acceptable to identify bannau as a cat . you are. don't you dare a cat. you are. don't you dare mock it, by the way, because i've decided that is now what i am. miaow shall to you . but if am. miaow shall to you. but if you do indeed mock it. careful, because i wouldn't be surprised if it could be considered a hate crime. self—identity where do we draw the line.7 kids at school being told that they must respect it. if this is how their peers seriously want to present themselves? really? what on earth is going on in our schools 7 earth is going on in our schools ? how worried about it should we be? and why are parents not allowed to see the content that children are being taught? very alarming, if you ask me. and while i've been busy licking milk from sources over in westminster, they've been busy debating parties. it's still going on. nervous as yet. should it even be voted on? of course i'm talking about boris johnson. also cats can indeed discuss serious things. mortgage rates

at the highest they have been in years, over 6. now you'll be paying years, over 6. now you'll be paying should the government intervene? i want to talk as well about the expansion of stop and search and also a free speech should there be limits? if so, gets to decide them if so, who gets to decide them and you them, should and if you breach them, should it criminal act that is all it be a criminal act that is all from though. let's our from me, though. let's get our news from polly middlehurst for now. yeah . michelle, thank you. now. yeah. michelle, thank you. well , the top stories this hour. well, the top stories this hour. we..— well, the top stories this hour. we keeping— well, the top stories this hour. we're keeping an— well, the top stories this hour. we're keeping an eye on the house— we're keeping an eye on the house of— we're keeping an eye on the house of commons for you today. they-re— house of commons for you today. they-re in— house of commons for you today. they-re in the— house of commons for you today. they're in the midst— house of commons for you today. they're in the midst of debating that— they're in the midst of debating that report— they're in the midst of debating that report that— they're in the midst of debating that report that found boris johnson— that report that found boris johnson lied— that report that found boris johnson lied over party gain. let-s— johnson lied over party gain. let-s show— johnson lied over party gain. let's show you _ johnson lied over party gain. let's show you live pictures coming— let's show you live pictures coming from— let's show you live pictures coming from the house of commons where— coming from the house of commons where thee— coming from the house of commons where that debate— coming from the house of commons where that debate is— coming from the house of commons where that debate is ongoing. mee— where that debate is ongoing. we ee— where that debate is ongoing. mps are deciding whether or not to sanction— mps are deciding whether or not to sanction boris— mps are deciding whether or not to sanction boris johnson after the hhvtteee— to sanction boris johnson after the privilege committee last week— the privilege committee last week tethe— the privilege committee last week found he _ the privilege committee last week found he repeatedly misled the house— week found he repeatedly misled the house et— week found he repeatedly misled the house of commons. well, in the house of commons. well, in the teet— the house of commons. well, in the test heur— the house of commons. well, in the last hour we— the house of commons. well, in the last hour we heard penny hetteuht— the last hour we heard penny mordaunt out,— the last hour we heard penny mordaunt out, the commons teeter,— mordaunt out, the commons teeter, ety— mordaunt out, the commons leader, say she— mordaunt out, the commons leader, say she would vote in them—

leader, say she would vote in them et— leader, say she would vote in favour of the _ leader, say she would vote in favour of the reports into tehheeh-e— favour of the reports into johnson's conduct. we saw as wett— johnson's conduct. we saw as wet .— johnson's conduct. we saw as wet . tetthe— johnson's conduct. we saw as well . former prime johnson's conduct. we saw as well. former prime minister theteee— well. former prime minister theteee hey— well. former prime minister theresa may praised the httvtteeee— theresa may praised the privileges committee about half an heur— privileges committee about half an hour tee,— privileges committee about half an hour ago, saying she fully supported— an hour ago, saying she fully supported the— an hour ago, saying she fully supported the report. but in the teet— supported the report. but in the test tee— supported the report. but in the last few minutes— supported the report. but in the last few minutes we've seen one tow— last few minutes we've seen one how ht— last few minutes we've seen one tory mp adamant— last few minutes we've seen one tory mp adamant johnson did not hteteet— tory mp adamant johnson did not mislead parliament and in fact ether— mislead parliament and in fact ether ht— mislead parliament and in fact one other mp shouted rubbish as a one other mp shouted rubbish as etehheeh— one other mp shouted rubbish as a johnson supporter blamed the etttetete— a johnson supporter blamed the officials themselves as well. it is officials themselves as well. it he eutte— officials themselves as well. it he eutte e— officials themselves as well. it is quite a lively— officials themselves as well. it is quite a lively debate in the house— is quite a lively debate in the house et— is quite a lively debate in the house of commons today. rishi suhet— house of commons today. rishi sheet at— house of commons today. rishi sunak at number— house of commons today. rishi sunak at number 10, staying out of sunak at number 10, staying out et ht.— sunak at number 10, staying out et tt. hee— sunak at number 10, staying out of it. he's skipping— sunak at number 10, staying out of it. he's skipping the debate heeeuee— of it. he's skipping the debate heeeuee he— of it. he's skipping the debate because he says— of it. he's skipping the debate because he says he doesn't want to httuehee— because he says he doesn't want to influence the— because he says he doesn't want to influence the decision of mps as wet — to influence the decision of mps as wet he— to influence the decision of mps ee wett. he ._ to influence the decision of mps as well. as i said,— to influence the decision of mps as well. as i said, the former tethe— as well. as i said, the former prime minister— as well. as i said, the former prime minister theresa may a ehett— prime minister theresa may a ehett the— prime minister theresa may a ehett the tee— prime minister theresa may a short time ago said the report wette— short time ago said the report weutt he— short time ago said the report weutt he a— short time ago said the report would be a small— short time ago said the report would be a small but important eteh— would be a small but important eteh h— would be a small but important step in restoring— would be a small but important step in restoring people's trust in step in restoring people's trust th hotte— step in restoring people's trust in politics. here's— step in restoring people's trust in politics. here's what she eate— in politics. here's what she eett. the— in politics. here's what she said. the vote— in politics. here's what she said. the vote in- in politics. here's what she said. the vote in favour of the repert— said. the vote in favour of the report et— said. the vote in favour of the report et the— said. the vote in favour of the report of the privileges committee. - report of the privileges committee. c. "g; report of the privileges committee. c. ”92; report of the privileges- committee. i urge all members report of the privileges— committee. i urge all members of this house to do so , to uphold this house to do so, to uphold standards in public life, to show that we all recognise the responsibility that we have to the people we serve, and to help

to restore faith in our parliamentary democracy . well, parliamentary democracy. well, the metropolitan police has confirmed it's now looking into three potential breaches of covid regulations between june 2020 and may 20th, 21, downing street and at chequers. that's after the sunday— street and at chequers. that's after the sunday mirror- e�*t: : that's after the sunday mirror obtained after the sunday mirror obtained evttee— after the sunday mirror obtained a video apparently showing conservative— a video apparently showing conservative staff partying tethe— conservative staff partying thhhg the— conservative staff partying during the pandemic and joking about— during the pandemic and joking about restrictions— during the pandemic and joking about restrictions of lockdown at the— about restrictions of lockdown at the the.— about restrictions of lockdown at the time. rishi— about restrictions of lockdown at the time. rishi sunak once teth— at the time. rishi sunak once again staying— at the time. rishi sunak once again staying out— at the time. rishi sunak once again staying out of this, eeyhg— again staying out of this, eeyhg he— again staying out of this, saying he doesn't want to htettete — saying he doesn't want to interfere in— saying he doesn't want to interfere in matters . well, the interfere in matters. well, the theme— interfere in matters. well, the former prime— interfere in matters. well, the former prime minister david cameron, has— former prime minister david cameron, has been getting hvetvet— cameron, has been getting involved today. _ cameron, has been getting involved today. he told the cowh— involved today. he told the com te— involved today. he told the covid 19 inquiry it had been a heate— covid 19 inquiry it had been a htetete, het— covid 19 inquiry it had been a mistake, not to— covid 19 inquiry it had been a mistake, not to look at tttteteht— mistake, not to look at different types of diseases. when— different types of diseases. when the — different types of diseases. when the u.k._ different types of diseases. when the uk. prepared for when the u.k. prepared for tethe— when the uk. prepared for future pandemics. mr cameron was giving— future pandemics. mr cameron was gtvhg evttehee— future pandemics. mr cameron was giving evidence to— future pandemics. mr cameron was giving evidence to the indian tehteht— giving evidence to the indian pendant inquiry— giving evidence to the indian pendant inquiry into the uk's eephee hte— pendant inquiry into the uk's response into the covid 19 pehtehte — response into the covid 19 pandemic. take— response into the covid 19 pandemic. take a look. so much

the— pandemic. take a look. so much the we— pandemic. take a look. so much the we eheht— pandemic. take a look. so much time we spent on— pandemic. take a look. so much time we spent on a— pandemic. take a look. so much time we spent on a pandemic httuehze— time we spent on a pandemic influenza and— time we spent on a pandemic influenza and that was seen as the eteeteet— influenza and that was seen as the greatest danger. ' t: c the greatest danger. and it het— the greatest danger. and it we've had flus. we've had very bad flu. so it is bad years for flu. so it is a big danger. but why wasn't more time and more questions asked about what turned out to be the pandemic that we faced and i it's very hard to answer why that's the case. and i'm sure this public inquiry is going to spend a lot of time on that well away from the pandemic. let's bnng away from the pandemic. let's bring you up to date- away from the pandemic. let's bring you up to date with- : ti let's bring you up to date with what's hehhehhg— bring you up to date with what's hehhehhg h— bring you up to date with what's hehhehhg th the— bring you up to date with what's happening in the north atlantic. a teet— happening in the north atlantic. a tout the,— happening in the north atlantic. a tour firm, ocean— happening in the north atlantic. a tour firm, ocean gate, has wtthh— a tour firm, ocean gate, has wtthh the— a tour firm, ocean gate, has within the last— a tour firm, ocean gate, has within the last hour confirmed et— within the last hour confirmed et tte— within the last hour confirmed one of its vessels,— within the last hour confirmed one of its vessels, a submersible, we understand, one of its vessels, a— submersible, we understand, and the crew— submersible, we understand, and the ete— submersible, we understand, and the crew are missing in the attehtte — the crew are missing in the atlantic. the— the crew are missing in the atlantic. the us- the crew are missing in the atlantic. the us coastguard tetthe— atlantic. the us coastguard tetthe eh— atlantic. the us coastguard telling gb news just earlier on teeth— telling gb news just earlier on today that— telling gb news just earlier on tetey that e— telling gb news just earlier on today that a submersible taking teuhete— today that a submersible taking teuhete te— today that a submersible taking tourists to the _ today that a submersible taking tourists to the site of the theme— tourists to the site of the titanic famous- tourists to the site of the titanic famous wreck is missing. the— titanic famous wreck is missing. the us— titanic famous wreck is missing. the us heeet— titanic famous wreck is missing. the us based company offers vtette— the us based company offers vtette te— the us based company offers visits to the— the us based company offers visits to the area— the us based company offers visits to the area where the theme— visits to the area where the titanic lies— visits to the area where the titanic lies more- visits to the area where the titanic lies more than 12,000ft hetew— titanic lies more than 12,000ft hetew the— titanic lies more than 12,000ft below the surface— titanic lies more than 12,000ft below the surface of the ocean. hete— below the surface of the ocean. there eh— below the surface of the ocean. there on that— below the surface of the ocean. more on that story— below the surface of the ocean. more on that story as those hteeee— more on that story as those pteeee et— more on that story as those pieces of news— more on that story as those

pieces of news come to us. now, hettee— pieces of news come to us. now, hettee hete— pieces of news come to us. now, police have broken— pieces of news come to us. now, police have broken up an athehteh— police have broken up an albanian gang that allegedly thought— albanian gang that allegedly brought migrants into the uk on emett— brought migrants into the uk on emett teete— brought migrants into the uk on emett heete .— brought migrants into the uk on small boats . three members of small boats. three members of the ethe— small boats. three members of the group— small boats. three members of the crime group were arrested ethy— the crime group were arrested eetty eh— the crime group were arrested eetty on the— the crime group were arrested early on this morning by ettteete— early on this morning by officers from _ early on this morning by officers from the national crime agency— officers from the national crime agehey .— officers from the national crime agehey . h— officers from the national crime agehey . tt yet-te— officers from the national crime agency . if you're watching on agency. if you're watching on tv, agency. if you're watching on w, heu— agency. if you're watching on tv, you eth— agency. if you're watching on tv, you can see— agency. if you're watching on tv, you can see those pictures of tv, you can see those pictures et the— tv, you can see those pictures of the arrests— tv, you can see those pictures of the arrests coming to us from the— of the arrests coming to us from thte morning-— of the arrests coming to us from this morning. gb— of the arrests coming to us from this morning. gb news understands- this morning. gb news understands the group has been charged— understands the group has been charged wtth— understands the group has been charged with giving rides to htehhte— charged with giving rides to htgtehte et— charged with giving rides to migrants at a— charged with giving rides to migrants at a cost of £7,000. a journey— migrants at a cost of £7,000. a journey .— migrants at a cost of £7,000. a journey . the— migrants at a cost of £7,000. a journey . the arrests come as journey. the arrests come as hearty— journey. the arrests come as hearty hooo— journey. the arrests come as nearly 11,000 illegal migrants the— nearly 11,000 illegal migrants cross the channel in small boats ehe— cross the channel in small boats the— cross the channel in small boats since the start— cross the channel in small boats since the start of— cross the channel in small boats since the start of the year. now thehee— since the start of the year. now thehee ew— since the start of the year. now finance news and— since the start of the year. now finance news and mortgage rates in finance news and mortgage rates th the— finance news and mortgage rates th the th— finance news and mortgage rates th the we have— finance news and mortgage rates in the uk have reached a new htgh— in the uk have reached a new high the— in the uk have reached a new htgh thte weer,— in the uk have reached a new high this year, increasing costs for borrowers— high this year, increasing costs for borrowers and— high this year, increasing costs for borrowers and those who want to hw— for borrowers and those who want to hey a— for borrowers and those who want to hwy a hoe— for borrowers and those who want to buy a house. the— for borrowers and those who want to buy a house. the two year thet— to buy a house. the two year ttxet heme— to buy a house. the two year fixed home loan— to buy a house. the two year fixed home loan now stands at teet— fixed home loan now stands at twet ehewt— fixed home loan now stands at twet ehewt e.— fixed home loan now stands at just about 6. and— fixed home loan now stands at just about 6. and this morning the tethe— just about 6. and this morning the prime minister ruled out any extra— the prime minister ruled out any extra government— the prime minister ruled out any extra government assistance for heweehette— extra government assistance for households struggling with pewhehte— households struggling with hewhehte .— households struggling with payments . the home secretary has

payments. the home secretary has been— payments. the home secretary has been wetne— payments. the home secretary has been urging police— payments. the home secretary has been urging police chiefs across theteht— been urging police chiefs across thgteht wetee— been urging police chiefs across england wales today to ramp up thet— england wales today to ramp up theh wee— england wales today to ramp up theh et— england wales today to ramp up their use of stop— england wales today to ramp up their use of stop and search hee— their use of stop and search eewee .— their use of stop and search powers . suella_ their use of stop and search powers . suella braverman saying powers. suella braverman saying ettteete— powers. suella braverman saying ettteete whe — powers. suella braverman saying officers who use— powers. suella braverman saying officers who use the powers have her twtt— officers who use the powers have her twtt eweeett— officers who use the powers have her full support if— officers who use the powers have her full support if they'll prevent— her full support if they'll prevent violence and save more twee— prevent violence and save more the .— prevent violence and save more the . hewewee— prevent violence and save more lives . however, critics of stop lives. however, critics of stop the— lives. however, critics of stop the eeeh— lives. however, critics of stop and search say— lives. however, critics of stop and search say it— and search say it disproportionately targets and search say it— disproportionately targets black and disproportionately targets black the ethhte— disproportionately targets black and ethnic minority communities. the and ethnic minority communities. the heme— and ethnic minority communities. the home office— and ethnic minority communities. the home office has said the. ahe— the home office has said the. the ehe-e— the home office has said the. and she's told— the home office has said the. and she's told the commons today as and she's told the commons today we wett— and she's told the commons today we wett ehe— and she's told the commons today as well she wants— and she's told the commons today as well she wants every eehhwhttw— as well she wants every community in- as well she wants every community in the uk to trust in etee— community in the uk to trust in etee ehe— community in the uk to trust in stop and searches— community in the uk to trust in stop and searches ,_ community in the uk to trust in stop and searches , but added it stop and searches, but added it hwet— stop and searches, but added it hwet he— stop and searches, but added it hwet he e— stop and searches, but added it must be a power— stop and searches, but added it must be a power that's used teeeehethtw— must be a power that's used teeeehethtw. — must be a power that's used responsibly . it's- must be a power that's used responsibly . e responsibly. it's always heartbreaking and distressing to read reports about stabbings and shootings. i'm struck by how often mothers of murdered young black men say that stop and search could have saved their son's lives. we owe it to them to heed their call. the facts are on their side. stop and search works and is a vital tool

in the fight against serious violent crime . suella braverman violent crime. suella braverman . wett— violent crime. suella braverman . wet, teeth,— violent crime. suella braverman . well, lastly, king— , ti.” suella braverman . well, lastly, king charles has attended— . well, lastly, king charles has attended his— . well, lastly, king charles has attended his first— . well, lastly, king charles has attended his first service for the— attended his first service for the ether— attended his first service for the order of— attended his first service for the order of the— attended his first service for the order of the garter as monarch. thousands of people gathered— monarch. thousands of people gathered outside— monarch. thousands of people gathered outside windsor castle tetew— gathered outside windsor castle tetew te— gathered outside windsor castle tetew te eeteh— gathered outside windsor castle today to catch a— gathered outside windsor castle today to catch a glimpse of his heteetw— today to catch a glimpse of his majesty alongside— today to catch a glimpse of his majesty alongside queen camilla at majesty alongside queen camilla et shtht— majesty alongside queen camilla at saint george's— majesty alongside queen camilla at saint george's chapel . the at saint george's chapel. the hhee— at saint george's chapel. the the ehe— at saint george's chapel. the prince and princess of wales the— prince and princess of wales etee h— prince and princess of wales also in attendance today, 800 hwtet— also in attendance today, 800 invited guests— also in attendance today, 800 invited guests s— also in attendance today, 800 invited guests s and one off the hwte— invited guests s and one off the hwte het— invited guests s and one off the invite list was— invited guests s and one off the invite list was the— invited guests s and one off the invite list was the duke of yew. — invite list was the duke of york. despite _ invite list was the duke of york. despite being a member of the ether— york. despite being a member of the ether et— york. despite being a member of the order of the— york. despite being a member of the order of the garter , you're the order of the garter, you're up the order of the garter, you're we te— the order of the garter, you're we te tate— the order of the garter, you're we te tete eh— the order of the garter, you're up to date on tv,— the order of the garter, you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ up to date on tv, online, dab+ teete— up to date on tv, online, dab+ tette ehe— up to date on tv, online, dab+ tette the the— up to date on tv, online, dab+ radio and the tunein app with gb wewe— radio and the tunein app with gb wewe hhteh-e— radio and the tunein app with gb news britain's news . news britain's news. channel thehte— news britain's news. channel thehte tet— news britain's news. channel thanks for that— news britain's news. channel thanks for that ,_ news britain's news. channel thanks for that , polly. �*ftt�*tzge thanks for that, polly. well, hermet— thanks for that, polly. well, normal service— thanks for that, polly. well, normal service has been resumed . i'm back to being called michelle again, so don't worry

you weren't miss gender. me? if you weren't miss gender. me? if you get that one wrong, i'm with you get that one wrong, i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. dominic samuels, the writer and broadcaster and nigel nelson gb news senior political commentator. welcome to gb news senior political commentator . welcome to both of commentator. welcome to both of you. you know the drill as well. take on dewbs& co. it's not just about us. it is very much about you guys at home. what is on your mind tonight? you're your mind tonight? if you're sitting there thinking as michelle got massive michelle got a massive moustache, gone on? moustache, what's gone on? i haven't i've just haven't actually. no. i've just been to of cap been trying to kind of cap myself off. it wasn't as easy as i thought, that i had i thought, given that i only had about minutes it. so about two minutes to do it. so yeah. my appearance. what yeah. excuse my appearance. what can say anyway? views gb can i say anyway? gb views gb news is the email address. news .com is the email address. or you tweet me at gb news. or you can tweet me at gb news. now let's get into politics, shall for the last shall we? because for the last few they've busying few hours they've been busying themselves in westminster. themselves over in westminster. of course , looking at the of course, looking at the outcome of the privileged privilege committee. the report looking boris johnson and looking into boris johnson and what sanctions should be applied to him laughably rarely anyway, given that he's already resigned. apparently theresa may, she's been speaking out, for example . she says this is

for example. she says this is a small but important step in restoring people's trust in politics. acas nigel, i'll pick up with you first. i found this whole thing a little bit of a farce. actually you're all sitting there wasting your your parliamentary time debating about whether or you would about whether or not you would have for have suspended someone for 90 days not even days who's not even there anymore all pointless, anymore. it's all pointless, isn't well no, because it's isn't it? well no, because it's a parliamentary procedure . so a parliamentary procedure. so the whole point is that zteftx so the whole point is that the eehhtttee — the whole point is that the committee didn't actually eweeeht— committee didn't actually suspend boris— committee didn't actually suspend boris johnson for the 90 tewe. — suspend boris johnson for the 90 days. parliament— suspend boris johnson for the 90 days. parliament has to do that. so days. parliament has to do that. se att— days. parliament has to do that. se ah the— days. parliament has to do that. so all the committee can do is hete— so all the committee can do is mete e— so all the committee can do is make a recommend motion. it's already— make a recommend motion. it's already gene.— make a recommend motion. it's already gone. it's— make a recommend motion. it's already gone. it's already gone. but already gone. it's already gone. hwt the— already gone. it's already gone. hwt the eeht— already gone. it's already gone. but the point but— already gone. it's already gone. but the point but there are two. there— but the point but there are two. there-eehte- but the point but there are two. there-points there. - but the point but there are two. there points there. one there are 2—2 points there. one is there are 2—2 points there. one te thet— there are 2—2 points there. one he that the— there are 2—2 points there. one is that the that— there are 2—2 points there. one is that the that mps turn around the— is that the that mps turn around the ewe— is that the that mps turn around ehe eew yep— is that the that mps turn around ehe eew wee .— is that the that mps turn around ehe eew wee , thet— is that the that mps turn around and say, yep , that was a the and say, yep, that was a the teeett— and say, yep, that was a the teeett wee— and say, yep, that was a the report was right— and say, yep, that was a the report was right .- and say, yep, that was a the report was right . the evidence report was right. the evidence thet— report was right. the evidence thet he— report was right. the evidence was that he misled the house. thet-e— was that he misled the house. thet-e the— was that he misled the house. that's the first— was that he misled the house. that's the first stage. second eteee— that's the first stage. second stage obviously— that's the first stage. second stage obviously is the 90 days, whteh— stage obviously is the 90 days, whteh eee-t— stage obviously is the 90 days, which can't happen because he's gene.— which can't happen because he's gene-the— which can't happen because he's gone. .the final— which can't happen because he's gone. the final stage is to gone. and the final stage is to tete— gone. and the final stage is to tete ewee.— gone. and the final stage is to tete ewew. se— gone. and the final stage is to take away. so this— gone. and the final stage is to take away. so this is how parliamentary— take away. so this is how parliamentary about it, by the way,— parliamentary about it, by the wee heewee— parliamentary about it, by the way, because nigel way, because whilst nigel is eeeethe— way, because whilst nigel is speaking, seeing the speaking, you're seeing the screen there. _ speaking, you're seeing the screen there. tzi; “racy screen there. he's hardly a packed house, is it? no. an

awful lot tories have stayed awful lot of tories have stayed away. they'd rather not get thwewet— away. they'd rather not get hwetwet h— away. they'd rather not get involved in.they- they'd rather not get involved in they may not involved in it. they may not ewee-thet-e— involved in it. they may not even-that's not- involved in it. they may not even that's not just the even be. that's not just the tory— even be. that's not just the. tee—theweh. even be. that's not just the- tee—theweh. tory side that's empty though. teet— tory side that's empty though. teetlthet. — tory side that's empty though. look .that. well,— tory side that's empty though. look .that. well, the- tory side that's empty though. well, the labour look at that. well, the labour ette— look at that. well, the labour side-decided— look at that. well, the labour side-decided if- look at that. well, the labour side .decided if the - well, the labour side decided if the tories side have decided if the tories eeht— side have decided if the tories eeht there,— side have decided if the tories aren't there, they— side have decided if the tories aren't there, they won't be there— aren't there, they won't be there either. _ aren't there, they won't be there either. what you mean is thew—te— there either. what you mean is thew—te tweet- there either. what you mean is they—to break into. they don't want to break into thet— they don't want to break into their_ break. - they don't want to break into. their_ break. well, their sunshine. break. well, eetheee— their sunshine. break. well, eetheee-ete— their sunshine. break. well, eetheee-ete eh- their sunshine. well, perhaps are an awful lot perhaps there are an awful lot of perhaps there are an awful lot et them— perhaps there are an awful lot of them -terrace- perhaps there are an awful lot of them terrace enjoying of them on the terrace enjoying the-eet— of them on the terrace enjoying the—ewt there- of them on the terrace enjoying the -out there .the l the sunshine out there in the hewee— the sunshine out there in the hewee et— the sunshine out there in the house of commons. so you think the— house of commons. so you think thtelett— house of commons. so you think thtelett wett— house of commons. so you think this-all well and— house of commons. so you think this all well and good that this is all well and good that it this is all well and good that tt ehewtt— this is all well and good that it should happening? /t:::t. it should be happening? you eteeetee— it should be happening? you eteeetee-he— it should be happening? you disagree-me-i'ml it should be happening? you disagree me i'm saying disagree with me when i'm saying i a complete waste of i think it's a complete waste of time. yes it to happen time. yes it has to happen because is the conclusion of because it is the conclusion of the parliamentary process. dominic agree that dominic yeah, i would agree that tettteheht— dominic yeah, i would agree that parliament-to— dominic yeah, i would agree that parliament-to be— dominic yeah, i would agree that parliament to be seen to be parliament has to be seen to be eetwhe— parliament has to be seen to be eetwhe-eteeeee.- parliament has to be seen to be eetwhe-eteeeee. - carrying out the process. however, - know, - carrying out the process. - however, - know, . regular however, you know, to regular everyday a everyday people it does look a tad performative because i mean most people would want parliament be dedicating parliament to be dedicating its time matters time urgently to the matters that but that face the public. but i think what's quite ironic about this that boris supporting this is that boris supporting media should i say, i've sort of created this idea that this this wave of distress because boris has been so unfairly treated

when really there's only a handful of people that actually support him in the wake of the partygate report being published. and there's not that many people there, i think there is actually, when i look at my inbox a night time, you guys inbox on a night time, you guys are you're not backwards in coming and do coming forwards and you do get in touch. a lot of these people wetehhe— in touch. a lot of these people wetehhe thte— " tit.ti a lot of these people watching this programme, " etiitutf a lot of these people watching this programme, for eeemete— watching this programme, for exemete—htt watching this programme, for. example,_bit of example, would say it's a bit of a example, would say it's a bit of e-hwht.— example, would say it's a bit of e-hwht. thew-ht— example, would say it's a bit of a-hunt. they'll be- example, would say it's a bit of a hunt. they'll be talking a witch hunt. they'll be talking ehewt— a witch hunt. they'll be talking ehewt the— a witch hunt. they'll be talking about the bernard— a witch hunt. they'll be talking about the bernard jenkins ettwetteh— situation and saying, well, eetwettw— situation and saying, well, actually people that are actually if the people that are tethe— actually if the people that are tehe the— actually if the people that are doing the investigation, even thew— doing the investigation, eveni thew—thew they were not doing what they were _ have done, i they were not doing what they- were _ have done, then they were not doing what they wertwhole have done, then they were not doing what they wertwhole thing have done, then they were not doing what they wertwhole thing is 1ave done, then they were not doing what they wertwhole thing is moot. me, then the whole thing is moot. heeteettw— the whole thing is moot. basicallyibut- the whole thing is moot. basically the whole thing is moot.- basicallyibut-point is, is basically but the point is, is that the person in charge of making rules didn't stick to making the rules didn't stick to the of rules. the the letter of the rules. the person in charge of making the rules lied about knowing rules lied about not knowing that were being that the rules were being broken. in reference to the broken. and in reference to the people supporting meant people supporting him, i meant mostly because, know, mostly mps because, you know, we've noise from we've heard so much noise from people rees—mogg people like jacob rees—mogg and others about unfair this is. others about how unfair this is. when most when really probably most conservative mps accept that it'd be embarrassing and harmful to the party not to acknowledge that something wrong. that he's done something wrong. well, there's another leak, i think before weekend think just before the weekend or

maybe weekend. my day maybe over the weekend. my day is blurring _ know- maybe over the weekend. my day is blurring—know if. is blurring one. i don't know if you— is blurring one. i don't know if yew-ht— is blurring one. i don't know if yew-ht et— is blurring one. i don't know if yew-ht et bring— is blurring one. i don't know if you it or bring that up in you saw it or bring that up in eeee-hteeet— you saw it or bring that up in case-missed out- you saw it or bring that up in case .missed out a - you saw it or bring that up in case missed out a little bit case you missed out a little bit of case you missed out a little bit et tet— case you missed out a little bit of dad dancing,— case you missed out a little bit of dad dancing, going on. i will teeehhe— of dad dancing, going on. i will describe this— of dad dancing, going on. i will describe this at— of dad dancing, going on. i will describe this at-of- of dad dancing, going on. i will describe this at of the describe this at one of the eetttee— describe this at one of the parties.ithink_ describe this at one of the parties. think i've that parties. i think i've got that whee— parties. i think i've got that wteelehew— parties. i think i've got that video-show-yep.- parties. i think i've got that video show yep. there video to show you. yep. there you— video to show you. yep. there you he — video to show you. yep. there you 90- the— video to show you. yep. there you 90- thte te— video to show you. yep. there you go. this is when you lot was all you go. this is when you lot was ett ettthe— you go. this is when you lot was ett ettthe et— you go. this is when you lot was all sitting at home— you go. this is when you lot was all sitting at home not seeing yew— all sitting at home not seeing wew tewet— all sitting at home not seeing your loved-being- your loved ones, being absolutely— absolutely terrified, thinking thet—tel absolutely terrified, thinking. thet—te eeeht that you won't be able to spend chhethee— that you won't be able to spend christmas together, etcetera. thte— christmas together, etcetera. thte tet— christmas together, etcetera. this lot were— christmas together, etcetera. this lot were partying like it's 1999.— this lot were partying like it's 1999. overwhelming sense when 1999. my overwhelming sense when i 1999. my overwhelming sense when t eee— 1999. my overwhelming sense when t eew— 1999. my overwhelming sense when t ehw et— 1999. my overwhelming sense when i see any of these— 1999. my overwhelming sense when i see any of these videos is you weeht— i see any of these videos is you weteh-t-et— i see any of these videos is you weren't-of covid- i see any of these videos is you weren't of covid you weren't afraid of covid you tewtttet— weren't afraid of covid you terrified the— weren't afraid of covid you terrified the life out of us at heme— terrified the life out of us at hehe wtth— terrified the life out of us at home with your— terrified the life out of us at home with your 5:00 briefings. hew— home with your 5:00 briefings. vew hete— home with your 5:00 briefings. vew mete we— home with your 5:00 briefings. you made us all— home with your 5:00 briefings. you made us all think was going to you made us all think was going te 90— you made us all think was going te 90 tht— you made us all think was going te 90 tttt ew— you made us all think was going to go kill our grannies. and you we.— to go kill our grannies. and you he the— to go kill our grannies. and you lot, the closest— to go kill our grannies. and you lot, the closest to— to go kill our grannies. and you lot, the closest to the data. in tete— lot, the closest to the data. in tete et— lot, the closest to the data. in lots of cases,— lot, the closest to the data. in lots of cases, you— lot, the closest to the data. in lots of cases, you were not ettett— lots of cases, you were not ettett . — lots of cases, you were not afraid . well,— lots of cases, you were not afraid . well, bear- lots of cases, you were not afraid . �*ftt�*tzge " lots of cases, you were not afraid. �*ftt�*tzge " t: afraid. well, bear in mind, these aren't civil servants. these are conservative party staff. and they are having a party because they'd been on shaun bailey as london mayoral campaign on, which was what the party's about, what the police are now having , having another are now having, having another look at this at the time bear in mind that the police decided

they did look into it, mind that the police decided they did look into it , decided they did look into it, decided there wasn't enough evidence to find anybody there. now have another look at the video and see if they made the right decision. iwill see if they made the right decision. i will say anything to do decision. i will say anything to te wtth— decision. i will say anything to te wtth tte— decision. i will say anything to do with its heart.— decision. i will say anything to do with its heart. _ t:t::;ti. tzzt" i will say anything to do with its heart. “43?" t:t:::t" . do with its heart. yeah, i don't think that this is entirely fair. you know, it's a group of young who weren't in young people who weren't in charge of making the rules. young people who weren't in charge of making the rules . yes, charge of making the rules. yes, they were stuffers . but for this they were stuffers. but for this to be the video that does the rounds, i think, again, it's like skirts thing, responsibility for the people who are actually making the rules. they were just being normal. and also, i feel like it's unfair because shaun bailey bailey was one of the first people to be in the firing line for breaking the covid rules. he took the flak. he resigned from the police and crime commission. he's lords of. yeah. he's going to be lords of. yeah. and this video and then this video is circulating to stop and then this video is circhrom; to stop and then this video is circhrom , to stop and then this video is circhrom , you to stop and then this video is circhrom , you know, to stop and then this video is circhrom , you know, sittingtp him from, you know, sitting there. but i'd like to point out, as someone who knows sean, he doesn't drink he wasn't he doesn't drink and he wasn't there. so you know, even there. so you know, don't even get started. probably true. get me started. probably true. he had left before that. so just so people don't think-

he had left before that. so just so people don't think he- “at: so just so people don't think he was there— so people don't think he was there eettwhe— so people don't think he was there partying with everyone, he went— there partying with everyone, he weeh-t—eeh-t- there partying with everyone, he| wasn't—don't even wasn't even there. i don't even get started on the fact that get me started on the fact that people are getting into the house lords. et cetera. house of lords. et cetera. just basically doing jobs. basically for doing their jobs. i whole thing very i i found that whole thing very i would agree. let's move would agree. anyway let's move on about mortgages. on and talk about mortgages. have one? are you have you got one? are you sitting thinking there's sitting there thinking there's absolutely chance i ever will absolutely no chance i ever will get one? do you sit and despair thinking know, the whole thinking the you know, the whole englishman's home is his castle? is that is just is that something that is just way of reach for well way out of reach for you? well i can tell you, it's got a little bit worse. everybody, sorry to be of bad news be the bearer of bad news because typical year because the typical two year fixed deal now has an fixed mortgage deal now has an interest of more than 6% interest rate of more than 6% for time since for the first time since december, mortgage lenders december, our mortgage lenders have put in their up have been put in their rates up and up up . not have been put in their rates up and up up. not so have been put in their rates up and up up . not so fast for and up and up. not so fast for the savers. okay but notice, have yourself? have you noticed that yourself? anyway there's been lots of calls for government step calls for government to step in and mortgages . and help out with mortgages. nigel, do you think should know? and being is that and reason being is that hetteeeee— and reason being is that heheeeee-e- and reason being is that mortgages a choice that when mortgages are a choice that when the—th- mortgages are a choice that when the—h. tt- the government did step in, it cowh— the government did step in, it was covid, which— the government did step in, it was covid, which no one could be htehet— was covid, which no one could be htehet tet— was covid, which no one could be htehet tee .— was covid, which no one could be blamed for. people— was covid, which no one could be blamed for. people who had to het— blamed for. people who had to hetlee— blamed for. people who had to hetlee eh— blamed for. people who had to had go on furlough , did so

had to go on furlough, did so heewee— had to go on furlough, did so heewee et— had to go on furlough, did so because of the— had to go on furlough, did so because of the because of the tteeeee— because of the because of the tteeeee eh— because of the because of the disease on the— because of the because of the disease on the basis of that, the— disease on the basis of that, the government— disease on the basis of that, the government then paid money into the government then paid money hte thet— the government then paid money hte thet .— the government then paid money hte thet . thew— the government then paid money into that . they upped universal into that. they upped universal ctettt— into that. they upped universal ctettt hw— into that. they upped universal ctettt hw eee— into that. they upped universal credit by £20 a— into that. they upped universal credit by £20 a week. and we've teet— credit by £20 a week. and we've twet eee— credit by £20 a week. and we've twet ew— credit by £20 a week. and we've just seen our energy bills have been— just seen our energy bills have been ewt— just seen our energy bills have been ewt eh— just seen our energy bills have been cut on the— just seen our energy bills have been cut on the basis of the whethe— been cut on the basis of the whethe — been cut on the basis of the ukraine war. again no one's tewtt— ukraine war. again no one's fault. mortgages are a choice . fault. mortgages are a choice. there-e— fault. mortgages are a choice. there-e he— fault. mortgages are a choice. there's no more— fault. mortgages are a choice. there's no more reason why the tax there's no more reason why the tee te— there's no more reason why the tee te eh— there's no more reason why the tax is an essential— there's no more reason why the tax is an essential choice. tee-te— tax is an essential choice. vew-te het— tax is an essential choice. you're not going— tax is an essential choice. you're not going to- tax is an essential choice. you're not going to live- tax is an essential choice. you're not going to live in a cardboard box, are you? i mean, food is a choice, but— cardboard box, are you? i mean, food is a choice, but i- tiftit: : t:::t.7 i mean, food is a choice, but i mean, buying— food is a choice, but i mean, buying eheee— food is a choice, but i mean, buying shares is— food is a choice, but i mean, buying shares is a choice. i wewtt— buying shares is a choice. i mean, would you say that the texeewet— mean, would you say that the taxpayer should— mean, would you say that the taxpayer should pay if i lose a lot taxpayer should pay if i lose a tet et— taxpayer should pay if i lose a tet et hehew— taxpayer should pay if i lose a lot of money on— taxpayer should pay if i lose a lot of money on the stock exeheheee— lot of money on the stock exchange? but— lot of money on the stock exchange? but there was a scheme heew— exchange? but there was a scheme hehw weete— exchange? but there was a scheme many weete eee. — exchange? but there was a scheme many years ago. it; many years ago. myra's. i think that's you pronounce the that's how you pronounce it. the myra's where there was myra's scheme where there was a relief, if you like, on the interest part of people's mortgage. it was gordon brown that went stop that actually went to on stop that. saying it's that. he was saying it's basically middle class basically like a middle class perk. this has been done perk. so this has been done before outside of covid times. yeah, but i mean, that was a tax tweet. — yeah, but i mean, that was a tax tweet. thet— yeah, but i mean, that was a tax tweet. thet-e— yeah, but i mean, that was a tax break. that-a-in- yeah, but i mean, that was a tax break. that-a-in the| break. that was a change in the tax break. that was a change in the tee ewetee— break. that was a change in the tax system. what— break. that was a change in the tax system. what we're talking ehewt— tax system. what we're talking ehewt-te— tax system. what we're talking ehewt-te te— tax system. what we're talking about is do subsidise about here is do we subsidise eeeete— about here is do we subsidise people because— about here is do we subsidise people because their mortgages are

people because their mortgages ewee-— people because their mortgages etee- ahe— people because their mortgages etee- hht the- people because their mortgages are ? and the argument are going up? and the argument i wewtt— are going up? and the argument i wewtt hete— are going up? and the argument i wewtt mete te— are going up? and the argument i would make is that— are going up? and the argument i would make is that that was a ehetee. — would make is that that was a ehetee. t— would make is that that was a choice. i mean,— would make is that that was a choice. i mean, you can't ewhetttee— choice. i mean, you can't subsidise everything when bills go subsidise everything when bills 90 upe— subsidise everything when bills 90 we. ee— subsidise everything when bills 90 we. ee t— subsidise everything when bills 90 we. ee t-meeh- subsidise everything when bills go up, as i mean to be go up, as i don't mean to be twee.— go up, as i don't mean to be twee-ee— go up, as i don't mean to be twee-ee em— go up, as i don't mean to be rude,-as an older- go up, as i don't mean to be rude, as an older person rude, but as an older person thet-e— rude, but as an older person that's probably— rude, but as an older person that's probably been on the hewehe— that's probably been on the housing ladder— that's probably been on the housing ladder for quite a whtte— housing ladder for quite a whee-eet- housing ladder for quite a while,-got-fat| housing ladder for quite a- while,-got-fat chunk while, who's got a big fat chunk of while, who's got a big fat chunk et-h— while, who's got a big fat chunk et-h e— while, who's got a big fat chunk et-h e eteeettw- while, who's got a big fat chunk of in a property that you of equity in a property that you heweht— of equity in a property that you heweht-te— of equity in a property that you bought to nothing? bought for next to nothing? is thet— bought for next to nothing? is thet-weet— bought for next to nothing? is that-your position- bought for next to nothing? is that-your position is- that where your position is coming from? no. i mean, if i heweht— coming from? no. i mean, if i heweht my— coming from? no. i mean, if i heweht my teet— coming from? no. i mean, if i bought my last house- ti.t:::ti�* g 7 no. i mean, if i bought my last house about four yeete— bought my last house about four yeete-mext— bought my last house about four yeete-mext-t-m- years ago, so next year i'm teethe— years ago, so next year i'm teethe et— years ago, so next year i'm looking atlvery- years ago, so next year i'm looking at very high mortgage looking at a very high mortgage heewee— looking at a very high mortgage heeewee-ttwe— looking at a very high mortgage because-five year- looking at a very high mortgage because five year fixed because my five year fixed fixed teet— because my five year fixed fixed teet wtth— because my five year fixed fixed deal will come— because my five year fixed fixed deal will come to— because my five year fixed fixed deal will come to an end. . deal will come to an end. it's up- — deal will come to an end. it's we. eemmte— deal will come to an end. it's up. dominic where— deal will come to an end. it's up. dominic where do stand up. dominic where do you stand on yeah, can't help but on it? i yeah, i can't help but feel like it feels a bit unfair for for younger for especially for younger people would want to get on people that would want to get on the housing ladder. it just seems further— the housing ladder. it just seems further-furtherl seems further and further and twthet— seems further and further and further-reach.- seems further and further and further reach. and in further out of reach. and in terme— further out of reach. and in tetmelyew— further out of reach. and in terms-you know,- terms of, you know, affordability checks , as affordability checks, as i understand— affordability checks, as i understand it— affordability checks, as i understand it from what i've weet.— understand it from what i've weet. theee— understand it from what i've read, those affordability checks wewttm-t— read, those affordability checks wouldn't-even— read, those affordability checks wouldn't even counted what wouldn't have even counted what ewmehtty— wouldn't have even counted what ewmemtty te— wouldn't have even counted what currently is happening now in terme— currently is happening now in tetme et— currently is happening now in tetme et ew— currently is happening now in terms of our economic situation , terms of our economic situation . wtth— terms of our economic situation . wtth emcee— terms of our economic situation , with prices rising— terms of our economic situation , with prices rising across the teeth— , with prices rising across the teeth eme— , with prices rising across the teeth emt h— , with prices rising across the board and in every sort of scenario . so— board and in every sort of scenario . so yeah, so you know , scenario. so yeah, so you know, i scenario. so yeah, so you know, tthht— scenario. so yeah, so you know,

tthht thet— scenario. so yeah, so you know, i think that what— scenario. so yeah, so you know, i think that what is— scenario. so yeah, so you know, i think that what is happening i tee-t— i think that what is happening i tem-t thht— i think that what is happening i don't think is— i think that what is happening i don't think is anyone's fault etthee— don't think is anyone's fault etthet. amt— don't think is anyone's fault either. and i— don't think is anyone's fault either. and i think that instinctively- either. and i think that instinctively i think probably the government should help out heewee— the government should help out heewee whet— the government should help out because what you'll see is as ehe— because what you'll see is as more and more people struggling to pay— more and more people struggling te eey thet— more and more people struggling to pay their bills— more and more people struggling to pay their bills and then they-ht— to pay their bills and then they-tt he— to pay their bills and then they'll be putting less into the emy— they'll be putting less into the emy eme— they'll be putting less into the economy and then it'll create a meter— economy and then it'll create a bigger problem-— economy and then it'll create a bigger etehtem. — economy and then it'll create a bigger problem. i— economy and then it'll create a bigger problem. i mean, you say it's no one's fault. i would lay the blame fairly at the bank of england's i think england's door. actually i think their decisions have been their policy decisions have been absolutely woeful. one absolutely woeful. they had one job. your inflation job. you keep your inflation rate to 2. and i mean , i don't rate to 2. and i mean, i don't even know how you can stay in yourjob as even know how you can stay in your job as top even know how you can stay in yourjob as top management at the bank of england because what's happened has gone way off pace. not just a little pace. we're not just a little bit. we're not just 4. we're 10% there thereabouts, which there or thereabouts, which i think shameful. you're right think is shameful. you're right to the think is shameful. you're right te-the heht— think is shameful. you're right to-the bank of- think is shameful. you're righti to-the bank of england to criticise the bank of england . i to criticise the bank of england .-. thht— to criticise the bank of england .-. thht they— to criticise the bank of england .-i think they they- to criticise the bank of england . i think they they were . i mean, i think they they were very— . i mean, i think they they were very-te— . i mean, i think they they were very-te teet— . i mean, i think they they were very-to deal with- . i mean, i think they they were very to deal with inflation very slow to deal with inflation whee—ehewttl very slow to deal with inflation. when _ should have when they when they should have teme. — when they when they should have teme. -te— when they when they should have teme. -te e— when they when they should have done.-is a global- done. inflation is a global eemem— done. inflation is a global eettem—twetl problem. so it's not just eemethhe— problem. so it's not just something happening something that's happening to us. something that's happening to thet-e— something that's happening to us. that's-real— something that's happening to us. that's real problem is us. that's the real problem is thet— us. that's the real problem is thet the— us. that's the real problem is thet the emy— us. that's the real problem is that the only way— us. that's the real problem is that the only way to get it eewe.— that the only way to get it tewh the — that the only way to get it down, the only— that the only way to get it down, the only weapon we have is to down, the only weapon we have is te ehee— down, the only weapon we have is to raise interest— down, the only weapon we have is to raise interest rates, raise hteteet— to raise interest rates, raisei

hteteet—ee to raise interest rates, raise- hteteet—ee we. interest rates, mortgages go up. so interest rates, mortgages go up. ee-eeee the— interest rates, mortgages go up. so-sense, the bank- interest rates, mortgages go up. so sense, the bank of so in that sense, the bank of theme— so in that sense, the bank of thetemtlmew— so in that sense, the bank of england now very a blunt england is now very a blunt hetewmemt— england is now very a blunt. instrument,_it? instrument, though, isn't it? he— instrument, though, isn't it? tt-e-ttwmt. — instrument, though, isn't it? it's-blunt. what- instrument, though, isn't it? e what about it's a very blunt. what about there— it's a very blunt. what about there te— it's a very blunt. what about there is.other_ it's a very blunt. what about there is.other-of- it's a very blunt. what abouti there is.other-of doing there is no other way of doing he — there is no other way of doing he whet— there is no other way of doing it? what about— there is no other way of doing it? what about you - there is no other way of doing it? what about you have to take money out of the economy? what about windfall taxes— money out of the economy? what about windfall taxes on- money out of the economy? what about windfall taxes on the- about windfall taxes on the hemtee — about windfall taxes on the banks? because- about windfall taxes on the banks? i gag; about windfall taxes on the- banks? because these guys must be money over fist be making money hand over fist because are not. but i because they are not. but i can't help but notice passing decent interest rises on to decent interest rate rises on to savers. like, minimally they might nowhere near might be, but not nowhere near the that they should the rates that they should be. i don't think so. they will be making big profits on making quite big profits on these huge of interest these huge increase of interest rates that can now charge. rates that they can now charge. so people saying, well, so some people are saying, well, windfall tax , take money off windfall tax, take the money off them. i'm always in favour of whttett— them. i'm always in favour of windfall taxes— i'm always in favour of windfall taxes bankers, windfall taxes on rich bankers, but windfall taxes on rich bankers, hwtltem-t— windfall taxes on rich bankers, butldon't think— windfall taxes on rich bankers, but don't think that would but i don't think that would hete— but i don't think that would. hete—etehtem. help the mortgage problem. wett— help the mortgage problem. wet—yew- help the mortgage problem. well,_you could. well, no, because you could create of scheme. so create some kind of scheme. so you the profits the you take the profits off the banks i don't know, you'd banks and i don't know, you'd sit you'd create some kind sit and you'd create some kind of fund where you'd give everyone i don't know. i've not worked out through. but worked it all out through. but you from and you you take it from them and you give the homeowners that give it to the homeowners that are struggling. are currently struggling. sounds are currently struggling. sounds a socialist policy. well, a very socialist policy. well, sometimes out— a very socialist policy. well, sometimes out there,- i i well, sometimes out there, guys tteethe— floating out there, sometimes a my—

floating out there, sometimes a mix-are needed. - floating out there, sometimes a. mix-are needed. there mix of things are needed. there teem-t— mix of things are needed. there teem-t etweye— mix of things are needed. there doesn't always have— mix of things are needed. there doesn't always have to be a label on them. so yeah, and also, wish that before, you also, i wish that before, you know, agreed to the know, everyone agreed to the lockdowns stuff, people lockdowns and stuff, people understood the sort of ramifications that it would have for years to come. i always think did. i say think anyone did. i always say this, and i talk about this, and when i talk about covid, people will say, oh, michelle, shut off your michelle, shut up, get off your covid bandwagon and lives moved on. one about covid and on. no one cares about covid and i'm on. no one cares about covid and t-m .e— on. no one cares about covid and t-m .e etwet— on. no one cares about covid and i'm-a stuck record.— on. no one cares about covid and i'm-a stuck record. me- i'm like a stuck record. me heewee— i'm like a stuck record. me because they— i'm like a stuck record. me because they sit there because they always sit there eme— because they always sit there ehe-het— because they always sit there and-but don't— because they always sit there and but don't you realise, and say, but don't you realise, dem-t— and say, but don't you realise, dent—the- don't you realise that the. reason—so many don't you realise that the- reason_so many of reason that we're in so many of the— reason that we're in so many of the situations— reason that we're in so many of the situations today, whether it's the situations today, whether he memtet— the situations today, whether it's mental health broken it's mental health crises broken whe— it's mental health crises broken whe-retee— it's mental health crises broken nhs rates through the nhs interest rates through the weet.— nhs interest rates through the weet. tee-t— nhs interest rates through the weet. tem-t yew— nhs interest rates through the roof, don't you realise it was as roof, don't you realise it was ee e teeettem— roof, don't you realise it was as a reaction the— roof, don't you realise it was as a reaction the result? i was as a reaction the result? i was e tweet— as a reaction the result? i was a direct result— as a reaction the result? i was a direct result of— as a reaction the result? i was a direct result of government eettey— a direct result of government eettey h— a direct result of government policy in response to covid. thet-e— policy in response to covid. thet-e why— policy in response to covid. thet-e why t— policy in response to covid. that's why i can't have it in t— that's why i can't have it in t eee-t— that's why i can't have it in me. i can't move- that's why i can't have it in me. i can't move on from covid heewee— me. i can't move on from covid heewee ht— me. i can't move on from covid heewee tt te— me. i can't move on from covid because it is the— me. i can't move on from covid because it is the root of so memy— because it is the root of so memy et— because it is the root of so many of today's- because it is the root of so many of today's problems anyway . yew— many of today's problems anyway . yew thewehte— many of today's problems anyway , your thoughts on— many of today's problems anyway , your thoughts on that, please. the— , your thoughts on that, please. the whete— , your thoughts on that, please. the whole partygate thing, do you the whole partygate thing, do yew thht— the whole partygate thing, do you think-what— the whole partygate thing, do you think what police you think it's what police ehewtt— you think it's what police- ehewtt—ttme should be spending their time doing?— should be spending their time tetmee-ehewt- should be spending their time doing? about mortgages doing? and what about mortgages as doing? and what about mortgages ee-ee— doing? and what about mortgages ee-ee-thht— doing? and what about mortgages as-do .think you - doing? and what about mortgages as do think you should as well? do you think you should get as well? do you think you should eet-hetee— as well? do you think you should eet-hetee amt— as well? do you think you should get help? and you're get some help? and if you're temthe—tt-e- renting, do you think it's a ttttte— renting, do you think it's a little-unfair— renting, do you think it's a little unfair that just little bit unfair that just metteeeee— little bit unfair that just mortgages would be help

mortgages would be getting help and mortgages would be getting help emt eemhe— mortgages would be getting help and coming-later— mortgages would be getting help and coming later on in the and coming up later on in the eteetemme.— and coming up later on in the programme te— and coming up later on in the programme, do not go anywhere. it's programme, do not go anywhere. tt-e ett— programme, do not go anywhere. tt-e ett eeme— programme, do not go anywhere. tt-e ett going-you- it's all going on. can you self—identify— self—identify as cats? heeetemtty— self—identify as cats? apparently you're in the apparently if you're in the eeheet— apparently if you're in the school, some— apparently if you're in the school, some of teachers school, some of the teachers thht— school, some of the teachers thht-yee— school, some of the teachers think-yes,-can- school, some of the teachers think yes, can and school, some of the teachers. think-yes,-can and you think that yes, you can and you better— think that yes, you can and you better-n.— think that yes, you can and you better-it. stop- better respect it. stop and seem— better respect it. stop and. search-expanded. is search. it will be expanded. is it search. it will be expanded. is n-is— search. it will be expanded. is n-us n— search. it will be expanded. is it-is it effective- search. it will be expanded. is it-is it effective or-

as i said, this is not just a silver— as i said, this is not just a silver bullet. _ as i said, this is not just a silver bullet. if— as i said, this is not just a silver bullet. if we all plumb our houses slightly differently , au— our houses slightly differently , we're all we're— our houses slightly differently , we're all we're all solved. this— , we're all we're all solved. this is— , we're all we're all solved. this is much— , we're all we're all solved. this is much more. , we're all we're all solved. this is much more . ”h22; this is much more. hello there. h-h — this is much more. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight. lots of you getting in touch about that bofis getting in touch about that boris thing. why are we wasting taxpayer money debating all of this again , says sharon. it's a this again, says sharon. it's a subject that's long gone and nobody cares , says the privilege nobody cares, says the privilege committees is a sanctimonious indulgence by those who hate boris, johnson says it a net. remember for allegra, i do remember actually allegra stratton. wasn't she crying .7 she stratton. wasn't she crying? she had to go . and all she was doing had to go. and all she was doing was talking about having a party, says philip . yes, divided party, says philip. yes, divided you are about whether or not the government should help out on

that property and on your mortgages, whether or not they should get involved to what extent you really are divided. james says no , no, no, no, no. james says no, no, no, no, no. why should we taxpayers pay off other people's mortgages when we have not a hope of getting on the ladder? mike says, i agree with nigel. several people i know say dirk gamble, this is wrong as mortgages are pretty much a gamble these days too. i hear what you're saying anyway, let's talk. stop and search. zahawi suella braverman has been out speaking about police and asking basically to asking them basically to increase the use of stop and search powers to prevent violence and save more lives. this is a big, broad statement aimed at all 43 forces in england and wales. aimed at all 43 forces in england and wales . and she says england and wales. and she says that any officers that do use those had her full those powers had her full support . let's have listen . support. let's have a listen. i'm struck by how often mothers of murdered young black men say that stop and search could have saved their son's lives. we owe it to them to heed— saved their son's lives. we owe it to them to heed their- ” so" c we owe

it to them to heed their call. the — it to them to heed their call. the facts— it to them to heed their call. the facts are— it to them to heed their call. the facts are on— it to them to heed their call. the facts are on their side. shop— the facts are on their side. shop and— the facts are on their side. stop and search- the facts are on their side. stop and search works and is a vhah— stop and search works and is a hat hoot— stop and search works and is a hat hooh h— stop and search works and is a vital tool in the— stop and search works and is a vital tool in the fight against serious violent— vital tool in the fight against serious violent crime . so what's serious violent crime. so what's than — serious violent crime. so what's than ha— serious violent crime. so what's than ha yah— serious violent crime. so what's that? do you agree— serious violent crime. so what's that? �*jo g serious violent crime. so what's that? jo g that? do you agree with them, dominic? not really. that? do you agree with them, dominic? not really . just based dominic? not really. just based upon— dominic? not really. just based upon tatt— dominic? not really. just based upon sat at— dominic? not really. just based upon sort of what— dominic? not really. just based upon sort of what i've- jo“ " to? not really. just based upon sort of what i've read "jot" " to? not really. just based upon sort of what i've read that toots— upon sort of what i've read that taats hta— upon sort of what i've read that looks into how— upon sort of what i've read that looks into how effective stop aha— looks into how effective stop and teach— looks into how effective stop and search is,— looks into how effective stop and search is, you have to actaatty— and search is, you have to actaatty stap— and search is, you have to actually stop and search a very, ach— actually stop and search a very, very targe— actually stop and search a very, very large number— actually stop and search a very, very large number of people in catch— very large number of people in cater to— very large number of people in order to find— very large number of people in order to find contraband. so i catt— order to find contraband. so i cat at— order to find contraband. so i cat at tect— order to find contraband. so i sort of feel like— order to find contraband. so i sort of feel like when it comes to stop— sort of feel like when it comes to stop aha— sort of feel like when it comes to stop and search, it's become the— to stop and search, it's become the a— to stop and search, it's become like a buzzword— to stop and search, it's become like a buzzword because of how catt— like a buzzword because of how cat at— like a buzzword because of how sort of obvious— like a buzzword because of how sort of obvious it— like a buzzword because of how sort of obvious it feels like. yeah— sort of obvious it feels like. vcah ht— sort of obvious it feels like. vcah tt vou— sort of obvious it feels like. yeah, if you want to find a wcachh— yeah, if you want to find a wcacha yah— yeah, if you want to find a wcacha you 90- yeah, if you want to find a weapon, you go to the people that— weapon, you go to the people that ac— weapon, you go to the people that are more— weapon, you go to the people that are more likely to be cathhg— that are more likely to be caththa a— that are more likely to be carrying a weapon or wanting to use a weapon, which is young htact— use a weapon, which is young htact macs-t— use a weapon, which is young black males. but— use a weapon, which is young black males. but i feel like hacct— black males. but i feel like hacct ahch— black males. but i feel like based upon the— black males. but i feel like based upon the evidence , what based upon the evidence, what wcatt— based upon the evidence, what wcatt hc— based upon the evidence, what would be better— based upon the evidence, what would be better is— based upon the evidence, what would be better is a more intelligence— would be better is a more intelligence based approach so that— intelligence based approach so that you-c— intelligence based approach so that you're not— intelligence based approach so that you're not just randomly ctcaaha— that you're not just randomly stopping pewte— that you're not just randomly stopping people say, for example , catcttc— stopping people say, for example , catcttc thc— stopping people say, for example , outside the tube,— stopping people say, for example , outside the tube, because i tect— , outside the tube, because i hat the— , outside the tube, because i hat the ht— , outside the tube, because i feel like it is— , outside the tube, because i feel like it is an— , outside the tube, because i feel like it is an assault on

httvttaat— feel like it is an assault on individual liberty to be tahtchty— individual liberty to be randomly targeted and for really just randomly targeted and for really tact a— randomly targeted and for really tact a hahch— randomly targeted and for really tact a hahch ta— randomly targeted and for really just a hunch to and be humiliated— just a hunch to and be humiliated in front of loads of people-— humiliated in front of loads of people- sc— humiliated in front of loads of people- sc .— humiliated in front of loads of people. so i feel— humiliated in front of loads of people. so i feel like it should be people. so i feel like it should he hac— people. so i feel like it should be more selective— people. so i feel like it should be more selective , be used. and be more selective, be used. and agath— be more selective, be used. and agath ht— be more selective, be used. and agath tt tech— be more selective, be used. and again, it feels like— be more selective, be used. and again, it feels like a bit of a human— again, it feels like a bit of a buzzword to— again, it feels like a bit of a buzzword to sort— again, it feels like a bit of a buzzword to sort of distract tach— buzzword to sort of distract from some of— buzzword to sort of distract from some of the issues, which is from some of the issues, which tc atcc— from some of the issues, which is also mentioned— from some of the issues, which is also mentioned in the state of is also mentioned in the state at hattchg— is also mentioned in the state of policing report,— is also mentioned in the state of policing report, which for , of policing report, which for, for of policing report, which for, tat caamata— of policing report, which for, for example, lack of funding, tact— for example, lack of funding, tact ct— for example, lack of funding, lack of adequate— for example, lack of funding, lack of adequate funding and how ahcaaat— lack of adequate funding and how ahcaaat tahthg— lack of adequate funding and how unequal funding is— lack of adequate funding and how unequal funding is in certain ct— unequal funding is in certain at the— unequal funding is in certain areas of the country . and i areas of the country. and i that— areas of the country. and i that that— areas of the country. and i think that would probably help tacttc— think that would probably help tacttc camc— think that would probably help tackle some more of this stuff hctcat— tackle some more of this stuff hctcat ct— tackle some more of this stuff instead of just— tackle some more of this stuff instead of just blanket statements— instead of just blanket statements like we need to be ctcaahg— statements like we need to be ctcpphg aha— statements like we need to be stopping and searching people, but stopping and searching people, hat-h— stopping and searching people, but-is certainly- stopping and searching people, but-is certainly a- stopping and searching people, but is certainly a sense but there is certainly a sense ahcha— but there is certainly a sense among a— but there is certainly a sense among a tat— but there is certainly a sense among a lot of— but there is certainly a sense among a lot of people that the streets— among a lot of people that the streets to— among a lot of people that the streets do seem— among a lot of people that the streets do seem to— among a lot of people that the streets do seem to be more tahgctcac. — streets do seem to be more dangerous. the- streets do seem to be more dangerous. the amount of, you know, quite vicious, violent knife crime going on in broad daylight days control daylight these days with control options. i don't even know where people from. people buy these things from. they're murderous they're just horrific, murderous contraptions that almost seem like of they're like a badge of honour. they're more violent and vile. this thing is the more kudos you will get among silly little

get among your silly little mates in your gang. but surely that's issue of also where that's an issue of also where these young people are getting these young people are getting these from. usually they these weapons from. usually they are these weapons from. usually they chthc— these weapons from. usually they are online where— these weapons from. usually they are online where they're- usually they are online where they're getting like are online where they're gettingi tttc—hachctcc like zombie knives and machetes . hcthahc— like zombie knives and machetes . perhaps-tact- like zombie knives and machetes . perhaps-look at- like zombie knives and machetes . perhaps look at that . perhaps you could look at that , tact— . perhaps you could look at that , tact at— . perhaps you could look at that , look at-they're_ . perhaps you could look at that , look at they're actually , look at how they're actually gctthg— , look at how they're actually gctthg-h— , look at how they're actually getting-in-first- , look at how they're actually getting in first place. getting them in the first place. i getting them in the first place. t—havha— getting them in the first place. t—havhg hatc- getting them in the first place. i having more visible i agree that having more visible acttcc— i agree that having more visible pcttcc h— i agree that having more visible acttcc ha a— i agree that having more visible acttcc ha a good— i agree that having more visible police is a good thing, but just in police is a good thing, but just th techs— police is a good thing, but just th teams at— police is a good thing, but just in terms of an— police is a good thing, but just in terms of an individual itchy— in terms of an individual liberty standpoint, i just don't tect— liberty standpoint, i just don't feel comfortable— liberty standpoint, i just don't feel comfortable with someone, a pace— feel comfortable with someone, a acttcc ctttcct— feel comfortable with someone, a acttcc ctttcct .— feel comfortable with someone, a police officer , having the power police officer, having the power tact— police officer, having the power tact ta— police officer, having the power just to randomly— police officer, having the power just to randomly stop me. just because— just to randomly stop me. just hccaacc aha— just to randomly stop me. just because and search search me in tacht— because and search search me in that at— because and search search me in that at the— because and search search me in front of the public. _ because and search search me in front of the public. i don't thaw.— front of the public. i don't thaw. — front of the public. i don't thaw. hay.— front of the public. i don't know. hey, you,- front of the public. i don't know. oat front of the public. i don't know. oo front of the public. i don't- know. hey, you, what do you make to it, nigel? well, i'm a bit more relaxed about stop and search on the basis that police are meant to have grounds for suspicion before they carry it out. so it's not just a random thha— out. so it's not just a random thhg. aha— out. so it's not just a random that. that ht— out. so it's not just a random thing. and if they— so it's not just a random thing. and if they are doing that,— thing. and if they are doing that, that-c— thing. and if they are doing that, that's the— thing. and if they are doing that, that's the sort of thing that— that, that's the sort of thing that should— that, that's the sort of thing that should be— that, that's the sort of thing that should be put a stop to. hat— that should be put a stop to. hat cat,— that should be put a stop to. hat cat, tat— that should be put a stop to. but say, for instance, there's a burglary-— but say, for instance, there's a hatatah. h— but say, for instance, there's a burglary. a neighbour tells the acttcc— burglary. a neighbour tells the acttcc that— burglary. a neighbour tells the police that they— burglary. a neighbour tells the police that they saw a slightly tahhy— police that they saw a slightly tahhy gay— police that they saw a slightly tahhy gay h— police that they saw a slightly tahhy gay ha a— police that they saw a slightly tubby guy in a pink shirt and a grey— tubby guy in a pink shirt and a grey catt— tubby guy in a pink shirt and a grey catt hanging—

tubby guy in a pink shirt and a grey suit hanging around the house— grey suit hanging around the house before— grey suit hanging around the house before the intelligence. thch— house before the intelligence. thch .— house before the intelligence. thch . watt— house before the intelligence. then i walk round the corner . i then i walk round the corner. i that— then i walk round the corner. i that thc— then i walk round the corner. i think the police _ then i walk round the corner. i think the police would have tcacchahtc— think the police would have reasonable grounds to actually want— reasonable grounds to actually want to— reasonable grounds to actually want to search— reasonable grounds to actually want to search me for that . so want to search me for that. so htcvttct— want to search me for that. so provided that— want to search me for that. so provided they have they have those— provided they have they have those reasonable grounds adds, that— those reasonable grounds adds, that seems— those reasonable grounds adds, that seems fine. _ those reasonable grounds adds, that seems fine. and to make that— that seems fine. and to make sure that the— that seems fine. and to make sure that the there isn't a tactct— sure that the there isn't a racist element— sure that the there isn't a racist element to it it's incumbent— racist element to it it's incumbent on- racist element to it it's incumbent on police chiefs to actaatty— incumbent on police chiefs to actually check— incumbent on police chiefs to actually check what their ctttcctc— actually check what their officers are _ actually check what their officers are doing. so you can't hatc— officers are doing. so you can't have a— officers are doing. so you can't have a so— officers are doing. so you can't have a so to— officers are doing. so you can't have a 50 to 50— officers are doing. so you can't have a 50 to 50 balance because taut— have a 50 to 50 balance because tcat tthcc— have a 50 to 50 balance because four times more— have a 50 to 50 balance because four times more young black men are four times more young black men hatchet— four times more young black men are murdered than— four times more young black men are murdered than white men. so the hatahcc— are murdered than white men. so the balance can't— are murdered than white men. so the balance can't be that. but it the balance can't be that. but tt ca— the balance can't be that. but tt hc— the balance can't be that. but tt hc ht— the balance can't be that. but it can be if you— the balance can't be that. but it can be if you have one white hattcc— it can be if you have one white police officer— it can be if you have one white police officer who _ it can be if you have one white police officer who only stopped aha— police officer who only stopped and searched— police officer who only stopped and searched black people. i that— and searched black people. i that that— and searched black people. i think that needs— and searched black people. i think that needs to be monitored.— think that needs to be monitored. but only the police ta— monitored. but only the police to that. — monitored. but only the police can do that. yeah.- monitored. but only the police can do that. / monitored. but only the police can do that. you?" can do that. yeah. so so the example you raised, i wouldn't have a problem with because that is using intelligence. it's not looking at someone and thinking, oh, they're wearing an outfit that i think looks a bit suspicious, but they fit certain statistics in my area. so let's just stop and target them. i

think there's a big difference and also in terms of when you look at the statistics in terms of like where where you are. so say, for example , all you're in say, for example, all you're in what like the north—east of england? well, there aren't that many black people and there's a greater chance of someone using a prejudice that they had looking at, you know, national statistics and using that in a way that is racist. i feel like it giving someone so much power to stop and search someone randomly, i think it unnecessary opens the door to that sort of stuff. i think it should be intelligence based and it shouldn't just be random . yeah. shouldn't just be random. yeah. yeah. what do you guys- " yeah. yeah. what do you guys make to tha— yeah. what do you guys make to thtc at— yeah. what do you guys make to thtc at hchn— yeah. what do you guys make to this at home? because there's atwayc— this at home? because there's atwayc cach— this at home? because there's atwayc such a— this at home? because there's always such a push, isn't there, that— always such a push, isn't there, that you— always such a push, isn't there, that you want— always such a push, isn't there, that you want more police presence on the street. i do agree— presence on the street. i do agree wtth— presence on the street. i do agree wtth yah— presence on the street. i do agree with you because seen agree with you because i've seen agree with you because i've seen a-hcchtc— agree with you because i've seen a-hcchtc hc— agree with you because i've seen a people be stopped and a lot of people be stopped and searched— a lot of people be stopped and searched and— a lot of people be stopped and searched and i— a lot of people be stopped and searched and i have often found it searched and i have often found t a— searched and i have often found tt a-htt— searched and i have often found it a bit uncomfortable. it a little bit uncomfortable. thte— it a little bit uncomfortable. tttclth— it a little bit uncomfortable. tttclth aha— it a little bit uncomfortable. like try and avert eyes and like i try and avert my eyes and stutt— like i try and avert my eyes and stun-tact— like i try and avert my eyes and stuff-just feel,- like i try and avert my eyes and stuff-just feel, you. stuff because i just feel, you thaw,— stuff because i just feel, you than—h- stuff because i just feel, you than—h thc| know, you're literally in the httttc— know, you're literally in the middle -street,- know, you're literally in the middle street, in the middle of the street, in the httttc— middle of the street, in the man at— middle of the street, in the middle of everybody. you're ttcathg— middle of everybody. you're treating this— middle of everybody. you're treating this guy like a hatchttat—

treating this guy like a potential criminal there's potential criminal and there's cchcthhg— potential criminal and there's- something—makes something about that that makes me something about that that makes chcahcac-y aha- me just feel so uneasy. and i that,— me just feel so uneasy. and i thhh-yca— me just feel so uneasy. and i thhh-ycaltt- me just feel so uneasy. and i think,-you.it in- me just feel so uneasy. and i think,-you .it in a - me just feel so uneasy. and i think, you it in a way think, can't you do it in a way that— think, can't you do it in a way that .— think, can't you do it in a way that . aah-t— think, can't you do it in a way that i don't know,— think, can't you do it in a way that i don't know, can't you hatc— that i don't know, can't you have the— that i don't know, can't you have the a— that i don't know, can't you have like a screen or, i don't thaw,— have like a screen or, i don't know, somewhere - have like a screen or, i don't know, somewhere where you're at tcact— know, somewhere where you're at tcact-tc— know, somewhere where you're at least-to protect— know, somewhere where you're at least-to protect the - least trying to protect the tightn— least trying to protect the dignity-person- dignity of the person because, you— dignity of the person because, tau—tant- dignity of the person because, you-don't know- dignity of the person because, you-don't know if. dignity of the person because, you don't know if he you know, you don't know if he or you know, you don't know if he cat-hac— you know, you don't know if he ct-hac acac— you know, you don't know if he or has done anything wrong. or she has done anything wrong. you thaw,— or she has done anything wrong. you than-th— or she has done anything wrong. you know,-it's a- or she has done anything wrong. you know,-it's a bit- you know, you're it's a bit tau-c— you know, you're it's a bit you're searching potentially for ccmcthha— you're searching potentially for ccmcthha-at- you're searching potentially for something. at that something. they are at that stage—coatccl something. they are at that cacccata—cc i something. they are at that- stage_course , until stage innocent. of course, until hatch— stage innocent. of course, until proven or found— stage innocent. of course, until proven or found to— stage innocent. of course, until proven or found to be guilty. so stage innocent. of course, until pjustn or found to be guilty. so stage innocent. of course, until pjust think)und to be guilty. so stage innocent. of course, until pjust think if�*id to be guilty. so stage innocent. of course, until pjust think if it to be guilty. so stage innocent. of course, until pjust think if it waste guilty. so stage innocent. of course, until pjust think if it was anyone. so i just think if it was anyone hchg— i just think if it was anyone hchg ctchhct— i just think if it was anyone being stopped and searched, you want— being stopped and searched, you wcatt—htt- being stopped and searched, you would—bitlyour. would want a little bit of your phvacy— would want a little bit of your privacy to— would want a little bit of your privacy ta ta— would want a little bit of your privacy to be respected. and i that— privacy to be respected. and i that they— privacy to be respected. and i think they fail— privacy to be respected. and i think they fail often. you?" think they fail often. yeah, i ththt— think they fail often. yeah, i ththt wa— think they fail often. yeah, i think we all— think they fail often. yeah, i think we all deserve of dignity . and that's not to say that we should allow people to just be criminal, but when it comes to like, say, for example, reacting to videos on the internet, that's clearly someone out in the street waving around a knife or doing something that's very obvious it's obvious, obvious. it's not someone that's just walking down the street or it's very true. what you guys make to the street or it's very true. . what-you guys make to this the street or it's very true. - what-you guys make to this at what do you guys make to this at hchn— what do you guys make to this at hchnlyca— what do you guys make to this at hchnlyca-hcc- what do you guys make to this at home?.you-more of- what do you guys make to this at home? you more of stop home? do you want more of stop aha— home? do you want more of stop and search?— home? do you want more of stop and search? just— home? do you want more of stop and search? just stop and search hatc— and search? just stop and search hate-catch— and search? just stop and search make-safer when- and search? just stop and search make safer when you see make you feel safer when you see a pace— make you feel safer when you see a acttcc htccchcc— make you feel safer when you see a police presence, you see them

that— a police presence, you see them that to— a police presence, you see them that to he— a police presence, you see them trying to be proactive and take acttch— trying to be proactive and take acttch ta— trying to be proactive and take acttch to you— trying to be proactive and take action, do you think? yes, thank you-— action, do you think? yes, thank tau-tect— action, do you think? yes, thank you.-feel slightly- action, do you think? yes, thank you. feel slightly safer you. i do feel slightly safer walking— you. i do feel slightly safer walking-streets- you. i do feel slightly safer walking streets at night. you. i do feel slightly safer waligot streets at night. you. i do feel slightly safer waligot a streets at night. you. i do feel slightly safer waligot a great ets at night. you. i do feel slightly safer waligot a great story: night. you. i do feel slightly safer waligot a great story coming up i've got a great story coming up for i've got a great story coming up tat-gays.— i've got a great story coming up for-guys- .— i've got a great story coming up for-guys- . hatc— i've got a great story coming up for-guys. i have to- i've got a great story coming up for guys. i have to be for you guys. i have to be honest.— for you guys. i have to be honest. .— for you guys. i have to be honest. i find— for you guys. i have to be honest. i find it- for you guys. i have to be honest. i find it absolutely taaghahtc— honest. i find it absolutely laughable. there is a school whac— laughable. there is a school where now a child identifies as a cat.— where now a child identifies as a cat. vac.— where now a child identifies as acat. vcc. ac— where now a child identifies as a cat. yes. as an— where now a child identifies as a cat. yes. as an animal. and a coach— a cat. yes. as an animal. and a coach at— a cat. yes. as an animal. and a ccaatc at the— a cat. yes. as an animal. and a couple of the kids— a cat. yes. as an animal. and a couple of the kids there have tccttct— couple of the kids there have tccttct ta— couple of the kids there have decided to take,— couple of the kids there have decided to take, you know, ill wtth — decided to take, you know, ill wtth thtc— decided to take, you know, ill wtth thtc h— decided to take, you know, ill with this is not— decided to take, you know, ill with this is not normal. they say— with this is not normal. they can tt-c— with this is not normal. they say it's reflective, they say, of say it's reflective, they say, at a— say it's reflective, they say, at a hchtat— say it's reflective, they say, of a mental illness. the teacher hac— of a mental illness. the teacher has hat— of a mental illness. the teacher has had absolutely— of a mental illness. the teacher has had absolutely none of it. there-c— has had absolutely none of it. thctc-c a— has had absolutely none of it. there's a great— has had absolutely none of it. there's a great recording of that.— there's a great recording of that. aha— there's a great recording of that. and personally, i find thtc— that. and personally, i find thtc whate— that. and personally, i find this whole thing so , so this whole thing so, so worrying-— this whole thing so, so worrying. can- this whole thing so, so worrying. can you really meant— worrying. can you really identify as— worrying. can you really identify as a— worrying. can you really identify as a cat? is that what we want— identify as a cat? is that what we want ta— identify as a cat? is that what we want to teach _ identify as a cat? is that what we want to teach our children in the we want to teach our children in thc cchcctn— we want to teach our children in the schools? and— we want to teach our children in the schools? and why is there hat— the schools? and why is there not transparency _ the schools? and why is there not transparency over what exactn— not transparency over what exactly these _ not transparency over what exactly these kids are being taught— exactly these kids are being taught ch— exactly these kids are being taught on these— exactly these kids are being taught on these subjects in the that— taught on these subjects in the that-taut— taught on these subjects in the first your thoughts first place? your thoughts don't go

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hello there. welcome back to hcwhca cc. — hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. g e. dewbs& co. coming up, before the end of the program, the stranger story i think i've ever had and guys, i hear a lot of strange stories in this job. i can tell you in a school, a kid identifying as a cat. and when i say a kid, i don't mean a child girl. i mean an actual child is now saying that they are a cat. laugh it off. you might think, but no, the teacher is taking it seriously. the children have been have to been told that they have to respect it's broadened respect that and it's broadened this huge conversation about what taught in what kids are being taught in schools. it's very schools. i think it's very worrying says you? got worrying what says you? i've got that before the end of that coming up before the end of the stop the programme on stop and search. doug says, michelle, if just knife is taken from a just one knife is taken from a thousand and searches, thousand stop and searches, surely life saved. surely that is one life saved. we must respect that, he says. darren, nothing to darren, if you've got nothing to hide, the problem? well, hide, what's the problem? well, darren, were just darren, if you were just wandering around your business and let's just say i don't know, you're middle aged man you're a white, middle aged man and were stopped and you were stopped and searched because were searched just because you were a white aged man all the white middle aged man all the time. get stopped. time. you might get stopped. i don't a couple of times don't know, a couple of times a month you're and about with month you're out and about with your would you think your kids. would you still think it a problem then? john says

it was a problem then? john says society the society must always support the police. alternative is police. the alternative is anarchy. crime statistics are useful data and instead of it being ignored , they should guide being ignored, they should guide policy , says mark. of policy, says mark. lots of divides on that. and i can hear dominic disagreeing with some of those comments just coming in as well. now i've got a topic and i have to say this will be something that really does divide opinion. and i think a lot of you might be quite offended when you hear what it is that i'm referring to, because you'll be familiar with this case, perhaps a man has today pleaded guilty to wearing what i would personally say is an absolutely disgusting share . an absolutely disgusting share. it's in a very offensive share as well about the hillsborough tragedy disaster. he wore this to the fa cup final. you will have seen this in the news. you'll have been seeing this picture circulating around the guy - picture circulating around the guy . absolute. if you ask me if guy. absolute. if you ask me if the highest order caused a huge amount of offence about an issue that still all these years

later, understandably so hurts and upsets a number of people right across the country. families, of course , lost their families, of course, lost their loved ones will never get them back. and then you've got absolute pillocks like this fella, james white. he was at court today grinning away like the that he is. he's been fined now £1,000. he was banned from attending football matches for years for four years. and he had to pay a costs. i've got to say , nobody will disagree that this is an offensive share . nobody is an offensive share. nobody will disagree that this is in bad taste, offensive to many people, and that he shouldn't have worn it. the guy was wrong . but should it be a crime? yes and the only defence against that— and the only defence against that h— and the only defence against that tc hec— and the only defence against that is free speech. but free speech— that is free speech. but free speech carries— that is free speech. but free speech carries with it a responsible _ speech carries with it a responsible motty and one of those— responsible motty and one of those responsible parties is not to htatec— those responsible parties is not to htatec h— those responsible parties is not to indulge in hate— those responsible parties is not to indulge in hate speech. it is achhc ta— to indulge in hate speech. it is a crime to promote terrorism . a crime to promote terrorism. hhcctatch— a crime to promote terrorism. absolutely right.— a crime to promote terrorism. absolutely right. you don't want to radicalise_ absolutely right. you don't want to radicalise people to become catcttc— to radicalise people to become suicide bombers— to radicalise people to become suicide bombers .— to radicalise people to become suicide bombers . so to radicalise people to become suicide bombers. so in this what— suicide bombers. so in this case, what what- suicide bombers. so in this case, what what this guy was ache— case, what what this guy was

ache that— case, what what this guy was doing that he— case, what what this guy was doing that he could have, apart tach— doing that he could have, apart tram tact— doing that he could have, apart from just upsetting people, he cant— from just upsetting people, he ccatt hatc— from just upsetting people, he could have caused severe unrest . aha— could have caused severe unrest . aha ch— could have caused severe unrest . that ah the— could have caused severe unrest . and on the basis— could have caused severe unrest . and on the basis of that , it . and on the basis of that, it he chcatt— . and on the basis of that, it he should not— . and on the basis of that, it he should not be— . and on the basis of that, it he should not be allowed to do it. he should not be allowed to do tt. vau— he should not be allowed to do it. you cannot— he should not be allowed to do it. you cannot just— he should not be allowed to do it. you cannot just have unlimited— it. you cannot just have unlimited free speech, just cant— unlimited free speech, just cant ta— unlimited free speech, just cannot do that. so you think. absolutely court of law, criminal law, applied to this fella is the right thing criminal record for you for doing that? yes. dominic i think we have to just look at it sort of in simpler terms. he wore a shirt that some— of in simpler terms. he wore a shirt that some people- " he wore a shirt that some people found cttcnchc— shirt that some people found offensive. well,— shirt that some people found offensive. well, most people want— offensive. well, most people wcatt tht— offensive. well, most people would find offensive. when you tact— would find offensive. when you look - context. _ would find offensive. when you look-context. but- would find offensive. when you look context. but it's a look at the context. but it's a chat— look at the context. but it's a chhtlhtchahty— look at the context. but it's a shirt-probably is- look at the context. but it's a shirt probably is an idiot, shirt he probably is an idiot, probably— shirt he probably is an idiot, probably doesn't have a very tactctat— probably doesn't have a very tasteful sense— probably doesn't have a very tasteful sense of— probably doesn't have a very tasteful sense of humour. but at the cha— tasteful sense of humour. but at the cat at— tasteful sense of humour. but at the cat at the— tasteful sense of humour. but at the end of the day,— tasteful sense of humour. but at the end of the day, he wore a chat— the end of the day, he wore a chat aha— the end of the day, he wore a chat and .— the end of the day, he wore a shirt and i don't— the end of the day, he wore a shirt and i don't think it chcatt— shirt and i don't think it chcatt he— shirt and i don't think it should be a— shirt and i don't think it should be a crime to do that. i that— should be a crime to do that. i that what— should be a crime to do that. i think what we— should be a crime to do that. i think what we should be doing is attcwhe— think what we should be doing is attcwhe thc— think what we should be doing is allowing the club— think what we should be doing is allowing the club itself to teach— allowing the club itself to decide who _ allowing the club itself to decide who it— allowing the club itself to decide who it doesn't and does want— decide who it doesn't and does waht hatc— decide who it doesn't and does want inside its— decide who it doesn't and does want inside its establishment, whtch— want inside its establishment, whtch ht— want inside its establishment, whtch tt hac— want inside its establishment, which it has done. it's given hth— which it has done. it's given hhh a— which it has done. it's given him a lifetime— which it has done. it's given him a lifetime ban and that chcatt— him a lifetime ban and that chcatt he— him a lifetime ban and that should be the— him a lifetime ban and that should be the end of it. i mean, catty— should be the end of it. i mean, catty thc— should be the end of it. i mean, really the likelihood of him tethe— really the likelihood of him being that,— really the likelihood of him being fined, you know , for being fined, you know, for cchhttthe— being fined, you know, for committing a—

being fined, you know, for committing a criminal offence is probably— committing a criminal offence is probably tow.— committing a criminal offence is probably tcw. h— committing a criminal offence is probably low. if that didn't go that— probably low. if that didn't go that ch— probably low. if that didn't go viral on social— probably low. if that didn't go viral on social media because tt-c— viral on social media because tt-c tact— viral on social media because tt-c tact hat— viral on social media because it's just not something that acchtc— it's just not something that people wtth— it's just not something that people will the— it's just not something that people will the police prioritise. _ people will the police prioritise. and i think it chcatt— prioritise. and i think it should be— prioritise. and i think it should be left up to the club. i that— should be left up to the club. i that that— should be left up to the club. i think that you— should be left up to the club. i think that you start with things like think that you start with things the thtc. — think that you start with things like this. where— think that you start with things like this. where does it end? it chcatth-t— like this. where does it end? it chcatth-t b..— like this. where does it end? it shouldn't be a— like this. where does it end? it shouldn't be a crime to upset someone or or say— shouldn't be a crime to upset someone or or say or do someone or or say or do cchcthhe— someone or or say or do something offensive. and i'm cath— something offensive. and i'm sorry ht— something offensive. and i'm sorry it doesn't— something offensive. and i'm sorry it doesn't matter what cchtcxt— sorry it doesn't matter what context that— sorry it doesn't matter what context that there's no limit to that. — context that there's no limit to that. so — context that there's no limit to that. so yah— context that there's no limit to that. so you can— context that there's no limit to that. so you can you- context that there's no limit to that. oh?" oh?" that. so you can you can, i don't know, wear a t shirt about, you know, awful , awful about, you know, awful, awful things like the holocaust and stuff like that. in your mind, you think that would be all right? well, it's not okay. i that— right? well, it's not okay. i don't morally— ” 37 well, it's not okay. i don't morally think that that's heht. — don't morally think that that's hght. tht— don't morally think that that's hght. aha tt-c— don't morally think that that's right. and it's not something that— right. and it's not something that .— right. and it's not something that i would— right. and it's not something that i would do.— right. and it's not something that i would do. but i think what— that i would do. but i think what-target- that i would do. but i think what forget about the what people forget about the hcht— what people forget about the point-freedom _ what people forget about the point freedom of speech is point of freedom of speech is tt-c— point of freedom of speech is tt-c atcc— point of freedom of speech is tt-c atcc ta— point of freedom of speech is it's also to allow— point of freedom of speech is it's also to allow the public to be it's also to allow the public to he hec— it's also to allow the public to he tree to— it's also to allow the public to be free to criticise— it's also to allow the public to be free to criticise that and to be free to criticise that and to he ttcc — be free to criticise that and to he tree to — be free to criticise that and to be free to express— be free to criticise that and to be free to express their views as be free to express their views ac wctt. — be free to express their views as well. i don't _ be free to express their views as well. don't think that it as well. i don't think that it chcatt— as well. i don't think that it chcatt he— as well. i don't think that it should be in— as well. i don't think that it should be in the— as well. i don't think that it should be in the hands of the court— should be in the hands of the court because— should be in the hands of the court because some someone wore coui’l because some someone wore a chat— coui’l because some someone wore a that that— coui’l because some someone wore a that that accatc— court because some someone wore a shirt that people didn't like. t-h — a shirt that people didn't like. i'm astonished— a shirt that people didn't like. i'm astonished the— a shirt that people didn't like. i'm astonished the guy- a shirt that people didn't like. i'm astonished the guy didn't get filled to in be honest, but well i am, is it is. it's

well i am, which is it is. it's curious, but at the end- «pfio e it's curious, but at the end of o e it's curious, but at the end of the day— curious, but at the end of the day the— curious, but at the end of the day the chat— curious, but at the end of the day the club should be should have,— day the club should be should have, shouldn't— day the club should be should have, shouldn't have even let hth— have, shouldn't have even let hthlt— have, shouldn't have even let hthlt thhh— have, shouldn't have even let him-i think, or— have, shouldn't have even let him i think, or wherever he him in, i think, or wherever he hc— him in, i think, or wherever he was, he shouldn't— him in, i think, or wherever he was, he shouldn't have been let in. was, he shouldn't have been let th—ct- was, he shouldn't have been let h. —ct ccatccl in. and that's that, of course, i in. and that's that, of course, t-atwayc— in. and that's that, of course, t-atwayc ect- in. and that's that, of course, i always get sonche with i mean, i always get sonche with these— i mean, i always get sonche with thccc—hc— i mean, i always get sonche with thccc—hc pant- i mean, i always get sonche with these—no point froml these things. at no point from dreaming up your idea, going to the and seeing the the printers and seeing the design up by getting design mocked up by it, getting receiving on receiving it, sticking it on your your friends, your back, showing your friends, leaving i am astonished that leaving it. i am astonished that brain cells do not kick in and think yourself, a bad think to yourself, this is a bad idea. this is not my brightest idea. this is not my brightest idea. it is deeply offensive. but dominique's point, nigel, but to dominique's point, nigel, who lines who gets to decide the lines then to decide what is then who gets to decide what is offensive and what is and offensive and what is not, and what should criminalised? what should be criminalised? well, it's well, eventually it's parliament. it's the legal system.— parliament. it's the legal system.-and- parliament. it's the legal- system.-and-parliament system. um, and what parliament has-h— system. um, and what parliament has-h cata— system. um, and what parliament has-is said, look,— system. um, and what parliament has is said, look, there has done is said, look, there are various hate— has done is said, look, there are various hate crimes laws that— are various hate crimes laws that-hatc— are various hate crimes laws that-hate speech- are various hate crimes laws that hate speech which that and hate speech which chcatt— that and hate speech which chcatt he— that and hate speech which should be banned . that's rubber should be banned. that's rubber ctahhct— should be banned. that's rubber ctahpct hy— should be banned. that's rubber stamped by the— should be banned. that's rubber stamped by the united nations . i stamped by the united nations. i ht— stamped by the united nations. i t h— stamped by the united nations. i tt tc they— stamped by the united nations. i mean, it is they guarantee thatch— mean, it is they guarantee ttcctch ct— mean, it is they guarantee freedom of expression . but these freedom of expression. but these are freedom of expression. but these cxcchttchc. — freedom of expression. but these are exceptions. _ freedom of expression. but these are exceptions. �*thjoge freedom of expression. but these are exceptions. e freedom of expression. but these are exceptions. well, it's not freedom of expression. if the certain things, freedom of expression shouldn't be unlimited, wear a shirt. and also it can't unlimited. we

also it can't be unlimited. we can't allow and we do all- e oft" e e. we can't allow and we do all censor catvcctcc att— can't allow and we do all censor ourselves all the— can't allow and we do all censor ourselves all the time. we would in ourselves all the time. we would th that— ourselves all the time. we would he that cace— ourselves all the time. we would in that case, swear— ourselves all the time. we would in that case, swear on this program- — in that case, swear on this program h— in that case, swear on this program. in that- in that case, swear on this program. " program. in that case is the place that he got it from. are they committing a crime as well? should they should they be banned from producing a shirt like should like that? well, they should be banned— like that? well, they should be banned tech — e $17 well, they should be banned from producing a e sf;7 well, they should be banned from producing a shirt hte— banned from producing a shirt the that.— banned from producing a shirt the that. sc— banned from producing a shirt like that. so don't where like that. so i don't know where he—the— like that. so i don't know where he_the actual- he got it. and the actual tetattc— he got it. and the actual details behind- he got it. and the actual details behind that, quite a lot of details behind that, quite a lot ct them— details behind that, quite a lot of them online,— details behind that, quite a lot of them online, actually. i was looking— of them online, actually. i was looking and— of them online, actually. i was looking and there's— of them online, actually. i was looking and there's quite a lot of outlets where buy of outlets where you can buy those which case those tops from, in which case then if the police visited them, they would be in same boat they would be in the same boat as guy. well, you see how as this guy. well, you see how tatt— as this guy. well, you see how tact-h.— as this guy. well, you see how tact-tc. — as this guy. well, you see how tact-tc. vea— as this guy. well, you see how dark-is. you can't- as this guy. well, you see how dark is. you can't make dark that is. you can't make this because we don't like this shirt because we don't like it. don't agree with it. and look, i don't agree with what did, but i just think what he did, but i just think it's a slippery slope. very slippery slope. i think. is there not a slippery slope. i think. is. there not a-somewhere slippery slope. i think. is- there not a-somewhere where there not a line somewhere where you there not a line somewhere where yea-tan— there not a line somewhere where yea-tan cc— there not a line somewhere where yea-tan sc tet— there not a line somewhere where you far? so for instance, you go too far? so for instance, if you go too far? so for instance, tt-a— you go too far? so for instance, tt-a group— you go too far? so for instance, tt-a etcah ct- you go too far? so for instance, if a group of young if you got a group of young hechte— if you got a group of young people around— if you got a group of young people around and you people around you and you ctattet— people around you and you started talking— people around you and you started talking them about started talking to them about weathe— started talking to them about wearing-vests- started talking to them about wearing-vests ,- started talking to them about wearing vests , that is wearing suicide vests, that is taeetch— freedom of speech. is that acceptable?— freedom of speech. is that acceptable? that's not acceptable _ acceptable? that's not- acceptable -you're you're acceptable because you're you're thectty— acceptable because you're you're directly inciting _ acceptable because you're you're directly inciting people to. so there-c— directly inciting people to. so there-c a— directly inciting people to. so there's a line— directly inciting people to. so

there's a line somewhere . there's a line somewhere. there-c— there's a line somewhere. there-c a— there's a line somewhere. there's a line— there's a line somewhere. there's a line somewhere where cheech— there's a line somewhere where cheech tc— there's a line somewhere where caeech tc het— there's a line somewhere where speech is not totally free. there-c— speech is not totally free. there-c a— speech is not totally free. there's a line— speech is not totally free. there's a line that's- speech is not totally free. there's a line that's been long established, though, and that's with intention to do harm. violence against other people. all he did was wear a shirt that said not enough. i mean, you could interpret that in so many ways. the way you ways. the only way that you would interpret as being would interpret it as being about is if about hillsborough is if you knew hillsborough was. if knew what hillsborough was. if he wore that in barcelona somewhere, that was that was hillsborough . i know. but yeah, hillsborough. iknow. but yeah, i'm not saying it wasn't, but if you know anything about you didn't know anything about football and didn't know anything hillsborough, you anything about hillsborough, you would a shirt would just think it was a shirt saying, enough. oh mean, saying, not enough. oh i mean, you again, objective you know, again, it's objective to as your specialist to have sport as your specialist subject mastermind know subject on mastermind to know that i didn't i that that was a i didn't i didn't know that that was i didn't know that that was i didn't know that that was about hillsborough. i just throw it chea— hillsborough. i just throw it open-guys- hillsborough. i just throw it each-eayc at- hillsborough. i just throw it open-guys at home.| hillsborough. i just throw it- open-guys at home. you've open to you guys at home. you've hat—the— open to you guys at home. you've had—the argument. had both sides of the argument there.— had both sides of the argument there-te— had both sides of the argument there-ac yea— had both sides of the argument there. do you stand on it? there. where do you stand on it? of there. where do you stand on it? ch ccace— there. where do you stand on it? of course, everyone— there. where do you stand on it? of course, everyone would agree that—offensive. - that was grossly offensive. i mean,-lacking- mean, you're lacking brain cettc— mean, you're lacking brain cettclyca— mean, you're lacking brain cells,.you-me- mean, you're lacking brain cells,.you-me if- mean, you're lacking brain cells, you me if you cells, if you ask me if you that— cells, if you ask me if you that that— cells, if you ask me if you think that that— cells, if you ask me if you think that that is a good idea. hat— think that that is a good idea. hat cheate— think that that is a good idea. but should it— think that that is a good idea. but should it be— think that that is a good idea. but should it be a crime, i'll threw— but should it be a crime, i'll threw ht— but should it be a crime, i'll threw tt chea— but should it be a crime, i'll throw it open to— but should it be a crime, i'll throw it open to you to have the that—

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hello there. welcome back with me miaow shell— hello there. welcome back with me miaow shell to— hello there. welcome back with me miaow shell to you. keeping you me miaow shell to you. keeping yea company— me miaow shell to you. keeping yea cchhahy tht— me miaow shell to you. keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. htchectte— you company till 7:00 tonight. atchectte che— you company till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, dominic samuels , alongside me, dominic samuels, the hatter— alongside me, dominic samuels, the writer and— alongside me, dominic samuels, the writer and broadcaster, and meet— the writer and broadcaster, and nigel hetcch— the writer and broadcaster, and nigel hetcch .— the writer and broadcaster, and nigel nelson , gb— the writer and broadcaster, and nigel nelson , gb news, senior nigel nelson, gb news, senior hettttcat— nigel nelson, gb news, senior political commentator. now, i've tecttet— political commentator. now, i've tecttet h— political commentator. now, i've decided in the _ political commentator. now, i've decided in the break that i self—identify— decided in the break that i self—identify as a cat. tvehhcty— self—identify as a cat. everybody that is my gender. you can everybody that is my gender. you tact— everybody that is my gender. you can just pronoun— everybody that is my gender. you can just pronoun me as per as chhccet— can just pronoun me as per as caaccet te— can just pronoun me as per as opposed to that's— can just pronoun me as per as opposed to that's not a great hatt- — opposed to that's not a great hatt- .— opposed to that's not a great pair- t accept— opposed to that's not a great pair. i accept that . but pair pair. i accept that. but pair hcteat— pair. i accept that. but pair hcteat ct— pair. i accept that. but pair instead of hair,— pair. i accept that. but pair instead of hair, please. and if you— instead of hair, please. and if you thht— instead of hair, please. and if you think that— instead of hair, please. and if you think that i— instead of hair, please. and if you think that i am barking mad, yea-e— you think that i am barking mad, yea-he att— you think that i am barking mad, ye att then-e— you think that i am barking mad, you're all wrong. because get thtc— you're all wrong. because get thtc heht— you're all wrong. because get thtc heht. h— you're all wrong. because get this right. a teacher. you're all wrong. because get this right. a teacher . yes. this this right. a teacher. yes. this is this right. a teacher. yes. this tc a— this right. a teacher. yes. this tc a hae— this right. a teacher. yes. this tc a hae ctety. — this right. a teacher. yes. this is a true story. do— this right. a teacher. yes. this is a true story. do not worry

aheat— is a true story. do not worry aheat that.— is a true story. do not worry about that. a— is a true story. do not worry about that. a teacher has branched— about that. a teacher has handed a— about that. a teacher has branded a year- about that. a teacher has branded a year eight pupil tecetcahte— branded a year eight pupil despicable after she rejected a ctacchatec— despicable after she rejected a classmates claim _ despicable after she rejected a classmates claim that she ttehthtet— classmates claim that she identified as— classmates claim that she identified as a— classmates claim that she identified as a cat . classmates claim that she identified as a cat. this has at— identified as a cat. this has at heeh— identified as a cat. this has all been recorded and is being very— all been recorded and is being very attety— all been recorded and is being very widely circulated . indeed. very widely circulated. indeed. we very widely circulated. indeed. the chat— very widely circulated. indeed. the chatt etay— very widely circulated. indeed. the chatt etay a— very widely circulated. indeed. we shall play a little bit of it aha— we shall play a little bit of it and .— we shall play a little bit of it and . wtth— we shall play a little bit of it and i will just— we shall play a little bit of it and i will just warn you now, the— and i will just warn you now, the etcec— and i will just warn you now, the voices have— and i will just warn you now, the voices have been distorted to the voices have been distorted te htetect— the voices have been distorted te etetect the— the voices have been distorted to protect the fact— the voices have been distorted to protect the fact that this hte-c— to protect the fact that this kid's identity— to protect the fact that this kid's identity and all the rest of kid's identity and all the rest et n,— kid's identity and all the rest et n, yea— kid's identity and all the rest of it, you know,— kid's identity and all the rest of it, you know, the rules go tat— of it, you know, the rules go t-tt teat— of it, you know, the rules go on. i'll tell you— of it, you know, the rules go on. i'll tell you ,- of it, you know, the rules go on. ll h2; of it, you know, the rules go on. ll on. i'll tell you, you're just really upset. someone saying things like, should be in an asylum. i say that. what should they say? if they want to identify how something, then they're like genuinely unwell and they've gone. yeah, crazy . and they've gone. yeah, crazy. you kristian niemietz their identity, i suppose the question i was just saying about the gendenl i was just saying about the gender, i haven't said anything about them. this obe there's only two genders i know if you're talking about the fact that cis gender is the norm, that cis gender is the norm, that you identify with the genden that you identify with the gender, that with the sexual organs that you're born with, your weird that's basically what

you're saying. yeah. which is really despicable. well, well , really despicable. well, well, well done. if you could decipher hect— well done. if you could decipher chect et— well done. if you could decipher chect et that. — well done. if you could decipher most of that. but— well done. if you could decipher most of that. but the— : if you could decipher most of that. but the point of it most of that. but the point of t wac— most of that. but the point of t che— most of that. but the point of it was she was— most of that. but the point of it was she was being called tecetcahte— it was she was being called despicable. she— it was she was being called despicable. she was told that che—the- despicable. she was told that she _the opinioni despicable. she was told that| she _the opinion . despicable. she was told that- she _the opinion . and she cannot have the opinion. and so she cannot have the opinion. and ce the— she cannot have the opinion. and ce the chat— she cannot have the opinion. and so the child was— she cannot have the opinion. and so the child was saying that her eehteh— so the child was saying that her ehhteh tc— so the child was saying that her opinion is that— so the child was saying that her opinion is that you— so the child was saying that her opinion is that you can't change yeah— opinion is that you can't change yeah eehtea — opinion is that you can't change yeah gender- the— opinion is that you can't change your gender. the teacher and i wtth— your gender. the teacher and i wttt chate— your gender. the teacher and i wttt mate a— your gender. the teacher and i will make a direct— your gender. the teacher and i will make a direct quote said that— will make a direct quote said that h— will make a direct quote said that tc het— will make a direct quote said that is not an— will make a direct quote said that is not an opinion that we expec— that is not an opinion that we exhecc h— that is not an opinion that we express in this— that is not an opinion that we express in this school. and if you— express in this school. and if yea-the— express in this school. and if yea-the n,— express in this school. and if you-like it, you- express in this school. and if you like it, you need to you don't like it, you need to go you don't like it, you need to 90 te— you don't like it, you need to 90 te a— you don't like it, you need to go to a different— you don't like it, you need to go to a different school. now, hehhtc— go to a different school. now, hehhtc .— go to a different school. now, hehhtc . ac— go to a different school. now, dominic, i as much as i'm being cttty— dominic, i as much as i'm being cttty wtth— dominic, i as much as i'm being cttty wtth hy— dominic, i as much as i'm being silly with my fancy— dominic, i as much as i'm being silly with my fancy dress, this is silly with my fancy dress, this tc a— silly with my fancy dress, this is a-serious_ silly with my fancy dress, this is a-serious story,- silly with my fancy dress, this is a serious story, see, is a very serious story, see, hecaae— is a very serious story, see, hecaae .— is a very serious story, see, because i mean,- is a very serious story, see, because i mean, what is going on in because i mean, what is going on th thtc— because i mean, what is going on th thtc wette— because i mean, what is going on in this world when— because i mean, what is going on in this world when children can say in this world when children can cay that— in this world when children can cay that theyhe — in this world when children can say that they're cats and be taken— say that they're cats and be taken seriously— say that they're cats and be taken seriously at school? txactty— taken seriously at school? txactty .— taken seriously at school? txactty . aha— taken seriously at school? exactly . and i'm- taken seriously at school? exactly . and i'm afraid that exactly. and i'm afraid that teacher is just one of the many examples we're seeing of teachers , educators, people that teachers, educators, people that are trust id with our children's understanding of this world, their readiness to actually explore all different points of view. when teachers are actively, very aggressively shouting that down in quite an

emotionally unstable way. i think i don't know whether or not the issue was very personal to that teacher in particular, but the way she dealt with it was completely unprofessional . was completely unprofessional. and to say that if you express these views that she really is decided is unacceptable. i'm not sure she speaks for the whole entire school. if you don't like it, find another school. she is an example of how polarised this debate has actually become, where anyone expresses, you where anyone who expresses, you know pretty much scientifically know, pretty much scientifically sound view that there are only two genders and that identifies yourself with a cat is , you yourself with a cat is, you know, really it doesn't make any sense at does it? you get sense at all, does it? you get shouted down and called a homophobe . she's linked it. she homophobe. she's linked it. she did. she said she was was did. she said she was she was cayha— did. she said she was she was cayhe why— did. she said she was she was sayinga why-you— o o she said she was she was saying, why you think this is saying, why do you think this is the thect— saying, why do you think this is the direct-why- saying, why do you think this is the direct-why do- saying, why do you think this is the direct why do you the direct quote? why do you that— the direct quote? why do you that-have— the direct quote? why do you think-have so— the direct quote? why do you think have so many problems think we have so many problems in_homophobia?i in the world with homophobia? hew— in the world with homophobia? heat—thte- in the world with homophobia? now little graphic, now look at this little graphic, everyone. some— now look at this little graphic, everyone. some people would say that— everyone. some people would say that there-c— everyone. some people would say that there's about— everyone. some people would say that there's about odd that there's about 70 odd eeatetc— that there's about 70 odd genders. this— that there's about 70 odd genders. this one describes 18. on,— genders. this one describes 18. ch thtc— genders. this one describes 18. ch thtc wac— genders. this one describes 18. oh, this was an— genders. this one describes 18. oh, this was an nhs questionnaire thing that was actha— questionnaire thing that was acthe yea— questionnaire thing that was acthe yea te— questionnaire thing that was asking you to identify with all of asking you to identify with all et thece —

asking you to identify with all of these different genders . of these different genders. whtch— of these different genders. athtch ee— of these different genders. which one are— of these different genders. which one are you? this is hehtetc— which one are you? this is hehtetc .— which one are you? this is bonkers , isn't— which one are you? this is bonkers , isn't it, nigel? well, bonkers, isn't it, nigel? well, i bonkers, isn't it, nigel? well, . me...— bonkers, isn't it, nigel? well, . the— bonkers, isn't it, nigel? well, i mean, the teacher the teacher was unnecessarily— i mean, the teacher the teacher was unnecessarily aggressive on this was unnecessarily aggressive on thtc ehe— was unnecessarily aggressive on thtc — was unnecessarily aggressive on thtc .— was unnecessarily aggressive on this one. i thought— was unnecessarily aggressive on this one. 3 os this one. i thought the kids were actually fighting back quite admirably. and where the teacher should have gone with this conversation is , you this conversation is, no, you can't, can't identify as a can't, you can't identify as a cat an aardvark or a cat or an aardvark or a chihuahua or something like that . you cannot identify as a different species, but you think you can change a gender. but i do think you can change your gender and so that is enshrined in british law for most purposes. so so you think so for exampte— purposes. so so you think so for examplec .— purposes. so so you think so for example, i could— so you think so for example, i could decide i'd that i. example, i could decide i'd that .. se— example, i could decide i'd that .. se yee— example, i could decide i'd that i. so you're saying— example, i could decide i'd that i. so you're saying a cat is me tathe— i. so you're saying a cat is me tathe ht— i. so you're saying a cat is me tathe tt tee— i. so you're saying a cat is me taking it too far— i. so you're saying a cat is me taking it too far but i is a thteteht— taking it too far but i is a different species, so it would be ridiculous— different species, so it would be ridiculous as— different species, so it would be ridiculous as long as any thah— be ridiculous as long as any more than you— be ridiculous as long as any more than you a— be ridiculous as long as any more than you a pillar box or cemethhe— more than you a pillar box or something could— more than you a pillar box or something could identify me. as tene— something could identify me. as tehe ac— something could identify me. as tehe ac tt-c— something could identify me. as long ac tn the— something could identify me. as long as it's the same species yee— long as it's the same species you're comfortable that i could ttehthy— you're comfortable that i could htehthy ac— you're comfortable that i could identify as that. _ you're comfortable that i could identify as that. so i could htehthy— identify as that. so i could htehthy ac— identify as that. so i could identify as man? yes, you can identify as a man? yes, you can htehthy— identify as a man? yes, you can identify-black— identify as a man? yes, you can identify-black-thenj identify as a man? yes, you can. identify-black-then it identify as a black man. then it acts— identify as a black man. then it gets mete— identify as a black man. then it gets more complicated because transgender is something that is a personal necessity if you're

trying to change your race, you that that is a choice and it also affects another community. well, do you do you not think that— well, do you do you not think that thtc— well, do you do you not think that this whole— well, do you do you not think that this whole transgender thhe— that this whole transgender thing affects— that this whole transgender thing affects another community, hen-that— thing affects another community, men -that there - thing affects another community, men-that there can- thing affects another community, men that there can be men saying that there can be he— men saying that there can be women? do you— men saying that there can be women? do you not think that the cehhahtty— women? do you not think that the cehhahtty et— women? do you not think that the community of women are affected by community of women are affected bv_ - community of women are affected hy— aha- by that? well, they are. and that-c— by that? well, they are. and that's -where - by that? well, they are. and that's -where we - by that? well, they are. and that's where we talk that's that's where we talk about women's spaces. if you about women's spaces. but if you under a woman can have under the law, a woman can have a penis . i under the law, a woman can have a penis. i mean, the question then is whether or not that that woman should be able to use women only spaces. i think not, by the way, but the only the only difference under the law is you don't send a trans woman with male genitalia into a into a women's prison. firstly, just hecaac— a women's prison. firstly, just because something— a women's prison. firstly, just because something is- " so“ firstly, just because something is law doesn't that— because something is law doesn't that ht— because something is law doesn't mean that it makes— because something is law doesn't mean that it makes sense. so that— mean that it makes sense. so that tt-c— mean that it makes sense. so that it's right.— mean that it makes sense. so that it's right. and you know, if that it's right. and you know, h cemethhe— that it's right. and you know, if something is— that it's right. and you know, if something is not right just hecaae— if something is not right just hecaae tt-c— if something is not right just because it's law— if something is not right just because it's law that doesn't yea— because it's law that doesn't mean you have— because it's law that doesn't mean you have to follow it. it's my peacehat— mean you have to follow it. it's my peacehat-we- mean you have to follow it. it's my personal we have to my personal view. we have to tetteh— my personal view. we have to tench—yea- my personal view. we have toi follow—you don't follow the law. well, you don't have— follow the law. well, you don't have-the— follow the law. well, you don't have -the law- follow the law. well, you don't have-the law if- follow the law. well, you don't have the law if it's have to follow the law if it's het— have to follow the law if it's het hem.— have to follow the law if it's not right.-that's- have to follow the law if it's not right. that's how people not right. and that's how people attect— not right. and that's how people attect-hat— not right. and that's how people attect-hat eh— not right. and that's how people affect-but on on- not right. and that's how people affect but on on that, affect change. but on on that, the— affect change. but on on that, the hecac— affect change. but on on that, the teetc hc— affect change. but on on that, the logic is-same.- affect change. but on on that, the logic is same. it the logic is the same. it teech-t— the logic is the same. it doesn't matter- the logic is the same. it doesn't matter if you're

ttehthyhg— doesn't matter if you're identifying as a different race orlyou're_ identifying as a different race or you're identifying or if you're identifying as a thteteht— or if you're identifying as a different species , because the different species, because the whete— different species, because the whete heht— different species, because the whole point of— different species, because the whole point of being transgender and whole point of being transgender amt haxha— whole point of being transgender and having gender dysphoria is the mea— and having gender dysphoria is the idea that— and having gender dysphoria is the idea that you— and having gender dysphoria is the idea that you were placed in the idea that you were placed in the them— the idea that you were placed in the wrong hety— the idea that you were placed in the wrong body and you identify hamaa— the wrong body and you identify hamaa wtth— the wrong body and you identify bannau with with— the wrong body and you identify bannau with with another gender. so bannau with with another gender. se ache— bannau with with another gender. se ache that— bannau with with another gender. so using that logic— bannau with with another gender. so using that logic , you can so using that logic, you can teet— so using that logic, you can teet the— so using that logic, you can feel like you— so using that logic, you can feel like you were born into the thema— feel like you were born into the wrong race because that's a hteteetcat— wrong race because that's a biological thing— wrong race because that's a biological thing . you can feel biological thing. you can feel as biological thing. you can feel ac theaeh— biological thing. you can feel ac theaeh me— biological thing. you can feel as though me not being white is matehatty— as though me not being white is materially affecting my life and my mehtat— materially affecting my life and my mental health. same with thteteht— my mental health. same with different species— my mental health. same with different species . i mean, it's different species. i mean, it's het— different species. i mean, it's het ehthety— different species. i mean, it's not entirely uncommon for people to not entirely uncommon for people te ttehttty— not entirely uncommon for people to identify with _ not entirely uncommon for people to identify with with animals amt— to identify with with animals and wannabe— to identify with with animals and wannabe animals. i mean, ehthe— and wannabe animals. i mean, ehthe yea— and wannabe animals. i mean, ehthe yea ca— and wannabe animals. i mean, online you can find where people can online you can find where people actaatty— online you can find where people can actually pretend to be dogs amt— can actually pretend to be dogs amt txec— can actually pretend to be dogs and foxes, but— can actually pretend to be dogs and foxes, but they can't be a dog— and foxes, but they can't be a tee et— and foxes, but they can't be a tee et a— and foxes, but they can't be a dog et a tex. — and foxes, but they can't be a dog or a fox. but— and foxes, but they can't be a dog or a fox. but they believe it dog or a fox. but they believe t h— dog or a fox. but they believe tt th theh— dog or a fox. but they believe it in their mind. _ dog or a fox. but they believe it in their mind. 2»; o. it in their mind. so the logic, the logic is, is the same. it is, you know, i worry about this because it's all well and good to be a little bit flippant about it, but to me there is a real safeguard issue here. so

you've got companies, "oas; ; "oro; so you've got companies, external cemeamec— you've got companies, external companies that— you've got companies, external companies that are going into ccheetc— companies that are going into schools-this— companies that are going into schools this country, schools in this country, parents are schools in this country, parents ate—te— schools in this country, parents ate—te-whatl schools in this country, parents ate—te-what tti are not allowed to see what it is, are not allowed to see what it tc the— are not allowed to see what it is, the material— are not allowed to see what it is, the material that these chttheh— is, the material that these children are— is, the material that these children are receiving . a parent children are receiving. a parent going— children are receiving. a parent was going through tribunal was going through a tribunal tecehtty— recently and was again, she tattet—te- recently and was again, she| failed—to see failed at a challenge to see thtc— failed at a challenge to see this material— failed at a challenge to see this material because what they cayhe— this material because what they cayhe hc— this material because what they were saying is showing it, chewhe— were saying is showing it, showing material were saying is showing it, showing-material kids showing this material that kids are showing this material that kids ate—heate- showing this material that kids are—would breach| are being taught would breach the confidentiality that they have — the confidentiality that they have letace — the confidentiality that they have place with these schools have in place with these schools amt— have in place with these schools amt-theta— have in place with these schools and -their ability- have in place with these schools and-their ability to- and reduce their ability to commercialise— and reduce their ability to commercialise their proposition . if commercialise their proposition . h the— commercialise their proposition . if the material— commercialise their proposition . if the material was in the eahttc— . if the material was in the public domain,— . if the material was in the public domain, they couldn't be atte— public domain, they couldn't be ahte te— public domain, they couldn't be able to monetise_ public domain, they couldn't be able to monetise it. this is so hehyhe— able to monetise it. this is so hehyhg aht— able to monetise it. this is so hehyht amt .— able to monetise it. this is so worrying and i think actually hatehtc— worrying and i think actually eatehtc te— worrying and i think actually parents do need— worrying and i think actually parents do need to put stand up to parents do need to put stand up te-hach— parents do need to put stand up te-hach tact— parents do need to put stand up to push back against it to this push back against it hecaae— to this push back against it because children, they shouldn't because children, they shouldn't he-yea— because children, they shouldn't he-yea camet— because children, they shouldn't be-you cannot say- because children, they shouldn't be you cannot say that be told you cannot say that thece-c— be told you cannot say that thece-c the — be told you cannot say that there's two genders. you have to rechect— there's two genders. you have to teceect eeetye— there's two genders. you have to respect everyone for whatever it is , respect everyone for whatever it tc , whatever.— respect everyone for whatever it is , whatever. actually is, whatever. but yet actually whea— is, whatever. but yet actually when someone— is, whatever. but yet actually when someone feels that two tehtetc— when someone feels that two tehtetc hc— when someone feels that two tehtetc tc a— when someone feels that two genders is a real— when someone feels that two genders is a real thing, as is htetettcat— genders is a real thing, as is biological sex,— genders is a real thing, as is biological sex, one, you biological sex, that one, you tea-t— biological sex, that one, you teat-te— biological sex, that one, you don't-to respect- biological sex, that one, you. don't-to respect-one. don't have to respect that one. that-c— don't have to respect that one. that-c-a— don't have to respect that one. that's - a totally - that's just a totally different hatt— that's just a totally different hath-yeah.- that's just a totally different ball-yeah, but- that's just a totally differentj ball-yeah, but that's that's just a totally different- ball-yeah, but that's the ball game. yeah, but that's the kind of debate that you should have schools. and so have in the schools. and so i can see reason why teachers can see no reason why teachers shouldn't talk about transgender issues schools and the issues in schools and the

government with government are coming out with some guidance that you're talking there about what talking about. there about what would be appropriate. both by age and the material that is actually being given to kids. but the thing is, it seems as theath— but the thing is, it seems as theaeh thece— but the thing is, it seems as though these charities and these cemeamec— though these charities and these cemaheec ae— though these charities and these companies are all— though these charities and these companies are all trying to eateettetm — companies are all trying to outperform each other with how hctache— outperform each other with how inclusive and _ outperform each other with how inclusive and in—depth that they can inclusive and in—depth that they he,— inclusive and in—depth that they he, hhtch— inclusive and in—depth that they can be, which is— inclusive and in—depth that they can be, which is what is leading to can be, which is what is leading te thece— can be, which is what is leading to these depher_ can be, which is what is leading to these depher. _ can be, which is what is leading to these depher. ' o ”oases to these depher. and really, i think quite indoctrinating ideas about gender and really presenting them as fact. i think it's sort of a fever pitch where they all just want to outperform each other. but i think parents should definitely have more of a say because at the end of the day, it's them that should be in charge of their children's education. i don't think it should be a random teacher with ideological views who pushes that onto onto vulnerable kids . that onto onto vulnerable kids. sunak changes that you're tetehht— sunak changes that you're referring to. _ sunak changes that you're referring to. some people are cayht— referring to. some people are cayhe they-te— referring to. some people are saying they're reminiscent of sectteh— saying they're reminiscent of section-we'll- saying they're reminiscent of section-we'll all. section 28, which we'll all remember that— section 28, which we'll all remember that banned the etemetteh— remember that banned the promotion of— remember that banned the promotion of homosexuality anyway,— promotion of homosexuality anyway-the- promotion of homosexuality anyway, the things that promotion of homosexuality anyv saying the things that promotion of homosexuality anyv saying , the things that promotion of homosexuality anyv saying , which e things that promotion of homosexuality anyv saying , which soundjs that promotion of homosexuality anyv saying , which sound like at he's saying, which sound like.

common—teachers common sense to me. teachers mact— common sense to me. teachers mact teth— common sense to me. teachers must tell parents— common sense to me. teachers must tell parents that their chttt— must tell parents that their chttt hc— must tell parents that their child is questioning their gentee— child is questioning their center-inex- child is questioning their gender. new preferred gender. no new preferred pronouns until the parents consent. the— pronouns until the parents consent. the kids and the teachetc— consent. the kids and the teachers do— consent. the kids and the teachers do not- consent. the kids and the teachers do not have to respect the chceh— teachers do not have to respect the chosen pronouns for the panic.— the chosen pronouns for the aaettc. yeatt— the chosen pronouns for the pupils. would you would you kind of pupils. would you would you kind et agree— pupils. would you would you kind et agree wtth— pupils. would you would you kind of agree with those— pupils. would you would you kind of agree with those measures? nett— of agree with those measures? well, the— of agree with those measures? well, the whole— of agree with those measures? well, the whole thing there is that— well, the whole thing there is that whatever— well, the whole thing there is that whatever you a teacher does cheatt — that whatever you a teacher does cheatt he — that whatever you a teacher does cheatt he h— that whatever you a teacher does should be in the— that whatever you a teacher does should be in the child's best htetect. — should be in the child's best interest. so— should be in the child's best interest. so if— should be in the child's best interest. so if a— should be in the child's best interest. �*7 o o f interest. so if a child comes to a teacher and says, look, i think i'm transgender or i'm gay or whatever, please don't tell mum and dad. i think the teacher should should respect that. parents shouldn't have a veto. so what their children are being taught. i'd be very happy with yeah— taught. i'd be very happy with yeat ce— taught. i'd be very happy with yeah tethe— taught. i'd be very happy with your son going to— f;; i'd be very happy with your son going to school f; i'd be very happy with your son going to school and tethe— your son going to school and being regarded— your son going to school and being regarded in every way at ccheet— being regarded in every way at ccheet, att— being regarded in every way at school, all as— being regarded in every way at school, all aslgirl.- being regarded in every way at school, all as girl. and you school, all as a girl. and you have— school, all as a girl. and you have he— school, all as a girl. and you have no knowledge of it. so your kid have no knowledge of it. so your ht hc— have no knowledge of it. so your ht tc he— have no knowledge of it. so your ttt tc going-— have no knowledge of it. so your kid is now going. she's called shah— kid is now going. she's called satah—tehtl kid is now going. she's calledi shah—ache te sarah at school. she's going to thtc— sarah at school. she's going to thtc-she-c— sarah at school. she's going to girls-she's talking- girls toilets. she's talking aheat— girls toilets. she's talking about binding, chest about breast binding, chest hhtht— about breast binding, chest hhtht .— about breast binding, chest binding . she's— about breast binding, chest binding . she's talking about binding. she's talking about eetehttatty—al potentially being put on a pathway— potentially being put on a pathway mutilation potentially being put on a- pathway-mutilation and pathway to bodily mutilation and hormones. you'd— pathway to bodily mutilation and hormones. you'd be comfortable not hormones. you'd be comfortable het-ahy— hormones. you'd be comfortable het-ahylthat. - hormones. you'd be comfortable not-anylthat. well, not knowing any of that. well, all not knowing any of that. well, att-thhac— not knowing any of that. well, all-things are— not knowing any of that. well, all-things are a- not knowing any of that. well, all things are a long way all those things are a long way down the road. i mean, you're

talking somebody might down the road. i mean, you're talthinking somebody might down the road. i mean, you're talthinking about ebody might down the road. i mean, you're talthinking about about might down the road. i mean, you're talthinking about about not might be thinking about about not becoming transgender for. well, i'll tell you, i think this- becoming transgender for. well, i'll tell you, i think this is- i'll tell you, i think this is att— i'll tell you, i think this is at a— i'll tell you, i think this is at a very— i'll tell you, i think this is all a very slippery slope. and as a mum myself, i certainly do tachy— as a mum myself, i certainly do wehy aheat— as a mum myself, i certainly do worry about-issue. - as a mum myself, i certainly do worry about-issue. i- as a mum myself, i certainly do worry about issue. i think worry about this issue. i think it's worry about this issue. i think tt-c-et— worry about this issue. i think tt-c-et the— worry about this issue. i think it's-of the most- worry about this issue. i think it's of the most serious it's one of the most serious thhtc— it's one of the most serious thhtc-eh— it's one of the most serious thhtc-eh h- it's one of the most serious things-on in our- it's one of the most serious things on in our society things going on in our society tetay— things going on in our society tetay .— things going on in our society tetay , what— things going on in our society today , what our— things going on in our society today , what our children are today, what our children are teamma— today, what our children are teathht at— today, what our children are learning at school and who gets the that— learning at school and who gets the that cay— learning at school and who gets the final say and— learning at school and who gets the final say and how much awareness do— the final say and how much awareness do we- the final say and how much awareness do we have of that of hatehtce— awareness do we have of that of eatehtce .— awareness do we have of that of eatehtce . ca— awareness do we have of that of parents? i can tell— awareness do we have of that of parents? i can tell you now that-c— parents? i can tell you now that's conversation will rumble on that's conversation will rumble eh aht— that's conversation will rumble eh amt eh— that's conversation will rumble eh amt eh tet— that's conversation will rumble on and on for another day. but for on and on for another day. but tet heat— on and on for another day. but tet meet— on and on for another day. but for now. nigel thank you. hemhtc— for now. nigel thank you. dominic thank— for now. nigel thank you. dominic thank you as well for year— dominic thank you as well for year ttme— dominic thank you as well for year ttme-yea- dominic thank you as well for your time.-you at- dominic thank you as well for your time. you at home as your time. thank you at home as wet— your time. thank you at home as wet. hen-t— your time. thank you at home as wet. hem-t yea— your time. thank you at home as well. don't you misgender well. don't you dare misgender .— well. don't you dare misgender . am— well. don't you dare misgender . am a— well. don't you dare misgender . am a cat— well. don't you dare misgender me. i am a cat for— well. don't you dare misgender me. i am a cat for at least the next— me. i am a cat for at least the next ten— me. i am a cat for at least the next few hours— me. i am a cat for at least the next few hours tomorrow. htchette— next few hours tomorrow. michelle will— next few hours tomorrow. michelle will be back. see you tomorrow . miaow— michelle will be back. see you tomorrow . miaow .

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