update from across the latest update from across the pond as to what's happening with that missing submarine that went down to have a look at the titanic and we have an update on the story. the we the hate cleric story. the we exposed night. mr abbas was exposed last night. mr abbas was on a tour of the united kingdom . i'm pleased to say one of his events has already been cancelled. that and much else after the news headlines with polly middlehurst . after the news headlines with polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you, wm— polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you, wm the— polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you, will the very— polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you, will the very latest- 3: nigel, thank you, will the very latest on our top story— you, will the very latest on our top story this— you, will the very latest on our top story this hour— you, will the very latest on our top story this hour is that the us top story this hour is that the us coast— top story this hour is that the us coast guard— top story this hour is that the us coast guard says they're searching— us coast guard says they're searching an— us coast guard says they're searching an area under water where— searching an area under water nnene nones— searching an area under water where noises have been detected as one— where noises have been detected as one nee— where noises have been detected as one no— where noises have been detected as they race to find— where noises have been detected as they race to find a missing nonnsn— as they race to find a missing tourist submersible visiting the mono.— tourist submersible visiting the mono. noe— tourist submersible visiting the titanic. five kyiv_ tourist submersible visiting the titanic. five kyiv surface assess— titanic. five kyiv surface ossesn one— titanic. five kyiv surface assets and two- titanic. five kyiv surface assets and two remotely operated venees— assets and two remotely operated venees one— assets and two remotely operated vehicles are currently deployed in one— vehicles are currently deployed in one nonn— vehicles are currently deployed in the north atlantic. officials did,— in the north atlantic. officials on, noneven— in the north atlantic. officials did, however, say— in the north atlantic. officials did, however, say they don't neouy— did, however, say they don't really know— did, however, say they don't really know what the noises are or really know what the noises are on n— really know what the noises are on if one— really know what the noises are or if they originated from the neon— or if they originated from the neon nun— or if they originated from the titan, but trained audiologists

are titan, but trained audiologists lessening— titan, but trained audiologists are listening in— titan, but trained audiologists are listening in and analysing enose— are listening in and analysing inose noises— are listening in and analysing those noises ._ are listening in and analysing those noises . five people are those noises. five people are inside— those noises. five people are inside ine— those noises. five people are inside the craft— those noises. five people are inside the craft ._ those noises. five people are inside the craft . they may have inside the craft. they may have as nine— inside the craft. they may have as iiiiie os— inside the craft. they may have as little as 20— inside the craft. they may have as little as 20 hours of oxygen ieii— as little as 20 hours of oxygen ieii ,— as little as 20 hours of oxygen left , limited— as little as 20 hours of oxygen left , limited rations as little as 20 hours of oxygen left, limited rations on board as wen.— left, limited rations on board as well. british,— left, limited rations on board as well. british, pakistani businessman— as well. british, pakistani businessman shahzada dawood and his businessman shahzada dawood and nis son— businessman shahzada dawood and his son sulaiman_ businessman shahzada dawood and his son sulaiman are on board oione— his son sulaiman are on board oione winn— his son sulaiman are on board along with british billionaire expioiei— along with british billionaire explorer hamish harding. captain jamie— explorer hamish harding. captain jamie frederick— explorer hamish harding. captain jamie frederick from the us coosignoni— jamie frederick from the us coastguard said— jamie frederick from the us coastguard said within the last noni— coastguard said within the last hour rescuers— coastguard said within the last hour rescuers have to remain opiinisiie— hour rescuers have to remain opiinisiie. — hour rescuers have to remain optimistic . the— hour rescuers have to remain optimistic . f ”if." optimistic. the surface search is now approximate two times the size of connecticut and the sub surface search is up to two and a half miles deep. surface search is up to two and a half miles deep . exponentially a half miles deep. exponentially expand , adding the size of the expand, adding the size of the search area . we also have to search area. we also have to factor in the ever changing weather conditions, currents and sea states that expand the search area every hour . there is search area every hour. there is an enormous complexity associated with this case due to the location being so offshore so far offshore, and the coordination between multiple agencies and nations . well, agencies and nations. well, we'll keep you up- agencies and nations. well, we'll keep you up to- g: a“: well, we'll keep you up to date on insi— we'll keep you up to date on no snow,— we'll keep you up to date on no snow, oi— we'll keep you up to date on that story, of course, throughout- that story, of course, throughout the rest of the evening. — throughout the rest of the evening. meanwhile a man was

onesiei— evening. meanwhile a man was onesiei noisy— evening. meanwhile a man was arrested today following a sensing— arrested today following a stabbing outside central middlesex_ stabbing outside central. middlesex_west middlesex hospital in west ionion— middlesex hospital in west ionion. ino— middlesex hospital in west london. two people sustained ininnes— london. two people sustained ininnes one— london. two people sustained injuries, one-life- injuries, one with life threatening- injuries, one with life threatening injuries. the suspen— threatening injuries. the suspect admitted to hospital winn— suspect admitted to hospital viin evee— suspect admitted to hospital with severe self—inflicted ininries— with severe self—inflicted ininries .— with severe self—inflicted ininries . a— with severe self—inflicted injuries . a spokesperson for the injuries. a spokesperson for the nosoiioi— injuries. a spokesperson for the nospiioi sovs— injuries. a spokesperson for the hospital says the— injuries. a spokesperson for the hospital says the building was ienpororiiv— hospital says the building was temporarily locked down but has sie— temporarily locked down but has since reopened.— temporarily locked down but has since reopened. armed police ieoiovei— since reopened. armed police were deployed to— since reopened. armed police were deployed to the scene , but were deployed to the scene, but the were deployed to the scene, but ine ineiieni— were deployed to the scene, but the incident was— were deployed to the scene, but the incident was not being ireoiei— the incident was not being ireoiei os— the incident was not being treated as terror related . now, treated as terror related. now, as von-ve been— treated as terror related. now, as you've been hearing, the uk's iniioiion— as you've been hearing, the uk's inflation rate— as you've been hearing, the uk's inflation rate stayed the same , inflation rate stayed the same, iespiie— inflation rate stayed the same, despite expectations there may nove— despite expectations there may nove been— despite expectations there may nove ieen o— despite expectations there may have been a little— despite expectations there may have been a little fall. the office— have been a little fall. the office for— have been a little fall. the office for national statistics reieosei— office for national statistics released its— office for national statistics released its figures showing iniioiion— released its figures showing inflation stayed at 8.7, up till the inflation stayed at 8.7, up till ine eni— inflation stayed at 8.7, up till ine eni oi— inflation stayed at 8.7, up till the end of may.— inflation stayed at 8.7, up till the end of may. that's the same nie— the end of may. that's the same roie os— the end of may. that's the same roie as during— the end of may. that's the same rate as during april, and that os ine— rate as during april, and that comes as the uk's debt net debt reoenei— comes as the uk's debt net debt reoenei ine— comes as the uk's debt net debt reached £2.6 trillion at the end of reached £2.6 trillion at the end oi ine— reached £2.6 trillion at the end oi ine sne— reached £2.6 trillion at the end of the same month. meanwhile, the of the same month. meanwhile, ine oversee— of the same month. meanwhile, ine overoee un— of the same month. meanwhile, the average uk house price increased— the average uk house price inereosei iv— the average uk house price increased by 3.5% in the 12 nonins— increased by 3.5% in the 12 nonins io— increased by 3.5% in the 12 months to april— increased by 3.5% in the 12 months to april . the government months to april. the government has months to april. the government nos sei— months to april. the government nos sei oni— months to april. the government nos sei oni o— months to april. the government has set out a major— months to april. the government has set out a major package of iinoneioi— has set out a major package of financial support— has set out a major package of financial support for ukraine to

noisier— financial support for ukraine to noisier ine— financial support for ukraine to bolster the country's economic sioiiiiiv— bolster the country's economic sioiiiiiv os— bolster the country's economic stability as it— bolster the country's economic stability as it continues to onsn— stability as it continues to onsn noon— stability as it continues to push back russian forces . the push back russian forces. the peerage— push back russian forces. the package includes— push back russian forces. the package includes a £20 million ioosi— package includes a £20 million ioosi io— package includes a £20 million boost to ensure— package includes a £20 million boost to ensure companies working— boost to ensure companies working in— boost to ensure companies working in ukraine are funded properiv— working in ukraine are funded properiv .— working in ukraine are funded properiv . insi— working in ukraine are funded properly . that includes the properly. that includes the running— properly. that includes the inning oi— properly. that includes the funding of £2.35 billion of none— funding of £2.35 billion of world bank— funding of £2.35 billion of world bank loan guarantees supponing— world bank loan guarantees snoooning ine— world bank loan guarantees supporting the restoration of viioi— supporting the restoration of viioi public— supporting the restoration of vital public services, including running— vital public services, including running schools— vital public services, including running schools and hospitals. ine— running schools and hospitals. ine nine— running schools and hospitals. the prime minister says russia nosi— the prime minister says russia nnsi pov— the prime minister says russia nnsi pay nor— the prime minister says russia nnsi pay for ine— the prime minister says russia must pay for the destruction is— must pay for the destruction it's inflicted _ must pay for the destruction it's inflicted as— must pay for the destruction it's inflicted as a— must pay for the destruction it's inflicted as a result of ine— it's inflicted as a result of ine — it's inflicted as a result of the war. that's— it's inflicted as a result of the war. that's your news you're up the war. that's your news you're no io— the war. that's your news you're no io none— the war. that's your news you're no io ioie on— the war. that's your news you're up to date on tv— the war. that's your news you're up to date on tv online dab+ noiio— up to date on tv online dab+ noiio oni— up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the— up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is en— radio and the tune in app. this is en nevs— radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. this— radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. this is— radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. this is britain's news. channel vveii— news. channel vveii .- news. channel well , it's the same news. channel- well , it's the same story news. channel— well , it's the same story as well, it's the same story as iosi— well, it's the same story as iosi nonin. — well, it's the same story as last month. the- well, it's the same story as last month. iii" last month. the inflation figures were out at 7:00 this morning and once again, the markets, the city, the analysts are all shocked. why because inflation didn't fall . and

inflation didn't fall. and that's despite the fact that, of course, filling up the car is much cheaper than it was this time last year. that the rocketing food inflation was less than it had been the previous month. but it is the underlying core inflation that has the problem. now, has caused the problem. now, i have to say i do hold the governor of the bank of england, bailey, very responsible for this. he didn't even see it coming. and when it did appear, he said, don't worry, your poor little heads, this will merely be transitory. now we're be transitory. and now we're ramping up interest rates. they will go up again tomorrow. it'll be the 13th rise in rates as they try to dampen it down. but nobody, of course, acknowledges at all that the massive increase in the money supply. years of quantitative easing have anything to do with it .7 no, no, anything to do with it.7 no, no, no. we can't say that it reminds me of a comment i heard in 1980 from enoch powell, a very early monetarist who said inflation an is a disease of money caused by government . and i believe that government. and i believe that to be the case, except in this particular case, i think it's

the bank of england. do you agree with me.7 has the bank of england blown it.7 give me your thoughts, farage at gb news .com . liam halligan gb news is economics and business editor joins me . economics and business editor joins me. liam one of rishi's big five pledges is that by christmas inflation will be down under 3. not going to happen is it. that quote you just gave? interestingly, nigel, it echoed the interestingly, nigel, it echoed ine voris— interestingly, nigel, it echoed ine voris oi— interestingly, nigel, it echoed the words of a— interestingly, nigel, it echoed the words of a nobel laureate eooii— the words of a nobel laureate economist milton— the words of a nobel laureate economist milton friedman. of course , inflation— economist milton friedman. of course , inflation is always and course, inflation is always and evervvnere— course, inflation is always and evervvnere o— course, inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.- everywhere a monetary phenomenon. let's come to on ononiiioiive— phenomenon. let's come to on quantitative easing, because i iire— quantitative easing, because i iiie vou— quantitative easing, because i iiie von .— quantitative easing, because i iire von . nove— quantitative easing, because i like you , have been very like you, have been very eriiieoi— like you, have been very critical of _ like you, have been very critical of quantitative easing for critical of quantitative easing ior nonv— critical of quantitative easing ior nenv veers — critical of quantitative easing for many years. and just look at the for many years. and just look at ine nnrnersi— for many years. and just look at the numbers, 8.7%_ for many years. and just look at the numbers, 8.7% inflation ioiev— the numbers, 8.7% inflation ioiev in— the numbers, 8.7% inflation ioeev in nev— the numbers, 8.7% inflation ioeev in iiev. e— the numbers, 8.7% inflation today in may, a huge surprise . today in may, a huge surprise. ainosi— today in may, a huge surprise. ainosi no— today in may, a huge surprise. almost no one— today in may, a huge surprise. almost no one saw that coming in. iniieiion— almost no one saw that coming in. inflation now— almost no one saw that coming in. inflation now is— almost no one saw that coming in. inflation now is an outlier in. inflation now is an outlier in ine— in. inflation now is an outlier in ine un— in. inflation now is an outlier in the uk because eurozone iniieiion— in the uk because eurozone inflation is— in the uk because eurozone inflation is 6.1.— in the uk because eurozone inflation is 6.1. us inflation is e.— inflation is 6.1. us inflation is .. so— inflation is 6.1. us inflation is .. so ve— inflation is 6.1. us inflation is 4. so we do— inflation is 6.1. us inflation is 4. so we do have the highest iniieiion— is 4. so we do have the highest iniieiion iv— is 4. so we do have the highest iniieiion iv e— is 4. so we do have the highest inflation by a long— is 4. so we do have the highest inflation by a long way in the g7 inflation by a long way in the ei in— inflation by a long way in the ei in food— inflation by a long way in the g7 in food price— inflation by a long way in the g7 in food price inflation. siiii— g7 in food price inflation. still above— g7 in food price inflation. still above 18.— g7 in food price inflation. still above 18. even though vnoieseie— still above 18. even though wholesale food _ still above 18. even though wholesale food prices have come down—

wholesale food prices have come down e— wholesale food prices have come down e on — wholesale food prices have come down a lot. but— wholesale food prices have come down a lot. but as— wholesale food prices have come down a lot. but as you say , its down a lot. but as you say, its core inflation,— down a lot. but as you say, its core inflation, this— down a lot. but as you say, its core inflation, this is inflation. _ core inflation, this is inflation. when you strip out vol inflation. when you strip out voi sivie— inflation. when you strip out vol style things— inflation. when you strip out vol style things like food prises— vol style things like food prices enerev— vol style things like food prices, energy prices, alcohol prise— prices, energy prices, alcohol prise is— prices, energy prices, alcohol rise is noi— prices, energy prices, alcohol price is not much— prices, energy prices, alcohol price is not much fun for you . price is not much fun for you. ineni— price is not much fun for you. ineni vou— price is not much fun for you. everything. thank you. everything. ivervinine.— thank you. everything. everything. lots- everything. lots of everything. lots of things everything. lots of things that are everything. lots of things that inporieei— everything. lots of things that are imported. so— everything. lots of things that are imported. so you strip out ine— are imported. so you strip out ine evenenee— are imported. so you strip out the exchange rate— are imported. so you strip out the exchange rate implications on on inflation— the exchange rate implications on on inflation and it's the unnerving— on on inflation and it's the underlying domestic price pressure from _ underlying domestic price pressure from wage bargaining, iron— pressure from wage bargaining, iron snppiv— pressure from wage bargaining, from supply chains domestically and from supply chains domestically eni inieei— from supply chains domestically and indeed from _ from supply chains domestically and indeed from monetary growth. and and indeed from monetary growth. ani inei— and indeed from monetary growth. ani inei sore— and indeed from monetary growth. and that core inflation went up iron— and that core inflation went up iron oer/o— and that core inflation went up iron we in— and that core inflation went up from 6.8% in april to 7.1% in iiev. — from 6.8% in april to 7.1% in iiev. ani— from 6.8% in april to 7.1% in iiev. one iei-s— from 6.8% in april to 7.1% in may. and let's have a quick look ieiore— may. and let's have a quick look ieiore ve— may. and let's have a quick look before we talk— may. and let's have a quick look before we talk about qe at inieresi— before we talk about qe at interest rates— before we talk about qe at interest rates ,_ before we talk about qe at interest rates , where they're interest rates, where they're going— interest rates, where they're going io — interest rates, where they're going io go — interest rates, where they're going to go tomorrow. we can see iron— going to go tomorrow. we can see iron inis— going to go tomorrow. we can see iron inis graph— going to go tomorrow. we can see from this graph that— going to go tomorrow. we can see from this graph that the bank of ingieni— from this graph that the bank of ingiene regi— from this graph that the bank of england kept interest rates nine— england kept interest rates niire ion.— england kept interest rates ultra low, 2017— england kept interest rates ultra low, 2017 all the way inrongn— ultra low, 2017 all the way inroegn io— ultra low, 2017 all the way through to 2021. then you had inose— through to 2021. then you had inose i2— through to 2021. then you had those 12 successive rises. inei-s— those 12 successive rises. inei-s vnv— those 12 successive rises. that's why 5—3- those 12 successive rises. that's why 5—3 and two year nongege— that's why 5—3 and two year mortgage deals— that's why 5—3 and two year mortgage deals as they're now ........g.g,_ mortgage deals as they're now unwinding, people are having to renongege— unwinding, people are having to renongege ei— unwinding, people are having to remortgage at much, much higher reesi— remortgage at much, much higher reesi nei— remortgage at much, much higher reesi nni ine— remortgage at much, much higher rates. but the bank— remortgage at much, much higher rates. but the bank of england

tomorrow, it's— rates. but the bank of england tomorrow, it's nailed on. it's going— tomorrow, it's nailed on. it's going io— tomorrow, it's nailed on. it's going io go— tomorrow, it's nailed on. it's going to 90 from _ tomorrow, it's nailed on. it's going to go from at least 4.5% iese— going to go from at least 4.5% iese reie. — going to go from at least 4.5% base rate. base— going to go from at least 4.5% base rate. base rates and 4.75, oossiiiv— base rate. base rates and 4.75, gossiniv even— base rate. base rates and 4.75, possibly even to— base rate. base rates and 4.75, possibly even to 5.— base rate. base rates and 4.75, possibly even to 5. the money nerveis— possibly even to 5. the money nerveis ee— possibly even to 5. the money markets are now— possibly even to 5. the money markets are now saying there's a see— markets are now saying there's a 50g sensne— markets are now saying there's a 50% chance that— markets are now saying there's a 50% chance that that will happen . a more— 50% chance that that will happen . a more radical— 50% chance that that will happen . a more radical interest rate ise— . a more radical interest rate io— . a more radical interest rate io irv— . a more radical interest rate io irv eni— . a more radical interest rate rise to try and stamp down on iniieiion. — rise to try and stamp down on inflation. this,— rise to try and stamp down on inflation. this, of— rise to try and stamp down on inflation. " vi.i::v. inflation. this, of course, impacts on people's lives in an enormous way. and we'll be in barnsley doing a farage at large tomorrow night. you'll be with me and we'll be talking to folk there about what this means for them. responsible the them. how responsible is the bank of this? there are bank for all of this? there are many reasons for this uk inflation. there's lockdown, of sonrse—nnge- course, which caused huge iniieiion. — course, which caused huge. inflation. _that course, which caused huge- inflation. _that , inflation. then on top of that, ine— inflation. then on top of that, ine ver— inflation. then on top of that, ine in— inflation. then on top of that, the war in ukraine, though, we nosi— the war in ukraine, though, we nnsi sev— the war in ukraine, though, we nnsi sev un— the war in ukraine, though, we must say uk inflation was a 30 veer— must say uk inflation was a 30 veer-even— must say uk inflation was a 30 year-even before- must say uk inflation was a 30 year even before putin's year high even before putin's ivsio— year high even before putin's in— year high even before putin's invasion in february 2022. but for invasion in february 2022. but ior ne— invasion in february 2022. but ior ne .— invasion in february 2022. but ior ne . ine— invasion in february 2022. but for me , the issue— invasion in february 2022. but for me , the issue that no for me, the issue that no rneinsreerni— for me, the issue that no mainstream commentators like ieiting— mainstream commentators like ieiiing eioni— mainstream commentators like talking about, certainly not rnernersi— talking about, certainly not rnernersi oi— talking about, certainly not members of the monetary policy sonniiiee. — members of the monetary policy committee. oh,— members of the monetary policy committee. oh, no— members of the monetary policy committee. oh, no , it wouldn't committee. oh, no, it wouldn't be ine— committee. oh, no, it wouldn't be ine none— committee. oh, no, it wouldn't be the done thing,— committee. oh, no, it wouldn't be the done thing, chaps and snens— be the done thing, chaps and snens is— be the done thing, chaps and sneps is ine— be the done thing, chaps and chaps is the fact— be the done thing, chaps and chaps is the fact that we have nessiveiv— chaps is the fact that we have massively expanded the central tent-s— massively expanded the central bank's balance— massively expanded the central bank's balance sheet since 2009.

enenie— bank's balance sheet since 2009. enenie oi— bank's balance sheet since 2009. quanta of easing— bank's balance sheet since 2009. quanta of easing an emergency vnisn— quanta of easing an emergency measure which i— quanta of easing an emergency measure which i agreed with in part— measure which i agreed with in ten ei— measure which i agreed with in gen ei ine— measure which i agreed with in part at the beginning to stop the part at the beginning to stop ine ienting— part at the beginning to stop the banking system collapsing. but the banking system collapsing. nni ine— the banking system collapsing. but the emergency measure became a but the emergency measure became e iiiesivie— but the emergency measure became a lifestyle choice.— but the emergency measure became a lifestyle choice. it— but the emergency measure became a lifestyle choice. it became srest— a lifestyle choice. it became crack cocaine _ a lifestyle choice. it became crack cocaine of— a lifestyle choice. it became crack cocaine of economics iese— crack cocaine of economics iese ii— crack cocaine of economics because it ramped up financial nerveis— because it ramped up financial nerteis ensi— because it ramped up financial markets and it— because it ramped up financial markets and it meant governments sovie— markets and it meant governments sonii iorrovv— markets and it meant governments could borrow cheaply . vim markets and it meant governments could borrow cheaply . : v: could borrow cheaply. what did it rise— could borrow cheaply. what did ii is? ii— could borrow cheaply. what did it do? it made the rich richer. it made the rich richer. okay. ion— it made the rich richer. okay. ion nei— it made the rich richer. okay. ion nee ine— it made the rich richer. okay. you had the asset— it made the rich richer. okay. you had the asset push inflation.— you had the asset push inflation. it— you had the asset push inflation. it was asset push iniieiion. — inflation. it was asset push inflation. it— inflation. it was asset push inflation. it was— inflation. it was asset push inflation. it was asset push inflation. it was a huge driver of inflation. it was a huge driver oi veeiin— inflation. it was a huge driver of wealth inequality. it pushed up nonse— of wealth inequality. it pushed up house prices— of wealth inequality. it pushed up house prices for people who nei— up house prices for people who nee nonses— up house prices for people who nee nonses .— up house prices for people who had houses , made— up house prices for people who had houses , made it more had houses, made it more iiiiisnii— had houses, made it more difficult for— had houses, made it more difficult for people who didn't. but difficult for people who didn't. in ne— difficult for people who didn't. in we nnsi— difficult for people who didn't. but we must distinguish nigel ieiveen— but we must distinguish nigel ieiveen pre— but we must distinguish nigel between pre covid era qe from zoos»— between pre covid era qe from zoos» io— between pre covid era qe from zooo to zone — between pre covid era qe from 2009 to 2019. that was £425 iiiiion— 2009 to 2019. that was £425 billion export— 2009 to 2019. that was £425 billion export version of the nenv— billion export version of the nenr oi— billion export version of the bank of england's balance sheet . iesiseiiv— bank of england's balance sheet , basically creating— bank of england's balance sheet , basically creating money from noining— , basically creating money from noining .— , basically creating money from nothing , digital— , basically creating money from nothing, digital money , basically creating money from nothing , digital money from nothing, digital money from noiiing— nothing, digital money from noining. oni— nothing, digital money from nothing. but we did more qe onring— nothing. but we did more qe inring ine— nothing. but we did more qe during the two— nothing. but we did more qe during the two years of lockdown. _ during the two years of lockdown. nigel than we did onring— lockdown. nigel than we did inring ine— lockdown. nigel than we did during the previous ten years. qe during the previous ten years. on nonev— during the previous ten years. qe money printing funded inriongn— qe money printing funded inriongn .— qe money printing funded inriongn . ii— qe money printing funded furlough . it funded lockdown. it furlough. it funded lockdown. it neste— furlough. it funded lockdown. it neie inei— furlough. it funded lockdown. it made that ridiculous policy, in my made that ridiculous policy, in nv viev— made that ridiculous policy, in nv .— made that ridiculous policy, in my view , possible. and the post

my view, possible. and the post covio— my view, possible. and the post covio oi— my view, possible. and the post covid qe nigel— my view, possible. and the post covid qe nigel and this is vnei-s— covid qe nigel and this is what's barely— covid qe nigel and this is what's barely acknowledged. i've neste— what's barely acknowledged. i've neie inis— what's barely acknowledged. i've made this point— what's barely acknowledged. i've made this point many columns neriienenierv— made this point many columns parliamentary select committees nosi— parliamentary select committees nosi covio. — parliamentary select committees nosi covio. oi— parliamentary select committees post covm. qe is— parliamentary select committees post covid. qe is more inflationary— post covid. qe is more inflationary because the pre covio— inflationary because the pre covio oi— inflationary because the pre covid qe stayed inside the iinensiei— covid qe stayed inside the financial system. it went back to ine— financial system. it went back to the central— financial system. it went back to the central bank as the eserve— to the central bank as the eserve oi— to the central bank as the reserve of the— to the central bank as the reserve of the banks that had soii— reserve of the banks that had soii ine— reserve of the banks that had sold the gilts_ reserve of the banks that had sold the gilts to— reserve of the banks that had sold the gilts to the central ienr. — sold the gilts to the central ienr. inis— sold the gilts to the central bank. this was— sold the gilts to the central bank. this was different. yeah, irnsi— bank. this was different. yeah, irnsi rne— bank. this was different. yeah, irnsi i— bank. this was different. yeah, trust me, i know— bank. this was different. yeah, trust me, i know you get this iiongi— trust me, i know you get this inongn. ii-s— trust me, i know you get this though. it's complicated, but eno— though. it's complicated, but viewers and listeners should nniersieni— viewers and listeners should understand that. post covid qe sreeieo— understand that. post covid qe sreeiei iv— understand that. post covid qe sreeiei iv ine— understand that. post covid qe created by the bank of england was created by the bank of england neit— created by the bank of england was paid directly— created by the bank of england was paid directly to firms in siii— was paid directly to firms in siii ioens— was paid directly to firms in cbil loans and— was paid directly to firms in cbil loans and covid recovery ioens— cbil loans and covid recovery ioens eni— cbil loans and covid recovery ioens eno io— cbil loans and covid recovery loans and to households in inriongn— loans and to households in inriongn oi— loans and to households in furlough qe funded furlough qe inniei— furlough qe funded furlough qe inniei inose— furlough qe funded furlough qe funded those loans, many of vnisn— funded those loans, many of vnisn oi— funded those loans, many of which of course— funded those loans, many of which of course haven't been resoverei so— which of course haven't been recovered. so government policy viii— recovered. so government policy viin ine— recovered. so government policy viin ine nent— recovered. so government policy with the bank of— recovered. so government policy with the bank of england has sensed— with the bank of england has sensei inis— with the bank of england has caused this problem. "iii: caused this problem. there's no nonbi— caused this problem. there's no doubt in— caused this problem. there's no doubt in my mind about that, nor in yours. and yet the labour party don't even challenge them on it. almost no mainstream noiiiisien— on it. almost no mainstream politician talks— . almost no mainstream politician talks about qe, one inei— politician talks about qe, one tie in,— politician talks about qe, one on in, io— politician talks about qe, one that did, to her— politician talks about qe, one that did, to her credit , she that did, to her credit, she sign-i— that did, to her credit, she iiin-i gei— that did, to her credit, she didn't get much right was inerese— didn't get much right was theresa may.— didn't get much right was theresa may. she talked a bit

eioni— theresa may. she talked a bit eioni oi— theresa may. she talked a bit eioni on in— theresa may. she talked a bit about qe in one— theresa may. she talked a bit about qe in one speech that she gave,— about qe in one speech that she geve. eni— about qe in one speech that she geve, ene sne— about qe in one speech that she gave, and she was— about qe in one speech that she gave, and she was the bank of ingieno— gave, and she was the bank of ingieni eno— gave, and she was the bank of england and economics policy england and the economics policy establishment. _ england and the economics policy establishment. came down on establishment. they came down on her establishment. they came down on ner-e— establishment. they came down on ner-e tonne— establishment. they came down on ner-e ionne oi— establishment. they came down on her a tonne of bricks. her like a tonne of bricks. visit.— her like a tonne of bricks. visit. i— her like a tonne of bricks. well, i knew— her like a tonne of bricks. well, i knew she- her like a tonne of bricks. well, i knew she must- her like a tonne of bricks. well, i knew she must have got something right. liam, there's no prospect this ending soon, no prospect of this ending soon, is well it will get worse is there? well it will get worse before gets better, in before it gets better, both in terms interest rates and terms of interest rates and mortgage pain. but look , i don't mortgage pain. but look, i don't veni— mortgage pain. but look, i don't venilie— mortgage pain. but look, i don't want-be completely- 33 " but look, i don't want be completely alarmist want to be completely alarmist nee.— want to be completely alarmist nere. i— want to be completely alarmist nere. i ion-i— want to be completely alarmist here. i don't think— want to be completely alarmist here. i don't think the banks ensi— here. i don't think the banks and-building— here. i don't think the banks and building societies are and the building societies are going— and the building societies are goinglgo_ and the building societies are goinglgo-inio- going to go quickly into repossession— going to go quickly into repossession mode. this mortgage nein— repossession mode. this mortgage rein-sonieinei— repossession mode. this mortgage pain-contained and- pain will be contained and neiniv— pain will be contained and neiniv io— pain will be contained and mainly to, i'm— pain will be contained and mainly to, i'm afraid, people in men— mainly to, i'm afraid, people in ineir oos— mainly to, i'm afraid, people in their 30s and— mainly to, i'm afraid, people in their 30s and 40s— mainly to, i'm afraid, people in their 30s and 40s who have got nign— their 30s and 40s who have got nign nongege— their 30s and 40s who have got high mortgage costs. and i do ininr— high mortgage costs. and i do inint ine— high mortgage costs. and i do think the banks— high mortgage costs. and i do think the banks and the building sosieiies— think the banks and the building societies will— think the banks and the building societies will make easy for societies will make it easy for people— societies will make it easy for people extensi— societies will make it easy for people extend ending mortgage inreiions— people extend ending mortgage durations-loans— people extend ending mortgage durations-loans ,- people extend ending mortgage durations loans , moving durations and loans, moving oeonie— durations and loans, moving people seamlessly from repayment nongeges— people seamlessly from repayment nongeges onio— people seamlessly from repayment mortgages onto interest only nongeges— mortgages onto interest only nongeges ior— mortgages onto interest only nongeges ior e— mortgages onto interest only mortgages for a while in order to keep— mortgages for a while in order to keep inese— mortgages for a while in order to keep these increases in noniniv— to keep these increases in monthly mortgage payments as low as monthly mortgage payments as low es inev— monthly mortgage payments as low es inev nossiniv— monthly mortgage payments as low as they possibly can— monthly mortgage payments as low as they possibly can be. but iienr— as they possibly can be. but liam halligan— as they possibly can be. but liam halligan says it'll get worse before it gets better. thank you for joining worse before it gets better. thank you forjoining me. see thank you for joining me. see you in barnsley tomorrow evening. now, what does all this

mean for you? is there is there a mortgage bomb coming for people? well, one of the points that liam touched on there is lots of people who've had fixed term mortgages at very, very low rates over the course of the next year or so. those deals come to an end. they've got to get new mortgage rates. it's going to be very, very tough indeed. going to be very, very tough indeed . it's one of those indeed. it's one of those situations for savers. of course, this is quite good and savers have had a miserable time. eddie trowel is chairman of disruptive capital finance . of disruptive capital finance. us . a mortgage. a mortgage us eddie. a mortgage. a mortgage bomb. how how bad is it going to be for people? i think it's going to be exacerbated. i mean, we've all noticed interest- gift 3 i mean, we've all noticed interest rates are we've all noticed interest rates going— we've all noticed interest rates going no.— we've all noticed interest rates are going up. they've got to go up are going up. they've got to go no io— are going up. they've got to go no to irv— are going up. they've got to go no to irv eno— are going up. they've got to go up to try and keep— are going up. they've got to go up to try and keep inflation tonn— up to try and keep inflation down, though. _ up to try and keep inflation down, though. i— up to try and keep inflation down, though. i looked at the orevions— down, though. i looked at the previous piece.— down, though. i looked at the previous piece. absolutely igni— previous piece. absolutely rigni.—iionevl right. the magic money tree oriniing— right. the magic money tree printing quantitative easing printing of quantitative easing inring. — printing of quantitative easing enring. ivon— printing of quantitative easing during. printing of quantitative easing- during. .you remember motty in during. do you remember motty in monetary this is what monetary theory, this is what they were all talking about. yeah, i'm afraid to say yeah, well, i'm afraid to say i still remember congdon. i still remember tim congdon. i think he's the old think he's great. the old fashioned— think he's great. the old- fashioned—monetary fashioned thatcherite monetary economics for— fashioned thatcherite monetary economics for me— fashioned thatcherite monetary economics for me are right.

veen. — economics for me are right. veen. oni— economics for me are right. en in ii— economics for me are right. yeah. but if we— economics for me are right. yeah. but if we think about nongeges.— yeah. but if we think about nongeges-oi- yeah. but if we think about mortgages. of course mortgages. yep of course inieresi— mortgages. yep of course interest rates— mortgages. yep of course interest rates go up. mortgage retes— interest rates go up. mortgage reies go— interest rates go up. mortgage reies go no.— interest rates go up. mortgage reies go no. oni— interest rates go up. mortgage rates go up. but the bank of ingieni— rates go up. but the bank of ingieni io— rates go up. but the bank of ingiene io nv— rates go up. but the bank of england to my is england to my mind, is exacerbating- england to my mind, is exacerbating problem exacerbating that problem ieense— exacerbating that problem because - are - exacerbating that problem because-are at- exacerbating that problem because are at the same because they are at the same time— because they are at the same time increasing— because they are at the same time increasing the amount of seoiiei— time increasing the amount of seoiiei ine— time increasing the amount of capital the banks— time increasing the amount of capital the banks have to hold egeinsi— capital the banks have to hold against mortgages. now that in ievnen-s— against mortgages. now that in ievnen-s terns— against mortgages. now that in layman's terms means it becomes more expensive for— layman's terms means it becomes more expensive for a— layman's terms means it becomes more expensive for a bank to give— more expensive for a bank to give von— more expensive for a bank to give von e— more expensive for a bank to give you a mortgage and inereiore— give you a mortgage and therefore the— give you a mortgage and therefore the rate they offer to therefore the rate they offer to the consumer— therefore the rate they offer to the consumer becomes less sonoeiiiive. — the consumer becomes less competitive. oo

been you've been been close and you've been advising. one of points advising. yes. one of the points about came to about brexit, when it came to for money financial markets, the bank of england, is that freed from the european union, we were going to become more competitive. you're saying competitive. what you're saying is the bank of england has actually mortgage actually made our mortgage market competitive . motty market less competitive. motty exactly . it's possibly exactly why. it's possibly a scared reaction to problems like credit suisse, now credit suisse ticked all the boxes , but it ticked all the boxes, but it still had that loss of confidence and went bust . on the confidence and went bust. on the one hand. secondly,— confidence and went bust. on the one hand. secondly, what- vi.i::v“ :i a: on the one hand. secondly, what i'm seving— one hand. secondly, what i'm seving. ii— one hand. secondly, what i'm seving. ii i— one hand. secondly, what i'm seving. ii i sen— one hand. secondly, what i'm saying, if i can perhaps move on to inevit— saying, if i can perhaps move on to brexit. yeah— saying, if i can perhaps move on to brexit. yeah brexit for the eu to brexit. yeah brexit for the no in— to brexit. yeah brexit for the eu in financial— to brexit. yeah brexit for the eu in financial services and we ion-i— eu in financial services and we ion-i ieir— eu in financial services and we don't talk about— eu in financial services and we don't talk about financial servises— don't talk about financial services very— don't talk about financial services very much. �*vvv�*ii; services very much. we talk nesoiie— services very much. we talk despite the fact it's our biggest industry, right? so the trade surplus, if i can- 33 : . 37 so the trade surplus, if i can call it ines— trade surplus, if i can call it inei. ior— trade surplus, if i can call it that, for financial services , that, for financial services, nes— that, for financial services, nes gone— that, for financial services, nes gone no— that, for financial services, has gone up from $70 billion pre orevi— has gone up from $70 billion pre orevii io— has gone up from $70 billion pre orevii io ovi— has gone up from $70 billion pre brexit to $77 billion. so it's gone— brexit to $77 billion. so it's gone no— brexit to $77 billion. so it's gone no io. — brexit to $77 billion. so it's gone up 10. jolly good. it's

massive live _ gone up 10. jolly good. it's massive live export earnings. oesoiie— massive live export earnings. oesoiie eit— massive live export earnings. despite all the— massive live export earnings. despite all the scare- massive live export earnings. despite all the scare stories that we heard. absolutely. now, vverens— that we heard. absolutely. now, vverens eti— that we heard. absolutely. now, where's all that— that we heard. absolutely. now, where's all that growth- : absolutely. now, where's all that growth come om,— where's all that growth come from, however,— where's all that growth come from, however, is— where's all that growth come from, however, is from singapore and switzerland— from, however, is from singapore and switzerland and the us and ansireiie— and switzerland and the us and australia trading— and switzerland and the us and australia trading with non—eu soniies— australia trading with non—eu countries and— australia trading with non—eu countries and the financial servises— countries and the financial services trade— countries and the financial services trade with the eu has gone— services trade with the eu has gone down — services trade with the eu has gone down eni— services trade with the eu has gone down and it's been lose iose— gone down and it's been lose iose. so— gone down and it's been lose iose. so ine— gone down and it's been lose lose. so the eu— gone down and it's been lose lose. so the eu has lost out on iinensiei— lose. so the eu has lost out on financial services— lose. so the eu has lost out on financial services trading with the financial services trading with ine ur— financial services trading with tie iii eni— financial services trading with the uk and the— financial services trading with the uk and the uk has lost out on iinensiei— the uk and the uk has lost out on financial services, trading viii— on financial services, trading viin ine— on financial services, trading viin ine iii.— on financial services, trading with the eu. at— on financial services, trading with the eu. at the same time as nes— with the eu. at the same time as nes ieneiiiei— with the eu. at the same time as has benefited from _ with the eu. at the same time as has benefited from trading with evervooov— has benefited from trading with evervooev eise. — has benefited from trading with everybody else. but generally the everybody else. but generally ine ininsirv— everybody else. but generally the industry is— everybody else. but generally the industry is relatively neeiinv. — the industry is relatively healthy. as— the industry is relatively healthy. e : healthy. as you say, it's done better than all the scaremongering has said. but it just strikes me that the bank of panicked might have made things more had the more difficult when we had the when actually had freedom when actually we had the freedom to the opposite . when you to do the opposite. when you look at it, it's all the rules. it's those eu imposed look at it, it's all the rules. . it's-those eu imposed rules. it's all those eu imposed rules. sorrv—ii— it's all those eu imposed rules. sorry—it almost- sorry that make it almost inoossiiie— sorry that make it almost impossible to— sorry that make it almost impossible to apply for a nongege. — impossible to apply for a mortgage. mean, i'm not mortgage. i mean, i'm not iinensieiiv— mortgage. i mean, i'm not financially unsophisticated, but you financially unsophisticated, but von know.— financially unsophisticated, but von rnov. ii— financially unsophisticated, but you know, it was— financially unsophisticated, but you know, it was doing an a—ievei— you know, it was doing an

a—ievei io— you know, it was doing an a—level to get— you know, it was doing an a—level to get a mortgage. 5g a—level to get a mortgage. big oisinre— a—level to get a mortgage. big oisinre. nov— a—level to get a mortgage. big picture. now we've— a—level to get a mortgage. big picture. now we've got inflation running . at 8.7% and growth. running. at 8.7% and growth. i mean, all right. the euro zone is in recession. we're not in recession. and that perhaps explains why there inflation figure is a bit lower. they also don't have green taxes quite as high as we do, which does make quite a bit of difference . but quite a bit of difference. but economic this country economic growth in this country is pretty bouncing along is pretty much bouncing along the zero. back in the the bottom of zero. back in the 70s, this was called stagflation . is that where we are? it is indeed. and part of that, again . nes— indeed. and part of that, again . nes teen— indeed. and part of that, again . nes ieen ine— indeed. and part of that, again , has been the sorry— :: and part of that, again , has been the sorry to talk eioni— , has been the sorry to talk about pensions— , has been the sorry to talk about pensions for a second, but ine— about pensions for a second, but ine iesi— about pensions for a second, but over the last 15— about pensions for a second, but over the last 15 years, british oension— over the last 15 years, british pension funds,— over the last 15 years, british pension funds, which used to be greet— pension funds, which used to be greei snoooners— pension funds, which used to be great supporters of british ininsirv— great supporters of british industry, used— great supporters of british industry, used to own a lot of snes— industry, used to own a lot of snes in— industry, used to own a lot of shares in britain— industry, used to own a lot of shares in britain have been iorsei— shares in britain have been iorseo iv— shares in britain have been forced by regulation and by rnies— forced by regulation and by rnies io— forced by regulation and by rules to sell— forced by regulation and by rules to sell their equities and buy— rules to sell their equities and onv gins— rules to sell their equities and onv giiis .— rules to sell their equities and onv giiis . eni— rules to sell their equities and buy gilts , and they were forced buy gilts, and they were forced to inv— buy gilts, and they were forced to onv gins— buy gilts, and they were forced to buy gilts when— buy gilts, and they were forced to buy gilts when the rate of interest— to buy gilts when the rate of inieresi von— to buy gilts when the rate of interest you could get on the gin— interest you could get on the giii es— interest you could get on the gilt was virtually— interest you could get on the gilt was virtually zero, was negeiive— gilt was virtually zero, was negative after— gilt was virtually zero, was negative after inflation, and inev— negative after inflation, and inev oni— negative after inflation, and they put money, after money eiier— they put money, after money eiier nonev— they put money, after money after money and— they put money, after money after money and then it all came

none— after money and then it all came none io— after money and then it all came none to oosi— after money and then it all came home to roost. they— after money and then it all came home to roost. they . lost £550 home to roost. they. lost £550 iiiiion— home to roost. they. lost £550 iiiiion in— home to roost. they. lost £550 billion in september , october billion in september, october iesi— billion in september, october iesi veer— billion in september, october iesi veer .— billion in september, october last year . and— billion in september, october last year . and that is money last year. and that is money inei— last year. and that is money on sonie— last year. and that is money that could have— last year. and that is money that could have been put to good work— that could have been put to good work iv— that could have been put to good work iv ine— that could have been put to good work by the companies that soonsorei— work by the companies that sponsored the— work by the companies that sponsored the pension funds to invest— sponsored the pension funds to invesi inio— sponsored the pension funds to invest into the— sponsored the pension funds to invest into the next generation of invest into the next generation oi noinier— invest into the next generation of modular reactors or jet engines— of modular reactors or jet engines or— of modular reactors or jet engines or software or whatever the engines or software or whatever ine neit— engines or software or whatever ine neii ii— engines or software or whatever the hell it was,— engines or software or whatever the hell it was, and instead was put the hell it was, and instead was oni into— the hell it was, and instead was oni inio e— the hell it was, and instead was oni inio e nigniv— the hell it was, and instead was put into a highly unproductive of put into a highly unproductive oi giii— put into a highly unproductive oi giii eigei— put into a highly unproductive of gilt edged investment. put into a highly unproductive of gilt edged investment . and so of gilt edged investment. and so if of gilt edged investment. and so ii ve— of gilt edged investment. and so ii ve sen— of gilt edged investment. and so if we can reform _ of gilt edged investment. and so if we can reform the way that ine— if we can reform the way that ine oension— if we can reform the way that the pension funds work and put nonev— the pension funds work and put nonev io— the pension funds work and put nonev to work— the pension funds work and put money to work into productive essesi— money to work into productive essesi .— money to work into productive assets , equities,— money to work into productive assets , equities, private equity assets, equities, private equity infrastructure _ assets, equities, private equity infrastructure and so on, then we can actually— infrastructure and so on, then we can actually reverse that growin— we can actually reverse that grovin svsie. — we can actually reverse that growth cycle. but that's all well and good. eddie. that's all well and good. eddie. that's all well and good. eddie. that's all well and good, but we've had 13 years of conservative government. yep. the brexit vote was seven years ago tomorrow . was seven years ago tomorrow. yeah. and frankly, what you're saying is they've they and the bank of england have mismanaged the whole of this , i mean, the whole of this, i mean, really badly. yes. there's been a misplaced, in my view, a

misplaced view risk and misplaced view of risk and a misplaced view of risk and a misplaced view of reward. so you think, oh , gilt is safe.— misplaced view of reward. so you think, oh , gilt is safe. a- . so you think, oh , gilt is safe. a gilt think, oh, gilt is safe. a gilt is never safe.— think, oh, gilt is safe. a gilt is never safe. if— think, oh, gilt is safe. a gilt is never safe. if the market has ieen— is never safe. if the market has ieen riggei— is never safe. if the market has ieen riggei iv— is never safe. if the market has been rigged by the central banks and been rigged by the central banks eni so— been rigged by the central banks eni so oeooie— been rigged by the central banks and so people were lured into a oi— and so people were lured into a sense of false— and so people were lured into a sense of false security to invest— sense of false security to invest into _ sense of false security to invest into safe- sense of false security to invest into safe investments inei— invest into safe investments on neve— invest into safe investments that have turned out to be envining— that have turned out to be envining ini— that have turned out to be anything but safe . final thought anything but safe. final thought . viii— anything but safe. final thought . viiii tinni— anything but safe. final thought . will rishi meet— anything but safe. final thought . will rishi meet his- anything but safe. final thought . will rishi meet his inflation target for the end of the year , target for the end of the year, halving inflation? is that the theory? halving inflation? is that the ineorve ieen.— halving inflation? is that the theory? yeah. and— g 7 is that the theory? yeah. and what numbers ioes— theory? yeah. and what numbers ioes inei— theory? yeah. and what numbers ioes on give— theory? yeah. and what numbers does that give us? voice: e does that give us? well, it venti— does that give us? well, it would take us down to about 3% from when he made the pledge. that's quite hard work. i love it. eddie thrall, thank you very much and there are, much indeed. and there we are, folks, you know, i think you've learned learned learned i hope you've learned over the last over the course of the last quarter an hour or so, just quarter of an hour or so, just how badly mismanaged the economy has and this under has been. and this under supposedly a free market conservative government. i have no doubt labour will be even worse. in a moment, let's catch up with what is happening across the sea . the submarine that went

the sea. the submarine that went down with five people on it, three of them from the uk, they went down to have a look at the titanic. there was a press conference not long ago. we'll get the up to date news. we heard this morning. that sounds had heard. give you had been heard. will give you the this dramatic the latest on this dramatic situation where we're told that the people on board have less than 24 hours oxygen left

gb news radio. voice: gb news radio. well, some of your reactions to my question, has the bank of england blown it ? nick says, yes, they printed money during a lockdown and haven't increased interest rates high enough to get on top of the problem at the beginning ? i problem at the beginning? i suspect rishi will likely increase taxes next and make the cost of living worse. well, the b of should have been b of a should have been increasing earlier , but increasing rates earlier, but they didn't do it. you know why they didn't do it. you know why they inflation coming they didn't see inflation coming . and as for rishi, raising taxes, well , that be quite taxes, well, that would be quite dangerous, think ahead of dangerous, i think ahead of an election year. and oliver

election next year. and oliver says everything. says they've blown everything. nige the imf. well, nige including the imf. well, you've got to ask , is which you've got to ask, is which government or group of individuals are responsible? well, oliver, i think we debated that in the first segment. we've decided pretty much whole of decided pretty much the whole of government bank of government and the bank of england wrong. england have got things wrong. now, the we heard this now, the news we heard this morning huge search and morning is this huge search and rescue operation that is going on around the wreck of the titanic. sounds had been heard this morning. titanic. sounds had been heard this morning . at the moment, the this morning. at the moment, the expedition is being led by americans, by canadians. it's based in newfoundland. and there were some french people working on the rescue as well . british on the rescue as well. british help, for some reason was rejected. we understand said that the sub would run out of oxygen at some point tomorrow. we're joining me perhaps to try and find out what really is going on is brent sadler, senior research for naval research fellow for naval warfare at the heritage foundation . brent, do we take foundation. brent, do we take the news that sounds were heard tapping sounds were heard this morning. do we believe that to

be true . for this? and until be true. for this? and until ineres— be true. for this? and until inere-s e— be true. for this? and until there's a visual— 57 and until there's a visual correlation viii— there's a visual correlation viin ine — there's a visual correlation with the sounds and the actual sninergei— with the sounds and the actual submerged able,— with the sounds and the actual submerged able, i would be very seniions— submerged able, i would be very cautious about— submerged able, i would be very cautious about saying that it is orooi— cautious about saying that it is orooi inei— cautious about saying that it is orooi inei inev— cautious about saying that it is proof that they found or that the proof that they found or that ine srevv— proof that they found or that ine is— proof that they found or that the crew is still— proof that they found or that the crew is still alive. of course , the _ the crew is still alive. of course , the search must continue course, the search must continue eni— course, the search must continue eni nei— course, the search must continue and we've had false— course, the search must continue and we've had false positive in the and we've had false positive in ine oest— and we've had false positive in ine oesi. nosi— and we've had false positive in the past. most recently the seersn— the past. most recently the seersn ior— the past. most recently the search for the _ the past. most recently the search for the malaysian eirsreii— search for the malaysian aircraft that _ search for the malaysian aircraft that was lost over the iniien— aircraft that was lost over the indian ocean. _ aircraft that was lost over the indian ocean. “4115 " indian ocean. yes, i mean, that's right . it it's very, very that's right. it it's very, very tough to tell . but, brent, what tough to tell. but, brent, what we do know is the oxygen runs out tomorrow. so time is now incredibly short. and listening to some of the words of that press conferee s the suggestion was that if this sub you know, wasn't anchored, wasn't attached , wasn't stuck to anything, that ocean currents could have taken it a very long way away . no, it a very long way away. no, that's a very real e ivio": no, that's a very real possibility. ine— that's a very real possibility. ine iesi— that's a very real possibility. the fact that— that's a very real possibility. the fact that this was it's sonniing— the fact that this was it's sounding like— the fact that this was it's sounding like this was untethered. - sounding like this was untethered. it's very likely

inei— untethered. it's very likely on its— untethered. it's very likely that its ability— untethered. it's very likely that its ability to move at eioni— that its ability to move at about three _ that its ability to move at about three knots is not enough to iigni— about three knots is not enough to iigni egeinsi— about three knots is not enough to fight against the currents. ani— to fight against the currents. ani ii— to fight against the currents. ani ii ii— to fight against the currents. and if it lost— to fight against the currents. and if it lost propulsion, it sonie— and if it lost propulsion, it sonii neve— and if it lost propulsion, it could have been pushed a very signiiiseni— could have been pushed a very significant distance away from vnere— significant distance away from vnere ii— significant distance away from where it where _ significant distance away from where it where it— significant distance away from where it where it submerged . and where it where it submerged. and the where it where it submerged. and ine seersn — where it where it submerged. and the search. however, the search is oreiiv— the search. however, the search area is pretty significant and ineres— area is pretty significant and there's probably— area is pretty significant and there's probably more false ieiesiions— there's probably more false detections we're going to have in ine— detections we're going to have in ine nevi— detections we're going to have in the next few— detections we're going to have in the next few days. but until inev— in the next few days. but until inev gei— in the next few days. but until they get submersibles or unmanned underwater vehicles viii— unmanned underwater vehicles viin serneres— unmanned underwater vehicles with cameras and— unmanned underwater vehicles with cameras and with high resoiniion— with cameras and with high resolution sonar, it's going to be resolution sonar, it's going to ie verv— resolution sonar, it's going to be very difficult— resolution sonar, it's going to be very difficult to locate it. of be very difficult to locate it. oi sonrse— be very difficult to locate it. of course, the _ be very difficult to locate it. of course, the other possibility is its— of course, the other possibility is its sinsv— of course, the other possibility is it's stuck in— of course, the other possibility is it's stuck in the— of course, the other possibility is it's stuck in the wreckage iiseii— is it's stuck in the wreckage iiseii oi— is it's stuck in the wreckage itself of the _ is it's stuck in the wreckage itself of the titanic . and if it itself of the titanic. and if it io— itself of the titanic. and if it to ie— itself of the titanic. and if it was to be stuck— itself of the titanic. and if it was to be stuck in the wreck and i was to be stuck in the wreck and i know— was to be stuck in the wreck and i know inere— was to be stuck in the wreck and i know there was— was to be stuck in the wreck and i know there was a— was to be stuck in the wreck and i know there was a previous evoeiiiion— i know there was a previous expedition that— i know there was a previous expedition that did get eniengiei— expedition that did get entangled briefly with the old orooeiier— entangled briefly with the old orooeiier oi— entangled briefly with the old propeller of the— entangled briefly with the old propeller of the titanic , would propeller of the titanic, would inere— propeller of the titanic, would inere ie — propeller of the titanic, would inere ie env— propeller of the titanic, would there be any equipment that sonii— there be any equipment that could physically go and help to iree— could physically go and help to iree ii— could physically go and help to iree ii viii— could physically go and help to free it with the _ could physically go and help to free it with the time that's at neni— free it with the time that's at neni e— free it with the time that's at neni e is— free it with the time that's at neni e is e— free it with the time that's at hand ? it's a it— free it with the time that's at hand ? it's a it would be a very hand? it's a it would be a very ierge— hand? it's a it would be a very ierge seii— hand? it's a it would be a very ierge seii io— hand? it's a it would be a very large call to make— hand? it's a it would be a very large call to make and probably not large call to make and probably noi one— large call to make and probably not one probably— large call to make and probably not one probably one beyond the

seoeiie— not one probably one beyond the seoeiie oenies— not one probably one beyond the capable parties that are at hand . ani— capable parties that are at hand . ani ieiore— capable parties that are at hand . and before the— capable parties that are at hand . and before the crew runs out of . and before the crew runs out oi ovvgen— . and before the crew runs out oi ovvgen .— . and before the crew runs out oi ovvgen . inei— . and before the crew runs out of oxygen . that being said , if of oxygen. that being said, if inev— of oxygen. that being said, if inev sonii— of oxygen. that being said, if inev sonii gei— of oxygen. that being said, if they could get something down inere— they could get something down inere eni— they could get something down there and attach— they could get something down there and attach a cable, for evenoie— there and attach a cable, for exampler inev— there and attach a cable, for example, they could try and pull it example, they could try and pull ii iree— example, they could try and pull ii iree eni— example, they could try and pull ii iree eni gei— example, they could try and pull it free and get it— example, they could try and pull it free and get it to— example, they could try and pull it free and get it to the surface. there- it free and get it to the surface. there is risk in that, of course, but— surface. there is risk in that, of course, but with the time inei-s— of course, but with the time inei-s ten,— of course, but with the time that's left, there's an urgency at that's left, there's an urgency ei neni. — that's left, there's an urgency ei neni. ani— that's left, there's an urgency at hand. and i'd— that's left, there's an urgency at hand. and i'd also say that inongn— at hand. and i'd also say that even though 96— at hand. and i'd also say that even though 96 hours is the noninei— even though 96 hours is the nominal breathing or the endurance of— nominal breathing or the endurance of this vessel, if the inev— endurance of this vessel, if the crew once they were realised inev— crew once they were realised inev — crew once they were realised inev in— crew once they were realised inev in e— crew once they were realised they were in a problem , they they were in a problem, they took— they were in a problem, they took actions— they were in a problem, they took actions to _ they were in a problem, they took actions to minimise the use of took actions to minimise the use oi ine— took actions to minimise the use oi ine ovvgen— took actions to minimise the use oi ine ovvgen io— took actions to minimise the use of the oxygen to put people to sieeo— of the oxygen to put people to sieeo eni— of the oxygen to put people to sleep and take— of the oxygen to put people to sleep and take rest and not even.— sleep and take rest and not even. neve— sleep and take rest and not exert, make a— sleep and take rest and not exert, make a lot of exertions. they— exert, make a lot of exertions. inev nigni— exert, make a lot of exertions. inev nigni ere— exert, make a lot of exertions. they might eke out a dozen or so nonrs— they might eke out a dozen or so hours more, so there's still iine— hours more, so there's still iirne. ini— hours more, so there's still time, but it's— hours more, so there's still time, but it's not a commodity inei-s— time, but it's not a commodity that's enriched— time, but it's not a commodity that's enriched supply . \vviv that's enriched supply. no, eisoinieiv. — that's enriched supply. no, absolutely. brent- that's enriched supply. no, absolutely. brent thank you very much indeed for your thoughts on this this evening. i'll now go to you robert pezzini, former us navy officer, special operations . and, you know, in involved with deep sea diving and all the

rest of it. bob it seems to me that we have a vessel that's gone to do this and high paying customers , but if it's stuck, customers, but if it's stuck, there's almost no way of freeing them . well good evening, nigel, them. well good evening, nigel, and thank you for having me on. stuck is one potential issue . stuck is one potential issue. iesi— stuck is one potential issue. iesr oi— stuck is one potential issue. lack of communications is sieeriv— lack of communications is sieeriv en— lack of communications is clearly an issue. lack of oroonision— clearly an issue. lack of propulsion is— clearly an issue. lack of propulsion is probably an issue. iesi— propulsion is probably an issue. iesr oi— propulsion is probably an issue. lack of navigation— propulsion is probably an issue. lack of navigation is probably an lack of navigation is probably en so— lack of navigation is probably an issue. so you— lack of navigation is probably an issue. so you know, there's all an issue. so you know, there's eii inese— an issue. so you know, there's all these and— an issue. so you know, there's all these and then— an issue. so you know, there's all these and then life support, you— all these and then life support, von know.— all these and then life support, von rnov. iiie— all these and then life support, you know, life support may or may— you know, life support may or nev noi— you know, life support may or nev noi siiii— you know, life support may or may not still be— you know, life support may or may not still be operational . so may not still be operational. so vnen— may not still be operational. so vnen von— may not still be operational. so vnen von took— may not still be operational. so when you look at— may not still be operational. so when you look at all these iesiors— when you look at all these factors together, i would say ine— factors together, i would say ine oniioor— factors together, i would say the outlook is— factors together, i would say the outlook is dire at this ooini.— the outlook is dire at this ooini. inere— the outlook is dire at this point. there is- the outlook is dire at this point. there is a possibility it sonii— point. there is a possibility it sonii ie— point. there is a possibility it sonii ie on— point. there is a possibility it could be on or— point. there is a possibility it could be on or around the site of could be on or around the site oi ine— could be on or around the site of the debris— could be on or around the site of the debris field— could be on or around the site of the debris field of the iiienis— of the debris field of the titanic. but— of the debris field of the titanic. but but when you use esiive— titanic. but but when you use sonar active and— titanic. but but when you use sonar active and passive sonar, ineres— sonar active and passive sonar, inere-s en— sonar active and passive sonar, there's an active— sonar active and passive sonar, there's an active sonar in oenisnier.— there's an active sonar in particular, there's a lot of

ieiris— particular, there's a lot of debris that— particular, there's a lot of debris that could be confused for debris that could be confused ior ine— debris that could be confused for the vessel— debris that could be confused for the vessel if— debris that could be confused for the vessel if it is indeed on ine— for the vessel if it is indeed on the wreck— for the vessel if it is indeed on the wreck site. “43?“ e on the wreck site. yeah, it noes.— on the wreck site. yeah, it ones. i— on the wreck site. yeah, it does. i have to say, all look pretty grim. it would be a real miracle if there was a happy ending to this. miracle if there was a happy ending to this . from ending to this. from a professional viewpoint . but our professional viewpoint. but our trips like this wise , or are trips like this wise, or are they really quite foolhardy ? they really quite foolhardy? well i would say that, you know, the world needs adventure seeker needs, risk takers . yeah, that's needs, risk takers. yeah, that's how needs, risk takers. yeah, that's nov ve— needs, risk takers. yeah, that's how we advance _ : . yeah, that's how we advance technologically and economically— how we advance technologically and economically ,_ how we advance technologically and economically , educationally, and economically, educationally, eis— and economically, educationally, eis. ire— and economically, educationally, eis. ire so— and economically, educationally, eis. ire so .— and economically, educationally, eis. ire so . von— and economically, educationally, etc. ira so , you know, i think etc. ira so, you know, i think inei— etc. ira so, you know, i think on evervioiv— etc. ira so, you know, i think that everybody on this on this vovege— that everybody on this on this vovege .— that everybody on this on this vovege . ii— that everybody on this on this vovege . ii von— that everybody on this on this voyage , if you will, they were voyage, if you will, they were iniiv— voyage, if you will, they were iniiv — voyage, if you will, they were fully aware of— voyage, if you will, they were fully aware of the risks and, eni— fully aware of the risks and, eni i— fully aware of the risks and, eni i ion-i— fully aware of the risks and, and i don't want— fully aware of the risks and, and i don't want to judge the, one.— and i don't want to judge the, ine. von— and i don't want to judge the, tie, von know.— and i don't want to judge the, the, you know, the validity of tin— the, you know, the validity of this particular— the, you know, the validity of this particular mission. i don't know— this particular mission. i don't know ine— this particular mission. i don't know the equipment in oenisnier. — know the equipment in particular. what i do know from the particular. what i do know from ine oress— particular. what i do know from the press reports— particular. what i do know from the press reports is that some verv— the press reports is that some verv oresiigions— the press reports is that some

very prestigious, highly einseiei— very prestigious, highly educated and highly experienced oeooie— educated and highly experienced peopler noi— educated and highly experienced peopler noi insi— educated and highly experienced people, not just tourists, but oeooie— people, not just tourists, but oeooie vno— people, not just tourists, but people who have been to the iiienis— people who have been to the iiienis nenv— people who have been to the titanic many times, who are researchers and— titanic many times, who are researchers and scientists were on inis— researchers and scientists were on on vessei— researchers and scientists were on this vessel as— researchers and scientists were on this vessel as well. so, you know.— on this vessel as well. so, you know. its— on this vessel as well. so, you know, it's hard— on this vessel as well. so, you know, it's hard for— on this vessel as well. so, you know, it's hard for me to judge thei— know, it's hard for me to judge ine. von— know, it's hard for me to judge ine, von know.— know, it's hard for me to judge the, you know, the— the, you know, the reasonableness of this of this evoeiiiion— reasonableness of this of this evoeiiiion. — reasonableness of this of this expedition . no,— reasonableness of this of this expedition . \vviv e i expedition. no, but actually, bob, i'm with you 100. i think that, you know, all through the centuries , we have explorers , we centuries, we have explorers, we have risk takers. and it's through that . we learn. it's through that. we learn. it's through that. we learn. it's through that. we learn. it's through that we advance . and i'm through that we advance. and i'm absolutely with you , whatever absolutely with you, whatever the outcome of this. and it's probably going to be a very sad one. what we don't want a government stopping people going out, and being out, exploring and being adventurous. pezzini, thank adventurous. bob pezzini, thank you joining tonight on gb you for joining us tonight on gb news. well, we'll find out more . it was interesting, wasn't it, brent sadler said even with minimising any form of physical activity , they can only eke out activity, they can only eke out activity, they can only eke out a further 12 hours. so i guess by this time tomorrow we'll know the conclusion all very sad. we

did a bit of an exclusive last night on a hate cleric that had come here from bangladesh. we were worried about the things that mr had said in the that mr abbasi had said in the past about those who questioned the prophet being fit to be beheaded and other things. well, he did give a speech in the uk last night . he did give a speech in the uk last night. i've got some up to date news that his event in london tomorrow night has been cancelled. we'll discuss real hate speech in just a moment

on sundays on gb news with me, michael portillo gb news the people's channel britain . now people's channel britain. now let me be clear when i " " now let me be clear when i talk eioni— let me be clear when i talk eioni e— let me be clear when i talk about a hate— let me be clear when i talk about a hate preacher , we are gb about a hate preacher, we are gb nevs— about a hate preacher, we are gb news ve— about a hate preacher, we are gb news we are the— about a hate preacher, we are gb news we are the people's siennei— news we are the people's channel. we— news we are the people's channel. we believe in free soeesn. — channel. we believe in free soeesn. vve— channel. we believe in free speech. we believe in the right for speech. we believe in the right ior oeooie— speech. we believe in the right ior oeooie io— speech. we believe in the right for people to be— speech. we believe in the right for people to be heard. we ieiieve— for people to be heard. we ieiieve in— for people to be heard. we believe in free— for people to be heard. we believe in free and open debate. ani— believe in free and open debate. ani i— believe in free and open debate. ani i nonesiiv— believe in free and open debate. and i honestly believe across ine— and i honestly believe across ine onioni— and i honestly believe across ine onioni oi— and i honestly believe across the output of this channel that is vnei— the output of this channel that is vnei von— the output of this channel that is what you see— the output of this channel that is what you see every single day . vve— is what you see every single day . vie ioeine— is what you see every single day . we loathe cancel— is what you see every single day . we loathe cancel culture , but

. we loathe cancel culture, but iree— . we loathe cancel culture, but iree soeesn— . we loathe cancel culture, but free speech has— . we loathe cancel culture, but free speech has its— . we loathe cancel culture, but free speech has its limits and inose— free speech has its limits and those limits— free speech has its limits and those limits are— free speech has its limits and those limits are the inciting of vioensei — those limits are the inciting of violence. above _ those limits are the inciting of violence. above all. and that was where we _ violence. above all. and that was where we were really , really was where we were really, really eiernei— was where we were really, really eiernei inei— was where we were really, really alarmed that this— was where we were really, really alarmed that this dr. inaya unen— alarmed that this dr. inaya ullah abbasi _ alarmed that this dr. inaya ullah abbasi was coming to this sonnirv— ullah abbasi was coming to this sonnirv eni— ullah abbasi was coming to this country and doing— ullah abbasi was coming to this country and doing a speaking ioni— country and doing a speaking on. ani— country and doing a speaking on. ani ve— country and doing a speaking tour. and we talked about this iesi— tour. and we talked about this iesi nigni— tour. and we talked about this last night because we were iiooei— last night because we were iiooei oii— last night because we were iiooei oii iv— last night because we were tipped off by a_ last night because we were tipped off by a gb news viewer. vie-ve— tipped off by a gb news viewer. vie-ve ieen— tipped off by a gb news viewer. vie-ve ieen in— tipped off by a gb news viewer. we've been in touch with the none— we've been in touch with the home oiiise — we've been in touch with the home office who— we've been in touch with the home office who just batus away viii— home office who just batus away viin e— home office who just batus away viin e iieni— home office who just batus away with a bland response . now, with a bland response. now, remember, you— with a bland response. now, remember, you know, we've banned oeooie— remember, you know, we've banned oeooie tire— remember, you know, we've banned oeooie iire seen— remember, you know, we've banned people like geert wilders, the dan.— people like geert wilders, the dutch politician,— people like geert wilders, the dutch politician, from coming inio— dutch politician, from coming inio inis— dutch politician, from coming into this country— dutch politician, from coming into this country. dutch politician, from coming into this country . we've banned into this country. we've banned a into this country. we've banned e sonoie— into this country. we've banned e sonoie oi— into this country. we've banned a couple of canadian conservatives from coming into inis— conservatives from coming into on sonnirv— conservatives from coming into this country. well— conservatives from coming into this country. well if you're going— this country. well if you're going io— this country. well if you're going to ien— this country. well if you're going to ban people because you ieer— going to ban people because you ieer ineir— going to ban people because you fear their speech— going to ban people because you fear their speech may be insiieini— fear their speech may be inciteful, we _ fear their speech may be inciteful, we certainly should neve— inciteful, we certainly should neve nei— inciteful, we certainly should have had alarm— inciteful, we certainly should have had alarm bells ringing eioni— have had alarm bells ringing eioni inis— have had alarm bells ringing about this man.— have had alarm bells ringing about this man. now, he did give about this man. now, he did give e soeesn— about this man. now, he did give e soeesn in— about this man. now, he did give e soeesn in ine— about this man. now, he did give a speech in the midlands last nigni— a speech in the midlands last nigni eni— a speech in the midlands last night and from— a speech in the midlands last night and from what we've heard, noining— night and from what we've heard, nothing especially— night and from what we've heard, nothing especially controversial was nothing especially controversial seii— nothing especially controversial seii. ini— nothing especially controversial was said. but he— nothing especially controversial was said. but he was due to soeev— was said. but he was due to speak tomorrow— was said. but he was due to speak tomorrow in london in the

eesi— speak tomorrow in london in the eesi eni— speak tomorrow in london in the eesi eni oi— speak tomorrow in london in the east end of london.— speak tomorrow in london in the east end of london. and that eveni— east end of london. and that eveni nes— east end of london. and that event has now— east end of london. and that event has now been cancelled and you event has now been cancelled and von sen— event has now been cancelled and von ine— event has now been cancelled and you can see the advertisement for you can see the advertisement ior ine— you can see the advertisement ior ine eveni— you can see the advertisement for the event on— you can see the advertisement for the event on your screens. rnei— for the event on your screens. inei eveni— for the event on your screens. that event has— for the event on your screens. that event has been cancelled. i reoeei— that event has been cancelled. i reoeei ine— that event has been cancelled. i reoeei ine ooini— that event has been cancelled. i repeat the point ,_ that event has been cancelled. i repeat the point , there is not repeat the point, there is not an ounce of hypocrisy in this. vve— an ounce of hypocrisy in this. we veni— an ounce of hypocrisy in this. we want people— an ounce of hypocrisy in this. we want people to be free to soeei— we want people to be free to soeev ineir— we want people to be free to speak their mind. we want open ieieie— speak their mind. we want open ieieie. wnei— speak their mind. we want open debate. what we— speak their mind. we want open debate. what we don't want is vioieni— debate. what we don't want is violent incitement. well, ioining— violent incitement. well, ioining ne— violent incitement. well, ioining me is— violent incitement. well, joining me is charlotte littlewood, _ joining me is charlotte littlewood, research fellow at the littlewood, research fellow at ine nenrv— littlewood, research fellow at the henry jackson society . the henry jackson society. nonv— the henry jackson society. iioiiv. i— the henry jackson society. motty, i wonder, charlotte , how motty, i wonder, charlotte, how nenv— motty, i wonder, charlotte, how nenv oeooie— motty, i wonder, charlotte, how nenv oeooie vire— motty, i wonder, charlotte, how many people like dr. abbasi come into many people like dr. abbasi come inio onr— many people like dr. abbasi come inio sonnirv— many people like dr. abbasi come into our country ,_ many people like dr. abbasi come into our country , say completely into our country, say completely oniregeons— into our country, say completely outrageous things— into our country, say completely outrageous things and we oroieiiv— outrageous things and we probably never get to hear about it probably never get to hear about ii i — probably never get to hear about ii i i— probably never get to hear about ii i i insen— probably never get to hear about it ? i mean, nigel,— probably never get to hear about it ? i mean, nigel, that- probably never get to hear about it ? \v v:vi; it? i mean, nigel, that is absolutely the right question to be asking actually here, because what abbasi is a part of is something called the khatme nabuwwat. so he's president of khatme bangladesh . and khatme nabuwwat bangladesh. and this sort of an affiliation this is sort of an affiliation of organisations all of organisations that all believe extreme believe in an extreme anti—blasphemy stance. what i mean by that is they call for

the death of blasphemous people who insult islam or the prophet muhammad . now khatme nabuwwat muhammad. now khatme nabuwwat conferences are happening year on in this country and on year in this country and people flying from pakistan people are flying from pakistan to preach here in the uk. and i know of at least nine that have made frequent travel to the uk. there have been frequent questions posed to the home office about this . why are they office about this. why are they still coming ? do you have henry still coming? do you have henry iesrson-s— still coming? do you have henry jackson's society?— still coming? do you have henry jackson's society? do— ; vi.vi»i “q7 do you have henry jackson's society? do you have nenv— jackson's society? do you have nenv nniers— jackson's society? do you have many members of— jackson's society? do you have many members of parliament that are many members of parliament that oreoerei— many members of parliament that oreoerei io— many members of parliament that are prepared to stand up and ask gnesiions— are prepared to stand up and ask gnesiions oi— are prepared to stand up and ask questions of the— are prepared to stand up and ask questions of the of— are prepared to stand up and ask questions of the of the home sesreierv— questions of the of the home sesreierv — questions of the of the home sesreierv i— questions of the of the home secretary i mean,- questions of the of the home secretary " i117”; secretary i mean, the henry jackson society is a think tank with but i can tell with researchers, but i can tell you through my phd thesis that the mp that's worked tirelessly on this is siobhan mcdonagh, because this links heavily to the persecution of ahmadiyya muslims. yes, they are believed to be blasphemous heretics, and one of them was brutally murdered in this country in glasgow in 2004. this was the shopkeepen glasgow in 2004. this was the shopkeeper, wasn't it? yeah . shopkeeper, wasn't it? yeah. this was so badly. every bone in his face was broken. yeah, i remember. it— his face was broken. yeah, i remember. it was- his face was broken. yeah, i remember. it was an-

" i " yeah, i remember. it was an absolutely norrenions— remember. it was an absolutely horrendous case.— remember. it was an absolutely horrendous case. yeah. ' v: horrendous case. yeah. and rneins— horrendous case. yeah. and khatme nabuwwat praised his death. i khatme nabuwwat praised his death . i asked the question death. i asked the question eioni— death. i asked the question about members— death. i asked the question about members of- : i asked the question about members of parliament iesense— about members of parliament iesense ii— about members of parliament because it seems— about members of parliament because it seems to me this is neooening— because it seems to me this is neooening eni— because it seems to me this is happening and we're doing our iesi— happening and we're doing our iesi nee.— happening and we're doing our iesi nere. in— happening and we're doing our best here. i'm doing my best viii— best here. i'm doing my best win on— best here. i'm doing my best with gb news— best here. i'm doing my best with gb news to— best here. i'm doing my best with gb news to try and raise inis— with gb news to try and raise inis issne— with gb news to try and raise this issue. and— with gb news to try and raise this issue. and you do what you can as a think— this issue. and you do what you can as a think tank. we don't io— can as a think tank. we don't io neve— can as a think tank. we don't seem to have much support out inere— seem to have much support out inere in— seem to have much support out inere in ine— seem to have much support out there in the media— seem to have much support out there in the media or in parliament. _ there in the media or in parliament. it's as if everyone's happy for this just to ie— everyone's happy for this just to ie inriei— everyone's happy for this just to be buried under the carpet. ani— to be buried under the carpet. ani vnen— to be buried under the carpet. ani vnen ve— to be buried under the carpet. and when we asked yesterday and ioiev— and when we asked yesterday and ioievline— and when we asked yesterday and ioievline none— and when we asked yesterday and today the home office today for the home office soesiiis— today for the home office specific questions about this man.— specific questions about this inev— specific questions about this man, they won't— specific questions about this man, they won't give us an answer. what— man, they won't give us an answer. what do we need to do? so answer. what do we need to do? so i— answer. what do we need to do? so i ininr— answer. what do we need to do? so i ininr ii-s— answer. what do we need to do? so i think it's really— answer. what do we need to do? so i think it's really important eni— so i think it's really important eni inis— so i think it's really important eni inis nes— so i think it's really important and this has been— so i think it's really important and this has been called for in the and this has been called for in ine oesi. — and this has been called for in ine oesi. so— and this has been called for in ine oesi. so i— and this has been called for in the past. so i really- and this has been called for in the past. ”vitally v:ii» e the past. so i really don't understand why this is not in place. but there needs to be an urdu specialist unit within the home that assess is the home office that assess is the likes people coming likes of these people coming over speak. and there are red over to speak. and there are red flags. stop. over to speak. and there are red flags . stop. what do you mean? flags. stop. what do you mean? inere— flags. stop. what do you mean? inere neeis— flags. stop. what do you mean? there needs to— flags. stop. what do you mean? there needs to be?— 3 stop. what do you mean? there needs to be? are you seving— there needs to be? are you seving inere— there needs to be? are you saying there one? there needs to be? are you- saying there -one? that has saying there isn't one? that has ieen— saying there isn't one? that has ieen e— saying there isn't one? that has been a question that's been raised a number of times. there hasn't been straight on

hasn't been a straight answer on whether there are urdu specialist on this. specialist s working on this. and to be and clearly there needs to be and a straight and we haven't got a straight answer the home office as answer from the home office as to are any that to whether there are any that would clear answer to stop would be a clear answer to stop the likes this man coming the likes of this man coming to the likes of this man coming to the uk. also there are clear flags. khatme nabuwwat is one of them and we have nato about registered charities in the uk and flyers calling and conferences flyers calling for the death of ahmadiyyas with khatme nabuwwat on it here in the uk. so khatme nabuwwat get used to that word. i understand these are difficult words, but come on, you're supposed to be some of the most intelligent people in country running people in the country running the not. well, the country. clearly not. well, i'm alarmed by this, i'm deeply alarmed by this, charlotte. deeply alarmed. i not just charlotte. deeply alarmed. i not insi eioni— charlotte. deeply alarmed. i not just about this— charlotte. deeply alarmed. i not just about this man,— deeply alarmed. i not just about this man, but as you say,— just about this man, but as you sev, von— just about this man, but as you sev, von neve— just about this man, but as you sev, von neve ei— just about this man, but as you say, you have at least nine oi— say, you have at least nine cases of this— say, you have at least nine cases of this that have gone on. ani— cases of this that have gone on. ani inenr— cases of this that have gone on. ani inenv von— cases of this that have gone on. and thank you for— cases of this that have gone on. and thank you for joining me on the and thank you for joining me on ine orogrenne— and thank you for joining me on the programme. and we're going to keep— the programme. and we're going to keep ine— the programme. and we're going to keep the pressure on the home oiiise.— to keep the pressure on the home oiiise. vie-re— to keep the pressure on the home office. we're not— to keep the pressure on the home office. we're not just going to esseoi—oii. - office. we're not just going to. esseoi—oiilere accept being fobbed off. we are going— accept being fobbed off. we are goinglkeep_ accept being fobbed off. we are goinglkeep ine— accept being fobbed off. we are going keep the pressure on going to keep the pressure on eni— going to keep the pressure on eni going— going to keep the pressure on and we're going to ask some mps to and we're going to ask some mps io-ieing— and we're going to ask some mps io-ieing e— and we're going to ask some mps io-ieing e iii— and we're going to ask some mps to-being a bit more- and we're going to ask some mps to being a bit more robust to start being a bit more robust in esring— to start being a bit more robust in asking questions today in

inne— in asking questions today in prime questions as prime minister's questions as nere— prime minister's questions as nere es— prime minister's questions as here was a boast— prime minister's questions as here was a boast from the prime iiinisier— here was a boast from the prime minister rishi _ here was a boast from the prime minister rishi sunak. he comes nere— minister rishi sunak. he comes nere everv— minister rishi sunak. he comes here every week— minister rishi sunak. he comes here every week to make the same petty— here every week to make the same oeiiv ooinis— here every week to make the same oeiiv ooinis ve— here every week to make the same petty points we are _ here every week to make the same petty points we are getting on eni— petty points we are getting on and delivering— petty points we are getting on and delivering for this country . ves.— and delivering for this country . ves. vir— and delivering for this country . yes, mr speaker,- and delivering for this country “via; ii i i "ivi; " and delivering for this country 4:5 . yes, mr speaker, inflation is a challenge. that's why we are on track to keep reducing it. we are reducing waiting lists. we are reducing waiting lists. we are stopping the boats. all while he is focussed on the past, focussed on the politics andifs past, focussed on the politics and it's all talk. whereas from inis— and it's all talk. whereas from this government— and it's all talk. whereas from this government and- a“: e whereas from this government and from vii“: e whereas from this government and from this inne— this government and from this prime minister— this government and from this prime minister we deliver for the prime minister we deliver for ine sonnirv— prime minister we deliver for ine sonnirv. — prime minister we deliver for the country . the- prime minister we deliver for the country . 37” ii “ the country. the prime minister says we're stopping the boats. are you having a laugh up until sunday for the previous ten days, 3000 people had crossed the english channel. i mean, how on earth can we believe a single word this prime minister says? this stuff makes me really angry. just in case you hadn't noficed angry. just in case you hadn't noticed something else that makes me angry is the ulez expansion seems to me that it's the poor that are going to get hit. it's people working night

shifts that are going to get hit and yet khan seems to want to press ahead. in a moment, we'll ask how is the campaign against ulez extension going? can it win or is it doomed to failure

i must declare a personal interest. i live on top of the nonh interest. i live on top of the north downs. it is a beautiful rural location. i can go out for a walk and not see anybody for an hour. the air quality is brilliant. it's magnificent, but we're right on the edge of kent county council and greater london and the ulez cameras are coming by the end of august and i am really opposed to them . but i am really opposed to them. but of course it doesn't matter to me because i've got a well—paid job and i've got a fairly modern car. i'm not going to have to pay car. i'm not going to have to pay the charges, but i'm genuinely worried about about people i know that live in my area that have got older cars.

they're pensioners on fixed incomes. they can't afford new ones. it's going to cost people £12.50 just to go and get a newspaper for or to go to the shops. so i am clearly against ulez , but my concern is can any shops. so i am clearly against ulez , ulez, but my concern is can any campaign actually stop sadiq khan? well, one man who's having a bit of a go is nick arlott, who's the organiser for action against ulez group . nick, you've against ulez group. nick, you've got a protest coming up this weekend. we do in marble arch. just one observation from me . just one observation from me. there have been so many protests and they've been taking place from groups all around the edges of greater london. can't you all get together and have a really big protest ? yes, we are big protest? yes, we are esineiiv— big protest? yes, we are actually. we— big protest? yes, we are actually. we are- g 7 yes, we are actually. we are all together. ieen. — actually. we are all together. ieen. an— actually. we are all together. yeah. all right.— actually. we are all together. yeah. all right. we get the sneii— yeah. all right. we get the small ones. _ yeah. all right. we get the small ones. do— yeah. all right. we get the small ones. do they're basically for awareness— small ones. do they're basically for awareness days— small ones. do they're basically for awareness days . the bigger for awareness days. the bigger inei— for awareness days. the bigger ones that we've— for awareness days. the bigger ones that we've had is you acknowledge— ones that we've had is you acknowledge are a bit in ireieiger— acknowledge are a bit in trafalgar square . i mean, the trafalgar square. i mean, the rnein— trafalgar square. i mean, the oroiien— trafalgar square. i mean, the main problem is— trafalgar square. i mean, the main problem is we can get the oeooie— main problem is we can get the oeooie iogeiien— main problem is we can get the

people together, but what people ion-i— people together, but what people ion-i know.— people together, but what people don't know, we're— people together, but what people don't know, we're doing it iesense— don't know, we're doing it because every— don't know, we're doing it because every time we appear, sev— because every time we appear, sev in— because every time we appear, say in trafalgar— because every time we appear, say in trafalgar square, khan inrns— say in trafalgar square, khan inrns ine— say in trafalgar square, khan turns the cameras off. he said ne-s— turns the cameras off. he said ne-s ione— turns the cameras off. he said ne-s ione ii— turns the cameras off. he said he's done it every— turns the cameras off. he said he's done it every time. you know.— he's done it every time. you know. we— he's done it every time. you know, we even marched down wniieneii— know, we even marched down whitehall and _ know, we even marched down whitehall and we had an anti—racism— whitehall and we had an anti—racism march walk the other way— anti—racism march walk the other vev eni— anti—racism march walk the other vev eni ve— anti—racism march walk the other way and we thought, oh, good, we can way and we thought, oh, good, we son— way and we thought, oh, good, we son oi— way and we thought, oh, good, we son oi inno— way and we thought, oh, good, we can sort of jump in— way and we thought, oh, good, we can sort of jump in along beside seiig— can sort of jump in along beside seiig n...— can sort of jump in along beside sadiq, khan says,— can sort of jump in along beside sadiq, khan says, you're all far igni— sadiq, khan says, you're all far rigni. on— sadiq, khan says, you're all far rigni. on. veen— sadiq, khan says, you're all far right. oh, yeah, of— sadiq, khan says, you're all far right. oh, yeah, of course we ieen— right. oh, yeah, of course we ieen i— right. oh, yeah, of course we are. yeah i do— right. oh, yeah, of course we are. yeah i do have german iesseni— are. yeah i do have german iesseni. so— are. yeah i do have german descent, so maybe, maybe, maybe i descent, so maybe, maybe, maybe i rneen— descent, so maybe, maybe, maybe i ne— descent, so maybe, maybe, maybe i mean, he actually— descent, so maybe, maybe, maybe i mean, he actually aim that iesense— i mean, he actually aim that iesense i— i mean, he actually aim that because i was— i mean, he actually aim that because i was there at ealing vnen— because i was there at ealing vnen ne— because i was there at ealing when he decided— because i was there at ealing when he decided to do that, i esineiiv— when he decided to do that, i was actually outside making a lot was actually outside making a ioi oi— was actually outside making a ioi oi oise— was actually outside making a lot of noise when— was actually outside making a lot of noise when he came up viii— lot of noise when he came up viin inei— lot of noise when he came up with that stupid— lot of noise when he came up with that stupid remark that iesviirei— with that stupid remark that backfired on— with that stupid remark that backfired on him, which was greet— backfired on him, which was greei. von— backfired on him, which was great, you know? but he's an iiioi.— great, you know? but he's an iiioi. wnei-s— great, you know? but he's an idiot. what's your— great, you know? but he's an idiot. what's your main oiiesiion— idiot. what's your main objection to— idiot. what's your main objection to the ulez extension 7 objection to the ulez extension e unnecesserv— objection to the ulez extension ? unnecessary dodi - objection to the ulez extension 7 “i jvi»»: cii»v: ? unnecessary dodi god, i the absolutely unjustified . the only absolutely unjustified. the only thing he absolutely unjustified. the only ining ne reeos— absolutely unjustified. the only thing he keeps on— absolutely unjustified. the only thing he keeps on about- l. i: the only thing he keeps on about is this inis— thing he keeps on about is this on eir— thing he keeps on about is this this air quality.— thing he keeps on about is this this air quality. he goes on eioni. — this air quality. he goes on eioni. ne— this air quality. he goes on about. he says- this air quality. he goes on about. he says it- this air quality. he goes on about. vi i i: this air quality. he goes on about. vi i ii this air quality. he goes on- about. he says it will save 4000 lives a year. okay. the 4000. now:— lives a year. okay. the 4000. nov. vnere— lives a year. okay. the 4000. now, where does— lives a year. okay. the 4000. now, where does he- l okay. the 4000. now, where does he get that

irone— now, where does he get that irone ieen— now, where does he get that irone ieen i— now, where does he get that from? yeah i know where he got it from? yeah i know where he got ii iron — from? yeah i know where he got ii iron in— from? yeah i know where he got ii iron in ine— from? yeah i know where he got it from in the first— from? yeah i know where he got it from in the first place, but its— it from in the first place, but its veers— it from in the first place, but its veers eni— it from in the first place, but it's years and years ago. i mean, many, many years ago, there_ mean, many, many years ago, inere es— mean, many, many years ago, inere e— mean, many, many years ago, there was a professor called aninonv— there was a professor called aninonv fryi— there was a professor called anthony fry, and he was a resoireiorv— anthony fry, and he was a respiratory expert . respiratory expert. unfortunately, he died. but he evoieinei— unfortunately, he died. but he explained the— unfortunately, he died. but he explained the 4000 had to come no— explained the 4000 had to come no viii— explained the 4000 had to come no viin ii.— explained the 4000 had to come come up with it. you know, it's a come up with it. you know, it's e nvin— come up with it. you know, it's e nvin .— come up with it. you know, it's e nvin . von— come up with it. you know, it's a myth . you know,— come up with it. you know, it's a myth . you know, the question a myth. you know, the question inei-s— a myth. you know, the question inei-s noi— a myth. you know, the question that's not been— a myth. you know, the question that's not been asked by any ionrneiisi— that's not been asked by any journalist and— that's not been asked by any journalist and i— that's not been asked by any journalist and i don't quite get inis— journalist and i don't quite get on vei— journalist and i don't quite get on vei. is— journalist and i don't quite get this yet, is they— journalist and i don't quite get this yet, is they say they're oreneinre — this yet, is they say they're premature deaths . well, by how premature deaths. well, by how nnsn— premature deaths. well, by how nnsn e— premature deaths. well, by how nnsn i now— premature deaths. well, by how much ? how do— premature deaths. well, by how much ? how do you measure it? much? how do you measure it? nov— much? how do you measure it? new is— much? how do you measure it? new is von— much? how do you measure it? how do you know? no.- much? how do you measure it? v:ii» 7 no. what is the how do you know? no. what is the iine— how do you know? no. what is the iirne inei— how do you know? no. what is the time that they're— how do you know? no. what is the time that they're saying— v:ii» 7 no. what is the time that they're saying that it's time that they're saying that its ieen— time that they're saying that it's been taken— time that they're saying that it's been taken off of people's iivese— it's been taken off of people's iivese is— it's been taken off of people's iivese is ii— it's been taken off of people's lives? is it is— it's been taken off of people's lives? is it is it— it's been taken off of people's lives? is it is it is— it's been taken off of people's lives? is it is it is it a ninniee— lives? is it is it is it a minute? certainly lives? is it is it is it a- minute? certainly what i live, the en— minute? certainly what i live, the air quality is great. well, i'm not far from you,- the air quality is great. well, i'm not far from you, so- i v: we givia well, i'm not far from you, so you know— i'm not far from you, so you know inei. — i'm not far from you, so you know that. and— i'm not far from you, so you know that. and i- i'm not far from you, so you know that. ' “v: know that. and i know that now. the big one, of course, is and we've had colin smith, the leader of bromley council, to leader of bromley council, in to discuss this five of the outer boroughs fighting legal boroughs are fighting a legal action. to court on july action. it goes to court on july the 4th. you're out doing your protest trying to make some

protest and trying to make some noise. but can khan be stopped ? noise. but can khan be stopped? if there's any justice if this judge— if there's any justice if this inige esineiiv— if there's any justice if this judge actually looks at the case properly?_ judge actually looks at the case properly? ieen.— judge actually looks at the case properly? yeah, it— judge actually looks at the case properly? yeah, it should be sioooei— properly? yeah, it should be sioooei on— properly? yeah, it should be stopped on that. but even then, if stopped on that. but even then, ii ii— stopped on that. but even then, ii ii sioooei.— stopped on that. but even then, ii ii stoppedr i— stopped on that. but even then, if it stopped, i think it's only going— if it stopped, i think it's only going io— if it stopped, i think it's only going to ieiev— if it stopped, i think it's only going to delay it. but i think ine— going to delay it. but i think ine ooini— going to delay it. but i think ine ooini is— going to delay it. but i think the point is with— going to delay it. but i think the point is with ulez, it's a son— the point is with ulez, it's a son oi— the point is with ulez, it's a sort of minor— the point is with ulez, it's a sort of minor thing to a certain extent— sort of minor thing to a certain extent because— sort of minor thing to a certain extent because it— sort of minor thing to a certain extent because it just goes to paper— extent because it just goes to oeoer nie— extent because it just goes to oeoer rniie. ii— extent because it just goes to paper mile. if he— extent because it just goes to paper mile. if he gets stopped on ines— paper mile. if he gets stopped on inei. ii— paper mile. if he gets stopped on that, it would— paper mile. if he gets stopped on that, it would go to pay per nie— on that, it would go to pay per rniie viii— on that, it would go to pay per mile will affect— on that, it would go to pay per mile will affect everyone. and ne-s— mile will affect everyone. and ne-s eireeiv— mile will affect everyone. and he's already talking about evervining. — he's already talking about everything. everyone the issue iers— everything. everyone the issue iers reeiiv— everything. everyone the issue here really is if people vote for local councils and khan can completely overrule them . of completely overrule them. of course there are questions about local dumas . no, i get that. local dumas. no, i get that. i mean, i don't know whether this court case can succeed or not. it's on a very narrow point of law. it's on the interpretation of the act of parliament of what the act of parliament says course says and whether, of course transport for london can just put them in. yeah, okay. i mean, i follow these so—called- i follow these so—called consultation _ i follow these so—called consultation and you know, the

oneriiens— consultation and you know, the guardians principles, they're snooosei— guardians principles, they're snooosei io— guardians principles, they're supposed to be— guardians principles, they're supposed to be set to and he sonoieieiv— supposed to be set to and he completely flouted them. he had no regeri— completely flouted them. he had no regeri ior— completely flouted them. he had no regard for them— completely flouted them. he had no regard for them whatsoever. he no regard for them whatsoever. ne ne— no regard for them whatsoever. he he interfered— no regard for them whatsoever. he he interfered with it during the he he interfered with it during ine ooses— he he interfered with it during the process. he— he he interfered with it during the process. he was caught inieriering— the process. he was caught interfering with— the process. he was caught interfering with it by the gla rigni— interfering with it by the gla rigni .— interfering with it by the gla rigni . i— interfering with it by the gla rigni . i sei— interfering with it by the gla right . i sat in— interfering with it by the gla right . i sat in in— interfering with it by the gla right . i sat in in the interfering with it by the gla right. i sat in in the gla ieiore— right. i sat in in the gla before they— right. i sat in in the gla before they threw me out because you before they threw me out because von gei— before they threw me out because von gei inrovn— before they threw me out because you get thrown out— before they threw me out because you get thrown out quite a lot of you get thrown out quite a lot oi oieses. — you get thrown out quite a lot of places. nick— you get thrown out quite a lot of places. nick i— you get thrown out quite a lot of places. nick i do,- you get thrown out quite a lot of places. \v viii :ii» i of places. nick i do, actually. yeah.i of places. nick i do, actually. yeah. i gather that. yeah, but he has he admitted to to, peter fortune, who questioned him about the purchasing of the cameras and he said that he bought them before the process, even started. yeah, that alone ieiis— even started. yeah, that alone ieiis von— even started. yeah, that alone ieiis von gniie— even started. yeah, that alone tells you quite is— tells you quite is pre—determination. yeah. tells you quite is— pre—determination. yeah. talking of pre—determination. yeah. talking oiine— pre—determination. yeah. talking of the cameras,— pre—determination. yeah. talking of the cameras, these cameras ere-insieiiei— of the cameras, these cameras are-installed and- of the cameras, these cameras are installed and i'm are being installed and i'm going— are being installed and i'm going-vou- are being installed and i'm going-von sonel are being installed and i'm going you some video going to show you some video iooiege— going to show you some video iooiege-iei- going to show you some video footage - bet i've - going to show you some video footage - bet i've seen i going to show you some videoi footage-bet i've seen it footage now. i bet i've seen it was posted on the internet a few days ago and are a couple days ago and there are a couple of of the cameras that of dozen of the cameras that have been removed and disconnected by an individual. he goes on in the latter part of the video to tell people how to do it. and we're not going to show that. but nick, this is

whether you like it or not, this is criminal damage. whether you like it or not, this is criminal damage . and what do is criminal damage. and what do you have to say about this man's campaign? man, i think desperate times. desperate, desperate ii-s— times. desperate, desperate measures. it's as— c desperate, desperate measures. it's as simple as ines— measures. it's as simple as inei. ii— measures. it's as simple as inei. ii von— measures. it's as simple as that. if you put— measures. it's as simple as that. if you put people against the that. if you put people against ine neit— that. if you put people against the wall, they're _ that. if you put people against the wall, they're going to fight iesr. — the wall, they're going to fight iesr. von — the wall, they're going to fight iesr. von onsn— the wall, they're going to fight back. you push someone into a tire— back. you push someone into a corner like he— back. you push someone into a corner like he is.— back. you push someone into a corner like he is. what are they snooosei— corner like he is. what are they snooosei io— corner like he is. what are they supposed to do?— corner like he is. what are they supposed to do? i— corner like he is. what are they supposed to do? i mean, i'm not sonioning— supposed to do? i mean, i'm not sonioning n,— supposed to do? i mean, i'm not condoning it, but— supposed to do? i mean, i'm not condoning it, but i— supposed to do? i mean, i'm not condoning it, but i can't in all nonesiv— condoning it, but i can't in all nonesiv .— condoning it, but i can't in all honesty , condemn it. these honesty, condemn it. these oeooie— honesty, condemn it. these oeooie ee— honesty, condemn it. these people are desperate . they see people are desperate. they see inev-re— people are desperate. they see inev-re getting— people are desperate. they see they're getting nowhere. they see they're getting nowhere. they inei— they're getting nowhere. they inei-is— they're getting nowhere. they see that-is-to- they're getting nowhere. they see that is to come see that this is going to come in rnin— see that this is going to come in ruin countless— see that this is going to come in ruin countless lives. i have no iiee— in ruin countless lives. i have no iiee nov— in ruin countless lives. i have no idea how many— in ruin countless lives. i have no idea how many lives this is going— no idea how many lives this is going io— no idea how many lives this is going to rnin— no idea how many lives this is going to ruin. well, yeah, iesense— going to ruin. well, yeah, iesense ii— going to ruin. well, yeah, because it affects people living in-sonniies— because it affects people living in .counties all— because it affects people living in counties all around the in the counties all around the eige— in the counties all around the eigelionion— in the counties all around the edge london because they've edge of london because they've got edge of london because they've goi—inev-re- got their vans and they're iriving— got their vans and they're driving-work. - got their vans and they're driving work. ' “v: got their vans and they're- driving-work. and i guess driving into work. and i guess if you're a nurse doing a night shift, could be £25, not £12 shift, it could be £25, not £12 to to work. well we obviously to go to work. well we obviously can't way in any can't in any way in any way condone lawbreaking, don't condone lawbreaking, don't condone it. but i do get the angen condone it. but i do get the anger. nick i get it. i see it where i live. and people are very unhappy. we're going to

follow this court case. yeah, yeah. and we're to follow yeah. and we're going to follow the campaign. 4th of i'll the campaign. 4th of july. i'll be the campaign. 4th of july. i'll ie—inis- the campaign. 4th of july. i'll ie—inis viii- the campaign. 4th of july. i'lli be_this will-on be watching and this will go on for be watching and this will go on ior eioni— be watching and this will go on ior eioni e— be watching and this will go on for about a week. _ be watching and this will go on for about a week. 3 for about a week. i guess this court case, well, they say just two days full. fifth, is that it? two days full. fifth, is that iii inei-s— two days full. fifth, is that it? that's-they- two days full. fifth, is that it? that's-they said,l it? that's what they said, ionnn — it? that's what they said, fourth .fifth. - it? that's what they said, fourth fifth. so we'll see. fourth and fifth. so we'll see. ani— fourth and fifth. so we'll see. one ii— fourth and fifth. so we'll see. one ii von— fourth and fifth. so we'll see. and if you lose— fourth and fifth. so we'll see. and if you lose at— fourth and fifth. so we'll see. and if you lose at the- fourth and fifth. so we'll see. and if you lose at the end- fourth and fifth. so we'll see. and if you lose at the end of all of this, is it the 29th of august, these cameras are due to go live if i lose. i was asked inis— go live if i lose. i was asked on ine— go live if i lose. i was asked this the other— go live if i lose. i was asked this the other day,- 915c �*7 i was asked this the other day, funnily enongn— this the other day, funnily enongn-nev- this the other day, funnily enough, new york this the other day, funnily- enough,-new york times is enough, by the new york times is rigni. — enough, by the new york times is rigni. -innnv— enough, by the new york times is rigni. -innnv .— enough, by the new york times is rigii-innnv. ii-s- enough, by the new york times is right-funny. it's got. right. and it's funny. it's got international. yes. yes, it international. yes. oh, yes, it nes.— international. yes. oh, yes, it nes. ves.— international. yes. oh, yes, it has. yes. yeah.— international. yes. oh, yes, it has. yes. yeah. oh,- yes. oh, yes, it has. yes. yeah. oh, yeah. never oi— has. yes. yeah. oh, yeah. never aware of what's— has. yes. yeah. oh, yeah. never aware of what's going on and i neve— aware of what's going on and i neve io— aware of what's going on and i neve io savv— aware of what's going on and i have to say, the— aware of what's going on and i have to say, the journalists i soore— have to say, the journalists i soove io— have to say, the journalists i soore io es— have to say, the journalists i spoke to was i— have to say, the journalists i spoke to was i think , quite spoke to was i think, quite svnoeiieiis— spoke to was i think, quite sympathetic. you know, she esineiiv— sympathetic. you know, she actually understood what's going on. actually understood what's going so— actually understood what's going so ini— actually understood what's going so in es— actually understood what's going so in es i— actually understood what's going on. so but as i said— actually understood what's going on. so but as i said to her when sne— on. so but as i said to her when sne esrei— on. so but as i said to her when sne esiei ne— on. so but as i said to her when she asked me the— on. so but as i said to her when she asked me the same question, i she asked me the same question, i neven-i— she asked me the same question, i neven-i goi— she asked me the same question, i neven-i goi e— she asked me the same question, i haven't got a clue— she asked me the same question, i haven't got a clue . no, it's i haven't got a clue. no, it's as i haven't got a clue. no, it's es sinoie— i haven't got a clue. no, it's es sinoie es— i haven't got a clue. no, it's as simple as that. me personally . iie— as simple as that. me personally . he, i— as simple as that. me personally . he, i sennoi— as simple as that. me personally . me, i cannot afford a new veiisie— . me, i cannot afford a new vehicle. this— . me, i cannot afford a new vehicle. this this- . me, i cannot afford a new vehicle. this this pathetic snooo— vehicle. this this pathetic £2,000 that— vehicle. this this pathetic £2,000 that they offer you with a £2,000 that they offer you with e ssreooege— £2,000 that they offer you with a scrappage scheme. yeah. it ioesn-i— a scrappage scheme. yeah. it ioesn-i oev— a scrappage scheme. yeah. it ioesn-i oev ior— a scrappage scheme. yeah. it doesn't pay for the rest of the venisie— doesn't pay for the rest of the venisie io — doesn't pay for the rest of the vehicle to two— doesn't pay for the rest of the vehicle to two grand to get me noiiing— vehicle to two grand to get me noining. io— vehicle to two grand to get me noining. so von— vehicle to two grand to get me nothing. so you know. and ineres— nothing. so you know. and inere-s .— nothing. so you know. and inere-s . i— 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there's. i mean, i don't walk nnsn— there's. i mean, i don't walk nnsn .— there's. i mean, i don't walk nnsn . igni— there's. i mean, i don't walk much , right. so— there's. i mean, i don't walk much , right. so you'll see that much, right. so you'll see that ieier— much, right. so you'll see that ieier vnere— much, right. so you'll see that later where i— much, right. so you'll see that later where i live.— much, right. so you'll see that later where i live. yeah. nooeiniiv— later where i live. yeah. hopefully i'm- later where i live. yeah. hopefully i'm stuck. i do not know— hopefully i'm stuck. i do not know vnei— hopefully i'm stuck. i do not know what i'll— hopefully i'm stuck. i do not know what i'll do . \v viii hopefully i'm stuck. i do not know what i'll do . \v vioi gi; know what i'll do. nick. i get it. know what i'll do. nick. i get in i— know what i'll do. nick. i get it. i get it . know what i'll do. nick. i get it. i get it. i get it. i've neven it. i get it. i get it. i've never, ever . and it. i get it. i get it. i've never, ever. and thank you for joining us. i've never, ever, certainly where i live , you certainly where i live, you know, where i live on those borders of kent and what is now greater london. i have to say, i've never seen local people more energised and i'm energised by it, even though it won't affect me in any way at all. now, this is extraordinary . this now, this is extraordinary. this is extraordinary. us government officials are telling us that the first three people, all known to have the covid virus , known to have the covid virus, had worked in the wuhan lab . had worked in the wuhan lab. yes, it was the china virus. why is . this is. this david? it's absolutely

bang to rights, isn't it? this happenedin bang to rights, isn't it? this happened in the lab . yeah what happened in the lab. yeah what happened? not just— happened in the lab. yeah what happened? not just in- happened in the lab. yeah what happened? not just in the- : “ i/vitii“ what happened? not just in the wuhan lab, happened? not just in the wuhan r... esineiiv. — happened? not just in the wuhan lab, actually. there's two wuhan ieis. — lab, actually. there's two wuhan ieis. ii— lab, actually. there's two wuhan labs. it happened.— lab, actually. there's two wuhan labs. it happened. the lab that was controlled— labs. it happened. the lab that was controlled by— labs. it happened. the lab that was controlled by the infamous oiiis— was controlled by the infamous iiius ieiv— was controlled by the infamous batus lady, doctor sherry jiang lee batus lady, doctor sherry jiang iee .— batus lady, doctor sherry jiang iee . ani— batus lady, doctor sherry jiang iee . ani ii— batus lady, doctor sherry jiang lee . and it was— batus lady, doctor sherry jiang lee . and it was her most key lee. and it was her most key oersonnei— lee. and it was her most key personnel doing— lee. and it was her most key personnel doing not just coronavirus_ personnel doing not just coronavirus variant variant research, but— coronavirus variant variant research, but developing eivensei— research, but developing advanced coronavirus vectors inei— advanced coronavirus vectors ineivonii— advanced coronavirus vectors inei vonii ie— advanced coronavirus vectors that would be hyper transmissible and potentially oenienis— transmissible and potentially oenienis .— transmissible and potentially pandemic . and— transmissible and potentially pandemic . and they were doing it pandemic. and they were doing it ieiiiereieiv— pandemic. and they were doing it ieiiiereieiv .— pandemic. and they were doing it deliberately . and— pandemic. and they were doing it deliberately . and the funding deliberately. and the funding for deliberately. and the funding ior inei— deliberately. and the funding for that research we put in a declassified— for that research we put in a declassified fact— for that research we put in a declassified fact sheet several veers— declassified fact sheet several veers ego— declassified fact sheet several veers ego ei— declassified fact sheet several years ago at the— declassified fact sheet several years ago at the state department- years ago at the state department when i was there, came from the— department when i was there, came from the chinese military , came from the chinese military, eni— came from the chinese military, eni ve— came from the chinese military, and we believed— came from the chinese military, and we believed it— came from the chinese military, and we believed it had essentially— and we believed it had essentially nefarious designs to it . essentially nefarious designs to ii . ii-s— essentially nefarious designs to ii . its-iio— essentially nefarious designs to it . it's bio defence it. it's only bio defence reeiiv— it. it's only bio defence really i— it. it's only bio defence really, if you- it. it's only bio defence really, if you declare it to be iio— really, if you declare it to be iio ieiense— really, if you declare it to be bio defence and— really, if you declare it to be bio defence and the biological veeoos— bio defence and the biological weapons convention, this was esei— weapons convention, this was secret research— weapons convention, this was secret research not declared nnier— secret research not declared nnier ine— secret research not declared under the convention being soninsiei— under the convention being conducted with— under the convention being conducted with classified oersonnei— conducted with classified personnel and- conducted with classified personnel and classified budgets

that personnel and classified budgets on we— personnel and classified budgets that we revealed. _ personnel and classified budgets that we revealed. and now inere-ii— that we revealed. and now inere-ii ie— that we revealed. and now there'll be significant declassified information coming out declassified information coming oniio— declassified information coming out to illuminate. _ declassified information coming out to illuminate. but these are the out to illuminate. but these are ine oeooie— out to illuminate. but these are ine oeooie eiso— out to illuminate. but these are the people also working on svnineiis— the people also working on synthetic biological variants. von— synthetic biological variants. von vvoneri— synthetic biological variants. you wonder why— synthetic biological variants. you wonder why covid is so iiiiereni— you wonder why covid is so different than— you wonder why covid is so different than anything that's evisiei— different than anything that's evisiei in— different than anything that's existed in the— different than anything that's existed in the past. it's iesense— existed in the past. it's because it's— existed in the past. it's because it's largely biosynthesized. it was never a neinreiiv— biosynthesized. it was never a naturally extend— biosynthesized. it was never a naturally extend virus that that was even in a lab— naturally extend virus that that was even in a lab designed to moron— was even in a lab designed to noon or— was even in a lab designed to noon or or— was even in a lab designed to morph or or transmit between enineis. — morph or or transmit between enineis. ii— morph or or transmit between animals. it was— morph or or transmit between animals. it was made as a eniiisiei— animals. it was made as a artificial variant, most likely iron— artificial variant, most likely iron ine— artificial variant, most likely from the beginning . well david, from the beginning. well david, iisien— from the beginning. well david, iisien inenr— from the beginning. well david, listen, thank you _ from the beginning. well david, listen, thank you for that up to ieie— listen, thank you for that up to date information— listen, thank you for that up to date information on it. i'm esionisnei— date information on it. i'm astonished that— date information on it. i'm astonished that this isn't a bigger story . astonished that this isn't a bigger story. but to you and the hudson institute, please keep up the great work. thank you very much indeed. jacob joins me . much indeed. jacob joins me. jacob, just astonished by that . jacob, just astonished by that. i mean, you know, there it is, us government officials telling us that patient zero did come from a lab in wuhan. trump, of course, was calling this out from the beginning. so everyone said it can't possibly be true .

said it can't possibly be true. and yet we appear to be so in hock to china that virtually no one wants to talk about. it's absolutely extraordinary. i ii— absolutely extraordinary. i mean, if all— absolutely extraordinary. i mean, if all this information is sorresi inen — mean, if all this information is correct, then it's— mean, if all this information is correct, then it's even worse inen— correct, then it's even worse inen ve — correct, then it's even worse than we thought. - correct, then it's even worse than we thought. but it's coming iron— than we thought. but it's coming iron verv— than we thought. but it's coming iron verv nign— than we thought. but it's coming from very high, very high sources and— from very high, very high sources and some very resoesieiie— sources and some very respectable people. i had matt ridley— respectable people. i had matt ridley on— respectable people. i had matt ridley on program and he ridley on my program and he neon-i— ridley on my program and he nein-i gone— ridley on my program and he hadn't gone for— ridley on my program and he hadn't gone for this early on, ini— hadn't gone for this early on, in nei— hadn't gone for this early on, but he'd been— hadn't gone for this early on, but he'd been persuaded that it veslooiion.— but he'd been persuaded that it was option. should think was an option. you should think eioni— was an option. you should think eioni .— was an option. you should think eioni . ani— was an option. you should think about . and people think about about. and as people think about it it about. and as people think about ii-ii ooes— about. and as people think about ii-ii ooes-es- about. and as people think about it-it does-as if- it more, it does seem as if a ioi— it more, it does seem as if a ioi oi— it more, it does seem as if a lot of evidence— it more, it does seem as if a lot of evidence is- it more, it does seem as if a lot of evidence is there. and cor...— lot of evidence is there. and china, therefore _ lot of evidence is there. and china, therefore has questions to answer about— china, therefore has questions to answer about its responsibility. to answer about its- responsibility. reparations to answer about its— responsibility. reparations to pay responsibility. reparations to pay that. well, you would have thought, well, that will be the campaign of one donald trump campaign of one donald j. trump as for the presidency as he runs for the presidency next possibly a next year, possibly from a prison cell, which may be rather don't think that's going to happen, but we never know. jacob, what have you got coming up tonight, we're going to be talking inflation and the talking about inflation and the failure england. failure of the bank of england. yes. mean, it's just had its yes. i mean, it's just had its neei— yes. i mean, it's just had its neei inriei— yes. i mean, it's just had its head buried .the- yes. i mean, it's just had its head buried the sand. it is head buried in the sand. it is ine— head buried in the sand. it is ine osirisn— head buried in the sand. it is the ostrich bank— head buried in the sand. it is the ostrich bank of england and we

the ostrich bank of england and ve—inei- the ostrich bank of england and ve—inei isn-i- we have inflation that isn't soning— we have inflation that isn't coming-interest- we have inflation that isn't coming interest rates coming down. interest rates likely— coming down. interest rates iireivlrise— coming down. interest rates likely-rise-otherl likely to rise further. other soniies— likely to rise further. other. countries _ better likely to rise further. other- countries_better job countries have done a betterjob viii— countries have done a betterjob viii-ooiisv. — countries have done a betterjob viii-ooiisv. why- countries have done a betterjob with policy. why has with monetary policy. why has the with monetary policy. why has ine-oi— with monetary policy. why has ine-oi-goi- with monetary policy. why has ine-oi-goi ii- with monetary policy. why has the-of-got it sol the bank of england got it so wronge— the bank of england got it so vronge-iesoi- the bank of england got it so wrong? jacob and wrong? i think jacob and i ionigni— wrong? i think jacob and i ionigni ee— wrong? i think jacob and i tonight are absolutely the tonight are absolutely on the same-andrew- tonight are absolutely on the same _andrew out. tonight are absolutely on the same _andrew out toi tonight are absolutely on the- same _andrew out to lunch. same page. andrew out to lunch. bailey, as he was known when he headed up the fca, the financial regulator, not because he enjoyed lunch, but enjoyed a good lunch, but i wouldn't condemn him for that, enjoyed a good lunch, but i woubecauseidemn him for that, enjoyed a good lunch, but i wou because whenever for that, enjoyed a good lunch, but i wou because whenever anything but because whenever anything important simply important happened, he simply wasn't completely wasn't there. he is completely and utterly and a very and utterly useless and a very poor appointment. well before jacob's show , let's have a look jacob's show, let's have a look at the all important weather. hello it's aidan mcgivern here viii— hello it's aidan mcgivern here viin ine— hello it's aidan mcgivern here viin tie on— hello it's aidan mcgivern here with the gb news— it's aidan mcgivern here with the gb news forecast from the with the gb news forecast from ine nei— with the gb news forecast from the met office. _ with the gb news forecast from the met office. a— with the gb news forecast from the met office. a change on the way— the met office. a change on the vev over— the met office. a change on the vev ine— the met office. a change on the way over the next— the met office. a change on the way over the next few days. rever— way over the next few days. fewer showers— way over the next few days. fewer showers and sunny soniiiions— fewer showers and sunny conditions for— fewer showers and sunny conditions for many, it will inrn— conditions for many, it will inrn noiier— conditions for many, it will turn hotter in— conditions for many, it will turn hotter in south later, turn hotter in the south later, ini— turn hotter in the south later, in inere-ii— turn hotter in the south later, but there'll i some - turn hotter in the south later, but there'll some persistent but there'll be some persistent rein— but there'll be some persistent rein-nonn— but there'll be some persistent. rain-north-weekend rain in the north by the weekend as rain in the north by the weekend es veii. — rain in the north by the weekend as well. nevertheless showers on vveinesiev. — as well. nevertheless showers on wednesday. soon— as well. nevertheless showers on wednesday. soon disappearing into wednesday. soon disappearing inio ine— wednesday. soon disappearing inio ine nigni— wednesday. soon disappearing into the night and then clear soeiis— into the night and then clear soeiis by— into the night and then clear soeiis iv ine— into the night and then clear spells by the time we wake up on iinrsiev— spells by the time we wake up on thursday, there— spells by the time we wake up on thursday, there will— spells by the time we wake up on thursday, there will be some oeisnv— thursday, there will be some oeisnv stoni— thursday, there will be some patchy cloud out— thursday, there will be some patchy cloud out there and temperatures— patchy cloud out there and temperatures won't fall much innner— temperatures won't fall much innner inen— temperatures won't fall much further than 13— temperatures won't fall much further than 13 to 15 celsius in ine—

further than 13 to 15 celsius in ine sonin— further than 13 to 15 celsius in the south. perhaps the single iignres— the south. perhaps the single iignres in— the south. perhaps the single figures in the— the south. perhaps the single figures in the north a fresher ieei— figures in the north a fresher feel compared— figures in the north a fresher feel compared to— figures in the north a fresher feel compared to the start of ine— feel compared to the start of tie veer— feel compared to the start of the week and— feel compared to the start of the week and compared to what's to soe— the week and compared to what's to come heading— the week and compared to what's to come heading into the weekend viii— to come heading into the weekend viin soe— to come heading into the weekend viin nnggv— to come heading into the weekend with some muggy nights reinrning— with some muggy nights returning. but plenty of snnsnine— returning. but plenty of sunshine. thing on sunshine. first thing on innrsiev— sunshine. first thing on thursday as— sunshine. first thing on thursday as the temperatures risev _ thursday as the temperatures -see — thursday as the temperatures nsese-e ine— thursday as the temperatures rise, see the shower rise, we'll see the shower sionis— rise, we'll see the shower clouds bubble— rise, we'll see the shower clouds bubble up once again. agein— clouds bubble up once again. agein inese— clouds bubble up once again. again these will— clouds bubble up once again. again these will be hit and miss iovnoonrs— again these will be hit and miss downpours. some— again these will be hit and miss downpours. some thunderstorms out downpours. some thunderstorms oniinere— downpours. some thunderstorms oni inere es— downpours. some thunderstorms out there as well. _ downpours. some thunderstorms out there as well. and most iiveiv— out there as well. and most likely affecting— out there as well. and most likely affecting northern ingieni— likely affecting northern england into— likely affecting northern england into the midlands, wales and england into the midlands, wales ene-angie— england into the midlands, wales ene-angie .— england into the midlands, wales and-anglia . away- england into the midlands, wales and anglia . away from and east anglia. away from iiese— and east anglia. away from these,-showers- and east anglia. away from these, showers will these, any showers will be ieiriv— these, any showers will be fairly isolated.— these, any showers will be fairly isolated. temperatures niiiing— fairly isolated. temperatures niiiing zo— fairly isolated. temperatures hitting 29 celsius in the south—east— hitting 29 celsius in the south—east low to mid 20s fairly viieiv— south—east low to mid 20s fairly viieiv eos— south—east low to mid 20s fairly widely across the _ south—east low to mid 20s fairly widely across the uk and into innrsiev— widely across the uk and into thursday nights. _ widely across the uk and into thursday nights. we keep that muggy— thursday nights. we keep that nnggv ieei. — thursday nights. we keep that nnggv ieei. in— thursday nights. we keep that muggy feel. in fact, it's a warmer night— muggy feel. in fact, it's a warmer night to come across the uk warmer night to come across the iii iesoiie— warmer night to come across the nv iesoiie oieniv— warmer night to come across the uk despite plenty of clear skies out uk despite plenty of clear skies oni inere. — uk despite plenty of clear skies out there. the— uk despite plenty of clear skies out there. the clouds will build in ine— out there. the clouds will build in ine vesi— out there. the clouds will build in ine vesi by— out there. the clouds will build in the west by the— out there. the clouds will build in the west by the end of the nigni— in the west by the end of the nigni viii— in the west by the end of the night with some— in the west by the end of the night with some showery rain for nonnern— night with some showery rain for northern ireland— night with some showery rain for northern ireland and in many oieses— northern ireland and in many places temperatures holding up in-ieens— places temperatures holding up in-ieens eni- places temperatures holding up in teens and perhaps in the mid teens and perhaps somewhere like— in the mid teens and perhaps somewhere like london, 18 ceisins. — somewhere like london, 18 ceisinslve— somewhere like london, 18 celsius. we start off friday celsius. so we start off friday viii— celsius. so we start off friday viin inose— celsius. so we start off friday with those outbreaks of rain onsning— with those outbreaks of rain onsning inio— with those outbreaks of rain pushing into western scotland eni— pushing into western scotland eni nonnern— pushing into western scotland and northern ireland, showery rain:— and northern ireland, showery reinsorne-— and northern ireland, showery rain,-some heavy- and northern ireland, showery rain, some heavy bursts as

rain, but some heavy bursts as veii— rain, but some heavy bursts as veiilingieni— rain, but some heavy bursts as well-england and- rain, but some heavy bursts as well england and wales it's well for england and wales it's iergeiv— well for england and wales it's iergeiv irv— well for england and wales it's iergeiv irv ei— well for england and wales it's largely dry at first with some snnsnine— largely dry at first with some sunshine, but— largely dry at first with some sunshine, but parts of wales viii— sunshine, but parts of wales viii see— sunshine, but parts of wales will see some— sunshine, but parts of wales will see some showers move in by the will see some showers move in by ine—inis— the afternoon. all this associated— the afternoon. all this associated series the afternoon. all this- associated - series of associated with a series of veeiner— associated with a series of weather fronts _ associated with a series of weather fronts which are increasingly— weather fronts which are increasingly affecting the north and northwest— increasingly affecting the north and northwest of— increasingly affecting the north and northwest of the uk into the veekeni— and northwest of the uk into the weekend. they're— and northwest of the uk into the weekend. they're going to slide esross—oens- weekend. they're going to slide across _ parts with i across northwestern parts with nign— across northwestern parts with nign-siinging- across northwestern parts with high clinging close to hiin pressure clinging close to the high pressure clinging close to tie sonin— high pressure clinging close to the south. and— high pressure clinging close to the south. and that's means that inere-ii— the south. and that's means that inere-ii ie— the south. and that's means that there'll be plenty— the south. and that's means that there'll be plenty of sunshine for there'll be plenty of sunshinei for—southeastern for southern and southeastern oens— for southern and southeastern oens. ani— for southern and southeastern parts. and those— for southern and southeastern parts. and those temperatures viii— parts. and those temperatures viii reeiiv— parts. and those temperatures will really shoot— parts. and those temperatures will really shoot up up to 30 ceisins— will really shoot up up to 30 ceisins or— will really shoot up up to 30 celsius or more— will really shoot up up to 30 celsius or more by.

saturday hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg the jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. the inflation nation. tonight the inflation figures out and for now at figures are out and for now at least, the silent thief is here to stay. clearly against