d0 do you eve of armed forces day. do you think we value our veterans in this country? or quite frankly, do you think we fail them? i know where i stand on that. but what about you? and the economy is in a mess. some saying it is time for taxes to be cut. many saying that that would be immoral and add, did you see the news today about the help that will be offered to mortgage owners? is it enough, though? doesit owners? is it enough, though? does it go far enough or not? of course, we saw the very sad death of the titan five death now of the titan five awful situation . but some are awful situation. but some are saying this should be a red line. it should be time now to stop people going to gawp at the titanic, should it or quite frankly, if you've got enough money, should you be able to do whatever it is that you want? also, some good news for you today, because just stop oil have been running riot, haven't they, up down the streets of they, up and down the streets of this finally, this country. well, finally, everybody , finally common sense everybody, finally common sense has prevailed. you wait till i show you the video that i'll be playing a little bit later on in the program. the police, you

wouldn't your eyes. they wouldn't believe your eyes. they finally them off the road in finally get them off the road in five seconds. it is five 18 seconds. it is fantastic. it'll set your weekend off to a great start. trust me on that. and also happiness . what does it take to happiness. what does it take to make a happy society? we'll have all of that to come and more. but before we get into it, let's bnng but before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with the headlines . bring ourselves up to speed with the headlines. thank you very much, michelle. i'm rory smith. in much, michelle. i'm rory smith. m the— much, michelle. i'm rory smith. m the gb— much, michelle. i'm rory smith. in the gb news— much, michelle. i'm rory smith. in the gb news room.- t m�* i'm rory smith. in the gb news room. mortgage homers— in the gb news room. mortgage holders struggling with repayments— holders struggling with repayments will be giving a 12 month— repayments will be giving a 12 month grace— repayments will be giving a 12 month grace period before repossessions— month grace period before repossessions begin . it follows repossessions begin. it follows talks— repossessions begin. it follows talks between _ repossessions begin. it follows talks between mortgage lenders and the— talks between mortgage lenders and the chancellor this morning on what— and the chancellor this morning on what mee— and the chancellor this morning on what more can— and the chancellor this morning on what more can be done to support— on what more can be done to support struggling households under— support struggling households underwe— support struggling households under the measures being rolled out in— under the measures being rolled out in the— under the measures being rolled out in the coming— under the measures being rolled out in the coming weeks, borrowers will— out in the coming weeks, borrowers will be able to extend the term— borrowers will be able to extend the term et— borrowers will be able to extend the term of their— borrowers will be able to extend the term of their mortgages or temperate— the term of their mortgages or temporarily move— the term of their mortgages or temporarily move to an interest enh— temporarily move to an interest ehty hteh— temporarily move to an interest ehty hteh wett— temporarily move to an interest only plan. well, yesterday the tent— only plan. well, yesterday the tent et— only plan. well, yesterday the bank of england— only plan. well, yesterday the bank of england raised the hteteet— bank of england raised the interest rate _ bank of england raised the interest rate to— bank of england raised the interest rate to 5% to tackle

high — interest rate to 5% to tackle high inflation.— interest rate to 5% to tackle high inflation. jeremy hunt encourages people to ask their mortgage— encourages people to ask their mortgage providers for help . mortgage providers for help. them— mortgage providers for help. labour leader— mortgage providers for help. labour leader sir keir starmer ethe— labour leader sir keir starmer eats the— labour leader sir keir starmer says the government needs to take — says the government needs to take responsibility . take responsibility. i think what— take responsibility. i think what people want is action, not words and what we suggested is that there is a requirement on lenders to take these measures because there are going to be many, many mortgage holders, many, many mortgage holders, many, many mortgage holders, many, many families across the country who are now even more worried about paying their mortgage. that's top of all mortgage. that's on top of all the other bills. and know the other bills. and they know that the government's failed now the other bills. and they know tha13he government's failed now the other bills. and they know tha13 years. ernment's failed now the other bills. and they know tha13 years. theyent's failed now the other bills. and they know tha13 years. they know ailed now the other bills. and they know tha13 years. they know thed now for 13 years. they know the government economy government crashed the economy last they want, last year. what they want, i think, a much stronger sense think, is a much stronger sense that the government is gripping this braintree district council has lost an appeal over plans to use the wethersfield airfield in essex to house asylum seekers. the council brought a legal eetteh— the council brought a legal action against— the council brought a legal action against the home office the— action against the home office over the proposed— action against the home office over the proposed use of the she— over the proposed use of the the te— over the proposed use of the site to accommodate up to 1700 meet— site to accommodate up to 1700 meet eeytuh —

site to accommodate up to 1700 meal asylum seekers for up to six meal asylum seekers for up to eh hehthe. — meal asylum seekers for up to six months. the— meal asylum seekers for up to six months. the local authority argued— six months. the local authority argued proposals— six months. the local authority argued proposals would breach htehhhg— argued proposals would breach planning control— argued proposals would breach planning control ,_ argued proposals would breach planning control, but three judges— planning control, but three judges hete— planning control, but three judges have dismissed the appeal ruling— judges have dismissed the appeal tuthe h— judges have dismissed the appeal ruling in favour— judges have dismissed the appeal ruling in favour of— judges have dismissed the appeal ruling in favour of the home etttee— ruling in favour of the home etttee .— ruling in favour of the home etttee . h— ruling in favour of the home etttee . a 25— ruling in favour of the home office . a 25 year— ruling in favour of the home office . a 25 year old man has office. a 25 year old man has been— office. a 25 year old man has been tethe— office. a 25 year old man has been found guilty— office. a 25 year old man has been found guilty of murdering a met been found guilty of murdering a het hettee— been found guilty of murdering a met police officer— been found guilty of murdering a met police officer in south tehteh— met police officer in south tehteh h— met police officer in south london in 2020. luis de soysa thet— london in 2020. luis de soysa shot that— london in 2020. luis de soysa shot matt ratana_ london in 2020. luis de soysa shot matt ratana in the chest at a tethe— shot matt ratana in the chest at a police station— shot matt ratana in the chest at a police station in— shot matt ratana in the chest at a police station in croydon ettet— a police station in croydon after smuggling in an antique revevett ent— after smuggling in an antique revolver and opening fire while eth— revolver and opening fire while etttt h— revolver and opening fire while still in handcuffs— revolver and opening fire while still in handcuffs as a result, the— still in handcuffs as a result, the independent— still in handcuffs as a result, the independent office for tethe— the independent office for police conduct— the independent office for police conduct recommends heht—hett— police conduct recommends hand—held metal detectors should be hand—held metal detectors should he tutet— hand—held metal detectors should he tutet eut— hand—held metal detectors should be ruled out, ruled— hand—held metal detectors should be ruled out, ruled out by all teeee— be ruled out, ruled out by all teeee .— be ruled out, ruled out by all teeee . he— be ruled out, ruled out by all forces . as met— be ruled out, ruled out by all forces . as met police forces. as met police commissioner sir mark rowley forces. as met police— commissioner sir mark rowley has pett— commissioner sir mark rowley has the thhute— commissioner sir mark rowley has the thhute te— commissioner sir mark rowley has paid tribute to sergeant ratana . hatt— paid tribute to sergeant ratana . matt dedicated— paid tribute to sergeant ratana . matt dedicated 30- paid tribute to sergeant ratana . 30 " . matt dedicated 30 years of his life to policing. he was nearing retirement when he was tragically murdered . he was an tragically murdered. he was an outstanding officer who brought joy outstanding officer who brought joy to his work. he outstanding officer who brought joy to his work . he treated joy to his work. he treated everyone with respect, with compassion , often, and with good

compassion, often, and with good humour . in compassion, often, and with good humour. in the days after his death, tributes flowed in from matt's colleagues from communities, from those he served , and from those who knew served, and from those who knew him in his life outside policing. they were a testament to the man that he was . a policing. they were a testament to the man that he was. a man has pleaded guilty— to the man that he was. a man has pleaded guilty to- to the man that he was. a man has pleaded guilty to the- has pleaded guilty to the manslaughter— has pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of 39 people found teet— manslaughter of 39 people found teat h— manslaughter of 39 people found teat th e— manslaughter of 39 people found teat th e teth— manslaughter of 39 people found dead in a lorry trailer in essex in dead in a lorry trailer in essex th 20th.— dead in a lorry trailer in essex th zete. so— dead in a lorry trailer in essex in 2019. 50 year— dead in a lorry trailer in essex in 2019. 50 year old marius hteght — in 2019. 50 year old marius hteght wee— in 2019. 50 year old marius draghi was detained by police in tehehte— draghi was detained by police in tehehte teet— draghi was detained by police in romania last year. _ draghi was detained by police in romania last year. he was charged— romania last year. he was charged with— romania last year. he was charged with 39 counts of manslaughter— charged with 39 counts of manslaughter and conspiracy to asset— manslaughter and conspiracy to assist unlawful— manslaughter and conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration. hee— assist unlawful immigration. he-e etteeet— assist unlawful immigration. he's alleged to— assist unlawful immigration. he's alleged to be the ringleader— he's alleged to be the ringleader of- he's alleged to be the ringleader of a people smuggling gang— ringleader of a people smuggling gang h— ringleader of a people smuggling the th 20h.— ringleader of a people smuggling gang in 2021. four— ringleader of a people smuggling gang in 2021. four other defendants— gang in 2021. four other defendants were jailed for their retes— defendants were jailed for their tetee h— defendants were jailed for their tetee th the— defendants were jailed for their roles in the deaths . strikes at roles in the deaths. strikes at heethtew— roles in the deaths. strikes at heathrow will— roles in the deaths. strikes at heathrow will end as airport eeeuhty— heathrow will end as airport security workers— heathrow will end as airport security workers accept an thhtevet— security workers accept an thptevet pey— security workers accept an improved pay deal. more than 2000— improved pay deal. more than 2000 steth— improved pay deal. more than 2000 staff members were due to ethte— 2000 staff members were due to ethte tet— 2000 staff members were due to ethte tee et— 2000 staff members were due to strike for 31 days— 2000 staff members were due to strike for 31 days throughout the — strike for 31 days throughout the summer. unite union says

wetetet— the summer. unite union says wetetet wttt— the summer. unite union says workers will receive a pay et— workers will receive a pay et .— workers will receive a pay increase of . between 15.5 and increase of. between 15.5 and the. — increase of. between 15.5 and 17.5. junior— increase of. between 15.5 and 17.5. junior doctors in england wttt— 175. junior doctors in england wttt ethe— 175. junior doctors in england will strike for— 17.5. junior doctors in england will strike for five days from july— will strike for five days from july the— will strike for five days from july the teth. — will strike for five days from july the 13th. the british wetteet— july the 13th. the british medical association says it's the— medical association says it's the teheeet— medical association says it's the longest single period of htwethet— the longest single period of industrial action in the history of industrial action in the history et the— industrial action in the history of the health— industrial action in the history of the health service . it's part of the health service. it's part of the health service. it's part et e— of the health service. it's part et e tene— of the health service. it's part of a long running— of the health service. it's part of a long running dispute with the government— of a long running dispute with the government over pay and etetthe— the government over pay and etetthg .— the government over pay and etetthg . a— the government over pay and staffing . a recent bms survey staffing. a recent bms survey ehewe— staffing. a recent bms survey ehewe junior— staffing. a recent bms survey shows junior doctors are teeetwhe— shows junior doctors are receiving more job offers to wett— receiving more job offers to work abroad— receiving more job offers to work abroad since strikes were announced four— work abroad since strikes were announced four months ago and the tewet— announced four months ago and the royal family— announced four months ago and the royal family were out in here— the royal family were out in here tetew— the royal family were out in force today at— the royal family were out in force today at ascot . the king force today at ascot. the king ehe— force today at ascot. the king and eweeh— force today at ascot. the king and eweeh thew— force today at ascot. the king and queen, they led the traditional— and queen, they led the traditional royal carriage peetheeee— traditional royal carriage procession that was around the pewte— procession that was around the hetete the— procession that was around the parade ring today— procession that was around the parade ring today in glorious ewheheh— parade ring today in glorious sunshine. following them eheeweeet— sunshine. following them encouraged behind was the prince and hheeee— encouraged behind was the prince and princess of— encouraged behind was the prince and princess of wales. kate was weathe— and princess of wales. kate was weehhe e— and princess of wales. kate was weehhe e tet— and princess of wales. kate was wearing a red alexander mcqueen treee— wearing a red alexander mcqueen tree the— wearing a red alexander mcqueen tree the e— wearing a red alexander mcqueen dress and a matching philip heeew— dress and a matching philip heeew hat.— dress and a matching philip treacy hat. and— dress and a matching philip treacy hat. and then behind them in treacy hat. and then behind them he ehethet— treacy hat. and then behind them in another carriage— treacy hat. and then behind them

in another carriage was acting tewettw. — in another carriage was acting tewettw. hehe— in another carriage was acting royalty. dame judi dench, who h— royalty. dame judi dench, who th the— royalty. dame judi dench, who was in the processions , fourth was in the processions, fourth eewtege— was in the processions, fourth eewteee .— was in the processions, fourth eewtege . tw— was in the processions, fourth carriage . tv online dup plus carriage. tv online dup plus tethe— carriage. tv online dup plus tette ehe— carriage. tv online dup plus tette eht eh— carriage. tv online dup plus radio and on tune—in. this is gb wewe. — radio and on tune—in. this is gb wewe. who.— radio and on tune—in. this is gb news. nato. back— radio and on tune—in. this is gb news. nato. back to . news. nato. back to. michelle nette— news. nato. back to. michelle l hette there. — news. nato. back to. michelle i hello there. i'm _ news. nato. back to. michelle - hello there. i'm michellel hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight michelle tonight alongside michelle pickles, director reform. pickles, the director of reform. think embery, the think tank, and paul embery, the writer broadcaster and firefighter. evening to firefighter. good evening to both of you. you know the drill as well. don't you? it's not just about us three here. it's you at home. what's on your mind tonight? lots of getting in tonight? lots of you getting in touch that breaking story, touch about that breaking story, about that base about that military base in essex that now will house 1700 men. what on earth is going on? surely that is asking for trouble, isn't it? or am i deluded and it's all going to be fine? your thoughts?

vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweet me at gb news. but that is the story that i want to start with tonight. as you've just been hearing, it broke literally about an hour or so ago. the fact that braintree, braintree council lost their appeal against the government. they didn't want these male migrants to be housed at the raf airfield in essex . but no, they said no. in essex. but no, they said no. and it is indeed going to happen. 1700 men at wethersfield airfield. now, joining me down the line to get into this story because, of course, you'll be familiar with the fact that it's seven years to the day that we voted for brexit. so former brexit party mep ben habib is here with me tonight . ben, good here with me tonight. ben, good evening. you and i and millions of us, we voted brexit in one of the reasons for many people was to get control of our borders. when we sit here and we have record numbers of people crossing the channel, we have net migration of over 600,000

people, increasing the population . often people say population. often people say it's out of control . when we it's out of control. when we hear stories like this one tonight, seven, 1400 men to be housed in a base like this. i think the world is going mad. i think the world is going mad. i think this is the exact opposite of what we voted for. your thoughts? well i couldn't agree more. you know , central to the more. you know, central to the tet— more. you know, central to the case for brexit. _ more. you know, central to the case for brexit. and,- 011i: you know, central to the case for brexit. and, you know, and:— case for brexit. and, you know, the, wee— case for brexit. and, you know, the, you thew,— case for brexit. and, you know, and, you know, championed by hehe— and, you know, championed by boris johnson— and, you know, championed by boris johnson and— and, you know, championed by boris johnson and laid out very eteettw— boris johnson and laid out very eteettw h— boris johnson and laid out very eteettw th the— boris johnson and laid out very clearly in the conservative party— clearly in the conservative party manifesto of the 2019 generat— party manifesto of the 2019 general election was taking back eehttet— general election was taking back control amongst— general election was taking back control amongst other things, of our control amongst other things, of hettete— control amongst other things, of hettete .— control amongst other things, of our borders . and— control amongst other things, of our borders . and what does it our borders. and what does it te— our borders. and what does it te he— our borders. and what does it mean to be sovereign if you eeh-t— mean to be sovereign if you can't control— mean to be sovereign if you can't control your border? and t-h — can't control your border? and t-h ehehe— can't control your border? and i'm afraid that— can't control your border? and i'm afraid that the government eheheh— i'm afraid that the government ethetw heeh-t— i'm afraid that the government simply hasn't understood that teeter— simply hasn't understood that border control— simply hasn't understood that border control starts at the entw— border control starts at the entry hte — border control starts at the entry into british territorial tee— entry into british territorial tee et— entry into british territorial waters of these _ entry into british territorial waters of these boats. you can't exercise border— waters of these boats. you can't exercise border control as thew-we— exercise border control as they've sought- exercise border control as they've sought to do through ever more complex deportation ehehee— ever more complex deportation ehehee ehe— ever more complex deportation schemes and domestic laws teetghet— schemes and domestic laws teetghet te— schemes and domestic laws designed to fight the problem.

ehee— designed to fight the problem. the the— designed to fight the problem. once the problem lands on your eheee— once the problem lands on your eheee .— once the problem lands on your shores . actually,— once the problem lands on your shores . actually, we already shores. actually, we already heeeeee— shores. actually, we already peeeeee eth— shores. actually, we already possess all the— shores. actually, we already possess all the international taw— possess all the international tewwe— possess all the international tew we need— possess all the international law we need on— possess all the international law we need on our side to stop theee— law we need on our side to stop theee teete— law we need on our side to stop those boats entering our waters . ahe— those boats entering our waters . aht hetere— those boats entering our waters . and before, you— those boats entering our waters . and before, you know, the hewttehte— . and before, you know, the inevitable pushback about this being— inevitable pushback about this hehe e— inevitable pushback about this being a humanitarian crisis, thew-te— being a humanitarian crisis, they're coming— being a humanitarian crisis, they're coming from war torn eewhtee — they're coming from war torn eewhtee we— they're coming from war torn countries. we need to take a eeh— countries. we need to take a eett et— countries. we need to take a eett et veh— countries. we need to take a sort of very magnanimous welcome , ehethhe— sort of very magnanimous welcome , ehethhe wew— sort of very magnanimous welcome , eheththg et— sort of very magnanimous welcome , charming view of them. you thew,— , charming view of them. you knew ten-t— , charming view of them. you know, don't forget, these people are know, don't forget, these people eehhe— know, don't forget, these people are coming from _ know, don't forget, these people are coming from france. they're eheheh— are coming from france. they're etteetw ette— are coming from france. they're etteetw eete .— are coming from france. they're already safe . there is no threat already safe. there is no threat to already safe. there is no threat te theh— already safe. there is no threat to their human— already safe. there is no threat to their human rights in france . wet— to their human rights in france . wet thet— to their human rights in france . wet thet th— to their human rights in france . not that i'm aware of anyway. ahe— . not that i'm aware of anyway. and ee— . not that i'm aware of anyway. and wee— . not that i'm aware of anyway. and so, you know,— . not that i'm aware of anyway. and so, you know, we've just got to and so, you know, we've just got te tate— and so, you know, we've just got to take control— and so, you know, we've just got to take control of— and so, you know, we've just got to take control of our borders the— to take control of our borders the ee— to take control of our borders the ee ._ to take control of our borders and as i mentioned, we have all the international— and as i mentioned, we have all the international laws on our ette. — the international laws on our ette. ahe— the international laws on our side. and unless— the international laws on our side. and unless we do that, thehet— side. and unless we do that, michel, we're— side. and unless we do that, michel, we're going to see much mete-the.— michel, we're going to see much more-this. rural— michel, we're going to see much more this. rural communities more of this. rural communities . thte— more of this. rural communities . thte te— more of this. rural communities . thte te wee— more of this. rural communities . this is you know,— more of this. rural communities . this is you know, this is teeptw— . this is you know, this is teeetw twat— . this is you know, this is deeply rural countryside. we're going— deeply rural countryside. we're going te— deeply rural countryside. we're going te eee— deeply rural countryside. we're going to see rural— deeply rural countryside. we're going to see rural communities wtth— going to see rural communities wtth theee— going to see rural communities with these people— going to see rural communities with these people brought into it. with these people brought into tt. thew-te— with these people brought into tt. thew-e het— with these people brought into it. they're not going to be petteeet— it. they're not going to be policed. they're- it. they're not going to be policed. they're not being teetet— policed. they're not being locked remember they're locked up. remember they're thew-th— locked up. remember they're thew-ttlttee— locked up. remember they're they'll-free to _ locked up. remember they're they'll-free to go- locked up. remember they're they'll free to go and they'll be free to go and come as they'll be free to go and come ee-hteeee.— they'll be free to go and come ee-hteeee. ahe- they'll be free to go and come as please. and that's going as they please. and that's going to

as they please. and that's going te temege— as they please. and that's going te temeee the— as they please. and that's going to damage the country . as they please. and that's going to damage the country. i mean, there-e— to damage the country. i mean, there-e he— to damage the country. i mean, there's no other— to damage the country. i mean, there's no other way to say it. he— there's no other way to say it. we going— there's no other way to say it. we going te— there's no other way to say it. it's going to damage the eewhtw. — it's going to damage the country. yeah,- it's going to damage the country. “in?" it's going to damage the country. “43?“ tttitt. it's going to damage the country. “43?" ti.t1 ' t: country. yeah, of course. and it's not this airfield it's not just this airfield ehhen it's not just this airfield either. mean, there's other either. i mean, there's other ones discussed at length, ones we've discussed at length, the lincolnshire, the the one in lincolnshire, the former the dambusters, former home of the dambusters, former home of the dambusters, for imminently for example, imminently set to receive their first, i think it's 250 initially going up to about 1800 2000 people. and i do i worry if i was living in those areas, i mean, you're just going to have these people for up to six months. the one in essex, they can't work or they've got nothing to do and i mean, who thinks that this is almost lost for words as to who? ben would think that this was a good say , think that this was a good say, safe, logical thing to do . you safe, logical thing to do. you know, we tend to see the we tend to see this through the cost of housing these people. and of course, that's a really- course, that's a really thheheht— course, that's a really important way to look at it. but there— important way to look at it. but there he— important way to look at it. but there he ee— important way to look at it. but there is, as we've— important way to look at it. but there is, as we've just touched wee— there is, as we've just touched you thew,— there is, as we've just touched on, you know, the— there is, as we've just touched on, you know, the social fabric thhtteettehe— on, you know, the social fabric implications of— on, you know, the social fabric implications of taking men whom we ten-t— implications of taking men whom we teh-t thew,— implications of taking men whom we don't know, the— implications of taking men whom we don't know, the origins of whe— we don't know, the origins of whe we— we don't know, the origins of whe we thew,— we don't know, the origins of

who we know, nothing about in tethe— who we know, nothing about in tethe et— who we know, nothing about in terms of their— who we know, nothing about in terms of their background , their terms of their background, their weweet— terms of their background, their wetwee -wewe— terms of their background, their values, views about the values, their views about the uhttet— values, their views about the united kingdom _ values, their views about the united kingdom and what their hteht— united kingdom and what their hteht te— united kingdom and what their intent is while— united kingdom and what their intent is while they're here, eht— intent is while they're here, the wet— intent is while they're here, and just dumping them into rural eehhwhtttee— and just dumping them into rural communities where there's bound to communities where there's bound te he— communities where there's bound te he ttweteh— communities where there's bound te he ttweteh .— communities where there's bound to be division . you— communities where there's bound to be division . you know, you to be division. you know, you eeh-t— to be division. you know, you eeh-t htehe— to be division. you know, you can't blame the— to be division. you know, you can't blame the communities if thew-te— can't blame the communities if thew-re het— can't blame the communities if they're not happy— can't blame the communities if they're not happy about it. and ehwewetw— they're not happy about it. and obviously, braintree council hete— obviously, braintree council hete eeh— obviously, braintree council hete eett et— obviously, braintree council here sort of sort— obviously, braintree council here sort of sort an injunction egehet— here sort of sort an injunction egehet ht.— here sort of sort an injunction against it. and— here sort of sort an injunction against it. and bizarrely , the against it. and bizarrely, the high— against it. and bizarrely, the htgh cewtt— against it. and bizarrely, the high court judge decided he ttth-t— high court judge decided he ttth-t hete— high court judge decided he didn't have the— high court judge decided he didn't have the legal authority to didn't have the legal authority te greet— didn't have the legal authority te gteht thet— didn't have the legal authority to grant that injunction. ian, he went— to grant that injunction. ian, he didn't even— to grant that injunction. ian, he didn't even hear the case. he twet— he didn't even hear the case. he twet eehe— he didn't even hear the case. he twet eett he— he didn't even hear the case. he just said he didn't— he didn't even hear the case. he just said he didn't have the heat— just said he didn't have the legal authority. _ just said he didn't have the legal authority. they legal authority. so they eppeetet— appealed to the appeals court the— appealed to the appeals court the the— appealed to the appeals court and the appeals— appealed to the appeals court and the appeals court, appeals eewtt— and the appeals court, appeals court sustained— and the appeals court, appeals court sustained the court's court sustained the high court's htttet— court sustained the high court's initial judgement. _ court sustained the high court's initial judgement. and you know, where— initial judgement. and you know, where te— initial judgement. and you know, where do communities go if they hete— where do communities go if they have the— where do communities go if they have this kind— where do communities go if they have this kind of— where do communities go if they have this kind of top down enforcement— have this kind of top down enforcement of— have this kind of top down enforcement of 1700 people, in the— enforcement of 1700 people, in thte etee— enforcement of 1700 people, in this case thousands elsewhere for this case thousands elsewhere tet et— this case thousands elsewhere tet et teete— this case thousands elsewhere for of people, they just simply do for of people, they just simply te het— for of people, they just simply te het thew,— for of people, they just simply do not know, cannot understand the— do not know, cannot understand the ther— do not know, cannot understand and their backgrounds can't not teetetete— and their backgrounds can't not teetetete tet— and their backgrounds can't not legislate for what— and their backgrounds can't not legislate for what they might do whtte— legislate for what they might do whtte thew-re — legislate for what they might do while they're in— legislate for what they might do while they're in those local communities. _ while they're in those local communities. it'sjust while they're in those local communities. it's just bad, bad, het—

communities. it's just bad, bad, het .— communities. it's just bad, bad, het . whtt— communities. it's just bad, bad, het . aht, yew— communities. it's just bad, bad, bad . and, you know, when you bad. and, you know, when you th the— bad. and, you know, when you were in the opening, in your ehehhg— were in the opening, in your opening comments , michelle, you opening comments, michelle, you hehttehet— opening comments, michelle, you mentioned this— opening comments, michelle, you mentioned this being veterans weet. — mentioned this being veterans weet. -thete — mentioned this being veterans week. -there are- mentioned this being veterans week. there are 16,000 week. well, there are 16,000 veterans sleeping rough . you veterans sleeping rough. you thew,— veterans sleeping rough. you knew we— veterans sleeping rough. you know, we don't— veterans sleeping rough. you know, we don't give them this the— know, we don't give them this the et— know, we don't give them this kind of priority.— know, we don't give them this kind of priority. and i'd much tether— kind of priority. and i'd much tether-them— kind of priority. and i'd much rather-them in- kind of priority. and i'd much rather them in an airfield rather have them in an airfield then— rather have them in an airfield than t— rather have them in an airfield than t wewtet— rather have them in an airfield than i would, you— rather have them in an airfield than i would, you know, these peehte— than i would, you know, these peehtelwheh— than i would, you know, these peoplelwhom we- than i would, you know, these people whom we know nothing. people of whom we know nothing. and people of whom we know nothing. ant-thereu— people of whom we know nothing. and -there'll be— people of whom we know nothing. and there'll be some people and ben, there'll be some people ttetehhe— and ben, there'll be some people ttetehhe-ttw— and ben, there'll be some people listening-my final- listening to this. my final question they'll say, oh, question and they'll say, oh, you , pack it in, you guys. you know, pack it in, you guys. you're mongering. you're you're fear mongering. you're projecting that these people are somehow dangerous people when they're they're just they're not. they're just desperate what would you desperate people. what would you say about to criticism? um, say about to that criticism? um, well, fundamental, well, it's a fundamental, philosophically comment philosophically unsound comment to make if they're no one can equally argue that they're not dangerous and accuse us of unfairly accusing them of being dangerous. you know , you can't dangerous. you know, you can't hete— dangerous. you know, you can't have teth— dangerous. you know, you can't have both things.— dangerous. you know, you can't have both things. the- 33 you know, you can't have both things. the point is, the ee— have both things. the point is, the reason we— have both things. the point is, the reason we have border eehttete— the reason we have border controls, the _ the reason we have border controls, the reason we require theee— controls, the reason we require te— controls, the reason we require te ee— controls, the reason we require visas is so that— controls, the reason we require visas is so that we— controls, the reason we require visas is so that we can ensure thet— visas is so that we can ensure that heeete— visas is so that we can ensure that people aren't— visas is so that we can ensure that people aren't dangerous, thet— that people aren't dangerous, thet thew— that people aren't dangerous, that they don't— that people aren't dangerous, that they don't have mal intent, thet— that they don't have mal intent, that thew— that they don't have mal intent, that they aren't— that they don't have mal intent, that they aren't criminals eehhe— that they aren't criminals eehhe-ew- that they aren't criminals coming our country. and i'm coming into our country. and i'm ehehe— coming into our country. and i'm whtte-e— coming into our country. and i'm afraid-a complete— coming into our country. and i'm afraid a complete collapse afraid it's a complete collapse

in afraid it's a complete collapse th hetttteet— afraid it's a complete collapse in political will— afraid it's a complete collapse in political will that we're not prepared— in political will that we're not prepared te— in political will that we're not prepared to see— in political will that we're not prepared to see that through hte— prepared to see that through into—control- prepared to see that through into—control of. prepared to see that through into control of our into the actual control of our hettete. — into the actual control of our hettete. t— into the actual control of our borders. i know— into the actual control of our borders. i know. - into the actual control of our borders. i know. t:t:::t �*"t:i;t:1 borders. i know. i do. i feel the— borders. i know. i do. i feel like the world is going mad. but ben habib, thank you very much for your time and your response to that tonight. paul mbappe. and the way, if you live in and by the way, if you live in one of these areas i've just mentioned , scampton, we're mentioned, rf scampton, we're talking about essex. you talking here about essex. you know, how do you feel? because if someone told me right, michel, just around the corner from where you live, we're going to stick 1700 men. we probably don't really know who they are . don't really know who they are. if we're to believe the stories . and by the way, i say this with a monumental pinch of salt, by the way, because i don't really believe a lot of the stories. but anyway, if i am to do as i'm told and believe that these people are desperate people of of people merely in seek of kind of sanctuary safety, sanctuary and safety, despite the that we're already the fact that we're already safe. but i'll park that anyway if i'm then sitting i if i'm then sitting there. and i think but if these people think but then if these people are coming from torn are coming from war torn destinations, an destinations, they have an entirely different culture to ours. entirely different way

ours. and entirely different way of working , of thinking, of of working, of thinking, of operating, of existing from completely different worlds. you're picking them up and you're putting them on mass to the tune of 1700 people. how can anyone think that this is a good idea ? look, i agree and i think idea? look, i agree and i think it's idea? look, i agree and i think he eh— idea? look, i agree and i think it's an entirely— 3“ look, i agree and i think it's an entirely understandable hethet— it's an entirely understandable instinct sentiment to say , look, instinct sentiment to say, look, we're uneasy about this. if yew-te— we're uneasy about this. if wewhe going— we're uneasy about this. if wewhe going te— we're uneasy about this. if you're going to put 7500, mainly young— you're going to put 7500, mainly young heh— you're going to put 7500, mainly young wheee— you're going to put 7500, mainly young men whose background we ten-t— young men whose background we teh-t thew— young men whose background we don't know and— young men whose background we don't know and among whom there may— don't know and among whom there may he— don't know and among whom there may he ewttwte— don't know and among whom there may be culture differences tempered— may be culture differences eehpetet te— may be culture differences compared to themselves and the and compared to themselves and the the the— compared to themselves and the and the native— compared to themselves and the and the native population in here.— and the native population in here. wett— and the native population in here. well, there definitely. wett— here. well, there definitely. wett tt-e— here. well, there definitely. well, it's not— here. well, there definitely. well, it's not maybe if you're gehwhetw— well, it's not maybe if you're genuinely coming from i don't swteh— genuinely coming from i don't sudan, eritrea,— genuinely coming from i don't sudan, eritrea, wherever where there— sudan, eritrea, wherever where there — sudan, eritrea, wherever where there hwge— sudan, eritrea, wherever where there are huge cultural differences.— there are huge cultural differences. no i get that. and you— differences. no i get that. and wew thew— differences. no i get that. and you knew heeete— differences. no i get that. and you know people around wethersfield— you know people around wethersfield and other places thet— wethersfield and other places that mew— wethersfield and other places that may he— wethersfield and other places that may be earmarked for this eett— that may be earmarked for this eett et— that may be earmarked for this sort of scheme— that may be earmarked for this sort of scheme in— that may be earmarked for this sort of scheme in the future whtt— sort of scheme in the future wttt het— sort of scheme in the future will not naturally be regarded as xenophobic— will not naturally be regarded as xenophobic and as little thgtehtete— as xenophobic and as little englanders and— as xenophobic and as little englanders and at the most etehe— englanders and at the most extreme racists— englanders and at the most extreme racists and bigoted. but

eetwettw— extreme racists and bigoted. but eetwettw wee— extreme racists and bigoted. but eetwettw wee .— extreme racists and bigoted. but actually, yes, i do— extreme racists and bigoted. but actually, yes, i do think it's an understandable human reaction to an understandable human reaction te he— an understandable human reaction te he eew— an understandable human reaction to be uneasy about— an understandable human reaction to be uneasy about that . but the to be uneasy about that. but the htehteh— to be uneasy about that. but the htehteh te— to be uneasy about that. but the problem is this— to be uneasy about that. but the problem is this they have to go somewhere where,— problem is this they have to go somewhere where, you know, there-e— somewhere where, you know, there-e woo— somewhere where, you know, there's 1700 men— somewhere where, you know, there's 1700 men who have turned up. there's 1700 men who have turned we. went— there's 1700 men who have turned we. went et— there's 1700 men who have turned we. many et them,— there's 1700 men who have turned up. many of them, i— there's 1700 men who have turned up. many of them, i suspect, are undocumented— up. many of them, i suspect, are undocumented on— up. many of them, i suspect, are undocumented on our shores. thew-te— undocumented on our shores. they're here.— undocumented on our shores. they're here-just. they're here. we can't just teete— they're here. we can't just teewe them— they're here. we can't just leave them homeless. we've got to leave them homeless. we've got te hwt— leave them homeless. we've got te hwt them— leave them homeless. we've got to put them somewhere . and it to put them somewhere. and it ethtee— to put them somewhere. and it ethtee he— to put them somewhere. and it strikes me that— to put them somewhere. and it strikes me that an— to put them somewhere. and it strikes me that an raf barracks, a strikes me that an raf barracks, whethe— strikes me that an raf barracks, e t wtt— strikes me that an raf barracks, a former raf barracks, provided it's a former raf barracks, provided tt-e wtth— a former raf barracks, provided it's warm, provided it's civilised,— it's warm, provided it's civilised, it's- it's warm, provided it's civilised, it's probably as good a civilised, it's probably as good e httee— civilised, it's probably as good e httee ee— civilised, it's probably as good e the we thw— civilised, it's probably as good a place as any. and the truth is we hete— a place as any. and the truth is we have het— a place as any. and the truth is we have not had— a place as any. and the truth is we have not had a— a place as any. and the truth is we have not had a particularly tetr— we have not had a particularly fair dispersal— we have not had a particularly fair dispersal policy in this eewhtw— fair dispersal policy in this eewhtw h— fair dispersal policy in this country in recent years . when it country in recent years. when it te— country in recent years. when it comes to migrants,— country in recent years. when it comes to migrants, it seems to he— comes to migrants, it seems to he thet— comes to migrants, it seems to he that meet— comes to migrants, it seems to me that most migrants end up in pretty— me that most migrants end up in pretty peer— me that most migrants end up in pretty poor working class areas whee— pretty poor working class areas where yew— pretty poor working class areas where, you know,— pretty poor working class areas where, you know, that puts pressure on already stretched hwhtte— pressure on already stretched public services— pressure on already stretched public services and wages and so on. public services and wages and so ee— public services and wages and so se .— public services and wages and so se t gweee— public services and wages and so se t gweee ht— public services and wages and so on. so i guess if there is to be a on. so i guess if there is to be e henettt— on. so i guess if there is to be e hehettt, yew— on. so i guess if there is to be a benefit, you could say, well, you— a benefit, you could say, well, wew thew,— a benefit, you could say, well, you know, there's— a benefit, you could say, well, you know, there's places that het— you know, there's places that are not necessarily used to getthg— are not necessarily used to getting migrants who are now teeewhg— getting migrants who are now receiving them.— getting migrants who are now receiving them. but look, there-e— receiving them. but look, there-e e— receiving them. but look, there's a much- receiving them. but look, there's a much bigger, more

fundamental— there's a much bigger, more fundamental here. and fundamental problem here. and it's fundamental problem here. and hte-teet— fundamental problem here. and tt-e-teet thet— fundamental problem here. and it's-fact that the— it's the fact that the immigration utterly immigration system is utterly eheheh— immigration system is utterly tweteh .— immigration system is utterly broken . there's— immigration system is utterly broken . there's no getting away broken. there's no getting away heh— broken. there's no getting away hem ht— broken. there's no getting away hem tt .— broken. there's no getting away hem tt . ahe— broken. there's no getting away from it . and for— broken. there's no getting away from it . and for as— broken. there's no getting away from it . and for as long as that from it. and for as long as that the— from it. and for as long as that remains the case— from it. and for as long as that remains the case and there's not a remains the case and there's not e-hteh— remains the case and there's not e-hteh te— remains the case and there's not a-plan to rectify- a serious plan to rectify it, whteh— a serious plan to rectify it, whtehlteh-t— a serious plan to rectify it, which don't think is, which i don't think there is, theee— which i don't think there is, theee-ete— which i don't think there is, these-are going- which i don't think there is, these are going to keep these stories are going to keep happening-— these stories are going to keep heppenhe-t- these stories are going to keep happening. i agree happening. charlotte i agree temetw— happening. charlotte i agree temetw wtth— happening. charlotte i agree largely with what's said, largely with what's been said, eht— largely with what's been said, ehtlthht— largely with what's been said, and think actually one of the and i think actually one of the hteeeet— and i think actually one of the htggeet teewee— and i think actually one of the biggest issues here the biggest issues here is, is the eeete— biggest issues here is, is the eeetelewtthe— biggest issues here is, is the scale-putting, as- biggest issues here is, is the scale putting, as we've scale of putting, as we've hehe,— scale of putting, as we've heard, almost— scale of putting, as we've heard, almost 2000 people in a teeth— heard, almost 2000 people in a teettw emett— heard, almost 2000 people in a really emett .— heard, almost 2000 people in a really small , absolute disgrace really small, absolute disgrace tweet— really small, absolute disgrace rural area . and— really small, absolute disgrace rural area . and i— really small, absolute disgrace rural area. “i really small, absolute disgrace rural area . “ti rural area. and i think that's right. but but i think, you know, paul is absolutely right that the people are here. i'm sure the government would be delighted if ben has a solution as to to how prevent them crossing the water in the first place. i'm sure we'd all be delighted if there was an answer to that. but but most people who say those sorts of comments say say those sorts of comments actually don't have a solution to stop so once to how you stop it. so once people here, i'm people are here, i'm uncomfortable this uncomfortable with this approach. you know, approach. i think it you know, i think is i think the think it is risky. i think the volume of people that we're looking to put a really small looking to put in a really small community is not appropriate .

community is not appropriate. but we do need to house them and, you know, ben said , well, and, you know, ben said, well, we shouldn't really be thinking about the cost, but we are spending millions every day on hotels . i spending millions every day on hotels. i don't spending millions every day on hotels . i don't think spending millions every day on hotels. i don't think most people think that is a sensible use of finance is. but ultimately, again , i agree with ultimately, again, i agree with paul that we need to sort out the immigration system because what we need is people landing here rapid processing to make a decision as fast as we can as to whether they are indeed actual asylum seekers and they are desperate or if they are economic migrants or, you know, that they've lied about their age or whatever it might be. because we can do it quickly, because if we can do it quickly, we can send people home quickly. if it's not appropriate. the whole immigration- if it's not appropriate. the whole immigration let's if it's not appropriate. the wh bluntimigration let's if it's not appropriate. the wh blunt abouttion let's if it's not appropriate. the wh blunt about it,i let's if it's not appropriate. the wh blunt about it, is let's if it's not appropriate. the wh blunt about it, is a let's �*" the wh blunt about it, is a running s be blunt about it, is a running sore in our politics and in our eeetetw— sore in our politics and in our eeetetw whteh — sore in our politics and in our eeetetw whteh t— sore in our politics and in our society, which i think has got teet— society, which i think has got real fundamental issues for the whete— real fundamental issues for the whete eeheeht— real fundamental issues for the whole concept of— real fundamental issues for the whole concept of democracy. heeewee— whole concept of democracy. heeewee h— whole concept of democracy. because if you _ whole concept of democracy. because if you get millions of peehte— because if you get millions of teeth the— because if you get millions of people time and— because if you get millions of people time and again, vote for a people time and again, vote for e hetttteet— people time and again, vote for e hetttteet petty— people time and again, vote for a political party who promises to a political party who promises te mehege— a political party who promises to manage immigration properly. tweet— to manage immigration properly. heet et— to manage immigration properly.

heet et theee— to manage immigration properly. most of these people are pro—immigration , by the way, in pro—immigration, by the way, in terme— pro—immigration, by the way, in tetme et— pro—immigration, by the way, in tetme et the— pro—immigration, by the way, in terms of the voters. they just went— terms of the voters. they just went ht— terms of the voters. they just want it regulated— terms of the voters. they just want it regulated and managed pfoperly-_ want it regulated and managed hehettw. wht— want it regulated and managed hehettw. the h— want it regulated and managed properly. and if time and again thew— properly. and if time and again they vete— properly. and if time and again they wete tet— properly. and if time and again they vote for a _ properly. and if time and again they vote for a party which etmptw— they vote for a party which empty-ehh- they vote for a party whichi simply-carry-its simply doesn't carry out its hemteee— simply doesn't carry out its promises actually makes you promises and actually makes you thew,— promises and actually makes you thew-the— promises and actually makes you know,-the figures- promises and actually makes you know, the figures up know, you see the figures go up the— know, you see the figures go up mt wh— know, you see the figures go up mt we the— know, you see the figures go up mt we mt wh— know, you see the figures go up and up and up the— know, you see the figures go up and up and up the whole time. if thew— and up and up the whole time. if they vete— and up and up the whole time. if they wete h— and up and up the whole time. if they wete th e— and up and up the whole time. if they vote in a referendum, as thew— they vote in a referendum, as thew-h— they vote in a referendum, as they-in-because- they vote in a referendum, as they in because they they did in 2016 because they wanted— they did in 2016 because they wehtet-et— they did in 2016 because they wanted -of free - they did in 2016 because they wanted of free movement, wanted control of free movement, if wanted control of free movement, tt-eee— wanted control of free movement, tt-eee eh— wanted control of free movement, tie at ehe,— if they see an elite, a hetttteet— if they see an elite, a political class in this country whe— political class in this country who essentially— political class in this country who essentially doesn't take theh— who essentially doesn't take their concerns— who essentially doesn't take their concerns seriously , he their concerns seriously, he teee— their concerns seriously, he teee het— their concerns seriously, he does not have— their concerns seriously, he does not have a— their concerns seriously, he does not have a serious plan for etheeehg— does not have a serious plan for etheeehe the— does not have a serious plan for addressing the issue then. that-e— addressing the issue then. thet-e why— addressing the issue then. that's why populism surges, heeewee— that's why populism surges, because people _ that's why populism surges, because people think , well, if because people think, well, if the democratic— because people think, well, if the democratic mechanism doesn't pewte— the democratic mechanism doesn't hewte me— the democratic mechanism doesn't hewte me wtth— the democratic mechanism doesn't provide me with with an outlet to provide me with with an outlet te he— provide me with with an outlet te he ehte— provide me with with an outlet te he ehte te— provide me with with an outlet to be able to get— provide me with with an outlet to be able to get my views, you thew— to be able to get my views, you knew .— to be able to get my views, you knew , teteh— to be able to get my views, you know , taken account of and know, taken account of and implemented— know, taken account of and implemented and they keep ignoring— implemented and they keep tghehhg me— implemented and they keep ignoring me, then why should i tether— ignoring me, then why should i hethet wtth— ignoring me, then why should i bother with the _ ignoring me, then why should i bother with the ballot box? let me tate— bother with the ballot box? let me the te— bother with the ballot box? let me take to the— bother with the ballot box? let me take to the streets. that's the— me take to the streets. that's the tehgeh — me take to the streets. that's the danger. it— me take to the streets. that's the danger. it is— me take to the streets. that's the danger. it is a- me take to the streets. that's the danger. . wig the danger. it is a very complicated, though, because, you people also want you know, people also want nurses doctors, many of whom nurses and doctors, many of whom are people also want are immigrants. people also want to filling vacancies, which to be filling vacancies, which many immigrants. look, many are immigrants. and look, i agree with you, it's a horrendous situation to think

that you've you've made you've made your voice heard in a democratic process. it democratic process. and it doesn't happen. also doesn't happen. but it's also a very area as well. very complicated area as well. well, i'll tell you , i want your well, i'll tell you, i want your thewehte— well, i'll tell you, i want your thewghte eh— well, i'll tell you, i want your thoughts on this— well, i'll tell you, i want your thoughts on this at home tenteht— thoughts on this at home temght. t— thoughts on this at home tonight. i personally am eheetwtetw— tonight. i personally am absolutely appalled by this. i cemet— absolutely appalled by this. i eemet get— absolutely appalled by this. i eemet get my— absolutely appalled by this. i cannot get my head around why ehwhetw— cannot get my head around why anybody wett— cannot get my head around why anybody dodi would think on any tewet— anybody dodi would think on any tewet thet— anybody dodi would think on any level that this— anybody dodi would think on any level that this is— anybody dodi would think on any level that this is a— anybody dodi would think on any level that this is a sensible teee— level that this is a sensible ttee .— level that this is a sensible ttee . vee— level that this is a sensible ttee . hee t— level that this is a sensible idea . yes, i hear- level that this is a sensible idea . yes, i hear people's idea. yes, i hear people's thewehte— idea. yes, i hear people's thoughts about the £6 million a tew— thoughts about the £6 million a tew. thet— thoughts about the £6 million a eat. that he— thoughts about the £6 million a day- that he e— thoughts about the £6 million a day. that is a scandal and it is a day. that is a scandal and it is e hehhe,— day. that is a scandal and it is a disgrace, especially when you teet— a disgrace, especially when you teet et— a disgrace, especially when you teet et peehte— a disgrace, especially when you look at people that are being heweet— look at people that are being heweet h— look at people that are being housed in beautiful kind of eewhtw— housed in beautiful kind of eewhtw httee— housed in beautiful kind of country piles and all the rest of country piles and all the rest et ht.— country piles and all the rest et tt. .— country piles and all the rest of it. i think— country piles and all the rest of it. i think it's— country piles and all the rest of it. i think it's disgraceful. hwt— of it. i think it's disgraceful. hwt t— of it. i think it's disgraceful. hwt t etee— of it. i think it's disgraceful. but i also know— of it. i think it's disgraceful. but i also know whilst i don't went— but i also know whilst i don't want te— but i also know whilst i don't want te he— but i also know whilst i don't want to be spending millions of heme— want to be spending millions of eewhte eh— want to be spending millions of pounds on that,— want to be spending millions of pounds on that, i— want to be spending millions of pounds on that, i really do not. i pounds on that, i really do not. t etee— pounds on that, i really do not. t etee thht— pounds on that, i really do not. i also think that— pounds on that, i really do not. i also think that public safety ehewtt— i also think that public safety should absolutely paramount . should be absolutely paramount. and should be absolutely paramount. me the— should be absolutely paramount. hht thte te— should be absolutely paramount. and this is the— should be absolutely paramount. and this is the thing i can hear it and this is the thing i can hear tt already— and this is the thing i can hear tt eheetw h— and this is the thing i can hear it already in my— and this is the thing i can hear it already in my ears that heehte— it already in my ears that heepte wttt— it already in my ears that people will be- it already in my ears that people will be saying, oh htehet— people will be saying, oh htehet-e- people will be saying, oh michel, a racist , but it michel, you're a racist, but it is michel, you're a racist, but it te-teetet— michel, you're a racist, but it te-teetet te— michel, you're a racist, but it is-racist to point- michel, you're a racist, but it is racist to point out that is not racist to point out that if is not racist to point out that tt-heehte— is not racist to point out that tt-heehte ete— is not racist to point out that if people are indeed if these people are indeed eemhg— if these people are indeed eemmg hem— if these people are indeed coming from where we're told thet— coming from where we're told that-eemhg- coming from where we're told that coming from, that they're coming from, which are that they're coming from, which ere-ewtte— that they're coming from, which are-quite frankly- that they're coming from, which are-quite frankly ,. that they're coming from, which are quite frankly , in are warzones, quite frankly, in are warzones, quite frankly, in eiet— are warzones, quite frankly, in eiet hteeee— are warzones, quite frankly, in a.of places, then- are warzones, quite frankly, in a of places, then they're a lot of places, then they're tweeheh— a lot of places, then they're txpeheh te— a lot of places, then they're experian is their— a lot of places, then they're experian is their mindset. we

ten-t— experian is their mindset. we teh-t thew— experian is their mindset. we don't know what— experian is their mindset. we don't know what they've been theweh. — don't know what they've been through. they're— don't know what they've been through. they're hugely different— through. they're hugely different outlooks through. they're hugely- different-outlooks and different cultural outlooks and all different cultural outlooks and at the — different cultural outlooks and at the teet— different cultural outlooks and all the rest of— different cultural outlooks and all the rest of it.— different cultural outlooks and all the rest of it. if anyone teee— all the rest of it. if anyone teee het— all the rest of it. if anyone does not think— all the rest of it. if anyone does not think that , then does not think that, then eehhe— does not think that, then getting these— does not think that, then getting these people en masse , getting these people en masse, ettethe— getting these people en masse, ettethg them— getting these people en masse, sticking them into a unit somewhere— sticking them into a unit somewhere with absolutely hethhg— somewhere with absolutely hethhg te — somewhere with absolutely nothing to do,— somewhere with absolutely nothing to do, if you don't thht— nothing to do, if you don't thht thet— nothing to do, if you don't think that is— nothing to do, if you don't think that is a— nothing to do, if you don't think that is a cause for concern, then- think that is a cause for concern, then quite frankly , you concern, then quite frankly, you eett— concern, then quite frankly, you eat me— concern, then quite frankly, you can call me all— concern, then quite frankly, you can call me all the— concern, then quite frankly, you can call me all the names that you— can call me all the names that wew went,— can call me all the names that you went, hwt— can call me all the names that you went, hwt t— can call me all the names that you want, but i would suggest thet— you want, but i would suggest that you— you want, but i would suggest that you met— you want, but i would suggest that you need to— you want, but i would suggest that you need to give your head a that you need to give your head e wettte— that you need to give your head e wehhte. t— that you need to give your head ewehhte. t te— that you need to give your head a wobble. i do not— that you need to give your head a wobble. i do not think that the— a wobble. i do not think that the-te— a wobble. i do not think that thte-te eht- a wobble. i do not think that this-to end well.- a wobble. i do not think that this to end well. what this is going to end well. what eewe—

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hello there. i'm michelle hewhetw— hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with _ hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you - “tiiti i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tenteht— dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight. alongside me, charlotte htettee— tonight. alongside me, charlotte htettee the— tonight. alongside me, charlotte pickles, the director of the teetmt — pickles, the director of the reform think— pickles, the director of the reform think tank, and paul tmhw— reform think tank, and paul tmhw, whe.— reform think tank, and paul embry, writer, broadcaster and hehehtet— embry, writer, broadcaster and hehghtet .— embry, writer, broadcaster and hehghtet. .— embry, writer, broadcaster and firefighter. i was— embry, writer, broadcaster and firefighter. i was just having a the— firefighter. i was just having a ttttte tem— firefighter. i was just having a little rant there _ firefighter. i was just having a little rant there about what i wewtt— little rant there about what i wewtt eett— little rant there about what i would call it's— little rant there about what i would call it's just lunacy, if tewe— would call it's just lunacy, if youe get— would call it's just lunacy, if wee get e— would call it's just lunacy, if you've got a better word for it, do you've got a better word for it, te tet— you've got a better word for it, te tet me— you've got a better word for it, do let me know— you've got a better word for it, do let me know what it is. that httewtewe— do let me know what it is. that ridiculous decision— do let me know what it is. that ridiculous decision to overturn the tech— ridiculous decision to overturn the local council— ridiculous decision to overturn the local council in essex and httee— the local council in essex and httee hoo— the local council in essex and place 1700 men— the local council in essex and place 1700 men in— the local council in essex and place 1700 men in a former raf heheete— place 1700 men in a former raf barracks there, _ place 1700 men in a former raf barracks there, a— place 1700 men in a former raf barracks there, a couple of you are barracks there, a couple of you eethg— barracks there, a couple of you are asking what?— barracks there, a couple of you are asking what? it's all well the— are asking what? it's all well mt 9°0d-_ are asking what? it's all well and good. getting angry, michel, but and good. getting angry, michel, hwt whet-e— and good. getting angry, michel, hwt whet-e wewt— and good. getting angry, michel, but what's your solution? well, i'll but what's your solution? well, t-tt tett— but what's your solution? well, t-tt tett wew— but what's your solution? well, i'll tell you what— but what's your solution? well, i'll tell you what my solution wewtt— i'll tell you what my solution wewtt he— i'll tell you what my solution wewtt he h— i'll tell you what my solution would be if i— i'll tell you what my solution would be if i was— i'll tell you what my solution would be if i was running this eewnhw— would be if i was running this eewnhw-het- would be if i was running this eewnhw—het ee- would be if i was running this country.-not, as i. country. now, i'm not, as i etwewe— country. now, i'm not, as i always-luckily- country. now, i'm not, as i always luckily for you lot, always say, luckily for you lot, i always say, luckily for you lot, t wewtt— always say, luckily for you lot, twewtt thew— always say, luckily for you lot, i would grow, i— always say, luckily for you lot, i would grow, i would grow a heh— i would grow, i would grow a heh eht— i would grow, i would grow a peh mt .— i would grow, i would grow a pair and i actually pair and i would actually tmptement— pair and i would actually implement. well, don't need to implement. well, i don't need to thew— implement. well, i don't need to thew-t— implement. well, i don't need to thew-t-ttehtttwl grow anything. i could identify as grow anything. i could identify ee—tewel as having a pair these days, eewtth-t— as having a pair these days, couldn't-quite— as having a pair these days, couldn't quite frankly. and couldn't i? quite frankly. and i'd couldn't i? quite frankly. and he he— couldn't i? quite frankly. and i'd be accepted— couldn't i? quite frankly. and i'd be accepted anyway. i would eetwettw—hettewl i'd be accepted anyway. i would eetw ttw—hettewl i'd be accepted anyway. i would actu i .ly-be -policyi i'd be accepted anyway. i would actu i.ly be banging oolicy i'd be accepted anyway. i would actu i.ly be banging on cy i'd be accepted anyway. i would actu i.ly be banging on about that i would be banging on about if i that i would be banging on about h t e— that i would be banging on about h t hehh— that i would be banging on about if i was rishi sunak, which is the— if i was rishi sunak, which is the-plane— if i was rishi sunak, which is the-plane .- if i was rishi sunak, which is the-plan, i would. if i was rishi sunak, which is the plan, i would charter the rwanda plan, i would charter my the rwanda plan, i would charter my_'_ the rwanda plan, i would charter mw—t wewtt- the rwanda plan, i would charter my_| would send- my first flight. i would send some -over there. - my first flight. i would send some -over there. i some people over there. then i wewtt— some people over there. then i wewtt etett— some people over there. then i would start broadcasting on ttttet—tt- would start broadcasting on tiktok_it is- would start broadcasting on| tiktok_it is that tiktok or wherever it is that heehte— tiktok or wherever it is that people promoting their people are promoting their ehemee— people are promoting their

ehemee te— people are promoting their schemes to, to— people are promoting their schemes to, to get people on the thehtee. — schemes to, to get people on the thehtee. -he— schemes to, to get people on the dinghies. -be-to. dinghies. and i'll be saying to teewe,— dinghies. and i'll be saying to teewe—te- dinghies. and i'll be saying to peepte—te thel dinghies. and i'll be saying toi people,_to the uk, people, if you come to the uk, you— people, if you come to the uk, wew-he— people, if you come to the uk, you-be processed- people, if you come to the uk, you be processed rwanda you will be processed in rwanda and you will be processed in rwanda me then— you will be processed in rwanda me the th— you will be processed in rwanda and then i'll be— you will be processed in rwanda and then i'll be trying to stop the ttew— and then i'll be trying to stop the ttew et— and then i'll be trying to stop the flow of people coming. and i wewtt— the flow of people coming. and i wewtt-temhhg- the flow of people coming. and i would-ramping.the. would also be ramping up the emet— would also be ramping up the emewhtleeehte— would also be ramping up the amount people that are amount of people that are heeeeehe— amount of people that arei heeeeehe—te processing these claims to move thhge— processing these claims to move thhee-ewtetet. — processing these claims to move things quicker. and i things along quicker. and i wewtt— things along quicker. and i would-look,- things along quicker. and i would look, getting things along quicker. and i- would-look,-getting on would also look, i'm getting on the-wett— would also look, i'm getting on the-tett hew— would also look, i'm getting on the roll now. would the on the roll now. i would etee— the on the roll now. i would etee hete— the on the roll now. i would etee hewe e— the on the roll now. i would also have a list— the on the roll now. i would also have a list of places where i'd also have a list of places where he eh.— also have a list of places where he ett. t— also have a list of places where he ett. t thew— also have a list of places where i'd sit. i know it's— also have a list of places where i'd sit. i know it's my last hehh— i'd sit. i know it's my last heht. tt-e— i'd sit. i know it's my last heht. tt-e mw— i'd sit. i know it's my last point. it's my last and point. it's my last point, and then— point. it's my last point, and the th— point. it's my last point, and then t-tt-wh.— point. it's my last point, and then i'll-up. i'd- point. it's my last point, and then i'll up. i'd also then i'll shut up. i'd also have a then i'll shut up. i'd also have e thet— then i'll shut up. i'd also have e ttetlhteeee— then i'll shut up. i'd also have a list-places i— then i'll shut up. i'd also have a list-places i say,- then i'll shut up. i'd also have a list places i say, right, a list of places i say, right, theee— a list of places i say, right, theee ehee— a list of places i say, right, these ones, these countries are thew-te— these ones, these countries are thew-te-teh-t- these ones, these countries are they're don't accept they're safe. we don't accept peehte— they're safe. we don't accept teewe-theee- they're safe. we don't accept people those countries. so people from those countries. so all people from those countries. so ett the— people from those countries. so ett the teet— people from those countries. so all the rest of— people from those countries. so all the rest of it,— people from those countries. so all the rest of it, you know, whet— all the rest of it, you know, whet wee— all the rest of it, you know, whet ht— all the rest of it, you know, what was it the _ all the rest of it, you know, what was it the other day? what thet— what was it the other day? what was that country?— what was it the other day? what was that country? albania yeah. so was that country? albania yeah. se te— was that country? albania yeah. se t-t hete— was that country? albania yeah. so i'd have all— was that country? albania yeah. so i'd have all my— was that country? albania yeah. so i'd have all my safe countries— so i'd have all my safe countries and- so i'd have all my safe countries and it would be like ehetghtewew— countries and it would be like straightaway line. straightaway red line. no. so whet— straightaway red line. no. so whet whet— straightaway red line. no. so what what do— straightaway red line. no. so what what do you _ straightaway red line. no. so what what do you do- straightaway red line. no. so what what do you do when the courts, as they've done, intervene and stop the rwanda system? what the system? what would be the hwmehmehte— system? what would be the punishment?-i- sat“ what would be the punishment? i mean , the punishment? well, i mean, the hwmehmeht,— punishment? well, i mean, the punishment, right. so if britain hee— punishment, right. so if britain hee cewhett— punishment, right. so if britain tree council so— punishment, right. so if britain tree council so they've lost theh— tree council so they've lost theh ehheet — tree council so they've lost their appeal. if— tree council so they've lost their appeal. if the braintree cewhett— their appeal. if the braintree council said,— their appeal. if the braintree council said, no,— their appeal. if the braintree council said, no, we're not het going- council said, no, we're not we're not going to facilitate the— we're not going to facilitate thte wee— we're not going to facilitate this, we're not— we're not going to facilitate this, we're not going to do whetewet— this, we're not going to do whatever it— this, we're not going to do whatever it needs, because i tmeghe— whatever it needs, because i tmeehe ht—

whatever it needs, because i imagine it needs— whatever it needs, because i imagine it needs some work. whet-e— imagine it needs some work. what's consequence is? what's the consequence is? wet.— what's the consequence is? wet. t— what's the consequence is? well, i suspect— what's the consequence is? i well, i suspect-councillors well, i suspect the councillors would in court themselves would end up in court themselves if the councillors defy the law of the land as handed down by the courts and say we're going to declare a unilateral declaration of independence and have a have our own kind of free state of braintree , i suspect, state of braintree, i suspect, i suspect i suspect the law would intervene very quickly . it would intervene very quickly. it would be mod intervene very quickly. it would he met prehehw— intervene very quickly. it would be mod property anyway.- ttig ti. ties/lat it would be mod property anyway. so what thew-t— be mod property anyway. so what thew-t hete— be mod property anyway. so what thew-t hewe te— be mod property anyway. so what they'd have to do— be mod property anyway. so what they'd have to do is— be mod property anyway. so what they'd have to do is physically hemeete— they'd have to do is physically barricade the _ they'd have to do is physically barricade the property because thew—eehhel barricade the property becausei thew—eehe th they can't stop people going in it. they can't stop people going in tt—ewh— they can't stop people going in tt—ewh ht.- they can't stop people going in it._own it. right.- it. they don't own it. right. tt-e— it. they don't own it. right. tt-e e— it. they don't own it. right. it's a national— it. they don't own it. right. it's a national government ptepettw. —. | it's a national government. hteeehw.—. amt it's a national government- heeettw.—. amt t-tt property. i'm outraged. and i'll tell property. i'm outraged. and i'll tett wew— property. i'm outraged. and i'll tett wew whw— property. i'm outraged. and i'll tell you why i'm outraged. it's not because i'm racist or all the will say. the things that people will say. you you're telling me you cannot if you're telling me that coming war that they're coming from war zones and all the rest of it. as i said before the break, if that's then these people that's true, then these people will potentially traumatised that's true, then these people vtthey potentially traumatised that's true, then these people vtthey havetntially traumatised that's true, then these people vtthey havetntcompletelyitised . they have a completely different mindset terms of different mindset in terms of law and order and all the different things. how is it safe to them up en masse and put to pick them up en masse and put them in a single entity? i'm outraged and i don't live outraged and i don't even live there, i dread to think what there, so i dread to think what you if you do live you are thinking. if you do live

there, in touch with me and there, get in touch with me and let me know your thoughts. it's just an situation. and by just an awful situation. and by the if we can pick up 1700 the way, if we can pick up 1700 people put them in these people and put them in these barracks, have got so barracks, why have we got so many people in many homeless people in this country? why we country? then why aren't we picked people and picked up all those people and provided people with provided those people with housing? anyway, i'm housing? but anyway, i'm going off a rant. i need to pack it off on a rant. i need to pack it in because i do have a co alongside me and they want to say right rishi sunak. say as well, right rishi sunak. you now weir the you know by now doddie weir the economy in an absolute mess. economy is in an absolute mess. there's a of talk about there's been a lot of talk about whether not we be whether or not we should be lowering taxes. that of lowering taxes. that is, of course, of a course, the point of a conservative government, is it not? anyway for some people on one of the fence say yes, one side of the fence say yes, now time lower now is the time to lower the taxes the of the fence. taxes or the side of the fence. say would be immoral. that is say it would be immoral. that is one of the push backs to do it at point in time. we've at this point in time. we've also a situation where we've also had a situation where we've got rate now increased got the base rate now increased to a whopping 5. there's been a little bit of a meeting, a bit of where there's of a summit where there's a little bit of help offered to mortgage owners, but not much. so whichever one of those so pick whichever one of those topics the tax or the topics you want, the tax or the mortgage. calm

mortgage. i'm going to calm myself you myself down, quite frankly. you carry going to carry on. i'm going to spontaneously i'm spontaneously combust. i'm outrage outraged by the outrage and i'm outraged by the essex everyone, essex story. everyone, go on, have time out. yeah, lay have some time out. yeah, lay down. i'll talk for a few mhwtee— down. i'll talk for a few minutes so— down. i'll talk for a few minutes so you- i i'll talk for a few minutes so you can have that. i tewht— minutes so you can have that. i tewht mweett— minutes so you can have that. i found myself exactly. well, i'm not found myself exactly. well, i'm net-eheh— found myself exactly. well, i'm net-htet wh— found myself exactly. well, i'm eet-etch we the- found myself exactly. well, i'm not-pick up the is- found myself exactly. well, i'm not pick up the is the not going to pick up the is the eeht— not going to pick up the is the eeht et— not going to pick up the is the point of conservative government to point of conservative government te—we — point of conservative government te—we eewtt- to cut taxes, which we could hewe — to cut taxes, which we could hewe e— to cut taxes, which we could have a debate— to cut taxes, which we could have a debate on. i do think have a debate on. but i do think on have a debate on. but i do think eh-wew— have a debate on. but i do think eh-wew thew,— have a debate on. but i do think on-you know, it's- have a debate on. but i do think on-you know, it's a- have a debate on. but i do think on you know, it's a really on this, you know, it's a really ewtwt— on this, you know, it's a really awful situation. _ on this, you know, it's a really awful situation. if— on this, you know, it's a really awful situation. if you are a meheeee— awful situation. if you are a mortgage owner— awful situation. if you are a mortgage owner at the moment and eetwettw— mortgage owner at the moment and eetwettw thete — mortgage owner at the moment and actually there are— mortgage owner at the moment and actually there are suggestions thet— actually there are suggestions thet the— actually there are suggestions that the base— actually there are suggestions that the base rate could go even htehet— that the base rate could go even htehet eht— that the base rate could go even higher end htt— that the base rate could go even higher and hit 6.— that the base rate could go even higher and hit 6. so you know, the— higher and hit 6. so you know, thte te— higher and hit 6. so you know, this is thousands— higher and hit 6. so you know, this is thousands of pounds more for this is thousands of pounds more tet heme— this is thousands of pounds more for home owners— this is thousands of pounds more for home owners on— this is thousands of pounds more for home owners on there who are eehe— for home owners on there who are eehe te— for home owners on there who are eehe te hete— for home owners on there who are eehe te hewe te— for home owners on there who are going to have to be— for home owners on there who are going to have to be paying over the eewtee— going to have to be paying over the et— going to have to be paying over the course of a— going to have to be paying over the course of a year on their meheeee— the course of a year on their metteeee .— the course of a year on their metteeee .twet— the course of a year on their mortgage . just on the mortgage mortgage. just on the mortgage bit. mortgage. just on the mortgage htt. ahe— mortgage. just on the mortgage htt. hht t-m— mortgage. just on the mortgage bit. and i'm more— mortgage. just on the mortgage bit. and i'm more than happy to eheh— bit. and i'm more than happy to etet we— bit. and i'm more than happy to etet we the— bit. and i'm more than happy to etet we the tee— bit. and i'm more than happy to pick up the tax bit,— bit. and i'm more than happy to pick up the tax bit, but i do the— pick up the tax bit, but i do thht hte— pick up the tax bit, but i do think it's worth— pick up the tax bit, but i do think it's worth us just putting the— think it's worth us just putting thte h— think it's worth us just putting this in historical— think it's worth us just putting this in historical context. so hteteet— this in historical context. so interest rates— this in historical context. so interest rates were never low tethe— interest rates were never low hetete the— interest rates were never low before the financial crash . so before the financial crash. so at before the financial crash. so et the — before the financial crash. so et the etett— before the financial crash. so at the start of— before the financial crash. so at the start of 2008, just tethe— at the start of 2008, just hetete we — at the start of 2008, just before we had- at the start of 2008, just before we had the financial eeh— before we had the financial crash, interest— before we had the financial crash, interest rates were 5.25% eht— crash, interest rates were 5.25% eht etettw— crash, interest rates were 5.25% eht etettw mweh— crash, interest rates were 5.25% and pretty much historically

heht— and pretty much historically heht teet— and pretty much historically right back into,— and pretty much historically right back into, i think, eemethhe— right back into, i think, something around 1975. we had the het— something around 1975. we had the first rate— something around 1975. we had the first rate cuts.— something around 1975. we had the first rate cuts. it's been wett— the first rate cuts. it's been wett ehewe— the first rate cuts. it's been well above that,- the first rate cuts. it's been well above that, well above that the eehet— well above that, well above that the period we've— well above that, well above that the period we've gone through in the period we've gone through in the teet— the period we've gone through in the last decade— the period we've gone through in the last decade is— the period we've gone through in the last decade is essentially an aberration.— the last decade is essentially an aberration. and people have got an aberration. and people have eet weet— an aberration. and people have eet weet te— an aberration. and people have got used to cheap— an aberration. and people have got used to cheap money. people hete— got used to cheap money. people hehe-weed— got used to cheap money. people hehe-weed te— got used to cheap money. people have .used to the _ got used to cheap money. people have used to the fact that have got used to the fact that hteteet— have got used to the fact that hteteet-ete— have got used to the fact that interest - are so - have got used to the fact that interest are so low, they interest rates are so low, they eeh-t— interest rates are so low, they teh-t-thht- interest rates are so low, they don't-think-it.| don't need to think about it. ahe— don't need to think about it. and unfortunately, we're now ehtehhe— and unfortunately, we're now ehtehhe e— and unfortunately, we're now entering a phase where that's no teheet— entering a phase where that's no teeter—the- entering a phase where that's no longer—the case.- entering a phase where that's no longer the case. but longer going to be the case. but whet— longer going to be the case. but whet-ehehe— longer going to be the case. but what-entering is- longer going to be the case. but what-entering is a- longer going to be the case. but what entering is a sort of what we're entering is a sort of ewmt— what we're entering is a sort of ewmt te— what we're entering is a sort of return to normality. actually, the— return to normality. actually, thte—weetl return to normality. actually,| thte—weet te this is what it always used to be this is what it always used to tee-wew— this is what it always used to tee-wew thet— this is what it always used to be now that doesn't help be like. now that doesn't help eeeee— be like. now that doesn't help peoplee heht— be like. now that doesn't help people, right now. i think the etwh— people, right now. i think the etwh-heeh— people, right now. i think the stuff been announced stuff that's been announced tetew— stuff that's been announced today-actually— stuff that's been announced today actually very positive stuff that's been announced todso, actually very positive stuff that's been announced todso, youtually very positive stuff that's been announced todso, you know, very positive stuff that's been announced todso, you know, there ositive stuff that's been announced todso, you know, there are ive of. so, you know, there are eeweet— of. so, you know, there are several things— of. so, you know, there are several things people being able to several things people being able te—et- several things people being able te—et eet- to go and get advice or ask ehewt— to go and get advice or ask about options— to go and get advice or ask about options from their banks wtthewt— about options from their banks wtthewt ht— about options from their banks without it going— about options from their banks without it going down as a kind of without it going down as a kind et hteet— without it going down as a kind of black mark— without it going down as a kind of black mark on— without it going down as a kind of black mark on their credit tethee— of black mark on their credit tethee, being— of black mark on their credit ratings, being able to shift to hteteet— ratings, being able to shift to hteteet entw— ratings, being able to shift to interest only payments for six mehthe— interest only payments for six mehthe ee— interest only payments for six mehthe ee e— interest only payments for six months as a temporary measure for months as a temporary measure tet het— months as a temporary measure tet het het— months as a temporary measure for not not allowing repossession runs for 12 months. if repossession runs for 12 months. h wew— repossession runs for 12 months. h wew mtee— repossession runs for 12 months. h wew e— repossession runs for 12 months. if you miss a payment, these are teettw— if you miss a payment, these are teettw eeetttwe— if you miss a payment, these are really positive things. but wtttmetetw— really positive things. but ultimately people are going to hete— ultimately people are going to hewe te— ultimately people are going to have to adjust.— ultimately people are going to have to adjust. and i think what the meeee— have to adjust. and i think what the measures today that have

eeme-ettew- the measures today that have come-allowlthat. come out will allow is that eehet— come out will allow is that period adjustment. it's period of adjustment. but it's going— period of adjustment. but it's eehe—teweh. - period of adjustment. but it's eehe—teweh. tt-ei going to be really tough. it's going— going to be really tough. it's eehe-he— going to be really tough. it's eehe-he teettw— going to be really tough. it's going be really difficult going to be really difficult for eeeete— going to be really difficult for eeeete-hewt- going to be really difficult for people-paul, your. people. it is. paul, your thoughts? ithink people. it is. paul, your thoughts? i think the people. it is. paul, your- thoughts? i think the danger is eet— thoughts? i think the danger is eet e— thoughts? i think the danger is we've got a recession- g“ i think the danger is we've got a recession looming in the— we've got a recession looming in thte eewehw— we've got a recession looming in this country. and— we've got a recession looming in this country. and i— we've got a recession looming in this country. and i think the htte— this country. and i think the htte h— this country. and i think the hike in interest— this country. and i think the hike in interest rates is going to hike in interest rates is going te mete— hike in interest rates is going te mete thet— hike in interest rates is going to make that more to make that a lot more inevitable— to make that a lot more inevitable as— to make that a lot more inevitable as well as impacting eeeete— inevitable as well as impacting eeeete h— inevitable as well as impacting eeeete th e— inevitable as well as impacting eeeete th e wew— inevitable as well as impacting people in a very personal way. now:— people in a very personal way. wew, whet— people in a very personal way. now, what does— people in a very personal way. now, what does the recession me— now, what does the recession we— now, what does the recession mean? we know— now, what does the recession mean? we know what recession tt-e— mean? we know what recession tt-e e— mean? we know what recession means. it's a catastrophe for the— means. it's a catastrophe for the eewhhw— means. it's a catastrophe for the eewhhw .— means. it's a catastrophe for the country . it— means. it's a catastrophe for the country. it means means. it's a catastrophe for the country . it means businesses the country. it means businesses going— the country. it means businesses eehe te— the country. it means businesses eehe te the— the country. it means businesses going to the wall.— the country. it means businesses going to the wall. it means repossessions— going to the wall. it means repossessions of- going to the wall. it means repossessions of people's eteeettw.— repossessions of people's eteeettw. ht— repossessions of people's property. it means unemployment going— property. it means unemployment eehe thteweh— property. it means unemployment eehe thteweh the— property. it means unemployment going through the roof. so it te— going through the roof. so it seems to me we— going through the roof. so it seems to me we need to do what we te— seems to me we need to do what we te eet— seems to me we need to do what we can to avert that— seems to me we need to do what we can to avert that recession in, we can to avert that recession th t— we can to avert that recession th t the— we can to avert that recession in, i think, the— we can to avert that recession in, i think, the rise in hteteet— in, i think, the rise in interest rate,- in, i think, the rise in interest rate, as i say, does the— interest rate, as i say, does the wew— interest rate, as i say, does the very opposite of that. and it the very opposite of that. and tt eeeme— the very opposite of that. and tt te— the very opposite of that. and it seems to me,— the very opposite of that. and it seems to me, look, you know, we tett— it seems to me, look, you know, we can talk about— it seems to me, look, you know, we can talk about targeted tax the— we can talk about targeted tax ewte et— we can talk about targeted tax ewte et tee— we can talk about targeted tax cuts or tax cuts,— we can talk about targeted tax cuts or tax cuts, universal tax the— cuts or tax cuts, universal tax ewte .— cuts or tax cuts, universal tax ewte . the, — cuts or tax cuts, universal tax ewte . the, wew— cuts or tax cuts, universal tax cuts . and, you know, universal cuts. and, you know, universal tax cuts. and, you know, universal tee ewte— cuts. and, you know, universal tee ewte teet— cuts. and, you know, universal tax cuts tend to _ cuts. and, you know, universal tax cuts tend to benefit the heh— tax cuts tend to benefit the heh tether— tax cuts tend to benefit the rich rather than _ tax cuts tend to benefit the rich rather than the poor. so it te— rich rather than the poor. so it seems to me that— rich rather than the poor. so it seems to me that the preferable eetteh— seems to me that the preferable eetteh eht— seems to me that the preferable option and actually the necessary option at the moment is necessary option at the moment he te— necessary option at the moment he te eet— necessary option at the moment he te eet teet— necessary option at the moment is to get real wages rising. we

hete— is to get real wages rising. we hewe eet— is to get real wages rising. we hewe eet e— is to get real wages rising. we have got a situation in this eewhhw— have got a situation in this eewhhw et— have got a situation in this country at the— have got a situation in this country at the moment where we are country at the moment where we eeehe— country at the moment where we eeehe the— country at the moment where we are seeing the biggest squeeze on are seeing the biggest squeeze eh weeee— are seeing the biggest squeeze eh weeee ehe— are seeing the biggest squeeze on wages since napola ionic ttmee— on wages since napola ionic the we— on wages since napola ionic the we ee— on wages since napola ionic times. we are seeing year on year— times. we are seeing year on wet eeeete-e— times. we are seeing year on year people's living standards fall year people's living standards tett ee— year people's living standards tett ee e— year people's living standards fall as a result— year people's living standards fall as a result of— year people's living standards fall as a result of the fact thet— fall as a result of the fact thet theh— fall as a result of the fact that their their- fall as a result of the fact that their their wages are not keeping— that their their wages are not teeehe eeee— that their their wages are not keeping pace with inflation. as i keeping pace with inflation. as t eeht— keeping pace with inflation. as t eeht thet-e— keeping pace with inflation. as i said, that's got— keeping pace with inflation. as i said, that's got implications for i said, that's got implications tet the— i said, that's got implications for the wider— i said, that's got implications for the wider economy and we etee— for the wider economy and we etee eeet— for the wider economy and we etee heet te— for the wider economy and we also need to be— for the wider economy and we also need to be clear that what we're not seeing— also need to be clear that what we're not seeing in— also need to be clear that what we're not seeing in this country is we're not seeing in this country he e— we're not seeing in this country he e weee— we're not seeing in this country he e weee ehee— we're not seeing in this country is a wage price spiral. you thew,— is a wage price spiral. you thew, we— is a wage price spiral. you know, we need— is a wage price spiral. you know, we need to put that idea to know, we need to put that idea te tet. — know, we need to put that idea te tet. whet— know, we need to put that idea to bed. what we're— know, we need to put that idea to bed. what we're seeing is the eeeeette— to bed. what we're seeing is the eeeeette. whet— to bed. what we're seeing is the opposite. what we're seeing is eeeete— opposite. what we're seeing is people clamouring try to make people clamouring to try to make ewte-weeee— people clamouring to try to make ewte-weeee teee— people clamouring to try to make sure wages keep pace with sure their wages keep pace with heteeehe— sure their wages keep pace with increasing prices— sure their wages keep pace with increasing prices .— sure their wages keep pace with increasing prices . and if increasing prices. and if eewthhe— increasing prices. and if anything, the- increasing prices. and if anything, the inflation is not hehe— anything, the inflation is not hehe httee— anything, the inflation is not being driven by— anything, the inflation is not being driven by wage increases . being driven by wage increases. thet-e— being driven by wage increases. thet-e e— being driven by wage increases. thet-e e mwth— being driven by wage increases. that's a myth. it's— being driven by wage increases. that's a myth. it's being driven by that's a myth. it's being driven hw eweh— that's a myth. it's being driven hw eweh thmee— that's a myth. it's being driven by such things as— that's a myth. it's being driven by such things as the war in whethe— by such things as the war in ukraine and— by such things as the war in ukraine and the— by such things as the war in ukraine and the opening up of the eehemw— ukraine and the opening up of the economy after the pandemic. ahe— the economy after the pandemic. the he— the economy after the pandemic. the he etee— the economy after the pandemic. and it's also being— the economy after the pandemic. and it's also being driven , by and it's also being driven, by the— and it's also being driven, by the wave— and it's also being driven, by the wave hw— and it's also being driven, by the wave hw hw— and it's also being driven, by the way, by by a_ and it's also being driven, by the way, by by a thing that some commentators— the way, by by a thing that some commentators have— the way, by by a thing that some commentators have described as g...d,_ commentators have described as greed, inflation.— commentators have described as greed, inflation. yeah, i agree on greed, inflation. yeah, i agree eh the— greed, inflation. yeah, i agree we the eeh— greed, inflation. yeah, i agree eh the eewt et— greed, inflation. yeah, i agree on the part of businesses who are on the part of businesses who tethe— on the part of businesses who are taking advantage of the ettwetteh— are taking advantage of the situation and— are taking advantage of the situation and profits cheering.

i situation and profits cheering. t meee— situation and profits cheering. i mean, we have— situation and profits cheering. i mean, we have got at the memet— i mean, we have got at the moment some of our companies, some our corporations some of our corporations ehehe— some of our corporations recording profits . some of our corporations- recording-profits . we're recording record profits. we're eehetehttw— recording record profits. we're constantly told _ recording record profits. we're constantly told by the tory eewemmeht— constantly told by the tory government workers have got to ehew—wett- government workers have got to ehew—wett t- show pay restraint. well, i thht— show pay restraint. well, i ththt tt-e— show pay restraint. well, i think it's entirely logical for a think it's entirely logical for e t— think it's entirely logical for a worker who _ think it's entirely logical for a worker who is— think it's entirely logical for a worker who is seeing inflation ewtetrteehe— a worker who is seeing inflation ewtetrteehe hte— a worker who is seeing inflation outstripping his or— a worker who is seeing inflation outstripping his or her wages to say,— outstripping his or her wages to say wett— outstripping his or her wages to say wett etew— outstripping his or her wages to say, well, okay, in— outstripping his or her wages to say, well, okay, in order to cover those _ say, well, okay, in order to cover those extra costs, i'm eehe— cover those extra costs, i'm eehe te— cover those extra costs, i'm going to increase my labour theee.— going to increase my labour eheree. hwt— going to increase my labour charge. but no— going to increase my labour charge. but no ,_ going to increase my labour charge. but no , that's regarded charge. but no, that's regarded as unreasonable.— charge. but no, that's regarded as unreasonable. but when a hweheee— as unreasonable. but when a hweheee eewe— as unreasonable. but when a business says, oh, as a result of business says, oh, as a result et httetteh— business says, oh, as a result of inflation, overheads have of inflation, our overheads have eehe— of inflation, our overheads have gene we,— of inflation, our overheads have gene we, ee— of inflation, our overheads have gene we, ee were— of inflation, our overheads have gone up, so we're going to increase our prices as the eewemmeht— increase our prices as the government says, well that's, thet-e— government says, well that's, thet-e eh— government says, well that's, that's an understandable reeetteh— that's an understandable reaction to— that's an understandable reaction to situation . i reaction to the situation. i thht— reaction to the situation. i ththt whet— reaction to the situation. i think what we— reaction to the situation. i think what we need to i think whet— think what we need to i think whet we— think what we need to i think what we need— think what we need to i think what we need to— think what we need to i think what we need to do is have a bit of what we need to do is have a bit et ereht— what we need to do is have a bit of profit restraint— what we need to do is have a bit of profit restraint on— what we need to do is have a bit of profit restraint on behalf of theee— of profit restraint on behalf of those corporations, including teete— those corporations, including hehte—whei those corporations, including. hehte—whe banks, by the way. now who are going— banks, by the way. now who are eehe-eeht— banks, by the way. now who are going profit humongously out banks, by the way. now who are gothis profit humongously out banks, by the way. now who are gothis interest humongously out banks, by the way. now who are gothis interest rate ongously out banks, by the way. now who are gothis interest rate rise. ;ly out of this interest rate rise. eeh.— of this interest rate rise. teeh, thew-re— of this interest rate rise. yeah, they're raking- of this interest rate rise. yeah, they're raking it. of this interest rate rise. yeah, they're raking it in because not passing it because they're not passing it on to the savers. and let's have a on to the savers. and let's have e htt— on to the savers. and let's have e htt et— on to the savers. and let's have a bit of rebalancing_ on to the savers. and let's have a bit of rebalancing in- tit“ and let's have a bit of rebalancing in in the eehemw -trw- a bit of rebalancing in in the eehemw -trw te- a bit of rebalancing in in the economy. try to avert a economy. let's try to avert a by— economy. let's try to avert a recession by-real- economy. let's try to avert a recession by real wages recession by getting real wages hehe— recession by getting real wages rising-understand- recession by getting real wages rising understand that rising and let's understand that theee— rising and let's understand that these—increases. these interest rate increases ere-te— these interest rate increases ere-te erteete- these interest rate increases are to cripple businesses are going to cripple businesses eht— are going to cripple businesses ehe—eheete- and are going to cripple temtttee. —

and are going to cripple families. said he families. what you just said he was not so, so, so 100% was it's not so, so, so 100% agree on this issue around greedflation. and it is heewetme— greedflation. and it is disgusting that- c. i “ and it is disgusting that that is ci“ and it is disgusting that that is what is heeeehhe— disgusting that that is what is heeeehhe .— disgusting that that is what is heeeehhe . rt— disgusting that that is what is happening - it is_ disgusting that that is what is happening . it is not true to say happening. it is not true to say thet— happening. it is not true to say thet the— happening. it is not true to say that the government are just going,— that the government are just eeme, wett— that the government are just going, well, that's fine. it's you— going, well, that's fine. it's wew—hewtet- going, well, that's fine. it's you—hauled in. going, well, that's fine. it'sj you—hauled in a going, well, that's fine. it's- you_hauled in a load you know, they hauled in a load of you know, they hauled in a load et—heehl of supermarkets. they've been hewthe— of supermarkets. they've been hauling-different. hauling in various different htwetrtee— hauling in various different industries—wayj hauling in various different- industries_way they industries in the same way they did industries in the same way they the-teete— industries in the same way they did-banks this— industries in the same way they did banks this morning did the banks this morning erewrt— did the banks this morning around mortgages. now the eweetteh— around mortgages. now the eweetteh-wew- around mortgages. now the question you want question is, do you want to etert— question is, do you want to etert-ertee- question is, do you want to start-price caps? start putting in price caps? teewee— start putting in price caps? because-the— start putting in price caps?l because-the-those because on the whole, those three— because on the whole, those thhee eeh-t— because on the whole, those things don't work. because on the whole, those things don't work . so actually, things don't work. so actually, it's things don't work. so actually, rte—eew— things don't work. so actually, rte—eew the- it's not fair to say the government - it's not fair to say the government are not trying to put ereeewre r— government are not trying to put pressure on. i don't— government are not trying to put pressure on. i don't think thew-re— pressure on. i don't think they're-enough- pressure on. i don't think. they're-enoughlput they're doing enough to put ereeewreehl— they're doing enough to put pressure-on try- they're doing enough to put pressure on try drive pressure to on try and drive tewe— pressure to on try and drive tewe-ehtee. - pressure to on try and drive down-prices. .it'sl down those prices. but it's eertehtw—eewl down those prices. but it's. certainly-say that certainly not fair to say that thew-re— certainly not fair to say that thew-re het— certainly not fair to say that they're not doing anything hehe— they're not doing anything wrehe the— they're not doing anything wrong. the other thing to is wrong. the other thing to say is thet— wrong. the other thing to say is thet-thew,— wrong. the other thing to say is thet-thew, ter- that why don't they, for exemete— that why don't they, for example, why that why don't they, for- example,-why don't they example, charlie, why don't they for example, charlie, why don't they tet-tew— example, charlie, why don't they tet-teww e— example, charlie, why don't they for-levy a windfall- example, charlie, why don't they for levy a windfall tax for example, levy a windfall tax on for example, levy a windfall tax eh-whe— for example, levy a windfall tax on-who are going- for example, levy a windfall tax. on-who are going-be on the banks who are going to be methe— on the banks who are going to be methe-eeeeee— on the banks who are going to be making-excess and- making huge excess and wheteeetet— making huge excess and unexpected out making huge excess and unexpected-out do unexpected profits out and do whet— unexpected profits out and do whet-rteeee - unexpected profits out and do. what-rises? -they what with rate rises? well, they eewtt— what with rate rises? well, they could make society a bit more fair or fairer in a million ways with that sort of money. what about about what about about what about the what about the corporation? going the corporation? it's not going to economy. it's not to sort the economy. it's not going sort. to sort the economy. it's not going-sort. what- to sort the economy. it's not going-sort. what about. going to sort. what about recession inflation or recession or inflation or ehwthhe—

recession or inflation or anything like- recession or inflation or anything like that? but what it eewtt—te- anything like that? but what it eewtt—te eweri could do, for example, is over the— could do, for example, is over the next— could do, for example, is over the next-months,- could do, for example, is over the next months, could the next few months, it could hete— the next few months, it could hete te— the next few months, it could help to alleviate— the next few months, it could help to alleviate some of the teet— help to alleviate some of the real-problems- help to alleviate some of the real problems that real acute problems that people are real acute problems that people eehe— real acute problems that people eehe te— real acute problems that people eehe te he— real acute problems that people are going to be facing with theh— are going to be facing with their increased— are going to be facing with. their increased-pain. their increased mortgage pain. but their increased mortgage pain.l hwt—wett but what does that mean? well, giving—people- but what does that mean? well, giving—people toi giving more cash to people to pay— giving more cash to people to eew-meheeeee- giving more cash to people to eew-meheeeee te- giving more cash to people to pay mortgages is i mean, pay their mortgages is i mean, we eeh-t— pay their mortgages is i mean, we can't-cannot— pay their mortgages is i mean, we can't cannot get into a we can't we cannot get into a ettwetteh— we can't we cannot get into a situation -the - we can't we cannot get into a situation the government, situation where the government, you situation where the government, wew-ehhe— situation where the government, wew-twrhe the— situation where the government, you during the pandemic, you know, during the pandemic, we—wtth— you know, during the pandemic, we—wtth the- you know, during the pandemic, we with the energy we paid wages with the energy ehehe— we paid wages with the energy ertete—eewhe- crisis. we started paying tewerte— crisis. we started paying- towards—bills. towards people's energy bills. the—etee- towards people's energy bills. the—etee h- towards people's energy bills.| the—step in every the state cannot step in every ttme— the state cannot step in every time something— the state cannot step in every time something happens start time something happens and start paying— time something happens and start paying—and— time something happens and start eewhe—hht tet-e- paying for things. and let's remember, state of our remember, the state of our ewhtte— remember, the state of our public finances.— remember, the state of our public finances. the state can. okay— public finances. the state can. okay se— public finances. the state can. okayr se tet-e.— public finances. the state can. okay, so let's. okay, you're eetwettw— okay, so let's. okay, you're actually-they- okay, so let's. okay, you're actually they can. and actually right. they can. and you— actually right. they can. and wew-whet— actually right. they can. and you what happened actually right. they can. and you-what happened may you know what happened may may i thht— you know what happened may may i thht-the— you know what happened may may i thht-the teet— you know what happened may may i think the last figures our think was the last figures our eeht— think was the last figures our teht ewr— think was the last figures our debt our public— think was the last figures our debt our public sector debt for the het— debt our public sector debt for the first time— debt our public sector debt for the first time since the 90s ehe— the first time since the 90s teee — the first time since the 90s since 1960 was— the first time since the 90s since 1960 was equal to 100% of eth— since 1960 was equal to 100% of the .— since 1960 was equal to 100% of the . ahe— since 1960 was equal to 100% of the . the teet— since 1960 was equal to 100% of gdp . and last financial year gdp. and last financial year twet— gdp. and last financial year twet te— gdp. and last financial year twet te eew— gdp. and last financial year twet te eew the— gdp. and last financial year just to pay the interest on that eeht— just to pay the interest on that teht whteh— just to pay the interest on that debt which who's— just to pay the interest on that debt which who's paying that teteewere— debt which who's paying that teteewere te — debt which who's paying that teteewere te eew— debt which who's paying that taxpayers to pay that interest ehewt— taxpayers to pay that interest was about 110— taxpayers to pay that interest was about 110 £115 billion. that is was about 110 £115 billion. that he theh— was about 110 £115 billion. that is more than we— was about 110 £115 billion. that is more than we spend on etweetteh— is more than we spend on etweetteh h— is more than we spend on education in this country. in teet— education in this country. in he he— education in this country. in fact, it's 50%_ education in this country. in fact, it's 50% higher than we eeeht— fact, it's 50% higher than we eeeht eh— fact, it's 50% higher than we spend on education here. so to

say— spend on education here. so to eew thet— spend on education here. so to eew thet the— spend on education here. so to say that the state— spend on education here. so to say that the state can just keep eeehthe— say that the state can just keep eeehthe thre— say that the state can just keep spending this money is false, wett— spending this money is false, well,-completely- spending this money is false, well, completely favour well, i'm completely in favour of well, i'm completely in favour et-etete— well, i'm completely in favour of state intervening before of the state intervening before hreetteet— of the state intervening before breakfast,-lunch,- of the state intervening before breakfast, lunch, before breakfast, before lunch, before the. — breakfast, before lunch, before ttmer. le— breakfast, before lunch, before the. le tew— breakfast, before lunch, before dinner. ti. dinner. as a tory politician. actually, heseltine, actually, michael heseltine, once doing it for once said, if it's doing it for the right reasons and where do you get the money from ? in the you get the money from? in the middle for it, the middle of middle for it, in the middle of a of living? well, i'll a cost of living? well, i'll tell you how pay for it. tell you how you pay for it. i mean, i've just mentioned the fact that, know, some of our fact that, you know, some of our corporations are recording record mentioned record profits. i've mentioned the energy the banks and the energy companies. city companies. you've also got city bonuses. but there is a windfall tax on the energy companies. bonuses. but there is a windfall tax 0 on, e energy companies. bonuses. but there is a windfall tax 0 on, charlie.' companies. bonuses. but there is a windfall tax 0 on, charlie.' compegot;. hold on, charlie. you've got city bonuses have been city bonuses which have been rising handsomely. you've got direct has been direct pay, which has been rising truth rising handsomely. the truth is that over the last few years, some some some people and some corporations done corporations have done very handsomely. the handsomely. i agree with the situation. if it means that situation. now, if it means that the state has to intervene using the state has to intervene using the power of the in order the power of the state in order to rebalance the economy, in order the grotesque order to tackle the grotesque income and wealth distribution disparities that are present in this country and have been exacerbated as a result of the last few years, then i absolutely think the state should be should be intervened.

i think there's no excuse. i think this sounds great and statements like need to statements like we need to rebalance economy are rebalance the economy are brilliant. if you getting brilliant. if you start getting hte— brilliant. if you start getting hte-te— brilliant. if you start getting hte-te wew- brilliant. if you start getting into-do you do- brilliant. if you start getting into-do you do it?. brilliant. if you start getting. into-do you do it? and into the how do you do it? and i eeh-t— into the how do you do it? and i teh-t thht— into the how do you do it? and i don't think we've— into the how do you do it? and i don't think we've heard the answers for that. �*ftt�*till answers for that. well, have you got the answers at home? how do you reckon to grips with you reckon we get to grips with the mess that we're let's be the mess that we're in? let's be honest, in a mess now, honest, we are in a mess now, aren't we? is it taxing the life out of the corporations to give us money back, or is it. you us the money back, or is it. you tell me. and we talk about the rich and the poor and the discrepancy. might discrepancy. there. you might be struggling i don't struggling to afford. i don't know, in skegness. the know, a week in skegness. the other they're spending other half they're spending nearly down nearly £200,000 to go deep down on to ocean floor to look at on to the ocean floor to look at things like the titanic. of course, sad outcome. many course, very sad outcome. many people saying it's though, people saying it's time, though, for things for it to stop, leave things like alone, stop like the titanic alone, stop with tourism . do we with the danger tourism. do we need to stop your thoughts

on gb news. the people's channel htteh— on gb news. the people's channel hrtteth te— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching .— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching . “tiiti britain is watching. hello there , michelle dewberry. charlotte pickles , michelle dewberry. charlotte rtettee eht— , michelle dewberry. charlotte pickles and paul— , michelle dewberry. charlotte pickles and paul embry- it ti. t charlotte pickles and paul embry with you till

pickles and paul embry with you tttt hoo— pickles and paul embry with you till 7:00 tonight. _ pickles and paul embry with you till 7:00 tonight. lots of you eehhe— till 7:00 tonight. lots of you eehhe h— till 7:00 tonight. lots of you getting in touch— till 7:00 tonight. lots of you getting in touch about that ettwetteh— getting in touch about that situation in— getting in touch about that situation in essex. a 1700. i eeet— situation in essex. a 1700. i met te— situation in essex. a 1700. i met te he— situation in essex. a 1700. i need to be careful because i eeh-t— need to be careful because i eeh-t eet— need to be careful because i can't set myself— need to be careful because i can't set myself back off again teewee— can't set myself back off again because we've— can't set myself back off again because we've only got till eht r— because we've only got till seven and i am.- because we've only got till seven and i am. i'm not happy ehewt— seven and i am. i'm not happy ehewt rt.— seven and i am. i'm not happy about it. everyone,— seven and i am. i'm not happy about it. everyone, carol says no,— about it. everyone, carol says we, htehete— about it. everyone, carol says no, michelle, you— about it. everyone, carol says no, michelle, you are not tetwtet— no, michelle, you are not tetwtet .— no, michelle, you are not deluded . had— no, michelle, you are not deluded . had nothing to do, deluded. had nothing to do, hewhere— deluded. had nothing to do, hewhere te— deluded. had nothing to do, nowhere to go. _ deluded. had nothing to do, nowhere to go. surely this can entw— nowhere to go. surely this can ehtw eht— nowhere to go. surely this can ehtw end he— nowhere to go. surely this can only end in trouble , elizabeth only end in trouble, elizabeth eewe— only end in trouble, elizabeth eewe tew— only end in trouble, elizabeth says, you know,— only end in trouble, elizabeth says, you know, there's been a hwee— says, you know, there's been a hwee eweh— says, you know, there's been a hwee eweh teet— says, you know, there's been a huge push back against this by us huge push back against this by we teeete— huge push back against this by we teeete. whw— huge push back against this by us locals. why is— huge push back against this by us locals. why is nobody ttetehhe— us locals. why is nobody listening to— us locals. why is nobody listening to us? i absolutely ehee— listening to us? i absolutely eeree wtth— listening to us? i absolutely agree with you,— listening to us? i absolutely agree with you, and unfortunately, i don't know the . jim— unfortunately, i don't know the answer . jim says— unfortunately, i don't know the answer . jim says sunak needs to answer. jim says sunak needs to go. answer. jim says sunak needs to 90- the— answer. jim says sunak needs to 90- thte te— answer. jim says sunak needs to 90- thte te ett— answer. jim says sunak needs to go. this is all wrong. well, he-e— go. this is all wrong. well, he het— go. this is all wrong. well, he het eehe— go. this is all wrong. well, he's not going anywhere . why he's not going anywhere. why wewtt— he's not going anywhere. why wewtt wew— he's not going anywhere. why would you change the way that you would you change the way that wew vete— would you change the way that wew wete h— would you change the way that you vote in-next_ would you change the way that you vote in next election? you vote in the next election? i eweeeet— you vote in the next election? i eweeeetlthte— you vote in the next election? i suspect .this issue _ you vote in the next election? i suspect this issue is still suspect if this issue is still a big— suspect if this issue is still a big three— suspect if this issue is still a big thhe .— suspect if this issue is still a big thhe , mehw— suspect if this issue is still a big thing , many people would. big thing, many people would. tet-e— big thing, many people would. tet-e me— big thing, many people would. let's move on,— big thing, many people would. let's move on, though, because twe— let's move on, though, because twe eet— let's move on, though, because twe eet e— let's move on, though, because twe eet e tet— let's move on, though, because i've got a lot to— let's move on, though, because i've got a lot to pack in teeteht— i've got a lot to pack in tonight. david- i've got a lot to pack in tonight. david one of my viewers, you— tonight. david one of my viewers, you lead me nicely. tewe— viewers, you lead me nicely. wew-re eewhe— viewers, you lead me nicely. you're saying why can't our eewemmeht— you're saying why can't our government look after its own eewteee— government look after its own eewteee heh— government look after its own service? men and— government look after its own service? men and women before teethe— service? men and women before teethe etter— service? men and women before looking after-that- service? men and women before looking after that didn't looking after people that didn't eewe—wett- looking after people that didn't eewe—wett e- looking after people that didn't serve—well ? did. serve their country well? did you— serve their country well? did wew thew— serve their country well? did wew thew thet— serve their country well? did you know that tomorrow it is

armed— you know that tomorrow it is armed forces— you know that tomorrow it is armed forces day? don't even ask me whw— armed forces day? don't even ask me whw the— armed forces day? don't even ask me why the armed— armed forces day? don't even ask me why the armed forces get a day— me why the armed forces get a tew eht— me why the armed forces get a tew eht ehte— me why the armed forces get a day and pride and— me why the armed forces get a day and pride and things like thet.— day and pride and things like thet. eet— day and pride and things like thet. eet e— day and pride and things like that. get a whole month. don't get me— that. get a whole month. don't get me etertet— that. get a whole month. don't get me started on— that. get a whole month. don't get me started on that one, teewee— get me started on that one, because again,— get me started on that one, because again, i'll be here all eew.— because again, i'll be here all tew. .eewwew— because again, i'll be here all day- - anywayr .you - because again, i'll be here all day. anyway, you think day. but anyway, do you think tet-e— day. but anyway, do you think tet-e-te— day. but anyway, do you think tet-e-te the— day. but anyway, do you think let's-to the chase.- day. but anyway, do you think let's to the chase. do you let's cut to the chase. do you thht— let's cut to the chase. do you ththt we— let's cut to the chase. do you ththt we te— let's cut to the chase. do you think we do respect our veterans enough?— think we do respect our veterans enough? charlotte i“ t think we do respect our veterans enough? charlotte titit“ . enough? charlotte i don't think there is enough support in place to ensure that for those incredibly brave men and women, i mean, how many of us would really, truly put our lives on the line in the way they do to make sure they are looked after? once they leave, whichever service they've been in. and we keep hearing awful stories about veterans that have committed suicide because they've been passed from pillar to post, trying to access services. and that totally unacceptable . that is totally unacceptable. but do think the government but i do think the government actually on this issue is led by johnny mercer, for minister veterans affairs is really trying to ensure there is the right services in place . money right services in place. money is being put in. we now have an office for veterans affairs. we never had that to try and shine

a light on this group. but but have we sorted it? have we done enough? no oh well, there willing. as charlie said, thew-re— willing. as charlie said, they're willing- willing. as charlie said, they're willing to- it “ti as charlie said, they're willing to make the wtttmete — they're willing to make the ultimate sacrifice and they're wtthe— ultimate sacrifice and they're wttthe te— ultimate sacrifice and they're wttthe te tew— ultimate sacrifice and they're willing to lay their lives on the— willing to lay their lives on the the— willing to lay their lives on the line for— willing to lay their lives on the line for their country . and the line for their country. and the— the line for their country. and the werw— the line for their country. and the werw teeet— the line for their country. and the very least we— the line for their country. and the very least we can do is when thew— the very least we can do is when thew rewrht— the very least we can do is when thew rewrht te — the very least we can do is when they return to civvy_ the very least we can do is when they return to civvy street is ehe— they return to civvy street is he them— they return to civvy street is the them ett— they return to civvy street is give them all the support and sustenance that— give them all the support and sustenance that we can as a eeetetw— sustenance that we can as a eeetetw te— sustenance that we can as a society to make— sustenance that we can as a society to make sure that they he — society to make sure that they can be reintegrated into normal life can be reintegrated into normal the eht— can be reintegrated into normal the me thet— can be reintegrated into normal life and that they— can be reintegrated into normal life and that they have opportunities in the future. and hehttw— opportunities in the future. and frankly w-wee— opportunities in the future. and frankly, we've been appalling at thet.— frankly, we've been appalling at thet. r— frankly, we've been appalling at thet. r thht— frankly, we've been appalling at that. i think we— frankly, we've been appalling at that. i think we should be much better— that. i think we should be much wetter-ehhe— that. i think we should be much better giving veterans career better at giving veterans career eethwewe— better at giving veterans career eethwewelr-we— better at giving veterans career pathways i've said before that pathways. i've said before that i pathways. i've said before that rthht— pathways. i've said before that rthht ee— pathways. i've said before that i think some of— pathways. i've said before that i think some of them would make greet— i think some of them would make greet teeehere— i think some of them would make great teachers and,— i think some of them would make great teachers and, know, great teachers and, you know, get great teachers and, you know, eet-hte— great teachers and, you know, eet-hte ee- great teachers and, you know, get-into some of- great teachers and, you know, get into some of our get them into some of our eeheete— get them into some of our schools teaching the kids. i thht— schools teaching the kids. i ththt thet— schools teaching the kids. i think that would be mutually hehehetet — think that would be mutually beneficial. but— think that would be mutually beneficial. but we don't seem to teewe— beneficial. but we don't seem to teewelthhee— beneficial. but we don't seem to focus-things like— beneficial. but we don't seem to focus things like that. and i focus on things like that. and i thht— focus on things like that. and i ththt hte— focus on things like that. and i think it's much— focus on things like that. and i think it's much to— focus on things like that. and i think it's much to the detriment of think it's much to the detriment et ewr— think it's much to the detriment et eewhtrw. — think it's much to the detriment of our country. .i'll- think it's much to the detriment of our country. i'll tell of our country. oh, i'll tell wew.— of our country. oh, i'll tell you-veterans- you. and the veterans themselves,- you. and the veterans themselves, would themselves, this country would be themselves, this country would tee—etee- themselves, this country would be place, wouldn't be in a better place, wouldn't it, be in a better place, wouldn't htlwe— be in a better place, wouldn't htlwe het— be in a better place, wouldn't htlwe had-ex— be in a better place, wouldn't it, we had ex military as it, if we had an ex military as teeehere. — it, if we had an ex military as teachers. can— it, if we had an ex military as teachers. can you- it, if we had an ex military as teachers. cr?“ ”pig it, if we had an ex military as teachers. ”pig teachers. can you imagine the kids? oh, i love it. this is great. this is this right? there is policy right there.

is a policy idea right there. more schools as more veterans into schools as teachers. these kids, the country. i think if you asked me, the country would be in a much better shape. but if you are a veteran, would you would you actually want that of you actually want that job of teaching some of the kids bring back jobs? back national service jobs? oh, hey, we debated that hey, we did it. we debated that not ago on dewbs& co. many not long ago on dewbs& co. many of you guys saying yes. and you talk the ultimate talk about the ultimate sacrifice there. i'll leave you guys in about your guys to get in touch about your thoughts veterans and thoughts on the veterans and whether we them whether or not we respect them and enough. but the ultimate and do enough. but the ultimate sacrifice, course, all sacrifice, of course, we've all been gripped, haven't we, to that story about and that story about the titan and its have a look its quest to go and have a look at the titanic, we followed that very closely. and of course, we saw very sadly, the tragic end to last night. of to that tale last night. of course , people, including course, five people, including three british nationals , did three british nationals, did very sadly lose their life. and it's sparked this huge conversation with so many different angles to it. lots of voices . scarlet, scarlet, voices. scarlet, scarlet, charlotte , scarlet was last charlotte, scarlet was last night. life's moved on. lots of voices. charlotte saying that things like the titan tick

should be left alone. actually one of the family relatives groups there speaking out a lot at the moment on a facebook group saying they think it's disrespectful to their loved ones and all the rest of it, that people are trying to make a tourist attraction of the titanic. they're calling for these and all the rest of these trips and all the rest of it to be banned. do you agree? i think in this instance, which obviously as you said , and obviously is, as you said, and we've been tragically we've all been tragically gfipped we've all been tragically gripped by it and obviously can't imagine what the families are going through now. but in this instance, it was- are going through now. but in this instance, it was a- git “ti 3 but in this instance, it was a tourist the. — this instance, it was a tourist the. tew— this instance, it was a tourist trip. you know,— this instance, it was a tourist trip. you know, this wasn't an eteteretteh. — trip. you know, this wasn't an exploration. plenty of other thee— exploration. plenty of other trtee hete— exploration. plenty of other trips have gone— exploration. plenty of other trips have gone down to the theme.— trips have gone down to the titanic.-weren't- trips have gone down to the titanic. weren't searching titanic. they weren't searching or titanic. they weren't searching er-e eert- titanic. they weren't searching or-a new part of- titanic. they weren't searching or a new part of the or exploring a new part of the ite— or exploring a new part of the eeeehlte we— or exploring a new part of the ocean. to us understand, you ocean. for to us understand, you thew,— ocean. for to us understand, you thew, whet-e— ocean. for to us understand, you know, what's going— ocean. for to us understand, you know, what's going on in it. the— know, what's going on in it. thte thre— know, what's going on in it. this this was— know, what's going on in it. this this was extreme tourism. thet-e— this this was extreme tourism. that's absolutely— this this was extreme tourism. that's absolutely it was. that's absolutely what it was. the— that's absolutely what it was. the-thew, — that's absolutely what it was. the-thew, r— that's absolutely what it was. and-know, i can- that's absolutely what it was. and know, i can see for how and you know, i can see for how temtttee— and you know, i can see for how temtttee thet— and you know, i can see for how families that have— and you know, i can see for how families that have links to the theme— families that have links to the titanic tragedy,— families that have links to the titanic tragedy, the original theme— titanic tragedy, the original titanic tragedy— titanic tragedy, the original titanic tragedy might feel that this titanic tragedy might feel that thte te— titanic tragedy might feel that thte te ewhe— titanic tragedy might feel that this is quite gratuitous. titanic tragedy might feel that this is quite gratuitous . you this is quite gratuitous. you thew,— this is quite gratuitous. you thew, twet— this is quite gratuitous. you know, just being incredibly weetthw— know, just being incredibly weetthw eht— know, just being incredibly wealthy and being able to go

tewe— wealthy and being able to go tewh eht— wealthy and being able to go down and see— wealthy and being able to go down and see it.— wealthy and being able to go down and see it. and yet there are down and see it. and yet there tete— down and see it. and yet there tete et— down and see it. and yet there are lots of different sites, righte— are lots of different sites, right thet— are lots of different sites, right, that we- are lots of different sites, right, that we encourage people to right, that we encourage people te 90— right, that we encourage people te 90 te. — right, that we encourage people te 90 te. r— right, that we encourage people te 90 te. r meee— right, that we encourage people to go to. i mean, lots of heteeewet— to go to. i mean, lots of holocaust sites. we want people to holocaust sites. we want people te 90— holocaust sites. we want people te 90 eht— holocaust sites. we want people te 90 mt wett— holocaust sites. we want people to go and visit to— holocaust sites. we want people to go and visit to remember them so to go and visit to remember them ee thet— to go and visit to remember them ee thet we— to go and visit to remember them so that we don't— to go and visit to remember them so that we don't forget. so i'm het— so that we don't forget. so i'm het ee— so that we don't forget. so i'm het hte— so that we don't forget. so i'm not sure it's quite— so that we don't forget. so i'm not sure it's quite that clear ewh— not sure it's quite that clear ewt. hwt— not sure it's quite that clear cut. but what— not sure it's quite that clear cut. but what i— not sure it's quite that clear cut. but what i do think is that we eeet— cut. but what i do think is that we met te— cut. but what i do think is that we need to think— cut. but what i do think is that we need to think very carefully ehewt— we need to think very carefully about allowing— we need to think very carefully about allowing these kind of weteeteet— about allowing these kind of untested, properly tested submarines— untested, properly tested submarines going down. �*ftt�*till submarines going down. well, i thet— submarines going down. well, i thtmt the— submarines going down. well, i think the question is, if you say the titanic is off limits, then where do you draw the line? i mean, i remember in 1982, i think it was being a kid in school and we were all taken into the tv room to see the raising of the mary rose, which was mary rose is amazing to visit. yeah. and you know, it was a fantastic thing to witness and i completely take, you know, charlie's point about this wasn't exploration. i get that. but nonetheless, think we but nonetheless, i do think we need to encourage people to do this sort of thing. it's a sort of we wouldn't have heard of the likes of edmund hillary, neil armstrong, gagarin

armstrong, yuri gagarin and people that people people like that if people weren't to the weren't prepared to push the boundaries. and let's not get too the culture of, too much into the culture of, you i each to their you know, i say each to their own. i mean, of course they tewee— own. i mean, of course they tewht htte— own. i mean, of course they found bits of— own. i mean, of course they found bits of the— i mean, of course they found bits of the debris. now, heweh-t— found bits of the debris. now, heweh-t they— found bits of the debris. now, haven't they, from the titan. r-m — haven't they, from the titan. r-m ehewhe— haven't they, from the titan. i'm showing-bits- haven't they, from the titan. i'm showing bits that they i'm showing the bits that they tewee— i'm showing the bits that they tewhtlthe— i'm showing the bits that they found-the seabed- i'm showing the bits that they found the seabed on the found on the seabed on the screen-you can- found on the seabed on the screen you can see, i screen how. so you can see, l thht— screen how. so you can see, l ththt hte— screen how. so you can see, l ththt tt-e we— screen now. so you can see, i think it's up to— screen now. so you can see, i think it's up to about five eehe— think it's up to about five eehe-where- think it's up to about five parts where they are parts there where they are tewht. — parts there where they are tewht. -me- parts there where they arei found. -me,-each parts there where they are- found. -me,-each to found. and to me, it's each to theh— found. and to me, it's each to theh-rt— found. and to me, it's each to theh-rt wew— found. and to me, it's each to their-if you want- found. and to me, it's each to their if you want do their own. if you want to do thet— their own. if you want to do thet wtth— their own. if you want to do that with-time,- their own. if you want to do that with time, your that with your time, your resources, money and all resources, your money and all the— resources, your money and all the teet— resources, your money and all the reet et— resources, your money and all the rest of it,— resources, your money and all the rest of it, you— resources, your money and all the rest of it, you know, the hete— the rest of it, you know, the risks involved. _ the rest of it, you know, the risks involved. absolutely hege— risks involved. absolutely tragic,.course,- risks involved. absolutely tragic, course, for all the tragic, of course, for all the temtttee— tragic, of course, for all the- families—these families and loved ones of these the.— families and loved ones of these five-ultimately— families and loved ones of these five.-ultimately ,_ families and loved ones of these five.-ultimately , it- families and loved ones of these five. ultimately , it is a five. but ultimately, it is a hee— five. but ultimately, it is a hee wertt— five. but ultimately, it is a free world and— five. but ultimately, it is a free world and it is your ehehe— free world and it is your choice, what— free world and it is your choice, what you do with your the— choice, what you do with your ttme—teh-tl choice, what you do with your ttme—teh-t tti time and your money, isn't it tew— time and your money, isn't it your thoughts— time and your money, isn't it your thoughts as— time and your money, isn't it your thoughts as.

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heter— drink on a friday. when can you? reter eewe— drink on a friday. when can you? reter eewe r— drink on a friday. when can you? peter says, i agree— drink on a friday. when can you? peter says, i agree with the ex hemeh— peter says, i agree with the ex hemeh ter— peter says, i agree with the ex fireman for the _ peter says, i agree with the ex fireman for the first time ever . there— fireman for the first time ever . there wew— fireman for the first time ever . there wew ee— fireman for the first time ever . there you go. that's a nice hemeh— . there you go. that's a nice hemeh . — . there you go. that's a nice hemeh . x— . there you go. that's a nice fireman . < �*" it fireman. x fireman. i'm still serving. thank you very much. oh, you know, when we're getting to oh, you know, when we're getting te thet, — oh, you know, when we're getting te thet, theh— oh, you know, when we're getting to that, then everyone. all rtehtw— to that, then everyone. all rtehtw. wew— to that, then everyone. all righty. now going. if he's still eehhe— righty. now going. if he's still servingr whw— righty. now going. if he's still serving, why has— righty. now going. if he's still serving, why has he got a beard them— serving, why has he got a beard them eh— serving, why has he got a beard them eh eh— serving, why has he got a beard then? off on a— serving, why has he got a beard then? off on a tangent so then? off on a tangent we go. so i'll then? off on a tangent we go. so r-tt-thet— then? off on a tangent we go. so i'll-that tangent— then? off on a tangent we go. so i'll that tangent right in i'll nip that tangent right in the ewe— i'll nip that tangent right in the bud because we've got a lot to the bud because we've got a lot te-e— the bud because we've got a lot te-e tet— the bud because we've got a lot te-e tet te— the bud because we've got a lot te-e tet te eet— the bud because we've got a lot to a lot to get through. to get, a lot to get through. hwt— to get, a lot to get through. eewt-eewe— to get, a lot to get through. hwt-eewe-hel to get, a lot to get through.- but-says-he agrees but peter says anyway, he agrees wtth— but peter says anyway, he agrees wtth-the— but peter says anyway, he agrees with -the first _ but peter says anyway, he agrees with-the first time- but peter says anyway, he agrees with the first time ever with you for the first time ever teewee— with you for the first time ever heeewee-thet- with you for the first time ever because -that the - with you for the first time ever because that the way we because he says that the way we treet— because he says that the way we treet ewr— because he says that the way we treat our workers— because he says that the way we treat our workers this treat our workers in this eewetrw— treat our workers in this country ht— treat our workers in this country, it is— treat our workers in this country, it is disgusting. he eewe.— country, it is disgusting. he eewe-te— country, it is disgusting. he eewe-he whw- country, it is disgusting. he says. -is why the - country, it is disgusting. he says. is why the workforce says. that is why the workforce eeee— says. that is why the workforce eeee ehreeet— says. that is why the workforce goes abroad. - says - says. that is why the workforce goes abroad. says all goes abroad. graham says all erehteme— goes abroad. graham says all erehteme ee— goes abroad. graham says all problems are-by- goes abroad. graham says all problems are by high problems are caused by high eherew—theml energy prices, lower them by wetne— energy prices, lower them by using-available- using our available reserves of gas,— using our available reserves of eee ett— using our available reserves of eee ett eht— using our available reserves of gas, oil and coal.— using our available reserves of gas, oil and coal. and while et— gas, oil and coal. and while et n,— gas, oil and coal. and while et e, 90— gas, oil and coal. and while we're at it, go all out for hwteer— we're at it, go all out for nuclear as well- we're at it, go all out for nuclear as well . you've teed my nuclear as well. you've teed my next— nuclear as well. you've teed my next eeht— nuclear as well. you've teed my next eeht we— nuclear as well. you've teed my next eeht we wew— nuclear as well. you've teed my next point up very well. so you hete— next point up very well. so you hewe erehem— next point up very well. so you have graham because as finland there-e— have graham because as finland there-e e— have graham because as finland there-e e teet— have graham because as finland there's a bear with— have graham because as finland there's a bear with me finland meht— there's a bear with me finland

rteht hte— there's a bear with me finland rteht tt-e teeeet— there's a bear with me finland right it's topped the un's world heeeheee— right it's topped the un's world happiness index— right it's topped the un's world happiness index again right. the— happiness index again right. thte te— happiness index again right. thte he the— happiness index again right. this is the sixth— happiness index again right. this is the sixth time in a row hte— this is the sixth time in a row tt-e eeeerehttw— this is the sixth time in a row tt-e eeeerehttw e— this is the sixth time in a row it's apparently a whopping happy eewhtrw— it's apparently a whopping happy eewhtrw .— it's apparently a whopping happy eewhtrw . tee.— it's apparently a whopping happy country . yes. you— it's apparently a whopping happy country . yes. you can sit there country. yes. you can sit there eht— country. yes. you can sit there eht wew— country. yes. you can sit there eht wew eh— country. yes. you can sit there eht wew eew— country. yes. you can sit there and you can say they've got tewer— and you can say they've got lower income— and you can say they've got lower income inequality, they've got lower income inequality, they've eet hee — lower income inequality, they've got free health _ lower income inequality, they've got free health care and all the teet— got free health care and all the reet et— got free health care and all the reet et ht.— got free health care and all the rest of it. they've— got free health care and all the rest of it. they've got saunas on rest of it. they've got saunas eh ewerw— rest of it. they've got saunas on every street— rest of it. they've got saunas on every street corner as well. i on every street corner as well. r heeeehet— on every street corner as well. r heeeehet te— on every street corner as well. i happened to notice, but i'll tett— i happened to notice, but i'll tett wew— i happened to notice, but i'll tett wew whet— i happened to notice, but i'll tell you what i— i happened to notice, but i'll tell you what i think would make the wt— tell you what i think would make the wt heeeter— tell you what i think would make the uk happier list. look, i've got— the uk happier list. look, i've eet ee— the uk happier list. look, i've got some-news- the uk happier list. look, i've got some news you. it got some good news for you. it is got some good news for you. it te-eht— got some good news for you. it te-eht r— got some good news for you. it te-eht r etter— got some good news for you. it is-and i after all,- got some good news for you. it is and i after all, look is friday and i after all, look whet— is friday and i after all, look what happened. _ is friday and i after all, look what happened. we rant and rave ehewt— what happened. we rant and rave ehewt eetteme— what happened. we rant and rave about policing in— what happened. we rant and rave about policing in this country. eeh-t— about policing in this country. eeht-htt— about policing in this country. don't-all-time- about policing in this country. don't all time they get don't we? all the time they get meetet — don't we? all the time they get meetet ter— don't we? all the time they get mocked for doing— don't we? all the time they get mocked for doing all of their tehehe— mocked for doing all of their eehhe-the- mocked for doing all of their dancing-the rest- mocked for doing all of their dancing the rest of it. dancing and all the rest of it. hwt— dancing and all the rest of it. hwt teet— dancing and all the rest of it. but look, they've— dancing and all the rest of it. but look, they've something but look, they've done something wew—weteh- but look, they've done something wew—weteh .- but look, they've done something wew—weteh . sh- but look, they've done something very watch . sir what very good today. watch. sir what ehewt— very good today. watch. sir what ehewt .— very good today. watch. sir what ehewt . cemetwhe— very good today. watch. sir what about . complying with about. complying with. well, if you about. complying with. well, if wew wee— about. complying with. well, if you was listening,— about. complying with. well, if you was listening, not watching you was listening, not watching wew eeh-t— you was listening, not watching wew teh-t thew— you was listening, not watching you don't know what was going on. you don't know what was going htt— you don't know what was going on. i'll summarise—

you don't know what was going on. i'll summarise it. it was eheetwtetw— on. i'll summarise it. it was absolutely fabulous. and i think if absolutely fabulous. and i think tt me— absolutely fabulous. and i think tt et— absolutely fabulous. and i think if more of this— absolutely fabulous. and i think if more of this went on, the uk wewtt— if more of this went on, the uk wewtt he— if more of this went on, the uk wewtt he we— if more of this went on, the uk would be up there.— if more of this went on, the uk would be up there. it would be bumping— would be up there. it would be bumping the— would be up there. it would be bumping the finnish off the top eeet— bumping the finnish off the top eeet-ht— bumping the finnish off the top eeet-ht ee— bumping the finnish off the top spot-it comes to- bumping the finnish off the top spot it comes to happiness, spot when it comes to happiness, teewee— spot when it comes to happiness, because-everyone.- spot when it comes to happiness, because everyone. yes, because finally everyone. yes, twet— because finally everyone. yes, wet-ett— because finally everyone. yes, just-oil they're- because finally everyone. yes, just oil they're doing just stop oil they're doing theh— just stop oil they're doing their antics— just stop oil they're doing their antics wandering down the etreet. — their antics wandering down the etreet. thew— their antics wandering down the street. they were _ their antics wandering down the street. they were removed by the eettee— street. they were removed by the eettee h— street. they were removed by the eettee he he— street. they were removed by the police in 15 seconds.— street. they were removed by the police in 15 seconds. they were whteeet— police in 15 seconds. they were whteeet eh— police in 15 seconds. they were whipped off that— police in 15 seconds. they were whipped off that road quicker theh— whipped off that road quicker theh e— whipped off that road quicker theh e ewtet— whipped off that road quicker than a quick thing from shetteht. — than a quick thing from shetland. i— than a quick thing from shetland. i loved it. it made me happy-— shetland. i loved it. it made me heeew. rte— shetland. i loved it. it made me happy it's good— shetland. i loved it. it made me happy. it's good news. it heweht— happy. it's good news. it hreweht me— happy. it's good news. it brought me a- happy. it's good news. it brought me a cheer and a smile htemettw— brought me a cheer and a smile hterhettw ter— brought me a cheer and a smile internally for a _ brought me a cheer and a smile internally for a friday, which is internally for a friday, which he hert— internally for a friday, which is hard done— internally for a friday, which is hard done today, as you can tett— is hard done today, as you can tett. whet— is hard done today, as you can tett. whet te— is hard done today, as you can tell. what do you— is hard done today, as you can tell. what do you think to this whete— tell. what do you think to this whete the— tell. what do you think to this whole kind happiness nation whole kind of happiness nation and whole kind of happiness nation ehe-eehtewe— whole kind of happiness nation and-achieve it?- whole kind of happiness nation and-achieve it? i- whole kind of happiness nation and achieve it? i mean, and how we achieve it? i mean, i eeh-t— and how we achieve it? i mean, i teh-t thew— and how we achieve it? i mean, i teh-t thew hew— and how we achieve it? i mean, i don't know how you— and how we achieve it? i mean, i don't know how you quantify it eerttewtertw— don't know how you quantify it particularly because obviously as particularly because obviously ee—r— particularly because obviously ee—r-we- particularly because obviously ee—r-we erei as individuals, i think we are mete— as individuals, i think we are mete-hw— as individuals, i think we are mete-hw ett- as individuals, i think we are made by all sorts of made happy by all sorts of ttttereht— made happy by all sorts of different things. some people are happy by the sort of are made happy by the sort of accrual of wealth and that's their that's their lodestar in life. i think other people are dfiven life. i think other people are driven by very simple things. you know, having a decent job and having a good strong family around them walks in the countryside. a visit to the pub and stuff like that. so i mean,

i'd say from our point of view, if it is possible to take an overall view on this, i think that we are a bit of a what i would say is an un developing country at the moment and i don't think we're a developing country, we're an un developing country. i don't think we are particularly happy a country. particularly happy as a country. i we're very fragmented. i think we're very fragmented. i think we're atomised. i think we're very atomised. i think we're very atomised. i think grotesque think we've got grotesque inequality country . we inequality in this country. we i think particularly think nothing particularly works. think the government is works. i think the government is failing . i don't see any sign of failing. i don't see any sign of that in as long as you list and can we go? we could go on till midnight and say this is supposed being supposed to be about being happy. have you seen his list of whheeemeeee — happy. have you seen his list of unhappiness? but— happy. have you seen his list of unhappiness? but that- have you seen his list of unhappiness? i t unhappiness? but that doesn't mean can't be personally mean you can't be personally happy here with happy and sitting here with with you. ecstatic. i i finished. you. i'm ecstatic. i ifinished. i finished on a flourish. it did. it pulled it round at the eht— did. it pulled it round at the end there.— did. it pulled it round at the end there. well— i i it pulled it round at the end there. well done. what do you— end there. well done. what do wew-three— end there. well done. what do you-this? what- end there. well done. what do you this? what makes us you think to this? what makes us a you think to this? what makes us e-hetteh— you think to this? what makes us e-hetteh er— you think to this? what makes us a-nation or not? - you think to this? what makes us a nation or not? �*ftt�*till a happy nation or not? well, i'm tettehtet— a happy nation or not? well, i'm delighted to see the very speedy police response there too . i'm police response there too. i'm going play again police response there too. i'm going-playlagain by- police response there too. i'm going-playlagain by the. going to play it again by the eht— going to play it again by the end-programme. - going to play it again by the end programme. again, end of the programme. again, hetere— end of the programme. again, hetere-r— end of the programme. again, hetere-r-ee- end of the programme. again, before-i-so my- before we go, i am so my theetere— before we go, i am so my directors-tee- before we go, i am so my directors tee that up. we'll

directors can tee that up. we'll eht— directors can tee that up. we'll eht eh— directors can tee that up. we'll end we e— directors can tee that up. we'll end we e mee— directors can tee that up. we'll end on a nice smile. ctit end on a nice smile. go on. thet-e— end on a nice smile. go on. that's going to be michelle's weekend watching replay it. do you there's actually you know what? there's actually a of research this a lot of research into this topic you're right to topic and whilst you're right to an paul, people get an extent, paul, that people get happiness from different things, actually a there's actually there's a there's a really consistent body of evidence that shows that relationships and the quality of our relationships are the biggest thing determining whether we're happy. and that's not you mentioned it, not just, you mentioned it, strong families , friendship strong families, friendship groups, also just general groups, but also just general social interactions and connections . you know, do you connections. you know, do you know the barista in a cafe near you? do you know the pub landlord? you know, things like that because it creates a sense of community it it creates of community and it it creates a sense that you belong somewhere. and top of i mean, you and on top of that, i mean, you mentioned right? having a mentioned it, right? having a decent feeling you decent job, feeling secure, you know, of agency. know, having a sense of agency. i the reason that take i mean, the reason that take back wanting to get back control, not wanting to get into, it is brexit day . the into, but it is brexit day. the reason why take back control resonates is because people felt like a sense of like they want a sense of agency, they control agency, right? they want control over that makes over their lives and that makes you happy. if my football you more happy. if my football

teem,— you more happy. if my football team, wolverhampton- if my football team, wolverhampton wanderers, hete— have won on a saturday etterheeh— have won on a saturday afternoon,-is,- have won on a saturday afternoon, is, that is afternoon, that is, that is whether— afternoon, that is, that is unbridled something i would unbridled joy, something i would ehe—ter— unbridled joy, something i would ehe—tet thet- give everything for that connection,— give everything for thati connection,_| give everything for that- connection,_| mean connection, something i mean the— connection, something i mean tete et— connection, something i mean tete et wew— connection, something i mean lots of you getting in touch ehewt— lots of you getting in touch about serviceman. t lots of you getting in touch- about-serviceman. dave said about this serviceman. dave said he-e— about this serviceman. dave said he-e eweert— about this serviceman. dave said he a superb former army he had a superb former army colonel that taught him as a teacher , a teacher who was his teacher, a teacher who was his former housemaster. he said every pupil there every single pupil there respected . there respected him. there was complete and in his complete law and order in his classes. there absolutely no classes. there was absolutely no messing was in messing about that was in norfolk. you had norfolk. laurie you had ex—servicemen as your teachers as well. you said they did a wonderful job, albeit very brave. you said if any pupils defied brave. you said if any pupils defied them. cor blimey , you defied them. cor blimey, you knew about it. i do . i think knew about it. i do. i think teachers make them ex military . teachers make them ex military. i think that would sort out a lot of the problems in our society. andy you're saying that people shouldn't be going down to things like the titanic treat it with respect and leave it alone. that's all i've got time for it flies when you're having fun, doesn't it? guess what, everyone? a real treat for you guys.lee everyone? a real treat for you guys. lee anderson, first guys. lee anderson, his first program up for now, we've program up next. for now, we've got i'm got to say goodbye. and i'm going out with the

going to roll out with the credits, repeating a little bit of that. stop oil video if of that. just stop oil video if i it'll cut off before the i can. it'll cut off before the end, hey, it's great. get end, but hey, it's great. get them streets. 15 them off the streets. 15 seconds. on. i absolutely seconds. go on. i absolutely love . seconds gone . yes, love it. seconds gone. yes, that's what you want, isn't it? get them off. good to see the police doing a good job. fantastic. i love it. that's made me

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