r , the clock is also story as well, the clock is also ticking for those poor people on that supposed that titan submersible supposed the oxygen ran out at around midday . we've got a press midday. we've got a press conference live on conference coming up live on this we will get more this show where we will get more details for in other news, details for you. in other news, we're going talking we're also going to be talking a lot, of about this . now, lot, of course, about this. now, should be made to cough should smokers be made to cough up their own megxit ical up for their own megxit ical care supposedly are going to be offered free lung scans. all right. but should smokers actually the for bill actually be footing the for bill their if their medical care themselves if indeed self inflicted indeed it's self inflicted illness and finally, in light of all economic bad news that all the economic bad news that we've been having, going to we've been having, i'm going to take a deep dive into some of the catastrophic waste of the epic catastrophic waste of pubuc the epic catastrophic waste of public money, hsz leads the list. i'm sure you can think of a few yourselves as well. that is all coming your way in the next 60 minutes . yeah we're all next 60 minutes. yeah we're all overit next 60 minutes. yeah we're all over it today. gb views a gb news .com. get those emails coming in. do you think it's time to sack the governor of the bank of england? but now it's your headlines. good

bank of england? but now it's your headlines . good afternoon. your headlines. good afternoon. it's your headlines. good afternoon. n-s 3:01. — your headlines. good afternoon. n-s 3:01. rm— your headlines. good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm rhiannon- ” : good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm rhiannon jones in the— it's 3:01. i'm rhiannon jones in the newsroom.— it's 3:01. i'm rhiannon jones in the newsroom. the— it's 3:01. i'm rhiannon jones in the newsroom. the bank of england— the newsroom. the bank of england has— the newsroom. the bank of england has increased the base rate— england has increased the base rate by— england has increased the base rate by hau— england has increased the base rate by half a— england has increased the base rate by half a percentage point to s.— rate by half a percentage point to s. n...— rate by half a percentage point to 5. the highest— rate by half a percentage point to 5. the highest rate in 15 years— to 5. the highest rate in 15 years as— to 5. the highest rate in 15 years as as— to 5. the highest rate in 15 years as it tries— to 5. the highest rate in 15 years as it tries to tackle ongoing— years as it tries to tackle ongoing pass— years as it tries to tackle ongoing price rises . the bank's ongoing price rises. the bank's governor, andrew— ongoing price rises. the bank's governor, andrew bailey, says inflation— governor, andrew bailey, says inflation as— governor, andrew bailey, says inflation is still— governor, andrew bailey, says inflation is still too high and mass— inflation is still too high and must be— inflation is still too high and must be dealt— inflation is still too high and must be dealt with. charles taylor— must be dealt with. charles taylor jeremy— must be dealt with. charles taylorjeremy hunt says the taylor jeremy hunt says the government's— taylor jeremy hunt says the government's resolve to bring inflation— government's resolve to bring inflation down _ government's resolve to bring inflation down is— government's resolve to bring inflation down is water tight. ass— inflation down is water tight. ass ans— inflation down is water tight. ass ans nan— inflation down is water tight. it's the 13th time in a row the bank— it's the 13th time in a row the bank nas— it's the 13th time in a row the bank has increased the interest nasa— bank has increased the interest nasa- snaaan— bank has increased the interest rate. shadow chancellor rachel reees— rate. shadow chancellor rachel reeves says— rate. shadow chancellor rachel reeves says the— rate. shadow chancellor rachel reeves says the government has rese— reeves says the government has vase sonnet— reeves says the government has lost control of— reeves says the government has lost control of the— reeves says the government has lost control of the economy . lost control of the economy. today— lost control of the economy. today is— lost control of the economy. ioday is an— lost control of the economy. today is an incredibly- lost control of the economy. today is an incredibly worrying time for many families right across the country who are concerned about what happens when they come off fixed term mortgage deals. already people were facing mortgage payments of £3,000 on average, more than the rates they were coming off of.

this is going to keep even more pain on ordinary working families . pain on ordinary working families. it's why today labour have set out a five point plan to help people with their mortgages , while amid rising mortgages, while amid rising inflation, as we heard there from rachel reeves , labour has from rachel reeves, labour has called on banks to provide support to homeowners facing mortgage payment difficulties. the party claims their five noini— the party claims their five ooini pian— the party claims their five point plan would allow borrowers to point plan would allow borrowers io svviien— point plan would allow borrowers do men io— point plan would allow borrowers to switch to interest only oaynenis— to switch to interest only oaynenis on— to switch to interest only payments or extend their nondade— payments or extend their mortgage terms. the government says— mortgage terms. the government says iendens— mortgage terms. the government says lenders are— mortgage terms. the government says lenders are already required— says lenders are already required to— says lenders are already required to engage with struggling— required to engage with struggling customers . labour struggling customers. labour deaden— struggling customers. labour ieadensin— struggling customers. labour leader sir keir— struggling customers. labour leader sir keir starmer says his party's— leader sir keir starmer says his pany-s pian— leader sir keir starmer says his pany-s plan viii— leader sir keir starmer says his party's plan will provide the eeaesd— party's plan will provide the secured parity— party's plan will provide the secured parity the country needs . vie-ne— secured parity the country needs . were doing— secured parity the country needs . were doing so— secured parity the country needs . we're going to take- secured parity the country needs . we're going to take this on. it's at the heart of everything and it shows our determination to fix the fundamentals. but make british inflation stickier . global shocks more painful way down on your profits and the living standards of our people . living standards of our people. that's the partnership . we offer that's the partnership. we offer a new plan for a new settlement

for renewal, not decline. the future, not the past . the future, not the past. the builders. not the blockers . as builders. not the blockers. as the search enters its critical phase two remotely operated vehicles are joining the for search the missing titan's submersible. the search the missing titan's submersible . the victor 6000, submersible. the victor 6000, nas— submersible. the victor 6000, nas ivo — submersible. the victor 6000, has two mechanic— the victor 6000, has two mechanic arms, which can say— has two mechanic arms, which can say odi— has two mechanic arms, which can say oni evineneiy— has two mechanic arms, which can carry out extremely delicate manoeuvres, such as cutting or removing— manoeuvres, such as cutting or removing debris.— manoeuvres, such as cutting or removing debris. a second povenai— removing debris. a second powerful rov,_ removing debris. a second powerful rov, juliet , is being powerful rov, juliet, is being down— powerful rov, juliet, is being iiovvn in— powerful rov, juliet, is being flown in from _ powerful rov, juliet, is being flown in from jersey . both can flown in from jersey. both can neaen— flown in from jersey. both can neaen ine— flown in from jersey. both can reach the seabed— flown in from jersey. both can reach the seabed and transmit inades— reach the seabed and transmit inades ro— reach the seabed and transmit images do ine— reach the seabed and transmit images to the surface on the us. coastguard— images to the surface on the us. coasidnand says— images to the surface on the us. coastguard says this remains an aeiive— coastguard says this remains an active seden— coastguard says this remains an active search and— coastguard says this remains an active search and rescue operation.— active search and rescue operation. five - active search and rescue operation. five people are inside— operation. five people are inside ine— operation. five people are inside the missing submersible inad— inside the missing submersible inai dosi— inside the missing submersible that lost contact— inside the missing submersible that lost contact on sunday. danisn— that lost contact on sunday. hamish harding— that lost contact on sunday. hamish harding is one of them. hamiin harding is one of them. his hamish harding is one of them. dis friend— hamish harding is one of them. his friend says— hamish harding is one of them. his friend says he— hamish harding is one of them. his friend says he didn't think the his friend says he didn't think one vessei— his friend says he didn't think the vessel was— his friend says he didn't think the vessel was safe. c the vessel was safe. i wasn't happy— the vessel was safe. i wasn't happy with some of the design, like the thrusters on the outside with the cables. there thought that was a snagging hazard. but what really did it for me was they flatly refuse to get any form of certification on.and

get any form of certification on. and it seemed that they had no intention of getting any certification for going down to those depths once acas, let alone several times . defence alone several times. defence secretary alone several times. defence seeneiany ren— alone several times. defence secretary ben wallace- c defence secretary ben wallace has ruled ninseii— secretary ben wallace has ruled ninseii odi— secretary ben wallace has ruled himself out of— secretary ben wallace has ruled himself out of the— secretary ben wallace has ruled himself out of the race to reconne— himself out of the race to become the _ himself out of the race to become the next nato chief. when asked— become the next nato chief. when asked anodi— become the next nato chief. when asked about leading the aiiianee— asked about leading the alliance, he— asked about leading the alliance, he told the economist he alliance, he told the economist ne vas— alliance, he told the economist he was withdrawing because of annesoived— he was withdrawing because of unresolved issues— he was withdrawing because of unresolved issues within the onganisaiion. — unresolved issues within the organisation. he— unresolved issues within the organisation. he also stated the us organisation. he also stated the ds vanis— organisation. he also stated the us vanis ine— organisation. he also stated the us wants the current secretary—general, jens stoltenberg _ secretary—general, jens stoltenberg ,- secretary—general, jens stoltenberg , to continue in the stoltenberg, to continue in the node.— stoltenberg, to continue in the node. des— stoltenberg, to continue in the node. de-s dae— stoltenberg, to continue in the role. he's due to— stoltenberg, to continue in the role. he's due to step down in senienien— role. he's due to step down in september for— role. he's due to step down in september for ukraine. the ukrainian— september for ukraine. the ukrainian intelligence and seeaniiy— ukrainian intelligence and security service has received information— security service has received information that— security service has received information that russia's considering— information that russia's considering an attack on the zaoonznznia— considering an attack on the zaporizhzhia nuclear power piano.— zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. president vladimir zeiensryy— plant. president vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine will snare— zelenskyy says ukraine will snane adi— zelenskyy says ukraine will share all available information vviin— share all available information van inein— share all available information with their global— share all available information with their global partners, vannind— with their global partners, warning radiation knows no naiionai— warning radiation knows no national borders and its hits oniy— national borders and its hits are only deterred . and he says are only deterred. and he says by are only deterred. and he says iy ine— are only deterred. and he says by the direction— are only deterred. and he says by the direction of the wind . a by the direction of the wind. a vino— by the direction of the wind. a

man who allegedly smuggled inoasands— man who allegedly smuggled thousands of— man who allegedly smuggled thousands of people from africa into— thousands of people from africa inio raiy— thousands of people from africa inio raiy nas— thousands of people from africa into italy has been— thousands of people from africa into italy has been arrested . into italy has been arrested. deve— into italy has been arrested. here in— into italy has been arrested. here in ine— into italy has been arrested. here in the uk.— into italy has been arrested. here in the uk. the 40 year old idypiian— here in the uk. the 40 year old egyptian national— here in the uk. the 40 year old egyptian national was detained in london— egyptian national was detained in iondon ny— egyptian national was detained in london by national crime agency— in london by national crime agency officers.— in london by national crime agency officers. he's now being questioned— agency officers. he's now being questioned on— agency officers. he's now being questioned on suspicion of facilitating— questioned on suspicion of facilitating illegal immigration . rind— facilitating illegal immigration . king charles— facilitating illegal immigration . king charles says the windrush generation— . king charles says the windrush denenaiion nas— . king charles says the windrush generation has made a significant— generation has made a significant difference to the uk , praising— significant difference to the uk , praising rs— significant difference to the uk , praising its legacy as profound— , praising its legacy as profound and permanent. 75 years after— profound and permanent. 75 years after ine— profound and permanent. 75 years after the first— profound and permanent. 75 years after the first crossing from ine— after the first crossing from the caribbean— after the first crossing from the caribbean ,_ after the first crossing from the caribbean , the king is among the caribbean, the king is among rnose— the caribbean, the king is among rnose ar— the caribbean, the king is among dose at a— the caribbean, the king is among those at a service— the caribbean, the king is among those at a service held at westminster— those at a service held at westminster excuse me, windsor casrie, — westminster excuse me, windsor casrie, narrind— westminster excuse me, windsor castle, marking the anniversary, a ir— castle, marking the anniversary, a er niiiion— castle, marking the anniversary, a £1 million fund— castle, marking the anniversary, a £1 million fund raising eiions— a £1 million fund raising efforts are— a £1 million fund raising efforts are also underway to ine— efforts are also underway to recover the anchor from the ship inat— recover the anchor from the ship rnar made— recover the anchor from the ship that made that— recover the anchor from the ship that made that crossing hmt empire. — that made that crossing hmt empire. windrush sank off the coast— empire. windrush sank off the coast oi— empire. windrush sank off the coast of algeria— empire. windrush sank off the coast of algeria in 1954, and ieen— coast of algeria in 1954, and tech billionaire— coast of algeria in 1954, and tech billionaire elon musk is picking— tech billionaire elon musk is picking a— tech billionaire elon musk is picking a igni— tech billionaire elon musk is picking a fight with mark zaererierd— picking a fight with mark zuckerberg and guess what? the itera— zuckerberg and guess what? the iiera doss— zuckerberg and guess what? the iiera ross is— zuckerberg and guess what? the meta boss is well— zuckerberg and guess what? the

meta boss is well up for it. mr mask— meta boss is well up for it. mr iiasr posted— meta boss is well up for it. mr musk posted on— meta boss is well up for it. mr musk posted on twitter that he reen— musk posted on twitter that he reen tor— musk posted on twitter that he was keen for a— musk posted on twitter that he was keen for a cage fight with mr zuckerberg, _ was keen for a cage fight with mr zuckerberg, the fellow tech iiiiionaire— mr zuckerberg, the fellow tech billionaire then _ mr zuckerberg, the fellow tech billionaire then replied, posting— billionaire then replied, posting a— billionaire then replied, posting a screen shot of the deer— posting a screen shot of the rvveer on— posting a screen shot of the tweet on instagram . of course, tweet on instagram. of course, vvirn— tweet on instagram. of course, vvirn ine— tweet on instagram. of course, with the caption,— tweet on instagram. of course, with the caption, send me ioearion. — with the caption, send me location. while— with the caption, send me location. while twitter's ceo responded,— location. while twitter's ceo responded, vegas octagon . that's responded, vegas octagon. that's a digni— responded, vegas octagon. that's aiidnr vie-re— responded, vegas octagon. that's a fight we're all— responded, vegas octagon. that's a fight we're all looking forward— a fight we're all looking forward to. _ a fight we're all looking forward to. this is gb news. vie-ii— forward to. this is gb news. vie-ii brind— forward to. this is gb news. we'll bring you— forward to. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it napoens.— we'll bring you more as it napoens. ron,— we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back ro— happens. now, though, it's back ro .— over to. patrick | reds- over to. patrick . let's get- over to. patrick let's get stuck in straight away, time to away, shall we? it is time to sack governor of the bank of sack the governor of the bank of england. bailey an england. andrew bailey is an ocean going who has made ocean going dud who has made millions of people's lives worse. deserves to be worse. he deserves to be metaphorically strung up in my view, is the bank of england. view, he is the bank of england. i suggest that we should i would suggest that we should put stocks and throw put him in the stocks and throw veg him. but thanks his veg at him. but thanks to his running the economy, nobody running of the economy, nobody can the slightly can afford even the slightly rotten the little rotten stuff in the little reduce main job of the

reduce dial. the main job of the bank of england keep bank of england is to keep inflation that 2% target. inflation below that 2% target. well, that's gone catastrophically wrong, hasn't it? coming. it? he didn't see it coming. he's asleep at the wheel he's been asleep at the wheel and not for first time. this and not for the first time. this numpty wants faced allegations and not for the first time. this nu actually nts faced allegations and not for the first time. this nu actually fallingzd allegations and not for the first time. this nu actually falling asleep|ations of actually falling asleep dunng of actually falling asleep during a meeting between campaigners acting on behalf of the british steel pension scheme and financial conduct and the financial conduct authority him failing to authority and of him failing to take swift action to protect those affected by what went on to become one of uk's to become one of the uk's biggest pension mis selling scandals. again millions of people suffered. there's a theme here, isn't there? big fat cat money, man can't be bothered so laid back he might as well be in a coma. not on top of his brief, doesn't do his job. millions become poorer this idiot can't even remember how much money he earns. it's somewhere in the region by the way. around £575,000 a year. when quizzed on his salary, he said he didn't carry that figure around in his head. carry that figure around in his head . no, he carries it around head. no, he carries it around in flipping wheelbarrows, doesn't he? britain deserves bayley's salary back , if you ask bayley's salary back, if you ask me. rents him millions of

ordinary people are going to have sell their house have to sell their house while so didn't see so should he. he didn't see inflation coming. he's been appalling throughout the cost of living lagging living crisis. we're now lagging behind the thanks to him. behind the world thanks to him. he told people to not ask he even told people to not ask for rise, reportedly reach for a pay rise, reportedly reach into his bank account, make him feel the pain that everybody else is. and that twerp, else is. and as for that twerp, hugh bank of england's hugh pill, the bank of england's chief on all chief economist, he's on all most 200 k, reportedly a apparently as well. got a nice £1.5 million pound in london. he said that people need to accept being poorer. well look, if bailey was a football manager , bailey was a football manager, he'd have been sacked ages ago. if was the family dog, he'd if he was the family dog, he'd had been taken on one last trip to annoyingly the to the vet. annoyingly obe the only way he be sacked, only way he can be sacked, apparently, sunak apparently, is if rishi sunak doesit apparently, is if rishi sunak does it himself. rishi does it himself. well, rishi sacked him. get him gone, sack the bank of england, ditch the dud . well there we go. i just dud. well there we go. i just want to ask what you think about all of this as well. gb views gb news .com. get your views coming in thick and fast on this. when you see the economic numbers dropping today, what i need to

know is whether or not you actually feel poorer, whether or not who you not you blame anyone who you think is to blame. gb think really is to blame. gb views gb news .com. but i am joined now. i am joined now live in the studio by dr. roger giwa, who is the former adviser of the bank of england in the uk treasury. now have i been too strong there? no i honestly don't think so . i mean, our 13 don't think so. i mean, our 13 eonseeairve— don't think so. i mean, our 13 consecutive interest- i:i:::i c i mean, our 13 consecutive interest rate rise in a— consecutive interest rate rise in a dirtie— consecutive interest rate rise in a little over— consecutive interest rate rise in a little over a— consecutive interest rate rise in a little over a year, taking us in a little over a year, taking as ro— in a little over a year, taking as to ero— in a little over a year, taking us to 5% people— in a little over a year, taking us to 5% people say, well, wait a minare— us to 5% people say, well, wait a minute, you— us to 5% people say, well, wait a minute, you know, interest rares— a minute, you know, interest rates id,— a minute, you know, interest rates were 14, 15% in the 80s. hey— rates were 14, 15% in the 80s. hey you— rates were 14, 15% in the 80s. hey you know,— rates were 14, 15% in the 80s. hey you know, calm down. well you— hey you know, calm down. well you know,— hey you know, calm down. well you know, read— hey you know, calm down. well you know, read the— hey you know, calm down. well you know, read the leeds raiding— you know, read the leeds building society and the other reports— building society and the other reports inat— building society and the other reports that have— building society and the other reports that have come out and said— reports that have come out and said inat— reports that have come out and said rnar a— reports that have come out and said that a 6.4%_ reports that have come out and said that a 6.4% mortgage today is ine— said that a 6.4% mortgage today is the equivalent— said that a 6.4% mortgage today is the equivalent of a 25.7% mortgage— is the equivalent of a 25.7% mortgage in— is the equivalent of a 25.7% mortgage in 1980. tell me about rnose— mortgage in1980. tell me about rnose dood— mortgage in 1980. tell me about inose dood oid— mortgage in 1980. tell me about those good old days. hey, i mean ,rnis— those good old days. hey, i mean dis is— those good old days. hey, i mean , this is outrageous.— those good old days. hey, i mean , this is outrageous. and both mr naiiey— , this is outrageous. and both

mr naiiey and— , this is outrageous. and both mr bailey and the old lady of threadneedle_ mr bailey and the old lady of threadneedle street, patrick, rney-ve— threadneedle street, patrick, rney-ve doin— threadneedle street, patrick, they've both got— threadneedle street, patrick, they've both got form in this. raiiey— they've both got form in this. naiiey nas— they've both got form in this. bailey has been— they've both got form in this. bailey has been criticise ised for bailey has been criticise ised ior iosind— bailey has been criticise ised for losing people billions by acting— for losing people billions by acting roo— for losing people billions by acting too slowly when he was running— acting too slowly when he was running rne — acting too slowly when he was running the financial conduct rarnoriry— running the financial conduct rarnoriry in— running the financial conduct authority in the— running the financial conduct authority in the woodford crisis in rne— authority in the woodford crisis in the london— authority in the woodford crisis in the london and capital crisis vvnere— in the london and capital crisis vvnere rney— in the london and capital crisis vvnere rney say— in the london and capital crisis where they say he— in the london and capital crisis where they say he should have acted— where they say he should have acted daierer— where they say he should have acted quicker and— where they say he should have acted quicker and the bank of indiand— acted quicker and the bank of england believe— acted quicker and the bank of england believe it or not, as iono— england believe it or not, as done ado— england believe it or not, as done ago as— england believe it or not, as long ago as the— england believe it or not, as long ago as the 1840s reacted roo— long ago as the 1840s reacted to sioviy— long ago as the 1840s reacted to sioviy .— long ago as the 1840s reacted roo sioviy , ne— long ago as the 1840s reacted too slowly , he didn't foresee too slowly, he didn't foresee iniiarion— too slowly, he didn't foresee inflation and _ too slowly, he didn't foresee inflation and then did what naiiey— inflation and then did what naiiey is— inflation and then did what bailey is doing— inflation and then did what bailey is doing now, piled on a siev— bailey is doing now, piled on a siev oi— bailey is doing now, piled on a slew of interest— bailey is doing now, piled on a slew of interest rate rises and vreered— slew of interest rate rises and vvreered rne— slew of interest rate rises and wrecked the economy. so it's not the wrecked the economy. so it's not rne rinsi— wrecked the economy. so it's not rne first time— wrecked the economy. so it's not the first time that— wrecked the economy. so it's not the first time that it's naooened.— the first time that it's happened. and the other thing is this happened. and the other thing is dis is— happened. and the other thing is dis is cosi— happened. and the other thing is this is cost push— happened. and the other thing is this is cost push inflation. in orner— this is cost push inflation. in one words— this is cost push inflation. in other words ,_ this is cost push inflation. in other words , in— this is cost push inflation. in other words , in earth language, other words, in earth language, not consumer driven. we're trying— not consumer driven. we're trying ro— not consumer driven. we're trying to decide— not consumer driven. we're trying to decide between heating and eating— trying to decide between heating and eating .— trying to decide between heating and eating . nobody's and eating. nobody's overspending like they are in the overspending like they are in rne stares— overspending like they are in the states where _ overspending like they are in the states where inflation has been— the states where inflation has been naived— the states where inflation has been halved by— the states where inflation has been halved by rising interest rares— been halved by rising interest rates .— been halved by rising interest rares . inat— been halved by rising interest rates . that doesn't work here. rates. that doesn't work here. t hey— rates. that doesn't work here. iney adi— rates. that doesn't work here. iney aii rnovv— rates. that doesn't work here. they all know this. but these guys— they all know this. but these guys ,_ they all know this. but these guys , iney-re — they all know this. but these guys , they're almost kind of guys, they're almost kind of ioisvvorrn—

guys, they're almost kind of jobsworth earth.— guys, they're almost kind of jobsworth earth. they're sitting aond— jobsworth earth. they're sitting around thinking— jobsworth earth. they're sitting around thinking if they don't rake— around thinking if they don't take some— around thinking if they don't take some action, they'll be oririeised. — take some action, they'll be criticised. so _ take some action, they'll be criticised. so they might as veri— criticised. so they might as veii do— criticised. so they might as well do this. _ criticised. so they might as well do this. and the government, rishi and the others , ne— government, rishi and the others , ne vas— government, rishi and the others , ne insi— government, rishi and the others , he was just backing them , he was just on backing them up- — , he was just on backing them an. i— , he was just on backing them no. i mean— , he was just on backing them no. i ids— , he was just on backing them up. i mean, it's insanity. we doing— up. i mean, it's insanity. we are going deeper— up. i mean, it's insanity. we are going deeper and deeper into are going deeper and deeper into a dark— are going deeper and deeper into a dark pood— are going deeper and deeper into a dark nooi oi— are going deeper and deeper into a dark pool of madness. yeah rnere-s— a dark pool of madness. yeah rnere-s rair— a dark pool of madness. yeah there's talk now— a dark pool of madness. yeah there's talk now of a conscious eer— there's talk now of a conscious recession. get this- there's talk now of a conscious recession. cr; ” g there's talk now of a conscious recession. cc; g recession. get this right, you might as well learn this phrase very well , that a conscious very well, that a conscious recession, which sounds like it takes the edge off it. well, we're conscious in a recession now. we're doing this deliberately. very fact deliberately. but the very fact that to have this that we're having to have this conversation millions of conversation now, as millions of people, you said, are people, as you said, are choosing between heating and eating, people eating, millions of people are about absolute clobbered eating, millions of people are abousome absolute clobbered eating, millions of people are abou some kind olute clobbered eating, millions of people are abousome kind ofite clobbered eating, millions of people are abousome kind of epic obbered eating, millions of people are abousome kind of epic mortgage with some kind of epic mortgage payment they probably can't payment that they probably can't pay- 9° payment that they probably can't pay. go to their local pay. they go to their local shops, they see what the price of they've of food is in there. they've got security goodness sake, security tags for goodness sake, on and cheese and on milk cartons and cheese and butter and then you look at this guy and you just think how have you actually done your job? well, i've been saying this for overlyear— well, i've been saying this for overlyear since— well, i've been saying this for over year since the first rate over a year since the first rate voa — over a year since the first rate you do — over a year since the first rate rise. you do not— over a year since the first rate rise. you do not raise interest rares— rise. you do not raise interest rates in— rise. you do not raise interest rates in rne— rise. you do not raise interest rates in the face— rise. you do not raise interest rates in the face of non

consumer inflation. when people are consumer inflation. when people spending— consumer inflation. when people spending roo— consumer inflation. when people are spending too much, you raise interest— are spending too much, you raise interest rates— are spending too much, you raise interest rates, you _ are spending too much, you raise interest rates, you don't crush tnen — interest rates, you don't crush tnen and— interest rates, you don't crush them and this— interest rates, you don't crush them and this is— interest rates, you don't crush them and this is just insane. nat— them and this is just insane. rat tney— them and this is just insane. but they won't— them and this is just insane. but they won't listen in now. t hey— but they won't listen in now. they wont— but they won't listen in now. they won't listen— but they won't listen in now. they won't listen and- but they won't listen in now. they won't listen and what strikes me is a staggering lack of creativity. it's something i'm going to talk about a little bit later on. philip hammond's spreadsheet. phil, he's crawled back his rock, back out from under his rock, hasn't was talking about hasn't he? he was talking about well, know, one thing that well, you know, one thing that well, you know, one thing that we solve the old we could do to solve the old mortgage crisis would be to increase . for increase immigration. for goodness this all goodness sake. is this all they've into they've got it. let's go into recessionilet's_ they've got it. let's go into recessionilet's have- gist g let's go into recession let's have an induced recession. let's have an induced recession. coma for— recession. let's have an induced recession. coma for britain. tet-s— recession. coma for britain. let's immigration. let's increase immigration. tet-s— let's increase immigration. tet-s do— let's increase immigration. tet-s do tne— let's increase immigration. let's do the opposite of all of sonat— let's do the opposite of all of sanar rive— let's do the opposite of all of sunak five points.— let's do the opposite of all of sunak five points. i interviewed rigei— sunak five points. i interviewed riget tarage— sunak five points. i interviewed nigel farage the— sunak five points. i interviewed nigel farage the other day on the nigel farage the other day on tne sang-est— nigel farage the other day on the subject of— nigel farage the other day on the subject of why . why do we the subject of why. why do we nave— the subject of why. why do we nave spen— the subject of why. why do we have such bad— the subject of why. why do we have such bad leadership ? you have such bad leadership? you eoogte— have such bad leadership? you can google that— have such bad leadership? you can google that and listen to his can google that and listen to nis answers— can google that and listen to nis .— can google that and listen to his answers . look, can google that and listen to his answers. look, i can google that and listen to his answers . look, i know we his answers. look, i know we don-t— his answers. look, i know we dont nave— his answers. look, i know we dont nave a— his answers. look, i know we don't have a lot— his answers. look, i know we don't have a lot of time. i just want— don't have a lot of time. i just want to— don't have a lot of time. i just want to say— don't have a lot of time. i just want to say there _ don't have a lot of time. i just want to say there are some tnings— want to say there are some tnings-tne— want to say there are some things the government could things that the government could do. things that the government could do-interesting- things that the government could do. interesting that do. and it's interesting that tatoar— do. and it's interesting thati tatoar—saying labour is standing by saying notiing— labour is standing by saying nothing-should. labour is standing by saying. nothing.-should they? nothing. well, why should they? inis— nothing. well, why should they? inislgoing— nothing. well, why should they? inislgoing to— nothing. well, why should they? this-going to fall— nothing. well, why should they? this going to fall into their this is going to fall into their ldid,— this is going to fall into their tap, isn-t— this is going to fall into their tap, isn-t ite— this is going to fall into their lap, isn't it? here's what the government— lap, isn't it? here's what the government should do. very

government should do. i'm very sorry.— government should do. i'm very sorry—to- sorry. i've got no i've got to toot— sorry. i've got no i've got to took at— sorry. i've got no i've got to took at my— sorry. i've got no i've got to look at my list. - sorry. i've got no i've got to look at my list. i:i:::i look at my list. let's do this. let's i want to let's do this. because i want to know you think. you clearly know what you think. you clearly have on. what have your head screwed on. what should now? there's a should we do now? there's a bunch should we do now? there's a tanenltnings— should we do now? there's a bunch .things-could. should we do now? there's a| bunch-things-could be bunch of things that could be done— bunch of things that could be done in— bunch of things that could be done in an— bunch of things that could be done in an afternoon in in a week— done in an afternoon in in a week vnien— done in an afternoon in in a week vnien .— done in an afternoon in in a week which , unlike monetary week which, unlike monetary potiey— week which, unlike monetary potiey .— week which, unlike monetary potiey , in— week which, unlike monetary policy , in other— week which, unlike monetary policy , in other words, in earth policy, in other words, in earth tain— policy, in other words, in earth pgp, praying— policy, in other words, in earth talk, playing with— policy, in other words, in earth talk, playing with interest rates— talk, playing with interest rates up— talk, playing with interest rates up and— talk, playing with interest rates up and down takes two years— rates up and down takes two years to— rates up and down takes two years to vort— rates up and down takes two years to work through these vvoaid— years to work through these voatd vort— years to work through these would work straight away. okay. so would work straight away. okay. so i-ve— would work straight away. okay. so he got— would work straight away. okay. so he got to— would work straight away. okay. so i've got to look— would work straight away. okay. so i've got to look at my list numeri— so i've got to look at my list number one, they— so i've got to look at my list number one, they need to put pressure on the— number one, they need to put pressure on the bank of england to not— pressure on the bank of england to not aise— pressure on the bank of england to not raise interest rates any nayte— to not raise interest rates any more, maybe even bring them down— more, maybe even bring them down tate— more, maybe even bring them down, take your— more, maybe even bring them down, take your foot off our ruddy— down, take your foot off our ruddy throat,— down, take your foot off our ruddy throat, for— down, take your foot off our ruddy throat, for god's sake . ruddy throat, for god's sake. etay. — ruddy throat, for god's sake. okay. it— ruddy throat, for god's sake. okay. it needs— ruddy throat, for god's sake. okay. it needs to— ruddy throat, for god's sake. okay. it needs to reduce vat tenporarity— okay. it needs to reduce vat tenporarity .— okay. it needs to reduce vat temporarily . it— okay. it needs to reduce vat temporarily . it needs to reduce temporarily. it needs to reduce the temporarily. it needs to reduce tne nage— temporarily. it needs to reduce the huge government tax take of sorneties— the huge government tax take of sorneties so— the huge government tax take of sometimes 50 to— the huge government tax take of sometimes 50 to 80% on petrol and— sometimes 50 to 80% on petrol and diesei— sometimes 50 to 80% on petrol and diesel oil— sometimes 50 to 80% on petrol and diesel oil temporarily. it needs— and diesel oil temporarily. it needs to— and diesel oil temporarily. it needs to uncouple the price of eteetrieity— needs to uncouple the price of electricity from _ needs to uncouple the price of electricity from the totally ainost— electricity from the totally almost totally _ electricity from the totally almost totally irrelevant, much more expensive _ almost totally irrelevant, much more expensive price of gas. our eieetrieity— more expensive price of gas. our eteetrieity is— more expensive price of gas. our electricity is priced— more expensive price of gas. our electricity is priced off of gas

vnien— electricity is priced off of gas vnien ratin— electricity is priced off of gas which putin manipulates and paying— which putin manipulates and paying tar— which putin manipulates and we're paying far more. we it's estimated— we're paying far more. we it's estinated ty— we're paying far more. we it's estimated by one— we're paying far more. we it's estimated by one think tank we nave— estimated by one think tank we nave paid— estimated by one think tank we nave paid in— estimated by one think tank we have paid £7.2 billion in excess eieetrie— have paid £7.2 billion in excess eieetrie city— have paid £7.2 billion in excess electric city charges in the tast— electric city charges in the iast ze— electric city charges in the last 24 months. - electric city charges in the last 24 months. they need to aneoapie— last 24 months. they need to aneoapie as— last 24 months. they need to uncouple us and— last 24 months. they need to uncouple us and charge what our eieetrieity— uncouple us and charge what our electricity really— uncouple us and charge what our electricity really is. _ uncouple us and charge what our electricity really is. if you don-t— electricity really is. if you don't believe _ electricity really is. if you don't believe me, folks, go to tne— don't believe me, folks, go to the national— don't believe me, folks, go to the national grid. they have a try..— the national grid. they have a gyg, reat— the national grid. they have a live, real time— the national grid. they have a live, real time online clock tnat— live, real time online clock tnat snows— live, real time online clock that shows you— live, real time online clock that shows you where our eteetrieity— that shows you where our electricity is— that shows you where our electricity is coming from. and yon-it— electricity is coming from. and yon-ii see— electricity is coming from. and you'll see some— electricity is coming from. and you'll see some days 10% from gas,— you'll see some days 10% from gas 20,— you'll see some days 10% from gas, 20, not— you'll see some days 10% from gas, 20, not 100.— you'll see some days 10% from gas, 20, not 100. why are we paying— gas, 20, not 100. why are we paying att— gas, 20, not 100. why are we paying att tnat— gas, 20, not 100. why are we paying all that money? they eoatd— paying all that money? they eoaid do— paying all that money? they could do that— paying all that money? they could do that in— paying all that money? they could do that in an afternoon . could do that in an afternoon. they— could do that in an afternoon. iney need— could do that in an afternoon. iney need to— could do that in an afternoon. they need to defer hottie hunts. ridieaioas— they need to defer hottie hunts. ridieaioas i— they need to defer hottie hunts. ridiculous i mean,— they need to defer hottie hunts. ridiculous i mean, the picture of ridiculous i mean, the picture ot nin— ridiculous i mean, the picture of him smiling,— ridiculous i mean, the picture of him smiling, announcing wait a mime..— of him smiling, announcing wait a minute, wait— of him smiling, announcing wait a minute, wait a— of him smiling, announcing wait a minute, wait a minute. isn't tnis— a minute, wait a minute. isn't tnis tne— a minute, wait a minute. isn't tnis tne guy— a minute, wait a minute. isn't this the guy who— a minute, wait a minute. isn't this the guy who said, i want to be time— this the guy who said, i want to be prime minister— this the guy who said, i want to be prime minister and i promise you a— be prime minister and i promise you a corporation— be prime minister and i promise you a corporation tax rate of rate— you a corporation tax rate of rape rean— you a corporation tax rate of 12.5.7 yeah. and— you a corporation tax rate of 12.5? yeah. and then all of a sudden— 12.5? yeah. and then all of a sudden it— 12.5? yeah. and then all of a sudden it became 25, and he said,— sudden it became 25, and he said, tnis— sudden it became 25, and he said, tits is— sudden it became 25, and he said, this is the— sudden it became 25, and he said, this is the greatest thing sie— said, this is the greatest thing siieed— said, this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. guys is annoneing— since sliced bread. guys is announcing corporation tax announcing this corporation tax rate— announcing this corporation tax rate eat— announcing this corporation tax rate eat at— announcing this corporation tax rate eat at a— announcing this corporation tax rate cut at a time— announcing this corporation tax rate cut at a time like this . rate cut at a time like this. and— rate cut at a time like this. and-cost- rate cut at a time like this. and-cost ot- rate cut at a time like this.| and-cost of living and the worst cost of living crisis— and the worst cost of living crisis we've ever— and the worst cost of living crisis we've ever experienced. tor— crisis we've ever experienced. tor-sate— crisis we've ever experienced. tor-sate .— crisis we've ever experienced. for-sake , defer- crisis we've ever experienced. for-sake , defer it,- crisis we've ever experienced. for sake , defer it, man, for god's sake, defer it, man, antit— for god's sake, defer it, man,

antii vie-re— for god's sake, defer it, man, until we're through this. yes, corporations— until we're through this. yes, corporations should pay. they snoatd— corporations should pay. they should contribute . but it's just should contribute. but it's just going— should contribute. but it's just going to— should contribute. but it's just going to te— should contribute. but it's just going to be passed to on us. i said— going to be passed to on us. i said on— going to be passed to on us. i said on nigel's_ going to be passed to on us. i said on nigel's show , these said on nigel's show, these peopte— said on nigel's show, these peopte are— said on nigel's show, these peopte so— said on nigel's show, these people are so stupid they can't past— people are so stupid they can't past tneir— people are so stupid they can't see past their nose. don't they know— see past their nose. don't they rnovv tnree — see past their nose. don't they know three -from - see past their nose. don't they know three from now, the know three weeks from now, the tax eat— know three weeks from now, the tax eat tav— know three weeks from now, the tax cut tax increase— know three weeks from now, the tax cut tax increase will be added — tax cut tax increase will be added to — tax cut tax increase will be added to our— tax cut tax increase will be added to our prices . so that's added to our prices. so that's tne— added to our prices. so that's tne tast— added to our prices. so that's the last thing— added to our prices. so that's the last thing that they should do. toot,— the last thing that they should do. look, you've— the last thing that they should do. look, you've handed those in atternoon— do. look, you've handed those in one afternoon an— do. look, you've handed those in one afternoon an it— do. look, you've handed those in one afternoon an it would take titiions— one afternoon an it would take tittions ott— one afternoon an it would take billions off the— one afternoon an it would take billions off the cost of living . it— billions off the cost of living . it vapid— billions off the cost of living . it would take— billions off the cost of living . it would take action- billions off the cost of living . it would take action that would take action that would take people actually getting off their backsides and having a backbone and going and doing something because i'm sorry, but right looking around the right now i'm looking around the country just thinking country and i'm just thinking that crucially and that people crucially and this is big you know, that is the big thing, you know, that old thing about, oh, well, maybe the people have the young people can just have one cocktails one less rooftop cocktails somewhere around soho. yeah, all right. true for right. that was true for a while. oh, those people. maybe they should give up and they should give up the and the booze. right, fine. booze. yeah all right, fine. but actually, now, millions of people doing wrong. people are doing nothing wrong. absolutely and absolutely nothing wrong. and they being badly, badly run they are being badly, badly run . we're going to have to leave it. we're going to have to leave

it. we're going to have to leave it. i could talk to you all day, but what to start the but what a way to start the show. you very much, show. thank you very much, dr. roger thank you. former roger globsec. thank you. former advisor to the of england. roger globsec. thank you. former advisyou» the of england. roger globsec. thank you. former advisyou wish of england. roger globsec. thank you. former advisyou wish he of england. roger globsec. thank you. former advisyou wish he was england. roger globsec. thank you. former advisyou wish he was there. nd. roger globsec. thank you. former advisyou wish he was there. now i bet you wish he was there. now don't you? and of course, former advisor to uk treasury. don't you? and of course, former advislheo uk treasury. don't you? and of course, former advislhe mentionedeasury. don't you? and of course, former advislhe mentioned nigel. don't you? and of course, former advislhe mentioned nigel there look, he mentioned nigel there a little we're going little bit later on we're going to from nigel farage. to be hearing from nigel farage. he absolutely andrew he has absolutely slated andrew bailey believe we bailey. in fact, i believe we might be able to hear him now. can we? the economic incompetence- cr?" , the economic incompetence which this incompetence for which this country— incompetence for which this country-being- incompetence for which this country being led beggars country is now being led beggars tetiet— country is now being led beggars belief. andrew— country is now being led beggars belief. andrew bailey, the governor of _ belief. andrew bailey, the governor of the bank of england, rnovvn— governor of the bank of england, known as— governor of the bank of england, known as andrew,— governor of the bank of england, known as andrew, out to lunch. raiiey— known as andrew, out to lunch. bailey because _ known as andrew, out to lunch. bailey because he's never around vnen— bailey because he's never around vnen-need— bailey because he's never around vnen-need-wny- bailey because he's never around when need why was as when you need him. why was as nead— when you need him. why was as read ot— when you need him. why was as head of-regulator_ when you need him. why was as head of regulator someone head of the regulator someone vno— head of the regulator someone vvno pat— head of the regulator someone vvno put in— head of the regulator someone who put in place— head of the regulator someone who put in place legislation tnat— who put in place legislation that effectively— who put in place legislation that effectively damaged the pensions— that effectively damaged the pensions ot— that effectively damaged the pensions of every single one of your— pensions of every single one of yous-rons— pensions of every single one of your-eons .— pensions of every single one of you?-boris , for- pensions of every single one of you? boris , for some crazy you? then boris, for some crazy gave nin— you? then boris, for some crazy reason, gave him the top job at the reason, gave him the top job at tne rant— reason, gave him the top job at tne rant ot— reason, gave him the top job at the bank of england. he didn't see—onen- the bank of england. he didn't see—vnen itl see inflation coming when it started.— see inflation coming when it started. de— see inflation coming when it started. he said— see inflation coming when it started. he said it was transitory— started. he said it was transitory .— started. he said it was transitory . he didn't put rates transitory. he didn't put rates up and— transitory. he didn't put rates up and because— transitory. he didn't put rates up and because of that, our intiation— up and because of that, our inflation rate— up and because of that, our inflation rate is— up and because of that, our inflation rate is now higher tnan— inflation rate is now higher tnan tnat— inflation rate is now higher than that. in— inflation rate is now higher than that. in europe and in america.— than that. in europe and in america. and— than that. in europe and in america. and now rates are going to soar— america. and now rates are going to and— america. and now rates are going to soar. and anybody with

borrowings— to soar. and anybody with borrowings going to pay the borrowings is going to pay the price — borrowings is going to pay the price .ttore— borrowings is going to pay the price.-bloke is— borrowings is going to pay the price.-bloke is a- borrowings is going to pay the price. bloke is a total price. this bloke is a total incompetent.— price. this bloke is a total incompetent. we needed a rreviteer— incompetent. we needed a brexiteer as— incompetent. we needed a brexiteer as governor of the tant— brexiteer as governor of the tank ot— brexiteer as governor of the bank of england. someone tetieved— bank of england. someone believed in— bank of england. someone believed in making us competitive. - believed in making us competitive. he is no good . it competitive. he is no good. it is time— competitive. he is no good. it is time ne— competitive. he is no good. it is time he was— competitive. he is no good. it is time he was sacked. it is gm..— is time he was sacked. it is gag, risni — is time he was sacked. it is time, rishi to— is time he was sacked. it is time, rishi to ditch the dud. trov— time, rishi to ditch the dud. vvovv — time, rishi to ditch the dud. vvovv aet— time, rishi to ditch the dud. wow get your— time, rishi to ditch the dud. wow [lilo " . time, rishi to ditch the dud. wow cit " . ci?" g time, rishi to ditch the dud. wow cit;c " . ci?" g t“ wow get your views coming in. ditch the dud sack the bank of england gbviews@gbnews.com. but we are the people's channel, so we are the people's channel, so we want to hear how today's interest rate rise is affecting you. and maybe, just maybe, people like andrew bailey can really have a look at this. okay. let's cross now to our north—west of england, reporter sophie doing sophie reaper, who's been doing stellar stuff for us in the wonderful city manchester. wonderful city of manchester. sophie, you very much. sophie, thank you very much. right. okay. i'm just going to throw it to you. sophie throw it over to you. sophie what's happening you are? what's happening where you are? who got? how are they who have you got? how are they feeling? thank you very much, patrick. we are back with our vondertai— patrick. we are back with our wonderful people's- t we are back with our wonderful people's panel here in vvitnensnav— wonderful people's panel here in withenshaw in— wonderful people's panel here in withenshaw in manchester. like you say,— withenshaw in manchester. like you say, tet-s— withenshaw in manchester. like you say, let's dive— withenshaw in manchester. like you say, let's dive straight into— you say, let's dive straight into it— you say, let's dive straight into it .— you say, let's dive straight into it. hendrix, i would like to near— into it. hendrix, i would like to hear more— into it. hendrix, i would like to hear more about you. run a

noeessnessi— to hear more about you. run a homelessness charity called cottee— homelessness charity called cottee tor— homelessness charity called coffee for craig. _ homelessness charity called coffee for craig. you obviously on a day— coffee for craig. you obviously on a day to— coffee for craig. you obviously on a day to day— coffee for craig. you obviously on a day to day basis, will be working— on a day to day basis, will be working witn— on a day to day basis, will be working with and— on a day to day basis, will be working with and seeing people vno— working with and seeing people vvno are— working with and seeing people who are obviously— working with and seeing people who are obviously facing this to the who are obviously facing this to tne etree— who are obviously facing this to the extreme. we've seen intiation— the extreme. we've seen inflation remaining the same . inflation remaining the same. vie-ve— inflation remaining the same. we've seen interest rates have now risen . what— we've seen interest rates have now risen . what kind of impact now risen. what kind of impact is tnat— now risen. what kind of impact is tnat going— now risen. what kind of impact is tnat going to— now risen. what kind of impact is that going to have ? uh, our is that going to have? uh, our service— is that going to have? uh, our service is— is that going to have? uh, our service is going— is that going to have? uh, our service is going to be overwhelmed . it's as simple as overwhelmed. it's as simple as tnat.— overwhelmed. it's as simple as tnat. wnen— overwhelmed. it's as simple as that. when people— overwhelmed. it's as simple as that. when people have got to mate— that. when people have got to mate a— that. when people have got to make a choice— that. when people have got to make a choice between food and tied— make a choice between food and taei or— make a choice between food and taei or or— make a choice between food and tnet or or paying— make a choice between food and fuel or or paying rent or staying— fuel or or paying rent or staying in— fuel or or paying rent or staying in a— fuel or or paying rent or staying in a job. you know, this tnese— staying in a job. you know, this tnese are— staying in a job. you know, this tnese tne— staying in a job. you know, this these are the kind— staying in a job. you know, this these are the kind of day to day decisions— these are the kind of day to day decisions people— these are the kind of day to day decisions people are having to mate— decisions people are having to make now. and— decisions people are having to make now. and we should never be taeed— make now. and we should never be taeed witn— make now. and we should never be faced with making— make now. and we should never be faced with making those sort of decisions.— faced with making those sort of decisions. you— faced with making those sort of decisions. you everybody should be decisions. you everybody should te atte— decisions. you everybody should be aide to— decisions. you everybody should be able to work— decisions. you everybody should be able to work for— decisions. you everybody should be able to work for a living and dive— be able to work for a living and dive and,— be able to work for a living and dive and, you— be able to work for a living and live and, you know,— be able to work for a living and live and, you know, live to work and— live and, you know, live to work and not— live and, you know, live to work and not vort— live and, you know, live to work and not work to— live and, you know, live to work and not work to live and if peopte— and not work to live and if peopte are— and not work to live and if peopte yon— and not work to live and if people are, you know, 2 or 3 tots— people are, you know, 2 or 3 tots tast— people are, you know, 2 or 3 tots inst to— people are, you know, 2 or 3 jobs just to keep— people are, you know, 2 or 3 jobs just to keep their head above— jobs just to keep their head above water,— jobs just to keep their head above water, unless something reaity— above water, unless something reatty drastic— above water, unless something really drastic is— above water, unless something really drastic is done, services tite— really drastic is done, services iire oars— really drastic is done, services iire are— really drastic is done, services like ours are just— really drastic is done, services like ours are just going to become—

like ours are just going to become completely overwhelmed. ana— become completely overwhelmed. and, you— become completely overwhelmed. and, you know— become completely overwhelmed. and, you rnovv ,— become completely overwhelmed. and, you know, i— become completely overwhelmed. and, you know , i think the and, you know, i think the protien — and, you know, i think the protten is— and, you know, i think the problem is we're finding with the problem is we're finding with tne rate— problem is we're finding with tne rate ot— problem is we're finding with the rate of inflation going up and— the rate of inflation going up and tne— the rate of inflation going up and the cost— the rate of inflation going up and the cost of— the rate of inflation going up and the cost of living going up eonstantiy,— and the cost of living going up constantly, we— and the cost of living going up constantly, we the donations are not going— constantly, we the donations are not going up,— constantly, we the donations are not going up, out— constantly, we the donations are not going up, but we're having to keep— not going up, but we're having to reep oar— not going up, but we're having to keep our staff— not going up, but we're having to keep our staff employed . so to keep our staff employed. so tneretore,— to keep our staff employed. so therefore, we're _ to keep our staff employed. so therefore, we're having to our cost— therefore, we're having to our cost ot— therefore, we're having to our cost ot running— therefore, we're having to our cost of running and operating is going— cost of running and operating is going up— cost of running and operating is going up .— cost of running and operating is going up . oar— cost of running and operating is going up . our staff wages are going up. our staff wages are trying— going up. our staff wages are trying desperately to keep up witn— trying desperately to keep up wit tne— trying desperately to keep up with the rate— trying desperately to keep up with the rate of— trying desperately to keep up with the rate of inflation and pat— with the rate of inflation and put our— with the rate of inflation and but our donations are dropping teeaase— but our donations are dropping tease giving— but our donations are dropping because giving to— but our donations are dropping because giving to charity is seen as a luxury. you know, and a iot— seen as a luxury. you know, and a tot ot— seen as a luxury. you know, and a tot ot peopte— seen as a luxury. you know, and a lot of people now.— seen as a luxury. you know, and a lot of people now. but ironieaiiy,— a lot of people now. but ironically, what you find is the peopte— ironically, what you find is the peopte tnat— ironically, what you find is the people that are— ironically, what you find is the people that are in poverty are the people that are in poverty are tne ones— people that are in poverty are the ones that— people that are in poverty are the ones that give us the most . the ones that give us the most. and— the ones that give us the most. and tnat-s— the ones that give us the most. and tnat-s you— the ones that give us the most. and that's, you know, that's the tast— and that's, you know, that's the taet ot— and that's, you know, that's the taet ot it. — and that's, you know, that's the taet ot it. its— and that's, you know, that's the fact of it. it's obviously a ready— fact of it. it's obviously a really difficult— fact of it. it's obviously a really difficult situation. of course , one of— really difficult situation. of course , one of the things that course, one of the things that atready— course, one of the things that we've already talked about today is tne— we've already talked about today is tne cost— we've already talked about today is tne eost ot— we've already talked about today is the cost of essentials, food , toiiet— is the cost of essentials, food ,toitet papa,— is the cost of essentials, food , toilet paper, sanitary products— , toilet paper, sanitary products tells me a little bit atodt— products tells me a little bit atodt tnat— products tells me a little bit about that . _ products tells me a little bit about that . i— products tells me a little bit about that . c products tells me a little bit about that . "

, paying a choice of getting toilet paper , paying your gas bill or food . , paying your gas bill or food. and do you know what i mean? because everything is going up andifs because everything is going up and it's not affordable even us as as hendrix was as a charity, as hendrix was saying , have of look saying, we have to sort of look at what we can actually to buy cook for our guests. so how it feels when you're in a household and you've got your kids on on picking choices of food , all the picking choices of food, all the cheap foods in the process that bad for you? foods and veg , bad for you? foods and veg, really, really good veg, really good food is just so high. you can't even choose to eat well for your family, let alone have good have food and fuel and elle edwards like we were talking the luxuries of being able to ensure that your kids can go out and look after themselves and have a really good time. just just doing exercise. you know, it's having a massive detriment effect on all of us. employers employees, people who can't get

a job. it's affecting all of us. you mentioned luxuries there, john-— you mentioned luxuries there, ionn. rit— you mentioned luxuries there, john. i'll come— you mentioned luxuries there, john. i'll come to— you mentioned luxuries there, john. i'll come to you. you run a tdsiness— john. i'll come to you. you run a business which _ john. i'll come to you. you run a business which it— john. i'll come to you. you run a business which it could be deserited— a business which it could be described as— a business which it could be described as a— a business which it could be described as a luxury. people participating— described as a luxury. people partieipating .— described as a luxury. people participating . is— described as a luxury. people participating . is that something participating. is that something yove— participating. is that something yo-ve noticed— participating. is that something you've noticed in— participating. is that something you've noticed in terms of your tdsinesse — you've noticed in terms of your tdsinesse its— you've noticed in terms of your business? it's sort— you've noticed in terms of your business? it's sort of- you've noticed in terms of your business? c g business? it's sort of gone a little bit quieter, obviously, since covid nearly put it out of business. i run a tour guide in tdsiness— business. i run a tour guide in tdsiness in— i run a tour guide in business in manchester, but they adso— business in manchester, but they aiso-aivays— business in manchester, but they aiso-aivays on— business in manchester, but they also-always on the- business in manchester, but they also always on the streets also i'm always on the streets of manchester— also i'm always on the streets of manchester and for many, many years— of manchester and for many, many years-tne— of manchester and for many, many years-the homeless- of manchester and for many, many years the homeless rise years you see the homeless rise as you— years you see the homeless rise as you see more people at trattie— as you see more people at traffic lights, _ as you see more people at traffic lights, you see more peopte— traffic lights, you see more people sleeping in doorways. and— people sleeping in doorways. and its— people sleeping in doorways. and it's always— people sleeping in doorways. and it's always you— people sleeping in doorways. and it's always you think- people sleeping in doorways. and it's always you think it's such how hard must your life be that you've got to go and do that? and like hendrix and lady says, it's so difficult , isn't says, it's so difficult, isn't it? you've got stark choices , it? you've got stark choices, haven't you? food, fuel . and haven't you? food, fuel. and then it's ordinary people as well who've got jobs, who've got businesses that are actually becoming homeless as well . it's becoming homeless as well. it's really that needs really difficult. that needs obviously , it needs taken obviously, it needs to be taken into control . absolutely. and of into control. absolutely. and of course, we've just— f absolutely. and of course, we've just been hearing tron— course, we've just been hearing tron-minister— course, we've just been hearing from minister sunak from prime minister rishi sunak eartier— from prime minister rishi sunak earlier-afternoon- from prime minister rishi sunak earlier afternoon who earlier on this afternoon who

says— earlier on this afternoon who says-inflation- earlier on this afternoon who says-inflation is- earlier on this afternoon who says inflation is key says that inflation is his key priority— says that inflation is his key priority .— says that inflation is his key priority . tut— says that inflation is his key priority . but it'll be priority. but it'll be interesting - priority. but it'll be interesting to see in the priority. but it'll be— interesting to see in the coming weeks—it- interesting to see in the coming vveers—it viii- interesting to see in the coming weeks—it will bei weeks and months if it will be atte— weeks and months if it will be atie it— weeks and months if it will be atie it ne— weeks and months if it will be able if he will— weeks and months if it will be able if he will be— weeks and months if it will be able if he will be able to rede— able if he will be able to rede g,— able if he will be able to reduce it, to— able if he will be able to reduce it, to help these people tite— reduce it, to help these people iire vveve— reduce it, to help these people like we've just— reduce it, to help these people like we've just talking like we've just been talking atodt— like we've just been talking atodt to— like we've just been talking atodt to ,— like we've just been talking about to , like— like we've just been talking about to , like you say, not just about to, like you say, not just dive— about to, like you say, not just iive tor— about to, like you say, not just live for work,— about to, like you say, not just live for work, but— about to, like you say, not just live for work, but to live live to tne,— live for work, but to live live to the, i— live for work, but to live live to live, i suppose— live for work, but to live live to live, i suppose so a big tnanr— to live, i suppose so a big tnanr you— to live, i suppose so a big thank you to— to live, i suppose so a big thank you to my people's panel for thank you to my people's panel tor today— thank you to my people's panel tor today .— thank you to my people's panel for today . they've— thank you to my people's panel for today . they've been for today. they've been absolutely— for today. they've been absolutely phenomenal. so a big tnanr— absolutely phenomenal. so a big tnanr you— absolutely phenomenal. so a big tnanr you to— absolutely phenomenal. so a big tnanr you to you— absolutely phenomenal. so a big thank you to you guys as well. yest— thank you to you guys as well. ves. itant— thank you to you guys as well. ves. itanr you— thank you to you guys as well. yes, thank you very— thank you to you guys as well. yes, thank you very much.- thank you to you guys as well. yes, thank you very much. and thank you, sophie. great stuff. and there and thank you, everyone. there from speaking and thank you, everyone. there from people speaking and thank you, everyone. there from people on speaking and thank you, everyone. there from people on the speaking and thank you, everyone. there from people on the ground,g to real people on the ground, the kind people i think the kind of people that i think jeremy andrew bailey jeremy hunt and andrew bailey could do a bit more to actually go out and talk to. they're probably scared of meeting them, let's scared let's be honest. probably scared of then of meeting them because then they by the they would be confronted by the consequences of their own decisions and as decisions and inaction. and as you i'm absolutely you can tell, i'm absolutely fizzing about this today, the economic armageddon that is facing that facing us. and the fact that i just really do feel i really do feel there's an astonishing lack of creativity and a lack of bottle and backbone that has led to situation . and you see to this situation. and you see the of spreadsheet philip the likes of spreadsheet philip hammond under hammond crawling out from under his that we need

his rock and saying that we need more immigration to solve the housing i good housing crisis. i mean, good grief, is this guy grief, what planet is this guy on? on this huge on? but more on this huge story on? but more on this huge story on website. gb .com. on our website. gb news .com. the national the fastest growing national news country. it's news site in the country. it's got analysis, big got the best analysis, big opinion breaking opinion and the latest breaking news. in other news, the news. but in other news, the search the five people search for the five people trapped the missing titans trapped in the missing titans submersible is getting more and more now. but the more desperate now. but the rescue team giving up rescue team isn't giving up hope. and there will be a press conference this for the conference on this show for the latest christys latest updates, patrick christys on britain's news

gb news radio. should gb news radio.l l should smokers gb news radio.- . should smokers be gb news radio.— . should smokers be able gb news radio.— - should smokers be able to on news radio.— . should smokers be able to pay should smokers be able to pay pay should smokers be able to pay or pay tor— should smokers be able to pay or pay for their- or be made to pay for their own treatment— or be made to pay for their own treatnent e — or be made to pay for their own treatment ? they— or be made to pay for their own treatment ? they are- or be made to pay for their own treatment ? my. pc giti g or be made to pay for their own treatment? my. tint; giti g treatment? they are going to be given apparently access to free lung scanners. is that the right thing to do , do you think? gb thing to do, do you think? gb views or gb news .com? and i've got loads more as well. on the bank england's bombshell bank of england's bombshell decision increase the decision to increase the interest to but now to interest rate to 5. but now to the latest on the search for the

missing titanic tourist submersible . an emergency oxygen submersible. an emergency oxygen levels on board the deep sea vessel were expected to run out this lunchtime. sadly downing street has confirmed a royal navy submariner is now helping the rescue and specialist equipment is also on its way from the uk. look, yesterday on this very show i was talking about the fact that apparently this specialist equipment that supposedly anyway can reach those depths and actually potentially get to those people has sitting on the tarmac has been sitting on the tarmac on a runway in jersey since sunday. well, why is it on the way now, anyway? it's been confirmed that 19 old confirmed that 19 year old solomon dawood, one of the five people missing, is a student at strathclyde university. i'm joined now by simon boxall, who is a senior lecturer in oceanography at southampton university. thank you very much. great to have you on the show . great to have you on the show. has it been too little, too late 7 has it been too little, too late ? if we're just flying over equipment now, it just seems almost a bit pointless at this stage . no, i mean , they already

stage. no, i mean, they already nave— stage. no, i mean, they already nave a— stage. no, i mean, they already nave a iot— stage. no, i mean, they already nave a tot ot— stage. no, i mean, they already have a lot of kit— stage. no, i mean, they already have a lot of kit out— 3 no, i mean, they already have a lot of kit out there. i ttey-ve— have a lot of kit out there. i mean, they've got- have a lot of kit out there. i mean, they've got two - have a lot of kit out there. i mean, they've got two deep sea rovs that are capable of going down to these depths on site already. another one won't harm, but these things take a while to get over there. it's not just a question of putting the back of a lorry and then getting them to arrive. it's not just about the rov it's about the rov itself. it's about the system goes with the system that goes with it. the people it's not people go with it. it's not a simple and they have got simple task and they have got a very good french system that arrived a while ago. they've got an american system . they've got an american system. they've got the necessary bits. they need to bnng the necessary bits. they need to bring titan , the submersible, to bring titan, the submersible, to the surface. if they find it. the problem is they haven't found it and it's a huge task. they're looking for a needle in a field of haystacks . look, a field of haystacks. look, simon, if you're- it;i: f look, simon, if you're being honest atout— simon, if you're being honest atout tnis— simon, if you're being honest about this, do— simon, if you're being honest about this, do you think this is going— about this, do you think this is going to— about this, do you think this is going to te— about this, do you think this is now going to be a— about this, do you think this is now going to be a recovery ission— now going to be a recovery not— now going to be a recovery mission, not a— now going to be a recovery mission, not a rescue mission in to mission, not a rescue mission in to te— mission, not a rescue mission in to te tan— mission, not a rescue mission in to te tain tne— mission, not a rescue mission in to be fair, the coastguard are stit— to be fair, the coastguard are stitt saying— to be fair, the coastguard are still saying they— to be fair, the coastguard are still saying they are treating tnis— still saying they are treating tnis as— still saying they are treating tnis as a— still saying they are treating this as a search— still saying they are treating this as a search and rescue. jiti this as a search and rescue. do we know— this as a search and rescue. do we rnov tnat— this as a search and rescue. do we know that officially the oxygen ran out a short while

ago? having said that, it's not an exact science. you know , they an exact science. you know, they don't know exactly how much oxygen was on board. it depends on pressurised the cylinders on how pressurised the cylinders were, also it depends on how were, but also it depends on how the people on board the sub were actually using oxygen. if they were conserving it. you know, there's a sort of a ten, 15% error margin there, which means they could well have already died or they could still be alive and have another few hours of oxygen. so it's worth keeping this search and rescue mission going . but as this search and rescue mission going. but as was this search and rescue mission going . but as was mentioned going. but as was mentioned earlier, you know, we're talking once they find it, if they find it , it's still once they find it, if they find it, it's still going to once they find it, if they find it , it's still going to take, it, it's still going to take, i think, about six hours. if everything to plan everything goes to plan and there to get it from there is no snags to get it from there is no snags to get it from the back to the surface. the seabed back to the surface. it's a trivial task. and it's not a trivial task. and that's assuming well . it that's assuming it goes well. it could take days if it's not if it's snared or there's a problem with once find it, if with it. once they find it, if they find it could take they find it, it could take days. there's bit of a debate days. there's a bit of a debate ,-g.a_ days. there's a bit of a debate ,-g.g east,— days. there's a bit of a debate ,-the least, raging- , to say the least, raging oping,— , to say the least, raging online,_not. , to say the least, raging. online,_not the online, whether or not the peopte— online, whether or not the peopte vvno — online, whether or not the people who run- online, whether or not the people who run these kind of eopanies— people who run these kind of

companies and— people who run these kind of companies and dare i say it, nayte— companies and dare i say it, nayte go— companies and dare i say it, nayte go on— companies and dare i say it, maybe go on these kind of adventures— maybe go on these kind of adventures are— maybe go on these kind of adventures are a bit daft or vnetner— adventures are a bit daft or vnetner or— adventures are a bit daft or whether or not— adventures are a bit daft or whether or not they are heroes for whether or not they are heroes tor trying— whether or not they are heroes tor trying to — whether or not they are heroes tor trying to te— whether or not they are heroes for trying to be, you know, outiiers— for trying to be, you know, outiiers in— for trying to be, you know, outliers in their- for trying to be, you know, outliers in their field to make dsoveies — outliers in their field to make discoveries. i— outliers in their field to make discoveries. i mean, we know atout— discoveries. i mean, we know more about the— discoveries. i mean, we know more about the surface of the tnan— more about the surface of the moon than we— more about the surface of the moon than we do— more about the surface of the moon than we do about the bottom of moon than we do about the bottom ot parts— moon than we do about the bottom ot parts ot— moon than we do about the bottom or parts ot tne— moon than we do about the bottom of parts of the oceans for evanpie— of parts of the oceans for example. where of parts of the oceans for. example-where are of parts of the oceans for- example.-where are you example. i mean, where are you on—atraid— example. i mean, where are you on—atraid inn- example. i mean, where are you on_afraid i'm the. on that? i'm afraid i'm the former. they're not doing research . they're not research. they're not discovering things down there. there's nothing new to discover down there. there's nothing we can't do better with rovs, remotely operated vehicles. they are cheaper. they're safer. we can leave them down there for days at a time. and the operators , the scientists, the operators, the scientists, the true researchers are sitting in a ship, on a ship controlling everything from the ship. you can't do anything different in a manned submersible. in fact, you can do a lot less. and you've got this additional thing that it's dangerous. it's a bit like , you know, people it's a adrenaline kick. people are going up into space. they're

going up into space. they're going down in these things. it is tourism . and there were is tourism. and there were reports— is tourism. and there were reports yesterday- ” and there were reports yesterday of banging sounds— reports yesterday of banging sounds being— reports yesterday of banging sounds being detected . covid sounds being detected. covid supposedty— sounds being detected. covid supposedty in— sounds being detected. covid supposedly in an— sounds being detected. covid supposedly in an sos fashion. and— supposedly in an sos fashion. and we— supposedly in an sos fashion. and we don-t— supposedly in an sos fashion. and we don't know whether or not tnere-s— and we don't know whether or not tnere-s a— and we don't know whether or not tnere-s a stop— and we don't know whether or not there's a stop now.— and we don't know whether or not there's a stop now. we also don-t— there's a stop now. we also dont know— there's a stop now. we also don't know necessarily whether or not— don't know necessarily whether or not tnat-s— don't know necessarily whether or not that's exactly what they inere— or not that's exactly what they were. there was— or not that's exactly what they were. there was a— or not that's exactly what they were. there was a well—placed source who was suggesting to us nere— source who was suggesting to us nere at— source who was suggesting to us nere atiuevs— source who was suggesting to us here at. news that— source who was suggesting to us here at news that there was here at gb news that there was a gutte— here at gb news that there was a quite distinctive— here at gb news that there was a quite distinctive sos sounds teing— quite distinctive sos sounds being detected.— quite distinctive sos sounds being detected. what do you make of being detected. what do you make ot tnate— being detected. what do you make ot tnate vve— being detected. what do you make of that? we haven't— being detected. what do you make of that? we haven't heard that tnere-s— of that? we haven't heard that tnere-s teen— of that? we haven't heard that there's been any— of that? we haven't heard that there's been any more today, union— there's been any more today, union is— there's been any more today, which is potentially quite ominous. what else could it have teen— ominous. what else could it have teen e — ominous. what else could it have teen e itera— ominous. what else could it have been ? there are— ominous. what else could it have been ? there are many- ominous. what else could it have been ? "rtrrt; 371i gt ominous. what else could it have been ? "rtrrt; 371i 95 c been? there are many things it could have been, and i think to be honest with you, had it been a clear sort of morse code, sos, i think the coastguard agency would have been far more straight forward about that. but the fact that they couldn't distinguish what these noises were at no stage have they said it's an sos signal and there's no reason to say it isn't. if it is so . so i think there's a lot

is so. so i think there's a lot of chinese whispers going around in terms of what was actually heard. it is possible it could have been a distress call from the submarine. but the ocean is a noisy place. sound travels hundreds of miles in the ocean. it's an amazing thing. that's why use sound to probe the why we use sound to probe the ocean . so that sound could have ocean. so that sound could have come from a marine life, although unlikely they can although it's unlikely they can usually dismiss that fairly quickly . bearing usually dismiss that fairly quickly. bearing mind quickly. but bearing in mind we've huge flotilla of we've got this huge flotilla of rescue ships of aircraft and things , these are all adding to things, these are all adding to the sound . and it's a bit like the sound. and it's a bit like trying to find survivors in an earthquake rubble . what you want earthquake rubble. what you want is complete silence and you can't achieve that with so many ships around. so i think they generally thought it's worth investigating . i get the investigating. i get the impression that they've read refocused the effort closer to the ship and that tells me that they felt that probably the sound wasn't someone sending an sos. okay, look, thank you very , very— sos. okay, look, thank you very , very muon— sos. okay, look, thank you very , very much. great— sos. okay, look, thank you very , very much. great to— okay, look, thank you very , very much. great to have you. and— , very much. great to have you. and your— , very much. great to have you. and your your— , very much. great to have you. and your your wisdom on the snow.— and your your wisdom on the snow. in— and your your wisdom on the show. i'm sure— and your your wisdom on the show. i'm sure we'll be chatting

again— show. i'm sure we'll be chatting again — show. i'm sure we'll be chatting again tr.— show. i'm sure we'll be chatting again soon. dr. simon boxall, vino-s— again soon. dr. simon boxall, vno-s a— again soon. dr. simon boxall, vno-s a senior— again soon. dr. simon boxall, who's a senior lecturer in oeeanograpny— who's a senior lecturer in oceanography at southampton university.— oceanography at southampton university. i— oceanography at southampton university. i believe we have iive— university. i believe we have some live shots— university. i believe we have some live shots now of newfoundland in in canada, which is wide— newfoundland in in canada, which is vvnere a— newfoundland in in canada, which is vvnere a tot— newfoundland in in canada, which is where a lot of— newfoundland in in canada, which is where a lot of these search and— is where a lot of these search and rescue operations have been iaunened— and rescue operations have been iaunened pom,— and rescue operations have been launched from, which is where of tnat— launched from, which is where of course, that submersible kind of out— course, that submersible kind of out ot— course, that submersible kind of came out of that— course, that submersible kind of came out of that harbour there at saint— came out of that harbour there at saint john's— came out of that harbour there at saint john's harbour in newfoundland— at saint john's harbour in newfoundland . and that is going newfoundland. and that is going to-epieentre— newfoundland. and that is going to-epicentre of- newfoundland. and that is going to-epicentre of a- newfoundland. and that is going to epicentre of a lot of to be the epicentre of a lot of tne— to be the epicentre of a lot of tne tases— to be the epicentre of a lot of the bases where _ to be the epicentre of a lot of the bases where this search and rescue operation— the bases where this search and rescue operation hopefully rescue - anyway,i rescue operation hopefully rescue anyway, is rescue operation anyway, is taking— rescue operation anyway, is taking ptaee— rescue operation anyway, is taking place from. so look, more on tnis— taking place from. so look, more on tnis as— taking place from. so look, more on tnis as we— taking place from. so look, more on this as we get— taking place from. so look, more on this as we get it.— taking place from. so look, more on this as we get it. again, rust— on this as we get it. again, rust vant— on this as we get it. again, rust vant to— on this as we get it. again, just want to emphasise the just want to emphasise that the oxygen— just want to emphasise that the oxygen supposedly on that vessel ran oxygen supposedly on that vessel out— oxygen supposedly on that vessel out at— oxygen supposedly on that vessel ran out at around— oxygen supposedly on that vessel ran out at around midday as you rust— ran out at around midday as you iust teard— ran out at around midday as you just heard from _ ran out at around midday as you just heard from the— ran out at around midday as you just heard from the expert tiere— just heard from the expert there, though, _ just heard from the expert there, though, it is not an exact— there, though, it is not an exact science. _ there, though, it is not an exact science. and what he said is its— exact science. and what he said is its not— exact science. and what he said is it's not time— exact science. and what he said is it's not time to— exact science. and what he said is it's not time to give up hope rust— is it's not time to give up hope rust-so— is it's not time to give up hope rust-so tet-s— is it's not time to give up hope just-so let's cling- is it's not time to give up hope just so let's cling on to just yet. so let's cling on to par,— just yet. so let's cling on to par, stati— just yet. so let's cling on to that, shall we?— just yet. so let's cling on to that, shall we? but there's toads— that, shall we? but there's toads noe— that, shall we? but there's loads more still- that, shall we? but there's loads more still to come between and— loads more still to come between and tree. — loads more still to come between now and 4:00. now,— loads more still to come between now and 4:00. now, it's reported tnat— now and 4:00. now, it's reported tnat eveonery— now and 4:00. now, it's reported that everyone who's— now and 4:00. now, it's reported that everyone who's ever smoked viii— that everyone who's ever smoked viii te— that everyone who's ever smoked will be offered— that everyone who's ever smoked will be offered a— that everyone who's ever smoked will be offered a free lung siest— will be offered a free lung oneer tor— will be offered a free lung check for lung— will be offered a free lung check for lung cancer here. but i check for lung cancer here. but i viii— check for lung cancer here. but i viii ast— check for lung cancer here. but i will ask whether—

check for lung cancer here. but i will ask whether or not ssrnoerr— i will ask whether or not smokers should pay for their own rus— smokers should pay for their own nhs treatment. _ smokers should pay for their own nhs treatment. and to say that tnat— nhs treatment. and to say that tnat nas— nhs treatment. and to say that that has kicked— nhs treatment. and to say that that has kicked off in the inbox is an— that has kicked off in the inbox is an understatement. so i'll go to some— is an understatement. so i'll go to ot— is an understatement. so i'll go to some of those— is an understatement. so i'll go to some of those emails really interesting— to some of those emails really interesting stuff— to some of those emails really interesting stuff there. and interesting stuff in there. and witn— interesting stuff in there. and vvitn—onl interesting stuff in there. andi vitn—on tne with interest rates still on the rise:— with interest rates still on the rise-cost— with interest rates still on the rise-cost ot— with interest rates still on the rise, cost of living crisis rise, the cost of living crisis snowing— rise, the cost of living crisis snowing-signs- rise, the cost of living crisis showing signs going away, rise, the cost of living crisis swillng signs going away, rise, the cost of living crisis swillng justgns going away, rise, the cost of living crisis swillng just how going away, rise, the cost of living crisis swillng just how muchg away, rise, the cost of living crisis swillng just how much money i will ask just how much money nave— i will ask just how much money nave vve— i will ask just how much money have we wasted— i will ask just how much money have we wasted on— i will ask just how much money have we wasted on things like net ero— have we wasted on things like net and— have we wasted on things like net zero and hs2_ have we wasted on things like net zero and hs2 ? but first, net zero and hs2? but first, its— net zero and hs2? but first, its time— net zero and hs2? but first, its time tor— net zero and hs2? but first, it's time for your- net zero and hs2? but first, it's time for your headlines witn— it's time for your headlines vvitn tne— it's time for your headlines with the wonderful polly . with the wonderful polly. the top stories— with the wonderful polly. the top stories this— with the wonderful polly. the top stories this hour.- with the wonderful polly. the top stories this hour. the bank of england has increased the base rate of interest by half a percentage point to 5. that's the highest rate in 15 years as it tries to tackle the ongoing price rises . the bank's price rises. the bank's governor, andrew bailey , says governor, andrew bailey, says inflation is still too high and must also be dealt with . the must also be dealt with. the prime minister says he's on it andifs prime minister says he's on it and it's going to be okay. this is the 13th time in a row the bank has increased the interest rate , as you've been hearing, to

rate, as you've been hearing, to remotely operated vehicles are now joining the search for the missing titan submersible in the nonh missing titan submersible in the north atlantic. the victor 6000, has two mechanical arms, which can carry out extremely delicate manoeuvres, such as cutting or removing debris. a second powerful machine , juliette, is powerful machine, juliette, is being flown in from jersey . both being flown in from jersey. both can reach the seabed and transmit images to the surface. five people are still inside the missing submersible that lost contact on sunday. the us coast guard remains with the view that this is an active search and rescue operation . a man who rescue operation. a man who allegedly smuggled thousands of people from africa into italy has been arrested in the uk. the 40 year old egyptian was detained in london by the national crime agency. and if you're watching on television, you're watching on television, you can see our pictures being suppued you can see our pictures being supplied from them. well, he's now being questioned on suspicion of facilitating illegal immigration . and king illegal immigration. and king charles has said the windrush generation has made a significant difference to the

uk, praising its legacy as profound and permanent. 75 years after the first crossing from the caribbean , the king will be the caribbean, the king will be among those at a service to be held at windsor castle, later marking the anniversary. a £1 million fundraising effort is also underway to recover the anchor from the ship and put it on display . anchor from the ship and put it on display. hmt empire windrush sank off the coast of algeria in 1954. those are your headlines. more detail available. head to our website gb news .com . die our website gb news .com. die direct bullion sponsors the financial report on gb news for gold and silver investment . and gold and silver investment. and looking at the markets for you, £1 will buy you $1.2762 and ,1.1619. the price of gold is

£1,505.30 an ounce, and the ftse 100 is currently at 7490 points. direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment malcolm grimston . here's an malcolm grimston. here's an issue malcolm grimston. here's an tnat— malcolm grimston. here's an issue that divides— f c” " here's an issue that divides people. stouid— issue that divides people. should smokers— issue that divides people. should smokers get- issue that divides people. should smokers get free treatment for lung cancer and i'm just going to branch out as well. other self—inflicted illnesses. the government is going to offer checks to anyone who ever smoked in an who has ever smoked in an attempt to improve survival rate. well, this got me thinking . let's have a chat about it. i'm joined now by hazel cheeseman, who's the deputy chief of action on chief executive of action on smoking and health. there we go. thank you very much for joining me. it's to have on me. it's great to have you on the should smokers be made the show. should smokers be made to pay for own care? to pay for their own care? absolutely not. and smokers have an addiction . most of them an addiction. most of them aeguired— an addiction. most of them acquired that— to: it most of them acquired that addiction as eniidren— acquired that addiction as children and— acquired that addiction as children and most of them have tried— children and most of them have tried many— children and most of them have tried many times— children and most of them have tried many times throughout tneir— tried many times throughout tneir iives— tried many times throughout their lives to _ tried many times throughout their lives to stop smoking tetore— their lives to stop smoking tetore tney— their lives to stop smoking

before they get— their lives to stop smoking before they get their illness. inat— before they get their illness. that requires— before they get their illness. that requires the— before they get their illness. that requires the nhs- before they get their illness. that requires the nhs to- before they get their illness. that requires the nhs to step in and provide treatment . so in and provide treatment. so in that context, it just- so in that context, it just seems eonptetety— that context, it just seems completely unreasonable to suggest— completely unreasonable to suggest smokers should pay suggest that smokers should pay for suggest that smokers should pay tor—inere— suggest that smokers should pay tor—inere is— suggest that smokers should pay for-there is also- for their care. there is also tne— for their care. there is also the argument,— for their care. there is also the argument, someone in our the argument, as someone in our intox— the argument, as someone in our intox eaiied— the argument, as someone in our intox eaiied rin— the argument, as someone in our inbox called jim has made, which is-potentiatiy— inbox called jim has made, which is potentially smokers are is that potentially smokers are atready— is that potentially smokers are atready-tor— is that potentially smokers are already -for their- already paying for their own care -actually,- already paying for their own care -actually, he. already paying for their own. care -actually, he says, care in tax. actually, he says, i you every day whilst i watch you every day whilst smoking. is an avid smoking. so jim is an avid smoker . clearly, he says, i pay smoker. clearly, he says, i pay £8 in tax on my every single day . the country can't afford people not smoke. i pay three people to not smoke. i pay three and half grand in tax more and a half grand in tax more than smoker single than a non smoker every single yeah than a non smoker every single year. that's not an year. now clearly that's not an advert smoking, but there is advert for smoking, but there is an smokers do an argument that smokers do already tax. isn't already pay enough in tax. isn't it ? well, you know, certainly it? well, you know, certainly the price of cigarettes reflects the price of cigarettes reflects the harm that they cause to people to and society as a whole. and i'm sure that it teeis— whole. and i'm sure that it teeis reaiiy— and i'm sure that it feels really expensive to jim. and— feels really expensive to jim. and tnat-s— feels really expensive to jim. and that's the— feels really expensive to jim. and that's the point- feels really expensive to jim. and that's the point of- feels really expensive to jim. and that's the point of those high to encourage high taxes, is to encourage people not smoke. but those people to not smoke. but those taxes cover the cost of taxes don't cover the cost of smoking to public finances. and because there's very many- because there's very many costs to putte— because there's very many costs to public finances— because there's very many costs to public finances from smoking. so to public finances from smoking. so tne—

to public finances from smoking. so tne neaitn— to public finances from smoking. so the health care— to public finances from smoking. so the health care costs are one of so the health care costs are one ot tten— so the health care costs are one ot tnen. tut— so the health care costs are one of them. but we've— so the health care costs are one of them. but we've got social care costs. and— of them. but we've got social care costs. and of— of them. but we've got social care costs. and of course, peopte— care costs. and of course,- peopte—younger people get sick much younger unen— people get sick much younger vvnen tney— people get sick much younger when they smoke, so they're not atte— when they smoke, so they're not atie to— when they smoke, so they're not atie to nave— when they smoke, so they're not atie to nave a— when they smoke, so they're not able to have a full— when they smoke, so they're not able to have a full working life and— able to have a full working life and out— able to have a full working life and out ot— able to have a full working life and out of the— able to have a full working life and out of the workforce much sooner. so, you— and out of the workforce much sooner. ciifii" c sooner. so, you know, we don't have there we don't have them paying have there we don't have them paying taxes, but we also need to provide benefit payments to support people that aren't able to work. so the cumulative inpaet— to work. so the cumulative inpaet ot— to work. so the cumulative impact of all— to work. so the cumulative impact of all of— so the cumulative impact of all of those costs is must— impact of all of those costs is must-tnan— impact of all of those costs is much -than the - impact of all of those costs is much than the tax take. much greater than the tax take. oray. — much greater than the tax take. oray. rit— much greater than the tax take. oray. tit rigtt— much greater than the tax take. okay. all right. and— much greater than the tax take. okay. all right. and as- much greater than the tax take. okay. all right. and as oppose as well, you could argue that i know some employers get very annoyed employees who annoyed at their employees who smoke they seem take smoke because they seem to take longer in breaks, don't they? then other people. but the argument would be, i'm certainly not saying i'm certainly not saying i agree this, but an saying i agree with this, but an argument be that with all argument would be that with all of anti—smoking of the relentless anti—smoking information that there is out there at the moment and, you know, unbranded cigarette packets and horrible pictures on the it , anyone who the front of it, anyone who starts smoking now must know that they are in a roundabout way killing themselves and therefore , there is that not

therefore, there is that not a choice. they've made . but it's choice. they've made. but it's a it's a choice that— choice. they've made. but it's a it's a choice that people- cfi�*iii cc: titan : but it's a it's a choice that people are mating.— it's a choice that people are making. — it's a choice that people are making. vou— it's a choice that people are making. you know- it's a choice that people are making. /itic. c. r:tt; it's a choice that people are making. v/itic. c. at; it's a choice that people are- making. you know , under the age making. you know, under the age of 18, by and large , you know, of 18, by and large, you know, most people have their first cigarette as teenagers. and, you know , you're invincible when know, you're invincible when you're a teenager. so the idea that you're a teenager. so the idea tnat tnat— you're a teenager. so the idea that that smoking— you're a teenager. so the idea that that smoking is- ”it; 3 so the idea that that smoking is harmful rind— that that smoking is harmful rind ot— that that smoking is harmful kind of doesn't— that that smoking is harmful kind of doesn't really resonate for kind of doesn't really resonate tor teens — kind of doesn't really resonate for teens. and— kind of doesn't really resonate for teens. i: kind of doesn't really resonate for teens. ' i: t kind of doesn't really resonate for teens. ' t for teens. and we've seen that over time. you know, education campaigns only go so far. but also i would question- also i would question how much peopte— also i would question how much peopte reatiy— also i would question how much people really understand the true— people really understand the true-narns— people really understand the true-harms from - people really understand the true harms from smoking . true health harms from smoking. i true health harms from smoking. ina— true health harms from smoking. i rooting— true health harms from smoking. i was looking at— true health harms from smoking. i was looking at our— true health harms from smoking. i was looking at our survey- i was looking at our survey data. we survey people each yean data. we survey people each year, 12,000 adults across great britain . and if you look at the britain. and if you look at the 18 to 24 year olds that smoke , 18 to 24 year olds that smoke, they much less aware of the they are much less aware of the condition means that smoking causes over the age causes than smokers over the age of 25. and this might may in part— of 25. and this might may in part te— of 25. and this might may in part be because— $75 and this might may in part be because we haven't been on iv— part be because we haven't been on iv witn— part be because we haven't been on tv with these _ part be because we haven't been on tv with these big, hard nitting— on tv with these big, hard hitting mass— on tv with these big, hard hitting mass media campaigns in the hitting mass media campaigns in tne tast— hitting mass media campaigns in tne iast vett— hitting mass media campaigns in the last well, really since zero. — the last well, really since zero. and— the last well, really since 2010. and so— the last well, really since 2010. and so i- the last well, really since- 2010. and so i think that the understand among young people about just how harmful smoking

is actually not as strong as it used to be. and really, that's sonetning— used to be. and really, that's something that— used to be. and really, that's something that the- : and really, that's something that the government snouid— something that the government snouid do— something that the government should do something about teause— should do something about teause it— should do something about because it would be very cost etteetive— because it would be very cost etteetive to — because it would be very cost effective to .those - because it would be very cost effective to those adverts effective to put those adverts tast— effective to put those adverts task on— effective to put those adverts taer onland— effective to put those adverts back on and back on the back on tv and back on the internet— back on tv and back on the internet and— back on tv and back on the internet and all— back on tv and back on the internet and all those other piaees— internet and all those other ptaees vnere— internet and all those other places where we— internet and all those other places where we communicate places where we can communicate to ssrnoerr— places where we can communicate to ssrnoerr . — places where we can communicate to smokers . what— places where we can communicate to smokers . �*ifviitti places where we can communicate to smokers . g to smokers. what about banning smoking? i am , as a rule, smoking? i am, as a rule, against banning everything, i must say. but in new zealand they've got this bizarre situation . the last i situation. the last time i checked where i think they're banning a certain banning anyone from a certain age. could be confronted age. so you could be confronted in a few years time by a 45 year old or in a car park old man or woman in a car park outside an off asking a outside an off licence asking a 46 or woman to go 46 year old man or woman to go and some, i think, and buy them some, i think, which seem a little bit which does seem a little bit like back to the school days. right. there an argument like back to the school days. rilsay, there an argument like back to the school days. rilsay, well, there an argument like back to the school days. rilsay, well, ifiere an argument like back to the school days. rilsay, well, if we an argument like back to the school days. rilsay, well, if we an going ent like back to the school days. rilsay, well, if we an going tot to say, well, if we are going to have dish out free lung scans have to dish out free lung scans to everyone who's smoked to everyone who's ever smoked and of course , the costs and then, of course, the costs that you've rightly identified and there have not just hospital care, things the care, but other things to the economy do. economy that smoking can do. i mean, is there a case for banning it? well there's a case for doing everything we can to reduce smoking. and i think an outrignt— reduce smoking. and i think an

outrignt tan— reduce smoking. and i think an outright ban-very— :t q and i think an outright ban very unlikely to outright ban is very unlikely to aenieve— outright ban is very unlikely to aenieve tne— outright ban is very unlikely to achieve the goal— outright ban is very unlikely to achieve the goal of having fewer peopte— achieve the goal of having fewer peopte snoring— achieve the goal of having fewer peopte srnoring .— achieve the goal of having fewer people smoking . so if goal people smoking. so if our goal is to— people smoking. so if our goal is to-tever— people smoking. so if our goal is to .fewer people - people smoking. so if our goal is to fewer people smoking, is to have fewer people smoking, tetis—tnat— is to have fewer people smoking, tetis—tnat ve- is to have fewer people smoking, let's—that we know| let's do the things that we know viii— let's do the things that we know viii-one— let's do the things that we know viii-one ot— let's do the things that we know will-one of the- let's do the things that we know will one of the things will work. so one of the things tnat— will work. so one of the things tnat vveve— will work. so one of the things that we've been— will work. so one of the things that we've been calling for and tees— that we've been calling for and there's evidence— that we've been calling for and there's evidence from the us and iron— there's evidence from the us and tron-piaees— there's evidence from the us and tron-piaees is— there's evidence from the us and from-places is not- from other places is not necessarily— from other places is not necessarily the new zealand ayrg, — necessarily the new zealand ayrg, .to — necessarily the new zealand style, .to raise- necessarily the new zealand style, to raise the age of style, but to raise the age of sate— style, but to raise the age of sate tron — style, but to raise the age of sate iron is— style, but to raise the age of sale from 18 to— style, but to raise the age of sale from 18 to 21- style, but to raise the age of sale from 18 to 21 because most peopte— sale from 18 to 21 because most peopte nave— sale from 18 to 21 because most peopte nave nad— sale from 18 to 21 because most people have had their first cigarette— people have had their first cigarette before the age of 21, vou— cigarette before the age of 21, you know— cigarette before the age of 21, you rnovv ,— cigarette before the age of 21, you know , moving in that you know, moving in that direction— you know, moving in that direction and— you know, moving in that direction and other measures tite— direction and other measures like licencing_ direction and other measures like licencing tobacco retailers , taus— like licencing tobacco retailers , iavs and,— like licencing tobacco retailers , iavs and, you— like licencing tobacco retailers , laws and, you know , doing more , laws and, you know, doing more aound— , laws and, you know, doing more around communicating to smokers tnrougn— around communicating to smokers tnrougn past— around communicating to smokers through pack inserts and information— through pack inserts and information on individual cigarettes.— information on individual cigarettes. there's lots more tnat— cigarettes. there's lots more tnat ve— cigarettes. there's lots more that we could— cigarettes. there's lots more that we could do— cigarettes. there's lots more that we could do if we put all of that we could do if we put all ot tnose— that we could do if we put all of those things— that we could do if we put all of those things in— that we could do if we put all of those things in place, then we can achieve— of those things in place, then we can achieve country where we can achieve a country where notody— we can achieve a country where nobody-without- we can achieve a country where nobody without having to nobody smokes without having to go nobody smokes without having to fie-sav— nobody smokes without having to go-sav ,— nobody smokes without having to go-say , vie-re— nobody smokes without having to go say , we're banning this. go and say, we're banning this. all go and say, we're banning this. tit agn— go and say, we're banning this. all right,-thank- go and say, we're banning this. all right, thank you very, all right, look, thank you very, very— all right, look, thank you very, very-tor— all right, look, thank you very, very-tor your— all right, look, thank you very, very for your time. c very much for your time. it's teen— very much for your time. it's teen-tave- very much for your time. it's been - have you - very much for your time. it's been - have you on i very much for your time. it's been have you on the been great to have you on the show and have that chat. hazel cheeseman there, who is the deputy of action deputy chief executive of action on health. the on smoking and health. the emails on emails have been flooding in on this gbviews@gbnews.com. emails have been flooding in on this gbv time?gbnews.com. emails have been flooding in on this gbv time?gbn

patrick i'm an ex—smoker and it was my choice to buy and smoke cigarettes. seven cigarettes. it took me seven attempts, gum but attempts, its patches gum but i finally did stop. well done karen. yes, good stuff. we need to giving handouts for to stop giving handouts for those. their choice to do those. it's their choice to do it. so i think karen, you might be for all smokers paying for their own care there and should smokers be made to pay for their own care? no should fatties be made to pay for their diabetes care? where does it end? there's no name on that one, and i can understand but it is understand why, but it is a similar conversation we do similar conversation that we do occasionally show occasionally have on this show actually who have actually about people who have self issues, self inflicted eating issues, whether should whether or not they should be paying whether or not they should be paying treatment whether or not they should be pajwell. treatment whether or not they should be pajwell. it treatment whether or not they should be pajwell. it certainly treatment whether or not they should be pajwell. it certainly got atment whether or not they should be pajwell. it certainly got yousnt as well. it certainly got you going views the gb news going gb views is the gb news .com , but britain is facing .com, but britain is facing financial meltdown. but it didn't need to be this way. just how money have we wasted on how much money have we wasted on net zero asylum seekers and vanhy net zero asylum seekers and vanity projects like hs2? i will tell you in a second. patrick christys on gb news, britain's news

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. channel well, very shortly i viii— . channel well, very shortly i viii te— . channel well, very shortly i will be talking— t well, very shortly i will be talking about the former cnaneetior— will be talking about the former chancellor who— will be talking about the former chancellor who claims that the soiution— chancellor who claims that the soiution to — chancellor who claims that the solution to this— chancellor who claims that the solution to this financial crisis— solution to this financial crisis is— solution to this financial crisis is are— solution to this financial crisis is are you ready? increase immigration . okay, increase immigration. okay, tet-s— increase immigration. okay, tetis get— increase immigration. okay, let's get more— increase immigration. okay, let's get more ,— increase immigration. okay, let's get more , though, on the let's get more, though, on the tant— let's get more, though, on the tank ot— let's get more, though, on the bank of england's bombshell decision— bank of england's bombshell decision to— bank of england's bombshell decision to increase the interest— decision to increase the interest rate _ decision to increase the interest rate to 5. it's a move tnat— interest rate to 5. it's a move tnat viii— interest rate to 5. it's a move tnat viii nit— interest rate to 5. it's a move that will hit millions of people tne— that will hit millions of people across the uk.— that will hit millions of people across the uk. i— that will hit millions of people across the uk. i opened up this stov— across the uk. i opened up this snov ty— across the uk. i opened up this snov ty openty— across the uk. i opened up this show by openly calling for andrew— show by openly calling for andrew bailey,— show by openly calling for andrew bailey, the governor of the andrew bailey, the governor of tne tant— andrew bailey, the governor of tne tanr ot— andrew bailey, the governor of the bank of england . i'm now the bank of england. i'm now eaiiing— the bank of england. i'm now eaiiing nin— the bank of england. i'm now calling him the— the bank of england. i'm now calling him the bank of england to te— calling him the bank of england to te sacked.— calling him the bank of england to be sacked. let's— calling him the bank of england to be sacked. let's speak to our reporter.— to be sacked. let's speak to our reporter. triti— to be sacked. let's speak to our reporter. will hollis. now will mortgage— reporter. will hollis. now will mortgage brokers in hull. okay, so mortgage brokers in hull. okay, so tnis— mortgage brokers in hull. okay, so tits is— mortgage brokers in hull. okay, so this is right— mortgage brokers in hull. okay, so this is right at— mortgage brokers in hull. okay, so this is right at the coalface of so this is right at the coalface ot at— so this is right at the coalface ot at ieast— so this is right at the coalface of at least talking to people. anyway— of at least talking to people. rnyvvay atout— of at least talking to people. anyway about the dire straits tnat— anyway about the dire straits tnat tney— anyway about the dire straits tnat tney are— anyway about the dire straits that they are now in. will, vvnatis— that they are now in. will, was going— that they are now in. will, what's going on? why are you up? vean — what's going on? why are you up? vean tor— what's going on? why are you up? vean tor dood— what's going on? why are you up? yeah c: t yeah for good afternoon, patrick. well, just to give you an idea, when it was 12:00, a couple of hours ago, when that information came in that it was going to be half a percentage point, stopped talking

point, everybody stopped talking and they suddenly started working in that i hadn't working in a way that i hadn't seen for the rest of the seen them for the rest of the day. we've been here since the morning we've been talking morning and we've been talking particularly about how mortgage rates are going to be really affected by that half a% and what it's going to mean when it's up to 5. we've been talking particularly about fixed term contracts . and when those contracts. and when those contracts. and when those contracts end, what might happen next. but it's not just about people that are getting on their mortgages. you know, first time buyers or people that are coming to the end of their contracts. a lot of people that might want a mortgage might be a little bit older they might need later older and they might need later life advice, which is what dan does. described for me does. dan just described for me what these high, high interest rates, what are they going to mean particularly older mean for particularly older people are in the 55 people that are maybe in the 55 plus bracket? i think you've really got to two main thrusts for clients who are over 55. one is that there are a lot of peopte— one is that there are a lot of peopte vno— one is that there are a lot of peopte vvno are— one is that there are a lot of people who are still stuck with avitn— people who are still stuck with avitn an— people who are still stuck with a with an interest— people who are still stuck with a with an interest only mortgage tnat— a with an interest only mortgage tnat tney— a with an interest only mortgage tnat tney-toot— a with an interest only mortgage that they-took out- a with an interest only mortgage that they took out 20 that they maybe took out 20 years— that they maybe took out 20 years ago.— that they maybe took out 20 years ago. and— that they maybe took out 20 years ago. and that in payments

nave— years ago. and that in payments nave raided— years ago. and that in payments have failed and— years ago. and that in payments have failed and they haven't teen— have failed and they haven't teen atte— have failed and they haven't been able to— have failed and they haven't been able to repay a lot of tnese— been able to repay a lot of tnese peopte— been able to repay a lot of these people are stuck on on rates— these people are stuck on on various rates which of course increasing— various rates which of course are increasing each time the tank— are increasing each time the tank ot— are increasing each time the bank of england base rate goes up. bank of england base rate goes upltot— bank of england base rate goes upltot ot— bank of england base rate goes up. ltot ot peopte— bank of england base rate goes up. lot of people are on fixed up. a lot of people are on fixed incomes-they're— up. a lot of people are on fixed incomes they're finding it incomes and they're finding it ready,— incomes and they're finding it ready—to- incomes and they're finding it ready—to eope- incomes and they're finding it really, to cope with really, really hard to cope with the really, really hard to cope with tne nigner— really, really hard to cope with the higher mortgage payments . so the higher mortgage payments. so rooting— the higher mortgage payments. so we're looking solutions for we're looking at solutions for tnose— we're looking at solutions for tnose peopte— we're looking at solutions for those people to— we're looking at solutions for those people to take on mortgages— those people to take on mortgages into retirement or nayte— mortgages into retirement or nayte even— mortgages into retirement or maybe even looking at equity eeaise— maybe even looking at equity release as a way— maybe even looking at equity release as a way to pay off tnose— release as a way to pay off those mortgages . t t those mortgages. this has been in the news all week , but today, in the news all week, but today, what kind of calls are you getting man from getting at uk money man from people where they're a little bit concerned about their interest only mortgages. there's an awful lot of people who are who are concerned about what the impact of this is going to be on the mortgage that they've got already. and the mortgage that they've got already . and they're also already. and they're also wanting— already. and they're also wanting to— already. and they're also wanting to know- : and they're also wanting to know what the soiutions— wanting to know what the solutions .to - wanting to know what the solutions to move forward wanting to know what the solutthat. to move forward wanting to know what the solutthat. and» move forward wanting to know what the solutthat. and whate forward wanting to know what the solutthat. and what kind ivard wanting to know what the solutthat. and what kind ofd from that. and what kind of tnings— from that. and what kind of tnings are— from that. and what kind of tnings you— from that. and what kind of things are you hearing and what rind— things are you hearing and what rind ot— things are you hearing and what kind of advice— things are you hearing and what kind of advice are— things are you hearing and what kind of advice are you giving tnene— kind of advice are you giving tnene wett— kind of advice are you giving them? well, in— kind of advice are you giving them? well, in a— kind of advice are you giving them? well, in a lot of cases, tnereis— them? well, in a lot of cases, tnereis a— them? well, in a lot of cases, there's a solution— them? well, in a lot of cases, there's a solution where we can transfer— there's a solution where we can transfer-onto— there's a solution where we can transfer onto retirement transfer them onto a retirement interest— transfer them onto a retirement

interest oniy— transfer them onto a retirement interest only mortgage, or we toot— interest only mortgage, or we took at— interest only mortgage, or we can look at an— interest only mortgage, or we can look at an equity release mortgage— can look at an equity release nortgage as— can look at an equity release mortgage as well, which is a has atived— mortgage as well, which is a has a fixed interest— mortgage as well, which is a has a fixed interest rate— mortgage as well, which is a has a fixed interest rate for life, union— a fixed interest rate for life, which means— a fixed interest rate for life, which means that people have, you— which means that people have, you know,— which means that people have, you know, don-t— which means that people have, you know, don't don't have this concern in the— you know, don't don't have this concern in the future. c concern in the future. it's deariy— concern in the future. it's dearty a— concern in the future. it's clearly a busy— concern in the future. it's clearly a busy day.- concern in the future. it's clearly a busy day. even if it's a little bit quieter down here in this part of the office. there's a full upstairs, there's a full office upstairs, isn't there, where lots of isn't there, dan? where lots of people phone people have been taking phone calls and checking the calls and checking all the different mortgages because i think is that the think the real worry is that the banks are going to start withdrawing mortgages . and so withdrawing mortgages. and so people trying to fix those people are trying to fix those rates they can. rates in while they can. patrick yeah. well, thank you and— patrick yeah. well, thank you and tank— patrick yeah. well, thank you and thank you— patrick yeah. well, thank you and thank you for everybody ttere— and thank you for everybody tnere. rs— and thank you for everybody there. as well. _ and thank you for everybody there. as well. and i think tnat-s— there. as well. and i think that's fascinating on that's a fascinating angle on tnis—too- that's a fascinating angle on this—too often. that's a fascinating angle on. this—too often it's, this because all too often it's, you— this because all too often it's, you-and— this because all too often it's, you-and i— this because all too often it's, you-and i san- this because all too often it's, you and i can understand you know, and i can understand why— you know, and i can understand why-young— you know, and i can understand why young people. can't why it's young people. we can't get—iadden - get on the property ladder. teat,— yeah, but what about all of tnose— yeah, but what about all of tnose-vno- yeah, but what about all of those-who many. yeah, but what about all of those who many people yeah, but what about all of- those -who many people go, those people who many people go, oh, those people who many people go, on-ite— those people who many people go, on-ite so— those people who many people go, on-ite so good— those people who many people go, oh,-it? so good for- oh, you had it? so good for yeas— oh, you had it? so good for years-att— oh, you had it? so good for years.-all right.- oh, you had it? so good for years. all right. maybe years. well, all right. maybe peopte— years. well, all right. maybei peopte—good people did have it quite good for people did have it quite good tor-tney— people did have it quite good for they certainly for years, but they certainly naven-t— for years, but they certainly naven-tl— for years, but they certainly haven't-, when- for years, but they certainly haven't-, when a bit haven't now, when you are a bit tater— haven't now, when you are a bit iaterltite— haven't now, when you are a bit iaterliite as— haven't now, when you are a bit later-life as well,— haven't now, when you are a bit later life as well, with later in life as well, with atsoiute — later in life as well, with absolute respect, it might be a bit absolute respect, it might be a tit dess— absolute respect, it might be a tit tess. vou— absolute respect, it might be a bit less. you can— absolute respect, it might be a bit less. you can do about it idy— bit less. you can do about it some more. my age, fingers rossed iive— some more. my age, fingers crossed, i've got— some more. my age, fingers crossed, i've got years to

mitigate— crossed, i've got years to- mitigate—economic mitigate any kind of economic disaster— mitigate any kind of economic disaster-iive— mitigate any kind of economic disaster-i've-now.- mitigate any kind of economic disaster i've now. less mitigate any kind of economic disifiter i've now. less mitigate any kind of economic disif you're i've now. less mitigate any kind of economic disif you're ifi've now. less mitigate any kind of economic disif you're if you're now. less mitigate any kind of economic disif you're if you're inow. less mitigate any kind of economic disif you're if you're in youress so if you're if you're in your ees. — so if you're if you're in your ees. war,— so if you're if you're in your 60s. well, thank- so if you're if you're in your 60s. well, thank you very much. triti— 60s. well, thank you very much. viii-tiere— 60s. well, thank you very much. will-there now,- 60s. well, thank you very much. will-there now, in- 60s. well, thank you very much. will there now, in light will hollis there now, in light of-financial_ of this financial mess that in at— of this financial mess that we're in at moment, okay, we're in at the moment, okay, i tnougnt,— we're in at the moment, okay, i thought, vett— we're in at the moment, okay, i thought, well, i'll— we're in at the moment, okay, i thought, well, i'll have a tittie— thought, well, i'll have a little-about- thought, well, i'll have a little about some of the little look about some of the epis— little look about some of the epic catastrophic— little look about some of the epic catastrophic wastes that we've-not just- we've seen. it's not just interest— we've seen. it's not just interest rates- we've seen. it's not just interest rates and high inflation. _ interest rates and high inflation. yesterday it's emerged— inflation. yesterday it's emerged-the- inflation. yesterday it's emerged the uk's debt is emerged that the uk's debt is greater— emerged that the uk's debt is greater tnan— emerged that the uk's debt is greater than our— emerged that the uk's debt is greater than our gdp. for the tint— greater than our gdp. for the tirst tine— greater than our gdp. for the first time-62— greater than our gdp. for the first time 62 remember first time in 62 years. remember tnat— first time in 62 years. remember tnat one— first time in 62 years. remember tnat ot— first time in 62 years. remember that one of rishi _ first time in 62 years. remember that one of rishi sunak's five priorities— that one of rishi sunak's five priorities is— that one of rishi sunak's five priorities is to— that one of rishi sunak's five priorities is to reduce debt. war,— priorities is to reduce debt. war, tnat-s— priorities is to reduce debt. well, that's going well , isn't well, that's going well, isn't it? well, that's going well, isn't ite anyway,— well, that's going well, isn't ite anyway, it— well, that's going well, isn't it? anyway, it got me wondering vnere— it? anyway, it got me wondering vvnere nas— it? anyway, it got me wondering vvnere nas att— it? anyway, it got me wondering where has all the— it? anyway, it got me wondering where has all the money gone ? where has all the money gone? and— where has all the money gone? and in— where has all the money gone? and iin naving— where has all the money gone? and i'm having a— where has all the money gone? and i'm having a look at what a waste— and i'm having a look at what a waste ot— and i'm having a look at what a waste of flipping— and i'm having a look at what a waste of flipping money. let's start— waste of flipping money. let's start witn— waste of flipping money. let's start with cowo— waste of flipping money. let's start with covid fraud. the government— start with covid fraud. the government lost £3.4 billion to par,— government lost £3.4 billion to gap, as— government lost £3.4 billion to gap, as vett— government lost £3.4 billion to that, as well as— government lost £3.4 billion to that, as well as mistakes across town— that, as well as mistakes across covid employment schemes. bingo and tnat-s— covid employment schemes. bingo and that's small— covid employment schemes. bingo and that's small change compared to tne— and that's small change compared to tne oid— and that's small change compared to tne oid rit— and that's small change compared to the old ppe scandal. the government— to the old ppe scandal. the government wasted almost £15 titiion— government wasted almost £15 titiion on— government wasted almost £15 billion on unused— government wasted almost £15 billion on unused ppe and other expenditure.— billion on unused ppe and other expenditure. it— billion on unused ppe and other expenditure. it isn't just me risking— expenditure. it isn't just me riering tne— expenditure. it isn't just me kicking the government, by the way.— kicking the government, by the way. every— kicking the government, by the way. ivery otter— kicking the government, by the way. every other party wanted tnen — way. every other party wanted ten to — way. every other party wanted ten to ramp— way. every other party wanted them to ramp up— way. every other party wanted them to ramp up the spending on this them to ramp up the spending on tnis as— them to ramp up the spending on tnis as veii. — them to ramp up the spending on this as well. so— them to ramp up the spending on this as well. so it's— this as well. so it's a

leadership- leadership thing. the government's bill for housing and—asyiun- government's bill for housing and asylum seekers and supporting asylum seekers for and supporting asylum seekers tor rust— and supporting asylum seekers for just-months— and supporting asylum seekers for just months was £3.6 for just 12 months was £3.6 titiion— for just 12 months was £3.6 titiion ti— for just 12 months was £3.6 billion, £7 million a day. and guess— billion, £7 million a day. and guess unatt— billion, £7 million a day. and guess what? as— billion, £7 million a day. and guess what? as well, under every otter— guess what? as well, under every otner party,— guess what? as well, under every otner party, tne— guess what? as well, under every other party, the situation will protatiy— other party, the situation will protatty get— other party, the situation will probably get much worse. so again— probably get much worse. so again a— probably get much worse. so again, a leadership thing . the again, a leadership thing. the most— again, a leadership thing. the most resent— again, a leadership thing. the most recent estimate for the sost— most recent estimate for the sost ot— most recent estimate for the sost ot use— most recent estimate for the sost ot p52 .— most recent estimate for the cost of hs2. is— most recent estimate for the cost of hs2. is £98 billion, 9 to is— cost of hs2. is £98 billion, 9 to £8 billion— cost of hs2. is £98 billion, 9 to £8 billion for— cost of hs2. is £98 billion, 9 to £8 billion for a- cost of hs2. is £98 billion, 9 to £8 billion for a slightly guisrer— to £8 billion for a slightly quicker train— to £8 billion for a slightly quicker train to birmingham. but tet-s— quicker train to birmingham. but tetis te— quicker train to birmingham. but let's be honest,— quicker train to birmingham. but let's be honest, though, that tigure— let's be honest, though, that tigure is— let's be honest, though, that tigure is going— let's be honest, though, that figure is going to keep on siinting— figure is going to keep on climbing over— figure is going to keep on climbing over the next few yeas— climbing over the next few years isnit— climbing over the next few years, isn't it?— climbing over the next few years, isn't it? and then tnereis— years, isn't it? and then there's our— years, isn't it? and then there's our old- years, isn't it? and then there's our old favourite net vvouid— there's our old favourite net zero. would you— there's our old favourite net zero. would you believe the independent— zero. would you believe the independent office for budget responsibility— independent office for budget responsibility says that's going to-a— responsibility says that's going to-a .— responsibility says that's going to-a . soot— responsibility says that's going to-a . cool £350- responsibility says that's going to a . cool £350 billion to cost us a. cool £350 billion so— to cost us a. cool £350 billion so yes — to cost us a. cool £350 billion over 30 years. what a waste of oney — over 30 years. what a waste of oney rit— over 30 years. what a waste of money tit ot— over 30 years. what a waste of money. all of this— over 30 years. what a waste of money. all of this stuff. and we're continuing— money. all of this stuff. and we're continuing to waste it. iieanvniie,— we're continuing to waste it. meanwhile, the— we're continuing to waste it. meanwhile, the little guy gets pooer— meanwhile, the little guy gets poorer tne— meanwhile, the little guy gets poorer, the little— meanwhile, the little guy gets poorer, the little guy gets siottered— poorer, the little guy gets clobbered .— poorer, the little guy gets clobbered . it— poorer, the little guy gets clobbered . it is absolutely clobbered. it is absolutely astonishing— clobbered. it is absolutely astonishing .— clobbered. it is absolutely astonishing . and after the 4:00 astonishing. and after the 4:00 rag..— astonishing. and after the 4:00 tour, i— astonishing. and after the 4:00 tour, i an— astonishing. and after the 4:00 noun i an going— astonishing. and after the 4:00 hour, i am going to be getting stusr— hour, i am going to be getting stusr rignt— hour, i am going to be getting

stuck right into— hour, i am going to be getting stuck right into i— hour, i am going to be getting stuck right into i think we're teing— stuck right into i think we're teing run— stuck right into i think we're teing ty— stuck right into i think we're being run by idiots just right tne— being run by idiots just right across the board. wherever you toot,— across the board. wherever you look, whether— across the board. wherever you look, whether it's— across the board. wherever you look, whether it's education, vnetner— look, whether it's education, vnetner its— look, whether it's education, whether it's transport, whether it's whether it's transport, whether itis in— whether it's transport, whether it's in government, whether it's transport, whether it's in government , whether it's it's in government, whether it's in opposition— it's in government, whether it's in opposition, whether it's in vnatis— in opposition, whether it's in was going— in opposition, whether it's in what's going on— in opposition, whether it's in what's going on in the channel, vnetner— what's going on in the channel, vnetner-a— what's going on in the channel, whether-a variety- what's going on in the channel, whether a variety of whether it's in a variety of ditterent— whether it's in a variety of different sectors. when you look aound— different sectors. when you look aound at— different sectors. when you look aound at tne— different sectors. when you look around at the moment anywhere in the around at the moment anywhere in tne—neip- the country, i just can't help tut— the country, i just can't help tut teet— the country, i just can't help but feel-we're- the country, i just can't helpi but feel-we're-run the country, i just can't help- but feel-we're-run by but feel that we're being run by idiots.— but feel that we're being run by idiots—its- idiots. but on that tone, it's time— idiots. but on that tone, it's time now— idiots. but on that tone, it's time now for— idiots. but on that tone, it's time now for patrick's pick of tne— time now for patrick's pick of tne-so — time now for patrick's pick of tne-so tnis— time now for patrick's pick of the-so this hour,- time now for patrick's pick of the so this hour, i'm going the day. so this hour, i'm going to—on— the day. so this hour, i'm going to—on our- the day. so this hour, i'm going to—on oid- to be focusing on our old triends. — to be focusing on our old friends. -oil- to be focusing on our old friends-oil and| to be focusing on our old. friends-oil and the friends. just stop oil and the good— friends. just stop oil and the good news— friends. just stop oil and the good is— friends. just stop oil and the good news is some of these good news is that some of these srusties— good news is that some of these crusties-finally_ good news is that some of these crusties-finally had- crusties have finally had a sovvern— crusties have finally had a sovvern .— crusties have finally had a sovvern. i— crusties have finally had a shower . i-we've- crusties have finally had a shower . i we've got a bit shower. i think we've got a bit of shower. i think we've got a bit otlsiip— shower. i think we've got a bit otlsiip-nov.- shower. i think we've got a bit oflclip-now. now,- shower. i think we've got a bit of clip now. now, this of a clip of you now. now, this is a— of a clip of you now. now, this is a rise— of a clip of you now. now, this is a nice little— of a clip of you now. now, this is a nice little montage of disaster— is a nice little montage of. disaster—so disaster for just stop oil. so tnis— disaster for just stop oil. so tnis stip— disaster for just stop oil. so this clip dropped this this clip just dropped this morning. — this clip just dropped this morning. -vel this clip just dropped this morning. -we play morning. i believe we can play it. morning. i believe we can play itlioot— morning. i believe we can play it..l00k.this._ morning. i believe we can play it..look.this.-waterl it. so look at this. the water comes-balcony.- it. so look at this. the water comes balcony. all comes off the balcony. all rignt. — comes off the balcony. all rignt. -vve— comes off the balcony. all rigtt-ve go.- comes off the balcony. all right. we go. and that right. there we go. and that waters— right. there we go. and that water's falling— right. there we go. and that water's falling .— right. there we go. and that water's falling . falling to the water's falling. falling to the troop— water's falling. falling to the ttoon vvaitop — water's falling. falling to the floor, wallop .— water's falling. falling to the floor, wallop . there we go. floor, wallop. there we go. vvaiiop— floor, wallop. there we go. vvaiiop i— floor, wallop. there we go. wallop i have— floor, wallop. there we go. wallop i have that. you know , wallop i have that. you know, tneyire— wallop i have that. you know, tney-re stov— wallop i have that. you know, they're slow walking through the street— they're slow walking through the street and — they're slow walking through the street and the— they're slow walking through the street and the water comes down. inereis— street and the water comes down. inere-s a— street and the water comes down. inere-s a van— street and the water comes down. there's a van, man,— street and the water comes down. there's a van, man, behind them . and— there's a van, man, behind them . and tney— there's a van, man, behind them . and tney are— there's a van, man, behind them . and they are not— there's a van, man, behind them . and they are not particularly happy— . and they are not particularly nappy witn— . and they are not particularly happy with just— . and they are not particularly happy with just stop oil. in tast— happy with just stop oil. in fact, neis— happy with just stop oil. in fact, neis so— happy with just stop oil. in fact, he's so not— happy with just stop oil. in fact, he's so not happy. he's ne-s— fact, he's so not happy. he's neis skirting— fact, he's so not happy. he's he's skirting around them. look at-ue-s—

he's skirting around them. look at-he's decided- he's skirting around them. look at-he's decided to- he's skirting around them. look at he's decided to just at this. he's decided to just mount— at this. he's decided to just nount tne— at this. he's decided to just mount the pavement and he's sped away— mount the pavement and he's sped avay tor— mount the pavement and he's sped avvay tor atout— mount the pavement and he's sped away for about-yards- mount the pavement and he's sped away for about yards because away for about two yards because tnere-s— away for about two yards because tnere-s-iignt— away for about two yards because there's-light in— away for about two yards because there's light in tesco's there's a red light in a tesco's trottey— there's a red light in a tesco's trottey tnere. — there's a red light in a tesco's trolley there. there we go. trolley there. but there we go. its— trolley there. but there we go. it-s—tnere-s- trolley there. but there we go. it's—there's all. it's actually now there's all a ton— it's actually now there's all a ion-pursuit— it's actually now there's all a low-pursuit isn't- it's actually now there's all a low pursuit isn't there. low speed pursuit isn't there. oh low speed pursuit isn't there. son-iot— low speed pursuit isn't there. on-iot-to- low speed pursuit isn't there. oh - lot -to catch i low speed pursuit isn't there. oh-lot-to catch itl low speed pursuit isn't there. oh-lot-to catch it or oh this lot going to catch it or not.— oh this lot going to catch it or not. vve— oh this lot going to catch it or not. we don-t— oh this lot going to catch it or not. we don't know. he's not. we don't know. oh no he's avay. — not. we don't know. oh no he's avay. reis— not. we don't know. oh no he's avay. ue-s away.— not. we don't know. oh no he's away. he's away. he's made it. oh away. he's away. he's made it. or._r.._ away. he's away. he's made it. on—in tne- away. he's away. he's made it. oh_in the road. oh they're back in the road again. — oh they're back in the road again. de— oh they're back in the road again. he goes— oh they're back in the road again. he goes my family. again. he goes for my family. even— again. he goes for my family. even pedestrians— even pedestrians are getting annoyed—il even pedestrians are getting- annoyed—i annoyed with them now. i mean peopte—rust- people who are actually just waiting— people who are actually just waiting-angry- people who are actually just walking angry with them. walking are angry with them. they— they have alienated everyone. sood—tiotel they have alienated everyone. good—bloke in| good grief. that poor bloke in his good grief. that poor bloke in nts—on- good grief. that poor bloke in nts—on tnei his vans behind him. oh, the poiise— his vans behind him. oh, the poiise-sood- his vans behind him. oh, the police-good this. his vans behind him. oh, the police good this will police are here. good this will soive— police are here. good this will solve-problem— police are here. good this will. solve-problem-won't solve the problem quickly, won't it|tantastis. — solve the problem quickly, won't itifantastic. good— solve the problem quickly, won't it fantastic. good if in it? fantastic. good stuff. if in pan,— it? fantastic. good stuff. if in doutt,-soppers.- it? fantastic. good stuff. if in doubt, coppers. oh, doubt, call the coppers. oh, tiere— doubt, call the coppers. oh, tnere ve— doubt, call the coppers. oh, tnere we go. — doubt, call the coppers. oh, there we go. -are- doubt, call the coppers. oh, there we go. are they going there we go. what are they going to-rrrest— there we go. what are they going to-rnest tne— there we go. what are they going to .arrest the-in- there we go. what are they going to .arrest the - in the - there we go. what are they going to arrest the in the van to do? arrest the guy in the van for to do? arrest the guy in the van tor-tis— to do? arrest the guy in the van tor-nts nonn— to do? arrest the guy in the van for-his horn, do- for tooting his horn, do we app,— for tooting his horn, do we think,.what_ for tooting his horn, do we think,.what.we- for tooting his horn, do we think, what we reckon think, or what do we reckon vvterenovv—n think, or what do we reckon veerenovv— aiei think, or what do we reckon- we're _ now? are they we're going to do now? are they stit— we're going to do now? are they stir-tneyire— we're going to do now? are they still they're probably we're going to do now? are they still there, they're probably we're going to do now? are they still there, aren't'e probably we're going to do now? are they still there, aren't they?tably still there, aren't they? well, tnere— still there, aren't they? well, tnereigo. — still there, aren't they? well, there . go. that's - still there, aren't they? well, there go. that's just stop there we go. that's just stop oil there we go. that's just stop tit rignt— there we go. that's just stop oit rignt nov— there we go. that's just stop oil right now..is- there we go. that's just stop oil right now. is less than a oil right now. it is less than a vest— oil right now. it is less than a week to— oil right now. it is less than a week to go— oil right now. it is less than a week to go until— oil right now. it is less than a week to go until date with week to go until my date with destiny.— destiny. regular viewers and intends— destiny. regular viewers and listeners-show- destiny. regular viewers and listeners show will listeners of this show will know exastiy—an - listeners of this show will knowi exastiy—an going exactly what i mean. i am going to—on— exactly what i mean. i am going to—on stage- exactly what i mean. i am going to_on stage with- exactly what i mean. i am going to on stage with the to be dancing on stage with the treantoys— to be dancing on stage with the dreamboys who— to be dancing on stage with the dreamboys who are, of course, tne— dreamboys who are, of course, tne-nost— dreamboys who are, of course, tne-nost-groupl dreamboys who are, of course,| the-most-group of the uk's most famous group of mate— the uk's most famous group of mate-rin— the uk's most famous group of mate-tin going- the uk's most famous group of male-i'm going to. the uk's most famous group of male i'm going to be male strippers. i'm going to be doing—on- doing three routines on the nignt. — doing three routines on the nignt. -tnen- doing three routines on the night. them will be a night. one of them will be a soio— night. one of them will be a soio-i— night. one of them will be a soio-i-tne- night. one of them will be a solo-i-the-a. night. one of them will be ai solo-i-the-a few solo and i met the lads a few vests—

solo and i met the lads a few weeks ago— solo and i met the lads a few weeks ago to— solo and i met the lads a few weeks ago to learn the moves. yes:— weeks ago to learn the moves. ves—and- weeks ago to learn the moves. ves—and i- weeks ago to learn the moves. yes,_and i will. weeks ago to learn the moves.| yes,_and i will be yes, there we go. and i will be strutting— yes, there we go. and i will be strutting. stuff _ yes, there we go. and i will be strutting-stuff in- yes, there we go. and i will be strutting stuff in bromley strutting my stuff in bromley in rent— strutting my stuff in bromley in kent-wednesday- strutting my stuff in bromley in kent wednesday day and kent next wednesday day and viewers on gb— kent next wednesday day and viewers on gb news can now see ot— viewers on gb news can now see ot tne— viewers on gb news can now see ot tne nen— viewers on gb news can now see some of the men who will be pertorning— some of the men who will be performing with— some of the men who will be performing with me on the big nignt. — performing with me on the big nignt. toot— performing with me on the big nignt. root at— performing with me on the big night. look at those fine tigures— night. look at those fine tigures ot— night. look at those fine figures of men, night. look at those fine- figures of men,-who've figures of men, people who've spent—iives- figures of men, people who've spent lives looking spent their entire lives looking atter—and- spent their entire lives looking after and sculpting after each other and sculpting tneir— after each other and sculpting tneir-and— after each other and sculpting their- and then- after each other and sculpting their and then me. so their bodies and then me. so its— their bodies and then me. so itis not— their bodies and then me. so its not going— their bodies and then me. so it's not going to— their bodies and then me. so it's not going to be great. in tast— it's not going to be great. in fact, its— it's not going to be great. in rag, its going— it's not going to be great. in fact, it's going to- it's not going to be great. in fact, it's going to be utterly nuniiiating.— fact, it's going to be utterly humiliating. never humiliating. and i will never iive— humiliating. and i will never iive tnis— humiliating. and i will never live this down. _ humiliating. and i will never live this down. i— humiliating. and i will never live this down. i is no exaggeration- live this down. i is no exaggeration to say i'm absolutely— exaggeration to say i'm absolutely-of. exaggeration to say i'm - absolutely-of doing absolutely terrified of doing tnis.— absolutely terrified of doing this-lis— absolutely terrified of doing tnislis going— absolutely terrified of doing this..is going to- absolutely terrified of doing this. is going to be awful, this. it is going to be awful, tut— this. it is going to be awful, tut rin— this. it is going to be awful, tut tin-it— this. it is going to be awful, but i'm-it for- this. it is going to be awful, but i'm-it for a- this. it is going to be awful, but i'm it for a good but i'm doing it for a good cause-doing- but i'm doing it for a good cause.-doing it- but i'm doing it for a good cause. doing it to raise cause. i'm doing it to raise money— cause. i'm doing it to raise money tor— cause. i'm doing it to raise money for the— cause. i'm doing it to raise money for the mental health snarity— money for the mental health snarity mind.— money for the mental health charity mind. and i'm delighted to_wonderful- charity mind. and i'm delighted. to_wonderful people to say that you wonderful people nave—tnan- to say that you wonderful people. have _than £66,000. have donated more than £66,000. inanr— have donated more than £66,000. inanr-to— have donated more than £66,000. thank-to everyone— have donated more than £66,000. thank to everyone who has thank you to everyone who has given— thank you to everyone who has given noney— thank you to everyone who has given money so— thank you to everyone who has given money so far. we can make a ditterense— given money so far. we can make a difference to— given money so far. we can make a difference to the— given money so far. we can make a difference to the mental neaitn— a difference to the mental health crisis. _ a difference to the mental health crisis. and it's just giving.com/fundraising forward stasn— giving.com/fundraising forward stasn sasn— giving.com/fundraising forward slash cash challenge. christi's . rust— giving.com/fundraising/challenge ratrist— giving.com/fundraising/challenge patrick christys _ giving.com/fundraising/challenge patrick christys let's see if we get— patrick christys let's see if we get to— patrick christys let's see if we get to is—

patrick christys let's see if we get to is r— patrick christys let's see if we can get to 70 k that would be vvondertui— can get to 70 k that would be wonderful and— can get to 70 k that would be wonderful and would save lives. but wonderful and would save lives. tut tnere— wonderful and would save lives. tut tnere ve— wonderful and would save lives. but there we-look- wonderful and would save lives. but there we look here's but there we go. look here's vnat— but there we go. look here's vnat-soning- but there we go. look here's what-coming up- but there we go. look here's what coming up very what i've got coming up very snotty.— what i've got coming up very. snotty—pain shortly. there's even more pain novvr—to— shortly. there's even more pain now—for millions. shortly. there's even more pain now—for millions of| now on the way for millions ofj homeowners, _ rate homeowners, that interest rate was-to— homeowners, that interest rate was-to 5.— homeowners, that interest rate was-to 5- ine- homeowners, that interest rate was to 5. the bank of was increased to 5. the bank of tngiand— was increased to 5. the bank of england governor— was increased to 5. the bank of england governor andrew bailey has england governor andrew bailey nas a— england governor andrew bailey nas a new— england governor andrew bailey has a new-today.- england governor andrew bailey has a new today. he's the has a new name today. he's the tant— has a new name today. he's the tank ot— has a new name today. he's the bank of england.— has a new name today. he's the bank of england. and i think he snouid— bank of england. and i think he snouid-tut— bank of england. and i think he snouid-tut-a- bank of england. and i think he should-but-a load- bank of england. and i think he should but a load of should quit. but get a load of tnis— should quit. but get a load of tits is— should quit. but get a load of this is immigration. more immigration— this is immigration. more immigration really our only way out ot— immigration really our only way out of-crisis?_ immigration really our only way out of-crisis? i— immigration really our only way out of-crisis? i say- immigration really our only way out of crisis? i say no. out of this crisis? i say no. tind— out of this crisis? i say no. tind out— out of this crisis? i say no. tind out vny. — out of this crisis? i say no. find out why. patrick find out why. surely patrick snristys— find out why. surely patrick christys- news, - find out why. surely patrick christys news, britain's christys on gb news, britain's

channel it's 4 i channell it's 4 pm. ichannel. it's 4 pm. is |stannei— it's 4 pm. is patrick christys. its— it's 4 pm. is patrick christys. itis st— it's 4 pm. is patrick christys. itis st revs.— it's 4 pm. is patrick christys. it's gb news. and— it's 4 pm. is patrick christys. it's gb news. and in light of tne— it's gb news. and in light of the economic— it's gb news. and in light of the economic mayhem that is teing— the economic mayhem that is teing reigned— the economic mayhem that is being reigned down by us, by the insas— being reigned down by us, by the incas competent— being reigned down by us, by the incas competent chief of the tant— incas competent chief of the tank ot— incas competent chief of the bank of england, i'm just asking pretty— bank of england, i'm just asking pretty straightforwardly, are we teing— pretty straightforwardly, are we teing run— pretty straightforwardly, are we teing ty— pretty straightforwardly, are we being run by idiots? i certainly tninr— being run by idiots? i certainly did vve— being run by idiots? i certainly did we are— being run by idiots? i certainly think we are .— being run by idiots? i certainly think we are . nothing seems to think we are. nothing seems to be think we are. nothing seems to te-rignt— think we are. nothing seems to be-right wherever- think we are. nothing seems to be right wherever you be going right wherever you toot,— be going right wherever you look,-across- be going right wherever you look, across board look, right across the board on tott— look, right across the board on totn—uouse- look, right across the board on both—house of- both sides of the house of commons. .we- both sides of the house of commons. we being run by

commons. are we being run by atsoiute— commons. are we being run by absolute—also- commons. are we being run by absolute also going absolute idiots? i'm also going toltairing,— absolute idiots? i'm also going toltairing, ot— absolute idiots? i'm also going to talking, of course, a lot to be talking, of course, a lot atout— to be talking, of course, a lot about immigration about this. is immigration reaiiy— about this. is immigration reatty snore— about this. is immigration really more mass immigration ready— really more mass immigration reaiiy tne— really more mass immigration really the only— really more mass immigration really the only way that we can tne — really the only way that we can cure the economy— really the only way that we can cure the economy and get this soive— cure the economy and get this soive tne— cure the economy and get this solve the housing— cure the economy and get this solve the housing crisis spreadsheet.- solve the housing crisis spreadsheet. philip hammond's sravied— spreadsheet. philip hammond's sravied out— spreadsheet. philip hammond's crawled out from _ spreadsheet. philip hammond's crawled out from back under his rost— crawled out from back under his rosr and— crawled out from back under his rosr and piped— crawled out from back under his rosr and piped up— crawled out from back under his rock and piped up saying that nayte— rock and piped up saying that nayte snore— rock and piped up saying that maybe more mass immigration is the maybe more mass immigration is tne-toesn-t— maybe more mass immigration is the-doesn'tldefeat- the answer. doesn't it defeat tne— the answer. doesn't it defeat. the—conservatives the idea that the conservatives wanted— the idea that the conservatives ever wanted reduce it? but ever wanted to reduce it? but iin — ever wanted to reduce it? but iin .going— ever wanted to reduce it? but tin-going to— ever wanted to reduce it? but i'm going to talking i'm also going to be talking atout— i'm also going to be talking about-titan— i'm also going to be talking about-titan has- i'm also going to be talking about titan has time. sadly about the titan has time. sadly run about the titan has time. sadly oute— about the titan has time. sadly oute vve— about the titan has time. sadly run out? we were— about the titan has time. sadly run out? we were hearing that tiere— run out? we were hearing that tnere vveie— run out? we were hearing that there were oxygen supplies on tnat— there were oxygen supplies on tnat sratt— there were oxygen supplies on that craft that— there were oxygen supplies on that craft that somewhere we tninr— that craft that somewhere we did nea— that craft that somewhere we think near the _ that craft that somewhere we think near the wreck of the titans— think near the wreck of the iitanis .— think near the wreck of the titanic . supposedly that oxygen titanic. supposedly that oxygen ran-atout— titanic. supposedly that oxygen ran .about mid _ titanic. supposedly that oxygen ran about mid day, but there ran out about mid day, but there is stit— ran out about mid day, but there is stiii nope.— ran out about mid day, but there is still hope. there— ran out about mid day, but there is still hope. there is nopetutty— is still hope. there is hopefully-rl is still hope. there is. hopefully-, they is still hope. there is- hopefully-, they still hopefully anyway, they still a sansen— hopefully anyway, they still a sansen ot— hopefully anyway, they still a chance of rescue— hopefully anyway, they still a chance of rescue . i'll be chance of rescue. i'll be taking— chance of rescue. i'll be talking about- chance of rescue. i'll be talking about all of that. and more trans madness. yes i am going— more trans madness. yes i am going to— more trans madness. yes i am going to te— more trans madness. yes i am going to be talking to the lad. reis— going to be talking to the lad. he's scottish. _ going to be talking to the lad. he's scottish. a— going to be talking to the lad. he's scottish. a lot of people viii— he's scottish. a lot of people viii nave— he's scottish. a lot of people will have seen— he's scottish. a lot of people will have seen this video who atsoiuteiy— will have seen this video who absolutely copped it and ended up teing— absolutely copped it and ended up being expelled from a school absolutely copped it and ended upscotland pelled from a school absolutely copped it and ended upscotland forled from a school absolutely copped it and ended upscotland for sayingn a school absolutely copped it and ended upscotland for saying that ichool in scotland for saying that tiere— in scotland for saying that tnere — in scotland for saying that there were only— in scotland for saying that there were only two genders. i viii— there were only two genders. i viii nave— there were only two genders. i will have him _ there were only two genders. i will have him on— there were only two genders. i will have him on the show thanks to you— will have him on the show thanks to you wonderful— will have him on the show thanks to you wonderful people who

managed— to you wonderful people who managed to— to you wonderful people who managed to help me track him down— managed to help me track him down oniine— managed to help me track him down oniine .— managed to help me track him down online . patrick christys on down online. patrick christys on . st— down online. patrick christys on . st revs— down online. patrick christys on . gb news gbviews@gbnews.com. i'll . gb news gbviews@gbnews.com. it keep— . gb news gbviews@gbnews.com. iiii reep it— . gb news gbviews@gbnews.com. i'll keep it simple— . gb news gbviews@gbnews.com. i'll keep it simple .— . gb news gbviews@gbnews.com. i'll keep it simple . do you i'll keep it simple. do you tninr— i'll keep it simple. do you did we— i'll keep it simple. do you think we are _ i'll keep it simple. do you think we are being run by idiots unen— think we are being run by idiots vvnen it— think we are being run by idiots when it comes— think we are being run by idiots when it comes to— think we are being run by idiots when it comes to hs2 ? when it when it comes to hs2? when it to— when it comes to hs2? when it to tne— when it comes to hs2? when it comes to the net— when it comes to hs2? when it comes to the net zero agenda, unen— comes to the net zero agenda, vvnen it— comes to the net zero agenda, vvnen it soes— comes to the net zero agenda, when it comes to— comes to the net zero agenda, when it comes to the bank of tngiand,— when it comes to the bank of ingtand, vvnen— when it comes to the bank of england, when it— when it comes to the bank of england, when it comes to immigration,— england, when it comes to immigration, when it comes to tranriy— immigration, when it comes to frankly anything— immigration, when it comes to frankly anything .— immigration, when it comes to frankly anything . if you look frankly anything. if you look aound— frankly anything. if you look. around—commons, frankly anything. if you look- around_commons, you around the house of commons, you took—industry.- around the house of commons, you look—industry. are- around the house of commons, you look—industry. are we. look around big industry. are we being— look around big industry. are we being-mummies- look around big industry. are we being numpties gb views being run by numpties gb views gb being run by numpties gb views ea news— being run by numpties gb views ea news-poorly— being run by numpties gb views gb news poorly with gb news .com poorly now with the headlines— gb news .com poorly now with the headlines .— gb news .com poorly now with the headlines . — gb news .com poorly now with the headlines . patrick— gb news .com poorly now with the headlines . f headlines. patrick thank you. well, we start with some breaking news coming to us in the last few moments 20,000 rail as i was saying, 20,000 railway workers going on strike for three days in july. the rmt union announcing industrial action on the 20th. the 22nd and the 29th of july. that is part of an ongoing national rail dispute. more on that story as we get it. but confirmation

there will be picket lines this july during the holiday season on britain's railways. more later. well the other big news today, the bank of england raised the interest rate by half a percentage point to 5. now, that's the highest rate in 15 years. the bank trying to tackle ongoing inflation. the bank's governor, andrew bailey, says inflation is still too high and must be dealt with . the must be dealt with. the chancellor jeremy must be dealt with. the chancellorjeremy hunt, says the government's resolve to bring inflation down is watertight. but this is the 13th time in a row the bank has increased the interest rate. speaking to warehouse workers in kent today, the prime minister said that halving inflation is still his top priority. but there was no easy fix. i know how important this is. that's why i said it as my— this is. that's why i said it as my top— this is. that's why i said it as my top priority-— this is. that's why i said it as my top priority. and- that's why i said it as my top priority. and look , it's my top priority. and look, it's nee— my top priority. and look, it's not easy.— my top priority. and look, it's not easy. rooting— my top priority. and look, it's not easy. rooting out inflation is nee— not easy. rooting out inflation is not easy.— not easy. rooting out inflation is not easy. it— not easy. rooting out inflation is not easy. it requires difficult— is not easy. it requires difficult decisions. doesn't happen— difficult decisions. doesn't happen overnight. right. but if we een-e— happen overnight. right. but if we een-e eee— happen overnight. right. but if we don't get on— happen overnight. right. but if we don't get on top of it, it would— we don't get on top of it, it would dwel— we don't get on top of it, it would just get— we don't get on top of it, it would just get worse and it

wedd— would just get worse and it would last— would just get worse and it would last longer. and that's wel— would last longer. and that's wed gelled— would last longer. and that's wed gelled le— would last longer. and that's not going to do— would last longer. and that's not going to do anyone any fewewe. we— not going to do anyone any favours. it's not— not going to do anyone any favours. it's not going to be deed— favours. it's not going to be deed-wed— favours. it's not going to be deed-wed edd- favours. it's not going to be good you and your families good for you and your families in good for you and your families lw-ww-ewew- good for you and your families. in-run.-even though in the long run. and even though it in the long run. and even though d—wdwe— in the long run. and even though d—wdwelmdlel it means they'll have to make some-decisions,- it means they'll have to make some decisions, that's some difficult decisions, that's the some difficult decisions, that's wee-edme— some difficult decisions, that's the prime minister i am the type of prime minister i am because— the type of prime minister i am leedweelwdwl— the type of prime minister i am because iwant-the- the type of prime minister i am because want the right because i want to do the right deleg— because i want to do the right ddwd fer— because i want to do the right ddwd fer-dwd— because i want to do the right thing for and your families thing for you and your families in thing for you and your families lee—well- thing for you and your families lw—well dmldl in the long term. well, amid rising interest rates. labour has called on the banks to provide support to homeowners facing payment facing mortgage payment difficulties. the party claiming their five point plan would allow borrowers to switch to interest only payments or extend their mortgage terms. the government says lenders already required to engage with struggling customers. labour leader sir keir starmer says his party's plan will provide the security the country needs . security the country needs. we're going to take this on. we— we're going to take this on. lde d— we're going to take this on. lde at de— we're going to take this on. it's at the heart— we're going to take this on. it's at the heart of everything edd— it's at the heart of everything and d— it's at the heart of everything and d ewewe— it's at the heart of everything and it shows our— it's at the heart of everything and it shows our determination to and it shows our determination le de— and it shows our determination to fix dee— and it shows our determination to fix the fundamentals. but mele— to fix the fundamentals. but make british— to fix the fundamentals. but make british inflation stickier . eleldl— make british inflation stickier . global shocks— make british inflation stickier . global shocks more painful way down— . global shocks more painful way down ew— . global shocks more painful way down on yew— . global shocks more painful way down on your profits and the llwwd— down on your profits and the living standards— down on your profits and the living standards of our people . living standards of our people. and— living standards of our people. and deede— living standards of our people. and that's the _ living standards of our people. and that's the partnership we elder— and that's the partnership we elder d— and that's the partnership we ended d ne— and that's the partnership we offer a new plan— and that's the partnership we offer a new plan for a new

element— offer a new plan for a new settlement for— offer a new plan for a new settlement for renewal, not deellne— settlement for renewal, not deellne .— settlement for renewal, not decline . the— settlement for renewal, not decline . the future, not the decline. the future, not the need— decline. the future, not the need .— decline. the future, not the peel . ene— decline. the future, not the past . the builders, not the past. the builders, not the weeken— past. the builders, not the nleelen .— past. the builders, not the blockers . well— past. the builders, not the blockers . well let's turn our blockers. well let's turn our dnendene— blockers. well let's turn our attentions to _ blockers. well let's turn our attentions to the— blockers. well let's turn our attentions to the north atlantic as we — attentions to the north atlantic now as the search— attentions to the north atlantic now as the search enters its ended— now as the search enters its critical phase _ now as the search enters its critical phase for— now as the search enters its critical phase for the submersible that got lost on swnddw— submersible that got lost on sunday morning— submersible that got lost on sunday morning to remotely enended— sunday morning to remotely operated vehicles are joining the operated vehicles are joining lne seden— operated vehicles are joining the search now— operated vehicles are joining the search now for the missing man— the search now for the missing titan submerged— the search now for the missing titan submerged symbol, the ween— titan submerged symbol, the ween — titan submerged symbol, the victor. 6000— titan submerged symbol, the victor. 6000 ,— titan submerged symbol, the victor. 6000 , has- titan submerged symbol, the victor. ll000 titan submerged symbol, the victor. lw000 t wt? victor. 6000, has two mechanical arms, which can carry out manoeuvres like cutting or moving debris. and a second powerful underwater rescue vesselis powerful underwater rescue vessel is also being flown in from jersey . both can reach the from jersey. both can reach the seabed and transmit images back to the surface. the us coast guard is sticking to its line this remains an active search and rescue operation and we know that five people are still inside the missing submersible that lost contact on sunday. hamish harding is one of them. his friend says he didn't think the vessel was safe . i wasn't the vessel was safe. i wasn't happy the vessel was safe. i wasn't nappy wnn— the vessel was safe. i wasn't happy with some_ the vessel was safe. i wasn't happy with some of- i wasn't happy with some of the design , happy with some of the design, like happy with some of the design, llle tne— happy with some of the design, like the thrusters— happy with some of the design, like the thrusters on the

ewlelde— like the thrusters on the outside with _ like the thrusters on the outside with the cables there. i lnewdnl— outside with the cables there. i lnewgnl lnd— outside with the cables there. i thought that was— outside with the cables there. i thought that was a snagging needwd. — thought that was a snagging needwd. nul— thought that was a snagging hazard. but what really did it for me— hazard. but what really did it for me was they— hazard. but what really did it for me was they they flatly wenweed — for me was they they flatly refused to — for me was they they flatly refused to get— for me was they they flatly refused to get any form of certification— refused to get any form of certification .— refused to get any form of certification . and it seemed certification. and it seemed lnd— certification. and it seemed lnd tney— certification. and it seemed that they had _ certification. and it seemed that they had no intention of dewdnd— that they had no intention of deldnd any— that they had no intention of getting any certification for going— getting any certification for gone down — getting any certification for gone down le— getting any certification for going down to those depths once , led— going down to those depths once , led done— going down to those depths once , let alone several— going down to those depths once , let alone several times . the , let alone several times. the dwelnldn— , let alone several times. the ukrainian intelligence and seewnw— ukrainian intelligence and security service has received lnnewndden— security service has received information that— security service has received information that russia is eeneldennd— information that russia is considering an- information that russia is considering an attack on the zdpenznznld— considering an attack on the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in dwelne. — zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in ukraine. president- zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in ukraine. : ?w: . ukraine. president vladimir zelenskyy says his country will share all available information with global partners. warning radiation knows no national borders and its hits are only determined by the direction of the wind . here a man who the wind. here a man who allegedly smuggled thousands of people from africa into italy has been arrested in the uk . the has been arrested in the uk. the 40 year old egyptian was detained in london by the national crime agency . he's now national crime agency. he's now being questioned on suspicion of

facilitating illegal immigration . russian king charles says the windrush generation has made a significant difference to the people of the uk, praising its legacy as profound and permanent . at 75 years after the first crossing from the caribbean, the king is among those at a service held at windsor castle, later marking the anniversary . three marking the anniversary. three and a £1 million fundraising efforts are also underway to recover the anchor from the ship and put it on display. rmt empire windrush sank off the coast of algeria in 1954. now here's a strange one. the tech billionaire elon musk is picking a fight with mark zuckerberg , a fight with mark zuckerberg, the head of facebook. and guess what.7 the meta boss is up for it. mr musk posted on twitter that he was keen for a cage fight with mr zuckerberg, the fellow tech billionaire then replied, posting a screenshot of the tweet on instagram with the

caption send me location to twitter's ceo, responded a vegas octagon . we'll keep you posted octagon. we'll keep you posted on that. back to . on that. back to. patrick in light of all the on that. back to. patrick- . in light of all the economic in light of all the economic and there- in light of all the economic and there is. and political news that there is out and political news that there is end—tnewdnll out there today, i just thought i'd out there today, i just thought l-d-lnle. — out there today, i just thought l-d-lnle. we- out there today, i just thought i'd-this. we are- i'd start with this. we are newne— i'd start with this. we are nelnd nnn— i'd start with this. we are nelnd ny— i'd start with this. we are being run by idiots everywhere you leew— being run by idiots everywhere you look, there— being run by idiots everywhere you look, there appears to be llnd— you look, there appears to be some kind of— you look, there appears to be some kind of disaster and it's nel— some kind of disaster and it's not d— some kind of disaster and it's not d eneel— some kind of disaster and it's not a shock when _ some kind of disaster and it's not a shock when you see who's wwnnlnd— not a shock when you see who's wwnnlnd tne— not a shock when you see who's running the show.— not a shock when you see who's running the show. we're now lelllnd— running the show. we're now ldlllng-ddnd- running the show. we're now talking going into a talking about going into a deliberate— talking about going into a deliberate recession thanks to the deliberate recession thanks to tne—fellwee- deliberate recession thanks to the—failures by. deliberate recession thanks to l the _failures by the the fundamental failures by the fat the fundamental failures by the nd ed— the fundamental failures by the fat cat governor— the fundamental failures by the fat cat governor bank of fat cat governor of the bank of england,— fat cat governor of the bank of england-tne- fat cat governor of the bank of england, the bank of england, more like the bank of england.— england, more like the bank of england._could| england. stevie wonder could newe— england. stevie wonder could nave-ende- england. stevie wonder could have crisis coming . have seen this crisis coming. and— have seen this crisis coming. and-ed— have seen this crisis coming. and-ed en- have seen this crisis coming. and-sat on his- have seen this crisis coming. and sat on his hands. and he just sat on his hands. and— and he just sat on his hands. and-millions— and he just sat on his hands. and-millions of- and he just sat on his hands. and millions of people are and now millions of people are going— and now millions of people are done wowe— and now millions of people are going broke because he was wenenedlw— going broke because he was. reportedly—wheel. reportedly asleep at the wheel. ended— chief medical officer chris wnnw— chief medical officer chris wnnw ,— chief medical officer chris wnllw , wne— chief medical officer chris whitty , who looks someone's whitty, who looks like someone's rolled— whitty, who looks like someone's rolled-edd— whitty, who looks like someone's rolled-ede ln— whitty, who looks like someone's rolled-egg in cat- whitty, who looks like someone's rolled egg in cat hair, whitty, who looks like someone's ro back egg in cat hair, whitty, who looks like someone's ro back in egg in cat hair, whitty, who looks like someone's ro back in front egg in cat hair, whitty, who looks like someone's ro back in front ofg in cat hair, whitty, who looks like someone's ro back in front of the cat hair, whitty, who looks like someone's ro back in front of the covidir, is back in front of the covid lndwlw— is back in front of the covid lndwlw weddw. — is back in front of the covid inquiry today. served up inquiry today. he served up wedleden—

inquiry today. he served up prediction after— inquiry today. he served up prediction after prediction anew— prediction after prediction after prediction . that was after prediction. that was wond— after prediction. that was wond-wwend- after prediction. that was wwend-wwend i after prediction. that was wrong, wrong . he after prediction. that was- wrong,-wrong . he wasn't wrong, wrong, wrong. he wasn't nelned,— wrong, wrong, wrong. he wasn't nelned, en— wrong, wrong, wrong. he wasn't helped, of course,— wrong, wrong, wrong. he wasn't helped, of course, by the leader of ne— helped, of course, by the leader on we wedd— helped, of course, by the leader of the world health organisation , tne— of the world health organisation , lne nennnd— of the world health organisation , the random _chap- of the world health organisation , the random chap who , the random ethiopian chap who lnlddllw— , the random ethiopian chap who lnlddllw saying— , the random ethiopian chap who initially saying that there was no-of_ initially saying that there was ne-en nwndn- initially saying that there was no-of human to- initially saying that there was no of human to human no evidence of human to human wdnenleelen— no evidence of human to human transmission of— no evidence of human to human transmission of covid rishi swndl— transmission of covid rishi swndl plane— transmission of covid rishi sunak plans to— transmission of covid rishi sunak plans to cut the asylum eeeewl— sunak plans to cut the asylum seeker backlog— sunak plans to cut the asylum seeker backlog of— sunak plans to cut the asylum seeker backlog of reportedly ndde— seeker backlog of reportedly ndde lnlnde— seeker backlog of reportedly made things worse. the leader of the made things worse. the leader of tne—teles— made things worse. the leader of tne—delee tne- made things worse. the leader of the _takes the knee. i the opposition takes the knee. wne—lln- the opposition takes the knee. the—lib dems. the opposition takes the knee. . the—lib dems goes the leader of the lib dems goes nleelnd—lne- the leader of the lib dems goes missing—the hide- the leader of the lib dems goes missing the hide and missing more than the hide and seen— missing more than the hide and seek-champion.-of. seek world champion. one of new— seek world champion. one of their councillors— seek world champion. one of their councillors tweeted a newne— their councillors tweeted a picture-bacon, - their councillors tweeted a picture bacon, one picture of some bacon, one saying— picture of some bacon, onei saying—breaking picture of some bacon, one- saying_breaking his saying that he was breaking his ndndddn— saying that he was breaking his ramadan _former- saying that he was breaking his ramadan former leader ramadan fast. the former leader of ramadan fast. the former leader een-le— ramadan fast. the former leader of-is embroiled- ramadan fast. the former leader of-is embroiled in- of the snp is embroiled in a scandal— of the snp is embroiled in a scandal which— of the snp is embroiled in a scandal which she denies is welddnd— scandal which she denies is welddnd le— scandal which she denies is relating to some— scandal which she denies is relating to some money and a ednnewdn— relating to some money and a ednnewdn ln— relating to some money and a campervan in the— relating to some money and a campervan in the current snp lender— campervan in the current snp leddew een-l— campervan in the current snp leader can't ride _ campervan in the current snp leader can't ride a scooter wnnewl—n- leader can't ride a scooter without-it .- leader can't ride a scooter without-it . thej without falling off it. the mayor— without falling off it. the mayor-london- without falling off it. the mayor london thinks anybody mayor of london thinks anybody wne— mayor of london thinks anybody wne deeen-l— mayor of london thinks anybody who doesn't want— mayor of london thinks anybody who doesn't want to pay more for the who doesn't want to pay more for tne—le— who doesn't want to pay more for the—islright-- the ulez charge is far right. we— the ulez charge is far right. the leaders— the ulez charge is far right. the leaders local councils the leaders of local councils llle— the leaders of local councils llle wellnd— the leaders of local councils like woking slough and croydon newe— like woking slough and croydon nave—dend- like woking slough and croydon nave—dell tol have racked up enough debt to cover-annual— have racked up enough debt to cover- annual gdp- have racked up enough debt to cover annual gdp of a medium cover the annual gdp of a medium deed— cover the annual gdp of a medium elzed andean— cover the annual gdp of a medium sized african nation.— cover the annual gdp of a medium sized african nation. people wnn— sized african nation. people wnn nndnl— sized african nation. people with bright orange vests glueing lneneelwee— with bright orange vests glueing themselves to— with bright orange vests glueing themselves to roads are allowed to delete— themselves to roads are allowed to dddde ew— themselves to roads are allowed to dictate our environmental polew— to dictate our environmental pellew. wne— to dictate our environmental pellew. wne redn— to dictate our environmental policy. the raf hasn't recruited plen— policy. the raf hasn't recruited some pilots essentially because

new— some pilots essentially because new ween-l— some pilots essentially because they weren't diverse enough. the needle— they weren't diverse enough. the needle w-wee— they weren't diverse enough. the needle nul— they weren't diverse enough. the people we've put in charge of lwlldlnd— people we've put in charge of lwlldlnd d— people we've put in charge of building a slightly faster train nen— building a slightly faster train from birmingham to london are expected— from birmingham to london are expected le— from birmingham to london are expected to rack— from birmingham to london are expected to rack up a bill of downd— expected to rack up a bill of around £100— expected to rack up a bill of around £100 billion. our kids are around £100 billion. our kids newne— around £100 billion. our kids are being taught— around £100 billion. our kids are being taught by people who lnlnl— are being taught by people who lnlnl lnewe— are being taught by people who think there are _ are being taught by people who think there are 100 genders and new— think there are 100 genders and new een— think there are 100 genders and they can behave— think there are 100 genders and they can behave like farmyard dnlndle— they can behave like farmyard dnlndle ln— they can behave like farmyard animals in some— they can behave like farmyard animals in some areas, it endeare— animals in some areas, it appears nellee- animals in some areas, it appears police forces have more ednene— appears police forces have more ednene en— appears police forces have more chance of attending a pride evenl— chance of attending a pride ewenl n...— chance of attending a pride event than they— chance of attending a pride event than they do of going to the event than they do of going to we eeene— event than they do of going to we en— event than they do of going to the scene of a— event than they do of going to the scene of a burglary right tne— the scene of a burglary right across the board. _ the scene of a burglary right across the board. we are being by— across the board. we are being by ldlede— across the board. we are being by ldlede .— across the board. we are being run by idiots. in— across the board. we are being run by idiots. in case you eewldn-l— run by idiots. in case you couldn't tell— run by idiots. in case you couldn't tell ,— run by idiots. in case you couldn't tell , i've had enough. couldn't tell, i've had enough. vaiews@gbnews.com. more on that a vaiews@gbnews.com. more on that d unle— vaiews@gbnews.com. more on that d llnle laden— vaiews@gbnews.com. more on that a little later on— vaiews@gbnews.com. more on that a little later on in— vaiews@gbnews.com. more on that a little later on in the show. nul— a little later on in the show. new new— a little later on in the show. new le— a little later on in the show. but now to our— a little later on in the show. but now to our top story and the went— but now to our top story and the went fede— but now to our top story and the went teen et— but now to our top story and the worst fears of millions of homeowners came true today when the homeowners came true today when tne tent— homeowners came true today when tne tent et— homeowners came true today when the bank of england— homeowners came true today when the bank of england increased the bank of england increased tne tne— the bank of england increased the base rate— the bank of england increased the base rate to— the bank of england increased the base rate to 5. it's the dew— the base rate to 5. it's the 13th consecutive- the base rate to 5. it's the 13th consecutive rate rise and were— 13th consecutive rate rise and tnewe dwe— 13th consecutive rate rise and there are fears— 13th consecutive rate rise and there are fears that it could hit there are fears that it could let ete— there are fears that it could let en by— there are fears that it could let en by tne— there are fears that it could hit 6% by the end of the year. tne— hit 6% by the end of the year. tne nen— hit 6% by the end of the year. tne wne— hit 6% by the end of the year. the man who was— hit 6% by the end of the year. the man who was supposed to stop tntletten— the man who was supposed to stop tntldtten gend— the man who was supposed to stop inflation going so—

the man who was supposed to stop inflation going so high, the governor of— inflation going so high, the governor of the _ inflation going so high, the governor of the bank of england, andrew— governor of the bank of england, andrew telew— governor of the bank of england, andrew bailey, says they had no entten— andrew bailey, says they had no entten end— andrew bailey, says they had no entten and ne— andrew bailey, says they had no option and no option but to tene— option and no option but to tne— option and no option but to raise the base— option and no option but to raise the base rates by half a% teddy— raise the base rates by half a% teddy we-we— raise the base rates by half a% today we've raised— raise the base rates by half a% today we've raised interest- today we've raised interest rates to 5. we've taken this decision because unfortunately inflation is still too high. the good news is our economy is doing better than we thought it might. inflation has begun to fall and unemployment is very low . but recent data have shown low. but recent data have shown us that further decisive action is needed . and in order to be is needed. and in order to be sure we get inflation back down. and that's why we've acted today. we will continue to do whatever is necessary . me i know whatever is necessary. me i know this is hard. many people with mortgages or loans will be rightly worried about what these changes mean for them . but if we changes mean for them. but if we don't raise rates now , high don't raise rates now, high inflation could stay with us for longer . our inflation could stay with us for longer. our and inflation could stay with us for longer . our and inflation hits longer. our and inflation hits all of us, particularly those who can least afford it . raising who can least afford it. raising interest rates is the best way we have of getting inflation back down to the 2% target. bear

in mind that he thought that inflation would be transitory , inflation would be transitory, so he was wrong about that. and then didn't act. and then- then didn't act. and then also alluded— then didn't act. and then also ellwded te— then didn't act. and then also alluded to the— then didn't act. and then also alluded to the fact that maybe needle— alluded to the fact that maybe people shouldn't— alluded to the fact that maybe people shouldn't ask for a pay ne— people shouldn't ask for a pay .— people shouldn't ask for a pay . and— people shouldn't ask for a pay rise . and then— people shouldn't ask for a pay rise . and then one of his team rise. and then one of his team edd— rise. and then one of his team edd newne— rise. and then one of his team said maybe people should accept being— said maybe people should accept tetnd teeter— said maybe people should accept being poorer and— said maybe people should accept being poorer and then he eewldn-t— being poorer and then he couldn't remember how much money he couldn't remember how much money ne—wnten— couldn't remember how much money ne—wnten n- he earned a year, which is somewhere-in- he earned a year, which is somewhere in the he earned a year, which is- somewhere-in the region somewhere roughly in the region of somewhere roughly in the region et-tsdt,ooo.— somewhere roughly in the region of-£575,000. but- somewhere roughly in the region of £575,000. but you of around £575,000. but you knew.— of around £575,000. but you knew. deed— of around £575,000. but you know. good stuff.— of around £575,000. but you know. good stuff. andrew. cneen— know. good stuff. andrew. cheers, mate.— know. good stuff. andrew. cheers, mate. yeah, great. the enme— cheers, mate. yeah, great. the prime minister— cheers, mate. yeah, great. the prime minister told an audience of prime minister told an audience et wed— prime minister told an audience of ikea workers— prime minister told an audience of ikea workers at— prime minister told an audience of ikea workers at a factory in tent— of ikea workers at a factory in tent tnat— of ikea workers at a factory in kent that there _ of ikea workers at a factory in kent that there was no alternative _ kent that there was no alternative . - kent that there was no alternative . wzzw" kent that there was no alternative . lit" kent that there was no- alternative . inflation eats into alternative. inflation eats into the pounds in your pocket. it's as simple as that. makes us everybody poorer . it as simple as that. makes us everybody poorer. it means pnces everybody poorer. it means prices go up. it means your savings get eroded . it puts jobs savings get eroded. it puts jobs and livelihoods at risk. and that's why it's so important that's why it's so important that we target it. and get it down. that's why i said i wanted to halve it on its way to getting it back to down 2% where it belongs . and i am absolutely it belongs. and i am absolutely confident that if we hold our nerve and stick to our plan, we will do that . tessa jowell think

will do that. tessa jowell think it's good enough anymore. is it really? i just don't think- really? i just don't think it's deed— really? i just don't think it's deed enewdn— really? i just don't think it's good enough, you know, the way tnat— good enough, you know, the way tndt needle — good enough, you know, the way tndt needle dwe— good enough, you know, the way that people are facing homelessness now , people who've homelessness now, people who've dene— homelessness now, people who've dene netntnd— homelessness now, people who've done nothing wrong. gone are the den— done nothing wrong. gone are the days_gw- done nothing wrong. gone are the den—dd on- days where you could go, oh well— days where you could go, oh well-wen— days where you could go, oh well-wed teet- days where you could go, ohi well,-you just-up well, should you just give up tne— well, should you just give up tne-tweeze— well, should you just give up the-booze-or,. well, should you just give up. the-booze-or, you the and the booze may or, you knew,— the and the booze may or, you knew—de- the and the booze may or, you knew—de twenl know, why don't you go from eneentng—te- shopping at waitrose to lidl? why— shopping at waitrose to lidl? why-y0u— shopping at waitrose to lidl? wnw-wew-tneeel why don't you do all these ltttle— why don't you do all these little things, _ why don't you do all these little things, people who are really— little things, people who are really - affected - little things, people who are really affected now are really being affected now are needle— really being affected now arei needle—netntnd people who are doing nothing wwend—ndwen-tl wrong actually, and haven't done dnwtntnd— anything wrong for the vast net-entw— anything wrong for the vast majority-lives. - anything wrong for the vast- majority-lives. .you majority of their lives. and you teet— majority of their lives. and you leet dend— majority of their lives. and you look around and— majority of their lives. and you look around and it's not very great.— look around and it's not very great. l— look around and it's not very great. i think,— look around and it's not very great. i think, for— look around and it's not very great. i think, for a prime wtnntew— great. i think, for a prime minister—andl great. i think, for a prime minister—and oh, minister to stand up and go, oh, den-t— minister to stand up and go, oh, dent-en— minister to stand up and go, oh, den-t-enlldde- don't worry, i'm on it, lads, tn— don't worry, i'm on it, lads, tn en— don't worry, i'm on it, lads, tn en lt— don't worry, i'm on it, lads, i'm on it anyway.- don't worry, i'm on it, lads, i'm on it anyway. former bank of tndldnd— i'm on it anyway. former bank of england adviser— i'm on it anyway. former bank of england adviser roger england adviser dr. roger ewdndxt— england adviser dr. roger ewdndxt-ne- england adviser dr. roger guangxi-me in- england adviser dr. roger- guangxi-me in-studio a guangxi joins me in the studio a ltttle— guangxi joins me in the studio a little earlier— guangxi joins me in the studio a little earlier on. _ guangxi joins me in the studio a little earlier on. if— guangxi joins me in the studio a little earlier on. if missed little earlier on. if you missed it. little earlier on. if you missed tt. well— little earlier on. if you missed tt. well-dend- little earlier on. if you missed it. well,-going to- little earlier on. if you missed it. well, going to have a it. well, you're going to have a need— it. well, you're going to have a need lette— it. well, you're going to have a second bite _cherry- it. well, you're going to have a second bite cherry here second bite at the cherry here because— second bite at the cherry here because-says— second bite at the cherry here because i says the - second bite at the cherry here because says the current because he says the current ettwetten— because he says the current situation outrageous . as our situation is outrageous. as our wetn— situation is outrageous. as our 13th consecutive— situation is outrageous. as our 13th consecutive interest rate ne— 13th consecutive interest rate tn— 13th consecutive interest rate tn d— 13th consecutive interest rate rise in a little— 13th consecutive interest rate rise in a little over a year , rise in a little over a year, tdttnd— rise in a little over a year, tdttnd .— rise in a little over a year, tdttng . ds— rise in a little over a year, taking . us to— rise in a little over a year, taking . us to 5% a people say, taking. us to 5% a people say, well— taking. us to 5% a people say, well wett— taking. us to 5% a people say, well wdtt d— taking. us to 5% a people say, well, wait a minute, you know, tnteweet— well, wait a minute, you know, interest rates— well, wait a minute, you know, interest rates were _ well, wait a minute, you know, interest rates were 14, 15% in tne— interest rates were 14, 15% in tne eee — interest rates were 14, 15% in tne eee new.— interest rates were 14, 15% in

the 80s. hey, you- interest rates were 14, 15% in the 80s. w; wt.l?g“ the 80s. hey, you know, calm down. well, you know, read the leeds building society and the other reports that have 6.4% mortgage today is the equivalent of a 25.7% mortgage in 1980. tell me about those good old days. hey i mean, this is outrageous . and both mr bailey outrageous. and both mr bailey and the old lady of threadneedle street, patrick, they both got form in this. bailey has been criticised for losing people billions by acting too slowly when he was running the financial conduct authority in the woodford crisis in the london and capital crisis where they say slowly , we didn't they say slowly, we didn't foresee inflation and then did what bailey is doing now piled on a slew of interest rate rises and wrecked the economy . me and wrecked the economy. me well, there we go. i mean, he went en—

well, there we go. i mean, he went en end— well, there we go. i mean, he went on and on— ”lliiliil gliw i mean, he went on and on actually, �*ftw�*wict “m1111 gwiw i mean, he went on and on actually, but all in went on and on actually, but all tn d— went on and on actually, but all tn d wen— went on and on actually, but all tn d very deed— went on and on actually, but all tn d very deed way.— went on and on actually, but all in a very good way. and came up wttn— in a very good way. and came up wttn sene— in a very good way. and came up with some solutions— in a very good way. and came up with some solutions that he said end— with some solutions that he said eewld te— with some solutions that he said could be done— with some solutions that he said could be done in— with some solutions that he said could be done in an afternoon. go could be done in an afternoon. ee te— could be done in an afternoon. ee te ew— could be done in an afternoon. go to our youtube_ could be done in an afternoon. go to our youtube channel and go to go to our youtube channel and go te-dt— go to our youtube channel and go te-dt en— go to our youtube channel and go te-dt en newe— go to our youtube channel and go to-at gb news. see- go to our youtube channel and go to at gb news. see that to twitter at gb news. see that tell— to twitter at gb news. see that tell-well— full interview. well worth a lnten. — full interview. well worth a lnten. nut— full interview. well worth a listen. but we— full interview. well worth a listen. but we want we want eelwttene— listen. but we want we want solutions-one- listen. but we want we wanti solutions-onelmy listen. but we want we want- solutions-onelmy old solutions now was one of my old edtten— solutions now was one of my old edtten et— solutions now was one of my old news editors at different ali news editors at a different ali een.— news editors at a different ali ewe-eentnd- news editors at a different ali een-eentnd te- news editors at a different ali says. coming to me with says. we start coming to me with ntetlene— says. we start coming to me with problems, coming— says. we start coming to me with problems, coming with problems, coming to me with eelwttene — problems, coming to me with solutions. _okay. . problems, coming to me with solutions. okay. well solutions. all right. okay. well wndt—tnnel what is the solution to this? well— what is the solution to this? well-te- what is the solution to this? well-te ene- what is the solution to this?i well,-to one former well, according to one former cndneellew— well, according to one formeri chancellor_ philip chancellor spreadsheet, philip ndnnend,— chancellor spreadsheet, philip hammond, re—emerged, hammond, who has re—emerged, it's hammond, who has re—emerged, tt-e newe— hammond, who has re—emerged, it's more immigration. that's because— it's more immigration. that's because allowing more people to entew— because allowing more people to entew tne— because allowing more people to entew tne dw— because allowing more people to enter the uk would provide more eennetttten— enter the uk would provide more competition for— enter the uk would provide more competition for jobs and stop lewew— competition for jobs and stop lewew edd— competition for jobs and stop lower paid workers demanding big pay — lower paid workers demanding big pay newe— lower paid workers demanding big pay rises. here we— lower paid workers demanding big pay rises. here we go. so do you remember when— pay rises. here we go. so do you remember when we _ pay rises. here we go. so do you remember when we were told that that remember when we were told that tndt nnn— remember when we were told that that mass immigration wasn't going— that mass immigration wasn't detnd te— that mass immigration wasn't going to saturate the labour newtete— going to saturate the labour market?.hasn't- going to saturate the labour market? hasn't doing market? it hasn't been doing it. all-tnewdnt— market? it hasn't been doing it. all-tnewdnt lt- market? it hasn't been doing it. all-thought it was. all of us who thought it was we're-absolutely- all of us who thought it was we're absolutely bonkers and we're all absolutely bonkers and tnat— that it's not driving down wddee. — that it's not driving down wedee. _tt- that it's not driving down weeed _tt nl that it's not driving down- wages. _it is because wages. yeah, well, it is because it wages. yeah, well, it is because tt etwtewelw— wages. yeah, well, it is because it obviously is. _ wages. yeah, well, it is because it obviously is. and— wages. yeah, well, it is because it obviously is. and he's also a tennew— it obviously is. and he's also a former conservative chancellor end— former conservative chancellor end lt— former conservative chancellor and it completely, completely wetne— and it completely, completely tne— and it completely, completely ruins the idea— and it completely, completely ruins the idea that the conservatives at least when he enwwnewe— conservatives at least when he was anywhere near power, of ned— was anywhere near power, of ned enw— was anywhere near power, of course, had any intention of twtngtnd— course, had any intention of twtndtnd dewn— course, had any intention of bringing down immigration whatsoever. _it. bringing down immigration

whatsoever. it an whatsoever. it doesn't it an etnelwte—net whatsoever. it doesn't it an- absolute _me now whatsoever. it doesn't it an- atstephen_me now whatsoever. it doesn't it an atstephen who's me now whatsoever. it doesn't it an atstephen who's the now is stephen wolf, who's the dtweetew— is stephen wolf, who's the director-the— is stephen wolf, who's the director the centre of director of the centre of wwtgwetten— director of the centre of migration economic migration and economic tweenewttw— prosperity. stephen, philip nennend— prosperity. stephen, philip nennend ,— prosperity. stephen, philip hammond , you know, back from the hammond, you know, back from the nelttteel— hammond, you know, back from the political wilderness— hammond, you know, back from the political wilderness to pipe up to political wilderness to pipe up te-t— political wilderness to pipe up n. tell— political wilderness to pipe up n. tell you— political wilderness to pipe up to-i tell you what- political wilderness to pipe up to i tell you what will to say, i tell you what will newe— to say, i tell you what will tewe-newe- to say, i tell you what will solve-more for. solve this crisis more for tnntdwente— solve this crisis more for immigrants that we can stop immigrants so that we can stop needle— immigrants so that we can stop people demanding better pay tenten— people demanding better pay tenten .— people demanding better pay bonkers . well,— people demanding better pay bonkers . well, philip hammond is bonkers. well, philip hammond is the bonkers. well, philip hammond is tne edwtwelent— bonkers. well, philip hammond is the equivalent of— bonkers. well, philip hammond is the equivalent of andrew bailey of the equivalent of andrew bailey et tne— the equivalent of andrew bailey et tne tweeeww— the equivalent of andrew bailey of the treasury . _ the equivalent of andrew bailey of the treasury . wi of the treasury. he's he's basically somebody who is the walking dead with ideas that are actually dead wrong for this country , have the kind of country, have the kind of concept that you want to bring in mass immigration down to lower wages is only the sort of comments that can be made from the very wealthy who would benefit most from having cheap laboun benefit most from having cheap labour. maybe they should ask for cheaper servants again. maybe can just ask people maybe they can just ask people working in coffee shops for nothing. perhaps builders nothing. perhaps their builders can come round and do it just for a quid and a cup of coffee and a biscuit because that's the kind mentality anybody kind of mentality of anybody that that bring in that suggests that we bring in large scale migration to bring

down wages. it's despicable , down wages. it's despicable, it's disgusting and it's down right lunacy only of those who are so wealthy that they cannot see the consequences of low wages for people in this country . i just think it's absolutely eteddewtng— . i just think it's absolutely eteddewtnd .— . i just think it's absolutely staggering . and— i just think it's absolutely staggering . and again, it just staggering. and again, it just eweeeen— staggering. and again, it just eweeeee tne— staggering. and again, it just exposes the lies— staggering. and again, it just exposes the lies that we were teld— exposes the lies that we were teld. ven— exposes the lies that we were told. you know,— exposes the lies that we were told. you know, mass immigration told. you know, mass immigration te tnn— told. you know, mass immigration te tnn eewntw. — told. you know, mass immigration to this country. don't be silly newne— to this country. don't be silly eewtng tnet— to this country. don't be silly saying that it's— to this country. don't be silly saying that it's saturates the telew— saying that it's saturates the labour market— saying that it's saturates the labour market driving your labour market and driving your wedee—etllw- labour market and driving youri wages—silly that wages down. don't be silly that it's going to stop you getting a pay nee— it's going to stop you getting a pay nen-ew— it's going to stop you getting a pay rise.-now here- it's going to stop you getting a pay rise. now here we are pay rise. and now here we are wttn— pay rise. and now here we are withlsituation_ pay rise. and now here we are with situation they say, with a situation where they say, oh, with a situation where they say, en-tnewe-e— with a situation where they say, en-tnewe-e ne— with a situation where they say, oh,-there's no way- with a situation where they say, oh, there's no way we oh, well, there's no way that we possibly— oh, well, there's no way that we can possibly stop— oh, well, there's no way that we can possibly stop paying people ee let-e— can possibly stop paying people more, so let's flood market more, so let's flood the market wttn— more, so let's flood the market. with—immigration more, so let's flood the market. the_immigration more, so let's flood the market. v\we at_immigration more, so let's flood the market v\we at million immigration . we at 1.2 million people arrive _country. - . we at 1.2 million people arrive country. last arrive in this country. last year— arrive in this country. last year 1.2— arrive in this country. last year 1.2 million- arrive in this country. last year 1.2 million people arrived in year 1.2 million people arrived mummy.— year 1.2 million people arrived in .country. and- year 1.2 million people arrived in country. and that's not in this country. and that's not enough. — in this country. and that's not enough. spreadsheet. i enough. a spreadsheet. phil, i would—n- enough. a spreadsheet. phil, i would—n byl would also just counter it by saying— would also just counter it by saying where— would also just counter it by saying where on— would also just counter it by saying where on are they saying where on earth are they all saying where on earth are they au-to— saying where on earth are they au-to live,— saying where on earth are they all-to live, phil?- saying where on earth are they all to live, phil? where saying where on earth are they all they to live, phil? where saying where on earth are they all they going'e, phil? where saying where on earth are they all they going to phil? where saying where on earth are they all they going to live? where saying where on earth are they all they going to live? look,e are they going to live? look, stephen,— are they going to live? look,- stephen,_about stephen, i am very sorry about this,— stephen, i am very sorry about this-am— stephen, i am very sorry about this-am being— stephen, i am very sorry about this, am being told that this, but i am being told that got— this, but i am being told that we've gotllittle_ this, but i am being told that we've got little of we've got a little bit of a problem — we've got a little bit of a problem with— we've got a little bit of a problem with your audio, my good so— problem with your audio, my good man. so we're going to have to leave— man. so we're going to have to leave-i— man. so we're going to have to leave-u do— man. so we're going to have to leave i do apologise, leave it there. i do apologise, but—itl but hopefully we can get it sorted.— but hopefully we can get it sorted. stephen— but hopefully we can get it sorted. stephen wolff, director but hopefully we can get it so the. stephen wolff, director but hopefully we can get it so the. steph�*of wolff, director but hopefully we can get it so the. steph�*of migrationzctor but hopefully we can get it so the. steph�*of migration and of the centre of migration and

economic— of the centre of migration andi economic—cop economic prosperity. yeah, cop a toad— economic prosperity. yeah, cop a load of— economic prosperity. yeah, cop a load of“...— economic prosperity. yeah, cop a load of this. we're— economic prosperity. yeah, cop a load of this. we're being faced with— load of this. we're being faced with an— load of this. we're being faced wiiii aim-i- load of this. we're being faced with an-rate rise- with an interest rate rise iniiaiion— with an interest rate rise inflation of inflation version coming out of our inflation version coming out of eyeiaiis.— inflation version coming out of our eyeballs. what is the our eyeballs. and what is the creativity— our eyeballs. and what is the creativity _the i creativity here? what is the soiuiioni— creativity here? what is the solution? horror? well, creativity here? what is the solljust ? horror? well, creativity here? what is the solljust more horror? well, creativity here? what is the solljust more migration. well, creativity here? what is the solljust more migration. isall, creativity here? what is the solljust more migration. is it., it's just more migration. is it from— it's just more migration. is it from spreadsheet, i find from spreadsheet, phil? i find iiiai— from spreadsheet, phil? i find that—baffling,- from spreadsheet, phil? i find that—baffling, to. from spreadsheet, phil? i find that baffling, to be that absolutely baffling, to be honest— that absolutely baffling, to be honest wiii— that absolutely baffling, to be honest with- i - that absolutely baffling, to be honest with i think honest with you. and i think ii-s— honest with you. and i think ifs-many,- honest with you. and i think it's-really, really. it's actually really, really offensive.— it's actually really, really offensive-get- it's actually really, really- offensive. - get - more on offensive. you get loads more on mai— offensive. you get loads more on that-our— offensive. you get loads more on that-our website. - offensive. you get loads more on that our website. gb that story on our website. gb news— that story on our website. gb news-im— that story on our website. gb news-the fastest- that story on our website. gb news the fastest growing news .com. the fastest growing naiionai— news .com. the fastest growing national news— news .com. the fastest growing national news site— news .com. the fastest growing national news site in the com.— national news site in the couniiy. ii-s— national news site in the country. it's got all the best my...— country. it's got all the best anaiysis, big— country. it's got all the best analysis, big opinion and the iaiesi— analysis, big opinion and the latest break— analysis, big opinion and the latest break news. now, i've iusi— latest break news. now, i've iusi used— latest break news. now, i've iuei ueei eie— latest break news. now, i've just used the words breaking news. we've only gone and got fei— news. we've only gone and got fee you— news. we've only gone and got some for you and— news. we've only gone and got some for you and it concerns us. prince— some for you and it concerns us. prince george— some for you and it concerns us. prince george ee— some for you and it concerns us. prince george gb news royal correspondent,— prince george gb news royal correspondent, the wonderful cemeien— correspondent, the wonderful cameron walker— correspondent, the wonderful cameron walker is with me now. whee— cameron walker is with me now. what is— cameron walker is with me now. what ielveeii— cameron walker is with me now. what is .yeah,-he- cameron walker is with me now. what is yeah, he has what is it? yeah, well, he has been— what is it? yeah, well, he has been epeiiei— what is it? yeah, well, he has been spotted at— what is it? yeah, well, he has been spotted at eton college wiii— been spotted at eton college viii-eni- been spotted at eton college with and mother, the with his father and mother, the prince — with his father and mother, the prince eni— with his father and mother, the prince and princess of wales. prince— prince and princess of wales. prince-nine- prince and princess of wales. prince - nine years . prince george is nine years old. eton college, the very prestigious, very expensive lviv boarding school, very near windsor. boris johnson went there. david cameron, former prime minister's and prince william and prince harry as well. it's very prestigious, which suggests to me they are perhaps looking at eton as an

opfion perhaps looking at eton as an option for prince george when he turns 13. so when he goes into year eight, that's when he would be expected to go there. he is currently at lambrook school, which is just down the road with him and his sister, princess charlotte , and his brother, charlotte, and his brother, prince louis, as well. but yeah, there's photographs on on social media which appear to show them looking around it. but kensington palace has not commented officially . they're commented officially. they're not commented— f: :::i“it they're not commented officially. but as we understand— not commented officially. but as we understand it,— not commented officially. but as we understand it, been we understand it, he's been looking— we understand it, he's been looking around— we understand it, he's been looking around he said 13. looking around eton. he said 13. i looking around eton. he said 13. i—peepie— looking around eton. he said 13. i—peepielie- i forgot posh people go to secondary— i forgot posh people go to. secondary—don't secondary school at 13, don't iieye—peepiel secondary school at 13, don't thead—people 90i secondary school at 13, don't. they-’_peple 90 11, they? most of the people go 11, i they? most of the people go 11, i-ixeeiiy. — they? most of the people go 11, i-exactly. yeah. - they? most of the people go 11, i exactly. yeah. i think. exactly. yeah. most peepie— i think. exactly. yeah. most peepie ge— i think. exactly. yeah. most peepie go in— i think. exactly. yeah. most people go in year seven, but an extra middle school, extra year in middle school, as it when you're it were. when you're when you're at boarding at when you're at boarding school private school. but school or a private school. but interestingly, on william's first eton, there first day at eton, there was this call and they this huge photo call and they erected massive scaffolding erected this massive scaffolding for all the photographers to take a photo of a young prince william on his first day. because the idea was that give the photographers what they want, a picture of the future king on his birthday, on his first day of school. and then

the idea was you leave him alone to have a private schooling experience . and that's exactly experience. and that's exactly what we've seen with william and catherine and their children on the 7th of september last year, on george , charlotte and louis, on george, charlotte and louis, first day at lambrook, the prince and princess of wales did a with them attending a photo call with them attending lambrook for the first lambrook school for the first time and then very sadly, the day after the late queen elizabeth ii died and prince william had to fly up to aberdeen last minute . but yes, aberdeen last minute. but yes, my point being obviously it's a photo call and they want school to be a private place for the children to grow up in. but clearly they know that they're in the public eye. these children and the media and the pubuc children and the media and the public want photographs of them on . yeah, on specific occasions. yeah, well, no, indeed. well, thank you— well, no, indeed. well, thank you very— well, no, indeed. well, thank you very much— well, no, indeed. well, thank you very much for— 3: well, thank you very much for bringing us rear.— you very much for bringing us rear-rie— you very much for bringing us that.-that.we- you very much for bringing us. that.-that.we-it. that. more on that as we get it. i that. more on that as we get it. i suppose— that. more on that as we get it. i supposeiwonder_ that. more on that as we get it. i supposeiwonder i— that. more on that as we get it. i suppose wonderi mean, i suppose i wonder i mean, riey-ve— i suppose i wonder i mean, riey-ve-e— i suppose i wonder i mean, riey-ve-e i— i suppose i wonder i mean, they've a i would imagine they've got a i would imagine a massive waiting— they've got a i would imagine a massive waiting eton. massive waiting list at eton. i-m — massive waiting list at eton. i-m .riey— massive waiting list at eton. i-m-riey eeri- massive waiting list at eton. i'm they can find room for i'm sure they can find room for prince— i'm sure they can find room for prince george— i'm sure they can find room for prince george .— i'm sure they can find room for prince george . well, cameron, prince george. well, cameron, reari— prince george. well, cameron, rierk yer— prince george. well, cameron, rierk you very— prince george. well, cameron, thank you very much. and thank you very much. come and weir— thank you very much. come and weir rer— thank you very much. come and walk her there. _ thank you very much. come and walk her there. news is royal walk her there. gb news is royal eerreeperrierrr.— walk her there. gb news is royal correspondent. usual correspondent. q the usual

iiyererieei— hysterical type saying he's priyiiegei— hysterical type saying he's priyiiegei ,— hysterical type saying he's privileged , he— hysterical type saying he's privileged , he shouldn't be privileged, he shouldn't be going— privileged, he shouldn't be going re— privileged, he shouldn't be going re iron.— privileged, he shouldn't be going to eton. i— privileged, he shouldn't be going to eton. i mean, i would neiireiy— going to eton. i mean, i would neiireiy-ieen— going to eton. i mean, i would politely-back on- going to eton. i mean, i would politely back on that and politely push back on that and say politely push back on that and nay—ir— politely push back on that and eey—ir enenii- politely push back on that and say—it should bei politely push back on that andi say—it should be a say that at least it should be a reieriveiy— say that at least it should be a relatively—for- relatively safe place for the ire.— relatively safe place for the lad-wouldn't- relatively safe place for the lad. wouldn't want send lad. you wouldn't want to send nin— lad. you wouldn't want to send nin re— lad. you wouldn't want to send him to scumbag— lad. you wouldn't want to send him to scumbag high down the reari— him to scumbag high down the neg—iner- him to scumbag high down the neg—ire in- him to scumbag high down the road,_just in case,| road, would you? just in case, because— road, would you? just in case,i ieeenee—re road, would you? just in case,- ieeenee—re ie because we might need him to be king— because we might need him to be king-in.— because we might need him to be king-ieylrnere- because we might need him to be king-day.-there.are. king one day. but there we are now— king one day. but there we are now,-on matters- king one day. but there we are. now,-on matters very, now, moving to on matters very, very—because- now, moving to on matters very,| very—because rne very serious indeed, because the eeeren— very serious indeed, because the seeen-iive— very serious indeed, because the search-five people- very serious indeed, because the search five people trapped search for five people trapped in-nieeing— search for five people trapped in-missing titan- search for five people trapped in missing titan submersible in the missing titan submersible is in the missing titan submersible ie gerring— in the missing titan submersible ie geiiing mere— in the missing titan submersible is getting more and more ieenerere— is getting more and more desperate now. but the rescue reen— desperate now. but the rescue rein-giving— desperate now. but the rescue rein-giving nn- desperate now. but the rescue team giving up hope. we team is not giving up hope. we nnierereei— team is not giving up hope. we understood that— team is not giving up hope. we understood that the potentially the understood that the potentially rne exygen — understood that the potentially the oxygen supply was due to run out the oxygen supply was due to run our er— the oxygen supply was due to run our er aneur— the oxygen supply was due to run out at about midday , but i had out at about midday, but i had an expen— out at about midday, but i had an exnen en— out at about midday, but i had an expert on earlier who said ire— an expert on earlier who said ire-en— an expert on earlier who said ire-en exeer— an expert on earlier who said it's an exact science. so it's not an exact science. so rnere— it's not an exact science. so rnere in— it's not an exact science. so there is still— it's not an exact science. so there is still hope. patrick cnrierye— there is still hope. patrick enrierye en— there is still hope. patrick christys on gb— there is still hope. patrick christys on gb news, britain's

through until 7:00 this evening. gb news the people's . gb news the people's. channel well, with the country in - well, with the country in a rignr rneee— right mess, wherever you look, a nine— right mess, wherever you look, a rime—i- right mess, wherever you look, a iirrie—i niii- little later this hour, i will be little later this hour, i will ie nnning— little later this hour, i will be asking the— little later this hour, i will be asking the pretty straightforward question are we run straightforward question are we ny— straightforward question are we iy iiieree— straightforward question are we run by idiots? the emails have been— run by idiots? the emails have been iieeiing— run by idiots? the emails have been flooding in— run by idiots? the emails have been flooding in on this and i eieeinreiy— been flooding in on this and i absolutely love— been flooding in on this and i absolutely love to see it. i'll neve— absolutely love to see it. i'll neve e— absolutely love to see it. i'll neve e-gneer— absolutely love to see it. i'll have a-guest and- absolutely love to see it. i'll have a guest and top have a top guest and top commentator— have a top guest and top commentator expose commentator just to expose wherever around wherever you look around the eennrry— wherever you look around the country-moment,- wherever you look around the. country-moment,-not country at the moment, i'm not iner— country at the moment, i'm not just-about— country at the moment, i'm not just about government, just talking about government, by just talking about government, iy—enneeirien by the way. i mean opposition, inr— by the way. i mean opposition, iii—ion- by the way. i mean opposition, iii—ion ir- by the way. i mean opposition, iii—ion irlrel but people whose job it is to derive— but people whose job it is to deliver—and. deliver stuff like hs2 and rninge— deliver stuff like hs2 and ininge ine— deliver stuff like hs2 and things like the education system and things like the education system end-iner— things like the education system and just ministerial level, and not just ministerial level, the and not just ministerial level, rne neenie— and not just ministerial level, the people-them- and not just ministerial level, the people them who and not just ministerial level, the people _them who in the people below them who are in energe— the people below them who are in energe-nenn— the people below them who are in charge bank england is charge. the bank of england is a goon— charge. the bank of england is a goon-re— charge. the bank of england is a geei-re een,— charge. the bank of england is a good-to start, isn't- charge. the bank of england is a good to start, isn't it? good place to start, isn't it? are— good place to start, isn't it? are we— good place to start, isn't it? are we-n ny- good place to start, isn't it? are we run by idiots? but are we being run by idiots? but re— are we being run by idiots? but re rne— are we being run by idiots? but now to the latest— are we being run by idiots? but now to the latest on the search for we — now to the latest on the search for the missing— now to the latest on the search for the missing titanic tourist submersible.— for the missing titanic tourist submersible. an— for the missing titanic tourist submersible. an emergency oxygen ieweie— submersible. an emergency oxygen ieweie en— submersible. an emergency oxygen levels on board— submersible. an emergency oxygen levels on board the— submersible. an emergency oxygen levels on board the deep sea weeeei— levels on board the deep sea weeeei-eeiiy— levels on board the deep sea

vessel sadly expected to vessel were sadly expected to run-inis— vessel were sadly expected to run this lunchtime downing run out this lunchtime downing sneer— run out this lunchtime downing srreer nee— run out this lunchtime downing street has now— run out this lunchtime downing street has now confirmed that a ieeyei— street has now confirmed that a ieeyni wavy— street has now confirmed that a royal navy submariner is helping the royal navy submariner is helping rne eeewe— royal navy submariner is helping the rescue attempt— royal navy submariner is helping the rescue attempt and eneeieiier— the rescue attempt and specialist equipment is also on its specialist equipment is also on in way— specialist equipment is also on in way from — specialist equipment is also on its way from the _ specialist equipment is also on its way from the uk . it has been its way from the uk. it has been confirmed— its way from the uk. it has been confirmed ee— its way from the uk. it has been confirmed as well— its way from the uk. it has been confirmed as well that 19 year old sulaiman_ confirmed as well that 19 year old sulaiman dawood , who is one old sulaiman dawood, who is one of old sulaiman dawood, who is one or rne— old sulaiman dawood, who is one or we iive— old sulaiman dawood, who is one of the five people _ old sulaiman dawood, who is one of the five people missing, is a erwienr— of the five people missing, is a erwienr er— of the five people missing, is a student at strathclyde university. _ student at strathclyde university. i- student at strathclyde university. i am joined on this rer— university. i am joined on this ier rne— university. i am joined on this now for the very— university. i am joined on this now for the very ,— university. i am joined on this now for the very , very latest by now for the very, very latest by gb now for the very, very latest by en new— now for the very, very latest by gb news national— now for the very, very latest by gb news national reporter paul hawkins— gb news national reporter paul newnine .— gb news national reporter paul hawkins . yeah,— gb news national reporter paul hawkins . yeah, paul, as it hawkins. yeah, paul, as it erenie— hawkins. yeah, paul, as it stands then— hawkins. yeah, paul, as it stands then ,— hawkins. yeah, paul, as it stands then , still a search and stands then, still a search and rescue operation,— stands then, still a search and rescue operation, still a search eni— rescue operation, still a search and rescue operation. obviously inni— and rescue operation. obviously that crude deadline for the oxygen running out, that passed a while ago. but as we always stressed, it was an approximate window because we don't know how long they could potentially stretch out that oxygen in the rear . stretch out that oxygen in the rear. admiral stretch out that oxygen in the rear . admiral of the us rear. admiral of the us coastguard john mauger has been speaking to the media this afternoon. a few interesting lines to come out of that on

those noises that we were talking about yesterday . and talking about yesterday. and there was some suggestion that they were sos signals . he said they were sos signals. he said that initial analysis by the us navy suggests that the sounds that were detected were generated by background ocean noise . they're not waiting for noise. they're not waiting for the full report to come from the us navy. they're still carrying on with search and rescue operation. but he's saying that at moment that's what the at the moment that's what the initial reports so initial reports say. so background noise, which doesn't bode well . but there is what he bode well. but there is what he describes as an active search and rescue operation and they still remain hopeful at this point. we should also add that two rovs remotely operated vehicles, they've been deployed to the water. of that to the water. one of them that victor, 60,000 that was dropped off by a french research vessel that has arrived in the area that has arrived in the area thatis that has arrived in the area that is now scouring the bottom, scouring the seabed. it's joined by another rov on the seabed as well. so there are two deep searching vehicles there . the

searching vehicles there. the french one can it does have mechanical arms. so if it were to come across as the titan , it to come across as the titan, it could free it from any wreckage. it couldn't pull it to the surface by itself . if it could, surface by itself. if it could, however, attach a cable, literally hook a cable to it, to then pull it to the surface, which would take a couple of hours and minutes and seconds of precious that's those precious now. so that's those are the latest lines. and in terms of the british help on this, you mentioned that a submariner has been deployed as part of a team. we know that at some cabling has been sent over . there's also the company magellan, i should say , they are magellan, i should say, they are donating the rov juliet, but there were problems. apparently it was ready to go on monday. there were problems with permission from the american authorities. morning they authorities. this morning they said were going deploy said they were going to deploy it. they've had problems literally on literally getting it on the plane. plane is not big plane. the plane is not big enough get it on. this is the enough to get it on. this is the one to get one they're having to get another out and then for another plane out and then for that to arrive. and this another plane out and then for th the to arrive. and this another plane out and then for ththe one to arrive. and this another plane out and then for ththe one thatrrive. and this another plane out and then for th the one that wee. and this another plane out and then for th the one that we were d this another plane out and then for th the one that we were saying is the one that we were saying nee—rne- is the one that we were sayingi has _the tarmac has been sitting on the tarmac for

has been sitting on the tarmac fer-reng. — has been sitting on the tarmac fer-reng. wny- has been sitting on the tarmac for long. why aren't for however long. why aren't we gerring— for however long. why aren't we gerringlewr— for however long. why aren't we gerringlewr-wny- for however long. why aren't we getting out why can't getting it out there? why can't we-rneree- getting it out there? why can't we-rneree re- getting it out there? why can't we-there? is it- getting it out there? why can't we there? is it being we get it out there? is it being iieeneie— we get it out there? is it being blocked? this— we get it out there? is it being blocked? this is— we get it out there? is it being blocked? this is potentially a bit blocked? this is potentially a wile— blocked? this is potentially a bit-a disgrace.— blocked? this is potentially a bit a disgrace. they have now bit of a disgrace. they have now rriei— bit of a disgrace. they have now new re— bit of a disgrace. they have now new re ger— bit of a disgrace. they have now new re ger ir— bit of a disgrace. they have now tried to get it on— bit of a disgrace. they have now tried to get it on plane and tried to get it on a plane and it tried to get it on a plane and ir-iir— tried to get it on a plane and ir-iir — tried to get it on a plane and it-fit now. u- tried to get it on a plane and it-fit now. it won't. tried to get it on a plane and it fit now. c w:i:i" c �*" c it won't fit now. it won't fit. so now they're having send so now they're having to send another and obviously, another plane and obviously, i mean, would thought mean, one would have thought it's arrive it's not going to arrive in time, never know time, but still, you never know how things are going to how these things are going to pan out. worth deploying pan out. still worth deploying our it's still our guests, but it's still a huge a operation, huge a huge operation, international operation in taking . and taking place at the moment. and the hopeful. yeah, the remaining hopeful. yeah, indeed. and as i " g yeah, indeed. and as i understand it, rewi— indeed. and as i understand it, egg, rnere— indeed. and as i understand it, egg, rnere in— indeed. and as i understand it, paul, there is a— indeed. and as i understand it, paul, there is a little clip as weir— paul, there is a little clip as weii ei— paul, there is a little clip as weii or e— paul, there is a little clip as well of a friend— paul, there is a little clip as well of a friend of one of the individuals— well of a friend of one of the individuals on— well of a friend of one of the individuals on board and yeah, ingre— individuals on board and yeah, rner-e ee— individuals on board and yeah, that's so hamish— individuals on board and yeah, that's so hamish harding. his inniiy— that's so hamish harding. his inniiy newe— that's so hamish harding. his family have today— that's so hamish harding. his family have today said- that's so hamish harding. his family have today said that there needs to be questions asked of oceangate about why they eight hours to raise they took eight hours to raise they took eight hours to raise the alarm when it came to alerting the authorities about titan going missing in the first place. his friend chris brown has also been been speaking about the technical aspects, the technical questions he has and his experience of the of the vessel itself. here's what he's had to say. i wasn't happy with

some of the design like the thrusters on the outside with the cables there. i thought that was the cables there. i thought that n snagging— the cables there. i thought that was a snagging hazard.- f sifli i thought that was a snagging hazard. but f s:;”i:; i thought that was a snagging hazard. but what reeiiy— was a snagging hazard. but what reeiiy iii— was a snagging hazard. but what reeiiy iii ir— was a snagging hazard. but what really did it for— was a snagging hazard. but what really did it for me— was a snagging hazard. but what really did it for me was they iieriy— really did it for me was they flatly refused _ really did it for me was they flatly refused to _ really did it for me was they flatly refused to get any form of certification _ flatly refused to get any form of certification ,— flatly refused to get any form of certification , and it seemed of certification, and it seemed iner— of certification, and it seemed rner rney— of certification, and it seemed innr iney nei— of certification, and it seemed that they had no— of certification, and it seemed that they had no intention of gerring— that they had no intention of geiiing any— that they had no intention of getting any certification for going— getting any certification for going down — getting any certification for going down re— getting any certification for going down to those depths. once let going down to those depths. once ier nigne— going down to those depths. once let alone several— going down to those depths. once let alone several times. whereas the redundancy,— let alone several times. whereas the redundancy, because it's nerrnei— the redundancy, because it's nerrnei in— the redundancy, because it's nerrnei in e— the redundancy, because it's normal in a vessel of any form iner— normal in a vessel of any form rner nee— normal in a vessel of any form that has human— normal in a vessel of any form that has human life, you've got reiwnieney— that has human life, you've got reiwnieney ei— that has human life, you've got redundancy of things . you redundancy of things. you neweiiy— redundancy of things. you usually have— redundancy of things. you usually have two of two. so yew-i— usually have two of two. so yew-i newe— usually have two of two. so yew-i newe e— usually have two of two. so you'd have a redundant separate eyeren— you'd have a redundant separate eyeren eni— you'd have a redundant separate system and then— you'd have a redundant separate system and then you'd have two of system and then you'd have two or none— system and then you'd have two or rneee . — system and then you'd have two of those . okay,— system and then you'd have two of those . okay, so— system and then you'd have two of those . age/m: of those. okay, so thank you very much for that, by the way, paul very much for that, by the way, paul. paul hawkins, our national reporter. any updates? paul will bnng reporter. any updates? paul will bring on this bring them to us live on this show. i'm joined now by my show. but i'm joined now by my doctor, pringle, who is a doctor, jamie pringle, who is a reader forensic geoscience at reader in forensic geoscience at keele university. great to have you on the show. thank you very much. is there any hope? i mean, there's always hope. _

much. is there any hope? i mean, there's always hope. you know, statistically , the longer the statistically, the longer the time goes on, the less chances there are to find someone alive . but there have been cases refere— . but there have been cases before ei— but there have been cases before of fishermen found in weeeeei— before of fishermen found in vessels that— before of fishermen found in vessels that have sank for seven— vessels that have sank for several days— vessels that have sank for several days .— vessels that have sank for several days . and it's surviving several days. and it's surviving an air— several days. and it's surviving an air powere— several days. and it's surviving an air pockets. but those ones newe— an air pockets. but those ones newe ieen— an air pockets. but those ones newe been in— an air pockets. but those ones have been in a— an air pockets. but those ones have been in a lot— an air pockets. but those ones have been in a lot shallower wre — have been in a lot shallower weerr ani— have been in a lot shallower water. and as— have been in a lot shallower water. and as paul was mentioning,— water. and as paul was mentioning, the difficulties in ieeering— mentioning, the difficulties in ieeering-ie— mentioning, the difficulties in locating-is still- mentioning, the difficulties in locating is still at locating the sub is still at iner— locating the sub is still at we fini— locating the sub is still at that first initial point before the that first initial point before we eeeeni— that first initial point before the second one— that first initial point before the second one of trying to ir— the second one of trying to rescue it back— the second one of trying to rescue it back to- the second one of trying to rescue it back to the surface enewgn— rescue it back to the surface was enough done— rescue it back to the surface was enough done quickly enough in yew— was enough done quickly enough in your view— was enough done quickly enough in yewrwiewe — was enough done quickly enough in your view? we— was enough done quickly enough in your view? �*vw�*i: i: was enough done quickly enough in your view? �*vw�*i: ei: was enough done quickly enough in your view? �*fii�*i: pi: g in your view? we are now talking about people trying to fly over about people trying to fly over a or a vessel from jersey a craft or a vessel from jersey in the channel islands. apparently that won't even fit on the plane, is rather on the plane, which is rather annoying, has been annoying, but that has been ready waiting go, ready and waiting to go, supposedly . you supposedly since monday. you know, it's now thursday . has know, it's now thursday. has enough been done ? i guess? well, enough been done? i guess? well, it's enough been done? i guess? well, we nerd— enough been done? i guess? well, in new re— enough been done? i guess? well, it's hard to speculate— enough been done? i guess? well, it's hard to speculate ,— pg " 3“ i guess? well, it's hard to speculate , isn't it's hard to speculate, isn't ire— it's hard to speculate, isn't ire ani— it's hard to speculate, isn't ire ani wny— it's hard to speculate, isn't it? and why certain ones have been— it? and why certain ones have been ennrewei— it? and why certain ones have been approved and have sent and owe— been approved and have sent and one enee— been approved and have sent and other ones aren't. _ been approved and have sent and other ones aren't. i'm not sure. ani— other ones aren't. i'm not sure. and i— other ones aren't. i'm not sure. and i geese— other ones aren't. i'm not sure. and i guess there'll be eiwieweiy— and i guess there'll be obviously investigation at obviously an investigation at the obviously an investigation at rne-ieeiie— obviously an investigation at the decide exactly what the end to decide exactly what wenr— the end to decide exactly what wenr-eni— the end to decide exactly what went-and-could- went well and what could be improved— improved for subsequent surveys. and improved for subsequent surveys. ann-unwewei—

improved for subsequent surveys. and-unusual if- improved for subsequent surveys. and-unusual if you- improved for subsequent surveys. and unusual if you have and it's not unusual if you have eenngwenee— and it's not unusual if you have earthquakes and— and it's not unusual if you have earthquakes and then you have rescue-orien— earthquakes and then you have rescue often there. they rescue dogs often there. they rene— rescue dogs often there. they take several— rescue dogs often there. they take several days— rescue dogs often there. they take several days to get eeniiiei— take several days to get certified to _ take several days to get certified to approve, to go and go certified to approve, to go and ge eni— certified to approve, to go and ge eni weir.— certified to approve, to go and go and visit. and— certified to approve, to go and go and visit. and obviously, y-e— go and visit. and obviously, yew-we-ei— go and visit. and obviously, you've _of the - go and visit. and obviously, you've of the golden you've heard of the golden newre — you've heard of the golden hours. .first _ you've heard of the golden hours. .first 24- you've heard of the golden hours. first 24 hours are hours. the first 24 hours are key— hours. the first 24 hours are keylanv_ hours. the first 24 hours are key-any search- hours. the first 24 hours are key any search for any key in any search for any nieeing— key in any search for any missing people. so that's eiwieweiy— missing people. so that's obviously problematic. obviously that is problematic. ner— obviously that is problematic. eer-i— obviously that is problematic. eer-i gweee— obviously that is problematic. but-i guess-the- but they'll i guess in the iwiineee— but they'll i guess in the fullness of _ but they'll i guess in the fullness of time, they'll look at- _ fullness of time, they'll look er- wnen — fullness of time, they'll look at- when . look . fullness of time, they'll look. at- when . look .the at those. when we look at the kind environment this kind of environment that this submersible be submersible is believed to be in, presumably in, which is presumably somewhere the titanic, somewhere near the titanic, obviously something has gone catastrophically wrong . and catastrophically wrong. and whether or not those people in there can make do for any longer without out an ongoing supply of oxygen, which sadly was expected to have run out about four hours ago. what do you think ? yeah, ago. what do you think? yeah, it's hard to tell, isn't- ago. what do you think? yeah, it's hard to tell, isn't it- ago. what do you think? yeah, it's hard to tell, isn't it ,- it's hard to tell, isn't it, physiologically, they they've got physiologically, they they've gei rerirei— physiologically, they they've got retired french diver on weeni— got retired french diver on gogg, ee— got retired french diver on board, as i'm— got retired french diver on board, as i'm sure paul has nenrienei— board, as i'm sure paul has mentioned before, who will know all mentioned before, who will know eii eir— mentioned before, who will know eii eii rne— mentioned before, who will know all all the details— mentioned before, who will know all all the details and ramifications of declining oxygen— ramifications of declining oxygen levels— ramifications of declining oxygen levels and what to do in eenein— oxygen levels and what to do in certain situations— oxygen levels and what to do in certain situations .— oxygen levels and what to do in certain situations . so whilst

certain situations. so whilst rne— certain situations. so whilst the estimates— certain situations. so whilst the estimates are that i think iney-re— the estimates are that i think iney-re eriii— the estimates are that i think they're still hoping that it eewnei— they're still hoping that it sounds like— they're still hoping that it sounds like the at least from rne— sounds like the at least from we us— sounds like the at least from the us coastguard, they're still rreering— the us coastguard, they're still rreering ir— the us coastguard, they're still rreering ir ee— the us coastguard, they're still treating it as a— the us coastguard, they're still treating it as a search and| rescue—than rescue mission rather than a recovery _ieen- rescue mission rather than a recovery _ieen ,- rescue mission rather than a recovery. look , look, recovery. okay, look, look, rnenn— recovery. okay, look, look, nenw-very,— recovery. okay, look, look, thank-very, very- recovery. okay, look, look, thank very, very much, thank you very, very much, ienie. — thank you very, very much, ienie. inn— thank you very, very much, jamie. i'm sorry,- thank you very, very much, jamie. c c jamie. i'm sorry, it's a bit short and sweet. we've had a lot to but got no to cram in, but i've got no doubt i'll be talking to you again. this very again. quite soon on this very topic. some kind topic. hopefully with some kind of we'll have to of happy ending. we'll have to wait and see. doctor jamie wait and see. is doctorjamie pringle, reader in pringle, though, is a reader in forensic geosciences keele forensic geosciences at keele university. more to university. now loads more to cram between and cram in as well between now and 5:00 count the cost 5:00 as millions count the cost of of england's big of the bank of england's big rate rise. i will ask, are we being run by idiots ? and find being run by idiots? and find out why staff from the controversial gender identity clinic are still offering treatment to vulnerable kids. i tell you what, it's a complete shock of this story. oh and later on as well, i have got this former scottish school pupil who was booted out of school for saying there were only two genders. i mean, good grief. but now, as your headunes grief. but now, as your headlines with polly . patrick,

headlines with polly. patrick, thanks very much indeed. will the top story this hour- ”si.“ 3: will the top story this hour let's get— the top story this hour let's ger en— the top story this hour let's gei en wiri— the top story this hour let's get on with turning our attentions— get on with turning our attentions to- get on with turning our attentions to the north atlantic rnen— attentions to the north atlantic rnen eni— attentions to the north atlantic rnen end we— attentions to the north atlantic then and two remotely operated venieiee— then and two remotely operated vehicles have— then and two remotely operated vehicles have joined the search for rne— vehicles have joined the search for the missing— vehicles have joined the search for the missing tourist submersible- for the missing tourist submersible . they're the victor, submersible. they're the victor, eooo— submersible. they're the victor, eooo nee— submersible. they're the victor, eooo nee rwe — submersible. they're the victor, 6000 has two mechanical arms wnien— 6000 has two mechanical arms wnien en— 6000 has two mechanical arms wnien eerry— 6000 has two mechanical arms which can carry out— 6000 has two mechanical arms which can carry out manoeuvres iive— which can carry out manoeuvres iiie curring— which can carry out manoeuvres iiie ewrring er— which can carry out manoeuvres like cutting or removing debris. ani— like cutting or removing debris. ani e— like cutting or removing debris. ani e eeeeni— like cutting or removing debris. and a second powerful rescue veeeei— and a second powerful rescue veeeei eiee— and a second powerful rescue vessel also being— and a second powerful rescue vessel also being flown in from iereey— vessel also being flown in from iereey. nern— vessel also being flown in from iereey. nern ei— vessel also being flown in from jersey. both of those rescue veeeeie— jersey. both of those rescue vessels can reach the seabed and rrenenir— vessels can reach the seabed and transmit images— vessels can reach the seabed and transmit images back to the eweeie— transmit images back to the eweiee . we— transmit images back to the surface . we know five people are surface. we know five people are eriii— surface. we know five people are eriii ineiie— surface. we know five people are still inside that— surface. we know five people are still inside that missing submersible.- still inside that missing submersible. it lost contact wirn— submersible. it lost contact wirn rne— submersible. it lost contact with the surface— submersible. it lost contact with the surface on sunday morning— with the surface on sunday morning .— with the surface on sunday morning . ine— with the surface on sunday morning . the us coastguard says morning. the us coastguard says this morning. the us coastguard says rnie ein— morning. the us coastguard says rnie ,— morning. the us coastguard says this remains , though, an active this remains, though, an active een— this remains, though, an active een eni— this remains, though, an active search and rescue— this remains, though, an active search and rescue operation . an search and rescue operation. an as search and rescue operation. an ee e ireeking— search and rescue operation. an as a breaking news coming to us in rne— as a breaking news coming to us in we ieer— as a breaking news coming to us in the last half— as a breaking news coming to us in the last half hour. 20,000 reiiwey— in the last half hour. 20,000 railway workers _ in the last half hour. 20,000 railway workers are due to go on for wine— railway workers are due to go on for strike three— railway workers are due to go on for strike three days in july . for strike three days in july. ine— for strike three days in july. ine rewi— for strike three days in july. the rmt union— for strike three days in july. the rmt union saying the iniwerriei— the rmt union saying the industrial action will take piece—

industrial action will take pieee en— industrial action will take place on the— industrial action will take place on the 20th, 22nd and 29th of place on the 20th, 22nd and 29th er iwiy. — place on the 20th, 22nd and 29th eriwy. ire— place on the 20th, 22nd and 29th er iwy. ir-e eii— place on the 20th, 22nd and 29th of july. it's all part— place on the 20th, 22nd and 29th of july. it's all part of an ongoing— of july. it's all part of an ongoing national dispute over pay -_ ongoing national dispute over gey . were— ongoing national dispute over gey . were en— ongoing national dispute over pay. more on that as it comes to us. pay. more on that as it comes to ew— pay. more on that as it comes to nw rne— pay. more on that as it comes to us. but the main— pay. more on that as it comes to us. but the main news today, wen— us. but the main news today, epen fren— us. but the main news today, apart from that,— us. but the main news today, apart from that, is that the nenw— apart from that, is that the nenw ei— apart from that, is that the bank of england has raised the bee— bank of england has raised the ieee rere— bank of england has raised the ieee rere ei— bank of england has raised the base rate of interest by half a pereenrege— base rate of interest by half a percentage point— base rate of interest by half a percentage point to 5. that's rne— percentage point to 5. that's rne nigneer— percentage point to 5. that's the highest rate— percentage point to 5. that's the highest rate in 15 years. ine— the highest rate in 15 years. ine nenw— the highest rate in 15 years. the bank says— the highest rate in 15 years. the bank says it's trying to reenie— the bank says it's trying to tackle ongoing— the bank says it's trying to tackle ongoing price rises. the nenw-e— tackle ongoing price rises. the bank's governor,— tackle ongoing price rises. the bank's governor, andrew bailey, eeii— bank's governor, andrew bailey, said inflation— bank's governor, andrew bailey, said inflation is— bank's governor, andrew bailey, said inflation is still too high eni— said inflation is still too high end nwer— said inflation is still too high end rnwer ne— said inflation is still too high and must be dealt with. but he ended— and must be dealt with. but he eiiei ii— and must be dealt with. but he eiiei if we— and must be dealt with. but he added if we don't— and must be dealt with. but he added if we don't raise interest reree— added if we don't raise interest reree ir— added if we don't raise interest rates now, it could— added if we don't raise interest rates now, it could be worse ierer— rates now, it could be worse ierer .— rates now, it could be worse ierer . ine— rates now, it could be worse later . the prime— rates now, it could be worse later . the prime minister says later. the prime minister says ne-e— later. the prime minister says we en— later. the prime minister says we on ir— later. the prime minister says ne-e on i eni— later. the prime minister says he's on it and it— later. the prime minister says he's on it and it is— later. the prime minister says he's on it and it is going to be oney. — he's on it and it is going to be oney. inie— he's on it and it is going to be oney. inie ie— he's on it and it is going to be okay. this is the— he's on it and it is going to be okay. this is the 13th time in a rne— okay. this is the 13th time in a rne nenw— okay. this is the 13th time in a row the bank has— okay. this is the 13th time in a row the bank has increased inrereer— row the bank has increased interest rates— row the bank has increased interest rates .— row the bank has increased interest rates . a man who interest rates. a man who eiiegeiiy— interest rates. a man who allegedly smuggled thousands of people— allegedly smuggled thousands of ww“! iron — allegedly smuggled thousands of people from africa into italy nee— people from africa into italy nee ieen— people from africa into italy has been arrested in the uk . the has been arrested in the uk. the 40 has been arrested in the uk. the eo yeer— has been arrested in the uk. the eo yeer ori— has been arrested in the uk. the 40 year old egyptian national was detained— 40 year old egyptian national was detained in— 40 year old egyptian national was detained in london by the werionei— was detained in london by the national crime— was detained in london by the national crime agency. he's now being— national crime agency. he's now being questioned— national crime agency. he's now being questioned on suspicion of ieeiiirering— being questioned on suspicion of facilitating illegal— being questioned on suspicion of facilitating illegal immigration . ani— facilitating illegal immigration . and none— facilitating illegal immigration . and more on— facilitating illegal immigration . and more on all those stories need— . and more on all those stories neei ro— . and more on all those stories neei ro ow— . and more on all those stories head to our website gbnews.com .

head to our website gbnews.com. weir.— head to our website gbnews.com. wen i— head to our website gbnews.com. wen i rented— head to our website gbnews.com. well, i ranted about— head to our website gbnews.com. well, i ranted about this- well, i ranted about this a little bit earlier on, but i'm returning to it now. it's a pretty simple question . in light pretty simple question. in light of all of the economic and political news and everything that we talk about here, are we being run by idiots ? the bank of being run by idiots? the bank of england governor andrew bailey is rightly copping it today after the interest rate was increased to 5. but he's not the only offender, is he? so the government does lurch from crisis crisis. the opposition crisis to crisis. the opposition doesn't offer a proper alternative bodies you alternative and even bodies you should be able to rely like should be able to rely on like the this seems to be the police. this seems to be more in diverse motty more interested in diverse motty than us every single than protecting us every single place that we look in society. right now, as far as i can tell, the cream has not risen to the top. i'm joined now by a man who's great at putting the world to rights. and it's the journalist broadcaster in my journalist and broadcaster in my view, should be sir mike parry .

view, should be sir mike parry. mike, thank very much. are mike, thank you very much. are we being run by dribbling idiots ? well, it's a very good gweerion— 7’ well, it's a very good question, patrick. ' i: 7’ well, it's a very good question, patrick. i: question, patrick. and let me put— question, patrick. and let me put things into perspective at the moment. the crisis in this country financially is because of andrew bailey and andrew bailey is the governor of the bank of england. right. so all the politicians walk away from it and say, well , you know, the it and say, well, you know, the bank of england's independent, but the governor of the bank of england can only be appointed on the recommendation of the chancellor of the exchequer . chancellor of the exchequer. guess who was chancellor of the exchequer when andrew bailey was appointed? yes sajid javid okay. a senior tory politician. so when you say the bank are independent, they're not the governing. you know, the people who are running the government put the bank of england governor into power. he's been an absolute disaster. um carney, who was the previous governor of the bank of england, he put so

much money into the economy when interest rates were down at sort of below 1. he just kept quantitative easing. he kept pumping money in the economy when he should have been taking it out. so when andrew bailey was appointed as mr carney successor, he should have realised you've got to put the lid on this expansion of money in the economy because expansion of money leads leads to inflation. what did mr bailey do? he did nothing . and in fact, do? he did nothing. and in fact, when inflation got up to just three and a half, 4, he said, don't worry , it's transitionary. don't worry, it's transitionary. you know, it's nothing to worry about. you know, it's nothing to worry about . a bit of inflation now, about. a bit of inflation now, it'll go soon. now we're in the nightmare of people being trapped with massive mortgages they can't afford. when you when you've got interest at 1. patrick and you borrow 95% of the cost of your £500,000 house, you are in clover. but when somebody says that goes up to 6% andifs

somebody says that goes up to 6% and it's trebled the payments, you are in desperate, desperate trouble and the only job that the governor of the bank of england has got, the governor who's appointed by the chancellor of the exchequer, is to keep inflation down. you've asked the question, are they idiot? yes, they are idiots. right. well, good stuff , mike. right. well, good stuff, mike. we're off to a flyer here. let's rwn— we're off to a flyer here. let's rwn ow— we're off to a flyer here. let's turn our attention— we're off to a flyer here. let's turn our attention now to our noiirieei— turn our attention now to our political class,— turn our attention now to our political class, zahawi rishi swer— political class, zahawi rishi swnen oiene— political class, zahawi rishi sunak plans to— political class, zahawi rishi sunak plans to cut the asylum eeeen— sunak plans to cut the asylum| eeeker—rninge seeker backlog of made things woree-gor— seeker backlog of made things worse.-gotlleader- seeker backlog of made things worse. got leader of the worse. we've got a leader of the onnoeirion— worse. we've got a leader of the oppoeirion wno— worse. we've got a leader of the opposition who takes the knee. we-ve— opposition who takes the knee. we-ve-ieeier- opposition who takes the knee. we've-leaderlthe . opposition who takes the knee. we've leader the lib we've got the leader of the lib dene— we've got the leader of the lib dene-goee— we've got the leader of the lib dems goes missing more dems who just goes missing more rinee—eni— dems who just goes missing more times—and seek- times than the hide and seek worri— times than the hide and seek world champion.— times than the hide and seek world champion. former world champion. the former ieeier— world champion. the former. leader—embroiled leader of the snp is embroiled inleeeniei— leader of the snp is embroiled inlscandal which— leader of the snp is embroiled in scandal which course in a scandal which of course she ieniee— in a scandal which of course she ienieeeo-ne- in a scandal which of course she. ienieeeo-neen-i denies, involving some money and ooeeiiiy— denies, involving some money and ooeeiiiyleennerven— denies, involving some money and possibly campervan. the possibly a campervan. and the wrenr— possibly a campervan. and the ewew-rne— possibly a campervan. and the current-the snp- current leader of the snp can't nie— current leader of the snp can't riie e— current leader of the snp can't ride a scooter— current leader of the snp can't ride a scooter falling ride a scooter without falling off ride a scooter without fallingj off—politicians off it. i mean, our politicians eenr— off it. i mean, our politicians eren-r—rneyl off it. i mean, our politiciansi eren-r—rney e aren't any better, are they? weren— aren't any better, are they? iieren. rer— aren't any better, are they? listen, let me— aren't any better, are they? listen, let me just- aren't any better, are they? listen, let me just return to the question are the idiots , for the question are the idiots, for instance, mr bailey has got less qualification . owens in qualification. owens in economics than i have. i got a grade d a—level pass in economics, right? mr bailey

spent most of his time at the universities of warwick and cambridge , i think, studying cambridge, i think, studying history and art. so the point i'm trying to make is i believe the common sense of individuals like me and like you , or unlike like me and like you, or unlike the normal person who drives a white van and the taxi driver and the people who work on market stalls have more common sense about the way the economy works than any politician who waves away the threat of inflation. because they're earning £650,000 a year and have no realistic grip on the life of the common man or woman in this country . that doesn't just mean country. that doesn't just mean the government. i mean , i know the government. i mean, i know people are going to find this strange. we're in a terrible, terrible position at the moment. but i believe if we change governments and keir starmer get in. starmer , the man in. sir keir starmer, the man who's going to flood the lords with a of new barons. okay with a load of new barons. okay i believe it'll be even worse

when he gets in. and as for the situation in scotland, well, it's like , you know, it's like it's like, you know, it's like the keystone cops, isn't it? the whole of the political structure within the united kingdom is broken. i would say almost corrupt and certainly not fit for purpose. it's difficult, ien-r— for purpose. it's difficult, we re,— for purpose. it's difficult, we re, ro— for purpose. it's difficult, isn't it, to confirm - it's difficult, isn't it, to confirm how much andrew— isn't it, to confirm how much andrew bailey— isn't it, to confirm how much andrew bailey actually earns a yeer— andrew bailey actually earns a yeer ieeewee— andrew bailey actually earns a year because he— andrew bailey actually earns a year because he won't tell you ieeewee— year because he won't tell you ieeewee ne— year because he won't tell you because he says— year because he won't tell you because he says he doesn't carry iner— because he says he doesn't carry rner iigwe— because he says he doesn't carry that figure around— because he says he doesn't carry that figure around in his head because he says he doesn't carry thel figure around in his head because he says he doesn't carry thel made around in his head because he says he doesn't carry thel made the und in his head because he says he doesn't carry thel made the pointi his head because he says he doesn't carry thel made the point earlier,id because he says he doesn't carry thel made the point earlier, he as i made the point earlier, he ioeen-r— as i made the point earlier, he ioeen-r eerry— as i made the point earlier, he doesn't carry it— as i made the point earlier, he doesn't carry it around in his need. — doesn't carry it around in his need. we— doesn't carry it around in his head. he takes— doesn't carry it around in his head. he takes it— doesn't carry it around in his head. he takes it home, flipping wheelbarrows— wheelbarrows instead. but if you neve— wheelbarrows instead. but if you neve-nere— wheelbarrows instead. but if you have-here now- wheelbarrows instead. but if you have here now andrew have a look here now at andrew neiiey-e— bailey's dissertation topic, igne—iel right, his dissertation is eneee— right, his dissertation is thesis-sorry. right, his dissertation is thesis-sorry ,i right, his dissertation isi thesis-sorry , i thesis. so thesis sorry, i eiweye— thesis. so thesis sorry, i eiweye ger— thesis. so thesis sorry, i always get those two mixed up. it's always get those two mixed up. we rneeie— always get those two mixed up. it's thesis the— always get those two mixed up. it's thesis the impact of the wepoieonie— it's thesis the impact of the napoleonic wars— it's thesis the impact of the napoleonic wars on the development- development of the cotton iniwerry— development of the cotton industry lancashire. a study industry in lancashire. a study of rne— industry in lancashire. a study of the structure— industry in lancashire. a study of the structure behaviour of of the structure of behaviour of fine— of the structure of behaviour of fine-rne— of the structure of behaviour of firms the industrial firms during the industrial ieevoiwion— firms during the industrial revolution .— firms during the industrial revolution . yeah. put that man revolution. yeah. put that man in energe— revolution. yeah. put that man in energe oi— revolution. yeah. put that man in charge of the— revolution. yeah. put that man in charge of the economy ripping— in charge of the economy flipping-but- in charge of the economy flipping but then in charge of the economy- flipping-but then also flipping out my. but then also we-ioon— flipping out my. but then also we-ioon-er- flipping out my. but then alsoi we-look-at some we have a look around at some people— we have a look around at some neonie-ier-e- we have a look around at some people-let's move- we have a look around at some people let's move it on people as well. let's move it on iron— people as well. let's move it on iron-none— people as well. let's move it on from done politicians, from we've done the politicians,| we-ve—ingieni. we've done the bank of england. we we've done the bank of england. we-rnie— we've done the bank of england. we-rnie eii— we've done the bank of england. we this all together we can tie this all together rnowgn.— we can tie this all together inowgn. wow— we can tie this all together though. now let's have look at

though. now let's have a look at rninge— though. now let's have a look at rninge-ir-e— though. now let's have a look at things it's supposed things like hs2. it's supposed to things like hs2. it's supposed roleoning— things like hs2. it's supposed roleoning in— things like hs2. it's supposed to coming in region to be coming in the region of £100— to be coming in the region of £100 billion,— to be coming in the region of £100 billion, hs2_ to be coming in the region of £100 billion, hs2 a train £100 billion, hs2 for a train rner-e— £100 billion, hs2 for a train were-ger- £100 billion, hs2 for a train rner-e-ger rne- £100 billion, hs2 for a train that's-get me to. that's going to get me to nirningnen— that's going to get me to- birmingham—quicker. birmingham 20 minutes quicker. wnoever-e— birmingham 20 minutes quicker. whoever's actually whoever's in charge of actually running— whoever's in charge of actually running absolutely who running this is absolutely who neve—oi- running this is absolutely who| have _of this? have we put in charge of this? now— have we put in charge of this? wow-iner— have we put in charge of this? how-that going?— have we put in charge of this? how that going? not how is that going? that's not were— how is that going? that's not were nor— how is that going? that's not that's not running well, is it? ie— that's not running well, is it? ire-ire— that's not running well, is it? it's-it's running- that's not running well, is it? it's it's running through it's like it's running through rreeeie. — it's like it's running throughi treacle. _their treacle. nobody holds their hands in charge hands up and says, i'm in charge of project of this project when the project goes okay the person goes wrong. okay the person you've got to blame for that is david without a shadow david cameron. without a shadow of plans were of a doubt, the plans were already in place david already in place when david cameron came to power in 2010. as the leader of the lib dem sorry, the conservative and lib dem pact. okay. and he had the opportunity to pull it. then he was told in those days it was 65 billion. it's now up to 120. but i'm talking to people and reading that another £70 billion might be need covid to finish this project . and those trains, this project. and those trains, by the way, that you're talking about, the 14 15 by the way, that you're talking about, the 1415 minutes quicker about, the 14 15 minutes quicker won't run till 2040, at which point they'll be out of date. elephant biggest white elephant

, by which point they'll be out of date . i mean, you just go of date. i mean, you just go erowni— of date. i mean, you just go erowni rne— of date. i mean, you just go around the world,- : i mean, you just go around the world, don't you see it? around the world, don't you see ire vow— around the world, don't you see it? you cannot— around the world, don't you see it? you cannot possibly tell me iner— it? you cannot possibly tell me rner ir— it? you cannot possibly tell me int i eoere— it? you cannot possibly tell me that it costs-much- it? you cannot possibly tell me that it costs much and that it costs that much and renee— that it costs that much and renee-iong— that it costs that much and takes-long to- that it costs that much and takes long to basically takes that long to basically iwiii— takes that long to basically iwiii e— takes that long to basically build a train— takes that long to basically build a train track. it takes that long to basically build a train track . it cannot build a train track. it cannot it build a train track. it cannot ir ennor— build a train track. it cannot ir ennor .— build a train track. it cannot it cannot . and— build a train track. it cannot it cannot . and then i have a it cannot. and then i have a rook— it cannot. and then i have a ioon erowni— it cannot. and then i have a look around as— it cannot. and then i have a look around as well. people ier-e— look around as well. people ier-e iner— look around as well. people let's just talk— look around as well. people let's just talk a— look around as well. people let's just talk a bit about the niiiiery—e- let's just talk a bit about the niiiiery—e ior| let's just talk a bit about the. military._a lot of military. now. i've got a lot of rime— military. now. i've got a lot of rime-niiirery— military. now. i've got a lot of time military heroes. time for our military heroes. eon-r— time for our military heroes. wont—ew- don't get me wrong. but there are don't get me wrong. but there ere—reeiiy- don't get me wrong. but there are—really wind- don't get me wrong. but there are really wind me are things that really wind me up. are things that really wind me we. .iwir— are things that really wind me up. .raf blocked- are things that really wind me up. raf blocked some up. the raf blocked some recruitment— up. the raf blocked some recruitment from people because eeeenrieiiy— recruitment from people because essentially _white - recruitment from people because essentially white and essentially they were white and rney— essentially they were white and iney-neve— essentially they were white and they-have enough- they didn't have enough iivereiry— they didn't have enough diversity - i - they didn't have enough- diversity - i - idiots, diversity. and i think idiots, iiiore— diversity. and i think idiots, iiiore for— diversity. and i think idiots, idiots for doing— diversity. and i think idiots, idiots for doing this. this is rne— idiots for doing this. this is we eeiery— idiots for doing this. this is the safety of— idiots for doing this. this is the safety of nation. again, the safety of the nation. again, we-re—iiiore- the safety of the nation. again, we-re—iiiore. i we're being run by idiots. veer.— we're being run by idiots. yeah. listen,— we're being run by idiots. yeah. listen, another- we're being run by idiots. yeah. listen, another idiotic decision is about to take place, right? ben wallace, who i think was the man, really , really was the man, really, really qualified to lead nato , so qualified to lead nato, so probably won't get it now because sleepy joe biden doesn't want him to do it because sleepy joe biden is very anti british, which he seems to tarnish his irish credentials. why? i have no idea. but it looks like ben wallace isn't going to get it. the military in this country is

in a terrible state. let me tell you this, patrick, right? i live down on the south coast and occasionally a us aircraft carrier pulls into the solent and parks there for a couple of days because there the ships are too big to go into portsmouth harbour. okay. when you go and look at them as people do, there are 90 fighter aircraft left parked on the deck of the uss theodore roosevelt , 90. they've theodore roosevelt, 90. they've got 30 aircraft carriers . do you got 30 aircraft carriers. do you know how many fighter aircraft the raaf have got? 180. so we got just twice the number of aircraft that one us aircraft carrier parks in our solent. that's how badly organised this country is. now yeah. and let's have a look, shall— country is. now yeah. and let's have a look, shall we?- country is. now yeah. and let's have a look, shall we? i- rt.ii:r. \rr:ir.i i/r:rp: and let's have a look, shall we? i think iner— have a look, shall we? i think we've just about— have a look, shall we? i think we've just about got time for oi— we've just about got time for of e— we've just about got time for of e key— we've just about got time for one of a key topic of yours. ire— one of a key topic of yours. ir-e rne— one of a key topic of yours. we we oii. — one of a key topic of yours. it's the old. it's— one of a key topic of yours. it's the old. it's the net it's the old. it's the old net egenie— it's the old. it's the old net zero agenda, isn't it? we've got neopre— zero agenda, isn't it? we've got neooie giving— zero agenda, isn't it? we've got people giving advice to the government— people giving advice to the government and giving advice to the british public. they want to ooer—eiong- the british public. they want to cost—along the. cost us something along the wee— cost us something along the iinee oi— cost us something along the lines of £350— cost us something along the lines of £350 billion to hit

enie— lines of £350 billion to hit rnie nig— lines of £350 billion to hit the big ner— lines of £350 billion to hit this big net zero agenda. we had to this big net zero agenda. we had ro rwn— this big net zero agenda. we had ro rwn eoe— this big net zero agenda. we had to turn some solar— this big net zero agenda. we had to turn some solar panels off rne— to turn some solar panels off we owe— to turn some solar panels off we orner oey— to turn some solar panels off the other day because it was too ewnny— the other day because it was too ewnny eni— the other day because it was too ewnny eno iner— the other day because it was too sunny and that i— the other day because it was too sunny and that i think , sums up sunny and that i think, sums up we need— sunny and that i think, sums up we need ro— sunny and that i think, sums up we used to mock— sunny and that i think, sums up we used to mock solar panels ieeewee— we used to mock solar panels ieeewee rne— we used to mock solar panels because the sun— we used to mock solar panels because the sun only shone 5 or 6 because the sun only shone 5 or e ieye— because the sun only shone 5 or e ieye e— because the sun only shone 5 or e ieye e yeer— because the sun only shone 5 or e ieye e yeer ro— because the sun only shone 5 or 6 days a year to make them work. so 6 days a year to make them work. so we— 6 days a year to make them work. so we neve— 6 days a year to make them work. so we neve e— 6 days a year to make them work. so we have a heatwave_ 6 days a year to make them work. so we have a heatwave and- 6 days a year to make them work. so we have a heatwave and they burn up and they don't work. we know windmills don't work. the greatest of our policy on net zero is that even the europeans have pushed back their target to 2035. but we're still stuck on 2030. it's ludicrous . acas yeah, 2030. it's ludicrous. acas yeah, smart motorways— 2030. it's ludicrous. acas yeah, smart motorways .— 2030. it's ludicrous. acas yeah, smart motorways . just- 20:50 e r: it. acas yeah, smart motorways . just one more smart motorways. just one more new— smart motorways. just one more new eni— smart motorways. just one more new end i— smart motorways. just one more mark and i will— smart motorways. just one more mark and i will let— smart motorways. just one more mark and i will let you get going— mark and i will let you get going in— mark and i will let you get going in e— mark and i will let you get going in a second. smart noiorweye— going in a second. smart motorways. this is just it's iner— motorways. this is just it's iwer en— motorways. this is just it's just an excuse— motorways. this is just it's just an excuse to not presumably get just an excuse to not presumably ger eny— just an excuse to not presumably gei eny planning— just an excuse to not presumably get any planning permission to iwiii— get any planning permission to twin-rene— get any planning permission to build-lane.-ripl build an extra lane. we'll rip your— build an extra lane. we'll rip yow—ow. - build an extra lane. we'll ripi your—out. we'll build an extra lane. we'll rip youtsome out. we'll build an extra lane. we'll rip youtsome cameras out. we'll build an extra lane. we'll rip youtsome cameras ont. we'll build an extra lane. we'll rip youtsome cameras on there ll build an extra lane. we'll rip youtsome cameras on there that put some cameras on there that are put some cameras on there that ewpoeei— put some cameras on there that ewnoeei ro— put some cameras on there that are supposed to supposed to be enie— are supposed to supposed to be ewe-ii— are supposed to supposed to be able-if there's- are supposed to supposed to be able _if there's a - are supposed to supposed to be able if there's a traffic able to see if there's a traffic tern. — able to see if there's a traffic tern. wner— able to see if there's a traffic jam. what happens? they jam. what happens? will they ereen — jam. what happens? will they ereen .so— jam. what happens? will they ereen .so we— jam. what happens? will they steam so we have to spend steam up? so we have to spend a bit steam up? so we have to spend a iii oi— steam up? so we have to spend a iii of iine— steam up? so we have to spend a bit of time pointing— steam up? so we have to spend a bit of time pointing them at the sun. meanwhile, people get rnwnierei— sun. meanwhile, people get thundered-a- sun. meanwhile, people get thundered a polish lorry thundered into by a polish lorry inver— thundered into by a polish lorry driver-right.-was| driver. that's right. who was the idiot at whichever

department he was ? presumably department he was? presumably the department of transport who called this idea the smart motorways ? yeah, i would have motorways? yeah, i would have called them the thickest idea ever to have come out of the department of transport . so department of transport. so i would call them thick head motorways because they kill people. they cut down on your ability to feel safe and secure in your car in this country. and it's another scandal of badly run government . the thing is, run government. the thing is, patrick, though, we've been slating the current government , slating the current government, i've already had a pop at what could be the future government who do i as a right thinking not politically, but right thinking intelligent citizen and the united kingdom who do i go to and vote for to make this country run properly ? yeah, i country run properly? yeah, i don't know. i mean,- i " , yeah,i don't know. i mean, this is this is don't know. i mean, this is this ie rne— don't know. i mean, this is this ie we tning— don't know. i mean, this is this is the thing. we're— don't know. i mean, this is this is the thing. we're being let down.— is the thing. we're being let down. inie— is the thing. we're being let down. this is— is the thing. we're being let down. this is it.— is the thing. we're being let down. this is it. and you could rene— down. this is it. and you could rene yow— down. this is it. and you could rene yow pier.— down. this is it. and you could take your pick. there's loads of one— take your pick. there's loads of one rninge— take your pick. there's loads of other things we— take your pick. there's loads of other things we stuck other things we can get stuck inro— other things we can get stuck into now— other things we can get stuck into now-isn't- other things we can get stuck into now. isn't just into now. and it isn't just iner— into now. and it isn't just tier-lien-r— into now. and it isn't just that. lisn't just- into now. and it isn't just

that. isn't just the that. it isn't just the government. you that. it isn't just the government. .you the government. like you said, the oopoeiiion—rne- opposition an it's also the peonie— opposition an it's also the people government people that the government and oppoeiiion— people that the government and opposition—advicel opposition will go to for advice on-ir— opposition will go to for advice on-ir iner— opposition will go to for advice on-it just seems- opposition will go to for advice on it just seems to me on stuff. it just seems to me iine— on stuff. it just seems to me iiie neopre— on stuff. it just seems to me like people are— on stuff. it just seems to me like people are just rising to rne— like people are just rising to we ion— like people are just rising to the top without— like people are just rising to the top without any kind of qualifications— qualifications or aptitude whatsoever. _ whatsoever. mike thank you. inioyei— enjoyed that thoroughly. mike perry— enjoyed that thoroughly. mike perry-regent,- enjoyed that thoroughly. mikel parry-legend,-of broadcasting legend, friend of the broadcasting legend, friend of. tne—enennei the show, friend of the channel rignr. — the show, friend of the channel rignr. oney.— the show, friend of the channel rignr. oney. so— the show, friend of the channel right. okay. so the controversy , ievieroei— right. okay. so the controversy , tavistock gender— right. okay. so the controversy , tavistock gender clinic , you , tavistock gender clinic, you all remember— , tavistock gender clinic, you all remember this one. we got inro— all remember this one. we got inro-oi— all remember this one. we got inro-oi-i-ii- all remember this one. we got into-of-i'll tell. into a lot of trouble. i'll tell you— into a lot of trouble. i'll tell yoe-in— into a lot of trouble. i'll tell yoe-in e— into a lot of trouble. i'll tell you-in a second.- into a lot of trouble. i'll tell you in a second. but that's you why in a second. but that's oioeing— you why in a second. but that's eioeinglereii— you why in a second. but that's closing.-staff from - you why in a second. but that's closing. staff from there closing. but staff from there ere-working— closing. but staff from there are working with are still working with vulnerable - are still working with vulnerable kids confused about rneir— vulnerable kids confused about new gender.— vulnerable kids confused about their gender. they're going to set their gender. they're going to eer w— their gender. they're going to eer up e— their gender. they're going to set up a private— their gender. they're going to set up a private clinic. it's eir— set up a private clinic. it's eii very— set up a private clinic. it's all very weird.— set up a private clinic. it's all very weird. this and i will be reining— all very weird. this and i will be reining ee— all very weird. this and i will be talking as well to a lady was noorei— be talking as well to a lady was ioorei ow— be talking as well to a lady was booted out or— be talking as well to a lady was booted out of school for saying rnere— booted out of school for saying rnere wee— booted out of school for saying there were only— booted out of school for saying there were only two genders. perrier— there were only two genders. patrick christys _ there were only two genders. patrick christys gb news, patrick christys on gb news, nrirein-e— patrick christys on gb news, ermine-.—

doing now? join me every sunday at 6:00 for gloria meets only on gb news, britain's news . channel gb news, britain's news. channel okay . right. so gb news, britain's news. channel okay. right. so i think we all thought we'd seen the back of a lot of the old gender nightmare . and how didn't we. but sadly, not by the way, just a little throw ahead. i about throw ahead. before i talk about all topic, i will all of that topic, i will have the now on that the latest. now on that desperate search, that sea desperate search, that deep sea vessel near vessel that's still missing near the titanic. the wreck of the titanic. experts that their experts have warned that their oxygen due to run out oxygen supply was due to run out a i will keep you a few hours ago. i will keep you up to date that as i get up to date on that as i get a little bit more info through little bit more info fed through to me here. but yes, as i was saying, we were that saying, we were told that the tavistock was this tavistock clinic, which was this gender reassignment clinic, it got shut down over fears. got shut down over safety fears. and i think we can all understand why. but we assumed that it would put a stop to gender ideology running rampant

in puberty blockers in the nhs. puberty blockers being handed out kids. but being handed out to kids. but now staff from that controversial facility . me what controversial facility. me what are they going to going to do? they're going to set up a private gender clinic. yeah. so a clinic it offers a new clinic says it offers referrals for and referrals for hormones and surgery delivered by many staff members who previously worked at the tavistock centre and came under fire for its gender affirming attitudes and a rush to medicalized kid. so previously, in a nutshell , to medicalized kid. so previously, in a nutshell, a child sometimes with autism, sometimes with other mental health problems, sometimes just with whatever would go in from a young age and essentially be allowed to medically transition , permanently, disfigure themselves and make massive, massive decisions about their own well—being. that clinic was criticised and shut down. so then what are some of those doctors do they going to set up a private clinic? i think that's pretty sinister. with me to discuss this now is journalist and it's helen joyce. and author. it's helen joyce. helen, thank much. helen, thank you very much. great on show. great to have you on the show. does now this new does this clinic now this new clinic to be looked at? clinic not need to be looked at? it's called gender plus. it's a

private gender service that accepts referrals for children, adolescents . i'm adolescents and adults. i'm sorry, these people are sorry, but if these people are these people with these people obsessed with making kids change gender, i mean, they think they're doing the right thing and they're not listening to all the evidence that shows that they're not. i mean, the tavistock still mean, the tavistock is still open. — mean, the tavistock is still open. -nroeeee| mean, the tavistock is stilli open. _process of open. it's in the process of being wound down. but the transfer the new clinics transfer to the two new clinics that meant to be replacing that are meant to be replacing it, i'm really sorry, has it, helen, i'm really sorry, has taken helen, i'm taken longer. okay, helen, i'm reeiiy— taken longer. okay, helen, i'm reeiiy ,— taken longer. okay, helen, i'm reeiiy , reeiiy— taken longer. okay, helen, i'm really , really- helen. - really, really sorry. helen. iner— really, really sorry. helen. twee-enee— really, really sorry. helen. just-there for- really, really sorry. helen. just there for me, please, just stay there for me, please, if just stay there for me, please, ii-oney.— just stay there for me, please, ii-oney.-neve- just stay there for me, please,| if-okay.-have some if that's okay. i just have some big brewing— if that's okay. i just have some big breaking news— if that's okay. i just have some big breaking news that i need to wing— big breaking news that i need to iring ro— big breaking news that i need to iring ro pebble— big breaking news that i need to bring to people now. so this is iner— bring to people now. so this is twee-we.— bring to people now. so this is twee-wey. ine- bring to people now. so this is just-way. the us- bring to people now. so this is just way. the us coast just come my way. the us coast ereno— just come my way. the us coast ereno-ieirie— just come my way. the us coast guard-debris field- just come my way. the us coast guard debris field has guard says a debris field has been— guard says a debris field has been discovered— guard says a debris field has been discovered within the en— been discovered within the search area— been discovered within the search area by— been discovered within the search area by an rov near the iirenie— search area by an rov near the iirenie .— search area by an rov near the titanic . experts— search area by an rov near the titanic . experts within the titanic. experts within the unified— titanic. experts within the unified command are evaluated . unified command are evaluated. ieering— unified command are evaluated. ieering rne— unified command are evaluated. rating the information. i'll wing— rating the information. i'll iring iner— rating the information. i'll bring that to— rating the information. i'll bring that to you one more time. inie— bring that to you one more time. we ie— bring that to you one more time. we ie rne— bring that to you one more time. this is the breaking news and it's this is the breaking news and we in— this is the breaking news and it's in relation— this is the breaking news and it's in relation to— this is the breaking news and it's in relation to that titan ewinergei— it's in relation to that titan submerged symbol where there's been— submerged symbol where there's been enie— submerged symbol where there's been this desperate search and rescue operation— been this desperate search and rescue operation taking place for— rescue operation taking place for e— rescue operation taking place now for a number of days. the iereer— now for a number of days. the new ie— now for a number of days. the

latest is this. _ now for a number of days. the latest is this. the— now for a number of days. the latest is this. the us coastguard- latest is this. the us coastguard says a debris field nee— coastguard says a debris field nee ieen— coastguard says a debris field has been discovered within the en— has been discovered within the search area by— has been discovered within the search area by an— has been discovered within the search area by an rov near the new— search area by an rov near the iiren wee-n— search area by an rov near the titan wreck. experts within the unified — titan wreck. experts within the unified command are evaluating the information.— unified command are evaluating the information. i'm hoping that we nigne— the information. i'm hoping that we nignr ie— the information. i'm hoping that we might be able— the information. i'm hoping that we might be able to try to get someone on about— we might be able to try to get someone on about that very, very enoniy. — someone on about that very, very enoniy. iner— someone on about that very, very enoniy. rwer ro— someone on about that very, very shortly. just to expand on that for we— shortly. just to expand on that for we e— shortly. just to expand on that for us a little— shortly. just to expand on that for us a little bit,— shortly. just to expand on that for us a little bit, i will give you— for us a little bit, i will give you ee— for us a little bit, i will give you ee neon— for us a little bit, i will give you as much information as i noeeiiiy— you as much information as i noeeiiiy en— you as much information as i noeeiiiy ee— you as much information as i possibly can as we get it. look in— possibly can as we get it. look i-n-going— possibly can as we get it. look i-n-going-weienl i'm just going to bring helen neon— i'm just going to bring helen gag-toot,- i'm just going to bring helen back-look, i'm- i'm just going to bring helen back look, i'm very back in. helen, look, i'm very eorry—croee- back in. helen, look, i'm very eorry—croee yowl sorry about that. cross you erreignr— sorry about that. cross you weigh-,— sorry about that. cross you straight-, but- sorry about that. cross you straight , but will sorry about that. cross you. straight-, but-will be sorry about that. cross you- straight-, but-will be we straight away, but we will be we wiri— straight away, but we will be we wiii ie— straight away, but we will be we wiii ire-ro— straight away, but we will be we will be _to - story. will be returning to that story enoniy. — will be returning to that story enoniy. _werei shortly. look, as you were eeying— shortly. look, as you were eeying-sorry- shortly. look, as you were saying, sorry. i'll saying, helen, sorry. i'll let you— saying, helen, sorry. i'll let yoe—iron- saying, helen, sorry. i'll let you—from here.i saying, helen, sorry. i'll let. you—from here. do you just take it from here. do you— you just take it from here. do yoe-iner— you just take it from here. do yoe-rner rnie- you just take it from here. do you-that this is- you just take it from here. do you-that this is a- you just take it from here. do you that this is a serious you think that this is a serious iner— you think that this is a serious concern, that doctors are now so keen— keen to essentially. well, some wowe— keen to essentially. well, some wowii—niie- keen to essentially. well, some would—kids sol would argue, mutilate kids so eneee— would argue, mutilate kids so these doctors— would argue, mutilate kids so these doctors do— would argue, mutilate kids so these doctors do think they're going— these doctors do think they're doing rne— these doctors do think they're doing the right— these doctors do think they're doing the right thing? i think the evidence— doing the right thing? i think the evidence is— doing the right thing? i think the evidence is overwhelmingly that they're not out. they are basically sidestepping the tighter protocols that the nhs is trying to put in place as it shifts from the tavistock, which, as you say , is in the which, as you say, is in the process of being shut down by

going private. and they're not the ones. there are other the only ones. there are other nrivere— the only ones. there are other private doctors— the only ones. there are other private doctors . _ there are other private doctors . i: cir:r:r: private doctors. there's gender gp, which offers us a online gp, which offers us a few online sessions , you know, just a few sessions, you know, just a few zoom consultations at the end of which you can a diagnosis of which you can get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. they give you a prescription for puberty blockers hormones , blockers or cross—sex hormones, which can then bring to your which you can then bring to your gp to have it gp and ask to have it transferred into an nhs prescription. so you know, it's seeming to be laughably easy to go around this overarching decision that these this medication has not been proven to be effective, that we have very serious safety concerns about it and that the right approach is to really drastically cut down on its use and to allow it, if at all, only in proper research protocols . in proper research protocols. and yet we see people just sidestepping this by setting up onune. sidestepping this by setting up online . i think i think that the online. i think i think that the authorities, the medical licencing authorities should be the ones to look this. the ones to look at this. is this right ? this suitable? is this right? it okay. exactly helen, look, rnenn— it okay. exactly helen, look, rnenn yoe— it okay. exactly helen, look, rnenn you very,— it okay. exactly helen, look, thank you very, very much for iner— thank you very, very much for rner. i— thank you very, very much for rner. i io— thank you very, very much for that. i do apologise again for iner— that. i do apologise again for rner being— that. i do apologise again for that being quite— that. i do apologise again for that being quite short. i do none— that being quite short. i do hope understand that being quite short. i do. hope-understand-of hope you understand that. ofi

eowee—rner course we do understand that ireeking— course we do understand that brewing—on- course we do understand that. breaking—onlrolling breaking news there on a rolling story.— breaking news there on a rolling stow-thank— breaking news there on a rolling stow-thank you- breaking news there on a rolling story. thank you very story. helen, thank you very much. — story. helen, thank you very much. helen— story. helen, thank you very much. helen joyce, who is journalist— much. helen joyce, who is journalist and— much. helen joyce, who is journalist and author that was in-to— journalist and author that was in-to a— journalist and author that was in-to a story- journalist and author that was in-to a story i- journalist and author that was in to a story i will be in relation to a story i will be returning— in relation to a story i will be returning to— in relation to a story i will be returning to that— in relation to a story i will be returning to that story which is about— returning to that story which is about the— returning to that story which is about the gender— returning to that story which is about the gender issue affecting children— about the gender issue affecting cnrrnnn .— about the gender issue affecting children . and— about the gender issue affecting children . and i— about the gender issue affecting children . and i have children. and i will have a former— children. and i will have a former scottish— children. and i will have a former scottish school pupil on in rne— former scottish school pupil on in rne nen— former scottish school pupil on in the next hour— former scottish school pupil on in the next hour who's going to be discussing— in the next hour who's going to be discussing about the fact rnnr— be discussing about the fact rnnr rney— be discussing about the fact that they booted out of that they were booted out of nnonr— that they were booted out of school-telling _ that they were booted out of school-telling a - that they were booted out of school telling a teacher school for telling a teacher rnnr— school for telling a teacher rnnr-rno- school for telling a teacher that two genders. school for telling a teacher- that-two genders. but i that they had two genders. but i nnnr— that they had two genders. but i nan-ro— that they had two genders. but i nnnr-ro rnn— that they had two genders. but i want-to this big- want to return to this big breaking— want to return to this big breaking-story- want to return to this big breaking story now. want to return to this big breaking-story now. think breaking news story now. i think we-veo-r— breaking news story now. i think we-reo-r rn— breaking news story now. i think we've-to it, really,- we've got to go to it, really, nnrcn— we've got to go to it, really, which-course,- we've got to go to it, really, which course, some big which is, of course, some big news-us— which is, of course, some big news. us coastguard says news. the us coastguard says rnnr— news. the us coastguard says mar—nas- news. the us coastguard says that—has been. that a debris field has been discovered— that a debris field has been discovered search discovered within the search ny— discovered within the search by an— discovered within the search area by an rov— discovered within the search area by an rov near the titanic discovered within the search area tisan rov near the titanic discovered within the search area his in rov near the titanic discovered within the search area his in relation,r the titanic discovered within the search area his in relation, 0er titanic . this is in relation, of course, to that titan submersible. missing submersible. it went missingj over the weekend. ever since rnen— over the weekend. ever since rnen rnere-s— over the weekend. ever since then, there's been this ticking crock— then, there's been this ticking clock-believed— then, there's been this ticking clock believed anyway, as we clock we believed anyway, as we unnersroon— clock we believed anyway, as we unnersroon ,— clock we believed anyway, as we understood , that— clock we believed anyway, as we understood , that the oxygen understood, that the oxygen supply— understood, that the oxygen supply nas— understood, that the oxygen supply was potentially running out supply was potentially running our nnn— supply was potentially running out with five _ supply was potentially running out with five people on board, a nonpre— out with five people on board, a couple or— out with five people on board, a couple of them— out with five people on board, a couple of them british, a couple of couple of them british, a couple or-nnn— couple of them british, a couple or-nnn or— couple of them british, a couple of-kind of adopted- couple of them british, a couple of kind of adopted british of them kind of adopted british as of them kind of adopted british ns-rr— of them kind of adopted british ns-rr-ne— of them kind of adopted british as-it-be-now,l as well. it must be said. now, rnn— as well. it must be said. now, this-according— as well. it must be said. now, this-according-us. this is according to the us consrgnnrn. — coastguard. it's just landed in nonr— coastguard. it's just landed in from—non,- coastguard. it's just landed in front—now, which. coastguard. it's just landed in front now, which is front of us right now, which is apparenrry— front of us right now, which is apparently debris— front of us right now, which is apparently debris has been discovered— apparently debris has been discovered and— apparently debris has been discovered and here give us a discovered and here to give us a bit discovered and here to give us a nrr-rnro— discovered and here to give us a nrr-rnro n— discovered and here to give us a bit-info is paul— discovered and here to give us a

bit info is paul hawkins, bit more info is paul hawkins, our-nnoner- bit more info is paul hawkins, our-nnoner .- bit more info is paul hawkins, our reporter. yeah, so our national reporter. yeah, so p..r,_ our national reporter. yeah, so parr-n— our national reporter. yeah, so rant-n rne— our national reporter. yeah, so paul,-is the big- our national reporter. yeah, so paul, is the big breaking paul, this is the big breaking nnn—rr- paul, this is the big breaking nnn—rr n i line, isn't it.7 yeah, it is. it's a potentially very significant line coming out. this debris field discovered within the search area by an rov near the title tank. now, we know that the search area was quite big. they hadn't narrowed it down, potentially could have narrowed it down to as little as 100m, but it was still fairly large. but it does say that it is near the tide panic and it's been picked up by one of the remote operated vehicles. you know , that have been brought in, know, that have been brought in, dropped into the water there. so experts within the unified command, they're looking at the information . and we've just information. and we've just learned that there will be a press briefing at 3:00, 3:00. isn't it their time , which isn't it their time, which i believe makes it 8:00 our time? yeah, i think i think that's £0.08 pm our time . um, so yeah, £0.08 pm our time. um, so yeah, we'll be hearing from rear admiral john mauger who i spoke about earlier. he's the first

coastguard district commander , coastguard district commander, also captain jamie frederick , also captain jamie frederick, the first coastguard district response coordinator. he's the man that's been giving the briefings as every day this week . but yeah, a potentially huge development this afternoon . and development this afternoon. and that taking place that we think i think that's 8 pm. our time is five hours ahead. yes indeed. we i would imagine we'll be nnngrng— we i would imagine we'll be nnngrng yon— we i would imagine we'll be bringing you that live if we can nen— bringing you that live if we can nen on— bringing you that live if we can nen on en— bringing you that live if we can here on gb news.— bringing you that live if we can here on gb news. just to fill you— here on gb news. just to fill you rn— here on gb news. just to fill you n again-— here on gb news. just to fill you in again. yes.- here on gb news. just to fill you in again. yes. so when we nnr— you in again. yes. so when we nnr srnnen— you in again. yes. so when we first started this— you in again. yes. so when we first started this show, as we unnersroon— first started this show, as we understood it,— first started this show, as we understood it, the clock was nnning— understood it, the clock was nnning rn— understood it, the clock was ticking in-of- understood it, the clock was ticking in-of .- the oxygen supply on i the oxygenl supply on this | rne oxygen— supply on this particular craft, rnn— supply on this particular craft, this submersible— supply on this particular craft, this submersible that was banned— this submersible that was believed to— this submersible that was believed to have been somewhere near—or— near the wreckage of the nnnin— near the wreckage of the titanic, .five - near the wreckage of thei titanic,.five _on near the wreckage of the- titanic,.five _on board titanic, we five people on board rnnr— titanic, we five people on board that-supply— titanic, we five people on board rnnr-snnnrr nas- titanic, we five people on board that supply was supposed that oxygen supply was supposed to leave run out around midday roden— to leave run out around midday roan-ne— to leave run out around midday| today.-we-actually today. i believe we can actually go ro—

today. i believe we can actually go to newfoundland now, i think, nnrcn—rne- which is this this is the narrow,— which is this this is the- harbour,_harbour. harbour, saint john's harbour. ann—n- harbour, saint john's harbour. ann—n rer- harbour, saint john's harbour. ann—n nr or- harbour, saint john's harbour. and—a lot of the and this is where a lot of the nann— and this is where a lot of the search-rescue— and this is where a lot of the search rescue operations search and rescue operations nen—non] search and rescue operations. were kind of starting from, um, nnn— were kind of starting from, um, and—sprung- were kind of starting from, um,| and—spilling out and will be kind of spilling out rnern— and will be kind of spilling out rnern-nies- and will be kind of spilling out there, miles offshore there, obviously miles offshore rewards— towards the titanic. and paul, nnn— towards the titanic. and paul,l nnnr—ronnn what they did, especially today, was what they did, especially today, nan—nnn- what they did, especially today, nan—cram rn- what they did, especially today,j was—crafts in the was they had more crafts in the warn— was they had more crafts in the water_ searching. i water looking and searching. and it's believed that an rov has round— it's believed that an rov has now found some— it's believed that an rov has now found some debris. so what does— now found some debris. so whati does_mean.people does that really mean for people so does that really mean for people so—renorery- so rov stands for remotely operand— so rov stands for remotely- operated—essentially operated vessel and essentially ,irnese— operated vessel and essentially , .these little _ operated vessel and essentially ,-these little sort- operated vessel and essentially , these little sort of , it's these little sort of snari— , it's these little sort of small machines that they drop inro— small machines that they drop no rne— small machines that they drop into the water— small machines that they drop into the water to— small machines that they drop into the water to have been reinven— into the water to have been deployed ro— into the water to have been deployed to the— into the water to have been deployed to the water. : deployed to the water. today, we non-r— deployed to the water. today, we non-r know. — deployed to the water. today, we don't know. one of them is the victor 6000. that's the state of the art french rov brought by the art french rov brought by the latent. i think it is . um. the latent. i think it is. um. uh, that's been deployed to the water state of the art visual sensors , audio sensors , and sensors, audio sensors, and crucially, robotic arms , so that crucially, robotic arms, so that we were hoping , we still are we were hoping, we still are hoping we don't know what this debns hoping we don't know what this debris is, that it would be able to potentially hook something onto the titan and help it to the surface , or at least free it the surface, or at least free it from some kind of wreckage. the other rov was deployed earlier

from the horizon . i think it was from the horizon. i think it was . so two rovs in the water. we don't know which one has found this debris field, but yeah, that's the state of play at the moment. and of course, not just in the water. they've been sweeping the area with reconnaissance the air as reconnaissance from the air as well and dropping sonobuoys as well, which is we heard well, which is how we heard those sound recordings, which earlier actually from john john mauger earlier was saying that these sound recordings , we think these sound recordings, we think he saying that the initial he was saying that the initial analysis was that they were most likely to be just background ocean noise. yeah no, indeed, because that was the kind of ray of hope, wasn't it? i think for a lot of hope, wasn't it? i think for n in or— of hope, wasn't it? i think for a in or neopre— of hope, wasn't it? i think for a lot of people at— of hope, wasn't it? i think for a lot of people at the- c fl i think for a lot of people at the time yesterdav- — a lot of people at the time yesterday. and _ a lot of people at the time yesterday. and important to enpnnsne— emphasise is so what the us consrgnnrn— emphasise is so what the us coastguard-is- emphasise is so what the us coastguard is that coastguard is saying is that a renn— coastguard is saying is that a debris field— coastguard is saying is that a debris field-been- coastguard is saying is that a debris field been found. now debris field has been found. now this debris field has been found. now rnn—rnrn— debris field has been found. now rnn—rnrn-ro- this could well turn out to be sonernrng— this could well turn out to be sonernrng-or- this could well turn out to be something-of-itl this could well turn out to bei something-of-it is something else. of course it is nenrn—nn- something else. of course it is near—and therefore| near the titanic and therefore you— near the titanic and therefore you fear— near the titanic and therefore you fear rne— near the titanic and therefore you fear the worst. but for a long— you fear the worst. but for a tong nnn— you fear the worst. but for a long time there— you fear the worst. but for a long time there was a bit of none— long time there was a bit of none yesterdavr_ long time there was a bit of hope yesterday, wasn't as hope yesterday, wasn't there, as we rnongnr— hope yesterday, wasn't there, as we rnengnr ne— hope yesterday, wasn't there, as we thought we might have been nearing— we thought we might have beeni nearing—signer. hearing some kind of sos signal. we—rnereerel we thought that might indicate that we thought that might indicate rner—nere- we thought that might indicate that—were still- we thought that might indicate that were still alive

that the people were still alive on that the people were still alive en nearer. — that the people were still alive en nearer. ire— that the people were still alive on board. we have— that the people were still alive on board. we have to wait for confirmation.— on board. we have to wait for confirmation. hopefully we get some-er— confirmation. hopefully we get none-er prese— confirmation. hopefully we get some of press conference some kind of press conference rererrrery— some kind of press conference rerenrerr eeon— some kind of press conference relatively soon, potentially around— relatively soon, potentially erenne 8— relatively soon, potentially around 8 pin-— relatively soon, potentially around 8 pm. uk time, maybe a bit around 8 p.m. uk time, maybe a er earner,— around 8 p.m. uk time, maybe a er earner, n— around 8 pm. uk time, maybe a bit earlier, if indeed there is. eene—wner some confirmation as to what indeed— some confirmation as to what indeed-debris— some confirmation as to what indeed-debris is- some confirmation as to what indeed-debris is .- some confirmation as to what indeed debris is . this will indeed this debris is. this will be absolutely— indeed this debris is. this will be absolutely galling for the renrnee— be absolutely galling for the renrnee er— be absolutely galling for the families of people who have just been— families of people who have just been nnning— families of people who have just been waiting days— families of people who have just been waiting days for any kind of been waiting days for any kind or any— been waiting days for any kind or any kind— been waiting days for any kind or any kind er— been waiting days for any kind of any kind of news and perenneuy— of any kind of news and potentially now, potentially now neu— potentially now, potentially now ne-u ne— potentially now, potentially now we'll be fearing— potentially now, potentially now we'll be fearing the worst. reen— we'll be fearing the worst. veen ane— we'll be fearing the worst. yeah, and one— we'll be fearing the worst. yeah, and one would have i mean, we yeah, and one would have i mean, ne-rner— yeah, and one would have i mean, ne-rner rneee— yeah, and one would have i mean, we-that these rovs- yeah, and one would have i mean, we that these rovs are we know that these rovs are finen— we know that these rovs are freed nnn— we know that these rovs are fitted with video— we know that these rovs are fitted with video cameras. nint— fitted with video cameras. nignr .— fitted with video cameras. nignr . ann — fitted with video cameras. right . and extremely- right. and extremely sophisticate video cameras that give high resolution images. they will have been seeing exactly what the rov picks up. now i'm no expert on this, but you would have thought they would be able to tell the difference between something that was made in the last five years in the modern day and something from the titanic that's been lying at the bottom of the atlantic since 1912. so they will have seen what the rov will . but as say, will have seen. but as we say, a unified command. they will be analysing information in

analysing that information in now. they'll have experts from the navy over those the us navy poring over those pictures from the command centre in boston in and then we will and that is where we will get that press briefing at 8:00 this evening. and so many evening. yeah and so many different theories as to what could have happened initially on this show on monday, tuesday , this show on monday, tuesday, tuesday, i was talking to an expert who said to me categorically at the time he was like, look, what i think will have happened is that unfortunately, might unfortunately, there might have been in been some kind of breach in the port where apparently port side where apparently there was done was some welding that is done together. there that together. there and that that nonre— together. there and that that nenw—e- together. there and that that would _ a potential i would have been a potential weakness. well,— would have been a potential weakness. well, then literally, the weakness. well, then literally, rne—rner- weakness. well, then literally, rne—rner r- weakness. well, then literally, the _that i had- weakness. well, then literally, the—that i had oni the next expert that i had on errerneree— the next expert that i had on afterwards said— the next expert that i had on afterwards said it's probably at the afterwards said it's probably at rne—enr- afterwards said it's probably at rne—enr ofl the bottom of the sea, out of ewe— the bottom of the sea, out of eewen—wewe- the bottom of the sea, out of. power,_we've spoken power, but intact. we've spoken to power, but intact. we've spoken re-eeeere— power, but intact. we've spokeni re-eeeere—rnrnn to a few people today who think ener— to a few people today who think enn—er- to a few people today who think enn—er neee- that there was a ray of hope wren— that there was a ray of hope with—signals- that there was a ray of hope with—signals and| with these sos signals and ernere— with these sos signals and ernere-ere— with these sos signals and others are saying, look, others who are saying, look, it was-background - others who are saying, look, it was background noise in the was just background noise in the ocaoenn—kw-i ocean and we don't really know. ane— ocean and we don't really know. ann—re- ocean and we don't really know. ann—re ener- and then the latest is that wearing— and then the latest is that breaking which is that breaking line, which is that eweeeeeew— breaking line, which is that supposedly debris field has supposedly a debris field has newr—n— supposedly a debris field has newr—n ener- supposedly a debris field hasi now—in that search now been found in that search lis— now been found in that search ereelre eren— now been found in that search ereelre enen e— now been found in that search area. is such a vast area. of area. it is such a vast area. of course , as well,— area. it is such a vast area. of course , as well, isn't it? and course, as well, isn't it? and eneee— course, as well, isn't it? and those searches— course, as well, isn't it? and those searches are going to eennnne— those searches are going to continue. yeah,— those searches are going to

continue. yeah, and just one eener— continue. yeah, and just one other thought. _ continue. yeah, and just one other thought. "er c continue. yeah, and just one other thought. "can . "r:r.2;2«r other thought. they won't purely go on the visual one go on the visual images. one would try would have thought they will try and to collect some and use the rovs to collect some of that debris and bring it to the that the surface, that that potentially be quite potentially could be quite tncky potentially could be quite tricky depending on the size of the pieces of the debris. it will couple of hours to will take a couple of hours to bnng will take a couple of hours to bring the surface. bring back to the surface. that's what that's probably why it's what it's expecting that it's 8:00. we're expecting that briefing. now. briefing. it's 5:00 now. so three if they can retrieve three hours if they can retrieve some look at some of that debris and look at it, them a better it, that'll give them a better idea confirmation what it, that'll give them a better idis confirmation what it, that'll give them a better idis . confirmation what it, that'll give them a better idis . when:onfirmation what it, that'll give them a better idis . when weirmation what it, that'll give them a better idis . when we getition what it, that'll give them a better idis . when we get to n what it, that'll give them a better idis . when we get to 8:00 ivhat it, that'll give them a better idis . when we get to 8:00 this it is. when we get to 8:00 this evening, time . exactly. can i evening, uk time. exactly. can i just ask you, paul, if it's- " “q c xartuy can i just ask you, paul, if it's all new— just ask you, paul, if it's all nenr iner— just ask you, paul, if it's all nenr we re— just ask you, paul, if it's all right just to stick around with me rn— right just to stick around with me in rne— right just to stick around with me in the studio— right just to stick around with me in the studio for a minute as we—eer— me in the studio for a minute as we—eer e- me in the studio for a minute as we—eer e rew- me in the studio for a minute as we_get a few more| we just possibly get a few more enrerenr— different lines to it. i'm just going— different lines to it. i'm just gene-nnnin- different lines to it. i'm just going martin blyth's going to go to martin blyth's rweerrne— going to go to martin blyth's rweerrne-ne-e- tweeting him now. he's a spokesperson— tweeting him now. he's a spokesperson for the british rrrenre— spokesperson for the british mane-iner- spokesperson for the british titanic-just to- spokesperson for the british titanic just to get an titanic society, just to get an inner— titanic society, just to get an initial reaction— titanic society, just to get an initial reaction from you, eiease.— initial reaction from you, pleaser re— initial reaction from you, please, to this- initial reaction from you, please, to this break ing news rner— please, to this break ing news rner rne— please, to this break ing news rner rne us— please, to this break ing news that the us coast— please, to this break ing news that the us coast guard has said ener— that the us coast guard has said rner e— that the us coast guard has said rner e eenne— that the us coast guard has said that a debris field— that the us coast guard has said that a debris field has been renne— that a debris field has been renne rn— that a debris field has been found in that— that a debris field has been found in that search area where rney— found in that search area where new wee— found in that search area where they were looking _ found in that search area where they were looking for tighten. eeee— they were looking for tighten. good evening. _ they were looking for tighten. good evening. “233 they were looking for tighten. good evening. t/r2;~;fr r2.r2r. good evening. yes, of course, we've naturally been praying and hoping for good news as a

collective of worldwide titanic enthusiasts for the last few days, ever since the news broke that the titan was missing . i that the titan was missing. i know that as a collective now we will be deeply concerned. following the recent announcement by the us ceeerewere— announcement by the us coastguard that a debris field nee— coastguard that a debris field nee teen— coastguard that a debris field has been found. _ coastguard that a debris field has been found. e has been found. obviously it's unconfirmed as of yet whether this is in fact titan. but as your your co—host- this is in fact titan. but as your your co—host just- " ”fit. but as your your co—host just then " ”fit. a" but as your your co—host just then was saying— your your co—host just then was saying rner— your your co—host just then was saying rner wen— your your co—host just then was saying that you would expect wrrn — saying that you would expect wrrn rne — saying that you would expect with the quality— saying that you would expect with the quality of the camera wern— with the quality of the camera work available _ with the quality of the camera work available on— with the quality of the camera work available on this rov, that rney— work available on this rov, that new wenre— work available on this rov, that new were re— work available on this rov, that they would be able to tell a eenne— they would be able to tell a distinct difference between mean eenne— distinct difference between mean eeene wnren— distinct difference between mean debris, which are,— distinct difference between mean debris, which are, you know, fren— debris, which are, you know, nen ren— debris, which are, you know, from 1912 and— debris, which are, you know, from 1912 and those which are men— from 1912 and those which are much more modern, and even those tren— much more modern, and even those nen newne— much more modern, and even those nen newee twe— much more modern, and even those from maybe five years ago as wen-we— from maybe five years ago as wen-we twer— from maybe five years ago as you've just said,— from maybe five years ago as you've just said, naturally, the entren— you've just said, naturally, the british titanic— you've just said, naturally, the british titanic society were all concerned about— british titanic society were all concerned about the news. but we weer— concerned about the news. but we meet ewerr— concerned about the news. but we must await that— concerned about the news. but we must await that update from the us at 8:00 this evening . yeah. us at 8:00 this evening. yeah. how do you feel yourself- 8 00 " g yeah. how do you feel yourself or on eenew— how do you feel yourself or on eenen er— how do you feel yourself or on behalf of the— how do you feel yourself or on behalf of the british titanic seererw— behalf of the british titanic society, really— behalf of the british titanic society, really about people going—

society, really about people going en— society, really about people going on these— society, really about people going on these kind of expeditions— going on these kind of expeditions ? really, i suppose expeditions? really, i suppose rnere— expeditions? really, i suppose rnere re— expeditions? really, i suppose rnere n e— expeditions? really, i suppose there is a school— expeditions? really, i suppose there is a school of thought rner— there is a school of thought rner sewe— there is a school of thought that says this— there is a school of thought that says this is— there is a school of thought that says this is fascinating ene— that says this is fascinating and enewe— that says this is fascinating and should be— that says this is fascinating and should be done. and it's etee— and should be done. and it's etee greet— and should be done. and it's etee greet tn— and should be done. and it's also great in a— and should be done. and it's also great in a kind of exeteretew— also great in a kind of exploratory sense because we ten-t— exploratory sense because we ten-t knew— exploratory sense because we ten-t tnew e— exploratory sense because we don't know a huge amount about the don't know a huge amount about tne teeteri— don't know a huge amount about the seabed, for— don't know a huge amount about the seabed, for example. and any more information— the seabed, for example. and any more information could be great. however, there— more information could be great. however, there is— more information could be great. however, there is maybe another eeneet—ee— however, there is maybe another school—as-thatl school of thought as well that sewe— school of thought as well that tewe-tttente— school of thought as well that says-titanic is— school of thought as well that says-titanic is ,- school of thought as well that says titanic is , you know, a says the titanic is, you know, a ntetene— says the titanic is, you know, a historic graveyard— says the titanic is, you know, a historic graveyard ,— says the titanic is, you know, a historic graveyard , really, and historic graveyard, really, and newne— historic graveyard, really, and newte rt— historic graveyard, really, and maybe it should— historic graveyard, really, and maybe it should be left alone . maybe it should be left alone. wnet— maybe it should be left alone. wnet te— maybe it should be left alone. wnet te wen— maybe it should be left alone. what do you think ? er2;e«r what do you think? i absolutely understand both points of view. in fact, as a society , we don't in fact, as a society, we don't have a single viewpoint on these particular missions . we as a particular missions. we as a society have members who are in fact, descendants of both survivors and those who unfortunately lost their lives back in april 1912. and as a result, we listen— back in april 1912. and as a result, we listen to- back in april 1912. and as a result, we listen to all- t " ' e i�* and as a result, we listen to all of tnetr— result, we listen to all of their perspectives , as some their perspectives, as some reente— their perspectives, as some eeeete te— their perspectives, as some people do believe, this is a mass grave site— people do believe, this is a mass grave site therefore mass grave site and therefore tney— mass grave site and therefore tnew wren— mass grave site and therefore they wish that— mass grave site and therefore they wish that their relatives grewee— they wish that their relatives grewee ent — they wish that their relatives graves and bodies and souls were left graves and bodies and souls were tett te— graves and bodies and souls were tett te tew— graves and bodies and souls were tett te tew et— graves and bodies and souls were left to lay at rest— graves and bodies and souls were left to lay at rest and in peace yet left to lay at rest and in peace wet egetn. — left to lay at rest and in peace wet egetn. wre— left to lay at rest and in peace

yet again. we have- left to lay at rest and in peace yet again. we have other perspectives , lives whereby perspectives, lives whereby people are frustrated and that those on board this particular mission on the titan are being labelled as tourists. many believe they are scientists. they're going down to explore the sea to find the depths of the sea to find out about titanic out more about the titanic wreckage . and naturally, there's wreckage. and naturally, there's a worldwide fascination with the titanic. whether that's because the story was introduced to you as part of the british national curriculum at school, or maybe you do have a personal link with the titanic in your in your own family. there's huge interest in this. and wouldn't want to this. and i wouldn't want to criticise any individual for making go down making a decision to go down there because we know people all around the world who go on great expeditions runs, whether that's climbing mount everest or visiting the valley of the kings, which is essentially another grave site. we another mass grave site. so we must respect all people's perspectives. but naturally everybody, no matter what their stance on visiting the wreckage , is united in their grief in relation to what has potentially happened here with titan and the exact nature of this search and

rescue operation epitomises why the titanic? i think , maybe the titanic? i think, maybe eeetwet— the titanic? i think, maybe captured people's- r?" rt?’ i think, maybe captured people's imaginations and captured people's imaginations ent tne— captured people's imaginations ent tne ne— captured people's imaginations and the news agenda, etcetera, teeenee— and the news agenda, etcetera, because as well— and the news agenda, etcetera, because as well of— and the news agenda, etcetera, because as well of how remote tne— because as well of how remote tnte etee— because as well of how remote tnte te— because as well of how remote this area is. we've— because as well of how remote this area is. we've seen that a trenen— this area is. we've seen that a tent teen— this area is. we've seen that a french deep sea— this area is. we've seen that a french deep sea robot victor, eooo— french deep sea robot victor, eooo tnet— french deep sea robot victor, 6000 that has— french deep sea robot victor, 6000 that has been deployed , the 6000 that has been deployed, the cenetten— 6000 that has been deployed, the canadian vessel— 6000 that has been deployed, the canadian vessel horizon arctic , canadian vessel horizon arctic, nee— canadian vessel horizon arctic, nee etee— canadian vessel horizon arctic, nee etee teen— canadian vessel horizon arctic, has also been deployed with its tov. — has also been deployed with its tov. tnet— has also been deployed with its own rov. that was— has also been deployed with its own rov. that was apparently, tntereettngtw— own rov. that was apparently, interestingly, on— own rov. that was apparently, interestingly, on the sea floor. were— interestingly, on the sea floor. were tnet— interestingly, on the sea floor. we're just getting more information— we're just getting more information here now, so we'll newe— information here now, so we'll newe te— information here now, so we'll newe te wett— information here now, so we'll have to wait and— information here now, so we'll have to wait and see what neeeene— have to wait and see what happens there. _ have to wait and see what happens there. and the fact that newng— happens there. and the fact that newng te— happens there. and the fact that we're having to try— happens there. and the fact that we're having to try to fly so nenw— we're having to try to fly so many international resources in the many international resources in tne tengtn— many international resources in tne tengtn et— many international resources in the length of time it's taken to get tntnge— the length of time it's taken to get things there _ the length of time it's taken to get things there just shows reettw— get things there just shows reettw new— get things there just shows really how remote and how if tntnge— really how remote and how if tntnge ge— really how remote and how if tntnge ge wreng— really how remote and how if things go wrong, dangerous is the things go wrong, dangerous is tne etee— things go wrong, dangerous is the area where— things go wrong, dangerous is the area where the titanic is , the area where the titanic is, is absolutely,— the area where the titanic is, is absolutely, as— the area where the titanic is, is absolutely, as we know , is absolutely, as we know, teennetegw— is absolutely, as we know, technology has- is absolutely, as we know, technology has improved since the technology has improved since tne tttente— technology has improved since the titanic sunk.— technology has improved since the titanic sunk. _ technology has improved since the titanic sunk. e 3:5 the titanic sunk. but it took 73 years to find the wreckage itself and the consequently exploring the sea at those depths is never going to be

easy. i'm sure we've had lots over the last few days that the pressure at the exterior of the titan down at those depths of 3800m would have been about 3.5 tonnes per per cubic inch. so the pressure at those levels is incredible . sunlight doesn't incredible. sunlight doesn't penetrate any further than 1000 metre deep. so the conditions which the rescue operation are having to work with in an area of double the size of the state of double the size of the state of connecticut is obviously a vast challenge . farage okay . vast challenge. farage okay. all right. well, look, all right. well, lookj martin, all right. well, look, martin, tnent— all right. well, look, martin, tnent wen— all right. well, look, martin, tnent wen verve— all right. well, look, martin, thank you very, very much. is nentn— thank you very, very much. is martin blasewitz_ thank you very, very much. is martin blasewitz there, who's the spokesperson for the british tttente— the spokesperson for the british titanic society _ the spokesperson for the british titanic society ?_ the spokesperson for the british titanic society ? and can i just titanic society? and can i just est.— titanic society? and can i just eet. nerttn— titanic society? and can i just ask. martin sorry,— titanic society? and can i just ask. martin sorry, before i let you— ask. martin sorry, before i let wen get— ask. martin sorry, before i let you get going— ask. martin sorry, before i let you get going, there was eenetntng— you get going, there was something that i think you said to something that i think you said te-tnengn— something that i think you said te-tnengn tree— something that i think you said to though, was right, to me, though, was that right, etent—et- to me, though, was that right,- about—of-british about the members of the british tttente— about the members of the british titanic society _ about the members of the british titanic society being relatives, teeeentente— titanic society being relatives, descendants of— titanic society being relatives, descendants of people who enrwwet — descendants of people who survived and— descendants of people who survived and sadly didn't eenne— survived and sadly didn't survive during- survived and sadly didn't survive during the initial tteeetere— survive during the initial disaster? i— survive during the initial disaster? i suppose you could eett— disaster? i suppose you could eett tt. — disaster? i suppose you could eett t. we— disaster? i suppose you could call it. we have— disaster? i suppose you could call it. ash; disaster? i suppose you could call it. we have members from all around the world and some

are some of our members, not all of them, but some of them are descendants of people who are on board the titanic . and early board the titanic. and early this year, our annual convention, southampton, i met with direct relatives of those people who unfortunately were on board. so again, their perspective will always be different to those who are maybe only connecting with the titanic through their love of the james cameron learning about cameron film or learning about it now exactly. and it at school. now exactly. and i do it at school. now exactly. and i te ente— it at school. now exactly. and i do wonder whether— it at school. now exactly. and i do wonder whether or- e t \rr2rr.r' exactly. and i do wonder whether or not as well eertetn— do wonder whether or not as well certain members— do wonder whether or not as well certain members of— do wonder whether or not as well certain members of the british tttente— certain members of the british titanic society— certain members of the british titanic society will now, you knew.— titanic society will now, you knew tee — titanic society will now, you know, be uniquely placed to feel teeeeretetw. — know, be uniquely placed to feel desperately. now— know, be uniquely placed to feel desperately. now desperately, as that desperately. now desperately, as tnet treettng— desperately. now desperately, as that breaking news emerged , that that breaking news emerged, that eenne— that breaking news emerged, that tetrte nee— that breaking news emerged, that debris has been— that breaking news emerged, that debris has been found. we are ewetttng— debris has been found. we are awaiting confirmation as to wnetner— awaiting confirmation as to wnetner er— awaiting confirmation as to whether or-this- awaiting confirmation as to whether or this titan . whether or not this is titan. ant— whether or not this is titan. ant wett— whether or not this is titan. and we'll have— whether or not this is titan. and we'll have wait and see and we'll have to wait and see on and we'll have to wait and see en—tteettl on that. but the word itself teeen-t— on that. but the word itself doesn't make— on that. but the word itself doesn't make it— on that. but the word itself doesn't make it seem particularly- doesn't make it seem particularly good. but whether or particularly good. but whether er net— particularly good. but whether or not members— particularly good. but whether or not members of the british tttente—te- or not members of the british. titanic—be uniquely titanic society will be uniquely eteeet—tnetr- placed to really send their neerte— hearts out really to the retetwee— hearts out really to the relatives-the - hearts out really to the relatives the people who were relatives of the people who were on relatives of the people who were en teert — relatives of the people who were on board titan.— relatives of the people who were on board titan. know, hamish on board titan. you know, hamish nerttng—tnen.- on board titan. you know, hamish harding—them. pauli harding being one of them. paul nenw— harding being one of them. paul nenw weget.— harding being one of them. paul nenw weget. wen— harding being one of them. paul henry nagel, you know, mr tttente— henry nagel, you know, mr tttente .— henry nagel, you know, mr tttente . ee— henry nagel, you know, mr titanic , as he— henry nagel, you know, mr titanic , as he was known, titanic, as he was known, steetten— titanic, as he was known, stockton ross,- titanic, as he was known, stockton ross, the ceo of

oeeengete. — stockton ross, the ceo of oceangate. _ofl stockton ross, the ceo of- oceangate. _of course, oceangate. and then, of course, as oceangate. and then, of course, ee—get— oceangate. and then, of course, ee—get tne- oceangate. and then, of course, ee—get tne twe- as well, we've got the two neweet-e — as well, we've got the two dawood's, the _ as well, we've got the two dawood's, the father and the tne — dawood's, the father and the tne een— dawood's, the father and the son, the son, just— dawood's, the father and the son, the son, just 99 student at stretnetwte— son, the son, just 99 student at strathclyde university as well . strathclyde university as well. ant— strathclyde university as well. ant r— strathclyde university as well. ant r tnet— strathclyde university as well. and i just wondered maybe if tnere— and i just wondered maybe if tnere te— and i just wondered maybe if tnere te e— and i just wondered maybe if there is a bit— and i just wondered maybe if there is a bit of— and i just wondered maybe if there is a bit of a— and i just wondered maybe if there is a bit of a message from there is a bit of a message from tne entren— there is a bit of a message from the british titanic— there is a bit of a message from the british titanic society for the british titanic society for the relatives— the british titanic society for the relatives of— the british titanic society for the relatives of the people who were on potentially are on titan . ateetetetw— were on potentially are on titan . absolutely. for— were on potentially are on titan . absolutely. for the- were on potentially are on titan . absolutely. for the for- were on potentially are on titan . absolutely. for the for the last few days since the news broke, we've obviously extended our prayers to the our thoughts and prayers to the people on board titan. but also their friends and family as well. we can't even begin to imagine the grief and worry and anxiety they're experiencing , anxiety they're experiencing, but we can assure them that we are united in that and whatever the outcome of this search and rescue operation, we will always remember the legacy of this expedition. martin thank you. martin tweeting him there, eeeteeeereen— martin tweeting him there, spokesperson for the british tttente— spokesperson for the british titanic society _ spokesperson for the british titanic society .— spokesperson for the british titanic society . really poignant titanic society. really poignant etntt. — titanic society. really poignant etntt. rent— titanic society. really poignant stuff. paul hawkins is still wttn— stuff. paul hawkins is still wttn-tn— stuff. paul hawkins is still with-in-studio- with me in the studio on nettenet— with me in the studio on national reporter. so just this big national reporter. so just this ttg treettng— national reporter. so just this big breaking news. if are big breaking news. if you are retntng— big breaking news. if you are retntng-us- big breaking news. if you are joining us coastguard joining us. the us coastguard

says— joining us. the us coastguard tewe—nee- joining us. the us coastguard tewe—nee teen- joining us. the us coastguard. says—has been found, says that debris has been found, a says that debris has been found, e-ttett— says that debris has been found, e-ttett nee— says that debris has been found, a-field has been- says that debris has been found, a field has been found a debris field has been found tnetr— a debris field has been found near their search— a debris field has been found near their search area, within tnetr— near their search area, within tnetr eeeren— near their search area, within their search area— near their search area, within their search area . paul, what is their search area. paul, what is tne— their search area. paul, what is tne teteet— their search area. paul, what is the latest, please? “25?" their search area. paul, what is the latest, please? / the latest, please? yeah, so wet.— the latest, please? yeah, so wet. tnet— the latest, please? yeah, so well, that is the latest. really. for really. we're waiting now for that conference, which is that press conference, which is due at 3 pm. eastern standard time. as usual, as has been the case every evening this week in boston. that's 8 pm. our time. we will be hearing from the us coastguard and hopefully the big question is what have they found ? and one would have thought they're going to try and retrieve some of that debris, bnng retrieve some of that debris, bring to surface using bring it to the surface using one rovs, and then one of the rovs, and then they'll be to get a look at they'll be able to get a look at it hand. i was just going it first hand. i was just going to and. but to mention as well. and. but you've already, patrick, you've done it already, patrick, that are with you've done it already, patrick, thatfamily are with you've done it already, patrick, thatfamily and are with you've done it already, patrick, thatfamily and friendse with you've done it already, patrick, thatfamily and friends of/ith you've done it already, patrick, thatfamily and friends of those the family and friends of those five men right now. and you just cannot imagine what they are going through. and we were talking relative as well, talking about relative as well, relatives those. i mean, it relatives of those. i mean, it has emerged that the wife of stockton rush, the chief executive of oceangate, who was on the titan , wendi rush, is the

on the titan, wendi rush, is the great, great granddaughter of two people who died on the titanic. isidor straus and his wife ida . so that's just wife ida. so that's just something to bear in mind. and we can only think we can only imagine what those families are going through right now as they wait for confirmation from the coastguard who i imagine will be telling them first before. certainly one would hope so before the rest the before they tell the rest of the world found. it may world what they found. it may not what it is. it doesn't not be what it is. it doesn't sound ominous. sound good. it sounds ominous. but confirmation but we wait for confirmation from coastguard this from the coastguard later this evening and just three evening and just under three hours time. absolutely . we i've hours time. absolutely. we i've got hours time. absolutely. we i've get—nee— hours time. absolutely. we i've get—nere tren - hours time. absolutely. we i've got—here from timi got a statement here from tim nentten— got a statement here from tim aaentten .— got a statement here from tim aaentten . wne— got a statement here from tim moulton , who is— got a statement here from tim moulton , who is a— got a statement here from tim moulton , who is a titanic expert moulton, who is a titanic expert . ent— moulton, who is a titanic expert . ent ne— moulton, who is a titanic expert . ent ne nee— moulton, who is a titanic expert , and he has said— moulton, who is a titanic expert , and he has said if it is tetne— , and he has said if it is debris from _ , and he has said if it is debris from the titan sub , then debris from the titan sub, then it debris from the titan sub, then tt eennte— debris from the titan sub, then it sounds like— debris from the titan sub, then it sounds like the— debris from the titan sub, then it sounds like the sub could newe— it sounds like the sub could have imploded_ it sounds like the sub could have imploded at or near the anne— have imploded at or near the titanic wreck— have imploded at or near the titanic wreck due _ have imploded at or near the titanic wreck due to extreme weter— titanic wreck due to extreme weter ereeewe— titanic wreck due to extreme water pressure at— titanic wreck due to extreme water pressure at that depth. so tnet— water pressure at that depth. so tnet te— water pressure at that depth. so tnet te e— water pressure at that depth. so that is a titanic— water pressure at that depth. so that is a titanic expert , tim that is a titanic expert, tim netten— that is a titanic expert, tim moulton, who— that is a titanic expert, tim moulton, who said that if it is tetrte— moulton, who said that if it is tetrte tren — moulton, who said that if it is debris from the— moulton, who said that if it is debris from the titan's sub , debris from the titan's sub, tnen— debris from the titan's sub, tnen tt— debris from the titan's sub, then it sounds— debris from the titan's sub, then it sounds like the sub eentt— then it sounds like the sub eentt newe— then it sounds like the sub could have imploded at or near to could have imploded at or near

te tne— could have imploded at or near to the titanic— could have imploded at or near to the titanic wreck due to etee — to the titanic wreck due to extreme water— to the titanic wreck due to extreme water pressure at that teetn— extreme water pressure at that teetn tnet— extreme water pressure at that depth that would— extreme water pressure at that depth that would echo actually the statements— depth that would echo actually the statements made by an expert on the statements made by an expert en tnte— the statements made by an expert en tnte enew— the statements made by an expert en tnte enew e— the statements made by an expert on this show a few— the statements made by an expert on this show a few days ago who eernet— on this show a few days ago who eernet te— on this show a few days ago who seemed to indicate— on this show a few days ago who seemed to indicate that because it seemed to indicate that because tt te— seemed to indicate that because tt te ee— seemed to indicate that because tt te ee teer— seemed to indicate that because it is so deep down— seemed to indicate that because it is so deep down and it is so nnen— it is so deep down and it is so nnen ereeewe— it is so deep down and it is so much pressure, that unbelievably ereeewteet— much pressure, that unbelievably pressurised environment, that if tnere— pressurised environment, that if tnere ee— pressurised environment, that if tnere eny— pressurised environment, that if there are any flaws whatsoever wttn — there are any flaws whatsoever wttn tne — there are any flaws whatsoever with the vessel,— there are any flaws whatsoever with the vessel, then it can it can essentially— with the vessel, then it can it can essentially implode. that etee— can essentially implode. that etee ntgnt— can essentially implode. that also might explain why it's teten— also might explain why it's teten e— also might explain why it's taken a while— also might explain why it's taken a while to actually rise to taken a while to actually rise te tne— taken a while to actually rise to the surface— taken a while to actually rise to the surface . _ taken a while to actually rise to the surface . ' r: to the surface. and interestingly, stockton rush, the ceo of oceangate, he's . in the ceo of oceangate, he's. in the ceo of oceangate, he's. in the past, he's done a number of interviews talking about these eight day expeditions to the wreck of the titanic. he was asked by one podcast what worried him most about the depths of the ocean, and he said, what i worry about most are things that will stop me from get to the from being able to get to the surface or overhangs nets , surface or overhangs fish nets, entanglement hazard. he said he wasn't bothered about wasn't really bothered about things not things like thrusters not working the lights failing working or the lights failing because you can still

because as long as you can still get back to the surface, you'd be okay, he said. i think be okay, he said. i don't think when about the when he's talking about the safety i don't safety of the missions, i don't think if think it's very dangerous. if you look at submersible activity over three decades, over the last three decades, there been a major there hasn't even been a major injury, let alone a fatality . injury, let alone a fatality. what is not once , what worries us is not once, it's not when you're under the water. what worries me is about getting there when you're on the ship in icy states with big doors that can crush your hands and not have had and people who may not have had the down the best balance, who fall down and heads. so it does and bang their heads. so it does seem what him most seem that what worried him most was in terms of when the titan gets to the bottom of the ocean is getting entangled in the wreckage and being unable to make its way back to the surface. but that that expert there sort of speculating that it could be potential a problem with the strength of the hull, the integrity of the hull. this is it. we don't know. we don't know yet. and that's why we'll all to our sets at all be glued to our sets at 8:00. absolutely. well look, 8:oo. absolutely. well look, tnet— 8:oo. absolutely. well look, tnet te— 8:oo. absolutely. well look, rnet te recap— 8:oo. absolutely. well look, just to recap this— 3 00 absolutely. well look, just to recap this broke just tetere— just to recap this broke just before 5:00pm. _ just to recap this broke just before 5:00pm. it was a tweet tren— before 5:00pm. it was a tweet tren tne— before 5:00pm. it was a tweet tren tne us— before 5:00pm. it was a tweet from the us coastguard and it

eett— from the us coastguard and it eett tnte— from the us coastguard and it eett the re— from the us coastguard and it said this is a— from the us coastguard and it said this is a debris field was tteeeweret— said this is a debris field was discovered within the search tw— discovered within the search tw en— discovered within the search area by an rov— discovered within the search area by an rov near the titanic. tweete— area by an rov near the titanic. treene wttntn— area by an rov near the titanic. experts within the _ area by an rov near the titanic. experts within the unified eernrnent— experts within the unified command are— experts within the unified command are evaluating the tnternetten— command are evaluating the information .— command are evaluating the information . the us coastguard information. the us coastguard wtt— information. the us coastguard wttt nett— information. the us coastguard will hold that— information. the us coastguard will hold that news conference at will hold that news conference et etee— will hold that news conference et etee pm- — will hold that news conference et etee pm- un— will hold that news conference at 8:00 pm. uk time. i am joined tw— at 8:00 pm. uk time. i am joined tw ante— at 8:00 pm. uk time. i am joined now by mike whelan, who is a marine operations— now by mike whelan, who is a marine operations specialist eeet.— marine operations specialist teet. tnent— marine operations specialist east. thank you— marine operations specialist east. thank you very much . based east. thank you very much. based on east. thank you very much. based en wnet— east. thank you very much. based en wnet ttttte— east. thank you very much. based on what little information we newe— on what little information we newe tnet— on what little information we have just been— on what little information we have just been provided with wnet— have just been provided with now, what are— have just been provided with now, what are your thoughts as wette — now, what are your thoughts as well? essentially— now, what are your thoughts as well? essentially ,— now, what are your thoughts as well? essentially , we- now, what are your thoughts as well? r:r2.r" e now, what are your thoughts as well? r:r2r" e well? essentially, we don't have any information . they found any information. they found eenetntng— any information. they found eenetntng en— any information. they found something on the— ray " they found something on the seabed ray 2" they found something on the seabed there 23 2“ they found something on the seabed there , something on the seabed there, ereenntng— something on the seabed there, ereenntng tnet— something on the seabed there, presuming that it's not not part of presuming that it's not not part et tne— presuming that it's not not part of the titanic— presuming that it's not not part of the titanic debris that's tewn— of the titanic debris that's tewn tnere — of the titanic debris that's down there and- of the titanic debris that's down there and located it . "25 down there and located it. they ante.— down there and located it. they ante. eenw— down there and located it. they ante. eenw te— down there and located it. they mike, sorry to interrupt you immediately, but i just want to i just want to clarify something, because will something, because you you will know much better than me about this. so you as you understand it, what they have found is on the seabed , not on the surface . the seabed, not on the surface. i've got no idea. i know as much

etent— i've got no idea. i know as much etent tnte. — i've got no idea. i know as much about this. it's— i've got no idea. i know as much about this. it's just— i've got no idea. i know as much about this. it's just been- about this. it's just been tentet— about this. it's just been tentet en— about this. it's just been landed on me- about this. it's just been landed on me and my phone has teen— landed on me and my phone has teen getng— landed on me and my phone has been going berserk. e. been going berserk. okay, um, ent— been going berserk. okay, um, ent tn— been going berserk. okay, um, and i'm now talking to you. all i know there is debris, and- i know there is debris, and it eernet— i know there is debris, and it eernet te— i know there is debris, and it seemed to be— i know there is debris, and it seemed to be linked in to the reev— seemed to be linked in to the rev . — seemed to be linked in to the rev. se— seemed to be linked in to the rov . so that's— seemed to be linked in to the rov . what seemed to be linked in to the rov. what i'm rov. so that's what. what i'm eeenntng— rov. so that's what. what i'm eeenntng tnet— rov. so that's what. what i'm assuming that they— rov. what i'm assuming that they found eenetntng— assuming that they found something on— assuming that they found something on the seabed close to the something on the seabed close to tne tttente— something on the seabed close to tne tttente . — something on the seabed close to the titanic . right.— something on the seabed close to the titanic . 3g“ �*ft2ee the titanic. right. okay well, that would make a lot of sense. obviously, i'm sure all of our viewers and listeners will appreciate that. this is very much paced , rolling news much a fast paced, rolling news story. we'll keep you up to story. so we'll keep you up to date as any information comes that way. but let's just assume that way. but let's just assume that the case at that that that is the case at the minute. mike, why not? and that might imply then, as one expert was saying, that there had been of inaya had been some kind of inaya plosion, maybe due to pressure . plosion, maybe due to pressure. yeah. oh, definitely . it wasn't yeah. oh, definitely. it wasn't carrying anything. - yeah. oh, definitely. it wasn't carrying anything. i- yeah. oh, definitely. it wasn't carrying anything. i think that tnet— carrying anything. i think that that we know of that would cause it to explode anyway, the

pressure is, is tremendous down there. you know it's, it's unbelievable— there. you know it's, it's unbelievable .- ”r“r22; you know it's, it's unbelievable . and it could have unbelievable. and it could have enenet— unbelievable. and it could have enenet tn— unbelievable. and it could have enenet tn tne— unbelievable. and it could have pushed in the port out to start wttn— pushed in the port out to start with because— pushed in the port out to start with because that's if you want a weakness on— with because that's if you want a weakness on a— with because that's if you want a weakness on a on a mini sub tnt— a weakness on a on a mini sub tut tnen— a weakness on a on a mini sub tut tnen tt— a weakness on a on a mini sub but then it will— a weakness on a on a mini sub but then it will have squashed it but then it will have squashed tt ent— but then it will have squashed tt ent tne— but then it will have squashed it and the sort— but then it will have squashed it and the sort of— but then it will have squashed it and the sort of pressure it eentt— it and the sort of pressure it eentt te— it and the sort of pressure it eentt te. tt— it and the sort of pressure it could do, it could have squashed it could do, it could have squashed tt ttet. — could do, it could have squashed tt ttet. eeet.— could do, it could have squashed it flat. gosh. okay— could do, it could have squashed it flat. e so, you it flat. gosh. okay so, you knew.— it flat. gosh. okay so, you knew. ee— it flat. gosh. okay so, you know, so that's— it flat. gosh. okay so, you know, so that's what- it flat. e so, you know, so that's what i mean. we ten-t— know, so that's what i mean. we ten-t knew— know, so that's what i mean. we ten-t tnew et— know, so that's what i mean. we don't know at the— know, so that's what i mean. we don't know at the moment. once tney— don't know at the moment. once tnew get— don't know at the moment. once tnew get teetege— don't know at the moment. once they get footage coming in which tney— they get footage coming in which tnew wtt— they get footage coming in which tnew wttt newe— they get footage coming in which they will have i— they get footage coming in which they will have i mean, if the reev— they will have i mean, if the rev te— they will have i mean, if the rev te tewn— they will have i mean, if the rov is down there, it will have it rov is down there, it will have t wtt— rov is down there, it will have t wttt tete— rov is down there, it will have it will take video— rov is down there, it will have it will take video footage of it . tnew-tt— it will take video footage of it . tnew-tt get— it will take video footage of it . tnew-tt get ee— it will take video footage of it . they'll get as much identification of it to make confirmation.— identification of it to make confirmation. so nobody that's out confirmation. so nobody that's ent tnere— confirmation. so nobody that's ent tnere er— confirmation. so nobody that's out there or the— confirmation. so nobody that's out there or the us coastguard is out there or the us coastguard te getng— out there or the us coastguard te getng te— out there or the us coastguard te getng te eey— out there or the us coastguard is going to say anything until tney— is going to say anything until tnew newe— is going to say anything until they have absolute evidence of wnet— they have absolute evidence of wnet tnew-we— they have absolute evidence of what they've discovered. yeah, i . et— what they've discovered. yeah, i . et tne— what they've discovered. yeah, i mean , at the same— what they've discovered. yeah, i mean , at the same time, we were mean, at the same time, we were at.— mean, at the same time, we were ett. te— mean, at the same time, we were ett. te te— mean, at the same time, we were ett. te te tett.— mean, at the same time, we were all, to be fair, none— mean, at the same time, we were all, to be fair, none the wiser

etent— all, to be fair, none the wiser etent tnte— all, to be fair, none the wiser about this until— all, to be fair, none the wiser about this until the us coastguard— about this until the us coastguard have of their own wetttten— coastguard have of their own volition decided— coastguard have of their own volition decided to tweet eenetntng — volition decided to tweet something out which clearly does eennt— something out which clearly does eennt pretty— something out which clearly does sound pretty ominous in terms of this sound pretty ominous in terms of tie tetne— sound pretty ominous in terms of this debris field. _ sound pretty ominous in terms of this debris field. /2. ri2"r2; this debris field. you were tetttng— this debris field. you were talking about the rov there as well . what expert was saying well. what expert was saying that apparently it's like walking around a really dark ballroom with a flashlight . but ballroom with a flashlight. but this rov , so it will have video this rov, so it will have video cameras on it. it does have video cameras on it. and so potentially then they've already had quite a good look at what they've discovered here. and well, reading between the lines they have, then gone to the trouble of tweeting that they have found a field and have found a debris field and that are holding press that they are holding a press conference so it's conference at 8:00 pm. so it's not necessarily looking great. yeah well, the rov itself, it will have banks of lights on there. it will have a manipulator- ”r“r22; it will have a manipulator at least one that te— manipulator at least one that can be controlled from inside, tren— can be controlled from inside, tren tne— can be controlled from inside, from the surface— can be controlled from inside, from the surface .— can be controlled from inside, from the surface . and yeah, it's from the surface. and yeah, it's got from the surface. and yeah, it's get tne— from the surface. and yeah, it's get tne ttgtte— from the surface. and yeah, it's got the lights, it's— from the surface. and yeah, it's got the lights, it's got the cameras as well. and they'll newe— cameras as well. and they'll newe e— cameras as well. and they'll have a variety— cameras as well. and they'll have a variety of— cameras as well. and they'll have a variety of different

cameras that— have a variety of different cameras that they can use and tney— cameras that they can use and tnew wtt— cameras that they can use and they will actually— cameras that they can use and they will actually then video it ent— they will actually then video it ent tnet— they will actually then video it and that will— they will actually then video it and that will be _ they will actually then video it and that will be transmitted up to and that will be transmitted up te tne— and that will be transmitted up te tne eneeert— and that will be transmitted up to the support ship and then tney— to the support ship and then tnew een— to the support ship and then tnew eeee— to the support ship and then they can pass that on then to tne— they can pass that on then to tne eeereenete— they can pass that on then to the appropriate authorities who will the appropriate authorities who wttt teet— the appropriate authorities who wttt teet et— the appropriate authorities who will look at it— the appropriate authorities who will look at it and then start nettng— will look at it and then start making decisions . '“r: will look at it and then start making decisions . ' 2 making decisions. and this is the first all around the wreck of the titanic, as we understand it. and a lot of people will be thinking, well, how has it taken maybe this long, but i suppose that was predominantly because it took these craft quite a long time to get there. initially was it really? and also the titanic itself famously is rather large . yeah itself famously is rather large .yeah i itself famously is rather large . yeah i mean, i think it was tnte— . yeah i mean, i think it was the nerntng— . yeah i mean, i think it was this morning that— / i mean, i think it was this morning that we logged in tnet— this morning that we logged in tnet. wen— this morning that we logged in tnet. wen knew.— this morning that we logged in that, you know, the first rov, tne— that, you know, the first rov, tne trenen— that, you know, the first rov, the french one,— that, you know, the first rov, the french one, the big one, had got the french one, the big one, had get tewn— the french one, the big one, had got down there. _ the french one, the big one, had got down there. they had to ertentete— got down there. they had to orientate themselves. “r2yr orientate themselves. they have to tney— orientate themselves. they have to they have to actually find the titanic themselves . and then the titanic themselves. and then once they're there,—

the titanic themselves. and then once they're there, they- 2“ rt. and then once they're there, they can get tnetr— once they're there, they can get tnetr teertnge— once they're there, they can get their bearings and— once they're there, they can get their bearings and then they can tnen— their bearings and then they can tnen newe— their bearings and then they can tnen tne— their bearings and then they can then move the rov , the ship then move the rov, the ship tteett— then move the rov, the ship tteett wtt— then move the rov, the ship itself will likely— then move the rov, the ship itself will likely move with it, teeenee— itself will likely move with it, teeenee tt— itself will likely move with it, because if you _ itself will likely move with it, because if you can imagine, it's etreetw— because if you can imagine, it's etreetw get— because if you can imagine, it's etreetw get en— because if you can imagine, it's already got an umbilical out to get tt— already got an umbilical out to get tt te— already got an umbilical out to get tt te tne— already got an umbilical out to get it to the seabed. so they went— get it to the seabed. so they went went— get it to the seabed. so they won't want to _ get it to the seabed. so they won't want to put a lot more nntttteet— won't want to put a lot more umbilical down. _ won't want to put a lot more umbilical down. they'll try and tne— umbilical down. they'll try and tne ente— umbilical down. they'll try and move the ship as— umbilical down. they'll try and move the ship as well, umbilical down. they'll try and move the ship as well , because move the ship as well, because you— move the ship as well, because wen anew.— move the ship as well, because wen tnew. enee— move the ship as well, because you know, once you've got a lot of you know, once you've got a lot et nntttteet— you know, once you've got a lot of umbilical ,— you know, once you've got a lot of umbilical , it— you know, once you've got a lot of umbilical , it can— you know, once you've got a lot of umbilical , it can get fouled of umbilical, it can get fouled on of umbilical, it can get fouled en tne— of umbilical, it can get fouled en tne etner— of umbilical, it can get fouled on the other debris from the tttente— on the other debris from the titanic itself— on the other debris from the titanic itself .— on the other debris from the titanic itself . so— on the other debris from the titanic itself . so it's a very titanic itself. so it's a very teetege— titanic itself. so it's a very cautious and— titanic itself. so it's a very cautious and careful operation . cautious and careful operation. tnew-re— cautious and careful operation. tnew-re net— cautious and careful operation. were net getng— cautious and careful operation. they're not going to rush for tnet— they're not going to rush for tnet .— they're not going to rush for tnet . tnew-tt— they're not going to rush for that . they'll you— they're not going to rush for that . they'll you know, they'll that. they'll you know, they'll do that. they'll you know, they'll te tt— that. they'll you know, they'll te tt tn— that. they'll you know, they'll do it in controlled— that. they'll you know, they'll do it in controlled in a controlled— do it in controlled in a controlled manner and get once tnew— controlled manner and get once tnew reent— controlled manner and get once tnew tennt tne— controlled manner and get once they found the debris there , i they found the debris there, i went— they found the debris there, i wentt enggeet— they found the debris there, i would suggest the fact that the ceeetgnert — would suggest the fact that the coastguard has— would suggest the fact that the coastguard has actually made nentten— coastguard has actually made nentten et— coastguard has actually made mention of it— coastguard has actually made mention of it would indicate tnet— mention of it would indicate tnet tne— mention of it would indicate that the what— mention of it would indicate that the what they found and the tntttet— that the what they found and the tntttet reeerte— that the what they found and the initial reports are— that the what they found and the initial reports are that it treet— initial reports are that it fresh debris— initial reports are that it fresh debris .- initial reports are that it fresh debris . you know, it's not fresh debris. you know, it's not part—

fresh debris. you know, it's not pert et— fresh debris. you know, it's not pert et tne— fresh debris. you know, it's not part of the titanic— fresh debris. you know, it's not part of the titanic itself, when— part of the titanic itself, wnten te— part of the titanic itself, which is covered in marine grewtn.— which is covered in marine grewtn. se— which is covered in marine growth. so that's all i can say at growth. so that's all i can say et tne— growth. so that's all i can say at the moment.— growth. so that's all i can say at the moment. really that, you knew.— at the moment. really that, you knew. tnet-e— at the moment. really that, you know, that's what— at the moment. really that, you know, that's what i— at the moment. really that, you know, that's what i would enggeet— know, that's what i would enggeet .— know, that's what i would enggeet . tnet— know, that's what i would suggest , that they found debris. suggest, that they found debris. but suggest, that they found debris. net tnew— suggest, that they found debris. net tnew reettw— suggest, that they found debris. but they really want to confirm it but they really want to confirm tt tetere — but they really want to confirm tt tetere tnew— but they really want to confirm it before they make any any tnrtner— it before they make any any further statement. look i don't anew— further statement. look i don't know whether— further statement. look i don't know whether or— further statement. look i don't know whether or not you've been tnwetwet— know whether or not you've been tnwetwet tn— know whether or not you've been involved in anything quite like tnte— involved in anything quite like tnte. ante. — involved in anything quite like this, mike. it— involved in anything quite like this, mike. it does- involved in anything quite like this, mike. 2 2 e involved in anything quite like this, mike. 2 2 2 this, mike. it does seem like a relative one off. but in your capacity as a marine operations specialist or when you are searching for something and you think you might have found something, what's the normal what's normal protocol that what's the normal protocol that it especially when it goes through, especially when it goes through, especially when it to discussing with with it comes to discussing with with relatives and loved ones and those people who are close to the situation ? well i would the situation? well i would suggest here that the they have they found the debris debris earlier that the coast guard would have been in touch with the family . that would that the family. that would that went— the family. that would that wentt te— the family. that would that would be the— 2g that would that would be the normal protocol .

would be the normal protocol. they— would be the normal protocol. tnew wentt— would be the normal protocol. tnew wentt te— would be the normal protocol. they would be in— would be the normal protocol. they would be in touch with the eeeete— they would be in touch with the tewe-netten— they would be in touch with the people matter. and that is people that matter. and that is the people that matter. and that is tne tenttw. — people that matter. and that is the family. and— people that matter. and that is the family. and any other person of the family. and any other person et tn— the family. and any other person et tn tnet— the family. and any other person et tn tnet eett— the family. and any other person of in that sort of— the family. and any other person of in that sort of link. the family. and any other person of in that sort of link . and of in that sort of link. and tnew— of in that sort of link. and tnew wtt— of in that sort of link. and they will discuss with them what tnew— they will discuss with them what tnew reent— they will discuss with them what tnew tennt .— they will discuss with them what they found . and— they will discuss with them what they found . and then with their they found. and then with their eernteetene— they found. and then with their permissions, then— they found. and then with their permissions, then they will go tnttte— permissions, then they will go enttte te— permissions, then they will go public to make— permissions, then they will go public to make an announcement. but public to make an announcement. net tnt— public to make an announcement. net tut tnew-re— public to make an announcement. but but they're all— public to make an announcement. but but they're all being eenttene— but but they're all being eenttene .— but but they're all being cautious . and- but but they're all being cautious . and i understand cautious. and i understand tnew-re— cautious. and i understand tnew-re tetng— cautious. and i understand they're being cautious . and i they're being cautious. and i egree— they're being cautious. and i egree wttn— they're being cautious. and i egree wttn rt.— they're being cautious. and i agree with it. you know, until we eetnettw— agree with it. you know, until we actually got— agree with it. you know, until we actually got it— agree with it. you know, until we actually got it identified , we actually got it identified, tten— we actually got it identified, tnen. r— we actually got it identified, tnen. r neen— we actually got it identified, then, i mean ,— we actually got it identified, then, i mean , they may well have then, i mean, they may well have ttenttttet— then, i mean, they may well have ttenttttet tt— then, i mean, they may well have ttenttttet tt .— then, i mean, they may well have identified it , but— then, i mean, they may well have identified it , but they're not identified it, but they're not tetttng— identified it, but they're not tetttng ne— identified it, but they're not tetttng ne wet. — identified it, but they're not telling us yet. we don't know . telling us yet. we don't know. teen— telling us yet. we don't know. tent. ante.— telling us yet. we don't know. tent. ante. ee— telling us yet. we don't know. look, mike, as well,— telling us yet. we don't know. look, mike, as well, if- telling us yet. we don't know. look, mike, as well, if as- look, mike, as well, if as indeed the breaking news would suggest that there's a debris field that appears to have been found quite possibly on the ocean floor near the titanic, given that that the chance of survival was relatively small to begin with. and some of the opfions begin with. and some of the options as to what could have happened there could well have been quite slow and long winded.

mike, potentially we don't want to be too morbid about it, but potentially this could be, you know, arguably maybe the best of a series of very, very bad opfions a series of very, very bad options for those who were on board if there was no real chance of them escaping anyway. okay. yeah in a catastrophic erteeten— okay. yeah in a catastrophic situation like _ okay. yeah in a catastrophic situation like that,- / in a catastrophic situation like that, with an tneteeten— situation like that, with an implosion on— situation like that, with an implosion on its instant, you knew.— implosion on its instant, you knew. tnew— implosion on its instant, you know, they will— implosion on its instant, you know, they will virtually have not know, they will virtually have net tnewn— know, they will virtually have not known anything about it. it wtt— not known anything about it. it wttt te— not known anything about it. it wttt te teng— not known anything about it. it will be bang and— not known anything about it. it will be bang and the pressure wtt— will be bang and the pressure will concertina_ will be bang and the pressure will concertina the concertina tne— will concertina the concertina tne ent— will concertina the concertina the sub itself— will concertina the concertina the sub itself .— will concertina the concertina the sub itself . okay i�*i the sub itself. okay look, mike, ttent— the sub itself. okay look, mike, thank you very much. if i could just ask you if that's all right , just to hold on the line for me for a couple of minutes. i know you're a busy man and everyone's trying to hold everyone's trying to get hold of you i don't want everyone's trying to get hold of yo lose i don't want everyone's trying to get hold of yo lose you i don't want everyone's trying to get hold of yo lose you just i don't want everyone's trying to get hold of yo lose you just in i don't want everyone's trying to get hold of yo lose you just in casei't want everyone's trying to get hold of yo lose you just in case we /ant everyone's trying to get hold of yo lose you just in case we get to lose you just in case we get any other other little developments might developments quickly. it might well. and there is a marine operations specialist, paul hawkins, our national reporter, is the studio. just is with me in the studio. just to breaking news to recap this breaking news story that the titanic sub search, search, search, the titans sub search, really, i should say the us coastguard just tweeted to

coastguard has just tweeted to say that they have found a debns say that they have found a debris field. there is going to be a news conference at 8 pm. uk time about this, which is a couple of hours after. and paul , what we're hearing is that an rov has detected this debris field. they will have video on that video will be being processed at the moment . but processed at the moment. but it's not looking great, is it? yeah, and possibly they might try yeah, and possibly they might trw te— yeah, and possibly they might try to, depending on which rov has discovered— try to, depending on which rov has discovered this debris , has discovered this debris, teeenttng— has discovered this debris, teeenttng en— has discovered this debris, depending on it's capability, newne— depending on it's capability, newte tnew— depending on it's capability, maybe they might try to eertetntw— maybe they might try to certainly you— maybe they might try to certainly you would have thought if certainly you would have thought tt tne— certainly you would have thought tt tne nov— certainly you would have thought tt tne tov nee— certainly you would have thought if the rov has the— certainly you would have thought if the rov has the capability, tnen— if the rov has the capability, tnen tnew— if the rov has the capability, then they would— if the rov has the capability, then they would try to actually trtng — then they would try to actually trtng ee— then they would try to actually trtng et— then they would try to actually bring some of the— then they would try to actually bring some of the debris to the ewetee— bring some of the debris to the surface because— bring some of the debris to the surface because they will want to surface because they will want te te. — surface because they will want te te. ee— surface because they will want te te. ee ante— surface because they will want to be, as mike was— surface because they will want to be, as mike was saying, they wtt— to be, as mike was saying, they wttt-te— to be, as mike was saying, they wttt-te te— to be, as mike was saying, they will-to be 100%- to be, as mike was saying, they will to be 100% sure about will want to be 100% sure about wnet— will want to be 100% sure about wnet-tnere— will want to be 100% sure about wnet-tnere .— will want to be 100% sure about what-there . they- will want to be 100% sure about what there . they won't what is on there. they won't tnet— what is on there. they won'ti just—confirmation. just want visual confirmation. t hey— just want visual confirmation.| tnew—eee just want visual confirmation.| trtn —eee just want visual confirmation.| tiin their—see just want visual confirmation. tiin their hands. see just want visual confirmation. tiin their hands. and see just want visual confirmation. tiin their hands. and touch ae just want visual confirmation. tiin their hands. and touch it. it in their hands. and touch it. so it in their hands. and touch it. se tnet— it in their hands. and touch it. se tnet te— it in their hands. and touch it. se rnet te te— it in their hands. and touch it. so just to to just— it in their hands. and touch it. so just to to just repeat what tne— so just to to just repeat what tne us— so just to to just repeat what the us coastguard have tweeted , the us coastguard have tweeted, this the us coastguard have tweeted, the re— the us coastguard have tweeted, tnte te tnetr— the us coastguard have tweeted, this is their exact— the us coastguard have tweeted, this is their exact words. a

tetne— this is their exact words. a debris field— this is their exact words. a debris field was discovered wttntn— debris field was discovered wttntn tne— debris field was discovered within the search area by an rov tne— within the search area by an rov near the titanic— within the search area by an rov near the titanic .— within the search area by an rov near the titanic . experts within near the titanic. experts within the near the titanic. experts within tne tntttet— near the titanic. experts within the unified command are ewetnettng— the unified command are evaluating the information and tnen— evaluating the information and tnen tnew-we— evaluating the information and then they've said— evaluating the information and then they've said that they'll be tnet— then they've said that they'll be tnet ereee— then they've said that they'll be that press briefing at 8 pm. we eteete— be that press briefing at 8 pm. we enentt. tw— be that press briefing at 8 pm. we should, by the— be that press briefing at 8 pm. we should, by the way, say that tnet— we should, by the way, say that tnet tnet— we should, by the way, say that that that search _ we should, by the way, say that that that search field was quite terge— that that search field was quite terge. teen.— that that search field was quite terge. teen. r— that that search field was quite large. yeah, i mean, it could newe— large. yeah, i mean, it could newe-ttttte- large. yeah, i mean, it could| have-little.100m. large. yeah, i mean, it could. have-little.100m. it have been as little as 100m. it was somewhere— have been as little as 100m. it was somewhere from 1 to 2km. it e tetrtw— was somewhere from 1 to 2km. it was a fairly wide— was somewhere from 1 to 2km. it was a fairly wide area. and we knew— was a fairly wide area. and we knew tnet— was a fairly wide area. and we know that the _ was a fairly wide area. and we know that the wreckage of the anne— know that the wreckage of the tttente erte— know that the wreckage of the titanic sits in— know that the wreckage of the titanic sits in two— know that the wreckage of the titanic sits in two parts. it's eteet— titanic sits in two parts. it's etent eee..— titanic sits in two parts. it's about 600m apart with a debris rengntw— about 600m apart with a debris rengntw tn— about 600m apart with a debris rengntw tn twe— about 600m apart with a debris roughly in two chunks and then wttn— roughly in two chunks and then wttn e— roughly in two chunks and then with a debris— roughly in two chunks and then with a debris field around each of with a debris field around each et tten— with a debris field around each et tnen. se— with a debris field around each of them. so it's— with a debris field around each of them. so it's spread over gette— of them. so it's spread over gntte e— of them. so it's spread over gntte e wtte— of them. so it's spread over quite a wide area because teeenee— quite a wide area because teeenee et— quite a wide area because because of course the ocean currents over the _ because of course the ocean currents over the decades have newet— currents over the decades have newet tt— currents over the decades have moved it around— currents over the decades have moved it around .— currents over the decades have moved it around . so it's quite moved it around. so it's quite a wtte— moved it around. so it's quite a wtte etee— moved it around. so it's quite a wtte .— moved it around. so it's quite a wide area . and— moved it around. so it's quite a wide area . and so,— moved it around. so it's quite a wide area . and so, yeah, we will wide area. and so, yeah, we will wett— wide area. and so, yeah, we will wett te— wide area. and so, yeah, we will wett te neer— wide area. and so, yeah, we will wait to hear what— wide area. and so, yeah, we will wait to hear what they say, but it wait to hear what they say, but tt teeen-t— wait to hear what they say, but it doesn't sound— wait to hear what they say, but it doesn't sound good. but let's wnet— it doesn't sound good. but let's wnet tne— it doesn't sound good. but let's see what the us— it doesn't sound good. but let's see what the us coast guard have to see what the us coast guard have te—nere— see what the us coast guard have te—nerelwe-tt.i to say. well, more as we get it, but actually spoke to chris but we actually spoke to chris brown, who is a friend of missing passenger hamish harding. that's that british billionaire who was on board and

this was before the news broke. but he actually cancelled his own trip on the titan over safety concerns. so bear in mind that this chat was supposed to really be on titan. now, here's what he had to say . parts of the what he had to say. parts of the entrnenne— what he had to say. parts of the submarine seen— what he had to say. parts of the submarine seen that— what he had to say. parts of the submarine seen that i'd- “2r2 parts of the submarine seen that i'd seen in the submarine seen that i'd seen in tne teettng— submarine seen that i'd seen in tne teettng tn— submarine seen that i'd seen in the testing in the— submarine seen that i'd seen in the testing in the bahamas just eernet— the testing in the bahamas just eernet e— the testing in the bahamas just eernet e tett— the testing in the bahamas just seemed a bit shoddy. they're getng— seemed a bit shoddy. they're using industrial— seemed a bit shoddy. they're using industrial piping for tetteet— using industrial piping for tetteet .— using industrial piping for ballast . they're using an xbox ballast. they're using an xbox eentretter— ballast. they're using an xbox controller for— ballast. they're using an xbox controller for the _ ballast. they're using an xbox controller for the steering . the controller for the steering. the etne— controller for the steering. the etne ttgnttng-e— controller for the steering. the strip lighting's something you get e— strip lighting's something you get e err— strip lighting's something you get e err enee— strip lighting's something you get e err enee .— strip lighting's something you get a diy shop , small, cramped get a diy shop, small, cramped eerwteee— get a diy shop, small, cramped eerwteee .— get a diy shop, small, cramped eerwteee . r— get a diy shop, small, cramped services . i wasn't— get a diy shop, small, cramped services . i wasn't happy with services. i wasn't happy with et— services. i wasn't happy with et tne— services. i wasn't happy with some of the design on like the tnrnetere— some of the design on like the tnrnetere en— some of the design on like the thrusters on the— some of the design on like the thrusters on the outside with the thrusters on the outside with tne eettee— thrusters on the outside with the cables there. _ thrusters on the outside with the cables there. i thought that e eneggtng— the cables there. i thought that was a snagging hazard. but what reettw— was a snagging hazard. but what reettw ttt— was a snagging hazard. but what reettw ttt tt— was a snagging hazard. but what really did it for— was a snagging hazard. but what really did it for me— was a snagging hazard. but what really did it for me was they tnew— really did it for me was they tnew ttettw— really did it for me was they they flatly refused to get any term— they flatly refused to get any term et— they flatly refused to get any form of certification . and it form of certification. and it eernet— form of certification. and it seemed that— form of certification. and it seemed that they had no tntentten— seemed that they had no intention of— seemed that they had no intention of getting any certification— intention of getting any certification for going down to tneee— certification for going down to tneee teetne— certification for going down to those depths once , let alone

those depths once, let alone eeweet— those depths once, let alone several times— those depths once, let alone several times. _ those depths once, let alone several times . v422“ those depths once, let alone several times. / “r2 those depths once, let alone several times . / ' “r2 2 those depths once, let alone several times. / “2 2 several times. yeah. and it has massively divided opinion whether or not trips like this should even exist , it's fair to should even exist, it's fair to say, and whether or not it was ever safe, which in light of what we are potentially witnessing unfolding now at the moment after debris has been found , that might go a long way found, that might go a long way to answering that question. chris. dad did not want to be on that trip. he got his deposit back, asked for his deposit back. huge sum of money back. he's a huge sum of money that it cost to have taken this trip region of trip somewhere in the region of a million, which a quarter of $1 million, which is a lot of the people on is why a lot of the people on this are indeed this trip are indeed billionaires. i think at billionaires. and i think at this particular moment in time now, emerged that an rov now, as it's emerged that an rov has quite possibly found road debris, that may well be tightened somewhere near the wreckage of the titanic , i think wreckage of the titanic, i think it's worth us just reminding ourselves who is missing and who was on titan . and paul, you've was on titan. and paul, you've obviously got some of the background info now, paul hawkins, about some of the people who were on titan. yes, he's men ages from 19

people who were on titan. yes,| he's-men ages from 19 to he's a five men ages from 19 to 73 he's a five men ages from 19 to at weere— he's a five men ages from 19 to we weere ett. — he's a five men ages from 19 to 73 years old. we— he's a five men ages from 19 to 73 years old. we know three of tnen — 73 years old. we know three of tnen ee— 73 years old. we know three of them are used— 73 years old. we know three of them are used to— 73 years old. we know three of them are used to exploring the teee— them are used to exploring the teee eeene— them are used to exploring the deep oceans. they— them are used to exploring the deep oceans. they are . hamish deep oceans. they are. hamish nerttng— deep oceans. they are. hamish nerttng te— deep oceans. they are. hamish nerttng te e— deep oceans. they are. hamish harding is a british businessman and harding is a british businessman ent eeweret.— harding is a british businessman and explorer, owner of three entnneee— and explorer, owner of three guinness world— and explorer, owner of three guinness world records . he's guinness world records. he's teen— guinness world records. he's teen te— guinness world records. he's teen te eeet-e— guinness world records. he's been to space. he's been to the tetere— been to space. he's been to the tetere .— been to space. he's been to the ocean before . experienced ocean before. experienced eeweret.— ocean before. experienced explorer, even— ocean before. experienced explorer, even more experienced tnen— explorer, even more experienced tnen ntn. — explorer, even more experienced tnen ntn. rent— explorer, even more experienced than him. paul henry nick gibb is than him. paul henry nick gibb te e— than him. paul henry nick gibb te e trenen— than him. paul henry nick gibb is a french explorer, 73 years old— is a french explorer, 73 years ett. tnewn— is a french explorer, 73 years old, known as— is a french explorer, 73 years old, known as mr— is a french explorer, 73 years old, known as mr titanic , first old, known as mr titanic, first wtettet— old, known as mr titanic, first wtettet tne— old, known as mr titanic, first visited the titanic— old, known as mr titanic, first visited the titanic in 1987. wnen— visited the titanic in 1987. wnen ne-e— visited the titanic in 1987. when he's been down there many tnee— when he's been down there many ttnee .— when he's been down there many ttnee . neteet— when he's been down there many times , helped to— when he's been down there many times , helped to retrieve items times, helped to retrieve items tren— times, helped to retrieve items tren tne— times, helped to retrieve items from the titanic— times, helped to retrieve items from the titanic himself. and tten— from the titanic himself. and tnen. et— from the titanic himself. and then, of course— from the titanic himself. and then, of course ,— from the titanic himself. and then, of course , who we assume then, of course, who we assume ettettng— then, of course, who we assume ettettng tne— then, of course, who we assume was piloting the craft. the enter— was piloting the craft. the chief executive— was piloting the craft. the chief executive of oceangate tnere— chief executive of oceangate tnere. tne — chief executive of oceangate there, the company that owns the ttten. — there, the company that owns the titan, stockton— there, the company that owns the titan, stockton rush as well . titan, stockton rush as well. rent.— titan, stockton rush as well. rent. wneee— titan, stockton rush as well. paul, whose wife— titan, stockton rush as well. paul, whose wife wendy, is the greet— paul, whose wife wendy, is the greet greet— paul, whose wife wendy, is the great great granddaughter of a eewere— great great granddaughter of a eenete wne— great great granddaughter of a couple who died— great great granddaughter of a couple who died on the titanic ent— couple who died on the titanic ent wne— couple who died on the titanic ent wne eett— couple who died on the titanic and who said in— couple who died on the titanic and who said in in— couple who died on the titanic and who said in in previous tnterwtewe— and who said in in previous interviews with— and who said in in previous interviews with the media, he

eett.— interviews with the media, he eett. wen— interviews with the media, he said, you know,— interviews with the media, he said, you know, at some point eetetw— said, you know, at some point eetetw te— said, you know, at some point eetetw te tnet— said, you know, at some point safety is just pure— said, you know, at some point safety is just pure waste. if you— safety is just pure waste. if wen tnet— safety is just pure waste. if wen rnet went— safety is just pure waste. if you just want to - safety is just pure waste. if you just want to be safe , don't you just want to be safe, don't get— you just want to be safe, don't get ent— you just want to be safe, don't get ent et— you just want to be safe, don't get ent et tet. — you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed. don't get in weer— get out of bed. don't get in your car, don't— get out of bed. don't get in your car, don't do anything but tnengnte— your car, don't do anything but tnengnte ee— your car, don't do anything but thoughts as well— your car, don't do anything but thoughts as well with of the two eeeete— thoughts as well with of the two eeeete en — thoughts as well with of the two eeeete en teert— thoughts as well with of the two people on board who are not seasoned explorers who will have not seasoned explorers who will have net teen— seasoned explorers who will have net teen tn— seasoned explorers who will have not been in that— seasoned explorers who will have not been in that situation tetere— not been in that situation tetere .— not been in that situation before . shahzada dawood and his before. shahzada dawood and his 19 before. shahzada dawood and his re weer— before. shahzada dawood and his re weer ett— before. shahzada dawood and his re weer ett een— before. shahzada dawood and his 19 year old son sulaiman he's a rettetent — 19 year old son sulaiman he's a pakistani businessman , but he's pakistani businessman, but he's teen— pakistani businessman, but he's teen ttwtng— pakistani businessman, but he's teen ttwtng tn— pakistani businessman, but he's been living in the— pakistani businessman, but he's been living in the uk for many weee— been living in the uk for many weere ttwtng— been living in the uk for many weere ttwtng tn— been living in the uk for many years, living in surrey. he's an etwteer— years, living in surrey. he's an etwteer te— years, living in surrey. he's an advisor to the— years, living in surrey. he's an advisor to the princes trust international— advisor to the princes trust international .— advisor to the princes trust international . and yeah, very international. and yeah, very nnen— international. and yeah, very nnen tewet— international. and yeah, very much loved, very— international. and yeah, very much loved, very much light and ttengtte— much loved, very much light and thoughts, thoughts— much loved, very much light and thoughts, thoughts and prayers wttn— thoughts, thoughts and prayers wttn ert— thoughts, thoughts and prayers with all those— thoughts, thoughts and prayers with all those five men, their tnetr— with all those five men, their their families— with all those five men, their their families and friends right cent— their families and friends right now. can't imagine what they're going— now. can't imagine what they're getng-teen.- now. can't imagine what they're getng-teen. too.- going through. yeah. 100, deeplvr_ going through. yeah. 100, deeply, distressing. he's deeply, deeply distressing. he's an interesting character. this stockton rush . and you have to stockton rush. and you have to be to try to even think about attempting trips like this. clearly a visionary, clearly somebody with a deep passion for this is the ceo of oceangate expo editions. he did apparently

once say this is according to reports that he didn't want to hire 50 year old white guys because they are not inspirational enough. he also said that the craft, as you said, they're basically saying that safety is important , but that safety is important, but also that you don't get out of bed in the morning. also that you don't get out of bed in the morning . you know, if bed in the morning. you know, if you're too afraid of absolutely everything . so he's clearly, you everything. so he's clearly, you know, a real intrepid explorer at his heart. and it's the 61 year old ceo of oceangate expeditions who is still missing along with the other four passengers. now yesterday i heard a remarkable conversation with a chap called mike reese , with a chap called mike reese, who is the writer of the simpson , is one of the writers of the simpsons. now he visited the wreck of the titanic last july on this same craft. so on titan paid rather a lot of money for it. he was also joined by his wife, denise, who had been due to make the same trip but couldn't go . so after she tested couldn't go. so after she tested positive for covid. now, i did put to them a few things.

firstly even if the worst case scenario happens, which sadly may well be the case given this breaking news that we're talking about right now, would they still go? they said that they would still go. they also did describe a lot of the safety fears that are now being spewed out across the press . he just out across the press. he just didn't care about the safety fears. i think we've got a bit of a clip of this interview now. i do talk is going on about the safety of the vessel. it is a very, very safety of the vessel. it is a werw. werw netw— it is a very, very risky proposition. there-e— very, very risky proposition. tnere-e enwwew— very, very risky proposition. there's anyway ,— very, very risky proposition. there's anyway , one- very, very risky proposition. there's anyway , one who booked there's anyway, one who booked this trip knew it was going to be risky. you sign a lengthy waiver that lists really 100 ways to die. things that could go wrong. so everyone walks into this with open , open eyes and, this with open, open eyes and, you know, it's just it just sinks to the bottom of the ocean by gravity . and then when you're by gravity. and then when you're tene — by gravity. and then when you're tene explorin9r_ by gravity. and then when you're done exploring, you— 32 2g and then when you're done exploring, you release wetgnte— done exploring, you release wetgnte ent— done exploring, you release weights and you bob to the

ewetee— weights and you bob to the surface with _ weights and you bob to the surface with buoyancy. 2 surface with buoyancy. it's extrenetw— surface with buoyancy. it's extremely low— surface with buoyancy. it's extremely low tech- surface with buoyancy. it's extremely low tech ,- surface with buoyancy. it's extremely low tech , which i extremely low tech, which i liked about it. it was it was a teentttnt— liked about it. it was it was a beautiful experience- liked about it. it was it was a beautiful experience .- 2 2 2 it was it was a beautiful experience . it's beautiful experience. it's eenetntng— beautiful experience. it's something to— beautiful experience. it's something to know and decide , something to know and decide, rtgnte— something to know and decide, rtgnte tne— something to know and decide, right? the fact— something to know and decide, right? the fact that death was teentng— right? the fact that death was teentng ent— right? the fact that death was looming and despite the fact tnet— looming and despite the fact tnet tnte— looming and despite the fact tnet the re— looming and despite the fact that this is the— looming and despite the fact that this is the most exciting tntng— that this is the most exciting tntng twe— that this is the most exciting thing i've ever— that this is the most exciting thing i've ever done , i fell thing i've ever done, i fell eeteee— thing i've ever done, i fell eeteee en— thing i've ever done, i fell asleep on the— thing i've ever done, i fell asleep on the way down. it was tnet— asleep on the way down. it was tnet ee— asleep on the way down. it was tnet ee tt— asleep on the way down. it was wet ee t we— asleep on the way down. it was just so it was dimly lit. it was gntet. — just so it was dimly lit. it was gntet. twerwene— just so it was dimly lit. it was quiet. everyone was- just so it was dimly lit. it was quiet. rt.222“ quiet. everyone was calm that i actually dozed off until we hit the floor of the ocean . i've got the floor of the ocean. i've got to ask denise. mike— t“ i've got to ask denise. mike managed to get tewn— to ask denise. mike managed to get tewn tnere— to ask denise. mike managed to get down there and mike managed to get down there and mike managed te eee— get down there and mike managed te tne— get down there and mike managed to see the titanic— get down there and mike managed to see the titanic .— get down there and mike managed to see the titanic . if to see the titanic. if ewerwtntng— to see the titanic. if everything goes well and these eeeete— everything goes well and these eeeete ee— everything goes well and these people are rescued . and denise, people are rescued. and denise, wentt— people are rescued. and denise, wentt wen— people are rescued. and denise, wentt wen ge— people are rescued. and denise, would you go back— people are rescued. and denise, would you go back on that vessel ent— would you go back on that vessel ent ge— would you go back on that vessel ent ge ent— would you go back on that vessel ent ge ent ttw— would you go back on that vessel ent ge ent trw te— would you go back on that vessel and go and try to find the tttentee— and go and try to find the titanic? do— and go and try to find the titanic? do you- and go and try to find the titanic? do you think? i was eenettenng— titanic? do you think? i was considering doing it again this year? — considering doing it again this year? ant— considering doing it again this year? ant r— considering doing it again this year? and i was— considering doing it again this year? ' “2 t “g year? and i was coaxing. another friend _ year? and i was coaxing. another friend of- year? ' “2 t “3 another friend of mine to come wttn— another friend of mine to come wttn wnen— another friend of mine to come with whom i've— another friend of mine to come with whom i've been in touch . with whom i've been in touch. yest— with whom i've been in touch. vee. r— with whom i've been in touch. vee. r tntnt— with whom i've been in touch. vee. r tntnt r— with whom i've been in touch. yes, i think i would do it. i went—

yes, i think i would do it. i wentt r— yes, i think i would do it. i would i might— yes, i think i would do it. i would i might try to do this egetn. — would i might try to do this egetn. wnet— would i might try to do this again. what was- would i might try to do this again. t “g again. what was fascinating for me is the longer version of that interview online, by the way, is that he talking to me about that he was talking to me about how falling down how when he was falling down through ocean , how he fell through the ocean, how he fell asleep. but i asked denise what she would have been feeling like if the worst case scenario had happened and if people were missing and if mike had gone missing. and she was saying to me actually would me that she actually would have been would been distraught, but she would have he'd have been okay because he'd taken a notepad and pen with taken a notepad and a pen with him and he was just going to write his last jokes there. write his last jokes down there. as of the simpsons. as the writer of the simpsons. and sometimes the and i think sometimes the psychology these people, psychology of these people, i find it almost as fascinating as the that they do the work that they do themselves. to the themselves. but but to the matter in hand anyway, this story that broke just after 5:00, a tweet from the us coastguard which reads this, a debns coastguard which reads this, a debris field was discovered within the search area by an rov near titanic . experts within near the titanic. experts within the unified command are evaluating this information . evaluating this information. there will be a press conference, which we will endeavour to take live on gb news at 8 pm. time. tim news at 8 pm. uk time. tim moulton, who is a titanic

expert, this to say. he said expert, had this to say. he said if it is debris from the titan's sub, then it sounds like the sub could imploded at or near could have imploded at or near the titanic wreck due to extreme water pressure. at that depth . water pressure. at that depth. now, mike wellum has kindly been sitting on the line for a very long i'm to return long time. i'm going to return to mike now. he's a marine operations specialist. look, thank , mike. what operations specialist. look, thaigoing , mike. what operations specialist. look, thaigoing to , mike. what operations specialist. look, thaigoing to be , mike. what operations specialist. look, thaigoing to be the , mike. what operations specialist. look, thaigoing to be the , mike.of hat are going to be the chances of recovering of this wreckage, recovering any of this wreckage, do is, do you think, if indeed it is, of titan , if it's of course, the titan, if it's sitting on the seabed, the rov, the types of rovs they're putting down there are equipped to recover other items of debris , and they can do . but that's , and they can do. but that's gette— , and they can do. but that's gntte e— , and they can do. but that's quite a logistical— ' “2 t“ 22 but that's quite a logistical challenge teeenee— quite a logistical challenge teeenee wen— quite a logistical challenge because you have to put a tntng— because you have to put a tttttng wtte— because you have to put a lifting wire down from the ewetee— lifting wire down from the surface and _ lifting wire down from the surface and that's got to be put to surface and that's got to be put te tne— surface and that's got to be put te tne te— surface and that's got to be put te tne te tne— surface and that's got to be put to the to the wreckage and then it to the to the wreckage and then tt wtt— to the to the wreckage and then tt wttt te — to the to the wreckage and then it will be attached— to the to the wreckage and then it will be attached to the wreetege — it will be attached to the wreetege .— it will be attached to the wreckage . so— it will be attached to the wreckage . so it's not a quick wreckage. so it's not a quick ttx. — wreckage. so it's not a quick ttx. rte— wreckage. so it's not a quick ttx. rt-e net— wreckage. so it's not a quick fix. it's not a— wreckage. so it's not a quick fix. it's not a quick job, but it fix. it's not a quick job, but tt een— fix. it's not a quick job, but tt te— fix. it's not a quick job, but it can be done— fix. it's not a quick job, but it can be done .— fix. it's not a quick job, but it can be done . and i've been in

it can be done. and i've been in wnere— it can be done. and i've been in where we've actually put wires tewn— where we've actually put wires tewn te— where we've actually put wires tewn te e— where we've actually put wires down to a thing— where we've actually put wires down to a thing on the on the eeetet— down to a thing on the on the eeetet ent— down to a thing on the on the seabed and attached it and wet— seabed and attached it and ttttet rt.— seabed and attached it and lifted it. so— seabed and attached it and lifted it. so it— seabed and attached it and lifted it. so it is— seabed and attached it and lifted it. so it is something tnet-e— lifted it. so it is something tnet-e tene.— lifted it. so it is something that's done. the- lifted it. so it is something that's done. the salvage people wen— that's done. the salvage people wen tnew— that's done. the salvage people wen tnew .— that's done. the salvage people are, you know , they're past are, you know, they're past neetere— are, you know, they're past rneetere et— are, you know, they're past masters at this. _ are, you know, they're past masters at this. they're very geet— masters at this. they're very geet et— masters at this. they're very geet et rt.— masters at this. they're very good at it. and— masters at this. they're very good at it. and then they'll trtng— good at it. and then they'll trtng tt— good at it. and then they'll trtng tt te— good at it. and then they'll bring it to the— good at it. and then they'll bring it to the surface. but rte— bring it to the surface. but tt-e ne— bring it to the surface. but tt-e en te— bring it to the surface. but we we te tne— bring it to the surface. but it's up to the people to look ent— it's up to the people to look ent eee— it's up to the people to look and see what— it's up to the people to look and see what damage is there. i tt— and see what damage is there. i tt tt-e— and see what damage is there. i tt tt-e tt— and see what damage is there. i mean, if it's if it's— and see what damage is there. i mean, if it's if it's an tneteeten— mean, if it's if it's an implosion ,- mean, if it's if it's an implosion , you know what it is? implosion, you know what it is? it's implosion, you know what it is? rt-e tne— implosion, you know what it is? it's the pressure— implosion, you know what it is? it's the pressure of— implosion, you know what it is? it's the pressure of the sea teentng— it's the pressure of the sea pushing against the submarine's eeetng— pushing against the submarine's eeetng ent— pushing against the submarine's eeetng ent et— pushing against the submarine's casing out of the— pushing against the submarine's casing out of the outer shell. ant— casing out of the outer shell. ant tnen— casing out of the outer shell. ant tnen tt— casing out of the outer shell. and then it will— casing out of the outer shell. and then it will push in to the to and then it will push in to the te tne— and then it will push in to the te tne nern— and then it will push in to the to the main. the— and then it will push in to the to the main. the main oops, eenw— to the main. the main oops, eerrw .— to the main. the main oops, eerrw . rte— to the main. the main oops, eerrw . rt-e ert— to the main. the main oops, sorry . it's all right. /2. 3x sorry. it's all right. you might wee-re— sorry. it's all right. you might you're a man in demand, don't worry. but we've got you so you're going to have to tell them to i'm afraid. them to back off. i'm afraid. but. what were you were but. so. so what were you were saying saying that saying that you were saying that the would the pressure, the pressure would have . the pressure have got too much. the pressure wentt— have got too much. the pressure wentt newe— have got too much. the pressure wentt newe get— have got too much. the pressure would have got-much.-it| would have got too much. and it tnet— would have got too much. and it rnet egneenee— would have got too much. and it rnet egreenee rt.— would have got too much. and it just squashes it. it's like it's

ttte— just squashes it. it's like it's ttte tetttng— just squashes it. it's like it's ttte tetttng e— just squashes it. it's like it's like putting a tin can of an empty— like putting a tin can of an enetw een— like putting a tin can of an enetw et— like putting a tin can of an empty can of coke on the floor wnere— empty can of coke on the floor wnere wen-re— empty can of coke on the floor where you're sitting now. and tnen— where you're sitting now. and then standing— where you're sitting now. and then standing on— where you're sitting now. and then standing on it. that's exeettw— then standing on it. that's exactly what— then standing on it. that's exactly what it— then standing on it. that's exactly what it would be like. etew— exactly what it would be like. etew — exactly what it would be like. otew ant— exactly what it would be like. otew ant te— exactly what it would be like. okay and do you- exactly what it would be like. okay “2 22 exactly what it would be like. okay 2 okay and do you think that it is likely that this is something that actually did happen in like days ago or is it something that could have happened if this craft has run out of oxygen, if other things are switched off? i don't know. and maybe don't know. and that maybe it's happened recently ? i think happened more recently? i think on reflection of it now- happened more recently? i think on reflection of it now ,- 2 tr2;rt.r2;“22«r?’ ithink on reflection of it now , they on reflection of it now, they getttng— on reflection of it now, they were getting the— on reflection of it now, they were getting the pings coming tren— were getting the pings coming tren tne— were getting the pings coming from the from _ were getting the pings coming from the from the mini sub and tnen— from the from the mini sub and tnen tnew— from the from the mini sub and then they stopped. so it might wett— then they stopped. so it might wett te— then they stopped. so it might wett te tnet— then they stopped. so it might well be that the— then they stopped. so it might well be that the it got to the eeetet. — well be that the it got to the eeetet. rt— well be that the it got to the seabed. it landed on the seabed ent— seabed. it landed on the seabed ent tnen— seabed. it landed on the seabed ent tnen tt— seabed. it landed on the seabed and then it imploded. and that went— and then it imploded. and that wentt newe— and then it imploded. and that would have destroyed the beacon for would have destroyed the beacon ter eenttng— would have destroyed the beacon for sending out— would have destroyed the beacon for sending out the— would have destroyed the beacon for sending out the pings enwwew. — for sending out the pings enwwew. se— for sending out the pings anyway. so it's a possibility tnet— anyway. so it's a possibility tnet tnet— anyway. so it's a possibility that that happened then. but if tnew— that that happened then. but if tnew een— that that happened then. but if they can recover— that that happened then. but if they can recover the wreckage , they can recover the wreckage, tneee— they can recover the wreckage, tneee — they can recover the wreckage, these are things— they can recover the wreckage, these are things that they'll ttentttw— these are things that they'll ttentttw . — these are things that they'll identify . yeah.— these are things that they'll identify . 422“ these are things that they'll identify . v422“ these are things that they'll identify . 422“ 2 identify. yeah. how easy is it to find stuff out, mike, from from wreckage like this are you

able are people able to look at it after the event and be able to piece together exactly what's happened ? yeah. to a degree. i happened? yeah. to a degree. i mean, it's like when an eereetene— mean, it's like when an aeroplane crashes and they pick up aeroplane crashes and they pick en et— aeroplane crashes and they pick up ett tne— aeroplane crashes and they pick up all the little— aeroplane crashes and they pick up all the little pieces and tnew— up all the little pieces and tnew tete— up all the little pieces and they take them— up all the little pieces and they take them to a large hangar and they take them to a large hangar ent tnew— they take them to a large hangar ent tnew eett— they take them to a large hangar ent tnew eert et— they take them to a large hangar and they sort of rebuild the eereetene— and they sort of rebuild the aeroplane and— and they sort of rebuild the aeroplane and that's how they wett— aeroplane and that's how they wert ent— aeroplane and that's how they can work out what's gone wrong, why— can work out what's gone wrong, wnw tt— can work out what's gone wrong, wnw tt ereenet— can work out what's gone wrong, wnw tt ereenet .— can work out what's gone wrong, why it crashed . and it's the why it crashed. and it's the same here. they'll get back as men— same here. they'll get back as net ee— same here. they'll get back as net ee tnew— same here. they'll get back as much as they can,— same here. they'll get back as much as they can, i would enggeet— much as they can, i would enggeet. ee— much as they can, i would suggest, so that they can find out suggest, so that they can find ent wnet— suggest, so that they can find out what went— suggest, so that they can find out what went wrong in the ewerett— out what went wrong in the overall thing,— out what went wrong in the overall thing, and especially if tnere-e— overall thing, and especially if tnere-e enw— overall thing, and especially if there's any sort— overall thing, and especially if there's any sort of lead ttttgetten— there's any sort of lead litigation that's going to come tren— litigation that's going to come tren tnte— litigation that's going to come from this down— litigation that's going to come from this down the line . yeah, from this down the line. yeah, tnew— from this down the line. yeah, tnew wtt— from this down the line. yeah, they will want— from this down the line. yeah, they will want all— from this down the line. yeah, they will want all the evidence tnew— they will want all the evidence tnew een— they will want all the evidence tnew get. — they will want all the evidence they can get. mike, is it eeeettte— they can get. mike, is it possible at— they can get. mike, is it possible at all that any any centen— possible at all that any any eeneen et— possible at all that any any chance at all— possible at all that any any chance at all that this debris etner— chance at all that this debris etner tnen— chance at all that this debris other than the— chance at all that this debris other than the titanic could come from somewhere else, eeeetttw— come from somewhere else, possibly washed— come from somewhere else, possibly washed into the area by the possibly washed into the area by tne etreng— possibly washed into the area by the strong currents— possibly washed into the area by the strong currents on the netten— the strong currents on the tetten et— the strong currents on the bottom of the— the strong currents on the bottom of the ocean ? that's bottom of the ocean? that's a yes— bottom of the ocean? that's a wee .— bottom of the ocean? that's a wee . ven— bottom of the ocean? that's a wee . ven tnet— bottom of the ocean? that's a yes . you just don't know. bottom of the ocean? that's a yes . you just don't know . a ship

yes. you just don't know. a ship eentt— yes. you just don't know. a ship eentt newe— yes. you just don't know. a ship could have been— yes. you just don't know. a ship could have been passing dumped eenetntng— could have been passing dumped something over— could have been passing dumped something over the side and it trttte— something over the side and it trttte tn— something over the side and it trttte tn tne— something over the side and it drifts in the current and ends up tenttng— drifts in the current and ends up landing there. i mean, the eeetet— up landing there. i mean, the seabed there— up landing there. i mean, the seabed there is— up landing there. i mean, the seabed there is rubbish all over the seabed there is rubbish all over tne eeetet— seabed there is rubbish all over the seabed from _ seabed there is rubbish all over the seabed from the shallow ete— the seabed from the shallow ete .— the seabed from the shallow waters , even— the seabed from the shallow waters , even into the deeper waters, even into the deeper ete— waters, even into the deeper ete .— waters, even into the deeper waters . yeah.— waters, even into the deeper waters . yeah. so— waters, even into the deeper waters . yeah. so yes, that's waters. yeah. so yes, that's wnet— waters. yeah. so yes, that's wnet tn— waters. yeah. so yes, that's what i'm saying.- waters. yeah. so yes, that's what i'm saying. that they found eenetntng— what i'm saying. that they found eenetntng tnew— what i'm saying. that they found something they can probably ttentttw— something they can probably identify that— something they can probably identify that it's not titanic netenet— identify that it's not titanic netertet .— identify that it's not titanic material, but— identify that it's not titanic material, but that's identify that it's not titanic material , but that's why they material, but that's why they wtt— material, but that's why they wttt went— material, but that's why they wttt went te — material, but that's why they will want to film _ material, but that's why they will want to film it and ewetnete— will want to film it and evaluate it— will want to film it and evaluate it because they've got to. evaluate it because they've got te. tnew-we— evaluate it because they've got te. tnew-we get— evaluate it because they've got to. they've got to— evaluate it because they've got to. they've got to confirm that tnet— to. they've got to confirm that tnet te— to. they've got to confirm that tnet te wnet— to. they've got to confirm that that is what it— to. they've got to confirm that that is what it is.— to. they've got to confirm that that is what it is. and not just etner— that is what it is. and not just other debris.— that is what it is. and not just other debris. so— that is what it is. and not just other debris. so yeah. so as you eewtng— other debris. so yeah. so as you were saying there, then these currents that are down there , a currents that are down there, a lot of people might think that once you get to those depths , once you get to those depths, it's relatively still. and quiet, but it's not. is it like you will say, there's so much rubbish on the bottom of the oceans. there's so many strong currents. that was one of the reasons as well initially why people were wondering even if the cut off from the titan had been cut off from the titan had been cut off from the world. i and it was the world. i mean, and it was near titanic when that

near the titanic when that happened. could have drifted happened. it could have drifted . it could moved . yeah . i . it could have moved. yeah. i mean, the sea is— . it could have moved. yeah. i mean, the sea is a— 2 t2 2 yeah. i mean, the sea is a moving body . mean, the sea is a moving body. ven— mean, the sea is a moving body. ven tnew.— mean, the sea is a moving body. ven tnew. tne— mean, the sea is a moving body. you know, the entire you know, ewerwtntng. — you know, the entire you know, ewerwtntng. wre— you know, the entire you know, everything. we watch it when it's everything. we watch it when tt-e tetttng— everything. we watch it when it's rolling on— everything. we watch it when it's rolling on the beach. but tne— it's rolling on the beach. but tne wnete— it's rolling on the beach. but the whole sea— it's rolling on the beach. but the whole sea does move. it's werwtng— the whole sea does move. it's werwtng tegreee— the whole sea does move. it's varying degrees. it gets less tne— varying degrees. it gets less tne teeter— varying degrees. it gets less the deeper you _ varying degrees. it gets less the deeper you go , generally. the deeper you go, generally. tnt— the deeper you go, generally. net wen— the deeper you go, generally. nnt wen tnew.— the deeper you go, generally. but you know, it's not a fixed tntng. — but you know, it's not a fixed tntng. rte— but you know, it's not a fixed tntng. rt-e net— but you know, it's not a fixed thing. it's not like a bowl of weter— thing. it's not like a bowl of weter tn— thing. it's not like a bowl of water in your— thing. it's not like a bowl of water in your sink. and it all etewe— water in your sink. and it all etewe nee— water in your sink. and it all stays nice and— water in your sink. and it all stays nice and calm. there are a lot stays nice and calm. there are a tet et— stays nice and calm. there are a tet et teetere— stays nice and calm. there are a lot of factors that— stays nice and calm. there are a lot of factors that come into it . ant — lot of factors that come into it . ant ante.— lot of factors that come into it . and mike, do— lot of factors that come into it . and mike, do you- lot of factors that come into it . and mike, do you think that this is going to actually put a massive pause button on adventure trips like this and dare i say it, maybe even research trips ? and do you think research trips? and do you think that's do you think that's necessary as well ? do you think necessary as well? do you think that maybe this should be a bit of a wake up call for people who , with absolute respect, have kyiv loads of money? can do whatever they want in cases like

hamish have been to space and apparently got three world records and i can understand massively personally i can understand the appeal to want to just do the most extreme things you possibly can with your life and how, frankly, anything else might even seem a bit boring at times. if you are that kind of chap. actually, should chap. yeah, but actually, should this maybe be a bit of a wake up call people . this maybe be a bit of a wake up call people. that's this maybe be a bit of a wake up call people . that's going to call for people. that's going to be e— call for people. that's going to be e ttg— call for people. that's going to be e ttg teget— call for people. that's going to be a big legal debate- call for people. that's going to be a big legal debate .- rt.222 that's going to be a big legal debate . i think be a big legal debate. i think as an individual— be a big legal debate. i think as an individual ,— be a big legal debate. i think as an individual, if be a big legal debate. i think as an individual , if he be a big legal debate. i think as an individual, if he wants to tnttt— as an individual, if he wants to tett e— as an individual, if he wants to tett e ntnt — as an individual, if he wants to build a mini submarine , which is build a mini submarine, which is wnet— build a mini submarine, which is wnet ne-e— build a mini submarine, which is what he's done— build a mini submarine, which is what he's done and— build a mini submarine, which is what he's done and he takes eeeete— what he's done and he takes eeeete en— what he's done and he takes people on board— what he's done and he takes people on board it and they wetnntentw— people on board it and they voluntarily go— people on board it and they voluntarily go and they know wnet— voluntarily go and they know wnet tne— voluntarily go and they know what the what— voluntarily go and they know what the what the situation is. i what the what the situation is. r eneeeee— what the what the situation is. r eneeeee tt— what the what the situation is. i suppose it becomes very tttttentt— i suppose it becomes very difficult to _ i suppose it becomes very difficult to say— i suppose it becomes very difficult to say to them, sorry, you— difficult to say to them, sorry, wen een-t— difficult to say to them, sorry, wen een-t te — difficult to say to them, sorry, you can't do that— difficult to say to them, sorry, you can't do that .— difficult to say to them, sorry, you can't do that . where i think you can't do that. where i think it you can't do that. where i think tt wentt— you can't do that. where i think tt wentt tnew— you can't do that. where i think it would imply spinach, well, it went— it would imply spinach, well, it wentt te— it would imply spinach, well, it wentt te tn— it would imply spinach, well, it would do in the— it would imply spinach, well, it would do in the uk when people

pay would do in the uk when people eew nenew— would do in the uk when people eew nenew te— would do in the uk when people eew nenew te ge— would do in the uk when people pay money to go and do it teeenee— pay money to go and do it because it's— pay money to go and do it because it's being run like a tnetneee— because it's being run like a business and— because it's being run like a business and if— because it's being run like a business and if you if you go on enwtntng— business and if you if you go on enwtntng .— business and if you if you go on enwtntng . e— business and if you if you go on enwtntng . e ttte— business and if you if you go on anything , a ride or— business and if you if you go on anything, a ride or in a renter.— anything, a ride or in a funfair, something like that, you— funfair, something like that, wen erteet— funfair, something like that, you expect that— funfair, something like that, you expect that device you're on to you expect that device you're on te te— you expect that device you're on te te eete— you expect that device you're on te te eete ent— you expect that device you're on to be safe and in— you expect that device you're on to be safe and in this case, ettnttng— to be safe and in this case, climbing into— to be safe and in this case, climbing into that into that ntnt— climbing into that into that ntnt ent.— climbing into that into that ntnt ent. wen— climbing into that into that mini sub, you would expect it to be mini sub, you would expect it to te eete— mini sub, you would expect it to te eete ent— mini sub, you would expect it to be safe and fit— mini sub, you would expect it to be safe and fit for— mini sub, you would expect it to be safe and fit for purpose. and tren— be safe and fit for purpose. and tren wnet— be safe and fit for purpose. and tren wnet tn— be safe and fit for purpose. and from what i'm reading, there was no from what i'm reading, there was ne eertttteete— from what i'm reading, there was no certificate issued . there's no certificate issued. there's netetw— no certificate issued. there's nobody certified _ no certificate issued. there's nobody certified that it was fit for nobody certified that it was fit ter eweeee. — nobody certified that it was fit for purpose. and— nobody certified that it was fit for purpose. and i think even tne— for purpose. and i think even tne gnw— for purpose. and i think even tne gnw tnet— for purpose. and i think even the guy that owns the device has eetnettw— the guy that owns the device has actually commented on that. you tnew.— actually commented on that. you knew ne— actually commented on that. you knew ne ente— actually commented on that. you know, he cuts corners . i don't know, he cuts corners. i don't tnew.— know, he cuts corners. i don't tnew. ven— know, he cuts corners. i don't know. you know— know, he cuts corners. i don't know. you know it's but you're eewtng— know. you know it's but you're eewtng te— know. you know it's but you're saying to somebody , no, you saying to somebody, no, you een-t— saying to somebody, no, you een-t te— saying to somebody, no, you een-t te rt.— saying to somebody, no, you can't do it. so— saying to somebody, no, you can't do it. so if— saying to somebody, no, you can't do it. so if you say that tnew— can't do it. so if you say that tnew een-t— can't do it. so if you say that tnew een-t ge— can't do it. so if you say that they can't go into— can't do it. so if you say that they can't go into mini sub as nerrnet— they can't go into mini sub as normal civilians— they can't go into mini sub as normal civilians without the tetng— normal civilians without the

tetng e— normal civilians without the being a business, you've got to newe— being a business, you've got to newe te— being a business, you've got to newe te etee— being a business, you've got to have to stop mountaineers ettnttng— have to stop mountaineers climbing mountains and you're going— climbing mountains and you're getng te— climbing mountains and you're getng te newe— climbing mountains and you're getng te newe te— climbing mountains and you're going to have to stop people wetttng— going to have to stop people walking across— going to have to stop people walking across the desert and all walking across the desert and ett tneee— walking across the desert and all these other— walking across the desert and all these other things that eeeete— all these other things that eeeete te— all these other things that people do because they're enettengee— people do because they're challenges now. 22 ' “2 people do because they're challenges now. 22 “2 challenges now. indeed. and it's worth noting as well, if you are just joining us, the us coastguard says that a debris field has been found somewhere near the wreck of the titanic in that search area. and it's fair to say they will have thought long and hard about putting this message out. everyone knows the connotations message, connotations of this message, not those people involved not least those people involved themselves. they will not have just rushed into tweeting something out like this. and i think people are right now to be very concerned potentially very concerned that potentially the worst has happened at debris field discovered within field was discovered within their search area, as you were saying , though, mike, the saving saying, though, mike, the saving grace of all of this potentially would be that if anything has happened, it would have been incredibly quick. oh, yeah, bang , it's incredibly quick. oh, yeah, bang . tt-e nettenet— incredibly quick. oh, yeah, bang , it's happened. you— t2 2. m oh, yeah, bang , it's happened. you know , , it's happened. you know, tnere-e— , it's happened. you know, tnere-e ne— , it's happened. you know, there's no you— , it's happened. you know, there's no you cannot the human netw— there's no you cannot the human tetw ennet— there's no you cannot the human body cannot survive— there's no you cannot the human body cannot survive at that

teett— body cannot survive at that teetn .— body cannot survive at that teetn . ven— body cannot survive at that depth . you know, even if you had depth. you know, even if you had a depth. you know, even if you had e eeete— depth. you know, even if you had e eente tente— depth. you know, even if you had a scuba tanks on— depth. you know, even if you had a scuba tanks on your back, tnew-t— a scuba tanks on your back, tnew-t te— a scuba tanks on your back, they'd be completely ineffective . awtw— they'd be completely ineffective . twtw. wen— they'd be completely ineffective . twtw. wen tnew.— they'd be completely ineffective . kyiv, you know, that's it. teng— . kyiv, you know, that's it. neng wen-e— . kyiv, you know, that's it. bang you're dead. indeed. look ante.— bang you're dead. indeed. look ante. eett.— bang you're dead. indeed. look ante. eett. ee— bang you're dead. indeed. look mike, cold. go on.— bang you're dead. indeed. look mike, cold. go on. this is cold. ant— mike, cold. go on. this is cold. ant nert— mike, cold. go on. this is cold. ant nert ee— mike, cold. go on. this is cold. and hard as that— mike, cold. go on. this is cold. and hard as that . _ mike, cold. go on. this is cold. and hard as that . . g and hard as that. fair enough. look mike, thank you very, very much for this and for staying with for us so long and giving your expertise on all of this. it is much appreciated. it's marine operations expert. there of course, i am just going to whiz through now to retired royal navy officer admiral sir james burnell nugent, who i believe joins me now. thank you very much . great. great to have very much. great. great to have you on the show . although, of you on the show. although, of course, under what appears to be relatively bleak circumstances as the us coastguard has been tweeting that, of course, they will have press conference will have a press conference this unfortunately this around 8:00. unfortunately the there's some the news is that there's some debns the news is that there's some debris that's been discovered. your thoughts ? well,

debris that's been discovered. your thoughts ? well , they your thoughts? well, they newen-t— your thoughts? well, they haven't said— your thoughts? well, they haven't said the- /r2r. . 32.3 “257 well, they haven't said the nature of the tetrte— haven't said the nature of the tetne. tnt— haven't said the nature of the debris, but it— haven't said the nature of the debris, but it does sound like gnn— debris, but it does sound like grtn newe— debris, but it does sound like grtn r— debris, but it does sound like grim news. i must say. t grim news. i must say. i suspect tnere— grim news. i must say. i suspect there eer— grim news. i must say. i suspect there are photographs being analysed in much the same way after a plane crash . you know, after a plane crash. you know, you can identify— t you know, you can identify whether the tetrte— you can identify whether the debris comes— you can identify whether the debris comes from the suspect etrerett— debris comes from the suspect etrerett. tne— debris comes from the suspect aircraft. the same— debris comes from the suspect aircraft. the same would be true in aircraft. the same would be true tn tneee— aircraft. the same would be true in these circumstances if the if the in these circumstances if the if tne eeeet— in these circumstances if the if tne eeeet tt— in these circumstances if the if the vessel if the _ in these circumstances if the if the vessel if the titan has tnetetet— the vessel if the titan has imploded under the pressure tewn.— imploded under the pressure tewn. tt— imploded under the pressure tewn. t we— imploded under the pressure down, it was down at about seeen.— down, it was down at about seeen. tnet— down, it was down at about 3300m, just short of the depth of 3300m, just short of the depth et tne— 3300m, just short of the depth of the titanic— 3300m, just short of the depth of the titanic .— 3300m, just short of the depth of the titanic . and the of the titanic. and the pressures down there are enormous and- pressures down there are enormous and if the if the eeeet— enormous and if the if the eeeet net— enormous and if the if the vessel had imploded, i mean , vessel had imploded, i mean, nret— vessel had imploded, i mean, ttret et— vessel had imploded, i mean, ttret et ert.— vessel had imploded, i mean, first of all, it— vessel had imploded, i mean, first of all, it would be extrenetw— first of all, it would be extremely quick . there's no extremely quick. there's no gneetten— extremely quick. there's no gneetten et— extremely quick. there's no question of life— extremely quick. there's no question of life saving under tneee— question of life saving under those circumstances and probably tetrte— those circumstances and probably tetrte wentt— those circumstances and probably debris would have— those circumstances and probably debris would have been scattered over a over a reasonable area. ant— over a over a reasonable area. ant tt— over a over a reasonable area. ant tt teee— over a over a reasonable area. and it does does— over a over a reasonable area. and it does does begin to sound ttte— and it does does begin to sound ttte tnet-e— and it does does begin to sound like that's what's— and it does does begin to sound like that's what's been found. nnt— like that's what's been found. but we— like that's what's been found. but we ewett— like that's what's been found. but we await more news from the ceeetgnert— but we await more news from the ceeetgnert — but we await more news from the ceeetgnert rte— but we await more news from the coastguard it's worth - but we await more news from the coastguard 2 “g coastguard it's worth noting how deep down this is . apparently, deep down this is. apparently, the depth is that of nine empire

state buildings , which is vast . state buildings, which is vast. of course, it is. as you said there, the pressure there will just be incredible . well, when just be incredible. well, when you think about a commercial vehicle, which is essentially what this is being sent to, those debts , do you think that those debts, do you think that this was always a disaster waiting to happen ? i think it's waiting to happen? i think it's a bit sort of wise after the event to say that. i think , you event to say that. i think, you tnew.— event to say that. i think, you knew e— event to say that. i think, you knew e tet— event to say that. i think, you knew e tet et— event to say that. i think, you know, a lot of the— event to say that. i think, you know, a lot of the a- event to say that. i think, you know, a lot of the a lot- i think, you know, a lot of the a lot of the teennetegtee— know, a lot of the a lot of the technologies we _ know, a lot of the a lot of the technologies we take for granted tetew— technologies we take for granted tetew. wen— technologies we take for granted tetew. wen tnew.— technologies we take for granted today, you know, the early days of today, you know, the early days et ttwtng— today, you know, the early days of flying machines, as they were eettet— of flying machines, as they were eettet. wen— of flying machines, as they were called, you know,— of flying machines, as they were called, you know, with. right ant— called, you know, with. right ant eeeete— called, you know, with. right and people who— called, you know, with. right and people who invented the eereetene— and people who invented the eereetene .— and people who invented the eereetene . wen— and people who invented the aeroplane , you know, the early aeroplane, you know, the early meter— aeroplane, you know, the early motor cars , they— aeroplane, you know, the early motor cars , they weren't they motor cars, they weren't they weent— motor cars, they weren't they weren't invented— motor cars, they weren't they weren't invented and certified , weren't invented and certified, vou— weren't invented and certified, wen tnew.— weren't invented and certified, wen tnew. tw— weren't invented and certified, wen tnew. tw tne— weren't invented and certified, you know, by the government of the you know, by the government of tne et— you know, by the government of tne et tne— you know, by the government of tne et tne tew— you know, by the government of the of the day. these breakthroughs in technology , breakthroughs in technology, nenw— breakthroughs in technology, nenw et— breakthroughs in technology, nenw et tten— breakthroughs in technology, many of them are done by by individuals— many of them are done by by individuals ,— many of them are done by by individuals , maybe engineers individuals, maybe engineers wttn— individuals, maybe engineers wttn greet— individuals, maybe engineers with great engineering skills. etwtenetw— with great engineering skills. obviously financial backing and

reente— obviously financial backing and eeeete wenwe— obviously financial backing and people who've got an unquenchable appetite for etwentwe— unquenchable appetite for adventure and— unquenchable appetite for adventure and risk. and when tneee— adventure and risk. and when tneee tntnge— adventure and risk. and when these things come together, tneee— these things come together, tneee tneee — these things come together, these these skills and these twires— these these skills and these tweee et— these these skills and these types of people_ these these skills and these types of people and these resources, you— types of people and these resources, you do sometimes get eeettente— resources, you do sometimes get accidents that— resources, you do sometimes get accidents that that's the nature of exploration.— accidents that that's the nature of exploration. and we're tetttng— of exploration. and we're talking about— of exploration. and we're talking about we're talking eteet— talking about we're talking etent tnttw— talking about we're talking about fully into new areas of teennetegw— about fully into new areas of technology and— about fully into new areas of technology and capability . technology and capability. teen.— technology and capability. yeah, absolutely.- technology and capability. yeah, absolutely. and- technology and capability. yeah, absolutely. and we're talking about fully grown adults in the case, certainly of hamish. you know , billionaire hamish. you know, billionaire bloke with a brain the size of a planet says everybody who's ever met him. we went into this with his eyes wide open. he knew exactly doing and exactly what he was doing and was pay a very, very was willing to pay a very, very handsome for privilege handsome sum for the privilege as well . spoke yesterday to a as well. i spoke yesterday to a chap been on titan chap who'd been on titan and been to see the titanic, been down to see the titanic, thankfully it back. he said thankfully made it back. he said that he'd had to sign a waiver after waiver , which after waiver after waiver, which made abundantly clear that made it abundantly clear that unfortunately, as put it, i'm unfortunately, as he put it, i'm quoting him now, there are 100 different die when different ways to die when you're depths. so he

you're at those depths. so he knew about it completely. and he just i've done what just said, look, i've done what i want to do in my life and i would like to have this experience. did so experience. and he did it. so it's people think , it's not like people i think, were conned into this. they knew what on and they knew what was going on and they knew what was going on and they knew what were. but what the chances were. but james, i think you know, a word to the families of those people now whose worst nightmare may well have come true, james and, you know, another potential , you know, another potential, anyway, disaster at sea, something morbidly poetic about it at that site where the titanic claimed so many lives all those years ago , i think. all those years ago, i think. yes , it goes without saying. yes, it goes without saying. tntnge— yes, it goes without saying. tntnge nnet— yes, it goes without saying. things must be— yes, it goes without saying. things must be extremely tttttentt— things must be extremely difficult for— things must be extremely difficult for friends and family and difficult for friends and family ent ert— difficult for friends and family ent ett tne— difficult for friends and family and all the people who are tnwetwet— and all the people who are involved in— and all the people who are involved in the— and all the people who are involved in the operation and newne— involved in the operation and newte een— involved in the operation and maybe even people who've been tewn— maybe even people who've been tewn te— maybe even people who've been down to titanic— maybe even people who've been down to titanic on— maybe even people who've been down to titanic on on earlier tne— down to titanic on on earlier tne .— down to titanic on on earlier tne . nnt— down to titanic on on earlier the . nnt tn— down to titanic on on earlier the . nnt r-n e— down to titanic on on earlier trip . but i'm a bit wary of trip. but i'm a bit wary of eennenttng— trip. but i'm a bit wary of commenting on the situation . the commenting on the situation. the tentttee— commenting on the situation. the families really,— commenting on the situation. the families really, until we've got more news, you know, debris,

tetne— more news, you know, debris, tetrte .— more news, you know, debris, tetrte . at— more news, you know, debris, debris . at three— more news, you know, debris, debris . at three miles, 24 miles debris. at three miles, 24 miles tetew— debris. at three miles, 24 miles tetew tne— debris. at three miles, 24 miles below the sea— debris. at three miles, 24 miles below the sea ,— debris. at three miles, 24 miles below the sea , very difficult below the sea, very difficult tntng— below the sea, very difficult tntng te— below the sea, very difficult thing to identify , bannau. i thing to identify, bannau. i tntnt— thing to identify, bannau. i tntnt tt— thing to identify, bannau. i think it would— thing to identify, bannau. i think it would be wise to wait tnttt— think it would be wise to wait nnttt we— think it would be wise to wait until we hear— think it would be wise to wait until we hear more from before. etwtenetw— until we hear more from before. etwtenetw ene— until we hear more from before. obviously one feels immense ewneetnw— obviously one feels immense ewneetnw ter— obviously one feels immense sympathy for the— obviously one feels immense sympathy for the family , but the sympathy for the family, but the te net— sympathy for the family, but the case is not closed— sympathy for the family, but the case is not closed yet by any means. no and— case is not closed yet by any means. no “2 case is not closed yet by any means. no ' 2 case is not closed yet by any means. no ““2 case is not closed yet by any means. no ' means. no and just talk to me a bit more about that. i mean, you are, of course, are retired royal navy officer and admiral, you know, you know the seas, you know the areas a bit like this and this this really could be anything. i mean, debris can come from from all areas, can't it really? and especially in those waters . and at that depth, those waters. and at that depth, i mean, this is not a foregone conclusion at the moment, is it? noindeed conclusion at the moment, is it? no indeed not. there's a huge ent— no indeed not. there's a huge ent et— no indeed not. there's a huge amount of debris— no indeed not. there's a huge amount of debris on- \2 22 there's a huge amount of debris on the sea, not teeet— amount of debris on the sea, not teeet et— amount of debris on the sea, not least of which— amount of debris on the sea, not least of which all— amount of debris on the sea, not least of which all the ships tnet— least of which all the ships tnet wee— least of which all the ships that were torpedoed in two world wen tnew— that were torpedoed in two world wen tnew .— that were torpedoed in two world wars, you know , and as we all wars, you know, and as we all tnew.— wars, you know, and as we all knew etenee— wars, you know, and as we all know, planes have— wars, you know, and as we all know, planes have crashed and gene— know, planes have crashed and gone-sea. there's- know, planes have crashed and gone sea. there's a lot gone into the sea. there's a lot of gone into the sea. there's a lot et tetrte— gone into the sea. there's a lot et tetrte en— gone into the sea. there's a lot of debris on the— gone into the sea. there's a lot of debris on the seabed . but of debris on the seabed. but tnet— of debris on the seabed. but tnet eett.— of debris on the seabed. but that said, you—

of debris on the seabed. but that said, you know, the area is tnwetwet.— that said, you know, the area is tnwetwet. are— that said, you know, the area is involved. are absolutely huge. ant— involved. are absolutely huge. ant te— involved. are absolutely huge. ant te ttnt— involved. are absolutely huge. ant te ttnt r— involved. are absolutely huge. and to find i mean, look how teng— and to find i mean, look how teng tt— and to find i mean, look how teng tt teet— and to find i mean, look how long it took to— and to find i mean, look how long it took to find the tttente— long it took to find the titanic. people were looking teettng— titanic. people were looking teettng ter— titanic. people were looking looking for it— titanic. people were looking looking for it for— titanic. people were looking looking for it for years . and looking for it for years. and tnet-e— looking for it for years. and that's that's— looking for it for years. and that's that's a— looking for it for years. and that's that's a huge bit of wreetege— that's that's a huge bit of wreetege .— that's that's a huge bit of wreckage . so— that's that's a huge bit of wreckage . so to have found wreckage. so to have found eenetntng— wreckage. so to have found eenetntng .— wreckage. so to have found something , possibly something something, possibly something tn— something, possibly something tn tne— something, possibly something new in the area— something, possibly something new in the area where they were teettng— new in the area where they were teettng .— new in the area where they were teettng . wen— new in the area where they were looking , you know,— new in the area where they were looking , you know, does begin to looking, you know, does begin to add looking, you know, does begin to ett we.— looking, you know, does begin to ett ne. etew— looking, you know, does begin to ett ne. etew. wew— looking, you know, does begin to add up. okay. now can i just ask you— add up. okay. now can i just ask wen te— add up. okay. now can i just ask wen te etew— add up. okay. now can i just ask wen te etew en— add up. okay. now can i just ask you to stay on the— add up. okay. now can i just ask you to stay on the line for me for you to stay on the line for me ter e— you to stay on the line for me ter e eeeent— you to stay on the line for me for a second, please, if that's etew.— for a second, please, if that's etew. — for a second, please, if that's etew. nee— for a second, please, if that's okay. he's retired- for a second, please, if that's okay. r2; ”22 ”22 3 for a second, please, if that's okay. r2; "22 a2 okay. he's retired royal navy officer, admiral sir james burnell—nugent there. important to , think exactly to emphasise, i think exactly what it's not what he said there. it's not a foregone it sounds foregone conclusion. it sounds ominous. no two ways ominous. there's no two ways about that. sounds absolutely about that. it sounds absolutely terrible, doesn't it? the us coast guard has and coast guard has come out and said they think they found said that they think they found debris. found debris debris. they have found debris somewhere near the titanic. it's in area . they have in their search area. they have tweeted there will tweeted that. and there will be a press conference at 8 pm, which take here at gb which we will take here at gb news. is a foregone news. but it is not a foregone conclusion because there is so much the ocean and much debris around the ocean and so much else that be so much else that that could be with me now is gareth russell, who's a history adrian and the

author of the ship of dreams. gareth, thank very , very gareth, thank you very, very much. before , again, i was much. and before, again, i was alluding to you there this idea of the titanic itself and i just wonder whether or not this ties into the idea that potentially it should be left alone, it should be a bit left alone, a bit untouchable. i don't know. what do you think? that's a great point. i sort of seesaw on tnte— great point. i sort of seesaw on the e— great point. i sort of seesaw on the e ttt— great point. i sort of seesaw on this a bit because— great point. i sort of seesaw on this a bit because i— great point. i sort of seesaw on this a bit because i do- this a bit because i do understand— this a bit because i do understand why people say leave it understand why people say leave tt eenet — understand why people say leave tt eenet rte— understand why people say leave tt eenet rt-e e— understand why people say leave it alone. it's a grave site. but so it alone. it's a grave site. but ee te— it alone. it's a grave site. but ee te tne— it alone. it's a grave site. but so is the tower— it alone. it's a grave site. but so is the tower of— it alone. it's a grave site. but so is the tower of london. and nnntrete— so is the tower of london. and hundreds-people— so is the tower of london. and hundreds people go there hundreds of people go there ewew— hundreds of people go there- every day. there's actually more reente— every day. there's actually more eeeete-et— every day. there's actually more eeeete-et-tewer- people buried at the tower than tnere—ttetl people buried at the tower than| tnere—ttet en there is, you know, that died on there is, you know, that died on tne tttente. — there is, you know, that died on the titanic. but— there is, you know, that died on the titanic. but i— there is, you know, that died on the titanic. but i think if you ett— the titanic. but i think if you ett tnte— the titanic. but i think if you add into that— the titanic. but i think if you add into that ,— the titanic. but i think if you add into that , as— the titanic. but i think if you add into that , as sirjames was add into that, as sir james was eewtng.— add into that, as sir james was eewtng. tnet— add into that, as sir james was eewtng. tnet tne— add into that, as sir james was saying, that the extra ordinary ent— saying, that the extra ordinary ent et— saying, that the extra ordinary amount of debris— saying, that the extra ordinary amount of debris and danger that ewrennet tne— amount of debris and danger that surrounds the titanic as both a grewewert— surrounds the titanic as both a grewewert ent— surrounds the titanic as both a grewewert ent e— surrounds the titanic as both a graveyard and a wreck site, i tntnt— graveyard and a wreck site, i think pragmatism probably would tell think pragmatism probably would tett ne— think pragmatism probably would tett we tt— think pragmatism probably would tell us it should— think pragmatism probably would tell us it should only be eeereeenet— tell us it should only be approached with caution. and if tnere— approached with caution. and if tnere ee— approached with caution. and if there are still— approached with caution. and if there are still major things wnen— there are still major things wnten neet— there are still major things which need to— there are still major things which need to be uncovered, you tnew.— which need to be uncovered, you knew te— which need to be uncovered, you knew te tnere— which need to be uncovered, you know, is there an— which need to be uncovered, you know, is there an archaeological rnetttteetten— know, is there an archaeological justification for— know, is there an archaeological justification for further dives tren— justification for further dives tren e— justification for further dives from a historian's perspective , from a historian's perspective, all from a historian's perspective, ett r— from a historian's perspective, ett r een— from a historian's perspective,

all i can tell— from a historian's perspective, all i can tell you— from a historian's perspective, all i can tell you is all the nret-e— all i can tell you is all the major questions- all i can tell you is all the major questions about what nettenet— major questions about what neeeenet te— major questions about what happened to the titanic on the ntgnt— happened to the titanic on the ntgnt tt— happened to the titanic on the ntgnt tt eent— happened to the titanic on the night it sank and— happened to the titanic on the night it sank and since have teen— night it sank and since have been answered— night it sank and since have been answered by by previous twee.— been answered by by previous ttwee. se— been answered by by previous ttwee. se r— been answered by by previous dives. so i think— been answered by by previous dives. so i think yes , it dives. so i think yes, it eretettw— dives. so i think yes, it probably should be approached for probably should be approached ter e— probably should be approached ter e wertetw— probably should be approached for a variety of— probably should be approached for a variety of reasons with etree— for a variety of reasons with extreme caution. 32222 extreme caution. well, that is fascinating because in your with your historians hat on, i would have maybe assumed that you would think that, oh, well, you know, just keep sending people down there. but you make a good point, which is that maybe we already pretty much already know. so pretty much everything there is to know about titanic. therefore or about the titanic. therefore or is it some kind of very dangerous vanity project? is that where you're at at that maybe where you're at at the minute? a bit. i think i think so. i mean, i'm not someone who— think so. i mean, i'm not someone who is- i mean, i'm not someone who is much of a thrill eeeet— someone who is much of a thrill eeeet tn— someone who is much of a thrill eeeet tn nw— someone who is much of a thrill seeker in my travels. so, you tnew.— seeker in my travels. so, you knew ee— seeker in my travels. so, you knew ee tnew— seeker in my travels. so, you know, as they say, different etretee— know, as they say, different strokes, different folks. i. mean,_interested mean, everyone's interested and reeeente—l responds to different things. nnt— responds to different things. nnt-wnen— responds to different things. but-whenlis- responds to different things. but-whenlis at- responds to different things. but when is at a depth but but when it is at a depth wtere— but but when it is at a depth wnere eete— but but when it is at a depth where 90% or— but but when it is at a depth where 90% or a— but but when it is at a depth where 90% or a very high eereentege— where 90% or a very high percentage of— where 90% or a very high percentage of the world's submarines— percentage of the world's submarines physically cannot teeen— submarines physically cannot reeen rt.— submarines physically cannot reeen t. tt— submarines physically cannot reach it, it maybe is nature's wav— reach it, it maybe is nature's wew et— reach it, it maybe is nature's wew et tetttng—

reach it, it maybe is nature's way of telling you to approach on way of telling you to approach en tentet— way of telling you to approach on bended knee— way of telling you to approach on bended knee as it were. i ten-t— on bended knee as it were. i ten-t tntnt— on bended knee as it were. i don't think that— on bended knee as it were. i don't think that there is any substantial— don't think that there is any substantial archaeological find tnet— substantial archaeological find tnet eentt— substantial archaeological find that could justify the cost and the that could justify the cost and tne tenger— that could justify the cost and the danger that— that could justify the cost and the danger that goes into going to the danger that goes into going te tne— the danger that goes into going to the titanic— the danger that goes into going to the titanic anymore . in the to the titanic anymore. in the wew. wen— to the titanic anymore. in the same way, you know, if we're teettng— same way, you know, if we're teettng et— same way, you know, if we're teettng et en— same way, you know, if we're looking at an unwrapping a mummy in looking at an unwrapping a mummy tn enetent— looking at an unwrapping a mummy in ancient egyptian— looking at an unwrapping a mummy in ancient egyptian mummy, once wee— in ancient egyptian mummy, once wee get— in ancient egyptian mummy, once wee get ett— in ancient egyptian mummy, once you've got all the— in ancient egyptian mummy, once you've got all the information out you've got all the information ent et— you've got all the information ent et rt.— you've got all the information ent et tt. wen— you've got all the information out of it, you don't keep teneenng— out of it, you don't keep tampering-it.- out of it, you don't keep tampering it. and that's tampering with it. and that's not tampering with it. and that's net te— tampering with it. and that's net te eew— tampering with it. and that's not to say that, _ tampering with it. and that's not to say that, you know, microbiologists- not to say that, you know, microbiologists aren't interested— microbiologists aren't interested life microbiologists aren't- interested-life forms interested in the life forms tnet— interested in the life forms tnet tne— interested in the life forms that the .the - interested in the life forms that the the famous that the rust, the famous rnettetee— that the rust, the famous rusticles that— that the rust, the famous rusticles that are growing off the rusticles that are growing off tne tttente— rusticles that are growing off tne tttente .— rusticles that are growing off the titanic . of— rusticles that are growing off the titanic . of course there are the titanic. of course there are etttt— the titanic. of course there are still scientific— the titanic. of course there are still scientific questions, but wnetner— still scientific questions, but whether those _ still scientific questions, but whether those are question ones tnet— whether those are question ones tnet ee— whether those are question ones that are significant enough to rnetttw— that are significant enough to rnetttw tne— that are significant enough to justify the frequencies of these tnee— justify the frequencies of these trtee .— justify the frequencies of these trtee . tn— justify the frequencies of these tnee. tn tnet— justify the frequencies of these trips , i'm just not— justify the frequencies of these trips , i'm just not convinced at trips, i'm just not convinced at ett— trips, i'm just not convinced at ett. ant— trips, i'm just not convinced at ett. ant r— trips, i'm just not convinced at all. and i think— trips, i'm just not convinced at all. and i think also we have to teer— all. and i think also we have to teer tn— all. and i think also we have to teer tn ntnt— all. and i think also we have to bear in mind that— all. and i think also we have to bear in mind that as a tribute to bear in mind that as a tribute te tne— bear in mind that as a tribute to the titanic's_ bear in mind that as a tribute to the titanic's creators , as to the titanic's creators, as tte— to the titanic's creators, as tt-e etttt— to the titanic's creators, as tt-e etttt tn— to the titanic's creators, as it's still in remarkable condition— it's still in remarkable condition for- it's still in remarkable condition for a 111 year old enwwew— condition for a 111 year old shipwreck. but— condition for a 111 year old shipwreck. but it's still a 111 weer— shipwreck. but it's still a 111 weer ett— shipwreck. but it's still a 111 year old shipwreck. and it is disintegrating. _ year old shipwreck. and it is disintegrating. and if you even tntnt— disintegrating. and if you even tntnt eteet— disintegrating. and if you even think about sort— disintegrating. and if you even think about sort of those iconic enete— think about sort of those iconic enete et— think about sort of those iconic enete et tne— think about sort of those iconic shots of the bow,— think about sort of those iconic shots of the bow, if you go back to shots of the bow, if you go back te wtere—

shots of the bow, if you go back to where submarines used to be eete— to where submarines used to be ette te— to where submarines used to be ette te eet.— to where submarines used to be able to rest, they— to where submarines used to be able to rest, they can't anymore teeenee— able to rest, they can't anymore teeenee tne— able to rest, they can't anymore because the-have- because the rooves have eetteeeet— because the rooves have collapsed. if— because the rooves have collapsed. if look because the rooves have collapsed. if-look think collapsed. if you look and think eteet— collapsed. if you look and think etent ett— collapsed. if you look and think about all the— collapsed. if you look and think about all the marble fixtures tnet— about all the marble fixtures tnet ee— about all the marble fixtures that are .the _ about all the marble fixtures that arelthe first- about all the marble fixtures that are the first class that are in the first class tetnreene— that are in the first class bathrooms could fall out if bathrooms that could fall out if tneee— bathrooms that could fall out if tneee wette— bathrooms that could fall out if those walls give— bathrooms that could fall out if those walls give way, there are so those walls give way, there are ee nenw— those walls give way, there are so many different— those walls give way, there are so many different ways . and for so many different ways. and for the so many different ways. and for tne ter— so many different ways. and for tne ter tne— so many different ways. and for the for the ship— so many different ways. and for the for the ship to— so many different ways. and for the for the ship to still pose a wew— the for the ship to still pose a werw eetene— the for the ship to still pose a very serious danger, you know, it's very serious danger, you know, tt-e ee— very serious danger, you know, tt-e ee tree. — very serious danger, you know, tt-e ee tree. r— very serious danger, you know, it's so true. i mean- very serious danger, you know, it's so true. i mean ,- very serious danger, you know, it's so true. “ it's so true. i mean, at the moment, the speculation is just that. but it is speculation that there may well have been some implosion. that's because of the pressure that's. let's be honest, would be the obvious. that thing. that would be the obvious thing. but you've just rightly identified it identified that actually it could well be other elements to this that potential this as well. and that potential implosion could have been caused by from the titanic by debris from the titanic itself, giving way on coming on it, not just the pressure. and it, not just the pressure. and it is such a risky site to take, part of which i suppose is also part of which i suppose is also part of which i suppose is also part of the attraction as well. look, gareth, thank you very , look, gareth, thank you very, very much. it's been incredible to kind of get your historic

knowledge on it all, really, and all the best to chat to you again soon. gareth russell, who is a historian and the author of the ship of dreams. i'm just going to to now . paul going to go to paul now. paul hawkins, national hawkins, who's our national reporter, and just paul for people who are just tuning in, who watching, who were just watching, just listening, very listening, what is the very latest, news on the latest, the breaking news on the titan sub . so the very latest titan sub. so the very latest tnet— titan sub. so the very latest news that we _ titan sub. so the very latest news that we have- 2“ so the very latest news that we have that broke erent— news that we have that broke around about— news that we have that broke around about just before five, i tntnt— around about just before five, i tntnt tt— around about just before five, i tntnt t we— around about just before five, i tntnt tt .— around about just before five, i think it was , was— around about just before five, i think it was , was a tweet from think it was, was a tweet from tne— think it was, was a tweet from tne us— think it was, was a tweet from tne us teeet— think it was, was a tweet from the us coast guard that a debris nett— the us coast guard that a debris ttett wee— the us coast guard that a debris field was discovered and these are field was discovered and these tne— field was discovered and these tne eteet— field was discovered and these are the exact words from the tweet— are the exact words from the tweet .— are the exact words from the tweet . tne— are the exact words from the tweet . the debris field was tweet. the debris field was discovered— tweet. the debris field was discovered within the search tw— discovered within the search tw en— discovered within the search area by an rov.— discovered within the search area by an rov. that's a renetetw— area by an rov. that's a remotely operated vehicle near the remotely operated vehicle near tne tttente. — remotely operated vehicle near the titanic. experts within the trntttet— the titanic. experts within the unified command, that's the ceeetgnert— unified command, that's the coastguard and— unified command, that's the coastguard and the military, tetn— coastguard and the military, tetn tne— coastguard and the military, tetn tne us— coastguard and the military, both the us and canadian unified cennent— both the us and canadian unified cennent et— both the us and canadian unified command at boston are evaluating the information— command at boston are evaluating the information .— command at boston are evaluating the information . and there is the information. and there is a weee— the information. and there is a press conference— the information. and there is a press conference that will be nett— press conference that will be nett et— press conference that will be nett et 3— press conference that will be nett et e en.— press conference that will be held at 3 pm. east standard ttne— held at 3 pm. east standard ttne. tnet-e— held at 3 pm. east standard time. that's 8— held at 3 pm. east standard time. that's 8 pm. uk time.

held at 3 pm. east standard time. that's 8 pm. uk time . and time. that's 8 pm. uk time. and we tnet— time. that's 8 pm. uk time. and we tnet te— time. that's 8 pm. uk time. and we tnet te tne— time. that's 8 pm. uk time. and we that is the only— time. that's 8 pm. uk time. and we that is the only information we that is the only information we newe— we that is the only information we newe tren — we that is the only information we have from them at the moment . rte— we have from them at the moment . rt-e teen— we have from them at the moment . it's been found— we have from them at the moment . it's been found by— we have from them at the moment . it's been found by an rov . . it's been found by an rov. tnet-e— . it's been found by an rov. tnet-e e— . it's been found by an rov. that's a remotely operated wettete— that's a remotely operated vehicle. that's— that's a remotely operated vehicle. that's the two that two tnet— vehicle. that's the two that two more that have— vehicle. that's the two that two more that have been sent down tetew— more that have been sent down tetew tnet— more that have been sent down today that have— more that have been sent down today that have been combing the eeetet— today that have been combing the eeetet .— today that have been combing the eeetet . ant— today that have been combing the seabed . and one— today that have been combing the seabed . and one of— today that have been combing the seabed . and one of them, seabed. and one of them, a trenen— seabed. and one of them, a tent ene— seabed. and one of them, a french one victor, 6000, very sophisticated _ french one victor, 6000, very sophisticated bit— french one victor, 6000, very sophisticated bit of equipment can sophisticated bit of equipment eretnee— sophisticated bit of equipment can produce high resolution tnegee— can produce high resolution tnegee. wew— can produce high resolution images, very sophisticated sound teteetten— images, very sophisticated sound teteetten tn— images, very sophisticated sound detection in as— images, very sophisticated sound detection in as well. it's got twe— detection in as well. it's got twe renete— detection in as well. it's got two robotic arms— detection in as well. it's got two robotic arms i'm not sure eteet— two robotic arms i'm not sure etent exeettw— two robotic arms i'm not sure about exactly about the eeeetttttw— about exactly about the capability of— about exactly about the capability of it to retrieve ttte— capability of it to retrieve ttte et— capability of it to retrieve bits of debris— capability of it to retrieve bits of debris back to the surface. clearly we know that tne— surface. clearly we know that the visibility _ surface. clearly we know that the visibility in— surface. clearly we know that the visibility in the sea was erettw— the visibility in the sea was erettw geet.— the visibility in the sea was pretty good. today is very dark tewn— pretty good. today is very dark tewn tnere. — pretty good. today is very dark down there. but— pretty good. today is very dark down there. but they do have a you— down there. but they do have a wee tnew.— down there. but they do have a wee tnew. ntgn— down there. but they do have a you know, high, high powered ttgnte— you know, high, high powered ttgnte tewn— you know, high, high powered lights down there as well . it lights down there as well. it went— lights down there as well. it wentt newe— lights down there as well. it would have been able to get some tnegee— would have been able to get some tnegee teet— would have been able to get some tnegee teet te— would have been able to get some images back to the— would have been able to get some images back to the crew who were at images back to the crew who were et-netnerente— images back to the crew who were at-mothership ship— images back to the crew who were at mothership ship tethered at the mothership ship tethered to . at the mothership ship tethered te-. ene— at the mothership ship tethered to-. one would- at the mothership ship tethered to . one would have to victor. one would have tnengnt— to victor. one would have tnengnt tnew— to victor. one would have thought they would like to try ent— thought they would like to try and retrieve— thought they would like to try and retrieve some of those eteeee— and retrieve some of those eteeee tnet— and retrieve some of those eteeee rnet te— and retrieve some of those pieces just to identify first

nent— pieces just to identify first nent new— pieces just to identify first hand how easy— pieces just to identify first hand how easy it is to take tneee— hand how easy it is to take tneee eteeee— hand how easy it is to take those pieces back to the surface . en.— those pieces back to the surface . trn. rernetne— those pieces back to the surface . um, remains to— those pieces back to the surface . um, remains to be— those pieces back to the surface . um, remains to be seen. i know we eeeettng— . um, remains to be seen. i know we were speaking to— . um, remains to be seen. i know we were speaking to mike earlier and we were speaking to mike earlier ent ne— we were speaking to mike earlier ent ne wee— we were speaking to mike earlier and he was saying— we were speaking to mike earlier and he was saying that they went— and he was saying that they wentt tree— and he was saying that they wentt tree e— and he was saying that they would drop a line down there, tnen— would drop a line down there, tnen ee— would drop a line down there, then use that— would drop a line down there, then use that line to, to, to get— then use that line to, to, to gret tne — then use that line to, to, to gret tne eteee— then use that line to, to, to grab the piece and then the renet— grab the piece and then the robot would— grab the piece and then the robot would then help manoeuvre it robot would then help manoeuvre tt teet— robot would then help manoeuvre tt teet ne— robot would then help manoeuvre tt teet en te— robot would then help manoeuvre it back up to the— robot would then help manoeuvre it back up to the surface. but you— it back up to the surface. but wen wentt— it back up to the surface. but you would have— it back up to the surface. but you would have they you would have thought they went— you would have thought they wentt—tt- you would have thought they| would—it first would want to identify it first by would want to identify it first tw-tnen — would want to identify it first by then secondly by sight and then secondly by nent— by sight and then secondly by tent-wen- by sight and then secondly by hand.-you would. by sight and then secondly by hand. you would have hand. yeah. and you would have tnengnt— hand. yeah. and you would have thought-before— hand. yeah. and you would have thought before said thought that before they said in this thought that before they said ini ttte—rtee this tweet they'd have some idea tnet— this tweet they'd have some idea tnet tnew-t— this tweet they'd have some idea that they'd have— this tweet they'd have some idea that they'd have something to eew—te- that they'd have something to eew—te etee- that they'd have something toi say._to 8:00 this say. when we get to 8:00 this ewentng. — say. when we get to 8:00 this. ewentng. _tnent evening. 100. look, paul, thank you for all of that. you very much for all of that. it's paul hawkins, our national reporter, very shortly i'm going it's paul hawkins, our national re|throw very shortly i'm going it's paul hawkins, our national re|throw your shortly i'm going it's paul hawkins, our national re|throw you overrtly i'm going it's paul hawkins, our national re|throw you over to' i'm going it's paul hawkins, our national re|throw you over to michelleg to throw you over to michelle dewberry but in light dewberry dewbs& co. but in light of breaking news about the of this breaking news about the titanic, , this wreckage titanic, sorry, this wreckage being found, debris being found near the wreckage of the titanic, think it's titanic, i just think it's worthwhile a worthwhile just sparing a thought people thought for all of those people who were on board that vessel. god bless them .

well we've got an exciting bunch . what can i say? ladies and

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