noises . five people are those noises. five people are inside— those noises. five people are inside the— those noises. five people are inside the craft— those noises. five people are inside the craft ._ those noises. five people are inside the craft . they may have inside the craft. they may have as mue— inside the craft. they may have as was as— inside the craft. they may have as little as 20— inside the craft. they may have as little as 20 hours of oxygen left— as little as 20 hours of oxygen less ,— as little as 20 hours of oxygen left , limited— as little as 20 hours of oxygen left , limited rations as little as 20 hours of oxygen left, limited rations on board as wen.— left, limited rations on board as well. british,— left, limited rations on board as well. british, pakistani businessman— as well. british, pakistani businessman shahzada dawood and his son— businessman shahzada dawood and his son sulaiman_ businessman shahzada dawood and his son sulaiman are on board along— his son sulaiman are on board along with— his son sulaiman are on board along with british billionaire explorer— along with british billionaire explorer hamish harding. captain jamie— explorer hamish harding. captain jamie frederick— explorer hamish harding. captain jamie frederick from the us coastguard— jamie frederick from the us coastguard said— jamie frederick from the us coastguard said within the last hour— coastguard said within the last hour rescuers— coastguard said within the last hour rescuers have to remain optimistic— hour rescuers have to remain apaamasas. — hour rescuers have to remain optimistic . the— hour rescuers have to remain optimistic . f ”at." optimistic. the surface search is now approximate two times the size of connecticut and the sub surface search is up to two and a half miles deep. surface search is up to two and a half miles deep . exponentially a half miles deep. exponentially expand , adding the size of the expand, adding the size of the search area . we also have to search area. we also have to factor in the ever changing weather conditions, currents and sea states that expand the search area every hour . there is search area every hour. there is an enormous complexity associated with this case due to the location being so offshore so far offshore, and the coordination between multiple agencies and nations . well, agencies and nations. well, we'll keep you up- agencies and nations. well, we'll keep you up to- gf a“: well, we'll keep you up to date on that— we'll keep you up to date on that sassy,— we'll keep you up to date on that sassy, af— we'll keep you up to date on that story, of course, throughout- that story, of course, throughout the rest of the evening. — throughout the rest of the evening. meanwhile a man was

arrested— evening. meanwhile a man was arrested today— evening. meanwhile a man was arrested today following a stabbing— arrested today following a stabbing outside central middlesex_ stabbing outside central. middlesex_west middlesex hospital in west landon.— middlesex hospital in west saaaaa. awa— middlesex hospital in west london. two people sustained ans-arias— london. two people sustained iaiaiiss ans— london. two people sustained injuries, one-life- injuries, one with life threatening- injuries, one with life threatening injuries. the saspssi— threatening injuries. the suspect admitted to hospital wiii— suspect admitted to hospital wiiis severe— suspect admitted to hospital with severe self—inflicted iaiaiies— with severe self—inflicted iaiaiies .— with severe self—inflicted iaiaiies . a— with severe self—inflicted injuries . a spokesperson for the injuries. a spokesperson for the iespiiai— injuries. a spokesperson for the isspiiai says— injuries. a spokesperson for the hospital says the— injuries. a spokesperson for the hospital says the building was iempeiaiiiy— hospital says the building was temporarily locked down but has since— temporarily locked down but has since reopened.— temporarily locked down but has since reopened. armed police deployed— since reopened. armed police were deployed to— since reopened. armed police were deployed to the scene , but were deployed to the scene, but the were deployed to the scene, but is iasiieai— were deployed to the scene, but the incident was— were deployed to the scene, but the incident was not being iieaiei— the incident was not being iieaiei as— the incident was not being treated as terror related . now, treated as terror related. now, as vea-ve assa— treated as terror related. now, as you've been hearing, the uk's iaiiaiiea— as you've been hearing, the uk's inflation rate— as you've been hearing, the uk's inflation rate stayed the same , inflation rate stayed the same, isspiie— inflation rate stayed the same, despite expectations there may have— despite expectations there may have been— despite expectations there may have been a— despite expectations there may have been a little— despite expectations there may have been a little fall. the office— have been a little fall. the office ia— have been a little fall. the office for national statistics veieasei— office for national statistics released its— office for national statistics released its figures showing iaiiaiiea— released its figures showing inflation stayed at 8.7, up till the inflation stayed at 8.7, up till iiie sai— inflation stayed at 8.7, up till is see ei— inflation stayed at 8.7, up till the end of may.— inflation stayed at 8.7, up till the end of may. that's the same rais— the end of may. that's the same iaie as— the end of may. that's the same iaie as during— the end of may. that's the same rate as during april, and that as siss— rate as during april, and that comes as the uk's debt net debt easies— comes as the uk's debt net debt veaeisei £2.6— comes as the uk's debt net debt reached £2.6 trillion at the end of siss— reached £2.6 trillion at the end of is same— reached £2.6 trillion at the end of the same month. meanwhile, the of the same month. meanwhile, iris aveaeg— of the same month. meanwhile, iris aveaes us— of the same month. meanwhile, the average uk house price irereasei— the average uk house price irrereasei iv— the average uk house price increased by 3.5% in the 12 marries— increased by 3.5% in the 12 marries is— increased by 3.5% in the 12 months to april— increased by 3.5% in the 12 months to april . the government months to april. the government has sei— months to april. the government has sei sai— months to april. the government has sei eai a— months to april. the government has set out a major— months to april. the government has set out a major package of iirrarreiai— has set out a major package of financial support— has set out a major package of financial support for ukraine to

ieisier— financial support for ukraine to ieisier irre— financial support for ukraine to bolster the country's economic siaiiiiiv— bolster the country's economic siaiiiiiv as— bolster the country's economic stability as it— bolster the country's economic stability as it continues to push— stability as it continues to pasir bask— stability as it continues to push back russian forces . the push back russian forces. the package— push back russian forces. the package includes— push back russian forces. the package includes a £20 million bassi— package includes a £20 million ieesi is— package includes a £20 million boost to ensure— package includes a £20 million boost to ensure companies working— boost to ensure companies working irr— boost to ensure companies working in ukraine are funded preserv— working in ukraine are funded properlv .— working in ukraine are funded properlv . iiai— working in ukraine are funded properly . that includes the properly. that includes the raising— properly. that includes the iarriirss ei— properly. that includes the funding of £2.35 billion of varia— funding of £2.35 billion of world bank— funding of £2.35 billion of world bank loan guarantees sapperiirrg— world bank loan guarantees sapperiirsg irre— world bank loan guarantees supporting the restoration of via— supporting the restoration of viiai paiiie— supporting the restoration of vital public services, including rearing— vital public services, including running schools— vital public services, including running schools and hospitals. irre— running schools and hospitals. iire prime— running schools and hospitals. the prime minister says russia musi— the prime minister says russia masi pav— the prime minister says russia masi pav rer— the prime minister says russia masi pay for aire— the prime minister says russia must pay for the destruction is— must pay for the destruction it's inflicted _ must pay for the destruction it's inflicted as— must pay for the destruction it's inflicted as a— must pay for the destruction it's inflicted as a result of irre— it's inflicted as a result of iris — it's inflicted as a result of the war. that's— it's inflicted as a result of the war. that's your news you're up is— the war. that's your news you're up is dais— the war. that's your news you're as is iaie sa— the war. that's your news you're up to date on tv— the war. that's your news you're up to date on tv online dab+ ieaiis— up to date on tv online dab+ ieaiis arri— up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the— up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is es— radio and the tune in app. this is es nevs— radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. this— radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. this is— radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. this is britain's news. channel visu— news. channel vveii ,- news. channel well , it's the same news. channel- well , it's the same story news. channel— well , it's the same story as well, it's the same story as iasi— well, it's the same story as iasi msrsiis. — well, it's the same story as last month. the- well, it's the same story as last month. iii" last month. the inflation figures were out at 7:00 this morning and once again, the markets, the city, the analysts are all shocked. why because inflation didn't fall . and

inflation didn't fall. and that's despite the fact that, of course, filling up the car is much cheaper than it was this time last year. that the rocketing food inflation was less than it had been the previous month. but it is the underlying core inflation that has the problem. now, has caused the problem. now, i have to say i do hold the governor of the bank of england, bailey, very responsible for this. he didn't even see it coming. and when it did appear, he said, don't worry, your poor little heads, this will merely be transitory. now we're be transitory. and now we're ramping up interest rates. they will go up again tomorrow. it'll be the 13th rise in rates as they try to dampen it down. but nobody, of course, acknowledges at all that the massive increase in the money supply. years of quantitative easing have anything to do with it .7 no, no, anything to do with it.7 no, no, no. we can't say that it reminds me of a comment i heard in 1980 from enoch powell, a very early monetarist who said inflation an is a disease of money caused by government . and i believe that government. and i believe that to be the case, except in this particular case, i think it's

the bank of england. do you agree with me.7 has the bank of england blown it.7 give me your thoughts, farage at gb news .com . liam halligan gb news is economics and business editor joins me . economics and business editor joins me. liam one of rishi's big five pledges is that by christmas inflation will be down under 3. not going to happen is it. that quote you just gave? interestingly, nigel, it echoed the interestingly, nigel, it echoed iris vsris— interestingly, nigel, it echoed iris vsris si— interestingly, nigel, it echoed the words of a— interestingly, nigel, it echoed the words of a nobel laureate eesrrsrrisi— the words of a nobel laureate economist milton— the words of a nobel laureate economist milton friedman. of course , inflation— economist milton friedman. of course , inflation is always and course, inflation is always and everywhere— course, inflation is always and evervvirere a— course, inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.- everywhere a monetary phenomenon. let's come to on saarriiiaiive— phenomenon. let's come to on quantitative easing, because i use— quantitative easing, because i iiie vsa— quantitative easing, because i iiie vsa .— quantitative easing, because i iiie vsa , rave— quantitative easing, because i like you , have been very like you, have been very eriiieai— like you, have been very critical of _ like you, have been very critical of quantitative easing for critical of quantitative easing isr marv— critical of quantitative easing isr marsv veas — critical of quantitative easing for many years. and just look at the for many years. and just look at iris erasers— for many years. and just look at the numbers, 8.7%_ for many years. and just look at the numbers, 8.7% inflation isiav— the numbers, 8.7% inflation isiav irr— the numbers, 8.7% inflation assay is mayr— the numbers, 8.7% inflation assay is may, a— the numbers, 8.7% inflation today in may, a huge surprise . today in may, a huge surprise. aimssi— today in may, a huge surprise. aimssi ris— today in may, a huge surprise. almost no one— today in may, a huge surprise. almost no one saw that coming in. almost no one saw that coming irr- irriiaiisrs— almost no one saw that coming in. inflation now— almost no one saw that coming in. inflation now is— almost no one saw that coming in. inflation now is an outlier in. inflation now is an outlier irs irre— in. inflation now is an outlier irs iris us— in. inflation now is an outlier in the uk because eurozone irrfiaiisrr— in the uk because eurozone inflation is— in the uk because eurozone inflation is 6.1.— in the uk because eurozone inflation is 6.1. us inflation is e.— inflation is 6.1. us inflation is a. ss— inflation is 6.1. us inflation is a. ss ve— inflation is 6.1. us inflation is 4. so we do— inflation is 6.1. us inflation is 4. so we do have the highest irrfiaiisrr— is 4. so we do have the highest irriiaiisrs iv— is 4. so we do have the highest irriiaiisrs iv a— is 4. so we do have the highest inflation by a long— is 4. so we do have the highest inflation by a long way in the g7 inflation by a long way in the es irr— inflation by a long way in the es in issi— inflation by a long way in the g7 in food price— inflation by a long way in the g7 in food price inflation. siiii— g7 in food price inflation. still above— g7 in food price inflation. still above 18.— g7 in food price inflation. still above 18. even though visiesaie— still above 18. even though wholesale food _ still above 18. even though wholesale food prices have come isvrr— wholesale food prices have come

isvrr a— wholesale food prices have come isvrr a isi. — wholesale food prices have come down a lot. but— wholesale food prices have come down a lot. but as— wholesale food prices have come down a lot. but as you say , its down a lot. but as you say, its core inflation,— down a lot. but as you say, its core inflation, this— down a lot. but as you say, its core inflation, this is inflation. _ core inflation, this is inflation. when you strip out vol inflation. when you strip out vsi sivie— inflation. when you strip out vol style things— inflation. when you strip out vol style things like food prises— vol style things like food prices energy— vol style things like food prices, energy prices, alcohol prise— prices, energy prices, alcohol prise is— prices, energy prices, alcohol prise is risi— prices, energy prices, alcohol price is not much— prices, energy prices, alcohol price is not much fun for you . price is not much fun for you. reari— price is not much fun for you. iiari vea— price is not much fun for you. everything. thank you. everything. iverviirirrs— thank you. everything. everything. lots- everything. lots of everything. lots of things everything. lots of things that are everything. lots of things that impasse.— everything. lots of things that are imported. so— everything. lots of things that are imported. so you strip out sire— are imported. so you strip out iris exchange— are imported. so you strip out the exchange rate— are imported. so you strip out the exchange rate implications on on inflation— the exchange rate implications on on inflation and it's the reserving— on on inflation and it's the underlying domestic price pressure from _ underlying domestic price pressure from wage bargaining, irsrr— pressure from wage bargaining, rrsrr superv— pressure from wage bargaining, from supply chains domestically and from supply chains domestically aria irresi— from supply chains domestically and indeed from _ from supply chains domestically and indeed from monetary growth. and and indeed from monetary growth. aria arrai— and indeed from monetary growth. aria iirai re— and indeed from monetary growth. and that core inflation went up irsrr— and that core inflation went up rrsrr seis— and that core inflation went up rrsrr ssis irr— and that core inflation went up from 6.8% in april to 7.1% in may. — from 6.8% in april to 7.1% in may. arri— from 6.8% in april to 7.1% in may. aria iei-s— from 6.8% in april to 7.1% in may. and let's have a quick look isfsre— may. and let's have a quick look isisre ve— may. and let's have a quick look before we talk— may. and let's have a quick look before we talk about qe at irrieresi— before we talk about qe at interest rates— before we talk about qe at interest rates ,_ before we talk about qe at interest rates , where they're interest rates, where they're going— interest rates, where they're going is — interest rates, where they're going is as — interest rates, where they're going to go tomorrow. we can see irsrrs— going to go tomorrow. we can see rrsrr iris— going to go tomorrow. we can see rrsrr iiris graph— going to go tomorrow. we can see from this graph that— going to go tomorrow. we can see from this graph that the bank of insiaai— from this graph that the bank of england vesi— from this graph that the bank of england kept interest rates aiira— england kept interest rates aiira iss— england kept interest rates ultra low, 2017— england kept interest rates ultra low, 2017 all the way iirrsagir— ultra low, 2017 all the way iirsasir is— ultra low, 2017 all the way through to 2021. then you had iisse— through to 2021. then you had iirsse i2— through to 2021. then you had those 12 successive rises. iiai-s— those 12 successive rises. iirai-s viv— those 12 successive rises. that's why 5—3- those 12 successive rises. that's why 5—3 and two year massage— that's why 5—3 and two year mortgage deals— that's why 5—3 and two year mortgage deals as they're now reviving,— mortgage deals as they're now unwinding, people are having to remsrisase— unwinding, people are having to remsrisage ai— unwinding, people are having to remortgage at much, much higher raesi— remortgage at much, much higher raesi sai— remortgage at much, much higher raesi sai sire— remortgage at much, much higher rates. but the bank— remortgage at much, much higher rates. but the bank of england

tomorrow, it's— rates. but the bank of england tomorrow, it's nailed on. it's going— tomorrow, it's nailed on. it's going is— tomorrow, it's nailed on. it's going is 90— tomorrow, it's nailed on. it's going to 90 from _ tomorrow, it's nailed on. it's going to go from at least 4.5% sass— going to go from at least 4.5% sass raie. — going to go from at least 4.5% base rate. base— going to go from at least 4.5% base rate. base rates and 4.75, ssssiiiv— base rate. base rates and 4.75, ssssiiiv eve— base rate. base rates and 4.75, possibly even to— base rate. base rates and 4.75, possibly even to 5.— base rate. base rates and 4.75, possibly even to 5. the money markers— possibly even to 5. the money markers are— possibly even to 5. the money markets are now— possibly even to 5. the money markets are now saying there's a seis— markets are now saying there's a 50s. caiss— markets are now saying there's a 50% chance that— markets are now saying there's a 50% chance that that will happen . a e— 50% chance that that will happen . a more radical— 50% chance that that will happen . a more radical interest rate rise— . a more radical interest rate is— . a more radical interest rate is irv— . a more radical interest rate is irv arri— . a more radical interest rate rise to try and stamp down on irriiaiisrr. — rise to try and stamp down on inflation. this,— rise to try and stamp down on inflation. this, of— rise to try and stamp down on inflation. " rib. inflation. this, of course, impacts on people's lives in an enormous way. and we'll be in barnsley doing a farage at large tomorrow night. you'll be with me and we'll be talking to folk there about what this means for them. responsible the them. how responsible is the bank of this? there are bank for all of this? there are many reasons for this uk inflation. there's lockdown, of ssarse—irase- course, which caused huge irriarisrr. — course, which caused huge. inflation. _that course, which caused huge- inflation. _that , inflation. then on top of that, rise— inflation. then on top of that, rise var— inflation. then on top of that, rise irr— inflation. then on top of that, the war in ukraine, though, we must— the war in ukraine, though, we must sav— the war in ukraine, though, we must sav us— the war in ukraine, though, we must say uk inflation was a 30 year— must say uk inflation was a 30 year-ever— must say uk inflation was a 30 year-even before- must say uk inflation was a 30 year even before putin's year high even before putin's irvasisrr— year high even before putin's irr— year high even before putin's invasion in february 2022. but for invasion in february 2022. but rsr rse— invasion in february 2022. but rsr ras .— invasion in february 2022. but rsr ras , ire— invasion in february 2022. but for me , the issue— invasion in february 2022. but for me , the issue that no for me, the issue that no mamsreamr— for me, the issue that no mainstream commentators like raining— mainstream commentators like raining assas— mainstream commentators like talking about, certainly not mebers— talking about, certainly not member sr— talking about, certainly not members of the monetary policy csmminee. — members of the monetary policy committee. oh,— members of the monetary policy committee. oh, no— members of the monetary policy committee. oh, no , it wouldn't committee. oh, no, it wouldn't be me— committee. oh, no, it wouldn't be me isms— committee. oh, no, it wouldn't be the done thing,— committee. oh, no, it wouldn't be the done thing, chaps and snaps— be the done thing, chaps and enabs is— be the done thing, chaps and snabs is me— be the done thing, chaps and chaps is the fact— be the done thing, chaps and chaps is the fact that we have massiveiv— chaps is the fact that we have massively expanded the central banks— massively expanded the central bank's balance— massively expanded the central bank's balance sheet since 2009.

enama— bank's balance sheet since 2009. eaanba si— bank's balance sheet since 2009. quanta of easing— bank's balance sheet since 2009. quanta of easing an emergency vnien— quanta of easing an emergency measure which i— quanta of easing an emergency measure which i agreed with in part— measure which i agreed with in ban ab— measure which i agreed with in ban a me— measure which i agreed with in part at the beginning to stop the part at the beginning to stop me banning— part at the beginning to stop the banking system collapsing. but the banking system collapsing. bm me— the banking system collapsing. but the emergency measure became a iibesrvie— but the emergency measure became a lifestyle choice.— but the emergency measure became a lifestyle choice. it— but the emergency measure became a lifestyle choice. it became erasi— a lifestyle choice. it became crack cocaine _ a lifestyle choice. it became crack cocaine of— a lifestyle choice. it became crack cocaine of economics bease— crack cocaine of economics bease n— crack cocaine of economics because it ramped up financial markets— because it ramped up financial markets ani— because it ramped up financial markets and it— because it ramped up financial markets and it meant governments esaii— markets and it meant governments ssaii bsrrsv— markets and it meant governments could borrow cheaply . �*fvr�*fiil markets and it meant governments could borrow cheaply . r: r: could borrow cheaply. what did it ass— could borrow cheaply. what did it ass is— could borrow cheaply. what did it do? it made the rich richer. it made the rich richer. okay. bsn— it made the rich richer. okay. vsa nai— it made the rich richer. okay. vsa baa me— it made the rich richer. okay. you had the asset— it made the rich richer. okay. you had the asset push inflation.— you had the asset push inflation. it— you had the asset push inflation. it was asset push imiarisn. — inflation. it was asset push inflation. it— inflation. it was asset push inflation. it was— inflation. it was asset push inflation. it was asset push inflation. it was a huge driver of inflation. it was a huge driver si veabn— inflation. it was a huge driver of wealth inequality. it pushed up of wealth inequality. it pushed as mass— of wealth inequality. it pushed up house prices— of wealth inequality. it pushed up house prices for people who nai— up house prices for people who baa nsases— up house prices for people who baa nsases .— up house prices for people who had houses , made— up house prices for people who had houses , made it more had houses, made it more amicab— had houses, made it more difficult for— had houses, made it more difficult for people who didn't. but difficult for people who didn't. bar as— difficult for people who didn't. bar as mast— difficult for people who didn't. but we must distinguish nigel beaveen— but we must distinguish nigel beaveen bre— but we must distinguish nigel between pre covid era qe from zoos— between pre covid era qe from zoos bs— between pre covid era qe from oooo as zoio. — between pre covid era qe from 2009 to 2019. that was £425 biiiisn— 2009 to 2019. that was £425 billion export— 2009 to 2019. that was £425 billion export version of the bank— billion export version of the bank si— billion export version of the bank of england's balance sheet , basisaiiv— bank of england's balance sheet , basically creating— bank of england's balance sheet , basically creating money from nomine— , basically creating money from nsmina .— , basically creating money from nothing , digital— , basically creating money from nothing, digital money , basically creating money from nothing , digital money from nothing, digital money from nomina— nothing, digital money from nsrnins. bab— nothing, digital money from nothing. but we did more qe baring— nothing. but we did more qe baring me— nothing. but we did more qe during the two— nothing. but we did more qe during the two years of lockdown. _ during the two years of lockdown. nigel than we did baring— lockdown. nigel than we did baring me— lockdown. nigel than we did during the previous ten years. qe during the previous ten years. or money— during the previous ten years. qe money printing funded barisasn— qe money printing funded farisasn .— qe money printing funded rarisagn . n— qe money printing funded furlough . it funded lockdown. it furlough. it funded lockdown. it mais— furlough. it funded lockdown. it made anab— furlough. it funded lockdown. it made that ridiculous policy, in my view— made that ridiculous policy, in my .— made that ridiculous policy, in my view , possible. and the post

my view, possible. and the post covio— my view, possible. and the post covib oi— my view, possible. and the post covm qe nigel— my view, possible. and the post covid qe nigel and this is vnar-s— covid qe nigel and this is what's barely— covid qe nigel and this is what's barely acknowledged. i've mais— what's barely acknowledged. i've made mis— what's barely acknowledged. i've made this point— what's barely acknowledged. i've made this point many columns bariiamenrarv— made this point many columns parliamentary select committees bssa— parliamentary select committees bssr covib. — parliamentary select committees bssr covib. oi— parliamentary select committees post covm. qe is— parliamentary select committees post covid. qe is more inflationary— post covid. qe is more inflationary because the pre covio— inflationary because the pre covib oi— inflationary because the pre covid qe stayed inside the iinaneiai— covid qe stayed inside the financial system. it went back to financial system. it went back as me— financial system. it went back to the central— financial system. it went back to the central bank as the reserve— to the central bank as the eserve si— to the central bank as the reserve of the— to the central bank as the reserve of the banks that had ssii— reserve of the banks that had ssii me— reserve of the banks that had sold the gilts_ reserve of the banks that had sold the gilts to— reserve of the banks that had sold the gilts to the central bank. — sold the gilts to the central bank. ibis— sold the gilts to the central bank. this was— sold the gilts to the central bank. this was different. yeah, nasa— bank. this was different. yeah, brasb me— bank. this was different. yeah, brasb i— bank. this was different. yeah, trust me, i know— bank. this was different. yeah, trust me, i know you get this momm— trust me, i know you get this msaan. n-s— trust me, i know you get this though. it's complicated, but ano— though. it's complicated, but viewers and listeners should anisrsbani— viewers and listeners should understand that. post covid qe creates— understand that. post covid qe created by— understand that. post covid qe created by me— understand that. post covid qe created by the bank of england was created by the bank of england baio— created by the bank of england was paid directly— created by the bank of england was paid directly to firms in obi— was paid directly to firms in ebii isans— was paid directly to firms in cbil loans and— was paid directly to firms in cbil loans and covid recovery isans— cbil loans and covid recovery isans ani— cbil loans and covid recovery isans and as— cbil loans and covid recovery loans and to households in iarisasn— loans and to households in rarisagn oi— loans and to households in furlough qe funded furlough qe nanose— furlough qe funded furlough qe baniei mose— furlough qe funded furlough qe funded those loans, many of anion— funded those loans, many of anion sr— funded those loans, many of which of course— funded those loans, many of which of course haven't been eesvereo ss— which of course haven't been recovered. so government policy vim— recovered. so government policy vim me— recovered. so government policy win one bank— recovered. so government policy with the bank of— recovered. so government policy with the bank of england has aasei— with the bank of england has aasei mis— with the bank of england has caused this problem. "rzrrz; caused this problem. there's no doubt— caused this problem. there's no doubt in— caused this problem. there's no doubt in my mind about that, nor in yours. and yet the labour party don't even challenge them on it. almost no mainstream bsiirieian— on it. almost no mainstream politician talks— l almost no mainstream politician talks about qe, one mar— politician talks about qe, one bar in,— politician talks about qe, one bat an, as— politician talks about qe, one that did, to her— politician talks about qe, one that did, to her credit , she that did, to her credit, she biann— that did, to her credit, she iiinb aer— that did, to her credit, she didn't get much right was ineresa— didn't get much right was theresa may.— didn't get much right was theresa may. she talked a bit

aboar— theresa may. she talked a bit absaa oi— theresa may. she talked a bit absaa or in— theresa may. she talked a bit about qe in one— theresa may. she talked a bit about qe in one speech that she gave,— about qe in one speech that she saver ani— about qe in one speech that she gave, and sne— about qe in one speech that she gave, and she was— about qe in one speech that she gave, and she was the bank of insiano— gave, and she was the bank of england ano— gave, and she was the bank of england and economics policy england and the economics policy establishment. _ england and the economics policy establishment. came down on establishment. they came down on her establishment. they came down on nor-a— establishment. they came down on ner-a tonne— establishment. they came down on ner-a tonne of— establishment. they came down on her a tonne of bricks. her like a tonne of bricks. visib— her like a tonne of bricks. was i— her like a tonne of bricks. well, i knew— her like a tonne of bricks. well, i knew she- her like a tonne of bricks. well, i knew she must- her like a tonne of bricks. well, i knew she must have got something right. liam, there's no prospect this ending soon, no prospect of this ending soon, is well it will get worse is there? well it will get worse before gets better, in before it gets better, both in terms interest rates and terms of interest rates and mortgage pain. but look , i don't mortgage pain. but look, i don't vam— mortgage pain. but look, i don't vanblbe— mortgage pain. but look, i don't want-be completely- 33 " but look, i don't want be completely alarmist want to be completely alarmist bsrs.— want to be completely alarmist more. i— want to be completely alarmist more. i ism-r— want to be completely alarmist here. i don't think— want to be completely alarmist here. i don't think the banks ano— here. i don't think the banks and-building— here. i don't think the banks and building societies are and the building societies are going— and the building societies are goinglgo_ and the building societies are dongles-inas- going to go quickly into repossession— going to go quickly into repossession mode. this mortgage sain— repossession mode. this mortgage bain-esmainei— repossession mode. this mortgage pain-contained and- pain will be contained and many— pain will be contained and mainiv rs,— pain will be contained and mainly to, i'm— pain will be contained and mainly to, i'm afraid, people in moir— mainly to, i'm afraid, people in meir oos— mainly to, i'm afraid, people in their 30s and— mainly to, i'm afraid, people in their 30s and 40s— mainly to, i'm afraid, people in their 30s and 40s who have got high— their 30s and 40s who have got high msngaae— their 30s and 40s who have got high mortgage costs. and i do mink— high mortgage costs. and i do mink me— high mortgage costs. and i do think the banks— high mortgage costs. and i do think the banks and the building societies— think the banks and the building societies will— think the banks and the building societies will make easy for societies will make it easy for besbie— societies will make it easy for besbie enemi— societies will make it easy for people extend ending mortgage iararisns— people extend ending mortgage durations-loans— people extend ending mortgage durations-loans ,- people extend ending mortgage durations loans , moving durations and loans, moving besbie— durations and loans, moving people seamlessly from repayment msnaaees— people seamlessly from repayment msneaaes smas— people seamlessly from repayment mortgages onto interest only msnaaees— mortgages onto interest only msneaaes rsr— mortgages onto interest only msneaaes rsr a— mortgages onto interest only mortgages for a while in order to keep— mortgages for a while in order as beeb mess— mortgages for a while in order to keep these increases in msmniv— to keep these increases in monthly mortgage payments as low as mov— monthly mortgage payments as low as be bsssibiv— monthly mortgage payments as low as they possibly can— monthly mortgage payments as low as they possibly can be. but iiam— as they possibly can be. but liam halligan— as they possibly can be. but liam halligan says it'll get worse before it gets better. thank you for joining worse before it gets better. thank you forjoining me. see thank you for joining me. see you in barnsley tomorrow evening. now, what does all this

mean for you? is there is there a mortgage bomb coming for people? well, one of the points that liam touched on there is lots of people who've had fixed term mortgages at very, very low rates over the course of the next year or so. those deals come to an end. they've got to get new mortgage rates. it's going to be very, very tough indeed. going to be very, very tough indeed . it's one of those indeed. it's one of those situations for savers. of course, this is quite good and savers have had a miserable time. eddie trowel is chairman of disruptive capital finance . of disruptive capital finance. us . a mortgage. a mortgage us eddie. a mortgage. a mortgage bomb. how how bad is it going to be for people? i think it's going to be exacerbated. i mean, we've all noticed interest- grin g i mean, we've all noticed interest rates are we've all noticed interest rates asine— we've all noticed interest rates going ab.— we've all noticed interest rates are going up. they've got to go up are going up. they've got to go as as— are going up. they've got to go as as av— are going up. they've got to go as as my ano— are going up. they've got to go up to try and keep— are going up. they've got to go up to try and keep inflation osvn— up to try and keep inflation down, though. _ up to try and keep inflation down, though. i— up to try and keep inflation down, though. i looked at the brevisas— down, though. i looked at the previous piece.— down, though. i looked at the previous piece. absolutely nann— previous piece. absolutely riann—iisnevl right. the magic money tree brimme— right. the magic money tree printing quantitative easing printing of quantitative easing iarine. — printing of quantitative easing during- lvsa— printing of quantitative easing during. printing of quantitative easing- during. .you remember motty in during. do you remember motty in monetary this is what monetary theory, this is what they were all talking about. yeah, i'm afraid to say yeah, well, i'm afraid to say i still remember congdon. i still remember tim congdon. i think he's the old think he's great. the old fashioned— think he's great. the old- fashioned—monetary fashioned thatcherite monetary economics for— fashioned thatcherite monetary economics for me— fashioned thatcherite monetary economics for me are right.

bean. — economics for me are right. bean. bar— economics for me are right. bean. bar a— economics for me are right. yeah. but if we— economics for me are right. yeah. but if we think about msnaaaes.— yeah. but if we think about msnaaaes-si- yeah. but if we think about mortgages. of course mortgages. yep of course interest— mortgages. yep of course interest rates— mortgages. yep of course interest rates go up. mortgage rates— interest rates go up. mortgage rates 90— interest rates go up. mortgage rares 90 as.— interest rates go up. mortgage rares 90 as bar— interest rates go up. mortgage rates go up. but the bank of ineiani— rates go up. but the bank of inaiani rs— rates go up. but the bank of england as my— rates go up. but the bank of england to my is england to my mind, is exacerbating- england to my mind, is exacerbating problem exacerbating that problem bease— exacerbating that problem because - are - exacerbating that problem because-are at- exacerbating that problem because are at the same because they are at the same bime— because they are at the same time increasing— because they are at the same time increasing the amount of sabirai— time increasing the amount of eabirai me— time increasing the amount of capital the banks— time increasing the amount of capital the banks have to hold against— capital the banks have to hold against mortgages. now that in iavman-s— against mortgages. now that in iavman-s terms— against mortgages. now that in layman's terms means it becomes more expensive for— layman's terms means it becomes more expensive for a— layman's terms means it becomes more expensive for a bank to give— more expensive for a bank to give vsa— more expensive for a bank to give vsa a— more expensive for a bank to give you a mortgage and merebsre— give you a mortgage and therefore the— give you a mortgage and therefore the rate they offer to therefore the rate they offer to the consumer— therefore the rate they offer to the consumer becomes less ssmberirive. — the consumer becomes less competitive. scarcely so the competitive. exactly. so the banks— competitive. exactly. so the banbsnave— competitive. exactly. so the banks have got— competitive. exactly. so the banks have got to— competitive. scarcely so the banks have got to put more money aside— banks have got to put more money aside as— banks have got to put more money aside as bar— banks have got to put more money aside to put mortgages out mere.— aside to put mortgages out more its— aside to put mortgages out there. it's particularly the in bav— there. it's particularly the case in buy to— there. it's particularly the case in buy to let the amount mar— case in buy to let the amount mar me— case in buy to let the amount that the banks— case in buy to let the amount that the banks have got to put mere— that the banks have got to put mere is— that the banks have got to put mere is gsing— that the banks have got to put there is going through the roof. ano— there is going through the roof. and so— there is going through the roof. and so anar— there is going through the roof. and so that then— there is going through the roof. and so that then becomes a dumas sbirai— and so that then becomes a dumas sbirai in— and so that then becomes a dumas sbirai in my— and so that then becomes a dumas spiral in my opinion,— and so that then becomes a dumas spiral in my opinion, because isos— spiral in my opinion, because isrs ani— spiral in my opinion, because isrs ans-sr— spiral in my opinion, because lots and of people cannot lots and lots of people cannot amoro— lots and lots of people cannot afford aneir— lots and lots of people cannot afford their mortgage, will not be abbe— afford their mortgage, will not be able-their- be able to afford their msngage,— be able to afford their mortgage, particularly when men— mortgage, particularly when. bneir—bnen their fixes come off, and then mov— their fixes come off, and then mev-rs— their fixes come off, and then mev-rs seii— their fixes come off, and then they to sell house, they have to sell their house, men— they have to sell their house, men-goes- they have to sell their house, then - goes down - they have to sell their house, then goes down and then the price goes down and men— then the price goes down and men-me- then the price goes down and then-the whole- then the price goes down and then the whole thing then the whole the whole thing goes—sav- — then the whole the whole thing goes—sav- - then the whole the whole thing goes—day. question goes into a bad day. question for vog— goes into a bad day. question for you, eddie, you've been in and around quite and around government quite a bit for the last few years. neverin bit for the last few years. never in no, but you've been like never in no, but you've like you never in no, but you've

been you've been been close and you've been advising. one of points advising. yes. one of the points about came to about brexit, when it came to for money financial markets, the bank of england, is that freed from the european union, we were going to become more competitive. you're saying competitive. what you're saying is the bank of england has actually mortgage actually made our mortgage market competitive . motty market less competitive. motty exactly . it's possibly exactly why. it's possibly a scared reaction to problems like credit suisse, now credit suisse ticked all the boxes , but it ticked all the boxes, but it still had that loss of confidence and went bust . on the confidence and went bust. on the one hand. secondly,— confidence and went bust. on the one hand. secondly, what- {m :f an: on the one hand. secondly, what i'm sayings— one hand. secondly, what i'm savings n— one hand. secondly, what i'm savings if i— one hand. secondly, what i'm savings is i san— one hand. secondly, what i'm saying, if i can perhaps move on to saying, if i can perhaps move on as breve.— saying, if i can perhaps move on to brexit. yeah— saying, if i can perhaps move on to brexit. yeah brexit for the eu to brexit. yeah brexit for the so in— to brexit. yeah brexit for the eu in financial— to brexit. yeah brexit for the eu in financial services and we bsn-b— eu in financial services and we bsn-b rain— eu in financial services and we don't talk about— eu in financial services and we don't talk about financial services— don't talk about financial services very— don't talk about financial services very much. �*fvi�*rzi; services very much. we talk despise— services very much. we talk despite the fact it's our biggest industry, right? so the trade surplus, if i can- 33 : ” q7 so the trade surplus, if i can call it mas— trade surplus, if i can call it mas bsr— trade surplus, if i can call it that, for financial services , that, for financial services, nas— that, for financial services, nas gone— that, for financial services, nas gsne ab— that, for financial services, has gone up from $70 billion pre brevit— has gone up from $70 billion pre brevir bs— has gone up from $70 billion pre brevir as ovi— has gone up from $70 billion pre brexit to $77 billion. so it's gone— brexit to $77 billion. so it's gsne ab— brexit to $77 billion. so it's gsne as o — brexit to $77 billion. so it's gone up 10. jolly good. it's

massive live _ gone up 10. jolly good. it's massive live export earnings. bosons— massive live export earnings. ossbibs abi— massive live export earnings. despite all the— massive live export earnings. despite all the scare- massive live export earnings. despite all the scare stories that we heard. absolutely. now, neres— that we heard. absolutely. now, neres abi— that we heard. absolutely. now, where's all that— that we heard. absolutely. now, where's all that growth- : absolutely. now, where's all that growth come from,— where's all that growth come from, however,— where's all that growth come from, however, is— where's all that growth come from, however, is from singapore and switzerland— from, however, is from singapore and switzerland and the us and aasrraiia— and switzerland and the us and australia trading— and switzerland and the us and australia trading with non—eu samnes— australia trading with non—eu countries and— australia trading with non—eu countries and the financial services— countries and the financial services trade— countries and the financial services trade with the eu has gone— services trade with the eu has gsne osvn — services trade with the eu has gsne ssvn ani— services trade with the eu has gone down and it's been lose boss.— gone down and it's been lose isse. ss— gone down and it's been lose isse. so me— gone down and it's been lose lose. so the eu— gone down and it's been lose lose. so the eu has lost out on iinaneiai— lose. so the eu has lost out on financial services— lose. so the eu has lost out on financial services trading with the financial services trading with bne on— financial services trading with one on ani— financial services trading with the uk and the— financial services trading with the uk and the uk has lost out on binaneiai— the uk and the uk has lost out on financial services, trading vim— on financial services, trading vim ane— on financial services, trading win one so.— on financial services, trading with the eu. at— on financial services, trading with the eu. at the same time as nas— with the eu. at the same time as nas beneiibei— with the eu. at the same time as has benefited from _ with the eu. at the same time as has benefited from trading with everybody— has benefited from trading with evervbssv eise. — has benefited from trading with everybody else. but generally the everybody else. but generally one iniasrrv— everybody else. but generally the industry is— everybody else. but generally the industry is relatively neabnv. — the industry is relatively healthy. as— the industry is relatively healthy. e : healthy. as you say, it's done better than all the scaremongering has said. but it just strikes me that the bank of panicked might have made things more had the more difficult when we had the when actually had freedom when actually we had the freedom to the opposite . when you to do the opposite. when you look at it, it's all the rules. it's those eu imposed look at it, it's all the rules. . it's-those eu imposed rules. it's all those eu imposed rules. sorry—ir— it's all those eu imposed rules. sorry—it almost- sorry that make it almost imbsssibie— sorry that make it almost impossible to— sorry that make it almost impossible to apply for a msngage. — impossible to apply for a mortgage. mean, i'm not mortgage. i mean, i'm not binansiaiiv— mortgage. i mean, i'm not financially unsophisticated, but you financially unsophisticated, but vsa insa— financially unsophisticated, but vsa know, a— financially unsophisticated, but you know, it was— financially unsophisticated, but you know, it was doing an a—ievei— you know, it was doing an b—ievei rs—

you know, it was doing an a—level to get— you know, it was doing an a—level to get a mortgage. 5g a—level to get a mortgage. big picture.— a—level to get a mortgage. big biesars. bov— a—level to get a mortgage. big picture. now we've— a—level to get a mortgage. big picture. now we've got inflation running . at 8.7% and growth. running. at 8.7% and growth. i mean, all right. the euro zone is in recession. we're not in recession. and that perhaps explains why there inflation figure is a bit lower. they also don't have green taxes quite as high as we do, which does make quite a bit of difference . but quite a bit of difference. but economic this country economic growth in this country is pretty bouncing along is pretty much bouncing along the zero. back in the the bottom of zero. back in the 70s, this was called stagflation . is that where we are? it is indeed. and part of that, again , nas— indeed. and part of that, again , nas been— indeed. and part of that, again , nas been me— indeed. and part of that, again , has been the sorry— 3: and part of that, again , has been the sorry to talk aboar— , has been the sorry to talk about pensions— , has been the sorry to talk about pensions for a second, but ane— about pensions for a second, but one basa— about pensions for a second, but over the last 15— about pensions for a second, but over the last 15 years, british bensisn— over the last 15 years, british pension funds,— over the last 15 years, british pension funds, which used to be great— pension funds, which used to be grear sabbsners— pension funds, which used to be great supporters of british iniasbrv— great supporters of british industry, used— great supporters of british industry, used to own a lot of sanres— industry, used to own a lot of sanres in— industry, used to own a lot of shares in britain— industry, used to own a lot of shares in britain have been foresi— shares in britain have been forces by— shares in britain have been forced by regulation and by miss— forced by regulation and by raies bs— forced by regulation and by rules to sell— forced by regulation and by rules to sell their equities and buy— rules to sell their equities and bay gins— rules to sell their equities and bay gibs .— rules to sell their equities and bay giirs , ani— rules to sell their equities and buy gilts , and they were forced buy gilts, and they were forced to bav— buy gilts, and they were forced rs bav gins— buy gilts, and they were forced to buy gilts when— buy gilts, and they were forced to buy gilts when the rate of interest— to buy gilts when the rate of interest vsa— to buy gilts when the rate of interest you could get on the git— interest you could get on the giit vas— interest you could get on the gilt was virtually— interest you could get on the gilt was virtually zero, was negative— gilt was virtually zero, was negative after— gilt was virtually zero, was negative after inflation, and tnev— negative after inflation, and be bat— negative after inflation, and they put money, after money attor— they put money, after money atter msnev— they put money, after money after money and— they put money, after money after money and then it all came

nome— after money and then it all came moms to— after money and then it all came moms to roost— after money and then it all came home to roost. they— after money and then it all came home to roost. they . lost £550 home to roost. they. lost £550 biiiisn— home to roost. they. lost £550 biiiisn in— home to roost. they. lost £550 billion in september , october billion in september, october tast— billion in september, october iast vear— billion in september, october iast vear .— billion in september, october last year . and— billion in september, october last year . and that is money last year. and that is money tnat— last year. and that is money tnat esaii— last year. and that is money that could have— last year. and that is money that could have been put to good vort— that could have been put to good work by— that could have been put to good work by tbs— that could have been put to good work by the companies that sbsnssrei— work by the companies that sponsored the— work by the companies that sponsored the pension funds to invest— sponsored the pension funds to invest into— sponsored the pension funds to invest into the— sponsored the pension funds to invest into the next generation of invest into the next generation st msiaiar— invest into the next generation of modular reactors or jet engines— of modular reactors or jet engines or— of modular reactors or jet engines or software or whatever the engines or software or whatever tne neit— engines or software or whatever tne bet it— engines or software or whatever the hell it was,— engines or software or whatever the hell it was, and instead was put the hell it was, and instead was bat into— the hell it was, and instead was bat into a— the hell it was, and instead was bat ints a nigniv— the hell it was, and instead was put into a highly unproductive of put into a highly unproductive st git— put into a highly unproductive st giit sages— put into a highly unproductive of gilt edged investment. put into a highly unproductive of gilt edged investment . and so of gilt edged investment. and so if of gilt edged investment. and so it ve— of gilt edged investment. and so it we san— of gilt edged investment. and so if we can reform _ of gilt edged investment. and so if we can reform the way that tbs— if we can reform the way that me bensisn— if we can reform the way that the pension funds work and put money— the pension funds work and put msnev ts— the pension funds work and put msnev ts vort— the pension funds work and put money to work into productive assets— money to work into productive assets .— money to work into productive assets , equities,— money to work into productive assets , equities, private equity assets, equities, private equity infrastructure _ assets, equities, private equity infrastructure and so on, then we can actually— infrastructure and so on, then we can actually reverse that grsvtn— we can actually reverse that grsvtn svsie. — we can actually reverse that growth cycle. but that's all well and good. eddie. that's all well and good. eddie. that's all well and good. eddie. that's all well and good, but we've had 13 years of conservative government. yep. the brexit vote was seven years ago tomorrow . was seven years ago tomorrow. yeah. and frankly, what you're saying is they've they and the bank of england have mismanaged the whole of this , i mean, the whole of this, i mean, really badly. yes. there's been a misplaced, in my view, a

misplaced view risk and misplaced view of risk and a misplaced view of risk and a misplaced view of reward. so you think, oh , gilt is safe.— misplaced view of reward. so you think, oh , gilt is safe. a- . so you think, oh , gilt is safe. a gilt think, oh, gilt is safe. a gilt is never safe.— think, oh, gilt is safe. a gilt is never safe. if— think, oh, gilt is safe. a gilt is never safe. if the market has been— is never safe. if the market has been rigged— is never safe. if the market has been rigges bv— is never safe. if the market has been rigged by the central banks and been rigged by the central banks ano ss— been rigged by the central banks and ss besbie— been rigged by the central banks and so people were lured into a st— and so people were lured into a sense of false— and so people were lured into a sense of false security to invest— sense of false security to invest into _ sense of false security to invest into safe- sense of false security to invest into safe investments tnat— invest into safe investments tnat nave— invest into safe investments that have turned out to be anvtning— that have turned out to be anvtning bat— that have turned out to be anything but safe . final thought anything but safe. final thought . viii— anything but safe. final thought . viiii tisbi— anything but safe. final thought . will rishi meet— anything but safe. final thought . will rishi meet his- anything but safe. final thought . will rishi meet his inflation target for the end of the year , target for the end of the year, halving inflation? is that the theory? halving inflation? is that the tnesrve bean.— halving inflation? is that the theory? yeah. and— g 7 is that the theory? yeah. and what numbers ases— theory? yeah. and what numbers sses tnat— theory? yeah. and what numbers sses tnat give— theory? yeah. and what numbers does that give us? will e does that give us? well, it vsait— does that give us? well, it would take us down to about 3% from when he made the pledge. that's quite hard work. i love it. eddie thrall, thank you very much and there are, much indeed. and there we are, folks, you know, i think you've learned learned learned i hope you've learned over the last over the course of the last quarter an hour or so, just quarter of an hour or so, just how badly mismanaged the economy has and this under has been. and this under supposedly a free market conservative government. i have no doubt labour will be even worse. in a moment, let's catch up with what is happening across the sea . the submarine that went

the sea. the submarine that went down with five people on it, three of them from the uk, they went down to have a look at the titanic. there was a press conference not long ago. we'll get the up to date news. we heard this morning. that sounds had heard. give you had been heard. will give you the this dramatic the latest on this dramatic situation where we're told that the people on board have less than 24 hours oxygen left

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gb news radio. well, some of your reactions to my question, has the bank of england blown it ? nick says, yes, they printed money during a lockdown and haven't increased interest rates high enough to get on top of the problem at the beginning ? i problem at the beginning? i suspect rishi will likely increase taxes next and make the cost of living worse. well, the b of should have been b of a should have been increasing earlier , but increasing rates earlier, but they didn't do it. you know why they didn't do it. you know why they inflation coming they didn't see inflation coming . and as for rishi, raising taxes, well , that be quite taxes, well, that would be quite dangerous, think ahead of dangerous, i think ahead of an election year. and oliver election next year. and oliver says everything. says they've blown everything. nige the imf. well, nige including the imf. well, you've got to ask , is which you've got to ask, is which government or group of individuals are responsible? well, oliver, i think we debated that in the first segment. we've decided pretty much whole of decided pretty much the whole of government bank government and the bank of england got wrong. england have got things wrong. now, the we heard this now, the news we heard this morning huge search and morning is this huge search and rescue operation that is going on around the wreck of the titanic. sounds had been heard this morning. titanic. sounds had been heard this morning . at the moment, the this morning. at the moment, the expedition is being led by

americans, by canadians. it's based in newfoundland. and there were some french people working on the rescue as well . british on the rescue as well. british help, for some reason was rejected. we understand said that the sub would run out of oxygen at some point tomorrow. we're joining me perhaps to try and find out what really is going on is brent sadler, senior research for naval research fellow for naval warfare at the heritage foundation . brent, do we take foundation. brent, do we take the news that sounds were heard tapping sounds were heard this morning. do we believe that to be true . for this? and until be true. for this? and until tnere-s— be true. for this? and until tnere-s a— be true. for this? and until there's a visual— 57 and until there's a visual correlation vitn— there's a visual correlation vitn tne — there's a visual correlation with the sounds and the actual sabmergei— with the sounds and the actual submerged able,— with the sounds and the actual submerged able, i would be very saatisas— submerged able, i would be very cautious about— submerged able, i would be very cautious about saying that it is most— cautious about saying that it is most tnat— cautious about saying that it is brsst tnat tnev— cautious about saying that it is proof that they found or that the proof that they found or that be re— proof that they found or that me is— proof that they found or that the crew is still— proof that they found or that the crew is still alive. of course , the _ the crew is still alive. of course , the search must continue course, the search must continue ani— course, the search must continue and nai— course, the search must continue and we've had false— course, the search must continue and we've had false positive in the and we've had false positive in tbe bast— and we've had false positive in tbe bast. iisst— and we've had false positive in the past. most recently the seam— the past. most recently the seasn tor— the past. most recently the search for the _ the past. most recently the search for the malaysian airsratt— search for the malaysian aircraft that _ search for the malaysian aircraft that was lost over the instan— aircraft that was lost over the indian ocean. _ aircraft that was lost over the

indian ocean. “4115 " indian ocean. yes, i mean, that's right . it it's very, very that's right. it it's very, very tough to tell . but, brent, what tough to tell. but, brent, what we do know is the oxygen runs out tomorrow. so time is now incredibly short. and listening to some of the words of that press conferee s the suggestion was that if this sub you know, wasn't anchored, wasn't attached , wasn't stuck to anything, that ocean currents could have taken it a very long way away . no, it a very long way away. no, that's a very real e izrr: no, that's a very real possibility. ine— that's a very real possibility. ins tast— that's a very real possibility. the fact that— that's a very real possibility. the fact that this was it's ssaniing— the fact that this was it's sounding like— the fact that this was it's sounding like this was untethered. - sounding like this was untethered. it's very likely tnat— untethered. it's very likely tnat its— untethered. it's very likely that its ability— untethered. it's very likely that its ability to move at absat— that its ability to move at about three _ that its ability to move at about three knots is not enough to tignt— about three knots is not enough ts tignt against— about three knots is not enough to fight against the currents. ano— to fight against the currents. and it— to fight against the currents. and it it— to fight against the currents. and if it lost— to fight against the currents. and if it lost propulsion, it some— and if it lost propulsion, it ssaii nave— and if it lost propulsion, it could have been pushed a very signitisant— could have been pushed a very significant distance away from vnere— significant distance away from vnere it— significant distance away from where it where _ significant distance away from where it where it— significant distance away from where it where it submerged . and where it where it submerged. and the where it where it submerged. and be searsn — where it where it submerged. and the search. however, the search is pretty— the search. however, the search area is pretty significant and mess— area is pretty significant and there's probably— area is pretty significant and there's probably more false ostestisns— there's probably more false detections we're going to have in tbs— detections we're going to have in me next— detections we're going to have in the next few— detections we're going to have in the next few days. but until tnev— in the next few days. but until tnev get— in the next few days. but until they get submersibles or unmanned underwater vehicles vitn— unmanned underwater vehicles vitn sameras— unmanned underwater vehicles with cameras and— unmanned underwater vehicles with cameras and with high ressiatisn— with cameras and with high resolution sonar, it's going to be verv— resolution sonar, it's going to

be very difficult— resolution sonar, it's going to be very difficult to locate it. of be very difficult to locate it. ot ssarse— be very difficult to locate it. of course, the _ be very difficult to locate it. of course, the other possibility is its— of course, the other possibility is its stast— of course, the other possibility is it's stuck in— of course, the other possibility is it's stuck in the— of course, the other possibility is it's stuck in the wreckage itseit— is it's stuck in the wreckage itseit st— is it's stuck in the wreckage itself of the _ is it's stuck in the wreckage itself of the titanic . and if it itself of the titanic. and if it ts— itself of the titanic. and if it to be— itself of the titanic. and if it was to be stuck— itself of the titanic. and if it was to be stuck in the wreck and i was to be stuck in the wreck and i know— was to be stuck in the wreck and i know more— was to be stuck in the wreck and i know there was— was to be stuck in the wreck and i know there was a— was to be stuck in the wreck and i know there was a previous sabeiitisn— i know there was a previous expedition that— i know there was a previous expedition that did get entangiei— expedition that did get entangled briefly with the old brsbeiier— entangled briefly with the old brsbeiier st— entangled briefly with the old propeller of the— entangled briefly with the old propeller of the titanic , would propeller of the titanic, would more— propeller of the titanic, would more be — propeller of the titanic, would more be anv— propeller of the titanic, would there be any equipment that some— there be any equipment that could physically go and help to tree— could physically go and help to tree it— could physically go and help to tree it witn— could physically go and help to free it with the _ could physically go and help to free it with the time that's at nano— free it with the time that's at bani e— free it with the time that's at bani e its— free it with the time that's at bani e as a— free it with the time that's at hand ? it's a it— free it with the time that's at hand ? it's a it would be a very hand? it's a it would be a very targe— hand? it's a it would be a very iarge sait— hand? it's a it would be a very iarge saii ts— hand? it's a it would be a very large call to make— hand? it's a it would be a very large call to make and probably not me— large call to make and probably not one probably— large call to make and probably not one probably one beyond the sababie— not one probably one beyond the saiabie ianies— not one probably one beyond the capable parties that are at hand . ani— capable parties that are at hand . ani betsre— capable parties that are at hand . and before the— capable parties that are at hand . and before the crew runs out of . and before the crew runs out st svvgen— . and before the crew runs out st svvgen .— . and before the crew runs out st svvgen . inat— . and before the crew runs out of oxygen . that being said , if of oxygen. that being said, if tbev— of oxygen. that being said, if tbev ssaii— of oxygen. that being said, if tbev ssaii get— of oxygen. that being said, if they could get something down more— they could get something down tbere ani— they could get something down there and attach— they could get something down there and attach a cable, for evamoie— there and attach a cable, for evamiie, tbev— there and attach a cable, for example, they could try and pull it tree— example, they could try and pull it tree ani— example, they could try and pull it tree ani get— example, they could try and pull it free and get it— example, they could try and pull it free and get it to— example, they could try and pull it free and get it to the surface. there- it free and get it to the surface. there is risk in that, of course, but— surface. there is risk in that, of course, but with the time tbat-s— of course, but with the time tbat-s bets— of course, but with the time that's left, there's an urgency at bani. — that's left, there's an urgency at bani. ani— that's left, there's an urgency at hand. and i'd— that's left, there's an urgency at hand. and i'd also say that tbsagb— at hand. and i'd also say that even though 96— at hand. and i'd also say that even though 96 hours is the nominat— even though 96 hours is the nominal breathing or the endurance of— nominal breathing or the endurance of this vessel, if the tbev— endurance of this vessel, if the crew once they were realised tbev— crew once they were realised tbev — crew once they were realised tbev in— crew once they were realised tbev in a— crew once they were realised they were in a problem , they

they were in a problem, they took— they were in a problem, they took actions— they were in a problem, they took actions to _ they were in a problem, they took actions to minimise the use of took actions to minimise the use st tbs— took actions to minimise the use st tbe svvgen— took actions to minimise the use st tbe svvgen ts— took actions to minimise the use of the oxygen to put people to steep— of the oxygen to put people to steep ani— of the oxygen to put people to sleep and take— of the oxygen to put people to sleep and take rest and not exert,— sleep and take rest and not exert, mate— sleep and take rest and not exert, make a— sleep and take rest and not exert, make a lot of exertions. they— exert, make a lot of exertions. ibev migbt— exert, make a lot of exertions. ibev migbt ete— exert, make a lot of exertions. they might eke out a dozen or so boars— they might eke out a dozen or so hours more, so there's still time,— hours more, so there's still time, bat— hours more, so there's still time, but it's— hours more, so there's still time, but it's not a commodity tbat-s— time, but it's not a commodity that's enriched— time, but it's not a commodity that's enriched supply . \r:::r that's enriched supply. no, abssiatsiv. — that's enriched supply. no, absolutely. brent- that's enriched supply. no, absolutely. brent thank you very much indeed for your thoughts on this this evening. i'll now go to you robert pezzini, former us navy officer, special operations . and, you know, in involved with deep sea diving and all the rest of it. bob it seems to me that we have a vessel that's gone to do this and high paying customers , but if it's stuck, customers, but if it's stuck, there's almost no way of freeing them . well good evening, nigel, them. well good evening, nigel, and thank you for having me on. stuck is one potential issue . stuck is one potential issue. iast— stuck is one potential issue. iast st— stuck is one potential issue. lack of communications is sieariv— lack of communications is sieariv an— lack of communications is clearly an issue. lack of irsiaisisn— clearly an issue. lack of propulsion is— clearly an issue. lack of propulsion is probably an issue.

iast— propulsion is probably an issue. iast st— propulsion is probably an issue. lack of navigation— propulsion is probably an issue. lack of navigation is probably an ss— lack of navigation is probably an issue. so you— lack of navigation is probably an issue. so you know, there's all an issue. so you know, there's at tbese— an issue. so you know, there's all these and— an issue. so you know, there's all these and then— an issue. so you know, there's all these and then life support, you— all these and then life support, vsa tbsa— all these and then life support, vsa know, its— all these and then life support, you know, life support may or may— you know, life support may or may not— you know, life support may or may nst stit— you know, life support may or may not still be— you know, life support may or may not still be operational . so may not still be operational. so vben— may not still be operational. so vben vsa— may not still be operational. so vben vsa isot— may not still be operational. so when you look at— may not still be operational. so when you look at all these tastsrs— when you look at all these factors together, i would say tbs— factors together, i would say tbe satisst— factors together, i would say the outlook is— factors together, i would say the outlook is dire at this point.— the outlook is dire at this isint. ibere— the outlook is dire at this point. there is- the outlook is dire at this point. there is a possibility it some— point. there is a possibility it ssaii be— point. there is a possibility it ssaii be on— point. there is a possibility it could be on or— point. there is a possibility it could be on or around the site of could be on or around the site st tbs— could be on or around the site of the debris— could be on or around the site of the debris field— could be on or around the site of the debris field of the titans.— of the debris field of the titanic. but— of the debris field of the titanic. but but when you use astive— titanic. but but when you use sonar active and— titanic. but but when you use sonar active and passive sonar, tbere-s— sonar active and passive sonar, tbere-s an— sonar active and passive sonar, there's an active— sonar active and passive sonar, there's an active sonar in rabisaiar— there's an active sonar in particular, there's a lot of debris— particular, there's a lot of debris that— particular, there's a lot of debris that could be confused for debris that could be confused tsr tbs— debris that could be confused for the vessel— debris that could be confused for the vessel if— debris that could be confused for the vessel if it is indeed on for the vessel if it is indeed sn tbs— for the vessel if it is indeed on the wreck— for the vessel if it is indeed on the wreck site. “in?“ e on the wreck site. yeah, it ases.— on the wreck site. yeah, it ases. i— on the wreck site. yeah, it does. i have to say, all look pretty grim. it would be a real miracle if there was a happy ending to this. miracle if there was a happy ending to this . from ending to this. from a professional viewpoint . but our professional viewpoint. but our trips like this wise , or are trips like this wise, or are they really quite foolhardy ? they really quite foolhardy? well i would say that, you know, the world needs adventure seeker

needs, risk takers . yeah, that's needs, risk takers. yeah, that's how needs, risk takers. yeah, that's bsv ve— needs, risk takers. yeah, that's how we advance _ : ” yeah, that's how we advance technologically and economically— how we advance technologically and economically ,_ how we advance technologically and economically , educationally, and economically, educationally, ets— and economically, educationally, ets. ira— and economically, educationally, ets. ira ss— and economically, educationally, ets. ira ss .— and economically, educationally, ets. ira ss , vsa— and economically, educationally, etc. ira so , you know, i think etc. ira so, you know, i think tbat— etc. ira so, you know, i think tbat evervbsiv— etc. ira so, you know, i think that everybody on this on this vsvage— that everybody on this on this vsvage .— that everybody on this on this vsvage , it— that everybody on this on this vsvage , it vsa— that everybody on this on this voyage , if you will, they were voyage, if you will, they were taiiv— voyage, if you will, they were taiiv — voyage, if you will, they were fully aware of— voyage, if you will, they were fully aware of the risks and, ani— fully aware of the risks and, mi i— fully aware of the risks and, mi i ism-t— fully aware of the risks and, and i don't want— fully aware of the risks and, and i don't want to judge the, na— and i don't want to judge the, tbs, vsa— and i don't want to judge the, be vsa tbsa— and i don't want to judge the, the, you know, the validity of ms— the, you know, the validity of this particular— the, you know, the validity of this particular mission. i don't know— this particular mission. i don't know tbs— this particular mission. i don't know the equipment in partisaiar. — know the equipment in particular. what i do know from the particular. what i do know from tbe press— particular. what i do know from the press reports— particular. what i do know from the press reports is that some verv— the press reports is that some very prestigisas— the press reports is that some very prestigious, highly eiasatei— very prestigious, highly educated and highly experienced pesos,— educated and highly experienced iesiie, nst— educated and highly experienced iesiie, nst iast— educated and highly experienced people, not just tourists, but iesbie— people, not just tourists, but iesiie vbs— people, not just tourists, but people who have been to the titans— people who have been to the iitanis manv— people who have been to the titanic many times, who are researchers and— titanic many times, who are researchers and scientists were on tbis— researchers and scientists were on tbis vessei— researchers and scientists were on this vessel as— researchers and scientists were on this vessel as well. so, you tbsa— on this vessel as well. so, you know, its— on this vessel as well. so, you know, it's hard— on this vessel as well. so, you know, it's hard for— on this vessel as well. so, you know, it's hard for me to judge the:— know, it's hard for me to judge tbs, vsa— know, it's hard for me to judge tbs, vsa tbsa— know, it's hard for me to judge the, you know, the— the, you know, the reasonableness of this of this evieiitisn— reasonableness of this of this evieiitisn. — reasonableness of this of this expedition . no,— reasonableness of this of this expedition . \rr:::r e , expedition. no, but actually, bob, i'm with you 100. i think that, you know, all through the centuries , we have explorers , we centuries, we have explorers, we have risk takers. and it's through that . we learn. it's

through that. we learn. it's through that. we learn. it's through that. we learn. it's through that we advance . and i'm through that we advance. and i'm absolutely with you , whatever absolutely with you, whatever the outcome of this. and it's probably going to be a very sad one. what we don't want a government stopping people going out, and being out, exploring and being adventurous. pezzini, thank adventurous. bob pezzini, thank you joining tonight on gb you for joining us tonight on gb news. well, we'll find out more . it was interesting, wasn't it, brent sadler said even with minimising any form of physical activity , they can only eke out activity, they can only eke out activity, they can only eke out a further 12 hours. so i guess by this time tomorrow we'll know the conclusion all very sad. we did a bit of an exclusive last night on a hate cleric that had come here from bangladesh. we were worried about the things that mr had said in the that mr abbasi had said in the past about those who questioned the prophet being fit to be beheaded and other things. well, he did give a speech in the uk last night . he did give a speech in the uk last night. i've got some up to date news that his event in london tomorrow night has been cancelled. we'll discuss real hate speech in just a moment

michael portillo gb news the people's channel britain . now people's channel britain. now let me be clear when i " " now let me be clear when i talk absat— let me be clear when i talk absat a— let me be clear when i talk about a hate— let me be clear when i talk about a hate preacher , we are gb about a hate preacher, we are gb nevs— about a hate preacher, we are gb bevs ve— about a hate preacher, we are gb news we are the— about a hate preacher, we are gb news we are the people's sbanneb— news we are the people's channel. we— news we are the people's channel. we believe in free sbeesb. — channel. we believe in free sieesb. vve— channel. we believe in free speech. we believe in the right for speech. we believe in the right tsr iesbie— speech. we believe in the right tsr iesiie ts— speech. we believe in the right for people to be— speech. we believe in the right for people to be heard. we beiieve— for people to be heard. we beiieve in— for people to be heard. we believe in free— for people to be heard. we believe in free and open debate. ani— believe in free and open debate. int i— believe in free and open debate. int i bsnestiv— believe in free and open debate. and i honestly believe across tbs— and i honestly believe across tbe satiat— and i honestly believe across tbe satiat st— and i honestly believe across the output of this channel that is vbat— the output of this channel that is vbat vsa— the output of this channel that is what you see— the output of this channel that is what you see every single day . vve— is what you see every single day . vie isatbe— is what you see every single day . we loathe cancel— is what you see every single day . we loathe cancel culture , but . we loathe cancel culture, but tree— . we loathe cancel culture, but tree sbeesb— . we loathe cancel culture, but free speech has— . we loathe cancel culture, but free speech has its— . we loathe cancel culture, but free speech has its limits and moss— free speech has its limits and those limits— free speech has its limits and those limits are— free speech has its limits and those limits are the inciting of viienss — those limits are the inciting of violence. above _ those limits are the inciting of violence. above all. and that was where we _ violence. above all. and that was where we were really , really was where we were really, really aiarmei— was where we were really, really aiarmei tbat— was where we were really, really alarmed that this— was where we were really, really alarmed that this dr. inaya oiiab— alarmed that this dr. inaya ullah abbasi _ alarmed that this dr. inaya ullah abbasi was coming to this ssantrv— ullah abbasi was coming to this ssantrv ani— ullah abbasi was coming to this country and doing— ullah abbasi was coming to this country and doing a speaking tsar— country and doing a speaking tsar. ani— country and doing a speaking tsar. ani ve— country and doing a speaking tour. and we talked about this iast— tour. and we talked about this iast migbt— tour. and we talked about this last night because we were times— last night because we were times sit— last night because we were times sit iv— last night because we were tipped off by a_ last night because we were tipped off by a gb news viewer. vie-ve— tipped off by a gb news viewer. vie-vs been— tipped off by a gb news viewer. vie-vs been in— tipped off by a gb news viewer. we've been in touch with the nome— we've been in touch with the home ottise — we've been in touch with the home office who— we've been in touch with the home office who just batus away vitb— home office who just batus away vitb a— home office who just batus away vitb a biani— home office who just batus away with a bland response . now,

with a bland response. now, remember, you— with a bland response. now, remember, you know, we've banned boobie— remember, you know, we've banned iesiie tite— remember, you know, we've banned iesiie its been— remember, you know, we've banned people like geert wilders, the oatsb— people like geert wilders, the dutch politician,— people like geert wilders, the dutch politician, from coming into— dutch politician, from coming into tbis— dutch politician, from coming into this country— dutch politician, from coming into this country. dutch politician, from coming into this country . we've banned into this country. we've banned a ssabie— into this country. we've banned a ssabie st— into this country. we've banned a couple of canadian conservatives from coming into tbis— conservatives from coming into tbis ssantrv.— conservatives from coming into this country. well— conservatives from coming into this country. well if you're going— this country. well if you're gsing ts— this country. well if you're gsing ts ban— this country. well if you're going to ban people because you tear— going to ban people because you tear tbeir— going to ban people because you fear their speech— going to ban people because you fear their speech may be insitetab— fear their speech may be inciteful, we _ fear their speech may be inciteful, we certainly should nave— inciteful, we certainly should bave bai— inciteful, we certainly should have had alarm— inciteful, we certainly should have had alarm bells ringing absat— have had alarm bells ringing absat tbis— have had alarm bells ringing about this man.— have had alarm bells ringing about this man. now, he did give about this man. now, he did give a sbeesb— about this man. now, he did give a sbeesb in— about this man. now, he did give a sieesb in tbs— about this man. now, he did give a speech in the midlands last migbt— a speech in the midlands last nigbt ani— a speech in the midlands last night and from— a speech in the midlands last night and from what we've heard, nstbing— night and from what we've heard, nothing especially— night and from what we've heard, nothing especially controversial was nothing especially controversial said.— nothing especially controversial saii. bat— nothing especially controversial was said. but he— nothing especially controversial was said. but he was due to speak— was said. but he was due to speak tomorrow— was said. but he was due to speak tomorrow in london in the east— speak tomorrow in london in the east eni— speak tomorrow in london in the east eni st— speak tomorrow in london in the east end of london.— speak tomorrow in london in the east end of london. and that event— east end of london. and that event bas— east end of london. and that event has now— east end of london. and that event has now been cancelled and you event has now been cancelled and vsa san— event has now been cancelled and vsa tbs— event has now been cancelled and you can see the advertisement for you can see the advertisement tsr tbs— you can see the advertisement tsr tbe event— you can see the advertisement for the event on— you can see the advertisement for the event on your screens. tbat— for the event on your screens. tbat event— for the event on your screens. that event has— for the event on your screens. that event has been cancelled. i repeat— that event has been cancelled. i repeat tbs— that event has been cancelled. i repeat tbe isint— that event has been cancelled. i repeat the point ,_ that event has been cancelled. i repeat the point , there is not repeat the point, there is not an ounce of hypocrisy in this. vve— an ounce of hypocrisy in this. its vant— an ounce of hypocrisy in this. we want people— an ounce of hypocrisy in this. we want people to be free to speak— we want people to be free to speak tbeir— we want people to be free to speak their mind. we want open debate.— speak their mind. we want open iebate. vbat— speak their mind. we want open debate. what we— speak their mind. we want open debate. what we don't want is visient— debate. what we don't want is violent incitement. well, isining— violent incitement. well, isining me— violent incitement. well, isining me is— violent incitement. well, joining me is charlotte littlewood, _ joining me is charlotte littlewood, research fellow at the littlewood, research fellow at tbe nenrv— littlewood, research fellow at the henry jackson society . the henry jackson society. iisttv— the henry jackson society. mottvr i— the henry jackson society. motty, i wonder, charlotte , how

motty, i wonder, charlotte, how many— motty, i wonder, charlotte, how many iesiie— motty, i wonder, charlotte, how many iesiie tite— motty, i wonder, charlotte, how many people like dr. abbasi come into sar— many people like dr. abbasi come into ssantrv— many people like dr. abbasi come into our country ,_ many people like dr. abbasi come into our country , say completely into our country, say completely satragesas— into our country, say completely outrageous things— into our country, say completely outrageous things and we irsbabiv— outrageous things and we probably never get to hear about it e — probably never get to hear about it e i— probably never get to hear about it e i mem— probably never get to hear about it ? i mean, nigel,— probably never get to hear about it ? i mean, nigel, that- probably never get to hear about it ? \r tsr: it? i mean, nigel, that is absolutely the right question to be asking actually here, because what abbasi is a part of is something called the khatme nabuwwat. so he's president of khatme bangladesh . and khatme nabuwwat bangladesh. and this sort of an affiliation this is sort of an affiliation of organisations all of organisations that all believe extreme believe in an extreme anti—blasphemy stance. what i mean by that is they call for the death of blasphemous people who insult islam or the prophet muhammad . now khatme nabuwwat muhammad. now khatme nabuwwat conferences are happening year on in this country and on year in this country and people flying from pakistan people are flying from pakistan to preach here in the uk. and i know of at least nine that have made frequent travel to the uk. there have been frequent questions posed to the home office about this . why are they office about this. why are they still coming ? do you have henry still coming? do you have henry iastssn-s— still coming? do you have henry jackson's society?— still coming? do you have henry jackson's society? do— ll it?” "q7 do you have henry jackson's society? do you have many— jackson's society? do you have many members— jackson's society? do you have many members of— jackson's society? do you have many members of parliament that are many members of parliament that prepares—

many members of parliament that prepares to— many members of parliament that are prepared to stand up and ask gaestisns— are prepared to stand up and ask gaestisns st— are prepared to stand up and ask questions of the— are prepared to stand up and ask questions of the of— are prepared to stand up and ask questions of the of the home sesretarv— questions of the of the home sesretarv — questions of the of the home sesretarv i— questions of the of the home secretary i mean,- questions of the of the home secretary " rzfig secretary i mean, the henry jackson society is a think tank with but i can tell with researchers, but i can tell you through my phd thesis that the mp that's worked tirelessly on this is siobhan mcdonagh, because this links heavily to the persecution of ahmadiyya muslims. yes, they are believed to be blasphemous heretics, and one of them was brutally murdered in this country in glasgow in 2004. this was the shopkeepen glasgow in 2004. this was the shopkeeper, wasn't it? yeah . shopkeeper, wasn't it? yeah. this was so badly. every bone in his face was broken. yeah, i remember. it— his face was broken. yeah, i remember. it was- his face was broken. yeah, i remember. it was an- " , " yeah, i remember. it was an absolutely bsrrenisas— remember. it was an absolutely horrendous case.— remember. it was an absolutely horrendous case. yeah. ' r: horrendous case. yeah. and tbatms— horrendous case. yeah. and khatme nabuwwat praised his death. i khatme nabuwwat praised his death . i asked the question death. i asked the question absat— death. i asked the question about members— death. i asked the question about members of- : i asked the question about members of parliament besse— about members of parliament besse it— about members of parliament because it seems— about members of parliament because it seems to me this is baiiening— because it seems to me this is baiiening ani— because it seems to me this is happening and we're doing our best— happening and we're doing our best bsrs.— happening and we're doing our best bsrs. im— happening and we're doing our best here. i'm doing my best vitb— best here. i'm doing my best vitb ob— best here. i'm doing my best with gb news— best here. i'm doing my best with gb news to— best here. i'm doing my best with gb news to try and raise tbis— with gb news to try and raise tbis issas— with gb news to try and raise this issue. and— with gb news to try and raise this issue. and you do what you can as a think— this issue. and you do what you can as a think tank. we don't ts— can as a think tank. we don't ts bave— can as a think tank. we don't seem to have much support out more— seem to have much support out tbere in— seem to have much support out tbere in tbs— seem to have much support out there in the media— seem to have much support out there in the media or in parliament. _ there in the media or in parliament. it's as if everyone's happy for this just to be— everyone's happy for this just to be bariei— everyone's happy for this just to be buried under the carpet. ani— to be buried under the carpet. ani vben— to be buried under the carpet. ani vben ve— to be buried under the carpet. and when we asked yesterday and

stay— and when we asked yesterday and tsiavltbe— and when we asked yesterday and tsiavltbe nome— and when we asked yesterday and today the home office today for the home office sbesitis— today for the home office specific questions about this man.— specific questions about this tbev— specific questions about this man, they won't— specific questions about this man, they won't give us an answer. what— man, they won't give us an answer. what do we need to do? so answer. what do we need to do? so i— answer. what do we need to do? so i tbint— answer. what do we need to do? so i tbint its— answer. what do we need to do? so i think it's really— answer. what do we need to do? so i think it's really important ani— so i think it's really important ani tbis— so i think it's really important ani tbis bas— so i think it's really important and this has been— so i think it's really important and this has been called for in the and this has been called for in tbe iast. — and this has been called for in tbe past. so— and this has been called for in tbe past. so i— and this has been called for in the past. so i really- and this has been called for in the past. ”cellar r:r:::r e the past. so i really don't understand why this is not in place. but there needs to be an urdu specialist unit within the home that assess is the home office that assess is the likes people coming likes of these people coming over speak. and there are red over to speak. and there are red flags. stop. over to speak. and there are red flags . stop. what do you mean? flags. stop. what do you mean? more— flags. stop. what do you mean? ibere nests— flags. stop. what do you mean? there needs to— flags. stop. what do you mean? there needs to be?— 3 stop. what do you mean? there needs to be? are you saving— there needs to be? are you saving tbere— there needs to be? are you saying there one? there needs to be? are you- saying there -one? that has saying there isn't one? that has been— saying there isn't one? that has been a— saying there isn't one? that has been a question that's been raised a number of times. there hasn't been straight on hasn't been a straight answer on whether there are urdu specialist on this. specialist s working on this. and to be and clearly there needs to be and a straight and we haven't got a straight answer the home office as answer from the home office as to are any that to whether there are any that would clear answer to stop would be a clear answer to stop the likes this man coming would be a clear answer to stop the likes this man the likes of this man coming to the likes of this man coming to the uk. also there are clear flags. khatme nabuwwat is one of them and we have nato about registered charities in the uk and flyers calling and conferences flyers calling for the death of ahmadiyyas with khatme nabuwwat on it here in the uk. so khatme nabuwwat get used to that word. i understand these are difficult words, but

come on, you're supposed to be some of the most intelligent people in country running people in the country running the not. well, the country. clearly not. well, i'm alarmed by this, i'm deeply alarmed by this, charlotte. deeply alarmed. i not just charlotte. deeply alarmed. i not iast absat— charlotte. deeply alarmed. i not just about this— charlotte. deeply alarmed. i not just about this man,— deeply alarmed. i not just about this man, but as you say,— just about this man, but as you says vsa— just about this man, but as you says vsa bave— just about this man, but as you says vsa bave at— just about this man, but as you say, you have at least nine st— say, you have at least nine cases of this— say, you have at least nine cases of this that have gone on. ani— cases of this that have gone on. ani tbant— cases of this that have gone on. ani tbant vsa— cases of this that have gone on. and thank you for— cases of this that have gone on. and thank you for joining me on the and thank you for joining me on tbe rasgramms— and thank you for joining me on the programme. and we're going to besi— the programme. and we're going to keep tbs— the programme. and we're going to keep the pressure on the home ottise.— to keep the pressure on the home ottise. vie-re— to keep the pressure on the home office. we're not— to keep the pressure on the home office. we're not just going to assert— office. we're not just going to assebt—stt. - office. we're not just going to. assebt—sttlare accept being fobbed off. we are going— accept being fobbed off. we are gsing-besi— accept being fobbed off. we are gsinglteeb tbs— accept being fobbed off. we are going keep the pressure on going to keep the pressure on ani— going to keep the pressure on ani gsing— going to keep the pressure on and we're going to ask some mps to and we're going to ask some mps ts-being— and we're going to ask some mps ts-being a— and we're going to ask some mps ts-being a bit— and we're going to ask some mps to-being a bit more- and we're going to ask some mps to being a bit more robust to start being a bit more robust in asking— to start being a bit more robust in asking questions today in trime— in asking questions today in prime questions as prime minister's questions as bere— prime minister's questions as bere vas— prime minister's questions as here was a boast— prime minister's questions as here was a boast from the prime minister— here was a boast from the prime minister rishi _ here was a boast from the prime minister rishi sunak. he comes bere— minister rishi sunak. he comes bere everv— minister rishi sunak. he comes here every week— minister rishi sunak. he comes here every week to make the same petty— here every week to make the same iettv isints— here every week to make the same iettv isints ve— here every week to make the same petty points we are _ here every week to make the same petty points we are getting on ani— petty points we are getting on and delivering— petty points we are getting on and delivering for this country . ves— and delivering for this country . vss. bir— and delivering for this country . yes, mr speaker,- and delivering for this country “4115 ii ” ” "if; " and delivering for this country 4155 . yes, mr speaker, inflation is a challenge. that's why we are on track to keep reducing it. we are reducing waiting lists. we are reducing waiting lists. we are stopping the boats. all while he is focussed on the past, focussed on the politics andifs past, focussed on the politics and it's all talk. whereas from tbis— and it's all talk. whereas from this government— and it's all talk. whereas from this government and- m: e whereas from this government and from this trime— this government and from this prime minister— this government and from this prime minister we deliver for

the prime minister we deliver for tbe ssantrv— prime minister we deliver for tbe ssantrv. — prime minister we deliver for the country . the- prime minister we deliver for the country . 37” ii " the country. the prime minister says we're stopping the boats. are you having a laugh up until sunday for the previous ten days, 3000 people had crossed the english channel. i mean, how on earth can we believe a single word this prime minister says? this stuff makes me really angry. just in case you hadn't noficed angry. just in case you hadn't noticed something else that makes me angry is the ulez expansion seems to me that it's the poor that are going to get hit. it's people working night shifts that are going to get hit and yet khan seems to want to press ahead. in a moment, we'll ask how is the campaign against ulez extension going? can it win or is it doomed to failure

i must declare a personal interest. i live on top of the nonh interest. i live on top of the north downs. it is a beautiful rural location. i can go out for a walk and not see anybody for an hour. the air quality is brilliant. it's magnificent, but we're right on the edge of kent county council and greater london and the ulez cameras are coming by the end of august and i am really opposed to them . but i am really opposed to them. but of course it doesn't matter to me because i've got a well—paid job and i've got a fairly modern car. i'm not going to have to pay car. i'm not going to have to pay the charges, but i'm genuinely worried about about people i know that live in my

area that have got older cars. they're pensioners on fixed incomes. they can't afford new ones. it's going to cost people £12.50 just to go and get a newspaper for or to go to the shops. so i am clearly against ulez , but my concern is can any ulez, but my concern is can any campaign actually stop sadiq khan? well, one man who's having a bit of a go is nick arlott, who's the organiser for action against ulez group . nick, you've against ulez group. nick, you've got a protest coming up this weekend. we do in marble arch. just one observation from me . just one observation from me. there have been so many protests and they've been taking place from groups all around the edges of greater london. can't you all get together and have a really big protest ? yes, we are big protest? yes, we are astaaiiv— big protest? yes, we are actually. we— big protest? yes, we are actually. we are- g 7 yes, we are actually. we are all together. veab. — actually. we are all together. veab. iii— actually. we are all together. yeah. all right.— actually. we are all together. yeah. all right. we get the smatt— yeah. all right. we get the small ones. _ yeah. all right. we get the small ones. do— yeah. all right. we get the small ones. do they're basically for awareness— small ones. do they're basically for awareness days— small ones. do they're basically for awareness days . the bigger for awareness days. the bigger tbat— for awareness days. the bigger ones that we've— for awareness days. the bigger ones that we've had is you acknowledge— ones that we've had is you acknowledge are a bit in irataigar— acknowledge are a bit in trafalgar square . i mean, the trafalgar square. i mean, the ma— trafalgar square. i mean, the irsbiem— trafalgar square. i mean, the main problem is— trafalgar square. i mean, the main problem is we can get the

iesbie— main problem is we can get the iesiie tsgetber— main problem is we can get the people together, but what people ism-t— people together, but what people isn-t tbsa— people together, but what people don't know, we're— people together, but what people don't know, we're doing it besse— don't know, we're doing it because every— don't know, we're doing it because every time we appear, sav— because every time we appear, sav in— because every time we appear, say in trafalgar— because every time we appear, say in trafalgar square, khan tarns— say in trafalgar square, khan tarns tbs— say in trafalgar square, khan turns the cameras off. he said be-s— turns the cameras off. he said be-s isms— turns the cameras off. he said be-s some it— turns the cameras off. he said he's done it every— turns the cameras off. he said he's done it every time. you tbsa— he's done it every time. you know, we— he's done it every time. you know, we even marched down vvbitebaii— know, we even marched down whitehall and _ know, we even marched down whitehall and we had an anti—racism— whitehall and we had an anti—racism march walk the other way— anti—racism march walk the other vav ani— anti—racism march walk the other vav ani ve— anti—racism march walk the other way and we thought, oh, good, we can way and we thought, oh, good, we sort— way and we thought, oh, good, we ssrt st— way and we thought, oh, good, we ssn st iamb— way and we thought, oh, good, we can sort of jump in— way and we thought, oh, good, we can sort of jump in along beside saiig— can sort of jump in along beside saiig tban— can sort of jump in along beside sadiq, khan says,— can sort of jump in along beside sadiq, khan says, you're all far rigbt— sadiq, khan says, you're all far rigbt. ob— sadiq, khan says, you're all far rigbt. ob, veab— sadiq, khan says, you're all far right. oh, yeah, of— sadiq, khan says, you're all far right. oh, yeah, of course we veab— right. oh, yeah, of course we veab i— right. oh, yeah, of course we are. yeah i do— right. oh, yeah, of course we are. yeah i do have german isssent— are. yeah i do have german iessent, ss— are. yeah i do have german descent, so maybe, maybe, maybe i descent, so maybe, maybe, maybe i mean— descent, so maybe, maybe, maybe i be— descent, so maybe, maybe, maybe i mean, he actually— descent, so maybe, maybe, maybe i mean, he actually aim that besse— i mean, he actually aim that besse i— i mean, he actually aim that because i was— i mean, he actually aim that because i was there at ealing vben— because i was there at ealing vben be— because i was there at ealing when he decided— because i was there at ealing when he decided to do that, i astaaiiv— when he decided to do that, i was actually outside making a lot was actually outside making a bot st— was actually outside making a bot st mise— was actually outside making a lot of noise when— was actually outside making a lot of noise when he came up vitb— lot of noise when he came up vitb tbat— lot of noise when he came up with that stupid— lot of noise when he came up with that stupid remark that basttirei— with that stupid remark that backfired on— with that stupid remark that backfired on him, which was great,— backfired on him, which was great, vsa— backfired on him, which was great, you know? but he's an idiot.— great, you know? but he's an idiot vbat-s— great, you know? but he's an idiot. what's your— great, you know? but he's an idiot. what's your main sbiestisn— idiot. what's your main objection to— idiot. what's your main objection to the ulez extension 7 objection to the ulez extension e onnsssssarv— objection to the ulez extension ? unnecessary dodi - objection to the ulez extension 7 "f jrirr: critic ? unnecessary dodi god, i the absolutely unjustified . the only absolutely unjustified. the only thing he absolutely unjustified. the only tbing be beeps— absolutely unjustified. the only thing he keeps on— absolutely unjustified. the only thing he keeps on about- l. �*rir: the only thing he keeps on about is this tbis— thing he keeps on about is this tbis air— thing he keeps on about is this this air quality.— thing he keeps on about is this this air quality. he goes on absat. — this air quality. he goes on absat. ns— this air quality. he goes on about. he says- this air quality. he goes on about. he says it- this air quality. he goes on about. i; e ll this air quality. he goes on about. i; e ii this air quality. he goes on- about. he says it will save 4000 lives a year. okay. the 4000.

now:— lives a year. okay. the 4000. nov, vbere— lives a year. okay. the 4000. now, where does— lives a year. okay. the 4000. now, where does he- l okay. the 4000. now, where does he get that tromb— now, where does he get that trsme veab— now, where does he get that trsme veab i— now, where does he get that from? yeah i know where he got it trsm — from? yeah i know where he got it iron in— from? yeah i know where he got it iron in tbs— from? yeah i know where he got it from in the first— from? yeah i know where he got it from in the first place, but its— it from in the first place, but its vears— it from in the first place, but its vears ani— it from in the first place, but it's years and years ago. i mean, many, many years ago, there_ mean, many, many years ago, tbere vas— mean, many, many years ago, tbere a— mean, many, many years ago, there was a professor called antbsnv— there was a professor called antbsnv irv— there was a professor called anthony fry, and he was a resoiratsrv— anthony fry, and he was a respiratory expert . respiratory expert. unfortunately, he died. but he evbiainei— unfortunately, he died. but he explained the— unfortunately, he died. but he explained the 4000 had to come ab— explained the 4000 had to come ab vitb— explained the 4000 had to come ai vitb it.— explained the 4000 had to come come up with it. you know, it's a mvtb— come up with it. you know, it's a mvtb .— come up with it. you know, it's a mvtb . vsa— come up with it. you know, it's a myth . you know,— come up with it. you know, it's a myth . you know, the question a myth. you know, the question tbat-s— a myth. you know, the question tbat-s nst— a myth. you know, the question that's not been— a myth. you know, the question that's not been asked by any isarnaiist— that's not been asked by any journalist and— that's not been asked by any journalist and i— that's not been asked by any journalist and i don't quite get tbis— journalist and i don't quite get tbis vets— journalist and i don't quite get tbis yet is— journalist and i don't quite get this yet, is they— journalist and i don't quite get this yet, is they say they're prematare — this yet, is they say they're premature deaths . well, by how premature deaths. well, by how masb— premature deaths. well, by how masb e— premature deaths. well, by how masb i now— premature deaths. well, by how much ? how do— premature deaths. well, by how much ? how do you measure it? much? how do you measure it? nsv— much? how do you measure it? now is— much? how do you measure it? now is vsa— much? how do you measure it? how do you know? no.- much? how do you measure it? r:rir 7 no. what is the how do you know? no. what is the time— how do you know? no. what is the time tbat— how do you know? no. what is the time that they're— how do you know? no. what is the time that they're saying— r:rir 7 no. what is the time that they're saying that it's time that they're saying that its been— time that they're saying that it's been taken— time that they're saying that it's been taken off of people's iivese— it's been taken off of people's iivese is— it's been taken off of people's iivese is it— it's been taken off of people's lives? is it is— it's been taken off of people's lives? is it is it— it's been taken off of people's lives? is it is it is— it's been taken off of people's lives? is it is it is it a minatee— lives? is it is it is it a minute? certainly lives? is it is it is it a- minute? certainly what i live, the minute? certainly what i live, tbs air— minute? certainly what i live, the air quality is great. well, i'm not far from you,- the air quality is great. well, i'm not far from you, so- ” r: can g’s/131 well, i'm not far from you, so you know— i'm not far from you, so you know tbat. — i'm not far from you, so you know that. and— i'm not far from you, so you know that. and i- i'm not far from you, so you know that. ' r: know that. and i know that now. the big one, of course, is and we've had colin smith, the leader of bromley council, to leader of bromley council, in to discuss this five of the outer boroughs fighting legal boroughs are fighting a legal action. to court on july action. it goes to court on july the 4th. you're out doing your

protest trying to make some protest and trying to make some noise. but can khan be stopped ? noise. but can khan be stopped? if there's any justice if this judge— if there's any justice if this iaige astaaiiv— if there's any justice if this judge actually looks at the case irsierive— judge actually looks at the case irsierivs veab— judge actually looks at the case properly? yeah, it— judge actually looks at the case properly? yeah, it should be stsiiei— properly? yeah, it should be stsiiei sn— properly? yeah, it should be stopped on that. but even then, if stopped on that. but even then, it it— stopped on that. but even then, it it stsooei— stopped on that. but even then, it it stsiiei, i— stopped on that. but even then, if it stopped, i think it's only going— if it stopped, i think it's only gsing ts— if it stopped, i think it's only gsing ts ieiav— if it stopped, i think it's only going to delay it. but i think tbs— going to delay it. but i think tbe bsint— going to delay it. but i think tbe point is— going to delay it. but i think the point is with— going to delay it. but i think the point is with ulez, it's a sort— the point is with ulez, it's a sort st— the point is with ulez, it's a sort of minor— the point is with ulez, it's a sort of minor thing to a certain extent— sort of minor thing to a certain extent because— sort of minor thing to a certain extent because it— sort of minor thing to a certain extent because it just goes to paper— extent because it just goes to paper mite.— extent because it just goes to paper miie. it— extent because it just goes to paper mile. if he— extent because it just goes to paper mile. if he gets stopped on tbat,— paper mile. if he gets stopped on tbat, it— paper mile. if he gets stopped on that, it would— paper mile. if he gets stopped on that, it would go to pay per mite— on that, it would go to pay per miie viii— on that, it would go to pay per mile will affect— on that, it would go to pay per mile will affect everyone. and be-s— mile will affect everyone. and be-s aireaiv— mile will affect everyone. and he's already talking about evervtbing. — he's already talking about everything. everyone the issue bsrs— everything. everyone the issue bsrs rsaiiv— everything. everyone the issue here really is if people vote for local councils and khan can completely overrule them . of completely overrule them. of course there are questions about local dumas . no, i get that. local dumas. no, i get that. i mean, i don't know whether this court case can succeed or not. it's on a very narrow point of law. it's on the interpretation of the act of parliament of what the act of parliament says course says and whether, of course transport for london can just put them in. yeah, okay. i mean, i follow these so—called- i follow these so—called

consultation _ i follow these so—called consultation and you know, the oaariians— consultation and you know, the guardians principles, they're saiissei— guardians principles, they're saiissei ts— guardians principles, they're supposed to be— guardians principles, they're supposed to be set to and he ssmiieteiv— supposed to be set to and he completely flouted them. he had no regai— completely flouted them. he had no regari tsr— completely flouted them. he had no regard for them— completely flouted them. he had no regard for them whatsoever. he no regard for them whatsoever. be be— no regard for them whatsoever. he he interfered— no regard for them whatsoever. he he interfered with it during the he he interfered with it during tbe brssess— he he interfered with it during the process. he— he he interfered with it during the process. he was caught intertering— the process. he was caught interfering with— the process. he was caught interfering with it by the gla rigbt— interfering with it by the gla rigbt .— interfering with it by the gla rigbt . i— interfering with it by the gla rigbt . i sat— interfering with it by the gla right . i sat in— interfering with it by the gla right . i sat in in— interfering with it by the gla right . i sat in in the interfering with it by the gla right. i sat in in the gla betsre— right. i sat in in the gla before they— right. i sat in in the gla before they threw me out because you before they threw me out because vsa get— before they threw me out because vsa get tbrsvn— before they threw me out because you get thrown out— before they threw me out because you get thrown out quite a lot of you get thrown out quite a lot st iiases. — you get thrown out quite a lot of places. nick— you get thrown out quite a lot of places. nick i— you get thrown out quite a lot of places. nick i do,- you get thrown out quite a lot of places. \r rixé r:rir , of places. nick i do, actually. yeah.i of places. nick i do, actually. yeah. i gather that. yeah, but he has he admitted to to, peter fortune, who questioned him about the purchasing of the cameras and he said that he bought them before the process, even started. yeah, that alone teiis— even started. yeah, that alone teiis vsa— even started. yeah, that alone teiis vsa gaite— even started. yeah, that alone tells you quite is— tells you quite is pre—determination. yeah. tells you quite is— pre—determination. yeah. talking of pre—determination. yeah. talking sttbe— pre—determination. yeah. talking of the cameras,— pre—determination. yeah. talking of the cameras, these cameras are-instaiiei— of the cameras, these cameras are-installed and- of the cameras, these cameras are installed and i'm are being installed and i'm going— are being installed and i'm going-vou- are being installed and i'm gsing-vsa ssmel are being installed and i'm going you some video going to show you some video tsstage— going to show you some video tsstage-bst- going to show you some video footage - bet i've - going to show you some video footage - bet i've seen i going to show you some videoi footage-bet i've seen it footage now. i bet i've seen it was posted on the internet a few days ago and are a couple days ago and there are a couple of of the cameras that of dozen of the cameras that have been removed and disconnected by an individual. he goes on in the latter part of the video to tell people how to do it. and we're not going to

show that. but nick, this is whether you like it or not, this is criminal damage. whether you like it or not, this is criminal damage . and what do is criminal damage. and what do you have to say about this man's campaign? man, i think desperate times. desperate, desperate its— times. desperate, desperate measures. it's as— e desperate, desperate measures. it's as simple as tbat.— measures. it's as simple as tbat. it— measures. it's as simple as tbat. it vsa— measures. it's as simple as that. if you put— measures. it's as simple as that. if you put people against the that. if you put people against tbe wan,— that. if you put people against the wall, they're _ that. if you put people against the wall, they're going to fight bast. — the wall, they're going to fight bast. vsa — the wall, they're going to fight bast. vsa basb— the wall, they're going to fight back. you push someone into a missing— tite— back. you push someone into a corner like he— back. you push someone into a corner like he is.— back. you push someone into a corner like he is. what are they saiissei— corner like he is. what are they saiissei ts— corner like he is. what are they supposed to do?— corner like he is. what are they supposed to do? i— corner like he is. what are they supposed to do? i mean, i'm not ssnisning— supposed to do? i mean, i'm not ssnisning n,— supposed to do? i mean, i'm not condoning it, but— supposed to do? i mean, i'm not condoning it, but i— supposed to do? i mean, i'm not condoning it, but i can't in all bsnestv— condoning it, but i can't in all bsnestv .— condoning it, but i can't in all honesty , condemn it. these honesty, condemn it. these iesbie— honesty, condemn it. these iesiie are— honesty, condemn it. these people are desperate . they see people are desperate. they see tbev-re— people are desperate. they see tbev-re getting— people are desperate. they see they're getting nowhere. they see they're getting nowhere. they tbat— they're getting nowhere. they tbat-is— they're getting nowhere. they see that-is-to- they're getting nowhere. they see that is to come see that this is going to come in ri— see that this is going to come in ruin countless— see that this is going to come in ruin countless lives. i have no issa— in ruin countless lives. i have no iiea bov— in ruin countless lives. i have no idea how many— in ruin countless lives. i have no idea how many lives this is going— no idea how many lives this is gsing ts— no idea how many lives this is gsing ts rin— no idea how many lives this is going to ruin. well, yeah, besse— going to ruin. well, yeah, besse it— going to ruin. well, yeah, because it affects people living in-ssanties— because it affects people living in .counties all— because it affects people living in counties all around the in the counties all around the eige— in the counties all around the eigelisnisn— in the counties all around the edge london because they've edge of london because they've got—tbev-re- got their vans and they're striving— got their vans and they're driving-work. - got their vans and they're driving work. ' r: got their vans and they're- driving-work. and i guess driving into work. and i guess if you're a nurse doing a night shift, could be £25, not £12 shift, it could be £25, not £12 to to work. well we obviously to go to work. well we obviously can't way in any can't in any way in any way condone lawbreaking, don't condone lawbreaking, don't condone it. but i do get the angen condone it. but i do get the anger. nick i get it. i see it where i live. and people are very unhappy. we're going to

follow this court case. yeah, yeah. and we're to follow yeah. and we're going to follow the campaign. 4th of i'll the campaign. 4th of july. i'll be—tbis- the campaign. 4th of july. i'll be—tbis viii- the campaign. 4th of july. i'lli be_this will-on be watching and this will go on for be watching and this will go on tsr absat— be watching and this will go on tsr absat a— be watching and this will go on for about a week. _ be watching and this will go on for about a week. 3 for about a week. i guess this court case, well, they say just two days full. fifth, is that it? two days full. fifth, is that its tbat-s— two days full. fifth, is that it? that's-they- two days full. fifth, is that it? that's-they said,l it? that's what they said, tsartb — it? that's what they said, fourth .fifth. - it? that's what they said, fourth fifth. so we'll see. fourth and fifth. so we'll see. ani— fourth and fifth. so we'll see. ant it— fourth and fifth. so we'll see. ant it vsa— fourth and fifth. so we'll see. and if you lose— fourth and fifth. so we'll see. and if you lose at— fourth and fifth. so we'll see. and if you lose at the- fourth and fifth. so we'll see. and if you lose at the end- fourth and fifth. so we'll see. and if you lose at the end of all of this, is it the 29th of august, these cameras are due to go live if i lose. i was asked tbis— go live if i lose. i was asked tbis tbs— go live if i lose. i was asked this the other— go live if i lose. i was asked this the other day,- grit l �*7 i was asked this the other day, funnily ensagb— this the other day, funnily ensagb-nev- this the other day, funnily enough, new york this the other day, funnily- enough,-new york times is enough, by the new york times is rigbt. — enough, by the new york times is rigbt. _tannv— enough, by the new york times is rigbt. _tannv .— enough, by the new york times is rigbt-_tannv. its- enough, by the new york times is right-funny. it's got. right. and it's funny. it's got international. yes. yes, it international. yes. oh, yes, it bas— international. yes. oh, yes, it bas. ves— international. yes. oh, yes, it has. yes. yeah.— international. yes. oh, yes, it has. yes. yeah. oh,- yes. oh, yes, it has. yes. yeah. oh, yeah. never st— has. yes. yeah. oh, yeah. never aware of what's— has. yes. yeah. oh, yeah. never aware of what's going on and i bave— aware of what's going on and i bave ts— aware of what's going on and i bave ts savv— aware of what's going on and i have to say, the— aware of what's going on and i have to say, the journalists i siste— have to say, the journalists i spots to— have to say, the journalists i siste to was— have to say, the journalists i spoke to was i— have to say, the journalists i spoke to was i think , quite spoke to was i think, quite svmoatbetis— spoke to was i think, quite sympathetic. you know, she astaaiiv— sympathetic. you know, she actually understood what's going on. actually understood what's going ss— actually understood what's going ss bat— actually understood what's going ss bat as— actually understood what's going ss bat as i— actually understood what's going on. so but as i said— actually understood what's going on. so but as i said to her when sne— on. so but as i said to her when sbe asteri— on. so but as i said to her when sbe astei me— on. so but as i said to her when she asked me the— on. so but as i said to her when she asked me the same question, i she asked me the same question, i baven-t— she asked me the same question, i baven-t got— she asked me the same question, i baven-t got a— she asked me the same question, i haven't got a clue— she asked me the same question, i haven't got a clue . no, it's i haven't got a clue. no, it's as simbie— i haven't got a clue. no, it's as simiie as— i haven't got a clue. no, it's as simple as that. me personally . iie— as simple as that. me personally . me, i— as simple as that. me personally . me, i sannst— as simple as that. me personally . me, i cannot afford a new vebisis— . me, i cannot afford a new vehicle. this— . me, i cannot afford a new vehicle. this this- . me, i cannot afford a new vehicle. this this pathetic ozooo— vehicle. this this pathetic £2,000 that— vehicle. this this pathetic £2,000 that they offer you with a ssraiiage— £2,000 that they offer you with a scrappage scheme. yeah. it isesn-t— a scrappage scheme. yeah. it isesn-t pav— a scrappage scheme. yeah. it isesn-t iav tsr— a scrappage scheme. yeah. it doesn't pay for the rest of the vebisie— doesn't pay for the rest of the vebisie ts — doesn't pay for the rest of the vehicle to two— doesn't pay for the rest of the vehicle to two grand to get me nstbing— vehicle to two grand to get me nstbing. os— vehicle to two grand to get me nstbing. ss vsa— vehicle to two grand to get me nothing. so you know. and

tbere-s— nothing. so you know. and tbere-s .— nothing. so you know. and tbere-s . i— nothing. so you know. and there's . i mean, i don't walk there's. i mean, i don't walk masb— there's. i mean, i don't walk masb .— there's. i mean, i don't walk masb , rigbt.— there's. i mean, i don't walk much , right. so— there's. i mean, i don't walk much , right. so you'll see that much, right. so you'll see that tater— much, right. so you'll see that iater vbere— much, right. so you'll see that later where i— much, right. so you'll see that later where i live.— much, right. so you'll see that later where i live. yeah. nsietaiiv— later where i live. yeah. hopefully i'm- later where i live. yeah. hopefully i'm stuck. i do not know— hopefully i'm stuck. i do not know vbat— hopefully i'm stuck. i do not know what i'll— hopefully i'm stuck. i do not know what i'll do . \r rixé gric know what i'll do. nick. i get it. i— know what i'll do. nick. i get it. i get it . know what i'll do. nick. i get it. i get it. i get it. i've neven it. i get it. i get it. i've never, ever . and it. i get it. i get it. i've never, ever. and thank you for joining us. i've never, ever, certainly where i live , you certainly where i live, you know, where i live on those borders of kent and what is now greater london. i have to say, i've never seen local people more energised and i'm energised by it, even though it won't affect me in any way at all. now, this is extraordinary . this now, this is extraordinary. this is extraordinary. us government officials are telling us that the first three people, all known to have the covid virus , known to have the covid virus, had worked in the wuhan lab . had worked in the wuhan lab. yes, it was the china virus. why is . this

is. this david? it's absolutely bang to rights, isn't it? this happenedin bang to rights, isn't it? this happened in the lab . yeah what happened in the lab. yeah what happened? not just— happened in the lab. yeah what happened? not just in- happened in the lab. yeah what happened? not just in the- : " “in?" what happened? not just in the wuhan lab, happened? not just in the wuhan iab, astaaiiv. — happened? not just in the wuhan lab, actually. there's two wuhan iabs. — lab, actually. there's two wuhan iabs. it— lab, actually. there's two wuhan labs. it happened.— lab, actually. there's two wuhan labs. it happened. the lab that was controlled— labs. it happened. the lab that was controlled by— labs. it happened. the lab that was controlled by the infamous barbs— was controlled by the infamous barbs iaiv— was controlled by the infamous batus lady, doctor sherry jiang lee batus lady, doctor sherry jiang ise .— batus lady, doctor sherry jiang ise . ani— batus lady, doctor sherry jiang ise . ani it— batus lady, doctor sherry jiang lee . and it was— batus lady, doctor sherry jiang lee . and it was her most key lee. and it was her most key ierssnnei— lee. and it was her most key personnel doing— lee. and it was her most key personnel doing not just coronavirus_ personnel doing not just coronavirus variant variant research, but— coronavirus variant variant research, but developing aivansei— research, but developing advanced coronavirus vectors tbat— advanced coronavirus vectors tbatvsaii— advanced coronavirus vectors tbat vsaii be— advanced coronavirus vectors that would be hyper transmissible and potentially ianiemis— transmissible and potentially ianiemis .— transmissible and potentially pandemic . and— transmissible and potentially pandemic . and they were doing it pandemic. and they were doing it ieiiberateiv— pandemic. and they were doing it ieiiberateiv .— pandemic. and they were doing it deliberately . and— pandemic. and they were doing it deliberately . and the funding deliberately. and the funding for deliberately. and the funding tsr tbat— deliberately. and the funding for that research we put in a declassified— for that research we put in a declassified fact— for that research we put in a declassified fact sheet several vears— declassified fact sheet several vears ago— declassified fact sheet several vears ags at— declassified fact sheet several years ago at the— declassified fact sheet several years ago at the state department- years ago at the state department when i was there, came from the— department when i was there, came from the chinese military , came from the chinese military, ani— came from the chinese military, ani ve— came from the chinese military, and we believed— came from the chinese military, and we believed it— came from the chinese military, and we believed it had essentially— and we believed it had essentially nefarious designs to it . its— essentially nefarious designs to it . its-bis— essentially nefarious designs to it . it's bio defence it. it's only bio defence reaiiv— it. it's only bio defence really it— it. it's only bio defence really, if you- it. it's only bio defence really, if you declare it to be bis— really, if you declare it to be bis isienss— really, if you declare it to be bio defence and— really, if you declare it to be bio defence and the biological easnos— bio defence and the biological weapons convention, this was seset— weapons convention, this was secret research— weapons convention, this was secret research not declared anter— secret research not declared anier tbs— secret research not declared under the convention being ssniastei— under the convention being conducted with— under the convention being conducted with classified ierssnnei— conducted with classified personnel and- conducted with classified

personnel and classified budgets that personnel and classified budgets tbat ve— personnel and classified budgets that we revealed. _ personnel and classified budgets that we revealed. and now tbere-ii— that we revealed. and now tbere-ii be— that we revealed. and now there'll be significant declassified information coming out declassified information coming satts— declassified information coming out to illuminate. _ declassified information coming out to illuminate. but these are the out to illuminate. but these are tbe iesbie— out to illuminate. but these are tbe iesiie aiss— out to illuminate. but these are the people also working on svntbetis— the people also working on synthetic biological variants. vsa— synthetic biological variants. vsa snori— synthetic biological variants. you wonder why— synthetic biological variants. you wonder why covid is so iitterent— you wonder why covid is so different than— you wonder why covid is so different than anything that's evistei— different than anything that's evistei in— different than anything that's existed in the— different than anything that's existed in the past. it's besse— existed in the past. it's because it's— existed in the past. it's because it's largely biosynthesized. it was never a nataraiiv— biosynthesized. it was never a naturally extend— biosynthesized. it was never a naturally extend virus that that was even in a lab— naturally extend virus that that was even in a lab designed to morib— was even in a lab designed to msrbb sr— was even in a lab designed to msrib or or— was even in a lab designed to morph or or transmit between animais. — morph or or transmit between animais. it— morph or or transmit between animals. it was— morph or or transmit between animals. it was made as a artitisiai— animals. it was made as a artificial variant, most likely trom— artificial variant, most likely trsm tbs— artificial variant, most likely from the beginning . well david, from the beginning. well david, iisten— from the beginning. well david, iisten tbant— from the beginning. well david, listen, thank you _ from the beginning. well david, listen, thank you for that up to state— listen, thank you for that up to date information— listen, thank you for that up to date information on it. i'm astonisbsi— date information on it. i'm astonished that— date information on it. i'm astonished that this isn't a bigger story . astonished that this isn't a bigger story. but to you and the hudson institute, please keep up the great work. thank you very much indeed. jacob joins me . much indeed. jacob joins me. jacob, just astonished by that . jacob, just astonished by that. i mean, you know, there it is, us government officials telling us that patient zero did come from a lab in wuhan. trump, of course, was calling this out

from the beginning. so everyone said it can't possibly be true . said it can't possibly be true. and yet we appear to be so in hock to china that virtually no one wants to talk about. it's absolutely extraordinary. i it— absolutely extraordinary. i mean, if all— absolutely extraordinary. i mean, if all this information is ssrrest tben — mean, if all this information is correct, then it's— mean, if all this information is correct, then it's even worse tban— correct, then it's even worse tban vs — correct, then it's even worse than we thought. - correct, then it's even worse than we thought. but it's coming trom— than we thought. but it's coming trsm verv— than we thought. but it's coming trsm verv bign— than we thought. but it's coming from very high, very high sources and— from very high, very high sources and some very resiestabie— sources and some very respectable people. i had matt isiiiev— respectable people. i had matt itiiiev sn— respectable people. i had matt ridley on program and he ridley on my program and he basin-t— ridley on my program and he bain-t gsne— ridley on my program and he hadn't gone for— ridley on my program and he hadn't gone for this early on, bat— hadn't gone for this early on, bat bei— hadn't gone for this early on, but he'd been— hadn't gone for this early on, but he'd been persuaded that it vaslsbtisn.— but he'd been persuaded that it was option. should think was an option. you should think absat— was an option. you should think absat .— was an option. you should think absat . ani— was an option. you should think about . and people think about about. and as people think about it it about. and as people think about it-it isss— about. and as people think about it-it isss-as- about. and as people think about it-it does-as if- it more, it does seem as if a ist— it more, it does seem as if a bot st— it more, it does seem as if a lot of evidence— it more, it does seem as if a lot of evidence is- it more, it does seem as if a lot of evidence is there. and sbina— lot of evidence is there. and china, therefore _ lot of evidence is there. and china, therefore has questions to answer about— china, therefore has questions to answer about its responsibility. to answer about its- responsibility. reparations to answer about its— responsibility. reparations to pay responsibility. reparations to pay that. well, you would have thought, well, that will be the campaign one donald j. trump campaign of one donald j. trump as for the presidency as he runs for the presidency next possibly a next year, possibly from a prison cell, which may be rather don't think that's going to happen, but we never know. jacob, what have you got coming up tonight, we're going to be talking inflation and the talking about inflation and the failure england. failure of the bank of england. yes. mean, it's just had its yes. i mean, it's just had its beaa— yes. i mean, it's just had its beai bariei— yes. i mean, it's just had its head buried .the- yes. i mean, it's just had its head buried the sand. it is head buried in the sand. it is tbe—

head buried in the sand. it is tbe sstrisb— head buried in the sand. it is the ostrich bank— head buried in the sand. it is the ostrich bank of england and we the ostrich bank of england and ve—tbat- the ostrich bank of england and ve—tbat ism-t- we have inflation that isn't ssming— we have inflation that isn't coming-interest- we have inflation that isn't coming interest rates coming down. interest rates iiteiv— coming down. interest rates iiteivlrise— coming down. interest rates likely rise further. likely to rise further. other ssantnes— likely to rise further. other. countries _ better likely to rise further. other- countries_better job countries have done a betterjob vitb— countries have done a betterjob vitb-bsiisv. — countries have done a betterjob vitb-bsiisv. vvbv- countries have done a betterjob with policy. why has with monetary policy. why has the with monetary policy. why has tbs-st— with monetary policy. why has tbs-st-gst- with monetary policy. why has tbs-st-gst it- with monetary policy. why has the-of-got it sol the bank of england got it so wronge— the bank of england got it so wrongs-bassi- the bank of england got it so wrong? jacob and wrong? i think jacob and i tsnigbt— wrong? i think jacob and i tsnigbt are— wrong? i think jacob and i tonight are absolutely the tonight are absolutely on the same-andrew- tonight are absolutely on the same _andrew out. tonight are absolutely on the same _andrew out toi tonight are absolutely on the- same _andrew out to lunch. same page. andrew out to lunch. bailey, as he was known when he headed up the fca, the financial regulator, not because he enjoyed lunch, but enjoyed a good lunch, but i wouldn't condemn him for that, enjoyed a good lunch, but i woubecauseidemn him for that, enjoyed a good lunch, but i wou because whenever for that, enjoyed a good lunch, but i wou because whenever anything but because whenever anything important simply important happened, he simply wasn't completely wasn't there. he is completely and utterly and a very and utterly useless and a very poor appointment. well before jacob's show , let's have a look jacob's show, let's have a look at the all important weather. hello it's aidan mcgivern here vitb— hello it's aidan mcgivern here vitb tbe— hello it's aidan mcgivern here vitb tbe ob— hello it's aidan mcgivern here with the gb news— it's aidan mcgivern here with the gb news forecast from the with the gb news forecast from tbe iist— with the gb news forecast from the met office. _ with the gb news forecast from the met office. a— with the gb news forecast from the met office. a change on the way— the met office. a change on the vav ver— the met office. a change on the vav tbe— the met office. a change on the way over the next— the met office. a change on the way over the next few days. rever— way over the next few days. fewer showers— way over the next few days. fewer showers and sunny ssniitisns— fewer showers and sunny conditions for— fewer showers and sunny conditions for many, it will tarn— conditions for many, it will tarn bstter— conditions for many, it will turn hotter in— conditions for many, it will turn hotter in south later, turn hotter in the south later, bat— turn hotter in the south later, bat tbere-ii— turn hotter in the south later, but there'll i some - turn hotter in the south later, but there'll some persistent but there'll be some persistent rai— but there'll be some persistent rain-nonb— but there'll be some persistent. rain-north-weekend rain in the north by the weekend as web. — rain in the north by the weekend as well. nevertheless showers on visinesiav. — as well. nevertheless showers on wednesday. soon— as well. nevertheless showers on wednesday. soon disappearing into wednesday. soon disappearing ints tbe— wednesday. soon disappearing ints tbe migbt— wednesday. soon disappearing into the night and then clear sbeiis— into the night and then clear sieiis by— into the night and then clear sieiis bv tbe— into the night and then clear spells by the time we wake up on ibarsiav— spells by the time we wake up on thursday, there— spells by the time we wake up on thursday, there will— spells by the time we wake up on thursday, there will be some iatsbv— thursday, there will be some iatsbv sisai— thursday, there will be some patchy cloud out— thursday, there will be some patchy cloud out there and temperatures— patchy cloud out there and temperatures won't fall much tartber— temperatures won't fall much tartber tban— temperatures won't fall much further than 13— temperatures won't fall much further than 13 to 15 celsius in

tbe— further than 13 to 15 celsius in tbe ssatb— further than 13 to 15 celsius in the south. perhaps the single tigares— the south. perhaps the single tigares in— the south. perhaps the single figures in the— the south. perhaps the single figures in the north a fresher teet— figures in the north a fresher feel compared— figures in the north a fresher feel compared to— figures in the north a fresher feel compared to the start of tbe— feel compared to the start of tbe vest— feel compared to the start of the week and— feel compared to the start of the week and compared to what's to some— the week and compared to what's to come heading— the week and compared to what's to come heading into the weekend vitb— to come heading into the weekend vitb sme— to come heading into the weekend vitb maggv— to come heading into the weekend with some muggy nights retarning— with some muggy nights returning. but plenty of sansbms— returning. but plenty of sunshine. thing on sunshine. first thing on ibarsiav— sunshine. first thing on thursday as— sunshine. first thing on thursday as the temperatures risev _ thursday as the temperatures -see — thursday as the temperatures bse-see tbe— thursday as the temperatures rise, see the shower rise, we'll see the shower sisais— rise, we'll see the shower clouds bubble— rise, we'll see the shower clouds bubble up once again. again— clouds bubble up once again. again tbese— clouds bubble up once again. again these will— clouds bubble up once again. again these will be hit and miss isvnosars— again these will be hit and miss downpours. some— again these will be hit and miss downpours. some thunderstorms out downpours. some thunderstorms sattbere— downpours. some thunderstorms sat tbere as— downpours. some thunderstorms out there as well. _ downpours. some thunderstorms out there as well. and most iiteiv— out there as well. and most likely affecting— out there as well. and most likely affecting northern ingiani— likely affecting northern england into— likely affecting northern england into the midlands, wales and england into the midlands, wales ant-angiia— england into the midlands, wales ant-angiia .— england into the midlands, wales and-anglia . away- england into the midlands, wales and anglia . away from and east anglia. away from tbese— and east anglia. away from these,-showers- and east anglia. away from these, showers will these, any showers will be tairiv— these, any showers will be fairly isolated.— these, any showers will be fairly isolated. temperatures bitting— fairly isolated. temperatures bitting zo— fairly isolated. temperatures hitting 29 celsius in the south—east— hitting 29 celsius in the south—east low to mid 20s fairly viieiv— south—east low to mid 20s fairly viieiv asrsss— south—east low to mid 20s fairly widely across the _ south—east low to mid 20s fairly widely across the uk and into ibarsiav— widely across the uk and into thursday nights. _ widely across the uk and into thursday nights. we keep that muggy— thursday nights. we keep that maggv test. — thursday nights. we keep that maggv test. in— thursday nights. we keep that muggy feel. in fact, it's a warmer night— muggy feel. in fact, it's a warmer night to come across the uk warmer night to come across the at iesbite— warmer night to come across the at iesiite iientv— warmer night to come across the uk despite plenty of clear skies out uk despite plenty of clear skies sat tbere. — uk despite plenty of clear skies out there. the— uk despite plenty of clear skies out there. the clouds will build in tbe— out there. the clouds will build in tbe vest— out there. the clouds will build in tbe west by— out there. the clouds will build in the west by the— out there. the clouds will build in the west by the end of the migbt— in the west by the end of the nigbt vitb— in the west by the end of the night with some— in the west by the end of the night with some showery rain for woman— night with some showery rain for northern ireland— night with some showery rain for northern ireland and in many biases— northern ireland and in many places temperatures holding up in-teens— places temperatures holding up in-teens ani- places temperatures holding up in teens and perhaps in the mid teens and perhaps somewhere like— in the mid teens and perhaps somewhere like london, 18 seisias. — somewhere like london, 18 seisiaslve— somewhere like london, 18 celsius. we start off friday celsius. so we start off friday vitb— celsius. so we start off friday vitb tbsse— celsius. so we start off friday with those outbreaks of rain iasbing— with those outbreaks of rain iasbing ints— with those outbreaks of rain pushing into western scotland ani— pushing into western scotland ani bsrtbern— pushing into western scotland

and northern ireland, showery rains— and northern ireland, showery rain-sme— and northern ireland, showery rain,-some heavy- and northern ireland, showery rain, some heavy bursts as rain, but some heavy bursts as vett— rain, but some heavy bursts as veiiltngiani— rain, but some heavy bursts as well-england and- rain, but some heavy bursts as well england and wales it's well for england and wales it's iargeiv— well for england and wales it's iargeiv irv— well for england and wales it's iargeiv irv at— well for england and wales it's largely dry at first with some sansbine— largely dry at first with some sunshine, but— largely dry at first with some sunshine, but parts of wales viii— sunshine, but parts of wales viii see— sunshine, but parts of wales will see some— sunshine, but parts of wales will see some showers move in by the will see some showers move in by tbs—tbis— the afternoon. all this associated— the afternoon. all this associated series the afternoon. all this- associated - series of associated with a series of beams— associated with a series of weather fronts _ associated with a series of weather fronts which are increasingly— weather fronts which are increasingly affecting the north and northwest— increasingly affecting the north and northwest of— increasingly affecting the north and northwest of the uk into the weekend.— and northwest of the uk into the weekend. they're— and northwest of the uk into the weekend. they're going to slide asrsss—bans- weekend. they're going to slide across _ parts with i across northwestern parts with bign— across northwestern parts with bigb-siinging- across northwestern parts with high clinging close to hiin pressure clinging close to the high pressure clinging close to tie ssatb— high pressure clinging close to the south. and— high pressure clinging close to the south. and that's means that tbere-ii— the south. and that's means that tbere-ii be— the south. and that's means that there'll be plenty— the south. and that's means that there'll be plenty of sunshine for there'll be plenty of sunshinei for—southeastern for southern and southeastern bans.— for southern and southeastern parts. ani— for southern and southeastern parts. and those— for southern and southeastern parts. and those temperatures viii— parts. and those temperatures viii reaiiv— parts. and those temperatures will really shoot— parts. and those temperatures will really shoot up up to 30 seisias— will really shoot up up to 30 seisias sr— will really shoot up up to 30 celsius or more— will really shoot up up to 30 celsius or more by.

good evening. the top story tonight on gb news, the us coastguard says it's expanding the search area where signals thought to sound out sos were detected earlier on today . as detected earlier on today. as everybody races to locate a