the tailcone of the discovered the tailcone of the titan submersible . approximately titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor . so as titanic on the seafloor. so as the story of these daring- the story of these daring adventures— the story of these daring adventures comes to a tragic end , and— adventures comes to a tragic end , and why— adventures comes to a tragic end , and why has— adventures comes to a tragic end , and why has the— adventures comes to a tragic end , and why has the left been attempting— , and why has the left been tttemptttg to— , and why has the left been attempting to politicise this tragedy— attempting to politicise this tragedy t — attempting to politicise this tragedy e tat— attempting to politicise this tragedy .7 for the- attempting to politicise this tragedy .7 . ti attempting to politicise this tragedy .7 ” ti“ tit?" tragedy? for the super rich can spend £250,000 on vanity jaunts a 2.4 miles beneath the ocean. then they're not being taxed enough— then they're not being taxed enaagt .— then they're not being taxed eaeagt . wett— then they're not being taxed enough . well, in my digest next, enough. well, in my digest next, i'll celebrate,— enough. well, in my digest next, i'll celebrate, not— enough. well, in my digest next, i'll celebrate, not demonise the tee— i'll celebrate, not demonise the ttvee at— i'll celebrate, not demonise the lives of these— i'll celebrate, not demonise the lives of these brave fallen exgtatete— lives of these brave fallen exgtetete . — lives of these brave fallen explorers . and- lives of these brave fallen explorers . ' “t: a lives of these brave fallen explorers . ' .. gi. lives of these brave fallen explorers . ' .. gti. explorers. and i'll get the reaction of my superstar panel. and tonight , i'm joined by carol and tonight, i'm joined by carol mcgiffin making his debut. the former conservator , cabinet former conservator, cabinet minister, ranil jayawardena and amy nicholl also on the way tonight as writer and politician, sir trevor phillips launches a stinging attack on the sussexes, saying they squandered a golden opportunity

to showcase the uk's inclusivity . is he right that quote , no one . is he right that quote, no one cared about meghan's race? top political and social commentators joanna jarjue, samantha smith and chris rose all do battle in the clash. also breaking tonight, a bombshell new yougov poll has meghan markle's approval rating at an all time low . and after a week all time low. and after a week from hell for the duchess, including a spotify dumping and dior snubs her montecito majesty all out of star power, my royal masterminds, lady colin campbell and richard fitzwilliams give their expert opinions . and after their expert opinions. and after elton john came to the defence of phillip schofield this week, his partner, david furnish, has also claimed the ex. this morning presenter is a victim of homophobia. i morning presenter is a victim of homophobia . i think what was homophobia. i think what was tettttytng— homophobia. i think what was tettttytag ta — homophobia. i think what was horrifying to watch _ i think what was horrifying to watch was what i watta— horrifying to watch was what i waatt catt— horrifying to watch was what i waatt eatt a— horrifying to watch was what i would call a disproportionate response within— would call a disproportionate response within certain levels of response within certain levels at the— response within certain levels at the meta— response within certain levels of the media where it was watttett— of the media where it was written about— of the media where it was written about over and over and over , where they— written about over and over and over , where they were piling on

over, where they were piling on for over, where they were piling on tat taye— over, where they were piling on tat taye. ant— over, where they were piling on for days. and then— over, where they were piling on for days. and then weeks. so has setattett— for days. and then weeks. so has schofield really— for days. and then weeks. so has schofield really been targeted empty— schofield really been targeted etmgty tat— schofield really been targeted etmgty tat tetag— schofield really been targeted simply for being gay ? simply for being gay? fleet stteet— simply for being gay? fleet stteet tan— simply for being gay? fleet street icon kelvin mackenzie is outraged by that assertion. he hits back in uncanceled . also on hits back in uncanceled. also on the way, the bank of england sparks an economic tidal wave with an interest rate rise to 5. so with millions of brits now facing financial ruin, is this rishi sunak mensis horribilis the month when his government's house of cards finally comes crashing down. we'll debate that assessment from the sunday telegraph editor in the media buzz and watch out. woke folk of the world jk rowling in elon musk have joined forces to combat the term cis gender. former tory minister ann widdecombe joins me to react as she dares us the trans lobby to call her a cis woman. you'll also get a first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages as they drop as ever new greatest britain union jack has lasted the week before. the night is out this is dan wootton tonight. let's go .

tonight. let's go. this is gb news. britain's news channel. and breaking tonight , channel. and breaking tonight, the story that's gripped the world has concluded with the tragic news we all feared most . tragic news we all feared most. it can be confirmed as we come on air that the missing titans submarine has indeed been lost at sea despite the heroic efforts of brave multinational rescue teams who work tirelessly to bring home those five souls on board. now, a statement released by oceangate, the sub's owner read. tonight we now believe that our ceo , stockton believe that our ceo, stockton rush shahzada dawood and his son suleman dawood hamish harding and paul henry nick hewer have sadly been lost . both these men sadly been lost. both these men were true explorers who shared a

distinct spirit of adventure and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world's oceans. our hearts are with these five souls and every member of their family during this tragic time. we grieve the loss of life and joy we grieve the loss of life and joy they brought to everyone they knew . i'll have a special they knew. i'll have a special digest on this tragedy straight after all the latest on the developing story with our polly middlehurst . developing story with our polly middlehurst. dan, developing story with our polly middlehurst . dan, thank you. middlehurst. dan, thank you. wett— middlehurst. dan, thank you. wett that— middlehurst. dan, thank you. wett that tag— middlehurst. dan, thank you. well, that top story- it: 3: dan, thank you. well, that top story tonight, more detail— well, that top story tonight, more detail on— well, that top story tonight, more detail on that for you now. the— more detail on that for you now. the expettttan— more detail on that for you now. the expedition company of the man— the expedition company of the titan submersible submersible oceaneate,— titan submersible submersible oceangate, as— titan submersible submersible oceangate, as you heard say, they— oceangate, as you heard say, they tetteve— oceangate, as you heard say, they believe the— oceangate, as you heard say, they believe the pilot and four paeeeagete— they believe the pilot and four paeeeagete att— they believe the pilot and four passengers on board are likely to te— passengers on board are likely to be confirmed— passengers on board are likely to be confirmed dead . ocean gate to be confirmed dead. ocean gate pttat— to be confirmed dead. ocean gate tttat ant— to be confirmed dead. ocean gate nttet ant cto— to be confirmed dead. ocean gate pilot and ceo stockton, rush uk etttzene— pilot and ceo stockton, rush uk citizens hamish— pilot and ceo stockton, rush uk citizens hamish harding, shazad danett— citizens hamish harding, shazad oanaat ant— citizens hamish harding, shazad dawood and his— citizens hamish harding, shazad dawood and his son sulaiman and ttenen— dawood and his son sulaiman and french national— dawood and his son sulaiman and french national paul henry neatty— french national paul henry neatty teet—

french national paul henry nearly lost contact on sunday as the submersible— nearly lost contact on sunday as the submersible headed down anten— the submersible headed down antet tne— the submersible headed down under the ocean— the submersible headed down under the ocean 12,000ft below to new— under the ocean 12,000ft below to tne— under the ocean 12,000ft below to view the wreck— under the ocean 12,000ft below to view the wreck of the titanic . tne— to view the wreck of the titanic . tne us— to view the wreck of the titanic . the us coastguard say their teens— . the us coastguard say their tattee nay— . the us coastguard say their bodies may never— . the us coastguard say their bodies may never be recovered . bodies may never be recovered. tenatety— bodies may never be recovered. remotely operated vehicles will at— remotely operated vehicles will at tne— remotely operated vehicles will remain at the scene, we understand,— remain at the scene, we understand, to- remain at the scene, we understand, to help develop a nttet— understand, to help develop a wider timeline _ understand, to help develop a wider timeline of— understand, to help develop a wider timeline of what may have nannenet— wider timeline of what may have nannenet ta— wider timeline of what may have nannenet ta tne— wider timeline of what may have happened to the submersible. teat— happened to the submersible. rear admiral— happened to the submersible. rear admiral john mauger says the rear admiral john mauger says tne tne— rear admiral john mauger says the five pieces— rear admiral john mauger says the five pieces of— rear admiral john mauger says the five pieces of debris found in the five pieces of debris found tn tne— the five pieces of debris found in the search— the five pieces of debris found in the search for— the five pieces of debris found in the search for the missing eat— in the search for the missing eat eatttet— in the search for the missing sub earlier today— in the search for the missing sub earlier today were consistent— sub earlier today were consistent with a catastrophic tene— consistent with a catastrophic taee at— consistent with a catastrophic taee at tne— consistent with a catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber. an toy— loss of the pressure chamber. an new at— loss of the pressure chamber. an new at remote— loss of the pressure chamber. an rov or remote operated vehicle tran— rov or remote operated vehicle ttann tne— rov or remote operated vehicle from the vessel— rov or remote operated vehicle from the vessel horizon arctic tteeatetet— from the vessel horizon arctic discovered the _ from the vessel horizon arctic discovered the tailcone of the tttan — discovered the tailcone of the titan submersible . approximately titan submersible. approximately eaoon— titan submersible. approximately eaoonttan— titan submersible. approximately 6300ft from the _ titan submersible. approximately 6300ft from the bow of the mana— 6300ft from the bow of the tttante an — 6300ft from the bow of the titanic on the— 6300ft from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor . 31] titanic on the seafloor. the rov sate— titanic on the seafloor. the rov eats tecentty— titanic on the seafloor. the rov subs recently found additional debnsin subs recently found additional debris in consultation with experts from within the unified

command. the debris is consistent with the catastrophic loss acas of the pressure chamber . the well following that chamber. the well following that sad news tonight, today's other top story, the bank of england today increased the interest rate by half a percentage point to 5. that's the highest rate in 15 to 5. that's the highest rate in ts yeate— to 5. that's the highest rate in ts yeate ae— to 5. that's the highest rate in ts yeate ae tne— to 5. that's the highest rate in 15 years as the bank- it that's the highest rate in 15 years as the bank tries to taette— 15 years as the bank tries to tackle ongoing— 15 years as the bank tries to tackle ongoing inflation. ian, the tackle ongoing inflation. ian, tne tank-e— tackle ongoing inflation. ian, the bank's governor, andrew nattey— the bank's governor, andrew nattey, went— the bank's governor, andrew bailey, went on— the bank's governor, andrew bailey, went on line to say tnttattan— bailey, went on line to say inflation is— bailey, went on line to say inflation is still— bailey, went on line to say inflation is still too high and meet— inflation is still too high and meet te— inflation is still too high and must be dealt— inflation is still too high and must be dealt with. but he added,— must be dealt with. but he added, tt— must be dealt with. but he added, if we— must be dealt with. but he added, if we don't raise rates tt— added, if we don't raise rates tt canta— added, if we don't raise rates now, it could be— added, if we don't raise rates now, it could be worse later. tt-e— now, it could be worse later. we tne— now, it could be worse later. we tne ta— now, it could be worse later. it's the 13 ninth— now, it could be worse later. it's the 13 ninth time in a row tne— it's the 13 ninth time in a row tne tant— it's the 13 ninth time in a row tne tant nae— it's the 13 ninth time in a row the bank has increased the tnteteet— the bank has increased the interest rate. _ the bank has increased the interest rate. the labour teaten— interest rate. the labour leader, sir— interest rate. the labour leader, sir keir starmer, says tt-e— leader, sir keir starmer, says tt-e g— leader, sir keir starmer, says tt-e g yeate— leader, sir keir starmer, says it's 13 years of— leader, sir keir starmer, says it's 13 years of government tattere— it's 13 years of government tattate .— it's 13 years of government failure . but— it's 13 years of government failure . but speaking to failure. but speaking to warehouse— failure. but speaking to warehouse workers in kent eatttet— warehouse workers in kent eatttet an— warehouse workers in kent earlier on today, the prime tttntetet— earlier on today, the prime minister rishi _ earlier on today, the prime minister rishi sunak said tnete-e— minister rishi sunak said tnete-e na— minister rishi sunak said there's no easy fix. but halving tnttattan— there's no easy fix. but halving inflation was— there's no easy fix. but halving inflation was still— there's no easy fix. but halving inflation was still his top nnanty— inflation was still his top nnanty . — inflation was still his top priority . t “g inflation was still his top- priority . rooting out inflation priority. rooting out inflation is not easy. it requires difficult decisions, doesn't happen overnight. but if we

don't get on top of it, it will just get worse and it would last longer. and that's not going to do anyone any favours. it's not going to be good for you and your families in the long run. and even though it means i have to make some difficult decisions, type of decisions, that's the type of prime minister i am because i want to do the right thing for you and your families in the long term. 20,000 railway netetet— long term. 20,000 railway workers-they'll. long term. 20,000 railway workers-they'll on workers have said they'll go on etnte—getng- workers have said they'll go on etnte—getng tel strike today. they're going to do strike today. they're going to te-tntee— strike today. they're going to do-three days- strike today. they're going to do three days next month. do it for three days next month. tne— do it for three days next month. tne tttt— do it for three days next month. the rmt union— do it for three days next month. the rmt union announced the rmt union has announced tntaetnat— the rmt union has announced industrial action— the rmt union has announced industrial action on the 2022 ant— industrial action on the 2022 ant zetn— industrial action on the 2022 ant zttn et— industrial action on the 2022 and 29th of july. _ industrial action on the 2022 and 29th of july. the strikes eetnette— and 29th of july. the strikes coincide with— and 29th of july. the strikes coincide with major sporting eteent— coincide with major sporting eteent nttn— coincide with major sporting events with the _ coincide with major sporting events with the open and the testes. — events with the open and the testes. tetn — events with the open and the ashes. both set— events with the open and the ashes. both set to be affected . ashes. both set to be affected. ant— ashes. both set to be affected. ant at— ashes. both set to be affected. ant at teyat— ashes. both set to be affected. and at royal ascot today , one and at royal ascot today, one natttettat— and at royal ascot today, one particular horse _ and at royal ascot today, one particular horse caused a bit of an upset— particular horse caused a bit of an upset at— particular horse caused a bit of an upset at winning the norfolk states— an upset at winning the norfolk states at— an upset at winning the norfolk stakes at odds— an upset at winning the norfolk stakes at odds of— an upset at winning the norfolk stakes at odds of 150 to 1 tattant— stakes at odds of 150 to 1 valiant force— stakes at odds of 150 to 1 valiant force ridden by jockey tees— valiant force ridden by jockey teee tyan— valiant force ridden by jockey ross ryan becomes the longest nneet— ross ryan becomes the longest gneet nttnne— ross ryan becomes the longest priced winner in— ross ryan becomes the longest priced winner in ascot racing ntetety.— priced winner in ascot racing history. meanwhile one of the ttng— history. meanwhile one of the ttng ant— history. meanwhile one of the king and queen's horses, desert tene— king and queen's horses, desert nete en— king and queen's horses, desert nete tne— king and queen's horses, desert hero won the king— king and queen's horses, desert hero won the king george. the ttttn— hero won the king george. the ttttn states— hero won the king george. the fifth stakes in— hero won the king george. the fifth stakes in a— hero won the king george. the fifth stakes in a photo finish . fifth stakes in a photo finish. cnattee— fifth stakes in a photo finish. cnattee ant— fifth stakes in a photo finish. charles and camilla looking eeetatte— charles and camilla looking eeetatte ae—

charles and camilla looking ecstatic as they— charles and camilla looking ecstatic as they watched their 18 ecstatic as they watched their te te — ecstatic as they watched their te te t— ecstatic as they watched their 18 to 1 thoroughbred claim wetety— 18 to 1 thoroughbred claim wetety .— 18 to 1 thoroughbred claim victory . you're— 18 to 1 thoroughbred claim victory . you're up to date on tv victory. you're up to date on tv , enttne— victory. you're up to date on tv ,enttne, tatt— victory. you're up to date on tv , online, dab+ radio and the twnetn— , online, dab+ radio and the twnetn agn— , online, dab+ radio and the tunein app. this— , online, dab+ radio and the tunein app. this is. gb news. l we— tunein app. this is. gb news. l we tne— tunein app. this is. gb news. - it's the agonising- tunein app. this is. gb news. - it's the agonising news.| tunein app. this is. gb news.- - it's the agonising news. the tunein app. this is. gb news.- - it's the hadiising news. the tunein app. this is. gb news.- - it's the had been news. the tunein app. this is. gb news.- - it's the had been dreadinge tunein app. this is. gb news.- - it's the had been dreading . whole world had been dreading. tonight, the titan five have sadly been lost after debris was found, including the ocean gate subs landing frame and rear cover details of the devastating discovery were revealed in the last hour from boston by the first coastguard district commander, rear admiral john mauger this morning, an rov or remote operated vehicle from the vessel horizon arctic discovered the tailcone of the titan

submersible. approximately 1600 feet submersible. approximately 1600 teettten— submersible. approximately 1600 teet tten tne— submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the bow— submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the bow of— approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic on feet from the bow of the titanic en tne— feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor— feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor ._ feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor . the rov on the seafloor. the rov subsequently— on the seafloor. the rov subsequently found additional tetne— subsequently found additional tetne tn— subsequently found additional debris in consultation with expens— debris in consultation with exnette tten — debris in consultation with experts from within the unified eennnnant tne— experts from within the unified command. the debris is consistent— command. the debris is consistent with the catastrophic teen— consistent with the catastrophic teee et— consistent with the catastrophic teee et tne — consistent with the catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber unen— loss of the pressure chamber wnen tnte— loss of the pressure chamber upon this determination, we tnnettatety— upon this determination, we immediately notified the tantttee— immediately notified the families on— immediately notified the families on behalf of the united states— families on behalf of the united states coastguard— families on behalf of the united states coastguard and the entire the states coastguard and the entire tne wntttet— states coastguard and the entire the unified command . i offer my the unified command. i offer my teeneet— the unified command. i offer my deepest condolences to the tantty— deepest condolences to the tantty .— deepest condolences to the tantty . we— deepest condolences to the family. his that was not deepest condolences to the family . his that was not what we family. his that was not what we wantet— family. his that was not what we wantet te— family. his that was not what we wanted to hear— family. his that was not what we wanted to hear all— family. his that was not what we wanted to hear all week we've teen— wanted to hear all week we've teen netttng— wanted to hear all week we've been holding our— wanted to hear all week we've been holding our collective tteatn— been holding our collective tteatn ant— been holding our collective breath and hoping for an wntttety— breath and hoping for an unlikely miracle, especially wttn— unlikely miracle, especially wttn tne— unlikely miracle, especially with the news— unlikely miracle, especially with the news that sos signals ant— with the news that sos signals ant teat— with the news that sos signals and loud banging had been

teteetet— and loud banging had been teteetet . — and loud banging had been detected . ad— and loud banging had been detected . ' “j .“ti"ti and loud banging had been detected . ' “j .“ti”ti and loud banging had been- detected . ad but there have also detected. ad but there have also been concerns raised about whether the titan was really up to such a dramatic expedition, especially with this new video released today of a previous voyage suffering a communications failure . after communications failure. after 1000m. scott the pilot detected atattwe— 1000m. scott the pilot detected atattwe tn— 1000m. scott the pilot detected a failure in the— 000“ scott the pilot detected a failure in the communication system — a failure in the communication system .— a failure in the communication system , net— a failure in the communication system , not hearing the system, not hearing the transmission— system, not hearing the transmission on this. so we teat— transmission on this. so we heard nothing. _ transmission on this. so we heard nothing. yeah.- transmission on this. : “3 yeah. what's heard nothing. yeah. what's wett— heard nothing. yeah. what's wettt te— heard nothing. yeah. what's wettt te tn— heard nothing. yeah. what's weird is i'm getting- : “3 yeah. what's weird is i'm getting the pressures right . pressures right. i know i'm communicating with it. i it is vital that we be able to communicate with the surface. otherwise we can get lost and tntt— otherwise we can get lost and tntt tn— otherwise we can get lost and tntt tn tne— otherwise we can get lost and drift in the middle of the ocean . one— drift in the middle of the ocean . one tatt— drift in the middle of the ocean . one last shot— drift in the middle of the ocean . one last shot on _ drift in the middle of the ocean . one last shot on kongsberg us always goes away. okay . while always goes away. okay. while the weights are thrown , the weights are thrown, something happens. oh oh. they get points for having the comm that there is something strange in the weeks ahead. there will be time in the weeks ahead. there will be ttne tet— in the weeks ahead. there will be ttne tea a— ’“ : there will be time for a post—mortem . on be time for a post—mortem. on wnat— be time for a post—mortem. on wnat cntet— be time for a post—mortem. on what chief executive stockton

twen— what chief executive stockton teen wne— what chief executive stockton rush, who went— what chief executive stockton rush, who went down with his sub mav— rush, who went down with his sub nnay nave— rush, who went down with his sub nnay nawe get— rush, who went down with his sub may have got wrong— rush, who went down with his sub may have got wrong , but to see may have got wrong, but to see the may have got wrong, but to see tne nate— may have got wrong, but to see the hate filled _ may have got wrong, but to see the hate filled left— may have got wrong, but to see the hate filled left exploiting tnn— the hate filled left exploiting tnte ttagety— the hate filled left exploiting this tragedy to _ the hate filled left exploiting this tragedy to try and stop tatte— this tragedy to try and stop future pioneering missions by net— future pioneering missions by rich explorers— future pioneering missions by rich explorers has been etetentng— rich explorers has been sickening to— rich explorers has been sickening to me. like the left wtng— sickening to me. like the left wtng agttatet— sickening to me. like the left wing agitator ash sarkar , the wing agitator ash sarkar, the eaten— wing agitator ash sarkar, the enter nan— wing agitator ash sarkar, the super rich can— wing agitator ash sarkar, the super rich can spend £250,000 on tantty— super rich can spend £250,000 on tantty ttenee— super rich can spend £250,000 on vanity drones to _ super rich can spend £250,000 on vanity drones to point four nttee— vanity drones to point four miles beneath— vanity drones to point four miles beneath the ocean . ”tct miles beneath the ocean. then they-te— miles beneath the ocean. then tney-te net— miles beneath the ocean. then they're not being— miles beneath the ocean. then they're not being taxed enough. how utterly repugnant . she was how utterly repugnant. she was joined by the labour— ....t;1”.t 3 she was joined by the labour councillor, ttetty— joined by the labour councillor, ttetty nattey— joined by the labour councillor, ttetty nattey .— joined by the labour councillor, freddy bailey , a— joined by the labour councillor, freddy bailey , a billionaire who freddy bailey, a billionaire who is freddy bailey, a billionaire who te nteetng— freddy bailey, a billionaire who te nteetng at— freddy bailey, a billionaire who is missing at sea,— freddy bailey, a billionaire who is missing at sea, viewing the mana— is missing at sea, viewing the tttante te— is missing at sea, viewing the titanic is front— is missing at sea, viewing the titanic is front page news. 1500 titanic is front page news. 300 ntgtantt— titanic is front page news. 300 ntgtantt tte— titanic is front page news. 300 migrants die in— titanic is front page news. 300 migrants die in a— titanic is front page news. 300 migrants die in a boat off the coast of greece and the british media talks about them like they aren't human. such attempts to nettttetee— aren't human. such attempts to politicise this— aren't human. such attempts to politicise this tragedy- iii“ . it?“ such attempts to politicise this tragedy should not politicise this tragedy should net te — politicise this tragedy should not be dignified . it says not be dignified. it says ewetytntng— not be dignified. it says everything about their side of nettttee— everything about their side of pettttee. se— everything about their side of politics. so tonight, my

tnewgnte— politics. so tonight, my thoughts are- politics. so tonight, my thoughts are with the families of thoughts are with the families et twen— thoughts are with the families et teen ae— thoughts are with the families of rush as well— thoughts are with the families of rush as well as the london tattetant — of rush as well as the london pakistani shahzada dawood. he was pakistani shahzada dawood. he we.— pakistani shahzada dawood. he ee- we— pakistani shahzada dawood. he was 48. his son— pakistani shahzada dawood. he was 48. his son sulaiman, just 19 was 48. his son sulaiman, just tt yean— was 48. his son sulaiman, just gg yeate ett— was 48. his son sulaiman, just gg yeate ad, a— was 48. his son sulaiman, just 19 years old, a student at strathclyde_ 19 years old, a student at strathclyde university in etaegew— strathclyde university in glasgow, the _ strathclyde university in glasgow, the french navy commander,— glasgow, the french navy commander, paul henri nigel, who was commander, paul henri nigel, who natt— commander, paul henri nigel, who natt et— commander, paul henri nigel, who natt et tne— commander, paul henri nigel, who was part of the first— commander, paul henri nigel, who was part of the first human expedi— was part of the first human expedi mission— was part of the first human expedi mission to the titanic in teet- — expedi mission to the titanic in teet- ne— expedi mission to the titanic in teet- ne wa— expedi mission to the titanic in 1987. he was in— expedi mission to the titanic in 1987. he was in his 70s and of tne— 1987. he was in his 70s and of course the successful british tttttenatte— course the successful british billionaire hamish harding . and billionaire hamiin harding. and i billionaire hamish harding. and ttntnt— billionaire hamish harding. and ttntnt tt-e— billionaire hamish harding. and i think it's essential that the wave— i think it's essential that the brave private _ i think it's essential that the brave private explorers and atentette— brave private explorers and adventurers who spend their own tettwnee— adventurers who spend their own tettwnee te — adventurers who spend their own fortunes to conquer the globe ant— fortunes to conquer the globe ant tnwe— fortunes to conquer the globe and drive forward humanity are not and drive forward humanity are net tenentee— and drive forward humanity are not demonise ised because of tnn— not demonise ised because of this terrible— not demonise ised because of this terrible tragedy . motty but this terrible tragedy. motty but to this terrible tragedy. motty but te teenent— this terrible tragedy. motty but to respond now— this terrible tragedy. motty but to respond now my superstar nanet— to respond now my superstar nanet tennet— to respond now my superstar panel former loose women star, the broadcaster— panel former loose women star, the broadcaster and columnist caret— the broadcaster and columnist carol mcgiffin,_ the broadcaster and columnist carol mcgiffin, the former conservative _ carol mcgiffin, the former conservative cabinet minister nattng— conservative cabinet minister nattng nn— conservative cabinet minister making his debut tonight. ranil tayawattene— making his debut tonight. ranil jayawardene inaya and the author and broadcaster— jayawardene inaya and the author and broadcaster ,_ jayawardene inaya and the author and broadcaster , mr amy nicholl

and broadcaster, mr amy nicholl . g.— and broadcaster, mr amy nicholl . stt tenatt— and broadcaster, mr amy nicholl . sir ronald, this— and broadcaster, mr amy nicholl . sir ronald, this was the news tnat— . sir ronald, this was the news tnat we— . sir ronald, this was the news tnat we wee— . sir ronald, this was the news that we were all— . sir ronald, this was the news that we were all dreading. of tt— that we were all dreading. of course, it was— that we were all dreading. of course, it was becoming nantewtatty— course, it was becoming particularly inevitable . we knew particularly inevitable. we knew tnat— particularly inevitable. we knew tnat tne— particularly inevitable. we knew tnat tne exygen— particularly inevitable. we knew that the oxygen supply ran out at sene— that the oxygen supply ran out at netnt— that the oxygen supply ran out at some point between 9 am. and 11 at some point between 9 am. and w an— at some point between 9 am. and w tnn— at some point between 9 am. and 11 am. this morning.— at some point between 9 am. and 11 am. this morning. but from wnat— 11 am. this morning. but from wnat we-te— 11 am. this morning. but from what we're hearing, it doesn't aetwatty— what we're hearing, it doesn't actually look— what we're hearing, it doesn't actually look like the titan twe— actually look like the titan twe nat— actually look like the titan twe nat te— actually look like the titan five had to suffer, which is maybe— five had to suffer, which is maybe a— five had to suffer, which is maybe a very— five had to suffer, which is maybe a very good thing . / maybe a very good thing. yeah, i int.— maybe a very good thing. yeah, i ttttt. ny— maybe a very good thing. yeah, i mean, first, my thoughts are with the families as well. and that's really what i'd- with the families as well. and that's really what i'd say- . and that's really what i'd say most neegte-e— that's really what i'd say most geepte-e ntnte— that's really what i'd say most people's minds right now, that tneee— people's minds right now, that tneee ate— people's minds right now, that these are people's fathers, ttetnete— these are people's fathers, brothers and _ these are people's fathers, brothers and so- these are people's fathers, brothers and so on. and it is , brothers and so on. and it is, of course, a tragedy. but the tntng— of course, a tragedy. but the one thing that— of course, a tragedy. but the one thing that i— of course, a tragedy. but the one thing that i guess their tantttee— one thing that i guess their families can— one thing that i guess their families can hold to on is they die families can hold to on is they tte tetng— families can hold to on is they die doing what— families can hold to on is they die doing what they loved. yeah, tetng— die doing what they loved. yeah, being adventurous— die doing what they loved. yeah, being adventurous is exploring. you being adventurous is exploring. vet tnew— being adventurous is exploring. vet tnew .— being adventurous is exploring. you know , literally new depths you know, literally new depths for you know, literally new depths tet wen.— you know, literally new depths for them. and _ you know, literally new depths for them. and thankfully it tnat— for them. and thankfully it seems that they didn't suffer at the seems that they didn't suffer at tne tne.— seems that they didn't suffer at tne tne. tat— seems that they didn't suffer at the time. but i— seems that they didn't suffer at the time. but i agree with you . the time. but i agree with you. i the time. but i agree with you. ttwet— the time. but i agree with you. t test ten-t—

the time. but i agree with you. i just don't know— the time. but i agree with you. i just don't know what possesses neente— i just don't know what possesses people te— i just don't know what possesses some people to bring politics tnte— some people to bring politics tnte tnn— some people to bring politics into this tragic,— some people to bring politics into this tragic, tragic event . into this tragic, tragic event. tte— into this tragic, tragic event. we wnetty— into this tragic, tragic event. it's wholly unnecessary . and it's wholly unnecessary. and tantty,— it's wholly unnecessary. and ttantty, t— it's wholly unnecessary. and frankly, i think— it's wholly unnecessary. and frankly, i think some of these neente— frankly, i think some of these neente teet— frankly, i think some of these people just need— frankly, i think some of these people just need to look at themselves— people just need to look at themselves in— people just need to look at themselves in the mirror and go, wett— themselves in the mirror and go, wen, wnat— themselves in the mirror and go, wen, wnat te— themselves in the mirror and go, well, what is it— themselves in the mirror and go, well, what is it that makes me want— well, what is it that makes me want te— well, what is it that makes me want to politicise— well, what is it that makes me want to politicise something so tenan— want to politicise something so human, so personal? but do you teet— human, so personal? but do you even feel like— human, so personal? but do you even feel like that— human, so personal? but do you even feel like that about what the councillor,— even feel like that about what the councillor, the labour councillor— the councillor, the labour councillor ash councillor said? because ash sarkar thing i can sarkar is one thing i can completely that hot at completely park that hot take at the door. not on board with the door. i'm not on board with that at all. but it is the case that at all. but it is the case that we have got to the point where when 500 migrants are drowned the coast drowned off the off the coast of italy, do. do find it italy, we do. we do find it unremarkable now that the reason that sub the titan that the sub the titan expedition has got so much attention is because it is it's undeniably, amazingly remarkable. what's happened there. it's beyond imagination , there. it's beyond imagination, what they went through. well, i want couple of what they went through. well, i want-couple of things. want to say a couple of things attent— want to say a couple of things atewt-tttetty— want to say a couple of things about firstly we've to about this. firstly we've got to stet— about this. firstly we've got to ettet te — about this. firstly we've got to stick to facts— about this. firstly we've got to stick to facts and _ about this. firstly we've got to stick to facts and add 78 people nave— stick to facts and add 78 people nave teen— stick to facts and add 78 people have been confirmed in that tenttte— have been confirmed in that terrible loss— have been confirmed in that terrible loss of— have been confirmed in that terrible loss of life . but terrible loss of life. but tnat-e— terrible loss of life. but tnat-e net— terrible loss of life. but that's not off- terrible loss of life. but that's not off the coast of greece— that's not off the coast of greece .— that's not off the coast of greece . that's- that's not off the coast of greece . that's 78 people have greece. that's 78 people have teen— greece. that's 78 people have been confirmed— greece. that's 78 people have been confirmed dead. it's neeettte—

been confirmed dead. it's possible that— been confirmed dead. it's possible that there were more, but possible that there were more, tat-te— possible that there were more, but-78 confirmed. but there are 78 confirmed tettee— but there are 78 confirmed bodies-said- but there are 78 confirmed- bodies.-said-people bodies. you just said 500 people ttet— bodies. you just said 500 people ttetltet-e— bodies. you just said 500 people died..let's keep— bodies. you just said 500 people died. let's keep everything died. so let's keep everything tnte—tnat- died. so let's keep everything tnte—tnat te- died. so let's keep everything into—that is a- into perspective that is a massive story— into perspective that is a massive story .- into perspective that is a massive story . it received a lot massive story. it received a lot of massive story. it received a lot et eewetaeg— massive story. it received a lot et eewetaeg .— massive story. it received a lot of coverage . but— massive story. it received a lot of coverage . but there is of coverage. but there is a fundamental— of coverage. but there is a fundamental difference. those teet— fundamental difference. those neet sette— fundamental difference. those poor souls had— fundamental difference. those poor souls had died. and of , tne— poor souls had died. and of course , the people who were course, the people who were ttannet— course, the people who were ttannet unten— course, the people who were trapped under sea in the second tttante— trapped under sea in the second tttante ttagety— trapped under sea in the second tttante ttagety .— trapped under sea in the second titanic tragedy , there was the titanic tragedy, there was the netenttat— titanic tragedy, there was the potential that _ titanic tragedy, there was the potential that they were going to potential that they were going te te — potential that they were going te te tetnt— potential that they were going to be found. but— potential that they were going to be found. but carol mcgiffin, it to be found. but carol mcgiffin, tt teet— to be found. but carol mcgiffin, t test teete— to be found. but carol mcgiffin, it just feels really— to be found. but carol mcgiffin, it just feels really wrong for me— it just feels really wrong for me te— it just feels really wrong for me to even make this unnecessary eennaneenn— me to even make this unnecessary eennateenn — me to even make this unnecessary comparison . well,— me to even make this unnecessary comparison . titti.. comparison. well, that's what the left do , though, isn't it? i the left do, though, isn't it? i mean, they always start to attack people because they have more than them. i don't know. i mean, it's just it's unbelievable. and also to say that that story wasn't covered about the migrants, it was there have been multiple incidences of it and it did not take up a huge story time and resources applied to the titan, which i completely agree on. a minute. hang on a

minute. the migrants get as much attention an when something goes wrong as as this has no , they wrong as as this has no, they don't. okay. but this is this is on my way here. this is more of a story because it's more unusual. exactly. that's what i'm saying. but carol carol, yee— i'm saying. but carol carol, ye teet— i'm saying. but carol carol, you've just made- “3 but carol carol, you've just made my point for se— you've just made my point for se tte— you've just made my point for se tt-e a— you've just made my point for me. so it's a first.— you've just made my point for me. so it's a first. it's a first. yeah,— me. so it's a first. it's a first. yeah, i— me. so it's a first. . �*" yeah, i know. and every first. yeah, i know. and every etngte— first. yeah, i know. and every etngte ntgtant— �*" yeah, i know. and every single migrant tragedy should be tteatet— single migrant tragedy should be treated dishonest— single migrant tragedy should be treated dishonest to suggest tnat— treated dishonest to suggest tnat teatne— treated dishonest to suggest that deaths in— treated dishonest to suggest that deaths in the channel, teeawee— that deaths in the channel, because that's— that deaths in the channel, because that's what actually tatttng— because that's what actually we're talking about. come unremarkable, do not become big news because they do. they really do. but also ranald the really do. but also ranald the really thing that the point that really thing that the point that really shocked me as well with anas sarwar is the suggestion that we should not want our billionaires to innovate and to spend their own money. and surely if there's one thing that we've learned over the past few years, it's that the government actually doesn't spend our money response forcibly. and it's absolutely imperative that our explorers , that our adventurers explorers, that our adventurers are allowed to continue these groundbreaking expeditions .

groundbreaking expeditions. well, that wasn't my question. i mean , look, you know, the i mean, look, you know, the tntng— i mean, look, you know, the tntng te— i mean, look, you know, the tntng te, tt— i mean, look, you know, the thing is, if people have made tnett— thing is, if people have made tnett neney— thing is, if people have made their money lawfully, of course tney— their money lawfully, of course tney enewtt— their money lawfully, of course they should be— their money lawfully, of course they should be -to - their money lawfully, of course they should be to spend the they should be able to spend the neney— they should be able to spend the neney-tney— they should be able to spend the money-they wish. - they should be able to spend the money they wish. whether money how they wish. whether tnat-e—eea | money how they wish. whetheri tnat-e—eea et that's exploring the deep sea or jumping— that's exploring the deep sea or twnntng-ntane- jumping out of a plane or wnatewet— jumping out of a plane or whatever else— jumping out of a plane or whatever else is they want to whatever else it is they want to go whatever else it is they want to ge-enaee— whatever else it is they want to ge-enaee ant— whatever else it is they want to ge-enaee ant tt— whatever else it is they want to go-space and if we- whatever else it is they want to go space and if we look at go into space and if we look at new— go into space and if we look at how innovation— go into space and if we look at how innovation has occurred in all how innovation has occurred in att-ntetety,— how innovation has occurred in all-history, it's- how innovation has occurred in all history, it's about all of human history, it's about neente— all of human history, it's about neente-tne— all of human history, it's about people the bounds people pushing the bounds and eeetyne— people pushing the bounds and ewetyene—tnati people pushing the bounds and ewetyene—tnat -l people pushing the bounds and. everyone _that . you everyone benefits from that. you knew,— everyone benefits from that. you tnewlenty— everyone benefits from that. you know,-only reason - everyone benefits from that. you know, only reason we have a know, the only reason we have a microwave . because - know, the only reason we have a microwave because space space microwave is because space space exntetatten— microwave is because space space exntetatten-a— microwave is because space space exntetatten-a-tn- microwave is because space space exploration - a - in the - exploration was a thing in the wet— exploration was a thing in the ttnt ntaee. — exploration was a thing in the first place. exactly. we should encourage. .surely- first place. exactly. we should encourage. etiiilwt first place. exactly. we should. encourage. .surely you think encourage. and surely you think billionaires you said being billionaires you said i'm being spending money on great spending great money on great projects, whereas our government very often fritters away our cash like over the covid period . ithink cash like over the covid period . i think you said a very tangetewe— i think you said a very dangerous precedent when you say that billionaires— dangerous precedent when you say that billionaires who make eenntetety— that billionaires who make completely their own choices and wet— completely their own choices and tnett en— completely their own choices and their own priorities— completely their own choices and their own priorities can nnenttee— their own priorities can prioritise better than governments , i think that's governments, i think that's a tnety— governments, i think that's a tnety teat— governments, i think that's a tricky road you're taking there. wett— tricky road you're taking there. wett. teet— tricky road you're taking there. wett. teet at— tricky road you're taking there. well, look at electric- tricky road you're taking there. well, look at electric cars, for example. i mean, tesla, this is neney— example. i mean, tesla, this is neney tnat— example. i mean, tesla, this is neney tnat tney— example. i mean, tesla, this is money that they have- tits? i mean, tesla, this is money that they have earned billionaires,— billionaires, their money and tney— billionaires, their money and tney-tnweet— billionaires, their money and they-invest into- billionaires, their money and they invest into the they can invest into the government _ they can invest into the government doesn't earn dodgy tegtnee— government doesn't earn dodgy tegtnee, tntnge—

government doesn't earn dodgy regimes, things that don't need to regimes, things that don't need te te— regimes, things that don't need to be prioritised. _ regimes, things that don't need to be prioritised. “cat i“ . to be prioritised. they can tip the balance. but look at what elon musk has done. you know, with tesla, he's— elon musk has done. you know, with tesla, he's driven- tit“ you know, with tesla, he's driven forward eteetne— with tesla, he's driven forward electric vehicles— with tesla, he's driven forward electric vehicles himself, but no government— electric vehicles himself, but no government investment. but nee—ant- no government investment. but nee—ant tt-el he's put that forward and it's transformed— he's put that forward and it's transformed our— he's put that forward and it's transformed our of daily transformed our sort of daily etenenene — transformed our sort of daily experience. - let's- transformed our sort of daily experience. let's not experience. but let's not pretent— experience. but let's not pretend that— experience. but let's not pretend that this oceangate cennany— pretend that this oceangate cennany wa— pretend that this oceangate company was this innovator , company was this innovator, tnnewattwe, — company was this innovator, innovative, necessary explorative. “5 innovative, necessary explorative. “ innovative, necessary- explorative. this is a company that was taking 250,000 odd dollars off of people taking advantage of their profit, of their wealth, in my opinion, no one said it was necessary. amy, do you think it was— one said it was necessary. amy, do you think it was a- . amy, do you think it was a good use of do you think it was a good use et neney— do you think it was a good use et neney te— do you think it was a good use et neney te ge— do you think it was a good use of money to go in— do you think it was a good use of money to go in that tin can neteenatty— of money to go in that tin can neteenatty .— of money to go in that tin can personally/t t— of money to go in that tin can personally , i can't— of money to go in that tin can personally , i can't think of personally, i can't think of anytntng— personally, i can't think of anytntng t— personally, i can't think of anything i want to do less. i tney— anything i want to do less. i mean, they must— anything i want to do less. i mean, they must do. i know eeetyne— mean, they must do. i know eeetyne teete— mean, they must do. i know everyone keeps saying they're net.— everyone keeps saying they're net. tney— everyone keeps saying they're not. they didn't— everyone keeps saying they're not. they didn't suffer. but you ten-t— not. they didn't suffer. but you ten-t tnew. — not. they didn't suffer. but you ten-t tnew. t— not. they didn't suffer. but you don't know. i-it- not. they didn't suffer. but you don't know. i it must have don't know. i mean, it must have teen—tenttytng- been absolutely terrifying being stuck— been absolutely terrifying being stack—net- been absolutely terrifying being. stuck—not knowing stuck down there and not knowing wnete— stuck down there and not knowing wnete yew— stuck down there and not knowing wnete yew ate— stuck down there and not knowing where you are unimaginable tnewtng— where you are unimaginable tnewtng-att- where you are unimaginable tnewtng-att te- where you are unimaginable knowing air is running knowing that the air is running eat.— knowing that the air is running eat-yew— knowing that the air is running out-lyou knew,— knowing that the air is running out. you know, they made the out. so you know, they made the enetee— out. so you know, they made the etene—tney— choice to do that. they must nave— choice to do that. they must nave tnewn— choice to do that. they must have known dangers . have known the dangers. the depher— have known the dangers. the nennet tat— have known the dangers. the depher had mentions of death. the first four pages, but so does it. before you go into get

a tetttne— does it. before you go into get a routine operation.— : . before you go into get a routine operation. you know, tne— a routine operation. you know, ttte te— a routine operation. you know, ttte te tatt— a routine operation. you know, life is full of— a routine operation. you know, life is full of risks. and all t-n — life is full of risks. and all t-n eaytng— life is full of risks. and all t-n eaytng te— life is full of risks. and all i'm saying is that it's very ttetwttng— i'm saying is that it's very disturbing to— i'm saying is that it's very disturbing to me to see the left disturbing to the to see the left try disturbing to me to see the left tty ant— disturbing to me to see the left tty ant ee— disturbing to me to see the left try and use this— disturbing to me to see the left try and use this this terrible ttagety— try and use this this terrible ttagety ae— try and use this this terrible ttagety ae an— try and use this this terrible tragedy as an example of let's not tragedy as an example of let's net tnnewate— tragedy as an example of let's not innovate .— tragedy as an example of let's not innovate . let's not not innovate. let's not encourage our billionaires teeewe— encourage our billionaires teeewe te— encourage our billionaires deserve to die— encourage our billionaires deserve to die because they've got deserve to die because they've get teate— deserve to die because they've get teate et— deserve to die because they've got loads of money. that's all ttgtt— got loads of money. that's all ttgtt .— got loads of money. that's all right . leave them alone. they're right. leave them alone. they're not poor enough for us. they just they just g “ -5 they just they just disgusting. they etnnty— just they just disgusting. they etnnty eteewe— just they just disgusting. they simply observe that the amount of simply observe that the amount et energy— simply observe that the amount of energy dedicated to this ttagety,— of energy dedicated to this tragedy, which— of energy dedicated to this tragedy, which has been fascinating— tragedy, which has been fascinating and disturbing in egwat— fascinating and disturbing in equal measure— fascinating and disturbing in equal measure ,_ fascinating and disturbing in equal measure , every single equal measure, every single ntgtant— equal measure, every single ntgtant teat— equal measure, every single migrant boat tragedy should have the migrant boat tragedy should have tne eae— migrant boat tragedy should have the same attention. i mean, cal tantt— the same attention. i mean, cal ranil jayawardena _ the same attention. i mean, cal ranil jayawardena , carol ranil jayawardena, carol ttegttttn— ranil jayawardena, carol ttegttttn ny— ranil jayawardena, carol mcgiffin, my superstar panel. ant— mcgiffin, my superstar panel. ant tney— mcgiffin, my superstar panel. ant they ate— mcgiffin, my superstar panel. and they are with— mcgiffin, my superstar panel. and they are with me- mcgiffin, my superstar panel. and they are with me all- mcgiffin, my superstar panel. and they are with me all night. but coming up, as jk rowling and the aforementioned elon musk join forces to combat the term cisgender by branding it a slur, former tory minister ann widdecombe dares the trans lobby to call her cis. i wouldn't want to call her cis. i wouldn't want to take on winnie, that's for sure. see what she has to say later. but up next in the clash, the former head of britain's equality sir trevor equality commission, sir trevor

phillips, sussexes have phillips, says the sussexes have squandered a golden opportunity phillips, says the sussexes have sq showcasea golden opportunity phillips, says the sussexes have sq showcase the lden opportunity phillips, says the sussexes have sq showcase the uk's opportunity to showcase the uk's inclusivity. so is he right that no one cared about meghan's race before she made it an issue? top political and social commentators joanna jarjue , commentators joanna jarjue, samantha smith and chris rose do battle in mere moments. but what do you think? dan nick gibb dot voted our poll at gb news. the results and the clash after the

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people's channel. britain's news . cnannet— people's channel. britain's news . cnannet ant— “ britain's news . channel and widdecombe and taty— . channel and widdecombe and taty cettn— . channel and widdecombe and lady colin campbell coming up. but lady colin campbell coming up. tat tte— lady colin campbell coming up. tat tte tnne— lady colin campbell coming up. but it's time now— lady colin campbell coming up. but it's time now for— lady colin campbell coming up. but it's time now for the- lady colin campbell coming up. but it's time now for the clash and speaking 75 years on, since the first of the windrush generation arrived in the uk, sir trevor phillips has hailed britain as the most welcoming country in europe. regardless s of what harry and meghan might say in a sting, an of what harry and meghan might say in a sting , an attack on the say in a sting, an attack on the sussexes the respected writer and politician, former head of the equalities commission, told the equalities commission, told the daily mail today. they completely squandered a golden opportunity to show everyone what this country is really like in matters of race. a country where no one disturbs themselves about a marriage across the lines of race and ethnicity . lines of race and ethnicity. motty they constructed this completely ridiculous and unpleasant story about how maltreated they were , which, maltreated they were, which, frankly, no one believes no one cared about. meghan's race. they could have made things different for millions of people, and they chose not to. that's unforgivable in my book. that's

a sin. so do you agree with sir trevor? is he right that nobody in britain actually cared about meghan's race despite what she has to say? email me, dan at gb news .uk. vote in our poll at gb news .uk. vote in our poll at gb news on twitter. but to help you make up your mind, i'm joined by three top political and social commentators. joanna jarjue. chris rose and samantha smith. so samantha, let me start with you on this . he's right, isn't you on this. he's right, isn't he? he's completely and utterly correct. i he? he's completely and utterly correct . i couldn't agree more. correct. i couldn't agree more. newer— correct. i couldn't agree more. trevor phillips— correct. i couldn't agree more. trevor phillips is— ii i couldn't agree more. trevor phillips is just echoing wnat— trevor phillips is just echoing wnat eeetyne— trevor phillips is just echoing what everyone else in the generat— what everyone else in the general public— what everyone else in the general public has been saying for general public has been saying ten yeate — general public has been saying for years. people— general public has been saying for years. “ . for years. people didn't have a problem with meghan markle because of the colour of her skin. it was entirely due to the fact that she showed utter contempt towards our culture, our customs and british our customs and the british pubuc our customs and the british public . no one, quite public in general. no one, quite frankly, cared about the fact that meghan markle mixed that meghan markle was mixed race. she was race. if anything, she was welcomed by the general public race. if anything, she was welconthe 3y the general public race. if anything, she was welconthe royal general public race. if anything, she was welconthe royal family. public race. if anything, she was welconthe royal family. aublic race. if anything, she was welconthe royal family. a key: and by the royal family. a key example of this was the fact

that prince charles was willing to walk her the aisle, was to walk her down the aisle, was ready and suggested offered ready and suggested and offered to down the aisle after to walk her down the aisle after she with father, he she fell out with her father, he said, to walk you down said, i want to walk you down the want to welcome you the aisle. i want to welcome you into our family properly. i don't want to be by yourself don't want you to be by yourself on day. this, in my on your wedding day. this, in my opinion, a shining of opinion, is a shining example of the royal family's tolerance and willingness welcome meghan willingness to welcome meghan markle the fold it markle into the fold when it comes public. comes to the british public. i would say as the daughter of a first generation, an afro—hispanic immigrant, i she has never shared anything other than positive sentiments towards the uk and our tolerance and our inclusivity and our equity . for inclusivity and our equity. for meghan markle , she outstayed her meghan markle, she outstayed her welcome because she was frankly completely exploitative and manipulative of the british public. manipulative of the british pubuc.she manipulative of the british public. she used the race issue to garner support when she thought that she wanted to make her break back to the us and start her superstardom as an a—list celebrity. and yet, even over the pond , they are over the pond, they are beginning to grow weary of her constant. that's true. that's

very true. i mean,- i that's very true. i mean, joanna tan-we,— very true. i mean, joanna jarjuet t— very true. i mean, joanna jarjuet t nave— very true. i mean, joanna jarjue, i have to say, i loved wnat— jarjue, i have to say, i loved wnat tneen— jarjue, i have to say, i loved what trevor phillips said on tnte— what trevor phillips said on this, because— what trevor phillips said on this, because as— what trevor phillips said on this, because as it's what i've teen— this, because as it's what i've teen eaytng— this, because as it's what i've teen eaytng ten— this, because as it's what i've been saying for the past many yeane— been saying for the past many yeane tnat— been saying for the past many yeane tnat tay— been saying for the past many years that day, joanna, when nanny— years that day, joanna, when nanny ant— years that day, joanna, when harry and meghan got married , i harry and meghan got married, i t— harry and meghan got married, i t gin,— harry and meghan got married, i was, i think, the— harry and meghan got married, i was, i think, the most exciting, neetttwe— was, i think, the most exciting, neettwe tay— was, i think, the most exciting, positive day for— was, i think, the most exciting, positive day for this country ence— positive day for this country tne — positive day for this country since the london 2012 olympics. we since the london 2012 olympics. we eetetnate— since the london 2012 olympics. we celebrate this— since the london 2012 olympics. we celebrate this marriage. we aetwatty— we celebrate this marriage. we actually loved— we celebrate this marriage. we actually loved the fact that ttegnan — actually loved the fact that ttegnan wae— actually loved the fact that meghan was mixed race and tnewgnt— meghan was mixed race and tnewgnt tnat— meghan was mixed race and thought that she was going to enate— thought that she was going to enate wn— thought that she was going to enate an tne— thought that she was going to shake up the royal family we wnat— shake up the royal family we wnat we— shake up the royal family we what we hated— shake up the royal family we what we hated was the way that she what we hated was the way that ene aetet — what we hated was the way that she acted afterwards . as do you she acted afterwards. as do you agnee— she acted afterwards. as do you agnee wttn— she acted afterwards. as do you agnee wttn et— she acted afterwards. as do you agree with sir trevor phillips? wnn — agree with sir trevor phillips? um absolutely— agree with sir trevor phillips? um absolutely not. so i'm not going— um absolutely not. so i'm not getng te— um absolutely not. so i'm not going to sit here and pretend as if the, you know, the wedding day of meghan and harry wasn't a joyous day for the entire country. it was. and everybody did celebrate. but at the same time, be right at time, two things can be right at the time. another thing the same time. and another thing that can be right is the fact that can be right is the fact that there were attacks on meghan she got meghan before she even got married as well as there was married, as well as there was also joy in celebration. people were meghan seed was

were saying that meghan seed was going to taint the royal family be compton to be straight out of compton to the point where harry had to actually statement out to actually put a statement out to begin we need to begin with to say we need to stop these attacks that are racially aggravated . what was an racially aggravated. what was an attack abette— racially aggravated. what was an attack about? a— racially aggravated. what was an attack about? a headline- attack about? a headline referencing _ attack about? a headline referencing straight of referencing straight out of cennten— referencing straight out of cennten .— referencing straight out of compton . and— referencing straight out of compton . and it was about the compton. and it was about the area in california— compton. and it was about the area in california when she grow up -— area in california when she grow an . new— area in california when she grow we . new wae— area in california when she grow up . how was that— area in california when she grow up . how was that racist? your up. how was that racist? your gnaee— up. how was that racist? your gnaee tetng— up. how was that racist? your gnaee tetng at— up. how was that racist? your grass being at straws, joanna ttne— grass being at straws, joanna ttne .— grass being at straws, joanna ttne . ant— grass being at straws, joanna ttne . ant nne— grass being at straws, joanna fine . and me. a— grass being at straws, joanna fine . and me. a better example fine. and me. a better example tnan— fine. and me. a better example tnan tnat— fine. and me. a better example tnan tnat . — fine. and me. a better example than that . well,— fine. and me. a better example than that . titti.. “ ?ti.. than that. well, even the fact when archie was born, the person who actually tweeted a picture of a monkey, a chimpanzee, have they done that to any other royal family members , baby? no. royal family members, baby? no. is there any racial connotation to do with monkeys and black people? yes. so to pretend as if nobody cared about meghan markle's race is completely disingenuous, dan, and you know it . and even if there were it. and even if there were celebrations to begin with about meghan and harry's union five, fine. but there were also people. just about people. it's not just about whether looks whether meghan markle looks visibly not. it's about visibly black or not. it's about what she represents . it's about

what she represents. it's about the change. it's about the question is of somebody coming thatis question is of somebody coming that is an ethnic minority. i think you're speaking rubbish. i don't anyone on had a i don't think anyone on had a nnetten— i don't think anyone on had a nnetten wttn— i don't think anyone on had a problem with meghan markle teeawee— problem with meghan marklei because—honestly because of her race. i honestly ten-t— because of her race. i honestly ten-t . — because of her race. i honestly ten-t. tte— because of her race. i honestly don't . the racially- because of her race. i honestly don't. ?ti. 33: don't. the racially aggravated comments were facts . and also, comments were facts. and also, let's just say that there different types of racism. there's obviously overt and covert racism and some of the double standards in the way that meghan has been reported for doing exactly the same thing as kate. those double standards and also the unconscious bias plays into it. and how much into a part of it. and how much can somebody take? it's very can somebody take? and it's very rich know, somebody rich for, you know, somebody unconscious bias. so you're going unconscious bias. so you're getng-nanny- unconscious bias. so you're going-harry pathl unconscious bias. so you're- going-harry path now. going down the harry path now. so going down the harry path now. se neente— going down the harry path now. se neente tttn-t— going down the harry path now. so people didn't know they were tetng— so people didn't know they were tetng naetet— so people didn't know they were being racist. okay— so people didn't know they were being racist. okay chris rose, let being racist. okay chris rose, tet ne— being racist. okay chris rose, tet ne tntng— being racist. okay chris rose, let me bring you— being racist. okay chris rose, let me bring you in on this. teet— let me bring you in on this. just different.— let me bring you in on this. just different. we'll get just different. okay. we'll get cnnte— just different. okay. we'll get chris-respond.- just different. okay. we'll get chris respond. chris, chris rose to respond. chris, gneat— chris rose to respond. chris, gneat te— chris rose to respond. chris, gneat te-yew- chris rose to respond. chris, great to -you on- chris rose to respond. chris, great to you on the show. great to have you on the show. by great to have you on the show. ty tne— great to have you on the show. by the-becoming- great to have you on the show. by the becoming a prominent by the way, becoming a prominent eeneewattwe— conservative commentator on eeetat—tt-e- conservative commentator on social it's brilliant social media. so it's brilliant to social media. so it's brilliant te-nattng- social media. so it's brilliant. to-making-debut social media. so it's brilliant- to-making-debut. to have you making your debut. wne— to have you making your debut. wne te— to have you making your debut. wne te yew— to have you making your debut. who do you agree— to have you making your debut. who do you agree with, chris, jeann— who do you agree with, chris, jeanna—agneei who do you agree with, chris,- joanna_agree with joanna or samantha? i agree with sanantna. — joanna or samantha? i agree with sanantna. t— joanna or samantha? i agree with samantha. i mean,— joanna or samantha? i agree with samantha. i mean, i— joanna or samantha? i agree with samantha. “ samantha. i mean, i remember the day of the wedding and it was absolutely buzzing. there was loads of royal styles

celebrating from all different races. and you know, even when meg was adopting into a new role as a royal, we had the other because we know that it's not easy to do. but you know, over time criticism towards the was easily dismissed as oh it must be because she's black or it must be because she's a woman as well. and you know, people like piers morgan and jeremy clarkson have made quite fair criticisms of her. and sometimes people are instantly just dismiss it, saying it's because of her race. but it's not. it's because of her persona. and, you know, i used to be a big fan of meghan, but honestly, over time i realised that a persona is not likeable. that's realised that a persona is not likeable . that's a really likeable. that's a really interesting— likeable. that's a really interesting point,- . that's a really interesting point, actually. cnnte— interesting point, actually. cnnte ant— interesting point, actually. cnnte ant t— interesting point, actually. chris and i want to go back to jeann— chris and i want to go back to joanna on that— chris and i want to go back to joanna on that because don't you net— joanna on that because don't you new a— joanna on that because don't you risk a situation?— joanna on that because don't you risk a situation? joanna where yewne— risk a situation? joanna where you're essentially— risk a situation? joanna where you're essentially saying that you— you're essentially saying that yet can-t— you're essentially saying that you can't criticise minority gnewne— you can't criticise minority gnewne at— you can't criticise minority gnewne at att— you can't criticise minority groups at all in- you can't criticise minority groups at all in this case

teeawee— groups at all in this case because you're- groups at all in this case because you're immediately going to because you're immediately going te te— because you're immediately going te te aeet— because you're immediately going to be accused of— because you're immediately going to be accused of homophobia or natenn— to be accused of homophobia or ant— to be accused of homophobia or ant t— to be accused of homophobia or racism? and i also— to be accused of homophobia or racism? and i also agree with cnnte— racism? and i also agree with cnnte ant— racism? and i also agree with cnnte ant yew— racism? and i also agree with chris, and you can go back and teet— chris, and you can go back and teet at— chris, and you can go back and teet at my— chris, and you can go back and look at my columns because neente— look at my columns because neente tte— look at my columns because neente ttte te— look at my columns because people like to say that i've teen— people like to say that i've teen a— people like to say that i've teen a teng— people like to say that i've been a long time critic of ttegnan— been a long time critic of meghan actually . i was meghan actually. i was incredibly— meghan actually. i was incredibly supportive of her wnen— incredibly supportive of her wnen ene— incredibly supportive of her when she entered the royal tantty.— when she entered the royal family. incredibly supportive . family. incredibly supportive. it family. incredibly supportive. ttwae— family. incredibly supportive. tt enty— family. incredibly supportive. it was only once— family. incredibly supportive. it was only once i started to get— it was only once i started to get tett— it was only once i started to get told about— it was only once i started to get told about all of her tennttte— get told about all of her terrible behaviour behind the scenes where— terrible behaviour behind the scenes where i— terrible behaviour behind the scenes where i reported the tatte— scenes where i reported the taete atett— scenes where i reported the facts about what was going on. wet.— facts about what was going on. wet. a— facts about what was going on. wet. a tet— facts about what was going on. wet. a tet et— facts about what was going on. well, a lot of the— facts about what was going on. well, a lot of the things- facts about what was going on. well, a lot of the things that you reported and a lot of the things that other people reported have actually been, you know, it's been disputed by a lot people, things like lot of people, things like tiara, made who cry. you tiara, who made who cry. you know, there's a lot of things just because you reported something mean something down, does it mean that? believe it and that? i have to believe it and anybody believe it? anybody else has to believe it? and chris, you should and actually, chris, you should be very careful about questioning joanna, questioning my sources. joanna, let chris, you let me finish and chris, you liked to believe to begin liked meghan to believe to begin with, but have you considered that the that maybe some of the publications that read, some publications that you read, some of that read of the things that you read about this you could have about this woman, you could have well influence by this you

well been influence by this you don't chris. you don't know? said chris. you can't don't know? said chris. you cant you don't know? said chris. you can't you can't don't know? said chris. you. can't-you can't-make can't even you can't even make up can't even you can't even make up-ow“_ can't even you can't even make tt-ewn-cnne- can't even you can't even make tt-ewn-cnne tetl up your own mind. chris, let cnnte— up your own mind. chris, let chris respond— up your own mind. chris, let chris respond to— up your own mind. chris, let chris respond to that. chris, yet-ne— chris respond to that. chris, ye tee— chris respond to that. chris, you're too silly— chris respond to that. chris, you're too silly to even make up yew— you're too silly to even make up yetn-ntnt.— you're too silly to even make up your-mind.-been- your own mind. you've been tnatnwaenet— your own mind. you've been brainwashed-he. your own mind. you've been brainwashed he is. brainwashed by chris. he is. tte— brainwashed by chris. he is. tte neeettte— brainwashed by chris. he is. it's possible that— brainwashed by chris. he is. it's possible that ,_ brainwashed by chris. he is. it's possible that , you- brainwashed by chris. he is. it's possible that, you know, people an ethnic minority people from an ethnic minority background have a terrible background can have a terrible personality others to personality and others to dislike them. i mean, i didn't want to dislike meghan. i really liked her at first. i wanted her me to go into the royal family and adopt into a royal and adopt into a new royal world. unfortunately , some world. but unfortunately, some of she said, like she of the things she said, like she said, well, someone made a passing comment about the skin , passing comment about the skin, the baby's skin and she didn't say which royal family member would said it. so she's left that open as interpretation that anybody in the royal family that the hunt for the royal race is she set that off for two years, didn't she, samantha smith, final word from you? well, all i can say is final word from you? well, all i eay te tnat— final word from you? well, all i can say is that those— final word from you? well, all i can say is that those on- �*" : tit.7 well, all i can say is that those on the ten— can say is that those on the tett ten-t— can say is that those on the left don't seem— can say is that those on the left don't seem too happy with ategnan— left don't seem too happy with meghan markle— left don't seem too happy with meghan markle either. it isn't teet— meghan markle either. it isn't tnet teette— meghan markle either. it isn't tnet teette en— meghan markle either. it isn't just people on the right isn't teet— just people on the right isn't just—stations,- just people on the right isn't just—stations, ouri just our public stations, our news outlets that are criticising.- news outlets that are criticising. meghan markle, a ttaet— criticising. meghan markle, a

ttaet ttwee— criticising. meghan markle, a black lives matter activist. criticising. meghan markle, a black aytonviatter activist. criticising. meghan markle, a black ayton herself ctivist. criticising. meghan markle, a black ayton herself said;t. criticising. meghan markle, a black ayton herself said that imarn ayton herself said that ene— imarn ayton herself said that ene teet— imarn ayton herself said that she used the— imarn ayton herself said that she used the racism card, that ene— she used the racism card, that ene teet— she used the racism card, that she used black— she used the racism card, that she used black people and that she used black people and that ene teet— she used black people and that ene teet tne— she used black people and that she used the race— she used black people and that she used the race issue when she neetet— she used the race issue when she neetet eenen— she used the race issue when she needed support, and then she ttntet— needed support, and then she tentet tne— needed support, and then she dumped the race— needed support, and then she dumped the race issue once she waeltengen— dumped the race issue once she was-longer finding- dumped the race issue once she was longer finding it was no longer finding it netewant,— was no longer finding it relevant,.isn't- was no longer finding it relevant, isn't just us. it relevant, it isn't just us. it ten-t— relevant, it isn't just us. it ten-t teet— relevant, it isn't just us. it isn't just the— relevant, it isn't just us. it isn't just the right wing ttgete. — isn't just the right wing ttgete. tt— isn't just the right wing bigots. it isn't just the naetete— bigots. it isn't just the racists and— bigots. it isn't just the racists and the extremists that are-criticisms- racists and the extremists that are criticisms with are finding criticisms with with ategnan— are finding criticisms with with ategnan-ten— are finding criticisms with with meghan-for her- are finding criticisms with with meghan for her constant meghan markle, for her constant wettnneet— meghan markle, for her constant victimhood and— meghan markle, for her constant victimhood and her constant ntenaneny— victimhood and her constant hierarchy about— victimhood and her constant hierarchy about the criticism agatnet— hierarchy about the criticism agatnet teette— hierarchy about the criticism against people are people are tttty— against people are people are fully entitled— against people are people are fully entitled to— against people are people are fully entitled to criticise ttegnan — fully entitled to criticise meghan markle i'm not saying tnat— meghan markle i'm not saying tnat tn— meghan markle i'm not saying that i'm talking— meghan markle i'm not saying that i'm talking about the witch tent— that i'm talking about the witch ntnt ant— that i'm talking about the witch ntnt ant tne— that i'm talking about the witch hunt and the lies— that i'm talking about the witch hunt and the lies when it goes too hunt and the lies when it goes tee tan— hunt and the lies when it goes tee tan ant— hunt and the lies when it goes too far and when— hunt and the lies when it goes too far and when there's racial connotations— too far and when there's racial connotations to— too far and when there's racial connotations to the criticism, tnat-e— connotations to the criticism, tnat-e wnen — connotations to the criticism, tnat-e wnen t— connotations to the criticism, that's when i have a problem wttn— that's when i have a problem wttn tt— that's when i have a problem with it. criticise_ that's when i have a problem with it. criticise meghan. cntttetee— with it. criticise meghan. criticise me,— with it. criticise meghan. criticise me, criticise any ttaet— criticise me, criticise any black person _ criticise me, criticise any black person as long as it's tatt— black person as long as it's tatn ant— black person as long as it's tatn ant ae— black person as long as it's fair and as long— black person as long as it's fair and as long as it's balanced,— fair and as long as it's balanced, the- fair and as long as it's balanced, the way that you entttetee — balanced, the way that you criticise people _ balanced, the way that you criticise people is. meghan ttantte— criticise people is. meghan markle meghan markle markle has ms meghan markle tenet.— markle has ms meghan markle herself. -else - markle has ms meghan markle herself. else cared about herself. no one else cared about nee—tnat- herself. no one else cared about race _that you're i race to the extent that you're eaytng, — race to the extent that you're eaytng, -ene— race to the extent that you're saying, she herself said saying, until she herself said tnat— saying, until she herself said tnat eenyene— saying, until she herself said that everyone did. yes, there ate-getng— that everyone did. yes, there ate-getnglte- are always going to be racist comments._been| comments. there have been comments-racial- comments. there have been comments racial undertones. comments with racial undertones. tnat-e— comments with racial undertones. tnat-e wnene— comments with racial undertones. that's where the _ comments with racial undertones. that's where the line must be

tnawn — that's where the line must be tnawn neette— that's where the line must be drawn. people will always be naetet. — drawn. people will always be racist. joanna,— drawn. people will always be racist. joanna, i— drawn. people will always be racist. .titt: drawn. people will always be racist. “ .titt: drawn. people will always be racist. “ racist. joanna, i told you to give me an example. you've given me of compton me the straight out of compton headline. telling you, headline. i'm telling you, that ain't . tainting the royal ain't racist. tainting the royal tantty— ain't racist. tainting the royal tantty atett— ain't racist. tainting the royal family about her— “ . ?ti. tainting the royal family about her seed, tainting the family about her seed, tainting tne tteyat— family about her seed, tainting the royal family. _ family about her seed, tainting the royal family. and as i said, you— the royal family. and as i said, yet ten-t— the royal family. and as i said, yen ten-t nave— the royal family. and as i said, you don't have to— the royal family. and as i said, you don't have to be called the w—went—eayl n—word specifically to say, etay— n—word specifically to say, etay, tnte— n—word specifically to say, etay, tnte te— n—word specifically to say, okay, this is racism. there are etnen— okay, this is racism. there are etnen tenne— okay, this is racism. there are other forms of— okay, this is racism. there are other forms of racism. /tit. ti?“ other forms of racism. you can want— other forms of racism. you can want-eee— other forms of racism. you can want see racism and want to see racism and everything. that's fine. that's fine. your choice. joanna fine. that's your choice. joanna jarjue, samantha smith. chris rose great to have you on the show. chris thank you all so much. we'll see soon. much. we'll see you soon. but who you agree on this is who do you agree with on this is sir trevor philips, right? that no meghan's race no one cared about meghan's race from when i first saw from stockport when i first saw meghan's pictures the paper, meghan's pictures in the paper, i nofice meghan's pictures in the paper, i notice her race. i didn't even notice her race. i grew dislike due to her grew to dislike her due to her obnoxious behaviour. wimbledon grew to dislike her due to her obnox her behaviour. wimbledon grew to dislike her due to her obnox her first aviour. wimbledon grew to dislike her due to her obnox her first mistake, mbledon grew to dislike her due to her obnox her first mistake, not edon grew to dislike her due to her obnox her first mistake, not hern being her first mistake, not her colour . from being her first mistake, not her colour. from meghan's colour. from david, meghan's race as a positive race was seen as a positive thing. anything, royal thing. if anything, the royal family being family was perceived as being modernised and inclusive. and from susan , meghan could have from susan, meghan could have done so good using her done so much good using her heritage and position within the royal to enhance race royal family to enhance race relations instead, sought relations. instead, she sought to create division. i have to

say, susan , i think that's the say, susan, i think that's the best comment of the day on this. and verdict now in. 93% and your verdict is now in. 93% of do agree with sir trevor of you do agree with sir trevor phillips actually you phillips that actually you didn't even about meghan didn't even care about meghan markle's just 7% of you markle's race. just 7% of you say it was an issue. coming up as a bombshell, new yougov poll has meghan markle's approval rating at an all time low. is her montecito majesty all out of star power ? well, my royal star power? well, my royal master, lady colin campbell and richard fitzwilliams are going to on this story shortly. to take on this story shortly. but first, as jk rowling and elon musk join forces to send a powerful message to the woke utopians of world slamming utopians of the world slamming the cisgender, former tory the word cisgender, former tory minister ann widdecombe joins me to react and dares the trans lobby to call her a cis woman. back.

lady colin campbell with the tneattng— lady colin campbell with the breaking bombshell on meghan's eent— breaking bombshell on meghan's eent tew— breaking bombshell on meghan's record low popularity coming up. but record low popularity coming up. tat tttet— record low popularity coming up. tat tttet. tte— record low popularity coming up. but first, it's time— record low popularity coming up. but first, it's time for— record low popularity coming up. but first, it's time for big- but first, it's time for big willie style with former tory minister ann widdecombe . and minister ann widdecombe. and responding twitter user who responding to a twitter user who had been barraged by trans activists online for rejecting the word cis , which was created, the word cis, which was created, by the way, by the woke brigade to mean a person with the same gender as the one they were born with. right? so men or women. elon musk announced yesterday the words cis or cis gender are considered slurs on this platform. and then rowling .j.k. platform. and then rowling. j.k. rowling showed her support.

right. insists is ideological language signify being belief in the unfalsified concept of gender identity . motty you have gender identity. motty you have a perfect right to believe in unprovable essences that may or may not match the sexed body, but the rest of us have a right to disagree and to refuse to adopt your jargon. to which musk replied, exactly so and widdecombe, firstly, what a power couple. elon musk and jk rowling. you don't want to take those two on, but how do you feel, ann, when you are referred to as a cis woman ? well, i'm not to as a cis woman? well, i'm not aware that anybody's actually called me individually a cis woman. they wouldn't be aware of it. woman. they wouldn't be aware of t. t— woman. they wouldn't be aware of t. t wettt— woman. they wouldn't be aware of it. i would certainly— “ they wouldn't be aware of it. i would certainly have remembered— it. i would certainly have remembered it- it. i would certainly have remembered it and i would eentatnty— remembered it and i would certainly have— remembered it and i would certainly have produced a neaetten— certainly have produced a neaetten t— certainly have produced a reaction. i mean, what what is tne— reaction. i mean, what what is tne tenn— reaction. i mean, what what is the term actually— reaction. i mean, what what is the term actually means? it means you're born you're a ttttte— means you're born you're a ttttte gtnt— means you're born you're a little girl. and— means you're born you're a little girl. and then when you get etten— little girl. and then when you get etten .— little girl. and then when you get older , you're— little girl. and then when you get older , you're a woman. and get older, you're a woman. and attanentty— get older, you're a woman. and attanentty tnte— get older, you're a woman. and apparently this is— get older, you're a woman. and apparently this is so remarkable tnat— apparently this is so remarkable tnat tt— apparently this is so remarkable tnat tt neete— apparently this is so remarkable that it needs a— apparently this is so remarkable that it needs a special term and tnat— that it needs a special term and

tnat tenn— that it needs a special term and tnat tenn te— that it needs a special term and that term is cis— that it needs a special term and that term is cis gender. now, tne— that term is cis gender. now, tne tact— that term is cis gender. now, the fact that— that term is cis gender. now, the fact that over— that term is cis gender. now, the fact that over 99% of the tetntatten— the fact that over 99% of the population follow that norm , you population follow that norm, you knew,— population follow that norm, you knew tt— population follow that norm, you knew tt eeene— population follow that norm, you know, it seems to— population follow that norm, you know, it seems to me to indicate tnat— know, it seems to me to indicate tnat yet— know, it seems to me to indicate tnat yet ten-t— know, it seems to me to indicate that you don't need— know, it seems to me to indicate that you don't need a special tenn— that you don't need a special tenn ten— that you don't need a special tenn ten tt— that you don't need a special term for it. you— that you don't need a special term for it. you need a special tenn— term for it. you need a special tenn ten— term for it. you need a special term for anything— term for it. you need a special term for anything that deviates tnen— term for anything that deviates ten-nan.— term for anything that deviates from - norm. and - term for anything that deviates from norm. and that would from that norm. and that would tneennatty— from that norm. and that would nneennatty te— from that norm. and that would presumably be where you would eat— presumably be where you would eat eeneene— presumably be where you would call someone a— presumably be where you would call someone a trans man or a tnane— call someone a trans man or a trans woman. yeah,- call someone a trans man or a trans woman. / call someone a trans man or a trans woman. “tit?“ «tilt? trans woman. yeah, that's yes, i would. buti trans woman. yeah, that's yes, i would. but i would— trans woman. yeah, that's yes, i would. but i would call- trans woman. yeah, that's yes, i would. but i would call a- trans woman. “tit?“ «tilt? : but i would call a trans would. but i would call a trans woman or a trans— : but i would call a trans woman or a trans man , somebody woman or a trans man, somebody wne— woman or a trans man, somebody wne nat— woman or a trans man, somebody who had actually— woman or a trans man, somebody who had actually been through a neten— who had actually been through a proper transition— who had actually been through a proper transition .— who had actually been through a proper transition . yeah, yeah, proper transition. yeah, yeah, yeat— proper transition. yeah, yeah, yean. ant— proper transition. yeah, yeah, yean. ant yet— proper transition. yeah, yeah, yeah. and you know, i mean, going— yeah. and you know, i mean, getng tact— yeah. and you know, i mean, getng taet te— yeah. and you know, i mean, going back to the old days, jan wetne— going back to the old days, jan ttennte ten— going back to the old days, jan morris, for example , or these morris, for example, or these taye — morris, for example, or these taye, wnat-e— morris, for example, or these days, what's her— morris, for example, or these days, what's her name? c? ..«t “ days, what's her name? caitlyn tennen— days, what's her name? caitlyn jenner- catttyn— days, what's her name? caitlyn jenner . caitlyn jenner.- jenner. caitlyn jenner. wtttengnty.— caitlyn jenner. willoughby. oh yeah, yeah. so teette— willoughby. oh yeah, yeah. so teette tte— willoughby. oh yeah, yeah. so people like that— willoughby. oh yeah, yeah. so people like that who've been tnnetgn— people like that who've been tnnengn tne— people like that who've been through the whole the whole of teeee— through the whole the whole of teeee . tn— through the whole the whole of process , i'm quite— through the whole the whole of process , i'm quite happy to call process, i'm quite happy to call not process, i'm quite happy to call net tnat— process, i'm quite happy to call not that prisoner. _ process, i'm quite happy to call not that prisoner. ttit. process, i'm quite happy to call not that prisoner. \tit. not that prisoner. not that prisoner , adam graham, who prisoner, adam graham, who basically popped on some pink lycra and said, call me isla graham. so i can go to a women's prison . a women's prison? yeah.

prison. a women's prison? yeah. isla bryson so, but “ ' “ 7 yeah. isla bryson so, but somebody who etntty— isla bryson so, but somebody who etntty eaye— isla bryson so, but somebody who etntty eaye, t— isla bryson so, but somebody who etntty eaye, t an— isla bryson so, but somebody who etntty eaye, t an a— isla bryson so, but somebody who simply says, i am a man or a woman who patently obviously is not woman who patently obviously is net ant— woman who patently obviously is net ant twe-wne— woman who patently obviously is not and who've still got all the ttetegteat— not and who've still got all the biological equipment of the sex tnat— biological equipment of the sex tnat tney— biological equipment of the sex tnat tney — biological equipment of the sex that they were born in, then do not that they were born in, then do net eatt— that they were born in, then do net eatt tnat— that they were born in, then do not call that person a trans man or not call that person a trans man en tnane— not call that person a trans man or trans woman because they're tatentty— or trans woman because they're patently obviously— or trans woman because they're patently obviously either male or patently obviously either male en tenate. — patently obviously either male or female. you— patently obviously either male or female. you know, and when it te— or female. you know, and when it te teette— or female. you know, and when it comes to people being able men tetng— comes to people being able men tetng atte— comes to people being able men tetng atte te— comes to people being able men tetng atte te ge— comes to people being able men being able to go to— comes to people being able men being able to go to women's tnteene— being able to go to women's tnteene en— being able to go to women's prisons on the— being able to go to women's prisons on the basis that they are prisons on the basis that they ttenttty— prisons on the basis that they are identify as— prisons on the basis that they are identify as a— prisons on the basis that they are identify as a woman . and now are identify as a woman. and now eeneetttte— are identify as a woman. and now schoolkids are— are identify as a woman. and now schoolkids are being taught they can schoolkids are being taught they ttenttty— schoolkids are being taught they can identify as— schoolkids are being taught they can identify as a— schoolkids are being taught they can identify as a cat . well, if can identify as a cat. well, if i can identify as a cat. well, if t nat— can identify as a cat. well, if t nat a— can identify as a cat. well, if i had a child— can identify as a cat. well, if i had a child who— can identify as a cat. well, if i had a child who came home and eat— i had a child who came home and an, tn— i had a child who came home and an, tn a— i had a child who came home and an, tn a eat,— i had a child who came home and said, i'm a cat, i— i had a child who came home and said, i'm a cat, i would give it a tewt— said, i'm a cat, i would give it a tewt et— said, i'm a cat, i would give it a tewt et eat— said, i'm a cat, i would give it a bowl of cat food— said, i'm a cat, i would give it a bowl of cat food and a bowl of wt— a bowl of cat food and a bowl of nttt ant— a bowl of cat food and a bowl of nttt ant eay— a bowl of cat food and a bowl of milk and say, okay,— a bowl of cat food and a bowl of milk and say, okay, then this is wnat— milk and say, okay, then this is wnat eate— milk and say, okay, then this is wnat eate get. — milk and say, okay, then this is what cats get. i— milk and say, okay, then this is what cats get. i know. but the ttettenn — what cats get. i know. but the problem is that i mean, i think we've really understood this week, haven't we, that this extreme same ideology is seeping through school system that's through our school system that's really me. but really concerning me. but actually even more actually what's even more concerning to me is the fact that beautiful english that the beautiful english language that we have used and developed for hundreds and hundreds of years is now being

by this woke nonsense, because you can't even use the words he or she if you're in the woke world. now you can't call someone a woman. you have to call them a cis woman. i just think it's so wrong and i think j.k. rowling, who is obviously a brilliant writer, is right to say this is ideological evil. and actually we need to fight back against it. and that's why more and more an people are saying , no, more and more an people are saying, no, i'm more and more an people are saying , no, i'm not going to saying, no, i'm not going to start us using preferred pronouns. just because you want me to call you a they. i'm not going to do that because you are a he or you are a she. so the point is it mangles the language completely so that you get sentences and you read them in the press every day. the press has the press every day. the press nae atettet— the press every day. the press has adopted this— tittig the press has adopted this stupid formula. i has adopted this stupid formula. t nate— has adopted this stupid formula. t nate tt— has adopted this stupid formula. t nate tt. ant— has adopted this stupid formula. i hate it. and every day you neat,— i hate it. and every day you eat yet— i hate it. and every day you read, you know,— i hate it. and every day you read, you know, about a woman wne— read, you know, about a woman who themselves— read, you know, about a woman who themselves did such and such atttng— who themselves did such and such atntng. ant— who themselves did such and such atntng. ant tn— who themselves did such and such a thing. and i'm screaming, you cant— a thing. and i'm screaming, you cant nt— a thing. and i'm screaming, you can't mix singular— a thing. and i'm screaming, you can't mix singular and plural. no can't mix singular and plural. we ne— can't mix singular and plural. no no, no, no, no.— can't mix singular and plural. no no, no, no, no. believe me, an you know them self can't be

done. exactly. and we both know as newspaper columnists , you as newspaper columnists, you know, it's impossible not to use. correct correct. pronouns. and so i think more and more, there has to be a fight back here. and i think it's great. we're with we're with elon musk and j.k. rowling on this witty and. widdicombe great addition to and. widdicombe great addition te tne— and. widdicombe great addition te tne tatte— and. widdicombe great addition to the battle. yeah— ?“t: widdicombe great addition to the battle. yeah indeed. \tit to the battle. yeah indeed. no, no, to the battle. yeah indeed. no, veny— to the battle. yeah indeed. no, no, no. very powerful- to the battle. yeah indeed. no, no, no. very powerful allies indeed. we'll speak next week and thank you so much. but coming up , as and thank you so much. but coming up, as interest rates rise to a shocking 5, is this when the government's house of cards finally comes crashing down for fishy ? rishi, my down for fishy? rishi, my superstar panel and i debate that shortly, but next has a bombshell. new poll has meghan markle's approval rating at an all time low with the duchess red faced after spotify pulled the plug on her podcast deal and fashion house deal distancing themselves. what should we expect? montecito owners to do now? my royal masterminds, lady colin campbell and richard fitzwilliams, they're on deck after this short .

break time now for my royal masterminds, lady colin campbell. and tonight, richard fitzwilliams. and breaking tonight, a yougov poll has revealed meghan markle's approval rating has fallen to a record low of wait for it, minus 47. it's tops off a week from hell for the runaway royals as their multi—million dollar spotify deal was ripped up with bill simmons, an exec at the streaming giant, one of many famous faces stateside to take them which been involved them on, which had been involved in meghan and harry leave in the meghan and harry leave spotify negotiation. the grifters. that's the- g the grifters. that's the podcast spotify negotiation. the- grifters. that's the podcast we enettt — grifters. that's the podcast we enettt nave— grifters. that's the podcast we should have launched with them. i should have launched with them. t-tatny-e— should have launched with them. t-tatny-e a— should have launched with them. t-tatny-e a tte— should have launched with them. i-harry's a like my- should have launched with them. i-harry's a like my life- i think harry's a like my life was so hard. everybody life is hard. you were the prince of a country who dressed up as a and now you're trying to come back as the pope. ladies and genttenen—

as the pope. ladies and gentlemen, i— ladies and gentlemen, i could do 12 etteetee— gentlemen, i could do 12 etteetee tn— gentlemen, i could do 12 episodes in my sleep . 12 episodes in my sleep. 12 etteetee— episodes in my sleep. 12 episodes, 20,000,000 hours . cj“ episodes, 20,000,000 hours. oh, ttttat— episodes, 20,000,000 hours. oh, ttttat. ant— episodes, 20,000,000 hours. oh, brutal. and ladies,— episodes, 20,000,000 hours. oh, brutal. and ladies, see the fashion house deal have also distanced themselves now from meghan denying rumours of a contract negotiation going on at all. so it does really feel like the sussexes brand is in free fall. but what do you make of this yougov poll? because cause it shows that they are just getting more and more unpopular because harry's an negative territory big time . to well, i territory big time. to well, i didn't realise they- it; . well, i didn't realise they were quite as didn't realise they were quite ae tetntan— didn't realise they were quite ae tetntan ae— didn't realise they were quite as popular as they still are. i t— as popular as they still are. i mean i would— as popular as they still are. i mean i would have thought it was 220%_ mean i would have thought it was 220% nntnte— mean i would have thought it was 220% minus this. _ mean i would have thought it was 220% minus this. so it's very wett— 220% minus this. so it's very well deserved.— 220% minus this. so it's very well deserved. they have earned it well deserved. they have earned tt ant— well deserved. they have earned tt ant tney-ne— well deserved. they have earned it and they're going to get it ant— it and they're going to get it ant tney-ne— it and they're going to get it and they're getting it . i think and they're getting it. i think it and they're getting it. i think tt enee— and they're getting it. i think tt enee yet— and they're getting it. i think it shows, you know , as the it shows, you know, as the tannateane— it shows, you know, as the tannateane eay— it shows, you know, as the jamaicans say, when you spit in the jamaicans say, when you spit in tne ety— jamaicans say, when you spit in tne ety, tt— jamaicans say, when you spit in the sky, it might— jamaicans say, when you spit in the sky, it might fall in your eye. — the sky, it might fall in your

eye. ant— the sky, it might fall in your eye. ant tte— the sky, it might fall in your eye. and it's certainly fallen in eye. and it's certainly fallen tn tnetn— eye. and it's certainly fallen tn tnetn eye.— eye. and it's certainly fallen in their eye. what's so interesting,— in their eye. what's so interesting, lady c, is it feels tte— interesting, lady c, is it feels ttte tnte— interesting, lady c, is it feels like this week— interesting, lady c, is it feels like this week the floodgates nave— like this week the floodgates nawe etenet— like this week the floodgates have opened in— like this week the floodgates have opened in terms of people in have opened in terms of people tn nettyweet— have opened in terms of people in hollywood, big— have opened in terms of people in hollywood, big american names are in hollywood, big american names tne— in hollywood, big american names ttne .— in hollywood, big american names ttne . enty— in hollywood, big american names are fine , only realising are fine, only realising aettatty— are fine, only realising actually we- are fine, only realising actually we can be honest about wnat— actually we can be honest about wnat we— actually we can be honest about wnat we teet— actually we can be honest about what we feel about— actually we can be honest about what we feel about harry and ategnan— what we feel about harry and ttegnan .— what we feel about harry and ttegnan . wee.— what we feel about harry and meghan . yes. yes— what we feel about harry and meghan . yes. yes absolutely. and meghan. yes. yes absolutely. and you meghan. yes. yes absolutely. and yet knew,— meghan. yes. yes absolutely. and yet tnew tan— meghan. yes. yes absolutely. and you know, dan, i've— meghan. yes. yes absolutely. and you know, dan, i've been eteattng— you know, dan, i've been eteattng te— you know, dan, i've been speaking to people in hollywood and speaking to people in hollywood ant tney— speaking to people in hollywood and they confirm _ speaking to people in hollywood and they confirm what you said. tne— and they confirm what you said. tne etten— and they confirm what you said. the other evening.— and they confirm what you said. the other evening. netflix is getttng— the other evening. netflix is getttng neaty— the other evening. netflix is getting ready to— the other evening. netflix is getting ready to give them the old getting ready to give them the ett teate— getting ready to give them the old heave for— getting ready to give them the old heave for the— getting ready to give them the old heave for the darlings just teeen-t— old heave for the darlings just teeen-t yew— old heave for the darlings just doesn't your heart for break tnene— doesn't your heart for break tent on— doesn't your heart for break them? oh, i'm— doesn't your heart for break them? oh, i'm richard . nice to them? oh, i'm richard. nice to yet— them? oh, i'm richard. nice to yet .— them? oh, i'm richard. nice to see you , richard. _ them? oh, i'm richard. nice to see you , richard. ' ”c: see you, richard. are you heanng see you, richard. are you hearing the same thing that that this netflix deal could be the next one to go ? well, this is next one to go? well, this is tne— next one to go? well, this is tne tntng— next one to go? well, this is tne tntng .— next one to go? well, this is tne tntng . t— next one to go? well, this is the thing . i firstly- “tix. g 7 well, this is the thing . i firstly mean, let the thing. i firstly mean, let me— the thing. i firstly mean, let me welcome the— the thing. i firstly mean, let me welcome the results of this get — me welcome the results of this get tney— me welcome the results of this poll. they deserve— me welcome the results of this poll. “cat : . they've poll. they deserve it. they've eanet— poll. they deserve it. they've eanet tt— poll. they deserve it. they've eanet tt. ae— poll. they deserve it. they've earned it. as georgie- poll. “cat : . they've earned it. as georgie said . i

earned it. as georgie said. i tne— earned it. as georgie said. i mean, the facts— earned it. as georgie said. i mean, the facts are that they never cared very— mean, the facts are that they never cared very much about how tney— never cared very much about how tney wee— never cared very much about how they were regarded _ never cared very much about how they were regarded in britain. ant— they were regarded in britain. ant tnte— they were regarded in britain. and this clearly— they were regarded in britain. and this clearly shows- they were regarded in britain. and this clearly shows they're not. i'd like to see a further tett— not. i'd like to see a further tett neganttng— not. i'd like to see a further poll regarding the- i'd like to see a further poll regarding the ratings in anentea— poll regarding the ratings in anentea te— poll regarding the ratings in america to newsweek polls had ten — america to newsweek polls had ten at— america to newsweek polls had them at abominable levels eantten— them at abominable levels eantten tn— them at abominable levels earlier in the— them at abominable levels earlier in the year, and then tne— earlier in the year, and then tne neet— earlier in the year, and then the most recent— earlier in the year, and then the most recent yougov poll i nat— the most recent yougov poll i nat a— the most recent yougov poll i saw had a more— the most recent yougov poll i saw had a more balanced picture . se— saw had a more balanced picture . se tan— saw had a more balanced picture . se tan ae— saw had a more balanced picture . so far as netflix— saw had a more balanced picture . so far as netflix are concerned— . so far as netflix are concerned. - . so far as netflix are concerned . ' “t: . so far as netflix are concerned . '“t: . so far as netflix are- concerned . and i think a lot concerned. and i think a lot rests on this because they've lost spotify . they can't lost spotify. they can't trademark archetypes . and if trademark archetypes. and if they were to lose netflix and that's the hundred billion, $1 billion, then that really would be absolutely seismic . but i be absolutely seismic. but i think they're going to make a fight back, you see. and the other problem is, if they have it rough and hard, a lot of people will take a great deal of delight in seeing them torn down because look at the way they've built each other up built built each other up or built themselves up. it's been ruthless. here's the problem ruthless. but here's the problem will that make life easier for the royal family or will they, for example, look at the random house contract, which they've still meghan could write

still got. meghan could write a memoir. harry could take the 400 pages and use in spotify, or he could have write a book about his early childhood . so there his early childhood. so there are sorts of things as one are all sorts of things as one welcomes certain results which are richly deserved that could go very wrong for others. and of course we wonder how harry's court cases are going to go. the problem is lady c, they are stuck between a bit of a rock and a hard place, though, aren't they, because their popularity is dropping because of their content and attacks on the royal family, even the americans don't like anymore . however, if like that anymore. however, if they like that anymore. however, if tney want— like that anymore. however, if tney want te— like that anymore. however, if they want to make _ like that anymore. however, if they want to make this,- . ?“yt i“tititi however, if they want to make this, which is all they want to make this, which is at tney— they want to make this, which is at tney ane— they want to make this, which is all they care about— they want to make this, which is all they care about , they're all they care about, they're going— all they care about, they're getng te— all they care about, they're getng te nate— all they care about, they're going to have to keep unleashing tneee— going to have to keep unleashing those attacks. _ going to have to keep unleashing those attacks. in— going to have to keep unleashing those attacks. in meghan's book, for those attacks. in meghan's book, ten exantte— those attacks. in meghan's book, for example. well— those attacks. in meghan's book, for example. well i— those attacks. in meghan's book, for example. well i think the enty— for example. well i think the enty tntng— for example. well i think the only thing people are interested in only thing people are interested tn te— only thing people are interested tn te wnat— only thing people are interested in is what they— only thing people are interested in is what they have to say atett— in is what they have to say atett tne— in is what they have to say about the royal— in is what they have to say about the royal family whether it's about the royal family whether tt-e negattwe— about the royal family whether it's negative or— about the royal family whether it's negative or positive . it's negative or positive. i ten-t— it's negative or positive. i ten-t tttnt— it's negative or positive. i don't think anybody's interested in anything else they have to say. neither of them has very much of a brain and neither of them really has anything to

contribute to the edification of people . and, you know, they're people. and, you know, they're both boring. i mean , everybody both boring. i mean, everybody has an appetite for scandal and gossip , and they has an appetite for scandal and gossip, and they might not like it, but they still want to hear it. but i mean, do we want to hear meghan pontificating about her? wonderful. she is one act of cruelty at a time. i don't think so. no thank you. and waen-t— think so. no thank you. and wasn't trevor— \tit thank you. and wasn't trevor phillips just eenttetety— wasn't trevor phillips just completely right, by wasn't trevor phillips just completely right , by the way, completely right, by the way, taty— completely right, by the way, taty c,— completely right, by the way, taty a te— completely right, by the way, taty c, te eay— completely right, by the way, lady c, to say, actually, we nat — lady c, to say, actually, we nat a— lady c, to say, actually, we never had a problem with her teaee— never had a problem with her teaee et— never had a problem with her because of her— never had a problem with her because of her race? you know, ene— because of her race? you know, ene wae— because of her race? you know, she was embraced— because of her race? you know, she was embraced in britain. it netttng— she was embraced in britain. it netntng te— she was embraced in britain. it was nothing to do— she was embraced in britain. it was nothing to do with the tweet— was nothing to do with the etneet et— was nothing to do with the colour of her— was nothing to do with the colour of her skin. titti.. . colour of her skin. well, isn't it wonderful , i have to say, it wonderful, i have to say, trevor phillips is a capital guy . he's so good and he's so measured. he's a great friend of a great friend of mine. and, you know, it's nice to have somebody who was the head of the equalities committee on calling her out as being the fraud that

she is. and i mean, when you stop to think of the mischief that she has created, not only in terms of ruining the deaths of the duke of edinburgh and the queen, but ruining all sorts of things in the commonwealth. i mean, being jamaican, i know that her conduct was directly responsible for the failure of the wales talks. it was to me, yes, it was. but she loved that ene— yes, it was. but she loved that ene tewet— yes, it was. but she loved that she loved that— yes, it was. but she loved that she loved that she— «tilt? . but she loved that she loved that she thought that was she loved that she thought that a neettt— she loved that she thought that was a result. it— she loved that she thought that was a result. it you know, and yet-ne— was a result. it you know, and ye agn— was a result. it you know, and ye an, t— was a result. it you know, and you're right, it did— was a result. it you know, and you're right, it did. was a result. it you know, and you're right, it did . it you're right, it did. it destroyed— you're right, it did. it destroyed it.- you're right, it did. it destroyed it. but look back in tnttatn— destroyed it. but look back in tnttatn tne— destroyed it. but look back in britain, the wales's eldest son, a ennee— britain, the wales's eldest son, a prince george— britain, the wales's eldest son, a prince george heir to the am...— a prince george heir to the no... nae— a prince george heir to the throne, has been spotted today on throne, has been spotted today en a wet— throne, has been spotted today en a wetla— throne, has been spotted today on a visit-a rather- throne, has been spotted today on a visit a rather well on a visit to a rather well tnewn— on a visit to a rather well known school.— on a visit to a rather well known school. second in line to the known school. second in line to tne tnnene. — known school. second in line to the throne. george,— known school. second in line to the throne. george, who turns ten— the throne. george, who turns ten next— the throne. george, who turns ten next month,— the throne. george, who turns ten next month, visited eton, tntteattng— ten next month, visited eton, indicating that— ten next month, visited eton, indicating that he's likely to tettew— indicating that he's likely to tettew tn— indicating that he's likely to follow in his— indicating that he's likely to follow in his father's footsteps in follow in his father's footsteps tn attenttng— follow in his father's footsteps in attending the— follow in his father's footsteps in attending the illustrious tette— in attending the illustrious public school,— in attending the illustrious public school, richard , do you public school, richard, do you tntnt— public school, richard, do you tntnt tte— public school, richard, do you think it's inevitable that the tteyat— think it's inevitable that the tteyat tantty— think it's inevitable that the royal family will follow this tantttan— royal family will follow this familiar tradition , or should

familiar tradition, or should watee— familiar tradition, or should watee ant— familiar tradition, or should wales and perhaps be looking to tneenen— wales and perhaps be looking to freshen things— wales and perhaps be looking to freshen things up— wales and perhaps be looking to freshen things up ? titti.. freshen things up? well, i think the problem here has always been to board or not to board. and i think william and catherine will be very, very sensitive on this depending on the various characteristics of obviously, george the future king, but also obviously charlotte and louis would how would they each individually really respond to a boarding school? would this be an environment that they'd like? and i think that is the driving force here. the fact that, of course, we know william had also . harry we know well , went to . harry we know well, went to eton. i mean, yeah, we've heard all about that, haven't we, ladies ? see. do you think do you ladies? see. do you think do you tntnt— ladies? see. do you think do you tntnt teenge— ladies? see. do you think do you think george will— ladies? see. do you think do you think george will end— ?t: 7 see. do you think do you think george will end up at eton 7 think george will end up at eton e t— think george will end up at eton e t tttnt— think george will end up at eton e ttttnt tte— think george will end up at eton ? i think it's there's— think george will end up at eton ? i think it's there's a- think george will end up at eton ? i think it's there's a very good chance. i mean, there are many really good reasons for being at eton. it's very near to windsor. uh, you know, so . so windsor. uh, you know, so. so that's a great convenor for anybody who has a connection to the royal family and it's a very

good school. and he is academically gifted enough to get he will do well. and you know, as a future king, eton is one of the best schools in the world. and as you say, get a better education. yeah. and as you say, it's so close to- you say, it's so close to wtnteen— you say, it's so close to windsor that- you say, it's so close to windsor that he could be popping tact— windsor that he could be popping taet ant— windsor that he could be popping taet ant tenn— windsor that he could be popping back and forth very— windsor that he could be popping back and forth very easily. so taty— back and forth very easily. so taty cettn— back and forth very easily. so lady colin campbell, richard fitzwilliams,— lady colin campbell, richard fitzwilliams, great to have you wttn— fitzwilliams, great to have you wttnittenant— fitzwilliams, great to have you with richard thank you both with us. richard thank you both so with us. richard thank you both ee neet— with us. richard thank you both ee nten .— with us. richard thank you both so much . have— with us. richard thank you both so much . have a— with us. richard thank you both so much . have a great weekend. so much. have a great weekend. tut— so much. have a great weekend. tut eentng— so much. have a great weekend. tut eentng-ae— so much. have a great weekend. but coming as rescuers but coming up, as rescuers eenttnn— but coming up, as rescuers eenttnn tne— but coming up, as rescuers confirm the missing thai titanic sub confirm the missing thai titanic ett tn— confirm the missing thai titanic ett tn tne— confirm the missing thai titanic sub in the north— confirm the missing thai titanic sub in the north atlantic etttenet— sub in the north atlantic suffered a— sub in the north atlantic suffered a catastrophic tnnteeten— suffered a catastrophic implosion. i'm joined by two men wne— implosion. i'm joined by two men wne tnew— implosion. i'm joined by two men wne tnew tne— implosion. i'm joined by two men who knew the crew— implosion. i'm joined by two men who knew the crew closely. tttante— who knew the crew closely. titanic expert— who knew the crew closely. titanic expert craig soap and a tee— titanic expert craig soap and a eteee tntent— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of the— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of the pilot, paul tenny— close friend of the pilot, paul nenny. wtget— close friend of the pilot, paul henry. nigel and— close friend of the pilot, paul henry. nigel and guillermo setetan— henry. nigel and guillermo soledar lee,— henry. nigel and guillermo soledar lee, the founder and ceo of soledar lee, the founder and ceo et oceangate-— soledar lee, the founder and ceo of oceangate. i'm— soledar lee, the founder and ceo of oceangate. i'm going to join me twe— of oceangate. i'm going to join me ttwe te— of oceangate. i'm going to join me live to react— of oceangate. i'm going to join me live to react to— of oceangate. i'm going to join me live to react to tonight's tnagte— me live to react to tonight's tnagte nee— me live to react to tonight's tragic news in— me live to react to tonight's tragic news in the media. buzz as tragic news in the media. buzz ae tnteneet— tragic news in the media. buzz as interest rates— tragic news in the media. buzz as interest rates rise to a eneettng— as interest rates rise to a eneettng 5.— as interest rates rise to a shocking 5. is— as interest rates rise to a shocking 5. is this when the geeente— shocking 5. is this when the government's house of cards

ttnatty— government's house of cards finally comes— government's house of cards finally comes crashing down? tette— finally comes crashing down? ttte ae— finally comes crashing down? plus, as schofield's young lover gete— plus, as schofield's young lover gete eet— plus, as schofield's young lover gete eet te— plus, as schofield's young lover gets set to have— plus, as schofield's young lover gets set to have his say, will ttv— gets set to have his say, will ttv teeeee— gets set to have his say, will itv bosses be— gets set to have his say, will itv bosses be nervous about what he itv bosses be nervous about what ne eettt— itv bosses be nervous about what he could reveal?— itv bosses be nervous about what he could reveal? both those tetatee— he could reveal? both those tetatee ane— he could reveal? both those debates are coming up in just a nnennent — debates are coming up in just a nnennent we-ne— debates are coming up in just a moment. we're also going to have a nnet— moment. we're also going to have a ttnet teet— moment. we're also going to have a ttnet teet at— moment. we're also going to have a first look at tomorrow's newetaten— a first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages for you. tet— newspaper front pages for you. tet ett— newspaper front pages for you. tet ett tne— newspaper front pages for you. hot off the press.— newspaper front pages for you. hot off the press. don't go anywnene. — hot off the press. don't go anywhere. we're back in just two ntnttee— anywhere. we're back in just two ntnttee tne— anywhere. we're back in just two ntnttee ttne .—

is 10 pm. i'm dan wootton. tentgnt— is 10 pm. i'm dan wootton. tentgnt tt— is 10 pm. i'm dan wootton. tonight 111 years— is 10 pm. i'm dan wootton. tonight 111 years after sinking in tonight 111 years after sinking tn tne— tonight 111 years after sinking in the atlantic,— tonight 111 years after sinking in the atlantic, the titanic etatne— in the atlantic, the titanic etatne nen— in the atlantic, the titanic claims her latest victims debris tnen— claims her latest victims debris tnen tne— claims her latest victims debris from the missing— claims her latest victims debris from the missing titan submarine is from the missing titan submarine te tteeewenet— from the missing titan submarine is discovered by— from the missing titan submarine is discovered by rescue teams wttn— is discovered by rescue teams wttn tne— is discovered by rescue teams with the vessel— is discovered by rescue teams with the vessel suffering a catastrophic— with the vessel suffering a catastrophic implosion that ttttet— catastrophic implosion that ttttet tne— catastrophic implosion that kitted the five— catastrophic implosion that killed the five souls on board. tentgnt— killed the five souls on board. tentgnt, tn— killed the five souls on board. tonight, i'm joined live by the wne—

tonight, i'm joined live by the man who co—founded the firm that nate— man who co—founded the firm that nate tnat— man who co—founded the firm that made that doomed— man who co—founded the firm that made that doomed sub , guillermo made that doomed sub, guillermo senntetn— made that doomed sub, guillermo senntetn an— made that doomed sub, guillermo sohnlein, an and— made that doomed sub, guillermo sohnlein, an and world renowned tttante— sohnlein, an and world renowned tttante extent— sohnlein, an and world renowned tttante extent .— sohnlein, an and world renowned titanic expert , craig soap, and titanic expert, craig soap, and a teneenat— titanic expert, craig soap, and a personal friend— titanic expert, craig soap, and a personal friend of titan pilot tatt— a personal friend of titan pilot taut tenny— a personal friend of titan pilot taut tenny .— a personal friend of titan pilot paul henry. nigel, both will gtwe— paul henry. nigel, both will gtwe tnetn— paul henry. nigel, both will give their emotional first neattene— give their emotional first reactions live— give their emotional first reactions live on this show very enentty— reactions live on this show very enentty .— reactions live on this show very enentty . atee— reactions live on this show very shortly . also tonight, the bank shortly. also tonight, the bank of shortly. also tonight, the bank et tngtant— shortly. also tonight, the bank of england sparks an economic tttat— of england sparks an economic tttat wae— of england sparks an economic tidal wave with— of england sparks an economic tidal wave with a— of england sparks an economic tidal wave with a shock interest nate— tidal wave with a shock interest nate nee— tidal wave with a shock interest nate te— tidal wave with a shock interest nate te 5.— tidal wave with a shock interest rate rise to 5. so— tidal wave with a shock interest rate rise to 5. so is— tidal wave with a shock interest rate rise to 5. so is this rishi senat— rate rise to 5. so is this rishi stnat nen— rate rise to 5. so is this rishi sunak men annus- rate rise to 5. so is this rishi sunak men annus horribilis the nentn— sunak men annus horribilis the nentn tte— sunak men annus horribilis the month his government's house of eatte— month his government's house of eante ttnatty— month his government's house of cards finally comes— month his government's house of cards finally comes crashing tewn— cards finally comes crashing tewn en— cards finally comes crashing tewn en ny— cards finally comes crashing down on my superstar panel. give tnetn— down on my superstar panel. give tnetn wenttet— down on my superstar panel. give their verdict next.— down on my superstar panel. give their verdict next. and tonight, i'm their verdict next. and tonight, tn tetnet— their verdict next. and tonight, tn joined ty— their verdict next. and tonight, i'm joined by carol mcgiffin, nattng— i'm joined by carol mcgiffin, nattng tte— i'm joined by carol mcgiffin, making his debut, the former conservative— making his debut, the former conservative cabinet minister, tantt— conservative cabinet minister, ranil jayawardena and amy tenet.— ranil jayawardena and amy nicholl. plus,— ranil jayawardena and amy nicholl. plus, a— ranil jayawardena and amy nicholl. plus, a bomb shell twtet— nicholl. plus, a bomb shell twtet tn— nicholl. plus, a bomb shell twist in the— nicholl. plus, a bomb shell twist in the phillip schofield eeantat— twist in the phillip schofield eeantat .— twist in the phillip schofield scandal . the— twist in the phillip schofield scandal . the young itv runner scandal. the young itv runner entnettet— scandal. the young itv runner entnettet tn— scandal. the young itv runner embroiled in the— scandal. the young itv runner embroiled in the affair is now teteet— embroiled in the affair is now teteet te— embroiled in the affair is now poised to spill— embroiled in the affair is now poised to spill the beans, tnettttng— poised to spill the beans, including rubbishing itv claims. we-ne— including rubbishing itv claims. we-ne tett— including rubbishing itv claims. we're told that— including rubbishing itv claims. we're told that he— including rubbishing itv claims. we're told that he was routinely gttzzet— we're told that he was routinely gntzzet atett— we're told that he was routinely quizzed about the _ we're told that he was routinely quizzed about the romance . don't quizzed about the romance. don't nnee— quizzed about the romance. don't tnat— quizzed about the romance. don't tnat tn— quizzed about the romance. don't miss that in the— quizzed about the romance. don't miss that in the media, buzz in tneaneetet. — miss that in the media, buzz in uncanceled. why— miss that in the media, buzz in uncanceled. why did elton john's ntetant— uncanceled. why did elton john's husband david— uncanceled. why did elton john's husband david furnish admit

senettett— husband david furnish admit schofield made— husband david furnish admit schofield made a colossal error of schofield made a colossal error et tntgenent— schofield made a colossal error of judgement for— schofield made a colossal error of judgement for later, telling sky of judgement for later, telling sty wewe— of judgement for later, telling sty wewe tnat— of judgement for later, telling sky news that he was a victim of nenetnettae— sky news that he was a victim of homophobia? fly— sky news that he was a victim of homophobia? fly street legend aewtn— homophobia? fly street legend kelvin mackenzie targets scopes nyneentte— kelvin mackenzie targets scopes hypocrite defenders plus explore of hypocrite defenders plus explore et new— hypocrite defenders plus explore of new accusations— hypocrite defenders plus explore of new accusations against the ttt— of new accusations against the tee tnat— of new accusations against the tee tnat tt— of new accusations against the bbc that it misled the public ttanttn— bbc that it misled the public over martin bashir's princess ttana— over martin bashir's princess diana shenanigans. meanwhile, the diana shenanigans. meanwhile, tne twe— diana shenanigans. meanwhile, tne tt-e tet— diana shenanigans. meanwhile, the uk's top former equalities commissioner— the uk's top former equalities commissioner blasts the duke and tteneee— commissioner blasts the duke and tteneee et— commissioner blasts the duke and duchess of whinge_ commissioner blasts the duke and duchess of whinge for unforgivably- duchess of whinge for unforgivably his word, squandering a golden chance to enew— squandering a golden chance to enew tne— squandering a golden chance to show the best— squandering a golden chance to show the best of— squandering a golden chance to show the best of britain. so is sir show the best of britain. so is en teen— show the best of britain. so is sir trevor phillips— show the best of britain. so is sir trevor phillips right that nanny— sir trevor phillips right that nanny ant— sir trevor phillips right that harry and meghan could have enatet— harry and meghan could have enatet tne— harry and meghan could have shaped the world for millions by nnewng— shaped the world for millions by tnewng en— shaped the world for millions by proving our anti—racist credentials?- proving our anti—racist credentials? find out as well wnen— credentials? find out as well wnten tet— credentials? find out as well which pop megastar earned her nate— which pop megastar earned her nate ty— which pop megastar earned her halo by donating— which pop megastar earned her halo by donating a £1 million enette— halo by donating a £1 million enette te— halo by donating a £1 million enegne te a— halo by donating a £1 million cheque to a needy restaurant . cheque to a needy restaurant. tnat-e— cheque to a needy restaurant. tnat-e wnen— cheque to a needy restaurant. tnat-e wnen t— cheque to a needy restaurant. that's when i crown my bucha. ttt— that's when i crown my bucha. ttt yet— that's when i crown my bucha. ttt yen net— that's when i crown my bucha. ttt yen ttet nt— that's when i crown my bucha. did you pick up on— that's when i crown my bucha. did you pick up on the hint tnenee— did you pick up on the hint there? we'll— did you pick up on the hint there? we'll have tomorrow's newetaten— there? we'll have tomorrow's newspaper front— there? we'll have tomorrow's newspaper front pages for you. tet— newspaper front pages for you. tet-tne— newspaper front pages for you. tet-tne tneee— newspaper front pages for you. hot-the press in— newspaper front pages for you. hot the press in mere hot off the press in mere moments, but— hot off the press in mere moments, but with the latest on the moments, but with the latest on tne tttante— moments, but with the latest on the titanic drama— the titanic drama polly middlehurst— the titanic drama polly middlehurst . “j?“

the titanic drama polly- middlehurst . dan, thank you. middlehurst. dan, thank you. well, the top story tonight is the sad news that the expedition company of the titan submersible say they believe the pilot and four passengers on board the titan submersible that was on its way to see the titanic wreckage below the north atlantic ocean are all dead. ocean gate pilot and ceo stockton rush uk citizens. hamish harding, shahzada dawood sherwood and his son sulaiman dawood and the french national paul henri gnanduillet lost contact with their support ship on sunday, an hour and 45 minutes into their descent to the wreckage of the titanic, the us coastguard confirming this evening their bodies may never be recovered remotely . operated be recovered remotely. operated vehicles had found a debris area and had found sections of the submersible and it will remain on scene to develop a theory, a timeline of what actually

happened. timeline of what actually happened . rear admiral john happened. rear admiral john mauger said the five pieces of debns mauger said the five pieces of debris found in the search for the missing sub earlier today were consistent with a catastrophic loss of pressure in rov or remote operated vehicle , rov or remote operated vehicle, all from the vessel horizon . an all from the vessel horizon. an arctic discovered the tailcone of arctic discovered the tailcone et tne — arctic discovered the tailcone et tne tttan— arctic discovered the tailcone of the titan submersible . of the titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the bow approximately 1600 feet from the tew et— approximately 1600 feet from the tew et tne — approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic— approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic on the eeatteen— bow of the titanic on the eeatteen .— bow of the titanic on the seafloor . the— bow of the titanic on the seafloor . the rov subsequently seafloor. the rov subsequently tetnt— seafloor. the rov subsequently found additional— seafloor. the rov subsequently found additional debris in consultation— found additional debris in consultation with experts from wttntn — consultation with experts from wttntn tne — consultation with experts from within the unified command. the tetnte— within the unified command. the tetnte te— within the unified command. the debris is consistent— within the unified command. the debris is consistent with the eataetnetnte— debris is consistent with the catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber. well here in the pressure chamber. well here in tne gt,— pressure chamber. well here in tne ua, tne— pressure chamber. well here in the uk, the foreign secretary tanee— the uk, the foreign secretary james cleverly,— the uk, the foreign secretary james cleverly, has paid tribute . tweettng— james cleverly, has paid tribute , tweeting tragic— james cleverly, has paid tribute , tweeting tragic news that tneee— , tweeting tragic news that tneee en — , tweeting tragic news that those on the— , tweeting tragic news that those on the titan submersible, tnettttng— those on the titan submersible, including three— those on the titan submersible, including three british etttzene— including three british citizens, have been lost

tettewtng— citizens, have been lost following an _ citizens, have been lost following an international eeatt— following an international search operation . search operation. the uk government is closely supporting the families affected and expresses our deepest condolences as well. today's other top story, the bank of england raised the interest rate by half a percentage point , up by half a percentage point, up to 5. now the highest rate in 15 years. as the bank tried to tackle inflation, the bank's governor, andrew bailey, said onune governor, andrew bailey, said online inflation is still too high and must be dealt with. but he added if we don't raise rates now, it will be worse later. it's the 13th time in a row the bank has increased the interest rate. the labour leader, sir keir starmer, said . it's 13 keir starmer, said. it's 13 years of conservative government failure. speaking to a warehouse in kent, this afternoon, the prime minister, though, said there is no easy fix, but halving inflation is still his top priority . he rooting out top priority. he rooting out tnttatten— top priority. he rooting out inflation is— top priority. he rooting out inflation is not— .«t he rooting out inflation is not easy. it neattee— inflation is not easy. it requires difficult decisions . requires difficult decisions. teeen-t— requires difficult decisions. doesn't happen overnight, but if we ten-t— doesn't happen overnight, but if we ten-t get— doesn't happen overnight, but if we ten-t get en— doesn't happen overnight, but if we don't get on top of it, it

went— we don't get on top of it, it wettt teet— we don't get on top of it, it would just get— we don't get on top of it, it would just get worse and it went— would just get worse and it wettt taet— would just get worse and it would last longer. and that's net— would last longer. and that's net getng— would last longer. and that's net getng te— would last longer. and that's not going to do— would last longer. and that's not going to do anyone any tawewe tte— not going to do anyone any favours. it's not— not going to do anyone any favours. it's not going to be geet— favours. it's not going to be geet ten— favours. it's not going to be geet ten yet— favours. it's not going to be good for you and families good for you and your families in good for you and your families tnntn- ant- good for you and your families in-run. and even- good for you and your families in run. and even though in the long run. and even though it in the long run. and even though tt meane— in the long run. and even though it means they'll— in the long run. and even though it means they'll have to make some-decisions,- it means they'll have to make some decisions, that's some difficult decisions, that's the some difficult decisions, that's tne—wtnteten- the type of prime minister i am teaee— the type of prime minister i am tetatee-te— the type of prime minister i am because _to do- the type of prime minister i am because _to do the- the type of prime minister i am because to do the right because i want to do the right tntng— because i want to do the right tntng ten— because i want to do the right tntng ten yet— because i want to do the right thing for you and— because i want to do the right thing for you and your families in thing for you and your families tn tne— thing for you and your families tn tne teng— thing for you and your families in the long term.— thing for you and your families in the long term. _ thing for you and your families in the long term. \tt;fit"�*t" thing for you and your families in the long term. ttint t in the long term. now, at royal ascot today, one particular horse has caused quite an upset, winning norfolk at an winning the norfolk stakes at an odds of 150 to 1 valiant force fidden odds of 150 to 1 valiant force ridden by jockey ross o'brien becomes the longest priced winner at ascot in its racing history. meanwhile, one of the king and queen's horses desert hero, won the king george the fifth stakes in a photo finish. charles and camilla looking ecstatic as they were photographed watching their 18 to 1 thoroughbred claim victory . you're up to date on tv online .you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app here with gb news, britain's news .

news. channel tomorrow's news site now in our mediabuzz and the first front pages are in one story dominating as you'd expect the metro leads with the tragic news that five titanic explorers have died. their headline titan five ttet— died. their headline titan five ttet tn— died. their headline titan five died in implode— died. their headline titan five died in implode .— t: tit: their headline titan five died in implode . on the died in implode. on the independent— died in implode. on the independent headline says sub seanen— independent headline says sub seanen tnte— independent headline says sub search ends in— independent headline says sub search ends in tragedy as debris teweate— search ends in tragedy as debris reveals implosion— search ends in tragedy as debris reveals implosion five on board the reveals implosion five on board tne tetntet— reveals implosion five on board the tourist submersible died as wneetage— the tourist submersible died as wreckage found— the tourist submersible died as wreckage found near the tttante-e— wreckage found near the titanic's bow— wreckage found near the titanic's bow indicates catastrophic- titanic's bow indicates catastrophic loss of pressure . catastrophic loss of pressure. we-ne— catastrophic loss of pressure. we're actually— catastrophic loss of pressure. we're actually going to be eteattng— we're actually going to be eteattng te— we're actually going to be speaking to the founder of eeeangate— speaking to the founder of oceangate very shortly . but oceangate very shortly. but na— oceangate very shortly. but na, ny— oceangate very shortly. but first, my superstar panel. back wttn— first, my superstar panel. back wttn ne— first, my superstar panel. back wttn tne— first, my superstar panel. back with me, the broadcaster and eettnntet— with me, the broadcaster and columnist carol— with me, the broadcaster and columnist carol mcgiffin, the tennen— columnist carol mcgiffin, the former conservative cabinet ntntetet— former conservative cabinet minister, randall jayawardena, and minister, randall jayawardena, ant tne— minister, randall jayawardena, and the author— minister, randall jayawardena, and the author and broadcaster amy— and the author and broadcaster

any wtenett— and the author and broadcaster any wtenett .— and the author and broadcaster amy nicholl . now, britain's amy nicholl. now, britain's ttnanetat— amy nicholl. now, britain's financial storm _ amy nicholl. now, britain's financial storm threatened to twn— financial storm threatened to twn tnte— financial storm threatened to twn tnte a— financial storm threatened to turn into a tsunami today with the turn into a tsunami today with tne tant— turn into a tsunami today with tne tant et— turn into a tsunami today with the bank of england's shock tnteneet— the bank of england's shock interest rate _ the bank of england's shock interest rate rise— the bank of england's shock interest rate rise to 5. and tte— interest rate rise to 5. and tt-e teet— interest rate rise to 5. and tt-e ttet getng— interest rate rise to 5. and it's just going to go up over tne— it's just going to go up over tne next— it's just going to go up over the next few— it's just going to go up over the next few months. the move tntttetet— the next few months. the move inflicted more— the next few months. the move inflicted more pain on cash etnattet— inflicted more pain on cash strapped brits,— inflicted more pain on cash strapped brits, not least those on strapped brits, not least those en wantatte— strapped brits, not least those on variable mortgages whose taynente— on variable mortgages whose taynente nate— on variable mortgages whose payments have rocketed by up to ataoo— payments have rocketed by up to auto a— payments have rocketed by up to £1,400 a month.— payments have rocketed by up to £1,400 a month. a— payments have rocketed by up to £1,400 a month. a looming recession heaps— £1,400 a month. a looming recession heaps yet more pressure on rishi sunak, who was tatgnatty— pressure on rishi sunak, who was laughably billed— pressure on rishi sunak, who was laughably billed as a safe pair of laughably billed as a safe pair et nante— laughably billed as a safe pair of hands when— laughably billed as a safe pair of hands when he— laughably billed as a safe pair of hands when he ousted the best tnne— of hands when he ousted the best prime minister— of hands when he ousted the best prime minister we— of hands when he ousted the best prime minister we never really nat— prime minister we never really nat tne— prime minister we never really nat tne tett— prime minister we never really had the bold liz— prime minister we never really had the bold liz truss last yea.— had the bold liz truss last yean. tneee— had the bold liz truss last year. these were the pm's mealy nettnet— year. these were the pm's mealy mouthed comments on the tntetttng— mouthed comments on the unfolding crisis— mouthed comments on the unfolding crisis earlier today. tn— unfolding crisis earlier today. tn nene— unfolding crisis earlier today. tn nene te— unfolding crisis earlier today. i'm here to tell— unfolding crisis earlier today. i'm here to tell you that i am tetatty— i'm here to tell you that i am tetatty teete— i'm here to tell you that i am totally 100% on— i'm here to tell you that i am totally 100% on it— i'm here to tell you that i am totally 100% on it and it is totally100% on it and it is going— totally100% on it and it is getng te— totally100% on it and it is getng te te— totally 100% on it and it is going to be okay and we are going— going to be okay and we are getng te— going to be okay and we are getng te get— going to be okay and we are going to get through this and tnat— going to get through this and tnat te— going to get through this and tnat te tne— going to get through this and that is the most— going to get through this and that is the most important tntng. — that is the most important tntng. t— that is the most important thing. i wanted— that is the most important thing. i wanted to let you know tetay— thing. i wanted to let you know tetay. wew— thing. i wanted to let you know tetay. wew yet— thing. i wanted to let you know today. now you should know, teet— today. now you should know, teet, t— today. now you should know, teet, t tnew— today. now you should know, look, i know this— today. now you should know, look, i know this won't make it any— look, i know this won't make it any eaeten— look, i know this won't make it any ttt— look, i know this won't make it any easier, but we're any easier, but what we're grappling— any easier, but what we're grappling-is- any easier, but what we're- grappling-is something grappling with here is something that grappling with here is something tnat nany— grappling with here is something that many countries around the went— that many countries around the went-atee— that many countries around the world also grappling with at world are also grappling with at the world are also grappling with at tne—we— world are also grappling with at tne—we ane- world are also grappling with at the—we are right. the same time as we are right new-teet- the same time as we are right _teet at- the same time as we are 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now. so if you look at interest rates-australia,— now. so if you look at interest rates-australia, in- now. so if you look at interest rates australia, in canada, rates in australia, in canada, in rates in australia, in canada, tn-zeatant— rates in australia, in canada, tn-zeatant .— rates in australia, in canada, in zealand , across the in new zealand, across the went— in new zealand, across the world, they're _ in new zealand, across the world, they're all at high even.— world, they're all at high levels. actually, interest rates in levels. actually, interest rates tn tunete— levels. actually, interest rates tn twete ane— levels. actually, interest rates in europe are the— levels. actually, interest rates in europe are the highest tney-we— in europe are the highest they've been— in europe are the highest they've been in for 20 years teaee— they've been in for 20 years because they're _ they've been in for 20 years because they're all grappling wttn—tne- because they're all grapplingi wttn—tne-way with inflation in the same way tnat— with inflation in the same way tat-ate.— with inflation in the same way tnatiane. many— with inflation in the same way that-are. many of- with inflation in the same way that are. many of you that we are. many of you may nate— that we are. many of you may have friends— that we are. many of you may have friends or— that we are. many of you may have friends or-in- that we are. many of you may have friends or in those have friends or family in those ttaeee— have friends or family in those ttaeee-yet— have friends or family in those places,-you spoke- have friends or family in those places, you spoke to places, and if you spoke to ten,— places, and if you spoke to them, tney-t— places, and if you spoke to them, they'd tell you the same tntng. — them, they'd tell you the same tntng. wew— them, they'd tell you the same thing. now that— them, they'd tell you the same thing. now that doesn't make it any_t- thing. now that doesn't make it any—t tnewl any easier. of course i know tnat— any easier. of course i know tnat. ttt— any easier. of course i know that. but it's— any easier. of course i know that. but it's important for you to that. but it's important for you te tnew— that. but it's important for you te tnew tnat— that. but it's important for you to know that-not- that. but it's important for you to know that not alone in to know that we're not alone in teattng— to know that we're not alone in tetng-tnte— to know that we're not alone in dealing this. sunday dealing with this. sunday tetegnatn— dealing with this. sunday telegraph editor alastair heath. tetay— today, though, called the mess tteny— fishy rishi's mensis horribilis the fishy rishi's mensis horribilis tne nentn— fishy rishi's mensis horribilis the month when— fishy rishi's mensis horribilis the month when the tory house of cante— the month when the tory house of cante ttnatty— the month when the tory house of cards finally came— the month when the tory house of cards finally came crashing tewn.— cards finally came crashing tewn. te— cards finally came crashing down. he reckons regardless of the down. he reckons regardless of tne ttt-e— down. he reckons regardless of the pm's performance from now tntt— the pm's performance from now tnttt tne— the pm's performance from now until the general— the pm's performance from now until the general election, it went— until the general election, it wettt te— until the general election, it would be quote— until the general election, it would be quote impossible to enate— would be quote impossible to enate ett— would be quote impossible to shake off the— would be quote impossible to shake off the general stench of tatte— shake off the general stench of tatttne tnat— shake off the general stench of failure that emanates from the geennent — failure that emanates from the government. so— failure that emanates from the government. so ranil jayawardene, you were in liz tneee— jayawardene, you were in liz truss's cabinet. _ jayawardene, you were in liz truss's cabinet. she tried to awett— truss's cabinet. she tried to awett tnte. — truss's cabinet. she tried to avoid this. everything she did economically— avoid this. everything she did economically that she was forced out economically that she was forced ett et— economically that she was forced ett et etttee— economically that she was forced out of office for,— economically that she was forced out of office for, which was to awett—

out of office for, which was to awett tnte— out of office for, which was to avoid this total— out of office for, which was to avoid this total catastrophe ttgtt— avoid this total catastrophe ntgnt ?— avoid this total catastrophe ntgnt e ttt— avoid this total catastrophe right ? did we— avoid this total catastrophe right? did we get it avoid this total catastrophe right ? did we get it wrong? did right? did we get it wrong? did yew— right? did we get it wrong? did yew panty— right? did we get it wrong? did your party get— right? did we get it wrong? did your party get it_ right? did we get it wrong? did your party get it wrong? getting rid your party get it wrong? getting ntt et— your party get it wrong? getting ntt et tneee— your party get it wrong? getting rid of truss ? _ your party get it wrong? getting rid of truss ? well,— your party get it wrong? getting rid of truss ? titti.. rid of truss? well, as you say, we did try. we were going for and i hate this term, the supply side reforms. it's just, you know, direct hitting the economy, cutting taxes. we tried, , you know, the tried, but, you know, the economic establishment was dead set against us and we're now seeing the consequences of not taking those bold, bold, brave decisions. and this is the point that actually a lot of this is outside of politics. a lot of this is the bank of england, the bank of england's mandate hasn't changed since gordon brown created it in 97. and there were too slow to act. and the governor has— too slow to act. and the governor has been- ?ti.. and the governor has been a disaster. snettt— governor has been a disaster. snettt ne— governor has been a disaster. snettt ne gee— governor has been a disaster. should he go? well you know, i'm not should he go? well you know, i'm net a— should he go? well you know, i'm net a tan— should he go? well you know, i'm net a tan et— should he go? well you know, i'm not a fan of what— should he go? well you know, i'm not a fan of what he— should he go? well you know, i'm not a fan of what he has done. ant— not a fan of what he has done. ant centatnty— not a fan of what he has done. ant centatnty t— not a fan of what he has done. and certainly i think— not a fan of what he has done. and certainly i think he- not a fan of what he has done. and certainly i think he and the monetary policy committee should have acted much more quickly than they may have done. if you look at the us, the fed there, they acted more quickly and we could have avoided the pain that

people are facing. i mean, if the people are facing. i mean, if tne teete— people are facing. i mean, if tne te— people are facing. i mean, if the issue is, is— people are facing. i mean, if the issue is, is the- ?iti ?ti. “3 i mean, if the issue is, is the economic establishment— the issue is, is the economic establishment didn't want truss to establishment didn't want truss te tny— establishment didn't want truss te tny ant— establishment didn't want truss te tny ant te— establishment didn't want truss to try and do anything dramatic . tte— to try and do anything dramatic . tt-e atneet— to try and do anything dramatic , it's almost as— to try and do anything dramatic , it's almost as if— to try and do anything dramatic , it's almost as if they want us to , it's almost as if they want us te tatt— , it's almost as if they want us te tatt .— , it's almost as if they want us te tatt . vet— , it's almost as if they want us to fail . you just— , it's almost as if they want us to fail . you just took the words to fail. you just took the words ttgtt— to fail. you just took the words ntgnt ett— to fail. you just took the words ntgnt ett et— to fail. you just took the words ntgnt ett et ny— to fail. you just took the words right out of my mouth . �*ftt"“«t7’ right out of my mouth. why? why,— right out of my mouth. why? wny, gage— right out of my mouth. why? wny, canete wny— right out of my mouth. �*ftt"“«t7’ why, carol? why though? what's tentnt— why, carol? why though? what's tentnt tt— why, carol? why though? what's tentnt t e— why, carol? why though? what's behind it .7 well,— why, carol? why though? what's behind it .7 well, is— why, carol? why though? what's behind it? well, is it to prove tnat— behind it? well, is it to prove tnat tnextt— behind it? well, is it to prove that brexit that. _ behind it? well, is it to prove that brexit that. ttit that brexit that. no, no, no, no . watt— that brexit that. no, no, no, no . mark carney couldn't say everything about brexit. he blames everything on brexit. he's still going on about it. and he's even the governor and he's not even the governor anymore. and. and i, i do think that the way that this has been donein that the way that this has been done in a way, it has to be deliberate. why i'll come to it in a minute. but it has been done deliberately because they could have they could have raised interest rates sooner , raised interest rates sooner, but more slowly . and now it's but more slowly. and now it's just going like up like that. it's gone up a whole half of a% today. and that's huge. that is quite a lot. but the thing is, what you have to remember that

the interest rates are still only 5. you know, there was a time when i remember paying 15% back the 90s, late 80s, 90s, back in the 90s, late 80s, 90s, and you know, i don't want them to back there, but 5% is to go back there, but 5% is still quite low and the people have have been lulled into a false sense of security that interest rates always going interest rates were always going to 1% or so. so small to be below 1% or so. so small people kept remortgaging to what happened over covid printing money slashed the interest rates, and amy, i mean, exactly. this is going to be great news in this is going to be great news tn tenne— this is going to be great news tn tenne et— this is going to be great news in terms of getting in a labour geennent— in terms of getting in a labour government. they're not going to be government. they're not going to te-te— government. they're not going to te-te eent— government. they're not going to te-te eent ett— government. they're not going to be-to sort out this- government. they're not going to be to sort out this mess be able to sort out this mess tnetgn— be able to sort out this mess tnetgn ane— be able to sort out this mess though, are they— be able to sort out this mess though, are they ? i think they though, are they? i think they wtt— though, are they? i think they will because _ though, are they? i think they will because tax— though, are they? i think they will because tax and spending tteetegy— will because tax and spending ideology promotes ideology actually promotes gnewtn— ideology actually promotes growth unlike. t: . growth unlike. so i'd like to know just proven by know they've just been proven by all the independent bodies to all of the independent bodies to be overspending. they have to etaen— be overspending. they have to etaen att— be overspending. they have to etaen att et— be overspending. they have to slash all of their— be overspending. they have to slash all of their policy- slash all of their policy ttetgee.— slash all of their policy pledges. that's investment. �*7 pledges. that's investment. if you— pledges. that's investment. if yea tweet— pledges. that's investment. if yea tnweet .— pledges. that's investment. if you invest , it's— pledges. that's investment. if you invest , it's taxpayers- you invest, it's taxpayers profit and you grow the economy in this spending, spending and higher taxes, investment . it's higher taxes, investment. it's not. it is. gordon brown grew the economy in two years. more

more than than with respect you're not you're really not going to defend gordon brown's economic. well what i really remember the _ economic. well what i really remember the note- i ti. well what i really remember the note that his gewennnent— remember the note that his government is— remember the note that his government is a— remember the note that his government is a joke. ttig : government is a joke. everybody knows— government is a joke. everybody knows the note was a joke. so it happens to be true. but can i can i. i want to i want to pull you up on something because you said we tried and we made a mistake. is true. you mistake. and that is true. you have made your government have made a mistake. not sure you made a mistake. i'm not sure you you something it you tried something and it didn't i we tried. didn't work. i said we tried. when government tries when the government tries something doesn't work, something and it doesn't work, why do we have to we why do we have to pay? we have to for failures and to pay for your failures and that simply not true. we that is simply not true. we tried by getting the- we tried by getting the supply side neentne— tried by getting the supply side neentne ett— tried by getting the supply side reforms out there— tried by getting the supply side reforms out there like building neeee — reforms out there like building neeee vet— reforms out there like building houses. you know, we need to tutt— houses. you know, we need to ttttt a— houses. you know, we need to build a million— houses. you know, we need to build a million new homes in tenten— build a million new homes in london. that's— build a million new homes in london. that's people want london. that's what people want .-te— london. that's what people want .-te eten — london. that's what people want .-to reform the- london. that's what people want . to reform the system. . we need to reform the system. tnat-e— . we need to reform the system. tnat-e-we— . we need to reform the system. that's-we tried _ . we need to reform the system. that's-we tried-do. - . we need to reform the system. that's we tried do. but that's what we tried to do. but eatty— that's what we tried to do. but any, ee— that's what we tried to do. but sadly, some people didn't want tnat— sadly, some people didn't want tnatlnew— sadly, some people didn't want tnatlnew-getng- sadly, some people didn't want that-how-going to. that to how are we going to attent— that to how are we going to afford those _ that to how are we going to afford those houses? �*vtti : afford those houses? we should just that i do think that just say that i, i do think that there is something in the government make government trying to make everybody think they everybody poorer. i think they really to be poor really want people to be poor and i think they really want them be struggling because

them to be struggling because over didn't it? well, over covid didn't it? well, exactly. they everything exactly. they shut everything down purpose when they knew down on purpose when they knew they have to. and then they didn't have to. and then they didn't have to. and then they started printing money the worst possible time, as mervyn king said this week, the previous governor of the bank of england, they just gave england, and they just gave money away to people people money away to people and people were well, you're were just like, well, you're right, have to work. right, i don't have to work. you're right. we printed money ant— you're right. we printed money ant-tewn— you're right. we printed money and-brown print- you're right. we printed money and-brown print a- you're right. we printed money and brown print a load of and gordon brown print a load of neney— and gordon brown print a load of neney-yee— and gordon brown print a load of neney-yee a— and gordon brown print a load of neney-yee a tet— and gordon brown print a load of money-yes, a lot of- money and yes, a lot of money gnew— money and yes, a lot of money gnew.|tte— money and yes, a lot of money grew.ithe economy- money and yes, a lot of money grew.ithe economy had- grew. the economy had completely, said, we completely, as megxit said, we didn't need to do it. we need to do it. final word. amy carroll makes the point this government may want to make people poorer where certain people, where they do. certain people, working want working people, but they want to make richer, richer, make the rich richer, richer, fichen make the rich richer, richer, richer. measures richer. and the measures austerity working people austerity made working people poorer. brexit made people poorer. brexit made people poorer and socialist line on thing from rishi sunak and as liz typekit as liz truss told you in leigh last week, amy, why does socialism never work now? look nearly everyone's had their say look nearly everyone's had their eay-senettett- say on phillip schofield eeantat— say on phillip schofield scandal, perhaps say on phillip schofield scandal,-perhaps most scandal, but perhaps the most tntentant— scandal, but perhaps the most tntentant-et- scandal, but perhaps the most important-of all- scandal, but perhaps the most important of all yet to important person of all yet to gtwe— important person of all yet to gtwe-ette— important person of all yet to gtwe-ette ne- important person of all yet to give side now though, give their side now though, the young— give their side now though, the yetng-ntneett— young man himself who had a tttng— young man himself who had a tttng wttn— young man himself who had a tttng wttn-ex— young man himself who had a fling with ex presenter is fling with the ex presenter is

netentet— fling with the ex presenter is netentetlte— fling with the ex presenter is reported be ready and poised reported to be ready and poised to reported to be ready and poised te etttt— reported to be ready and poised te etttt tne— reported to be ready and poised to spill the beans.— reported to be ready and poised to spill the beans. no and now as person ex schofield's former tnte— as person ex schofield's formeri tnte—te this morning runner is set to be gttzzet— this morning runner is set to be gttzzet ty— this morning runner is set to be gttzzet ty tne— this morning runner is set to be quizzed by the barrister conducting— quizzed by the barrister conducting itv's external investigation— conducting itv's external investigation into the affair. ttv— investigation into the affair. ttv tntet— investigation into the affair. itv chief carolyn itv chief executive carolyn wecatt— itv chief executive carolyn mccall told _ itv chief executive carolyn mccall told mps last week that scnettett— mccall told mps last week that schofield was _ mccall told mps last week that schofield was confronted 112 tnee— schofield was confronted 112 ttnee atett— schofield was confronted 112 times about the _ schofield was confronted 112 times about the relationship , times about the relationship, ttt— times about the relationship, ttt eetncee— times about the relationship, but sources close to the lad nave— but sources close to the lad have dramatically revealed he was never asked— have dramatically revealed he was never asked .— have dramatically revealed he was never asked . they said it was never asked. they said it wtt— was never asked. they said it wttt te— was never asked. they said it wttt te tte— was never asked. they said it will be his chance to have his say— will be his chance to have his eay .— will be his chance to have his eay . tt— will be his chance to have his eay . tt eettt— will be his chance to have his say . it could most- will be his chance to have his say . it could most definitely say. it could most definitely teat— say. it could most definitely teat te— say. it could most definitely lead to some— say. it could most definitely lead to some difficult reading for lead to some difficult reading ten ttv— lead to some difficult reading for itv bosses— lead to some difficult reading for itv bosses if— lead to some difficult reading for itv bosses if it turns out tnat— for itv bosses if it turns out tnat-ne— for itv bosses if it turns out that-he wasn't- for itv bosses if it turns out that he wasn't asked that he says he wasn't asked atett— that he says he wasn't asked atett tne— that he says he wasn't asked about the relationship 12 times. so about the relationship 12 times. se eanet— about the relationship 12 times. so carol mcgiffin,— about the relationship 12 times. so carol mcgiffin, you obviously wentet— so carol mcgiffin, you obviously wentet wttn— so carol mcgiffin, you obviously worked with this— so carol mcgiffin, you obviously worked with this young runner on teeee— worked with this young runner on teeee wenen— worked with this young runner on loose women when— worked with this young runner on loose women when you were a tanetttet— loose women when you were a panellist there. _ loose women when you were a panellist there. we can't name ttn— panellist there. we can't name ntn. tet-e— panellist there. we can't name ntn. tet-e teet— panellist there. we can't name him. let's just be— panellist there. we can't name him. let's just be clear about tnat— him. let's just be clear about tnat .— him. let's just be clear about tnat . ttt— him. let's just be clear about tnat . ttt tte— him. let's just be clear about that . but it's interesting, that. but it's interesting, ten-t— that. but it's interesting, ten-t n— that. but it's interesting, isn't it, that— that. but it's interesting, isn't it, that increasingly tnene— isn't it, that increasingly tnene te— isn't it, that increasingly there is briefing coming out tnen— there is briefing coming out tnen teette— there is briefing coming out from people close to him saying tnat— from people close to him saying tnat ttv— from people close to him saying tnat ttv ant— from people close to him saying that itv and schofield's version of that itv and schofield's version et evente— that itv and schofield's version et evente te— that itv and schofield's version of events do not— that itv and schofield's version of events do not match his . of events do not match his. um, wett— of events do not match his. um, wett .— of events do not match his. um, wett . wett— of events do not match his. um, well , we'll find— of events do not match his. um, well, we'll find out. _ of events do not match his. um, well , we'll find out. i- of events do not match his. um, well, we'll find out. i hope. but i'm not holding my breath

because i don't think itv will because i don't think itv will be even slightly worried about what he might say. i'm sure. i'm sure they already know what he could say, but i don't think that will come out in this investigation and this is this still the parliamentary investigation . so this is their investigation. so this is their own the independent cases. yeah. the one that they supposedly did before law, but they got nothing from it . and with the lawyers from it. and with the lawyers involved as well, with philip engaging the lawyers for the runner , for the young man, it's runner, for the young man, it's like, what are they still trying to hide? what is being covered up here? although it's interesting,— .. “tiiti7’ although it's interesting, though, there has teen— interesting, though, there has teen a— interesting, though, there has teen a enange— interesting, though, there has been a change on that front. they— been a change on that front. they revealed— been a change on that front. they revealed at— been a change on that front. they revealed at the select eenntttee— they revealed at the select committee or— they revealed at the select committee or john nicholson committee orjohn nicholson neveatet— committee orjohn nicholson neveatet at— committee orjohn nicholson revealed at the— committee orjohn nicholson revealed at the select committee tney— revealed at the select committee tney went— revealed at the select committee tney went tn— revealed at the select committee tney went tn tne— revealed at the select committee they work in pro bono. actually are they work in pro bono. actually wenttng— they work in pro bono. actually wenttng tne— they work in pro bono. actually are working pro bono. this idea tnat— are working pro bono. this idea that schofield _ are working pro bono. this idea that schofield is— are working pro bono. this idea that schofield is paying for it .tnat-e— that schofield is paying for it now, that's engaged. now, now that's engaged. i though— now, now that's engaged. i tteagt—ttenl now, now that's engaged. ii though—them. he now, now that's engaged. i- though_them. he did. though he engaged them. he did. but but this is a very credible eentany— but but this is a very credible eentany ant— but but this is a very credible company and they are working pro tene. — company and they are working pro tene. t— company and they are working pro tene. ttntnt— company and they are working pro bono. i think that— company and they are working pro bono. i think that suggests tnene-e— bono. i think that suggests there's more— bono. i think that suggests

there's more to— bono. i think that suggests there's more to reveal here. i mean, rhiannon,— there's more to reveal here. i mean, rhiannon, what you mean, rhiannon, what do you tntnt— mean, rhiannon, what do you tntnt-tnte— mean, rhiannon, what do you think-this story?- mean, rhiannon, what do you think this story? because think about this story? because as think about this story? because ae—tt— think about this story? because ae—tt te— think about this story? because ae—tt te gutte- as you know, it is quite a serious cover— as you know, it is quite a serious cover up, is it? not? by ny— serious cover up, is it? not? by itv, potentially,— serious cover up, is it? not? by itv, potentially, yeah. “ itv, potentially, yeah. i mean, tett.— itv, potentially, yeah. i mean, tett-et— itv, potentially, yeah. i mean, teet-et att— itv, potentially, yeah. i mean, look,-of all, 1— itv, potentially, yeah. i mean, look, of all, i don't look, first of all, i don't i don't ever want to opine on people's personal lives at and i think he said that it's unwise but not illegal. so i think that's sort of a starting point. but i mean, here we have further proof, just like the bbc and jemmy savile. these these are the sorts of things that happen in the mainstream media. they pretend that they are to pretend that they are angels to everyone else and actually they cover themselves. and cover up for themselves. and that's why this story- cover up for themselves. and that's why this story is- that's why this story is tntentant.— that's why this story is important. i- that's why this story is important. i think you're right. it's important. i think you're right. tte-netttng- important. i think you're right. it's nothing. people it's actually nothing. people ten-t— it's actually nothing. people ten-t get— it's actually nothing. people don't get this. _ it's actually nothing. people don't get this. they think that it's don't get this. they think that tte-ttntnt— don't get this. they think that it's phillip schofield it's about phillip schofield ttte. — it's about phillip schofield ttte. lte— it's about phillip schofield tttelte net— it's about phillip schofield life..is not at— it's about phillip schofield life. is not at all. it's life. it is not at all. it's atett— life. it is not at all. it's atett a— life. it is not at all. it's about a cover- life. it is not at all. it's about a cover up. amy nicole, wnene— about a cover up. amy nicole, wnene-etant- about a cover up. amy nicole, where-stand on- about a cover up. amy nicole, where stand on this one? where do you stand on this one? wett— where do you stand on this one? wett. t— where do you stand on this one? well, i watched— where do you stand on this one? well, i watched the— well, i watched the parliamentary with parliamentary committee with eagle i'll just be eagle eyes. so i'll just be interested to see whether what this barrister finds out is, is the same as what carolyn mccall said in that parliamentary committee. and i think if there

is any discrepancies , that's is any discrepancies, that's when if itv have nothing to hide and everything is and they said everything that they said was true, then they've got they've got nothing to worry about. but if it isn't, they've got something about. no. something to worry about. no. very did say that, very true. and itv did say that, tane— very true. and itv did say that, tane tttteaty— very true. and itv did say that, jane mulcahy, kc— very true. and itv did say that, jane mulcahy, kc of blackstone cnantene— jane mulcahy, kc of blackstone chambers, has— jane mulcahy, kc of blackstone chambers, has been asked to cany— chambers, has been asked to eanny ett— chambers, has been asked to eanny ett tnte— chambers, has been asked to carry out this external review to carry out this external review te eetattten— carry out this external review to establish the— carry out this external review to establish the facts of the scnettett— to establish the facts of the schofield case.— to establish the facts of the schofield case. the chief executive,— schofield case. the chief executive, carolyn mccall, says ene— executive, carolyn mccall, says ene wtt— executive, carolyn mccall, says she will review— executive, carolyn mccall, says she will review our records and tatt— she will review our records and tattlteette— she will review our records and talk people involved in this talk to people involved in this went.— talk to people involved in this work-consider- talk to people involved in this work. consider our work. we'll also consider our netevant— work. we'll also consider our relevant processes policies relevant processes and policies ant— relevant processes and policiesi ant—enange relevant processes and policies- ant—enange en and whether we need to change or etnengtnen— and whether we need to change or strengthen _thoughl strengthen any, she says. though no strengthen any, she says. though ne evttenee— strengthen any, she says. though no evidence was— strengthen any, she says. though no evidence was brought to her or no evidence was brought to her en-tean — no evidence was brought to her or-team during— no evidence was brought to her or team during the schofield or her team during the schofield attatn— or her team during the schofield attatn .— or her team during the schofield attatn . any— or her team during the schofield affair . amy nick— or her team during the schofield affair. amy nick gibb. ranil tayawantena— affair. amy nick gibb. ranil jayawardena. carol mcgiffin do etant— jayawardena. carol mcgiffin do etant ty— jayawardena. carol mcgiffin do stand by because— jayawardena. carol mcgiffin do stand by because coming up, as the stand by because coming up, as tne-tet— stand by because coming up, as tne-tet tennen— stand by because coming up, as the top former equalities the uk's top former equalities commissioner,— the uk's top former equalities commissioner, sir— the uk's top former equalities commissioner, sir trevor tnttttte— commissioner, sir trevor phillips blasts the sussexes for tntengtvatty— phillips blasts the sussexes for unforgivably squandering a getten— unforgivably squandering a golden chance— unforgivably squandering a golden chance to show the best of golden chance to show the best et tnttatn. — golden chance to show the best of britain. _right- golden chance to show the best of britain. right that no of britain. is he right that no one cared about— of britain. is he right that no one cared about meghan's raise? my one cared about meghan's raise? aay-tanet— one cared about meghan's raise? my-panel returned- one cared about meghan's raise? my panel returned to my superstar panel returned to tetate— my superstar panel returned to debate - shortly. _ my superstar panel returned to debate shortly. but next, debate that shortly. but next, as debate that shortly. but next, ae-ttve— debate that shortly. but next, as-five titanic— debate that shortly. but next, as five titanic explorers as the five titanic explorers are confirmed— as the five titanic explorers are confirmed dead after their ett— are confirmed dead after their sub suffered— are confirmed dead after their sub suffered a—

are confirmed dead after their sub suffered a catastrophic tntteeten— sub suffered a catastrophic implosion, i'm— sub suffered a catastrophic implosion, i'm joined by two men wne— implosion, i'm joined by two men wne tnew— implosion, i'm joined by two men wne tnew tne— implosion, i'm joined by two men who knew the crew— implosion, i'm joined by two men who knew the crew closely. tttante— who knew the crew closely. titanic expert— who knew the crew closely. titanic expert craig soap and a teee— titanic expert craig soap and a teee tntent— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of the— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of the pilot, paul henry.— close friend of the pilot, paul nenty. wtget— close friend of the pilot, paul henry. nigel and— close friend of the pilot, paul henry. nigel and guillermo suntey— henry. nigel and guillermo suntey, wne— henry. nigel and guillermo sunley, who is— henry. nigel and guillermo sunley, who is the founder and enet— sunley, who is the founder and chief executive _ sunley, who is the founder and chief executive of— sunley, who is the founder and chief executive of oceangate eate. — chief executive of oceangate eate. tn — chief executive of oceangate eate. tn getng— chief executive of oceangate gate. i'm going to give their nnet— gate. i'm going to give their first response— gate. i'm going to give their first response straight after tnte— first response straight after tnte .—

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gb news the people's. channel wetcene— gb news the people's. channel wetcenne tact. — gb news the people's. channel welcome back. and— gb news the people's. channel welcome back. and breaking tonight , welcome back. and breaking tonight, rescue is looking for the missing titan submarine in the missing titan submarine in the north atlantic have confirmed the vessel suffered a catastrophic implosion , killing catastrophic implosion, killing all five souls on board. it bnngs all five souls on board. it brings a tragic end to the story that's gripped the world. an rov or remote operated vehicle- g : : an rov or remote operated vehicle from the or remote operated vehicle from tne veeeet— or remote operated vehicle from the vessel horizon— or remote operated vehicle from the vessel horizon arctic discovered _ the vessel horizon arctic discovered the - the vessel horizon arctic discovered the tailcone of the tttan — discovered the tailcone of the titan submersible. approximately teee— titan submersible. approximately teee teet— titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet from _ titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the— titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the tttantc— 1600 feet from the bow of the tttante en — 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic on the— 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor . the rov titanic on the seafloor. the rov etteegtentty— titanic on the seafloor. the rov subsequently found additional tetnte— subsequently found additional tetnte tn— subsequently found additional debris in consultation with ettente— debris in consultation with ettene tnen — debris in consultation with experts from within the unified eennnnant tne— experts from within the unified command. the debris is consistent— command. the debris is consistent with the catastrophic teee— consistent with the catastrophic teee et— consistent with the catastrophic teee et tne — consistent with the catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber. tast— loss of the pressure chamber. ttet tettttte—

loss of the pressure chamber. just terrible news. _ loss of the pressure chamber. just terrible news. i'm - loss of the pressure chamber. just terrible news. i'm joined live now by guillermo sohnlein. he is the former chief executive and the co—founder of oceangate, the firm that made the doomed sub who until earlier tonight said he remained hopeful. his friends and colleagues , friends and colleagues, including the ocean gate chief executive stockton rush, would be successfully rescued . so, be successfully rescued. so, guillermo, this must be an absolutely devastating night for you. firstly please take my condolences and the condolences of the audience . what's your of the audience. what's your reaction to the loss of the submarine and especially your friend, the chief executive, stockton rush yeah, as you can imagine, it's a tragic loss for the families of the crew, for the families of the crew, for the crew, the team members who have spent the last four days feverishly trying to find and rescue their team—mates i've been dealing with this for the last three plus days and it's

been a roller coaster ride of emotions for me. i can't even tnagtne— emotions for me. i can't even tnagtne wnat— emotions for me. i can't even imagine what it's— emotions for me. i can't even imagine what it's what- ti i can't even imagine what it's what it's like for imagine what it's what it's like ten tnen— imagine what it's what it's like ten tnen .— imagine what it's what it's like ten tnen . tn— imagine what it's what it's like for them , uh, based on what for them, uh, based on what yeve— for them, uh, based on what yeve neatt— for them, uh, based on what you've heard from the coast gian,— you've heard from the coast gian, wnat— you've heard from the coast guard, what do— you've heard from the coast guard, what do you think nattenet— guard, what do you think nattenet e — guard, what do you think happened ? '“t: guard, what do you think happened ? “t: g guard, what do you think— happened ? and to tighten . well, happened? and to tighten. well, i happened? and to tighten. well, ttntnt— happened? and to tighten. well, ttntnt tte— happened? and to tighten. well, i think it's premature— happened? and to tighten. well, i think it's premature for- i think it's premature for anytety— i think it's premature for anytety te— i think it's premature for anybody to speculate on what nattenet.— anybody to speculate on what nattenet. tte— anybody to speculate on what happened. it's going to take taye— happened. it's going to take taye, weete— happened. it's going to take days, weeks, months to collect tata— days, weeks, months to collect tata ant— days, weeks, months to collect data and analyse— days, weeks, months to collect data and analyse the data and try data and analyse the data and tty te— data and analyse the data and try te ttgtne— data and analyse the data and try to figure out— data and analyse the data and try to figure out what happened . un— try to figure out what happened . tn ttgtt— try to figure out what happened . tn, ntgnt ne— try to figure out what happened . uh, right now is— try to figure out what happened . uh, right now is ,_ try to figure out what happened . uh, right now is , is more a . uh, right now is, is more a ttne— . uh, right now is, is more a ttne te— . uh, right now is, is more a time to mourn— . uh, right now is, is more a time to mourn the loss of the crew members— time to mourn the loss of the crew members and to preserve tnetn— crew members and to preserve tnetn tegactee. — crew members and to preserve their legacies. and there will centatnty— their legacies. and there will eentatnty te— their legacies. and there will certainly be a— their legacies. and there will certainly be a time for, uh, for nattng— certainly be a time for, uh, for nattng tneee— certainly be a time for, uh, for making these kinds of assessments- making these kinds of assessments in the future. can you— assessments in the future. can yet tatt— assessments in the future. can yet tatt te— assessments in the future. can yet tatt te ne— assessments in the future. can you talk to me a— assessments in the future. can you talk to me a little bit atett— you talk to me a little bit about stockton? t7 �*ft“?. you talk to me a little bit- about stockton? rush? what was he like as a man, as a human being? so i first he like as a man, as a human being ? so i first met stockton being? so i first met stockton in being? so i first met stockton tn zoos,— being? so i first met stockton tn zoos, ant— being? so i first met stockton in 2008, and then— “q7 so i first met stockton in 2008, and then we co—founded eeeaneate— in 2008, and then we co—founded eeeaneate tn— in 2008, and then we co—founded oceangate in 2009.— in 2008, and then we co—founded oceangate in 2009. i was immediately— oceangate in 2009. i was immediately drawn to him because

nee— immediately drawn to him because ne-e ene— immediately drawn to him because ne-e et— immediately drawn to him because ne-e et tne— immediately drawn to him because he's one of the most— immediately drawn to him because he's one of the most intelligent teette— he's one of the most intelligent teette tve— he's one of the most intelligent teette tve even— he's one of the most intelligent people i've ever met. talented aerospace engineer, a passion exttenen— aerospace engineer, a passion etttenen. te— aerospace engineer, a passion explorer. he was— aerospace engineer, a passion explorer. he was very committed to explorer. he was very committed te ttentng— explorer. he was very committed te ttentng tne— explorer. he was very committed to pushing the bounds of ntnantty-e— to pushing the bounds of humanity's knowledge of the went-e— humanity's knowledge of the world's oceans— humanity's knowledge of the world's oceans in large parts so tnat— world's oceans in large parts so tnat we— world's oceans in large parts so tnat we eettt— world's oceans in large parts so that we could preserve the ocean . ant— that we could preserve the ocean . ant ne— that we could preserve the ocean . ant ne wae— that we could preserve the ocean . and he was an— that we could preserve the ocean . and he was an incredible human tetng.— . and he was an incredible human tetng. te— . and he was an incredible human tetng. te wae— . and he was an incredible human being. he was also— . and he was an incredible human being. he was also ,_ . and he was an incredible human being. he was also , despite what being. he was also, despite what etnene— being. he was also, despite what etnene nave— being. he was also, despite what others have said— being. he was also, despite what others have said ,_ being. he was also, despite what others have said , very risk others have said, very risk averse . he was- others have said, very risk averse . he was very keenly aware averse. he was very keenly aware of averse. he was very keenly aware et tne— averse. he was very keenly aware et tne tangene— averse. he was very keenly aware of the dangers of— averse. he was very keenly aware of the dangers of operating in the of the dangers of operating in tne teet— of the dangers of operating in the deep ocean— of the dangers of operating in the deep ocean .— of the dangers of operating in the deep ocean . he was very the deep ocean. he was very eenntttet— the deep ocean. he was very committed to— the deep ocean. he was very committed to safety and believed that committed to safety and believed tnat every— committed to safety and believed tnat evety ene— committed to safety and believed that every one of— committed to safety and believed that every one of the innovations- that every one of the innovations and anything he teetgnet— innovations and anything he designed was— innovations and anything he designed was designed to expand the capabilities— designed was designed to expand the capabilities of— designed was designed to expand the capabilities of humanity , the capabilities of humanity, teanntng— the capabilities of humanity, learning about— the capabilities of humanity, learning about the oceans, but atee— learning about the oceans, but atee te— learning about the oceans, but atee te tne— learning about the oceans, but also to the capability of doing it also to the capability of doing tt ae— also to the capability of doing tt ae eatety— also to the capability of doing it as safely as— also to the capability of doing it as safely as possible . it as safely as possible. i'm gtat— it as safely as possible. i'm gtat yve— it as safely as possible. i'm glad you've said— it as safely as possible. i'm glad you've said that, because he has come in for some quite extraordinary abuse over the past few days, which i think is

totally inappropriate, given that we didn't know if he were lost or not, given what his family was going through. but it sounds like, you feel pretty convinced that he wouldn't have cut corners here. no. and i tntnt— cut corners here. no. and i tntnt a— cut corners here. no. and i tntnt a tet— cut corners here. no. and i think a lot of— cut corners here. no. and i think a lot of the - i. i “tiiti no. and i think a lot of the folks that are commenting on this do have the are commenting on this do have tne ettenttee— are commenting on this do have the expertise to— are commenting on this do have the expertise to form opinions ttte— the expertise to form opinions ttte tnte— the expertise to form opinions like this, but— the expertise to form opinions like this, but like— the expertise to form opinions like this, but like me, they ten-t— like this, but like me, they ten-t nave— like this, but like me, they don't have all— like this, but like me, they don't have all of the data. and i don't have all of the data. and t tntnt— don't have all of the data. and t tntnt tte— don't have all of the data. and i think it's really— don't have all of the data. and i think it's really a— don't have all of the data. and i think it's really a matter of watttng— i think it's really a matter of waiting until— i think it's really a matter of waiting until we— i think it's really a matter of waiting until we have the data ant— waiting until we have the data ant nave— waiting until we have the data ant nave a— waiting until we have the data and have a chance to analyse it to and have a chance to analyse it te ttgtne— and have a chance to analyse it te ttgtne ett— and have a chance to analyse it to figure out what— and have a chance to analyse it to figure out what happened and tate— to figure out what happened and tate ee— to figure out what happened and take some lessons— to figure out what happened and take some lessons learned and tetwant— take some lessons learned and move forward from there . well, move forward from there. well, teet— move forward from there. well, teet, t— move forward from there. well, teet, t neteat— move forward from there. well, teet, t neteat .— move forward from there. well, look, i repeat , absolutely look, i repeat, absolutely devastating— look, i repeat, absolutely devastating news. c... devastating news. guillermo sohnlein and the former ceo and co—founder of oceangate, thank you so much forjoining us at this really difficult time . now, this really difficult time. now, thans this really difficult time. now, titans pilot was the frenchman paul henry. nigel and my next

guest, the world renowned titanic historian craig sopan was a close friend and colleague of the skilled seaman who perished with his crew . craig, perished with his crew. craig, i think we're going to get you back very shortly. craig, open. i think we have you now. craig. i think we have you now. craig. i am here. huge condolences as what a terrible day to tell me about your friend paul henry, guy in his late 70s, still taking incredible risks . yeah, taking incredible risks. yeah, it's actually been a very- it's actually been a very tttttcttt— it's actually been a very difficult four— it's actually been a very difficult four days for me. as ae t— difficult four days for me. as soon as i heard— difficult four days for me. as soon as i heard the- difficult four days for me. as soon as i heard the news- difficult four days for me. as soon as i heard the news on monday morning, i sent an email hoping against hope that he would write back and tell me that he just didn't make the voyage. for some reason. and knowing that ph always responds to me immediately and having not received a response, i knew that he had to be on that ship. and you know, i can't see him taking too much risk .

you know, i can't see him taking too much risk. he he acknowledged that there was risk in anything we do, but he's a pretty smart guy. and i can't see him doing a project like this unless he felt that it was safe to do. he was very passionate about titanic, which is why i think in this particular case, he was more or less a what i can consider to be a tour guide rather than the pilot. however he has piloted many voyages to the titanic. in fact, more more than just about anybody else. i think he was down there about 37 times. so no one knew more. no one knew more about the layout of this wreck than him. whenever i had a question about what something looked like or where something could be found, he is the one that i could be found, he is the one thati asked could be found, he is the one that i asked if i were going to go on a voyage, he would be the one i'd want to go with. i've known him for about 25 years and i can say and echoing a lot of other people's opinions that is really just too early to tell what happened and what made this

ship come apart. but i am an attorney full time, so i really rely on evidence, not assumptions on not supposition before i make conclusions. exactly and that's why i think a lot exactly and that's why i think a tet et— exactly and that's why i think a tet et tne— exactly and that's why i think a lot of the criticism— nee“; and that's why i think a lot of the criticism has been tnenetttty— lot of the criticism has been incredibly unfair, because we do not incredibly unfair, because we do net tnew— incredibly unfair, because we do not know what— incredibly unfair, because we do not know what happened. but but teet— not know what happened. but but teet, tnag— not know what happened. but but teet, gag, t— not know what happened. but but look, craig, i want— not know what happened. but but look, craig, i want to talk to you— look, craig, i want to talk to yet atett— look, craig, i want to talk to you about the _ look, craig, i want to talk to you about the titanic . i know you about the titanic. i know yet-ne— you about the titanic. i know ye et— you about the titanic. i know you're one of the— you about the titanic. i know you're one of the world renowned tttante— you're one of the world renowned titanic historians— you're one of the world renowned titanic historians .— you're one of the world renowned titanic historians. so many of us, titanic historians. so many of nttttene— titanic historians. so many of us, millions around the world, ne— us, millions around the world, ne tnctttet— us, millions around the world, me included, remain absolutely taeetnatet— me included, remain absolutely taectnatet ty— me included, remain absolutely fascinated by that— me included, remain absolutely fascinated by that fateful veyage — fascinated by that fateful veyage .— fascinated by that fateful veyage . ttt— fascinated by that fateful voyage . but what do you make of voyage. but what do you make of the voyage. but what do you make of tne tact— voyage. but what do you make of tne taet tnat— voyage. but what do you make of the fact that it— voyage. but what do you make of the fact that it has— voyage. but what do you make of the fact that it has now caused us the fact that it has now caused te tnte— the fact that it has now caused te tnte new— the fact that it has now caused us this new tragedy , this new us this new tragedy, this new teee— us this new tragedy, this new teee et— us this new tragedy, this new loss of lives,— us this new tragedy, this new loss of lives, 111— us this new tragedy, this new loss of lives, 111 years on? tte— loss of lives, 111 years on? we te— loss of lives, 111 years on? tt-e te getng— loss of lives, 111 years on? it's is going to- loss of lives, 111 years on? it's is going to really add to tne— it's is going to really add to tne nyettgte— it's is going to really add to the mystique and the horror that etttt— the mystique and the horror that still surrounds— the mystique and the horror that still surrounds the _ the mystique and the horror that still surrounds the titanic, ten-t— still surrounds the titanic, ten-t tt— still surrounds the titanic, ten-t t e — still surrounds the titanic, en t e t— still surrounds the titanic, isn't it 7 1 think- still surrounds the titanic, isn't it ? isn't it? i think that we have just added five more people to the victims of titanic when people would wake up every morning for the last four days and want to know what happened

to that submersible, they run to turn on the news on television, i don't think they were merely looking at a submersible that was missing, but they were looking at a submersible that was connected to titanic because titanic has such an allure , not titanic has such an allure, not just from the films and the books , but also from the stories books, but also from the stories that 2200 stories that came off the titanic and the ship goes out in so many directions that thatis out in so many directions that that is what i think they were really looking at in this case. the loss of human life here was the real tragedy. and now we've had two titanic tragedies in the last 111 years. i know it's unbelievable. it really is a eteny— unbelievable. it really is a eteny tnat— unbelievable. it really is a story that has— .. “ztti. it really is a story that has captivated the vent. — story that has captivated the vent. we— story that has captivated the world. we were— story that has captivated the world. we were hoping for a happy— world. we were hoping for a happy ending— world. we were hoping for a happy ending this time and what a tnagety— happy ending this time and what a tnagety tnat— happy ending this time and what a tragedy that we— happy ending this time and what a tragedy that we didn't get. onet_ a tragedy that we didn't get. a... tne— a tragedy that we didn't get. one, the titanic— a tragedy that we didn't get. one, the titanic historian craig seat— one, the titanic historian craig seat ant— one, the titanic historian craig seat ant teee— one, the titanic historian craig soap and close friend of the tnencnnan— soap and close friend of the frenchman, paul— soap and close friend of the frenchman, paul henry. nigel, a eenttnnet— frenchman, paul henry. nigel, a confirmed loss— frenchman, paul henry. nigel, a confirmed loss with the titan tentgnt— confirmed loss with the titan tentgnt .— confirmed loss with the titan tonight . thank— confirmed loss with the titan tonight. thank you so much, cnatg— tonight. thank you so much, cnatg .— tonight. thank you so much, cnatg . wew— tonight. thank you so much, craig . now, coming tonight. thank you so much, craig. now, coming up in

uncanceled_ craig. now, coming up in uncanceled as- craig. now, coming up in uncanceled as elton john's ntetant— uncanceled as elton john's husband david— uncanceled as elton john's husband david furnish admits, senettett— husband david furnish admits, schofield made— husband david furnish admits, schofield made a colossal error of schofield made a colossal error et tttgenent— schofield made a colossal error of judgement before later, tetttng— of judgement before later, tetttng sty— of judgement before later, telling sky news that he was a vtettn — telling sky news that he was a vtettn et— telling sky news that he was a victim of homophobia. i'm joined by victim of homophobia. i'm joined ty tteet— victim of homophobia. i'm joined by fleet street— victim of homophobia. i'm joined by fleet street legend kelvin ttaetenzte— by fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie as— by fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie as he— by fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie as he targets scoffs nyteente— mackenzie as he targets scoffs hypocrite defenders. you don't want— hypocrite defenders. you don't want te— hypocrite defenders. you don't want te nntee— hypocrite defenders. you don't want to miss that— hypocrite defenders. you don't want to miss that next in the meta— want to miss that next in the atetta gm,— want to miss that next in the media buzz, as— want to miss that next in the media buzz, as the uk's top tennen— media buzz, as the uk's top former equalities commissioner, sir former equalities commissioner, stn tneven— former equalities commissioner, sir trevor phillips,— former equalities commissioner, sir trevor phillips, blasts the ttte—et- sir trevor phillips, blasts the| duke—of whinge sir trevor phillips, blasts the. duke—of whinge for duke and duchess of whinge for tntengtvatty— unforgivably squandering a getten—tne unforgivably squandering a- golden _the best golden chance to show the best of golden chance to show the best et tnttatn— golden chance to show the best et tnttatn te— golden chance to show the best of britain is he— golden chance to show the best of britain is he right that natty— of britain is he right that natty ant— of britain is he right that harry and meghan could have enatet— harry and meghan could have enatet tne— harry and meghan could have shaped the world for millions by tnevtng— proving our anti—racist credentials— proving our anti—racist credentials ?- proving our anti—racist credentials ? my superstar panel credentials? my superstar panel nettnnet— credentials? my superstar panel nettnnet te— credentials? my superstar panel returned to debate that in nnennente— returned to debate that in

on gb news, the people's channel. britain's. now let's return to tomorrow's- “ ttint let's return to tomorrow's newsnight. wew— return to tomorrow's newsnight. wew tn— return to tomorrow's newsnight. wew tn en— return to tomorrow's newsnight. now in our media— return to tomorrow's newsnight. now in our media buzz and more new— now in our media buzz and more tnent tagee— now in our media buzz and more tnent tagee ane— now in our media buzz and more tnent tagee tn— now in our media buzz and more front pages are in what a story. tne— front pages are in what a story. tne tatty— front pages are in what a story. the daily mail— front pages are in what a story. the daily mail headline reads, tne— the daily mail headline reads, tne tttantc— the daily mail headline reads, the titanic claims five more ttte— the titanic claims five more ttte tatus— the titanic claims five more life batus wreckage of the

tetntet— life batus wreckage of the tetntet sut— life batus wreckage of the tourist sub is— life batus wreckage of the tourist sub is found just 1600ft tnen— tourist sub is found just 1600ft tnen tne— tourist sub is found just 1600ft from the sunken— tourist sub is found just 1600ft from the sunken liner . as the us from the sunken liner. as the us ceaetgtant— from the sunken liner. as the us ceaetgtant eaye— from the sunken liner. as the us coastguard says it— from the sunken liner. as the us coastguard says it was destroyed by a— coastguard says it was destroyed by a catastrophic— coastguard says it was destroyed by a catastrophic implosion . the by a catastrophic implosion. the sun— by a catastrophic implosion. the sun neattne— by a catastrophic implosion. the sun headline reads , they had no sun headline reads, they had no nante— sun headline reads, they had no nanee .— sun headline reads, they had no nanee . ae— sun headline reads, they had no chance . as the— sun headline reads, they had no chance . as the newspaper chance. as the newspaper netente— chance. as the newspaper reports, titan— chance. as the newspaper reports, titan imploded one hour and reports, titan imploded one hour ant at— reports, titan imploded one hour and 45 minutes— reports, titan imploded one hour and 45 minutes into its journey tewn— and 45 minutes into its journey tewn te— and 45 minutes into its journey tewn te tne— and 45 minutes into its journey down to the titanic . my down to the titanic. my ettenetan— down to the titanic. my superstar panel return now the eettnntet— superstar panel return now the columnist and— superstar panel return now the columnist and broadcaster carol ttegttttn— columnist and broadcaster carol mcgiffin, former— columnist and broadcaster carol mcgiffin, former conservative cattnet— mcgiffin, former conservative cabinet minister— mcgiffin, former conservative cabinet minister ranil jayawardena, and the author and tneateaeten— jayawardena, and the author and broadcaster amy— jayawardena, and the author and broadcaster amy nicholl, marking 75 broadcaster amy nicholl, marking ts yeae— broadcaster amy nicholl, marking ts yeane ennee— broadcaster amy nicholl, marking 75 years since the— broadcaster amy nicholl, marking 75 years since the first of the wtntnten— 75 years since the first of the windrush generation landed on tnten— windrush generation landed on british shores— windrush generation landed on british shores ,_ windrush generation landed on british shores , trevor phillips british shores, trevor phillips nae— british shores, trevor phillips has celebrated— british shores, trevor phillips has celebrated us as the most weteentng— has celebrated us as the most welcoming country in europe. teettte— welcoming country in europe. teettte wnat— welcoming country in europe. despite what the— welcoming country in europe. despite what the sussexes may say despite what the sussexes may eay tn— despite what the sussexes may eay tn a— despite what the sussexes may say in a furious— despite what the sussexes may say in a furious attack on harry ant— say in a furious attack on harry ant ttegnan— say in a furious attack on harry and meghan, the— say in a furious attack on harry and meghan, the uk's top former ettattttee— and meghan, the uk's top former equalities commissioner told the day— equalities commissioner told the tatty atat— equalities commissioner told the daily mail today— equalities commissioner told the daily mail today they constructed- daily mail today they constructed this completely ntttcttete— constructed this completely ridiculous unpleasure story ridiculous and unpleasure story atett— ridiculous and unpleasure story about-maltreated- ridiculous and unpleasure story about maltreated they were, about how maltreated they were,

wnen— about how maltreated they were, wnten tantty,— about how maltreated they were, which, frankly, no— about how maltreated they were, which, frankly, no one believes, no which, frankly, no one believes, ne-eanet— which, frankly, no one believes, no-cared-meghan'sl no one cared about meghan's tney— no one cared about meghan's race. they could— no one cared about meghan's race. they could have made tntnge— race. they could have made things different— race. they could have made things different for millions of teette—netl things different for millions of teette—net te.i people and they chose not to. tnat-e—tn- people and they chose not to. tnat-e—tn ny- people and they chose not to.i that's—in my book. that's unforgivable in my book. tnat-e— that's unforgivable in my book. tnat-eletn— that's unforgivable in my book. tnat-eletn .— that's unforgivable in my book. that'slsin . but— that's unforgivable in my book. that'slsin . but as— that's unforgivable in my book. that's sin . but as we all that's a sin. but as we all remember, the— that's a sin. but as we all remember, the calamitous eettte-e— remember, the calamitous couple's claims- remember, the calamitous couple's claims of experiencing racism were then— couple's claims of experiencing racism were then soon downgraded to unconscious bias— racism were then soon downgraded to unconscious bias .— racism were then soon downgraded to unconscious bias. this is how tney— to unconscious bias. this is how tney teetenatety— to unconscious bias. this is how they desperately backtrack from ten— they desperately backtrack from their baseless— they desperately backtrack from their baseless accusation as and atee— their baseless accusation as and also concerns and— their baseless accusation as and also concerns and conversations atett— also concerns and conversations atett new— also concerns and conversations atett new tant— also concerns and conversations about how dark his— also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be wnen— about how dark his skin might be wnen ne-e— about how dark his skin might be when he's born. _ about how dark his skin might be when he's born. in— about how dark his skin might be when he's born. in the oprah tntenvtew— when he's born. in the oprah tntenvtew .— when he's born. in the oprah interview , you— when he's born. in the oprah interview , you accused members interview, you accused members of interview, you accused members et yew— interview, you accused members et yew tantty— interview, you accused members of your family of— interview, you accused members of your family of racism. you ten-t— of your family of racism. you ten-t even— of your family of racism. you don't even of— of your family of racism. you don't even of the— of your family of racism. you don't even of the british press eatt— don't even of the british press eatt tnat— don't even of the british press said that right— don't even of the british press said that right? _ don't even of the british press said that right? “j t: don't even of the british press said that right ? “j t: g don't even of the british press said that right ? “j t: iititgfl?“ said that right? did meghan ever mention they're racist ? she said mention they're racist? she said there were troubling— ?ti. 57 she said there were troubling comments atett— there were troubling comments about archie's— there were troubling comments about archie's concern, about his about archie's concern, about nte ettn— about archie's concern, about his skin colour.— about archie's concern, about his skin colour. right. wouldn't you his skin colour. right. wouldn't yet teecntte— his skin colour. right. wouldn't you describe that— his skin colour. right. wouldn't you describe that as essentially naetet— you describe that as essentially nactet .— you describe that as essentially nactet . net— you describe that as essentially racist , not having— you describe that as essentially racist , not having lived within racist, not having lived within tnat— racist, not having lived within tnat tantty— racist, not having lived within tnattanttye — racist, not having lived within that family ? and- racist, not having lived within that family ? '“t: racist, not having lived within that family ? ' “t: ti.tit. that family? and of course, there's yougov poll released today shows harry and meghan's popular charity crashing through

the floor. so it looks like sir trevor phillips actually speaks for the nation here. panel. absolutely . i for the nation here. panel. absolutely. i mean, for the nation here. panel. absolutely . i mean, it's such absolutely. i mean, it's such a gneat— absolutely. i mean, it's such a gneat ename— absolutely. i mean, it's such a great shame what's happened. tnttatn-e— great shame what's happened. tnttatn-e net— great shame what's happened. britain's not perfect , but it's britain's not perfect, but it's a ntttten— britain's not perfect, but it's a million times— britain's not perfect, but it's a million times better than most centnee— a million times better than most countries around— a million times better than most countries around the world. and i countries around the world. and t ten-t— countries around the world. and t ten-t tntnt— countries around the world. and i don't think people cared one bit i don't think people cared one ttt atett— i don't think people cared one bit about meghan's heritage. no, tney— bit about meghan's heritage. no, tney .— bit about meghan's heritage. no, tney . tn— bit about meghan's heritage. no, tney , tn fag,— bit about meghan's heritage. no, they , in fact, wanted both harry they, in fact, wanted both harry ant— they, in fact, wanted both harry ant ategnan— they, in fact, wanted both harry ant ttegnan te— they, in fact, wanted both harry and meghan to succeed. and you tettt— and meghan to succeed. and you cettt eee— and meghan to succeed. and you could see that— and meghan to succeed. and you could see that when the fab four cneatet— could see that when the fab four eneatet tn— could see that when the fab four was created in the— could see that when the fab four was created in the first place, tnene— was created in the first place, tnene wae— was created in the first place, tnene a— was created in the first place, there was a great— was created in the first place, there was a great opportunity for there was a great opportunity ten tne— there was a great opportunity ten tne teyat— there was a great opportunity for the royal family to move tnte— for the royal family to move tnte tne— for the royal family to move into the 21st— for the royal family to move into the 21st century with all eente— into the 21st century with all eente et— into the 21st century with all eente et new— into the 21st century with all sorts of new opportunities. and it's sorts of new opportunities. and tt-e teen— sorts of new opportunities. and it's been brought— sorts of new opportunities. and it's been brought down. i'm eatty— it's been brought down. i'm eatty eat— it's been brought down. i'm eatty eat te— it's been brought down. i'm sadly sad to say,- it's been brought down. i'm sadly sad to say, by i think, eent— sadly sad to say, by i think, some sort of— sadly sad to say, by i think, some sort of petty vendettas . some sort of petty vendettas. ant— some sort of petty vendettas. ant ae— some sort of petty vendettas. ant ae yet— some sort of petty vendettas. ant ae yet eay— some sort of petty vendettas. ant ae yet eay .— some sort of petty vendettas. and as you say , as we just saw, and as you say, as we just saw, neaty— and as you say, as we just saw, some really unfortunate tntenvtewe— some really unfortunate interviews that have been given to interviews that have been given te try— interviews that have been given te tty ant— interviews that have been given te tty ant ttettty— interviews that have been given to try and justify their own netta— to try and justify their own media appearance. delusion. wett— media appearance. delusion. wett. tt— media appearance. delusion. wett. tt te— media appearance. delusion. well, it is delusion— media appearance. delusion. well, it is delusion .- media appearance. delusion. well, it is delusion . it's- well, it is delusion. it's a delusion because it feels like all they've got is to sort of spray around these generalised accusations of racism. you know,

in their netflix series, they tried to pinpoint it on nigel farage and brexit, for example, because i guess they felt that was safer than what they did on the oprah interview, which was to pin it to the royal family i think everybody's just so sick of think everybody's just so sick et tnetn— think everybody's just so sick et tnetn tata— think everybody's just so sick of their papa victimhood that it's of their papa victimhood that tt-e ttte— of their papa victimhood that tt-e it. yet— of their papa victimhood that it's like, you know, they have evetytntng— it's like, you know, they have evetytntng .— it's like, you know, they have everything . they— it's like, you know, they have everything . they have everything everything. they have everything tney— everything. they have everything tney want.— everything. they have everything tney want. tney— everything. they have everything they want. they are not they are so they want. they are not they are ee wneng— they want. they are not they are ee wneng atett— they want. they are not they are so wrong about this country and the so wrong about this country and tne way— so wrong about this country and tne way tney— so wrong about this country and the way they portray the royal tantty— the way they portray the royal tantty ae— the way they portray the royal family as racist.— the way they portray the royal family as racist. did you care atett— family as racist. did you care about meghan's— family as racist. did you care about meghan's mixed race here? no, about meghan's mixed race here? we, t— about meghan's mixed race here? we, t tttn-t— about meghan's mixed race here? no, i didn't even— about meghan's mixed race here? no, i didn't even i— about meghan's mixed race here? no, i didn't even i mean, it tttn-t— no, i didn't even i mean, it tttn-t even— no, i didn't even i mean, it didn't even register at the tne. — didn't even register at the tne. t— didn't even register at the time. i watched suits for years ant— time. i watched suits for years ant t— time. i watched suits for years ant t neven— time. i watched suits for years and i never even— time. i watched suits for years and i never even thought, oh , and i never even thought, oh, ene-e— and i never even thought, oh, ene-e a— and i never even thought, oh, ene-e a net— and i never even thought, oh, she's a mixed race— and i never even thought, oh, she's a mixed race girl. i never tnetgnt— she's a mixed race girl. i never even thought that,— she's a mixed race girl. i never even thought that, you know, i neneetty— even thought that, you know, i honestly didn't.— even thought that, you know, i honestly didn't. and i know tnat— honestly didn't. and i know tnat. we— honestly didn't. and i know that. no one— honestly didn't. and i know that. no one else cared. and yet-ne— that. no one else cared. and ye ttgtt— that. no one else cared. and you're right about the wedding as you're right about the wedding ae wett. — you're right about the wedding as well. people— you're right about the wedding as well. people really embraced tnat— as well. people really embraced tnat wetttng. — as well. people really embraced that wedding. everybody was up for that wedding. everybody was up ten n— that wedding. everybody was up ten n tnte— that wedding. everybody was up ten n tnte tt— that wedding. everybody was up for it, into it. and— that wedding. everybody was up for it, into it. and then then tney— for it, into it. and then then tney teet— for it, into it. and then then tney ttet ttt— for it, into it. and then then they just put their fingers on they just put their fingers on the self—destruct buttons and te— the self—destruct buttons and move to america— the self—destruct buttons and move to america and started etaggtng— move to america and started slagging everybody off to bring us slagging everybody off to bring te tewn— slagging everybody off to bring te tewn wttn— slagging everybody off to bring us down with this dreadful amy.

n0 us down with this dreadful amy. we ene— us down with this dreadful amy. we gave— us down with this dreadful amy. we gave a— us down with this dreadful amy. no one gave a about— us down with this dreadful amy. no one gave a about meghan's race. and actually, if they did care, it was only to embrace it and to say how excited we were to have an american princess. i think that's not exactly true , think that's not exactly true, tnetgn— think that's not exactly true, tnetgn te— think that's not exactly true, tnetgn te tte— think that's not exactly true, though, is it? because. well, it is though, is it? because. well, it te teaee— though, is it? because. well, it is because i've— though, is it? because. well, it is because i've just said it and i is because i've just said it and t ean— is because i've just said it and t tt— is because i've just said it and t tt. — is because i've just said it and i mean it. tii i mean it. recollections may vary. well, is it i mean it. tii well, is it embracing her vary. well, is it embracing her by vary. well, is it embracing her ty eaytng— vary. well, is it embracing her by saying opinion— well, is it embracing her by saying opinion pieces, gtettng— by saying opinion pieces, quoting exotic— by saying opinion pieces, quoting exotic dna , saying quoting exotic dna, saying natty-e— quoting exotic dna, saying nanny-e gtnt— quoting exotic dna, saying nanny-e gtnt te— quoting exotic dna, saying harry's girl is straight out of centten— harry's girl is straight out of centten ?— harry's girl is straight out of compton ? there— harry's girl is straight out of compton ? there was a very big compton? there was a very big ttttenenee— compton? there was a very big difference between the way she ttnetty— difference between the way she was. firstly, the— difference between the way she was. firstly, the straight outta centten— was. firstly, the straight outta compton headline is not at all naetet— compton headline is not at all nactet tn— compton headline is not at all nactet tn any— compton headline is not at all racist in any way. _ compton headline is not at all racist in any way. . i racist in any way. it's a clever newspaper pun about a neighbourhood where she lived close by in california so that is not evidence of racism. and if you read the whole column about the exotic dna , which was about the exotic dna, which was written by rachel johnson , a written by rachel johnson, a very liberal woman , it was very liberal woman, it was actually entirely in support of meghan. i'm not sure, because it's pointing to her race all the time. there was a lot of

unconscious. _ the time. there was a lot of unconscious. what- . there was a lot of unconscious. what does this mean 7 unconscious. what does this mean t we.— unconscious. what does this mean t we. tt— unconscious. what does this mean t we. tt nneane— unconscious. what does this mean ? no, it means what— unconscious. what does this mean ? no, it means what does- unconscious. what does this mean ? no, it means what does this mean? i'll tell you what nattenet.— mean? i'll tell you what happened. i'll- 7 i'll tell you what happened. i'll tell you what nattenet— happened. i'll tell you what happened when— happened. i'll tell you what happened when harry got with ttegnan— happened when harry got with ttegnan tt— happened when harry got with meghan, it was— happened when harry got with meghan, it was there were a hell of meghan, it was there were a hell et a— meghan, it was there were a hell et a tet— meghan, it was there were a hell et a tet et— meghan, it was there were a hell of a lot of hell— meghan, it was there were a hell of a lot of hell of— meghan, it was there were a hell of a lot of hell of a— meghan, it was there were a hell of a lot of hell of a lot of ttaet— of a lot of hell of a lot of black commentators saying this is black commentators saying this te gneat. — black commentators saying this te gneat. we-ve— black commentators saying this is great. we've got a person of tweet— is great. we've got a person of etneet tn— is great. we've got a person of etneet tn tne— is great. we've got a person of colour in the royal— is great. we've got a person of colour in the royal family and evetyene— colour in the royal family and evetyene etee— colour in the royal family and everyone else is— colour in the royal family and everyone else is sitting around ant— everyone else is sitting around ant gang,— everyone else is sitting around ant going, on— everyone else is sitting around and going, oh, really? okay tnat-e— and going, oh, really? okay tnat-e gneat.— and going, oh, really? okay that's great. is— and going, oh, really? okay that's great. is it great? yeah tte— that's great. is it great? yeah tt-e gneat. — that's great. is it great? yeah it's great. and— that's great. is it great? yeah it's great. and not- that's great. is it great? yeah it's great. ' “t: “g that's great. is it great? yeah it's great. “t: “g it's great. and not being, not being funny, but, you know, like so i'm married to a white woman and you know, we, we look at our children and we thought about our children and you go, what are they going to look like? it's a perfectly normal are you say that's not necessarily racist. what if a relative, tnetgn— racist. what if a relative, tnetgn nat— racist. what if a relative, though, had said- ?ti. what if a relative, though, had said to you, oh, how tant— though, had said to you, oh, how tant te— though, had said to you, oh, how tant te yet— though, had said to you, oh, how dark do you think— though, had said to you, oh, how dark do you think your baby's going— dark do you think your baby's getng te— dark do you think your baby's getng te tee— dark do you think your baby's going to be? because harry and ttegnan— going to be? because harry and meghan suggested that that was naetet. — meghan suggested that that was naetet. t— meghan suggested that that was racist. ithink— meghan suggested that that was racist. i think it's— meghan suggested that that was racist. i think it's perfectly vattt. — racist. i think it's perfectly valid. question- racist. i think it's perfectly valid. 1 tit“ ' 3 ii racist. i think it's perfectly- valid. question alongside what colour are they going to have? what hair colour are they going to have? i think you said eenetntng— to have? i think you said something quite- 7 i think you said something quite interesting teaee— something quite interesting because _ start. something quite interestingi because—start of because right at the start of wnen— because right at the start of

when - started - because right at the start of when started speaking, you when you started speaking, you eat— when you started speaking, you eat-te— when you started speaking, you eattite nave— when you started speaking, you said do have progress to be said we do have progress to be nate— said we do have progress to be mate-tnat-e— said we do have progress to be made-that's what- said we do have progress to be made that's what i think. made and that's what i think. i tntnt— made and that's what i think. i think sometimes— made and that's what i think. i think sometimes you when think sometimes when you when you think sometimes when you when yet-tnttatn-e— think sometimes when you when you-britain's-racist- you say britain's not a racist eetntny— you say britain's not a racist eetntnylae— you say britain's not a racist country,-as.we're- country, it's as if we're tentect— country, it's as if we're perfect and— country, it's as if we're perfect and we're far from tenteet— perfect and we're far from perfect,-said. - perfect and we're far from perfect, said. perfect, steele said. look at tte— perfect, steele said. look at the better. but— perfect, steele said. look at the better. but you're- perfect, steele said. but you're you know, the better. but you're you know, yew— the better. but you're you know, yew panty— but you're you know, your party commissioned the steete— your party commissioned the steete neten— your party commissioned the steele report by— your party commissioned the steele report by sewell steele report by tony sewell entteteet— steele report by tony sewell criticised - not _ steele report by tony sewell criticised - not a - steele report by tony sewell criticised not a credible criticised it's not a credible neten.— criticised it's not a credible netent. — criticised it's not a credible neten. we— criticised it's not a credible neten. we .— criticised it's not a credible report. n0 , no,- criticised it's not a credible report. ttit report. no, no, no, no, no. that's report. no, no, no, no, no. we a— report. no, no, no, no, no. that's a disgusting- report. ttit that's a disgusting thing to eay. — that's a disgusting thing to eay. tew— that's a disgusting thing to say. how dare— that's a disgusting thing to say. : tit-7 can i say one say. how dare you? can i say one tntng— say. how dare you? can i say one tntng te— say. how dare you? can i say one tntng te tantty,— say. how dare you? can i say one thing to clarify, tony— say. t:?iti tit-7 can i say one thing to clarify, tony sewell. wtyt— thing to clarify, tony sewell. wtye neatte— thing to clarify, tony sewell. why? because he— thing to clarify, tony sewell. why? because he didn't- thing to clarify, tony sewell. why? because he didn't say that the country was a racist household. they spent months and they were incredible people on that commission. think that commission. so i think that's disgusting. anniversary that commission. so i think th.windrush;ting. anniversary that commission. so i think th.windrush;ting. iyes.1ersary that commission. so i think th.windrush;ting. iyes. yes.ry that commission. so i think th.windrush;ting. iyes. yes. the of windrush today. yes. yes. the wtntnwen— of windrush today. yes. yes. the windrush generation, when they anntvet — windrush generation, when they nnavewent-e- windrush generation, when they arrived were treated arrived in the uk were treated attatttng. — arrived in the uk were treated attatttng. se— arrived in the uk were treated appalling. so think about the tnegneee— appalling. so think about the tnegneee weve— appalling. so think about the progress we've made. theresa way-e— progress we've made. theresa atay-e—tntet- progress we've made. theresa way-e—tnet tel progress we've made. theresa- may's_tried to deport may's government tried to deport no may's government tried to deport ne vaet— may's government tried to deport no vast swathes_ may's government tried to deport no vast swathes of— may's government tried to deport no vast swathes of the windrush tnen — no vast swathes of the windrush tnen tne — no vast swathes of the windrush tnen tne taye— no vast swathes of the windrush from the days of— no vast swathes of the windrush from the days of no blacks, no tnten— from the days of no blacks, no tnten te— from the days of no blacks, no tnten te ne— from the days of no blacks, no irish, to now having an asian tnne— irish, to now having an asian prime minister— irish, to now having an asian prime minister or— irish, to now having an asian prime minister or a hindu prime tttnteten. — prime minister or a hindu prime tttnteten. can— prime minister or a hindu prime minister. can i— prime minister or a hindu prime minister. can i just— prime minister or a hindu prime minister. �*7 “ minister. can ijust finish my muslim first minister of scotland? okay, final word, amy tenten— scotland? okay, final word, amy tenten ttayet— scotland? okay, final word, amy tenten maya, t— scotland? okay, final word, amy london mayor, i want— i :7 okay, final word, amy london mayor, i want to do all i want— london mayor, i want to do all i want te— london mayor, i want to do all i want te te— london mayor, i want to do all i want te te te— london mayor, i want to do all i want to do is finish— london mayor, i want to do all i want to do is finish that point

wtntnwen— want to do is finish that point windrush generation quickly. �*vtti windrush generation quickly. we tteatet— windrush generation quickly. we tteatet tnent— windrush generation quickly. we treated them appallingly.- treated them appallingly. we tried them. and now tried to deport them. and now guess what? we still haven't sorted compensation sorted out their compensation payments. so if we aren't a racist prove it by racist country, prove it by giving they deserve. giving them what they deserve. okay, now the british bashing centenatten— okay, now the british bashing corporation is— okay, now the british bashing corporation is embroiled yet corporation is embroiled in yet anetnen— corporation is embroiled in yet another—storm,- corporation is embroiled in yeti another_ storm, this another impartiality storm, this ttne— another impartiality storm, this ttne tne— another impartiality storm, this time the culprit— another impartiality storm, this time the culprit being bbc news tneeenten— time the culprit being bbc news tneeenten ant— time the culprit being bbc news presenter and poster boy clive ttynte— presenter and poster boy clive ttynte .— presenter and poster boy clive ttyne . wne — presenter and poster boy clive myrie , who appeared on the woke myrie, who appeared on the woke tanet— myrie, who appeared on the woke eanet—t— myrie, who appeared on the woke tanet—t-wewe- myrie, who appeared on the woke panel—i-news fori panel show have i got news for vet— panel show have i got news for vet-a— panel show have i got news for vet-a wnete— panel show have i got news for you-a whole load- panel show have i got news for you a whole load of tory you with a whole load of tory taentng— you with a whole load of tory taentng ttee— you with a whole load of tory bashing jokes up— you with a whole load of tory bashing jokes up his sleeve? i tetttn-t— bashing jokes up his sleeve? i couldn't believe— bashing jokes up his sleeve? i couldn't believe this. have a teet— couldn't believe this. have a teet. atten— couldn't believe this. have a look. after being— couldn't believe this. have a look. after being found by the tewee— look. after being found by the tewee et— look. after being found by the house of commons committee to nave— house of commons committee to have-repeatedly,— have lied repeatedly, boris tenneen— have lied repeatedly, boris johnson-the- have lied repeatedly, boris johnson the opportunity to johnson takes the opportunity to teny— johnson takes the opportunity to teny tnat— johnson takes the opportunity to teny tnat ne-e— johnson takes the opportunity to deny that he's ever been jogging or deny that he's ever been jogging en tnat— deny that he's ever been jogging en tnat ne— deny that he's ever been jogging or that he has— deny that he's ever been jogging or that he hasldog_ deny that he's ever been jogging or that he has dog . 5?t: or that he has a dog. the sad tntng— or that he has a dog. the sad thing about this is it's kind of crashed into the back of the other story, which we didn't even get to deal with. his mad resignation, an honours list. so i think we had the full so idthink we had the full time so i think we had the full time to so i think we had the full time te te— so i think we had the full time to be outraged. _ so i think we had the full time to be outraged. cj“ “ so i think we had the full time to be outraged. cj“ titit“ . to be outraged. oh, helen, don't worry. good. plenty of to be outraged. cj“ titit“ . -: plenty of time. oh, worry. good. plenty of time. oh, geet.— worry. good. plenty of time. oh, geet. — worry. good. plenty of time. oh, geet. anyone— worry. good. plenty of time. oh, good. anyone know— worry. good. plenty of time. oh, good. anyone know why boris johnson might have given a one .

johnson might have given a one. given her a peerage ? that is given her a peerage? that is what you'll remember. - t; 37 that is what you'll remember. you were tnene— what you'll remember. you were ten ten— what you'll remember. you were ten ten tne— what you'll remember. you were there for the end— what you'll remember. you were there for the end of clive tyneee— there for the end of clive kyrees career. - there for the end of clive kyrees career. “tit?“ or the kyrees career. yeah. or the tegtnntng— kyrees career. yeah. or the tegtnntng et— kyrees career. yeah. or the tegtnntng et a— kyrees career. “tit?“ or the beginning of a new ride . beginning of a new ride. the ttantettng— beginning of a new ride. the blundering beeb,_ beginning of a new ride. the blundering beeb, then draghi automatically pulled miri from the 10:00 news show airing on the 10:00 news show airing on the same night after content chief charlotte moore got spooked. they would be called out for their anti—tory bias, but surely, surely the so—called impartial presenter shouldn't have been on the programme making all of these jokes about how terrible boris and the tories are in the first place. but now breaking tonight . the but now breaking tonight. the family of the british billionaire adventurer and titan sub victim hamish harding have just paid tribute to the dedicated father who they say lived his life for his family , lived his life for his family, his business, and for us. the next adventure . amy nicol ranil

next adventure. amy nicol ranil jayawardena , carol mcgiffin do jayawardena, carol mcgiffin do stand by because coming up, find out which pop megastar earned her halo . no clue by donating £1 her halo. no clue by donating £1 million to a flurry of needy restaurants . when i crowned my restaurants. when i crowned my gb and later in the show. but next, an uncancelled. why did elton john's husband, david furnish say phillip schofield made a colossal error of judgement before later, telling sky news he was a victim of homophobia? fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie gets stuck into that bomb . shell claims that plus bomb. shell claims that plus bomb. shell claims that bbc deliberately misled that the bbc deliberately misled the over martin bashir's the public over martin bashir's princess diana shenanigans . princess diana shenanigans. we're back in just two minutes time .

it's time now for uncanceled. and this is where britain's top commentators speak out on controversial issues without the fear of the cancel culture sweeping the rest of the media. and david furnish, the husband of pop legend elton john, has

popped up of pop legend elton john, has popped up on sky news with some rather confusing commentary on popped up on sky news with some rathrecentfusing commentary on popped up on sky news with some rathrecent phillip:ommentary on popped up on sky news with some rathrecent phillip schofieldy on the recent phillip schofield saga. first and 16, the former this morning presenter was right to resign before echoing elton's recent comments by branding the media coverage of the scandal as homophobic . media coverage of the scandal as homophobic. nick media coverage of the scandal as homophobic . nick watch media coverage of the scandal as homophobic. nick watch phillip schofield and elton agrees, behaved inappropriately. he and it could be perceived— behaved inappropriately. he and it could be perceived as- behaved inappropriately. he and it could be perceived as an- it could be perceived as an atwee— it could be perceived as an atwee et— it could be perceived as an abuse of power. _ it could be perceived as an abuse of power. and it was also he abuse of power. and it was also ne tet— abuse of power. and it was also he lied about— abuse of power. and it was also he lied about it,— abuse of power. and it was also he lied about it, so— abuse of power. and it was also he lied about it, so he behaved tnattnetntatety— he lied about it, so he behaved inappropriately. obe. i think wnat— inappropriately. obe. i think wnat wae— inappropriately. obe. i think what was horrifying to watch was wnat— what was horrifying to watch was wnat t— what was horrifying to watch was wnat t wewt — what was horrifying to watch was what i would call— what i would call a disproportionate response within eentatn— disproportionate response within certain levels— disproportionate response within certain levels of— disproportionate response within certain levels of the media wnene— certain levels of the media wnene tt— certain levels of the media where it was— certain levels of the media where it was written about over ant— where it was written about over ant eve— where it was written about over ant ant— where it was written about over and over and over,— where it was written about over and over and over, where they tetttng— and over and over, where they ttttng ten— and over and over, where they were piling for on— and over and over, where they were piling for on four days and tnen— were piling for on four days and ten weete— were piling for on four days and ten weete .— were piling for on four days and then weeks , continually writing then weeks, continually writing negattve— then weeks, continually writing negattve .— then weeks, continually writing negattve , ntgnty— then weeks, continually writing negative , highly critical negative, highly critical twee.— negative, highly critical tteeee. tt— negative, highly critical pieces. it felt- negative, highly critical pieces. it felt disproportionate to pieces. it felt disproportionate te tne— pieces. it felt disproportionate to the situation— pieces. it felt disproportionate to the situation at hand. he did an tntentew— to the situation at hand. he did an interview. he— to the situation at hand. he did an interview. he acknowledged ne-t— an interview. he acknowledged ne-t nate— an interview. he acknowledged he'd made mistakes. he wants to go he'd made mistakes. he wants to ge tetwant— he'd made mistakes. he wants to ge tetwant wttn— he'd made mistakes. he wants to go forward with his— he'd made mistakes. he wants to go forward with his life . go forward with his life. tettgttet— go forward with his life. delighted to _ go forward with his life. delighted to welcome to the show fleet street legend, former

editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. kelvin why are they bringing homophobe media into this? when schofield himself concealed his sexuality while married to a woman for decades and only actually revealed the sexuality as a way to stop the story about the young runner coming out, i just don't see how this is homophobic. kelvin do you ? well, well, actually , it's you? well, well, actually, it's tnan— you? well, well, actually, it's worse than that— tit-7 well, well, actually, it's worse than that because in the entgtnat— worse than that because in the original elton— worse than that because in the original elton john interview taet— original elton john interview taet weet— original elton john interview last week, he— original elton john interview last week, he said that had this teen— last week, he said that had this teen a— last week, he said that had this teen a gtnt— last week, he said that had this teen a gtnt a— last week, he said that had this been a girl, a girl,— last week, he said that had this been a girl, a girl, a woman, ne-t— been a girl, a girl, a woman, ne-t nat— been a girl, a girl, a woman, ne-t nat tne— been a girl, a girl, a woman, he'd had the relationship with, it he'd had the relationship with, t wewt— he'd had the relationship with, t wewt att— he'd had the relationship with, it would all been— he'd had the relationship with, it would all been over with in a natten— it would all been over with in a natten et— it would all been over with in a matter of days. _ it would all been over with in a matter of days. i . matter of days. actually, it would have been a lot worse. this would have been a girl of 15 who was hired , thanks to the 15 who was hired, thanks to the quotes relationship. when he was when she was 18. and a relationship started when she was 20. i'm there would have beenit was 20. i'm there would have been it could possibility a plot going around if it had been a girl. so it is completely, completely wrong. and the other issue that i didn't like about

what elton john said was that he claimed that that the homophobe phobia was on the march in the united states. now he probably has got his ear closer to the ground on this kind of stuff than i have. but actually , i than i have. but actually, i haven't seen anything as far as i can see. there is no such thing as far as i can detect anyway , in the uk on the western anyway, in the uk on the western world, and called homophobia . world, and called homophobia. what there is, is a fantastic embrace saying of anybody's sexuality . and so i wonder sexuality. and so i wonder whether it's because elton john fears that without having the microphone on anymore because it's his last tour, whether he feels he's got to carry on saying this kind of stuff in order to make himself and his partner furnish relevant. i think it's completely wrong. and they should actually, on this subject , they should keep out of subject, they should keep out of it. okay. subject, they should keep out of it . okay. now, look, the bbc , it. okay. now, look, the bbc, catvtn— it. okay. now, look, the bbc, catvtn nae— it. okay. now, look, the bbc, calvin, has been— . okay. now, look, the bbc, calvin, has been accused of a eeneattenat— calvin, has been accused of a sensational cover— calvin, has been accused of a sensational cover up over the tntanewe— sensational cover up over the infamous martin— sensational cover up over the

infamous martin bashir interview wttn— infamous martin bashir interview wttn tntnceee— infamous martin bashir interview with princess diana. so in awtwnn— with princess diana. so in autumn 2020,— with princess diana. so in autumn 2020, the broadcaster ctatnet— autumn 2020, the broadcaster claimed bashir's— autumn 2020, the broadcaster claimed bashir's ill health. ttgtt. — claimed bashir's ill health. right. remember, this made it tnteeettte— right. remember, this made it impossible for— right. remember, this made it impossible for them to answer any— impossible for them to answer any gweettene— impossible for them to answer any questions about the panorama eeantat. — any questions about the panorama scandal. - however, - any questions about the panorama scandal. however, the scandal. however however, the tatty— scandal. however however, the tatty tetegnatn— scandal. however however, the daily telegraph have done a gneat— daily telegraph have done a gneat tet— daily telegraph have done a great job obtaining emails that enew—wene- show bbc executives were atttatty— show bbc executives were aetwatty tn— show bbc executives were actually in contact with the ttegnaeet— actually in contact with the disgraced reporter at the time. tnte— disgraced reporter at the time. we te— disgraced reporter at the time. we te wnat— disgraced reporter at the time. this is what the— disgraced reporter at the time. this is what the bbc has said tentgnt— this is what the bbc has said tonight. kelvin,— this is what the bbc has said tonight. kelvin, the bbc rejects any ewggeetten— tonight. kelvin, the bbc rejects any suggestion it— tonight. kelvin, the bbc rejects any suggestion it has acted tttegatty. — any suggestion it has acted tttegatty. tne— any suggestion it has acted illegally. the fact there were tnene— illegally. the fact there were ten wae— illegally. the fact there were there was contact between the teet — there was contact between the teet ant — there was contact between the beeb and martin— there was contact between the beeb and martin bashir does not tnat— beeb and martin bashir does not tnat ne— beeb and martin bashir does not mean that he was— beeb and martin bashir does not mean that he was at the time fit to mean that he was at the time fit te tanttettate— mean that he was at the time fit te tanttettate tn— mean that he was at the time fit to participate in any detailed tteeweeten— to participate in any detailed discussion of— to participate in any detailed discussion of the events of 1995.— discussion of the events of ttttlwaen-t— discussion of the events of 1995..wasn't .- discussion of the events of 1995. wasn't . but i have to 1995. he wasn't. but i have to say— 1995. he wasn't. but i have to say .— 1995. he wasn't. but i have to eay , navtng— 1995. he wasn't. but i have to say , having looked at all of the say, having looked at all of the enatt— say, having looked at all of the email discussions— say, having looked at all of the email discussions myself, it teete— email discussions myself, it teete ttte— email discussions myself, it feels like the— email discussions myself, it feels like the bbc were directly nteteattng— feels like the bbc were directly misleading the— feels like the bbc were directly misleading the media over this agatn— misleading the media over this agatn, wttn— misleading the media over this again, which is— misleading the media over this again, which is just astonishing . teat.— again, which is just astonishing . teat. wett— again, which is just astonishing . yeah, well, yeah— again, which is just astonishing . yeah, well, yeah ,- again, which is just astonishing . yeah, well, yeah , but- again, which is just astonishing . yeah, well, yeah, but this has been going on, you know, i mean, this is hard to believe. this has been going on- this is hard to believe. this has been going on for- “?t: this has been going on for 30 years, agha— has been going on for 30 years, ntgnte tte— has been going on for 30 years, right? it's massively in the

tte-e— right? it's massively in the bbc's interests— right? it's massively in the bbc's interests to cover up evetytntng— bbc's interests to cover up evetytntng .— bbc's interests to cover up everything . and if they can everything. and if they can etan— everything. and if they can claim tnat— everything. and if they can claim that bashir had ill neattn— claim that bashir had ill health, although, of course tnene— health, although, of course tnene wae— health, although, of course tnene a— health, although, of course there was a great photo, wasn't tnene— there was a great photo, wasn't tnene wnen— there was a great photo, wasn't there when he— there was a great photo, wasn't there when he was— there was a great photo, wasn't there when he was ill going into a wry— there when he was ill going into a ewny newee— there when he was ill going into a curry house and— there when he was ill going into a curry house and coming out wttn— a curry house and coming out wttn a— a curry house and coming out with a bottle— a curry house and coming out with a bottle of— a curry house and coming out with a bottle of wine and wnateven— with a bottle of wine and whatever kind _ with a bottle of wine and whatever kind of curry he enteyet— whatever kind of curry he enjoyed .— whatever kind of curry he enjoyed . ee— whatever kind of curry he enjoyed . so look, i, i don't enjoyed. so look, i, i don't tnew— enjoyed. so look, i, i don't tnew new— enjoyed. so look, i, i don't know how well— enjoyed. so look, i, i don't know how well mr bashir is , as know how well mr bashir is, as he know how well mr bashir is, as ne eeene— know how well mr bashir is, as ne te— know how well mr bashir is, as he seems to have— know how well mr bashir is, as he seems to have been smart enewgn— he seems to have been smart enewgn te— he seems to have been smart enough to have— he seems to have been smart enough to have pulled off one of the enough to have pulled off one of tne gneat— enough to have pulled off one of tne gneat en— enough to have pulled off one of the great con jobs— enough to have pulled off one of the great con jobs of all time, tntettng— the great con jobs of all time, tntcttng a— the great con jobs of all time, tricking a princess into into attaettng— tricking a princess into into attacking her,— tricking a princess into into attacking her, her husband on tetevteten— attacking her, her husband on television and— attacking her, her husband on television and at— attacking her, her husband on television and at the same time taeet— television and at the same time never faced any— television and at the same time never faced any issue whatsoever . ae— never faced any issue whatsoever . ae tan— never faced any issue whatsoever . ae tan ae— never faced any issue whatsoever . ae tan ae t— never faced any issue whatsoever . as far as i know,— never faced any issue whatsoever . as far as i know, he's never wnttten— . as far as i know, he's never wnttten a— . as far as i know, he's never written a check.— . as far as i know, he's never written a check. nothing's ever nattenet.— written a check. nothing's ever nattenet. ant— written a check. nothing's ever happened. and the other issue tve— happened. and the other issue tve get— happened. and the other issue tve get te— happened. and the other issue tve get te wny— happened. and the other issue i've got is why hasn't why teeen-t— i've got is why hasn't why doesn't harry— i've got is why hasn't why doesn't harry get irritated by tntee— doesn't harry get irritated by tntee tnte— doesn't harry get irritated by this? this was— doesn't harry get irritated by this? this was his mother, after at.— this? this was his mother, after at. ant— this? this was his mother, after at. ant yew— this? this was his mother, after all. and you know— this? this was his mother, after all. and you know why? because tnene-e— all. and you know why? because tnene-e ne— all. and you know why? because there's no money— all. and you know why? because there's no money in— all. and you know why? because there's no money in it, right? at teaet— there's no money in it, right? at teaet tt— there's no money in it, right? at least if he— there's no money in it, right? at least if he can— there's no money in it, right? at least if he can attack the tattett— at least if he can attack the tabloid press,— at least if he can attack the tabloid press, go— at least if he can attack the tabloid press, go through the ntgn— tabloid press, go through the ntgn-tne— tabloid press, go through the ntgn-tne ent- tabloid press, go through the high _the end of- tabloid press, go through the high the end of the high court. at the end of the dty,— high court. at the end of the day—a- high court. at the end of the tay—a check-i high court. at the end of the. day,_a check. but day, there may be a check. but atttatty— day, there may be a check. but actually, when _ day, there may be a check. but actually, when there's something day, there may be a check. but actuthis, when there's something day, there may be a check. but actuthis, which there's something day, there may be a check. but

actuthis, which isere's something day, there may be a check. but actuthis, which is actuallyething like this, which is actually twte— like this, which is actually gwte eteanty— like this, which is actually quite clearly 101% wrong, what ne-e— quite clearly 101% wrong, what ne-e ae— quite clearly 101% wrong, what ne-e ae twtet— quite clearly 101% wrong, what he's as quiet as— quite clearly 101% wrong, what he's as quiet as a— quite clearly 101% wrong, what he's as quiet as a church mouse . tte— he's as quiet as a church mouse . tt-e very— he's as quiet as a church mouse . it's very puzzling— he's as quiet as a church mouse . it's very puzzling indeed. tee— . it's very puzzling indeed. te-e tett— . it's very puzzling indeed. he's left attacking- . it's very puzzling indeed. he's left attacking the- . it's very puzzling indeed. he's left attacking the bbc. all all to prince william. actually kelvin mackenzie, brilliant stuff. we will speak on monday. thank you very much. but it's time now to reveal tonight's greatest britain and union jackass. my superstar panel returned. carol mcgiffin, who's your nominee for tonight's greatest britain. it's elon musk for greatest britain. it's elon musk ten teantng— greatest britain. it's elon musk ten teantng wt— greatest britain. it's elon musk for teaming up with— greatest britain. it's elon musk for teaming up with jk- citit?.ti5t. “ it's elon musk for teaming up with jk rowling and for teaming up with jk rowling ant eaytng— for teaming up with jk rowling ant eaytng tnat— for teaming up with jk rowling and saying that the cis man, cis tnnaee— and saying that the cis man, cis woman phrase is— and saying that the cis man, cis woman phrase is a— and saying that the cis man, cis woman phrase is a slur. and saying that the cis man, cis woman phrase is a slur . and woman phrase is a slur. and anyene— woman phrase is a slur. and anyne wne— woman phrase is a slur. and anyone who uses— woman phrase is a slur. and anyone who uses it on twitter is going— anyone who uses it on twitter is getng te— anyone who uses it on twitter is getng te enwt— anyone who uses it on twitter is going to chuck off— anyone who uses it on twitter is going to chuck off and i hope he teee.— going to chuck off and i hope he teee. teat.— going to chuck off and i hope he teee. vean. te— going to chuck off and i hope he does. yeah. do not— going to chuck off and i hope he does. yeah. do not call me a cis t— does. yeah. do not call me a cis t annet— does. yeah. do not call me a cis man. i cannot bear— does. yeah. do not call me a cis man. i cannot bear it.- does. yeah. do not call me a cis man. “ . ttit man. i cannot bear it. no, no. who's your nominee? well, my nominee is the 13 year old girl. and her friend at rye college wne— and her friend at rye college wne etete— and her friend at rye college wne etete wt— and her friend at rye college who spoke up for— and her friend at rye college who spoke up for common sense. tnte— who spoke up for common sense. we weet— who spoke up for common sense. this week, taking— who spoke up for common sense. this week, taking on the hard tett— this week, taking on the hard tett natteat— this week, taking on the hard left radical establishment that te— left radical establishment that te te— left radical establishment that seems to be encroaching on every

aetect— seems to be encroaching on every aeteet et— seems to be encroaching on every aeteet et ew— seems to be encroaching on every aspect of our education. ' aspect of our education. amy tteet— aspect of our education. amy wtcet yew— aspect of our education. ' t titit- i 7 well, it's nicol, your nominee? well, it's an honorary greatest- t titit- i 7 well, it's an honorary greatest britain tnte— an honorary greatest britain tnte weet— an honorary greatest britain this week i've— an honorary greatest britain this week i've gone for beyonce, wne— this week i've gone for beyonce, wne gave— this week i've gone for beyonce, wne gave ttt— this week i've gone for beyonce, who gave $1 million to restaurants— who gave $1 million to restaurants in need in including a wtgentan— restaurants in need in including a nigerian restaurant in north tenten— a nigerian restaurant in north tenten wne— a nigerian restaurant in north london who got— a nigerian restaurant in north london who got £8,000 off of tween— london who got £8,000 off of tween tee— london who got £8,000 off of tween tee . — london who got £8,000 off of queen bee . that's- london who got £8,000 off of queen bee . t:- i queen bee. that's quite cool. but queen bee. that's quite cool. twt tn— queen bee. that's quite cool. but i'm actually— queen bee. that's quite cool. but i'm actually going- queen bee. but i'm actually going to go wttn— but i'm actually going to go with randall— but i'm actually going to go with randall j.— but i'm actually going to go with randall j. lord dannatt and the with randall j. lord dannatt and tne tye— with randall j. lord dannatt and tne ttye seneet— with randall j. lord dannatt and the rye school girls who were so tnenetttty— the rye school girls who were so incredibly brave _ the rye school girls who were so incredibly brave to— the rye school girls who were so incredibly brave to fight back agatnet— incredibly brave to fight back against their— incredibly brave to fight back against their teacher who called tnen — against their teacher who called them despicable— against their teacher who called them despicable just for tettevtng— them despicable just for believing biological sex. believing in biological sex. eanet— believing in biological sex. carol—union. carol mcgiffin your union tactaee— carol mcgiffin your union jackass nominee? t5015.- carol mcgiffin your union jackass nominee? titti-- . jackass nominee? well, it's anttew— jackass nominee? well, it's andrew bailey, the governor of the bank of england, for just being completely useless and blaming else, blaming blaming everybody else, blaming people unreasoned people for asking for unreasoned pay people for asking for unreasoned pay rises, for inflation. so he's got to go , carol. it's all he's got to go, carol. it's all our fault. it's all our fault. yeah. not him. not being a globalist. he's got one job nnenete— globalist. he's got one job monster. one— globalist. he's got one job monster. one job. - g he's got one job monster . cj“ti “tit?“ globalist. he's got one job monster. one job. yeah. randall jayawardhana, your nominee for union jackass, the labour party. they now say they want to hire a

ttvenetty— they now say they want to hire a ttvenetty tean— they now say they want to hire a diversity tsar in— they now say they want to hire a diversity tsar in government at tattayene— diversity tsar in government at taxpayers expense to get more women, more people of ethnic ntnentttee— women, more people of ethnic minorities, more— women, more people of ethnic minorities, more people of wenttng— minorities, more people of working class— minorities, more people of working class backgrounds, eteetet— working class backgrounds, elected parliament. you know, elected to parliament. you know, get— elected to parliament. you know, get an— elected to parliament. you know, we've got an asian— elected to parliament. you know, we've got an asian prime tttnteten— we've got an asian prime minister. we've- we've got an asian prime minister. we've had two in neeent— minister. we've had two in recent succession , female prime recent succession, female prime tttntetene— recent succession, female prime tttntetene. t— recent succession, female prime ministers. i think— recent succession, female prime ministers. i think the party, anent— ministers. i think the party, t tneye — ministers. i think the party, aren't they? “?t: aren't they? that's never had a female. exactly they're the ones tnat— female. exactly they're the ones tnat can-t— female. exactly they're the ones tnat ean-t te— female. exactly they're the ones that can't do it.— female. exactly they're the ones that can't do it. it's— female. exactly they're the ones that can't do it. it's their- that can't do it. it's their tanttee— that can't do it. it's their parties problem. they want you, the parties problem. they want you, tne tattayet— parties problem. they want you, tne taxpayen, te — parties problem. they want you, the taxpayer, to pay for it. and tnat-e— the taxpayer, to pay for it. and we en— the taxpayer, to pay for it. and we en tet— the taxpayer, to pay for it. and that's on top of— the taxpayer, to pay for it. and that's on top of the £427 ntttten— that's on top of the £427 million every— that's on top of the £427 million every year spent on ttvenetty— million every year spent on diversity people— million every year spent on diversity people in the public eecten— diversity people in the public eecten— diversity people in the public eecten tnte— diversity people in the public sector. this is— diversity people in the public sector. this is what's got to diversity people in the public eecten tnte— diversity people in the public sector. this is— etet. — sector. this is what's got to etet. ant— sector. this is what's got to etet. ant anny— sector. this is what's got to stop. and amy nick- sector. this is what's got to stop. “t: t ti.

ridiculous— responsibility for that ridiculous political . /tit- ti?“ ridiculous political. you can enew— ridiculous political. you can etew nne— ridiculous political. you can etew we tte— ridiculous political. you can show me the evidence for that ridiculous straight after the show . amy, nicole, randall, jay show. amy, nicole, randall, jay gardner, carol mcgiffin, thank you so much. oh, i've got to tell you who's one, though. i've got to tell you who's one? it's me. if it's mcgeough. of course it is. it's andrew bailey. he's the union jackass of the week for so spectacularly in for failing so spectacularly in his job and leaving us to pick up all the pieces. right. as carol says today, he was saying that it's our terrible fault for asking for pay rises. honestly the guy needs to go. the guy needs to go. mcgeough randall, amy, nicole, thank you so much for your company tonight. thank you for your company. all week. my you for your company. all week. my goodness, so much news. well, i'm back monday night from £0.09 pm. having incredible weekend next up, though, it's the folks from headliners. good night.

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