who's on board, say harding, who's on board, say they— harding, who's on board, say they have— harding, who's on board, say they have great— harding, who's on board, say they have great faith and trust in the— they have great faith and trust in the rescue— they have great faith and trust in the rescue effort. captain jamie— in the rescue effort. captain jamie frederick— in the rescue effort. captain jamie frederick from the us coastguard— jamie frederick from the us coastguard said— jamie frederick from the us coastguard said a short time ago the seam— coastguard said a short time ago the each he— coastguard said a short time ago the search is highly complex . the search is highly complex. us the search is highly complex. us and— the search is highly complex. us and canadian— the search is highly complex. us and canadian coastguard air national guard aircraft and the polar prince, which have searched a combined 7600mi2, an area larger than the state of connecticut . these search connecticut. these search efforts have focussed on both surface with a c—130 aircraft searching by sight and with radar and subsurface, with p—s aircraft that were able to drop and monitor sonar buoys to date , those search efforts have not yielded any results. we know there's about there's about 40 hours of breathable air left . hours of breathable air left. well, here in the uk , nicola well, here in the uk, nicola sturgeon has been speaking out on her first return to the scottish parliament at holyrood since her arrest at the former first minister of scotland told reporters she's absolutely

certain she's done nothing wrong. that's after she was aheecea— wrong. that's after she was arrested and— 3 that's after she was arrested and released without charge— arrested and released without charge following a police investigation— charge following a police investigation into snp finances . he— investigation into snp finances . he sturgeon— investigation into snp finances . ms sturgeon would not say whether— . ms sturgeon would not say whether ehe— . ms sturgeon would not say whether she should stand down hem— whether she should stand down from he— whether she should stand down from he aah.— whether she should stand down from he each. a— whether she should stand down from the party. a trial date has beeh— from the party. a trial date has been ecc— from the party. a trial date has been eec fea— from the party. a trial date has been set for january the 12th for been set for january the 12th her he— been set for january the 12th fer the ah— been set for january the 12th for the man accused of murdering chee— for the man accused of murdering ahaee people— for the man accused of murdering ahaee people aha— for the man accused of murdering three people and attempting to kill three people and attempting to cm chee— three people and attempting to kill three others— three people and attempting to kill three others in nottingham haec— kill three others in nottingham haec weeh. — kill three others in nottingham last week. valdo_ kill three others in nottingham last week. valdo kalakaua will cheer— last week. valdo kalakaua will enter hie— last week. valdo kalakaua will enter his pleas— last week. valdo kalakaua will enter his pleas in— last week. valdo kalakaua will enter his pleas in september for he appeared— enter his pleas in september for he appeared ar— enter his pleas in september for he appeared at nottingham crown ccah— he appeared at nottingham crown ccarr todavr— he appeared at nottingham crown court today, charged with maraerrhg— court today, charged with murdering 19— court today, charged with murdering 19 year old students. barnaby— murdering 19 year old students. barnaby webber_ murdering 19 year old students. barnaby webber and grace o-rrahey. — barnaby webber and grace o'malley. kumar as well as 65 year— o'malley. kumar as well as 65 year are— o'malley. kumar as well as 65 year old caretaker— o'malley. kumar as well as 65 year old caretaker ian coates on june— year old caretaker ian coates on june rhe— year old caretaker ian coates on here he rech— year old caretaker ian coates on june the 13th, the— year old caretaker ian coates on june the 13th, the 31 year old is june the 13th, the 31 year old he area— june the 13th, the 31 year old is also charged— june the 13th, the 31 year old is also charged with attempting to is also charged with attempting rc marcher— is also charged with attempting to murder three— is also charged with attempting to murder three pedestrians by driving— to murder three pedestrians by driving rh— to murder three pedestrians by driving mr coates— to murder three pedestrians by driving mr coates van at them in the driving mr coates van at them in he chr— driving mr coates van at them in he crry cehrer— driving mr coates van at them in the city centre ._ driving mr coates van at them in the city centre . a— driving mr coates van at them in the city centre . a trial date the city centre. a trial date hae— the city centre. a trial date hae heeh— the city centre. a trial date has been set— the city centre. a trial date has been set for- the city centre. a trial date has been set for donald trump's craeehrea— has been set for donald trump's classified document . s case. classified document. s case. he— classified document. s case. he going— classified document. s case. he going rc— classified document. s case. it's going to take— classified document. s case. it's going to take place on hearer— it's going to take place on aagaer rhe— it's going to take place on august the 14th. he faces 37 chrhrhar— august the 14th. he faces 37 criminal charges— august the 14th. he faces 37 criminal charges of mishandling mee— criminal charges of mishandling rhee aha— criminal charges of mishandling free and re— criminal charges of mishandling

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email me and sometimes you say this is a story that you should be covering on gb news or elsewhere. and every now and again there's one that really is again there's one that really is a little bit special . what we a little bit special. what we got overnight was a message that a preacher who i think we could probably quite safely call a hate preacher from bangladesh was coming to the united kingdom . let me show you a little clip of ina abbasi talking about the nine over 11 attacks. is ihra single october. in mar—a—lago islamic nato act . better. islamic nato act. better. molumby. ponme coro rt. \r' o rt molumby. ponme coro lord islamic nato act. better. - molumby. ponme coro lord dannatt chara— molumby. ponme coro lord dannatt chera chara— molumby. ponme coro lord dannatt chera chera 90— molumby. ponme coro lord dannatt chera chera 90 re— molumby. ponme coro lord dannatt mola mola go to dumas inaya . mola mola go to dumas inaya. weh— mola mola go to dumas inaya. rreh. r— mola mola go to dumas inaya. rreh. r rhrhh— mola mola go to dumas inaya. well, i think that— mola mola go to dumas inaya. well, i think that fairly safely aaahhee— well, i think that fairly safely aaahhee ae— well, i think that fairly safely qualifies as being hate speech. hee— qualifies as being hate speech. he-e area— qualifies as being hate speech. has also eard— qualifies as being hate speech. he's also said in— qualifies as being hate speech. he's also said in the— qualifies as being hate speech. he's also said in the past- qualifies as being hate speech. he's also said in the past that anyone that questions the prophet mohammed should be beheaded and yet he's come into the united kingdom. he's doing

several speeches in this country. he's come from bangladesh. isn't it odd that people like laura southern, a canadian conservative, get banned from coming into this country? geert wilders , who was country? geert wilders, who was an elected member of the dutch parliament, gets banned from coming into this country. yet this man is here and to free tour and spread these message . tour and spread these message. tonight, i ask, is the home office asleep at at the wheel? let me know what you think. farage at gb news .com. well i'm joined now by charlie peters our gb news investigates. reporter charlie, this one looks pretty shocking . absolutely. i mean, shocking. absolutely. i mean, we've seen the clip- g ' oily i mean, we've seen the clip there of him prarerha— we've seen the clip there of him prarerhg rhe— we've seen the clip there of him praising the 9/11— we've seen the clip there of him praising the 9/11 terrorists, aeecrrhrhg— praising the 9/11 terrorists, describing them as brave lions aha— describing them as brave lions and gang— describing them as brave lions and going ch— describing them as brave lions and going on also— describing them as brave lions and going on also to apply great praree— and going on also to apply great araree rc— and going on also to apply great praise to osama_ and going on also to apply great praise to osama bin laden, saving— praise to osama bin laden, saying char— praise to osama bin laden, saying that his— praise to osama bin laden, saying that his followers are her— saying that his followers are her wcrrhr— saying that his followers are her wcrrhr rc— saying that his followers are not worthy to carry his shoes . not worthy to carry his shoes. is not worthy to carry his shoes. re char.— not worthy to carry his shoes. re rhar. r— not worthy to carry his shoes. is that, | think— not worthy to carry his shoes. is that, i think as— not worthy to carry his shoes. is that, i think as a standalone comment, should— is that, i think as a standalone comment, should almost certainly arach— comment, should almost certainly heck you— comment, should almost certainly block you -visiting _ comment, should almost certainly block you visiting britain, block you from visiting britain, cerrarhh— block you from visiting britain, cerrarhry-ghrha- block you from visiting britain, certainly giving several certainly from giving several recraree.— certainly from giving several lectures. speaking tonight lectures. he's speaking tonight in birmingham— lectures. he's speaking tonight in birmingham right now, we achieve.— in birmingham right now, we hehere. har— in birmingham right now, we believe. but also— in birmingham right now, we

believe. but also we have reache— believe. but also we have reache char— believe. but also we have reports that he- believe. but also we have reports that he spoke two days ago— reports that he spoke two days ago . nottingham _ reports that he spoke two days ago nottingham and is due to ago in nottingham and is due to epeah— ago in nottingham and is due to epeah rh— ago in nottingham and is due to speak in london— ago in nottingham and is due to speak in london tomorrow night. so speak in london tomorrow night. sc-a— speak in london tomorrow night. sc-a epeahha— speak in london tomorrow night. so-a speaking-now. speak in london tomorrow night. so a speaking now . so this is a speaking tour now. he— so this is a speaking tour now. he being— so this is a speaking tour now. it's being hosted— so this is a speaking tour now. it's being hosted by a tv chahher— it's being hosted by a tv channel called- it's being hosted by a tv channel called ion tv. they're her— channel called ion tv. they're her-cache- channel called ion tv. they're not-eating the- channel called ion tv. they're not eating the event. not broadcast eating the event. they—regulatedl they are an ofcom regulated channeh— they are an ofcom regulated channel, but— they are an ofcom regulated channel, but they did confirm to gb channel, but they did confirm to are newe— channel, but they did confirm to are here cer— channel, but they did confirm to gb news over the— channel, but they did confirm to gb news over the phone that he weara— gb news over the phone that he heard he— gb news over the phone that he would be speaking— gb news over the phone that he would be speaking tonight when we par— would be speaking tonight when we par chem— would be speaking tonight when we put them the— would be speaking tonight when we put them the comments to them eawhe—cr- saying, what do you make of rheee— saying, what do you make of these comments— saying, what do you make of these comments here are the comments made— these comments here are the comments made such describing comments made such as describing the comments made such as describing rhe—reaaere- the queen's young leaders programme— the queen's young leaders programme evil and describing programme as evil and describing ahmaar— programme as evil and describing what-.— programme as evil and describing ahmaar-. a— programme as evil and describing ahmadi , a persecuted ahmadi muslims, a persecuted eecr— ahmadi muslims, a persecuted eecr wrrhrh— ahmadi muslims, a persecuted sect within the _ ahmadi muslims, a persecuted sect within the islamic faith as harr— sect within the islamic faith as car who — sect within the islamic faith as kafir who need— sect within the islamic faith as kafir who need to _ sect within the islamic faith as kafir who need to be beheaded. so kafir who need to be beheaded. sc errerhe— kafir who need to be beheaded. so extreme comments . we put it so extreme comments. we put it to so extreme comments. we put it re rhre— so extreme comments. we put it re rhre ewe— so extreme comments. we put it re rhre ewe ch— so extreme comments. we put it to this eye on tv— so extreme comments. we put it to this eye on tv channel. they eard— to this eye on tv channel. they eara chew— to this eye on tv channel. they said they weren't— to this eye on tv channel. they said they weren't aware of them, eawhg— said they weren't aware of them, eawrhg char— said they weren't aware of them, eawrhg rhar he— said they weren't aware of them, saying that he was— said they weren't aware of them, saying that he was an extremely papara— saying that he was an extremely popular preacher.— saying that he was an extremely popular preacher. but indeed, if we recher— popular preacher. but indeed, if we looked-upr— popular preacher. but indeed, if we looked-up, we- popular preacher. but indeed, if we looked up, we found we looked him up, we found archw— we looked him up, we found plenty-iyou're_ we looked him up, we found plenty-iyou're 6- we looked him up, we found plenty. you're a channel plenty. if you're a tv channel wrrh— plenty. if you're a tv channel wrrh a— plenty. if you're a tv channel wrrh a ehw— plenty. if you're a tv channel with a sky channel and you've got with a sky channel and you've ear rhre— with a sky channel and you've gar rhre guy— with a sky channel and you've got this guy coming as your guest— got this guy coming as your career. why— got this guy coming as your guest, why wouldn't you broadcast? _ guest, why wouldn't you broadcast? “in; 3: i guest, why wouldn't you- broadcast? yes, indeed. imean, broadcast? yes, indeed. i mean, we epche— broadcast? yes, indeed. i mean, we epchelrhe— broadcast? yes, indeed. i mean, we spokelthe venue- broadcast? yes, indeed. i mean, we spokelthe venue as- broadcast? “in; 3: i mean, we spoke the venue as well. we spoke to the venue as well. we we spoke to the venue as well. we cchracrea— we spoke to the venue as well. we contacted the— we spoke to the venue as well. we contacted the in we contacted the venue in hhmhghaw— we contacted the venue in birmingham. that's hosting mr ahhaer— birmingham. that's hosting mr ahhaer-rhew- birmingham. that's hosting mr abbasi-they also- abbasi tonight. they also charmed— abbasi tonight. they also claimecomments and actually of his comments and actually reha— of his comments and actually row we— of his comments and actually row we char— of his comments and actually told us that he— of his comments and actually told us that he was putting on a

wha— told us that he was putting on a had eeaee— told us that he was putting on a kind message to— told us that he was putting on a kind message to introduce the hear— kind message to introduce the next generation _ kind message to introduce the next generation of islamic rchcwere— next generation of islamic followers into _ next generation of islamic followers into his kind rhetoric ahead— followers into his kind rhetoric aheaa cr— followers into his kind rhetoric ahead of certain— followers into his kind rhetoric ahead of certain muslim holidays . haw.— ahead of certain muslim holidays . wcw. cr— ahead of certain muslim holidays . now, of course,— ahead of certain muslim holidays . now, of course, what we've heard— . now, of course, what we've heard certainly— . now, of course, what we've heard certainly does not reahcare— heard certainly does not reahcare a— heard certainly does not replicate a message of kindness. i replicate a message of kindness. r rhehrrchea— replicate a message of kindness. i mentioned laura— replicate a message of kindness. i mentioned laura southern, the cahaarah— i mentioned laura southern, the canadian conservative. i mentioned— canadian conservative. i mentioned geert- canadian conservative. i mentioned geert wilders, very controversial, but an elected member of the dutch parliament. and when many members in the european parliament aren't as well , i've european parliament aren't as well, i've asked european parliament aren't as well , i've asked the european parliament aren't as well, i've asked the question of our audience is the home office asleep at the wheel? could it be they don't know about this man? or is it more likely they're just turning a blind eye? in recent years, they have g r: , in recent years, they have banned rerarhrere— recent years, they have banned islamists from _ recent years, they have banned islamists from arriving. theresa mav— islamists from arriving. theresa haw anaer— islamists from arriving. theresa haw under her— islamists from arriving. theresa may under her premiership, we zahr— may under her premiership, we saw zakir naik_ may under her premiership, we saw zakir naik was blocked . he's saw zakir naik was blocked. he's a he— saw zakir naik was blocked. he's a he wae— saw zakir naik was blocked. he's a he a— saw zakir naik was blocked. he's a he was a scholar— saw zakir naik was blocked. he's a he was a scholar ,_ saw zakir naik was blocked. he's a he was a scholar , but also a he was a scholar, but also a hare— a he was a scholar, but also a hare preacher.— a he was a scholar, but also a hate preacher. and we also had ahcrher— hate preacher. and we also had another scholar— hate preacher. and we also had another scholar blocked in 2021 hem— another scholar blocked in 2021 from arrrwhg— another scholar blocked in 2021 from arriving from _ another scholar blocked in 2021 from arriving from qatar , from from arriving from qatar, from flying— from arriving from qatar, from rwrhg rrcrh — from arriving from qatar, from flying from doha.— from arriving from qatar, from flying from doha. so we do know char— flying from doha. so we do know rhar rhe— flying from doha. so we do know that the home— flying from doha. so we do know that the home office has in recehr— that the home office has in recehr weare— that the home office has in recent years made these steps for raarcar— recent years made these steps for radical islamists in

parrrcwrar. — for radical islamists in particular. but clearly there are so many of— particular. but clearly there are so many of these of these epeahere— are so many of these of these eaeakere char— are so many of these of these speakers that the _ are so many of these of these speakers that the britain has had— speakers that the britain has had rc— speakers that the britain has had to block— speakers that the britain has had to block-the- speakers that the britain has had to block the last had to block over the last decade— had to block over the last decade cr— had to block over the last decade or so— had to block over the last decade or so ,_ had to block over the last decade or so , that it must be decade or so, that it must be a errwggre. — decade or so, that it must be a errwggre. war,— decade or so, that it must be a struggle. well, let's be let's for struggle. well, let's be let's fer-he— struggle. well, let's be let's for-be generous- struggle. well, let's be let's for be generous the struggle. well, let's be let's- for-be generous-the home for once be generous to the home office. — for once be generous to the home office. lweah— for once be generous to the home office. imean, it's— for once be generous to the home office. imean, it's always- office. i mean, it's always a first on this program. and have we written to them, charlie? are we written to them, charlie? are we for answers very we looking for answers very quickly from them? they gave a very statement to that very brief statement to say that extremism in our extremism has no place in our society, adding that work society, adding that we work closely enforcement and closely with law enforcement and local communities and international partners to tackle groups and individuals who sow division and hatred. it was a very brief response,- r: . a�*r: : it was a very brief response, yes. and are— very brief response, yes. and are her— very brief response, yes. and did not address— very brief response, yes. and did not address any of the individual— did not address any of the individual comments that dr. ahhaer— individual comments that dr. ahhaer hae— individual comments that dr. abbasi had made that we had hrcaghr— abbasi had made that we had hrcwghr car— abbasi had made that we had brought out to— abbasi had made that we had brought out to them. well and john— brought out to them. well and john shena— brought out to them. well and john suella, the— brought out to them. well and john suella, the mp, labour mp , john suella, the mp, labour mp, has john suella, the mp, labour mp, hae heeh— john suella, the mp, labour mp, hae been very— john suella, the mp, labour mp, has been very outspoken on this. he has been very outspoken on this. he warre— has been very outspoken on this. he wahre rc— has been very outspoken on this. he wants to know— has been very outspoken on this. he wants to know why, why the heme — he wants to know why, why the heme orhce — he wants to know why, why the home office missed how home office has missed it. how can-situations- home office has missed it. how can situations where can we have situations where crher— can we have situations where crher-hawe- can we have situations where other - have been i other islamists have been hacked— other islamists have been blocked extreme other islamists have been- blocked-extreme popular blocked and this extreme popular preachere— blocked and this extreme popular preacher-h— blocked and this extreme popular preacher? it important to preacher? and it is important to here— preacher? and it is important to here-preacher- preacher? and it is important to note-preacher is- note that this preacher is excremew— note that this preacher is archery-.- note that this preacher is- extremely-..bhatti extremely popular. dr. bhatti hae— extremely popular. dr. bhatti hae-crcwae— extremely popular. dr. bhatti has crowds following him in has huge crowds following him in hahgraaeeh— has huge crowds following him in bangladesh, clearly some bangladesh, and clearly some ewaacrrere— bangladesh, and clearly some eaaacrrere rh— bangladesh, and clearly some supporters in the— bangladesh, and clearly some supporters in the bengali ccrhrhahhw— supporters in the bengali community britain, clearly supporters in the bengali commurtor britain, clearly supporters in the bengali commurto putbritain, clearly supporters in the bengali commurto put on:ain, clearly supporters in the bengali

commurto put on:ai speaking tour enough to put on a speaking tour -rcrrher— enough to put on a speaking tour .-former labour- enough to put on a speaking tour . former labour defence . so this former labour defence rhrhrerer— . so this former labour defence minister asked,— . so this former labour defence minister asked, you know, are rhe— minister asked, you know, are he heme— minister asked, you know, are the home office— minister asked, you know, are the home office aware of this or are the home office aware of this or chew— the home office aware of this or rhew aereea— the home office aware of this or are they asleep at— the home office aware of this or are they asleep at the wheel? john — are they asleep at the wheel? rchh speller— are they asleep at the wheel? john spellar john— are they asleep at the wheel? john spellar john kelly- are they asleep at the wheel? john spellarjohn kelly and john spellarjohn kelly you and i were all asking the same question. it could be that the home office didn't know, in which case we will forgive them. but we a very but please, when we raise a very specific point by a gb specific point raised by a gb news viewer and thank you for doing that, don't ignore us anymore or we'll be back on this case tomorrow. it's your job in the home office to keep hate preachers out. i expect between now and 7:00 tomorrow for some action to be taken. charlie, thank you very much indeed. now a fortnight ago i said as the newspapers were full of speculation about when would boris's comeback be, i said i thought he was finished and last night, by any measure, after the attempted revolution that he tried to promote within the conservative party ended in humiliation. i think it was only seven members of parliament voting with boris johnson against the recommendations of

the privileges committee. even jacob rees—mogg, who takes over from me in 45 minutes. and i'll ask him why even jacob abstained . and i wonder , is boris now . and i wonder, is boris now finished out as a conservative political figure? well, phillip blonde is a former adviser to david cameron and very much part of that conservative live set. i was pretty bearish about boris's chances a couple of weeks ago . chances a couple of weeks ago. it seemed to me not only philip had he lost the confidence of his own parliamentary party, but when you look at the polling in the country, he's about as popular as prince andrew. yes and he doesn't get much lower rhah— and he doesn't get much lower rhah char.— and he doesn't get much lower rhah rhar. hm.— and he doesn't get much lower than that. um, look , i think than that. um, look, i think ecehrhee— than that. um, look, i think sometimes conventional wisdom is hahr— sometimes conventional wisdom is rich aha— sometimes conventional wisdom is right and conventional wisdom weara— right and conventional wisdom weara have— right and conventional wisdom would have that— right and conventional wisdom would have that he's finished. i rhrhh— would have that he's finished. i rhrhh r— would have that he's finished. i rhrhh r rhrhh— would have that he's finished. i think i think he's— would have that he's finished. i think i think he's wildly whacaarar— think i think he's wildly unpopular in— think i think he's wildly unpopular in the country. but i rhrhh— unpopular in the country. but i rhrhh cheer— unpopular in the country. but i think most striking is that he's whacpwrar— think most striking is that he's unpopular rh— think most striking is that he's unpopular in his— think most striking is that he's unpopular in his own parliamentary party. and nobody

will parliamentary party. and nobody wrh rc— parliamentary party. and nobody wrh re he. — parliamentary party. and nobody will to be. and— parliamentary party. and nobody will to be. and he— parliamentary party. and nobody will to be. and he never was papara— will to be. and he never was popular amongst— will to be. and he never was popular amongst the parliamentary. popular amongst the parliamentary . rzi; popular amongst the parliamentary . rz; c popular amongst the- parliamentary . he wasn't. if popular amongst the— parliamentary . he wasn't. if you parliamentary. he wasn't. if you go back to early 2019, he'd voted twice against mrs. may's deal voted twice against mrs. may's deal, then a third time of asking, voted for it. neither wing of the party seemed to like him in those days. yeah, but people him in those days. yeah, but people hen-r— him in those days. yeah, but people didn't have- him in those days. yeah, but people didn't have to- " " : yeah, but people didn't have to like him to people didn't have to like him re hack— people didn't have to like him re hach hrrh— people didn't have to like him to back him because they thought he wae— to back him because they thought he a— to back him because they thought he was a winner.— to back him because they thought he was a winner. i— to back him because they thought he was a winner. i think though we hwe— he was a winner. i think though we hwe rh— he was a winner. i think though we he in ah— he was a winner. i think though we live in an era— he was a winner. i think though we live in an era where things are we live in an era where things only— we live in an era where things one going— we live in an era where things chw eche rc— we live in an era where things are only going to get more ecraheea— are only going to get more polarised, more— are only going to get more polarised, more crises. so i rhhh— polarised, more crises. so i rhhh h— polarised, more crises. so i think it would— polarised, more crises. so i think it would be a mistake to where— think it would be a mistake to whchw ccahr— think it would be a mistake to wholly count him _ think it would be a mistake to wholly count him out. he haercahw— wholly count him out. he basically withdrew from the arcceee— basically withdrew from the arcceee aha — basically withdrew from the process and left to preserve his echhcar— process and left to preserve his political capital. _ process and left to preserve his political capital. all so he has an rhea— political capital. all so he has an idea char— political capital. all so he has an idea that he's— political capital. all so he has an idea that he's not out. what you— an idea that he's not out. what you mem— an idea that he's not out. what you he— an idea that he's not out. what you mean he ran— an idea that he's not out. what you mean he ran away? an idea that he's not out. wife. " a" , well, an idea that he's not out. wife. , well, in you mean he ran away? well, in his own he you mean he ran away? well, in he he he— you mean he ran away? well, in his own he his whole— you mean he ran away? well, in his own he his whole kind- , well, in his own he his whole kind of appear— his own he his whole kind of appear reere— his own he his whole kind of appeal rests on— his own he his whole kind of appeal rests on the idea he's arwawe— appeal rests on the idea he's arwawe a— appeal rests on the idea he's always a winner— appeal rests on the idea he's always a winner .— appeal rests on the idea he's always a winner . so in his own always a winner. so in his own mind.— always a winner. so in his own mha he— always a winner. so in his own mind, he withdrew— always a winner. so in his own mind, he withdrew from the ccmeer— mind, he withdrew from the contest that _ mind, he withdrew from the contest that he— mind, he withdrew from the contest that he thought he would rcee— contest that he thought he would lose. remember— contest that he thought he would lose. remember when he went for the lose. remember when he went for me reaaerehh— lose. remember when he went for the leadership gove— lose. remember when he went for the leadership gove was going to ram— the leadership gove was going to ram ae— the leadership gove was going to ram we .— the leadership gove was going to ram we . arch-r— the leadership gove was going to turn up , didn't he?— the leadership gove was going to turn up, didn't he? pulled out hecaee— turn up, didn't he? pulled out because-didn't—

turn up, didn't he? pulled out because didn't think he could because he didn't think he could sc— because he didn't think he could win. so-preserved- because he didn't think he could win. so preserved that that win. so he's preserved that that rhea— win. so he's preserved that that idea he— win. so he's preserved that that idea, the interesting thing is char— idea, the interesting thing is rhar eche— idea, the interesting thing is that boris lost— idea, the interesting thing is that boris lost because haercahw— that boris lost because basically he- that boris lost because basically he he didn't understand- basically he he didn't understand what happened in the zom— understand what happened in the 2019 election.— understand what happened in the 2019 election. he— understand what happened in the 2019 election. he got what kind of cache— 2019 election. he got what kind or experre cah— 2019 election. he got what kind of experts call the— 2019 election. he got what kind of experts call the upper left eaaaram— of experts call the upper left quadrant vote.— of experts call the upper left quadrant vote. they wanted to herr— quadrant vote. they wanted to rem ch— quadrant vote. they wanted to move left on the— quadrant vote. they wanted to move left on the economy. and by char.— move left on the economy. and by rhar. r— move left on the economy. and by rhar. r aah-r— move left on the economy. and by that, i don't mean— move left on the economy. and by that, i don't mean socialism. i eecarhe— that, i don't mean socialism. i mean securing the— that, i don't mean socialism. i mean securing the lives of wcrhhe— mean securing the lives of working class— mean securing the lives of working class people, of people whe— working class people, of people who are— working class people, of people who are below— working class people, of people who are below the— working class people, of people who are below the median wage, cherr— who are below the median wage, rheh hwee— who are below the median wage, their lives, their— who are below the median wage, their lives, their hopes, their economic aspirations, working craee— economic aspirations, working craee mech— economic aspirations, working class brexit voters as well. and here— class brexit voters as well. and here wee— class brexit voters as well. and there were people— class brexit voters as well. and there were people who liked heme— there were people who liked heme whe— there were people who liked boris who weren't even in favour of mech— boris who weren't even in favour of hrexh aha— boris who weren't even in favour of brexit and also— boris who weren't even in favour of brexit and also wanted to hara— of brexit and also wanted to move hard right— of brexit and also wanted to move hard right culturally, so char— move hard right culturally, so rhar we— move hard right culturally, so that we didn't— move hard right culturally, so that we didn't go for kind of eehree— that we didn't go for kind of eehree .— that we didn't go for kind of selfies , identification of women selfies, identification of women as selfies, identification of women ae and vice— selfies, identification of women as men and vice versa. the warhe— as men and vice versa. the home re— as men and vice versa. the home he he— as men and vice versa. the trouble is he couldn't deliver ehher— trouble is he couldn't deliver ehher. aha— trouble is he couldn't deliver either. and that's largely hecaee— either. and that's largely because his— either. and that's largely because his parliamentary party remains conventional 1980s thatcherite_ remains conventional 1980s thatcherite liberals . they're

thatcherite liberals. they're hcrh— thatcherite liberals. they're both economically liberal and eccrahw— both economically liberal and socially liberal. _ both economically liberal and socially liberal. his constituent- socially liberal. his constituent c wanted a post hherar— constituent c wanted a post liberal offer— constituent c wanted a post liberal offer economically and eccrahw— liberal offer economically and eccrahw .— liberal offer economically and eccrahw . aha— liberal offer economically and socially , and he— liberal offer economically and socially , and he couldn't socially, and he couldn't aehwer— socially, and he couldn't deliver it.— socially, and he couldn't deliver it. if— socially, and he couldn't deliver it. if you look in the end— deliver it. if you look in the end. whar— deliver it. if you look in the end, what levelling up is on cher— end, what levelling up is on offer .— end, what levelling up is on offer. he— end, what levelling up is on offer , it's not— end, what levelling up is on offer , it's not even equal to offer, it's not even equal to he— offer, it's not even equal to me amcm— offer, it's not even equal to the amount that's spent on mahaehe— the amount that's spent on managing migration. i mean, hhhh— managing migration. i mean, hhhh r— managing migration. i mean, hhrhp. r haw— managing migration. i mean, philip, i know his constituency . i know the red wall. they all voted ukip before. these were the people , a couple of million the people, a couple of million of them that had left labour, voted ukip voted brexit party voted ukip voted brexit party voted for boris. they now feel incredibly let down by him and by the conservative party. well they've been let down by a by generations. we they've been let down by a by generations . we have generations. we have structurally- generations. we have structurally we - gr; we have structurally we on the left generations. we have- structurally we on the left and the structurally we on the left and me hehr— structurally we on the left and the right abandoned ordinary eecere— the right abandoned ordinary people because— the right abandoned ordinary people because the world worked for me — people because the world worked her he apper— people because the world worked for the upper middle class and it for the upper middle class and h arch-r— for the upper middle class and it didn't work— for the upper middle class and it didn't work for— for the upper middle class and it didn't work for ordinary wcrhhe— it didn't work for ordinary working people. well, it used to be working people. well, it used to he he— working people. well, it used to he he caee— working people. well, it used to be the case that— working people. well, it used to be the case that people could secure a home,— be the case that people could secure a home, a— be the case that people could secure a home, a family life and earr— secure a home, a family life and ecrr cr— secure a home, a family life and some sort of future— secure a home, a family life and some sort of future with an ordinary— some sort of future with an crahaw waee. — some sort of future with an ordinary wage. we can't do that

ama— ordinary wage. we can't do that aha ece— ordinary wage. we can't do that now. and see a— ordinary wage. we can't do that now. and see a gp— ordinary wage. we can't do that now. ' r: c157” tr: ordinary wage. we can't do that now. ' “r: c13“ tr: t now. and see a gp and expect their kids to get on a housing well. the conservatives don't get— well. the conservatives don't eer re— well. the conservatives don't eer he he— well. the conservatives don't get is the state— well. the conservatives don't get is the state has- the conservatives don't get is the state has to work for ordinary— get is the state has to work for crahaw people_ get is the state has to work for ordinary people because that's all ordinary people because that's ah chew-we— ordinary people because that's ah rhew-we ecr— ordinary people because that's all they've got and what we have now since 2010— all they've got and what we have now since 2010 is— all they've got and what we have now since 2010 is a— all they've got and what we have now since 2010 is a completely awerahchchar— now since 2010 is a completely dysfunctional state that doesn't work— dysfunctional state that doesn't work ch— dysfunctional state that doesn't work on crime— dysfunctional state that doesn't work on crime ,_ dysfunctional state that doesn't work on crime , doesn't work on work on crime, doesn't work on heahh— work on crime, doesn't work on health, doesn't— work on crime, doesn't work on health, doesn't really work on eaacahch— health, doesn't really work on education, and— health, doesn't really work on education, and it— health, doesn't really work on education, and it doesn't work. aha— education, and it doesn't work. he he— education, and it doesn't work. he he chaw— education, and it doesn't work. and it's okay if— education, and it doesn't work. and it's okay if you've got mchew— and it's okay if you've got mchew aha— and it's okay if you've got money and wealth , but it's not money and wealth, but it's not if wea— money and wealth, but it's not h wcw aah-r.— money and wealth, but it's not if you don't. now— money and wealth, but it's not if you don't. now here's where i if you don't. now here's where i h heme— if you don't. now here's where i if boris because— if you don't. now here's where i if boris because boris remained a each— if boris because boris remained a social liberal— if boris because boris remained a social liberal and i think he rhea— a social liberal and i think he rhea rc— a social liberal and i think he tried to turn— a social liberal and i think he tried to turn the— a social liberal and i think he tried to turn the party towards hehhe— tried to turn the party towards helping rhre— tried to turn the party towards helping this constituency, but the parliamentary party isn't here— the parliamentary party isn't here .— the parliamentary party isn't here . he— the parliamentary party isn't there . he could— the parliamentary party isn't there . he could run as an there. he could run as an heareem— there. he could run as an heareem .— there. he could run as an insurgent. it— there. he could run as an insurgent . it we could see insurgent. it we could see a ehaahch— insurgent. it we could see a situation where— insurgent. it we could see a situation where the conservative party— situation where the conservative harry rceee— situation where the conservative party loses badly— situation where the conservative party loses badly and there reh-r— party loses badly and there reh-r ah— party loses badly and there isn't an obvious— party loses badly and there isn't an obvious leader they cowa— isn't an obvious leader they could become.— isn't an obvious leader they could become. if- isn't an obvious leader they could become. if you forgive me, he— could become. if you forgive me, he rech— could become. if you forgive me, like 19th century— could become. if you forgive me, like 19th century whigs , where like 19th century whigs, where macaw— like 19th century whigs, where nobody wha— like 19th century whigs, where nobody will vote _ like 19th century whigs, where nobody will vote for them hecaee— nobody will vote for them because the _ nobody will vote for them because the offer that people rer-ecr— because the offer that people reeecr wae— because the offer that people reject was the _ because the offer that people reject was the offer of liz rraee— reject was the offer of liz he he — reject was the offer of liz truss, the standard kind of conventional— truss, the standard kind of conventional tory 1980s offer.

rhar-e— conventional tory 1980s offer. rhar-e hhe — conventional tory 1980s offer. that's like 5%_ conventional tory 1980s offer. that's like 5% of— conventional tory 1980s offer. that's like 5% of the country. he— that's like 5% of the country. he parry— that's like 5% of the country. he parry re— that's like 5% of the country. the party is likely to congregate- the party is likely to congregate around that. and so rheh— congregate around that. and so rheh wow— congregate around that. and so rheh wcw eee— congregate around that. and so then you see the— congregate around that. and so then you see the possibility of then you see the possibility of me eraewe— then you see the possibility of the erasure on— then you see the possibility of the erasure on the right. so i ehh— the erasure on the right. so i ehh rhhh— the erasure on the right. so i still think it— the erasure on the right. so i still think it would be a mrerahe— still think it would be a mistake to— still think it would be a mistake to count him out on the hem— mistake to count him out on the hehr. awr— mistake to count him out on the hem. hwr rm— mistake to count him out on the right, but i'm counting him out in right, but i'm counting him out h rhe— right, but i'm counting him out in the conservative party. i rhmh— in the conservative party. i rhhh. r— in the conservative party. i think. i think— in the conservative party. i think that's right. but think. i think that's right. but aha— think. i think that's right. but and re— think. i think that's right. but and re me— think. i think that's right. but and to me, philip,— think. i think that's right. but and to me, philip, i- i think that's right. but and to me, philip, i was rhhhhe— and to me, philip, i was thinking about this. “ thinking about this. i mean, he mrehc— thinking about this. i mean, he mrehr erre— thinking about this. i mean, he might even fancy his chances in london. i mean, the tories have a short list of three to take on sadiq khan . not one of them is a sadiq khan. not one of them is a household name , and none of them household name, and none of them are be a household are likely to be a household name time election name by the time the election happens. london is an opportunity and then i thought actually boris has one big political legacy . it's that we political legacy. it's that we left european union whilst left the european union whilst he minister. i think he was prime minister. i think his future is outside, not inside the tory party, but the future of the tory party might not be that good, to be honest . not be that good, to be honest. if labour are elected and if labour are; elected and bring if labour are elected and bring in if labour are elected and bring h arcecrhchar— if labour are elected and bring in proportional representation aha— in proportional representation and ewewrhhe— in proportional representation and everything changes, then ewerwrhhe— and everything changes, then everything changes then, then you everything changes then, then wcw ca—

everything changes then, then wcw have— everything changes then, then wcw have a— everything changes then, then you can have a situation where a emah— you can have a situation where a emah ercwe— you can have a situation where a emah ercwe cr— you can have a situation where a small group of social and economic liberals don't control the economic liberals don't control rhe hehr— economic liberals don't control rhe hehr aha— economic liberals don't control the right and then you could have— the right and then you could have a— the right and then you could have a genuinely post—liberal party— have a genuinely post—liberal parry ch— have a genuinely post—liberal parry are he— have a genuinely post—liberal party on the right. have a genuinely post—liberal party on the right . and that i'm party on the right. and that i'm afraid— party on the right. and that i'm afraid .— party on the right. and that i'm afraid . re— party on the right. and that i'm afraid . re a— party on the right. and that i'm afraid , is a political afraid, is a political opportunity for people like heme— opportunity for people like heme aha— opportunity for people like boris and if— opportunity for people like boris and if he— opportunity for people like boris and if he can attune the rraeeaw— boris and if he can attune the rraeeaw whh— boris and if he can attune the tragedy with boris is he's the ehh.— tragedy with boris is he's the one. arche— tragedy with boris is he's the only, along with— tragedy with boris is he's the only, along with theresa may, whe— only, along with theresa may, who had— only, along with theresa may, who had a— only, along with theresa may, who had a similar kind of legacy heewearhea— who had a similar kind of legacy heewearhea rc— who had a similar kind of legacy bequeathed to her,— who had a similar kind of legacy bequeathed to her, is he's the ehh— bequeathed to her, is he's the one hhme— bequeathed to her, is he's the only prime minister who under eraew— only prime minister who under ercca char— only prime minister who under stood that there— only prime minister who under stood that there was a shift heeaea— stood that there was a shift heeaea aha— stood that there was a shift needed and the— stood that there was a shift needed and the tragedy is he ccwrah-r— needed and the tragedy is he ccwrah-r awh— needed and the tragedy is he couldn't pull it— needed and the tragedy is he couldn't pull it off. he ccwrah-r— couldn't pull it off. he couldn't move, say we need to get— couldn't move, say we need to eer rhere. — couldn't move, say we need to eer here. he— couldn't move, say we need to get there. he had— couldn't move, say we need to get there. he had no ability to reahee— get there. he had no ability to reahee haw— get there. he had no ability to realise how to— get there. he had no ability to realise how to get— get there. he had no ability to realise how to get there. “j r: realise how to get there. did he rearw— realise how to get there. did he really behave— realise how to get there. did he really believe in it? you see, this is this to me is interesting. i mean, he did join the brexit campaign i was the brexit campaign and i was very grateful to him because he helped get it over the line. helped us get it over the line. but he ever did he really but did he ever did he really believe it? i don't he believe it? i don't think he hehewea— believe it? i don't think he believed . brexit - believe it? i don't think he believed-brexit at- fl i don't think he believed brexit at kwasi believed in brexit at kwasi heare— believed in brexit at kwasi hrexh. hwr— believed in brexit at kwasi brexit. but i— believed in brexit at kwasi brexit. but i do— believed in brexit at kwasi brexit. but i do think he hehewea— brexit. but i do think he believed-the- brexit. but i do think he believed the economic and believed in the economic and rrahchree— believed in the economic and franchise-of- believed in the economic and franchise of ordinary

franchise easement of ordinary people— franchise easement of ordinary people aha— franchise easement of ordinary people and he— franchise easement of ordinary people and he didn't believe in the people and he didn't believe in me cwhwre— people and he didn't believe in the culture wars— people and he didn't believe in the culture wars .— people and he didn't believe in the culture wars . he was and is the culture wars. he was and is a each— the culture wars. he was and is a social liberal. _ the culture wars. he was and is a social liberal. he- the culture wars. he was and is a social liberal. rzi; a social liberal. he is a metropolitan liberal. he's a metropolitan liberal. he's a metropolitan liberal- t“ l he's a metropolitan liberal socialist. he metropolitan liberal socialist. he re— metropolitan liberal socialist. he he a— metropolitan liberal socialist. he is a london— metropolitan liberal socialist. he is a london luvvie- metropolitan liberal socialist. he is a london luvvie in- metropolitan liberal socialist. he is a london luvvie in so many ways. when london's odd, isn't it though, because it's also the most socially conservative part of britain. no one ever talks ahcwr— of britain. no one ever talks ahcwr rhre— of britain. no one ever talks about this, but— of britain. no one ever talks about this, but not- “ no one ever talks about this, but not the upper mache— about this, but not the upper middle class— about this, but not the upper middle class white no, but in rerme— middle class white no, but in rerme h— middle class white no, but in terms in terms— middle class white no, but in terms in terms of— middle class white no, but in terms in terms of popular achch— terms in terms of popular achch rhe— terms in terms of popular action, the minor rmt voters are rehercwe— action, the minor rmt voters are rehercwe aha— action, the minor rmt voters are religious and very— action, the minor rmt voters are religious and very conservative. wee. — religious and very conservative. wee. sc— religious and very conservative. yes. so london— religious and very conservative. yes. so london is— religious and very conservative. yes. so london is paradoxically the yes. so london is paradoxically rhe mcer— yes. so london is paradoxically the most liberal— yes. so london is paradoxically the most liberal and the most ccheerwahwe— the most liberal and the most conservative place in britain. yeah.— conservative place in britain. weah. sc— conservative place in britain. yeah. so r— conservative place in britain. yeah. so i would— conservative place in britain. yeah. so i would say that the ecraheahch— yeah. so i would say that the polarisation ,_ yeah. so i would say that the polarisation , the— yeah. so i would say that the polarisation , the fragmentation polarisation, the fragmentation of hrrheh— polarisation, the fragmentation of british politics— polarisation, the fragmentation of british politics hasn't erceeea— of british politics hasn't erceeea rhe— of british politics hasn't stopped the conservative party is stopped the conservative party re ch— stopped the conservative party he are he— stopped the conservative party is on the brink— stopped the conservative party is on the brink of— stopped the conservative party is on the brink of a historic rahwre— is on the brink of a historic failure because— is on the brink of a historic failure because it cannot deal wrrh— failure because it cannot deal whh reahw— failure because it cannot deal with reality. it— failure because it cannot deal with reality. it remains trapped out with reality. it remains trapped cwr h— with reality. it remains trapped cwr h h— with reality. it remains trapped cwr h h rhe— with reality. it remains trapped out in in the park— with reality. it remains trapped out in in the park. with reality. it remains trapped out in in the park . but if we out in in the park. but if we get— out in in the park. but if we eer rahcwr— out in in the park. but if we get labour and— out in in the park. but if we get labour and if- out in in the park. but if we get labour and if we get arcecrhchar— get labour and if we get proportional representation, ewerwrhhe— proportional representation, everything changes. yes. well i'll everything changes. yes. well r-h reh— everything changes. yes. well r-h reh vou— everything changes. yes. well i'll tell you what, i might get hwcwea—

i'll tell you what, i might get involved again,— i'll tell you what, i might get involved again, if— i'll tell you what, i might get involved again, if we get arcecrhchar— involved again, if we get proportional representation and it proportional representation and h wcwra— proportional representation and h we re— proportional representation and h we he a— proportional representation and it would be a very, very different— it would be a very, very different world. ' “r: : different world. and i wonder final thought on that. there are some that think that pr would give us a permanent the daily mail, for example, would give us a permanent centre left majority . at the brexit . and yet looking at the brexit result in a referendum that's not guaranteed at all, is it? i don't think it is guaranteed and i don't think it is guaranteed and r rhhh— don't think it is guaranteed and r rhhh char— don't think it is guaranteed and i think that that— don't think it is guaranteed and i think that that we are eehrrhe— i think that that we are splitting down the middle like america— splitting down the middle like amehca .— splitting down the middle like america . yeah,— splitting down the middle like america . yeah, i— splitting down the middle like america . yeah, i was speaking to america. yeah, i was speaking to ecmehcaw— america. yeah, i was speaking to ecmehcaw whe— america. yeah, i was speaking to somebody who knows american echhce— somebody who knows american echhce very— somebody who knows american politics very well— somebody who knows american politics very well and they rate rrwme-e— politics very well and they rate trump's chances— politics very well and they rate trump's chances against biden as hearer— trump's chances against biden as herrer rhah— trump's chances against biden as better than the— trump's chances against biden as better than the last— trump's chances against biden as better than the last time, which aeah— better than the last time, which aeah re— better than the last time, which again is against— better than the last time, which again is against conventional merom— again is against conventional wreacm. rech— again is against conventional wisdom. look the situation for ordinary— wisdom. look the situation for crahaw people_ wisdom. look the situation for ordinary people in this country hen-r— ordinary people in this country reh-r eche— ordinary people in this country reh-r eche rc— ordinary people in this country isn't going to get— ordinary people in this country isn't going to get any better. we isn't going to get any better. we haven-r— isn't going to get any better. we haven't solved the product hww— we haven't solved the product hww — we haven't solved the product tivity crisis. so— we haven't solved the product tivity crisis. so therefore , we tivity crisis. so therefore, we aah-r— tivity crisis. so therefore, we aah-r have— tivity crisis. so therefore, we don't have the— tivity crisis. so therefore, we don't have the money to support people— don't have the money to support eecere .— don't have the money to support people . aha— don't have the money to support people . and that— don't have the money to support people . and that precedes that people. and that precedes that eaee— people. and that precedes that ecee hack— people. and that precedes that goes back arguably even before the financial— goes back arguably even before the financial crisis, all of our ecwemhe— the financial crisis, all of our governing classes have conventional- governing classes have conventional ideas that have rahea— conventional ideas that have rahea aha— conventional ideas that have failed and will— conventional ideas that have failed and will continue to rah. — failed and will continue to fail. therefore,— failed and will continue to fail. therefore, the chances of

weak— fail. therefore, the chances of break we— fail. therefore, the chances of break up fragmenting and entropy are break up fragmenting and entropy very— break up fragmenting and entropy wew mwch— break up fragmenting and entropy are very much on— break up fragmenting and entropy are very much on the cards. i aeree— are very much on the cards. i aeree whh— are very much on the cards. i aeree whh yew.— are very much on the cards. i agree with you, phillip blonde. rhamh— agree with you, phillip blonde. rhahh wow— agree with you, phillip blonde. rhamh you wear— agree with you, phillip blonde. thank you very much- agree with you, phillip blonde. thank you very much indeed. and the earthquake that was brexit. what we're seeing really are still the aftershocks. and i agree with philip blonde. i think in the next five years we could see some very, very major changes. could see some very, very major changes . now, in a moment, we're changes. now, in a moment, we're going to talk mortgages. of course, we are ordinary folk suffering massive squeeze on buy to let because that's now become a disaster. we'll ask in a moment how bad is the mortgage crisis going to get .

news radio. well, it's \ ?tr: well, it's happened. news radio. well, it's happened. awerraha— news radio. well, it's happened. australia have— news radio. well, it's happened. australia have won— news radio. well, it's happened. australia have won the- \ 3tr: well, it's happened. australia have won the first aehee— australia have won the first aehee reer— australia have won the first ashes test and— australia have won the first ashes test and they've won it at rhe— ashes test and they've won it at me ch— ashes test and they've won it at me are he— ashes test and they've won it at 7:15 on the fifth— ashes test and they've won it at 7:15 on the fifth day of the her— 7:15 on the fifth day of the reer march — 7:15 on the fifth day of the test match i've— 7:15 on the fifth day of the test match i've a feeling with

raw— test match i've a feeling with raw reer— test match i've a feeling with four test matches— test match i've a feeling with four test matches to go and chew-h— four test matches to go and chew-h ah— four test matches to go and they'll all be— four test matches to go and they'll all be crammed in herweeh.— they'll all be crammed in between. now— they'll all be crammed in between. now and the end of july char— between. now and the end of july rhar rhre— between. now and the end of july that this could— between. now and the end of july that this could well— between. now and the end of july that this could well be 2005 all aeah.— that this could well be 2005 all over again. remember that when the over again. remember that when he aehee— over again. remember that when the ashes cricket— over again. remember that when the ashes cricket literally gripped— the ashes cricket literally erheea rhe — the ashes cricket literally gripped the country and this is an amazhe— gripped the country and this is an amazing contest between two reame— an amazing contest between two reame char— an amazing contest between two teams that are— an amazing contest between two teams that are very equally marchea. — teams that are very equally matched. yes,— teams that are very equally matched. yes, i'm a bit gutted char— matched. yes, i'm a bit gutted that australia— matched. yes, i'm a bit gutted that australia won what i rhcwehr— that australia won what i rhcwehr we— that australia won what i thought we probably would, but i'll thought we probably would, but r-h reh— thought we probably would, but r-h reh yew— thought we probably would, but i'll tell you what— thought we probably would, but i'll tell you what lord's next week— i'll tell you what lord's next week re— i'll tell you what lord's next week he eche— i'll tell you what lord's next week is going to— i'll tell you what lord's next week is going to be absolutely carc— week is going to be absolutely eerc aha— week is going to be absolutely epic and luckily— week is going to be absolutely epic and luckily for me, i'll be here— epic and luckily for me, i'll be here .— epic and luckily for me, i'll be here . haw.— epic and luckily for me, i'll be here . how. r— epic and luckily for me, i'll be there . now, i asked you in the there. now, i asked you in the hehr— there. now, i asked you in the hehr cr— there. now, i asked you in the hem or he— there. now, i asked you in the light of this hate— there. now, i asked you in the light of this hate preacher char-e— light of this hate preacher that's come— light of this hate preacher that's come in— light of this hate preacher that's come in from bangladesh , that's come in from bangladesh, is that's come in from bangladesh, he he— that's come in from bangladesh, he he heme— that's come in from bangladesh, is the home office— that's come in from bangladesh, is the home office asleep at the wheeh— is the home office asleep at the wheeh seme— is the home office asleep at the wheel? some of— is the home office asleep at the wheel? some of your thoughts ? wheel? some of your thoughts? swam— wheel? some of your thoughts? srwarr eawe — wheel? some of your thoughts? srwarr eawe he— wheel? some of your thoughts? stuart says, no, not asleep . stuart says, no, not asleep. cemeham— stuart says, no, not asleep. compliant and— stuart says, no, not asleep. compliant and accommodating . one compliant and accommodating. one ahcrher— compliant and accommodating. one ahcrher eawe— compliant and accommodating. one ahcrher eawe — compliant and accommodating. one another says no. that— compliant and accommodating. one another says no. that would imply— another says no. that would rmew chew— another says no. that would rmew hey are— another says no. that would imply they are not meaning to ahcw— imply they are not meaning to ahcw rhre— imply they are not meaning to allow this to— imply they are not meaning to allow this to continue. this he— allow this to continue. this he re— allow this to continue. this this is deliberate . goodness this is deliberate. goodness eracrcwe— this is deliberate. goodness eracrcwe me— this is deliberate. goodness gracious me. kevin says it isn't her— gracious me. kevin says it isn't he he— gracious me. kevin says it isn't he he hare— gracious me. kevin says it isn't just the hate preacher is a archrem. — just the hate preacher is a problem. most— just the hate preacher is a problem. most of the attendees wha— problem. most of the attendees war he— problem. most of the attendees will be extremist,— problem. most of the attendees will be extremist, in their wew— will be extremist, in their rc— will be extremist, in their view, to there'll be similar

individuals— view, to there'll be similar individuals all— view, to there'll be similar individuals all over the country aha— individuals all over the country and che— individuals all over the country and one viewer— individuals all over the country and one viewer says, i think chew-re— and one viewer says, i think chew-re h— and one viewer says, i think chew-re h a— and one viewer says, i think they're in a coma- and one viewer says, i think they're in a coma. and one viewer says, i think they're in a coma . well, there they're in a coma. well, there is they're in a coma. well, there he erear— they're in a coma. well, there he erear wcrw— they're in a coma. well, there is great worry around these ewhr-ecre— is great worry around these ewh-ecre aha— is great worry around these subjects and i— is great worry around these subjects and i have to say, i rhhh— subjects and i have to say, i rhhh chew— subjects and i have to say, i think they are— subjects and i have to say, i think they are very much under hrcaacaer— think they are very much under hrcaacaer ch— think they are very much under broadcast on the— think they are very much under broadcast on the other so—called mahereamr— broadcast on the other so—called mainstream channels. now merreaeee— mainstream channels. now merreaeee are— mainstream channels. now mortgages are becoming a very , mortgages are becoming a very, wew— mortgages are becoming a very, wew rear— mortgages are becoming a very, very real problem— mortgages are becoming a very, very real problem for the first hme— very real problem for the first hme h— very real problem for the first hme h mam.— very real problem for the first time in many, many years, those whh— time in many, many years, those whh a— time in many, many years, those whh a merreaee— time in many, many years, those with a mortgage are seeing aramahc— with a mortgage are seeing dramatic increases in their mchrhw— dramatic increases in their monthly repayments. there is, of course, an upside— monthly repayments. there is, of course, an upside to this and char— course, an upside to this and rhar re— course, an upside to this and rhar re char— course, an upside to this and that is that savers are now eerrhe— that is that savers are now eerrhe a— that is that savers are now getting a return- that is that savers are now getting a return on their cash mew — getting a return on their cash mew r— getting a return on their cash mone-y rrhhh— getting a return on their cash money. i think what's really haeeehhe— money. i think what's really haeeehhe re— money. i think what's really happening is we're returning to hermahw— happening is we're returning to hermahw .— happening is we're returning to hermahw . hr— happening is we're returning to normality . re normality is happening is we're returning to normality. re normality is an hrereer— normality. re normality is an interest rate,— normality. re normality is an interest rate, a— normality. re normality is an interest rate, a 3— normality. re normality is an interest rate, a 3 or 4 or 5. we-we— interest rate, a 3 or 4 or 5. we-we heeh— interest rate, a 3 or 4 or 5. we've been through two decades of we've been through two decades or armcer— we've been through two decades of almost zero— we've been through two decades of almost zero interest rates . of almost zero interest rates. ahchs— of almost zero interest rates. ahhhs r— of almost zero interest rates. aukus i don't— of almost zero interest rates. aukus i don't believe that's hehehrea— aukus i don't believe that's benefited us— aukus i don't believe that's benefited us one little bit. but now we are where _ benefited us one little bit. but now we are where we are and a lot now we are where we are and a war cr— now we are where we are and a her or eecere— now we are where we are and a her or people are— now we are where we are and a lot of people are facing very rear— lot of people are facing very real problems— lot of people are facing very real problems in— lot of people are facing very real problems in the short term. war,— real problems in the short term. weh. hen— real problems in the short term. well, ben beadle— real problems in the short term. well, ben beadle is chief eecwhe— well, ben beadle is chief executive of— well, ben beadle is chief

executive of the national hahchcrae— executive of the national landlords association . and ben, landlords association. and ben, her-e— landlords association. and ben, her-e erarr— landlords association. and ben, let's start with— landlords association. and ben, let's start with your sector . a let's start with your sector. a lot let's start with your sector. a war cr— let's start with your sector. a her or eeche— let's start with your sector. a lot of people over the last few weare— lot of people over the last few weare have— lot of people over the last few weare hawe ecr— lot of people over the last few years have got into the buy to let years have got into the buy to her marker— years have got into the buy to let market and— years have got into the buy to let market and now, you know, wcwra— let market and now, you know, some would argue— let market and now, you know, some would argue they were eeecwrarcre — some would argue they were speculators, but— some would argue they were speculators, but there is now a rear— speculators, but there is now a rear arehem— speculators, but there is now a real problem, isn't— speculators, but there is now a real problem, isn't there? hecaee— real problem, isn't there? hecaee h— real problem, isn't there? because if you - real problem, isn't there? because if you borrowed money to buy because if you borrowed money to hww a— because if you borrowed money to hww a home— because if you borrowed money to he a hcwee rc— because if you borrowed money to buy a house to let— because if you borrowed money to buy a house to let it— because if you borrowed money to buy a house to let it, you can't whe— buy a house to let it, you can't wrhe ch— buy a house to let it, you can't wrhe ch rhe — buy a house to let it, you can't write off the mortgage against the write off the mortgage against me hceme— write off the mortgage against me .— write off the mortgage against the income . so— write off the mortgage against the income . so what's going to the income. so what's going to happen— the income. so what's going to happen e — the income. so what's going to happen ? evening,— the income. so what's going to happen ? “g \r 92; the income. so what's going to happen ? “r; \r gr: happen? evening, nigel. well, you're right. and we've spoken about this on this show before, haven't we? you know, this mortgage problem comes at a monumental time for the sector where we've not only got mortgages to worry about, but we have the ability, the inability to offset our full mortgage interest against our tax returns. we have the threat of regulation. we have the threat of energy. and there will be people, like you said at the outset who are looking across at the they can get at the the rates they can get at the bank thinking, crikey , i'm bank and thinking, crikey, i'm not to be kicked from not going to be kicked from pillar and i'll get pillar to post and i'll get a quiet life. i might consider

that. and that's bad news for everybody. yeah, i think is. everybody. yeah, i think it is. aha— everybody. yeah, i think it is. me mere— everybody. yeah, i think it is. and more generally,- twig : yeah, i think it is. and more generally, i mean, for rheee—raheh- those people who've taken out merreaeee— those people who've taken out merreaeee .— those people who've taken out merreaeee . kha— those people who've taken out mortgages , kind of, you know, mortgages, kind of, you know, ree— mortgages, kind of, you know, wheee wewre— mortgages, kind of, you know, unless you're 40— mortgages, kind of, you know, unless you're 40 years old, you can-r— unless you're 40 years old, you cah-r rearw— unless you're 40 years old, you can't really remember when merreaeee— can't really remember when mortgages were— can't really remember when mortgages were expensive. i hew he— mortgages were expensive. i hew he a— mortgages were expensive. i mean, how big a crisis, ben, do wew— mean, how big a crisis, ben, do wew rhhh— mean, how big a crisis, ben, do wew rhhh were— mean, how big a crisis, ben, do you think we're headed for? warh— you think we're headed for? weh. r— you think we're headed for? well, i think— you think we're headed for? well, i think it's— you think we're headed for? well, i think it's going- you think we're headed for? well, i think it's going to depend what happens in a couple of days time when we're due another review of the base rate. and i think that direction of travel is pretty much well trailed . and the only way is up. trailed. and the only way is up. it feels to coin my favourite 80s classic, but but, but i think the bank of england are suggesting that the rates are going to stay high for some time and that is going to be very problematic because, you know, land lords and property owners don't anywhere else don't really have anywhere else to . we've seen rents that are to go. we've seen rents that are fairly record highs for the past decade since the past ten years, and that's having a devastating impact on not just renters, but also the private rented sector as a whole, where we don't have

enough homes to start with. and it is a real cataclysmic crisis in the making. it is. and yet, you know, in the making. it is. and yet, wew mew. hw— in the making. it is. and yet, you know, but i— in the making. it is. and yet, you know, but i made- “ “g e and yet, you know, but i made the point earher— you know, but i made the point earher char— you know, but i made the point earlier that actually i think we're we are returning to hermahw— we're we are returning to normality after a two decade aherraheh— normality after a two decade aherraheh .— normality after a two decade aberration , but— normality after a two decade aberration , but that takes aberration, but that takes a hwee— aberration, but that takes a hwee amewhr— aberration, but that takes a huge amount of— aberration, but that takes a huge amount of adjustment. i hee— huge amount of adjustment. i hee hee— huge amount of adjustment. i also wonder, you— huge amount of adjustment. i also wonder, you know, david cameron, george— also wonder, you know, david cameron, george osborne were rearw— cameron, george osborne were reahw .— cameron, george osborne were reahw . rearw— cameron, george osborne were really , really keen to push , you really, really keen to push, you chew.— really, really keen to push, you knew. re— really, really keen to push, you knew. re eer— really, really keen to push, you know, to get new— really, really keen to push, you know, to get new buyers into the marker.— know, to get new buyers into the marker. here— know, to get new buyers into the marker. here re— know, to get new buyers into the market, help to buy by the big eewerhmem— market, help to buy by the big government initiative. people whe— government initiative. people whe chew-r— government initiative. people who didn't really have the money to who didn't really have the money re hw— who didn't really have the money re he he— who didn't really have the money to buy houses. those were given hew— to buy houses. those were given here re— to buy houses. those were given some help to do— to buy houses. those were given some help to do it.— to buy houses. those were given some help to do it. and i'm eweeehe— some help to do it. and i'm eweeehe a— some help to do it. and i'm eweeehe a rer— some help to do it. and i'm guessing a lot of- some help to do it. and i'm guessing a lot of those people are guessing a lot of those people eche— guessing a lot of those people eehe re— guessing a lot of those people eehe re he— guessing a lot of those people are going to be very seriously achr— are going to be very seriously eehr rraeeeh — are going to be very seriously debt trapped. now / debt trapped. now yeah, i think char-e— debt trapped. now yeah, i think that's right. but but it's also i'm pains to stress that bear i'm at pains to stress that bear in testing has in mind that stress testing has beenin in mind that stress testing has been in for the past 6 or 7 years, and that was kind of geared against the crisis such as these. so that people would be able to ride it out. but you're absolutely right. you know, those sort of encouragements around , you know, encouragements around, you know, 0% mortgages and we saw , um, or

0% mortgages and we saw, um, or zero deposit mortgages rather, and we saw a few weeks or so ago those being reintroduced. that doesn't seem to be the best time . what we need to see is actually a resetting of the tax system. we need to make it more beneficial to bring your home to the market and to make sure that people do have the right sort of homes in the right sort of places. and that's also a problem in itself. yeah, but of course,imean, you- “ yeah, but of course, mean, you know, the course, i mean, you know, the reahw— course, i mean, you know, the reahw er— course, i mean, you know, the reality of this— course, i mean, you know, the reality of this i— course, i mean, you know, the reality of this i mean, i was rarhhe— reality of this i mean, i was rawhe raer— reality of this i mean, i was talking last night south talking last night in the south rah— talking last night in the south raer ahewr— talking last night in the south east about-huge- talking last night in the south east about huge number of east about the huge number of he— east about the huge number of houses-built— east about the huge number of houses-built in- east about the huge number of houses built in sussex and houses being built in sussex and hem— houses being built in sussex and hehr-memehr.— houses being built in sussex and kent-moment. and- houses being built in sussex and kent moment. and now kent at the moment. and now wewewaer-r— kent at the moment. and now we've water shortages and we've got water shortages and all we've got water shortages and ah rhe— we've got water shortages and all the problems— we've got water shortages and all the problems that go along whh— all the problems that go along whh char.— all the problems that go along with that. .at_ all the problems that go along with that. at minute with that. and at the minute we're building— with that. and at the minute we're building about 180,000 hemee— we're building about 180,000 hemee a— we're building about 180,000 hemee a wear.— we're building about 180,000 homes a year. it's nowhere near eheweh— homes a year. it's nowhere near eheweh re— homes a year. it's nowhere near eheweh re eaee— homes a year. it's nowhere near enough to ease any— homes a year. it's nowhere near enough to ease any of this cwere— enough to ease any of this re— enough to ease any of this crisis, is it?— enough to ease any of this crisis, is it? no,— enough to ease any of this crisis, is it? no, it's not. hwe— crisis, is it? no, it's not. aha he— crisis, is it? no, it's not. and it's also— crisis, is it? no, it's not. and it's also there- crisis, is it? no, it's not. and it's also there there are different types of crisis because there will be people that are looking at this. nigel and thinking, oh, well, that's good. landlords are selling. that's going to free up homes for time buyers. well we for first time buyers. well we don't have enough in the

don't have enough homes in the private sector anyway. private rented sector anyway. rents record high. rents are a record high. as i said, for the past ten years, we have a crisis of confidence . so have a crisis of confidence. so it's and good it's all well and good to shuffle pack. if you're shuffle the pack. but if you're reducing one sector or robbing peter to pay paul actually that's in nobody's interest because you do need a vibrant private rented sector to turn gen rent into gen buy. yeah final thought. it's very odd . final thought. it's very odd. here— final thought. it's very odd. here we— final thought. it's very odd. here we are on— final thought. it's very odd. here we are on the verge of the rech— here we are on the verge of the rerh rare — here we are on the verge of the 13th rate rise,— here we are on the verge of the 13th rate rise, consecutive rate we— 13th rate rise, consecutive rate rise r— 13th rate rise, consecutive rate . wer— 13th rate rise, consecutive rate . wer rhe— 13th rate rise, consecutive rate rise , yet the eurozone is now in rise, yet the eurozone is now in . hw— rise, yet the eurozone is now in recession , but we're still recession, but we're still overheating _ recession, but we're still overheating with inflation. an whar— overheating with inflation. an whar wewa— overheating with inflation. an what would you _ overheating with inflation. an what would you say, ben, to the ham— what would you say, ben, to the bank er— what would you say, ben, to the bank of england— what would you say, ben, to the bank of england ahead of their meehhee— bank of england ahead of their meeting? would— bank of england ahead of their meeting? would you say freeze or wewa— meeting? would you say freeze or weha wew— meeting? would you say freeze or wehe wew eaw— meeting? would you say freeze or would you say raise? well i eweh— would you say raise? well i mean, given the— would you say raise? well i mean, given the direction of wave— mean, given the direction of have re— mean, given the direction of travel is for— mean, given the direction of travel is for a— mean, given the direction of travel is for a low inflationary environment,— travel is for a low inflationary environment, i— travel is for a low inflationary environment, i don't think that whar— environment, i don't think that whar ahwheew— environment, i don't think that what anybody says is going to waeh. — what anybody says is going to waeh. r— what anybody says is going to wash. i suspect— what anybody says is going to wash. i suspect the- what anybody says is going to wash. i suspect the interest rates will go up . um, it's rates will go up. um, it's a question of by how much, whether it's 0.2, 5 or 0.5. but i do think the government needs to take action to help renters and to help homeowners. it's no point calling in mortgage

lenders for a talking shop. we need to see hard action and we need to see hard action and we need to see tax breaks as soon as possible . so tax breaks as as possible. so tax breaks as eaeeeea— as possible. so tax breaks as eaeeeee re— as possible. so tax breaks as opposed to bailouts?- so tax breaks as opposed to bailouts? yeah aheerwrew. — opposed to bailouts? yeah absolutely. t “ opposed to bailouts? yeah- absolutely. because bear in mind , george osborne changed these tax breaks for landlords a few years ago , and this is years ago, and this is exacerbating the crisis. it's not a giveaway. it's simply being able to offset your legitimate business expense off your income . simple. ben beadle your income. simple. ben beadle i get it. otherwise, it's like paying— i get it. otherwise, it's like paying corporation- gill . otherwise, it's like paying corporation tax on the ewe— paying corporation tax on the ereee hceme— paying corporation tax on the gross income of— paying corporation tax on the gross income of a company and not gross income of a company and her he— gross income of a company and her he her— gross income of a company and not the net profit.— gross income of a company and not the net profit. i get it. roe.— not the net profit. i get it. he rhahh— not the net profit. i get it. 100. thank you- not the net profit. i get it. 100. thank you forjoining me, 100. thank you for joining me, rerhe. — 100. thank you for joining me, rerhe. rhe— 100. thank you for joining me, folks. the housing crisis will get— folks. the housing crisis will eer weree— folks. the housing crisis will eer rm— folks. the housing crisis will get worse, i'm afraid. now in a memer— get worse, i'm afraid. now in a memer rhre— get worse, i'm afraid. now in a moment. this is— get worse, i'm afraid. now in a moment. this is extra ordinary chwch— moment. this is extra ordinary chwrch er— moment. this is extra ordinary church of england— moment. this is extra ordinary church of england vicars want to pay church of england vicars want to raw wee— church of england vicars want to pay .— church of england vicars want to pay . r— church of england vicars want to pay rise . i wonder,— church of england vicars want to pay rise . i wonder, could they pay rise. i wonder, could they he— pay rise. i wonder, could they even be threatening a strike? cewra— even be threatening a strike? cewra rhre— even be threatening a strike? could this be— even be threatening a strike? could this be the next strike achehe— could this be the next strike action? could— could this be the next strike action? could vicars be going ew— action? could vicars be going ewr eh— action? could vicars be going out on strike?— action? could vicars be going out on strike? would examine all of out on strike? would examine all er char— out on strike? would examine all er rhar h— out on strike? would examine all er rhar h her— out on strike? would examine all of that in just a— out on strike? would examine all

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channel. britain's news. channel so channel. britain's news. channel se chwch— channel. britain's news. channel se chwch er— channel. britain's news. channel so church of england vicars are hemahahe— so church of england vicars are hemahchhe a— so church of england vicars are eemahehe a pay— so church of england vicars are demanding a pay rise because rhew— demanding a pay rise because he wahr— demanding a pay rise because rhew wam re— demanding a pay rise because they want to keep up with the ceer— they want to keep up with the ceer er— they want to keep up with the cost of living— they want to keep up with the cost of living crisis. \rrt:rwrr' they want to keep up with the cost of living crisis. \rrijr�*rh' cost of living crisis. now we hear— cost of living crisis. now we hear he.— cost of living crisis. now we hear this, of course, from all sorts of different sectors and nobody for one moment would pretend that vicars were well paid. i think it is the paid. but i think it is the first time we've actually seen vicars demanding a pay rise . vicars demanding a pay rise. well, joining me to discuss that and much more is doctor ian paul and much more is doctor ian paul, associate minister at saint nick's church in nottingham , and paul, before we nottingham, and paul, before we begin, ian, before we begin , i begin, ian, before we begin, i must just ask about the horrendous atrocities that took place in nottingham just a few days ago , and i wonder , you days ago, and i wonder, you know, has the church been playing an active role there? i hopeit playing an active role there? i hope it has over the course of the last week , yes, extremely the last week, yes, extremely active. i mean, individual cehereeahehe— trt. i mean, individual congregations, diocese leaders as congregations, diocese leaders ae wew— congregations, diocese leaders ae weh. area— congregations, diocese leaders as well, area leaders . so they as well, area leaders. so they eweeeh— as well, area leaders. so they were present at— as well, area leaders. so they

were present at the vigil the ewe— were present at the vigil the erher hrehr— were present at the vigil the other night at— were present at the vigil the other night at the at the square in other night at the at the square h werrheham.— other night at the at the square in nottingham. and we've we've weew— in nottingham. and we've we've been heehhe— in nottingham. and we've we've been hosting prayer meetings as weh— been hosting prayer meetings as weh .— been hosting prayer meetings as weh . aha— been hosting prayer meetings as weh . aha er— been hosting prayer meetings as well . and of course, clergy, well. and of course, clergy, hcrwchhe— well. and of course, clergy, including the _ well. and of course, clergy, including the chaplains at the whwerehw— including the chaplains at the university, have— including the chaplains at the university, have been very ache— university, have been very achwe h— university, have been very active in praying for people. we-we— active in praying for people. we-we-a— active in praying for people. we've a significant we've got a significant student eecheh— we've got a significant student eecheh h— we've got a significant student section in our— we've got a significant student section in our congregation and wew— section in our congregation and wew chew.— section in our congregation and wew hhew. rer— section in our congregation and you know, for students at the whwerehw— you know, for students at the university, this _ you know, for students at the university, this is— you know, for students at the university, this is this is eemerhhe— university, this is this is something really, really ehechwe— something really, really shocking. - i - something really, really shocking. i think shocking. and i think particularly- particularly for young people, you— particularly for young people, you-i— particularly for young people, wew-r eweee— you know, i guess there's a sense in which— you know, i guess there's a sense in which young people rhhh— sense in which young people rhhh chew-re— sense in which young people think they're kind of kind of he— think they're kind of kind of live forever. _ think they're kind of kind of live forever.-this- think they're kind of kind of live forever. this kind live forever. and so this kind of live forever. and so this kind er-re— live forever. and so this kind er-re a— live forever. and so this kind er-re a rear— live forever. and so this kind of-is a real-to. live forever. and so this kind. of-is a real-to them of thing is a real shock to them aha— of thing is a real shock to them which— of thing is a real shock to them and real challenge. so, yes, and a real challenge. so, yes, he— and a real challenge. so, yes, the churches—havel and a real challenge. so, yes,- the churches—have been the churches have been have been here— the churches have been have been ahere-wawhe— the churches have been have been here-wawhe er— the churches have been have been there, praying of lending there, been praying of lending eweeeh— there, been praying of lending eweeeh-hehe— there, been praying of lending support being alongside support and being alongside eeche— support and being alongside eeche ar— support and being alongside eeche ar every— support and being alongside people at every yeah. people at every stage. yeah. now tell people at every stage. yeah. now ecu-rawh— people at every stage. yeah. now tell-paul, you're- people at every stage. yeah. now tell-paul, you're all- tell me, dr. paul, you're all hecaee— tell me, dr. paul, you're all because a bunch- tell me, dr. paul, you're all because a bunch left wing because a bunch of left wing mhhahre— because a bunch of left wing militants in— because a bunch of left wing militants in the— because a bunch of left wing militants in the church of rheraha— militants in the church of england and— militants in the church of england and you're threatening ecwhe— england and you're threatening strike-unless— england and you're threatening strike - unless you - england and you're threatening strike unless you get strike action unless you get hceaeea— strike action unless you get hceaeee paw.— strike action unless you get increased pay. _ strike action unless you get increased pay. g“7 strike action unless you get increased pay. ” g“7 q" increased pay. is that right? or not? no, increased pay. is that right? or new he. he— increased pay. is that right? or not? no, it's not— increased pay. is that right? or not? no, it's not at— increased pay. is that right? or not? no, it's not at all.- increased pay. ” g“7 q" “rtr7 no, it's not at all. and not? no, it's not at all. and i rhhh— not? no, it's not at all. and i rhhh ae— not? no, it's not at all. and i think, as you'll— not? no, it's not at all. and i think, as you'll be— “rtr7 no, it's not at all. and i think, as you'll be aware, weer.— think, as you'll be aware, nigelr pewte— think, as you'll be aware, nigel, people don't go into eraahea— nigel, people don't go into ordained ministry in any of the chwchee— ordained ministry in any of the churches because— ordained ministry in any of the churches because it's well paid, ahheweh— churches because it's well paid, ahheweh er— churches because it's well paid, although of course, people say the although of course, people say he henehh— although of course, people say the benefit, benefits the benefit, the benefits are ew— the benefit, the benefits are ewr-wehh — the benefit, the benefits are out-world. you - the benefit, the benefits are out world. you know, out of this world. you know, eeche— out of this world. you know, people-ordained- out of this world. you know, people-ordained they people are ordained because they hehewe—cea-e-

people are ordained because they believe god's called believe that's what god's called rhem — believe that's what god's called rhem re— believe that's what god's called rhem re aha— believe that's what god's called them to and they— believe that's what god's called them to and they are called to, in them to and they are called to, h rhe— them to and they are called to, h rhe weree— them to and they are called to, in the words of— them to and they are called to, in the words of the— them to and they are called to, in the words of the words a in the words of the words of a reeeh— in the words of the words of a each h— in the words of the words of a report in-church- in the words of the words of a report in church from the report in the church from the chwch— report in the church from the church—that- report in the church from the church _that was. report in the church from the. church _that was part church of england that was part of church of england that was part er-zo— church of england that was part er-zo weare— church of england that was part er-zo weare aee- church of england that was part of 20 years ago. we of actually 20 years ago. we hwe— of actually 20 years ago. we hwe hw— of actually 20 years ago. we hwe hw eh— of actually 20 years ago. we live by, on .one- of actually 20 years ago. we live by, on one hand, live by, on the one hand, eehereerw— live by, on the one hand, generosity-the - live by, on the one hand, generosity the other hand by generosity and the other hand by eachhce— generosity and the other hand by sacrifice. there— generosity and the other hand by sacrifice. there are— generosity and the other hand by sacrifice. there are of sacrifice. there are plenty of eacwhce— sacrifice. there are plenty of sacrifice - have - sacrifice. there are plenty of sacrifice - have to i sacrifice. there are plenty of sacrifice have to have sacrifice that you have to have to sacrifice that you have to have re-wew — sacrifice that you have to have re-wew chew.— sacrifice that you have to have to you know, involved in to make. you know, involved in mhehw— to make. you know, involved in mhreww r— to make. you know, involved in ministry. i think— to make. you know, involved in ministry. i think the real ahhcwhw— ministry. i think the real difficulty that and i'm part difficulty is that and i'm part of difficulty is that and i'm part er-eh— difficulty is that and i'm part of on archbishops of the group on archbishops cewhch— of the group on archbishops council—signs. of the group on archbishops. council—signs off council who actually signs off the council who actually signs off rhe—eheehae- council who actually signs off. the—stipends every the decisions on stipends every wear.— the decisions on stipends every wear-rhe— the decisions on stipends every year.-the-problem,- the decisions on stipends every year. the problem, the year. and the real problem, the eweehehe— year. and the real problem, the questions-been— year. and the real problem, the questions been asking is questions i've been asking is why— questions i've been asking is why-char— questions i've been asking is why-rhar herew- questions i've been asking is why that clergy stipends why is it that clergy stipends have— why is it that clergy stipends have-gradually- why is it that clergy stipends have gradually drifting have been gradually drifting crewm— have been gradually drifting ecwhe-her— have been gradually drifting down?-not been- have been gradually drifting down? not been a sudden down? it's not been a sudden chanee— down? it's not been a sudden chanee-h-e- down? it's not been a sudden change.-it's not- change. it's not it's not eemerhhe— change. it's not it's not something i— change. it's not it's not something i suppose the crisis hae— something i suppose the crisis has-precipitated- something i suppose the crisis has precipitated by has been precipitated a bit by whar-e— has been precipitated a bit by whar-e-h- has been precipitated a bit by what's-in-lastl has been precipitated a bit byi what's-in-last 12 what's happened in the last 12 mehrhe— what's happened in the last 12 mehrhelee.— what's happened in the last 12 months-so, but— what's happened in the last 12 months so, but actually over months or so, but actually over he— months or so, but actually over rhe-reh— months or so, but actually over rhe-reh-crerew- the last ten years, clergy eheehae— the last ten years, clergy stipends have— the last ten years, clergy stipends have gradually been arhhhe— stipends have gradually been drifting-against- stipends have gradually been drifting against pay in drifting down against pay in erher— drifting down against pay in erher aeae— drifting down against pay in other areas and— drifting down against pay in other areas and a bit other areas and it's a bit complicated— other areas and it's a biti complicated -you other areas and it's a bit- complicated -you know, complicated because, you know, we-re—emheweai complicated because, you know,| we're—employed and we're not actually employed and rhererere— we're not actually employed and therefore-actually- therefore we don't actually receive l salary. - therefore we don't actually receive salary. are office receive a salary. we are office heraere— receive a salary. we are office heraere aha— receive a salary. we are office holders and we— receive a salary. we are office holders and we receive what's cahea— holders and we receive what's cahea a— holders and we receive what's called a stipend.— holders and we receive what's called a stipend. and so the discussions— called a stipend. and so the discussions around the provision the discussions around the provision rhe chwch— discussions around the provision the church makes— discussions around the provision the church makes for ministers is the church makes for ministers re acrwahw— the church makes for ministers is actually quite— the church makes for ministers is actually quite complex. okay so is actually quite complex. okay se me— is actually quite complex. okay so we hear— is actually quite complex. okay so no threat to _ is actually quite complex. okay so no threat to strike,— is actually quite complex. okay so no threat to strike, just- is actually quite complex. okay so no threat to strike, just a plea that you need to catch up

again with perhaps where you were. i wonder, though, you know, given the as i see it, catastrophic leadership of welby and declining congregations on sunday mornings, whether may be pay sunday mornings, whether may be pay should be related to performance . well, yes and no performance. well, yes and no hecaee— performance. well, yes and no hecaee er— performance. well, yes and no because of course— t well, yes and no because of course what that wewa— because of course what that weha meah— because of course what that would mean is— because of course what that would mean is that pay for herew— would mean is that pay for crerew h— would mean is that pay for crerew h rhe— would mean is that pay for clergy in the suburbs where rhere-e— clergy in the suburbs where rhere-e a— clergy in the suburbs where there's a higher— clergy in the suburbs where there's a higher church, attendance— there's a higher church, attendance be less there's a higher church, attendance-be less pay attendance will be less than pay for attendance will be less than pay her rheee— attendance will be less than pay her rheee-crw— attendance will be less than pay for those-city and- for those in inner city and cwer— for those in inner city and outer estate— for those in inner city and outer estate ministry , which outer estate ministry, which hardw— outer estate ministry, which harchw eee— outer estate ministry, which hardly seems appropriate to me. a hardly seems appropriate to me. h-er— hardly seems appropriate to me. h-er rhhee— hardly seems appropriate to me. a-of things-are- a couple of things that are rearw— a couple of things that are really interesting you really interesting and you mhehh— might, might or might not be aware .these_ might, might or might not be aware these facts. nigel aware of these facts. nigel hwmher— aware of these facts. nigel hwmher-re- aware of these facts. nigel number-is that. aware of these facts. nigel number is that there number one fact is that there are more people— number one fact is that there are more people in a church on swhaaw— are more people in a church on sunday-attending- are more people in a church on sunday attending live sunday than are attending live reerhah— sunday than are attending live reerhah-ar— sunday than are attending live football-at every- sunday than are attending live football at every level football matches at every level put football matches at every level ewr reeerher. — football matches at every level put together. .the - football matches at every level put together. the number put together. and the number hew-r— put together. and the number rear—.— put together. and the number reh-r—. aha- put together. and the number isn't_. and the- put together. and the number. isn't_. and the other isn't even close. and the other rearw— isn't even close. and the other really interesting— isn't even close. and the other really interesting that really interesting fact is that eeche— really interesting fact is that more people-in- really interesting fact is that more people in this more people identify in this cewh— more people identify in this cewmw ae— more people identify in this country as christian than then wareh— country as christian than then warch—rv- country as christian than then warch—rv ewewl country as christian than then. watch—tv every week. watch football on tv every week. so, watch football on tv every week. se. h— watch football on tv every week. se. h each — watch football on tv every week. so, in fact, the— watch football on tv every week. so, in fact, the christian faith is more important in this cewmw— is more important in this country than— is more important in this country than football is. that's one interesting— country than football is. that's one interesting the other one interesting fact. the other hrereehhe— one interesting fact. the other interesting fact— one interesting fact. the other interesting fact the interesting fact is that the chwch— interesting fact is that the church-country- interesting fact is that the church country is not church in this country is not in eecwhe— church in this country is not in decline-church- church in this country is not in decline church england decline. the church of england is decline. the church of england relaechhe— decline. the church of england relaechhe .— decline. the church of england isldecline ,-the-

decline. the church of england is decline , the church in is in decline, but the church in rheraha— is in decline, but the church in england overall— is in decline, but the church in england overall is— is in decline, but the church in england overall is actually not in england overall is actually not h eecwhe— england overall is actually not in decline in— england overall is actually not in decline in many places is erewhe— in decline in many places is erewhe. we— in decline in many places is growing. we see— in decline in many places is growing. we see that in nottingham.— growing. we see that in nottingham. some of the church of nottingham. some of the church er rheraha— nottingham. some of the church of england churches are growing, eemea— her- of england churches are growing, eeme—a her ofi some are declining. but a lot of erher— some are declining. but a lot of erher-are— some are declining. but a lot of other-are growing- other churches are growing and erewhe— other churches are growing and growing vigorously . yeah. growing quite vigorously. yeah. no, growing quite vigorously. yeah. helm— growing quite vigorously. yeah. helr-m eawme— growing quite vigorously. yeah. helr-m eawme-wewl no, no, i'm saying people, you know, i live, i'm seeing know, where i live, i'm seeing sort evangelical churches sort of evangelical churches being busy indeed. being very, very busy indeed. well, listen, thank you very mwch— well, listen, thank you very much indeed,— well, listen, thank you very much indeed, ian, forjoining us. much indeed, ian, forjoining r— much indeed, ian, forjoining r heae— much indeed, ian, forjoining r heae wew— much indeed, ian, forjoining us. i hope you can get a satisfactory— us. i hope you can get a satisfactory resolution. i hope so, satisfactory resolution. i hope rec.— satisfactory resolution. i hope we. rhawh— satisfactory resolution. i hope so, too. thank you, nigel. thank you. now, a bit of good rhre— thank you. now, a bit of good news. this cheers— thank you. now, a bit of good news. this cheers me up no end. he— news. this cheers me up no end. he us— news. this cheers me up no end. the us president,— news. this cheers me up no end. the us president, joe biden's sonr_ the us president, joe biden's hwhrer— the us president, joe biden's son, hunter biden, is expected to son, hunter biden, is expected re heae— son, hunter biden, is expected re heae ewhw— son, hunter biden, is expected to plead guilty to— son, hunter biden, is expected to plead guilty to two misdemeanour tax crimes and aamh— misdemeanour tax crimes and aamh re— misdemeanour tax crimes and admit to illegally possessing a gun— admit to illegally possessing a ewh whhe— admit to illegally possessing a ewh whhe a— admit to illegally possessing a gun while a drug— admit to illegally possessing a gun while a drug user. after a he— gun while a drug user. after a he wear— gun while a drug user. after a five year investigation, the us ahemew— five year investigation, the us arremew h— five year investigation, the us attorney in delaware has filed eaeere— attorney in delaware has filed papers indicating a plea aereemehr— papers indicating a plea agreement has been reached . he's agreement has been reached. he's expecrea— agreement has been reached. he's exeecrea re— agreement has been reached. he's expected to agree— agreement has been reached. he's expected to agree to— agreement has been reached. he's expected to agree to drug wearmem— expected to agree to drug treatment and— expected to agree to drug treatment and monitoring the ewe— treatment and monitoring the rerme er— treatment and monitoring the rerme er rhe— treatment and monitoring the terms of the agreement are hhew— terms of the agreement are hhew re— terms of the agreement are were re hcee— terms of the agreement are likely to keep him out of jail. weh— likely to keep him out of jail. weh wee— likely to keep him out of jail. well yes, that's— likely to keep him out of jail. well yes, that's for now . but i

well yes, that's for now. but i have— well yes, that's for now. but i have a— well yes, that's for now. but i have a feeling,— well yes, that's for now. but i have a feeling, folks, that now we're beginning— have a feeling, folks, that now we're beginning to see the first chareee— we're beginning to see the first chareee hara— we're beginning to see the first charges laid against hunter ereee— charges laid against hunter hweh may— charges laid against hunter hreeh may he— charges laid against hunter biden may be if there is a fair aha— biden may be if there is a fair and wee— biden may be if there is a fair and free india— biden may be if there is a fair and free india pendant, legal aha— and free india pendant, legal and which— and free india pendant, legal and judicial system in america, i'm and judicial system in america, rm heehe— and judicial system in america, rm heehe rhre— and judicial system in america, i'm hoping this is— and judicial system in america, i'm hoping this is the first of many— i'm hoping this is the first of many he-e— i'm hoping this is the first of many he-e eer— i'm hoping this is the first of many he's got to— i'm hoping this is the first of many he's got to explain how he hae— many he's got to explain how he hae beeh— many he's got to explain how he has been able— many he's got to explain how he has been able to— many he's got to explain how he has been able to earn millions aha— has been able to earn millions and millions— has been able to earn millions and millions of— has been able to earn millions and millions of dollars from dictatorship— and millions of dollars from dictatorship regimes all over the dictatorship regimes all over he wewa— dictatorship regimes all over the world and— dictatorship regimes all over the world and to— dictatorship regimes all over the world and to explain what the world and to explain what the relationship— the world and to explain what the relationship between that aha— the relationship between that income and the— the relationship between that income and the so called big guy,— income and the so called big eww hre— income and the so called big eww hre hrhew— income and the so called big guy, his father, joe, is. it is her— guy, his father, joe, is. it is he ecwh— guy, his father, joe, is. it is just stuff hinckley one sided rhar— just stuff hinckley one sided rhar he— just stuff hinckley one sided that it's trump— just stuff hinckley one sided that it's trump that faces a er— that it's trump that faces a mass of legal— that it's trump that faces a mass of legal charges and up whrh— mass of legal charges and up whrh rhre— mass of legal charges and up until this moment, the bidens have— until this moment, the bidens have eer— until this moment, the bidens hawe eer away— until this moment, the bidens have got away with it scot free. i have got away with it scot free. r have— have got away with it scot free. r have mw— have got away with it scot free. r have my ew— have got away with it scot free. i have my own view where the rear— i have my own view where the rear cerrweheh— i have my own view where the real corruption lies now , you real corruption lies now, you remember years— real corruption lies now, you remember years ago, ms england cehreew— remember years ago, ms england cehreew vee— remember years ago, ms england contest? yes, it— remember years ago, ms england contest? yes, it was— remember years ago, ms england contest? yes, it was all bikinis aha— contest? yes, it was all bikinis and here— contest? yes, it was all bikinis and here er— contest? yes, it was all bikinis and lots of skin.— contest? yes, it was all bikinis and lots of skin. but that's not beeh— and lots of skin. but that's not been rhe— and lots of skin. but that's not been the case— and lots of skin. but that's not been the case in— and lots of skin. but that's not been the case in recent years. hw—

been the case in recent years. hwr ew— been the case in recent years. but now there— been the case in recent years. but now there is— been the case in recent years. but now there is a— been the case in recent years. but now there is a debate that may— but now there is a debate that may he— but now there is a debate that may he he— but now there is a debate that may be the bikini— but now there is a debate that may be the bikini comes back to the may be the bikini comes back to he he— may be the bikini comes back to he he england— may be the bikini comes back to the ms england contest. is that a eech— the ms england contest. is that a eeea .— the ms england contest. is that a eeee . eewewe— the ms england contest. is that a good , joyous thing? we should a good, joyous thing? we should cehehrare— a good, joyous thing? we should cerehrare e— a good, joyous thing? we should celebrate ? or— a good, joyous thing? we should celebrate ? or is— a good, joyous thing? we should celebrate ? or is it— a good, joyous thing? we should celebrate ? or is it just once celebrate? or is it just once aeah— celebrate? or is it just once again returning— celebrate? or is it just once again returning to the objectification of women? all of char— objectification of women? all of rhar h— objectification of women? all of rhar h her— objectification of women? all of rhar h we a— objectification of women? all of that in just a moment

what, decades ago we took it for erahreh— what, decades ago we took it for erahreh chew-r— what, decades ago we took it for granted, didn't we?— what, decades ago we took it for granted, didn't we? you know, wree— granted, didn't we? you know, he rheraha— granted, didn't we? you know, miss england contests, whatever it miss england contests, whatever h wae— miss england contests, whatever h ah— miss england contests, whatever it was, all these— miss england contests, whatever it was, all these beauty eaeeame— it was, all these beauty pageants and- it was, all these beauty pageants and yes, you know, it ehe— pageants and yes, you know, it was girls wearing— pageants and yes, you know, it was girls wearing bikinis and ewrmewhe— was girls wearing bikinis and ewrmewhe .— was girls wearing bikinis and swimsuits . and— was girls wearing bikinis and swimsuits . and nobody it seemed swimsuits. and nobody it seemed to swimsuits. and nobody it seemed re me— swimsuits. and nobody it seemed re me .— swimsuits. and nobody it seemed re me . hae— swimsuits. and nobody it seemed re me . me am— swimsuits. and nobody it seemed to me , had any great problem to me, had any great problem wrrh— to me, had any great problem whh h.— to me, had any great problem whh h. hw— to me, had any great problem with it. but that— to me, had any great problem with it. but that and maybe page rhree— with it. but that and maybe page rhree er— with it. but that and maybe page rhree er rhe— with it. but that and maybe page three of the sun— with it. but that and maybe page three of the sun and many other rhhee— three of the sun and many other rhhee aha— three of the sun and many other things, and we've— three of the sun and many other things, and we've had some rarher— things, and we've had some rather different— things, and we've had some rather different views over the course of the— rather different views over the course of the last— rather different views over the course of the last few years, hw— course of the last few years, hwr he— course of the last few years, hwr he a— course of the last few years, but it's a debate— course of the last few years, but it's a debate that somehow never, ever goes— but it's a debate that somehow never, ever goes away. whether it's never, ever goes away. whether he he— never, ever goes away. whether he he ewe— never, ever goes away. whether it's the grid girls— never, ever goes away. whether it's the grid girls on formula ehe— it's the grid girls on formula one er— it's the grid girls on formula one or whatever— it's the grid girls on formula one or whatever it is you know, are one or whatever it is you know, rheee— one or whatever it is you know, are these events— one or whatever it is you know, are these events where women are h hhhe— are these events where women are seen in bikinis, are—

are these events where women are seen in bikinis, are these rhhee— seen in bikinis, are these rhhee we— seen in bikinis, are these things we should celebrate be happy— things we should celebrate be happy ahewh— things we should celebrate be happy about, think are joyous , happy about, think are joyous, ache— happy about, think are joyous, hchs er— happy about, think are joyous, hchs er are— happy about, think are joyous, acas or are they— happy about, think are joyous, acas or are they as many would reh— acas or are they as many would reh we— acas or are they as many would reh ermpw— acas or are they as many would tell us, simply male objectification of women and perehhahw— objectification of women and potentially quite abusive. now it's potentially quite abusive. now he a— potentially quite abusive. now he a aehare— potentially quite abusive. now it's a debate that's gone on as long— it's a debate that's gone on as long ae— it's a debate that's gone on as long ae r— it's a debate that's gone on as long ae r ca— it's a debate that's gone on as long as i can remember, as long as long as i can remember, as long ae hwe— long as i can remember, as long ae r-we hwee.— long as i can remember, as long as i've lived. but— long as i can remember, as long as i've lived. but there is talk rhar— as i've lived. but there is talk rhar rhe— as i've lived. but there is talk that the miss— as i've lived. but there is talk that the miss england contest wh— that the miss england contest wrh ew— that the miss england contest wrh ee— that the miss england contest will now go back— that the miss england contest will now go back to the bikini . will now go back to the bikini. weh.— will now go back to the bikini. weh. her-e— will now go back to the bikini. well, let's start— will now go back to the bikini. well, let's start here with dr. haeha— well, let's start here with dr. pasha mukherjee , nhs doctor and pasha mukherjee, nhs doctor and wree— pasha mukherjee, nhs doctor and he rheraha— pasha mukherjee, nhs doctor and miss england 2019— pasha mukherjee, nhs doctor and miss england 2019 now faux pas haeha— miss england 2019 now faux pas haeha wew— miss england 2019 now faux pas haeha. wew have— miss england 2019 now faux pas pasha, you have pretty strong wewe— pasha, you have pretty strong rhar— pasha, you have pretty strong views that we— pasha, you have pretty strong views that we shouldn't be going hack— views that we shouldn't be going back re— views that we shouldn't be going back to bikinis.— views that we shouldn't be going back to bikinis. why t back to bikinis. why i actually rhhh— back to bikinis. why i actually rhhh we— back to bikinis. why i actually think we should be. you back to bikinis. why t “

few years ago, the picture of he ehe— few years ago, the picture of the girls that— few years ago, the picture of the girls that were all taking part— the girls that were all taking paw wae— the girls that were all taking parr wew— the girls that were all taking part was very different. and rhe— part was very different. and over the years— part was very different. and over the years it's changed so mwch— over the years it's changed so mwch whh— over the years it's changed so much with different body types prwe— much with different body types phwe ehe— much with different body types plus size women— much with different body types plus size women , women of plus size women, women of wherew— plus size women, women of different heights, different ceewh— different heights, different colour skin,— different heights, different colour skin, and so much hwerehw— colour skin, and so much diversity has— colour skin, and so much diversity has come, come through and we— diversity has come, come through and we rearw— diversity has come, come through and we really must— diversity has come, come through and we really must change the hea— and we really must change the hea er— and we really must change the hea er whar— and we really must change the idea of what looks good in a hhh— idea of what looks good in a hhh er— idea of what looks good in a bikini or what— idea of what looks good in a bikini or what looks good in swimwear. and— bikini or what looks good in swimwear. and it's not really ahewr— swimwear. and it's not really ahewr rhe— swimwear. and it's not really about the sexualization of women's body,— about the sexualization of women's body, but really what hew— women's body, but really what women's body is.— women's body, but really what women's body is. it's more the cemhehce— women's body is. it's more the confidence element of it and cerehrahhe— confidence element of it and celebrating women's bodies in all celebrating women's bodies in ah rhe— celebrating women's bodies in all the shapes— celebrating women's bodies in all the shapes that it comes in. awa— all the shapes that it comes in. are ehewe— all the shapes that it comes in. and should we— all the shapes that it comes in. and should we should- all the shapes that it comes in. and should we should we- all the shapes that it comes in. and should we should we whilst we're doing this, be defining what a woman is? well well, here's the thing . i think it's here's the thing. i think it's down here's the thing. i think it's eewh re— here's the thing. i think it's eewh re rhe— here's the thing. i think it's down to the choice.- “g i think it's down to the choice. and that's whar— down to the choice. and that's whar rhe — down to the choice. and that's what the competition is about. all what the competition is about. ah rhe— what the competition is about. all the different— what the competition is about. all the different rounds in the cemperheh— all the different rounds in the competition are— all the different rounds in the competition are by choice. it's her— competition are by choice. it's her eemerhhe— competition are by choice. it's not something that you do not get not something that you do not eer rhreweh— not something that you do not eer rhreweh re— not something that you do not get through to this round if you do get through to this round if you he her— get through to this round if you he her race— get through to this round if you do not take part— get through to this round if you do not take part in this round. he— do not take part in this round. he her— do not take part in this round. he her he— do not take part in this round. it's not like that— do not take part in this round. it's not like that .— do not take part in this round. it's not like that . the emphasis it's not like that. the emphasis hae— it's not like that. the emphasis hae arwawe— it's not like that. the emphasis has always been— it's not like that. the emphasis has always been for miss england and wree— has always been for miss england and miss world— has always been for miss england and miss world on— has always been for miss england and miss world on beauty with a pwpeee— and miss world on beauty with a pwrpeee aha— and miss world on beauty with a purpose and actually it's always beeh— purpose and actually it's always been .strongest_ purpose and actually it's always been strongest element of been the strongest element of the competition,—

been the strongest element of the competition, which is why, i r— the competition, which is why, i r wew— the competition, which is why, i mean, i was very surprised when i mean, i was very surprised when r we— mean, i was very surprised when rwe mweeh— mean, i was very surprised when rwe mweeh. r— mean, i was very surprised when iwon myself. i did— mean, i was very surprised when i won myself. i did not think he— i won myself. i did not think me peepre— i won myself. i did not think me peepre r— i won myself. i did not think the people i was— i won myself. i did not think the people i was competing with h rhe— the people i was competing with h rhe rep— the people i was competing with even in the top five, looked wew— even in the top five, looked very different— even in the top five, looked very different from me. and the ehh— very different from me. and the only rhhe— very different from me. and the only rhhe r— very different from me. and the only rhhe r wae— very different from me. and the only thing i was holding to only thing i was holding on to only thing i was holding onto r— only thing i was holding onto r eweee— only thing i was holding onto r eweee mw— only thing i was holding on to was, i guess, my beauty with a pwpeee— was, i guess, my beauty with a pwrpeee aha— was, i guess, my beauty with a purpose and said,— was, i guess, my beauty with a purpose and said, okay, well rhar-e— purpose and said, okay, well rhar-elwew— purpose and said, okay, well that'slvery that's- purpose and said, okay, well that's very that's a very that's a very that's a very meema— that's a very that's a very modern interpretation of how we wewa— modern interpretation of how we wewe chee— modern interpretation of how we would choose england would choose miss england cemparea— would choose miss england cemparea re— would choose miss england compared to the 1970s or 1980s. herewa— compared to the 1970s or 1980s. herewa rweh— compared to the 1970s or 1980s. helena frith powell— compared to the 1970s or 1980s. helena frith powell author and journalist. yeah i mean, what was wrong ? what was wrong with was wrong? what was wrong with very beautiful girls appearing in bikinis ? i don't think in bikinis? i don't think ahwrhhe— in bikinis? i don't think anything was- “ “ 57 i don't think anything was wrong with it. i r— anything was wrong with it. i mean, i think— anything was wrong with it. i mean, i think we're in aereemenh- mean, i think we're in agreement. i- mean, i think we're in agreement. i think what's wrong re— agreement. i think what's wrong re rhar— agreement. i think what's wrong now is that women— agreement. i think what's wrong now is that women are the choice is now is that women are the choice he being— now is that women are the choice re hehe raceh— now is that women are the choice is being taken away.— now is that women are the choice is being taken away. people are eawhe— is being taken away. people are sayingr eh— is being taken away. people are sayingr eh. wew— is being taken away. people are saying, oh, you should not be ewwrhhe— saying, oh, you should not be strutting—bikini . saying, oh, you should not bej strutting—bikini or strutting around in a bikini or a-ceerwme.— strutting around in a bikini or a-costume. that's- strutting around in a bikini or a costume. that's demeaning a swim costume. that's demeaning --whv_ a swim costume. that's demeaning --whv-vou_ a swim costume. that's demeaning .-whw-wew rehhe- a swim costume. that's demeaning .-why-you telling me- . well, why are you telling me whar-e— . well, why are you telling me what's-meaning- . well, why are you telling me what's meaning for me? if what's the meaning for me? i if i what's the meaning for me? i if r-re— what's the meaning for me? i if i.to-my— what's the meaning for me? i if r-re-mw eeh- what's the meaning for me? i if i-to-my self off- what's the meaning for me? i if i-to-my self off on. i want to show my self off on ewee.— i want to show my self off on stager r— i want to show my self off on eraee. r rhhh— i want to show my self off on stage, i think that's my right. aha— stage, i think that's my right. he ee— stage, i think that's my right. he ee r— stage, i think that's my right. and so i think— stage, i think that's my right. and so i think it's what's wrong is and so i think it's what's wrong he her— and so i think it's what's wrong he ewee peephe— and so i think it's what's wrong is just people dictating what we ehewe— is just people dictating what we should think. _ is just people dictating what we should think. and— is just people dictating what we should think. ' “r: is just people dictating what we should think. “r: should think. and we, you know, boxing. yeah, boxing. you know, where girls went round the

where the girls went round the ring with the, you know, round five and round six and grid girls on formula one. i mean i personally have no problem with any of it, but this is seen somehow to be demeaning to women, objectification of women, the sexualization of women. is it really my theory is that if you go into a beauty competition, you're being judged on the way you look . okay, i on the way you look. okay, i totally on the way you look. okay, i rerahw aeree— on the way you look. okay, i totally agree with— rtr“ okay, i totally agree with beauty. with a pwpeee. — totally agree with beauty. with a pwpeee. r— totally agree with beauty. with a purpose. i think that also mee— a purpose. i think that also miss one, they— a purpose. i think that also miss one, they do a very good job— miss one, they do a very good job er— miss one, they do a very good eeh er mahee— miss one, they do a very good job of making sure the girls are weh— job of making sure the girls are well—everything. job of making sure the girls are. well—everything. but well rounded and everything. but i well rounded and everything. but r-rhar— well rounded and everything. but r-rhar h— well rounded and everything. but r-rhar h-are- well rounded and everything. but i-that if-are being. i do think that if you are being judged— i do think that if you are being judged h— i do think that if you are being judged h a— i do think that if you are being judged in a beauty pageant, wewe— judged in a beauty pageant, wewre perha— judged in a beauty pageant, you're being judged your you're being judged on your reehe. — you're being judged on your looks. _ know, i you're being judged on your. looks. _know, your looks. and so, you know, your reeke— looks. and so, you know, your reehe-rhere— looks. and so, you know, your looks there display. looks are there for display. and if looks are there for display. and h-ehr-ew— looks are there for display. and if-enjov ehewhe- looks are there for display. and if enjoy showing off your if you enjoy showing off your hew— if you enjoy showing off your hew aha— if you enjoy showing off your heew aha wew— if you enjoy showing off your body and your looks, i think whar— body and your looks, i think whar-reahw— body and your looks, i think what-really sad- body and your looks, i think what really sad was there what was really sad was there waeleh— what was really sad was there waslgirl called— what was really sad was there was girl called katrina hodge, was a girl called katrina hodge, whe— was a girl called katrina hodge, whe-wree— was a girl called katrina hodge, who miss england, who felt who was miss england, who felt rhar— who was miss england, who felt rhar-wae— who was miss england, who felt rhar-wae ehe— who was miss england, who felt that-was she was- who was miss england, who felt that was she was sort of that she was she was sort of haercahw— that she was she was sort of basically bullied— that she was she was sort of basically bullied into this campareh— basically bullied into this campaign against showing girls in campaign against showing girls h ewrmmhe— campaign against showing girls in swimming costumes. and she eah— in swimming costumes. and she eah ehe— in swimming costumes. and she eah ehe reh— in swimming costumes. and she said she felt that— in swimming costumes. and she said she felt that she was being a hae— said she felt that she was being a bad feminist— said she felt that she was being a bad feminist for— said she felt that she was being a bad feminist for enjoying perha— a bad feminist for enjoying hehe eh— a bad feminist for enjoying being on stage— a bad feminist for enjoying being on stage in a swimming

ceerwme aha— being on stage in a swimming costume. and that's surely which has costume. and that's surely which hae re— costume. and that's surely which hae re re— costume. and that's surely which hae re he hae— costume. and that's surely which has to be has to— costume. and that's surely which has to be has to be— costume. and that's surely which has to be has to be ridiculous. yeah.— has to be has to be ridiculous. veah. hapha— has to be has to be ridiculous. yeah. pasha, you— has to be has to be ridiculous. yeah. pasha, you know,- has to be has to be ridiculous. yeah. pasha, you know, one of the big rules that's going on in society now and it's going on, particularly sport, is this particularly in sport, is this whole and this and i whole trans issue and this and i sort of on this earlier sort of touched on this earlier , know, you define what , you know, can you define what a is? can a woman have a a woman is? can a woman have a penis? it sounds ludicrous to me. and yet, you know, the leader of the liberal democrats said, obviously, yes , the said, well, obviously, yes, the leader labour party leader of the labour party clearly to clearly doesn't even want to debate question . i mean, debate the question. i mean, would you think that a trans competitor should be allowed in a miss england contest? oh, it's a miss england contest? oh, it's a very political question. what it is, but it is the rt.t :“ what it is, but it is the question of he— it is, but it is the question of he haw.— it is, but it is the question of he haw. rm— it is, but it is the question of me pay. h a— it is, but it is the question of the day. i'm a woman of science aha— the day. i'm a woman of science and rm— the day. i'm a woman of science and h wew— the day. i'm a woman of science and rm wew mwch— the day. i'm a woman of science and i'm very much i— the day. i'm a woman of science and i'm very much i very much wew— and i'm very much i very much rhe— and i'm very much i very much view the world _ and i'm very much i very much view the world in— and i'm very much i very much view the world in the science aha— view the world in the science and he — view the world in the science and he way— view the world in the science and the way we— view the world in the science and the way we define anything . and the way we define anything. cehe— and the way we define anything. cehe h— and the way we define anything. going in science— and the way we define anything. going in science in— and the way we define anything. going in science in general is by going in science in general is he whar— going in science in general is by what majority— going in science in general is by what majority of offers parhcwar— by what majority of offers particular species have in common or majority of something has common or majority of something hae h— common or majority of something hae h cemmeh— common or majority of something has in common. and i think the large— has in common. and i think the raree mar-ehew— has in common. and i think the large majority of— has in common. and i think the large majority of the population

, if large majority of the population . h wew— large majority of the population . h wew wae— large majority of the population . h wew re— large majority of the population , if you was to define it as men remhe— , if you was to define it as men versus female or— , if you was to define it as men versus female or trans, the mar-ehh— versus female or trans, the mar-erhw er— versus female or trans, the majority of women have a certain hwherh— majority of women have a certain hwherh er— majority of women have a certain number of criteria— majority of women have a certain number of criteria that they have — number of criteria that they have re — number of criteria that they have to meet— number of criteria that they have to meet to— number of criteria that they have to meet to be classified as a woman, as a female, when rhew-re— a woman, as a female, when rhew-re perha— a woman, as a female, when they're being defined at very ehwewe— they're being defined at very obvious what— they're being defined at very obvious what they are, isn't it? yeah. — obvious what they are, isn't it? yeah. se— obvious what they are, isn't it? yeah. se eh— obvious what they are, isn't it? yeah. so on that,— obvious what they are, isn't it? yeah. so on that, on that note i vee— yeah. so on that, on that note i wee er— yeah. so on that, on that note i see. yes of course.— yeah. so on that, on that note i see. yes of course. i— yeah. so on that, on that note i see. yes of course. i understand wew— see. yes of course. i understand wew crearw— see. yes of course. i understand very clearly what— see. yes of course. i understand very clearly what it— see. yes of course. i understand very clearly what it means to be a woman because— very clearly what it means to be a woman because that's my lived epewehce — a woman because that's my lived experience. whereas i think i wewa— experience. whereas i think i wewe hce— experience. whereas i think i would like i've— experience. whereas i think i would like i've never been ehwewew— would like i've never been obviously in— would like i've never been obviously in shoes of obviously in the shoes of someone who's- obviously in the shoes of someone who's trans, i'm someone who's trans, and i'm he— someone who's trans, and i'm sure it's-different- sure it's a whole different epewece— sure it's a whole different experience in— sure it's a whole different experience in itself. and i weh-r— experience in itself. and i don't-there - experience in itself. and i don't there needs to be don't think there needs to be any— don't think there needs to be any merehe— don't think there needs to be any merehe er— don't think there needs to be any merging of the categories hecaee— any merging of the categories hecaee h— any merging of the categories because it is— any merging of the categories because it is a— any merging of the categories because it is a category in heeh— because it is a category in heeh .— because it is a category in heeh . r— because it is a category in itself . i think— because it is a category in itself . i think it's a very itself. i think it's a very different— itself. i think it's a very different experience experiencing difficulties in aehhhe— experiencing difficulties in defining which gender you really are defining which gender you really h were.— defining which gender you really are in, which is— defining which gender you really are in, which is not my lived epewehce — are in, which is not my lived experience. so— are in, which is not my lived experience. so it's difficult to say— experience. so it's difficult to eaw rhar— experience. so it's difficult to eaw rhar mw— experience. so it's difficult to say that my womanhood is the same as their— say that my womanhood is the same as their womanhood. if let me aeh— same as their womanhood. if let me aeh rhe— same as their womanhood. if let me ask the question again should eemeheaw— me ask the question again should eemeheew whe-e— me ask the question again should somebody who's trans be able to cempere— somebody who's trans be able to cempere h— somebody who's trans be able to cempere h a— somebody who's trans be able to compete in a miss— somebody who's trans be able to compete in a miss england cehreew— compete in a miss england contest? well— compete in a miss england contest? well well, i think it's

here— contest? well well, i think it's here are— contest? well well, i think it's there are pageants for those careeewee— there are pageants for those categories as— there are pageants for those categories as well. for a ehewhe— categories as well. for a different category. yes. i categories as well. for a- different category. yes. i think so. all different category. yes. i think ah wehr. — different category. yes. i think so. all right. no,— different category. yes. i think so. all right. no, because it takes away. helena, how would you respond to that? i don't think they look— you respond to that? i don't think they look very- : t“tt7 i don't think they look very good in a ewrmmhe— think they look very good in a swimming costume. well that is a pwew— swimming costume. well that is a pwew ewee-ecawe— swimming costume. well that is a purely subjective judgement. no, i purely subjective judgement. no, r weh-r— purely subjective judgement. no, r eew-r rhhh— purely subjective judgement. no, i don't think they— purely subjective judgement. no, i don't think they should just in i don't think they should just h rhe— i don't think they should just h rhe ame— i don't think they should just in the same way— i don't think they should just in the same way that they ehewhh-r— in the same way that they shouldn't be— in the same way that they shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's swimming competitions, women's cycling cempehhene— competitions, women's cycling competitions. cetera. et competitions. it's cetera. et ceera— competitions. it's cetera. et cetera.ithink_ competitions. it's cetera. et cetera. think that is cetera. i think that this is aherher— cetera. i think that this is another anti—feminist move another very anti—feminist move . awa— another very anti—feminist move . he he— another very anti—feminist move . he he re— another very anti—feminist move . and this is the— another very anti—feminist move . and this is the interesting thing, isn't it? this is the interesting thing that actually kwasi it's not women appearing in bikinis. that is that is actually damaging women's rights . you can gender . it's this and you can gender you can call yourself actually what the hell you want to call yourself, but biology. don't, don't biology , i think- 3 don't, don't biology , i think is a it's don't biology, i think is a it's rahhe— don't biology, i think is a it's rahhe away— don't biology, i think is a it's taking away from women's epperrwhhee— taking away from women's opportunities because miss ehewhe— opportunities because miss rheraha re— opportunities because miss england is not— opportunities because miss england is not just about being on england is not just about being eh eraee. — england is not just about being eh eraee. h— england is not just about being on stage. it gives— england is not just about being on stage. t g g on stage. it gives these girls massive opportunities in in the world of various different fields. i mean, the current miss

england, she's an aerospace engineer and she's trying get engineer and she's trying to get women stem fields. yeah, women into stem fields. yeah, no, get it. i get it. i women into stem fields. yeah, no,iget it. i get it. i get- no, i get it. i get it. i get h.— no, i get it. i get it. i get h. wewe— no, i get it. i get it. i get it. we've moved- no, i get it. i get it. i get it. we've moved it on from what it. we've moved it on from what h wae— it. we've moved it on from what h hw— it. we've moved it on from what h hwr we— it. we've moved it on from what it was, but we still— it. we've moved it on from what it was, but we still i think meer— it was, but we still i think meer peepre— it was, but we still i think most people want to see very heawrhwr— most people want to see very beautiful-thank- most people want to see very- beautiful-thank-very beautiful women. thank you very mwch— beautiful women. thank you very mwch hweee— beautiful women. thank you very much indeed for— beautiful women. thank you very much indeed for coming on and aehahhe— much indeed for coming on and aehahhe-hha— much indeed for coming on and debating and doing it in debating that. and doing it in a crwheea— debating that. and doing it in a civilised—see,- debating that. and doing it in a civilised—see, it's. civilised fashion. you see, it's peeehhe— civilised fashion. you see, it's peeehhe re— civilised fashion. you see, it's possible to debate tough possible to debate these tough reeweewa-w - possible to debate these tough issues—way. nowi issues in a civilised way. now i have— issues in a civilised way. now i have eer— issues in a civilised way. now i have eer hme— issues in a civilised way. now i have got time for— issues in a civilised way. now i have got time for a couple of harraee. — have got time for a couple of barrage. .farage. - have got time for a couple of barrage. farage. so here barrage. the farage. so here eeee— barrage. the farage. so here eeee .— barrage. the farage. so here eeee. — barrage. the farage. so here eeee. whar— barrage. the farage. so here goes . what do— barrage. the farage. so here goes. what do you- barrage. the farage. so here goes . gtt: barrage. the farage. so here goes. gtt: barrage. the farage. so here- goes. what do you guys think we can do about the cost of living? do you guys think it's going to go worse? i was only going to go better from here. now i think i think the reality is , you know, think the reality is, you know, that anybody with a mortgage is facing really , really tough facing really, really tough times. you know, we've not seen hrereer— times. you know, we've not seen hrereer-ar— times. you know, we've not seen interest - at these _ t you know, we've not seen interest at these levels interest rates at these levels for_ decades. - interest rates at these levels- for_decades. anybody for a couple of decades. anybody whh— for a couple of decades. anybody whh a— for a couple of decades. anybody whh a meheaee— for a couple of decades. anybody with a mortgage, indeed, anybody rehhhe— with a mortgage, indeed, anybody renting effectively— with a mortgage, indeed, anybody renting effectively the cost of wine— renting effectively the cost of hwhe re— renting effectively the cost of living is getting— renting effectively the cost of living is getting tougher and eehhe— living is getting tougher and eehhe — living is getting tougher and getting worse. and inflation has prewea— getting worse. and inflation has prewea re— getting worse. and inflation has prewea re re— getting worse. and inflation has proved to be stickier than it is. proved to be stickier than it relr— proved to be stickier than it relr wewa— proved to be stickier than it is.-i would say- proved to be stickier than it is. i would say all i really is. all i would say all i really wewa— is. all i would say all i really wewe-re— is. all i would say all i really would-is that— is. all i would say all i really would-is that the- is. all i would say all i really would is that the green would say is that the green raxee— would say is that the green race war— would say is that the green taxes that we— would say is that the green taxes that we put on electricity

whe— taxes that we put on electricity hhe aha— taxes that we put on electricity bills and everything else heprer— bills and everything else disprot emotionally hurt those on disprot emotionally hurt those we rewer— disprot emotionally hurt those on lower incomes— disprot emotionally hurt those on lower incomes , but they're on lower incomes, but they're wew.— on lower incomes, but they're veryr wew— on lower incomes, but they're veryr wew eeea— on lower incomes, but they're very, very good for the rich. hweee— very, very good for the rich. rhaeea rwe— very, very good for the rich. indeed i've got— very, very good for the rich. indeed i've got time for one harraee— indeed i've got time for one more barrage. the farage. let's go more barrage. the farage. let's ee aeah.— more barrage. the farage. let's ee aeah. whar— more barrage. the farage. let's go again. what you being joining the go again. what you being joining rhe wh— go again. what you being joining rhe wh parrwe — go again. what you being joining the wii party? we,— go again. what you being joining the wii party? �*ee�*rt; the wii party? we, the taxpayer , not the tax avoider. every thing we do, we will do for the care of the country, not for money. we will have people winning the government that do it for half, if not a third of the money that the people are doing it for. now so we will show the country that we are doing it because we care. would you be interested in joining and setting up the wii party? well, that's all well and good- “g t. 7 well, that's all well and good to say rhar— that's all well and good to say rhar rhe— that's all well and good to say that mps should— that's all well and good to say that mps should do their job whhewr— that mps should do their job without being— that mps should do their job without being paid a been. and if without being paid a been. and h wewe— without being paid a been. and if you're wealthy— without being paid a been. and if you're wealthy and successful hce— if you're wealthy and successful we jacob— if you're wealthy and successful like jacob rees—mogg, you could prehahw—h- like jacob rees—mogg, you could prehahw—h rer- probably afford to do it for eehhe.— probably afford to do it for nothing-most- probably afford to do it for. nothing.-most-are probably afford to do it for- nothing.-most-are not nothing. but most people are not in nothing. but most people are not h-peeheh— nothing. but most people are not h-peeheh .— nothing. but most people are not in-position . and— nothing. but most people are not in position . and there is in that position. and there is an in that position. and there is ap arewmehr— in that position. and there is an argument actually that if wew— an argument actually that if wew rech— an argument actually that if your local mp— an argument actually that if your local mp is— an argument actually that if your local mp is earning about hah— your local mp is earning about hah rhe— your local mp is earning about half the headmaster of the local comprehensive,— half the headmaster of the local comprehensive, that actually mayhe— comprehensive, that actually maybe-para- comprehensive, that actually maybe paid them more, maybe if you paid them more, wew-a— maybe if you paid them more,

wew-a-ewahw- maybe if you paid them more, you'd quality people you'd get better quality people . rhar— you'd get better quality people . mar-a— you'd get better quality people . rhar-a he— you'd get better quality people . that a big debate now . that one is a big debate now on . that one is a big debate now we rhweaaw— . that one is a big debate now on thursday this— . that one is a big debate now on thursday this week i will be in on thursday this week i will be h hamerew— on thursday this week i will be in barnsley. yes.— on thursday this week i will be in barnsley. yes. the former mhhe— in barnsley. yes. the former mhhe rewh— in barnsley. yes. the former mining town of— in barnsley. yes. the former mining town of barnsley , a big mining town of barnsley, a big hrexh— mining town of barnsley, a big hrexh area— mining town of barnsley, a big brexit area and— mining town of barnsley, a big brexit area and it— mining town of barnsley, a big brexit area and it will be whhh— brexit area and it will be whhh a— brexit area and it will be within a few— brexit area and it will be within a few hours , seven years within a few hours, seven years ehce— within a few hours, seven years rhar— within a few hours, seven years since that referendum . um, if since that referendum. um, if you— since that referendum. um, if wew wahr— since that referendum. um, if wew wahr re— since that referendum. um, if you want to come, go to gb news dot you want to come, go to gb news eer — you want to come, go to gb news dot com because— you want to come, go to gb news dot com because we— you want to come, go to gb news dot com because we still have a few— dot com because we still have a few hchere— dot com because we still have a few tickets left. _ dot com because we still have a few tickets left. come and join me— few tickets left. come and join me h— few tickets left. come and join me in barnsley.— few tickets left. come and join me in barnsley. michelle hewherw— me in barnsley. michelle dewberry will— me in barnsley. michelle dewberry will be there as well. gb dewberry will be there as well. ch hewe— dewberry will be there as well. he wewe cm— dewberry will be there as well. gb news .com. coming up next at the gb news .com. coming up next at he wew— gb news .com. coming up next at the very successful— gb news .com. coming up next at the very successful sir jacob hcee-heae— the very successful sir jacob rees—mogg jacob nigel farage hrereehhe— rees—mogg jacob nigel farage interesting question wasn't it? it's interesting question wasn't it? he a— interesting question wasn't it? he a rearw— interesting question wasn't it? it's a really interesting- it's a really interesting question and there's no easy answer actually , because nobody answer actually, because nobody wants to pay politicians very much . but i think we may have much. but i think we may have the worst of all worlds at the moment. i think paying politicians and then making it harder and for to harder and harder for them to have outside interests has been a mistake. you've a great mistake. you've professionalised it very difficult. what i'm following up on difficult. what i'm following up eh—r-wer- difficult. what i'm following up eh—r-wer eawhel on what you were just saying, rearw— on what you were just saying, really important— on what you were just saying, really important opinion poll in the really important opinion poll in. rhe—rhar the sun this morning saying that meer— the sun this morning saying that meer peepre— the sun this morning saying that meer peepre are— the sun this morning saying that most people are more concerned ahewr—hwhe-

most people are more concerned about—living than- about the cost of living than her— about the cost of living than her-are— about the cost of living than her-are we— about the cost of living than net-are we making. about the cost of living than- net-are we making people net zero. are we making people poor and we're not going to make them in way and we're them green in any way and we're also going about also going to talk about yesterday on about yesterday you were on about somebody a cat. somebody identifying as a cat. yes, going to identify as a yes, i'm going to identify as a new this basket what people can identify as and how ridiculous it's got. sometimes this manner.— it's got. sometimes this channel, you— t grtr sometimes this channel, you know, we have we have — channel, you know, we have we have michelle _ channel, you know, we have we have michelle being made up as a cat have michelle being made up as a car aha— have michelle being made up as a cat and rees—mogg's going to be acahee he— cat and rees—mogg's going to be a canoe. it's all— cat and rees—mogg's going to be a canoe. it's all too— cat and rees—mogg's going to be a canoe. it's all too much for rm— a canoe. it's all too much for rm eche— a canoe. it's all too much for me. i'm going home. let's get rhe— me. i'm going home. let's get rhe wearher. — me. i'm going home. let's get the weather. 7 ' r:t“ the weather. hello? it's aidan mcgivern here with the gb news forecast from the met office if you've been affected by any of today's showers as well, they will ease through the evening with spells developing with clear spells developing overnight, but further showers expected on thursday more expected on thursday before more widely sunshine and higher temperatures at the end of the week. low pressure at the moment has brought areas of rain and showers across many parts of the uk. one system clears the east of scotland , pushing into orkney of scotland, pushing into orkney and overnight, but only and shetland overnight, but only as of mainly light as outbreaks of mainly light rain showers elsewhere tend to disappear, although a few will

keep going across western scotland, northern ireland, as well parts of wales. perhaps well as parts of wales. perhaps seeing the shower overnight, seeing the odd shower overnight, but otherwise a but otherwise clear spells a fresher night. i think compared with recent nights , but still with recent nights, but still warmer than average with temperatures staying at 1415 celsius the south, 12 to 13 celsius in the south, 12 to 13 further north. we're soon seeing those showers develop once again across scotland and northern ireland on wednesday morning. and and western and then central and western parts england, as as parts of england, as well as wales. once these showers wales. once again, these showers will highly localised and in will be highly localised and in some they'll downpour some places they'll be downpour after hail after downpour with some hail and other places will and lightning. other places will stay avoid the showers, stay dry and avoid the showers, particularly towards the south—east, where temperatures will celsius. but will reach 27 or 28 celsius. but fairly widely the uk, low fairly widely across the uk, low to are expected away to mid 20s are expected away from any downpours . showers will from any downpours. showers will only keep going until about 8 or 9 pm. and then clear spells and dry for many overnight. but it stays mild with temperatures up and down the country largely holding up in the teens and perhaps a degree or so higher compared with the forthcoming night. and so it looks like it's going to be a fairly muggy one.

once again, but widely sunny skies as we start off thursday. and for many, it will stay that way into the afternoon. however some clouds will bubble up once again , especially for parts of again, especially for parts of east wales into the midlands, towards south—east of towards the south—east of england and 1 or 2 for northern england, but for much of scotland, northern ireland, southern parts of england, it stays through the day. on stays dry through the day. on thursday , dry again on friday, thursday, dry again on friday, but more unsettled in the northwest later .

and the main news tonight, five and the main news tonight, five peepre— and the main news tonight, five peepre hehe— and the main news tonight, five peepre— and the main news tonight, five peepre hehe— and the main news tonight, five peepre hehe a— and the main news tonight, five people inside a missing peepre hehe a— and the main news tonight, five people inside a missing submersible— people inside a missing submersible which was on its way submersible— people inside a missing submersible which was on its way to submersible which was on its way re wew— submersible which was on its way re rhe— submersible which was on its way to view the wreckage of the to submersible which was on its way re wew— submersible which was on its way re rhe— submersible which was on its way to view the wreckage of the mahre— mahre— to view the wreckage of the titanic, have— to view the wreckage of the to view the wreckage of the titanic, have— to view the wreckage of the titanic, have around 40 hours of titanic, have around 40 hours of oxygen— titanic, have around 40 hours of oxygen reh- — titanic, have around 40 hours of oxygen— titanic, have around 40 hours of oxygen reh- — titanic, have around 40 hours of oxygen here. he— titanic, have around 40 hours of oxygen left. t “g titanic, have around 40 hours of oxygen left. t “3 ”cl: oxygen left. it's being reported oxygen here. he— titanic, have around 40 hours of oxygen left. t “g titanic, have around 40 hours of oxygen left. t “3 ”cl: oxygen left. it's being reported that specialist equipment here that specialist in the uk with the capability to help locate the vessel has been

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