in an antique revolver smuggling in an antique revolver and opening fire while still in handcuffs. as a result , the handcuffs. as a result, the independent office for police conduct recommends hand—held metal detectors should be ruled out by all forces . straw breaks out by all forces. straw breaks at heathrow have been called off as workers accept a new pay deal as workers accept a new pay deal. more than 2000 staff members were due to strike for 31 days throughout the summer. unite union says workers will receive a pay increase of between 15.5 and 17.5% at the royal family were out in force today at ascot. the king and the queen led the traditional royal carriage procession on around the parade ring in glorious sunshine earlier today. following them in the carriage behind was the prince and princess of wales kate was wearing a red alexander mcqueen dress and a matching philip treacy hat . they were also

treacy hat. they were also joined by acting royalty. that was dame judi dench, who was in the procession as fourth carriage online dab+ radio and on tunein . this is gb news nato on tunein. this is gb news nato . it's over to . bev good . it's over to. bev good evening. it is just after 8:00 tonight am. laurence identifying as bev— tonight am. laurence identifying as bev turne— tonight am. laurence identifying as bev turner coming— a?“ g ':r�*~r: laurence identifying as bev turner coming up on air“ 3 ':r�*~r: laurence identifying as bev turner coming up on this gorgeous— as bev turner coming up on this gorgeous friday— as bev turner coming up on this gorgeous friday night at pride fatigue.— gorgeous friday night at pride fatigue. somewhere over the rainbow— fatigue. somewhere over the rainbow that— fatigue. somewhere over the rainbow that are _ fatigue. somewhere over the rainbow that are plastered in every— rainbow that are plastered in every single— rainbow that are plastered in every single shop and classroom windsw— every single shop and classroom window right— every single shop and classroom window right now— every single shop and classroom window right now is the reason shes— window right now is the reason that pride— window right now is the reason that pride week— window right now is the reason that pride week started. but the defeat— that pride week started. but the defeat of— that pride week started. but the defeat of homophobia is a success story. _ defeat of homophobia is a success story. so why are we sau— success story. so why are we sau banging— success story. so why are we still banging about being still banging on about being peasa— still banging on about being proud-peapae- still banging on about beingi proud-peapae-aa proud of where people like to put— proud of where people like to pas-private— proud of where people like to put-private parts- proud of where people like to put private parts .7 and if put their private parts.7 and if so, put their private parts.7 and if sale— put their private parts.7 and if sale ame— put their private parts.7 and if so,.it time-start- so, is it time to start celebrating- so, is it time to start- celebrating-straight.7 so, is it time to start— celebrating-straight.7 plus celebrating being straight? plus the celebrating being straight? plus aae easaa— celebrating being straight? plus the reason prince— celebrating being straight? plus the reason prince harry and his missus were ditched by spotify. harry— missus were ditched by spotify. harry wanted— missus were ditched by spotify. harry wanted to— missus were ditched by spotify. harry wanted to interview putin and harry wanted to interview putini and—childhood and trump about their childhood tauas— and trump about their childhood traumas—rue- and trump about their childhood traumas—me die. traumas. it just makes me die treat— traumas. it just makes me die that story.— traumas. it just makes me die that story. r— traumas. it just makes me die that story. i think— traumas. it just makes me die that story. i think it's hilarious,— that story. i think it's hilarious, presumably thinking treat—route- hilarious, presumably thinking

that—route to- hilarious, presumably thinking. that—route to world that would be the route to world peace — that would be the route to world peace -startes— that would be the route to world peace. -stories and- that would be the route to world peace. stories and more peace. these stories and more tutt— peace. these stories and more uttt-tause- peace. these stories and more with-house this- with our news house this ereutag. — evening. rachel watkins, eco earereueurtp— evening. rachel watkins, eco entrepreneur ,_ evening. rachel watkins, eco entrepreneur , and conor entrepreneur, and conor tamttusaru— entrepreneur, and conor- tomlinson,-commentator tomlinson, political commentator . aut— tomlinson, political commentator . ant usu— tomlinson, political commentator . ant you are— tomlinson, political commentator out you my— tomlinson, political commentator . and you are my third panellist toutett— . and you are my third panellist tourgttlatuays— tonight as always, gbviews@gbnews.com is the tonight as always,— gbviews@gbnews.com is the email . eut— gbviews@gbnews.com is the email . out first— gbviews@gbnews.com is the email . but first yesterday— gbviews@gbnews.com is the email . but first yesterday we heard treat— . but first yesterday we heard that interest— . but first yesterday we heard that interest rates have been guerr— that interest rates have been gryeu ttetr— that interest rates have been given their 13th— that interest rates have been given their 13th consecutive to— given their 13th consecutive increase to try— given their 13th consecutive increase to try and dampen the rats— increase to try and dampen the uk's inflation— increase to try and dampen the uk's inflation bonfire on the stay.— uk's inflation bonfire on the same day. chris— uk's inflation bonfire on the same day. chris whitty was tatttue— same day. chris whitty was tatttuo to— same day. chris whitty was talking to the— same day. chris whitty was talking to the world's most eoveuste— talking to the world's most expensive covid inquiry about the roots— expensive covid inquiry about the roots ot— expensive covid inquiry about the logic of locking down teattty— the logic of locking down healthy people and don't for one reroute— healthy people and don't for one mtuute turnt— healthy people and don't for one minute think that— healthy people and don't for one minute think that these two issues are unrelated . and this issues are unrelated. and this issues are unrelated. and this ts tre— issues are unrelated. and this ts the man— issues are unrelated. and this is the man who— issues are unrelated. and this is the man who stood at the tester— is the man who stood at the teeteru every— is the man who stood at the lectern every day- is the man who stood at the lectern every day at 5 pm. to explain— lectern every day at 5 pm. to exptara wry— lectern every day at 5 pm. to exptara why you— lectern every day at 5 pm. to explain why you mustn't leave your— explain why you mustn't leave your house — explain why you mustn't leave your house tru— explain why you mustn't leave your house. i'm sure you rememert rt— your house. i'm sure you remember it clearly and mastered— remember it clearly and trrggeret a— remember it clearly and triggered a half £1 trillion goyemmemt— triggered a half £1 trillion government spending spree which has government spending spree which tas mou— government spending spree which has set— government spending spree which has now set economy on has how set our economy on has now set our economy on course to probably collapse . s course to probably collapse. s mere— course to probably collapse. s mere ts— course to probably collapse. s here is whitty. _ course to probably collapse. s here is whitty. yesterday being quizzed— here is whitty. yesterday being autzzet om— here is whitty. yesterday being quizzed on how— here is whitty. yesterday being quizzed on how lockdowns came about. — quizzed on how lockdowns came

about. very— quizzed on how lockdowns came about. very big— quizzed on how lockdowns came about. very big new idea was the mea— about. very big new idea was the ttea ot— about. very big new idea was the ttea ot a— about. very big new idea was the idea of a lockdown. \r 37�* idea of a lockdown. all the npis are sometimes called lockdown by some commentators, but i'm talking here very, very specifically about the state saying people have to go go home and stay at home, except under very limited circumstances , a very limited circumstances, a very limited circumstances, a very radical thing to do. i would have thought it would be very surprising without this being requested by a senior politician or similar that a scientific committee would venture in between emergencies into that kind of extraordinarily major social intervention with huge economic and social ramifications . right and social ramifications. right 7 and social ramifications. right ? so we were told m: f f right ? so we were told repeatedly treat— ? so we were told repeatedly that the — ? so we were told repeatedly that the politicians were tottoume— that the politicians were following the - that the politicians were following the science . yes, but following the science. yes, but the scientists— following the science. yes, but the scientists are— following the science. yes, but the scientists are now saying treat— the scientists are now saying that trey— the scientists are now saying that they were _ the scientists are now saying that they were following the ootrttetams— that they were following the politicians, which begs the ouesttom— politicians, which begs the ouesttom .— politicians, which begs the question , who— politicians, which begs the question , who were the question, who were the politicians— question, who were the politicians following apart trom— politicians following apart trom, ot— politicians following apart from, of course, the chinese commumtst— from, of course, the chinese communist party- from, of course, the chinese communist party with their tootage— communist party with their tootage ot— communist party with their footage of people face planting in footage of people face planting m tre— footage of people face planting m the street— footage of people face planting in the street to _ footage of people face planting in the street to terrify the

west,— in the street to terrify the west, where _ in the street to terrify the west, where were, unfortunately sett— west, where were, unfortunately sett semme— west, where were, unfortunately self serving politicians were hoping— self serving politicians were hoping tor— self serving politicians were hoping tor a— self serving politicians were hoping for a popularity bounce as matt— hoping for a popularity bounce as matt hancock— hoping for a popularity bounce as matt hancock whatsapp messages revealed in january 2020,— messages revealed in january 2020, a— messages revealed in january 2020, a wett— messages revealed in january 2020, a well handled crisis court— 2020, a well handled crisis eoutt proper— 2020, a well handled crisis could propel him into the next teaeue— could propel him into the next league amt— could propel him into the next league and break— could propel him into the next league and break him through in terms— league and break him through in terms ot— league and break him through in terms of public— league and break him through in terms of public perception . oh, terms of public perception. oh, it terms of public perception. oh, tt att— terms of public perception. oh, tt ttt treat. — terms of public perception. oh, it did that. all— terms of public perception. oh, it did that. all right. hancock we definitely— it did that. all right. hancock we definitely have your number . rou— we definitely have your number now . you see, to— we definitely have your number now . you see, to truly now. you see, to truly understand - now. you see, to truly understand the country we live in understand the country we live tm at— understand the country we live m at tre— understand the country we live in at the moment,— understand the country we live in at the moment, the economic stuster— in at the moment, the economic cluster fiasco _ in at the moment, the economic cluster fiasco only— in at the moment, the economic cluster fiasco only makes sense urem— cluster fiasco only makes sense when vtewet— cluster fiasco only makes sense when viewed alongside decisions mate— when viewed alongside decisions mate sme— when viewed alongside decisions mate spring— when viewed alongside decisions made since spring 2020. a man uto— made since spring 2020. a man who ts— made since spring 2020. a man who ts startmg— made since spring 2020. a man who is starting to— made since spring 2020. a man who is starting to be trolled by his who is starting to be trolled by ms oom— who is starting to be trolled by his own name,— who is starting to be trolled by his own name, foreign secretary yames— his own name, foreign secretary yames cteyerty,— his own name, foreign secretary james cleverly, was on stage tras— james cleverly, was on stage tms treet— james cleverly, was on stage this week blaming ukraine brexit and this week blaming ukraine brexit amt tutu.— this week blaming ukraine brexit amt rutm. att— this week blaming ukraine brexit and putin. all the— this week blaming ukraine brexit and putin. all the usual convenient— and putin. all the usual convenient get out of jail free carts— convenient get out of jail free oarts tor— convenient get out of jail free cards for mps_ convenient get out of jail free cards for mps too— convenient get out of jail free cards for mps too lazy to read amytmme— cards for mps too lazy to read auytmmg router— cards for mps too lazy to read anything longer than a tweet. it is anything longer than a tweet. it ts ot— anything longer than a tweet. it is none of those— anything longer than a tweet. it is none of those things. it is tem— is none of those things. it is ten years— is none of those things. it is ten years ot— is none of those things. it is ten years of ex— is none of those things. it is ten years of ex goldman sachs tamer— ten years of ex goldman sachs tamter mart— ten years of ex goldman sachs banker mark carney appointed by george— banker mark carney appointed by george osborne— banker mark carney appointed by george osborne to— banker mark carney appointed by george osborne to lead the bank of george osborne to lead the bank ot metamo— george osborne to lead the bank ot metamt ora— george osborne to lead the bank of england via excessively low mterest— of england via excessively low interest rates— of england via excessively low interest rates ,_ of england via excessively low

interest rates , grotesque interest rates, grotesque property— interest rates, grotesque property bubbles and overzealous money— property bubbles and overzealous mouey ormtmg— property bubbles and overzealous mouey ormtmg .— property bubbles and overzealous money printing , which ramped up money printing, which ramped up to roam— money printing, which ramped up to warp soeet— money printing, which ramped up to warp speed during lockdowns so treat— to warp speed during lockdowns so that healthy— to warp speed during lockdowns so that healthy young people court— so that healthy young people soutt tatte— so that healthy young people could hide at— so that healthy young people could hide at home instead of going— could hide at home instead of gomg to— could hide at home instead of gomg to wort— could hide at home instead of gomg to wort .— could hide at home instead of going to work . we now know that going to work. we now know that torts— going to work. we now know that torts yormsom— going to work. we now know that boris johnson knew— going to work. we now know that boris johnson knew the true rtsts— boris johnson knew the true rtsts .— boris johnson knew the true rtsts . mem— boris johnson knew the true risks . even the— boris johnson knew the true risks . even the over 65 seconds risks. even the over 65 seconds at— risks. even the over 65 seconds were at greater— risks. even the over 65 seconds were at greater risk of falling torm— were at greater risk of falling tour the — were at greater risk of falling down the stairs— were at greater risk of falling down the stairs at home, he said in down the stairs at home, he said m a— down the stairs at home, he said m a message— down the stairs at home, he said m a message to— down the stairs at home, he said in a message to chris whitty and he atmtttet— in a message to chris whitty and he admitted we— in a message to chris whitty and he admitted we don't stop older oeoote— he admitted we don't stop older people trom — he admitted we don't stop older people from using— he admitted we don't stop older people from using stairs , but he people from using stairs, but he uasut— people from using stairs, but he uasut strong— people from using stairs, but he wasn't strong enough to stand by this wasn't strong enough to stand by tms correct— wasn't strong enough to stand by this correct assessment . we this correct assessment. we thought— this correct assessment. we thought te— this correct assessment. we thought he was— this correct assessment. we thought he was silenced by warty-s— thought he was silenced by whitty's science. apparently mot.— whitty's science. apparently not so— whitty's science. apparently not. so someone isn't being emttrety— not. so someone isn't being entirely truthful. _ not. so someone isn't being entirely truthful. we have a coer— entirely truthful. we have a covro mgurry— entirely truthful. we have a covid inquiry which looks more like covid inquiry which looks more ttte mottmg— covid inquiry which looks more like nothing more— covid inquiry which looks more like nothing more than an sovermg— like nothing more than an covering exercise in which oeoote— covering exercise in which people too— covering exercise in which people too weak to ask the right guesttoms— people too weak to ask the right questions during— people too weak to ask the right questions during the time of a mover— questions during the time of a mover — questions during the time of a novel virus. dodge some more games— novel virus. dodge some more pointless questions which will my— pointless questions which will only conclude— pointless questions which will only conclude that next time we stoutt — only conclude that next time we stoutt mate— only conclude that next time we should make it— only conclude that next time we should make it much more simple and should make it much more simple amt outsoure— should make it much more simple and outsource all— should make it much more simple and outsource all decision matmg— and outsource all decision making about— and outsource all decision making about freedoms and to— making about freedoms and vaccines to the— making about freedoms and vaccines to the unelected , vaccines to the unelected, tougtt— vaccines to the unelected, tougrat amt —

vaccines to the unelected, bought and paid for world health orgamsattom — bought and paid for world health organisation. and— bought and paid for world health organisation. and guess what? all organisation. and guess what? ttt mose— organisation. and guess what? all those people,— organisation. and guess what? all those people, they care even tess— all those people, they care even tess trau— all those people, they care even less than sunak_ all those people, they care even less than sunak or— all those people, they care even less than sunak or starmer about your— less than sunak or starmer about your attttty— less than sunak or starmer about your atrtrty to— less than sunak or starmer about your atrtrty to pay— less than sunak or starmer about your ability to pay off your roars— your ability to pay off your toaus rou— your ability to pay off your loans. you deserve better. a concise inquiry— loans. you deserve better. a concise inquiry in which we find out wry— concise inquiry in which we find out why there — concise inquiry in which we find out why there was— concise inquiry in which we find out why there was no economic cost— out why there was no economic cost benefit— out why there was no economic cost benefit analysis of such totalitarian _ cost benefit analysis of such totalitarian policies and a tuuettoumg— totalitarian policies and a functioning economy that not orty— functioning economy that not outy works— functioning economy that not only works for— functioning economy that not only works for huge corporations, but also the small tusmesses— corporations, but also the small businesses upon— corporations, but also the small businesses upon which this great uattou— businesses upon which this great uattou ts— businesses upon which this great nation is built— businesses upon which this great nation is built .— businesses upon which this great nation is built. hm let me businesses upon which this great nation is built . hm let me know nation is built. hm let me know what— nation is built. hm let me know what you— nation is built. hm let me know what you tttmt. — what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com. what you think.— vaiews@gbnews.com. joining what you tarot.— vaiews@gbnews.com. joining me now vaiews@gbnews.com. joining me mouto— vaiews@gbnews.com. joining me to ttseuss— vaiews@gbnews.com. joining me now to discuss chris whitty's revetattou— now to discuss chris whitty's revelation yesterday about toottoums— revelation yesterday about lockdowns being political rather mau— lockdowns being political rather than ssteuse— lockdowns being political rather than science decisions is jamie yemtms— than science decisions is jamie teutms .— than science decisions is jamie jenkins , independent jenkins, independent statistician- jenkins, independent statistician and former head of team— statistician and former head of health analysis— statistician and former head of health analysis at the ons , and health analysis at the ons, and dr. health analysis at the ons, and g. oavtt— health analysis at the ons, and dr. david lloyd,— health analysis at the ons, and dr. david lloyd, a— health analysis at the ons, and dr. david lloyd, a gp with the tus.— dr. david lloyd, a gp with the was soot— dr. david lloyd, a gp with the nhs. good evening, gentlemen. marat— nhs. good evening, gentlemen. thank you— nhs. good evening, gentlemen. thank you both— nhs. good evening, gentlemen. thank you both very much for joining— thank you both very much for joining me— thank you both very much for joining me. jamie, what did you mate— joining me. jamie, what did you mate ot— joining me. jamie, what did you make of whitty's— joining me. jamie, what did you make of whitty's admission yestertaye— make of whitty's admission yestertaye rt— make of whitty's admission yesterday? if i— make of whitty's admission yesterday? if i can come to you first.— yesterday? if i can come to you first rearr— yesterday? if i can come to you first team r— yesterday? if i can come to you first. yeah i suppose. bev it's trut— first. yeah i suppose. bev it's tmt ot— first. yeah i suppose. bev it's kind of interesting in terms of

where we are so module one is looking at the preparedness for the pandemic. so how prepared we were going into it. module two of the covid inquiry will look at more around the lockdowns and i think that was kind of discussed yesterday. but what chris whitty kind saying chris whitty is kind of saying there, of there, which was kind of interesting for is that the interesting for me, is that the clip that you said is that, you know, was idea. now know, it was a big idea. now this idea was these this new idea was these lockdowns, which was mandatory quarantine population . quarantine for the population. and he said it would be surprising that unless it was requested by a senior politician that the scientific committee would actually go into that kind of suggestion overall. so to me, is that a bit of distancing himself from the kind of the lockdown measures themselves ? lockdown measures themselves? but i think what we need to consider of consider there then, if any of these meetings taking these meetings were taking place, surely there minutes place, surely there were minutes of so the covid place, surely there were minutes of probably so the covid place, surely there were minutes of probably in so the covid place, surely there were minutes of probably in module zovid place, surely there were minutes of probably in module two, inquiry probably in module two, when they consider what was actually happening during the pandemic , not the pandemic, not before the pandemic, not before the pandemic, could come to pandemic, that could come to light, but ultimately , you light, but but ultimately, you know, he he said it was an extraordinarily major social

intervention. his words with huge economic and social ramifications. and we're seeing the huge social and economic, you know, economic ramifications now. bev so i think for me, he's kind of admitting that lockdowns were probably a quite extreme measure that the scientific community wouldn't have gone with without politicians advice. yeah . doctor david lloyd, as yeah. doctor david lloyd, as a tostor— yeah. doctor david lloyd, as a tostor .— yeah. doctor david lloyd, as a gogg, to— yeah. doctor david lloyd, as a tostor, to you— yeah. doctor david lloyd, as a doctor , do you find that doctor, do you find that stostmg — doctor, do you find that shocking to _ doctor, do you find that shocking to think that these teststous— shocking to think that these decisions to— shocking to think that these decisions to lock up healthy geome— decisions to lock up healthy people wee— decisions to lock up healthy people were political rather trau— people were political rather than scientific— people were political rather than scientific based ? “tit; than scientific based? yes. i must— than scientific based? yes. i must atmtt— than scientific based? yes. i must admit it— than scientific based? yes. i must admit it was a bit of a shock to read that myself because i thought that this was all based in science. i think they mate— all based in science. i think they made the— all based in science. i think they made the right- : " ff ithink they made the right decision, ttougm— they made the right decision, though, because _ they made the right decision, though, because if you at though, because if you look at the rate— though, because if you look at the rate at— though, because if you look at the rate at which— though, because if you look at the rate at which countries tostet— the rate at which countries locked countries the rate at which countries- locked -countries that locked down, the countries that tostet— locked down, the countries that locked - quickest - locked down, the countries that locked quickest have locked down the quickest have some-sown— locked down the quickest have come -covid the - locked down the quickest have come covid the best and come out of covid the best and arso— come out of covid the best and atso tave— come out of covid the best and atso tawe tre— come out of covid the best and also have the lowest mortality ates — also have the lowest mortality ates so— also have the lowest mortality ates so rt— also have the lowest mortality rates. so if it— also have the lowest mortality rates. so if it was— also have the lowest mortality rates. so if it was a politician or a scientist— rates. so if it was a politician or a scientist ,_ rates. so if it was a politician or a scientist , i— rates. so if it was a politician or a scientist, i don't really mmt— or a scientist, i don't really mmt exseot— or a scientist, i don't really mind except that we were too tate — mind except that we were too tate to — mind except that we were too tate to go — mind except that we were too late to go into— mind except that we were too late to go into lockdown . late to go into lockdown. so you met— late to go into lockdown. so you ttmt we— late to go into lockdown. so you ttmt we were— late to go into lockdown. so you think we were too— late to go into lockdown. so you think we were too late to go into lockdown, but would you support it? the subsequent lockdowns? david do you think

they went on too long? well, i think there's a very good questions. and i don't know whether— questions. and i don't know whether-sau— questions. and i don't know whether-can do- questions. and i don't know whether-can do the- : and i don't know whether can do the answer or whether we can do the answer or not.— whether we can do the answer or not—ty- whether we can do the answer or not—ty tre- not. we were saved by the vaccine. .vaccine - not. we were saved by the vaccine. vaccine absolutely vaccine. the vaccine absolutely did vaccine. the vaccine absolutely ttt strange— vaccine. the vaccine absolutely did change the— vaccine. the vaccine absolutely did change the whole thing. tramg— did change the whole thing. tmug atout— did change the whole thing. thing about covid. so that if we had thing about covid. so that if we tat very— thing about covid. so that if we had very effective— thing about covid. so that if we had very effective vaccines very gurstty, — had very effective vaccines very gurstty, wmtst— had very effective vaccines very quickly, which were absolutely extraortmary— quickly, which were absolutely extraordinary and how good they aut— extraordinary and how good they were and so that— extraordinary and how good they were and so that did change the subsequent— were and so that did change the subsequent waves.— were and so that did change the subsequent waves. and so i think treat-s— subsequent waves. and so i think treat-s where— subsequent waves. and so i think that's where the— subsequent waves. and so i think that's where the inquiry should be tootmg— that's where the inquiry should be tootmg g,— that's where the inquiry should be looking at, is— that's where the inquiry should be looking at, is whether the tosttowus— be looking at, is whether the lockdowns went— be looking at, is whether the lockdowns went on too long. but mere— lockdowns went on too long. but there ts— lockdowns went on too long. but there is absolutely— lockdowns went on too long. but there is absolutely no doubt in my mmt— there is absolutely no doubt in my mmt trots— there is absolutely no doubt in my mind this is— there is absolutely no doubt in my mind this is that whatever wtetter— my mind this is that whatever whether a— my mind this is that whatever whether a politician or a ssteuttst— whether a politician or a scientist made the decision, we were weeks late— scientist made the decision, we were weeks late locking down the first— were weeks late locking down the ttrst ttme— were weeks late locking down the ttrst ttme aut— were weeks late locking down the first time and therefore lost ttousauts— first time and therefore lost thousands of— first time and therefore lost thousands of lives. ti; thousands of lives. jamie, peopte— thousands of lives. jamie, people will say, why does this matter now? bev why are you talking about in summer talking about this in summer 2023? think it really 2023? but i think it really matters because so many of the situations that we find ourselves in now, particularly with the economy, really matter . and we're just at the start of the covid inquiry. and what do

you make david's assessment you make of david's assessment that actually the lockdowns saved lives? and if you look globally across the world, that's evidence ? well i think that's evidence? well i think the first thing is the very first wave that we had. bev, nobody knew what- first wave that we had. bev, nobody knew what was- �*" “at: bev, nobody knew what was going on. so nobody knew what was going on. so mere-s— nobody knew what was going on. so trees a— nobody knew what was going on. so there's a lot— nobody knew what was going on. so there's a lot of— nobody knew what was going on. so there's a lot of discussion. ott— so there's a lot of discussion. ttt we— so there's a lot of discussion. ttt we tost— so there's a lot of discussion. did we lock down— so there's a lot of discussion. did we lock down too late? did we tost— did we lock down too late? did we lock down?— did we lock down too late? did we lock down? you— did we lock down too late? did we lock down? you know , should we lock down? you know, should tave— we lock down? you know, should rave-a— we lock down? you know, should rave-a ttt— we lock down? you know, should have-a bit earlier- we lock down? you know, should have a bit earlier did have been a bit earlier or did we somtmue— have been a bit earlier or did we continue the— have been a bit earlier or did we continue the lockdown too muste— we continue the lockdown too musm r— we continue the lockdown too much? i think— we continue the lockdown too much? i think one things much? i think one of the things we—tte- much? i think one of the things we—tte tatal much? i think one of the things. we _the data since we have seen from the data since the we have seen from the data since tree-ot— we have seen from the data since tte-ot tre— we have seen from the data since tte-ot the wt— we have seen from the data since the-of the uk and- we have seen from the data since the of the uk and other the kind of the uk and other outres— the kind of the uk and other countries across— the kind of the uk and other countries across the world have gone— countries across the world have gorse-tre— countries across the world have gorse-tree twmg— countries across the world have gone the living with covid gone into the living with covid phases— gone into the living with covid omases we— gone into the living with covid phases, we continue have phases, we continue to have these— phases, we continue to have- these—must, these covid waves. they're much, must—are- much lower than what they are tesause— much lower than what they are tesause ot— much lower than what they are because of immunity across because of the immunity across the pooutatrou— because of the immunity across the population has been the population that has been tutt— the population that has been tuttt—temtl the population that has been. butt—teat to built up. but what you tend to trut— built up. but what you tend to tmtlttey— built up. but what you tend to tmtlttey go— built up. but what you tend to tmtltraey go up— built up. but what you tend to find they go up for about find is they go up for about tour— find is they go up for about tour or— find is they go up for about tour or s— find is they go up for about tour or s or— find is they go up for about four or 5 or 6— find is they go up for about four or 5 or 6 weeks. the cases, aut— four or 5 or 6 weeks. the cases, amt trea— four or 5 or 6 weeks. the cases, amt tteu trey— four or 5 or 6 weeks. the cases, and then they start— four or 5 or 6 weeks. the cases, and then they start coming back towa— and then they start coming back town—guestroo- and then they start coming backi down—question is, down again. and the question is, woutt— down again. and the question is, woutt-tawe— down again. and the question is, would have happened during would that have happened during the would that have happened during tree-amt— would that have happened during tree-ant tre— would that have happened during the and the second the first wave and the second wave without _ the first wave and the second wave without any— the first wave and the second wave without any interventions? you-tater— wave without any interventions? you - later evidence i you know, the later evidence woutt— you know, the later evidence would potentially, would suggest potentially, but otwousty— would suggest potentially, but otwousty we— would suggest potentially, but obviously we don't know. the mag— obviously we don't know. the tmmglme— obviously we don't know. the ttmglme ts— obviously we don't know. the thing-me is that- obviously we don't know. the thing me is that we thing for me is that when we trut— thing for me is that when we tmt ot— thing for me is that when we tmt ot gomg— thing for me is that when we kind of going into the kind of tater— kind of going into the kind of tater ou— kind of going into the kind of tater on m— kind of going into the kind of

later on in the— kind of going into the kind of later on in the pandemic, there atways— later on in the pandemic, there was always calls— later on in the pandemic, there was always calls for more and more interventions. and i think at tre— more interventions. and i think at the tast— more interventions. and i think at the back end— more interventions. and i think at the back end of— more interventions. and i think at the back end of 2021, boris johnson— at the back end of 2021, boris totmsou sart— at the back end of 2021, boris johnson said he— at the back end of 2021, boris johnson said he wouldn't mtrotuse— johnson said he wouldn't introduce interventions when introduce new interventions when the introduce new interventions when tree—were- introduce new interventions when tree—were saymg| the sage modellers were saying mat— the sage modellers were saying that we— the sage modellers were saying that we could— the sage modellers were saying that we could get— the sage modellers were saying that we could get significant teams— that we could get significant teams-ttt— that we could get significant teatts-ttt .— that we could get significant deaths-did , and- that we could get significant deaths did , and then we deaths if we did, and then we atte— deaths if we did, and then we were able-mark— deaths if we did, and then we were able mark homework were able to mark the homework mere.— were able to mark the homework mere—wreat- were able to mark the homework mere—what wel there. beth. beth and what we saw-este— there. beth. beth and what we saw-sow was- there. beth. beth and what we saw-93% was the- there. beth. beth and what we saw 93% was the deaths saw is that 93% was the deaths were lower than— saw is that 93% was the deaths were lower than what they were suggesttug— were lower than what they were suggestmg. so— were lower than what they were suggesting. so the difficulty when— suggesting. so the difficulty when you— suggesting. so the difficulty when you look— suggesting. so the difficulty when you look in retrospectively tast— when you look in retrospectively task as— when you look in retrospectively task as to— when you look in retrospectively back as to what— when you look in retrospectively back as to what was going to matters— back as to what was going to matters, tre— back as to what was going to happen, the evidence was suggestmg— happen, the evidence was suggestmg or— happen, the evidence was suggesting or the modelling was gutte— suggesting or the modelling was gutte stear— suggesting or the modelling was quite clear out. _ suggesting or the modelling was quite clear out. i've sat in quite clear out. so i've sat in in quite clear out. so i've sat in m mmtsters— quite clear out. so i've sat in in ministers rooms myself for my ttme— in ministers rooms myself for my ttme as— in ministers rooms myself for my ttme as a— in ministers rooms myself for my ttme as a stwt— in ministers rooms myself for my time as a civil servant. when you-re— time as a civil servant. when you-re grwmg— time as a civil servant. when you're giving them advice and you-re— you're giving them advice and you-re tattmg— you're giving them advice and you're talking through you're talking them through the tata. — you're talking them through the tata. -some— you're talking them through the tata. -some ot— you're talking them through the data. -some of the- data. so if some of the motettmg— data. so if some of the modelling that was coming out trom— modelling that was coming out tom-tre— modelling that was coming out trom-tte very- modelling that was coming out from the very start of from sage at the very start of tre— from sage at the very start of tree pautemts— from sage at the very start of the pandemic ,_ from sage at the very start of the pandemic , no— from sage at the very start of the pandemic , no doubt some the pandemic, no doubt some oottttstams— the pandemic, no doubt some politicians saying , well, politicians were saying, well, tow— politicians were saying, well, tow-stoo— politicians were saying, well, how- stop these - politicians were saying, well, how stop these doomsday how do we stop these doomsday sseuartos-ttg— how do we stop these doomsday scenarios big question, the scenarios? the big question, the sowe— scenarios? the big question, the cows mgurry— scenarios? the big question, the covid inquiry needs to look at for covid inquiry needs to look at tor—ts— covid inquiry needs to look at tor—ts tow- covid inquiry needs to look at for—is how good. covid inquiry needs to look ati for—is how good or for module two is how good or tat— for module two is how good or tat was— for module two is how good or tat tre— for module two is how good or bad was the modelling? because oottttstaus— bad was the modelling? because politicians wouldn't been politicians wouldn't have been suggestmg— politicians wouldn't have been suggesting lockdowns as if the motettmg— suggesting lockdowns as if the motettmg trey— suggesting lockdowns as if the modelling they were suggesting all modelling they were suggesting att these— modelling they were suggesting all these kind— modelling they were suggesting all these kind doomsday all these kind of doomsday scenarios weren't being oreseutet— scenarios weren't being

presented to- scenarios weren't being presented to them. so that's the srtttsat— presented to them. so that's the srtttsat ttmg— presented to them. so that's the critical thing-me. _ critical thing for me. beth i souttm-t— critical thing for me. beth i couldn't-more- critical thing for me. beth i couldn't more and actually couldn't agree more and actually the motettmg— couldn't agree more and actually the modelling unfortunately was likew— the modelling unfortunately was rte—ottl like, you say, was so wildly off to the — like, you say, was so wildly off to the imperial— like, you say, was so wildly off to the imperial college figures , oartrsutarty— to the imperial college figures , particularly at— to the imperial college figures , particularly at the beginning. were— , particularly at the beginning. were rust.— , particularly at the beginning. were tust. you— , particularly at the beginning. we're just, you know,- , particularly at the beginning. we're just, you know, they said it'd be half a million dead within a matter of months, effectively. and it was nowhere near that. do see david near that. at do you see david now in your practise, the people that you're treating now, do you feel a sense of frustration that you had cancers that were missed or treatments that are now backed delayed huge backed up and delayed huge waiting lists question on waiting lists and question on the damage that was done and whether it was really worth it . whether it was really worth it. golly and the first part of your guestroo— golly and the first part of your guesttou ts— a and the first part of your question is absolutely right . my question is absolutely right. my life question is absolutely right. my ttte ts— question is absolutely right. my ttte ts mow— question is absolutely right. my life is now full— question is absolutely right. my life is now full of— question is absolutely right. my life is now full of patients treat— life is now full of patients that are— life is now full of patients that are waiting huge long temgtts— that are waiting huge long teugtts ot— that are waiting huge long lengths of time for operations treat— lengths of time for operations that trey— lengths of time for operations that they presenting with cancers that _ that they presenting with cancers that are too late. and we tave— cancers that are too late. and we have a— cancers that are too late. and we have a health— cancers that are too late. and we have a health service that is tattmg— we have a health service that is tattmg apart— we have a health service that is falling apart because of the stress— falling apart because of the stress aut— falling apart because of the stress and the— falling apart because of the stress and the strain that we tat— stress and the strain that we tat turmg— stress and the strain that we had during covid. and then the uutertumtmg— had during covid. and then the underfunding and the extraordinary pressures that the was— extraordinary pressures that the was ts— extraordinary pressures that the was ts uter— extraordinary pressures that the nhs is under. so— extraordinary pressures that the nhs is under. so that part is

rtgtt— nhs is under. so that part is rtgtt .— nhs is under. so that part is rrgtt . tut— nhs is under. so that part is right . but really— nhs is under. so that part is right . but really there's lots right. but really there's lots of right. but really there's lots ot tata— right. but really there's lots ot tata out— right. but really there's lots of data out there which does suggest— of data out there which does suggest treat— of data out there which does suggest that we _ of data out there which does suggest that we were doing some of suggest that we were doing some ot tre— suggest that we were doing some ot the rtgtt— suggest that we were doing some of the right things. _ suggest that we were doing some of the right things. i mean, if you— of the right things. i mean, if you toot— of the right things. i mean, if you toot tor— of the right things. i mean, if you look for instance at the ttttereuse — you look for instance at the difference in— you look for instance at the difference in mortality between teoutttsau— difference in mortality between republican states in the usa and demosratts— republican states in the usa and democratic states,— republican states in the usa and democratic states, the republican _ democratic states, the republican states who've locked towa— republican states who've locked towu tate— republican states who've locked down late and— republican states who've locked down late and didn't really take any down late and didn't really take arty mottse— down late and didn't really take arty uottse ot— down late and didn't really take any notice of lockdown and had very— any notice of lockdown and had very tow— any notice of lockdown and had very low vaccination rates, they tat— very low vaccination rates, they tat a— very low vaccination rates, they had a mortality— very low vaccination rates, they had a mortality rate that was sow— had a mortality rate that was sow mgter— had a mortality rate that was 30% higher and— had a mortality rate that was 30% higher and economically, trey-we— 30% higher and economically, trey-we some— 30% higher and economically, they've come out— 30% higher and economically, they've come out of the come out of they've come out of the come out ot sowe— they've come out of the come out ot sown must— they've come out of the come out of covid much worse off than the demosratts— of covid much worse off than the democratic states. _ of covid much worse off than the democratic states. ”iii: democratic states. i'm not sure that's i'm not sure that's strictly true. is it, jamie? i might be wrong. i see florida as a as a very successful case in which there may have been slightly higher mortality perhaps amongst the elderly from covid. but when you look now and that's what the covid inquiry is about , you've got to look at the about, you've got to look at the cost and benefits of what they're dealing with this they're dealing with in this particular point. has their economy grown? there economy grown? are there young people mental health? people suffering mental health? are backed are their hospitals are backed up are? people pay up like ours are? can people pay their mortgages because the inflation's gone through the

roof? printing roof? because we were printing quantitative easing to allow people stay home? i think people to stay at home? i think it's simplistic say, it's too simplistic to say, well, at the mortality well, look at the mortality rate from window of from covid at that one window of time. well, ultimately , time. jamie well, ultimately, youe— time. jamie well, ultimately, you-e got— time. jamie well, ultimately, you-e got to— time. jamie well, ultimately, you've got to look— time. jamie well, ultimately, you've got to look at- a ti; well, ultimately, you've got to look at the troater— you've got to look at the broader thing,- you've got to look at the broader thing, which is all cause mortality over a number of years— cause mortality over a number of years amt— cause mortality over a number of years amt oue— cause mortality over a number of years amt ot— cause mortality over a number of years and one of the things that we to— years and one of the things that we to mow— years and one of the things that we do know from _ years and one of the things that we do know from the data is that sweteu— we do know from the data is that sweteu ts— we do know from the data is that sweteu ts a— we do know from the data is that sweden is a good— we do know from the data is that sweden is a good example where trey-we— sweden is a good example where trey-we got— sweden is a good example where trey-we got one— sweden is a good example where they've got one of— sweden is a good example where they've got one of the lowest excess mortality— they've got one of the lowest excess mortality across the wortt. — excess mortality across the wortt. wow.— excess mortality across the world. now, they- excess mortality across the world. \trif.r�*rt" r: ti“ a world. now, they didn't introduce the same measures that many countries did. they did have a of what you would have a lot of what you would call voluntary, kind of people deciding to restrict their movement and stuff. but ultimately sweden comes down. when you look at the excess deaths charts of the deaths charts as one of the lowest the world. and lowest across the world. and they measure they didn't have the measure that some countries across the world. looked you world. i haven't looked you know, countries know, there's so many countries in i haven't in different states. i haven't looked at the specific questions that dr. talking about that dr. david's talking about there but there and united states. but i think ultimately, the reckoning in of what covid in terms of what the covid inquiry to do is if inquiry really needs to do is if chris whitty is talking about the fact that this is a step, this is sort of a major step

with all the kind of the societal and economic harms module two is going to be very, very interesting. i'm sure you'll this your you'll be covering this on your of quite of your morning show quite regularly. on this , because regularly. bev, on this, because ultimately to understand ultimately we need to understand what wrong during the what we did wrong during the pandemic because if something happens get happens again, we've got to get things and, things much, much better. and, and for me, you know, one of the things we haven't really got to reckoning of, you know, reckoning in terms of, you know, the is science was the big thing is the science was saying we're following the science, but ultimately, were we following the science or is it a group thing mentality that we just did? what other countries did? we didn't think that we did? so we didn't think that we were out of we be were out of step. so we would be criticised for not doing certain measures? absolutely . measures? yeah, absolutely. well, remains to be seen well, it remains to be seen whether— well, it remains to be seen whether-feels- well, it remains to be seen- whether-feels satisfied whether anybody feels satisfied by the — whether anybody feels satisfied by the sow — whether anybody feels satisfied by the covid-but- by the covid inquiry, but i tmmt— by the covm inquiry, but i. think—another think we've got about another three— think we've got about another twee—aut- think we've got about another tree—ant at- think we've got about another. three—and at least three years to wait and at least to,— three years to wait and at least to-mttttou— three years to wait and at least 40,-million of— three years to wait and at least 40, million of taxpayers 40, £40 million of taxpayers money—merel 40, £40 million of taxpayers. money—there. but money before we get there. but geuttemem— money before we get there. but gemttemem we— money before we get there. but gentlemen, we barely scratched the gentlemen, we barely scratched tree—you- gentlemen, we barely scratched tte—you-soi the surface. thank you both so must— much for joining me this ewemmg. — much for joining me this evening. -know. much for joining me this evening. -know you evening. let me know what you ttmt— evening. let me know what you twat—you- evening. let me know what you ttrst—you tave- evening. let me know what youi think—you have any think at home. do you have any tatt— think at home. do you have any tattt twat— think at home. do you have any faith that the— think at home. do you have any faith that the covid inquiry is astuatty— faith that the covid inquiry is actually _what- faith that the covid inquiry is actually _what it. actually going to do what it meets— actually going to do what it mtemts-r— actually going to do what it intends-i just- actually going to do what it intends i just feel like intends to do? i just feel like tt-s— intends to do? i just feel like rt-s gomg— intends to do? i just feel like rt-s gomg-a— intends to do? i just feel like it's going-a bit- intends to do? i just feel like it's going-a bit of- intends to do? i just feel like it's going a bit of a it's going to be a bit of a whitewash,— it's going to be a bit of a whitewash,-asi it's going to be a bit of a-

whitewash,-aslsaid, whitewash, actually. as i said, a whitewash, actually. as i said, -asoermg- whitewash, actually. as i said, a covering exercise a backside covering exercise mayte—oeootel a backside covering exercise. maybe—people who maybe for a lot of people who weret— maybe for a lot of people who weren't-right.- maybe for a lot of people whoi weren't-right..you weren't involved. right. so you are—ttsteumg- weren't involved. right. so you are—listening to. are watching and listening to gb news.— are watching and listening to gb wews. sommg— are watching and listening to gb wews. sommg ug— are watching and listening to gb news. coming up next, my panel wttt— news. coming up next, my panel wit—to— news. coming up next, my panel wttt—to twat- news. coming up next, my panel will—to that debate. will be reacting to that debate wttt—amt- with david lloyd and statistician- with david lloyd and statistician jenkins with david lloyd and- statistician -jenkins . then statistician jamie jenkins. then it's pride week. oh, what you meant—rt- mean? haven't noticed? it startet— mean? haven't noticed? it startet m— mean? haven't noticed? it started in 1972.— mean? haven't noticed? it started in 1972. in uk is a started in1972. in the uk is a must— started in 1972. in the uk is a must ueetet— started in1972. in the uk is a much needed way— started in 1972. in the uk is a much needed way eradicate much needed way to eradicate tomoototta— much needed way to eradicate momooraotta .— much needed way to eradicate homophobia . libya. absolutely. homophobia. libya. absolutely. wow— homophobia. libya. absolutely. now to— homophobia. libya. absolutely. now to years— homophobia. libya. absolutely. now 50 years later , isn't it now 50 years later, isn't it ttme— now 50 years later, isn't it ttme to— now 50 years later, isn't it ttme to stop— now 50 years later, isn't it time to stop banging on about who— time to stop banging on about who oeoote— time to stop banging on about who people like— time to stop banging on about who people like to rub up agamst— who people like to rub up agamst m— who people like to rub up against in the— who people like to rub up against in the privacy of their tomes?— against in the privacy of their own homes? plus, can the duke of susse— own homes? plus, can the duke of susse eut— own homes? plus, can the duke of susse eat tre— own homes? plus, can the duke of sussex end the ukraine war by gettmg— sussex end the ukraine war by gettmg rutm— sussex end the ukraine war by getting putin on— sussex end the ukraine war by getting putin on the couch to explore— getting putin on the couch to exptore ms— getting putin on the couch to explore his inner— getting putin on the couch to explore his inner child ? this is explore his inner child? this is gb explore his inner child? this is st wews— explore his inner child? this is gb news, britain's news

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. wetsome— listening to gb news radio. welcome back. _ listening to gb news radio. welcome back. this- listening to gb news radio. welcome back. this is- listening to gb news radio. welcome back. this is bev turner here for one night only while lawrence is away . now, joining lawrence is away. now, joining me in the studio for the remainder of the show is rachel watkin, eco entrepreneur and conor tomlinson, political commentator. now before we kick

off some other other stories, i want to briefly get your thoughts on about the covid inquiry before we talk about the other just just about riffing, what we've been talking about then. rachel, you're a business owner. you're probably feeling these financial times these difficult financial times at the moment, are you? yes, we are. what you do and how are. tell us what you do and how it's so we were it's affecting you so we were connor and i were just talking about this earlier where when the lockdown first happened, some of the stuff we were deemed an essential business. so we kept open and some- an essential business. so we kept open and some of- u?" so we kept open and some of the it“ so we kept open and some of the staff to— kept open and some of the staff came to us and— kept open and some of the staff came to us and said, it's wrong, we stoutt— came to us and said, it's wrong, we should close.— came to us and said, it's wrong, we should close. and a we should close. and it's a oastagmg— we should close. and it's a packaging-eco- packaging business, eco packaging- _ packaging business, eco. packaging- -we packaging business, eco- packaging. -we sell to packaging. yeah. so we sell to toot— packaging. yeah. so we sell to food companies,— packaging. / so we sell to food companies, medical somamtes— food companies, medical somamtes .— food companies, medical companies . yeah. so the staff companies. yeah. so the staff sart— companies. yeah. so the staff satt we— companies. yeah. so the staff said we should— companies. yeah. so the staff said we should close down. it's mot— said we should close down. it's not rtgtt— said we should close down. it's not rrgtt. we— said we should close down. it's not right. we should be at home. so not right. we should be at home. so r— not right. we should be at home. so r sart— not right. we should be at home. so r satt, so— not right. we should be at home. so i said, so where— not right. we should be at home. so i said, so where is the money going— so i said, so where is the money gomg to— so i said, so where is the money gomg to some— so i said, so where is the money going to come from? they said, trom — going to come from? they said, trom tre— going to come from? they said, from the government, of course. i from the government, of course. r sart— from the government, of course. r satt, ves— from the government, of course. r satt, res tut— from the government, of course. i said, yes, but where from and, art— i said, yes, but where from and, ant-r— i said, yes, but where from and, ant-r sart— i said, yes, but where from and, ant-r satt to— i said, yes, but where from and, and-i said to them,- i said, yes, but where from and, and i said to them, but and when i said to them, but tt-s— and when i said to them, but tt-s sommg— and when i said to them, but it's coming from _ and when i said to them, but it's coming from your taxes and your— it's coming from your taxes and your art— it's coming from your taxes and your ant-postet- it's coming from your taxes and your and pocket and we're your and your pocket and we're going— your and your pocket and we're gomglte— your and your pocket and we're going-be paving— your and your pocket and we're going be paying this. for going to be paying for this. for years— going to be paying for this. for years-tttu-t— going to be paying for this. for years. didn't understand. years. they didn't understand. tut— years. they didn't understand.

tut-twat— years. they didn't understand. . and -that-government and i think that the government did and i think that the government ttt not— and i think that the government did not-everybody- and i think that the government did not everybody aware of did not make everybody aware of these— did not make everybody aware of these consequences. so in a way, you— these consequences. so in a way, you weret— these consequences. so in a way, you weren't frightened for whatever— you weren't frightened for whatever reason, you didn't ttmt— whatever reason, you didn't ttmt you— whatever reason, you didn't think you were— whatever reason, you didn't think you were all going to be toumt— think you were all going to be touut teat— think you were all going to be found dead in— think you were all going to be found dead in the warehouse one taye— found dead in the warehouse one taye — found dead in the warehouse one taye ute— found dead in the warehouse one taye trte ute— found dead in the warehouse one day? like like we— found dead in the warehouse one day? like like we saw- found dead in the warehouse one day? a day? like like we saw the footage that china primed us to believe we were all going to face plant in the street. and of course, lost their course, some people lost their lives to covid 19. of course they and i mean to be they did. and i don't mean to be disrespectful people. disrespectful to those people. however, of those however, the proportion of those responses for businesses, i guess as a business owner was was incorrect . i felt i had was incorrect. i felt i had a greater— ii i felt i had a greater responsibility motty to the start— greater responsibility motty to the staff for— greater responsibility motty to the staff for their mental treatm— the staff for their mental teattt tor— the staff for their mental health for from an economic potat— health for from an economic storm ot— health for from an economic storm ot wew— health for from an economic point of view to— health for from an economic point of view to stay open as ooposet— point of view to stay open as ooposet to— point of view to stay open as ooposet to not— point of view to stay open as opposed to not stay open . yeah, opposed to not stay open. yeah, we tat— opposed to not stay open. yeah, we tat a— opposed to not stay open. yeah, we tat a tot— opposed to not stay open. yeah, we had a lot of— opposed to not stay open. yeah, we had a lot of staff that were wortmg— we had a lot of staff that were wortmg trom — we had a lot of staff that were working from home and the mental treatm— working from home and the mental teattt — working from home and the mental health crisis. i'm— working from home and the mental health crisis. i'm still dealing wttt— health crisis. i'm still dealing wttt rt.— health crisis. i'm still dealing with it. yeah,— health crisis. i'm still dealing with it. yeah, still dealing wttt— with it. yeah, still dealing wttt tt. — with it. yeah, still dealing with it. every— with it. yeah, still dealing with it. cl: itit“”ti with it. yeah, still dealing with it. ttig sill with it. every parent is still deaung with it. every parent is still dealing with it. everybody is deaung dealing with it. everybody is dealing with it. everybody is dealing with it. everybody is dealing with it in some way, shape or form. and what i find staggermg— shape or form. and what i find staggermg m— shape or form. and what i find staggering in all— shape or form. and what i find staggering in all of— and what i find staggering in all of this is treat— staggering in all of this is that tre— staggering in all of this is that the scientific research is

mere— that the scientific research is there trom — that the scientific research is there from ian— that the scientific research is there from ian robin's study in zoos— there from ian robin's study in zoos atout— there from ian robin's study in 2008 about the— there from ian robin's study in 2008 about the effect of tsotattou— 2008 about the effect of isolation and _ 2008 about the effect of isolation and the fact that wrote— isolation and the fact that wtttm ts— isolation and the fact that within 48 hours people go mad. ream— within 48 hours people go mad. ream wett— within 48 hours people go mad. yeah, well, one— within 48 hours people go mad. yeah, well, one third of the ooputattom— yeah, well, one third of the population lives— yeah, well, one third of the population lives on their own. mat-s— population lives on their own. mat-s rtgtt— population lives on their own. that's right. so,— population lives on their own. that's right. so, yeah , but do that's right. so, yeah, but do you— that's right. so, yeah, but do you to— that's right. so, yeah, but do you to you— that's right. so, yeah, but do you do you have— that's right. so, yeah, but do you do you have any faith that the sowe— you do you have any faith that the covm inquiry— you do you have any faith that the covid inquiry under baroness wattett— the covid inquiry under baroness wattett ts— the covid inquiry under baroness wattett ts gomg— the covid inquiry under baroness hallett is going-at- the covid inquiry under baroness hallett is going at that hallett is going to look at that sort— hallett is going to look at that sort ot— hallett is going to look at that sort of decision?— hallett is going to look at that sort of decision? i— hallett is going to look at that sort of decision? i i would hope sort of decision? i i would hope so . aut— sort of decision? i i would hope so . mt t— sort of decision? i i would hope so . and i think— sort of decision? i i would hope so . and i think that the best so. and i think that the best treat— so. and i think that the best that we— so. and i think that the best that we sa— so. and i think that the best that we can hope for is that if we get— that we can hope for is that if we get m— that we can hope for is that if we ever get in that situation agatm— we ever get in that situation agatm twe— we ever get in that situation again, like black box thinking in again, like black box thinking to tre— again, like black box thinking in the aircraft— again, like black box thinking in the aircraft industry , we in the aircraft industry, we treat— in the aircraft industry, we that we— in the aircraft industry, we that we will— in the aircraft industry, we that we will learn from it and tree— that we will learn from it and tree-tave- that we will learn from it and tree-tawe a- that we will learn from it and then-have a more. then hopefully have a more roumtet— then hopefully have a more rounded view— then hopefully have a more rounded view next time . and if rounded view next time. and if mere— rounded view next time. and if there ts— rounded view next time. and if there ts a— rounded view next time. and if there is a next— rounded view next time. and if there is a next time, oh, there wttt— there is a next time, oh, there wttt te. — there is a next time, oh, there will be. world— there is a next time, oh, there will be. : will be. world health organisation. keep telling us it's minute now don't they it's any minute now don't they connor know connor like it's, you know it's not, it's when isn't not, it's not if it's when isn't it basically do you share rachel's concerns that we just, we, we burnt the house down. yeah. and i think it's going to be a whitewash. and the reason is be a whitewash. and the reason ts tt— be a whitewash. and the reason ts tt you— be a whitewash. and the reason ts rt you toot— be a whitewash. and the reason is if you look at— be a whitewash. and the reason is if you look at the— and the reason is if you look at the narrative that— is if you look at the narrative that starts— is if you look at the narrative that chris whitty— is if you look at the narrative that chris whitty is trying to put— that chris whitty is trying to out-trymg- that chris whitty is trying to out—trymg to- that chris whitty is trying to put trying to pass put out, he's trying to pass ttame— put out, he's trying to pass

ttame-tte- put out, he's trying to pass blame the politicians blame off onto the politicians aut— blame off onto the politicians ant-mate— blame off onto the politicians and-make the- blame off onto the politicians and make the experts and try and make the experts toot— and try and make the experts look credible,— and try and make the experts look credible, despite burning all-credibility- look credible, despite burning all-credibility .- look credible, despite burning all credibility . dodi all of their credibility. dodi tear— all of their credibility. dodi tearlmmt— all of their credibility. dodi bear-mind this- all of their credibility. dodi bear mind this was the man bear in mind this was the man who— bear in mind this was the man who-constant- who was in constant communication with anthony who was in constant— communication with anthony fauci over-us— communication with anthony fauci over-us wro— communication with anthony fauci over-us who-his- over in the us who led his gautemts— over in the us who led his pandemic response . anthony fauci pandemic response. anthony fauci we pandemic response. anthony fauci we—trauses— pandemic response. anthony fauci we-frances collins- we know with frances collins at— we know with frances collins at tre— we know with frances collins over at the national institute of over at the national institute ot—sem- over at the national institutei ot—seut-out over at the national institute. ot—seut-out to of health had sent emails out to outttsty— of health had sent emails out to publicly discredit— of health had sent emails out to publicly discredit in lay press outtets— publicly discredit in lay press outtets .— publicly discredit in lay press outlets . the— publicly discredit in lay press outlets . the authors of the outlets. the authors of the treat— outlets. the authors of the great barrington declaration who sat—to— great barrington declaration who said _ do targeted - said we should do targeted sttettmg— said we should do targeted sttettmg .— said we should do targeted shielding . they tried to say shielding. they tried to say these— shielding. they tried to sayi these—academics shielding. they tried to say- these_academics when shielding. they tried to say- thesewere-academics when shielding. they tried to say thesewere harvard,nics when they were from harvard, ganga, — they were from harvard, stanford, oxford . and we also stanford, oxford. and we also mow— stanford, oxford. and we also know treat— stanford, oxford. and we also know that over— stanford, oxford. and we also know that over in— stanford, oxford. and we also know that over in the uk had know that over in the uk we had sage— know that over in the uk we had sage—psychologicali sage trying to run psychological ooerattoms— sage trying to run psychological operattous om— sage trying to run psychological operations on the— sage trying to run psychological operations on the public, so trey-tt— operations on the public, so they'll weaponized they'll be weaponized behavioural- they'll be weaponized behavioural to they'll be weaponized- behavioural-to make behavioural science to make oeoote— behavioural science to make people terrified— behavioural science to make people terrified enough to stay at people terrified enough to stay| at_lockdowns at home despite the lockdowns not—wett- at home despite the lockdownsi not_ neil ferguson, not working. and neil ferguson, a-tas— not working. and neil ferguson, a-tas mts— not working. and neil ferguson, a has mis modelled every a man who has mis modelled every oautemts— a man who has mis modelled every pandemic recommended pandemic beforehand, recommended tosttowus— pandemic beforehand, recommended tosttowus. rte— pandemic beforehand, recommended lockdowns. the government has lockdowns. the government he has tattet— lockdowns. the government he has tattet-tesotte— failed upwards despite consistently- failed upwards despite consistently mismanaging pautemts— consistently mismanaging pandemic policy. and he said, wett— pandemic policy. and he said, war, we— pandemic policy. and he said, war, we saw— pandemic policy. and he said, well, we saw china did lockdowns,— well, we saw china did lockdowns, italy, lockdowns, we saw italy, tosttowm— lockdowns, we saw italy, lockdown lockdowns. lockdown did lockdowns. so we mew— lockdown did lockdowns. so we tmew—wtttl lockdown did lockdowns. so wel mew—wttt tt. knew we could get away with it. it knew we could get away with it. tt-mot— knew we could get away with it. tt-mot tust— knew we could get away with it. tt-mot tust tree— knew we could get away with it. it not just the politicians, it was not just the politicians, it - scientists - it was not just the politicians, it - scientists .well. i it was the scientists as well. aut— it was the scientists as well. mt trey— it was the scientists as well. and they terrified having and they are terrified of having 999 and they are terrified of having egg-tase. — and they are terrified of having egg-tase. wow.- egg on their face. now, otwtousty— egg on their face. now, obviously, those obviously, none of those people are defend themselves.

are here to defend themselves. what i would we have to say they might differently. but might see that differently. but what see is what i would love to see is those in of those people in front of baroness covid baroness hallett in the covid inquiry, and for her to ask her those sorts of questions she those sorts of questions is she going i think she going to do that? i i think she has the intention to. but i think considering- has the intention to. but i think considering the- i“ but i think considering the government i“ but i think ttryingering the government i“ but i think ttryingerirdo he government i“ but i think ttryingerirdo measuresment i“ but i think ttryingerirdo measures such keeps trying to do measures such as ttost— keeps trying to do measures such as ttost ter— keeps trying to do measures such as block her from— keeps trying to do measures such as block her from even looking at—tte- as block her from even looking at_the internalj at their whatsapps the internal communications— communications of pandemic oottsy— policy. at the time the government - government are terrified of tawmg— government are terrified of having the having any transparency to the putts— having any transparency to the outtts—tteyl public as to how badly they mtsmauaget— public as to how badly they mismanaged pandemic. t/tittit“ mismanaged the pandemic. yeah, taster.— mismanaged the pandemic. yeah, taster. tootmg— mismanaged the pandemic. yeah, rachel, looking at— mismanaged the pandemic. yeah, rachel, looking at the— mismanaged the pandemic. yeah, rachel, looking at the finances. sorry. going to sorry. go on. you were going to say something. i was chuckling to-eartter— say something. i was chuckling to-eartter at— say something. i was chuckling to-earlier at the- to myself earlier at the atsurttty— to myself earlier at the absurdity-67- to myself earlier at the absurdity 67 million people's absurdity of 67 million people's twes— absurdity of 67 million people's twes temg— absurdity of 67 million people's lives being controlled on a whiteboard— lives being controlled on a whiteboard .— lives being controlled on a whiteboard . yeah. you mean you whiteboard. yeah. you mean you mean in downing— whiteboard. yeah. you mean you mean in downing street at that ttmee — mean in downing street at that ttmee ttrs— mean in downing street at that time? this is— mean in downing street at that time? this is the— mean in downing street at that time? i“ g time? this is the glimpse that we're getting, isn't it? of the absolute satire . what do we do absolute satire. what do we do wttt— absolute satire. what do we do wttt et— absolute satire. what do we do with 67 million— ”ti what do we do with 67 million people? i know. tet-s— with 67 million people? i know. tet-s get— with 67 million people? i know. tet-s get a— with 67 million people? i know. let's get a whiteboard and a whatsapp— let's get a whiteboard and a whatsapp messages . /tit whatsapp messages. you know, ttteratty— whatsapp messages. you know, ttteratty ou— whatsapp messages. you know, literally on whatsapp messages . literally on whatsapp messages. what smiling emoji what do you think smiling emoji . i mean, it makes a mockery of the idea that somehow have , the idea that we somehow have, you know, brainiacs in power you know, the brainiacs in power making these decisions on our

behalf . if you realise they're behalf. if you realise they're just it . now, just sort of winging it. now, some say, well, of some people will say, well, of course were winging it. course they were winging it. they'd in pandemic they'd never been in a pandemic before. that's what before. but that's that's what frustrates because i knew frustrates me because i knew stuff knew that they stuff. you knew stuff that they clearly didn't know. but but what's clearly didn't know. but but whats eer— clearly didn't know. but but what's even more- flat t: t: i“ i but but what's even more staggering is if what's even more staggering is tt—tte— what's even more staggering is tt—tte ttstory- what's even more staggering is if_the history of. if you look at the history of vaccines and— if you look at the history of vaccines and vaccines for covid temg— vaccines and vaccines for covid were being created— vaccines and vaccines for covid were being created in the early zoos,— were being created in the early zoos, so— were being created in the early zoos, so trey— were being created in the early 2000, so they knew it was a oosstttttty. — 2000, so they knew it was a possibility. and _ 2000, so they knew it was a possibility. and if you ask insurance companies, i am sure insurance companies, i am sure insurance companies had some ttmt— insurance companies had some tmt ot— insurance companies had some kind of modelling— insurance companies had some kind of modelling they can esttmate— kind of modelling they can estimate-we're- kind of modelling they can estimate we're going to estimate when we're going to te— estimate when we're going to tte-sure— estimate when we're going to die.-sure that- estimate when we're going toi die.-sure that-had die. so i'm sure that they had motettmg— die. so i'm sure that they had modelling-what— die. so i'm sure that they had modelling what would happen modelling of what would happen in modelling of what would happen to a— modelling of what would happen to a oamtemts. — modelling of what would happen in a pandemic. / modelling of what would happen in a pandemic. t/tittit“ i“ in a pandemic. yeah. conor, in terms of the economy, this week and news that we've had of and the news that we've had of this interest to 5% is this interest rate up to 5% is just the 13th consecutive rise. and where we go next? get and where do we go next? get your little crystal ball out . your little crystal ball out. you're a clever lad. love you, conon you're a clever lad. love you, conor. i think you're brilliant. you're just so full conor. i think you're brilliant. yo knowledge just so full conor. i think you're brilliant. yo knowledge . just so full conor. i think you're brilliant. yo knowledge . well, so full conor. i think you're brilliant. yo knowledge . well, somebody has of knowledge. well, somebody has to well, where to love me. well, where do we go? economy go? where does the economy go next? look like, next? what does this look like, do you globally, do you think? globally, particularly? oh, think we've particularly? oh, i think we've cut particularly? oh, i think we've sut-mose— particularly? oh, i think we've sut-moseito— particularly? oh, i think we've cut-nose.to spite- cut our nose off to spite our tase— cut our nose off to spite our face, particularly— cut our nose off to spite our face, particularly the face, particularly in the wtrame— face, particularly in the ukraine conflict, because we've

attowet— ukraine conflict, because we've allowed-economic. ukraine conflict, because we've allowed economic bloc allowed a parallel economic bloc to—tttss— allowed a parallel economic bloc to—tttss .— allowed a parallel economic bloc to_brics , china,- to rise. that's brics, china, tussta— to rise. that's brics, china, tussta-amt- to rise. that's brics, china, russia,-and the- to rise. that's brics, china, russia, and the like. and russia, india and the like. and trey-we— russia, india and the like. and trey-we_the— russia, india and the like. and they've-the rare- russia, india and the like. and they've the rare earth they've got all the rare earth mmerats— they've got all the rare earth. minerals—gold, minerals they've got the gold, trey-we — minerals they've got the gold, they've -fossil- minerals they've got the gold, they've fossil fuels they've got the fossil fuels treat— they've got the fossil fuels that — they've got the fossil fuels that we're going to need have that we're going to need to have energy— that we're going to need to have energy-so— that we're going to need to have energy-so-tt- that we're going to need to have energy-so-tt you| energy security. so even if you went— energy security. so even if you went-renewables,- went with renewables, which tom-t— went with renewables, which tout—wort- went with renewables, which tout—wort tyl went with renewables, whichi don't—work by the don't particularly work by the way,— don't particularly work by the way, to — don't particularly work by the way, to try— don't particularly work by the way, to try aut— don't particularly work by the way, to try and isolate yourself trom — way, to try and isolate yourself trom tte — way, to try and isolate yourself from the global— way, to try and isolate yourself from the global gas market, then youe— from the global gas market, then youre gomg— from the global gas market, then youre gomg mave— from the global gas market, then you're going have to run to suma— you're going have to run to stoma-treat.— you're going have to run to china-that. so- you're going have to run to china that. so when this china for that. so when this somttst— china for that. so when this conflict—going. china for that. so when this conflict—going be conflict ends, we're going to be in conflict ends, we're going to be m-oresatous— conflict ends, we're going to be in precarious position . in a very precarious position. aut— in a very precarious position. tut—at- in a very precarious position. tut—at tre- and the orthodoxy at the treasury,— and the orthodoxy at the treasury, they're far more tosusset — treasury, they're far more focussed on _ treasury, they're far more focussed on central bank digital currencies. they can surveil every— currencies. they can surveil every stage— currencies. they can surveil every single interaction we do. merr— every single interaction we do. them ttxmg— every single interaction we do. then fixing their— every single interaction we do. then fixing their terrible monetary— then fixing their terrible monetary policy. since the 2008 sast— monetary policy. since the 2008 srasm-tas— monetary policy. since the 2008 crash, -has led _ monetary policy. since the 2008 crash, has led them to crash, which has led them to ormt— crash, which has led them to amt—over- crash, which has led them to print—over fist. crash, which has led them to. print—over fist and print money hand over fist and trey-re— print money hand over fist and now they're turning round and saytug— now they're turning round and saymg, om— now they're turning round and saying, oh, inflation is due to ortse— saying, oh, inflation is due to arse-wo— saying, oh, inflation is due to price-nou-nou- saying, oh, inflation is due to price-no,-no, no,- saying, oh, inflation is due to price no, no, no, no. price rises. no, no, no, no, no. mttattou— price rises. no, no, no, no, no. tmtattoultue— price rises. no, no, no, no, no. inflation-due to— price rises. no, no, no, no, no. inflation due to the amount inflation is due to the amount of inflation is due to the amount ot—tawe- inflation is due to the amount. of_have printed, of money you guys have printed, outstrtopmg—ot- of money you guys have printed, outstripping of goods of money you guys have printed, outstripjon] of goods of money you guys have printed, outstripjon offer. of goods of money you guys have printed, outstripjon offer. but of goods of money you guys have printed, outstripjon offer. but youyf goods of money you guys have printed, outstripjon offer. but you don'tds that are on offer. but you don't wear— that are on offer. but you don'tj hear—government hear that from the government tesause— hear that from the government tesause-tat- hear that from the government because-bad on- hear that from the government because bad on them. is because it looks bad on them. is that— because it looks bad on them. is that what— because it looks bad on them. is that what tt— because it looks bad on them. is that what it is? _ because it looks bad on them. is that what it is? is— because it looks bad on them. is that what it is? is that why we're not hearing it the we're not hearing it from the government? is that what i genuinely think you saw genuinely think when you saw james up james cleverly stand up and talk, it was yesterday talk, i think it was yesterday or before week or the day before this week about that we have this

about the fact that we have this inflation, these interest rises was because of ukraine. was was because of ukraine. and i genuinely i think does he genuinely believe he does believe that? does he just does he anything ? or is he he not know anything? or is he has he been told to say that? i think you have to trot out the party— think you have to trot out the party-we— think you have to trot out the party-we att— think you have to trot out the party we all know that party line. we all know that satmet— cabinet ministers have collective— cabinet ministers have collective responsibility and collective responsibility. and ttrs— collective responsibility. and trots-t— collective responsibility. and ttts-t-as- collective responsibility. and this- i -as well, i collective responsibility. and. this-i-as well, the this is why i think as well, the tosttowu— this is why i think as well, the lockdown—have- this is why i think as well, thei lockdown—have very lockdown inquiry will have very ttttte— lockdown inquiry will have very ttme—.— lockdown inquiry will have very ttttte—lorettyl little consequence. ice pretty must— little consequence. ice pretty much - politician - little consequence. ice pretty much politician was on much every politician was on boat— much every politician was on boat-every- much every politician was on board every single board with it, every single oottttstau— board with it, every single| politician—party politician from every party wotet— politician from every party voted _there's| politician from every party- voted _there's maybe voted in lockstep. there's maybe a tauttut— voted in lockstep. there's maybe a handful-mps_ voted in lockstep. there's maybe a handful-mps like- voted in lockstep. there's maybe a handful mps like miriam a handful of mps like miriam sates— a handful of mps like miriam sates aut— a handful of mps like miriam cates and chris— a handful of mps like miriam cates and chris chope that said ttrs— cates and chris chope that said ttts mtgtt— cates and chris chope that said ttts mtgtt-te— cates and chris chope that said this might-be the- cates and chris chope that said this might be the best idea, this might not be the best idea, guys-— this might not be the best idea, guys-trey— this might not be the best idea, guysltraey sawt— this might not be the best idea, guys. they can't each guys. so they can't hit each otter— guys. so they can't hit each other—don't- guys. so they can't hit each| other—don't want other on it. they don't want tramsoareusy— other on it. they don't want transparency because if one goes towm— transparency because if one goes town-att— transparency because if one goes towm-att tave— transparency because if one goes down,-all have to- transparency because if one goes down, all have to down down, they all have to go down by tre— down, they all have to go down by the-standard. - down, they all have to go down by the standard. “i by the same standard. rachel, vou— by the same standard. rachel, you-i— by the same standard. rachel, yoult say.— by the same standard. rachel, yoult say. you-we— by the same standard. rachel, you i say, you've your you as i say, you've got your business. managing business. you're still managing now, as hard now, presumably. is it as hard as known it run as you've ever known it to run a business with the costs? so what i found staggering— business with the costs? so what i found staggering was- i“ so what i found staggering was yesterday mommg— i found staggering was yesterday mommg-tte— i found staggering was yesterday morning the politicians morning when the politicians saymg— morning when the politicians were saying it's— morning when the politicians were saying it's a surprise atout— were saying it's a surprise atout tre— were saying it's a surprise about the inflation still being at st.— about the inflation still being at st. aut— about the inflation still being at 8.4. and i'm— about the inflation still being at 8.4. and i'm sitting there stusttmg— at 8.4. and i'm sitting there stusttmg to— at 8.4. and i'm sitting there chuckling to myself, going , yes, chuckling to myself, going, yes, but chuckling to myself, going, yes, tut twat-s— chuckling to myself, going, yes, but that's because— chuckling to myself, going, yes, but that's because you forced a taste— but that's because you forced a stew gay— but that's because you forced a 9.6% pay se— but that's because you forced a 9.6% pay ou— but that's because you forced a 9.6% pay rise on the minimum wage— 9.6% pay rise on the minimum wage .— 9.6% pay rise on the minimum

wage , wrist— 9.6% pay rise on the minimum wage , which then— 9.6% pay rise on the minimum wage , which then has to go up wage, which then has to go up trough— wage, which then has to go up through tre— wage, which then has to go up through the ranks— wage, which then has to go up through the ranks because otterwtse— through the ranks because otherwise the _ through the ranks because otherwise the gaps aren't enough tetweeu— otherwise the gaps aren't enough tetweeu tre— otherwise the gaps aren't enough between the levels— otherwise the gaps aren't enough between the levels of management . at between the levels of management . at so— between the levels of management . at so tow— between the levels of management . at so tow ts— between the levels of management . at so how is that— between the levels of management . at so how is that not going to teat— . at so how is that not going to teat to— . at so how is that not going to lead to inflation— . at so how is that not going to lead to inflation and how is that— lead to inflation and how is that not— lead to inflation and how is that not going— lead to inflation and how is that not going to end up putting all that not going to end up putting att ot— that not going to end up putting att ot tre— that not going to end up putting all of the pressure— that not going to end up putting all of the pressure on the small tusmesses?— all of the pressure on the small businesses? what— all of the pressure on the small businesses? what do you need them — businesses? what do you need ttem to— businesses? what do you need them to to— businesses? what do you need them to do now? _ businesses? what do you need them to do now? : them to do now? i need them to our council tax bill on our on our council tax bill on our on our premises has gone up by 56. wow . where's that in the wow. where's that in the country? where abouts? sussex okay. 56. so i need the government— okay. 56. so i need the government to. - 56. so i need the government to. to take a much wtter— government to. to take a much wider perspective _ government to. to take a much wider perspective for smaller tusmess— wider perspective for smaller business and— wider perspective for smaller business and give them the aid that— business and give them the aid that trey— business and give them the aid that they need.— business and give them the aid that they need. what about somettmg— that they need. what about something like— that they need. what about something like what else would help— something like what else would help you— something like what else would help you because— something like what else would help you because i'm thinking something like what else would helthetu because i'm thinking something like what else would helthe hospitality i'm thinking something like what else would helthe hospitality industryling for the hospitality industry oarttsutarty— for the hospitality industry particularly, i— for the hospitality industry particularly, i feel my heart treats— particularly, i feel my heart treats tor— particularly, i feel my heart breaks for pub— particularly, i feel my heart breaks for pub landlords, restaurateurs, _ breaks for pub landlords, restaurateurs, chefs at the momem — restaurateurs, chefs at the momem t— restaurateurs, chefs at the moment. ithink- restaurateurs, chefs at the moment. i think that is the industry that we're going to see collapse in the next six months. vat corporation you know vat corporation tax. do you know what small what would help small businesses? government is soeutmg— businesses? government is soeutmglsmatt- , government is spending small businesses spending on small businesses rather— spending on small businesses ratter trau— spending on small businesses rather than tenders going to rather than the tenders going to the-corporations- rather than the tenders going to the corporations where the large corporations where mere— the large corporations where mere-even—

the large corporations where mere-even a— the large corporations where there even a proper there isn't even a proper teutermg— there isn't even a proper tendering process ? how much do tendering process? how much do trey— tendering process? how much do they spent— tendering process? how much do they spent om— tendering process? how much do they spend on the— tendering process? how much do they spend on the boats for tmmtgramts— they spend on the boats for immigrants ?_ they spend on the boats for immigrants ? yes. yeah. there was immigrants? yes. yeah. there was no temtermg— immigrants? yes. yeah. there was no tendering process. if some of treat— no tendering process. if some of that money— no tendering process. if some of that money was— no tendering process. if some of that money was spent and given tarry— that money was spent and given tatrty to— that money was spent and given fairly to small— that money was spent and given fairly to small businesses . that money was spent and given fairly to small businesses. huge tttteremse. — fairly to small businesses. huge difference. but— fairly to small businesses. huge difference. but that's the plan ttougm— difference. but that's the plan though, innit? _ difference. but that's the plan though, innit? i though, innit? conor isn't that the plan ? just bankrupt the the plan? just bankrupt the small businesses so that the corporations we have top , top corporations we have top, top down of financial system. down kind of financial system. well yeah, that's why they sreate— well yeah, that's why they create preferential legislation aount— create preferential legislation asmt-.— create preferential legislation arount-. t— create preferential legislation around . i remember dawn around them. i remember dawn nutter— around them. i remember dawn nutter so— around them. i remember dawn butler so she's— around them. i remember dawn butler so she's going to otwousty— butler so she's going to obviously have a large role in me— obviously have a large role in the incumbent— obviously have a large role in the incumbent labour government so wat— the incumbent labour government so tnatineet— the incumbent labour government so tnatineet a— the incumbent labour government so that need a career so that we need a career essatator— so that we need a career escalator rather a career escalator rather than a career tatter— escalator rather than a career ladder-selected- escalator rather than a career ladder selected preferential ladder for selected preferential classes. -word - ladder for selected preferential classes. -word for- ladder for selected preferential classes. word for word classes. that's word for word tne— classes. that's word for word me me — classes. that's word for word the esg framework that we were soeattng — speaking about before environmental speaking about before - environmental-governance environmental social governance ssores|tnat-s— environmental social governance scoresithat's -what - scores. that's that's what all me— scores. that's that's what all tne-netge— scores. that's that's what all the-hedge-are- scores. that's that's what all- the-hedge-are throwing the big hedge funds are throwing stusn—tne— the big hedge funds are throwing stusn—tne ttg- slush money all the big corporations— slush money all the big corporations are. and what they want— corporations are. and what they want ts— corporations are. and what they want ts tne— corporations are. and what they want is the -to - corporations are. and what they want is the -to be- corporations are. and what they want is the to be in want is the market to be in toststeo— want is the market to be in lockstep.ideas- want is the market to be in lockstep ideas they want to lockstep on ideas they want to tney— lockstep on ideas they want to tney want— lockstep on ideas they want to tney want to — lockstep on ideas they want to they want to pick— lockstep on ideas they want to they want to pick and play tawourttes— they want to pick and play favourites with _ they want to pick and play favourites with best mates favourites with their best mates and favourites with their best mates ant—nave- favourites with their best mates ant—nave no- favourites with their best mates and have no option and so that you have no option tut—setest- but to buy from this select group— but to buy from this select group ot— but to buy from this select group of people . o“ but to buy from this select- group of people . oh, truth bombs group of people. oh, truth bombs left, right and centre. thank

you both so much. we're going to take a quick break now. you may have noticed that you can't walk into supermarket. into a supermarket. estate agents charity agents, bookies, charity shop wherever a train wherever you go, catch a train or anywhere. frankly, without or go anywhere. frankly, without pride being advertised. it's like easter, valentine's day. but do we still need to support it? we'll find out in just a moment

more unsettled, but also a ttttte— more unsettled, but also a ttttte ttt— more unsettled, but also a little bit fresher by by in a wont— little bit fresher by by in a wortt ot— little bit fresher by by in a world of dull— little bit fresher by by in a world of dull and predictable ratto— world of dull and predictable ratto ant— world of dull and predictable radio and tv— world of dull and predictable radio and tv shows. 0“ i“ world of dull and predictable radio and tv shows. 0“ “ tir“ radio and tv shows. oh hi on wart— radio and tv shows. oh hi on mark dolan tonight we've got big guests. we drill in to the big stones— guests. we drill in to the big stortes ot— guests. we drill in to the big stories of the— guests. we drill in to the big stories of the day.— 3 we drill in to the big stories of the day. the show atts— stories of the day. the show atts un— stories of the day. the show atts up to— stories of the day. the show atts up to a— stories of the day. the show adds up to a brilliant listening ant— adds up to a brilliant listening ant wewtng— adds up to a brilliant listening and viewing experience marked rotant. — and viewing experience marked poland. tonight— and viewing experience marked poland. tonight is the most entertatntng— poland. tonight is the most entertaining current affairs snow— entertaining current affairs show ever, and— entertaining current affairs show ever, and that's a fact. tnat-s— show ever, and that's a fact. tnat-s wart— show ever, and that's a fact. that's mark dolan tonight trttay— that's mark dolan tonight friday, saturday and sunday from stoo— friday, saturday and sunday from moo onty— friday, saturday and sunday from moo onty on— friday, saturday and sunday from stes onty on se— friday, saturday and sunday from 9:00 only on gb news britain's news . channel— 9:00 only on gb news britain's news . channel join me camilla news. channel join me camilla tomtney— news. channel join me camilla tomtney trom— news. channel join me camilla tominey from 9.30 on sunday morntng— tominey from 9.30 on sunday morntng wnen— tominey from 9.30 on sunday morning when i'll be asking tormer— morning when i'll be asking former chancellor kwasi kwarteng

why former chancellor kwasi kwarteng wny nrttatn— former chancellor kwasi kwarteng wny nrttatn ts— former chancellor kwasi kwarteng why britain is fast— former chancellor kwasi kwarteng why britain is fast becoming the west-s— why britain is fast becoming the west's inflation— why britain is fast becoming the west's inflation monster. is trusssnomtss— west's inflation monster. is trussonomics really- west's inflation monster. is trussonomics really to - west's inflation monster. is trussonomics really to blame ? trussonomics really to blame? and i'll be joined in the studio by tony abbott, australia's former prime minister, to discuss how he stopped the boats and whether conservatism is dying, not just in britain but around the world. whatever you do . that music doesn't really go do. that music doesn't really go with my flowery dress, does it? now i am bev turner in for tauee tox— now i am bev turner in for laurence fox tonight. you've be getttng— laurence fox tonight. you've be getttng tn— laurence fox tonight. you've be getting in touch— laurence fox tonight. you've be getting in touch with your tnougnts. — getting in touch with your thoughts. thank you. and peter says—agree- says, bev, i don't agree with everytntng—tnl says, bev, i don't agree withi everything—in the everything you've said in the past. — everything you've said in the past. _.ggm,- everything you've said in the past. right, peter. past. that's all right, peter. tnat-s— past. that's all right, peter. mats-tm— past. that's all right, peter. that's-i'm here,- past. that's all right, peter. that's i'm here, because that's why i'm here, because i towe— that's why i'm here, because i towe tnts— that's why i'm here, because i love this channel— that's why i'm here, because i love this channel for that. but tontgtt— love this channel for that. but tontgnt,—tt.- tonight, you nailed it. brilliant.— brilliant. thank you. the women— brilliant. thank you. the problem guess brilliant. thank you. the- problem .guess-covid problem is, i guess the covid tngutry— problem is, i guess the covid inquiry-address- problem is, i guess the covid inquiry address any of inquiry will not address any of your—you- inquiry will not address any of- your—you epose your comments unless you expose tnem. — your comments unless you expose tnem. -up— your comments unless you expose tnem. -up-goot- your comments unless you expose them. -up-good work.- them. keep up the good work. i try. stepnen— them. keep up the good work. i try. stepnen nas— them. keep up the good work. i try. stephen has said this is atout— try. stephen has said this is atout our— try. stephen has said this is about our next— try. stephen has said this is about our next conversation , about our next conversation, wntsn— about our next conversation, which actually— about our next conversation, which actually tees it up ntsety. — which actually tees it up nicely. being— which actually tees it up nicely. being gay is about not atout— nicely. being gay is about not wear, about about where you put your— wear, about about where you put your pnwate — wear, about about where you put your pnwate parts.— wear, about about where you put your private parts. why are you retustng— your private parts. why are you retustnglto— your private parts. why are you retustnglto to—

your private parts. why are you reducinglto to us,— your private parts. why are you reducing to to us, sex. you reducing it to to us, sex. you sart— reducing it to to us, sex. you satt rts— reducing it to to us, sex. you said it's primarily about orient watton— said it's primarily about orient watton not— said it's primarily about orient nation, not sex.— said it's primarily about orient nation, not sex. the freedom to be you. — nation, not sex. the freedom to be you. tne— nation, not sex. the freedom to be you. the freedom to love treetom— be you. the freedom to love freedom from _ be you. the freedom to love freedom from prejudice and discrimination.— freedom from prejudice and discrimination. i am gay, but if i.itut_ discrimination. i am gay, but if t-put tn— discrimination. i am gay, but if t-put tn-ot- discrimination. i am gay, but if i-put in-of pride. i was put in charge of pride i woutt— i was put in charge of pride i would emphasise that the above tyro— would emphasise that the above kyiv interesting.— would emphasise that the above kyiv interesting. let's start our conversation then about prtte— our conversation then about prtte on— our conversation then about prtte on tnat. — our conversation then about pride on that. conor. i'll come to you. — pride on that. conor. i'll come to you. tne— pride on that. conor. i'll come to you. the first— pride on that. conor. i'll come to you. the first pride 1972 in tne— to you. the first pride 1972 in me tn— to you. the first pride 1972 in me tn tne— to you. the first pride 1972 in the in the uk— to you. the first pride 1972 in the in the uk do— to you. the first pride 1972 in the in the uk do we still need it the in the uk do we still need tt no— the in the uk do we still need tt tor— the in the uk do we still need it now for what— the in the uk do we still need it now for what reason is my guestton— it now for what reason is my guestton — it now for what reason is my question now? \ttijitrt" it now for what reason is my question now? my...» it now for what reason is my question now? \ttijtrt" i tir“ question now? now i my objection to pride is with the lgbtq+ acronym that ever seems to expand . they put all these expand. they put all these identities under one umbrella. this is why the lgb alliance have tried to break away from the tk, which is a gender identity from sexuality. this is something that the viewer just said they're for gay people. it's a private matter, right? yeah i'm not politically interested in hearing about it, but if you're not hurting anyone, quote unquote, whatever, i can't do anything about that. the tk+ the idea that one gender identity can change your biological sex by thought is a

faulty premise . and all of the faulty premise. and all of the medical established that all of the activist networks that push trans surgery, trans affirmation hormones and that as the way of addressing gender dysphoria is doing a grave disservice to people that are suffering from that. people i've spoken to and have befriended. you look at the studies, they funded by the studies, they are funded by the companies decide to produce companies that decide to produce the drugs that they're on the drugs, drugs that they're on for life, but doesn't it but doesn't the trans having the trans community, i don't really like that word. but, you know, the like that word. but, you know, me ttea— like that word. but, you know, me ttea ot— like that word. but, you know, the idea of trans— e : but, you know, the idea of trans people being mtngtet— the idea of trans people being mtngtet tn— the idea of trans people being mingled in with— the idea of trans people being mingled in with gay people , i mingled in with gay people, i ton-t— mingled in with gay people, i don't whether— mingled in with gay people, i don't whether you're a lesbian, ttsexuat— don't whether you're a lesbian, ttsexuat, gay,— don't whether you're a lesbian, bisexual, gay, like— don't whether you're a lesbian, bisexual, gay, like you say, i ton-t— bisexual, gay, like you say, i ton-t mtnt— bisexual, gay, like you say, i don't mind whatever that's tnat-s— don't mind whatever that's was part— don't mind whatever that's tnat-s pan ot— don't mind whatever that's that's part of the problem with page,— that's part of the problem with page, tsn-t— that's part of the problem with pride, isn't it?— that's part of the problem with pride, isn't it? that's why it gets— pride, isn't it? that's why it gets wnt— pride, isn't it? that's why it gets ttnt ot— pride, isn't it? that's why it gets kind of mixed up in what peopte— gets kind of mixed up in what peopte see— gets kind of mixed up in what peopte as— gets kind of mixed up in what people see as being slightly sort— people see as being slightly sort ot— people see as being slightly more sort of pernicious ideology , pantsutarty— more sort of pernicious ideology , particularly around children , , particularly around children, tesause— , particularly around children, because as our— , particularly around children, because as our lovely messenger tnere— because as our lovely messenger tnere sart— because as our lovely messenger there said, this— because as our lovely messenger there said, this is— because as our lovely messenger there said, this is supposed to be there said, this is supposed to te atout— there said, this is supposed to be about celebration. it's about treetom— be about celebration. it's about freedom. whereas— be about celebration. it's about freedom. whereas actually trans

ttenttty— freedom. whereas actually trans identity could _ freedom. whereas actually trans identity could much more easily be rootst— identity could much more easily be rootet tn— identity could much more easily be rooted in something that is ot— be rooted in something that is ot a— be rooted in something that is more of a mental— be rooted in something that is more of a mental health problem , tte— more of a mental health problem , we, say,— more of a mental health problem , we, say, a— more of a mental health problem , like, say, a gender— more of a mental health problem , like, say, a gender dysphoria prottem. — , like, say, a gender dysphoria problem. yeah,— , like, say, a gender dysphoria problem. / , like, say, a gender dysphoria problem. t/tittit“ �*" problem. yeah, well, as well, if you're attracted to the same sex and you can say you can change your gender just by thinking about to self about it, they seem to self contradict mind. the contradict in my mind. the unfortunate is as well unfortunate thing is as well kink been encompassed kink has now been encompassed into keep into pride because they keep expanding acronym and so in expanding the acronym. and so in order to be liberated, in order to be in to order not to be free, in to order not oppress anyone, we have to tolerate people doing sordid things middle the things in the middle of the street people have brought street where people have brought their to their children along to feel inclusive . kyiv that doesn't inclusive. kyiv that doesn't create wholesome create a very wholesome civilisation so it's civilisation either. and so it's no particularly no wonder that particularly in america, rates of same sex america, the rates of same sex marriage or same sex partnership acceptance fallen by about acceptance has fallen by about 7% the last year because 7% in the last year because people seeing these videos people were seeing these videos routinely of whether it's drag queen pride queen story hour or pride parades that's parades and gone well, that's just no thank you. just disgusting. no thank you. you shouldn't be walking around at middle at a dog costume in the middle of day. so. so other of the day. so. so in other worst— of the day. so. so in other worst wnat— of the day. so. so in other words, what you're- ting so. so in other words, what you're saying is tnere-s— words, what you're saying is there's-people- words, what you're saying is there's people are there's kind of people are getttng— there's kind of people are- getttng—nattng there's kind of people are- gett people—hating there's kind of people are- gettpeople in-hating there's kind of people are- gettpeople in a-hating there's kind of people are gettpeople in a way hating there's kind of people are

gettpeople in a way thatiating there's kind of people are gett people in a way that they] gay people in a way that they nawen-t— gay people in a way that they haven't done— gay people in a way that they haven't done before because a lot haven't done before because a tot ot— haven't done before because a tot ot tne— haven't done before because a lot of the material, rachel , lot of the material, rachel, arount— lot of the material, rachel, around this— lot of the material, rachel, around this celebration now is pretty— around this celebration now is pretty eteme— around this celebration now is pretty extreme in— around this celebration now is pretty extreme in terms of your seuat— pretty extreme in terms of your sexual palette— pretty extreme in terms of your sexual palette ,_ pretty extreme in terms of your sexual palette , not your sexual palette, not your personat— sexual palette, not your personal sexual palette . we've personal sexual palette. we've onty— personal sexual palette. we've onty tust— personal sexual palette. we've onty tust met.— personal sexual palette. we've onty tust met. t— personal sexual palette. we've only just met. i mean, that woutt— only just met. i mean, that woutt te— only just met. i mean, that woutt be a— only just met. i mean, that would be a terrible specular notton— would be a terrible specular notton. nut— would be a terrible specular notion. but i— would be a terrible specular notion. but i guess what kind of potnt— notion. but i guess what kind of potnt ts— notion. but i guess what kind of potnt ts, you— notion. but i guess what kind of point is, you know— notion. but i guess what kind of point is, you know ,_ notion. but i guess what kind of point is, you know , do we need point is, you know, do we need it point is, you know, do we need tt-e— point is, you know, do we need tt-e so— point is, you know, do we need tt-e so t— point is, you know, do we need tt-e so t am— point is, you know, do we need it ? so i am probably from it simply? so i am probably from a trom— it simply? so i am probably from a trom a— it simply? so i am probably from a trom a very— it simply? so i am probably from a from a very different standpoint. - a from a very different standpoint. '“t: a from a very different standpoint. “t: a from a very different- standpoint. and that's because my stepfather transitioned in 1972. wow a very he was ahead of the curve . he was ahead of the the curve. he was ahead of the curve and had he probably been able to be himself, he would probably have come out as gay rather than going to the length of transitioning , which back of transitioning, which back then. okay just just was no . then. okay just just was no. very rare. yeah. and as part of the result of that, we were taken into care because it was deemed by social services that being with a transition parent was , was just just no . and so,

was, was just just no. and so, so from the point of view of raising awareness and allowing people to be themselves in whatever capacity, i think it's great that people should be allowed to be themselves and from a commercial point of view, being a small business owner, if people want to buy the merchandise, then let's let's let them because at least it stimulates the economy in some way. do have lots of eco way. so do you have lots of eco trtentty— way. so do you have lots of eco friendly,-rainbow- so do you have lots of eco friendly, rainbow boxes? friendly, stripey rainbow boxes? is friendly, stripey rainbow boxes? ts-wnat— friendly, stripey rainbow boxes? ts-wnat you-re— friendly, stripey rainbow boxes? is what you're saying ? i'm is that what you're saying? i'm mtsstng— is that what you're saying? i'm mtsstng rt.— is that what you're saying? i'm mtsstng tt. — is that what you're saying? i'm mtsstng rt. tm— is that what you're saying? i'm missing it. “g gitit “ missing it. i'm missing a gap in the you really are, the market. you really are, tesause— the market. you really are,- because—cashing because everyone else is cashing in because everyone else is cashing me—weonery- because everyone else is cashing me—weonery ant- in on it. yeah, everyone. and i tntnt— in on it. yeah, everyone. and i tntnt-part— in on it. yeah, everyone. and i tntnt-part ot— in on it. yeah, everyone. and i think-part of the- think that's part of the prottem— think that's part of the problem, isn't it? that some gay peopte— problem, isn't it? that some gay peopte-saytng,— problem, isn't it? that some gay people saying, well, hang people are saying, well, hang on, people are saying, well, hang rts— people are saying, well, hang tt-s tost— people are saying, well, hang on, it's lost its— people are saying, well, hang on, it's lost its true meaning. rts— on, it's lost its true meaning. it's-christmas,- on, it's lost its true meaning. it's christmas, lost it's like christmas, it's lost its it's like christmas, it's lost tts—tt-sl it's like christmas, it's lost. tts—tt-s tust its true meaning now it's just all its true meaning now it's just art-stutt— its true meaning now it's just art-stun you- its true meaning now it's just all-stuff you can. its true meaning now it's just all stuff you can buy all about the stuff you can buy every.— all about the stuff you can buy every. t— all about the stuff you can buy every. t mean— all about the stuff you can buy every. t t— all about the stuff you can buy every. i mean, i down the every. i mean, i walk down the street—my- every. i mean, i walk down the street—my tz- every. i mean, i walk down the street—my 12 year. every. i mean, i walk down thei street—my 12 year old street today with my 12 year old in twickenham _ street today with my 12 year old in twickenham and we walk down every— in twickenham and we walk down every state— in twickenham and we walk down every state agent— in twickenham and we walk down every state agent window. i mean, even all— every state agent window. i mean, even all the zebra srosstnsg — mean, even all the zebra crossings. now,- mean, even all the zebra crossings. now, like who's stanttng— crossings. now, like who's stanttng up— crossings. now, like who's standing up the zebras? like standing up for the zebras? like everytntng— standing up for the zebras? like everytntng-ant- standing up for the zebras? like everything-and i- standing up for the zebras? like everything and i sort everything is stripey and i sort of everything is stripey and i sort ot sart— everything is stripey and i sort ot satt to— everything is stripey and i sort of said to her,— everything is stripey and i sort of said to her, i— everything is stripey and i sort of said to her, i said, all i can see is rainbows everywhere. ant— can see is rainbows everywhere. ant sne— can see is rainbows everywhere. ant sne sart— can see is rainbows everywhere. and she said, mommy, have and she said, mommy, you have to. and she said, mommy, you have

to-weet— and she said, mommy, you have to-weet no- and she said, mommy, you have to-weet .- and she said, mommy, you have to-weet . t- and she said, mommy, you have to. week now . i don't to. it's pride week now. i don't mow— to. it's pride week now. i don't know now— to. it's pride week now. i don't know now to— to. it's pride week now. i don't know how to have— to. it's pride week now. i don't know how to have that conversation - know how to have that conversation with her because sne — conversation with her because sne toesn-t— conversation with her because she doesn't - and - conversation with her because she doesn't and friends she doesn't her and her friends tntnt— she doesn't her and her friends tntnt tts— she doesn't her and her friends think it's completely normal to be think it's completely normal to te-wny— think it's completely normal to te-wny wny— think it's completely normal to te-wny wny to— think it's completely normal to be why why do they why do be gay. why why do they why do we—to— be gay. why why do they why do we—to mate- be gay. why why do they why do we_to make them. we feel the need to make them setetratee— we feel the need to make them celebrate?-are?- we feel the need to make themi celebrate?-are?-are. celebrate? what we are? we are. we celebrate? what we are? we are. we-tnow— celebrate? what we are? we are. we-tnow ts— celebrate? what we are? we are. we-tnow ts a— celebrate? what we are? we are. we know is a natural state we now know is a natural state of we now know is a natural state ot tetng— we now know is a natural state ot tetng .— we now know is a natural state ot tetng . po— we now know is a natural state ot tetng . do you— we now know is a natural state of being . do you see what of being. do you see what i meant— of being. do you see what i tts— of being. do you see what i mean? it's like.— of being. do you see what i mean? it's like. like me celebrating— mean? it's like. like me celebrating being tall. i can't do celebrating being tall. i can't to anytntng— celebrating being tall. i can't do anything about it. it's just wno—tnere-s- do anything about it. it's just wno—tnere-s. i do anything about it. it's justi who—there's. this who i am. well, there's. this is where— who i am. well, there's. this is where-sexua— who i am. well, there's. this is where sexual component where the sexual component comes in, why they've in, and this is why they've attached kink all these attached kink and all these sorts in because sorts of things in is because there not gay there are people who are not gay people things behind people doing things behind closed ashamed closed doors. they are ashamed about. closed doors. they are ashamed about . so attach about. and so they attach themselves pride themselves onto the pride movement. and so they decide say, you celebrate me say, okay, you must celebrate me to me feel better about to make me feel better about myself. make this the myself. you must make this the new standard to quiet my conscience. so we are conscience. and so we are commanded clap these commanded to clap for these people feel inclusive and people and feel inclusive and have standards have absolutely no standards about what goes public. about what goes on in public. and on your point about, about what goes on in public. and everywhere' point about, about what goes on in public. and everywhere isoint about, about what goes on in public. and everywhere is doingiout, about what goes on in public. and everywhere is doing this, well, everywhere is doing this, everywhere celebrating the everywhere is celebrating the liturgical of liturgical calendar of the rainbow , going back to rainbow nowadays, going back to the esg point, people that aren't familiar the aren't familiar with the corporate index, a corporate equality index, it's a scorecard human scorecard system by the human rights , the biggest rights campaign, the biggest

lgbtq lobbying group in lgbtq lmnop lobbying group in the world. they've got about 400 corporations loads of corporations on it, loads of hedge funds, vanguard, state street, blackrock . george soros street, blackrock. george soros has of firms on has won a bunch of law firms on it, give you it, and they give you a scorecard system you are scorecard system and you are meant appoint lgbt board meant to appoint lgbt board members. you're meant to pay for your you're your staff's transition. you're meant people in meant to include gay people in your which every your adverts, which is why every single advert has a gay person. if that, you get money. if you do that, you get money. if you do that, you get money. if don't that, if you if you don't do that, if you fail of things, you're fail one of those things, you're deducted points and you don't get subsidies. has get the subsidies. stonewall has the same thing the even the same thing in the uk, even like has up in like tesco has signed up to in there. there's a lot of money in this and why large this and that's why every large corporation on to it, corporation is signing on to it, even puts customers even if it puts off customers like or target, like with budweiser or target, then out. then you're missing out. rachel, your esg gay rachel, how is your esg gay saytar— rachel, how is your esg gay saytar tntngt— rachel, how is your esg gay gaydar thing? how many boxes nave—wett- gaydar thing? how many boxesi have _well, clearly have you ticked? well, clearly none. have you ticked? well, clearly none . by not having the none. by not having the merchandise clearly. but i have to say that as far as an inclusive inclusivity and awareness point of view , awareness point of view, hopefully pride does some good in that aspect. and i'm not talking about whether it's lesbian or gay or whatever i'm talking about inclusivity on a

bigger scale , you know, gender bigger scale, you know, gender bias, unconscious bias. and i think it does that, though. or doesitisit think it does that, though. or does it is it not just purely atout— does it is it not just purely about lgbt?— does it is it not just purely about lgbt? et— does it is it not just purely about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . tn— about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . tn my— about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . tn my pip,— about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . tn my pip, t— about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . in my pink, i don't— about lgbt? et cetera. et cetera . in my pink, i don't feel as a t— . in my pink, i don't feel as a woman, i don't— . in my pink, i don't feel as a woman, i don't feel like pride represents— woman, i don't feel like pride represents my— woman, i don't feel like pride represents my bid for financial genter— represents my bid for financial genter eguattty— represents my bid for financial gender equality .— represents my bid for financial gender equality . it doesn't gender equality. it doesn't represent— gender equality. it doesn't represent me— gender equality. it doesn't represent me in my pink , fluffy represent me in my pink, fluffy wortt. — represent me in my pink, fluffy wortt. t— represent me in my pink, fluffy wortt. t trte— represent me in my pink, fluffy world. i like to— represent me in my pink, fluffy world. i like to think- represent me in my pink, fluffy world. e i represent me in my pink, fluffy world. e world. i like to think it just broadens people's horizons generally . and. and does it generally. and. and does it encourage alternative thinking, which we really need after covid? okay, that's interesting . so— covid? okay, that's interesting . so wnat— covid? okay, that's interesting . so what you're— go. it?” okay, that's interesting . so what you're saying is so tor— . so what you're saying is so tor you,— . so what you're saying is so tor you prtte— . so what you're saying is so for you, pride is— . so what you're saying is so for you, pride is about it. open your— for you, pride is about it. open your mtnt— for you, pride is about it. open your mtnt .— for you, pride is about it. open your mind . yeah.— for you, pride is about it. open your mind . yeah. be don't just your mind. yeah. be don't just ton-t— your mind. yeah. be don't just ton-t tust— your mind. yeah. be don't just don't just follow— your mind. yeah. be don't just don't just follow the let's say we.— don't just follow the let's say the, me — don't just follow the let's say the, the norm— don't just follow the let's say the, the norm the— don't just follow the let's say the, the norm the overriding tesause— the, the norm the overriding tesause tne— the, the norm the overriding because the vast— the, the norm the overriding because the vast majority of peopte— because the vast majority of peopte mere-s— because the vast majority of people there's still only a soupte— people there's still only a soupte ot— people there's still only a couple of years- people there's still only a couple of years ago the latest stats— couple of years ago the latest stats tnere-s— couple of years ago the latest stats there's only— couple of years ago the latest stats there's only 3% of people sonstter— stats there's only 3% of people consider themselves to be gay wno— consider themselves to be gay wno ttenttty— consider themselves to be gay who identify as— consider themselves to be gay who identify as gay. that's stit— who identify as gay. that's stttt a— who identify as gay. that's stttt a te— who identify as gay. that's still a tie it's— who identify as gay. that's still a tie it's a— who identify as gay. that's still a tie it's a tiny number of still a tie it's a tiny number ot peopte— still a tie it's a tiny number ot peopte gtven— still a tie it's a tiny number of people given how much time we spent— of people given how much time we spent tatttng— of people given how much time we spend talking about— of people given how much time we spend talking about it and toottng— spend talking about it and toottng at— spend talking about it and looking at this—

spend talking about it and looking at this issue , isn't it? looking at this issue, isn't it? teat.— looking at this issue, isn't it? teat. tut— looking at this issue, isn't it? yeah, but again,— looking at this issue, isn't it? yeah, but again, this- looking at this issue, isn't it? yeah, but again, this comes down to, okay, if someone feels insecure about something, if their sexual proclivity, they become very, very vocal become a very, very vocal minority . and can't separate minority. and we can't separate the fact that the tk+ brigade does have a social contagion element to it. that is why it is being pushed in schools. that's why it's trying to raise a consciousness in children and in order to support pride. if you're supporting that acronym, you're supporting that acronym, you are supporting a regime which says, yeah, you know what? if people feel insecure about their bodies, we've got to sterilise surgically their bodies, we've got to sterilise them. surgically their bodies, we've got to sterilise them. it'ssurgically their bodies, we've got to sterilise them. it'sjust cally their bodies, we've got to sterilise them. it'sjust evil, i mutilate them. it's just evil, i think. yeah, okay. right. both of think. yeah, okay. right. both ot you,— think. yeah, okay. right. both ot you want— think. yeah, okay. right. both of you, thank you _ think. yeah, okay. right. both of you, thank you so- yeah, okay. right. both of you, thank you so much. ttgnt. — of you, thank you so much. tttgnt. were— of you, thank you so much. right. we're going to do a ttttte— right. we're going to do a little conversation when we come tast— little conversation when we come tast arter— little conversation when we come tast atter tne— little conversation when we come back after the break about what trtnse— back after the break about what trtnse marry— back after the break about what prince harry and— back after the break about what prince harry and his his amtttton— prince harry and his his ambition to— prince harry and his his ambition to create world peace. if ambition to create world peace. rt you— ambition to create world peace. rt you ton-t— ambition to create world peace. if you don't know— ambition to create world peace. if you don't know what he's ptanntng— if you don't know what he's ptanntng .— if you don't know what he's ptanntng , you— if you don't know what he's planning, you need stick around for planning, you need stick around tor ttrs— planning, you need stick around tor tnts. tts— planning, you need stick around for this. it's hilarious .

welcome back. thank you for young— welcome back. thank you for totntng me— welcome back. thank you for totntng me on— welcome back. thank you for joining me on this beautiful trttay— joining me on this beautiful trttay ntgnt.— joining me on this beautiful trttay ntgnt. t— joining me on this beautiful friday night. i am bev turner. tm— friday night. i am bev turner. t-m normatty— friday night. i am bev turner. i'm normally on— friday night. i am bev turner. i'm normally on gb news monday to tnurstay— i'm normally on gb news monday to thursday, 930— i'm normally on gb news monday to thursday, 930 in— i'm normally on gb news monday to thursday, 930 in the morning. we to thursday, 930 in the morning. we nat— to thursday, 930 in the morning. we nat tnts— to thursday, 930 in the morning. we had this message from maggie on tne— we had this message from maggie on me tast— we had this message from maggie on me tast ot— we had this message from maggie on the back of our— we had this message from maggie on the back of our pride debate. sne— on the back of our pride debate. sne sart— on the back of our pride debate. sne satt t— on the back of our pride debate. she said i recently— on the back of our pride debate. she said i recently read a reference to _ she said i recently read a reference to pride season on the tetters— reference to pride season on the tetters page— reference to pride season on the tetters page ot— reference to pride season on the letters page of a— reference to pride season on the letters page of a newspaper. ttrst— letters page of a newspaper. ttrst-wtte— letters page of a newspaper. first-pride day,- letters page of a newspaper. first pride day, then first it was pride day, then wtte— first it was pride day, then pride weekend,— first it was pride day, then pride weekend, then week, pride weekend, then pride week, tnen— pride weekend, then pride week, tnen trtte — pride weekend, then pride week, then pride month.— pride weekend, then pride week, then pride month. now it's pride season— then pride month. now it's pride season .— then pride month. now it's pride season . tnese— then pride month. now it's pride season . these pride supporters season. these pride supporters nave—rt,— season. these pride supporters nave—rt, t- season. these pride supporters have-pr, i wonder. have wonderful pr, i wonder wno-s— have wonderful pr, i wonder wno-s paytng— have wonderful pr, i wonder wno-s paytng tor— have wonderful pr, i wonder who's paying for it. supermarket postets— who's paying for it. supermarket postets ton-t— who's paying for it. supermarket pockets don't even— who's paying for it. supermarket pockets don't even to pockets don't even bother to setetrate. — pockets don't even bother to celebrate. saint— pockets don't even bother to celebrate. saint george's day . celebrate. saint george's day. ohv_ celebrate. saint george's day. at, you-re— celebrate. saint george's day. on, yours pap,— celebrate. saint george's day. oh, you're right, maggie. now no satnt— oh, you're right, maggie. now no satnt marry— oh, you're right, maggie. now no saw many ot— oh, you're right, maggie. now no saint harry of sussex believes tnat— saint harry of sussex believes tnat ne— saint harry of sussex believes tnat ne san— saint harry of sussex believes that he can cure— saint harry of sussex believes that he can cure the world of all that he can cure the world of at tts— that he can cure the world of at tts ttrs— that he can cure the world of all its ills and— that he can cure the world of all its ills and prejudices, and ms— all its ills and prejudices, and ms pttsnet— all its ills and prejudices, and he's pitched an— all its ills and prejudices, and he's pitched an idea to be a stunt— he's pitched an idea to be a mum to— he's pitched an idea to be a shrink to vladimir putin and ponatt— shrink to vladimir putin and donald trump.— shrink to vladimir putin and donald trump. now, this is how ne-s— donald trump. now, this is how ne-s tost— donald trump. now, this is how ne-s tost nts— donald trump. now, this is how he's lost his spotify. i'd love to nave— he's lost his spotify. i'd love to have been— he's lost his spotify. i'd love to have been a— he's lost his spotify. i'd love to have been a fly on the wall of to have been a fly on the wall ot tnat— to have been a fly on the wall of that meeting. _ to have been a fly on the wall of that meeting. connor tomlinson— of that meeting. connor tomlinson because they've said to mm,—

tomlinson because they've said to him, obviously,— tomlinson because they've said to him, obviously, who you to him, obviously, who do you want— to him, obviously, who do you want to— to him, obviously, who do you want to interview— to him, obviously, who do you want to interview on your potsastt— want to interview on your podcast?-he's- want to interview on your podcast? he's come up with podcast? and he's come up with tnts— podcast? and he's come up with we ttea— podcast? and he's come up with we ttea ot— podcast? and he's come up with this idea of sitting— podcast? and he's come up with this idea of sitting with this idea of sitting down with vtattmtr— this idea of sitting down with vladimir through vladimir putin to go through his tauma— vladimir putin to go through his tauma ant— vladimir putin to go through his trauma and therefore presumably asnteve— trauma and therefore presumably achieve world— trauma and therefore presumably achieve world peace. he doesn't ttve— achieve world peace. he doesn't ttve tn— achieve world peace. he doesn't ttve tn tne— achieve world peace. he doesn't live in the real— achieve world peace. he doesn't live in the real world. harry toes— live in the real world. harry toes net — live in the real world. harry toes net t— live in the real world. harry does he? i don't- live in the real world. harry does he? titir“ i live in the real world. harry- does he? i don't know what kind of thinks he has , but of pool he thinks he has, but he's a notable name. but only because of his connection to the royal family he's squandered quite a lot of goodwill the quite a lot of goodwill with the british and the broader british public and the broader press. trump as well . not press. yeah, trump as well. not the fan of meghan markle the biggest fan of meghan markle , i don't imagine that harry , so i don't imagine that harry would have had the most conducive conversation with him. and i think might be and also i think putin might be a little busy, but i mean, what what what is harry thinking? what is what is harry thinking? that's the thing. you know, i woutt— that's the thing. you know, i woutt rove— that's the thing. you know, i would love to— that's the thing. you know, i would love to have been in that meettng— would love to have been in that meettng wttn— would love to have been in that meeting with spotify and think of meeting with spotify and think ot att— meeting with spotify and think ot att ot— meeting with spotify and think of all of those— meeting with spotify and think of all of those corporate men trytng— of all of those corporate men trytng to— of all of those corporate men trytng tolsoot— of all of those corporate men trying to .cool and - of all of those corporate men trying to cool and creative, trying to be cool and creative, tut— trying to be cool and creative, tut navtng— trying to be cool and creative, tut navtng to— trying to be cool and creative, but having to kind of blink stowty— but having to kind of blink stowty as— but having to kind of blink stowty as ne— but having to kind of blink slowly as he reveals to them his vtston— slowly as he reveals to them his vtston tor— slowly as he reveals to them his vision for his— slowly as he reveals to them his vision for his podcast in which he psychoanalyses vladimir putn— he psychoanalyses vladimir ruttn. ts— he psychoanalyses vladimir ruttn. ts tt— he psychoanalyses vladimir putin. is it just— he psychoanalyses vladimir putin. is it just that he's is he putin. is it just that he's is ne tust— putin. is it just that he's is he just utterly— putin. is it just that he's is he just utterly narcissistic , he just utterly narcissistic, marry— he just utterly narcissistic, narry ant— he just utterly narcissistic, narry ant ne— he just utterly narcissistic,

harry and he says nobody in his life harry and he says nobody in his ttte to— harry and he says nobody in his ttte to tett— harry and he says nobody in his life to tell him _ harry and he says nobody in his life to tell him you're you sount— life to tell him you're you sound like— life to tell him you're you sound like a— life to tell him you're you sound like a nutcase. i think his sound like a nutcase. i think nts neat— sound like a nutcase. i think his head has— sound like a nutcase. i think his head has been filled with very— his head has been filled with very tteats— his head has been filled with very tteats .— his head has been filled with very ideals , logically unsound very ideals, logically unsound senttment— very ideals, logically unsound senttment . — very ideals, logically unsound sentiment . it's— very ideals, logically unsound sentiment . i fitting??? sentiment. it's from meghan markle, who also has grand designs to influence politics and call up us senators and say hi, it's the duchess of sussex to try and leverage over over legislation . so i think he's legislation. so i think he's just gotten too big for his boots and realise he boots and doesn't realise he looks a mug. it looks like a bit of a mug. it feels like it's all coming crashing down a little bit, though, it? rachel for though, doesn't it? rachel for the it though, doesn't it? rachel for tne—tt toes- though, doesn't it? rachel for tne—tt toes . l though, doesn't it? rachel for the it does . well, the sussexes now it does. well, tney-ve— the sussexes now it does. well, tney-vs teen— the sussexes now it does. well, they've been haven't they? they've been axed haven't they? haven't i listened to haven't they. but i listened to meghan , the one of the meghan markle, the one of the archetype podcast . it's about archetype podcast. it's about divas and yeah , yeah. if you divas and yeah, yeah. if you haven't listened to it, i wouldn't waste your time. i've heard clips. it, it completely tasks— heard clips. it, it completely lacks self—aware— : ea it, it completely lacks self—aware bareness, toesn-t— lacks self—aware bareness, toesn-t ttt — lacks self—aware bareness, doesn't it? it— lacks self—aware bareness, doesn't it? i i ti. doesn't it? it was it was quite painful to listen to in places. you know, i was reading your story— you know, i was reading your story totay— you know, i was reading your story totay ant— you know, i was reading your story today and you had by any tettnttton— story today and you had by any tettnttton a— story today and you had by any definition a really— story today and you had by any definition a really you had a tttttsutt— definition a really you had a difficult childhood, didn't you? i difficult childhood, didn't you? t reatty— difficult childhood, didn't you? t reatty ttt.— difficult childhood, didn't you?

i really did. you— difficult childhood, didn't you? i really did. you were in and out— i really did. you were in and out ot— i really did. you were in and out ot sae— i really did. you were in and out of care. give— i really did. you were in and out of care. give us an idea of wnat— out of care. give us an idea of wnat you— out of care. give us an idea of wnat you went— out of care. give us an idea of what you went through, because you soutt— what you went through, because you soutt nave— what you went through, because you could have done a harry and tastsatty— you could have done a harry and basically-yourself- you could have done a harry and basically yourself as basically cast yourself as a vtsttm — basically cast yourself as a victim -rest- basically cast yourself as a victim -rest of- basically cast yourself as a victim rest of your victim for the rest of your ttte. — victim for the rest of your ttte. -ton-t- victim for the rest of your. life. -don't-think victim for the rest of your- life. -don't-think that life. well, don't you think that there's lot of similarities there's a lot of similarities between childhood and between harry's childhood and putin's? no , putin's mother putin's? yeah no, putin's mother apparently nearly died of starvation and he was brought up with war and vermin . so, yeah, with war and vermin. so, yeah, very similar. very similar. but yes, a very unusual yes, i did have a very unusual childhood. i had. i was the result of an affair. and my there was an accident outside there was an accident outside the house. the police came round to investigate and found me sitting on the floor blue in december with no clothes on with a stepfather dressed in my mother's clothes. and how old were you? i was eight months. so the social services raided the house and i got taken straight into so how did you become into care. so how did you become , um, so successful and so well—adjusted ? we have only just well—adjusted? we have only just met.— well—adjusted? we have only just met. mere-s— well—adjusted? we have only just met. tnere-s a— well—adjusted? we have only just met. there's a big— ii“ we have only just met. there's a big assumption to mate.— met. there's a big assumption to make out— met. there's a big assumption to make out you— met. there's a big assumption to make. but you seem lovely. but you— make. but you seem lovely. but you soutt— make. but you seem lovely. but you soutt nave— make. but you seem lovely. but you could have done a harry. you know.— you could have done a harry. you know. you— you could have done a harry. you know. you soutt— you could have done a harry. you know, you could have spent your life know, you could have spent your ttte saytng— know, you could have spent your life saying, poor—

know, you could have spent your life saying, poor me, poor me. teat— life saying, poor me, poor me. vean now— life saying, poor me, poor me. yeah how did— life saying, poor me, poor me. yeah how did you— life saying, poor me, poor me. yeah how did you not do that? trte— yeah how did you not do that? ttte wnat— yeah how did you not do that? like what was— yeah how did you not do that? like what was the— yeah how did you not do that? like what was the key to your t— like what was the key to your success? i think— like what was the key to your success? i think for me it was atout— success? i think for me it was about everything— success? i think for me it was about everything was so unpredictable in our childhood tnat— unpredictable in our childhood tnat you— unpredictable in our childhood tnat you tust— unpredictable in our childhood that you just learn to get on wttn— that you just learn to get on wttn tt— that you just learn to get on wttn tt . — that you just learn to get on with it . and— that you just learn to get on with it. “t: / that you just learn to get on- with it . and survival . yeah. and with it. and survival. yeah. and my sister and i have had quite lengthy conversations about how we have sort of remained fairly normal. yeah and yeah , it's normal. yeah and yeah, it's about, i think it's glass half full mentality and thinking, okay, well the situation's a bit rubbish right now, but so, so in a way harry had, has had the worst case of both worlds because yes, of course he lost his mother or he wouldn't wish that yes, he had that on anyone. and yes, he had to go— that on anyone. and yes, he had to go tnrougn— that on anyone. and yes, he had to go through that— tir“ and yes, he had to go through that traumatic epeee — to go through that traumatic experience, which brings experience, which still brings tears— experience, which still brings. tears—tentnt tears to my eyes walking behind the tears to my eyes walking behind tne-tront— tears to my eyes walking behind tne-tront ot— tears to my eyes walking behind the -front of.those. the coffin in front of all those tnousants— the coffin in front of all those. thousands _absolutely thousands of people. absolutely awtut—nut- thousands of people. absolutelyj awful,_but against awful, awful, awful. but against mat.— awful, awful, awful. but against mat-tne— awful, awful, awful. but against that,-the backdrop- that, he had the backdrop of vast—tuvury- that, he had the backdrop of vast—luxury andi vast wealth and luxury and prtvttege— vast wealth and luxury and prtvttege-a- vast wealth and luxury and privilege. a way, you're privilege. and in a way, you're saytng— privilege. and in a way, you're saytng-a— privilege. and in a way, you're saytng-a sense- privilege. and in a way, you're. saying-a sense-kind saying that in a sense that kind of saying that in a sense that kind ot possttty— saying that in a sense that kind ot possttty-tt— saying that in a sense that kind of possibly it worse for of possibly made it worse for ntm. — of possibly made it worse for ntm. ltttn-t— of possibly made it worse for him. .didn't build- of possibly made it worse for. him. .didn't build resilience. him. he didn't build resilience. there no resilience. there was no resilience. yes. everything was effectively handed to him on a plate. so he

didn't know how to deal. he still doesn't know how to deal with with situations. yeah i mean, he said that he's done all of this to pay for security for his family. yeah, the irony of it, his family. yeah, the irony of p, t— his family. yeah, the irony of p, t want— his family. yeah, the irony of p, t want to— his family. yeah, the irony of it, i want to ask— his family. yeah, the irony of it, i want to ask you- i“ eat yeah, the irony of it, i want to ask you how your sntttnoot— it, i want to ask you how your childhood was,— it, i want to ask you how your childhood was, but you're still in childhood was, but you're still tn rt.— childhood was, but you're still in it, basically.— childhood was, but you're still in it, basically. thanks in it, basically. oh, thanks very—wo- in it, basically. oh, thanks. very—we tovety very much. yeah. n0 lovely parents and very much. yeah. no lovely parents and grandparents hated school . i was always a bit of a school. i was always a bit of a social outcast and an underdog, social outcast and an underdog, so it's weird that i've ended up on suppose you will fit on telly. i suppose you will fit right in yeah. yeah. right in here. yeah. yeah. the one say harry one thing i will say about harry is that the compounding factor is that the compounding factor is obviously can to is obviously and i can relate to this terrible taste in this having terrible taste in girlfriends the past. his girlfriends in the past. his awful in women. awful taste in women. and i think unfortunately , if you are think unfortunately, if you are quite a weak man, you will seek out kind of validation from out any kind of validation from a woman you think gives you half a woman you think gives you half a glance and you'll be led further than gunpowder can blow you. seems to be you. and that's seems to be what's happened with him. well, ihave what's happened with him. well, i have had a lovely time tonight.— i have had a lovely time tonight-too.- i have had a lovely time tonight. too. from a weak tonight. you too. from a weak .to— tonight. you too. from a weak .to-potar- tonight. you too. from a weak man. to polar opposite man. now to the polar opposite of a— man. now to the polar opposite of a weak— man. now to the polar opposite of a weak m..— man. now to the polar opposite of a weak man. a— man. now to the polar opposite of a weak man. a very strong a— of a weak man. a very strong a very— of a weak man. a very strong man. a very tall— of a weak man. a very strong man. a very tall man in the shape— man. a very tall man in the

shape af— man. a very tall man in the shape of mark— man. a very tall man in the shape of mark dolan . beverley, a shape of mark dolan. beverley, a full shape of mark dolan. beverley, a fan af— shape of mark dolan. beverley, a full of confidence. _ shape of mark dolan. beverley, a full of confidence. “aw full of confidence. thank you so much . the heat must have got to much. the heat must have got to you. we've got a really busy two hours. it's mark dolan tonight from the new time of 9 pm. in my big opinion on brexit, seven years on my verdict. let me tell you that this project is constant . proving the doubters constant. proving the doubters wrong . it might take at ten i'll wrong. it might take at ten i'll be reacting to the cat story. of course, that school in east sussex, where allegedly one of the pupils identifies as a feline. this is a red line for me. we have crossed the rubicon. if we don't stand up and call out this woke madness , then we out this woke madness, then we will lose our civilised nation. plus, we've got my top pundits reacting to the big stories of the day, including fleet street legend mike paul coyte parry. it's all to come. we got my take at ten. we got my big opinion. plus your emails. mark at gb news .com is going to be a hot and fun friday nights . hello and fun friday nights. hello there. i'm and fun friday nights. hello there . i'm jonathan vautrey here there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with— there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your— there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your evening— there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your evening gb— ”a22; i'm jonathan vautrey here with your evening gb news weather—

with your evening gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. — weather forecast provided by the met office. say— weather forecast provided by the met office. say warm and humid weekend— met office. say warm and humid weekend ae— met office. say warm and humid weekend to come— met office. say warm and humid weekend to come for pretty much all weekend to come for pretty much an ef— weekend to come for pretty much an of — weekend to come for pretty much an of au— weekend to come for pretty much all of us. all due— weekend to come for pretty much all of us. all due to— weekend to come for pretty much all of us. all due to us feeding in all of us. all due to us feeding an wande— all of us. all due to us feeding in winds from _ all of us. all due to us feeding in winds from the— all of us. all due to us feeding in winds from the southwest. and that-e— in winds from the southwest. and aaaa-e feeding— in winds from the southwest. and that's feeding in— in winds from the southwest. and that's feeding in this mild air au— that's feeding in this mild air across all areas— that's feeding in this mild air across all areas of the uk. we do eau— across all areas of the uk. we do still need— across all areas of the uk. we do still need to— across all areas of the uk. we do still need to watch out for these— do still need to watch out for these frontal— do still need to watch out for these frontal features pushing ahea— these frontal features pushing aheaaway— these frontal features pushing their way across— these frontal features pushing their way across through friday evening,— their way across through friday evening, ana— their way across through friday evening, and that— their way across through friday evening, and that could bring quite— evening, and that could bring quite a— evening, and that could bring quite a tea— evening, and that could bring quite a tea ef— evening, and that could bring quite a lot of rain for parts of seemed,— quite a lot of rain for parts of scotland, heavy— quite a lot of rain for parts of scotland, heavy in places, paaaaeaaaay— scotland, heavy in places, particularly over higher ground areas—seate- particularly over higher ground areas—south and. areas towards the south and ease,— areas towards the south and ease, staying— areas towards the south and east, staying dry through the mem— east, staying dry through the night with— east, staying dry through the night with clearer spells night with some clearer spells magm— night with some clearer spells might see— night with some clearer spells maaaa eae— night with some clearer spells might see the odd mist and fog patch. — might see the odd mist and fog patch. .fea— might see the odd mist and fog patch. near-ef— might see the odd mist and fog patch.-for.of us- might see the odd mist and fog patch.-for.of us it- might see the odd mist and fog patch. for of us it is patch. but for all of us it is going— patch. but for all of us it is gang-ae— patch. but for all of us it is going-belmild- patch. but for all of us it is going be mild and humid going to be a mild and humid mam.— going to be a mild and humid night—cities- going to be a mild and humid night._cities not. night. towns and cities not dropping— night. towns and cities not dropping-lower- night. towns and cities not dropping lower than 16 dropping much lower than 16 w c.— dropping much lower than 16 w clit— dropping much lower than 16 17 c..it could— dropping much lower than 16 17 c..it could be- dropping much lower than 16 17 c. it could be quite 17 c. so it could be quite sticky— 17 c. so it could be quite etkky ae— 17 c. so it could be quite sticky as some- 17 c. so it could be quite sticky as some of us head to bed knee— sticky as some of us head to bed knee saaaaaay— sticky as some of us head to bed into saturday morning. still some outbreaks— into saturday morning. still some outbreaks of rain for parts of camera— some outbreaks of rain for parts of cumbria into— some outbreaks of rain for parts of cumbria into northwest seama— of cumbria into northwest scotland, gradually pushing ahea— scotland, gradually pushing akekway— scotland, gradually pushing their way north _ scotland, gradually pushing their way north westwards. but generally— their way north westwards. but generally they'll— their way north westwards. but generally they'll fade out as we head— generally they'll fade out as we head knee— generally they'll fade out as we head into the— generally they'll fade out as we head into the afternoon and the dead— head into the afternoon and the dead wak— head into the afternoon and the cloud will break— head into the afternoon and the cloud will break up a bit more, allowing— cloud will break up a bit more, allowing_intervals| allowing those sunny intervals to allowing those sunny intervals aka-ka— allowing those sunny intervals ae-ka mae— allowing those sunny intervals to in that sunshine to develop in that sunshine across northern— to develop in that sunshine across northern ireland, parts of eeaaaak— across northern ireland, parts of central scotland will see temperatures— of central scotland will see temperatures higher than they

were-friday— temperatures higher than they were i friday-the - temperatures higher than they were friday the mid were on friday around the mid 205,— were on friday around the mid we, baa— were on friday around the mid 20s, but climbing— were on friday around the mid 20s, but climbing towards 30 c in southeastern— 20s, but climbing towards 30 c in southeastern areas of england aeakky— in southeastern areas of england aeakkk wak— in southeastern areas of england aeakky wkkk ae— in southeastern areas of england really will be quite a hot day with—av- really will be quite a hot day with _uv levels. i really will be quite a hot dayi with—uv levels. if with some strong uv levels. if you— with some strong uv levels. if you ae— with some strong uv levels. if you eae— with some strong uv levels. if you eat in— with some strong uv levels. if you are out in sunshine into you are out in the sunshine into saaaaaak— you are out in the sunshine into saturday evening,— you are out in the sunshine into saturday evening, that cloud wak— saturday evening, that cloud wkkk mee— saturday evening, that cloud will melt its— saturday evening, that cloud will melt its way off. so there wak— will melt its way off. so there wkkkleeme— will melt its way off. so there will i some late _ will melt its way off. so there will some late sunshine will be some late sunshine that wak— will be some late sunshine that wkkk-ekeaa— will be some late sunshine that will-clear intervals. will turn into clear intervals overnight. — will turn into clear intervals overnight. but— will turn into clear intervals overnight. but it's to be overnight. but it's going to be another— overnight. but it's going to be another-eae— overnight. but it's going to be another-one for- overnight. but it's going to be another one for all of us. another humid one for all of us. ag...— another humid one for all of us. ag... ka— another humid one for all of us. again, ke, 17— another humid one for all of us. again, 16, 17 celsius. the lows ahea— again, 16, 17 celsius. the lows akea knee— again, 16, 17 celsius. the lows then into sunday.— again, 16, 17 celsius. the lows then into sunday. we are watching— then into sunday. we are watching this— then into sunday. we are watching this feature as it pushes— watching this feature as it pushes ka— watching this feature as it pushes in from - watching this feature as it pushes in from the west, provides— pushes in from the west,| provides—rain pushes in from the west,- provides_rain for provides quite heavy rain for mathem— provides quite heavy rain for northern ireland, parts of weeennn— northern ireland, parts of western scotland before it ewenwakw— western scotland before it- eventually—into eventually moves its way into england— eventually moves its way into england win— eventually moves its way into england with some thunderstorms developing— england with some thunderstorms developing ahead— england with some thunderstorms developing ahead of that neaennak— developing ahead of that potential for— developing ahead of that potential for torrential potential for some torrential aewnnewe— potential for some torrential downpours and— potential for some torrential downpours and surface water . anae— downpours and surface water issues . that conference links downpours and surface water iss way that conference links downpours and surface water iss way across:onference links downpours and surface water iss way across and rence links downpours and surface water iss way across and opens.inks downpours and surface water iss way across and opens up s downpours and surface water iss way across and opens up the its way across and opens up the near— its way across and opens up the new ne— its way across and opens up the new no sene— its way across and opens up the door to some fresher air from ane— door to some fresher air from we ween. — door to some fresher air from the west. but— door to some fresher air from the west. but it— door to some fresher air from the west. but it also allows aneee— the west. but it also allows these—pressure. these further low pressure eeenne— these further low pressure eentee ta — these further low pressure centres to start- these further low pressure centres to start moving their way— centres to start moving their way tn.— centres to start moving their way tn. se— centres to start moving their way tn. se tne— centres to start moving their way in. so the weekend and into the way in. so the weekend and into tne start— way in. so the weekend and into tne start at— way in. so the weekend and into the start of the— way in. so the weekend and into the start of the new new working week— the start of the new new working week reeke— the start of the new new working week looks like— the start of the new new working week looks like it— the start of the new new working week looks like it will turning more unsettled— week looks like it will turning more unsettled but also a little bit more unsettled but also a little ttt treener— more unsettled but also a little

ttt treener .—

by by lby. lby. happy i by- happy friday i by— happy friday one by happy i by- happy friday i by— happy friday one by happy friday one and all. it's happy friday one and all. it's 9.00— happy friday one and all. it's 9:00 an— happy friday one and all. it's 9:00 on television,— happy friday one and all. it's 9.00— happy friday one and all. it's 9:00 an— happy friday one and all. it's 9:00 on television,— happy friday one and all. it's 9:00 on television, on- happy friday one and all. it's 9:00 on television, on radio and 9:00 on television, on- happy friday one and all. it's 9:00 on television, on radio and onune 9:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and onune 9:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark across the world. this is mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion dolan tonight. in my big opinion , brexit seven years on my , brexit seven years on my verdict, the so—called stupid people who voted for it were anything but in the big story following the tragic death of five people in a submarine, this week, we'll speak to the great granddaughter of a survivor of the titanic to get a sense of the titanic to get a sense of the hell these grieving families are now going through. my guest is the former professional footballer and reality star ashley cain, who has embarked on the world's toughest survival race in memory of his little girl who he lost to leukaemia at the age of just eight months old. he tells his incredibly

moving story before the end