move to an interest or temporary move to an interest only plan. labour says the new measures are a weak response , measures are a weak response, but jeremy hunt says the plans will help those who face losing their homes. the most significant thing is that they can pick up the phone to their bank or their mortgage lender and talk about their situation without any worry that it will impact their credit score and if they decide to make their payments easier by extending the penod payments easier by extending the period of their mortgage or by going to an interest only package that can go back to their original package without any questions asked, without any impact on their credit score within six months. that's the reassurance that— s that's the reassurance that people like martin— reassurance that people like martin lewis— reassurance that people like martin lewis have been saying wm— martin lewis have been saying will make— martin lewis have been saying will make a— martin lewis have been saying will make a big— martin lewis have been saying will make a big difference for families— will make a big difference for families in— will make a big difference for families in those— will make a big difference for families in those situations . families in those situations. m...— families in those situations. brilliant three— families in those situations. brilliant three district council has— brilliant three district council has lost— brilliant three district council has lost an— brilliant three district council has lost an appeal over plans to the— has lost an appeal over plans to use the wethersfield airfield in essex— use the wethersfield airfield in essex so — use the wethersfield airfield in essex to house _ use the wethersfield airfield in essex to house asylum seekers. the— essex to house asylum seekers. the council— essex to house asylum seekers. the council brought— essex to house asylum seekers. the council brought legal- essex to house asylum seekers. the council brought legal action against the home office over the proposed use of the site to

accommodate up to 1700 male asylum seekers for up to six months. the local authority argued proposals would breach planning control, but judges dismissed the appeal, ruling in favour of the home office. a 25 year old man has been found guilty of murdering a met police officer in south london in 2020. luis de shot matt ratana in the chest at a police station after smuggling in an antique revolver and opening fire while still in handcuffs. as a result , the handcuffs. as a result, the independent office for police conduct recommends hand—held metal detectors should be ruled out by all forces . straw breaks out by all forces. straw breaks at heathrow have been called off as workers accept a new pay deal as workers accept a new pay deal. more than 2000 staff members were due to strike for 31 days throughout the summer. unite union says workers will receive a pay increase of

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same day. chris whitty was talking to the world's most eoveusre— talking to the world's most expensive covid inquiry about the expensive covid inquiry about use roore— expensive covid inquiry about use roore or— expensive covid inquiry about the logic of locking down reorrrry— the logic of locking down healthy people and don't for one mruure— healthy people and don't for one mruure rurur— healthy people and don't for one minute think that— healthy people and don't for one minute think that these two issues are unrelated . and this issues are unrelated. and this issues are unrelated. and this rs rue— issues are unrelated. and this rs rrre mou— issues are unrelated. and this is the man who— issues are unrelated. and this is the man who stood at the reereru— is the man who stood at the reereru every— is the man who stood at the lectern every day- is the man who stood at the lectern every day at 5 pm. to explain— lectern every day at 5 pm. to errors wry— lectern every day at 5 pm. to errors why you— lectern every day at 5 pm. to explain why you mustn't leave your— explain why you mustn't leave your house — explain why you mustn't leave your house rm— explain why you mustn't leave your house. i'm sure you rememero rr— your house. i'm sure you remember it clearly and rrrggereo— remember it clearly and rrrggereu o— remember it clearly and triggered a half £1 trillion goyemmem— triggered a half £1 trillion government spending spree which has government spending spree which mos muo— government spending spree which has ser— government spending spree which has now set economy on has how set our economy on has now set our economy on course to probably collapse . s course to probably collapse. s mere— course to probably collapse. s mere rs— course to probably collapse. s here is whitty. _ course to probably collapse. s here is whitty. yesterday being ourzzeo— here is whitty. yesterday being ourzzeu om— here is whitty. yesterday being quizzed on how— here is whitty. yesterday being quizzed on how lockdowns came ooour. — quizzed on how lockdowns came ooour. very— quizzed on how lockdowns came orour. very org— quizzed on how lockdowns came about. very big new idea was the meo— about. very big new idea was the rueo or— about. very big new idea was the rueo of o— about. very big new idea was the idea of a lockdown. \r 37�* idea of a lockdown. all the npis are sometimes called lockdown by some commentators, but i'm talking here very, very specifically about the state saying people have to go go home and stay at home, except under very limited circumstances , a very limited circumstances, a very limited circumstances, a very radical thing to do. i would have thought it would be very surprising without this being requested by a senior politician or similar that a scientific committee would venture in between emergencies into that kind of

extraordinarily major social intervention with huge economic and social ramifications . right and social ramifications. right 7 and social ramifications. right ? so we were told m: f f right ? so we were told repeatedly mor— ? so we were told repeatedly mar me — ? so we were told repeatedly that the politicians were rorroumo— that the politicians were following the - that the politicians were following the science . yes, but following the science. yes, but the scientists— following the science. yes, but the scientists are— following the science. yes, but the scientists are now saying mor— the scientists are now saying mar mey— the scientists are now saying that they were _ the scientists are now saying that they were following the porrrreroms— that they were following the politicians, which begs the ouesrrom— politicians, which begs the ouesrrom .— politicians, which begs the question , who— politicians, which begs the question , who were the question, who were the politicians— question, who were the politicians following apart mom,— politicians following apart from or— politicians following apart from, of course, the chinese commumsr— from, of course, the chinese communist party- from, of course, the chinese communist party with their rooroge— communist party with their rooroge or— communist party with their footage of people face planting in footage of people face planting m me— footage of people face planting m me see— footage of people face planting in the street to _ footage of people face planting in the street to terrify the mess— in the street to terrify the west, where _ in the street to terrify the west, where were, unfortunately serr— west, where were, unfortunately serr semmo— west, where were, unfortunately self serving politicians were hoping— self serving politicians were hoping for— self serving politicians were hoping for o— self serving politicians were hoping for a popularity bounce as hoping for a popularity bounce os morr— hoping for a popularity bounce as matt hancock— hoping for a popularity bounce as matt hancock whatsapp messages revealed in january 2020,— messages revealed in january 2020, o— messages revealed in january 2020, o oeu— messages revealed in january 2020, a well handled crisis soure— 2020, a well handled crisis eouru proper— 2020, a well handled crisis could propel him into the next reooue— could propel him into the next league ome— could propel him into the next league and break— could propel him into the next league and break him through in rerms— league and break him through in rerms or— league and break him through in terms of public— league and break him through in terms of public perception . oh, terms of public perception. oh, it terms of public perception. oh, rr uro— terms of public perception. oh, rr ore mor- — terms of public perception. oh, it did that. all— terms of public perception. oh, it did that. all right. hancock we definitely— it did that. all right. hancock we definitely have your number . rou— we definitely have your number now . you see, to— we definitely have your number now . you see, to truly now. you see, to truly understand - now. you see, to truly understand the country we live in understand the country we live m or— understand the country we live m or me— understand the country we live in at the moment,— understand the country we live in at the moment, the economic erusrer— in at the moment, the economic cluster fiasco _ in at the moment, the economic cluster fiasco only— in at the moment, the economic cluster fiasco only makes sense urem— cluster fiasco only makes sense when vreueu— cluster fiasco only makes sense when viewed alongside decisions

mode— when viewed alongside decisions made smee— when viewed alongside decisions made sumo— when viewed alongside decisions made since spring 2020. a man rumo— made since spring 2020. a man who rs— made since spring 2020. a man who rs summo— made since spring 2020. a man who is starting to— made since spring 2020. a man who is starting to be trolled by his who is starting to be trolled by ms om— who is starting to be trolled by his own name,— who is starting to be trolled by his own name, foreign secretary yumes— his own name, foreign secretary yumes creyerry,— his own name, foreign secretary james cleverly, was on stage rms— james cleverly, was on stage rms weer— james cleverly, was on stage this week blaming ukraine brexit and rum— this week blaming ukraine brexit and rum arr— this week blaming ukraine brexit and putin. all the— this week blaming ukraine brexit and putin. all the usual convenient— and putin. all the usual convenient get out of jail free sores— convenient get out of jail free sores for— convenient get out of jail free cards for mps_ convenient get out of jail free cards for mps too— convenient get out of jail free cards for mps too lazy to read omymmo— cards for mps too lazy to read omymmg romger— cards for mps too lazy to read anything longer than a tweet. it is anything longer than a tweet. it rs or— anything longer than a tweet. it is none of those— anything longer than a tweet. it is none of those things. it is rem— is none of those things. it is rem years— is none of those things. it is rem years or— is none of those things. it is ten years of ex— is none of those things. it is ten years of ex goldman sachs bonker— ten years of ex goldman sachs oomrer morr— ten years of ex goldman sachs banker mark carney appointed by george— banker mark carney appointed by george osborne— banker mark carney appointed by george osborne to— banker mark carney appointed by george osborne to lead the bank of george osborne to lead the bank or moromu— george osborne to lead the bank or moromu vro— george osborne to lead the bank of england via excessively low mreresr— of england via excessively low interest rates— of england via excessively low interest rates ,_ of england via excessively low interest rates , grotesque interest rates, grotesque property— interest rates, grotesque property bubbles and overzealous momey— property bubbles and overzealous momey pumme— property bubbles and overzealous momey ormrmg .— property bubbles and overzealous money printing , which ramped up money printing, which ramped up to money printing, which ramped up ro wom— money printing, which ramped up ro warp speed— money printing, which ramped up to warp speed during lockdowns so mor— to warp speed during lockdowns so that healthy— to warp speed during lockdowns so that healthy young people soure— so that healthy young people souru mue— so that healthy young people could hide at— so that healthy young people could hide at home instead of going— could hide at home instead of some ro— could hide at home instead of some ro worr— could hide at home instead of some ro work .— could hide at home instead of going to work . we now know that going to work. we now know that sous— going to work. we now know that sorrs yormsom— going to work. we now know that boris johnson knew— going to work. we now know that boris johnson knew the true rrsrs— boris johnson knew the true rrsrs .— boris johnson knew the true rrsrs . mem— boris johnson knew the true risks . even the— boris johnson knew the true risks . even the over 65 seconds risks. even the over 65 seconds or— risks. even the over 65 seconds were at greater— risks. even the over 65 seconds were at greater risk of falling dorm— were at greater risk of falling down me — were at greater risk of falling down the stairs— were at greater risk of falling down the stairs at home, he said in down the stairs at home, he said m o— down the stairs at home, he said m o messoe— down the stairs at home, he said m o messge ro— down the stairs at home, he said in a message to chris whitty and he oomrrreu— in a message to chris whitty and he admitted we— in a message to chris whitty and he admitted we don't stop older oeoore— he admitted we don't stop older people mom — he admitted we don't stop older people from using— he admitted we don't stop older people from using stairs , but he people from using stairs, but he uosmr— people from using stairs, but he uosmr srromo— people from using stairs, but he wasn't strong enough to stand by this wasn't strong enough to stand by rms eeorrer— wasn't strong enough to stand by this correct assessment . we this correct assessment. we mouom— this correct assessment. we

mougm me— this correct assessment. we thought he was— this correct assessment. we thought he was silenced by yummy-s— thought he was silenced by whitty's science. apparently nor.— whitty's science. apparently not so— whitty's science. apparently not. so someone isn't being emrrrery— not. so someone isn't being entirely truthful. _ not. so someone isn't being entirely truthful. we have a coer— entirely truthful. we have a covru mourry— entirely truthful. we have a covid inquiry which looks more like covid inquiry which looks more rrre mommy— covid inquiry which looks more like nothing more— covid inquiry which looks more like nothing more than an sovermo— like nothing more than an covering exercise in which oeoore— covering exercise in which people roo— covering exercise in which people too weak to ask the right ouesrroms— people too weak to ask the right questions during— people too weak to ask the right questions during the time of a mover— questions during the time of a mover — questions during the time of a novel virus. dodge some more oomrress— novel virus. dodge some more pointless questions which will my— pointless questions which will only conclude— pointless questions which will only conclude that next time we smouru — only conclude that next time we smouru more— only conclude that next time we should make it— only conclude that next time we should make it much more simple and should make it much more simple one ousourre— should make it much more simple and outsource all— should make it much more simple and outsource all decision making— and outsource all decision making about— and outsource all decision making about freedoms and ro— making about freedoms and vaccines to the— making about freedoms and vaccines to the unelected , vaccines to the unelected, oouom— vaccines to the unelected, rougm mo — vaccines to the unelected, bought and paid for world health orgomsorrom. — bought and paid for world health organisation. and— bought and paid for world health organisation. and guess what? all organisation. and guess what? our mose— organisation. and guess what? all those people,— organisation. and guess what? all those people, they care even ress— all those people, they care even ress mom— all those people, they care even less than sunak_ all those people, they care even less than sunak or— all those people, they care even less than sunak or starmer about your— less than sunak or starmer about your mommy— less than sunak or starmer about your orrrrry ro— less than sunak or starmer about your orrrrry ro pay— less than sunak or starmer about your ability to pay off your rous— your ability to pay off your roms rou— your ability to pay off your loans. you deserve better. a concise inquiry— loans. you deserve better. a concise inquiry in which we find out concise inquiry in which we find our vmy— concise inquiry in which we find our vvrsy mere — concise inquiry in which we find out why there was— concise inquiry in which we find out why there was no economic eosr— out why there was no economic eosr rememr— out why there was no economic cost benefit analysis of such totalitarian _ cost benefit analysis of such totalitarian policies and a rumerrommg— totalitarian policies and a functioning economy that not my— functioning economy that not omry works— functioning economy that not only works for— functioning economy that not only works for huge corporations, but also the small ousmesses— corporations, but also the small businesses upon— corporations, but also the small businesses upon which this great morrom— businesses upon which this great morrom rs— businesses upon which this great nation is built— businesses upon which this great nation is built .— businesses upon which this great nation is built. hm let me businesses upon which this great nation is built . hm let me know nation is built. hm let me know whor— nation is built. hm let me know vrror you— nation is built. hm let me know

wear you mmr. — what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com. what you think.— vaiews@gbnews.com. joining were you rumm— vaiews@gbnews.com. joining me now vaiews@gbnews.com. joining me mrovvo— vaiews@gbnews.com. joining me ro urseuss— vaiews@gbnews.com. joining me now to discuss chris whitty's reverorrom— now to discuss chris whitty's revelation yesterday about roeruovms— revelation yesterday about lockdowns being political rather mom— lockdowns being political rather mom seremee— lockdowns being political rather than science decisions is jamie yemvms— than science decisions is jamie yemrms .— than science decisions is jamie jenkins , independent jenkins, independent statistician- jenkins, independent statistician and former head of meorm— statistician and former head of health analysis— statistician and former head of health analysis at the ons , and health analysis at the ons, and dr. health analysis at the ons, and or. uovru— health analysis at the ons, and dr. david lloyd,— health analysis at the ons, and dr. david lloyd, a— health analysis at the ons, and dr. david lloyd, a gp with the mus.— dr. david lloyd, a gp with the uus. eoou— dr. david lloyd, a gp with the nhs. good evening, gentlemen. mour— nhs. good evening, gentlemen. many you— nhs. good evening, gentlemen. thank you both— nhs. good evening, gentlemen. thank you both very much for joining— thank you both very much for y-ommg me— thank you both very much for joining me. jamie, what did you more— joining me. jamie, what did you more or— joining me. jamie, what did you make of whitty's— joining me. jamie, what did you make of whitty's admission yesreruoye— make of whitty's admission yesreruoye m— make of whitty's admission yesterday? if i— make of whitty's admission yesterday? if i can come to you mss— yesterday? if i can come to you rrrsr. rem— yesterday? if i can come to you rrrsr. ream r— yesterday? if i can come to you first. yeah i suppose. bev it's rme— first. yeah i suppose. bev it's me of— first. yeah i suppose. bev it's kind of interesting in terms of where we are so module one is looking at the preparedness for the pandemic. so how prepared we were going into it. module two of the covid inquiry will look at more around the lockdowns and i think that was kind of discussed yesterday. but what chris whitty kind saying chris whitty is kind of saying there, of there, which was kind of interesting for is that the interesting for me, is that the clip that you said is that, you know, was idea. now know, it was a big idea. now this idea was these this new idea was these lockdowns, which was mandatory quarantine population . quarantine for the population. and he said it would be surprising that unless it was requested by a senior politician that the scientific committee

would actually go into that kind of suggestion overall. so to me, is that a bit of distancing himself from the kind of the lockdown measures themselves ? lockdown measures themselves? but i think what we need to consider of consider there then, if any of these meetings taking these meetings were taking place, surely there minutes place, surely there were minutes of so the covid place, surely there were minutes of probably so the covid place, surely there were minutes of probably in so the covid place, surely there were minutes of probably in module zovid place, surely there were minutes of probably in module two, inquiry probably in module two, when they consider what was actually happening during the pandemic , not the pandemic, not before the pandemic, not before the pandemic, could come to pandemic, that could come to light, but ultimately , you light, but but ultimately, you know, he he said it was an extraordinarily major social intervention. his words with huge economic and social ramifications. and we're seeing the huge social and economic, you know, economic ramifications now. bev so i think for me, he's kind of admitting that lockdowns were probably a quite extreme measure that the scientific community wouldn't have gone with without politicians advice. yeah . doctor david lloyd, as yeah. doctor david lloyd, as a ooeror— yeah. doctor david lloyd, as a uoeror .— yeah. doctor david lloyd, as a uoeror, oo— yeah. doctor david lloyd, as a uoeror, do you— yeah. doctor david lloyd, as a doctor , do you find that doctor, do you find that smoermo — doctor, do you find that shocking to _ doctor, do you find that shocking to think that these reasons— shocking to think that these decisions to— shocking to think that these decisions to lock up healthy oeoore— decisions to lock up healthy people were— decisions to lock up healthy people were political rather mom— people were political rather than scientific— people were political rather than scientific based ? “ring: than scientific based? yes. i must— than scientific based? yes. i

must summ— than scientific based? yes. i must admit it— than scientific based? yes. i must admit it was a bit of a shock to read that myself because i thought that this was all based in science. i think they all based in science. i think mey mode— all based in science. i think they made the— all based in science. i think they made the right- : " ff ithink they made the right decision, mouom— they made the right decision, though, because _ they made the right decision, though, because if you at though, because if you look at the though, because if you look at me rare— though, because if you look at me rare or— though, because if you look at the rate at which— though, because if you look at the rate at which countries rocked— the rate at which countries locked countries the rate at which countries- locked -countries that locked down, the countries that rocked— locked down, the countries that locked - quickest - locked down, the countries that locked quickest have locked down the quickest have some-cowo— locked down the quickest have come -covid the - locked down the quickest have come covid the best and come out of covid the best and arso— come out of covid the best and orso move— come out of covid the best and orso move me— come out of covid the best and also have the lowest mortality rores — also have the lowest mortality rores so— also have the lowest mortality rores so u— also have the lowest mortality rates. so if it— also have the lowest mortality rates. so if it was— also have the lowest mortality rates. so if it was a politician or a scientist— rates. so if it was a politician or a scientist ,_ rates. so if it was a politician or a scientist , i— rates. so if it was a politician or a scientist, i don't really must— or a scientist, i don't really mmu eveeor— or a scientist, i don't really mind except that we were too rare — mind except that we were too rare ro — mind except that we were too rare ro go — mind except that we were too late to go into— mind except that we were too late to go into lockdown . late to go into lockdown. so you mmr— late to go into lockdown. so you mmr ve— late to go into lockdown. so you mmr we were— late to go into lockdown. so you think we were too— late to go into lockdown. so you think we were too late to go into lockdown, but would you support it? the subsequent lockdowns? david do you think they went on too long? well, i think there's a very good questions. and i don't know vmemer— questions. and i don't know vmemerieom— questions. and i don't know whether-can do- questions. and i don't know whether-can do the- : and i don't know whether can do the answer or whether we can do the answer or nor.— whether we can do the answer or mom—ry- whether we can do the answer or mom—by me- not. we were saved by the vaccine. .vaccine - not. we were saved by the vaccine. vaccine absolutely vaccine. the vaccine absolutely did vaccine. the vaccine absolutely ore emomge— vaccine. the vaccine absolutely did change the— vaccine. the vaccine absolutely did change the whole thing. rmmg— did change the whole thing. rmmg mour— did change the whole thing. thing about covid. so that if we had thing about covid. so that if we me very— thing about covid. so that if we had very effective— thing about covid. so that if we had very effective vaccines very gurerry, — had very effective vaccines very gurerry, vvmem— had very effective vaccines very quickly, which were absolutely evrrooromory— quickly, which were absolutely extraordinary and how good they mu— extraordinary and how good they were and so that— extraordinary and how good they were and so that did change the subseguem— were and so that did change the subsequent waves.— were and so that did change the subsequent waves. and so i think mors— subsequent waves. and so i think mor-s veere— subsequent waves. and so i think that's where the— subsequent waves. and so i think that's where the inquiry should be roobrmg— that's where the inquiry should be roobrmg g,— that's where the inquiry should be looking at, is— that's where the inquiry should be looking at, is whether the

roebuovvms— be looking at, is whether the lockdowns went— be looking at, is whether the lockdowns went on too long. but mere— lockdowns went on too long. but rbere rs— lockdowns went on too long. but there is absolutely— lockdowns went on too long. but there is absolutely no doubt in my mmu— there is absolutely no doubt in my mm mm— there is absolutely no doubt in my mind this is— there is absolutely no doubt in my mind this is that whatever vvberber— my mind this is that whatever vberber o— my mind this is that whatever whether a politician or a seremrrsr— whether a politician or a scientist made the decision, we were weeks late— scientist made the decision, we were weeks late locking down the rrrsr— were weeks late locking down the rrrsr rrme— were weeks late locking down the rrrsr rrme omb— were weeks late locking down the first time and therefore lost rbousomos— first time and therefore lost thousands of— first time and therefore lost thousands of lives. ri; thousands of lives. jamie, beobre— thousands of lives. jamie, people will say, why does this matter now? bev why are you talking about in summer talking about this in summer 2023? think it really 2023? but i think it really matters because so many of the situations that we find ourselves in now, particularly with the economy, really matter . and we're just at the start of the covid inquiry. and what do you make david's assessment you make of david's assessment that actually the lockdowns saved lives? and if you look globally across the world, that's evidence ? well i think that's evidence? well i think the first thing is the very first wave that we had. bev, nobody knew what- first wave that we had. bev, nobody knew what was- �*" “er: bev, nobody knew what was going on. so nobody knew what was going on. so mere-s— nobody knew what was going on. so mere-s o— nobody knew what was going on. so there's a lot— nobody knew what was going on. so there's a lot of— nobody knew what was going on. so there's a lot of discussion. bru— so there's a lot of discussion. me we— so there's a lot of discussion. me we boob— so there's a lot of discussion. did we lock down— so there's a lot of discussion. did we lock down too late? did we boob— did we lock down too late? did we lock down?— did we lock down too late? did we lock down? you— did we lock down too late? did we lock down? you know , should we lock down? you know, should move— we lock down? you know, should move-o— we lock down? you know, should move-o brr— we lock down? you know, should have-a bit earlier- we lock down? you know, should have a bit earlier did have been a bit earlier or did we eomrmue— have been a bit earlier or did we continue the— have been a bit earlier or did we continue the lockdown too muebe— we continue the lockdown too muebe r— we continue the lockdown too much? i think— we continue the lockdown too much? i think one things much? i think one of the things we much? i think one of the things ve—rbe- much? i think one of the things vve—rbe boro- much? i think one of the things. we _the data since we have seen from the data since the we have seen from the data since rue-or— we have seen from the data since rue-or me— we have seen from the data since rue-or me ur— we have seen from the data since the-of the uk and- we have seen from the data since the of the uk and other the kind of the uk and other oumrrres— the kind of the uk and other countries across— the kind of the uk and other countries across the world have gone— countries across the world have gone-me— countries across the world have gome-rbe rrvmg— countries across the world have gone the living with covid gone into the living with covid bboses— gone into the living with covid bboses ve—

gone into the living with covid phases, we continue have phases, we continue to have mese— phases, we continue to have- mese—mum, these covid waves. they're much, mueb—orel much lower than what they are beuse— much lower than what they are beuse or— much lower than what they are because of immunity across because of the immunity across the because of the immunity across me boburorrom— because of the immunity across the population has been the population that has been burb— the population that has been burr—rebel the population that has been. burb—remu ro built up. but what you tend to rme— built up. but what you tend to rmulrbey— built up. but what you tend to rmulrbey go— built up. but what you tend to rmulrbey go ub— built up. but what you tend to find they go up for about find is they go up for about four— find is they go up for about four or— find is they go up for about four or b— find is they go up for about four or b or— find is they go up for about four or 5 or 6— find is they go up for about four or 5 or 6 weeks. the cases, omb— four or 5 or 6 weeks. the cases, one mem— four or 5 or 6 weeks. the cases, one rbem rbey— four or 5 or 6 weeks. the cases, and then they start— four or 5 or 6 weeks. the cases, and then they start coming back down— and then they start coming back boom—guesrroml and then they start coming backi down—question is, down again. and the question is, bourb— down again. and the question is, vouru-bove— down again. and the question is, would have happened during would that have happened during the would that have happened during rue-omb— would that have happened during rbe-omu me— would that have happened during the and the second the first wave and the second wave without _ the first wave and the second wave without any— the first wave and the second wave without any interventions? you-borer— wave without any interventions? you - later evidence i you know, the later evidence vvouru— you know, the later evidence would potentially, would suggest potentially, but obvrousry— would suggest potentially, but obvrousry ve— would suggest potentially, but obviously we don't know. the mmg— obviously we don't know. the mmglme— obviously we don't know. the rbmglme rs— obviously we don't know. the thing-me is that- obviously we don't know. the thing me is that we thing for me is that when we rme— thing for me is that when we mud or— thing for me is that when we mm or gomg— thing for me is that when we kind of going into the kind of borer— kind of going into the kind of borer om— kind of going into the kind of borer on m— kind of going into the kind of later on in the— kind of going into the kind of later on in the pandemic, there orvvoys— later on in the pandemic, there was always calls— later on in the pandemic, there was always calls for more and more interventions. and i think at more interventions. and i think or me— more interventions. and i think or me boob— more interventions. and i think at the back end— more interventions. and i think at the back end of— more interventions. and i think at the back end of 2021, boris yobmsom— at the back end of 2021, boris yobmsom soro— at the back end of 2021, boris johnson said he— at the back end of 2021, boris johnson said he wouldn't rmrroouee— johnson said he wouldn't introduce interventions when introduce new interventions when the introduce new interventions when rue—were- introduce new interventions when rbe—vvere soymgl the sage modellers were saying mor— the sage modellers were saying me we— the sage modellers were saying that we could— the sage modellers were saying that we could get— the sage modellers were saying that we could get significant beams— that we could get significant beams-uro— that we could get significant oeorbs-oru .— that we could get significant deaths-did , and- that we could get significant deaths did , and then we deaths if we did, and then we abre— deaths if we did, and then we were able-mark— deaths if we did, and then we were able mark homework were able to mark the homework mere.— were able to mark the homework mere—wru- were able to mark the homework mere—vvbor vvel there. beth. beth and what we sou-boro— there. beth. beth and what we sou-bore vs- there. beth. beth and what we saw-93% was the- there. beth. beth and what we saw 93% was the deaths saw is that 93% was the deaths were lower than— saw is that 93% was the deaths were lower than what they were suggesbmg— were lower than what they were suggesrmg. so— were lower than what they were suggesting. so the difficulty vbem— suggesting. so the difficulty vbem you— suggesting. so the difficulty when you look— suggesting. so the difficulty when you look in retrospectively boob— when you look in retrospectively boob os— when you look in retrospectively book as ro— when you look in retrospectively back as to what— when you look in retrospectively back as to what was going to rubber,— back as to what was going to reopen, me— back as to what was going to happen, the evidence was suggesrmg— happen, the evidence was suggesrmg or— happen, the evidence was suggesting or the modelling was gube— suggesting or the modelling was gurre ereor— suggesting or the modelling was quite clear out. _ suggesting or the modelling was quite clear out. i've sat in quite clear out. so i've sat in in quite clear out. so i've sat in m mmrsrers— quite clear out. so i've sat in in ministers rooms myself for my rrme— in ministers rooms myself for my rrme os—

in ministers rooms myself for my firm as o— in ministers rooms myself for my firm as o ervrr— in ministers rooms myself for my time as a civil servant. when youre— time as a civil servant. when youre grvmg— time as a civil servant. when you're giving them advice and youre— you're giving them advice and youre rorrmg— you're giving them advice and you're talking through you're talking them through the bore. — you're talking them through the bore. -some— you're talking them through the bore. -some or— you're talking them through the data. -some of the- data. so if some of the mouerrmg— data. so if some of the modelling that was coming out mom— modelling that was coming out mom-me— modelling that was coming out mom-me very- modelling that was coming out from the very start of from sage at the very start of me— from sage at the very start of me bomuemre— from sage at the very start of the pandemic ,_ from sage at the very start of the pandemic , no— from sage at the very start of the pandemic , no doubt some the pandemic, no doubt some borrrreroms— the pandemic, no doubt some politicians saying , well, politicians were saying, well, bov— politicians were saying, well, bovv-srob— politicians were saying, well, how- stop these - politicians were saying, well, how stop these doomsday how do we stop these doomsday seemorros-brg— how do we stop these doomsday scenarios big question, the scenarios? the big question, the com— scenarios? the big question, the covrb mgurry— scenarios? the big question, the covid inquiry needs to look at for—rs— covid inquiry needs to look at for—rs bov- covid inquiry needs to look at for—is how good. covid inquiry needs to look ati for—is how good or for module two is how good or boo— for module two is how good or bag vs— for module two is how good or bag me— for module two is how good or bad was the modelling? because bobrreroms— bad was the modelling? because politicians wouldn't been politicians wouldn't have been suggesrmg— politicians wouldn't have been suggesting lockdowns as if the mouerrmg— suggesting lockdowns as if the mouerrmg rbey— suggesting lockdowns as if the modelling they were suggesting all modelling they were suggesting orr mese— modelling they were suggesting all these kind— modelling they were suggesting all these kind doomsday all these kind of doomsday scenarios weren't being bresemreu— scenarios weren't being presented to- scenarios weren't being presented to them. so that's the cursor— presented to them. so that's the cursor rbmg— presented to them. so that's the critical thing-me. _ critical thing for me. beth i eourum-r— critical thing for me. beth i couldn't-more- critical thing for me. beth i couldn't more and actually couldn't agree more and actually the couldn't agree more and actually be mouerbmg— couldn't agree more and actually the modelling unfortunately was like— the modelling unfortunately was bye—oml like, you say, was so wildly off to like, you say, was so wildly off ro rbe — like, you say, was so wildly off to the imperial— like, you say, was so wildly off to the imperial college figures , bomreurorry— to the imperial college figures , particularly at— to the imperial college figures , particularly at the beginning. yue-re— , particularly at the beginning. were just— , particularly at the beginning. were y-usr. you— , particularly at the beginning. we're just, you know,- , particularly at the beginning. we're just, you know, they said it'd be half a million dead within a matter of months, effectively. and it was nowhere near that. do see david near that. at do you see david now in your practise, the people that you're treating now, do you feel a sense of frustration that you had cancers that were missed or treatments that are now backed delayed huge backed up and delayed huge waiting lists question on waiting lists and question on the damage that was done and

whether it was really worth it . whether it was really worth it. golly and the first part of your guesrrom— golly and the first part of your guesrrom rs— a and the first part of your question is absolutely right . my question is absolutely right. my life question is absolutely right. my bre rs— question is absolutely right. my bre rs mov— question is absolutely right. my life is now full— question is absolutely right. my life is now full of— question is absolutely right. my life is now full of patients mor— life is now full of patients rbor re— life is now full of patients that are waiting huge long remgrbs— that are waiting huge long remgrbs or— that are waiting huge long lengths of time for operations mor— lengths of time for operations rbor rbey— lengths of time for operations that they presenting with cancers that _ that they presenting with cancers that are too late. and we move— cancers that are too late. and we bove o— cancers that are too late. and we have a health— cancers that are too late. and we have a health service that is boring— we have a health service that is rorrmg aberr— we have a health service that is falling apart because of the sress— falling apart because of the sress omb— falling apart because of the stress and the— falling apart because of the stress and the strain that we boo— stress and the strain that we boo ourmg— stress and the strain that we had during covid. and then the umuemumumg— had during covid. and then the underfunding and the extraordinary pressures that the bus— extraordinary pressures that the bus rs— extraordinary pressures that the bus rs mero— extraordinary pressures that the nhs is under. so— extraordinary pressures that the nhs is under. so that part is rrgbr— nhs is under. so that part is rrgbr .— nhs is under. so that part is rrgbr . bur— nhs is under. so that part is right . but really— nhs is under. so that part is right . but really there's lots right. but really there's lots of right. but really there's lots or emo— right. but really there's lots or uoro our— right. but really there's lots of data out there which does suggesr— of data out there which does suggesr mor— of data out there which does suggest that we _ of data out there which does suggest that we were doing some of suggest that we were doing some or me— suggest that we were doing some or me rrgbr— suggest that we were doing some of the right things. _ suggest that we were doing some of the right things. i mean, if you— of the right things. i mean, if you book— of the right things. i mean, if you book for— of the right things. i mean, if you look for instance at the urmeremee — you look for instance at the difference in— you look for instance at the difference in mortality between bebubbeom— difference in mortality between republican states in the usa and bemoerorre— republican states in the usa and democratic states,— republican states in the usa and democratic states, the republican _ democratic states, the republican states who've locked down— republican states who've locked down bore— republican states who've locked down late and— republican states who've locked down late and didn't really take any down late and didn't really take my mouse— down late and didn't really take my mouse or— down late and didn't really take any notice of lockdown and had very— any notice of lockdown and had very rov— any notice of lockdown and had very low vaccination rates, they bou— very low vaccination rates, they boo o— very low vaccination rates, they had a mortality— very low vaccination rates, they had a mortality rate that was soro— had a mortality rate that was sore brgber— had a mortality rate that was 30% higher and— had a mortality rate that was 30% higher and economically, rbey-ve— 30% higher and economically, rbey-ve ome— 30% higher and economically, they've come out— 30% higher and economically, they've come out of the come out of com— they've come out of the come out or covrb mueb— they've come out of the come out of covid much worse off than the bemoerorre— of covid much worse off than the democratic states. _ of covid much worse off than the democratic states. ”iii:

democratic states. i'm not sure that's i'm not sure that's strictly true. is it, jamie? i might be wrong. i see florida as a as a very successful case in which there may have been slightly higher mortality perhaps amongst the elderly from covid. but when you look now and that's what the covid inquiry is about , you've got to look at the about, you've got to look at the cost and benefits of what they're dealing with this they're dealing with in this particular point. has their economy grown? there economy grown? are there young people mental health? people suffering mental health? are backed are their hospitals are backed up are? people pay up like ours are? can people pay their mortgages because the inflation's gone through the roof? printing roof? because we were printing quantitative easing to allow people stay home? i think people to stay at home? i think it's simplistic say, it's too simplistic to say, well, at the mortality well, look at the mortality rate from window of from covid at that one window of time. well, ultimately , time. jamie well, ultimately, you-ve— time. jamie well, ultimately, you-ve gor— time. jamie well, ultimately, you-ve gor ro— time. jamie well, ultimately, you've got to look— time. jamie well, ultimately, you've got to look at- a ri; well, ultimately, you've got to look at the broader— you've got to look at the broader thing,- you've got to look at the broader thing, which is all cause mortality over a number of years— cause mortality over a number of years omb— cause mortality over a number of years one ome— cause mortality over a number of years one or— cause mortality over a number of years and one of the things that we go— years and one of the things that we do movv— years and one of the things that we do know from _ years and one of the things that we do know from the data is that sveuem— we do know from the data is that sveoem rs— we do know from the data is that sveoem rs o— we do know from the data is that sweden is a good— we do know from the data is that sweden is a good example where rbey-ve— sweden is a good example where rbey-ve gor— sweden is a good example where rbey-ve gor ome— sweden is a good example where they've got one of— sweden is a good example where they've got one of the lowest excess mortality— they've got one of the lowest excess mortality across the worm. — excess mortality across the vorru. nov.— excess mortality across the world. now, they- excess mortality across the world. brirru�* r: r: a world. now, they didn't introduce the same measures that many countries did. they did have a of what you would have a lot of what you would call voluntary, kind of people

deciding to restrict their movement and stuff. but ultimately sweden comes down. when you look at the excess deaths charts of the deaths charts as one of the lowest the world. and lowest across the world. and they measure they didn't have the measure that some countries across the world. looked you world. i haven't looked you know, countries know, there's so many countries in i haven't in different states. i haven't looked at the specific questions that dr. talking about that dr. david's talking about there but there and united states. but i think ultimately, the reckoning in of what covid in terms of what the covid inquiry to do is if inquiry really needs to do is if chris whitty is talking about the fact that this is a step, this is sort of a major step with all the kind of the societal and economic harms module two is going to be very, very interesting. i'm sure you'll this your you'll be covering this on your of quite of your morning show quite regularly. on this , because regularly. bev, on this, because ultimately to understand ultimately we need to understand what wrong during the what we did wrong during the pandemic because if something happens get happens again, we've got to get things and, things much, much better. and, and for me, you know, one of the things we haven't really got to reckoning of, you know, reckoning in terms of, you know, the is science was the big thing is the science was saying we're following the science, but ultimately, were we following the science or is it a group thing mentality that we just did? what other countries

did? we didn't think that we did? so we didn't think that we were out of we be were out of step. so we would be criticised for not doing certain measures? absolutely . measures? yeah, absolutely. well, remains to be seen well, it remains to be seen vberber— well, it remains to be seen whether-feels- well, it remains to be seen- whether-feels satisfied whether anybody feels satisfied by me — whether anybody feels satisfied by me covrb — whether anybody feels satisfied by the covid-but- by the covid inquiry, but i rbmb— by the covm inquiry, but i. think—another think we've got about another rbree—omu- think we've got about another rbree—omu or- think we've got about another. three—and at least three years to wait and at least 40,— three years to wait and at least bo-mrrbom— three years to wait and at least 40,-million of— three years to wait and at least 40, million of taxpayers 40, £40 million of taxpayers money—merel 40, £40 million of taxpayers. money—there. but money before we get there. but gemrremem— money before we get there. but gemrremem ve— money before we get there. but gentlemen, we barely scratched the gentlemen, we barely scratched rue—you- gentlemen, we barely scratched rbe—you-soi the surface. thank you both so much— much for joining me this evemmg. — much for joining me this evening. -know. much for joining me this evening. -know you evening. let me know what you rumb— evening. let me know what you rbmb—you- evening. let me know what you rbmb—you beve- evening. let me know what youi think—you have any think at home. do you have any robb— think at home. do you have any form mor— think at home. do you have any faith that the— think at home. do you have any faith that the covid inquiry is oeruorry— faith that the covid inquiry is actually _what- faith that the covid inquiry is actually _what it. actually going to do what it rmremus— actually going to do what it memos-r— actually going to do what it intends-i just- actually going to do what it intends i just feel like intends to do? i just feel like us— intends to do? i just feel like us gomg— intends to do? i just feel like us gomg-o— intends to do? i just feel like it's going-a bit- intends to do? i just feel like it's going-a bit of- intends to do? i just feel like it's going a bit of a it's going to be a bit of a whitewash,— it's going to be a bit of a whitewash,-asi it's going to be a bit of a- whitewash,-aslsaid, whitewash, actually. as i said, a whitewash, actually. as i said, oeoverm-g- whitewash, actually. as i said, a covering exercise a backside covering exercise maybe—beobrel a backside covering exercise. maybe—people who maybe for a lot of people who vveremr— maybe for a lot of people who weren't-right.- maybe for a lot of people whoi weren't-right..you weren't involved. right. so you are weren't involved. right. so you ore—bsremmg- weren't involved. right. so you are—listening to. are watching and listening to gb revs.— are watching and listening to gb uevs. commg— are watching and listening to gb uevs. commg ub— are watching and listening to gb news. coming up next, my panel vir— news. coming up next, my panel orb—ro— news. coming up next, my panel vrrr—ro mor- news. coming up next, my panel will—to that debate. will be reacting to that debate vrrb— will be reacting to that debate bub—omb- with david lloyd and statistician- with david lloyd and statistician jenkins with david lloyd and- statistician -jenkins . then statistician jamie jenkins. then it's pride week. oh, what you meme—bl mean? 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listening to gb news radio. overcome— listening to gb news radio. welcome back. _ listening to gb news radio. welcome back. this- listening to gb news radio. welcome back. this is- listening to gb news radio. welcome back. this is bev turner here for one night only while lawrence is away . now, joining lawrence is away. now, joining me in the studio for the remainder of the show is rachel watkin, eco entrepreneur and conor tomlinson, political commentator. now before we kick off some other other stories, i want to briefly get your thoughts on about the covid inquiry before we talk about the other just just about riffing, what we've been talking about then. rachel, you're a business owner. you're probably feeling these financial times these difficult financial times at the moment, are you? yes, we are. what you do and how are. tell us what you do and how it's so we were it's affecting you so we were connor and i were just talking about this earlier where when the lockdown first happened, some of the stuff we were deemed an essential business. so we kept open and some- an essential business. so we kept open and some of- r?“ so we kept open and some of the 3“ so we kept open and some of the staff ro— kept open and some of the staff came to us and— kept open and some of the staff came to us and said, it's wrong, we came to us and said, it's wrong,

ve sbouru— came to us and said, it's wrong, we should close.— came to us and said, it's wrong, we should close. and a we should close. and it's a beerogmg— we should close. and it's a packaging-eco- packaging business, eco packaging- _ packaging business, eco. packaging- -we packaging business, eco- packaging. -we sell to packaging. yeah. so we sell to food— packaging. yeah. so we sell to food companies,— packaging. / so we sell to food companies, medical eomombes— food companies, medical eomombes .— food companies, medical companies . yeah. so the staff companies. yeah. so the staff soro— companies. yeah. so the staff sore ve— companies. yeah. so the staff said we should— companies. yeah. so the staff said we should close down. it's mor— said we should close down. it's mor rrgbr.— said we should close down. it's mor rrgbr. vve— said we should close down. it's not right. we should be at home. so not right. we should be at home. so r— not right. we should be at home. so r sorg— not right. we should be at home. so r sore, bo— not right. we should be at home. so i said, so where— not right. we should be at home. so i said, so where is the money going— so i said, so where is the money gomg ro— so i said, so where is the money gomg ro ome— so i said, so where is the money going to come from? they said, rrom — going to come from? they said, rrom rbe— going to come from? they said, from the government, of course. i from the government, of course. r sorg— from the government, of course. r sore, ves— from the government, of course. r sore, res bur— from the government, of course. i said, yes, but where from and, me— i said, yes, but where from and, ome-r— i said, yes, but where from and, ome-r soro— i said, yes, but where from and, ome-r sore ro— i said, yes, but where from and, and-i said to them,- i said, yes, but where from and, and i said to them, but and when i said to them, but is— and when i said to them, but is eommg— and when i said to them, but it's coming from _ and when i said to them, but it's coming from your taxes and your— it's coming from your taxes and your omb— it's coming from your taxes and your ome-poorer- it's coming from your taxes and your and pocket and we're your and your pocket and we're going— your and your pocket and we're gomglbe— your and your pocket and we're going-be paving— your and your pocket and we're going be paying this. for going to be paying for this. for years— going to be paying for this. for yeors-orom-r— going to be paying for this. for years. didn't understand. years. they didn't understand. amo— years. they didn't understand. ame-mor— years. they didn't understand. . and -that-government and i think that the government did and i think that the government bro mor— and i think that the government did not-everybody- and i think that the government did not everybody aware of did not make everybody aware of mese— did not make everybody aware of these consequences. so in a way, you— these consequences. so in a way, you vverem-r— these consequences. so in a way, you weren't frightened for vborever— you weren't frightened for whatever reason, you didn't rumb— whatever reason, you didn't rbmb you— whatever reason, you didn't think you were— whatever reason, you didn't think you were all going to be round— think you were all going to be found dead— think you were all going to be found dead in— think you were all going to be found dead in the warehouse one boy?— found dead in the warehouse one uoye — found dead in the warehouse one uoye ure— found dead in the warehouse one uoye ube bre— found dead in the warehouse one day? like like we— found dead in the warehouse one day? like like we saw- found dead in the warehouse one day? a day? like like we saw the footage that china primed us to believe we were all going to face plant in the street. and of course, lost their course, some people lost their lives to covid 19. of course they and i mean to be they did. and i don't mean to be disrespectful people. disrespectful to those people. however, of those however, the proportion of those responses for businesses, i guess as a business owner was was incorrect . i felt i had was incorrect. i felt i had a greorer— ii i felt i had a greater responsibility motty to

the greater responsibility motty to me srom— greater responsibility motty to the staff for— greater responsibility motty to the staff for their mental beobb— the staff for their mental beobb bor— the staff for their mental health for from an economic bom— health for from an economic bomb or— health for from an economic bomb or vrevv— health for from an economic point of view to— health for from an economic point of view to stay open as opposed— point of view to stay open as opposed ro— point of view to stay open as opposed ro mor— point of view to stay open as opposed to not stay open . yeah, opposed to not stay open. yeah, we bou— opposed to not stay open. yeah, we boo o— opposed to not stay open. yeah, we boo o bor— opposed to not stay open. yeah, we had a lot of— opposed to not stay open. yeah, we had a lot of staff that were young— we had a lot of staff that were vvorrmg mom — we had a lot of staff that were working from home and the mental beobb— working from home and the mental beobb — working from home and the mental health crisis. i'm— working from home and the mental health crisis. i'm still dealing vrrb— health crisis. i'm still dealing mm b.— health crisis. i'm still dealing with it. yeah,— health crisis. i'm still dealing with it. yeah, still dealing vvrrb— with it. yeah, still dealing mm m — with it. yeah, still dealing with it. every— with it. yeah, still dealing with it. rig zrvirniri; with it. yeah, still dealing with it. orig sale with it. every parent is still deaung with it. every parent is still dealing with it. everybody is deaung dealing with it. everybody is dealing with it. everybody is dealing with it. everybody is dealing with it in some way, shape or form. and what i find sroggermg— shape or form. and what i find sroggermg m— shape or form. and what i find staggering in all— shape or form. and what i find staggering in all of— and what i find staggering in all of this is mor— staggering in all of this is me me— staggering in all of this is that the scientific research is mere— that the scientific research is mere mom — that the scientific research is there from ian— that the scientific research is there from ian robin's study in zoos— there from ian robin's study in zoos obour— there from ian robin's study in 2008 about the— there from ian robin's study in 2008 about the effect of rsororrom— 2008 about the effect of isolation and _ 2008 about the effect of isolation and the fact that vvrrbm— isolation and the fact that vrrbm os— isolation and the fact that within 48 hours people go mad. yeom— within 48 hours people go mad. ream verb— within 48 hours people go mad. yeah, well, one— within 48 hours people go mad. yeah, well, one third of the boburorrom— yeah, well, one third of the population lives— yeah, well, one third of the population lives on their own. mob-s— population lives on their own. rbor-s rrgbr.— population lives on their own. that's right. so,— population lives on their own. that's right. so, yeah , but do that's right. so, yeah, but do you— that's right. so, yeah, but do you do— that's right. so, yeah, but do you do you— that's right. so, yeah, but do you do you have— that's right. so, yeah, but do you do you have any faith that the you do you have any faith that be com— you do you have any faith that the covm inquiry— you do you have any faith that the covid inquiry under baroness robber— the covid inquiry under baroness borrerr rs— the covid inquiry under baroness borrerr rs gomg— the covid inquiry under baroness hallett is going-at- the covid inquiry under baroness hallett is going at that hallett is going to look at that sorr— hallett is going to look at that sorr or— hallett is going to look at that sort of decision?— hallett is going to look at that sort of decision? i— hallett is going to look at that sort of decision? i i would hope sort of decision? i i would hope so . amo— sort of decision? i i would hope so . ame r— sort of decision? i i would hope so . and i think— sort of decision? i i would hope so . and i think that the best so. and i think that the best mor— so. and i think that the best me we— so. and i think that the best me we oom— so. and i think that the best that we can hope for is that if we ger— that we can hope for is that if we ger m— that we can hope for is that if we ever get in that situation ogom— we ever get in that situation ogom rme— we ever get in that situation again, like black box thinking in again, like black box thinking be me— again, like black box thinking in the aircraft— again, like black box thinking in the aircraft industry , we in the aircraft industry, we mor— in the aircraft industry, we rbor vve— in the aircraft industry, we that we will— in the aircraft industry, we that we will learn from it and

mem— that we will learn from it and men-move- that we will learn from it and rbem-bove o- that we will learn from it and then-have a more. then hopefully have a more rounded— then hopefully have a more rounded view— then hopefully have a more rounded view next time . and if rounded view next time. and if mere— rounded view next time. and if rbere rs— rounded view next time. and if rbere rs o— rounded view next time. and if there is a next— rounded view next time. and if there is a next time, oh, there vir— there is a next time, oh, there our be. — there is a next time, oh, there will be. world— there is a next time, oh, there will be. : will be. world health organisation. keep telling us it's minute now don't they it's any minute now don't they connor know connor like it's, you know it's not, it's when isn't not, it's not if it's when isn't it basically do you share rachel's concerns that we just, we, we burnt the house down. yeah. and i think it's going to be a whitewash. and the reason is be a whitewash. and the reason rs m— be a whitewash. and the reason rs b you— be a whitewash. and the reason rs b you book— be a whitewash. and the reason is if you look at— be a whitewash. and the reason is if you look at the— and the reason is if you look at the narrative mor— is if you look at the narrative rbor cbrrs— is if you look at the narrative that chris whitty— is if you look at the narrative that chris whitty is trying to put— that chris whitty is trying to bur-rryrmg- that chris whitty is trying to bur—rryrmg ro- that chris whitty is trying to put trying to pass put out, he's trying to pass brome— put out, he's trying to pass brome-rbe- put out, he's trying to pass blame the politicians blame off onto the politicians mo— blame off onto the politicians ome-make— blame off onto the politicians and-make the- blame off onto the politicians and make the experts and try and make the experts boob— and try and make the experts look credible,— and try and make the experts look credible, despite burning all-credibility- look credible, despite burning all-credibility .- look credible, despite burning all credibility . dodi all of their credibility. dodi bear— all of their credibility. dodi beorlmmo— all of their credibility. dodi bear-mind this- all of their credibility. dodi bear mind this was the man bear in mind this was the man vvbo— bear in mind this was the man who-constant- who was in constant communication with anthony who was in constant— communication with anthony fauci over-us— communication with anthony fauci over-us vbo— communication with anthony fauci over-us who-his- over in the us who led his bonoemre— over in the us who led his pandemic response . anthony fauci pandemic response. anthony fauci we—rromees— pandemic response. anthony fauci we-frances collins- we know with frances collins or— we know with frances collins or me— we know with frances collins over at the national institute of over at the national institute or—sem- over at the national institutei or—semr-our over at the national institute. or—semr-our ro of health had sent emails out to bubbery— of health had sent emails out to publicly discredit— of health had sent emails out to publicly discredit in lay press ourrers— publicly discredit in lay press ourrers .— publicly discredit in lay press outlets . the— publicly discredit in lay press outlets . the authors of the outlets. the authors of the oreor— outlets. the authors of the great barrington declaration who soro— great barrington declaration who sore—oo— great barrington declaration who said _ do targeted - said we should do targeted sbreromg— said we should do targeted sbreromg .— said we should do targeted shielding . they tried to say shielding. they tried to say mese— shielding. they tried to sayi these—academics shielding. they tried to say- these_academics when shielding. they tried to say- thesewere-academics when shielding. they tried to say thesewere harvard,nics when they were from harvard, sromoro — they were from harvard, stanford, oxford . and we also stanford, oxford. and we also movv— stanford, oxford. and we also know mor— stanford, oxford. and we also know that over— stanford, oxford. and we also know that over in— stanford, oxford. and we also know that over in the uk had know that over in the uk we had sage— know that over in the uk we had sage—psychologicali sage trying to run psychological oberorroms— sage trying to run psychological oberorroms om— sage trying to run psychological operations on the— sage trying to run psychological operations on the public, so rbey-rr—

operations on the public, so they'll weaponized they'll be weaponized behavioural- they'll be weaponized behavioural to they'll be weaponized- behavioural-to make behavioural science to make beobre— behavioural science to make people terrified— behavioural science to make people terrified enough to stay at people terrified enough to stay| at_lockdowns at home despite the lockdowns not at home despite the lockdowns nor—berr- at home despite the lockdownsi not_ neil ferguson, not working. and neil ferguson, a not working. and neil ferguson, o-bos— not working. and neil ferguson, o-bos mrs— not working. and neil ferguson, a has mis modelled every a man who has mis modelled every bomoemre— a man who has mis modelled every pandemic recommended pandemic beforehand, recommended bosbdovms— pandemic beforehand, recommended roeboovms. rbe— pandemic beforehand, recommended lockdowns. the government has lockdowns. the government he has robbed— lockdowns. the government he has robbed-oesbrre— failed upwards despite consistently- failed upwards despite consistently mismanaging bonoemre— consistently mismanaging pandemic policy. and he said, verb— pandemic policy. and he said, vverb vve— pandemic policy. and he said, vverb ve svv— pandemic policy. and he said, well, we saw china did lockdowns,— well, we saw china did lockdowns, italy, lockdowns, we saw italy, roeboovm— lockdowns, we saw italy, lockdown lockdowns. lockdown did lockdowns. so we mew— lockdown did lockdowns. so we bmevv—vvrrbl lockdown did lockdowns. so wei mew—mm rr. knew we could get away with it. it knew we could get away with it. rr-mor— knew we could get away with it. rr-mor iusr— knew we could get away with it. rr-mor iusr rbe— knew we could get away with it. it not just the politicians, it was not just the politicians, it - scientists - it was not just the politicians, it - scientists .well. i it was the scientists as well. amo— it was the scientists as well. ame rbey— it was the scientists as well. and they terrified of having it was the scientists as well. and thetheir terrified of having it was the scientists as well. and thetheir face. 3d of having it was the scientists as well. and thetheir face. briru�* having egg on their face. now, obvbousby— egg on their face. now, obviously, none of people obviously, none of those people are themselves. are here to defend themselves. what i would we have to say they might that differently. but might see that differently. but what see is what i would love to see is those front those people in front of baroness in covid baroness hallett in the covid inquiry, and for her to ask her those sorts of questions is she going i think she going to do that? i i think she has the intention to. but i think considering- has the intention to. but i think considering the- " but i think considering the government beeps—measures- think considering the government keeps measures such keeps trying to do measures such as keeps trying to do measures such os-ber— keeps trying to do measures such os-ber mom — keeps trying to do measures such as-her from .lookingl as block her from even looking at as block her from even looking or-vvborsobbs— as block her from even looking at whatsapps internal at their whatsapps the internal communications— communications of pandemic bobby.— policy. at the time the government - government are terrified of bovmg— government are terrified of having the having any transparency to the bubrre—rbeyl public as to how badly they mrsmomogeo— public as to how badly they mismanaged pandemic. “43?“ mismanaged the pandemic. yeah, boomer.— mismanaged the pandemic. yeah, boomer. roobrmg— mismanaged the pandemic. yeah, rachel, looking at— mismanaged the pandemic. yeah, rachel, looking at the— mismanaged the pandemic. yeah, rachel, looking at the finances. sorry. going to sorry. go on. you were going to say something. i was chuckling to say something. i was chuckling ro-eorber— say something. i was chuckling ro-eorber or— say something. i was chuckling to-earlier at the- to myself earlier at the obsurorry— to myself earlier at the absurdity-67- to myself earlier at the absurdity 67 million people's absurdity of 67 million people's bves—

absurdity of 67 million people's rrves bemg— absurdity of 67 million people's lives being controlled on a whiteboard— lives being controlled on a whiteboard .— lives being controlled on a whiteboard . yeah. you mean you whiteboard. yeah. you mean you mean in downing— whiteboard. yeah. you mean you mean in downing street at that me — mean in downing street at that me rbrs— mean in downing street at that time? this is— mean in downing street at that time? this is the— mean in downing street at that time? " g time? this is the glimpse that we're getting, isn't it? of the absolute satire . what do we do absolute satire. what do we do vrrb— absolute satire. what do we do mm o— absolute satire. what do we do with 67 million— ”c: what do we do with 67 million people? i know. bers— with 67 million people? i know. rer-s ger— with 67 million people? i know. rer-s ger o— with 67 million people? i know. let's get a whiteboard and a whatsapp_ let's get a whiteboard and a whatsapp messages . /rir. let's get a whiteboard and a whatsapp messages . /ri.r. whatsapp messages. you know, brerouy— whatsapp messages. you know, brerouy om— whatsapp messages. you know, literally on whatsapp messages . literally on whatsapp messages. what smiling emoji what do you think smiling emoji . i mean, it makes a mockery of the idea that somehow have , the idea that we somehow have, you know, brainiacs in power you know, the brainiacs in power making these decisions on our behalf . if you realise they're behalf. if you realise they're just it . now, just sort of winging it. now, some say, well, of some people will say, well, of course were winging it. course they were winging it. they'd in pandemic they'd never been in a pandemic before. that's what before. but that's that's what frustrates because i knew frustrates me because i knew stuff knew that they stuff. you knew stuff that they clearly didn't know. but but what's clearly didn't know. but but vvbor-s evem— clearly didn't know. but but what's even more- fay r: r: " a but but what's even more staggering is if what's even more staggering is rr—rbe— what's even more staggering is rr—rbe brsrory- what's even more staggering is if_the history of. if you look at the history of vaccines and— if you look at the history of vaccines and vaccines for covid bemg— vaccines and vaccines for covid were being created— vaccines and vaccines for covid were being created in the early zooo— were being created in the early zooo. so— were being created in the early zooo. so rbey— were being created in the early 2000, so they knew it was a bossrbrrrry. — 2000, so they knew it was a possibility. and _ 2000, so they knew it was a possibility. and if you ask insurance companies, i am sure insurance companies, i am sure insurance companies had some muo— insurance companies had some mm or— insurance companies had some kind of modelling— insurance companies had some kind of modelling they can esrrmore— kind of modelling they can estimate-we're- kind of modelling they can estimate we're going to estimate when we're going to ore.— estimate when we're going to ore-sure— estimate when we're going to die.-sure that- estimate when we're going toi die.-sure that-had die. so i'm sure that they had mooerrmg— die. so i'm sure that they had modelling-what— die. so i'm sure that they had modelling what would happen modelling of what would happen in modelling of what would happen is o— modelling of what would happen

is o bomuemre. — modelling of what would happen in a pandemic. / modelling of what would happen in a pandemic. “43?“ .. in a pandemic. yeah. conor, in terms of the economy, this week and news that we've had of and the news that we've had of this interest to 5% is this interest rate up to 5% is just the 13th consecutive rise. and where we go next? get and where do we go next? get your little crystal ball out . your little crystal ball out. you're a clever lad. love you, conon you're a clever lad. love you, conor. i think you're brilliant. you're just so full conor. i think you're brilliant. yo knowledge just so full conor. i think you're brilliant. yo knowledge . just so full conor. i think you're brilliant. yo knowledge . well, so full conor. i think you're brilliant. yo knowledge . well, somebody has of knowledge. well, somebody has to well, where to love me. well, where do we go? economy go? where does the economy go next? look like, next? what does this look like, do you globally, do you think? globally, particularly? oh, think we've particularly? oh, i think we've cut particularly? oh, i think we've our-mose— particularly? oh, i think we've our-moseiro— particularly? oh, i think we've cut-nose.to spite- cut our nose off to spite our booe— cut our nose off to spite our face, particularly— cut our nose off to spite our face, particularly the face, particularly in the ubrome— face, particularly in the ukraine conflict, because we've orroveo— ukraine conflict, because we've allowed-economic. ukraine conflict, because we've allowed economic bloc allowed a parallel economic bloc to allowed a parallel economic bloc ro—bbrcs— allowed a parallel economic bloc ro—bbrcs .— allowed a parallel economic bloc to_brics , china,- to rise. that's brics, china, bussbo— to rise. that's brics, china, russo-mo- to rise. that's brics, china, russia,-and the- to rise. that's brics, china, russia, and the like. and russia, india and the like. and rbey-ve— russia, india and the like. and rbey-ve-rbe— russia, india and the like. and they've-the rare- russia, india and the like. and they've the rare earth they've got all the rare earth mmerors— they've got all the rare earth. minerals—gold, minerals they've got the gold, rbey-ve — minerals they've got the gold, they've -fossil- minerals they've got the gold, they've fossil fuels they've got the fossil fuels mor— they've got the fossil fuels rbor — they've got the fossil fuels that we're going to need have that we're going to need to have emergy— that we're going to need to have energy-so— that we're going to need to have energy-so-m- that we're going to need to have energy-so-rr you| energy security. so even if you vemr— energy security. so even if you went-renewables,- went with renewables, which oom-r—vorb- went with renewables, which oom-r—vorb byl went with renewables, whichi don't—work by the don't particularly work by the way,— don't particularly work by the boy. ro — don't particularly work by the way. o by— don't particularly work by the way. o by me— don't particularly work by the way, to try and isolate yourself from — way, to try and isolate yourself from me — way, to try and isolate yourself from the global— way, to try and isolate yourself from the global gas market, then youre— from the global gas market, then youre gomg— from the global gas market, then youre gomg move— from the global gas market, then you're going have to run to cum— you're going have to run to cum-mob.— you're going have to run to china-that. so- you're going have to run to china that. so when this china for that. so when this somber— china for that. so when this conflict—going. china for that. so when this conflict—going be conflict ends, we're going to be in conflict ends, we're going to be mreeorrou-bs— conflict ends, we're going to be in precarious position . in a very precarious position. amo— in a very precarious position. ame—or- in a very precarious position. ame—or rbe- and the orthodoxy at the rreosury.— and the orthodoxy at the treasury, they're far more focused — treasury, they're far more focussed on _ treasury, they're far more focussed on central bank digital currencies. they can surveil every— currencies. they can surveil every side— currencies. they can surveil every single interaction we do. mem— every single interaction we do. men mvmg— every single interaction we do. then fixing their— every single interaction we do. then fixing their terrible momerory— then fixing their terrible monetary policy. since the 2008

erosb— monetary policy. since the 2008 erosb-bos— monetary policy. since the 2008 crash, -has led _ monetary policy. since the 2008 crash, has led them to crash, which has led them to bum—over- crash, which has led them to print—over fist. crash, which has led them to. print—over fist and print money hand over fist and obey-re— print money hand over fist and now they're turning round and soybmg— now they're turning round and soymg. a..— now they're turning round and saying, oh, inflation is due to brree— saying, oh, inflation is due to ome-bo— saying, oh, inflation is due to price-nov-nov- saying, oh, inflation is due to price-no,-no, no,- saying, oh, inflation is due to price no, no, no, no. price rises. no, no, no, no, no. rmrorrom— price rises. no, no, no, no, no. rmrorromloue— price rises. no, no, no, no, no. inflation-due to— price rises. no, no, no, no, no. inflation due to the amount inflation is due to the amount of inflation is due to the amount or—bove- inflation is due to the amount. of_have printed, of money you guys have printed, oursrrrbbmg—or- of money you guys have printed, outstripping of goods of money you guys have printed, outstripjon] of goods of money you guys have printed, outstripjon offer. of goods of money you guys have printed, outstripjon offer. but of goods of money you guys have printed, outstripjon offer. but you»f goods of money you guys have printed, outstripjon offer. but you don'tds that are on offer. but you don't bear— that are on offer. but you don'tj hear—government hear that from the government beuse— hear that from the government because-boo- hear that from the government because-bad on- hear that from the government because bad on them. is because it looks bad on them. is mor— because it looks bad on them. is rbor umr— because it looks bad on them. is rbor vbor br— because it looks bad on them. is that what it is? _ because it looks bad on them. is that what it is? is— because it looks bad on them. is that what it is? is that why we're not hearing it the we're not hearing it from the government? is that what i genuinely think you saw genuinely think when you saw james up james cleverly stand up and talk, it was yesterday talk, i think it was yesterday or before week or the day before this week about that we have this about the fact that we have this inflation, these interest rises was because of ukraine. was was because of ukraine. and i genuinely i think does he genuinely believe he does believe that? does he just does he anything ? or is he he not know anything? or is he has he been told to say that? i think you have to trot out the party— think you have to trot out the party-we— think you have to trot out the bury-rue orb— think you have to trot out the party we all know that party line. we all know that cobmer— cabinet ministers have collective— cabinet ministers have collective responsibility and collective responsibility. and rbrs— collective responsibility. and rbrs-r— collective responsibility. and rbrs-r-os- collective responsibility. and this- i -as well, i collective responsibility. and. this-i-as well, the this is why i think as well, the roeboovm— this is why i think as well, the lockdown—have- this is why i think as well, thei lockdown—have very lockdown inquiry will have very bure— lockdown inquiry will have very bore—.— lockdown inquiry will have very rrrrre—lbrerryl little consequence. ice pretty mueb— little consequence. ice pretty much - politician - little consequence. ice pretty much politician was on much every politician was on boom— much every politician was on boom-every- much every politician was on board every single board with it, every single borrrrerom— board with it, every single| politician—party politician from every party voreo— politician from every party voted _there's| politician from every party- voted _there's maybe voted in lockstep. there's maybe a voted in lockstep. there's maybe o bommur— voted in lockstep. there's maybe a handful-mps_ voted in lockstep. there's maybe a handful-mps like- voted in lockstep. there's maybe a handful mps like miriam a handful of mps like miriam cores— a handful of mps like miriam cores mo— a handful of mps like miriam cates and chris— a handful of mps like miriam cates and chris chope that said rbrs— cates and chris chope that said rbrs mrgbr— cates and chris chope that said rbrs mrgbr-be— cates and chris chope that said this might-be the- cates and chris chope that said this might be the best idea, this might not be the best idea, guys-— this might not be the best idea, guys-rbey— this might not be the best idea, guyslrbey com-r— this might not be the best idea, guys. they can't each guys. so they can't hit each orber— guys. so they can't hit each other—don't- guys. so they can't hit each| other—don't want other on it. they don't want rromsboremy— other on it. they don't want transparency because if one goes down.—

transparency because if one goes doom-orb— transparency because if one goes oovm-orr move— transparency because if one goes down,-all have to- transparency because if one goes down, all have to down down, they all have to go down by me— down, they all have to go down by the-standard. - down, they all have to go down by the standard. “i by the same standard. rachel, vou— by the same standard. rachel, you-i— by the same standard. rachel, youlr soy.— by the same standard. rachel, youlr soy. yuve— by the same standard. rachel, you i say, you've your you as i say, you've got your business. managing business. you're still managing now, as hard now, presumably. is it as hard as known it run as you've ever known it to run a business with the costs? so what i found staggering— business with the costs? so what i found staggering was- i“ so what i found staggering was yesterday mommg— i found staggering was yesterday mommg-rbe— i found staggering was yesterday morning the politicians morning when the politicians soymg— morning when the politicians were saying it's— morning when the politicians were saying it's a surprise obour— were saying it's a surprise obour rbe— were saying it's a surprise about the inflation still being at about the inflation still being or so.— about the inflation still being or so. me— about the inflation still being at 8.4. and i'm— about the inflation still being at 8.4. and i'm sitting there ebuebbmg— at 8.4. and i'm sitting there ebuebbmg ro— at 8.4. and i'm sitting there chuckling to myself, going , yes, chuckling to myself, going, yes, but chuckling to myself, going, yes, bur mors— chuckling to myself, going, yes, but that's because— chuckling to myself, going, yes, but that's because you forced a oer/o— but that's because you forced a servo boy— but that's because you forced a oer/o boy se— but that's because you forced a oer/o boy om— but that's because you forced a 9.6% pay rise on the minimum wage— 9.6% pay rise on the minimum wage .— 9.6% pay rise on the minimum wage . vvbreb— 9.6% pay rise on the minimum wage , which then— 9.6% pay rise on the minimum wage , which then has to go up wage, which then has to go up rbrougb— wage, which then has to go up rbrougb rbe— wage, which then has to go up through the ranks— wage, which then has to go up through the ranks because orbervvrse— through the ranks because otherwise the _ through the ranks because otherwise the gaps aren't enough berveem— otherwise the gaps aren't enough berveem rbe— otherwise the gaps aren't enough between the levels— otherwise the gaps aren't enough between the levels of management . at between the levels of management . or so— between the levels of management . or so bov— between the levels of management . or so bov rs— between the levels of management . at so how is that— between the levels of management . at so how is that not going to rebo— . at so how is that not going to read ro— . at so how is that not going to lead to inflation— . at so how is that not going to lead to inflation and how is mor— lead to inflation and how is me mor— lead to inflation and how is that not going— lead to inflation and how is that not going to end up putting all that not going to end up putting on or— that not going to end up putting on or me— that not going to end up putting all of the pressure— that not going to end up putting all of the pressure on the small busmessese— all of the pressure on the small businesses? what— all of the pressure on the small businesses? what do you need rbem — businesses? what do you need rbem ro— businesses? what do you need rbem o oo— businesses? what do you need them to do now? _ businesses? what do you need them to do now? : them to do now? i need them to our council tax bill on our on our council tax bill on our on our premises has gone up by 56. wow . where's that in the wow. where's that in the country? where abouts? sussex okay. 56. so i need the government— okay. 56. so i need the government to. - 56. so i need the government to. to take a much vvroer— government to. to take a much

wider perspective _ government to. to take a much wider perspective for smaller busmess— wider perspective for smaller business and— wider perspective for smaller business and give them the aid mor— business and give them the aid rbor rbey— business and give them the aid that they need.— business and give them the aid that they need. what about somerbmg— that they need. what about something like— that they need. what about something like what else would bebo— something like what else would berb you— something like what else would help you because— something like what else would help you because i'm thinking something like what else would helthebu because i'm thinking something like what else would helthe hospitality i'm thinking something like what else would helthe hospitality industryling for the hospitality industry bomreurorry.— for the hospitality industry particularly, i— for the hospitality industry particularly, i feel my heart breaks— particularly, i feel my heart breaks for— particularly, i feel my heart breaks for pub— particularly, i feel my heart breaks for pub landlords, restaurateurs, _ breaks for pub landlords, restaurateurs, chefs at the omer — restaurateurs, chefs at the omer r— restaurateurs, chefs at the moment. ithink- restaurateurs, chefs at the moment. i think that is the industry that we're going to see collapse in the next six months. vat corporation you know vat corporation tax. do you know what small what would help small businesses? government is serving— businesses? government is sberrumglsmorr- , government is spending small businesses spending on small businesses rorber— spending on small businesses rorber mom— spending on small businesses rather than tenders going to rather than the tenders going to the-corporations- rather than the tenders going to the corporations where the large corporations where mere— the large corporations where mere-even— the large corporations where mere-even o— the large corporations where there even a proper there isn't even a proper remeermg— there isn't even a proper tendering process ? how much do tendering process? how much do rbey— tendering process? how much do rbey sbemo— tendering process? how much do rbey sbemu om— tendering process? how much do they spend on the— tendering process? how much do they spend on the boats for rmmrgroms— they spend on the boats for immigrants ?_ they spend on the boats for immigrants ? yes. yeah. there was immigrants? yes. yeah. there was no remeermg— immigrants? yes. yeah. there was no tendering process. if some of mor— no tendering process. if some of me money— no tendering process. if some of me money vs— no tendering process. if some of that money was spent and given bobby— that money was spent and given rorrry ro— that money was spent and given fairly to small— that money was spent and given fairly to small businesses . that money was spent and given fairly to small businesses. huge ormeremee. — fairly to small businesses. huge difference. but— fairly to small businesses. huge difference. but that's the plan rbougb.— difference. but that's the plan though, innit? _ difference. but that's the plan though, innit? a though, innit? conor isn't that the plan ? just bankrupt the the plan? just bankrupt the small businesses so that the corporations we have top , top corporations we have top, top down of financial system. down kind of financial system. well yeah, that's why they ereoer— well yeah, that's why they create preferential legislation arouse— create preferential legislation around-.— create preferential legislation oroumo-. r— create preferential legislation around . i remember dawn around them. i remember dawn burrer— around them. i remember dawn burrer so— around them. i remember dawn butler so she's— around them. i remember dawn butler so she's going to obvrousry— butler so she's going to obviously have a large role in me— obviously have a large role in the incumbent— obviously have a large role in the incumbent labour government so mor— the incumbent labour government so mar-need— the incumbent labour government so mob-need o— the incumbent labour government so that need a career

so that we need a career eseororor— so that we need a career escalator rather a career escalator rather than a career bomber— escalator rather than a career ladder-selected- escalator rather than a career ladder selected preferential ladder for selected preferential classes. -word - ladder for selected preferential classes. -word for- ladder for selected preferential classes. word for word classes. that's word for word rbe— classes. that's word for word me so — classes. that's word for word the esg framework that we were sbeobmg — speaking about before environmental speaking about before - environmental-governance environmental social governance seoreslrbor-s— environmental social governance scoresithat's -what - scores. that's that's what all me— scores. that's that's what all rbe-beoge— scores. that's that's what all the-hedge-are- scores. that's that's what all- the-hedge-are throwing the big hedge funds are throwing srusb—rbe— the big hedge funds are throwing srusb—rbe brg- slush money all the big corporations— slush money all the big corporations are. and what they vom— corporations are. and what they vom rs— corporations are. and what they vom rs rbe— corporations are. and what they want is the -to - corporations are. and what they want is the -to be- corporations are. and what they want is the to be in want is the market to be in boobsreb— want is the market to be in lockstep.ideas- want is the market to be in lockstep ideas they want to lockstep on ideas they want to rbey— lockstep on ideas they want to rbey vom— lockstep on ideas they want to rbey vom ro — lockstep on ideas they want to they want to pick— lockstep on ideas they want to they want to pick and play rovourrres— they want to pick and play favourites with _ they want to pick and play favourites with best mates favourites with their best mates and favourites with their best mates ome—move- favourites with their best mates ome—move mo- favourites with their best mates and have no option and so that you have no option bur—sereer- but to buy from this select group— but to buy from this select group or— but to buy from this select group of people . o" but to buy from this select- group of people . oh, truth bombs group of people. oh, truth bombs left, right and centre. thank you both so much. we're going to take a quick break now. you may have noticed that you can't walk into supermarket. into a supermarket. estate agents charity agents, bookies, charity shop wherever a train wherever you go, catch a train or anywhere. frankly, without or go anywhere. frankly, without pride being advertised. it's like easter, valentine's day. but do we still need to support it? we'll find out in just a moment

dying, not just in britain but around the world. whatever you do . that music doesn't really go do. that music doesn't really go with my flowery dress, does it? now i am bev turner in for

rouremee rov— now i am bev turner in for laurence fox tonight. you've be gerrmg— laurence fox tonight. you've be gerrmg m— laurence fox tonight. you've be getting in touch— laurence fox tonight. you've be getting in touch with your rbougbrs. — getting in touch with your thoughts. thank you. and peter says—agree- says, bev, i don't agree with everyrbmg—ml says, bev, i don't agree withi everything—in the everything you've said in the bosr. — everything you've said in the bosr. -rrgbr.- everything you've said in the past. right, peter. past. that's all right, peter. mob-s— past. that's all right, peter. mobs-rm— past. that's all right, peter. that's-i'm here,- past. that's all right, peter. that's i'm here, because that's why i'm here, because i rove— that's why i'm here, because i rove rbrs— that's why i'm here, because i love this channel— that's why i'm here, because i love this channel for that. but bmbgbb—rb- tonight, you nailed it. brilliant.— brilliant. thank you. the brobrem— brilliant. thank you. the problem guess brilliant. thank you. the- problem .guess-covid problem is, i guess the covid mgurry— problem is, i guess the covid inquiry-address- problem is, i guess the covid inquiry address any of inquiry will not address any of your—you- inquiry will not address any of- your—you ebose your comments unless you expose rbem. — your comments unless you expose rbem. -ub— your comments unless you expose rbem. -ub-gooo- your comments unless you expose them. -up-good work.- them. keep up the good work. i try. them. keep up the good work. i my. srebbem— them. keep up the good work. i my. srebbers bos— them. keep up the good work. i try. stephen has said this is obour— try. stephen has said this is obour our— try. stephen has said this is about our next— try. stephen has said this is about our next conversation , about our next conversation, vvbreb— about our next conversation, which actually— about our next conversation, which actually tees it up meery. — which actually tees it up nicely. being— which actually tees it up nicely. being gay is about not obour— nicely. being gay is about not wear, about about where you put your— wear, about about where you put your brrvore — wear, about about where you put your brrvore burrs.— wear, about about where you put your private parts. why are you reouemg— your private parts. why are you reouemglro— your private parts. why are you reouemglro ro— your private parts. why are you reducinglto to us,— your private parts. why are you reducing to to us, sex. you reducing it to to us, sex. you soro— reducing it to to us, sex. you sore rr-s— reducing it to to us, sex. you said it's primarily about orient barom— said it's primarily about orient borrom mor— said it's primarily about orient nation, not sex.— said it's primarily about orient nation, not sex. the freedom to be you. — nation, not sex. the freedom to be you. me— nation, not sex. the freedom to be you. the freedom to love freedom— be you. the freedom to love freedom from _ be you. the freedom to love freedom from prejudice and discrimination.— freedom from prejudice and discrimination. i am gay, but if i.put_ discrimination. i am gay, but if r-bur m— discrimination. i am gay, but if r-bur m-or- discrimination. i am gay, but if i-put in-of pride. i was put in charge of pride i vvouro— i was put in charge of pride i would emphasise that the above byrv— would emphasise that the above kyiv interesting.— would emphasise that the above kyiv interesting. let's start our conversation then about brroe— our conversation then about brroe om— our conversation then about probe or mor- — our conversation then about pride on that. conor. i'll come to pride on that. conor. i'll come ro you. — pride on that. conor. i'll come ro you. me— pride on that. conor. i'll come to you. the first— pride on that. conor. i'll come to you. the first pride 1972 in me— to you. the first pride 1972 in me m— to you. the first pride 1972 in me be me— to you. the first pride 1972 in the in the uk— to you. the first pride 1972 in the in the uk do— to you. the first pride 1972 in the in the uk do we still need it the in the uk do we still need rr mov— the in the uk do we still need rr for— the in the uk do we still need it now for what— the in the uk do we still need it now for what reason is my guesrrom— it now for what reason is my guesrrors — it now for what reason is my question now? briru�* it now for what reason is my question now? my...» it now for what reason is my question now? briru�* i ir�* question now? now i my objection to pride is with the lgbtq+ acronym that ever seems to

expand . they put all these expand. they put all these identities under one umbrella. this is why the lgb alliance have tried to break away from the tk, which is a gender identity from sexuality. this is something that the viewer just said they're for gay people. it's a private matter, right? yeah i'm not politically interested in hearing about it, but if you're not hurting anyone, quote unquote, whatever, i can't do anything about that. the tk+ the idea that one gender identity can change your biological sex by thought is a faulty premise . and all of the faulty premise. and all of the medical established that all of the activist networks that push trans surgery, trans affirmation hormones and that as the way of addressing gender dysphoria is doing a grave disservice to people that are suffering from that. people i've spoken to and have befriended. you look at the studies, they funded by the studies, they are funded by the companies decide to produce companies that decide to produce the drugs that they're on the drugs, drugs that they're on for life, but doesn't it but doesn't the trans having the trans community, i don't really like that word. but, you know,

the like that word. but, you know, me meo— like that word. but, you know, me be or— like that word. but, you know, the idea of trans— e : but, you know, the idea of trans people being mmgreo— the idea of trans people being mmgreo m— the idea of trans people being mingled in with— the idea of trans people being mingled in with gay people , i mingled in with gay people, i eon-r— mingled in with gay people, i don't whether— mingled in with gay people, i don't whether you're a lesbian, brsevuob— don't whether you're a lesbian, brsevuor. guy.— don't whether you're a lesbian, bisexual, gay, like— don't whether you're a lesbian, bisexual, gay, like you say, i eon-r— bisexual, gay, like you say, i oom-r mme— bisexual, gay, like you say, i don't mind whatever that's mob-s— don't mind whatever that's rbor-s borr— don't mind whatever that's rbor-s burr or— don't mind whatever that's that's part of the problem with bree— that's part of the problem with brroe. rsb-r— that's part of the problem with pride, isn't it?— that's part of the problem with pride, isn't it? that's why it gers— pride, isn't it? that's why it gers mme— pride, isn't it? that's why it gers one or— pride, isn't it? that's why it gets kind of mixed up in what beobre— gets kind of mixed up in what beobre see— gets kind of mixed up in what beobre os— gets kind of mixed up in what people see as being slightly sorr— people see as being slightly sorr or— people see as being slightly more sort of pernicious ideology . bomreurorry— more sort of pernicious ideology , particularly around children , , particularly around children, beuse— , particularly around children, because as our— , particularly around children, because as our lovely messenger mere— because as our lovely messenger rbere soro— because as our lovely messenger there said, this— because as our lovely messenger there said, this is— because as our lovely messenger there said, this is supposed to be obour— there said, this is supposed to be about celebration. it's about freedom.— be about celebration. it's about freedom. whereas— be about celebration. it's about freedom. whereas actually trans memory— freedom. whereas actually trans identity could _ freedom. whereas actually trans identity could much more easily be rooreo— identity could much more easily be rooreo m— identity could much more easily be rooted in something that is or— be rooted in something that is of o— be rooted in something that is more of a mental— be rooted in something that is more of a mental health problem . rbe— more of a mental health problem . bre. soy.— more of a mental health problem . bre. soy. o— more of a mental health problem , like, say, a gender— more of a mental health problem , like, say, a gender dysphoria brobrem. — , like, say, a gender dysphoria problem. yeah,— , like, say, a gender dysphoria problem. / , like, say, a gender dysphoria problem. “43?" �*" problem. yeah, well, as well, if you're attracted to the same sex and you can say you can change your gender just by thinking about to self about it, they seem to self contradict mind. the contradict in my mind. the unfortunate is as well unfortunate thing is as well kink been encompassed kink has now been encompassed into keep into pride because they keep expanding acronym and so in expanding the acronym. and so in order to be liberated, in order to be in to order not to be free, in to order not oppress anyone, we have to tolerate people doing sordid things middle the things in the middle of the street people have brought

street where people have brought their to their children along to feel inclusive . kyiv that doesn't inclusive. kyiv that doesn't create wholesome create a very wholesome civilisation so it's civilisation either. and so it's no particularly no wonder that particularly in america, rates of same sex america, the rates of same sex marriage or same sex partnership acceptance fallen by about acceptance has fallen by about 7% the last year because 7% in the last year because people seeing these videos people were seeing these videos routinely of whether it's drag queen pride queen story hour or pride parades that's parades and gone well, that's just no thank you. just disgusting. no thank you. you shouldn't be walking around at middle at a dog costume in the middle of day. so. so other of the day. so. so in other worse— of the day. so. so in other vvorso vvbor— of the day. so. so in other words, what you're- rivi so. so in other words, what you're saying is mere-s— words, what you're saying is there's-people- words, what you're saying is there's people are there's kind of people are gerrmg— there's kind of people are- gerrmg—bormg there's kind of people are- gett people—hating there's kind of people are- gettpeople in-hating there's kind of people are- gettpeople in a-hating there's kind of people are gettpeople in a way hating there's kind of people are gettpeople in a way thatiating there's kind of people are gett people in a way that they] gay people in a way that they bovem-r— gay people in a way that they haven't done— gay people in a way that they haven't done before because a lot haven't done before because a or or— haven't done before because a or or me— haven't done before because a lot of the material, rachel , lot of the material, rachel, arouse— lot of the material, rachel, around this— lot of the material, rachel, around this celebration now is merry— around this celebration now is brerry ereme— around this celebration now is pretty extreme in— around this celebration now is pretty extreme in terms of your seur— pretty extreme in terms of your sexual palette— pretty extreme in terms of your sexual palette ,_ pretty extreme in terms of your sexual palette , not your sexual palette, not your bersomor— sexual palette, not your personal sexual palette . we've personal sexual palette. we've omry— personal sexual palette. we've omy iusr— personal sexual palette. we've omy iusr mer— personal sexual palette. we've omy iusr mer. r— personal sexual palette. we've only just met. i mean, that your— only just met. i mean, that your be— only just met. i mean, that vouro be o— only just met. i mean, that would be a terrible specular moron.— would be a terrible specular morrom. bur— would be a terrible specular notion. but i— would be a terrible specular notion. but i guess what kind of bom— notion. but i guess what kind of bomb rs— notion. but i guess what kind of bomb rs. you— notion. but i guess what kind of point is, you know— notion. but i guess what kind of point is, you know ,_ notion. but i guess what kind of point is, you know , do we need point is, you know, do we need it point is, you know, do we need rr-e— point is, you know, do we need rr-e bo— point is, you know, do we need rr-e so r— point is, you know, do we need rr-e so r om— point is, you know, do we need it ? so i am probably from it simply? so i am probably from a it simply? so i am probably from o mom— it simply? so i am probably from o from o— it simply? so i am probably from orrom o very— it simply? so i am probably from a from a very different standpoint. - a from a very different standpoint. 'r: a from a very different standpoint. r: a from a very different- standpoint. and that's because my stepfather transitioned in 1972. wow a very he was ahead of

the curve . he was ahead of the the curve. he was ahead of the curve and had he probably been able to be himself, he would probably have come out as gay rather than going to the length of transitioning , which back of transitioning, which back then. okay just just was no . then. okay just just was no. very rare. yeah. and as part of the result of that, we were taken into care because it was deemed by social services that being with a transition parent was , was just just no . and so, was, was just just no. and so, so from the point of view of raising awareness and allowing people to be themselves in whatever capacity, i think it's great that people should be allowed to be themselves and from a commercial point of view, being a small business owner, if people want to buy the merchandise, then let's let's let them because at least it stimulates the economy in some way. do have lots of eco way. so do you have lots of eco memory.— way. so do you have lots of eco friendly,-rainbow- so do you have lots of eco friendly, rainbow boxes? friendly, stripey rainbow boxes? is friendly, stripey rainbow boxes? rs-vvbor— friendly, stripey rainbow boxes? rs-vvbor youre— friendly, stripey rainbow boxes? is what you're saying ? i'm is that what you're saying? i'm mrssmg— is that what you're saying? i'm mrssmg b.— is that what you're saying? i'm mrssmg rr. — is that what you're saying? i'm mrssmg rr. rm— is that what you're saying? i'm missing it. g gir: is that what you're saying? i'm missing it. g girzr " missing it. i'm missing a gap in the you really are, the market. you really are, beuse— the market. you really are,-

because—cashing because everyone else is cashing in because everyone else is cashing meveome—ry- because everyone else is cashing meveome—ry amo- in on it. yeah, everyone. and i rbmb— in on it. yeah, everyone. and i rbmb-bom— in on it. yeah, everyone. and i rbmb-bom or— in on it. yeah, everyone. and i think-part of the- think that's part of the brobrem.— think that's part of the problem, isn't it? that some gay beobre— problem, isn't it? that some gay beobre-soymg.— problem, isn't it? that some gay people saying, well, hang people are saying, well, hang on, people are saying, well, hang rrrs— people are saying, well, hang rrrs rosr— people are saying, well, hang on, it's lost its— people are saying, well, hang on, it's lost its true meaning. rrrs— on, it's lost its true meaning. it's-christmas,- on, it's lost its true meaning. it's christmas, lost it's like christmas, it's lost its it's like christmas, it's lost rrs—rrrsl it's like christmas, it's lost. rrs—rrrs iusr its true meaning now it's just all its true meaning now it's just orb-sum— its true meaning now it's just orb-srum you- its true meaning now it's just all-stuff you can. its true meaning now it's just all stuff you can buy all about the stuff you can buy every.— all about the stuff you can buy every. r— all about the stuff you can buy every. r mem— all about the stuff you can buy every. r r— all about the stuff you can buy every. i mean, i down the every. i mean, i walk down the srreer—my- every. i mean, i walk down the srreer—my ro- every. i mean, i walk down the street—my 12 year. every. i mean, i walk down thei street—my 12 year old street today with my 12 year old in twickenham _ street today with my 12 year old in twickenham and we walk down every— in twickenham and we walk down every srore— in twickenham and we walk down every srore ogemr— in twickenham and we walk down every state agent window. i mean, even all— every state agent window. i mean, even all the zebra rossmsg — mean, even all the zebra crossings. now,- mean, even all the zebra crossings. now, like who's sromomg— crossings. now, like who's srmumg ub— crossings. now, like who's standing up the zebras? like standing up for the zebras? like everyrbmg— standing up for the zebras? like everyrbmg-omo- standing up for the zebras? like everything-and i- standing up for the zebras? like everything and i sort everything is stripey and i sort of sore— everything is stripey and i sort of sore ro— everything is stripey and i sort of said to her,— everything is stripey and i sort of said to her, i— everything is stripey and i sort of said to her, i said, all i can see is rainbows everywhere. amo— can see is rainbows everywhere. ame sme— can see is rainbows everywhere. ame sbe soro— can see is rainbows everywhere. and she said, mommy, have and she said, mommy, you have to. and she said, mommy, you have ro-veeb— and she said, mommy, you have ro-veeb movv- and she said, mommy, you have ro-veeb .- and she said, mommy, you have ro-veeb . r- and she said, mommy, you have to. week now . i don't to. it's pride week now. i don't movv— to. it's pride week now. i don't know bov— to. it's pride week now. i don't know bov ro— to. it's pride week now. i don't know how to have— to. it's pride week now. i don't know how to have that conversation - know how to have that conversation with her because sbe — conversation with her because sbe ooesmrr— conversation with her because she doesn't - and - conversation with her because she doesn't and friends she doesn't her and her friends rbmb— she doesn't her and her friends mm is— she doesn't her and her friends think it's completely normal to be-vvby— think it's completely normal to be-vvby ruby— think it's completely normal to be-vvby ruby oo— think it's completely normal to be why why do they why do be gay. why why do they why do we be gay. why why do they why do ve—ro— be gay. why why do they why do ve—ro make- be gay. why why do they why do we_to make them. we feel the need to make them eerebroree— we feel the need to make them celebrate?-are?- we feel the need to make themi celebrate?-are?-are. celebrate? what we are? we are. we celebrate? what we are? we are. rue-mov— celebrate? what we are? we are. rue-mow rs— celebrate? what we are? we are. rue-mow rs o— celebrate? what we are? we are. we know is a natural state we now know is a natural state of we now know is a natural state or bemg— we now know is a natural state or bemg .— we now know is a natural state or bemg . bo— we now know is a natural state or bemg . bo you— we now know is a natural state of being . do you see what of being. do you see what i meme— of being. do you see what i rrrs— of being. do you see what i mean? it's like.— of being. do you see what i mean? it's like. like me celebrating— mean? it's like. like me celebrating being tall. i can't do omyrbmg— celebrating being tall. i can't do anything about it. it's just vbo—rberers- do anything about it. it's just vbo—rberers. i do anything about it. it's justi who—there's. this who i am. well, there's. this is mere— who i am. well, there's. this is vbere-sevuor— who i am. well, there's. this is where sexual component where the sexual component comes in, why they've in, and this is why they've attached kink all these attached kink and all these sorts in because sorts of things in is because there not gay there are people who are not gay people things behind people doing things behind closed ashamed closed doors. they are ashamed about.

closed doors. they are ashamed about . so attach about. and so they attach themselves pride themselves onto the pride movement. and so they decide say, you celebrate me say, okay, you must celebrate me to me feel better about to make me feel better about myself. make this the myself. you must make this the new standard to quiet my conscience. so we are conscience. and so we are commanded clap these commanded to clap for these people feel inclusive and people and feel inclusive and have standards have absolutely no standards about what goes public. about what goes on in public. and on your point about, about what goes on in public. and everywhere' point about, about what goes on in public. and everywhere isoint about, about what goes on in public. and everywhere is doingiout, about what goes on in public. and everywhere is doing this, well, everywhere is doing this, everywhere celebrating the everywhere is celebrating the liturgical of liturgical calendar of the rainbow , going back to rainbow nowadays, going back to the esg point, people that aren't familiar the aren't familiar with the corporate index, a corporate equality index, it's a scorecard human scorecard system by the human rights , the biggest rights campaign, the biggest lgbtq lobbying group in lgbtq lmnop lobbying group in the world. they've got about 400 corporations loads of corporations on it, loads of hedge funds, vanguard, state street, blackrock . george soros street, blackrock. george soros has of firms on has won a bunch of law firms on it, give you it, and they give you a scorecard system you are scorecard system and you are meant appoint lgbt board meant to appoint lgbt board members. you're meant to pay for your you're your staff's transition. you're meant people in meant to include gay people in your which every your adverts, which is why every single advert has a gay person. if that, you get money. if you do that, you get money. if you do that, you get money. if don't that, if you if you don't do that, if you fail of things, you're fail one of those things, you're deducted points and you don't get subsidies. has get the subsidies. stonewall has the same thing the even the same thing in the uk, even like has up in like tesco has signed up to in there. there's a lot of money in

this and why large this and that's why every large corporation on to it, corporation is signing on to it, even puts customers even if it puts off customers like or target, like with budweiser or target, then out. then you're missing out. rachel, your esg gay rachel, how is your esg gay ooyoor— rachel, how is your esg gay ooyoor mmge— rachel, how is your esg gay gaydar thing? how many boxes mve— gaydar thing? how many boxes move—verb.- gaydar thing? how many boxesi have _well, clearly have you ticked? well, clearly none. have you ticked? well, clearly none . by not having the none. by not having the merchandise clearly. but i have to say that as far as an inclusive inclusivity and awareness point of view , awareness point of view, hopefully pride does some good in that aspect. and i'm not talking about whether it's lesbian or gay or whatever i'm talking about inclusivity on a bigger scale , you know, gender bigger scale, you know, gender bias, unconscious bias. and i think it does that, though. or doesitisit think it does that, though. or does it is it not just purely obour— does it is it not just purely about lgbt?— does it is it not just purely about lgbt? et— does it is it not just purely about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . m— about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . be my— about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . be my omb— about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera .m my bmb r— about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . in my pink, i don't— about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . in my pink, i don't feel as a r— . in my pink, i don't feel as a woman, i don't— . in my pink, i don't feel as a woman, i don't feel like pride rebresemrs— woman, i don't feel like pride rebresems my— woman, i don't feel like pride represents my bid for financial gemoer— represents my bid for financial gember eguorrry— represents my bid for financial gender equality .— represents my bid for financial gender equality . it doesn't gender equality. it doesn't rebresemr— gender equality. it doesn't represent me— gender equality. it doesn't represent me in my pink , fluffy represent me in my pink, fluffy vorro. — represent me in my pink, fluffy vorro. r— represent me in my pink, fluffy vorro. r bre— represent me in my pink, fluffy world. i like to— represent me in my pink, fluffy world. i like to think- represent me in my pink, fluffy world. e a represent me in my pink, fluffy world. e world. i like to think it just broadens people's horizons generally . and. and does it generally. and. and does it encourage alternative thinking, which we really need after

covid? okay, that's interesting . so— covid? okay, that's interesting . so umr— covid? okay, that's interesting . so what you're— co z�*r?’ okay, that's interesting . so what you're saying is so for— . so what you're saying is so for you.— . so what you're saying is so for you. brrue— . so what you're saying is so for you, pride is— . so what you're saying is so for you, pride is about it. open your— for you, pride is about it. open your mme— for you, pride is about it. open your mmo .— for you, pride is about it. open your mind . yeah.— for you, pride is about it. open your mind . yeah. be don't just your mind. yeah. be don't just oomrr— your mind. yeah. be don't just oomrr iusr— your mind. yeah. be don't just don't just follow— your mind. yeah. be don't just don't just follow the let's say a...— don't just follow the let's say me. me — don't just follow the let's say the, the norm— don't just follow the let's say the, the norm the— don't just follow the let's say the, the norm the overriding beuse— the, the norm the overriding beuse rbe— the, the norm the overriding because the vast— the, the norm the overriding because the vast majority of beobre— because the vast majority of beobre mere-s— because the vast majority of people there's still only a eoubre— people there's still only a eoubre or— people there's still only a couple of years- people there's still only a couple of years ago the latest srors— couple of years ago the latest srors mere-s— couple of years ago the latest stats there's only— couple of years ago the latest stats there's only 3% of people eomsroer— stats there's only 3% of people consider themselves to be gay vbo— consider themselves to be gay vbo roemrry— consider themselves to be gay who identify as— consider themselves to be gay who identify as gay. that's surr— who identify as gay. that's srrrr o— who identify as gay. that's srrrr o rbe— who identify as gay. that's still a tie it's— who identify as gay. that's still a tie it's a— who identify as gay. that's still a tie it's a tiny number of still a tie it's a tiny number or beobre— still a tie it's a tiny number or beobre grvem— still a tie it's a tiny number of people given how much time we spend— of people given how much time we spend rorbmg— of people given how much time we spend talking about— of people given how much time we spend talking about it and roobrmg— spend talking about it and roobrmg or— spend talking about it and looking at this— spend talking about it and looking at this issue , isn't it? looking at this issue, isn't it? rem.— looking at this issue, isn't it? rem. bur— looking at this issue, isn't it? yeah, but again,— looking at this issue, isn't it? yeah, but again, this- looking at this issue, isn't it? yeah, but again, this comes down to, okay, if someone feels insecure about something, if their sexual proclivity, they become very, very vocal become a very, very vocal minority . and can't separate minority. and we can't separate the fact that the tk+ brigade does have a social contagion element to it. that is why it is being pushed in schools. that's why it's trying to raise a consciousness in children and in order to support pride. if you're supporting that acronym, you're supporting that acronym, you are supporting a regime which says, yeah, you know what? if people feel insecure about their bodies, we've got to sterilise surgically

their bodies, we've got to sterilise them. surgically their bodies, we've got to sterilise them. it'ssurgically their bodies, we've got to sterilise them. it'sjust cally their bodies, we've got to sterilise them. it'sjust evil, i mutilate them. it's just evil, i think. yeah, okay. right. both of you.— think. yeah, okay. right. both of you. mamb— think. yeah, okay. right. both of you, thank you _ think. yeah, okay. right. both of you, thank you so- yeah, okay. right. both of you, thank you so much. brgbr. — of you, thank you so much. mgbr. vvere— of you, thank you so much. right. we're going to do a bore— right. we're going to do a little conversation when we come boob— little conversation when we come boob mer— little conversation when we come boob orrer rbe— little conversation when we come back after the break about what rrmee— back after the break about what rrmee marry— back after the break about what prince harry and— back after the break about what prince harry and his his ombrrrom— prince harry and his his ambition to— prince harry and his his ambition to create world peace. if ambition to create world peace. rr you— ambition to create world peace. b you oomrr— ambition to create world peace. if you don't know— ambition to create world peace. if you don't know what he's brommg— if you don't know what he's brommg .— if you don't know what he's brommg . you— if you don't know what he's planning, you need stick around for planning, you need stick around ror rubs.— planning, you need stick around for rbrs. rrrs— planning, you need stick around for this. it's hilarious .

welcome back. thank you for joining— welcome back. thank you for joining me— welcome back. thank you for joining me om— welcome back. thank you for joining me on this beautiful rrrooy— joining me on this beautiful rrruoy room.— joining me on this beautiful rrruoy mgbr. r— joining me on this beautiful friday night. i am bev turner. rm— friday night. i am bev turner. rrm mormorry— friday night. i am bev turner. i'm normally on— friday night. i am bev turner. i'm normally on gb news monday to i'm normally on gb news monday ro rbursooy— i'm normally on gb news monday to thursday, 930— i'm normally on gb news monday to thursday, 930 in— i'm normally on gb news monday to thursday, 930 in the morning. we boo— to thursday, 930 in the morning. we boo rbrs— to thursday, 930 in the morning. we had this message from maggie on me— we had this message from maggie on me boob— we had this message from maggie on me book or— we had this message from maggie on the back of our— we had this message from maggie on the back of our pride debate. sme— on the back of our pride debate. sbe soro— on the back of our pride debate. sbe sore r— on the back of our pride debate. she said i recently— on the back of our pride debate. she said i recently read a reference to _ she said i recently read a reference to pride season on the beers— reference to pride season on the rerrers boge— reference to pride season on the rerrers page or— reference to pride season on the letters page of a— reference to pride season on the letters page of a newspaper. rrrsr— letters page of a newspaper. rrrsr-rrroe— letters page of a newspaper. first-pride day,- letters page of a newspaper. first pride day, then first it was pride day, then rrroe— first it was pride day, then pride weekend,— first it was pride day, then pride weekend, then week, pride weekend, then pride week, mem— pride weekend, then pride week, rbem rrroe — pride weekend, then pride week, then pride month.— pride weekend, then pride week, then pride month. now it's pride sesom— then pride month. now it's pride sesom .— then pride month. now it's pride sesom . mese— then pride month. now it's pride season . these pride supporters season. these pride supporters move—rb—

season. these pride supporters move—bro r- season. these pride supporters have-pr, i wonder. have wonderful pr, i wonder vvbors— have wonderful pr, i wonder vbo-s boymg— have wonderful pr, i wonder vbo-s boymg bor— have wonderful pr, i wonder who's paying for it. supermarket boobers— who's paying for it. supermarket boobers oomrr— who's paying for it. supermarket pockets don't even— who's paying for it. supermarket pockets don't even to pockets don't even bother to eerebrore. — pockets don't even bother to celebrate. saint— pockets don't even bother to celebrate. saint george's day . celebrate. saint george's day. oh— celebrate. saint george's day. 0g, youre— celebrate. saint george's day. 0g, youre rbgbb— celebrate. saint george's day. oh, you're right, maggie. now no sum— oh, you're right, maggie. now no somr marry— oh, you're right, maggie. now no somr buy or— oh, you're right, maggie. now no saint harry of sussex believes mor— saint harry of sussex believes me be— saint harry of sussex believes me be oom— saint harry of sussex believes that he can cure— saint harry of sussex believes that he can cure the world of all that he can cure the world of on us— that he can cure the world of on us rus— that he can cure the world of all its ills and— that he can cure the world of all its ills and prejudices, and bers— all its ills and prejudices, and res brrebeo— all its ills and prejudices, and he's pitched an— all its ills and prejudices, and he's pitched an idea to be a sbrmb— he's pitched an idea to be a mum ro— he's pitched an idea to be a shrink to vladimir putin and bombe— shrink to vladimir putin and donald trump.— shrink to vladimir putin and donald trump. now, this is how bers— donald trump. now, this is how bers rosr— donald trump. now, this is how bers rosr ms— donald trump. now, this is how he's lost his spotify. i'd love to he's lost his spotify. i'd love ro move— he's lost his spotify. i'd love to have been— he's lost his spotify. i'd love to have been a— he's lost his spotify. i'd love to have been a fly on the wall of to have been a fly on the wall or mor— to have been a fly on the wall of that meeting. _ to have been a fly on the wall of that meeting. connor tomlinson— of that meeting. connor tomlinson because they've said to tomlinson because they've said ro mm.— tomlinson because they've said to him, obviously,— tomlinson because they've said to him, obviously, who you to him, obviously, who do you vom— to him, obviously, who do you vom ro— to him, obviously, who do you want to interview— to him, obviously, who do you want to interview on your booeosre— want to interview on your podcast?-he's- want to interview on your podcast? he's come up with podcast? and he's come up with rbrs— podcast? and he's come up with rbrs meo— podcast? and he's come up with rbrs be or— podcast? and he's come up with this idea of sitting— podcast? and he's come up with this idea of sitting with this idea of sitting down with vroormrr— this idea of sitting down with vladimir through vladimir putin to go through his rroumo— vladimir putin to go through his rroumo ome— vladimir putin to go through his trauma and therefore presumably oebreve— trauma and therefore presumably achieve world— trauma and therefore presumably achieve world peace. he doesn't rrve— achieve world peace. he doesn't rrve m— achieve world peace. he doesn't rrve be me— achieve world peace. he doesn't live in the real— achieve world peace. he doesn't live in the real world. harry goes— live in the real world. harry ooes bee — live in the real world. harry ooes be? r— live in the real world. harry does he? i don't- live in the real world. harry does he? r:ir . live in the real world. harry- does he? i don't know what kind of thinks he has , but of pool he thinks he has, but he's a notable name. but only because of his connection to the royal family he's squandered quite a lot of goodwill the quite a lot of goodwill with the british and the broader british public and the broader press. trump as well . not press. yeah, trump as well. not the fan of meghan markle the biggest fan of meghan markle , i don't imagine that harry , so i don't imagine that harry would have had the most conducive conversation with him.

and i think might be and also i think putin might be a little busy, but i mean, what what what is harry thinking? what is what is harry thinking? that's the thing. you know, i vouro— that's the thing. you know, i vouro rove— that's the thing. you know, i would love to— that's the thing. you know, i would love to have been in that meermg— would love to have been in that meermg vrrb— would love to have been in that meeting with spotify and think of meeting with spotify and think or orb— meeting with spotify and think or on or— meeting with spotify and think of all of those— meeting with spotify and think of all of those corporate men rrymg— of all of those corporate men rrymg ro— of all of those corporate men rrymg roleoor— of all of those corporate men trying to .cool and - of all of those corporate men trying to cool and creative, trying to be cool and creative, bur— trying to be cool and creative, bur bovmg— trying to be cool and creative, bur bovmg ro— trying to be cool and creative, but having to kind of blink srovvry— but having to kind of blink srovry os— but having to kind of blink srovry as be— but having to kind of blink slowly as he reveals to them his vrsrom— slowly as he reveals to them his vrsrom bor— slowly as he reveals to them his vision for his— slowly as he reveals to them his vision for his podcast in which he psychoanalyses vladimir rum— he psychoanalyses vladimir rurm. rs— he psychoanalyses vladimir rurm. rs br— he psychoanalyses vladimir putin. is it just— he psychoanalyses vladimir putin. is it just that he's is he putin. is it just that he's is be iusr— putin. is it just that he's is he just utterly— putin. is it just that he's is he just utterly narcissistic , he just utterly narcissistic, merry— he just utterly narcissistic, buy me— he just utterly narcissistic, uorry me be— he just utterly narcissistic, harry and he says nobody in his life harry and he says nobody in his bre ro— harry and he says nobody in his me o rebr— harry and he says nobody in his life to tell him _ harry and he says nobody in his life to tell him you're you sound— life to tell him you're you sound like— life to tell him you're you sound like a— life to tell him you're you sound like a nutcase. i think his sound like a nutcase. i think ms beoo— sound like a nutcase. i think his head has— sound like a nutcase. i think his head has been filled with very— his head has been filled with very roeors— his head has been filled with very rueors .— his head has been filled with very ideals , logically unsound very ideals, logically unsound semrmem— very ideals, logically unsound semrrmemr . — very ideals, logically unsound sentiment . it's— very ideals, logically unsound sentiment . e iirirgivir“ sentiment. it's from meghan markle, who also has grand designs to influence politics and call up us senators and say hi, it's the duchess of sussex to try and leverage over over legislation . so i think he's legislation. so i think he's just gotten too big for his boots and realise he boots and doesn't realise he looks a mug. it looks like a bit of a mug. it feels like it's all coming crashing down a little bit, though, it? rachel for though, doesn't it? rachel for the it though, doesn't it? rachel for rbe—rr goes- though, doesn't it? rachel for rbe—rr ooes . l though, doesn't it? rachel for the it does . well, the sussexes now it does. well, obey-ve— the sussexes now it does. well, rbeyrve been— the sussexes now it does. well, they've been haven't they?

they've been axed haven't they? haven't i listened to haven't they. but i listened to meghan , the one of the meghan markle, the one of the archetype podcast . it's about archetype podcast. it's about divas and yeah , yeah. if you divas and yeah, yeah. if you haven't listened to it, i wouldn't waste your time. i've heard clips. it, it completely boobs— heard clips. it, it completely lacks self—aware— : rte it, it completely lacks self—aware bareness, ooesmrr— lacks self—aware bareness, ooesmrr be — lacks self—aware bareness, doesn't it? it— lacks self—aware bareness, doesn't it? a e lacks self—aware bareness, doesn't it? a a lacks self—aware bareness, doesn't it? a e r:. doesn't it? it was it was quite painful to listen to in places. you know, i was reading your srory— you know, i was reading your srory rouoy— you know, i was reading your srory rouoy mo— you know, i was reading your story today and you had by any oermrrrom— story today and you had by any oermrrrom o— story today and you had by any definition a really— story today and you had by any definition a really you had a rumour— definition a really you had a difficult childhood, didn't you? i difficult childhood, didn't you? r reorry— difficult childhood, didn't you? r reorry ore.— difficult childhood, didn't you? i really did. you— difficult childhood, didn't you? i really did. you were in and our— i really did. you were in and our or— i really did. you were in and our of sore— i really did. you were in and out of care. give— i really did. you were in and out of care. give us an idea of umr— out of care. give us an idea of mu you— out of care. give us an idea of mu you vemr— out of care. give us an idea of what you went through, because you eouro— what you went through, because you our move— what you went through, because you could have done a harry and bosreorry— you could have done a harry and basically-yourself- you could have done a harry and basically yourself as basically cast yourself as a vrerrm — basically cast yourself as a victim -rest- basically cast yourself as a victim -rest of- basically cast yourself as a victim rest of your victim for the rest of your bre. — victim for the rest of your bre. -uomrr- victim for the rest of your. life. -don't-think victim for the rest of your- life. -don't-think that life. well, don't you think that there's lot of similarities there's a lot of similarities between childhood and between harry's childhood and putin's? no , putin's mother putin's? yeah no, putin's mother apparently nearly died of starvation and he was brought up with war and vermin . so, yeah, with war and vermin. so, yeah, very similar. very similar. but yes, a very unusual yes, i did have a very unusual childhood. i had. i was the result of an affair. and my there was an accident outside there was an accident outside the house. the police came round to investigate and found me

sitting on the floor blue in december with no clothes on with a stepfather dressed in my mother's clothes. and how old were you? i was eight months. so the social services raided the house and i got taken straight into so how did you become into care. so how did you become , um, so successful and so well—adjusted ? we have only just well—adjusted? we have only just me.— well—adjusted? we have only just mer. mere-s— well—adjusted? we have only just mer. rberers o— well—adjusted? we have only just met. there's a big— 33“ we have only just met. there's a big assumption to make.— met. there's a big assumption to more. our— met. there's a big assumption to more. our you— met. there's a big assumption to make. but you seem lovely. but you— make. but you seem lovely. but you soure— make. but you seem lovely. but you our move— make. but you seem lovely. but you could have done a harry. you mow.— you could have done a harry. you mow. you— you could have done a harry. you know. you soure— you could have done a harry. you know, you could have spent your life know, you could have spent your rrre soybmg— know, you could have spent your life saying, poor— know, you could have spent your life saying, poor me, poor me. reab— life saying, poor me, poor me. veob movv— life saying, poor me, poor me. yeah how did— life saying, poor me, poor me. yeah how did you— life saying, poor me, poor me. yeah how did you not do that? rme— yeah how did you not do that? be vbor— yeah how did you not do that? like what was— yeah how did you not do that? like what was the— yeah how did you not do that? like what was the key to your r— like what was the key to your success? i think— like what was the key to your success? i think for me it was obour— success? i think for me it was about everything— success? i think for me it was about everything was so unpredictable in our childhood mor— unpredictable in our childhood bar you— unpredictable in our childhood mob you iusr— unpredictable in our childhood that you just learn to get on vrrb— that you just learn to get on our br— that you just learn to get on our rr . — that you just learn to get on with it . and— that you just learn to get on with it. r: / that you just learn to get on- with it . and survival . yeah. and with it. and survival. yeah. and my sister and i have had quite lengthy conversations about how we have sort of remained fairly normal. yeah and yeah , it's normal. yeah and yeah, it's about, i think it's glass half full mentality and thinking, okay, well the situation's a bit rubbish right now, but so, so in

a way harry had, has had the worst case of both worlds because yes, of course he lost his mother or he wouldn't wish that yes, he had that on anyone. and yes, he had to that on anyone. and yes, he had ro go— that on anyone. and yes, he had ro go rbrougb— that on anyone. and yes, he had to go through that— ir�* and yes, he had to go through that traumatic eberremee — to go through that traumatic experience, which brings experience, which still brings rears— experience, which still brings. rears—bebmo tears to my eyes walking behind the tears to my eyes walking behind rue-mom— tears to my eyes walking behind rue-mom or— tears to my eyes walking behind the -front of.those. the coffin in front of all those rbousomos— the coffin in front of all those. thousands _absolutely thousands of people. absolutely ovvrub—bur- thousands of people. absolutelyj awful,_but against awful, awful, awful. but against mob— awful, awful, awful. but against mob-rbe— awful, awful, awful. but against that,-the backdrop- that, he had the backdrop of vosr—ruvury- that, he had the backdrop of vast—luxury andi vast wealth and luxury and brrvrrege.— vast wealth and luxury and brrvrrege.-o- vast wealth and luxury and privilege. a way, you're privilege. and in a way, you're soymg— privilege. and in a way, you're soymg-o— privilege. and in a way, you're soymg-o semse- privilege. and in a way, you're. saying-a sense-kind saying that in a sense that kind of saying that in a sense that kind or bossrbry— saying that in a sense that kind or bossrbry-rr— saying that in a sense that kind of possibly it worse for of possibly made it worse for mm. — of possibly made it worse for mm. lurumrr— of possibly made it worse for him. .didn't build- of possibly made it worse for. him. .didn't build resilience. him. he didn't build resilience. there no resilience. there was no resilience. yes. everything was effectively handed to him on a plate. so he didn't know how to deal. he still doesn't know how to deal with with situations. yeah i mean, he said that he's done all of this to pay for security for his family. yeah, the irony of it, his family. yeah, the irony of g, r— his family. yeah, the irony of g, r vom— his family. yeah, the irony of g, r vom ro— his family. yeah, the irony of it, i want to ask— his family. yeah, the irony of it, i want to ask you- i gr yeah, the irony of it, i want to ask you how your ebrrobooo— it, i want to ask you how your childhood was,— it, i want to ask you how your childhood was, but you're still in childhood was, but you're still m g,— childhood was, but you're still in it, basically.— childhood was, but you're still in it, basically. thanks in it, basically. oh, thanks very—ub- in it, basically. oh, thanks. very—us rovery very much. yeah. n0 lovely parents and very much. yeah. no lovely parents and grandparents hated school . i was always a bit of a school. i was always a bit of a social outcast and an underdog, social outcast and an underdog, so it's weird that i've ended up on suppose you will fit on telly. i suppose you will fit right in yeah. yeah. right in here. yeah. yeah. the one say harry one thing i will say about harry is that the compounding factor is that the compounding factor is obviously can to

is obviously and i can relate to this terrible taste in this having terrible taste in girlfriends the past. his girlfriends in the past. his awful in women. awful taste in women. and i think unfortunately , if you are think unfortunately, if you are quite a weak man, you will seek out kind of validation from out any kind of validation from a woman you think gives you half a woman you think gives you half a glance and you'll be led further than gunpowder can blow you. seems to be you. and that's seems to be what's happened with him. well, ihave what's happened with him. well, i have had a lovely time tonight.— i have had a lovely time tonight-too.- i have had a lovely time tonight. too. from a weak tonight. you too. from a weak .to— tonight. you too. from a weak .to-potar- tonight. you too. from a weak man. to polar opposite man. now to the polar opposite of a— man. now to the polar opposite of a weak— man. now to the polar opposite of a weak m..— man. now to the polar opposite of a weak man. a— man. now to the polar opposite of a weak man. a very strong a— of a weak man. a very strong a very— of a weak man. a very strong man. a very tall— of a weak man. a very strong man. a very tall man in the shape— man. a very tall man in the shape af— man. a very tall man in the shape of mark— man. a very tall man in the shape of mark dolan . beverley, a shape of mark dolan. beverley, a full shape of mark dolan. beverley, a fan af— shape of mark dolan. beverley, a full of confidence. _ shape of mark dolan. beverley, a full of confidence. “aw full of confidence. thank you so much . the heat must have got to much. the heat must have got to you. we've got a really busy two hours. it's mark dolan tonight from the new time of 9 pm. in my big opinion on brexit, seven years on my verdict. let me tell you that this project is constant . proving the doubters constant. proving the doubters wrong . it might take at ten i'll wrong. it might take at ten i'll be reacting to the cat story. of course, that school in east sussex, where allegedly one of the pupils identifies as a feline. this is a red line for me. we have crossed the rubicon.

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patch. but for all of us it is gang-ae— patch. but for all of us it is going-belmild- patch. but for all of us it is going be mild and humid going to be a mild and humid mam.— going to be a mild and humid night—cities- going to be a mild and humid night._cities not. night. towns and cities not dropping— night. towns and cities not dropping-lower- night. towns and cities not dropping lower than 16 dropping much lower than 16 w c.— dropping much lower than 16 w clit— dropping much lower than 16 17 c..it could— dropping much lower than 16 17 c..it could be- dropping much lower than 16 17 c. it could be quite 17 c. so it could be quite sticky— 17 c. so it could be quite eakky ae— 17 c. so it could be quite sticky as some- 17 c. so it could be quite sticky as some of us head to bed knee— sticky as some of us head to bed knee saaaaaay— sticky as some of us head to bed into saturday morning. still some outbreaks— into saturday morning. still some outbreaks of rain for parts of camera— some outbreaks of rain for parts of cumbria into— some outbreaks of rain for parts of cumbria into northwest seama— of cumbria into northwest scotland, gradually pushing ahea— scotland, gradually pushing akekway— scotland, gradually pushing their way north _ scotland, gradually pushing their way north westwards. but generally— their way north westwards. but generally they'll— their way north westwards. but generally they'll fade out as we head— generally they'll fade out as we head knee— generally they'll fade out as we head into the— generally they'll fade out as we head into the afternoon and the dead— head into the afternoon and the dead wak— head into the afternoon and the cloud will break— head into the afternoon and the cloud will break up a bit more, allowing— cloud will break up a bit more, allowing_intervals| allowing those sunny intervals to allowing those sunny intervals aka-ka— allowing those sunny intervals ae-ka mae— allowing those sunny intervals to in that sunshine to develop in that sunshine across northern— to develop in that sunshine across northern ireland, parts of eeaaaak— across northern ireland, parts of central scotland will see temperatures— of central scotland will see temperatures higher than they were-friday— temperatures higher than they were i friday-the - temperatures higher than they were friday the mid were on friday around the mid 205,— were on friday around the mid eee, baa— were on friday around the mid 20s, but climbing— were on friday around the mid 20s, but climbing towards 30 c in southeastern— 20s, but climbing towards 30 c in southeastern areas of england aeakky— in southeastern areas of england aeakkk wak— in southeastern areas of england aeakky wkkk ae— in southeastern areas of england really will be quite a hot day with—av- really will be quite a hot day with _uv levels. i really will be quite a hot dayi with—uv levels. if with some strong uv levels. if you— with some strong uv levels. if you ae— with some strong uv levels. if you eat— with some strong uv levels. if you eat in— with some strong uv levels. if you are out in sunshine into you are out in the sunshine into saaaaaak— you are out in the sunshine into saturday evening,— you are out in the sunshine into saturday evening, that cloud wak— saturday evening, that cloud wkkk mee— saturday evening, that cloud will melt its— saturday evening, that cloud will melt its way off. so there wak— will melt its way off. so there win-eeme— will melt its way off. so there will i some late _ will melt its way off. so there will some late sunshine will be some late sunshine that wak— will be some late sunshine that wkkk-ekeaa— will be some late sunshine that will-clear intervals. will turn into clear intervals overnight. — will turn into clear intervals overnight. but— will turn into clear intervals overnight. but it's to be overnight. but it's going to be another— overnight. but it's going to be another-ene— overnight. but it's going to be another-one for- overnight. but it's going to be another one for all of us. another humid one for all of us. ag...— another humid one for all of us. ag... ka— another humid one for all of us. again, ke, 17— another humid one for all of us. again, 16, 17 celsius. the lows ahea— again, 16, 17 celsius. the lows akea knee— again, 16, 17 celsius. the lows then into sunday.— again, 16, 17 celsius. the lows then into sunday. we are watching— then into sunday. we are watching this— then into sunday. we are watching this feature as it pushes— watching this feature as it pushes ka— watching this feature as it pushes in from - watching this feature as it pushes in from the west, provides— pushes in from the west,| provides—rain pushes in from the west,- provides_rain for provides quite heavy rain for mathem— provides quite heavy rain for northern ireland, parts of weeennn— northern ireland, parts of western scotland before it ewenwakw— western scotland before it- eventually—into eventually moves its way into england— eventually moves its way into england win— eventually moves its way into england with some thunderstorms

developing— england with some thunderstorms developing ahead— england with some thunderstorms developing ahead of that neaennak— developing ahead of that potential for— developing ahead of that potential for torrential potential for some torrential aewnnewe— potential for some torrential downpours and— potential for some torrential downpours and surface water . anae— downpours and surface water issues . that conference links downpours and surface water iss way that conference links downpours and surface water iss way across:onference links downpours and surface water iss way across and rence links downpours and surface water iss way across and opens.inks downpours and surface water iss way across and opens up s downpours and surface water iss way across and opens up the its way across and opens up the near— its way across and opens up the new ne— its way across and opens up the new no sene— its way across and opens up the door to some fresher air from ane— door to some fresher air from we ween. — door to some fresher air from the west. but— door to some fresher air from the west. but it— door to some fresher air from the west. but it also allows aneee— the west. but it also allows these—pressure. these further low pressure eeenne— these further low pressure eentee ta — these further low pressure centres to start- these further low pressure centres to start moving their way— centres to start moving their way tn.— centres to start moving their way tn. se— centres to start moving their way tn. so we— centres to start moving their way in. so the weekend and into the way in. so the weekend and into tne start— way in. so the weekend and into tne start at— way in. so the weekend and into the start of the— way in. so the weekend and into the start of the new new working week— the start of the new new working week reeke— the start of the new new working week looks like— the start of the new new working week looks like it— the start of the new new working week looks like it will turning more unsettled— week looks like it will turning more unsettled but also a little bit more unsettled but also a little ttt treener—

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