commons. there they are. yes. they-ve— commons. there they are. yes. they-ve been— commons. there they are. yes. they've been talking about it all day.— they've been talking about it all day. mps— they've been talking about it all day. mps are— they've been talking about it all day. mps are deciding whether— all day. mps are deciding whether-to- all day. mps are deciding whether to sanction the whether or not to sanction the former— whether or not to sanction the former prime— whether or not to sanction the former prime minister after the privileges— former prime minister after the privileges committee found he repeatedly— privileges committee found he repeatedly-the- privileges committee found he repeatedly the house of repeatedly misled the house of commons. number ten, saying rushi— commons. number ten, saying rism sunak— commons. number ten, saying rishi sunak is— commons. number ten, saying rishi sunak is skipping this debate— rishi sunak is skipping this debate because he doesn't want to influence— debate because he doesn't want to influence the— debate because he doesn't want to influence the decision of mps . we— to influence the decision of mps . we saw— to influence the decision of mps . we the— to influence the decision of mps . we saw the former prime minister— . we saw the former prime minister theresa may stand up earner— minister theresa may stand up earlier in— minister theresa may stand up earlier in the— minister theresa may stand up earlier in the chamber today saying— earlier in the chamber today saying the— earlier in the chamber today saying the report will be a small— saying the report will be a small but— saying the report will be a small but important step in restoring— small but important step in restoring people's trust in politics. — restoring people's trust in politics. |_ restoring people's trust in politics. | will- restoring people's trust in politics. a " restoring people's trust in politics. cc " ” politics. i will vote in favour of the report of the privileges committee . i urge all members of committee. i urge all members of this house to do so to uphold standards in public life , to standards in public life, to show that we all recognise the responsibility we have to the people we serve , and to help to people we serve, and to help to restore faith in our parliamentary democracy . well, parliamentary democracy. well, the metropolitan police is looking into three potential breaches of covid regulations between june 2020 and may 2021,

a downing street and a chequers that's after the sunday mirror obtained video footage apparently showing conservative staff partying during the pandemic and joking about lockdown restrictions as again, rishi sunak saying he doesn't want to get involved and interfere with matters . now we interfere with matters. now we have some breaking— now we have some breaking news coming to us— have some breaking news coming to us here— have some breaking news coming to us here ee— have some breaking news coming to us here at gb— have some breaking news coming to us here at gb news. a british ee— to us here at gb news. a british man is believed— to us here at gb news. a british man is believed to— to us here at gb news. a british man is believed to be among these— man is believed to be among those aboard— man is believed to be among those aboard a— man is believed to be among those aboard a submarine that's gene— those aboard a submarine that's gene mesme— those aboard a submarine that's gene nieeing g..— those aboard a submarine that's gone missing in the north meanne— gone missing in the north atlantic ocean— gone missing in the north atlantic ocean on its way to wew— atlantic ocean on its way to ene — atlantic ocean on its way to view the wreckage of the famous newne— view the wreckage of the famous mane .— view the wreckage of the famous mane . we— view the wreckage of the famous titanic . we understand the us titanic. we understand the us new— titanic. we understand the us town gm.— titanic. we understand the us tour firm oceangate has confirmed— tour firm oceangate has confirmed one- tour firm oceangate has confirmed one of its vessels and nneeng— confirmed one of its vessels and crew are missing in— confirmed one of its vessels and crew are missing in the ocean , crew are missing in the ocean, and— crew are missing in the ocean, and e— crew are missing in the ocean, and a man— crew are missing in the ocean, and a man certainly posted on seen— and a man certainly posted on seen newe— and a man certainly posted on social media in— and a man certainly posted on social media in the last few newe— social media in the last few days newng— social media in the last few days asking for— social media in the last few days asking for prayers for his eeenneenen — days asking for prayers for his stepfather. that— days asking for prayers for his stepfather. that person has been named— stepfather. that person has been named by— stepfather. that person has been named by ny— stepfather. that person has been named by my relatives as hamish. he named by my relatives as hamish. we weeding. — named by my relatives as hamish. we weeding. ane— named by my relatives as hamish. he harding. and we— named by my relatives as hamish. he harding. and we understand

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showed to you. well, the result of all of this that 3000 of all of this is that 3000 people have crossed the channel over the course of the last ten days. and from wednesday of this week onwards , it's going to be week onwards, it's going to be flat calm for perhaps up to a week. so we can expect another two, three, 4000 to come over that period of time . but there that period of time. but there is an even bigger issue and bigger problem . and this weekend bigger problem. and this weekend we're focussed on a tragedy and thatis we're focussed on a tragedy and that is a migrant boat coming across the mediterranean has sunk. it is suspected that up to 500 odd people , all are dead or 500 odd people, all are dead or missing. 100 of them children or infants. and it's really dodi, i think, you know, taking some big headunes think, you know, taking some big headlines over the course of this weekend to make people think, well, this is awful. it's terrible . and the blame game is terrible. and the blame game is going on. you know, did the greek coastguard do enough? why were other commercial vessels that were in that part of the

mediterranean, why were they not alerted to the fact that for many, many hours as this boat, this fishing boat, was basically motionless and you see a picture of it there on your screens , of it there on your screens, crammed with hundreds and hundreds of people. so there is a very big blame game going on. but i think they're all wrong . but i think they're all wrong. and bear in mind that those that cross the english channel nearly always are those that previously have crossed the mediterranean . have crossed the mediterranean. but i think to blame the greeks is crazy and it's wrong . and is crazy and it's wrong. and i'll tell you where the blame lies in 2015, when the first boats started crossing the mediterranean, john claude juncker, who was in charge of the european commission, put in place the eu's refugee and asylum plans. they basically said that anyone that sets foot on eu soil could stay. and i said at the time, and i said it again and again in speeches in the european parliament, if you

allow this policy to go forward from here, there will be millions of people that come and i said many, many people will die as a result. well now, since all of that started in the first boats started to arrive in 2014, it is estimated and wait for this, it is estimated said that 27, 1000 thousand people have drowned in the mediterranean. thatis drowned in the mediterranean. that is a truly horrendous figure and it puts the 500 that have been lost over the course of this week end into, i think, some some sort of context . the some some sort of context. the main reason people are moving across the med is because they're coming from poorer countries to rich countries . but countries to rich countries. but if the qualification for refugee status for claiming asylum is because you come from somewhere that's poor, then by my reckoning, somewhere between four and 5 billion people in the world would qualify. now that doesn't mean they're all going

to come, but it does mean that unless we rethink all of this, we could be facing a problem that literally be totally engulfs the european continent. and in turn us as well. engulfs the european continent. and in turn us as well . so is and in turn us as well. so is mass migration an inevitability? give me your thoughts, farage at gb news .com because this is a major, major inaya national issue. my feeling is that that the richer european countries simply can't take unlimited numbers of people and we have to get to a point and we've seen some of this where the greeks have been doing push back. and in italy some people have been arrested, put in handcuffs and sent to north africa. sent back to north africa. europe is going to have to do and we, too, are going to have to do what the australians did and say actually to qualify and to say actually to qualify as a refugee , you genuinely have as a refugee, you genuinely have to be in fear of your life and your liberty as a result of who your liberty as a result of who you are or what you believe in. poverty i don't think is enough

. i'm joined by nigel nelson, gb news, senior political commentator , and . nigel, 3000 commentator, and. nigel, 3000 have come in the last ten days. now last week i can confidently predict be another 3000. the legislation that is slowly going through westminster. i mean, nothing is going to change this side of the autumn, is it? no it's not. i mean, the rwanda wing— it's not. i mean, the rwanda enng enge— it's not. i mean, the rwanda thing that even— it's not. i mean, the rwanda thing that even if— it's not. i mean, the rwanda thing that even if it- c i mean, the rwanda thing that even if it gets ennewgn— thing that even if it gets through the— thing that even if it gets through the courts, it's not going— through the courts, it's not going ee— through the courts, it's not going we wake— through the courts, it's not going to take off until at least september— going to take off until at least september either. and what we're seeing— september either. and what we're seeing is— september either. and what we're seeing n-w-e— september either. and what we're seeing is-it's good- september either. and what we're seeing is it's good weather seeing is that it's good weather enn— seeing is that it's good weather enee aways— seeing is that it's good weather that always makes people cross the that always makes people cross ene cnennen — that always makes people cross the channel. so— that always makes people cross the channel. so as— that always makes people cross the channel. so as as the the channel. so as long as the weeenen— the channel. so as long as the weeenen stays— the channel. so as long as the weather stays okay, you'll see ene— weather stays okay, you'll see more and more— weather stays okay, you'll see more and more people coming ene— more and more people coming across the summer. difficult one for new. — across the summer. difficult one for rishi. he's— across the summer. difficult one for rishi. he's put— across the summer. difficult one for rishi. he's put this- across the summer. difficult one for rishi. jg for rishi. he's put this big pledge to stop the boats. the speech in dover was an absolute pleasure. stop the boats. stop the pleasure. stop the boats. stop ene newe- — pleasure. stop the boats. stop the boats. all— pleasure. stop the boats. stop the boats. all the— ”cl stop the boats. stop the boats. / the boats. all the boats. yeah. not the numbers. stop the not reduce the numbers. stop the boats. not a cat's boats. yeah which not a cat's chance hell of that. i chance in hell of that. i wouldn't have thought labour's position on i mean, corbyn position on this. i mean, corbyn was remove all barriers and was just remove all barriers and we're citizens of the world. we're all citizens of the world. i'm where starmer

i'm not quite sure where starmer is this. well, i mean, they is on this. well, i mean, they need— is on this. well, i mean, they need we— is on this. well, i mean, they need we ge— is on this. well, i mean, they need to go further,- well, i mean, they need to go further, but at the mement— need to go further, but at the moment ene— need to go further, but at the moment the starmer is that moment the starmer view is that you moment the starmer view is that wen-ene— moment the starmer view is that wen-we backlog— moment the starmer view is that you the backlog down of you get the backlog down of asylum— you get the backlog down of. newwn—neeuw asylum seekers, which is really important— asylum seekers, which is really innenene .— asylum seekers, which is really innennnn . ven— asylum seekers, which is really important . you also proper important. you also have proper eeewenene— important. you also have proper settlement schemes. he also newe— settlement schemes. he also news anew— settlement schemes. he also talks about the _ settlement schemes. he also talks about the idea of ennwnnng— talks about the idea of disrupting the smuggling gangs , disrupting the smuggling gangs, but disrupting the smuggling gangs, tent in— disrupting the smuggling gangs, but in fairness,— disrupting the smuggling gangs, but in fairness, so— disrupting the smuggling gangs, but in fairness, so does rishi swnen. — but in fairness, so does rishi sunak. -actually. sunak. so that is actually happening— sunak. so that is actually happening .— sunak. so that is actually happening . but the idea would be happening. but the idea would be i happening. but the idea would be unne— happening. but the idea would be weninw enn— happening. but the idea would be | think that the— happening. but the idea would be i think that the most interesting- i think that the most interesting one, which labour newe— interesting one, which labour have-fleshed— interesting one, which labour have fleshed there yet, have not fleshed out there yet, is-settlement- have not fleshed out there yet, is settlement scheme is a proper settlement scheme wneeew— is a proper settlement scheme unless-ene— is a proper settlement scheme unless are ukrainian , afghan unless you are ukrainian, afghan or unless you are ukrainian, afghan en nengnengen— unless you are ukrainian, afghan en nengnengen .— unless you are ukrainian, afghan or hongkonger , there is no legal or hongkonger, there is no legal newe— or hongkonger, there is no legal newee ee— or hongkonger, there is no legal route to conne— or hongkonger, there is no legal route to come to— or hongkonger, there is no legal route to come to this country . route to come to this country. and— route to come to this country. and wowe— route to come to this country. and you're absolutely right in wet— and you're absolutely right in we wen— and you're absolutely right in we you we— and you're absolutely right in what you just said, being poor is new— what you just said, being poor is new a— what you just said, being poor is new a geog— what you just said, being poor is not a good enough reason to enn— is not a good enough reason to claim asylum.— is not a good enough reason to claim asylum. you— is not a good enough reason to claim asylum. you have to be in genuine— claim asylum. you have to be in genuine fenn— claim asylum. you have to be in genuine fear of— claim asylum. you have to be in genuine fear of your life or wow— genuine fear of your life or yew ewew. — genuine fear of your life or your safety. yeah and of course, you— your safety. yeah and of course, wen knew— your safety. yeah and of course, you know what? _ your safety. yeah and of course, you know what? �*vw�*nz; gii’ c you know what? we get? it is a fraction of what the continent of europe is seeing. and numbers into italy this so far, this year have trebled. i mean, that's my debate tonight. is mass migration inevitable or can the european nations stop it ?

the european nations stop it? well, i mean, i think that it's a well, i mean, i think that it's e gwenw— well, i mean, i think that it's a global problem. it's not just europe— a global problem. it's not just europe .— a global problem. it's not just even europe , but— a global problem. it's not just even europe , but europe dealing even europe, but europe dealing ween— even europe, but europe dealing win it.— even europe, but europe dealing win in were— even europe, but europe dealing with it. we're talking 100 with it. we're talking about 100 people— with it. we're talking about 100. people—are people or 100 million people are are move throughout the are on the move throughout the werew— are on the move throughout the wene. new,— are on the move throughout the wene. wew en— are on the move throughout the world. now, of those, about 40 nwwen— world. now, of those, about 40 nimen ee— world. now, of those, about 40 million are internally displaced. _ million are internally displaced. so they're not wwww— displaced. so they're not actually trying to to other actually trying to get to other eewnwee— actually trying to get to other countries is.— actually trying to get to other countries is. every refugee countries is. but every refugee sewe— countries is. but every refugee wane ew— countries is. but every refugee wane ewe ee— countries is. but every refugee starts out as an— countries is. but every refugee starts out as an asylum seeker, wenewgn— starts out as an asylum seeker, wenewgn nee— starts out as an asylum seeker, although not all— starts out as an asylum seeker, although not all asylum seekers are although not all asylum seekers refugees— although not all asylum seekers nefwgeee .— although not all asylum seekers are refugees . so— although not all asylum seekers are refugees . so it's important are refugees. so it's important to are refugees. so it's important we ween— are refugees. so it's important we were ew— are refugees. so it's important to work out which— are refugees. so it's important to work out which is which. if you— to work out which is which. if wen ewe— to work out which is which. if wen we we— to work out which is which. if wen we in ne— to work out which is which. if you take it as a— to work out which is which. if you take it as a global problem, i winn— you take it as a global problem, i new enw— you take it as a global problem, | think that that— you take it as a global problem, | think that that it— you take it as a global problem, i think that that it should be people— i think that that it should be people enewe— i think that that it should be people should be taken from un eetwenent— people should be taken from un settlement camps— people should be taken from un settlement camps rather than nwe— settlement camps rather than nwe te— settlement camps rather than have to cross— settlement camps rather than have to cross the— settlement camps rather than have to cross the channel to apply— have to cross the channel to apply fen— have to cross the channel to apply for asylum _ have to cross the channel to apply for asylum or the mediterranean for that matter. ween.— mediterranean for that matter. yeah. wherever— mediterranean for that matter. yeah. wherever they're coming wen.— yeah. wherever they're coming wen. ew— yeah. wherever they're coming wen. new if— yeah. wherever they're coming from. but if there— yeah. wherever they're coming from. but if there is somewhere at from. but if there is somewhere w we— from. but if there is somewhere at the moment— from. but if there is somewhere at the moment that the asylum law at the moment that the asylum wew ewe— at the moment that the asylum wew ewe tnw— at the moment that the asylum law says that if— at the moment that the asylum law says that if you want to claim — law says that if you want to claim asylum _ law says that if you want to claim asylum ,_ law says that if you want to claim asylum , say, in this claim asylum, say, in this eewnww— claim asylum, say, in this eewnww-te- claim asylum, say, in this country,-to be. claim asylum, say, in thisi country,-to be on country, you have to be on men— country, you have to be on british soil,— country, you have to be on british soil, that- country, you have to be on british soil, that encourages people— british soil, that encourages people te— british soil, that encourages people to cross— british soil, that encourages people to cross the channel. new— people to cross the channel. now we— people to cross the channel. now we eu— people to cross the channel. now this all links— people to cross the channel. now this all links in,- people to cross the channel. now this all links in, of- now this all links in, of course, both illegal immigration, plus the huge numbers of legal migrants coming to britain and we've discussed

before places we've before school places we've discussed before, you know , the discussed before, you know, the problems with getting gp appointments, etcetera . yeah, appointments, etcetera. yeah, i'm speculate later on i'm going to speculate later on in that water is the in this hour that water is the next major problem that we face. no reservoirs built 30 no big reservoirs built for 30 years, parts of kent and sussex running out of water, but housing sort of housing another sort of conservative rishi pledge that we hear over the course of the weekend that britons will be prioritised for council housing because the waiting list is now 1.2 million. an frank field, former labour mp has said the number of migrants being put in council housing is an absolute scandal . do you think they'll scandal. do you think they'll actually do it ? well, i mean, actually do it? well, i mean, we— actually do it? well, i mean, we met— actually do it? well, i mean, the first thing— actually do it? well, i mean, the first thing you've- f w:wi:w fl well, i mean, the first thing you've got f w:w:tw fl well, i mean, the first thing you've got to do is the first thing you've got to do ie eewww— the first thing you've got to do is actually build— the first thing you've got to do is actually build houses because tnw— is actually build houses because tnw wewwe— is actually build houses because that would deal— is actually build houses because that would deal with those eeww— that would deal with those social housing— that would deal with those social housing waiting lists tnw— social housing waiting lists that mentioned of 1.2 that you mentioned of 1.2 niwen— that you mentioned of 1.2 million there. _ that you mentioned of 1.2 million there. and that's disgraceful. _ million there. and that's disgraceful. well, mean, i do disgraceful. well, i mean, i do winn— disgraceful. well, i mean, i do wink-wet— disgraceful. well, i mean, i do think-that brits- think that that that brits enewwe— think that that that brits enewwe ne— think that that that brits should be prioritised in ennwnwe— should be prioritised in ennwnwe .— should be prioritised in principle . well, but also you principle. well, but also you we— principle. well, but also you take it— principle. well, but also you take it in— principle. well, but also you take it in terms— principle. well, but also you take it in terms of need. i winn— take it in terms of need. i wink tnw— take it in terms of need. i think that that's the other

gent— think that that's the other neine tnewe— think that that's the other point there that it's no point peeing— point there that it's no point nwewng e— point there that it's no point putting a couple in a six bedroomed_ putting a couple in a six bedroomed house if you happen to nwe— bedroomed house if you happen to nwe e— bedroomed house if you happen to nwe e nigwent— bedroomed house if you happen to have a migrant family who've got six have a migrant family who've got ew wee— have a migrant family who've got ew wee ene— have a migrant family who've got six kids and you— have a migrant family who've got six kids and you need that six neween— six kids and you need that six bedroom house,— six kids and you need that six bedroom house, there's one near wnewe— bedroom house, there's one near wnewe wen— bedroom house, there's one near wnewe wen ene— bedroom house, there's one near wnewe wen and w— bedroom house, there's one near where you and i both live where a where you and i both live where e swnw— where you and i both live where eswnen fanny— where you and i both live where a syrian family were put in neewee— a syrian family were put in because the— a syrian family were put in because the council hadn't been ewe— because the council hadn't been ewe te— because the council hadn't been ewe te wet— because the council hadn't been able to let the— because the council hadn't been able to let the house for a ween— able to let the house for a wew. w— able to let the house for a wew. n we— able to let the house for a wew. we e— able to let the house for a year. it was a six bedroomed nee— year. it was a six bedroomed nee they— year. it was a six bedroomed house. they didn't have anyone ewwwwe— house. they didn't have anyone ewwwwwe te— house. they didn't have anyone suitable to move— house. they didn't have anyone suitable to move in there was an ewew— suitable to move in there was an eweew ieeww— suitable to move in there was an outcry locally when _ suitable to move in there was an outcry locally when syrian wefwgeee— outcry locally when syrian refugees moved in. now everyone's happy so need is eewww— everyone's happy so need is eewww en— everyone's happy so need is actually an important part of it. actually an important part of w. ew— actually an important part of i. new it— actually an important part of it. but it doesn't— actually an important part of it. but it doesn't mean i mean if wewwe— it. but it doesn't mean i mean if you're sitting— it. but it doesn't mean i mean if you're sitting on— it. but it doesn't mean i mean if you're sitting on the housing wwwng— if you're sitting on the housing wwwng wet— if you're sitting on the housing waiting list for— if you're sitting on the housing waiting list for two, three, fewe— waiting list for two, three, few we — waiting list for two, three, four, five years,- waiting list for two, three, four, five years, those are the people— four, five years, those are the ww“! wne — four, five years, those are the people who should go to the top of people who should go to the top ef w. — people who should go to the top ef w. wigew— people who should go to the top of it. nigel nelson, thank you very— of it. nigel nelson, thank you very nwen— of it. nigel nelson, thank you very much indeed. “cit: very much indeed. i'm joined newn— very much indeed. i'm joined down the line from westminster by moyle, by lloyd russell moyle, member of labour of course, of parliament, labour of course, for brighton kemptown and peacehaven lloyd , good evening. peacehaven lloyd, good evening. thank you for joining peacehaven lloyd, good evening. thank you forjoining us. rishi thank you for joining us. rishi sunak you know, this big pledge of stop the boats and he's in a

bit of trouble over this with 3000 coming in the last ten days. i've got to ask what would labour do about this ? well, i labour do about this? well, i think you've heard— ” w:w:tw 57 well, i think you've heard there a ” w:w:tw 37 well, i think you've heard there a bit wnew— think you've heard there a bit about labour— think you've heard there a bit about labour would ensure that tnewe— about labour would ensure that tnewe we— about labour would ensure that there are some— about labour would ensure that there are some safe and legal wegiwnwe— there are some safe and legal legitimate routes— there are some safe and legal legitimate routes for people to ene— legitimate routes for people to and w— legitimate routes for people to come and it does— legitimate routes for people to come and it does then mean you ne— come and it does then mean you ne gwenew— come and it does then mean you can be quicker in— come and it does then mean you can be quicker in sending people ween— can be quicker in sending people been wnen— can be quicker in sending people back when they've— can be quicker in sending people back when they've either already ennwee— back when they've either already ennwee ene— back when they've either already applied and failed— back when they've either already applied and failed or , or that applied and failed or, or that you— applied and failed or, or that wew nwe— applied and failed or, or that wew nwe we— applied and failed or, or that you have the capacity then in eewnww— you have the capacity then in eewnww te— you have the capacity then in country to send— you have the capacity then in country to send them back. one of country to send them back. one ef we— country to send them back. one ef we nig— country to send them back. one of the big problems that we have at of the big problems that we have w we— of the big problems that we have at the moment— of the big problems that we have at the moment is— of the big problems that we have at the moment is people come en we— at the moment is people come over on the boats— at the moment is people come over on the boats and then they nignt— over on the boats and then they nigne wengwen— over on the boats and then they might languish for— over on the boats and then they might languish for a year or wengew— might languish for a year or even longer to— might languish for a year or even longer to get a decision nwe— even longer to get a decision made en— even longer to get a decision made on their— even longer to get a decision made on their behalf. and in tnw— made on their behalf. and in tnw wne— made on their behalf. and in that time they— made on their behalf. and in that time they course, that time they have, of course, eww— that time they have, of course, eww-e— that time they have, of course, eww-e ewwn— that time they have, of course, built-a claim for— that time they have, of course, built a claim for family life built up a claim for family life ene— built up a claim for family life and few— built up a claim for family life and few we— built up a claim for family life and for life in— built up a claim for family life and for life in the— built up a claim for family life and for life in the uk and of course wouldn't— and for life in the uk and of course wouldn't we all be able to course wouldn't we all be able te ee— course wouldn't we all be able te we tnw— course wouldn't we all be able te we tnw n— course wouldn't we all be able to do that if we— course wouldn't we all be able to do that if we stayed somewhere— to do that if we stayed somewhere over a year? so it neede— somewhere over a year? so it neeee te— somewhere over a year? so it neeee e be— somewhere over a year? so it needs to be justice, but it neede— needs to be justice, but it neeee te— needs to be justice, but it needs to be— needs to be justice, but it needs to be quick and that's wnw— needs to be quick and that's what labour— needs to be quick and that's what labour will— needs to be quick and that's what labour will focus on. and tnw-e— what labour will focus on. and tnw-e net— what labour will focus on. and tnw-e net just— what labour will focus on. and that's not just about speeding it that's not just about speeding w-tnw-e— that's not just about speeding it-that's about- that's not just about speeding it that's about giving it up here, that's about giving nwenew— it up here, that's about giving proper processes— it up here, that's about giving proper processes abroad because as proper processes abroad because

ee-iwet— proper processes abroad because ee-iwet newe— proper processes abroad because as just heard, unless as you've just heard, unless wewe— as you've just heard, unless you're-ukraine- as you've just heard, unless you're ukraine an afghani you're at ukraine or an afghani or you're at ukraine or an afghani ew heng— you're at ukraine or an afghani ew neng «eng— you're at ukraine or an afghani or hong kong, there is no legal way— or hong kong, there is no legal ww tnw— or hong kong, there is no legal way that someone— or hong kong, there is no legal way that someone can come and tnewe— way that someone can come and tnewe-wefwgeee— way that someone can come and there-refugees from - way that someone can come and there refugees from all there are refugees from all even there are refugees from all even we wen— there are refugees from all even the very-countries- there are refugees from all even the very countries will the very best countries will nwe— the very best countries will have l refugee _ the very best countries will have refugee every now and have a refugee every now and again— have a refugee every now and again neee— have a refugee every now and again because they will face newwew— again because they will face political persecution. one way or political persecution. one way ew wnewe.— political persecution. one way or another. you— political persecution. one way or another. you know, kind of eewwe— or another. you know, kind of edward snowden_ or another. you know, kind of edward snowden in the us is a geee— edward snowden in the us is a geee examine.— edward snowden in the us is a good example. who had to flee to ween.— good example. who had to flee to nweew. yew— good example. who had to flee to russia. you know,— good example. who had to flee to russia. you know, there will wwwe— russia. you know, there will wwwe ne— russia. you know, there will always be strange and odd enenwwwee— always be strange and odd anomalies,.you- always be strange and odd anomalies, you have anomalies, so you can't have a nwennet— anomalies, so you can't have a blanket-against- anomalies, so you can't have a blanket-against a- anomalies, so you can't have a blanket against a particular blanket ban against a particular eewnww— blanket ban against a particular eewnww au— blanket ban against a particular country. all right. yw�*wttt blanket ban against a particular country. all right. wits country. all right. well, let's say— country. all right. well, let's ew yew— country. all right. well, let's say you can broadly certain say you can say broadly certain countries are at more likelihood for creating refugees. lloyd, let's say that a safe and legal route was set up , you know, an route was set up, you know, an offshore processing centre, whether it was in north africa or france or wherever it may be. and we take people through safe and legal routes and we believe actually the motive isn't just poverty. there is a genuine reason why they would qualify for refugee status. okay, granted , i mean, i think nigel granted, i mean, i think nigel would, but if we hang on just one say if we do that of

economic migration, which we should allow, but it should be on different criteria for lloyd if we do economic migration, there 5 billion people there are 4 to 5 billion people that would qualify to to that would qualify to come to britain and europe. it is literally because our literally impossible because our need based on our need, which is based on our need. yeah , well, our need at need. yeah, well, our need at we— need. yeah, well, our need at we mement— need. yeah, well, our need at the moment, our— : yeah, well, our need at the moment, our need is to eeee— the moment, our need is to reduce numbers,- the moment, our need is to reduce numbers, not increase wen.— reduce numbers, not increase wen. — reduce numbers, not increase wen. nw— reduce numbers, not increase them. but what?— reduce numbers, not increase them. 7 �*7 them. but what? that's fine. okay. i'm assuming the labour government has set up safe and legal genuine legal routes for genuine refugees. i'll take that refugees. right. i'll take that as a given for purposes of as a given for the purposes of this what then this conversation. what then happens if people keep coming across the channel in small boats ? what does labour do then boats? what does labour do then 7 boats? what does labour do then ? well, first of all, we believe that it would reduce the numbers and that's the evidence where in australia, for example, safe and legal routes were set up through asian countries and processed centres offshore were created and boat numbers dropped dramatically. but and boat numbers dropped dramatically . but the second dramatically. but the second pari— dramatically. but the second nwe ef— dramatically. but the second nwe ef wee— dramatically. but the second part of that, that— dramatically. but the second part of that, that was- w: wtntityw but the second part of that, that was important is part of that, that was important ie tnw— part of that, that was important ie enw weenie— part of that, that was important is that people were processed wen— is that people were processed very quickly-— is that people were processed wew gwenw. se— is that people were processed very quickly. so when they wnwee— very quickly. so when they arrived they— very quickly. so when they arrived they were either already en we — arrived they were either already

were on the system, so were twwnee— were on the system, so were twwnee ween— were on the system, so were turned back to— were on the system, so were turned back to the last country tnw— turned back to the last country tnw they— turned back to the last country that they came— turned back to the last country that they came from or in the case where they— that they came from or in the case where they hadn't been, new— case where they hadn't been, they wee— case where they hadn't been, they were processed enormously gwenw— they were processed enormously gwenw ene— they were processed enormously gwenw and e— they were processed enormously quickly and a judgement was made for quickly and a judgement was made few wnewe— quickly and a judgement was made few wnewe fnew— quickly and a judgement was made for where they could reside. fnw-e— for where they could reside. me new— for where they could reside. that's how you— for where they could reside. that's how you stop the push and eww— that's how you stop the push and nwff feefewe. — that's how you stop the push and pull factors. let's— that's how you stop the push and pull factors. let's be honest fnewgn— pull factors. let's be honest fnewgn fne— pull factors. let's be honest though, the number of people fnegwfww— though, the number of people irregularly crossing the channel and w— irregularly crossing the channel and w new— irregularly crossing the channel and w fw— irregularly crossing the channel and i mean by boat crossing, by nfefng— and i mean by boat crossing, by nfefng fn— and i mean by boat crossing, by hiding in trucks,— and i mean by boat crossing, by hiding in trucks, by going on the eurostar,_ hiding in trucks, by going on the eurostar, etcetera, is eefwww— the eurostar, etcetera, is actually lower- the eurostar, etcetera, is actually lower than it has been nwewewew— actually lower than it has been nwewewew .— actually lower than it has been nwewewew. wf-e— actually lower than it has been previously . it's just that we've previously. it's just that we've efennee— previously. it's just that we've efennee-en— previously. it's just that we've clamped -on the - previously. it's just that we've clamped on the other routes clamped down on the other routes and clamped down on the other routes wne-we— clamped down on the other routes and .the -crossing- clamped down on the other routes and-the-crossing is- and now the boat crossing is wneef— and now the boat crossing is wneef fne— and now the boat crossing is almost the only— and now the boat crossing is almost the only route left out. wen.— almost the only route left out. we wnw— almost the only route left out. we w-nf nef— almost the only route left out. well, i'm not sure— almost the only route left out. well, i'm not sure about- almost the only route left out. well, i'm not sure about that. there are plenty of reports of people jumping out of lorries, but made it tougher. but we have made it tougher. that for certain. there are that is for certain. there are lots of labour families lots of labour voting families who've got, know , kids, who've got, you know, kids, grandkids on council, house waiting lists. 1.2 million across the country. an idea thrown out by number 10 overnight that british people should get put to the front of the list. i can't see with human

rights legislation that british people would ever get put above those that have crossed the channel well, my understanding is that they are are at the moment. i is that they are are at the moment . i remember tackling this moment. i remember tackling this wnen— moment. i remember tackling this wnen w— moment. i remember tackling this wnen f we— moment. i remember tackling this wnen w e— moment. i remember tackling this when i was a local— i remember tackling this when i was a local councillor on we— when i was a local councillor on we newefng— when i was a local councillor on the housing committee and we had very— the housing committee and we had very efew— the housing committee and we had very clear criteria— the housing committee and we had very clear criteria that if fnewe— very clear criteria that if there were _ very clear criteria that if there were .— very clear criteria that if there were . i've lost him right there were. i've lost him right 7 there were. i've lost him right f we— there were. i've lost him right e we few— there were. i've lost him right ? i've lost him.— there were. i've lost him right ? i've lost him. well,- there were. i've lost him right ? i've lost him. well, okay, we've lost lloyd russell—moyle. the link's gone down. i was going to put to him the point that former labour long term labour mp frank field says it is a scandal. the number of council houses that are being given to migrants anyway , in a moment we migrants anyway, in a moment we will discuss onshore wind. you see, starmer wants to reduce all of this. he wants onshore wind to be our big new future. is that the right decision? and is it? what will it do for energy security in our country

listening to gb news radio. so is global mass migration inevitable ? that's the question inevitable? that's the question fnew— inevitable? that's the question fnew eenee— inevitable? that's the question fnew eeweef yew— inevitable? that's the question they asked you and— 7 that's the question they asked you and some of your responses coming— they asked you and some of your responses coming in. ron says no , it responses coming in. ron says no , ff fe— responses coming in. ron says no , ff fe e— responses coming in. ron says no , ff fe e ewnnfen— responses coming in. ron says no , ff fe e ewnnfen ef— responses coming in. ron says no , it is a symptom of weak gewewnnenf— , it is a symptom of weak government .— , it is a symptom of weak government . it's about time we government. it's about time we nee— government. it's about time we we e— government. it's about time we had a minimum— government. it's about time we had a minimum five year enewefenwn— had a minimum five year moratorium on- had a minimum five year moratorium on immigration and by that moratorium on immigration and by ww w— moratorium on immigration and by ww w fnfnn— moratorium on immigration and by that i think ryan— moratorium on immigration and by that i think ryan means all fenne— that i think ryan means all fewne ef— that i think ryan means all forms of immigration, which wewfe— forms of immigration, which wewfef ne— forms of immigration, which would be rather— forms of immigration, which would be rather difficult to do. ene— would be rather difficult to do. one wewe— would be rather difficult to do. one viewer says,— would be rather difficult to do. one viewer says, yes , mass one viewer says, yes, mass nfgweffen— one viewer says, yes, mass nfgwwfen fe— one viewer says, yes, mass migration is inevitable , going migration is inevitable, going by new— migration is inevitable, going by new fne— migration is inevitable, going by how the current batch of newffefene— by how the current batch of politicians are _ by how the current batch of politicians are running the show , enefnew— politicians are running the show , enefnew ewe— politicians are running the show , enefnew ewe w— politicians are running the show , another says, i think he will fine— , another says, i think he will find ff— , another says, i think he will find ff fe— , another says, i think he will find it is all— , another says, i think he will find it is all planned to make fnew— find it is all planned to make excuses. they cannot stop it due to excuses. they cannot stop it due fe ee— excuses. they cannot stop it due fe fegef— excuses. they cannot stop it due to some legal paperwork that is eefwefw— to some legal paperwork that is eefwefw few— to some legal paperwork that is actually for the— to some legal paperwork that is actually for the birds. we were not actually for the birds. we were nef newn— actually for the birds. we were not born yesterday. this is deliberate— not born yesterday. this is deliberate and— not born yesterday. this is deliberate and cruel against the people— deliberate and cruel against the neenfe ef— deliberate and cruel against the neenfe ef europe— deliberate and cruel against the people of europe and the usa and fnewe— people of europe and the usa and fnewe we— people of europe and the usa and fnewe e— people of europe and the usa and there are a growing— people of europe and the usa and there are a growing number of people— there are a growing number of neenfe wne— there are a growing number of neenfe wne ee— there are a growing number of people who do say that now. keir sfwnew— people who do say that now. keir sfwnew feew— people who do say that now. keir starmer today a— people who do say that now. keir starmer today a big speech in in eefnnwgn— starmer today a big speech in in eefnnwwgn fn— starmer today a big speech in in edinburgh in which he pledged to

new— edinburgh in which he pledged to throw everything— edinburgh in which he pledged to throw everything at net zero. yup— throw everything at net zero. we ane— throw everything at net zero. we we nee— throw everything at net zero. yup and he's going to fire the efwffng— yup and he's going to fire the efwffng gwn— yup and he's going to fire the efwffng gwn en— yup and he's going to fire the starting gun on a— yup and he's going to fire the starting gun on a race for us to ewfe— starting gun on a race for us to wife newe— starting gun on a race for us to build more on— starting gun on a race for us to build more on onshore wind fwwnfnee— build more on onshore wind turbines allied— build more on onshore wind turbines allied to that no new gas— turbines allied to that no new gee ew— turbines allied to that no new gee ew ei— turbines allied to that no new gas or oil exploration in the wenwn— gas or oil exploration in the wewfn see.— gas or oil exploration in the north sea. the— gas or oil exploration in the north sea. the setting up of gweef— north sea. the setting up of great british— north sea. the setting up of great british energy dodi, a new nwfffew— great british energy dodi, a new nwwfew ewnee— great british energy dodi, a new publicly owned company . gosh, publicly owned company. gosh, not publicly owned company. gosh, nef ee— publicly owned company. gosh, not so sure about— publicly owned company. gosh, not so sure about that . given not so sure about that. given fne— not so sure about that. given fne nfefew— not so sure about that. given fne nfefew ef— not so sure about that. given the history of state owned firms . ewf— the history of state owned firms . ewf sfwnew— the history of state owned firms . but starmer emphasises that his . but starmer emphasises that we nfene— . but starmer emphasises that we nfene ge— . but starmer emphasises that we nfene ge wew— . but starmer emphasises that his plans go way beyond the effnefe— his plans go way beyond the climate crisis. _ his plans go way beyond the climate crisis. he says his nfene— climate crisis. he says his nfene nwe— climate crisis. he says his plans have the- climate crisis. he says his plans have the potential to eefe— plans have the potential to eefe fene— plans have the potential to create jobs across the country we— create jobs across the country enef fe— create jobs across the country and to improve— create jobs across the country and to improve uk's energy eeewnfw. — and to improve uk's energy security. well— and to improve uk's energy security. well i— and to improve uk's energy security. well i have to say fnef— security. well i have to say fnef feef— security. well i have to say that last point— security. well i have to say that last point i— security. well i have to say that last point i think is eennfefe— that last point i think is complete and- that last point i think is complete and utter nonsense. the we wew— complete and utter nonsense. the we wew en— complete and utter nonsense. the more we rely on wind, the less enewgw— more we rely on wind, the less energy eee— more we rely on wind, the less energy we— more we rely on wind, the less energy secure we are. shaun eeffew— energy secure we are. shaun neffew newe— energy secure we are. shaun bailey piers joins me, who is eeewfwe— bailey piers joins me, who is executive director of the environmental think tank and enwffw— environmental think tank and enenfw see,— environmental think tank and charity sea, the— environmental think tank and charity sea, the green alliance, fewneww— charity sea, the green alliance, fewneww ee— charity sea, the green alliance, formerly some years ago, a

wenwn— formerly some years ago, a weneww wee— formerly some years ago, a labour mep .— formerly some years ago, a labour mep . but also, sean, you labour mep. but also, sean, you ef— labour mep. but also, sean, you were of course— labour mep. but also, sean, you were of course running the eewneff— were of course running the eewnei few— were of course running the council for the— were of course running the council for the protection of wnw— council for the protection of rural england— council for the protection of rural england many years ago. i wenf— rural england many years ago. i wenf fe— rural england many years ago. i wenf fe ewf— rural england many years ago. i want to put this— rural england many years ago. i want to put this to— rural england many years ago. i want to put this to you as eenenew— want to put this to you as somebody who- want to put this to you as somebody who was fought as hard as somebody who was fought as hard ee wew— somebody who was fought as hard ee wew nwe— somebody who was fought as hard as you have over— somebody who was fought as hard as you have over many, many wewe— as you have over many, many wewe fe— as you have over many, many wewe we keep— as you have over many, many years to keep our— as you have over many, many years to keep our wonderful gween— years to keep our wonderful gween enef— years to keep our wonderful green and pleasant land as it ewgnf— green and pleasant land as it ewgnf fe— green and pleasant land as it ewgnf fe ne— green and pleasant land as it ought to be, full— green and pleasant land as it ought to be, full of, you know, gweef— ought to be, full of, you know, great biodiverse_ ought to be, full of, you know, great biodiverse species to keep our great biodiverse species to keep wnfenefe— great biodiverse species to keep our uplands looking beautiful. swwefw— our uplands looking beautiful. swew, ewew— our uplands looking beautiful. swew, ewew .— our uplands looking beautiful. surely, surely . sean, whatever surely, surely. sean, whatever wew— surely, surely. sean, whatever your gween— surely, surely. sean, whatever your green credentials is, you we— your green credentials is, you nwef fnfnw— your green credentials is, you nwef fnfnw e— your green credentials is, you must think a huge outbreak of eneenwe— must think a huge outbreak of onshore wind— must think a huge outbreak of onshore wind farms is bad for we— onshore wind farms is bad for the countryside— onshore wind farms is bad for the countryside .— onshore wind farms is bad for the countryside . well nigel, i the countryside. well nigel, i fewe— the countryside. well nigel, i fewe ew— the countryside. well nigel, i love our bluebell woods, and gef— love our bluebell woods, and gef fe— love our bluebell woods, and we've got to do— love our bluebell woods, and we've got to do something about effnefe— we've got to do something about climate change. _ we've got to do something about climate change. i— we've got to do something about climate change. "

ownership of wind farms rather than somebody saying , ownership of wind farms rather than somebody saying, i'm the guy the energy company, guy from the energy company, you're have a wind you're going to have a wind farm, going to make a big farm, we're going to make a big profit. it or it. profit. like it or lump it. there needs a new dialogue there needs to be a new dialogue on how we get onshore wind. well that well and good. that all sounds well and good. sean. mean, you know, i'm sean. but i mean, you know, i'm eneewng— sean. but i mean, you know, i'm speaking—rochesterl speaking to you from rochester in speaking to you from rochester fn—fne— speaking to you from rochester fn—fne fennew- in kent. take the romney marshes, a win. a wind farm was put marshes, a win. a wind farm was nwflfnewe— marshes, a win. a wind farm was nwflfnewe e— marshes, a win. a wind farm was nwflfnewe e few— marshes, a win. a wind farm was put there a few years ago, put up there a few years ago, wnwefw— put up there a few years ago, virtually-local- put up there a few years ago, virtually local councillor virtually every local councillor mp virtually every local councillor we wew— virtually every local councillor mp mep, virtually all apart from one mp mep, virtually all apart from wne— mp mep, virtually all apart from one who was a green, objected to it one who was a green, objected to ff being— one who was a green, objected to ff nefng wif— one who was a green, objected to it being built and— one who was a green, objected to it being built and local communities- it being built and local communities don't get behind fneee— communities don't get behind fneee enef— communities don't get behind fneee enef ew— communities don't get behind these and say what happened was fnewe— these and say what happened was fnewe wee— these and say what happened was fnewe e— these and say what happened was there was a compulsory purchase eneew. — there was a compulsory purchase eneew. ane— there was a compulsory purchase eneew. wne nef— there was a compulsory purchase order. and not only— there was a compulsory purchase order. and not only are they ugly— order. and not only are they ugly aesthetically, but they wu— ugly aesthetically, but they nu nwge— ugly aesthetically, but they kill huge numbers of bats, birds and kill huge numbers of bats, birds enef geeefneee— kill huge numbers of bats, birds and goodness knows what else. is this and goodness knows what else. is fnfe eeww— and goodness knows what else. is fnfe weefw fne— and goodness knows what else. is this really the i— and goodness knows what else. is this really the i mean, surely if this really the i mean, surely ff we— this really the i mean, surely if we wanted— this really the i mean, surely if we wanted a— this really the i mean, surely if we wanted a green solution, we wewfe— if we wanted a green solution, we wewfef ne— if we wanted a green solution, we would be going for new, enenew— we would be going for new, enwfew wnee— we would be going for new, smaller types of— we would be going for new, smaller types of nuclear energy . wew— smaller types of nuclear energy . wew w— smaller types of nuclear energy . well i think— smaller types of nuclear energy . well i think keir— smaller types of nuclear energy . well i think keir starmers eneeen— . well i think keir starmers eneeen eeew— . well i think keir starmers speech today is— . well i think keir starmers speech today is absolutely ngnf. — speech today is absolutely right. you've— speech today is absolutely right. you've got- speech today is absolutely right. 4tw. gwtw speech today is absolutely right. you've got to throw everything at this and climate change is really , really

change is really, really serious. you've got to you've just had a piece on immigration in one of the drivers of immigration and asylum seeking is, of course, climate change. you've got huge investment around the world in the green transition , $370 billion transition, $370 billion trillion, $1 billion, 1.7 trillion , conceivably up to 1.7 trillion, conceivably up to 1.7 trillion, conceivably up to 1.7 trillion by the us . massive trillion by the us. massive investment in the eu. if the uk is left behind, we not only lose out on our contribution contribution to climate change where we've been world leaders, we lose out on all the job opportunities. and i think you can work with communities to get them onshore wind farms. the big difference, the big difference, nigel i was running nigel from when i was running six years ago is there was a lot of stuff there saying that they were expensive and they were very expensive and they didn't and nobody didn't work. and almost nobody now that evidence now thinks that the evidence is clear cheapest form of clear that the cheapest form of energy and they make a big contribution. no, no, no, fnew-we— contribution. no, no, no, they're subsidised- contribution. no, no, no,- they're subsidised .taxpayers. they're subsidised by taxpayers. but they're subsidised by taxpayers. ewf newng— they're subsidised by taxpayers. ewf newng en— they're subsidised by taxpayers. but moving on. moving from but moving on. moving on from wine. — but moving on. moving on from wine. we— but moving on. moving on from wine. we new— but moving on. moving on from wind. no new oil— but moving on. moving on from wind. no new oil and gas ewfeweffen— wind. no new oil and gas exploration and gas is subsidised— exploration and gas is subsidised massively . now that subsidised massively. now that

e nwge— subsidised massively. now that e nwge .— subsidised massively. now that means a huge , huge loss of jobs means a huge, huge loss of jobs in seeffene— means a huge, huge loss of jobs in scotland and— means a huge, huge loss of jobs in scotland and elsewhere. we wif— in scotland and elsewhere. we wfff effu— in scotland and elsewhere. we wfff effff ne— in scotland and elsewhere. we will still be using— in scotland and elsewhere. we will still be using oil and gas, wefenw— will still be using oil and gas, nwenww few— will still be using oil and gas, probably for several decades to ane— probably for several decades to come. and everything that sfwnew— come. and everything that sfwnew fe— come. and everything that starmer is doing here, reducing our starmer is doing here, reducing eeww— starmer is doing here, reducing effffw fe— starmer is doing here, reducing our ability to be— our ability to be self—sufficient, leaving us vulnerable— self—sufficient, leaving us vulnerable to— self—sufficient, leaving us vulnerable to intermit and wind enewgw— vulnerable to intermit and wind enewgw .— vulnerable to intermit and wind energy , neenfng— vulnerable to intermit and wind energy , meaning in short times energy, meaning in short times we nwe— energy, meaning in short times we nwe fe— energy, meaning in short times we have to import— energy, meaning in short times we have to import electricity fwen— we have to import electricity fwen fenee— we have to import electricity from france or— we have to import electricity from france or from norway or fwen— from france or from norway or fwen eefgfwn— from france or from norway or from belgium or— from france or from norway or from belgium or whatever it is . from belgium or whatever it is. i from belgium or whatever it is. f eween— from belgium or whatever it is. f ewwew— from belgium or whatever it is. i mean, surely his— from belgium or whatever it is. i mean, surely his claim that by efefng— i mean, surely his claim that by eefng eff— i mean, surely his claim that by eefng eff ef— i mean, surely his claim that by doing all of these— i mean, surely his claim that by doing all of these things is he wif— doing all of these things is he wfff fnnwewe— doing all of these things is he will improve the— doing all of these things is he will improve the uk's energy eeewfw— will improve the uk's energy eeewfw .— will improve the uk's energy security . surely— will improve the uk's energy security . surely that is utter security. surely that is utter wwfffen— security. surely that is utter wwfffen .— security. surely that is utter rubbish . well— security. surely that is utter rubbish . well if— security. surely that is utter rubbish . well if labour's rubbish. well if labour's wenwn-e— rubbish. well if labour's labour's policy is to decarbonise- labour's policy is to decarbonise the grid by 2030 fnefewf— decarbonise the grid by 2030 fnefewf ef— decarbonise the grid by 2030 instead of 2035,— decarbonise the grid by 2030 instead of 2035, and it's also to instead of 2035, and it's also fe fnewfefe— instead of 2035, and it's also to insulate loads— instead of 2035, and it's also to insulate loads of houses, a nwegwenne— to insulate loads of houses, a mass programme of insulation. so mass programme of insulation. se ff— mass programme of insulation. se ff they— mass programme of insulation. se ff wew gef— mass programme of insulation. so if they get those— mass programme of insulation. so if they get those things- so if they get those things right, then we'll need less imported gas. but the fact is that the, the oil and gas we produce in the north sea is

exported . it'd on international exported. it'd on international markets. 80% of the oil is exported , id 60% of the gas. and exported, id 60% of the gas. and it's a really declining gas field is exported unless you are proposing state ownership which from your previous comments, i guess not know that that guess you're not know that that is we are paying as taxpayers huge sums of money to the developers of these oil and gas fields. and then we export the gas and the oil on international markets. promise, i markets. i promise, sean, i promise , we could find the promise you, we could find the capital in about three days to develop the gas fields in the north—west of england. the bowland reserve. g: the bowland reserve. there's plenty of bowland reserve. there's plenty ef nwfwefe— bowland reserve. there's plenty of private capital— bowland reserve. there's plenty of private capital that would few— of private capital that would come for these— of private capital that would come for these things. all i'm ewfng— come for these things. all i'm ewfng-fe— come for these things. all i'm ewfng-fe fne- come for these things. all i'm saying is this even if saying to you is this even if we're worried— saying to you is this even if we're worried about the climate ewefe— we're worried about the climate enefe .— we're worried about the climate enefe , eff— we're worried about the climate crisis , all we've— we're worried about the climate crisis , all we've done for the crisis, all we've done for the fee— crisis, all we've done for the feef zo— crisis, all we've done for the feef ze wewe— crisis, all we've done for the last 20 years is— crisis, all we've done for the last 20 years is put huge levels of last 20 years is put huge levels ef eweenw— last 20 years is put huge levels of subsidy onto— last 20 years is put huge levels of subsidy onto consumers efeefneffw— of subsidy onto consumers electricity bills. - of subsidy onto consumers electricity bills. we have kyiv exnewfee— electricity bills. we have kyiv exported manufactured jobs. and yes,— exported manufactured jobs. and wee ef— exported manufactured jobs. and wee, ef eewwee— exported manufactured jobs. and yes, of course, there are some rene— yes, of course, there are some iefe en— yes, of course, there are some rene en fne— yes, of course, there are some jobs on the wind— yes, of course, there are some jobs on the wind farms and ewewfnfng— jobs on the wind farms and everything else,— jobs on the wind farms and everything else, but we've eweenw— everything else, but we've expenee e— everything else, but we've exported a huge number of manufacturing— exported a huge number of manufacturing jobs. we've left

ourselves utterly— manufacturing jobs. we've left ourselves utterly reliant on fnnewfe— ourselves utterly reliant on fnnewfe .— ourselves utterly reliant on fnnewfe . w— ourselves utterly reliant on imports. i mean, and we only eenfnnwfe— imports. i mean, and we only contribute it— imports. i mean, and we only contribute it less— imports. i mean, and we only contribute it less than 1% of gene— contribute it less than 1% of gene coz— contribute it less than 1% of gfenw eoz .— contribute it less than 1% of global co2 . it's— contribute it less than 1% of global co2 . it's all well and global co2. it's all well and geeef— global co2. it's all well and geeef nefng— global co2. it's all well and good being world leaders, but it's good being world leaders, but we en— good being world leaders, but we en eef— good being world leaders, but we en eef ef— good being world leaders, but it's an act of self—harm, isn't it's an act of self—harm, isn't ff f — it's an act of self—harm, isn't ff f wew.— it's an act of self—harm, isn't it ? well, even— it's an act of self—harm, isn't it ? well, even if— it's an act of self—harm, isn't it ? well, even if you- it's an act of self—harm, isn't it? wits " �*7 it? well, even if you leave climate change, aside from it, if we hadn't been if we hadn't cut the green crap, as david cameron said eight years ago, we would have invested an lot would have invested an awful lot of in insulating our of money in insulating our houses. we would have invested in more flexible grid. we'd be in a more flexible grid. we'd be in a more flexible grid. we'd be in better place to in a much better place to generate own clean british generate our own clean british energy for british people. that instead of being reliant on imports as we have been from russia and ukraine and the sooner we get ready, get on the transition, which is happening like it or not, this is like a new industrial revolution, the better we'll be in. better position we'll be in. otherwise we'll be left in a kind 20th century fossil fuel kind of 20th century fossil fuel economy where the rest of the world moving on and world is moving on and decarbonising. and what happens in decarbonising. and what happens fn-eeffew— decarbonising. and what happens in-bailey-world- in shaun bailey ayres's world wnen— in shaun bailey ayres's world when-doesn't- in shaun bailey ayres's world when doesn't blow? in shaun bailey ayres's world- when-doesn't blow? well when the wind doesn't blow? well all when the wind doesn't blow? well eff enewgw— when the wind doesn't blow? well eff energy fw— when the wind doesn't blow? well all energy uk and— when the wind doesn't blow? well all energy uk and all the

fwefffne— all energy uk and all the boffins reckon— all energy uk and all the boffins reckon that you can deal wffn— boffins reckon that you can deal wffn fnef— boffins reckon that you can deal with that through— boffins reckon that you can deal with that through storage, fnwewgn— with that through storage, through limited backup and nwefew— through limited backup and nwefew fe— through limited backup and nuclear is a— through limited backup and nuclear is a part of that . nuclear is a part of that. um, war,— nuclear is a part of that. um, weff. energy— nuclear is a part of that. um, weff. energy re.— nuclear is a part of that. um, well, energy is, is— nuclear is a part of that. um, well, energy is, is the representative group for the energy companies. representative group for the energy companies . they're energy companies. they're absolutely confident other countries are investing. they're confident . of course they're confident. of course fney-we— they're confident. of course they're confident. they i mean, fney— they're confident. they i mean, fney wenf— they're confident. they i mean, fney wenf eff— they're confident. they i mean, they want all the _ they're confident. they i mean, they want all the competitors feweef— they want all the competitors feweeef ewf— they want all the competitors forced out of— they want all the competitors forced out of the— they want all the competitors forced out of the industry. sean wnen— forced out of the industry. sean wnen ff— forced out of the industry. sean when it comes— forced out of the industry. sean when it comes i— forced out of the industry. sean when it comes i mean, i've been newfng— when it comes i mean, i've been newfng eeewf— when it comes i mean, i've been hearing about energy storage on a hearing about energy storage on e nig— hearing about energy storage on e fwfg eeefe— hearing about energy storage on e fwfg eeefe few— hearing about energy storage on a big scale for a— hearing about energy storage on a big scale for a quarter of a eenfwy— a big scale for a quarter of a eenfwy. ane— a big scale for a quarter of a century. and if— a big scale for a quarter of a century. and if it— a big scale for a quarter of a century. and if it happens , i'll century. and if it happens, i'll give— century. and if it happens, i'll give fnee— century. and if it happens, i'll give fnwee very— century. and if it happens, i'll give three very big loud public eeewen — give three very big loud public eneewe ewf— give three very big loud public cheers. but frankly , you have to cheers. but frankly, you have to wfgef— cheers. but frankly, you have to wfgef few— cheers. but frankly, you have to mix. nigel you have- cheers. but frankly, you have to mix. \w gt; 4tw. ”wt; mix. nigel you have offshore, onshore solar. you insulate the houses, you manage demand , and houses, you manage demand, and you do have some some backup . you do have some some backup. and it's evident, you know, it is evident that it can be done well, we need to import denying it now. we'll need to import it wnen— it now. we'll need to import it wnen fne— it now. we'll need to import it when the wind— c we'll need to import it when the wind doesn't blow. ffnef— when the wind doesn't blow. ffnef ewfen— when the wind doesn't blow. final quick thought should neeee— final quick thought should houses have— final quick thought should houses have heat pumps? yes yes. ane— houses have heat pumps? yes yes. we fney-ne— houses have heat pumps? yes yes. we fney-re very— houses have heat pumps? yes yes. and they're very popular— houses have heat pumps? yes yes. and they're very popular .- houses have heat pumps? yes yes. and they're very popular. and- and they're very popular. and we've got we there is there is only one way we're going. we have to get off fossil fuels

both for the economy and for the climate . and so heat pumps are climate. and so heat pumps are any house, any house over 50 years old, future, any house over 50 years old will not be suitable for a heat pump. it'll cost them 10 to 15 grand.- cost them 10 to 15 grand. and we— cost them 10 to 15 grand. and iwef ene— cost them 10 to 15 grand. and we ffnef— cost them 10 to 15 grand. and just one final thought on fossil fwefe— just one final thought on fossil fwefe fe— just one final thought on fossil fwefe fe fnfe— just one final thought on fossil fuels is this year— just one final thought on fossil fuels is this year the world's going— fuels is this year the world's gefng fe— fuels is this year the world's gefng fe ewwn— fuels is this year the world's going to burn 8— fuels is this year the world's going to burn 8 billion tonnes of going to burn 8 billion tonnes ef eeef. — going to burn 8 billion tonnes ef eeef. wene— going to burn 8 billion tonnes of coal. we're going to burn more coal this— of coal. we're going to burn more coal this year than in any yew— more coal this year than in any yeew fn— more coal this year than in any yeew fn fne— more coal this year than in any year in the history— more coal this year than in any year in the history of humankind.- year in the history of humankind. aren't we just fefwffng— humankind. aren't we just deluding ourselves that we make any deluding ourselves that we make eny ffffewenee— deluding ourselves that we make any difference at— deluding ourselves that we make any difference at all? wits any difference at all? well, no. i any difference at all? well, no. ffnfnf— any difference at all? well, no. ffnfnf fne— any difference at all? well, no. i think the ipcc , the i think the ipcc, the international panel on climate change , everybody else, the change, everybody else, the international energy association , un, there's a clear pathway for getting off fossil fuels . for getting off fossil fuels. it's not impossible . the economy it's not impossible. the economy rests on it. and i think what you're forgetting about in your sort of derision about heat pumps is innovation. these things become cheaper as things will become cheaper as offshore wind is immeasurably cheaper than anybody thought was possible ten years ago. heat pumps cheaper. pumps have become cheaper. they'll efficient . they'll become more efficient. we can do this stuff. you've got

to on board, nigel. you'll to get on board, nigel. you'll love future love it. well green future building. sean i promise you. i nwenfee— building. sean i promise you. i nwenfee yew.— building. sean i promise you. i promise you. you— building. sean i promise you. i promise you. you know,- w: g i promise you. i promise you. you know, as a big ewnnewfew— promise you. you know, as a big ewnnenew .— promise you. you know, as a big supportere ee— promise you. you know, as a big ewnnenew, ee yew— promise you. you know, as a big supporter , as you know, of much supporter, as you know, of much of supporter, as you know, of much ef yew— supporter, as you know, of much ef yeww wew— supporter, as you know, of much ef yew wew ef— supporter, as you know, of much of your work at cbre. yeah i'm an environmentalist, but i'm a nwegneffe— an environmentalist, but i'm a pragmatic environmentalist. when fneee— pragmatic environmentalist. when fneeefnfnge— pragmatic environmentalist. when these things can— pragmatic environmentalist. when these things can work without ewfeffy— these things can work without ewfweffy enf— these things can work without subsidy and with— these things can work without subsidy and with 100% reliability— subsidy and with 100% reliability and when we're self—sufficient, then you may fne— self—sufficient, then you may find e— self—sufficient, then you may find e eff— self—sufficient, then you may find a bit more— self—sufficient, then you may find a bit more enthusiasm for fwen— find a bit more enthusiasm for fwen ne— find a bit more enthusiasm for fwen ne few— find a bit more enthusiasm for from me for the— find a bit more enthusiasm for from me for the moment. forgive my from me for the moment. forgive eny eeenffefen— from me for the moment. forgive my scepticism and— from me for the moment. forgive my scepticism and thank you for eenfng— my scepticism and thank you for eenfng en— my scepticism and thank you for eenfng en fne— my scepticism and thank you for coming on the show again. sean spewe— coming on the show again. sean snewe fnenf— coming on the show again. sean spears thank you— coming on the show again. sean spears thank you very much. so exfweenffnwy— spears thank you very much. so extraordinary in— spears thank you very much. so extraordinary in west kent and fee— extraordinary in west kent and feef sweee— extraordinary in west kent and east sussex over— extraordinary in west kent and east sussex over the course of fne— east sussex over the course of we feef— east sussex over the course of the last week,— east sussex over the course of the last week, houses have effnew— the last week, houses have effnew nwf— the last week, houses have either had very,— the last week, houses have either had very, very low water nweeewe ew fn— either had very, very low water pressure or in many cases no pressure or in many cases [10 wefew— pressure or in many cases [10 wefew ef— pressure or in many cases no wefew ef eff. — pressure or in many cases no water at all. is— pressure or in many cases no water at all. is this the btec new— water at all. is this the btec new weeffy— water at all. is this the btec next really big— water at all. is this the btec next really big crisis we as a eewnfny— next really big crisis we as a eewnwy ewfe— next really big crisis we as a country could face a .

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people's channel. t people's channel. britain's news . channel well, march- people's channel. t " well, march was the . channel well, march was the weffeef— . channel well, march was the wettest march— . channel well, march was the wettest march in— . channel well, march was the wettest march in the- " well, march was the wettest march in the south—east i wettest march in the south—east f en— wettest march in the south—east i can ever remember. but since fnen— i can ever remember. but since fnen enf— i can ever remember. but since then, and actually— i can ever remember. but since then, and actually since the eeweneffen— then, and actually since the coronation, apart from this weekend— coronation, apart from this weekend .— coronation, apart from this weekend , it's— coronation, apart from this weekend , it's barely rained at weekend, it's barely rained at eff.— weekend, it's barely rained at eff. f— weekend, it's barely rained at all. i haven't— weekend, it's barely rained at all. i haven't seen the grass as newn— all. i haven't seen the grass as wnwn—wne- all. i haven't seen the grass as nwewn—rwne .- all. i haven't seen the grass as brown -june . not. all. i haven't seen the grass asi brown -june . not that brown as this. in june. not that i brown as this. in june. not that f en— brown as this. in june. not that i can remember.— brown as this. in june. not that i can remember. certainly in my fffeffne— i can remember. certainly in my fffeffne. ane— i can remember. certainly in my lifetime. and south—east water nwe— lifetime. and south—east water nwe fwwewgnf— lifetime. and south—east water have brought in— lifetime. and south—east water have brought in an immediate neeenfne— have brought in an immediate neeenfne enf— have brought in an immediate hosepipe and sprinkler ban. this is hosepipe and sprinkler ban. this fe fne— hosepipe and sprinkler ban. this is the earliest— hosepipe and sprinkler ban. this is the earliest time they've had to is the earliest time they've had fe fe— is the earliest time they've had fe fe ff— is the earliest time they've had fe fe ff few— is the earliest time they've had to do it for over— is the earliest time they've had to do it for over a— is the earliest time they've had to do it for over a decade. wene— to do it for over a decade. were few— to do it for over a decade. we're told by— to do it for over a decade. we're told by south east water fnef— we're told by south east water fnef fne — we're told by south east water that the problem _ we're told by south east water that the problem is that demand for that the problem is that demand few wefew— that the problem is that demand few wefew nee— that the problem is that demand for water has broken . records so for water has broken. records so it for water has broken. records so ff fen-f— for water has broken. records so ff fen-f fwef— for water has broken. records so it isn't just about— for water has broken. records so it isn't just about the fact fnef— it isn't just about the fact fnef ff— it isn't just about the fact that it hasn't— it isn't just about the fact that it hasn't rained very much we— that it hasn't rained very much enef ff— that it hasn't rained very much enef ff fen-f— that it hasn't rained very much and it isn't just— that it hasn't rained very much and it isn't just about the fact fnef— and it isn't just about the fact fnef ne— and it isn't just about the fact fnef ne eny-e— and it isn't just about the fact that no major new reservoirs nwe— that no major new reservoirs nwe ween— that no major new reservoirs have been built— that no major new reservoirs have been built for about three feewfee— have been built for about three feewfee. we— have been built for about three decades. no demand for water has ewefen— decades. no demand for water has broken records.— decades. no demand for water has broken records. anybody at home got broken records. anybody at home gef e— broken records. anybody at home gef e efwe— broken records. anybody at home gef e efwe ee— broken records. anybody at home gef e efwe ee fe— broken records. anybody at home got a clue as to why that should fwef— got a clue as to why that should eef wefn— got a clue as to why that should be? well, travel— got a clue as to why that should be? well, travel around the eewfn—eeef— be? well, travel around the south—east of— be? well, travel around the south—east of england and what

yew-ff— south—east of england and what yew-ff eee— south—east of england and what yew-ff fe— south—east of england and what you'll see is housebuilding on a eeefe— you'll see is housebuilding on a eeefe fnef— you'll see is housebuilding on a eeefe fnef fe— you'll see is housebuilding on a scale that is almost unbelievable. it is part of the nenwfwfen— unbelievable. it is part of the population crisis— unbelievable. it is part of the population crisis engulfing this eewnfny— population crisis engulfing this eewnfny. ane— population crisis engulfing this country. and i'm— population crisis engulfing this country. and i'm beginning to wenee— country. and i'm beginning to wonder whether— country. and i'm beginning to wonder whether water may become a wonder whether water may become e very,— wonder whether water may become e very very— wonder whether water may become eweny, weny eenewe— wonder whether water may become a very, very serious problem feewee— a very, very serious problem neewee fwen — a very, very serious problem because from start to finish , to because from start to finish, to nwfe— because from start to finish, to fwfff e— because from start to finish, to fwfff e new— because from start to finish, to build a new reservoir is nwefwwfy— build a new reservoir is probably going to take you about ten probably going to take you about fen ye — probably going to take you about fen yewe wew— probably going to take you about ten years. now, the area that's been— ten years. now, the area that's been wewef— ten years. now, the area that's been worst affected has been weef— been worst affected has been weef fenf— been worst affected has been west kent and— been worst affected has been west kent and east sussex and indeed— west kent and east sussex and indeed ee— west kent and east sussex and indeed some places have had no wefew— indeed some places have had no wefew ef— indeed some places have had no wefew ef eff— indeed some places have had no water at all for— indeed some places have had no water at all for days. schools nwe— water at all for days. schools nwe nwf— water at all for days. schools nwe nee fe— water at all for days. schools have had to close— water at all for days. schools have had to close and we're fefw— have had to close and we're fefw fnewgn— have had to close and we're told, though, it— have had to close and we're told, though, it has at least for told, though, it has at least few nw— told, though, it has at least for now, engendered a bit of a wife— for now, engendered a bit of a fwfffz enfnf. — for now, engendered a bit of a blitz spirit. and— for now, engendered a bit of a blitz spirit. and i'm joined now fewn— blitz spirit. and i'm joined now fewn fne— blitz spirit. and i'm joined now down the line— blitz spirit. and i'm joined now down the line by— blitz spirit. and i'm joined now down the line by councillor wfeneef— down the line by councillor michael lunn,_ down the line by councillor michael lunn, who was concerned un— michael lunn, who was concerned fww eewnefffew— michael lunn, who was concerned lviv councillor for— michael lunn, who was concerned lviv councillor for hadlow down we— lviv councillor for hadlow down and rotherfield_ lviv councillor for hadlow down and rotherfield on wealden wfefnef— and rotherfield on wealden district council— and rotherfield on wealden district council . councillor district council. councillor fwnn— district council. councillor fwnn fnenf— district council. councillor lunn, thank you for joining us. fwef— lunn, thank you for joining us. rwef feff— lunn, thank you for joining us. rwef feff we— lunn, thank you for joining us. just tell us what's— lunn, thank you for joining us. just tell us what's been happening— just tell us what's been happening over the last week or so happening over the last week or ee fn— happening over the last week or ee fn yew— happening over the last week or so in your area. well thank you, wfgef. — so in your area. well thank you, wfgef. wfe— so in your area. well thank you, nigel. it's been—

so in your area. well thank you, nigel. it's been an— so in your area. well thank you, nigel. c t a" nigel. it's been an absolute mess of a situation . residents mess of a situation. residents have been out of water for eight days for schools, closed businesses closed, farmers as animals requested , and folk animals requested, and folk without any water. and it's just been ongoing with very few communications coming out of south east water and quite frankly, people have been very resilient . a real community resilient. a real community coming together. but they're tired, they're fed up and they want answers of why this has happened yet again. this is the fourth time this has happened . fourth time this has happened. yeah, yeah. now, as you say, it nennenfng— yeah, yeah. now, as you say, it was happening last— “cw?" “cw?" now, as you say, it was happening last year to some of was happening last year to some ef fneee— was happening last year to some of these communities. but do you see of these communities. but do you ny— of these communities. but do you eny point— of these communities. but do you see my point, michael, about housebuilding— see my point, michael, about housebuilding ?_ see my point, michael, about housebuilding ? you know, huge housebuilding? you know, huge fn— housebuilding? you know, huge increase in population in kent, sweee— increase in population in kent, sweee .— increase in population in kent, sussex , hampshire. many of these sussex, hampshire. many of these eewfnewn— sussex, hampshire. many of these southern counties— sussex, hampshire. many of these southern counties .— sussex, hampshire. many of these southern counties . i— sussex, hampshire. many of these southern counties . i mean, do southern counties. i mean, do yew— southern counties. i mean, do yew knew— southern counties. i mean, do yew knew we— southern counties. i mean, do yew knew we yew— southern counties. i mean, do you know do you know of plans to nwfe— you know do you know of plans to fwfff new— you know do you know of plans to build new reservoirs? i mean, fnewe-e— build new reservoirs? i mean, fnewe-e ene— build new reservoirs? i mean, there's one proposal road over

fne— there's one proposal road over we nwfew— there's one proposal road over the border near— there's one proposal road over the border near canterbury. but i the border near canterbury. but f en— the border near canterbury. but f .— the border near canterbury. but f , wnw— the border near canterbury. but i mean , what is— the border near canterbury. but i mean , what is east sussex i mean, what is east sussex fefng— i mean, what is east sussex fefng fn— i mean, what is east sussex doing in terms— i mean, what is east sussex doing in terms of planning for the doing in terms of planning for we fwfwwe— doing in terms of planning for we fwfwwe f — doing in terms of planning for the future ? well,— doing in terms of planning for the future ? wits the future? well, the issue about you talk about reservoirs, we actually had a briefing not so many months ago from south—east water talking about the arlington reservoir , which the arlington reservoir, which you'll be familiar with. yeah and they've got no plans to complete that until 2040 or 2050. yet. the housebuilding is ongoing. yeah. um and the major issue is that south—east water and southern water that deal with sewage are not statut three consultees to the national planning policy framework and therefore, when you ask them as a planner, as a councillor , as a planner, as a councillor, as an officer of the council , can an officer of the council, can we hook up these new houses that are being planned? their immediate answer is yes. and you've got no opportunity to challenge that because they are seen as the experts and the whole system is fundamentally

flawed . and yeah, it's flawed flawed. and yeah, it's flawed every level actually, isn't it? as you say, supply of water as you say, supplyyof water to as you say, supply of water to neeee— as you say, supply of water to houses, sewage _ as you say, supply of water to houses, sewage ,_ as you say, supply of water to houses, sewage , leakages into houses, sewage, leakages into the houses, sewage, leakages into fne infe— houses, sewage, leakages into fne fnfe fne— houses, sewage, leakages into the into the sea— houses, sewage, leakages into the into the sea and some of the neeenee— the into the sea and some of the neeenee fn— the into the sea and some of the beaches in south— the into the sea and some of the beaches in south eastern fngfenf. — beaches in south eastern england. and— beaches in south eastern england. and yeah, it's a mess. ringer,— england. and yeah, it's a mess. michael, thanks— england. and yeah, it's a mess. michael, thanks for coming on we— michael, thanks for coming on end enenng— michael, thanks for coming on and sharing some— michael, thanks for coming on and sharing some of your eneneneee— and sharing some of your experiences and observations. ane— experiences and observations. anf f— experiences and observations. anf f nene— experiences and observations. we w nene fne— experiences and observations. and i hope the situation gets fweffew— and i hope the situation gets fweffew few— and i hope the situation gets better for you _ and i hope the situation gets better for you quickly. i worry fnef— better for you quickly. i worry fnef ff— better for you quickly. i worry fnef ff wen-f— better for you quickly. i worry that it won't necessarily do fnee— that it won't necessarily do fnef. fnenk— that it won't necessarily do that. thank you. - that it won't necessarily do that. thank you. what do you fnfnk— that. thank you. what do you fnfnk eeewf— that. thank you. what do you think about it?— that. thank you. what do you think about it? i— that. thank you. what do you think about it? i mean, water it is think about it? i mean, water it fe fne— think about it? i mean, water it fe fne neef— think about it? i mean, water it is the most basic— think about it? i mean, water it is the most basic nick of all commodities— is the most basic nick of all commodities for— is the most basic nick of all commodities for life, but for settlements— commodities for life, but for settlements ,_ commodities for life, but for settlements , you know, where did settlements, you know, where did in fne— settlements, you know, where did in we ewfy— settlements, you know, where did in the early days— settlements, you know, where did in the early days where did man nwfe— in the early days where did man fwfff nfeeee— in the early days where did man build places to _ in the early days where did man build places to live, where they eewff — build places to live, where they eewff gef— build places to live, where they could get warm _ build places to live, where they could get warm water? and now newe— could get warm water? and now newe we— could get warm water? and now newe we fn— could get warm water? and now here we are in the— could get warm water? and now here we are in the 21st century we— here we are in the 21st century enef ewnneeeffy— here we are in the 21st century and supposedly one of the neneef— and supposedly one of the richest countries in the world, so richest countries in the world, ee beefy— richest countries in the world, so badly managed, so badly ewgenfeef— so badly managed, so badly organised that— so badly managed, so badly organised that we have folks feffewe— organised that we have folks feffewe ene— organised that we have folks believe me, you— organised that we have folks believe me, you heard it here fwef— believe me, you heard it here ffwef. fnee— believe me, you heard it here first. there will— believe me, you heard it here first. there will be over the new— first. there will be over the new few— first. there will be over the next few years, _ first. there will be over the next few years, a - first. there will be over the next few years, a major water ewefe— next few years, a major water enefe eenfng— next few years, a major water crisis coming down the tracks enf— crisis coming down the tracks enef fney-ff— crisis coming down the tracks and they'll tell— crisis coming down the tracks and they'll tell you it's about

gfefef— and they'll tell you it's about global warming. _ and they'll tell you it's about global warming. they'll tell you it's global warming. they'll tell you we eeewf— global warming. they'll tell you it's about climate— global warming. they'll tell you it's about climate change. aefweffy— it's about climate change. actually, it's— it's about climate change. actually, it's about the nenwfwfen— actually, it's about the population explosion. now what? were— population explosion. now what? were nef— population explosion. now what? we're not drinking— population explosion. now what? we're not drinking water, of course , beer is— we're not drinking water, of course , beer is a very good course, beer is a very good eewen— course, beer is a very good enffen .— course, beer is a very good enffen . ane— course, beer is a very good option . and what the farage option. and what the farage eneenenf— option. and what the farage moment today— option. and what the farage moment today on that is that exfweenffnwy— moment today on that is that extraordinary plea. we have eewenee— extraordinary plea. we have breweries and,— extraordinary plea. we have breweries and, you know, big ewenee— breweries and, you know, big wenee ffke— breweries and, you know, big brands like foster's , but also brands like foster's, but also weff— brands like foster's, but also weff knewn— brands like foster's, but also well known household bottled nfffewe— well known household bottled ffffewe enf— well known household bottled bitters and craftily what the eewene— bitters and craftily what the brewers have _ bitters and craftily what the brewers have done is to reduce the brewers have done is to reduce fne efeenef— brewers have done is to reduce the alcohol content of the beers so the alcohol content of the beers ee fnef— the alcohol content of the beers ee fnef fney— the alcohol content of the beers ee fnw fney pey— the alcohol content of the beers ee fnw fney ney e— the alcohol content of the beers so that they pay a lower duty. fnef-e— so that they pay a lower duty. me new— so that they pay a lower duty. me new ff— so that they pay a lower duty. that's how it works. spirit manufacturers— that's how it works. spirit manufacturers obviously are paying— manufacturers obviously are neyfng fne— manufacturers obviously are paying the highest level of fwfw— paying the highest level of wfy, ee— paying the highest level of wfy, ee ff— paying the highest level of wfy, ee ff fe— paying the highest level of duty, so it is called drink fnffeffen— duty, so it is called drink inflation and— duty, so it is called drink inflation and i- duty, so it is called drink inflation and i think it's a bit of inflation and i think it's a bit ef e— inflation and i think it's a bit of a scandal.— inflation and i think it's a bit of a scandal. goodness me, fney-we— of a scandal. goodness me, they're watering— of a scandal. goodness me, they're watering down the beer, wnefewew— they're watering down the beer, wnefewew few— they're watering down the beer, whatever for next. _ they're watering down the beer, whatever for next. well the real wnw— whatever for next. well the real wnw fne— whatever for next. well the real what the farage _ whatever for next. well the real what the farage moment is wicks us what the farage moment is wicks us fne— what the farage moment is wicks us the household— what the farage moment is wicks us the household store and you go us the household store and you ge fnee— us the household store and you ge fnewe. wfe— us the household store and you ge fnewe. ff-e e— us the household store and you go there. it's a builder's merchants.— go there. it's a builder's merchants. but we often go there ourselves. don't— merchants. but we often go there ourselves. don't we,— merchants. but we often go there ourselves. don't we, to buy a nwnffwwwen— ourselves. don't we, to buy a nwnffwwwen ew— ourselves. don't we, to buy a paintbrush or whatever it may be. paintbrush or whatever it may fwe- ane— paintbrush or whatever it may be. and they're—

paintbrush or whatever it may be. and they're chief operating efffeew— be. and they're chief operating officer fraser— be. and they're chief operating officer fraser london has said fnef— officer fraser london has said fnef wene— officer fraser london has said that trans critical— officer fraser london has said that trans critical shoppers are not that trans critical shoppers are nef efee— that trans critical shoppers are not welcome to _ that trans critical shoppers are not welcome to branches of wfekee— not welcome to branches of wfekee .— not welcome to branches of wickes , which— not welcome to branches of wickes , which kind of means that wickes, which kind of means that feee— wickes, which kind of means that feee yew— wickes, which kind of means that unless you think— wickes, which kind of means that unless you think it's fine for a nfeke— unless you think it's fine for a nfeke fe— unless you think it's fine for a nfeke fe eey— unless you think it's fine for a bloke to say he's— unless you think it's fine for a bloke to say he's a woman and men— bloke to say he's a woman and fnen wfn— bloke to say he's a woman and fnen wfn e— bloke to say he's a woman and then win a swimming contest or a eyeffng— then win a swimming contest or a eyeffng eenfeeff— then win a swimming contest or a cycling contest, you— then win a swimming contest or a cycling contest, you can't go enennfng— cycling contest, you can't go enennfng fn— cycling contest, you can't go shopping in. wickes. well, we eeenee— shopping in. wickes. well, we decided we'd— shopping in. wickes. well, we decided we'd do— shopping in. wickes. well, we decided we'd do something about it. decided we'd do something about ff-ee— decided we'd do something about ff-ee wewe— decided we'd do something about ff-ee wewe fe— decided we'd do something about it.-gb news is joe.- decided we'd do something about it. gb news is joe. casper it. and gb news is joe. casper wenf— it. and gb news is joe. casper wenf fe— it. and gb news is joe. casper wenf fe fne— it. and gb news is joe. casper went to the muswell hill branch of went to the muswell hill branch ef wfekee— went to the muswell hill branch ef wfekee fe— went to the muswell hill branch of wickes to ask— went to the muswell hill branch of wickes to ask customers wnefnew— of wickes to ask customers whether they'd _ of wickes to ask customers whether they'd shop at the diy efwe— whether they'd shop at the diy efewe egefn— whether they'd shop at the diy efewe egefn .— whether they'd shop at the diy store again. no— whether they'd shop at the diy store again. no i— whether they'd shop at the diy store again . no i wouldn't. \w:tw store again. no i wouldn't. no, efffy— store again. no i wouldn't. no, efffy fnfng— store again. no i wouldn't. no, efffy fnfng fe— store again. no i wouldn't. no, silly thing to say,— store again. no i wouldn't. no, silly thing to say, really, isn't it? you would shop there egefn— isn't it? you would shop there egefn f— isn't it? you would shop there egwn eween— isn't it? you would shop there again ? yeah, of— c 7 you would shop there again ? yeah, of course. yeah, again? yeah, of course. yeah, gwffe— again? yeah, of course. yeah, quite happily-— again? yeah, of course. yeah, quite happily. yeah. i'm not a ffgef— quite happily. yeah. i'm not a fwfgef enf— quite happily. yeah. i'm not a fwfgef enef fwe— quite happily. yeah. i'm not a bigot and i've got no no nwefwfene— bigot and i've got no no problems either way. i think wfee— problems either way. i think twice before— problems either way. i think twice before i— problems either way. i think twice before i do shop there. everybody has a place. no, of course i wouldn't shop there. now. everyone equal and now. everyone is equal and eenyene— now. everyone is equal and everyone should— now. everyone is equal and everyone should be allowed ewenywnewe— everyone should be allowed everywhere i him - everyone should be allowed everywhere him to everywhere by him to just eennnnenf— everywhere by him to just comment on— everywhere by him to just comment on sort of everywhere by him to just- comment on-sort of matters

comment on these sort of matters . wee— comment on these sort of matters . we-e nee— comment on these sort of matters . new new ffke— comment on these sort of matters . he's he's like in— comment on these sort of matters . he's he's like in a— comment on these sort of matters . he's he's like in a building game. he should. do you know what i mean? not really. his opinions , you know what i mean? opinions, you know what i mean? just keeping to himself really. i don't think shops are anybody enewe— i don't think shops are anybody should -those- i don't think shops are anybody should those ideas . should get into those ideas. i f— should get into those ideas. i mean, i actually— should get into those ideas. i mean, i actually believe- should get into those ideas. i mean, i actually believe that women are women and i'm got no problem with trans people at all. but i think we have to be quite clear, you know, the difference between a woman and let them be in a safe space. you wouldn't shop at wickes? probably not if he felt like that. i mean, i welcome anybody who's gay or trans anything , but who's gay or trans anything, but i think people are allowed their own opinions and should be able to express them and not feel they have to shut up . oh dear. they have to shut up. oh dear. oh dear, oh dear.— they have to shut up. oh dear. oh dear, oh dear. the- t. oh dear. oh dear, oh dear. the last neeen— oh dear, oh dear. the last person we spoke to there said women are women. gosh that wewffn-f— women are women. gosh that wewffn-f ge— women are women. gosh that wouldn't go down— women are women. gosh that wouldn't go down very well in eewfefn— wouldn't go down very well in certain quarters— wouldn't go down very well in certain quarters now, it? certain quarters now, would it? go,— certain quarters now, would it? we, nef— certain quarters now, would it? we, nef fn— certain quarters now, would it? no, not in 21st— certain quarters now, would it? no, not in 21st century britain. ane— no, not in 21st century britain. anf nef. — no, not in 21st century britain. and not. absolutely. and it's eewf— and not. absolutely. and it's eewf ef— and not. absolutely. and it's sort of turning— and not. absolutely. and it's

sort of turning out tonight to be e— sort of turning out tonight to be e eff— sort of turning out tonight to be e eff ef— sort of turning out tonight to be e eff ef e— sort of turning out tonight to be a bit of a southie special fweewee— be a bit of a southie special because we're— be a bit of a southie special because we're going to go back to because we're going to go back fe-sweeew— because we're going to go back to .sussex, where - because we're going to go back to-sussex, where a- because we're going to go back to sussex, where a huge row to east sussex, where a huge row nee— to east sussex, where a huge row neee—e— to east sussex, where a huge row has—over a school- to east sussex, where a huge row has—over a school in. has broken out over a school in rye.— has broken out over a school in rye. ane— has broken out over a school in eye. and ff— has broken out over a school in eye. and ff wee— has broken out over a school in rye. and it was all— has broken out over a school in rye. and it was all over. one of fne— rye. and it was all over. one of we kffe— rye. and it was all over. one of the kids wanting— rye. and it was all over. one of the kids wanting to— rye. and it was all over. one of the kids wanting to identify as a the kids wanting to identify as e eef— the kids wanting to identify as e eef .— the kids wanting to identify as e eef . ane— the kids wanting to identify as a cat . and apparently that's a cat. and apparently that's weefwfefy— a cat. and apparently that's absolutely fine,— a cat. and apparently that's absolutely fine, according to fne— absolutely fine, according to we feeenew— absolutely fine, according to the teacher and— absolutely fine, according to the teacher and a 13 year old fnef— the teacher and a 13 year old that questioned— the teacher and a 13 year old that questioned it was threatened— that questioned it was threatened with being kicked out of threatened with being kicked out ef fne— threatened with being kicked out ef fne eeneef.— threatened with being kicked out of the school. i— threatened with being kicked out of the school. i know it sounds nwf— of the school. i know it sounds new wfe— of the school. i know it sounds new ff-e nef— of the school. i know it sounds mad. it's not april— of the school. i know it sounds mad. it's not april the 1st. i nwenfee— mad. it's not april the 1st. i nwenfee yew— mad. it's not april the 1st. i promise you we'll do that story in fwef— promise you we'll do that story in iwef e— promise you we'll do that story in just a moment— promise you we'll do that story in just a moment .—

it was a church of england eeneef— it was a church of england eeneef fn— it was a church of england school in rye,— it was a church of england school in rye, east sussex , a school in rye, east sussex, a wefnew— school in rye, east sussex, a rather beautiful— school in rye, east sussex, a rather beautiful little old mediaeval_ rather beautiful little old mediaeval town. but yes, at rye cong...— mediaeval town. but yes, at rye eeffege, e— mediaeval town. but yes, at rye eeffege, e fe— mediaeval town. but yes, at rye college, a 13 year— mediaeval town. but yes, at rye college, a 13 year old and her fnenf— college, a 13 year old and her fnenf nwe— college, a 13 year old and her friend have been— college, a 13 year old and her friend have been in real gouge,— friend have been in real trouble, actually, threat and one— trouble, actually, threat and one being— trouble, actually, threat and obe being told— trouble, actually, threat and obe being told they might need to obe being told they might need fe enewe— obe being told they might need to move schools.— obe being told they might need to move schools. have a listen to move schools. have a listen

fe fne— to move schools. have a listen to this transcript— to move schools. have a listen to this transcript of a teacher enf— to this transcript of a teacher ene e— to this transcript of a teacher ene e fe— to this transcript of a teacher ene e we yew— to this transcript of a teacher and a 13 year old— to this transcript of a teacher and a 13 year old talking about genfew— and a 13 year old talking about gender identity— and a 13 year old talking about gender identity . _ and a 13 year old talking about gender identity . ct gender identity. i'll tell you, you— gender identity. i'll tell you, you just really upset someone saying things like, should be in an asylum. i i just didn't think if they want to identify how something then they're like genuinely on that. yeah that's crazy . you kristian niemietz crazy. you kristian niemietz there. i've been posing the question . i was just saying question. i was just saying about the gender. i ain't saying anything about them. there's only two genders. if you are talking about the fact that cis genderis talking about the fact that cis gender is the norm, that you identify with the gender, that with the sexual organs that you're born with or you're with, that's basically what you're saying. yeah. which really saying. yeah. which is really despicable. well, saying. yeah. which is really despicable . well, well done to despicable. well, well done to fnef— despicable. well, well done to fnef fe— despicable. well, well done to fnef we yew— despicable. well, well done to that 13 year old— despicable. well, well done to that 13 year old girl— : t well, well done to that 13 year old girl for efenffng— that 13 year old girl for efeneffng wn— that 13 year old girl for standing up to that bullying, neefenng— standing up to that bullying, hectoring teacher . and it all hectoring teacher. and it all nwnenef— hectoring teacher. and it all happened because one of the gfwfe— happened because one of the gfwfe-efeee— happened because one of the girls-class wants- happened because one of the girls class wants now to girls in the class wants now to ffenfffy— girls in the class wants now to identify-which - girls in the class wants now to identify which which identify as a cat, which which fne— identify as a cat, which which we efnew— identify as a cat, which which the other student— identify as a cat, which which the other student said they

fnewgnf— the other student said they fnewgnf wee— the other student said they thought was absolutely crackers. and thought was absolutely crackers. anf ene— thought was absolutely crackers. wne ene eewneee— thought was absolutely crackers. and she perhaps wasn't well in the and she perhaps wasn't well in we neee.— and she perhaps wasn't well in the head. well— and she perhaps wasn't well in the head. well how can you be weff— the head. well how can you be weff fn— the head. well how can you be weff fn fne— the head. well how can you be well in the head— the head. well how can you be well in the head if— the head. well how can you be well in the head if you want to ffenfffy— well in the head if you want to ffenfffy ee— well in the head if you want to ffenfffy ee e— well in the head if you want to identify as a cat?— well in the head if you want to identify as a cat? this whole fnfng— identify as a cat? this whole fnfng fe— identify as a cat? this whole fnfng fe ewwy— identify as a cat? this whole thing is crazy and actually fneee— thing is crazy and actually fneee wne— thing is crazy and actually those who preach tolerate this are now becoming the most fnfefewenf— are now becoming the most intolerant people of a lot threatening— intolerant people of a lot threatening a— intolerant people of a lot threatening a 13 year old. but eewneee— threatening a 13 year old. but newnwe ff— threatening a 13 year old. but perhaps it wasn't— threatening a 13 year old. but perhaps it wasn't the right eeneef— perhaps it wasn't the right eeneef few— perhaps it wasn't the right school for her— perhaps it wasn't the right school for her is extraordinary. wen, — school for her is extraordinary. wen, fn— school for her is extraordinary. well, i'm joined— school for her is extraordinary. well, i'm joined down the line by debbie— well, i'm joined down the line by debbie hayton , who is by debbie hayton, who is a fwenegenfew— by debbie hayton, who is a transgender teacher and eneefefew— transgender teacher and spectator columnist . debbie, i spectator columnist. debbie, i wewy— spectator columnist. debbie, i was very amused— spectator columnist. debbie, i was very amused by a comment fnef— was very amused by a comment fnef yew— was very amused by a comment fnw yew nwfe— was very amused by a comment fnw yew neee .— was very amused by a comment that you made , which was along that you made, which was along the that you made, which was along fne ffnee— that you made, which was along fne ffnee ef— that you made, which was along fne ffnee ef .— that you made, which was along the lines of, you— that you made, which was along the lines of , you know , the lines of, you know, mathematics- the lines of, you know, mathematics to 18 is one thing, but mathematics to 18 is one thing, fwf wene— mathematics to 18 is one thing, but we're having— mathematics to 18 is one thing, but we're having a— mathematics to 18 is one thing, but we're having a bit of fwewffe— but we're having a bit of trouble with— but we're having a bit of trouble with biology. why why was trouble with biology. why why fnef— trouble with biology. why why was that teacher— trouble with biology. why why was that teacher debbie so fnfefewenf— was that teacher debbie so intolerant ? _ was that teacher debbie so intolerant ? wits intolerant? well, people have been people have taken on all sorts of odd ideas . nigel, we've sorts of odd ideas. nigel, we've got children in schools who are identifying as cats, and really we should be helping these children understand themselves that they're not a cat, they're a human being . and yes , yes,

a human being. and yes, yes, yes, a human being. and yes, yes, yee ef— a human being. and yes, yes, yee, ef eewwee— a human being. and yes, yes, yee, ef .— a human being. and yes, yes, yes, of course , that's- ”w?" 9 and yes, yes, yes, of course , that's right. yes, of course, that's right. gig— yes, of course, that's right. we fwf— yes, of course, that's right. we fwf .— yes, of course, that's right. but, but , but— yes, of course, that's right. but, but, but why is it have we feef— but, but, but why is it have we feef fne— but, but, but why is it have we feef fne fine— but, but, but why is it have we lost the line ?_ but, but, but why is it have we lost the line ? hang . on why is lost the line? hang. on why is it lost the line? hang. on why is ff wny— lost the line? hang. on why is ff wny fe— lost the line? hang. on why is ff wny fe ff— lost the line? hang. on why is it why is it that— lost the line? hang. on why is it why is it that that anybody in fne— it why is it that that anybody in this case,— it why is it that that anybody in this case, the— it why is it that that anybody in this case, the 13 year old, enyfwefy— in this case, the 13 year old, enyfwefy fnef— in this case, the 13 year old, anybody that stands up , i in this case, the 13 year old, anybody that stands up, i mean, ewwefy— anybody that stands up, i mean, ewefy feeenfng— anybody that stands up, i mean, surely teaching i— anybody that stands up, i mean, surely teaching i mean, you're a feeenen— surely teaching i mean, you're a feeenen ewwefy— surely teaching i mean, you're a teacher, surely teaching is eeewf— teacher, surely teaching is about encouraging debate among young— about encouraging debate among yewng neewe— about encouraging debate among young pebble -_ about encouraging debate among young people . open, healthy young people. open, healthy eeewe— young people. open, healthy fenefe .— young people. open, healthy debate . what— young people. open, healthy debate . what seems to be going debate. what seems to be going on debate. what seems to be going en fe— debate. what seems to be going on is we're shutting down debate and on is we're shutting down debate ene eeyfng— on is we're shutting down debate and we're saying to— on is we're shutting down debate and we're saying to young neewe,— and we're saying to young neenfe, fne— and we're saying to young people, this is— and we're saying to young people, this is what you must wink.— people, this is what you must fnfnk. ane— people, this is what you must think. and anybody that gweeffene— think. and anybody that questions it— think. and anybody that questions it better leave the eeneef— questions it better leave the eeneef . — questions it better leave the eeneef . wee.— questions it better leave the school . yes, this- questions it better leave the school . “4115 questions it better leave the school. v/w:3 questions it better leave the school . v/w:~3 school. yes, this is not this is not tolerance. this is intolerance . this is setting intolerance. this is setting down ideas and if you do not follow these ideas, then you're a despicable person. the fact is that these really strange ideas have taken root in education and teachers really ought to know better than to than to propagate

it. but as teachers, what we're really struggling with is a lack of guidance from above. we're we're schools are often making making policy up. we've been waiting for guidance from the government for quite some time. it has been promised now. but the fact the fact is that we are not given the guidance that we need and that teachers have just gone completely astray on this idea. yeah, i mean, what sunak nee— idea. yeah, i mean, what sunak nee eefe— idea. yeah, i mean, what sunak nee eefe ewen— idea. yeah, i mean, what sunak has said over the— : yeah, i mean, what sunak has said over the course of the few— has said over the course of the feef few— has said over the course of the feef few feye— has said over the course of the last few days is— has said over the course of the last few days is that children enewe— last few days is that children enewff nef— last few days is that children should not be— last few days is that children should not be able to change fnew— should not be able to change were genfew— should not be able to change their gender identity without wffnewf— their gender identity without wffnewf fne — their gender identity without without the parents knowing fwef— without the parents knowing ffwef. ane— without the parents knowing first. and that— without the parents knowing first. and that sounds to me ffke— first. and that sounds to me ffke geef— first. and that sounds to me like good common sense. parents ewgnf— like good common sense. parents ewgnf fe— like good common sense. parents ewgnf fe fwe— like good common sense. parents ewgnf fe fwe nwf— like good common sense. parents ought to be part absolutely of fne— ought to be part absolutely of fnfe egweffen— ought to be part absolutely of this equation .— ought to be part absolutely of this equation . but if it's given this equation. but if it's given , weenie,— this equation. but if it's given , debug fn— this equation. but if it's given , debbie, in just— this equation. but if it's given , debbie, in just the form of gwffeneef— , debbie, in just the form of gwffenee, yew— , debbie, in just the form of guidance, you know, my concern is guidance, you know, my concern fe fnewe— guidance, you know, my concern fe fnewe we— guidance, you know, my concern fe fnewe nwfe— guidance, you know, my concern is there are parts of— guidance, you know, my concern is there are parts of the education— is there are parts of the education system that have been so education system that have been ee ewewfeke— education system that have been ee ewewfeke ny— education system that have been so overtake by the— education system that have been so overtake by the radical left fnef— so overtake by the radical left fnef fney— so overtake by the radical left that they simply— so overtake by the radical left that they simply won't listen .

that they simply won't listen. weff. — that they simply won't listen. weff. eenne— that they simply won't listen. well, some people— that they simply won't listen. well, some people won't- that they simply won't listen. well, some people won't listen, but people who people who have still got some grip of reality will at least have have a document which gives them the confidence to stick up their hands and say, we think there's something even something wrong here. but even the comments which you reported, the comments which you reported, the minister is the prime minister is establishing this idea that children do have a gender identity obe and even that is conjecture . rather, it's an idea conjecture. rather, it's an idea which is very new, is gender identity. nobody needs a gender identity. nobody needs a gender identity. and even to be actually explained, even even to suggest the idea is establishing this in as a fact. and i think that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, so that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, ee efe— that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, ee fe f.— that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, ee fe ,_ ane— that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, so do i. and thank— that's wrong. yeah. no, debbie, so do i. and thank you- 3 yeah. no, debbie, so do i. and thank you very much fnfeef— so do i. and thank you very much fnfeef few— so do i. and thank you very much indeed for joining— so do i. and thank you very much indeed forjoining me down the indeed for joining me down the fine— indeed for joining me down the fine fe— indeed for joining me down the line to discuss— indeed for joining me down the line to discuss this today. and i line to discuss this today. and f weny— line to discuss this today. and w weny nwen— line to discuss this today. and i very much hope— line to discuss this today. and i very much hope that this 13 yew— i very much hope that this 13 yeew eff— i very much hope that this 13 yew eff fe— i very much hope that this 13 year old is able— i very much hope that this 13 year old is able to stay at rye eeffege. — year old is able to stay at rye eeffege. f— year old is able to stay at rye college. i really,— year old is able to stay at rye college. i really, really do. wew,— college. i really, really do. wew ff-e— college. i really, really do. now, it's been— college. i really, really do. now, it's been a- college. i really, really do. now, it's been a busy day down in westminster— now, it's been a busy day down in westminster because, of course, parliament has been fefeffng— course, parliament has been fefeffng .— course, parliament has been fenwfng . un— course, parliament has been debating . uh, yes, of course . debating. uh, yes, of course. we— debating. uh, yes, of course. we fne— debating. uh, yes, of course. we we weren— debating. uh, yes, of course. it's the report into boris renneen— it's the report into boris renneen .— it's the report into boris johnson . and- it's the report into boris johnson . and even though he's

johnson. and even though he's gene— johnson. and even though he's gene we— johnson. and even though he's gene we nee— johnson. and even though he's gone and he's not— johnson. and even though he's gone and he's not in parliament, fnewe-e— gone and he's not in parliament, fnewe-e eeen— gone and he's not in parliament, fnewe-e eeen e— gone and he's not in parliament, there's been a debate and i wenee— there's been a debate and i wonder whether— there's been a debate and i wonder whether there's actually going— wonder whether there's actually gefng fe— wonder whether there's actually gefng fe fwe— wonder whether there's actually gefng fe be e— wonder whether there's actually going to be a vote. so jacob keee—ffegg— going to be a vote. so jacob keee—ffegg fe— going to be a vote. so jacob rees—mogg is still there in fwffenenf— rees—mogg is still there in parliament working away. i'm going— parliament working away. i'm gefng fe— parliament working away. i'm gefng fe neff— parliament working away. i'm going to hold the fort here over the going to hold the fort here over we eewwee— going to hold the fort here over the course of— going to hold the fort here over the course of the— going to hold the fort here over the course of the next hour, but fwefe— the course of the next hour, but jacob wfff— the course of the next hour, but jacob wfff p0p— the course of the next hour, but jacob will pop onto your screens as jacob will pop onto your screens ee effen— jacob will pop onto your screens ee effen ee— jacob will pop onto your screens ee effen ee ne— jacob will pop onto your screens as often as he possibly can. ween— as often as he possibly can. reeefw wnw-e— as often as he possibly can. jacob what's the _ as often as he possibly can. jacob what's the news? and will fne— jacob what's the news? and will this privileges— jacob what's the news? and will this privileges committee report go this privileges committee report ge fe— this privileges committee report ge fe e— this privileges committee report ge fe e wefe— this privileges committee report go to a vote this— this privileges committee report go to a vote this evening . go to a vote this evening. i expect— go to a vote this evening. i expect fneee— go to a vote this evening. i expect there will- go to a vote this evening. i expect there will be- go to a vote this evening. i expect there will be a- go to a vote this evening. i expect there will be a vote, but it will be a fake vote. that is to say, the labour party will vote and very few conservatives will. most conservatives will abstain. this process has not been a fair one. it hasn't treated boris johnson reasonably. and if you read the report, they just jumped to conclusions without having evidence for it. that's what people have been saying in the debate. people like me and other mps have been pointing out some of the routine in the of the routine errors in the report. but yeah, but of the routine errors in the report . but yeah, but jacob, of the routine errors in the report. but yeah, but jacob, i nwfe— report. but yeah, but jacob, i neee fne— report. but yeah, but jacob, i made the point— report. but yeah, but jacob, i made the point to— ”wtszth but yeah, but jacob, i made the point to you 3:3th but yeah, but jacob, i made the point to you there ”wt3w1tw but yeah, but jacob, i made the point to you there were few— made the point to you there were four conservative— made the point to you there were four conservative mps on this

eennfffee— four conservative mps on this eennfffee .— four conservative mps on this eennfffee . — four conservative mps on this committee . you— four conservative mps on this committee . v/w1tw. committee. you know, that's absolutely true. there were four conservative mps on the committee, but the report is always drafted by the chairman of the committee and i tried to get across the point to harriet harman herself that she should have followed the hoffmann principle and recused herself. she stood aside she should have stood aside because she was seen to be partial , she because she was seen to be partial, she said. some government had it government minister had said it was for her to do it, was all right for her to do it, but didn't say who. so that but she didn't say who. so that rather leaves question up in rather leaves the question up in the air. well, jacob, we'll find ewf— the air. well, jacob, we'll find ewf wnw— the air. well, jacob, we'll find ewf wnw fne— the air. well, jacob, we'll find out what the -of- the air. well, jacob, we'll find out what the -of all- ” well, jacob, we'll find out what the of all that out what the result of all that is out what the result of all that fe fefew. — out what the result of all that is later. you'll— out what the result of all that is later. you'll be— out what the result of all that is later. you'll be joining us fne— is later. you'll be joining us over the course— is later. you'll be joining us over the course of the next hour fwe— over the course of the next hour ffwe fwen — over the course of the next hour live from westminster. i'll be week— live from westminster. i'll be feek ef— live from westminster. i'll be feek ef fne— live from westminster. i'll be back at the top— live from westminster. i'll be back at the top of the hour. but for back at the top of the hour. but few nw— back at the top of the hour. but few fef-e— back at the top of the hour. but for now, let's have— back at the top of the hour. but for now, let's have at for now, let's have a look at fne— for now, let's have a look at we eff— for now, let's have a look at the all important- for now, let's have a look at the all important weather . hi the all important weather. hi fnewe. — the all important weather. hi there. .aidan_ the all important weather. hi there. .aidan magee- the all important weather. hi there. 1 .vw�*iwtfwgwtnt; there. it's aidan magee ivan here from the met office with the gb news forecast. today's showers, where _ the gb news forecast. today's showers, where they- c \w t today's showers, where they have occurred will— showers, where they have occurred will ease for a time ewewnfgnff— occurred will ease for a time overnight, turning in the overnight, turning drier in the newn— overnight, turning drier in the new—eewfn- overnight, turning drier in thei north,_south. that's north, but further south. that's wnewe— north, but further south. that's wnewe fne— north, but further south. that's where the next— north, but further south. that's where the next area of rain or even some thunderstorms turns up ewewnfgnf. — even some thunderstorms turns up ewewnfgnf. fne— even some thunderstorms turns up overnight. this weather system eenfng— overnight. this weather system eenfng ewf— overnight. this weather system eenfng ewf ef— overnight. this weather system coming out of the— overnight. this weather system coming out of the continent will nwen—

coming out of the continent will nwen wn— coming out of the continent will nwen we ee— coming out of the continent will push up some heavy and newefefenf— push up some heavy and persistent rain- push up some heavy and persistent rain by midnight into eewfnewn— persistent rain by midnight into southern areas— persistent rain by midnight into southern areas .— persistent rain by midnight into southern areas . whilst further southern areas. whilst further newn— southern areas. whilst further newfn fne— southern areas. whilst further north, the rain— southern areas. whilst further north, the rain clears and the eewewen— north, the rain clears and the showers disappear. so that seeffenw— showers disappear. so that scotland, northern ireland, much of scotland, northern ireland, much ef newfnewn— scotland, northern ireland, much of northern england, sees dry enf— of northern england, sees dry ene efew— of northern england, sees dry and clear weather overnight . but and clear weather overnight. but across southwest— and clear weather overnight. but across southwest england , south across southwest england, south wefee— across southwest england, south wefee fnef-e— across southwest england, south wales, that's where the heaviest enef— wales, that's where the heaviest ene enewe— wales, that's where the heaviest and more persistent rain will be by fewn— and more persistent rain will be by fewn .— and more persistent rain will be by dawn . temperatures here, by dawn. temperatures here, fnewgn— by dawn. temperatures here, fnewgn neff— by dawn. temperatures here, though, held up— by dawn. temperatures here, though, held up because of the muggy— though, held up because of the nwggy w— though, held up because of the nwggy we,— though, held up because of the nwggy we, w— though, held up because of the muggy air. 16,17 celsius in nfeeee. — muggy air. 16, 17 celsius in nfeeee. fwef— muggy air. 16,17 celsius in places. first thing, but a wet efwe— places. first thing, but a wet efewf few— places. first thing, but a wet start for wales— places. first thing, but a wet start for wales ,_ places. first thing, but a wet start for wales , the south—west, start for wales, the south—west, enf— start for wales, the south—west, ene fnen— start for wales, the south—west, ene fnen ee— start for wales, the south—west, and then some heavy showers wnewfng— and then some heavy showers ennewfng few— and then some heavy showers appearing for southeast england fnewgn— appearing for southeast england fnwewgn fne— appearing for southeast england through the morning as well. all of through the morning as well. all ef fne— through the morning as well. all ef fnfe ee— through the morning as well. all of this moves quickly northwards.- of this moves quickly northwards. so it does dry up in the northwards. so it does dry up in we eewfn— northwards. so it does dry up in the south whilst— northwards. so it does dry up in the south whilst northern fngfenw— the south whilst northern england, southern scotland turns fenn— england, southern scotland turns fwnn ny— england, southern scotland turns fwnn fwy fne— england, southern scotland turns damp by the afternoon away from the damp by the afternoon away from we nww— damp by the afternoon away from we wee— damp by the afternoon away from the main area of— damp by the afternoon away from the main area of rain. damp by the afternoon away from the main area of rain . it's the main area of rain. it's ewnny— the main area of rain. it's ewnny eneffe— the main area of rain. it's sunny spells and heavy fewnnewwe— sunny spells and heavy downpours, hit and miss showers . ewf— downpours, hit and miss showers . ewf wnewe— downpours, hit and miss showers . but where these— downpours, hit and miss showers . but where these do occur, eeneefeffy— . but where these do occur, especially towards east and eewfneeef— especially towards east and southeast england, could be some serious thunderstorms, some ffgnfnfng— serious thunderstorms, some ffgnfnfng enf— serious thunderstorms, some lightning and some hail and fwge— lightning and some hail and large amounts— lightning and some hail and large amounts of rain in a short eneee— large amounts of rain in a short eneee ef— large amounts of rain in a short eneee ef fine.— large amounts of rain in a short space of time. they don't last fee— space of time. they don't last fee feng— space of time. they don't last fee feng infe— space of time. they don't last too long into the— space of time. they don't last too long into the evening. by nffnfgnf—

too long into the evening. by nffnfgnf .— too long into the evening. by nffnfgnf , ff— too long into the evening. by midnight, it looks like most nfeeee— midnight, it looks like most nfeeee wfff— midnight, it looks like most places will turn— midnight, it looks like most places will turn drier and efewew— places will turn drier and clearer-again.- places will turn drier and clearer again. despite the clearer once again. despite the efew— clearer once again. despite the efeew ekfee— clearer once again. despite the clear skies, though, it's enefnew— clear skies, though, it's another warmer than average nfgnf— another warmer than average night temperatures in the night with temperatures in the eewfn— night with temperatures in the eewfn-ef— night with temperatures in the eewfn -ef fne - night with temperatures in the south -at the mid - night with temperatures in the south at the mid teens south staying at the mid teens in fne— south staying at the mid teens in we newn— south staying at the mid teens in the north. 1314— south staying at the mid teens in the north. 1314 celsius geneweffy— in the north. 1314 celsius geneweffy .— in the north. 1314 celsius generally . and it's a damp start generally. and it's a damp start for generally. and it's a damp start few wefenw— generally. and it's a damp start for shetland. first— generally. and it's a damp start for shetland. first thing wefneefey— for shetland. first thing wednesday, but otherwise plenty of wednesday, but otherwise plenty ef ewnenfne— wednesday, but otherwise plenty of sunshine first— wednesday, but otherwise plenty of sunshine first and of sunshine first thing and we-ff— of sunshine first thing and we-ff-fnef— of sunshine first thing and we'll that sunny outlook we'll keep that sunny outlook going— we'll keep that sunny outlook gefng-fne— we'll keep that sunny outlook going the afternoon, i going into the afternoon, i rink,— going into the afternoon, i my, fn— going into the afternoon, i think, in many— going into the afternoon, i think, in many places. but eewewen— think, in many places. but eewewen fn— think, in many places. but showers in western scotland, wewfnewn— showers in western scotland, northern ireland, western fngfenf— northern ireland, western fngfenf enf— northern ireland, western england and wales will develop fefwfy— england and wales will develop fefwfy-fne— england and wales will develop fairly the afternoon . fairly widely by the afternoon. agefn — fairly widely by the afternoon. agefn nif— fairly widely by the afternoon. kgwn nff enf— fairly widely by the afternoon. again, hit and miss downpours, eff— again, hit and miss downpours, eff-ef— again, hit and miss downpours, eff-ef-ew- again, hit and miss downpours, eff-ef-ew eweni odd rumble of thunder or even nwf— odd rumble of thunder or even some hail possible in some of fneee— some hail possible in some of these showers.— some hail possible in some of these showers. some areas will nnfee— these showers. some areas will nfee—fnwefeyl miss them entirely. thursday enefnew— miss them entirely. thursday enefnew-ef— miss them entirely. thursday another of sunny spells and another day of sunny spells and showers,-turning_ another day of sunny spells and showers, turning hotter showers, but turning hotter fwef— showers, but turning hotter fefew fne— showers, but turning hotter later this week— showers, but turning hotter later this week .

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