the events around partygate— analysis of the events around tottwgoto on— analysis of the events around partygate on boris johnson. i'm not-t— partygate on boris johnson. i'm not-tt toot— partygate on boris johnson. i'm not-it does really,- partygate on boris johnson. i'm not it does really, because not sure it does really, because all her meetings with keir all that her meetings with keir starmer happened after she'd done the report. yes. so i don't think it's a bit like the privileges inquiry. i don't think there is actually any question of bias or inaccuracy in her original report. i don't get this because— in her original report. i don't get this because people- " (2th ”6362 i don't get this because people who ottttotoo— get this because people who criticise this— get this because people who criticise this show say , oh, you criticise this show say, oh, you cant—

criticise this show say, oh, you ton-t towe— criticise this show say, oh, you can't leave your— criticise this show say, oh, you can't leave your biases at the too— can't leave your biases at the too .— can't leave your biases at the door . everyone's_ can't leave your biases at the door. everyone's biased. can't leave your biases at the door . everyone's biased. know door. everyone's biased. we know that— door. everyone's biased. we know toot—towe— door. everyone's biased. we know toot—two too- that everybody have has ootntono— that everybody have has opinions. it's— that everybody have has opinions. it's the same with the wowtot— opinions. it's the same with the harriet harman— opinions. it's the same with the harriet harman situation. i know we ttoogtoo— harriet harman situation. i know we ttoogtoo on— harriet harman situation. i know we disagree on this. she tweets ttot— we disagree on this. she tweets ttot otto— we disagree on this. she tweets that she thinks— we disagree on this. she tweets that she thinks boris johnson too— that she thinks boris johnson has noted— that she thinks boris johnson has misled parliament before . has misled parliament before. sto— has misled parliament before. she to— has misled parliament before. she is chairing— has misled parliament before. she is chairing an investigation tnto— she is chairing an investigation tnto wtottot— she is chairing an investigation into whether he _ she is chairing an investigation into whether he misled parliament. _ into whether he misled parliament. she should have toowoot— parliament. she should have recused herself.— parliament. she should have recused herself. could recused herself. sue gray could towe— recused herself. sue gray could two—tott- recused herself. sue gray could two—sow ,- recused herself. sue gray could two—sow , t- recused herself. sue gray could have—said , i can'tl have should have said, i can't ooooot— have should have said, i can't accept-job— have should have said, i can't accept job because it's accept this job because it's going— accept this job because it's gong—toot- accept this job because it's gong—toot asl accept this job because it'si going—look as if going to make me look as if i wont— going to make me look as if i wasn't impartial— going to make me look as if i wasn't impartial as a civil servant. — wasn't impartial as a civil servant. and— wasn't impartial as a civil servant. and actually both conclusions— servant. and actually both conclusions aren't difficult to jump— conclusions aren't difficult to jump—soo- conclusions aren't difficult to jump—too wowl conclusions aren't difficult toi jump—too wow jump to. no i can see you can moto— jump to. no i can see you can make-criticism- jump to. no i can see you can make-criticism . - jump to. no i can see you can make criticism . make that criticism. but the potnt— make that criticism. but the point basically is on both the things that you're mentioning, look at the privileges report . look at the privileges report. if anyone actually if anyone can actually wade through pages and 30,000 through 108 pages and 30,000 words, i think that they would they would conclude that any group mps would have reached group of mps would have reached the same conclusion that the privileges. okay. did let's talk about— privileges. okay. did let's talk otowt-ot— privileges. okay. did let's talk about -of those _ privileges. okay. did let's talk about-of those mps,- , g did let's talk about of those mps, bernard about one of those mps, bernard tonttw— about one of those mps, bernard tonttw who-o— about one of those mps, bernard jenkin, who's on— about one of those mps, bernard jenkin, who's on the privileges commtttoo — jenkin, who's on the privileges committee now.— jenkin, who's on the privileges committee now. we've got an tnwtotton— committee now. we've got an invitation that's— committee now. we've got an invitation that's been publicised— invitation that's been publicised on the mail on sundow— publicised on the mail on sunday, eleanor laing said that this sunday, eleanor laing said that ttto event— sunday, eleanor laing said that this event that— sunday, eleanor laing said that this event that took place, that tomato— this event that took place, that bernard jenkin— this event that took place, that bernard jenkin was at was a

twotnooo— bernard jenkin was at was a business meeting in the vein of tow— business meeting in the vein of tow torto— business meeting in the vein of how boris johnson— business meeting in the vein of how boris johnson has explained somelhis— how boris johnson has explained some-his meetings- how boris johnson has explained some his meetings cake. some of his meetings with cake. wow— some of his meetings with cake. wow emerges— some of his meetings with cake. now emerges that— some of his meetings with cake. now emerges that bernard remtm-s— now emerges that bernard jenkin's wife,— now emerges that bernard jenkin's wife, anne, who's also an jenkin's wife, anne, who's also om—owt- jenkin's wife, anne, who's also om—owt ml an mp, actually sent out an more— an mp, actually sent out an invite calling— an mp, actually sent out an invite calling it— an mp, actually sent out an invite calling it a birthday party- _ invite calling it a birthday party. res.— invite calling it a birthday party. yes, she- invite calling it a birthday party. 411? t: t: t: invite calling it a birthday party. 41:5 t: t: r: invite calling it a birthday- party. yes, she did. and what it said was that she was having birthday drinks and she was she was holding it for a few of her favourite people. so bernard jenkin, be investigated by police? well, i mean, in this trot— police? well, i mean, in this that m— police? well, i mean, in this case, that in that— police? well, i mean, in this case, that in that in- 01:7 well, i mean, in this case, that in that in the same way— case, that in that in the same wow os— case, that in that in the same wow os tre— case, that in that in the same way as the sean— case, that in that in the same way as the sean bailey party, trots— way as the sean bailey party, tms moppemet— way as the sean bailey party, this happened roughly the same ttme— this happened roughly the same ttme meetmgs— this happened roughly the same time meetings in— this happened roughly the same time meetings in doors were tomet— time meetings in doors were tomet . — time meetings in doors were tomet . so— time meetings in doors were banned . 51g51 1“ time meetings in doors were banned . 5195 1“ time meetings in doors were banned . 51951 1“ : banned. so again, this would be a matter for the police. the question the question comes down to in the same way, is it in the pubuc to in the same way, is it in the public interest now to look back? i mean, i get that it's in torts— back? i mean, i get that it's in boris johnson's— f“ i mean, i get that it's in boris johnson's interest to mwesttgote— boris johnson's interest to investigate bernard jenkin. i mean, he's called him giant mean, he's called him a giant twpoertte— mean, he's called him a giant hypocrite, basically. yeah i r— hypocrite, basically. yeah i mean, i think— hypocrite, basically. yeah i mean, i think-that- hypocrite, basically. yeah i mean, i think that boris mean, i think that that boris johnson, the cheerleaders are using harman bernard using harriet harman and bernard jenkin as kind of displacement activity . but then for the

activity. but then for the report, this is the argument then if there was going to be displacement activity and the report to be called report was going to be called into harman should report was going to be called into recused harman should report was going to be called into recused herselle should report was going to be called into recused herself to should report was going to be called into recused herself to avoidi have recused herself to avoid those . arms and those criticisms. arms and remort— those criticisms. arms and bernard jenkin, _ those criticisms. arms and bernard jenkin, if- c rt. arms and bernard jenkin, if been those criticisms. arms and. bernard jenkin, if-been at bernard jenkin, if he's been at ttrtttow— bernard jenkin, if he's been at birthday december birthday parties in december 2020,— birthday parties in december zozo-reottw— birthday parties in december 2020,-really in- birthday parties in december 2020,-really in a- birthday parties in december 2020, really in a position 2020, isn't really in a position to commem— 2020, isn't really in a position to comment on— 2020, isn't really in a position to comment on partygate i think for to comment on partygate i think tor ettter— to comment on partygate i think tor ettter ot— to comment on partygate i think for either of those— to comment on partygate i think for either of those two doing on the for either of those two doing on tree—tort- for either of those two doing on the—don't think. the committee, i don't think homet— the committee, i don't think harriet-needed- the committee, i don't think- harriet-neededlrecuse harriet harman needed to recuse tersett— harriet harman needed to recuse herself—jenkin. - herself or bernard jenkin. i throw— herself or bernard jenkin. i ttmt pertops— herself or bernard jenkin. ii think perhaps _yeah. herself or bernard jenkin. i- think perhaps _yeah. all think perhaps he did. yeah. all right, move into two right, let's move into two mtewtews— right, let's move into two interviews that- right, let's move into two interviews that have caught our eye — interviews that have caught our eye rte— interviews that have caught our eye. the first— interviews that have caught our eye. the first of— interviews that have caught our eye. the first of them is in the root— eye. the first of them is in the wort—dowe- eye. the first of them is in the. mail—david warburton. mail on sunday david warburton. wow— mail on sunday david warburton. wow-goe— mail on sunday david warburton. wow-gtwe os— mail on sunday david warburton. wow-gtwe ws o— mail on sunday david warburton. now-give us a bit— now just give us a bit of context— now just give us a bit of context to— now just give us a bit of context to _nowi now just give us a bit of- context to-now standing context to why he's now standing town— context to why he's now standing town-tow— context to why he's now standing town-tow wr— context to why he's now standing town-tow wt .— context to why he's now standing down tory mp . nigel, he down as a tory mp. nigel, he otso— down as a tory mp. nigel, he also-complaining- down as a tory mp. nigel, he also complaining about the also is complaining about the mgwtrtes— also is complaining about the inquiries into— also is complaining about the inquiries into him. 5; inquiries into him. he seems to be kafkaesque. yeah, it seems to be. it seems be a bit of a be. it seems to be a bit of a fashion at the moment. what this is, he he caught taking is, he was, he was caught taking cocaine and there are allegations that he was harassing women . people might harassing women. people might remember this— harassing women. people might remember this story— 9 1“ people might remember this story because 9 1�* people might remember this story because at the ttme,— remember this story because at the time, ms— remember this story because at the time, his justification for totmg— the time, his justification for totmg twe— the time, his justification for taking the cocaine was that it wsmt— taking the cocaine was that it wosmt-we— taking the cocaine was that it wasn't he actually had wasn't cocaine. he actually had a wasn't cocaine. he actually had o-gottermg— wasn't cocaine. he actually had a gathering dandruff, a habit of gathering dandruff, wmet— a habit of gathering dandruff, wmetlm— a habit of gathering dandruff, which-in lines,— a habit of gathering dandruff, which in lines, which is which is in lines, which is a wort— which is in lines, which is a word submission. $1119 9:

word submission. my goodness. but word submission. my goodness. out omwwow— word submission. my goodness. out anyway- amt— word submission. my goodness. but anyway. and it's— word submission. $1119 9: but anyway. and it's going to sport— but anyway. and it's going to sport o— but anyway. and it's going to spark a by—election. yes. so tet-s— spark a by—election. yes. so em out— spark a by—election. yes. so em out tt— spark a by—election. yes. so let's put it this— spark a by—election. yes. so let's put it this way to stmptttw— let's put it this way to simplify, nigel, because as ever gm..— simplify, nigel, because as ever ,ttme ts— simplify, nigel, because as ever , time is running— simplify, nigel, because as ever , time is running away with us. were— , time is running away with us. there-by—election- there are four by—election now. com— there are four by—election now. com-gwe— there are four by—election now. com-gwe ws— there are four by—election now. can-give us your- there are four by—election now. can give us your predictions can you give us your predictions on can you give us your predictions om—tmeme— can you give us your predictions om—tteme - can you give us your predictions on_them? yeah.- can you give us your predictions on_them? yeah. i. on all four of them? yeah. i throw— on all four of them? yeah. i throw trot— on all four of them? yeah. i think that in david warburton's seat, frome, 19,000 seat, somerton and frome, 19,000 majority from the lib majority captured from the lib dems, now a lib dem target. probably get it? yeah. uxbridge i think will go to labour i think absolute lee selby not sure nigel adams seat . yeah that sure nigel adams seat. yeah that could go out that could go either way. the tories could keep that. the tories could hold that mid beds finally comes that when mid beds finally comes up, probably go to lib dems. it's not going to be a great, it's not going to be a great time for tories. whatever time for the tories. whatever toppers.— time for the tories. whatever happens..sounds- time for the tories. whatever. happens..sounds-quickly happens. it sounds very quickly become— happens. it sounds very quickly because interested because you were interested in wttttom — because you were interested in william _sundayi william talking to the sunday ttmes— william talking to the sunday times homelessness. times about homelessness. i- meow—goesttom mean, you could ask the question towots—to— mean, you could ask the question towots—to te- royals are meant to be ootttteottw— royals are meant to be politically impartial. partial is homelessness. it's sort of tortermg— is homelessness. it's sort of tortermg om— is homelessness. it's sort of bordering on politics. is he rtgtt— bordering on politics. is he rtgtt to— bordering on politics. is he rtgmt to to— bordering on politics. is he right to do this,- bordering on politics. is he right to do this, nigel i don't throw— right to do this, nigel i don't tmmt — right to do this, nigel i don't think so. it's— right to do this, nigel i don't think so. c f 19 think so. it's actually helping young people that william is saying, an awful saying, look, he's seen an awful young surfing, wants saying, look, he's seen an awful yo give surfing, wants saying, look, he's seen an awful yo give them surfing, wants

saying, look, he's seen an awful yo give them some surfing, wants saying, look, he's seen an awful yo give them some kindig, wants saying, look, he's seen an awful yo give them some kind of wants saying, look, he's seen an awful yo give them some kind of home, to give them some kind of home, some housing on his duchy some social housing on his duchy of cornwall estate that seems fine. his father spent a lot of time with the prince's trust, helping young people. that is not political. it doesn't cross the line. no. and also, oetwottw— the line. no. and also,| actually,_is actually, the criticism is wow-we— actually, the criticism is wow-we-momwl actually, the criticism is you've _many and you've got too many homes and wow-re—to- you've got too many homes and wow-re—to goot you're not putting them to good use. is a progressive use. so this is a progressive teetstom— use. so this is a progressive teetstom ,— use. so this is a progressive teetstom lo— use. so this is a progressive decision ,-a-one.| use. so this is a progressive- decision ,-a-one. nigel decision, but a young one. nigel wetsom— decision, but a young one. nigel wetsom ttomt— decision, but a young one. nigel nelson, thank-as— decision, but a young one. nigel nelson, thank as ever for nelson, thank you as ever for joining— nelson, thank you as ever for joining me— nelson, thank you as ever for joining me trots— nelson, thank you as ever for joining me this morning what joining me this morning for what has joining me this morning for what mos-stettor— joining me this morning for what has-stellar crop- joining me this morning for what has-stellar crop of- has been a stellar crop of papers— has been a stellar crop of papers-a— has been a stellar crop of papers-a paper-- has been a stellar crop of papers a paper. people that's papers by a paper. people that's wrot— papers by a paper. people that's wtot we— papers by a paper. people that's wtot we to— papers by a paper. people that's what we do here— papers by a paper. people that's what we do here now , the what we do here now, the reoote-s— what we do here now, the people's-even. what we do here now, the. people's-ever, goes people's panel, as ever, goes orowmt— people's panel, as ever, goes orowmt me— people's panel, as ever, goes around the country canvassing wow— around the country canvassing wow wews— around the country canvassing wow om— around the country canvassing your views on the _ around the country canvassing your views on the stories of the week.— your views on the stories of the week. amt— your views on the stories of the week. and ellie— your views on the stories of the week. and ellie costello is tomg—rometl week. and ellie costello is. doing—panel for week. and ellie costello is- doing_panel for the doing the people's panel for the first— doing the people's panel for the first-omet— doing the people's panel for the first-and she's— doing the people's panel for the first-and she's in- first time, and she's in tetgttom— first time, and she's in leighton buzzard. what leighton buzzard. ellie, what gwesttoms— leighton buzzard. ellie, what questions panellists questions have the panellists got—totow- questions have the panellists got—totow el questions have the panellists. got—today ? well, got for our guests today? well, good— got for our guests today? well, good mommg— got for our guests today? well, good morning to— got for our guests today? well, good morning to you, camilla. rt-s— good morning to you, camilla. rt-s greot— good morning to you, camilla. rt-s greot to— good morning to you, camilla. rt-s greot to te— good morning to you, camilla. it's great to be with— good morning to you, camilla. it's great to be with you- good morning to you, camilla. it's great to be with you for the people's panel, for the first time in leighton buzzard , first time in leighton buzzard, it's the market town in bedfordshire and it is beautiful . and it's been my first time here at the citadino coffee shop for the people's panel today . for the people's panel today. and i'm joined now by the manager , maria. maria, good manager, maria. maria, good morning to you. how are you? i'm

all right, thank you. good, good. and how is business in leighton it leighton buzzard? it's good. it could be better, but i think people still can afford to buy the coffee and cakes because i refuse to put the price up . refuse to put the price up. since difficulties of the covid. amt— since difficulties of the covid. amt trot-s— since difficulties of the covid. and that's difficult— since difficulties of the covid. and that's difficult for- since difficulties of the covid. and that's difficult for you, - and that's difficult for you, isn't it, personally, not putting up those prices, but for you the business is the priority , isn't it? of course it was tort— , isn't it? of course it was hard because— , isn't it? of course it was hard because i— , isn't it? of course it was hard because i had- c fl of course it was hard because i had to raise up my stott— hard because i had to raise up my stott oge— hard because i had to raise up my staff age, but— hard because i had to raise up my staff age, but i like people to te— my staff age, but i like people to te otte— my staff age, but i like people to te otte to— my staff age, but i like people to be able to buy— my staff age, but i like people to be able to buy still coffee omet— to be able to buy still coffee omt sores— to be able to buy still coffee and cakes and— to be able to buy still coffee and cakes and enjoy it. '1: c and cakes and enjoy it. and it tos— and cakes and enjoy it. and it too teem— and cakes and enjoy it. and it too teem twsw— and cakes and enjoy it. and it has been busy this morning, so it's paying off for you and i've had a wonderful cake and coffee with you. let's head inside, shall well camilla, i've shall we? well camilla, i've got right today . okay. right treat for you today. okay. this is people's panel this this is your people's panel this is michelle. this is pat. and this is james. they've got lots of questions on topics that of questions on the topics that are going to be raised in your show today with the politicians that are your guests. so, michelle, what you hoping to michelle, what are you hoping to hear from the politicians this morning? the partygate morning? it's all the partygate and the long inquiry into that.

there was many other politicians trot— there was many other politicians tmot towe— there was many other politicians that have been— there was many other politicians that have been pictured at tttteremt— that have been pictured at different parties and events . so different parties and events. so why— different parties and events. so who oemt— different parties and events. so why oemt mew— different parties and events. so why aren't they also being taken to toste— why aren't they also being taken to task? you've— why aren't they also being taken to task? you've got— why aren't they also being taken to task? you've got the main accuser , bernard _ to task? you've got the main accuser , bernard jenkins, now accuser, bernard jenkins, is now his accuser, bernard jenkins, is now ms own— accuser, bernard jenkins, is now ms potty— accuser, bernard jenkins, is now ms portw tor— accuser, bernard jenkins, is now his own party for his wife. mere-s— his own party for his wife. there's more— his own party for his wife. there's more important things going— there's more important things gomg om— there's more important things gomg on m— there's more important things going on in this— there's more important things going on in this country with the— going on in this country with the cost— going on in this country with the cost ot— going on in this country with the cost of living and ewewtmmg— the cost of living and everything else. there needs to be everything else. there needs to te mew— everything else. there needs to be they meet— everything else. there needs to be they need to— everything else. there needs to be they need to be held accountable,— be they need to be held accountable, but they need to trow— accountable, but they need to mow—om- accountable, but they need to trowom— omti accountable, but they need to- draw_on and deal draw a line and move on and deal wttm— draw a line and move on and deal wttt-eowmtw. — draw a line and move on and deal with-country. it's— with the country. it's a distraction— with the country. it's a distraction to - with the country. it's a distraction to what they should be tomg. — distraction to what they should be tomg. otow.— distraction to what they should be doing. okay. say we need be doing. okay. you say we need to-twt— be doing. okay. you say we need to-twt tootmg- be doing. okay. you say we need to-but looking-the. to move on, but looking at the mewsoopers— to move on, but looking at the newspapers today, _ to move on, but looking at the newspapers today, front newspapers today, the front pages,— newspapers today, the front poges-ttem- newspapers today, the front- pages,-them -that pages, many of them have that mew-tow— pages, many of them have that mew-tow stott- pages, many of them have that new tory staff members new video of tory staff members tootmg— new video of tory staff members tootmg oppeortmg— new video of tory staff members looking appearing to be laughing at looking appearing to be laughing ot mem— looking appearing to be laughing at them, bending— looking appearing to be laughing at them, bending the rules. 1t1:t at them, bending the rules. do you— at them, bending the rules. do you not— at them, bending the rules. do you not throw— at them, bending the rules. do you not think people- at them, bending the rules. do you not think people care- at them, bending the rules. do you not think people care about that? they do care about bending the west— that? they do care about bending the rules. people— that? they do care about bending the rules. people lost— 7 they do care about bending the rules. people lost family memetrs— the rules. people lost family- members—they're members during covid and they're otgw— members during covid and they're otgw otowt— members during covid and they're otgw otowt ttot. — members during covid and they're angry about that. they're very otgw— angry about that. they're very otgw otowt— angry about that. they're very angry about that. _ angry about that. they're very angry about that. but, you know , wtere— angry about that. but, you know , wtere toes— angry about that. but, you know , where does it— angry about that. but, you know , where does it stop ? you know, , where does it stop? you know, wtere— , where does it stop? you know, wtere toes— , where does it stop? you know, wtere toes tt— , where does it stop? you know, where does it stop— , where does it stop? you know, where does it stop from these tong— where does it stop from these totg mgwtrtes— where does it stop from these long inquiries and everything etse— long inquiries and everything etse tte— long inquiries and everything else the mps— long inquiries and everything else the mps need to be held, all else the mps need to be held, or ot— else the mps need to be held, or ot ttem— else the mps need to be held, all of them, not— else the mps need to be held, all of them, not just boris , but all of them, not just boris, but all of them, not just boris, but ott ot— all of them, not just boris, but ott ot ttem— all of them, not just boris, but all of them need— all of them, not just boris, but all of them need to be held accountable _ all of them need to be held

accountable for— all of them need to be held accountable for their actions ott— accountable for their actions ott ttetr— accountable for their actions and their breaches of covid rwtes— and their breaches of covid rwtes .— and their breaches of covid rwtes . tot— and their breaches of covid rules . but they— and their breaches of covid rules . but they also need to be rules. but they also need to be teotmg— rules. but they also need to be teotmg wttt— rules. but they also need to be dealing with what's happening in the dealing with what's happening in tte eowttrw— dealing with what's happening in the country right— dealing with what's happening in the country right now. and it's all the country right now. and it's ott ttts— the country right now. and it's ott ttts ts— the country right now. and it's ott ttts ts o— the country right now. and it's all this is a distract to what ttew— all this is a distract to what ttew stowtt— all this is a distract to what they should be— all this is a distract to what they should be doing. and you know,— they should be doing. and you know, teotmg— they should be doing. and you know, dealing with. okay. so moot— know, dealing with. okay. so much more important topics. '1: much more important topics. and you otmost— much more important topics. and you almost won't— much more important topics. and you almost won't see— much more important topics. and you almost won't see the- you almost won't see the spotlight boris and on the spotlight off boris and on the others. so pat, what do you want to hear from politicians today? well, eager migrants with no ttettttw—te- well, eager migrants with noj identity,_be held well, eager migrants with no. identity,_be held in identity, they should be held in secure locations— identity, they should be held in secure locations .— identity, they should be held in secure locations . why is this secure locations. why is this not— secure locations. why is this not toppemtg— secure locations. why is this tot toppemtg e— secure locations. why is this not happening ? and also our not happening? and also our greet— not happening? and also our greet bett— not happening? and also our greet beg, tt— not happening? and also our green belt, if the tories are serious about— green belt, if the tories are serious about protecting our greet— serious about protecting our greet tert— serious about protecting our green belt and— serious about protecting our green belt and please add open sooes— green belt and please add open spes to— green belt and please add open spes to ttts— green belt and please add open spaces to this, are— green belt and please add open spaces to this, are they going to tegtstote— spaces to this, are they going to legislate for— spaces to this, are they going to legislate for that to happen 7 to legislate for that to happen e so— to legislate for that to happen e so tttegot— to legislate for that to happen ? so illegal migration,- to legislate for that to happen ? so illegal migration, they're has been a lot of controversy about where to house migrants. there's a migrant hotels often in the headlines bucha edges perhaps even army bases. in the headlines bucha edges perhaps even army bases . what perhaps even army bases. what are your thoughts. it's got to be army bases where there's a security fence that surrounds those army bases. we've got to protest— those army bases. we've got to protest ow— those army bases. we've got to protect our citizens— those army bases. we've got to protect our citizens and- we've got to

protect our citizens and we're not— protect our citizens and we're not tomg— protect our citizens and we're not tomg tt— protect our citizens and we're not doing it at— protect our citizens and we're not doing it at the moment. rts— not doing it at the moment. to o— not doing it at the moment. to o sotetw— not doing it at the moment. it's a safety issue— not doing it at the moment. it's a safety issue for- not doing it at the moment. it's a safety issue for you, isn't it? you're concerned about the security of local communities . liz, would you like communities. liz, would you like to something what to see something like what happens us where if happens in the us where if somebody criminal record, somebody has a criminal record, they're in they're simply not allowed in they're simply not allowed in the country? we definitely that stowtt—ttel should have happened in the first— should have happened in the first-tott— should have happened in thei first-don't-what first place. i don't know what ttts—ot- first place. i don't know whati ttts—ot, twt this country is playing at, but we sertomtw— this country is playing at, but we certainly letting the world in we certainly letting the world to mm— we certainly letting the world to wttt to— we certainly letting the world in with no consequences. okay amt— in with no consequences. okay amt wow— in with no consequences. okay amt wow otso— in with no consequences. okay and you also want— in with no consequences. okay and you also want to- in with no consequences. okay and you also want to touch upon housing, and i know, james, that's something that you feel very, very passionate about as well. absolutely. well. yeah absolutely. ellie yeah, got a well. yeah absolutely. ellie yeah,-got a situationi yeah, we've got a situation wtere— yeah, we've got a situation where central— yeah, we've got a situation where central government and tosot— where central government and. tosot—tostet local government simply backed the local government simply backed tte towsmg— local government simply backed the housing crisis— local government simply backed the housing crisis backwards and torworts— the housing crisis backwards and torworts ,— the housing crisis backwards and forwards , passing— the housing crisis backwards and forwards , passing the from forwards, passing the blame from one forwards, passing the blame from ope-otter. — forwards, passing the blame from ope-otter. att— forwards, passing the blame from one other. and actually one to the other. and actually tottmg— one to the other. and actually nothing-done. _ one to the other. and actually nothing done. lots lots nothing gets done. lots and lots of nothing gets done. lots and lots ot tme— nothing gets done. lots and lots of fine-about— nothing gets done. lots and lots of fine about helping of fine words about helping peopte— of fine words about helping peopte to— of fine words about helping peopte to get— of fine words about helping people to get mortgages, helping peopte— people to get mortgages, helping peopte wttt— people to get mortgages, helping people with rental— people to get mortgages, helping people with rental problems , people with rental problems, tetpmg— people with rental problems, tetpmg tosot— people with rental problems, helping local authorities build towses— helping local authorities build towses ,— helping local authorities build towses , ott— helping local authorities build houses , and nothing happens. so houses, and nothing happens. so you houses, and nothing happens. so wow wow— houses, and nothing happens. so you know, tte— houses, and nothing happens. so you know, the crazy— houses, and nothing happens. so you know, the crazy thing is to— you know, the crazy thing is ttot ttts— you know, the crazy thing is ttot ttts ts— you know, the crazy thing is that this is a— you know, the crazy thing is that this is a crisis that could be sorted— that this is a crisis that could be solved within— that this is a crisis that could be solved within months . 1�* be solved within months. i mean, towstmg— be solved within months. i mean, towstmg upon— be solved within months. i mean, touching upon mortgage rates there. some of the headlines yesterday , that £3,000 could be

yesterday, that £3,000 could be added on to people's annual mortgage bills. i mean, it's a huge issue, isn't it? you've got another you feel very another issue that you feel very passionate you'd like passionate about that you'd like to politicians. i to hear from politicians. i have, yes. and it's that have, yes. and it's one that pottttstots— have, yes. and it's one that politicians seem- have, yes. and it's one that politicians seem to find real prottems—m- politicians seem to find real- problems-in scotland problems answering in scotland and problems answering in scotland ott ttgtott— problems answering in scotland and england and— problems answering in scotland and england and that is a very stmpte— and england and that is a very simple question,— and england and that is a very simple question, which is could the simple question, which is could tte sowtt— simple question, which is could tte sowtt tor-o— simple question, which is could the could kaja kallas gas answer the could kaja kallas gas answer tte gwesttom— the could kaja kallas gas answer the question, what— the could kaja kallas gas answer the question, what is a woman ? the question, what is a woman? amt— the question, what is a woman? amt ttot-s— the question, what is a woman? amt ttot-s so— the question, what is a woman? and that's so interesting- and that's so interesting because that's the first time i've actually that from i've actually heard that from a member of the british public. you think that's something in the media? the media are obsessed perhaps obsessed with, perhaps westminster are obsessed with, but think but you're saying you think there straight there should be a straight answer politicians? think answer from politicians? i think so. to hear that? i do. so. you want to hear that? i do. absolutely and i think- 1/t1zr. 57 i do. absolutely and i think there is mere—we- absolutely and i think there is- there _we become there is now. so much we become twe— there is now. so much we become r-we tesoe— there is now. so much we become r-we tesoe verv— there is now. so much we become i've become very conscious of tte— i've become very conscious of tte pesswe— i've become very conscious of the pressure that— i've become very conscious of the pressure that the government is the pressure that the government ts utter— the pressure that the government ts utter ott— the pressure that the government is under and the— the pressure that the government is under and the opposition is utter— is under and the opposition is utter trom — is under and the opposition is under from some— is under and the opposition is under from some very small, very wosterowts— under from some very small, very vociferous pressure— under from some very small, very vociferous pressure groups who are vociferous pressure groups who , wow— vociferous pressure groups who , you know,— vociferous pressure groups who are , you know, pushing an agenda are, you know, pushing an agenda . so— are, you know, pushing an agenda . so r— are, you know, pushing an agenda . so r wowtt— are, you know, pushing an agenda . so i would like— are, you know, pushing an agenda . so i would like to— are, you know, pushing an agenda . so i would like to hear a strotgtt— . so i would like to hear a straight answer- . so i would like to hear a straight answer to that gwesttom— straight answer to that question. that would be good. mow.— question. that would be good. otow. wett— question. that would be good. okay. well, camilla,— question. that would be good. okay. well, camilla, so- question. that would be good. okay. well, camilla, so many topics here, questions for the politician opens. lots to come from the people's panel. we're

going to be listening in very closely across the show. back to you. thank you much for that, you. thank you so much for that, ttme.— you. thank you so much for that, ttme-toget— you. thank you so much for that, ttme-torget tt- you. thank you so much for that, ellie. _forget, if you- ellie. and don't forget, if you wom— ellie. and don't forget, if you wont-to— ellie. and don't forget, if you wont-to-tor- ellie. and don't forget, if you want-to-for the. want to go to apply for the teopte-s— want to go to apply for the people's panel,— want to go to apply for the people's panel, you can go gb people's panel, you can go to gb wews—stost- people's panel, you can go to gb news—slash panel. people's panel, you can go to gb news—slash panel .i news .com forward slash panel. att— news .com forward slash panel. ant-sommg— news .com forward slash panel. amt-sommg op- news .com forward slash panel. and coming up somewhere and we'll be coming up somewhere etse— and we'll be coming up somewhere etse-text— and we'll be coming up somewhere etse-text weet. - and we'll be coming up somewhere else-next week. now- else in the uk next week. now rm— else in the uk next week. now r-m tettgttet— else in the uk next week. now i'm delighted to— else in the uk next week. now i'm delighted to be joined by wtstoet— i'm delighted to be joined by ommet-,— i'm delighted to be joined by michael , secretary of michael gove, secretary of stoo— michael gove, secretary of state, . levelling - state, for levelling up the tory mp state, for levelling up the tory wt-teott. - mp for surrey heath. boris rottsot-s— mp for surrey heath. boris johnson's frenemy. i've got wrtttet— johnson's frenemy. i've got written down _ johnson's frenemy. i've got written down here, mr gove. now, ttrst— written down here, mr gove. now, ttrst ot— written down here, mr gove. now, ttrst ot ott— written down here, mr gove. now, ttrst ot an, r— written down here, mr gove. now, first of all, i know— written down here, mr gove. now, first of all, i know you've made ttts— first of all, i know you've made this announcement— first of all, i know you've made this announcement today. thank you this announcement today. thank wow—ttts- this announcement today. thank you—this morning. you for joining me this morning. vow-we— you for joining me this morning. you've—measures- you've introduced measures that are you've introduced measures that ore—putts- you've introduced measures that are—public bodiesi are going to stop public bodies trom— are going to stop public bodies. trom—towsott from imposing their own boycott or—sompotgts- from imposing their own boycott or campaigns against or divestment campaigns against all or divestment campaigns against or toretgt— or divestment campaigns against all foreign countries . you're all foreign countries. you're tottmg— all foreign countries. you're talking - public - all foreign countries. you're talking public bodies. talking about public bodies. sowtt— talking about public bodies. court-te— talking about public bodies. could be extended to could this be extended to prwote— could this be extended to private firms— could this be extended to private firms to. no, we're very steor— private firms to. no, we're very steor ttot— private firms to. no, we're very clear that when— private firms to. no, we're very clear that when it— private firms to. no, we're very clear that when it comes to toretgt— clear that when it comes to toretgt pottsw— clear that when it comes to foreign policy, the uk is stronger— foreign policy, the uk is stronger when we all speak with ot— stronger when we all speak with ot o— stronger when we all speak with one voice at a time— stronger when we all speak with one voice at a time when we have rogmg— one voice at a time when we have rogttg ot— one voice at a time when we have rogmg ot tte— one voice at a time when we have war raging on the european sottmett. — war raging on the european continent. it's— war raging on the european continent. e 11” e (we; continent. it's critically important that our prime minister our foreign secretary, our country are united. so we don't want to have public bodies , local authorities running their own rival foreign policy

at a time like this. their own rival foreign policy at a time like this . and the at a time like this. and the situation arises, particularly because there are some councils, some local authorities that have subscribed to campaigns which are targeted against israel and which have led to an upsurge because of the way in which they're targeted at the only jewish state in tensions towards our own jewish citizens . can i our own jewish citizens. can i bnng our own jewish citizens. can i bring you back to domestic matters? have you seen this swttow— matters? have you seen this sunday mirror— matters? have you seen this sunday mirror video- 7 have you seen this sunday mirror video of the peopte— sunday mirror video of the people partying at cchq circa pesemter— people partying at cchq circa pesemter .— people partying at cchq circa december . 20,— people partying at cchq circa december . 20, 20? people partying at cchq circa december. 20, 20? yes i have. amt— december. 20, 20? yes i have. amt r— december. 20, 20? yes i have. amt r post— december. 20, 20? yes i have. and i just wanted— december. 20, 20? yes i have. and i just wanted to— december. 20, 20? yes i have. and i just wanted to say- december. 20, 20? yes i have. and i just wanted to say to gb news viewers that i'm personally sorry that people behaved in this way. this this video shows people behaving in a completely unacceptable way . the party that unacceptable way. the party that occurred was is known about because i think there was a picture, a photograph that was taken of the event and investigations had taken place previously. so i don't think that this video had actually been circulated before today . i been circulated before today. i mean, there's been

1“ rt. "t: i mean, there's been partying at powtmg— mean, there's been partying at downing street. _ mean, there's been partying at downing street. and you look at the downing street. and you look at tte tote— downing street. and you look at tte tote r— downing street. and you look at the date i initially— downing street. and you look at the date i initially thought maybe— the date i initially thought mowte tt-s— the date i initially thought maybe it's december 20th, 21. no it's maybe it's december 20th, 21. no tt-s pesemter— maybe it's december 20th, 21. no it's december 2020.— maybe it's december 20th, 21. no it's december 2020. so it's when the it's december 2020. so it's when tte rest— it's december 2020. so it's when tte rest ot— it's december 2020. so it's when tte rest ot ws— it's december 2020. so it's when the rest of us were— it's december 2020. so it's when the rest of us were all confined to our— the rest of us were all confined to tomes— the rest of us were all confined to our homes, having a miserable turkey— to our homes, having a miserable twrtew ttmer— to our homes, having a miserable turkey dinner on— to our homes, having a miserable turkey dinner on christmas. but wow-we— turkey dinner on christmas. but wow-we got— turkey dinner on christmas. but wow-we got porttes— turkey dinner on christmas. but you've got parties at downing street— you've got parties at downing street ,— you've got parties at downing street , parties— you've got parties at downing street , parties at— you've got parties at downing street , parties at cchq you've got parties at downing street, parties at cchq . you're street, parties at cchq. you're ot— street, parties at cchq. you're ot tte— street, parties at cchq. you're one of the most— street, parties at cchq. you're one of the most vociferous proponents— one of the most vociferous propotetts ot— one of the most vociferous proponents of draconian covid mtes— proponents of draconian covid rwtes ,— proponents of draconian covid rwtes , ott— proponents of draconian covid rwtes , ott wet— proponents of draconian covid rules , and yet your own people rules, and yet your own people sowttt-t— rules, and yet your own people couldn't follow— rules, and yet your own people couldn't follow them . it's an couldn't follow them. it's an otsotwte— couldn't follow them. it's an absolute disgrace, isn't it ? absolute disgrace, isn't it? wett— absolute disgrace, isn't it? wett. rts— absolute disgrace, isn't it? wet. to o— absolute disgrace, isn't it? well, it's a great- absolute disgrace, isn't it? well, it's a great pity- absolute disgrace, isn't it? well, it's a great pity that people behaved in this way. you're absolutely right . it you're absolutely right. it particularly as you quite rightly point out, when there was a significant curtailment of people's liberty. the reason why those steps were taken was to reduce the spread of the disease in order to make sure that the pressures on the nhs were manageable , in order to make manageable, in order to make sure that we could treat people who were very ill. so again, the actions here are deeply distressing and i can only apologise to people that

individuals behaved in this way . my understanding is that there was an investigation into the party when the photograph emerged and people were disciplined. is emerged and people were disciplined . is that enough? do disciplined. is that enough? do you ttmt— disciplined. is that enough? do you ttmt tte— disciplined. is that enough? do you think the police— : 5t: 1“1:: is that enough? do you think the police should twrtter— you think the police should further investigate this and tweet,— further investigate this and mteet, wow— further investigate this and indeed, your conservative sotteogwe— indeed, your conservative colleague, bernard jenkin said, we colleague, bernard jenkin said, we ow— colleague, bernard jenkin said, we ttt— colleague, bernard jenkin said, we now find out— colleague, bernard jenkin said, we now find out from the mail on smtow— we now find out from the mail on sunday ttot— we now find out from the mail on sunday ttot ttr— we now find out from the mail on sunday that mr jenkin we now find out from the mail on sunday that mrjenkin did attend a sunday that mrjenkin did attend o-trmts— sunday that mrjenkin did attend o-trmts-tte- a birthday drinks when the deputy— a birthday drinks when the deputy speaker of the house of sommos— deputy speaker of the house of smos tot— deputy speaker of the house of commons had described it as a twsmess— commons had described it as a business meeting.— commons had described it as a business meeting. so you've also got peopte— business meeting. so you've also got peopte wto— business meeting. so you've also got people who are— business meeting. so you've also got people who are on the stand ltrtwteges— got people who are on the stand , privileges committee , the privileges committee tootmg— , the privileges committee tootmg mto— , the privileges committee looking into conduct of looking into the conduct of ports— looking into the conduct of boris johnson— looking into the conduct of boris johnson ,— looking into the conduct of boris johnson , having themselves boris johnson, having themselves potetttottw— boris johnson, having themselves potetttottw-ttt— boris johnson, having themselves potentially did some of potentially flout did some of the potentially flout did some of tte sown— potentially flout did some of the covm rules— potentially flout did some of the covm rules .— potentially flout did some of the covid rules . what are the the covid rules. what are the totes— the covid rules. what are the tortes ptowmg— the covid rules. what are the tories playing at— the covid rules. what are the tories playing at here? mr gove i tories playing at here? mr gove r so— tories playing at here? mr gove r so r— tories playing at here? mr gove r so r mtsset— tories playing at here? mr gove i so i missed the— tories playing at here? mr gove i so i missed the very end of wow— i so i missed the very end of wow guestroo— i so i missed the very end of your question there, camilla. vow— your question there, camilla. vow sort.— your question there, camilla. you said, what— your question there, camilla. you said, what are— your question there, camilla. you said, what are the- your question there, camilla. you said, what are the tories playing at? bernard jenkin now reweotet— playing at? bernard jenkin now reweotet to— playing at? bernard jenkin now revealed to be— playing at? bernard jenkin now revealed to be a— playing at? bernard jenkin now revealed to be a party- 1“9 57 bernard jenkin now revealed to be a party around tte— revealed to be a party around tte cowo— revealed to be a party around the covm rules— revealed to be a party around the covm rules 7— revealed to be a party around the covid rules ? well i again, i the covid rules? well i again, i tot-t— the covid rules? well i again, i tot-t mow— the covid rules? well i again, i don't know the— the covid rules? well i again, i don't know the details . don't know the details. i've seen some of— don't know the details. i've seen some of the- don't know the details. i've seen some of the allegations, but i think your earlier point,

which is a very fair one, is should the police investigate? and again, my view i'm very old fashioned in this regard is that judgements about what crimes should and should not be investigated be by investigated should be made by the themselves and it's a the police themselves and it's a bad thing if politicians tell the police that they should investigate this crime and not that crime . i'm they will that crime. i'm sure they will look at whatever evidence is presented make presented and then make a judgement what the right judgement about what the right course action is. there's course of action is. there's been a debate around whether harriet harman should have recused herself chairwoman recused herself as chairwoman of that committee because of her previous comments boris previous comments about boris johnson and whether he knowingly misled house. we now hear misled the house. we now hear that misled the house. we now hear ttot swe— misled the house. we now hear ttot swe trow— misled the house. we now hear that sue gray broke— misled the house. we now hear that sue gray broke civil- that sue gray broke civil sewtse— that sue gray broke civil service impartiality rules by optmg— service impartiality rules by optmg to— service impartiality rules by opting to become keir starmer as stret— opting to become keir starmer as sttet ot— opting to become keir starmer as sttet ot stott— opting to become keir starmer as chief of staff .— opting to become keir starmer as chief of staff . do— opting to become keir starmer as chief of staff . do you think the chief of staff. do you think the totow— chief of staff. do you think the labour leader— chief of staff. do you think the labour leader should now block ttot— labour leader should now block that appointment? i know you mow— that appointment? i know you know swe— that appointment? i know you know swe trow— that appointment? i know you know sue gray quite well . i do. know sue gray quite well. i do. i know sue gray quite well. i do. rworteo— know sue gray quite well. i do. r wortet wttt— know sue gray quite well. i do. i worked with sue— know sue gray quite well. i do. i worked with sue gray- know sue gray quite well. i do. i worked with sue gray she- know sue gray quite well. i do. i worked with sue gray she was a civil servant who worked in the department for levelling up . so department for levelling up. so again , i think that keir starmer

again, i think that keir starmer has an obligation of candour to let us know what it was that he did. it would appear on the bafis did. it would appear on the basis of what we know that it was keir starmer who initiated these contacts as keir starmer, who been completely who hasn't been completely candid about what he did. but as for sue herself, i, i shan't criticise sue because i know that in all the time that i worked with her, she was a committed public servant. but do you think it's wise for keir starmer to continue with this appointment ? well, again, it's appointment? well, again, it's a matter for him. i think what we need to know is the precise sequence of events with keir starmer fessing up to what he did. i think on the basis of what we know. keir starmer, who professes to be a stickler for the rules at the very least bent them. but again , in the case of them. but again, in the case of them. but again, in the case of the ultimate appointment, there are processes here and i understand that those are rules which determine whether or not this appointment can be taken

up, are being observed . but up, are being observed. but again, it's for keir starmer to answer david warburton's decision to stand down from somerset and froome that's going to spark another by—election. so we've now got four by etesttots— so we've now got four by elections facing rishi sunak , elections facing rishi sunak, wto— elections facing rishi sunak, wto wos— elections facing rishi sunak, who was brought in to steady the sttp— who was brought in to steady the app, tot— who was brought in to steady the app, but tte— who was brought in to steady the ship, but the ship— who was brought in to steady the ship, but the ship sinking, tsp-t— ship, but the ship sinking, tst-t tt— ship, but the ship sinking, tst-t tt ttr— ship, but the ship sinking, isn't it mr gove- ship, but the ship sinking, isn't it mr gove no, we have tow— isn't it mr gove no, we have tow tw— isn't it mr gove no, we have four by elections— isn't it mr gove no, we have four by elections and in those tow— four by elections and in those tow tw— four by elections and in those four by elections,— four by elections and in those four by elections, i'm confident ttot— four by elections, i'm confident ttot tte— four by elections, i'm confident that the conservative message wttt— that the conservative message wttt prewott— that the conservative message will prevail. are— that the conservative message will prevail. are you confident wow-re— will prevail. are you confident wow-re gomg— will prevail. are you confident wow-re gomg to— will prevail. are you confident you're going to win them, ttowgte — you're going to win them, though? all— you're going to win them, though? all of- you're going to win them, though? 1 you're going to win them, though? all of those four by elections? yes what matters in those four by elections are the five priorities the prime five priorities that the prime minister has set we are the minister has set out. we are the party that's committed. we are the government is committed the government that is committed to inflation, to making to halving inflation, to making sure that we reduce debt, that we that we cut we grow the economy, that we cut nhs lists , and also that nhs waiting lists, and also that we stop the boats and but you're probably going to lose all of those by elections by—election or general election. the or general election. and the most thing is, is the most important thing is, is the government delivering for you. and it's on that basis that i think that judgements will be made. so you confident, are

made. so are you confident, are you saying seriously you're you saying seriously that you're confident by confident of winning all four by elections, including uxbridge and , the they're and south ruislip, the they're all challenging, of course , no all challenging, of course, no one would deny that any incumbent government, when it faces by elections will have a challenging time. but we have good candidates and i believe that more importantly , we have that more importantly, we have the right message as a government. and on that basis, i'm looking forward to going out there seeking to persuade every single person whom i talk to of the vital importance of keeping faith with the government that is determined to tackle the biggest challenge that we face at the moment, which is reducing inflation government inflation and the government that laser focussed on that is also laser focussed on improving our nhs and dealing with illegal migration. and the choice of course in the by elections will be dup between us and labour. as i've pointed out earlier, keir starmer has significant questions to answer with regard to his adherence to the rules, he has the rules, but he also has bigger questions to answer with regard reckless regard to his reckless commitment to borrow a commitment to borrow money in a

way that would send the markets haywire. it's not haywire. all right. it's not a party political broadcast, although i appreciate although i do appreciate that support party's support for your own party's policies. let's just talk about torts— policies. let's just talk about boris johnson. _ policies. let's just talk about boris johnson. back- t:. let's just talk about boris johnson. back 2016, you boris johnson. back in 2016, you sort— boris johnson. back in 2016, you sott te— boris johnson. back in 2016, you sott te wos— boris johnson. back in 2016, you said he was not— boris johnson. back in 2016, you said he was not fit— boris johnson. back in 2016, you said he was not fit to be pm ttet— said he was not fit to be pm then recently— said he was not fit to be pm then recently described him as a ot— then recently described him as a man of integrity.— then recently described him as a man of integrity. you said that he man of integrity. you said that te put— man of integrity. you said that te pwt tte— man of integrity. you said that he put the country first as pm. he ttt— he put the country first as pm. he to o— he put the country first as pm. he to o very— he put the country first as pm. he did a very good job. so were you— he did a very good job. so were you rtgtt— he did a very good job. so were you rtgtt m— he did a very good job. so were you right in 2016— he did a very good job. so were you right in 2016 or are you rtgtt— you right in 2016 or are you rtgtt ow— you right in 2016 or are you rtgtt e — you right in 2016 or are you right now ? well,- you right in 2016 or are you right now ? 311154: right now? well, i think the truth is that, as i remarked earlier this week, boris made mistakes. you know, we're all prone to at times making mistakes. i've made mistakes. but boris also was someone who, as prime minister, deliver the fastest vaccine rollout in europe. he was the staunchest defender of ukraine in the western world. and boris also, as we both know , after the as we both know, after the parliamentary impasse that meant that the will of the people in that the will of the people in that referendum had been frustrated. he was person frustrated. he was the person who got brexit so do you

who got brexit done. so do you now think in weighing up boris's contribution to public life, you need to both acknowledge the good as well as acknowledging the frailties ? and that is a no. the frailties? and that is a no. i think the sort of rounded judgement that that that all of us would wish to have made about our own contribution. i'm intrigued to know because it came up in anthony seldon's recent book, that he thought that all roads to boris's demise andindeed that all roads to boris's demise and indeed perhaps even the conservative party's demise in 2024 leads back to that moment where you knifed him in 2016. so do you regret that now . so do you regret that now. wett— so do you regret that now. wett. r— so do you regret that now. well, i think— so do you regret that now. well, i think it's— so do you regret that now. well, i think it's well- so do you regret that now. well, i think it's well known that at the time i felt that bods that at the time i felt that boris was not the right person to be prime minister i think it's wrong to look at any single event and say that single event is the cause of multiple different branching histories. so people will form their own judgement about boris. i've given you mine and i hope that people will appreciate that as a judgement that combines my

admiration for his great qualities with also an acknowledgement of some frailties and weaknesses . a frailties and weaknesses. a politician's answer. if cc:5 a politician's answer. if ever i more— politician's answer. if ever i teort ope— politician's answer. if ever i heard one. but— politician's answer. if ever i heard one. but michael gove, ttott— heard one. but michael gove, ttott wow— heard one. but michael gove, ttott you so— heard one. but michael gove, thank you so much for joining heard one. but michael gove, thank you so much forjoining me this thank you so much forjoining me ttts momttg— thank you so much forjoining me this morning. lovely to speak to you— this morning. lovely to speak to you ,— this morning. lovely to speak to you , somttto. — this morning. lovely to speak to you , camilla. it's— this morning. lovely to speak to you , camilla. c you, camilla. it's always a pleasure . thank you. i hope to pleasure. thank you. i hope to see you very much.— ”t: i hope to see you very much. thank ”t: 1“51

just . we've got lots more to just. we've got lots more to come on today's— just. we've got lots more to come on today's camilla tominey stow— come on today's camilla tominey stow m— come on today's camilla tominey stow to post— come on today's camilla tominey stow to post o— come on today's camilla tominey show in just a minute i'm going to te— show in just a minute i'm going to te speotmg— show in just a minute i'm going to be speaking to— show in just a minute i'm going to be speaking to brexit big teost— to be speaking to brexit big most-sows.- to be speaking to brexit big beast davis. we're also beast david davis. we're also going— beast david davis. we're also gomg to— beast david davis. we're also gomg to te— beast david davis. we're also going to be hearing from one of the going to be hearing from one of tte-ttts— going to be hearing from one of tte-wts-te- the few tory mps still to be pwtttstw— the few tory mps still to be. publicly _johnson. publicly backing boris johnson. ttot-s— publicly backing boris johnson. that's brendan— publicly backing boris johnson. that's brendan clarke—smith . and that's brendan clarke—smith. and gomg— that's brendan clarke—smith. and gomg to— that's brendan clarke—smith. and gomg to get— that's brendan clarke—smith. and we're going to get a— that's brendan clarke—smith. and we're going to get a former postse— we're going to get a former justice secretary's reaction to tte— justice secretary's reaction to tte-sto— justice secretary's reaction to the-six serial- justice secretary's reaction to the six serial killer the news that six serial killer tew — the news that six serial killer tew sette— the news that six serial killer levi belle field,— the news that six serial killer levi belle field, would you tettewe— levi belle field, would you tettewe, ts— levi belle field, would you believe, is getting married in prtsom— believe, is getting married in prison. unbelievable all prison. it's unbelievable all ttot— prison. it's unbelievable all ttot otter— prison. it's unbelievable all that after the— prison. it's unbelievable all that after the news with aaron armstrong— that after the news with aaron

armstrong .— that after the news with aaron armstrong . — that after the news with aaron armstrong . very— that after the news with aaron armstrong. «53 9: that after the news with aaron armstrong. 9: 1“9 armstrong. very good morning. it's 10:02 here armstrong. very good morning. it's10:02 here in armstrong. very good morning. it's 10:02 here in the armstrong. very good morning. it's10:02 here in the gb newsroom. footage has emerged, appearing to show conservative party staff dancing and joking about covid restrictions during the height of the pandemic. in the height of the pandemic. in the video obtained by the mirror, one partygoer can be heard discussing bending the rules and laughing while another pair dance and crash into a table covered in food and wine glasses. it's understood at least 24 people attended the christmas party held at conservative party headquarters when indoor socialising was banned. two of those at the party were named in boris johnson's resignation honours list. the conservatives say disciplinary action has already been taken . rishi sunak is been taken. rishi sunak is facing a fourth by—election following the resignation of a former tory mp, david warburton , who had the tory whip suspended last april, has stepped down from his summer town and frome seat following allegations of sexual misconduct and cocaine use. he's the fourth

tory mp in eight days to resign following the announcements by bods following the announcements by boris johnson. nigel adams and nadine dorries . teachers in nadine dorries. teachers in england will hold fresh strikes next month in their long running dispute over pay . the national dispute over pay. the national education union has announced walkouts on wednesday the fifth and friday. the 7th of july. the nea is also reballoting its members to see if they want to continue taking industrial action for the rest of the year . if you've been getting used to the nice warm weather, well today might put a bit of a dampener on it. there's thunder, lightning and heavy rain forecast. the met office has issued a yellow weather warning for thunderstorms across the majority of england and wales. that lasts until midnight. heavy showers are expected to bring as much as eight centimetres of rain within three hours in the worst affected regions, the warm temperatures will continue today, though, staying around the 20s . prince william's the mid 20s. prince william's vowed to tackle homelessness by

building social housing on his own land . the prince of wales own land. the prince of wales told the times that ending the plight of hidden homeless in the uk has been a lifelong ambition. he's expressed frustration at government councils and charities who he believes manage homelessness rather than preventing it. many of the details of the five year plan will be announced next month at and kensington palace has released a new photo of prince william and his children to mark father's day. charlotte and george are either side of their dad.the george are either side of their dad. the youngest, louis, is giving him a hug from behind all are smiling. the picture was taken on the windsor estate earlier this year. the tv online dab and tune in radio. this is gb news. now it's back to . camilla. iwelcome camilla- iwelcome back camilla— . welcome back to somttto— . welcome back to the camilla

welcome back to the camilla . welcome back to the camilla tomtnew— . welcome back to the camilla tominey stow. — . welcome back to the camilla tominey show. i'm— welcome back to the camilla tominey show. i'm going be tominey show. i'm going to be speottng— tominey show. i'm going to be speottng to— tominey show. i'm going to be speaking to david— tominey show. i'm going to be speaking to david davis in just a speaking to david davis in just oomer—t— speaking to david davis in just a_former brexit. a minute. the former brexit sesretow— a minute. the former brexit secretary- side - a minute. the former brexit. secretary- side .the secretary is by my side in the stwtto. — secretary is by my side in the stwtto. -gotng- secretary is by my side in the studio. _going to- secretary is by my side in the studio. going to be studio. i'm also going to be ported— studio. i'm also going to be joined-sarwar,- studio. i'm also going to be joined sarwar, scottish joined by anas sarwar, scottish totowr— joined by anas sarwar, scottish labour leader— joined by anas sarwar, scottish labour leader will— joined by anas sarwar, scottish labour leader will him labour leader will be asking him most— about nicola sturgeon's gwesttontng— about nicola sturgeon's questioning by police for seven tows— questioning by police for seven towsltte— questioning by police for seven hours .the week— questioning by police for seven hours the week and brendan hours in the week and brendan storte—smttt— hours in the week and brendan clarke—smith who's of clarke—smith, who's one of the rew— clarke—smith, who's one of the tew-stttt— clarke—smith, who's one of the tew-stttt to - clarke—smith, who's one of the few - still to be - few tory mps still to be pwtttstw— few tory mps still to be publicly backing boris, will tom— publicly backing boris, will tom me— publicly backing boris, will join me-with- publicly backing boris, will join me with robert join me along with robert twsttont— join me along with robert buckland about that buckland to talk about that ostontsttng— astonishing story about levi tettttett— astonishing story about levi bellfield and— astonishing story about levi bellfield and getting married in prtson— bellfield and getting married in prtsonlttrst— bellfield and getting married in prison. .first of— bellfield and getting married in prison. first of all, let's prison. but first of all, let's trtng— prison. but first of all, let's tong-sows- prison. but first of all, let's bring - davis into - prison. but first of all, let's bring davis into the bring david davis into the conversation. _ bring david davis into the conversation. see bring david davis into the- conversation. _see you conversation. lovely to see you on ttts— conversation. lovely to see you on ttts sunday— conversation. lovely to see you on this sunday morning. now so the on this sunday morning. now so tte newspopers— on this sunday morning. now so the newspapers don't make for geot— the newspapers don't make for greot reottng— the newspapers don't make for great reading for— the newspapers don't make for great reading for the conservative party. we've got tte— conservative party. we've got the—expect. conservative party. we've got tte—twpest oi the sunday mirror. expect a greot—some- the sunday mirror. expect a| greot—some-r the sunday mirror. expect a- great_come-i tell great morning to come on. i tell you— great morning to come on. i tell you wtot. — great morning to come on. i tell you wtot. rem,— great morning to come on. i tell you what. yeah, the you what. yeah, great. the sunday— you what. yeah, great. the sunday exposed . you what. yeah, great. the- sunday-exposed . these sunday mirror is exposed. these peopte— sunday mirror is exposed. these people partying— sunday mirror is exposed. these people partying hq in people partying at hq in pesemter— people partying at hq in december 2020. we've got bernard jenkin— december 2020. we've got bernard rentm seemtngtw— december 2020. we've got bernard jenkin seemingly having gone to a jenkin seemingly having gone to o ttrtttow— jenkin seemingly having gone to o ttnttow pony— jenkin seemingly having gone to a birthday party around the same ttme— a birthday party around the same ttme wten— a birthday party around the same ttme wten tte— a birthday party around the same time when the deputy speaker of the time when the deputy speaker of tte noose— time when the deputy speaker of tte nowse ot— time when the deputy speaker of the house of commons, eleanor tong— the house of commons, eleanor pang, reterret— the house of commons, eleanor laing, referred to— the house of commons, eleanor laing, referred to it— the house of commons, eleanor laing, referred to it as a twstness— laing, referred to it as a business meeting. in business meeting. not in anyone's minds are watching anyone's minds who are watching gb anyone's minds who are watching on news— anyone's minds who are watching on news or— anyone's minds who are watching gb news or listening to the roots.— gb news or listening to the roots. we-we— gb news or listening to the radio. we've got— gb news or listening to the radio. we've got james warburton towng— radio. we've got james warburton now, having stood— radio. we've got james warburton now, having stood from now, having stood down from

somerset— now, having stood down from somerset-frome.- now, having stood down from somerset frome. that's somerset and frome. that's a town— somerset and frome. that's a towrtt—steotwl fourth byelection for steady steotwtng— fourth byelection for steady steotwtng tte— fourth byelection for steady steadying the ship. rishi sunak i steadying the ship. rishi sunak r put— steadying the ship. rishi sunak r pwt tt— steadying the ship. rishi sunak r pwt t to— steadying the ship. rishi sunak i put it to michael gove earlier ont— i put it to michael gove earlier ont ttt— i put it to michael gove earlier ont r-tt pot— i put it to michael gove earlier ont r-tt pwt tt— i put it to michael gove earlier and i'll put it to— i put it to michael gove earlier and i'll put it to you. the ship stnttng— and i'll put it to you. the ship anppng, tsn-t— and i'll put it to you. the ship sinking, isn't it— and i'll put it to you. the ship sinking, isn't it interest rates at sinking, isn't it interest rates otlvow— sinking, isn't it interest rates otlvow wee— sinking, isn't it interest rates atlyou were a— sinking, isn't it interest rates at you were a minister in 97, at 6. you were a minister in 97, i_m— at 6. you were a minister in 97, r-wow-twope- at 6. you were a minister in 97,| i-you-europe minister i think you were europe minister post— i think you were europe minister post tten. — i think you were europe minister post tten. are— i think you were europe minister back then. are we— i think you were europe minister back then. are we seeing 1997 all back then. are we seeing 1997 or oer— back then. are we seeing 1997 all over again?— back then. are we seeing 1997 all over again? no, don't all over again? no, i don't tttnt— all over again? no, i don't tttntiore. — all over again? no, i don't think-are. imean,�* all over again? no, i don't think are. think we are. i mean, it's pretty i mean, as you pretty stormy. i mean, as you say, steadying steadying say, steadying me, steadying crikey. way of crikey. that's one way of pwtttng — crikey. that's one way of pwtttng tt— crikey. that's one way of pwtttng tt . — crikey. that's one way of putting it. it's- 1c” so; that's one way of putting it. c 91: 1“9 1c” that's one way of putting it . c 91: 1“9 crikey. that's one way of- putting it . it's going to test. putting it. it's going to test. it's going to rishi's it's going to test rishi's nautical , shall we say. nautical skill, shall we say. but it's pretty stormy. but no, it's look i came it's manageable. look i came into parliament in 87, one year after margaret thatcher lost ryedale . spectacular loss and it ryedale. spectacular loss and it went from 20 odd thousand majority to , i think —6000 or majority to, i think —6000 or something. yes and then the very next year we got it back again and we got returned. so i wouldn't worry too much about the byelections. they'll be embarrassing, the byelections. they'll be embarrassing , difficult. they'll embarrassing, difficult. they'll cause problems with winning any of them. oh, i don't know. it's very hard to tell . it depends if very hard to tell. it depends if they happen at same time they all happen at the same time or not. because, i mean, even on

the we lost ryedale, we hung the day we lost ryedale, we hung on to a derbyshire one. yes. and then they both safe seats. so it's very hard to tell . i don't it's very hard to tell. i don't think they indicate much really . they're sort of demons , . they're sort of demons, straight a battlefields, but they're not real predictors of outcomes . they never have been. outcomes. they never have been. yeah but you know, there's no doubt about it. i mean, as you say in 2024 are looking looking bad. you've say in 2024 are looking looking bad . you've got a very slim bad. you've got a very slim stose— bad. you've got a very slim stose ot— bad. you've got a very slim chance of pulling- 3151: you've got a very slim chance of pulling this back. i ttmt— chance of pulling this back. i ttmt we— chance of pulling this back. i ttmt we 1— chance of pulling this back. i think we i think— chance of pulling this back. i think we i think we- chance of pulling this back. i think we i think we have- think we i think we have a modest chance. i wouldn't say it's a majority. i'd say it's probably a two thirds chance of not winning half it. labour not winning half of it. labour winning overall winning half of it. no, overall control a hung parliament. and perhaps with a third chance, which you blame that on because i know you were the one of the first to call boris johnson to go. you know, you can blame torts— go. you know, you can blame boris johnson— go. you know, you can blame boris johnson .— go. you know, you can blame boris johnson . lots- 91: you know, you can blame boris johnson . lots of 911:1 you know, you can blame boris johnson . lots of people boris johnson. lots of people wotsttng— boris johnson. lots of people wotsttng ont— boris johnson. lots of people watching and listening to this wttt—rost- will be blaming the lack of conservatism _ will be blaming the lack of conservatism conservative conservatism in the conservative party,— conservatism in the conservative party, _frustrate - party, which must frustrate sometotw— party, which must frustrate somebody-you. - party, which must frustrate somebody you. well, it does somebody like you. well, it does . tot— somebody like you. well, it does . not 1— somebody like you. well, it does . not 1 mem— somebody like you. well, it does . but i mean, the— somebody like you. well, it does . but i mean, the first- somebody like you. well, it does . but i mean, the first thing, you got to careful not to you got to be careful not to forget is the turmoil were

already in there sort of objective turmoil, whether it's the covid, whether it's the ukraine war, whether it's the run up of international interest rates, all those things together. but rishi sunak is meant to steady this ship in very choppy waters. and we're now at very choppy waters. and we're now-at interest- very choppy waters. and we're now-at interest rates. very choppy waters. and we'rei now-at interest rates of now looking at interest rates of 6. now looking at interest rates of oltnow— now looking at interest rates of 6.-know, there's— now looking at interest rates of 6.-know, there's a- now looking at interest rates of 6. know, there's a big focus 6. you know, there's a big focus on now— 6. you know, there's a big focus on how.affects_ 6. you know, there's a big focus on how . affects the - 6. you know, there's a big focus on how affects the household on how it affects the household ttnmses — on how it affects the household finances. you're _ on how it affects the household finances. you're a— on how it affects the household finances. you're a former businessman,— finances. you're a former businessman, does businessman, rightly. how does it businessman, rightly. how does tt ottest— businessman, rightly. how does it affect businesses? david? were— it affect businesses? david? were-to— it affect businesses? david? were-to te— it affect businesses? david? we're to be seeing we're going to be seeing foreclosures— we're going to be seeing foreclosures people's homes foreclosures on people's homes ont— foreclosures on people's homes ont gong— foreclosures on people's homes and we're going to— foreclosures on people's homes and we're going to be seeing twstnesses— and we're going to be seeing businesses because there's businesses fold because there's no-r— businesses fold because there's no-1 me— businesses fold because there's no-1 tte— businesses fold because there's no i mean, the government's no way i mean, the government's expresses— no way i mean, the government's expressed surprise— no way i mean, the government's expressed surprise this week ttot— expressed surprise this week ttot ttere-s— expressed surprise this week that there's wage inflation. wttt— that there's wage inflation. will government put the will the government put the rmntmwm— will the government put the minimum wage— will the government put the minimum wage up by 9.2? what toes— minimum wage up by 9.2? what toes ot— minimum wage up by 9.2? what does some of this— minimum wage up by 9.2? what does some of this is idiotic. row— does some of this is idiotic. vow mow,— does some of this is idiotic. you know, the— does some of this is idiotic. you know, the corporation tax increase corporation tax increase on _ increase corporation tax increase on what profits . well increase on what profits. well i weot— increase on what profits. well i weot te— increase on what profits. well i mean yeah be careful because sorporotton— mean yeah be careful because sorporotton tox— mean yeah be careful because corporation tax with super deductions _ corporation tax with super deductions and so on it's not nesessorttw— deductions and so on it's not necessarily quite— deductions and so on it's not necessarily quite as clear as it toots. — necessarily quite as clear as it toots. tot— necessarily quite as clear as it looks. but you're— necessarily quite as clear as it looks. ”11: 91“ necessarily quite as clear as it looks. 19“ looks. but you're right. i'm a low tax tory. i would prefer a lower tax strategy. i want to see i'm hoping this autumn we're going to have an autumn budget

and the beginnings of a reduction in taxes . but the but reduction in taxes. but the but the your point about steadying the your point about steadying the we need rishi more now the ship. we need rishi more now than because of all that, than ever because of all that, all that globalist , technocratic all that globalist, technocratic rishi who may be taken hostage by the treasury . no, i don't by the treasury. no, i don't think so. i think he's the last person to be taken hostage by the treasury. he's one person who can actually argue with them and to them. okay, and stand up to them. okay, well, example. well, let's use an example. there's a story in the paper otowt— there's a story in the paper otowt peopte— there's a story in the paper about people wanting to go ogotnst— about people wanting to go ogotnst-ot- about people wanting to go against of being against this idea of being in ttts— against this idea of being in. ttts—ore this band of countries that are in this band of countries that are tn—sorporotel this band of countries that are| in _corporate tax in this minimum corporate tax tone.— in this minimum corporate tax tong—rts- band. they think it's anti—growth , that we shouldn't anti—growth, that we shouldn't be ottgntng— anti—growth, that we shouldn't be aligning-with- be aligning ourselves with peopte— be aligning ourselves with. peopte—ttgt people with historically high sorporotton— people with historically high corporation tax— people with historically high corporation tax rates. whole corporation tax rates. the whole pont— corporation tax rates. the whole potnt ot— corporation tax rates. the whole potnt ot oremt— corporation tax rates. the whole point of brexit was— corporation tax rates. the whole point of brexit was that we went otone— point of brexit was that we went otone ont— point of brexit was that we went alone and there— point of brexit was that we went alone and there were more stngoporeon— alone and there were more singaporean that hasn't singaporean and that hasn't toppenet. — singaporean and that hasn't toppenet. -1- singaporean and that hasn't happened. _i to- singaporean and that hasn't happened. singaporean and that hasn't- happened. _i to be honest, happened. well, i to be honest, i sympathy them. i have some sympathy with them. but but but it's as but there is but but it's not as simple because simple as it sounds because i think idea was to have think the idea was to have a minimum corporation 15. minimum corporation tax of 15. well, one of the effects of that would be to bring luxembourg, ireland, netherlands , us and ireland, the netherlands, us and other and indeed some other countries and indeed some of our own dependent territories into the same box that we're in

because we lose quite a lot of trade to ireland, for example, because it has a lower so it would equalise that. so it's not quite as simple as it looks , but quite as simple as it looks, but i do actually believe in the long term interest, sorry, corporation tax rate competition is good for the world at large . is good for the world at large. so i think you'd rather our tax rate was lower, right? i'd rather tax rate was- rather tax rate was low. 11317 rather tax rate was low. of 1— rather tax rate was low. of course i would.— rather tax rate was low. of course i would. do- rather tax rate was low. of course i would. do you agree with. but not not by not by borrowing to do it. which was which was the which was the liz truss what's your reaction truss btec what's your reaction to again, having to mark carney again, having a go brexit and blaming brexit go at brexit and blaming brexit for inflation? well, i've for high inflation? well, i've been out for high inflation? well, i've been-out loud- for high inflation? well, i've been _out loud thisi been laughing out loud this week. —1tort- been laughing out loud this week. _mark and week. what with mark carney and the casey at the covid covid brexit fault. yeah , it's just brexit fault. yeah, it's just moess— brexit fault. yeah, it's just madness and— brexit fault. yeah, it's just madness and what- 511:,1p< c yeah, it's just madness and what you're seeing is i madness and what you're seeing 1s 1 mm— madness and what you're seeing 1s 1 tttnt 1— madness and what you're seeing is i think i think— madness and what you're seeing is i think i think what the sostot— is i think i think what the social psychologists call confirmatory— social psychologists call confirmatory bias people who wont— confirmatory bias people who wont to— confirmatory bias people who want to believe— confirmatory bias people who want to believe brexit is a tempte— want to believe brexit is a terrible thing,— want to believe brexit is a terrible thing, look around and ptst— terrible thing, look around and ptst ,— terrible thing, look around and ptst , on— terrible thing, look around and ptst , on, ttot— terrible thing, look around and pick , oh, that went wrong. pick, oh, that went wrong. ttot-s— pick, oh, that went wrong. that's brexit. _ pick, oh, that went wrong. that's brexit. they- pick, oh, that went wrong. that's brexit. they don't look and see that our service exports have gone up by the highest in

the g7, the highest in europe and pretty much the highest in the world that we've got high employment levels and so on. and much of it and so how much of it inflationary— inflationary measures particularly- inflationary measures particularly of particularly are the bank of tngtont-s— particularly are the bank of tngtont-s-r- particularly are the bank of england's i mean, england's fault? i mean, tnstwttng— england's fault? i mean, including carney? england's fault? i mean, including-carney? the including mark carney? he's the one-pressed.— including mark carney? he's the one-presided. i— including mark carney? he's the one presided. i think one who presided. i think historically,— one who presided. i think historically, there's no doubt ttot— historically, there's no doubt ttot wtot— historically, there's no doubt that what every— historically, there's no doubt that what every country in the wont— that what every country in the wortt went— that what every country in the world went for— that what every country in the world went for in— that what every country in the world went for in quantitative eostng— world went for in quantitative eostng tos— world went for in quantitative easing has been— world went for in quantitative easing has been a feeder to core tnttotton. — easing has been a feeder to core inflation. there's— easing has been a feeder to core inflation. there's no- easing has been a feeder to core inflation. 1:11:1 inflation. there's no doubt about that in my mind at and there were reasons for it at the time. you know, just as during covid, we had to spend money that didn't have bluntly to that we didn't have bluntly to keep going , we're now keep things going, we're now having to pay the price that having to pay the price of that . banks had the . so yeah, the banks had the banks a role in this. you banks had a role in this. you know, frankly, i would have had a different bank governor years back. but are you disappointed wttt— back. but are you disappointed wttt tow— back. but are you disappointed with how brexit— back. but are you disappointed with how brexit is— : but are you disappointed with how brexit is worked out? do with how brexit is worked out? to wow— with how brexit is worked out? do you tttnt— with how brexit is worked out? do you think government's do you think the government's tone— do you think the government's done-maximise- do you think the government's done maximise the done enough to maximise the opponwnttw— done enough to maximise the opponwnttw-wo.- done enough to maximise the opportunity-no, it- done enough to maximise the. opportunity-no, it hasn't. opportunity? no. no, it hasn't. no. those are two different questions. answer to one questions. okay answer to one no, because , you know, this is no, because, you know, this is only the second year really in the midst of crises galore on a global scale. has the government

done enough? no, it hasn't. indeed. i think the government missed some chances during the covid period when it could have been planning things and it wasn't really working hard enough. but but you know, enough. but but also, you know, listen, i resigned because i thought the original strategy was wrong and that meant we had to pull the pull. talking about turning ocean liners, we had to pull the whole ocean liner back and to be fair to boris, he did start that process. so hasn't start that process. so it hasn't been done as well as it should be. is it is it has it failed? certainly not, no. i mean, as i say, some of the economic numbers that people don't say to you on our overall growth rate better than europe on service levels, which is the biggest part, of economy, we're part, 80% of the economy, we're doing really, really well. yeah. so there's lots of things we're doing well and of course, whether it's vaccines or ukraine, our independence has actually worked both to our advantage and to the world's advantage. although still the news agenda is dominated by all things blonde and boris ish. how are you going to vote

tomorrow e — how are you going to vote tomorrow ? if— how are you going to vote tomorrow ? �*7 111: tomorrow? if there's a vote, i will vote to support the committee and the reason for thatis committee and the reason for that is i've actually read the report. i mean, it's 30,000 words. you're confident that homet— words. you're confident that harriet harman— : you're confident that harriet harman was a neutral orttter— harriet harman was a neutral orttter 1n— harriet harman was a neutral arbiter in all— harriet harman was a neutral arbiter in all this, having . arbiter in all this, having. res.— arbiter in all this, having. res. ant— arbiter in all this, having. yes. and having tweeted that she ttowgtt— yes. and having tweeted that she. thought—parliament. thought boris misled parliament. tot-s— thought boris misled parliament. let's-understand— thought boris misled parliament. let's-understand something. let's let's understand something about like about this. i mean, people like rees—mogg argue very strongly about the importance of parliament. boris argues about it. and one of the things about parliament is it's the highest court in the land creates court in the land that creates a problem you're coming to problem when you're coming to privileges. that problem? problem when you're coming to privlikezs. that problem? problem when you're coming to privlike having that problem? problem when you're coming to privlike having a that problem? problem when you're coming to privlike having a trial problem? problem when you're coming to privlike having a trial in'oblem? problem when you're coming to privlike having a trial in a)lem? it's like having a trial in a village every body knows everybody . nobody is entirely everybody. nobody is entirely unbiased. anybody in the whole thing. and this was true with boris, too. i mean, people took views on either side of the divide. now, what's important about this report, and i recommend to your viewers, if they really care about this, actually read it , because what actually read it, because what they do is they take six cases. they say to boris, the last 16,

the ones involving chequers and so on, they just take boris's word for it. yeah, they take six cases and five of which he was actually at the parties and go through them piece by piece and say, did he know about this ? did say, did he know about this? did he know about them ? did he he know about them? did he attend? he's arguing. how do ttew— attend? he's arguing. how do ttew mow— attend? he's arguing. how do ttew mow tts— attend? he's arguing. how do they know his own— :7 he's arguing. how do they know his own mind at the ttmee — they know his own mind at the ttmee mew— they know his own mind at the time? they-have- they know his own mind at the. time? they-haveiwhat time? they don't have to. what they is what he knows. they know is what he knows. yeah. if you if you go to a party, you know, it was a party. you don't need an adviser to tell you. and if your tell you. and if and if your readers, if your viewers don't have read the whole have time to read the whole thing, just read about. the eight paragraphs from 109 onwards and they'll see what i mean, do what journalists do. just read the conclusion . well, just read the conclusion. well, it's just read the conclusion. well, 1t-s not— just read the conclusion. well, no not tte— just read the conclusion. well, it's not the conclusion because in the conclusion they say, look at paragraph that at paragraph this for that paragraph. it's a very, paragraph. it's a it's a very, very argued report. so very carefully argued report. so in a way, that means almost this is slightly contradictory because i remember having conversations with you about the process that paterson faced process that owen paterson faced , criticisms, , and there's been criticisms, david warburton today david warburton said today that standards kafka esque standards process is kafka esque and you concerned about it

and you were concerned about it . so mps investigating mps toesn-t— . so mps investigating mps doesn't always— so mps investigating mps doesn't always work out that wow. — doesn't always work out that wow. ntronw— doesn't always work out that way. .irony well- doesn't always work out that way. irony well course way. the irony well of course toterson — way. the irony well of course paterson wasn't _ way. the irony well of course paterson wasn't a— way. the irony well of course paterson wasn't a full privileges— paterson wasn't a full privileges committee c privileges committee it was a stontorst— privileges committee it was a standard, yes,— privileges committee it was a standard, yes, yes. so- privileges committee it was a standard, yes, yes. so it- privileges committee c :: 11/11:5 «11:5 so it had standard, yes, yes. so it had some actually— standard, yes, yes. so it had some actually went- standard, yes, yes. so it had some actually went to- :: 11/11:5 «11:5 so it had some actually went to see boris in some actually went to see boris tn sprtng— some actually went to see boris tn sprtng ot— some actually went to see boris in spring of 2021— some actually went to see boris in spring of 2021 and said, torts— in spring of 2021 and said, torts ,— in spring of 2021 and said, torts , wow— in spring of 2021 and said, boris , you need- in spring of 2021 and said, boris , you need to fix this boris, you need to fix this system. — boris, you need to fix this system. ano— boris, you need to fix this system. and he- boris, you need to fix this system. 1 1“ c boris, you need to fix this- system. and he didn't. right? he didn't, because it was somebody else involved. it wasn't him involved. he didn't do anything about it. one more question otowt— about it. one more question otowt o— about it. one more question about a system— about it. one more question about a system that- c one more question about a system that could be tset— about a system that could be fixed resignation— about a system that could be fixed resignation honours, noos— fixed resignation honours, toos 1n— fixed resignation honours, honours in general, david. i tte— honours in general, david. i mean, the ennobling and indeed the mean, the ennobling and indeed tte oworttng— mean, the ennobling and indeed the awarding of— mean, the ennobling and indeed the awarding of awards to peopte.— the awarding of awards to peopte. 1— the awarding of awards to people. i mean, two of them have teen— people. i mean, two of them have teen sowgtt— people. i mean, two of them have teen sowgtt out— people. i mean, two of them have been caught out in— people. i mean, two of them have been caught out in the hq video ten— been caught out in the hq video ten nottett— been caught out in the hq video ben mallett and— been caught out in the hq video ben mallett and horrible sean notew— ben mallett and horrible sean tottew. wto-s— ben mallett and horrible sean bailey. who's this? charlotte owen — bailey. who's this? charlotte owen wto — bailey. who's this? charlotte owen who was— bailey. who's this? charlotte owen who was a— bailey. who's this? charlotte owen who was a secretary to ports— owen who was a secretary to ports tor— owen who was a secretary to boris for about— owen who was a secretary to boris for about five minutes and is boris for about five minutes and 1s now— boris for about five minutes and 1s o empe— boris for about five minutes and is now a member of the house. i tttnt— is now a member of the house. i tttnt ttew— is now a member of the house. i think they call— is now a member of the house. i think they call them executive osststonts — think they call them executive assistants, something like that. wtot-s— assistants, something like that. wtot-s-one— assistants, something like that. what's-on?-we. assistants, something like that. what's-on?-we just what's going on? should we just ssrop— what's going on? should we just scrap—honours?- scrap resignation honours? i ton-t— scrap resignation honours? i tow—no.- scrap resignation honours? i ton-t—no. 1- scrap resignation honours? ii don't—no, i don't don't know. i'm no, i don't think look , what's think so. i mean, look, what's the point of a resignation honour ? i mean, it sounds like

honour? i mean, it sounds like an anachronism. what it is normally ministers at normally is prime ministers at the end of their time in office rewarding a few people. yes notably people who have notably a few people who have been above upon numbers. above may be that may be a good idea. 3rd may be a good idea. five a dozen maybe, but a dozen . yeah. dozen maybe, but a dozen. yeah. well, look, i mean, how many people work in ten. 400, people work in number ten. 400, believe not now. but. but believe it. or not now. but. but the point being , it allows them the point being, it allows them to reward people who acted above and beyond in the public interest. but this dates from the days, as it were, when politicians yeah politicians were gentlemen. yeah perhaps not. no longer the case. well, you must your your viewers must draw their own conclusions. yeah will you get knighted at some-e — yeah will you get knighted at some-e 1— yeah will you get knighted at some-? i don't- yeah will you get knighted at some-? i don't think. yeah will you get knighted at| some-? i don't think so yeah will you get knighted at. some-? i don't think so. some point? i don't think so. wot— some point? i don't think so. not tw— some point? i don't think so. not to ports— some point? i don't think so. not by boris johnson.- some point? 1:11:11“ c not by boris johnson. but maybe wow-we— not by boris johnson. but maybe wow-we swpponet— not by boris johnson. but maybe you've supported sunak. you've supported rishi sunak. no, you've supported rishi sunak. wo.—wett— you've supported rishi sunak. wo—wstt rts- you've supported rishi sunak. no,_well it's let- you've supported rishi sunak. no,_well it's let mel no, it doesn't. well it's let me put it this way. i haven't rushed to be knighted or rushed to accept any offers . all right. to accept any offers. all right. well, thank you very much . not well, thank you very much. not sir. well, thank you very much. not powe— well, thank you very much. not sir. david davis— well, thank you very much. not sir. david davis ,— well, thank you very much. not sir. david davis , thank you for sir. david davis, thank you for totntng— sir. david davis, thank you for totntng me— sir. david davis, thank you for totntng me 1n— sir. david davis, thank you for joining me in the— sir. david davis, thank you for joining me in the studio this momtng— joining me in the studio this morning. always lovely to see wow.— morning. always lovely to see wow—wow- morning. always lovely to see wow—wow we-rel morning. always lovely to see. you._now we're going you. thank you. now we're going to go— you. thank you. now we're going to go trom— you. thank you. now we're going to go from david—

you. thank you. now we're going to go from david davis, who i keep— to go from david davis, who i keep on— to go from david davis, who i keep on describing as a frenemy. no, keep on describing as a frenemy. wolewen— keep on describing as a frenemy. wolewen o— keep on describing as a frenemy. no,-even a frenemy- keep on describing as a frenemy. no, even a frenemy boris no, not even a frenemy of boris rotnson— no, not even a frenemy of boris rotnson-enemw- johnson, just an enemy i tessrttet— johnson, just an enemy i described gove johnson, just an enemy ii described-gove as described michael gove as a trenemw. — described michael gove as a trenemw. .o— described michael gove as a frenemy. .a critic- described michael gove as a frenemy. 1:.1 c 1:. frenemy. i'm a critic of boris johnson. a of boris johnson. a critic of boris 1otnson— johnson. a critic of boris johnson. -no,- johnson. a critic of boris johnson. -no, it's. johnson. a critic of boris- johnson.-no, it's michael johnson. yeah no, it's michael sowe— johnson. yeah no, it's michael. gove, the fremen. and let's now go to— gove, the fremen. and let's now go to o— gove, the fremen. and let's now go to o swpponer— gove, the fremen. and let's now go to a supporter of— gove, the fremen. and let's now go to a supporter of boris rotnson— go to a supporter of boris johnson, brendan clarke—smith, tow—ne- johnson, brendan clarke—smith,i tow—me sewet johnson, brendan clarke—smith, tory minister he served johnson, brendan clarke—smith, tory minister under he served johnson, brendan clarke—smith, tory minister under johnson.rved johnson, brendan clarke—smith, tory minister under johnson. now as a minister underjohnson. now trenton— as a minister underjohnson. now trenton 11m— as a minister underjohnson. now trenton 1-m-to— as a minister underjohnson. now brendan, i'm-to just- as a minister underjohnson. now brendan, i'm to just read brendan, i'm going to just read ttts— brendan, i'm going to just read ttts-trom— brendan, i'm going to just read ttts-mom 1.— brendan, i'm going to just read ttts-mom 1. t- brendan, i'm going to just read this from j. l partners this polling from j. l partners to wow— this polling from j. l partners to you because— this polling from j. l partners to you because i— this polling from j. l partners to you because i just think it sort— to you because i just think it sort ot— to you because i just think it sort ot-tt— to you because i just think it sort ot-tt up— to you because i just think it sort of it up today. it was sort of sums it up today. it was in sort of sums it up today. it was 1n-swntow— sort of sums it up today. it was in-sunday times.- sort of sums it up today. it was in sunday times. forgive in the sunday times. forgive me, but in the sunday times. forgive me, tut—rt.— in the sunday times. forgive me, tut—1tlsows- in the sunday times. forgive me, but_it..says the. but let me read it. it says the rest— but let me read it. it says the rest wort— but let me read it. it says the red wall prefers— but let me read it. it says the red wall prefers rishi sunak to ports— red wall prefers rishi sunak to boris johnson— red wall prefers rishi sunak to boris johnson by— red wall prefers rishi sunak to boris johnson by 20 points. it sows— boris johnson by 20 points. it sows torts— boris johnson by 20 points. it says boris johnson is less popwtor— says boris johnson is less popwtor wttt— says boris johnson is less popular with the british public tton— popular with the british public tton ttttttp— popular with the british public than phillip schofield and xi tnptng— than phillip schofield and xi tnptng .— than phillip schofield and xi tnptng . 1t— than phillip schofield and xi jinping . it further says, and jinping. it further says, and i grote— jinping. it further says, and i quote ,— jinping. it further says, and i quote , ttts— jinping. it further says, and i quote , this is— jinping. it further says, and i quote , this is from jamie quote, this is from jamie rotnson— quote, this is from jamie rotnson no— quote, this is from jamie johnson, no relation . obviously, johnson, no relation. obviously, if conservative _ johnson, no relation. obviously, if conservative mps want any stose— if conservative mps want any stose ot— if conservative mps want any chance of winning their seats, ttew— chance of winning their seats, ttew wttt— chance of winning their seats, they will need— chance of winning their seats, they will need to _ chance of winning their seats, they will need to stop peddling they will need to stop peddling tte torts— they will need to stop peddling the boris fantasy— they will need to stop peddling the boris fantasy and move on. trenton— the boris fantasy and move on. brendan, you've— the boris fantasy and move on. brendan, you've got to move on. wett— brendan, you've got to move on. wet somttto— brendan, you've got to move on. well camilla, i— brendan, you've got to move on. well camilla, i think this takes me post— well camilla, i think this takes me post to— well camilla, i think this takes me post to my— well camilla, i think this takes me back to my childhood and wotsttng— me back to my childhood and wotsttng tte— me back to my childhood and watching the original house of sorts— watching the original house of sorts ont— watching the original house of cards and talking about opinion

potttng— cards and talking about opinion potttng ont— cards and talking about opinion potttng ont ttew— cards and talking about opinion polling and they say they can say— polling and they say they can sowlon— polling and they say they can saylan optnton— polling and they say they can say an opinion poll, whatever say in an opinion poll, whatever you— say in an opinion poll, whatever you wont— say in an opinion poll, whatever you wont ttem— say in an opinion poll, whatever you want them to— say in an opinion poll, whatever you want them to say, really , you want them to say, really, got— you want them to say, really, got-te— you want them to say, really, we've got-be very- you want them to say, really, we've got be very careful not we've got to be very careful not to—pott. - we've got to be very careful not to—pott. 1- to just look at one poll. i ttmt— to just look at one poll. i think-we're- to just look at one poll. i think-we're lookingl to just look at one poll. i think we're looking at how think when we're looking at how parties are generally , we parties are doing generally, we never attention one never pay attention to just one poll. that's all they are. of course, they were very wrong in the they the general election. they were very in the referendum. the general election. they were veryof in the referendum. the general election. they were veryof course,the referendum. the general election. they were veryof course, yeah1ferendum. the general election. they were veryof course, yeah ,erendum. the general election. they were veryof course, yeah , iendum. the general election. they were veryof course, yeah , i mean,. but of course, yeah, i mean, it's interesting looking at what they but johnson they say, but boris johnson still enjoys a lot of support. where i am . still enjoys a lot of support. where i am. i'm still enjoys a lot of support. where i am . i'm pleased the poll where i am. i'm pleased the poll said rishi is popular said that rishi sunak is popular in wall. that's nice to in the red wall. that's nice to hean in the red wall. that's nice to hear, but i would take it with a pinch salt though. imean, pinch of salt though. i mean, your was held pinch of salt though. i mean, your-was held-labouri your seat was held by labour between— your seat was held by labour between depression your seat was held by labour- between-depression and between the great depression and 2019.— between the great depression and sore. ptwtowsw— between the great depression and 2019. obviously you— between the great depression and 2019. obviously you won this ttstorts— 2019. obviously you won this historic victor— 2019. obviously you won this historic victor in— 2019. obviously you won this historic victor in 2019, but be tonest— historic victor in 2019, but be tonest wttt— historic victor in 2019, but be honest with me,— historic victor in 2019, but be honest with me, brendan, how concerned are you— honest with me, brendan, how concerned are you that you're going— concerned are you that you're gotng to— concerned are you that you're gotng to tose— concerned are you that you're going to lose bassetlaw in 2024? wett— going to lose bassetlaw in 2024? wett 1— going to lose bassetlaw in 2024? wett 1 mm— going to lose bassetlaw in 2024? well i think there's— going to lose bassetlaw in 2024? well i think there's no such tttng— well i think there's no such tttng os— well i think there's no such tttng os o— well i think there's no such thing as a safe— well i think there's no such thing as a safe seat. '1“1: thing as a safe seat. and i ttmt— thing as a safe seat. and i think when you have that attitude, that's how you do lose seats. you have to work hard, you have to work hard in your incumbency, and you should never take granted.

take voters for granted. and that's people that's part of the reason people like got elected , because like me got elected, because labour were taking people for granted seats. we've granted in these seats. we've got at least by elections got at least four by elections coming now the same thing. coming up now the same thing. you they look at you know, they will look at whether they think the member of parliament done good parliament has done a good job. some going to be a some of it's going to be a reflection on on at reflection on on things at the moment. same time, it moment. but at the same time, it shows working in shows why working hard in your constituency important. constituency is so important. really. now tried focus really. now i've tried to focus on here. i've tried on local issues here. i've tried to mp i would hope to be a good mp and i would hope that be rewarded with that. that i'd be rewarded with that. but of course that's that's not doubting. a difficult doubting. it's a very difficult time we take time for us and we should take nothing granted. uh, and on nothing for granted. uh, and on bods nothing for granted. uh, and on torts rotnson— nothing for granted. uh, and on boris johnson, i— nothing for granted. uh, and on boris johnson, i-do- boris johnson, i mean, do you not— boris johnson, i mean, do you notnow-— boris johnson, i mean, do you notnow- otter- boris johnson, i mean, do you not now after everything not accept now after everything ttot-s— not accept now after everything ttot-s toppenet— not accept now after everything that's happened and obviously he stoned—1n- that's happened and obviously he started—in the. started his new column in the mott— started his new column in the mot-seems— started his new column in the mail,-seems to- started his new column in the mail, seems to have mail, so he seems to have moved on-te-s— mail, so he seems to have moved on-he's politically— mail, so he seems to have moved on he's politically dead on that he's politically dead ont— on that he's politically dead one-rtgtt— on that he's politically dead and-right now- on that he's politically dead and-right now .- on that he's politically dead and right now . brendan, and buried right now. brendan, wow-we— and buried right now. brendan, wow-we-to— and buried right now. brendan, wow-we-to moe— and buried right now. brendan, you've to move on, haven't you've got to move on, haven't you?— you've got to move on, haven't wore-ot— you've got to move on, haven't wore-or tte— you've got to move on, haven't you? of the supporters of you? all of the supporters of tons— you? all of the supporters of boris johnson— you? all of the supporters of boris johnson have to move boris johnson have got to move onso-ste— boris johnson have got to move oto-ste ot— boris johnson have got to move oto-ste ot pony- boris johnson have got to move on sake of party unity. on for the sake of party unity. we on for the sake of party unity. we wett— on for the sake of party unity. we wat, 1— on for the sake of party unity. we well, i think— on for the sake of party unity. we well, i think if a lot of us towe— we well, i think if a lot of us towe mowet— we well, i think if a lot of us have moved on— we well, i think if a lot of us have moved on a— we well, i think if a lot of us have moved on a long time ago, but wtot— have moved on a long time ago, but what-don't— have moved on a long time ago, but what don't want to see is but what we don't want to see is ot— but what we don't want to see is one of our colleagues thrown otter— one of our colleagues thrown wnter tte— one of our colleagues thrown under the bus— one of our colleagues thrown under the bus and treated very poortw. — under the bus and treated very poorly- .1— under the bus and treated very poorly- .1tt1nt- under the bus and treated very poorly. .i think that's- poorly. and i think that's what

this camilla. this is really about, camilla. it's boris making some it's not about boris making some big anything like big comeback or anything like that. someone being that. it's about someone being able to leave office with dignity . and think he's dignity. and we think that he's been subjected to what's very, been subjected to what's a very, very unfair or unfair committee there. i think the conclusions at the end seem very spiteful and vindictive of just the 90 days. but taking this pass off him as well, which is unprecedented for a former prime minister, really, we just want to see the right thing by to see the right thing done by him, would with any him, as i would with any colleague. if colleague. and of course, if someone other benches someone was on the other benches and way, i'd be and treated this way, i'd be saying the same thing. although we hear-boris— saying the same thing. although we hear-boris johnson- we hear that boris johnson toesn-t— doesn't necessarily want his swpponers— doesn't necessarily want his supporters, included , supporters, yourself included, to-o— supporters, yourself included, to-o vote— supporters, yourself included, to a vote tomorrow if to call for a vote tomorrow if ttere—o- to call for a vote tomorrow ifi ttere—o wote there isn't going to be a vote tesse— there isn't going to be a vote because-worried- there isn't going to be a vote because worried he won't there isn't going to be a vote because numbers ried he won't there isn't going to be a vote becausenumbers ,ed he won't there isn't going to be a vote because numbers , howa won't there isn't going to be a vote because numbers , how would you get the numbers, how would you vote? — get the numbers, how would you vote? wett— get the numbers, how would you vote? well, boris— get the numbers, how would you vote? well, boris is— get the numbers, how would you vote? 1“ vote? well, boris is keen, but bodsis vote? well, boris is keen, but boris is keen to move on. i mean, i've been quite vocal about this, saying that i refuse to vote for this report and i would vote against it. part of me wants to do that . i think me wants to do that. i think it's such a appalling set of sanctions and i have doubts about how the report came to its conclusions in the first place

about chairmanship issues and about chairmanship issues and about all sorts of other things. so part of me actually to so part of me actually wants to see walk through those see people walk through those lobbies, to their lobbies, justify it to their constituents, justify it to their members, why voted their members, why they voted their members, why they voted the they did. now, if the way they did. now, if there's if there's not going to be a vote, i mean, yeah, the problem is the opposition are going for it going to probably whip for it even it's house matter. even though it's a house matter. so be high so the numbers will be high there of then you'll there and of course then you'll have saying, oh, they have people saying, oh, they only got 40 people voting only got 40 or 50 people voting for it. of course, while the rest are out campaigning in by elections because it's 50, it's a one line whip. brendan in which world he going to get which world is he going to get 40 voting against the 40 or 50 voting against the report? there'll be lot of report? there'll be a lot of abstentions._ 111: 7 there'll be a lot of abstentions. moving on quickly, oent— abstentions. moving on quickly, oent wow— abstentions. moving on quickly, aren't you-about- aren't you worried about srtttststng— aren't you worried about criticising privileged criticising the privileged committee _ criticising the privileged committee going committee because they're going to-own— committee because they're going to-own spestot- committee because they're going to own special report to do their own special report tmo— to do their own special report ttts—row- to do their own special report into—you could| to do their own special report. into—you could be into mps like you.7 you could be found— into mps like you.7 you could be found in— into mps like you? you could be found in contempt— into mps like you? you could be found in contempt of parliament, so you— found in contempt of parliament, so you better— found in contempt of parliament, so you better watch _ found in contempt of parliament, so you better watch what you say about— so you better watch what you say about uouuoo— so you better watch what you say about harriet harman and co . about harriet harman and co. won.— about harriet harman and co. won. ous— about harriet harman and co. won. this is— about harriet harman and co. well, this is the— about harriet harman and co. well, this is the whole- about harriet harman and co. well, this is the whole point, camilla. this is why you've had so publicly coming so few people publicly coming out and saying things really now actually going out and is actually going out and voting is different. people ,

different. a lot of people, including myself, actually waited that report to come waited for that report to come out before we commented on out first before we commented on it. let the committee do it. we let the committee do their but think some of theirjob. but i think some of theirjob. but i think some of the to backbenchers have the threats to backbenchers have been absolutely disgraceful. really job to really i mean, it's ourjob to scrutinise parliament. it's our to job speak up. there's no point as really being there in parliament if we're not allowed to do that. and i don't see why any or part the any committee or any part of the institution should be above that scrutiny. so yeah, i mean, in terms of the threats for that, i mean, as far as i'm concerned and i've waited, i've read the report, going to give my report, i'm going to give my speech i will say as speech and i will say as i please. and if people want to sanction so be sanction me for that, then so be it. and i will wear that as a badge of honour. brendan if you do get— badge of honour. brendan if you do get sanctioned,— badge of honour. brendan if you do get sanctioned, let- 33 ” brendan if you do get sanctioned, let us know onu— do get sanctioned, let us know out-hove— do get sanctioned, let us know out-hove you- do get sanctioned, let us know and have you back on gb and we can have you back on gb nous— and we can have you back on gb uouolotoouoo— and we can have you back on gb news-discuss-fate. - and we can have you back on gb news discuss fate. thank news to discuss your fate. thank you-mucu— news to discuss your fate. thank you-muchljoining- you very much for joining me on tus— you very much for joining me on this—lovely- you very much for joining me on ttts—lovou tol this sunday morning. lovely to spook— this sunday morning. lovely to spook-thank- this sunday morning. lovely to speak thank you. speak to you. thank you. camilla. now,— speak to you. thank you. camilla. now, if- speak to you. thank you. (if now, if you're thinking camilla. now, if you're thinking this to— camilla. now, if you're thinking this to o— camilla. now, if you're thinking this to o ou— camilla. now, if you're thinking this is a bit-a— camilla. now, if you're thinking this is a bit-a tory— c3 now, if you're thinking this is a bit a tory fest, this is a bit of a tory fest, tot-o— this is a bit of a tory fest, tot-o oo— this is a bit of a tory fest, let's be honest,- this is a bit of a tory fest, let's be honest, because let's be honest, it's because the— let's be honest, it's because too-to— let's be honest, it's because too-tomoro- let's be honest, it's because the-isltory fest.| the weekend is a tory fest. oto-vo— the weekend is a tory fest. we've-tories- the weekend is a tory fest. we've-tories in- the weekend is a tory fest. we've tories in all we've got the tories in all sorts— we've got the tories in all sous—which- we've got the tories in all sorts—which is. we've got the tories in all. sorts—which is why sorts of trouble, which is why tou— sorts of trouble, which is why we've had this— sorts of trouble, which is why we've had this succession of tory—are- we've had this succession of tory—are havingl

tory guests. we are having anas sarwar—ou- tory guests. we are having anas soruor—ou to- tory guests. we are having anasi sarwar—on to discuss sarwar from labour on to discuss soothi— sarwar from labour on to discuss scottish politics— sarwar from labour on to discuss scottish politics and indeed utooto— scottish politics and indeed nicola-let's- scottish politics and indeed. nicola-let's-robert moment. but let's join robert ouoktouo— moment. but let's join robert buckland now— moment. but let's join robert buckland now who's the tory mp for—hoo- buckland now who's the tory mp for—uo-o o- buckland now who's the tory mp| for—he's a former for south swindon. he's a former justice— for south swindon. he's a former justice-hom- for south swindon. he's a former justice hello robert. justice secretary. hello robert. uovoty— justice secretary. hello robert. loveivlsee— justice secretary. hello robert. lovely . see - last - justice secretary. hello robert.i lovely . see - last time lovely to see you. the last time i lovely to see you. the last time u-uoo— lovely to see you. the last time u-uoo singing- lovely to see you. the last time i-was singing god- lovely to see you. the last time i was singing god save i saw you was singing god save the king. — i saw you was singing god save the woo-tots- i saw you was singing god save the king. let's have a the king. but now let's have a chat— the king. but now let's have a chat about— the king. but now let's have a chat about something rather more serious-what— chat about something rather more serious-what is- chat about something rather more serious what is your serious because what is your reaction— serious because what is your reaction to— serious because what is your reaction to this— serious because what is your reaction to this extraordinary ttot— reaction to this extraordinary news that levi— reaction to this extraordinary news that levi bellfield i mean, lovi— news that levi bellfield i mean, levi bellfield— news that levi bellfield i mean, levi bellfield of— news that levi bellfield i mean, levi bellfield of all people, a souot— levi bellfield of all people, a serial killer— levi bellfield of all people, a serial killer of— levi bellfield of all people, a serial killer of young girls, is going— serial killer of young girls, is going to— serial killer of young girls, is now going to be— serial killer of young girls, is now going to be allowed to marry in prison.— now going to be allowed to marry in prison. robert— now going to be allowed to marry in prison. robert well, the wuoto— in prison. robert well, the utoto ting,— in prison. robert well, the whole thing, frankly , is whole thing, frankly, is macabre. this- whole thing, frankly, is macabre. " whole thing, frankly, is- macabre. this is a man who committed most heinous crimes, who has been , let's not forget, who has been, let's not forget, sentenced to a whole life tariff . that means a whole of his life imprisonment, being served behind bars. so the concept of this individual marrying somebody and having married life is, well, frankly, absurd , is, well, frankly, absurd, beafing is, well, frankly, absurd, bearing in mind where he is. he's in a high security prison where he belongs . and i think where he belongs. and i think there are real questions here

about the safety of the woman who says she wishes to marry this man . and indeed, the this man. and indeed, the absurdity of a position whereby somebody like this , one of about somebody like this, one of about 60 people kept in whole life tariffs are able to even contemplate getting married. the theatre of the absurd . camilla. theatre of the absurd. camilla. yes. let's just theatre of the absurd. camilla. yes. let'sjust remind theatre of the absurd. camilla. yes. let's just remind viewers onu— yes. let's just remind viewers out tuoooo— “in; let's just remind viewers and indeed listeners of belfields_ and indeed listeners of belfields appalling crimes. he's ouuouty— belfields appalling crimes. he's currently serving— belfields appalling crimes. he's currently serving two a whole uto— currently serving two a whole life sentence _ currently serving two a whole life sentence for— currently serving two a whole life sentence for the murders of milly— life sentence for the murders of titty ooutor— life sentence for the murders of milly dowler in— life sentence for the murders of milly dowler in 2002. marcia monouuou— milly dowler in 2002. marcia mcdonnell in— milly dowler in 2002. marcia mcdonnell in 2003, and emily de la mcdonnell in 2003, and emily de to orange— mcdonnell in 2003, and emily de to orange in— mcdonnell in 2003, and emily de la grange in 2004,— mcdonnell in 2003, and emily de la grange in 2004, as well as tho— la grange in 2004, as well as the attempted— la grange in 2004, as well as the attempted murder of kate sheedv— the attempted murder of kate stoooy tu— the attempted murder of kate stoooy in tho— the attempted murder of kate sheedy in the same year and what on outt— sheedy in the same year and what on earth cou— sheedy in the same year and what on earth oo— sheedy in the same year and what on earth can be done to stop this?— on earth can be done to stop this? .— on earth can be done to stop this? . otso— on earth can be done to stop this? i also read— on earth can be done to stop this? i also read robert , that this? i also read robert, that too— this? i also read robert, that he's received— this? i also read robert, that he's received 30— this? i also read robert, that he's received 30 grand in legal aid .— he's received 30 grand in legal aid . ano— he's received 30 grand in legal aid . out you— he's received 30 grand in legal aid . out you .— he's received 30 grand in legal aid . and yes, i mean , aid. and yes, i mean, astonishing. "mt; aid. and yes, i mean, astonishing. "cm; cc aid. and yes, i mean,— astonishing. there will be there will be times when, for example

, if a prisoner perhaps is they've got the date of their release wrong. they need some advice legal help as to get advice and legal help as to get that right. you know. okay but this of scenario, again, this sort of scenario, again, just beggars belief. it does appear at the moment that the law and the marriages act, which governs marriages , does allow governs marriages, does allow this. i don't think in all good faith that the people who passed the law 40 or so years ago, ever imagined that it would apply in circumstances like this quite rightly, the government is taking to action ban marriages and civil partnerships for prisoners on whole life tariffs. the law is before parliament now and it will have an effect on current sentence cases. so if the law can be passed as quickly as possible in the next few months, it may well apply in belfields case, i just wonder, camilla, whether this is an attempt by bellfield once again to be the centre of attention. this is an evil individual who

clearly likes exerting control , clearly likes exerting control, particularly on women and vulnerable people. and i just think this is just a continuation of a of a macabre display by this individual that is deeply unedifying and undermines his understandably pubuc undermines his understandably public confidence in the system. it's just a dreadful situation. so, robert , i just want to ask so, robert, i just want to ask you one more question about colin pitchfork. obviously, there-o— colin pitchfork. obviously, there's been— colin pitchfork. obviously, there's been a— colin pitchfork. obviously, there's been a lot- colin pitchfork. obviously, there's been a lot of- " 37�* f obviously, there's been a lot of reporting of him — there's been a lot of reporting of him onu— there's been a lot of reporting of him and now— there's been a lot of reporting of him and now this idea that too-o— of him and now this idea that too-o going— of him and now this idea that no-o going to— of him and now this idea that he's going to be— of him and now this idea that he's going to be released. do we tnink— he's going to be released. do we tnink tnot-o— he's going to be released. do we tnink tnot-o o— he's going to be released. do we think that's a good— he's going to be released. do we think that's a good idea? obviouoiy— think that's a good idea? obviously responsible for the noo— obviously responsible for the rope oni— obviously responsible for the rape and murder— obviously responsible for the rape and murder of two young women? pitch— rape and murder of two young women? pitch fork, should he be among— women? pitch fork, should he be among tno— women? pitch fork, should he be among the public?— women? pitch fork, should he be among the public? he's still a non— among the public? he's still a not to— among the public? he's still a not to no— among the public? he's still a risk to the public,— among the public? he's still a risk to the public, isn't he? not.— risk to the public, isn't he? vioii. i— risk to the public, isn't he? vioii. i inst— risk to the public, isn't he? well, i last time— risk to the public, isn't he? well, i last time he- risk to the public, isn't he? well, i last time he was- well, i last time he was released, i objected strongly and asked the parole board to reconsider. he was released. and guess what? within a couple of months, he was recalled to prison because he breached his licence conditions . and again , i licence conditions. and again, i am amazed that so shortly after that it's only about a year or

18 months. here he is being allowed to be released once again . you know, i am very much again. you know, i am very much on the side of the victims families and indeed the wider community, particularly in the leicestershire area , in having leicestershire area, in having grave concern about the release of a man who not just my murdered twice in horrific circum stances, but breached his licence conditions when he was given that chance only 18 months ago. i don't agree with this at all. sir robert buckland, thank you ion— all. sir robert buckland, thank you ion youn— all. sir robert buckland, thank you for your clarity— sir robert buckland, thank you for your clarity and candour on tnose— you for your clarity and candour on these issues.— you for your clarity and candour on these issues. lovely to speak to you— on these issues. lovely to speak to you tnio— on these issues. lovely to speak to you this morning . and now to you this morning. and now iiiio— to you this morning. and now ellie costello— to you this morning. and now ellie costello is— to you this morning. and now ellie costello is in leighton buzzard— ellie costello is in leighton buzzard .— ellie costello is in leighton buzzard . she's— ellie costello is in leighton buzzard . she's with the people's buzzard. she's with the people's nonet— buzzard. she's with the people's ionoi tnon— buzzard. she's with the people's ionoi tnono .— buzzard. she's with the people's panel there . ellie,— buzzard. she's with the people's panel there . ellie, i've spoken panel there. ellie, i've spoken to iiionooi— panel there. ellie, i've spoken to michael gove— panel there. ellie, i've spoken to michael gove .— panel there. ellie, i've spoken to michael gove . i've spoken to to michael gove. i've spoken to onio— to michael gove. i've spoken to david davis.— to michael gove. i've spoken to david davis. we've— to michael gove. i've spoken to david davis. we've done it all tnio— david davis. we've done it all tnio morning.— david davis. we've done it all this morning. what have the oonoiiiuo— this morning. what have the panellists made— this morning. what have the panellists made of my interviews this panellists made of my interviews tnio-i— panellists made of my interviews tnio-i iioii— panellists made of my interviews this-? well camilla,- panellists made of my interviews this ? well camilla, i this morning? well camilla, i must— this morning? well camilla, i must soy— this morning? well camilla, i must soy you-o— this morning? well camilla, i must say you've been on fire tnio— must say you've been on fire tnio morning— must say you've been on fire this morning with your questioning— this morning with your questioning . this morning with your questioning. this morning with your- questioning . the panel have this morning with your— questioning . the panel have very questioning. the panel have very much enjoyed today's programme. so let's get reaction on to them. michelle, what did you

make of the programme so far? what stood out to you? i mean, it's the investigation— what stood out to you? i mean, it's the investigation in- : 7 i mean, it's the investigation in the inviiogo— it's the investigation in the privilege committee when you've got-tno — privilege committee when you've got-tno nonn— privilege committee when you've got the main accusers now got one of the main accusers now being—ion— got one of the main accusers now being—ionionnl being investigated for his own nine-o— being investigated for his own union-pony,- wife's birthday party, oiiogoiiy— wife's birthday party, allegedly. so a breach of rules, wonnooo— allegedly. so a breach of rules, whereas impartiality whereas the impartiality in tnose— whereas the impartiality in these investigations in many otnon— these investigations in many otnon-tnot— these investigations in many other-that are- these investigations in many other that are involved in other mps that are involved in the other mps that are involved in in one— other mps that are involved in the same thing,— other mps that are involved in the same thing, but they've not noi— the same thing, but they've not not no— the same thing, but they've not not tne sonne— the same thing, but they've not had the same actions taken against— had the same actions taken against-oe— had the same actions taken against as boris. had the same actions taken- against-as boris. i mean. against them as boris. i mean. nut— against them as boris. i mean. nut envio— against them as boris. i mean. but david, david, david davis made point we all made a point that we were all talking about, is can they talking about, which is can they actually mean, actually be impartial? i mean, he describing westminster he was describing westminster as a each a village. they all know each other. is even possible? other. is it even possible? well, should they not have a neutnoi— well, should they not have a| neutral—does? neutral body then that does? ineee— neutral body then that does? these investigations not these investigations are not mps gig— these investigations are not mps mot-going— these investigations are not mps that-goinglfavour- these investigations are not mps that going favour one that are going to favour one eige— that are going to favour one side on— that are going to favour one side on over— that are going to favour one side or over the— that are going to favour one side or over the other . that are going to favour one side or over the other. you know,— side or over the other. you know, should— side or over the other. you know, should there not be a oonoieteiy— know, should there not be a completely neutral body that investigates— completely neutral body that investigates things ? investigates these things? okay.— investigates these things? oioy. vie-ne— investigates these things? okay. we're also- investigates these things? okay. we're also talking about resignation honours. weren't we round we were round the table? we were reacting what do we reacting to that. what do we make of resignation honours? it's just sham , really, isn't it's just a sham, really, isn't it? it's just a sham, really, isn't ite-enouii— it's just a sham, really, isn't it?-should stop- it's just a sham, really, isn't it? should stop these it? you should stop all these resignations— it? you should stop all these resignations honours. /:::. resignations. an honours. you ion-t— resignations. an honours. you oent-ne— resignations. an honours. you don't-we should- resignations. an honours. you don't-we should have. resignations. an honours. you don't we should have them don't think we should have them at should. but the at all? we should. but for the genenoi— at all? we should. but for the genenoi-ouiiio- general ordinary public that contribute— general ordinary public that contribute to— general ordinary public that contribute to their communities oni— contribute to their communities and tney— contribute to their communities and they should— contribute to their communities

and they should be thought of first — and they should be thought of first anu— and they should be thought of first. and pat,— and they should be thought of first. and pat, what- and they should be thought of first. and pat, what stood out to you from camilla's show this morning? well, it'sjust to you from camilla's show this morning? well, it's just the matter— morning? well, it's just the matter oi— morning? well, it's just the matter of the _ "q7 well, it's just the matter of the elections, matter of the by elections, all tneee— matter of the by elections, all these resignations come in, in i ite— these resignations come in, in i iiie to— these resignations come in, in i iiie to see— these resignations come in, in i like to see obviously, i'm an independent,— like to see obviously, i'm an independent, so— like to see obviously, i'm an independent, so i like to see an independent— independent, so i like to see an independent get— independent, so i like to see an independent get in— independent, so i like to see an independent get in in mid beds. ani— independent get in in mid beds. ani eonetn— independent get in in mid beds. and gareth mackey, you've got my support — and gareth mackey, you've got my support eut— and gareth mackey, you've got my support. but having— and gareth mackey, you've got my support. but having said that, i ion-t— support. but having said that, i don't believe— support. but having said that, i don't believe that— support. but having said that, i don't believe that sir keir sterner— don't believe that sir keir starmer has— don't believe that sir keir starmer has got the support he tninke— starmer has got the support he tninne ne— starmer has got the support he thinks he has— starmer has got the support he thinks he has nationally because 70 to— thinks he has nationally because 70 to emo— thinks he has nationally because 70 to see oi— thinks he has nationally because 70 to 80% of votes— thinks he has nationally because 70 to 80% of votes in the local eieotione— 70 to 80% of votes in the local elections didn't— 70 to 80% of votes in the local elections didn't come out to vote. — elections didn't come out to vote. so— elections didn't come out to vote. so oe— elections didn't come out to vote. so are they- elections didn't come out to vote. so are they going to stay at vote. so are they going to stay o nome— vote. so are they going to stay oo none unen— vote. so are they going to stay at home when these by elections toke— at home when these by elections tone oiooee— at home when these by elections take place? because everyone oo— take place? because everyone to te— take place? because everyone seems to be disenfranchised from oenoonooy— seems to be disenfranchised from democracy itself. _ seems to be disenfranchised from democracy itself. now, they've noo— democracy itself. now, they've noo enougn. — democracy itself. now, they've noo enougn. i— democracy itself. now, they've had enough. " democracy itself. now, they've had enough. i mean, james, let's bfing had enough. i mean, james, let's bring you in at that point, because michael gove was very confident that he said he was confident that he said he was confident in four confident in victory in all four of elections. he does of by elections. but he does have to say that really doesn't he? he does. he does. and we ueneeon-iien— he? he does. he does. and we were-earlier really- were talking earlier really oiouo— were talking earlier really about-that- were talking earlier really about-that thei were talking earlier really- about-that the point about the sense that the point you— about the sense that the point you just— about the sense that the point you gust-union- about the sense that the point you just-which is- about the sense that the point you just which is the you just made, which is the sense politically sense of being politically noneieee— sense of being politically homeless, think i sense of being politically- homeless,-think i would homeless, which i think i would describe—lots. homeless, which i think i would describe—lots as| describe myself as, and lots as you— describe myself as, and lots as you nee— describe myself as, and lots as you eoying— describe myself as, and lots as you were saying, pat, lots of peopte— you were saying, pat, lots of peopte-going- you were saying, pat, lots of.

oeooie-going-ouo people aren't going to turn out ieoouee— people aren't going to turn out because they're— people aren't going to turn out because they're well, because they're saying, well, ioioun — labour, conservative, lib dems, unooeven— labour, conservative, lib dems, unooeven ,— labour, conservative, lib dems, unooeven, oii— labour, conservative, lib dems, whatever , all the _ labour, conservative, lib dems, whatever , all the same, this whatever, all the same, this oi— whatever, all the same, this sense of democracy being slowly, eioniy— sense of democracy being slowly, slowly whittled _ sense of democracy being slowly, slowly whittled away . and one slowly whittled away. and one interesting— slowly whittled away. and one interesting point, i think for me— interesting point, i think for ne—nion- interesting point, i think for me _with with| me that came up with with onenoon-e— me that came up with with brendan's point— me that came up with with brendan's point just now is he eoio— brendan's point just now is he eoioluoe— brendan's point just now is he eoioluoe-oi— brendan's point just now is he said .was-of the - brendan's point just now is he said was of the few mps said he was one of the few mps uno— said he was one of the few mps uno-ooouoiiy— said he was one of the few mps who actually willing who was actually willing to ouiiioiy— who was actually willing to ouiiioiy-ne— who was actually willing to publicly-he was- who was actually willing to publicly he was kind of publicly say he was kind of booking— publicly say he was kind of backing boris.— publicly say he was kind of backing boris. of people backing boris. lots of people guietiy— backing boris. lots of people guieoiyloney— backing boris. lots of people quietly, they don't want to quietly, but they don't want to say quietly, but they don't want to eoy-ieoouee — quietly, but they don't want to say - because it's - quietly, but they don't want to say because it's going to say things because it's going to ofieoo—oo- say things because it's going to affect—to affect- affect their career, to affect onen— affect their career, to affect their standing.— affect their career, to affect their standing. kind of their standing. that kind of oning. — their standing. that kind of oning. -o- their standing. that kind of hing-o eon- their standing. that kind of thing.-a sort of. their standing. that kind of. thing. _a sort of for thing. so there's a sort of for nee— thing. so there's a sort of for ne-e tini— thing. so there's a sort of for me, he's kind of— thing. so there's a sort of for me, he's kind of opened a bit of a me, he's kind of opened a bit of o-oi— me, he's kind of opened a bit of o-oi nonme— me, he's kind of opened a bit of o-oi on— me, he's kind of opened a bit of a-of worms on this- me, he's kind of opened a bit of a of worms on this whole a can of worms on this whole ioeo— a can of worms on this whole ioeo-oon— a can of worms on this whole ioeo-oon you- a can of worms on this whole ioeo-oon you eoy- a can of worms on this whole idea can you say in idea of what can you say in ouiiio— idea of what can you say in public freedom _ idea of what can you say in public freedom of speech, which is public freedom of speech, which ie-ieooning— public freedom of speech, which ie-ieooning o— public freedom of speech, which is-becoming a big- public freedom of speech, which is becoming a big deal, is now becoming a big deal, a big— is now becoming a big deal, a big oeoi— is now becoming a big deal, a big oeoi. — is now becoming a big deal, a big oeoi. so— is now becoming a big deal, a big deal. so do— is now becoming a big deal, a big deal . cit» is now becoming a big deal, a big deal . i:i:::i is now becoming a big deal, a big deal . cit» e. is now becoming a big deal, a big deal . i:i:::i e. big deal. so do you look up to brendan in that sense that he has been one of the few to come out and speak so publicly? well, the in the sense well, in in the in the sense not— well, in in the in the sense moo-teen— well, in in the in the sense that-been-to. well, in in the in the sense. that-been-to sort that he's been willing to sort of that he's been willing to sort oi-nie— that he's been willing to sort oi-nie neoo— that he's been willing to sort of-his head over- that he's been willing to sort of his head over the of put his head over the oorooet—il of put his head over the parapet,-i so. parapet, you know, i think so. out— parapet, you know, i think so. nut-onio— parapet, you know, i think so. but-this broader- parapet, you know, i think so. but this broader sort of but there's this broader sort of noo— but there's this broader sort of not just— but there's this broader sort of issue, not just mps, but i think the issue, not just mps, but i think one-genenoiiy- the public generally, social neiio— the public generally, social media, conversations in media, tv conversations in guine— media, tv conversations in ouiiio, unoo— media, tv conversations in public, what can you not say? you— public, what can you not say? you know— public, what can you not say? you know what— public, what can you not say? you know what is— public, what can you not say? you know what is allowed to be eoio— you know what is allowed to be eoio oo— you know what is allowed to be eoio oo onio— you know what is allowed to be said at this kind— you know what is allowed to be said at this kind of— you know what is allowed to be said at this kind of thing? can you— said at this kind of thing? can you soy,— said at this kind of thing? can you eoy i— said at this kind of thing? can you eoy, i euooon— said at this kind of thing? can

you say, i support this without being—oil being piled upon that kind of oninge — being piled upon that kind of oninge -oieo- being piled upon that kind of thing? _also been. being piled upon that kind of. thing? _also been talking thing? we've also been talking about bellfield about levi bellfield this morning. got married in morning. he's got married in prison, £30,000 of taxpayers money. what are your reactions to that? well i think it's shocking. you know, he was ioiieo— shocking. you know, he was ioiieo fon— shocking. you know, he was jailed for heinous- f q you know, he was jailed for heinous crimes. he enouion-o— jailed for heinous crimes. he shouldn't have— jailed for heinous crimes. he shouldn't have £30,000 of public money— shouldn't have £30,000 of public money spent— shouldn't have £30,000 of public money spent to— shouldn't have £30,000 of public money spent to enable him to noon— money spent to enable him to nony oni— money spent to enable him to nony ono oo— money spent to enable him to marry and do what he likes. if nee— marry and do what he likes. if he's ever released— marry and do what he likes. if he's ever released from prison. nut— he's ever released from prison. nut-onenes- he's ever released from prison. but-prisoners be- he's ever released from prison. but prisoners be entitled but should prisoners be entitled to but should prisoners be entitled oo-oox— but should prisoners be entitled oo-oox ooyene— but should prisoners be entitled to tax payers money? but to this tax payers money? but unen— to this tax payers money? but unen oney-ve— to this tax payers money? but when they've committed terrible you — when they've committed terrible crimes, you know,— when they've committed terrible crimes, you know, it's shocking. ite— crimes, you know, it's shocking. to neoiiy— crimes, you know, it's shocking. it's really shocking— crimes, you know, it's shocking. it's really shocking . it's really shocking. pat, what do you— it's really shocking. pat, what do you make of that? because there will be some people out there will be some people out there who think we live in a civilised society. prisoners still have rights. what you still have rights. what do you say that ? i still have rights. what do you say that? ijust still have rights. what do you say that ? i just think the say to that? i just think the justice— say to that? i just think the justice system— 37 i just think the justice system doesn't serve its purpose— justice system doesn't serve its purpose-one— justice system doesn't serve its purpose the residents of the purpose for the residents of the unoie — purpose for the residents of the unoie country— purpose for the residents of the unoie oounony .— purpose for the residents of the whole country . i— purpose for the residents of the whole country . i feel sick to whole country. i feel sick to one— whole country. i feel sick to one oeeon— whole country. i feel sick to the teeth actually, that we've got people — the teeth actually, that we've got people onoo— the teeth actually, that we've got people that do these heinous oni— got people that do these heinous one we— got people that do these heinous crimes and we tend to look after onen — crimes and we tend to look after onen none— crimes and we tend to look after them more than— crimes and we tend to look after them more than we— crimes and we tend to look after them more than we do the victims and them more than we do the victims one one— them more than we do the victims and the families— them more than we do the victims and the families that are left ienino. — and the families that are left ienino. anu— and the families that are left behind. ' i: and the families that are left behind. i: and the families that are left behind. 3: 03 behind. and james, just 10s with you. do think about you. what do you think about this case? yeah absolutely

this case? yeah, absolutely appalling-— this case? yeah, absolutely appalling-agree. this case? yeah, absolutely. appalling. _agree with appalling. i think i agree with pat appalling. i think i agree with not-tnon— appalling. i think i agree with pat-that. you— appalling. i think i agree with pat that. you know, this this pat on that. you know, this this is eeoooo— pat on that. you know, this this is £30,000 that— pat on that. you know, this this is £30,000 that could be spent on eoneoning— is £30,000 that could be spent on something else, not on levi neiiiieio— bellfield getting married. you know,— bellfield getting married. you know, absolutely insane know, insane. absolutely insane . eon.— know, insane. absolutely insane . eon-of— know, insane. absolutely insane . yeah-of thoughts,- know, insane. absolutely insane . yeah-of thoughts, lots. . yeah. lots of thoughts, lots of around this coffee of opinions around this coffee table camilla thank you table today. camilla thank you so much for having us on the people's to you. people's panel. back to you. ali, so much. you've ali, thank you so much. you've had a old chin ali, thank you so much. you've had a-old chin wag- ali, thank you so much. you've had a-old chin wag there.| g 33.33 you've helooks old chin wag there. g 33.33 you've helooks like)ld chin wag there. g 33.i33 you've helooks like you'vei wag there. g 33.3.3 you've helooks like you've had] there. g “33 you've helooks like you've had a:here. g “j.3 you've helooks like you've had a great it looks like you've had a great nonning—ano- it looks like you've had a great morning._and if- morning. thank you. and if you wont— morning. thank you. and if you nonoloooiy— morning. thank you. and if you wonoloooiy ion— morning. thank you. and if you want-apply for the- morning. thank you. and if you want apply for the people's want to apply for the people's nonet— want to apply for the people's ionei in— want to apply for the people's panel in future,— want to apply for the people's panel in future, folks, please do panel in future, folks, pleasei oo—ionnono do go to gbnews.com forward eioen— do go to gbnews.com forward noon-non,— do go to gbnews.com forward slash now, naturally , slash panel. now, naturally, goo— slash panel. now, naturally, we've got lots— slash panel. now, naturally, we've got lots more to come on one— we've got lots more to come on one-in— we've got lots more to come on one-inno— we've got lots more to come on the-in-a minute,- we've got lots more to come on the-in-a minute, i'mi the show in just a minute, i'm going— the show in just a minute, i'm goinglbe_ the show in just a minute, i'm goinglie-one- going to be quizzing the sooooien— going to be quizzing the. scottish _anas scottish labour leader anas sonnon— scottish labour leader anasi sonnon—gneen sarwar about labour's green ogenio— sarwar about labour's green ogenoolie— sarwar about labour's green agenda.-be back- sarwar about labour's green agenda. be back very soon. agenda. i'll be back very soon. eon-o— agenda. i'll be back very soon. don't-anywhere—

news. channel welcome back to the news. channel— welcome back to the camilla ioniney— welcome back to the camilla tominey show. _ welcome back to the camilla tominey show. you; ”it; ignite 3; tominey show. we're just getting ready to speak to anas sarwar, the scottish labour mp . snp msp the scottish labour mp. snp msp for glasgow rather, but he's the scottish labour leader and he's going to talk us through all things snp as well as labour in scotland. but first of all i'm joined portillo, joined by michael portillo, former defence secretary and gb news with former defence secretary and gb nefrom with former defence secretary and gb nefrom michael with former defence secretary and gb nefrom michael hall. with former defence secretary and gb nefrom michael hall. before us from 11. michael hall. before i ask you what you've got on the show, do you think's for show, what do you think's for next scotland? there's some intriguing sunday intriguing polling in the sunday times that by end times suggesting that by the end of decade, the labour party of the decade, the labour party could have 26 seats in scotland in westminster? yes i mean, that is, as it were, a modern day shock. of course, labour used to ooninooe— shock. of course, labour used to dominate scotland _ shock. of course, labour used to dominate scotland at— dominate scotland at westminster, but recently they nove— westminster, but recently they nove noo— westminster, but recently they have not done— westminster, but recently they have not done so.— westminster, but recently they have not done so. they've only got— have not done so. they've only goo—oney- have not done so. they've only goo—oney oouiol have not done so. they've onlyi goo—oney oouio go got one seat and they could go to

got one seat and they could go oo-aooonoing— got one seat and they could go to .according to— got one seat and they could go to according to this to 26. according to this opinion poin— to 26. according to this opinion noii-oouio— to 26. according to this opinion poll.-could-more- to 26. according to this opinion poll. could more seats poll. they could have more seats at westminster— poll. they could have more seats at westminster snp does at westminster than the snp does and at westminster than the snp does ono-uouio— at westminster than the snp does and would obviously be an and this would obviously be an enormous assistance in getting a noionioy— enormous assistance in getting a noionioy in— enormous assistance in getting a noionioy in one— enormous assistance in getting a majority in the westminster noniioneno. — majority in the westminster parliament. so— majority in the westminster parliament. so this is extraordinary news. anas sarwar is o— extraordinary news. anas sarwar is o veny— extraordinary news. anas sarwar is a very interesting person to inoenien— is a very interesting person to intenien on— is a very interesting person to interview on this— is a very interesting person to interview on this because of course he was part of the labour wine—out.— course he was part of the labour wipe—out. ne— course he was part of the labour wipe—out. ue-oo- course he was part of the labour wipe—out. he-to be- course he was part of the labour wipe—out. he to be a member wipe—out. he used to be a member of wipe—out. he used to be a member oi ioniioneno— wipe—out. he used to be a member of parliament westminster. of parliament at westminster. he too— of parliament at westminster. he toot—zen,— of parliament at westminster. he tog—sse, oe- of parliament at westminster. he lost—2015, as you - lost his seat in 2015, as you nignoiy— lost his seat in 2015, as you nignoiy eoy. — lost his seat in 2015, as you rightly sav- he— lost his seat in 2015, as you rightly say. he is- lost his seat in 2015, as you rightly say. he is now in the sooooien— rightly say. he is now in the scottish parliament and leader of scottish parliament and leader oi ine— scottish parliament and leader of the labour— scottish parliament and leader of the labour party in the sooiiien— of the labour party in the scottish parliament and he's had his scottish parliament and he's had no oniiioe— scottish parliament and he's had his critics along— scottish parliament and he's had his critics along the way. not noi— his critics along the way. not noi ioo— his critics along the way. not noi ioo nony— his critics along the way. not not too many people have thought that not too many people have thought no nee— not too many people have thought no ne-e nooe— not too many people have thought that he's made much of an inoneeeion— that he's made much of an impression, but— that he's made much of an impression, but he's suddenly in this impression, but he's suddenly in one ooeiiion— impression, but he's suddenly in this position where he may be nioing— this position where he may be nioing on— this position where he may be nioing on ine— this position where he may be riding on the crest of a wave oni— riding on the crest of a wave ono-oiien— riding on the crest of a wave and often opinion polls and very often opinion polls iuei— and very often opinion polls iuei ieii— and very often opinion polls iuei ieii ue— and very often opinion polls just tell us what— and very often opinion polls just tell us what people are ininiing— just tell us what people are thinking now.— just tell us what people are thinking now. they don't tell us oioui—io- thinking now. they don't tell usi oioui—io-oi about what's going to happen at the-election,— about what's going to happen at the-election,-veryl the next election, but it's very nono— the next election, but it's very none-suin— the next election, but it's very hard-snp, isn't- the next election, but it's very hard-snp, isn't it,- hard for the snp, isn't it, ieoouee— hard for the snp, isn't it, because modern police investigations just drag on ioneen— investigations just drag on i. i— investigations just drag on forever. i mean, if this thing, onio— forever. i mean, if this thing, this investigation into the snp oouio— this investigation into the snp oouio ie— this investigation into the snp could be done— this investigation into the snp could be done and dusted, that nouio— could be done and dusted, that uouio ie— could be done and dusted, that uouio ie oe— could be done and dusted, that would be one thing. you'd think neu— would be one thing. you'd think ueii iney—

would be one thing. you'd think neii iney nigni— would be one thing. you'd think well they might have 18 months to well they might have 18 months io-iui— well they might have 18 months io-iui onio— well they might have 18 months to-but this case- well they might have 18 months to-but this case is- to recover, but this case is going— to recover, but this case is going io— to recover, but this case is going to ie— to recover, but this case is going to be sort- to recover, but this case is going to be sort of gaining momentum . if— going to be sort of gaining momentum . if anything, the momentum. if anything, as the genenoi— momentum. if anything, as the general election— momentum. if anything, as the general election approaches, oiinougn— general election approaches, oiinougn ii— general election approaches, although it was— general election approaches, although it was quite a good week—newe- although it was quite a good. week—news, wasn't week to bury bad news, wasn't in — week to bury bad news, wasn't in i— week to bury bad news, wasn't in i neon— week to bury bad news, wasn't it? i mean, at— week to bury bad news, wasn't it? i mean, at one- week to bury bad news, wasn't it? i mean, at one point i think the bbc was running boris the bbc was running on boris johnson, the very moment that nicola sturgeon had been taken in questioning. in for police questioning. i thought that's an thought, well, that's an interesting apportioning of the news agreed . but on the news agenda. agreed. but on the one— news agenda. agreed. but on the one nono— news agenda. agreed. but on the one nono, i— news agenda. agreed. but on the other hand, i don't— g: agreed. but on the other hand, i don't think you onon—o- other hand, i don't think you can _ and aware . other hand, i don't think youi can—and aware of can be scottish and aware of sooiiien— can be scottish and aware of scottish politics— can be scottish and aware of scottish politics be scottish politics and not be onion-suin- scottish politics and not be aware-snp is- scottish politics and not be aware snp is being aware that the snp is being investigated— aware that the snp is being investigated and that its top oiiioioie— investigated and that its top officials have— investigated and that its top officials have been arrested and not officials have been arrested and noi onongeo— officials have been arrested and not charged with— officials have been arrested and not charged with anything. but onene— not charged with anything. but inene nove— not charged with anything. but there have been— not charged with anything. but there have been arrested and onene— there have been arrested and inene ie— there have been arrested and inene is o— there have been arrested and there is a question of a lot of money— there is a question of a lot of money onion— there is a question of a lot of money which the _ there is a question of a lot of money which the police want to know— money which the police want to know oioui. — money which the police want to know about. now— money which the police want to know about. nizu�* wig money which the police want to know about. you 33 know about. now enough about scottish have you scottish politics. what have you got coming the show at 11? got coming on the show at 11? well for example, we're looking at the question of what it was like to be in military. like to be gay in the military. a report has been delivered to the government,— a report has been delivered to the government, but not yet outiieieoi— the government, but not yet published, which talks about the inouno— published, which talks about the inouno inoi— published, which talks about the trauma that many— published, which talks about the trauma that many people went innougn— trauma that many people went through because— trauma that many people went through because they were in the niiiiony— through because they were in the niiiionyline— through because they were in the military-the time— through because they were in the military the time when was

military at the time when it was b...gd,_ military at the time when it was ionneo, wnion— military at the time when it was banned, which was— military at the time when it was banned, which was not all that iong— banned, which was not all that iong ogo— banned, which was not all that iong ogo. i-we— banned, which was not all that iong ogo. i-we goi— banned, which was not all that long ago. i've got a couple of weienone—io- long ago. i've got a couple ofi veterans—to talk veterans coming along to talk oioui— veterans coming along to talk about experiences as we're about their experiences as we're going— about their experiences as we're going-noting— about their experiences as we're going-iooiing oi- about their experiences as we're going looking at the sort going to be looking at the sort of literature _ going to be looking at the sort of literature that— going to be looking at the sort of literature that comes out of women— of literature that comes out of northern ireland.— of literature that comes out of northern ireland. i mean, that's an northern ireland. i mean, that's on—ieooueel an interesting place because noiiiioe—o- an interesting place because ooiiiioe—o wenyl an interesting place because. politics—a very high politics plays such a very high pari— politics plays such a very high ion in— politics plays such a very high non in ie— politics plays such a very high part in its life,— politics plays such a very high part in its life, and it does . part in its life, and it does. ite— part in its life, and it does. it's produced— part in its life, and it does. it's produced people like cs iewie— it's produced people like cs iewie oni— it's produced people like cs lewis and louis— it's produced people like cs lewis and louis macneice and seonu— lewis and louis macneice and seonu neoney— lewis and louis macneice and seamus heaney and we're going to be seamus heaney and we're going to ie towing— seamus heaney and we're going to ie ioiiing io— seamus heaney and we're going to be talking to modern writers inon — be talking to modern writers from northern— be talking to modern writers from northern ireland as well . from northern ireland as well. we-ne— from northern ireland as well. we-ne going— from northern ireland as well. we-ne going io— from northern ireland as well. we're going to have some ieouiiiui— we're going to have some beautiful cakes on the show iowonoe— beautiful cakes on the show iowonoe ine — beautiful cakes on the show towards the end _ beautiful cakes on the show towards the end . : 7 towards the end. should i stay? neon— towards the end. should i stay? neon you— towards the end. should i stay? yeah, you definitely— towards the end. : 7 yeah, you definitely should . yeah, you definitely should. siioe— yeah, you definitely should. siioe io— yeah, you definitely should. siioe is going— yeah, you definitely should. slice is going to— yeah, you definitely should. slice is going to be- yeah, you definitely should. slice is going to be handed out . and oddly enough, we're also ioiiing— . and oddly enough, we're also ioiiing oioui— and oddly enough, we're also talking about there's a bill in ooniioneni— talking about there's a bill in parliament to— talking about there's a bill in parliament to stop big game nuniene— parliament to stop big game. hunters—trophies, hunters bringing their trophies, winging— hunters bringing their trophies, winging inein— hunters bringing their trophies, bringing their heads back to onio— bringing their heads back to one-nui— bringing their heads back to this-but many- bringing their heads back to this-but many in this country. but many people in ainioo— this country. but many people in ainioo one— this country. but many people in africa are saying— this country. but many people in africa are saying this is going to none— africa are saying this is going to make things— africa are saying this is going to make things worse . the to make things worse. the oooonene— to make things worse. the poachers-going- to make things worse. the poachers going to to make things worse. the- poachers-going to-more poachers are going to kill more oninoie— poachers are going to kill more animals illegally— poachers are going to kill more animals illegally the animals illegally because the nuniing— animals illegally because the hunting business, this sustains the conservation— hunting business, this sustains the conservation of animals. inieneeiing— the conservation of animals. interesting point. 333 3g interesting point. fascinating oiuii— interesting point. fascinating stuff to come then. stay tuned . stuff to come then. stay tuned. and michael portillo will be with at 11. now, i'm hoping with you at 11. now, i'm hoping we now have anas sarwar scottish

labour leader msp for glasgow joining us down the line from scotland and mr zahawi , lovely scotland and mr zahawi, lovely to speak to you. first of all, i know that labour's announcing the green prosperity plan in scotland this week . i'm confused scotland this week. i'm confused about this because obviously we've seen shadow chancellor rachel reeves sort of suggest that this 28 billion that had been set aside per year for this project had been watered down. so what's the deal? you've got a green prosperity plan without the planned funding . well, i'm the planned funding. well, i'm happy to give you— : �*ji: 3g well, i'm happy to give you clarification oni— happy to give you clarification and reassure— happy to give you clarification and reassure you,— happy to give you clarification and reassure you, camilla. so you— and reassure you, camilla. so you ione— and reassure you, camilla. so you iowe youn— and reassure you, camilla. so you take your confusion away. we are you take your confusion away. we neoiiy— you take your confusion away. we are really clear— you take your confusion away. we are really clear that— you take your confusion away. we are really clear that we have a oiinoie— are really clear that we have a climate emergency, but also a con— climate emergency, but also a ooei oi— climate emergency, but also a ooei oi iiwing— climate emergency, but also a cost of living crisis. and ioioun— cost of living crisis. and ioioun ie— cost of living crisis. and labour is going to take the einoiegio— labour is going to take the strategic decisions to actually neoiiee— strategic decisions to actually neoiiee oni— strategic decisions to actually realise and maximise the green newoiuiion— realise and maximise the green newoiuiion .— realise and maximise the green revolution . and— realise and maximise the green revolution . and that's partly revolution. and that's partly oouo— revolution. and that's partly around establishing the great iniiien— around establishing the great nniiien enengy— around establishing the great british energy company that's going— british energy company that's going io— british energy company that's going to note— british energy company that's going to make those strategic inweeinenie— going to make those strategic investments across not just the nonin—eoei— investments across not just the north—east where _ investments across not just the north—east where we have a eigniiiooni— north—east where we have a significant oil— north—east where we have a significant oil and gas sector, nui— significant oil and gas sector, iui oieo— significant oil and gas sector, iui oieo in— significant oil and gas sector, but also in communities across the but also in communities across one county — but also in communities across one county so— but also in communities across the country. so communities can ieneiii— the country. so communities can

ieneiii inon — the country. so communities can benefit from the— the country. so communities can benefit from the green revolution.— benefit from the green revolution. but it's going to be booked— revolution. but it's going to be booked up— revolution. but it's going to be nooweo up ny— revolution. but it's going to be nooweo up by o— revolution. but it's going to be backed up by a uk treasury inoi-e— backed up by a uk treasury that's there— backed up by a uk treasury that's there to— backed up by a uk treasury that's there to help make those einoiegio— that's there to help make those strategic investments. so what we-ne—ie- we're not talking about is getting— we're not talking about is getting nio— we're not talking about is getting rid of— we're not talking about is getting rid of the green noeoeniiy— getting rid of the green prosperity plan. what we're doing— prosperity plan. what we're doing-sensible- prosperity plan. what we're doing sensible with the doing is being sensible with the economy, recognising the economic situation we currently nove— economic situation we currently none-noi— economic situation we currently have, .that we're _ economic situation we currently have, that we're likely have, one that we're likely to innenii— have, one that we're likely to innenii ono— have, one that we're likely to inherit and making sure have inherit and making sure we have a_deliverable- inherit and making sure we have a_deliverable and. a plan that's deliverable and pion— a plan that's deliverable and oion ie— a plan that's deliverable and our plan is going to be driven by our plan is going to be driven inf—the- our plan is going to be driven iy—ine iineil by four objectives. the first one .more jobs. - by four objectives. the first one more jobs. so lower one is more jobs. so lower iiiie— one is more jobs. so lower bills. third,— one is more jobs. so lower bills. third, greater energy eeouniiy— bills. third, greater energy security and _ bills. third, greater energy security and fourth, kind of ieooenenin— security and fourth, kind of leadership that— security and fourth, kind of leadership that is going to be a gioioi— leadership that is going to be a gioioi ieooen— leadership that is going to be a global leader on— leadership that is going to be a global leader on this. we want not— global leader on this. we want no gioioi— global leader on this. we want that global leader to be sooiiono.— that global leader to be scotland. in— that global leader to be scotland. in the uk, we're einuggiing— scotland. in the uk, we're struggling slightly with the iine— struggling slightly with the line - hopefully . line here, but hopefully you can neon— line here, but hopefully you can neon- — line here, but hopefully you can neon- in— line here, but hopefully you can. hear- i'm-confused. hear me now. i'm also confused. maybe it's just morning of maybe it's just a morning of confusion camilla but confusion for camilla here, but starmer is on one hand said that he doesn't want any more drilling in the north sea, and yet he that he won't stop yet he said that he won't stop rosebank , which is new drilling rosebank, which is new drilling in the north sea . so which is in the north sea. so which is it? does he want new drilling or doesn't he new drilling ? so doesn't he want new drilling? so we haven't said that we're going to turn off the tap. we've said

the to turn off the tap. we've said one opposite.— to turn off the tap. we've said the opposite. and— to turn off the tap. we've said the opposite. and i— we've said the opposite. and i think it's now— the opposite. and i think it's really important— the opposite. and i think it's really important that give really important that we give inoi— really important that we give noi—ono- that reassurance and clarification. will that reassurance and- clarification.-will be no clarification. there will be no iunning— clarification. there will be no iunning oii— clarification. there will be no turning off of— clarification. there will be no turning off of the tap . there turning off of the tap. there wiii— turning off of the tap. there wiii ie— turning off of the tap. there wiii ie no— turning off of the tap. there will be no cliff— turning off of the tap. there will be no cliff edge. oil and gas— will be no cliff edge. oil and goe wiii— will be no cliff edge. oil and goe wiii oioy— will be no cliff edge. oil and goe wiii oioy o— will be no cliff edge. oil and gas will play a significant role in—ion- gas will play a significant role. in _for decades in our energy sector for decades to oe— in our energy sector for decades to we-ne— in our energy sector for decades to come. we're talking about how we-in— to come. we're talking about how we-in partnership- to come. we're talking about how we in partnership to we work in partnership to oeiiwen— we work in partnership to deliver strategic deliver those strategic investments- deliver those strategic- investments - confidence investments, to give confidence to investments, to give confidence io-inoueiny— investments, to give confidence io-inoueiny ,— investments, to give confidence io-inoueiny , io— investments, to give confidence to industry , to invest, and to the industry, to invest, and for to the industry, to invest, and ion ue— to the industry, to invest, and ion ue io— to the industry, to invest, and for us to make— to the industry, to invest, and for us to make sure we're noxinieing— for us to make sure we're maximising green revolution. maximising the green revolution. but maximising the green revolution. nouo-oi— maximising the green revolution. but-of-reassurance,i but as part of that reassurance, we-ne—goingi we're really clear we are going to we're really clear we are going io-oii— we're really clear we are going to-all existing- to respect all existing iioenoee— to respect all existing licences. we- to respect all existing licences. we will respect and nonou— licences. we will respect and nonou oii— licences. we will respect and honour all new— licences. we will respect and honour all new licences that may be gnonieo— honour all new licences that may be granted between now and the neo— be granted between now and the nexi genenoi— be granted between now and the next general election because it's next general election because iie inoonioni— next general election because it's important that those businesses— it's important that those businesses have the clarity in noting— businesses have the clarity in noting inoee— businesses have the clarity in making those investment decisions— making those investment decisions over— making those investment decisions over the shorter term. nui— decisions over the shorter term. iui oieo— decisions over the shorter term. but also because— decisions over the shorter term. but also because we don't want to open— but also because we don't want to open up— but also because we don't want to open up ine— but also because we don't want to open up the government to any wini— to open up the government to any kind oi— to open up the government to any kind oi oioine— to open up the government to any kind of claims for— to open up the government to any kind of claims for compensation. so, kind of claims for compensation. so, eo— kind of claims for compensation. so, so ion-i— kind of claims for compensation. so, so oon-i-ony— so, so don't see any contradiction in that at all. wet.— contradiction in that at all. wet coon— contradiction in that at all. well, coast dumas- contradiction in that at all. well, coast dumas said- contradiction in that at all. well, coast dumas said that you're not going give any new you're not going to give any new licences and you're licences is and now you're indicating are. so indicating that you are. so that's a contradiction. no, it's not, we are that's a contradiction. no, it's not,-we are going- that's a contradiction. no, it's not,-we are going toi not, because we are going to nonou— not, because we are going to honour existing— not, because we are going to honour existing licences , we are honour existing licences, we are going— honour existing licences, we are

going io— honour existing licences, we are going to nonou— honour existing licences, we are going to honour any new licences inoi— going to honour any new licences no one— going to honour any new licences that are issued— going to honour any new licences that are issued between now and the that are issued between now and one nexi— that are issued between now and the next general— that are issued between now and the next general election in and:— the next general election in one-oe— the next general election in ono-one-ol the next general election in. and,-are-a place and, but we are not in a place of and, but we are not in a place oi iooiing— and, but we are not in a place oi iooiing oi— and, but we are not in a place of looking at new— and, but we are not in a place of looking at new licences ieyono— of looking at new licences ieyono ine— of looking at new licences beyond the next general eieoiion. — beyond the next general election. 3 election. that's a perfectly consistent and reasonable position take. so you're position to take. so you're going io— position to take. so you're going to give— position to take. so you're going to give until- i::i3 so you're going to give until 2024 then j:3 so you're going to give until 2024 then no new ones . there's— going to give until 2024 then no new ones . there's a new ones. there's a contradiction as well . mr new ones. there's a— contradiction as well . mr sarwar contradiction as well. mr sarwar sonny,— contradiction as well. mr sarwar sonny: in— contradiction as well. mr sarwar sonny, in youn— contradiction as well. mr sarwar sorry, in your suggestion about tone:— sorry, in your suggestion about ions sonny:— sorry, in your suggestion about ions eonny, iuei— sorry, in your suggestion about jobs, sorry, just on— sorry, in your suggestion about jobs, sorry, just on this job suggestion— jobs, sorry, just on this job suggestion, because the unions , suggestion, because the unions, wnion— suggestion, because the unions, wnion we— suggestion, because the unions, wnion we know— suggestion, because the unions, which we know back the labour party— which we know back the labour party ,— which we know back the labour ioniy : we— which we know back the labour nony , we nove— which we know back the labour party , we have warned that these party, we have warned that these pione— party, we have warned that these nione io— party, we have warned that these oione io noi— party, we have warned that these plans to not issue— party, we have warned that these plans to not issue new licences onen— plans to not issue new licences oiien zozi— plans to not issue new licences after 2024 are _ plans to not issue new licences after 2024 are going to cost eoooo— after 2024 are going to cost ooooo tone.— after 2024 are going to cost 45,000 jobs. well, i think what the 45,000 jobs. well, i think what one unions— 45,000 jobs. well, i think what the unions are— 45,000 jobs. well, i think what the unions are rightly concerned oioui— the unions are rightly concerned oioui ono— the unions are rightly concerned about and what— the unions are rightly concerned about and what industry is nigniiy— about and what industry is nigniiy ie— about and what industry is rightly be concerned about is to say rightly be concerned about is to soy inoi— rightly be concerned about is to soy inoi w-wee— rightly be concerned about is to say that we've had— rightly be concerned about is to say that we've had all these nonieee— say that we've had all these promises before— say that we've had all these promises before over the last decode:— promises before over the last oeoooe: nui— promises before over the last decade, but those promises nowen-i— decade, but those promises haven't come— decade, but those promises haven't come to— decade, but those promises haven't come to fruition. ' 3i: haven't come to fruition. and noi-o— haven't come to fruition. and noi-o wnoi— haven't come to fruition. and noi-o no i— haven't come to fruition. and that's what i think is really important to emphasise camilla. we aren't in government. we aren't making those decisions over we aren't over the last decade. we aren't making decisions over the making those decisions over the next . but hope after the next year. but i hope after the next year. but i hope after the next general election we are

making decisions . and what making those decisions. and what we want to indicate is when we are decisions, are making those decisions, we will just have the rhetoric will not just have the rhetoric and talk a game of and talk a good game of maximising green revolution, and talk a good game of ma)actually green revolution, and talk a good game of ma)actually greiin revolution, and talk a good game of ma)actually greiin practise on, but actually deliver in practise working partnership working in partnership with industry . working in partnership with industry. because working in partnership with industry . because government industry. because government can't this alone. we need the can't do this alone. we need the industry to us industry to work with to us deliver those strategic investments and maximise . yeah. investments and maximise. yeah. mr sarwar we are yeah. mr sarwar we are struggling. unfortunately— mr sarwar we are struggling. unfortunately with the lie, and i unfortunately with the lie, and i wo— unfortunately with the lie, and i going— unfortunately with the lie, and iwoe going io— unfortunately with the lie, and i was going to ask you for your neooiion— i was going to ask you for your neooiion io— i was going to ask you for your reaction to nicola— i was going to ask you for your reaction to nicola sturgeon's oennei— reaction to nicola sturgeon's oneei ii— reaction to nicola sturgeon's oeei ii you— reaction to nicola sturgeon's arrest, if you can— reaction to nicola sturgeon's arrest, if you can still hear nne-we— arrest, if you can still hear me, we are struggling a me, but we are struggling a tinie— me, but we are struggling a little-quick— me, but we are struggling a little quick reaction to little bit. quick reaction to wiooio— little bit. quick reaction toi nicola—look little bit. quick reaction to. nicola—look , nicola sturgeon. well, look, youe— nicola sturgeon. well, look, you goi— nicola sturgeon. well, look, you goi o— nicola sturgeon. well, look, you've got a party now in neiioown— you've got a party now in meltdown and— you've got a party now in meltdown and we've got a dysfunctional— meltdown and we've got a dysfunctional and incompetent swi— dysfunctional and incompetent snp government— dysfunctional and incompetent snp government and that's why oeonie— snp government and that's why people us— snp government and that's why people us woni— snp government and that's why people us want change the people us want change across the un — people us want change across the un nui— people us want change across the un iui iney— people us want change across the uk. but they also— people us want change across the uk. but they also want- people us want change across the uk. but they also want change here in scotland and scottish labour only change on labour is now the only change on offer. all you very offer. all right, thank you very muon— offer. all right, thank you very nuon—ioining- offer. all right, thank you very much _joining me. offer. all right, thank you veryi much _joining me this much indeed for joining me this nonning:— much indeed for joining me this nonin:g— - much indeed for joining me this- morning,-. .pleasure. morning, mr sarwar. my pleasure. thank you. thank— morning, mr sarwar. my pleasure. thank you. thank you. _ morning, mr sarwar. mg "3: thank you. we've got thank you. thank you. we've got a thank you. thank you. we've got o gneoi— thank you. thank you. we've got a great generation— thank you. thank you. we've got a great generation gap- 33

announced yesterday for the king's birthday,— announced yesterday for the king's birthday, i'm going to be owing:— king's birthday, i'm going to be owing-ii— king's birthday, i'm going to be asking,.it time— king's birthday, i'm going to be asking,.it time to— king's birthday, i'm going to be asking, it time to scrap the asking, is it time to scrap the nonou— asking, is it time to scrap the honour system— asking, is it time to scrap the honour system altogether here? sioy—

wake up two mornings on gb news the people's channel. britain's news . channel— the people's channel. britain's news . channel welcome- 3 britain's news . channel welcome back to news. channel welcome back to the news. channel welcome back to one coniiio— news. channel welcome back to the camilla tominey show. \o3ou the camilla tominey show. now it's the camilla tominey show. now its tine— the camilla tominey show. now its time ion— the camilla tominey show. now it's time for the— the camilla tominey show. now it's time for the general gap, the part of the show where people from different generations debate hot political topics. week. should we topics. this week. should we scrap the honours system? the honours system has been in the news a lot recently, of course,

because johnson's picks because of boris johnson's picks for resignation offers, for his resignation offers, which ruffled a few feathers . which ruffled a few feathers. and yesterday a number of new knights dames were announced knights and dames were announced to the king's to celebrate the king's birthday, again , a few birthday, including again, a few controversial picks . but does it controversial picks. but does it make sense to have an honours system in 21st century? to system in the 21st century? to discuss this, i'm joined by imarn ayton anti racism campaigner and ralph rafe heydel—mankoo gb news, resident royal expert and historian and he's editor. this is perfect of burke's world of orders and knighthood and merit and burke's world of world orders of knighthood and merit. ralph you're just too qualified for this gen gap . it's unreal. now this gen gap. it's unreal. now let's get straight into it. should we have the honours system , eamonn? no, not even in system, eamonn? no, not even in the system, eamonn? no, not even in one eiignieei. — system, eamonn? no, not even in the slightest. firstly,— system, eamonn? no, not even in the slightest. firstly, it's- 3; 37 no, not even in the slightest. firstly, it's an opponuniiy— the slightest. firstly, it's an opportunity for_ the slightest. firstly, it's an opportunity for the monarchy to oeeeni— opportunity for the monarchy to oeeeni iie— opportunity for the monarchy to assert its dominance. secondly it assert its dominance. secondly ii neinionee— assert its dominance. secondly it reinforces hierarchy and ioeeee— it reinforces hierarchy and ioeeee in— it reinforces hierarchy and classes in which ultimately inieiiee— classes in which ultimately trickles down _ classes in which ultimately trickles down into society . trickles down into society. oiinougn— trickles down into society. although lower— trickles down into society. although lower class- trickles down into society. although lower class people do get indeed people of get honours and indeed people of colour that the colour do. but we know that the ooioiyei— colour do. but we know that the ooioiyei-in— colour do. but we know that the catalyst-in terms— colour do. but we know that the catalyst-in terms of- catalyst and in terms of teen— catalyst and in terms of classism, starts at catalyst and in terms of classism,.starts at root, classism, it starts at the root, wnien—onol classism, it starts at the root,i which—and the

which is the monarchy and the con— which is the monarchy and the crown-course- which is the monarchy and the crown-course it- which is the monarchy and the crown-course it is- which is the monarchy and the crown course it is an crown and of course it is an oeiene— crown and of course it is an obscene display— crown and of course it is an obscene display of privilege and oowen— obscene display of privilege and oowen-ioei— obscene display of privilege and power-last-not- obscene display of privilege and power last not least, power. and last but not least, it power. and last but not least, ii neoneeenie— power. and last but not least, it represents empire and it represents the empire and engine—oin- it represents the empire and. empire—aim rather it represents the empire and- empire_aim rather was empire that whose aim rather was to dominoe— empire that whose aim rather was to dominate, subjugate , oppress to dominate, subjugate, oppress and to dominate, subjugate, oppress ono exnioii. — to dominate, subjugate, oppress ono exoioii. so— to dominate, subjugate, oppress and exploit. so that is why i do not and exploit. so that is why i do noi giving— and exploit. so that is why i do noi giwing on— and exploit. so that is why i do not giving an honour to mrs. iiiggine:— not giving an honour to mrs. iiiggine: ine— not giving an honour to mrs. miggins, the dinner lady who's eeneo— miggins, the dinner lady who's served children— miggins, the dinner lady who's served children at a school for 35 served children at a school for es ye — served children at a school for es ye iie— served children at a school for 35 years. c 3g 35 years. it's somehow propping up slavery and the empire. no, it resonates for you because you subscribe the british empire subscribe to the british empire and monarchy. i'm an and the monarchy. i'm an anti—royalist_ and the monarchy. i'm an anti—royalist ,— and the monarchy. i'm an anti—royalist , so- 33i: 3 i'm an anti—royalist , so therefore anti—royalist, so therefore the wnoie —io - anti—royalist, so therefore the wnoie—io-i-ni anti—royalist, so therefore the. whole _to - i'm not whole thing needs to go. i'm not a whole thing needs to go. i'm not o-i-n— whole thing needs to go. i'm not o-i-n just— whole thing needs to go. i'm not o-i-n tuei o— whole thing needs to go. i'm not a-i'm just a royalist.l a royalist. i'm just a royalist. okay, need get a royalist. i'm just a royalist. okoof need get a royalist. i'm just a royalist. okoof it need get a royalist. i'm just a royalist. okoof it all. let'sieed get a royalist. i'm just a royalist. okoof it all. let'sjust get a royalist. i'm just a royalist. okoof it all. let's just first et rid of it all. let's just first put— rid of it all. let's just first oui oe— rid of it all. let's just first put one issue— rid of it all. let's just first put one issue to- 3 i: g let's just first put one issue to bed here, and note— put one issue to bed here, and note ine— put one issue to bed here, and that's the order— put one issue to bed here, and that's the order of— put one issue to bed here, and that's the order of the british inoine. — that's the order of the british inoie ine— that's the order of the british empire. the clue— that's the order of the british empire. the clue is in name. empire. the clue is in the name. ie— empire. the clue is in the name. it's-exclusively— empire. the clue is in the name. it's exclusively british it's not exclusively a british nonou— it's not exclusively a british honour. commonwealth honour. it's a commonwealth nonou— honour. it's a commonwealth honour—otherl honour conferred by 11 other ouiiee— countries, apart from britain, all—non—whitel countries, apart from britain, all—non—white . all of whom are non—white. ioignie— all of whom are non—white. nignie nigni— all of whom are non—white. right? right. so— all of whom are non—white. right? right. so the majority of the right? right. so the majority of one-one— right? right. so the majority of the - are black - right? right. so the majority of the are black majority the countries are black majority coniiieon— the countries are black majority enioee-.— the countries are black majority caribbean -. so - the countries are black majority caribbean-. so if- caribbean nations. so if the coniiieon— caribbean nations. so if the caribbean nations. so if the caribbean nations antigua and caribbean nations of antigua and the caribbean nations of antigua and one—oeie- caribbean nations of antigua and the—belize and- caribbean nations of antigua and. the—belize and saint the bahamas and belize and saint wine— the bahamas and belize and saint wine ono— the bahamas and belize and saint kitts and nevis— the bahamas and belize and saint kitts and nevis in— the bahamas and belize and saint kitts and nevis in saint lucia nove— kitts and nevis in saint lucia nowe no— kitts and nevis in saint lucia have no problem— kitts and nevis in saint lucia have no problem conferring have no problem still conferring the have no problem still conferring one-ine— have no problem still conferring the _the british - have no problem still conferring the the british empire, the order of the british empire, i the order of the british empire, i ion-i— the order of the british empire, i oon-i-we— the order of the british empire, i don't-we here- the order of the british empire, i don't we here should i don't see why we here should neei— i don't see why we here should neei-gei— i don't see why we here should neeolgei oun— i don't see why we here should need get our undergarments need to get our undergarments in a need to get our undergarments in o iwiei— need to get our undergarments in o iwiei oe— need to get our undergarments in a twist over the— need to get our undergarments in a twist over the subject more woody:— a twist over the subject more broadly,-country-

a twist over the subject more broadly, country the broadly, every country in the wont:— broadly, every country in the world,-exception. broadly, every country in the world, exception of world, with the exception of switzerland,— world, with the exception of switzerland, has an honours eyeien — switzerland, has an honours eyeien -ine- switzerland, has an honours system _the goldi system. we have the gold eionoono— system. we have the gold eionoono .— system. we have the gold standard . ours- system. we have the gold standard . ours is the standard. ours is the rolls—royce- standard. ours is the rolls—royce corniche because of the rolls—royce corniche because of one oniiguiiy— rolls—royce corniche because of one oniiguiiy oi— rolls—royce corniche because of the antiquity of our— rolls—royce corniche because of the antiquity of our honours, it inne— the antiquity of our honours, it iinte peopte— the antiquity of our honours, it links people today who receive an links people today who receive on-wiin— links people today who receive an _with churchill,- links people today who receive an with churchill, with an honour with churchill, with iionenee— an honour with churchill, with florence nightingale, with sir ieooe— florence nightingale, with sir ieooe-ono— florence nightingale, with sir isaac-and of- florence nightingale, with sir isaac and of course we isaac newton and of course we nove— isaac newton and of course we nowe weny— isaac newton and of course we nowe weny iew— isaac newton and of course we have very few honours. we grant oeee— have very few honours. we grant eooo nooue— have very few honours. we grant 3000 honours a— have very few honours. we grant 3000 honours a year, which is a pony—e,- 3000 honours a year, which is al ooiiny—io: eoy: paltry number compared to, say, the paltry number compared to, say, one—one— paltry number compared to, say, one—one given- paltry number compared to, say, the—are given in. the 20,000 that are given in now— the 20,000 that are given in iioiy :— the 20,000 that are given in iioiy : none:— the 20,000 that are given in italy , france, legion italy, france, the legion o-uonneun.— italy, france, the legion. d'honneur.-more d'honneur. there are more ooniennoie— d'honneur. there are more conferrals of— d'honneur. there are more conferrals of that than all of- our orders combined. so because of our orders combined. so because oi-noniiy— our orders combined. so because oi-noniiy oi— our orders combined. so because oi-noniiy oi ii:— our orders combined. so because of-rarity of it, we— our orders combined. so because of rarity of it, we don't of the rarity of it, we don't oeiuoiiy— of the rarity of it, we don't ooiuoiiy-un— of the rarity of it, we don't- actually - up. allocation. actually use up the allocation. we actually use up the allocation. we nove— actually use up the allocation. we nowe eweny— actually use up the allocation. we have every year because we won— we have every year because we wonilnoie— we have every year because we wonilnoie eue— we have every year because we want make sure that the right want to make sure that the right peopte—ine- people get them and the noioniiy. — people get them and the. majority. _finish majority. let me just finish inie— majority. let me just finish. inie—noioniiy this point. sorry. the majority of this point. sorry. the majority of_go— this point. sorry. the majority oi-go io— this point. sorry. the majority oi-go io ine- this point. sorry. the majority of go to the unsung of awards go to the unsung neoee— of awards go to the unsung neoee oi— of awards go to the unsung heroes of britain, people who none—oi- heroes of britain, people whoi none—oi inie make up the backbone of this eouniny— make up the backbone of this country volunteering country through volunteering ononiiy— charity work and community iniiioiiwee— charity work and community initiatives-a— charity work and community initiatives. a chance to initiatives. it's a chance to oeieinoie— initiatives. it's a chance to celebrate _ by. celebrate them. and by celebrating— celebrate them. and by celebrating them, give them that nonou— celebrating them, give them that nonoun-noi— celebrating them, give them that honour that recognition they honour and that recognition they wouion-i— honour and that recognition they wouion-i gei— honour and that recognition they wouldn't get otherwise. and ineoine— wouldn't get otherwise. and ineoine-i-n- wouldn't get otherwise. and inspire-i'm goingl wouldn't get otherwise. andi inspire-i'm going to inspire us. and i'm going to bfing inspire us. and i'm going to bring i'm going bring you back in, but i'm going to to ralph, okay, you've to say to ralph, okay, you've made that point, but look made that point, but let's look at some people that have at some of the people that have been in recent days. been honoured in recent days. we've mallett shaun we've got ben mallett and shaun bailey. ben been filmed

bailey. ben mallet's been filmed today mirror a today by the sunday mirror at a lockdown at hq in honour lockdown party at hq in honour of shaun bailey, who wasn't actually there. but fair enough, we've also got, for instance, mark thompson , the former mark thompson, the former director bbc , who director general of the bbc, who said shouldn't be an said there shouldn't be an investigation jemmy savile. said there shouldn't be an invnwow.ition jemmy savile. said there shouldn't be an invnwow. we've jemmy savile. said there shouldn't be an invnwow. we've gotemmy savile. said there shouldn't be an invnwow. we've got alton savile. said there shouldn't be an invnwow. we've got alton towers oh wow. we've got alton towers boss nick varney, who told the victims of that crash where they lost their legs, this crash has cost this firm a lot of money. that gets even worse. we've got charlotte owen being ennobled. this somebody who served, we this is somebody who served, we think, as an executive assistant to boris johnson a matter of to boris johnson for a matter of months now at 29in the house of lords. i think that's absolutely indefensible. it's important we oieo— indefensible. it's important we also understand— indefensible. it's important we also understand what- : it's important we also understand what we're ioiiing— also understand what we're talking about— also understand what we're talking about because viewers can-confused— talking about because viewers can-confused .— talking about because viewers can confused . we have the can get confused. we have the nine— can get confused. we have the prime controversial prime minister's controversial neeignoiion— prime minister's controversial resignation-list. - prime minister's controversial resignation list. would resignation honours list. would you resignation honours list. would v0u_?_ resignation honours list. would you—e wnien- resignation honours list. wouldi you_? which iwould you scrap them? which i would oieoiuieiy— you scrap them? which i would absolutely reviewed absolutely have that reviewed ono— absolutely have that reviewed one-ono— absolutely have that reviewed ono-ono ii— absolutely have that reviewed and-and if need- absolutely have that reviewed and and if need be and amended and if need be oioiieneo:— and amended and if need be abolished,-see- and amended and if need be abolished, see why we abolished, i don't see why we eon-i— abolished, i don't see why we cont-o— abolished, i don't see why we can't-a scrutiny.- abolished, i don't see why we can't a scrutiny. committee can't have a scrutiny. committee review-ministerial- review prime ministerial resignations— review prime ministerial resignations honours resignations, honours in the eone-inoi— resignations, honours in the same that honours resignations, honours in the- same .that-honours are same way that other honours are owned— same way that other honours are owonoeo noon— same way that other honours are awarded both in— same way that other honours are awarded both in 2004. sir hayden iniiiioe— awarded both in 2004. sir hayden iniiiioe oii— awarded both in 2004. sir hayden iniiiioe on o— awarded both in 2004. sir hayden phillips did a major review of the phillips did a major review of one nooue— phillips did a major review of the honours system. so our main

nooue— the honours system. so our main nooue eyeien— the honours system. so our main honours system has— the honours system. so our main honours system has independent oonniiieee— honours system has independent committees with— honours system has independent committees with majority of committees with the majority of independent— committees with the majority of independent people them, independent people on them, enoineo— chaired by independent leaders of chaired by independent leaders oeeenoei-:— chaired by independent leaders of science, health, of business, science, health, eoueoiion:— of business, science, health, education, volunteerism and that is education, volunteerism and that ie oun— education, volunteerism and that is our rolls—royce— education, volunteerism and that is our rolls—royce corniche. the neeignoiion— is our rolls—royce corniche. the resignation honours— is our rolls—royce corniche. the resignation honours system is ny— resignation honours system is run by convention and unfortunately in today's politicians— unfortunately in today's politicians don't abide by the same gentlemanly rules as we can see same gentlemanly rules as we can wiin— same gentlemanly rules as we can see with cabinet— same gentlemanly rules as we can see with cabinet ministers never neeigning— see with cabinet ministers never neeigning wnen— see with cabinet ministers never resigning when they and resigning when they should. and i resigning when they should. and i-inene— resigning when they should. and i-therelactually- resigning when they should. and i _there i actually an - i think there is actually an onguneni— i think there is actually an argument made, certainly argument to be made, certainly for resignation honours to be noted— for resignation honours to be iooieo—so- for resignation honours to bei looked—so some looked at. all right. so some common ground— looked at. all right. so some common ground man. common ground there, man. i inni— common ground there, man. i think ioe— common ground there, man. i think rafe makes— common ground there, man. i think rafe makes a— common ground there, man. i think rafe makes a good- common ground there, man. i think rafe makes a good point about the fact that vast about the fact that the vast majority appear on majority of people who appear on the honours list and i look at it, sent me when the it, it gets sent to me when the investitures come out and i see all people have done all of these people have done lots different it's lots of different things. it's largely which largely a tool with which you can reward for giving can reward people for giving their as volunteers of their time as volunteers of members of charities , of people members of charities, of people who genuinely have served their communities not get paid communities might not get paid a lot it, but lot of money for it, but actually are recognised by having letters after their name. i appreciate everything you've iuei— i appreciate everything you've iuei-ieeouee— i appreciate everything you've just because again, you just said because again, you euieeniie— just said because again, you subscribe to— just said because again, you subscribe to an— just said because again, you subscribe to an extent to the nononeny— subscribe to an extent to the nononeny .— subscribe to an extent to the monarchy . firstly, just to touch monarchy. firstly, just to touch on-noini— monarchy. firstly, just to touch on-noini inoi—

monarchy. firstly, just to touch on-point that-in| on the point that you made in ienne— on the point that you made in terms commonwealth. well terms of the commonwealth. well iei-e— terms of the commonwealth. well eie—ine— let's just be clear. the commonwealth is perpetuation commonwealth is a perpetuation of commonwealth is a perpetuation oi—iiie- commonwealth is a perpetuation oi—iiie i- of the british empire. like i eon:— of the british empire. like i eoiilennine— of the british empire. like i said, empire had the said, an empire that had the ogenoo— said, an empire that had the ogenoo :— said, an empire that had the ogenoo : eoui— said, an empire that had the agenda , soul agenda of agenda, soul agenda of dominating— agenda, soul agenda of dominating ,- agenda, soul agenda of dominating , subjecting people dominating, subjecting people and dominating, subjecting people ono in— dominating, subjecting people one in youn— dominating, subjecting people and in your view,— dominating, subjecting people and in your view, right, right. no:— and in your view, right, right. no: iie— and in your view, right, right. no: in iuei— and in your view, right, right. no, it's just based on history. woo— no, it's just based on history. no neoiiy.— no, it's just based on history. not really. it's— no, it's just based on history. not really. it's not your nieiony.— not really. it's not your nieiony. iie— not really. it's not your history. it's a- not really. it's not your history. it's a continuation. woun— history. it's a continuation. voun onun.— history. it's a continuation. your truth,-but- history. it's a continuation. your truth,-but noti your truth, perhaps, but not most people's truth. a second. hold a most people's truth. a second. hold-a second.— most people's truth. a second. hold-a second. so- most people's truth. a second. hold-a second. so i- a second. hold a second. so i would hold on a second. so i would ongue— hold on a second. so i would ongue-in— hold on a second. so i would ongue-in-oi- hold on a second. so i would argue-in-of the. argue that in terms of the commonwealth, argue that in terms of the. commonwealth,-you argue that in terms of the- commonwealth,-you spoke commonwealth, because you spoke about—this- about that in terms of this conversation, _ conversation, it's really important— conversation, it's really important make conversation, it's really- important-make this note important to just make this note lbeueve— important to just make this note .ibelieve that— important to just make this note .ibelieve that the— . i believe that the commonwealth a . i believe that the— commonwealthla regressive commonwealth is a regressive manoeuvre that is disguised as progress. — manoeuvre that is disguised as progress. _fi- manoeuvre that is disguised as progress. -n is- manoeuvre that is disguised as progress.-it is an- progress. i believe it is an exploitative— progress. i believe it is an exploitative venture disguised as_beneficial- as a mutually beneficial exchange. — as a mutually beneficial exchange. it's exchange. and like i said, it's the—of- exchange. and like i said, it'si the—of-british the continuation of the british empire. — empire. but ultimately the golden— empire. but ultimately the. golden—is golden thread, like i said, is the— golden thread, like i said, is the-able— golden thread, like i said, is the-ablelassert- the being able to assert dominance— the being able to assert dominance ,— the being able to assert dominance , right.7 so being able dominance, right.7 so being able to assert— dominance, right.7 so being able to assert dominance. 20 to assert dominance. so what do you think black people who you think the black people who have accepted honours, should they done it.7 i they not have done it.7 i personally have. like personally would not have. like i personally would not have. like u-but— personally would not have. like i-but what— personally would not have. like i-but what-you- i said, no. but what do you think? lots black people and think? lots of black people and people— think? lots of black people and peopte-colour— think? lots of black people and people-colour accept- “

so what do you say to so what what do you say to antigua— so what what do you say to antigua barbuda and barbados antigua and barbuda and barbados lnelllulel— antigua and barbuda and barbados instituted their— antigua and barbuda and barbados instituted their own knighthoods conferred — instituted their own knighthoods conferred ny— instituted their own knighthoods conferred by the _ instituted their own knighthoods conferred by the king of antigua and enrolle— conferred by the king of antigua and barbuda before the queen of nornoloc— and barbuda before the queen of barbados when— and barbuda before the queen of barbados when she was queen? so rnece— barbados when she was queen? so rnece ore— barbados when she was queen? so these are black— barbados when she was queen? so these are black countries lncrlrnrlng— these are black countries instituting their own indigenous nonoune— instituting their own indigenous honours knighthoods honours with knighthoods that cone-rnelr— honours with knighthoods that come .their crown - honours with knighthoods that come their crown from the come from their crown from the nonrcn— come from their crown from the monarch—monarchl come from their crown from the monarch—monarch a monarch because the monarch is a oollrlcol— monarch because the monarch is a political,-honorum - monarch because the monarch is a political,-honorum ,- monarch because the monarch is a political, honorum , the political, the fons honorum, the counc— political, the fons honorum, the noun or— political, the fons honorum, the fount of.honour_ political, the fons honorum, the fount of.honour is- political, the fons honorum, the fount of honour is removed fount of all honour is removed from— fount of all honour is removed from me— fount of all honour is removed from the political— fount of all honour is removed from the political framework. neoe— from the political framework. remove of remove from the controversy of none— remove from the controversy of boris johnson's— remove from the controversy of boris johnson's list and is able to boris johnson's list and is able ro ocrnolly— boris johnson's list and is able to actually represent the noncn. — to actually represent the nation. thanking you for a job well— nation. thanking you for a job well clone.— nation. thanking you for a job well done. and— nation. thanking you for a job well done. and i— nation. thanking you for a job well done. and i think it's because— well done. and i think it's| because—british because you've the british empire— because you've the britishi empire _decided, empire rather has decided, well, concern— empire rather has decided, well, nrlroln—rnor- empire rather has decided, well, britain _that they. britain has decided that they are britain has decided that they rne— britain has decided that they are the arbiters_ britain has decided that they are the arbiters of equality and nonon— are the arbiters of equality and nonon-onl— are the arbiters of equality and human and therefore human rights, and therefore they can human rights, and therefore they con—ano- human rights, and therefore theyi con—nnn on can bestow this honour. and on all-types— can bestow this honour. and on all-types or— can bestow this honour. and on all types of people, all different types of people, including black, those black people subjugated, people that they subjugated, oppressed exploited over 400 oppressed and exploited over 400 years ago continue to what about a wasn't so ? that is a system that wasn't so? that is the irony. we can talk about the fact is fact that the commonwealth is involved, talk involved, but let's just talk about surveys. i know you're a facts i'll give a quick facts man. i'll give you a quick fact. national survey , sorry, fact. national uk survey, sorry, the equality survey the uk national equality survey rather stated that of black rather stated that 49% of black caribbeans, 35% of black

africans and 61% of black other , including black british, have all experienced racial assaults, which the gypsy and which supersedes the gypsy and traveller. that's that's traveller. okay, that's that's what the newspapers a few what in the newspapers a few weeks ago. i'm out of weeks ago. i'm running out of time. more quick response nato is these institutions is basically these institutions are ultimately exploiting really quickly . five seconds. this is quickly. five seconds. this is why it'll be lovely— quickly. five seconds. this is why it'll be lovely to- 2 rtcg 22 this is why it'll be lovely to have a llccnoclon— why it'll be lovely to have a discussion where _ why it'll be lovely to have a discussion where race isn't enoenornel— discussion where race isn't shoehorned into everything we know— shoehorned into everything we now know from _ shoehorned into everything we now know from survey after survey,— now know from survey after my, rne— now know from survey after survey, the world's three top nonone— survey, the world's three top nations awaab_ survey, the world's three top nations awaab ishak white. sorry. — nations awaab ishak white. sorry. apologies. - nations awaab ishak white. apologies. apologies sorry. apologies. apologies rnonl— sorry. apologies. apologies thankv0u_ sorry. apologies. apologies rnonl you for— sorry. apologies. apologies thank you for joining sorry. apologies. apologies thank you forjoining me sorry. apologies. apologies thank you for joining me today. i'll be back at 930. stay tuned for michael portillo .