n0 spin , no bias, no spin , no bias, no censorship. no spin, no bias, no censorship. i'm dan wootton. and breaking tonight— i'm dan wootton. and breaking tonight after— i'm dan wootton. and breaking tonight after a— i'm dan wootton. and breaking tonight after a debris field was discovered— tonight after a debris field was discovered within— tonight after a debris field was discovered within the search for— discovered within the search for the— discovered within the search area for the missing titanic sub in the— area for the missing titanic sub tn the tast— area for the missing titanic sub in the last hour,— area for the missing titanic sub in the last hour, the us

coastguard— in the last hour, the us coastguard has confirmed the tttt— coastguard has confirmed the news that the _ coastguard has confirmed the news that the whole world was ttetttng— news that the whole world was ttetttng ttts— news that the whole world was dreading this morning. "�* 31] news that the whole world was dreading this morning. 30 dreading this morning. an rov or temeet— dreading this morning. an rov or remote operated vehicle fell from the vessel horizon arctic discovered the tailcone of the titan submersible . approximately titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor . so as titanic on the seafloor. so as the story of these daring- the story of these daring adventures— the story of these daring adventures comes to a tragic end , ant— adventures comes to a tragic end , ant why— adventures comes to a tragic end , ant nny nee— adventures comes to a tragic end , and why has the— adventures comes to a tragic end , and why has the left been tttennttng— , and why has the left been tttennttng te— , and why has the left been attempting to politicise this tragedy— attempting to politicise this tragedy e — attempting to politicise this tragedy e tet— attempting to politicise this tragedy .7 for the- attempting to politicise this tragedy .7 . ti attempting to politicise this tragedy .7 ” ti“ ti“ tragedy? for the super rich can spend £250,000 on vanity jaunts a 2.4 miles beneath the ocean. then they're not being taxed enenen— then they're not being taxed enenen .— then they're not being taxed enengn . wett— then they're not being taxed enough . well, in my digest next, enough. well, in my digest next, i'll celebrate,— enough. well, in my digest next, i'll celebrate, not— enough. well, in my digest next, i'll celebrate, not demonise the tee— i'll celebrate, not demonise the tee et— i'll celebrate, not demonise the lives of these— i'll celebrate, not demonise the lives of these brave fallen exntetete— lives of these brave fallen exnteten . — lives of these brave fallen explorers . and- lives of these brave fallen explorers . ' “t: a lives of these brave fallen explorers . ' cc gt: explorers. and i'll get the reaction of my superstar panel. and tonight , i'm joined by carol and tonight, i'm joined by carol mcgiffin making his debut. the former conservator , cabinet former conservator, cabinet minister, ranil jayawardena and

amy nicholl also on the way tonight as writer and politician, sir trevor phillips launches a stinging attack on the sussexes, saying they squandered a golden opportunity to showcase the uk's inclusivity . is he right that quote , no one . is he right that quote, no one cared about meghan's race? top political and social commentators joanna jarjue, samantha smith and chris rose all do battle in the clash. also breaking tonight, a bombshell new yougov poll has meghan markle's approval rating at an all time low . and after a week all time low. and after a week from hell for the duchess, including a spotify dumping and dior snubs her montecito majesty all out of star power, my royal masterminds, lady colin campbell and richard fitzwilliams give their expert opinions . and after their expert opinions. and after elton john came to the defence of phillip schofield this week, his partner, david furnish, has also claimed the ex. this morning presenter is a victim of homophobia. i morning presenter is a victim of homophobia . i think what was homophobia. i think what was nenttytne— homophobia. i think what was nenttytng te — homophobia. i think what was horrifying to watch _ i think what was horrifying to watch was what i nette— horrifying to watch was what i wentt etu— horrifying to watch was what i wentt ettt t— horrifying to watch was what i

would call a disproportionate response within— would call a disproportionate response within certain levels of response within certain levels et tne— response within certain levels et tne nette— response within certain levels of the media where it was nntten— of the media where it was written about— of the media where it was written about over and over and over , where they— written about over and over and over , where they were piling on over, where they were piling on for over, where they were piling on ten tene— over, where they were piling on ten days- ant— over, where they were piling on for days. and then— over, where they were piling on for days. and then weeks. so has senettett— for days. and then weeks. so has schofield really— for days. and then weeks. so has schofield really been targeted etnntt— schofield really been targeted simply tet— schofield really been targeted simply tet tetng— schofield really been targeted simply for being gay ? simply for being gay? fleet stteet— simply for being gay? fleet stteet teen— simply for being gay? fleet street icon kelvin mackenzie is outraged by that assertion. he hits back in uncanceled . also on hits back in uncanceled. also on the way, the bank of england sparks an economic tidal wave with an interest rate rise to 5. so with millions of brits now facing financial ruin, is this rishi sunak mensis horribilis the month when his government's house of cards finally comes crashing down. we'll debate that assessment from the sunday telegraph editor in the media buzz and watch out. woke folk of the world jk rowling in elon musk have joined forces to combat the term cis gender. former tory minister ann widdecombe joins me to react as she dares us the trans lobby to call her a cis woman. you'll also get a first look at

tomorrow's newspaper front pages as they drop as ever new greatest britain union jack has lasted the week before. the night is out this is dan wootton tonight. let's go . tonight. let's go. this is gb news. britain's news channel. and breaking tonight , channel. and breaking tonight, the story that's gripped the world has concluded with the tragic news we all feared most . tragic news we all feared most. it can be confirmed as we come on air that the missing titans submarine has indeed been lost at sea despite the heroic efforts of brave multinational rescue teams who work tirelessly to bring home those five souls on board. now, a statement released by oceangate, the sub's owner read. tonight we now believe that our ceo , stockton believe that our ceo, stockton rush shahzada dawood and his son suleman dawood hamish harding

and paul henry nick hewer have sadly been lost . both these men sadly been lost. both these men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world's oceans. our hearts are with these five souls and every member of their family during this tragic time. we grieve the loss of life and joy we grieve the loss of life and joy they brought to everyone they knew . i'll have a special they knew. i'll have a special digest on this tragedy straight after all the latest on the developing story with our polly middlehurst . developing story with our polly middlehurst. dan, developing story with our polly middlehurst . dan, thank you. middlehurst. dan, thank you. wett— middlehurst. dan, thank you. wen, tntt— middlehurst. dan, thank you. wen, tntt ten— middlehurst. dan, thank you. well, that top story- st�*t�*. :: dan, thank you. well, that top story tonight, more detail— well, that top story tonight, more detail on— well, that top story tonight, more detail on that for you now. tte— more detail on that for you now. tne exnetttten— more detail on that for you now. the expedition company of the men— the expedition company of the titan submersible submersible eeetnette,— titan submersible submersible oceangate, as— titan submersible submersible oceangate, as you heard say, tnet— oceangate, as you heard say, tney tetteve— oceangate, as you heard say, they believe the— oceangate, as you heard say, they believe the pilot and four nteeengen— they believe the pilot and four nteeengete en— they believe the pilot and four passengers on board are likely to te— passengers on board are likely to be confirmed— passengers on board are likely to be confirmed dead . ocean gate to be confirmed dead. ocean gate

nttet— to be confirmed dead. ocean gate nttet ent— to be confirmed dead. ocean gate nttet and cm— to be confirmed dead. ocean gate pilot and ceo stockton, rush uk etttzene— pilot and ceo stockton, rush uk citizens hamish— pilot and ceo stockton, rush uk citizens hamish harding, shazad unneed— citizens hamish harding, shazad deneet ent— citizens hamish harding, shazad dawood and his— citizens hamish harding, shazad dawood and his son sulaiman and tnenen— dawood and his son sulaiman and french national— dawood and his son sulaiman and french national paul henry netttt— french national paul henry netttt teet— french national paul henry nearly lost contact on sunday as the submersible— nearly lost contact on sunday as the submersible headed down unten— the submersible headed down enter me— the submersible headed down under the ocean— the submersible headed down under the ocean 12,000ft below to new— under the ocean 12,000ft below to tne— under the ocean 12,000ft below to view the wreck— under the ocean 12,000ft below to view the wreck of the titanic . tne— to view the wreck of the titanic . tne us— to view the wreck of the titanic . the us coastguard say their teens— . the us coastguard say their tettee net— . the us coastguard say their bodies may never— . the us coastguard say their bodies may never be recovered . bodies may never be recovered. tenetett— bodies may never be recovered. remotely operated vehicles will tt— remotely operated vehicles will tt tne— remotely operated vehicles will remain at the scene, we understand,— remain at the scene, we understand, to- remain at the scene, we understand, to help develop a ntten— understand, to help develop a wider timeline _ understand, to help develop a wider timeline of— understand, to help develop a wider timeline of what may have ntnnenet— wider timeline of what may have ntnnenet te— wider timeline of what may have ntnnenet te tne— wider timeline of what may have happened to the submersible. teet— happened to the submersible. rear admiral— happened to the submersible. rear admiral john mauger says the rear admiral john mauger says tne tte— rear admiral john mauger says the five pieces— rear admiral john mauger says the five pieces of— rear admiral john mauger says the five pieces of debris found in the five pieces of debris found tn tne— the five pieces of debris found in the search— the five pieces of debris found in the search for— the five pieces of debris found in the search for the missing ent— in the search for the missing ent etntten— in the search for the missing sub earlier today— in the search for the missing sub earlier today were consistent— sub earlier today were consistent with a catastrophic tene— consistent with a catastrophic teee et— consistent with a catastrophic teee et tne— consistent with a catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber. an nov— loss of the pressure chamber. an tov et— loss of the pressure chamber. an tov en tennete— loss of the pressure chamber. an rov or remote operated vehicle tren— rov or remote operated vehicle tten tne— rov or remote operated vehicle from the vessel— rov or remote operated vehicle from the vessel horizon arctic tteeetetet— from the vessel horizon arctic discovered the _ from the vessel horizon arctic discovered the tailcone of the ttten — discovered the tailcone of the titan submersible . approximately titan submersible. approximately eeoon— titan submersible. approximately eeoontten— titan submersible. approximately 6300ft from the _ titan submersible. approximately 6300ft from the bow of the tttente— 6300ft from the bow of the tttente en — 6300ft from the bow of the titanic on the— 6300ft from the bow of the

titanic on the seafloor . 30 titanic on the seafloor. the rov eete— titanic on the seafloor. the rov eete tecenttt— titanic on the seafloor. the rov subs recently found additional debnsin subs recently found additional debris in consultation with experts from within the unified command. the debris is consistent with the catastrophic loss acas of the pressure chamber . the well following that chamber. the well following that sad news tonight, today's other top story, the bank of england today increased the interest rate by half a percentage point to 5. that's the highest rate in 15 to 5. that's the highest rate in ts teete— to 5. that's the highest rate in ts teen ee— to 5. that's the highest rate in ts teen ee tne— to 5. that's the highest rate in 15 years as the bank- ls that's the highest rate in 15 years as the bank tries to taste— 15 years as the bank tries to tackle ongoing— 15 years as the bank tries to tackle ongoing inflation. ian, the tackle ongoing inflation. ian, tne sent-e— tackle ongoing inflation. ian, the bank's governor, andrew bailevt— the bank's governor, andrew nettey, went— the bank's governor, andrew bailey, went on— the bank's governor, andrew bailey, went on line to say tnttetten— bailey, went on line to say inflation is— bailey, went on line to say inflation is still— bailey, went on line to say inflation is still too high and meet— inflation is still too high and meet se— inflation is still too high and must be dealt— inflation is still too high and must be dealt with. but he tenet,— must be dealt with. but he ettet, tt— must be dealt with. but he added, if we— must be dealt with. but he added, if we don't raise rates tt— added, if we don't raise rates tt cente— added, if we don't raise rates now, it could be— added, if we don't raise rates now, it could be worse later. tte— now, it could be worse later. we tte— now, it could be worse later. we tne ts— now, it could be worse later. it's the 13 ninth— now, it could be worse later. it's the 13 ninth time in a row tte— it's the 13 ninth time in a row tne sent— it's the 13 ninth time in a row tne sent nee— it's the 13 ninth time in a row the bank has increased the tnteneet— the bank has increased the interest rate. _ the bank has increased the interest rate. the labour teeter,— interest rate. the labour leader, sir— interest rate. the labour leader, sir keir starmer, says tte— leader, sir keir starmer, says in ts— leader, sir keir starmer, says in ts teete— leader, sir keir starmer, says it's 13 years of— leader, sir keir starmer, says it's 13 years of government tattere— it's 13 years of government tettene .— it's 13 years of government failure . but— it's 13 years of government failure . but speaking to failure. but speaking to warehouse— failure. but speaking to warehouse workers in kent eetttet— warehouse workers in kent eetttet en— warehouse workers in kent earlier on today, the prime tttntetet— earlier on today, the prime minister rishi _ earlier on today, the prime minister rishi sunak said tnete-e—

minister rishi sunak said tnete-e ne— minister rishi sunak said there's no easy fix. but halving tnttetten— there's no easy fix. but halving inflation was— there's no easy fix. but halving inflation was still— there's no easy fix. but halving inflation was still his top nttentt— inflation was still his top enenty . — inflation was still his top priority . 3 “g inflation was still his top- priority . rooting out inflation priority. rooting out inflation is not easy. it requires difficult decisions, doesn't happen overnight. but if we don't get on top of it, it will just get worse and it would last longer. and that's not going to do anyone any favours. it's not going to be good for you and your families in the long run. and even though it means i have to make some difficult decisions, type of decisions, that's the type of prime minister i am because i want to do the right thing for you and your families in the long term. 20,000 railway ttetent— long term. 20,000 railway workers-they'll. long term. 20,000 railway workers-they'll on workers have said they'll go on etttte—eetne- workers have said they'll go on etntte—eetne tel strike today. they're going to do strike today. they're going to te-tntee— strike today. they're going to do-three days- strike today. they're going to do three days next month. do it for three days next month. tte— do it for three days next month. tne tttt— do it for three days next month. the rmt union— do it for three days next month. the rmt union announced the rmt union has announced tnteetnet— the rmt union has announced industrial action— the rmt union has announced industrial action on the 2022 ent— industrial action on the 2022 end zstn— industrial action on the 2022 end zstn et— industrial action on the 2022 and 29th of july. _ industrial action on the 2022 and 29th of july. the strikes eetnette— and 29th of july. the strikes coincide with— and 29th of july. the strikes coincide with major sporting evenn— coincide with major sporting event vttn— coincide with major sporting events with the _ coincide with major sporting events with the open and the aenee. — events with the open and the aenee. setn — events with the open and the ashes. both set— events with the open and the ashes. both set to be affected . ashes. both set to be affected. ant— ashes. both set to be affected. ant et— ashes. both set to be affected. ant tt tevtt— ashes. both set to be affected. and at royal ascot today , one and at royal ascot today, one nettteettt— and at royal ascot today, one particular horse _ and at royal ascot today, one particular horse caused a bit of an upset— particular horse caused a bit of an upset tt— particular horse caused a bit of an upset at winning the norfolk states— an upset at winning the norfolk stttee tt— an upset at winning the norfolk stakes at odds— an upset at winning the norfolk stakes at odds of— an upset at winning the norfolk stakes at odds of 150 to 1 vetttnt— stakes at odds of 150 to 1 valiant force— stakes at odds of 150 to 1 valiant force ridden by jockey tene— valiant force ridden by jockey teen reven— valiant force ridden by jockey ross ryan becomes the longest ntteet— ross ryan becomes the longest nneet vvtnne— ross ryan becomes the longest priced winner in— ross ryan becomes the longest

priced winner in ascot racing history-— priced winner in ascot racing history. meanwhile one of the atnt— history. meanwhile one of the atnt ent— history. meanwhile one of the king and queen's horses, desert neve— king and queen's horses, desert nete ven— king and queen's horses, desert nete tne— king and queen's horses, desert hero won the king— king and queen's horses, desert hero won the king george. the ttttn— hero won the king george. the ttttn etttee— hero won the king george. the fifth stakes in— hero won the king george. the fifth stakes in a— hero won the king george. the fifth stakes in a photo finish . fifth stakes in a photo finish. cntttee— fifth stakes in a photo finish. cntttee ent— fifth stakes in a photo finish. charles and camilla looking eeetttte— charles and camilla looking eeetttte te— charles and camilla looking ecstatic as they— charles and camilla looking ecstatic as they watched their 18 ecstatic as they watched their te te — ecstatic as they watched their te te t— ecstatic as they watched their 18 to 1 thoroughbred claim vtetenv— 18 to 1 thoroughbred claim vtetenv .— 18 to 1 thoroughbred claim victory . you're— 18 to 1 thoroughbred claim victory . you're up to date on tv victory. you're up to date on tv , enttne— victory. you're up to date on tv ,o..i..e, sett— victory. you're up to date on tv , online, dab+ radio and the tenetn— , online, dab+ radio and the tnnetn enn.— , online, dab+ radio and the tunein app. this— , online, dab+ radio and the tunein app. this is. gb news. | tte— tunein app. this is. gb news. l tte tte— tunein app. this is. gb news. - it's the agonising- tunein app. this is. gb news. - it's the agonising news.| tunein app. this is. gb news.- - it's the agonising news. the tunein app. this is. gb news.- - it's the hadiising news. the tunein app. this is. gb news.- - it's the had been news. the tunein app. this is. gb news.- - it's the had been dreadinge tunein app. this is. gb news.- - it's the had been dreading . whole world had been dreading. tonight, the titan five have sadly been lost after debris was found, including the ocean gate subs landing frame and rear cover details of the devastating discovery were revealed in the last hour from boston by the first coastguard district commander, rear admiral john mauger this morning, an rov or

remote operated vehicle from the vessel horizon arctic discovered the tailcone of the titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet submersible. approximately 1600 teettten— submersible. approximately 1600 teet tten tne— submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the bow— submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the bow of— approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic on feet from the bow of the titanic en tne— feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor— feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor ._ feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor . the rov on the seafloor. the rov subsequently— on the seafloor. the rov subsequently found additional tenn— subsequently found additional testn tn— subsequently found additional debris in consultation with extents— debris in consultation with events tten — debris in consultation with experts from within the unified eennent tne— experts from within the unified command. the debris is consistent— command. the debris is consistent with the catastrophic teen— consistent with the catastrophic teee et— consistent with the catastrophic teee et tne — consistent with the catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber unen— loss of the pressure chamber enen tnn— loss of the pressure chamber upon this determination, we tnnettttetv— upon this determination, we immediately notified the ttntttee— immediately notified the families on— immediately notified the families on behalf of the united states— families on behalf of the united states coastguard— families on behalf of the united states coastguard and the entire the states coastguard and the entire tne entttet— states coastguard and the entire the unified command . i offer my the unified command. i offer my teeneet— the unified command. i offer my deepest condolences to the ttnttv— deepest condolences to the ttnttv .— deepest condolences to the ttnttv . nn— deepest condolences to the family. his that was not deepest condolences to the family . his that was not what we family. his that was not what we ventet—

family. his that was not what we vvtntet te— family. his that was not what we wanted to hear— family. his that was not what we wanted to hear all— family. his that was not what we wanted to hear all week we've seen— wanted to hear all week we've teen netttnt— wanted to hear all week we've been holding our— wanted to hear all week we've been holding our collective tneetn— been holding our collective snettn ent— been holding our collective breath and hoping for an entttetv— breath and hoping for an unlikely miracle, especially vttn— unlikely miracle, especially vvttn tne— unlikely miracle, especially with the news— unlikely miracle, especially with the news that sos signals ent— with the news that sos signals ent teet— with the news that sos signals and loud banging had been teteetet— and loud banging had been teteetet . — and loud banging had been detected . ad— and loud banging had been detected . ' “j “tit; and loud banging had been detected . ' “j ”t“t22; and loud banging had been- detected . ad but there have also detected. ad but there have also been concerns raised about whether the titan was really up to such a dramatic expedition, especially with this new video released today of a previous voyage suffering a communications failure . after communications failure. after 1000m. scott the pilot detected a 1000m. scott the pilot detected tttttene— 1000m. scott the pilot detected tttttete tn— 1000m. scott the pilot detected a failure in the— 0002“ scott the pilot detected a failure in the communication system — a failure in the communication system ,— a failure in the communication system , net— a failure in the communication system , not hearing the system, not hearing the transmission— system, not hearing the transmission on this. so we tent— transmission on this. so we heard nothing. _ transmission on this. so we heard nothing. yeah.- transmission on this. : “g yeah. what's heard nothing. yeah. what's vett— heard nothing. yeah. what's vvetnt n— heard nothing. yeah. what's vvetnt n tn— heard nothing. yeah. what's weird is i'm getting- : “g yeah. what's weird is i'm getting the pressures right . pressures right. i know i'm communicating with it. i it is vital that we be able to communicate with the surface. otherwise we can get lost and test— otherwise we can get lost and tntt tn— otherwise we can get lost and tntt tn tne— otherwise we can get lost and drift in the middle of the ocean . one— drift in the middle of the ocean . one test— drift in the middle of the ocean . one last shot— drift in the middle of the ocean . one last shot on _ drift in the middle of the ocean . one last shot on kongsberg us always goes away. okay . while always goes away. okay. while the weights are thrown , the weights are thrown, something happens. oh oh. they get points for having the comm

that there is something strange in the weeks ahead. there will be time in the weeks ahead. there will be ttne tet— in the weeks ahead. there will be ttne tet t— ’“ : there will be time for a post—mortem . on be time for a post—mortem. on vntt— be time for a post—mortem. on vntt cntet— be time for a post—mortem. on what chief executive stockton teen— what chief executive stockton teen nne— what chief executive stockton rush, who went— what chief executive stockton rush, who went down with his sub mav— rush, who went down with his sub ntv neve— rush, who went down with his sub ntv ntve tet— rush, who went down with his sub may have got wrong— rush, who went down with his sub may have got wrong , but to see may have got wrong, but to see the may have got wrong, but to see tne ntte— may have got wrong, but to see the hate filled _ may have got wrong, but to see the hate filled left— may have got wrong, but to see the hate filled left exploiting tnn— the hate filled left exploiting tnn ttttetv— the hate filled left exploiting this tragedy to _ the hate filled left exploiting this tragedy to try and stop tetete— this tragedy to try and stop future pioneering missions by net— future pioneering missions by rich explorers— future pioneering missions by rich explorers has been etetentnt— rich explorers has been sickening to— rich explorers has been sickening to me. like the left vtnt— sickening to me. like the left wing ttttttet— sickening to me. like the left wing agitator ash sarkar , the wing agitator ash sarkar, the enter— wing agitator ash sarkar, the enter net— wing agitator ash sarkar, the super rich can— wing agitator ash sarkar, the super rich can spend £250,000 on venttv— super rich can spend £250,000 on venttv tenet— super rich can spend £250,000 on vanity drones to _ super rich can spend £250,000 on vanity drones to point four nttee— vanity drones to point four miles beneath— vanity drones to point four miles beneath the ocean . ’“t2.“ miles beneath the ocean. then ttev-te— miles beneath the ocean. then ttev-te net— miles beneath the ocean. then they're not being— miles beneath the ocean. then they're not being taxed enough. how utterly repugnant . she was how utterly repugnant. she was joined by the labour— 2.02th 3 she was joined by the labour councillor, ttettv— joined by the labour councillor, ttettv nettev— joined by the labour councillor, ttettv nettev ,— joined by the labour councillor, freddy bailey , a— joined by the labour councillor, freddy bailey , a billionaire who freddy bailey, a billionaire who is freddy bailey, a billionaire who n nnetnt— freddy bailey, a billionaire who n nnetnt tt— freddy bailey, a billionaire who is missing at sea,— freddy bailey, a billionaire who is missing at sea, viewing the ttttnte— is missing at sea, viewing the ttttnte n— is missing at sea, viewing the titanic is front— is missing at sea, viewing the titanic is front page news. 1500 titanic is front page news. 300 ntettnte— titanic is front page news. 300 ntgtente tte— titanic is front page news. 300 migrants die in— titanic is front page news. 300 migrants die in a— titanic is front page news. 300 migrants die in a boat off the coast of greece and the british media talks about them like they aren't human. such attempts to

nettttetee— aren't human. such attempts to politicise this— aren't human. such attempts to politicise this tragedy- at?“ c it?“ such attempts to politicise this tragedy should not politicise this tragedy should net te — politicise this tragedy should not be dignified . it says not be dignified. it says eventntnt— not be dignified. it says everything about their side of nettttee— everything about their side of nettttee. se— everything about their side of politics. so tonight, my tnentnte— politics. so tonight, my thoughts are- politics. so tonight, my thoughts are with the families of thoughts are with the families et teen— thoughts are with the families et teen te— thoughts are with the families of rush as well— thoughts are with the families of rush as well as the london tttnttnt — of rush as well as the london pakistani shahzada dawood. he was pakistani shahzada dawood. he an.— pakistani shahzada dawood. he as. an— pakistani shahzada dawood. he was 48. his son— pakistani shahzada dawood. he was 48. his son sulaiman, just 19 was 48. his son sulaiman, just ts vetn— was 48. his son sulaiman, just ts vetn ett— was 48. his son sulaiman, just ts vetn at, t— was 48. his son sulaiman, just 19 years old, a student at strathclyde_ 19 years old, a student at strathclyde university in ettetevv— strathclyde university in glasgow, the _ strathclyde university in glasgow, the french navy commander,— glasgow, the french navy commander, paul henri nigel, who was commander, paul henri nigel, who nett— commander, paul henri nigel, who nttt et— commander, paul henri nigel, who nttt et tne— commander, paul henri nigel, who was part of the first— commander, paul henri nigel, who was part of the first human evnett— was part of the first human expedi mission— was part of the first human expedi mission to the titanic in tent. — expedi mission to the titanic in tent. ne— expedi mission to the titanic in tent. ae vee— expedi mission to the titanic in 1987. he was in— expedi mission to the titanic in 1987. he was in his 70s and of tne— 1987. he was in his 70s and of course the successful british tttttenttne— course the successful british billionaire hamish harding . and billionaire hamiin harding. and i billionaire hamish harding. and ttntnt— billionaire hamish harding. and ttntnt tte— billionaire hamish harding. and i think it's essential that the enve— i think it's essential that the brave private _ i think it's essential that the brave private explorers and tventten— brave private explorers and adventurers who spend their own tettenee— adventurers who spend their own tettenee te — adventurers who spend their own fortunes to conquer the globe ent— fortunes to conquer the globe ent tttve— fortunes to conquer the globe and drive forward humanity are not and drive forward humanity are net tenenne— and drive forward humanity are not demonise ised because of tnn— not demonise ised because of this terrible— not demonise ised because of this terrible tragedy . motty but this terrible tragedy. motty but to this terrible tragedy. motty but te teenent— this terrible tragedy. motty but to respond now— this terrible tragedy. motty but to respond now my superstar penet— to respond now my superstar ntnet tenne— to respond now my superstar panel former loose women star,

the broadcaster— panel former loose women star, the broadcaster and columnist tenet— the broadcaster and columnist carol mcgiffin,_ the broadcaster and columnist carol mcgiffin, the former conservative _ carol mcgiffin, the former conservative cabinet minister nettnt— conservative cabinet minister nettnt nn— conservative cabinet minister making his debut tonight. ranil ttvtvvtntene— making his debut tonight. ranil jayawardene inaya and the author and broadcaster— jayawardene inaya and the author and broadcaster ,_ jayawardene inaya and the author and broadcaster , mr amy nicholl and broadcaster, mr amy nicholl . str— and broadcaster, mr amy nicholl . stt tenttt— and broadcaster, mr amy nicholl . sir ronald, this— and broadcaster, mr amy nicholl . sir ronald, this was the news tntt— . sir ronald, this was the news tntt ve— . sir ronald, this was the news tntt ve vee— . sir ronald, this was the news that we were all— . sir ronald, this was the news that we were all dreading. of tt— that we were all dreading. of course, it was— that we were all dreading. of course, it was becoming ntntenttttv— course, it was becoming particularly inevitable . we knew particularly inevitable. we knew tntt— particularly inevitable. we knew tntt tne— particularly inevitable. we knew tntt tne evvten— particularly inevitable. we knew that the oxygen supply ran out at sene— that the oxygen supply ran out at netnt— that the oxygen supply ran out at some point between 9 am. and 11 at some point between 9 am. and tt tnn— at some point between 9 am. and 11 am. this morning.— at some point between 9 am. and 11 am. this morning. but from vntt— 11 am. this morning. but from vntt tte-te— 11 am. this morning. but from what we're hearing, it doesn't tetetttv— what we're hearing, it doesn't actually look— what we're hearing, it doesn't actually look like the titan ttve— actually look like the titan ttve net— actually look like the titan ttve net te— actually look like the titan five had to suffer, which is maybe— five had to suffer, which is maybe t— five had to suffer, which is maybe t very— five had to suffer, which is maybe a very good thing . / maybe a very good thing. yeah, i int.— maybe a very good thing. yeah, i ttnt. my— maybe a very good thing. yeah, i mean, first, my thoughts are with the families as well. and that's really what i'd- with the families as well. and that's really what i'd say- . and that's really what i'd say most neente-e— that's really what i'd say most neente-e ntnte— that's really what i'd say most people's minds right now, that tneee— people's minds right now, that tneee tne— people's minds right now, that these are people's fathers, ttetnen— these are people's fathers, brothers and _ these are people's fathers, brothers and so- these are people's fathers, brothers and so on. and it is , brothers and so on. and it is, of course, a tragedy. but the tntnt— of course, a tragedy. but the one thing that— of course, a tragedy. but the one thing that i— of course, a tragedy. but the one thing that i guess their ttntttee— one thing that i guess their families can— one thing that i guess their families can hold to on is they die families can hold to on is they tte tetnt— families can hold to on is they die doing what— families can hold to on is they die doing what they loved. yeah, tetnt— die doing what they loved. yeah, being adventurous— die doing what they loved. yeah, being adventurous is exploring. you being adventurous is exploring. ven tnevv— being adventurous is exploring.

ven tnevv ,— being adventurous is exploring. you know , literally new depths you know, literally new depths for you know, literally new depths tet tten— you know, literally new depths for them. and _ you know, literally new depths for them. and thankfully it tntt— for them. and thankfully it seems that they didn't suffer at the seems that they didn't suffer at tne tne.— seems that they didn't suffer at tne ttne. set— seems that they didn't suffer at the time. but i— seems that they didn't suffer at the time. but i agree with you . the time. but i agree with you. i the time. but i agree with you. tint— the time. but i agree with you. t test ten-t— the time. but i agree with you. i just don't know— the time. but i agree with you. i just don't know what possesses neente— i just don't know what possesses neente te— i just don't know what possesses some people to bring politics tnte— some people to bring politics tnte tnn— some people to bring politics into this tragic,— some people to bring politics into this tragic, tragic event . into this tragic, tragic event. tte— into this tragic, tragic event. we vvnettv— into this tragic, tragic event. it's wholly unnecessary . and it's wholly unnecessary. and tente— it's wholly unnecessary. and franklvt t— it's wholly unnecessary. and frankly, i think— it's wholly unnecessary. and frankly, i think some of these neente— frankly, i think some of these neente teet— frankly, i think some of these people just need— frankly, i think some of these people just need to look at themselves— people just need to look at themselves in— people just need to look at themselves in the mirror and go, vett— themselves in the mirror and go, wen, vntt— themselves in the mirror and go, wen, vntt n— themselves in the mirror and go, well, what is it— themselves in the mirror and go, well, what is it that makes me vent— well, what is it that makes me vent te— well, what is it that makes me want to politicise— well, what is it that makes me want to politicise something so tenen— want to politicise something so human, so personal? but do you teet— human, so personal? but do you even feel like— human, so personal? but do you even feel like that— human, so personal? but do you even feel like that about what the councillor,— even feel like that about what the councillor, the labour councillor— the councillor, the labour councillor ash councillor said? because ash sarkar thing i can sarkar is one thing i can completely that hot at completely park that hot take at the door. not on board with the door. i'm not on board with that at all. but it is the case that at all. but it is the case that we have got to the point where when 500 migrants are drowned the coast drowned off the off the coast of italy, do. do find it italy, we do. we do find it unremarkable now that the reason that sub the titan that the sub the titan expedition has got so much attention is because it is it's undeniably, amazingly remarkable. what's happened there. it's beyond imagination , there. it's beyond imagination, what they went through. well, i want couple of what they went through. well, i want-couple of things. want to say a couple of things tteet— want to say a couple of things tteet-ttnttv— want to say a couple of things about firstly we've to about this. firstly we've got to ettet— about this. firstly we've got to

ettet te — about this. firstly we've got to stick to facts— about this. firstly we've got to stick to facts and _ about this. firstly we've got to stick to facts and add 78 people neve— stick to facts and add 78 people ntve teen— stick to facts and add 78 people have been confirmed in that tentste— have been confirmed in that terrible loss— have been confirmed in that terrible loss of— have been confirmed in that terrible loss of life . but terrible loss of life. but tntt-e— terrible loss of life. but tntt-e net— terrible loss of life. but that's not off- terrible loss of life. but that's not off the coast of greece— that's not off the coast of greece .— that's not off the coast of greece . that's- that's not off the coast of greece . that's 78 people have greece. that's 78 people have seen— greece. that's 78 people have been confirmed— greece. that's 78 people have been confirmed dead. it's neeettte— been confirmed dead. it's possible that— been confirmed dead. it's possible that there were more, but possible that there were more, tet-te— possible that there were more, but-78 confirmed. but there are 78 confirmed tettee— but there are 78 confirmed bodies-said- but there are 78 confirmed- bodies.-said-people bodies. you just said 500 people ttet— bodies. you just said 500 people ttetltet-e— bodies. you just said 500 people died..let's keep— bodies. you just said 500 people died. let's keep everything died. so let's keep everything tnte—tntt- died. so let's keep everything tnte—tntt n- died. so let's keep everything into—that is a- into perspective that is a massive story— into perspective that is a massive story .- into perspective that is a massive story . it received a lot massive story. it received a lot of massive story. it received a lot et eevettet— massive story. it received a lot et eevenet .— massive story. it received a lot of coverage . but— massive story. it received a lot of coverage . but there is of coverage. but there is a fundamental— of coverage. but there is a fundamental difference. those teen— fundamental difference. those neen eten— fundamental difference. those poor souls had— fundamental difference. those poor souls had died. and of , tne— poor souls had died. and of course , the people who were course, the people who were tnnnet— course, the people who were tnnnet enten— course, the people who were trapped under sea in the second ttttnte— trapped under sea in the second ttttnte ttttetv— trapped under sea in the second ttttnte ttttetv ,— trapped under sea in the second titanic tragedy , there was the titanic tragedy, there was the netentttt— titanic tragedy, there was the potential that _ titanic tragedy, there was the potential that they were going to potential that they were going te te — potential that they were going te te teent— potential that they were going to be found. but— potential that they were going to be found. but carol mcgiffin, it to be found. but carol mcgiffin, tt teet— to be found. but carol mcgiffin, tt tent teen— to be found. but carol mcgiffin, it just feels really— to be found. but carol mcgiffin, it just feels really wrong for me— it just feels really wrong for me te— it just feels really wrong for me to even make this unnecessary eenntnnen— me to even make this unnecessary eenntnnen — me to even make this unnecessary comparison . well,— me to even make this unnecessary comparison . rec... comparison. well, that's what the left do , though, isn't it? i the left do, though, isn't it? i mean, they always start to attack people because they have more than them. i don't know. i mean, it's just it's unbelievable. and also to say that that story wasn't covered about the migrants, it was there have been multiple incidences of

it and it did not take up a huge story time and resources applied to the titan, which i completely agree on. a minute. hang on a minute. the migrants get as much attention an when something goes wrong as as this has no , they wrong as as this has no, they don't. okay. but this is this is on my way here. this is more of a story because it's more unusual. exactly. that's what i'm saying. but carol carol, ven-ve— i'm saying. but carol carol, ven-ve teet— i'm saying. but carol carol, you've just made- “g but carol carol, you've just made my point for se— you've just made my point for se tte— you've just made my point for se tt-e t— you've just made my point for me. so it's a first.— you've just made my point for me. so it's a first. it's a first. yeah,— me. so it's a first. it's a first. yeah, i— me. so it's a first. c �*" yeah, i know. and every first. yeah, i know. and every etntte— first. yeah, i know. and every etntte nttttnt— �*" yeah, i know. and every single migrant tragedy should be ttettet— single migrant tragedy should be treated dishonest— single migrant tragedy should be treated dishonest to suggest tntt— treated dishonest to suggest tntt tettne— treated dishonest to suggest that deaths in— treated dishonest to suggest that deaths in the channel, teeteee— that deaths in the channel, because that's— that deaths in the channel, because that's what actually tttttnt— because that's what actually we're talking about. come unremarkable, do not become big news because they do. they really do. but also ranald the really do. but also ranald the really thing that the point that really thing that the point that really shocked me as well with anas sarwar is the suggestion that we should not want our billionaires to innovate and to spend their own money. and surely if there's one thing that we've learned over the past few years, it's that the government

actually doesn't spend our money response forcibly. and it's absolutely imperative that our explorers , that our adventurers explorers, that our adventurers are allowed to continue these groundbreaking expeditions . groundbreaking expeditions. well, that wasn't my question. i mean , look, you know, the i mean, look, you know, the tntnt— i mean, look, you know, the tntnt te— i mean, look, you know, the tntnt n, tt— i mean, look, you know, the thing is, if people have made tnett— thing is, if people have made tnett nenev— thing is, if people have made their money lawfully, of course tnev— their money lawfully, of course tnev eneett— their money lawfully, of course they should be— their money lawfully, of course they should be -to - their money lawfully, of course they should be to spend the they should be able to spend the nenev— they should be able to spend the nenev-tnev— they should be able to spend the money-they wish. - they should be able to spend the money they wish. whether money how they wish. whether tntt-e—eet | money how they wish. whetheri tntt-e—eet en that's exploring the deep sea or jumping— that's exploring the deep sea or tnnntnt-nttne- jumping out of a plane or vntteven— jumping out of a plane or whatever else— jumping out of a plane or whatever else is they want to whatever else it is they want to go whatever else it is they want to te-entee— whatever else it is they want to te-entee ent— whatever else it is they want to te-entee ent tt— whatever else it is they want to go-space and if we- whatever else it is they want to go space and if we look at go into space and if we look at new— go into space and if we look at how innovation— go into space and if we look at how innovation has occurred in all-histowt- how innovation has occurred in all-history, it's- how innovation has occurred in all history, it's about all of human history, it's about neente— all of human history, it's about neente-tne— all of human history, it's about people the bounds people pushing the bounds and evenvene—tntti people pushing the bounds and evenvene—tntt -l people pushing the bounds and. everyone _that . you everyone benefits from that. you knew,— everyone benefits from that. you tnevlentv— everyone benefits from that. you know,-only reason - everyone benefits from that. you know, only reason we have a know, the only reason we have a microwave . because - know, the only reason we have a microwave because space space microwave is because space space evntenttten— microwave is because space space evntenttten-t— microwave is because space space evntenttten-t-tn- microwave is because space space exploration - a - in the - exploration was a thing in the ttnt— exploration was a thing in the ttnt nttee. — exploration was a thing in the first place. exactly. we should encourage. -surely- first place. exactly. we should encourage. "t5.2;.«t first place. exactly. we should. encourage. -surely you think encourage. and surely you think billionaires you said being billionaires you said i'm being spending money on great spending great money on great projects, whereas our government very often fritters away our cash like over the covid period . ithink cash like over the covid period . i think you said a very tangents— i think you said a very dangerous precedent when you say that billionaires— dangerous precedent when you say that billionaires who make eenntetetv— that billionaires who make completely their own choices and tnetn— completely their own choices and tnett evn— completely their own choices and their own priorities— completely their own choices and their own priorities can nnentne— their own priorities can prioritise better than governments , i think that's governments, i think that's a tnetv— governments, i think that's a tnetv nett— governments, i think that's a tricky road you're taking there.

vett— tricky road you're taking there. vvett. teet— tricky road you're taking there. vvett. teet et— tricky road you're taking there. well, look at electric- tricky road you're taking there. well, look at electric cars, for example. i mean, tesla, this is nenev— example. i mean, tesla, this is nenev tntt— example. i mean, tesla, this is nenev tntt tnev— example. i mean, tesla, this is money that they have- t2;;e

where you are unimaginable knowing air is running knowing that the air is running eet.— knowing that the air is running out-vou— knowing that the air is running eetlvee tnevv— knowing that the air is running out. you know, they made the out. so you know, they made the enene— out. so you know, they made the enetee—tnev— choice to do that. they must neve— choice to do that. they must ntve tnevvn— choice to do that. they must have known dangers . have known the dangers. the senten— have known the dangers. the seenet tet— have known the dangers. the depher had mentions of death. the first four pages, but so does it. before you go into get a does it. before you go into get a teettne— does it. before you go into get a routine operation.— : . before you go into get a routine operation. you know, atte— a routine operation. you know, ttte n— a routine operation. you know, ttte n tutt— a routine operation. you know, life is full of— a routine operation. you know, life is full of risks. and all t-n — life is full of risks. and all t-n etvtnt— life is full of risks. and all t-n etvtng n— life is full of risks. and all i'm saying is that it's very tntetstnt— i'm saying is that it's very disturbing to— i'm saying is that it's very disturbing to me to see the left try disturbing to me to see the left tnv ent— disturbing to me to see the left ttv ent eee— disturbing to me to see the left try and use this— disturbing to me to see the left try and use this this terrible tntetv— try and use this this terrible ttttetv te— try and use this this terrible ttttetv en en— try and use this this terrible tragedy as an example of let's not tragedy as an example of let's net tnnevete— tragedy as an example of let's not innovate ._ tragedy as an example of let's not innovate . let's not not innovate. let's not encourage our billionaires teeenve— encourage our billionaires teeenve te— encourage our billionaires deserve to die— encourage our billionaires deserve to die because they've got deserve to die because they've tet teete— deserve to die because they've tet tette et— deserve to die because they've got loads of money. that's all nett— got loads of money. that's all ttett .— got loads of money. that's all right . leave them alone. they're right. leave them alone. they're not poor enough for us. they just they just g “ ..5 they just they just disgusting. g “ .5 they just they just disgusting. they etnntv— just they just disgusting. they etnntv etnenve— just they just disgusting. they simply observe that the amount of simply observe that the amount et enentv— simply observe that the amount of energy dedicated to this testes,— of energy dedicated to this tragedy, which— of energy dedicated to this tragedy, which has been fascinating— tragedy, which has been fascinating and disturbing in eteet— fascinating and disturbing in equal measure— fascinating and disturbing in equal measure ,_ fascinating and disturbing in equal measure , every single equal measure, every single nttttnt— equal measure, every single ntgttnt sett— equal measure, every single migrant boat tragedy should have the migrant boat tragedy should have tne eene— migrant boat tragedy should have the same attention. i mean, cal tent— the same attention. i mean, cal ranil jayawardena _ the same attention. i mean, cal ranil jayawardena , carol ranil jayawardena, carol ttetttttn— ranil jayawardena, carol ttetttttn nv— ranil jayawardena, carol mcgiffin, my superstar panel. ant— mcgiffin, my superstar panel. ant ttev— mcgiffin, my superstar panel. ant ttev ete— mcgiffin, my superstar panel. and they are with— mcgiffin, my superstar panel. and they are with me- mcgiffin, my superstar panel. and they are with me all- mcgiffin, my superstar panel. and they are with me all night. but coming up, as jk rowling and the aforementioned elon musk join forces to combat the term cisgender by branding it a slur, former tory minister ann widdecombe dares the trans lobby

to call her cis. i wouldn't want to call her cis. i wouldn't want to take on winnie, that's for sure. see what she has to say later. but up next in the clash, the former head of britain's equality sir trevor equality commission, sir trevor phillips, sussexes have phillips, says the sussexes have squandered a golden opportunity phillips, says the sussexes have sq showcasea golden opportunity phillips, says the sussexes have sq showcase the lden opportunity phillips, says the sussexes have sq showcase the uk's opportunity to showcase the uk's inclusivity. so is he right that no one cared about meghan's race before she made it an issue? top political and social commentators joanna jarjue , commentators joanna jarjue, samantha smith and chris rose do battle in mere moments. but what do you think? dan nick gibb dot voted our poll at gb news. the results and the clash after the

it's happening here. wake up two netntnte— it's happening here. wake up two netntnte en— it's happening here. wake up two netntnte en es— it's happening here. wake up two mornings on gb news. - e “ “g it“t2.2; wake up two mornings on gb news. the teeete-e— mornings on gb news. “ britain's news people's channel. britain's news . cntnnet— people's channel. britain's news . cntnnet ent— “ britain's news . channel and widdecombe and tttv— . channel and widdecombe and tetv cettn— . channel and widdecombe and lady colin campbell coming up. but lady colin campbell coming up. set tte— lady colin campbell coming up. set tte tnne— lady colin campbell coming up. but it's time now— lady colin campbell coming up. but it's time now for— lady colin campbell coming up. but it's time now for the- lady colin campbell coming up. but it's time now for the clash and speaking 75 years on, since the first of the windrush generation arrived in the uk, sir trevor phillips has hailed britain as the most welcoming country in europe. regardless s of what harry and meghan might say in a sting, an of what harry and meghan might say in a sting , an attack on the say in a sting, an attack on the sussexes the respected writer and politician, former head of the equalities commission, told the equalities commission, told the daily mail today. they completely squandered a golden opportunity to show everyone what this country is really like in matters of race. a country where no one disturbs themselves about a marriage across the lines of race and ethnicity . lines of race and ethnicity. motty they constructed this completely ridiculous and unpleasant story about how

maltreated they were , which, maltreated they were, which, frankly, no one believes no one cared about. meghan's race. they could have made things different for millions of people, and they chose not to. that's unforgivable in my book. that's a sin. so do you agree with sir trevor? is he right that nobody in britain actually cared about meghan's race despite what she has to say? email me, dan at gb news .uk. vote in our poll at gb news .uk. vote in our poll at gb news on twitter. but to help you make up your mind, i'm joined by three top political and social commentators. joanna jarjue. chris rose and samantha smith. so samantha, let me start with you on this . he's right, isn't you on this. he's right, isn't he? he's completely and utterly correct. i he? he's completely and utterly correct . i couldn't agree more. correct. i couldn't agree more. tneven— correct. i couldn't agree more. trevor phillips— correct. i couldn't agree more. trevor phillips is— ii i couldn't agree more. trevor phillips is just echoing vvntt— trevor phillips is just echoing vntt evenvene— trevor phillips is just echoing what everyone else in the tenenet— what everyone else in the general public— what everyone else in the general public has been saying for general public has been saying ten veen- — general public has been saying for years. people— general public has been saying for years. “ e for years. people didn't have a problem with meghan markle because of the colour of her skin. it was entirely due to the fact that she showed utter

contempt towards our culture, our customs and british our customs and the british pubuc our customs and the british public . no one, quite public in general. no one, quite frankly, cared about the fact that meghan markle mixed that meghan markle was mixed race. she was race. if anything, she was welcomed by the general public race. if anything, she was welconthe 3y the general public race. if anything, she was welconthe royal general public race. if anything, she was welconthe royal family. public race. if anything, she was welconthe royal family. aublic race. if anything, she was welconthe royal family. a key: and by the royal family. a key example of this was the fact that prince charles was willing to walk her the aisle, was to walk her down the aisle, was ready and suggested offered ready and suggested and offered to down the aisle after to walk her down the aisle after she with father, he she fell out with her father, he said, to walk you down said, i want to walk you down the want to welcome you the aisle. i want to welcome you into our family properly. i don't want to be by yourself don't want you to be by yourself on day. this, in my on your wedding day. this, in my opinion, a shining of opinion, is a shining example of the royal family's tolerance and willingness welcome meghan willingness to welcome meghan markle the fold it markle into the fold when it comes public. comes to the british public. i would say as the daughter of a first generation, an afro—hispanic immigrant, i she has never shared anything other than positive sentiments towards the uk and our tolerance and our inclusivity and our equity . for inclusivity and our equity. for meghan markle , she outstayed her meghan markle, she outstayed her welcome because she was frankly completely exploitative and manipulative of the british public. manipulative of the british pubuc.she manipulative of the british public. she used the race issue to garner support when she

thought that she wanted to make her break back to the us and start her superstardom as an a—list celebrity. and yet, even over the pond , they are over the pond, they are beginning to grow weary of her constant. that's true. that's very true. i mean,- i that's very true. i mean, joanna ten-ne— very true. i mean, joanna jarjuet t— very true. i mean, joanna jarjuev t neve— very true. i mean, joanna jarjue, i have to say, i loved vnet— jarjue, i have to say, i loved vntt tneven— jarjue, i have to say, i loved what trevor phillips said on tnn— what trevor phillips said on this, because— what trevor phillips said on this, because as— what trevor phillips said on this, because as it's what i've seen— this, because as it's what i've teen etvtnt— this, because as it's what i've teen etvtng ten— this, because as it's what i've been saying for the past many veen— been saying for the past many veene tntt— been saying for the past many veene tntt tav— been saying for the past many years that day, joanna, when tenn— years that day, joanna, when ntnnv ent— years that day, joanna, when harry and meghan got married , i harry and meghan got married, i t— harry and meghan got married, i t tnne— harry and meghan got married, i was, i think, the— harry and meghan got married, i was, i think, the most exciting, neetttve— was, i think, the most exciting, neetttve tav— was, i think, the most exciting, positive day for— was, i think, the most exciting, positive day for this country etnee— positive day for this country tne — positive day for this country since the london 2012 olympics. we since the london 2012 olympics. vve eetetntte— since the london 2012 olympics. we celebrate this— since the london 2012 olympics. we celebrate this marriage. we eetetttv— we celebrate this marriage. we actually loved— we celebrate this marriage. we actually loved the fact that ttetntn — actually loved the fact that ttetntn vee— actually loved the fact that meghan was mixed race and tneetnt— meghan was mixed race and tnengnt tntt— meghan was mixed race and thought that she was going to enene— thought that she was going to state en— thought that she was going to state en tne— thought that she was going to shake up the royal family we vntt— shake up the royal family we vntt ve— shake up the royal family we what we hated— shake up the royal family we what we hated was the way that she what we hated was the way that ene tetet — what we hated was the way that she acted afterwards . as do you she acted afterwards. as do you eenee— she acted afterwards. as do you eenee vttn— she acted afterwards. as do you agree vvttn etn— she acted afterwards. as do you agree with sir trevor phillips? enn — agree with sir trevor phillips? um absolutely— agree with sir trevor phillips? um absolutely not. so i'm not going— um absolutely not. so i'm not going te— um absolutely not. so i'm not going to sit here and pretend as if the, you know, the wedding day of meghan and harry wasn't a joyous day for the entire country. it was. and everybody did celebrate. but at the same

time, be right at time, two things can be right at the time. another thing the same time. and another thing that can be right is the fact that can be right is the fact that there were attacks on meghan she got meghan before she even got married as well as there was married, as well as there was also joy in celebration. people were meghan seed was were saying that meghan seed was going to taint the royal family be compton to be straight out of compton to the point where harry had to actually statement out to actually put a statement out to begin we need to begin with to say we need to stop these attacks that are racially aggravated . what was an racially aggravated. what was an attack tteete— racially aggravated. what was an attack about? a— racially aggravated. what was an attack about? a headline- attack about? a headline referencing _ attack about? a headline referencing straight of referencing straight out of cennten— referencing straight out of cennten .— referencing straight out of compton . and— referencing straight out of compton . and it was about the compton. and it was about the area in california— compton. and it was about the area in california when she grow up -— area in california when she grow up . nev— area in california when she grow up . new vee— area in california when she grow up . how was that— area in california when she grow up . how was that racist? your up. how was that racist? your tnne— up. how was that racist? your tnne tetnt— up. how was that racist? your tnne tetnt tt— up. how was that racist? your grass being at straws, joanna ttne— grass being at straws, joanna ttne .— grass being at straws, joanna ttne . ant— grass being at straws, joanna ttne . ant nne— grass being at straws, joanna fine . and me. a— grass being at straws, joanna fine . and me. a better example fine. and me. a better example tntn— fine. and me. a better example tntn tnet— fine. and me. a better example tntn tntt . — fine. and me. a better example than that . well,— fine. and me. a better example than that . �*vvt�*t2;.. fine. and me. a better example than that . �*fvt2... “ fine. and me. a better example than that . �*vvt�*t2;.. “ ?ti. than that. well, even the fact when archie was born, the person who actually tweeted a picture of a monkey, a chimpanzee, have they done that to any other royal family members , baby? no. royal family members, baby? no. is there any racial connotation to do with monkeys and black people? yes. so to pretend as if nobody cared about meghan markle's race is completely disingenuous, dan, and you know

it . and even if there were it. and even if there were celebrations to begin with about meghan and harry's union five, fine. but there were also people. just about people. it's not just about whether looks whether meghan markle looks visibly not. it's about visibly black or not. it's about what she represents . it's about what she represents. it's about the change. it's about the question is of somebody coming thatis question is of somebody coming that is an ethnic minority. i think you're speaking rubbish. i don't anyone on had a i don't think anyone on had a nnetten— i don't think anyone on had a nnetten vttn— i don't think anyone on had a problem with meghan markle teeteee— problem with meghan marklei because—honestly because of her race. i honestly ten-t— because of her race. i honestly ten-t . — because of her race. i honestly ten-t. tte— because of her race. i honestly don't . the racially- because of her race. i honestly don't. ?ti. 33: don't. the racially aggravated comments were facts . and also, comments were facts. and also, let's just say that there different types of racism. there's obviously overt and covert racism and some of the double standards in the way that meghan has been reported for doing exactly the same thing as kate. those double standards and also the unconscious bias plays into it. and how much into a part of it. and how much can somebody take? it's very can somebody take? and it's very rich know, somebody rich for, you know, somebody unconscious bias. so you're going unconscious bias. so you're tent-anny- unconscious bias. so you're going-harry pathl unconscious bias. so you're- going-harry path now. going down the harry path now. so going down the harry path now. se neente— going down the harry path now. se neente tttn-t— going down the harry path now. so people didn't know they were sent— so people didn't know they were tetnt nest.— so people didn't know they were being racist. okay— so people didn't know they were being racist. okay chris rose, let being racist. okay chris rose, tet ne— being racist. okay chris rose, tet ne tnne— being racist. okay chris rose, let me bring you— being racist. okay chris rose, let me bring you in on this. teet— let me bring you in on this. just different.— let me bring you in on this. just different. we'll get just different. okay. we'll get cnnn— just different. okay. we'll get chris-respond.- just different. okay. we'll get chris respond. chris, chris rose to respond. chris, teet— chris rose to respond. chris, tnett te— chris rose to respond. chris, gnett te-vee- chris rose to respond. chris, great to -you on- chris rose to respond. chris, great to you on the show. great to have you on the show. by great to have you on the show. sv tne— great to have you on the show. by the-becoming- great to have you on the show. by the becoming a prominent by the way, becoming a prominent

eeneenvettve— conservative commentator on eeettt—tt-e- conservative commentator on social it's brilliant social media. so it's brilliant to social media. so it's brilliant te-ntttnt- social media. so it's brilliant. to-making-debut social media. so it's brilliant- to-making-debut. to have you making your debut. wne— to have you making your debut. the te— to have you making your debut. the te vee— to have you making your debut. who do you agree— to have you making your debut. who do you agree with, chris, tetnnt—ttneei who do you agree with, chris,- joanna_agree with joanna or samantha? i agree with sentntnt. — joanna or samantha? i agree with sentntnt. t— joanna or samantha? i agree with samantha. i mean,— joanna or samantha? i agree with samantha. i mean, i— joanna or samantha? i agree with samantha. “ samantha. i mean, i remember the day of the wedding and it was absolutely buzzing. there was loads of royal styles celebrating from all different races. and you know, even when meg was adopting into a new role as a royal, we had the other because we know that it's not easy to do. but you know, over time criticism towards the was easily dismissed as oh it must be because she's black or it must be because she's a woman as well. and you know, people like piers morgan and jeremy clarkson have made quite fair criticisms of her. and sometimes people are instantly just dismiss it, saying it's because of her race. but it's not. it's because of her persona. and, you know, i used to be a big fan of meghan, but honestly, over time i realised that a persona is not likeable. that's realised that a persona is not likeable . that's a really likeable. that's a really interesting— likeable. that's a really interesting point,- . that's a really interesting point, actually.

cnnn— interesting point, actually. cnnn ent— interesting point, actually. cnnn ent t— interesting point, actually. chris and i want to go back to teens— chris and i want to go back to joanna on that— chris and i want to go back to joanna on that because don't you net— joanna on that because don't you nnt t— joanna on that because don't you risk a situation?— joanna on that because don't you risk a situation? joanna where ven-ne— risk a situation? joanna where you're essentially— risk a situation? joanna where you're essentially saying that you— you're essentially saying that ven een-t— you're essentially saying that you can't criticise minority evenne— you can't criticise minority eveene tt— you can't criticise minority eveene tt att— you can't criticise minority groups at all in- you can't criticise minority groups at all in this case because— groups at all in this case because you're- groups at all in this case because you're immediately going to because you're immediately going te se— because you're immediately going te te eeeet— because you're immediately going to be accused of— because you're immediately going to be accused of homophobia or ntennn— to be accused of homophobia or ant— to be accused of homophobia or ant t— to be accused of homophobia or racism? and i also— to be accused of homophobia or racism? and i also agree with enn,— racism? and i also agree with ennn, tnt— racism? and i also agree with ennn, tnt vee— racism? and i also agree with chris, and you can go back and teet— chris, and you can go back and teet tt— chris, and you can go back and teet tt nv— chris, and you can go back and look at my columns because neente— look at my columns because neente ttte— look at my columns because neente ttte te— look at my columns because people like to say that i've seen— people like to say that i've teen t— people like to say that i've teen t tent— people like to say that i've been a long time critic of ttetntn— been a long time critic of meghan actually . i was meghan actually. i was incredibly— meghan actually. i was incredibly supportive of her vnen— incredibly supportive of her vvnen ene— incredibly supportive of her when she entered the royal ttnttv.— when she entered the royal family. incredibly supportive . family. incredibly supportive. it family. incredibly supportive. ttvvte— family. incredibly supportive. tt entv— family. incredibly supportive. it was only once— family. incredibly supportive. it was only once i started to get— it was only once i started to get tett— it was only once i started to get told about— it was only once i started to get told about all of her tenntste— get told about all of her terrible behaviour behind the scenes where— terrible behaviour behind the scenes where i— terrible behaviour behind the scenes where i reported the ttete— scenes where i reported the ttete teeet— scenes where i reported the facts about what was going on. net.— facts about what was going on. vvett. t— facts about what was going on. vvett. t tet— facts about what was going on. vvett. t tet et— facts about what was going on. well, a lot of the— facts about what was going on. well, a lot of the things- facts about what was going on. well, a lot of the things that you reported and a lot of the things that other people reported have actually been, you know, it's been disputed by a lot people, things like lot of people, things like tiara, made who cry. you tiara, who made who cry. you know, there's a lot of things just because you reported something mean something down, does it mean that? believe it and that? i have to believe it and anybody believe it? anybody else has to believe it? and chris, you should and actually, chris, you should

be very careful about questioning joanna, questioning my sources. joanna, let chris, you let me finish and chris, you liked to believe to begin liked meghan to believe to begin with, but have you considered that of the that maybe some of the publications read, some publications that you read, some of that you of the things that you read about this woman, could have about this woman, you could have well influence by this you well been influence by this you don't chris. you don't know? said chris. you can't don't know? said chris. you cant you don't know? said chris. you can't you can't don't know? said chris. you. can't-you can't-make can't even you can't even make up can't even you can't even make up-ow“_ can't even you can't even make en-evn-ennn- can't even you can't even make en-evn-ennn tetl up your own mind. chris, let enn— up your own mind. chris, let chris respond— up your own mind. chris, let chris respond to— up your own mind. chris, let chris respond to that. chris, vet-e— chris respond to that. chris, vet-ne tee— chris respond to that. chris, you're too silly— chris respond to that. chris, you're too silly to even make up veen— you're too silly to even make up veen-ntnt.— you're too silly to even make up your-mind.-been- your own mind. you've been tnttnvtenet— your own mind. you've been brainwashed-he. your own mind. you've been brainwashed he is. brainwashed by chris. he is. tte— brainwashed by chris. he is. tte eeeettte— brainwashed by chris. he is. it's possible that— brainwashed by chris. he is. it's possible that ,_ brainwashed by chris. he is. it's possible that , you- brainwashed by chris. he is. it's possible that, you know, people an ethnic minority people from an ethnic minority background have a terrible background can have a terrible personality others to personality and others to dislike them. i mean, i didn't want to dislike meghan. i really liked her at first. i wanted her me to go into the royal family and adopt into a royal and adopt into a new royal world. unfortunately , some world. but unfortunately, some of she said, like she of the things she said, like she said, well, someone made a passing comment about the skin , passing comment about the skin, the baby's skin and she didn't say which royal family member would said it. so she's left that open as interpretation that anybody in the royal family that the hunt for the royal race is she set that off for two years,

didn't she, samantha smith, final word from you? well, all i can say is final word from you? well, all i etv n tntt— final word from you? well, all i can say is that those— final word from you? well, all i can say is that those on- �*" : 7 well, all i can say is that those on the tett— can say is that those on the tett ten-t— can say is that those on the left don't seem— can say is that those on the left don't seem too happy with ttetntn— left don't seem too happy with meghan markle— left don't seem too happy with meghan markle either. it isn't teet— meghan markle either. it isn't tnet neente— meghan markle either. it isn't tnet neente en— meghan markle either. it isn't just people on the right isn't teet— just people on the right isn't just—stations,- just people on the right isn't just—stations, ouri just our public stations, our news outlets that are criticising.- news outlets that are criticising. meghan markle, a sttet— criticising. meghan markle, a sttet ttvee— criticising. meghan markle, a black lives matter activist. criticising. meghan markle, a black aytonviatter activist. criticising. meghan markle, a black ayton herself ctivist. criticising. meghan markle, a black ayton herself said;t. criticising. meghan markle, a black ayton herself said that imarn ayton herself said that ene— imarn ayton herself said that ene teet— imarn ayton herself said that she used the— imarn ayton herself said that she used the racism card, that ene— she used the racism card, that ene teet— she used the racism card, that she used black— she used the racism card, that she used black people and that she used black people and that ene teet— she used black people and that ene eeet tne— she used black people and that she used the race— she used black people and that she used the race issue when she neetet— she used the race issue when she neetet eenene— she used the race issue when she needed support, and then she tennet— needed support, and then she tnnnet tne— needed support, and then she dumped the race— needed support, and then she dumped the race issue once she vteltenten— dumped the race issue once she was-longer finding- dumped the race issue once she was longer finding it was no longer finding it netevtnt,— was no longer finding it relevant,.isn't- was no longer finding it relevant, isn't just us. it relevant, it isn't just us. it ten-t— relevant, it isn't just us. it nn-t teet— relevant, it isn't just us. it isn't just the— relevant, it isn't just us. it isn't just the right wing tttete. — isn't just the right wing tttete. tt— isn't just the right wing bigots. it isn't just the ntenn— bigots. it isn't just the racists and— bigots. it isn't just the racists and the extremists that are-criticisms- racists and the extremists that are criticisms with are finding criticisms with with ttetntn— are finding criticisms with with ttetntn-ten— are finding criticisms with with meghan-for her- are finding criticisms with with meghan for her constant meghan markle, for her constant vtettnneet— meghan markle, for her constant victimhood and— meghan markle, for her constant victimhood and her constant ntentnenv— victimhood and her constant hierarchy about— victimhood and her constant hierarchy about the criticism ttttnet— hierarchy about the criticism ttttnet neente— hierarchy about the criticism against people are people are tettv— against people are people are fully entitled— against people are people are fully entitled to— against people are people are fully entitled to criticise ttetntn — fully entitled to criticise meghan markle i'm not saying tntt— meghan markle i'm not saying tntt tn— meghan markle i'm not saying that i'm talking— meghan markle i'm not saying that i'm talking about the witch tent— that i'm talking about the witch nent tnt— that i'm talking about the witch nent tnt tne— that i'm talking about the witch hunt and the lies— that i'm talking about the witch hunt and the lies when it goes too hunt and the lies when it goes tee ntn— hunt and the lies when it goes tee ttn tnt— hunt and the lies when it goes too far and when— hunt and the lies when it goes too far and when there's racial connotations— too far and when there's racial connotations to— too far and when there's racial connotations to the criticism, tntt-e— connotations to the criticism, tntt-e vvnen — connotations to the criticism, tntt-e vvnen t— connotations to the criticism, that's when i have a problem vttn— that's when i have a problem vvttn tt— that's when i have a problem with it. criticise_ that's when i have a problem with it. criticise meghan. entttene— with it. criticise meghan. criticise me,— with it. criticise meghan. criticise me, criticise any sttet— criticise me, criticise any black person _ criticise me, criticise any black person as long as it's tttn— black person as long as it's tttn tnt— black person as long as it's tttn tnt te— black person as long as it's fair and as long— black person as long as it's fair and as long as it's balanced,— fair and as long as it's balanced, the- fair and as long as it's balanced, the way that you

entttene — balanced, the way that you criticise people _ balanced, the way that you criticise people is. meghan tttntte— criticise people is. meghan markle meghan markle markle has ms meghan markle tenet.— markle has ms meghan markle herself. -else - markle has ms meghan markle herself. else cared about herself. no one else cared about ntee—tntt- herself. no one else cared about race _that you're i race to the extent that you're sayingt — race to the extent that you're sayingt -ene— race to the extent that you're saying, she herself said saying, until she herself said tntt— saying, until she herself said tntt evenvene— saying, until she herself said that everyone did. yes, there tne-tent— that everyone did. yes, there tne-tetntlse- are always going to be racist comments._been| comments. there have been comments-racial- comments. there have been comments racial undertones. comments with racial undertones. tntt-e— comments with racial undertones. tntt-e enene— comments with racial undertones. that's where the _ comments with racial undertones. that's where the line must be ten — that's where the line must be ten teente— that's where the line must be drawn. people will always be ntent. — drawn. people will always be racist. joanna,— drawn. people will always be racist. joanna, i— drawn. people will always be racist. t: drawn. people will always be racist. “ t: drawn. people will always be racist. “ racist. joanna, i told you to give me an example. you've given me of compton me the straight out of compton headline. telling you, headline. i'm telling you, that ain't . tainting the royal ain't racist. tainting the royal ttnttv— ain't racist. tainting the royal ttnttv teeet— ain't racist. tainting the royal family about her— “ . ?ti. tainting the royal family about her seed, tainting the family about her seed, tainting tne tevtt— family about her seed, tainting the royal family. _ family about her seed, tainting the royal family. and as i said, you— the royal family. and as i said, ven ten-t— the royal family. and as i said, ven ten-t ntve— the royal family. and as i said, you don't have to— the royal family. and as i said, you don't have to be called the t—vent—etvl n—word specifically to say, okavt— n—word specifically to say, okavt tnn— n—word specifically to say, okayt tnn n— n—word specifically to say, okay, this is racism. there are etnen— okay, this is racism. there are etnen tenne— okay, this is racism. there are other forms of— okay, this is racism. there are other forms of racism. /t2t. okay, this is racism. there are other forms of racism. a/t2t. i“ other forms of racism. you can vvtnt— other forms of racism. you can wantlsee_ other forms of racism. you can want see racism and want to see racism and everything. that's fine. that's fine. your choice. joanna fine. that's your choice. joanna jarjue, samantha smith. chris rose great to have you on the show. chris thank you all so much. we'll see soon. much. we'll see you soon. but who you agree on this is who do you agree with on this is sir trevor philips, right? that no meghan's race no one cared about meghan's race from when i first saw from stockport when i first saw meghan's pictures the paper, meghan's pictures in the paper, i nofice meghan's pictures in the paper, i notice her race. i didn't even notice her race. i grew dislike due to her grew to dislike her due to her obnoxious behaviour. wimbledon grew to dislike her due to her obnox her behaviour. wimbledon grew to dislike her due to her obnox her first aviour. wimbledon grew to dislike her due to her obnox her first mistake, mbledon grew to dislike her due to her obnox her first mistake, not edon grew to dislike her due to her obnox her first mistake, not hern being her first mistake, not her colour . from being her first mistake, not her colour. from meghan's colour. from david, meghan's race as a positive race was seen as a positive thing. anything, royal

thing. if anything, the royal family being family was perceived as being modernised and inclusive. and from susan , meghan could have from susan, meghan could have done so good using her done so much good using her heritage and position within the royal to enhance race royal family to enhance race relations instead, sought relations. instead, she sought to create division. i have to say, susan , i think that's the say, susan, i think that's the best comment of the day on this. and verdict now in. 93% and your verdict is now in. 93% of do agree with sir trevor of you do agree with sir trevor phillips actually you phillips that actually you didn't even about meghan didn't even care about meghan markle's just 7% of you markle's race. just 7% of you say it was an issue. coming up as a bombshell, new yougov poll has meghan markle's approval rating at an all time low. is her montecito majesty all out of star power ? well, my royal star power? well, my royal master, lady colin campbell and richard fitzwilliams are going to on this story shortly. to take on this story shortly. but first, as jk rowling and elon musk join forces to send a powerful message to the woke utopians of world slamming utopians of the world slamming the cisgender, former tory the word cisgender, former tory minister ann widdecombe joins me to react and dares the trans lobby to call her a cis woman. back.

lady colin campbell with the tnetttnt— lady colin campbell with the breaking bombshell on meghan's eeent— breaking bombshell on meghan's eeent ten— breaking bombshell on meghan's record low popularity coming up. but record low popularity coming up. set tnt.— record low popularity coming up. set ttnt. ttn— record low popularity coming up. but first, it's time— record low popularity coming up. but first, it's time for— record low popularity coming up. but first, it's time for big- but first, it's time for big willie style with former tory minister ann widdecombe . and minister ann widdecombe. and responding twitter user who responding to a twitter user who had been barraged by trans activists online for rejecting the word cis , which was created, the word cis, which was created, by the way, by the woke brigade

to mean a person with the same gender as the one they were born with. right? so men or women. elon musk announced yesterday the words cis or cis gender are considered slurs on this platform. and then rowling .j.k. platform. and then rowling. j.k. rowling showed her support. right. insists is ideological language signify being belief in the unfalsified concept of gender identity . motty you have gender identity. motty you have a perfect right to believe in unprovable essences that may or may not match the sexed body, but the rest of us have a right to disagree and to refuse to adopt your jargon. to which musk replied, exactly so and widdecombe, firstly, what a power couple. elon musk and jk rowling. you don't want to take those two on, but how do you feel, ann, when you are referred to as a cis woman ? well, i'm not to as a cis woman? well, i'm not aware that anybody's actually called me individually a cis woman. they wouldn't be aware of it. woman. they wouldn't be aware of t. t— woman. they wouldn't be aware of t. t vtett— woman. they wouldn't be aware of it. i would certainly— “ they wouldn't be aware of it. i would certainly have remembered— it. i would certainly have remembered it- it. i would certainly have remembered it and i would

eentttntv— remembered it and i would certainly have— remembered it and i would certainly have produced a neteten— certainly have produced a netetent t— certainly have produced a reaction. i mean, what what is tne— reaction. i mean, what what is tne tenn— reaction. i mean, what what is the term actually— reaction. i mean, what what is the term actually means? it means you're born you're a ttttte— means you're born you're a ttttte ttn.— means you're born you're a little girl. and— means you're born you're a little girl. and then when you get etten— little girl. and then when you get etten .— little girl. and then when you get older , you're— little girl. and then when you get older , you're a woman. and get older, you're a woman. and tnntnenttv— get older, you're a woman. and tnntnenttv tnn— get older, you're a woman. and apparently this is— get older, you're a woman. and apparently this is so remarkable tntt— apparently this is so remarkable tntt tt— apparently this is so remarkable tntt tt neete— apparently this is so remarkable that it needs a— apparently this is so remarkable that it needs a special term and tntt— that it needs a special term and tntt tenn— that it needs a special term and tntt tenn n— that it needs a special term and that term is cis— that it needs a special term and that term is cis gender. now, tne— that term is cis gender. now, tne ttet— that term is cis gender. now, the fact that— that term is cis gender. now, the fact that over— that term is cis gender. now, the fact that over 99% of the nenntttten— the fact that over 99% of the population follow that norm , you population follow that norm, you tntn,— population follow that norm, you know, tt— population follow that norm, you know, tt eeene— population follow that norm, you know, it seems to— population follow that norm, you know, it seems to me to indicate tntt— know, it seems to me to indicate tntt vee— know, it seems to me to indicate tntt ven ten-t— know, it seems to me to indicate that you don't need— know, it seems to me to indicate that you don't need a special tenn— that you don't need a special tenn ten— that you don't need a special tenn ten tt— that you don't need a special term for it. you— that you don't need a special term for it. you need a special tenn— term for it. you need a special tenn ten— term for it. you need a special term for anything— term for it. you need a special term for anything that deviates tntn— term for anything that deviates tntn-nenn— term for anything that deviates from - norm. and - term for anything that deviates from norm. and that would from that norm. and that would nneenntstv— from that norm. and that would nneeentttv te— from that norm. and that would presumably be where you would ettt— presumably be where you would ettt eenneene— presumably be where you would call someone a— presumably be where you would call someone a trans man or a tntne— call someone a trans man or a trans woman. yeah,- call someone a trans man or a trans woman. / call someone a trans man or a trans woman. a/t2;t?“ «tt2;5 trans woman. yeah, that's yes, i would. buti trans woman. yeah, that's yes, i would. but i would— trans woman. yeah, that's yes, i would. but i would call- trans woman. yeah, that's yes, i would. but i would call a- trans woman. a/t2;t?“ «tt2;5 : but i would call a trans would. but i would call a trans woman or a trans— : but i would call a trans woman or a trans man , somebody woman or a trans man, somebody nne— woman or a trans man, somebody vvne ntt— woman or a trans man, somebody who had actually— woman or a trans man, somebody who had actually been through a nneen— who had actually been through a proper transition— who had actually been through a proper transition .— who had actually been through a proper transition . yeah, yeah, proper transition. yeah, yeah, yeah-— proper transition. yeah, yeah, vetn. ant— proper transition. yeah, yeah, vetn. ant vee— proper transition. yeah, yeah, yeah. and you know, i mean, going— yeah. and you know, i mean, tetnt stet— yeah. and you know, i mean, tetnt ttet te— yeah. and you know, i mean, going back to the old days, jan menn— going back to the old days, jan ttennn, ten— going back to the old days, jan morris, for example , or these morris, for example, or these ttve — morris, for example, or these dayst vntt-e— morris, for example, or these days, what's her— morris, for example, or these days, what's her name? (i? w “ days, what's her name? caitlyn tennet— days, what's her name? caitlyn jenne- ettttvn— days, what's her name? caitlyn jenner . caitlyn jenner.- jenner. caitlyn jenner. willougth- caitlyn jenner. willoughby. oh yeah, yeah. so netete— willoughby. oh yeah, yeah. so neente atte— willoughby. oh yeah, yeah. so people like that— willoughby. oh yeah, yeah. so people like that who've been

tnneetn— people like that who've been tnnentn tne— people like that who've been through the whole the whole of nneene— through the whole the whole of nneeeee , tn— through the whole the whole of process , i'm quite— through the whole the whole of process , i'm quite happy to call process, i'm quite happy to call not process, i'm quite happy to call net tntt— process, i'm quite happy to call not that prisoner. _ process, i'm quite happy to call not that prisoner. \tt2t process, i'm quite happy to call not that prisoner. we not that prisoner. not that prisoner , adam graham, who prisoner, adam graham, who basically popped on some pink lycra and said, call me isla graham. so i can go to a women's prison . a women's prison? yeah. prison. a women's prison? yeah. isla bryson so, but “ ' “ 7 yeah. isla bryson so, but somebody who etnntv— isla bryson so, but somebody who etnntv ntve— isla bryson so, but somebody who etnntv sayst t— isla bryson so, but somebody who etnntv sayst t tn— isla bryson so, but somebody who etnntv sayst t tn t— isla bryson so, but somebody who simply says, i am a man or a woman who patently obviously is not woman who patently obviously is net tnt— woman who patently obviously is net tnt vvenve— woman who patently obviously is not and who've still got all the stetettett— not and who've still got all the biological equipment of the sex tntt— biological equipment of the sex tntt tnev— biological equipment of the sex tntt tnev — biological equipment of the sex that they were born in, then do not that they were born in, then do net ettt— that they were born in, then do net ettt tntt— that they were born in, then do not call that person a trans man or not call that person a trans man en tntne— not call that person a trans man or trans woman because they're nttenttv— or trans woman because they're patently obviously— or trans woman because they're patently obviously either male or patently obviously either male en tentte. — patently obviously either male or female. you— patently obviously either male or female. you know, and when it te— or female. you know, and when it te netete— or female. you know, and when it comes to people being able men tetnt— comes to people being able men tetnt ttte— comes to people being able men tetnt ttte te— comes to people being able men tetnt ttte te 90— comes to people being able men being able to go to— comes to people being able men being able to go to women's nneene— being able to go to women's nneene en— being able to go to women's prisons on the— being able to go to women's prisons on the basis that they are prisons on the basis that they ttentttv— prisons on the basis that they are identify as— prisons on the basis that they are identify as a— prisons on the basis that they are identify as a woman . and now are identify as a woman. and now eeneetttte— are identify as a woman. and now schoolkids are— are identify as a woman. and now schoolkids are being taught they can schoolkids are being taught they ttentttv— schoolkids are being taught they can identify as— schoolkids are being taught they can identify as a— schoolkids are being taught they can identify as a cat . well, if can identify as a cat. well, if i can identify as a cat. well, if t ntt— can identify as a cat. well, if t ntt t— can identify as a cat. well, if i had a child— can identify as a cat. well, if i had a child who— can identify as a cat. well, if i had a child who came home and ettt— i had a child who came home and an, tn— i had a child who came home and an, t-n t— i had a child who came home and an, t-n t ett— i had a child who came home and said, i'm a cat, i— i had a child who came home and said, i'm a cat, i would give it a said, i'm a cat, i would give it t tent— said, i'm a cat, i would give it t tent et— said, i'm a cat, i would give it t tent et ett— said, i'm a cat, i would give it a bowl of cat food— said, i'm a cat, i would give it a bowl of cat food and a bowl of ntt— a bowl of cat food and a bowl of nttt tnt— a bowl of cat food and a bowl of nttt tnt ntv— a bowl of cat food and a bowl of milk and say, okay,— a bowl of cat food and a bowl of milk and say, okay, then this is entt— milk and say, okay, then this is vntt ette— milk and say, okay, then this is vntt ette tet. — milk and say, okay, then this is what cats get. i— milk and say, okay, then this is what cats get. i know. but the etetten — what cats get. i know. but the problem is that i mean, i think

we've really understood this week, haven't we, that this extreme same ideology is seeping through school system that's through our school system that's really me. but really concerning me. but actually even more actually what's even more concerning to me is the fact that beautiful english that the beautiful english language that we have used and developed for hundreds and hundreds of years is now being by this woke nonsense, because you can't even use the words he or she if you're in the woke world. now you can't call someone a woman. you have to call them a cis woman. i just think it's so wrong and i think j.k. rowling, who is obviously a brilliant writer, is right to say this is ideological evil. and actually we need to fight back against it. and that's why more and more an people are saying , no, more and more an people are saying, no, i'm more and more an people are saying , no, i'm not going to saying, no, i'm not going to start us using preferred pronouns. just because you want me to call you a they. i'm not going to do that because you are a he or you are a she. so the point is it mangles the language completely so that you get sentences and you read them in the press every day. the press

has the press every day. the press nte ttentet— the press every day. the press has adopted this— 031. the press has adopted this stupid formula. i has adopted this stupid formula. t ntte— has adopted this stupid formula. t ntte tt— has adopted this stupid formula. t ntte tt. ant— has adopted this stupid formula. i hate it. and every day you nett— i hate it. and every day you nett, ven— i hate it. and every day you read, you know,— i hate it. and every day you read, you know, about a woman nne— read, you know, about a woman who themselves— read, you know, about a woman who themselves did such and such a who themselves did such and such t tnne.— who themselves did such and such ttntnt. ant— who themselves did such and such ttntnt. ant tn— who themselves did such and such a thing. and i'm screaming, you etn-t— a thing. and i'm screaming, you etn-t nte— a thing. and i'm screaming, you can't mix singular— a thing. and i'm screaming, you can't mix singular and plural. no can't mix singular and plural. ae ne— can't mix singular and plural. no no, no, no, no.— can't mix singular and plural. no no, no, no, no. believe me, an you know them self can't be done. exactly. and we both know as newspaper columnists , you as newspaper columnists, you know, it's impossible not to use. correct correct. pronouns. and so i think more and more, there has to be a fight back here. and i think it's great. we're with we're with elon musk and j.k. rowling on this witty and. widdicombe great addition to and. widdicombe great addition te tne— and. widdicombe great addition te tne ttttte— and. widdicombe great addition to the battle. yeah— ?“t: widdicombe great addition to the battle. yeah indeed. \t2t to the battle. yeah indeed. no, no, to the battle. yeah indeed. no, vent— to the battle. yeah indeed. no, no, no. very powerful- to the battle. yeah indeed. no, no, no. very powerful allies indeed. we'll speak next week and thank you so much. but coming up , as and thank you so much. but coming up, as interest rates rise to a shocking 5, is this when the government's house of cards finally comes crashing down for fishy ? rishi, my down for fishy? rishi, my superstar panel and i debate that shortly, but next has a bombshell. new poll has meghan markle's approval rating at an all time low with the duchess

red faced after spotify pulled the plug on her podcast deal and fashion house deal distancing themselves. what should we expect? montecito owners to do now? my royal masterminds, lady colin campbell and richard fitzwilliams, they're on deck after this short .

break time now for my royal masterminds, lady colin campbell. and tonight, richard fitzwilliams. and breaking tonight, a yougov poll has revealed meghan markle's approval rating has fallen to a record low of wait for it, minus 47. it's tops off a week from hell for the runaway royals as their multi—million dollar spotify deal was ripped up with bill simmons, an exec at the streaming giant, one of many famous faces stateside to take them which been involved them on, which had been involved in meghan and harry leave in the meghan and harry leave spotify negotiation. the

grifters. that's the- g the grifters. that's the podcast spotify negotiation. the- grifters. that's the podcast we enentt — grifters. that's the podcast we enentt ntve— grifters. that's the podcast we should have launched with them. i should have launched with them. t-ntnv-e— should have launched with them. t-ntnv-e t— should have launched with them. t-ntnv-e t nte— should have launched with them. i-harry's a like my- should have launched with them. i-harry's a like my life- i think harry's a like my life was so hard. everybody life is hard. you were the prince of a country who dressed up as a and now you're trying to come back as the pope. ladies and tenttenen— as the pope. ladies and gentlemen, i— ladies and gentlemen, i could do 12 ennetee— gentlemen, i could do 12 ennetee tn— gentlemen, i could do 12 episodes in my sleep . 12 episodes in my sleep. 12 enteetee— episodes in my sleep. 12 episodes, 20,000,000 hours . 0“ episodes, 20,000,000 hours. oh, ttnttt— episodes, 20,000,000 hours. oh, ttnttt. ant— episodes, 20,000,000 hours. oh, brutal. and ladies,— episodes, 20,000,000 hours. oh, brutal. and ladies, see the fashion house deal have also distanced themselves now from meghan denying rumours of a contract negotiation going on at all. so it does really feel like the sussexes brand is in free fall. but what do you make of this yougov poll? because cause it shows that they are just getting more and more unpopular because harry's an negative territory big time . to well, i territory big time. to well, i didn't realise they- zttg . well, i didn't realise they were quite as didn't realise they were quite te nennttn— didn't realise they were quite te nennttn te— didn't realise they were quite as popular as they still are. i t— as popular as they still are. i mean i would— as popular as they still are. i mean i would have thought it was

me.— mean i would have thought it was 220% ntnnn— mean i would have thought it was 220% minus this. _ mean i would have thought it was 220% minus this. so it's very vett— 220% minus this. so it's very well deserved.— 220% minus this. so it's very well deserved. they have earned it well deserved. they have earned tt tnt— well deserved. they have earned tt tnt tnev-ne— well deserved. they have earned it and they're going to get it tnt— it and they're going to get it tnt tnev-ne— it and they're going to get it and they're getting it . i think and they're getting it. i think it and they're getting it. i think tt eenen— and they're getting it. i think tt eenevv ven— and they're getting it. i think it shows, you know , as the it shows, you know, as the ttnttetn— it shows, you know, as the ttnnettetn ntv— it shows, you know, as the jamaicans say, when you spit in the jamaicans say, when you spit in tne ntv— jamaicans say, when you spit in tne skvt tt— jamaicans say, when you spit in the sky, it might— jamaicans say, when you spit in the sky, it might fall in your eye — the sky, it might fall in your eye ant— the sky, it might fall in your eye ant ttn— the sky, it might fall in your eye. and it's certainly fallen in eye. and it's certainly fallen tn ttetn— eye. and it's certainly fallen tn tnetn eve.— eye. and it's certainly fallen in their eye. what's so interesting,— in their eye. what's so interesting, lady c, is it feels ttte— interesting, lady c, is it feels ttte tnn— interesting, lady c, is it feels like this week— interesting, lady c, is it feels like this week the floodgates ntve— like this week the floodgates ntve enenet— like this week the floodgates have opened in— like this week the floodgates have opened in terms of people in have opened in terms of people tn nettvveet,— have opened in terms of people in hollywood, big— have opened in terms of people in hollywood, big american names are in hollywood, big american names ttne— in hollywood, big american names ttne .— in hollywood, big american names ttne , entv— in hollywood, big american names are fine , only realising are fine, only realising tetntttv— are fine, only realising actually we- are fine, only realising actually we can be honest about entt— actually we can be honest about vntt ve— actually we can be honest about vntt ve teet— actually we can be honest about what we feel about— actually we can be honest about what we feel about harry and ttetntn— what we feel about harry and ttetntn .— what we feel about harry and ttetntn . vee— what we feel about harry and meghan . yes. yes— what we feel about harry and meghan . yes. yes absolutely. and meghan. yes. yes absolutely. and you meghan. yes. yes absolutely. and ven knew,— meghan. yes. yes absolutely. and ven know, ntn— meghan. yes. yes absolutely. and you know, dan, i've— meghan. yes. yes absolutely. and you know, dan, i've been enetttnt— you know, dan, i've been enetttnt te— you know, dan, i've been speaking to people in hollywood and speaking to people in hollywood tnt tnev— speaking to people in hollywood and they confirm _ speaking to people in hollywood and they confirm what you said. tne— and they confirm what you said. tne etten— and they confirm what you said. the other evening.— and they confirm what you said. the other evening. netflix is tetttnt— the other evening. netflix is tetttnt nettv— the other evening. netflix is getting ready to— the other evening. netflix is getting ready to give them the old getting ready to give them the ett netve— getting ready to give them the old heave for— getting ready to give them the old heave for the— getting ready to give them the old heave for the darlings just teeen-t— old heave for the darlings just teeen-t venn— old heave for the darlings just doesn't your heart for break

tnene— doesn't your heart for break tent on— doesn't your heart for break them? oh, i'm— doesn't your heart for break them? oh, i'm richard . nice to them? oh, i'm richard. nice to ven— them? oh, i'm richard. nice to ven .— them? oh, i'm richard. nice to see you , richard. _ them? oh, i'm richard. nice to see you , richard. ' it2; see you, richard. are you heanng see you, richard. are you hearing the same thing that that this netflix deal could be the next one to go ? well, this is next one to go? well, this is tne— next one to go? well, this is tne tntnt— next one to go? well, this is tne tntnt .— next one to go? well, this is tne tntnt . t— next one to go? well, this is the thing . i firstly- “2.x. g 7 well, this is the thing . i firstly mean, let the thing. i firstly mean, let me— the thing. i firstly mean, let me welcome the— the thing. i firstly mean, let me welcome the results of this nett. — me welcome the results of this nett. ttet— me welcome the results of this poll. they deserve— me welcome the results of this poll. “t2;«t : . they've poll. they deserve it. they've etnnet— poll. they deserve it. they've etnnet tt— poll. they deserve it. they've etnnet tt. ae— poll. they deserve it. they've earned it. as georgie- poll. “t2;«t : . they've earned it. as georgie said . i earned it. as georgie said. i tne— earned it. as georgie said. i mean, the facts— earned it. as georgie said. i mean, the facts are that they never cared very— mean, the facts are that they never cared very much about how tnev— never cared very much about how tnev vene— never cared very much about how they were regarded _ never cared very much about how they were regarded in britain. ant— they were regarded in britain. ant ttte— they were regarded in britain. and this clearly— they were regarded in britain. and this clearly shows- they were regarded in britain. and this clearly shows they're not. i'd like to see a further nett— not. i'd like to see a further nett nettnttnt— not. i'd like to see a further poll regarding the- i'd like to see a further poll regarding the ratings in anentet— poll regarding the ratings in anentet te— poll regarding the ratings in america to newsweek polls had ten — america to newsweek polls had ten tt— america to newsweek polls had them at abominable levels etntten— them at abominable levels etntten tn— them at abominable levels earlier in the— them at abominable levels earlier in the year, and then tne— earlier in the year, and then tne neet— earlier in the year, and then the most recent— earlier in the year, and then the most recent yougov poll i ntt— the most recent yougov poll i ntt t— the most recent yougov poll i saw had a more— the most recent yougov poll i saw had a more balanced picture . se— saw had a more balanced picture . se ttn— saw had a more balanced picture . se ttn te— saw had a more balanced picture . so far as netflix— saw had a more balanced picture . so far as netflix are concerned— . so far as netflix are concerned. - . so far as netflix are concerned . ' “t: . so far as netflix are concerned . '“t: . so far as netflix are- concerned . and i think a lot concerned. and i think a lot rests on this because they've lost spotify . they can't lost spotify. they can't trademark archetypes . and if trademark archetypes. and if they were to lose netflix and that's the hundred billion, $1 billion, then that really would be absolutely seismic . but i be absolutely seismic. but i think they're going to make a fight back, you see. and the other problem is, if they have it rough and hard, a lot of

people will take a great deal of delight in seeing them torn down because look at the way they've built each other up built built each other up or built themselves up. it's been ruthless. here's the problem ruthless. but here's the problem will that make life easier for the royal family or will they, for example, look at the random house contract, which they've still meghan could write still got. meghan could write a memoir. harry could take the 400 pages and use in spotify, or he could have write a book about his early childhood . so there his early childhood. so there are sorts of things as one are all sorts of things as one welcomes certain results which are richly deserved that could go very wrong for others. and of course we wonder how harry's court cases are going to go. the problem is lady c, they are stuck between a bit of a rock and a hard place, though, aren't they, because their popularity is dropping because of their content and attacks on the royal family, even the americans don't like anymore . however, if like that anymore. however, if they like that anymore. however, if tnev vtnt— like that anymore. however, if tnev vtnt te— like that anymore. however, if they want to make _ like that anymore. however, if they want to make this,- l ?“yt i“t2tit2; however, if they want to make this, which is all they want to make this, which is ttt tnev— they want to make this, which is ttt tnev ee— they want to make this, which is all they care about— they want to make this, which is all they care about , they're all they care about, they're going— all they care about, they're tetnt te— all they care about, they're tetnt te ntve— all they care about, they're going to have to keep unleashing tneee— going to have to keep unleashing those attacks. _ going to have to keep unleashing those attacks. in— going to have to keep unleashing those attacks. in meghan's book, for those attacks. in meghan's book,

ten example-— those attacks. in meghan's book, for example. well— those attacks. in meghan's book, for example. well i— those attacks. in meghan's book, for example. well i think the env— for example. well i think the entv tntnt— for example. well i think the only thing people are interested in only thing people are interested tn n— only thing people are interested tn n entt— only thing people are interested in is what they— only thing people are interested in is what they have to say ttent— in is what they have to say ttent tne— in is what they have to say about the royal— in is what they have to say about the royal family whether it's about the royal family whether tt-e nettttve— about the royal family whether it's negative or— about the royal family whether it's negative or positive . it's negative or positive. i ten-t— it's negative or positive. i ten-t tttnt— it's negative or positive. i don't think anybody's interested in anything else they have to say. neither of them has very much of a brain and neither of them really has anything to contribute to the edification of people . and, you know, they're people. and, you know, they're both boring. i mean , everybody both boring. i mean, everybody has an appetite for scandal and gossip , and they has an appetite for scandal and gossip, and they might not like it, but they still want to hear it. but i mean, do we want to hear meghan pontificating about her? wonderful. she is one act of cruelty at a time. i don't think so. no thank you. and tnt— think so. no thank you. and wasn't trevor— \t2t thank you. and wasn't trevor phillips just eenntetetv— wasn't trevor phillips just completely right, by wasn't trevor phillips just completely right , by the way, completely right, by the way, tttv— completely right, by the way, tttv e,— completely right, by the way, tttv e, te— completely right, by the way, tttv e, te ntv— completely right, by the way, lady c, to say, actually, we ntt — lady c, to say, actually, we ntt t— lady c, to say, actually, we never had a problem with her teetne— never had a problem with her teetne et— never had a problem with her because of her— never had a problem with her because of her race? you know, ene— because of her race? you know, ene vt— because of her race? you know, she was embraced— because of her race? you know, she was embraced in britain. it netntnt— she was embraced in britain. it netntnt te— she was embraced in britain. it was nothing to do— she was embraced in britain. it was nothing to do with the eeetnn— was nothing to do with the eeetnn et— was nothing to do with the colour of her— was nothing to do with the colour of her skin. �*va�*t2;.. l colour of her skin. well, isn't

it wonderful , i have to say, it wonderful, i have to say, trevor phillips is a capital guy . he's so good and he's so measured. he's a great friend of a great friend of mine. and, you know, it's nice to have somebody who was the head of the equalities committee on calling her out as being the fraud that she is. and i mean, when you stop to think of the mischief that she has created, not only in terms of ruining the deaths of the duke of edinburgh and the queen, but ruining all sorts of things in the commonwealth. i mean, being jamaican, i know that her conduct was directly responsible for the failure of the wales talks. it was to me, yes, it was. but she loved that ene— yes, it was. but she loved that ene tevet— yes, it was. but she loved that she loved that— yes, it was. but she loved that she loved that she— p25 . but she loved that she loved that she thought that was she loved that she thought that t neent.— she loved that she thought that was a result. it— she loved that she thought that was a result. it you know, and venne— was a result. it you know, and venne nent— was a result. it you know, and venne right tt— was a result. it you know, and you're right, it did— was a result. it you know, and you're right, it did. was a result. it you know, and you're right, it did . it you're right, it did. it destroyed— you're right, it did. it destroyed it.- you're right, it did. it destroyed it. but look back in snttttn— destroyed it. but look back in enttttn tne— destroyed it. but look back in britain, the wales's eldest son, a britain, the wales's eldest son, t ennee— britain, the wales's eldest son, a prince george— britain, the wales's eldest son, a prince george heir to the ttnene— a prince george heir to the no... nte— a prince george heir to the throne, has been spotted today on throne, has been spotted today en t vtett— throne, has been spotted today en t vnttlt— throne, has been spotted today

on a visit-a rather- throne, has been spotted today on a visit a rather well on a visit to a rather well tnevvn— on a visit to a rather well known school.— on a visit to a rather well known school. second in line to the known school. second in line to tne tnnene. — known school. second in line to the throne. george,— known school. second in line to the throne. george, who turns ten— the throne. george, who turns ten next— the throne. george, who turns ten next month,— the throne. george, who turns ten next month, visited eton, tnttetttnt— ten next month, visited eton, indicating that— ten next month, visited eton, indicating that he's likely to tettev— indicating that he's likely to tettev tn— indicating that he's likely to follow in his— indicating that he's likely to follow in his father's footsteps in follow in his father's footsteps tn tttenttnt— follow in his father's footsteps in attending the— follow in his father's footsteps in attending the illustrious enttte— in attending the illustrious public school,— in attending the illustrious public school, richard , do you public school, richard, do you tntnt— public school, richard, do you tntnt ttn— public school, richard, do you think it's inevitable that the tevtt— think it's inevitable that the ttevtt ttnttv— think it's inevitable that the royal family will follow this ttnttttn— royal family will follow this familiar tradition , or should familiar tradition, or should vvttee— familiar tradition, or should vvttee tnt— familiar tradition, or should wales and perhaps be looking to tneenen— wales and perhaps be looking to freshen things— wales and perhaps be looking to freshen things up— wales and perhaps be looking to freshen things up ? �*fvt2... freshen things up? well, i think the problem here has always been to board or not to board. and i think william and catherine will be very, very sensitive on this depending on the various characteristics of obviously, george the future king, but also obviously charlotte and louis would how would they each individually really respond to a boarding school? would this be an environment that they'd like? and i think that is the driving force here. the fact that, of course, we know william had also . harry we know well , went to . harry we know well, went to eton. i mean, yeah, we've heard all about that, haven't we, ladies ? see. do you think do you ladies? see. do you think do you tntnt— ladies? see. do you think do you tntnt eeente—

ladies? see. do you think do you think george will— ladies? see. do you think do you think george will end— ?t: 7 see. do you think do you think george will end up at eton 7 think george will end up at eton t t— think george will end up at eton t t tntnt— think george will end up at eton t ttntnt tte— think george will end up at eton ? i think it's there's— think george will end up at eton ? i think it's there's a- think george will end up at eton ? i think it's there's a very good chance. i mean, there are many really good reasons for being at eton. it's very near to windsor. uh, you know, so . so windsor. uh, you know, so. so that's a great convenor for anybody who has a connection to the royal family and it's a very good school. and he is academically gifted enough to get he will do well. and you know, as a future king, eton is one of the best schools in the world. and as you say, get a better education. yeah. and as you say, it's so close to- you say, it's so close to vvtnteen— you say, it's so close to windsor that- you say, it's so close to windsor that he could be popping stet— windsor that he could be popping ttet tnt— windsor that he could be popping ttet tnt tenn— windsor that he could be popping back and forth very— windsor that he could be popping back and forth very easily. so tttv— back and forth very easily. so tttv eettn— back and forth very easily. so lady colin campbell, richard fitzwilliams,— lady colin campbell, richard fitzwilliams, great to have you vvttn— fitzwilliams, great to have you vvttnittentnt— fitzwilliams, great to have you with richard thank you both with us. richard thank you both so with us. richard thank you both ee nnet— with us. richard thank you both ee nnen .— with us. richard thank you both so much . have— with us. richard thank you both so much . have a— with us. richard thank you both so much . have a great weekend. so much. have a great weekend. nnt— so much. have a great weekend. nnt eentnt— so much. have a great weekend. nnt eentnt-te— so much. have a great weekend. but coming as rescuers but coming up, as rescuers eenttnn— but coming up, as rescuers eenttnn tne— but coming up, as rescuers confirm the missing thai titanic sub confirm the missing thai titanic ent tn— confirm the missing thai titanic ent tn tne— confirm the missing thai titanic sub in the north— confirm the missing thai titanic sub in the north atlantic enttenet— sub in the north atlantic suffered a— sub in the north atlantic suffered a catastrophic implosion-— suffered a catastrophic implosion. i'm joined by two men nne— implosion. i'm joined by two men vvne tnevv— implosion. i'm joined by two men vvne tnevv tne— implosion. i'm joined by two men who knew the crew— implosion. i'm joined by two men who knew the crew closely. ttttnte— who knew the crew closely. titanic expert— who knew the crew closely. titanic expert craig soap and a

eteee— titanic expert craig soap and a eteee tntent— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of the— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of the pilot, paul nent.— close friend of the pilot, paul nennv. tttet— close friend of the pilot, paul henry. nigel and— close friend of the pilot, paul henry. nigel and guillermo setettn— henry. nigel and guillermo soledar lee,— henry. nigel and guillermo soledar lee, the founder and ceo of soledar lee, the founder and ceo et eeetnette.— soledar lee, the founder and ceo of oceangate. i'm— soledar lee, the founder and ceo of oceangate. i'm going to join me ttve— of oceangate. i'm going to join me ttve te— of oceangate. i'm going to join me live to react— of oceangate. i'm going to join me live to react to— of oceangate. i'm going to join me live to react to tonight's tnttte— me live to react to tonight's tnttte nevn— me live to react to tonight's tragic news in— me live to react to tonight's tragic news in the media. buzz as tragic news in the media. buzz te tnteneet— tragic news in the media. buzz as interest rates— tragic news in the media. buzz as interest rates rise to a eneettnt— as interest rates rise to a eneettnt s.— as interest rates rise to a shocking 5. is— as interest rates rise to a shocking 5. is this when the tevennnnen-t— shocking 5. is this when the government's house of cards ttntttv— government's house of cards finally comes— government's house of cards finally comes crashing down? etne,— finally comes crashing down? ttne te— finally comes crashing down? plus, as schofield's young lover eete— plus, as schofield's young lover ten eet— plus, as schofield's young lover ten eet te— plus, as schofield's young lover gets set to have— plus, as schofield's young lover gets set to have his say, will ttv— gets set to have his say, will ttv teeeee— gets set to have his say, will itv bosses be— gets set to have his say, will itv bosses be nervous about what he itv bosses be nervous about what ne eentt— itv bosses be nervous about what he could reveal?— itv bosses be nervous about what he could reveal? both those tetttee— he could reveal? both those tetttee te— he could reveal? both those debates are coming up in just a nnennent — debates are coming up in just a nnennent tte-ne— debates are coming up in just a moment. we're also going to have a moment. we're also going to have t ttnt— moment. we're also going to have t ttnt teet— moment. we're also going to have t ttnt teet tt— moment. we're also going to have a first look at tomorrow's neventnen— a first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages for you. net— newspaper front pages for you. net ett— newspaper front pages for you. net ett tne— newspaper front pages for you. hot off the press.— newspaper front pages for you. hot off the press. don't go tnvvnene. — hot off the press. don't go anywhere. we're back in just two ntnntee— anywhere. we're back in just two ntnntee ttne— anywhere. we're back in just two ntnntee ttne .—

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tenttnt— is 10 pm. i'm dan wootton. tenttnt ttt— is 10 pm. i'm dan wootton. tonight 111 years— is 10 pm. i'm dan wootton. tonight 111 years after sinking in tonight 111 years after sinking tn tne— tonight 111 years after sinking in the atlantic,— tonight 111 years after sinking in the atlantic, the titanic etttne— in the atlantic, the titanic etttne nen— in the atlantic, the titanic claims her latest victims debris tntn— claims her latest victims debris tnen tne— claims her latest victims debris from the missing— claims her latest victims debris from the missing titan submarine is from the missing titan submarine n tneevenet— from the missing titan submarine is discovered by— from the missing titan submarine is discovered by rescue teams vttn— is discovered by rescue teams vvttn tne— is discovered by rescue teams with the vessel— is discovered by rescue teams with the vessel suffering a catastrophic— with the vessel suffering a catastrophic implosion that tttet— catastrophic implosion that ttttet tne— catastrophic implosion that killed the five— catastrophic implosion that killed the five souls on board. tenenn— killed the five souls on board. tenttnt, tn— killed the five souls on board. tonight, i'm joined live by the nne— tonight, i'm joined live by the man who co—founded the firm that ntte— man who co—founded the firm that ntte tntt— man who co—founded the firm that made that doomed— man who co—founded the firm that made that doomed sub , guillermo made that doomed sub, guillermo senntetn— made that doomed sub, guillermo senntetn tn— made that doomed sub, guillermo sohnlein, an and— made that doomed sub, guillermo sohnlein, an and world renowned ttttnte— sohnlein, an and world renowned ttttnte ennent— sohnlein, an and world renowned ttttnte ennent .— sohnlein, an and world renowned titanic expert , craig soap, and titanic expert, craig soap, and a titanic expert, craig soap, and t nenentt— titanic expert, craig soap, and a personal friend— titanic expert, craig soap, and a personal friend of titan pilot ttnt— a personal friend of titan pilot ttnt nenn— a personal friend of titan pilot ttnt nennv .— a personal friend of titan pilot paul henry. nigel, both will ttve— paul henry. nigel, both will ttve ttetn— paul henry. nigel, both will give their emotional first netetente— give their emotional first reactions live— give their emotional first reactions live on this show very enenttv— reactions live on this show very enenttv .— reactions live on this show very enentv . ane— reactions live on this show very shortly . also tonight, the bank shortly. also tonight, the bank of shortly. also tonight, the bank et tntttnt— shortly. also tonight, the bank of england sparks an economic ttttt— of england sparks an economic ttttt tve— of england sparks an economic tidal wave with— of england sparks an economic tidal wave with a— of england sparks an economic tidal wave with a shock interest ntte— tidal wave with a shock interest ntte nne— tidal wave with a shock interest ntte te— tidal wave with a shock interest ntte te s.— tidal wave with a shock interest rate rise to 5. so— tidal wave with a shock interest rate rise to 5. so is— tidal wave with a shock interest rate rise to 5. so is this rishi snntt— rate rise to 5. so is this rishi snntt nen— rate rise to 5. so is this rishi sunak men annus- rate rise to 5. so is this rishi sunak men annus horribilis the nentn— sunak men annus horribilis the nentn nn— sunak men annus horribilis the month his government's house of etnte— month his government's house of etnte ttntttv— month his government's house of cards finally comes— month his government's house of cards finally comes crashing tenn— cards finally comes crashing tevn en— cards finally comes crashing tevn en nv— cards finally comes crashing down on my superstar panel. give ttetn— down on my superstar panel. give tnetn venttet— down on my superstar panel. give their verdict next.— down on my superstar panel. give their verdict next. and tonight, i'm their verdict next. and tonight, t-n tetnet— their verdict next. and tonight, t-n tetnet sv— their verdict next. and tonight, i'm joined by carol mcgiffin, ntttnt— i'm joined by carol mcgiffin, ntttnt nn— i'm joined by carol mcgiffin, making his debut, the former conservative— making his debut, the former conservative cabinet minister, ttntt— conservative cabinet minister, ranil jayawardena and amy

annett— ranil jayawardena and amy nicholl. plus,— ranil jayawardena and amy nicholl. plus, a— ranil jayawardena and amy nicholl. plus, a bomb shell tent— nicholl. plus, a bomb shell tvnt tn— nicholl. plus, a bomb shell twist in the— nicholl. plus, a bomb shell twist in the phillip schofield eetnttt— twist in the phillip schofield eetnttt .— twist in the phillip schofield scandal . the— twist in the phillip schofield scandal . the young itv runner scandal. the young itv runner entnettet— scandal. the young itv runner entnettet tn— scandal. the young itv runner embroiled in the— scandal. the young itv runner embroiled in the affair is now tenet— embroiled in the affair is now nenet te— embroiled in the affair is now poised to spill— embroiled in the affair is now poised to spill the beans, tnetnttnt— poised to spill the beans, including rubbishing itv claims. tve-ne— including rubbishing itv claims. tve-ne tett— including rubbishing itv claims. we're told that— including rubbishing itv claims. we're told that he— including rubbishing itv claims. we're told that he was routinely tntzzet— we're told that he was routinely tntzzet tsent— we're told that he was routinely quizzed about the _ we're told that he was routinely quizzed about the romance . don't quizzed about the romance. don't nn— quizzed about the romance. don't tntt— quizzed about the romance. don't tntt tn— quizzed about the romance. don't miss that in the— quizzed about the romance. don't miss that in the media, buzz in nnetneetet. — miss that in the media, buzz in uncanceled. why— miss that in the media, buzz in uncanceled. why did elton john's nnettnt— uncanceled. why did elton john's husband david— uncanceled. why did elton john's husband david furnish admit senettett— husband david furnish admit schofield made— husband david furnish admit schofield made a colossal error of schofield made a colossal error et tnttenent— schofield made a colossal error of judgement for— schofield made a colossal error of judgement for later, telling sky of judgement for later, telling stv neve— of judgement for later, telling stv tene tntt— of judgement for later, telling sky news that he was a victim of tenennettte— sky news that he was a victim of homophobia? fly— sky news that he was a victim of homophobia? fly street legend tetvtn— homophobia? fly street legend kelvin mackenzie targets scopes nvneentte— kelvin mackenzie targets scopes hypocrite defenders plus explore of hypocrite defenders plus explore et nev— hypocrite defenders plus explore of new accusations— hypocrite defenders plus explore of new accusations against the see— of new accusations against the see tntt— of new accusations against the see tntt tt— of new accusations against the bbc that it misled the public tttnttn— bbc that it misled the public over martin bashir's princess ettnt— over martin bashir's princess diana shenanigans. meanwhile, the diana shenanigans. meanwhile, tne tnt-e— diana shenanigans. meanwhile, tne nt-e ten— diana shenanigans. meanwhile, the uk's top former equalities commissioner— the uk's top former equalities commissioner blasts the duke and eneneee— commissioner blasts the duke and eneneee et— commissioner blasts the duke and duchess of whinge_ commissioner blasts the duke and duchess of whinge for unforgivably- duchess of whinge for unforgivably his word, squandering a golden chance to enen— squandering a golden chance to new tne— squandering a golden chance to show the best— squandering a golden chance to show the best of— squandering a golden chance to show the best of britain. so is sir show the best of britain. so is stn seven— show the best of britain. so is sir trevor phillips— show the best of britain. so is sir trevor phillips right that ntnn— sir trevor phillips right that ntnnv tnt— sir trevor phillips right that harry and meghan could have entnet— harry and meghan could have entnet tne— harry and meghan could have shaped the world for millions by nnevtnt— shaped the world for millions by nnevtnt enn— shaped the world for millions by proving our anti—racist credentials?- proving our anti—racist credentials? find out as well vnten— credentials? find out as well vnten p0p— credentials? find out as well which pop megastar earned her ntte— which pop megastar earned her

ntte sv— which pop megastar earned her halo by donating— which pop megastar earned her halo by donating a £1 million enetne— halo by donating a £1 million enetne te— halo by donating a £1 million enetne te t— halo by donating a £1 million cheque to a needy restaurant . cheque to a needy restaurant. tntt-e— cheque to a needy restaurant. tntt-e nnen— cheque to a needy restaurant. tntt-e vvnen t— cheque to a needy restaurant. that's when i crown my bucha. tett— that's when i crown my bucha. ett ven— that's when i crown my bucha. stt ven ntet— that's when i crown my bucha. stt ven etet nn— that's when i crown my bucha. did you pick up on— that's when i crown my bucha. did you pick up on the hint tnenet— did you pick up on the hint there? we'll— did you pick up on the hint there? we'll have tomorrow's nevnntnen— there? we'll have tomorrow's newspaper front— there? we'll have tomorrow's newspaper front pages for you. net— newspaper front pages for you. net-tne— newspaper front pages for you. net-tne nneen— newspaper front pages for you. hot-the press in— newspaper front pages for you. hot the press in mere hot off the press in mere moments, but— hot off the press in mere moments, but with the latest on the moments, but with the latest on tne ttttnte— moments, but with the latest on the titanic drama— the titanic drama polly middlehurst— the titanic drama polly middlehurst . “j?“ the titanic drama polly- middlehurst . dan, thank you. middlehurst. dan, thank you. well, the top story tonight is the sad news that the expedition company of the titan submersible say they believe the pilot and four passengers on board the titan submersible that was on its way to see the titanic wreckage below the north atlantic ocean are all dead. ocean gate pilot and ceo stockton rush uk citizens. hamish harding, shahzada dawood sherwood and his son sulaiman dawood and the french national paul henri gnanduillet lost contact with their support ship on sunday, an hour and 45 minutes into their descent to

the wreckage of the titanic, the us coastguard confirming this evening their bodies may never be recovered remotely . operated be recovered remotely. operated vehicles had found a debris area and had found sections of the submersible and it will remain on scene to develop a theory, a timeline of what actually happened. timeline of what actually happened . rear admiral john happened. rear admiral john mauger said the five pieces of debns mauger said the five pieces of debris found in the search for the missing sub earlier today were consistent with a catastrophic loss of pressure in rov or remote operated vehicle , rov or remote operated vehicle, all from the vessel horizon . an all from the vessel horizon. an arctic discovered the tailcone of arctic discovered the tailcone et tne — arctic discovered the tailcone et tne ttttn— arctic discovered the tailcone of the titan submersible . of the titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the bow approximately 1600 feet from the sen et— approximately 1600 feet from the sen et tne — approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic— approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic on the eettteen— bow of the titanic on the eettteen .— bow of the titanic on the seafloor . the— bow of the titanic on the seafloor . the rov subsequently seafloor. the rov subsequently tennt— seafloor. the rov subsequently found additional— seafloor. the rov subsequently found additional debris in consultation— found additional debris in consultation with experts from vttntn — consultation with experts from vttntn tne — consultation with experts from within the unified command. the

tenn— within the unified command. the tesnn n— within the unified command. the debris is consistent— within the unified command. the debris is consistent with the etttetnennte— debris is consistent with the catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber. well here in the pressure chamber. well here in tne nn— pressure chamber. well here in tne nt, tne— pressure chamber. well here in the uk, the foreign secretary nnee— the uk, the foreign secretary james cleverly,— the uk, the foreign secretary james cleverly, has paid tribute , tvveettnt— james cleverly, has paid tribute , tweeting tragic— james cleverly, has paid tribute , tweeting tragic news that tneee— , tweeting tragic news that tneee en — , tweeting tragic news that those on the— , tweeting tragic news that those on the titan submersible, tnetnttnt— those on the titan submersible, including three— those on the titan submersible, including three british etttzene— including three british citizens, have been lost tettevtnt— citizens, have been lost following an _ citizens, have been lost following an international een— following an international search operation . search operation. the uk government is closely supporting the families affected and expresses our deepest condolences as well. today's other top story, the bank of england raised the interest rate by half a percentage point , up by half a percentage point, up to 5. now the highest rate in 15 years. as the bank tried to tackle inflation, the bank's governor, andrew bailey, said onune governor, andrew bailey, said online inflation is still too high and must be dealt with. but he added if we don't raise rates now, it will be worse later. it's the 13th time in a row the bank has increased the interest rate. the labour leader, sir keir starmer, said . it's 13 keir starmer, said. it's 13 years of conservative government

failure. speaking to a warehouse in kent, this afternoon, the prime minister, though, said there is no easy fix, but halving inflation is still his top priority . he rooting out top priority. he rooting out tnttttten— top priority. he rooting out inflation is— top priority. he rooting out inflation is not— lat he rooting out inflation is not easy. it netntnee— inflation is not easy. it requires difficult decisions . requires difficult decisions. neeen-t— requires difficult decisions. doesn't happen overnight, but if we ten-t— doesn't happen overnight, but if we ten-t tet— doesn't happen overnight, but if we ten-t tet en— doesn't happen overnight, but if we don't get on top of it, it eentt— we don't get on top of it, it ventt tntt— we don't get on top of it, it would just get— we don't get on top of it, it would just get worse and it eentt— would just get worse and it ventt ttet— would just get worse and it would last longer. and that's net— would last longer. and that's net going— would last longer. and that's net going te— would last longer. and that's not going to do— would last longer. and that's not going to do anyone any ttvnn ttn— not going to do anyone any favours. it's not— not going to do anyone any favours. it's not going to be teet— favours. it's not going to be teet ten— favours. it's not going to be teet ten ven— favours. it's not going to be good for you and families good for you and your families in good for you and your families tnnnn- ant- good for you and your families in-run. and even- good for you and your families in run. and even though in the long run. and even though it in the long run. and even though tt netn— in the long run. and even though it means they'll— in the long run. and even though it means they'll have to make some-decisions,- it means they'll have to make some decisions, that's some difficult decisions, that's the some difficult decisions, that's tne—tnntetn- the type of prime minister i am teetne— the type of prime minister i am teetnee-te— the type of prime minister i am because _to do- the type of prime minister i am because _to do the- the type of prime minister i am because to do the right because i want to do the right tntnt— because i want to do the right tntnt ten— because i want to do the right tntnt ten ven— because i want to do the right thing for you and— because i want to do the right thing for you and your families in thing for you and your families tn tne— thing for you and your families tn tne tent— thing for you and your families in the long term.— thing for you and your families in the long term. _ thing for you and your families in the long term. \tt2tti 3 in the long term. now, at royal ascot today, one particular horse has caused quite an upset, winning norfolk at an winning the norfolk stakes at an odds of 150 to 1 valiant force fidden odds of 150 to 1 valiant force ridden by jockey ross o'brien becomes the longest priced winner at ascot in its racing history. meanwhile, one of the king and queen's horses desert hero, won the king george the fifth stakes in a photo finish. charles and camilla looking

ecstatic as they were photographed watching their 18 to 1 thoroughbred claim victory . you're up to date on tv online .you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app here with gb news, britain's news . news. channel tomorrow's news site now in our mediabuzz and the first front pages are in one story dominating as you'd expect the metro leads with the tragic news that five titanic explorers have died. their headline titan five ttet— died. their headline titan five ttet tn— died. their headline titan five died in implode— died. their headline titan five died in implode .— t: t2t: their headline titan five died in implode . on the died in implode. on the independent— died in implode. on the independent headline says sub setnen— independent headline says sub setnen tntt— independent headline says sub search ends in— independent headline says sub search ends in tragedy as debris tevette— search ends in tragedy as debris reveals implosion— search ends in tragedy as debris reveals implosion five on board the reveals implosion five on board tne tennnt— reveals implosion five on board the tourist submersible died as vvneettte— the tourist submersible died as wreckage found— the tourist submersible died as wreckage found near the ttttnte-e— wreckage found near the titanic's bow— wreckage found near the titanic's bow indicates catastrophic- titanic's bow indicates catastrophic loss of pressure .

catastrophic loss of pressure. tve-ne— catastrophic loss of pressure. we're actually— catastrophic loss of pressure. we're actually going to be enetttnt— we're actually going to be enetttnt te— we're actually going to be speaking to the founder of eeetnttte— speaking to the founder of oceangate very shortly . but oceangate very shortly. but na— oceangate very shortly. but ttnt nv— oceangate very shortly. but first, my superstar panel. back vttn— first, my superstar panel. back vvttn nne— first, my superstar panel. back vvttn tne— first, my superstar panel. back with me, the broadcaster and eetnnnnt— with me, the broadcaster and columnist carol— with me, the broadcaster and columnist carol mcgiffin, the tennen— columnist carol mcgiffin, the former conservative cabinet ntnnten— former conservative cabinet minister, randall jayawardena, and minister, randall jayawardena, tnt tne— minister, randall jayawardena, and the author— minister, randall jayawardena, and the author and broadcaster amy— and the author and broadcaster amy atenett— and the author and broadcaster amy ntenett .— and the author and broadcaster amy nicholl . now, britain's amy nicholl. now, britain's ttntnettt— amy nicholl. now, britain's financial storm _ amy nicholl. now, britain's financial storm threatened to tnnn— financial storm threatened to tnnn tntt— financial storm threatened to tnnn tnte t— financial storm threatened to turn into a tsunami today with the turn into a tsunami today with tne ntnn— turn into a tsunami today with tne stnt et— turn into a tsunami today with the bank of england's shock tnteneet— the bank of england's shock interest rate _ the bank of england's shock interest rate rise— the bank of england's shock interest rate rise to 5. and ttn— interest rate rise to 5. and tt-e tnnt— interest rate rise to 5. and tt-e tnet going— interest rate rise to 5. and it's just going to go up over tne— it's just going to go up over tne next— it's just going to go up over the next few— it's just going to go up over the next few months. the move tntttetet— the next few months. the move inflicted more— the next few months. the move inflicted more pain on cash etntnnet— inflicted more pain on cash strapped brits,— inflicted more pain on cash strapped brits, not least those on strapped brits, not least those en vtnttste— strapped brits, not least those on variable mortgages whose ntvnente— on variable mortgages whose ntvnente ntve— on variable mortgages whose payments have rocketed by up to attes— payments have rocketed by up to ataoo t— payments have rocketed by up to £1,400 a month.— payments have rocketed by up to £1,400 a month. a— payments have rocketed by up to £1,400 a month. a looming recession heaps— £1,400 a month. a looming recession heaps yet more pressure on rishi sunak, who was ttntntstv— pressure on rishi sunak, who was laughably billed— pressure on rishi sunak, who was laughably billed as a safe pair of laughably billed as a safe pair et ntnte— laughably billed as a safe pair of hands when— laughably billed as a safe pair of hands when he— laughably billed as a safe pair of hands when he ousted the best tnne— of hands when he ousted the best prime minister— of hands when he ousted the best prime minister we— of hands when he ousted the best prime minister we never really ntt— prime minister we never really ntt tne— prime minister we never really ntt tne sett— prime minister we never really had the bold liz— prime minister we never really had the bold liz truss last vett— had the bold liz truss last vetn. tneee— had the bold liz truss last year. these were the pm's mealy nentnet— year. these were the pm's mealy mouthed comments on the nntetttnt— mouthed comments on the unfolding crisis— mouthed comments on the unfolding crisis earlier today. tn— unfolding crisis earlier today. t-n tene— unfolding crisis earlier today. t-n nene te— unfolding crisis earlier today. i'm here to tell— unfolding crisis earlier today. i'm here to tell you that i am tettttv— i'm here to tell you that i am tettttv toen— i'm here to tell you that i am totally 100% on— i'm here to tell you that i am totally 100% on it— i'm here to tell you that i am

totally 100% on it and it is totally100% on it and it is going— totally100% on it and it is going te— totally100% on it and it is going te te— totally 100% on it and it is going to be okay and we are going— going to be okay and we are going te— going to be okay and we are going te tet— going to be okay and we are going to get through this and tntt— going to get through this and tntt n— going to get through this and tntt n tne— going to get through this and that is the most— going to get through this and that is the most important tntnt. — that is the most important tntnt. t— that is the most important thing. i wanted— that is the most important thing. i wanted to let you know today-— thing. i wanted to let you know tettv. nev— thing. i wanted to let you know tettv. nev ven— thing. i wanted to let you know today. now you should know, ttet,— today. now you should know, on, t— today. now you should know, on, t tnee— today. now you should know, look, i know this— today. now you should know, look, i know this won't make it any— look, i know this won't make it tnv enten— look, i know this won't make it tnv tnt— look, i know this won't make it any easier, but we're any easier, but what we're grappling— any easier, but what we're grappling-is- any easier, but what we're- grappling-is something grappling with here is something that grappling with here is something tntt ntnv— grappling with here is something that many countries around the vent— that many countries around the vent-tne— that many countries around the world also grappling with at world are also grappling with at the world are also grappling with at tne—vte— world are also grappling with at tne—we te- world are also grappling with at the—we are right. the same time as we are right nev-teet- the same time as we are right _teet tt- the same time as we are right now. look at interest now. so if you look at interest nttee— now. so if you look at interest rates-australia,— now. so if you look at interest rates-australia, in- now. so if you look at interest rates australia, in canada, rates in australia, in canada, in rates in australia, in canada, tn-zetttnt— rates in australia, in canada, tn-zetttnt .— rates in australia, in canada, in zealand , across the in new zealand, across the vent— in new zealand, across the world, they're _ in new zealand, across the world, they're all at high even.— world, they're all at high levels. actually, interest rates in levels. actually, interest rates tn enneee— levels. actually, interest rates tn tnnene te— levels. actually, interest rates in europe are the— levels. actually, interest rates in europe are the highest tnev-ve— in europe are the highest they've been— in europe are the highest they've been in for 20 years teetne— they've been in for 20 years because they're _ they've been in for 20 years because they're all grappling vttn—tne- because they're all grapplingi vttn—tne-vtv with inflation in the same way tntt— with inflation in the same way tntt-tne.— with inflation in the same way tntt-tne. tttnv— with inflation in the same way that-are. many of- with inflation in the same way that are. many of you that we are. many of you may ntve— that we are. many of you may have friends— that we are. many of you may have friends or— that we are. many of you may have friends or-in- that we are. many of you may have friends or in those have friends or family in those ntteee— have friends or family in those ntteee-ven— have friends or family in those places,-you spoke- have friends or family in those places, you spoke to places, and if you spoke to tten— places, and if you spoke to tnen, tnev-t— places, and if you spoke to them, they'd tell you the same tntnt. — them, they'd tell you the same tntnt. nev— them, they'd tell you the same thing. now that— them, they'd tell you the same thing. now that doesn't make it any_l- thing. now that doesn't make it tnv—t knowl any easier. of course i know tntt.— any easier. of course i know tntt. nnt— any easier. of course i know that. but it's— any easier. of course i know that. but it's important for you to that. but it's important for you te tnee— that. but it's important for you te tnevv tntt— that. but it's important for you to know that-not- that. but it's important for you to know that not alone in to know that we're not alone in tetttnt— to know that we're not alone in etnnet-tnn— to know that we're not alone in dealing this. sunday dealing with this. sunday teteontnn— dealing with this. sunday telegraph editor alastair heath. tetty— today, though, called the mess tnnv— fishy rishi's mensis horribilis the fishy rishi's mensis horribilis tne nentn— fishy rishi's mensis horribilis the month when— fishy rishi's mensis horribilis the month when the tory house of etnte— the month when the tory house of etnte ttntttv— the month when the tory house of cards finally came— the month when the tory house of cards finally came crashing tenn— cards finally came crashing tevn. ne— cards finally came crashing down. he reckons regardless of the down. he reckons regardless of tne ttte— down. he reckons regardless of the pm's performance from now nnttt— the pm's performance from now nnttt tne— the pm's performance from now until the general— the pm's performance from now until the general election, it eentt— until the general election, it ventt te— until the general election, it would be quote— until the general election, it would be quote impossible to entte— would be quote impossible to entte ett— would be quote impossible to shake off the— would be quote impossible to

shake off the general stench of ttttnne— shake off the general stench of ttttnne tntt— shake off the general stench of failure that emanates from the oevennent — failure that emanates from the government. so— failure that emanates from the government. so ranil jayawardene, you were in liz tnnet-e— jayawardene, you were in liz truss's cabinet. _ jayawardene, you were in liz truss's cabinet. she tried to tvett— truss's cabinet. she tried to tvett tnn. — truss's cabinet. she tried to avoid this. everything she did economically— avoid this. everything she did economically that she was forced out economically that she was forced ent et— economically that she was forced ent et etttee— economically that she was forced out of office for,— economically that she was forced out of office for, which was to tvett— out of office for, which was to tvett tnn— out of office for, which was to avoid this total— out of office for, which was to avoid this total catastrophe nent— avoid this total catastrophe nent e— avoid this total catastrophe ntont t ett— avoid this total catastrophe right ? did we— avoid this total catastrophe right? did we get it avoid this total catastrophe right ? did we get it wrong? did right? did we get it wrong? did venn— right? did we get it wrong? did venn ntntv— right? did we get it wrong? did your party get— right? did we get it wrong? did your party get it_ right? did we get it wrong? did your party get it wrong? getting rid your party get it wrong? getting ntt et— your party get it wrong? getting ntt et tnnte— your party get it wrong? getting rid of truss ? _ your party get it wrong? getting rid of truss ? well,— your party get it wrong? getting rid of truss ? �*va�*t2;.. rid of truss? well, as you say, we did try. we were going for and i hate this term, the supply side reforms. it's just, you know, direct hitting the economy, cutting taxes. we tried, , you know, the tried, but, you know, the economic establishment was dead set against us and we're now seeing the consequences of not taking those bold, bold, brave decisions. and this is the point that actually a lot of this is outside of politics. a lot of this is the bank of england, the bank of england's mandate hasn't changed since gordon brown created it in 97. and there were too slow to act. and the

governor has— too slow to act. and the governor has been- ?ti.. and the governor has been a disaster. snentt— governor has been a disaster. snentt ne— governor has been a disaster. snentt ne tee— governor has been a disaster. should he go? well you know, i'm not should he go? well you know, i'm net t— should he go? well you know, i'm net t ttn— should he go? well you know, i'm net t ttn et— should he go? well you know, i'm not a fan of what— should he go? well you know, i'm not a fan of what he— should he go? well you know, i'm not a fan of what he has done. ant— not a fan of what he has done. ant eentttntv— not a fan of what he has done. ant eentttntv t— not a fan of what he has done. and certainly i think— not a fan of what he has done. and certainly i think he- not a fan of what he has done. and certainly i think he and the monetary policy committee should have acted much more quickly than they may have done. if you look at the us, the fed there, they acted more quickly and we could have avoided the pain that people are facing. i mean, if the people are facing. i mean, if tne nene— people are facing. i mean, if tne te— people are facing. i mean, if the issue is, is— people are facing. i mean, if the issue is, is the- it?2; ?ti. “g i mean, if the issue is, is the economic establishment— the issue is, is the economic establishment didn't want truss to establishment didn't want truss te tnv— establishment didn't want truss te tnv tnt— establishment didn't want truss te tnv tnt te— establishment didn't want truss to try and do anything dramatic , ttn— to try and do anything dramatic , tt-e ttneet— to try and do anything dramatic , it's almost as— to try and do anything dramatic , it's almost as if— to try and do anything dramatic , it's almost as if they want us to , it's almost as if they want us te ttt— , it's almost as if they want us te tttt .— , it's almost as if they want us te tttt . ven— , it's almost as if they want us to fail . you just— , it's almost as if they want us to fail . you just took the words to fail. you just took the words nent— to fail. you just took the words nent ent— to fail. you just took the words ntont ent et— to fail. you just took the words ntont ent et nv— to fail. you just took the words right out of my mouth . �*vaa’“«t7’ right out of my mouth. why? why,— right out of my mouth. why? why etett— right out of my mouth. why? why etnete vvnv— right out of my mouth. �*vaa’“«t7’ why, carol? why though? what's tentnt— why, carol? why though? what's tentnt tt— why, carol? why though? what's tentnt tt e— why, carol? why though? what's behind it .7 well,— why, carol? why though? what's behind it .7 well, is— why, carol? why though? what's behind it? well, is it to prove tntt— behind it? well, is it to prove tntt snevtt— behind it? well, is it to prove that brexit that. _ behind it? well, is it to prove that brexit that. at? behind it? well, is it to prove that brexit that. \t2t behind it? well, is it to prove that brexit that. at? that brexit that. no, no, no, no . ttttt— that brexit that. no, no, no, no . mark carney couldn't say everything about brexit. he blames everything on brexit. he's still going on about it. and he's even the governor and he's not even the governor anymore. and. and i, i do think that the way that this has been donein that the way that this has been done in a way, it has to be deliberate. why i'll come to it

in a minute. but it has been done deliberately because they could have they could have raised interest rates sooner , raised interest rates sooner, but more slowly . and now it's but more slowly. and now it's just going like up like that. it's gone up a whole half of a% today. and that's huge. that is quite a lot. but the thing is, what you have to remember that the interest rates are still only 5. you know, there was a time when i remember paying 15% back the 90s, late 80s, 90s, back in the 90s, late 80s, 90s, and you know, i don't want them to back there, but 5% is to go back there, but 5% is still quite low and the people have have been lulled into a false sense of security that interest rates always going interest rates were always going to 1% or so. so small to be below 1% or so. so small people kept remortgaging to what happened over covid printing money slashed the interest rates, and amy, i mean, exactly. this is going to be great news in this is going to be great news tn tenne— this is going to be great news tn tenne et— this is going to be great news in terms of getting in a labour tevennent— in terms of getting in a labour government. they're not going to be government. they're not going to tee-te— government. they're not going to se-te eent— government. they're not going to se-te eent ent— government. they're not going to be-to sort out this- government. they're not going to be to sort out this mess be able to sort out this mess tnentn— be able to sort out this mess tnentn te— be able to sort out this mess though, are they— be able to sort out this mess though, are they ? i think they though, are they? i think they vttt— though, are they? i think they will because _ though, are they? i think they will because tax— though, are they? i think they will because tax and spending tteetetv— will because tax and spending ideology promotes ideology actually promotes tnevtn— ideology actually promotes growth unlike. t: . growth unlike. so i'd like to know just proven by

know they've just been proven by all the independent bodies to all of the independent bodies to be overspending. they have to etten— be overspending. they have to etten ttt— be overspending. they have to etten ttt et— be overspending. they have to slash all of their— be overspending. they have to slash all of their policy- slash all of their policy etetten.— slash all of their policy pledges. that's investment. �*7 pledges. that's investment. if you— pledges. that's investment. if ven tnveet— pledges. that's investment. if ven tnveet .— pledges. that's investment. if you invest , it's— pledges. that's investment. if you invest , it's taxpayers- you invest, it's taxpayers profit and you grow the economy in this spending, spending and higher taxes, investment . it's higher taxes, investment. it's not. it is. gordon brown grew the economy in two years. more more than than with respect you're not you're really not going to defend gordon brown's economic. well what i really remember the _ economic. well what i really remember the note- i ti. well what i really remember the note that his oevennnent— remember the note that his government is— remember the note that his government is a— remember the note that his government is a joke. a23 : government is a joke. everybody enene— government is a joke. everybody knows the note was a joke. so it happens to be true. but can i can i. i want to i want to pull you up on something because you said we tried and we made a mistake. is true. you mistake. and that is true. you have made your government have made a mistake. not sure you made a mistake. i'm not sure you you something it you tried something and it didn't i we tried. didn't work. i said we tried. when government tries when the government tries something doesn't work, something and it doesn't work, why do we have to we why do we have to pay? we have to for failures and to pay for your failures and that simply not true. we that is simply not true. we tried by getting the- we tried by getting the supply side neennnte— tried by getting the supply side neennnte ent— tried by getting the supply side reforms out there— tried by getting the supply side reforms out there like building neneee. — reforms out there like building neneee. ven— reforms out there like building houses. you know, we need to nnttt— houses. you know, we need to tnttt t— houses. you know, we need to build a million— houses. you know, we need to build a million new homes in

tenten— build a million new homes in london. that's— build a million new homes in london. that's people want london. that's what people want .-te— london. that's what people want .-te neennnt — london. that's what people want .-to reform the- london. that's what people want . to reform the system. . we need to reform the system. tntt-e— . we need to reform the system. tntt-e-ve— . we need to reform the system. that's-we tried _ . we need to reform the system. that's-we tried-do. - . we need to reform the system. that's we tried do. but that's what we tried to do. but ntte,— that's what we tried to do. but sadly eenne— that's what we tried to do. but sadly, some people didn't want tntt— sadly, some people didn't want tntt-nev— sadly, some people didn't want tnttlnev-tetnt- sadly, some people didn't want that-how-going to. that to how are we going to tttent— that to how are we going to afford those _ that to how are we going to afford those houses? �*va�*t2; : afford those houses? we should just that i do think that just say that i, i do think that there is something in the government make government trying to make everybody think they everybody poorer. i think they really to be poor really want people to be poor and i think they really want them be struggling because them to be struggling because over didn't it? well, over covid didn't it? well, exactly. they everything exactly. they shut everything down on when they knew down on purpose when they knew they have to. and then they didn't have to. and then they didn't have to. and then they started printing money the worst mervyn worst possible time, as mervyn king this week, the king said this week, the previous governor of the bank of england, they just gave england, and they just gave money away to people people money away to people and people were well, you're were just like, well, you're right, have to work. right, i don't have to work. you're right. we printed money tnt— you're right. we printed money tnt-nneen— you're right. we printed money and-brown print- you're right. we printed money and-brown print a- you're right. we printed money and brown print a load of and gordon brown print a load of nenev— and gordon brown print a load of nenev tnt— and gordon brown print a load of nenev tnt-t— and gordon brown print a load of money and-a lot— and gordon brown print a load of money and-a lot of- and gordon brown print a load of money and a lot of money money and yes, a lot of money enen.— money and yes, a lot of money enen—ttt- grew. the economy had completely, megxit said, we completely, as megxit said, we didn't need to do it. we need to do it. final word. amy carroll makes the point this government may want to make people poorer where certain people, where they do. certain people, working want working people, but they want to make richer, richer, make the rich richer, richer, fichen make the rich richer, richer, richer. measures richer. and the measures austerity working people austerity made working people poorer. brexit made people

poorer. brexit made people poorer and socialist line on thing from rishi sunak and as liz typekit as liz truss told you in leigh last week, amy, why does socialism never work now? look nearly everyone's had their say look nearly everyone's had their etv-senettett- say on phillip schofield eetnttt— say on phillip schofield scandal, perhaps say on phillip schofield scandal,-perhaps most scandal, but perhaps the most tnnenttnt— scandal, but perhaps the most tnnenttnt-et- scandal, but perhaps the most important-of all- scandal, but perhaps the most important of all yet to important person of all yet to ttve— important person of all yet to ttve-ette— important person of all yet to ttve-ntte nev- important person of all yet to give side now though, give their side now though, the young— give their side now though, the vennt-nneen— young man himself who had a tune— young man himself who had a tttnt vvttn— young man himself who had a tttnt vttn-ex— young man himself who had a fling with ex presenter is fling with the ex presenter is nentnet— fling with the ex presenter is nenentetlte— fling with the ex presenter is reported be ready and poised reported to be ready and poised to reported to be ready and poised te enttt— reported to be ready and poised te nnttt tne— reported to be ready and poised to spill the beans.— reported to be ready and poised to spill the beans. no and now as person ex schofield's former tnn— as person ex schofield's formeri ttn—tee this morning runner is set to be tntzzet— this morning runner is set to be tntzzet by— this morning runner is set to be tntzzet by tne— this morning runner is set to be quizzed by the barrister conducting— quizzed by the barrister conducting itv's external investigation— conducting itv's external investigation into the affair. ttv— investigation into the affair. ttv enten— investigation into the affair. itv chief carolyn itv chief executive carolyn tteettt— itv chief executive carolyn mccall told _ itv chief executive carolyn mccall told mps last week that senettett— mccall told mps last week that schofield was _ mccall told mps last week that schofield was confronted 112 tnee— schofield was confronted 112 ttnee ttent— schofield was confronted 112 times about the _ schofield was confronted 112 times about the relationship , times about the relationship, nnt— times about the relationship, nnt eenneee— times about the relationship, but sources close to the lad ntve— but sources close to the lad have dramatically revealed he was never asked— have dramatically revealed he was never asked .— have dramatically revealed he was never asked . they said it was never asked. they said it ettt— was never asked. they said it vttt te— was never asked. they said it vttt te nn— was never asked. they said it will be his chance to have his say— will be his chance to have his etv .— will be his chance to have his etv . tt— will be his chance to have his etv . tt eentt— will be his chance to have his say . it could most- will be his chance to have his say . it could most definitely say. it could most definitely tett— say. it could most definitely tett te— say. it could most definitely lead to some— say. it could most definitely lead to some difficult reading for lead to some difficult reading ten ttv— lead to some difficult reading for itv bosses— lead to some difficult reading for itv bosses if— lead to some difficult reading for itv bosses if it turns out tntt— for itv bosses if it turns out tntt-ne— for itv bosses if it turns out that-he wasn't- for itv bosses if it turns out that he wasn't asked that he says he wasn't asked ttent— that he says he wasn't asked ttent tne— that he says he wasn't asked about the relationship 12 times. so about the relationship 12 times. se etnet— about the relationship 12 times. so carol mcgiffin,— about the relationship 12 times. so carol mcgiffin, you obviously vennet— so carol mcgiffin, you obviously ventet vttn— so carol mcgiffin, you obviously worked with this— so carol mcgiffin, you obviously worked with this young runner on teete— worked with this young runner on teeee venen— worked with this young runner on loose women when— worked with this young runner on loose women when you were a ntnettnt— loose women when you were a panellist there. _ loose women when you were a panellist there. we can't name ttn.— panellist there. we can't name ntn. tet-e— panellist there. we can't name ntn. tet-e tnnt— panellist there. we can't name him. let's just be— panellist there. we can't name

him. let's just be clear about tntt— him. let's just be clear about tntt .— him. let's just be clear about tntt . nnt— him. let's just be clear about tntt . nnt ttn— him. let's just be clear about that . but it's interesting, that. but it's interesting, ten-t— that. but it's interesting, nn-t n,— that. but it's interesting, isn't it, that— that. but it's interesting, isn't it, that increasingly tnene— isn't it, that increasingly tnene n— isn't it, that increasingly there is briefing coming out tntn— there is briefing coming out tnen netete— there is briefing coming out from people close to him saying tntt— from people close to him saying tntt ttv— from people close to him saying tntt ttv tnt— from people close to him saying that itv and schofield's version of that itv and schofield's version et evenn— that itv and schofield's version et event te— that itv and schofield's version of events do not— that itv and schofield's version of events do not match his . of events do not match his. um, vett— of events do not match his. um, vett .— of events do not match his. um, vett . vett— of events do not match his. um, well , we'll find— of events do not match his. um, well, we'll find out. _ of events do not match his. um, well , we'll find out. i- of events do not match his. um, well, we'll find out. i hope. but i'm not holding my breath because i don't think itv will because i don't think itv will be even slightly worried about what he might say. i'm sure. i'm sure they already know what he could say, but i don't think that will come out in this investigation and this is this still the parliamentary investigation . so this is their investigation. so this is their own the independent cases. yeah. the one that they supposedly did before law, but they got nothing from it . and with the lawyers from it. and with the lawyers involved as well, with philip engaging the lawyers for the runner , for the young man, it's runner, for the young man, it's like, what are they still trying to hide? what is being covered up here? although it's interesting,— .. “t2;it2;7’ although it's interesting, though, there has seen— interesting, though, there has teen t— interesting, though, there has teen t entnte— interesting, though, there has

been a change on that front. they— been a change on that front. they revealed— been a change on that front. they revealed at— been a change on that front. they revealed at the select eenntttee— they revealed at the select committee or— they revealed at the select committee or john nicholson committee orjohn nicholson nevettet— committee orjohn nicholson nevettet tt— committee orjohn nicholson revealed at the— committee orjohn nicholson revealed at the select committee tnev— revealed at the select committee tnev vent— revealed at the select committee tnev vent tn— revealed at the select committee tnev vent tn nne— revealed at the select committee they work in pro bono. actually are they work in pro bono. actually vennnt— they work in pro bono. actually vennnt nne— they work in pro bono. actually are working pro bono. this idea tntt— are working pro bono. this idea that schofield _ are working pro bono. this idea that schofield is— are working pro bono. this idea that schofield is paying for it .tntt-e— that schofield is paying for it now, that's engaged. now, now that's engaged. i ttenet— now, now that's engaged. i though—them] now, now that's engaged. ii though—them. he now, now that's engaged. i- though_them. he did. though he engaged them. he did. but but this is a very credible eenntnv— but but this is a very credible eenntnv tnt— but but this is a very credible company and they are working pro tene. — company and they are working pro tene. t— company and they are working pro tene. ttntnt— company and they are working pro bono. i think that— company and they are working pro bono. i think that suggests tnene-e— bono. i think that suggests there's more— bono. i think that suggests there's more to— bono. i think that suggests there's more to reveal here. i mean, rhiannon,— there's more to reveal here. i mean, rhiannon, what you mean, rhiannon, what do you tntnt— mean, rhiannon, what do you tnnn-tnn— mean, rhiannon, what do you think-this story?- mean, rhiannon, what do you think this story? because think about this story? because as think about this story? because te—tt— think about this story? because te—tt n— think about this story? because te—tt n tntte- as you know, it is quite a serious cover— as you know, it is quite a serious cover up, is it? not? by no— serious cover up, is it? not? by itv, potentially,— serious cover up, is it? not? by itv, potentially, yeah. “ itv, potentially, yeah. i mean, teen.— itv, potentially, yeah. i mean, teen-et— itv, potentially, yeah. i mean, teet-et ttt— itv, potentially, yeah. i mean, look,-of all, i— itv, potentially, yeah. i mean, look, of all, i don't look, first of all, i don't i don't ever want to opine on people's personal lives at and i think he said that it's unwise but not illegal. so i think that's sort of a starting point. but i mean, here we have further proof, just like the bbc and jemmy savile. these these are the sorts of things that happen in the mainstream media. they pretend that they are to pretend that they are angels to everyone else and actually they cover themselves. and cover up for themselves. and that's why this story- cover up for themselves. and that's why this story is- that's why this story is tnntttn.— that's why this story is important. i- that's why this story is important. i think you're right. it's important. i think you're right. ttn-nentne- important. i think you're right. it's nothing. people it's actually nothing. people ten-t— it's actually nothing. people ten-t tet— it's actually nothing. people don't get this. _ it's actually nothing. people don't get this. they think that it's don't get this. they think that tt-e-tnttttn— don't get this. they think that it's phillip schofield it's about phillip schofield ttte. — it's about phillip schofield

ttte. ln— it's about phillip schofield ttteln net— it's about phillip schofield life..is not at— it's about phillip schofield life. is not at all. it's life. it is not at all. it's ttent— life. it is not at all. it's ttent t— life. it is not at all. it's about a cover- life. it is not at all. it's about a cover up. amy nicole, enene— about a cover up. amy nicole, enene-ettnt- about a cover up. amy nicole, where-stand on- about a cover up. amy nicole, where stand on this one? where do you stand on this one? tvett.— where do you stand on this one? tvett. t— where do you stand on this one? well, i watched— where do you stand on this one? well, i watched the— well, i watched the parliamentary with parliamentary committee with eagle i'll just be eagle eyes. so i'll just be interested to see whether what this barrister finds out is, is the same as what carolyn mccall said in that parliamentary committee. and i think if there is any discrepancies , that's is any discrepancies, that's when if itv have nothing to hide and everything is and they said everything that they said was true, then they've got they've got nothing to worry about. but if it isn't, they've got something about. no. something to worry about. no. very did say that, very true. and itv did say that, jane— very true. and itv did say that, jane tnntetn,— very true. and itv did say that, jane mulcahy, kc— very true. and itv did say that, jane mulcahy, kc of blackstone enneen,— jane mulcahy, kc of blackstone chambers, has— jane mulcahy, kc of blackstone chambers, has been asked to etnnv— chambers, has been asked to etnnv ent— chambers, has been asked to etnnv ent tnn— chambers, has been asked to carry out this external review to carry out this external review te eettttnn— carry out this external review to establish the— carry out this external review to establish the facts of the senettett— to establish the facts of the schofield case.— to establish the facts of the schofield case. the chief executive,— schofield case. the chief executive, carolyn mccall, says ene— executive, carolyn mccall, says ene ntt— executive, carolyn mccall, says she will review— executive, carolyn mccall, says she will review our records and tttt— she will review our records and ttttlneente— she will review our records and talk people involved in this talk to people involved in this went.— talk to people involved in this work-consider- talk to people involved in this work. consider our work. we'll also consider our netevtnt— work. we'll also consider our relevant processes policies relevant processes and policies tnt— relevant processes and policiesi tnt—entnte relevant processes and policies- tnt—entnte en and whether we need to change or etnenttnen— and whether we need to change or strengthen _thoughl strengthen any, she says. though no strengthen any, she says. though ne evttenee— strengthen any, she says. though no evidence was— strengthen any, she says. though no evidence was brought to her or no evidence was brought to her en-tetn — no evidence was brought to her or-team during— no evidence was brought to her or team during the schofield or her team during the schofield tttttn— or her team during the schofield tttttn .— or her team during the schofield tttttn . anv— or her team during the schofield affair . amy nick— or her team during the schofield affair. amy nick gibb. ranil ttvtvtntent.— affair. amy nick gibb. ranil jayawardena. carol mcgiffin do ettnt—

jayawardena. carol mcgiffin do ettnt by— jayawardena. carol mcgiffin do stand by because— jayawardena. carol mcgiffin do stand by because coming up, as the stand by because coming up, as tne-ten— stand by because coming up, as tne-ten tennen— stand by because coming up, as the top former equalities the uk's top former equalities commissioner,— the uk's top former equalities commissioner, sir— the uk's top former equalities commissioner, sir trevor enttten— commissioner, sir trevor phillips blasts the sussexes for nntenotvtttv— phillips blasts the sussexes for unforgivably squandering a etetten— unforgivably squandering a golden chance— unforgivably squandering a golden chance to show the best of golden chance to show the best et nnttttn. — golden chance to show the best of britain. _right- golden chance to show the best of britain. right that no of britain. is he right that no one cared about— of britain. is he right that no one cared about meghan's raise? my one cared about meghan's raise? ttv-ntnet— one cared about meghan's raise? my-panel returned- one cared about meghan's raise? my panel returned to my superstar panel returned to testte— my superstar panel returned to debate - shortly. _ my superstar panel returned to debate shortly. but next, debate that shortly. but next, as debate that shortly. but next, te-ttve— debate that shortly. but next, as-five titanic— debate that shortly. but next, as five titanic explorers as the five titanic explorers are confirmed— as the five titanic explorers are confirmed dead after their ent— are confirmed dead after their sub suffered— are confirmed dead after their sub suffered a— are confirmed dead after their sub suffered a catastrophic tnntetten— sub suffered a catastrophic implosion, i'm— sub suffered a catastrophic implosion, i'm joined by two men nne— implosion, i'm joined by two men vvne tnee— implosion, i'm joined by two men vvne tnevv tne— implosion, i'm joined by two men who knew the crew— implosion, i'm joined by two men who knew the crew closely. ttttnte— who knew the crew closely. titanic expert— who knew the crew closely. titanic expert craig soap and a eteee— titanic expert craig soap and a eteee tntent— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of the— titanic expert craig soap and a close friend of the pilot, paul nent.— close friend of the pilot, paul nennv. tttet— close friend of the pilot, paul henry. nigel and— close friend of the pilot, paul henry. nigel and guillermo sunleyt— henry. nigel and guillermo sunleyt vvte— henry. nigel and guillermo sunley, who is— henry. nigel and guillermo sunley, who is the founder and enten— sunley, who is the founder and chief executive _ sunley, who is the founder and chief executive of— sunley, who is the founder and chief executive of oceangate ette. — chief executive of oceangate ette. t-n — chief executive of oceangate ette. t-n going— chief executive of oceangate gate. i'm going to give their ttnt— gate. i'm going to give their first response— gate. i'm going to give their first response straight after tnn— first response straight after tnn .—

through until 7:00 this evening. gb through until 7:00 this evening. es aene— through until 7:00 this evening. es tene tne— through until 7:00 this evening. gb news the people's . channel gb news the people's. channel vteteente— gb news the people's. channel vteteenne ttet. — gb news the people's. channel welcome back. and— gb news the people's. channel welcome back. and breaking tonight , welcome back. and breaking tonight, rescue is looking for the missing titan submarine in the missing titan submarine in the north atlantic have confirmed the vessel suffered a catastrophic implosion , killing catastrophic implosion, killing all five souls on board. it bnngs all five souls on board. it brings a tragic end to the story that's gripped the world. an rov or remote operated vehicle- g : : an rov or remote operated vehicle from the or remote operated vehicle from tne veeeet— or remote operated vehicle from the vessel horizon— or remote operated vehicle from the vessel horizon arctic discovered _ the vessel horizon arctic discovered the - the vessel horizon arctic discovered the tailcone of the ttttn — discovered the tailcone of the titan submersible. approximately teee— titan submersible. approximately teoo teet— titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet from _ titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the— titan submersible. approximately 1600 feet from the bow of the ttttnte— 1600 feet from the bow of the ttttnte en — 1600 feet from the bow of the

titanic on the— 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic on the seafloor . the rov titanic on the seafloor. the rov entnetnenttv— titanic on the seafloor. the rov subsequently found additional tenn— subsequently found additional tesnn tn— subsequently found additional debris in consultation with eenene— debris in consultation with eenene tnen — debris in consultation with experts from within the unified eennnntnt tne— experts from within the unified command. the debris is consistent— command. the debris is consistent with the catastrophic teee— consistent with the catastrophic teee et— consistent with the catastrophic teee et tne — consistent with the catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber. tntt— loss of the pressure chamber. tntt tettttte— loss of the pressure chamber. just terrible news. _ loss of the pressure chamber. just terrible news. i'm - loss of the pressure chamber. just terrible news. i'm joined live now by guillermo sohnlein. he is the former chief executive and the co—founder of oceangate, the firm that made the doomed sub who until earlier tonight said he remained hopeful. his friends and colleagues , friends and colleagues, including the ocean gate chief executive stockton rush, would be successfully rescued . so, be successfully rescued. so, guillermo, this must be an absolutely devastating night for you. firstly please take my condolences and the condolences of the audience . what's your of the audience. what's your reaction to the loss of the

submarine and especially your friend, the chief executive, stockton rush yeah, as you can imagine, it's a tragic loss for the families of the crew, for the families of the crew, for the crew, the team members who have spent the last four days feverishly trying to find and rescue their team—mates i've been dealing with this for the last three plus days and it's been a roller coaster ride of emotions for me. i can't even tntttne— emotions for me. i can't even tntotne nntt— emotions for me. i can't even imagine what it's— emotions for me. i can't even imagine what it's what- t2; i can't even imagine what it's what it's like for imagine what it's what it's like ten tnen— imagine what it's what it's like ten tnen .— imagine what it's what it's like ten tnen , nn— imagine what it's what it's like for them , uh, based on what for them, uh, based on what vnve— for them, uh, based on what vnve netnt— for them, uh, based on what you've heard from the coast entt— you've heard from the coast entnt, nntt— you've heard from the coast guard, what do— you've heard from the coast guard, what do you think ntnnenet— guard, what do you think ntnnenet t — guard, what do you think happened ? ' i guard, what do you think happened ? “i g guard, what do you think— happened ? and to tighten . well, happened? and to tighten. well, i happened? and to tighten. well, ttntnt— happened? and to tighten. well, ttntnt ttn— happened? and to tighten. well, i think it's premature— happened? and to tighten. well, i think it's premature for- i think it's premature for tnvtetv— i think it's premature for tnvsetv te— i think it's premature for anybody to speculate on what ntnnenet.— anybody to speculate on what ntnnenet. ttn— anybody to speculate on what happened. it's going to take dayst— happened. it's going to take dayst veet— happened. it's going to take days, weeks, months to collect tttt— days, weeks, months to collect tttt tnt— days, weeks, months to collect data and analyse— days, weeks, months to collect data and analyse the data and try data and analyse the data and tnv te— data and analyse the data and tnv te tonne— data and analyse the data and try to figure out— data and analyse the data and try to figure out what happened . nn— try to figure out what happened . nn nent— try to figure out what happened . nn, ntont nev— try to figure out what happened . uh, right now is— try to figure out what happened . uh, right now is ,_ try to figure out what happened . uh, right now is , is more a . uh, right now is, is more a ttne— . uh, right now is, is more a ttne te— . uh, right now is, is more a time to mourn— . uh, right now is, is more a time to mourn the loss of the crew members— time to mourn the loss of the crew members and to preserve

ttetn— crew members and to preserve tnetn tettetee. — crew members and to preserve their legacies. and there will eentttntv— their legacies. and there will eentttntv te— their legacies. and there will certainly be a— their legacies. and there will certainly be a time for, uh, for ntttnt— certainly be a time for, uh, for ntttnt tneee— certainly be a time for, uh, for making these kinds of assessments- making these kinds of assessments in the future. can you— assessments in the future. can ven tttt— assessments in the future. can ven tttt te— assessments in the future. can ven tttt te ne— assessments in the future. can you talk to me a— assessments in the future. can you talk to me a little bit ttent— you talk to me a little bit about stockton? 37 �*avaa“?. you talk to me a little bit- about stockton? rush? what was he like as a man, as a human being? so i first he like as a man, as a human being ? so i first met stockton being? so i first met stockton in being? so i first met stockton tn 2008,— being? so i first met stockton tn zoos, tnt— being? so i first met stockton in 2008, and then— “g7’ so i first met stockton in 2008, and then we co—founded eeetnette— in 2008, and then we co—founded eeetnette tn— in 2008, and then we co—founded oceangate in 2009.— in 2008, and then we co—founded oceangate in 2009. i was immediately— oceangate in 2009. i was immediately drawn to him because nen— immediately drawn to him because ne-e ene— immediately drawn to him because ne-e et— immediately drawn to him because ne-e et tne— immediately drawn to him because he's one of the most— immediately drawn to him because he's one of the most intelligent netete— he's one of the most intelligent neente tve— he's one of the most intelligent neente be even— he's one of the most intelligent people i've ever met. talented aerospace engineer, a passion explorer-— aerospace engineer, a passion explorer- ne— aerospace engineer, a passion explorer. he was— aerospace engineer, a passion explorer. he was very committed to explorer. he was very committed te nnenne— explorer. he was very committed te nnentno tne— explorer. he was very committed to pushing the bounds of nnntnttv-e— to pushing the bounds of humanity's knowledge of the vent-e— humanity's knowledge of the world's oceans— humanity's knowledge of the world's oceans in large parts so tntt— world's oceans in large parts so tntt ve— world's oceans in large parts so tntt ve eentt— world's oceans in large parts so that we could preserve the ocean . ant— that we could preserve the ocean . ant ne— that we could preserve the ocean . ant ne vvt— that we could preserve the ocean . and he was an— that we could preserve the ocean . and he was an incredible human eetne.— . and he was an incredible human tetnt. ne— . and he was an incredible human being- ne vvt— . and he was an incredible human being. he was also— . and he was an incredible human being. he was also ,_ . and he was an incredible human being. he was also , despite what being. he was also, despite what etten— being. he was also, despite what etnen ntve— being. he was also, despite what others have said— being. he was also, despite what others have said ,_ being. he was also, despite what others have said , very risk others have said, very risk averse . he was- others have said, very risk averse . he was very keenly aware averse. he was very keenly aware of averse. he was very keenly aware et tne— averse. he was very keenly aware et tne ttnten— averse. he was very keenly aware of the dangers of— averse. he was very keenly aware of the dangers of operating in the of the dangers of operating in tne teen— of the dangers of operating in the deep ocean— of the dangers of operating in the deep ocean .— of the dangers of operating in the deep ocean . he was very

the deep ocean. he was very eenntttet— the deep ocean. he was very committed to— the deep ocean. he was very committed to safety and believed that committed to safety and believed tntt evenv— committed to safety and believed tntt evenv ene— committed to safety and believed that every one of— committed to safety and believed that every one of the innovations- that every one of the innovations and anything he teettnet— innovations and anything he designed was— innovations and anything he designed was designed to expand the capabilities— designed was designed to expand the capabilities of— designed was designed to expand the capabilities of humanity , the capabilities of humanity, tetnntnt— the capabilities of humanity, learning about— the capabilities of humanity, learning about the oceans, but tne— learning about the oceans, but tne te— learning about the oceans, but tne te tne— learning about the oceans, but also to the capability of doing it also to the capability of doing tt te— also to the capability of doing tt te ettetv— also to the capability of doing it as safely as— also to the capability of doing it as safely as possible . it as safely as possible. i'm ettt— it as safely as possible. i'm glad venv— it as safely as possible. i'm glad you've said— it as safely as possible. i'm glad you've said that, because he has come in for some quite extraordinary abuse over the past few days, which i think is totally inappropriate, given that we didn't know if he were lost or not, given what his family was going through. but it sounds like, you feel pretty convinced that he wouldn't have cut corners here. no. and i tntnt— cut corners here. no. and i tntnt t— cut corners here. no. and i tntnt t tet— cut corners here. no. and i think a lot of— cut corners here. no. and i think a lot of the - i. i it“t2.2; no. and i think a lot of the folks that are commenting on this do have the are commenting on this do have tne evnentne— are commenting on this do have the expertise to— are commenting on this do have the expertise to form opinions ttte— the expertise to form opinions ttte tnn— the expertise to form opinions like this, but— the expertise to form opinions like this, but like— the expertise to form opinions like this, but like me, they ten-t— like this, but like me, they ten-t ntve— like this, but like me, they don't have all— like this, but like me, they don't have all of the data. and i don't have all of the data. and t tntnt— don't have all of the data. and t tntnt ttn— don't have all of the data. and i think it's really— don't have all of the data. and i think it's really a— don't have all of the data. and i think it's really a matter of vvttttnt— i think it's really a matter of waiting until— i think it's really a matter of waiting until we— i think it's really a matter of waiting until we have the data tnt— waiting until we have the data tnt ntve— waiting until we have the data tnt ntve t— waiting until we have the data and have a chance to analyse it

to and have a chance to analyse it te tttnne— and have a chance to analyse it te tttnne ent— and have a chance to analyse it to figure out what— and have a chance to analyse it to figure out what happened and ttte— to figure out what happened and ttte eenne— to figure out what happened and take some lessons— to figure out what happened and take some lessons learned and tenvtnt— take some lessons learned and move forward from there . well, move forward from there. well, ttet,— move forward from there. well, on, t— move forward from there. well, on, t nenett— move forward from there. well, on, t nenett .— move forward from there. well, look, i repeat , absolutely look, i repeat, absolutely devastating— look, i repeat, absolutely devastating news. c... devastating news. guillermo sohnlein and the former ceo and co—founder of oceangate, thank you so much forjoining us at this really difficult time . now, this really difficult time. now, thans this really difficult time. now, titans pilot was the frenchman paul henry. nigel and my next guest, the world renowned titanic historian craig sopan was a close friend and colleague of the skilled seaman who perished with his crew . craig, perished with his crew. craig, i think we're going to get you back very shortly. craig, open. i think we have you now. craig. i think we have you now. craig. i am here. huge condolences as what a terrible day to tell me about your friend paul henry, guy in his late 70s, still taking incredible risks . yeah, taking incredible risks. yeah, it's actually been a very-

it's actually been a very tttttentt— it's actually been a very difficult four— it's actually been a very difficult four days for me. as ts t— difficult four days for me. as soon as i heard— difficult four days for me. as soon as i heard the- difficult four days for me. as soon as i heard the news- difficult four days for me. as soon as i heard the news on monday morning, i sent an email hoping against hope that he would write back and tell me that he just didn't make the voyage. for some reason. and knowing that ph always responds to me immediately and having not received a response, i knew that he had to be on that ship. and you know, i can't see him taking too much risk . you know, i can't see him taking too much risk. he he acknowledged that there was risk in anything we do, but he's a pretty smart guy. and i can't see him doing a project like this unless he felt that it was safe to do. he was very passionate about titanic, which is why i think in this particular case, he was more or less a what i can consider to be a tour guide rather than the pilot. however he has piloted many voyages to the titanic. in fact, more more than just about anybody else. i think he was down there about 37 times. so no one knew more. no one knew more about the layout of this wreck

than him. whenever i had a question about what something looked like or where something could be found, he is the one that i could be found, he is the one thati asked could be found, he is the one that i asked if i were going to go on a voyage, he would be the one i'd want to go with. i've known him for about 25 years and i can say and echoing a lot of other people's opinions that is really just too early to tell what happened and what made this ship come apart. but i am an attorney full time, so i really rely on evidence, not assumptions on not supposition before i make conclusions. exactly and that's why i think a lot exactly and that's why i think a tet et— exactly and that's why i think a tet et tne— exactly and that's why i think a lot of the criticism— nee“; and that's why i think a lot of the criticism has been tnenettttv— lot of the criticism has been incredibly unfair, because we do not incredibly unfair, because we do net tnee— incredibly unfair, because we do not know what— incredibly unfair, because we do not know what happened. but but teen— not know what happened. but but not, enttt— not know what happened. but but not, cfaigt t— not know what happened. but but look, craig, i want— not know what happened. but but look, craig, i want to talk to you— look, craig, i want to talk to ven ttent— look, craig, i want to talk to you about the _ look, craig, i want to talk to you about the titanic . i know you about the titanic. i know venne— you about the titanic. i know venne et— you about the titanic. i know you're one of the— you about the titanic. i know you're one of the world renowned ttttnte— you're one of the world renowned titanic historians— you're one of the world renowned titanic historians .— you're one of the world renowned titanic historians. so many of us, titanic historians. so many of nttttene— titanic historians. so many of us, millions around the world, ne— us, millions around the world, ne tnetntet— us, millions around the world, me included, remain absolutely tteetnttet— me included, remain absolutely tteetnttet by— me included, remain absolutely fascinated by that— me included, remain absolutely fascinated by that fateful vevtte — fascinated by that fateful vevtte .— fascinated by that fateful vevtte . nnt— fascinated by that fateful voyage . but what do you make of voyage. but what do you make of the voyage. but what do you make of tne ttet— voyage. but what do you make of tne ttet tntt— voyage. but what do you make of the fact that it— voyage. but what do you make of the fact that it has— voyage. but what do you make of the fact that it has now caused us the fact that it has now caused ne tnn—

the fact that it has now caused ne tnn nev— the fact that it has now caused us this new tragedy , this new us this new tragedy, this new teee— us this new tragedy, this new test et— us this new tragedy, this new loss of lives,— us this new tragedy, this new loss of lives, 111— us this new tragedy, this new loss of lives, 111 years on? ttn— loss of lives, 111 years on? we n— loss of lives, 111 years on? tt-e n going— loss of lives, 111 years on? it's is going to- loss of lives, 111 years on? it's is going to really add to tne— it's is going to really add to tne nvetttne— it's is going to really add to the mystique and the horror that ettt— the mystique and the horror that still surrounds— the mystique and the horror that still surrounds the _ the mystique and the horror that still surrounds the titanic, ten-t— still surrounds the titanic, nn-t tt— still surrounds the titanic, nn-t tt t — still surrounds the titanic, nn-t tt t t— still surrounds the titanic, isn't it 7 i think- still surrounds the titanic, isn't it ? isn't it? i think that we have just added five more people to the victims of titanic when people would wake up every morning for the last four days and want to know what happened to that submersible, they run to turn on the news on television, i don't think they were merely looking at a submersible that was missing, but they were looking at a submersible that was connected to titanic because titanic has such an allure , not titanic has such an allure, not just from the films and the books , but also from the stories books, but also from the stories that 2200 stories that came off the titanic and the ship goes out in so many directions that thatis out in so many directions that that is what i think they were really looking at in this case. the loss of human life here was the real tragedy. and now we've had two titanic tragedies in the last 111 years. i know it's

unbelievable. it really is a eten— unbelievable. it really is a etenv tntt— unbelievable. it really is a story that has— .. “:tt2;. it really is a story that has captivated the vent. — story that has captivated the vent. vte— story that has captivated the world. we were— story that has captivated the world. we were hoping for a happy— world. we were hoping for a happy ending— world. we were hoping for a happy ending this time and what a happy ending this time and what t tnttetv— happy ending this time and what t tntoetv tntt— happy ending this time and what a tragedy that we— happy ending this time and what a tragedy that we didn't get. onet_ a tragedy that we didn't get. ene, tne— a tragedy that we didn't get. one, the titanic— a tragedy that we didn't get. one, the titanic historian craig sett— one, the titanic historian craig setn tnt— one, the titanic historian craig setn tnt eteee— one, the titanic historian craig soap and close friend of the tnenenntn— soap and close friend of the frenchman, paul— soap and close friend of the frenchman, paul henry. nigel, a eenttnnet— frenchman, paul henry. nigel, a confirmed loss— frenchman, paul henry. nigel, a confirmed loss with the titan tenttnt— confirmed loss with the titan tenttnt .— confirmed loss with the titan tonight . thank— confirmed loss with the titan tonight. thank you so much, enttt— tonight. thank you so much, enttt .— tonight. thank you so much, entto . ten,— tonight. thank you so much, craig . now, coming tonight. thank you so much, craig. now, coming up in uncanceled_ craig. now, coming up in uncanceled as- craig. now, coming up in uncanceled as elton john's nnestnt— uncanceled as elton john's husband david— uncanceled as elton john's husband david furnish admits, senettett— husband david furnish admits, schofield made— husband david furnish admits, schofield made a colossal error of schofield made a colossal error et tnttenent— schofield made a colossal error of judgement before later, tetttnt— of judgement before later, tetttnt sty— of judgement before later, telling sky news that he was a vtettn — telling sky news that he was a vtettn et— telling sky news that he was a victim of homophobia. i'm joined by tteet— victim of homophobia. i'm joined by fleet street— victim of homophobia. i'm joined by fleet street legend kelvin tttetenzte— by fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie as— by fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie as he— by fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie as he targets scoffs nvneentte— mackenzie as he targets scoffs hypocrite defenders. you don't vtnt— hypocrite defenders. you don't vtnt te— hypocrite defenders. you don't vtnt te enne— hypocrite defenders. you don't want to miss that— hypocrite defenders. you don't want to miss that next in the nest— want to miss that next in the ttettt tenen— want to miss that next in the media buzz, as— want to miss that next in the media buzz, as the uk's top tennnen— media buzz, as the uk's top former equalities commissioner, sir former equalities commissioner, stn tneven— former equalities commissioner, sir trevor phillips,— former equalities commissioner, sir trevor phillips, blasts the tente— sir trevor phillips, blasts the enne—et- sir trevor phillips, blasts the| duke—of whinge sir trevor phillips, blasts the. duke—of whinge for duke and duchess of whinge for nntenotvtttv— unforgivably squandering a etetten—tne unforgivably squandering a- golden _the best golden chance to show the best of golden chance to show the best et nnttttn— golden chance to show the best et nnttttn n— golden chance to show the best of britain is he— golden chance to show the best of britain is he right that ntnn— of britain is he right that ntnnv tnt— of britain is he right that harry and meghan could have entnet— harry and meghan could have entnet tne— harry and meghan could have shaped the world for millions by nnevtnt— proving our anti—racist credentials— proving our anti—racist credentials ?- proving our anti—racist credentials ? my superstar panel credentials? my superstar panel netnnnet— credentials? my superstar panel netnnnet te— credentials? my superstar panel returned to debate that in nnennenet—

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, britons watching join us here on gb news, the people's channel. britain's. now let's return to tomorrow's- “ \t2.tana let's return to tomorrow's newsnight. aen— return to tomorrow's newsnight. nev tn— return to tomorrow's newsnight. nev tn enn— return to tomorrow's newsnight. now in our media— return to tomorrow's newsnight. now in our media buzz and more tnnt— now in our media buzz and more tnent etten— now in our media buzz and more tnent ntoee te— now in our media buzz and more tnent ntoee tn— now in our media buzz and more front pages are in what a story. tne— front pages are in what a story. tne etttv— front pages are in what a story. the daily mail— front pages are in what a story. the daily mail headline reads, tne— the daily mail headline reads, tne ttttnte— the daily mail headline reads, the titanic claims five more ttte— the titanic claims five more ttte satns— the titanic claims five more life batus wreckage of the tennnt— life batus wreckage of the tennnt sne— life batus wreckage of the tourist sub is— life batus wreckage of the tourist sub is found just 1600ft tntn— tourist sub is found just 1600ft tnen tne— tourist sub is found just 1600ft from the sunken— tourist sub is found just 1600ft from the sunken liner . as the us from the sunken liner. as the us eetettntnt— from the sunken liner. as the us eetettntnt ttve— from the sunken liner. as the us coastguard says it— from the sunken liner. as the us coastguard says it was destroyed by a— coastguard says it was destroyed by a catastrophic— coastguard says it was destroyed by a catastrophic implosion . the by a catastrophic implosion. the snn— by a catastrophic implosion. the snn nettttne— by a catastrophic implosion. the sun headline reads , they had no sun headline reads, they had no entnee— sun headline reads, they had no entnee .— sun headline reads, they had no entnee . ae— sun headline reads, they had no chance . as the— sun headline reads, they had no chance . as the newspaper chance. as the newspaper nentne— chance. as the newspaper reports, titan— chance. as the newspaper reports, titan imploded one hour and reports, titan imploded one hour tnt as— reports, titan imploded one hour and 45 minutes— reports, titan imploded one hour and 45 minutes into its journey tenn— and 45 minutes into its journey tevn te— and 45 minutes into its journey tevn te tne— and 45 minutes into its journey down to the titanic . my down to the titanic. my ennenttn— down to the titanic. my superstar panel return now the eetnnnnt— superstar panel return now the columnist and— superstar panel return now the columnist and broadcaster carol ttetttttn— columnist and broadcaster carol mcgiffin, former— columnist and broadcaster carol mcgiffin, former conservative etttnet— mcgiffin, former conservative cabinet minister— mcgiffin, former conservative cabinet minister ranil jayawardena, and the author and

tnetteteten— jayawardena, and the author and broadcaster amy— jayawardena, and the author and broadcaster amy nicholl, marking 75 broadcaster amy nicholl, marking ts vetn— broadcaster amy nicholl, marking ts vetn etnee— broadcaster amy nicholl, marking 75 years since the— broadcaster amy nicholl, marking 75 years since the first of the vvtntnnen— 75 years since the first of the windrush generation landed on enttten— windrush generation landed on british shores— windrush generation landed on british shores ,_ windrush generation landed on british shores , trevor phillips british shores, trevor phillips nte— british shores, trevor phillips has celebrated— british shores, trevor phillips has celebrated us as the most veteentnt— has celebrated us as the most welcoming country in europe. eeentte— welcoming country in europe. seentte nntt— welcoming country in europe. despite what the— welcoming country in europe. despite what the sussexes may say despite what the sussexes may etv tn— despite what the sussexes may etv tn t— despite what the sussexes may say in a furious— despite what the sussexes may say in a furious attack on harry tnt— say in a furious attack on harry tnt ttetntn— say in a furious attack on harry and meghan, the— say in a furious attack on harry and meghan, the uk's top former etntttttee— and meghan, the uk's top former equalities commissioner told the etttv— equalities commissioner told the one ttttt— equalities commissioner told the daily mail today— equalities commissioner told the daily mail today they constructed- daily mail today they constructed this completely ntttentene— constructed this completely ridiculous unpleasure story ridiculous and unpleasure story ttent— ridiculous and unpleasure story about-maltreated- ridiculous and unpleasure story about maltreated they were, about how maltreated they were, vnten— about how maltreated they were, vnten ntnnn,— about how maltreated they were, which, frankly, no— about how maltreated they were, which, frankly, no one believes, no which, frankly, no one believes, ne-etnet— which, frankly, no one believes, no-cared-meghan'sl no one cared about meghan's tnev— no one cared about meghan's race. they could— no one cared about meghan's race. they could have made tntnte— race. they could have made things different— race. they could have made things different for millions of netete— things different for millions of neente—netl things different for millions of neente—net tei people and they chose not to. tntt-e—tn- people and they chose not to. tntt-e—tn nv- people and they chose not to.i that's—in my book. that's unforgivable in my book. tntt-e— that's unforgivable in my book. tntt-eletn— that's unforgivable in my book. tntt-eletn .— that's unforgivable in my book. that'slsin . but— that's unforgivable in my book. that'slsin . but as— that's unforgivable in my book. that's sin . but as we all that's a sin. but as we all remember, the— that's a sin. but as we all remember, the calamitous eennte-e— remember, the calamitous couple's claims- remember, the calamitous couple's claims of experiencing racism were then— couple's claims of experiencing racism were then soon downgraded to unconscious bias— racism were then soon downgraded to unconscious bias .— racism were then soon downgraded to unconscious bias. this is how tnev— to unconscious bias. this is how tnev teenenttetv— to unconscious bias. this is how they desperately backtrack from ttetn— they desperately backtrack from their baseless— they desperately backtrack from their baseless accusation as and tne— their baseless accusation as and also concerns and— their baseless accusation as and also concerns and conversations ttent— also concerns and conversations ttent nev— also concerns and conversations ttent nev ttnt— also concerns and conversations about how dark his— also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be nnen— about how dark his skin might be vvnen nen— about how dark his skin might be when he's born. _ about how dark his skin might be when he's born. in— about how dark his skin might be when he's born. in the oprah tntenvtev— when he's born. in the oprah tntenvtev .— when he's born. in the oprah interview , you— when he's born. in the oprah interview , you accused members interview, you accused members of interview, you accused members et venn— interview, you accused members et venn ttnttv— interview, you accused members of your family of— interview, you accused members of your family of racism. you ten-t— of your family of racism. you ten-t even—

of your family of racism. you don't even of— of your family of racism. you don't even of the— of your family of racism. you don't even of the british press ettt— don't even of the british press ettt tntt— don't even of the british press said that right— don't even of the british press said that right? _ don't even of the british press said that right? “j i don't even of the british press said that right ? “j i g don't even of the british press said that right ? “j i i~a.t2;g“t?“ said that right? did meghan ever mention they're racist ? she said mention they're racist? she said there were troubling— ?ti. 5.7 she said there were troubling comments tsent— there were troubling comments about archie's— there were troubling comments about archie's concern, about his about archie's concern, about nn entn— about archie's concern, about his skin colour.— about archie's concern, about his skin colour. right. wouldn't you his skin colour. right. wouldn't ven teeentte— his skin colour. right. wouldn't you describe that— his skin colour. right. wouldn't you describe that as essentially ntent— you describe that as essentially ntent .— you describe that as essentially ntent , net— you describe that as essentially racist , not having— you describe that as essentially racist , not having lived within racist, not having lived within tntt— racist, not having lived within tntt ttnttv— racist, not having lived within tntt family? — racist, not having lived within that family ? and- racist, not having lived within that family ? ' i racist, not having lived within that family ? ' “i ti.t2t.. that family? and of course, there's yougov poll released today shows harry and meghan's popular charity crashing through the floor. so it looks like sir trevor phillips actually speaks for the nation here. panel. absolutely . i for the nation here. panel. absolutely. i mean, for the nation here. panel. absolutely . i mean, it's such absolutely. i mean, it's such a tntt— absolutely. i mean, it's such a onett entne— absolutely. i mean, it's such a great shame what's happened. nnttttn-e— great shame what's happened. nnttttn-e net— great shame what's happened. britain's not perfect , but it's britain's not perfect, but it's a britain's not perfect, but it's t ntttten— britain's not perfect, but it's a million times— britain's not perfect, but it's a million times better than most eentntee— a million times better than most countries around— a million times better than most countries around the world. and i countries around the world. and t ten-t— countries around the world. and t ten-t tntnt— countries around the world. and i don't think people cared one bit i don't think people cared one stt ttent— i don't think people cared one bit about meghan's heritage. no, tnev— bit about meghan's heritage. no, tnev .— bit about meghan's heritage. no, tnev , tn— bit about meghan's heritage. no, tnev , tn ttet,— bit about meghan's heritage. no, they , in fact, wanted both harry they, in fact, wanted both harry tnt— they, in fact, wanted both harry tnt ttetntn— they, in fact, wanted both harry tnt tteontn te— they, in fact, wanted both harry and meghan to succeed. and you eentt— and meghan to succeed. and you eentt eee— and meghan to succeed. and you could see that— and meghan to succeed. and you could see that when the fab four enettet— could see that when the fab four enettet tn— could see that when the fab four was created in the— could see that when the fab four was created in the first place, tnene— was created in the first place, tnene vvt— was created in the first place, tnene t— was created in the first place, there was a great— was created in the first place, there was a great opportunity for there was a great opportunity ten tne— there was a great opportunity ten tne tevtt— there was a great opportunity for the royal family to move tntt— for the royal family to move tnte tne— for the royal family to move into the 21st— for the royal family to move into the 21st century with all eenn— into the 21st century with all eentt et— into the 21st century with all eentt et nev— into the 21st century with all sorts of new opportunities. and it's sorts of new opportunities. and tt-e teen— sorts of new opportunities. and

it's been brought— sorts of new opportunities. and it's been brought down. i'm etttv— it's been brought down. i'm etttv ett— it's been brought down. i'm etttv ett te— it's been brought down. i'm sadly sad to say,- it's been brought down. i'm sadly sad to say, by i think, eent— sadly sad to say, by i think, some sort of— sadly sad to say, by i think, some sort of petty vendettas . some sort of petty vendettas. ant— some sort of petty vendettas. ant te— some sort of petty vendettas. ant te ven— some sort of petty vendettas. ant te ven say— some sort of petty vendettas. ant te ven etv .— some sort of petty vendettas. and as you say , as we just saw, and as you say, as we just saw, netttv— and as you say, as we just saw, some really unfortunate tntenvtevn— some really unfortunate interviews that have been given to interviews that have been given te tnv— interviews that have been given te tnv tnt— interviews that have been given te tnv tnt tnetttv— interviews that have been given to try and justify their own nettt— to try and justify their own media appearance. delusion. tvett.— media appearance. delusion. tvett. tt— media appearance. delusion. tvett. tt te— media appearance. delusion. well, it is delusion— media appearance. delusion. well, it is delusion .- media appearance. delusion. well, it is delusion . it's- well, it is delusion. it's a delusion because it feels like all they've got is to sort of spray around these generalised accusations of racism. you know, in their netflix series, they tried to pinpoint it on nigel farage and brexit, for example, because i guess they felt that was safer than what they did on the oprah interview, which was to pin it to the royal family i think everybody's just so sick of think everybody's just so sick et ttetn— think everybody's just so sick et tnetn ntet— think everybody's just so sick of their papa victimhood that it's of their papa victimhood that tt-e ttte— of their papa victimhood that tt-e ttte, ven— of their papa victimhood that it's like, you know, they have evenvtntnt— it's like, you know, they have evenvtntnt .— it's like, you know, they have everything . they— it's like, you know, they have everything . they have everything everything. they have everything tnev— everything. they have everything tnev vtnt.— everything. they have everything tnev vvtnt. tnev— everything. they have everything they want. they are not they are so they want. they are not they are ee wrong— they want. they are not they are ee vvnent ttent— they want. they are not they are so wrong about this country and the so wrong about this country and tne ntv— so wrong about this country and tne vvtv tnev— so wrong about this country and the way they portray the royal ttnttv— the way they portray the royal ttnttv te— the way they portray the royal family as racist.— the way they portray the royal family as racist. did you care ttent— family as racist. did you care about meghan's— family as racist. did you care about meghan's mixed race here? no, about meghan's mixed race here? ne, t— about meghan's mixed race here? ne, t tttn-t— about meghan's mixed race here? no, i didn't even— about meghan's mixed race here? no, i didn't even i— about meghan's mixed race here? no, i didn't even i mean, it tttn-t— no, i didn't even i mean, it tttn-t even— no, i didn't even i mean, it didn't even register at the ttne. — didn't even register at the ttne. t— didn't even register at the

time. i watched suits for years tnt— time. i watched suits for years tnt t— time. i watched suits for years tnt t neven— time. i watched suits for years and i never even— time. i watched suits for years and i never even thought, oh , and i never even thought, oh, ene-e— and i never even thought, oh, ene-e t— and i never even thought, oh, ene-e t ntxet— and i never even thought, oh, she's a mixed race— and i never even thought, oh, she's a mixed race girl. i never tnentnt— she's a mixed race girl. i never even thought that,— she's a mixed race girl. i never even thought that, you know, i neneettv— even thought that, you know, i honestly didn't.— even thought that, you know, i honestly didn't. and i know tntt.— honestly didn't. and i know tntt. te— honestly didn't. and i know that. no one— honestly didn't. and i know that. no one else cared. and venne— that. no one else cared. and venne nont— that. no one else cared. and you're right about the wedding as you're right about the wedding te vett. — you're right about the wedding as well. people— you're right about the wedding as well. people really embraced tntt— as well. people really embraced tntt vetttnt. — as well. people really embraced that wedding. everybody was up for that wedding. everybody was up ten n,— that wedding. everybody was up ten n, tntt— that wedding. everybody was up ten n, tnte tt— that wedding. everybody was up for it, into it. and— that wedding. everybody was up for it, into it. and then then tnev— for it, into it. and then then tnev tnet— for it, into it. and then then tnev tnet nnt— for it, into it. and then then they just put their fingers on they just put their fingers on the self—destruct buttons and te— the self—destruct buttons and move to america— the self—destruct buttons and move to america and started ettootnt— move to america and started slagging everybody off to bring us slagging everybody off to bring ne tenn— slagging everybody off to bring ne tevn vttn— slagging everybody off to bring us down with this dreadful amy. no us down with this dreadful amy. ae ene— us down with this dreadful amy. ae ttve— us down with this dreadful amy. ae ttve t— us down with this dreadful amy. no one gave a about— us down with this dreadful amy. no one gave a about meghan's race. and actually, if they did care, it was only to embrace it and to say how excited we were to have an american princess. i think that's not exactly true , think that's not exactly true, tnentn— think that's not exactly true, tnentn n— think that's not exactly true, tnenon n ttt— think that's not exactly true, though, is it? because. well, it is though, is it? because. well, it n teetne— though, is it? because. well, it is because i've— though, is it? because. well, it is because i've just said it and i is because i've just said it and t netn— is because i've just said it and t tt— is because i've just said it and t tt. — is because i've just said it and i mean it. 3ii i mean it. recollections may vary. well, is it i mean it. 3ii well, is it embracing her vary. well, is it embracing her by etvtnt— vary. well, is it embracing her by saying opinion— well, is it embracing her by saying opinion pieces, tnettnt— by saying opinion pieces, quoting exotic— by saying opinion pieces, quoting exotic dna , saying quoting exotic dna, saying ntnnn— quoting exotic dna, saying ntnnn ttn— quoting exotic dna, saying ntnnn ttnt n— quoting exotic dna, saying harry's girl is straight out of eennten— harry's girl is straight out of eennten e— harry's girl is straight out of compton ? there— harry's girl is straight out of compton ? there was a very big compton? there was a very big ttttenenee— compton? there was a very big difference between the way she ttnttv— difference between the way she was. firstly, the— difference between the way she was. firstly, the straight outta eennten— was. firstly, the straight outta compton headline is not at all

ntent— compton headline is not at all ntent tn— compton headline is not at all ntent tn tnv— compton headline is not at all racist in any way. _ compton headline is not at all racist in any way. . i racist in any way. it's a clever newspaper pun about a neighbourhood where she lived close by in california so that is not evidence of racism. and if you read the whole column about the exotic dna , which was about the exotic dna, which was written by rachel johnson , a written by rachel johnson, a very liberal woman , it was very liberal woman, it was actually entirely in support of meghan. i'm not sure, because it's pointing to her race all the time. there was a lot of unconscious. _ the time. there was a lot of unconscious. what- . there was a lot of unconscious. what does this mean 7 unconscious. what does this mean t we.— unconscious. what does this mean t we. tt— unconscious. what does this mean t we. tt nnetn— unconscious. what does this mean ? no, it means what— unconscious. what does this mean ? no, it means what does- unconscious. what does this mean ? no, it means what does this mean? i'll tell you what ntnnenet.— mean? i'll tell you what happened. i'll- 7 i'll tell you what happened. i'll tell you what ntnnenet— happened. i'll tell you what happened when— happened. i'll tell you what happened when harry got with ttetntn— happened when harry got with ttetntn tt— happened when harry got with meghan, it was— happened when harry got with meghan, it was there were a hell of meghan, it was there were a hell et t— meghan, it was there were a hell et t tet— meghan, it was there were a hell et t tet et— meghan, it was there were a hell of a lot of hell— meghan, it was there were a hell of a lot of hell of— meghan, it was there were a hell of a lot of hell of a— meghan, it was there were a hell of a lot of hell of a lot of tttet— of a lot of hell of a lot of black commentators saying this is black commentators saying this n tnett. — black commentators saying this n tvett. tve-ve— black commentators saying this is great. we've got a person of eeetnn— is great. we've got a person of eeetnn tn— is great. we've got a person of eeetnn tn tne— is great. we've got a person of colour in the royal— is great. we've got a person of colour in the royal family and evenvene— colour in the royal family and evenvene ene— colour in the royal family and everyone else is— colour in the royal family and everyone else is sitting around tnt— everyone else is sitting around tnt goingt— everyone else is sitting around tnt goingt on— everyone else is sitting around and going, oh, really? okay tntt-e— and going, oh, really? okay tntt-e enett— and going, oh, really? okay that's great. is— and going, oh, really? okay that's great. is it great? yeah ttn— that's great. is it great? yeah tt-e tnett. — that's great. is it great? yeah it's great. and— that's great. is it great? yeah it's great. and not- that's great. is it great? yeah it's great. ' “i “g that's great. is it great? yeah it's great. “i “g it's great. and not being, not being funny, but, you know, like so i'm married to a white woman and you know, we, we look at our children and we thought about our children and you go, what

are they going to look like? it's a perfectly normal are you say that's not necessarily racist. what if a relative, tnentn— racist. what if a relative, tnenon ntt— racist. what if a relative, though, had said- ?ti. what if a relative, though, had said to you, oh, how ttnt— though, had said to you, oh, how ttnt te— though, had said to you, oh, how ttnt te ven— though, had said to you, oh, how dark do you think— though, had said to you, oh, how dark do you think your baby's going— dark do you think your baby's going te— dark do you think your baby's going te tet— dark do you think your baby's going to be? because harry and ttetntn— going to be? because harry and meghan suggested that that was ntent. — meghan suggested that that was ntent. t— meghan suggested that that was racist. ithink— meghan suggested that that was racist. i think it's— meghan suggested that that was racist. i think it's perfectly vtttt. — racist. i think it's perfectly valid. question- racist. i think it's perfectly valid. a ’t2,t“ ' g tit2. racist. i think it's perfectly- valid. question alongside what colour are they going to have? what hair colour are they going to have? i think you said eenetntnt— to have? i think you said something quite- 7 i think you said something quite interesting seetne— something quite interesting because _ start. something quite interestingi because—start of because right at the start of nnen— because right at the start of when - started - because right at the start of when started speaking, you when you started speaking, you ettt— when you started speaking, you ent-te— when you started speaking, you etttite ntve— when you started speaking, you said do have progress to be said we do have progress to be ntte— said we do have progress to be ntte-tntt-e— said we do have progress to be made-that's what- said we do have progress to be made that's what i think. made and that's what i think. i tntnt— made and that's what i think. i think sometimes— made and that's what i think. i think sometimes you when think sometimes when you when you think sometimes when you when ven-nnttttn-e— think sometimes when you when you-britain's-racist- you say britain's not a racist country— you say britain's not a racist country-as— you say britain's not a racist country,-as.we're- country, it's as if we're nenteet— country, it's as if we're perfect and— country, it's as if we're perfect and we're far from nenteet— perfect and we're far from perfect,-said. - perfect and we're far from perfect, said. perfect, steele said. look at tne— perfect, steele said. look at the better. but— perfect, steele said. look at the better. but you're- perfect, steele said. but you're you know, the better. but you're you know, venn— the better. but you're you know, venn ntntv— but you're you know, your party commissioned the steete— your party commissioned the steete neeen— your party commissioned the steele report by— your party commissioned the steele report by sewell steele report by tony sewell entttenet— steele report by tony sewell criticised - not _ steele report by tony sewell criticised - not a - steele report by tony sewell criticised not a credible criticised it's not a credible neeen.— criticised it's not a credible nenent. — criticised it's not a credible venent. te— criticised it's not a credible venent. ae .— criticised it's not a credible report. no , no,- criticised it's not a credible report. \tt2t criticised it's not a credible report. \t2t report. no, no, no, no, no. that's report. no, no, no, no, no. tntt-e t— report. no, no, no, no, no. that's a disgusting- report. \t2t that's a disgusting thing to etv. — that's a disgusting thing to etv. nev— that's a disgusting thing to say. how dare— that's a disgusting thing to say. i t2t..7 can i say one say. how dare you? can i say one tntnt— say. how dare you? can i say one tntnt te— say. how dare you? can i say one tntnt te etttn,— say. how dare you? can i say one thing to clarify, tony— say. i ”2. t2t-7 can i say one thing to clarify, tony sewell. why?— thing to clarify, tony sewell. why? neetne— thing to clarify, tony sewell. why? because he— thing to clarify, tony sewell. why? because he didn't- thing to clarify, tony sewell. why? because he didn't say that the country was a racist household. they spent months and they were incredible people on that commission. think that commission. so i think that's disgusting. anniversary that commission. so i think th.windrush;ting. anniversary that commission. so i think th.windrush;ting. iyesjersary that commission. so i think th.windrush;ting. iyes. yes.ry that commission. so i think

th.windrush;ting. iyes. yes. the of windrush today. yes. yes. the vvtntnnen— of windrush today. yes. yes. the windrush generation, when they tnntvet — windrush generation, when they tntvevvent-e- windrush generation, when they arrived were treated arrived in the uk were treated tnnttttno. — arrived in the uk were treated tnnttttno. se— arrived in the uk were treated appalling. so think about the ntetene— appalling. so think about the nnetneee neve— appalling. so think about the progress we've made. theresa atty-e— progress we've made. theresa ntve—tnet- progress we've made. theresa tttv-e—tntet tel progress we've made. theresa- may's_tried to deport may's government tried to deport no may's government tried to deport ne vtet— may's government tried to deport no vast swathes_ may's government tried to deport no vast swathes of— may's government tried to deport no vast swathes of the windrush tnen — no vast swathes of the windrush tnen tne — no vast swathes of the windrush tnen tne ttve— no vast swathes of the windrush from the days of— no vast swathes of the windrush from the days of no blacks, no tnnn— from the days of no blacks, no tnnn te— from the days of no blacks, no tnnn te nev— from the days of no blacks, no irish, to now having an asian tnne— irish, to now having an asian prime minister— irish, to now having an asian prime minister or— irish, to now having an asian prime minister or a hindu prime tttnnten. — prime minister or a hindu prime tttnnten. etn— prime minister or a hindu prime minister. can i— prime minister or a hindu prime minister. can i just— prime minister or a hindu prime minister. �*7 “ minister. can ijust finish my muslim first minister of scotland? okay, final word, amy lenten— scotland? okay, final word, amy tenten tttven— scotland? okay, final word, amy tenten tttven t— scotland? okay, final word, amy london mayor, i want— i i7 okay, final word, amy london mayor, i want to do all i vtnt— london mayor, i want to do all i vtnt te— london mayor, i want to do all i vtnt te te— london mayor, i want to do all i vtnt te te n— london mayor, i want to do all i want to do is finish— london mayor, i want to do all i want to do is finish that point vvtntnnen— want to do is finish that point windrush generation quickly. �*avaat2; windrush generation quickly. we tnntet— windrush generation quickly. we ttettet tten— windrush generation quickly. we treated them appallingly.- treated them appallingly. we tried them. and now tried to deport them. and now guess what? we still haven't sorted compensation sorted out their compensation payments. so if we aren't a racist prove it by racist country, prove it by giving they deserve. giving them what they deserve. okay, now the british bashing eennenttten— okay, now the british bashing corporation is— okay, now the british bashing corporation is embroiled yet corporation is embroiled in yet tnetnen— corporation is embroiled in yet another—storm,- corporation is embroiled in yeti another_ storm, this another impartiality storm, this ttne— another impartiality storm, this ttne tne— another impartiality storm, this time the culprit— another impartiality storm, this time the culprit being bbc news nneeenten— time the culprit being bbc news nneeenten tnt— time the culprit being bbc news presenter and poster boy clive ttvnte— presenter and poster boy clive ttvnte .— presenter and poster boy clive ttvnte , vvne — presenter and poster boy clive myrie , who appeared on the woke myrie, who appeared on the woke etnet—t— myrie, who appeared on the woke etnet—t-neve- myrie, who appeared on the woke panel—i-news fori panel show have i got news for ten— panel show have i got news for ven-t— panel show have i got news for ven-t vnete— panel show have i got news for you-a whole load- panel show have i got news for you a whole load of tory you with a whole load of tory ttentnt— you with a whole load of tory stentno tetee— you with a whole load of tory bashing jokes up— you with a whole load of tory bashing jokes up his sleeve? i eenttn-t— bashing jokes up his sleeve? i couldn't believe— bashing jokes up his sleeve? i couldn't believe this. have a ttet.— couldn't believe this. have a teen. atten— couldn't believe this. have a look. after being— couldn't believe this. have a look. after being found by the tense— look. after being found by the tense et— look. after being found by the house of commons committee to ntve— house of commons committee to have-repeatedly,— have lied repeatedly, boris tenneen— have lied repeatedly, boris johnson-the- have lied repeatedly, boris johnson the opportunity to johnson takes the opportunity to ten— johnson takes the opportunity to tenv tntt— johnson takes the opportunity to tenv tntt nen— johnson takes the opportunity to deny that he's ever been jogging

or deny that he's ever been jogging en tntt— deny that he's ever been jogging en tntt ne— deny that he's ever been jogging or that he has— deny that he's ever been jogging or that he hasldog_ deny that he's ever been jogging or that he has dog . 5?ti or that he has a dog. the sad tttne— or that he has a dog. the sad thing about this is it's kind of crashed into the back of the other story, which we didn't even get to deal with. his mad resignation, an honours list. so i think we had the full so idthink we had the full time so i think we had the full time to so i think we had the full time te te— so i think we had the full time to be outraged. _ so i think we had the full time to be outraged. 0“ “ so i think we had the full time to be outraged. 0“ tit2t“ . to be outraged. oh, helen, don't worry. good. plenty of to be outraged. 0“ tit2t“ . .i plenty of time. oh, worry. good. plenty of time. oh, teet— worry. good. plenty of time. oh, teet. — worry. good. plenty of time. oh, teet. anvene— worry. good. plenty of time. oh, good. anyone know— worry. good. plenty of time. oh, good. anyone know why boris johnson might have given a one . johnson might have given a one. given her a peerage ? that is given her a peerage? that is what you'll remember. - a. g7 that is what you'll remember. you were ten— what you'll remember. you were ten ten— what you'll remember. you were ten ten tne— what you'll remember. you were there for the end— what you'll remember. you were there for the end of clive tvneee— there for the end of clive kyrees career. - there for the end of clive kyrees career. a/t2;t?“ or the kyrees career. yeah. or the teotnntnt— kyrees career. yeah. or the teotnntnt et— kyrees career. yeah. or the teotnntnt et t— kyrees career. a/t2;t?“ or the beginning of a new ride . beginning of a new ride. the ttnntettnt— beginning of a new ride. the blundering beeb,_ beginning of a new ride. the blundering beeb, then draghi automatically pulled miri from the 10:00 news show airing on the 10:00 news show airing on the same night after content chief charlotte moore got spooked. they would be called out for their anti—tory bias, but surely, surely the so—called impartial presenter shouldn't have been on the programme making all of these jokes about how terrible boris and the tories are in the first place.

but now breaking tonight . the but now breaking tonight. the family of the british billionaire adventurer and titan sub victim hamish harding have just paid tribute to the dedicated father who they say lived his life for his family , lived his life for his family, his business, and for us. the next adventure . amy nicol ranil next adventure. amy nicol ranil jayawardena , carol mcgiffin do jayawardena, carol mcgiffin do stand by because coming up, find out which pop megastar earned her halo . no clue by donating £1 her halo. no clue by donating £1 million to a flurry of needy restaurants . when i crowned my restaurants. when i crowned my gb and later in the show. but next, an uncancelled. why did elton john's husband, david furnish say phillip schofield made a colossal error of judgement before later, telling sky news he was a victim of homophobia? fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie gets stuck into that bomb . shell claims that plus bomb. shell claims that plus bomb. shell claims that bbc deliberately misled that the bbc deliberately misled the over martin bashir's the public over martin bashir's princess diana shenanigans . princess diana shenanigans. we're back in just two minutes

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it's time now for uncanceled. and this is where britain's top commentators speak out on controversial issues without the fear of the cancel culture sweeping the rest of the media. and david furnish, the husband of pop legend elton john, has popped up of pop legend elton john, has popped up on sky news with some rather confusing commentary on popped up on sky news with some rathrecentfusing commentary on popped up on sky news with some rathrecent phillip:ommentary on popped up on sky news with some rathrecent phillip schofieldy on the recent phillip schofield saga. first and 16, the former this morning presenter was right to resign before echoing elton's recent comments by branding the media coverage of the scandal as homophobic . media coverage of the scandal as homophobic. nick media coverage of the scandal as homophobic . nick watch media coverage of the scandal as homophobic. nick watch phillip schofield and elton agrees, behaved inappropriately. he and it could be perceived— behaved inappropriately. he and it could be perceived as- behaved inappropriately. he and it could be perceived as an- it could be perceived as an ttnee— it could be perceived as an ttnee et— it could be perceived as an abuse of power. _ it could be perceived as an abuse of power. and it was also he abuse of power. and it was also ne ttet— abuse of power. and it was also he lied about— abuse of power. and it was also he lied about it,— abuse of power. and it was also he lied about it, so— abuse of power. and it was also he lied about it, so he behaved tntnnnenntttetv.— he lied about it, so he behaved inappropriately. obe. i think nntt— inappropriately. obe. i think vntt vvt— inappropriately. obe. i think what was horrifying to watch was nntt— what was horrifying to watch was vntt t— what was horrifying to watch was vntt t ventt — what was horrifying to watch was what i would call— what i would call a

disproportionate response within eentttn— disproportionate response within certain levels— disproportionate response within certain levels of— disproportionate response within certain levels of the media enene— certain levels of the media vvnene tt— certain levels of the media where it was— certain levels of the media where it was written about over tnt— where it was written about over tnt even— where it was written about over tnt tnt— where it was written about over and over and over,— where it was written about over and over and over, where they ntttnt— and over and over, where they piling ten— and over and over, where they were piling for on— and over and over, where they were piling for on four days and tnen— were piling for on four days and tnen neete— were piling for on four days and tnen veete .— were piling for on four days and then weeks , continually writing then weeks, continually writing nettttve— then weeks, continually writing nettttve .— then weeks, continually writing neotttve , nttntv— then weeks, continually writing negative , highly critical negative, highly critical nteeee— negative, highly critical nteeee. tt— negative, highly critical pieces. it felt- negative, highly critical pieces. it felt disproportionate to pieces. it felt disproportionate te tne— pieces. it felt disproportionate to the situation— pieces. it felt disproportionate to the situation at hand. he did an to the situation at hand. he did tn tntenvtevv— to the situation at hand. he did an interview. he— to the situation at hand. he did an interview. he acknowledged ne-t— an interview. he acknowledged ne-t ntte— an interview. he acknowledged he'd made mistakes. he wants to go he'd made mistakes. he wants to 90 tenvtnt— he'd made mistakes. he wants to 90 tenvtnt vvttn— he'd made mistakes. he wants to go forward with his— he'd made mistakes. he wants to go forward with his life . go forward with his life. eettgttet— go forward with his life. delighted to _ go forward with his life. delighted to welcome to the show fleet street legend, former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. kelvin why are they bringing homophobe media into this? when schofield himself concealed his sexuality while married to a woman for decades and only actually revealed the sexuality as a way to stop the story about the young runner coming out, i just don't see how this is homophobic. kelvin do you ? well, well, actually , it's you? well, well, actually, it's tntn— you? well, well, actually, it's worse than that— t2t-7 well, well, actually, it's worse than that because in the entttntt— worse than that because in the original elton— worse than that because in the original elton john interview ttet— original elton john interview ttet veet,— original elton john interview last week, he— original elton john interview last week, he said that had this teen— last week, he said that had this teen t— last week, he said that had this teen t ttt— last week, he said that had this teen t giflt t— last week, he said that had this been a girl, a girl,— last week, he said that had this been a girl, a girl, a woman, net—

been a girl, a girl, a woman, ne-t ntt— been a girl, a girl, a woman, ne-t ntt tne— been a girl, a girl, a woman, he'd had the relationship with, it he'd had the relationship with, tt eentt— he'd had the relationship with, tt ventt ttt— he'd had the relationship with, it would all been— he'd had the relationship with, it would all been over with in a nttten— it would all been over with in a nttten et— it would all been over with in a matter of days. _ it would all been over with in a matter of days. i . matter of days. actually, it would have been a lot worse. this would have been a girl of 15 who was hired , thanks to the 15 who was hired, thanks to the quotes relationship. when he was when she was 18. and a relationship started when she was 20. i'm there would have beenit was 20. i'm there would have been it could possibility a plot going around if it had been a girl. so it is completely, completely wrong. and the other issue that i didn't like about what elton john said was that he claimed that that the homophobe phobia was on the march in the united states. now he probably has got his ear closer to the ground on this kind of stuff than i have. but actually , i than i have. but actually, i haven't seen anything as far as i can see. there is no such thing as far as i can detect anyway , in the uk on the western anyway, in the uk on the western world, and called homophobia . world, and called homophobia. what there is, is a fantastic embrace saying of anybody's sexuality . and so i wonder sexuality. and so i wonder whether it's because elton john

fears that without having the microphone on anymore because it's his last tour, whether he feels he's got to carry on saying this kind of stuff in order to make himself and his partner furnish relevant. i think it's completely wrong. and they should actually, on this subject , they should keep out of subject, they should keep out of it. okay. subject, they should keep out of it . okay. now, look, the bbc , it. okay. now, look, the bbc, ettvtn— it. okay. now, look, the bbc, ettvtn nte— it. okay. now, look, the bbc, calvin, has been— . okay. now, look, the bbc, calvin, has been accused of a eenetttentt— calvin, has been accused of a sensational cover— calvin, has been accused of a sensational cover up over the tnttnene— sensational cover up over the infamous martin— sensational cover up over the infamous martin bashir interview vttn— infamous martin bashir interview vvttn enneene— infamous martin bashir interview with princess diana. so in tntnnnn— with princess diana. so in autumn 2020,— with princess diana. so in autumn 2020, the broadcaster etttnet— autumn 2020, the broadcaster claimed bashir's— autumn 2020, the broadcaster claimed bashir's ill health. tttnt. — claimed bashir's ill health. right. remember, this made it tnneeettte— right. remember, this made it impossible for— right. remember, this made it impossible for them to answer any— impossible for them to answer tnv tneettene— impossible for them to answer any questions about the panorama eetnttt. — any questions about the panorama scandal. - however, - any questions about the panorama scandal. however, the scandal. however however, the etttv— scandal. however however, the one teteontnn— scandal. however however, the daily telegraph have done a enett— daily telegraph have done a onett tet— daily telegraph have done a great job obtaining emails that enen—vene- show bbc executives were tetntttv— show bbc executives were tetntttv tn— show bbc executives were actually in contact with the tntnteet— actually in contact with the disgraced reporter at the time. tnn— disgraced reporter at the time. tnn n— disgraced reporter at the time. tnn n nntt— disgraced reporter at the time. this is what the— disgraced reporter at the time. this is what the bbc has said tenenn— this is what the bbc has said tonight. kelvin,— this is what the bbc has said tonight. kelvin, the bbc rejects any tonight. kelvin, the bbc rejects tnv enooeetten— tonight. kelvin, the bbc rejects any suggestion it— tonight. kelvin, the bbc rejects any suggestion it has acted tttettttv. — any suggestion it has acted tttettttv. tne— any suggestion it has acted illegally. the fact there were men— illegally. the fact there were ten vt— illegally. the fact there were there was contact between the teen — there was contact between the teen tnt — there was contact between the beeb and martin— there was contact between the beeb and martin bashir does not tntt— beeb and martin bashir does not tntt ne— beeb and martin bashir does not mean that he was— beeb and martin bashir does not mean that he was at the time fit to mean that he was at the time fit te ntnttetntte— mean that he was at the time fit te ntnttetntte tn— mean that he was at the time fit

to participate in any detailed tneneeten— to participate in any detailed discussion of— to participate in any detailed discussion of the events of tests.— discussion of the events of tees-intent— discussion of the events of 1995..wasn't .- discussion of the events of 1995. wasn't . but i have to 1995. he wasn't. but i have to say— 1995. he wasn't. but i have to say .— 1995. he wasn't. but i have to etv , ntvtnt— 1995. he wasn't. but i have to say , having looked at all of the say, having looked at all of the enttt— say, having looked at all of the email discussions— say, having looked at all of the email discussions myself, it teen— email discussions myself, it teen ttte— email discussions myself, it feels like the— email discussions myself, it feels like the bbc were directly ntetetttnt— feels like the bbc were directly misleading the— feels like the bbc were directly misleading the media over this ttttn— misleading the media over this tottn vnten— misleading the media over this again, which is— misleading the media over this again, which is just astonishing . vent.— again, which is just astonishing . vent. vett— again, which is just astonishing . yeah, well, yeah— again, which is just astonishing . yeah, well, yeah ,- again, which is just astonishing . yeah, well, yeah , but- again, which is just astonishing . yeah, well, yeah, but this has been going on, you know, i mean, this is hard to believe. this has been going on- this is hard to believe. this has been going on for- “?ati this has been going on for 30 years, nttte— has been going on for 30 years, nttnte ttn— has been going on for 30 years, right? it's massively in the see-e— right? it's massively in the bbc's interests— right? it's massively in the bbc's interests to cover up evenvtntnt— bbc's interests to cover up evenvtntnt .— bbc's interests to cover up everything . and if they can everything. and if they can etttn— everything. and if they can etttn tntt— everything. and if they can claim that bashir had ill netttn— claim that bashir had ill health, although, of course tnene— health, although, of course tnene vt— health, although, of course tnene t— health, although, of course there was a great photo, wasn't tnene— there was a great photo, wasn't tnene nnen— there was a great photo, wasn't there when he— there was a great photo, wasn't there when he was— there was a great photo, wasn't there when he was ill going into a there when he was ill going into t ennnv— there when he was ill going into t ennnv nenee— there when he was ill going into a curry house and— there when he was ill going into a curry house and coming out vttn— a curry house and coming out vvttn t— a curry house and coming out with a bottle— a curry house and coming out with a bottle of— a curry house and coming out with a bottle of wine and vntteven— with a bottle of wine and whatever kind _ with a bottle of wine and whatever kind of curry he ent-evet— whatever kind of curry he entevet .— whatever kind of curry he entevet . se— whatever kind of curry he enjoyed . so look, i, i don't enjoyed. so look, i, i don't tntv— enjoyed. so look, i, i don't tnevv nev— enjoyed. so look, i, i don't know how well— enjoyed. so look, i, i don't know how well mr bashir is , as know how well mr bashir is, as he know how well mr bashir is, as ne eeene— know how well mr bashir is, as ne te— know how well mr bashir is, as he seems to have— know how well mr bashir is, as he seems to have been smart enentn— he seems to have been smart enentn te— he seems to have been smart enough to have— he seems to have been smart enough to have pulled off one of the enough to have pulled off one of tne enett— enough to have pulled off one of tne onett en— enough to have pulled off one of the great con jobs— enough to have pulled off one of the great con jobs of all time, tntettnt— the great con jobs of all time, tntettnt t— the great con jobs of all time, tricking a princess into into ttttettnt— tricking a princess into into attacking her,— tricking a princess into into attacking her, her husband on

tetevnten— attacking her, her husband on television and— attacking her, her husband on television and at— attacking her, her husband on television and at the same time tteet— television and at the same time never faced any— television and at the same time never faced any issue whatsoever . ae— never faced any issue whatsoever . ae ttn— never faced any issue whatsoever . ae ttn te— never faced any issue whatsoever . ae ttn te t— never faced any issue whatsoever . as far as i know,— never faced any issue whatsoever . as far as i know, he's never enttten— . as far as i know, he's never vnttten t— . as far as i know, he's never written a check.— . as far as i know, he's never written a check. nothing's ever ntnnenet.— written a check. nothing's ever ntnnenet. ant— written a check. nothing's ever happened. and the other issue tve— happened. and the other issue t-ve tet— happened. and the other issue t-ve tet n— happened. and the other issue t-ve tet n vnv— happened. and the other issue i've got is why hasn't why teeen-t— i've got is why hasn't why doesn't harry— i've got is why hasn't why doesn't harry get irritated by tnne— doesn't harry get irritated by tnne tnn— doesn't harry get irritated by this? this was— doesn't harry get irritated by this? this was his mother, after ttt— this? this was his mother, after ttt. ant— this? this was his mother, after ttt. ant ven— this? this was his mother, after all. and you know— this? this was his mother, after all. and you know why? because tnene-e— all. and you know why? because tnene-e ne— all. and you know why? because there's no money— all. and you know why? because there's no money in— all. and you know why? because there's no money in it, right? at tent— there's no money in it, right? at tetet tt— there's no money in it, right? at least if he— there's no money in it, right? at least if he can— there's no money in it, right? at least if he can attack the ttttett— at least if he can attack the tabloid press,— at least if he can attack the tabloid press, go— at least if he can attack the tabloid press, go through the high— tabloid press, go through the nten-tne— tabloid press, go through the nten-tne ent- tabloid press, go through the high _the end of. tabloid press, go through the high the end of the high court. at the end of the day—a- high court. at the end of the day—a eneet.| high court. at the end of the. day,_a check. but day, there may be a check. but tetnttty— day, there may be a check. but actually, when _ day, there may be a check. but actually, when there's something day, there may be a check. but actuthis, when there's something day, there may be a check. but actuthis, which there's something day, there may be a check. but actuthis, which isare's something day, there may be a check. but actuthis, which is actuallyething like this, which is actually tntte— like this, which is actually tntte etetntv— like this, which is actually quite clearly 101% wrong, what nen— quite clearly 101% wrong, what ne-e te— quite clearly 101% wrong, what ne-e te tntet— quite clearly 101% wrong, what he's as quiet as— quite clearly 101% wrong, what he's as quiet as a— quite clearly 101% wrong, what he's as quiet as a church mouse . ttn— he's as quiet as a church mouse . tt-e venv— he's as quiet as a church mouse . it's very puzzling— he's as quiet as a church mouse . it's very puzzling indeed. nen— . it's very puzzling indeed. ne-e tett— . it's very puzzling indeed. he's left attacking- . it's very puzzling indeed. he's left attacking the- . it's very puzzling indeed. he's left attacking the bbc. all all to prince william. actually kelvin mackenzie, brilliant stuff. we will speak on monday. thank you very much. but it's time now to reveal tonight's greatest britain and union jackass. my superstar panel returned. carol mcgiffin, who's your nominee for tonight's greatest britain. it's elon musk for greatest britain. it's elon musk ten tetntnt— greatest britain. it's elon musk ten tetntno nn— greatest britain. it's elon musk for teaming up with— greatest britain. it's elon musk for teaming up with jk- ciit2;t?.t2;5. “ it's elon musk for teaming up with jk rowling and for teaming up with jk rowling tnt etvtnt— for teaming up with jk rowling tnt etvtno tntt— for teaming up with jk rowling

and saying that the cis man, cis enntte— and saying that the cis man, cis woman phrase is— and saying that the cis man, cis woman phrase is a— and saying that the cis man, cis woman phrase is a slur. and saying that the cis man, cis woman phrase is a slur . and woman phrase is a slur. and tnvne— woman phrase is a slur. and tnvne nne— woman phrase is a slur. and anyone who uses— woman phrase is a slur. and anyone who uses it on twitter is going— anyone who uses it on twitter is going te— anyone who uses it on twitter is going te ennet— anyone who uses it on twitter is going to chuck off— anyone who uses it on twitter is going to chuck off and i hope he teee— going to chuck off and i hope he teee. ntn— going to chuck off and i hope he teee. vetn. tee— going to chuck off and i hope he does. yeah. do not— going to chuck off and i hope he does. yeah. do not call me a cis t— does. yeah. do not call me a cis t etnnet— does. yeah. do not call me a cis man. i cannot bear— does. yeah. do not call me a cis man. i cannot bear it.- does. yeah. do not call me a cis man. “ . \at2t man. i cannot bear it. no, no. who's your nominee? well, my nominee is the 13 year old girl. and her friend at rye college vvte— and her friend at rye college vvne enene— and her friend at rye college vvne enete nn— and her friend at rye college who spoke up for— and her friend at rye college who spoke up for common sense. tnn— who spoke up for common sense. tnn veet,— who spoke up for common sense. this week, taking— who spoke up for common sense. this week, taking on the hard tett— this week, taking on the hard tett ntttett— this week, taking on the hard left radical establishment that te— left radical establishment that te te— left radical establishment that seems to be encroaching on every teneet— seems to be encroaching on every teneet et— seems to be encroaching on every teneet et en— seems to be encroaching on every aspect of our education. ' aspect of our education. amy nnet.— aspect of our education. amy tteet. vent— aspect of our education. ' a ti.t2t. i 7 well, it's nicol, your nominee? well, it's an honorary greatest- a ti.t2t. i 7 well, it's an honorary greatest britain tnn— an honorary greatest britain tnn veet— an honorary greatest britain this week i've— an honorary greatest britain this week i've gone for beyonce, nne— this week i've gone for beyonce, vvne ttve— this week i've gone for beyonce, vvne ttve st— this week i've gone for beyonce, who gave $1 million to restaurants— who gave $1 million to restaurants in need in including a restaurants in need in including t attenttn— restaurants in need in including a nigerian restaurant in north tenten— a nigerian restaurant in north tenten nne— a nigerian restaurant in north london who got— a nigerian restaurant in north london who got £8,000 off of enneen— london who got £8,000 off of eneen see— london who got £8,000 off of eneen see . — london who got £8,000 off of queen bee . that's- london who got £8,000 off of queen bee . ti- i queen bee. that's quite cool. but queen bee. that's quite cool. nnt tn— queen bee. that's quite cool. but i'm actually— queen bee. that's quite cool. but i'm actually going- queen bee. but i'm actually going to go vvttn— but i'm actually going to go with randall— but i'm actually going to go with randall j.— but i'm actually going to go with randall j. lord dannatt and the with randall j. lord dannatt and tne ttve— with randall j. lord dannatt and tne ttve seneet— with randall j. lord dannatt and the rye school girls who were so tnenettstv— the rye school girls who were so incredibly brave _ the rye school girls who were so incredibly brave to— the rye school girls who were so incredibly brave to fight back ttttnet— incredibly brave to fight back against their— incredibly brave to fight back against their teacher who called tnen — against their teacher who called them despicable— against their teacher who called them despicable just for tettevtnt— them despicable just for believing biological sex. believing in biological sex.

etnet— believing in biological sex. carol—union. carol mcgiffin your union ttettet— carol mcgiffin your union jackass nominee? �*avaat2;.. . jackass nominee? well, it's anttev— jackass nominee? well, it's andrew bailey, the governor of the bank of england, for just being completely useless and blaming else, blaming blaming everybody else, blaming people unreasoned people for asking for unreasoned pay people for asking for unreasoned pay rises, for inflation. so he's got to go , carol. it's all he's got to go, carol. it's all our fault. it's all our fault. yeah. not him. not being a globalist. he's got one job nnenten— globalist. he's got one job monster. one— globalist. he's got one job monster. one job. - g he's got one job monster . 0“t2; a/t2;t?“ globalist. he's got one job monster. one job. yeah. randall jayawardhana, your nominee for union jackass, the labour party. they now say they want to hire a ttventtv— they now say they want to hire a ttventtv ntn— they now say they want to hire a diversity tsar in— they now say they want to hire a diversity tsar in government at ttvntven— diversity tsar in government at taxpayers expense to get more women, more people of ethnic ntnentttee— women, more people of ethnic minorities, more— women, more people of ethnic minorities, more people of vennnt— minorities, more people of working class— minorities, more people of working class backgrounds, eteetet— working class backgrounds, elected parliament. you know, elected to parliament. you know, tet— elected to parliament. you know, tet tn— elected to parliament. you know, we've got an asian— elected to parliament. you know, we've got an asian prime tttnteten— we've got an asian prime minister. we've- we've got an asian prime minister. we've had two in neeent— minister. we've had two in recent succession , female prime recent succession, female prime tttntetene— recent succession, female prime tttnnten. t— recent succession, female prime ministers. i think— recent succession, female prime ministers. i think the party, tent— ministers. i think the party, t tneve — ministers. i think the party, aren't they? “?ti aren't they? that's never had a female. exactly they're the ones tntt— female. exactly they're the ones tntt etn-t— female. exactly they're the ones tntt etn-t te— female. exactly they're the ones that can't do it.— female. exactly they're the ones that can't do it. it's— female. exactly they're the ones that can't do it. it's their- that can't do it. it's their ntnttee— that can't do it. it's their parties problem. they want you, the parties problem. they want you, tne ttvntven— parties problem. they want you, tne ttxntven te — parties problem. they want you, the taxpayer, to pay for it. and tntt-e— the taxpayer, to pay for it. and tntt-e en— the taxpayer, to pay for it. and tntt-e en ten— the taxpayer, to pay for it. and that's on top of— the taxpayer, to pay for it. and that's on top of the £427 nttten— that's on top of the £427 million every— that's on top of the £427 million every year spent on ttventtv— million every year spent on diversity people— million every year spent on diversity people in the public eeent— diversity people in the public e.eeent tnn— diversity people in the public sector. this is— diversity people in the public sector. this is what's got to ten —

sector. this is what's got to eten. ant— sector. this is what's got to eten. ant amy— sector. this is what's got to stop. and amy nick- sector. this is what's got to stop. “i a ti.

needs to go. mcgeough randall, amy, nicole, thank you so much for your company tonight. thank you for your company. all week. my you for your company. all week. my goodness, so much news. well, i'm back monday night from £0.09 pm. having incredible weekend next up, though, it's the folks from headliners. good night.