here for the efforts, the rescue efforts . do ask. after his brief efforts. do ask. after his brief statement , we'll be efforts. do ask. after his brief statement, we'll be opening up to some questions for you all. we do have about ten minutes today. so after his following his statement, we do ask to limit everybody to one question and we'll try to get around as many as we can. me and my staff will be available afterwards that take some additional that we can take some additional questions have been questions that may not have been able to or may not able to get to or may not answered fully to get your contact in. and contact information in. and our staff be able to get back staff will be able to get back to you with that information. at this time, like to welcome this time, i'd like to welcome captain jamie frederick, response coordinator in the first district. good first coastguard district. good afternoon. i'm captain- �*" g: 2531 good afternoon. i'm captain jamie frederick— afternoon. i'm captain jamie frederick with— afternoon. i'm captain jamie frederick with the first coastguard _ frederick with the first coastguard district response department— coastguard district response department ,— coastguard district response department , which oversees department, which oversees eah— department, which oversees ach aha— department, which oversees search and rescue operations anaer— search and rescue operations ahaea hea— search and rescue operations under rear admiral john mauger, the under rear admiral john mauger, che hec— under rear admiral john mauger, the first coastguard district commander ._ the first coastguard district commander. i'll provide a brief recap— commander. i'll provide a brief recap cr— commander. i'll provide a brief recap of car— commander. i'll provide a brief recap of our coordinated search charre— recap of our coordinated search ehche rar— recap of our coordinated search

efforts for the— recap of our coordinated search efforts for the 21ft_ recap of our coordinated search efforts for the 21ft submersible whh— efforts for the 21ft submersible whh rhe— efforts for the 21ft submersible with five people— efforts for the 21ft submersible with five people on board, along with— with five people on board, along whh prcrrahp— with five people on board, along with providing an— with five people on board, along with providing an update on crrec— with providing an update on current search— with providing an update on current search efforts and plans for current search efforts and plans far he— current search efforts and plans far the hexa— current search efforts and plans for the next 24— current search efforts and plans for the next 24 hours. on behalf of for the next 24 hours. on behalf ah ah— for the next 24 hours. on behalf ah ah che— for the next 24 hours. on behalf of all the men— for the next 24 hours. on behalf of all the men and— for the next 24 hours. on behalf of all the men and women of the unhea— of all the men and women of the united scarce— of all the men and women of the united states coastguard and our ach— united states coastguard and our each pahhere— united states coastguard and our search partners ,_ united states coastguard and our search partners , we offer our search partners, we offer our cheer— search partners, we offer our most heartfelt— search partners, we offer our most heartfelt thoughts and prayere— most heartfelt thoughts and prayere cr— most heartfelt thoughts and prayers for the— most heartfelt thoughts and prayers for the five crew members, their families and her— members, their families and their crea— members, their families and their loved ones. _ members, their families and their loved ones. our crews are warhea— their loved ones. our crews are wcrchp acrea— their loved ones. our crews are working around the clock to char— working around the clock to ensure that we— working around the clock to ensure that we are doing everyrhhp— ensure that we are doing everything possible to locate the mac— everything possible to locate the titan and— everything possible to locate the titan and the five crew members. yesterday day, we stood up a_ members. yesterday day, we stood up a ahrhea— members. yesterday day, we stood up a unified command consisting of experhee— up a unified command consisting of expertise from _ up a unified command consisting of expertise from the united scarce— of expertise from the united states coastguard. the united scarce— states coastguard. the united scacee harp,— states coastguard. the united states navy, canadian armed rccee— states navy, canadian armed racee aha— states navy, canadian armed forces and coastguard and the mace.— forces and coastguard and the titans. parent— forces and coastguard and the titans. parent company oceangate expedition.— titans. parent company oceangate expedition. this— titans. parent company oceangate expedition. this is— titans. parent company oceangate expedition. this is a— titans. parent company oceangate expedition. this is a complex ach— expedition. this is a complex search effort— expedition. this is a complex search effort which requires hahrpre— search effort which requires multiple agencies with subject charter— multiple agencies with subject matter ,— multiple agencies with subject matter , expertise and matter, expertise and specialised - matter, expertise and specialised equipment . while the specialised equipment. while the us specialised equipment. while the us ccaecpaara— specialised equipment. while the us coastguard has— specialised equipment. while the us coastguard has assumed the cre— us coastguard has assumed the rare cr— us coastguard has assumed the role of search— us coastguard has assumed the role of search and— us coastguard has assumed the role of search and rescue rhreech— role of search and rescue mission coordinator, we do not have— mission coordinator, we do not have ah— mission coordinator, we do not have ah ah— mission coordinator, we do not have all of the— mission coordinator, we do not have all of the necessary experhee— have all of the necessary expertise and _ have all of the necessary expertise and equipment retired repaired— expertise and equipment retired repaired h— expertise and equipment retired repaired h a—

expertise and equipment retired required in a search of this harp-c— required in a search of this harp-c rhe— required in a search of this nature. the unified command hrhpe— nature. the unified command hrhae char— nature. the unified command brings that expertise and additional— brings that expertise and additional capability together to additional capability together c rharrhree— additional capability together to maximise effort in solving the— to maximise effort in solving the very— to maximise effort in solving this very complex problem . and this very complex problem. and car cr— this very complex problem. and we're out of order— this very complex problem. and we're out of order ._ this very complex problem. and we're out of order. here as a rcap — we're out of order. here as a rcap oh— we're out of order. here as a recap. on sunday,- we're out of order. here as a recap. on sunday, the to the coordination— recap. on sunday, the to the coordination command centre in beech— coordination command centre in boston received— coordination command centre in boston received a— coordination command centre in boston received a report from he— boston received a report from the canadian— boston received a report from the canadian expedition vessel hara— the canadian expedition vessel hchar hrhce— the canadian expedition vessel polar prince of— the canadian expedition vessel polar prince of an— the canadian expedition vessel polar prince of an overdue 21ft ehrharhe— polar prince of an overdue 21ft submarine titan,— polar prince of an overdue 21ft submarine titan, with five pecphe— submarine titan, with five pecpre ch — submarine titan, with five people on board. the titan was arrerhprhp— people on board. the titan was arrerhprhp c— people on board. the titan was attempting to dive on the wreck of attempting to dive on the wreck cf the — attempting to dive on the wreck of the titanic— attempting to dive on the wreck of the titanic approximately 900 rhhee— of the titanic approximately 900 rhhee eaec— of the titanic approximately 900 rhhee eaec cr— of the titanic approximately 900 miles east of cape— of the titanic approximately 900 miles east of cape cod and 400 race— miles east of cape cod and 400 rhhee eearh— miles east of cape cod and 400 miles south of— miles east of cape cod and 400 miles south of saint john's, newfoundland. _ miles south of saint john's, newfoundland. approximately one hour newfoundland. approximately one hcar aha— newfoundland. approximately one hear and as— newfoundland. approximately one hour and 45 minutes into the echeaarea— hour and 45 minutes into the scheduled dive— hour and 45 minutes into the scheduled dive ,_ hour and 45 minutes into the scheduled dive , the polar prince scheduled dive, the polar prince cec— scheduled dive, the polar prince cec ah— scheduled dive, the polar prince lost all communication with the mac. — lost all communication with the mac. rhe— lost all communication with the titan. the polar— lost all communication with the titan. the polar prince conducted— titan. the polar prince conducted an- titan. the polar prince conducted an initial search and hen— conducted an initial search and then requested— conducted an initial search and then requested coastguard aeereahcec— then requested coastguard assistance. the— then requested coastguard assistance. the us coastguard in beech— assistance. the us coastguard in

boston assumed— assistance. the us coastguard in boston assumed the responsibility of search and rescue mission— responsibility of search and rescue mission coordinator and rrhrhechaceh— rescue mission coordinator and immediately launched search aeeeec— immediately launched search aeeeec .— immediately launched search assets . since— immediately launched search assets . since sunday, the assets. since sunday, the ccaerpaara— assets. since sunday, the coastguard has coordinated ach— coastguard has coordinated search efforts— coastguard has coordinated search efforts with the us and cahachah— search efforts with the us and canadian coastguard air national chara— canadian coastguard air national guard aircraft— canadian coastguard air national guard aircraft and— canadian coastguard air national guard aircraft and the polar hrhce— guard aircraft and the polar prince, which— guard aircraft and the polar prince, which have searched a ccrhhhea— prince, which have searched a combined 7600mi2. an area larger chan— combined 7600mi2. an area larger than he— combined 7600mi2. an area larger than the ecace— combined 7600mi2. an area larger than the state of— combined 7600mi2. an area larger than the state of connecticut . than the state of connecticut. rheee— than the state of connecticut. these search _ than the state of connecticut. these search efforts have ccaeeea— these search efforts have focussed on _ these search efforts have focussed on both surface with c—ho— focussed on both surface with c—130 aircraft— focussed on both surface with c—130 aircraft searching by eight— c—130 aircraft searching by erphc aha— c—130 aircraft searching by sight and with— c—130 aircraft searching by sight and with radar and subsurface— sight and with radar and subsurface with p—3 aircraft ahhe— subsurface with p—3 aircraft were able to _ subsurface with p—3 aircraft were able to drop and monitor buoys— were able to drop and monitor hacye .— were able to drop and monitor sonar buoys . to— were able to drop and monitor sonar buoys . to date, those sonar buoys. to date, those ach— sonar buoys. to date, those search efforts— sonar buoys. to date, those search efforts have not yielded anv— search efforts have not yielded ahy reeahe— search efforts have not yielded ahy reeahe .— search efforts have not yielded any results . search efforts have any results. search efforts have cchchaea— any results. search efforts have continued through— any results. search efforts have continued through last night and crap— continued through last night and crap .— continued through last night and crap . repay,— continued through last night and today . today, the— continued through last night and today . today, the vessel deep today. today, the vessel deep energy,— today. today, the vessel deep energy, reh— today. today, the vessel deep energy, 194 metre pipe laying eeeh— energy, 194 metre pipe laying vessel arrived— energy, 194 metre pipe laying vessel arrived on— energy, 194 metre pipe laying vessel arrived on scene with underwater— vessel arrived on scene with underwater rov— vessel arrived on scene with underwater rov capability. they have — underwater rov capability. they have rendezvoused with the eeeh— have rendezvoused with the vessel polar— have rendezvoused with the vessel polar prince and commenced an rov dive at the her— commenced an rov dive at the he chewa— commenced an rov dive at the he hhphh cr— commenced an rov dive at the last known of the— commenced an rov dive at the last known of the position of he— last known of the position of the mac— last known of the position of the titan and— last known of the position of the titan and the approximate

pcehrch— the titan and the approximate pcehrch cr— the titan and the approximate position of the— the titan and the approximate position of the titanic wreck. rhac— position of the titanic wreck. that operation _ position of the titanic wreck. that operation is— position of the titanic wreck. that operation is currently chpchp— that operation is currently chpchp .— that operation is currently ongoing . additionally a canadian ongoing. additionally a canadian h—e— ongoing. additionally a canadian h—e arrcrah— ongoing. additionally a canadian p—3 aircraft is— ongoing. additionally a canadian p—3 aircraft is currently cchaacchp— p—3 aircraft is currently conducting a- p—3 aircraft is currently conducting a six hour search of the area— conducting a six hour search of the aha— conducting a six hour search of the area and several c—130 arrcrah— the area and several c—130 aircraft and— the area and several c—130 aircraft and another p—3 are echeaarea— aircraft and another p—3 are scheduled to— aircraft and another p—3 are scheduled to fly— aircraft and another p—3 are scheduled to fly this afternoon aha— scheduled to fly this afternoon and the— scheduled to fly this afternoon and this evening— scheduled to fly this afternoon and this evening ._ scheduled to fly this afternoon and this evening . the canadian and this evening. the canadian ccaecpaara— and this evening. the canadian coastguard cutter— and this evening. the canadian coastguard cutter or vessel john capac— coastguard cutter or vessel john cahcc re— coastguard cutter or vessel john cabot, is scheduled to arrive racer— cabot, is scheduled to arrive later the— cabot, is scheduled to arrive later this evening. and several other— later this evening. and several other canadian— later this evening. and several other canadian coastguard eeeeeh— other canadian coastguard vessels and— other canadian coastguard vessels and the coastguard carter— vessels and the coastguard cutter sycamore are in route . cutter sycamore are in route. haahchahh— cutter sycamore are in route. additionally, the— cutter sycamore are in route. additionally, the us coastguard has additionally, the us coastguard hae che— additionally, the us coastguard hae the us— additionally, the us coastguard has the us navy's sub sail eaperhecr— has the us navy's sub sail supervisor of— has the us navy's sub sail supervisor of salvage and diving ccrhrhaha— supervisor of salvage and diving ccrhrhaha re— supervisor of salvage and diving command is working with us transportation— command is working with us transportation command to bring aaahchah— transportation command to bring additional assets— transportation command to bring additional assets to the search rheee— additional assets to the search area. these more— additional assets to the search area. these more capable assets wru— area. these more capable assets with he— area. these more capable assets with he ecapea— area. these more capable assets will be staged at— area. these more capable assets will be staged at a— area. these more capable assets will be staged at a saint john's for will be staged at a saint john's cr recher— will be staged at a saint john's for further transport to the ach— for further transport to the search area.— for further transport to the search area. there are also ereah— search area. there are also several private _ search area. there are also several private vessel research eeeeeh— several private vessel research eeeeeh whh— several private vessel research vessels with rov— several private vessel research vessels with rov capabilities char— vessels with rov capabilities that are— vessels with rov capabilities that are making— vessels with rov capabilities that are making preparations to join that are making preparations to join che— that are making preparations to join the efforts— that are making preparations to join the efforts ._ that are making preparations to join the efforts . so i want to join the efforts. so i want to reiterate— join the efforts. so i want to reiterate ,— join the efforts. so i want to reiterate , this— join the efforts. so i want to reiterate , this is— join the efforts. so i want to reiterate , this is a very reiterate, this is a very ccrhprex— reiterate, this is a very complex search and the unified reach— complex search and the unified team he— complex search and the unified team is working— complex search and the unified team is working around the clock to team is working around the clock c hrhp— team is working around the clock c hrhp ah— team is working around the clock to bring all available assets aha—

to bring all available assets and expertise— to bring all available assets and expertise to— to bring all available assets and expertise to bear as quickly as and expertise to bear as quickly ae pceerhhe— and expertise to bear as quickly ae pceerhhe h— and expertise to bear as quickly as possible in an— and expertise to bear as quickly as possible in an effort to eche— as possible in an effort to eche thre— as possible in an effort to solve this very— as possible in an effort to solve this very complex problem. whac— solve this very complex problem. what wett— solve this very complex problem. what we'll continue to provide apaatee— what we'll continue to provide apaatee ae— what we'll continue to provide apaatee ae they— what we'll continue to provide updates as they become available and apath— updates as they become available and apath car— updates as they become available and again, our thoughts and prayere— and again, our thoughts and prayere are— and again, our thoughts and prayers are with— and again, our thoughts and prayers are with the crew and the— prayers are with the crew and the families— prayers are with the crew and the families and— prayers are with the crew and the families and their loved tre— the families and their loved ones. we will— the families and their loved ones. we will provide unwavering chart— ones. we will provide unwavering ehcrt ae— ones. we will provide unwavering ehcrt ae we— ones. we will provide unwavering effort as we continue the ach— effort as we continue the search. and— effort as we continue the search. and i— effort as we continue the search. and i think at this time wett— search. and i think at this time we-tt cpeh— search. and i think at this time we-tt cpeh h— search. and i think at this time we-tt cpeh rt ap— search. and i think at this time we'll open it up and take a few aaeettche. — we'll open it up and take a few questions. chief— we'll open it up and take a few questions. chief work surface tethered— questions. chief work surface tethered to— questions. chief work surface tethered to a— questions. chief work surface tethered to a ship and what did you ee— tethered to a ship and what did you — tethered to a ship and what did yea aha— tethered to a ship and what did you see.7 and then— tethered to a ship and what did you see.7 and then it- tethered to a ship and what did you see? c you see.7 and then it actually cover or pull something. so each of the rovs, so that's kind of a vague question, right.7 the rov had vague question, right? the rov had different— vague question, right? the rov had different capability.- g : q7 the rov had different capability. it's our understanding the current cov— our understanding the current cov that— our understanding the current cov that re— our understanding the current rov that is deployed at the site hae— rov that is deployed at the site now has some limited capability, has now has some limited capability, hae a— now has some limited capability, has a camera on— now has some limited capability, has a camera on board. but but apath— has a camera on board. but but apath each— has a camera on board. but but apath each at— has a camera on board. but but again, each of those is different. _ again, each of those is different. and we'll be patherhp— different. and we'll be gathering more information as that— gathering more information as that operation— gathering more information as that operation goes on through the tar.— that operation goes on through the dav- haw— that operation goes on through the day. how many hours of octet— the day. how many hours of oretea h— the day. how many hours of ofsted if your— the day. how many hours of ofsted if your submersibles can the— ofsted if your submersibles can the the— ofsted if your submersibles can find this sub,— ofsted if your submersibles can find this sub, is— ofsted if your submersibles can find this sub, is there any way to retrteve— find this sub, is there any way to retrieve it— find this sub, is there any way to retrieve it and— find this sub, is there any way to retrieve it and save the

pecpte— to retrieve it and save the pecpte ch— to retrieve it and save the people on board? yeah. so right att— people on board? yeah. so right at at— people on board? yeah. so right now all of our— people on board? yeah. so right now all of our efforts are tccaeeea — now all of our efforts are focussed on— now all of our efforts are focussed on finding the sub. what— focussed on finding the sub. what ._ focussed on finding the sub. what . rhu— focussed on finding the sub. what i will tell— focussed on finding the sub. what i will tell you is we have a acup— what i will tell you is we have a grow at— what i will tell you is we have a grow at car— what i will tell you is we have a group of our nation's best experte— a group of our nation's best experte h— a group of our nation's best experts in the— a group of our nation's best experts in the unified command . experts in the unified command. the— experts in the unified command. the h— experts in the unified command. the h we— experts in the unified command. the h we get— experts in the unified command. the h we pet to— experts in the unified command. and if we get to that point , and if we get to that point, thcee— and if we get to that point, those experts— and if we get to that point, those experts will be looking at what— those experts will be looking at what the— those experts will be looking at what the next— those experts will be looking at what the next course of action is what the next course of action he .— what the next course of action he . hat— what the next course of action he . hat oxygen— what the next course of action is . but oxygen left that you is. but oxygen left that you thaw— is. but oxygen left that you knew at— is. but oxygen left that you know of, that— is. but oxygen left that you know of, that you can estimate. so know of, that you can estimate. sc ch— know of, that you can estimate. so an the— know of, that you can estimate. so on the submersible- know of, that you can estimate. so on the submersible and- know of, that you can estimate. so on the submersible and is it doesit so on the submersible and is it does it have to be approved or regulated or so first of all, it's an estimate, right, because we know from the data we were using as a starting point was 96 hours. we know at this point we know at this point we're approximately about 40, 41 hcwe — we're approximately about 40, 41 hcwe wee— we're approximately about 40, 41 hours. yes correct. _ we're approximately about 40, 41 hours. yes correct. you have to be hours. yes correct. you have to he appcwea— hours. yes correct. you have to he appcwea cr— hours. yes correct. you have to be approved or regulated submersibles— be approved or regulated submersibles that go through ahwthhhp— submersibles that go through ahwthhhp that— submersibles that go through anything that you know of. “43?“ anything that you know of. yeah . th— anything that you know of. yeah . the hat— anything that you know of. yeah . the hat eure— anything that you know of. yeah , i'm not sure of— anything that you know of. yeah , i'm not sure of the— anything that you know of. yeah , i'm not sure of the exact- , i'm not sure of the exact technical piece of that. we know there's about there's— technical piece of that. we know there's about there's about- chit.” trait with; we know there's about there's about 40 heare— there's about there's about 40 hcare ct— there's about there's about 40 hours of breathable air left haeea— hours of breathable air left haeea ch— hours of breathable air left based on that— hours of breathable air left based on that initial report . based on that initial report. hpahh— based on that initial report. apahh that— based on that initial report. again, that was— based on that initial report. again, that was just the initial report— again, that was just the initial report haeea— again, that was just the initial report based on— again, that was just the initial

report based on 96 hours from when— report based on 96 hours from when the— report based on 96 hours from when the vessel— report based on 96 hours from when the vessel first even with that— when the vessel first even with that amount— when the vessel first even with that amount of— when the vessel first even with that amount of time that's left, hete— that amount of time that's left, here eaw— that amount of time that's left, here eaw rh— that amount of time that's left, let's say 41 hours— that amount of time that's left, let's say 41 hours or so, if you ta— let's say 41 hours or so, if you to tha— let's say 41 hours or so, if you were to find the— let's say 41 hours or so, if you were to find the submersible at the— were to find the submersible at the moment— were to find the submersible at this moment, would that give you enceph— this moment, would that give you enough the— this moment, would that give you enough the to— this moment, would that give you enough time to save these five pecphe— enough time to save these five pecpte ch— enough time to save these five people on board?— enough time to save these five people on board? _ enough time to save these five people on board? / enough time to save these five people on board? “43?“ so people on board? yeah. so i ech-t— people on board? yeah. so i ech-t thaw— people on board? yeah. so i don't know the— people on board? / so i don't know the answer to that aweethcc— don't know the answer to that question. what— don't know the answer to that question. what i— don't know the answer to that question. what i will tell you is question. what i will tell you he we— question. what i will tell you he we whhh— question. what i will tell you is we will do— question. what i will tell you is we will do everything in our power— is we will do everything in our power to— is we will do everything in our power to effect— is we will do everything in our power to effect a— is we will do everything in our power to effect a rescue again , power to effect a rescue again, it's power to effect a rescue again, he going— power to effect a rescue again, he cache to— power to effect a rescue again, it's going to depend on if the cow— it's going to depend on if the cow thee— it's going to depend on if the rov finds something . it's going rov finds something. it's going to repeat— rov finds something. it's going to depend ch— rov finds something. it's going to depend on what they find, what— to depend on what they find, what what— to depend on what they find, what what needs— to depend on what they find, what what needs to be, what etepe— what what needs to be, what etepe heed— what what needs to be, what etepe heed to— what what needs to be, what steps need to be— what what needs to be, what steps need to be taken next. and rearw— steps need to be taken next. and reahhw that— steps need to be taken next. and reahhw that he— steps need to be taken next. and really, that is for— steps need to be taken next. and really, that is for the experts whthhh— really, that is for the experts whthhh the— really, that is for the experts within the unified command to tate— within the unified command to take a— within the unified command to take a tech— within the unified command to take a look at.— within the unified command to take a look at. and then decide what— take a look at. and then decide what the— take a look at. and then decide what the best— take a look at. and then decide what the best course of action is. what the best course of action he. ch— what the best course of action he. ch wewe— what the best course of action he. ch wewe ht— what the best course of action is. gb news it seems to have taken— is. gb news it seems to have taken the— is. gb news it seems to have taken the mothership vessel and thee— taken the mothership vessel and thcee rwhhhhp— taken the mothership vessel and those running operations that ehpht— those running operations that ehpht heare— those running operations that eight hours to— those running operations that eight hours to contact you on swhaaw— eight hours to contact you on swhaaw arter— eight hours to contact you on sunday after they lost contact whth— sunday after they lost contact whth the— sunday after they lost contact whth the eah— sunday after they lost contact with the sub is— sunday after they lost contact with the sub is that of course, a concern right— with the sub is that of course, a concern right now ? our effort a concern right now? our effort aha— a concern right now? our effort and car— a concern right now? our effort

and recre— a concern right now? our effort and our focus is— a concern right now? our effort and our focus is on— a concern right now? our effort and our focus is on searching whth— and our focus is on searching whth what— and our focus is on searching whth what we— and our focus is on searching with what we know when as soon as we receive the— with what we know when as soon as we receive the report on sahaaw— as we receive the report on sunday evening,- as we receive the report on sunday evening, we immediately hawhch— sunday evening, we immediately launch search— sunday evening, we immediately launch search efforts. we flew aeeeet— launch search efforts. we flew aeeeet that— launch search efforts. we flew assets that evening and we've cchthhwea— assets that evening and we've continued constant surface and air continued constant surface and ahr aeeet— continued constant surface and air asset searches— continued constant surface and air asset searches since that pchht— air asset searches since that pchht ahead— air asset searches since that pchht aheaa . — air asset searches since that point ahead . /r:::r. point ahead. thank you. you mentioned that the search operation is very complicated . operation is very complicated. what are the biggest challenges for begum?— what are the biggest challenges for begum? well— what are the biggest challenges for begum? well it's a this is a ccrhphex— for begum? well it's a this is a complex search— for begum? well it's a this is a complex search and it's complex for a— complex search and it's complex for a warhetw— complex search and it's complex for a warhetw ct— complex search and it's complex for a variety of reasons . �*vw�*rz; ”hi: for a variety of reasons. we're wea— for a variety of reasons. we're wca thaw. — for a variety of reasons. we're you know, you're talking about a search area that's 900 miles east of cape cod , 400 miles east of cape cod, 400 miles south of saint john's. so logistically speaking, it's hard to bring assets to bear. it takes time. it takes coordination . and then we're coordination. and then we're deaung coordination. and then we're dealing with, you know, two pieces of you're dealing with a surface search and a sub surface search. and frankly, that makes it an incredibly complex operation. scampton will the new— operation. scampton will the waww whhh— operation. scampton will the navyr whhh the— operation. scampton will the navy, will the us— rzzr" scampton will the navy, will the us navy or ch" scampton will the navy, will the us navy or the cahathah— navy, will the us navy or the canadian navy— navy, will the us navy or the canadian navy able get canadian navy be able to get eahwape— canadian navy be able to get salvage equipment on time before

the ar— salvage equipment on time before the ahr re— salvage equipment on time before the air runs out? _ salvage equipment on time before the air runs out? obviously, getting salvage equipment on scene is a top priority. unified command is working through that to prioritise what equipment we can get there. there are ongoing operations right now via the us navy and trans comm to get to get equipment staged in saint john's and to get it on scene. i can't give you an exact timeline of when that's going to happen, but what i can tell you is there is a full press, full court press to get equipment on press effort to get equipment on scene as quickly as we can. is that equipment scene as quickly as we can. is. that equipment-equipment that equipment is that equipment ahreacw— that equipment is that equipment ahreaaw ch— that equipment is that equipment ahreaaw ah the— that equipment is that equipment already on the east coast, though— already on the east coast, thcwph cr— already on the east coast, thcwph or he— already on the east coast, though, or is it— already on the east coast, though, or is it coming from the pache— though, or is it coming from the heath—wa- though, or is it coming from the hachthc—wc - though, or is it coming from the. pacific,_no isome pacific, for example? no so some of pacific, for example? no so some ct-eaahpmeht— pacific, for example? no so some of equipment coming of the equipment that's coming is the east coast. is coming from the east coast. but again, we're talking about very heavy equipment. it's a complicated operation complicated transport operation , but the best professionals in the world are it. and the world are working it. and that's transcom , what kind of that's us transcom, what kind of equipment is it? equipment? can you 90— equipment is it? equipment? can war 90 to— equipment is it? equipment? can war 90 to mac— equipment is it? equipment? can you go to more detail— equipment is it? equipment? can you go to more detail if- tr.r: 7 equipment? can you go to more detail if you have— you go to more detail if you have a— you go to more detail if you have a curve— you go to more detail if you have a curve 21,— you go to more detail if you have a curve 21, that's that's hehhp— have a curve 21, that's that's hehhp ehhppea— have a curve 21, that's that's being shipped up to that hccathch— being shipped up to that hccathch . — being shipped up to that location . and- being shipped up to that location . ' r: trt; being shipped up to that location . ' r: rtrt. being shipped up to that- location . and since you don't location. and since you don't have it, we can tell your vessel that the apache, the commission, what assets you have. do

what other assets you have. do you have civilian ships. yeah so like i said, there some so like i said, there are some there— so like i said, there are some there-several— so like i said, there are some there several civilian ships there are several civilian ships that— there are several civilian ships that-offered— there are several civilian ships that offered services that have offered services heathe— heading that way. there are aaahthchat— heading that way. there are. additional—cutters. additional coastguard cutters. we additional coastguard cutters. we-hawe— additional coastguard cutters. we-hawe a— additional coastguard cutters. we have a canadian we hope to have a canadian ccaetpwara— we hope to have a canadian coastguard cutter scene this coastguard cutter on scene this ewehhhp. —thewi coastguard cutter on scene thisi ewerhp—thew haw coastguard cutter on scene thisi evtable._they may coastguard cutter on scene thisi evtable to _they may coastguard cutter on scene this evtable to assume they may coastguard cutter on scene this evtable to assume on they may coastguard cutter on scene this evtable to assume on scene.nay be able to assume on scene. ccrhrhahaer— be able to assume on scene. commander polar- be able to assume on scene. commander polar prince has been ache— commander polar prince has been ache a— commander polar prince has been achhp a great— commander polar prince has been achhp a great rah— commander polar prince has been doing a great job with those hathee—cah- doing a great job with those duties—can takei doing a great job with those- duties_can take some duties. but if we can take some of duties. but if we can take some op_aem,_ duties. but if we can take some of-them,-wouldl duties. but if we can take some. of-them,-would be of that from them, that would be acct. — of that from them, that would be acct. -aaeethch- of that from them, that would be good. question about good. but your question about epechthc— good. but your question about specific equipment, i'm not going— specific equipment, i'm not goinglget_ specific equipment, i'm not going get talking about going to get into talking about epechthc— going to get into talking abouti epechthc—h-rh specific equipment. frankly, i'm not specific equipment. frankly, i'm hat—what— specific equipment. frankly, i'm not—what that- not an expert on what that eawhprheht— not an expert on what that equipment-but- not an expert on what that equipment but again, i can equipment is. but again, i can teth— equipment is. but again, i can tehh-hawe— equipment is. but again, i can tell-have experts- equipment is. but again, i can tell have experts in the tell you we have experts in the rather— tell you we have experts in the unified command— tell you we have experts in the unified command are going unified command that are going through— unified command that are going through prioritising unified command that are going thrtneed prioritising unified command that are going thrtneed then tising unified command that are going thrtneed then how; get it we need and then how we get it on scene. can you— we need and then how we get it on scene. can you tell us about the— on scene. can you tell us about the perechheh— on scene. can you tell us about the personnel from _ on scene. can you tell us about the personnel from boston? how many— the personnel from boston? how many pecpte— the personnel from boston? how many pecphe tram — the personnel from boston? how many people from here are out there also equipment there and also what equipment from specifically? so from boston specifically? so boston plays a role boston where boston plays a role is boston where boston plays a role hecehc—t— boston where boston plays a role hecehc—t the- is the command centre, the reece— is the command centre, the ceece aha— is the command centre, the rescue and coordination centre is rescue and coordination centre he here— rescue and coordination centre he here he— rescue and coordination centre is here in boston— rescue and coordination centre is here in boston on the ahrcratt— is here in boston on the aircraft that— is here in boston on the aircraft that are coming in, are ccrhhhp— aircraft that are coming in, are ccrhhhp trcrh — aircraft that are coming in, are coming from different locations . hat— coming from different locations . hat hat— coming from different locations . hat hat the— coming from different locations . but but the command structure is . but but the command structure he hehhp— . but but the command structure is being worked— . but but the command structure is being worked out of at of teeth— is being worked out of at of teeth aha— is being worked out of at of boston and i— is being worked out of at of boston and i think we have time for boston and i think we have time her two— boston and i think we have time her two chec— boston and i think we have time for two more questions . for two more questions. hwperherce— for two more questions. experience. just- for two more questions. experience. just how- for two more questions. experience. just how unique is this a coastguard had to

this as a coastguard ever had to deal anything like this? deal with anything like this? well, i don't want to speak about— well, i don't want to speak about ht— well, i don't want to speak about if the— well, i don't want to speak about if the coastguard is ever i about if the coastguard is ever h weath— about if the coastguard is ever h wewe-wew— about if the coastguard is ever i would -you it's- about if the coastguard is ever i would -you it's a- about if the coastguard is ever i would you it's a unique i would tell you it's a unique cperathch. — i would tell you it's a unique operation. it's— i would tell you it's a unique operation. it's a— i would tell you it's a unique operation. . d g operation. it's a challenging operation. but but right now, we're focussed on on putting everything and everything we can at it. and searching as hard as we can and getting the assets out there as quickly as we can. other assets that are rushing to the area. what sort of assets can they have?— what sort of assets can they have? thew— what sort of assets can they have? they have— what sort of assets can they have? they have a aurora hcreahhe— have? they have a aurora borealis sps_ have? they have a aurora borealis sps sunak technology that. — borealis sps sunak technology that. yeah.— borealis sps sunak technology that. yeah. so— borealis sps sunak technology that. yeah. so there- borealis sps sunak technology that. “cir?" ”hilt; 511i; borealis sps sunak technology that. “413?" ”hilt; ”ret; that. yeah. so there are some additional assets with rovs . additional assets with rovs. there is one asset that that is working to get on scene with a decompression chamber. so those are all pieces that are coming together and we're working those logistical challenges to get them get them there . and i think them get them there. and i think we'll take one more rescue. realistic prospect. what would that heat— realistic prospect. what would that look like _ realistic prospect. what would that look like 7 _ realistic prospect. what would that look like 7 well,- realistic prospect. what would that look like 7 well, i- realistic prospect. what would that look like ? well, i can't that look like? well, i can't tell you exactly what it would look like. i would tell you that, you know, we are out there, we're searching. we wouldn't be doing this. we wouldn't be doing this. we wouldn't be doing this. we wouldn't be searching and putting all effort out there . i

putting all effort out there. i think that, you know , if the sub think that, you know, if the sub is located and that's a question, then the experts need to look at what is the best course of action for recovering the sub. but i think it's going to depend on that particular situation. and if we encounter that, sir, is it true that the british offered assistance and they were told we don't need your assistance at this point? no, i'm not aware of that . no, i'm not aware of that. again, what i would tell you, though, is that the unified command is working through working through prioritising. and we know that there's equipment that can be equipment out there that can be brought to the scene . the brought to the scene. the unified command is working through prioritising what equipment we need and then how we it there. so you're also we get it there. so you're also responding on the ship as well? yes, it's my understanding. correct. i think we're going correct. and i think we're going to wrap it there. yeah. thank you. thank you. thank you. apprechate— you. thank you. thank you. apprechate wew— thank you. thank you. appreciate you guys coming out today.— appreciate you guys coming out tctaw—hhat- appreciate you guys coming out today._that.the. today. thank you. that is the wew— today. thank you. that is the very-twe— today. thank you. that is the very-live from - today. thank you. that is the very live from boston very latest live from boston there. — very latest live from boston there. the— very latest live from boston there. the us— very latest live from boston there. gs: there. the us coastguard updating us on this absolutely monumental rescue operation. huge farage. they were just

updating us with the very latest, 7600mi2 as they have been searching . young paul been searching. young paul hawkins, national reporter for joins me now. i mean, you've been following this story now intensely, haven't you? i have to say, i feel quite sad, actually. i was hoping i had everything crossed that this press conference was going to have some good news is really it doesn't really seem that we're that much further forward. are we know i mean, there is . there we know i mean, there is. there is. let's just look at— we know i mean, there is. there is. let's just look at the- there is. let's just look at the words that— is. let's just look at the words that captahh— is. let's just look at the words that captain jamie frederick aeee— that captain jamie frederick aeee .— that captain jamie frederick used . complex,— that captain jamie frederick used . complex, challenging , used. complex, challenging, aware.— used. complex, challenging, ahhawe. aha— used. complex, challenging, unique. and that's why when they aethha— unique. and that's why when they were asking him,— unique. and that's why when they were asking him, he was being aehea— were asking him, he was being aetech hw— were asking him, he was being asked by reporters questions about— asked by reporters questions about the— asked by reporters questions about the equipment. he said, wett— about the equipment. he said, wehh. h— about the equipment. he said, wehh. h ech-t— about the equipment. he said, well, i don't know— about the equipment. he said, well, i don't know anything about— well, i don't know anything about the— well, i don't know anything about the equipment, be about the equipment, to be hcceet— about the equipment, to be hcheet. aha— about the equipment, to be honest. and for— about the equipment, to be honest. and for a lot of the pecphe— honest. and for a lot of the pecpte wha— honest. and for a lot of the people who work in the coast chara— people who work in the coast chart—the- people who work in the coast. guard _the search people who work in the coast guairescue the search people who work in the coast guairescue industry, the search people who work in the coast guairescue industry, this search people who work in the coast guairescue industry, this is arch people who work in the coast guairescue industry, this is ach and rescue industry, this is a catty— and rescue industry, this is a catty whhawe— and rescue industry, this is a really unique situation because when— really unique situation because when we— really unique situation because when we tatt— really unique situation because when we talk about submerged vessels, before _ when we talk about submerged vessels, before we've been tahthhp— vessels, before we've been talking about— vessels, before we've been talking about submarines, this is talking about submarines, this he hat— talking about submarines, this he hat a— talking about submarines, this is not a submarine. we were ahecaeehhp— is not a submarine. we were thecweehhe h— is not a submarine. we were discussing in the— is not a submarine. we were discussing in the office what's the difference— discussing in the office what's the difference between a

submersible— the difference between a submersible with submersible and a submarine with ewhmerehhhe— submersible and a submarine with submersible, halligan submersible, as liam halligan pate—cat.- submersible, as liam halligan pate—cat. hel quite rightly pointed out, is that— quite rightly pointed out, is that-chewe— quite rightly pointed out, is that move under quite rightly pointed out, is that-move under own that it can't move under its own pwer— that it can't move under its own power-ta— that it can't move under its own power-ta he— that it can't move under its own power. to be brought to power. it has to be brought to an-by_ power. it has to be brought to art-by by— power. it has to be brought to ah-hw by a— power. it has to be brought to an-by by a main- power. it has to be brought to an by by a main ship. 'r: an area by by a main ship. and so to— an area by by a main ship. and so to he— an area by by a main ship. and so to ht— an area by by a main ship. and so to me, it looks— an area by by a main ship. and so to me, it looks like- an area by by a main ship. and so to me, it looks like i'm sure it's far more technical, but to me it looks too not far off a tin can. it's 22 foot long, 9.2ft tall. you've got basically no seating. you're going to be barefoot , kind of squished no seating. you're going to be barefoot, kind of squished in there. you've got one circular kind of window at the end and it's controlled , told by what is it's controlled, told by what is not too far off a games controller. it is a games controller. _ controller. it is a games controller. it— t it is a games controller. it literally is a trance— controller. it literally is a games controller. and then war-we— games controller. and then war-we pct— games controller. and then you've got this— games controller. and then you've got this very, very thick . i you've got this very, very thick . h rheah— you've got this very, very thick . i mean, as a piece of eppheerhp- . i mean, as a piece of engineering, we were talking about— engineering, we were talking about exploring— engineering, we were talking about exploring the deep, deep, cheep— about exploring the deep, deep, deep cceah— about exploring the deep, deep, deep ocean. and— about exploring the deep, deep, deep ocean. and is not deep ocean. and there is not a etahaara— deep ocean. and there is not a etahtara epec— deep ocean. and there is not a standard spec for— deep ocean. and there is not a standard spec for vessels that do standard spec for vessels that he that. — standard spec for vessels that he that. sc— standard spec for vessels that do that. so this— standard spec for vessels that do that. so this is— standard spec for vessels that do that. so this is like a piece of do that. so this is like a piece at ehphheerhhp— do that. so this is like a piece of engineering where they've tha— of engineering where they've the at— of engineering where they've kind of made— of engineering where they've kind of made it— of engineering where they've kind of made it up as they've eche— kind of made it up as they've gene the— kind of made it up as they've gone this will— kind of made it up as they've gone this will work there, that-ht— gone this will work there, that'll work. _ gone this will work there, that'll work. and as the ceo who is that'll work. and as the ceo who he ch— that'll work. and as the ceo who he are heard— that'll work. and as the ceo who is on board the— that'll work. and as the ceo who is on board the ceo— that'll work. and as the ceo who is on board the ceo of oceangate that—compact.- is on board the ceo of oceangate that—company, has- that owned the company, has demonstrated— that owned the company, has demonstrated various videos demonstrated in various videos it demonstrated in various videos ht—a— demonstrated in various videos ht—a earhee- demonstrated in various videos it a games console it literally is a games console cchtrchher— it literally is a games console

controller that _ it literally is a games console controller that piloting the controller that is piloting the ehhp— controller that is piloting the ehhp-eaw— controller that is piloting the ehhp-eaw ha- controller that is piloting the ship. say, no seats about ship. as you say, no seats about the ehe— ship. as you say, no seats about the ct— ship. as you say, no seats about the size ofltransit_ ship. as you say, no seats about the size of transit van, very the size of a transit van, very thhch— the size of a transit van, very thick, reinforced.— the size of a transit van, very thick, reinforced. there's a tchhet— thick, reinforced. there's a tchhet ch— thick, reinforced. there's a toilet on board.- thick, reinforced. there's a toilet on board. there is heathe— toilet on board. there is heating. the— toilet on board. there is heating. the walls are heated. vea— heating. the walls are heated. we eat— heating. the walls are heated. you said toilet.— heating. the walls are heated. you said toilet. there's- heating. the walls are heated. you said toilet. there's a- heating. the walls are heated. you said toilet. there's a box with a curtain. well, it's true, but when you're at 2.3 miles down deep in the deep ocean, you'll take what you can. probably. but. but for now, the ehtwathch— probably. but. but for now, the situation-that— probably. but. but for now, the situation-that we— probably. but. but for now, the situation that we simply situation is that we simply aah-t— situation is that we simply acct-what- situation is that we simply don't what state situation is that we simply. don't-what-state of don't know what the state of the eeeh— don't know what the state of the weeeetlhh. — don't know what the state of the weeeetlhh. h— don't know what the state of the vessel-in. if-lost- don't know what the state of the vessel in. if lost heat vessel is in. if it's lost heat at thcee— vessel is in. if it's lost heat at those depths,— vessel is in. if it's lost heat at those depths, then the cold he — at those depths, then the cold he ratat— at those depths, then the cold can be fatal at— at those depths, then the cold can be fatal at that at that depth.— can be fatal at that at that depth. hat— can be fatal at that at that depth. but yeah, what we heard trach— depth. but yeah, what we heard from there.— depth. but yeah, what we heard from there, as— depth. but yeah, what we heard from there, as you— depth. but yeah, what we heard from there, as you say, an area the— from there, as you say, an area the ehe— from there, as you say, an area the ct— from there, as you say, an area the size of connecticut, that's what— the size of connecticut, that's what thew-re— the size of connecticut, that's what they're searching. and he take— what they're searching. and he tatte ahcwt— what they're searching. and he talks about the _ what they're searching. and he talks about the vessel that thew-we — talks about the vessel that thew-we _deepl talks about the vessel that- they've _ deep energy. they've brought in, deep energy. that-e— they've brought in, deep energy. hhat-e pct— they've brought in, deep energy. hhat-e get two— they've brought in, deep energy. that's got two rovs with them to two wehhchee— that's got two rovs with them to two vehicles that— that's got two rovs with them to two vehicles that can drop down what— two vehicles that can drop down what h— two vehicles that can drop down what h thought— two vehicles that can drop down what i thought was very interesting— what i thought was very interesting was that he said thew— interesting was that he said they had— interesting was that he said they had limited capability, whhch— they had limited capability, whhchlthat— they had limited capability, which that they can only go which is that they can only go to which is that they can only go po-p.a_ which is that they can only go tc-hc rhhhee— which is that they can only go to-1.8 miles deep.- to about 1.8 miles deep. the wreckage— to about 1.8 miles deep. the wreckage-at— to about 1.8 miles deep. the wreckage-at 2.3- to about 1.8 miles deep. the wreckage at 2.3 miles deep. wreckage is at 2.3 miles deep. so wreckage is at 2.3 miles deep. sc thcee— wreckage is at 2.3 miles deep. so those rovs— wreckage is at 2.3 miles deep. so those rovs that they have at the moment— so those rovs that they have at the moment can— so those rovs that they have at the moment can only look down. t hey— the moment can only look down. they cant— the moment can only look down. they cant get— the moment can only look down. they cant pet to— the moment can only look down. they can't get to the bottom where— they can't get to the bottom where the — they can't get to the bottom where the wreckage is. and so in

terme— where the wreckage is. and so in terrhe ct— where the wreckage is. and so in terrhe ct petthhe— where the wreckage is. and so in terms of getting better eawhprheht— terms of getting better equipment to the scene, that whh— equipment to the scene, that whhh he— equipment to the scene, that whhh he a— equipment to the scene, that will be a priority. est g will be a priority. fascinating stuff. thank you very much there. paul hawkins. now joining me line is stuart allen me down the line is stuart allen from shipwreck exploratory from shipwreck scuba exploratory diving . good evening to diving group. good evening to you, sir. stuart. i mean, we were just talking we were just talking there about depths, really. try and give really. can you try and give some context it comes to some context when it comes to just the kind of level of depth that we are talking? because it's incredibly difficult to find of quite find any kind of vessel, quite frankly that be able to frankly, that will be able to get to the base, the base of get to the base, to the base of this ocean floor to even try and find these people, if that's where they are . yes, certainly . where they are. yes, certainly. am.— where they are. yes, certainly. uh. h— where they are. yes, certainly. uh. h rheah— where they are. yes, certainly. uh. h ta— where they are. yes, certainly. um, i mean, to put— where they are. yes, certainly. um, i mean, to put it- ”hit; tret; yes, certainly. um, i mean, to put it this way trt; etrt; yes, certainly. um, i mean, to put it this way, the— um, i mean, to put it this way, the deeper— um, i mean, to put it this way, the deepest scuba— um, i mean, to put it this way, the deepest scuba dive . on the deepest scuba dive. on cccra— the deepest scuba dive. on cccra he— the deepest scuba dive. on record is about— the deepest scuba dive. on record is about 340m is there's cheep— record is about 340m is there's cheep rhe— record is about 340m is there's aeep rig ahwhhp— record is about 340m is there's deep rig diving with, with pecphe— deep rig diving with, with people obviously in suits, which aeee— people obviously in suits, which aeee a— people obviously in suits, which aeee a th— people obviously in suits, which goes a bit deeper— people obviously in suits, which goes a bit deeper than that. am.— goes a bit deeper than that. uh. the— goes a bit deeper than that. um, the operational- goes a bit deeper than that. um, the operational depth of most submarines is about 1000m, as in navy submarines and you're talking four times the depth of

that. talking four times the depth of that . um, so talking four times the depth of that. um, so in essence it's about the equivalent of walking on the moon in terms of how difficult and complex it is to get there. and so it's, it's a very, very remote place . and as very, very remote place. and as i mean, you very, very remote place. and as h wcw thaw.— very, very remote place. and as i mean, you know, this- artg arty and as i mean, you know, this will be wear— i mean, you know, this will be wear the— i mean, you know, this will be wcwr the at— i mean, you know, this will be your kind of forte. _ i mean, you know, this will be your kind of forte. have we ever, ever had— your kind of forte. have we ever, ever had anything even chcee— ever, ever had anything even chcee ta— ever, ever had anything even close to this— ever, ever had anything even close to this kind of situation he. — close to this kind of situation he. wat— close to this kind of situation he. wet to— close to this kind of situation he. wet to raw— close to this kind of situation- in. not to my knowledge, no . um, in. not to my knowledge, no. um, isuppose in. not to my knowledge, no. um, i suppose in a similar kind of vein was the, if you remember, the russian submarine kursk. um, but that, of course, was, was a navy submarine and it wasn't anywhere near as deep as this. um and there were rescue attempts on that. but that's the only thing that, that really comes to mind. and of course, um, as has already been pointed out, this is a submersible , not out, this is a submersible, not a so it's more a submarine. so it's more vulnerable . well, yeah, indeed. vulnerable. well, yeah, indeed. the— vulnerable. well, yeah, indeed. the h— vulnerable. well, yeah, indeed. hha h rheah— vulnerable. well, yeah, indeed. the h wew— vulnerable. well, yeah, indeed. and i mean, you know,- well, yeah, indeed. and i mean, you know, at the end of and i mean, you know, at the end at the— and i mean, you know, at the end at the raw.— and i mean, you know, at the end of the day, exploring wrecks and all of the day, exploring wrecks and at the— of the day, exploring wrecks and at the her— of the day, exploring wrecks and all the rest of— of the day, exploring wrecks and all the rest of it,— of the day, exploring wrecks and

all the rest of it, it— of the day, exploring wrecks and all the rest of it, it is fascinating.- all the rest of it, it is fascinating. i- all the rest of it, it is fascinating. i mean, many years age— fascinating. i mean, many years age h— fascinating. i mean, many years aec h the— fascinating. i mean, many years age h the hatch— fascinating. i mean, many years ago i did paddy advance as well. the— ago i did paddy advance as well. the ht— ago i did paddy advance as well. the ht he— ago i did paddy advance as well. and it is.experience- ago i did paddy advance as well. and it is experience that's and it is an experience that's the— and it is an experience that's the he— and it is an experience that's the he to— and it is an experience that's like it's to me— and it is an experience that's like it's to me anyway, it was each— like it's to me anyway, it was such l peaceful, _ like it's to me anyway, it was such peaceful, exciting such a peaceful, exciting aahehce — such a peaceful, exciting audience. and - such a peaceful, exciting audience. and as technology ewcweeh— audience. and as technology evolves , as we— audience. and as technology evolves , as we are going to see evolves, as we are going to see aha— evolves, as we are going to see more and more of— evolves, as we are going to see more and more of boundary paehhp— more and more of boundary pwehhhp. acre-t— more and more of boundary pushing, aren't we, of organisations and people trying to 90— organisations and people trying to 90 that— organisations and people trying to go that little— organisations and people trying to go that little bit further that— to go that little bit further that little _ to go that little bit further that little bit— to go that little bit further that little bit deeper? is it pceehhhet— that little bit deeper? is it possible? well, do you think, to be possible? well, do you think, to he athe— possible? well, do you think, to he ahte ta— possible? well, do you think, to he ahte to he— possible? well, do you think, to be able to do anything like this rehathwetw— be able to do anything like this relatively risk— be able to do anything like this relatively risk free? i think i thhht— relatively risk free? i think i think the odds are. i think the safety levels are getting better and better. um, there's always challenge out there and of course there's always the attraction of trying to go to places that nobody else has ever been to or very, very few people have been to. and when you couple that with obviously the attraction of the titanic and all of its history, um , yeah all of its history, um, yeah it's a lure, that's for sure for people of you know of all walks of life to try and get there. um, whether or not it will ever be completely safe, i doubt

because as the deep sea is a hostile place, there's no question about that . yeah, question about that. yeah, certainly fascinating- : yeah, certainly fascinating stuff for hhahh— certainly fascinating stuff for now. thank you— certainly fascinating stuff for now. thank you very much for wear— now. thank you very much for wear the— now. thank you very much for wear the aha— now. thank you very much for your time and your insight. that-e— your time and your insight. that's stuart— your time and your insight. that's stuart allen there from shhpwrech— that's stuart allen there from shipwreck scuba _ that's stuart allen there from shipwreck scuba exploratory diving— shipwreck scuba exploratory phwhhp ccap.— shipwreck scuba exploratory diving group. goodness gracious sc— diving group. goodness gracious so wet— diving group. goodness gracious so we a— diving group. goodness gracious me. so just a recap— diving group. goodness gracious me. so just a recap up. there hae— me. so just a recap up. there hae thet— me. so just a recap up. there hae twet heeh— me. so just a recap up. there has just been a— me. so just a recap up. there has just been a press conference ahcwt— has just been a press conference apart the— has just been a press conference about this lost— has just been a press conference about this lost vessel. still no reat— about this lost vessel. still no reah pcpreee— about this lost vessel. still no real progress in— about this lost vessel. still no real progress in terms of thhhhhp— real progress in terms of finding where- real progress in terms of finding where these people are . finding where these people are. the— finding where these people are. the pecphe— finding where these people are. five people missing and three of them— five people missing and three of them hrhtheh— five people missing and three of them british citizens. i'm with you— them british citizens. i'm with war rhpht— them british citizens. i'm with you right through till 7:00. wett— you right through till 7:00. we-hh he— you right through till 7:00. we'll be staying across this etch.— we'll be staying across this etcrw that— we'll be staying across this etch. that he— we'll be staying across this story, that is for— we'll be staying across this story, that is for sure, keeping me— story, that is for sure, keeping me ccrhpahw— story, that is for sure, keeping me company till— story, that is for sure, keeping me company till seven is the ceo of me company till seven is the ceo at thet— me company till seven is the ceo at thret rcpertw— me company till seven is the ceo of first property group and farmer— of first property group and former brexit_ of first property group and former brexit party mep ben hath.— former brexit party mep ben hahhh. arch— former brexit party mep ben habib, and political commentator haehra— habib, and political commentator bushra sheikh._ habib, and political commentator bushra sheikh. good evening to hath— bushra sheikh. good evening to path at— bushra sheikh. good evening to path of wow— bushra sheikh. good evening to path of wow .— bushra sheikh. good evening to both of you . i've— bushra sheikh. good evening to both of you . i've got to say both of you. i've got to say twe— both of you. i've got to say he been— both of you. i've got to say i've been glued,- both of you. i've got to say i've been glued, ben, to this etch— i've been glued, ben, to this etcrw .— i've been glued, ben, to this etcrw . h— i've been glued, ben, to this etcrw . h the— i've been glued, ben, to this story . i find it— i've been glued, ben, to this story . i find it absolutely story. i find it absolutely fascinating.— story. i find it absolutely fascinating. i've got quite an hhtrhpwe— fascinating. i've got quite an intrigue anyway,— fascinating. i've got quite an intrigue anyway, when it comes to ehhpwrecte— intrigue anyway, when it comes to ehhpwreche .— intrigue anyway, when it comes to shipwrecks . i— intrigue anyway, when it comes to shipwrecks . i did a little to shipwrecks. i did a little bit to shipwrecks. i did a little hht ct— to shipwrecks. i did a little

bit of diving— to shipwrecks. i did a little bit of diving like you know, teet— bit of diving like you know, tuet ratche— bit of diving like you know, just talking then about the chepthe— just talking then about the chepthe ct— just talking then about the depths of this— just talking then about the depths of this thing. i mean, the— depths of this thing. i mean, the hhtahhc— depths of this thing. i mean, the titanic is— depths of this thing. i mean, the titanic is 3800m below face— the titanic is 3800m below tace . h— the titanic is 3800m below surface . i mean,- the titanic is 3800m below surface . i mean, i was diving at surface. i mean, i was diving at ech— surface. i mean, i was diving at ech arch— surface. i mean, i was diving at hem and ec— surface. i mean, i was diving at hem and ec wae— surface. i mean, i was diving at 30m and so was i.— surface. i mean, i was diving at 30m and so was i. yeah, that phwee— 30m and so was i. yeah, that phwee wew— 30m and so was i. yeah, that phwee you twe— 30m and so was i. yeah, that gives you i've done a bit of a bit gives you i've done a bit of a hht ct— gives you i've done a bit of a bit of context— gives you i've done a bit of a bit of context there and i'm thet— bit of context there and i'm twet ec— bit of context there and i'm just so facile— bit of context there and i'm just so facile baited by that hatch— just so facile baited by that catch at— just so facile baited by that notion of boundary pushing, risk tacho— notion of boundary pushing, risk tathhe thhhp— notion of boundary pushing, risk taking thing. you— notion of boundary pushing, risk taking thing. you know, these pecphe— taking thing. you know, these pecpte .— taking thing. you know, these pecpte . rhahw— taking thing. you know, these pecpte . many at— taking thing. you know, these people , many of them on board people, many of them on board rearw— people, many of them on board reathw are— people, many of them on board really are intrepid— people, many of them on board really are intrepid explorers . really are intrepid explorers. they— really are intrepid explorers. they are— really are intrepid explorers. they are kind— really are intrepid explorers. they are kind of— really are intrepid explorers. they are kind of well versed at what— they are kind of well versed at what thew— they are kind of well versed at what they are— they are kind of well versed at what they are doing. but we just got what they are doing. but we just act ha— what they are doing. but we just act hc thea— what they are doing. but we just got no idea where— what they are doing. but we just got no idea where they are. no i got no idea where they are. no h hear— got no idea where they are. no h ht-e— got no idea where they are. no i mean, it's interesting,- got no idea where they are. no i mean, it's interesting, the- i mean, it's interesting, the titanic, i think, came to rest about 50 miles from where it sank. about 50 miles from where it sank . so just in itself, that's, sank. so just in itself, that's, you know, 50 times 50, 250mi2 at a bare minimum , you'd have to a bare minimum, you'd have to you'd have to investigate . and i you'd have to investigate. and i imagine this submersible is a lot lighter than the titanic was. so much more prone to being pushed around . you know, they're pushed around. you know, they're searching an area the size of connecticut. it's like looking for a needle in a haystack, isn't it? and they've got 40 hours basically in which to do it. is almost well, it is

it. it is almost well, it is almost a disaster. a movie unfolding in front of our eyes, you know, tragic. a tragic story of people who are prepared to push the boundaries. i suppose we'll get more of what happened and how it all happened after the event. yeah. and just to rcap— the event. yeah. and just to rcap the— the event. yeah. and just to recap, the five— yeah. and just to recap, the five people, i think we-we-heeh— recap, the five people, i think we've been showing some of we've just been showing some of thee— we've just been showing some of thcee phctwree— we've just been showing some of those pictures as— we've just been showing some of those pictures as well, so we thaw— those pictures as well, so we knew who— those pictures as well, so we knew whclhe— those pictures as well, so we know wholis that- those pictures as well, so we know who is that we are know who it is that we are hatche— know who it is that we are talking about.— know who it is that we are talking about. you've got hamish harhhe— talking about. you've got hamish harchhe. he— talking about. you've got hamish harchhe. he he— talking about. you've got hamish harhhhe. he he a— talking about. you've got hamish harding. he is a british businessman.- harding. he is a british businessman. shahzada dawood weat— businessman. shahzada dawood wccch aha— businessman. shahzada dawood we and he— businessman. shahzada dawood wood and his son— businessman. shahzada dawood wood and his son as well, swhahrhah— wood and his son as well, sulaiman dawood are on that eeer— sulaiman dawood are on that eeeh hawt— sulaiman dawood are on that vessel. paul, honorary negat hepathwetw— vessel. paul, honorary negat heeathwehw hr— vessel. paul, honorary negat negatively mr titanic. he was thawe— negatively mr titanic. he was known to— negatively mr titanic. he was known to he— negatively mr titanic. he was known to his friends. he's done the— known to his friends. he's done thhe trhp— known to his friends. he's done this trip several— known to his friends. he's done this trip several times before. wew— this trip several times before. very ah— this trip several times before. very an explorer— this trip several times before. very an explorer for his heart, so very an explorer for his heart, ec ht— very an explorer for his heart, ec ht — very an explorer for his heart, so it seems. and— very an explorer for his heart, so it seems. and also the ceo of oceangate— so it seems. and also the ceo of cceahpate .— so it seems. and also the ceo of oceahaate . the— so it seems. and also the ceo of oceangate , the company that put oceangate, the company that put on oceangate, the company that put ah the— oceangate, the company that put ch thhe trhp— oceangate, the company that put on this trip, stockton rush is his on this trip, stockton rush is hhe — on this trip, stockton rush is hhe sc— on this trip, stockton rush is his name. so that is the five pecphe— his name. so that is the five pecphe. ath— his name. so that is the five people. all that— his name. so that is the five people. all that you can see on war— people. all that you can see on your screen as we— people. all that you can see on your screen as we speak, as i've teet— your screen as we speak, as i've twet heeh— your screen as we speak, as i've just been mentioning to you, 22 heat— just been mentioning to you, 22 heat longr—

just been mentioning to you, 22 heat longr thhe— just been mentioning to you, 22 foot long, this vessel by nine tact— foot long, this vessel by nine tact taht. — foot long, this vessel by nine foot tall. there's— foot long, this vessel by nine foot tall. there's no seats. haw-c— foot tall. there's no seats. you're barefoot— foot tall. there's no seats. you're barefoot ,- foot tall. there's no seats. you're barefoot, you're squished in. you're barefoot, you're squished hh. there-e— you're barefoot, you're squished in. there's one— you're barefoot, you're squished in. there's one tiny— you're barefoot, you're squished in. there's one tiny. you're barefoot, you're squished in. there's one tiny . window, in. there's one tiny. window, 380,000,000l,_ in. there's one tiny. window, 380,000,000l, to _ in. there's one tiny. window, 380,000,000l, to be precise , and 380,000,000l, to be precise, and atchtet— 380,000,000l, to be precise, and atchtet ahec— 380,000,000l, to be precise, and a toilet also known— 380,000,000l, to be precise, and a toilet also known as a little hex— a toilet also known as a little hex whth— a toilet also known as a little hex whth a— a toilet also known as a little box with a curtain— a toilet also known as a little box with a curtain . you know, i box with a curtain. you know, i cant— box with a curtain. you know, i cant hrhaphhe— box with a curtain. you know, i can't imagine what these guys cheet— can't imagine what these guys rhwet he— can't imagine what these guys meet he ache— can't imagine what these guys must be going through , bushra. i must be going through, bushra. i h-m hapha— must be going through, bushra. i mean, i'm hoping that they are tha— mean, i'm hoping that they are that at— mean, i'm hoping that they are kind of experience— mean, i'm hoping that they are kind of experience explorers and etawhhp— kind of experience explorers and etawhhp cahm — kind of experience explorers and staying calm and— kind of experience explorers and staying calm and we've just been hatche— staying calm and we've just been that then— staying calm and we've just been talking then 40— staying calm and we've just been talking then 40 hours of oxygen left talking then 40 hours of oxygen tett amh. — talking then 40 hours of oxygen tett amh. wew— talking then 40 hours of oxygen left and, you know, i really hope— left and, you know, i really hope that— left and, you know, i really hope that they— left and, you know, i really hope that they stay calm. i'm rearw— hope that they stay calm. i'm reathw hapha— hope that they stay calm. i'm really hoping that they will be teach— really hoping that they will be tcwmh eate— really hoping that they will be found safe and— really hoping that they will be found safe and well. but we just chart— found safe and well. but we just chcht thew.— found safe and well. but we just chcht thaw. we.— found safe and well. but we just don't know. no, we— found safe and well. but we just don't know. no, we don't know. amh— don't know. no, we don't know. aha wew— don't know. no, we don't know. aha you thaw.— don't know. no, we don't know. and you know, one— don't know. no, we don't know. and you know, one thought that camelmw— and you know, one thought that camelmw-that- came to my mind is that chwhcwehw— came to my mind is that obviously going embarking came to my mind is that- obviously going-embarking on obviously going and embarking on ecmethhhp— obviously going and embarking on ecmethhha twe— obviously going and embarking on something like this, you know, you— something like this, you know, wow-have— something like this, you know, wow-have ta— something like this, you know, you-have to know- something like this, you know, you have to know already you would have to know already what— you would have to know already what-what— you would have to know already what what implication what the what the implication is or what the what the implication is cr—thhe- what the what the implication is cr—thhe l or what the risks of this are. so or what the risks of this are. so hcpetattw— or what the risks of this are. so hopefully, if— or what the risks of this are. so hopefully, if they- or what the risks of this are. so hopefully, if they sort- or what the risks of this are. so hopefully, if they sort of knew that that potentially could happen or this can happen to them or this can happen, maybe are prepared happen, maybe they are prepared for they are for that. so maybe they are staying and they staying calm and they are waiting. but the fact that we

know they have hours of know they have 40 more hours of search 40 hours, that to search or 40 hours, that that to me was a real shocker. me was a like a real shocker. yeah > i mean, started at 96, yeah > i mean, it started at 96, hat— yeah > i mean, it started at 96, hat-that— yeah > i mean, it started at 96, hwtlthat cehr— yeah > i mean, it started at 96, but-that keir starmer- / > i mean, it started at 96, but that keir starmer guard but as that keir starmer guard preee— but as that keir starmer guard press conference— but as that keir starmer guard press conference was just saying them— press conference was just saying them that— press conference was just saying them that he— press conference was just saying then, that is based— press conference was just saying then, that is based on the information— then, that is based on the information as— then, that is based on the information as it was. paul hawthhe— information as it was. paul hawkins-still- information as it was. paul hawkins still with me. hawkins you're still with me. that— hawkins you're still with me. that wae— hawkins you're still with me. that wchae-- that was based on the information— that was based on the- information -yeah. that was based on the- information-yeah. so information as it was, yeah. so we teet— information as it was, yeah. so we we chant— information as it was, yeah. so we just don't know if that is ethth— we just don't know if that is still accurate— we just don't know if that is still accurate or— we just don't know if that is still accurate or not. “413?" still accurate or not. yeah, he— still accurate or not. yeah, he .— still accurate or not. yeah, he. h— still accurate or not. yeah, he. h meam— still accurate or not. yeah, it's , i mean, the oxygen levels it's, i mean, the oxygen levels somewhere from the low 70s up to 96 hours. so there is a there's a window there. and also it depends how much oxygen they using because clearly three of the people down there, out of those five are experienced explorers . paul henry, nigel, explorers. paul henry, nigel, he's known as mr titanic, as you said, he first went down there in 1987. he's been down there many times. hamish harding has been to the excuse me to the bottom of the mariana trench for 36 hours. so they will be used to being in those conditions and they will be advising the father and son who are down there. shahzada dawood and his son sulaiman, try and not i mean,

sulaiman, to try and not i mean, it must be so difficult to be in such enclosed space and to such an enclosed space and to have to learn how to breathe and not panic, to and stretch not panic, to try and stretch out oxygen and not exhale out that oxygen and not exhale c02 out that oxygen and not exhale co2 while you're in that tight, confined space, it must be absolutely unbearable. the thought of it. t. t the thought of it. honestly, it aeee.— thought of it. honestly, it chcee. h-m— thought of it. honestly, it chcee. h-m a— thought of it. honestly, it does. i'm a little bit claustrophobic, i must confess, at the— claustrophobic, i must confess, at the thought— claustrophobic, i must confess, at the thought of— claustrophobic, i must confess, at the thought of it just sends ehachchere— at the thought of it just sends shudders. now— at the thought of it just sends shudders. now do at the thought of it just sends- shudders. now-do these shudders. now when you do these the— shudders. now when you do these that at— shudders. now when you do these that at the— shudders. now when you do these kind of trips and— shudders. now when you do these kind of trips and because kind of trips and tours, because there— kind of trips and tours, because there are— kind of trips and tours, because there a— kind of trips and tours, because there are a lot— kind of trips and tours, because there are a lot of— kind of trips and tours, because there are a lot of people actwahhw— there are a lot of people actually that— there are a lot of people actually that they are fascinated _ actually that they are fascinated by these kind of thew— fascinated by these kind of scenes. they do— fascinated by these kind of scenes. they do want to push thcee— scenes. they do want to push those boundaries— scenes. they do want to push those boundaries as we were hatche— those boundaries as we were talking about— those boundaries as we were talking about a— those boundaries as we were talking about a second ago. but actwahhw— talking about a second ago. but actually,-waivers_ talking about a second ago. but actually, waivers and things actually, the waivers and things like actually, the waivers and things the—ta- actually, the waivers and things the—ta ehehi like that that you have to sign to like that that you have to sign tc-chtc— like that that you have to sign tc-chtc che— like that that you have to sign to-onto one of— like that that you have to sign to onto one of these trips to get onto one of these trips aha— to get onto one of these trips aha-the— to get onto one of these trips aha-the-ct— to get onto one of these trips and-the-oflin- to get onto one of these trips and .the -of.in the l and all the rest of it in the thet— and all the rest of it in the thret phace— and all the rest of it in the first place, they're pretty hhtehee— first place, they're pretty hhtehee ae— first place, they're pretty intense as well, right? yeah. yeah. — intense as well, right? yeah. yeah. vea— intense as well, right? yeah. yeah. haw-cc— intense as well, right? yeah. yeah. you -to basically. intense as well, right? yeah. i yeah. you -to basically be yeah. you have to basically be kind effectively sign kind of, well, effectively sign your life away and say, i accept the, the, the extra risk that there be going four there will be from going four times than a navy times deeper than a navy submarine. why submarine. and so that's why they waivers . but and they sign these waivers. but and they sign these waivers. but and they charge premium prices for these is $250,000. these trips. this is $250,000. it's just over just under 200 grand. yeah. per person to go on

this eight day exhibition in takes about eight hours round trip to the bottom and back about two hours is the descent, which is why we think because they lost communication. about an hour and 45 minutes into the trip, think it should be trip, we think it should be somewhere wreck. that's somewhere near the wreck. that's where it should be the only alternative. most experts are saying, either near the saying, is it's either near the bottom it's floated the bottom or it's floated to the surface, simply haven't surface, and they simply haven't spotted yet. and given the area they're they've they're searching and they've got we've just been hearing anyway aircraft and anyway about aircraft and all the it out. this is a the rest of it out. this is a mutt—agency— the rest of it out. this is a multi—agency search.- trt;~;fr. e this is a multi—agency search. this is a huge— multi—agency search. this is a huge cperathch— multi—agency search. this is a huge operation now. you would huge operation now. so you would thhhh— huge operation now. so you would that h— huge operation now. so you would that h thew— huge operation now. so you would think if they were— huge operation now. so you would think if they were kind of hchhhha— think if they were kind of hchhhha ch— think if they were kind of bobbing on the surface, so to epeah— bobbing on the surface, so to epeah thhe— bobbing on the surface, so to speak, this vessel, then it weath— speak, this vessel, then it would-been- speak, this vessel, then it. would-been-up speak, this vessel, then it- would-been-up by would have been picked up by haw-vea— would have been picked up by now.-you know,- would have been picked up by now. you know, there's some now. yeah you know, there's some pecpte— now. yeah you know, there's some pecpte eawhp— now. yeah you know, there's some people sayingr benc— now. yeah you know, there's some people saying, ben, that actwahhw— people saying, ben, that actually this— people saying, ben, that actually this shouldn't be an hmhwetrw— actually this shouldn't be an hmhwetrw at— actually this shouldn't be an industry at all,— actually this shouldn't be an industry at all, this whole kind of chapter.— industry at all, this whole kind of danger, tourism, whatever you want— of danger, tourism, whatever you want-ht— of danger, tourism, whatever you want-ht .— of danger, tourism, whatever you want-ht . same— of danger, tourism, whatever you want it . some people are want to call it. some people are eawhhe— want to call it. some people are eawhhe ht-e— want to call it. some people are eawhhe ht-e thet— want to call it. some people are saying it's just not— want to call it. some people are saying it's just not safe enough to he— saying it's just not safe enough to he a— saying it's just not safe enough to he a that. — saying it's just not safe enough to be a thing. rattle t to be a thing. well, i mean, i think, you know, everyone has their own level of risk tolerance and we wouldn't push the exploration the boundaries of exploration and if we

and scientific discovery if we weren't prepared to take risks . weren't prepared to take risks. so i'm not sure i entirely agree with with that as a blanket sort of assessment, you know, whether you whether you go on it as a recreational trip, perhaps is a slightly different question with a different answer . you know, if a different answer. you know, if i were the father of that boy, i don't know how old the boy is. do we know how he's 19. don't know how old the boy is. do we know how he's19. he's19. i mean, you know, 19 is a father. he's still a child, you know, and you'll be looking at your son feeling pretty wretched about the situation. but what i mean , about the situation. but what i . you each— about the situation. but what i mean , you said as— about the situation. but what i mean , you said as well- ch" but what i mean , you said as well that mean, you said as well that wow-we— mean, you said as well that wcw-we-a— mean, you said as well that wcw-we-a ht- mean, you said as well that you've-a bit of- mean, you said as well that you've a bit of diving you've done a bit of diving thhhp— you've done a bit of diving that. h— you've done a bit of diving thing. i think— you've done a bit of diving thing. i think there is nowhere as thing. i think there is nowhere aeae- prcperhw- as peaceful as properly underneath— as peaceful as properly underneath the ocean. i find ht-e— underneath the ocean. i find ht-e each— underneath the ocean. i find ht-e each a— underneath the ocean. i find it's such a you— underneath the ocean. i find it's such a you disconnect noted tram— it's such a you disconnect noted from the— it's such a you disconnect noted from the troubles— it's such a you disconnect noted from the troubles of the world. i from the troubles of the world. h tha— from the troubles of the world. h thmh ht— from the troubles of the world. h thmh ht ec— from the troubles of the world. i find it so peaceful and so thherathha— i find it so peaceful and so liberating and— i find it so peaceful and so liberating and it is farage eecahemp— liberating and it is farage escapism, even at 30m. trt; escapism, even at 30m. i'm sure weath— escapism, even at 30m. i'm sure paw-ht recaht— escapism, even at 30m. i'm sure you'll recall 30m. you've got to be really careful when you come back up. you've got to stop. you've got to exhale. yeah, you've got to repressurize. you can get, you can get grtr you can get, you can get something when— can get, you can get something

when-yeah— can get, you can get something when-yeah that's- can get, you can get something when yeah that's it. when you. yeah that's it. depressurise_ when you. yeah that's it. depressurise properly- when you. yeah that's it. depressurise properly if you rise too quickly. yeah exactly. you get hydrogen bubbles t r: to “cir?" rtxctetr you get hydrogen bubbles or ecmethhhp— you get hydrogen bubbles or something forming in your blood aha.— something forming in your blood amh. weah. — something forming in your blood and. yeah. and— something forming in your blood and. yeah. and that's- something forming in your blood and. yeah. 'r: rrttyr and. yeah. and that's very serious. yeah, that's and. yeah. 'r: rrttyr yeah, that's very serious. yeah, that's very ht— serious. yeah, that's very serious. it can— yeah, that's very serious. it can kill you. 'r: serious. it can kill you. and hatche— serious. it can kill you. and we're talking about depths there of like what, 30m. yeah, exactly . what do you think . and bushra, what do you think to not this should be to whether or not this should be an industry, a trade per se . an industry, a trade per se. you know what until they're at risk:— you know what until they're at rheh aeeeee— you know what until they're at risk, assess and— you know what until they're at risk, assess and it's not safe enough. — risk, assess and it's not safe enough. h— risk, assess and it's not safe enough. i don't— risk, assess and it's not safe enough. i don't think trips like the— enough. i don't think trips like this-adventures- enough. i don't think trips like this adventures call it this and adventures i'd call it an adventure— this and adventures i'd call it an adventure like— this and adventures i'd call it an adventure like this be an adventure like this should be open— an adventure like this should be open-peppe— an adventure like this should be cpehlpecphe. rhet— an adventure like this should be open people. just you know, open to people. just you know, reaarchheee— open to people. just you know, reparchheee ct— open to people. just you know, regardless of how— open to people. just you know, regardless of how much money you have— regardless of how much money you hawelepemh— regardless of how much money you hawelepemhlht.— regardless of how much money you have.spend.it.-i- regardless of how much money you have.spend.it.-i get- have to spend on it. and i get why— have to spend on it. and i get why hatt— have to spend on it. and i get why not?-know,- have to spend on it. and i get why not? know, because it's why not? you know, because it's thet— why not? you know, because it's wet-eate— why not? you know, because it's twet-eate. amh— why not? you know, because it's just- safe. and -you - why not? you know, because it's just safe. and you end just not safe. and then you end up hawhhp— just not safe. and then you end up having issues— just not safe. and then you end up having issues like this where you up having issues like this where wcw thaw.— up having issues like this where you chew. the— up having issues like this where you know, this also affecting you know, this is also affecting ather— you know, this is also affecting ether-hecphe- you know, this is also affecting other-people are - other people. people are watchhha— other people. people are watching are watching this and people are petthhe— watching this and people are petthhe-at- watching this and people are getting-at home- watching this and people are getting at home and getting anxious at home and i getting anxious at home and i get that.— getting anxious at home and i get that. wew— getting anxious at home and i get that, you know, know, get that, you know, you know, wow-c— get that, you know, you know, wow-c hat— get that, you know, you know, you're not there. _ get that, you know, you know, you're not there. it's not happehhhg— you're not there. it's not happening to- you're not there. it's not happening to you. but it's still wet— happening to you. but it's still tuet watchhhg— happening to you. but it's still just watching it— happening to you. but it's still just watching it happen, knowing that—etch- just watching it happen, knowing that—etch ch- that there is a 19 year old on that.— that there is a 19 year old on that. the— that there is a 19 year old on that. the wow— that there is a 19 year old on that. like you said, ben, you thaw.— that. like you said, ben, you chew. the— that. like you said, ben, you know, the father— that. like you said, ben, you know, the father took him with hhm—eweh- know, the father took him with hhm—eweh me- know, the father took him with him.-even me as. him. you know, even me as a parent.— him. you know, even me as a parent. hm— him. you know, even me as a parent, i'm getting for parent, i'm getting anxious for them.— parent, i'm getting anxious for them-lh-m— parent, i'm getting anxious for them-lh'm hat— parent, i'm getting anxious for

them. i'm not sure whether them. so i'm not sure whether theee— them. so i'm not sure whether theee thhhge— them. so i'm not sure whether these things should be available just these things should be available wet-amt— these things should be available twet-wmhtichc— these things should be available just-until.do know- these things should be available just until do know more just yet until we do know more about— just yet until we do know more ahcwt—the- just yet until we do know more about—the flip- just yet until we do know more about the flip side about it. but then the flip side of about it. but then the flip side at the— about it. but then the flip side at thhe he— about it. but then the flip side of this is this— about it. but then the flip side of this is this their of this is this was their paeehcm — of this is this was theiri passion. -we're of this is this was their- passion. -we're talking passion. i mean, we're talking about of these people being about one of these people being known literally as titanic. known literally as mr titanic. this is what he loved to do. this is what he loved to do. this his passion. he was an this was his passion. he was an explorer. not just him. the explorer. and not just him. the other on there as well, other people on there as well, explorers to do something like this your dad, the trip of this with your dad, the trip of a lifetime , to see something a lifetime, to see something that you've read about, you've researched, watched the researched, you've watched the movies the rest of it. movies and all the rest of it. why should anyone else be able to on your behalf? no. the to say on your behalf? no. the risk for personally is too risk for you personally is too great, so therefore you can't do that. that's your choice and that. if that's your choice and you're sign off you're prepared to sign off waivers all the rest of it. waivers and all the rest of it. because there is also because also there is also a cer— because also there is also a ccet ahghe— because also there is also a ccet ahgte ct— because also there is also a cost angle of this as well, you thaw.— cost angle of this as well, you thaw-he— cost angle of this as well, you thaw-he haw— cost angle of this as well, you| know,-is now .we've know, which is now that we've harh— know, which is now that we've hat-ath— know, which is now that we've had-all these- know, which is now that we've had all these different had to have all these different agehchee— had to have all these different agencies together in the agencies come together in the ach— agencies come together in the search-mission,-is| search rescue mission, this is the— search rescue mission, this is thhe-gchhg— search rescue mission, this is thhe-gchhg te- search rescue mission, this is this-going to cost- this is also going to cost money — this is also going to cost mone-y lwcw- this is also going to cost money. you know, beyond the money. so you know, beyond the chemo— money. so you know, beyond the hzsocoo that— money. so you know, beyond the $250,000 that they've they've epeht— $250,000 that they've they've epeht ch — $250,000 that they've they've epeht ch ch — $250,000 that they've they've spent on on this,— $250,000 that they've they've spent on on this, this is now going— spent on on this, this is now going-a— spent on on this, this is now going a combined effort going to be a combined effort tram— going to be a combined effort from at— going to be a combined effort from all these— going to be a combined effort from all these facilities and resources available from that country.— resources available from that ccwhtrw-tc- resources available from that country.-to cost. country. it's going to cost money— country. it's going to cost money to— country. it's going to cost money to he— country. it's going to cost money to do this. country. it's going to cost

money to do this, money to do this. paul. hhhthche. — money to do this. paul. millions. yes,— money to do this. millions. yes, millions . millions. yes, millions. paul sawe— millions. yes, millions. paul says, michelle,— millions. yes, millions. paul says, michelle, this might sound silly, but don't you think there might be a way that a cable with a magnet that could be passed down to lift them up and he says about ships that lay cables ? about ships that lay cables? well, actually, there is a ship , a cable laying vessel that's helping out at the moment. and i'm not really sure that a cable with a magnet on it is going to be the solution. but there is a real question of is all well and good, paul potentially finding this vessel, that's great, all well and good. but actually then recovering it and the people in it. how does that happen? do we know? why captain know? which is why captain jeremy frederick, asked jeremy frederick, he was asked about said, we're about that and he said, we're looking at the salvage part once we where it is, we actually find where it is, because all well because it's all very well looking above going , looking from above and going, there it is now we've got to go and get it. so there is a eahwage— and get it. so there is a salvage operation- reh�*r: gt. . so there is a salvage operation that eh“r: gt;. . so there is a salvage operation that they're tccthhg— salvage operation that they're looking -they're - salvage operation that they're looking they're looking looking at that they're looking to ewhhg — looking at that they're looking to ewhhg hhtc— looking at that they're looking to swing into action. and it's hhtereethhg— to swing into action. and it's interesting actually use the warhe— interesting actually use the wcrche—tcl interesting actually use the. words—to find words if they managed to find it, words if they managed to find pa-thew— words if they managed to find n-thew whht— words if they managed to find it,-they will put- words if they managed to find it, they will put that it, then they will put that eahwage — it, then they will put that salvage operation place. salvage operation in place. wewe— salvage operation in place. wewe-ta— salvage operation in place. wewe-ta get- salvage operation in place. we've to get this we've got to get these this kind

of we've got to get these this kind at wew— we've got to get these this kind of very specialised— we've got to get these this kind of very specialised equipment. hheh— of very specialised equipment. hheh-eea. — of very specialised equipment. then - sea. and - of very specialised equipment. then-sea. and it's- then out to sea. and it's hwmhreche— then out to sea. and it's hundreds hundreds of miles hundreds and hundreds of miles out hundreds and hundreds of miles cat to— hundreds and hundreds of miles out tc-ht-e— hundreds and hundreds of miles out hence a— hundreds and hundreds of miles out to-it's a really- out to sea. it's a really difficult— out to sea. it's a really difficult operation. so yeah, eahtahte— difficult operation. so yeah, suitable assets— difficult operation. so yeah, suitable assets was the word he aeech — suitable assets was the word he aeech .thew— suitable assets was the word he used .they - have - suitable assets was the word he used they have enough used and they don't have enough of used and they don't have enough cat-at— used and they don't have enough ct-at the— used and they don't have enough of-at the moment.- used and they don't have enough of at the moment. they of them at the moment. no, they chcht. — of them at the moment. no, they chcht. lht— of them at the moment. no, they don't. .it would _ of them at the moment. no, they don't. .it would seem- of them at the moment. no, they don't. . : don't. so it would seem peter says , would do this says, why would anybody do this ? dangerous. and you're ? it is dangerous. and you're saying it's basically ghoulish as well. you're saying you can't imagine anything more imagine seeing anything more more a shipwreck ? more horrific than a shipwreck? well, i can tell you, having seen one there, beautiful. and i know it might sound odd if that's your kind of thing, that's not your kind of thing, but something but there's something captivating, intriguing , ing, captivating, intriguing, ing, mystifying, buve all detached. i can't explain unless you're into it . it might can't explain unless you're into it. it might sound a bit can't explain unless you're into it . it might sound a bit weird, it. it might sound a bit weird, actually, but i absolutely understand why people would want to do this if they've got the means to do it. would you though each to their own? we are all different and we are all of course, praying that this does have a positive outcome . we are have a positive outcome. we are not going anywhere when it comes to the of this story . any to the detail of this story. any development at all, you will be heanng development at all, you will be hearing about them first here on

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mornings on gb news. the people's channel, britain's news .channel hello people's channel, britain's news . channel hello there. welcome tact— . channel hello there. welcome pact to— . channel hello there. welcome back to dewbs_ . channel hello there. welcome back to dewbs &_ . channel hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co— “ hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co with ,. hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me back to dewbs& co with me hhchehhe— back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry right through till michelle dewberry right through thhh — michelle dewberry right through till seven. the— michelle dewberry right through till seven. the ceo of first rcpertw— till seven. the ceo of first rcpertw crapp— till seven. the ceo of first property group and former brexit party— property group and former brexit hartw whh— property group and former brexit rartw hath hec— property group and former brexit party mep ben habib, alongside me, party mep ben habib, alongside me-pchhthcah— party mep ben habib, alongside me, political commentator me, as is political commentator hwehra— me, as is political commentator bushra shaikh.— me, as is political commentator bushra shaikh..lot_ me, as is political commentator bushra shaikh. lot of people bushra shaikh. a lot of people agreehhg— bushra shaikh. a lot of people agreehhg whh— bushra shaikh. a lot of people agreeing with you, bushra, and eawhhg— agreeing with you, bushra, and eawhhg thew— agreeing with you, bushra, and eawhhg they are— agreeing with you, bushra, and saying they are absolutely on the eame— saying they are absolutely on the same side— saying they are absolutely on the same side of— saying they are absolutely on the same side of the fence of wow.— the same side of the fence of wet. thew— the same side of the fence of wet. thew-hat- the same side of the fence of wet. thew-hat ga- the same side of the fence of you. they not go anywhere you. they would not go anywhere hear-ae-gahte- near anything as risky, quite tramw— near anything as risky, quite trahhhw .— near anything as risky, quite trahhhw . ae— near anything as risky, quite frankly , as trying to dive down frankly, as trying to dive down aha— frankly, as trying to dive down amh tect— frankly, as trying to dive down amh heat at— frankly, as trying to dive down and look at the— frankly, as trying to dive down and look at the titanic. i think and look at the titanic. i think atew— and look at the titanic. i think atew ct— and look at the titanic. i think atew of wow— and look at the titanic. i think a few of you out— and look at the titanic. i think a few of you out there, though, weath— a few of you out there, though, wcwhch ht— a few of you out there, though, wcwhch ht wew— a few of you out there, though, would if you had— a few of you out there, though, would if you had them. i mean, if would if you had them. i mean, ht wew— would if you had them. i mean, ht wcw harh— would if you had them. i mean, ht you hach ath— would if you had them. i mean, if you had all the— would if you had them. i mean, if you had all the money in the worth.— if you had all the money in the worth. j-_ if you had all the money in the worth. j- sawe— if you had all the money in the world, j. says, can— if you had all the money in the world, j. says, can you stop going— world, j. says, can you stop gchhg ch— world, j. says, can you stop going on about— world, j. says, can you stop going on about it? who cares? the— going on about it? who cares? the ther— going on about it? who cares? it's their own— going on about it? who cares? it's their own fault, really. jay— it's their own fault, really. pay h— it's their own fault, really. raw t that— it's their own fault, really. jay if that was—

it's their own fault, really. jay if that was your family memerh— jay if that was your family member who— jay if that was your family member who chose do something member who chose to do something that interested— member who chose to do something that interested them— member who chose to do something that interested them and they etwch— that interested them and they were stuck and— that interested them and they were stuck and were were stuck and they were trapped.— were stuck and they were trapped, would not want trapped, would you not want anyone— trapped, would you not want anyonelcare?_ trapped, would you not want anyone-care? i— trapped, would you not want anyone care? i know. anyone to care? i don't know. i wcwhchht— anyone to care? i don't know. i wcwhchht ht— anyone to care? i don't know. i wcwhchht ht ht— anyone to care? i don't know. i wouldn't if it was— anyone to care? i don't know. i wouldn't if it was my family memerh— wouldn't if it was my family| member._let's member. anyway. look, let's tart.— member. anyway. look, let's tahh ehahh— member. anyway. look, let's talk, shall we?— member. anyway. look, let's talk, shall we? the cost of hhwhhg— talk, shall we? the cost of hhwhhg ae— talk, shall we? the cost of hhwhhg ae we— talk, shall we? the cost of living as we all- talk, shall we? the cost of living as we all know, food hmhatcm— living as we all know, food inflation, prices— living as we all know, food inflation, prices are, well, gate— inflation, prices are, well, gpte ety— inflation, prices are, well, quite sky high— inflation, prices are, well, quite sky high at the moment. amh— quite sky high at the moment. ahh the— quite sky high at the moment. and it's raised— quite sky high at the moment. and it's raised conversations, haeht— and it's raised conversations, haeht t.— and it's raised conversations, hasn't it, about— and it's raised conversations, hasn't it, about whether or not the government— hasn't it, about whether or not the government should intervene to the government should intervene tc herp— the government should intervene to hetp we— the government should intervene to hetp we ec— the government should intervene to help us so let's— the government should intervene to help us so let's cut straight to help us so let's cut straight to the— to help us so let's cut straight to the chaee— to help us so let's cut straight to the chase, shall we, ben tatt— to the chase, shall we, ben tahhh tach— to the chase, shall we, ben habib food price caps, that's what— habib food price caps, that's what eme— habib food price caps, that's what some people are calling her.— what some people are calling her. we— what some people are calling her. to wow— what some people are calling for. do you think— what some people are calling for. do you think we need them or for. do you think we need them car-ta.— for. do you think we need them cr-tc.|thhht— for. do you think we need them or- no, ithink we - for. do you think we need them or no, think we must not or not? no, i think we must not cap— or not? no, i think we must not cap-prhce— or not? no, i think we must not cap-prhce ct— or not? no, i think we must not cap-price of food. - or not? no, i think we must not cap price of food. \rrtr. cap the price of food. not teceawe— cap the price of food. not teceawe h— cap the price of food. not because i wish— cap the price of food. not because i wish to make life any more difficult for people in this country, but it's government interference and playing with death . delicate playing with death. delicate economic ecosystems that has got us into this problem in the first place. the big interference , of course, being interference, of course, being lockdowns and all the damage it did to supply chains, labour markets and so on. and now to be compounding that error with more interference , thinking that you

interference, thinking that you can solve this us doing something. i think the last time they tried to do this experiment was back in the 70 as you simply can't do it. governments can't control the economic organism in the way this government has repeatedly tried to do it over the last few years. you've got to now let markets sort themselves out. the good news, i think, michel, is that food pnces think, michel, is that food prices are stabilise rising. and actually, i've been reading recently about supermarkets entering price freezes and entering into price freezes and competition with each other, and that's the beginning of a sign of , you know, competition that's the beginning of a sign of, you know, competition coming backis of, you know, competition coming back is the beginning of a signs of things stabilising and prices coming to stabilise easing. so food inflation was at 16.5. . so food inflation was at 16.5. it's at— food inflation was at 16.5. it's at hm. — food inflation was at 16.5. it's now at 17.2. one— food inflation was at 16.5. it's now at 17.2. one of our repertere— now at 17.2. one of our reporters, well, our economics eater— reporters, well, our economics echtcr tc— reporters, well, our economics echtcr tc ghwe— reporters, well, our economics editor to give him— reporters, well, our economics editor to give him his correct the.— editor to give him his correct the. he— editor to give him his correct the. he cha— editor to give him his correct title, he did a— editor to give him his correct title, he did a report today hccthhg— title, he did a report today tccthhg at— title, he did a report today looking at food— title, he did a report today looking at food bank usage. and of course, we know— looking at food bank usage. and of course, we know that that is up- — of course, we know that that is wp. tc— of course, we know that that is wp. the wow— of course, we know that that is up. do you support, then the government— up. do you support, then the government getting involved and hhterwehhhg— government getting involved and hhterwehhhg tc— government getting involved and intervening to try— government getting involved and intervening to try and bring ccete— intervening to try and bring ccete chewa— intervening to try and bring

costs down when it comes to teach? — costs down when it comes to food? totally,— costs down when it comes to food? /rt:r food? totally, totally. you know, i fully support it. and i do understand what you're saying, this, you saying, ben, about this, you know, the know, just letting sort of the climate it needs to do. climate do what it needs to do. but are at a crucial stage but we are at a crucial stage where people genuinely cannot afford you know, for and afford to eat, you know, for and me, the primary concern always is how they is families like how are they going to survive? this is like food a basic essential. it's food is a basic essential. it's a necessity life. and with a necessity to life. and with the prices and i've been the soaring prices and i've been in myself to the soaring prices and i've been in that myself to the soaring prices and i've been in that something myself to the soaring prices and i've been in that something has self to the soaring prices and i've been in that something has goneo see that something has gone up by 2 or might just be okay by 2 or £3, i might just be okay to afford but the majority to afford that. but the majority of people have really, really struggling. so bring the price caps do it on the caps in. if you can do it on the gas. so how would it work then? so what the right way to do it, twehra— so what the right way to do it, twehra. he— so what the right way to do it, twehra. he tc— so what the right way to do it, bushra, is to put— so what the right way to do it, bushra, is to put more money in pecphe-e— bushra, is to put more money in match pcctete— bushra, is to put more money in people's pockets by reducing haee— people's pockets by reducing taxee—thatl people's pockets by reducing. taxes, _that they taxes, for example, so that they have— taxes, for example, so that they can have more— taxes, for example, so that they can have more use— taxes, for example, so that they can have more use of their own money— can have more use of their own mchew-the— can have more use of their own money the demands that money to meet the demands that this money to meet the demands that thhe-thwhhg— money to meet the demands that this-living-has- this cost of living crisis has createch — this cost of living crisis has. created. _government this cost of living crisis has- created. _government is created. but this government is so hooked a diet of so hooked on a diet of borrowing, taxing and spending that would rather use more that it would rather use more spending to cap the price of food than it would to cut your taxes and allow you to apply that extra income either to food

or to your energy bills, or indeed to paying your children's school fees or whatever it is that you wish to spend your money on. we've got a government that cannot through that cannot think through any prism other than one of taxing, borrowing and spending. and that's the problem. but i don't get this obsession with paying the covid debt off so quickly. i absolutely right. i let it sit eteahw. — i absolutely right. i let it sit steadv- yeah.— i absolutely right. . . : yeah, absolutely right . steady. yeah, absolutely right. i steady. yeah, absolutely right. h rememerh— steady. yeah, absolutely right. i remember rishi_ : yeah, absolutely right. i remember rishi sunak doing his htte— i remember rishi sunak doing his hhtthe che— i remember rishi sunak doing his hhtthe ct— i remember rishi sunak doing his little one of his— i remember rishi sunak doing his little one of his speeches and eawhhg— little one of his speeches and eawhhg .— little one of his speeches and eawhhg . 0h— little one of his speeches and saving , oh yeah— little one of his speeches and saying , oh yeah, it's really saying, oh yeah, it's really great— saying, oh yeah, it's really great that— saying, oh yeah, it's really great that we're - saying, oh yeah, it's really great that we're going to try aha— great that we're going to try amh paw— great that we're going to try amh paw chewa— great that we're going to try and pay down debt so we and pay down this debt so we chart— and pay down this debt so we chart-ch— and pay down this debt so we chant-ch tc— and pay down this debt so we don't-on to future- don't pass it on to future generations. _ don't pass it on to future- generations. _thinking, generations. and i was thinking, wet— generations. and i was thinking, wet-wew— generations. and i was thinking, well,-you doing?- generations. and i was thinking, well, you doing? why well, what are you doing? why wcht—wpt- well, what are you doing? why. won't—up? almost won't you package it up? almost like won't you package it up? almost the eme— won't you package it up? almost like some kind— won't you package it up? almost like some kind of— won't you package it up? almost like some kind of war debt, kick it like some kind of war debt, kick t at— like some kind of war debt, kick t cwt hatc— like some kind of war debt, kick it out into the— like some kind of war debt, kick it out into the long— like some kind of war debt, kick it out into the long grass. i'm hat— it out into the long grass. i'm hct eawhhg— it out into the long grass. i'm not saying ignore— it out into the long grass. i'm not saying ignore it, but kick it not saying ignore it, but kick t-wcw-re— not saying ignore it, but kick it you're absolutely it out. no, you're absolutely rhght. — it out. no, you're absolutely rhght. iamh— it out. no, you're absolutely right. .and-some- it out. no, you're absolutely right. and some interest it out. no, you're absolutely right.aroundj some interest it out. no, you're absolutely right.aroundj androme interest it out. no, you're absolutely right.aroundj and theninterest it out. no, you're absolutely right.aroundj and then you�*est it out. no, you're absolutely right.aroundj and then you can rates around it and then you can eharh— rates around it and then you can etart tc— rates around it and then you can etart to tech— rates around it and then you can start to look at— rates around it and then you can start to look at right how in the— start to look at right how in the-aha— start to look at right how in the-aha haw- start to look at right how in the-and now do- start to look at right how in the and now do we let the here and now do we let pecphe— the here and now do we let people breathe?— the here and now do we let people breathe? why on earth thew— people breathe? why on earth they-tinkering- people breathe? why on earth they tinkering with the they are not tinkering with the tax-hewcmh- they are not tinkering with the tax-beyond me.- they are not tinkering with the tax beyond me. can tax levels is beyond me. can i chant— tax levels is beyond me. can i chcht thaw— tax levels is beyond me. can i don't know what— tax levels is beyond me. can i don't know what they develop the pact— don't know what they develop the pchht wow-we— don't know what they develop the point you've made _ don't know what they develop the point you've made which is such a-pchm— point you've made which is such a-point-national. a valuable point our national gett— a valuable point our national

hettlcwer— a valuable point our national debt-over £2— a valuable point our national debt over £2 trillion, 850 debt is over £2 trillion, 850 hhhhhch— debt is over £2 trillion, 850 than at— debt is over £2 trillion, 850 billion of that— debt is over £2 trillion, 850 billion of that or- debt is over £2 trillion, 850 billion of that or even slightly mare-that— billion of that or even slightly mare-that he— billion of that or even slightly more that is owned by the more than that is owned by the tart— more than that is owned by the tank at— more than that is owned by the bank of england. _ more than that is owned by the bank of england. tg“. “e“r: bank of england. the right hand owes money to the left hand. and yet in this cost of living crisis, the bank of england was selling government debt , selling government debt, effectively raising the cost of capital as we were going into trouble. markets. that's what they did. you know, everyone blames liz truss for the mini—budget. the bank of england was exacerbating the problem by selling government debt. at the same the cost of same time pushing up the cost of debt. is absolutely daft what debt. it is absolutely daft what they should do is precisely what you've said is stay steady, left hand owes money to the right. no one's losing and wait one's losing anything and wait for the markets and the economy to recover . well, rishi sunak, to recover. well, rishi sunak, if to recover. well, rishi sunak, t wewe— to recover. well, rishi sunak, if you're watching— t well, rishi sunak, if you're watching and you want an economic strategist, i'm here.— an economic strategist, i'm here-available- an economic strategist, i'm here.-available .- an economic strategist, i'm here. available . bushra, here. i'm available. bushra, rhght— here. i'm available. bushra, rhght. wher— here. i'm available. bushra, right. when we— here. i'm available. bushra, right. when we talk about the government— right. when we talk about the government intervening, i am a captathet— government intervening, i am a captahhet. h— government intervening, i am a capitalist. i do— government intervening, i am a capitalist. i do believe in free markete— capitalist. i do believe in free markets, - also - capitalist. i do believe in free markets, also think there markets, but i also think there are markets, but i also think there a hat— markets, but i also think there a hot at— markets, but i also think there are a lot of greedy operatives going— are a lot of greedy operatives gchhg ch— are a lot of greedy operatives gchhg are at— are a lot of greedy operatives gchhg are at the— are a lot of greedy operatives going on at the moment. a lot of pecphe— going on at the moment. a lot of pecpte that— going on at the moment. a lot of people that actually, i would say— people that actually, i would eaw gwte— people that actually, i would say quite shamefully and i know

it's contradictory— say quite shamefully and i know it's contradictory being it's contradictory to me being a captathet— it's contradictory to me being a captathetlh— it's contradictory to me being a capitalist,-i think- it's contradictory to me being a capitalist, i think a of capitalist, but i think a lot of pecphe— capitalist, but i think a lot of pecpte are— capitalist, but i think a lot of people are deliberately for greet— people are deliberately for greed reasons,— people are deliberately for greed reasons, inflating prices amh— greed reasons, inflating prices aha h— greed reasons, inflating prices now. and i think— greed reasons, inflating prices now. and i think it's wrong . now. and i think it's wrong. wet.— now. and i think it's wrong. wet. h— now. and i think it's wrong. wet. h meam— now. and i think it's wrong. well, i mean, it— now. and i think it's wrong. well, i mean, it depends on what angle you want to look at it from, how far back you want to 90, from, how far back you want to go, it wasn't just covid go, because it wasn't just covid and this. and lockdown that's caused this. there of other issues there are lots of other issues happening i.e. the wall, happening around, i.e. the wall, the and the wall between russia and ukraine. also a huge ukraine. that's also a huge that's had a huge impact on the economy, the inflation and economy, on the inflation and the we our products from the way we get our products from and reach all these and how we reach all these resources . so not just one resources. so it's not just one thing. you're right, thing. so whilst you're right, i understand rishi sunak or understand for me rishi sunak or the government and tory party, they aukus covid they use aukus covid and lockdown let's just say, lockdown as let's just say, a guise or a blanket sort of idea of why we're, why things are being affected, you know, and it is, it is lies. it's, it's , it's is, it is lies. it's, it's, it's more than that for me. you know, the wall, the fact that we're funding ukraine with these weapons, resources weapons, these resources and this money is coming from somewhere. from our somewhere. it's coming from our resources, placed resources, which could be placed somewhere to somewhere else, but we have to send elsewhere. so it all send it elsewhere. so it all depends on how far back. i think that's a really valid—

that's a really valid question. the— that's a really valid question. the money— that's a really valid question. the money we've— that's a really valid question. the money we've spent 2.3 hhhthch— the money we've spent 2.3 billion last— the money we've spent 2.3 billion last year— the money we've spent 2.3 billion last year in ukraine. wewe— billion last year in ukraine. we-we mache— billion last year in ukraine. we've made commitment of we've made a commitment of another— we've made a commitment of another-billion.- another 2.3 billion. that's heartw— another 2.3 billion. that's nearlbeillion. - another 2.3 billion. that's nearly billion. that's 1% off nearly 5 billion. that's1% off the— nearly 5 billion. that's1% off the haehc— nearly 5 billion. that's1% off the basic rate— nearly 5 billion. that's1% off the basic rate of— nearly 5 billion. that's1% off the basic rate of tax . so we can the basic rate of tax. so we can tha— the basic rate of tax. so we can that money— the basic rate of tax. so we can that meet her— the basic rate of tax. so we can find money for that— the basic rate of tax. so we can find money for that , but we find money for that, but we cant— find money for that, but we cant tha— find money for that, but we can't find money for our own pecpte— can't find money for our own pecphe. — can't find money for our own pecphe. .thcw- can't find money for our own people. .know, i- can't find money for our own people. htrtr“ . can't find money for our own- people. .know, i won't make people. you know, i won't make any friends when make my final any friends when i make my final point this thing, but point on this ukraine thing, but i of because the uk i think a lot of because the uk really led the way in terms of how much money we were spending, we were the ones that was first in huge in really kind of showering huge amounts cash. i think amounts of cash. and i think i suspect a part of this was boris johnson trying to bolster his power , personal reputation, power, personal reputation, because things weren't going too well him here domestically well with him here domestically in the uk. let know what you in the uk. let me know what you think to that. but price caps would that, do you would you support that, do you think is government think it is a government intervention that's essential? do you think we've a little do you think we've got a little bit of hooked, quite frankly, on suckling on government's suckling on the government's teats? i thanks to the whole teats? i do. thanks to the whole kind of furlough but kind of furlough thing. but maybe you think that the time is now. maybe time's is simply just too tight . and i dread to think too tight. and i dread to think what's going to happen well

what's going to happen as well when the mortgages to when the mortgages continue to increase off increase and people come off their it's happening their rates as it's happening every we'll be every day. and we'll be happening more and more in the coming let me coming weeks and months. let me know thoughts . know your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you can reach me now. i want to talk to you a story that really to you about a story that really caught eye. muslim mayor in caught my eye. a muslim mayor in yorkshire . he was photographed yorkshire. he was photographed proudly raising a pride flag. so he was everybody. but a few minutes later, so it feels like anyway, he was very quickly back—pedalling . i could tell you back—pedalling. i could tell you that with his statement apologising and all the rest of it. what's going on? do you think people are peer pressured into thing and kind into celebrating thing and kind of getting involved with pride? do you think religion can be incompatible when it comes to kind of libertarian society ? the kind of libertarian society? the tories your thoughts and i'll see you .

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dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, ben habib and bushra shaikh remain. welcome back, everybody . lots of welcome back, everybody. lots of you getting involved about food price caps . you're kind of price caps. you're kind of divided really as to whether or not you do think they are needed or not. john, you're saying as well about that greedflation thing that what you want to see is an investigation into certain markets to see whether or not there is indeed blatant profits airing, exploiting over and above what is acceptable. but thatis above what is acceptable. but that is a key question, though, isn't it? what is acceptable? because what some people would think is a reasonable profit margin, someone else would say they out bed for they won't get out of bed for that level of profit. so that one continue divide us. one will continue to divide us. that sure. now, something that is for sure. now, something caught earlier today, so caught my eye earlier today, so it did. conservative mayor has it did. a conservative mayor has resigned after being labelled homophobic apologised homophobic when he apologised for attending a council . lgbtq+ for attending a council. lgbtq+ pride events. mohamed the mayor of keighley in west yorkshire, said in his facebook post that pride contradicts his personal

religious beliefs and that it was a lapse of judgement to attend the raising of a progress flag . i've got to say, flag. i've got to say, a statement goes on and on and on and on and on. and when i was reading it, i thought if i didn't know the context of this, i would think this fellow was almost it's almost like he's murdered someone. did. i read murdered someone. i did. i read it. of language it. and some of the language i whole wholeheartedly apologise , whole wholeheartedly apologise, guys. on that is guys. it goes on that is repented for his sin kind of thing . it's a bit weird and thing. it's a bit weird and a little bit over the top if you ask me. what do you make to it? well, i mean, contrary to what pecpte— well, i mean, contrary to what pecpte want— well, i mean, contrary to what pecpte wam tc— well, i mean, contrary to what people want to say, you know, he did people want to say, you know, he at ecmethhhg— people want to say, you know, he did something which was kind of agahhet— did something which was kind of agahhet hhe— did something which was kind of against his principles as a mwehhm— against his principles as a muslim. you— against his principles as a muslim. you know, he was ewppcrthhg— muslim. you know, he was ewppcrthhg aha— muslim. you know, he was supporting and contributing, i gwee— supporting and contributing, i gweeela— supporting and contributing, i gweeela tc— supporting and contributing, i guess,.a to pride- supporting and contributing, i guess, a to pride month, guess, to a to pride month, whhch— guess, to a to pride month, which _totally- guess, to a to pride month, which totally contradicts which which totally contradicts what— which which totally contradicts what we — which which totally contradicts what we believe _ which which totally contradicts what we believe as muslims. so for hhm— what we believe as muslims. so for hhm tc— what we believe as muslims. so for him to have— what we believe as muslims. so for him to have done that, of course, he's going to be apctcgethc— course, he's going to be apologetic because would apologetic because you would have— apologetic because you would have-hat— apologetic because you would have-hat ct— apologetic because you would have-lot of his- have upset a lot of his community. - have upset a lot of his community. have upset a lot of his- community. so let me square have upset a lot of his— community. so let me square this circle so if you've got circle then. so if you've got you're a practising am you're a practising muslim, am i right? yeah so if you have got a religion or faith or whatever

that says to you, right. so we are against or not in favour of whatever the right terminology is, lgbtq+ whatever the saying is, lgbtq+ whatever the saying is, how is that compassion able then with being able to work in pubuc then with being able to work in public office? okay, so these are public office? okay, so these twa— public office? okay, so these are two these— public office? okay, so these are two these are— public office? okay, so these are two these are two- t. t.rt;7’ okay, so these are two these are two different gweethche. — are two these are two different gweethche. sc— are two these are two different questions. so the— are two these are two different questions. so the first thing is that— questions. so the first thing is that when— questions. so the first thing is that when t— questions. so the first thing is that when it comes to working in pwhthc— that when it comes to working in pwhhhc cthce— that when it comes to working in public office and— that when it comes to working in public office and working as a ccwcchhhcr— public office and working as a councillor, government mp, etcetera— councillor, government mp, etcetera. wcw — councillor, government mp, etcetera, you are going to find wcwreet— etcetera, you are going to find yourself having— etcetera, you are going to find yourself having to decide, chechche— yourself having to decide, decide to decide whether you're going to not decide whether you're going to act gc — decide whether you're going to act gc wth— decide whether you're going to not go with your— decide whether you're going to not go with your values and your prhhchptee— not go with your values and your principles-which— not go with your values and your principles which those principles and which of those thhhge— principles and which of those thhhge-mcre— principles and which of those things more important to things is, is more important to you— things is, is more important to wow aha— things is, is more important to wow act that— things is, is more important to you and that is— things is, is more important to you and that is really difficult. _ you and that is really difficult. that's why a lot of hwehhme— difficult. that's why a lot of muslims-find— difficult. that's why a lot of muslims-find it- difficult. that's why a lot of muslims find it very tricky muslims do find it very tricky to muslims do find it very tricky tc-wcrt— muslims do find it very tricky tc-wcrt h— muslims do find it very tricky to-work in those- muslims do find it very tricky to work in those those to go and work in those those environments— to go and work in those those environments because if they're very.— environments because if they're werw-etrhct— environments because if they're very, - strict, they're - very, very strict, they're never, ever going to do ecmethhhg— never, ever going to do something that's to be something that's going to be agahhet— something that's going to be agahhet-thcw- something that's going to be against know, i've against that. you know, i've epcteh— against that. you know, i've epctehlpecphe- against that. you know, i've. spoken-people-say spoken to people who will say that— spoken to people who will say that h— spoken to people who will say that h-hct— spoken to people who will say that i-not do _ spoken to people who will say that i not do anything that i will not do anything that-e— that i will not do anything that-e-tc— that i will not do anything that-e-tc ga- that i will not do anything that's to go against my that's going to go against my prhhchphee— that's going to go against my prhhchphee-h-m- principles because i'm a prhhchphech— principles because i'm a principled person. therefore, there— principled person. therefore, there are— principled person. therefore, there are certain— principled person. therefore, there are certain avenues that you— there are certain avenues that wow—cact- you can't that you can't exptcre. — you can't that you can't explore. .then- you can't that you can't explore. ’.�*il�* you can't that you can't. explore. .then that to explore. but then that to me, would incompatible. then would make it incompatible. then with mean, i don't with going into i mean, i don't know something know if i'm missing something here, if your job is as

here, but if yourjob is as a pubuc here, but if yourjob is as a public servant councillor, mayor, whatever, role is mayor, whatever, the role is irrelevant you're there to irrelevant and you're there to represent constituencies. represent your constituencies. so your constituents surely then representing all of them, whatever their sexuality, whatever their sexuality, whatever their sexuality, whatever their race, faith, whatever, that is part of your job, isn't it ? of course it's job, isn't it? of course it's part— job, isn't it? of course it's part at— job, isn't it? of course it's part at wcwr— job, isn't it? of course it's part at cm rhet— job, isn't it? of course it's part of your job and- . .7’ of course it's part of your job and i mean, i'm part of yourjob and i mean, i'm hat— part of yourjob and i mean, i'm hct hatc— part of yourjob and i mean, i'm not into pride— part of yourjob and i mean, i'm not into pride month. i'm not hate— not into pride month. i'm not hate tether — not into pride month. i'm not into lgbtq+ being celebrated for an entre— into lgbtq+ being celebrated for an entire month,— into lgbtq+ being celebrated for an entire month, but having said that.— an entire month, but having said that. what— an entire month, but having said that. what h— an entire month, but having said that, what i find— an entire month, but having said that, what i find quite interesting— that, what i find quite interesting about this story is the waet— interesting about this story is the vast majority of people who watch— the vast majority of people who would promote _ the vast majority of people who would promote minority rights ewch— would promote minority rights ewch ae— would promote minority rights ewch ae hcth. — would promote minority rights such as lgbt. q— would promote minority rights such as lgbt. q plus, are the tha— such as lgbt. q plus, are the same kind of— such as lgbt. q plus, are the same kind of people who would promote— same kind of people who would promote the— same kind of people who would promote the rights of muslims to have— promote the rights of muslims to have met— promote the rights of muslims to have their own— promote the rights of muslims to have their own private worship and:— have their own private worship amh. wew— have their own private worship amh. wcw thaw.— have their own private worship and, you know, do— have their own private worship and, you know, do as they would wheh— and, you know, do as they would wheh tc— and, you know, do as they would wheh to he. — and, you know, do as they would wish to do. and— and, you know, do as they would wish to do. and here you've got a hater— wish to do. and here you've got a hawcr that-e— wish to do. and here you've got a mayor that's crossed that hcwmharw— a mayor that's crossed that hcwmharw .— a mayor that's crossed that hcwmharw . te— a mayor that's crossed that boundary . he he's stood up for boundary. he he's stood up for tech.— boundary. he he's stood up for tech. c— boundary. he he's stood up for tech. c phwe— boundary. he he's stood up for lgbt. q plus minority rights and then— lgbt. q plus minority rights and then tcwmh— lgbt. q plus minority rights and then found that— lgbt. q plus minority rights and then found that he's alienated his then found that he's alienated the crew— then found that he's alienated his own constituency in his hacwgh— his own constituency in his hccwgh. amh— his own constituency in his borough. and what i find quite trhghtehhhg— borough. and what i find quite frightening about the story is how— frightening about the story is how che— frightening about the story is how one minority, in this case hwehhme— how one minority, in this case hwehhme .— how one minority, in this case hwehhme . have— how one minority, in this case muslims , have shut him down. and

muslims, have shut him down. and i muslims, have shut him down. and h meah— muslims, have shut him down. and h wew— muslims, have shut him down. and h wcw ca— muslims, have shut him down. and i mean, you can you— muslims, have shut him down. and i mean, you can you know, it's ahechwtehw— i mean, you can you know, it's ahechwtetw h— i mean, you can you know, it's absolutely i think— i mean, you can you know, it's absolutely i think stands the teet— absolutely i think stands the teet ct— absolutely i think stands the test of cursory— absolutely i think stands the test of cursory scrutiny that if het— test of cursory scrutiny that if heth eat— test of cursory scrutiny that if he'd said the _ test of cursory scrutiny that if he'd said the same thing , you he'd said the same thing, you thaw— he'd said the same thing, you thaw .— he'd said the same thing, you thaw . t— he'd said the same thing, you thaw . t het— he'd said the same thing, you know , if he'd been criticised by know, if he'd been criticised by chrhethahe— know, if he'd been criticised by chrhethahe .— know, if he'd been criticised by christians , he— know, if he'd been criticised by christians , he would never have christians, he would never have teem — christians, he would never have teem te— christians, he would never have been. he would— christians, he would never have been. he would never have had that— been. he would never have had that repehtaht— been. he would never have had that repentant apology the way that— that repentant apology the way that he— that repentant apology the way that he cha— that repentant apology the way that he at .— that repentant apology the way that he did . and— that repentant apology the way that he did . and there is that he did. and there is ecmethhhg— that he did. and there is something about islam. there's ecmethhhg— something about islam. there's something about— something about islam. there's something about that minority me that chaee— something about that minority me that chaee cw— something about that minority me that does cow people who crthchee— that does cow people who criticise it— that does cow people who criticise it .— that does cow people who criticise it . and- that does cow people who criticise it . and even now, as criticise it. and even now, as i eat.— criticise it. and even now, as i eaw thhe— criticise it. and even now, as i eat thhe tahr. — criticise it. and even now, as i say, this fair. it's— criticise it. and even now, as i say, this fair. . t . say, this fair. it's fair. it's fair , and i'd say it's fair to fair, and i'd say it's fair to say, but it's also very true. and i think it's very right for people to criticise things. it's a religion in for, for muslims. it's it's a word of god. and they have boundaries. we have boundaries. we have lines and if you don't criticise something thatis you don't criticise something that is a principle, that means it's not really principle to it's not really a principle to begin they should begin with. so, so they should begin with. so, so they should be prepared to have it challenged have debate. challenged and have the debate. absolutely. is, absolutely. and the thing is, when pride month when we talk about pride month and talking about lgbtqi and we're talking about lgbtqi and we're talking about lgbtqi and you know the of that, and you know the rest of that, nobody actually knows that and you know the rest of that,

nc anymore. ially knows that and you know the rest of that, nc anymore. you knows that and you know the rest of that, nc anymore. you see, vs that and you know the rest of that, ncanymore. you see, because hat and you know the rest of that, nc anymore. you see, because itit is anymore. you see, because it encompasses different encompasses so many different elements community. elements of the community. and i think to that think we need to clarify that first. so you've got the trans movement and you've got being gay and they're two gay and muslims, and they're two totally and totally different things and they're and the they're so different and the thing with having a thing is with with having a belief or any kind of or belief or any kind of system or trying live life, the trying to live your life, the key to understand is not key thing to understand is not to that on, on to impose that on, on, on anybody else. but we're finding with trans let's with the trans movement, let's just is an just say that it is an imposition at the moment. we're finding that you cannot go anywhere down anywhere unless it's rammed down your throats. and that's not what should doing what anyone one should be doing of community. but then i of any community. but then i don't of any community. but then i chant-t— of any community. but then i chant-t twe— of any community. but then i don't-if i've got- of any community. but then i don't-if i've got a- of any community. but then ii don't-if i've got a viewer don't know if i've got a viewer watchhhg— don't know if i've got a viewer watching perhaps— don't know if i've got a viewer watching perhaps whatever thew-ht— watching perhaps whatever they'll watching this and they'll be watching this now and eawhg— they'll be watching this now and eawhg-hahg— they'll be watching this now and eawhg-hahgla- they'll be watching this now and saying, hang a second, saying, well, hang on a second, hm— saying, well, hang on a second, h-m hat— saying, well, hang on a second, i'm not muslim,— saying, well, hang on a second, i'm not muslim, i'm not chrhethah— i'm not muslim, i'm not christian or— i'm not muslim, i'm not christian or whatever. so the tether— christian or whatever. so the belief system _ christian or whatever. so the belief system of— christian or whatever. so the belief system of whatever rehhghch— belief system of whatever rehhghch t— belief system of whatever religion it is,— belief system of whatever religion it is, christianity , religion it is, christianity, hetam— religion it is, christianity, islam, whatever , why is that islam, whatever, why is that retewaht— islam, whatever, why is that rehewaht tc — islam, whatever, why is that relevant to me?— islam, whatever, why is that relevant to me? why should that per— relevant to me? why should that pee teet— relevant to me? why should that person feel like— relevant to me? why should that person feel like they are in the wrong— person feel like they are in the wrong cr— person feel like they are in the wrong or should— person feel like they are in the wrong or should be shamed or whatever— wrong or should be shamed or whatever t— wrong or should be shamed or whatever it is— wrong or should be shamed or whatever it is for— wrong or should be shamed or whatever it is for their belief ewetemt— whatever it is for their belief system? hwet— whatever it is for their belief system? just because there's a chtterem— system? just because there's a different belief— system? just because there's a different belief system out there? — different belief system out there? yeah,— different belief system out there? yeah, i— different belief system out there? “413?" r:rt:r“ .

there? yeah, i don't think i don't think anybody should be shamed. i think the issue always happens is when you have the imposition of it being put on by the really important point, if i may so, you've made may say so, that you've made bushra, that these debates bushra, is that these debates are not in order to are taken not in order to facilitate further debate and to recognise other people's rights to do as they they these these arguments are made to suppress this opinion, to control it. and it's part of woke if you cheat— and it's part of woke if you cheat mhmh— and it's part of woke if you don't mind me— and it's part of woke if you don't mind me saying so this is all don't mind me saying so this is at part— don't mind me saying so this is at part at— don't mind me saying so this is at part at the— don't mind me saying so this is all part of the woke agenda cetehehhhw— all part of the woke agenda ostensibly promote minority rhghte— ostensibly promote minority rhghtetc— ostensibly promote minority rights to shut— ostensibly promote minority rights to shut down debate so that— rights to shut down debate so that wew— rights to shut down debate so that wcw ca— rights to shut down debate so that you can deliver your pchthcah— that you can deliver your political ideology whatever that is. political ideology whatever that he. amh— political ideology whatever that he. aha sahhg— political ideology whatever that is. and sadiq khan, who's also hwehhm— is. and sadiq khan, who's also hwehhm. chaee— is. and sadiq khan, who's also muslim, does this— is. and sadiq khan, who's also muslim, does this incredibly wet.— muslim, does this incredibly wet. yeah.— muslim, does this incredibly well. yeah, he's— muslim, does this incredibly well. yeah, he's always wrapping hhmeet— well. yeah, he's always wrapping hhmeet h— well. yeah, he's always wrapping hhmeet he a— well. yeah, he's always wrapping himself in a pride— well. yeah, he's always wrapping himself in a pride flag, isn't het— himself in a pride flag, isn't he? sc— himself in a pride flag, isn't he? so h— himself in a pride flag, isn't he? so i don't— himself in a pride flag, isn't he? so i don't know how sad he teete— he? so i don't know how sad he teehe ahcwt— he? so i don't know how sad he feels about that— he? so i don't know how sad he feels about that .— he? so i don't know how sad he feels about that . maybe feels about that. maybe he'lli come-show-explain feels about that. maybe he'll- come-show-explain . come on the show and explain. how— come on the show and explain. how eee— come on the show and explain. how wher— come on the show and explain. how when r— come on the show and explain. you see, when i when- come on the show and explain. you see, when i when i- come on the show and explain. you see, when i when i read deeply this apology statement that was published by this mayor, i wholeheartedly apologise my participation. apologise for my participation. the raising ceremony , as it the flag raising ceremony, as it contradicts personal contradicts my personal religious beliefs. of religious beliefs. as many of you aware, i want to

you are aware, i want to emphasise emphasise that i've you are aware, i want to emp personally hasise that i've you are aware, i want to emp personally repentedat i've you are aware, i want to emp personally repented for�*ve also personally repented for this error reflected deeply on the consequences of my actions and back, i have and looking back, i should have respectfully declined the request at the time. and it goes on and he he's been shot down. he's been shut down, but he goes on. it does seem a little bit tac— on. it does seem a little bit too mwch— on. it does seem a little bit too much, doesn't- rt“ it does seem a little bit too much, doesn't it? it seems the— too much, doesn't it? it seems the the— too much, doesn't it? it seems hhhe the a— too much, doesn't it? it seems like it's a little _ too much, doesn't it? it seems like it's a little bit— too much, doesn't it? it seems like it's a little bit over the top,— like it's a little bit over the tap. ec— like it's a little bit over the tap. ec h-m— like it's a little bit over the top, so i'm not— like it's a little bit over the top, so i'm not too sure what he thhhhhhg— top, so i'm not too sure what he wtaehhhhhhg. — top, so i'm not too sure what he thhhhhhg. h— top, so i'm not too sure what he was thinking. i hope- top, so i'm not too sure what he was thinking. i hope that people can find it within their hearts to forgive me this lapse of to forgive me for this lapse of judgement. understand judgement. i understand the distress my actions have distress us that my actions have caused. so the question he has to answer now is,— caused. so the question he has to answer now is, is— t: so the question he has to answer now is, is he ahth—hghtg— to answer now is, is he anti—lgbtq plus rights? because that apchcgw— anti—lgbtq plus rights? because that apctcgw etc— anti—lgbtq plus rights? because that apology erg effectively is heat— that apology erg effectively is deny announcing— that apology erg effectively is deny announcing what he had prewhcwehw— deny announcing what he had previously stood— deny announcing what he had previously stood for. and there-e— previously stood for. and there's the _ previously stood for. and there's the idiocy in this whole wche— there's the idiocy in this whole wche thhhg— there's the idiocy in this whole woke thing. you've now got two mhhcrtw— woke thing. you've now got two minority interests— woke thing. you've now got two minority interests going head to heat— minority interests going head to heat agahhet— minority interests going head to head against each other, both of whhch— head against each other, both of whhch chant— head against each other, both of which don't like— head against each other, both of which don't like being shut chcwm — which don't like being shut chcwm wet.— which don't like being shut down. well, i'm- which don't like being shut down. gt:r “g which don't like being shut down. gt “g down. well, i'm going to leave you to ponder that question this evening. it can be your homework tonight. is religion compatible with the direction of travel in

western society? it's all very liberal now, isn't it? everyone can be anything, do anything. and all the rest of it. is there a contradiction and if so, would that rule you out or should it, from serving in public office? i don't suspect that that debate will be solved any time soon. we'll revisit it, i am sure of that. for now, bushra, thank that. but for now, bushra, thank you for your time and your company. face. thank company. a new face. and thank you. ben habib, as you. of course. ben habib, as always, you also to you always, thank you also to you guys at home. i'm sorry i couldn't bring you more positive news about that rescue effort, which we started with. we'll be staying across that as a channel. and when something does happen, that happen, you can be sure that you'll first. but you'll hear it here first. but for now, do not go anywhere. nigel farage is up next. i'll see you tomorrow. hello? it's hhhah— see you tomorrow. hello? it's aidan mcgivern_ see you tomorrow. hello? it's aidan mcgivern here- hello? it's aidan mcgivern here with the gb tewe— aidan mcgivern here with the gb tewe tcrecaet— aidan mcgivern here with the gb news forecast from _ aidan mcgivern here with the gb news forecast from the met orthce. — news forecast from the met office. .you've_ news forecast from the met office. you've been affected office. if you've been affected by any— office. if you've been affected by any at— office. if you've been affected by any at tchaw-e— office. if you've been affected by any of today's showers, well, thew— by any of today's showers, well, thew-eaee— by any of today's showers, well, they-ease through- by any of today's showers, well, they ease through the they will ease through the ewehhhg— they will ease through the evening-clear- they will ease through the evening clear spells evening with clear spells chewehcphhg— evening with clear spellsi developing-but developing overnight. but rather— developing overnight. but further showers expected on hhwrehaw— further showers expected on thursday before _ further showers expected on thursday before more widely ewhehhhe— thursday before more widely sunshine and— thursday before more widely sunshine and higher temperatures atthe— sunshine and higher temperatures at the ehh— sunshine and higher temperatures at the each at— sunshine and higher temperatures at the end of the— sunshine and higher temperatures at the end of the week. low pee at— at the end of the week. low pressure at moment has

pressure at the moment has hrcwght— pressure at the moment has hrcwght-rahh- pressure at the moment has brought rain and brought areas of rain and ehwere— brought areas of rain and showers across- brought areas of rain and showers across many parts of the uk showers across many parts of the th .— showers across many parts of the th . ohe— showers across many parts of the th . ohe ewetem— showers across many parts of the uk . one system clears the east uk. one system clears the east of scattahch — uk. one system clears the east of scotland, pushing into orkney and of scotland, pushing into orkney amh ehettahh— of scotland, pushing into orkney and shetland overnight, but only as and shetland overnight, but only ae cwthreahe— and shetland overnight, but only as outbreaks of— and shetland overnight, but only as outbreaks of mainly light rah— as outbreaks of mainly light rain showers— as outbreaks of mainly light rain showers elsewhere tend to chheappear— rain showers elsewhere tend to disappear. although a few will heep— disappear. although a few will heep-hcrcee— disappear. although a few will keep across western keep going. across western scathahh— keep going. across western ecctahch .— keep going. across western scotland , northern ireland as scotland, northern ireland as wet— scotland, northern ireland as wet .— scotland, northern ireland as wet . harhe— scotland, northern ireland as well . parts of— scotland, northern ireland as well . parts of wales perhaps well. parts of wales perhaps eeehhg— well. parts of wales perhaps eeehhg-chh— well. parts of wales perhaps seeing odd shower overnight, well. parts of wales perhaps seeiotherwised shower overnight, well. parts of wales perhaps seeiotherwise clearlver overnight, well. parts of wales perhaps seeiotherwise clear spellsernight, well. parts of wales perhaps seeiotherwise clear spells .night, well. parts of wales perhaps seeiotherwise clear spells . a]ht, but otherwise clear spells. a treeher— but otherwise clear spells. a fresher night,— but otherwise clear spells. a fresher night, i— but otherwise clear spells. a fresher night, i think, compared wth— fresher night, i think, compared whth ccem— fresher night, i think, compared with recent nights, but still warmer than— with recent nights, but still warmer than average with temperatwree— warmer than average with temperatures staying at 1415 cehehwe— temperatures staying at 1415 cehehwelthe— temperatures staying at 1415 celsius the south, 12 to 13 celsius in the south, 12 to 13 rather— celsius in the south, 12 to 13 further north. _ celsius in the south, 12 to 13 further north. we're soon seeing thcee— further north. we're soon seeing those showers— further north. we're soon seeing those showers develop once again across scotland _ those showers develop once again across scotland and— those showers develop once again across scotland and northern hrehamh— across scotland and northern hrehahch ch— across scotland and northern ireland on wednesday morning. amh— ireland on wednesday morning. aha-centra— ireland on wednesday morning. and central western and then central and western parte— and then central and western partelthghamh.— and then central and western parts england, as parts of england, as well as watee— parts of england, as well as wahee chce— parts of england, as well as wales once again. these showers whh— wales once again. these showers whhtlhhghhw— wales once again. these showers will highly localised in will be highly localised and in ecme-thewtt— will be highly localised and in some they'll downpour some places they'll be downpour arter— some places they'll be downpour after downpour— some places they'll be downpour after downpour with some hail aha—phaceel after downpour with some haili and—places will and lightning. other places will eat— and lightning. other places will etaw—the- and lightning. other places will stay _the showers, stay dry and avoid the showers, parthcwtarhw— particularly towards the south—east— particularly towards the - south—east-temperatures south—east where temperatures whh— south—east where temperatures wht reach— south—east where temperatures wht reach 77— south—east where temperatures will reach 27.28— south—east where temperatures will reach 27 28 celsius, but will reach 27 or 28 celsius, but tahrtw— will reach 27 or 28 celsius, but tahrtw whhehw— will reach 27 or 28 celsius, but fairly widely across the uk. low to ma— fairly widely across the uk. low to mhch-are— fairly widely across the uk. low to mid are expected to mid 20s are expected away tram— to mid 20s are expected away from .downpours- to mid 20s are expected away from .downpours .- to mid 20s are expected away from downpours . showers will from any downpours. showers will ehw— from any downpours. showers will only heep— from any downpours. showers will only keep going— from any downpours. showers will only keep going until about 8 or 9 pm. — only keep going until about 8 or 9 pm. arch— only keep going until about 8 or 9 pm. amh theh— only keep going until about 8 or

9 pm. and then clear spells and dry 9 p.m. and then clear spells and dry tar— 9 pm. and then clear spells and dry her many— 9 pm. and then clear spells and dry for many overnight. but it etawe— dry for many overnight. but it etawe mhhch— dry for many overnight. but it stays mild with— dry for many overnight. but it stays mild with temperatures up and stays mild with temperatures up amh chewa— stays mild with temperatures up amh town the— stays mild with temperatures up and down the country largely hcthhhg— and down the country largely hchchhhg wp— and down the country largely hchchhhg wp h— and down the country largely holding up in the teens and perhape— holding up in the teens and perhape a— holding up in the teens and perhaps a degree or so higher compared— perhaps a degree or so higher compared with— perhaps a degree or so higher compared with the forthcoming hhght. — compared with the forthcoming hhght. amh— compared with the forthcoming hhght. aha ec— compared with the forthcoming night. and so it— compared with the forthcoming night. and so it looks like it's going— night. and so it looks like it's gchhg tc— night. and so it looks like it's gchhg to he— night. and so it looks like it's gchhg to he a— night. and so it looks like it's going to be a fairly muggy one. ohce— going to be a fairly muggy one. ohce agar.— going to be a fairly muggy one. once again, but— going to be a fairly muggy one. once again, but widely sunny ehhee— once again, but widely sunny ehhee ae— once again, but widely sunny ehhee ae we— once again, but widely sunny skies as we start— once again, but widely sunny skies as we start off thursday. amh— skies as we start off thursday. aha tar— skies as we start off thursday. art for many— skies as we start off thursday. and for many, it— skies as we start off thursday. and for many, it will stay that way— and for many, it will stay that way hhtc — and for many, it will stay that way hate the — and for many, it will stay that way into the afternoon. however, ctcwhe— way into the afternoon. however, some clouds will— way into the afternoon. however, some clouds will bubble up once agahn— some clouds will bubble up once agahh. eepechatw— some clouds will bubble up once again, especially for parts of taet— again, especially for parts of taet wahee— again, especially for parts of east wales into _ again, especially for parts of east wales into the midlands , east wales into the midlands, tcwarche—ctl towards the south—east of thghamh— towards the south—east of hhgtamh aha— towards the south—east of england and 1— towards the south—east of england and 1 or 2 for northern thghahch — england and 1 or 2 for northern hhghahch twt— england and 1 or 2 for northern england. but for— england and 1 or 2 for northern england. but for much of scathamh— england. but for much of scotland, northern ireland, ecwthem— scotland, northern ireland, southern parts— scotland, northern ireland, southern parts of england, it etawe—chawl southern parts of england, itj etawe—chaw ch stays dry through the day on hhwrechaw— stays dry through the day on hhwrechaw. dry— stays dry through the day on thursday, dry again on friday, but thursday, dry again on friday, hwt mec— thursday, dry again on friday, but more unsettled in the hcrthweet—

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