as 3000 people crossed the channelin as 3000 people crossed the channel in the last ten days and 500 or so have died crossing the mediterranean. we asked the question tonight is mass migration an inevitability .7 we migration an inevitability? we we'll also look at keir starmer pledge for more onshore wind farms. will that help our energy security or leave us in even greater peril? and ed, yes, it's that story again on when a girl at a school chooses to identify as a cat and a fellow 13 year old pupil calls her out . she old pupil calls her out. she threatened with being kicked out of the school. i find it extraordinary, all of that and much more over the course of the next hour. but first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . nigel thank you. well, the top story this— . nigel thank you. well, the top story this ho..— . nigel thank you. well, the top story this hour, the— \\ gt; well, the top story this hour, the house of commos— story this hour, the house of commons is— story this hour, the house of commons is still— story this hour, the house of commons is still debating the moon— commons is still debating the moon mon— commons is still debating the report that found— commons is still debating the report that found boris johnson noo— report that found boris johnson men over— report that found boris johnson lied over partygate. i think we snow— lied over partygate. i think we snow yon— lied over partygate. i think we can show you live— lied over partygate. i think we can show you live pictures coming— can show you live pictures sommg mom— can show you live pictures coming from the house of commons. there they are. yes.

thev've— commons. there they are. yes. they've noon— commons. there they are. yes. they've been talking about it all they've been talking about it on day.— they've been talking about it on my. nns— they've been talking about it all day. mps are— they've been talking about it all day. mps are deciding mnemon— all day. mps are deciding whether-to- all day. mps are deciding whether to sanction the whether or not to sanction the former— whether or not to sanction the former prime— whether or not to sanction the former prime minister after the nnvnogos— former prime minister after the privileges committee found he repeatedly— privileges committee found he repeatedly-the- privileges committee found he repeatedly the house of repeatedly misled the house of commons. number ten, saying msm— commons. number ten, saying msm smok— commons. number ten, saying rishi sunak is— commons. number ten, saying rishi sunak is skipping this nonme— rishi sunak is skipping this debate because he doesn't want to debate because he doesn't want no immense— debate because he doesn't want to influence the— debate because he doesn't want to influence the decision of mps . mo— to influence the decision of mps . no son— to influence the decision of mps . no mo— to influence the decision of mps . we saw the former prime minster— . we saw the former prime minister theresa may stand up somer— minister theresa may stand up ommon m— minister theresa may stand up earlier in the— minister theresa may stand up earlier in the chamber today saying— earlier in the chamber today saying mo— earlier in the chamber today saying the report will be a smou— saying the report will be a small nun— saying the report will be a small but important step in restoring— small but important step in restoring people's trust in ponnss. — restoring people's trust in ponnss. n— restoring people's trust in politics. i will- restoring people's trust in politics. a " restoring people's trust in politics. cc " ” politics. i will vote in favour of the report of the privileges committee . i urge all members of committee. i urge all members of this house to do so to uphold standards in public life , to standards in public life, to show that we all recognise the responsibility we have to the people we serve , and to help to people we serve, and to help to restore faith in our parliamentary democracy . well, parliamentary democracy. well, the metropolitan police is looking into three potential breaches of covid regulations between june 2020 and may 2021,

a downing street and a chequers that's after the sunday mirror obtained video footage apparently showing conservative staff partying during the pandemic and joking about lockdown restrictions as again, rishi sunak saying he doesn't want to get involved and interfere with matters . now we interfere with matters. now we have some breaking— now we have some breaking news coming to us— have some breaking news coming to us nono— have some breaking news coming to us non on— have some breaking news coming to us here at gb— have some breaking news coming to us here at gb news. a british is— to us here at gb news. a british man is believed— to us here at gb news. a british man is believed to— to us here at gb news. a british man is believed to be among moss— man is believed to be among those aboard— man is believed to be among those aboard a— man is believed to be among those aboard a submarine that's gone— those aboard a submarine that's gone missing— those aboard a submarine that's gone mnssmg m— those aboard a submarine that's gone missing in the north anonns— gone missing in the north atlantic ocean— gone missing in the north atlantic ocean on its way to ion— atlantic ocean on its way to ins — atlantic ocean on its way to view the wreckage of the famous iiionis— view the wreckage of the famous iiionis .— view the wreckage of the famous iiionis . nio— view the wreckage of the famous titanic . we understand the us titanic. we understand the us nom— titanic. we understand the us tour nim— titanic. we understand the us tour firm oceangate has confirmed— tour firm oceangate has confirmed one- tour firm oceangate has confirmed one of its vessels and missig— confirmed one of its vessels and crew are missing in— confirmed one of its vessels and crew are missing in the ocean , crew are missing in the ocean, oni— crew are missing in the ocean, and o— crew are missing in the ocean, and o mon— crew are missing in the ocean, and a man certainly posted on sooioi— and a man certainly posted on sooioi moiio— and a man certainly posted on social media in— and a man certainly posted on social media in the last few days— social media in the last few days asking— social media in the last few days asking for— social media in the last few days asking for prayers for his siogioinon — days asking for prayers for his stepfather. that— days asking for prayers for his stepfather. that person has been nomen— stepfather. that person has been named ny— stepfather. that person has been named by my— stepfather. that person has been named by my relatives as hamish. he named by my relatives as hamish. no naming. — named by my relatives as hamish. no naming. ani— named by my relatives as hamish. he harding. and we— named by my relatives as hamish. he harding. and we understand the he harding. and we understand no business— he harding. and we understand the business man— he harding. and we understand the business man and pilot wrote

on nis— the business man and pilot wrote on his instagram_ the business man and pilot wrote on his instagram account yosionioy— on his instagram account yesterday saying that he would be yesterday saying that he would is making— yesterday saying that he would no ioning pon— yesterday saying that he would be taking part in— yesterday saying that he would be taking part in a dive today, going— be taking part in a dive today, going down— be taking part in a dive today, going down no— be taking part in a dive today, going down to see the titanic nmsnogo— going down to see the titanic nmsiogo .— going down to see the titanic wreckage . that's— going down to see the titanic wreckage . that's all the news we wreckage. that's all the news we nove— wreckage. that's all the news we move on— wreckage. that's all the news we move on moi— wreckage. that's all the news we have on that so— wreckage. that's all the news we have on that so far.— wreckage. that's all the news we have on that so far. we heard onion— have on that so far. we heard ooiiioi on— have on that so far. we heard earlier on that— have on that so far. we heard earlier on that the us coastguard- earlier on that the us coastguard told gb news it is invoivoi— coastguard told gb news it is invoivoi in— coastguard told gb news it is involved in a— coastguard told gb news it is involved in a search. we're exposing— involved in a search. we're expecting developments on that soonn— expecting developments on that search throughout— expecting developments on that search throughout the rest of the search throughout the rest of in evening.— search throughout the rest of the evening. we'll bring them to you nono— the evening. we'll bring them to you non on— the evening. we'll bring them to you non on on— the evening. we'll bring them to you here on gb news. now, police nove— you here on gb news. now, police novo monon— you here on gb news. now, police novo inokon no— you here on gb news. now, police have broken up in— you here on gb news. now, police have broken up in albanian gang that have broken up in albanian gang inoi oiiogoiiy— have broken up in albanian gang that allegedly brought migrants into that allegedly brought migrants inio-un— that allegedly brought migrants into-um on— that allegedly brought migrants into-uk on small- that allegedly brought migrants into uk on small boats. into the uk on small boats. inmo— into the uk on small boats. three members— into the uk on small boats. three members of the crime group mission— three members of the crime group were arrested early— three members of the crime group were arrested early on this morning— were arrested early on this moming ny— were arrested early on this morning by officers from the noiionoi— morning by officers from the national crime— morning by officers from the national crime agency. and if yon-io— national crime agency. and if you're watching— national crime agency. and if you're watching on television, vou— you're watching on television, yon—piommsl you're watching on television,. you—pictures right you can see those pictures right . wein— you can see those pictures right . moii, en— you can see those pictures right now . well, gb news understands now. well, gb news understands the now. well, gb news understands ino group— now. well, gb news understands ins group nos— now. well, gb news understands the group has been charging mignms— the group has been charging migrants-than- the group has been charging migrants-than .- the group has been charging migrants than . £7,000 a migrants more than. £7,000 a crossing— migrants more than. £7,000 a crossing .— migrants more than. £7,000 a crossing . ani— migrants more than. £7,000 a crossing . and lastly, king crossing. and lastly, king cnonos— crossing. and lastly, king charles has— crossing. and lastly, king charles has attended his first semiso— charles has attended his first service ion— charles has attended his first service for the— charles has attended his first service for the order of the gonor— service for the order of the onion os— service for the order of the garter as monarch . and thousands garter as monarch. and thousands of garter as monarch. and thousands oi geomo— garter as monarch. and thousands of people gathered— garter as monarch. and thousands of people gathered outside windsor— of people gathered outside windsor castle— of people gathered outside windsor castle to catch a giimpso— windsor castle to catch a giimpss oi— windsor castle to catch a glimpse of his- windsor castle to catch a glimpse of his majesty alongside omon— glimpse of his majesty alongside queen camilla— glimpse of his majesty alongside queen camilla at—

glimpse of his majesty alongside queen camilla at saint george's cnogoi— queen camilla at saint george's chapel noisy,— queen camilla at saint george's chapel today, the— queen camilla at saint george's chapel today, the prince and princess— chapel today, the prince and princess oi— chapel today, the prince and princess of wales also in attendance— princess of wales also in attendance ._ princess of wales also in attendance . 800 guests were attendance. 800 guests were invisi— attendance. 800 guests were invited today, _ attendance. 800 guests were invited today, but conspicuous by invited today, but conspicuous iy nis— invited today, but conspicuous by his absence,— invited today, but conspicuous by his absence, the duke of york not by his absence, the duke of york noi insis— by his absence, the duke of york noi mono .— by his absence, the duke of york not there . dumas.— by his absence, the duke of york not there . dumas. despite being not there. dumas. despite being a not there. dumas. despite being o i— not there. dumas. despite being o i oi— not there. dumas. despite being a member of the— not there. dumas. despite being a member of the order of the gonor— a member of the order of the onion ,— a member of the order of the song , yon-io— a member of the order of the garter , you're up— a member of the order of the garter , you're up to date on tv garter, you're up to date on tv oniino— garter, you're up to date on tv oniino noni— garter, you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio— garter, you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in opp.— online dab+ radio and the tune in opp. inis— online dab+ radio and the tune in opp. inis is— online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb— online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news, minim-s— in app. this is gb news, britain's news- in app. this is gb news, britain's news . britain's news. channel noon— britain's news. channel good evening- britain's news. channel good evening . britain's news. channel- good evening . two weeks ago good evening. two weeks ago today, rishi sunak was in dover saying, my pledge to stop the boats is working as the numbers are down. i made the point that was because of a north easterly wind and nothing to do with any policies that have thus far been put in place. and so last monday, i went back into the channel we were the first channel and we were the first broadcast go broadcast media outlet to go back into channel this year. back into the channel this year. and we took which we and we took footage which we showed you . well, the result

showed to you. well, the result of all of this that 3000 of all of this is that 3000 people have crossed the channel over the course of the last ten days. and from wednesday of this week onwards , it's going to be week onwards, it's going to be flat calm for perhaps up to a week. so we can expect another two, three, 4000 to come over that period of time . but there that period of time. but there is an even bigger issue and bigger problem . and this weekend bigger problem. and this weekend we're focussed on a tragedy and thatis we're focussed on a tragedy and that is a migrant boat coming across the mediterranean has sunk. it is suspected that up to 500 odd people , all are dead or 500 odd people, all are dead or missing. 100 of them children or infants. and it's really dodi, i think, you know, taking some big headunes think, you know, taking some big headlines over the course of this weekend to make people think, well, this is awful. it's terrible . and the blame game is terrible. and the blame game is going on. you know, did the greek coastguard do enough? why were other commercial vessels that were in that part of the

mediterranean, why were they not alerted to the fact that for many, many hours as this boat, this fishing boat, was basically motionless and you see a picture of it there on your screens , of it there on your screens, crammed with hundreds and hundreds of people. so there is a very big blame game going on. but i think they're all wrong . but i think they're all wrong. and bear in mind that those that cross the english channel nearly always are those that previously have crossed the mediterranean . have crossed the mediterranean. but i think to blame the greeks is crazy and it's wrong . and is crazy and it's wrong. and i'll tell you where the blame lies in 2015, when the first boats started crossing the mediterranean, john claude juncker, who was in charge of the european commission, put in place the eu's refugee and asylum plans. they basically said that anyone that sets foot on eu soil could stay. and i said at the time, and i said it again and again in speeches in the european parliament, if you allow this policy to go forward

from here, there will be millions of people that come and i said many, many people will die as a result. well now, since all of that started in the first boats started to arrive in 2014, it is estimated and wait for this, it is estimated said that 27, 1000 thousand people have drowned in the mediterranean. thatis drowned in the mediterranean. that is a truly horrendous figure and it puts the 500 that have been lost over the course of this week end into, i think, some some sort of context . the some some sort of context. the main reason people are moving across the med is because they're coming from poorer countries to rich countries . but countries to rich countries. but if the qualification for refugee status for claiming asylum is because you come from somewhere that's poor, then by my reckoning, somewhere between four and 5 billion people in the world would qualify. now that doesn't mean they're all going to come, but it does mean that

unless we rethink all of this, we could be facing a problem that literally be totally engulfs the european continent. and in turn us as well. engulfs the european continent. and in turn us as well . so is and in turn us as well. so is mass migration an inevitability? give me your thoughts, farage at gb news .com because this is a major, major inaya national issue. my feeling is that that the richer european countries simply can't take unlimited numbers of people and we have to get to a point and we've seen some of this where the greeks have been doing push back. and in italy some people have been arrested, put in handcuffs and sent to north africa. sent back to north africa. europe is going to have to do and we, too, are going to have to do what the australians did and say actually to qualify and to say actually to qualify as a refugee , you genuinely have as a refugee, you genuinely have to be in fear of your life and your liberty as a result of who your liberty as a result of who you are or what you believe in. poverty i don't think is enough

. i'm joined by nigel nelson, gb news, senior political commentator , and . nigel, 3000 commentator, and. nigel, 3000 have come in the last ten days. now last week i can confidently predict be another 3000. the legislation that is slowly going through westminster. i mean, nothing is going to change this side of the autumn, is it? no it's not. i mean, the rwanda ming— it's not. i mean, the rwanda ining moi— it's not. i mean, the rwanda thing that even— it's not. i mean, the rwanda thing that even if— it's not. i mean, the rwanda thing that even if it- c i mean, the rwanda thing that even if it gets iniongn— thing that even if it gets through the— thing that even if it gets through the courts, it's not going— through the courts, it's not going io— through the courts, it's not going io iono— through the courts, it's not going to take off until at least sopiomioi— going to take off until at least september either. and what we're seeing— september either. and what we're seeing is— september either. and what we're seeing is-ii-s— september either. and what we're seeing is-it's good- september either. and what we're seeing is it's good weather seeing is that it's good weather moi— seeing is that it's good weather moi oinoys— seeing is that it's good weather that always makes people cross the that always makes people cross in cnonnoi. — that always makes people cross the channel. so— that always makes people cross the channel. so as— that always makes people cross the channel. so as as the the channel. so as long as the wooing— the channel. so as long as the manner sioys— the channel. so as long as the weather stays okay, you'll see oni— weather stays okay, you'll see more and more— weather stays okay, you'll see more and more people coming ino— more and more people coming across the summer. difficult one for nisni. — across the summer. difficult one for rishi. he's— across the summer. difficult one for rishi. he's put— across the summer. difficult one for rishi. he's put this- across the summer. difficult one for rishi. jig for rishi. he's put this big pledge to stop the boats. the speech in dover was an absolute pleasure. stop the boats. stop the pleasure. stop the boats. stop in boots. — pleasure. stop the boats. stop the boats. all— pleasure. stop the boats. stop the boats. all the— ”it; stop the boats. stop the boats. / the boats. all the boats. yeah. not the numbers. stop the not reduce the numbers. stop the boats. not a cat's boats. yeah which not a cat's chance hell of that. i chance in hell of that. i wouldn't have thought labour's position on i mean, corbyn position on this. i mean, corbyn was remove all barriers and was just remove all barriers and we're citizens of the world. we're all citizens of the world. i'm where starmer i'm not quite sure where starmer

is this. well, i mean, they is on this. well, i mean, they nosi— is on this. well, i mean, they need no— is on this. well, i mean, they need no go— is on this. well, i mean, they need to go further,- well, i mean, they need to go further, but at the monom— need to go further, but at the momom ino— need to go further, but at the moment the starmer is that moment the starmer view is that you moment the starmer view is that yon-ino— moment the starmer view is that yon-ins monog— moment the starmer view is that you the backlog down of you get the backlog down of osyinm— you get the backlog down of. osyinm—moiiy asylum seekers, which is really imponom— asylum seekers, which is really imgonom .— asylum seekers, which is really imoononi . vou— asylum seekers, which is really important . you also proper important. you also have proper soniomoni— important. you also have proper settlement schemes. he also ioins— settlement schemes. he also ioins anom— settlement schemes. he also talks about the _ settlement schemes. he also talks about the idea of iismoiing— talks about the idea of disrupting the smuggling gangs , disrupting the smuggling gangs, but disrupting the smuggling gangs, im in— disrupting the smuggling gangs, but in fairness,— disrupting the smuggling gangs, but in fairness, so— disrupting the smuggling gangs, but in fairness, so does rishi snnon — but in fairness, so does rishi sunak. -actually. sunak. so that is actually happening— sunak. so that is actually nopponing .— sunak. so that is actually happening . but the idea would be happening. but the idea would be i happening. but the idea would be i mink— happening. but the idea would be i mink moi— happening. but the idea would be | think that the— happening. but the idea would be i think that the most interesting- i think that the most interesting one, which labour nove— interesting one, which labour have-fleshed— interesting one, which labour have fleshed there yet, have not fleshed out there yet, is-settlement- have not fleshed out there yet, is settlement scheme is a proper settlement scheme messi— is a proper settlement scheme nnioss-om— is a proper settlement scheme unless are ukrainian , afghan unless you are ukrainian, afghan or unless you are ukrainian, afghan on nongnongoi— unless you are ukrainian, afghan on nongnongoi .— unless you are ukrainian, afghan or hongkonger , there is no legal or hongkonger, there is no legal ionis— or hongkonger, there is no legal nouns io— or hongkonger, there is no legal nouns no some— or hongkonger, there is no legal route to come to— or hongkonger, there is no legal route to come to this country . route to come to this country. ani— route to come to this country. and yon-io— route to come to this country. and you're absolutely right in nnoi— and you're absolutely right in mm yon— and you're absolutely right in mm yon insi— and you're absolutely right in what you just said, being poor is non— what you just said, being poor is noi o— what you just said, being poor is noi o goon— what you just said, being poor is not a good enough reason to main— is not a good enough reason to sioim osyinm— is not a good enough reason to claim asylum. you— is not a good enough reason to claim asylum. you have to be in genuine— claim asylum. you have to be in genuine ism— claim asylum. you have to be in genuine fear of— claim asylum. you have to be in genuine fear of your life or your— genuine fear of your life or your soioiy. — genuine fear of your life or your safety. yeah and of course, you— your safety. yeah and of course, you mon— your safety. yeah and of course, you know what? _ your safety. yeah and of course, you know what? �*fii�*iz; gig? your safety. yeah and of course, you know what? �*fii�*iz; 924? c you know what? we get? it is a fraction of what the continent of europe is seeing. and numbers into italy this so far, this year have trebled. i mean, that's my debate tonight. is mass migration inevitable or can the european nations stop it ? the european nations stop it? well, i mean, i think that it's

a well, i mean, i think that it's o gioioi— well, i mean, i think that it's a global problem. it's not just inope— a global problem. it's not just iniogo .— a global problem. it's not just even europe , but— a global problem. it's not just even europe , but europe dealing even europe, but europe dealing nim— even europe, but europe dealing win in.— even europe, but europe dealing win is won— even europe, but europe dealing with it. we're talking 100 with it. we're talking about 100 geomo— with it. we're talking about 100. people—are people or 100 million people are are move throughout the are on the move throughout the mono.— are on the move throughout the noiii. non,— are on the move throughout the noiii. non, oi— are on the move throughout the world. now, of those, about 40 miiiion— world. now, of those, about 40 miiiion oo— world. now, of those, about 40 million are internally displaced. _ million are internally displaced. so they're not oomoiiy— displaced. so they're not actually trying to to other actually trying to get to other ommos— actually trying to get to other countries is.— actually trying to get to other countries is. every refugee countries is. but every refugee sions— countries is. but every refugee sions oni— countries is. but every refugee sions om os— countries is. but every refugee starts out as an— countries is. but every refugee starts out as an asylum seeker, oiinongn— starts out as an asylum seeker, oiinongn noi— starts out as an asylum seeker, although not all— starts out as an asylum seeker, although not all asylum seekers are although not all asylum seekers noingoos— although not all asylum seekers noingoos .— although not all asylum seekers are refugees . so— although not all asylum seekers are refugees . so it's important are refugees. so it's important to are refugees. so it's important no work— are refugees. so it's important no work oni— are refugees. so it's important to work out which— are refugees. so it's important to work out which is which. if you— to work out which is which. if you iono— to work out which is which. if you no in— to work out which is which. if you no in os— to work out which is which. if you take it as a— to work out which is which. if you take it as a global problem, i you take it as a global problem, i minn— you take it as a global problem, i mink moi— you take it as a global problem, | think that that— you take it as a global problem, | think that that it— you take it as a global problem, i think that that it should be poogio— i think that that it should be people snouii— i think that that it should be people should be taken from un soniomoni— people should be taken from un settlement camps— people should be taken from un settlement camps rather than novo— settlement camps rather than novo io— settlement camps rather than have to cross— settlement camps rather than have to cross the— settlement camps rather than have to cross the channel to apply— have to cross the channel to opoiy ion— have to cross the channel to apply for asylum _ have to cross the channel to apply for asylum or the mediterranean for that matter. tom.— mediterranean for that matter. yeah. wherever— mediterranean for that matter. yeah. wherever they're coming mom.— yeah. wherever they're coming from nui— yeah. wherever they're coming from out i— yeah. wherever they're coming from. but if there— yeah. wherever they're coming from. but if there is somewhere at from. but if there is somewhere oi ino— from. but if there is somewhere at the moment— from. but if there is somewhere at the moment that the asylum law at the moment that the asylum iow says— at the moment that the asylum iow soys moi— at the moment that the asylum law says that if— at the moment that the asylum law says that if you want to oioim — law says that if you want to claim asylum _ law says that if you want to claim asylum ,_ law says that if you want to claim asylum , say, in this claim asylum, say, in this county— claim asylum, say, in this county-io- claim asylum, say, in this country,-to be. claim asylum, say, in thisi country,-to be on country, you have to be on nniisn— country, you have to be on british soil,— country, you have to be on british soil, that- country, you have to be on british soil, that encourages poogio— british soil, that encourages people io— british soil, that encourages people to cross— british soil, that encourages people to cross the channel. now— people to cross the channel. uon mis— people to cross the channel. now this ou— people to cross the channel. now this all links— people to cross the channel. now this all links in,- people to cross the channel. now this all links in, of- now this all links in, of course, both illegal immigration, plus the huge numbers of legal migrants coming to britain and we've discussed

before places we've before school places we've discussed before, you know , the discussed before, you know, the problems with getting gp appointments, etcetera . yeah, appointments, etcetera. yeah, i'm speculate later on i'm going to speculate later on in that water is the in this hour that water is the next major problem that we face. no reservoirs built 30 no big reservoirs built for 30 years, parts of kent and sussex running out of water, but housing sort of housing another sort of conservative rishi pledge that we hear over the course of the weekend that britons will be prioritised for council housing because the waiting list is now 1.2 million. an frank field, former labour mp has said the number of migrants being put in council housing is an absolute scandal . do you think they'll scandal. do you think they'll actually do it ? well, i mean, actually do it? well, i mean, no— actually do it? well, i mean, no insi— actually do it? well, i mean, the first thing— actually do it? well, i mean, the first thing you've- f i:i:::i fl well, i mean, the first thing you've got to do is ooiuoiiy— the first thing you've got to do is actually build— the first thing you've got to do is actually build houses because moi— is actually build houses because moi nouii— is actually build houses because that would deal— is actually build houses because that would deal with those sooioi— that would deal with those social housing— that would deal with those social housing waiting lists moi— social housing waiting lists that mentioned of 1.2 that you mentioned of 1.2 miiiion— that you mentioned of 1.2 million there. _ that you mentioned of 1.2 million there. and that's disgraceful. _ million there. and that's disgraceful. well, mean, i do disgraceful. well, i mean, i do minn— disgraceful. well, i mean, i do mink-moi— disgraceful. well, i mean, i do think-that brits- think that that that brits snouii— think that that that brits snouii io— think that that that brits should be prioritised in onnoipio— should be prioritised in onnoipio .— should be prioritised in principle . well, but also you principle. well, but also you iono— principle. well, but also you no i— principle. well, but also you no i in— principle. well, but also you take it in terms— principle. well, but also you take it in terms of need. i minn— take it in terms of need. i mink moi— take it in terms of need. i think that that's the other point— think that that's the other poini mono—

think that that's the other point there that it's no point outing— point there that it's no point ouiiing o— point there that it's no point putting a couple in a six bedroomed_ putting a couple in a six bedroomed house if you happen to novo— bedroomed house if you happen to novo o— bedroomed house if you happen to novo o mignm— bedroomed house if you happen to have a migrant family who've got six kios— have a migrant family who've got six niis oni— have a migrant family who've got six kids and you— have a migrant family who've got six kids and you need that six ioinoom— six kids and you need that six bedroom house,— six kids and you need that six bedroom house, there's one near nnoio— bedroom house, there's one near wnoio you— bedroom house, there's one near wnoio you oni— bedroom house, there's one near wnoio you and i— bedroom house, there's one near where you and i both live where a where you and i both live where osynon— where you and i both live where osynon iomiiy— where you and i both live where a syrian family were put in iooouso— a syrian family were put in because the— a syrian family were put in because the council hadn't been onio— because the council hadn't been oiio io— because the council hadn't been oiio io ioi— because the council hadn't been able to let the— because the council hadn't been able to let the house for a yoon— able to let the house for a you. n— able to let the house for a you. n was— able to let the house for a you. ii o— able to let the house for a year. it was a six bedroomed nouso— year. it was a six bedroomed nous inoy— year. it was a six bedroomed house. they didn't have anyone suiioiio— house. they didn't have anyone suiioiio io— house. they didn't have anyone suitable to move— house. they didn't have anyone suitable to move in there was an outcry— suitable to move in there was an ouiony ioooiiy— suitable to move in there was an outcry locally when _ suitable to move in there was an outcry locally when syrian noiugoos— outcry locally when syrian refugees moved in. now everyone's happy so need is ooiuoiiy— everyone's happy so need is ooiuoiiy on— everyone's happy so need is actually an important part of it. actually an important part of in nu— actually an important part of in out i— actually an important part of it. but it doesn't— actually an important part of it. but it doesn't mean i mean if youo— it. but it doesn't mean i mean if you're sitting— it. but it doesn't mean i mean if you're sitting on— it. but it doesn't mean i mean if you're sitting on the housing waning— if you're sitting on the housing noiiing isi— if you're sitting on the housing waiting list for— if you're sitting on the housing waiting list for two, three, noun— waiting list for two, three, ioun iivo — waiting list for two, three, four, five years,- waiting list for two, three, four, five years, those are the poogio— four, five years, those are the wow! wno — four, five years, those are the people who should go to the top of ii. — people who should go to the top of ii. uigoi— people who should go to the top of it. nigel nelson, thank you voy— of it. nigel nelson, thank you vony muon— of it. nigel nelson, thank you very much indeed. “ci: very much indeed. i'm joined nonn— very much indeed. i'm joined down the line from westminster by moyle, by lloyd russell moyle, member of labour of course, of parliament, labour of course, for brighton kemptown and peacehaven lloyd , good evening. peacehaven lloyd, good evening. thank you for joining peacehaven lloyd, good evening. thank you forjoining us. rishi thank you for joining us. rishi sunak you know, this big pledge of stop the boats and he's in a bit of trouble over this with

3000 coming in the last ten days. i've got to ask what would labour do about this ? well, i labour do about this? well, i think you've heard— ” i:i:::i :7 well, i think you've heard there ” i:i:::i 57 well, i think you've heard there a bit about— think you've heard there a bit about labour— think you've heard there a bit about labour would ensure that mono— about labour would ensure that mono ano— about labour would ensure that there are some— about labour would ensure that there are some safe and legal iogiiimoio— there are some safe and legal legitimate routes— there are some safe and legal legitimate routes for people to oni— legitimate routes for people to and ii— legitimate routes for people to come and it does— legitimate routes for people to come and it does then mean you io— come and it does then mean you no guionoi— come and it does then mean you can be quicker in— come and it does then mean you can be quicker in sending people noon— can be quicker in sending people took nnon— can be quicker in sending people back when they've— can be quicker in sending people back when they've either already oogiioi— back when they've either already oppiioo oni— back when they've either already applied and failed— back when they've either already applied and failed or , or that applied and failed or, or that you— applied and failed or, or that you novo— applied and failed or, or that you novo ino— applied and failed or, or that you have the capacity then in county— you have the capacity then in county io— you have the capacity then in country to send— you have the capacity then in country to send them back. one of no— country to send them back. one of no nig— country to send them back. one of the big problems that we have at of the big problems that we have oi ino— of the big problems that we have at the moment— of the big problems that we have at the moment is— of the big problems that we have at the moment is people come on ino— at the moment is people come over on the boats— at the moment is people come over on the boats and then they migni— over on the boats and then they migni ionguisn— over on the boats and then they might languish for— over on the boats and then they might languish for a year or iongoi— might languish for a year or even longer to— might languish for a year or even longer to get a decision mooo— even longer to get a decision mooo on— even longer to get a decision made on their— even longer to get a decision made on their behalf. and in moi— made on their behalf. and in no iimo— made on their behalf. and in that time they— made on their behalf. and in that time they course, that time they have, of course, iuiii— that time they have, of course, iuiiilo— that time they have, of course, iuiiilo oioim— that time they have, of course, built-a claim for— that time they have, of course, built a claim for family life built up a claim for family life oni— built up a claim for family life on ion— built up a claim for family life on ion iiio— built up a claim for family life and for life in— built up a claim for family life and for life in the— built up a claim for family life and for life in the uk and of course wouldn't— and for life in the uk and of course wouldn't we all be able to course wouldn't we all be able io io— course wouldn't we all be able no do moi— course wouldn't we all be able no to no i— course wouldn't we all be able to do that if we— course wouldn't we all be able to do that if we stayed somewhere— to do that if we stayed somewhere over a year? so it nooos— somewhere over a year? so it nooos io— somewhere over a year? so it nooos no no— somewhere over a year? so it needs to be justice, but it nooos— needs to be justice, but it nooos io— needs to be justice, but it needs to be— needs to be justice, but it needs to be quick and that's nnoi— needs to be quick and that's what labour— needs to be quick and that's what labour will— needs to be quick and that's what labour will focus on. and moi-s— what labour will focus on. and inoi-s noi— what labour will focus on. and inoi-s noi iusi— what labour will focus on. and that's not just about speeding it that's not just about speeding ii-inoi-s— that's not just about speeding it-that's about- that's not just about speeding it that's about giving it up here, that's about giving notion— it up here, that's about giving proper processes— it up here, that's about giving proper processes abroad because as proper processes abroad because os-iusi— proper processes abroad because os-iusi mooni— proper processes abroad because as just heard, unless as you've just heard, unless youo—

as you've just heard, unless you're-ukraine- as you've just heard, unless you're ukraine an afghani you're at ukraine or an afghani or you're at ukraine or an afghani on nong— you're at ukraine or an afghani on nong nong,— you're at ukraine or an afghani or hong kong, there is no legal way— or hong kong, there is no legal noy moi— or hong kong, there is no legal way that someone— or hong kong, there is no legal way that someone can come and mono— way that someone can come and inono-noiugoos— way that someone can come and there-refugees from - way that someone can come and there refugees from all there are refugees from all even there are refugees from all even no on— there are refugees from all even the very-countries- there are refugees from all even the very countries will the very best countries will novo— the very best countries will have l refugee _ the very best countries will have refugee every now and have a refugee every now and ogoin— have a refugee every now and ogoin iooouso— have a refugee every now and again because they will face goiiiiooi— again because they will face political persecution. one way or political persecution. one way on onoiion— political persecution. one way or another. you— political persecution. one way or another. you know, kind of ionono— or another. you know, kind of edward snowden_ or another. you know, kind of edward snowden in the us is a good— edward snowden in the us is a good oxompio— edward snowden in the us is a good example. who had to flee to russo.— good example. who had to flee to nussio. vou— good example. who had to flee to russia. you know,— good example. who had to flee to russia. you know, there will oinoys— russia. you know, there will oinoys io— russia. you know, there will always be strange and odd oomoioi— always be strange and odd anomalies,.you- always be strange and odd anomalies, you have anomalies, so you can't have a iionnoi— anomalies, so you can't have a blanket-against- anomalies, so you can't have a blanket-against a- anomalies, so you can't have a blanket against a particular blanket ban against a particular oouniny— blanket ban against a particular oouniny. nii— blanket ban against a particular country. all right. �*fyiizigc country. all right. well, let's say— country. all right. well, let's soy you— country. all right. well, let's say you can broadly certain say you can say broadly certain countries are at more likelihood for creating refugees. lloyd, let's say that a safe and legal route was set up , you know, an route was set up, you know, an offshore processing centre, whether it was in north africa or france or wherever it may be. and we take people through safe and legal routes and we believe actually the motive isn't just poverty. there is a genuine reason why they would qualify for refugee status. okay, granted , i mean, i think nigel granted, i mean, i think nigel would, but if we hang on just one say if we do that of

economic migration, which we should allow, but it should be on different criteria for lloyd if we do economic migration, there 5 billion people there are 4 to 5 billion people that would qualify to to that would qualify to come to britain and europe. it is literally because our literally impossible because our need based on our need, which is based on our need. yeah , well, our need at need. yeah, well, our need at ino— need. yeah, well, our need at no momom— need. yeah, well, our need at the moment, our— : yeah, well, our need at the moment, our need is to noouoo— the moment, our need is to reduce numbers,- the moment, our need is to reduce numbers, not increase mom.— reduce numbers, not increase inom. — reduce numbers, not increase inom. nui— reduce numbers, not increase them. but what?— reduce numbers, not increase them. 7 �*7 them. but what? that's fine. okay. i'm assuming the labour government has set up safe and legal genuine legal routes for genuine refugees. i'll take that refugees. right. i'll take that as a given for purposes of as a given for the purposes of this what then this conversation. what then happens if people keep coming across the channel in small boats ? what does labour do then boats? what does labour do then 7 boats? what does labour do then ? well, first of all, we believe that it would reduce the numbers and that's the evidence where in australia, for example, safe and legal routes were set up through asian countries and processed centres offshore were created and boat numbers dropped dramatically. but and boat numbers dropped dramatically . but the second dramatically. but the second pari— dramatically. but the second non oi— dramatically. but the second pon oi moi,— dramatically. but the second part of that, that— dramatically. but the second part of that, that was- i: {ely but the second part of that, that was important is moi— part of that, that was important is no ooopio— part of that, that was important is that people were processed on— is that people were processed yony guiskiy— is that people were processed yony guioniy. so— is that people were processed very quickly. so when they onmoi— very quickly. so when they arrived they— very quickly. so when they arrived they were either already on no — arrived they were either already were on the system, so were iunnoo— were on the system, so were

iunnoo noon— were on the system, so were turned back to— were on the system, so were turned back to the last country moi— turned back to the last country inoi inoy— turned back to the last country that they came— turned back to the last country that they came from or in the case where they— that they came from or in the case where they hadn't been, inoy— case where they hadn't been, inoy nono— case where they hadn't been, they were processed enormously guioniy— they were processed enormously guioniy ono— they were processed enormously guioniy on o— they were processed enormously quickly and a judgement was made for quickly and a judgement was made ion nnono— quickly and a judgement was made ion nnono inoy— quickly and a judgement was made for where they could reside. inoi-s— for where they could reside. inoi-s non— for where they could reside. that's how you— for where they could reside. that's how you stop the push and put— that's how you stop the push and puii iooions. — that's how you stop the push and pull factors. let's— that's how you stop the push and pull factors. let's be honest inougn— pull factors. let's be honest inougn ino— pull factors. let's be honest though, the number of people innoguioniy— though, the number of people irregularly crossing the channel and irregularly crossing the channel ono i— irregularly crossing the channel on i moon— irregularly crossing the channel on i ny— irregularly crossing the channel and i mean by boat crossing, by nioing— and i mean by boat crossing, by nioing in— and i mean by boat crossing, by hiding in trucks,— and i mean by boat crossing, by hiding in trucks, by going on the eurostar,_ hiding in trucks, by going on the eurostar, etcetera, is ooiuoiiy— the eurostar, etcetera, is actually lower- the eurostar, etcetera, is actually lower than it has been pnoyiousiy— actually lower than it has been pnoyiousiy .— actually lower than it has been pnoyiousiy. ins— actually lower than it has been previously . it's just that we've previously. it's just that we've oiomnoo— previously. it's just that we've oiomnoo-on— previously. it's just that we've clamped -on the - previously. it's just that we've clamped on the other routes clamped down on the other routes and clamped down on the other routes oni-ino— clamped down on the other routes and .the -crossing- clamped down on the other routes and-the-crossing is- and now the boat crossing is oimosi— and now the boat crossing is oimosi ino— and now the boat crossing is almost the only— and now the boat crossing is almost the only route left out. nou.— almost the only route left out. nou. im— almost the only route left out. nou. in non— almost the only route left out. well, i'm not sure— almost the only route left out. well, i'm not sure about- almost the only route left out. well, i'm not sure about that. there are plenty of reports of people jumping out of lorries, but made it tougher. but we have made it tougher. that for certain. there are that is for certain. there are lots of labour families lots of labour voting families who've got, know , kids, who've got, you know, kids, grandkids on council, house waiting lists. 1.2 million across the country. an idea thrown out by number 10 overnight that british people should get put to the front of the list. i can't see with human rights legislation that british

people would ever get put above those that have crossed the channel well, my understanding is that they are are at the moment. i is that they are are at the moment . i remember tackling this moment. i remember tackling this union— moment. i remember tackling this union i— moment. i remember tackling this nnon i os— moment. i remember tackling this nnon i o— moment. i remember tackling this when i was a local— i remember tackling this when i was a local councillor on ino— when i was a local councillor on no mousing— when i was a local councillor on the housing committee and we had nony— the housing committee and we had nony oioon— the housing committee and we had very clear criteria— the housing committee and we had very clear criteria that if mono— very clear criteria that if there were _ very clear criteria that if there were .— very clear criteria that if there were . i've lost him right there were. i've lost him right 7 ino— there were. i've lost him right 7 ins issi— there were. i've lost him right ? i've lost him.— there were. i've lost him right ? i've lost him. well,- there were. i've lost him right ? i've lost him. well, okay, we've lost lloyd russell—moyle. the link's gone down. i was going to put to him the point that former labour long term labour mp frank field says it is a scandal. the number of council houses that are being given to migrants anyway , in a moment we migrants anyway, in a moment we will discuss onshore wind. you see, starmer wants to reduce all of this. he wants onshore wind to be our big new future. is that the right decision? and is it? what will it do for energy security in our country

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listening to gb news radio. so is global mass migration inevitable ? that's the question inevitable? that's the question inoy— inevitable? that's the question inoy osnoo— inevitable? that's the question inoy osioo you— inevitable? that's the question they asked you and— 7 that's the question they asked you and some of your responses coming— they asked you and some of your responses coming in. ron says no , it responses coming in. ron says no , ii is— responses coming in. ron says no , ii is o— responses coming in. ron says no ,g is o sympiom— responses coming in. ron says no ,g is o sympiom oi— responses coming in. ron says no , it is a symptom of weak gonommoni— , it is a symptom of weak government .— , it is a symptom of weak government . it's about time we government. it's about time we noo— government. it's about time we noo o— government. it's about time we had a minimum— government. it's about time we had a minimum five year monoonium— had a minimum five year moratorium on- had a minimum five year moratorium on immigration and by that moratorium on immigration and by no i— moratorium on immigration and by no i minn— moratorium on immigration and by that i think ryan— moratorium on immigration and by that i think ryan means all ionms— that i think ryan means all ionms oi— that i think ryan means all forms of immigration, which nouio— forms of immigration, which nouio io— forms of immigration, which would be rather— forms of immigration, which would be rather difficult to do. ono— would be rather difficult to do. ono nionon— would be rather difficult to do. one viewer says,— would be rather difficult to do. one viewer says, yes , mass one viewer says, yes, mass mignoiion— one viewer says, yes, mass mignoiion is— one viewer says, yes, mass migration is inevitable , going migration is inevitable, going by migration is inevitable, going iy non— migration is inevitable, going iy non ino— migration is inevitable, going by how the current batch of poiiiioions— by how the current batch of politicians are _ by how the current batch of politicians are running the show , onoinon— politicians are running the show , onoinon soys— politicians are running the show , onoinon soys i— politicians are running the show , another says, i think he will iino— , another says, i think he will in ii— , another says, i think he will in ii is— , another says, i think he will find it is all— , another says, i think he will find it is all planned to make inoy— find it is all planned to make excuses. they cannot stop it due to excuses. they cannot stop it due io somo— excuses. they cannot stop it due io iogoi— excuses. they cannot stop it due to some legal paperwork that is ooiuoiiy— to some legal paperwork that is ooiuoiiy ion— to some legal paperwork that is actually for the— to some legal paperwork that is actually for the birds. we were not actually for the birds. we were noi nonn— actually for the birds. we were not born yesterday. this is deliberate— not born yesterday. this is deliberate and— not born yesterday. this is deliberate and cruel against the noonio— deliberate and cruel against the noonio oi— deliberate and cruel against the noonio oi iunono— deliberate and cruel against the people of europe and the usa and mono— people of europe and the usa and inono ono— people of europe and the usa and inono o— people of europe and the usa and there are a growing— people of europe and the usa and there are a growing number of noonio— there are a growing number of noonio nno— there are a growing number of noonio nno io— there are a growing number of people who do say that now. keir sionmon— people who do say that now. keir sionmon ioooy— people who do say that now. keir starmer today a— people who do say that now. keir starmer today a big speech in in ioiniungn— starmer today a big speech in in ioiniungn in— starmer today a big speech in in edinburgh in which he pledged to

non— edinburgh in which he pledged to throw everything— edinburgh in which he pledged to throw everything at net zero. yup— throw everything at net zero. yup nno— throw everything at net zero. yup no nos— throw everything at net zero. yup and he's going to fire the sioning— yup and he's going to fire the sioning gun— yup and he's going to fire the sioning gun on— yup and he's going to fire the starting gun on a— yup and he's going to fire the starting gun on a race for us to iuiio— starting gun on a race for us to unit mono— starting gun on a race for us to build more on— starting gun on a race for us to build more on onshore wind iuniinos— build more on onshore wind turbines allied— build more on onshore wind turbines allied to that no new gas— turbines allied to that no new gos on— turbines allied to that no new gos on on— turbines allied to that no new gas or oil exploration in the nonn— gas or oil exploration in the nonn soo.— gas or oil exploration in the north sea. the— gas or oil exploration in the north sea. the setting up of gnooi— north sea. the setting up of great british— north sea. the setting up of great british energy dodi, a new nuiiioiy— great british energy dodi, a new nuiiioiy onmoi— great british energy dodi, a new publicly owned company . gosh, publicly owned company. gosh, not publicly owned company. gosh, noi so— publicly owned company. gosh, not so sure about— publicly owned company. gosh, not so sure about that . given not so sure about that. given ino— not so sure about that. given ino nisiony— not so sure about that. given ino nisiony oi— not so sure about that. given the history of state owned firms . nui— the history of state owned firms . nun sionmon— the history of state owned firms . but starmer emphasises that his . but starmer emphasises that nis nions— . but starmer emphasises that no nions go— . but starmer emphasises that no nions go noy— . but starmer emphasises that his plans go way beyond the onmoio— his plans go way beyond the climate crisis. _ his plans go way beyond the climate crisis. he says his nions— climate crisis. he says his nions nono— climate crisis. he says his plans have the- climate crisis. he says his plans have the potential to noon— plans have the potential to onoooi ions— plans have the potential to create jobs across the country ono— create jobs across the country on no— create jobs across the country and to improve— create jobs across the country and to improve uk's energy soouniiy. — and to improve uk's energy security. well— and to improve uk's energy security. well i— and to improve uk's energy security. well i have to say moi— security. well i have to say inoi iosi— security. well i have to say that last point— security. well i have to say that last point i— security. well i have to say that last point i think is oomoioio— that last point i think is complete and- that last point i think is complete and utter nonsense. the no on— complete and utter nonsense. the no noiy on— complete and utter nonsense. the more we rely on wind, the less onongy— more we rely on wind, the less onongy soouno— more we rely on wind, the less onongy no— more we rely on wind, the less energy secure we are. shaun noiioy— energy secure we are. shaun noiioy iions— energy secure we are. shaun bailey piers joins me, who is ooouno— bailey piers joins me, who is executive director of the environmental think tank and ononiiy— environmental think tank and ononiiy soo,— environmental think tank and charity sea, the— environmental think tank and charity sea, the green alliance, ionmoniy— charity sea, the green alliance, ionmoniy somo— charity sea, the green alliance, formerly some years ago, a

ioioun— formerly some years ago, a ioioun nin— formerly some years ago, a labour mep .— formerly some years ago, a labour mep . but also, sean, you labour mep. but also, sean, you oi— labour mep. but also, sean, you were of course— labour mep. but also, sean, you were of course running the oounoii— were of course running the oounoii ion— were of course running the council for the— were of course running the council for the protection of nunoi— council for the protection of rural england— council for the protection of rural england many years ago. i noni— rural england many years ago. i noni io— rural england many years ago. i noni no pun— rural england many years ago. i want to put this— rural england many years ago. i want to put this to— rural england many years ago. i want to put this to you as somoioiy— want to put this to you as somebody who- want to put this to you as somebody who was fought as hard as somebody who was fought as hard os you— somebody who was fought as hard os you nono— somebody who was fought as hard as you have over— somebody who was fought as hard as you have over many, many yoons— as you have over many, many yoons io— as you have over many, many yoons io noon— as you have over many, many years to keep our— as you have over many, many years to keep our wonderful gnoon— years to keep our wonderful gnoon ono— years to keep our wonderful green and pleasant land as it ougni— green and pleasant land as it ougni io— green and pleasant land as it ougni no no,— green and pleasant land as it ought to be, full— green and pleasant land as it ought to be, full of, you know, gnooi— ought to be, full of, you know, great biodiverse_ ought to be, full of, you know, great biodiverse species to keep our great biodiverse species to keep unionis— great biodiverse species to keep our uplands looking beautiful. sunny,— our uplands looking beautiful. sunoiy, sunoiy— our uplands looking beautiful. sunoiy, sunoiy .— our uplands looking beautiful. surely, surely . sean, whatever surely, surely. sean, whatever youn— surely, surely. sean, whatever youn gnoon— surely, surely. sean, whatever your green credentials is, you musi— your green credentials is, you musi minn— your green credentials is, you musi ininn o— your green credentials is, you must think a huge outbreak of onsono— must think a huge outbreak of onshore wind— must think a huge outbreak of onshore wind farms is bad for ino— onshore wind farms is bad for the countryside— onshore wind farms is bad for the countryside .— onshore wind farms is bad for the countryside . well nigel, i the countryside. well nigel, i iono— the countryside. well nigel, i iono oun— the countryside. well nigel, i love our bluebell woods, and goi— love our bluebell woods, and goi io— love our bluebell woods, and we've got to do— love our bluebell woods, and we've got to do something about onmoio— we've got to do something about climate change. _ we've got to do something about climate change. i— we've got to do something about climate change. "

than somebody saying , ownership of wind farms rather than somebody saying, i'm the guy the energy company, guy from the energy company, you're have a wind you're going to have a wind farm, going to make a big farm, we're going to make a big profit. it or it. profit. like it or lump it. there needs a new dialogue there needs to be a new dialogue on how we get onshore wind. well that well and good. that all sounds well and good. sean. mean, you know, i'm sean. but i mean, you know, i'm spooning— sean. but i mean, you know, i'm speaking—rochesterl speaking to you from rochester in—ino— speaking to you from rochester in—ino nomnoy- in kent. take the romney marshes, a win. a wind farm was put marshes, a win. a wind farm was nun-onono— marshes, a win. a wind farm was nuilinono o— marshes, a win. a wind farm was nuilinono o ion— marshes, a win. a wind farm was put there a few years ago, put up there a few years ago, ninuoiiy— put up there a few years ago, virtually-local- put up there a few years ago, virtually local councillor virtually every local councillor mp virtually every local councillor nn nin— virtually every local councillor mp mep, virtually all apart from one mp mep, virtually all apart from nno— mp mep, virtually all apart from one who was a green, objected to it one who was a green, objected to in ioing— one who was a green, objected to in ioing iuiii— one who was a green, objected to it being built and— one who was a green, objected to it being built and local communities- it being built and local communities don't get behind inoso— communities don't get behind inoso ono— communities don't get behind inoso ono soy— communities don't get behind these and say what happened was onono— these and say what happened was inono os— these and say what happened was inono o— these and say what happened was there was a compulsory purchase onono — there was a compulsory purchase onono nno— there was a compulsory purchase onono nno noi— there was a compulsory purchase order. and not only— there was a compulsory purchase order. and not only are they ugly— order. and not only are they ugly aesthetically, but they nn— ugly aesthetically, but they nn nugo— ugly aesthetically, but they kill huge numbers of bats, birds and kill huge numbers of bats, birds on gooinoss— kill huge numbers of bats, birds and goodness knows what else. is this and goodness knows what else. is inis nooiiy— and goodness knows what else. is inis nooiiy ino— and goodness knows what else. is this really the i— and goodness knows what else. is this really the i mean, surely if this really the i mean, surely ii no— this really the i mean, surely if we wanted— this really the i mean, surely if we wanted a— this really the i mean, surely if we wanted a green solution, we if we wanted a green solution, no nouio— if we wanted a green solution, no nouio io— if we wanted a green solution, we would be going for new, smoiion— we would be going for new, smoiion iynos— we would be going for new, smaller types of— we would be going for new, smaller types of nuclear energy . nou— smaller types of nuclear energy . you i— smaller types of nuclear energy . well i think— smaller types of nuclear energy . well i think keir— smaller types of nuclear energy . well i think keir starmers snooon— . well i think keir starmers snooon ioooy— . well i think keir starmers speech today is— . well i think keir starmers speech today is absolutely nigni. — speech today is absolutely right. you've— speech today is absolutely right. you've got- speech today is absolutely right. /i:::i. igizfi speech today is absolutely right. you've got to throw everything at this and climate change is really , really

change is really, really serious. you've got to you've just had a piece on immigration in one of the drivers of immigration and asylum seeking is, of course, climate change. you've got huge investment around the world in the green transition , $370 billion transition, $370 billion trillion, $1 billion, 1.7 trillion , conceivably up to 1.7 trillion, conceivably up to 1.7 trillion, conceivably up to 1.7 trillion by the us . massive trillion by the us. massive investment in the eu. if the uk is left behind, we not only lose out on our contribution contribution to climate change where we've been world leaders, we lose out on all the job opportunities. and i think you can work with communities to get them onshore wind farms. the big difference, the big difference, nigel i was running nigel from when i was running six years ago is there was a lot of stuff there saying that they were expensive and they were very expensive and they didn't and nobody didn't work. and almost nobody now that evidence now thinks that the evidence is clear cheapest form of clear that the cheapest form of energy and they make a big contribution. no, no, no, inoy-no— contribution. no, no, no, they're subsidised- contribution. no, no, no,- they're subsidised .taxpayers. they're subsidised by taxpayers. but they're subsidised by taxpayers. nun moving— they're subsidised by taxpayers. nun moving on— they're subsidised by taxpayers. but moving on. moving from but moving on. moving on from wind. — but moving on. moving on from wind. no— but moving on. moving on from wind. no non— but moving on. moving on from wind. no new oil— but moving on. moving on from wind. no new oil and gas explorabbn_ wind. no new oil and gas exploration and gas is subsidised— exploration and gas is subsidised massively . now that subsidised massively. now that o nugo— subsidised massively. now that o nugo .— subsidised massively. now that means a huge , huge loss of jobs

means a huge, huge loss of jobs in sooiiono— means a huge, huge loss of jobs in scotland and— means a huge, huge loss of jobs in scotland and elsewhere. we niii— in scotland and elsewhere. we niii siiii— in scotland and elsewhere. we niii siiii io— in scotland and elsewhere. we will still be using— in scotland and elsewhere. we will still be using oil and gas, nnoioiiy— will still be using oil and gas, nnoioiiy ion— will still be using oil and gas, probably for several decades to nno— probably for several decades to come. and everything that sionmon— come. and everything that sionmon is— come. and everything that starmer is doing here, reducing our starmer is doing here, reducing oiiiiiy— starmer is doing here, reducing oiiiiiy io— starmer is doing here, reducing our ability to be— our ability to be self—sufficient, leaving us vulnerable— self—sufficient, leaving us vulnerable to— self—sufficient, leaving us vulnerable to intermit and wind onongy— vulnerable to intermit and wind onongy .— vulnerable to intermit and wind onongy , mooning— vulnerable to intermit and wind energy , meaning in short times energy, meaning in short times we energy, meaning in short times no nono— energy, meaning in short times no nono io— energy, meaning in short times we have to import— energy, meaning in short times we have to import electricity inom— we have to import electricity inom inoono— we have to import electricity from france or— we have to import electricity from france or from norway or non— from france or from norway or inom noigium— from france or from norway or from belgium or— from france or from norway or from belgium or whatever it is . from belgium or whatever it is. i from belgium or whatever it is. i moon— from belgium or whatever it is. i sunoiy— from belgium or whatever it is. i mean, surely his— from belgium or whatever it is. i mean, surely his claim that by doing— i mean, surely his claim that by doing on— i mean, surely his claim that by doing oii oi— i mean, surely his claim that by doing all of these— i mean, surely his claim that by doing all of these things is he niii— doing all of these things is he niii imnnono— doing all of these things is he will improve the— doing all of these things is he will improve the uk's energy soouniiy— will improve the uk's energy soouniiy .— will improve the uk's energy security . surely— will improve the uk's energy security . surely that is utter security. surely that is utter nuiiisn— security. surely that is utter nuiiisn .— security. surely that is utter rubbish . well— security. surely that is utter rubbish . well if— security. surely that is utter rubbish . well if labour's rubbish. well if labour's ioioun-s— rubbish. well if labour's labour's policy is to decarbonise- labour's policy is to decarbonise the grid by 2030 insiooo— decarbonise the grid by 2030 insiooo oi— decarbonise the grid by 2030 instead of 2035,— decarbonise the grid by 2030 instead of 2035, and it's also to instead of 2035, and it's also no insuioio— instead of 2035, and it's also to insulate loads— instead of 2035, and it's also to insulate loads of houses, a nnognommo— to insulate loads of houses, a mass programme of insulation. so mass programme of insulation. so ii— mass programme of insulation. so ii inoy— mass programme of insulation. so ii inoy goi— mass programme of insulation. so if they get those— mass programme of insulation. so if they get those things- so if they get those things right, then we'll need less imported gas. but the fact is that the, the oil and gas we produce in the north sea is

exported . it'd on international exported. it'd on international markets. 80% of the oil is exported , id 60% of the gas. and exported, id 60% of the gas. and it's a really declining gas field is exported unless you are proposing state ownership which from your previous comments, i guess not know that that guess you're not know that that is we are paying as taxpayers huge sums of money to the developers of these oil and gas fields. and then we export the gas and the oil on international markets. promise, i markets. i promise, sean, i promise , we could find the promise you, we could find the capital in about three days to develop the gas fields in the north—west of england. the bowland reserve. g: the bowland reserve. there's plenty of bowland reserve. there's plenty oi onooio— bowland reserve. there's plenty of private capital— bowland reserve. there's plenty of private capital that would ion— of private capital that would come for these— of private capital that would come for these things. all i'm soying— come for these things. all i'm soying-is— come for these things. all i'm soying-is mis- come for these things. all i'm saying is this even if saying to you is this even if we're worried— saying to you is this even if we're worried about the climate onisis— we're worried about the climate onisis .— we're worried about the climate onisis , oii— we're worried about the climate crisis , all we've— we're worried about the climate crisis , all we've done for the crisis, all we've done for the iosi— crisis, all we've done for the iosi zo— crisis, all we've done for the iosi zo yoons— crisis, all we've done for the last 20 years is— crisis, all we've done for the last 20 years is put huge levels of last 20 years is put huge levels oi suisioy— last 20 years is put huge levels of subsidy onto— last 20 years is put huge levels of subsidy onto consumers oioonioiiy— of subsidy onto consumers electricity bills. - of subsidy onto consumers electricity bills. we have kyiv oxnonoo— electricity bills. we have kyiv exported manufactured jobs. and yes,— exported manufactured jobs. and yos oi— exported manufactured jobs. and yos, oi oounso— exported manufactured jobs. and yes, of course, there are some ions— yes, of course, there are some iois on— yes, of course, there are some ions on ino— yes, of course, there are some jobs on the wind— yes, of course, there are some jobs on the wind farms and ononyining— jobs on the wind farms and everything else,— jobs on the wind farms and everything else, but we've onomoi— everything else, but we've oononoo o— everything else, but we've exported a huge number of manufacturing— exported a huge number of manufacturing jobs. we've left

ourselves utterly— manufacturing jobs. we've left ourselves utterly reliant on imnons— ourselves utterly reliant on imnons .— ourselves utterly reliant on imnons . i— ourselves utterly reliant on imports. i mean, and we only oonniiuio— imports. i mean, and we only contribute it— imports. i mean, and we only contribute it less— imports. i mean, and we only contribute it less than 1% of gioioi— contribute it less than 1% of gioioi coz— contribute it less than 1% of gioioi coz .— contribute it less than 1% of global co2 . it's— contribute it less than 1% of global co2 . it's all well and global co2. it's all well and good— global co2. it's all well and good ioing— global co2. it's all well and good being world leaders, but it's good being world leaders, but its on— good being world leaders, but its on ooi— good being world leaders, but its on ooi oi— good being world leaders, but it's an act of self—harm, isn't it's an act of self—harm, isn't in o — it's an act of self—harm, isn't in 7 non.— it's an act of self—harm, isn't it ? well, even— it's an act of self—harm, isn't it ? well, even if— it's an act of self—harm, isn't it ? well, even if you- it's an act of self—harm, isn't it? ennis " �*7 it? well, even if you leave climate change, aside from it, if we hadn't been if we hadn't cut the green crap, as david cameron said eight years ago, we would have invested an lot would have invested an awful lot of in insulating our of money in insulating our houses. we would have invested in more flexible grid. we'd be in a more flexible grid. we'd be in a more flexible grid. we'd be in better place to in a much better place to generate own clean british generate our own clean british energy for british people. that instead of being reliant on imports as we have been from russia and ukraine and the sooner we get ready, get on the transition, which is happening like it or not, this is like a new industrial revolution, the better we'll be in. better position we'll be in. otherwise we'll be left in a kind 20th century fossil fuel kind of 20th century fossil fuel economy where the rest of the world moving on and world is moving on and decarbonising. and what happens in-noiioy— decarbonising. and what happens in-bailey-world- in shaun bailey ayres's world nnon— in shaun bailey ayres's world when-doesn't- in shaun bailey ayres's world when doesn't blow? in shaun bailey ayres's world- when-doesn't blow? well when the wind doesn't blow? well all when the wind doesn't blow? well oii onongy— when the wind doesn't blow? well oii onongy un— when the wind doesn't blow? well all energy uk and— when the wind doesn't blow? well all energy uk and all the ioiiins— all energy uk and all the boffins reckon—

all energy uk and all the boffins reckon that you can deal nim— boffins reckon that you can deal niin moi— boffins reckon that you can deal with that through— boffins reckon that you can deal with that through storage, inougn— with that through storage, through limited backup and nuonioo— through limited backup and nuonioo is— through limited backup and nuclear is a— through limited backup and nuclear is a part of that . nuclear is a part of that. um, nou.— nuclear is a part of that. um, nou. onongy— nuclear is a part of that. um, nou. onongy is.— nuclear is a part of that. um, well, energy is, is— nuclear is a part of that. um, well, energy is, is the representative group for the energy companies. representative group for the energy companies . they're energy companies. they're absolutely confident other countries are investing. they're confident . of course they're confident. of course inoy-no— they're confident. of course they're confident. they i mean, inoy— they're confident. they i mean, inoy noni— they're confident. they i mean, inoy noni oii— they're confident. they i mean, they want all the _ they're confident. they i mean, they want all the competitors ionooo— they want all the competitors ionooo oun— they want all the competitors forced out of— they want all the competitors forced out of the— they want all the competitors forced out of the industry. sean nnon— forced out of the industry. sean union in— forced out of the industry. sean when it comes— forced out of the industry. sean when it comes i— forced out of the industry. sean when it comes i mean, i've been nooning— when it comes i mean, i've been nooning oioui— when it comes i mean, i've been hearing about energy storage on a hearing about energy storage on o nig— hearing about energy storage on o iig sooio— hearing about energy storage on o iig sooio ion— hearing about energy storage on a big scale for a— hearing about energy storage on a big scale for a quarter of a ooniuny— a big scale for a quarter of a ooniuny. nno— a big scale for a quarter of a century. and if— a big scale for a quarter of a century. and if it— a big scale for a quarter of a century. and if it happens , i'll century. and if it happens, i'll gino— century. and if it happens, i'll gino mnoo— century. and if it happens, i'll gino innoo nony— century. and if it happens, i'll give three very big loud public noos — give three very big loud public noos nui— give three very big loud public cheers. but frankly , you have to cheers. but frankly, you have to uigoi— cheers. but frankly, you have to uigoi vou— cheers. but frankly, you have to mix. nigel you have- cheers. but frankly, you have to mix. \n 91; /i:::i. ”it; mix. nigel you have offshore, onshore solar. you insulate the houses, you manage demand , and houses, you manage demand, and you do have some some backup . you do have some some backup. and it's evident, you know, it is evident that it can be done well, we need to import denying it now. we'll need to import it nnon— it now. we'll need to import it nnon ino— it now. we'll need to import it when the wind— c we'll need to import it when the wind doesn't blow. iinoi— when the wind doesn't blow. iinoi guion— when the wind doesn't blow. final quick thought should nous— final quick thought should houses have— final quick thought should houses have heat pumps? yes yes. anu— houses have heat pumps? yes yes. and inoy-no— houses have heat pumps? yes yes. and inoy-no noiy— houses have heat pumps? yes yes. and they're very popular— houses have heat pumps? yes yes. and they're very popular .- houses have heat pumps? yes yes. and they're very popular. and- and they're very popular. and we've got we there is there is only one way we're going. we have to get off fossil fuels

both for the economy and for the climate . and so heat pumps are climate. and so heat pumps are any house, any house over 50 years old, future, any house over 50 years old will not be suitable for a heat pump. it'll cost them 10 to 15 grand.- cost them 10 to 15 grand. and insi— cost them 10 to 15 grand. and iusi ono— cost them 10 to 15 grand. and iusi iinoi— cost them 10 to 15 grand. and just one final thought on fossil iuois— just one final thought on fossil iuois is— just one final thought on fossil iuois is mis— just one final thought on fossil fuels is this year— just one final thought on fossil fuels is this year the world's going— fuels is this year the world's going io— fuels is this year the world's going io num— fuels is this year the world's going to burn 8— fuels is this year the world's going to burn 8 billion tonnes of going to burn 8 billion tonnes oi oooi. — going to burn 8 billion tonnes oi oooi. nuo-no— going to burn 8 billion tonnes of coal. we're going to burn more coal this— of coal. we're going to burn more coal this year than in any yoon— more coal this year than in any yoon in— more coal this year than in any yoon in no— more coal this year than in any year in the history— more coal this year than in any year in the history of humankind.- year in the history of humankind. aren't we just ooiuoing— humankind. aren't we just deluding ourselves that we make any deluding ourselves that we make my oiiiononoo— deluding ourselves that we make any difference at— deluding ourselves that we make any difference at all? ennis any difference at all? well, no. i any difference at all? well, no. immi— any difference at all? well, no. iiiinn ino— any difference at all? well, no. i think the ipcc , the i think the ipcc, the international panel on climate change , everybody else, the change, everybody else, the international energy association , un, there's a clear pathway for getting off fossil fuels . for getting off fossil fuels. it's not impossible . the economy it's not impossible. the economy rests on it. and i think what you're forgetting about in your sort of derision about heat pumps is innovation. these things become cheaper as things will become cheaper as offshore wind is immeasurably cheaper than anybody thought was possible ten years ago. heat pumps cheaper. pumps have become cheaper. they'll efficient . they'll become more efficient. we can do this stuff. you've got to on board, nigel. you'll

to get on board, nigel. you'll love future love it. well green future building. sean i promise you. i nnomiso— building. sean i promise you. i nnomiso you.— building. sean i promise you. i promise you. you— building. sean i promise you. i promise you. you know,- i: g i promise you. i promise you. you know, as a big supnonon— promise you. you know, as a big sunnonon .— promise you. you know, as a big sunnonon. os— promise you. you know, as a big sunnonon. os you— promise you. you know, as a big supporter , as you know, of much supporter, as you know, of much of supporter, as you know, of much oi youn— supporter, as you know, of much oi youn nonn— supporter, as you know, of much oi youn nonn oi— supporter, as you know, of much of your work at cbre. yeah i'm an environmentalist, but i'm a nnogmoiio— an environmentalist, but i'm a pragmatic environmentalist. when inoso— pragmatic environmentalist. when inosoinings— pragmatic environmentalist. when these things can— pragmatic environmentalist. when these things can work without suisioy— these things can work without suisioy oni— these things can work without subsidy and with— these things can work without subsidy and with 100% reliability— subsidy and with 100% reliability and when we're self—sufficient, then you may iini— self—sufficient, then you may in o— self—sufficient, then you may in o iii— self—sufficient, then you may find a bit more— self—sufficient, then you may find a bit more enthusiasm for non— find a bit more enthusiasm for ion mo— find a bit more enthusiasm for ion mo ion— find a bit more enthusiasm for from me for the— find a bit more enthusiasm for from me for the moment. forgive my sooniioism— from me for the moment. forgive my scepticism and— from me for the moment. forgive my scepticism and thank you for coming— my scepticism and thank you for coming on— my scepticism and thank you for ooming on ino— my scepticism and thank you for coming on the show again. sean spoons— coming on the show again. sean spoons inonn— coming on the show again. sean spears thank you— coming on the show again. sean spears thank you very much. so oxinoonoinony— spears thank you very much. so extraordinary in— spears thank you very much. so extraordinary in west kent and iosi— extraordinary in west kent and iosi suss— extraordinary in west kent and east sussex over— extraordinary in west kent and east sussex over the course of ino— east sussex over the course of no iosi— east sussex over the course of the last week,— east sussex over the course of the last week, houses have oiinon— the last week, houses have oiinon noo— the last week, houses have either had very,— the last week, houses have either had very, very low water nnossuno on in— either had very, very low water pressure or in many cases no pressure or in many cases [10 noon— pressure or in many cases [10 noion oi— pressure or in many cases no noion oi oii. — pressure or in many cases no water at all. is— pressure or in many cases no water at all. is this the btec noxi— water at all. is this the btec noxi nooiiy— water at all. is this the btec next really big— water at all. is this the btec next really big crisis we as a oouniny— next really big crisis we as a oouniny oouio— next really big crisis we as a country could face a .

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people's channel. britain's news . channel well, march- people's channel. " " well, march was the . channel well, march was the noiiosi— . channel well, march was the wettest march— . channel well, march was the wettest march in— . channel well, march was the wettest march in the- " well, march was the wettest march in the south—east i wettest march in the south—east i oon— wettest march in the south—east i can ever remember. but since onon— i can ever remember. but since inon. ono— i can ever remember. but since then, and actually— i can ever remember. but since then, and actually since the cononoiion.— then, and actually since the coronation, apart from this noonono— coronation, apart from this noonono .— coronation, apart from this weekend , it's— coronation, apart from this weekend , it's barely rained at weekend, it's barely rained at on.— weekend, it's barely rained at on. i— weekend, it's barely rained at all. i haven't— weekend, it's barely rained at all. i haven't seen the grass as nonn— all. i haven't seen the grass as inonn—iuno- all. i haven't seen the grass as inonn—iuno .- all. i haven't seen the grass as brown -june . not. all. i haven't seen the grass asi brown -june . not that brown as this. in june. not that i brown as this. in june. not that i oon— brown as this. in june. not that i can remember.— brown as this. in june. not that i can remember. certainly in my iiioiimo— i can remember. certainly in my iiioiimo. nno— i can remember. certainly in my lifetime. and south—east water nono— lifetime. and south—east water nono inougni— lifetime. and south—east water have brought in— lifetime. and south—east water have brought in an immediate nosonino— have brought in an immediate nosonino ono— have brought in an immediate hosepipe and sprinkler ban. this is ino— hosepipe and sprinkler ban. this is the earliest— hosepipe and sprinkler ban. this is the earliest time they've had to is the earliest time they've had no no— is the earliest time they've had no oo in— is the earliest time they've had no oo in ion— is the earliest time they've had to do it for over— is the earliest time they've had to do it for over a— is the earliest time they've had to do it for over a decade. nuo-no— to do it for over a decade. no-no ooio— to do it for over a decade. we're told by— to do it for over a decade. we're told by south east water moi— we're told by south east water inoi ino — we're told by south east water that the problem _ we're told by south east water that the problem is that demand for that the problem is that demand ion noion— that the problem is that demand ion noion nos— that the problem is that demand for water has broken . records so for water has broken. records so it for water has broken. records so in ism-i— for water has broken. records so in isn-i insi— for water has broken. records so it isn't just about— for water has broken. records so it isn't just about the fact moi— it isn't just about the fact mo in— it isn't just about the fact that it hasn't— it isn't just about the fact that it hasn't rained very much ono— that it hasn't rained very much mo in— that it hasn't rained very much mo in ism-i— that it hasn't rained very much and it isn't just— that it hasn't rained very much and it isn't just about the fact moi— and it isn't just about the fact inoi no— and it isn't just about the fact inoi no moio— and it isn't just about the fact that no major new reservoirs nono— that no major new reservoirs nono noon— that no major new reservoirs have been built— that no major new reservoirs have been built for about three onooios.— have been built for about three iooooos. no— have been built for about three decades. no demand for water has monon— decades. no demand for water has broken records.— decades. no demand for water has broken records. anybody at home got broken records. anybody at home goi o— broken records. anybody at home goi o oiuo— broken records. anybody at home goi o oiuo os— broken records. anybody at home goi o oiuo os io— broken records. anybody at home got a clue as to why that should no?— got a clue as to why that should no? not.— got a clue as to why that should be? well, travel— got a clue as to why that should be? well, travel around the souin—oosi— be? well, travel around the south—east of— be? well, travel around the south—east of england and what you-ii— south—east of england and what you-ii soo— south—east of england and what you-ii is— south—east of england and what you'll see is housebuilding on a

sooio— you'll see is housebuilding on a sooio moi— you'll see is housebuilding on a sooio inoi is— you'll see is housebuilding on a scale that is almost unbelievable. it is part of the nonuioiion— unbelievable. it is part of the population crisis— unbelievable. it is part of the population crisis engulfing this oouniny— population crisis engulfing this oouniny. nno— population crisis engulfing this country. and i'm— population crisis engulfing this country. and i'm beginning to ooo— country. and i'm beginning to wonder whether— country. and i'm beginning to wonder whether water may become a wonder whether water may become o nony— wonder whether water may become o nony. nony— wonder whether water may become onony. nony siou— wonder whether water may become a very, very serious problem iooouso— a very, very serious problem iooouso inom — a very, very serious problem because from start to finish , to because from start to finish, to nuio— because from start to finish, to iuiio o— because from start to finish, to iuiio o non— because from start to finish, to build a new reservoir is nnoioiiy— build a new reservoir is probably going to take you about ten probably going to take you about ion y. — probably going to take you about ion y. non.— probably going to take you about ten years. now, the area that's noon— ten years. now, the area that's ioon noisi— ten years. now, the area that's been worst affected has been nosi— been worst affected has been noso noni— been worst affected has been west kent and— been worst affected has been west kent and east sussex and inoooo— west kent and east sussex and inoooi somo— west kent and east sussex and indeed some places have had no noion— indeed some places have had no noion oi— indeed some places have had no noion oi oi— indeed some places have had no water at all for— indeed some places have had no water at all for days. schools nono— water at all for days. schools nono noo— water at all for days. schools nono noo io— water at all for days. schools have had to close— water at all for days. schools have had to close and we're ooio.— have had to close and we're ooio. inougn.— have had to close and we're told, though, it— have had to close and we're told, though, it has at least for told, though, it has at least ion no— told, though, it has at least for now, engendered a bit of a iiiiz— for now, engendered a bit of a iiiiz sninii. — for now, engendered a bit of a blitz spirit. and— for now, engendered a bit of a blitz spirit. and i'm joined now ionm— blitz spirit. and i'm joined now down ino— blitz spirit. and i'm joined now down the line— blitz spirit. and i'm joined now down the line by— blitz spirit. and i'm joined now down the line by councillor nionooi— down the line by councillor michael lunn,_ down the line by councillor michael lunn, who was concerned nin— michael lunn, who was concerned inin oounoiiion— michael lunn, who was concerned lviv councillor for— michael lunn, who was concerned lviv councillor for hadlow down oni— lviv councillor for hadlow down and rotherfield_ lviv councillor for hadlow down and rotherfield on wealden disinioi— and rotherfield on wealden district council— and rotherfield on wealden district council . councillor district council. councillor iunn— district council. councillor iunn. monk— district council. councillor lunn, thank you for joining us. iusi— lunn, thank you for joining us. iusi ioii— lunn, thank you for joining us. iusi ioii us— lunn, thank you for joining us. just tell us what's— lunn, thank you for joining us. just tell us what's been happening— just tell us what's been happening over the last week or so in— happening over the last week or so in youn— happening over the last week or so in your area. well thank you, uigoi. — so in your area. well thank you, uigoi. ins— so in your area. well thank you, nigel. it's been— so in your area. well thank you, nigel. it's been an— so in your area. well thank you, nigel. c " i?“ nigel. it's been an absolute

mess of a situation . residents mess of a situation. residents have been out of water for eight days for schools, closed businesses closed, farmers as animals requested , and folk animals requested, and folk without any water. and it's just been ongoing with very few communications coming out of south east water and quite frankly, people have been very resilient . a real community resilient. a real community coming together. but they're tired, they're fed up and they want answers of why this has happened yet again. this is the fourth time this has happened . fourth time this has happened. yeah, yeah. now, as you say, it nononing— yeah, yeah. now, as you say, it was happening last— “in?" “in?" now, as you say, it was happening last year to some of was happening last year to some oi inoso— was happening last year to some of these communities. but do you see of these communities. but do you my— of these communities. but do you my point— of these communities. but do you see my point, michael, about housebuilding— see my point, michael, about housebuilding ?_ see my point, michael, about housebuilding ? you know, huge housebuilding? you know, huge in— housebuilding? you know, huge increase in population in kent, suss— increase in population in kent, suss .— increase in population in kent, sussex , hampshire. many of these sussex, hampshire. many of these souinonn— sussex, hampshire. many of these southern counties— sussex, hampshire. many of these southern counties .— sussex, hampshire. many of these southern counties . i— sussex, hampshire. many of these southern counties . i mean, do southern counties. i mean, do you— southern counties. i mean, do you mon— southern counties. i mean, do you know no— southern counties. i mean, do you know do you— southern counties. i mean, do you know do you know of plans to nuio— you know do you know of plans to iuiio non— you know do you know of plans to build new reservoirs? i mean, mono-s— build new reservoirs? i mean, inono-s ono— build new reservoirs? i mean, there's one proposal road over ino— there's one proposal road over ino ionoon— there's one proposal road over the border near— there's one proposal road over the border near canterbury. but

i the border near canterbury. but i moon— the border near canterbury. but i .— the border near canterbury. but i . nnoi— the border near canterbury. but i mean , what is— the border near canterbury. but i mean , what is east sussex i mean, what is east sussex ooing— i mean, what is east sussex doing in— i mean, what is east sussex doing in terms— i mean, what is east sussex doing in terms of planning for the doing in terms of planning for no iuiuno— doing in terms of planning for no iuiuno o — doing in terms of planning for the future ? well,— doing in terms of planning for the future ? ennis the future? well, the issue about you talk about reservoirs, we actually had a briefing not so many months ago from south—east water talking about the arlington reservoir , which the arlington reservoir, which you'll be familiar with. yeah and they've got no plans to complete that until 2040 or 2050. yet. the housebuilding is ongoing. yeah. um and the major issue is that south—east water and southern water that deal with sewage are not statut three consultees to the national planning policy framework and therefore, when you ask them as a planner, as a councillor , as a planner, as a councillor, as an officer of the council , can an officer of the council, can we hook up these new houses that are being planned? their immediate answer is yes. and you've got no opportunity to challenge that because they are seen as the experts and the whole system is fundamentally flawed . and yeah, it's flawed

flawed. and yeah, it's flawed every level actually, isn't it? as you say, supply of water as you say, supplyyof water to as you say, supply of water to nous— as you say, supply of water to houses, sewage _ as you say, supply of water to houses, sewage ,_ as you say, supply of water to houses, sewage , leakages into houses, sewage, leakages into the houses, sewage, leakages into ino inno— houses, sewage, leakages into no no ino— houses, sewage, leakages into the into the sea— houses, sewage, leakages into the into the sea and some of the iooonos— the into the sea and some of the iooonos in— the into the sea and some of the beaches in south— the into the sea and some of the beaches in south eastern ingiono. — beaches in south eastern england. and— beaches in south eastern england. and yeah, it's a mess. monooi— england. and yeah, it's a mess. michael, thanks— england. and yeah, it's a mess. michael, thanks for coming on oni— michael, thanks for coming on on sioning— michael, thanks for coming on and sharing some— michael, thanks for coming on and sharing some of your ononoionos— and sharing some of your experiences and observations. nno— experiences and observations. and i— experiences and observations. and i nono— experiences and observations. and i we ino— experiences and observations. and i hope the situation gets oonon— and i hope the situation gets ioiion ion— and i hope the situation gets better for you _ and i hope the situation gets better for you quickly. i worry moi— better for you quickly. i worry mo in— better for you quickly. i worry mo in non-i— better for you quickly. i worry that it won't necessarily do moi.— that it won't necessarily do inoi. inonn— that it won't necessarily do that. thank you. - that it won't necessarily do that. thank you. what do you minn— that. thank you. what do you ininn oioui— that. thank you. what do you think about it?— that. thank you. what do you think about it? i— that. thank you. what do you think about it? i mean, water it is ino— think about it? i mean, water it is no mosi— think about it? i mean, water it is the most basic— think about it? i mean, water it is the most basic nick of all commodities— is the most basic nick of all commodities for— is the most basic nick of all commodities for life, but for settlements— commodities for life, but for settlements ,_ commodities for life, but for settlements , you know, where did settlements, you know, where did in ino— settlements, you know, where did in no ooniy— settlements, you know, where did in the early days— settlements, you know, where did in the early days where did man nuio— in the early days where did man iuiio niooos— in the early days where did man build places to _ in the early days where did man build places to live, where they oouii — build places to live, where they oouii goi— build places to live, where they could get warm _ build places to live, where they could get warm water? and now nono— could get warm water? and now nono no— could get warm water? and now nono no in— could get warm water? and now here we are in the— could get warm water? and now here we are in the 21st century oni— here we are in the 21st century ono sunnosooiy— here we are in the 21st century and supposedly one of the nionosi— and supposedly one of the richest countries in the world, so ioiiy— richest countries in the world, so badly managed, so badly ongonisoo— so badly managed, so badly organised that— so badly managed, so badly organised that we have folks ioiiono— organised that we have folks ioiiono mo— organised that we have folks believe me, you— organised that we have folks believe me, you heard it here insi— believe me, you heard it here iinsi. inono— believe me, you heard it here first. there will— believe me, you heard it here first. there will be over the noon— first. there will be over the noxi ion— first. there will be over the next few years, _ first. there will be over the next few years, a - first. there will be over the next few years, a major water onisis— next few years, a major water onisis coming— next few years, a major water crisis coming down the tracks ono— crisis coming down the tracks on inoy-ii— crisis coming down the tracks and they'll tell— crisis coming down the tracks and they'll tell you it's about gioioi— and they'll tell you it's about global warming. _ and they'll tell you it's about global warming. they'll tell you

it's global warming. they'll tell you its oioui— global warming. they'll tell you it's about climate— global warming. they'll tell you it's about climate change. nomoio.— it's about climate change. actually, it's— it's about climate change. actually, it's about the nonuioiion— actually, it's about the population explosion. now what? nuo-no— population explosion. now what? no-no noi— population explosion. now what? we're not drinking— population explosion. now what? we're not drinking water, of course , beer is— we're not drinking water, of course , beer is a very good course, beer is a very good onion— course, beer is a very good oniion .— course, beer is a very good oniion . nno— course, beer is a very good option . and what the farage option. and what the farage momom— option. and what the farage moment today— option. and what the farage moment today on that is that oxinoonoinony— moment today on that is that extraordinary plea. we have inononos— extraordinary plea. we have breweries and,— extraordinary plea. we have breweries and, you know, big ononos— breweries and, you know, big inonos ino— breweries and, you know, big brands like foster's , but also brands like foster's, but also not— brands like foster's, but also not known— brands like foster's, but also well known household bottled unions— well known household bottled iiiions ono— well known household bottled bitters and craftily what the nnonons— bitters and craftily what the brewers have _ bitters and craftily what the brewers have done is to reduce the brewers have done is to reduce ino oioonoi— brewers have done is to reduce the alcohol content of the beers so moi— the alcohol content of the beers so inoi inoy— the alcohol content of the beers so inoi inoy noy— the alcohol content of the beers so inoi inoy pay o— the alcohol content of the beers so that they pay a lower duty. inoi-s— so that they pay a lower duty. inoi-s non— so that they pay a lower duty. inoi-s ion in— so that they pay a lower duty. that's how it works. spirit manufacturers— that's how it works. spirit manufacturers obviously are paying— manufacturers obviously are noying ino— manufacturers obviously are paying the highest level of iuiy— paying the highest level of ouiy. so— paying the highest level of ouiy. so in— paying the highest level of ouiy. so in is— paying the highest level of duty, so it is called drink iniioiion— duty, so it is called drink inflation and— duty, so it is called drink inflation and i- duty, so it is called drink inflation and i think it's a bit of inflation and i think it's a bit oi o— inflation and i think it's a bit of a scandal.— inflation and i think it's a bit of a scandal. goodness me, inoy-no— of a scandal. goodness me, they're watering— of a scandal. goodness me, they're watering down the beer, nnoionon— they're watering down the beer, nnoionon ion— they're watering down the beer, whatever for next. _ they're watering down the beer, whatever for next. well the real nnoi— whatever for next. well the real no no— whatever for next. well the real what the farage _ whatever for next. well the real what the farage moment is wicks us what the farage moment is wicks us ino— what the farage moment is wicks us the household— what the farage moment is wicks us the household store and you go onono.— us the household store and you go inono. ins— us the household store and you go inono. is o— us the household store and you go there. it's a builder's merchants.— go there. it's a builder's merchants. but we often go there ourselves. don't— merchants. but we often go there ourselves. don't we,— merchants. but we often go there ourselves. don't we, to buy a noiniinusn— ourselves. don't we, to buy a noiniinusn on— ourselves. don't we, to buy a paintbrush or whatever it may be. paintbrush or whatever it may to ann— paintbrush or whatever it may be. and they're— paintbrush or whatever it may be. and they're chief operating

oiiioon— be. and they're chief operating officer fraser— be. and they're chief operating officer fraser london has said moi— officer fraser london has said inoi nons— officer fraser london has said that trans critical— officer fraser london has said that trans critical shoppers are not that trans critical shoppers are noi noiomo— that trans critical shoppers are not welcome to _ that trans critical shoppers are not welcome to branches of nionos— not welcome to branches of nionos .— not welcome to branches of wickes , which— not welcome to branches of wickes , which kind of means that wickes, which kind of means that unosis— wickes, which kind of means that mosis you— wickes, which kind of means that unless you think— wickes, which kind of means that unless you think it's fine for a oiono— unless you think it's fine for a iiono io— unless you think it's fine for a iiono io soy— unless you think it's fine for a bloke to say he's— unless you think it's fine for a bloke to say he's a woman and non— bloke to say he's a woman and mom nin— bloke to say he's a woman and mom nin o— bloke to say he's a woman and then win a swimming contest or a oyoiing— then win a swimming contest or a oyoiing soniou.— then win a swimming contest or a cycling contest, you— then win a swimming contest or a cycling contest, you can't go snooping— cycling contest, you can't go snooping in.— cycling contest, you can't go shopping in. wickes. well, we oooiooo— shopping in. wickes. well, we decided we'd— shopping in. wickes. well, we decided we'd do— shopping in. wickes. well, we decided we'd do something about it. decided we'd do something about ii-on— decided we'd do something about ii-on nons— decided we'd do something about ii-on nons is— decided we'd do something about it.-gb news is joe.- decided we'd do something about it. gb news is joe. casper it. and gb news is joe. casper noni— it. and gb news is joe. casper noni io— it. and gb news is joe. casper noni io ino— it. and gb news is joe. casper went to the muswell hill branch of went to the muswell hill branch oi onionos— went to the muswell hill branch oi nionos io— went to the muswell hill branch of wickes to ask— went to the muswell hill branch of wickes to ask customers nnoinon— of wickes to ask customers whether they'd _ of wickes to ask customers whether they'd shop at the diy siono— whether they'd shop at the diy siono ogoin— whether they'd shop at the diy siono ogoin .— whether they'd shop at the diy store again. no— whether they'd shop at the diy store again. no i— whether they'd shop at the diy store again . no i wouldn't. \i:::i store again. no i wouldn't. no, siiiy— store again. no i wouldn't. no, siiiy ming— store again. no i wouldn't. no, siiiy ining io— store again. no i wouldn't. no, silly thing to say,— store again. no i wouldn't. no, silly thing to say, really, isn't it? you would shop there ogoin— isn't it? you would shop there ogoin 7— isn't it? you would shop there ogoin onoon— isn't it? you would shop there again ? yeah, of— c 7 you would shop there again ? yeah, of course. yeah, again? yeah, of course. yeah, guiio— again? yeah, of course. yeah, quite happily-— again? yeah, of course. yeah, quite happily. yeah. i'm not a iigoi— quite happily. yeah. i'm not a iigoi ono— quite happily. yeah. i'm not a iigoi ono ino— quite happily. yeah. i'm not a bigot and i've got no no nnoiioms— bigot and i've got no no problems either way. i think inioo— problems either way. i think twice before— problems either way. i think twice before i— problems either way. i think twice before i do shop there. everybody has a place. no, of course i wouldn't shop there. now. everyone equal and now. everyone is equal and onoonony— now. everyone is equal and everyone should— now. everyone is equal and everyone should be allowed ononynnono— everyone should be allowed everywhere i him - everyone should be allowed everywhere him to everywhere by him to just ommoni— everywhere by him to just comment on— everywhere by him to just comment on sort of everywhere by him to just- comment on-sort of matters comment on these sort of matters . no-s— comment on these sort of matters . no-s no-s— comment on these sort of matters . no-s io-s ino— comment on these sort of matters . he's he's like in— comment on these sort of matters . he's he's like in a—

comment on these sort of matters . he's he's like in a building game. he should. do you know what i mean? not really. his opinions , you know what i mean? opinions, you know what i mean? just keeping to himself really. i don't think shops are anybody snouii— i don't think shops are anybody should -those- i don't think shops are anybody should those ideas . should get into those ideas. i i— should get into those ideas. i mean, i actually— should get into those ideas. i mean, i actually believe- should get into those ideas. i mean, i actually believe that women are women and i'm got no problem with trans people at all. but i think we have to be quite clear, you know, the difference between a woman and let them be in a safe space. you wouldn't shop at wickes? probably not if he felt like that. i mean, i welcome anybody who's gay or trans anything , but who's gay or trans anything, but i think people are allowed their own opinions and should be able to express them and not feel they have to shut up . oh dear. they have to shut up. oh dear. oh dear, oh dear.— they have to shut up. oh dear. oh dear, oh dear. the- u oh dear. oh dear, oh dear. the last poison— oh dear, oh dear. the last person we spoke to there said women are women. gosh that nouion-i— women are women. gosh that nouion-i go— women are women. gosh that wouldn't go down— women are women. gosh that wouldn't go down very well in oonoin— wouldn't go down very well in certain quarters— wouldn't go down very well in certain quarters now, it? certain quarters now, would it? go.— certain quarters now, would it? no. noi— certain quarters now, would it? no. noi in— certain quarters now, would it? no, not in 21st— certain quarters now, would it? no, not in 21st century britain. nno— no, not in 21st century britain. nno noi. — no, not in 21st century britain. and not. absolutely. and it's son— and not. absolutely. and it's son oi— and not. absolutely. and it's sort of turning— and not. absolutely. and it's sort of turning out tonight to be sort of turning out tonight to to o— sort of turning out tonight to to o iii— sort of turning out tonight to to o iii oi— sort of turning out tonight to

to o iii oi o— sort of turning out tonight to be a bit of a southie special iooouso— be a bit of a southie special because we're— be a bit of a southie special because we're going to go back to because we're going to go back io-sussoo.— because we're going to go back to .sussex, where - because we're going to go back to-sussex, where a- because we're going to go back to sussex, where a huge row to east sussex, where a huge row nos— to east sussex, where a huge row nsoo—— to east sussex, where a huge row has—over a school- to east sussex, where a huge row has—over a school in. has broken out over a school in nyo— has broken out over a school in nyo. nno— has broken out over a school in nyo. and in— has broken out over a school in nyo. mo in os— has broken out over a school in rye. and it was all— has broken out over a school in rye. and it was all over. one of ino— rye. and it was all over. one of no kios— rye. and it was all over. one of the kids wanting— rye. and it was all over. one of the kids wanting to— rye. and it was all over. one of the kids wanting to identify as a the kids wanting to identify as o ooi— the kids wanting to identify as o ooi .— the kids wanting to identify as o ooi . nno— the kids wanting to identify as a cat . and apparently that's a cat. and apparently that's oisoiuioiy— a cat. and apparently that's absolutely fine,— a cat. and apparently that's absolutely fine, according to ino— absolutely fine, according to no iooonon— absolutely fine, according to the teacher and— absolutely fine, according to the teacher and a 13 year old moi— the teacher and a 13 year old that questioned— the teacher and a 13 year old that questioned it was threatened— that questioned it was threatened with being kicked out of threatened with being kicked out oi ino— threatened with being kicked out oi ino smoot— threatened with being kicked out of the school. i— threatened with being kicked out of the school. i know it sounds moo.— of the school. i know it sounds moo. ii-s— of the school. i know it sounds moo. is non— of the school. i know it sounds mad. it's not april— of the school. i know it sounds mad. it's not april the 1st. i nnomiso— mad. it's not april the 1st. i nnomiso you— mad. it's not april the 1st. i promise you we'll do that story in iusi— promise you we'll do that story in iusi o— promise you we'll do that story in just a moment— promise you we'll do that story in just a moment .—

it was a church of england sonooi— it was a church of england sonooi in— it was a church of england school in rye,— it was a church of england school in rye, east sussex , a school in rye, east sussex, a nomoi— school in rye, east sussex, a rather beautiful— school in rye, east sussex, a rather beautiful little old mediaeval_ rather beautiful little old mediaeval town. but yes, at rye coiiogo.— mediaeval town. but yes, at rye coiiogo. o— mediaeval town. but yes, at rye coiiogo. o is— mediaeval town. but yes, at rye college, a 13 year— mediaeval town. but yes, at rye college, a 13 year old and her iniono— college, a 13 year old and her iniono nono— college, a 13 year old and her friend have been— college, a 13 year old and her friend have been in real nomoio.— friend have been in real trouble, actually, threat and oni— trouble, actually, threat and 0m ioing— trouble, actually, threat and obe being told— trouble, actually, threat and obe being told they might need to obe being told they might need no mono— obe being told they might need to move schools.— obe being told they might need to move schools. have a listen to move schools. have a listen io mis— to move schools. have a listen to this transcript—

to move schools. have a listen to this transcript of a teacher oni— to this transcript of a teacher on o— to this transcript of a teacher on o is— to this transcript of a teacher on o in yoon— to this transcript of a teacher and a 13 year old— to this transcript of a teacher and a 13 year old talking about gonoon— and a 13 year old talking about gender identity— and a 13 year old talking about gender identity . _ and a 13 year old talking about gender identity . s gender identity. i'll tell you, you— gender identity. i'll tell you, you just really upset someone saying things like, should be in an asylum. i i just didn't think if they want to identify how something then they're like genuinely on that. yeah that's crazy . you kristian niemietz crazy. you kristian niemietz there. i've been posing the question . i was just saying question. i was just saying about the gender. i ain't saying anything about them. there's only two genders. if you are talking about the fact that cis genderis talking about the fact that cis gender is the norm, that you identify with the gender, that with the sexual organs that you're born with or you're with, that's basically what you're saying. yeah. which really saying. yeah. which is really despicable. well, saying. yeah. which is really despicable . well, well done to despicable. well, well done to moi— despicable. well, well done to non is— despicable. well, well done to non in yoon— despicable. well, well done to that 13 year old— despicable. well, well done to that 13 year old girl— : f well, well done to that 13 year old girl for sioning— that 13 year old girl for sionoing up— that 13 year old girl for standing up to that bullying, nooioning— standing up to that bullying, hectoring teacher . and it all hectoring teacher. and it all nononoo— hectoring teacher. and it all happened because one of the gins— happened because one of the ginis-oioss— happened because one of the girls-class wants- happened because one of the girls class wants now to girls in the class wants now to iooniiiy— girls in the class wants now to identify-which - girls in the class wants now to identify which which identify as a cat, which which ino— identify as a cat, which which no oonon— identify as a cat, which which the other student— identify as a cat, which which the other student said they inougni— the other student said they inougni os— the other student said they

thought was absolutely crackers. and thought was absolutely crackers. nno sno— thought was absolutely crackers. nno sno nomoios— thought was absolutely crackers. and she perhaps wasn't well in the and she perhaps wasn't well in no nooo.— and she perhaps wasn't well in the head. well— and she perhaps wasn't well in the head. well how can you be non— the head. well how can you be not in— the head. well how can you be not in ino— the head. well how can you be well in the head— the head. well how can you be well in the head if— the head. well how can you be well in the head if you want to iooniiiy— well in the head if you want to iooniiiy os— well in the head if you want to iooniiiy os o— well in the head if you want to identify as a cat?— well in the head if you want to identify as a cat? this whole ming— identify as a cat? this whole ining is— identify as a cat? this whole ining is onozy— identify as a cat? this whole thing is crazy and actually inoso— thing is crazy and actually inoso nno— thing is crazy and actually those who preach tolerate this are now becoming the most inioiononi— are now becoming the most intolerant people of a lot threatening— intolerant people of a lot threatening a— intolerant people of a lot threatening a 13 year old. but nomoios— threatening a 13 year old. but nomoios ii— threatening a 13 year old. but perhaps it wasn't— threatening a 13 year old. but perhaps it wasn't the right sonooi— perhaps it wasn't the right sonooi ion— perhaps it wasn't the right school for her— perhaps it wasn't the right school for her is extraordinary. noii. — school for her is extraordinary. noii. im— school for her is extraordinary. well, i'm joined— school for her is extraordinary. well, i'm joined down the line by well, i'm joined down the line iy noiiio— well, i'm joined down the line by debbie hayton , who is by debbie hayton, who is a inonsgonoon— by debbie hayton, who is a transgender teacher and snooioion— transgender teacher and spectator columnist . debbie, i spectator columnist. debbie, i oony— spectator columnist. debbie, i was very amused— spectator columnist. debbie, i was very amused by a comment moi— was very amused by a comment inoi you— was very amused by a comment inoi you mooo— was very amused by a comment inoi you mooo .— was very amused by a comment that you made , which was along that you made, which was along the that you made, which was along ino iinos— that you made, which was along ino iinos oi— that you made, which was along ino iinos oi .— that you made, which was along the lines of, you— that you made, which was along the lines of , you know , the lines of, you know, mathematics- the lines of, you know, mathematics to 18 is one thing, but mathematics to 18 is one thing, iui noo— mathematics to 18 is one thing, but we're having— mathematics to 18 is one thing, but we're having a— mathematics to 18 is one thing, but we're having a bit of nouiio— but we're having a bit of trouble with— but we're having a bit of trouble with biology. why why was trouble with biology. why why moi— trouble with biology. why why was that teacher— trouble with biology. why why was that teacher debbie so inioiononi— was that teacher debbie so intolerant ? _ was that teacher debbie so intolerant ? ennis intolerant? well, people have been people have taken on all sorts of odd ideas . nigel, we've sorts of odd ideas. nigel, we've got children in schools who are identifying as cats, and really we should be helping these children understand themselves that they're not a cat, they're a human being . and yes , yes,

a human being. and yes, yes, yes, a human being. and yes, yes, yos. oi— a human being. and yes, yes, yos. oi ous— a human being. and yes, yes, yos. oi .— a human being. and yes, yes, yes, of course , that's- “bf"? 9 and yes, yes, yes, of course , that's right. yes, of course, that's right. gut.— yes, of course, that's right. nun. nui— yes, of course, that's right. nun. iui .— yes, of course, that's right. but, but , but— yes, of course, that's right. but, but, but why is it have we iosi— but, but, but why is it have we iosi ino— but, but, but why is it have we iosi ino iino— but, but, but why is it have we lost the line ?_ but, but, but why is it have we lost the line ? hang . on why is lost the line? hang. on why is it lost the line? hang. on why is in nny— lost the line? hang. on why is in nny is— lost the line? hang. on why is in nny is in— lost the line? hang. on why is it why is it that— lost the line? hang. on why is it why is it that that anybody in mis— it why is it that that anybody in this case,— it why is it that that anybody in this case, the— it why is it that that anybody in this case, the 13 year old, onyiooy— in this case, the 13 year old, onyiooy moi— in this case, the 13 year old, anybody that stands up , i in this case, the 13 year old, anybody that stands up, i mean, sunoiy— anybody that stands up, i mean, sunoiy ioooning— anybody that stands up, i mean, surely teaching i— anybody that stands up, i mean, surely teaching i mean, you're a ioooion— surely teaching i mean, you're a iooonon. sunoiy— surely teaching i mean, you're a teacher, surely teaching is oioui— teacher, surely teaching is about encouraging debate among young— about encouraging debate among young pebble— about encouraging debate among young pebble -_ about encouraging debate among young people . open, healthy young people. open, healthy ooiono— young people. open, healthy ooioio .— young people. open, healthy debate . what— young people. open, healthy debate . what seems to be going debate. what seems to be going on is— debate. what seems to be going on is we're shutting down debate and on is we're shutting down debate on soying— on is we're shutting down debate and we're saying to— on is we're shutting down debate and we're saying to young ooono.— and we're saying to young noonio. mis— and we're saying to young people, this is— and we're saying to young people, this is what you must mink.— people, this is what you must ininn. nno— people, this is what you must think. and anybody that guosiions— think. and anybody that questions it— think. and anybody that questions it better leave the sonooi— questions it better leave the sonooi . — questions it better leave the sonooi . nos.— questions it better leave the school . yes, this- questions it better leave the school . “4115 questions it better leave the school. v/iis questions it better leave the school . v/iis school. yes, this is not this is not tolerance. this is intolerance . this is setting intolerance. this is setting down ideas and if you do not follow these ideas, then you're a despicable person. the fact is that these really strange ideas have taken root in education and teachers really ought to know better than to than to propagate

it. but as teachers, what we're really struggling with is a lack of guidance from above. we're we're schools are often making making policy up. we've been waiting for guidance from the government for quite some time. it has been promised now. but the fact the fact is that we are not given the guidance that we need and that teachers have just gone completely astray on this idea. yeah, i mean, what sunak nos— idea. yeah, i mean, what sunak nos soio— idea. yeah, i mean, what sunak nos soio oo— idea. yeah, i mean, what sunak has said over the— : yeah, i mean, what sunak has said over the course of the iosi— has said over the course of the iosi ion— has said over the course of the iosi ion ooys— has said over the course of the last few days is— has said over the course of the last few days is that children snouio— last few days is that children snouii noi— last few days is that children should not be— last few days is that children should not be able to change inoin— should not be able to change inoin gonion— should not be able to change their gender identity without niinoui— their gender identity without niinoui ino — their gender identity without without the parents knowing insi— without the parents knowing iinsi. nno— without the parents knowing first. and that— without the parents knowing first. and that sounds to me iino— first. and that sounds to me iino goon— first. and that sounds to me like good common sense. parents ougni— like good common sense. parents ougni io— like good common sense. parents ougni no no— like good common sense. parents ougni io to non— like good common sense. parents ought to be part absolutely of mis— ought to be part absolutely of inis oguoiion— ought to be part absolutely of this equation .— ought to be part absolutely of this equation . but if it's given this equation. but if it's given . ooono.— this equation. but if it's given . noiiio. in— this equation. but if it's given , debbie, in just— this equation. but if it's given , debbie, in just the form of guiionoo— , debbie, in just the form of guioonoo. you— , debbie, in just the form of guidance, you know, my concern is onono— guidance, you know, my concern is inono ono— guidance, you know, my concern is inono nons— guidance, you know, my concern is there are parts of— guidance, you know, my concern is there are parts of the education— is there are parts of the education system that have been so ononono— education system that have been so ononono ny— education system that have been so overtake by the— education system that have been so overtake by the radical left moi— so overtake by the radical left inoi inoy— so overtake by the radical left that they simply— so overtake by the radical left that they simply won't listen .

that they simply won't listen. nou. — that they simply won't listen. nou. sonio— that they simply won't listen. well, some people— that they simply won't listen. well, some people won't- that they simply won't listen. well, some people won't listen, but people who people who have still got some grip of reality will at least have have a document which gives them the confidence to stick up their hands and say, we think there's something even something wrong here. but even the comments which you reported, the comments which you reported, the minister is the prime minister is establishing this idea that children do have a gender identity obe and even that is conjecture . rather, it's an idea conjecture. rather, it's an idea which is very new, is gender identity. nobody needs a gender identity. nobody needs a gender identity. and even to be actually explained, even even to suggest the idea is establishing this in as a fact. and i think that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, so no— that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, so no i.— that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, so no i. nno— that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, so do i. and thank— that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, so do i. and thank you- 3 yeah. no, debbie, so do i. and thank you very much iniooi— so do i. and thank you very much iniooi ion— so do i. and thank you very much indeed for joining— so do i. and thank you very much indeed forjoining me down the indeed for joining me down the iino— indeed for joining me down the iino io— indeed for joining me down the line to discuss— indeed for joining me down the line to discuss this today. and i line to discuss this today. and i oony— line to discuss this today. and i nony muon— line to discuss this today. and i very much hope— line to discuss this today. and i very much hope that this 13 yoon— i very much hope that this 13 yoon oio— i very much hope that this 13 yoon oii is— i very much hope that this 13 year old is able— i very much hope that this 13 year old is able to stay at rye coiiogo. — year old is able to stay at rye coiiogo. i— year old is able to stay at rye college. i really,— year old is able to stay at rye college. i really, really do. non.— college. i really, really do. non. ii-s— college. i really, really do. now, it's been— college. i really, really do. now, it's been a- college. i really, really do. now, it's been a busy day down in westminster— now, it's been a busy day down in westminster because, of course, parliament has been ooioiing— course, parliament has been ooioiing .— course, parliament has been ooioiing . un— course, parliament has been debating . uh, yes, of course . debating. uh, yes, of course. its— debating. uh, yes, of course. its ino— debating. uh, yes, of course. its no nonon— debating. uh, yes, of course. it's the report into boris ionnson— it's the report into boris ionnson .— it's the report into boris johnson . and- it's the report into boris johnson . and even though he's johnson. and even though he's gono— johnson. and even though he's gono oni— johnson. and even though he's gono ono no-s—

johnson. and even though he's gone and he's not— johnson. and even though he's gone and he's not in parliament, mono-s— gone and he's not in parliament, inono-s noon— gone and he's not in parliament, inono-s ioon o— gone and he's not in parliament, there's been a debate and i ooi— there's been a debate and i wonder whether— there's been a debate and i wonder whether there's actually going— wonder whether there's actually going io— wonder whether there's actually going io io— wonder whether there's actually going io to o— wonder whether there's actually going to be a vote. so jacob noos—nogg— going to be a vote. so jacob noos—nogg is— going to be a vote. so jacob rees—mogg is still there in noniiomoni— rees—mogg is still there in parliament working away. i'm going— parliament working away. i'm going io— parliament working away. i'm going io noni— parliament working away. i'm going to hold the fort here over the going to hold the fort here over ino ous— going to hold the fort here over the course of— going to hold the fort here over the course of the— going to hold the fort here over the course of the next hour, but ioooi— the course of the next hour, but iooon niii— the course of the next hour, but iooon niii p0p— the course of the next hour, but jacob will pop onto your screens as jacob will pop onto your screens os oiion— jacob will pop onto your screens os oiion os— jacob will pop onto your screens os oiion os no— jacob will pop onto your screens as often as he possibly can. ioooi— as often as he possibly can. ioooi nnoi-s— as often as he possibly can. jacob what's the _ as often as he possibly can. jacob what's the news? and will mis— jacob what's the news? and will this privileges— jacob what's the news? and will this privileges committee report go no— this privileges committee report go no o— this privileges committee report go io o nono— this privileges committee report go to a vote this— this privileges committee report go to a vote this evening . go to a vote this evening. i exposi— go to a vote this evening. i oxrooi mono— go to a vote this evening. i expect there will- go to a vote this evening. i expect there will be- go to a vote this evening. i expect there will be a- go to a vote this evening. i expect there will be a vote, but it will be a fake vote. that is to say, the labour party will vote and very few conservatives will. most conservatives will abstain. this process has not been a fair one. it hasn't treated boris johnson reasonably. and if you read the report, they just jumped to conclusions without having evidence for it. that's what people have been saying in the debate. people like me and other mps have been pointing out some of the routine in the of the routine errors in the report. but yeah, but of the routine errors in the report . but yeah, but jacob, of the routine errors in the report. but yeah, but jacob, i mooo— report. but yeah, but jacob, i moio ino— report. but yeah, but jacob, i made the point— report. but yeah, but jacob, i made the point to— ”iiiiiiix but yeah, but jacob, i made the point to you there ”iiiniit but yeah, but jacob, i made the point to you there were ioun— made the point to you there were four conservative— made the point to you there were four conservative mps on this

oomminoo— four conservative mps on this oommiiioo .— four conservative mps on this oommiiioo . — four conservative mps on this committee . you— four conservative mps on this committee . v/iii committee. you know, that's absolutely true. there were four conservative mps on the committee, but the report is always drafted by the chairman of the committee and i tried to get across the point to harriet harman herself that she should have followed the hoffmann principle and recused herself. she stood aside she should have stood aside because she was seen to be partial , she because she was seen to be partial, she said. some government had it government minister had said it was for her to do it, was all right for her to do it, but didn't say who. so that but she didn't say who. so that rather leaves question up in rather leaves the question up in the air. well, jacob, we'll find oun— the air. well, jacob, we'll find oui nnoi— the air. well, jacob, we'll find oui no no— the air. well, jacob, we'll find out what the -of- the air. well, jacob, we'll find out what the -of all- ” well, jacob, we'll find out what the of all that out what the result of all that is ioion. — out what the result of all that is later. you'll— out what the result of all that is later. you'll be— out what the result of all that is later. you'll be joining us ino— is later. you'll be joining us over the course— is later. you'll be joining us over the course of the next hour iino— over the course of the next hour iino inom — over the course of the next hour live from westminster. i'll be noon— live from westminster. i'll be noon on— live from westminster. i'll be noon oi ino— live from westminster. i'll be back at the top— live from westminster. i'll be back at the top of the hour. but for back at the top of the hour. but ion no— back at the top of the hour. but ion non-nono— back at the top of the hour. but for now,-have a— back at the top of the hour. but for now,-have a-at. for now, let's have a look at ino— for now, let's have a look at no on— for now, let's have a look at the all important- for now, let's have a look at the all important weather . hi the all important weather. hi inono. — the all important weather. hi there. .aidan_ the all important weather. hi there. .aidan magee- the all important weather. hi there. ' ji�*i�*iifigiiiiii: there. it's aidan magee ivan here from the met office with the gb news forecast. today's showers, where _ the gb news forecast. today's showers, where they- cit v i today's showers, where they have occurred will— showers, where they have occurred will ease for a time ononnigni.— occurred will ease for a time overnight, turning drier the overnight, turning drier in the non.— overnight, turning drier in the mom—soun- overnight, turning drier in thei north,_south. that's north, but further south. that's nnono— north, but further south. that's nnono ino— north, but further south. that's where the next— north, but further south. that's where the next area of rain or even some thunderstorms turns up ononnigni. — even some thunderstorms turns up ononnigni. inis— even some thunderstorms turns up overnight. this weather system coming— overnight. this weather system ooming oun— overnight. this weather system ooming oui oi— overnight. this weather system coming out of the— overnight. this weather system coming out of the continent will nusn— coming out of the continent will nusn un— coming out of the continent will nusn up somo— coming out of the continent will push up some heavy and

ponsisioni— push up some heavy and persistent rain- push up some heavy and persistent rain by midnight into souinonn— persistent rain by midnight into southern areas— persistent rain by midnight into southern areas .— persistent rain by midnight into southern areas . whilst further southern areas. whilst further nonn— southern areas. whilst further nonn. ino— southern areas. whilst further north, the rain— southern areas. whilst further north, the rain clears and the nsoos— north, the rain clears and the showers disappear. so that sooiiono.— showers disappear. so that scotland, northern ireland, much of scotland, northern ireland, much oi nonnom— scotland, northern ireland, much of northern england, sees dry ono— of northern england, sees dry on oioon— of northern england, sees dry and clear weather overnight . but and clear weather overnight. but across southwest— and clear weather overnight. but across southwest england , south across southwest england, south noos.— across southwest england, south noios. moi-s— across southwest england, south wales, that's where the heaviest ono— wales, that's where the heaviest ono mono— wales, that's where the heaviest and more persistent rain will be by ionm— and more persistent rain will be by town .— and more persistent rain will be by dawn . temperatures here, by dawn. temperatures here, inougn.— by dawn. temperatures here, inougn. hug— by dawn. temperatures here, though, held up— by dawn. temperatures here, though, held up because of the muggy— though, held up because of the muggy oin— though, held up because of the muggy is.— though, held up because of the muggy io. ii— though, held up because of the muggy air. 16,17 celsius in niooos. — muggy air. 16, 17 celsius in niooos. insi— muggy air. 16,17 celsius in places. first thing, but a wet sion— places. first thing, but a wet sion ion— places. first thing, but a wet start for wales— places. first thing, but a wet start for wales ,_ places. first thing, but a wet start for wales , the south—west, start for wales, the south—west, oni— start for wales, the south—west, on non— start for wales, the south—west, on non somo— start for wales, the south—west, and then some heavy showers onnooning— and then some heavy showers onooning ion— and then some heavy showers appearing for southeast england inougn— appearing for southeast england innougn ino— appearing for southeast england through the morning as well. all of through the morning as well. all oi mis— through the morning as well. all oi inis moos— through the morning as well. all of this moves quickly northwards.- of this moves quickly northwards. so it does dry up in the northwards. so it does dry up in no souin— northwards. so it does dry up in the south whilst— northwards. so it does dry up in the south whilst northern ingioni.— the south whilst northern england, southern scotland turns iomo— england, southern scotland turns iomo ny— england, southern scotland turns damp iy ino— england, southern scotland turns damp by the afternoon away from the damp by the afternoon away from no moin— damp by the afternoon away from no onoo— damp by the afternoon away from the main area of— damp by the afternoon away from the main area of rain. damp by the afternoon away from the main area of rain . it's the main area of rain. it's sunny— the main area of rain. it's sunny spons— the main area of rain. it's sunny spells and heavy oonnnouns.— sunny spells and heavy downpours, hit and miss showers . nui— downpours, hit and miss showers . nun nnono— downpours, hit and miss showers . but where these— downpours, hit and miss showers . but where these do occur, osnooioiiy— . but where these do occur, especially towards east and souinoosi— especially towards east and southeast england, could be some serious thunderstorms, some iignining— serious thunderstorms, some iignining oni— serious thunderstorms, some lightning and some hail and iongo— lightning and some hail and large amounts— lightning and some hail and large amounts of rain in a short snooo— large amounts of rain in a short snooo oi— large amounts of rain in a short snooo oi oimo.— large amounts of rain in a short space of time. they don't last noo— space of time. they don't last ioo iong— space of time. they don't last ioo iong inno— space of time. they don't last too long into the— space of time. they don't last too long into the evening. by miinigni— too long into the evening. by miinigni .— too long into the evening. by mionigni . ii—

too long into the evening. by midnight, it looks like most niooos— midnight, it looks like most piooos niii— midnight, it looks like most places will turn— midnight, it looks like most places will turn drier and oioonon— places will turn drier and clearer-again.- places will turn drier and clearer again. despite the clearer once again. despite the noon— clearer once again. despite the oioon skios— clearer once again. despite the clear skies, though, it's onoinon— clear skies, though, it's another warmer than average migni— another warmer than average night temperatures in the night with temperatures in the souin— night with temperatures in the souin-oi— night with temperatures in the souin -oi ino - night with temperatures in the south -at the mid - night with temperatures in the south at the mid teens south staying at the mid teens in ino— south staying at the mid teens in no nonn— south staying at the mid teens in the north. 1314— south staying at the mid teens in the north. 1314 celsius gononoiiy— in the north. 1314 celsius gononoiiy .— in the north. 1314 celsius generally . and it's a damp start generally. and it's a damp start for generally. and it's a damp start ion snoiioni.— generally. and it's a damp start for shetland. first— generally. and it's a damp start for shetland. first thing noonosioy.— for shetland. first thing wednesday, but otherwise plenty of wednesday, but otherwise plenty oi sunsnino— wednesday, but otherwise plenty of sunshine first— wednesday, but otherwise plenty of sunshine first and of sunshine first thing and noti— of sunshine first thing and no-ii-inoi— of sunshine first thing and we'll that sunny outlook we'll keep that sunny outlook going— we'll keep that sunny outlook going-ino— we'll keep that sunny outlook going the afternoon, i going into the afternoon, i mink.— going into the afternoon, i min. in— going into the afternoon, i think, in many— going into the afternoon, i think, in many places. but nsoos— think, in many places. but nos in— think, in many places. but showers in western scotland, nonnom— showers in western scotland, northern ireland, western ingioni— northern ireland, western ingiono ono— northern ireland, western england and wales will develop ioiniy— england and wales will develop ioiniy-ino— england and wales will develop fairly the afternoon . fairly widely by the afternoon. agoin. — fairly widely by the afternoon. agoin. nin— fairly widely by the afternoon. agoin. nii oni— fairly widely by the afternoon. again, hit and miss downpours, ooo— again, hit and miss downpours, ooo-oi— again, hit and miss downpours, ooo-oi-on- again, hit and miss downpours, ooo-oi-on ononi odd rumble of thunder or even noi— odd rumble of thunder or even some hail possible in some of inoso— some hail possible in some of these showers.— some hail possible in some of these showers. some areas will mis— these showers. some areas will miss—inunsioyl miss them entirely. thursday onomoi— miss them entirely. thursday onomoi-oi— miss them entirely. thursday another of sunny spells and another day of sunny spells and showers,-turning_ another day of sunny spells and showers, turning hotter showers, but turning hotter iooon— showers, but turning hotter ioion mis— showers, but turning hotter later this week— showers, but turning hotter later this week .

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