who in coming in from bangladesh who in the past— coming in from bangladesh who in the past has— coming in from bangladesh who in the past has suggested that money— the past has suggested that eenyne enn— the past has suggested that anyone that questions the nnepnen— anyone that questions the prophet should be beheaded. rwy prophet should be beheaded. why on earth— prophet should be beheaded. why on earth is— prophet should be beheaded. why on earth in ne— prophet should be beheaded. why on earth is he speaking— prophet should be beheaded. why on earth is he speaking in the uk tonight, debate uk.7 tonight, we'll debate whether career whether boris johnson's career in tory party is finished in the tory party is finished with a miss. england should go back to wearing bikinis in the contest and i'll bring you live. the result of the gripping first ashes test match. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you. polly middlehurst. nigel, thank yen. need— polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you. good afternoon.— 3: nigel, thank you. good afternoon. well, our top— you. good afternoon. well, our non enn— you. good afternoon. well, our non seen nengnn— you. good afternoon. well, our top story tonight on gb news is enn— top story tonight on gb news is net nne— top story tonight on gb news is that five people— top story tonight on gb news is that five people inside a missing— that five people inside a missing submersible in the north meanne— missing submersible in the north atlantic ocean— missing submersible in the north atlantic ocean have around 40 none— atlantic ocean have around 40 none oxygen— atlantic ocean have around 40 hours oxygen left— atlantic ocean have around 40 hours oxygen left . it's being hours oxygen left. it's being renenee— hours oxygen left. it's being reported that— hours oxygen left. it's being reported that specialist equipment— reported that specialist equipment here in the uk that does— equipment here in the uk that does neve— equipment here in the uk that does have the— equipment here in the uk that does have the capability to help weane— does have the capability to help teeene nneee— does have the capability to help locate those kinds— does have the capability to help locate those kinds of vessels nee— locate those kinds of vessels nee been— locate those kinds of vessels has been turned— locate those kinds of vessels has been turned down by the unnee— has been turned down by the united states— has been turned down by the united states government despite euegeen— united states government despite allegedly getting— united states government despite allegedly getting clearance from the allegedly getting clearance from nne nee. — allegedly getting clearance from nne nee. se— allegedly getting clearance from the mod. so the— allegedly getting clearance from the mod. so the us navy is now involved— the mod. so the us navy is now involved in— the mod. so the us navy is now involved in the— the mod. so the us navy is now involved in the search instead

and— involved in the search instead and ne— involved in the search instead and the family— involved in the search instead and the family of— involved in the search instead and the family of the british billionaire— and the family of the british billionaire and— and the family of the british billionaire and explorer hamish h..d..g,_ billionaire and explorer hamish needing, nne-e— billionaire and explorer hamish harding, who's on— billionaire and explorer hamish harding, who's on board, say nney— harding, who's on board, say nney neve— harding, who's on board, say they have great— harding, who's on board, say they have great faith and trust in ne— they have great faith and trust in the rescue— they have great faith and trust in the rescue effort. captain nne— in the rescue effort. captain jamie frederick— in the rescue effort. captain jamie frederick from the us coastguard— jamie frederick from the us coastguard said— jamie frederick from the us coastguard said a short time ago the coastguard said a short time ago nne eeeen— coastguard said a short time ago nne eeeen n— coastguard said a short time ago the search is highly complex . the search is highly complex. us the search is highly complex. us end— the search is highly complex. us and canadian— the search is highly complex. us and canadian coastguard air national guard aircraft and the polar prince, which have searched a combined 7600mi2, an area larger than the state of connecticut . these search connecticut. these search efforts have focussed on both surface with a c—130 aircraft searching by sight and with radar and subsurface, with p—s aircraft that were able to drop and monitor sonar buoys to date , those search efforts have not yielded any results. we know there's about there's about 40 hours of breathable air left . hours of breathable air left. well, here in the uk , nicola well, here in the uk, nicola sturgeon has been speaking out on her first return to the scottish parliament at holyrood since her arrest at the former first minister of scotland told

reporters she's absolutely certain she's done nothing wrong. that's after she was arrested— wrong. that's after she was arrested and— 3 that's after she was arrested and released without energe— arrested and released without charge following a police investigation— charge following a police investigation into snp finances . ne— investigation into snp finances . ne sturgeon— investigation into snp finances . ms sturgeon would not say nnenner— . ms sturgeon would not say nnennen ene— . ms sturgeon would not say whether she should stand down non— whether she should stand down from nne— whether she should stand down from nne party-— whether she should stand down from nne neny. a— whether she should stand down from the party. a trial date has been— from the party. a trial date has been sen— from the party. a trial date has been set ner— from the party. a trial date has been set for january the 12th for nne— been set for january the 12th for nne nan— been set for january the 12th for the man accused of murdering nnnee— for the man accused of murdering nnnee people— for the man accused of murdering nnnee people one— for the man accused of murdering three people and attempting to kill three people and attempting to nu nnee— three people and attempting to kill three others— three people and attempting to kill three others in nottingham toen— kill three others in nottingham teen ween. — kill three others in nottingham last week. valdo_ kill three others in nottingham last week. valdo kalakaua will em...— last week. valdo kalakaua will enter nn— last week. valdo kalakaua will enter his pleas— last week. valdo kalakaua will enter his pleas in— last week. valdo kalakaua will enter his pleas in september for he enter his pleas in september for ne appeared— enter his pleas in september for ne appeared on— enter his pleas in september for he appeared at nottingham crown conn— he appeared at nottingham crown coon noon,— he appeared at nottingham crown court today, charged with murdering— court today, charged with murdering 19— court today, charged with murdering 19 year old students. nornony— murdering 19 year old students. barnaby webber_ murdering 19 year old students. barnaby webber and grace o-nouey. — barnaby webber and grace o'malley. kumar as well as 65 year— o'malley. kumar as well as 65 year old— o'malley. kumar as well as 65 year old caretaker— o'malley. kumar as well as 65 year old caretaker ian coates on june— year old caretaker ian coates on june nne— year old caretaker ian coates on june one non— year old caretaker ian coates on june the 13th, the— year old caretaker ian coates on june the 13th, the 31 year old is neo— june the 13th, the 31 year old is also charged— june the 13th, the 31 year old is also charged with attempting to is also charged with attempting no moreo— is also charged with attempting to murder three— is also charged with attempting to murder three pedestrians by driving— to murder three pedestrians by driving on— to murder three pedestrians by driving mr coates— to murder three pedestrians by driving mr coates van at them in the driving mr coates van at them in one ony— driving mr coates van at them in one no eenne— driving mr coates van at them in the city centre ._ driving mr coates van at them in the city centre . a— driving mr coates van at them in the city centre . a trial date the city centre. a trial date noe— the city centre. a trial date nee been— the city centre. a trial date has been set— the city centre. a trial date has been set for- the city centre. a trial date has been set for donald trump's eooeenieo— has been set for donald trump's classified document . s case. classified document. s case. no— classified document. s case. no going— classified document. s case. no going no— classified document. s case. it's going to take— classified document. s case. it's going to take place on august— it's going to take place on august nne— it's going to take place on august the 14th. he faces 37 enninoo— august the 14th. he faces 37 criminal charges— august the 14th. he faces 37 criminal charges of mishandling

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email me and sometimes you say this is a story that you should be covering on gb news or elsewhere. and every now and again there's one that really is again there's one that really is a little bit special . what we a little bit special. what we got overnight was a message that a preacher who i think we could probably quite safely call a hate preacher from bangladesh was coming to the united kingdom . let me show you a little clip of ina abbasi talking about the nine over 11 attacks. is ihra single october. in mar—a—lago islamic nato act . better. islamic nato act. better. molumby. ponme coro it. \o' 0 it molumby. ponme coro lord islamic nato act. better. - molumby. ponme coro lord dannatt moie— molumby. ponme coro lord dannatt noio moie— molumby. ponme coro lord dannatt noio noio io— molumby. ponme coro lord dannatt noio noio io io— molumby. ponme coro lord dannatt mola mola go to dumas inaya . mola mola go to dumas inaya. neu— mola mola go to dumas inaya. neu i— mola mola go to dumas inaya. neu i ininu— mola mola go to dumas inaya. well, i think that— mola mola go to dumas inaya. well, i think that fairly safely inoiiiiee— well, i think that fairly safely inoiiiiee oe— well, i think that fairly safely qualifies as being hate speech. nes— qualifies as being hate speech. ne-s uno— qualifies as being hate speech. ne-s use sni— qualifies as being hate speech. he's also said in— qualifies as being hate speech. he's also said in the— qualifies as being hate speech. he's also said in the past- qualifies as being hate speech. he's also said in the past that anyone that questions the prophet mohammed should be beheaded and yet he's come into

the united kingdom. he's doing several speeches in this country. he's come from bangladesh. isn't it odd that people like laura southern, a canadian conservative, get banned from coming into this country? geert wilders , who was country? geert wilders, who was an elected member of the dutch parliament, gets banned from coming into this country. yet this man is here and to free tour and spread these message . tour and spread these message. tonight, i ask, is the home office asleep at at the wheel? let me know what you think. farage at gb news .com. well i'm joined now by charlie peters our gb news investigates. reporter charlie, this one looks pretty shocking . absolutely. i mean, shocking. absolutely. i mean, we've seen the clip- g ' oily i mean, we've seen the clip there of him ionising— we've seen the clip there of him onieing ine— we've seen the clip there of him praising the 9/11— we've seen the clip there of him praising the 9/11 terrorists, ieeeniini— praising the 9/11 terrorists, describing them as brave lions oni— describing them as brave lions oni going— describing them as brave lions oni going on— describing them as brave lions and going on also— describing them as brave lions and going on also to apply great noise— and going on also to apply great oniee io— and going on also to apply great praise to osama_ and going on also to apply great praise to osama bin laden, eoying— praise to osama bin laden, eoying inn— praise to osama bin laden, saying that his— praise to osama bin laden, saying that his followers are noi— saying that his followers are noi nonny— saying that his followers are noi nonny io— saying that his followers are not worthy to carry his shoes . not worthy to carry his shoes. is not worthy to carry his shoes. is inan— not worthy to carry his shoes. is mg, i— not worthy to carry his shoes. is that, | think— not worthy to carry his shoes. is that, i think as— not worthy to carry his shoes. is that, i think as a standalone comment, should— is that, i think as a standalone comment, should almost certainly bioet— comment, should almost certainly iioeu yon— comment, should almost certainly block you -visiting _ comment, should almost certainly block you visiting britain, block you from visiting britain, eenoiniy— block you from visiting britain, eenoiniy-giving- block you from visiting britain, certainly giving several certainly from giving several ieeinree— certainly from giving several lectures. speaking tonight lectures. he's speaking tonight in birmingham— lectures. he's speaking tonight in birmingham right now, we

ieiieve— in birmingham right now, we ieiieve. nui— in birmingham right now, we believe. but also— in birmingham right now, we believe. but also we have ieoone— believe. but also we have ieoone inoi— believe. but also we have reports that he- believe. but also we have reports that he spoke two days ago— reports that he spoke two days ago . nottingham _ reports that he spoke two days ago nottingham and is due to ago in nottingham and is due to seein— ago in nottingham and is due to speak in— ago in nottingham and is due to speak in london— ago in nottingham and is due to speak in london tomorrow night. so speak in london tomorrow night. so-o— speak in london tomorrow night. so-o eneoung— speak in london tomorrow night. so-a speaking-now. speak in london tomorrow night. so a speaking now . so this is a speaking tour now. no— so this is a speaking tour now. its being— so this is a speaking tour now. it's being hosted— so this is a speaking tour now. it's being hosted by a tv enonnei— it's being hosted by a tv channel called- it's being hosted by a tv channel called ion tv. they're noi— channel called ion tv. they're noi-eoiing- channel called ion tv. they're not-eating the- channel called ion tv. they're not eating the event. not broadcast eating the event. they— not broadcast eating the event. iney—ieguoieil they are an ofcom regulated enonneu— they are an ofcom regulated channel, but— they are an ofcom regulated channel, but they did confirm to gb channel, but they did confirm to in news— channel, but they did confirm to in news over— channel, but they did confirm to gb news over the— channel, but they did confirm to gb news over the phone that he nonii— gb news over the phone that he noui oe— gb news over the phone that he would be speaking— gb news over the phone that he would be speaking tonight when we would be speaking tonight when ne oni— would be speaking tonight when we poi inen— would be speaking tonight when we put them the— would be speaking tonight when we put them the comments to them saying,— we put them the comments to them saying—oi- saying, what do you make of ineee— saying, what do you make of these comments— saying, what do you make of these comments here are the comments made— these comments here are the comments made such describing comments made such as describing the comments made such as describing ine—ieoien- the queen's young leaders oiognnne— the queen's young leaders programme evil and describing programme as evil and describing annoii— programme as evil and describing ennui-.— programme as evil and describing agmgg-, o— programme as evil and describing ahmadi , a persecuted ahmadi muslims, a persecuted seei— ahmadi muslims, a persecuted eeei niinin— ahmadi muslims, a persecuted sect within the _ ahmadi muslims, a persecuted sect within the islamic faith as noni— sect within the islamic faith as noiii nno — sect within the islamic faith as kafir who need— sect within the islamic faith as kafir who need to _ sect within the islamic faith as kafir who need to be beheaded. so kafir who need to be beheaded. so enemie— kafir who need to be beheaded. so extreme comments . we put it so extreme comments. we put it to so extreme comments. we put it io inn— so extreme comments. we put it io inie eye— so extreme comments. we put it io inie eye on— so extreme comments. we put it to this eye on tv— so extreme comments. we put it to this eye on tv channel. they eoii— to this eye on tv channel. they eoii iney— to this eye on tv channel. they said they weren't— to this eye on tv channel. they said they weren't aware of them, saying— said they weren't aware of them, eoying inoi— said they weren't aware of them, eoying inoi ne— said they weren't aware of them, saying that he was— said they weren't aware of them, saying that he was an extremely ooouoi— saying that he was an extremely popular preacher.— saying that he was an extremely popular preacher. but indeed, if we ioouei— popular preacher. but indeed, if we ioouei-wo,— popular preacher. but indeed, if we looked-up, we- popular preacher. but indeed, if we looked up, we found we looked him up, we found oieniy— we looked him up, we found plenty-iyou're_ we looked him up, we found plenty-iyou're 6- we looked him up, we found plenty. you're a channel plenty. if you're a tv channel wiin— plenty. if you're a tv channel wiin o— plenty. if you're a tv channel wiin o ony— plenty. if you're a tv channel with a sky channel and you've got with a sky channel and you've goi inie— with a sky channel and you've goi inie guy— with a sky channel and you've got this guy coming as your guest— got this guy coming as your guest, wny— got this guy coming as your guest, why wouldn't you broadcast? _ guest, why wouldn't you broadcast? “4115 3: i guest, why wouldn't you- broadcast? yes, indeed. imean, broadcast? yes, indeed. i mean, we spoke— broadcast? yes, indeed. i mean, we spoke-ine— broadcast? yes, indeed. i mean, we spoke-the venue- broadcast? yes, indeed. i mean, we spokelthe venue as- broadcast? “4115 3: i mean, we spoke the venue as well. we spoke to the venue as well. we we spoke to the venue as well. we eonioeiei— we spoke to the venue as well. we contacted the— we spoke to the venue as well. we contacted the in we contacted the venue in niiningnon.— we contacted the venue in birmingham. that's hosting mr aiioei— birmingham. that's hosting mr aiioei-iney- birmingham. that's hosting mr abbasi-they also- abbasi tonight. they also eioinei— abbasi tonight. they also claimtcomments and actually

of his comments and actually ioii— of his comments and actually ioii we— of his comments and actually ioii we inoi— of his comments and actually told us that he— of his comments and actually told us that he was putting on a uni— told us that he was putting on a uni neeeoeg— told us that he was putting on a kind message to— told us that he was putting on a kind message to introduce the new— kind message to introduce the next generation _ kind message to introduce the next generation of islamic iouoweie— next generation of islamic followers into _ next generation of islamic followers into his kind rhetoric oneoi— followers into his kind rhetoric oneoi oi— followers into his kind rhetoric ahead of certain— followers into his kind rhetoric ahead of certain muslim holidays . wow,— ahead of certain muslim holidays . wow, oi— ahead of certain muslim holidays . now, of course,— ahead of certain muslim holidays . now, of course, what we've neari— . now, of course, what we've heard certainly— . now, of course, what we've heard certainly does not ieoueoie— heard certainly does not ieoiieoie o— heard certainly does not replicate a message of kindness. i replicate a message of kindness. i neniionei— replicate a message of kindness. i mentioned laura— replicate a message of kindness. i mentioned laura southern, the conoiion— i mentioned laura southern, the canadian conservative. i neniionei— canadian conservative. i mentioned geert- canadian conservative. i mentioned geert wilders, very controversial, but an elected member of the dutch parliament. and when many members in the european parliament aren't as well , i've european parliament aren't as well, i've asked european parliament aren't as well , i've asked the european parliament aren't as well, i've asked the question of our audience is the home office asleep at the wheel? could it be they don't know about this man? or is it more likely they're just turning a blind eye? in recent years, they have g 3 , in recent years, they have banned ieionieie— recent years, they have banned islamists from _ recent years, they have banned islamists from arriving. theresa mav— islamists from arriving. theresa uoy wniei— islamists from arriving. theresa uoy wniei nei— islamists from arriving. theresa may under her premiership, we zoni— may under her premiership, we saw zakir naik_ may under her premiership, we saw zakir naik was blocked . he's saw zakir naik was blocked. he's a saw zakir naik was blocked. he's o ne— saw zakir naik was blocked. he's o ne woe— saw zakir naik was blocked. he's o ne o— saw zakir naik was blocked. he's a he was a scholar— saw zakir naik was blocked. he's a he was a scholar ,_ saw zakir naik was blocked. he's a he was a scholar , but also a he was a scholar, but also a nne— a he was a scholar, but also a noie oieoenen— a he was a scholar, but also a hate preacher. and we also had none— hate preacher. and we also had another scholar— hate preacher. and we also had another scholar blocked in 2021 from— another scholar blocked in 2021 from owning— another scholar blocked in 2021 from arriving from _ another scholar blocked in 2021 from arriving from qatar , from from arriving from qatar, from flying— from arriving from qatar, from iiying non — from arriving from qatar, from flying from doha.— from arriving from qatar, from flying from doha. so we do know inn— flying from doha. so we do know we ine— flying from doha. so we do know that the home— flying from doha. so we do know that the home office has in ieeeni— that the home office has in ieeeni yeoie— that the home office has in recent years made these steps

for niieoi— recent years made these steps for radical islamists in poniewion — for radical islamists in particular. but clearly there are so many of— particular. but clearly there are so many of these of these eoeoueie— are so many of these of these eoeoueie inn— are so many of these of these speakers that the _ are so many of these of these speakers that the britain has noi— speakers that the britain has noi io— speakers that the britain has had to block— speakers that the britain has had to block-the- speakers that the britain has had to block the last had to block over the last ieeoie— had to block over the last ieeoie oi— had to block over the last decade or so— had to block over the last decade or so ,_ had to block over the last decade or so , that it must be decade or so, that it must be a enwggie. — decade or so, that it must be a enwggie. weu— decade or so, that it must be a struggle. well, let's be let's for-oe— struggle. well, let's be let's for-be generous- struggle. well, let's be let's for be generous the struggle. well, let's be let's- for-be generous-the home for once be generous to the home office. — for once be generous to the home office. lean— for once be generous to the home office. imean, it's— for once be generous to the home office. imean, it's always- office. i mean, it's always a first on this program. and have we written to them, charlie? are we written to them, charlie? are we for answers very we looking for answers very quickly from them? they gave a very statement to that very brief statement to say that extremism in our extremism has no place in our society, adding that work society, adding that we work closely enforcement and closely with law enforcement and local communities and international partners to tackle groups and individuals who sow division and hatred. it was a very brief response,- 3 , a“: 3 it was a very brief response, yes. and iii— very brief response, yes. and iii noi— very brief response, yes. and did not address— very brief response, yes. and did not address any of the individual— did not address any of the individual comments that dr. aiiaei— individual comments that dr. aiiaei nai— individual comments that dr. abbasi had made that we had iwowgni— abbasi had made that we had iwowgni owi— abbasi had made that we had brought out to— abbasi had made that we had brought out to them. well and ion— brought out to them. well and on sweua— brought out to them. well and john suella, the— brought out to them. well and john suella, the mp, labour mp , john suella, the mp, labour mp, has john suella, the mp, labour mp, nae ieen— john suella, the mp, labour mp, nae been very— john suella, the mp, labour mp, has been very outspoken on this. he wanie— has been very outspoken on this. he wanie io— has been very outspoken on this. he wants to know— has been very outspoken on this. he wants to know why, why the home — he wants to know why, why the home office — he wants to know why, why the home office missed how home office has missed it. how can-situations- home office has missed it. how can situations where can we have situations where one— can we have situations where oinei-nawe- can we have situations where other - have been i other islamists have been iioeuei— other islamists have been blocked extreme other islamists have been- blocked-extreme popular blocked and this extreme popular weaeneie— blocked and this extreme popular oieaeneie-ii— blocked and this extreme popular preacher? it important to preacher? and it is important to noie— preacher? and it is important to noie-weaenei- preacher? and it is important to note-preacher is- note that this preacher is eaneneiy— note that this preacher is eaneneiy-.- note that this preacher is- extremely-..bhatti extremely popular. dr. bhatti nae— extremely popular. dr. bhatti nae-eiowie— extremely popular. dr. bhatti has crowds following him in has huge crowds following him in nangiaieen— has huge crowds following him in bangladesh, clearly some bangladesh, and clearly some ewoooneie— bangladesh, and clearly some ewoooneie in— bangladesh, and clearly some supporters in the— bangladesh, and clearly some supporters in the bengali

eonnwniiy— supporters in the bengali community britain, clearly supporters in the bengali commuttot britain, clearly supporters in the bengali commutto putbritain, clearly supporters in the bengali commutto put on:ain, clearly supporters in the bengali commutto put on:ai speaking tour enough to put on a speaking tour .onne-i— enough to put on a speaking tour .-former labour- enough to put on a speaking tour . former labour defence . so this former labour defence ninieiei— . so this former labour defence minister asked,— . so this former labour defence minister asked, you know, are ine— minister asked, you know, are we none— minister asked, you know, are the home office— minister asked, you know, are the home office aware of this or are the home office aware of this or iney— the home office aware of this or iney aeieeo— the home office aware of this or are they asleep at— the home office aware of this or are they asleep at the wheel? ionn — are they asleep at the wheel? on speuai— are they asleep at the wheel? john spellar john— are they asleep at the wheel? john spellar john kelly- are they asleep at the wheel? john spellarjohn kelly and john spellarjohn kelly you and i were all asking the same question. it could be that the home office didn't know, in which case we will forgive them. but we a very but please, when we raise a very specific point by a gb specific point raised by a gb news viewer and thank you for doing that, don't ignore us anymore or we'll be back on this case tomorrow. it's your job in the home office to keep hate preachers out. i expect between now and 7:00 tomorrow for some action to be taken. charlie, thank you very much indeed. now a fortnight ago i said as the newspapers were full of speculation about when would boris's comeback be, i said i thought he was finished and last night, by any measure, after the attempted revolution that he tried to promote within the conservative party ended in humiliation. i think it was only seven members of parliament voting with boris johnson

against the recommendations of the privileges committee. even jacob rees—mogg, who takes over from me in 45 minutes. and i'll ask him why even jacob abstained . and i wonder , is boris now . and i wonder, is boris now finished out as a conservative political figure? well, phillip blonde is a former adviser to david cameron and very much part of that conservative live set. i was pretty bearish about boris's chances a couple of weeks ago . chances a couple of weeks ago. it seemed to me not only philip had he lost the confidence of his own parliamentary party, but when you look at the polling in the country, he's about as popular as prince andrew. yes and he doesn't get much lower inan— and he doesn't get much lower inan inan— and he doesn't get much lower inan inai. in,— and he doesn't get much lower than that. um, look , i think than that. um, look, i think eoneiinnee— than that. um, look, i think sometimes conventional wisdom is igni— sometimes conventional wisdom is iigni ani— sometimes conventional wisdom is right and conventional wisdom wowii— right and conventional wisdom woui nave— right and conventional wisdom would have that— right and conventional wisdom would have that he's finished. i ininu— would have that he's finished. i ininu i— would have that he's finished. i ininu i ininu— would have that he's finished. i think i think he's— would have that he's finished. i think i think he's wildly wnooowiai— think i think he's wildly unpopular in— think i think he's wildly unpopular in the country. but i ininu— unpopular in the country. but i ininu noei— unpopular in the country. but i think most striking is that he's wnooowiai— think most striking is that he's wnpoouai in— think most striking is that he's unpopular in his— think most striking is that he's unpopular in his own parliamentary party. and nobody

will parliamentary party. and nobody wiu io— parliamentary party. and nobody wiu io ie. — parliamentary party. and nobody will to be. and— parliamentary party. and nobody will to be. and he— parliamentary party. and nobody will to be. and he never was oopwiai— will to be. and he never was popular amongst— will to be. and he never was popular amongst the parliamentary. popular amongst the parliamentary . it; g popular amongst the- parliamentary . he wasn't. if popular amongst the— parliamentary . he wasn't. if you parliamentary. he wasn't. if you go back to early 2019, he'd voted twice against mrs. may's deal voted twice against mrs. may's deal, then a third time of asking, voted for it. neither wing of the party seemed to like him in those days. yeah, but people him in those days. yeah, but people iiin-i— him in those days. yeah, but people didn't have- him in those days. yeah, but people didn't have to- " " 3 yeah, but people didn't have to like him to people didn't have to like him io iaeu— people didn't have to like him io iaeu nin— people didn't have to like him to back him because they thought he to back him because they thought ne wae— to back him because they thought ne a— to back him because they thought he was a winner.— to back him because they thought he was a winner. i— to back him because they thought he was a winner. i think though we uwe— he was a winner. i think though we iiwe in— he was a winner. i think though we iiwe in an— he was a winner. i think though we live in an era— he was a winner. i think though we live in an era where things are we live in an era where things oniy— we live in an era where things oniy going— we live in an era where things oniy going io— we live in an era where things are only going to get more ooiaaieei— are only going to get more polarised, more— are only going to get more polarised, more crises. so i ininu— polarised, more crises. so i ininu ii— polarised, more crises. so i think it would— polarised, more crises. so i think it would be a mistake to wnouy— think it would be a mistake to wnouy conni— think it would be a mistake to wholly count him _ think it would be a mistake to wholly count him out. he iaeieauy— wholly count him out. he basically withdrew from the nioeeee— basically withdrew from the woeeee ani — basically withdrew from the process and left to preserve his noiiiieai— process and left to preserve his political capital. _ process and left to preserve his political capital. all so he has an iiea— political capital. all so he has an iiea inai— political capital. all so he has an idea that he's— political capital. all so he has an idea that he's not out. what you— an idea that he's not out. what you mean— an idea that he's not out. what you ne— an idea that he's not out. what you mean he ran— an idea that he's not out. what you mean he ran away? an idea that he's not out. you“? s a" , well, an idea that he's not out. you“? , well, in you mean he ran away? well, in his own he you mean he ran away? well, in nie ne nie— you mean he ran away? well, in his own he his whole— you mean he ran away? well, in his own he his whole kind- , well, in his own he his whole kind of aooeai— his own he his whole kind of aooeai ieeie— his own he his whole kind of appeal rests on— his own he his whole kind of appeal rests on the idea he's aiwaye— appeal rests on the idea he's aiwaye a— appeal rests on the idea he's always a winner— appeal rests on the idea he's always a winner .— appeal rests on the idea he's always a winner . so in his own always a winner. so in his own mind,— always a winner. so in his own mind, ne— always a winner. so in his own mind, he withdrew— always a winner. so in his own mind, he withdrew from the eonieei— mind, he withdrew from the contest that _ mind, he withdrew from the contest that he— mind, he withdrew from the contest that he thought he would ioee— contest that he thought he would lose. remember— contest that he thought he would lose. remember when he went for the lose. remember when he went for we ieaieienin— lose. remember when he went for the leadership gove— lose. remember when he went for the leadership gove was going to win— the leadership gove was going to

ion in— the leadership gove was going to ion an .— the leadership gove was going to iwn no , iiin-i— the leadership gove was going to turn up , didn't he?— the leadership gove was going to turn up, didn't he? pulled out ieeawee— turn up, didn't he? pulled out because-didn't— turn up, didn't he? pulled out because didn't think he could because he didn't think he could so— because he didn't think he could win. so-preserved- because he didn't think he could win. so preserved that that win. so he's preserved that that iiea— win. so he's preserved that that iiea ine— win. so he's preserved that that idea, the interesting thing is inai— idea, the interesting thing is inai none— idea, the interesting thing is that boris lost— idea, the interesting thing is that boris lost because iaeieauy— that boris lost because basically he- that boris lost because basically he he didn't understand- basically he he didn't understand what happened in the zona— understand what happened in the 2019 election.— understand what happened in the 2019 election. he— understand what happened in the 2019 election. he got what kind of experie— 2019 election. he got what kind oi expene cau— 2019 election. he got what kind of experts call the— 2019 election. he got what kind of experts call the upper left gwaiiani— of experts call the upper left quadrant vote.— of experts call the upper left quadrant vote. they wanted to ieii— quadrant vote. they wanted to ieii on— quadrant vote. they wanted to move left on the— quadrant vote. they wanted to move left on the economy. and by inan— move left on the economy. and by mg, i— move left on the economy. and by mg, i ion-i— move left on the economy. and by that, i don't mean— move left on the economy. and by that, i don't mean socialism. i eeewing— that, i don't mean socialism. i mean securing the— that, i don't mean socialism. i mean securing the lives of working— mean securing the lives of working class— mean securing the lives of working class people, of people wno— working class people, of people wno ae— working class people, of people who are below— working class people, of people who are below the— working class people, of people who are below the median wage, ineii— who are below the median wage, ineii iiwee— who are below the median wage, their lives, their— who are below the median wage, their lives, their hopes, their economic aspirations, working eiaee— economic aspirations, working eiaee nexu— economic aspirations, working class brexit voters as well. and ineie— class brexit voters as well. and ineie wee— class brexit voters as well. and there were people— class brexit voters as well. and there were people who liked none— there were people who liked none wno— there were people who liked boris who weren't even in favour of nexu— boris who weren't even in favour of nieaii ani— boris who weren't even in favour of brexit and also— boris who weren't even in favour of brexit and also wanted to nai— of brexit and also wanted to move hard right— of brexit and also wanted to move hard right culturally, so inai— move hard right culturally, so inai we— move hard right culturally, so that we didn't— move hard right culturally, so that we didn't go for kind of eeiiiee— that we didn't go for kind of eeiiiee .— that we didn't go for kind of selfies , identification of women selfies, identification of women as selfies, identification of women ae ani wee— selfies, identification of women as men and vice versa. the noniie— as men and vice versa. the wowiie ie— as men and vice versa. the wowiie ie ne— as men and vice versa. the trouble is he couldn't deliver eiinen— trouble is he couldn't deliver eiinen ani— trouble is he couldn't deliver either. and that's largely ieeawee— either. and that's largely because his— either. and that's largely because his parliamentary party remains conventional 1980s

thatcherite_ remains conventional 1980s thatcherite liberals . they're thatcherite liberals. they're ioin— thatcherite liberals. they're both economically liberal and eoeiauy— both economically liberal and socially liberal. _ both economically liberal and socially liberal. his constituent- socially liberal. his constituent c wanted a post iiieiai— constituent c wanted a post liberal offer— constituent c wanted a post liberal offer economically and eoeiauy— liberal offer economically and eoeiauy .— liberal offer economically and eoeiauy , ani— liberal offer economically and socially , and he— liberal offer economically and socially , and he couldn't socially, and he couldn't ieiiwei— socially, and he couldn't deliver it.— socially, and he couldn't deliver it. if— socially, and he couldn't deliver it. if you look in the endi— deliver it. if you look in the eni, wnai— deliver it. if you look in the end, what levelling up is on offer— end, what levelling up is on offer .— end, what levelling up is on offer, iie— end, what levelling up is on offer , it's not— end, what levelling up is on offer , it's not even equal to offer, it's not even equal to ine— offer, it's not even equal to we annowni— offer, it's not even equal to the amount that's spent on managing— the amount that's spent on managing migration. i mean, inun— managing migration. i mean, nniiip. i— managing migration. i mean, eniiip. i know— managing migration. i mean, philip, i know his constituency . i know the red wall. they all voted ukip before. these were the people , a couple of million the people, a couple of million of them that had left labour, voted ukip voted brexit party voted ukip voted brexit party voted for boris. they now feel incredibly let down by him and by the conservative party. well they've been let down by a by generations. we they've been let down by a by generations . we have generations. we have structurally- generations. we have structurally we - git; we have structurally we on the left generations. we have- structurally we on the left and the structurally we on the left and we igni— structurally we on the left and the right abandoned ordinary oeonie— the right abandoned ordinary people because— the right abandoned ordinary people because the world worked for we — people because the world worked for ine appea— people because the world worked for the upper middle class and it for the upper middle class and ii iiin-i— for the upper middle class and it didn't work— for the upper middle class and it didn't work for— for the upper middle class and it didn't work for ordinary working— it didn't work for ordinary working people. well, it used to be working people. well, it used to ie ine— working people. well, it used to ie we aee— working people. well, it used to be the case that— working people. well, it used to be the case that people could secure a home,— be the case that people could secure a home, a— be the case that people could secure a home, a family life and eon— secure a home, a family life and eon oi—

secure a home, a family life and some sort of future— secure a home, a family life and some sort of future with an oiiinany— some sort of future with an oiiinany wage. — some sort of future with an ordinary wage. we can't do that ani— ordinary wage. we can't do that ani see— ordinary wage. we can't do that now. and see a— ordinary wage. we can't do that now. and see a gp— ordinary wage. we can't do that now. ' 3 c157” fi"i3 ordinary wage. we can't do that now. ' 3 [13 f3 3 now. and see a gp and expect their kids to get on a housing well. the conservatives don't get— well. the conservatives don't gei ie— well. the conservatives don't gei ie ine— well. the conservatives don't get is the state— well. the conservatives don't get is the state has- the conservatives don't get is the state has to work for oiiinany— get is the state has to work for oiiinany oeopie— get is the state has to work for ordinary people because that's all ordinary people because that's au iney-we— ordinary people because that's au iney-we goi— ordinary people because that's all they've got and what we have now since 2010— all they've got and what we have now since 2010 is— all they've got and what we have now since 2010 is a— all they've got and what we have now since 2010 is a completely iyeiwneiionai— now since 2010 is a completely dysfunctional state that doesn't work— dysfunctional state that doesn't work on— dysfunctional state that doesn't work on crime— dysfunctional state that doesn't work on crime ,_ dysfunctional state that doesn't work on crime , doesn't work on work on crime, doesn't work on neaun— work on crime, doesn't work on health, doesn't— work on crime, doesn't work on health, doesn't really work on eiweaiion— health, doesn't really work on education, and— health, doesn't really work on education, and it— health, doesn't really work on education, and it doesn't work. ani— education, and it doesn't work. ani iie— education, and it doesn't work. ani ii-e okay— education, and it doesn't work. and it's okay if— education, and it doesn't work. and it's okay if you've got money— and it's okay if you've got noney ani— and it's okay if you've got money and wealth , but it's not money and wealth, but it's not if you— money and wealth, but it's not i you ion-i.— money and wealth, but it's not if you don't. now— money and wealth, but it's not if you don't. now here's where i if you don't. now here's where i if none— if you don't. now here's where i if boris because— if you don't. now here's where i if boris because boris remained a eoeiai— if boris because boris remained a social liberal— if boris because boris remained a social liberal and i think he niei— a social liberal and i think he niei io— a social liberal and i think he tried to turn— a social liberal and i think he tried to turn the— a social liberal and i think he tried to turn the party towards neining— tried to turn the party towards helping inie— tried to turn the party towards helping this constituency, but the parliamentary party isn't ineie— the parliamentary party isn't ineie .— the parliamentary party isn't ineie . ne— the parliamentary party isn't there . he could— the parliamentary party isn't there . he could run as an there. he could run as an inewgeni— there. he could run as an inewgeni .— there. he could run as an insurgent. it— there. he could run as an insurgent . it we could see insurgent. it we could see a eiiwaiion— insurgent. it we could see a situation where— insurgent. it we could see a situation where the conservative party— situation where the conservative iany ioeee— situation where the conservative party loses badly— situation where the conservative party loses badly and there ien-i— party loses badly and there ien-i an— party loses badly and there isn't an obvious— party loses badly and there isn't an obvious leader they eowii— isn't an obvious leader they could become.— isn't an obvious leader they could become. if- isn't an obvious leader they could become. if you forgive me, iie— could become. if you forgive me, iiie inan— could become. if you forgive me, like 19th century— could become. if you forgive me, like 19th century whigs , where like 19th century whigs, where noioiy— like 19th century whigs, where noioiy wiu— like 19th century whigs, where nobody will vote _ like 19th century whigs, where nobody will vote for them ieeawee— nobody will vote for them because the _ nobody will vote for them because the offer that people ieieei— because the offer that people ieieei wae— because the offer that people reject was the _ because the offer that people reject was the offer of liz ioee— reject was the offer of liz iwee ine — reject was the offer of liz truss, the standard kind of

conventional— truss, the standard kind of conventional tory 1980s offer. inai-e— conventional tory 1980s offer. inai-e iiie — conventional tory 1980s offer. that's like 5%_ conventional tory 1980s offer. that's like 5% of— conventional tory 1980s offer. that's like 5% of the country. ine— that's like 5% of the country. ine gany— that's like 5% of the country. ine pany ie— that's like 5% of the country. the party is likely to congregate- the party is likely to congregate around that. and so inen— congregate around that. and so inen yon— congregate around that. and so inen yow eee— congregate around that. and so then you see the— congregate around that. and so then you see the possibility of then you see the possibility of we aewe— then you see the possibility of the erasure on— then you see the possibility of the erasure on the right. so i eiiu— the erasure on the right. so i eiiu ininu— the erasure on the right. so i still think it— the erasure on the right. so i still think it would be a nieiaue— still think it would be a mistake to— still think it would be a mistake to count him out on the igni— mistake to count him out on the fight, ini— mistake to count him out on the an, in in— mistake to count him out on the right, but i'm counting him out in ine— right, but i'm counting him out in the conservative party. i wini— in the conservative party. i think i— in the conservative party. i think. i think— in the conservative party. i think that's right. but think. i think that's right. but ani— think. i think that's right. but ani io— think. i think that's right. but ani io ne— think. i think that's right. but and to me, philip,— think. i think that's right. but and to me, philip, i- i think that's right. but and to me, philip, i was ininung— and to me, philip, i was thinking about this. " thinking about this. i mean, he nigni— thinking about this. i mean, he nigni even— thinking about this. i mean, he might even fancy his chances in london. i mean, the tories have a short list of three to take on sadiq khan . not one of them is a sadiq khan. not one of them is a household name , and none of them household name, and none of them are be a household are likely to be a household name time election name by the time the election happens. london is an opportunity and then i thought actually boris has one big political legacy . it's that we political legacy. it's that we left european union whilst left the european union whilst he minister. i think he was prime minister. i think his future is outside, not inside the tory party, but the future of the tory party might not be that good, to be honest . not be that good, to be honest. if labour are elected and if labour are; elected and bring if labour are elected and bring in oiooonionai— if labour are elected and bring in proportional representation ani— in proportional representation ani ewenyining— in proportional representation and everything changes, then

ewenyining— and everything changes, then everything changes then, then you everything changes then, then yow can— everything changes then, then you nave— everything changes then, then you nave a— everything changes then, then you can have a situation where a enau— you can have a situation where a enaii group— you can have a situation where a enaii giowo oi— you can have a situation where a small group of social and economic liberals don't control the economic liberals don't control we igni— economic liberals don't control ine ngni ani— economic liberals don't control the right and then you could nave— the right and then you could nave a— the right and then you could have a genuinely post—liberal party— have a genuinely post—liberal pany on— have a genuinely post—liberal pany on ine— have a genuinely post—liberal party on the right. have a genuinely post—liberal party on the right . and that i'm party on the right. and that i'm aiiaii— party on the right. and that i'm aiiaii .— party on the right. and that i'm aiiaii , ie— party on the right. and that i'm aiiaii , ie a— party on the right. and that i'm afraid , is a political afraid, is a political opportunity for people like none— opportunity for people like none ani— opportunity for people like boris and if— opportunity for people like boris and if he— opportunity for people like boris and if he can attune the iiageiy— boris and if he can attune the nageiy wiin— boris and if he can attune the tragedy with boris is he's the oniy— tragedy with boris is he's the oniy, aiong— tragedy with boris is he's the only, along with— tragedy with boris is he's the only, along with theresa may, wno— only, along with theresa may, wno nai— only, along with theresa may, wno nai a— only, along with theresa may, who had a similar kind of legacy iegweainei— who had a similar kind of legacy iegweainei io— who had a similar kind of legacy bequeathed to her,— who had a similar kind of legacy bequeathed to her, is he's the oniy— bequeathed to her, is he's the oniy nine— bequeathed to her, is he's the only prime minister who under eiooi— only prime minister who under eiooi inai— only prime minister who under stood that there— only prime minister who under stood that there was a shift neeiei— stood that there was a shift neeiei ani— stood that there was a shift needed and the— stood that there was a shift needed and the tragedy is he eowiin-i— needed and the tragedy is he eowiin-i nau— needed and the tragedy is he couldn't pull it— needed and the tragedy is he couldn't pull it off. he eowiin-i— couldn't pull it off. he couldn't move, say we need to get— couldn't move, say we need to gei ineie. — couldn't move, say we need to gei ineie. ne— couldn't move, say we need to get there. he had— couldn't move, say we need to get there. he had no ability to ieaiiee— get there. he had no ability to ieauee now— get there. he had no ability to realise how to— get there. he had no ability to realise how to get— get there. he had no ability to realise how to get there. “j 3 realise how to get there. did he ieauy— realise how to get there. did he ieauy ieiiewe— realise how to get there. did he really believe in it? you see, this is this to me is interesting. i mean, he did join the brexit campaign i was the brexit campaign and i was very grateful to him because he helped get it over the line. helped us get it over the line. but he ever did he really but did he ever did he really believe it? i don't he believe it? i don't think he ieiiewei— believe it? i don't think he believed . brexit - believe it? i don't think he believed-brexit at- g?’ i don't think he believed brexit at kwasi believed in brexit at kwasi newn— believed in brexit at kwasi niexii. nai— believed in brexit at kwasi brexit. but i— believed in brexit at kwasi brexit. but i do— believed in brexit at kwasi brexit. but i do think he ieiiewei—

brexit. but i do think he believed-the- brexit. but i do think he believed the economic and believed in the economic and iianeniee— believed in the economic and franchise-of- believed in the economic and franchise of ordinary franchise easement of ordinary oeonie— franchise easement of ordinary people ani— franchise easement of ordinary people ani ne— franchise easement of ordinary people and he didn't believe in the people and he didn't believe in we ewuwe— people and he didn't believe in the culture wars— people and he didn't believe in the culture wars .— people and he didn't believe in the culture wars . he was and is the culture wars. he was and is a eoeiai— the culture wars. he was and is a social liberal. _ the culture wars. he was and is a social liberal. he- the culture wars. he was and is a social liberal. it; a social liberal. he is a metropolitan liberal. he's a metropolitan liberal. he's a metropolitan liberal- f“ e he's a metropolitan liberal socialist. he metropolitan liberal socialist. ne ie— metropolitan liberal socialist. no is a— metropolitan liberal socialist. he is a london— metropolitan liberal socialist. he is a london luvvie- metropolitan liberal socialist. he is a london luvvie in- metropolitan liberal socialist. he is a london luvvie in so many ways. when london's odd, isn't it though, because it's also the most socially conservative part of britain. no one ever talks aiowi— of britain. no one ever talks aiowi inie— of britain. no one ever talks about this, but— of britain. no one ever talks about this, but not- “ no one ever talks about this, but not the upper niiiie— about this, but not the upper middle class— about this, but not the upper middle class white no, but in ieine— middle class white no, but in ieine in— middle class white no, but in terms in terms— middle class white no, but in terms in terms of— middle class white no, but in terms in terms of popular anion— terms in terms of popular aeiion ine— terms in terms of popular action, the minor rmt voters are ieiigiowe— action, the minor rmt voters are ieiigiowe ani— action, the minor rmt voters are religious and very— action, the minor rmt voters are religious and very conservative. vee- — religious and very conservative. vee- so— religious and very conservative. yes. so london— religious and very conservative. yes. so london is— religious and very conservative. yes. so london is paradoxically the yes. so london is paradoxically ine noei— yes. so london is paradoxically the most liberal— yes. so london is paradoxically the most liberal and the most eoneenaiiwe— the most liberal and the most conservative place in britain. wean.— conservative place in britain. wean. so— conservative place in britain. wean. so i— conservative place in britain. yeah. so i would— conservative place in britain. yeah. so i would say that the ooianeaiion— yeah. so i would say that the polarisation ,_ yeah. so i would say that the polarisation , the— yeah. so i would say that the polarisation , the fragmentation polarisation, the fragmentation of nniien— polarisation, the fragmentation of british politics— polarisation, the fragmentation of british politics hasn't eioooei— of british politics hasn't eioooei ine— of british politics hasn't stopped the conservative party is stopped the conservative party ie on— stopped the conservative party ie on ine— stopped the conservative party is on the brink— stopped the conservative party is on the brink of— stopped the conservative party is on the brink of a historic iaiiwe— is on the brink of a historic failure because— is on the brink of a historic failure because it cannot deal wiin— failure because it cannot deal wiin eaiiiy— failure because it cannot deal with reality. it— failure because it cannot deal with reality. it remains trapped out with reality. it remains trapped owi in— with reality. it remains trapped owi in in— with reality. it remains trapped owi in in ine— with reality. it remains trapped out in in the park— with reality. it remains trapped out in in the park. with reality. it remains trapped out in in the park . but if we out in in the park. but if we get— out in in the park. but if we gei iaiow— out in in the park. but if we get labour and— out in in the park. but if we get labour and if- out in in the park. but if we get labour and if we get proponionai— get labour and if we get proportional representation, ewenyining— proportional representation, everything changes. yes. well

i'll everything changes. yes. well i-u ieu— everything changes. yes. well i-u ieu yon— everything changes. yes. well i'll tell you what, i might get inwoiwei— i'll tell you what, i might get involved again,— i'll tell you what, i might get involved again, if— i'll tell you what, i might get involved again, if we get proponionai— involved again, if we get proportional representation and it proportional representation and ii wowii— proportional representation and ii woui ie— proportional representation and ii woui ie a— proportional representation and it would be a very, very different— it would be a very, very different world. ' “3 3 different world. and i wonder final thought on that. there are some that think that pr would give us a permanent the daily mail, for example, would give us a permanent centre left majority . at the brexit . and yet looking at the brexit result in a referendum that's not guaranteed at all, is it? i don't think it is guaranteed and i don't think it is guaranteed and i ininu— don't think it is guaranteed and i ininu inai— don't think it is guaranteed and i think that that— don't think it is guaranteed and i think that that we are epiiiiing— i think that that we are splitting down the middle like america— splitting down the middle like anenea .— splitting down the middle like america . yeah,— splitting down the middle like america . yeah, i— splitting down the middle like america . yeah, i was speaking to america. yeah, i was speaking to eoneioiy— america. yeah, i was speaking to eoneioiy wno— america. yeah, i was speaking to somebody who knows american nouiiee— somebody who knows american ooiiiiee very— somebody who knows american politics very well— somebody who knows american politics very well and they rate trump's— politics very well and they rate trump's chances— politics very well and they rate trump's chances against biden as newer— trump's chances against biden as ieiiei inan— trump's chances against biden as better than the— trump's chances against biden as better than the last— trump's chances against biden as better than the last time, which again— better than the last time, which again ie— better than the last time, which again is against— better than the last time, which again is against conventional wieion— again is against conventional wieion. ioou— again is against conventional wisdom. look the situation for oiiinany— wisdom. look the situation for oiiinany peooie— wisdom. look the situation for ordinary people in this country ien-i— ordinary people in this country ien-i going— ordinary people in this country ien-i going io— ordinary people in this country isn't going to get— ordinary people in this country isn't going to get any better. we isn't going to get any better. we nawen-i— isn't going to get any better. we haven't solved the product iiwiiy— we haven't solved the product iiwiiy — we haven't solved the product tivity crisis. so— we haven't solved the product tivity crisis. so therefore , we tivity crisis. so therefore, we ion-i— tivity crisis. so therefore, we ion-i nave— tivity crisis. so therefore, we don't have the— tivity crisis. so therefore, we don't have the money to support oeonie— don't have the money to support oeonie .— don't have the money to support people . ani— don't have the money to support people . and that— don't have the money to support people . and that precedes that people. and that precedes that goee— people. and that precedes that goee iaeu— people. and that precedes that goes back arguably even before the financial— goes back arguably even before the financial crisis, all of our governing— the financial crisis, all of our governing classes have conventional- governing classes have conventional ideas that have iaiiei— conventional ideas that have iaiiei ani— conventional ideas that have failed and will— conventional ideas that have failed and will continue to

iaii. — failed and will continue to fail. therefore,— failed and will continue to fail. therefore, the chances of weak— fail. therefore, the chances of weak in— fail. therefore, the chances of break up fragmenting and entropy are break up fragmenting and entropy very— break up fragmenting and entropy weny neon— break up fragmenting and entropy are very much on— break up fragmenting and entropy are very much on the cards. i agree— are very much on the cards. i agree wiin— are very much on the cards. i agree win you— are very much on the cards. i agree with you, phillip blonde. inani— agree with you, phillip blonde. inani yaw— agree with you, phillip blonde. inani you very— agree with you, phillip blonde. thank you very much- agree with you, phillip blonde. thank you very much indeed. and the earthquake that was brexit. what we're seeing really are still the aftershocks. and i agree with philip blonde. i think in the next five years we could see some very, very major changes. could see some very, very major changes . now, in a moment, we're changes. now, in a moment, we're going to talk mortgages. of course, we are ordinary folk suffering massive squeeze on buy to let because that's now become a disaster. we'll ask in a moment how bad is the mortgage crisis going to get .

news radio. well, it's \ ?f3 well, it's happened. news radio. well, it's happened. awewaiia— news radio. well, it's happened. australia have— news radio. well, it's happened. australia have won— news radio. well, it's happened. australia have won the- \ 3f3 well, it's happened. australia have won the first aenee— australia have won the first aenee ieei— australia have won the first ashes test and— australia have won the first ashes test and they've won it at ins— ashes test and they've won it at me on— ashes test and they've won it at me on ine— ashes test and they've won it at 7:15 on the fifth— ashes test and they've won it at

7:15 on the fifth day of the ieei— 7:15 on the fifth day of the ieei naien — 7:15 on the fifth day of the test match i've— 7:15 on the fifth day of the test match i've a feeling with ioni— test match i've a feeling with iow ieei— test match i've a feeling with four test matches— test match i've a feeling with four test matches to go and iney-u— four test matches to go and iney-u au— four test matches to go and they'll all be— four test matches to go and they'll all be crammed in ieiween— they'll all be crammed in between. now— they'll all be crammed in between. now and the end of july inai— between. now and the end of july inai inie— between. now and the end of july that this could— between. now and the end of july that this could well— between. now and the end of july that this could well be 2005 all again.— that this could well be 2005 all over again. remember that when the over again. remember that when we aenee— over again. remember that when the ashes cricket— over again. remember that when the ashes cricket literally gripped— the ashes cricket literally gripped ine — the ashes cricket literally gripped the country and this is an amazing— gripped the country and this is an amazing contest between two ieane— an amazing contest between two ieane inai— an amazing contest between two teams that are— an amazing contest between two teams that are very equally naienei. — teams that are very equally matched. yes,— teams that are very equally matched. yes, i'm a bit gutted inai— matched. yes, i'm a bit gutted that australia— matched. yes, i'm a bit gutted that australia won what i inowgni— that australia won what i inowgni we— that australia won what i thought we probably would, but i'll thought we probably would, but i-u ieu— thought we probably would, but i-u ieu yon— thought we probably would, but i'll tell you what— thought we probably would, but i'll tell you what lord's next week— i'll tell you what lord's next week ie— i'll tell you what lord's next week ie going— i'll tell you what lord's next week is going to— i'll tell you what lord's next week is going to be absolutely epic— week is going to be absolutely enie ani— week is going to be absolutely epic and luckily— week is going to be absolutely epic and luckily for me, i'll be ineie— epic and luckily for me, i'll be ineie .— epic and luckily for me, i'll be ineie . wow,— epic and luckily for me, i'll be ineie . wow, i— epic and luckily for me, i'll be there . now, i asked you in the there. now, i asked you in the igni— there. now, i asked you in the iigni oi— there. now, i asked you in the iigni of awe— there. now, i asked you in the light of this hate— there. now, i asked you in the light of this hate preacher inai-e— light of this hate preacher that's come— light of this hate preacher that's come in— light of this hate preacher that's come in from bangladesh , that's come in from bangladesh, is that's come in from bangladesh, ie ine— that's come in from bangladesh, ie we none— that's come in from bangladesh, is the home office— that's come in from bangladesh, is the home office asleep at the wneeie— is the home office asleep at the wneeie eone— is the home office asleep at the wheel? some of— is the home office asleep at the wheel? some of your thoughts ? wheel? some of your thoughts? swan— wheel? some of your thoughts? swan eaye — wheel? some of your thoughts? swan eaye no— wheel? some of your thoughts? stuart says, no, not asleep . stuart says, no, not asleep. conniiani— stuart says, no, not asleep. compliant and— stuart says, no, not asleep. compliant and accommodating . one compliant and accommodating. one anoinei— compliant and accommodating. one anoinei eaye— compliant and accommodating. one anoinei eaye — compliant and accommodating. one another says no. that— compliant and accommodating. one another says no. that would imply— another says no. that would inoiy iney— another says no. that would inoiy iney ae— another says no. that would imply they are not meaning to auow— imply they are not meaning to aiiow inie— imply they are not meaning to allow this to— imply they are not meaning to allow this to continue. this inie— allow this to continue. this we ie— allow this to continue. this this is deliberate . goodness this is deliberate. goodness giaeiowe— this is deliberate. goodness giaeiowe ne— this is deliberate. goodness gracious me. kevin says it isn't iiea— gracious me. kevin says it isn't iwei ine— gracious me. kevin says it isn't iwei ine naie— gracious me. kevin says it isn't just the hate preacher is a woiien. — just the hate preacher is a problem. most— just the hate preacher is a problem. most of the attendees wiu— problem. most of the attendees wiu ie— problem. most of the attendees will be extremist,— problem. most of the attendees will be extremist, in their

view— will be extremist, in their io— will be extremist, in their view, to there'll be similar individuals— view, to there'll be similar individuals all— view, to there'll be similar individuals all over the country ani— individuals all over the country ani one— individuals all over the country and one viewer— individuals all over the country and one viewer says, i think iney-ie— and one viewer says, i think iney-ie in— and one viewer says, i think iney-ie in a— and one viewer says, i think they're in a coma- and one viewer says, i think they're in a coma. and one viewer says, i think they're in a coma . well, there they're in a coma. well, there is they're in a coma. well, there ie gieai— they're in a coma. well, there ie gieai wony— they're in a coma. well, there is great worry around these ewiieeie— is great worry around these ewiieeie ani— is great worry around these subjects and i— is great worry around these subjects and i have to say, i ininu— subjects and i have to say, i ininu iney— subjects and i have to say, i think they are— subjects and i have to say, i think they are very much under iwoaieaei— think they are very much under iwoaieaei on— think they are very much under broadcast on the— think they are very much under broadcast on the other so—called nnaineieann— broadcast on the other so—called mainstream channels. now nongagee— mainstream channels. now nongagee ae— mainstream channels. now mortgages are becoming a very , mortgages are becoming a very, very— mortgages are becoming a very, very ieai— mortgages are becoming a very, very real problem— mortgages are becoming a very, very real problem for the first ine— very real problem for the first iine in— very real problem for the first iine in many,— very real problem for the first time in many, many years, those win— time in many, many years, those win a— time in many, many years, those win a nongage— time in many, many years, those with a mortgage are seeing iianaiie— with a mortgage are seeing dramatic increases in their noniniy— dramatic increases in their monthly repayments. there is, of course, an upside— monthly repayments. there is, of course, an upside to this and inai— course, an upside to this and ma ie— course, an upside to this and ma ie inai— course, an upside to this and that is that savers are now geiiing— that is that savers are now geiiing a— that is that savers are now getting a return- that is that savers are now getting a return on their cash money — getting a return on their cash money i— getting a return on their cash noey iininu— getting a return on their cash money. i think what's really naooening— money. i think what's really naooening ie— money. i think what's really happening is we're returning to noinaiiiy— happening is we're returning to noinaiiiy .— happening is we're returning to noinaiiiy . iii— happening is we're returning to normality . re normality is happening is we're returning to normality. re normality is an inieieei— normality. re normality is an interest rate,— normality. re normality is an interest rate, a— normality. re normality is an interest rate, a 3— normality. re normality is an interest rate, a 3 or 4 or 5. we-we— interest rate, a 3 or 4 or 5. we-we ieen— interest rate, a 3 or 4 or 5. we've been through two decades of ainoei— we've been through two decades of almost zero— we've been through two decades of almost zero interest rates . of almost zero interest rates. awkus— of almost zero interest rates. aiuus i— of almost zero interest rates. aukus i don't— of almost zero interest rates. aukus i don't believe that's ieneiiiei— aukus i don't believe that's benefited us— aukus i don't believe that's benefited us one little bit. but now we are where _ benefited us one little bit. but now we are where we are and a lot now we are where we are and a ioi oi— now we are where we are and a ioi oi oeonie— now we are where we are and a ioi oi people ae— now we are where we are and a lot of people are facing very ieai— lot of people are facing very real problems— lot of people are facing very real problems in— lot of people are facing very real problems in the short term. weu— real problems in the short term. weu nen—

real problems in the short term. well, ben beadle— real problems in the short term. well, ben beadle is chief eeewiwei— well, ben beadle is chief executive of— well, ben beadle is chief executive of the national ianiioiie— executive of the national landlords association . and ben, landlords association. and ben, iei-e— landlords association. and ben, iei-e eian— landlords association. and ben, let's start with— landlords association. and ben, let's start with your sector . a let's start with your sector. a lot let's start with your sector. a ioi oi— let's start with your sector. a ioi oi peooie— let's start with your sector. a lot of people over the last few yeaie— lot of people over the last few yeaie nave— lot of people over the last few yeaie nawe goi— lot of people over the last few years have got into the buy to let years have got into the buy to iei nawei— years have got into the buy to let market and— years have got into the buy to let market and now, you know, woui— let market and now, you know, some would argue— let market and now, you know, some would argue they were eoeeuaioie — some would argue they were speculators, but— some would argue they were speculators, but there is now a ieai— speculators, but there is now a ieai woiien— speculators, but there is now a real problem, isn't— speculators, but there is now a real problem, isn't there? neeawee— real problem, isn't there? neeawee ii— real problem, isn't there? because if you - real problem, isn't there? because if you borrowed money to buy because if you borrowed money to iwy a— because if you borrowed money to iwy a nowee— because if you borrowed money to iwy a nowee io— because if you borrowed money to buy a house to let— because if you borrowed money to buy a house to let it— because if you borrowed money to buy a house to let it, you can't wine— buy a house to let it, you can't wiiie oii— buy a house to let it, you can't wiiie oii ine — buy a house to let it, you can't write off the mortgage against the write off the mortgage against ine neone— write off the mortgage against ine .— write off the mortgage against the income . so— write off the mortgage against the income . so what's going to the income. so what's going to nannen— the income. so what's going to naooen e — the income. so what's going to happen ? evening,— the income. so what's going to happen ? “g u 93; the income. so what's going to happen ? “i: u git; happen? evening, nigel. well, you're right. and we've spoken about this on this show before, haven't we? you know, this mortgage problem comes at a monumental time for the sector where we've not only got mortgages to worry about, but we have the ability, the inability to offset our full mortgage interest against our tax returns. we have the threat of regulation. we have the threat of energy. and there will be people, like you said at the outset who are looking across at the they can get at the the rates they can get at the bank thinking, crikey , i'm bank and thinking, crikey, i'm not to be kicked from not going to be kicked from pillar and i'll get

pillar to post and i'll get a quiet life. i might consider that. and that's bad news for everybody. yeah, i think is. everybody. yeah, i think it is. ani— everybody. yeah, i think it is. ani noe— everybody. yeah, i think it is. and more generally,- cue: 3 yeah, i think it is. and more generally, i mean, for inoee—iauen- those people who've taken out nongagee— those people who've taken out nongagee .— those people who've taken out nongagee , uni— those people who've taken out mortgages , kind of, you know, mortgages, kind of, you know, wneeei— mortgages, kind of, you know, wneeei yo-e— mortgages, kind of, you know, unless you're 40— mortgages, kind of, you know, unless you're 40 years old, you can-i— unless you're 40 years old, you cant ieauy— unless you're 40 years old, you can't really remember when nongagee— can't really remember when mortgages were— can't really remember when mortgages were expensive. i now iig— mortgages were expensive. i now big a— mortgages were expensive. i mean, how big a crisis, ben, do you— mean, how big a crisis, ben, do you ininu— mean, how big a crisis, ben, do you ininu we-ie— mean, how big a crisis, ben, do you think we're headed for? wou— you think we're headed for? weu. i— you think we're headed for? well, i think— you think we're headed for? well, i think it's— you think we're headed for? well, i think it's going- you think we're headed for? well, i think it's going to depend what happens in a couple of days time when we're due another review of the base rate. and i think that direction of travel is pretty much well trailed . and the only way is up. trailed. and the only way is up. it feels to coin my favourite 80s classic, but but, but i think the bank of england are suggesting that the rates are going to stay high for some time and that is going to be very problematic because, you know, land lords and property owners don't anywhere else don't really have anywhere else to . we've seen rents that are to go. we've seen rents that are fairly record highs for the past decade since the past ten years, and that's having a devastating impact on not just renters, but also the private rented sector

as a whole, where we don't have enough homes to start with. and it is a real cataclysmic crisis in the making. it is. and yet, you know, ini— in the making. it is. and yet, you know, but i— in the making. it is. and yet, you know, but i made- “ “g g and yet, you know, but i made the “ “3 g and yet, you know, but i made the point eaiiiei— you know, but i made the point eaiiiei inai— you know, but i made the point earlier that actually i think we're we are returning to noinaiiiy— we're we are returning to normality after a two decade aienaiion— normality after a two decade aienaiion .— normality after a two decade aberration , but— normality after a two decade aberration , but that takes aberration, but that takes a nwge— aberration, but that takes a nnge announ— aberration, but that takes a huge amount of— aberration, but that takes a huge amount of adjustment. i aieo— huge amount of adjustment. i aieo wonie— huge amount of adjustment. i also wonder, you— huge amount of adjustment. i also wonder, you know, david cameron, george— also wonder, you know, david cameron, george osborne were neauy— cameron, george osborne were neauy .— cameron, george osborne were neauy , neauy— cameron, george osborne were really , really keen to push , you really, really keen to push, you know,— really, really keen to push, you know, io— really, really keen to push, you know, io gei— really, really keen to push, you know, to get new— really, really keen to push, you know, to get new buyers into the market— know, to get new buyers into the market new— know, to get new buyers into the market new io— know, to get new buyers into the market, help to buy by the big goweinneni— market, help to buy by the big government initiative. people wno— government initiative. people wno iiin-i— government initiative. people who didn't really have the money to who didn't really have the money io ony— who didn't really have the money io iny noneee— who didn't really have the money to buy houses. those were given neu— to buy houses. those were given nein io— to buy houses. those were given some help to do— to buy houses. those were given some help to do it.— to buy houses. those were given some help to do it. and i'm gneeeing— some help to do it. and i'm gneeeing a— some help to do it. and i'm gneeeing a ion— some help to do it. and i'm guessing a lot of- some help to do it. and i'm guessing a lot of those people are guessing a lot of those people going— guessing a lot of those people going io— guessing a lot of those people going io ie— guessing a lot of those people are going to be very seriously iein— are going to be very seriously ieii iiaopei. — are going to be very seriously debt trapped. now / debt trapped. now yeah, i think inane— debt trapped. now yeah, i think that's right. but but it's also i'm pains to stress that bear i'm at pains to stress that bear in testing has in mind that stress testing has beenin in mind that stress testing has been in for the past 6 or 7 years, and that was kind of geared against the crisis such as these. so that people would be able to ride it out. but you're absolutely right. you know, those sort of encouragements around , you know, encouragements around, you know, 0% mortgages and we saw , um, or

0% mortgages and we saw, um, or zero deposit mortgages rather, and we saw a few weeks or so ago those being reintroduced. that doesn't seem to be the best time . what we need to see is actually a resetting of the tax system. we need to make it more beneficial to bring your home to the market and to make sure that people do have the right sort of homes in the right sort of places. and that's also a problem in itself. yeah, but of course,imean, you- “ yeah, but of course, mean, you know, the course, i mean, you know, the neaiiiy— course, i mean, you know, the neaiiiy oi— course, i mean, you know, the reality of this— course, i mean, you know, the reality of this i— course, i mean, you know, the reality of this i mean, i was iauing— reality of this i mean, i was iauing iaei— reality of this i mean, i was talking last night south talking last night in the south iaei— talking last night in the south iaei aion— talking last night in the south east about-huge- talking last night in the south east about huge number of east about the huge number of noee— east about the huge number of houses-built— east about the huge number of houses-built in- east about the huge number of houses built in sussex and houses being built in sussex and ken— houses being built in sussex and ken-nomen— houses being built in sussex and kent-moment. and- houses being built in sussex and kent moment. and now kent at the moment. and now newewaei-i— kent at the moment. and now we've water shortages and we've got water shortages and all we've got water shortages and au ine— we've got water shortages and all the problems— we've got water shortages and all the problems that go along wiin— all the problems that go along wiin inan— all the problems that go along with that. .at_ all the problems that go along with that. at minute with that. and at the minute we're building— with that. and at the minute we're building about 180,000 nonee— we're building about 180,000 nonee a— we're building about 180,000 nonee a yea.— we're building about 180,000 homes a year. it's nowhere near enongn— homes a year. it's nowhere near enongn io— homes a year. it's nowhere near enongn io eaee— homes a year. it's nowhere near enough to ease any— homes a year. it's nowhere near enough to ease any of this oneie— enough to ease any of this ie— enough to ease any of this crisis, is it?— enough to ease any of this crisis, is it? no,— enough to ease any of this crisis, is it? no, it's not. ani— crisis, is it? no, it's not. on iie— crisis, is it? no, it's not. and it's also— crisis, is it? no, it's not. and it's also there- crisis, is it? no, it's not. and it's also there there are different types of crisis because there will be people that are looking at this. nigel and thinking, oh, well, that's good. landlords are selling. that's going to free up homes for time buyers. well we

for first time buyers. well we don't have enough in the don't have enough homes in the private sector anyway. private rented sector anyway. rents record high. rents are a record high. as i said, for the past ten years, we have a crisis of confidence . so have a crisis of confidence. so it's and good it's all well and good to shuffle pack. if you're shuffle the pack. but if you're reducing one sector or robbing peter to pay paul actually that's in nobody's interest because you do need a vibrant private rented sector to turn gen rent into gen buy. yeah final thought. it's very odd . final thought. it's very odd. neie— final thought. it's very odd. here we— final thought. it's very odd. here we are on— final thought. it's very odd. here we are on the verge of the ion— here we are on the verge of the ion naie — here we are on the verge of the 13th rate rise,— here we are on the verge of the 13th rate rise, consecutive rate iee— 13th rate rise, consecutive rate rise i— 13th rate rise, consecutive rate , yei— 13th rate rise, consecutive rate , yei ine— 13th rate rise, consecutive rate rise , yet the eurozone is now in rise, yet the eurozone is now in , ini— rise, yet the eurozone is now in recession , but we're still recession, but we're still overheating _ recession, but we're still overheating with inflation. an wnai— overheating with inflation. an wnai wonii— overheating with inflation. an what would you _ overheating with inflation. an what would you say, ben, to the nann— what would you say, ben, to the bank oi— what would you say, ben, to the bank of england— what would you say, ben, to the bank of england ahead of their neeiinge— bank of england ahead of their meeting? would— bank of england ahead of their meeting? would you say freeze or wonii— meeting? would you say freeze or wonii yon— meeting? would you say freeze or wonii yon eay— meeting? would you say freeze or would you say raise? well i given— would you say raise? well i mean, given the— would you say raise? well i mean, given the direction of nawei— mean, given the direction of nawei ie— mean, given the direction of travel is for— mean, given the direction of travel is for a— mean, given the direction of travel is for a low inflationary environment,— travel is for a low inflationary environment, i— travel is for a low inflationary environment, i don't think that win— environment, i don't think that wnai anyioiy— environment, i don't think that what anybody says is going to waen. — what anybody says is going to waen. i— what anybody says is going to wash. i suspect— what anybody says is going to wash. i suspect the- what anybody says is going to wash. i suspect the interest rates will go up . um, it's rates will go up. um, it's a question of by how much, whether it's 0.2, 5 or 0.5. but i do think the government needs to take action to help renters and

to help homeowners. it's no point calling in mortgage lenders for a talking shop. we need to see hard action and we need to see hard action and we need to see tax breaks as soon as possible . so tax breaks as as possible. so tax breaks as ooooeei— as possible. so tax breaks as ooooeei io— as possible. so tax breaks as opposed to bailouts?- so tax breaks as opposed to bailouts? yeah aieoinieiy. — opposed to bailouts? yeah absolutely. 3 “ opposed to bailouts? yeah- absolutely. because bear in mind , george osborne changed these tax breaks for landlords a few years ago , and this is years ago, and this is exacerbating the crisis. it's not a giveaway. it's simply being able to offset your legitimate business expense off your income . simple. ben beadle your income. simple. ben beadle i get it. otherwise, it's like paying— i get it. otherwise, it's like paying corporation- 33; g otherwise, it's like paying corporation tax on the goee— paying corporation tax on the gioee income— paying corporation tax on the gross income of— paying corporation tax on the gross income of a company and not gross income of a company and noi ine— gross income of a company and noi ine nei— gross income of a company and not the net profit.— gross income of a company and not the net profit. i get it. ioe— not the net profit. i get it. no inani— not the net profit. i get it. 100. thank you- not the net profit. i get it. 100. thank you forjoining me, 100. thank you for joining me, ioue. — 100. thank you for joining me, ioue. ine— 100. thank you for joining me, folks. the housing crisis will get— folks. the housing crisis will gei oee— folks. the housing crisis will gei in— folks. the housing crisis will get worse, i'm afraid. now in a nonenn— get worse, i'm afraid. now in a nonenn inie— get worse, i'm afraid. now in a moment. this is— get worse, i'm afraid. now in a moment. this is extra ordinary innin— moment. this is extra ordinary onwen oi— moment. this is extra ordinary church of england— moment. this is extra ordinary church of england vicars want to pay church of england vicars want to gay iee— church of england vicars want to gay .— church of england vicars want to gay . i— church of england vicars want to pay rise . i wonder,— church of england vicars want to pay rise . i wonder, could they pay rise. i wonder, could they ie— pay rise. i wonder, could they even be threatening a strike? coni— even be threatening a strike? conii inie— even be threatening a strike? could this be— even be threatening a strike? could this be the next strike anioni— could this be the next strike action? could— could this be the next strike action? could vicars be going on— action? could vicars be going on on— action? could vicars be going out on strike?— action? could vicars be going out on strike? would examine all of out on strike? would examine all oi inan— out on strike? would examine all oi inai in— out on strike? would examine all oi inai in inei— out on strike? would examine all of that in just a— out on strike? would examine all

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newe. — sunday from 9:00 only on gb news. choose— sunday from 9:00 only on gb news. choose the— sunday from 9:00 only on gb news. choose the people's cnannei.— news. choose the people's channel. britain's news . channel channel. britain's news. channel so channel. britain's news. channel so innin— channel. britain's news. channel so cnwen oi— channel. britain's news. channel so church of england vicars are ienaniing— so church of england vicars are ienaniing a— so church of england vicars are ienaniing a gay— so church of england vicars are demanding a pay rise because nney— demanding a pay rise because iney wani— demanding a pay rise because iney wani io— demanding a pay rise because they want to keep up with the eoei— they want to keep up with the eoei oi— they want to keep up with the cost of living— they want to keep up with the cost of living crisis. ninn cost of living crisis. now we near— cost of living crisis. now we hear nne.— cost of living crisis. now we hear this, of course, from all sorts of different sectors and nobody for one moment would pretend that vicars were well paid. i think it is the paid. but i think it is the first time we've actually seen vicars demanding a pay rise . vicars demanding a pay rise. well, joining me to discuss that and much more is doctor ian paul and much more is doctor ian paul, associate minister at saint nick's church in nottingham , and paul, before we nottingham, and paul, before we begin, ian, before we begin , i begin, ian, before we begin, i must just ask about the horrendous atrocities that took place in nottingham just a few days ago , and i wonder , you days ago, and i wonder, you know, has the church been playing an active role there? i hopeit playing an active role there? i hope it has over the course of the last week , yes, extremely the last week, yes, extremely active. i mean, individual eongiegaiione— fit i mean, individual

congregations, diocese leaders as congregations, diocese leaders ae neu— congregations, diocese leaders ae weu aea— congregations, diocese leaders as well, area leaders . so they as well, area leaders. so they neeeni— as well, area leaders. so they were present at— as well, area leaders. so they were present at the vigil the one— were present at the vigil the one nigni— were present at the vigil the other night at— were present at the vigil the other night at the at the square in noiiingnan.— other night at the at the square in nottingham. and we've we've been— in nottingham. and we've we've been noeiing— in nottingham. and we've we've been hosting prayer meetings as neu— been hosting prayer meetings as weu .— been hosting prayer meetings as weu . ani— been hosting prayer meetings as weu . nni oi— been hosting prayer meetings as well . and of course, clergy, well. and of course, clergy, ineiniing— well. and of course, clergy, including the _ well. and of course, clergy, including the chaplains at the nniweneiiy— including the chaplains at the university, have— including the chaplains at the university, have been very aeiiwe— university, have been very aeiiwe in— university, have been very active in praying for people. newe— active in praying for people. we-we-a— active in praying for people. we've a significant we've got a significant student eeeiion— we've got a significant student eeeiion in— we've got a significant student section in our— we've got a significant student section in our congregation and yon— section in our congregation and you know,— section in our congregation and you know, ion— section in our congregation and you know, for students at the nniweneiiy— you know, for students at the university, this _ you know, for students at the university, this is— you know, for students at the university, this is this is eoneining— university, this is this is something really, really enoeung.— something really, really shocking. - i - something really, really shocking. i think shocking. and i think particularly- particularly for young people, you— particularly for young people, you-i— particularly for young people, yon-i gneee— you know, i guess there's a sense in which— you know, i guess there's a sense in which young people ininn— sense in which young people ininn nney-ie— sense in which young people think they're kind of kind of une— think they're kind of kind of live forever. _ think they're kind of kind of live forever.-this- think they're kind of kind of live forever. this kind live forever. and so this kind of live forever. and so this kind oi-ie— live forever. and so this kind oi-ie a— live forever. and so this kind oi-ie a neai— live forever. and so this kind of-is a real-to. live forever. and so this kind. of-is a real-to them of thing is a real shock to them ani— of thing is a real shock to them anilieai— of thing is a real shock to them and real challenge. so, yes, and a real challenge. so, yes, ine— and a real challenge. so, yes, the churches—havel and a real challenge. so, yes,- the churches—have been the churches have been have been nnee— the churches have been have been neie-inning— the churches have been have been neie-niaying oi— the churches have been have been there, praying of lending there, been praying of lending enonon— there, been praying of lending enooon-ieing— there, been praying of lending support being alongside support and being alongside oeonie— support and being alongside people ai— support and being alongside people ai every— support and being alongside people at every yeah. people at every stage. yeah. now tell people at every stage. yeah. now ieu-ianu— people at every stage. yeah. now tell-paul, you're- people at every stage. yeah. now tell-paul, you're all- tell me, dr. paul, you're all ieaee— tell me, dr. paul, you're all because a bunch- tell me, dr. paul, you're all because a bunch left wing because a bunch of left wing niiiianie— because a bunch of left wing militants in— because a bunch of left wing militants in the— because a bunch of left wing militants in the church of ingiani— militants in the church of england and— militants in the church of england and you're threatening enine— england and you're threatening strike-unless— england and you're threatening strike - unless you - england and you're threatening strike unless you get strike action unless you get ineaeei— strike action unless you get ineaeei pay.— strike action unless you get increased pay. _ strike action unless you get increased pay. 3“7 strike action unless you get increased pay. 3 3“7 o" increased pay. is that right? or not? no, increased pay. is that right? or neie no, iie— increased pay. is that right? or not? no, it's not— increased pay. is that right? or not? no, it's not at— increased pay. is that right? or not? no, it's not at all.- increased pay. 3 3“7 o3 “f7 no, it's not at all. and not? no, it's not at all. and i ininu— not? no, it's not at all. and i ininn ae— not? no, it's not at all. and i think, as you'll— not? no, it's not at all. and i think, as you'll be— “f7 no, it's not at all. and i think, as you'll be aware, nigei,— think, as you'll be aware, nigel, pimple— think, as you'll be aware, nigel, people don't go into oniainei— nigel, people don't go into ordained ministry in any of the onwenee— ordained ministry in any of the churches because— ordained ministry in any of the churches because it's well paid, annongn— churches because it's well paid, aiinongn oi— churches because it's well paid, although of course, people say the although of course, people say we ieneiii— although of course, people say the benefit, benefits the benefit, the benefits are

on— the benefit, the benefits are own-woni. — the benefit, the benefits are out-world. you - the benefit, the benefits are out world. you know, out of this world. you know, neonie— out of this world. you know, people-ordained- out of this world. you know, people-ordained they people are ordained because they ieiiewe—ioi-e- people are ordained because they believe god's called believe that's what god's called inen — believe that's what god's called inen io— believe that's what god's called inen io ani— believe that's what god's called them to and they— believe that's what god's called them to and they are called to, in ne— them to and they are called to, in we woiie— them to and they are called to, in the words of— them to and they are called to, in the words of the— them to and they are called to, in the words of the words a in the words of the words of a enon— in the words of the words of a ienon in— in the words of the words of a report in-church- in the words of the words of a report in church from the report in the church from the innin— report in the church from the church—that- report in the church from the church _that was. report in the church from the. church _that was part church of england that was part of church of england that was part oi-zo— church of england that was part oi-zo yeaie— church of england that was part oi-zo yeaie ago.- church of england that was part of 20 years ago. we of actually 20 years ago. we une— of actually 20 years ago. we iiwe ny— of actually 20 years ago. we iiwe by, on— of actually 20 years ago. we live by, on .one- of actually 20 years ago. we live by, on one hand, live by, on the one hand, geneioeiiy— live by, on the one hand, generosity-the - live by, on the one hand, generosity the other hand by generosity and the other hand by eaeniiiee— generosity and the other hand by sacrifice. there— generosity and the other hand by sacrifice. there are— generosity and the other hand by sacrifice. there are of sacrifice. there are plenty of eaeniiiee— sacrifice. there are plenty of sacrifice - have - sacrifice. there are plenty of sacrifice - have to i sacrifice. there are plenty of sacrifice have to have sacrifice that you have to have to sacrifice that you have to have io-non — sacrifice that you have to have io-non know,— sacrifice that you have to have to you know, involved in to make. you know, involved in ninieiny— to make. you know, involved in ninieny. i— to make. you know, involved in ministry. i think— to make. you know, involved in ministry. i think the real iiiiieniiy— ministry. i think the real difficulty that and i'm part difficulty is that and i'm part of difficulty is that and i'm part oi-on— difficulty is that and i'm part of on archbishops of the group on archbishops connoi— of the group on archbishops council—signs. of the group on archbishops. council—signs off council who actually signs off the council who actually signs off nne—eiinenie- council who actually signs off. the—stipends every the decisions on stipends every year.— the decisions on stipends every year-ine— the decisions on stipends every year.-the-problem,- the decisions on stipends every year. the problem, the year. and the real problem, the gneeiione— year. and the real problem, the questions-been— year. and the real problem, the questions been asking is questions i've been asking is why— questions i've been asking is wny-inai— questions i've been asking is wny-inai eieigy- questions i've been asking is why that clergy stipends why is it that clergy stipends nave— why is it that clergy stipends have-gradually- why is it that clergy stipends have gradually drifting have been gradually drifting iowne— have been gradually drifting iowne-noi— have been gradually drifting down?-not been- have been gradually drifting down? not been a sudden down? it's not been a sudden eiange— down? it's not been a sudden eiange-ii-e- down? it's not been a sudden change.-it's not- change. it's not it's not eoneining— change. it's not it's not something i— change. it's not it's not something i suppose the crisis nae— something i suppose the crisis has-precipitated- something i suppose the crisis has precipitated by has been precipitated a bit by wnai-e— has been precipitated a bit by wnai-e-in- has been precipitated a bit by what's-in-lastl has been precipitated a bit byi what's-in-last 12 what's happened in the last 12 none— what's happened in the last 12 nonineleo,— what's happened in the last 12 months-so, but— what's happened in the last 12 months so, but actually over months or so, but actually over ine— months or so, but actually over nne-ien— months or so, but actually over nne-ien-eieigy- the last ten years, clergy eiinenie— the last ten years, clergy stipends have— the last ten years, clergy stipends have gradually been inning— stipends have gradually been drifting-against- stipends have gradually been drifting against pay in drifting down against pay in one— drifting down against pay in one aeae— drifting down against pay in other areas and— drifting down against pay in other areas and a bit other areas and it's a bit complicated— other areas and it's a biti complicated -you other areas and it's a bit- complicated -you know, complicated because, you know, we-ie—ennioyeii complicated because, you know,| we're—employed and we're not actually employed and ineneioie— we're not actually employed and therefore-actually- therefore we don't actually receive l salary. - therefore we don't actually receive salary. are office receive a salary. we are office noiieie— receive a salary. we are office noiiene ani— receive a salary. we are office holders and we— receive a salary. we are office holders and we receive what's eauei— holders and we receive what's eauei a— holders and we receive what's called a stipend.— holders and we receive what's called a stipend. and so the discussions— called a stipend. and so the discussions around the provision the discussions around the provision ine innin— discussions around the provision the church makes— discussions around the provision the church makes for ministers is the church makes for ministers

ie aeinauy— the church makes for ministers is actually quite— the church makes for ministers is actually quite complex. okay so is actually quite complex. okay so no— is actually quite complex. okay so no nneean— is actually quite complex. okay so no threat to _ is actually quite complex. okay so no threat to strike,— is actually quite complex. okay so no threat to strike, just- is actually quite complex. okay so no threat to strike, just a plea that you need to catch up again with perhaps where you were. i wonder, though, you know, given the as i see it, catastrophic leadership of welby and declining congregations on sunday mornings, whether may be pay sunday mornings, whether may be pay should be related to performance . well, yes and no performance. well, yes and no ieaee— performance. well, yes and no ieaee oi— performance. well, yes and no because of course— 3 well, yes and no because of course what that wonii— because of course what that wonii mean— because of course what that would mean is— because of course what that would mean is that pay for eiengy— would mean is that pay for eieigy in— would mean is that pay for eieigy in ne— would mean is that pay for clergy in the suburbs where inene-e— clergy in the suburbs where ineie-e a— clergy in the suburbs where there's a higher— clergy in the suburbs where there's a higher church, attendance— there's a higher church, attendance be less there's a higher church, attendance-be less pay attendance will be less than pay for attendance will be less than pay ion inoee— attendance will be less than pay ion inoee-eiiy— attendance will be less than pay for those-city and- for those in inner city and owner— for those in inner city and outer estate— for those in inner city and outer estate ministry , which outer estate ministry, which naiiiy— outer estate ministry, which naiiiy eee— outer estate ministry, which hardly seems appropriate to me. a hardly seems appropriate to me. n-oi— hardly seems appropriate to me. n-oi ininge— hardly seems appropriate to me. a-of things-are- a couple of things that are ieauy— a couple of things that are really interesting you really interesting and you muni— might, might or might not be aware .these_ might, might or might not be aware these facts. nigel aware of these facts. nigel nnniei— aware of these facts. nigel winner-ie- aware of these facts. nigel number-is that. aware of these facts. nigel number is that there number one fact is that there are more people— number one fact is that there are more people in a church on snniay— are more people in a church on sunday-attending- are more people in a church on sunday attending live sunday than are attending live iooiiau— sunday than are attending live iooiiau-ai— sunday than are attending live football-at every- sunday than are attending live football at every level football matches at every level put football matches at every level on iogeinen — football matches at every level put together. .the - football matches at every level put together. the number put together. and the number ien-i— put together. and the number inn—.— put together. and the number ien-i—. ani- put together. and the number isn't_. and the- put together. and the number. isn't_. and the other isn't even close. and the other ieauy—iaei- isn't even close. and the other really _fact .that i really interesting fact is that peonie— really interesting fact is that more people identify in this eonnny— more people identify in this country christian than then country as christian than then wann— country as christian than then waien—iv- country as christian than then waien—iv ewenyl country as christian than then. watch—tv every week. watch football on tv every week. so, watch football on tv every week. so, in— watch football on tv every week. so, in egg, — watch football on tv every week. so, in fact, the— watch football on tv every week. so, in fact, the christian faith is more important in this eonnny— is more important in this country than— is more important in this country than football is. that's one interesting— country than football is. that's one interesting fact. other one interesting fact. the other inieieeiing— one interesting fact. the other interesting fact— one interesting fact. the other interesting fact that the

interesting fact is that the onion— interesting fact is that the enwen—iel interesting fact is that the l church—is not interesting fact is that the - church—is not in church in this country is not in ieeiine— church in this country is not ini decline—england decline. the church of england is decline. the church of england ielieeune— decline. the church of england ielieeiine .— decline. the church of england isldecline , but— decline. the church of england is decline , but the in is in decline, but the church in ingiani— is in decline, but the church in england overall— is in decline, but the church in england overall is— is in decline, but the church in england overall is actually not in ieeiine— england overall is actually not in decline in— england overall is actually not in decline in many places is growing.— in decline in many places is growing. we— in decline in many places is growing. we see— in decline in many places is growing. we see that in nottingham.— growing. we see that in nottingham. some of the church of nottingham. some of the church oi ingiani— nottingham. some of the church of england churches are growing, eonea— ioil of england churches are growing, eonea— ioi oii some are declining. but a lot of one— some are declining. but a lot of other churches— some are declining. but a lot of other churches are— some are declining. but a lot of other churches are growing and growing— other churches are growing and growing vigorously . yeah. growing quite vigorously. yeah. no, growing quite vigorously. yeah. nil-ni— growing quite vigorously. yeah. wanna-peepin- growing quite vigorously. yeah. noli-n-peopie. yonl no, no, i'm saying people, you know, live, i'm seeing know, where i live, i'm seeing sort evangelical churches sort of evangelical churches being very busy indeed. being very, very busy indeed. well, listen, thank you very neon— well, listen, thank you very much indeed,— well, listen, thank you very much indeed, ian, forjoining us. much indeed, ian, forjoining i— much indeed, ian, forjoining i none— much indeed, ian, forjoining i nope yon— much indeed, ian, forjoining us. i hope you can get a satisfactory— us. i hope you can get a satisfactory resolution. i hope so, satisfactory resolution. i hope ion.— satisfactory resolution. i hope ioo. inani— satisfactory resolution. i hope so, too. thank you, nigel. thank you. now, a bit of good inie— thank you. now, a bit of good news. this cheers— thank you. now, a bit of good news. this cheers me up no end. ine— news. this cheers me up no end. ine us— news. this cheers me up no end. the us president,— news. this cheers me up no end. the us president, joe biden's soni— the us president, joe biden's nnniei— the us president, joe biden's son, hunter biden, is expected to son, hunter biden, is expected io nieai— son, hunter biden, is expected io nieai gniuy— son, hunter biden, is expected to plead guilty to— son, hunter biden, is expected to plead guilty to two misdemeanour tax crimes and ainii— misdemeanour tax crimes and ainii io— misdemeanour tax crimes and admit to illegally possessing a gun— admit to illegally possessing a gun wniie— admit to illegally possessing a gun wniie a— admit to illegally possessing a gun while a drug— admit to illegally possessing a gun while a drug user. after a ine— gun while a drug user. after a iiwe year— gun while a drug user. after a five year investigation, the us anonney— five year investigation, the us anoiney in— five year investigation, the us attorney in delaware has filed panne— attorney in delaware has filed papers indicating a plea agieeneni— papers indicating a plea agreement has been reached . he's agreement has been reached. he's exneeiei— agreement has been reached. he's exneeiei io— agreement has been reached. he's expected to agree— agreement has been reached. he's expected to agree to— agreement has been reached. he's expected to agree to drug neaineni— expected to agree to drug treatment and— expected to agree to drug treatment and monitoring the newne— treatment and monitoring the ieine oi— treatment and monitoring the ieine oi ine— treatment and monitoring the terms of the agreement are iineiy— terms of the agreement are

uneiy io— terms of the agreement are uneiy io keep— terms of the agreement are likely to keep him out of jail. neu— likely to keep him out of jail. weu yee— likely to keep him out of jail. well yes, that's— likely to keep him out of jail. well yes, that's for now . but i well yes, that's for now. but i nave— well yes, that's for now. but i nave a— well yes, that's for now. but i have a feeling,— well yes, that's for now. but i have a feeling, folks, that now we're beginning— have a feeling, folks, that now we're beginning to see the first enaigee— we're beginning to see the first enaigee iaii— we're beginning to see the first charges laid against hunter niien— charges laid against hunter niien nay— charges laid against hunter niien nay ie— charges laid against hunter biden may be if there is a fair ani— biden may be if there is a fair ani iaee— biden may be if there is a fair and free india— biden may be if there is a fair and free india pendant, legal ani— and free india pendant, legal ani iniieiai— and free india pendant, legal and judicial system in america, i'm and judicial system in america, in hoping— and judicial system in america, in hoping inie— and judicial system in america, i'm hoping this is— and judicial system in america, i'm hoping this is the first of many— i'm hoping this is the first of many ne-e— i'm hoping this is the first of many ne-e goi— i'm hoping this is the first of many he's got to— i'm hoping this is the first of many he's got to explain how he nae— many he's got to explain how he nae ieen— many he's got to explain how he has been able— many he's got to explain how he has been able to— many he's got to explain how he has been able to earn millions ani— has been able to earn millions and millions— has been able to earn millions and millions of— has been able to earn millions and millions of dollars from dictatorship— and millions of dollars from dictatorship regimes all over the dictatorship regimes all over we noni— dictatorship regimes all over the world and— dictatorship regimes all over the world and to— dictatorship regimes all over the world and to explain what the world and to explain what the relationship— the world and to explain what the relationship between that ani— the relationship between that income and the— the relationship between that income and the so called big guy,— income and the so called big guy, nie— income and the so called big g.,, nie iainen— income and the so called big guy, his father, joe, is. it is inei— guy, his father, joe, is. it is inei einii— guy, his father, joe, is. it is just stuff hinckley one sided inan— just stuff hinckley one sided inai iie— just stuff hinckley one sided that it's trump— just stuff hinckley one sided that it's trump that faces a oi— that it's trump that faces a mass of legal— that it's trump that faces a mass of legal charges and up wnii— mass of legal charges and up nniii inie— mass of legal charges and up until this moment, the bidens nave— until this moment, the bidens nave goi— until this moment, the bidens nawe goi away— until this moment, the bidens have got away with it scot free. i have got away with it scot free. i nave— have got away with it scot free. i nave ny— have got away with it scot free. i nave my on— have got away with it scot free. i have my own view where the neu— i have my own view where the neai eonnniion— i have my own view where the real corruption lies now , you real corruption lies now, you remember years— real corruption lies now, you remember years ago, ms england eonieeie— remember years ago, ms england eonieeie nee— remember years ago, ms england contest? yes, it— remember years ago, ms england contest? yes, it was— remember years ago, ms england contest? yes, it was all bikinis ani—

contest? yes, it was all bikinis ani ioie— contest? yes, it was all bikinis ani ioie oi— contest? yes, it was all bikinis and lots of skin.— contest? yes, it was all bikinis and lots of skin. but that's not been— and lots of skin. but that's not been ine— and lots of skin. but that's not been the case— and lots of skin. but that's not been the case in— and lots of skin. but that's not been the case in recent years. in— been the case in recent years. in no— been the case in recent years. but now there— been the case in recent years. but now there is— been the case in recent years. but now there is a— been the case in recent years. but now there is a debate that may— but now there is a debate that may ie— but now there is a debate that may be ine— but now there is a debate that may be the bikini— but now there is a debate that may be the bikini comes back to the may be the bikini comes back to we ne— may be the bikini comes back to we we ingiani— may be the bikini comes back to the ms england contest. is that a gooi— the ms england contest. is that a gooi .— the ms england contest. is that a gooi , ioyone— the ms england contest. is that a good , joyous thing? we should a good, joyous thing? we should eeieiwaie— a good, joyous thing? we should eeieiwaie e— a good, joyous thing? we should celebrate ? or— a good, joyous thing? we should celebrate ? or is— a good, joyous thing? we should celebrate ? or is it— a good, joyous thing? we should celebrate ? or is it just once celebrate? or is it just once again— celebrate? or is it just once again returning— celebrate? or is it just once again returning to the objectification of women? all of inan— objectification of women? all of inai in— objectification of women? all of inai in inei— objectification of women? all of inai in inei a— objectification of women? all of that in just a moment

what, decades ago we took it for granni— what, decades ago we took it for gianiei, iiin-i— what, decades ago we took it for granted, didn't we?— what, decades ago we took it for granted, didn't we? you know, niee— granted, didn't we? you know, niee ingiani— granted, didn't we? you know, miss england contests, whatever it miss england contests, whatever ii nae— miss england contests, whatever i au— miss england contests, whatever it was, all these— miss england contests, whatever it was, all these beauty oageanie— it was, all these beauty pageants and- it was, all these beauty pageants and yes, you know, it gine— pageants and yes, you know, it was girls wearing— pageants and yes, you know, it was girls wearing bikinis and ewineniie— was girls wearing bikinis and ewineniie .— was girls wearing bikinis and swimsuits . and— was girls wearing bikinis and swimsuits . and nobody it seemed swimsuits. and nobody it seemed to swimsuits. and nobody it seemed io ne— swimsuits. and nobody it seemed io ne .— swimsuits. and nobody it seemed io ne , nai— swimsuits. and nobody it seemed io ne , nai any— swimsuits. and nobody it seemed to me , had any great problem to me, had any great problem winn— to me, had any great problem win in— to me, had any great problem win ii. in— to me, had any great problem with it. but that— to me, had any great problem with it. but that and maybe page nnee— with it. but that and maybe page iniee oi— with it. but that and maybe page iniee oi ine— with it. but that and maybe page three of the sun— with it. but that and maybe page three of the sun and many other ininge— three of the sun and many other ininge ani— three of the sun and many other things, and we've— three of the sun and many other things, and we've had some annea— things, and we've had some rather different— things, and we've had some rather different views over the course of the— rather different views over the course of the last— rather different views over the course of the last few years, in— course of the last few years, in ie— course of the last few years, in ii-e a— course of the last few years, but it's a debate— course of the last few years, but it's a debate that somehow never, ever goes— but it's a debate that somehow never, ever goes away. whether it's never, ever goes away. whether ii-e ine— never, ever goes away. whether ii-e ine gnii— never, ever goes away. whether it's the grid girls—

never, ever goes away. whether it's the grid girls on formula one— it's the grid girls on formula one on— it's the grid girls on formula one or whatever— it's the grid girls on formula one or whatever it is you know, are one or whatever it is you know, ineee— one or whatever it is you know, are these events— one or whatever it is you know, are these events where women are in iiunie— are these events where women are seen in bikinis, are— are these events where women are seen in bikinis, are these ininge— seen in bikinis, are these ininge we— seen in bikinis, are these things we should celebrate be happy— things we should celebrate be nappy aion— things we should celebrate be happy about, think are joyous , happy about, think are joyous, ains— happy about, think are joyous, news on— happy about, think are joyous, news on ae— happy about, think are joyous, acas or are they— happy about, think are joyous, acas or are they as many would neu— acas or are they as many would ieu we— acas or are they as many would ieii einoiy— acas or are they as many would tell us, simply male objectification of women and poieniiauy— objectification of women and potentially quite abusive. now it's potentially quite abusive. now ii-e a— potentially quite abusive. now ii-e a ieiaie— potentially quite abusive. now it's a debate that's gone on as iong— it's a debate that's gone on as iong ae— it's a debate that's gone on as iong ae i— it's a debate that's gone on as iong ae i can— it's a debate that's gone on as long as i can remember, as long as long as i can remember, as long ae ine— long as i can remember, as long ae i-we iiwei— long as i can remember, as long as i've lived. but— long as i can remember, as long as i've lived. but there is talk inan— as i've lived. but there is talk inai ine— as i've lived. but there is talk that the miss— as i've lived. but there is talk that the miss england contest wiu— that the miss england contest wiu no— that the miss england contest wiu go— that the miss england contest will now go back— that the miss england contest will now go back to the bikini . will now go back to the bikini. neu— will now go back to the bikini. weu ieie— will now go back to the bikini. well, let's start— will now go back to the bikini. well, let's start here with dr. iaena— well, let's start here with dr. pasha mukherjee , nhs doctor and pasha mukherjee, nhs doctor and niee— pasha mukherjee, nhs doctor and niee ingiani— pasha mukherjee, nhs doctor and miss england 2019— pasha mukherjee, nhs doctor and miss england 2019 now faux pas iaena— miss england 2019 now faux pas iaena yon— miss england 2019 now faux pas eaena, yow nave— miss england 2019 now faux pas pasha, you have pretty strong iee— pasha, you have pretty strong inan— pasha, you have pretty strong views that we— pasha, you have pretty strong views that we shouldn't be going baa— views that we shouldn't be going back io— views that we shouldn't be going back to bikinis.— views that we shouldn't be going back to bikinis. why 3 back to bikinis. why i actually inni— back to bikinis. why i actually iiini we— back to bikinis. why i actually think we should be. you back to bikinis. why 3 “

womanhood. even when i panieioaiei— womanhood. even when i participated in— “3 even when i participated in miss england a few participated in miss england a iew yeaie— participated in miss england a iew yeaie ago,— participated in miss england a few years ago, the picture of ne— few years ago, the picture of we gine— few years ago, the picture of the girls that— few years ago, the picture of the girls that were all taking pari— the girls that were all taking nan nae— the girls that were all taking pan very— the girls that were all taking part was very different. and ine— part was very different. and over the years— part was very different. and over the years it's changed so nwen— over the years it's changed so nwen winn— over the years it's changed so much with different body types nine— much with different body types niwe eie— much with different body types plus size women— much with different body types plus size women , women of plus size women, women of iiiieieni— plus size women, women of different heights, different eoowii— different heights, different colour skin,— different heights, different colour skin, and so much iiweneiiy— colour skin, and so much diversity has— colour skin, and so much diversity has come, come through and diversity has come, come through ani we— diversity has come, come through ani we ieauy— diversity has come, come through and we really must— diversity has come, come through and we really must change the iiea— and we really must change the iiea oi— and we really must change the iiea oi wnai— and we really must change the idea of what looks good in a bikini— idea of what looks good in a bikini on— idea of what looks good in a bikini or what— idea of what looks good in a bikini or what looks good in swimwear. and— bikini or what looks good in swimwear. and it's not really aiowi— swimwear. and it's not really aiowi ine— swimwear. and it's not really about the sexualization of women's body,— about the sexualization of women's body, but really what ioiy— women's body, but really what women's body is.— women's body, but really what women's body is. it's more the eoniiienee— women's body is. it's more the confidence element of it and eeieiwaiing— confidence element of it and celebrating women's bodies in all celebrating women's bodies in au ine— celebrating women's bodies in all the shapes— celebrating women's bodies in all the shapes that it comes in. ani— all the shapes that it comes in. on ennui— all the shapes that it comes in. and should we— all the shapes that it comes in. and should we should- all the shapes that it comes in. and should we should we- all the shapes that it comes in. and should we should we whilst we're doing this, be defining what a woman is? well well, here's the thing . i think it's here's the thing. i think it's down here's the thing. i think it's iown io— here's the thing. i think it's iown io ine— here's the thing. i think it's down to the choice.- 3 i think it's down to the choice. and that's wnai— down to the choice. and that's wnai ine — down to the choice. and that's what the competition is about. all what the competition is about. nu ine— what the competition is about. all the different— what the competition is about. all the different rounds in the eonneiiiion— all the different rounds in the competition are— all the different rounds in the competition are by choice. it's noi— competition are by choice. it's noi eoneining— competition are by choice. it's not something that you do not get not something that you do not gei iniowgn— not something that you do not gei iniowgn io— not something that you do not get through to this round if you do get through to this round if you io noi— get through to this round if you io noi nake— get through to this round if you do not take part— get through to this round if you do not take part in this round. ne— do not take part in this round. n-e noi— do not take part in this round. n-e noi une— do not take part in this round. it's not like that— do not take part in this round. it's not like that .— do not take part in this round. it's not like that . the emphasis it's not like that. the emphasis nae— it's not like that. the emphasis nae aiwaye— it's not like that. the emphasis has always been— it's not like that. the emphasis has always been for miss england

and has always been for miss england ani niee— has always been for miss england and miss world— has always been for miss england and miss world on— has always been for miss england and miss world on beauty with a owinoee— and miss world on beauty with a owiooee ani— and miss world on beauty with a purpose and actually it's always been— purpose and actually it's always been .strongest_ purpose and actually it's always been strongest element of been the strongest element of the competition,— been the strongest element of the competition, which is why, i i— the competition, which is why, i i very— the competition, which is why, i mean, i was very surprised when i mean, i was very surprised when i on— mean, i was very surprised when ion nyeeii— mean, i was very surprised when ion nyeeii. i— mean, i was very surprised when iwon myself. i did— mean, i was very surprised when i won myself. i did not think ine— i won myself. i did not think ine oeopie— i won myself. i did not think ine people i— i won myself. i did not think the people i was— i won myself. i did not think the people i was competing with in ne— the people i was competing with in we ion— the people i was competing with even in the top five, looked wew— even in the top five, looked very different— even in the top five, looked very different from me. and the oniy— very different from me. and the oniy ining— very different from me. and the oniy ining i— very different from me. and the oniy ining i nae— very different from me. and the only thing i was holding to only thing i was holding on to i— only thing i was holding on to i gweee— only thing i was holding onto i gweee ny— only thing i was holding on to was, i guess, my beauty with a owinoee— was, i guess, my beauty with a owiooee ani— was, i guess, my beauty with a purpose and said,— was, i guess, my beauty with a purpose and said, okay, well inane— purpose and said, okay, well inai-elweny— purpose and said, okay, well that'slvery that's- purpose and said, okay, well that's very that's a very that's a very that's a very oien— that's a very that's a very modern interpretation of how we wowii— modern interpretation of how we wowii nooee— modern interpretation of how we would choose england would choose miss england eonnanei— would choose miss england eonoaiei io— would choose miss england compared to the 1970s or 1980s. neiena— compared to the 1970s or 1980s. neiena inin— compared to the 1970s or 1980s. helena frith powell— compared to the 1970s or 1980s. helena frith powell author and journalist. yeah i mean, what was wrong ? what was wrong with was wrong? what was wrong with very beautiful girls appearing in bikinis ? i don't think in bikinis? i don't think anyining— in bikinis? i don't think anything was- “ “ 57 i don't think anything was wrong with “ “97 i don't think anything was wrong with it. i i— anything was wrong with it. i mean, i think— anything was wrong with it. i mean, i think we're in agneeneni- mean, i think we're in agreement. i- mean, i think we're in agreement. i think what's wrong ie— agreement. i think what's wrong ie inan— agreement. i think what's wrong now is that women— agreement. i think what's wrong now is that women are the choice is now is that women are the choice ie ieing— now is that women are the choice ie ieing ianen— now is that women are the choice is being taken away.— now is that women are the choice is being taken away. people are eaying— is being taken away. people are eaying, on— is being taken away. people are eaying, on, yow— is being taken away. people are saying, oh, you should not be enwning— saying, oh, you should not be enwning-a- saying, oh, you should not be strutting-a bikini. saying, oh, you should not be strutting a bikini or strutting around in a bikini or a-eoeiwne.— strutting around in a bikini or a-costume. that's- strutting around in a bikini or a costume. that's demeaning a swim costume. that's demeaning .-aie-ieuing- a swim costume. that's demeaning .-are-telling me- . well, why are you telling me wnai-e— . well, why are you telling me what's-meaning- . well, why are you telling me what's meaning for me? i what's the meaning for me? i if i what's the meaning for me? i if i wani— what's the meaning for me? i if i wanilenow— what's the meaning for me? i if i wanilenow ny— what's the meaning for me? i if i want show my self off on i want to show my self off on eiage— i want to show my self off on stage, i— i want to show my self off on eiage, i ininn— i want to show my self off on stage, i think that's my right. ani— stage, i think that's my right. anili— stage, i think that's my right. andlt ininn— stage, i think that's my right. and-i think it's— stage, i think that's my right. and i think it's what's wrong and so i think it's what's wrong

is and so i think it's what's wrong ie iwei— and so i think it's what's wrong ie iwei peonie— and so i think it's what's wrong is just people dictating what we enowii— is just people dictating what we should think. _ is just people dictating what we should think. and— is just people dictating what we should think. ' “3 is just people dictating what we should think. “3 should think. and we, you know, boxing. yeah, boxing. you know, where girls went round the where the girls went round the ring with the, you know, round five and round six and grid girls on formula one. i mean i personally have no problem with any of it, but this is seen somehow to be demeaning to women, objectification of women, the sexualization of women. is it really my theory is that if you go into a beauty competition, you're being judged on the way you look . okay, i on the way you look. okay, i totally on the way you look. okay, i ioiaiiy agree— on the way you look. okay, i totally agree with— iii“ okay, i totally agree with beauty. with a owiooee. — totally agree with beauty. with a owiooee. i— totally agree with beauty. with a purpose. i think that also ie— a purpose. i think that also miss one, they— a purpose. i think that also miss one, they do a very good job— miss one, they do a very good on oi— miss one, they do a very good on oi naung— miss one, they do a very good job of making sure the girls are neu— job of making sure the girls are well—everything. job of making sure the girls are. well—everything. but well rounded and everything. but i well rounded and everything. but i-inai— well rounded and everything. but i-inai ii— well rounded and everything. but i-inai ii-aie- well rounded and everything. but i-that if-are being. i do think that if you are being iwigei— i do think that if you are being iwigei in— i do think that if you are being iwigei in a— i do think that if you are being judged in a beauty pageant, yowe— judged in a beauty pageant, yowe ieing— judged in a beauty pageant, you're being judged your you're being judged on your ioone. — you're being judged on your looks. _ know, i you're being judged on your. looks. _know, your looks. and so, you know, your ioone— looks. and so, you know, your ioone-ineie— looks. and so, you know, your looks there display. looks are there for display. and if looks are there for display. and ii-enioy— looks are there for display. and ii-enioy enowing- looks are there for display. and if enjoy showing off your if you enjoy showing off your ioiy— if you enjoy showing off your ioiy ani— if you enjoy showing off your ioiy ani yow— if you enjoy showing off your body and your looks, i think wnai— body and your looks, i think wnai-ieauy— body and your looks, i think what-really sad- body and your looks, i think what really sad was there what was really sad was there waelgin— what was really sad was there waslgirl called— what was really sad was there was girl called katrina hodge, was a girl called katrina hodge, wno— was a girl called katrina hodge, wno-niee— was a girl called katrina hodge, who miss england, who felt who was miss england, who felt inan— who was miss england, who felt inai-wae— who was miss england, who felt inai-wae ene— who was miss england, who felt that-was she was- who was miss england, who felt that was she was sort of that she was she was sort of iaeieauy— that she was she was sort of basically bullied— that she was she was sort of basically bullied into this campaign— basically bullied into this campaign against showing girls

in ewinning— campaign against showing girls in swimming costumes. and she eaii— in swimming costumes. and she eaii ene— in swimming costumes. and she eaii ene ien— in swimming costumes. and she said she felt that— in swimming costumes. and she said she felt that she was being a nai— said she felt that she was being a bad feminist— said she felt that she was being a bad feminist for— said she felt that she was being a bad feminist for enjoying ieing— a bad feminist for enjoying being on— a bad feminist for enjoying being on stage— a bad feminist for enjoying being on stage in a swimming eoewnei ani— being on stage in a swimming costume. and that's surely which has costume. and that's surely which nae io— costume. and that's surely which nae io ie— costume. and that's surely which nae io ie nae— costume. and that's surely which has to be has to— costume. and that's surely which has to be has to be— costume. and that's surely which has to be has to be ridiculous. yeah.— has to be has to be ridiculous. wean. easin— has to be has to be ridiculous. yeah. pasha, you— has to be has to be ridiculous. yeah. pasha, you know,- has to be has to be ridiculous. yeah. pasha, you know, one of the big rules that's going on in society now and it's going on, particularly sport, is this particularly in sport, is this whole and this and i whole trans issue and this and i sort of on this earlier sort of touched on this earlier , know, you define what , you know, can you define what a is? can a woman have a a woman is? can a woman have a penis? it sounds ludicrous to me. and yet, you know, the leader of the liberal democrats said, obviously, yes , the said, well, obviously, yes, the leader labour party leader of the labour party clearly to clearly doesn't even want to debate question . i mean, debate the question. i mean, would you think that a trans competitor should be allowed in a miss england contest? oh, it's a miss england contest? oh, it's a very political question. what it is, but it is the i3f 3“ what it is, but it is the question of ne— it is, but it is the question of we in.— it is, but it is the question of we iay. in— it is, but it is the question of ine iay. in a— it is, but it is the question of the day. i'm a woman of science ani— the day. i'm a woman of science ani in— the day. i'm a woman of science ani in very— the day. i'm a woman of science ani in very nwen— the day. i'm a woman of science and i'm very much i— the day. i'm a woman of science and i'm very much i very much view— and i'm very much i very much ine— and i'm very much i very much view the world _ and i'm very much i very much view the world in— and i'm very much i very much view the world in the science ani— view the world in the science ani ine — view the world in the science ani ine way— view the world in the science and the way we— view the world in the science and the way we define anything . and the way we define anything. eoing— and the way we define anything. eoing in— and the way we define anything. going in science— and the way we define anything. going in science in— and the way we define anything. going in science in general is by wnai— going in science in general is by what majority— going in science in general is by what majority of offers oaniewian— by what majority of offers particular species have in

common or majority of something has common or majority of something nae in— common or majority of something nae in common— common or majority of something has in common. and i think the inge— has in common. and i think the iaige naioniy— has in common. and i think the large majority of— has in common. and i think the large majority of the population , if large majority of the population , ii yow— large majority of the population , ii yow nae— large majority of the population , ii yow io— large majority of the population , if you was to define it as men ienaie— , if you was to define it as men versus female or— , if you was to define it as men versus female or trans, the naioniy— versus female or trans, the naioniy oi— versus female or trans, the majority of women have a certain nwneni— majority of women have a certain nwnneii oi— majority of women have a certain number of criteria— majority of women have a certain number of criteria that they nave — number of criteria that they nave io — number of criteria that they have to meet— number of criteria that they have to meet to— number of criteria that they have to meet to be classified as a woman, as a female, when nney-ie— a woman, as a female, when iney-ie ieing— a woman, as a female, when they're being defined at very oiwiowe— they're being defined at very obvious what— they're being defined at very obvious what they are, isn't it? wean. — obvious what they are, isn't it? wean. so— obvious what they are, isn't it? wean. so on— obvious what they are, isn't it? yeah. so on that,— obvious what they are, isn't it? yeah. so on that, on that note i nee— yeah. so on that, on that note i nee oi— yeah. so on that, on that note i see. yes of course.— yeah. so on that, on that note i see. yes of course. i— yeah. so on that, on that note i see. yes of course. i understand wew— see. yes of course. i understand weny eieany— see. yes of course. i understand very clearly what— see. yes of course. i understand very clearly what it— see. yes of course. i understand very clearly what it means to be a woman because— very clearly what it means to be a woman because that's my lived epeiene — a woman because that's my lived experience. whereas i think i wowii— experience. whereas i think i wowii une— experience. whereas i think i would like i've— experience. whereas i think i would like i've never been oiwioweiy— would like i've never been obviously in— would like i've never been obviously in shoes of obviously in the shoes of someone who's- obviously in the shoes of someone who's trans, i'm someone who's trans, and i'm iie— someone who's trans, and i'm sure it's-different- sure it's a whole different epenene— sure it's a whole different experience in— sure it's a whole different experience in itself. and i ion-i— experience in itself. and i don't-there - experience in itself. and i don't there needs to be don't think there needs to be any— don't think there needs to be any merging— don't think there needs to be any neiging oi— don't think there needs to be any merging of the categories ieaee— any merging of the categories ieaee ii— any merging of the categories because it is— any merging of the categories because it is a— any merging of the categories because it is a category in iieeii— because it is a category in iieeii .— because it is a category in iieeii . i— because it is a category in itself . i think— because it is a category in itself . i think it's a very itself. i think it's a very different— itself. i think it's a very different experience experiencing difficulties in ieiining— experiencing difficulties in defining which gender you really are defining which gender you really in wnien— defining which gender you really are in, which is— defining which gender you really are in, which is not my lived epeiene — are in, which is not my lived experience. so— are in, which is not my lived experience. so it's difficult to say— experience. so it's difficult to eay inan— experience. so it's difficult to eay inai ny— experience. so it's difficult to say that my womanhood is the same as their— say that my womanhood is the same as their womanhood. if let me aen— same as their womanhood. if let me aen ine— same as their womanhood. if let me ask the question again should

eoneioiy— me ask the question again should eoneioiy wno-e— me ask the question again should somebody who's trans be able to eonpeie— somebody who's trans be able to eonpeie in— somebody who's trans be able to eonpeie in a— somebody who's trans be able to compete in a miss— somebody who's trans be able to compete in a miss england eonieeie— compete in a miss england contest? well— compete in a miss england contest? well well, i think it's nnee— contest? well well, i think it's inene ae— contest? well well, i think it's there are pageants for those eaiegoiiee— there are pageants for those categories as— there are pageants for those categories as well. for a iiiieieni— categories as well. for a different category. yes. i categories as well. for a- different category. yes. i think so. all different category. yes. i think nu ngni. — different category. yes. i think so. all right. no,— different category. yes. i think so. all right. no, because it takes away. helena, how would you respond to that? i don't think they look— you respond to that? i don't think they look very- 3 ff7 i don't think they look very good in a ewinning— think they look very good in a swimming costume. well that is a pwieiy— swimming costume. well that is a pwieiy ewpieeiiwe— swimming costume. well that is a purely subjective judgement. no, i purely subjective judgement. no, i ion-i— purely subjective judgement. no, i ion-i ininn— purely subjective judgement. no, i don't think they— purely subjective judgement. no, i don't think they should just in ne— i don't think they should just in we eae— i don't think they should just in the same way— i don't think they should just in the same way that they enowiin-i— in the same way that they shouldn't be— in the same way that they shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's swimming competitions, women's cycling eonpeiiiione— competitions, women's cycling competitions. cetera. et competitions. it's cetera. et eeeiai— competitions. it's cetera. et cetera.ithink_ competitions. it's cetera. et cetera. think that is cetera. i think that this is none— cetera. i think that this is another anti—feminist move another very anti—feminist move . ani— another very anti—feminist move . nni inin— another very anti—feminist move . nni iiie ie— another very anti—feminist move . and this is the— another very anti—feminist move . and this is the interesting thing, isn't it? this is the interesting thing that actually kwasi it's not women appearing in bikinis. that is that is actually damaging women's rights . you can gender . it's this and you can gender you can call yourself actually what the hell you want to call yourself, but biology. don't, don't biology , i think- 3 don't, don't biology , i think is a it's don't biology, i think is a it's iaung— don't biology, i think is a it's iaung away— don't biology, i think is a it's taking away from women's opponwniiiee— taking away from women's opportunities because miss ingiani— opportunities because miss ingiani ie— opportunities because miss england is not— opportunities because miss england is not just about being

on eiage. — england is not just about being on eiage. ii— england is not just about being on stage. it gives— england is not just about being on stage. i 3 3 on stage. it gives these girls massive opportunities in in the world of various different fields. i mean, the current miss england, she's an aerospace engineer and she's trying get engineer and she's trying to get women stem fields. yeah, women into stem fields. yeah, no, get it. i get it. i women into stem fields. yeah, no,iget it. i get it. i get- no, i get it. i get it. i get i.— no, i get it. i get it. i get in we-we— no, i get it. i get it. i get it. we've moved- no, i get it. i get it. i get it. we've moved it on from what it. we've moved it on from what in nae— it. we've moved it on from what in ini— it. we've moved it on from what in in we— it. we've moved it on from what it was, but we still— it. we've moved it on from what it was, but we still i think noei— it was, but we still i think noei peopie— it was, but we still i think most people want to see very ieawiiiwi— most people want to see very beautiful-thank- most people want to see very- beautiful-thank-very beautiful women. thank you very nwen— beautiful women. thank you very nwen inieei— beautiful women. thank you very much indeed for— beautiful women. thank you very much indeed for coming on and ieiaiing— much indeed for coming on and ieiaiing-nni— much indeed for coming on and debating and doing it in debating that. and doing it in a eiwiiieei— debating that. and doing it in a civilised—see,- debating that. and doing it in a civilised—see, it's. civilised fashion. you see, it's poeeiiie— civilised fashion. you see, it's poeeiiie io— civilised fashion. you see, it's possible to debate tough possible to debate these tough —ieeeeay - possible to debate these tough issues—way. nowi issues in a civilised way. now i nave— issues in a civilised way. now i nave goi— issues in a civilised way. now i nawe goi ine— issues in a civilised way. now i have got time for— issues in a civilised way. now i have got time for a couple of ianage. — have got time for a couple of barrage. .farage. - have got time for a couple of barrage. farage. so here barrage. the farage. so here goee— barrage. the farage. so here goee .— barrage. the farage. so here goee. — barrage. the farage. so here goee. wnai— barrage. the farage. so here goes . what do— barrage. the farage. so here goes. what do you- barrage. the farage. so here goes . 3 barrage. the farage. so here goes. 39 barrage. the farage. so here- goes. what do you guys think we can do about the cost of living? do you guys think it's going to go worse? i was only going to go better from here. now i think i think the reality is , you know, think the reality is, you know, that anybody with a mortgage is facing really , really tough facing really, really tough times. you know, we've not seen inieieei— times. you know, we've not seen inieieei-ai— times. you know, we've not seen interest - at these _ i you know, we've not seen interest at these levels interest rates at these levels for_ decades. - interest rates at these levels- for_decades. anybody for a couple of decades. anybody winn— for a couple of decades. anybody win a— for a couple of decades. anybody win a nongage— for a couple of decades. anybody with a mortgage, indeed, anybody ieniing— with a mortgage, indeed, anybody renting effectively— with a mortgage, indeed, anybody renting effectively the cost of ining— renting effectively the cost of iiwing ie— renting effectively the cost of living is getting— renting effectively the cost of living is getting tougher and geiiing— living is getting tougher and geiiing — living is getting tougher and getting worse. and inflation has pionei— getting worse. and inflation has pionei io—

getting worse. and inflation has pionei io ie— getting worse. and inflation has proved to be stickier than it is. proved to be stickier than it ieli— proved to be stickier than it ieii wowii— proved to be stickier than it is.-i would say- proved to be stickier than it is. i would say all i really is. all i would say all i really wowii— is. all i would say all i really wowii-ie— is. all i would say all i really would-is that— is. all i would say all i really would-is that the- is. all i would say all i really would is that the green would say is that the green iaxee— would say is that the green iaxee inan— would say is that the green taxes that we— would say is that the green taxes that we put on electricity iiue— taxes that we put on electricity iiue ani— taxes that we put on electricity bills and everything else iiepioi— bills and everything else disprot emotionally hurt those on iowei— disprot emotionally hurt those on lower incomes— disprot emotionally hurt those on lower incomes , but they're on lower incomes, but they're very,— on lower incomes, but they're very, new— on lower incomes, but they're very, very gooi— on lower incomes, but they're very, very good for the rich. inieei— very, very good for the rich. inieei ine— very, very good for the rich. indeed i've got— very, very good for the rich. indeed i've got time for one ianage— indeed i've got time for one more barrage. the farage. let's go again.— more barrage. the farage. let's go again. wnai— more barrage. the farage. let's go again. what you being joining the go again. what you being joining ine wi— go again. what you being joining ine wii panye — go again. what you being joining the wii party? we,— go again. what you being joining the wii party? �*fnii; the wii party? we, the taxpayer , not the tax avoider. every thing we do, we will do for the care of the country, not for money. we will have people winning the government that do it for half, if not a third of the money that the people are doing it for. now so we will show the country that we are doing it because we care. would you be interested in joining and setting up the wii party? well, that's all well and good- 3 i. 7 well, that's all well and good to say inan— that's all well and good to say inai nie— that's all well and good to say that mps should— that's all well and good to say that mps should do their job wiinowi— that mps should do their job without being— that mps should do their job without being paid a been. and if without being paid a been. and ii yowe— without being paid a been. and if you're wealthy— without being paid a been. and if you're wealthy and successful une— if you're wealthy and successful iine iaeoi— if you're wealthy and successful like jacob rees—mogg, you could pioiaiiy—ii- like jacob rees—mogg, you could propaiiy—ii ion- probably afford to do it for noiiing— probably afford to do it for nothing-most- probably afford to do it for. nothing.-most-are probably afford to do it for- nothing.-most-are not nothing. but most people are not in-poeiiion— nothing. but most people are not in-poeiiion .— nothing. but most people are not in-position . and— nothing. but most people are not in position . and there is in that position. and there is an aigwneni— in that position. and there is an argument actually that if yow—

an argument actually that if yown ioeai— an argument actually that if your local mp— an argument actually that if your local mp is— an argument actually that if your local mp is earning about nau— your local mp is earning about naii ine— your local mp is earning about half the headmaster of the local comprehensive,— half the headmaster of the local comprehensive, that actually nayie— comprehensive, that actually nayie-paii- comprehensive, that actually maybe paid them more, maybe if you paid them more, yon-i— maybe if you paid them more, yow-i-gwaiiiy- maybe if you paid them more, you'd quality people you'd get better quality people . inan— you'd get better quality people . inn-a— you'd get better quality people . inai-a pig— you'd get better quality people . that a big debate now . that one is a big debate now on inwieiay— . that one is a big debate now on thursday this— . that one is a big debate now on thursday this week i will be in nanneiey.— on thursday this week i will be in barnsley. yes.— on thursday this week i will be in barnsley. yes. the former mining— in barnsley. yes. the former nining iown— in barnsley. yes. the former mining town of— in barnsley. yes. the former mining town of barnsley , a big mining town of barnsley, a big newn— mining town of barnsley, a big niexii aea— mining town of barnsley, a big brexit area and— mining town of barnsley, a big brexit area and it— mining town of barnsley, a big brexit area and it will be winnin— brexit area and it will be wiinin a— brexit area and it will be within a few— brexit area and it will be within a few hours , seven years within a few hours, seven years ee— within a few hours, seven years inan— within a few hours, seven years since that referendum . um, if since that referendum. um, if you— since that referendum. um, if yow wani— since that referendum. um, if yow wani io— since that referendum. um, if you want to come, go to gb news dot you want to come, go to gb news ioi — you want to come, go to gb news dot com because— you want to come, go to gb news dot com because we— you want to come, go to gb news dot com because we still have a iew— dot com because we still have a iew iieneie— dot com because we still have a few tickets left. _ dot com because we still have a few tickets left. come and join me— few tickets left. come and join me in— few tickets left. come and join me in barnsley.— few tickets left. come and join me in barnsley. michelle newieny— me in barnsley. michelle dewberry will— me in barnsley. michelle dewberry will be there as well. gb dewberry will be there as well. en newe— dewberry will be there as well. in newe nonn— dewberry will be there as well. gb news .com. coming up next at the gb news .com. coming up next at we wew— gb news .com. coming up next at the very successful— gb news .com. coming up next at the very successful sir jacob ioeee-nogg— the very successful sir jacob rees—mogg jacob nigel farage inieneeiing— rees—mogg jacob nigel farage interesting question wasn't it? it's interesting question wasn't it? we a— interesting question wasn't it? we a ieauy— interesting question wasn't it? it's a really interesting- it's a really interesting question and there's no easy answer actually , because nobody answer actually, because nobody wants to pay politicians very much . but i think we may have much. but i think we may have the worst of all worlds at the moment. i think paying politicians and then making it harder and for to harder and harder for them to have outside interests has been a mistake. you've a great mistake. you've professionalised it very difficult. what i'm following up

on—iwei- difficult. what i'm following up on—iwei eayingl on what you were just saying, neauy— on what you were just saying, really important— on what you were just saying, really important opinion poll in the really important opinion poll in. nne—inn the sun this morning saying that noei— the sun this morning saying that noei peopie— the sun this morning saying that noei peopie ae— the sun this morning saying that most people are more concerned aiowi— most people are more concerned anon—ining- most people are more concerned about—living than- about the cost of living than nei— about the cost of living than nei-nie— about the cost of living than nei-nne we— about the cost of living than net-are we making. about the cost of living than- net-are we making people net zero. are we making people poor and we're not going to make them in way and we're them green in any way and we're also going about also going to talk about yesterday on about yesterday you were on about somebody a cat. somebody identifying as a cat. yes, going to identify as a yes, i'm going to identify as a new this basket what people can identify as and how ridiculous it's got. sometimes this eiannei— it's got. sometimes this channel, you— i 3f sometimes this channel, you know, we have we nave — channel, you know, we have we have michelle _ channel, you know, we have we have michelle being made up as a cat have michelle being made up as a eai ani— have michelle being made up as a cat and rees—mogg's going to be aan ne— cat and rees—mogg's going to be a canoe. it's all— cat and rees—mogg's going to be a canoe. it's all too— cat and rees—mogg's going to be a canoe. it's all too much for in— a canoe. it's all too much for in going— a canoe. it's all too much for me. i'm going home. let's get ine— me. i'm going home. let's get ine weainen — me. i'm going home. let's get the weather. 7 ' 3f“ the weather. hello? it's aidan mcgivern here with the gb news forecast from the met office if you've been affected by any of today's showers as well, they will ease through the evening with spells developing with clear spells developing overnight, but further showers expected on thursday more expected on thursday before more widely sunshine and higher temperatures at the end of the week. low pressure at the moment has brought areas of rain and showers across many parts of the uk. one system clears the east of scotland , pushing into orkney of scotland, pushing into orkney

and overnight, but only and shetland overnight, but only as of mainly light as outbreaks of mainly light rain showers elsewhere tend to disappear, although a few will keep going across western scotland, northern ireland, as well parts of wales. perhaps well as parts of wales. perhaps seeing the shower overnight, seeing the odd shower overnight, but otherwise a but otherwise clear spells a fresher night. i think compared with recent nights , but still with recent nights, but still warmer than average with temperatures staying at 1415 celsius the south, 12 to 13 celsius in the south, 12 to 13 further north. we're soon seeing those showers develop once again across scotland and northern ireland on wednesday morning. and and western and then central and western parts england, as as parts of england, as well as wales. once these showers wales. once again, these showers will highly localised and in will be highly localised and in some they'll downpour some places they'll be downpour after hail after downpour with some hail and other places will and lightning. other places will stay avoid the showers, stay dry and avoid the showers, particularly towards the south—east, where temperatures will celsius. but will reach 27 or 28 celsius. but fairly widely the uk, low fairly widely across the uk, low to are expected away to mid 20s are expected away from any downpours . showers will from any downpours. showers will only keep going until about 8 or 9 pm. and then clear spells and dry for many overnight. but it stays mild with temperatures up and down the country largely holding up in the teens and

perhaps a degree or so higher compared with the forthcoming night. and so it looks like it's going to be a fairly muggy one. once again, but widely sunny skies as we start off thursday. and for many, it will stay that way into the afternoon. however some clouds will bubble up once again , especially for parts of again, especially for parts of east wales into the midlands, towards south—east of towards the south—east of england and 1 or 2 for northern england, but for much of scotland, northern ireland, southern parts of england, it stays through the day. on stays dry through the day. on thursday , dry again on friday, thursday, dry again on friday, but more unsettled in the northwest later .

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