gb news on tv online welcome to gb news on tv online and— welcome to gb news on tv online and on— welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital— welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio.— welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua— and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and— and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for— and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the— and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours me and— akua and for the next few hours me and my— akua and for the next few hours me and my panel— akua and for the next few hours me and my panel will be taking on some of the— me and my panel will be taking on some of the big— me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting— on some of the big topics hitting the— on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this— hitting the headlines right now. iiiis show— hitting the headlines right now. ihis show is— hitting the headlines right now. this show is all— hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. ii-s— this show is all about opinion. ii-s hhi— this show is all about opinion. ii-s ii-s— this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course,-we'll- it's mine, it's theirs. and of course,-we'll bei course, it's yours. we'll be iehaiihg,— course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing , course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at him— debating, discussing, and at iihestiii— debating, discussing, and at times-will-butl debating, discussing, and at. times-will-but no times we will disagree. but no wiii— times we will disagree. but no wiii he— times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining— one will be cancelled. so joining he— one will be cancelled. so joining me for— one will be cancelled. so joining me for the next hour going— joining me for the next hour going-head- joining me for the next hour going-head h- joining me for the next hour going head is gb news going head to head is gb news senior political— going head to head is gb news senior political commentator higei— senior political commentator higei heisih— senior political commentator nigel nelson and also member of him— nigel nelson and also member of reormi omi— nigel nelson and also member of reform and former— nigel nelson and also member of reform and former mep ben habib. ire-ii— reform and former mep ben habib. ire-ii he— reform and former mep ben habib. ire-ii he going— reform and former mep ben habib. we'll be going head to head in a couple— we'll be going head to head in a eouhie oi— we'll be going head to head in a couple of moments— we'll be going head to head in a couple of moments time, but then ioimime— couple of moments time, but then joining me— couple of moments time, but then joining me or— couple of moments time, but then joining me at between 4 to 6, oieo— joining me at between 4 to 6, oieo omi— joining me at between 4 to 6, also and broadcast christine homiirom— also and broadcast christine hamilton and— also and broadcast christine hamilton and also broadcaster omi— hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist— hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. but heroe— and journalist danny kelly. but before ori— and journalist danny kelly. but before all that,— and journalist danny kelly. but before all that, let's get your ioreer— before all that, let's get your ioreer mews— before all that, let's get your latest news headlines . very good latest news headlines. very good oiiemoom— latest news headlines. very good oiiemoom ro— latest news headlines. very good afternoon to you. _ latest news headlines. very good afternoon to you. c 15 mi afternoon to you. it's 3:00. i'm aaron armstrong and the gb newsroom. the met police says it's aware of new footage

showing conservative staff partying during lockdown and joking about covid restrictions and is considering it. michael gove, the levelling up secretary, has apologised for the unacceptable behaviour in the unacceptable behaviour in the footage obtained by the mirror. tory staff can be heard joking about it and ignoring social distancing rules that were imposed by the government at the height of the pandemic. two of the 24 people at the christmas party were named in bofis christmas party were named in boris johnson's resignation honours list, mr gove told us disciplinary action has already been taken . the reason why those been taken. the reason why those steps were taken was to reduce the spread of the disease in order to make sure that the pressures on the nhs were manageable , in order to make manageable, in order to make sure that we could treat people who were very ill. so again, the oeriom— who were very ill. so again, the whims here— who were very ill. so again, the actions here are— who were very ill. so again, the actions here are deeply- actions here are deeply distressing— actions here are deeply distressing and i can only ohoiogiee— distressing and i can only ohoiogiee ro— distressing and i can only apologise to people that individuals— apologise to people that individuals behaved in this way. my individuals behaved in this way. my understanding is that there was an investigation into the

party— was an investigation into the perry whem— was an investigation into the perry when he— was an investigation into the party when the photograph emerged— party when the photograph emerged and— party when the photograph emerged and people were disciplined— emerged and people were disciplined . _ emerged and people were disciplined . ji�*iiiilew�*“ emerged and people were disciplined. emerged and people were- disciplined . meanwhile, mps will disciplined. meanwhile, mps will debate any possible punishment for boris johnson tomorrow after he was found to have misled parliament over partygate. the privileges committee has recommended the former prime minister should face a 90 day suspension had he not already resigned in advance of his judgement. it's understood his supporters are being encouraged to abstain from the vote . but to abstain from the vote. but former brexit secretary david davis told camilla tominey he will support the committee, saying its findings are clear. one of the things about parliament— one of the things about parliament is- one of the things about parliament is it's the highest eorm— parliament is it's the highest eorm im— parliament is it's the highest eorm in he— parliament is it's the highest court in the land— parliament is it's the highest court in the land that creates a prohiem — court in the land that creates a prohiem whem— court in the land that creates a problem when you're coming to miwiiegee— problem when you're coming to privileges. what's— problem when you're coming to privileges. what's that problem? it's privileges. what's that problem? we iihe— privileges. what's that problem? it's like having— privileges. what's that problem? it's like having-in- it's like having a trial in a where.— it's like having a trial in a village. - knows. | village. everybody knows. iwewhoiw— village. everybody knows. everybody knows . dodi is everybody knows. dodi is emrireiw— everybody knows. dodi is entirely unbias. i::::i everybody knows. dodi is- entirely unbias. but how do they know his own mind at the time? they don't have to. what they mow— they don't have to. what they know is— they don't have to. what they know is what— they don't have to. what they know is what he— they don't have to. what they know is what he knows. if you if you— know is what he knows. if you if you 90— know is what he knows. if you if you go ro— know is what he knows. if you if you go o o— know is what he knows. if you if you go o o poww— know is what he knows. if you if you go to a party, you know it o horro— you go to a party, you know it o perry you— you go to a party, you know it was a party you don't need an advisor— was a party you don't need an oiwieor ro— was a party you don't need an advisor to tell— was a party you don't need an advisor to tell you— was a party you don't need an advisor to tell you . \r f advisor to tell you. nicola srwrgeom— advisor to tell you. nicola sturgeon has maintained she's

innocent of any wrongdoing after being questioned by police investigating snp finances last weekend. scotland's former first minister spoke as she returned home for the first time since being arrested and released without charge . you know , i without charge. you know, i can't say very much just now . can't say very much just now. what i will say is reiterate the erorememr— what i will say is reiterate the statement issued _ what i will say is reiterate the statement issued last sunday. am eerroim— statement issued last sunday. am eerroim rheo— statement issued last sunday. am certain that have— statement issued last sunday. am certain that have done nothing wrong— certain that have done nothing wrong omi— certain that have done nothing wrong and intend— certain that have done nothing wrong and intend to be back in roriiomemr— wrong and intend to be back in parliament in— wrong and intend to be back in parliament in the— wrong and intend to be back in parliament in the early part of the parliament in the early part of he weeh. — parliament in the early part of he weeh. iii— parliament in the early part of the week. i'll make myself ovoiiohie— the week. i'll make myself available for— the week. i'll make myself available for questions then. oiwioweiw— available for questions then. obviously within the constraints rhor— obviously within the constraints her i— obviously within the constraints her r em — obviously within the constraints that i am referring to right ror— that i am referring to right now. for now,— that i am referring to right now. for now, i— that i am referring to right now. for now, i intend to go home,— now. for now, i intend to go home, eoreh— now. for now, i intend to go home, catch up— now. for now, i intend to go home, catch up with some family. i home, catch up with some family. i mow— home, catch up with some family. i know im— home, catch up with some family. i know im e— home, catch up with some family. i know i'm a public— home, catch up with some family. i know i'm a public figure. aeeehr— i know i'm a public figure. aeeehr whor— i know i'm a public figure. accept what comes with that, but i'm accept what comes with that, but im gho— accept what comes with that, but im oieo o— accept what comes with that, but i'm also a human— accept what comes with that, but i'm also a human being that is emririei— i'm also a human being that is emririei ro— i'm also a human being that is emririei o o— i'm also a human being that is entitled to a bit— i'm also a human being that is entitled to a bit of— i'm also a human being that is entitled to a bit of privacy. ioiehi— entitled to a bit of privacy. rishi sunak_ entitled to a bit of privacy. rishi sunak is— entitled to a bit of privacy. rishi sunak is facing a fourth hw—eieeriom— rishi sunak is facing a fourth by—election following the resignation— by—election following the resignation of— by—election following the resignation of a former tory mp , howi— resignation of a former tory mp , david warburton,_ resignation of a former tory mp , david warburton, who had the whip— , david warburton, who had the whip ewehemiei— , david warburton, who had the whip suspended last april, has erehhei— whip suspended last april, has erehhei oowm— whip suspended last april, has stepped down from his somerton and stepped down from his somerton mi home— stepped down from his somerton and frome seat—

stepped down from his somerton and frome seat following accusations— and frome seat following accusations of— and frome seat following accusations of sexual misconduct omi— accusations of sexual misconduct mi eoeoime— accusations of sexual misconduct and cocaine use. _ accusations of sexual misconduct and cocaine use. it; and cocaine use. he's the fourth conservative mp in eight days to resign following announcements by boris johnson. nigel adams and nadine dorries . the number and nadine dorries. the number of migrants entering the uk in small boats via the english channel this year has surpassed 10,000, according to home office figures. 374 people were detected, making the journey yesterday. crossings have increased recently as the weather has improved, but the number this year is still below the equivalent at this point. last year. almost 46,000 migrants crossed the channel in 2022. the uk's pledge an extra £16 million to boost ukraine's cyber defences. that's in addition to 6.35 million promised last year. the government says it's to help ukraine better defend itself from critical infrastructure attacks from russia. the prime minister will also use a summit this week to urge investors and

businesses to step up their support for the country's economic recovery . the economic recovery. the counter—offensive against russia continues in the south and the east of ukraine. in thunder, lightning and heavy rain are moving across the uk, leading to concerns of flash flooding. the met office is predicting wind and hail with yellow warnings for thunderstorms is in place across the majority of england, wales and northern ireland until midnight. it could lead to a month's worth of rain in just a few hours . it's month's worth of rain in just a few hours. it's as a month's worth of rain in just a few hours . it's as a result of few hours. it's as a result of recent warm weather which is set to continue today in most places with temperatures in the mid to high 20s and prince william has vowed to tackle homelessness by building social housing on some of his own land . the prince of of his own land. the prince of wales told the times that ending the plight of hidden homelessness in the uk has been a lifelong ambition . he's also a lifelong ambition. he's also expressed frustration at the government councils and charities. he says they're managing homelessness rather than preventing it . some of the

than preventing it. some of the details of the five year plan will be announced next month . will be announced next month. more as it happens here on gb news. now it's back to nana . news. now it's back to nana. hello. good afternoon . this is hello. good afternoon. this is the gb news on— hello. good afternoon. this is the gb news on tv— hello. good afternoon. this is the gb news on tv on- the gb news on tv on line and on iigiroi— the gb news on tv on line and on iigiroi meio— the gb news on tv on line and on oigiroi roiio .— the gb news on tv on line and on digital radio . i'm— the gb news on tv on line and on digital radio . i'm nana akua. digital radio. i'm nana akua. ami— digital radio. i'm nana akua. ami oer— digital radio. i'm nana akua. ami rhe— digital radio. i'm nana akua. and over the next hour i'll be going— and over the next hour i'll be going heari— and over the next hour i'll be going heoo ro— and over the next hour i'll be going head to head with my homer.— going head to head with my homer. ioimimg— going head to head with my panel. joining me today is gb newe— panel. joining me today is gb wewe eemior— panel. joining me today is gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and oieo— commentator nigel nelson and oieo memeh— commentator nigel nelson and also member of— commentator nigel nelson and also member of reform and former wir— also member of reform and former iiir hem— also member of reform and former iiir hem homo.— also member of reform and former mep ben habib. they'll be going heed— mep ben habib. they'll be going heoi ro— mep ben habib. they'll be going heoi ro heari— mep ben habib. they'll be going head to head in— mep ben habib. they'll be going head to head in a— mep ben habib. they'll be going head to head in a clash of mines.— head to head in a clash of minds. here's— head to head in a clash of minds. here's what else is coming— minds. here's what else is eomimg wh— minds. here's what else is eomimg up im— minds. here's what else is coming up in the is it the end for he— coming up in the is it the end for he shre— coming up in the is it the end for the snp? do— coming up in the is it the end for the snp? do they need to cut iooeee— for the snp? do they need to cut iooeee wieoio— for the snp? do they need to cut loose? nicola sturgeon, former shr— loose? nicola sturgeon, former swr ieoier— loose? nicola sturgeon, former snp leader and— loose? nicola sturgeon, former snp leader and first minister of scoriomi— snp leader and first minister of scotland, nicola— snp leader and first minister of scotland, nicola sturgeon, has gone— scotland, nicola sturgeon, has gone home— scotland, nicola sturgeon, has gone home from _ scotland, nicola sturgeon, has gone home from the for the first rime— gone home from the for the first rime shee— gone home from the for the first time since she— gone home from the for the first time since she was— gone home from the for the first time since she was arrested wirhowr— time since she was arrested without charge— time since she was arrested without charge after she was imrerrogorei— without charge after she was interrogated for— without charge after she was interrogated for over seven howe— interrogated for over seven hours hw— interrogated for over seven hours by detectives as part of he— hours by detectives as part of he wider— hours by detectives as part of the wider investigation into the

swr-e— the wider investigation into the swr-e-.— the wider investigation into the swr-e-. ire— the wider investigation into the snp's . ms sturgeon says snp's finances. ms sturgeon says her— snp's finances. ms sturgeon says rhor—morhimg- snp's finances. ms sturgeon says that nothing wrong. that she's done nothing wrong. but that she's done nothing wrong. her-oom— that she's done nothing wrong. but-does that— that she's done nothing wrong. but does that what does but what does that what does his— but what does that what does his probe— but what does that what does this probe into— but what does that what does this probe into the snp's iimomeee— this probe into the snp's finances mean- this probe into the snp's finances mean for the future of the finances mean for the future of me poww— finances mean for the future of me horiwe imi— finances mean for the future of the party? and are— finances mean for the future of the party? and are labour just the party? and are labourjust as the party? and are labourjust oe-oe— the party? and are labourjust hole he— the party? and are labourjust as-as the tories?- the party? and are labourjust as as the tories? we will as bad as the tories? we will be asking— as bad as the tories? we will be asking her— as bad as the tories? we will be oehimg rhor im— as bad as the tories? we will be asking that in a— as bad as the tories? we will be asking that in a couple of momer— asking that in a couple of moments time— asking that in a couple of moments time as well. the former eiwii— moments time as well. the former eiwii eewomr— moments time as well. the former civil servant and— moments time as well. the former civil servant and chief, civil servant and ethics chief, swe— civil servant and ethics chief, sue—rheo- civil servant and ethics chief, sue—moi hoei civil servant and ethics chief,- sue _that has been sue gray has found that has been in breach— sue gray has found that has been in breach impartiality rules in breach of impartiality rules when— in breach of impartiality rules when-heri— in breach of impartiality rules when-held talks- in breach of impartiality rules when held talks join sir when she held talks to join sir heir— when she held talks to join sir keir starmers_ when she held talks to join sir keir starmers labour party as his keir starmers labour party as hie heari— keir starmers labour party as his head with— keir starmers labour party as his head with staff. so our iohowr— his head with staff. so our iohowr imi— his head with staff. so our labourjust as— his head with staff. so our labourjust as bad as the tories labour just as bad as the tories omi— labour just as bad as the tories me is— labour just as bad as the tories me is here— labour just as bad as the tories me is here o— labour just as bad as the tories and is there a housing crash on the and is there a housing crash on he way?— and is there a housing crash on me wow wow— and is there a housing crash on the way? now this— and is there a housing crash on the way? now this comes as the rising— the way? now this comes as the rising interest— the way? now this comes as the rising interest rates have iroerieoiiw— rising interest rates have drastically created a 4.5 cent increase, with— drastically created a 4.5 cent increase, with many anticipating rheo— increase, with many anticipating rhor rheee— increase, with many anticipating that these could— increase, with many anticipating that these could reach up to 6% by he— that these could reach up to 6% by he emi— that these could reach up to 6% by me end or— that these could reach up to 6% by the end of the— that these could reach up to 6% by the end of the year. which rheo— by the end of the year. which means that some— by the end of the year. which means that some homebuyers could see means that some homebuyers could rheir— means that some homebuyers could see their borrowing— means that some homebuyers could see their borrowing power iroerieoiiw— see their borrowing power drastically reduced by £77,000. so drastically reduced by £77,000. so how— drastically reduced by £77,000. so how io— drastically reduced by £77,000. so how do we— drastically reduced by £77,000. so how do we deal with all of rho— so how do we deal with all of his omi— so how do we deal with all of this and who's— so how do we deal with all of this and who's to— so how do we deal with all of this and who's to blame? and rhem— this and who's to blame? and rhem io— this and who's to blame? and rhem ie ir— this and who's to blame? and then is it time— this and who's to blame? and then is it time to— this and who's to blame? and then is it time to bring back eohiroi— then is it time to bring back capital punishment? earlier this week,— capital punishment? earlier this weeh rhe— capital punishment? earlier this week, the parole— capital punishment? earlier this week, the parole board announced that week, the parole board announced her home— week, the parole board announced that double child— week, the parole board announced that double child killer colin iirehiorh— that double child killer colin pitchfork is— that double child killer colin pitchfork is allowed to be reieoeei. — pitchfork is allowed to be

released. subject to conditions. ihie— released. subject to conditions. ihie io— released. subject to conditions. this is despite— released. subject to conditions. this is despite pitchfork being reeoiiei— this is despite pitchfork being reeoiiei ro— this is despite pitchfork being recalled to prison due to concerns his— recalled to prison due to concerns his behaviour he was showing. — concerns his behaviour he was showing. im— concerns his behaviour he was showing. i'm asking should we bring— showing. i'm asking should we hrimg hook— showing. i'm asking should we bring back the— showing. i'm asking should we bring back the death penalty and are bring back the death penalty and reoehere— bring back the death penalty and are teachers being— bring back the death penalty and are teachers being irresponsible in our— are teachers being irresponsible in our children's— are teachers being irresponsible in our children's safeguarding omi— in our children's safeguarding emo weiiore— in our children's safeguarding and welfare ?_ in our children's safeguarding and welfare ? this comes as chief and welfare? this comes as chief ioohhi— and welfare? this comes as chief ioohhi hoe— and welfare? this comes as chief rabbi has told— and welfare? this comes as chief rabbi has told schools that poems— rabbi has told schools that parents should— rabbi has told schools that parents should not be told if her— parents should not be told if rheir ehiii— parents should not be told if their child comes out as trans heeowee— their child comes out as trans heeowee ir— their child comes out as trans because it could— their child comes out as trans because it could cause a safeguarding— because it could cause a safeguarding risk as teachers may— safeguarding risk as teachers may mor— safeguarding risk as teachers may moi mow— safeguarding risk as teachers may not know how parents could remi— may not know how parents could reach ro— may not know how parents could reach ro rhe— may not know how parents could react to the news.— may not know how parents could react to the news. so what do you— react to the news. so what do you rhimhe— react to the news. so what do you rhimhe ho— react to the news. so what do you think? do we— react to the news. so what do you think? do we think using herring— you think? do we think using we're putting our kids at risk? ihor-e— we're putting our kids at risk? more coming— we're putting our kids at risk? that's coming up— we're putting our kids at risk? that's coming up in the next hour.— that's coming up in the next hour. ieii— that's coming up in the next hour. tell me— that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on ewewrhimg— hour. tell me what you think on ewewrhimg were— hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. hmoii— everything we're discussing. hmoii eh— everything we're discussing. email gb views— everything we're discussing. email gb views at views .com email gb views at gb views .com or-me— email gb views at gb views .com or-me or— email gb views at gb views .com or-me or .— email gb views at gb views .com or-me or . eh— email gb views at gb views .com or-me at. gb news.- email gb views at gb views .com or me at . gb news. so or tweet me at. gb news. so weieome— or tweet me at. gb news. so welcome on board. i'm nana akua. so welcome on board. i'm nana akua. so her— welcome on board. i'm nana akua. so her eomimg— welcome on board. i'm nana akua. so her eomimg wh— welcome on board. i'm nana akua. so just coming up to— welcome on board. i'm nana akua. so just coming up to nine mimwree— so just coming up to nine minutes after— so just coming up to nine minutes after 3:00, we're going heari— minutes after 3:00, we're going heoi ro— minutes after 3:00, we're going heoi ro heari— minutes after 3:00, we're going head to head this— minutes after 3:00, we're going head to head this hour and our hirer— head to head this hour and our firm mow— head to head this hour and our rirer show up— head to head this hour and our rirer show m h— head to head this hour and our first story up is this one. it's former— first story up is this one. it's iormer swh— first story up is this one. it's former snp leader nicola srwrgeom— former snp leader nicola srwrgeom .— former snp leader nicola sturgeon . she- former snp leader nicola sturgeon . she said that she is sturgeon. she said that she is certain— sturgeon. she said that she is eerroim she-e— sturgeon. she said that she is certain she's done nothing wrong hirer— certain she's done nothing wrong after returning— certain she's done nothing wrong after returning home for the hirer— after returning home for the hirer rime— after returning home for the first time since _ after returning home for the first time since her arrest last semiow —

first time since her arrest last sunday. remember that we sunday. if you remember that we hrohe— sunday. if you remember that we hrohe-ehow. — sunday. if you remember that we broke-show. now- sunday. if you remember that we broke show. now she broke it on this show. now she was questioned— broke it on this show. now she was questioned for over seven howe— was questioned for over seven hours by— was questioned for over seven hours by detectives during her omeer— hours by detectives during her omeer oe horr— hours by detectives during her arrest as part of— hours by detectives during her arrest as part of a— hours by detectives during her arrest as part of a wider investigation— arrest as part of a wider investigation into their finances— investigation into their finances at— investigation into their finances at the snp. however, she— finances at the snp. however, ehe woe— finances at the snp. however, she was released— finances at the snp. however, she was released and she was not charged— she was released and she was not charged .— she was released and she was not charged . hur— she was released and she was not charged . but she— she was released and she was not charged . but she remains adamant charged. but she remains adamant that charged. but she remains adamant rhor morhimg— charged. but she remains adamant that nothing she's— charged. but she remains adamant that nothing she's done nothing wrong— that nothing she's done nothing wrong whiie— that nothing she's done nothing wrong while saying that she's goimg— wrong while saying that she's goimg ro— wrong while saying that she's now going to spend time to catch up wirh— now going to spend time to catch up wirh her— now going to spend time to catch up with her family— now going to spend time to catch up with her family .— now going to spend time to catch up with her family . so does this up with her family. so does this eigmoi— up with her family. so does this eigmoi rhe— up with her family. so does this eigmoi rhe emi— up with her family. so does this signal the end and the dissemination of the snp and hemme— dissemination of the snp and herhohe homeo— dissemination of the snp and perhaps humza yousaf should look to perhaps humza yousaf should look ro owi— perhaps humza yousaf should look ro our wieoio— perhaps humza yousaf should look to cut nicola sturgeon out of he— to cut nicola sturgeon out of me herew— to cut nicola sturgeon out of me horiwe war,— to cut nicola sturgeon out of the party? well, let's see what my heari— the party? well, let's see what my head ro— the party? well, let's see what my head to head— the party? well, let's see what my head to head is. think of her.— my head to head is. think of that. joining— my head to head is. think of that. joining me,— my head to head is. think of that. joining me, ben habib, and oieo— that. joining me, ben habib, and oieo wigei— that. joining me, ben habib, and also nigel nelson.— that. joining me, ben habib, and also nigel nelson. ben habib, i'll also nigel nelson. ben habib, i-ii eiom— also nigel nelson. ben habib, i'll start with— also nigel nelson. ben habib, i'll start with you. while i'll start with you. well, the story— i'll start with you. well, the story nicola sturgeon is story behind nicola sturgeon is £600,000 that was given to the party £600,000 that was given to the party by £600,000 that was given to the party by various donors to mount campaigns for a second referendum. and the question rhor— referendum. and the question her home— referendum. and the question he oi— referendum. and the question that none of us— referendum. and the question that none of us have- "rzfizriii: and the question that none of us have asked is if ehe— that none of us have asked is if ehe ie— that none of us have asked is if she is innocent— that none of us have asked is if she is innocent of— that none of us have asked is if she is innocent of having misappropriated these funds, which— misappropriated these funds, which i— misappropriated these funds, which i think— misappropriated these funds, which i think is— misappropriated these funds, which i think is the allegation heimg— which i think is the allegation heimg moie— which i think is the allegation heimg mode or— which i think is the allegation being made or being, you know,

more— being made or being, you know, more he— being made or being, you know, that's the concern— being made or being, you know, that's the concern that's being roieei— that's the concern that's being roieei .— that's the concern that's being raised . there's— that's the concern that's being raised . there's someone else in raised. there's someone else in he— raised. there's someone else in he swh— raised. there's someone else in the snp that's— raised. there's someone else in the snp that's taken the money heeowee— the snp that's taken the money heeowee rhe— the snp that's taken the money because the money's gone mieeimg— because the money's gone mieeimg. a— because the money's gone missing. a campervan was born, eoeh— missing. a campervan was born, eoeh hoe— missing. a campervan was born, eoeh hoe gome— missing. a campervan was born, cash has gone astray. so you mow,— cash has gone astray. so you know he— cash has gone astray. so you know, the snp— cash has gone astray. so you know, the snp are clearly in the eroeeoihre— know, the snp are clearly in the eroeeoihre oi— know, the snp are clearly in the crosshairs of a— know, the snp are clearly in the crosshairs of a of— crosshairs of a of questionability if i can say her— questionability if i can say her or— questionability if i can say her or he— questionability if i can say that at the very— questionability if i can say that at the very least. but what do that at the very least. but what to wow— that at the very least. but what do you rhimh— that at the very least. but what do you think in— that at the very least. but what do you think in terms of regard to do you think in terms of regard ro rhe— do you think in terms of regard ro rhe herew— do you think in terms of regard to the party itself? f to the party itself? because now all to the party itself? because now hi or— to the party itself? because now all of that's happening, it's all of that's happening, it's all under investigation. so we can't really speculate. but we look at this and how it plays out as you watch it from the outskirts of it. so from here in england, watching and from england, watching it and from other the country, other parts of the country, looking how you looking at that, how do you think well, you know, think this this well, you know, for people for people who actually the snp and how actually examine the snp and how they've given effect to government in scotland , it government in scotland, it should be pretty quickly self—evident that they're hopeless in what they set out to do. their schooling system in seoriomi— do. their schooling system in eeoriomi ie— do. their schooling system in scotland is behind— i::::i their schooling system in scotland is behind the other rhree— scotland is behind the other three nations— scotland is behind the other three nations of— scotland is behind the other three nations of the united kingdom.— three nations of the united kingdom. their— three nations of the united kingdom. their health service hoem-r— kingdom. their health service hoem-r hir— kingdom. their health service hoem-r hi my— kingdom. their health service hasn't hit any of— kingdom. their health service hasn't hit any of the targets they— hasn't hit any of the targets rhew eer— hasn't hit any of the targets they set themselves back in

zero.— they set themselves back in zero. ihew-we— they set themselves back in 2012. they've been complete. hohomemre— 2012. they've been complete. proponents of— 2012. they've been complete. proponents of shutting down worrh— proponents of shutting down worrh see— proponents of shutting down north sea when— proponents of shutting down north sea when actually this was a north sea when actually this was o iomroerie— north sea when actually this was eiomroerie .— north sea when actually this was a fantastic , valuable resource a fantastic, valuable resource rhor— a fantastic, valuable resource her he — a fantastic, valuable resource that the scots— a fantastic, valuable resource that the scots would have had , that the scots would have had, you— that the scots would have had, you mow,— that the scots would have had, you know her— that the scots would have had, you know, but for— that the scots would have had, you know, but for their virtue eigmoiiimg— you know, but for their virtue signalling and— you know, but for their virtue signalling and every minority imiereeh— signalling and every minority interest, right.— signalling and every minority interest, right. has been championed— interest, right. has been championed by the snp obe, mew-we— championed by the snp obe, rhew-we wrapped— championed by the snp obe, they've wrapped themselves in a hog— they've wrapped themselves in a hog oi— they've wrapped themselves in a flag of virtuous— they've wrapped themselves in a flag of virtuous correctitude , flag of virtuous correctitude, if you — flag of virtuous correctitude, if you gig, — flag of virtuous correctitude, if you like, and— flag of virtuous correctitude, if you like, and they've megieerei— if you like, and they've neglected governance. and now we find neglected governance. and now we the her— neglected governance. and now we find that £600,000— neglected governance. and now we find that £600,000 has gone herew— find that £600,000 has gone oerrow. ami— find that £600,000 has gone astray. and then— find that £600,000 has gone astray. and then on top of that we howe— astray. and then on top of that we have rhe— astray. and then on top of that we have the visual and i can't reori— we have the visual and i can't read my— we have the visual and i can't read my mimi— we have the visual and i can't read my mind of— we have the visual and i can't read my mind of this humza voweoi— read my mind of this humza yousaf getting— read my mind of this humza yousaf getting up in holyrood andr— yousaf getting up in holyrood ome, omi— yousaf getting up in holyrood and, and bemoaning the fact that here— and, and bemoaning the fact that here ore— and, and bemoaning the fact that here iore— and, and bemoaning the fact that there are lots of— and, and bemoaning the fact that there are lots of white people in office. — there are lots of white people in office. well,— there are lots of white people in office. well, the last time i iooheh— in office. well, the last time i ioohei, rhe— in office. well, the last time i looked, the vast— in office. well, the last time i looked, the vast majority of heohie— looked, the vast majority of people scotland were white. people in scotland were white. ami— people in scotland were white. ami-howe— people in scotland were white. ami-hove o— people in scotland were white. and-have a party- people in scotland were white. and have a party that i and so you have a party that i ooh-r— and so you have a party that i ooh-r iihe— and so you have a party that i don't like the— and so you have a party that i don't like the word woke because it don't like the word woke because i mee— don't like the word woke because i iore— don't like the word woke because it means lots of— don't like the word woke because it means lots of different rhimge— it means lots of different rhimge ro— it means lots of different things to lots— it means lots of different things to lots of different reorie— things to lots of different heohie, hur— things to lots of different people, but they champion woke at people, but they champion woke or he— people, but they champion woke at the exclusion— people, but they champion woke at the exclusion to _ people, but they champion woke at the exclusion to the detriment— at the exclusion to the detriment good governance. detriment of good governance. they— detriment of good governance. thtry-a— detriment of good governance. ihey-o rhey— detriment of good governance. they-a they make- detriment of good governance. they a they make their they make a they make their hoiieiee— they make a they make their hoiieiee wh— they make a they make their policies up through virtue

eigmoiiimg. — policies up through virtue signalling. that's the whole rhimg— signalling. that's the whole rhimg rhor— signalling. that's the whole thing that they— signalling. that's the whole thing that they represent virtue eigmoiiimg— thing that they represent virtue eigmoiiimg ror— thing that they represent virtue signalling for minority rights. ami— signalling for minority rights. ami yer— signalling for minority rights. ami yer rhey— signalling for minority rights. and yet they have a financial eirworiom— and yet they have a financial situation that— and yet they have a financial situation that at— and yet they have a financial situation that at the very least hrimge— situation that at the very least hrimge wh— situation that at the very least hrimge up he— situation that at the very least brings up the integrity of the heir— brings up the integrity of the their management, if not an owrrighr— their management, if not an outright crime. _ their management, if not an outright crime. so i mean , i outright crime. so i mean, i rhimh— outright crime. so i mean, i rhimh rhey— outright crime. so i mean, i think they should never have heem— think they should never have been anywhere— think they should never have been anywhere near office in the hirer— been anywhere near office in the hirer hioee. — been anywhere near office in the first place. and— been anywhere near office in the first place. and i— been anywhere near office in the first place. and i hope this is he— first place. and i hope this is he emi— first place. and i hope this is he end or— first place. and i hope this is the end of it— first place. and i hope this is the end of it and— first place. and i hope this is the end of it and i hope we never have to— the end of it and i hope we never have to nicola never have to see nicola srwgeom— never have to see nicola sturgeon again. mice never have to see nicola sturgeon again. well, obviously nothing proven. it's nothing has been proven. it's still a live investigation. so we we wait with bated we you know, we wait with bated breath see what outcome breath to see what the outcome is. what do you is. but it's to. what do you think? well, i mean, the one room— think? well, i mean, the one hoimr rhere— think? well, i mean, the one hoimr rhere ie— think? well, i mean, the one point there is that— “

emrremehei— i think that they're now well entrenched .— i think that they're now well entrenched . they're they're entrenched. they're they're going— entrenched. they're they're going ro — entrenched. they're they're going ro roee— entrenched. they're they're going to lose support. i mean, rhie— going to lose support. i mean, he ie— going to lose support. i mean, he ie o— going to lose support. i mean, this is a scandal— going to lose support. i mean, this is a scandal which will wiri— this is a scandal which will wiii coer— this is a scandal which will will cost them— this is a scandal which will will cost them members an awful lot will cost them members an awful hi or— will cost them members an awful hr of reh— will cost them members an awful lot of left already— will cost them members an awful lot of left already the £600,000 rhor— lot of left already the £600,000 rhor ie— lot of left already the £600,000 rhor ie im— lot of left already the £600,000 that is in question— lot of left already the £600,000 that is in question was given by ordinary— that is in question was given by ordinary heohie. — that is in question was given by ordinary people. it— that is in question was given by ordinary people. it was ordinary ewpporiere. — ordinary people. it was ordinary ewpporiere. so— ordinary people. it was ordinary supporters. so it's— ordinary people. it was ordinary supporters. so it's their money, not supporters. so it's their money, moi eome— supporters. so it's their money, moi hig— supporters. so it's their money, not some big donor who can well more— not some big donor who can well oiiori ii.— not some big donor who can well effort it so— not some big donor who can well afford it. so it— not some big donor who can well afford it. so it will— not some big donor who can well afford it. so it will cause them prohieme— afford it. so it will cause them problems that— afford it. so it will cause them problems that will help keir simmer— problems that will help keir simmer ii— problems that will help keir starmer i'd imagine he'll pick up a— starmer i'd imagine he'll pick m o mwmerh— starmer i'd imagine he'll pick up a number of— starmer i'd imagine he'll pick up a number of mps there, hemme— up a number of mps there, herhohe oe— up a number of mps there, perhaps as many as 20, but when it perhaps as many as 20, but when i omee— perhaps as many as 20, but when i iowm— perhaps as many as 20, but when it comes down to— perhaps as many as 20, but when it comes down to the snp as a party,— it comes down to the snp as a harry, rhey-re— it comes down to the snp as a party, they're still— it comes down to the snp as a party, they're still there. i rhimh— party, they're still there. i think they'll— party, they're still there. i think they'll carry on and still here— think they'll carry on and still here wiri— think they'll carry on and still there will be— think they'll carry on and still there will be pushing for independence, which is what reoiiy— independence, which is what reoiiy-rhem- independence, which is what really them going. independence, which is what- really-them going. but do really keeps them going. but do you think— really keeps them going. but do you rhimh rhe— really keeps them going. but do you think the appetite for independence still there in independence is still there in scotland think it's scotland though? i think it's been i scotland though? i think it's been—i think- scotland though? i think it'si been—i think that been delayed and i think that the been delayed and i think that he rhor— been delayed and i think that the that this— been delayed and i think that the that this has— been delayed and i think that the that this has made things iihiewir— the that this has made things iiiiiewir ro — the that this has made things difficult to actually progress the difficult to actually progress rhe eomhoigm— difficult to actually progress the campaign. but the snp don't exhi— the campaign. but the snp don't exier wirhowr— the campaign. but the snp don't exist without independence, i mean, without— exist without independence, i mean, without the move towards wiihowh— mean, without the move towards without, without. _ mean, without the move towards without, without. yes, not wirhowr— without, without. yes, not without independence . indeed. without independence. indeed. in without independence. indeed. in how— without independence. indeed. in how ii— without independence. indeed. in how if you— without independence. indeed. in fact, if you give—

without independence. indeed. in fact, if you give them- in fact, if you give them independence, that could be the end the snp because it would end of the snp because it would reveal them for the useless bunch of charlatans that they are. well, i mean we'll see that that the 2014 vote things got a bit wobbly that that that that that the people who supported independence was a lot higher and obviously now that that scotland has suffered because of the brexit vote now that we've left the eu which scotland wanted to remain, i mean you know the figures are 62% of scots wanted to remain compared to just 30, but they also chose to just 30, but they also chose to be part of the united kingdom. so if you're one, as part— kingdom. so if you're one, as ham or— kingdom. so if you're one, as hem of he— kingdom. so if you're one, as part of the united— 3: so if you're one, as part of the united kingdom, then more— part of the united kingdom, then here how— part of the united kingdom, then here how ir— part of the united kingdom, then that's how it works. mice that's how it works. well, i i— that's how it works. well, i mean, i didn't say the vote was unfair. i'm just saying that if you had lived in scotland, scotland a whole to scotland as a whole wanted to remain the eu as remain in the eu as circumstances have changed, therefore there should be another independence vote. but here's the other like. and- here's the other like. and i her— here's the other like. and i he gwiehiy— here's the other like. and i he gwiehiy eoy— here's the other like. and i just quickly say this. here's rhe— just quickly say this. here's rhe orher— just quickly say this. here's the other lie. _ just quickly say this. here's the other lie. nicola sturgeon, the other lie. nicola sturgeon, rhe swh— the other lie. nicola sturgeon, the snp champion independence. and the snp champion independence. ami-rhor-e— the snp champion independence. ami-rhor-e mor— the snp champion independence. and that's not what they're and yet that's not what they're promieimg. — and yet that's not what they'rej

promieimg. —heohie promising. the scottish people whor—goimgl what they're actually going to derive— what they're actually going to ieiiwer—ger- what they're actually going to deliver _ get that l deliver if they ever get that wore — deliver if they ever get that wore ie— deliver if they ever get that vote is leaving— deliver if they ever get that vote is leaving the united kingdom— vote is leaving the united kingdom ror— vote is leaving the united kingdom for the european union. it's kingdom for the european union. ir-e mor— kingdom for the european union. it's not independence. they just change— it's not independence. they just ehomge ihimg— it's not independence. they just change thing. the— it's not independence. they just change thing. the nature of her— change thing. the nature of their allegiance. that's what rhey-re— their allegiance. that's what rhey-re going.— their allegiance. that's what they're doing. i— their allegiance. that's what they're doing. i think. i think in they're doing. i think. i think im semiari— they're doing. i think. i think in scotland they see that rather differently. well, in scotland they see that rather differently . well, but they may differently. well, but they may see differently. well, but they may rhor— differently. well, but they may see that differently,— i: ”tint; well, but they may see that differently, but that is see that differently, but that ie rhe— see that differently, but that is the reality— see that differently, but that is the reality of— see that differently, but that is the reality of it, that is he— is the reality of it, that is the reality. _ is the reality of it, that is the reality. that's what they promised. listen, if promised. well well, listen, if yo-e— promised. well well, listen, if yow-we-ioimei— promised. well well, listen, if you've .joined us,- : well well, listen, if you've joined us, what's you've just joined us, what's your— you've just joined us, what's yowrrhowghre— you've just joined us, what's your thoughts on that? gb views gb your thoughts on that? gb views eh —rweer- your thoughts on that? gb views eh —rweer me- your thoughts on that? gb views gb _tweet me at. your thoughts on that? gb viewsi gb _tweet me at gb gb news .com or tweet me at gb newe— gb news .com or tweet me at gb wewe. wow— gb news .com or tweet me at gb wewe. wow ier-e— gb news .com or tweet me at gb news. now let's let's have a iooh— news. now let's let's have a iooh or— news. now let's let's have a iooh or rhie— news. now let's let's have a look at this one— news. now let's let's have a look at this one because our iohow— look at this one because our iohowr her— look at this one because our labourjust as— look at this one because our labourjust as bad as the tories labour just as bad as the tories . wow— labour just as bad as the tories . wow former— labour just as bad as the tories . now former top— labour just as bad as the tories . now former top senior civil eewomr— . now former top senior civil eemomr omi— . now former top senior civil servant and ethics sue gray remember her— servant and ethics sue gray remember her 50 shades of sue eroy— remember her 50 shades of sue eroy she-e— remember her 50 shades of sue gray she's been— remember her 50 shades of sue gray she's been found to have hreoehei— gray she's been found to have breached impartiality rules when she breached impartiality rules when ehe heri— breached impartiality rules when ehe heii gwier— breached impartiality rules when she held quiet talks with the iohowr— she held quiet talks with the iohowr harry— she held quiet talks with the labour party when they were here— labour party when they were here — labour party when they were there were plans— labour party when they were there were plans to make her sir heir— there were plans to make her sir heir simmer— there were plans to make her sir keir starmer new— there were plans to make her sir keir starmer new chief of staff. wow— keir starmer new chief of staff. wow i— keir starmer new chief of staff. wow r oom— keir starmer new chief of staff. now i can remember when she was gweeriomei— now i can remember when she was gweeriomei whem— now i can remember when she was questioned when akua was gweeiiomeh— questioned when akua was questioned, but actually keir simmer— questioned, but actually keir starmer questioned lbc starmer was questioned on lbc omi— starmer was questioned on lbc emo rye— starmer was questioned on lbc me he gor— starmer was questioned on lbc me he gor ro— starmer was questioned on lbc and i've got to put— starmer was questioned on lbc and i've got to put it out there

for remem— and i've got to put it out there for ferrari for— and i've got to put it out there for ferrari for asking him the iireer— for ferrari for asking him the direct question— for ferrari for asking him the direct question .— for ferrari for asking him the direct question . and so when he direct question. and so when he oerwoiiy— direct question. and so when he actually approached her, the cohimer— actually approached her, the cabinet secretary, simon case omi— cabinet secretary, simon case me he— cabinet secretary, simon case and the government's most senior iowyer— and the government's most senior iowyer-oii— and the government's most senior iowyer-oh om— and the government's most senior lawyer off an assessment lawyer signed off an assessment which— lawyer signed off an assessment whieh formi— lawyer signed off an assessment which found-gray— lawyer signed off an assessment which found gray had fallen which found sue gray had fallen ehorr— which found sue gray had fallen ehorr oi— which found sue gray had fallen ehorr of he— which found sue gray had fallen short of the standards laid out by short of the standards laid out hy rhe— short of the standards laid out hy rhe civi— short of the standards laid out by the civil service code and of her emhioymemr— by the civil service code and of her employment contract when she had her employment contract when she hoi rehe— her employment contract when she had talks which— her employment contract when she had talks which were taking piece— had talks which were taking place between— had talks which were taking place between her and the labour harry. — place between her and the labour harry. so— place between her and the labour harry. so ore— place between her and the labour harry. so rhe— place between her and the labour party. so are the labour party her— party. so are the labour party iwer oe— party. so are the labour party rwer oe hoi— party. so are the labour party rwer oe hoe oe— party. so are the labour party just as bad as the— party. so are the labour party just as bad as the tories when it just as bad as the tories when i omee— just as bad as the tories when i ro— just as bad as the tories when it comes to hypocrisy and hiring— it comes to hypocrisy and ioiiimg ro— it comes to hypocrisy and failing to breach the to reach rhe— failing to breach the to reach the standards— failing to breach the to reach the standards that we expect our hwhiie— the standards that we expect our hwhiie eemomre— the standards that we expect our public servants-be— the standards that we expect our public servants be in? i'm public servants to be in? i'm going— public servants to be in? i'm going ro— public servants to be in? i'm going ro eiom— public servants to be in? i'm going to start nigel going to start with you, nigel weieom— going to start with you, nigel nelson-well,- going to start with you, nigel nelson. well, first nelson. yeah, well, the first rhimg— nelson. yeah, well, the first rhimglrhie— nelson. yeah, well, the first thing this leaked thing is this is a leaked rehom. — thing is this is a leaked error. we— thing is this is a leaked report. �*vw�*iz; " c thing is this is a leaked report. " c " thing is this is a leaked- report. we haven't seen the final version. there's no real conclusion at end of conclusion right at the end of it what they think should it about what they think should happen to her. but they do suggest she might have been sacked they'd known about sacked if they'd known about these earlier. these things earlier. exactly what offences . and it what are offences. and it doesn't compare with partygate her offences. well, no, but she was into partygate and was looking into partygate and whilst bringing something that doesn't. it was going doesn't. not while it was going on she was she did look on she was looking. she did look into and her into partygate and produced her report. after

report. all this happened after that. so. but that's the debate, isn't it? nigel? she was talking to isn't it? nigel? she was talking ro iohow— isn't it? nigel? she was talking to labour back— isn't it? nigel? she was talking to labour back in— c c7’ nigel? she was talking to labour back in late 2021. more— to labour back in late 2021. more he— to labour back in late 2021. that's the allegation in at a rime— that's the allegation in at a rime when— that's the allegation in at a time when actually she was also eomeiierimg— time when actually she was also considering the— time when actually she was also considering the position of home— considering the position of boris johnson— considering the position of boris johnson in partygate . boris johnson in partygate. war,— boris johnson in partygate. weir. whoo— boris johnson in partygate. well, what they,— boris johnson in partygate. well, what they, what- boris johnson in partygate. well, what they, what they both said is that they weren't talking to each other while that partygate report. well, that's what they said was going on. i'm taking them at their word, isn't it? however there is a there it? however for there is a there is a breach the civil service is a breach of the civil service code here on the that it code here on the basis that it does like sue gray didn't does look like sue gray didn't tell her bosses that she was meeting the opposition and one of the civil service code rules is you must you must declare the fact you're meeting opposition mps. so she has so if this is right, if the report is right, she has breached the code, it doesn't mean that keir starmer has breached the code just by actually meeting her. but he would have known the rules, right? so he would know the iee — right? so he would know the iee hee— right? so he would know the rules. he's quite— right? so he would know the rules. he's quite a- ” q7 so he would know the rules. he's quite a litigious, very,— rules. he's quite a litigious, very, you— rules. he's quite a litigious, very, you-precise- rules. he's quite a litigious, very, you precise man. but very, you know, precise man. but he wowiim-r— very, you know, precise man. but he wouldn't-known- he wouldn't have known is wherher— he wouldn't have known is whether-not— he wouldn't have known is whether not was going to

whether or not she was going to reh— whether or not she was going to reii—rhor— whether or not she was going to tell-that they'd - tell somebody that they'd had a meerimg. — tell somebody that they'd had a meerimg. -mo.— tell somebody that they'd had a meeting. _no, that's- meeting. well, no, that's irrelevant. there's of irrelevant. so there's a lot of ifs and buts the middle of ifs and buts in the middle of you breaking the rules or doing something against you shouldn't be might tell be doing. you might tell someone, but someone, you might not, but you-e— someone, you might not, but you're-breaking- someone, you might not, but you're breaking rules. you're still breaking the rules. ami—worri- you're still breaking the rules. and—would have. you're still breaking the rules.- and _would have known and the starmer would have known the and the starmer would have known rhe iee — and the starmer would have known rhe iee ami— and the starmer would have known the rules. and-the— and the starmer would have known the rules. and-the very- the rules. and at the very least, offering employment at least, of offering employment at a time when she was adjudicating something the something that involved the opposition to skew her opposition was bound to skew her interest, to her interest, was bound to skew her mind, he would have known mind, and he would have known that level, you that just at a human level, you know, talking to her about know, he's talking to her about giving while she's giving her a job while she's passing judgement on boris johnson it's not johnson and others. it's not while no, while it's after. no, but no, but that's point. that's the but that's the point. that's the allegation. and it pass allegation. and it doesn't pass the smell test. it really doesn't pass the smell test. well, event that that she well, in the event that that she woe-rhoee— well, in the event that that she was those meetings was having those meetings with keir was having those meetings with heir-shame— was having those meetings with keir-sharma-shel keir starmer sharma while she woe-rhe— keir starmer sharma while she was the investigation into was doing the investigation into home— was doing the investigation into horie iohmeoh— was doing the investigation into boris johnson, i— was doing the investigation into boris johnson, i would agree homew— boris johnson, i would agree homer-rhe- boris johnson, i would agree bannau the basis that she bannau but on the basis that she wer— bannau but on the basis that she wer rhor— bannau but on the basis that she wer her i— bannau but on the basis that she wasn't that i think— bannau but on the basis that she wasn't that i think the two rhimge— wasn't that i think the two rhimge ore— wasn't that i think the two things are completely separate . things are completely separate. but things are completely separate. her her— things are completely separate. hue hm ehe— things are completely separate. but but she should— things are completely separate. but but she should have- things are completely separate. but but she should have i- things are completely separate. but but she should have i mean, look, the optics are very bad. she should have known the optics are bad. i agree with that. she ehowii— are bad. i agree with that. she

ehowii howe— are bad. i agree with that. she should have known— 311536: i agree with that. she should have known that. riiti; air: i agree with that. she should have known that. rir”r:i; air: i agree with that. she should have known that. " should have known that. i mean, ehe-e— should have known that. i mean, more a— should have known that. i mean, she's a sensible— should have known that. i mean, she's a sensible human being. so it's the keir starmer. he should have known as well. and she declined cooperate the declined to cooperate with the investigation cabinet declined to cooperate with the investisetion cabinet declined to cooperate with the investiset out, cabinet declined to cooperate with the investiset out, which cabinet office set out, which brings a whole load of other questions. you know, she's obviously eoew— you know, she's obviously nervous about— you know, she's obviously nervous about something, isn't ehee— nervous about something, isn'ti ehee—howe she? otherwise she would have opened— she? otherwise she would havei ohemei—ohowr opened up and been frank about the opened up and been frank about rhe-i— opened up and been frank about rhe-i meoh— opened up and been frank about the-i mean, i'm- opened up and been frank about the i mean, i'm afraid the position. i mean, i'm afraid it the position. i mean, i'm afraid irlherriee— the position. i mean, i'm afraid ithettles-pots- the position. i mean, i'm afraid ithettles-pots and- it is kettles and pots and whom— it is kettles and pots and without wishing to support there— without wishing to support nigel's position on this because i i nigel's position on this because i—i meoh- nigel's position on this because i—i i- nigel's position on this because i_i mean, i think. i don't nigel, i mean, i think irre— i don't nigel, i mean, i think it's completely— i don't nigel, i mean, i think it's completely wrong she it's completely wrong that she woe-irre— it's completely wrong that she woe-ire wrong- it's completely wrong that she was. it's wrong that she was. i think it's wrong that she ioimei— was. i think it's wrong that she romeo—harry.- was. i think it's wrong that she joined party. frankly joined the labour party. frankly hirer— joined the labour party. frankly hirer-hoi— joined the labour party. frankly after-had such- joined the labour party. frankly after-had such a- joined the labour party. frankly after had such a pivotal after having had such a pivotal hoeiriom— after having had such a pivotal hoeiriom im— after having had such a pivotal hoeiriom in im— after having had such a pivotal position in, in bringing down a eirrimg— position in, in bringing down a eirrimg imme— position in, in bringing down a sitting prime minister. but having— sitting prime minister. but having eoii— sitting prime minister. but having said that , simon case is having said that, simon case is no having said that, simon case is mo omgei— having said that, simon case is no angel himself— having said that, simon case is no angel himself .— having said that, simon case is no angel himself . if simon case, no angel himself. if simon case, who— no angel himself. if simon case, who heede— no angel himself. if simon case, who heoie wh— no angel himself. if simon case, who heads up the— no angel himself. if simon case, who heads up the cabinet office and who heads up the cabinet office emo eigmei— who heads up the cabinet office mi eigmei oh— who heads up the cabinet office and signed off this report , has and signed off this report, has heem—im— and signed off this report, has been in partygate . been implicated in partygate. here— been implicated in partygate. here oeeh— been implicated in partygate. he's been implicated in bullying and he's been implicated in bullying me o— he's been implicated in bullying me o whore— he's been implicated in bullying and a whole host— he's been implicated in bullying and a whole host of other hinge.— and a whole host of other things. simon— and a whole host of other things. simon should things. simon case should never be things. simon case should never hemewe-— things. simon case should never hemewe- hie— things. simon case should never hemewe- hieioh- be in the news. his job is mighty— be in the news. his job is actually-guide- be in the news. his job is actually guide the cabinet actually to guide the cabinet away— actually to guide the cabinet away from — actually to guide the cabinet away from icebergs , and he seems away from icebergs, and he seems to away from icebergs, and he seems ro he— away from icebergs, and he seems ro he imwoiwei— away from icebergs, and he seems to be involved in— away from icebergs, and he seems to be involved in just about every— to be involved in just about every ieeherg— to be involved in just about every iceberg that comes across , you— every iceberg that comes across , you know. — every iceberg that comes across , you know. number 10s bow . and , you know. number 10s bow. and so , you know. number 10s bow. and eo irre—

, you know. number 10s bow. and eo ir-e herriee— , you know. number 10s bow. and so it's kettles and— , you know. number 10s bow. and so it's kettles and pots. ihey-re— so it's kettles and pots. ihey-re ori— so it's kettles and pots. they're all at- so it's kettles and pots. they're all at it. well i mean, iooh— they're all at it. well i mean, iooh we— they're all at it. well i mean, iooh we hoi— they're all at it. well i mean, look, we had we— they're all at it. well i mean, look, we had we saw this video as look, we had we saw this video oe weir— look, we had we saw this video oe weii oh— look, we had we saw this video oe weii oh you— look, we had we saw this video as well of, you know, the civil eewomre— as well of, you know, the civil servants appearing to just make iighr— servants appearing to just make iighr oi— servants appearing to just make iighr of he— servants appearing to just make light of the rules.— servants appearing to just make light of the rules. i think gor— light of the rules. i think we've got the clip that we can play we've got the clip that we can play to show those who are watching on tv. if you're listening on on radio, it is, of course, the civil servants who are just enjoying themselves and actually making light of the video. civil servants, these ones. but but civil servants cross all platforms anyway, so they i mean, i think they may have i mean, i think they may have i mean, i think the video you're talking about, they weren't civil servants. they conservative they were conservative party eroiiere— they were conservative party staffers- actually. staffers who were actually doing her— staffers who were actually doing rhor-rhey— staffers who were actually doing rhor-rhey wee- staffers who were actually doing that they were shaun that because they were shaun hoiiey— that because they were shaun bailey-campaign- that because they were shaun bailey campaign staff when bailey his campaign staff when he-he— bailey his campaign staff when he-he we— bailey his campaign staff when he-he going- bailey his campaign staff when he he was going for the he when he was going for the moyorohy— he when he was going for the moyoroiry, rhe — he when he was going for the mayoralty, the mayoralty . ' ”c: mayoralty, the mayoralty. are they— mayoralty, the mayoralty. are they — mayoralty, the mayoralty. are they oe— mayoralty, the mayoralty. are they seen as civil— mayoralty, the mayoralty. are they seen as civil servants? mayoralty, the mayoralty. ' ”c: " it. . c 7 no they seen as civil servants? no , no. seen as civil? no. those people are people are tory staffers. so people are people are tory staffers . so this is such a bad staffers. so this is such a bad wiieo. — staffers. so this is such a bad video. i— staffers. so this is such a bad video. i thought— staffers. so this is such a bad video. i thought it— so this is such a bad video. i thought it was a spoof wher— video. i thought it was a spoof when i— video. i thought it was a spoof when i hirer— video. i thought it was a spoof when i first saw— video. i thought it was a spoof when i first saw it. i look at rhem — when i first saw it. i look at rhem omi— when i first saw it. i look at them and says— when i first saw it. i look at them and says as- when i first saw it. i look at them and says as long as we ooh-r— them and says as long as we ooh-r reem — them and says as long as we don't stream this— them and says as long as we don't stream this live, what did it don't stream this live, what did i eowmi— don't stream this live, what did it sound like?— don't stream this live, what did it sound like? _ don't stream this live, what did it sound like? i— don't stream this live, what did it sound like? : c oh, it sound like? i missed it. oh, my— it sound like? i missed it. oh, my gooimeee— it sound like? i missed it. oh, my goodness, they're- it sound like? : c oh, my goodness, they're actually iomeimg. — my goodness, they're actually dancing. what— my goodness, they're actually dancing. grin dancing. what you've got are two people who are dancing badly,

one in a what? it looks like a bad christmas. it looks like it looks like one of those clips from gervais the from ricky gervais is the office, it what it office, doesn't it is what it sounds like. that's what was going—exocriyl going on there. it's exactly iihe— going on there. it's exactly iihe hiehy— going on there. it's exactly like ricky gervais, pretty horimg. — like ricky gervais, pretty horimg. hur— like ricky gervais, pretty boring. but at- like ricky gervais, pretty boring. rir�*r: like ricky gervais, pretty boring. rifr: like ricky gervais, pretty- boring. but at the end of the day, they were people. i'm day, they were people. but i'm not there's comparison not sure there's any comparison that sue gray. i that would sue with sue gray. i mean, here we've got people who are mean, here we've got people who gwire— mean, here we've got people who are quite patently— mean, here we've got people who are quite patently breaking the wee— are quite patently breaking the rules, committing offence rules, committing an offence on ihor-e— rules, committing an offence on screen. that's quite the screen. that's not quite the eome-hwr- screen. that's not quite the same-but no,- screen. that's not quite the same-but no, but. screen. that's not quite the- same-but no, but simon same thing. but no, but simon case knew about the quiz, for example , that took place in example, that took place in december 2020. in number ten. i mean, simon case is at the centre of a lot of this controversy, which is why i say, you know, it's kettles and pots and that, i suppose , is the and that, i suppose, is the vulnerable motty of a political system. if you have politicians policing themselves and the civil service all amongst each other, you rely on them to have integrity. you rely on self policing. and it seems to me that the whole organism of government, including those who support elected officials, are

basically rotten . and, you know, basically rotten. and, you know, that's what i see. and can i just give one example of why i think they're rotten? very. okay. we'll come back. okay. wait for this wonderful- cree/erg �*rfyrrrzi; cc i i okay. wait for this wonderful piece of. wait for this wonderful piece or. i— wait for this wonderful piece or. i wiri— wait for this wonderful piece of. i will wait— wait for this wonderful piece of. i will wait for— wait for this wonderful piece of. i will wait for that after he— of. i will wait for that after he hreoh— of. i will wait for that after he hreoh. i— of. i will wait for that after the break. i can't wait to hear whor— the break. i can't wait to hear whor-howe— the break. i can't wait to hear what-have to— the break. i can't wait to hear what-have to .just. the break. i can't wait to hear what have to just stay what you have to say. just stay wirh— what you have to say. just stay wirhlihie— what you have to say. just stay wirhlihie ie— what you have to say. just stay with .this is gb— what you have to say. just stay with this is gb news. we're with us this is gb news. we're rive— with us this is gb news. we're iiwe om— with us this is gb news. we're iiwe or iv— with us this is gb news. we're live on tv online— with us this is gb news. we're live on tv online and on digital radio— live on tv online and on digital radio, goimg— live on tv online and on digital radio, going-ro— live on tv online and on digital radio, going to head with radio, going head to head with melhohih— radio, going head to head with me,-habib and— radio, going head to head with me, habib and nigel nelson. me, ben habib and nigel nelson. shy— me, ben habib and nigel nelson. sroy whee.— me, ben habib and nigel nelson. stay tuned. there's— me, ben habib and nigel nelson. stay tuned. there's more to

course of action is. you're listening to gb news radio . good listening to gb news radio. good afternoon. this is gb news on tv omiime— afternoon. this is gb news on tv omiime omi— afternoon. this is gb news on tv omiime me oh— afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on digital— " this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm home— online and on digital radio. i'm home whee.— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. keep— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. keep all those messages coming in before the hem. — messages coming in before the hem. were— messages coming in before the break. we're discussing whether iohow— break. we're discussing whether iohowr ore— break. we're discussing whether labour are just— break. we're discussing whether labour are just as— break. we're discussing whether labour are just as bad as the ioriee. — labour are just as bad as the ioriee. ier-e— labour are just as bad as the tories. let's see— labour are just as bad as the tories. let's see what you've heem— tories. let's see what you've heem eoyimg— tories. let's see what you've been saying. caroline says. i ooh-r— been saying. caroline says. i ooh-r eee— been saying. caroline says. i ooh-r why— been saying. caroline says. i don't see why party organisers ehowii— don't see why party organisers ehowii ger— don't see why party organisers should get away— don't see why party organisers should get away without being timeo— should get away without being fined £10,000— should get away without being fined £10,000 and a criminal recom— fined £10,000 and a criminal record. there's— fined £10,000 and a criminal record. there's a— fined £10,000 and a criminal record. there's a lot of the hwhiie— record. there's a lot of the hwhiie — record. there's a lot of the public were. it's- record. there's a lot of the public were. it's a good point, iemmy— public were. it's a good point, iemmy eoye— public were. it's a good point, lenny says. well,— public were. it's a good point, lenny says. well, it seems groeeiy— lenny says. well, it seems grossly unfair. _ lenny says. well, it seems grossly unfair. boris has taken the grossly unfair. boris has taken rhe preh— grossly unfair. boris has taken me hweh ror— grossly unfair. boris has taken the push for other members of

the push for other members of me harry— the push for other members of me harry who— the push for other members of the party who did— the push for other members of the party who did not respect the party who did not respect rhe piece— the party who did not respect rhe hioee rhey— the party who did not respect the place they worked in. very wee.— the place they worked in. very rrwe. ae— the place they worked in. very rrwe. he weii. — the place they worked in. very true. as well. helen points out her— true. as well. helen points out her iohow— true. as well. helen points out that labour don't— true. as well. helen points out that labour don't get scrutinised- that labour don't get scrutinised enough . sue gray scrutinised enough. sue gray simmer— scrutinised enough. sue gray simmer omi— scrutinised enough. sue gray starmer and their party are rhom— starmer and their party are worse than the— starmer and their party are worse than the tories and martin eoye— worse than the tories and martin eoye how— worse than the tories and martin eoye how many— worse than the tories and martin says how many policies have been iirehei— says how many policies have been iirehei hy— says how many policies have been ditched by starmer— says how many policies have been ditched by starmer in the past rwo— ditched by starmer in the past rwo weehee— ditched by starmer in the past two weeks? i've— ditched by starmer in the past two weeks? i've lost count. i eem-r— two weeks? i've lost count. i cant weer— two weeks? i've lost count. i can't trust them— two weeks? i've lost count. i can't trust them so true. i mean, he's just- can't trust them so true. i mean, he's just he's talking ohowr— mean, he's just he's talking about something else at 2030. i rhimh— about something else at 2030. i him here— about something else at 2030. i think hers talking— about something else at 2030. i think he's talking about solar homere— think he's talking about solar homeie rhor— think he's talking about solar panels that will— think he's talking about solar panels that will probably go eoom-eoye— panels that will probably go soon.-says both- panels that will probably go soon. says both grey and soon. mike says both grey and simmer— soon. mike says both grey and simmer ore— soon. mike says both grey and starmer are liars— soon. mike says both grey and starmer are liars .— soon. mike says both grey and starmer are liars . yes, that's starmer are liars. yes, that's whor— starmer are liars. yes, that's whor he— starmer are liars. yes, that's whor he eoye. — starmer are liars. yes, that's what he says. well you know, oi— what he says. well you know, of he— what he says. well you know, some of the things i mean, some of he— some of the things i mean, some of he rhimge— some of the things i mean, some of the things that— some of the things i mean, some of the things that starmer has eoii— of the things that starmer has eoii wirh— of the things that starmer has said with regard— of the things that starmer has said with regard to beergate, i rhor— said with regard to beergate, i mean, that was— said with regard to beergate, i mean, that was things he said wrheer— mean, that was things he said wrmeer rug, — mean, that was things he said weren't true, but— mean, that was things he said weren't true, but police weren't true, but the police exomerorei — weren't true, but the police exonerated him. but they exonerated him. but. but they weren't.-weren't- exonerated him. but. but they weren't.-weren't truei exonerated him. but they weren't. weren't true . weren't. but they weren't true. so, weren't. but they weren't true. so, for— weren't. but they weren't true. so, for example,— weren't. but they weren't true. so, for example, he said that here— so, for example, he said that here wee— so, for example, he said that there were there— so, for example, he said that there were there were only a few heohie— there were there were only a fewj heohie—were people attending and there were 22 or— people attending and there were 22 or 22— people attending and there were 22 or 22 something. he said 22 or 22 or something. he said her— 22 or 22 or something. he said. rhor—gorherimg. that it was impromptu gathering. iome— that it was impromptu gathering. mime—— that it was impromptu gathering. iwmeo— memo- that it was impromptu gathering. turns—a memo. so| turns out there was a memo. so it turns out there was a memo. so i ee— turns out there was a memo. so it was obviously— turns out there was a memo. so it was obviously planned. so he eeii— it was obviously planned. so he eeii rher. — it was obviously planned. so he said that. angela— it was obviously planned. so he said that. angela rayner wasn't rhere— said that. angela rayner wasn't here-ehe— said that. angela rayner wasn't there - she was. _ said that. angela rayner wasn't there-she was. i— said that. angela rayner wasn't there she was. i mean, but there and she was. i mean, but it there and she was. i mean, but rg_0gg.a,_ there and she was. i mean, but it-offence, but- there and she was. i mean, but it-offence, but it's. it wasn't an offence, but it's mor— it wasn't an offence, but it's moi-so— it wasn't an offence, but it's moi-so wher- it wasn't an offence, but it's. not-so what people not true is it? so what people eeh-— not true is it? so what people ere-h rhey-re- not true is it? so what people are is they're lying and

are saying is they're lying and her— are saying is they're lying and rher-iie— are saying is they're lying and rher-iie emi— are saying is they're lying and that-lie and i'd- are saying is they're lying and that lie and i'd like to that is a lie and i'd like to say— that is a lie and i'd like to eey ir— that is a lie and i'd like to eey i h.— that is a lie and i'd like to say it is. and— that is a lie and i'd like to say it is. and you know why, why,— say it is. and you know why, why, why— say it is. and you know why, why, why — say it is. and you know why, why, why were they drinking eohiowe— why, why were they drinking copious amounts of peroni? i mmh— copious amounts of peroni? i mmh-wher— copious amounts of peroni? i think-what he- copious amounts of peroni? i think-what he had- copious amounts of peroni? ii think-what he had-his think that's what he had in his hand. bottle of peroni and hand. a bottle of peroni and ordering i it ordering in curry. i mean, it doesn't sound like a work event to it sounds they had to me. it sounds like they had their feet up at 7 pm. after their feet up at 7 pm. after the work had finished and were just having a jolly. but the police it was a work police decided it was a work event. yeah, thurrock, event. yeah, the thurrock, eer— event. yeah, the thurrock, aren't-labour- aren't they a labour constabulary? aren't they a labour- constabulary?-thought aren't they a labour- constabulary?.thought they constabulary? i thought they were well. well listen, let's constabulary? i thought they were on vell. well listen, let's constabulary? i thought they were on to l. well listen, let's constabulary? i thought they were on to thisell listen, let's constabulary? i thought they were on to this one sten, let's constabulary? i thought they were on to this one though, 's move on to this one though, because is affecting a lot because this is affecting a lot of and if got of people. and if you've got a home and you've bought a house and mortgage, and you've got a mortgage, you'll know all about this one. home buyers, they're feeling the pinch rates pinch as rising interest rates could increase up to could be set to increase up to 6. now, in my day, that was perfectly normal 6, 5. you've got a mortgage. was fine, but got a mortgage. it was fine, but we've experienced 0% and 1. so we've experienced 0% and 1. so we that. now meaning we got used to that. now meaning this obviously their this means that obviously their borrowing reduced borrowing power could be reduced by worked. by around about worked. it out at about £77,000, could at about £77,000, which could make it far more difficult for first time buyers to get onto the rising the housing ladder. rising inflation war in ukraine inflation and the war in ukraine have also meant household have also meant that household

bills increased , piling bills have increased, piling even pressure onto even more pressure onto households. so is the housing bubble about to burst ? i'm going bubble about to burst? i'm going to start with you, ben habib . is to start with you, ben habib. is it about to burst, do you think? well, i think it is. i think this is a massively- �*rfyrrrzigc c ithink this is a massively it's a massive bad— this is a massively it's a massive bad step for the united kingdom— massive bad step for the united kingdom ror— massive bad step for the united kingdom, for the— massive bad step for the united kingdom, for the economy and for eeoryme— kingdom, for the economy and for eeoryme who— kingdom, for the economy and for everyone who lives— kingdom, for the economy and for everyone who lives in the united kingdom.— everyone who lives in the united kingdom ami— everyone who lives in the united kingdom. and you— everyone who lives in the united kingdom. and you know, you're gwire— kingdom. and you know, you're gwire righh— kingdom. and you know, you're gwire right we— kingdom. and you know, you're quite right. we used to be well weed— quite right. we used to be well weei ro— quite right. we used to be well weei ro eh— quite right. we used to be well used to 6% interest rates. but he— used to 6% interest rates. but he rerio— used to 6% interest rates. but the ratio between— used to 6% interest rates. but the ratio between house prices emi— the ratio between house prices emo eeieriee— the ratio between house prices and salaries back— the ratio between house prices and salaries back then was heeieeiiy— and salaries back then was heeieeiiy e— and salaries back then was basically 3 to _ and salaries back then was basically 3 to 4— and salaries back then was basically 3 to 4 times at most. ami— basically 3 to 4 times at most. ami when— basically 3 to 4 times at most. ami whem ir— basically 3 to 4 times at most. and when it got— basically 3 to 4 times at most. and when it got to— basically 3 to 4 times at most. and when it got to four times, you— and when it got to four times, you knew— and when it got to four times, you hmew rher— and when it got to four times, you knew that the housing market was you knew that the housing market gerrimg— you knew that the housing market was getting overheated. when imrereer— was getting overheated. when interest rates— was getting overheated. when interest rates went down to nil, pebble— interest rates went down to nil, heohie eii— interest rates went down to nil, people all assumed that that her— people all assumed that that her-wher— people all assumed that that that-what the- people all assumed that that that what the that's how that that's what the that's how it that that's what the that's how ir-remeim— that that's what the that's how it-remain. and- that that's what the that's how it remain. and house it would remain. and house omee— it would remain. and house omee-ro- it would remain. and house prices-to six,- it would remain. and house prices to six, seven, prices went up to six, seven, eighr— prices went up to six, seven, eighr rimee— prices went up to six, seven, eight times annual salaries . so eight times annual salaries. so howee— eight times annual salaries. so house-inflation- eight times annual salaries. so house inflation was house price inflation was im— house price inflation was massive in the- house price inflation was massive in the 12 years after we did massive in the 12 years after we iii oi— massive in the 12 years after we iii oi emi— massive in the 12 years after we iii oi emi we— massive in the 12 years after we did oe and we talk— massive in the 12 years after we did oe and we talk about imieriom— did oe and we talk about inflation now— did oe and we talk about inflation now but actually we've had inflation now but actually we've hei eeeer— inflation now but actually we've had asset price— inflation now but actually we've had asset price quantity after we primrei— had asset price quantity after we printed money to save the heme— we printed money to save the hemhe oeeh— we printed money to save the banks back in— we printed money to save the banks back in 20—

we printed money to save the banks back in 20 and 2009, whemeer ir— banks back in 20 and 2009, whenever it was. _ banks back in 20 and 2009, whenever it was. and we've had eeeer— whenever it was. and we've had massive asset price— whenever it was. and we've had massive asset price inflation as a massive asset price inflation as e reewir— massive asset price inflation as e reewir oi— massive asset price inflation as a result of that. _ massive asset price inflation as a result of that. and now what hewimg— a result of that. and now what we're having is— a result of that. and now what we're having is the bursting of her— we're having is the bursting of her hwhhie. — we're having is the bursting of that bubble. interest rates have gone— that bubble. interest rates have gone wh— that bubble. interest rates have gone up dramatically . people gone up dramatically. people wiri— gone up dramatically. people wit-he— gone up dramatically. people will-be able— gone up dramatically. people will-be able to- gone up dramatically. people will be able to afford to will not be able to afford to pay— will not be able to afford to hey-inhereer— will not be able to afford to pay-interest on- will not be able to afford to pay interest on their pay their interest on their morigegee— pay their interest on their mortgages that is an absolute ieei— mortgages that is an absolute dead certainty— mortgages that is an absolute dead certainty and that is going to dead certainty and that is going ro hmoeh— dead certainty and that is going ro hmoeh inro— dead certainty and that is going to knock into the— dead certainty and that is going to knock into the banking system heeewee— to knock into the banking system because they're _ to knock into the banking system because they're going to default on because they're going to default or her— because they're going to default on their loans— because they're going to default on their loans .— because they're going to default on their loans . and when they on their loans. and when they ieiewir— on their loans. and when they ieiewir om— on their loans. and when they default on their— on their loans. and when they default on their loans, we're rhem— default on their loans, we're hem—e- default on their loans, we're then—a banking then going to get a banking orieie— then going to get a banking orieie .— then going to get a banking orieie . ami— then going to get a banking crisis . and i— then going to get a banking crisis . and i think they're not crisis. and i think they're not heihimg— crisis. and i think they're not helping themselves because they hewem-r— helping themselves because they haven't-interest- helping themselves because they haven't interest rate up haven't put the interest rate up on haven't put the interest rate up or eewimge— haven't put the interest rate up on savings accounts. ”rirzi; on savings accounts. so they are now creaming the profits of what is i know that is it, 44? yeah, i know that they've creaming off the they've been creaming off the people actually ripping off customers. yeah. there's an customers. yeah. and there's an investigation out at the top of bailed them out at the top of that list. some of the earnings of of people at the top of some of the people at the top of some of the people at the top of banks. three point of these banks. three point something million at the head of lloyds. i think it is. have lloyds. i think it is. i have a look at it. it's well, i think it's a critical point you it's a really critical point you make. you know, the banks got us inro— make. you know, the banks got us imro-iimemeiei— make. you know, the banks got us into-financial credit— you know, the banks got us into financial credit crunch into the financial credit crunch of into the financial credit crunch oi-zooe. — into the financial credit crunch of-2008. - know- into the financial credit crunch of-2008. - know , - into the financial credit crunch of 2008. know , gfc, as of the 2008. you know, gfc, as irre— of the 2008. you know, gfc, as ir-e-eeiiei,— of the 2008. you know, gfc, as

it's-called, great- of the 2008. you know, gfc, as it's called, great financial it's now called, great financial iei— it's now called, great financial crisis-banks- it's now called, great financial crisis.-banks that. crisis. it was the banks that got— crisis. it was the banks that gor we— crisis. it was the banks that gor we here. — crisis. it was the banks that got us there. and actually it rhe— got us there. and actually it was the banks— got us there. and actually it was the banks that were bailed out was the banks that were bailed owr emi— was the banks that were bailed owr emi ir— was the banks that were bailed out and it-the_ was the banks that were bailed out and it the banks out and it was the banks executives— out and it was the banks executives who rewarded then executives who rewarded for then this executives who rewarded for then he meeie— executives who rewarded for then this massive asset— executives who rewarded for then this massive asset price imierioh— this massive asset price inflation, including in their own share prices, etcetera, post her— own share prices, etcetera, post rheir reeewe— own share prices, etcetera, post their rescue and,— own share prices, etcetera, post their rescue and, and here they are their rescue and, and here they egeim— their rescue and, and here they eeigm mow— their rescue and, and here they are again now at— their rescue and, and here they are again now at the forefront of he— are again now at the forefront of the creation _ are again now at the forefront of the creation of— are again now at the forefront of the creation of the problem. ami— of the creation of the problem. ami mor— of the creation of the problem. and not passing— of the creation of the problem. and not passing on the higher imrereer— and not passing on the higher interest rate— and not passing on the higher interest rate on— and not passing on the higher interest rate on the higher imrereer— interest rate on the higher interest rates. - interest rate on the higher interest rates. ' r: interest rate on the higher interest rates. r: ”c: interest rates. and they're making profits out of this. and they're charlie they're people like charlie nunn. boss at lloyds nunn. he's the boss at lloyds bank. he is on £37 million in their net income for the bank is 31.1 or 13.1 billion. and we bailed them out to the tune of 20 billion. yeah, nigel, i mean, i think that i agree with with every point that ben has made, which is must be a first, wasn't it? perhaps your last one where it? perhaps your last one where i mighr— it? perhaps your last one where i mighr eii— it? perhaps your last one where it might all lead— it? perhaps your last one where it might all lead to— 7 perhaps your last one where it might all lead to a bank eoiieoee— it might all lead to a bank eoiiehee. i— it might all lead to a bank collapse. i think what has hehhemei— collapse. 1 think what has hehhemei ie— collapse. i think what has happened is that a crash, a howeimg— happened is that a crash, a housing crash— happened is that a crash, a housing crash .— happened is that a crash, a housing crash . yeah. well housing crash. yeah. well i horh. — housing crash. yeah. well i mean, both. yes.- housing crash. yeah. well i mean, both. yes. if the if rhere-e— mean, both. yes. if the if rhere-e e— mean, both. yes. if the if there's a collapse in in housing or heohie— there's a collapse in in housing or heohie hewe— there's a collapse in in housing or people have their homes heoeeeeeei— or people have their homes repossessed and can't afford to

pay— repossessed and can't afford to pay-money— repossessed and can't afford to hey-money oeeh- repossessed and can't afford to pay money back, we obviously pay the money back, we obviously eiieere— pay the money back, we obviously eiieere rhe— pay the money back, we obviously affects the banks. _ pay the money back, we obviously affects the banks. 1— pay the money back, we obviously affects the banks. i think we've got affects the banks. i think we've gor ro— affects the banks. i think we've gor ro weei— affects the banks. i think we've gor ro weei ro— affects the banks. i think we've got to used to low— affects the banks. i think we've got to used to low interest reree—hoimrl got to used to low interest. rates—point that rates which was a point that her— rates which was a point that mei-meie— rates which was a point that that-made and- rates which was a point that that made and what it comes that ben made and what it comes iowm— that ben made and what it comes iowm ro— that ben made and what it comes iowm ro wher— that ben made and what it comes down to what you— that ben made and what it comes down to what you do about it. i eieo— down to what you do about it. i eieo rhimh— down to what you do about it. i also think we— down to what you do about it. i also think we only— down to what you do about it. i also think we only have one weeomo— also think we only have one weeomo ro— also think we only have one weapon to deal— also think we only have one weapon to deal with inflation iowm— weapon to deal with inflation iowm emi— weapon to deal with inflation down and that— weapon to deal with inflation down and that is— weapon to deal with inflation down and that is raising imrereer— down and that is raising interest rates- down and that is raising interest rates . and i cannot see interest rates. and i cannot see how— interest rates. and i cannot see how we— interest rates. and i cannot see how we ger— interest rates. and i cannot see how we can get inflation down wirhowr— how we can get inflation down without mortgages going up considerably— without mortgages going up considerably .— without mortgages going up considerably . so i would say considerably. so i would say growrh. — considerably. so i would say growrh. i— considerably. so i would say growth. i think— considerably. so i would say growth. ” g growth. i think she's right, isn't it? yeah. well, she she is right— isn't it? yeah. well, she she is right hwr— isn't it? yeah. well, she she is right hwr i— isn't it? yeah. well, she she is right. but i mean.— isn't it? yeah. well, she she is right. but i mean. but- c 7 “iii" well, she she is right. but i mean. but but tax ewre— right. but i mean. but but tax ewre eer— right. but i mean. but but tax cuts aren't the— right. but i mean. but but tax cuts aren't the way to go about i. — cuts aren't the way to go about i. we.— cuts aren't the way to go about i. we. her— cuts aren't the way to go about it. no, but but— cuts aren't the way to go about it. no, but but they- cuts aren't the way to go about it. no, but but they are,- cuts aren't the way to go about it. \ri:r \r r:r:i; it. no, but but they are, nigel. that's the point. they have more money— that's the point. they have more money ro— that's the point. they have more momey ro ehemi— that's the point. they have more money to spend to— that's the point. they have more money to spend to start- money to spend to start iieegreeimg— money to spend to start disagreeing again. er?“ ”r:r:i; disagreeing again. i can feel it — disagreeing again. i can feel it hwi— disagreeing again. i can feel it hwr, i— disagreeing again. i can feel it. but, i mean,— disagreeing again. er?“ ”r:r:i; c but, i mean, that's, you it. but, i mean, that's, you know— it. but, i mean, that's, you know, we— it. but, i mean, that's, you know, we were _ c but, i mean, that's, you know, we were told by rishi swmeh— know, we were told by rishi swmeh emi— know, we were told by rishi sunak and jeremy hunt with the hwge— sunak and jeremy hunt with the hwge wiriwowe— sunak and jeremy hunt with the huge virtuous halo heads that eerweiiy— huge virtuous halo heads that actually _wouldl actually cutting taxes would be iweiiimg— actually cutting taxes would be fuelling inflation. ”c; fuelling inflation. but they're owing— fuelling inflation. but they're wrong, they? because wrong, aren't they? because they're not wrong. but let me just tell why they're wrong, just tell you why they're wrong, nigel. if you cut vat, you're cutting price of goods. if cutting the price of goods. if you cut stamp duty, you're cutting the price at which a house trades. cut house trades. if you cut national insurance or income

tax, actually you're cutting the cost of labour and what we've got right now is a broken labour market. and one of the reasons inflation is higher in the united kingdom than it is in other places is because even though we've got job vacancies , though we've got job vacancies, laboun though we've got job vacancies, labour, which is a broken labour market with 5.9 million people on universal credit a record number of people claiming benefits are not moving back into work. so we're getting we're caught out in low growth, high taxation and an inability dodito high taxation and an inability dodi to meet the economic needs of the united kingdom. and on top of that, we've got strikes because he didn't cut taxes. we've got strikes because people can't afford to live. but strikes because we've got inflation. no, but we're in a wieiowe— inflation. no, but we're in a vicious circle,— no, but we're in a vicious circle, nigel. ' r: vicious circle, nigel. and the oniy— vicious circle, nigel. and the oniy wey— vicious circle, nigel. and the only way out is growth. the strikes causing g the strikes causing inflation. strikes are causing inflation. ine— strikes are causing inflation. ihe oniy— strikes are causing inflation. ihe oniy wey— strikes are causing inflation. the only way-is- strikes are causing inflation. the only way is growth, the only way out is growth, the incomes-causing- incomes. so that's causing iniierion— incomes. so that's causing inflation in— incomes. so that's causing inflation in a— incomes. so that's causing inflation in a minor way, but in a inflation in a minor way, but in e mweh— inflation in a minor way, but in emweh-meion— inflation in a minor way, but in a much major, minor way. a much more major, minor way. hen— a much more major, minor way. henleerweiiy— a much more major, minor way. ben-actually suggesting- a much more major, minor way. ben-actually suggesting if- ben is actually suggesting if you start cutting cutting taxes while high inflation, while you've got high inflation, then you pump money the

then you pump money into the economy . once pump economy. and once you pump money. but nigel, that's money. no, but nigel, that's situation keeps going up. a fallacy. the first thing iiergerer— fallacy. the first thing margaret thatcher did, the first hwiger— margaret thatcher did, the first hwiger in— margaret thatcher did, the first budget in 1979,— margaret thatcher did, the first budget in 1979, when inflation er— budget in 1979, when inflation er is,— budget in 1979, when inflation er is, ehe— budget in 1979, when inflation was at 15, she cut— budget in 1979, when inflation was at 15, she cut the higher rere— was at 15, she cut the higher reie oi— was at 15, she cut the higher reie oi rew— was at 15, she cut the higher rate of tax from _ was at 15, she cut the higher rate of tax from 83% to 60. and the rate of tax from 83% to 60. and he heeie— rate of tax from 83% to 60. and the basic rate— rate of tax from 83% to 60. and the basic rate of— rate of tax from 83% to 60. and the basic rate of tax from 33 to so. — the basic rate of tax from 33 to so. wher— the basic rate of tax from 33 to ho. wher yowe— the basic rate of tax from 33 to 30. what you've got to do a winery— 30. what you've got to do a primary obligation of government is primary obligation of government ie ro— primary obligation of government ie ro eiiow— primary obligation of government is to allow people— primary obligation of government is to allow people to keep the money— is to allow people to keep the money rhey— is to allow people to keep the money they earn— is to allow people to keep the money they earn to incentivise rhem — money they earn to incentivise rhem inro — money they earn to incentivise them into the— money they earn to incentivise them into the job— money they earn to incentivise them into the job market. and rhie— them into the job market. and this government— them into the job market. and this government has totally ieiiei— this government has totally failed-really- this government has totally failed really crucial failed in that really crucial endeavour. _ failed in that really crucial. endeavour. _certainly failed in that really crucial- endeavour. _certainly not endeavour. there's certainly not a conservative government endeavour. there's certainly not a consera tive government endeavour. there's certainly not a consera conservative ent because a conservative government would have done something unlike something like that, unlike a labour . god help us, labour government. god help us, god help us, she shouted . god help us, she shouted. you're with me. i'm not quit this is a gb news on tv online and on digital radio. after the break, we'll be talking about capital punishment. you'll hear the thoughts of my head head is nigel nelson and also ben habib. but first, let's get your latest news headlines .

but first, let's get your latest news headlines. in it is 334. good afternoon,— news headlines. in it is 334. good afternoon, aaron- : " it is 334. good afternoon, aaron armstrong here— good afternoon, aaron armstrong here in— good afternoon, aaron armstrong here in he — good afternoon, aaron armstrong here in he eh— good afternoon, aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. the evening— here in the gb newsroom. the ieweiiing wh— here in the gb newsroom. the levelling up secretary, michael gove— levelling up secretary, michael eowe, hee— levelling up secretary, michael gove, has apologised for what here— gove, has apologised for what he's described— gove, has apologised for what he's described as— gove, has apologised for what he's described as unacceptable hehewiowr— he's described as unacceptable hehewiowr er— he's described as unacceptable behaviour at a— he's described as unacceptable behaviour at a conservative ermi— behaviour at a conservative ererr perry— behaviour at a conservative staff party during lockdown in a wiieo— staff party during lockdown in a video obtained— staff party during lockdown in a video obtained by— staff party during lockdown in a video obtained by the mirror party— video obtained by the mirror heriy goere— video obtained by the mirror heriy goere en— video obtained by the mirror party goers can be heard joking ehowr— party goers can be heard joking ehowr heniing— party goers can be heard joking about bending the rules while orhere— about bending the rules while others dance— about bending the rules while others dance in— about bending the rules while others dance in front of tables of others dance in front of tables oi-eni— others dance in front of tables oi-eni irinh— others dance in front of tables of-and drink. two- others dance in front of tables of and drink. two of the 24 of food and drink. two of the 24 heohie— of food and drink. two of the 24 heohie in— of food and drink. two of the 24 people in attendance were named in home— people in attendance were named in boris johnson's— people in attendance were named in boris johnson's resignation honoe— in boris johnson's resignation honoe iier. — in boris johnson's resignation honours list. the— in boris johnson's resignation honours list. the met police eeye— honours list. the met police eeye irre— honours list. the met police says it's aware— honours list. the met police says it's aware of- honours list. the met police says it's aware of the new ioorege— says it's aware of the new roorege eni— says it's aware of the new footage and is— says it's aware of the new footage and is considering it. whore— footage and is considering it. nicola sturgeon— footage and is considering it. nicola sturgeon has again maintained— nicola sturgeon has again maintained she's innocent of any wrongioing— maintained she's innocent of any wrongdoing after— maintained she's innocent of any wrongdoing after being questioned— wrongdoing after being questioned by police investigating snp finances last weeheni— investigating snp finances last weekend. scotland's former first iiinierer— weekend. scotland's former first iiinierer ehohe— weekend. scotland's former first minister spoke as— weekend. scotland's former first minister spoke as she returned home— minister spoke as she returned home for— minister spoke as she returned home for he— minister spoke as she returned home for the first— minister spoke as she returned home for the first time earlier eie— home for the first time earlier ehe— home for the first time earlier since she was— home for the first time earlier since she was arrested and reieeeei— since she was arrested and released without charge . r/ritr. released without charge. you hnow— released without charge. you know. i— released without charge. you know. i eem-r— released without charge. you know, i can't say— released without charge. you know, i can't say very- released without charge. you know, i can't say very much just now what i will say is reiterate the statement issued last sunday. am certain that have done nothing wrong and intend to

be back in parliament in the early part of the week. i'll make myself available for questions then. obviously within the constraints that your parents through right now, for now and tend to go home, catch up with some family. i know i'm a public figure. i accept what comes with that, but i'm also a human being that's entitled to a bit of privacy . more than 10,000 bit of privacy. more than 10,000 heohie— bit of privacy. more than 10,000 heohie newe— bit of privacy. more than 10,000 people have been— c rrirrtg more than 10,000 people have been detected eroeeing— people have been detected crossing the _ people have been detected crossing the english channel in emeri— crossing the english channel in emeii hoere. — crossing the english channel in small boats. so— crossing the english channel in small boats. so far this year. home— small boats. so far this year. home office— small boats. so far this year. home office figures have eoniirmei— home office figures have confirmed crossings have ieeeei— confirmed crossings have increased because of the recent gooi— increased because of the recent gooi weeihen— increased because of the recent good weather. with more than hooe— good weather. with more than 2500 mehing— good weather. with more than 2500 making the— good weather. with more than 2500 making the journey in the peer— 2500 making the journey in the peer week— 2500 making the journey in the peer weeh .— 2500 making the journey in the past week . however, the total past week. however, the total nmeh— past week. however, the total number-crossings- past week. however, the total number crossings this year number of crossings this year heiow— number of crossings this year remains below the equivalent nmeh— remains below the equivalent nmeh er— remains below the equivalent number at this— remains below the equivalent number at this point last year. more— number at this point last year. more on— number at this point last year. more on our stories on our weheiie— more on our stories on our website. that— more on our stories on our website. that is- more on our stories on our website. that is gb news .com. wow— website. that is gb news .com. wow irre— website. that is gb news .com. how he oeeh— website. that is gb news .com. now it's back to— website. that is gb news .com. now it's back to nana .

now it's back to nana. linem— now it's back to nana. |ihenh yow— now it's back to nana. . thank you very- now it's back to nana.l . thank you very much, now it's back to nana. thank you very much, aaron. this i'm nana akua. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. welcome on board. if you've just joined it's fast approaching joined us, it's fast approaching 37 minutes after now stay 37 minutes after 3:00. now stay tuned because on the way next we'll debating whether we we'll be debating whether we should capital should bring back capital punishment the punishment in light of the parole board. green lighting, the double child the release of double child murderer colin pitchfork . you murderer colin pitchfork. you won't want to miss that. stay tuned. that's .

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your thoughts now, sue says the banks have made such huge profits mortgages. isn't it profits from mortgages. isn't it time that they paid the bailout back? the bailout loans given to them in 2008 and 2009? yes, i agree , vicky says mps about mps agree, vicky says mps about mps finding themselves in positions of advantage, real or imagined , of advantage, real or imagined, that most humans will believe that most humans will believe that the rules don't apply to them. people believe that they should set an example are rare. lisa says in the 80s i was paying lisa says in the 80s i was paying a 15.5% mortgage interest rate . wow. then i was told the rate. wow. then i was told the value of my house had dropped and i was in negative equity. i told them to take the keys back and i would leave. they said i could do that, but i was still owed them 40 grand or something similar. oh crikey, what did you do? to follow up on that do? i want to follow up on that story. did stay did you go? story. did you stay did you go? richard labour claimed that richard says labour claimed that they more houses. they will build more houses. houses power and houses that need power and water. need amenities, water. people need amenities, amenities power and water. amenities need power and water. people need jobs . all may people need jobs. all may destroy it. jobs and climate

change may bring about water shortages . i change may bring about water shortages. i he means i get it. al i al al's a good guy. i of course , a and i. al i al al's a good guy. i of course , a and 1. it's all my course, a and 1. it's all my fault , is it? course, a and 1. it's all my fault, is it? listen to course, a and 1. it's all my fault , is it? listen to stay fault, is it? listen to stay with me , please. just bear with with me, please. just bear with me. but let's move on to this story. it's all about the parole board. they recommended that double child killer and rapist colin pitchfork for release despite into despite being recalled into prison only 18 months ago. following concerning behaviour. now the child killer who raped and murdered 15 year old lynn mann and dawn ashworth was sentenced to 30 years behind bars in 1988. and in 2021, the parole board deemed that pitchfork was no longer a danger to the public and he was released. but two months later, he was rearrested and sent back to prison after allegations were made that he was approaching young women in the street. and now the parole board has said that pitchfork can be released again in under what's been described robust conditions, described as robust conditions, which include wearing an which will include wearing an electronic tag following a designated address and internet restrictions . but is this enough

restrictions. but is this enough to deter someone like pitchfork from reoffending ? should we from reoffending? should we consider bringing back the death penalty in cases such as these? so joining me to discuss going head to head is nigel nelson and also ben habib. nigel nelson . also ben habib. nigel nelson. oh, no, no, no, no , no. the oh, no, no, no, no, no. the ieerh— oh, no, no, no, no, no. the ieerh heneiry— oh, no, no, no, no, no. the death penalty has got to be eoneignei— death penalty has got to be consigned to— death penalty has got to be consigned to the dustbin. ' g consigned to the dustbin. a song eerie— consigned to the dustbin. a song ererh ihe— consigned to the dustbin. a song starts like that. well,— consigned to the dustbin. a song starts like that. well, you- consigned to the dustbin. ' g c well, you can starts like that. well, you can eing— starts like that. well, you can eing ir— starts like that. well, you can eing ii for— starts like that. well, you can eing ii for — starts like that. well, you can sing it for us. no,— starts like that. well, you can sing it for us. no, no,- c well, you can sing it for us. no, no, no . c well, you can sing it for us. no, no, no critr sing it for us. no, no, no. got to sing it for us. no, no, no. got he he— sing it for us. no, no, no. got to be concise— sing it for us. no, no, no. got to be concise to— sing it for us. no, no, no. got to be concise to the- sing it for us. no, no, no. got to be concise to the dustbin of history . criminal justice system history. criminal justice system moves on. we don't cut people's noses off or ears off anymore. nobody's saying doing that. were— nobody's saying doing that. were her— nobody's saying doing that. we're just saying execute them. weii — we're just saying execute them. weii >— we're just saying execute them. weii > weir.— we're just saying execute them. well > well, we— we're just saying execute them. well > well, we don't- we're just saying execute them. well 5 kerri“ r:rir" c r:rir" c well > well, we don't we don't execute them anymore either. and i think that's absolutely right. it's unconscionable to use the justice system to kill people . justice system to kill people. never want to see the death penalty , even if they've killed penalty, even if they've killed someone. and we know it's them. it's someone. and we know it's them. we nor— someone. and we know it's them. we nor nor— someone. and we know it's them. we nor nor going— someone. and we know it's them. it's not not going to— someone. and we know it's them. it's not not going to be- and we know it's them. it's not not going to be a miscarriage— it's not not going to be a miscarriage of- it's not not going to be a miscarriage of justice. it's howe— miscarriage of justice. it's hoo/omee.— miscarriage of justice. it's 100% there. maybe there's even wiieo — 100% there. maybe there's even wiieo lrhem — 100% there. maybe there's even video .them doing _ 100% there. maybe there's even video them doing this thing, video of them doing this thing, which— video of them doing this thing, which sometimes— video of them doing this thing, which sometimes have. you which sometimes we have. you eriii— which sometimes we have. you eriii-rher— which sometimes we have. you still that especially if

still think that especially if rhere-e— still think that especially if there'slchild_ still think that especially if there's child involved there's a child killer involved as there's a child killer involved ee weii. — there's a child killer involved ee weii. ihe— there's a child killer involved as well. :" there's a child killer involved as well. :" 7 as well. the question is why? why are doing it? it why are you are doing it? it doesn't stop murders. well, no, no, it's a deterrent. so no, it's not a deterrent. so what you're doing doing is what you're doing is doing is doing something morally appalling thing for. no, no great benefit. well, i haven't answered the _ giiairc c well, i haven't answered the question you asked the answered the question you asked rhe gweeiion— answered the question you asked the question. you've answered it yowreeih— the question. you've answered it yowreeir. why— the question. you've answered it yowreeir. why io— the question. you've answered it yourself. why to save a lot of money — yourself. why to save a lot of money wher— yourself. why to save a lot of money. what do— yourself. why to save a lot of money. what do you think, ben? weir— money. what do you think, ben? weir-iri— money. what do you think, ben? weii-i-i he— money. what do you think, ben? well i'd be probably, well normally, i'd be probably, you well normally, i'd be probably, yow hnow— well normally, i'd be probably, you know, someone like me from my eiie— you know, someone like me from my eiie oi— you know, someone like me from my eiie of ihe— you know, someone like me from my side of the political debate wowii— my side of the political debate wowii he— my side of the political debate would be pro—capital punishment. but would be pro—capital punishment. hwi eeieeiiy— would be pro—capital punishment. but actually, sadly,— would be pro—capital punishment. but actually, sadly, i— would be pro—capital punishment. but actually, sadly, i can't- would be pro—capital punishment. but actually, sadly, i can't get my head around bringing capital punishment back . i, i don't say punishment back. i, i don't say sadly, i can't get my head round it. i mean, i think why? well, because i think all the provisos that you provide in justifying it, know, you know, they're it, you know, you know, they're definitely did it. brutal definitely did it. it was brutal . it was unnecessary, etcetera. it wasn't defence, whatever, you know , there are always know, there are always exceptions those provisos and exceptions to those provisos and you can never send someone to the with 100% certainty the gallows with 100% certainty and one miscarriage of justice.

i don't think so, because we newe— i don't think so, because we hewe wiieo— i don't think so, because we have video evidence, we've got dnar_ have video evidence, we've got ow, eeheeieiiy— have video evidence, we've got dna, especially if— have video evidence, we've got dna, especially if you've even got dna, especially if you've even gor rhem— dna, especially if you've even gor rhem on— dna, especially if you've even got them on video like some of hem,— got them on video like some of gem, hee— got them on video like some of them, where, you— got them on video like some of them, where, you know, eeheeieiiy— them, where, you know, especially some of the where rhey— especially some of the where hey-even- especially some of the where rhey-ewen-el especially some of the where. they - even - a lot they have they even keep a lot of they have they even keep a lot oi-memenroe— they have they even keep a lot of-mementos of- they have they even keep a lot of mementos of the things of their mementos of the things iner— of their mementos of the things mei-heem— of their mementos of the things that-been-just- of their mementos of the things that-been-just toi that they've been doing just to i that they've been doing just to i-hnow— that they've been doing just to i-hnow why— that they've been doing just to i-hnow why rhey- that they've been doing just to i know why they do that, i don't know why they do that, owi— i don't know why they do that, hwr-eerweiiy— i don't know why they do that, but. actually have - i don't know why they do that, but actually have the but you actually have the ewiienee— but you actually have the evidence know, it evidence and you know, it is rhem— evidence and you know, it is rhem .— evidence and you know, it is rhem . in— evidence and you know, it is rhem . in-oi- evidence and you know, it is them . in of these cases them. in many of these cases where— them. in many of these cases where we— them. in many of these cases where we io— them. in many of these cases where we do actually have that phyeieei— where we do actually have that physical evidence. _ where we do actually have that physical evidence. think to physical evidence. so i think to rehe— physical evidence. so i think to whe—ie- physical evidence. so i think toi take—is returning take someone's life is returning us take someone's life is returning we ro— take someone's life is returning we ro en— take someone's life is returning we ro en ege— take someone's life is returning us to an age which— take someone's life is returning us to an age which i would hope eiwiiieerion— us to an age which i would hope civilisation has— us to an age which i would hope civilisation has moved on from . civilisation has moved on from. why— civilisation has moved on from. why ie— civilisation has moved on from. why ie iner— civilisation has moved on from. why is that civilised, though? why— why is that civilised, though? why ie— why is that civilised, though? why ie ii.— why is that civilised, though? why is it. well,— why is that civilised, though? why is it. well, animals if why is it. well, animals and if eomehoiy— why is it. well, animals and if somebody behaves like one and rhey-re— somebody behaves like one and they're literally— somebody behaves like one and they're literally is— somebody behaves like one and they're literally is no point, rhere-e— they're literally is no point, rhere-e no— they're literally is no point, there's no rehabilitation, rhey-re— there's no rehabilitation, rhey-re nor— there's no rehabilitation, they're not and they cost a lot of money— they're not and they cost a lot of money ee— they're not and they cost a lot or money ee yow— they're not and they cost a lot of money as you say, a lot of money — of money as you say, a lot of money so— of money as you say, a lot of money. 50 odd— of money as you say, a lot of money. 50 of money as you say, a lot of- money. 50 odd thousand a year in jail. why are we doing that in perpetuity? well, i mean, it might it might be that if we can't a grip of the can't get a grip of the breakdown in law and order, that we're pushed back towards that position. would be position. i think it would be a great i think it's a sign great shame. i think it's a sign of society where you of a civilised society where you don't someone else's life. don't take someone else's life. kyiv i don't people who kyiv i don't think people who are life

are sentenced to life imprisonment should be released early. i don't. i don't understand how the board understand how the parole board thinks this through. maybe dodi if you know, maybe they should be sent to rwanda. you know, why don't we send them? because rwanda is a good— don't we send them? because rwanda is a good place.- r:rir" c : 7 because rwanda is a good place. why ehowii— rwanda is a good place. why ehowii rhey— rwanda is a good place. why should they get— rwanda is a good place. why should they get that? rwanda but ohey— should they get that? rwanda but ohey, eo— should they get that? rwanda but ohey, eo rer— should they get that? rwanda but oney, eo rei-rer— should they get that? rwanda but okay, so let-let me- should they get that? rwanda but okay, so let let me pitch okay, so let me let me pitch rhie— okay, so let me let me pitch this question— okay, so let me let me pitch this question to— okay, so let me let me pitch this question to you. so you newe— this question to you. so you have there's— this question to you. so you have there's an— this question to you. so you have there's an animal, it kills eomeonel0hey— have there's an animal, it kills someone .okay. so- have there's an animal, it kills someone okay. so what you're someone in. okay. so what you're going— someone in. okay. so what you're going-io— someone in. okay. so what you're goinglio, rerher— someone in. okay. so what you're going do, rather than put going to do, rather than put it iowm— going to do, rather than put it iowm-going- going to do, rather than put it iowm-going ro- going to do, rather than put it down going to put it down is you're going to put it inleege— down is you're going to put it inleege-wo- down is you're going to put iti in lcage. - no, you're in a cage. hang on. no, you're going— in a cage. hang on. no, you're going ro— in a cage. hang on. no, you're going ro owi— in a cage. hang on. no, you're going ro row i.— in a cage. hang on. no, you're going to put it. animals aren't hwemn — going to put it. animals aren't hwemn war,— going to put it. animals aren't human. well, okay. well, humans, we ere-oi— human. well, okay. well, humans, we ere-oi rhe— human. well, okay. well, humans, we are of the animal we are part of the animal eheeiee— we are part of the animal eeheieewe-re- we are part of the animal species, we're sort of species, but we're sort of eenrienr—mel species, but we're sort of- sentient_me answer sentient beings. let me answer the sentient beings. let me answer ihe—me- sentient beings. let me answer ihe—me eeh- sentient beings. let me answer the—me ask the. the question. let me ask the gweeiion— the question. let me ask the question-then- the question. let me ask the question. then you question. and then you can emewe—rhe- question. and then you can- answer_the question, answer the end of the question, heee— answer the end of the question, because-answering- answer the end of the question, because answering the because you're answering the miiiie. — because you're answering the middle. _haven't- because you're answering the middle. haven't got to the middle. and i haven't got to the eni— middle. and i haven't got to the enilimegine— middle. and i haven't got to the end. imagine you've got an end. so imagine you've got an enimei— end. so imagine you've got an enimei righre— end. so imagine you've got an animal right?_has| animal right? the animal has eommirrei— animal right? the animal has committed-of- animal right? the animal has committed of attack animal right? the animal has- committed-of attack or committed some sort of attack or meyhe— committed some sort of attack or meyhe-e— committed some sort of attack or meyhe-e ehiii- committed some sort of attack or maybe-a child or- maybe murdered a child or wherever— maybe murdered a child or whatever-now- maybe murdered a child or whatever- now to whatever you are now going to put— whatever you are now going to row-enimei— whatever you are now going to hwr-enimei in— whatever you are now going to put-animal in a- whatever you are now going to put animal in a cage for put this animal in a cage for he— put this animal in a cage for he ieei— put this animal in a cage for he reer oi— put this animal in a cage for the rest of its— put this animal in a cage for the rest of its life. would that to the rest of its life. would that ro-rher— the rest of its life. would that ro-rher ie— the rest of its life. would that to .that is crueller- the rest of its life. would that to that is crueller than to me, that is crueller than eerweiiy— to me, that is crueller than actually putting— to me, that is crueller than actually putting the animal iowm— actually putting the animal iowm-ie— actually putting the animal down? is putting something down? why is putting something in—rhe— down? why is putting something in—rhe-oi- down? why is putting something in—rhe-oi ire- in a cage for the rest of its ihe— in a cage for the rest of its ihe ieee— in a cage for the rest of its life less cruel— in a cage for the rest of its life less cruel than actually ieerroying— life less cruel than actually destroying . and - life less cruel than actually destroying and moving out destroying it and moving it out

of destroying it and moving it out oi—ir— destroying it and moving it out oi—ir ioeen-r- destroying it and moving it out of_it doesn't have. destroying it and moving it out of it doesn't have to of the way so it doesn't have to put— of the way so it doesn't have to put up— of the way so it doesn't have to row we win— of the way so it doesn't have to put up with that? _ of the way so it doesn't have to put up with that? �*rfirrzigc put up with that? well, i think you make a very good point. i think it's quite there's a lot of involved in of retribution involved in locking forever. and locking someone up forever. and you and deserve you know, and they deserve retribution. will be retribution. the animal will be put down, i think, in all. well, that's point. know that. that's the point. we know that. oh, it's too to cruel put oh, well, it's too to cruel put rhe— oh, well, it's too to cruel put ihe-in— oh, well, it's too to cruel put ihe-in rhe— oh, well, it's too to cruel put the-in the cage. - oh, well, it's too to cruel put the in the cage. we can't the animal in the cage. we can't do the animal in the cage. we can't io iner— the animal in the cage. we can't io her win— the animal in the cage. we can't do that with an— the animal in the cage. we can't do that with an animal. it'd be rewire— do that with an animal. it'd be rerrihie. hwr— do that with an animal. it'd be terrible. but we— do that with an animal. it'd be terrible. but we do that terrible. but we can do that win— terrible. but we can do that win e— terrible. but we can do that with a human.— terrible. but we can do that with a human. and i understand iner— with a human. and i understand rherlyowr— with a human. and i understand rherlyowr hoinr— with a human. and i understand thatlyour point is— with a human. and i understand that your point is that it is that if your point is that it is erwei— that if your point is that it is erwei eni— that if your point is that it is cruel and - be - that if your point is that it is cruel and be uncivil ized, cruel and we'll be uncivil ized, rhen— cruel and we'll be uncivil ized, rhen-iwer— cruel and we'll be uncivil ized, then just debunking it by then i'm just debunking it by eeying— saying, well, actually, it's ooeir— saying, well, actually, it'si cooler—cruel cooler to do the less cruel hing,— cooler to do the less cruel hing-ieee— cooler to do the less cruel thing,-less cruel- cooler to do the less cruel thing, less cruel thing. i'm thing, the less cruel thing. i'm heimg— thing, the less cruel thing. i'm heimg-rewiring- thing, the less cruel thing. i'm being putting this being kind by putting this heeon— being kind by putting this person showing person down. i'm showing hinineee. — person down. i'm showing kindness. but- person down. i'm showing kindness. f�*“ kindness. but animals are different to human beings, aren't they? they're not what do you aren't they? they're not what do yow—eren-r- aren't they? they're not what doi you _ aren't sentient you mean animals aren't sentient heingee —hnow- you mean animals aren't sentienti beings? _know you're beings? how do you know you're not an animal? well, you are. but humans. be argued but humans. it could be argued that animals. we are that humans or animals. we are animals. we kill animals to eat. see— animals. we kill animals to eat. see-irre— animals. we kill animals to eat. so?lit's nor— animals. we kill animals to eat. so? it's not unusual for an so? so it's not unusual for an animal be killed by human animal to be killed by human beings. us? we don't eat humans unless you get your or you come. you down plane the you come down in a plane in the andes. from that, we andes. but aside from that, we don't it. i mean, there is

don't do it. i mean, there is there is a dignity. you come down in a plane,— there is a dignity. you come down in a plane, in- cairn; g cg you come down in a plane, in the end, you get down in a plane, in the end, you gei very— down in a plane, in the end, you gei wery eieh— down in a plane, in the end, you get very sick human life. that is get very sick human life. that ie-hoinr. — get very sick human life. that ie-hoinr. ani— get very sick human life. that is-point. and we- get very sick human life. that is point. r: : is the point. and we should preserve human life at all costs. and you have costs. and what you can't have is a judicial system carrying out whose out judicial murder whose life though human rights though preserving human rights at all costs. you're saying her.— at all costs. you're saying her. hwr— at all costs. you're saying that. but this— i you're saying that. but this person could go out that. but this person could go owr-so— that. but this person could go owr-so-eeiil that. but this person could goi out-so-said, but out again. so like you said, but hey— out again. so like you said, but mey-he— out again. so like you said, but rhey-he gag,- they shouldn't be there, ehowiin-r— they shouldn't be there, shouldn't released. they shouldn't be there, shouldn't-released. they shouldn't be released. but they are shouldn't be released. but they ee-o ier-e— shouldn't be released. but they ee-o ier-e go— shouldn't be released. but they are-so let's go to- shouldn't be released. but they are so let's go to the are being so let's go to the reeiiry— are being so let's go to the reeiiry oi— are being so let's go to the reality of where— are being so let's go to the reality of where we are. well, rhere-e— reality of where we are. well, there's—through. there's a bill going through heriiemenr— there's a bill going through parliament which should parliament which which should eroh— parliament which which should stop-ministers,- parliament which which should stop ministers, but it stop that give ministers, but it heem-r— stop that give ministers, but it hasn't-kwarteng,- stop that give ministers, but it hasn't kwarteng, pitchfork stop that give ministers, but it hasrcolin kwarteng, pitchfork stop that give ministers, but it hasrcolin pitchforkg, pitchfork stop that give ministers, but it hasrcolin pitchforkg, pitbe,)rk stop that give ministers, but it hasrcolin pitchforkg, pitbe, by and colin pitchfork will be, by the and colin pitchfork will be, by ihe-mie— and colin pitchfork will be, by ihe-rhie he- and colin pitchfork will be, by the this, be released. the looks of this, be released. wher— the looks of this, be released. wherlhe— the looks of this, be released. whatlhe then— the looks of this, be released. whatlhe then-out- the looks of this, be released. what he then out and what if he then goes out and men— what if he then goes out and then murders— what if he then goes out and then murders a— what if he then goes out and then murders a member of eomehoiy— then murders a member of somebody-you- then murders a member of somebody you know who's somebody who you know who's eioee — somebody who you know who's eioee-vow-i— somebody who you know who's close _you'd be - somebody who you know who's close you'd be like, why close to you? you'd be like, why did close to you? you'd be like, why iii—owe- close to you? you'd be like, why iii—owre ir- close to you? you'd be like, whyi did _out? it would did this man come out? it would be did this man come out? it would he—rrein.— did this man come out? it would he—rrein. ani- did this man come out? it would be_train. and he- be an absolute train. and he ehowii.— be an absolute train. and he ehowii. — be an absolute train. and he ehowii. ir— be an absolute train. and he should. it would- be an absolute train. and he should. c : should. it would be a total tragedy. and if it was should. it would be a total- tragedy. and if it was somebody eioee— tragedy. and if it was somebody eioee ro— tragedy. and if it was somebody eioee ro me— tragedy. and if it was somebody eioee ro i— tragedy. and if it was somebody close to me, i would— 3: and if it was somebody close to me, i would not be in a hoeirion— close to me, i would not be in a hoeirionlmehe— close to me, i would not be in a position-make a— close to me, i would not be in a position make a decent position to make a decent higemenh— judgement. that's what exactly iner— judgement. that's what exactly mei—hewe- judgement. that's what exactly that—have the- judgement. that's what exactly that have the courts that is what we have the courts ion — that is what we have the courts ion weir.— that is what we have the courts for. well, that's— that is what we have the courts for. well, that's what- that is what we have the courts for. well, that's what i'm saying. but if you put yourself in the position of the person who, of who is affected who, of somebody who is affected by crime, i think that this by this crime, i think that this leniency that this justice system i just

system is showing is i just don't they don't understand why are they even considering that he should come well, i so let's come out? well, i mean, so let's say been found guilty say blair had been found guilty of illegally in of going to war illegally in iraq. would you have executed hieire— iraq. would you have executed here—hnowe- blair? would you know? no, heee— blair? would you know? no, heee i— blair? would you know? no, heee i i— blair? would you know? no, because i, i mean, millions of heohie— because i, i mean, millions of heohie-veeh- because i, i mean, millions of people-yeah, but- because i, i mean, millions of people _yeah, but but,| because i, i mean, millions of. people _yeah, but but, you people died. yeah, but but, you know, that's an illegal war that would have actually. let would have been an actually. let me honest with you. me let me be honest with you. yeah like to if i'm yeah i would like to if i'm honest, if you ask me for that. yes. i'm joking, tony. i'm yes. no, i'm joking, tony. i'm mean. but what i'm saying is for people, individuals who have committed we committed heinous crimes that we know committed we've know they've committed and we've seen committing know they've committed and we've seencrime, committing know they've committed and we've seencrime, don't committing know they've committed and we've seencrime, don't seeimitting know they've committed and we've seencrime, don't see anyting that crime, i don't see any reason why we should be paying for them in prison for many, many and i the many years. and i think the kindest, kindest thing to do would kill someone. to would be to kill someone. to save money even worse. i save money is even worse. i save money is even worse. i mean, wrong with that? mean, what's wrong with that? im — mean, what's wrong with that? im -ion-i— mean, what's wrong with that? i'm _don't understand. i i'm sorry. i don't understand. well, i'm lost for words. what? whee-e— well, i'm lost for words. what? what's wrong? i've— well, i'm lost for words. �*rfir 7 �*rfirairc whirr’ag7’ i've always lost what's wrong? i've always lost worie— what's wrong? i've always lost woie—we.- what's wrong? i've always lost words. no, i'm not. words. you said it. no, i'm not. im— words. you said it. no, i'm not. in moi.— words. you said it. no, i'm not. in noi. ii— words. you said it. no, i'm not. i'm not. it makes— words. you said it. no, i'm not. i'm not. it makes perfect- words. you said it. \rr:i:r i'm not. it makes perfect sense to i'm not. it makes perfect sense io ne— i'm not. it makes perfect sense io i— i'm not. it makes perfect sense io i ion-i— i'm not. it makes perfect sense to me. i don't want.— i'm not. it makes perfect sense to me. i don't want. listen ihere-e— to me. i don't want. listen there's levi— to me. i don't want. listen there's levi bellfield. so he is a mass murderer.— there's levi bellfield. so he is a mass murderer. he killed. a mass murderer. he is killed. he a mass murderer. he is killed. he—hiiiinge- a mass murderer. he is killed. he_killings of. he admitted the killings of oihere— he admitted the killings of oihere. we— he admitted the killings of others. we know he's killed pebble-— others. we know he's killed heohie. here— others. we know he's killed people. he's tried kill people. he's even tried to kill.

someone who then managed to eeeeeh— someone who then managed to eeeeeh ihenh— someone who then managed to escape. thank god he is in whom— escape. thank god he is in whom ei— escape. thank god he is in prison at the— escape. thank god he is in prison at the moment. he is now. here— prison at the moment. he is now. here-merriei— prison at the moment. he is now. he's_married.prison.. he's getting married in prison. ani— he's getting married in prison. ami—ehe- he's getting married in prison. ami—ehe iol he's getting married in prison.| and—able to use and in fact, he was able to use our money so taxpayers money our money so the taxpayers money to our money so the taxpayers money io-ihe— our money so the taxpayers money io-ihe ee— our money so the taxpayers money io-ihe eo— our money so the taxpayers money to-the case so that- our money so the taxpayers money to the case so that he to fight the case so that he eowii— to fight the case so that he eowii-he— to fight the case so that he could be allowed to marry could then be allowed to marry in whom.— could then be allowed to marry in prison. yeah,— could then be allowed to marry in prison. yeah, right. why on eerihe— in prison. yeah, right. why on eerihe war,— in prison. yeah, right. why on earth? well, this— in prison. yeah, right. why on earth? well, this is money we eheni— earth? well, this is money we eheni-ihie- earth? well, this is money we. spent-this-thing spent money on this legal thing for spent money on this legal thing ior-hereon— spent money on this legal thing for-person who— spent money on this legal thing for-person who is- spent money on this legal thing for person who is a for this person who is a- murderer,-murderer. but murderer, a mass murderer. but yow— murderer, a mass murderer. but yew-yow— murderer, a mass murderer. but yew-yew wowii— murderer, a mass murderer. but you-you would have- murderer, a mass murderer. but you you would have had him you would you would have had him executed before he could. he could caught his money, executed before he could. he could havecaught his money, executed before he could. he could have beenit his money, executed before he could. he could have been saved. that would have been saved. that money would - been - would have been saved. that. money would -been saved. would have been saved. that- money would-been saved. and money would have been saved. and that money would have been saved. and ihei-i— money would have been saved. and ihei-i ion-i— money would have been saved. and that-i don't know- money would have been saved. and that i don't know why or that woman, i don't know why or how—yow— that woman, i don't know why or how—yow hnow- that woman, i don't know why or how—you know. but. that woman, i don't know why ori how—you know. but no how or why, but you know. but no iegei— how or why, but you know. but no iegei-ie— how or why, but you know. but no legal-is infallible.- how or why, but you know. but no legal-is infallible. - how or why, but you know. but no legal is infallible. 'r: legal system is infallible. and here— legal system is infallible. and mere-he— legal system is infallible. and there-be mistakes- legal system is infallible. and there be mistakes made. there will be mistakes made. but one wouldn't have been but this one wouldn't have been a but this one wouldn't have been e-so— but this one wouldn't have been e-so i— but this one wouldn't have been a-so i understand,- but this one wouldn't have been a so i understand, and a mistake. so i understand, and i a mistake. so i understand, and i—when— a mistake. so i understand, and i—when yow- a mistake. so i understand, and i_when you know. i accept. but when you know heyoni— i accept. but when you know beyond, would _ i accept. but when you know beyond, would you introduce enoiher— another category of crime then eon— another category of crime then eon-gwiiiy— another category of crime then eon-gwiiiy oi- another category of crime then sort-guilty of first. sort of you're guilty of first iegree— sort of you're guilty of first iegree-hwi- sort of you're guilty of first degree - but we - sort of you're guilty of first degree but we haven't degree murder, but we haven't got degree murder, but we haven't goi ihe— degree murder, but we haven't goi ihe hini— degree murder, but we haven't got the kind of— degree murder, but we haven't got the kind of evidence that wowii— got the kind of evidence that would require— got the kind of evidence that would require would enable would require us would enable us to. would require us would enable us io—so— would require us would enable us io—so-ie- to. absolutely. so what it is, is to. absolutely. so what it is, ie-ii— to. absolutely. so what it is, ie-ii ie— to. absolutely. so what it is, ie-ii ie ii-e— to. absolutely. so what it is, is-it is, it's an- to. absolutely. so what it is, is it is, it's an option on is what it is, it's an option on ihe— is what it is, it's an option on ihe-e— is what it is, it's an option on ihe-e iii— is what it is, it's an option on the-a bit like,- is what it is, it's an option on the-a bit like, you- is what it is, it's an option on the a bit like, you know, the table, a bit like, you know, hrexii— the table, a bit like, you know, hrexii wiih— the table, a bit like, you know, brexit with with— the table, a bit like, you know, brexit with with leaving without wiih — brexit with with leaving without wiih no — brexit with with leaving without wiih no-ihei— brexit with with leaving without with no _that was - brexit with with leaving without with no _that was the. brexit with with leaving without with no deal. that was the best deal. the best deal— with no deal. that was the best deal. the best deal was- with no deal. : the best deal was no deal. deal. the best deal was no deal. ihei— deal. the best deal was no deal. ihei we— deal. the best deal was no deal. ihei en— deal. the best deal was no deal. that was an interesting segway. i thought we into brexit i thought we can get into brexit now. let's do brexit. i'm much

more comfortable with brexit. well, so. so yeah. you know well, so. so yeah. so you know my— well, so. so yeah. so you know my-i_ well, so. so yeah. so you know my-i ion-i- well, so. so yeah. so you know my-i ion-i weni- well, so. so yeah. so you knowi my-i don't want-be my thoughts. i don't want to be paying— my thoughts. i don't want to be paying-people— my thoughts. i don't want to be paying people like this, paying for people like this, eeheeieiiy— paying for people like this, especially know they've especially when i know they've iome— especially when i know they've iome-hing,— especially when i know they've done .thing, this - especially when i know they've done thing, this heinous done this thing, this heinous crime-hing- done this thing, this heinous crime. bring back crime. i would bring back eehiiei— crime. i would bring back capital punishment. but as ben eeye.— capital punishment. but as ben eeye-yow— capital punishment. but as ben says, you never be 100% says, you you can never be 100% certain it right. certain you've got it right. well, can you've well, yes, you can if you've actually they've admitted it. you've they've got it. you've seen it. they've got it. ihe— you've seen it. they've got it. ihe heeon— you've seen it. they've got it. the person managed to the person who has managed to run-someone who's- the person who has managed to run someone who's managed the person who has managed to ruiescape someone who's managed the person who has managed to ruiescape them,rne who's managed the person who has managed to ruiescape them, tryingo's managed the person who has managed to ruiescape them, trying to managed the person who has managed to ruiescape them, trying to killiaged to escape them, trying to kill ihem. — to escape them, trying to kill ihem. -hnow- to escape them, trying to kill them. know they've done them. and we know they've done it them. and we know they've done rr-ow,_ them. and we know they've done it - dna, everything - it all. the dna, everything hoinie— it all. the dna, everything hoinie io— it all. the dna, everything hoinie io ii.— it all. the dna, everything points to it. but the thing ehowi— points to it. but the thing ehowi eowri— points to it. but the thing about court cases, they're not eheoiwiee— about court cases, they're not absolutes that— about court cases, they're not absolutes that taken an absolutes that you've taken an eheoiwie. — absolutes that you've taken an absolute. _there. absolutes that you've taken an. absolute. _there will absolute. at one end there will be a of areas coming be a load of grey areas coming further in which case no further down in which case no one would ever get prosecuted with if we kept with anything if we kept everything grey. and we everything in the grey. and we know-something's- g " gig and we know something's actually know that something's actually heem—me,- been perpetrated. so for me, eomeihing— been perpetrated. so for me, eomeihing-ie- been perpetrated. so for me,| something-is.just something like this is an just rowing—oeeh- something like this is an just rolling _ back a . something like this is an just. rolling—back a bit. rolling the debate back a bit. vow— rolling the debate back a bit. you presumably— rolling the debate back a bit. you presumably do— rolling the debate back a bit. you presumably do agree- rolling the debate back a bit. you presumably do agree now that we that we don't have we given that we don't have capital that this capital punishment, that this guy should never have been released been released from jail, never been released. parole released. and so the parole system be reformed. and system has to be reformed. and when put in jail for when someone is put in jail for a minimum of 30 years, they should shouldn't should serve 30 years, shouldn't they? can we agree they? nigel, can we can we agree

on would agree on that. on that? i would agree on that. in on that? i would agree on that. in ihie— on that? i would agree on that. in ihie ee— on that? i would agree on that. in ihie i— on that? i would agree on that. in this case, i don't— c�*rirc7 i would agree on that. in this case, i don't think coin— in this case, i don't think colin pitchfork- in this case, i don't think colin pitchfork should have got heroie. —hewe- colin pitchfork should have gotj parole. _have got parole. he shouldn't have got parole. he shouldn't have got parole. as if it were he parole. and as if it were me, he wouldn't right, wouldn't be here now. right, let's to one. let's move on to this one. it's the chief rabbi. he's advised schools that they should not notify children notify parents of children who are who say that they are transgender. now this comes transgender. and now this comes as guidance suggests that information regarding staff or pupil sexuality or gender identity should be treated as confidential parents confidential and that parents should this should not be told. now, this was apparently raises was because apparently it raises a concern a safeguarding concern as teachers know the parents teachers do not know the parents and might react and how they might react to the news has come news that their child has come out therefore they out as trans. therefore they shouldn't be told about it. and this despite prime this is despite the prime minister being very concerned that not contacting that teachers are not contacting families when their child questions own gender. questions their own gender. so do that teachers are do you think that teachers are actually our kids actually putting our kids at risk disclosing risk for not disclosing important information like this? so joining me to discuss this is nigel nelson, political commentator and also member of reform and former mep ben habib. ben, so i think the way the story was described isn't entirely accurate . i think entirely accurate. i think there's a bill— entirely accurate. i think there's a bill or- entirely accurate. i think there's a bill or a- rzi; ”clear irrirt. i think there's a bill or a proposed law in heriiemeni— there's a bill or a proposed law in parliament which is going to

eiiow— in parliament which is going to allow teachers— in parliament which is going to allow teachers to _ in parliament which is going to allow teachers to decide whether or noi— allow teachers to decide whether or noi ihey— allow teachers to decide whether or not they tell— allow teachers to decide whether or not they tell parents that ihei— or not they tell parents that ihei ehiii— or not they tell parents that that child is— or not they tell parents that that child is and chief rabbi iiirwie— that child is and chief rabbi iiirwie ene— that child is and chief rabbi mirvis came out— that child is and chief rabbi mirvis came out against that law . ani— mirvis came out against that law . ani i— mirvis came out against that law . and i completely— mirvis came out against that law . and i completely support him. i . and i completely support him. i ihinh— . and i completely support him. i ihinh ii— . and i completely support him. i ihinh ii ie— . and i completely support him. i think it is utter— . and i completely support him. i think it is utter lunacy that we wowii— i think it is utter lunacy that we would even— i think it is utter lunacy that we would even consider teaching ehiiiren— we would even consider teaching ehiiiren or— we would even consider teaching children or discussing transgender- children or discussing transgender the possibility of heme— transgender the possibility of trans gendering_ transgender the possibility of trans gendering before they're meiwe— trans gendering before they're meiwe .— trans gendering before they're mature , sexually mature adults . mature, sexually mature adults. ani— mature, sexually mature adults. ani io— mature, sexually mature adults. and to withhold _ mature, sexually mature adults. and to withhold that information eeiion— and to withhold that information eeiion which— and to withhold that information action, which is— and to withhold that information action, which is so— and to withhold that information action, which is so crucial from action, which is so crucial from e perem— action, which is so crucial from e hereni, ie— action, which is so crucial from ehereni, ie en— action, which is so crucial from a parent, is an abominable oi— a parent, is an abominable version of their— a parent, is an abominable version of their position as ieeehere— version of their position as teachers. and— version of their position as teachers. and i— version of their position as teachers. and i think it goes to the teachers. and i think it goes to ihe heem— teachers. and i think it goes to ihe heeri oi— teachers. and i think it goes to ihe heeri oi e— teachers. and i think it goes to the heart of a much bigger rrohiem— the heart of a much bigger rrohiem in— the heart of a much bigger problem in our— the heart of a much bigger problem in our society, which is ihei— problem in our society, which is ihei heir— problem in our society, which is that pair parents.— problem in our society, which is that pair parents. and this is as that pair parents. and this is ee e reewii— that pair parents. and this is as a result of— that pair parents. and this is as a result of state action, herenie— as a result of state action, herenie ee— as a result of state action, parents are increasingly ehrogeiing— parents are increasingly abrogating their parental responsibilities to the state. were — responsibilities to the state. were giving— responsibilities to the state. were giving wh— responsibilities to the state. we're giving up the responsibility motty to bring our children— responsibility motty to bring our children up— responsibility motty to bring our children up to the state, eni— our children up to the state, eni ihe— our children up to the state, and the state— our children up to the state, and the state is— our children up to the state, and the state is not good at wringing— and the state is not good at bringing children up and, you hnow— bringing children up and, you know, we've got— bringing children up and, you know, we've got to ditch all

ihie— know, we've got to ditch all this nonsense. _ know, we've got to ditch all this nonsense. parents have to iehe— this nonsense. parents have to iehe oeeh— this nonsense. parents have to take back much— this nonsense. parents have to take back much more responsibility. motty any responsibility. motty and any ieeeher— responsibility. motty and any teacher withholding crucial information— teacher withholding crucial information of— teacher withholding crucial information of any nature on egg.— information of any nature on ihein yow— information of any nature on their, you know,— information of any nature on their, you know, on on, on on herenie— their, you know, on on, on on herenie ehiii— their, you know, on on, on on parents child that— their, you know, on on, on on parents child that they may have the parents child that they may have ihe iemhorery— parents child that they may have the temporary care— parents child that they may have the temporary care for should be ihei— the temporary care for should be iirei . — the temporary care for should be iirei . hei— the temporary care for should be fired . but but— the temporary care for should be fired . but but the— the temporary care for should be fired . f fired. but but the teacher surely must put the best interests of the child first. no but but the teacher is not a parent. no, i understand that . parent. no, i understand that. but if you have a child who comes to a teacher and talks the teacher in confidence about their sexuality or about their gender identity and says, i want this conversation in confidence and i'm not sure myself where i want to go with it. surely the teacher must must have the right to say, i will respect that confidence and won't tell your parents. yes. so what the government is talking about the government is talking about the government legislation that is going through is to give guidance for teachers, the kind of guidance will be if a child changes uniform name or pronouns, then and then parents should be informed. now, for

most parents, that's going to be going to be obvious anyway, isn't it? they're going to come home when they've home in a skirt when they've left in trousers or something. so parent see but so parent would see that. but that's different. that's that's very different. that's the an outward the child making an outward demonstration of what they want to do and the parents should know about it . oh, this to do and the parents should know about it. oh, this is just to know about it. oh, this is just io me— know about it. oh, this is just io i— know about it. oh, this is just io i ihinh— know about it. oh, this is just to me, i think the— know about it. oh, this is just to me, i think the i,- know about it. oh, this is just to me, i think the i, i- c oh, this is just to me, i think the i, i can't oi— to me, i think the i, i can't conceive of a— to me, i think the i, i can't conceive of a circumstance where a conceive of a circumstance where eieeeher— conceive of a circumstance where eieeeher wowii— conceive of a circumstance where a teacher would know something ehowi— a teacher would know something ehowi e— a teacher would know something ehowi e ehiii— a teacher would know something about a child of— a teacher would know something about a child of a— a teacher would know something about a child of a serious meie— about a child of a serious neie eni— about a child of a serious nature and has- about a child of a serious nature and has the ability or righi— nature and has the ability or righi io— nature and has the ability or right to withhold it from the herenie— right to withhold it from the herenie oi— right to withhold it from the parents of that— right to withhold it from the parents of that child . parents of that child. the ieeoher— parents of that child. the teacher says, _ parents of that child. the teacher says, look,- parents of that child. the teacher says, look, look, look, miss, i think i might be gay. would the teacher not be doing the right thing to respect that confidence and try and steer that child through those concerns ? but but i would say concerns? but but i would say ihei— concerns? but but i would say ihei i— concerns? but but i would say ihei i ion-i— concerns? but but i would say that i don't think— ii7 but but i would say that i don't think that that's an that i don't think that that's en egwei— that i don't think that that's an equal comparison to saying ihei— an equal comparison to saying ihei yow— an equal comparison to saying that your gender— an equal comparison to saying that your gender identity is iiiiereni— that your gender identity is different because there is a hreoeee— different because there is a hroeee ihei— different because there is a process that you could then end up process that you could then end we emhroiiei— process that you could then end up embroiled in— process that you could then end up embroiled in that could see you— up embroiled in that could see yow on— up embroiled in that could see yow on e— up embroiled in that could see you on a roller— up embroiled in that could see you on a roller coaster of ireneiiion. — you on a roller coaster of transition. so— you on a roller coaster of transition. so i- you on a roller coaster of transition. so i think that that

is transition. so i think that that ie eimoei— transition. so i think that that is almost that— transition. so i think that that is almost that can almost medicalize_ is almost that can almost medicalize your situation. i ihinh— medicalize your situation. i think that's— medicalize your situation. i think that's and— medicalize your situation. i think that's and it also and it ereo— think that's and it also and it eieo eni— think that's and it also and it eieo eni e— think that's and it also and it also and a more— think that's and it also and it also and a more sinister level i ihinh— also and a more sinister level i ihinh iie— also and a more sinister level i think it's giving— also and a more sinister level i think it's giving cover to ieeehere— think it's giving cover to teachers who— think it's giving cover to teachers who are teaching this hini— teachers who are teaching this hini oi— teachers who are teaching this kind of nonsense— teachers who are teaching this kind of nonsense in schools, you hnow— kind of nonsense in schools, you know, io— kind of nonsense in schools, you know, to promote— kind of nonsense in schools, you know, to promote their ideology wiihowi— know, to promote their ideology without. parents— know, to promote their ideology without parents knowing what without the parents knowing what the without the parents knowing what ihe-ie— without the parents knowing what ihe-ie going— without the parents knowing what ihe-ie going — without the parents knowing what the is going on. 'r: the hell is going on. and this is e— the hell is going on. and this is e genier— the hell is going on. and this is a gender ideology. this the hell is going on. 'r: g: :g this isn't is a gender ideology. this isn't a is a gender ideology. this isn't e eeeweiiiy. — is a gender ideology. this isn't a sexuality. this— is a gender ideology. this isn't a sexuality. this is— is a gender ideology. this isn't a sexuality. this is a- g: :g this isn't a sexuality. this is a gender iieoiogy— a sexuality. this is a gender iieoiogy-ie- a sexuality. this is a gender ideology-isllittle. a sexuality. this is a gender ideology is little bit ideology which is a little bit eoneemhg— ideology which is a little bit concerning at— ideology which is a little bit concerning at the moment. you hnow— concerning at the moment. you know, someone's— concerning at the moment. you know, someone's saying they're gay know, someone's saying they're gey—eireighi- know, someone's saying they're gey—eireighi orl gay or, you know, straight or wheiewer. — gay or, you know, straight or whatever. _that's- gay or, you know, straight or- whatever. _that's-what whatever. that's that's not what we-re—ieweii we're talking about. low level eiwii— we're talking about. low level stuff mean, you want stuff where i mean, if you want to it to the to gender to keep it to the to gender identity, that can be pretty low level where a is saying, level where a child is saying, i'm not sure at the moment i'm just not sure at the moment what i to do . well, that's what i want to do. well, that's why ihey— what i want to do. well, that's why they should— r:r:ir well, that's why they should consult parents enywey. — why they should consult parents enywey. _h- why they should consult parentsi enywey. —io ihe anyway. they should talk to the parents. but but then you do have safeguarding issue. what have a safeguarding issue. what if parents you have a if the if the parents you have a eeiegweriing— if the if the parents you have a safeguarding issue, how can the eeiegweriing— safeguarding issue, how can the safeguarding parents safeguarding if the parents if the—absolutely. the parents are absolutely epheiiei— the parents are absolutely epheiiei hy— the parents are absolutely appalled by all the appalled by this and all the ehiii— appalled by this and all the ehiii-io— appalled by this and all the child-to do,- appalled by this and all the child-to do, too,- appalled by this and all the child to do, too, is child wants to do, too, is iieewee— child wants to do, too, is discuss this— child wants to do, too, is discuss this with somebody owieiie— discuss this with somebody outside that— discuss this with somebody outside that is— discuss this with somebody outside that is the state's eeeoni— outside that is the state's second guessing parents? “in; second guessing parents? yes. i irre— second guessing parents? yes. i ii-e en— second guessing parents? yes. i mean, it's an abomination . then mean, it's an abomination. then

how can that be allowed , nigel, how can that be allowed, nigel, that a teacher can decide that i'm going to have information on this child that the parent can't know, but it could well be if i tell nana something in confidence and i say, please don't tell ben you're an adult. i would hope that nana wouldn't tell i would hope that nana wouldn't ieii—en- i would hope that nana wouldn't ieii—en eiwii- tell you, but you're an adult eni— tell you, but you're an adult and we're not— tell you, but you're an adult and we're not in— tell you, but you're an adult and we're not in school. �*rfirrzigc and we're not in school. well. war,— and we're not in school. well. wen, yow— and we're not in school. well. well, you sound— and we're not in school. well. well, you sound like— and we're not in school. �*rfirrzigc well, you sound like you are hehewing— well, you sound like you are behaving like— well, you sound like you are behaving like kids. the nighimere— behaving like kids. the nightmare. look i don't see why teachers should withhold any information from the parents, especially if it belongs that information should be shared with the parents. and the parents made aware of parents should be made aware of this. i think. this. that's what i think. but what you think? keep in what do you think? keep in touch. news tv, touch. this is gb news on tv, onune touch. this is gb news on tv, online digital on online and on digital radio. on the way. i've got the on the way. i've got a little monologue for you with regard to the death penalty, but keep coming . so keep all your views coming. so much in the next plus much more in the next hour. plus whether you think the labour party of hiding behind party are kind of hiding behind all this tory nonsense, that all this tory nonsense, all that is on the way after this .

hello, good afternoon and welcome. this is gb news on tv, onune welcome. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting headlines right now hitting the headlines right now . show about . this show is all about opinion. mine , it's theirs. opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times no times we will disagree, but no one cancelled . joining one will be cancelled. joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton and and and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. good afternoon. coming up your latest news headlines. - - good afternoon. coming up to good afternoon. coming up to 4:01. - good afternoon. coming up to hei-aiiieon— . good afternoon. coming up to 4:01.-addison in- . good afternoon. coming up to 4:01.-addison in the- 4:01. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. .top - 4:01. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. top story this newsroom. our top story this how— newsroom. our top story this how ihe— newsroom. our top story this hour, the met— newsroom. our top story this hour, the met police says it's aware _footage - hour, the met police says it's aware footage showing aware of new footage showing wiv— aware of new footage showing concern lviv staff— aware of new footage showing concern lviv staff partying iwring— concern lviv staff partying

during lockdown and joking about cowh— during lockdown and joking about covid restrictions— during lockdown and joking about covid restrictions bars and is eoneiiering— covid restrictions bars and is considering it— covid restrictions bars and is considering it. _ covid restrictions bars and is considering it . ii i g considering it. michael gove, the levelling up secretary, has apologised , describing the apologised, describing the behaviour as unacceptable in the footage obtained by the mirror. tory staff can be seen ignoring social distancing rules imposed by the conservative government at the height of the pandemic. two of the 24 people at that christmas party were later named in boris johnson's resignation honours list. mr gove told us that disciplinary action has already been taken . the reason already been taken. the reason why ihoee— already been taken. the reason why ihoee eiehe— already been taken. the reason why those steps were- the reason why those steps were taken was to why those steps were taken was io reiwe— why those steps were taken was io reiwe ihe— why those steps were taken was to reduce the spread of the iieeeee— to reduce the spread of the iieeeee in— to reduce the spread of the disease in order— to reduce the spread of the disease in order to make sure ihei— disease in order to make sure ihei ihe— disease in order to make sure that the pressures on the nhs were manageable in order to make ihei— were manageable in order to make ihei we— were manageable in order to make sure that we could— were manageable in order to make sure that we could treat people who— sure that we could treat people who — sure that we could treat people who very— sure that we could treat people who were very ill.— sure that we could treat people who were very ill. so again, the eeiione— who were very ill. so again, the eeiione here— who were very ill. so again, the actions here are— who were very ill. so again, the actions here are deeply distressing— actions here are deeply distressing and i can only ehoiogiee— distressing and i can only ehoiogiee io— distressing and i can only apologise to people that individuals— apologise to people that individuals behaved in this way - my— individuals behaved in this way . my understanding is that there was an investigation into the party— was an investigation into the heriy when—

was an investigation into the heriy when ihe— was an investigation into the party when the photograph emergei— party when the photograph emerged and— party when the photograph emerged and people were disciplined— emerged and people were disciplined . _ emerged and people were disciplined . .rr�*~rr.37�*~ir emerged and people were disciplined . iifr�*riie cc emerged and people were disciplined . .rr�*~rr.37�*~ier cc : emerged and people were- disciplined . mps will debate any disciplined. mps will debate any possible punishment for boris johnson tomorrow after he was found to have misled parliament over partygate. the privileges committee recommended that the former prime minister should face a 90 day suspension had he not already resigned in advance of his judgement. now it's understood that his supporters are being encouraged to abstain pain. but former brexit secretary david davis told camilla tominey he will support the committee, saying its findings are clear. one of the things findings are clear. one of the ihinge ehowi— �*7 r: gs ”rirzi; i one of the things about parliament is it's the things about parliament is it's ihe higheei— things about parliament is it's the highest court— things about parliament is it's the highest court in the land ihei— the highest court in the land that creates— the highest court in the land that creates a— the highest court in the land that creates a problem when yowre— that creates a problem when yowe coming— that creates a problem when you're coming to— that creates a problem when you're coming to privileges. where— you're coming to privileges. whei-e ihei— you're coming to privileges. what's that-it's. you're coming to privileges. l what's that-it's like what's that problem? it's like hewing— what's that problem? it's like hewing-in— what's that problem? it's like hewing-in e— what's that problem? it's like having in a village. having a trial in a village. iweryhoiy— having a trial in a village. everybody knows everybody. yeah, nohoiy— everybody knows everybody. yeah, nohoiy ie— everybody knows everybody. yeah, nobody is entirely— everybody knows everybody. yeah, nobody is entirely unbiased . nobody is entirely unbiased. ani— nobody is entirely unbiased. hni how— nobody is entirely unbiased. hni how io— nobody is entirely unbiased. and how do they— nobody is entirely unbiased. and how do they know- nobody is entirely unbiased. and how do they know his own mind at the time? they don't have to. what they know is what he hnowre — have to. what they know is what he hnowre ii— have to. what they know is what he knows. if you— have to. what they know is what he knows. if you if— what they know is what he knows. if you if you go to a party— he knows. if you if you go to a party you— he knows. if you if you go to a perry. yow hnow— he knows. if you if you go to a perry. yow hnow, ii— he knows. if you if you go to a party, you know, it was a party you— party, you know, it was a party yow ion-i— party, you know, it was a party yow ion-i meei— party, you know, it was a party you don't need an— party, you know, it was a party you don't need an advisor to ieii— you don't need an advisor to ieii yow— you don't need an advisor to tell you nicola— you don't need an advisor to

tell you nicola sturgeon eoninwee— tell you nicola sturgeon continues to— tell you nicola sturgeon continues to maintain her innocence after- continues to maintain her innocence after being questioned by innocence after being questioned hy hoiiee— innocence after being questioned by police investigating snp iineneee— by police investigating snp finances last— by police investigating snp finances last weekend , finances last weekend, scotland's— finances last weekend, scotland's former first minister ehohe— scotland's former first minister ehohe ee— scotland's former first minister ehohe ee ehe— scotland's former first minister spoke as she returned home for the spoke as she returned home for ihe ihei— spoke as she returned home for the first time— spoke as she returned home for the first time since being eneeiei— the first time since being arrested and— the first time since being arrested and released without energe— arrested and released without eherge . — arrested and released without eherge . vow— arrested and released without charge . you know,- arrested and released without charge. r/ritr. rtir c arrested and released without charge . r/ritr. rtir c charge. you know, i can't say very much just now, but i will say is reiterate the statement issued last sunday. am certain that have done nothing wrong and intend to be back in parliament intend to be back in parliament in the early part of the week . in the early part of the week. i'll make myself available for questions then. obviously within the constraints that am referring to right now. for now, i intend to go home, catch up with some family. i know i'm a pubuc with some family. i know i'm a public figure. accept what comes with that, but i'm also a human being that is entitled to a bit of privacy. staying with hoiiiiee— of privacy. staying with politics and _ rrirrtg staying with politics and rishi sunak is ieeing— politics and rishi sunak is ieeing e— politics and rishi sunak is facing a fourth— politics and rishi sunak is facing a fourth by—election ioiiowing— facing a fourth by—election following the— facing a fourth by—election following the resignation of a former— following the resignation of a homer iory— following the resignation of a former tory mp— following the resignation of a former tory mp ,_ following the resignation of a former tory mp , david warburton, former tory mp, david warburton, who— former tory mp, david warburton, who hei— former tory mp, david warburton, who hei ihe— former tory mp, david warburton, who hei ihe iory— former tory mp, david warburton, who had the tory whip suspended last who had the tory whip suspended ieei honi— who had the tory whip suspended ieei agni hee— who had the tory whip suspended last april, has stepped down hom— last april, has stepped down from hie— last april, has stepped down

from his somerton and frome seat ioiiowing— from his somerton and frome seat following accusations of sexual mieeoniwei— following accusations of sexual misconduct and— following accusations of sexual misconduct and cocaine use. he's the misconduct and cocaine use. he's ihe iowrih— misconduct and cocaine use. he's the fourth conservative mp in eighi— the fourth conservative mp in eighi ieye— the fourth conservative mp in eighi ieye io— the fourth conservative mp in eight days to resign following announcements— eight days to resign following announcements by boris johnson , announcements by boris johnson, wigei— announcements by boris johnson, wigeihieme— announcements by boris johnson, nigel adams and— announcements by boris johnson, nigel adams and nadine dorries as nigel adams and nadine dorries ee ihe— nigel adams and nadine dorries ee ihe nmeh— nigel adams and nadine dorries as the number of— nigel adams and nadine dorries as the number of migrants eniering— as the number of migrants eniering ihe— as the number of migrants entering the uk in small boats via entering the uk in small boats wie ihe— entering the uk in small boats via the english— entering the uk in small boats via the english channel so far ihie— via the english channel so far ihie yeer— via the english channel so far ihie yeer hee— via the english channel so far this year has surpassed 10,000, eeeoriing— this year has surpassed 10,000, eeeoriing io— this year has surpassed 10,000, according to home— this year has surpassed 10,000, according to home office iigwree— according to home office iigwree. eii— according to home office figures. 374 people were ieieeiei— figures. 374 people were detected, making the dangerous rowrney— detected, making the dangerous rowrney yeeieriey— detected, making the dangerous journey yesterday . crossings journey yesterday. crossings hewe— journey yesterday. crossings have increased— journey yesterday. crossings have increased as the weather improvei— have increased as the weather imhrowei, hwi— have increased as the weather improved, but it's— have increased as the weather improved, but it's still below ihe— improved, but it's still below the equivalent— improved, but it's still below the equivalent number at this hoini— the equivalent number at this hoini ieei— the equivalent number at this hoini ieei yeer. — the equivalent number at this point last year. almost 46,000 migrenie— point last year. almost 46,000 migrants crossed— point last year. almost 46,000 migrants crossed the channel in zon— migrants crossed the channel in zon- ihe— migrants crossed the channel in zon- ihe wh— migrants crossed the channel in 2022. the uk has— migrants crossed the channel in 2022. the uk has pledged an eewe— 2022. the uk has pledged an exire eie— 2022. the uk has pledged an extra £16 million— 2022. the uk has pledged an extra £16 million to boost whreine-e— extra £16 million to boost ukraine's cyber defences. it's in eiiiiion— ukraine's cyber defences. it's in addition to— ukraine's cyber defences. it's in addition to 6.35 million rromieei— in addition to 6.35 million promised last— in addition to 6.35 million promised last year. the government— promised last year. the government says it's to help wheine— government says it's to help ukraine better— government says it's to help ukraine better defend its eriiieei— ukraine better defend its critical infrastructure from iiweeien— critical infrastructure from russian attacks . the prime russian attacks. the prime iiinieier— russian attacks. the prime minister will— russian attacks. the prime minister will use a summit this

week— minister will use a summit this week io— minister will use a summit this week io eeri— minister will use a summit this week to call on— minister will use a summit this week to call on investors and hweineeeee— week to call on investors and hweineeeee io— week to call on investors and businesses to step up support for ihe— businesses to step up support for the country's— businesses to step up support for the country's economic recovery ii— for the country's economic recovery. it comes as ukraine eoninwee— recovery. it comes as ukraine eoninwee iie— recovery. it comes as ukraine continues its counteroffensive in ihe— continues its counteroffensive in ihe eowih— continues its counteroffensive in the south and— continues its counteroffensive in the south and east of the eowniry— in the south and east of the eowniry .— in the south and east of the country . thunder, lightning and country. thunder, lightning and heew— country. thunder, lightning and heewy reh— country. thunder, lightning and heewy ee— country. thunder, lightning and heavy rain are moving across the w.— heavy rain are moving across the w, ieeiing— heavy rain are moving across the w, ieeiing io— heavy rain are moving across the uk, leading to concerns of flash iiooiing— uk, leading to concerns of flash iiooiing .— uk, leading to concerns of flash iiooiing . ihe— uk, leading to concerns of flash flooding . the met— uk, leading to concerns of flash flooding . the met office is flooding. the met office is hreiieiing— flooding. the met office is predicting wind and hail with a yeiiow— predicting wind and hail with a yellow weather— predicting wind and hail with a yellow weather warning for thunderstorms— yellow weather warning for thunderstorms across the meroriiy— thunderstorms across the meroriiy oi— thunderstorms across the majority of england. wales and women— majority of england. wales and northern ireland— majority of england. wales and northern ireland until midnight . it northern ireland until midnight . ii eowi— northern ireland until midnight . it could lead— northern ireland until midnight . it could lead to— northern ireland until midnight . it could lead to a month's worih— . it could lead to a month's worih oi— . it could lead to a month's worth of rain— . it could lead to a month's worth of rain falling in a few howe— worth of rain falling in a few howre .— worth of rain falling in a few howre . iie— worth of rain falling in a few hours . it's the— worth of rain falling in a few hours . it's the result of recent hours. it's the result of recent warm weather— hours. it's the result of recent warm weather with temperatures in ihe — warm weather with temperatures in ihe mii— warm weather with temperatures in ihe mii io— warm weather with temperatures in the mid to high— warm weather with temperatures in the mid to high 20s and prince— in the mid to high 20s and prince william— in the mid to high 20s and prince william has vowed to ieehie — prince william has vowed to tackle homelessness by building eoeiei— tackle homelessness by building social housing— tackle homelessness by building social housing on— tackle homelessness by building social housing on his own land. ihe— social housing on his own land. ihe hinee— social housing on his own land. ihe hinee oi— social housing on his own land. the prince of wales told the iimee— the prince of wales told the iimee ihei— the prince of wales told the times that ending the plight of hiiien— times that ending the plight of hidden homelessness in the uk has hidden homelessness in the uk hee heem— hidden homelessness in the uk hee heen e— hidden homelessness in the uk has been a lifelong ambition. here— has been a lifelong ambition. he's expressed— has been a lifelong ambition. he's expressed frustration at ihe— he's expressed frustration at the government— he's expressed frustration at the government councils and eheriiiee— the government councils and charities who— the government councils and charities who he— the government councils and charities who he says are meneging— charities who he says are managing homelessness rather ihen— managing homelessness rather than preventing— managing homelessness rather than preventing it . many of the than preventing it. many of the ieieiie— than preventing it. many of the ieieiie oi— than preventing it. many of the details of the—

than preventing it. many of the details of the five— than preventing it. many of the details of the five year plan io— details of the five year plan io he— details of the five year plan are to be announced next month . are to be announced next month. ihie— are to be announced next month. ihie ie— are to be announced next month. ihie ie eh— are to be announced next month. this is gb news.— are to be announced next month. this is gb news. we'll bring you ee ii— this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. so let's get eireighi— more as it happens. so let's get eireighi oeeh— more as it happens. so let's get straight back to— more as it happens. so let's get straight back to nana . straight back to nana. eooi— straight back to nana. good afternoon. “ere/5." straight back to nana.— good afternoon. thank you, ray. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua . what channel. i'm nana akua. what kind of a backward place do we live in where a murderer who should have all his rights in prison removed is allowed to marry ? i mean, it's got to be marry? i mean, it's got to be a joke, right ? and what kind of joke, right? and what kind of woman or person would put themselves i mean, woman or person would put thremindss i mean, woman or person would put threminds me i mean, woman or person would put threminds me of i mean, woman or person would put threminds me of the i mean, woman or person would put th reminds me of the catherine, it reminds me of the catherine tate sketch where she would only date people death row and date people on death row and only only you would think nothing like this would actually happenin nothing like this would actually happen in real life and that it was in no way realistic. and that's why was funny. but the that's why it was funny. but the laughter ends when it becomes a reality. and levi bellfield was

convicted of murders of the 13 year old milly dowler in march 2002. marshall macdonald, who was 19 the following year, and in 2004, emily delagrange, who was 22. he was also convicted of the attempted murder of kate sheedy. he then recently confessed to the killing of lin and megan russell after a bout with prison psychologists. first claiming responsibility for their murders last year, which he then took back only to sign a confession. murders another man called michael stone is in prison for now. michael stone's solicitor said it must have taken some courage and considerable soul searching by levi bellfield to have written and signed this confession . he and signed this confession. he went on to say, it will hopefully bring closure to the families involved . now the families involved. now the police need to respond and investigate these crimes afresh to effect closure for their families. courage farage. my heart bleeds . levi bellfield is heart bleeds. levi bellfield is basically a mass murderer, a serial killer serving two whole

life orders. who will die behind bars for the rest of his life ? bars for the rest of his life? the fact that he was even allowed to apply to marry his girlfriend and to request for legal aid to challenge a decision to block the marriage is beyond me. i mean , why the is beyond me. i mean, why the hell is the taxpayer stumping up money to pay for his legal fees ? apparently, there are no current legal routes to block the marriage, but the ministry of justice has acknowledged the pain and anger that victims the victims families felt. i mean, you're not wrong, is it? seriously, that would be seriously painful. i mean, another one, double charred killer and rapist colin pitchfork . now, pitchfork, who pitchfork. now, pitchfork, who was jailed for life for raping and strangling 215 year old girls , lynda mann and dawn girls, lynda mann and dawn ashworth in leicestershire has been granted parole and will be released from prison . mean you released from prison. mean you couldn't make this up . this couldn't make this up. this country is weak when it comes to justice. our police forces only until recently couldn't even be bothered to turn up to a

burglary. but it irks me that serial criminals like this when their crimes are proven that it is they who have perpetrated them are released . it's madness them are released. it's madness in pitchforks case they tried it, but he wound up back behind bars . it is clear, it, but he wound up back behind bars. it is clear, in my it, but he wound up back behind bars . it is clear, in my view bars. it is clear, in my view that where there is no doubt that where there is no doubt that serial killers in particular child killers, are found guilty , they should face found guilty, they should face the prospect of execution . an the prospect of execution. an i don't want to pay for these people any more. it's time to bnng people any more. it's time to bring back the death penalty . so bring back the death penalty. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, as bad asking, are labourjust as bad asking, are labourjust as bad as the tories? an investigation has revealed that sue gray broke in partiality rules when she had talks with labour leader sir keir starmer about becoming his chief of staff whilst working as a civil servant. i mean this in combination green combination with their green policies being unable to define a woman. i mean, will they be

just as bad if they take the helm? then stay tuned for 50 is world view. i'll be heading across atlantic discuss across the atlantic to discuss the indictment against the federal indictment against former president donald trump former us president donald trump and why he thinks the media are purposefully attacking him with the people's the host of the people's politics podcast, paul duddridge, who be live duddridge, who will be at live with just before 5:00. and with me just before 5:00. and then tuned, because after then stay tuned, because after that, it's this week's outside and my special mystery guest is known for her appearances in i'm a celebrity get me out of here and big brother there were also reports that into reports that she fell into a bush prince harry during bush with prince harry during a night out. can anyone guess who she might be? that's on the way in the next hour. aslef, tell me what think on everything what you think on everything we're discussing. email gb views at news tweet me at. at gb news .com or tweet me at. gb news. so, right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. no single shots for you

giannis making improper suggestions. what was the suggestions. what was the suggestion i'm not possibly on on how dare you a television . on how dare you a television. no not to me. i thought we were rieie. — no not to me. i thought we were rieie. on— no not to me. i thought we were here. on yee— no not to me. i thought we were here. on yee. iwei— no not to me. i thought we were pals. oh yes. just clarify hieeee— pals. oh yes. just clarify hieeee . — pals. oh yes. just clarify hieeee . wo— pals. oh yes. just clarify please . no i- pals. oh yes. just clarify please . \r:i:r rtir c i pals. oh yes. just clarify please . \ri:r rtir c i don't please. no i can't. i don't ihinh— please. no i can't. i don't ihinh i— please. no i can't. i don't think i want— please. no i can't. i don't think i want to— please. no i can't. i don't think i want to talk- please. \ri:r rtir c i don't think i want to talk about that. how— think i want to talk about that. how meei— think i want to talk about that. how neei io— think i want to talk about that. you need to know— think i want to talk about that. you need to know i don't know. go.— you need to know i don't know. we. yow— you need to know i don't know. no you wowii— you need to know i don't know. no, you would have— you need to know i don't know. no, you would have found- you need to know i don't know. no, you would have found it funny, but it was strictly for off i think i might off air. no, i think i might hewe— off air. no, i think i might hewe iowni— off air. no, i think i might have found-bit- off air. no, i think i might have found-bit. - . no, i think i might have found bit . \rri:r off air. no, i think i might. have found-bit. no, you have found it a bit. no, you wowii— have found it a bit. no, you wowii hewe— have found it a bit. no, you would have found it funny, right? making it too cool. chrieiine— right? making it too cool. christine-a- right? making it too cool. christine-a pointi christine making a point here. highw— christine making a point here. highi. renninge— christine making a point here. right, fanning? yes,- christine making a point here. ?g t�*g7’ yes, right. right, fanning? yes, right. okay. so let's start with you, danny. why not then? okay. so in my view, these people, we know they it. wouldn't waste they did it. i wouldn't waste any them. do they did it. i wouldn't waste any them . do you any more money on them. do you know really me ? is know what really irks me? is ihei— know what really irks me? is that-bellfield- know what really irks me? is that bellfield that really that thug bellfield that really nonye— that thug bellfield that really annoys me. what he did was, heeiiee— annoys me. what he did was, heeiiee iwei— annoys me. what he did was, besides just completely . it annoys me. what he did was, besides just completely. it is reprehensible.— besides just completely. it is reprehensible. there are few ihinge— reprehensible. there are few ihinge in— reprehensible. there are few things in life— reprehensible. there are few things in life that you can't ini— things in life that you can't iini in— things in life that you can't iini in yowr— things in life that you can't find in your soul to forgive. hwi— find in your soul to forgive. hwi here— find in your soul to forgive. but he's showing no signs of eoniriiion— but he's showing no signs of contrition, no— but he's showing no signs of contrition, no signs of contrition— contrition, no signs of contrition whatsoever. in fact, iie— contrition whatsoever. in fact, he oniy— contrition whatsoever. in fact, we oniy eie— contrition whatsoever. in fact, it's only since he's been behind here— it's only since he's been behind here ihei— it's only since he's been behind bars that he's— it's only since he's been behind bars that he's fessed up to oiher— bars that he's fessed up to other crimes.— bars that he's fessed up to other crimes. and if the sun

hewe— other crimes. and if the sun hewe goi— other crimes. and if the sun hewe goi ii— other crimes. and if the sun have got it right, there was eeoooo— have got it right, there was £30,000 worth _ have got it right, there was £30,000 worth of taxpayers cash in iegei— £30,000 worth of taxpayers cash in iegei eii— £30,000 worth of taxpayers cash in legal aid. what— £30,000 worth of taxpayers cash in legal aid. what i— £30,000 worth of taxpayers cash in legal aid. what i have to say,— in legal aid. what i have to eey, ihowgh— in legal aid. what i have to eey, ihowgh ee— in legal aid. what i have to say, though, as far as whether he ehowii— say, though, as far as whether he ehowii he— say, though, as far as whether he should be allowed to marry in whom— he should be allowed to marry in whom .— he should be allowed to marry in whom , i— he should be allowed to marry in orieon . i ihinh— he should be allowed to marry in prison , i think that— he should be allowed to marry in prison , i think that kid should prison, i think that kid should be prison, i think that kid should he hwniehei— prison, i think that kid should he hwniehei .— prison, i think that kid should be punished . i— prison, i think that kid should be punished . i think he should be punished. i think he should do be punished. i think he should io heri— be punished. i think he should io heri iime— be punished. i think he should do hard time and— be punished. i think he should do hard time and if it means rig,— do hard time and if it means rig, i— do hard time and if it means rig, i meen— do hard time and if it means that, i mean,-is- do hard time and if it means that, i mean, is this freak that, i mean, who is this freak of that, i mean, who is this freak oi e— that, i mean, who is this freak of a woman who's— that, i mean, who is this freak of a woman who's decided to merry— of a woman who's decided to merry-ee— of a woman who's decided to marry-as-well,- of a woman who's decided toi marry-as-well, how of a woman who's decided to- marry-as-well, how the marry him as well? well, how the heir— marry him as well? well, how the heir-ihei— marry him as well? well, how the hell-that happen? - marry him as well? well, how the hell that happen? hell did that happen? well, you hnow— hell did that happen? well, you mow-ihoee— hell did that happen? well, you know,-there's a- hell did that happen? well, you know, there's a duty of know, i think there's a duty of care, really, for person to care, really, for the person to allow go on. allow that to even go on. i don't understand would don't understand how that would have got there. there must have got out there. there must be chain that be some communication chain that he's don't he's allowed to use. i don't understand. to get back understand. but just to get back to understand. but just to get back io-hoini,— understand. but just to get back io-hoini, ihe— understand. but just to get back to-point, the central- c. :: but just to get back to point, the central point c. :: but just to get back to should int, the central point c. :: but just to get back to should we the central point c. :: but just to get back to should we bring entral point c. :: but just to get back to should we bring back. point c. :: but just to get back to should we bring back hanging is, should we bring back hanging or eome-oi—i- is, should we bring back hanging. or some-of_l mean, or some form of hanging? i mean, eeme-reorie— or some form of hanging? i mean, some people anymore, some form of people anymore, that's that's archaic. okay > some execution. yeah. some form of execution. yeah. i-m — some form of execution. yeah. i-m _heeewee- some form of execution. yeah. i-m—heeewee iol some form of execution. yeah.| i'm—because do we i'm torn on this because do we ii— i'm torn on this because do we ii ee— i'm torn on this because do we ii ee e— i'm torn on this because do we see it as a money— i'm torn on this because do we see it as a money saving exercise or-see. see it as a money saving exercise or see it? see it as a money saving- exercise or-see it? okay. exercise or do you see it? okay. heriiy— exercise or do you see it? okay. heriiylheriiy— exercise or do you see it? okay. heriiylheriiy ie— exercise or do you see it? okay. partly i partly is the - exercise or do you see it? okay. partly partly is the other partly as partly is the other partly— partly as partly is the other partly-a- partly as partly is the other partly a deterrent? partly bit, is it a deterrent? go.— partly bit, is it a deterrent? no, absolutely. - partly bit, is it a deterrent? no, absolutely. �*rfirrzigc r: no, absolutely. well, i'd say the money saving, yes. but i don't thinkldeters. - the money saving, yes. but i don't think . deters. all - g buti don't think deters. all we've don't think it deters. all we've got don't think it deters. all we've goi-ie— don't think it deters. all we've goi-ie iooh— don't think it deters. all we've goi-ie iooh ei— don't think it deters. all we've got is look at america. got to do is look at america. hii— got to do is look at america. hii righi.— got to do is look at america. all right. we'll— got to do is look at america. all right. we'll have- got to do is look at america. all right. we'll have a- got to do is look at america. all right. we'll have a look at qatar. the cup. there qatar. then the world cup. there was a deterrent there you go to

prison for six months. they're not any prisoners. not going to take any prisoners. and during world and guess what? during the world cup, the cup, our wonderful a lot of the british people may well have british people who may well have committed hooligans committed or been hooligans in this i'm not say this country, i'm not to say that been. but that they would have been. but there crime. was there was no crime. there was no murder, not hooliganism, but they they they would also i think they execute in qatar as well. yeah, but an culture. but that's an islamic culture. vow— but that's an islamic culture. vow io. — but that's an islamic culture. vow io. vow— but that's an islamic culture. you do. you said- but that's an islamic culture. you do. r/ritr. r: you do. you said there's no example that it's a deterrent. i'm look at i'm saying that if you look at regimes there is regimes like that, there is hardly crime. it deters. hardly any crime. it deters. but that is not a secular eoeieiy— but that is not a secular eoeieiy. wo— but that is not a secular society. no, but it's an islamic eoeieiy— society. no, but it's an islamic eoeieiylweih— society. no, but it's an islamic society..well, let- society. no, but it's an islamic society..well, let me- society. no, but it's an islamic society. r: question. well, let me qualify arguing what society they are. you there's no deterrent. you said there's no deterrent. i eeii— you said there's no deterrent. i eeii ihere— you said there's no deterrent. i eeii ihere ie— you said there's no deterrent. i said there is. if— you said there's no deterrent. i said there is. if you look at exemhiee— said there is. if you look ati exemhiee—ii examples where they take it eerioweiy, — examples where they take it seriously, qualify seriously, let me qualify it in eei— seriously, let me qualify it in eeewier—noi secular countries, there's no ieieneni. — secular countries, there's no deterrent. _look- secular countries, there's no- deterrent. _looklamerica. deterrent. then look at america. you're basic. no, but your ergwmeni— you're basic. no, but your argument-that- you're basic. no, but your argument-that the- r/ritr. ”c: rt. no, but your argument that the deterrent argument is that the deterrent of argument is that the deterrent oi—ii— argument is that the deterrent oi—ii yow— argument is that the deterrent of_if you commit. argument is that the deterrent of if you commit a of the death, if you commit a won-i— of the death, if you commit a crime, won't work.— of the death, if you commit a crime, won't work. and i'm eeying— crime, won't work. and i'm eeying ihei— crime, won't work. and i'm eeying ihei ii— crime, won't work. and i'm saying that it does. and it has iome— saying that it does. and it has ione eni— saying that it does. and it has done and i've— saying that it does. and it has done and i've proved a place where— done and i've proved a place where ii— done and i've proved a place where it does. _ done and i've proved a place where it does. christine well, ihere-e— where it does. christine well, ihere-e e— where it does. christine well, there's a world— where it does. christine well, there's a world of difference heiween— there's a world of difference between hooliganism and a mass wererenomi-— between hooliganism and a mass mwererei-no .— between hooliganism and a mass murderers-no , no.- between hooliganism and a mass murderers-no , no. i- between hooliganism and a mass murderers. no, no, no. i think they were tied with respect. i think your argument about it, deterring hooliganism in qatar, anybody commits that sort of

anybody who commits that sort of murder is mentally deranged. they be no normal person they must be no normal person would do that. they just wouldn't . the real horrific wouldn't. the real horrific thing about levi bellfield, i hate to mention this because he will then if he marries, he will be allowed conjugal visits. really? oh, god. i mean , yeah, really? oh, god. i mean, yeah, he will. so i have very mixed views on, on. i used to be in favour of capital punishment and then having experienced how a jury then having experienced how a jury can get things wrong, i then completely changed my view and i decided that on the off chance that they were innocent , chance that they were innocent, it was grotesque. and it's not the mark of a civilised society. i agree with i don't i don't agree with that. i don't know. but i was listening to ben habib . was it ben or was it habib. was it ben or was it nigel? either one of them. either of one of them either one of them. one of them was that, you know, you was saying that, you know, you were with them to them were arguing with them to them that when you know that somebody has when got has done it, when you've got video evidence, when is as video evidence, when it is as heinous somebody like heinous as somebody like bellfield, i begin to waver bellfield, then i begin to waver and i begin to think that , and i begin to think that, frankly, i don't think i mean, it is about saving money. and of

course, we shouldn't have to pay for wouldn't it for them, but i wouldn't do it just money. i think it's just to save money. i think it's i think to show that i don't think to show that society places such abhorrence on these crimes that they will take your life. why can i just come back? i wouldn't want to have to vote on it in the house of commons. can i just come back to of commons. can i just come back io yowr— of commons. can i just come back to your comparison— can i just come back to your comparison because you eeii— to your comparison because you eeii ihei— to your comparison because you eeii ihei me— to your comparison because you said that me comparing hooliganism— said that me comparing- hooliganism-penalty hooliganism and death penalty and hooliganism and death penalty enirimee— hooliganism and death penalty enierimeeli— hooliganism and death penalty andcrimes. i know hooliganism and death penalty and crimes. i know you're the crimes. no, i know you're moi.— the crimes. no, i know you're noi. whei— the crimes. no, i know you're noi. whei im— the crimes. no, i know you're not. what i'm what i'm what i'm eomhering— not. what i'm what i'm what i'm eomhering ie— not. what i'm what i'm what i'm eomhering ie ihe— not. what i'm what i'm what i'm comparing is the act of a ieieneni. — comparing is the act of a deterrent. the- comparing is the act of a deterrent. the deterrent effect. ani— deterrent. the deterrent effect. ami—ihei— deterrent. the deterrent effect. and _that when - deterrent. the deterrent effect. and that when people and i'm saying that when people hnow— and i'm saying that when people know-meyhe— and i'm saying that when people know they're genuinely know that they're genuinely going— know that they're genuinely going punished know that they're genuinely- going-punished-there's going to be punished and there's not going to be punished and there's moi-he— going to be punished and there's moi-he eny— going to be punished and there's not-be any leeway- going to be punished and there's not be any leeway and, not going to be any leeway and, oh, not going to be any leeway and, oh-we-ii— not going to be any leeway and, oh-we-ii-owi- oh, well, we'll let you out, heee— oh, well, we'll let you out, because-they- oh, well, we'll let you out, because they would oh, well, we'll let you out,- because _they would not because in qatar they would not hewe— because in qatar they would not hewe-ieewey- because in qatar they would not have - leeway then - because in qatar they would not have leeway then people have been any leeway then people eeiweiiy— have been any leeway then people eeiweiiy-ii— have been any leeway then people actually-it seriously- have been any leeway then people actually it seriously and actually take it seriously and i ihinh— actually take it seriously and i ihinh-ihie— actually take it seriously and i think-this is- actually take it seriously and i think-this is that- think part of this is that heohie— think part of this is that heohie-iehe- think part of this is that- people _take .justice people don't take the justice eyeiem — people don't take the justice system _country- people don't take the justice system country seriously system in this country seriously at system in this country seriously ei eii. — system in this country seriously ei eii. -yow— system in this country seriously ei eii.-yow eew- system in this country seriously at all. you saw that at all. i mean, you saw that ihei—wee- at all. i mean, you saw thati ihei—wee going at all. i mean, you saw that that people's was going at all. i mean, you saw that that people's homesras going at all. i mean, you saw that that people's homes and oing at all. i mean, you saw that that people's homes and just into people's homes and just meeeing— into people's homes and just meeeing-ani- into people's homes and just messing and then into people's homes and just messing-and then come messing around. and then he come out messing around. and then he come owi-ii— messing around. and then he come owi-ii on— messing around. and then he come owi-ii on hie— messing around. and then he come out-it on his video- messing around. and then he come out it on his video and out and film it on his video and men— out and film it on his video and ihen—on— out and film it on his video and then—on tiktok- out and film it on his video and then—on tiktok sol then pop it down on tiktok so ihei— then pop it down on tiktok so ihei-gei— then pop it down on tiktok so that-get likes- then pop it down on tiktok so that get likes and that he would get likes and ioiiowe. — that he would get likes and ioiiowe. he— that he would get likes and follows. he even said that the he even— follows. he even said that the he eeii— follows. he even said that the he even said that— follows. he even said that the he even said that the system is week— he even said that the system is weeh .— he even said that the system is weeh . ani— he even said that the system is weeh . ami, yow— he even said that the system is weak . and, you know , someone weak. and, you know, someone ihe—

weak. and, you know, someone iihe ihei.— weak. and, you know, someone like that. and— weak. and, you know, someone like that. and he— weak. and, you know, someone like that. and he was right. but eeiweiiy— like that. and he was right. but eeiweiiy. iwei— like that. and he was right. but actually, just to— like that. and he was right. but actually, just to correct you on actually, just to correct you on e point— actually, just to correct you on e hoini, i— actually, just to correct you on e hoini. i ion-i— actually, just to correct you on a point, i don't think that levi heiiiieii— a point, i don't think that levi bellfield gets— a point, i don't think that levi bellfield gets conjugal rights, ioee— bellfield gets conjugal rights, ioee he— bellfield gets conjugal rights, does he not? _ bellfield gets conjugal rights, does he not? i— bellfield gets conjugal rights, does he not? r:rir" c bellfield gets conjugal rights, does he not? r:rir“ c bellfield gets conjugal rights, does he not? r:rir" c “

going to be a deterrent, although i disagree with nana about a deterrent about how strong a deterrent it is, i think if you're is, because i think if you're going you are going to commit murder, you are so you know, year so enraged. you know, a 30 year stretch capital punishment, stretch or capital punishment, if a 30 year stretch isn't sufficient deterrent, then neither capital punishment. neither is capital punishment. but let's be honest , the but let's be honest, the meioriiy— but let's be honest, the meroriiy, i— but let's be honest, the majority, i would suggest , of majority, i would suggest, of mwiee— majority, i would suggest, of murders are probably committed by murders are probably committed hy reorie— murders are probably committed hy heohie who— murders are probably committed hy heohie who ee— murders are probably committed by people who are not real eeriei— by people who are not real serial killers— by people who are not real serial killers .— by people who are not real serial killers . i— by people who are not real serial killers . i think that's serial killers. i think that's eoneei so— serial killers. i think that's correct. so might only killed righi.— correct. so might only killed iiighi. eo— correct. so might only killed one. right. so if— correct. so might only killed one. right. so if you imagine ihoee— one. right. so if you imagine ihoee reorie— one. right. so if you imagine ihoee heohie .— one. right. so if you imagine those people , those people are those people, those people are the those people, those people are ihe omee— those people, those people are the ones that— those people, those people are the ones that are— those people, those people are the ones that are likely to be ieienei— the ones that are likely to be deterred from _ the ones that are likely to be deterred from murder. i think young— deterred from murder. i think young pebble— deterred from murder. i think young people would think twice ehowi— young people would think twice ehowi-mwee- young people would think twice about-knives if- young people would think twice about knives if there about carrying knives if there was a possibility— about carrying knives if there was a possibility that, if enyihing— was a possibility that, if anything happened there anything happened or that there was anything happened or that there weeeenlowe— anything happened or that there was serious deterrent . but was a serious deterrent. but hey— was a serious deterrent. but ihey—ihey-re- was a serious deterrent. but. ihey—ihey-re going was a serious deterrent. but they caught. they're going was a serious deterrent. but they caught. andiey're going was a serious deterrent. but they caught. and thatr going was a serious deterrent. but they caught. and that people to be caught. and that people wowiin-i— to be caught. and that people wowiin-i he— to be caught. and that people wouldn't be hanged anyway. c wouldn't be hanged anyway. it wowiin-i— wouldn't be hanged anyway. it wouldn't be. well,— wouldn't be hanged anyway. it wouldn't be. well, it- wouldn't be hanged anyway. c : t“ c well, it depends wouldn't be. well, it depends how—enyweyl wouldn't be. well, it dependsi how—enywey. hwi how young you are anyway. but whei— how young you are anyway. but wig—war,- how young you are anyway. but wig—rial, ii- what i'm saying is. well, it iehenie—yowl what i'm saying is. well, iti depends—you are what i'm saying is. well, it- depends_you are and depends how young you are and how—he- how bad your crime is, to be home.— how bad your crime is, to be honeei. i— how bad your crime is, to be honeei. i-i— how bad your crime is, to be honest. i-i think- how bad your crime is, to be honest. i i think that, honest. i mean, i think that, you— honest. i mean, i think that, yow-ie— honest. i mean, i think that, yow-ie ie— honest. i mean, i think that, you-18 is where- honest. i mean, i think that, you 18 is where starts you know, 18 is where it starts ewi— you know, 18 is where it starts ewi oih— you know, 18 is where it starts cut off. .that's_ you know, 18 is where it starts cut off. .that's the - you know, 18 is where it starts cut off. that's the cut off. cut off. so that's the cut off. so cut off. so that's the cut off. so whei— cut off. so that's the cut off. so whei i-m — cut off. so that's the cut off. so what i'm saying there will so what i'm saying is there will be so what i'm saying is there will he-ierger— so what i'm saying is there will be-larger majority- be the larger majority of people who— be the larger majority of people who-iheee — be the larger majority of people who _these - of - be the larger majority of peoplei who _these .of crimes who commit these sort of crimes wii— who commit these sort of crimes wiiilhoeeihiy— who commit these sort of crimes will-possibly-who- who commit these sort of crimes will possibly who will will be possibly those who will be-by_ will be possibly those who will he-hy ihinhing- be affected by thinking that

ihere— be affected by thinking that there _ deterrenti be affected by thinking thati there _ deterrent . be affected by thinking that. there _ deterrent . at there is a serious deterrent. at ihe— there is a serious deterrent. at ihe eni— there is a serious deterrent. at ihe eni oi— there is a serious deterrent. at the end of the— there is a serious deterrent. at the end of the day, i would have ihowghi— the end of the day, i would have thought imprisonment thought that life imprisonment owghi— ought to be a pretty serious ieieneni— ought to be a pretty serious deterrent. _can - ought to be a pretty seriousi deterrent. _can you deterrent. i mean, can you imagine the horror ? nobody goes imagine the horror? nobody goes to imagine the horror? nobody goes ro_ne.gw,- to prison, though. literally, ihey— to prison, though. literally, mey—hwi- to prison, though. literally,- ihey—hwi nyone to prison, though. literally,- they_put anyone in they don't want to put anyone in 30 they don't want to put anyone in eeo-neen.— they don't want to put anyone in eo-meen. ihe- they don't want to put anyone in 30-mean, the horror. they don't want to put anyone in 30-mean, the horror of 30 years. i mean, the horror of the doors banging behind you for 30 the sort of 30 years and the sort of conditions people conditions that people have in prison nowadays, isn't prison nowadays, if that isn't a deterrent, is it? it deterrent, it's not, is it? it doesn't seem i don't doesn't seem to be. i don't rhini— doesn't seem to be. i don't think. well i think that it points to the fact that nothing is a deterrent. if you want to mweri— is a deterrent. if you want to murder the murder someone, whether it's the ieeih —ii-e- murder someone, whether it's the ieeih—iie eel death penalty, whether it's 30 yeeie— death penalty, whether it's 30 yee—on - death penalty, whether it's 30- years_on licence. years being released on licence. i years being released on licence. i-ihinh— years being released on licence. i-ihinh eo— years being released on licence. i-ihinh so— years being released on licence. i-think so. so how- years being released on licence. i-think so. so how can- years being released on licence. i-think so. so how can it. i don't think so. so how can it be a deterrent if many be a deterrent if so many murderers prison? well, murderers are in prison? well, there well, there there are probably well, there ehowii—e- there are probably well, there should—a lot- there are probably well, therei should—a lot more there are probably well, there. should—a lot more in should probably be a lot more in whom.— should probably be a lot more in whom. i— should probably be a lot more in whom. i-ihey-re- should probably be a lot more in prison. i they're even prison. i mean, they're even ieiiing— prison. i mean, they're even ieiiing-oi— prison. i mean, they're even letting-of-out.i prison. i mean, they're even. letting-of-out. they letting some of them out. they ehowiin-i— letting some of them out. they shouldn't—outl shouldn't be coming back out egein. — shouldn't be coming back out again. _wouldn'tj again. these people wouldn't ihen—heeh- again. these people wouldn't then—back into. then be released back into eoeieiy— then be released back into society opportunity society for an opportunity to eommii— society for an opportunity to . eommii—eiier commit crime again. poll after hori— commit crime again. poll after port—reeenil poll, i haven't seen a recent one-hori— poll, i haven't seen a recent one,-poll after- poll, i haven't seen a recent one, poll after poll says one, but poll after poll says ihei— one, but poll after poll says ihei-weei— one, but poll after poll says that vast majority of the that the vast majority of the mine— that the vast majority of the hwhiie—oi- that the vast majority of the i public—of bringing public are in favour of bringing heei— public are in favour of bringing heeh eehiiei— public are in favour of bringing back capital punishment. so the weei— back capital punishment. so the weei meg-wiry.— back capital punishment. so the weei meroriiy. oi— back capital punishment. so the vast majority, of course, yes, 70% well, 70% or something. well, i haven't a recent poll. i'm haven't seen a recent poll. i'm sorry checked all sorry. i should have checked all this, but let's just the this, but let's just say the majority. okay sorry to be so

pedantic. that's all right. take the vast out. but the majority. and would give society and it would give society a sense of satisfaction. and as it were, a job well done. it would certainly give the families of these poor victims . but it needs these poor victims. but it needs to be. these poor victims. but it needs io he. i— these poor victims. but it needs io he. i wowii— these poor victims. but it needs to be. i would feel— these poor victims. but it needs to be. i would feel very- to be. i would feel very uncomfortable if it was a meroriiy— uncomfortable if it was a majority verdict on a jury. it wowii— majority verdict on a jury. it wowii meei— majority verdict on a jury. it would need to— majority verdict on a jury. it would need to be something like some ironclad— would need to be something like some ironclad dna— would need to be something like some ironclad dna or video ewiienee— some ironclad dna or video ewiienee . — some ironclad dna or video evidence . yeah,- some ironclad dna or video evidence . r/rzi;rirt rilykire�*rfmg some ironclad dna or video evidence . r/rzi;rirt rilkirfiiccg �*rfirrzigc evidence. yeah, exactly. well, that's what i'm saying. absolutely absolutely. no doubt about it. no doubt whatsoever. and plenty of murders and there are plenty of murders ihei— and there are plenty of murders ihei-ie— and there are plenty of murders that-is absolutely- and there are plenty of murders that is absolutely no that there is absolutely no iowhi— that there is absolutely no doubt about.— that there is absolutely no doubt about. i— that there is absolutely no doubt about. i mean , we've got doubt about. i mean, we've got heohie— doubt about. i mean, we've got heohie on— doubt about. i mean, we've got people on camera— doubt about. i mean, we've got people on camera committing mwreri— people on camera committing mweri .— people on camera committing mweri . we— people on camera committing murder . we know it's there. people on camera committing murder. we know it's there. and ihen— murder. we know it's there. and ihen-ihen— murder. we know it's there. and then _then they're - murder. we know it's there. and then then they're put then they go. then they're put in whom.— then they go. then they're put in whom. wo— then they go. then they're put in whom. no, i— then they go. then they're put in prison. no, i don't want iheee— in prison. no, i don't want- these—committing these people who are committing mwiee— these people who are committing mwiere—ihei- murders where it is clear that ihey-we— murders where it is clear that ihey-we iome— murders where it is clear that they've done it— murders where it is clear that they've done it in— murders where it is clear that they've done it in complete cold hiooi—il blood, i'm afraid. you know, i hnow— blood, i'm afraid. you know, i know-sorry. - blood, i'm afraid. you know, i know-sorry. well,i know there's. sorry. well, ihere-e— know there's. sorry. well, ihere-e ihe— know there's. sorry. well, there's the famous who killed hanratty. remember that hanratty. do you remember that bit in 60s let bit way back in the 60s and let him it? were the him have it? there were the pistol hanratty accomplice whose name escapes me, said, let him have it. and hanratty shot the policeman . what he says he meant policeman. what he says he meant was let him have the gun . should

was let him have the gun. should hanratty have been hanged? but did he still. but did did it reewii— did he still. but did did it reewii in— did he still. but did did it result in murder?- r: r: cc but did did it result in murder? yeah rzi; did he still. but did did it- result in murder? yeah he shot a cop result in murder? yeah he shot a con mi— result in murder? yeah he shot a cop and killed a cop. what's the difference? because the lad was, i think, 15, and i think he had learning difficulty his. yeah. and he sort of egged on to and he was sort of egged on to carry his accomplice carry a gun and his accomplice said let him have it. and the kid interpreted let him kid interpreted that as let him have it as in a pistol, as in a bullet. and that's unfortunate. but he still committed murder. ween.— but he still committed murder. veeh. he— but he still committed murder. veeh. he iii.— but he still committed murder. yeah, he did. but— but he still committed murder. yeah, he did. but under- but he still committed murder. yeah, he did. but under those circumstances. but that was 60 years. say he years. i would say he misunderstood, may not misunderstood, but he may not have don't know. i mean, have been. i don't know. i mean, yow— have been. i don't know. i mean, yow-eei— have been. i don't know. i mean, yow-eeileiiii- have been. i don't know. i mean, you-actlstill the- you still the act is still the same. you're— you still the act is still the same. you're still committed mweri — murder. but he had learning difficulties. _ murder. but he had learning difficulties. r/rzi;sr yeah, that's difficulties. yes. yeah,that's very— difficulties. yes. yeah,that's very-whoe— difficulties. yes. yeah, that'si very-who?-person very sad. but who? the person who—ehowii very sad. but who? the person- who_should also who gave him the gun should also be who gave him the gun should also he-imhrieonei— who gave him the gun should also be-imprisoned as- who gave him the gun should also be imprisoned as well. be perhaps imprisoned as well. he. be perhaps imprisoned as well. he. he— be perhaps imprisoned as well. he. he wowii— be perhaps imprisoned as well. he. he would done. \r:i:r he. he would have done. no, it's ieiei— he. he would have done. no, it's whei-ihei— he. he would have done. no, it's called. that collective called. what's that collective responsibility called? well, you forgot he forgot what it's called. but he would prison. collective would be in prison. collective responsibility?— would be in prison. collective responsibility?.that's- would be in prison. collective responsibility?.that's in. responsibility? no that's in parliament. _ responsibility? no that's in parliament. : responsibility? no that's in- parliament. .nobody seems to parliament. but nobody seems to buy buy that anymore. that there's debate buy buy that anymore. that there's-debate joint| there's another debate joint eniemriee. — there's another debate joint enterprise. joint- there's another debate joint enterprise. joint enterprise. enterprise that's it. that's enterprise. that's it. that's it. enterprise that's it. that's it. righi.— enterprise that's it. that's it. righi-ieien— enterprise that's it. that's it. right-listen, if- enterprise that's it. that's it. right. _listen, if you- that's it. that's it. right. listen, if you just right. well, listen, if you just ioinei— right. well, listen, if you just joined-welcome- right. well, listen, if you just joined welcome board. joined us, welcome on board.

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get married. and jan says this should should— get married. and jan says this should should be— get married. and jan says this should should be available as an ohiion— should should be available as an ohiion ior— should should be available as an ohiion for e— should should be available as an option for a judge— should should be available as an option for a judge for option for a judge and not for eheeiiie— option for a judge and not for eheeiiie-oniy- option for a judge and not for. specific-only-there specific crimes only when there is specific crimes only when there ie—no— specific crimes only when there ie—no iowhi- specific crimes only when there is_no doubt or- specific crimes only when there is_no doubt or no. is absolutely no doubt or no iwei— is absolutely no doubt or no iweilreeeon— is absolutely no doubt or no iweilreeeon .— is absolutely no doubt or no just-reason , not- is absolutely no doubt or no just reason , not just no just no reason, not just no reeeonehie— just no reason, not just no reasonable doubt with you 100. ihei-e— reasonable doubt with you 100. ihei-e exeeiiy— reasonable doubt with you 100. that's exactly my— reasonable doubt with you 100. that's exactly my view . right. that's exactly my view. right. ani— that's exactly my view. right. ani ihem— that's exactly my view. right. ani ihen iie— that's exactly my view. right. and then liz says— that's exactly my view. right. and then liz says , i completely and then liz says, i completely egree— and then liz says, i completely egree ror— and then liz says, i completely agree. for certain— and then liz says, i completely agree. for certain crimes with ihow— agree. for certain crimes with 100% evidence— agree. for certain crimes with 100% evidence of— agree. for certain crimes with 100% evidence of guilt, the ieeih— 100% evidence of guilt, the ieeih heneiiy— 100% evidence of guilt, the death penalty should be an ohiion— death penalty should be an ohiion ior— death penalty should be an option for society. well thank you— option for society. well thank yow ior— option for society. well thank yow ior ihei. — option for society. well thank you for that. keep all those ihowghie— you for that. keep all those thoughts coming. but now it's iime— thoughts coming. but now it's iime ior— thoughts coming. but now it's iime ior ihe— thoughts coming. but now it's time for the great british heieie— time for the great british debate-hour,- time for the great british- debate.-hour,-asking debate. this hour, i'm asking heiow— debate. this hour, i'm asking our labour just— debate. this hour, i'm asking our labour just as— debate. this hour, i'm asking our labourjust as bad as the our labour just as bad as the ioriee. — our labour just as bad as the ioriee. |meen— our labour just as bad as the tories.imean ,_ our labour just as bad as the tories. mean , both parties our labour just as bad as the torierbeen ean , both parties our labour just as bad as the torierbeen involvedh parties our labour just as bad as the torierbeen involved in)arties our labour just as bad as the torierbeen involved in political have been involved in political eeenieie— have been involved in political scandals,-who_ have been involved in political scandals,-who do- have been involved in political scandals, who do you trust scandals, but who do you trust to scandals, but who do you trust io ieei— scandals, but who do you trust io ieei ihie— scandals, but who do you trust to lead this country to start? some— to lead this country to start? some eey— to lead this country to start? some eey ioo— to lead this country to start? some say too that's grey and ihei-e— some say too that's grey and that's scandal— some say too that's grey and that's scandal that's revealed . that's scandal that's revealed. a ehoeh— that's scandal that's revealed. a ehoeh ieei— that's scandal that's revealed. a shock, lack of— that's scandal that's revealed. a shock, lack of integrity wiihin— a shock, lack of integrity within the _ a shock, lack of integrity within the labour party in heniewien— within the labour party in particular, sir— within the labour party in particular, sir keir starmer for hoeing— particular, sir keir starmer for even posing the— particular, sir keir starmer for even posing the option for her to even posing the option for her io he— even posing the option for her io he working— even posing the option for her to be working with him during ihei— to be working with him during that particular— to be working with him during that particular time . we are not that particular time. we are not ewrelio— that particular time. we are not ewrelio when— that particular time. we are not sure to when exactly he spoke sure as to when exactly he spoke to sure as to when exactly he spoke io-heen— sure as to when exactly he spoke to-been reported- to her. it's been reported that ihe— to her. it's been reported that ihe former— to her. it's been reported that the former-civil- to her. it's been reported that the former civil servant the former senior civil servant eni— the former senior civil servant eni-ehiei,— the former senior civil servant and-chief, sue- the former senior civil servant and chief, sue gray, is and ethics chief, sue gray, is heiiewei— and ethics chief, sue gray, is heiiewei io— and ethics chief, sue gray, is believed to have— and ethics chief, sue gray, is believed to have been breached imheriieiiiy— believed to have been breached impartiality-when- believed to have been breached impartiality when she held impartiality rules when she held ieihe— impartiality rules when she held ieihe io— impartiality rules when she held ieihe io-sir— impartiality rules when she held talks to-sir keir— impartiality rules when she held talks to sir keir starmer's talks to join sir keir starmer's party— talks to join sir keir starmer's heriy ee— talks to join sir keir starmer's

heriy ee hie— talks to join sir keir starmer's party as his chief— talks to join sir keir starmer's party as his chief of staff. furthermore,— party as his chief of staff. furthermore, remember , beergate furthermore, remember, beergate is a furthermore, remember, beergate ie e eeeniei— furthermore, remember, beergate is a scandal that— furthermore, remember, beergate is a scandal that tarnished the iehowr— is a scandal that tarnished the iehowr heriy-e— is a scandal that tarnished the labour party's reputation as promineni— labour party's reputation as prominent politicians were eeei— prominent politicians were eeei oi— prominent politicians were accused of inappropriate behaviour. _ accused of inappropriate behaviour. a— accused of inappropriate behaviour. a late night drinking hwi— behaviour. a late night drinking session, but they— behaviour. a late night drinking session, but they were cleared of session, but they were cleared oi eny— session, but they were cleared of any wrongdoing, despite numerous lies— of any wrongdoing, despite numerous lies ,_ of any wrongdoing, despite numerous lies , which things just numerous lies, which things just iiin-i— numerous lies, which things just him eii— numerous lies, which things just him eii wh— numerous lies, which things just him eii wh .— numerous lies, which things just didn't add up . labour has also didn't add up. labour has also hieigei— didn't add up. labour has also hieigei io— didn't add up. labour has also pledged to cover— didn't add up. labour has also pledged to cover public land and howeing— pledged to cover public land and housing estates— pledged to cover public land and housing estates with solar heneie— housing estates with solar heneie ee— housing estates with solar heneie ee heri— housing estates with solar panels as part of its net zero hiene— panels as part of its net zero hiene ie— panels as part of its net zero plans is aimed— panels as part of its net zero plans is aimed at— panels as part of its net zero plans is aimed at cutting 93 hiiiion— plans is aimed at cutting 93 billion from _ plans is aimed at cutting 93 billion from the— plans is aimed at cutting 93 billion from the nation's energy e.oeie — billion from the nation's energy costs. however,— billion from the nation's energy costs. however, let's not forget ihei— costs. however, let's not forget ihei ihe— costs. however, let's not forget that the conservative party is noi— that the conservative party is noi immwne— that the conservative party is not immune to— that the conservative party is not immune to criticism too, as ihey— not immune to criticism too, as ihey ieeei— not immune to criticism too, as they faced their— not immune to criticism too, as they faced their fair share of eeenieie— they faced their fair share of scandals. so— they faced their fair share of scandals. so for— they faced their fair share of scandals. so for the great hriiieh— scandals. so for the great british debate,- scandals. so for the great british debate, i'm asking , are british debate, i'm asking, are iehowr— british debate, i'm asking, are iehowriwei— british debate, i'm asking, are iehowrrwei ee— british debate, i'm asking, are labourjust as bad as the tories labour just as bad as the tories 7 labour just as bad as the tories e iei— labour just as bad as the tories e iei me— labour just as bad as the tories ? let me introduce— labour just as bad as the tories ? let me introduce you to my gweeie— ? let me introduce you to my gweeie io— ? let me introduce you to my guests to discuss— ? let me introduce you to my guests to discuss that . nigel guests to discuss that. nigel hereon— guests to discuss that. nigel nelson, jimmys_ guests to discuss that. nigel nelson, jimmys senior political eormneneorii— nelson, jimmys senior political commentator reem ibrahim gb news eonirihwion— commentator reem ibrahim gb news contributor. peter— commentator reem ibrahim gb news contributor. peter spencer, hoiiiieei— contributor. peter spencer, political commentator. well, ieiei— political commentator. well, ieien im— political commentator. well, peter, i'm going— political commentator. well, peter, i'm going to start with yow— peter, i'm going to start with we r— peter, i'm going to start with we r neen— peter, i'm going to start with you. i mean, look— peter, i'm going to start with you. i mean, look at labour. keep— you. i mean, look at labour. keep going— you. i mean, look at labour. keep going backwards on ideas ihei— keep going backwards on ideas ihei ihey-we— keep going backwards on ideas ihei ihey-we hwi— keep going backwards on ideas that they've put forwards a lot of that they've put forwards a lot oi ihe— that they've put forwards a lot

oi ihe ihinge— that they've put forwards a lot of the things that they're their whe— of the things that they're their one ee— of the things that they're their one ereo— of the things that they're their mps are also embroiled in eeenieie— mps are also embroiled in scandals as— mps are also embroiled in scandals as well. i mean, they ieei— scandals as well. i mean, they ieei ihe— scandals as well. i mean, they feel like they're— scandals as well. i mean, they feel like they're all just as hei— feel like they're all just as hei ee— feel like they're all just as bad as each— feel like they're all just as bad as each other to make any ewggeeiion— bad as each other to make any ewggeeiion oi— bad as each other to make any suggestion of parity here to, to gwoie— suggestion of parity here to, to gwoie iiergerei— suggestion of parity here to, to quote margaret thatcher's iegeniery— quote margaret thatcher's legendary press officer of years ago,— legendary press officer of years ego, herneri— legendary press officer of years ago, bernard ingham, this is a hwnhwm — ago, bernard ingham, this is a hwnhwm eni— ago, bernard ingham, this is a bunkum and balderdash look, sue erey— bunkum and balderdash look, sue erey ween— bunkum and balderdash look, sue orey weeh ehe— bunkum and balderdash look, sue gray yeah, she does— bunkum and balderdash look, sue gray yeah, she does appear to hewe— gray yeah, she does appear to hewe heem— gray yeah, she does appear to hewe heen e— gray yeah, she does appear to have been a bit— gray yeah, she does appear to have been a bit slippy. r:r:i; have been a bit slippy. slidey wiih— have been a bit slippy. slidey wiih ihe— have been a bit slippy. slidey with the rules,— have been a bit slippy. slidey with the rules, a bit naughty . with the rules, a bit naughty. that actually adds up to a sort of a pothole in sir keir starmer's road to number 10 converse lee. we have the conservatives— rzi;r:i; we have the conservatives apparently iieehheering— conservatives apparently disappearing into a giant einhhoie— disappearing into a giant sinkhole of— disappearing into a giant sinkhole of sleaze and mendacity and sinkhole of sleaze and mendacity eni generei— sinkhole of sleaze and mendacity and general awfulness. i mean, whei— and general awfulness. i mean, whei ee— and general awfulness. i mean, whei ihey— and general awfulness. i mean, what are they voting on tomorrow in ihe— what are they voting on tomorrow in ihe howee— what are they voting on tomorrow in the house of— what are they voting on tomorrow in the house of commons? ihey-re— in the house of commons? ihey-re woiing — in the house of commons? they're voting on- in the house of commons? they're voting on the- they're voting on the conservative dominated privileges committee, finding that boris johnson on conservative prime minister lied and lied and lied again through his teeth about the watergate

parties. now, i mean , we're a parties. now, i mean, we're a bit brutalised by stuff going on, but you know , let's just on, but you know, let's just step back a bit. it is quite a big deal to lie to parliament and john profumo, when he did it 60 years ago, he just did it the once and he was out and it took ten years of being a thoroughly good boy in the east end before he anything forgiven in he got anything like forgiven in so, so this parity thing, i think simply does not stack up at all. well, reem, what do you mine— at all. well, reem, what do you ihinhe reen— at all. well, reem, what do you ihinhe veeh i— at all. well, reem, what do you think? yeah i mean,— at all. well, reem, what do you think? yeah i mean, i- well, reem, what do you think? yeah i mean, i think it's a think? yeah i mean, i think it's e heniewieriy— think? yeah i mean, i think it's a particularly interesting point ehowi— a particularly interesting point ehowi ihe— a particularly interesting point about the fact— a particularly interesting point about the fact that we've kind of about the fact that we've kind oi ieeiinei — about the fact that we've kind of declined our— about the fact that we've kind of declined our standards when it of declined our standards when ii omee— of declined our standards when ii io— of declined our standards when it comes to these— of declined our standards when it comes to these political eeenieie— it comes to these political eeenieie. — it comes to these political scandals. we've- it comes to these political scandals. �*rfirrzi; it comes to these political scandals. we've we seem to be sort of more accepting of them now. and i'm looking at both the labour party and the conservative party. really conservative party. i really don't have kind of hope for don't have any kind of hope for the . we've the the future. we've got the highest burden, years. highest tax burden, 70 years. we've conservative we've got a conservative party that more concerned with that is more concerned with identity politics, with internal divisions, with ideological conversation about where the party's direction is really

going. and we've got a labour party that seems to want to have a national energy company and wants to see more growth but still supports the increase in corporation tax. of these corporation tax. all of these policies seem to not be working. i fundamental am a libertarian. i fundamental am a libertarian. i believe that the state, no matter is in charge , has the matter who is in charge, has the propensity to do more harm than good. care what colour good. i don't care what colour tie you're you are tie you're wearing, you are a bad politician . nigel nelson. bad politician. nigel nelson. reen— bad politician. nigel nelson. veeh i— bad politician. nigel nelson. veeh iiwei— bad politician. nigel nelson. yeah, i just think— airr: cit. nigel nelson. yeah, i just think that the tory party— yeah, i just think that the tory reriy hee— yeah, i just think that the tory heriy hee ioei— yeah, i just think that the tory party has lost its— yeah, i just think that the tory party has lost its way. i mean, ihey-we— party has lost its way. i mean, ihey-we heem— party has lost its way. i mean, they've been in— party has lost its way. i mean, they've been in government for 13 they've been in government for h yee— they've been in government for h ye ie— they've been in government for 13 years, 13 years— they've been in government for 13 years, 13 years is probably rre— 13 years, 13 years is probably we, ihe— 13 years, 13 years is probably we, ihe me— 13 years, 13 years is probably the, the max minimum that any gowernmeni— the, the max minimum that any government should be in place when— government should be in place when ii— government should be in place when it comes— government should be in place when it comes down to is there an when it comes down to is there en egwiweienee— when it comes down to is there an equivalence between between the an equivalence between between ihe iwo— an equivalence between between ihe iwo heriiee— an equivalence between between the two parties with the various eeeniei— the two parties with the various scandal holes— the two parties with the various scandal holes and— the two parties with the various scandal holes and mistakes and so scandal holes and mistakes and eo one— scandal holes and mistakes and eo one i— scandal holes and mistakes and eo one i iwei— scandal holes and mistakes and so on? i just said— scandal holes and mistakes and so on? i just said not. i tend to so on? i just said not. i tend io egree— so on? i just said not. i tend io egree wiih— so on? i just said not. i tend to agree with peter on this one. i to agree with peter on this one. i ihinh— to agree with peter on this one. i ihinh ihei— to agree with peter on this one. i think that the— to agree with peter on this one. i think that the that sue gray hee— i think that the that sue gray hee hrohehiy— i think that the that sue gray has probably broken a very minor iwe— has probably broken a very minor rwie. iie— has probably broken a very minor rwie. ii-e e— has probably broken a very minor rule. it's a technical breach. i ion-i— rule. it's a technical breach. i ion-i ihinh— rule. it's a technical breach. i don't think that— rule. it's a technical breach. i don't think that it's up there wiih— don't think that it's up there wiih perry— don't think that it's up there with party games. so. so that's ohey— with party games. so. so that's ohey ihen. — with party games. so. so that's ohey ihen. so—

with party games. so. so that's okay then. so it— with party games. so. so that's okay then. c okay then. so it seems to me that it's okay for sue gray to be a bit of a rule while she's investing. dating partygate the big thing that you've kind of got boris johnson is okay for got boris johnson on is okay for her to then be in talks with sir keir starmer potentially during this investigation? we don't know the exact timings because she's refused to talk she's kind of refused to talk about things in the about certain things in the meantime, we're hounding boris johnson . do you not think that johnson. do you not think that perhaps we're giving the labour party bit of a clear pass ? party a bit of a clear pass? whilst i admit that i feel that the tories have been in for too long? peter, surely we need to be looking slightly more closely at the labour party now . it's at the labour party now. it's worth remembering- at the labour party now. it's worth remembering of- worth remembering of course the iehowr— worth remembering of course the iehowr heriy— worth remembering of course the labour party happens to be the ohhoeiie— labour party happens to be the ohhoeiie eni— labour party happens to be the opposite and the— labour party happens to be the opposite and the government is the government— opposite and the government is the government .— opposite and the government is the government . they're the the government. they're the heohie— the government. they're the heohie ihei— the government. they're the people that set— the government. they're the people that set rules and ihey-re— people that set rules and ihey-re ihe— people that set rules and they're the people who expect heohie— they're the people who expect people-them- they're the people who expect people them. now they're the people who expect people-them. now us people to abide them. now let us eoneiier— people to abide them. now let us consider-footage— people to abide them. now let us consider footage that the consider the footage that the minor-io - consider the footage that the minor-io gei- consider the footage that the mirror to get hold of mirror managed to get hold of which— mirror managed to get hold of which-which— mirror managed to get hold of which which which of course which they which which of course is which they which which of course ie eii— which they which which of course ie eii oer— which they which which of course ie eii eh— which they which which of course is all over gb news— which they which which of course is all over gb news and elsewhere— is all over gb news and elsewhere of— is all over gb news and elsewhere of something. it ioohei— elsewhere of something. it looked like— elsewhere of something. it looked like a— elsewhere of something. it looked like a tacky episode of the looked like a tacky episode of ihe oi— looked like a tacky episode of ihe oi ihe— looked like a tacky episode of the of the office. _ looked like a tacky episode of the of the office. there we go wiih—

the of the office. there we go wiih pebble— the of the office. there we go with people flagrantly ignored horing— with people flagrantly ignored horing ihe— with people flagrantly ignored boring the rules— with people flagrantly ignored boring the rules and just eoneiier— boring the rules and just consider how— boring the rules and just consider how this is likely to play— consider how this is likely to prey wiih— consider how this is likely to prey wiih ihe — consider how this is likely to play with the public. i mean ihie— play with the public. i mean ihie ihe— play with the public. i mean this the imagery is so graphic eni— this the imagery is so graphic eni iei— this the imagery is so graphic eni iei we— this the imagery is so graphic and let us think— this the imagery is so graphic and let us think about the eiegee— and let us think about the eiegee oi— and let us think about the stages of grief— and let us think about the stages of grief we've had. the ihei— stages of grief we've had. the iirei we— stages of grief we've had. the first we have— stages of grief we've had. the first we have the _ stages of grief we've had. the first we have the first stage of grief— first we have the first stage of griei ie— first we have the first stage of grief is denial.— first we have the first stage of grief is denial. the second is enge— grief is denial. the second is enge ihei— grief is denial. the second is anger. that are— grief is denial. the second is anger. that are so many people out anger. that are so many people owi ihere— anger. that are so many people owi ihere who— anger. that are so many people out there who lost— anger. that are so many people out there who lost loved ones iwring— out there who lost loved ones iwring ihe— out there who lost loved ones during the during the covid ehiiemie— during the during the covid epidemic, who— during the during the covid epidemic, who couldn't even say gooihye— epidemic, who couldn't even say gooihye io— epidemic, who couldn't even say goodbye to them.— epidemic, who couldn't even say goodbye to them. and you got iheee— goodbye to them. and you got iheee gwye— goodbye to them. and you got these guys simply just putting two these guys simply just putting iwo iingere— these guys simply just putting iwo iingere wh— these guys simply just putting two fingers up to the lot of ihem. — two fingers up to the lot of ihem. _how- two fingers up to the lot of them.-how it's- two fingers up to the lot of them. how it's going to them. that's how it's going to ieei.— them. that's how it's going to ieei—i- them. that's how it's going toi ieei—i ihinh read. so to that extent, i think ihey— read. so to that extent, i think ihey hewe— read. so to that extent, i think they have really,— read. so to that extent, i think they have really, really blotted ihei— they have really, really blotted iheir copy— they have really, really blotted their copy book. _ they have really, really blotted their copy book. true, true. but again, we haven't scrutinised. the labour party might have been getting to stuff like that. getting up to stuff like that. we have heard about we just may not have heard about it, , are they? absolutely. it, read, are they? absolutely. we it, read, are they? absolutely. we—we— it, read, are they? absolutely. we—we iooh- it, read, are they? absolutely. we—we iooh .- it, read, are they? absolutely. we _we look , we. we you know, we look, we focus on-coneeneiiwe— we you know, we look, we focus on conservative party on the conservative party heee— on the conservative party- because-government. because they're in government. hwi— because they're in government. hwi-ioeen-i— because they're in government. but doesn't necessarily but that doesn't necessarily neen—heriyi mean that the labour party or any— mean that the labour party or any-pariy_ mean that the labour party or eny-heny eiiee- any labour party aides would hewe— any labour party aides would hewe eeiei— any labour party aides would have acted differently just have acted any differently just heee— have acted any differently just because-come— have acted any differently just because come from a because they come from a iiiiereni— because they come from a different doesn't mean because they come from a diffethey're doesn't mean because they come from a diffethey're innately 't mean because they come from a diffethey're innately somehow that they're innately somehow gooi— that they're innately somehow gooi .— that they're innately somehow gooi ioieeriy— that they're innately somehow good .-clearly-i- that they're innately somehow

good . clearly i mean, good. and clearly that i mean, i ioieiiy— good. and clearly that i mean, i ioieiiy egree— good. and clearly that i mean, i totally agree that— good. and clearly that i mean, i totally agree that that that ihei— totally agree that that that ihei wiieo— totally agree that that that that video that— totally agree that that that that video that the mirror menegei— that video that the mirror menegei io— that video that the mirror managed to get of is managed to get hold of is eheoiwieiy— managed to get hold of is absolutely and— managed to get hold of is absolutely and really just kind of absolutely and really just kind oi ehowe— absolutely and really just kind oi ehowe ihe— absolutely and really just kind of shows the kind of zeitgeist ihei— of shows the kind of zeitgeist ihei werre— of shows the kind of zeitgeist that we're . at _ of shows the kind of zeitgeist that we're . at the - of shows the kind of zeitgeist that we're at the moment. that we're in at the moment. we-we— that we're in at the moment. weoe-ihe— that we're in at the moment. we've-the-thel we've seen the way that the ioehiowne— we've seen the way that the lockdowns impacted us lockdowns have impacted us economically,— lockdowns have impacted us economically, emotionally , economically, emotionally, hhyeieeiiy,— economically, emotionally, physically the _ economically, emotionally, physically, the way that businesses _ physically, the way that businesses have had to shut iowh— businesses have had to shut iown eni— businesses have had to shut down, and then— businesses have had to shut down, and then all by contrast, goi— down, and then all by contrast, we've got these— down, and then all by contrast, we've got these politicians, goi— we've got these politicians, we've got these— we've got these politicians, we've got these we've got we've got these aides, we've got iheee— we've got these aides, we've got these staffers— we've got these aides, we've got these staffers dancing and partying— these staffers dancing and partying whilst rest of us partying whilst the rest of us are partying whilst the rest of us ere-i— partying whilst the rest of us ere-i ihinh- partying whilst the rest of us are-i think it's- are suffering. i think it's gwiie— are suffering. i think it's quite about— are suffering. i think it's quite about government's quite about the government's eeiione— quite about the government's eeiione .— quite about the government's actions . again,— quite about the government's actions . again, though, that actions. again, though, that ioeen-i— actions. again, though, that doesn't mean— actions. again, though, that doesn't mean labour party doesn't mean the labour party wowii— doesn't mean the labour party wowii hewe— doesn't mean the labour party would have acted— would have acted any differently. - would have acted any differently. listen , differently. well, listen, airmen,— differently. well, listen, abraham, thank much. abraham, thank you very much. aho— abraham, thank you very much. also i— abraham, thank you very much. who . heer— abraham, thank you very much. also , peter spencer,— abraham, thank you very much. also , peter spencer,-to - also, peter spencer, good to talk and nigel nelson, talk to you. and nigel nelson, thank your views. so thank you for your views. so what you think what do you think? do you think the party are just as bad the labour party are just as bad as the tories? you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're and we're live on tv online and on digital break, digital radio. after the break, we'll with great we'll continue with the great british this hour. and british debate this hour. and i'm asking our labourjust as bad tories. you'll hear bad as the tories. you'll hear the of my panel, author the thoughts of my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton broadcaster and broadcaster christine hanjournalist broadcaster and broadcaster christine hanjournalist brkelly. ;ter and journalist danny kelly. but first, latest first, let's get your latest news headlines . thanks,

first, let's get your latest news headlines. thanks, nana. hei.— news headlines. thanks, nana. hei. hee-e— news headlines. thanks, nana. 4:34. here's the— news headlines. thanks, nana. 4:34. here's the latest- : thanks, nana. 4:34. here's the latest from the gb 4:34. here's the latest from the eh hewe— 4:34. here's the latest from the gb news room.— 4:34. here's the latest from the gb news room. the met. police say— gb news room. the met. police eey iie— gb news room. the met. police eey ii-e eee— gb news room. the met. police say it's aware of— gb news room. the met. police say it's aware of new footage ehowing— say it's aware of new footage showing conservative staff partying— showing conservative staff partying during lockdown and going— partying during lockdown and rowing ehowi— partying during lockdown and joking about covid restrictions. ani— joking about covid restrictions. ani ie— joking about covid restrictions. and is considering it. michael gove— and is considering it. michael eowe .— and is considering it. michael eowe , ihe— and is considering it. michael gove , the levelling up gove, the levelling up eeereiery— gove, the levelling up secretary, has apologised and ieeerihing— secretary, has apologised and describing the— secretary, has apologised and describing the behaviour as unacceptable— describing the behaviour as unacceptable in the footage ohieinei— unacceptable in the footage ohieinei hy— unacceptable in the footage obtained by the _ unacceptable in the footage obtained by the mirror, tory eim— obtained by the mirror, tory eieii en— obtained by the mirror, tory staff can be— obtained by the mirror, tory staff can be seen ignoring eoeiei— staff can be seen ignoring social distancing rules imposed by social distancing rules imposed hy ihe— social distancing rules imposed by the conservative government at by the conservative government ei ihe— by the conservative government ei ihe heighi— by the conservative government at the height of— by the conservative government at the height of the pandemic. iwo— at the height of the pandemic. iwo oi— at the height of the pandemic. iwo oi ihe— at the height of the pandemic. two of the 24— at the height of the pandemic. two of the 24 people at the chrieimee— two of the 24 people at the christmas party— two of the 24 people at the christmas party were later named in home— christmas party were later named in boris johnson's— christmas party were later named in boris johnson's resignation honoe— in boris johnson's resignation honoe riei— in boris johnson's resignation honoe iiei .— in boris johnson's resignation honours list . nicola sturgeon honours list. nicola sturgeon oninwee— honours list. nicola sturgeon continues to— honours list. nicola sturgeon continues to maintain her innocence after- continues to maintain her innocence after being questioned by innocence after being questioned hy ioriee— innocence after being questioned by police investigating snp iineneee— by police investigating snp finances last— by police investigating snp finances last weekend . finances last weekend. scotland's— finances last weekend. scotland's former first minister ehohe— scotland's former first minister ehohe ee— scotland's former first minister ehowe ee ehe— scotland's former first minister spoke as she returned home for the spoke as she returned home for ihe ihei— spoke as she returned home for the first time— spoke as she returned home for the first time since being eneeiei— the first time since being arrested and— the first time since being arrested and released without energe— arrested and released without eherge . — arrested and released without eherge . vow— arrested and released without charge . you know,- arrested and released without

charge. r/ritr. rtir c arrested and released without charge . r/ritr. rtir c charge. you know, i can't say very much just now what i will say is reiterate the statement issued last sunday am certain that have done nothing wrong and intend to be back in parliament intend to be back in parliament in the early part of the week. i'll make myself available for questions then. obviously within the constraints that i'm referring to right now . for now, referring to right now. for now, i intend to go home, catch up with some family. i i intend to go home, catch up with some family . i know i intend to go home, catch up with some family. i know i'm a pubuc with some family. i know i'm a public figure, accept what comes with that, but i'm also a human being that is entitled to a bit of privacy . more than 10,000 of privacy. more than 10,000 geome— of privacy. more than 10,000 heohie hewe— of privacy. more than 10,000 people have been— rrirrtg more than 10,000 people have been detected eroeeing— people have been detected crossing the _ people have been detected crossing the english channel in emeii— crossing the english channel in emeii home— crossing the english channel in small boats so— crossing the english channel in small boats so far— crossing the english channel in small boats so far this year. home— small boats so far this year. home office— small boats so far this year. home office figures have eoniirmei— home office figures have confirmed that crossings have iemei— confirmed that crossings have increased because of the recent gooi— increased because of the recent gooi weeihen— increased because of the recent good weather, with more than hooe— good weather, with more than zeoo heohie — good weather, with more than 2500 people making the journey in ihe— 2500 people making the journey in ihe heei— 2500 people making the journey in the past week,— 2500 people making the journey in the past week, however, the ioiei— in the past week, however, the ioiei nmeh— in the past week, however, the total number of— in the past week, however, the total number of crossings so far ihie— total number of crossings so far ihie yeer— total number of crossings so far this year remains— total number of crossings so far this year remains below the egwiweieni— this year remains below the equivalent number at this time ieei— equivalent number at this time ieei yeer— equivalent number at this time ieei yeer .— equivalent number at this time ieei yeer . oney,— equivalent number at this time last year . okay, you can get last year. okay, you can get on eii— last year. okay, you can get more on all of— last year. okay, you can get more on all of those stories by wieiiing— more on all of those stories by wieiiing ow— more on all of those stories by visiting our website , visiting our website, cbnnews.com. now let's get

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forces? join me mark white on . forces? join me mark white on. gb forces? join me mark white on. eh wewe. — forces? join me mark white on. gb news. good— forces? join me mark white on. gb news. l: t gb news. good afternoon. welcome back. this is a gb news on tv onune back. this is a gb news on tv online and on digital radio. don't forget to download the gb news app where you can check out all the programmes here on the channel. i'm nana, akua and it's time for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking are labourjust as bad as the tories? both parties have been involved in political scandals , involved in political scandals, but who do you trust to lead our country and to start ? some would country and to start? some would say that sue gray and the scandal that surround her reveals a shocking lack of integrity within the labour party. and according to the reports , former civil

reports, a former senior civil servants , which is what she was, servants, which is what she was, she ethics . she was the she was an ethics. she was the chief ethics, wasn't she ? chief of ethics, wasn't she? she's have breached she's believed to have breached impartiality rules when held impartiality rules when she held talks join sir keir starmers talks to join sir keir starmers party his chief of staff. party as his chief of staff. furthermore there was the beergate situation. remember that angela rayner was there , that angela rayner was there, but then she wasn't. or she wasn't there. then she was. and but then she wasn't. or she wrwas there. then she was. and but then she wasn't. or she wrwas thtimpromptu e was. and but then she wasn't. or she wrwas thtimpromptu gatheringj but then she wasn't. or she wrwas thtimpromptu gathering . it was an impromptu gathering. but there was a memo. but then there was a memo. i mean obviously they didn't, they weren't found guilty of anything, but a lot of scandal there. has this tarnished the labour in labour party's reputation in your view? i mean, they were cleared of any wrongdoing. they've pledged to cover they've also pledged to cover pubuc they've also pledged to cover public land and housing estates with solar panels . is this with solar panels. is this feasible and realist stick? i mean, how could you do that? what it would be like an eyesore of solar panels? will the of solar panels? what will the damage be to the rest of the environment? how does that really pan out ? this is all part really pan out? this is all part of plan. aim to of their net zero plan. aim to cut £93 billion from the nation's economy . energy costs. nation's economy. energy costs. however, let's not forget the conservatives as well. mean , conservatives as well. i mean, they're to criticism. they're not immune to criticism.

as literally as you know, we've literally been on them throughout been focusing on them throughout what they've faced their fair share of scandals, partygate. we've got this latest thing with the thing going on with they're not civil servants, but people who are helping the mayor potential mayoral candidate. i mean, so what do you think for the great british debate this hour? other labour hour? i'm asking other labour just as bad the just party just as bad as the tories. joining to tories. so joining me now to discuss, my panel, author and broadcaster hamilton discuss, my panel, author and broadcastbroadcaster hamilton discuss, my panel, author and broadcastbroadcaster and|ilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. so christine hamilton , what do you christine hamilton, what do you think? are they just as bad as each other or are we stuck ? each other or are we stuck? well, i think we're going to ini— well, i think we're going to iini owi— well, i think we're going to find out fairly— well, i think we're going to find out fairly soon, aren't we? in — find out fairly soon, aren't we? in eireii— find out fairly soon, aren't we? i'm afraid it's— find out fairly soon, aren't we? i'm afraid it's this— find out fairly soon, aren't we? i'm afraid it's this great rwggernewi— i'm afraid it's this great juggernaut labour juggernaut of the labour gowernmeni— juggernaut of the labour government us government is coming towards us reieniieeeiy— government is coming towards us relentlessly closer— government is coming towards us relentlessly closer and closer. i relentlessly closer and closer. i mwei— relentlessly closer and closer. i mwei eey. — relentlessly closer and closer. i must say. these— relentlessly closer and closer. i must say. these latest shenanigans— i must say. these latest shenanigans about the tories are mini— shenanigans about the tories are mini hiowing— shenanigans about the tories are mind blowing just— shenanigans about the tories are mind blowing just when you ihowghi— mind blowing just when you ihowghi yow— mind blowing just when you thought you couldn't get any eni— thought you couldn't get any more and along— thought you couldn't get any more and along comes and it's wnioriwneie— more and along comes and it's unfortunate for— more and along comes and it's unfortunate for them that this exireoriinery— unfortunate for them that this extraordinary video of people ieiiing— extraordinary video of people ieiiing oer— extraordinary video of people falling over onto— extraordinary video of people falling over onto the table of iooi— falling over onto the table of iooi eni— falling over onto the table of food and drink— falling over onto the table of food and drink and somebody

weniering— food and drink and somebody wandering across— food and drink and somebody wandering across with with a ieei.— wandering across with with a he. ii— wandering across with with a he. ii ii— wandering across with with a he. ii ii ie— wandering across with with a beer. it it is absolutely extraordinary. it is this one mie— extraordinary. it is this one rwie ior— extraordinary. it is this one rule for them— extraordinary. it is this one rule for them and one for the ieei— rule for them and one for the reei oi— rule for them and one for the reei oi — rule for them and one for the rest of us. and— rule for them and one for the rest of us. and i'm not ewmrieei— rest of us. and i'm not surprised. people who had iwnereie— surprised. people who had iwnereie .— surprised. people who had funerals , etcetera, and lost funerals, etcetera, and lost irienie— funerals, etcetera, and lost friends and— funerals, etcetera, and lost friends and family, etcetera, wnier— friends and family, etcetera, wnier very— friends and family, etcetera, under very difficult circumstances who were obeying iheee— circumstances who were obeying iheee rwiee— circumstances who were obeying iheee rwiee eni— circumstances who were obeying these rules and these are the people— these rules and these are the heohie who— these rules and these are the people who were— these rules and these are the people who were making the rules . ihey— people who were making the rules . ihey mighi— people who were making the rules . ihey mighi noi— people who were making the rules . they might not have been the minieiere— . they might not have been the ministers, but— . they might not have been the ministers, but they were the heehwh— ministers, but they were the heehwh ior— ministers, but they were the backup for the _ ministers, but they were the backup for the minister, they were-ioriee— backup for the minister, they were tories power. were the tories in power. they were—rules that. were the tories in power. theyi were—rules that all were making the rules that all the were making the rules that all ihe ieei— were making the rules that all ihe reei oi— were making the rules that all the rest of us— were making the rules that all the rest of us had— were making the rules that all the rest of us had to. no the rest of us had to. so no mie— the rest of us had to. so no wonier—ihe- the rest of us had to. so no- wonder_the moment the rest of us had to. so no- w(on er_the moment the rest of us had to. so no- w(on the _the moment the rest of us had to. so no w(0n the governing the moment the rest of us had to. so no w(0n the governing party.|oment the rest of us had to. so no w(0n the governing party. of|ent is on the governing party. of ii— is on the governing party. of ii ie— is on the governing party. of course it is, because that's where— course it is, because that's where ii— course it is, because that's where it should— course it is, because that's where it should be. but the sue mey— where it should be. but the sue mey-i— where it should be. but the sue mey-i ion-i— where it should be. but the sue gray-i don't know- where it should be. but the sue gray i don't know that gray thing, i don't know that iie— gray thing, i don't know that he eii— gray thing, i don't know that it's all completely come out yet ehowi— it's all completely come out yet ehowi-mey,— it's all completely come out yet about-gray, but— it's all completely come out yet about-gray, but i- it's all completely come out yet about gray, but i think if about sue gray, but i think if we—whei- about sue gray, but i think if we _what then- about sue gray, but i think if. we _what then what about sue gray, but i think if- we _what then what we we had known what then what we hnow— we had known what then what we know ehe— we had known what then what we know now, she would never have heem— know now, she would never have heem-energe— know now, she would never have been _charge .this - been put in charge of this heriygeie— been put in charge of this partygate-|- been put in charge of this. partygate-i-that partygate thing. i mean that eiinhe— partygate thing. i mean that eiinhe-i— partygate thing. i mean that stinks.-i don't- partygate thing. i mean that stinks. i don't think stinks. just as i don't think herneri— stinks. just as i don't think bernard jenkins— stinks. just as i don't think bernard jenkins should have eieyei— bernard jenkins should have eieyei on— bernard jenkins should have stayed on the— bernard jenkins should have stayed on the privileges committee. _ stayed on the privileges committee. oh, that was ridiculous.— committee. oh, that was ridiculous-he- committee. oh, that was ridiculous. he knew ridiculous. when he knew herieeiiy— ridiculous. when he knew perfectly-that- ridiculous. when he knew perfectly .that to perfectly well that he'd been to his perfectly well that he'd been to hie—perry- perfectly well that he'd been to hie—heriy mil his wife's birthday party and where— his wife's birthday party and where there— his wife's birthday party and where there .the - his wife's birthday party and where there the was where there was the drink was meniionei— where there was the drink was mentioned in— where there was the drink was mentioned in the— where there was the drink was mentioned in the invitation for ihi— mentioned in the invitation for

we .— mentioned in the invitation for we . war,— mentioned in the invitation for tuc . well, what— mentioned in the invitation for tuc . well, what i— mentioned in the invitation for tuc . well, what i find tuc. well, what i find extraordinary about that is that her her— extraordinary about that is that her her invitation— extraordinary about that is that her her invitation and her inwiieiion— her her invitation and her invitation said— her her invitation and her invitation said this is just for a invitation said this is just for eiew— invitation said this is just for a few friends.— invitation said this is just for a few friends. well, one of ihoee— a few friends. well, one of ihoee rew— a few friends. well, one of those few friends has revealed ihei— those few friends has revealed ihei wheiemh— those few friends has revealed that whatsapp message or wheiewer— that whatsapp message or whatever it— that whatsapp message or whatever it was to the press, which— whatever it was to the press, which ie— whatever it was to the press, which is extraordinary, some meni— which is extraordinary, some new, noi— which is extraordinary, some new, noi e— which is extraordinary, some friend, not a good friend . \ri:r friend, not a good friend. not a meme— friend, not a good friend. not a friend. friend.— friend, not a good friend. not a friend. friend. you— friend, not a good friend. not a friend. friend. you want danny? the difference between the two parties. isee, the difference between the two parties. i see, is something ihei-e— parties. i see, is something ihei-e heem— parties. i see, is something that's been going- i see, is something that's been going back generations. - that's been going back generations. the labour party are generations. the labour party hrimming— generations. the labour party are brimming with ideals. um, ihey— are brimming with ideals. um, they—standards- are brimming with ideals. um, they standards that they have these standards that ihey— they have these standards that ihey weni— they have these standards that ihey weni io— they have these standards that ihey weni io iry— they have these standards that they want to try attain and they want to try and attain and to they want to try and attain and io-whereee— they want to try and attain and to-whereas tories- they want to try and attain and to whereas tories are to reach, whereas tories are hregmeiie— to reach, whereas tories are more pragmatic, understand more pragmatic, they understand ihey-re— more pragmatic, they understand they're realists,_ more pragmatic, they understand they're realists, so— more pragmatic, they understand they're realists, so they understand— they're realists, so they understand it's not understand that it's not hoeeihie— understand that it's not possible necessarily to cut off the possible necessarily to cut off ihe oii— possible necessarily to cut off the oil because— possible necessarily to cut off the oil because people are going to the oil because people are going io heee— the oil because people are going io ireee oer— the oil because people are going to freeze over the— the oil because people are going to freeze over the winter. and ereo—imporieii also that means imported oil is going— also that means imported oil is going-more— also that means imported oil is going-more coz- also that means imported oil is going more co2 and all going to cost more co2 and all of going to cost more co2 and all oi-whereee— going to cost more co2 and all of-whereas keir- going to cost more co2 and all of whereas keir starmer, of this, whereas keir starmer, who— of this, whereas keir starmer, who ironically— of this, whereas keir starmer, who ironically back in 2010 was the who ironically back in 2010 was ihe heei— who ironically back in 2010 was ihe heei oi— who ironically back in 2010 was the head of the— who ironically back in 2010 was the head of the cps and it was his the head of the cps and it was hie ieeieion— the head of the cps and it was his decision to— the head of the cps and it was his decision to prosecute three iehowr— his decision to prosecute three iehowr whe— his decision to prosecute three labour mps and— his decision to prosecute three labour mps and one tory mp over the labour mps and one tory mp over ihe eheneee— labour mps and one tory mp over the expenses scandal . so things the expenses scandal. so things are the expenses scandal. so things coming— the expenses scandal. so things are coming round.— the expenses scandal. so things are coming round. would that party— are coming round. would that heriy hewe— are coming round. would that party have taken— are coming round. would that party have taken place, by the way,— party have taken place, by the way-a— party have taken place, by the

wey-e heiow- way, if it was a labour government?- way, if it was a labour government? i think would government? i think it would hewe—ihinh- government? i think it would. have _think these have taken place. i think these are have taken place. i think these yowng— have taken place. i think these yowng pebble— have taken place. i think these are young people letting their heir— are young people letting their heir iown. — are young people letting their hair down. you— are young people letting their hair down. you didn't anyone hair down. you didn't see anyone miiiie— hair down. you didn't see anyone. miiiie—were middle aged and above. they were on-ieneing— middle aged and above. they were on-ieneing .— middle aged and above. they were on-dancing .idon't- on that dancing. i don't know whei— on that dancing. i don't know whei wee— on that dancing. i don't know what was criminal, what was more criminal, the meme— what was more criminal, the offence dancing. offence or the dancing. heeiie— offence or the dancing. dreadful, awful- offence or the dancing. dreadful, awful people of that age be dancing, dreadful, awful people of that age be dancing , not age shouldn't be dancing, not dancing like that in the dancing like that woman in the red she will, for the red dress. she will, for the heneiii— red dress. she will, for the heneiii oi— red dress. she will, for the benefit of our— ”cc r: she will, for the benefit of our radio listeners, yowe— benefit of our radio listeners, yowe goi— benefit of our radio listeners, yowe goi yowe— benefit of our radio listeners, you've got you've . it is like you've got you've. it is like eomeihing— you've got you've. it is like something out— you've got you've. it is like something out of the office. iie— something out of the office. iie-e— something out of the office. iie-e hoo— something out of the office. it's-a 1:00 dance- something out of the office. it's a 1:00 dance at the it's like a 1:00 dance at the nighieiwh— it's like a 1:00 dance at the nightclub before— it's like a 1:00 dance at the nightclub before you get kicked owi.— nightclub before you get kicked owi. wen,— nightclub before you get kicked owi. war, ii-e— nightclub before you get kicked out. well, it's jumper christmas rwmher. — out. well, it's jumper christmas iwmher. liner— out. well, it's jumper christmas iwmher. lihei e— out. well, it's jumper christmas jumper. 7 jumper. is that a christmas? poor is jumper. is that a christmas? poor-re going— jumper. is that a christmas? poor- is going .be - jumper. is that a christmas? poor-is going-be so. poor girl. is going to be so embarrassed.— poor girl. is going to be so embarrassed. they embarrassed. well, they all are. but embarrassed. well, they all are. hwi-yowng. — embarrassed. well, they all are. hwi-yowng. |mm- embarrassed. well, they all are. but-young. imean, they. but they're young. i mean, they look like sort of no excuse. not that young. would look like sort of no excuse. - not that young. -would have not that young. that would have hemenei— happened. they were in responsible— responsible jobs that would have hmhenei— responsible jobs that would have happened-labour- happened with a labour government— happened with a labour government you are government and nana. you are heng— government and nana. you are heng on— government and nana. you are heng on ihe— government and nana. you are bang on the money. again, that picture of the curry and the beer wokeist in the north—east. i at the time that the that i said at the time that the that the north—east crime and police commissioner is a labour wallah. so of course they're going to turn a blind eye. there was no difference to keir starmer holding a bottle of lager, tucking a curry there tucking into a curry as there was boris johnson having a was with boris johnson having a

slice cake holding up slice of cake or holding up a glass wine. but they glass of red wine. but they wowii— glass of red wine. but they wowii ergwe — glass of red wine. but they would argue that- g ri;r: but they would argue that they are not eon— would argue that they are not eori oi— would argue that they are not sort of probably— would argue that they are not sort of probably have to say ihey— sort of probably have to say. ihey—ihey-re they would argue that they're not they would argue that they're moi—ihei- they would argue that they're moi—ihei ihey| not party political, that they wowii—inl not party political, that theyi would _ in the not party political, that they- would_in the way would uphold the law in the way ihey— would uphold the law in the way ihey eee— would uphold the law in the way ihey iii.— would uphold the law in the way they see fit. and— would uphold the law in the way they see fit. and actually they . in— they see fit. and actually they . in ihei— they see fit. and actually they , in their view,— they see fit. and actually they , in their view, did— they see fit. and actually they , in their view, did not believe ihei— , in their view, did not believe ihei heir— , in their view, did not believe that keir starmer— , in their view, did not believe that keir starmer broke the law or hrohe— that keir starmer broke the law or hrohe ihe— that keir starmer broke the law or broke the rules— that keir starmer broke the law or broke the rules at all. so mmy— or broke the rules at all. so many-people- or broke the rules at all. so mmy-reorie io- or broke the rules at all. so many people do think he many other people do think he did well to me it looks pretty blatant me, but not the blatant to me, but i'm not the crime commissioner durham crime commissioner in durham there. i'm not the making there. i'm not the one making there. i'm not the one making ihe-on— there. i'm not the one making ihe-on ihei. - there. i'm not the one making ihe-on ihei. i- there. i'm not the one making the-on that. i think. the decisions on that. i think ihei— the decisions on that. i think ihei whei— the decisions on that. i think that what he _ the decisions on that. i think that what he did— the decisions on that. i think that what he did pretty much that what he did was pretty much egwiweieni— that what he did was pretty much egwiweieni-heriy— that what he did was pretty much equivalent party that equivalent to a party that ewhhoeeiiy— equivalent to a party that supposedly boris johnson eiieniei— supposedly boris johnson attended-did- supposedly boris johnson attended did equivalent attended or did its equivalent to attended or did its equivalent io—wiih- attended or did its equivalent to _with those to that party there with those young— to that party there with those young pebble— to that party there with those young people dancing around. and why yow— young people dancing around. and why yow wowii— young people dancing around. and why yow wowii iry— young people dancing around. and why you would try and conceal oi— why you would try and conceal oi ihe— why you would try and conceal some of the information is heyoni— some of the information is heyoni — some of the information is beyond me. but- some of the information is beyond me. some of the information is- beyond me. but may i just come up with a conspiracy theory that i think is quite reasonable and i think is quite reasonable and i don't think it's too outlandish. but someone who's been video for been sitting on that video for nearly three now, because nearly three years now, because the released a while the photos were released a while ago, of ago , that ago, a number of years ago, that probably the same probably comes from the same camera phone. it's really camera phone. and it's really interesting out what the interesting to find out what the motivation of releasing it to the daily mirror. notice it was

the daily mirror. notice it was the they to who the mirror. they gave it to who want bring the tories. the mirror. they gave it to who wantso bring the tories. the mirror. they gave it to who want so thatig the tories. the mirror. they gave it to who want so that was the tories. the mirror. they gave it to who want so that was someonefries. the mirror. they gave it to who want so that was someone who was and so that was someone who was a conservative was a conservative staffer who was given over to a hard given that film over to a hard left . it just be left newspaper. it just be interesting, somebody who was there. be there. exactly. it'd be interesting to see what the motivation was and the timing . motivation was and the timing. well, what do you think reveal sources mustn't— well, what do you think reveal sources mustn't reveal sources, mwein-i— sources mustn't reveal sources, mwein-i whei— sources mustn't reveal sources, mwein-i whei i— sources mustn't reveal sources, mustn't what i want to know. hwi— mustn't what i want to know. hwi-ehowe— mustn't what i want to know. but-shows nothing - mustn't what i want to know. but shows nothing without but this shows nothing without you and your views. let's welcome great voices welcome our great british voices their on the their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. about the topics we're discltoing. about the topics we're disclto kidman's to have a chat over to kidman's to have a chat with our regular voice . john with our regular voice. john reid, john reid. listen, john, are they just as bad as each other? i mean, we just it's like it's like out of the frying pan into the fire, really? or. or they're hellfires. what do they're both hellfires. what do you think , nana? how can you you think, nana? how can you hoeeihiy— you think, nana? how can you possibly compare— you think, nana? how can you possibly compare the- \r 7 how can you possibly compare the two parties on e eeeie oi— possibly compare the two parties on e eeeie oi i— possibly compare the two parties on a scale of 1 to— possibly compare the two parties on a scale of 1 to 10? the iehowr-e— on a scale of 1 to 10? the iehowr-e ei— on a scale of 1 to 10? the labour's at one- on a scale of 1 to 10? the labour's at one and the tories ei— labour's at one and the tories ei ii.— labour's at one and the tories ei ii. iie— labour's at one and the tories are at 11. it's just— labour's at one and the tories are at 11. it's just ridiculous. vow— are at 11. it's just ridiculous. you couldn't— are at 11. it's just ridiculous. you couldn't possibly trust the ioriee— you couldn't possibly trust the ioriee eny— you couldn't possibly trust the tories any longer— you couldn't possibly trust the tories any longer than you have to, tories any longer than you have io. eni— tories any longer than you have io. eni ihe— tories any longer than you have to, and the sooner— tories any longer than you have to, and the sooner they go, the heiien— to, and the sooner they go, the heiier. ween.— to, and the sooner they go, the better. yeah, nobody's perfect,

are better. yeah, nobody's perfect, iheye — better. yeah, nobody's perfect, iheye i— better. yeah, nobody's perfect, are they? i think— better. yeah, nobody's perfect, are they? i think the- better. yeah, nobody's perfect, are they? i think the labour party would have a question or two to answer. yeah, but it's noi— two to answer. yeah, but it's noi worri— two to answer. yeah, but it's not world shattering - yeah, but it's not world shattering and the min— not world shattering and the main difference— not world shattering and the main difference that i see is ihei— main difference that i see is ihei ihe— main difference that i see is that the tories— main difference that i see is that the tories were making the wee— that the tories were making the rwiee eni— that the tories were making the rwiee eni ihe— that the tories were making the rules and the labour were not. so rules and the labour were not. so ihere— rules and the labour were not. so ihere we— rules and the labour were not. so there we are. _ rules and the labour were not. so there we are. we should we. i ion-i— so there we are. we should we. i ion-i ihinh— so there we are. we should we. i don't think labour— so there we are. we should we. i don't think labour can come enywhere— don't think labour can come anywhere near— don't think labour can come anywhere near what the tories are anywhere near what the tories . gwiiiy— anywhere near what the tories are , are guilty of— anywhere near what the tories are , are guilty of and are, are guilty of and i wowiin-i— are, are guilty of and i wouldn't for- are, are guilty of and i wouldn't for one minute trust ihem — wouldn't for one minute trust them explicitly— wouldn't for one minute trust them explicitly ,_ wouldn't for one minute trust them explicitly , but i would say them explicitly, but i would say ihei— them explicitly, but i would say ihei ihey— them explicitly, but i would say ihei ihey ee— them explicitly, but i would say that they are much better bet ihem— that they are much better bet ihen ihe— that they are much better bet than the tories— that they are much better bet than the tories ever are going to than the tories ever are going io he. — than the tories ever are going io he. ani— than the tories ever are going to be. and one— than the tories ever are going to be. and one last thing nana how— to be. and one last thing nana how eowii— to be. and one last thing nana how eowii yow— to be. and one last thing nana how could you possibly vote for people— how could you possibly vote for heohie where — how could you possibly vote for people where the— how could you possibly vote for people where the youngsters wear rwmhere— people where the youngsters wear rwmhere ihe— people where the youngsters wear jumpers like that— people where the youngsters wear jumpers like that lad in the iime— jumpers like that lad in the iiime weir— jumpers like that lad in the film? well well, i don't i don't hnow— film? well well, i don't i don't know whether— film? well well, i don't i don't know whether who i'm going to woie — know whether who i'm going to woie ion — know whether who i'm going to woie ion ii— know whether who i'm going to vote for, if i'm— know whether who i'm going to vote for, if i'm totally honest wiih—oi- vote for, if i'm totally honest with _of them, i vote for, if i'm totally honest. with _of them, they with you. none of them, they are. think all are. i think they're all a nightmare. and don't subscribe nightmare. and i don't subscribe to the notion that one is better than the other at i think than the other at all. i think the party just probably the labour party just probably got a more because got away with a bit more because like weren't in like you said, they weren't in power. thank you so power. john reid, thank you so much. really to talk much. it's really good to talk to you. that's john to you. thank you. that's john reid. kidderminster. to you. thank you. that's john reid. great idderminster. to you. thank you. that's john reid. great britishinster. to you. thank you. that's john reid. great british voice. he's our great british voice. you're me. nana akua. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, on radio

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news channel. will iieoi— news channel. will good afternoon. this is gb news channel. will good aftethefn. this is gb news channel. will good aftethe people's; gb news. we are the people's channel. for world channel. it's now time for world view. you just joined me , i'm view. if you just joined me, i'm nana let's start with the nana akua. let's start with the belarusian president . who's belarusian president. who's alexander lukashenko . you said alexander lukashenko. you said that his country has started receiving deliveries of russian tactical nuclear weapons, which are reportedly three times more powerful than the bombs used in hiroshima . so joining me to talk hiroshima. so joining me to talk about that is a russian political commentator , an political commentator, an expert, danny armstrong . danny expert, danny armstrong. danny so this is a bit of a development. is it? what on earth is going on with your holac? i knew you'd have something to say about that. no, i knew. who the hell is

that? what a go on. what's going on? i've been told, poirot. and if i was a little bit more- if i was a little bit more like poirot— if i was a little bit more like ioiroi. iri— if i was a little bit more like poirot, i'd probably have a hiiie— poirot, i'd probably have a iiiiie hii— poirot, i'd probably have a little bit more— poirot, i'd probably have a little bit more clue as to whei-e— little bit more clue as to where going— little bit more clue as to what's going on in russia with iheee— what's going on in russia with these tactical— what's going on in russia with these tactical nuclear warheads. of these tactical nuclear warheads. hi-yow— these tactical nuclear warheads. hi-yow eeii- these tactical nuclear warheads. hi-yow eeii .- of course, as you said, alexander— of course, as you said, alexander lukashenko has said ihei— alexander lukashenko has said ihei here— alexander lukashenko has said that he's received— alexander lukashenko has said that he's received the first iehioymeni— that he's received the first deployment of— that he's received the first deployment of these weapons. now this deployment of these weapons. now ihe—new.— deployment of these weapons. now ihie—new. we— deployment of these weapons. now this new. we expected this is nothing new. we expected this is nothing new. we expected ihie io— this is nothing new. we expected ihie io hermen— this is nothing new. we expected this to happen. there's going to be this to happen. there's going to he-ihem— this to happen. there's going to be-them coming- this to happen. there's going to be them coming by the be more of them coming by the eni— be more of them coming by the eni oi— be more of them coming by the end of summer.— be more of them coming by the end of summer.-i- be more of them coming by the end of summer. i think the end of summer. but i think the gweeiion— end of summer. but i think the gweeiionlyowr— end of summer. but i think the question your lips, nana, if question on your lips, nana, if i question on your lips, nana, if i-eeewme— question on your lips, nana, if i-eeewme .— question on your lips, nana, if i-eeewme lis- question on your lips, nana, ifi i-assume ,.is-going i may assume, is, is this going to i may assume, is, is this going io-we— i may assume, is, is this going io-we ioee— i may assume, is, is this going io-we ioee io- i may assume, is, is this going to us closer to nuclear to bring us closer to nuclear we— to bring us closer to nuclear weir.— to bring us closer to nuclear war? well, it's— to bring us closer to nuclear war? well, it's not really going to war? well, it's not really going io mme— war? well, it's not really going to make difference because to make any difference because iiweeie-e— to make any difference because russia's still— to make any difference because russia's still going to have eoniroi— russia's still going to have control over— russia's still going to have control over those nuclear weapons,-short- control over those nuclear weapons, short range weapons, those short range ieeiieei— weapons, those short range tactical nuclear— weapons, those short range tactical nuclear warheads . but tactical nuclear warheads. but aiexenier— tactical nuclear warheads. but alexander lukashenko, the belarussian_ alexander lukashenko, the belarussian president, has said if belarussian president, has said i were— belarussian president, has said if we're aggressive, belarus as a if we're aggressive, belarus as e-we-re going- if we're aggressive, belarus as e-we-re going io- if we're aggressive, belarus as a we're going to use a state, we're going to use ihoee— a state, we're going to use those nuclear— a state, we're going to use those nuclear weapons. now wheiher— those nuclear weapons. now whether there's— those nuclear weapons. now whether there's any truth to ihoee— whether there's any truth to ihoee worie— whether there's any truth to those words ,_ whether there's any truth to those words , we— whether there's any truth to those words , we don't really those words, we don't really hnow— those words, we don't really know.-biden's- those words, we don't really know. biden's waded in on know. joe biden's waded in on the know. joe biden's waded in on ihe iorie— know. joe biden's waded in on ihe iohie .— know. joe biden's waded in on ihe iohie. he— know. joe biden's waded in on the topic. he said— know. joe biden's waded in on the topic. he said that it's ioieiiy— the topic. he said that it's totally irresponsible . that's totally irresponsible. that's ieehiie— totally irresponsible. that's ieehiie ihe — totally irresponsible. that's despite the us— totally irresponsible. that's despite the us having given nwieer— despite the us having given nuclear warheads to a number of

oninee— nuclear warheads to a number of oniriee in— nuclear warheads to a number of oniriee in ihe— nuclear warheads to a number of countries in the european union eni— countries in the european union eni oi— countries in the european union eni oi oee— countries in the european union and of course in— countries in the european union and of course in the nato oninee— and of course in the nato countries as— and of course in the nato countries as nato nuclear ehering— countries as nato nuclear ehering honey— countries as nato nuclear sharing policy allows. since the iheee.— sharing policy allows. since the iheee. oi— sharing policy allows. since the 1950s, of course,— sharing policy allows. since the 1950s, of course, since the cold wer— 1950s, of course, since the cold war r— 1950s, of course, since the cold wer . ii— 1950s, of course, since the cold wer . ii ie— 1950s, of course, since the cold war , it is seen— 1950s, of course, since the cold war , it is seen as— 1950s, of course, since the cold war , it is seen as a— 1950s, of course, since the cold war , it is seen as a move by war, it is seen as a move by iiweeie— war, it is seen as a move by iiweeie ee— war, it is seen as a move by iiweeie ee e— war, it is seen as a move by russia as a direct- war, it is seen as a move by russia as a direct response ienee— russia as a direct response ienee io— russia as a direct response dance to the— russia as a direct response dance to the west, arming wheme— dance to the west, arming ukraine and— dance to the west, arming ukraine and as— dance to the west, arming ukraine and as a warning to the weei— ukraine and as a warning to the weei eni— ukraine and as a warning to the weei eni eeying— ukraine and as a warning to the west and saying if— ukraine and as a warning to the west and saying if you get any more involved— west and saying if you get any more involved in— west and saying if you get any more involved in this ukraine war, we have our— more involved in this ukraine war, we have our nuclear werheeie— war, we have our nuclear werheeie in— war, we have our nuclear warheads in one of our ally eieiee— warheads in one of our ally eieiee .— warheads in one of our ally eieiee . so— warheads in one of our ally states . so that's- warheads in one of our ally states . so that's basically states. so that's basically where— states. so that's basically where we— states. so that's basically where we are _ states. so that's basically where we are at the moment. it's not where we are at the moment. it's noi reeiiy— where we are at the moment. it's not really bringing— where we are at the moment. it's not really bringing us any ioee— not really bringing us any closer-nuclear- not really bringing us any closer nuclear war, but it is closer to nuclear war, but it is eeeno-i— closer to nuclear war, but it is eeeno-i e- closer to nuclear war, but it is seen-of a warning. closer to nuclear war, but it is. seen-of a warning and seen as a kind of a warning and hini— seen as a kind of a warning and hini oi— seen as a kind of a warning and hini oi-io— seen as a kind of a warning and kind of-to the- seen as a kind of a warning and kind of to the west. kind of a threat to the west. hwi— kind of a threat to the west. hwi oi— kind of a threat to the west. but of course— kind of a threat to the west. but of course ,_ kind of a threat to the west. but of course , this has been but of course, this has been going— but of course, this has been going on— but of course, this has been going on within— but of course, this has been going on within nato for many, meny— going on within nato for many, meny ye — going on within nato for many, meny ye ani— going on within nato for many, many years. and many, many ieeeiee— many years. and many, many ieeeiee .— many years. and many, many decades . and— many years. and many, many decades . and there was a decades. and there was a referendum— decades. and there was a referendum a— decades. and there was a referendum a few days after the hweeim— referendum a few days after the hy— referendum a few days after the hy in— referendum a few days after the invasion by in belarus that said we weni— invasion by in belarus that said we weni io— invasion by in belarus that said we want to repeal— invasion by in belarus that said we want to repeal an act that hrohihiie— we want to repeal an act that mohihiie ihe— we want to repeal an act that prohibits the nuclear warheads heimg— prohibits the nuclear warheads being stationed— prohibits the nuclear warheads being stationed in belarus. now, ihei-e— being stationed in belarus. now, ihei-e gone— being stationed in belarus. now, here gone eni— being stationed in belarus. now, that's gone and russia are free to that's gone and russia are free io io— that's gone and russia are free to do whatever— that's gone and russia are free to do whatever they want with

ihei— to do whatever they want with their nuclear— to do whatever they want with their nuclear warheads . vladimir their nuclear warheads. vladimir hwiin— their nuclear warheads. vladimir hwiin eeiweiiy— their nuclear warheads. vladimir putin actually said— their nuclear warheads. vladimir putin actually said the saint ieierehwrg— putin actually said the saint petersburg economic forum that's heem— petersburg economic forum that's heen going— petersburg economic forum that's heen going on— petersburg economic forum that's been going on recently. he said ihei— been going on recently. he said ihei ihe— been going on recently. he said ihei ihe weei— been going on recently. he said that the west knows that we have more nuclear warheads than nato and more nuclear warheads than nato eni ihe— more nuclear warheads than nato eni ihe us. — more nuclear warheads than nato and the us. russia— more nuclear warheads than nato and the us. russia has around ehowi— and the us. russia has around ehowi eeeo— and the us. russia has around about 6000 nato— and the us. russia has around about 6000 nato and nato oninee— about 6000 nato and nato countries and— about 6000 nato and nato countries and the us have around ehowi— countries and the us have around ehowi eeeo.— countries and the us have around ehowi eeeo. he— countries and the us have around about 5500, he said.— countries and the us have around about 5500, he said. they know it. about 5500, he said. they know i. ihey— about 5500, he said. they know i. ihey weni— about 5500, he said. they know it. they want us— about 5500, he said. they know it. they want us to— about 5500, he said. they know it. they want us to reduce them . hwi— it. they want us to reduce them . hwi eni— it. they want us to reduce them . but and excuse— it. they want us to reduce them . but and excuse the expression , . but and excuse the expression . ihem— . but and excuse the expression . ihem . — . but and excuse the expression , screw them . well,- . but and excuse the expression , screw them . �*rfirrzigt . but and excuse the expression , screw them . kerri“ , screw them. well, well, that doesn't it doesn't work like that though with nuclear war, does it? if you if you think you're going set them all off you're going to set them all off to countries, they'll to other countries, they'll only the end up in the fallout will only end up in your so he's quite got your own. so he's not quite got that armstrong, that right. danny armstrong, thank good to talk thank you so much. good to talk to you. let's travel over to america now have a chat america now and have a chat with the of politics people the host of the politics people podcast duddridge. paul, podcast, paul duddridge. paul, thank you very much for joining me. all right, so let's start with trump . of course, donald with trump. of course, donald trump . what's what's going on trump. what's what's going on there? the charges seem to be quite serious , actually . oh, quite serious, actually. oh, they're really serious. - quite serious, actually. oh, they're really serious. this is a they're really serious. this is e noiiiieei— they're really serious. this is

a political rival all being indicted and charged by the current administration. yeah , i current administration. yeah, i am in america. i'm not- current administration. yeah, i am in america. i'm not in- am in america. i'm not in venezweie.— am in america. i'm not in venezuela. we— am in america. i'm not in venezuela. we literally have a hoiiiieei— venezuela. we literally have a political administration in heimg— political administration in heing eiie— political administration in being able to— political administration in being able to charge and hroeeewie.— being able to charge and prosecute, uh— being able to charge and prosecute, uh ,- being able to charge and prosecute, uh , political rivals. prosecute, uh, political rivals. who— prosecute, uh, political rivals. who ie— prosecute, uh, political rivals. who is currently— prosecute, uh, political rivals. who is currently leading. it's his who is currently leading. it's hie ieeiing— who is currently leading. it's his leading opponent. it's hiien-e— his leading opponent. it's biden's leading opponent . let's biden's leading opponent. let's remember this— biden's leading opponent. let's remember this for— biden's leading opponent. let's remember this for the for the oiiieiei— remember this for the for the official status. _ remember this for the for the official status. trump is 34 home— official status. trump is 34 points ahead.— official status. trump is 34 points ahead. now of desantis. he points ahead. now of desantis. he ie— points ahead. now of desantis. he ie ihe— points ahead. now of desantis. he is the leading— points ahead. now of desantis. he is the leading political river— he is the leading political riwei eni— he is the leading political rival and he— he is the leading political rival and he is— he is the leading political rival and he is being indicted. we rival and he is being indicted. we eew— rival and he is being indicted. we ihei— rival and he is being indicted. we saw that on— rival and he is being indicted. we saw that on tuesday, i think 37 we saw that on tuesday, i think oi ehergee— we saw that on tuesday, i think 37 charges altogether emanating hom— 37 charges altogether emanating from or— 37 charges altogether emanating from 31 so—called_ 37 charges altogether emanating from 31 so—called offence ehergee— from 31 so—called offence ehergee. ho.— from 31 so—called offence charges. so, yes, it's very , charges. so, yes, it's very, very— charges. so, yes, it's very, very eenowe— charges. so, yes, it's very, very serious. this is the ieierei— very serious. this is the federal level,- very serious. this is the federal level, which you can't reehy— federal level, which you can't reehy meee— federal level, which you can't really mess about with because the really mess about with because ihe ieierei— really mess about with because the federal government famously will the federal government famously wiii ini— the federal government famously will find loopholes to get enyhoiy— will find loopholes to get enyhoiy .— will find loopholes to get enyhoiy . hre— will find loopholes to get anybody . it's the old famous anybody. it's the old famous ihing— anybody. it's the old famous ihing in— anybody. it's the old famous thing in america— anybody. it's the old famous thing in america , if you put thing in america, if you put a eiemh— thing in america, if you put a eiemh on— thing in america, if you put a eiemh on e— thing in america, if you put a stamp on a letter— thing in america, if you put a stamp on a letter and send it eni— stamp on a letter and send it eni ii-e— stamp on a letter and send it eni ii-e goi— stamp on a letter and send it and it's got some— stamp on a letter and send it and it's got some criminal eeiiwiiy— and it's got some criminal eeiiwiiy in— and it's got some criminal activity in it— and it's got some criminal activity in it that becomes a

ieierei— activity in it that becomes a federal offence. _ activity in it that becomes a federal offence. it's branches are absolutely— federal offence. it's branches are absolutely everywhere and you— are absolutely everywhere and yow ion-i— are absolutely everywhere and yow ion-i weni— are absolutely everywhere and you don't want to— are absolutely everywhere and you don't want to mess with the reierei— you don't want to mess with the federal government. and yes, the weni— federal government. and yes, the current administration is iiniing— current administration is iiniing weye— current administration is finding ways to prosecute its ieeiing— finding ways to prosecute its leading opponent at the moment. weir.— leading opponent at the moment. we hesmiie— leading opponent at the moment. well, desantis must— leading opponent at the moment. well, desantis must be— leading opponent at the moment. well, desantis must be very- well, desantis must be very happy about that because he has a chance to benefit from the fallout, if there is one. well no, because of the constitution, trump could lose and still run the country from a federal prison cell. so trump's not ironing— prison cell. so trump's not irohhing owi— prison cell. so trump's not irohhing owi oi— prison cell. so trump's not dropping out of the- 50" rtr:i;.. so trump's not dropping out of the race. so heseniie— dropping out of the race. so desantis might— dropping out of the race. so desantis might as well. desantis is desantis might as well. desantis ie how— desantis might as well. desantis ie iown. — desantis might as well. desantis is now down. he's— desantis might as well. desantis is now down. he's now down to reh— is now down. he's now down to row empori— is now down. he's now down to row ewhhori. he— is now down. he's now down to 15% support. he was at 21 when we ehohe— 15% support. he was at 21 when we ehohe io— 15% support. he was at 21 when we ehohe io yow— 15% support. he was at 21 when we spoke to you last. he's now at we spoke to you last. he's now ei is.— we spoke to you last. he's now ei is. so— we spoke to you last. he's now ei is. so ee— we spoke to you last. he's now ei is. so ee e— we spoke to you last. he's now at 15. so as a political eemheign— at 15. so as a political eemheign .— at 15. so as a political campaign , trump is only campaign, trump is only heneiiiing— campaign, trump is only benefiting from this . but as benefiting from this. but as a mani— benefiting from this. but as a he— benefiting from this. but as a he ie— benefiting from this. but as a man, he is actually facing mohehiy— man, he is actually facing mohehiy ihe— man, he is actually facing probably the most severe. i im in— probably the most severe. i mean, i'm in a— probably the most severe. i mean, i'm in a death penalty eieie— mean, i'm in a death penalty eieie. ee— mean, i'm in a death penalty eieie. ee yow— mean, i'm in a death penalty state, as you were talking about eeriier. — state, as you were talking about eeriier. hre— state, as you were talking about earlier. it's like— state, as you were talking about earlier. it's like i— state, as you were talking about earlier. it's like i don't think ihei— earlier. it's like i don't think ihei trump— earlier. it's like i don't think that trump is— earlier. it's like i don't think that trump is going to suffer the that trump is going to suffer ihe ieeih— that trump is going to suffer the death penalty, but they are ioohing—ihiel looking to imprison him. this weni— looking to imprison him. this current administration is ioohing— current administration is looking he looking to imprison him or he irohe— looking to imprison him or he more owi— looking to imprison him or he more owi . — looking to imprison him or he drops out . they— looking to imprison him or he drops out . “rig tiring looking to imprison him or he drops out. “big ”cris; looking to imprison him or he drops out . “cg ”cris; drops out. they really want to do that. and finally, we've got about joe biden. what is he

about 30s joe biden. what is he up to? well, we're very excited in hmeriee— up to? well, we're very excited in america because— c. rtr7 well, we're very excited in america because he's been weighi— in america because he's been worighi now— in america because he's been worighi ior— in america because he's been upright now for 18 days, over iwo— upright now for 18 days, over iwo weeke— upright now for 18 days, over two weeks now— upright now for 18 days, over two weeks now he's been largely werheei— two weeks now he's been largely weriieei. ihey— two weeks now he's been largely vertical. okay our— two weeks now he's been largely vertical. okay our commander in ohiei— vertical. okay our commander in ehiei hee— vertical. okay our commander in chief has been— vertical. okay our commander in chief has been on— vertical. okay our commander in chief has been on his feet and. weir.— chief has been on his feet and. weh. mey.— chief has been on his feet and. well, okay, we've— chief has been on his feet and. well, okay, we've not we've not iohowei— well, okay, we've not we've not followed him _ well, okay, we've not we've not followed him everywhere. but yes,— followed him everywhere. but yee. here— followed him everywhere. but yee. he-e heem— followed him everywhere. but yes, he's been standing up eireighi— yes, he's been standing up straight now— yes, he's been standing up straight now without a tumble. here— straight now without a tumble. he-e heem— straight now without a tumble. he's been tumble— straight now without a tumble. he's been tumble free now for ihe— he's been tumble free now for ihe heei— he's been tumble free now for ihe heei heri— he's been tumble free now for the best part of— he's been tumble free now for the best part of three weeks. so reiher-e— the best part of three weeks. so reiher-e hey— the best part of three weeks. so reiher-e hey ie— the best part of three weeks. so father's day is really going wiih— father's day is really going wiih e— father's day is really going wiih e hii— father's day is really going with a bit of— father's day is really going with a bit of a— father's day is really going with a bit of a celebration here ihie. — with a bit of a celebration here ihie. heei.— with a bit of a celebration here this. paul, always— with a bit of a celebration here this. paul, always a- with a bit of a celebration here this. paul, always a pleasure to talk to you. that's paul duddridge. he's the host of the politics podcast. thank you so much for joining politics podcast. thank you so much forjoining me live from la . news on online and . this is gb news on online and on digital radio . so much more on digital radio. so much more still to come in the next hour, so tuned. don't forget to so stay tuned. don't forget to get at gb get in touch. gb views at gb news or tweet me at . news .com or tweet me at. gb news. good afternoon. i'm nana akua. welcome on board now for the

next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now . in a few moments right now. in a few moments time, be joined my time, i'll be joined by my mystery guest who is mystery celebrity guest who is famed for being a glamour model. stay tuned to find out more whether you've worked out who she is. whether you've worked out who sheis.then whether you've worked out who she is. then on the way, the great british debate. i'm asking who to blame for the soaring who is to blame for the soaring mortgage rates. but first, let's get news headlines . get your latest news headlines. good afternoon. coming up to gei,— good afternoon. coming up to her. im— good afternoon. coming up to her. in hey— good afternoon. coming up to 5:01, i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our— 5:01, i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our top story , the met newsroom. our top story, the met ioriee— newsroom. our top story, the met ioriee eeye— newsroom. our top story, the met ioriee eeye iie— newsroom. our top story, the met police says it's aware of new iooiege— police says it's aware of new footage showing— police says it's aware of new footage showing conservative eim— footage showing conservative eieii heriying— footage showing conservative staff partying during lockdown and staff partying during lockdown eni rohng— staff partying during lockdown and joking about covid restrictions. _ and joking about covid restrictions. and is considering it. restrictions. and is considering ii. hieheei— restrictions. and is considering it. michael gove,_ restrictions. and is considering it. michael gove, the levelling up it. michael gove, the levelling wh eeereiery— it. michael gove, the levelling up secretary, has— it. michael gove, the levelling up secretary, has apologised, ieeerihing— up secretary, has apologised, describing the— up secretary, has apologised, describing the behaviour as unacceptable— describing the behaviour as unacceptable in the footage ohieinei— unacceptable in the footage ohieinei hy— unacceptable in the footage obtained by the _ unacceptable in the footage obtained by the mirror. tory eim— obtained by the mirror. tory eieii en— obtained by the mirror. tory staff can be— obtained by the mirror. tory staff can be seen ignoring eoeiei— staff can be seen ignoring social distancing rules imposed by social distancing rules imposed hy ihe— social distancing rules imposed by the conservative government iwring— by the conservative government iwring ihe— by the conservative government during the height— by the conservative government during the height of the heniemie— during the height of the heniemie .— during the height of the pandemic . two of the 24 people

pandemic. two of the 24 people at pandemic. two of the 24 people ei ihei— pandemic. two of the 24 people at that christmas— pandemic. two of the 24 people at that christmas party were ieiei— at that christmas party were ieier nemei— at that christmas party were later named in— at that christmas party were later named in boris johnson's reeigneiion— later named in boris johnson's resignation honours list , a later named in boris johnson's resignation honours list, a mr. howe— resignation honours list, a mr. eowe iori— resignation honours list, a mr. eowe ioii we— resignation honours list, a mr. gove told us disciplinary action hee— gove told us disciplinary action hee eireeiy— gove told us disciplinary action has already been— gove told us disciplinary action has already been taken . has already been taken. the why— has already been taken. the reason why those— has already been taken. the reason why those steps were taken was to reduce the spread of the disease in order to make sure that the pressures on the nhs were manageable in order to make sure that we could treat people who were very ill . so people who were very ill. so again, the actions is here are deep , deeply distressing, and i deep, deeply distressing, and i can only apologise to people that individuals behaved in this way. my understanding is that there was an investigation into there was an investigation into the party when the photograph emerged and people were disciplined . mps will debate any disciplined. mps will debate any possible punishment for boris johnson tomorrow after he was found to have misled parliament over partygate. the privileges commiiiee— g the privileges committee recommended that the former— committee recommended that the imne imme— committee recommended that the former prime minister should ieee— former prime minister should ieee e— former prime minister should ieee e ho— former prime minister should ieee e 90 iey— former prime minister should face a 90 day suspension had he not face a 90 day suspension had he noi eireeiy— face a 90 day suspension had he not already resigned in advance of not already resigned in advance oi ihei— not already resigned in advance of that judgement . now it's of that judgement. now it's wniereiooi— of that judgement. now it's understood that his supporters

are understood that his supporters heimg— understood that his supporters are being encouraged to abstain . hwi— are being encouraged to abstain . hwi former— are being encouraged to abstain . but former brexit— are being encouraged to abstain . but former brexit secretary hewii— . but former brexit secretary hewii hewe— . but former brexit secretary david davis told _ . but former brexit secretary david davis told camilla tominey he whi— david davis told camilla tominey he wih empori— david davis told camilla tominey he will support the— david davis told camilla tominey he will support the committee, eeying— he will support the committee, eeying iie— he will support the committee, saying its findings are clear. one— saying its findings are clear. one or— saying its findings are clear. one oi ihe— saying its findings are clear. one of the things— saying its findings are clear. one of the things about- one of the things about parliament is it's the highest court in the land that creates a problem when you're coming to privileges. what's problem? privileges. what's that problem? it's trial in a it's like having a trial in a village. everybody knows. everybody knows dodi is entirely unbiased. it everybody knows dodi is entirely unbiased . it how do they know unbiased. it how do they know his unbiased. it how do they know hie own— unbiased. it how do they know hie mini— unbiased. it how do they know his own mind at— unbiased. it how do they know his own mind at the— c. : it how do they know his own mind at the time? they ion-i— his own mind at the time? they ion-i hewe— his own mind at the time? they ion-i hewe io. — his own mind at the time? they don't have to. they- his own mind at the time? they don't have to. “rig �*rsyrrt�*rirc don't have to. they know what they know is what he knows. if you if you go to a party, you know it was a party you don't need an advisor to tell you nicola sturgeon an continues to maintain her innocence after being questioned by police investigating snp find answers last weekend, scotland's former first minister spoke as she returned home for the first time since being arrested and released without charge . you released without charge. you know, i can't say very : rt.“rir”gr:i; you know, i can't say very much q you know, i can't say very much so whei— know, i can't say very much so whei i— know, i can't say very much so whei i whi— know, i can't say very much so what i will say— know, i can't say very much so what i will say is— know, i can't say very much so what i will say is we iterate ihe— what i will say is we iterate the statement—

what i will say is we iterate the statement issued last sunday am the statement issued last sunday em eeriein— the statement issued last sunday am certain that— the statement issued last sunday am certain that have done noihing— am certain that have done nothing wrong— am certain that have done nothing wrong and intend to be hmh— nothing wrong and intend to be heeh in— nothing wrong and intend to be back in parliament in the early pari— back in parliament in the early heri oi— back in parliament in the early heri oi ihe— back in parliament in the early part of the week. _ back in parliament in the early part of the week. i'll make myeeh— part of the week. i'll make myself available for questions ihem.— myself available for questions then. obviously— myself available for questions then. obviously we can. the eoneireinie— then. obviously we can. the constraints that— then. obviously we can. the constraints that i- then. obviously we can. the constraints that i am referring to constraints that i am referring io righi— constraints that i am referring io righi now— constraints that i am referring to right now, for— constraints that i am referring to right now, for now and tend to right now, for now and tend io go— to right now, for now and tend io go home.— to right now, for now and tend to go home, catch— to right now, for now and tend to go home, catch up with some iemiiy— to go home, catch up with some iemiiy .— to go home, catch up with some iemiiy . i— to go home, catch up with some iemiiy . i hnow— to go home, catch up with some family . i know i'm— to go home, catch up with some family . i know i'm a to go home, catch up with some family. i know i'm a public iigwre— family. i know i'm a public iigwre. i— family. i know i'm a public figure. i accept— family. i know i'm a public figure. i accept what comes with ihei.— figure. i accept what comes with ihei. hwi— figure. i accept what comes with ihei. hwi im— figure. i accept what comes with that, but i'm also— figure. i accept what comes with that, but i'm also a— figure. i accept what comes with that, but i'm also a human being ihei— that, but i'm also a human being ihei ie— that, but i'm also a human being that is entitled— that, but i'm also a human being that is entitled to— that, but i'm also a human being that is entitled to a— that, but i'm also a human being that is entitled to a bit of hriweey— that is entitled to a bit of hriweey ee— that is entitled to a bit of privacy as well. 3s privacy as well. rishi sunak is facing a fourth by—election following the resignation of a former tory mp, david warburton , who had the tory whip suspended last april, has stepped down from his somerton and frome seat following accusations of sexual misconduct and cocaine use . he's the fourth and cocaine use. he's the fourth conservative mp in eight days to resign following announcements by boris johnson and nigel adams and nadine dorries as the number of migrants entering the uk in small boats via the english channel. so far this year has surpassed 10,000, according to

home office figures, 374 people were detected making that journey yesterday . crossings journey yesterday. crossings have increased as the weather improves, but it's still below the equivalent number at this point. last year, almost 46,000 migrants crossed the channel in 2022, the uk has pledged an extra £16 million to boost ukraine's cyber defences. that's in addition to 6.35 million promised last year. the government says it's to help ukraine better defend its critical infrastructure from russian attacks . the prime russian attacks. the prime minister will use a summit this week to call on investors and businesses to step up their support for the country's economic recovery. it comes as ukraine continues its counter—offensive in the south and east of the country. thunder lightning and heavy rain are moving across the uk , leading to moving across the uk, leading to concerns of flash flooding. the met office is predicting wind and hail with a yellow weather

warning for thunderstorms across the majority of england. wales and northern ireland. that's until midnight tonight. it could lead to a month's worth of rain falling in just a few hours. it's the result of recent warm weather with temperatures in the mid to high 20s and prince william has vowed to tackle homelessness by building social housing on his own land . the housing on his own land. the prince of wales told the times that ending the plight of hidden homelessness in the uk has been his lifelong ambition. he's expressed frustration at the government councils and charities who he says are managing homelessness rather than preventing it. many of the details of the five year plan are set to be announced next month . this is gb news. we'll month. this is gb news. we'll bnng month. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now let's get back to nana . now let's get back to nana. thank you, ray . this is

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interest rates have drastically risen 4.5, with many risen to 4.5, with many anticipating— risen to 4.5, with many anticipating it could reach 6% by anticipating it could reach 6% hy ihe— anticipating it could reach 6% hy ihe eni— anticipating it could reach 6% hy ihe eni oi— anticipating it could reach 6% by the end of the— anticipating it could reach 6% by the end of the year. that eowi— by the end of the year. that eowii mem— by the end of the year. that could mean home buyers could see ihei— could mean home buyers could see iheir honowing— could mean home buyers could see their borrowing power drastically _ their borrowing power drastically reduced by some meoe.— drastically reduced by some hihooo. hwi— drastically reduced by some £77,000. but who is to blame for all £77,000. but who is to blame for eh oi— £77,000. but who is to blame for eh oi ihiee— £77,000. but who is to blame for all of this? email— £77,000. but who is to blame for all of this? email gb views. gb hewe— all of this? email gb views. gb news .com or tweet me at . news .com or tweet me at. gb hewe.— news .com or tweet me at. gb hewe. hwi— news .com or tweet me at. gb news. but before— news .com or tweet me at. gb news. but before we move on and hewe— news. but before we move on and hewe e— news. but before we move on and hewe e iooh— news. but before we move on and have a look and— news. but before we move on and have a look and find— news. but before we move on and have a look and find out who my myeiery— have a look and find out who my myeiery gweei— have a look and find out who my myeiery gweei ie— have a look and find out who my myeiery gweei e i— have a look and find out who my mystery guest is, i thought i weniei— mystery guest is, i thought i weniei io— mystery guest is, i thought i wanted to bring— mystery guest is, i thought i wanted to bring this story to yowr— wanted to bring this story to your attention. _ wanted to bring this story to your attention. it's about a moiher— your attention. it's about a moiher oi— your attention. it's about a mother of three - your attention. it's about a mother of three been mother of three who's been ieiei— mother of three who's been reiiei ior— mother of three who's been jailed for carrying an jailed for carrying out an ehoriion— jailed for carrying out an abortion-baby.- jailed for carrying out an abortion baby. and it jailed for carrying out an- abortion-baby. and it was abortion on her baby. and it was highiighiei— abortion on her baby. and it was highlighted-law- abortion on her baby. and it was highlighted law that abortion on her baby. and it was higiterminated law that abortion on her baby. and it was higiterminated the law that abortion on her baby. and it was higiterminated the pregnancy at she terminated the pregnancy at eowni— she terminated the pregnancy at eowni ehowi— she terminated the pregnancy at around about weeks. now around about 32 weeks. now ihoweenie— around about 32 weeks. now thousands of— around about 32 weeks. now thousands of abortion rights eeiiwieie— thousands of abortion rights activists have— thousands of abortion rights activists have staged a show of empori— activists have staged a show of ewrmori oer— activists have staged a show of ewrmori ihe— activists have staged a show of support over the weekend after the support over the weekend after ihe moiher— support over the weekend after the mother took— support over the weekend after the mother took abortion pills. hier— the mother took abortion pills. hiier ihe— the mother took abortion pills. hiier ihe ze— the mother took abortion pills. after the 24 week— the mother took abortion pills. after the 24 week legal limit. so after the 24 week legal limit. so ehe— after the 24 week legal limit. so ehe iooh— after the 24 week legal limit. so she took those— after the 24 week legal limit. so she took those pills. she ehoriei— so she took those pills. she ehoriei ihe— so she took those pills. she aborted the child at about about 32 aborted the child at about about oz io— aborted the child at about about oz iolweehe.— aborted the child at about about 32 to .weeks. so _ aborted the child at about about 32 to weeks. so should there 32 to 34 weeks. so should there eeiwehy— 32 to 34 weeks. so should there eeiwehy he— 32 to 34 weeks. so should there eeiwehy he e— 32 to 34 weeks. so should there actually be a legal— 32 to 34 weeks. so should there actually be a legal limit ? so actually be a legal limit? so iei-e— actually be a legal limit? so iei-e eee— actually be a legal limit? so let's see what— actually be a legal limit? so let's see what my panel make of ihei.— let's see what my panel make of ihei-eni— let's see what my panel make of that. and broadcaster that. author and broadcaster chrieiine—

that. author and broadcaster christine-and- that. author and broadcaster christine and also christine hamilton and also henny— christine hamilton and also henny herry.— christine hamilton and also danny kelly, journalist and broadcaster— danny kelly, journalist and broadcaster .— danny kelly, journalist and broadcaster. in— danny kelly, journalist and broadcaster. in danny. so what do broadcaster. in danny. so what io yow— broadcaster. in danny. so what io yow ihinh— broadcaster. in danny. so what do you think of— broadcaster. in danny. so what do you think of this story? i wroie— do you think of this story? i wrote about— do you think of this story? i wrote about it— do you think of this story? i wrote about it in— do you think of this story? i wrote about it in the daily heir.— wrote about it in the daily heii. ii— wrote about it in the daily heii. ii i— wrote about it in the daily mail, if i may— wrote about it in the daily mail, if i may just say what a ihorowghiy— mail, if i may just say what a thoroughly interesting article you thoroughly interesting article yow wroie— thoroughly interesting article yow wroie in— thoroughly interesting article you wrote in your brand new iim— you wrote in your brand new irm .— you wrote in your brand new irm . eni— you wrote in your brand new irm . eni i— you wrote in your brand new column , and i wasn't aware of column, and i wasn't aware of yowr— column, and i wasn't aware of yowr hereonei— column, and i wasn't aware of your personal investment in in ehoriion— your personal investment in in ehoriion . — your personal investment in in abortion . and— your personal investment in in abortion . r: t abortion. and because you've written about it, it's okay if i if i speak about it, i know that you were torn at one point about whether to terminate a child and it was unexpected. so i can't possibly put myself in a woman's shoes as to when or whether there is a correct time or decision to make. i can only listen to your words and then sort of form some sort of judgement from your words that woman must have been going through some incredible mental and emotional turmoil at the court case. the judge understood and recognised how upset and devastated she was. that was taken into account . there are taken into account. there are people who are pro—life . i

people who are pro—life. i understand that 32 weeks. i think it was 30 weeks. that's like seven months. and well , like seven months. and well, yes, almost eight months. it's a fully formed baby, of— grit? rzi; g it's a fully formed baby, of course. ani— fully formed baby, of course. ami eo— fully formed baby, of course. ami so im— fully formed baby, of course. and so i'm trying— fully formed baby, of course. and so i'm trying to- fully formed baby, of course. and so i'm trying to visualise now, had that child been delivered and then was to have been killed and that would be murder, the only difference between murder and this case of i'm not sure what the offence was, was the fact that that the child was still in the mother's womb. and that is such an interesting point in law. i believe that something that is a developed baby , lots of people developed baby, lots of people listening outside the world. well, lots likely. of course ihere-h— well, lots likely. of course there'll be people listening and watching the telly and listening to the radio. right now who who had less than had deliveries or less than that. people who that. and there'll be people who were less than were delivered at less than that. it's such an that. and it's such an interesting, i think, and such an interesting the sand an interesting line in the sand that out of the that once you're out of the body, if you're body, it's murder. if you're still it's not. still in the body, it's not. christine. well , still in the body, it's not. christine. well, i agree with everything you've said . and everything you've said. and apparently this lady, carla foster, was prosecuted under an 1861 offences against the

persons act , 1861 offences against the persons act, which 1861 offences against the persons act , which the 1967 persons act, which the 1967 abortion act failed to change. so it's a complete archaic act. but i think i agree with you. i think what she did, of course, she must have been in a terrible state. it's difficult to imagine the agony she was going through. but what did was clearly but what she did was clearly wrong . that child almost wrong. that child almost certainly would have been able to survive outside the womb. and i think if you if you just say, well, never mind, dear, just don't do again, that doesn't don't do it again, that doesn't send the right message. and send out the right message. and i think there's to be a cut i think there's got to be a cut off. just can off. you can't just say you can abort whenever like. you abort whenever you like. you can't. i think this case can't. and i think this case proves if they've tried to proves that if they've tried to get the number of weeks so that if a foetus is capable of living outside the womb, then you do not abort it . and i, i do not abort it. and i, i do support this. i think it's right terrible for her. and she apparently has mental health problems. and three children, one of whom is special needs, of course , all the knock on effects course, all the knock on effects of that are horrific and social services will have to pick up all the pieces. but we cannot

allow sort of behaviour to allow that sort of behaviour to go unpunished . however, tough go unpunished. however, tough and hard it sounds, we cannot because to me that is actually murder. it is murder. the child herieeiiy— murder. it is murder. the child was perfectly-and - r:ri; it is murder. the child was perfectly and then she was perfectly fine. and then she has was perfectly fine. and then she hee—eeeing- was perfectly fine. and then she has—seeing this. has nightmares of seeing this hehy— has nightmares of seeing this hehy heee— has nightmares of seeing this baby because she had to deliver it. baby because she had to deliver ii. i— baby because she had to deliver ii. i-hnow— baby because she had to deliver it. i-know what— baby because she had to deliver it. i-know what she- it. i don't know what she ihowghi— it. i don't know what she thought happen it. i don't know what she- thought-happenlyou thought would happen if you hiiiei— thought would happen if you killed .child. _ thought would happen if you killed child. got to killed the child. it's got to come out. so— killed the child. it's got to come out. so you're actually going—iil come out. so you're actually. going—ii iihe come out. so you're actually. gcwould_it like come out. so you're actually. gcwould be_it like come out. so you're actually. gcwould be a-it like come out. so you're actually gcwould be a baby. it like come out. so you're actually gcwould be a baby. a it like come out. so you're actually gcwould be a baby. a living ke it would be a baby. a living hehy— it would be a baby. a living hehy. so— it would be a baby. a living hehy. so why— it would be a baby. a living baby. so why not wait a few more weeke— baby. so why not wait a few more weeks - deliver— baby. so why not wait a few more weeks-deliverland- baby. so why not wait a few more weeks deliver and put it weeks and deliver it and put it up weeks and deliver it and put it we ior— weeks and deliver it and put it we ior eiohiion— weeks and deliver it and put it up for adoption-it- weeks and deliver it and put it up for adoption it to up for adoption or allow it to he— up for adoption or allow it to iie-hiii— up for adoption or allow it to live,-kill it?- up for adoption or allow it to live, kill it? that's live, but why kill it? that's ihe— live, but why kill it? that's ihe ihing— live, but why kill it? that's ihe ihing i. — live, but why kill it? that's the thing i. i— live, but why kill it? that's the thing i. i did- live, but why kill it? that's the thing i. r: r: c. c she the thing i. i did kill it. she iii— the thing i. i did kill it. she iii hiii— the thing i. i did kill it. she iii hi i.— the thing i. i did kill it. she iii hi i. i— the thing i. idid kill it. she did kill it. i can't— the thing i. r: r: c. c she did kill it. i can't contend wiih— did kill it. i can't contend wiih-she- did kill it. i can't contend with _she killed. did kill it. i can't contend with _she killed a| did kill it. i can't contend- with _she killed a baby at with that. she killed a baby at 24 weeks. 24 weeks is a cut off. veeh. — 24 weeks. 24 weeks is a cut off. veeh. inh— 24 weeks. 24 weeks is a cut off. yeah. this was— 24 weeks. 24 weeks is a cut off. yeah. this was 32. this- i?” 24 weeks is a cut off. yeah. t“ 15:7 this was 32 yeah. this was 32. this was 32 or oz. — yeah. this was 32. this was 32 or 32. between _ yeah. this was 32. this was 32 or 32. between 32— yeah. this was 32. this was 32 or 32. between 32 and- yeah. t“ 15:7 this was 32 or 32. between 32 and 34. so it eowii— or 32. between 32 and 34. so it eowii hewe— or 32. between 32 and 34. so it could have been— or 32. between 32 and 34. so it could have been further along. it's could have been further along. ii-e-ienihie- could have been further along. it's-terrible keep- it's terrible. terrible keep yowr— it's terrible. terrible keep your thoughts— it's terrible. terrible keep your thoughts on it's terrible. terrible keep- your thoughts-on that. it's terrible. terrible keep- y0lloverughts-on that. it's terrible. terrible keep y0lloverug hear on that. it's terrible. terrible keep y0lloverug hear what on that. it's terrible. terrible keep y0lloverug hear what you that. it's terrible. terrible keep y0lloverug hear what you think i'd love to hear what you think eni— i'd love to hear what you think eni-wiewe— i'd love to hear what you think and -views.that. - i'd love to hear what you think and views that. gb views and your views on that. gb views ihei— and your views on that. gb views ihei-hewe— and your views on that. gb views ihei-hewe-or— and your views on that. gb views that-news-or tweet- and your views on that. gb viewsi that. news-or tweet-at that gb news .com or tweet me at gb that gb news .com or tweet me at eh hewe.— that gb news .com or tweet me at eh hewe. how— that gb news .com or tweet me at gb news. now though, it is of iime— gb news. now though, it is of course time for— gb news. now though, it is of course time for outside and i hewe— course time for outside and i hewe e— course time for outside and i hewe e very— course time for outside and i have a very special guest, a myeiery— have a very special guest, a myeiery gweei— have a very special guest, a mystery guest joining me, eomeonei-e- mystery guest joining me, someone is known for her someone who is known for her emine— someone who is known for her captive presence,— someone who is known for her captive presence, unfiltered ooinione— captive presence, unfiltered ooinione .— captive presence, unfiltered ohinione. ho.— captive presence, unfiltered opinions. no, not me. i know.

ani— opinions. no, not me. i know. hni e— opinions. no, not me. i know. and a personality— opinions. no, not me. i know. and a personality that always ieee— and a personality that always ieee e— and a personality that always leaves a lasting— and a personality that always leaves a lasting impression on yow— leaves a lasting impression on yow mey— leaves a lasting impression on you may recognise her from the giemorowe— you may recognise her from the glamorous world— you may recognise her from the glamorous world of modelling her meereneeeh— glamorous world of modelling her meereneeeh on— glamorous world of modelling her appearances on popular reality ehowe— appearances on popular reality ehowe .— appearances on popular reality shows , including— appearances on popular reality shows , including i'm a shows, including i'm a ceiehriiy.— shows, including i'm a celebrity, get out shows, including i'm a celebrity, get-out here celebrity, get me out of here eni— celebrity, get me out of here eni hig— celebrity, get me out of here and big brother.— celebrity, get me out of here and big brother. as well as her outspokenness_ and big brother. as well as her outspokenness various outspokenness on various phenome— outspokenness on various heroine-iol outspokenness on various- platforms.-to reports, platforms. according to reports, she platforms. according to reports, ehe-in— platforms. according to reports, ehe-in e— platforms. according to reports, ehe-in e hwen— platforms. according to reports, she in a bush with none she fell in a bush with none oiher— she fell in a bush with none oiher ihem— she fell in a bush with none other than prince harry iohowing— other than prince harry following a— other than prince harry following a night out on the iown.— following a night out on the iown. hii— following a night out on the town. all right.— following a night out on the town. all right. she's married town. all right. she's married io e— town. all right. she's married to a footballer,— town. all right. she's married to a footballer, footballer tom wheme— to a footballer, footballer tom williams,-used- to a footballer, footballer tom williams,-used to- to a footballer, footballer tom williams, used to play for williams, who used to play for ieierhorowgh— williams, who used to play for peterborough. and they have two i— peterborough. and they have two i hewe— peterborough. and they have two sons i have the— peterborough. and they have two sons i have the pleasure of weieoming— sons i have the pleasure of weieoming-i- sons i have the pleasure of welcoming i know you've welcoming and i know you've mohehiy— welcoming and i know you've. probably—someone welcoming and i know you've. prob knows—someone welcoming and i know you've prob knows how someone welcoming and i know you've prob knows how to someone who knows how to make a eieiemeni— who knows how to make a statement without saying a word. can statement without saying a word. eem—who— statement without saying a word. eem—who ii— statement without saying a word. eem—who ii iee- statement without saying a word. can _who it is?.is,. can you guess who it is? it is, of course, the _ can you guess who it is? it is, of course, the fabulous model can you guess who it is? it is, of citelevision fabulous model can you guess who it is? it is, of citelevision fabu media odel and television and media hereoneiiiy— and television and media personality mclean . personality nicola mclean. hieoie— personality nicola mclean. whore—yow- personality nicola mclean.i nicola,_you. how personality nicola mclean.- nicola,_you. how are nicola, nice to see you. how are yowe— nicola, nice to see you. how are yowe hre— nicola, nice to see you. how are yowe hre yow— nicola, nice to see you. how are you? are you good?— nicola, nice to see you. how are you? are you good? i'm good . you? are you good? i'm good. how— you? are you good? i'm good. how ere— you? are you good? i'm good. how yowe— you? are you good? i'm good. how are you? yeah,- you? are you good? i'm good. iii; rtr.7 yeah, very good . how are you? yeah, very good. very— how are you? yeah, very good. very gooi.— how are you? yeah, very good. very gooi. how.— how are you? yeah, very good. very good. now, last- ”rirzi; rtr.7 yeah, very good. very good. now, last time we were on a panel,— very good. now, last time we were on a panel, i- very good. now, last time we were on a panel, i think it was on ihe— were on a panel, i think it was on ihe jeremy— were on a panel, i think it was on the jeremy vine show where we ioieiiy— on the jeremy vine show where we ioieiiy egreei— on the jeremy vine show where we totally agreed with— on the jeremy vine show where we totally agreed with the whole ieeih — ii-e- death penalty thing. it's come heei— death penalty thing. it's come heei-heroe— death penalty thing. it's come back-before.get- death penalty thing. it's come back before get into back again. before we get into you,— back again. before we get into yow—io. - back again. before we get into yow—io. i- back again. before we get into yow—io. iweel you, i just wanted to. i was ieihing— you, i just wanted to. i was talking-this- you, i just wanted to. i was talking this piece you, i just wanted to. i was talking-this piece i talking about this piece that i wroie— talking about this piece that i woie—ego- talking about this piece that i wrote—ago about wrote a little while ago about me— wrote a little while ago about ihie women— wrote a little while ago about this woman who— wrote a little while ago about this woman who terminated a baby

at this woman who terminated a baby ei oz— this woman who terminated a baby ei oz eeei— this woman who terminated a baby at 32 weeks. wondered at 32 weeks. i just wondered whei— at 32 weeks. i just wondered whei yowr— at 32 weeks. i just wondered what your mother got what your mother you've got ehiiiren— what your mother you've got children,-your- what your mother you've got children, your thoughts children, what your thoughts were-ii— children, what your thoughts werelii. — children, what your thoughts were-it. i'm— children, what your thoughts were-it. i'm so- children, what your thoughts were it . girr: were on it. i'm so glad you asked me, because while i was watching your debate , i'm like, watching your debate, i'm like, i want to debate this . i really want to debate this. and it's so shocking and i think it's so shocking that everyone's going, oh, we're going back a hundred years. we're trying to take away women's no, i'm i'm fine women's rights. no, i'm i'm fine with abortion. i'm fine with abortion. i had one myself at 17 and it was the right thing to do when the baby or not the baby, the foetus wasn't formed. this woman has committed murder. and i'm shocked that her sentence was so low. i'm i'm shocked that her sentence was so low . i'm with you on was so low. i'm with you on ihei.— was so low. i'm with you on ihei. i— was so low. i'm with you on that. i couldn't— i'm with you on that. i couldn't believe that so iow. — that. i couldn't believe that so iow. sne— that. i couldn't believe that so iow. she hei— that. i couldn't believe that so low. she had to— that. i couldn't believe that so low. she had to deliver her a eiihhorn— low. she had to deliver her a stillborn child,— low. she had to deliver her a stillborn child, which must have heem— stillborn child, which must have been horrendous.— stillborn child, which must have been horrendous. why not deliver the been horrendous. why not deliver ihe hehy— been horrendous. why not deliver ihe hehy eiwe— been horrendous. why not deliver ihe hehy eiiwe .— been horrendous. why not deliver the baby alive , same as killing the baby alive, same as killing a the baby alive, same as killing e ehiii— the baby alive, same as killing e ehiii ihe— the baby alive, same as killing a child like i'm— the baby alive, same as killing a child like i'm just shocked by, a child like i'm just shocked hy. wm— a child like i'm just shocked hy. yow— a child like i'm just shocked by, um, you know, the. : by, um, you know, the. the world we're living in where everyone's going. oh, poor her. well, no, i feel sorry for this baby. that was you know, the baby was fully formed. i'm shocked. i wasn't

expecting to speak about it. i'm glad you asked me. nana as always. i know that you know , we always. i know that you know, we have quite similar views . always. i know that you know, we have quite similar views. i'm just shocked about this. and i we're not going back and i'm pro—choice and i'm pro women's rights. but the fact of the matter is, there has to be a legal limits of abortion with the baby is fully formed inside of you. it's a baby you've murdered a baby. i'm just so shocked. yeah. i mean, i eirwggiei— shocked. yeah. i mean, i eirwggiei io— shocked. yeah. i mean, i struggled to get- t: yeah. i mean, i struggled to get my head around it. struggled to get my head around i. ihei-e— struggled to get my head around i. ihei-e why— struggled to get my head around i. ihei-e why i— struggled to get my head around it. that's why i had to write ehowi— it. that's why i had to write ehowi ii.— it. that's why i had to write about it. and— it. that's why i had to write about it. and i— it. that's why i had to write about it. and i had to ask you ehowi— about it. and i had to ask you ehowi ii.— about it. and i had to ask you ehowi ii. i— about it. and i had to ask you about it. i thought you might ihinh— about it. i thought you might ihinh e— about it. i thought you might think a similarly— about it. i thought you might think a similarly to me, but, here.— think a similarly to me, but, hieoie. yow— think a similarly to me, but, nicola, you known being nicola, you are known for being owiehohen. — outspoken. and i love the fact ihei— outspoken. and i love the fact ihei yowe— outspoken. and i love the fact that you're that— outspoken. and i love the fact that you're that way now. ihrowghowi— that you're that way now. throughout career. you've throughout your career. you've ereo—yowr- also been known for your eeniiineee— also been known for your- candidness_ness candidness and fearless ness ehowi— candidness and fearless ness ehowi eii— candidness and fearless ness about all the— candidness and fearless ness about all the things you've been ihrowgh. — about all the things you've been ihrowgh. -me— about all the things you've been through.-me about- about all the things you've been through. me about you, through. talk to me about you, yowr—eni-iil through. talk to me about you,. yowr—eni-ii your upbringing, and what it was like your upbringing, and what it was ihe—wn- your upbringing, and what it was ihe—wh- wherel like for you growing up. where were-horn— like for you growing up. where were-horn z — like for you growing up. where were-born ? oh,- like for you growing up. where were born ? qt t. like for you growing up. where were born ? 0" c. like for you growing up. where- were-born ? oh, um, so i was were you born? oh, um, so i was born in north london and on a council estate . um, one that you council estate. um, one that you probably wouldn't visit now and be safe. and it was fine. i

mean, i didn't have a wonderful childhood, but it's something that i don't speak about because it's not just my childhood, it's my sisters and also it's my parents. so it's not something that i talk about, but it's definitely, um, the reason why am feisty and outspoken. i think that everyone deserves a voice . that everyone deserves a voice. so talk to me about the things ihei— so talk to me about the things ihei hewe— so talk to me about the things that have happened in your career that— that have happened in your career that have taken you to ihe— career that have taken you to the direction— career that have taken you to the direction as— career that have taken you to the direction as to where you are now because— the direction as to where you are now because you're also a momineni— are now because you're also a prominent advocate for mental heeiih— prominent advocate for mental health awareness— prominent advocate for mental health awareness . can you share health awareness. can you share oi— health awareness. can you share oi yowr— health awareness. can you share some of your insights and ineighie— some of your insights and insights into— some of your insights and insights into your own life, yowr— insights into your own life, yowr rowrney— insights into your own life, yowr rowrney .— insights into your own life, your journey , and what insights into your own life, yourjourney , and what brought your journey, and what brought your journey, and what brought yow io— your journey, and what brought yow io iooh— your journey, and what brought you to look into— your journey, and what brought you to look into that sort of z — you to look into that sort of area ? yeah,— you to look into that sort of area ? r/rzi;rirt�* r:ri t“ aztg you to look into that sort of area ? r/rzi;rirt�* r:ri t“ oily t. area? yeah, definitely. so um, i became a glamour model really, really young . um, 16. i was on really young. um, 16. i was on the front cover of the daily star in my underwear. i was still at school, which obviously probably wouldn't be allowed now, but a wonderful time. now, but i had a wonderful time. don't me wrong, there was don't get me wrong, there was time where it was . it was tough, time where it was. it was tough, but i definitely am so proud of

my journey . but i also developed my journey. but i also developed an eating disorder very young at like 1110. so i first remember making myself sick at 11, and i had very bad anorexia and bulimia for many years. and so i like to speak about it . bulimia for many years. and so i like to speak about it. i think it's important if i speak about it, someone might recognise , um, it, someone might recognise, um, the things that they're doing disordered eating is huge and, and then i was diagnosed with aduu and then i was diagnosed with adult adhd and medicated and i've been eating disorder free since then. so i think it's important that we speak about, um, miss diagnosis and especially females because we mask so much . so yeah, i'm here mask so much. so yeah, i'm here to speak about it . do you mask so much. so yeah, i'm here to speak about it. do you think ihei— to speak about it. do you think ihei yowr— to speak about it. do you think that your adhd,— c do you think that your adhd, because of that, ihei— that your adhd, because of that, ihei eon— that your adhd, because of that, ihei eori oi— that your adhd, because of that, that sort of behaviour pattern in yowr— that sort of behaviour pattern in yowr mini— that sort of behaviour pattern in your mind was— that sort of behaviour pattern in your mind was the thing that led in your mind was the thing that iei yow— in your mind was the thing that iei yow io— in your mind was the thing that led you to become— in your mind was the thing that led you to become anorexic and hewe— led you to become anorexic and hewe eeiing— led you to become anorexic and have eating disorders or was ihere— have eating disorders or was there something— have eating disorders or was there something that somebody eeii— there something that somebody eeii or— there something that somebody eeii or iii— there something that somebody said or did to— there something that somebody said or did to you— there something that somebody said or did to you that then meie— said or did to you that then meie yow— said or did to you that then made you think,— said or did to you that then made you think, well, i'm not going— made you think, well, i'm not going io— made you think, well, i'm not going io eei— made you think, well, i'm not going to eat now— made you think, well, i'm not going to eat now ? \r:i:r

going to eat now? no, i ieiiniieiy— going to eat now? no, i definitely think that adhd was a huge driving force in in my anorexia and bulimia. i think that if you look at a lot of anorexic girls in particular, they will probably have autism or adhd. and it's just a misdiagnosis. i mean, obviously we, um , glamour modelling made we, um, glamour modelling made it difficult for my body image for sure, but i was anorexic and bulimia, bulimic , sorry, before bulimia, bulimic, sorry, before that. so i think that my gigantic, um , implants was gigantic, um, implants was a result of glamour modelling, but not the, the anorexic and bulimia. i think that was under nosed and adhd. and bulimia. i think that was under nosed and adhd . and with the nosed and adhd. and with the imhwiee— nosed and adhd. and with the imhwiee yow— nosed and adhd. and with the impulse you regret— : irr: ' “j it and with the impulse you regret them now. i hewe yow— impulse you regret them now. i mean have you had them taken outr— mean have you had them taken owi. meie— mean have you had them taken out, made smaller— mean have you had them taken out, made smaller or you still got— out, made smaller or you still goi ihem— out, made smaller or you still goi ihem eh.— out, made smaller or you still goiihem eh. — out, made smaller or you still got them all. i— out, made smaller or you still got them all. r:rir“ c ”righi. got them all. i don't regret them actually. i do regret them . that's wrong. i regret them because they caused me horrific back pain. but no, i haven't had

them out. i feel like it's my identity . um, which them out. i feel like it's my identity. um, which is really weird. i'm sure therapy would be able to, but yeah , i feel like able to, but yeah, i feel like it's sort of become my thing, you know? nicola mclean the blonde hair and the big boobs. so no, i haven't had taken so no, i haven't had them taken out. regret them properly out. do i regret them properly because i have a really bad back . oh, done a . oh, now you've done quite a bit . oh, now you've done quite a hii oi— . oh, now you've done quite a hii oi reeiiiy— . oh, now you've done quite a bit of reality tv.— oh, now you've done quite a bit of reality tv. it's been owiie— bit of reality tv. it's been gwiie e— bit of reality tv. it's been quite a significant in your. quite a significant in your- —say the career. what would you say the most— career. what would you say the most most— career. what would you say the most most sort— career. what would you say the most most sort of— career. what would you say the most most sort of poignant moments?— most most sort of poignant moments? is— most most sort of poignant moments? is there one moment that— moments? is there one moment that stands— moments? is there one moment that stands _you- moments? is there one moment that stands you and are that stands out for you and are there— that stands out for you and are there thy— that stands out for you and are there any lessons— that stands out for you and are there any lessons that you teethet— learned from from your epeheheee— learned from from your experiences-?- learned from from your experiences ? yeah, learned from from your- experiences-? yeah, for experiences there? yeah, for . se— experiences there? yeah, for . so .— experiences there? yeah, for sure. so i think- experiences there? yeah, for sure . so i think the- experiences there? yeah, for sure . "

because, um, it's very anxiety induced. like you, you never know what's happening next. and the tannoy comes on. this is big brother. and it just was, it was a lot for me. and you know, undiagnosed adhd and my anxieties. it was a lot for me. i drank too much in there and i didn't probably act the way that i would do if it was now . but i would do if it was now. but i'm not cross. i did well, and it's listen, i can do the school run every day and i'm at home. i don't have to go and do a 9 to 5. so i'm proud of myself. but there's things that obviously i think, oh god , i wish i didn't think, oh god, i wish i didn't do that, but that's okay. tiktok's great for someone tiktok's not great for someone like me. all do stuff like like me. we all do stuff like that. we regret looking ahead though.— that. we regret looking ahead though. vet-ve— we regret looking ahead though. you've done so many ththgh— though. you've done so many ththee, ee— though. you've done so many things, so you've— though. you've done so many things, so you've achieved so many— things, so you've achieved so many gette— things, so you've achieved so many geete .— things, so you've achieved so many goals. i mean, right now, tees— many goals. i mean, right now, does—yourl does your reality exceed your treemee— does your reality exceed your treemee se— does your reality exceed your dreams? so in— does your reality exceed your dreams? so in your mind, did you ththt—he— dreams? so in your mind, did you think—be where- dreams? so in your mind, did you think—be where you. think that you'd be where you are—you've- think that you'd be where youi are—you've done are now? because you've done pretty— are now? because you've done pretty-e — are now? because you've done pretty-e oe— are now? because you've done pretty-e he yee- are now? because you've done pretty ? jtzt are now? because you've done. pretty-? do you know what pretty well? do you know what it's really weird because when

the first time a celebrity came on tv, i said to my mum all these years ago in our council flat, i said to her, i'll be on that show one day. i just knew it . i really believe in like it. i really believe in like things king something and it will happen. i tell my kids this, so no , i think i've got this, so no, i think i've got a lot more to do . i really want to lot more to do. i really want to do dancing on ice , and i know do dancing on ice, and i know i'll do it one day. i feel like you've just got to for it. you've just got to go for it. and you can do it. that's the one i and you can do it. that's the . eeh-t— and you can do it. that's the one i don't think— and you can do it. that's the one i don't think i'll- t: tat?“ t:t::t c that's the one i don't think i'll do. i eeh-t— one i don't think i'll do. i teh-t fancy— one i don't think i'll do. i don't fancy that- one i don't think i'll do. i don't fancy that one. that's i eeh-t— don't fancy that one. that's i teh-t ute— don't fancy that one. that's i don't like the— don't fancy that one. that's i don't like the headbanger. the teet— don't like the headbanger. the toot-thet— don't like the headbanger. the look-that puts— don't like the headbanger. the look that puts me off. but look of that puts me off. but tthttth— look of that puts me off. but finally,icannot_ look of that puts me off. but finally, cannot let you go finally, i cannot let you go wttheut— finally, i cannot let you go without asking _ finally, i cannot let you go- without asking _prince without asking you about prince herry—th- without asking you about prince herry—h thel harry and the rumble in the hush.— harry and the rumble in the bush-happened- harry and the rumble in the bush. happened there? what bush. what happened there? what happehete — happened? so definitely was a rumble so my rumble in the bush. and so my husband said to me, oh, we've got a garden go to got a garden party to go to today. i'm thinking, really? today. and i'm thinking, really? like, didn't tell me makeup's not hair's not nails not done. hair's not done. nails nails look bad. and he was like , yeah. my friend's , yeah, yeah. it's my friend's 30th turned up the 30th birthday. turned up in the security . was like, you've security. he was like, you've neven security. he was like, you've never, seen your life. i never, ever seen in your life. i was someone really famous was like, someone really famous must be here because this is

ridiculous. hand over ridiculous. had to hand over your phones and blah, blah, blah. ended up prince harry was there. really , really there. i got really, really drunk and fell in a bush. he was a guy. he helped me my a nice guy. he helped me out. my dress slightly stained. and, dress was slightly stained. and, you i say, don't drink. you know, as i say, don't drink. yes, don't drink, for goodness ethe— yes, don't drink, for goodness ethe- wett— yes, don't drink, for goodness sake. well, listen,— yes, don't drink, for goodness sake. well, listen, so good sake. well, listen, it's so good to teth— sake. well, listen, it's so good to tett te— sake. well, listen, it's so good to tett to yo.— sake. well, listen, it's so good to talk to you, nicola. thank you— to talk to you, nicola. thank yet-much— to talk to you, nicola. thank yet-much tet— to talk to you, nicola. thank you much for joining to talk to you, nicola. thank you much forjoining me. you so much forjoining me. teeth—te- you so much forjoining me. teeth—to you-i you so much forjoining me.| really—to you. i really good to talk to you. i ththt—teet- really good to talk to you. i think-lost you. really good to talk to you. i. think-lost you there. think we've just lost you there. hut— think we've just lost you there. hut thet— think we've just lost you there. hut just-vett— think we've just lost you there. but just very anyway. but just at the very end anyway. but just at the very end anyway. hut-te— but just at the very end anyway. hut-ts ehe— but just at the very end anyway. but-is she still- but that just is she still theret— but that just is she still there? nicola? nicola unfortunately, she's gone. we've teet— unfortunately, she's gone. we've teet her.— unfortunately, she's gone. we've teet het. hut— unfortunately, she's gone. we've lost her. but listen,— unfortunately, she's gone. we've lost her. but listen, if stay tuned— lost her. but listen, if stay tuned because _ lost her. but listen, if stay tuned because we've got loads te— tuned because we've got loads more to come . that's the more to come. that's the tetuteue— more to come. that's the fabulous mclean. fabulous nicola mclean. she was my fabulous nicola mclean. she was thy-guest— fabulous nicola mclean. she was my-gueet ee— fabulous nicola mclean. she was my-gueet as e— fabulous nicola mclean. she was my guest as a model and my outside guest as a model and a my outside guest as a model and elpeteehettty— my outside guest as a model and elpeteehettty .— my outside guest as a model and a personality . motty but a tv personality. motty but heht— a tv personality. motty but heht-the- a tv personality. motty but hght-the wey- a tv personality. motty but hght-the hey .- a tv personality. motty but- right-the way ,-great right now on the way, the great hhtteh— right now on the way, the great british—asking- right now on the way, the great british asking who british debate. i'm asking who is british debate. i'm asking who telhteme— british debate. i'm asking who islblame-soaring,. is to blame for the soaring, eeehhe— is to blame for the soaring, soaring mortgage rates, interest rates— soaring mortgage rates, interest rates have— soaring mortgage rates, interest rates have drastically risen to 4.5,— rates have drastically risen to .5, wtth— rates have drastically risen to .5, wtth meny— rates have drastically risen to 4.5, with many anticipating that they— 4.5, with many anticipating that they eeutt— 4.5, with many anticipating that they could reach— 4.5, with many anticipating that they could reach as high as six by they could reach as high as six ty-eht— they could reach as high as six hy-eht et— they could reach as high as six hy-eht et the— they could reach as high as six by end of the year, which by the end of the year, which means-heme- by the end of the year, whichi means-home-and by the end of the year, which- means-home-and home means some home buyers and home wette— means some home buyers and home owners would have— means some home buyers and home owners would have to— means some home buyers and home owners would have to save would be owners would have to save would he epehtthe— owners would have to save would he epehtthg e— owners would have to save would be spending a lot— owners would have to save would be spending a lot more money. hut— be spending a lot more money. hut whe— be spending a lot more money. hut whe te— be spending a lot more money. hut whe te te— be spending a lot more money. but who is to blame for all of thee— but who is to blame for all of thee stet— but who is to blame for all of this? stay tuned. _ but who is to blame for all of

this? stay tuned. don't

thursday from 9 pm. to ii thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on gb news, britain's news. channel good afternoon. this is gb channel good afternoon. this is eh hewe— channel good afternoon. this is eh hewe eh— channel good afternoon. this is eh news on tv— channel good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online- " good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on ttgttet— gb news on tv online and on ttgttet tethe- — gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm— gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua mus.— digital radio. i'm nana akua batus. coming— digital radio. i'm nana akua batus. coming up to 26 minutes the— batus. coming up to 26 minutes ettet hoo.— batus. coming up to 26 minutes after 5:00. and— batus. coming up to 26 minutes after 5:00. and it's— batus. coming up to 26 minutes after 5:00. and it's time now tet— after 5:00. and it's time now he eut— after 5:00. and it's time now for our great— after 5:00. and it's time now for our great british debate thte— for our great british debate the hour.— for our great british debate this hour. i'm— for our great british debate this hour. i'm asking who is to heme— this hour. i'm asking who is to hteme tet— this hour. i'm asking who is to blame for the— this hour. i'm asking who is to blame for the soaring mortgage rates— blame for the soaring mortgage rates .— blame for the soaring mortgage rates . hew— blame for the soaring mortgage rates . now the— blame for the soaring mortgage rates . now the bank of england rates. now the bank of england is rates. now the bank of england te expected— rates. now the bank of england te expected te— rates. now the bank of england is expected to increase its key thteteet— is expected to increase its key interest rate _ is expected to increase its key interest rate next— is expected to increase its key interest rate next week for the

hth— interest rate next week for the hth thhe— interest rate next week for the hth the th— interest rate next week for the 13th time in a— interest rate next week for the 13th time in a row. now that's eeeettthg— isth time in a row. now that's eeeettthe te— isth time in a row. now that's according to the— 13th time in a row. now that's according to the think tank teeethtteh— according to the think tank resolution foundation. this thet— resolution foundation. this means that people trying to remortgage— means that people trying to remortgage their homes will have to pay— remortgage their homes will have to pay thhoo— remortgage their homes will have to pay £2,900 a— remortgage their homes will have to pay £2,900 a year more than them— to pay £2,900 a year more than them me— to pay £2,900 a year more than from 2024 onwards. and that's roughly— from 2024 onwards. and that's tetghty theo— from 2024 onwards. and that's tetghty me a— from 2024 onwards. and that's roughly £200 a month. so by the ehe— roughly £200 a month. so by the end et— roughly £200 a month. so by the end et the— roughly £200 a month. so by the end et the y...— roughly £200 a month. so by the end of the year, interest rates eehtt— end of the year, interest rates eehtt teeth— end of the year, interest rates could reach 6,— end of the year, interest rates could reach 6, which means that thet— could reach 6, which means that their borrowing— could reach 6, which means that their borrowing power could be reduced— their borrowing power could be reduced hy— their borrowing power could be reduced by around about £77,000, mathe— reduced by around about £77,000, metthe tt— reduced by around about £77,000, metthe tt tet— reduced by around about £77,000, making it far more— reduced by around about £77,000, making it far more difficult for peehte— making it far more difficult for peepte te— making it far more difficult for peepte to get— making it far more difficult for people to get onto the housing tatter— people to get onto the housing tettet .— people to get onto the housing tettet. how,— people to get onto the housing ladder . now, earlier people to get onto the housing ladder. now, earlier this people to get onto the housing ladder . now, earlier this week, ladder. now, earlier this week, the chancellor,— ladder. now, earlier this week, the chancellor, jeremy hunt , the chancellor, jeremy hunt, sett— the chancellor, jeremy hunt, eett thet— the chancellor, jeremy hunt, said that there— the chancellor, jeremy hunt, said that there is no alternative - said that there is no alternative to lifting the tee-te — alternative to lifting the tee-te hut— alternative to lifting the rates. but is— alternative to lifting the rates. but is that really the eethttehe— rates. but is that really the solution? rising inflation and the we— solution? rising inflation and the th— solution? rising inflation and the war in ukraine has also meant— the war in ukraine has also meant that— the war in ukraine has also meant that household bills have treetteetty— meant that household bills have drastically increased. so is the hehethe— drastically increased. so is the housing bubble— drastically increased. so is the housing bubble also about to teeth— housing bubble also about to teeth se— housing bubble also about to burst? so for— housing bubble also about to burst? so for the— housing bubble also about to burst? so for the great british hehete— burst? so for the great british hehete thte— burst? so for the great british debate this hour,— burst? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking who or what— debate this hour, i'm asking who or what te— debate this hour, i'm asking who or what te te— debate this hour, i'm asking who or what is to blame— debate this hour, i'm asking who or what is to blame for the eeehhe— or what is to blame for the soaring mortgage rates. i'm joined— soaring mortgage rates. i'm joined hew— soaring mortgage rates. i'm joined hy— soaring mortgage rates. i'm joined now by matthew stadlen, hetttteet— joined now by matthew stadlen, political commentator, julie teeth— political commentator, julie tett, eteeetty— political commentator, julie ford, property expert and anna meeeveth— ford, property expert and anna

mcgovern, political commentator andjuliafl_ mcgovern, political commentator and julian jessop_ mcgovern, political commentator and julian jessop ,— mcgovern, political commentator and julian jessop , an and julian jessop, an independent economist. i'm going to independent economist. i'm going te etett— independent economist. i'm going te etett wtth— independent economist. i'm going to start with you,— independent economist. i'm going to start with you, julie, for a property— to start with you, julie, for a property expert— to start with you, julie, for a property expert, i want to know yeer— property expert, i want to know yew wewe— property expert, i want to know yew eh— property expert, i want to know your views on this. _ property expert, i want to know your views on this. the inaya retes— your views on this. the inaya rates are going— your views on this. the inaya rates are going up. mortgage retes— rates are going up. mortgage rates are going— rates are going up. mortgage rates are going up. mortgage rates are going up. what do you see as progression— rates are going up. what do you see as progression with regard to see as progression with regard te the— see as progression with regard to the housing— see as progression with regard to the housing market? first of all, to the housing market? first of .u, .— to the housing market? first of .u, . eeh-t— to the housing market? first of all, i don't think we're going to see a big housing crash at the end of the day, people are still going to need property. so we're not going to see the crashes seen in crashes that we've seen in history. don't think there history. so i don't think there needs panic. yes needs to be a big panic. yes absolutely. we're to see absolutely. we're going to see the rise, i think, the interest rate rise, i think, on june. and there on the 22nd of june. and there are predictions that that's going to go up again and probably highest by probably see the highest rate by december where december. sure. where that leaves people with interest on their mortgage, it's tricky. and their mortgage, it's tricky. and the problem is with the interest rates on everything increase being the cost of food, the energy prices, it's a knock on effect . there's nothing that's effect. there's nothing that's going happen immediate that's going to happen immediate that's going to happen immediate that's going resolve the situation . going to resolve the situation. we've got to this point over a level of time. and unfortunately, it's to be unfortunately, it's going to be a of that's going to

a level of time that's going to have bring us back as have to bring us back down as well. julian i to well. julian jessop, i want to eeh— well. julian jessop, i want to eeh yout— well. julian jessop, i want to eeh yout wtth— julian jessop, i want to ask you, with regard the is ask you, with regard to the is the— ask you, with regard to the is the-teeth— ask you, with regard to the is this-really the— ask you, with regard to the is this really the right way this the really the right way tetwett— this the really the right way. forward _ interest forward to increase the interest retes— forward to increase the interest rates te— forward to increase the interest rates te teth— forward to increase the interest rates to kerb inflation because thet— rates to kerb inflation because that seeme— rates to kerb inflation because that seems to— rates to kerb inflation because that seems to be— rates to kerb inflation because that seems to be the reason why thew-te— that seems to be the reason why they're doing— that seems to be the reason why they're tethg tt— that seems to be the reason why they're doing it right? �*ftt�*tigc they're doing it right? well, i ththt— they're doing it right? well, i ththt the— they're doing it right? well, i think the first— they're doing it right? well, i think the first thing to say is that interest rates rising that interest rates are rising almost everywhere around the around so, in around the western world. so, in fact, rates have risen fact, interest rates have risen even more in the united even slightly more in the united states they here. so states than they have here. so this isn't just a british phenomenon. that said, if i were on the monetary committee of the bank would vote to bank of england, i would vote to leave this week. leave rates on hold this week. and partly because the and that's partly because the impact the on the housing impact on the on the housing market, it does take a while for past increases in interest rates to through because a lot of to feed through because a lot of people are on fixed rate mortgages. lot of those mortgages. but a lot of those mortgages. but a lot of those mortgages are to up mortgages are going to come up for pretty soon. that's for renewal pretty soon. that's going really going to have a really big impact people's spending impact on people's spending power. about some of the power. what about some of the banks, though? because even theweh— banks, though? because even thewgh thew-te— banks, though? because even though they're not— g“ because even though they're not passing on the eewhee— though they're not passing on the savings so— though they're not passing on the savings so the saving rates are the savings so the saving rates eth— the savings so the saving rates are still staying— the savings so the saving rates are still staying low . julian, are still staying low. julian, whet— are still staying low. julian, whet ehewt— are still staying low. julian, what about that, though ? why why what about that, though? why why are what about that, though? why why thew— what about that, though? why why thew het— what about that, though? why why are they not doing— what about that, though? why why

are they not doing that ? well are they not doing that? well it's are they not doing that? well he e— are they not doing that? well he t he— are they not doing that? well he t he e— are they not doing that? well it's a it's a complicated etetwe— it's a it's a complicated picture because , you know, banks picture because, you know, banks at picture because, you know, banks et the— picture because, you know, banks at the ehe— picture because, you know, banks et the end et— picture because, you know, banks at the end of the— picture because, you know, banks at the end of the day do still hewe— at the end of the day do still have te— at the end of the day do still have to have— at the end of the day do still have to have to— at the end of the day do still have to have to make money and thew— have to have to make money and they ete— have to have to make money and they theme,— have to have to make money and they are facing, in— have to have to make money and they are facing, in some cases, qwtte— they are facing, in some cases, qwtte big— they are facing, in some cases, quite big losses— they are facing, in some cases, quite big losses on other parts of quite big losses on other parts et thet— quite big losses on other parts of their investment portfolio. so of their investment portfolio. se thw— of their investment portfolio. he the tent— of their investment portfolio. so any bank sitting- of their investment portfolio. so any bank sitting on- of their investment portfolio. so any bank sitting on a- of their investment portfolio. so any bank sitting on a big portfolio of bonds, for example, has actually lost quite a bit of money that. so i wouldn't money on that. so i wouldn't focus so much on that. the reality the mortgage market reality is the mortgage market is competitive . so, you is highly competitive. so, you know, are an lot of know, there are an awful lot of offers out there. so i think it's unlikely that are it's unlikely that banks are making on back making big profits on the back of that matthew stadler, making big profits on the back of that to matthew stadler, making big profits on the back of that to blame atthew stadler, making big profits on the back of that to blame ? well,tadler, making big profits on the back of that to blame ? well, before we who is to blame? well, before we wett— who is to blame? well, before we wett eut— who is to blame? well, before we wett ewt whe-e— who is to blame? well, before we work out who's to— who is to blame? well, before we work out who's to blame,- , well, before we work out who's to blame, i think tet-e— work out who's to blame, i think tet-e teet— work out who's to blame, i think tet-e twet qwtetw— work out who's to blame, i think let's just quickly deal with the hwmen— let's just quickly deal with the hwmen ette— let's just quickly deal with the human side of— let's just quickly deal with the human side of this story. 't: human side of this story. and thet— human side of this story. and that te— human side of this story. and that h thet— human side of this story. and that is that millions of people around the country are struggling and will begin to struggle with their mortgages and also with the inflation. so, in other words, a lot of households, a lot of families are being hit around the head twice, once by the cost of living inflation. and then

heeewee— living inflation. and then because mortgage- ct g and then because mortgage mortgages are going— because mortgage mortgages are going up— because mortgage mortgages are going up ,— because mortgage mortgages are gethg we , heeewee— because mortgage mortgages are going up , because interest rates going up, because interest rates are going up, because interest rates 90mg— going up, because interest rates gethg we,— going up, because interest rates are going up, they're being hit in are going up, they're being hit th thet— are going up, they're being hit in that direction— are going up, they're being hit in that direction as well. a lot of in that direction as well. a lot et people— in that direction as well. a lot of people haven't— in that direction as well. a lot of people haven't had the full teete— of people haven't had the full tetee et— of people haven't had the full force of this— of people haven't had the full force of this yet— of people haven't had the full force of this yet because heeewee— force of this yet because because of _ force of this yet because because of certain types of mettgegee— because of certain types of mortgages, fixed mortgages expiring— mortgages, fixed mortgages expiring th— mortgages, fixed mortgages expiring in the— mortgages, fixed mortgages expiring in the coming months the— expiring in the coming months the weere- — expiring in the coming months and years. now,— expiring in the coming months and years. \tz:ttt expiring in the coming months and years. with and years. now, that's not just and years. now, that's not just a ticking time bomb for people and their budgets. it's a ticking time bomb politically. so let's move to the politics. whether you blame liz truss and tweet — whether you blame liz truss and tweet tweetehg— whether you blame liz truss and kwasi kwarteng and a lot of eeewe— kwasi kwarteng and a lot of eeeete wtth— kwasi kwarteng and a lot of people will, whether you or not, you— people will, whether you or not, wee hteme— people will, whether you or not, you blame them.— people will, whether you or not, you blame them. the vast met-ethy— you blame them. the vast metehtw et— you blame them. the vast majority of people, i suspect , majority of people, i suspect, are majority of people, i suspect, eetthe— majority of people, i suspect, are asking themselves the eweetteh— are asking themselves the question when— are asking themselves the question when we go to the polls next— question when we go to the polls next year— question when we go to the polls next year et— question when we go to the polls next year et th— question when we go to the polls next year or in january of 2025, wett— next year or in january of 2025, we-tt eeh— next year or in january of 2025, we'll ask themselves, am i hettet— we'll ask themselves, am i hettet et— we'll ask themselves, am i better or worse _ we'll ask themselves, am i better or worse off than i was in better or worse off than i was th hete— better or worse off than i was th 20th et— better or worse off than i was in 2019 or indeed— better or worse off than i was in 2019 or indeed back in 2010 when— in 2019 or indeed back in 2010 when the— in 2019 or indeed back in 2010 when the tories— in 2019 or indeed back in 2010 when the tories first got into hewee— when the tories first got into power? the— when the tories first got into power? the answer , i think power? the answer, i think etmeet— power? the answer, i think almost unanimously , will be we almost unanimously, will be we are almost unanimously, will be we eth— almost unanimously, will be we ett .— almost unanimously, will be we are worse off . so— almost unanimously, will be we are worse off . so whether or not are worse off. so whether or not you— are worse off. so whether or not wee teette — are worse off. so whether or not you teette te— are worse off. so whether or not you decide to blame the government,— you decide to blame the government, actually that's what i government, actually that's what . ththt— government, actually that's what t ththt eeewe— government, actually that's what i think people will— government, actually that's what i think people will do. "it? i think people will do. anna weeeweth— i think people will do. anna mcgovern no,— i think people will do. anna mcgovern no, i— i think people will do. anna mcgovern no, i have to

absolutely echo everything, matthew saying, you know , i'm a matthew saying, you know, i'm a young person myself . i've young person myself. i've graduated university- g i've graduated university quite teeehttw— graduated university quite recently and,— graduated university quite recently and, you know, i will eew— recently and, you know, i will he went— recently and, you know, i will one day want to— recently and, you know, i will one day want to own my own home, as one day want to own my own home, ee wtt— one day want to own my own home, ee wttt meny— one day want to own my own home, ee wttt mehw et— one day want to own my own home, ee wttt many et mw— one day want to own my own home, as will many of my friends. and i as will many of my friends. and . ththt— as will many of my friends. and . ththt tt-e— as will many of my friends. and i think it's absolutely tewttwthg— i think it's absolutely terrifying what we're seeing at the mmeht— terrifying what we're seeing at the moment, especially with the teet— the moment, especially with the eeet—gethg— the moment, especially with the eeet—gethg we. - the moment, especially with the cost—going up. andl cost of housing going up. and we're not actually building enough either. and yet a enough housing either. and yet a lot of, know, illegal lot of, you know, illegal immigrants are coming in and taking up a lot of the housing. and keeping with and we're not keeping up with demand. really think that we demand. i really think that we should be turning blame on should be turning the blame on the know, the the government. you know, the conservative they're conservative party, they're meant to be the party of home ownership and many ownership. and yet so many people struggling people are struggling to actually to to actually be able to afford to own own home. so i think own their own home. so i think when it does come general when it does come to the general election. will election. a lot of fingers will be pointed at the government. hm but what about of the hm but what about some of the ththee— hm but what about some of the ththee-ete— hm but what about some of the things are happening? i things that are happening? i. mean, as as julian pointed out, thteteet— mean, as as julian pointed out, thteteet-ete— mean, as as julian pointed out, interest-are going- mean, as as julian pointed out, interest are going up interest rates are going up everywhere.— interest rates are going up everywhere. this isn't just in the— everywhere. this isn't just in thte eewntrw— everywhere. this isn't just in this country, julian. i mean, you— this country, julian. i mean, wee-thet— this country, julian. i mean, you-that, didn't- this country, julian. i mean, you that, didn't you? you said that, didn't you? when— you said that, didn't you? julia" vee— you said that, didn't you? julian yes, that's right. �*" julian yes, that's right. but if i julian yes, that's right. but if . weee— julian yes, that's right. but if . te— julian yes, that's right. but if i were to look— julian yes, that's right. but if i were to look specifically at the uk, i think i would still end the bank of end up blaming the bank of england. ultimately it's the

bank england's job england. ultimately it's the bank england'sjob control bank of england's job to control the inflation. the overall level of inflation. so things like food and energy pnces so things like food and energy prices might be influenced by global but we do have a global factors, but we do have a higher inflation rate than many other countries. i think the bank has to take more bank of england has to take more than a fair share of blame for that. also the that. i'd also blame the government particularly government though, particularly for the problems in the in the housing one housing market, because one reason have taken out reason why people have taken out lots these short term fixed lots of these short term fixed rate mortgages is that that's the way they could afford the only way they could afford to because they're in to buy houses because they're in such supply that such short supply that the pnces such short supply that the prices ridiculously high. so prices are ridiculously high. so it's combination of the bank it's a combination of the bank of being the of england being behind the game. controlling inflation game. on controlling inflation often, and the government often, and also the government not to be not allowing enough houses to be built. final word to you, julie tert— built. final word to you, julie tett veeh— built. final word to you, julie tett veeh ,— built. final word to you, julie ford yeah , mean— built. final word to you, julie ford yeah , mean i— cc final word to you, julie ford yeah , mean i echo ford yeah, mean i echo ewewththe— ford yeah, mean i echo everything that's been said by the penet— everything that's been said by the panel today,— everything that's been said by the panel today, but i think the meth— the panel today, but i think the hew— the panel today, but i think the key here— the panel today, but i think the main key here is— the panel today, but i think the main key here is people will etwewe— main key here is people will etwewe went— main key here is people will always want to _ main key here is people will always want to buy homes, whether— always want to buy homes, whether they're _ always want to buy homes, whether they're going to be able to whether they're going to be able te ethere— whether they're going to be able to afford them— whether they're going to be able to afford them is— whether they're going to be able to afford them is going to be an ahe— to afford them is going to be an ant .— to afford them is going to be an issue. and i don't— to afford them is going to be an issue. and i don't think- to afford them is going to be an issue. "ts c to afford them is going to be an issue. "t: c issue. and i don't think it's at this point the government should be grants be stepping in with any grants or like did during or funding like they did during covid. this is something that needs out by the needs to be sorted out by the

rate inflation, coupled with rate of inflation, coupled with , as has already said, the , as has already been said, the bank base rate. all bank of england base rate. all right. was to ask you, right. so if i was to ask you, eeeh— right. so if i was to ask you, eeeh et— right. so if i was to ask you, eeeh et yout— right. so if i was to ask you, each of you, who— right. so if i was to ask you, each of you, who do you blame for each of you, who do you blame tee-wett— each of you, who do you blame for-matt stadlen,- each of you, who do you blame for matt stadlen, in for this? matt stadlen, in a were,— for this? matt stadlen, in a were-te— for this? matt stadlen, in a wett-te wee- for this? matt stadlen, in a word, do you blame? is there word, who do you blame? is there ehehew— word, who do you blame? is there ehehew te— word, who do you blame? is there anyone to blame— word, who do you blame? is there anyone to blame for— word, who do you blame? is there anyone to blame for this thttetteh— anyone to blame for this inflation view? anyone to blame for this inflation _view? to inflation in your view? well to ehewet—hwt- inflation in your view? well to answer_ but the. answer it in a word, but the eewetheheht— answer it in a word, but the government partly to blame government is partly to blame the—parflvt- government is partly to blame the—partly, julie.| the government. partly, julie. whe— the government. partly, julie. whe-veeh— the government. partly, julie. julie-yeah ,— the government. partly, julie. julie yeah , partly blame julie ford yeah, partly to blame wtth— julie ford yeah, partly to blame wtth htetew— julie ford yeah, partly to blame with history being— julie ford yeah, partly to blame with history being a big factor in with history being a big factor th thet— with history being a big factor th thet .— with history being a big factor in that . aidan— with history being a big factor in that . aidan mcgivern yeah , to in that. aidan mcgivern yeah, to eheetwtetw— in that. aidan mcgivern yeah, to absolutely agree. _ in that. aidan mcgivern yeah, to absolutely agree. ' i absolutely agree. a main emphasis on the conservative party , who do you blame ? well, party, who do you blame? well, ultimately it's the— party, who do you blame? well, ultimately it's the bank- party, who do you blame? well, ultimately it's the bank of- ultimately it's the bank of theteht-e— ultimately it's the bank of thgteht-e job— ultimately it's the bank of england's job to control thttetteh— england's job to control inflation and- england's job to control inflation and they have failed. theht— inflation and they have failed. theht vou— inflation and they have failed. theht you very— inflation and they have failed. thank you very much.- inflation and they have failed. thank you very much. thank you for all of you. matthew stadler and adam mcguffin for all of you. matthew stadler and julian adam mcguffin for all of you. matthew stadler and julian jessop,3m mcguffin for all of you. matthew stadler and julian jessop, thank guffin for all of you. matthew stadler and julian jessop, thank youin for all of you. matthew stadler and julian jessop, thank you for your is gb your thoughts. this is gb news is on online and on digital is on tv, online and on digital radio. who do you blame? that's the question. love to hear the question. i'd love to hear your way is our your thoughts on the way is our great debate hour. great british debate this hour. you'll hear thoughts of my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, broadcaster and panel, the broadcaster and author christine hamilton and also journalist also broadcaster and journalist danny let's danny kelly. but first, let's get latest news headlines .

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will say is reiterate the statement issued last sunday am certain that have done nothing wrong and intend to be back in parliament in the early part of the week. i'll make myself available for questions then. obviously within the constraints that i'm referring to right now , for now, i intend to go home, catch up with some family . i catch up with some family. i know i'm a public figure, accept what comes with that, but i'm also a human being that is entitled to a bit of privacy . entitled to a bit of privacy. more than 10,000 people have heem— more than 10,000 people have been detected— more than 10,000 people have been detected crossing the thetteh— been detected crossing the english channel in small boats. so english channel in small boats. se tet— english channel in small boats. he he the— english channel in small boats. so far this year. _ english channel in small boats. so far this year. home office hewee— so far this year. home office hewee hewe— so far this year. home office figures have confirmed that eeeemee— figures have confirmed that crossings have— figures have confirmed that crossings have increased because of crossings have increased because et the— crossings have increased because et the eeht— crossings have increased because of the recent good— crossings have increased because of the recent good weather, with them — of the recent good weather, with more than 2500— of the recent good weather, with more than 2500 making the journey— more than 2500 making the journey m— more than 2500 making the journey m the— more than 2500 making the journey in the past week. however, the _ journey in the past week. however, the total number of eeeemee— however, the total number of eeeemee ee— however, the total number of crossings so far— however, the total number of crossings so far this year remains below- crossings so far this year remains below the equivalent hme— remains below the equivalent he et— remains below the equivalent number at this— remains below the equivalent number at this time last year. ttght— number at this time last year. tteht vee— number at this time last year. ttteht wee em— number at this time last year. right you can get— number at this time last year. right you can get more on all of theee— right you can get more on all of theee etettee— right you can get more on all of those stories by— right you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our wehette— those stories by visiting our wehette. eh— those stories by visiting our website, gb news .com. now let's

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gb news britain's news. channel good afternoon. we are the heewe-e— good afternoon. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua . thte— people's channel. i'm nana akua . thte te— people's channel. i'm nana akua . thte te eh— people's channel. i'm nana akua . this is gb news.— people's channel. i'm nana akua . this is gb news. it's now time for . this is gb news. it's now time he ew— . this is gb news. it's now time he meet— . this is gb news. it's now time for our great british— . this is gb news. it's now time for our great british debate. thte— for our great british debate. thte hem.— for our great british debate. this hour. and— for our great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking who is to this hour. and i'm asking who is te hteme— this hour. and i'm asking who is te hteme tet— this hour. and i'm asking who is to blame for the— this hour. and i'm asking who is to blame for the soaring metteeee— to blame for the soaring mortgage rates. now the bank of thgteht— mortgage rates. now the bank of theteht te— mortgage rates. now the bank of england is expected to increase its england is expected to increase tte hew— england is expected to increase its key interest— england is expected to increase its key interest rate next week for its key interest rate next week he e— its key interest rate next week he e teth— its key interest rate next week for a 13th time,— its key interest rate next week for a 13th time, according to the— for a 13th time, according to the resolution— for a 13th time, according to the resolution foundation. this thet— the resolution foundation. this means that people trying to temetteeee— means that people trying to remortgage homes will have remortgage their homes will have to pay— remortgage their homes will have te eew theee— remortgage their homes will have te eew theee e— remortgage their homes will have to pay £2,900 a year more from zom— to pay £2,900 a year more from 2024 onwards. _ to pay £2,900 a year more from 2024 onwards. now— to pay £2,900 a year more from 2024 onwards. now that is teeehtw— 2024 onwards. now that is roughly theo— 2024 onwards. now that is roughly £200 a— 2024 onwards. now that is roughly £200 a month. so by the ehe— roughly £200 a month. so by the end et— roughly £200 a month. so by the end et the— roughly £200 a month. so by the end et the weee— roughly £200 a month. so by the end of the year, interest rates eeete— end of the year, interest rates eewtt eeeh— end of the year, interest rates could reach 6,— end of the year, interest rates could reach 6, meaning that thet— could reach 6, meaning that their borrowing— could reach 6, meaning that their borrowing power could be reduced— their borrowing power could be reduced hw— their borrowing power could be reduced by around about £77,000, whteh— reduced by around about £77,000, whteh metthg— reduced by around about £77,000, which making it— reduced by around about £77,000, which making it far— reduced by around about £77,000, which making it far more thttett— which making it far more difficult for— which making it far more difficult for people to get onto the hemme— difficult for people to get onto the housing ladder. earlier this week.— the housing ladder. earlier this week, chancellor— the housing ladder. earlier this week, chancellor jeremy hunt eett— week, chancellor jeremy hunt eett thet— week, chancellor jeremy hunt said that there— week, chancellor jeremy hunt said that there is— week, chancellor jeremy hunt said that there is no alternative - said that there is no alternative to lifting the tee — alternative to lifting the tee het— alternative to lifting the rates. but is— alternative to lifting the rates. but is this really the

emw— rates. but is this really the only solution— rates. but is this really the only solution to- rates. but is this really the only solution to rising inflation— only solution to rising inflation and the war in ukraine hewe— inflation and the war in ukraine hewe etee— inflation and the war in ukraine have also meant— inflation and the war in ukraine have also meant household bills hewe— have also meant household bills have drastically— have also meant household bills have drastically increased. so is have drastically increased. so te the— have drastically increased. so is the housing— have drastically increased. so is the housing bubble about to heret— is the housing bubble about to hwet e— is the housing bubble about to hwet e he— is the housing bubble about to burst ? so the— is the housing bubble about to burst ? so the great british burst? so the great british hehete— burst? so the great british debate this— burst? so the great british debate this hour i'm asking who or debate this hour i'm asking who et whet— debate this hour i'm asking who et whet te— debate this hour i'm asking who et whet te te— debate this hour i'm asking who or what is to blame for the eeehme— or what is to blame for the soaring mortgage rates. well, joining— soaring mortgage rates. well, temtme-hew— soaring mortgage rates. well, tetmtme-hew .— soaring mortgage rates. well, tetmtme-hew . mw- soaring mortgage rates. well, joining now , my panel, joining me now, my panel, author and joining me now, my panel, author ehe—hemm— joining me now, my panel, author ehe—hemw tettw- joining me now, my panel, author and danny kelly, and and broadcaster danny kelly, and etee— and broadcaster danny kelly, and also christine— and broadcaster danny kelly, and also christine hamilton, broadcaster— also christine hamilton, broadcaster and author. you're not broadcaster and author. you're met em— broadcaster and author. you're not an author.— broadcaster and author. you're not an author. you— broadcaster and author. you're not an author. you have written emwthmg— not an author. you have written anything heme— not an author. you have written anything, danny, before. i've whtteh— anything, danny, before. i've whtteh e— anything, danny, before. i've written a title. _ anything, danny, before. i've written a title. “if“ written a title. i've written a cookbook at the bbc. have you? yeah, written a cookbook, yeah, i've written a cookbook, yeah, the bbc . he's done yeah, just in the bbc. he's done it. it was just like a novelty thing. just when i got the main gigt thing. just when i got the main gig, you're gig, they said, dan, you're a chef. write cookbook and we'll chef. write a cookbook and we'll get bit chef. you get a bit of next chef. you wrote a cookbook or- gti. c “tix. you wrote a cookbook or wrote a eeetheete— wrote a cookbook or wrote a eeetheete a— wrote a cookbook or wrote a cookbook? a couple of menus. wem.— cookbook? a couple of menus. veeh. het— cookbook? a couple of menus. veeh. hut vou— cookbook? a couple of menus. yeah, but you need— cookbook? a couple of menus. yeah, but you need to- cookbook? a couple of menus. yeah, but you need to understand some with some of the dishes with with things. just creations like baked crisps and baked beans with crisps and cheese it. it was just a bit cheese in it. it was just a bit of fun. how many pens? i think there are about 28 recipes. baked a baked beans baked beans, a book, baked beans with in it. it's just with crisps in it. it's just a bit of fun, know, to get bit of fun, you know, to get some but am some publicity. but i am an author of cookbook. in fact, author of a cookbook. in fact,

between us, i between the three of us, i think i was the first to write a book back in your probably my back in your box. probably my first 97. no, you were first was 97, 97. no, you were the first to i the first to write. i think yours is pamphlet, a leaflet, yours is a pamphlet, a leaflet, rather leaflet, you rather than leaflet, if you prefer . the it's prefer a leaflet. the it's a teettet— prefer a leaflet. the it's a leaflet i've— prefer a leaflet. the it's a leaflet i've authored- the it's a leaflet i've authored a leaflet. then— leaflet i've authored a leaflet. then . tem— leaflet i've authored a leaflet. then . fair enough.— leaflet i've authored a leaflet. “ti“ fair enough. all leaflet i've authored a leaflet. fair enough. all right, so then. fair enough. all right, so tet-e— then. fair enough. all right, so tet-e wee— then. fair enough. all right, so em you eewe— then. fair enough. all right, so let's you guys you've- fair enough. all right, so let's you guys you've bought heee— let's you guys you've bought houses, haven't— let's you guys you've bought houses, haven't you? you've heweht— houses, haven't you? you've bought homes.— houses, haven't you? you've bought homes. _ houses, haven't you? you've bought homes. “g bought homes. but best thing i ever and this is a top tip ever did and this is a top tip if you've got a few quid at the end of month, overpay, end of the month, overpay, overpay, overpay . i thankfully overpay, overpay. i thankfully i overpay, overpay. i thankfully i overpay your mortgage. overpay your mortgage. you reduce your debt dramatically . honestly, you debt dramatically. honestly, you reduce the amount of years and the if you overpay £1,000 at the end of the month, £1,000 comes off. not the balloon with all the interest it comes off the actual debt. so if you've got 500 grand mortgage, that £1,000 makes it 499,900 or whatever. the maths is. overpay, overpay, overpay . liz truss we cannot overpay. liz truss we cannot denyit. overpay. liz truss we cannot deny it . yes, there are global deny it. yes, there are global inflation issues. yes, interest rates are going through the roof because of that idiot putin and his fat belarusian mate. we get

all of that. but liz truss , last all of that. but liz truss, last year this terrible 44 days of her leadership and that awful kamikaze style budget and the bank of england, the markets reacted negatively. everything fell through the floor. i'm noticing it as a car dealer as well. the whole game has gone quiet because of the bank of england interest rates. it's a global thing, but we can't let her off the hook for that terrible budget . do you really terrible budget. do you really thmt— terrible budget. do you really thmt tt— terrible budget. do you really thmt tt wee— terrible budget. do you really think it was that— terrible budget. do you really think it was that bad?- 3g do you really think it was that bad? she i ththt— think it was that bad? she i ththt-het— think it was that bad? she i think-had the- think it was that bad? she i think had the right idea. think she had the right idea. veeh. — think she had the right idea. veeh. het— think she had the right idea. yeah. but-markets- think she had the right idea. yeah. but-markets just. yeah. but the markets just collapsed, might be a good collapsed, so it might be a good idea, the markets didn't idea, but the markets didn't think good idea, but think it was a good idea, but they didn't like it, they just didn't like it, really. i think was more of really. i think this was more of a really. i think this was more of elteh-t— really. i think this was more of elteh-t thew.— really. i think this was more of aidon't know, it— really. i think this was more of aidon't know, it felt- ”cant i think this was more of a don't know, it felt like a i don't know, it felt like a hte— a i don't know, it felt like a the e— a i don't know, it felt like a more like a globalist kind of eewe.— more like a globalist kind of eewe. thew— more like a globalist kind of coup. they wanted their to coup. they wanted their man to be coup. they wanted their man to he—te— coup. they wanted their man to he—te me- coup. they wanted their man to he—te tt- coup. they wanted their man to be_to me, it feels. be at the top. to me, it feels the— be at the top. to me, it feels ttteltwet— be at the top. to me, it feels likeljust-like- be at the top. to me, it feels like just like there like it just felt like there were other— like it just felt like there were other pressures. and i ththt— were other pressures. and i ththt thet— were other pressures. and i think that interest rates would hewe— think that interest rates would have gone up anyway. and she was a have gone up anyway. and she was e eeet— have gone up anyway. and she was e good eeeeeeeet— have gone up anyway. and she was a good scapegoat the a good scapegoat for the mettete. — a good scapegoat for the markets. interested in markets. aren't interested in personalities. _ personalities. no, no, i think thew—t- personalities. no, no, i think thew—t teh-tl they might well be. i don't ththt— they might well be. i don't think-true,- they might well be. i don't think true, christine. think that's true, christine. tt-e— think that's true, christine. tt-e ett— think that's true, christine. it's all about— think that's true, christine. it's all about confidence. so thew—te- it's all about confidence. soj thew—te whet they are going back to what hemm— they are going back to what. danny—mortgages. they are going back to what- danny_mortgages. i danny said about mortgages. i

mean,-interest- danny said about mortgages. i mean,-interest rates- danny said about mortgages. i mean,-interest rates are. mean, when interest rates are low it's great low a mortgages, it's a great way make money, way to make money, frankly, because can borrow a lot of because you can borrow a lot of money at a very rate . and money at a very small rate. and then interest rates go up , then when interest rates go up, you it back on the you make it back on the property. it entirely depends property. so it entirely depends on interest rates. how on interest rates. i wonder how many members of the for many members of the cabinet, for example, mortgage ? example, have a mortgage? probably not it's left for probably not many. it's left for one rule for them and 1—1 rule for us. but no, people have been left absolutely . they're going left absolutely. they're going to be in terrible. we're going to be in terrible. we're going to negative fairly to have negative equity fairly soon. i blame of soon. i blame the bank of england. i think andrew bailey fair should take fair and square should take a big share of the blame for not increasing interest rates when he could have if we'd had a he could have done if we'd had a gradual wouldn't gradual increase, we wouldn't have now it just have had this cliff. now it just happens to be 25 years roughly to the week when gordon brown , to the week when gordon brown, who was tony blair's chancellor, called the then governor of the bank of england, eddie george, into number two. the treasury to number 11, and said, i'm going to give the bank of england independence control over independence and control over interest and andrew interest rates. and andrew bailey he was a sort bailey was there. he was a sort of junior i'm not quite sure

exactly what his title was. so 25 years ago was when the bank of england were handed this responsibility. and i think they have lot to blame for andy have a lot to blame for andy haldane, who was the chief economy at the bank until relatively recently. he wanted to increase interest rates. but andrew, i mean, he's been asleep at the wheel. of course, it's ukraine as well . and we've now ukraine as well. and we've now we've got this terrible business with the kazakh kazakova dam, which is now destroyed so much because energy prices and food pnces because energy prices and food prices are the two big things that fuel inflation. and both of those are very badly affected by the ukraine. russia, may i ettteee— the ukraine. russia, may i address one— the ukraine. russia, may i address one of— the ukraine. russia, may i address one of your- russia, may i address one of your questions very— address one of your questions now very briefly,— address one of your questions now very briefly, is, is the meet— now very briefly, is, is the mettet going— now very briefly, is, is the market going to collapse? no heeewee— market going to collapse? no heeewee the— market going to collapse? no because the tenant of supply and tememt— because the tenant of supply and temeht .— because the tenant of supply and demand , there— because the tenant of supply and demand , there is— because the tenant of supply and demand , there is still more demand, there is still more supply-— demand, there is still more supply- sorry— demand, there is still more supply. sorry there is more temeht— supply. sorry there is more demand than— supply. sorry there is more demand than supply. so the answer is no. _ demand than supply. so the answer is no. c answer is no. but it also depends if people start defaulting on their poor girl, people on their people start defaulting on their mortgages. then we have a similar remember the subprime fiasco 2000? fiasco that we had in 2000? i think was 2009. that may be think it was 2009. that may be an influence that young. got to be that young

be careful that young girl on your mean, good luck to your panel, i mean, good luck to her. ihope your panel, i mean, good luck to her. i hope she does get her hewee— her. i hope she does get her hewee-eew— her. i hope she does get her house-day, but- her. i hope she does get her house-day, but she- i hope she does get her house day, but she lives house one day, but she lives in a house one day, but she lives in eee— tt— house one day, but she lives in eee— tt te. - house one day, but she lives in eee— tt te. t- house one day, but she lives ini a_as it is. i don't a lovely house as it is. i don't thew— a lovely house as it is. i don't thew whe— a lovely house as it is. i don't know who she. a lovely house as it is. i don't know who-she. i- a lovely house as it is. i don'tl know who .she. i thought a lovely house as it is. i don't. know who .she. i thought i know who does she. i thought i ththt— know who does she. i thought i ththt thet— know who does she. i thought i think that might— know who does she. i thought i think that might be— know who does she. i thought i think that might be a- : i thought i think that might be a squatter. she-e— think that might be a squatter. shes-theee— think that might be a squatter. she's-there somewhere- think that might be a squatter. she's out there somewhere based on she it's her on what she said, it's not her house. well, says nothing house. well, this says nothing without welcome our without you. let's welcome our great their great british voices on their opportunity to be on the show and us they think and tell us what they think about topics we're about the topics we're discussing. four of discussing. i've got four of you. jacqui you. let's start with jacqui sampson albans. sampson from saint albans. jackie, what do you jackie, jackie, what do you think this? hello. nice. i think about this? hello. nice. i think about this? hello. nice. i think it goes back much further than, you know, the recent years . ithink than, you know, the recent years . i think personally, the house hewee— . i think personally, the house hewee emee— . i think personally, the house house price has— i think personally, the house house price has been artificially- house price has been artificially high for too long. we artificially high for too long. we het— artificially high for too long. we het theee— artificially high for too long. we had cheap credit for too many wee— we had cheap credit for too many wee heewe— we had cheap credit for too many wee heeete aet— we had cheap credit for too many years. people got suckered into a years. people got suckered into etetee— years. people got suckered into etetee eeme— years. people got suckered into a false sense of— years. people got suckered into a false sense of security . we a false sense of security. we got— a false sense of security. we get greedy.— a false sense of security. we got greedy. everybody thought thew— got greedy. everybody thought they wee— got greedy. everybody thought they going— got greedy. everybody thought they were going to make money. amt— they were going to make money. amt-eeehemte- they were going to make money. and economic history, and through economic history, there-e— and through economic history, thete-e—hwet. - and through economic history, there's-bust. i- and through economic history, there's bust. i mean and through economic history,. there's-bust. i mean , there's boom and bust. i mean, the— there's boom and bust. i mean, the-theme.- there's boom and bust. i mean, the-england, they- there's boom and bust. i mean, the england, they are the bank of england, they are not the bank of england, they are met eteetet. — the bank of england, they are not elected. they're not even hehtete— not elected. they're not even hemtete .— not elected. they're not even bankers . they're— not elected. they're not even bankers . they're economists. so bankers. they're economists. so thew— bankers. they're economists. so thew-te— bankers. they're economists. so thew-te them— bankers. they're economists. so they to their policy. they react to their policy. i ththt— they react to their policy. i think there's— they react to their policy. i think there's a— they react to their policy. i think there's a lot more thwetwet— think there's a lot more involved than- think there's a lot more involved than one set of people. vee— involved than one set of people. wee eem-t— involved than one set of people. you can't blame— involved than one set of people. you can't blame the government. heht— you can't blame the government. heht et— you can't blame the government. bank of england,— you can't blame the government. bank of england, this

bank of england, i think this is thttettehew— bank of england, i think this is inflationary-and- bank of england, i think this is inflationary and it inflationary pressure and it eeee— inflationary pressure and it eeee meth— inflationary pressure and it goes much higher up . yeah, i'm a goes much higher up. yeah, i'm a bit goes much higher up. yeah, i'm a htt et— goes much higher up. yeah, i'm a htt et e— goes much higher up. yeah, i'm a bit of a conspiracy— goes much higher up. yeah, i'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist. i ththt— bit of a conspiracy theorist. i think there's— bit of a conspiracy theorist. i think there's reasons why it's heem— think there's reasons why it's been engineered— think there's reasons why it's been engineered to bring us where— been engineered to bring us where-ere.— been engineered to bring us where are. didn't been engineered to bring us- where.are. _didn't help where we are. covid didn't help all where we are. covid didn't help ett the— where we are. covid didn't help ett the eeet— where we are. covid didn't help all the cost of— where we are. covid didn't help all the cost of living thing. the— all the cost of living thing. the inflationary pressure means thew-te— the inflationary pressure means they're keeping— the inflationary pressure means they're keeping the rates high eme— they're keeping the rates high end .— they're keeping the rates high end . ththh— they're keeping the rates high and i think, don't shoot me tewm— and i think, don't shoot me tewm. we— and i think, don't shoot me down. we need— and i think, don't shoot me down. we need a bit of a reset. tt-e— down. we need a bit of a reset. tt-e heem— down. we need a bit of a reset. it's been artificially pat cuttem. — it's been artificially pat cullen. david- it's been artificially pat cullen. david begum thank you for cullen. david begum thank you tet thet.— cullen. david begum thank you he thet. — cullen. david begum thank you for that. jackie— cullen. david begum thank you for that. i ti alana thank for that. jackie. alana thank you— for that. jackie. alana thank youfor— for that. jackie. alana thank youforhaving— for that. jackie. alana thank you for having me— for that. i ti alana thank you for having me on. agree eetttettw— you for having me on. agree eetttettw wtth— you for having me on. agree partially with jackie, but eetwettw— partially with jackie, but actually i'm— partially with jackie, but actually i'm old enough to remember when interest rates .5%_ remember when interest rates the ehe— remember when interest rates were 15% and we— remember when interest rates were 15% and we had this crazy ettwetteh— were 15% and we had this crazy situation where— were 15% and we had this crazy situation where the world mettete— situation where the world markets nearly died because of peer— markets nearly died because of poor decisions— markets nearly died because of poor decisions ,— markets nearly died because of poor decisions , the toxic poor decisions, the toxic metteeeee. — poor decisions, the toxic mortgages. “i“ poor decisions, the toxic mortgages. “eh: poor decisions, the toxic mortgages. poor decisions, the toxic— mortgages. then we had the price coming down, the interest rates coming down, the interest rates coming down, the interest rates coming down because they had to do something to regulate the market. and then everyone eemetethet— market. and then everyone complained there- and then everyone complained there was no interest for complained there was no interest tet the— complained there was no interest he the eewete— complained there was no interest for the savers, but— complained there was no interest for the savers, but the savers, the— for the savers, but the savers, the eeewe— for the savers, but the savers, the eeeete whe— for the savers, but the savers, the people who needed the money to the people who needed the money te — the people who needed the money te _the— the people who needed the money to save. _the bank- the people who needed the money to save. _the bank of- to save. i think the bank of england have been in net. they've allowed interest rates

to they've allowed interest rates te hewe— they've allowed interest rates te hewe he— they've allowed interest rates to have no idea— they've allowed interest rates to have no idea what to do with the petty. — to have no idea what to do with the eettew. tt-e— to have no idea what to do with the policy. it's stick a finger in the policy. it's stick a finger th the— the policy. it's stick a finger th the eh— the policy. it's stick a finger in the air. we're— the policy. it's stick a finger in the air. we're going to merge— in the air. we're going to eheme thte— in the air. we're going to charge this month. the lenders are charge this month. the lenders tethe— charge this month. the lenders are loving every— charge this month. the lenders are loving every minute of it heeewee— are loving every minute of it because-recover. are loving every minute of it because recover a lot because they can recover a lot of because they can recover a lot et—thew— because they can recover a lot et—thew teet- because they can recover a lot of_they lost goingi of the money they lost going teet— of the money they lost going heet te— of the money they lost going back to 2008— of the money they lost going back to 2008 and the tragedies thet— back to 2008 and the tragedies thet heeeehet— back to 2008 and the tragedies that happened then, they made the mistakes.— that happened then, they made the mistakes. they caused the etehteme— the mistakes. they caused the etehteme .— the mistakes. they caused the etehteme . we— the mistakes. they caused the problems . we are— the mistakes. they caused the problems . we are still paying problems. we are still paying for problems. we are still paying tet theee— problems. we are still paying tet theee th— problems. we are still paying for those in rates. �*tw�*tix j t: for those in rates. well, david, twe— for those in rates. well, david, i've got to move on. let's go to miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson, but miranda richardson in northampton. miranda your time, miranda he's cut into your time, so got a bit less. yeah, so you've got a bit less. yeah, i think i actually— so you've got a bit less. yeah, i think i actually party- so you've got a bit less. yeah, i think i actually party a- i think i actually party a thtte— i think i actually party a ttttte htt— i think i actually party a little bit with— i think i actually party a little bit with jacqui there. i do little bit with jacqui there. i he ththt— little bit with jacqui there. i do think that— little bit with jacqui there. i do think that that there are eewetet— do think that that there are several parties— do think that that there are several parties to blame . and i several parties to blame. and i ththt— several parties to blame. and i ththt ehe— several parties to blame. and i ththt et— several parties to blame. and i think one of the— several parties to blame. and i think one of the aspects that we teeth— think one of the aspects that we teeth ee— think one of the aspects that we really are losing— think one of the aspects that we really are losing sight of a thtte— really are losing sight of a ttttte htt— really are losing sight of a little bit is— really are losing sight of a little bit is the— really are losing sight of a little bit is the amount you mehttehet— little bit is the amount you mentioned it— little bit is the amount you mentioned it earlier, people tetewttthe— mentioned it earlier, people defaulting mortgages as defaulting on their mortgages as as defaulting on their mortgages as ee the— defaulting on their mortgages as as the interest— defaulting on their mortgages as as the interest rates get higher ehe— as the interest rates get higher end eeewe— as the interest rates get higher end eeeete ee— as the interest rates get higher and people are having to temettgege— and people are having to remortgage now because they've eemee-t— remortgage now because they've eemee-t e— remortgage now because they've eemee-t e term.- remortgage now because they've come-of a term, if- come to an end of a term, if thew-we— come to an end of a term, if they've defaulted- come to an end of a term, if they've defaulted the likelihood is they've defaulted the likelihood te thew— they've defaulted the likelihood te they went— they've defaulted the likelihood is they won't i able - they've defaulted the likelihood is they won't able to is they won't be able to temettgeee— is they won't be able to remortgage-in. is they won't be able to remortgage in that remortgage money in that property— remortgage money in that eteeettw et— remortgage money in that eteeettw et het— remortgage money in that property or not because the teneme— property or not because the lending restrictions have become

so lending restrictions have become ee—thet— lending restrictions have become ee—thet wehe- lending restrictions have become so _that we're theni so much tighter that we're then going— so much tighter that we're then going te— so much tighter that we're then going te he— so much tighter that we're then going te he th— so much tighter that we're then going to be in this— so much tighter that we're then going to be in this avenue where thew-te— going to be in this avenue where they're going— going to be in this avenue where they're going te— going to be in this avenue where they're going to have to sell or mete— they're going to have to sell or meet—eh- they're going to have to sell or make—can and. make whatever they can and tewhetze — make whatever they can and tewhetze .— make whatever they can and downsize .-we're- make whatever they can and downsize . we're then going downsize. and we're then going to downsize. and we're then going te he— downsize. and we're then going te he th— downsize. and we're then going te he th the— downsize. and we're then going to be in this spiral— downsize. and we're then going to be in this spiral of people teethe— to be in this spiral of people losing-homes- to be in this spiral of people losing-homes .- to be in this spiral of people. losing-homes .-know, losing their homes. you know, i ththt— losing their homes. you know, i ththt-tt— losing their homes. you know, i ththt-tt mteht— losing their homes. you know, i think-it might it— losing their homes. you know, i think it might it might think it's it might it might hmhe— think it's it might it might the the— think it's it might it might bring the house prices down. whmee.— bring the house prices down. miranda, let's— bring the house prices down. miranda, let's get— bring the house prices down. miranda, let's get to- bring the house prices down. miranda, let's get to leigh webb, we're running webb, because we're running out of you've 30s . of time. leigh, you've got 30s. yeah, we're are we are yeah, i think we're are we are hete— yeah, i think we're are we are here where— yeah, i think we're are we are here where we— yeah, i think we're are we are here where we are— yeah, i think we're are we are here where we are now largely heeewee— here where we are now largely heeewee the— here where we are now largely because the covid we've made 400,— because the covid we've made no, theo— because the covid we've made 400, £500 million— because the covid we've made 400, £500 million extra. that's whet— 400, £500 million extra. that's whet w-wee— 400, £500 million extra. that's what we've printed _ 400, £500 million extra. that's what we've printed to control thet— what we've printed to control that inflation. _ what we've printed to control that inflation. �*tw�*ti iiti that inflation. we have to use interest rates . and i think that interest rates. and i think that is the biggest effect that we've had. why mortgage rates are so hmh— had. why mortgage rates are so high et— had. why mortgage rates are so high et the— had. why mortgage rates are so high at the moment— “eh: why mortgage rates are so high at the moment. the house emee— high at the moment. the house eheee hewe— high at the moment. the house prices have already started eemme— prices have already started coming down. _ prices have already started coming down. v/tix gtix prices have already started coming down. v/tix gtit. coming down. you've only got to look some of the websites look at some of the websites that do the house sales and it's all little red arrow going all the little red arrow going down. that's the way it down. well, that's the way it teete— down. well, that's the way it teete ttte — down. well, that's the way it looks like it's— : well, that's the way it looks like it's going to be eemthg— looks like it's going to be coming-listen. looks like it's going to be coming-listen ,i looks like it's going to be- coming-listen , thank coming up. well, listen, thank you— coming up. well, listen, thank wee ee— coming up. well, listen, thank wew ee meth— coming up. well, listen, thank you so much for— coming up. well, listen, thank you so much for that, leigh in hettewt— you so much for that, leigh in bedford.-miranda- bedford. also, miranda in northamptonshire, david in wehett— northamptonshire, david in wettett .— northamptonshire, david in watford , jackie in saint albans, watford, jackie in saint albans, hght. — watford, jackie in saint albans, hght. emewe.— watford, jackie in saint albans, right. quickly, let's on to right. quickly, let's move on to

a right. quickly, let's move on to e-thet— right. quickly, let's move on to e-thet eewght— right. quickly, let's move on to a-that caught my- right. quickly, let's move on to a that caught my eye. a story that caught my eye. eteemwteh— a story that caught my eye. greenwich council sparked greenwich council has sparked ewtteee—teel outrage with plans to ban ice cream vans for— outrage with plans to ban ice cream vans for than 30 cream vans for more than 30 teete— cream vans for more than 30 teeeewmmett-- cream vans for more than 30 roads-summer .- cream vans for more than 30 roads summer. ice cream roads this summer. ice cream weme-them— roads this summer. ice cream vans their engines running vans keep their engines running even—standstill- vans keep their engines running even _ standstill to i even while at a standstill to eewe— even while at a standstill to eewe thet— even while at a standstill to power. their freezers causing concerns about— power. their freezers causing concerns about the of concerns about the amount of eettwtteh— concerns about the amount of pollution-produce. concerns about the amount of pollution produce . as pollution that they produce. as a pollution that they produce. as e planning— pollution that they produce. as a planning representative has etee— a planning representative has ehe—the- a planning representative has. also—the queues also suggested that the queues for also suggested that the queues tee—wette- also suggested that the queues for—would clutter. for the vehicle would clutter the— for the vehicle would clutter the wewe— for the vehicle would clutter the views of— for the vehicle would clutter the views of heritage sites. tet-e— the views of heritage sites. let's-christine i let's see what christine hemttteh— let's see what christine hamilton and- let's see what christine hamilton and danny kelly make of thet. — hamilton and danny kelly make of thet. .— hamilton and danny kelly make of thet. . mem— hamilton and danny kelly make of that. i mean, pick— hamilton and danny kelly make of that. i mean, pick me— hamilton and danny kelly make of that. i mean, pick me up- hamilton and danny kelly make of that. ’“ ti.

or is it 99? 99? it wow. what or is it 99? 99? 99. wow. what is or is it 99? 99? 99. wow. what te the— or is it 99? 99? 99. wow. what te the teet— or is it 99? 99? 99. wow. what is the last time— or is it 99? 99? 99. wow. what is the last time for— or is it 99? 99? it wow. what is the last time for supplement? swhtew. — is the last time for supplement? swhtew. thte— is the last time for supplement? swhtew. thte te— is the last time for supplement? sunday. this is where the panel ehe— sunday. this is where the panel emt .— sunday. this is where the panel and i discussed— sunday. this is where the panel and i discussed some of the news etetee— and i discussed some of the news etettee thet— and i discussed some of the news stories that caught— and i discussed some of the news stories that caught their eye. joining— joining me, author and broadcaster— joining me, author and- broadcaster- hamilton broadcaster christine hamilton and broadcaster— broadcaster christine hamilton and broadcaster and journalist hemw— and broadcaster and journalist hehhw tettw. — and broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny, we're going to danny kelly. danny, we're going te etett— danny kelly. danny, we're going te etett wtth— danny kelly. danny, we're going to start with you. _ danny kelly. danny, we're going to start with you. this is about danny kelly. danny, we're going tcveryt with you. this is about danny kelly. danny, we're going tcvery expensive this is about danny kelly. danny, we're going tcvery expensive albumt about danny kelly. danny, we're going tcvery expensive album . iout danny kelly. danny, we're going tcvery expensive album . a very expensive album. ever wehtetet— a very expensive album. ever wondered - much - a very expensive album. ever wondered much these stupid wondered how much these stupid rainbow a rainbow crossings are a pedestrian crossings? well, £48,174 was for a series of them somewhere in this capital of ours, london, hounslow . somewhere in this capital of ours, london, hounslow. is somewhere in this capital of ours, london, hounslow . is that ours, london, hounslow. is that near here? is that near here? 50 k so next time. next time you see your council blowing a load of dough, you know how much it costs . k a series of costs. 50 k for a series of rainbow crossings please. now, christine , you're one now. christine, you're one now. well, if that makes you cry, thte— well, if that makes you cry, this should— well, if that makes you cry, this should make you weep. the hhc— this should make you weep. the hhc pett— this should make you weep. the hhc eett tet— this should make you weep. the hhc eett tet hw— this should make you weep. the bbc paid for by us— this should make you weep. the bbc paid for by us the licence payer— bbc paid for by us the licence hewee ee— bbc paid for by us the licence hewee going— bbc paid for by us the licence payer are going to send 1000 eeewe— payer are going to send 1000 eeeete te— payer are going to send 1000 people to cover— payer are going to send 1000 people to cover glastonbury . people to cover glastonbury. theo— people to cover glastonbury. teee eeeete. — people to cover glastonbury. 1000 people. they will have 1000 heewe.— 1000 people. they will have 1000 eeeete. .— 1000 people. they will have 1000 eeeete. t meeh— 1000 people. they will have 1000 people. i mean, glastonbury ten-t— people. i mean, glastonbury teh-t exeettw— people. i mean, glastonbury isn't exactly majority interest, isn't exactly majority interest, te tte— isn't exactly majority interest, te he he— isn't exactly majority interest, te he he th— isn't exactly majority interest, is it? it's in 2009,— isn't exactly majority interest, is it? it's in 2009, they sent

eh. — is it? it's in 2009, they sent eh. se— is it? it's in 2009, they sent eh. he the— is it? it's in 2009, they sent 415. so this is— is it? it's in 2009, they sent 415. so this is more than twice as 415. so this is more than twice ee mehw. — 415. so this is more than twice ee memw. thet— 415. so this is more than twice as many. that was— 415. so this is more than twice as many. that was 22 fewer than the hme— as many. that was 22 fewer than the number they— as many. that was 22 fewer than the number they flew out to the beijing— the number they flew out to the beijing otwmetee— the number they flew out to the beijing otwmetee .— the number they flew out to the beijing olympics . i mean, for beijing olympics. i mean, for eeetheee— beijing olympics. i mean, for goodness sake,— beijing olympics. i mean, for goodness sake, a— beijing olympics. i mean, for goodness sake, a thousand people eewehme— goodness sake, a thousand people covering glastonbury . tit?" covering glastonbury. i can eetwettw— covering glastonbury. i can eetwettw .— covering glastonbury. i can actually i can— covering glastonbury. i can actually i can i— covering glastonbury. i can actually i can i can- covering glastonbury. i can actually i can i can respond to that. the reason is, is that the bbc needs to be relevant to the next future generation of licence it's licence fee payers. no, it's true. it's true for her. that's tet— true. it's true for her. that's he the — true. it's true for her. that's he the meet— it's true for her. that's for the next generation of theme— for the next generation of licence payers. licence fee payers. for her. they— licence fee payers. for her. thew-cere— licence fee payers. for her. they care about middle they don't care about middle aged like us. won't aged people like us. won't be a licence fee. they don't care about us. their licence fees only for 4 or 5 star hotels, four of them have been booked for stay and for the staff to stay and i thought the whole point of glastonbury tent. well, glastonbury was a tent. well, that's should glastonbury was a tent. well, that's-should have.| that's what they should have. amt— that's what they should have. me te— that's what they should have. me he the— that's what they should have. and i'd like to— that's what they should have. and i'd like to see that. and tthettw— and i'd like to see that. and ttmettw ente— and i'd like to see that. and finally onto my— and i'd like to see that. and finally onto my supplement, wetehewe— notorious grifter meghan markle has notorious grifter meghan markle hee—tethe— notorious grifter meghan markle. hee—tewht—te has seemingly found a new way to eeme—h— has seemingly found a new way to earn—her podcast- has seemingly found a new way to earn her podcast was earn money after her podcast was eeheettet.— earn money after her podcast was cancelled. rumour— earn money after her podcast was cancelled. rumour has it she's etett— cancelled. rumour has it she's ehewtleteh— cancelled. rumour has it she's ehewtleteh e— cancelled. rumour has it she's about-sign a deal- cancelled. rumour has it she's about sign a deal with dior. about to sign a deal with dior. yes:— about to sign a deal with dior. wee the— about to sign a deal with dior. yes, the meghan— about to sign a deal with dior. yes, the meghan markle may well be yes, the meghan markle may well he tethe— yes, the meghan markle may well he tethe eeme— yes, the meghan markle may well be doing some dior— yes, the meghan markle may well be doing some dior stuff. what do be doing some dior stuff. what he wee— be doing some dior stuff. what he wee ththt— be doing some dior stuff. what do you think about that? �*vtw�*tix do you think about that? well, heew— do you think about that? well, hehw tht— do you think about that? well, hehw the e— do you think about that? well, harry did a little— do you think about that? well, harry did a little deal modelling at the coronation. did you it within seconds you talk about it within seconds before coronation service

before the coronation service was over, dior were tweeting about. he lovely? about. doesn't he look lovely? well, clip got over a well, your clip got over a mttttem— well, your clip got over a million _that- well, your clip got over a million that didn't thing. million views that didn't thing. i million views that didn't thing. . theweht— million views that didn't thing. . theweht tt— million views that didn't thing. i thought it might too. you i thought it might be too. you thew—t- i thought it might be too. you know—i looked. know that because i looked on twtttet— know that because i looked on twitter _ listen, | twitter it's out there. listen, i twitter it's out there. listen, . hewee-t— twitter it's out there. listen, . tweet-e— twitter it's out there. listen, i haven't a problem with i haven't got a problem with harry and can harry and meghan. and if she can earn 200 grand by saying something online, then good for her. podcast has her. i know that the podcast has failed collapsed and they've failed and collapsed and they've apparently they've give apparently they've got to give a load dough back to netflix. load of dough back to netflix. but i have but look, you know, i don't have anything evil or bad intention to say about them, but all i say is this if i have if somebody has a fragrance and they smell a certain way and they're not very nice people, then to me it's a bit of a stench and i won't be going there. frankly, i think ehe-e— going there. frankly, i think ehe-e-he— going there. frankly, i think she's-be modelling going there. frankly, i think- she's-be modelling the she's going to be modelling the etethee— she's going to be modelling the etethee het— she's going to be modelling the clothes, not the— she's going to be modelling the clothes, not the perfume. �*vtw�*tix clothes, not the perfume. well, i clothes, not the perfume. well, twee-t— clothes, not the perfume. well, tweh-t we— clothes, not the perfume. well, i won't wear that— clothes, not the perfume. �*vtw�*tix twtiti . ti there i won't wear that either. there you that? i won't wear that either. there you _that? right. - i won't wear that either. therei you _that? right. yeah you go. how's that? right. yeah i you go. how's that? right. yeah t—them.- you go. how's that? right. yeah t—them. - i won't be wearing them. allegedly-— i won't be wearing them. i atteaettw—het i won't be wearing them. - allegedly._bad as allegedly. allegedly. as bad as the twitter the tories. our twitter poll eewe— the tories. our twitter poll eewe thw— the tories. our twitter poll eewe thee-eew- the tories. our twitter poll says 79%-say yes. i the tories. our twitter poll. says 79%-say yes. 21% the tories. our twitter poll- says 79%-say yes. 21% of says 79% of you say yes. 21% of you— says 79% of you say yes. 21% of wee eew— says 79% of you say yes. 21% of wee eew — says 79% of you say yes. 21% of wee eew he-wee- says 79% of you say yes. 21% of wee eew me-wee se- says 79% of you say yes. 21% of you say no. you. so much you say no. thank you. so much to you say no. thank you. so much te mw— you say no. thank you. so much to my wonderful— you say no. thank you. so much to my wonderful panels. i've got the teheteee— to my wonderful panels. i've got the fabulous christine hamilton. chhetthe— the fabulous christine hamilton. chhetthe-wee— the fabulous christine hamilton. christine you much. christine thank you so much. atwewe— christine thank you so much. always. pleasure. - christine thank you so much. always pleasure. nana and also always a pleasure. nana and also the—hemw— always a pleasure. nana and also the—hemw tettw- always a pleasure. nana and also the-danny kelly. |- the wonderful danny kelly. i thew— the wonderful danny kelly. i knew rm— the wonderful danny kelly. i knew hm hm— the wonderful danny kelly. i

know i'm i'm off— the wonderful danny kelly. i know i'm i'm off to the pub now. no.— know i'm i'm off to the pub now. we. rm— know i'm i'm off to the pub now. we. t-m etettthe— know i'm i'm off to the pub now. no, i'm stalling for— know i'm i'm off to the pub now. no, i'm stalling for time. thet-e— no, i'm stalling for time. thet-e the— no, i'm stalling for time. that's the only- no, i'm stalling for time. that's the only reason got that's the only reason you got all that's the only reason you got ett thet— that's the only reason you got ett thet .— that's the only reason you got all that . and— that's the only reason you got all that . and a— that's the only reason you got all that . and a huge thank you all that. and a huge thank you to all that. and a huge thank you te wee— all that. and a huge thank you te wee et— all that. and a huge thank you te wee et heme— all that. and a huge thank you to you at home for— all that. and a huge thank you to you at home for your company. it's to you at home for your company. he etwewe— to you at home for your company. he etwewe e— to you at home for your company. it's always a pleasure , as ever. it's always a pleasure, as ever. heew— it's always a pleasure, as ever. teeh rm— it's always a pleasure, as ever. look, i'm looking— it's always a pleasure, as ever. look, i'm looking forward to eeehe— look, i'm looking forward to eeehe-week- look, i'm looking forward to seeing-week at. look, i'm looking forward to seeing-week at same seeing you next week at the same ttme— seeing you next week at the same ttmeletoo.— seeing you next week at the same time .3:00. make— seeing you next week at the same time 3:00. make sure you join time of 3:00. make sure you join me there. — time of 3:00. make sure you join me there. hewe— time of 3:00. make sure you join me there. have a— time of 3:00. make sure you join me there. have a fabulous week. tehe— me there. have a fabulous week. tete eee— me there. have a fabulous week. tete et— me there. have a fabulous week. take care of yourselves. and eeh-t— take care of yourselves. and tem-t teteet— take care of yourselves. and don't forget-nickl don't forget download nick gibb and don't forget download nick gibb ehe-the— don't forget download nick gibb and-this show— don't forget download nick gibb and this show back on and watch this show back on eetehee— and watch this show back on eetehee . — and watch this show back on catchup . hello— and watch this show back on catchup . .“iiti catchup. hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . it provided by the met office. it is an unsettled end to the weekend for many of us all. thanks to an area of low pressure that is centred just to the west of the uk. we do have thunderstorm and rain warnings in many areas. in force across many areas. there could be some torrential downpours of rain, thunderstorms , lightning and hail, possible over the coming few hours. the showers will tend to merge into this longer band of rain through this longer band of rain through this evening and overnight, pushing northwards across northern into scotland, northern england into scotland, potentially 40, 60mm of rain falling in just three hours. really, some surface water

issues are possible, turning dner issues are possible, turning drier to the south of that. but many areas holding up around 16, 15 c. so still quite a humid night , a wet 15 c. so still quite a humid night, a wet start to monday across scotland as this area of rain pushes its way across. still some surface water issues possible on monday morning. dry and brighter start to the new working week elsewhere. but the sunshine will help those showers to develop as we head into the afternoon . again, odd rumble afternoon. again, the odd rumble of possible , of thunder is possible, particularly perhaps across areas ireland. areas of northern ireland. a little sunshine in little bit more sunshine in between those showers tomorrow, though, sunday. though, compared to sunday. temperatures to highs temperatures climbing to highs of 22 to 26 degrees. set celsius as we head into the evening, those showers will gradually fade their way off , taking a bit fade their way off, taking a bit of across northern and of time across northern and western areas. but eventually clear spells developing some isolated mist and fog patches, forming a bit of cloud lingering across the far south—east. that might it again bit of a might make it again a bit of a humid to come here into humid night to come here into the start tuesday. the the start of tuesday. the potential that we again, potential that we see again, another heavy rain another band of very heavy rain pushing its way across southern areas is still some

areas. there is still some uncertainty in regards to the exact details that. so do exact details of that. so do keep date the keep up to date with the forecast . pressure that forecast. low pressure that has been though, is been with us, though, is steadily progressing its way northwards. to northwards. and that's going to allow this area of high pressure to way in a bit more to build its way in a bit more as thursday. so as we head towards thursday. so as we head towards thursday. so a to on thursday a drier day to come on thursday and a little bit less and also a little bit less humid. enjoy your day by.

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