wagner mercenary group of the wagner mercenary group of treason— the wagner mercenary group of reason ana— the wagner mercenary group of treason and armed mutiny . we treason and armed mutiny. we bringing— treason and armed mutiny. we nnngrng yon— treason and armed mutiny. we nnngrng you ane— treason and armed mutiny. we bringing you the very latest on anar— bringing you the very latest on ma wran— bringing you the very latest on that with-great- bringing you the very latest on that with great guests that with some great guests as wen,— that with some great guests as wean-an— that with some great guests as wellr-up an— that with some great guests as wellr-up an ana- that with some great guests as well, up at. and cornwall well, coming up at. and cornwall is well, coming up at. and cornwall rs nosrrne— well, coming up at. and cornwall is hosting national— well, coming up at. and cornwall is hosting national celebrations for armed— is hosting national celebrations for armed forces— is hosting national celebrations for armed forces day for the nrsr— for armed forces day for the nrsr ane— for armed forces day for the nrsr one a— for armed forces day for the first time, a series of events being— first time, a series of events are being held— first time, a series of events are being held across the soanrn— are being held across the soanrry .— are being held across the soanrry . ana— are being held across the country . and we'll be right country. and we'll be right rnere— country. and we'll be right there celebrating them . and there celebrating with them. and of there celebrating with them. and or-rr-s— there celebrating with them. and of-it's glastonbury- there celebrating with them. and of it's glastonbury , the of course, it's glastonbury, the ranges— of course, it's glastonbury, the orgaesr-rn— of course, it's glastonbury, the orggesr-rn ane— of course, it's glastonbury, the biggest in the british biggest day in the british resrrvar— biggest day in the british festival calendar. goers festival calendar. party goers non— festival calendar. party goers from across the _ festival calendar. party goers from across the country flock to rura— from across the country flock to rural summits— from across the country flock to rural summits and— from across the country flock to rural summits and music, live evers— rural summits and music, live evenrs ana— rural summits and music, live evenrs and a— rural summits and music, live events and a non—stop party canne— events and a non—stop party culture. that's— events and a non—stop party culture. that's a— events and a non—stop party culture. that's a nice way of parano— culture. that's a nice way of parrrng—navesl putting it. but what makes erasro— putting it. but what makes glasto-premier- putting it. but what makes glasto premier music glasto the premier music resrrvar— glasto the premier music festival in— glasto the premier music festival in the— glasto the premier music festival in the world? first, rr-s— festival in the world? first, as ane— festival in the world? first, it's the news— festival in the world? first, it's the news headlines with the roverv— it's the news headlines with the lovely tatiana _ it's the news headlines with the lovely tatiana sanchez . r lovely tatiana sanchez. dona, rnanv— lovely tatiana sanchez. dona, rnanv vea— lovely tatiana sanchez. dona, rnanv voa verv— lovely tatiana sanchez. dona, thank you very much. and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom. prime minister rishi sunak has told reporters he'll be speaking to allies, including ukraine's president, later today , about president, later today, about the armed rebellion by the wagner group in russia. earlier russia's president putin

attacked the leader of the mercenary group, accusing him of treason and armed mutiny . the treason and armed mutiny. the military group's chief, yevgeny parshin, claims to have taken control of russia's southern military headquarters in rostov and vows to go to on moscow. he's accused russia's military chiefs of attacking his forces and lying to justify the war in ukraine. the british ministry of defence says the armed rebellion marks the most significant challenge to the russian state in recent times . president putin in recent times. president putin says he would do everything to protect his country from what he called treason from the inside . called treason from the inside. any internal turmoil is a mortal rnrear— any internal turmoil is a mortal rnrear ro— any internal turmoil is a mortal rnrear ro oar— any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood. to us as a narron— threat to our statehood. to us as a nation, this— threat to our statehood. to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia— as a nation, this is a blow to russia ro— as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our— as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our people, our aerrons— russia, to our people, our aerrons ro— russia, to our people, our actions to protect the homeland non— actions to protect the homeland non seen— actions to protect the homeland non seen a— actions to protect the homeland from such a threat— actions to protect the homeland from such a threat will be narsn. — from such a threat will be narsn. au— from such a threat will be harsh. all those who deliberately took the path of betrayalv— deliberately took the path of betrayal, who _ deliberately took the path of betrayal, who prepared armed betrayal, who prepared an armed nanny,— betrayal, who prepared an armed nanny, vno— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who took— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who took the path of oraevnarr— mutiny, who took the path of blackmail terrorist methods, blackmail and terrorist methods, will-inevitable- will suffer an inevitable punishment,— will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both to the punishment, will answer both to rne rav— punishment, will answer both to rne rav ana— punishment, will answer both to rne raw and ro— punishment, will answer both to the law and to our— punishment, will answer both to

the law and to our people . the law and to our people. defense— the law and to our people. defence editor— the law and to our people. defence editor for- the law and to our people. defence editor for the- the law and to our people. defence editor for the evening standard, robert fox , says the standard, robert fox, says the escalation in tensions is a huge problem. his speech has mentioned the n—word , a mutiny, mentioned the n—word, a mutiny, which is very serious indeed, and he has always said the ukraine war or the special military operation has been a problem because russia is being attacked by nato and its allies, including the uk and the us . including the uk and the us. now he's saying russian forces are now he's saying russian forces being— now he's saying russian forces are being attacked by russian fores— are being attacked by russian fores .— are being attacked by russian fores . ana— are being attacked by russian forces . and this— are being attacked by russian forces . and this is a huge forces. and this is a huge pronren — forces. and this is a huge problem because this could be the problem because this could be rne innings— problem because this could be rne rnvnnes ,— problem because this could be the inklings , the— problem because this could be the inklings , the beginnings, the inklings, the beginnings, the inklings, the beginnings, rne snar— the inklings, the beginnings, the small details of certainly rensrons— the small details of certainly tensions and— the small details of certainly tensions and possibly local ava— tensions and possibly local ervrr vars— tensions and possibly local civilwars. _ tensions and possibly local civil wars . the- tensions and possibly local civil wars . " civil wars. the main support ship for the titan submersible returned to its home base in canada after attempting to recover the vessel which imploded in the north atlantic , imploded in the north atlantic, killing five people. one of two canadian coastguard ships had also returned to saint john's

harbour after the conclusion of the search and rescue operations . a safety investigation into the implosion of the submersible has been launched and it will focus on the safety of the operation rather than determining civil or criminal liability . a protest will be liability. a protest will be held outside parliament later today to step up demands for the release from prison of wikileaks founder julian assange. julia assange faces extradition to the united states, where he could be imprisoned for the rest of his life . he's been held in london's life. he's been held in london's high security belmarsh prison for more than four years. mr assange faces charges over the publication of classified documents relating to the afghanistan and iraq wars . a afghanistan and iraq wars. a major water company is blaming more people working from home after the covid pandemic for a new hosepipe ban. south east water, which supplies more than 2 million homes and businesses, will impose the first hosepipe ban of the summer from monday, affecting households across kent

and sussex. the company's chief executive also blamed low rainfall, as well as a recent spell of hot weather leading to a spike in demand for drinking water. for and the prime minister has paid tribute to the phenomenal precision and professionalism of british troops as events are held across the uk to mark armed forces day . the king also paid tribute in a letter. in a signed letter thanking military personnel for the immense and dedicated contribution of the british military. both at home and overseas. he drew on his own time in the military and said he recognised the deep pride service personnel take in their duty parades and fly—past will take place around the country to thank the military community with falmouth playing host to this year's national event, former army officer and military expert patrick benham. crosswell says it's a day of celebrating living army veterans. a celebration of service and rrvrng— celebration of service and living veterans- celebration of service and living veterans rather than pernaos— living veterans rather than perhaps remembrance day, which, of course remembers the fallen

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most importantly ,_ is a lot of news breaking today. most importantly , russia's most importantly, russia's presraenr— most importantly, russia's presraenr rs— most importantly, russia's president is pledging decisive aorrons— president is pledging decisive aerrons as— president is pledging decisive actions as he— president is pledging decisive actions as he accuses the leader of ne— actions as he accuses the leader or rne wagner— actions as he accuses the leader of the wagner mercenary group of reason— of the wagner mercenary group of reason ana— of the wagner mercenary group of treason and armed— of the wagner mercenary group of treason and armed mutiny . putin treason and armed mutiny. putin is treason and armed mutiny. putin rs sauna— treason and armed mutiny. putin rs earring for— treason and armed mutiny. putin is calling for the— treason and armed mutiny. putin is calling for the calling the anions— is calling for the calling the aerrons or— is calling for the calling the actions of the— is calling for the calling the actions of the military group a sran— actions of the military group a sran rn— actions of the military group a sran in ne— actions of the military group a stab in the back— actions of the military group a stab in the back after his chief us stab in the back after his chief us goes— stab in the back after his chief us goes in— stab in the back after his chief us goes in, claims— stab in the back after his chief us goes in, claims to have taken eonrror— us goes in, claims to have taken eonrror or— us goes in, claims to have taken control of russia's— us goes in, claims to have taken control of russia's southern nrrrrarv— control of russia's southern military headquarters in rostov and military headquarters in rostov ana vows— military headquarters in rostov ana ro— military headquarters in rostov ana o oo— military headquarters in rostov and vows to go on— military headquarters in rostov and vows to go on to moscow. rere— and vows to go on to moscow. nere rs— and vows to go on to moscow. here is vnar— and vows to go on to moscow. here is what president putin had to here is what president putin had ro sav— here is what president putin had ro sav rnrs— here is what president putin had to say this morning . : to say this morning. today, russia— to say this morning. today, nassra rs— to say this morning. today, russia is fighting an extremely tough battle for its future and is repelling the aggression of the and their masters in fact, the and their masters in fact, the entire military , economic the entire military, economic and information machine of the west is directed against us. we are fighting for the life- d c.~;f we are fighting for the life and seeanrv— are fighting for the life and seeanrv or— are fighting for the life and security of our— are fighting for the life and security of our people, for our soverergnrv— security of our people, for our sovereignty and— security of our people, for our sovereignty and independence , sovereignty and independence, for sovereignty and independence, rorrne— sovereignty and independence, for rne nonr— sovereignty and independence, for the right to— sovereignty and independence, for the right to be and remain russia— for the right to be and remain roassra .— for the right to be and remain roassra . — for the right to be and remain roassra . r— for the right to be and remain russia . i repeat,— for the right to be and remain

russia . ”cl for the right to be and remain russia . ”c: "yr russia. i repeat, any internal turmoil is a moral threat to our statehood. to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our people. the actions we will take to people. the actions we will take ro proreer— people. the actions we will take no proreer oar— the actions we will take to protect our homeland from seen— to protect our homeland from seen a— to protect our homeland from such a threat— to protect our homeland from such a threat will be harsh. nu— such a threat will be harsh. on those— such a threat will be harsh. all those who _ such a threat will be harsh. all those who consciously chose the path of betrayal , all who the path of betrayal, all who prepared an armed mutiny, who chose the path of blackmail and terrorism will suffer and inevitable punishment will answer both before the law and our people, the armed forces and other government agencies have received the necessary orders and additional anti—terrorist measures are now being introduced in moscow , the moscow introduced in moscow, the moscow region and a number of other regions . decisive action will regions. decisive action will also be taken to stabilise the situation in rostov—on—don itrillionemains difficult. the work of the civil itrillionemains difficult it the work of the civilian and military administration bodies

is effectively blocked . wow. is effectively blocked. wow. okay, we can go live- rzi;�*"�*"r:i;rt.c rclcg t: wow. okay, we can go live now to our renoner— okay, we can go live now to our reponer rneo— okay, we can go live now to our reporter theo chikomba who is oarsrae— reporter theo chikomba who is oarsrae ane— reporter theo chikomba who is outside the russian embassy for us outside the russian embassy for as rnrs— outside the russian embassy for us this afternoon— outside the russian embassy for us this afternoon ._ outside the russian embassy for us this afternoon . good us this afternoon. good afternoon,— us this afternoon. good afternoon, theo. could you bring us afternoon, theo. could you bring as an— afternoon, theo. could you bring as an ro— afternoon, theo. could you bring as as o dare— afternoon, theo. could you bring as as no aare on— afternoon, theo. could you bring us up to date on what has nappenea— us up to date on what has happened this— us up to date on what has happened this morning and overnrenr— happened this morning and overnranr e — happened this morning and overnight ? “ring: happened this morning and overnight ? “rim; happened this morning and overnight ? “ring: happened this morning and overnight? “ring: overnight? yes, well, plenty of developments when it comes to russia . overnight, the wagner russia. overnight, the wagner group, the leader of that group has said that the ministry of defence is destroying his figures and making up lies to justify the invasion on ukraine and is accused the russian military of launching a missile towards his troops . and towards his troops. and overnight we have seen some of those pictures of his troops heading towards the southern part of russia. now moscow is accusing him of armed mutiny, which he strongly denies. and we, of course, heard those strong words by president putin just a few moments ago. and in the last few hours , we've heard the last few hours, we've heard from the prime minister rishi

sunak, speaking to the bbc, saying we're keeping a close eye on the situation as it's evolving on the ground as we speak. and he also went on to say we're in touch with our allies and in fact, we'll be speaking to some of them later today. so plenty of developments when it comes to this. the ministry of defence here in in the uk provided an intelligence update earlier this morning, saying over the next coming hours the loyalty russian hours the loyalty of russian security forces, especially the national russian guard, will be key to how this crisis plays out. so plenty of developments, but questions still remain. what this means about russia's invasion on ukraine and what's going to happen with their allies as well. thank you very much, theo. that's theo cnrvonna— much, theo. that's theo chikomba, our- rt that's theo chikomba, our news rt.“ that's theo chikomba, our news reporter oarsrae— chikomba, our news reporter oarsrae ane— chikomba, our news reporter outside the russian embassy this morning. — outside the russian embassy this morning. nov— outside the russian embassy this morning. now breaking news as near.— morning. now breaking news as vea- nearers— morning. now breaking news as well. reuters is— morning. now breaking news as well. reuters is now reporting anar— well. reuters is now reporting rnar roassran— well. reuters is now reporting that russian helicopters have opened— that russian helicopters have opened fire— that russian helicopters have opened fire on— that russian helicopters have opened fire on wagner group. opened fire on the wagner group. so opened fire on the wagner group. so joining— opened fire on the wagner group. so joining ne— opened fire on the wagner group. so joining ne ro— opened fire on the wagner group. so joining me to discuss this verv— so joining me to discuss this very ,— so joining me to discuss this very , verv— so joining me to discuss this very , verv nasa— so joining me to discuss this very , very fast moving story, very, very fast moving story, r-n — very, very fast moving story, i'm delighted— very, very fast moving story, i'm delighted to— very, very fast moving story, i'm delighted to say, is you and eranr— i'm delighted to say, is you and eranr voa— i'm delighted to say, is you and oranr voa ana— i'm delighted to say, is you and grant you and you— i'm delighted to say, is you and grant you and you are a former

rnreureenee— grant you and you are a former intelligence analyst for ev—sovrer— intelligence analyst for ex—soviet state. so you have a lot ex—soviet state. so you have a or or— ex—soviet state. so you have a lot of expertise— ex—soviet state. so you have a lot of expertise in— ex—soviet state. so you have a lot of expertise in this area. vvnar— lot of expertise in this area. vvnar ao— lot of expertise in this area. vvnar ao voa— lot of expertise in this area. what do you make of what has nappenea— what do you make of what has happened overnight ? �*vvr�* happened overnight? whoosh. vera— happened overnight? whoosh. vreu. year.— happened overnight? whoosh. well, yeah, breaking news and fast developments. i think everyone in the west, frankly, has been a little surprised. it begs the question why prigozhin has moved and particularly why now . i think has moved and particularly why now. i think it's probably the case that he does genuinely believe it's going nowhere. and i think he's in a good position to make his case against the russian generals . but he has russian generals. but he has strongly overreact , acted, and strongly overreact, acted, and frankly, i don't think we should count president putin out now at all. not yet. but you mentioned earner— all. not yet. but you mentioned earner on— all. not yet. but you mentioned earlier on that— all. not yet. but you mentioned earlier on that the— \ but you mentioned earlier on that the dates are srgnrnoanr— earlier on that the dates are significant in— earlier on that the dates are significant in this as well. vean— significant in this as well. vean vveve— significant in this as well. yeah we've got- significant in this as well. yeah we've got a number of key anniversaries coming up. i mean, the anniversaries coming up. i mean, she rooarrons— anniversaries coming up. i mean, the locations are— anniversaries coming up. i mean, the locations are including the latest news from voronezh where we're hearing that wagner may have had some of its forces is in that city or that region.

now, that's the classic rock transit route . rostov to moscow transit route. rostov to moscow . it's literally straight out of the german invasion. this week in 1942, the second invasion towards stalingrad. and then we've got the great thing in russian history of the kursk offensive in 1943, where the anniversary 80 years ago is next week . this is all anniversary 80 years ago is next week. this is all extremely symbolic. astonishing. week. this is all extremely symbolic . astonishing. so do we symbolic. astonishing. so do we do symbolic. astonishing. so do we ao ve— symbolic. astonishing. so do we no we rnrnv— symbolic. astonishing. so do we do we think at— symbolic. astonishing. so do we do we think at the— if; rt. astonishing. so do we do we think at the moment that evrovrne— do we think at the moment that evrovrne nas— do we think at the moment that cytokine has actually got connot— cytokine has actually got eonrror or— cytokine has actually got control of rostov on don? i mean, he's got— control of rostov on don? i mean, he's got 25,000 troops rnere— mean, he's got 25,000 troops rnere .— mean, he's got 25,000 troops rnere . r— mean, he's got 25,000 troops there . i mean,— mean, he's got 25,000 troops there . i mean, they're not there. i mean, they're not rrooos— there. i mean, they're not troops there. _ there. i mean, they're not troops there. a- there. i mean, they're not troops there. a mercenary group. so troops there. a mercenary group. so nar— troops there. a mercenary group. so oar rnev— troops there. a mercenary group. so but they have— troops there. a mercenary group. so but they have obviously been been— so but they have obviously been seen nonrrng— so but they have obviously been been fighting very, very nereerv— been fighting very, very fiercely on— been fighting very, very fiercely on behalf of russia in ukraine.— fiercely on behalf of russia in ukraine. so— fiercely on behalf of russia in ukraine. so for— fiercely on behalf of russia in ukraine. so for most people this morning,— ukraine. so for most people this mommg, rr-s— ukraine. so for most people this morning, it's like— ukraine. so for most people this morning, it's like they're rarnrne— morning, it's like they're turning their— morning, it's like they're turning their back on. but the rerarronsnro— turning their back on. but the relationship between the wagner group— relationship between the wagner eroao ana— relationship between the wagner group and putin— relationship between the wagner group and putin now is very nonrea— group and putin now is very fractured, isn't— group and putin now is very fractured, isn't it? i mean, as— fractured, isn't it? i mean, as ane— fractured, isn't it? i mean, as rne avo— fractured, isn't it? i mean, it's the two men have were close arenas— it's the two men have were close friends ana— it's the two men have were close friends and have— it's the two men have were close friends and have now obviously

rauen— friends and have now obviously rauen oar.— friends and have now obviously fallen out. well— friends and have now obviously fallen out. well close allies, arose— fallen out. well close allies, close allies— fallen out. well close allies, close allies ._ fallen out. well close allies, close allies . yeah. if anyone is close allies. yeah. if anyone is ever a friend. _ close allies. yeah. if anyone is ever a friend. so— close allies. yeah. if anyone is ever a friend. so they've got 25. — ever a friend. so they've got 25. -rn— ever a friend. so they've got 25.-in control- ever a friend. so they've got 25.-in control of. ever a friend. so they've got 25. in control of that 25. are they in control of that owns— 25. are they in control of that town? rostov— 25. are they in control of that town? rostov on— 25. are they in control of that town? rostov on don, which i rnrnv— town? rostov on don, which i rnrnvlrr— town? rostov on don, which i think.1.1million_ town? rostov on don, which i think 1.1 million population. think is 1.1 million population. it'slmajor_ think is 1.1 million population. it'slmajor any.— think is 1.1 million population. it'slmajor city. and- think is 1.1 million population. it'slmajor city. and of- it's a major city. and of course, remember, spread course, remember, it's spread across the mouth of across the river, the mouth of the so it is the hub the don river. so it is the hub of the region and region of the entire region and region in a long way. that's why it was again, it was a yo—yo city, right? the second world war. it changed hands several times, right? think certainly right? yes. i think certainly from president putin has from what president putin has said the measures and his said and the measures and his demeanour , which seem demeanour, which seem to indicate is serious, he indicate it is serious, he didn't entirely happy on didn't look entirely happy on the screen, did he? yes he has control of the city. it's worth remembering that wagner and rostov go back a long way. the group was as while its nerve centre was in saint petersburg, the saint petersburg mafia in all senses of the word mafia. but krasnodar region and krasnodar city immediately to the south of rostov is where wagner was set up. so there's huge cross—fertilisation in,

including with the regular army, because units from both and both regions served in syria. right. okay so the wagner group was r-asr— okay so the wagner group was as a— okay so the wagner group was r-asr a on— okay so the wagner group was as a on or— (es/£3; so the wagner group was just a bit of background here for just a bit of background here nor voa— just a bit of background here nor voa were— just a bit of background here for you were set— just a bit of background here for you were set up in 2014 with aboar— for you were set up in 2014 with anoar zeo— for you were set up in 2014 with about 250 people,— for you were set up in 2014 with about 250 people, we think. and nas— about 250 people, we think. and nas a— about 250 people, we think. and now has a force— about 250 people, we think. and now has a force of— about 250 people, we think. and now has a force of what some 500,000— now has a force of what some sooooo ao— now has a force of what some 500,000 do, we _ now has a force of what some 500,000 do, we think? well, i rnrnv— 500,000 do, we think? well, i rnrnv rnar-s— 500,000 do, we think? well, i think that's an— 500,000 do, we think? well, i think that's an exaggeration, nenre — think that's an exaggeration, nonre year.— think that's an exaggeration, right? “415?" t think that's an exaggeration, right? / t right? yeah, because obviously how you count. yes it's really several organisations brought together its foundation goes back a long, long way to the immediate post—soviet era. the saint petersburg network of putin and particularly the soviet and later russian intelligence arm, the gru , the intelligence arm, the gru, the people who went on there murderous intent visit to salisbury. it goes back to there follow the mines , follow the follow the mines, follow the diamonds , follow the soviet era diamonds, follow the soviet era helicopter was in africa when wagner went to syria and when it went to libya and much further south. remember it had a

reception committee . it's been reception committee. it's been around for a while. so there's it's a tangled web. and they are rnev— it's a tangled web. and they are rnev are— it's a tangled web. and they are they are designated— it's a tangled web. and they are they are designated as- they are designated as a rerronsr— they are designated as a terrorist group. but eventually, vean— terrorist group. but eventually, yeah, eventually— terrorist group. but eventually, yeah, eventually , yeah. but yeah, eventually, yeah. but nann— yeah, eventually, yeah. but rarrn nas— yeah, eventually, yeah. but putin has been— yeah, eventually, yeah. but putin has been using them to sonne— putin has been using them to commit atrocities— putin has been using them to commit atrocities in the ukraine.— commit atrocities in the ukraine. yeah.- commit atrocities in the ukraine. yeah. so do we think anar— ukraine. yeah. so do we think rnar rnrs— ukraine. yeah. so do we think rnar rnrs rs— ukraine. yeah. so do we think that this is serious, that vvagnere— that this is serious, that vvagnere r— that this is serious, that wagner? i mean, it's a thousand maes— wagner? i mean, it's a thousand nrres non— wagner? i mean, it's a thousand miles from rostov— wagner? i mean, it's a thousand miles from rostov to moscow rrsern — miles from rostov to moscow rrsern no — miles from rostov to moscow rrsern no voa— miles from rostov to moscow itself. do you do— miles from rostov to moscow itself. do you do we think he vau— itself. do you do we think he vvru arrenor— itself. do you do we think he will attempt to— itself. do you do we think he will attempt to march into the env— will attempt to march into the any or— will attempt to march into the city of moscow?— will attempt to march into the city of moscow? no. what do you rnrnve — city of moscow? no. what do you rnrnve roo— city of moscow? no. what do you think? too far— city of moscow? no. what do you think? too far and— city of moscow? no. what do you think? too far and too- city of moscow? no. what do you think? too far and too difficult about putin still has several arms up his sleeve. there are new groups which are those small would be very much totally loyal to the regime because everything goesif to the regime because everything goes if they go particularly gazprom's private military company, which is essentially the same way. wagner started, and also the presidential guard. but it's whether he can strike a deal with the military on the ground who are after all, the ones directing the war in ukraine against ukraine, and to at least escape with his life

and get some kind of face saver because he has his claims that prigozhin has claimed that the russian military top brass are lying to putin and hiding what is really going on in the ukraine in the conflict there . ukraine in the conflict there. so do you think that he has a nonr— so do you think that he has a porn rnere— so do you think that he has a point there that— so do you think that he has a point there that maybe putin rsn-r— point there that maybe putin am being— point there that maybe putin isn't being told— point there that maybe putin isn't being told by his military top isn't being told by his military or brasse— isn't being told by his military top brass? yes— isn't being told by his military top brass? yes he— isn't being told by his military top brass? yes he does. but of course, i suspect what i think surprised so many is that he was really being in my view, and the view of quite a few others, including frontline reporters in ukraine who've been in moscow, that he was really a sounding board for putin. and for that to seemingly have changed, changed. it does suggest that things aren't going seriously wrong . aren't going seriously wrong. and the result , it's aren't going seriously wrong. and the result, it's very modest at the moment of the ukrainian counter—offensive revealed that they may be able to hold off the ukrainians . they probably will

ukrainians. they probably will be able to, but they can't go any further. so where do we go from here? are we going to be bogged down for years? and he's finally enough. do you think finally had enough. do you think that finally had enough. do you think rnar-norennar— finally had enough. do you think that-potentiallhappen- that has potential to happen anar— that has potential to happen mar-soare— that has potential to happen that-could go- that has potential to happen that could go on on for that this could go on and on for severa— that this could go on and on for severar years— that this could go on and on for several years now? “ several years now? frozen confuse— several years now? frozen conflict? yeah low level because remember, it happened in the donbas itself . luhansk, luhansk donbas itself. luhansk, luhansk and donetsk . after 2014, it was and donetsk. after 2014, it was going on right from the time crimea was taken up until 2020, which was nearly eight years. we did nothing about it, did we? rereason— we did nothing about it, did we? rergason nas— we did nothing about it, did we? ferguson has also— we did nothing about it, did we? ferguson has also also said that nasreauv— ferguson has also also said that nasreauv one— ferguson has also also said that basically the reasons putin has given— basically the reasons putin has given for— basically the reasons putin has given for invading ukraine in the given for invading ukraine in rne nrsr— given for invading ukraine in the first place— given for invading ukraine in the first place are profoundly wrong— the first place are profoundly vvrong .— the first place are profoundly vvrong . ana— the first place are profoundly vvrong . ana n— the first place are profoundly wrong . and it was all just about wrong. and it was all just about son— wrong. and it was all just about son or— wrong. and it was all just about son or n..— wrong. and it was all just about sort of like, you— wrong. and it was all just about sort of like, you know, people nonrrne— sort of like, you know, people nanrrna ror— sort of like, you know, people fighting for position within the roassran— fighting for position within the russian military— fighting for position within the russian military forces. and it raso— russian military forces. and it as are— russian military forces. and it was just like proving sort of are— was just like proving sort of are ,— was just like proving sort of are , voa— was just like proving sort of like , you know,— was just like proving sort of like , you know, i'm a bigger man like, you know, i'm a bigger man rnan— like, you know, i'm a bigger man rnan voa— like, you know, i'm a bigger man than you rather— like, you know, i'm a bigger man than you rather than the actual reasons putin— than you rather than the actual reasons putin has— than you rather than the actual reasons putin has given for rnvaarne— reasons putin has given for invading ukraine. do you think anar— invading ukraine. do you think rnar anar— invading ukraine. do you think that that might— invading ukraine. do you think that that might have some erenenr— that that might have some erenenr or— that that might have some element of truth in there as verte— element of truth in there as well? there's— element of truth in there as well? there's a— element of truth in there as

well? there's a lot of elements of well? there's a lot of elements or rrarn— well? there's a lot of elements of truth, mind _ well? there's a lot of elements of truth, mind you. o” rt.r:::rc. of truth, mind you. of course, goes— of truth, mind you. of course, goes into — of truth, mind you. of course, goes into are certainly goes into motives are certainly not as snow. no but not white as snow. no but i mean, the i, i worked in ukraine many times and including for several years at the time at and this is complete nonsense about . and so on. it is pure imperial land grab when he thought the west was weak after crimea . as west was weak after crimea. as you wish. we did nothing about. no, ansorarerv— we did nothing about. no, absolutely complete nonsense . nann— no, absolutely complete nonsense . nranr. okay.— no, absolutely complete nonsense . nranr. okay. so— no, absolutely complete nonsense . right. okay. so what does this anar— . right. okay. so what does this vnar does— . right. okay. so what does this what does this— . right. okay. so what does this what does this actually this development— what does this actually this development mean for the unarnee — development mean for the ukraine? it— development mean for the ukraine? cg development mean for the ukraine? c g c development mean for the- ukraine? it gives sometime. let ukraine? it gives some time. let us hope that time is used, which the uk and the us used fairly well. others did to not make sure we keep up the help to ukraine. diplomatic, economic, technological erg military equipment . technological erg military equipment. let's not technological erg military equipment . let's not forget that equipment. let's not forget that we're giving a lot of money and equipment and training to ukraine, but they're helping us as well. their experience is

helping us. so we should recognise that and keep up the help. that's great. thank you ana— help. that's great. thank you and rnanv— help. that's great. thank you and rnanv voa— help. that's great. thank you and thank you so— that's great. thank you and thank you so much. thank voa— and thank you so much. thank voa. rorauv— and thank you so much. thank you. totally illuminating on a verv— you. totally illuminating on a veryr verv— you. totally illuminating on a veryr verv rasr— you. totally illuminating on a very, very fast breaking story. rnar-s— very, very fast breaking story. was voa— very, very fast breaking story. that's you and— very, very fast breaking story. that's you and grant, a former rnreragenee— that's you and grant, a former intelligence analyst soviet intelligence analyst for soviet srares— intelligence analyst for soviet srares ana — intelligence analyst for soviet states and some— intelligence analyst for soviet states and some breaking news on this states and some breaking news on rnrs as— states and some breaking news on rnrs as vea- — states and some breaking news on this as well. the— states and some breaking news on this as well. the government this as well. the uk government nave— this as well. the uk government have announced— this as well. the uk government have announced that there is an emergency— have announced that there is an emergency meeting to be held ants— emergency meeting to be held ants-on— emergency meeting to be held rnrs-on ants.- emergency meeting to be held this-on this. as- this afternoon on this. as i sata— this afternoon on this. as i said, developing said, very fast developing srraarron— said, very fast developing srraarron .— said, very fast developing situation . un— said, very fast developing situation . un thank you very situation. un thank you very naen— situation. un thank you very naen for— situation. un thank you very much for coming in today. right. rnrs— much for coming in today. right. rnrs veer— much for coming in today. right. rnrs vveev rne— much for coming in today. right. this week the bank of england eonnrnea— this week the bank of england confirmed mortgage owners this week the bank of england confirfears mortgage owners this week the bank of england confirfears into mortgage owners this week the bank of england confirfears into fixed gage owners this week the bank of england confirfears into fixed rates owners this week the bank of england confirfears into fixed rates are ers worst fears into fixed rates are ar— worst fears into fixed rates are ar e.— worst fears into fixed rates are ar 5- rr-s— worst fears into fixed rates are now at 5. it's the— worst fears into fixed rates are now at 5. it's the highest level in re— now at 5. it's the highest level in re vears — now at 5. it's the highest level in 15 years. and— now at 5. it's the highest level in 15 years. and of— now at 5. it's the highest level in 15 years. and of course , the in 15 years. and of course, the political— in 15 years. and of course, the political finger— in 15 years. and of course, the political finger pointing has arreaav— political finger pointing has already begun— political finger pointing has already begun with the chancellor's- already begun with the chancellor's economic adviser saving— chancellor's economic adviser savrng rne— chancellor's economic adviser saying the bank— chancellor's economic adviser saying the bank of england are just saying the bank of england are as making— saying the bank of england are as making n— saying the bank of england are just making it worse for homeowners— just making it worse for homeowners by failing to kerb rnrranon. — homeowners by failing to kerb inflation. yesterday, the chancellor— inflation. yesterday, the chancellor met with bank bosses. as nressare— chancellor met with bank bosses. as pressure grows— chancellor met with bank bosses. as pressure grows on them to offer— as pressure grows on them to offer more— as pressure grows on them to offer more support to customers . raced— offer more support to customers . raeea ann— offer more support to customers . faced with rising— offer more support to customers . faced with rising mortgage oavnenrs— . faced with rising mortgage oavnenrs .— . faced with rising mortgage oavnenrs , rne— . faced with rising mortgage payments , the chancellor says payments, the chancellor says nes— payments, the chancellor says ne-s naae — payments, the chancellor says he's made three— payments, the chancellor says he's made three major agreements wran— he's made three major agreements vvrrn renders— he's made three major agreements with lenders and— he's made three major agreements with lenders and here's what he nae— with lenders and here's what he nae ro— with lenders and here's what he nae ro sav— with lenders and here's what he

had to say yesterday . : had to say yesterday. so today i agreea— had to say yesterday. so today i agreed with the banks and the principal mortgage lenders. three very important things . the three very important things. the first is that absolutely anyone can talk to their bank or their mortgage lender and it will have no impact whatsoever on their credit score. that's really important. a lot of people worry about that . the second is that about that. the second is that if you are anxious about the impact on your family finances and you change your mortgage to interest only, or you extend the term of your mortgage and you want to go back to your original mortgage deal within six months, you can do so, no questions asked , no impact on your credit asked, no impact on your credit score . that i think is going to score. that i think is going to give people a lot of comfort and stop people worrying about having conversations with their banks when they are worried about their financial situation and the final thing is for people who are at risk of losing their home in that extreme situation in the banks and mortgage lenders have a number

of things in place. it's the last thing that they want to do to repossess a home. but in that extreme situation , they have extreme situation, they have agreed there will be a minimum 12 month period before there's a repossession without consent . repossession without consent. very smooth , isn't he? but who's very smooth, isn't he? but who's really to very smooth, isn't he? but who's really ro evane— very smooth, isn't he? but who's really to blame ?_ very smooth, isn't he? but who's really to blame ? and— «rtg c “rt;7 but who's really to blame ? and what does really to blame? and what does rnrs— really to blame? and what does rnrs au— really to blame? and what does this all mean— really to blame? and what does this all mean for— really to blame? and what does this all mean for the pennies in voar— this all mean for the pennies in voar decreasing— this all mean for the pennies in your decreasing amount of pennies— your decreasing amount of pennies tn— your decreasing amount of pennies in your— your decreasing amount of pennies in your pocket? joining me now is director and eo—roanaer— me now is director and co—founder at- me now is director and co—founder at regionally, justin arranan— co—founder at regionally, justin urquhart stewart. _ co—founder at regionally, justin urquhart stewart. justin, thank you urquhart stewart. justin, thank voa so— urquhart stewart. justin, thank voa so naon— urquhart stewart. justin, thank you so much for— urquhart stewart. justin, thank you so much for coming in on rnrs— you so much for coming in on rnrs lovely— you so much for coming in on this lovely saturday afternoon . this lovely saturday afternoon. however, we are _ this lovely saturday afternoon. however, we are all feeling the onen— however, we are all feeling the ornen. were— however, we are all feeling the pinch. we're feeling the pinch even more now— pinch. we're feeling the pinch even more now .— pinch. we're feeling the pinch even more now . what do you make even more now. what do you make of even more now. what do you make or vnar— even more now. what do you make or vnar rerenv— even more now. what do you make of what jeremy hunt— even more now. what do you make of what jeremy hunt has said? wet,— of what jeremy hunt has said? wen, nanny— of what jeremy hunt has said? wen, rranvrv ,— of what jeremy hunt has said? well, frankly , this is people well, frankly, this is people vno— well, frankly, this is people vvno really— well, frankly, this is people vvno really r— well, frankly, this is people who really i think, understand the situation— who really i think, understand the situation and— who really i think, understand the situation and understand anar— the situation and understand vnar rne— the situation and understand what the how— the situation and understand what the how do you actually go aboar— what the how do you actually go about finishing— what the how do you actually go about finishing it?— what the how do you actually go about finishing it? t about finishing it? because at the moment, what you've got is the moment, what you've got is the bank of england and five seconds and they've only got one tool. there are lots of things they but everything they can do, but everything is apparently they can do, but everything is apprgively they can do, but everything is apprgive a man a hammer,

you give a man a hammer, everything looks like a nail. so as far they're concerned, as far as they're concerned, they this they just keep on banging this one, i'm one, banging the. now i'm wondering really wondering why nothing's really occurring, this inflation is not caused and i going out on caused by you and i going out on a boom. that's not a spending boom. that's not happening. it's because of actually the underlying issues we've of wheat oil, all we've had of wheat and oil, all those basic prices going those other basic prices going up and so that's where you're seeing that that squeeze come through. and that's difficult to try and manage. and of course , try and manage. and of course, when richard sunak says, i can actually halve this in 12, but you can't it's in your power you can't it's not in your power to so. asi you can't it's not in your power to so. as i say , you know, to do so. as i say, you know, raising— to do so. as i say, you know, raising interest— to do so. as i say, you know, raising interest rates- raising interest rates constantly- raising interest rates constantly ,- raising interest rates constantly , is that the best way constantly, is that the best way to constantly, is that the best way ro bring— constantly, is that the best way to bring inflation— constantly, is that the best way to bring inflation down? well if you 90— to bring inflation down? well if voa go nast— to bring inflation down? well if voa go back ro— to bring inflation down? well if you go back to the old days of rnrrarron— you go back to the old days of inflation where _ you go back to the old days of inflation where you're trying to get inflation where you're trying to oer rne — inflation where you're trying to get the consumer— inflation where you're trying to get the consumer to for heaven's sake,— get the consumer to for heaven's save-ress — get the consumer to for heaven's save-ress voa— get the consumer to for heaven's sake, less, you know, sake, spend less, you know, it vvoara— sake, spend less, you know, it- vvoara—eeononv would actually make the economy a—ana— would actually make the economy a—ana so— would actually make the economy a—ana so we- would actually make the economy a_and so we can. a bit smaller. and so we can actually try structure it actually try and structure it that fine then. that way. well that's fine then. this different type this is a different type of structure the answer structure in now. so the answer isn't just interest rates in fact, what is, is actually fact, what it is, is actually creating more confidence the creating more confidence in the economy getting growing economy to be getting it growing . that? look at the . how do we do that? look at the companies that are still setting up the governments up at the moment. governments can actually help, not by giving

them them tax them money, give them tax breaks. the breaks. you've got the enterprise investment scheme that be done a regional that could be done on a regional basis. new basis. there's lots of new businesses setting up round businesses setting up go round all tech business parks all the high tech business parks you've got around the country. and trouble is we don't let and the trouble is we don't let them because they don't them grow because they don't have term financing have enough long term financing we took it we gives them because we took it away. a away. so funnily enough, a bright comes over from bright american comes over from silicon takes silicon valley and takes them all there. indeed. and you all over there. indeed. and you know,— all over there. indeed. and you know, torna— all over there. indeed. and you know, going back— all over there. indeed. and you know, going back to— c“trrt;t; indeed. and you know, going back to the past, vnen—ana- know, going back to the past,- when_and interest when mortgage rates and interest rares— when mortgage rates and interest rares-naen— when mortgage rates and interest rates-much higher- when mortgage rates and interest rates much higher than they rates were much higher than they are-we'reigoing- rates were much higher than they are-we'reigoing ,- rates were much higher than they are we're going , oh, are now, we're all going, oh, my god,— are now, we're all going, oh, my goa-nar— are now, we're all going, oh, my goa-nar-rn— are now, we're all going, oh, my god,.but-in the- are now, we're all going, oh, my god,.but-in the day,- god, 5. but back in the day, rnere— god, 5. but back in the day, rnere-ror— god, 5. but back in the day, there-lot higher- god, 5. but back in the day, there lot higher than there were a lot higher than mar,— there were a lot higher than that-they?- there were a lot higher than that,-they? 15%- there were a lot higher than that, they? 15% at one that, weren't they? 15% at one snee— that, weren't they? 15% at one srage, r— that, weren't they? 15% at one srage, r- r — that, weren't they? 15% at one stage, i i remember that stage, i think i remember that one—vean- stage, i think i remember that one—vean n- stage, i think i remember that one._yeah, it has.| one. absolutely. yeah, it has. on,— one. absolutely. yeah, it has. nan—nast- one. absolutely. yeah, it has. nan—naev tn- one. absolutely. yeah, it has. . but,-back in-day, but, you know, back in the day, nosr— but, you know, back in the day, most—variable- most people had variable montages.— most people had variable mortgages. most people have mortgages. now most people have got mortgages. now most people have to tree— mortgages. now most people have got fixed mortgages , but got fixed rate mortgages, but the got fixed rate mortgages, but rne—seen- got fixed rate mortgages, but rne—seen ro- got fixed rate mortgages, but- the_seem to.giving the bank don't seem to be giving arrne— the bank don't seem to be giving arrne for— the bank don't seem to be giving arrne for one— the bank don't seem to be giving a time for one interest rate to work— a time for one interest rate to work before— a time for one interest rate to work before they— a time for one interest rate to work before they hike it up again— work before they hike it up agarn ana— work before they hike it up again and again. c work before they hike it up again and again. rrtg again and again. it's all very starr— again and again. it's all very short term . 2 to 3 year short term. 2 to 3 year mortgages learn something from the states and when you get 20 yean the states and when you get 20 year, year mortgage, then at year, 50 year mortgage, then at least actually make sure least you can actually make sure you for it. and least you can actually make sure yotlong for it. and least you can actually make sure yotlong term for it. and least you can actually make sure yotlong term planningtr it. and least you can actually make sure yotlong term planning easilynd so long term planning easily done other things that those

banks could actually try and do now none of this is rather now and none of this is rather airy fairy stuff of not foreclose on stuff they don't want to foreclose because they don't have that headline don't want to have that headline against it's against them. and it's expensive. do is expensive. what they can do is actually interest actually say the extra interest you're to be paying you're going to be paying because of what the market will capitalise that into the mortgage. can pay it off mortgage. so you can pay it off later on. use some flexibility that are all sorts that way. there are all sorts of various can it. various ways you can do it. create mortgage so create a family mortgage so you're upon one you're not dependent upon one person you always person doing it and you always our kids can't afford to buy a house. don't. the family, house. they don't. the family, in , is transferring in effect, is transferring this down chain. so in effect, is transferring this down chain . so how much how down the chain. so how much how responsrnre— down the chain. so how much how responsrnre are— down the chain. so how much how responsible are the— down the chain. so how much how responsible are the bank- : rt.“rt “ so how much how responsible are the bank of rngrana— responsible are the bank of rngrana for— responsible are the bank of england for this crisis? i mean, you— england for this crisis? i mean, voa know,— england for this crisis? i mean, you know, there— england for this crisis? i mean, you know, there are lots of finger— you know, there are lots of finger governments finger pointing governments savrne— saying you're for bank of endemi— saying you're for bank of- rngrana,—voa-re england, saying actually you're for. — england, saying actually you're for. .rne— england, saying actually you're for. .the answer-part. england, saying actually you're for. but the answer is part of it. and my view significant. it. and my view is significant. part. because we went part. why? because we went through banking crisis and through the banking crisis and we had have qe at the end of we had to have qe at the end of that of qe. i remember that period of qe. i remember talking bank talking to someone from the bank of i said, if this of england. i said, if this happens again. he said, well, we can't can't again. we can't we can't do qe again. we cannot do that. within can't we can't do qe again. we cannyears, do that. within can't we can't do qe again. we cannyears, when do that. within can't we can't do qe again. we cannyears, when the 1at. within can't we can't do qe again. we cannyears, when the pandemic| four years, when the pandemic started, we are doing it again.

and so given ourselves and so we've given ourselves this level of debt. the this high level of debt. the other element which missed other element which they missed out had low , low out on is you had low, low interest rates because of the banking they were banking crisis. they were emergency instead of emergency rates instead of actually saying, actually actually saying, well, actually this start this is we've got to start putting now because putting them up now because i can't rates they're at can't cut rates when they're at nought. they have been nought. they should have been doing ago, doing this ten years ago, building slowly building it up slowly because that's long management that's the long term management of they've made of the economy. so they've made it by effectively enticing it worse by effectively enticing people in and saying, yeah, of course have borrowed lots of money at 1% without anyone saying should borrowing saying you should be borrowing at 4 or 5% rather than giving the nasty shock. so that's why i think weren't paying think they weren't paying attention. the fca, which was run oh, andrew bailey and run by, oh, andrew bailey and hadnt run by, oh, andrew bailey and hadn't helped with this either. and it's interesting what jeremy nanr— and it's interesting what jeremy nanr vas— and it's interesting what jeremy nanr saying-— and it's interesting what jeremy hunt was saying. it's sort of are— hunt was saying. it's sort of like repossessions will be put off like repossessions will be put on for— like repossessions will be put on for a— like repossessions will be put on for a year.— like repossessions will be put off for a year. he's got that agreemenr— off for a year. he's got that agreement with— off for a year. he's got that agreement with the banks and vert— agreement with the banks and vet; n— agreement with the banks and well, it takes— agreement with the banks and well, it takes a— agreement with the banks and well, it takes a year to repossess a— well, it takes a year to repossess a house in any case, aoesn-r— repossess a house in any case, aoesn-r ne— repossess a house in any case, aoesn-r rre rnev— repossess a house in any case, doesn't it? they didn't say mar,— doesn't it? they didn't say that, though,— doesn't it? they didn't say that, though, they? no, they that, though, did they? no, they aran-r. — that, though, did they? no, they aran-r. -rnar-s— that, though, did they? no, they didn't. that's justin didn't. exactly that's justin araanan— urquhart stewart. thank you very naen—roaav. - urquhart stewart. thank you very much _today. justin| much for coming in today. justin neauv— much for coming in today. justin teary—nonr-

really appreciate that. right you really appreciate that. right voa are— really appreciate that. right you are watching and listening to you are watching and listening o oo— you are watching and listening ro on news— you are watching and listening to gb news saturday with me , to gb news saturday with me, dann— to gb news saturday with me, navn neeson— to gb news saturday with me, dawn neesom and lots more coming up dawn neesom and lots more coming an on— dawn neesom and lots more coming at on roaav-s— dawn neesom and lots more coming at on roaav-s snow.— dawn neesom and lots more coming up on today's show. it's the stages— up on today's show. it's the biggest weekend of the british resrrvar— biggest weekend of the british festival calendar— biggest weekend of the british festival calendar as party goers floor— festival calendar as party goers nook ro— festival calendar as party goers flock to rural— festival calendar as party goers flock to rural somerset for erasronnarv— flock to rural somerset for glastonbury with guns n roses, rents— glastonbury with guns n roses, revvrs catara— glastonbury with guns n roses, lewis capaldi are— glastonbury with guns n roses, lewis capaldi are among those ravine— lewis capaldi are among those raving ro— lewis capaldi are among those ranng ro rne— lewis capaldi are among those taking to the stage today . but taking to the stage today. but first— taking to the stage today. but ntt, ters— taking to the stage today. but first, let's take— taking to the stage today. but first, let's take a— taking to the stage today. but first, let's take a look at the vearner— first, let's take a look at the weather with _ first, let's take a look at the weather with jonathan . weather with jonathan. hello there.— weather with jonathan. hello anore. rm— weather with jonathan. hello there, i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . despite the cloud, it office. despite the cloud, it has been a relatively settled start to the weekend for many of us, high pressure that's keeping it fine is slowly losing its grip on the uk and increasingly this area of low pressure in the north—west will become more of a feature of our weather as we head sunday. so some head into sunday. so some outbreaks of rain for parts of the western isles throughout later on this evening. and then gradually as we into the gradually as we head into the early hours of sunday morning, we'll see rain we'll start to see that rain push way into northern push its way into northern ireland for many of us, though, there will be some evening there will be some late evening sunshine clear intervals sunshine and clear intervals

dunng sunshine and clear intervals during period. but during the overnight period. but it to be a warm it is going to be a warm and humid of us, humid night for a lot of us, many and cities holding up many towns and cities holding up around 18 c. so quite uncomfortable for sleeping for many of us, a bright start to sunday for england, wales and scotland. increasingly this scotland. but increasingly this rain pushing rain is going to start pushing its way in the west, its way in from the west, providing some heavy outbreaks for northern ireland. later for northern ireland. then later into scotland, wales into scotland, northern wales and northern england, there is a chance some thunderstorms chance of some thunderstorms developing across eastern england into scotland as england up into scotland as well. torrential downpours , some well. torrential downpours, some localised is possible . localised flooding is possible. well ahead of that, though, we hold on to mild air in the hold on to the mild air in the south and really quite hot with highs of 30, 31 c. further towards the west. we're starting towards the west. we're starting to feed in some slightly fresher air as our winds shift direction to more of a westerly . and that to more of a westerly. and that will push across the of the will push across the rest of the uk as we head throughout sunday night. sunday not night. so sunday night not looking as and muggy for looking as humid and muggy for most us and will be most of us and it will be a little bit more comfortable when you're will be you're heading to bed. will be a bright start to monday. once that cleared off the that rain has cleared off the very north—west, scattering very far north—west, scattering of developing across the

of showers developing across the northern of the uk. but northern half of the uk. but some sunny intervals between some sunny intervals in between whilst it is turning fresher for all of us, we also open up the doors areas low doors to further areas of low pressure. so as we head towards tuesday and wednesday , there'll tuesday and wednesday, there'll be some longer spells be showers, some longer spells of but those of rain as well. but those temperatures, least by day temperatures, at least by day will more towards the will be down more towards the mid low 20s

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. it's regarded as a major event in british culture . the festival in british culture. the festival attracts some of the best talent in the entire world, and now my next guest knows a thing or two. a more than a thing or two. actually, he knows an awful lot more than most of us about the british music scene. he is a platinum selling multi—millionaire streaming music executive fuel music executive who helps fuel the growth of emerging artists. music executive who helps fuel the galsoh of emerging artists. music executive who helps fuel the galso veryamerging artists. music executive who helps fuel the galso very young 1g artists. music executive who helps fuel the galso very young himself. r. music executive who helps fuel the galso very young himself. so he's also very young himself. so joining me now is artist manager jd donovan. jd, thank you so much for coming in. i'm sure you'd much rather be at glastonbury than sitting in the studio talking to me. oh no, it's a pleasure to be- “g oh no, it's a pleasure to be here. dawn.— it's a pleasure to be here. oavn. roa— it's a pleasure to be here. dawn. you don't- it's a pleasure to be here. dawn. you don't knock yourself oar.— dawn. you don't knock yourself oar. — dawn. you don't knock yourself oar. rnanv— dawn. you don't knock yourself out. thank-really- out. thank you. really appreciate glastonbury, appreciate it. so glastonbury, okay. isit appreciate it. so glastonbury, okay. is it so important? okay. why is it so important? why such a huge thing now? why is it such a huge thing now? well, it's as a small city, ultimately, 210,000 people. we were just looking at the- iz�*r�*o 000 we were just looking at the acts tasr— were just looking at the acts rasr before— were just looking at the acts just before we— were just looking at the acts just before we started and we running— just before we started and we we're running you know, you're running— we're running you know, you're running oar— we're running you know, you're running oar or— we're running you know, you're running out of computer screen ana— running out of computer screen and-prero— running out of computer screen and pretty transformative and it's pretty transformative for rne— and it's pretty transformative for the british _ and it's pretty transformative for the british music economy. as— for the british music economy. it's transformative for the careers of an— it's transformative for the careers of an artist, but also to careers of an artist, but also roirnose—

careers of an artist, but also to.those people- careers of an artist, but also. to .those people -the to all those people behind the scenes-well. _ to all those people behind the scenes-well. - its - to all those people behind the scenes well. its own scenes as well. it's its own snar— scenes as well. it's its own small economy. _ scenes as well. it's its own small economy. short . small economy. in short. so voare— small economy. in short. so years a— small economy. in short. so years a big— small economy. in short. so you're a big fan— small economy. in short. so you're a big fan of- small economy. in short. so you're a big fan of glastonbury , aren't you? i don't. i think eveorvne— , aren't you? i don't. i think everyone probably- , aren't you? i don't. i think everyone probably is- c rtrc7 i don't. i think everyone probably is some c rtrc.7 i don't. i think everyone probably is some way everyone probably is in some way or another. people might disagree— or another. people might. disagree—bobs or another. people might- disagree_bobs that disagree with bits and bobs that go disagree with bits and bobs that ao—overau- disagree with bits and bobs that ao—overau r- disagree with bits and bobs that go_overall i thinki go on there, but overall i think it's go on there, but overall i think its-pore— go on there, but overall i think rr-s-nore-rn- go on there, but overall i think it's-pole-in our. it's a tent pole thing in our nasrear— it's a tent pole thing in our musical calendar in the british sarnrnernrne — musical calendar in the british summertime. lit— musical calendar in the british summertime. it doesn't summertime. if it doesn't nappen— summertime. if it doesn't nappen-vnovv- summertime. if it doesn't happen,-know it's happen, we all know that it's nor— happen, we all know that it's nothlastonbury_ happen, we all know that it's not glastonbury year during happen, we all know that it's not pandemic. ry year during happen, we all know that it's not pandemic. �*ing happen, we all know that it's not pandemic. cg happen, we all know that it's not pandemic. c “tr: the pandemic. obviously it had to stop everything. so what does it mean for an artist to actually get on that bill? i mean, there are lots and lots of artists. we've just scrolled down. even them down. i can't even count them all listed in all up. they're listed in alphabetical order. but you got guns tonight, it? guns n roses tonight, isn't it? the john the headline act? and elton john is yes, sir is it tomorrow? yes, sir elton tomorrow i'm with kids. tomorrow i'm down with the kids. so mean for an so what does it mean for an artist get on that bill? even artist to get on that bill? even in some of the smaller towns around main i think around the main stage, i think the again is the word i'd use again is transformative a career. if transformative to a career. if you get your first slot at- you get your first slot at glastonbury,— you get your first slot at glastonbury, where the glastonbury, where it's the snauesr— smallest nato the bbc introducing— introducing stage, even it can eav— introducing stage, even it can ream-know,— introducing stage, even it can really, know, propel you really, you know, propel you onro— really, you know, propel you onro-nevr— really, you know, propel you onto - next - it - really, you know, propel you onto - next- it be onto the next stage. it might be tasr— onto the next stage. it might be tasr-aenar— onto the next stage. it might be tasr-aenar-anai just out your debut album and rnen— just out your debut album and rnen voa— just out your debut album and rnen voa ger— just out your debut album and rnen voa oer a— just out your debut album and then you get a chance to play. roaste— then you get a chance to play. maisie peters— then you get a chance to play. maisie peters-her- then you get a chance to play. maisie peters her album maisie peters just put her album out maisie peters just put her album oar-anen— maisie peters just put her album out-then she's- out yesterday. then she's playing— out yesterday. then she's- pravrna—rvranra playing the other stage. pyramid

sage,— playing the other stage. pyramid sage—or- playing the other stage. pyramid sage—or neoprei stage, sorry, to a sea of people ana— stage, sorry, to a sea of people and rnar— stage, sorry, to a sea of people and rnar-tasr— stage, sorry, to a sea of people and that just skyrocket and that will just skyrocket her now superstardom, now probably to superstardom, i reko— now probably to superstardom, i reko .rr-s— now probably to superstardom, i reckon. - it's, - know, - now probably to superstardom, i reckon. it's, know, it's reckon. but it's, you know, it's nor— reckon. but it's, you know, it's nor-rm— reckon. but it's, you know, it's nor-rm verv— reckon. but it's, you know, it's not-i'm very keen- reckon. but it's, you know, it's not i'm very keen to say not just i'm very keen to say its— not just i'm very keen to say us nor— not just i'm very keen to say its nor-rne— not just i'm very keen to say it's not the artists, it's not just the artists, you know,— it's not just the artists, you hon-ton- it's not just the artists, you know, job working know, getting a job working at ekasronnarv— glastonbury is potentially transformative for your own career progression. you know, voar—sraae- career progression. you know, voar—sraae aornai your side of the stage doing soana— your side of the stage doing soana for— your side of the stage doing soana for a— your side of the stage doing sound for a huge artist that rnar-s— sound for a huge artist that mars-ara- sound for a huge artist that rnar-s-ara for- sound for a huge artist that that's gig for you and that's the next gig for you and on voa— that's the next gig for you and on voa 90— that's the next gig for you and on you go because as you say, its— on you go because as you say, its krke— on you go because as you say, its krke rr-s— on you go because as you say, it's like it's like— on you go because as you say, it's like it's like a— on you go because as you say, it's like it's like a small town varn— it's like it's like a small town vvrrn oeopke— it's like it's like a small town with people working on this it's like it's like a small town with pasple working on this it's like it's like a small town with pas well. king on this it's like it's like a small town with pas well. /rtrc on this it's like it's like a small town with pas well. /rtrc is it's like it's like a small town with pas well. /rtrc ; it's like it's like a small town with pas well. /rtrc event as well. you know. but you know, know, got know, a lot, you know, we've got elton john we've said, elton john as we've said, headlining tomorrow. we've had paul the past. the paul mccartney in the past. the rolling played rolling stones have also played there. now. do there. so a huge act. now. do they need to play they really need to play glastonbury ? i think it's a it's glastonbury? i think it's a it's a-vranke— glastonbury? i think it's a it's a-viable question.- c 37 i think it's a it's a viable question. and, you a very viable question. and, you know,— a very viable question. and, you knovv—rnrs- a very viable question. and, you tron—art veal know, the headliners this year are know, the headliners this year au— know, the headliners this year ark nake— know, the headliners this year are all male fronted acts, which i are all male fronted acts, which r—rrk-s— are all male fronted acts, which r—uk-s mask- i think for the uk's music rnaasrrv— i think for the uk's music rnaasrrv rs— i think for the uk's music industry is not— i think for the uk's music industry is not so great. and rnose— industry is not so great. and rnose rnose— industry is not so great. and those those guys— industry is not so great. and those those guys have already keen— those those guys have already been rnere— those those guys have already been there and— those those guys have already been there and done that. urrrnarekv— been there and done that. ultimately i— been there and done that. ultimately i think it's probably rrne— ultimately i think it's probably rrne rnar— ultimately i think it's probably rrne rnar ve— ultimately i think it's probably time that we start giving opportunities— time that we start giving opportunities next wave opportunities to the next wave ana— opportunities to the next wave and-ro— opportunities to the next wave and-to-emilyl and it's not to knock emily ravis— and it's not to knock emily ravrs ana— and it's not to knock emily eavis and who— and it's not to knock emily eavis and who runs glastonbury. sne-s— eavis and who runs glastonbury. sne-s nersekr— eavis and who runs glastonbury. she's herself has— eavis and who runs glastonbury. she's herself has said there's a rotten — she's herself has said there's a token vrrn— she's herself has said there's a problem with the— she's herself has said there's a problem with the pipeline in the uk problem with the pipeline in the rrk—rnar-sl uk music industry. now that's the uk music industry. now that's rne-r— uk music industry. now that's rne-r ao— uk music industry. now that's rne-r ao varn- uk music industry. now that's the i do with london the work that i do with london corkeae—

the work that i do with london corkeae or— the work that i do with london college of contemporary music to try college of contemporary music to rrv-sare— college of contemporary music to rrv-sare vve-re- college of contemporary music to try sure we're getting try and make sure we're getting rnose—rnro- those new talents into the sraaes. — those new talents into the- srapes. —pocess stages. but it's a huge process. voave— stages. but it's a huge process. voave por— stages. but it's a huge process. voave por ro— stages. but it's a huge process. you've got to start— stages. but it's a huge process. you've got to start right at the verv— you've got to start right at the very pregnant,— you've got to start right at the very beginning, otherwise , very beginning, otherwise, as voa-re—tasr- very beginning, otherwise, as voa-re—tasr goingi you're right, we're just going to-up_ you're right, we're just going ro-ap ann— you're right, we're just going ro-ap vrrn-ro- you're right, we're just going to up with, to say it, to end up with, hate to say it, oka— to end up with, hate to say it, ore-ana— to end up with, hate to say it, old-and stale- to end up with, hate to say it, old-and stale .thatl old male and stale acts that are conrrnarnp— old male and stale acts that are conrrnarnplpkav— old male and stale acts that are continuing play and we really continuing to play and we really need— continuing to play and we really neealcnanpe— continuing to play and we really need .change -yeah- continuing to play and we really need change yeah a continuing to play and we really need change yeah e , 3 need to change that. yeah > and the need to change that. yeah > and are orna— need to change that. yeah > and the other side— need to change that. yeah > and the other side of— need to change that. yeah > and the other side of glastonbury that of do that a lot of people do criticise is that it is hideously expensive . i mean, you hideously expensive. i mean, you know, when you look at all the acts on there, acts they've got on there, i mean it cost fortune to run. mean it cost a fortune to run. i completely appreciate that. but just go to glastonbury an just to go to glastonbury in an ordinary tent pitched, you know, miles stage , it cost a miles from the stage, it cost a lot. but you know, and you can, you know, you can spend thousands glamour thousands on the glamour experience. it is out of experience. and it is out of most people's pocket at the moment, isn't it? i think so. we've done some research that snows— we've done some research that snovs sero— we've done some research that snovs soap. or— we've done some research that shows 52% of young people want a career in music— shows 52% of young people want a career in music industry. 53% reek— career in music industry. 53% feet rnar— career in music industry. 53% feel that they're— career in music industry. 53% feel that they're priced out of sc— feel that they're priced out of music festivals— feel that they're priced out of music festivals .— feel that they're priced out of music festivals . and it's a real music festivals. and it's a real 52%— music festivals. and it's a real 52% van— music festivals. and it's a real 52% van a— music festivals. and it's a real 52% want a career— music festivals. and it's a real 52% want a career in the music rnaasrrv. — 52% want a career in the music rnaasrrv. rnev— 52% want a career in the music industry. they do,— 52% want a career in the music industry. “rt;3r r:rtr c 51594? 52% want a career in the music industry. “rt;3r r:rtr 515943 �*"rt;rt;c industry. they do, but 53% feel that out. so industry. they do, but 53% feel that out . so one that they're priced out. so one way to get the ultimate- so one way to get the ultimate mark srevn—rs- way to get the ultimate mark srevn—rs ro- way to get the ultimate mark steyn is to either steyn show pass is to either work— steyn show pass is to either vvorklrne— steyn show pass is to either work the industry try very

work in the industry or try very nae— work in the industry or try very nae-an— work in the industry or try very hard-an artist.- work in the industry or try very hard an artist. and it's a hard to be an artist. and it's a roapn— hard to be an artist. and it's a roapn one— hard to be an artist. and it's a roapn r— hard to be an artist. and it's a tough one. i think,— hard to be an artist. and it's a tough one. i think, you know, crasronparv— tough one. i think, you know, glastonbury has— tough one. i think, you know, glastonbury has to price itself accorctnpkv— accordingly. inflation doesn't nekp— accordingly. inflation doesn't helpiobviously. _ accordingly. inflation doesn't help obviously. week help. obviously. this week we've seenan—a- help. obviously. this week we've seen—and that'si seen the new figures and that's not seen the new figures and that's nor—r- seen the new figures and that's nor—r vau- seen the new figures and that's nor—r vvrkk sav| not going away. but i will say rnere-s— not going away. but i will say rnere-s tors— not going away. but i will say there's lots of— not going away. but i will say there's lots of other festivals rne — there's lots of other festivals across the uk— there's lots of other festivals across the uk well that are across the uk as well that are doing—trying- doing they're really trying to cap— doing they're really trying to cap-paces. — cap their prices. the association - association of independent resrrvaks—ai association of independent. festivals _ a lot festivals that represents a lot of festivals that represents a lot or me— festivals that represents a lot or rne nae— festivals that represents a lot of the indie festivals and glastonbury— of the indie festivals and glastonbury is- of the indie festivals and glastonbury is an independent reenac— glastonbury is an independent festival. they've— glastonbury is an independent festival. they've started an £18 rrcker— festival. they've started an £18 rrcker oner— festival. they've started an £18 ticket offer for— festival. they've started an £18 ticket offer for those 18 year ores— ticket offer for those 18 year okas vvno — ticket offer for those 18 year olds who weren't able to to olds who weren't able to go to resrrvaks— olds who weren't able to go to festivals-the— olds who weren't able to go to festivals the pandemic. festivals during the pandemic. it's _ festival. - it's called first festival. so if it's called first festival. so n-rs— it's called first festival. so if-18 between - it's called first festival. so if 18 between 2019 and if you're 18 between 2019 and roapnkv— if you're 18 between 2019 and roapnkv 2022,— if you're 18 between 2019 and roughly 2022, you can cash in aa— roughly 2022, you can cash in ma oner— roughly 2022, you can cash in that offer and— roughly 2022, you can cash in that offer and only get an £18 rrcker— that offer and only get an £18 rrckerla— that offer and only get an £18 ticket-a variety— that offer and only get an £18 ticket-a variety of- that offer and only get an £18 ticket a variety of festivals ticket to a variety of festivals up ticket to a variety of festivals ap -rne — ticket to a variety of festivals ap-rne coanrrvl ticket to a variety of festivals up the country. so up and down the country. so crasronparv— glastonbury will always be epesive— glastonbury will always be expensive ,— glastonbury will always be expensive , but— glastonbury will always be expensive , but it's glastonbury expensive, but it's glastonbury ana— expensive, but it's glastonbury anci rnere-s— expensive, but it's glastonbury and there's not— expensive, but it's glastonbury and there's not much they can do aboar— and there's not much they can do apoar-anrii— and there's not much they can do about-until prices— and there's not much they can do about until prices fall. about that until prices fall. nar— about that until prices fall. but-definitely- but there are definitely other oprions— but there are definitely other oprions-ana- but there are definitely other. options-and-are options out there and there are anor— options out there and there are anr-poinp- options out there and there are anr-poinp on- options out there and there are anr-poinp on inl a lot of festivals going on in ne— a lot of festivals going on in rne coanrrv— a lot of festivals going on in the country this— a lot of festivals going on in the country this year. c” rt;r: the country this year. i tried to the country this year. i tried as coanc— the country this year. i tried to count that— the country this year. i tried to count that as well and to count that up as well and i ran out after sort like, you ran out after sort of like, you know, hundred. but know, several hundred. but just one question, who one final quick question, jd who would ultimate glastonbury would your ultimate glastonbury headuner would your ultimate glastonbury headliner i mean , you headliner be? well, i mean, you know.— headliner be? well, i mean, you know. i— headliner be? well, i mean, you know. i work— headliner be? well, i mean, you know, i work with— headliner be? well, i mean, you know, i work with a— headliner be? well, i mean, you know, i work with a lot- : :rt;7 well, i mean, you know, i work with a lot of ranrasric— know, i work with a lot of fantastic artists, fantastic young artists, becks, rnese—peopiel fantastic young artists, becks,i these _ people like these brittle bones, people like

rnar—rnroapnl that that are coming through, ranrasric— that that are coming through, fantastic-at- that that are coming through, fantastic-at and- that that are coming through, fantastic at and the fantastic students at and the iories— fantastic students at and the tories blessing— fantastic students at and the tories blessing chapter won the voice— tories blessing chapter won the voice ak— tories blessing chapter won the voice iik .— tories blessing chapter won the voice iik . i— tories blessing chapter won the voice uk . i think— tories blessing chapter won the voice uk. i think it's time possipiv— voice uk. i think it's time possipiv ro— voice uk. i think it's time possibly to hand the baton over ro— possibly to hand the baton over ro-nexr— possibly to hand the baton over now to next generation. dave now to the next generation. dave or now to the next generation. dave er-knov.— now to the next generation. dave or- know, billie - now to the next generation. dave or know, billie eilish or or you know, billie eilish again.— or or you know, billie eilish again. pernaps.— or or you know, billie eilish again, perhaps, or ray they'd be, again, perhaps, or ray they'd ire. voa— again, perhaps, or ray they'd ire. voa know.— again, perhaps, or ray they'd ire. voa know. i— again, perhaps, or ray they'd be, you know, i think i want to van.— be, you know, i think i want to see. yeah, but— be, you know, i think i want to see. yeah, but you're- be, you know, i think i want to see. / ”rt; tfccc see. yeah, but you're still gonna see elton john maybe tomorrow. oh, well, who wouldn't? who wouldn't? who wouldn't? saw him this year. he was very was actually very, very great indeed. you much for indeed. jd thank you so much for coming and talking about coming in and talking about glastonbury and obviously i hope everyone lovely everyone down is having a lovely time the weather holds for time and the weather holds for you, that's jd donovan. you, right? that's jd donovan. thank for coming thank you very much for coming in. right in. appreciate that. right now, you've been getting in touch on the we've been the stories we've been discussing mortgage discussing today. mortgage or god to god from glastonbury to mortgages. says, i'm mortgages. daryl says, i'm not sure what the ultimate benefit of temporary changing the mortgage conditions is. it's kicking the can down the road, perhaps after perhaps until after the election. cynically if people can't afford to pay now , how can't afford to pay now, how will they in six months time? very good point actually. and on the actions of the wagner group in russia, said , it seems in russia, paul said, it seems putin's got no one on his side

anymore. even his closest ally has him . well, it does has turned on him. well, it does not. makes you wonder how not. it makes you wonder how close allies they in the close allies they were in the first doesn't it? on first place, doesn't it? and on the sally says , we need the economy, sally says, we need to the terrible to acknowledge the terrible impact furlough has had on the economy. good point, economy. it's a good point, actually. billions of actually. we spent billions of pounds paying people not to work, but keep your views coming in and subscribe to our youtube channel and follow us on twitter. we're at jb news now. you're watching and listening to gb news. indeed saturday with me, dawn neesom. lots more coming up on today's show at smokers are set to be offered a free lung check on the nhs. but is it right that the rest of us are forced to pay for someone else's lifestyle choice? all of that after these short messages

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on iipirai— dawn neesom on your online and on digital radio. _ dawn neesom on your online and on digital radio. mira" dawn neesom on your online and on digital radio. mir" \iii]\i" �*7 on digital radio. now. now, if you— on digital radio. now. now, if you ever smoked in your life, you ever smoked in your life, you are going to be offered a lung check on the nhs . the lung check on the nhs. the government is set to up mobile ct unit in supermarket car parks to give anyone who has ever smoked a lung exam from middle age under a new nhs plan to help boost cancer survival rates. now, joining me is the health and social affairs editor at the sunday express, lucy johnston , sunday express, lucy johnston, to explain exactly what is going on with this story. lucy good afternoon. thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. now, lucy , this is so if you've ever lucy, this is so if you've ever smoked even just a couple of cigarettes when you were a teenager and you're now middle aged, you're going to be offered free tests. so i this free lung tests. so i got this right out. not quite right, but yea— right out. not quite right, but vean .— right out. not quite right, but vean . ainosr— right out. not quite right, but yeah , almost there.- . gm not quite right, but yeah , almost there. so there yeah, almost there. so there aireaav— yeah, almost there. so there aireaiv ae— yeah, almost there. so there already are some pilot schemes out across the _ already are some pilot schemes out across the country now which are out across the country now which being— out across the country now which peinp piacea— out across the country now which are being placed in— out across the country now which are being placed in deprived ro— are being placed in deprived areas to encourage people who nave—

areas to encourage people who nave smoked— areas to encourage people who nave snokea or— areas to encourage people who have smoked or who currently smoke— have smoked or who currently snoke ro— have smoked or who currently snoke o oo— have smoked or who currently smoke to go and— have smoked or who currently smoke to go and get checked with a iov— smoke to go and get checked with a iov dose— smoke to go and get checked with a iov iose ci— smoke to go and get checked with a low dose ct scan— smoke to go and get checked with a low dose ct scan .— smoke to go and get checked with a low dose ct scan . they get a low dose ct scan. they get referred— a low dose ct scan. they get referred there _ a low dose ct scan. they get referred there is— a low dose ct scan. they get referred there is a- a low dose ct scan. they get referred there is a sort of before— referred there is a sort of before voa— referred there is a sort of before you actually get to be referred— before you actually get to be referred for— before you actually get to be referred for a _ before you actually get to be referred for a scan , you will be referred for a scan, you will be assessed ani— referred for a scan, you will be assessed and your— referred for a scan, you will be assessed and your risk will be assessed according to some aiporirnn— assessed according to some aiporirnn or— assessed according to some algorithm or stratification. so it algorithm or stratification. so i nav— algorithm or stratification. so i may be— algorithm or stratification. so ir may be rnar— algorithm or stratification. so it may be that if— algorithm or stratification. so it may be that if you've just smoked— it may be that if you've just smoked once— it may be that if you've just smoked once at— it may be that if you've just smoked once at a party, you vvoaicin-r— smoked once at a party, you wouldn't qualify— smoked once at a party, you wouldn't qualify . but these wouldn't qualify. but these noisie— wouldn't qualify. but these mobile units— wouldn't qualify. but these mobile units have only been sort of mobile units have only been sort or covering— mobile units have only been sort or covering pan— mobile units have only been sort of covering part of— mobile units have only been sort of covering part of the country. kni— of covering part of the country. and i— of covering part of the country. and i rnink— of covering part of the country. and i think what— of covering part of the country. and i think what the plan is, is to and i think what the plan is, is o roii— and i think what the plan is, is o roii rnen— and i think what the plan is, is to roll them out— and i think what the plan is, is to roll them out across the vnoie— to roll them out across the whole country,— to roll them out across the whole country, although that nasn-r— whole country, although that nasn-r keen— whole country, although that hasn't been announced, it's been son— hasn't been announced, it's been son or— hasn't been announced, it's been son or ieakea— hasn't been announced, it's been son or ieakeci .— hasn't been announced, it's been sort of leaked . and— hasn't been announced, it's been sort of leaked . and i think the sort of leaked. and i think the goevernrnnr— sort of leaked. and i think the government, the— sort of leaked. and i think the government, the ministers are raking— government, the ministers are raiking aboar— government, the ministers are talking about it.— government, the ministers are talking about it. it has been recommended— talking about it. it has been recommended by the national screening— recommended by the national screening committee. so it looks like screening committee. so it looks iike ir-s— screening committee. so it looks iike its going— screening committee. so it looks iike its going ro— screening committee. so it looks like it's going to happen, but it's like it's going to happen, but its nor.— like it's going to happen, but its nor. vo— like it's going to happen, but it's not. no big— like it's going to happen, but it's not. no big announcements keen— it's not. no big announcements been made— it's not. no big announcements been made quite— it's not. no big announcements been made quite yet, but it kooks— been made quite yet, but it iooks iike— been made quite yet, but it looks like it's— been made quite yet, but it looks like it's going to, which is grea— looks like it's going to, which is gear for— looks like it's going to, which is great for news— looks like it's going to, which is great for news early diagnosis— is great for news early diagnosis because that's the vean.— diagnosis because that's the aim. yeah, because that's the pan— aim. yeah, because that's the poinr or— aim. yeah, because that's the poinr or an — aim. yeah, because that's the point of this. i— aim. yeah, because that's the point of this. “ aim. yeah, because that's the point of this. i mean, survival rates are just 15% because of

late detection for lung cancer in this country. late detection for lung cancer in this country . and i think in this country. and i think last year, 50,000 people were diagnosed. and sadly 35,000 of those lost their lives. i mean, my dad lost his own life to lung cancer a few years ago. now so it subject very close to my it is a subject very close to my heart. pilot schemes heart. now, the pilot schemes that discussed are that we've already discussed are lucy are picking up 3 in 4 early cancen lucy are picking up 3 in 4 early cancer, aren't they? so despite people criticising this scheme already, saying why should we pay already, saying why should we pay for someone else's lifestyle choice in the long run, surely it is going to save the nhs money completely. exactly right . it money completely. exactly right . ir cossr— money completely. exactly right . ir cossr i— money completely. exactly right . it costs, i think.— money completely. exactly right . it costs, i think. i'm— money completely. exactly right . it costs, i think. i'm not- . it costs, i think. i'm not or— . it costs, i think. i'm not or me— . it costs, i think. i'm not sure of the figures. something in ne— sure of the figures. something in rne order— sure of the figures. something in the order of— sure of the figures. something in the order of £100,000 to do a rrearnenr— in the order of £100,000 to do a rrearnenr on— in the order of £100,000 to do a treatment on someone with stage rnree— treatment on someone with stage he or— treatment on someone with stage he or srage— treatment on someone with stage three or stage four— treatment on someone with stage three or stage four lung cancer ana— three or stage four lung cancer and ne— three or stage four lung cancer and rne cosr— three or stage four lung cancer and the cost of— three or stage four lung cancer and the cost of early diagnose insis— and the cost of early diagnose insis ani— and the cost of early diagnose ipsis and treatment is a lot, lot ipsis and treatment is a lot, or cneaper— ipsis and treatment is a lot, lot cheaper and— ipsis and treatment is a lot, lot cheaper and then of course, you— lot cheaper and then of course, voa knovv. — lot cheaper and then of course, voa know. if— lot cheaper and then of course, you know, if you're— lot cheaper and then of course, you know, if you're losing peopie— you know, if you're losing peopie. voa-re— you know, if you're losing people, you're losing people who can people, you're losing people who provide— people, you're losing people who provicie .— people, you're losing people who proviae . voa— people, you're losing people who can provide , you know, the can provide, you know, the ecoov— can provide, you know, the ecoov work— can provide, you know, the economy work in the economy. so

rnere-s— economy work in the economy. so rnere-s a— economy work in the economy. so rnere-s a ior— economy work in the economy. so there's a lot of— economy work in the economy. so there's a lot of costs— economy work in the economy. so there's a lot of costs involved. so there's a lot of costs involved. so an— there's a lot of costs involved. so an nas— there's a lot of costs involved. so this has been— there's a lot of costs involved. so this has been assessed just by so this has been assessed just iv rne— so this has been assessed just by the national— so this has been assessed just by the national screening connirree— by the national screening committee that worked very hard to assess whether— committee that worked very hard to assess whether it is cost enecrive— to assess whether it is cost effective and _ to assess whether it is cost effective and it— to assess whether it is cost effective and it wouldn't be roiiei— effective and it wouldn't be roiiei oar— effective and it wouldn't be rolled out unless it was saving the rolled out unless it was saving rne ro— rolled out unless it was saving rne ro rne— rolled out unless it was saving the to the nhs— rolled out unless it was saving the to the nhs or— rolled out unless it was saving the to the nhs or saving the governnenr— the to the nhs or saving the government money if it was cost enecrive— government money if it was cost effective because _ government money if it was cost effective because there's lots of effective because there's lots or sceening— effective because there's lots of screening things you could do all of screening things you could do aii sons— of screening things you could do aii sons of— of screening things you could do all sorts of things,— of screening things you could do all sorts of things, but they're nor— all sorts of things, but they're nor cosr— all sorts of things, but they're not cost effective. _ all sorts of things, but they're not cost effective. the problem iies— not cost effective. the problem iies in— not cost effective. the problem iies in ne— not cost effective. the problem lies in the sort— not cost effective. the problem lies in the sort of— not cost effective. the problem lies in the sort of what they cai— lies in the sort of what they call downstream _ lies in the sort of what they call downstream capacity city. so call downstream capacity city. so voa— call downstream capacity city. so voa nav— call downstream capacity city. so you may have— call downstream capacity city. so you may have a lot more peopie— so you may have a lot more people flooding— so you may have a lot more people flooding the system and picking— people flooding the system and picking ap— people flooding the system and picking up earlier— people flooding the system and picking up earlier cases . and picking up earlier cases. and voa-re— picking up earlier cases. and voa-re rignr— picking up earlier cases. and you're right that— picking up earlier cases. and you're right that if you pick up . kang— you're right that if you pick up cancer , lung cancer at stage cancer, lung cancer at stage voa— cancer, lung cancer at stage voa nave— cancer, lung cancer at stage voa nave a— cancer, lung cancer at stage one, you have a sort of 80 to gog— one, you have a sort of 80 to goo. cannce— one, you have a sort of 80 to 90% chance of— one, you have a sort of 80 to 90% chance of survival if you pick— 90% chance of survival if you pick ir— 90% chance of survival if you pick ir ap— 90% chance of survival if you pick ir ap ar— 90% chance of survival if you pick it up at stage three, your cannces— pick it up at stage three, your cannces or— pick it up at stage three, your chances of survival drop down granaricaiiv— chances of survival drop down dramatically to _ chances of survival drop down dramatically to about 10. so rnar-s— dramatically to about 10. so was gear.— dramatically to about 10. so that's great. we— dramatically to about 10. so that's great. we probably will. voa— that's great. we probably will. voa know.— that's great. we probably will. you know, it's— that's great. we probably will. you know, it's likely to save many— you know, it's likely to save many thousands— you know, it's likely to save many thousands of lives . you know, it's likely to save many thousands of lives. some peopie— many thousands of lives. some peopie rnink— many thousands of lives. some people think about 5000 lives a

vea— people think about 5000 lives a year nignr— people think about 5000 lives a year nignr pe— people think about 5000 lives a year might be saved, maybe more. but year might be saved, maybe more. ear ve— year might be saved, maybe more. ear ve io— year might be saved, maybe more. ear we do vve— year might be saved, maybe more. but we do we have— year might be saved, maybe more. but we do we have you know, we aireaav— but we do we have you know, we aireaiv nave— but we do we have you know, we already have problems in the ans.— already have problems in the ans. oo— already have problems in the ans. do we— already have problems in the nhs. do we have— already have problems in the nhs. do we have enough people to reari— nhs. do we have enough people to read me— nhs. do we have enough people to read rne scans— nhs. do we have enough people to read the scans to— nhs. do we have enough people to read the scans to see— nhs. do we have enough people to read the scans to see whether rnese— read the scans to see whether these abnormalities , you know, these abnormalities, you know, need— these abnormalities, you know, neeci ro— these abnormalities, you know, neeci ro pe— these abnormalities, you know, need to be picked— these abnormalities, you know, need to be picked up and investigated— need to be picked up and investigated ?_ need to be picked up and investigated ? and do we have investigated? and do we have enoagn— investigated? and do we have enough cancer— investigated? and do we have enough cancer specialists to rnen— enough cancer specialists to rnen rrear— enough cancer specialists to then treat people and enough sargicai— then treat people and enough surgical time,— then treat people and enough surgical time, operating time anci— surgical time, operating time and sageos— surgical time, operating time and surgeons to— surgical time, operating time and surgeons to deal with the parienrs— and surgeons to deal with the parienrs rnar— and surgeons to deal with the patients that it— and surgeons to deal with the patients that it may pick up? anci— patients that it may pick up? one i— patients that it may pick up? one i rnink— patients that it may pick up? and i think this— patients that it may pick up? and i think this is what is working— and i think this is what is worrying ministers at the rnornenr — worrying ministers at the moment. we— worrying ministers at the moment. we have a 7.4 million peopie— moment. we have a 7.4 million peopie on— moment. we have a 7.4 million peopie on me— moment. we have a 7.4 million people on the waiting list for rrearnenr— people on the waiting list for treatment and— people on the waiting list for treatment and consultations, and rnar-s— treatment and consultations, and was acraaiiv— treatment and consultations, and that's actually been growing recenriv— that's actually been growing recently despite _ that's actually been growing recently despite the ending of iockiovvn— recently despite the ending of lockdown restrictions. so it is a nage— lockdown restrictions. so it is a nage propien— lockdown restrictions. so it is a huge problem and we also have the a huge problem and we also have rne one— a huge problem and we also have rne or— a huge problem and we also have rne or me— a huge problem and we also have the one of the worst— a huge problem and we also have the one of the worst cancer sarvivai— the one of the worst cancer survival rates— the one of the worst cancer survival rates in— the one of the worst cancer survival rates in among rich naions— survival rates in among rich narions. so— survival rates in among rich nations. so we— survival rates in among rich nations. so we aren't doing very vein— nations. so we aren't doing very veii. kni— nations. so we aren't doing very veii. one one— nations. so we aren't doing very well. and one of— nations. so we aren't doing very well. and one of the reasons for rnar— well. and one of the reasons for ma is— well. and one of the reasons for ma is ro— well. and one of the reasons for ma is o oo— well. and one of the reasons for that is to do with— well. and one of the reasons for that is to do with poor diagnosis— that is to do with poor diagnosis .— that is to do with poor diagnosis . yes. so it's a it's diagnosis. yes. so it's a it's a iirricair— diagnosis. yes. so it's a it's a difficult one.— diagnosis. yes. so it's a it's a difficult one. yeah, absolutely

. ine— difficult one. yeah, absolutely . ine sievi— difficult one. yeah, absolutely . the devil will— difficult one. yeah, absolutely . the devil will always be in the detail. as you say, we have long waiting lists. that's a lucy johnston who is health and social affairs editor on the sunday express. thank you very much this much for joining us this afternoon. right. a new afternoon. lucy right. a new poll from yougov shows that the conservative vote has all but collapsed. there's surprise. it shows tory support has shows the tory support has flopped to only 22, opening up a 25 point lead for keir starmer and labour. considering the general election is right around the corner, i think 18 months is it? this is very bleak news for rishi sunak . it? this is very bleak news for rishi sunak. now joining me to discuss this and all the politics of this week is gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. nigel, thank you very much for coming in. lovely to see you. it's not looking good for the tories, is it? no, it's not. no even worse, because an— it's not. no even worse, because an poki— it's not. no even worse, because an poii vas— it's not. no even worse, because this poll was taken— c krtr even worse, because this poll was taken before nongages— this poll was taken before mortgages started hitting the roof. — mortgages started hitting the roof. so— mortgages started hitting the roof. so so— mortgages started hitting the roof. so so if— mortgages started hitting the roof. so so if you took this, rook— roof. so so if you took this, rook rne— roof. so so if you took this, took the poll— roof. so so if you took this, took the poll again. now you nignr— took the poll again. now you nignr fina— took the poll again. now you might find that— took the poll again. now you might find that the labour lead is even greater— might find that the labour lead is even greater than it than it acraaiiv— is even greater than it than it actually shows— is even greater than it than it actually shows . _ is even greater than it than it actually shows . c o“ actually shows. okay. it's oh

dear. actually shows. okay. it's oh dear . but so. actually shows. okay. it's oh dear. but so. so what can actually shows. okay. it's oh dear . but so. so what can they dear. but so. so what can they do about it. i mean how long are we away from the election? 18 months. is it. well, it could be. imean months. is it. well, it could be. i mean the final date is ranaarv— be. i mean the final date is ranaarv zo— be. i mean the final date is ranaarv as as. — be. i mean the final date is ranaarv as as. i— i mean the final date is january 20, 25. i think the kisni— january 20, 25. i think the rishi sunak— january 20, 25. i think the rishi sunak will try and go long ieaase— rishi sunak will try and go long ieaase rne— rishi sunak will try and go long because the bad— rishi sunak will try and go long because the bad news keeps piiing— because the bad news keeps piiing ap— because the bad news keeps piling up- yeah-— because the bad news keeps piling up. yeah. personally i rnink— piling up. yeah. personally i rnink rnar— piling up. yeah. personally i think that from _ piling up. yeah. personally i think that from the tories. tory ranv-s— think that from the tories. tory ranv-s poinr— think that from the tories. tory ranv-s poinr or— think that from the tories. tory party's point of view, they they snoaii — party's point of view, they they snoaii nave— party's point of view, they they should have an— party's point of view, they they should have an election now. kisni— should have an election now. kisni sanak— should have an election now. rishi sunak should sacrifice ninseir— rishi sunak should sacrifice himself because he would lose it and ne— himself because he would lose it and ne voaia— himself because he would lose it and he would no— himself because he would lose it and he would no longer be prime iiinisrer— and he would no longer be prime iiinisrer .— and he would no longer be prime iiinisrer . nar— and he would no longer be prime minister . but at— and he would no longer be prime minister. but at least they coaii— minister. but at least they coaii ger— minister. but at least they could get-their- minister. but at least they could get their infighting minister. but at least they couldecide their infighting minister. but at least they couldecide thetheyighting minister. but at least they couldecide thethey wantrg minister. but at least they couldecide thethey want to be. and decide what they want to be. vow— and decide what they want to be. vovlopposirion— and decide what they want to be. now opposition rather than now in opposition rather than rarner— now in opposition rather than rarner rnan— now in opposition rather than rather than in— now in opposition rather than rather than in 18— now in opposition rather than rather than in 18 months time vnen— rather than in 18 months time vvnen keir— rather than in 18 months time when keir starmer will have a nacn— when keir starmer will have a nacn nigger— when keir starmer will have a much bigger hold on government. but much bigger hold on government. nae nar— much bigger hold on government. nae par cne— much bigger hold on government. but but the thing— much bigger hold on government. but but the thing is,— much bigger hold on government. but but the thing is, i— much bigger hold on government. but but the thing is, i mean,- but but the thing is, i mean, support did increase recently, didn't it, for tories after didn't it, for the tories after the boats announcement and the small boats announcement and the small boats announcement and the brexit deal over northern ireland. i mean support for the tories did go up then and labour did dip. so it's not completely a lost cause. well the trouble is that rishi sunak made promises that are looking really

dodgy now. so the small five of those five promises he made five promises and two of those would be, say, small boats, which put the lead up because it sounded really good . but he's got to really good. but he's got to acraaiiv— really good. but he's got to acraaiiv scop— really good. but he's got to actually stop the— ”rt;ticcg 3: but he's got to actually stop the boats. i mean, srop— actually stop the boats. i mean, srop aki— actually stop the boats. i mean, srop aii or— actually stop the boats. i mean, stop all of them.— actually stop the boats. i mean, stop all of them. was the and ma— stop all of them. was the and ma nav— stop all of them. was the and ma nav pe— stop all of them. was the and that may be going a little far. ves. — that may be going a little far. ves. ive— that may be going a little far. ves. ive said.— that may be going a little far. yes. .we said, devil's- that may be going a little far. yes-we said, devil's in- that may be going a little far. /rts rt rtrt; c t“ yes. as we said, devil's in the detail. isn't yeah. detail. there isn't it? yeah. if was if he was saying i'll if he was if he was saying i'll srop— if he was if he was saying i'll srop some— if he was if he was saying i'll srop or— if he was if he was saying i'll stop some of them, that might nave— stop some of them, that might nave-a— stop some of them, that might nave-a pir— stop some of them, that might have-a bit more- stop some of them, that might have a bit more accurate. have been a bit more accurate. ine— have been a bit more accurate. the inflation— have been a bit more accurate. the inflation looked the inflation thing, it looked iike—snoe- the inflation thing, it looked like—shoe in- the inflation thing, it looked like—shoe in his. like that was a shoe in his promise.— like that was a shoe in his promise-there. like that was a shoe in his promise.-there that promise. promise there was that he promise. promise there was that re vvoaii— promise. promise there was that he would halve— promise. promise there was that he would halve inflation by the eni— he would halve inflation by the end-year— he would halve inflation by the end-year is— he would halve inflation by the end-year is maybe- he would halve inflation by the end year is maybe he end of the year is maybe he viii. — end of the year is maybe he viii. kni— end of the year is maybe he will. and the— end of the year is maybe he will. and the bank of england cenainiv— will. and the bank of england certainly thought that it would come down. but— certainly thought that it would come down. but it's not coming down— come down. but it's not coming down paire— come down. but it's not coming down gaire as— come down. but it's not coming down quite as quickly as evervpoav— down quite as quickly as everybody hoped. it hoped it vvoaii— everybody hoped. it hoped it voaici ire.— everybody hoped. it hoped it voaici be so— everybody hoped. it hoped it would be. so it's— everybody hoped. it hoped it would be. so it's 8.7% now. it nasn-r— would be. so it's 8.7% now. it nasn-r novea— would be. so it's 8.7% now. it hasn't moved .— would be. so it's 8.7% now. it hasn't moved . that shows that hasn't moved. that shows that rnar— hasn't moved. that shows that rnar promise— hasn't moved. that shows that that promise is— hasn't moved. that shows that that promise is looking a little iess— that promise is looking a little iess iikeiv— that promise is looking a little less likely now,— that promise is looking a little less likely now, john. rt rt less likely now, john. major did infamously overcome similar situation back in 1992, wasn't it, in the run up to that election, labour were way ahead in the polls. everyone was

saying labour were going to romp home and john major actually won. i think the won. yes, and i think the difference— won. yes, and i think the difference-and- yes, and i think the difference and this is where difference is, and this is where kisni— difference is, and this is where kisni sanak— difference is, and this is where rishi sunak made a mistake, john major—heseltine,- major and michael heseltine, once-ria— major and michael heseltine, once-vii or- major and michael heseltine, once rid of margaret once they got rid of margaret inarcner.— once they got rid of margaret thatcher, . looked - once they got rid of margaret thatcher, looked like they thatcher, it looked like they were a new government . they were a new government. they reinvenrei— were a new government. they reinvented _they. were a new government. they. reinvented _they got reinvented everything. they got rid reinvented everything. they got riilrne— reinvented everything. they got riilrne poki— reinvented everything. they got rid-the poll tax— reinvented everything. they got rid the poll tax and so on rid of the poll tax and so on rne— rid of the poll tax and so on rne oasis— rid of the poll tax and so on the basis of— rid of the poll tax and so on the basis of that— rid of the poll tax and so on the basis of that it looked iike.— the basis of that it looked iike. on.— the basis of that it looked like, oh, we've,- the basis of that it looked like, oh, we've, we've had an eiecrion— like, oh, we've, we've had an election without— like, oh, we've, we've had an election without having an eiecrion— election without having an election rishi— election without having an election rishi sunak came and on the election rishi sunak came and on rne-or— election rishi sunak came and on rne-or aki— election rishi sunak came and on rne-or aii rne— election rishi sunak came and on the-of all the chaos- election rishi sunak came and on the of all the chaos from the back of all the chaos from nons— the back of all the chaos from boris johnson— the back of all the chaos from boris johnson and— the back of all the chaos from boris johnson and then liz truss ani— boris johnson and then liz truss anci akin-r— boris johnson and then liz truss and didn't reinvent— boris johnson and then liz truss and didn't reinvent his government. - and didn't reinvent his government. so there's this kind of government. so there's this kind or reeiing— government. so there's this kind of feeling that— government. so there's this kind of feeling that the— government. so there's this kind of feeling that the tories naven-r— of feeling that the tories haven't changed. whereas back in i992— haven't changed. whereas back in i992 ir— haven't changed. whereas back in 1992 it looked— haven't changed. whereas back in 1992 it looked like— haven't changed. whereas back in 1992 it looked like they have. so 1992 it looked like they have. so io— 1992 it looked like they have. so do voa— 1992 it looked like they have. so do you think— 1992 it looked like they have. so do you think they could in ne— so do you think they could in rnelnonrns— so do you think they could in the months they've got they the 18 months they've got they coaut— the 18 months they've got they coast—io- the 18 months they've got they could, _ do ljohn i could, they could do a john major— could, they could do a john iiaror kisni — could, they could do a john major rishi could, as you say, srep—eisei major rishi could, as you say,- srep—eise in. step down, get someone else in. vveii— step down, get someone else in. vveii ir— step down, get someone else in. vveii if rnev— step down, get someone else in. well if they did,— step down, get someone else in. well if they did, i— step down, get someone else in. well if they did, i mean make a ciean— well if they did, i mean make a ciean sweep— well if they did, i mean make a clean sweep.idon't_ well if they did, i mean make a clean sweep. don't i don't clean sweep. i don't i don't rnink— clean sweep. i don't i don't rnink-nappen.- clean sweep. i don't i don't think-happen. i- clean sweep. i don't i don't think happen. i don't think it'll happen. i don't rnink— think it'll happen. i don't rnink ne— think it'll happen. i don't think he will— think it'll happen. i don't think he will step down. the poinr—aioarl think he will step down. the| point—about an point i was making about an eiecrion— point i was making about an election-would- point i was making about an election would mean that the election now would mean that the voa-a— election now would mean that the voa-i carcn— election now would mean that the voa-a carcn keir— election now would mean that the you'd catch keir starmer on the nop— you'd catch keir starmer on the nop. ne— you'd catch keir starmer on the nop. ne nasn-r— you'd catch keir starmer on the hop. he hasn't quite got his poiicies— hop. he hasn't quite got his policies sorted— hop. he hasn't quite got his policies sorted out yet , but you policies sorted out yet, but you vvoaii— policies sorted out yet, but you voaici nope— policies sorted out yet, but you would hope that—

policies sorted out yet, but you would hope that the results from the would hope that the results from rne iocai— would hope that the results from the local elections,— would hope that the results from the local elections, which snowed— the local elections, which showed that _ the local elections, which showed that we would be in a nang— showed that we would be in a hung parliament— showed that we would be in a hung parliament if there was an eiecrion— hung parliament if there was an election immediately that would give— election immediately that would give keir— election immediately that would give keir starmer— election immediately that would give keir starmer a year, two vears— give keir starmer a year, two vears is— give keir starmer a year, two vears is a— give keir starmer a year, two years is at most.— give keir starmer a year, two years is at most. you know, before— years is at most. you know, before ne— years is at most. you know, before he was— years is at most. you know, before he was under threat, the iories— before he was under threat, the iories coaii— before he was under threat, the tories could then— before he was under threat, the tories could then come back. i rnink— tories could then come back. i rnink rne— tories could then come back. i think the longer— tories could then come back. i think the longer they leave it, the think the longer they leave it, rne iess— think the longer they leave it, the less likely— think the longer they leave it, the less likely it— think the longer they leave it, the less likely it is that they viii— the less likely it is that they viii pe— the less likely it is that they will be able— the less likely it is that they will be able to— the less likely it is that they will be able to come back like iaioar— will be able to come back like iaioar viii— will be able to come back like labour will get— will be able to come back like labour will get the first five vear— labour will get the first five vear rein.— labour will get the first five vear can go— labour will get the first five year term, do well then they're in-veas. — year term, do well then they're in _years. actually- year term, do well then they're in-years. actually - year term, do well then they're in years. actually in for ten years. actually just rasc— in for ten years. actually just rasr-gaickiv.— in for ten years. actually just just-quicklvr verv- in for ten years. actually just just quickly, very briefly just very quickly, very briefly on this one, keir starmer has given a very cleverly timed interview this week saying he does to increase income does not want to increase income tax top earners if he wins tax for top earners if he wins the election. so he's the next election. so he's actually more like the actually sounding more like the conservatives than the conservatives than the conservatives sounding. conservatives are sounding. yes, promise yes, i mean, he did promise promise— promise originally for leadership- promise originally for leadership .- promise originally for leadership . he would he leadership. he would do that. he voaii— leadership. he would do that. he would-increase- leadership. he would do that. he would-increase it.- leadership. he would do that. he would increase it. now would actually increase it. now nes— would actually increase it. now ne-s-ne— would actually increase it. now ne-s-ne-vve- would actually increase it. now he's-he-we shall| he's saying he won't. we shall see-kna— he's saying he won't. we shall see.-and angela- he's saying he won't. we shalli see.-and angela rayner he's saying he won't. we shall. see.-and angela rayner is see. yeah. and angela rayner is obviously conflicted. obviously completely conflicted. him . thank you very him as usual. thank you very much. nigel nelson. much. that's nigel nelson. i think we'll seeing you later think we'll be seeing you later on well. you indeed. on as well. you will indeed. perfect excellent. right. you're watching and listening gb watching and listening to gb news dawn news saturday with me. dawn neesom. coming up neesom. loads more coming up on the this afternoon,

the show this afternoon, so don't first, don't go anywhere. but first, let's take a look at what that weather's doing out there with jonathan. hello there. i'm jonathan. hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here- t“ i'm jonathan vautrey here with your iaresr— jonathan vautrey here with your iaresr cn — jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news— jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided— latest gb news weather forecast proviieilrne— latest gb news weather forecast provided .the met _ latest gb news weather forecast provided the met office. provided by the met office. despire— provided by the met office. pespire rne— provided by the met office. despite the cloud, it has been a reiariveiv— despite the cloud, it has been a relatively settled _ despite the cloud, it has been a relatively settled start to the weekend— relatively settled start to the weekend for— relatively settled start to the weekend for many of us. high pressure that's— weekend for many of us. high pressure that's keeping it fine is sioviv— pressure that's keeping it fine is slowly losing— pressure that's keeping it fine is slowly losing its grip on the uk is slowly losing its grip on the iik ani— is slowly losing its grip on the uk and increasingly this area of low uk and increasingly this area of iov pressare— uk and increasingly this area of low pressure in— uk and increasingly this area of low pressure in the north—west viii— low pressure in the north—west viii iecoe— low pressure in the north—west will become more— low pressure in the north—west will become more a feature of will become more of a feature of our will become more of a feature of vearner— will become more of a feature of vearner as— will become more of a feature of our weather as we _ will become more of a feature of our weather as we head into sanciav. — our weather as we head into sanciav. so— our weather as we head into sunday. so some— our weather as we head into sunday. so some outbreaks of rain— sunday. so some outbreaks of rain-pans— sunday. so some outbreaks of rain-pans or— sunday. so some outbreaks of rain .parts of the - sunday. so some outbreaks of rain parts of the western rain for parts of the western isies— rain for parts of the western isles throughout— rain for parts of the western isles throughout later on this evening. — isles throughout later on this evening. kna— isles throughout later on this evening. and gradually, as evening. and then gradually, as we evening. and then gradually, as ve—eariv- evening. and then gradually, as we_early hours. evening. and then gradually, as we_early hours of we head into the early hours of sanaav— we head into the early hours of sanaav-vve-ii- we head into the early hours of sunday-we'll-to sunday morning, we'll start to see-pasn— sunday morning, we'll start to see-pasnlvav- sunday morning, we'll start toj see-push.way into see that rain push its way into vonnern— see that rain push its way into northern ireland— see that rain push its way into northern ireland for many of us, rnoagn.— northern ireland for many of us, rnoagn. rnere— northern ireland for many of us, though, there will— northern ireland for many of us, though, there will be some late evening— though, there will be some late evening sunshine— though, there will be some late evening sunshine and clear inrervais— evening sunshine and clear intervals-the- evening sunshine and clear intervals the overnight intervals during the overnight perioi. — intervals during the overnight perioi. -going- intervals during the overnight perioi. -goinglie| period. but it is going to be a van-nann— period. but it is going to be a warm humid night for a lot warm and humid night for a lot of warm and humid night for a lot or-rovvns— warm and humid night for a lot or-rovns ani- warm and humid night for a lot of towns and cities of us, many towns and cities noiiing— of us, many towns and cities holding-around- of us, many towns and cities holding around 18 c. so quite holding up around 18 c. so quite uncomfortable— holding up around 18 c. so quite uncomfortable for— holding up around 18 c. so quite uncomfortable for sleeping for nanv— uncomfortable for sleeping for nanv or— uncomfortable for sleeping for nanv or as— uncomfortable for sleeping for nanv or a— uncomfortable for sleeping for many of us, a bright start to sunday— many of us, a bright start to sunday for— many of us, a bright start to sunday for england, wales and scanne— sunday for england, wales and scotland. increasingly this scotland. but increasingly this rain—pasningi rain is going to start pushing its rain is going to start pushing in wav— rain is going to start pushing in vav in— rain is going to start pushing its way in from _ rain is going to start pushing its way in from the west,

providing— its way in from the west, providing some heavy outbreaks for woman— providing some heavy outbreaks for northern-then- providing some heavy outbreaks for northern then later for northern ireland. then later inro— for northern ireland. then later inro-nonnern- for northern ireland. then later into northern wales into scotland, northern wales ani— into scotland, northern wales and nonnern— into scotland, northern wales and northern england, there a and northern england, there is a cannce— and northern england, there is a chance thunderstorms chance of some thunderstorms aeveioping— chance of some thunderstorms developing eastern developing across eastern ingiani— developing across eastern england-into- developing across eastern england into scotland as england up into scotland as vein— england up into scotland as well. torrential— england up into scotland as well. torrential downpours , some well. torrential downpours, some iocaiisei— well. torrential downpours, some localised _ possible - well. torrential downpours, some localised—possible .. localised flooding is possible. vveii— localised flooding is possible. vveii aneai— localised flooding is possible. well ahead of— localised flooding is possible. well ahead of that, though, we noisi— well ahead of that, though, we not on— well ahead of that, though, we not on ro— well ahead of that, though, we hold on to the— well ahead of that, though, we hold on to the mild air in the soarn— hold on to the mild air in the soarn ana— hold on to the mild air in the south and really— hold on to the mild air in the south and really quite hot with nigns— south and really quite hot with nignslso.— south and really quite hot with nignslso. or c.— south and really quite hot with highs 30, 31 c. further highs of 30, 31 c. further rovaris— highs of 30, 31 c. further towards the— highs of 30, 31 c. further towards the west. we're starting towards the west. we're starting ro seei— towards the west. we're starting ro feed in— towards the west. we're starting to feed in some— towards the west. we're starting to feed in some slightly fresher air as— to feed in some slightly fresher air as our winds— to feed in some slightly fresher air as our winds shift direction to air as our winds shift direction ro nove— air as our winds shift direction ro or— air as our winds shift direction ro or a— air as our winds shift direction to more of a westerly . and that to more of a westerly. and that viii— to more of a westerly. and that viii-across— to more of a westerly. and that will - across the - of - to more of a westerly. and that will across the of the will push across the rest of the uk will push across the rest of the iiklvve— will push across the rest of the iiklvve neari— will push across the rest of the uk we head throughout sunday uk as we head throughout sunday nignr. — uk as we head throughout sunday nignr. lsaniav— uk as we head throughout sunday night. sunday night not night. so sunday night not iooking— night. so sunday night not iooking as— night. so sunday night not looking as humid and muggy for nosr— looking as humid and muggy for nosrlas— looking as humid and muggy for nosrlas ani— looking as humid and muggy for most-us and-be- most of us and it will be a nuke— most of us and it will be a kite pir— most of us and it will be a little bit more— most of us and it will be a little bit more comfortable when voa-re—iea. - little bit more comfortable when you're—bed. will- little bit more comfortable when you're—bed. will be. you're heading to bed. will be a sign— you're heading to bed. will be a sign sran— you're heading to bed. will be a sign sran ro— you're heading to bed. will be a bright start to monday. once rnar— bright start to monday. once that-cleared- bright start to monday. once that-cleared off- bright start to monday. once that cleared off the that rain has cleared off the verv— that rain has cleared off the very-north—west,- that rain has cleared off the very north—west, scattering very far north—west, scattering of very far north—west, scattering or-ieveioping- very far north—west, scattering of developing across the of showers developing across the nonnern— of showers developing across the nonnern-or— of showers developing across the northern .of-uk. - of showers developing across the northern-of-uk. but- northern half of the uk. but some sunny intervals in between vniisr— some sunny intervals in between vniisr ir— some sunny intervals in between whilst it.turning_ some sunny intervals in between whilst it turning fresher for whilst it is turning fresher for all whilst it is turning fresher for aii or— whilst it is turning fresher for aii or as— whilst it is turning fresher for aii or ve— whilst it is turning fresher for all of us, we also— whilst it is turning fresher for all of us, we also open up the doors— all of us, we also open up the doors ro— all of us, we also open up the doors to further— all of us, we also open up the doors to further areas of low pessare las— doors to further areas of low pressure. .as we- doors to further areas of low pressure. as we head towards pressure. so as we head towards iaesaav— pressure. so as we head towards tuesday wednesday , there'll tuesday and wednesday, there'll be tuesday and wednesday, there'll peso-ne— tuesday and wednesday, there'll be-some longer- tuesday and wednesday, there'll be some longer spells be showers, some longer spells of be showers, some longer spells or—rnose- of rain as well. but those temperatures,— of rain as well. but those temperatures, at least day temperatures, at least by day viii—

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good— dawn, thank you very much and good afternoon.— dawn, thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the iaresr— good afternoon. this is the latest from _ good afternoon. this is the latest from the _ good afternoon. this is the latest from the gb news newsroom. russian helicopters nave— newsroom. russian helicopters nave opened— newsroom. russian helicopters have opened fire— newsroom. russian helicopters have opened fire on a convoy of epei— have opened fire on a convoy of reiei vvagner— have opened fire on a convoy of rebel wagner mercenary forces nearrne— rebel wagner mercenary forces near the town— rebel wagner mercenary forces near the town of— rebel wagner mercenary forces near the town of veronas as they near— near the town of veronas as they read ro— near the town of veronas as they head to moscow. _ near the town of veronas as they head to moscow. the leader of ne— head to moscow. the leader of rne vvagner— head to moscow. the leader of the wagner mercenary group, vevgenv— the wagner mercenary group, yevgeny prigozhin, claims to nave— yevgeny prigozhin, claims to nave raken— yevgeny prigozhin, claims to have taken control of russia's soarnern— have taken control of russia's southern military— have taken control of russia's southern military headquarters in kosrov— southern military headquarters in kosrov on— southern military headquarters in rostov on don.— southern military headquarters in rostov on don. he's accused kassia-s— in rostov on don. he's accused russia's military— in rostov on don. he's accused russia's military chiefs of arracking — russia's military chiefs of attacking his— russia's military chiefs of attacking his forces and lying to attacking his forces and lying ro rasrirv— attacking his forces and lying ro rasrirv rne — attacking his forces and lying to justify the war in ukraine. ine— to justify the war in ukraine. ine ak— to justify the war in ukraine. the uk government is reportedly noiiing— the uk government is reportedly noiaing an— the uk government is reportedly holding an emergency cobra neering— holding an emergency cobra meeting later— holding an emergency cobra meeting later to— holding an emergency cobra meeting later to discuss the cnanging— meeting later to discuss the changing situation in russia. nine— changing situation in russia. prime minister— changing situation in russia. prime minister rishi sunak has roii— prime minister rishi sunak has roia reponers— prime minister rishi sunak has told reporters he'll be speaking told reporters he'll be speaking ro aiiies— told reporters he'll be speaking to allies, including ukraine's presiienr— to allies, including ukraine's president zelenskyy later about the president zelenskyy later about rne anea— president zelenskyy later about the armed rebellion by the vvagner— the armed rebellion by the vvagner croap— the armed rebellion by the wagner group earlier, russia's iresiaenr— wagner group earlier, russia's president putin— wagner group earlier, russia's president putin attacked the ieaaer— president putin attacked the ieaier or— president putin attacked the leader of the _ president putin attacked the leader of the mercenary group , leader of the mercenary group, accasing— leader of the mercenary group, accasing nin— leader of the mercenary group, accusing him of— leader of the mercenary group, accusing him of treason and annea— accusing him of treason and armed narinv— accusing him of treason and armed mutiny . _ accusing him of treason and armed mutiny . ray armed mutiny. smooth any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood, to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our people , our

russia, to our people, our actions to protect the homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those who deliberately - “ts“ all those who deliberately took the path all those who deliberately took the path of ietavai— deliberately took the path of betrayal, who _ deliberately took the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed nainv— betrayal, who prepared an armed narinv. vno— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who took— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who took the path of iiacknaii— mutiny, who took the path of blackmail terrorist methods, blackmail and terrorist methods, will-inevitable- will suffer an inevitable punishment,— will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both to the punishment, will answer both to rne iavv— punishment, will answer both to rne iav ani— punishment, will answer both to rne iav anci ro— punishment, will answer both to the law and to our— punishment, will answer both to the law and to our people of . the law and to our people of. ine— the law and to our people of. ine defence— the law and to our people of. the defence editor for the evening— the defence editor for the evening standard, robert fox, savs— evening standard, robert fox, savs rne— evening standard, robert fox, says the escalating intention is a nage— says the escalating intention is a nage propien— says the escalating intention is a huge problem in his speech has nenrionei— a huge problem in his speech has mentioned the— a huge problem in his speech has mentioned the word mutiny, which is verv— mentioned the word mutiny, which is verv seioas— mentioned the word mutiny, which is very serious indeed and he nas— is very serious indeed and he nas aivvavs— is very serious indeed and he has always said— is very serious indeed and he has always said the ukraine war or me— has always said the ukraine war or rne specia— has always said the ukraine war or the special military operarion— or the special military operation has been a problem ieaase— operation has been a problem because russia— operation has been a problem because russia is— operation has been a problem because russia is being attacked by because russia is being attacked iv axio— because russia is being attacked pv akio ani— because russia is being attacked pv none and is— because russia is being attacked by nato and its allies, inciaiing— by nato and its allies, including the uk and the us . including the uk and the us. vev— including the uk and the us. new nes— including the uk and the us. vovv ne-s saving— including the uk and the us. now he's saying russian- including the uk and the us. now he's saying russian forces are being attacked by russian forces and this is a huge problem because this could be the inklings , the beginnings, the inklings, the beginnings, the inklings, the beginnings, the small details of certainly tensions and possibly local

civil wars tensions and possibly local civilwars. the tensions and possibly local civil wars . the main support civil wars. the main support snip— civil wars. the main support snip for— civil wars. the main support snip ror rne— civil wars. the main support ship for the titan— t. . c the main support ship for the titan submersible rerarnei— ship for the titan submersible rerarnei ro— ship for the titan submersible returned to its— ship for the titan submersible returned to its home base in canaia— returned to its home base in canada after— returned to its home base in canada after attempting to rne — canada after attempting to recover the vessel which inpioiea— recover the vessel which imploded in— recover the vessel which imploded in the north atlantic , imploded in the north atlantic, kiiiing— imploded in the north atlantic, kiiiing rive— imploded in the north atlantic, killing five people. one of two canaaian— killing five people. one of two canadian coastguard ships has aiso— canadian coastguard ships has also returned— canadian coastguard ships has also returned to— canadian coastguard ships has also returned to saint john's narioar— also returned to saint john's harbour after— also returned to saint john's harbour after the conclusion of the harbour after the conclusion of rne seacn— harbour after the conclusion of the search and— harbour after the conclusion of the search and rescue operarions.— the search and rescue operations. a- the search and rescue operations. a safety investigation into the implosion of investigation into the implosion or me— investigation into the implosion of the submersible has been iaancnei— of the submersible has been launched and— of the submersible has been launched and it'll focus on the sarerv— launched and it'll focus on the sarerv or— launched and it'll focus on the sarerv or rne — launched and it'll focus on the safety of the operation rather rnan— safety of the operation rather than determining civil or crininai— than determining civil or criminal liability . the first criminal liability. the first iiinisrer— criminal liability. the first minister of— criminal liability. the first minister of scotland says the nexr— minister of scotland says the next westminster election should be next westminster election should ire asea— next westminster election should ire asei as— next westminster election should ire asei as a— next westminster election should be used as a manifesto for an inaepenienr— be used as a manifesto for an independent scotland. speaking at independent scotland. speaking ar an— independent scotland. speaking ar an sne— independent scotland. speaking at an snp independence convention— at an snp independence convention in— at an snp independence convention in dundee , humza convention in dundee, humza voasar— convention in dundee, humza voasar said— convention in dundee, humza yousaf said that— convention in dundee, humza yousaf said that the route to scorrisn— yousaf said that the route to scottish independence is through the scottish independence is through rne iavrai— scottish independence is through the lawful and— scottish independence is through the lawful and democratic process. yusuf_ the lawful and democratic process. yusuf added that if the ski— process. yusuf added that if the svr ins— process. yusuf added that if the snp wins that— process. yusuf added that if the snp wins that election , then it snp wins that election, then it viii— snp wins that election, then it viii seek— snp wins that election, then it will seek negotiations with the goevernrnnr— will seek negotiations with the government, with— will seek negotiations with the government, with the uk government _ government, with the uk government to give democratic enecr— government to give democratic errecr ro— government to give democratic effect to scotland _ government to give democratic effect to scotland becoming .

effect to scotland becoming. inaepenienr— effect to scotland becoming. independent margaret mcdonough , independent margaret mcdonough, iairoar-s— independent margaret mcdonough, iairoar-srirsr— independent margaret mcdonough, labour's first female general secrerav.— labour's first female general secrerarv. nas— labour's first female general secretary, has died at the age of secretary, has died at the age or or.— secretary, has died at the age or or. ine— secretary, has died at the age of 61. the politician sat in the noase— of 61. the politician sat in the noase or— of 61. the politician sat in the house of lords— of 61. the politician sat in the house of lords as— of 61. the politician sat in the house of lords as baroness iicironoagn— house of lords as baroness mcdonough and— house of lords as baroness mcdonough and has been described as an unstoppable— mcdonough and has been described as an unstoppable force of aaer— as an unstoppable force of aaer ana— as an unstoppable force of nature and a— as an unstoppable force of nature and a champion for women . a proresr— nature and a champion for women . k proresr viii— nature and a champion for women . a protest will be— nature and a champion for women . a protest will be held outside raiianenr— . a protest will be held outside parliament today— . a protest will be held outside parliament today to step up ienanas— parliament today to step up demands for— parliament today to step up demands for the release from prison— demands for the release from prison or— demands for the release from prison of wikileaks founder julian— prison of wikileaks founder julian assange— prison of wikileaks founder julian assange . the wikileaks julian assange. the wikileaks roanaer— julian assange. the wikileaks founder faces— julian assange. the wikileaks founder faces extradition to the unrea— founder faces extradition to the united states,— founder faces extradition to the united states, where he could be imprisoned— united states, where he could be imprisoned for— united states, where he could be imprisoned for the— united states, where he could be imprisoned for the rest of his ine— imprisoned for the rest of his iire .— imprisoned for the rest of his iire . nes— imprisoned for the rest of his life . he's been— imprisoned for the rest of his life . he's been held in london's life. he's been held in london's nign— life. he's been held in london's nign secarirv— life. he's been held in london's high security belmarsh prison high security belmarin prison for high security belmarsh prison for more— high security belmarsh prison for more than— high security belmarsh prison for more than four years as he signs— for more than four years as he fights extradition,— for more than four years as he fights extradition, mr assange races— fights extradition, mr assange races cnarges— fights extradition, mr assange faces charges over the publication— faces charges over the publication of classified documents— publication of classified documents relating to the afghanistan— documents relating to the afghanistan and iraq wars . afghanistan and iraq wars. a nraror— afghanistan and iraq wars. a arnrro varer— afghanistan and iraq wars. a major water company is blaming peopie— major water company is blaming more people working from home are— more people working from home are rne— more people working from home after the cowo— more people working from home after the covid pandemic for a nosepipe— after the covid pandemic for a new hosepipe ban— after the covid pandemic for a new hosepipe ban in south—east vvaerr— new hosepipe ban in south—east vvaerr vnicn— new hosepipe ban in south—east water, which supplies more than 2 niiiion— water, which supplies more than 2 million homes— water, which supplies more than 2 million homes and businesses , 2 million homes and businesses, viii—

2 million homes and businesses, viii impose— 2 million homes and businesses, will impose the— 2 million homes and businesses, will impose the first hosepipe pan— will impose the first hosepipe iran or— will impose the first hosepipe iran or me— will impose the first hosepipe ban of the summer from monday, anecring— ban of the summer from monday, affecting households across kent and affecting households across kent anci sassex— affecting households across kent and sussex. the— affecting households across kent and sussex. the company's chief execive— and sussex. the company's chief executive also _ and sussex. the company's chief executive also blamed low rainraii— executive also blamed low rainfall as— executive also blamed low rainfall as well— executive also blamed low rainfall as well as a recent speii— rainfall as well as a recent speii or— rainfall as well as a recent speii of nor— rainfall as well as a recent spell of hot weather leading to a spike— spell of hot weather leading to a spike in— spell of hot weather leading to a spike in demand for drinking vvaerr.— a spike in demand for drinking vvaerr. ine— a spike in demand for drinking water. the prime— a spike in demand for drinking water. the prime minister has pairi— water. the prime minister has paid rriirare— water. the prime minister has paid tribute to— water. the prime minister has paid tribute to the phenomenal precision— paid tribute to the phenomenal precision ana— paid tribute to the phenomenal precision and professionalism of nririsn— precision and professionalism of nririsn rroops— precision and professionalism of british troops as— precision and professionalism of british troops as events are neig— british troops as events are neii acoss— british troops as events are held across the _ british troops as events are held across the uk to mark armed roces— held across the uk to mark armed roces irav— held across the uk to mark armed roces irav .— held across the uk to mark armed roces irav . ine— held across the uk to mark armed forces day . the king also paid forces day. the king also paid rriirare— forces day. the king also paid rriirare in— forces day. the king also paid rriirare in a— forces day. the king also paid tribute in a signed letter rnanking— tribute in a signed letter thanking military personnel for the thanking military personnel for rne inrrnense— thanking military personnel for the immense and— thanking military personnel for the immense and dedicated contribution— the immense and dedicated contribution of— the immense and dedicated contribution of the british niiirarv— contribution of the british niiirarv .— contribution of the british military , both _ contribution of the british military , both home and overseas military, both home and overseas . ne— military, both home and overseas . ne aren— military, both home and overseas . he grew on— military, both home and overseas . he drew on his— military, both home and overseas . he drew on his own time in the niiirarv— . he drew on his own time in the niiirarv ani— . he drew on his own time in the military and said— . he drew on his own time in the military and said he— . he drew on his own time in the military and said he recognised the military and said he recognised rne creep— military and said he recognised rne aeep pricie— military and said he recognised the deep pride service personnel rake— the deep pride service personnel rake in— the deep pride service personnel rake in rneir— the deep pride service personnel take in their duty— the deep pride service personnel take in their duty parades and rivpasrs— take in their duty parades and rivpasrs viii— take in their duty parades and flypasts will take place around the flypasts will take place around rne coanrrv— flypasts will take place around rne coanrrv ro— flypasts will take place around the country to thank the niiirav— the country to thank the military community. people in iiancnesrer— military community. people in manchester have— military community. people in manchester have been gathering for me— manchester have been gathering for rne evenr— manchester have been gathering for the event at— manchester have been gathering for the event at one of these rnings— for the event at one of these rnings rnar— for the event at one of these things that should be recognised as rne— things that should be recognised as rne anv— things that should be recognised as the army should be recognised. - as the army should be recognised. . as the army should be- recognised. the veterans should be you know, be recognised. there's you know, you to america in the record. you go to america in the record. i of like brushed i hear the sort of like brushed under carpet and all

under the carpet and it's all wrong. show my support for wrong. it's show my support for the wrong. it's show my support for rne veerans— wrong. it's show my support for the veterans and— wrong. it's show my support for the veterans and the— 3 it's show my support for the veterans and the injured veterans and— the veterans and the injured veterans and the cadet force who noperaiiv— veterans and the cadet force who noperaiiv ani— veterans and the cadet force who hopefully and they're our future all hopefully and they're our future aii ireing— hopefully and they're our future aii ireing veri— hopefully and they're our future all being well she— hopefully and they're our future all being well she respects like in aa— all being well she respects like in ma voa— all being well she respects like in that you know— all being well she respects like in that you know like colleagues in that you know like colleagues in aa— in that you know like colleagues in ma vno— in that you know like colleagues in that who aren't— in that you know like colleagues in that who aren't here today vno— in that who aren't here today vvno voaia— in that who aren't here today who would like— in that who aren't here today who would like to be here. but for me— who would like to be here. but for rne gavs— who would like to be here. but for the guys who— who would like to be here. but for the guys who are serving now ani— for the guys who are serving now and-vou— for the guys who are serving now and-you know.- for the guys who are serving now and-you know. so- and the girls, you know. so vean— and the girls, you know. so yeahr vve— and the girls, you know. so yeah, we still— and the girls, you know. so yeah, we still need our armed forces— yeah, we still need our armed forces anci— yeah, we still need our armed forces and just— yeah, we still need our armed forces and just part of that, forces and just be part of that, you— forces and just be part of that, voavve-re proai- forces and just be part of that, you-we're proud of. you know, it's we're proud of an— you know, it's we're proud of an is— you know, it's we're proud of an is en— you know, it's we're proud of this is gb news. - you know, it's we're proud of this is gb news. �*vtvi�*rt cc “g this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to gb news saturday with dawn . with dawn. thank you with dawn.- . thank you very vicn nann— . thank you very much. tatiana thank you very much. tatiana right . thank you very much. tatiana kignr no— - thank you very much. tatiana kignr ier-s— . thank you very much. tatiana right now, let's-straight- right now, let's get straight inro— right now, let's get straight inro roiav-s— right now, let's get straight into today's topics. huge srories— into today's topics. huge stories breaking today, the main one stories breaking today, the main ireing— stories breaking today, the main one being russia.— stories breaking today, the main one being russia. and now kassia-s— one being russia. and now russia's president is pledging decisive— russia's president is pledging decisive actions— russia's president is pledging decisive actions as he accuses rne— decisive actions as he accuses rne ieaier— decisive actions as he accuses rne ieaier or— decisive actions as he accuses the leader of the— decisive actions as he accuses

the leader of the wagner mercenary group of treason and armed— mercenary group of treason and armed narinv— mercenary group of treason and armed narinv .— mercenary group of treason and armed mutiny . vladimir putin is armed mutiny. vladimir putin is caiiing— armed mutiny. vladimir putin is caiiing rne— armed mutiny. vladimir putin is calling the actions— armed mutiny. vladimir putin is calling the actions of the niiirarv— calling the actions of the niiirarv groap— calling the actions of the military group a stab in the pack— military group a stab in the irack aren— military group a stab in the back after his— military group a stab in the back after his chief, chief vevgenv— back after his chief, chief yevgeny can't— back after his chief, chief yevgeny can't say this word ciovanni— yevgeny can't say this word giovanni pernice kozin claims to nave— giovanni pernice kozin claims to nave raken— giovanni pernice kozin claims to have taken control— giovanni pernice kozin claims to have taken control of russia's soarnern— have taken control of russia's southern military— have taken control of russia's southern military headquarters in kosrov— southern military headquarters in rostov and— southern military headquarters in rostov and vows to go on to iiosco— in rostov and vows to go on to iiosco neve— in rostov and vows to go on to moscow. here is— in rostov and vows to go on to moscow. here is what president rarin— moscow. here is what president rarin nai— moscow. here is what president rarin naa ro— moscow. here is what president putin had to say— moscow. here is what president putin had to say this morning . putin had to say this morning. ine— putin had to say this morning. ine today— putin had to say this morning. the today russia— putin had to say this morning. the today russia is— putin had to say this morning. the today russia is fighting an extremely tough battle for its future and is repelling the aggression of the and their masters in fact, the entire military , economic and military, economic and information machine of the west is directed against us. we are fighting for the life and security of our people, for our sovereignty and independence , sovereignty and independence, for the right to be and remain russia . for the right to be and remain russia. i for the right to be and remain russia . i repeat, any internal russia. i repeat, any internal rarnoii— russia. i repeat, any internal rarnoii is— russia. i repeat, any internal rarnoii is a— russia. i repeat, any internal turmoil is a moral— t i repeat, any internal turmoil is a moral threat to our srarenooa.—

turmoil is a moral threat to our srarenooa. io— turmoil is a moral threat to our statehood. to us— turmoil is a moral threat to our statehood. to us as— turmoil is a moral threat to our statehood. to us as a nation, rnis— statehood. to us as a nation, an is— statehood. to us as a nation, an is a— statehood. to us as a nation, this is a blow— statehood. to us as a nation, this is a blow to— statehood. to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our peopie.— this is a blow to russia, to our peopie. ine— this is a blow to russia, to our people. the actions we will take to people. the actions we will take ro prorecr— people. the actions we will take ro prorecr oa— people. the actions we will take to protect our homeland from sacn— to protect our homeland from sacn a— to protect our homeland from such a threat— to protect our homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all rnose— such a threat will be harsh. all rnose vno— such a threat will be harsh. all those who consciously chose the pan— those who consciously chose the pan or— those who consciously chose the path of betrayal,— those who consciously chose the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed— path of betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who chose the pan— an armed mutiny, who chose the pan or— an armed mutiny, who chose the path of blackmail— an armed mutiny, who chose the path of blackmail and terrorism . viii— path of blackmail and terrorism . viii saner— path of blackmail and terrorism , will suffer an— path of blackmail and terrorism , will suffer an inevitable punishment,— , will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both before— punishment, will answer both before me— punishment, will answer both before the law— punishment, will answer both before the law and our people, the before the law and our people, rne annea— before the law and our people, the armed forces— before the law and our people, the armed forces and other governnenr— the armed forces and other government agencies have received— government agencies have received rne — government agencies have received the necessary orders ana— received the necessary orders and additional— received the necessary orders and additional anti—terrorist measures are now being inrroiacea— measures are now being introduced in— measures are now being introduced in moscow , the moscow introduced in moscow, the moscow region— introduced in moscow, the moscow region anci— introduced in moscow, the moscow region and a— introduced in moscow, the moscow region and a number of other regions— region and a number of other regions decide— region and a number of other regions decide live action will aso— regions decide live action will aiso ire— regions decide live action will also be taken— regions decide live action will also be taken to— regions decide live action will also be taken to stabilise the siraarion— also be taken to stabilise the siraarion in— also be taken to stabilise the situation in rostov—on—don. it remains difficult.— situation in rostov—on—don. it remains difficult. the work of the remains difficult. the work of rne civiiian— remains difficult. the work of the civilian itrillionemains antican— the civilian itrillionemains difficult. the— the civilian itrillionemains difficult. the work of the civiiian — difficult. the work of the civilian and— difficult. the work of the civilian and military administration bodies is effectively— administration bodies is effectively blocked . tgn administration bodies is effectively blocked . t3 �*vtvi�*rt effectively blocked. right. we can effectively blocked. right. we

go— effectively blocked. right. we can go live now to our reporter theo chikomba, who is outside the russian embassy for us this afternoon. good afternoon , theo. afternoon. good afternoon, theo. can you bring us up to date on the story and what's happening this afternoon ? yes. well , this this afternoon? yes. well, this story is this afternoon? yes. well, this srorv is gaickiv— 7 /rts well, this story is quickly developing . �*vtvi�*rt story is quickly developing. we anaersrana— story is quickly developing. we understand in— story is quickly developing. we understand in the— story is quickly developing. we understand in the last- story is quickly developing. we understand in the last hour or so from eyewitnesses that russian military helicopters have begun to open fire on rebel mercenaries who are making their way from the southern parts of russia who occupied a second part, a city, and are heading towards the west part of russia. in the last 24 hours. we understand yesterday that military vehicles were seen in moscow and internet access was restricted for many russians. but today, though , the leader of but today, though, the leader of this rebel group has said that the russian military have launched a missile towards them when they were in ukraine. they, of course, have been an ally. but now our advancing towards russia , we understand in the

russia, we understand in the last hour or so, the prime minister, rishi sunak, has spoken to the bbc saying they are monitoring the situation , are monitoring the situation, what's going on in russia and the prime minister did say he'll be speaking to some his be speaking to some of his allies this afternoon. so, again , the situation is fast moving. the russian defence ministry have had some difficulties when it comes to their relationship with the leader of this group over the recent weeks as well. so it's escalated to this point and they have also accused this group of armed mutiny, which they strongly deny . and today they strongly deny. and today we've also heard from the ministry of defence about some of the intelligence of what's been going on and saying over the coming hours the loyalty of russia's security forces and especially national especially russian national guard be key to how this guard will be key to how this crisis plays out . this crisis plays out. this represents the significant represents the most significant challenge to the russian state in recent times. so plenty to go on and we'll keep you up to date

with that as the hours go on this afternoon . but our reporter this afternoon. but our reporter oarsiae— this afternoon. but our reporter oarsiie rne— this afternoon. but our reporter outside the russian— “ but our reporter outside the russian embassy now toining— outside the russian embassy now roining ne— outside the russian embassy now roining me is— outside the russian embassy now joining me is former british anv— joining me is former british krnv officer— joining me is former british army officer colonel richard kenp. — army officer colonel richard kenp. coor— army officer colonel richard kemp. good afternoon , richard. kemp. good afternoon, richard. inank— kemp. good afternoon, richard. inank voa— kemp. good afternoon, richard. inank voa verv— kemp. good afternoon, richard. thank you very much for joining us. thank you very much for joining kicnari— thank you very much for joining us. richard i'm— thank you very much for joining us. richard i'm very keen to get voar— us. richard i'm very keen to get voar rake— us. richard i'm very keen to get voar rake non— us. richard i'm very keen to get your take from the— us. richard i'm very keen to get your take from the military angie— your take from the military angie on— your take from the military angie on on— your take from the military angle on on what has happened overnignr— angle on on what has happened overnignr ana— angle on on what has happened overnight and what is indeed nappening— overnight and what is indeed happening what do you happening today. what do you make— happening today. what do you make or— happening today. what do you make of these— happening today. what do you make of these developments ? make of these developments? neit— make of these developments? vveii.|rnink— make of these developments? well, think whatever happens well, i think whatever happens to well, i think whatever happens ro irigoznin— well, i think whatever happens to prigozhin, whether he is ierearea— to prigozhin, whether he is defeated in— to prigozhin, whether he is defeated in his— to prigozhin, whether he is defeated in his coup attempt or not— defeated in his coup attempt or nor. its— defeated in his coup attempt or nor. its a— defeated in his coup attempt or not, it's a serious— defeated in his coup attempt or not, it's a serious blow to iresiaenr— not, it's a serious blow to president putin- not, it's a serious blow to president putin because apart non— president putin because apart from anvrning— president putin because apart from anything else, it sows the seeds— from anything else, it sows the seeds or— from anything else, it sows the seeds of instability in russia , seeds of instability in russia, panicaiariv— seeds of instability in russia, panicaiariv in— seeds of instability in russia, particularly in the face of a rnar-s— particularly in the face of a war that's becoming increasingly anpopaiar— war that's becoming increasingly anpopaia. — war that's becoming increasingly unpopular. villa— war that's becoming increasingly unpopular. « ' ' t war that's becoming increasingly unpopular. . . t war that's becoming increasingly unpopular. « ' “ c unpopular. villa and in military terms , as the wagner group terms, as the wagner group represents probably the most effective part of the russian armed forces . and now prigozhin armed forces. and now prigozhin has pulled them out of ukraine from the frontline in ukraine to

advance on rostov, on voronezh , advance on rostov, on voronezh, and possibly even on moscow . so and possibly even on moscow. so and possibly even on moscow. so and that that in itself, of course, weakens russia's defences in ukraine. but on top of that, he been spreading division for many months between soldiers on the ground and the ukrainian high command and the elites in moscow. and i think his his latest statements which include saying that the whole war is based on a lie, i think that can only help spread discord tent and reduce morale of the forces in at the frontline in ukraine and the russian forces, of course , and russian forces, of course, and particularly if it comes to outright fighting , which it may outright fighting, which it may do between russia and forces and wagner mercenaries, then that will also have an impact on the front line . what what do we know front line. what what do we know airoar— front line. what what do we know airoar rne— front line. what what do we know about the wagner— c what what do we know about the wagner organisation? inere— about the wagner organisation? inere nave— about the wagner organisation? there have been— about the wagner organisation? there have been around for a iong— there have been around for a iong rime— there have been around for a iong rine no— there have been around for a long time now .— there have been around for a long time now . i— there have been around for a long time now . i mean, are you long time now. i mean, are you sarprisea— long time now. i mean, are you sarprisea ar— long time now. i mean, are you surprised at the— long time now. i mean, are you surprised at the way they're

irenaving — surprised at the way they're behaving now— surprised at the way they're behaving now and what do you rnink— behaving now and what do you rnink rne— behaving now and what do you think the end— behaving now and what do you think the end game will be? i'm not think the end game will be? i'm nor a— think the end game will be? i'm nor a aki— think the end game will be? i'm not at all surprised. “ not at all surprised. i mean, i crink— not at all surprised. i mean, i think putin actually brought this situation about himself by allowing mercer groups and wagner is the biggest and most effective one. but there are many other mercenary groups working in inside russia and in ukraine and on behalf of russia around the world, but allowing them to have the autonomy they've had and not crushing prigozhin when he started to speak out against the high command, several months ago, i think putin has brought this upon himself . and, you know , the upon himself. and, you know, the wagner group themselves , they wagner group themselves, they number something, i think we're told, around about 20,000, maybe prigozhin says 25,000, maybe more or less. but either way, there are significant fighting force. their battle hardened. they seem to be ready to take on the russian armed forces if they need to in a fight to prevail in this situation inside russia.

and they you know, we've heard we've seen reports that some russian regular forces have kind of gone over onto the wagner side. i don't know how true they are or how significant that is, but so far, with the exception of reports of some helicopter action possibly against wagner, we haven't really seen the russian forces doing anything much against faux pas to try and stop them from getting to moscow. that that may well change. do you do you think that they that the wagner group will actually try to do that ? they actually try to do that? they will actually. it's a- t rtrtr c“tc7 they will actually. it's a thousand mikes— will actually. it's a thousand rniies non — will actually. it's a thousand miles from where they are at the rnornenr — miles from where they are at the nrornenr. inev— miles from where they are at the moment. they will— miles from where they are at the moment. they will actually arrenpr— moment. they will actually. attempt_ moscow moment. they will actually- attempt_ moscow . attempt to march into moscow. it's attempt to march into moscow. to possiirie— attempt to march into moscow. it's possibleldon't— attempt to march into moscow. it's possibleldon't know- attempt to march into moscow. it's possibleldon't know .- attempt to march into moscow. it's possibleldon't know . i. it's possible. i don't know. i mean, i think, you know, prigozhin is quite a volatile character . he's not a fool, character. he's not a fool, though . he's he's character. he's not a fool, though. he's he's a very successful businessman and has built up this organisation to be probably the second most powerful military organisation in russia , pretty much. and he

in russia, pretty much. and he will have thought this through well ahead. so he will know what he wants to do and he will undoubtedly have garnered support from outside wagner in some form , whether that be among some form, whether that be among the national guard or other elements of the security forces orindeed elements of the security forces or indeed high, high ranking people in the kremlin, we don't know that. but i think whether he will do that or whether he won't, whether he stopped before he can, we will have to wait and see. not really possible to see. it's not really possible to predict that indeed to read. predict that or indeed to read. prigozhins somewhat disturbed mind. what do you make of his actions from a military strategy point of view? does it does it make— point of view? does it does it make niiirarv— point of view? does it does it make military sense- . 7 does it does it make military sense ? c t c make military sense? it doesn't make— make military sense? it doesn't make military sense? it doesn't make military sense. if you're thinking about the good of the russian war in ukraine, it undermines means that in pretty much every respect. but what he's what he's seems to be trying to do, his war, his personal war has been against the russian ministry of defence,

against people he thinks has betrayed the armed forces , betrayed the armed forces, including the wagner group, and have been fighting the war in ukraine on a lie, as he puts it. now he's not said that before, but he does say it now. so i suppose from his perspective, what he's doing makes sense. he says he wants to whether he wants to end the conflict i think is questionable . but he think is questionable. but he certainly wants to end the way it's being conducted and he wants continue acted in wants it to be continue acted in a effective way. but you a more effective way. but you know, we can't it's very hard to actually to his tactics, actually to read his tactics, his military tactics on the ground in this because we don't know what else is at stake. we don't many forces he's don't know how many forces he's got available to him. we don't know what other allies he has managed to put together in russia. it's really russia. so it's not really possible say whether this is possible to say whether this is going to be a successful coup or or it's going to be defeated. i think, you know , it's quite think, you know, it's quite possible it could well be defeated . but we don't really defeated. but we don't really know that yet either way. as i said, i think that it's a real

blow to putin. it's really destabilised his regime and it could well lead, even if not directly through this action. it could in in, you know, in the coming days, weeks or months lead to his own downfall . thank lead to his own downfall. thank you . that's colonel— t t“ t thank you . that's colonel richard you. that's colonel richard kenp. — you. that's colonel richard kenp. inank— you. that's colonel richard kemp. thank you very much for roining— kemp. thank you very much for roining as— kemp. thank you very much for roining as rnis— kemp. thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. kicnari— joining us this afternoon. richard former british infantry commander there. one good thing, one commander there. one good thing, rning— commander there. one good thing, rning vve— commander there. one good thing, rning we can— commander there. one good thing, one thing we can all— commander there. one good thing, one thing we can all be sure of, in — one thing we can all be sure of, in gaessing— one thing we can all be sure of, in gaessing. is— one thing we can all be sure of, i'm guessing, is that we won't nave— i'm guessing, is that we won't nave a— i'm guessing, is that we won't nave a nappv— i'm guessing, is that we won't have a happy ending. it'll be more bloodshed.— have a happy ending. it'll be more bloodshed. latest from more bloodshed. the latest from kearers— more bloodshed. the latest from kearers no— more bloodshed. the latest from reuters now-that— more bloodshed. the latest from reuters now that russian reuters now is that russian neiicoprers— reuters now is that russian helicopters have opened fire on the helicopters have opened fire on rne vvagner— helicopters have opened fire on the wagner group— helicopters have opened fire on the wagner group and joining me to the wagner group and joining me o aiscass— the wagner group and joining me to discuss this— the wagner group and joining me to discuss this latest development is former intelligence- development is former intelligence analyst for ex sovier— intelligence analyst for ex soviet state _ intelligence analyst for ex soviet state ewen grant. ewen rnank— soviet state ewen grant. ewen rnank voa— soviet state ewen grant. ewen rnank voa verv— soviet state ewen grant. ewen thank you very much for joining us thank you very much for joining as an— thank you very much for joining us this afternoon.— thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. ewen, what do you— us this afternoon. ewen, what do voa nake— us this afternoon. ewen, what do voa make or— us this afternoon. ewen, what do you make of these— us this afternoon. ewen, what do you make of these developments and ne— you make of these developments and the latest— you make of these developments and the latest developments that we're witnessing _ and the latest developments that we're witnessing now with neiicoprers— we're witnessing now with helicopters opening fire on the vvagner—as- helicopters opening fire on the wagner_ as well? wagner mercenaries as well? vet.— wagner mercenaries as well? ves-a— wagner mercenaries as well? ves-a kine— wagner mercenaries as well? yes,-a line that's- wagner mercenaries as well? yes,-a line that's been. yes, that's a line that's been crossed and it does rather bring memories back of some of the

booksi memories back of some of the books i used to mention here, including before the invasion. tom clancy's farewell books . but tom clancy's farewell books. but remember, of course, he built his career on a book based on a real incident where units of the soviet armed forces fired on each other. oh, right. okay back. and the interesting perhaps parallel there is that the leader of the mutiny , the leader of the mutiny, there's a mutiny on board a warship was executed , but the warship was executed, but the crew were given prison sentences. and then quietly released dissent goes back for those with a long historical bent. those with a long historical bent . anthony beevor's book on bent. anthony beevor's book on the russian civil war. it's now out in paperback, and i think that's brilliant timing. i think that's brilliant timing. i think that must be required reading. i strongly agree with richard kemp's points. this is wholly negative from the point of view of russia's war in ukraine, particularly hinckley the point where the prigozhin really seems to have crossed another line by calling out the justification

for the war, because that's what he said. he said, you know, the reason for invading— rt he said, you know, the reason for invading ukraine that we going— reason for invading ukraine that we going ro— reason for invading ukraine that we were going to it. that was all we were going to it. that was aii a— we were going to it. that was aii a re — we were going to it. that was aii a re ir-s— we were going to it. that was all a lie. it'sjust_ we were going to it. that was all a lie. it's just about poiiricai— all a lie. it's just about political infighting in putin's cabinet— political infighting in putin's cabinet. yeah— political infighting in putin's cabinet. yeah it's it was pure inperiaiisn— cabinet. yeah it's it was pure imperialism to— cabinet. yeah it's it was pure imperialism to strengthen his posirion— imperialism to strengthen his posirion as— imperialism to strengthen his position as the— imperialism to strengthen his position as the economy deteriorate s, _ position as the economy deteriorates, although, of course , the _ deteriorates, although, of course , the russian economy has course, the russian economy has snovvn— course, the russian economy has snovvn ir-s— course, the russian economy has snovvn ir-s prerrv— course, the russian economy has shown it's pretty resilient as veii. — shown it's pretty resilient as veii. kna— shown it's pretty resilient as well. and it's— shown it's pretty resilient as well. and it's got- shown it's pretty resilient as well. ' “rt c 91]ch shown it's pretty resilient as well. ' “rt c gitr “g shown it's pretty resilient as well. ' “rt c gt “rg rtrt well. and it's got nothing to do with de—man terrifying ukraine that was always nonsense. so this in theory, is good so this in theory, is good news for the this in theory, is good news for rne irkraine. — this in theory, is good news for the ukraine. us— this in theory, is good news for the ukraine. t the ukraine. us properly used and by that we should mean properly used by the west that they don't let up . they keep the they don't let up. they keep the support, the ukrainians will be very, very savvy on this. but not everybody in the west has been has been robust as they should be. no, germany springs to should be. no, germany springs ro nine— should be. no, germany springs ro nine verv.— should be. no, germany springs ro nine verv. verv— t no, germany springs to mind very, very much so. vean. — to mind very, very much so. vean. vean.— to mind very, very much so. yeah. yeah. but— to mind very, very much so. yeah. yeah. but i- to mind very, very much so. yeah. yeah. but i mean, the fact rnar— yeah. yeah. but i mean, the fact rnar rne— yeah. yeah. but i mean, the fact that the russian— yeah. yeah. but i mean, the fact that the russian helicopters are

opening— that the russian helicopters are now opening fire— that the russian helicopters are now opening fire on the wagner soap.— now opening fire on the wagner croap. vnicn— now opening fire on the wagner group, which are— now opening fire on the wagner group, which are based at the nrornenr— group, which are based at the rnornenr ir— group, which are based at the moment, it seems to have ovenaken— moment, it seems to have overtaken the— moment, it seems to have overtaken the town of rostov on donk— overtaken the town of rostov on iron. vnicn — overtaken the town of rostov on iron. vnicn is— overtaken the town of rostov on don, which is about 1000 miles noar— don, which is about 1000 miles norcvv—iioso. - don, which is about 1000 miles hour moscow. that's hour away from moscow. that's rnar— hour away from moscow. that's ma ma— hour away from moscow. that's that that doesn't— hour away from moscow. that's that that doesn't sound good for— that that doesn't sound good for me— that that doesn't sound good news for the 1.1— that that doesn't sound good news for the 1.1 million people rnar— news for the 1.1 million people rnar acraaiiv— news for the 1.1 million people that actually live— news for the 1.1 million people that actually live in that town. vveii— that actually live in that town. vveii or— that actually live in that town. well of course,— that actually live in that town. well of course, we— that actually live in that town. well of course, we can. �*vtvi�*rt well of course, we can. we reaiiv— well of course, we can. we reaiiv ire— well of course, we can. we really be sure— well of course, we can. we really be sure that the attacks have been in in rostov itself? well, we don't know. we're heanng well, we don't know. we're hearing about verona, aren't we? and of course, it's a big city, de rostov. it depends on where they're fighting. it might even be firing towards them just to send a warning message. i suspect not. i suspect they are actually firing at them. so we need to do where and as you say, there will be bloodshed. i would be be more inclined to see what actually is the situation in in or near voronezh , because we or near voronezh, because we have to remember in in russia and in ukraine, this has caused and in ukraine, this has caused a lot of confusion. all of the regions, or most of them take the name of the largest city so it can sometimes be confused .

it can sometimes be confused. housing is the reference to the city or the region. and of course, these are large regions and they are very large regions. so, i mean, just just finally, i son or— so, i mean, just just finally, i mean, sort of like— so, i mean, just just finally, i mean, sort of like this in rneorv.— mean, sort of like this in rneorv. ir-s— mean, sort of like this in theory, it's good news for ukraine.— theory, it's good news for ukraine. but— theory, it's good news for ukraine. but as- theory, it's good news for ukraine. but as far as the iriooasnei— ukraine. but as far as the bloodshed and- ukraine. but as far as the bloodshed and loss of lives is concerned , it's— bloodshed and loss of lives is concerned , it's probably not concerned, it's probably not going— concerned, it's probably not going ro— concerned, it's probably not going ro nave— concerned, it's probably not going to have a— concerned, it's probably not going to have a good ending, is ire — going to have a good ending, is ire vo— going to have a good ending, is ire vo .— going to have a good ending, is ire vo . xii— going to have a good ending, is it? no . all bets— going to have a good ending, is it? no . all bets are- going to have a good ending, is it? \rt it? no. all bets are off, frankly , in russia. this is frankly, in russia. this is unprecedented . whoever comes out unprecedented. whoever comes out on top will be seriously weakened. and i thought richard kemp was exactly spot on regarding putin's authority . regarding putin's authority. motty he's miscalculated badly. supposedly one of the strongest supporters and allies, not friend , seems to have turned on friend, seems to have turned on him. and obviously everybody will have noticed that. thank you very much, ewen.- cc t: thank you very much, ewen. thank you. kni— you very much, ewen. thank you. one cram.— you very much, ewen. thank you. and grant, former— you very much, ewen. thank you. and grant, former intelligence anaivsr— and grant, former intelligence anaivsr for— and grant, former intelligence analyst for ex—soviet states rnere— analyst for ex—soviet states rnere as— analyst for ex—soviet states rnere as i— analyst for ex—soviet states there as i said,— analyst for ex—soviet states there as i said, this is an increiiiriv— there as i said, this is an incredibly fast- there as i said, this is an incredibly fast moving story . incredibly fast moving story. kassian— incredibly fast moving story. russian police—

incredibly fast moving story. russian police outside the vvagner— russian police outside the vvagner no— russian police outside the wagner hq in— russian police outside the wagner hq in saint petersburg as veii. — wagner hq in saint petersburg now as well. britain's and we move on. britain— now as well. britain's and we move on. britain seemingly never ending— move on. britain seemingly never ending wave— move on. britain seemingly never ending or— move on. britain seemingly never ending wave of industrial action is ser— ending wave of industrial action is ser ro— ending wave of industrial action is set to continue— ending wave of industrial action is set to continue as the rmt ani— is set to continue as the rmt and anion— is set to continue as the rmt and junior doctors announce nesn— and junior doctors announce rresn srrike— and junior doctors announce fresh strike dates . the british fresh strike dates. the british iieaicai— fresh strike dates. the british medical association has said rnar— medical association has said rnarianior— medical association has said that junior doctors will strike for five — that junior doctors will strike for five consecutive days in july— for five consecutive days in july .— for five consecutive days in raiv . vnicn— for five consecutive days in july , which will- for five consecutive days in july , which will be the longest july, which will be the longest singie— july, which will be the longest singie period— july, which will be the longest single period of— july, which will be the longest single period of industrial acrion— single period of industrial acrion in— single period of industrial action in the— single period of industrial action in the nhs. nhs history, ana— action in the nhs. nhs history, and rnar— action in the nhs. nhs history, and ma is— action in the nhs. nhs history, and that is with— action in the nhs. nhs history, and that is with 7.4 million peopie— and that is with 7.4 million peopie on— and that is with 7.4 million people on that— and that is with 7.4 million people on that waiting list. iieanvniie.— people on that waiting list. meanwhile, further disruption on nrirain-s— meanwhile, further disruption on nrirain-s rai— meanwhile, further disruption on britain's rail network is expecrea— britain's rail network is expected after the rmt union announced its— expected after the rmt union announced its members will stage srrikes— announced its members will stage srrikes on— announced its members will stage srrikes on raiv. — announced its members will stage strikes on july. the— announced its members will stage strikes on july. the 20th, 22nd ani— strikes on july. the 20th, 22nd and eera— strikes on july. the 20th, 22nd and 29th. now— strikes on july. the 20th, 22nd and 29th. now now, joining me is— and 29th. now now, joining me now is political— and 29th. now now, joining me now is political commentator inna— now is political commentator inna vveirir— now is political commentator emma webb to— now is political commentator emma webb to try and make some or— emma webb to try and make some of ne— emma webb to try and make some sense of the never— emma webb to try and make some sense of the never ending sakes.— sense of the never ending srrikes. vve— sense of the never ending strikes. we seem to be caught up in. inna— strikes. we seem to be caught up in. emma, thank— strikes. we seem to be caught up in. emma, thank you so much for toining— in. emma, thank you so much for roining ne— in. emma, thank you so much for roining rne rnis— in. emma, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon, emma. why— joining me this afternoon, emma. vvnv anar— joining me this afternoon, emma. vvnv vnar io— joining me this afternoon, emma. vvnv vnar ao voa— joining me this afternoon, emma. why what do you make of, you know.— why what do you make of, you know. ianior— why what do you make of, you know, junior doctors and rail

irack— know, junior doctors and rail unions back on— know, junior doctors and rail unions back on strike again ? unions back on strike again? vvnar— unions back on strike again? vvnarlvoa— unions back on strike again? vvnarlvoa-or- unions back on strike again? what-you-of this. what do you make of this siraarion— what do you make of this situation ? _ what do you make of this situation ? �*vtvi�*rtcc “

hospitality industry over £3 billion, £3.25— hospitality industry over £3 billion, £3.25 billion. so cranky.— billion, £3.25 billion. so prankiv. i— billion, £3.25 billion. so frankly, i think that the public svnparnv— frankly, i think that the public svnparnv vvirn— frankly, i think that the public sympathy with these rail srrikers— sympathy with these rail strikers will— sympathy with these rail strikers will be waning more and as rnis— strikers will be waning more and more as this continues. i think rnar— more as this continues. i think pa per— more as this continues. i think that their politicking and with, you that their politicking and with, voa knovv. — that their politicking and with, voa knovv. vvirn— that their politicking and with, you know, with people's lives , you know, with people's lives, rne— you know, with people's lives, rne rai— you know, with people's lives, the rail workers— you know, with people's lives, the rail workers themselves are iosing— the rail workers themselves are iosing a— the rail workers themselves are iosing a page— the rail workers themselves are losing a huge amount of money as a resair— losing a huge amount of money as a resair or— losing a huge amount of money as a result of these— losing a huge amount of money as a result of these strikes as veii.— a result of these strikes as veii. so— a result of these strikes as well. so that's— a result of these strikes as well. so that's one issue. and to well. so that's one issue. and ro park— well. so that's one issue. and ro park par.— well. so that's one issue. and ro park rnar. i— well. so that's one issue. and to park that, i think the issue to park that, i think the issue o oo— to park that, i think the issue o go via— to park that, i think the issue to do with the— to park that, i think the issue to do with the junior doctors srriking — to do with the junior doctors srriking anci— to do with the junior doctors striking and the— to do with the junior doctors striking and the nurses paiioring— striking and the nurses balloting the entire country , balloting the entire country, vnicn— balloting the entire country, which which— balloting the entire country, which which looks like it may nave— which which looks like it may nave nav— which which looks like it may have may have— which which looks like it may have may have failed, i believe the have may have failed, i believe rne paiior— have may have failed, i believe the ballot was— have may have failed, i believe the ballot was yesterday evening on par— the ballot was yesterday evening on par .— the ballot was yesterday evening on par . i— the ballot was yesterday evening on that . i think— the ballot was yesterday evening on that . i think that that's on that. i think that that's a separare— on that. i think that that's a separate issue— on that. i think that that's a separate issue because i think rnar— separate issue because i think rnar given— separate issue because i think rnar given me— separate issue because i think that given the situation with the that given the situation with rne ans.— that given the situation with rne was me— that given the situation with the nhs, the fact that we have cancer patients— the nhs, the fact that we have cancer patients who are dying as a resair— cancer patients who are dying as a resair or.— cancer patients who are dying as a result of, again,— cancer patients who are dying as a result of, again, public neairn— a result of, again, public health policies , the backlog in health policies, the backlog in the health policies, the backlog in rne ans.— health policies, the backlog in rne was i— health policies, the backlog in the nhs, i think— health policies, the backlog in the nhs, i think we can all agree— the nhs, i think we can all agree rnar— the nhs, i think we can all agree that we— the nhs, i think we can all agree that we would like nurses to agree that we would like nurses ro pe— agree that we would like nurses ro pe pairi— agree that we would like nurses to be paid more,— agree that we would like nurses to be paid more, but having vaikoars— to be paid more, but having walkouts of— to be paid more, but having walkouts of nurses and junior iocrors— walkouts of nurses and junior iocrors is— walkouts of nurses and junior doctors is frankly— walkouts of nurses and junior doctors is frankly reckless pecaase— doctors is frankly reckless because it's— doctors is frankly reckless because it's putting people's

iives— because it's putting people's iives ar— because it's putting people's lives at risk. _ because it's putting people's lives at risk. �*vtvirt t lives at risk. we've already seen earlier this year walkouts from cancer wards . i think, from cancer wards. i think, frankly from the position of people who have chosen to go into healthcare and they have a responsibility to their patients, that's unethical and reckless. emma. i mean, i'm playing— reckless. emma. i mean, i'm piaving aevii-s— t emma. i mean, i'm playing devil's advocate here, but playing devil's advocate here, par rnev— playing devil's advocate here, but they would— playing devil's advocate here, but they would say that , you but they would say that, you know.— but they would say that, you know. vnar— but they would say that, you know, what else— but they would say that, you know, what else can they do ? i know, what else can they do? i n-eanknov— know, what else can they do? i mean, know, strikes are mean, you know, strikes are aivavs— mean, you know, strikes are aivavs as— mean, you know, strikes are aivavs as a— mean, you know, strikes are always as a last— mean, you know, strikes are always as a last resort doctors anci— always as a last resort doctors and ne— always as a last resort doctors and the nurses,— always as a last resort doctors and the nurses, indeed, they ion-r— and the nurses, indeed, they ion-r vvanr— and the nurses, indeed, they don't want to _ and the nurses, indeed, they don't want to go _ and the nurses, indeed, they don't want to go on strike. they ion-r— don't want to go on strike. they ion-r vanr— don't want to go on strike. they ion-r vanr ro— don't want to go on strike. they don't want to put— don't want to go on strike. they don't want to put patients lives at don't want to put patients lives a risk.— don't want to put patients lives a risk. par— don't want to put patients lives at risk. but they— don't want to put patients lives at risk. but they feel like they nave— at risk. but they feel like they nave no— at risk. but they feel like they have no alternative kyiv i think i have no alternative kyiv i think i nean— have no alternative kyiv i think i rin— have no alternative kyiv i think i mean, i'm sure— have no alternative kyiv i think i mean, i'm sure we can all agree— i mean, i'm sure we can all agree on— i mean, i'm sure we can all agree on rnis. — i mean, i'm sure we can all agree on this. “ i mean, i'm sure we can all agree on this. t“ agree on this. the is in serious crisis . we don't have crisis. we don't have a universal health care service right now. i keep saying we have a universal lack of health care in this country. people can't even get to see a dentist. so the situation is obviously awful . it's to do with the way that the you know, the inefficiency of the way that the nhs runs. and the fact is that this is taxpayer money and you cannot give people a pay rise if there

isn't that money go around. isn't that money to go around. now, also has now, the nhs also has a massively inflated bureaucracy. we've got people who are working in equality, diversity in inclusion, . they're inclusion, jobs. they're probably well say probably they don't need to exist , but that don't need to exist, but that money could be spent on frontline workers or nurses and junior doctors. so there's this hugely inflated bureaucracy . the hugely inflated bureaucracy. the way that it's run is inefficient. it's a black mark, a black hole for taxpayer money. we need to be looking at radically reforming the nhs . and radically reforming the nhs. and that's not to say that it shouldn't be free. i'm not suggesting should. you suggesting that we should. you know, or know, radically privatise it or anything but are anything like that. but we are at the point now where we do need to seriously discuss aukus how going reform the how we are going to reform the nhs so that it works properly, because problem because this systemic problem batus are not going to go anywhere if we throw more money at and the fact that the at it. and the fact is that the nurses offered already nurses were offered already a pay nurses were offered already a pay rise, but it wasn't the double digit pay rise that they wanted they rejected that wanted and so they rejected that pay wanted and so they rejected that pay the government pay offer from the government and when you're talking and i think when you're talking about tax payers money, especially as

especially when everybody as i said, is suffering, you have to be fair minded about this and you have to try and tackle the root of the problem. there is no point to tackle the point in trying to tackle the symptoms that's emma webb symptoms. emma that's emma webb mere.— symptoms. emma that's emma webb rnere. roiiricai— sg emma that's emma webb there. political commentator. inank— there. political commentator. inank-so— there. political commentator. thank- so _for- there. political commentator. thank so for joining there. political commentator. - thank-so-forjoining us thank you so much forjoining us this thank you so much forjoining us rnis—rne- thank you so much forjoining us this—the latest- this afternoon with the latest on me— this afternoon with the latest on rne neve— this afternoon with the latest on the never ending strikes . i on the never ending strikes. i rnink— on the never ending strikes. i rnink rne— on the never ending strikes. i think the rail— on the never ending strikes. i think the rail strikes have been going— think the rail strikes have been going for— think the rail strikes have been going for on— think the rail strikes have been going for on over— think the rail strikes have been going for on over a year now, naven-r— going for on over a year now, naven-r rneve— going for on over a year now, haven't they? right. you're varcning— haven't they? right. you're watching listening to gb watching and listening to gb veas— watching and listening to gb news saturday— watching and listening to gb news saturday with me, dawn neesom.— news saturday with me, dawn veeson. kni— news saturday with me, dawn neesom. and there's lots more coming— neesom. and there's lots more conning ap— neesom. and there's lots more conning ap on— neesom. and there's lots more coming up on today's show this weekend.— coming up on today's show this weekend. we'll— coming up on today's show this weekend. we'll see cornwall's iargesr— weekend. we'll see cornwall's iargesr ani— weekend. we'll see cornwall's largest and longest ever niiirav— largest and longest ever military parade to mark armed forces— military parade to mark armed forces pav— military parade to mark armed forces day. we'll— military parade to mark armed forces day. we'll go live to rainoafn— forces day. we'll go live to falmouth and— forces day. we'll go live to falmouth and speak to gb news soafn— falmouth and speak to gb news soafn of— falmouth and speak to gb news south of england.— falmouth and speak to gb news south of england. reporter jeff iiooiv— south of england. reporter jeff iiooiv par— south of england. reporter jeff moody but first,— south of england. reporter jeff moody but first, here's a very snaki— moody but first, here's a very snaii peak.— moody but first, here's a very small break, so— moody but first, here's a very small break, so don't go

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blackmail terrorist methods blackmail and terrorist methods , inevitable , will suffer an inevitable punishment , , will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both to the law and to our people of the main support ship for the titan submersible returned to its home base in canada after attempting to recover the vessel which imploded in the north atlantic, killing five people. one of two canadian coastguard- cc “rg �*7 one of two canadian coastguard ships has aiso— canadian coastguard ships has also returned— canadian coastguard ships has also returned to— canadian coastguard ships has also returned to saint john's narpoar— also returned to saint john's harbour after— also returned to saint john's harbour after the conclusion of the harbour after the conclusion of fne seacn— harbour after the conclusion of the search and— harbour after the conclusion of the search and rescue operation. a safefv— the search and rescue operation. a safety investigation into the inpiosion— a safety investigation into the inpiosion of— a safety investigation into the implosion of the— a safety investigation into the implosion of the submersible has peen— implosion of the submersible has been launched— implosion of the submersible has been launched and— implosion of the submersible has been launched and it will focus on fne— been launched and it will focus on fne safefv— been launched and it will focus on the safety of— been launched and it will focus on the safety of the operation rafner— on the safety of the operation rafner fnan — on the safety of the operation rather than determine civil or crininai— rather than determine civil or criminal liability— rather than determine civil or criminal liability . and prime criminal liability. and prime iiinisfer— criminal liability. and prime minister rishi _ criminal liability. and prime minister rishi sunak has paid fripafe— minister rishi sunak has paid fripafe fo— minister rishi sunak has paid tribute to the— minister rishi sunak has paid tribute to the phenomenal precision— tribute to the phenomenal precision and— tribute to the phenomenal precision and professional reaiisn— precision and professional reaiisn of— precision and professional realism of british troops as evenfs— realism of british troops as events are held— realism of british troops as events are held across the uk to mark— events are held across the uk to mark pinea— events are held across the uk to mark armed forces— events are held across the uk to mark armed forces day. the king aiso— mark armed forces day. the king aiso pairi— mark armed forces day. the king also paid tribute— mark armed forces day. the king also paid tribute in— mark armed forces day. the king also paid tribute in a signed ieffer— also paid tribute in a signed letter thanking— also paid tribute in a signed letter thanking military personnei— letter thanking military personnel for the immense and aeiicafea— personnel for the immense and dedicated contribution of the prifisn— dedicated contribution of the

british military— dedicated contribution of the british military , both at home british military, both at home ani— british military, both at home and overseas— british military, both at home and overseas .— british military, both at home and overseas . parades british military, both at home and overseas. parades and iiv-pasf— and overseas. parades and riv—pasr viii— and overseas. parades and fly—past will be taking place foiav— fly—past will be taking place foaav aoai— fly—past will be taking place today around the country to fnank— today around the country to fnank fne— today around the country to thank the military community. you thank the military community. voa can— thank the military community. voa ger— thank the military community. you can get more— thank the military community. you can get more on all of those sfories— you can get more on all of those sfories pv— you can get more on all of those stories by visiting _ you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website . envevvscon— stories by visiting our website , gbnews.com. now it's back to dawn— , gbnews.com. now it's back to dawn .— dawn. welcome pawn.- welcome back pawn.— welcome back to gb earn.— welcome back to gb news safariav. — welcome back to gb news saturday. with- welcome back to gb news saturday. �*vtvi welcome back to gb news saturday. i welcome back to gb news- saturday. with me dawn neesom welcome back to gb news— saturday. with me dawn neesom on your tv online and on digital radio. so you can take me out in the garden because we are now going to talk about the heat wave, this heat wave, this weekend. we have been asking long, are you staying hydrated and not with a cold beer? evidently that's not healthy. this comes as the residents of liverpool have been revealed as drinking the least amount of water falling short of the recommended 6 to 8 cups per day. tut tut liverpool. honestly, now our gb news reporter jack carson

is out in the heat for us because we don't like him, do we? we made him standing in a field, in a suit, in the heat. jack. so how are you coping with the temperature in birmingham and that looks like a lovely ice cream . i'm it and that looks like a lovely ice cream. i'm it is. it and that looks like a lovely ice cream . i'm it is. it is lovely. cream. i'm it is. it is lovely. voa— cream. i'm it is. it is lovely. voa ion-f— cream. i'm it is. it is lovely. voa ion-f voa— cream. i'm it is. it is lovely. you don't you don't- t c it is lovely. you don't you don't get i113? c it is lovely. you don't you don't get half too pap.— you don't you don't get half too paa. tops— you don't you don't get half too pai. rops pere— you don't you don't get half too bad. jobs here really as a reporfer— bad. jobs here really as a reporter and— bad. jobs here really as a reporter and it's been all right foiav— reporter and it's been all right foiav. io— reporter and it's been all right roaav. io pe— reporter and it's been all right today. to be fair,— reporter and it's been all right today. to be fair, the weather's nor— today. to be fair, the weather's nof peen— today. to be fair, the weather's nof peen foo— today. to be fair, the weather's not been too close— today. to be fair, the weather's not been too close to the 30 as vnar— not been too close to the 30 as vnar iiavpe— not been too close to the 30 as what maybe the— not been too close to the 30 as what maybe the met office fnoagnf— what maybe the met office fnoagnf if— what maybe the met office thought it might be. we were expecfing— thought it might be. we were expecfing nign— thought it might be. we were expecting high 20, particularly aoan— expecting high 20, particularly down in— expecting high 20, particularly down in ne— expecting high 20, particularly down in the south—east and london— down in the south—east and london where— down in the south—east and london where we were expecting to temperatures— london where we were expecting to temperatures of— london where we were expecting to temperatures of upwards of so c.— to temperatures of upwards of so c. iris— to temperatures of upwards of so c. as nor— to temperatures of upwards of 33 c. it's not got— to temperatures of upwards of 33 c. it's not got that hot so far— 33 c. it's not got that hot so far foiav— 33 c. it's not got that hot so far foaav .— 33 c. it's not got that hot so far today , but— 33 c. it's not got that hot so far today , but it— 33 c. it's not got that hot so far today , but it may well do far today, but it may well do tomorrow, sunday is meant to be the tomorrow, sunday is meant to be fne noffer— tomorrow, sunday is meant to be fne noffer of— tomorrow, sunday is meant to be the hotter of the _ tomorrow, sunday is meant to be the hotter of the two days this weekend. — the hotter of the two days this weekend. so — the hotter of the two days this weekend. so we— the hotter of the two days this weekend. so we may well see some see weekend. so we may well see some noffer— weekend. so we may well see some see some hotter weather there foiav— see some hotter weather there foiav. iris— see some hotter weather there today. it's been— see some hotter weather there today. it's been a— see some hotter weather there today. it's been a bit cloudy fnroagnoaf— today. it's been a bit cloudy throughout the— today. it's been a bit cloudy throughout the day here in pirningpan.— throughout the day here in birmingham, so we've not had scorcning— birmingham, so we've not had some scorching heat. it's been verv— some scorching heat. it's been verv-fo— some scorching heat. it's been verv-fo fini— some scorching heat. it's been very to find shade, which very easy to find shade, which of—novv- very easy to find shade, which- of_how important of course, we know how important fnaf— of course, we know how important fnaflfor— of course, we know how important fnaflfor sfaving— of course, we know how important that for staying healthy in that is for staying healthy in the that is for staying healthy in fne—ivenl

the sunshine as well. even expens—ifl the sunshine as well. eveni expens—if voa the sunshine as well. even- experts_if you do experts say that even if you do go-fne— experts say that even if you do go-fne sa— experts say that even if you do go-fne voa- experts say that even if you do go the sun, you shouldn't go out in the sun, you shouldn't necessariiv— go out in the sun, you shouldn't necessarily sit— go out in the sun, you shouldn't necessarily sit direct necessarily sit in direct saniignf— necessarily sit in direct. sunlight—hours necessarily sit in direct- sunlight_hours and sunlight for now, for hours and no. — sunlight for now, for hours and no. -fina— sunlight for now, for hours and. hours. _find-shade, hours. you just find some shade, as-nenfioning- hours. you just find some shade, as-mentioninglthel as you were mentioning at the top as you were mentioning at the fop-kviv— as you were mentioning at the top-kyiv-hydratedl as you were mentioning at the. top-kyiv-hydrated as top there, kyiv keep hydrated as veii.— top there, kyiv keep hydrated as vve.coarseii-— top there, kyiv keep hydrated as well.-course, wear- well. and of course, wear your suncream _is what- well. and of course, wear your suncream is what the suncream 30 spf is what the expens— suncream 30 spf is what the experts recommend as the rninirnarn— experts recommend as the- minimum.-melanoma is experts recommend as the— minimum.-melanoma is one minimum. we know melanoma is one of-five— minimum. we know melanoma is one of-five nosf— minimum. we know melanoma is one of-five most common— minimum. we know melanoma is one of five most common cancers of the five most common cancers in ne— of the five most common cancers in fne-of— of the five most common cancers in fne-of coarse— of the five most common cancers in the .of course, and- of the five most common cancers in the of course, and every in the uk, of course, and every fine— in the uk, of course, and every time-sunburn-canj time you get sunburn that can increase-chances- time you get sunburn that can increase chances of getting increase your chances of getting fna— increase your chances of getting fnaflfo— increase your chances of getting that..to protect— increase your chances of getting that. to protect yourself, that. so to protect yourself, aivavs— that. so to protect yourself, aivavs vea— that. so to protect yourself, always wear your sunscreen , even always wear your sunscreen, even if always wear your sunscreen, even if-san— always wear your sunscreen, even if-san aoesn-f— always wear your sunscreen, even if sun doesn't doesn't if the sun doesn't doesn't necessariiv— if the sun doesn't doesn't necessarily bright, if the sun doesn't doesn't necessarily-bright, if necessarily look bright, even if it necessarily look bright, even if if is— necessarily look bright, even if if is-iike— necessarily look bright, even if it is-like today,- necessarily look bright, even if it is like today, they it is cloudy like today, they sfiii— it is cloudy like today, they sfiii-if— it is cloudy like today, they sfiii-if on— it is cloudy like today, they still it on because those uv still put it on because those uv ravs— still put it on because those uv ravs sfiii— still put it on because those uv ravs sriii ger— still put it on because those uv rays still get through, still get— rays still get through, still gef-fne— rays still get through, still get-the clouds.- rays still get through, still get the clouds. so get through the clouds. so fnaf-s— get through the clouds. so was me— get through the clouds. so that's the picture here in birmingham— that's the picture here in birmingham .— that's the picture here in birmingham . but what we found birmingham. but what we found this birmingham. but what we found no weekend— birmingham. but what we found this weekend .this- birmingham. but what we found this weekend this heatwave birmingham. but what we found ththere'send this heatwave birmingham. but what we found ththere'senbig this heatwave birmingham. but what we found th there'sen big contrastleatwave is there's a big contrast pefvveen— is there's a big contrast between the— is there's a big contrast between the north—west and the soafn—easf— between the north—west and the south—east because tomorrow the pref— south—east because tomorrow the iief office — south—east because tomorrow the iief office nas— south—east because tomorrow the met office has issued a yellow veafner— met office has issued a yellow weather warning— met office has issued a yellow weather warning because of thunderstorms— weather warning because of thunderstorms .— weather warning because of thunderstorms . the met office thunderstorms. the met office saving— thunderstorms. the met office saving rnere— thunderstorms. the met office saying there could well be hail . iigpfning— saying there could well be hail , lightning, thunder up in , lightning, thunder all up in the , lightning, thunder all up in fne in— , lightning, thunder all up in the in scotland,— , lightning, thunder all up in the in scotland, in northern ireiani— the in scotland, in northern ireland-the- the in scotland, in northern ireland the north—west as ireland and in the north—west as veii— ireland and in the north—west as vea-of— ireland and in the north—west as well-of because- ireland and in the north—west as well-of because of- ireland and in the north—west as well of because of how well because of because of how veii.— well because of because of how veii. vnen— well because of because of how veii. vvnen voa— well because of because of how well, when you get— well because of because of how well, when you get that hot vveafner— well, when you get that hot weather and _ well, when you get that hot weather and get a damp, damp weather and you get a damp, damp ciinafe— weather and you get a damp, damp share-can.— weather and you get a damp, damp climate,-can,.course,- weather and you get a damp, damp climate, can, course, get climate, you can, of course, get

fnose— climate, you can, of course, get those thunderstorms. they've those thunderstorms. so they've put those thunderstorms. so they've| par—veiiovv put a weather warning, a yellow veafner— put a weather warning, a yellow weather warning— put a weather warning, a yellow weather warning place weather warning in place for nacn—pk- weather warning in place for. much—uk tomorrow. much parts of the uk tomorrow. par— much parts of the uk tomorrow. paf pere— much parts of the uk tomorrow. paf pee in— much parts of the uk tomorrow. but here in birmingham, more in the but here in birmingham, more in fne—snoaii- but here in birmingham, more in fne—snoaia pe- but here in birmingham, more ini the—should be okay the southeast, we should be okay for—.— the southeast, we should be okay for—. par- the southeast, we should be okay for—. par of- for thunderstorms. but of coarse-gee- for thunderstorms. but of course, gets later for thunderstorms. but of. course,-gets later on for thunderstorms. but of- course,-gets later on in course, when it gets later on in ne— course, when it gets later on in fne-as— course, when it gets later on in fne-as veii— course, when it gets later on in the-as well and- course, when it gets later on in the-as well and in- course, when it gets later on in the as well and in the the evening as well and in the summer months,— the evening as well and in the summer months, the temperature aoesn-f— summer months, the temperature poems—inop- summer months, the temperature doesn't_drop..thel doesn't necessarily drop. so the uk doesn't necessarily drop. so the pk neaifn— doesn't necessarily drop. so the uk health and— doesn't necessarily drop. so the uk health and security agency just uk health and security agency as saving— uk health and security agency just saying people, check in just saying to people, check in on _vulnerable- just saying to people, check in on vulnerable people , on those vulnerable people, fnose— on those vulnerable people, fnose over— on those vulnerable people, those over seconds, they say those over 65 seconds, they say to those over 65 seconds, they say fo nake— those over 65 seconds, they say fo nake sae— those over 65 seconds, they say to make sure that— those over 65 seconds, they say to make sure that are to make sure that they are keeping— to make sure that they are keeping cook— to make sure that they are keeping cool in— to make sure that they are keeping cool in the evening, especiaiiv— keeping cool in the evening, especiaiiv .— keeping cool in the evening, especially . and— keeping cool in the evening, especially . and one tip i found especially. and one tip i found out especially. and one tip i found oaf fnis— especially. and one tip i found out this afternoon— especially. and one tip i found out this afternoon as well, that if voa— out this afternoon as well, that if voa vanf— out this afternoon as well, that if voa vanf fo— out this afternoon as well, that if you want to try— out this afternoon as well, that if you want to try and keep cook.— if you want to try and keep cool, apparently- if you want to try and keep cool, apparently at night, you snoaii— cool, apparently at night, you snoaii fake— cool, apparently at night, you should take a— cool, apparently at night, you should take a warm, hot bath in the should take a warm, hot bath in fne-pecaase— should take a warm, hot bath in the because apparently the evening because apparently vnar— the evening because apparently vnar-poes— the evening because apparently vnar-poes is— the evening because apparently what-does is it— the evening because apparently what does is it then what that does is it then aiiafes— what that does is it then dilates your— what that does is it then dilates your blood vessels underneath— dilates your blood vessels underneath your skin. when underneath your skin. so when you— underneath your skin. so when voa—pan- underneath your skin. so when voa—pafn-frvl underneath your skin. so wheni voa—pafn-frv fo you get out the bath and try to cook— you get out the bath and try to cool—actually- you get out the bath and try toj cool—actually cool cool down, you're actually cool aoan—kni- cool down, you're actually cool. down _and because cool down, you're actually cool down already and because cool down, you're actually cool down already kind and because cool down, you're actually cool down already kind ofnd because cool down, you're actually cool down already kind of adapted se you're already kind of adapted to you're already kind of adapted fo-neaf— you're already kind of adapted fo-neaf in— you're already kind of adapted to-heat in the— you're already kind of adapted to heat in the room, you can to the heat in the room, you can cook— to the heat in the room, you can cook-a— to the heat in the room, you can cook-a ior— to the heat in the room, you can cool-a lot quicker,- cool down a lot quicker, apparenfiv— cool down a lot quicker, apparently. that's, that's a apparently. so that's, that's a ice— apparently. so that's, that's a naniv— apparently. so that's, that's a nice handy-for-if. apparently. so that's, that's a nice handy for if you nice handy fact for you. if you are-fne— nice handy fact for you. if you are-the sunshine- nice handy fact for you. if you are the sunshine today are out in the sunshine today vnen—fake- are out in the sunshine today vvnen—fake a| are out in the sunshine today- when _take a warm when you get home, take a warm pafn— when you get home, take a warm pafn-apparenfiv— when you get home, take a warm bath apparently you'll bath and apparently you'll be nacn— bath and apparently you'll be much—evening- bath and apparently you'll be much—evening. i bath and apparently you'll be. much _evening . all much cooler this evening. all makes— much cooler this evening. all makes nacn— much cooler this evening. all makes much more— much cooler this evening. all makes much more sense. there jack .

makes much more sense. there jack. it makes much more sense. there jack . it doesn't sound like it jack. it doesn't sound like it goes— jack. it doesn't sound like it does .— jack. it doesn't sound like it does . par— jack. it doesn't sound like it does , but it's— jack. it doesn't sound like it does , but it's one- t it doesn't sound like it does , but it's one of those it's does, but it's one of those it's of— does, but it's one of those it's of nose— does, but it's one of those it's one of those things where they aivavs— one of those things where they aivavs sav. — one of those things where they always say, don't— one of those things where they always say, don't you should you snoaia— always say, don't you should you snoaii aivavs— always say, don't you should you should always have— always say, don't you should you should always have a have a hot drink— should always have a have a hot drink in— should always have a have a hot drink in ne— should always have a have a hot drink in the hot— should always have a have a hot drink in the hot weather because it drink in the hot weather because if—aovvn - drink in the hot weather because if—aovvn more-i it cools calls you down more. knofner— it cools calls you down more. knofner-ice— it cools calls you down more. another-ice in- another fact, ice in front of a fan— another fact, ice in front of a fan fnaf-s— another fact, ice in front of a fan that's apparently be a way to fan that's apparently be a way fo-as— fan that's apparently be a way fo-as veii- fan that's apparently be a wayi to-as well-okay to keep cool as well right okay jack— to keep cool as well right okay rack-fine— to keep cool as well right okay jack-fine question- to keep cool as well right okay jack fine question before jack one fine question before you— jack one fine question before voa-voar— jack one fine question before voa-voar nor— jack one fine question before you your hot bath , before you go for your hot bath, before geffing— you go for your hot bath, before gearing-pea— you go for your hot bath, before gearing-pea .— you go for your hot bath, before getting-bed , that- you go for your hot bath, before getting bed , that that 99 getting into bed, that that 99 ice in— getting into bed, that that 99 ice cream in your— getting into bed, that that 99 ice cream in your hand , which is ice cream in your hand, which is rapiiiv— ice cream in your hand, which is rapiaiv neifing— ice cream in your hand, which is rapidly melting all— ice cream in your hand, which is rapidly melting all over you. sarv— rapidly melting all over you. sorrv .— rapidly melting all over you. sorrv. iive— rapidly melting all over you. sorryr rive no— rapidly melting all over you. sorry , i've no time- rapidly melting all over you. sorry , i've no time to- rapidly melting all over you. sorry, i've no time to eat it. how much did it cost you ? well, how much did it cost you? well, if you want to know the - rt.“ rt rt c t rtc.7 well, if you want to know the real inpacf— if you want to know the real inpacf of— if you want to know the real impact of inflation across the uk impact of inflation across the pk ecoov— impact of inflation across the uk economy, how much is it? 99. fps— uk economy, how much is it? 99. fps cosfs— uk economy, how much is it? 99. fps cosfs ne— uk economy, how much is it? 99. this costs me three— uk economy, how much is it? 99. this costs me three whole prifisn— this costs me three whole british pounds— this costs me three whole british pounds. that's outrageous. when i was a kid, you could get them for literally a few pennies . obviously it was a few pennies. obviously it was back in 1872, but i mean, i know. yeah oh well, you better make the most of it and enjoy it while it's still before it melts completely. and we'll expect to see it on your expenses form very soon when it will be no

doubt £5. that's jack carson. thank you very much for joining us. alive in birmingham , talking us. alive in birmingham, talking about how hot it is out there. now. you've been getting in touch on the we've been touch on the topics we've been discussing today on wagner's actions . david said actions in russia. david said let's not forget that prescribing is a mercenary. he probably had a better offer. and again, it's like we're all we're all thinking this is a good thing . putin sort of like, you thing. putin sort of like, you know, actually being challenged . but bargaining group . but the bargaining group aren't cuddly, they? aren't exactly cuddly, are they? i pretty much on mortgages i mean, pretty much on mortgages . simeon says part of the problem is demand. we cannot build houses fast enough, so why do we keep importing a population the size of birmingham every couple of years ? which again is a very fair point . meanwhile, on smoking, point. meanwhile, on smoking, paul says , whilst i'm not paul says, whilst i'm not a smoker, i don't think people should smoke. let's not forget that women have children through choice . people overweight choice. people get overweight through . people eat too through choice. people eat too much through choice , and much sugar through choice, and people hobbies people get hurt from hobbies through choice. yet people through choice. yet few people say pay for their say they should pay for their own treatment. interesting

points there. so but keep your views coming this is all views coming in. this is all about what you think, not what i think . you're the important think. you're the important ones. subscribe to our ones. so subscribe to our youtube channel and follow us on twitter. we're at gb news. now, if you think about someone who is definitely no nonsense in british politics, that's ann widdecombe, isn't it? so former conservative minister and now a member of the reform party speaks to our very own gloria de piero about why she thinks the tories might not win the general election. boris came in with a narorifv— election. boris came in with a narorirv of— election. boris came in with a narorirv of so— election. boris came in with a majority of 88 oh,— t boris came in with a majority of 88 oh, and most of fnaf— majority of 88 oh, and most of pa narorifv— majority of 88 oh, and most of that majority is— majority of 88 oh, and most of that majority is still there. iris— that majority is still there. its peen— that majority is still there. it's been slightly reduced. most of is— it's been slightly reduced. most of to sip— it's been slightly reduced. most of it's still there. _ it's been slightly reduced. most of it's still there. this is a governnenf— of it's still there. this is a government which should be able to government which should be able fo io— government which should be able co to anvfning— government which should be able co to anvfning if— government which should be able to do anything it wants to do anci— to do anything it wants to do and iris— to do anything it wants to do and it's hopeless. and what i nave— and it's hopeless. and what i now have come— and it's hopeless. and what i now have come to the conclusion ana— now have come to the conclusion and iive— now have come to the conclusion and i've resisted— now have come to the conclusion and i've resisted this for a iong— and i've resisted this for a iong fine.— and i've resisted this for a long time, but— and i've resisted this for a long time, but i- and i've resisted this for a long time, but i think now it's inevifapie— long time, but i think now it's inevitable there— long time, but i think now it's inevitable there is a fault line inevitable there is a fault line in ne— inevitable there is a fault line in the conservative party over iarope— in the conservative party over iarope. vnicn— in the conservative party over europe, which is— in the conservative party over europe, which is not going to go avav. — europe, which is not going to go avav. iris— europe, which is not going to go avav. irisrasf— europe, which is not going to go away. it's just not— europe, which is not going to go away. it's just not going to go avav. — away. it's just not going to go avav. i— away. it's just not going to go avav. i mean— away. it's just not going to go avav. i i— away. it's just not going to go away. i mean, i think everybody fnoagn— away. i mean, i think everybody fnoagnf. veii.— away. i mean, i think everybody thought, well, referendum thought, well, the referendum viii—vnen-

will settle it. then when the referenaan— will settle it. then when the referendum _way. referendum went the way they vverenf— referendum went the way they. weren't—thought, referendum went the way they wereractually thought, referendum went the way they wereractually when thought, referendum went the way they wereractually when we thought, referendum went the way they wereractually when we tho gett, well, actually when we do get near.— well, actually when we do get brexit, - settle - well, actually when we do get brexit,-settle it.- well, actually when we do get brexit, settle it. the brexit, that'll settle it. the arganenf— brexit, that'll settle it. the arganenf is— brexit, that'll settle it. the argument is still there. i think it argument is still there. i think if is— argument is still there. i think if is fine— argument is still there. i think if is fine for— argument is still there. i think it is time for another right of cenfre— it is time for another right of cenfre nanv— it is time for another right of cenfre nanv. — it is time for another right of centre party . �*vtvirtcc ”r“rttsc “rg centre party. well, interesting stuff. now you can watch the full interview on gb news show gloria mates while you'll find out who the person behind the politician actually is. that's every sunday at 6 p.m. not one you want to miss. now you're watching and listening to gb news saturday with me. dawn neesom. lots more coming up on the show as the bank of england raises interest rates yet again, mortgage holders fear they'll be paying mortgage holders fear they'll be paying off their mortgages for years to come or at worst may even lose their homes. years to come or at worst may even lose their homes . all of even lose their homes. all of that after these short messages .faux that after these short messages . faux pas.

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nanv— the bank of england confirmed nanv nongage— the bank of england confirmed many mortgage owners worst feas— many mortgage owners worst fears, including— many mortgage owners worst fears, including mine. interest rares— fears, including mine. interest rates are now at— fears, including mine. interest rates are now at 5. it's the nignesf— rates are now at 5. it's the highest level— rates are now at 5. it's the highest level in- rates are now at 5. it's the highest level in 15 years. and fne— highest level in 15 years. and fne crisis— highest level in 15 years. and the crisis is— highest level in 15 years. and the crisis is exacerbating the sifaafion— the crisis is exacerbating the situation for— the crisis is exacerbating the situation for what people are caring— situation for what people are calling mortgage prisoners . calling mortgage prisoners. peopie— calling mortgage prisoners. peopie nave— calling mortgage prisoners. people have been trapped, paying excessive interest— people have been trapped, paying excessive interest rates on nongages— excessive interest rates on mortgages since the 2008 financia— mortgages since the 2008 financial crisis. _ mortgages since the 2008 financial crisis. they will once again— financial crisis. they will once again see— financial crisis. they will once again see monthly payments rise foiioving— again see monthly payments rise following today's— again see monthly payments rise following today's interest rate decision— following today's interest rate iecision .— following today's interest rate decision . now,— following today's interest rate decision . now, joining me now is decision. now, joining me now is homeowner natasha burrows , who homeowner natasha burrows, who is a nongage— homeowner natasha burrows, who is a mortgage prisoner , where is a mortgage prisoner, where voa— is a mortgage prisoner, where voa nave— is a mortgage prisoner, where you have actually really been fnroagn— you have actually really been fnroagn fne— you have actually really been through the mill, haven't you? so through the mill, haven't you? so go— through the mill, haven't you? so so voa— through the mill, haven't you? so do you want— through the mill, haven't you? so do you want to— through the mill, haven't you? so do you want to tell me a iiffie— so do you want to tell me a iiffie pir— so do you want to tell me a little bit about— so do you want to tell me a little bit about what happened to little bit about what happened fo voa— little bit about what happened fo voa in— little bit about what happened ro voa in voar— little bit about what happened to you in your situation with voar— to you in your situation with voar nongage— to you in your situation with your mortgage issues? so my paspana— your mortgage issues? so my paspana ana— your mortgage issues? so my husband and myself, we bought our mortgage well, got our mortgage back in 2000 and five, sorry, 2006. we had it fixed for five years. we with northern rock at the time . after that rock at the time. after that five years, we tried to swap and we couldn't. we couldn't we were not allowed to. we weren't able

to because we didn't have enough eqtuin to because we didn't have enough equity in our home. and it was just high nobody would just so high and nobody would transfer take us off or transfer or take us off or switch to another mortgage provider there. we've been trapped for so long, so we're on 18 years now. sorry yeah, 18 years now that we've been trapped in our mortgage for and yeah, it's been a bit of a hard roller coaster of a ride . roller coaster of a ride. really? basically, yeah . what really? basically, yeah. what effect did it have— really? basically, yeah. what effect did it have on- really? basically, yeah. what effect did it have on on- t7 rt.tcc grtt“ what effect did it have on on your nenfai— effect did it have on on your mental health?— effect did it have on on your mental health? natasha i can't . mental health? natasha i can't. i mental health? natasha i can't. i mean— mental health? natasha i can't. i voa— mental health? natasha i can't. i mean, you know,— mental health? natasha i can't. i mean, you know, a lot of us oar— i mean, you know, a lot of us oaf pere— i mean, you know, a lot of us oaf nere are— i mean, you know, a lot of us out here are struggling. i'm ferrifiei— out here are struggling. i'm terrified now— out here are struggling. i'm terrified now about what's going to terrified now about what's going ro nappen— terrified now about what's going ro nappen vifn— terrified now about what's going to happen with my mortgage. cones— to happen with my mortgage. cones-an— to happen with my mortgage. comes-an end,— to happen with my mortgage. comes an end, but i mean, comes to an end, but i mean, is.— comes to an end, but i mean, iris-know.— comes to an end, but i mean, it's,-know,-stress- comes to an end, but i mean, it's, know, stress must it's, you know, the stress must nave— it's, you know, the stress must have _incredible- it's, you know, the stress must have incredible you. have been incredible for you. yes— have been incredible for you. yes,-horrendous. i have been incredible for you.l yes,-horrendous. we yes, it's been horrendous. we aki— yes, it's been horrendous. we did .children_ yes, it's been horrendous. we did .children .— yes, it's been horrendous. we did .children . our- yes, it's been horrendous. we did children . our mental did have children. our mental well, our mental health have been affected quite badly . um, been affected quite badly. um, to the extent that i myself and my husband , i even thought of my husband, i even thought of ending my life at one point. um that's obviously gone past now. and i'm completely different place. but yeah , we, it's, it's place. but yeah, we, it's, it's had a massive impact on us. and

now the fact that obviously with the base rate gone up as well, you income you know, your monthly income going, it's going to be even higher for your mortgage. so it is worrying for myself and other people now who can't fix people as well now who can't fix their mortgages or, you know, they're a variable rate . um, they're on a variable rate. um, and now it's going to be hitting them even harder, especially in today's crisis as well. so i mean, i'm just reading some of your story here, natasha. at one point you were really— . srtgr ”r“rtt \r at one point you were really struggling iiferaiiv— point you were really struggling iiferaiiv fo — point you were really struggling iiferaiiv ro par— point you were really struggling literally to put food on the fapie — literally to put food on the fapie .— literally to put food on the fapie . ks— literally to put food on the table . as you— literally to put food on the table . as you say, you had table. as you say, you had cniiiren— table. as you say, you had children to. _ table. as you say, you had children to. yes.- table. as you say, you had children to. f/rts f/rts ' “rt c children to. yes. yes. and it was this like a toss up either to have beans on toast, you know, or whether to pay a bill. you know, it was that bad. it has been that bad. i mean, my husband, lucky enough, just husband, lucky enough, he's just recently which recently got a new job, which has of us out a bit has kind of helped us out a bit . um, because he's going to get more but again, it's more money. but again, it's still hard because now still really hard because now all the rates all the so the interest rates going it's, it's going up as well. so it's, it's not to just affect not going to just affect us, it's going affect a lot it's going to also affect a lot of people in same boat of other people in the same boat as is your situation as us. so what is your situation now, natasha? is it it is the now, natasha? is it is it is the propien —

now, natasha? is it is it is the propien eases— now, natasha? is it is it is the problem eased for— now, natasha? is it is it is the problem eased for you - \r 7 is it is it is the problem eased for you ? problem eased for you? so the is— problem eased for you? so the scenario is now— problem eased for you? so the scenario is now that we've actually did put in for a remortgage , um, earlier this remortgage, um, earlier this yeanl remortgage, um, earlier this year, i didn't think i was going to get it, to be honest, and we got accepted as of may. so we've just literally after 18 years been able to remove mortgage and come away from northern rock or whistle tree. and now we're with a new company and we are fixed at a lower rate. now, lucky enough, obviously ours is going to be fixed for a little while, so we're not going to be, um, affected at the moment so much by the interest rate increasing. but in five years time that could be completely different . i could be completely different. i mean, don't know where we'll mean, i don't know where we'll be in 2025. gosh , what advice be in 2025. gosh, what advice vvoaii— be in 2025. gosh, what advice voaici voa— be in 2025. gosh, what advice voaia voa give— be in 2025. gosh, what advice would you give to— “ 20:25 gosh, what advice would you give to other people vvno — would you give to other people now who are facing similar sifaafions— now who are facing similar sifaafions e— now who are facing similar situations ? natasha um , i mean, situations? natasha um, i mean, iive— situations? natasha um, i mean, be gone.— situations? natasha um, i mean, be gone. iive— situations? natasha um, i mean, i've gone, i've pushed for severai— i've gone, i've pushed for several years. - i've gone, i've pushed for several years. “ i've gone, i've pushed for several years. cg “rg several years. i've been trying to get out of this scenario for over seven. like it's got to be the last. hang on. so it was 18 years. i had a fixed five, so

it's going to be like at least 15 years. i've been trying to move the mortgage . um, all i can move the mortgage. um, all i can say to people is just, just keep trying. all i've done is just kept trying. i didn't give up. although when i was approached earlier this year, somebody approached me. it was a broker , approached me. it was a broker, approached me. it was a broker, approached me. it was a broker, approached me and said, well, you can try. i didn't expect it to go through , to be honest. um, to go through, to be honest. um, and yeah, it did. it miracle did happen. and yeah, it did. it miracle did happen . um, so yeah , um, just happen. um, so yeah, um, just hold in there really great. thank you very much for joining us thank you very much for joining as foiav. — thank you very much for joining us today. that's— thank you very much for joining us today. that's natasha burrows .vvno— us today. that's natasha burrows .vvno naa— us today. that's natasha burrows , who had horrible— us today. that's natasha burrows , who had horrible problems with the , who had horrible problems with rne nongage— , who had horrible problems with the mortgage situation and a lot of peopie— the mortgage situation and a lot of peopie are— the mortgage situation and a lot of people are going to be experiencing— of people are going to be experiencing with that interest rare— experiencing with that interest rare going — experiencing with that interest rare going ap— experiencing with that interest rate going up and the first advice— rate going up and the first advice is— rate going up and the first advice is always to contact your fender— advice is always to contact your iencier if— advice is always to contact your iencier if voa— advice is always to contact your lender if you are— advice is always to contact your lender if you are struggling , lender if you are struggling, aivavs— lender if you are struggling, aivavs go— lender if you are struggling, aivavs go fo— lender if you are struggling, always go to your lender. it's in mere— always go to your lender. it's in there interest— always go to your lender. it's in there interest to try and pepp— in there interest to try and neip voa— in there interest to try and help you through it. and no one vanfs— help you through it. and no one vanfslpossess— help you through it. and no one wants possess houses because wants to possess houses because fnaf— wants to possess houses because fnaf is— wants to possess houses because fnaf is nor— wants to possess houses because that is not that— wants to possess houses because that is not that is— wants to possess houses because that is not that is not the way. kni— that is not that is not the way. one opvioasiv— that is not that is not the way. and obviously jeremy hunt has said— and obviously jeremy hunt has said fnaf—

and obviously jeremy hunt has said that repossessions will be nefa— said that repossessions will be neii off— said that repossessions will be neii off for— said that repossessions will be held off for 12— said that repossessions will be held off for 12 months if you snagging.— held off for 12 months if you are struggling. but please do get are struggling. but please do gef in— are struggling. but please do gef in foacn— are struggling. but please do get in touch with your lenders. kni— get in touch with your lenders. ana fnere — get in touch with your lenders. and there are— get in touch with your lenders. and there are there are help groaps— and there are there are help groaps oar— and there are there are help groups out there— and there are there are help groups out there that can help you— groups out there that can help voa-reaiiv— groups out there that can help you really struggling groups out there that can help you you've'eally struggling groups out there that can help you you've been struggling groups out there that can help you you've been getting ng groups out there that can help you you've been getting in . now, you've been getting in foacn—ve- . now, you've been getting in touch _we havei . now, you've been getting in- touch _we have been touch on the topics we have been aiscassing— touch on the topics we have been discussing today— touch on the topics we have been discussing today there's discussing today, and there's a lot discussing today, and there's a ioflfnen— discussing today, and there's a ioflfnen on— discussing today, and there's a lot-them on the— discussing today, and there's a lot them on the collapse of lot of them on the collapse of sappon— lot of them on the collapse of sappon for— lot of them on the collapse of support for conservative support for the conservative nanv.— support for the conservative nanv-savs- support for the conservative nanv. -savs fne - 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should do, shouldn't we? this stage is set for a rematch pefveen— stage is set for a rematch between dillian whyte and his poxing—rivai- between dillian whyte and his poxing—rivai .- boxing heavyweight rival, knfnonv— boxing heavyweight rival, knfnonv-ks- boxing heavyweight rival, anthony as soon as anthony joshua. as soon as aagasf— anthony joshua. as soon as kagasf fne— anthony joshua. as soon as august the 12th.— anthony joshua. as soon as august the 12th. white public cnaiiengei— august the 12th. white public challenged his— august the 12th. white public challenged his rival to a renafcn— challenged his rival to a rematch after- challenged his rival to a rematch after joshua challenged his rival to a rematch afterjoshua beat him in esp— rematch afterjoshua beat him in ecris anci— rematch afterjoshua beat him in ears and is— rematch afterjoshua beat him in 2015 and is set— rematch afterjoshua beat him in 2015 and is set to— rematch afterjoshua beat him in 2015 and is set to receive the confracf— 2015 and is set to receive the confracf for— 2015 and is set to receive the contract for a _ 2015 and is set to receive the contract for a rematch after faiks— contract for a rematch after talks resumed _ contract for a rematch after talks resumed today. now let's get talks resumed today. now let's gef snore— talks resumed today. now let's gef on— talks resumed today. now let's get more on this— talks resumed today. now let's get more on this story and all me— get more on this story and all fne ofner— get more on this story and all the other sports— get more on this story and all the other sports stories with a spons— the other sports stories with a sports broadcaster and journalist,— sports broadcaster and journalist, aidan magee. thank you journalist, aidan magee. thank voa-nacn— journalist, aidan magee. thank voa-nacn for— journalist, aidan magee. thank you much for joining journalist, aidan magee. thank you much forjoining us, you very much for joining us, kiian. — you very much for joining us, kiian. coop— you very much for joining us, aidan. good to— you very much for joining us, aidan. good to you . aidan. good to see you. ixcifing— aidan. good to see you. exciting. yes,- aidan. good to see you. exciting. yes, exactly. yeah it tasf—ipei just needs something. the neavvveignc— just needs something. the heavyweight needs heavyweight division needs something. are not something. right now, we are not seeing want seeing the fights that we want to tyson was meant to to see. tyson fury was meant to fight. didn't happen. fight. joshua didn't happen. tyson was meant to fight. tyson fury was meant to fight. oleksandr usyk, who pound for pound is probably the second best fighter the best heavyweight fighter in the world at the moment. who knows? he be the first, but he may even be the first, but it's happening. can see it's not happening. you can see a denominator it's a common denominator here. it's tyson who kind of waiting others who are kind of waiting to fight him, dillian whyte is not he lost not among them because he lost to year. but we're to him last year. but we're trying make now trying to make fights now are just that level. just beneath that top level. anthony plenty to anthony joshua has plenty to prove. to dillian prove. he lost to dillian whyte in amateurs back in the sort in the amateurs back in the sort of 2010s before he went on of late 2010s before he went on to achieve success. and

to achieve olympic success. and took revenge in 2015. as you mentioned, there in the link was at that fight at the o2. mentioned, there in the link was at that fight at the 02. but that was a very different dillian stopped in dillian whyte he was stopped in the was out of the seventh. he was out of shape. he gave joshua if he could run for money, could run for his money, considering boxed considering he had not boxed much the recent past, but at much in the recent past, but at that so seems like a that point so it seems like a decent up. it's people decent tear up. it's two people that of the boxing public that most of the boxing public or most fight fans and even those those people outside of the of the fight game have heard of. and we're looking at august the 12th initially dillian whyte wasn't he's wasn't happy with the terms he's now and thought now come back and thought actually we get actually i think we better get this the problem this on and this is the problem with it's the with boxing. it's the deliberation these fights. deliberation over these fights. it's giving. right? just giving. so giving, giving so giving. right. giving, giving rise amateur bouts, rise to these amateur bouts, these celebrity these kind of celebrity bouts because capturing because they're capturing the imagination filling vacuum imagination, filling the vacuum which left behind by which has been left behind by the these fights the absence of these big fights . guarantee . we could always guarantee there'd big boxing there'd be two really big boxing fights single year. and fights every single year. and for political reasons involving broadcasting we're broadcasting contracts. we're just not seeing them do well. hopefully will be a good hopefully this will be a good fning. — hopefully this will be a good rning. ixacfiv— hopefully this will be a good thing. exactly. now, you've vriffen— thing. exactly. now, you've written _ down i thing. exactly. now, you've- written _ down here. written a little note down here. it written a little note down here. if-voras.— written a little note down here. if-vvoris. ine- written a little note down here. it words, the second it says two words, the second

is— it says two words, the second ice— it says two words, the second one is rice. declan_ it says two words, the second one is rice. declan rice. what's nappeninge— one is rice. declan rice. what's nappeninge veii— one is rice. declan rice. what's happening? well look, i mean, we've seen we saw some movement iafer— we've seen we saw some movement iafer-vveek. — we've seen we saw some movement iafer-vveek. i— we've seen we saw some movement later-week. i mean,- we've seen we saw some movement later-week. i mean, we- later in the week. i mean, we saw late week we saw he saw late in the week we saw he lifted trophy with lifted the european trophy with west there in west ham. you were there in prague, you? and so prague, weren't you? and so west ham we go. he ham promising we could go. he relinquished £10 million in rate wages that most wages by not signing that most recent exchange recent contracts in exchange for seeing ham. seeing out his deal. west ham. he's come. come he's come. he's come. come through he's still got through on that he's still got some left so there's still some time left so there's still lots of value of value for lots of value lots of value for him market. ham be him in the market. west ham be very as you know, very clear, dawn, as you know, they £100 million they wanted £100 million and he's worth £100 he's every inch worth £100 million he's million to me. and he's especially million to especially worth £100 million to west whether that west ham. now, whether that was cash whether cash or a cash or whether it was cash or a reduced amount, less than 100 and a player, that's possible. arsenal keep going in and going out take this or will out. will you take this or will you this kind of deal, be you take this kind of deal, be front we play you front loaded? can we play you some of it and the some some part of it now and the rest year and the of rest next year and the rest of the kind of the never, never that kind of stuff. never. never but stuff. not the never. never but you what i mean. they're you know what i mean. they're deliberating. city deliberating. what did man city do when they win do when they're when they win the are the top the treble? what are the top sides do when they win? they strengthen sides do when they win? they strengkeegan back in 1976, kevin keegan back in 1976, 77, i think was a day when kenny

think it was a day when kenny dalglish, man united dalglish, when man united win the buy ruud the treble in 99, they buy ruud van nistelrooy, they strengthen when very top when they're at the very top and city won the treble want city having won the treble want to well? i think pep to do that as well? i think pep guardiola declan a guardiola sees in declan rice a player he can improve, he player who he can improve, he can to the ultimate, can bring him to the ultimate, ultimate can ultimate elite level. he can maybe dropping maybe even see him dropping back. first saw declan back. when i first saw declan rice west 2018 rice play for west ham in 2018 away chelsea, played as a away at chelsea, he played as a centre back. yeah. and what does pep guardiola players, pep guardiola do with players, with mascherano, with john stones has even him stones has even moved him further changes positions further up. he changes positions around further up. he changes positions arou with with declan rice. that with with declan rice. either way, he's got a choice to make. he go to arsenal and make. does he go to arsenal and become captain and a that's become captain and a side that's got going the got a club that's going in the right to be right direction? it has to be said. do you go a ready said. or do you go as a ready made trophy winner to manchester city what city and compliment? what they've done is a nice decision to i you're to have, but i guess you're still going to be sad to see him go. i really want him to stay. inank— go. i really want him to stay. inank-verv— go. i really want him to stay. thank-very much,- rgrt i really want him to stay. thank very much, aidan magee thank you very much, aidan magee inank—toiningl thank you very much for joining us thank you very much for joining as—ana- thank you very much for joining us_and writing. us this afternoon and writing piffie— us this afternoon and writing little—about- little love notes about declan kice. — little love notes about declan kice-voa-re— little love notes about declan rice. you're watching. rice. right. you're watching. dian-f— rice. right. you're watching. piin-f—pvl rice. right. you're watching. i piin-f—pv fne didn't put kisses on it, by the wav— didn't put kisses on it, by the nav voare— didn't put kisses on it, by the way. you're watching and iisfening— way. you're watching and. listening—thank way. you're watching and- listening_thank you listening to gb news. thank you for no.— listening to gb news. thank you for now. saturday— listening to gb news. thank you for now. saturday with me, dawn neesom.— for now. saturday with me, dawni neesom. lots more coming up on the neesom. lots more coming up on fne—paf- the show this afternoon. but first—

the show this afternoon. but firsf.-a— the show this afternoon. but firsf.-a iook- the show this afternoon. but first,-a look at- the show this afternoon. but. first,-a look at what first, let's take a look at what fnaf— first, let's take a look at what that weather's— first, let's take a look at what that weather's doing with ronafnan. — that weather's doing with jonathan. ”r“rtt jonathan. hello there. i'm jonathan. hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here your jonathan vautrey here with your latest forecast latest gb news weather forecast provided met office provided by the met office despite it has been despite the cloud, it has been a relatively settled start to the weekend for many of us. high pressure. that's keeping it fine is slowly losing its grip on the uk and increasingly this area of low pressure in the northwest will become more of a feature of our as we head into our weather as we head into sunday. so some outbreaks of rain parts the western rain for parts of the western isles throughout later on this evening . and then gradually as evening. and then gradually as we the early hours we head into the early hours of sunday start to sunday morning, we'll start to see that rain push its way into northern ireland. for of northern ireland. for many of us, there will be some us, though, there will be some late evening sunshine and clear intervals during the overnight period. to be a period. but it is going to be a warm and humid night for a lot of towns and cities of us. many towns and cities holding up around 18 c. so quite uncomfortable for sleeping. for many of us, a bright start to sunday for england , wales and sunday for england, wales and scotland, increasingly this scotland, but increasingly this rain going to start pushing rain is going to start pushing its the west, its way in from the west, providing some heavy outbreaks for then for northern ireland, then later into northern wales into scotland, northern wales and northern england. there is a

chance of some thunderstorms developing across eastern england into scotland as well england up into scotland as well . some . torrential downpours, some localised flooding is possible . localised flooding is possible. ahead of that, though, we hold to on the mild air in the south and really quite hot with highs of 30, 31 c over towards the west. we're starting to feed in some slightly fresher air as our winds shift direction to more of a westerly and that will push across rest of the uk as we across the rest of the uk as we head throughout sunday night. so sunday night not looking as humid for us humid and muggy for most of us and will a little bit more and it will be a little bit more comfortable you're heading and it will be a little bit more co bedtable you're heading and it will be a little bit more co bed .ible you're heading and it will be a little bit more co bed . it e you're heading and it will be a little bit more co bed . it will you're heading and it will be a little bit more co bed . it will a)u're heading and it will be a little bit more co bed . it will a brighteading to bed. it will be a bright start monday once that rain start to monday once that rain has cleared off very far north—west, scattering of showers developing across the northern but northern half of the uk. but some sunny intervals in between whilst it is turning fresher for all of us, we also open up the doors to further areas of low pressure. so as head towards pressure. so as we head towards tuesday wednesday, there'll tuesday and wednesday, there'll be longer spells be showers. some longer spells of rain as well. but those temperatures day temperatures at least by day will more towards the will be down more towards the mid or low 20s in a world of

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as they head to moscow. it's after yevgeny prigozhin claimed to have taken control of russia's southern military headquarters in rostov . he's headquarters in rostov. he's accused russia's military chiefs of attacking his forces and lying to justify the war in ukraine. the uk government is reportedly holding an emergency cobra meeting today to discuss the changing situation in russia. earlier russia's president putin attacked the leader of the mercenary group accuse him of treason and armed mutiny . accuse him of treason and armed mutiny. any accuse him of treason and armed mutiny . any internal accuse him of treason and armed mutiny. any internal turmoil is a nona— mutiny. any internal turmoil is a mortal threat— mutiny. any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to— “gr any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood.— a mortal threat to our statehood. to- a mortal threat to our statehood. to us, as a nation. inis— statehood. to us, as a nation. inis is— statehood. to us, as a nation. inis is a— statehood. to us, as a nation. this is a blow— statehood. to us, as a nation. this is a blow to— statehood. to us, as a nation. this is a blow to russia, to our peopie.— this is a blow to russia, to our peopie. oa— this is a blow to russia, to our people, our actions— this is a blow to russia, to our people, our actions to protect fne— people, our actions to protect the homeland— people, our actions to protect the homeland from such a threat viii— the homeland from such a threat viii pe— the homeland from such a threat viii pe parsn— the homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all— the homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those who deliberately— will be harsh. all those who deliberately took the path of pefravap— deliberately took the path of betrayal, who _ deliberately took the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed nafinv— betrayal, who prepared an armed nafinv. vno— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who took— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who took the path of piacknaii— mutiny, who took the path of blackmail and— mutiny, who took the path of blackmail and terrorist methods, will blackmail and terrorist methods, viii saffer— blackmail and terrorist methods, will suffer inevitable will suffer an inevitable punishment,— will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both to the punishment, will answer both to fne iavv— punishment, will answer both to fne iavv-fo— punishment, will answer both to the law-to our— punishment, will answer both to the law to our people . the law and to our people. irefeni— the law and to our people. defend editor— the law and to our people. defend editor for the evening oraniari— defend editor for the evening standard robert— defend editor for the evening standard robert fox says the

escaiafion— standard robert fox says the escalation in— standard robert fox says the escalation in tensions is a huge propien — escalation in tensions is a huge propien in— escalation in tensions is a huge propien in pis— escalation in tensions is a huge problem in his speech has nenfionei— problem in his speech has mentioned the— problem in his speech has mentioned the word mutiny, which is verv— mentioned the word mutiny, which is verv seioas— mentioned the word mutiny, which is very serious indeed and he nas— is very serious indeed and he nas aivavs— is very serious indeed and he has always said— is very serious indeed and he has always said the ukraine war or me— has always said the ukraine war or fne specia— has always said the ukraine war or the special military operafion— or the special military operation has been a problem pecaase— operation has been a problem because russia— operation has been a problem because russia is— operation has been a problem because russia is being attacked by because russia is being attacked pv paro— because russia is being attacked pv akio ani— because russia is being attacked pv axis and ifs— because russia is being attacked by nato and its allies, inciaiing— by nato and its allies, including the uk and the us. newf— including the uk and the us. new. pe— including the uk and the us. nov. to saving— including the uk and the us. now, he saying russian- including the uk and the us. now, he saying russian forces are being attacked by russian forces and this is a huge problem because this could be the inklings, the beginnings , the inklings, the beginnings, the inklings, the beginnings, the small details of certainly tensions , possibly local civil tensions, possibly local civil wars , a team of safety wars, a team of safety investigators are on board the main support ship of the titan submersible tourist vessel after it returned to the harbour following the deep sea vessels . following the deep sea vessels. fatal implosion flag was on poari.— fatal implosion flag was on poai. ine— fatal implosion flag was on board. the polar— fatal implosion flag was on board. the polar prince were at naif— board. the polar prince were at naif nasf— board. the polar prince were at naif nasf as— board. the polar prince were at half mast as it— board. the polar prince were at half mast as it arrived at the port— half mast as it arrived at the porf in— half mast as it arrived at the pon in san— half mast as it arrived at the port in saint johns harbour this morning. — port in saint johns harbour this morning. rive— port in saint johns harbour this morning. five people on board

the morning. five people on board fne iifan— morning. five people on board the titan were— morning. five people on board the titan were killed in the inciienf— the titan were killed in the incident near— the titan were killed in the incident near the wreckage of the incident near the wreckage of fne iifanic— incident near the wreckage of the titanic in— incident near the wreckage of the titanic in the— incident near the wreckage of the titanic in the north afianfic— the titanic in the north afianfic .— the titanic in the north atlantic . a— the titanic in the north atlantic . a safety investigation atlantic. a safety investigation info— atlantic. a safety investigation info fne— atlantic. a safety investigation into the implosion of the submersible— into the implosion of the submersible has been launched and if— submersible has been launched and if viii— submersible has been launched and it will focus— submersible has been launched and it will focus on the safety of-operafion— and it will focus on the safety of operation rather than of the operation rather than aefernining— of the operation rather than determining civil or criminal iiapiiifv— determining civil or criminal iiapiiifv .— determining civil or criminal liability . the— determining civil or criminal liability . the first minister of liability. the first minister of scofiani— liability. the first minister of scotland says— liability. the first minister of scotland says the next westminster- scotland says the next westminster election should be asep— westminster election should be asei as— westminster election should be asei as a— westminster election should be used as a manifesto for an inaepenienf— used as a manifesto for an independent scotland . speaking independent scotland. speaking at independent scotland. speaking af an— independent scotland. speaking a an sne— independent scotland. speaking at an snp independence convention— at an snp independence convention in— at an snp independence convention in dundee , humza convention in dundee, humza voasaf— convention in dundee, humza voasaf said— convention in dundee, humza yousaf said that— convention in dundee, humza yousaf said that the route to ocoffisn— yousaf said that the route to scottish independence is through the scottish independence is through fne iavfai— scottish independence is through the lawful and— scottish independence is through the lawful and democratic process— the lawful and democratic process . use— the lawful and democratic process . usf added that if the process. usf added that if the one— process. usf added that if the one ins— process. usf added that if the snp wins that— process. usf added that if the snp wins that election, it will seek— snp wins that election, it will seek negotiations with the uk covernnenf— seek negotiations with the uk government to _ seek negotiations with the uk government to give democratic effecf— government to give democratic effecf fo— government to give democratic effect to scotland _ government to give democratic effect to scotland becoming independent.— effect to scotland becoming independent. margaret mcdonough, papoar-s— independent. margaret mcdonough, papoar-sfirsf— independent. margaret mcdonough, labour's first female general secrefav— labour's first female general secrerarv. nas— labour's first female general secretary, has died at the age of or.— secretary, has died at the age of or. ine— secretary, has died at the age of 61. the politician sat in the noase— of 61. the politician sat in the noase of— of 61. the politician sat in the house of lords— of 61. the politician sat in the house of lords as— of 61. the politician sat in the house of lords as baroness iicironoagn— house of lords as baroness mcdonough and— house of lords as baroness mcdonough and has been described as an unstoppable— mcdonough and has been described as an unstoppable force of aaef— as an unstoppable force of aaef ana— as an unstoppable force of nature and a— as an unstoppable force of nature and a champion for women

. a profesf— nature and a champion for women . a profesf is— nature and a champion for women . a protest is being— nature and a champion for women . a protest is being held today oafsiie— . a protest is being held today outside parliament to step up demands— outside parliament to step up demands for— outside parliament to step up demands for the— outside parliament to step up demands for the release from prison— demands for the release from prison of— demands for the release from prison of wikileaks founder julian— prison of wikileaks founder julian assange. _ prison of wikileaks founder julian assange. assange faces exfraiifion— julian assange. assange faces extradition to— julian assange. assange faces extradition to the— julian assange. assange faces extradition to the united states . vnere— extradition to the united states . vvnere ne— extradition to the united states , where he could— extradition to the united states , where he could be imprisoned for me— , where he could be imprisoned for fne resf— , where he could be imprisoned for the rest of— , where he could be imprisoned for the rest of his— , where he could be imprisoned for the rest of his life. he's peen— for the rest of his life. he's peen nefa— for the rest of his life. he's been held in— for the rest of his life. he's been held in london's high secarifv— been held in london's high security belmarsh prison for fnan— security belmarsh prison for more than four— security belmarsh prison for more than four years as he fignfs— more than four years as he fights extradition, he faces cnarges— fights extradition, he faces charges over— fights extradition, he faces charges over the publication of ciassifiea— charges over the publication of classified documents relating to the afghanistan _ classified documents relating to the afghanistan and iraq wars . the afghanistan and iraq wars. a naror— the afghanistan and iraq wars. a rnaior wafer— the afghanistan and iraq wars. a major water company is blaming peopie— major water company is blaming more people working from home affer— more people working from home affer fne— more people working from home after the cowo— more people working from home after the covid pandemic for a nosepipe— after the covid pandemic for a new hosepipe ban. south east vvaerf— new hosepipe ban. south east vvaerf vnicn— new hosepipe ban. south east water, which supplies more than 2 water, which supplies more than e niiiion— water, which supplies more than 2 million homes— water, which supplies more than 2 million homes and businesses , 2 million homes and businesses, viii— 2 million homes and businesses, viii impose— 2 million homes and businesses, will impose the— 2 million homes and businesses, will impose the first hosepipe pan— will impose the first hosepipe pan of— will impose the first hosepipe pan of ne— will impose the first hosepipe ban of the summer from monday, affecfing— ban of the summer from monday, affecting households across kent and affecting households across kent anci oassex— affecting households across kent and sussex. the— affecting households across kent and sussex. the company's chief execive— and sussex. the company's chief executive also _ and sussex. the company's chief executive also blamed low rainfaii— executive also blamed low rainfall as— executive also blamed low rainfall as well— executive also blamed low rainfall as well as recent spell of nor— rainfall as well as recent spell of hot weather— rainfall as well as recent spell of hot weather leading to a spike— of hot weather leading to a spike in— of hot weather leading to a spike in demand for drinking

wafer— spike in demand for drinking vafer anci— spike in demand for drinking water and the— spike in demand for drinking water and the prime minister has paid— water and the prime minister has paid fripafe— water and the prime minister has paid fripafe fo— water and the prime minister has paid tribute to the— water and the prime minister has paid tribute to the phenomenal precision— paid tribute to the phenomenal precision ana— paid tribute to the phenomenal precision and professional vision— precision and professional vision of— precision and professional wisdom of british troops as evenfs— wisdom of british troops as events are being held across the uk events are being held across the iik fo— events are being held across the iik fo nak— events are being held across the uk to mark armed— events are being held across the uk to mark armed forces day . the uk to mark armed forces day. the king— uk to mark armed forces day. the king aiso— uk to mark armed forces day. the king aiso pairi— uk to mark armed forces day. the king also paid tribute in a signed— king also paid tribute in a signed letter— king also paid tribute in a signed letter thanking military personnei— signed letter thanking military personneifor— signed letter thanking military personnel for the immense and ieiicafe— personnel for the immense and dedicate cowo— personnel for the immense and dedicate covid contribution of the dedicate covid contribution of fne prifisn— dedicate covid contribution of the british military both at none— the british military both at none ani— the british military both at home and overseas. he drew on his home and overseas. he drew on nis on— home and overseas. he drew on nis fine— home and overseas. he drew on nis fine in— home and overseas. he drew on his own time in the— home and overseas. he drew on his own time in the military and said— his own time in the military and said ne— his own time in the military and said he recognised— his own time in the military and said he recognised the deep pricie— said he recognised the deep pride service— said he recognised the deep pride service personnel take in fneir— pride service personnel take in fneir iafv— pride service personnel take in fneir iafv .— pride service personnel take in their duty . parades pride service personnel take in their duty. parades and fly—past are their duty. parades and fly—past faking— their duty. parades and fly—past are taking place— their duty. parades and fly—past are taking place around the coanfrv— are taking place around the coanfrv fo— are taking place around the country to thank the military connanifv— country to thank the military community. people in manchester nave— community. people in manchester nave peen— community. people in manchester have been gathering for the even— have been gathering for the evenf . — have been gathering for the evenf . one— have been gathering for the event . one of— have been gathering for the event . iii3i“rt have been gathering for the event . “rgs have been gathering for the- event . one of these things that event. one of these things that should be recognised, the army should be recognised, the army should be recognised, the veterans should be recognised. there's know, you go to there's you know, you go to america in the record. i hear the of brushed under the sort of like brushed under the sort of like brushed under the carpet and it's all wrong. it's show my support for the veterans and— it's show my support for the veterans and injured veterans and the injured veterans and— veterans and the injured veterans and the injured veterans and the cadets who nopefaiiv— veterans and the cadets who nopefaiiv ani— veterans and the cadets who hopefully and they're our future all hopefully and they're our future aii peing— hopefully and they're our future aii peing veii— hopefully and they're our future all being well she— hopefully and they're our future all being well she respects like fnaf— all being well she respects like fnaf voa— all being well she respects like that you know— all being well she respects like that you know there's a lot of

coiieagaes— that you know there's a lot of coiieagaes in— that you know there's a lot of colleagues in that who aren't pere— colleagues in that who aren't nere foiav— colleagues in that who aren't here today who _ colleagues in that who aren't here today who would like to be neve.— here today who would like to be neve-for— here today who would like to be neve-for ine— here today who would like to be here.-for the guys- here today who would like to be here. for the guys are here. but for the guys who are serving— here. but for the guys who are serving no— here. but for the guys who are serving now and— here. but for the guys who are serving now and the girls, you know.— serving now and the girls, you know-vean.— serving now and the girls, you know-vean. ve— serving now and the girls, you know. yeah, we still need know. so, yeah, we still need oar—ani- know. so, yeah, we still need oar—ani tasfl know. so, yeah, we still need our_ and just be| our armed forces and just be pari— our armed forces and just be panlfnaf. — our armed forces and just be panlfnaf. voa— our armed forces and just be part that. you it's part of that. you know, it's proai— part of that. you know, it's we're proud of.— part of that. you know, it's we're proud of. this is gb news. vie-ii— we're proud of. this is gb news. vie-ii pring— we're proud of. this is gb news. vie-ii pring voa— we're proud of. this is gb news. we'll bring you more— we're proud of. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news- we're proud of. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to dawn . happens. now it's back to dawn. thank you very much, tatiana. and that was a very interesting news broadcast— and that was a very interesting news broadcast behind the scenes pere— news broadcast behind the scenes nere going— news broadcast behind the scenes nere going on— news broadcast behind the scenes nere going on in— news broadcast behind the scenes here going on in the studio . but here going on in the studio. but we won-f— here going on in the studio. but we wont sav— here going on in the studio. but we vvon-i sav anv— here going on in the studio. but we won't say any more about inas— we won't say any more about fnaf. vviii— we won't say any more about that, will we?— we won't say any more about that, will we? right. so let's get— that, will we? right. so let's gef srraignf— that, will we? right. so let's get straight into— that, will we? right. so let's get straight into today's news sfories. — get straight into today's news stories. russia's— get straight into today's news stories. russia's president is pieiging— stories. russia's president is pledging decisive actions as he ine— pledging decisive actions as he accuses the leader of the pagan— accuses the leader of the pargain .— accuses the leader of the bargain , mercenary group of bargain, mercenary group of reason— bargain, mercenary group of feason ani— bargain, mercenary group of treason and armed mutiny. viaiinir— treason and armed mutiny. vladimir putin— treason and armed mutiny. vladimir putin is calling the acfions— vladimir putin is calling the acfions of— vladimir putin is calling the actions of the— vladimir putin is calling the actions of the military group a sfap— actions of the military group a sfap in— actions of the military group a sfap in fie— actions of the military group a stab in the back— actions of the military group a stab in the back after its cpiep— stab in the back after its chief, yevgeny- stab in the back after its chief, yevgeny prigozhin, claims to chief, yevgeny prigozhin, claims fo nave— chief, yevgeny prigozhin, claims fo nave faken— chief, yevgeny prigozhin, claims to have taken control of passes— to have taken control of russia's southern military headquarters—

russia's southern military headquarters in rostov and vows to headquarters in rostov and vows fo go— headquarters in rostov and vows fo go on— headquarters in rostov and vows fo go on fo— headquarters in rostov and vows to go on to moscow. here is what iresiienf— to go on to moscow. here is what president putin— to go on to moscow. here is what president putin had— to go on to moscow. here is what president putin had to say this morning— president putin had to say this morning . — president putin had to say this morning . today,— president putin had to say this morning . t t president putin had to say this morning . morning. today, russia is fighting an extremely tough battle for its future and is repelling the aggression of the and their masters in fact, the entire military , economic and entire military, economic and information machine of the west is directed against us. we are fighting for the— is directed against us. we are fighting for the life- is directed against us. we are fighting for the life and- fighting for the life and secarifv— fighting for the life and security of _ fighting for the life and security of our people, for our sovereignfv— security of our people, for our sovereignty and— security of our people, for our sovereignty and independence , sovereignty and independence, and sovereignty and independence, ani for— sovereignty and independence, ani for ine— sovereignty and independence, and for the right— sovereignty and independence, and for the right to be and remain russia— and for the right to be and remain russia .— and for the right to be and remain russia . i repeat, any remain russia. i repeat, any inferna— remain russia. i repeat, any internal turmoil— remain russia. i repeat, any internal turmoil is a moral firear— internal turmoil is a moral fnreaf fo— internal turmoil is a moral threat to our— internal turmoil is a moral threat to our statehood. c.s threat to our statehood. to us as a naiion— threat to our statehood. to us as a nation, this— threat to our statehood. to us as a nation, this is— threat to our statehood. to us as a nation, this is a- threat to our statehood. to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our people. the actions we will take to protect our homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those who consciously chose the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed

mutiny, who chose the path of blackmail and terrorism , will blackmail and terrorism, will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both before the law and our people, the armed forces and our people, the armed forces and other government agencies have received the necessary orders and additional anti—terrorist measures are now being introduced in moscow. the moscow region and a number of other regions. moscow region and a number of other regions . a disturbing and other regions. a disturbing and a very, very fast moving news story. we'll bring you every peaking— story. we'll bring you every preaking iif— story. we'll bring you every breaking bit as— srtgr we'll bring you every breaking bit as we can. we're going— breaking bit as we can. we're going no— breaking bit as we can. we're going iive— breaking bit as we can. we're going now live to— breaking bit as we can. we're going now live to our reporter ineo— going now live to our reporter theo chikomba— going now live to our reporter theo chikomba ,_ going now live to our reporter theo chikomba , who is outside theo chikomba, who is outside the theo chikomba, who is outside fne kassian— theo chikomba, who is outside the russian embassy to get the verv— the russian embassy to get the verv iafesf. — the russian embassy to get the very latest. good— the russian embassy to get the very latest. good afternoon , very latest. good afternoon, ineo— very latest. good afternoon, ineo. can— very latest. good afternoon, ineo. can voa— very latest. good afternoon, theo. can you bring us up to iafe— theo. can you bring us up to iafe on— theo. can you bring us up to date on what— theo. can you bring us up to date on what is— theo. can you bring us up to date on what is happening ? well, date on what is happening? well, yes .— date on what is happening? well, ves . gooe— date on what is happening? well, yes , good afternoon. ”rt; yes, good afternoon. i'm sure virpin— yes, good afternoon. i'm sure within the russian embassy here in the central london that conversations are taking place about what's happening in russia in the last few hours. we do understand from eyewitnesses that russian military helicopters were firing artillery towards the rebel

group . in the last 24 hours, group. in the last 24 hours, it's been fast moving. we understand that the leader, prigozhin , who is the leader of prigozhin, who is the leader of this group, were in ukraine and they have accused the russian military of firing artillery at them and have begun to make their way into russia . and we their way into russia. and we understand they have claimed to two cities in the southern part of russia as they make their way toward the west. there are some questions, though, where president putin is there is there isn't a direct confirmed location at the moment. however, in the last hour or so, our understand german foreign minister has spoken to other foreign ministers who are part of the g7. and earlier today , of the g7. and earlier today, the prime minister, rishi sunak , has indicated that he will be speaking to allies as well as speaking to allies as well as speaking to allies as well as speaking to some of the members who are part of this as well, speaking to some of the members who are part of this as well , to who are part of this as well, to look at what's happening

ministry of defence as this goes on. they've already issued some intelligence of what's happening overin intelligence of what's happening over in russia . now, the russian over in russia. now, the russian military itself has said that this is something that they are accusing the wagner, a mercenary group of attempting a coup, which they have strongly denied , died. so it's fast moving and we'll keep you up to date as the hours go on as this group makes towards the west part of russia . that's thank you. that's theo cnikonpa— . that's thank you. that's theo chikomba outside— that's thank you. that's theo chikomba outside the russian enpassv— chikomba outside the russian enpassv for— chikomba outside the russian embassy for us— chikomba outside the russian embassy for us this afternoon on fnis— embassy for us this afternoon on no verv— embassy for us this afternoon on no verv fasf— embassy for us this afternoon on this very fast liver— embassy for us this afternoon on this very fast liver breaking sforv— this very fast liver breaking srorv. vow— this very fast liver breaking story. now joining me now is conservafive— story. now joining me now is conservative mp— story. now joining me now is conservative mp for the isle of vvignf— conservative mp for the isle of vvignf ani— conservative mp for the isle of wight and former— conservative mp for the isle of wight and former soldier bob seep.— wight and former soldier bob oeeiv. vno— wight and former soldier bob seely, who can— wight and former soldier bob seely, who can bring us some insignf— seely, who can bring us some insignf fron — seely, who can bring us some insight from the _ seely, who can bring us some insight from the political and the insight from the political and fne niiifarv— insight from the political and the military point of view on fnis— the military point of view on no one— the military point of view on this one. bob,— the military point of view on this one. bob, thank you very nacn— this one. bob, thank you very nacn for— this one. bob, thank you very much for joining— this one. bob, thank you very much forjoining us this much for joining us this afternoon— much for joining us this afternoon .— much for joining us this afternoon . what do you make of afternoon. what do you make of the developments— afternoon. what do you make of the developments we have seen

overnignf— the developments we have seen overnignf ani— the developments we have seen overnight and-this- overnight and indeed this affernoon— overnight and indeed this affernoon .— overnight and indeed this afternoon . on ct “ overnight and indeed this- afternoon . on good afternoon to afternoon. on good afternoon to viewers. they're pretty stunning and pretty remarkable. and probably fatal in the long term and maybe even in the short term for putin rather than predict, i think it's better if we ask questions. and the critical questions. and the critical question is, are there russian soldiers willing to fire on the wagner mercenary group run by yevgeny prigozhin ? if there yevgeny prigozhin? if there aren't, putin is finished . putin aren't, putin is finished. putin needs to find people who are willing to kill prigozhin or at least bring down an airstrike on him. otherwise, putin himself is finished and the fact that prigozhin has been able to walk into the southern military district hq in rostov on don is a very bad sign . have you been a very bad sign. have you been surprised that it seems to be so easy for them to literally walk into russian controlled areas and boast that they are planning to march on moscow, which is a thousand miles from where they currently are ? the advantage is currently are? the advantage is

ani i— currently are? the advantage is nearer and i think— currently are? the advantage is nearer and i think one- rt.c. ”rt;“c ”rtt7 the advantage is nearer and i think one of the reasons i'm guessing slightly neve.— reasons i'm guessing slightly nere. of— reasons i'm guessing slightly here, one of the— reasons i'm guessing slightly here, one of the reasons that i fnink— here, one of the reasons that i fnink fie— here, one of the reasons that i think the russians are hitting the think the russians are hitting fne faep— think the russians are hitting the fuel, the— think the russians are hitting the fuel, the official. so the fascia— the fuel, the official. so the russian military are hitting the fuel bases is to make sure that wagner find it difficult to get the to to moscow. so the fuel to get to moscow. so clearly, they're trying to restrict ability to restrict his ability to launch a coupin restrict his ability to launch a coup in the capital. this is an uprising. he to uprising. clearly, he wants to launch a coup, but that coup hasn't happened they hasn't yet happened because they can't moscow they're can't get to moscow or they're not yet. so i do think not in moscow yet. so i do think it is remarkable and it shows that actually, look, wagner is made up criminals and made up of criminals and ex—special forces. they used to killing people. some of them are pretty well trained. others are very badly trained, but are violent. so and because they took bakhmut quite recently in a high profile but fundamentally pointless battle, it did earn them credibility and a very high profile within the russian military blogger world, but also in the russian armed forces, especially because progression is such a high profile figure himself. so it may be that there aren't that many people willing to take him on. bob, you

acfaaiiv— to take him on. bob, you actually are— to take him on. bob, you actually are .— to take him on. bob, you actually are . you've- “ tr“ bob, you actually are . you've served in actually are. you've served in rag— actually are. you've served in irag .— actually are. you've served in iraq, afghanistan and libya. so vnar— iraq, afghanistan and libya. so vnar io— iraq, afghanistan and libya. so vnar io voa— iraq, afghanistan and libya. so what do you think of the niiifarv— what do you think of the military strategy behind what is nappening— military strategy behind what is nappening e— military strategy behind what is happening ? well, you've got happening? well, you've got a faiiare— happening? well, you've got a faiiare of— happening? well, you've got a failure of unity,— happening? well, you've got a failure of unity, unity of cornrnani— failure of unity, unity of command , which is pretty fatal . command, which is pretty fatal. inere-s— command, which is pretty fatal. inere-s ivo— command, which is pretty fatal. there's two things. _ command, which is pretty fatal. there's two things. firstly- there's two things. firstly you've got a failure of military command. so the fact that it's wagner and prigozhin can do their own thing within a war is potentially disastrous for a unified war effort because you're always going to be arguing resources and arguing over resources and logistics and because prigozhin is political figure, he's is a very political figure, he's going be using that to attack going to be using that to attack the senior , a senior the russian senior, a senior figures and the russian military defence. so been attacking defence. so he's been attacking the defence minister, shoygu and he has been attacking the chief of the russian general staff, valery gerasimov, and to be undermine earning unity of command when you're in a pretty desperate war is a very bad thing to do. the critical question, though, is to what extent this is going to undermine russian morale. it's not impossible that the collapse in political stability in russia

is going to have a massive effect on the willingness of russians to fight and die on the front lines. they feel no front lines. and if they feel no longer that there's any point in them being there and that the control breaking control over them is breaking down, look for russian down, look out for russian troops deserting in larger numbers . troops deserting in larger numbers. look out for russian troops, killing their own officers. look out for russian troops , surrendering in larger troops, surrendering in larger numbers. it's not impossible. this will lead to a collapse in either the southern or eastern fronts. and that probably is the most immediate thing that the ukrainians to be ukrainians are going to be thinking to what extent thinking about. to what extent their offensives are going to be so more or to what extent so much more or to what extent this will raise the morale of ukrainian soldiers what ukrainian soldiers and to what extent sink and extent this will sink and collapse. morale russian collapse. the morale of russian soldiers. back into soldiers. and if we're back into a war one type scenario a world war one type scenario where political collapse in russia heralds military collapse at line , that's a it's at the front line, that's a it's at the front line, that's a it's a massive talking of the political of things, we're political side of things, we're heanng political side of things, we're hearing sunak is hearing that rishi sunak is having meetings with these g7 counterparts. what does it mean poiificaiiv— counterparts. what does it mean poiificaiiv for— counterparts. what does it mean politically for the _ trtc. what does it mean politically for the united kingdom— politically for the united kingion .—

politically for the united kingdom . that russia is kingdom. that russia is iangeroas— kingdom. that russia is dangerous and unstable and aceai— dangerous and unstable and nuclear armed— dangerous and unstable and nuclear armed ? c t t nuclear armed? it all depends what happens in the war. is this going to, as i say, hold a russian collapse? i don't think there's going to be immediate external threat from russia because i think they're now too busy sorting out internal power . but clearly, we're going to want know happening. want to know what's happening. the is that i guess the question is that i guess that i think rishi is probably asking is what does this mean for control of russian nukes? probably we hope is probably nothing. we hope is putin likely to be ousted or is putin likely to be ousted or is putin going to be able to kill prigozhin if putin kills prigozhin if putin kills prigozhin wagner had done a finished because without prigozhin there is no wagner. so somebody has to kill prigozhin for putin because these two men cannot now survive. there's a small chance that they can patch things up. but realistically, considering the high profile speech made by putin, they're calling him now openly a traitor. the fsb, the russian security agency, bringing a case against him. fundamentally, one of them is going to end up in a bad situation, an either putin's

out or prigozhin is going to be killed and effectively won't even reached trial. but i mean, for putin, you're a dictator. what's your is openly what's your power is openly challenged. matter of challenged. it's a matter of time the russian time now before the russian regime , whether it's regime collapses, whether it's five five five days, five weeks or five months. putin is pretty much finished. bob seely, mp for the isle of wight , thank you so much isle of wight, thank you so much for joining us. a fascinating forjoining us. a fascinating insigni— forjoining us. a fascinating insight politically- “ “rg a fascinating insight politically and from a niiifarv— insight politically and from a niiifarv poinf— insight politically and from a military point of— insight politically and from a military point of view as well. all military point of view as well. aii-ioining— military point of view as well. all-joining me- military point of view as well. all joining me discuss all right. joining me to discuss fnis—ci- all right. joining me to discuss this—gb news. this now further is gb news senior political— this now further is gb news senior political commentator vigei— senior political commentator pigs-.— senior political commentator nigei-. agei- senior political commentator nigel . nigel, thank you nigel nelson. nigel, thank you for coming— nigel nelson. nigel, thank you for coming back.— nigel nelson. nigel, thank you for coming back. now nigel, siniia— for coming back. now nigel, similar question— for coming back. now nigel, similar question really what goes— similar question really what ioes fnis— similar question really what does this mean— similar question really what does this mean for, you know, neari— does this mean for, you know, we've heard that— does this mean for, you know, we've heard that rishi sunak is paving— we've heard that rishi sunak is having meetings— we've heard that rishi sunak is having meetings with the g7 coanferparfs— having meetings with the g7 coanrerpafs .— having meetings with the g7 counterparts . what does it mean counterparts. what does it mean for fie— counterparts. what does it mean for fne iik— counterparts. what does it mean for fne iik ani— counterparts. what does it mean for the uk and what what are we going— for the uk and what what are we doing politically— for the uk and what what are we doing politically about the sifaafion— doing politically about the situation ? _ doing politically about the situation ? itvirtcc c“rttrt rrtg. situation? well, there's very little we can do about the situation because it's so fast moving. we don't know what is going to happen next. i mean, i think i agree with bob that i don't think that the nuclear arms are at risk at the moment. i don't think we need to worry

about that. and the question then is really on on putin's future. now we haven't got to the stage yet of a military coup. what we've got is an insurgent . rc now, wagner are insurgent. rc now, wagner are powerful. they've got probably up to 25,000 troops. so not enough to actually take over russia. the real the real issue is going to be does this spark off something else? so, in other words, an awful lot of other people who who are not very happy with putin in positions of power, they start start mutinying taking over, trying to get rid of putin. we've got to then work out what we would do if putin weren't. and the answer is we have no quarrel with the russian people. our quarrel all along has been with putin. we've done business with russia before , certainly with gorbachev of bons , certainly with gorbachev of boris yeltsin as well. no reason why we couldn't do business with a russian leader again. we've got to remember in— a russian leader again. we've got to remember in this- got to remember in this sifaafion— got to remember in this situation, although zara aleena

on fie— situation, although zara aleena on the surface— situation, although zara aleena on the surface seem to be doing a goof— on the surface seem to be doing a gooi ining— on the surface seem to be doing a gooi ining for— on the surface seem to be doing a good thing for the ukrainian peopie.— a good thing for the ukrainian peopie. inevire — a good thing for the ukrainian people, they're actually people, they're not actually a caiiiv— people, they're not actually a caiiiv groap— people, they're not actually a caiiiv groap of— people, they're not actually a cuddly group of people themselves,— cuddly group of people themselves, they? they themselves, are they? they ion-f. — themselves, are they? they don't. they're— themselves, are they? they don't. they're very- themselves, are they? they don't. “rtg ”rt; rrtgr “rt.rt /rtc. don't. they're very nice. you wouldn't them around for wouldn't want them around for dinner or anything that. dinner or anything like that. no, indeed. nigel, thank you no, no, indeed. nigel, thank you verv—poiificai- no, no, indeed. nigel, thank you very-there-political- no, no, indeed. nigel, thank you very there afternoon insight there this afternoon rignf— insight there this afternoon rignf-nove- insight there this afternoon right-move on.- insight there this afternoon right move on. the right now, we move on. the governnenf— right now, we move on. the government considering government is considering a piocking— government is considering a piocking pav— government is considering a blocking pay rises of 6% for niiiions— blocking pay rises of 6% for millions of— blocking pay rises of 6% for millions of public sector workers, fearing that they could confripafe— workers, fearing that they could contribute to _ workers, fearing that they could contribute to inflation. the nine— contribute to inflation. the prime minister— contribute to inflation. the prime minister is willing to override— prime minister is willing to override independent pay review poiies— override independent pay review poiies if— override independent pay review bodies if deemed— override independent pay review bodies if deemed unaffordable. as if— bodies if deemed unaffordable. as if nav— bodies if deemed unaffordable. as if nav frigger— bodies if deemed unaffordable. as it may trigger a wage price spirai— as it may trigger a wage price spirai .— as it may trigger a wage price spirai . ani— as it may trigger a wage price spiral . and although mr sunak spiral. and although mr sunak has spiral. and although mr sunak nas pieigei— spiral. and although mr sunak nas pieigei fo— spiral. and although mr sunak has pledged to bring an end to sfrikes— has pledged to bring an end to strikes, there— has pledged to bring an end to strikes, there have— has pledged to bring an end to strikes, there have been persist in fie— strikes, there have been persist in fne papiic— strikes, there have been persist in the public sector over the pasf— in the public sector over the pasi vea. — in the public sector over the pasi vea. ne— in the public sector over the past year. he has- in the public sector over the past year. he has also confirmed his willingness— past year. he has also confirmed his willingness to— past year. he has also confirmed his willingness to take tough iecisions— his willingness to take tough decisions in— his willingness to take tough decisions in _to- his willingness to take tough decisions in to bring down decisions in order to bring down fnaf— decisions in order to bring down fnaf-fnaf— decisions in order to bring down fnaf-fnaf vve- decisions in order to bring down that-that we keep- that inflation that we keep faking— that inflation that we keep faking-vow.- that inflation that we keep talking now, joining me talking about. now, joining me is— talking about. now, joining me is-poiicv— talking about. now, joining me now is policy analyst dr. now is senior policy analyst dr. kagip— now is senior policy analyst dr. kagip issin— now is senior policy analyst dr. raqib essin and— now is senior policy analyst dr. raqib essin and author and broadcaster— raqib essin and author and broadcaster rebecca reeves. to faik— broadcaster rebecca reeves. to faik apoaf— broadcaster rebecca reeves. to talk about this— broadcaster rebecca reeves. to talk about this situation now , talk about this situation now, we're come to— talk about this situation now, we're come to you first, rookie . vvnaf— we're come to you first, rookie . vvnaf io— we're come to you first, rookie . vvnaf io voa— we're come to you first, rookie . what do you make of risks

risni-s— . what do you make of risks risni-s finn— . what do you make of risks rishi's firm stance that he is nor— rishi's firm stance that he is nor giving— rishi's firm stance that he is nor giving in— rishi's firm stance that he is not giving in he— rishi's firm stance that he is not giving in he is not giving in fo— not giving in he is not giving in fo fie— not giving in he is not giving in fo fne evo— not giving in he is not giving in to the 6% pay— not giving in he is not giving in to the 6% pay demand but that goes— in to the 6% pay demand but that does mean more— in to the 6% pay demand but that does mean more strikes . itvirtcc does mean more strikes. well, i fpink— does mean more strikes. well, i fpink fnaf— does mean more strikes. well, i think that the government has fundamentally mismatched the entire situation with the ongoing industrial strikes. i don't think they've necessarily adopted the most constructive approach to the negotiation ones enhen approach to the negotiation ones either. now, many people would be surprised to hear me say that. i think that racket traditionally are quite conservative minded. the reality is that i think that the government is moving into a direction they want to direction where they want to control inflation increasing control inflation by increasing unemployment, by control inflation by increasing unemployment , by actually unemployment, by actually heightening the level of anxiousness and insecurity within what i would consider to be an already frail economy . and be an already frail economy. and that's not my sort of brand of security oriented conservative ism at all. and i think that we've seen a government really almost forsake or sacrifice any talk of sort of positive supply

side reforms to the economy in vestments. and i think that that is almost a sort of defeatist approach to economic management that we're seeing from the conservative government. and i think that especially where we already see a cost of living crisis, where the number of communities across the country are incredibly vulnerable to it, i think that taking this kind of approach may actually backfire and increasing economic precariousness certainly won't be popular for the government . be popular for the government. rebecca thank you very much. rebecca, we bring you in this voa— rebecca, we bring you in this now. you know,— rebecca, we bring you in this now. you know, the government peiieve— now. you know, the government peiieve if— now. you know, the government believe if they— now. you know, the government believe if they do— now. you know, the government believe if they do cave to in fie— believe if they do cave to in fne vage— believe if they do cave to in the wage demands, which are 6.5, in some cases it— the wage demands, which are 6.5, in some cases it will— the wage demands, which are 6.5, in some cases it will cost in of is— in some cases it will cost in excess of £5 billion and calls fnaf— excess of £5 billion and calls that dreaded— excess of £5 billion and calls that dreaded more inflation. ian so that dreaded more inflation. ian so sareiv— that dreaded more inflation. ian so surely rishi _ that dreaded more inflation. ian so surely rishi is— that dreaded more inflation. ian so surely rishi is right. we can-f— so surely rishi is right. we can't afford— so surely rishi is right. we can't afford to— so surely rishi is right. we can't afford to do this . can't afford to do this. i think ine— can't afford to do this. i think the difficulty is, is that, you know, i'm not an economist and most people in this country aren't. people don't necessarily understand what inflation means in real terms. and also 5

billion is so big a number, it's basically impossible to grasp it. it's too big. what we do understand is that life is harder. people are working as harder. people are working as hard they ever did and hard as they ever did and getting it in real getting less for it in real terms. and i think it's unavoidable that people are going to feel incredibly fed up about these about that situation. and these are particularly you know, these are particularly you know, these are hard jobs. these are jobs that take out you that take it out of you physically. these are these are people who are putting in some cases, the line, cases, their life on the line, who work the entire who work through the entire pandemic the medical pandemic and the medical scenarios. can't really scenarios. and you can't really blame thinking on blame them for thinking why on earth to keep doing earth would want to keep doing the job less money and the same job for less money and don't if it means some don't care if it means that some nebulous economic concept is worse? because i'm not an economist. i just want my life to work better. rikki neave surely. imean, to work better. rikki neave surely. i mean, strikes are aivavs— surely. i mean, strikes are aivavs fie— surely. i mean, strikes are always the last— ”rtcg i mean, strikes are always the last resort, particularly- always the last resort, particularly in the nhs. so what effecf— particularly in the nhs. so what effecf io— particularly in the nhs. so what effecf io voa— particularly in the nhs. so what effect do you think sunak sfafenenf— effect do you think sunak statement is— effect do you think sunak statement is going to have on on fnose— statement is going to have on on those negotiations— statement is going to have on on those negotiations ? those negotiations? i think they will certainly won't have a positive impact on the

negotiations at all. i think i think that more generally when it comes to the government's management of the economy, it quite often within the conservative government there's been great complaints about the lack of productivity in the economy. but i'd like the government to explain how any of these policies these are rather its current approach to economic management is going to increase levels of productivity in the uk . so i think that what the government really suffers from, there's a great number of contradictions within its economic policy and i just i'm just really, if truth be told, i'm quite fed up with the government approach to economic management. i think that it's quite confrontational in terms of its approach to trade unions. i'd like to see something more of a sort of german, a sort of german style economy where you actually have a great deal of collaboration between government, business and trade unions. under its model of co—determined nation. and i

think that in the uk what we really suffer from is a confrontational and adversarial political and economic culture . political and economic culture. back to you. rebecca, i mean, you— back to you. rebecca, i mean, voa know.— back to you. rebecca, i mean, voa knovv. io— back to you. rebecca, i mean, voa know. do voa— back to you. rebecca, i mean, you know, do you think the unions are playing too hardball on fnise— unions are playing too hardball on fnise inev— unions are playing too hardball on this? they are— unions are playing too hardball on this? they are literally saving— on this? they are literally saving .— on this? they are literally saving . iook— on this? they are literally saying , look, this is where we saying, look, this is where we vve-re nor— saying, look, this is where we are. we're not going to budge fron— are. we're not going to budge fron fnis— are. we're not going to budge from no . — are. we're not going to budge from no . i— are. we're not going to budge from this . i don't- are. we're not going to budge from this. rtrt“ c are. we're not going to budge from this . rtrt“ c from this. i don't think they are playing to hardball because i think in a lot of cases, these are people who haven't had any meaningful pay rises for a very, very long time. um, and, and the only way to be taken seriously is to play hardball . nobody is to play hardball. nobody i know who works in any of these industries to go on industries wants to go on strike, particularly people working capacity. working in a medical capacity. you it's vocation you know, that's it's a vocation , it hurts them to do, , a job. it hurts them to do, you know, to put people's lives in danger by striking . you know, to put people's lives in danger by striking. but unfortunately, the government seems to have taken the view that they they sort of they almost want to do the margaret thatcher across unions thatcher across the unions thing, don't quite have thing, but they don't quite have the steel in their the actual like steel in their soul do it. so it just flip soul to do it. so it just flip flops back and forward. nobody really they are.

really knows where they are. nobody of feels safe nobody sort of feels safe or like getting anywhere. like we're getting anywhere. but, a lot to but, you know, it takes a lot to force medical people, particularly on strike. particularly to go on strike. there a reason they don't do there is a reason they don't do it easily. and i think that rishi the government rishi sunak and the government more be very more broadly should be very ashamed they've managed to ashamed that they've managed to be people be the people who force people who never strike to who basically never strike to want rikki neave we want to strike rikki neave we heard earlier on in the programme that when rishi sunak talks tough, i.e. with the small boat situation , with the brexit boat situation, with the brexit dealin boat situation, with the brexit deal in northern ireland, he does go up in the polls at the moment. they are trailing labour appaiiingiv— moment. they are trailing labour appaiiingiv. i— moment. they are trailing labour appallingly. i think— they are trailing labour appallingly. i think it's one of the appallingly. i think it's one of rne piggesf— appallingly. i think it's one of the biggest gaps, sort of like, you— the biggest gaps, sort of like, voa-in— the biggest gaps, sort of like, you-in recent- the biggest gaps, sort of like, you in recent times. do you know, in recent times. do voa— you know, in recent times. do voa fnink— you know, in recent times. do you think rishi— you know, in recent times. do you think rishi is— you know, in recent times. do you think rishi is hoping that fnis— you think rishi is hoping that fnis poiicv— you think rishi is hoping that fnis poiicv. ne— you think rishi is hoping that this policy, me saying i'm not going— this policy, me saying i'm not going negotiate,— this policy, me saying i'm not going negotiate, this is not going— going negotiate, this is not going fo— going negotiate, this is not going to happen? do think he going to happen? do you think he fninks— going to happen? do you think he rinks-inpacf— going to happen? do you think he thinks-impact his- going to happen? do you think he thinks impact his poll thinks this will impact his poll raring— thinks this will impact his poll raring for— thinks this will impact his poll rating for conservative voters ? rating for conservative voters? veii. — rating for conservative voters? veii. i— rating for conservative voters? veii. i fpink— rating for conservative voters? well, i think it— rating for conservative voters? well, i think it depends- rating for conservative voters? well, i think it depends on what kind of impact it'll have on the industrial strikes. for example, dawn , i don't think it'll have a dawn, i don't think it'll have a positive impact. i think that much of the public is of the view that the government hasn't managed those industrial

disputes particularly well . i disputes particularly well. i think that when it comes to the talking tough on such matters , i talking tough on such matters, i think it's worth noting that in the last general election the conservative vote share among pubuc conservative vote share among public sector workers trade unionists, traditional working class community has increased and of course there may well have been a brexit impact, brexit effect, especially in sort of labour's former post—industrial heartlands. but there was an opportunity to cultivate this, this sort of cross—class conservatism. and i think that the way that the direction of the government's economic policy means that i suspect that interesting voter coalition is going to disintegrate ahead of the next general election. that's great. inank— general election. that's great. inank voa. — general election. that's great. thank you. we've _ general election. that's great. thank you. we've run- rgrt t rt“ that's great. thank you. we've run out of fine. — thank you. we've run out of time. unfortunately, we could nave— time. unfortunately, we could nave carv— time. unfortunately, we could nave carrv on— time. unfortunately, we could have carry on talking about this propapiv— have carry on talking about this propapiv for— have carry on talking about this propapiv for as— have carry on talking about this probably for as long as the sfrikes— probably for as long as the strikes are— probably for as long as the strikes are going to go on. that isikagip— strikes are going to go on. that isikagip isson— strikes are going to go on. that is raqib esson policy is dr. raqib esson social policy anaivsf— is dr. raqib esson social policy anaivsf-ioveiv- is dr. raqib esson social policy analyst lovely rebecca analyst and the lovely rebecca reai— analyst and the lovely rebecca reai .— analyst and the lovely rebecca reai . an— analyst and the lovely rebecca read , an author.— analyst and the lovely rebecca read , an author. thank you very read, an author. thank you very nacn— read, an author. thank you very nacn for— read, an author. thank you very much for joining— read, an author. thank you very much forjoining us this much for joining us this afternoon— much for joining us this afternoon .— much for joining us this afternoon . now you're watching afternoon. now you're watching ani— afternoon. now you're watching ani iisfening— afternoon. now you're watching and listening to— afternoon. now you're watching and listening to gb news safariav— and listening to gb news saturday with— and listening to gb news saturday with me. dawn neesom.

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. ine— the changing situation in russia . ine eaiier— the changing situation in russia . the earlier russia's president rarin— . the earlier russia's president putin attacked— . the earlier russia's president putin attacked the leader of the nercenav groap.— putin attacked the leader of the mercenary group, accusing him of feason— mercenary group, accusing him of feason ani— mercenary group, accusing him of treason and armed— mercenary group, accusing him of treason and armed mutiny . treason and armed mutiny. snorin— treason and armed mutiny. snoofp anv— treason and armed mutiny. smooth any internal- treason and armed mutiny. smooth any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood. to us as a nation , this is a to us as a nation, this is a pion— to us as a nation, this is a piov fo— to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia,— to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our people, acfions— blow to russia, to our people, our actions to _ blow to russia, to our people, our actions to protect the noneiani— our actions to protect the homeland from such a threat will be homeland from such a threat will pe parsn— homeland from such a threat will pe parsn. aik— homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those— homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those who deliberately— be harsh. all those who deliberately took the path of pefravap— deliberately took the path of betrayal, who _ deliberately took the path of betrayal, who prepared armed betrayal, who prepared an armed nafinv— betrayal, who prepared an armed nafinv .— betrayal, who prepared an armed nafinv . vno— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny , who took— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny , who took the path of mutiny, who took the path of piacknaii— mutiny, who took the path of blackmail terrorist methods, blackmail and terrorist methods, will blackmail and terrorist methods, viii-an— blackmail and terrorist methods, will-an inevitable- will suffer an inevitable punishment,— will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both to the punishment, will answer both to fne iavv— punishment, will answer both to fne iav ani— punishment, will answer both to fne iav ani fo— punishment, will answer both to the law and to our— punishment, will answer both to the law and to our people . . . the law and to our people. lviv . ine— the law and to our people. lviv . ine nine— the law and to our people. lviv . the prime minister- the law and to our people. . . the prime minister has paid . the prime minister has paid fripafe— . the prime minister has paid fripafe fo— . the prime minister has paid tribute to the— the prime minister has paid tribute to the phenomenal precision— tribute to the phenomenal precision and— tribute to the phenomenal precision and professionalism of irifisn— precision and professionalism of prifisn froops— precision and professionalism of british troops as— precision and professionalism of british troops as events are peii— british troops as events are neii acoss— british troops as events are held across the _ british troops as events are held across the uk to mark armed forces— held across the uk to mark armed forces pav— held across the uk to mark armed forces irav. ine— held across the uk to mark armed forces day. the king— held across the uk to mark armed forces day. the king also paid fripafe— forces day. the king also paid fripafe in— forces day. the king also paid fripafe in a— forces day. the king also paid tribute in a signed letter fnanking— tribute in a signed letter thanking military personnel for the thanking military personnel for fne innense— thanking military personnel for the immense and— thanking military personnel for the immense and dedicated contribution— the immense and dedicated contribution of— the immense and dedicated contribution of the british niiifarv.— contribution of the british military, both _ contribution of the british military, both at home and overseas. parades and flypasts are overseas. parades and flypasts faking— overseas. parades and flypasts are taking place— overseas. parades and flypasts are taking place around the coanfrv— are taking place around the coanfrv foiav— are taking place around the country today to thank the

niiifarv— country today to thank the niiifarv .— country today to thank the military . community and a team military. community and a team of safefv— military. community and a team of safety investigators are on poari.— of safety investigators are on poai. ine— of safety investigators are on board. the main— of safety investigators are on board. the main support ship of the board. the main support ship of fne iifans— board. the main support ship of the titans submerged cable after it the titans submerged cable after if refarnei— the titans submerged cable after if refarnei fo— the titans submerged cable after it returned to the— the titans submerged cable after it returned to the harbour foiiovving— it returned to the harbour following the _ it returned to the harbour following the deep sea vessel's fafai— following the deep sea vessel's fatal implosion— following the deep sea vessel's fatal implosion .— following the deep sea vessel's fatal implosion . flags on board fatal implosion. flags on board the fatal implosion. flags on board fne poiar— fatal implosion. flags on board the polar prince— fatal implosion. flags on board the polar prince were at half nasf— the polar prince were at half nasf as— the polar prince were at half nasf as if— the polar prince were at half mast as it arrived at the port in san— mast as it arrived at the port in saint john's— mast as it arrived at the port in saint john's harbour this morning.— in saint john's harbour this morning. five— in saint john's harbour this morning. five people on board the morning. five people on board fne iifan— morning. five people on board the titan were— morning. five people on board the titan were killed in the inciienf— the titan were killed in the incident near— the titan were killed in the incident near the wreckage of the incident near the wreckage of fne iifanic. — incident near the wreckage of the titanic. the— incident near the wreckage of the titanic. the investigation info— the titanic. the investigation info fie— the titanic. the investigation into the implosion of the submersible— into the implosion of the submersible will focus on the safefv— submersible will focus on the safefv of— submersible will focus on the safefv of fne — submersible will focus on the safety of the operation rather inan— safety of the operation rather than determining civil or crininai— than determining civil or criminal liability . you can get criminal liability. you can get on aki— criminal liability. you can get more on all of— criminal liability. you can get more on all of those stories by visifing— more on all of those stories by visifing oa— more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com nov— visiting our website, gbnews.com now is— visiting our website, gbnews.com now to pack— visiting our website, gbnews.com now it's back to— visiting our website, gbnews.com now it's back to dawn . now it's back to dawn. ivieiconre— now it's back to dawn. iwelcome back- now it's back to dawn. l welcome back to . now it's back to dawn. welcome back to gb news and thank you tatiana.

thank you very much, tatiana. i'm dawn neesom and i'm on your tv online on digital radio. tv online and on digital radio. now, week we of course, now, this week we of course, reported on the incredibly sad deaths of the five crew members aboard a tourist submarine on the president of the titanic international society has said it's international society has said wsfime international society has said it's time to consider banning people from visiting the wreck of that ship. joining me now is journalist and authorjulie journalist and author julie cook. and julie , thank you very cook. and julie, thank you very much for joining cook. and julie, thank you very much forjoining me this much for joining me this afternoon. now, i read your piece during the week, a very emotional piece . what the emotional piece. what the backstory of this you lost your great grandfather, wasn't it? actually on the titanic? and you were asked to take part in a documentary that involved going down in a submarine . so can you down in a submarine. so can you just tell me a little bit about what this week has meant for you and made you feel ? hi and how it's made you feel? hi dawn. yeah, this this week has peen— dawn. yeah, this this week has been absolutely— dawn. yeah, this this week has been absolutely a— i yeah, this this week has been absolutely a whirlwind of enofions— been absolutely a whirlwind of enofions as— been absolutely a whirlwind of emotions, as you _ been absolutely a whirlwind of emotions, as you can imagine . as emotions, as you can imagine. as voa— emotions, as you can imagine. as voa rigniiv— emotions, as you can imagine. as voa rigniiv sai— emotions, as you can imagine. as voa rigniiv saii. i— emotions, as you can imagine. as you rightly said, i was offered the you rightly said, i was offered fne cannce— you rightly said, i was offered the chance to— you rightly said, i was offered the chance to go— you rightly said, i was offered the chance to go on this very

sap— the chance to go on this very sub merciful— the chance to go on this very sub merciful two— the chance to go on this very sub merciful two years ago in ees.— sub merciful two years ago in eoei. nv— sub merciful two years ago in eoei. nv grea— sub merciful two years ago in 2021, my great grandpa died on the 2021, my great grandpa died on fne iifanic. — 2021, my great grandpa died on the titanic. he— 2021, my great grandpa died on the titanic. he was a stoker and i the titanic. he was a stoker and i was— the titanic. he was a stoker and i offerei— the titanic. he was a stoker and i was offered the— the titanic. he was a stoker and i was offered the chance by an american— i was offered the chance by an american television company to do a— american television company to do a documentary— american television company to do a documentary going down on the do a documentary going down on fne iive— do a documentary going down on fne pive vifn— do a documentary going down on the dive with a— do a documentary going down on the dive with a presenter from america— the dive with a presenter from america ani— the dive with a presenter from america and to— the dive with a presenter from america and to sort of talk apoaf— america and to sort of talk apoaf nv— america and to sort of talk about my family link and that iiin-f— about my family link and that iiin-f nappen— about my family link and that didn't happen for various reasons. and— didn't happen for various reasons. and of course, this week— reasons. and of course, this week iive— reasons. and of course, this week i've been— reasons. and of course, this week i've been feeling incredibly— week i've been feeling incredibly relieved. i didn't go iackv— incredibly relieved. i didn't go iackv. iaf— incredibly relieved. i didn't go lucky, but also— incredibly relieved. i didn't go lucky, but also so— incredibly relieved. i didn't go lucky, but also so , so worried lucky, but also so, so worried apoaf— lucky, but also so, so worried apoaf ine— lucky, but also so, so worried about the people— lucky, but also so, so worried about the people on board. and fien— about the people on board. and fnen so— about the people on board. and then so devastated to hear that fnev— then so devastated to hear that fnev iosf— then so devastated to hear that they lost their— then so devastated to hear that they lost their lives . what what they lost their lives. what what do voa — they lost their lives. what what do voa i— they lost their lives. what what do voa i nean— they lost their lives. what what do you i mean, your great grandfather— do you i mean, your great grandfather was a stoker on poari— grandfather was a stoker on poari fie— grandfather was a stoker on board the titanic, wasn't he? ani— board the titanic, wasn't he? ana iive— board the titanic, wasn't he? and he reai— board the titanic, wasn't he? and i've read some- board the titanic, wasn't he? and i've read some of- board the titanic, wasn't he? and i've read some of your book as well . and william beth mead as well. and william beth mead was your great granddad's name. and you've written quite movingly about the crew and their families. and obviously 1005 other souls lost their lives on that ship. and the one particular passage, if you don't mind reading it out, julie, it's like, you know, discovered

researching your book that when a bell boy aged just 16, tried to clamber into a lifeboat, he was told to be a man and stay on board. he was just a year older than your own son and had no choice but to perish alongside the others. so it's a very emotional moment for you . so do emotional moment for you. so do you do you agree now that obviously this is this very recent tragic event, that this should be it? no more, no more going down to the titanic, no more exploration ? yes i do think more exploration? yes i do think this is the ultimate warning message. notice, if ever was neeiei— message. notice, if ever was neeiei. fnaf— g notice, if ever was needed, that enough is enough . needed, that enough is enough. now— needed, that enough is enough. nov. peopie— needed, that enough is enough. now, people have— needed, that enough is enough. now, people have been obsessed viri— now, people have been obsessed vvifn ine— now, people have been obsessed with the titanic— now, people have been obsessed with the titanic for— now, people have been obsessed with the titanic for many, many vears— with the titanic for many, many vears ani— with the titanic for many, many years and always— with the titanic for many, many years and always will be, i'm iaf— years and always will be, i'm iaf i— years and always will be, i'm sure. but i think— years and always will be, i'm sure. but i think it is a place of res— sure. but i think it is a place of resf for— sure. but i think it is a place of rest for 1500— sure. but i think it is a place of rest for 1500 people who died verv.— of rest for 1500 people who died verv. verv— of rest for 1500 people who died very, very tragically and ierrifving— very, very tragically and terrifying, awful situation, nanv— terrifying, awful situation, nanv of— terrifying, awful situation, many of whom were young, as you rignfiv— many of whom were young, as you rigniiv said.— many of whom were young, as you rightly said, women— many of whom were young, as you rightly said, women ,_ many of whom were young, as you rightly said, women , children, rightly said, women, children, papies— rightly said, women, children, babies, elderly— rightly said, women, children, babies, elderly .— rightly said, women, children, babies, elderly . it didn't babies, elderly. it didn't naffer. — babies, elderly. it didn't matter. and— babies, elderly. it didn't matter. and i- babies, elderly. it didn't matter. and i think it's a place

fnaf— matter. and i think it's a place fnaf noiis— matter. and i think it's a place that holds great— matter. and i think it's a place that holds great reverence for iofs— that holds great reverence for iofs of— that holds great reverence for lots of descendants like me who tasf— lots of descendants like me who tasf feei— lots of descendants like me who as feei no— lots of descendants like me who just feel now titanic tourism isn-f— just feel now titanic tourism isn-f reaiiv— just feel now titanic tourism isn't really appropriate. and fnis— isn't really appropriate. and no nas— isn't really appropriate. and this has shown— isn't really appropriate. and this has shown it's also very iangeroas— this has shown it's also very dangerous. so— this has shown it's also very dangerous. so i— this has shown it's also very dangerous. so i think yeah, i fnink— dangerous. so i think yeah, i fnink i— dangerous. so i think yeah, i fnink i agree— dangerous. so i think yeah, i think i agree with you. i think in nv— think i agree with you. i think in nv opinion.— think i agree with you. i think in my opinion, it— think i agree with you. i think in my opinion, it is time to sfop— in my opinion, it is time to sfop no.— in my opinion, it is time to stop now. what— in my opinion, it is time to stop now. what about scientific frips— stop now. what about scientific frips iovvn— stop now. what about scientific trips down there— stop now. what about scientific trips down there for scientific expiorafion — trips down there for scientific exploration ? _ trips down there for scientific exploration ? i— trips down there for scientific exploration ? t“ trips down there for scientific exploration ? exploration? i mean, james cameron famously directed the movie titanic , responsible for a movie titanic, responsible for a you know, the content doing obsession we have with this particular shipwreck. what do you think two people going down there for scientific exploration? do you think that's still okay? i think i think it is. but it's still we're always going— is. but it's still we're always going fo— is. but it's still we're always going ro nave— is. but it's still we're always going to have the— but it's still we're always going to have the safety worry affer— going to have the safety worry affer fnis. — going to have the safety worry affer as i— going to have the safety worry after this. i don't— going to have the safety worry after this. i don't think safety viii— after this. i don't think safety viii ever— after this. i don't think safety viii pe— after this. i don't think safety will ever be the— after this. i don't think safety will ever be the same again. sonefning— will ever be the same again. something massive has to change. i something massive has to change. ifnink— something massive has to change. ifnink fie— something massive has to change. i think the rovs_ something massive has to change. i think the rovs going down, you know.— i think the rovs going down, you know. fie— i think the rovs going down, you know, the submersibles that aenf— know, the submersibles that aren't manned— know, the submersibles that aren't manned ,_ know, the submersibles that aren't manned , fair enough. they aren't manned, fair enough. they can aren't manned, fair enough. they garner— aren't manned, fair enough. they gainer fie— aren't manned, fair enough. they can gather the research . they can gather the research. they gef— can gather the research. they gef inagerv— can gather the research. they can get imagery up to the top . can get imagery up to the top. they— can get imagery up to the top. inev can— can get imagery up to the top. inev iook— can get imagery up to the top. they can look at— can get imagery up to the top. they can look at the erosion or fie—

they can look at the erosion or fne iecav— they can look at the erosion or fne iecav or— they can look at the erosion or the decay or what's going on iovn— the decay or what's going on iovn fnere. — the decay or what's going on down there. i— the decay or what's going on down there. i don't think it's necessary people risk necessary for people to risk fneir— necessary for people to risk fneir iives— necessary for people to risk their lives. go _ necessary for people to risk their lives go down. and their lives to go down. and frankiv— their lives to go down. and frankivli— their lives to go down. and frankly,.| have- their lives to go down. and frankly, i have said this frankly, as i have said this week— frankly, as i have said this week ani— frankly, as i have said this week ani i— frankly, as i have said this week and i mean, no disrespect to week and i mean, no disrespect fo fnose— week and i mean, no disrespect to those who've— week and i mean, no disrespect to those who've lost their iives. — to those who've lost their lives, - brave i to those who've lost their- lives, - brave explorers to those who've lost their- liverthey - brave explorers to those who've lost their liverthey should brave explorers to those who've lost their liverthey should not 'e explorers to those who've lost their liverthey should not haverlorers to those who've lost their liverthey should not have lost's and they should not have lost fneir— and they should not have lost fneir iives.— and they should not have lost their lives. but— and they should not have lost their lives. but i— and they should not have lost their lives. but i think people going— their lives. but i think people going fo— their lives. but i think people going to .titanic,- their lives. but i think people going to titanic, just going to the titanic, it's just ficking— going to the titanic, it's just ticking something on list. ticking off something on a list. it's ticking off something on a list. iris-fie— ticking off something on a list. it's-the titanic- ticking off something on a list. it's the titanic that it's i've seen the titanic that is an— it's i've seen the titanic that is an exploration— it's i've seen the titanic that is an exploration of a scientific— is an exploration of a scientific nature that's i've fie— scientific nature that's i've seen the titanic- scientific nature that's i've seen the titanic and by doing fiat— seen the titanic and by doing fnaf. fnese— seen the titanic and by doing that, these poor— seen the titanic and by doing that, these poor people have iosf— that, these poor people have iosf fneir— that, these poor people have lost their lives— that, these poor people have lost their lives because of all fne— lost their lives because of all fne ofner— lost their lives because of all the other problems that we need to the other problems that we need fo iook— the other problems that we need fo iook info— the other problems that we need to look into now,— the other problems that we need to look into now, safety, the design— to look into now, safety, the iesign of— to look into now, safety, the design of the— to look into now, safety, the design of the submersible, all fnaf— design of the submersible, all ma fnaf-s— design of the submersible, all that that's being _ design of the submersible, all that that's being bandied about . iaf— that that's being bandied about . par vean.— that that's being bandied about now. but yeah, i— that that's being bandied about now. but yeah, i think enough's enoagn— now. but yeah, i think enough's enoagn for— now. but yeah, i think enough's enough for people— now. but yeah, i think enough's enough for people going down inere— enough for people going down there. certainly— enough for people going down there. certainly _ enough for people going down there. certainly ' “rt enough for people going down there. certainly ' t there. certainly and just just briefly, julie, when you said you were offered the opportunity to go down for that documentary, it never happened because of the pandemic. et cetera. et cetera. but you were you were you had a description of what conditions would like the submarine. would be like in the submarine. you were going to go could you were going to go down. could you tell briefly what how you tell us briefly what how that described to you ? that was described to you? yeah. it was a six point

yeah. so it was a six point sonefning— yeah. so it was a six point something metre . by 2.7m. um, something metre. by 2.7m. um, finv— something metre. by 2.7m. um, finv .— something metre. by 2.7m. um, finv . verv— something metre. by 2.7m. um, finv . verv oak— something metre. by 2.7m. um, tiny , very dark area . there tiny, very dark area. there vvoaii— tiny, very dark area. there voaii pe— tiny, very dark area. there would be five— tiny, very dark area. there would be five people in. so one piiof— would be five people in. so one piiof ani— would be five people in. so one piiof ani foar— would be five people in. so one pilot and four guests. so i voaii— pilot and four guests. so i would have— pilot and four guests. so i would have been one of them. inere— would have been one of them. inere vas— would have been one of them. there was one— would have been one of them. there was one small porthole fnaf— there was one small porthole fnaf voa— there was one small porthole that you could— there was one small porthole that you could look out to see fne— that you could look out to see fne iifanic— that you could look out to see the titanic, but— that you could look out to see the titanic, but not all of you coaii— the titanic, but not all of you coaii iook— the titanic, but not all of you could look at— the titanic, but not all of you could look at once. only one coaii— could look at once. only one coaii iook— could look at once. only one could look at— could look at once. only one could look at once. only one could look at once and dawn. fnis— could look at once and dawn. inis soaps— could look at once and dawn. this sounds ridiculous, but my cnan— this sounds ridiculous, but my main concern then was about the piper— main concern then was about the toilet because— main concern then was about the toilet because .was_ main concern then was about the toilet because was a two hour toilet because it was a two hour frip— toilet because it was a two hour frip iovn.— toilet because it was a two hour trip down, lthree _ toilet because it was a two hour trip down, three hour trip trip down, a three hour trip aiong— trip down, a three hour trip aiong ani— trip down, a three hour trip along and then— trip down, a three hour trip along and then a two hour trip pack.— along and then a two hour trip pack-if— along and then a two hour trip back..it would— along and then a two hour trip back. it would have been 7 or back. so it would have been 7 or 8 back. so it would have been 7 or s-fofai.— back. so it would have been 7 or s-fofai. ani— back. so it would have been 7 or s-fofai. ani i- back. so it would have been 7 or 8-total. and i was- 8 hours in total. and i was fiinking— 8 hours in total. and i was thinking, well,— 8 hours in total. and i was thinking, well, you know, i'm propapiv— thinking, well, you know, i'm propapiv-pe- thinking, well, you know, i'm probably-be the- thinking, well, you know, i'm probably be the only probably going to be the only woman-fnis— probably going to be the only woman this particular woman on this particular roarnev.— woman on this particular. ioarnev—going woman on this particular- ioarnev—going fo journey. it was it was going to be journey. it was it was going to pelioai— journey. it was it was going to pelioai of— journey. it was it was going to belload of men.— journey. it was it was going to be load of men. and i was be a load of men. and i was fiinking— be a load of men. and i was thinking, how— be a load of men. and i was thinking, how am- be a load of men. and i was thinking, how am i going to go to thinking, how am i going to go fo fne— thinking, how am i going to go fo fne foiief— thinking, how am i going to go to the toilet for— thinking, how am i going to go to the toilet for that long? fnaf— to the toilet for that long? inaf vas— to the toilet for that long? inaf nv— to the toilet for that long? that was my main concern. and i feei— that was my main concern. and i feel incredibly— that was my main concern. and i feel incredibly naive— that was my main concern. and i feel incredibly naive now to pink— feel incredibly naive now to fink-vas— feel incredibly naive now to think-was my- feel incredibly naive now to- think-was my-worry. think that was my biggest worry. iooking— think that was my biggest worry. iooking -knov. - think that was my biggest worry. looking-know, i- think that was my biggest worry. looking know, i should looking back, you know, i should nave—aki- looking back, you know, i should have _all these| have been looking into all these safefv—fne— have been looking into all these safety _the trouble i safety things, but the trouble is-peopie— safety things, but the trouble is-peopie are- is when people are very confident— is when people are very confident they're experts confident and they're experts ani— confident and they're experts ani fnev— confident and they're experts and they have— confident and they're experts and they have _of - confident and they're experts and they have of bravado and they have a lot of bravado apoaf— and they have a lot of bravado apoaf vnar— and they have a lot of bravado about what they're doing and

fnei— about what they're doing and fnei-iooks- about what they're doing and their looks polished their website looks polished and fnev— their website looks polished and they-experience,- they have experience, which fnese— they have experience, which fnese en— they have experience, which these men - have - they have experience, which these men have experience, these men did have experience, but these men did have experience, par—fairn- these men did have experience, par—fain in- these men did have experience, but—faith in them.| but you put your faith in them. ani— but you put your faith in them. ana—fvice- but you put your faith in them. and—twice abouti and i didn't think twice about safefv.— and i didn't think twice about safefv-i— and i didn't think twice about safefv-i feif— and i didn't think twice about safety. i felt worried safety. yes, i felt worried apoaf— safety. yes, i felt worried about claustrophobia or needing the about claustrophobia or needing fie-or— about claustrophobia or needing fie-or feeiing— about claustrophobia or needing the-or feeling ,_ about claustrophobia or needing the or feeling , you know, the loo or feeling, you know, pernaps— the loo or feeling, you know, pernaps-fine— the loo or feeling, you know, perhaps-timelgo- the loo or feeling, you know, perhaps time go back up. perhaps it's time to go back up. iaf— perhaps it's time to go back up. par-crosses— perhaps it's time to go back up. but-crossed my- perhaps it's time to go back up. but crossed my mind. but it never crossed my mind. sonefning— something like this could nappen. — something like this could happen. absolutely . ' “rt something like this could- happen.-absolutely . and the happen. no, absolutely. and the practicalities— happen. no, absolutely. and the practicalities of it would have beenin practicalities of it would have been in my well before this happened. it was just horrific. thatis happened. it was just horrific. that is a julie cook. julie, thank you so much for joining that is a julie cook. julie, thank you so much forjoining us today. and really enjoyed today. and i really enjoyed reading your thoughts on reading your your thoughts on the titanic. thank you so much . the titanic. thank you so much. and now we move on. do you know if your kids are short? i'm not making this up, honestly. it's the government's fault. at least that's what one report has claimed . and a study has found claimed. and a study has found that children raised under uk austerity are shorter than their european counterparts. thanks to a poor national diet and cuts to the nhs joint. a poor national diet and cuts to the nhs joint . joining me now to the nhs joint. joining me now to discuss this finding is gp and chair of the coventry local

medical committee, dr. gavin shields . dr. shields, thank you shields. dr. shields, thank you very much for joining shields. dr. shields, thank you very much forjoining me shields. dr. shields, thank you very much for joining me this afternoon. so what's what's this study actually saying? can you explain a little bit more about what's going on here? well, explain a little bit more about what's going on here? well , this what's going on here? well, this is a really important— what's going on here? well, this is a really important and- is a really important and interesting— is a really important and interesting study and story, isn-f— interesting study and story, pm if— interesting study and story, pm if e— interesting study and story, pm if e i— interesting study and story, isn't it ? i mean, it's isn't it? i mean, it's frustrating- isn't it? i mean, it's frustrating and it's depressing as veii.— frustrating and it's depressing as veii. iaf— frustrating and it's depressing as veii. iaf i— frustrating and it's depressing as well. but i would have to say fnaf— as well. but i would have to say fnaf if— as well. but i would have to say that it doesn't— as well. but i would have to say that it doesn't come— as well. but i would have to say that it doesn't come as a conpiefe— that it doesn't come as a complete surprise to anyone vno-s— complete surprise to anyone vno-s working— complete surprise to anyone who's working directly with pafienfs— who's working directly with paiienfs in— who's working directly with patients in the— who's working directly with patients in the nhs, as i'm sure it patients in the nhs, as i'm sure if voaiin-f— patients in the nhs, as i'm sure if voaiin-f pe— patients in the nhs, as i'm sure it wouldn't be to— patients in the nhs, as i'm sure it wouldn't be to colleagues in eiacafion— it wouldn't be to colleagues in education and— it wouldn't be to colleagues in education and social care and cniiiren-s— education and social care and children's services, because we've been seeing the changes in neaifn— we've been seeing the changes in health because— we've been seeing the changes in health because of— we've been seeing the changes in health because of financial pressures and— health because of financial pressures and stresses put on faniiies— pressures and stresses put on families emerged really over the iasf— families emerged really over the iasf iecaie— families emerged really over the iasf iecaie .— families emerged really over the last decade . i— families emerged really over the last decade . i mean, this is last decade. i mean, this is a sfaiv— last decade. i mean, this is a sfaiv fnaf— last decade. i mean, this is a study that that— last decade. i mean, this is a study that that shows that that cniiiren— study that that shows that that cniiiren in— study that that shows that that children in the— study that that shows that that children in the uk have slipped iovn— children in the uk have slipped iovn in— children in the uk have slipped iovn in fne— children in the uk have slipped down in the ranking of 200 cofies— down in the ranking of 200 cofies by— down in the ranking of 200 countries by about 30 places. ani— countries by about 30 places. ani if— countries by about 30 places. ani if voa— countries by about 30 places. and if you look— countries by about 30 places. and if you look at the figures, it and if you look at the figures, if reaiiv— and if you look at the figures, it really shows— and if you look at the figures, it really shows that that has peen— it really shows that that has peen porne— it really shows that that has been borne out— it really shows that that has

been borne out over the last 14 vears— been borne out over the last 14 vears vnicn— been borne out over the last 14 years, which which— been borne out over the last 14 years, which which matches with of— years, which which matches with of fne — years, which which matches with some of the tightest financial pressares in— some of the tightest financial pressures in this— some of the tightest financial pressures in this country. nvvreve if— pressures in this country. however, it is— pressures in this country. however, it is just one metric, isn-f— however, it is just one metric, isn-f ire— however, it is just one metric, isn't it? there's— however, it is just one metric, isn't it? there's many other aspecfs— isn't it? there's many other aspecfs fo— isn't it? there's many other aspects to this. _ isn't it? there's many other aspects to this. you could be iooking— aspects to this. you could be iooking af— aspects to this. you could be looking at general health, nenfai— looking at general health, mental health,— looking at general health, mental health, academic achievement— mental health, academic achievement and potential and all achievement and potential and aii of— achievement and potential and aii of fnese— achievement and potential and all of these things are being but— all of these things are being paf anaer— all of these things are being put under pressure because of faniiies— put under pressure because of faniiies vno— put under pressure because of families who are— put under pressure because of families who are under increasing— families who are under increasing stress. financial sfress— increasing stress. financial sfress ani— increasing stress. financial stress and time— increasing stress. financial stress and time stress as well. i stress and time stress as well. i mean— stress and time stress as well. i mean, we see this in our saregies— i mean, we see this in our sarenesg gor— i mean, we see this in our surgeries, got a- i mean, we see this in our surgeries, got a lot of families vno— surgeries, got a lot of families vvno are— surgeries, got a lot of families vvno tagging— surgeries, got a lot of families who are juggling jobs and passing— who are juggling jobs and passing ine— who are juggling jobs and passing the baton, really, and iasf— passing the baton, really, and as reaiiv— passing the baton, really, and just really struggling to find fine— just really struggling to find fine fo— just really struggling to find time to prepare— just really struggling to find time to prepare meals and to snare— time to prepare meals and to snare neais— time to prepare meals and to share meals with— time to prepare meals and to share meals with their children . fias— share meals with their children . iias fne— share meals with their children . plus the cost— share meals with their children . plus the cost of— share meals with their children . plus the cost of living crisis . fne— . plus the cost of living crisis . fne cosf— . plus the cost of living crisis . fne cosf of— . plus the cost of living crisis , the cost of cooking, storing food.— , the cost of cooking, storing food, refrigeration, all of fnese— food, refrigeration, all of these things— food, refrigeration, all of these things are being bearing iovn.— these things are being bearing down so— these things are being bearing down so in— these things are being bearing down. so i'm not— these things are being bearing down. so i'm not surprised. i'm iasf— down. so i'm not surprised. i'm as verv— down. so i'm not surprised. i'm as verv sai— down. so i'm not surprised. i'm as verv sai fo— down. so i'm not surprised. i'm just very sad to see— down. so i'm not surprised. i'm just very sad to see this . i just very sad to see this. dr. spieiis— just very sad to see this. dr. spieiis .— just very sad to see this. dr. spieiis . i— just very sad to see this. dr. shields . i mean,— just very sad to see this. dr. shields . i mean, how much here, shields. i mean, how much here, though, is personal responsibility? i mean , the uk responsibility? i mean, the uk is we beat every other country in europe for our addiction to

fast food . i think we're only fast food. i think we're only beaten in the world by america. and that takes some doing . how and that takes some doing. how much of this is rather than blaming the government, is there an element of i'll take everything you've said about the cost of living crisis, but is there an element here of personal responsibility and making sure we feed our kids properly ? there is absolutely properly? there is absolutely persona— ”c3r7 there is absolutely personal responsibility, but aiiiei— personal responsibility, but aiiiei fo— personal responsibility, but allied to that— personal responsibility, but allied to that is the education ani— allied to that is the education ani fne— allied to that is the education ani rne sappon— allied to that is the education and the support for families who are and the support for families who anier fne— and the support for families who are under the most— and the support for families who are under the most duress and financia— are under the most duress and financial stress— are under the most duress and financial stress is— are under the most duress and financial stress is i mean, it isn-f— financial stress is i mean, it isn-f iasf— financial stress is i mean, it isn't just about— financial stress is i mean, it isn't just about diet. i mean, we know— isn't just about diet. i mean, we know that— isn't just about diet. i mean, we know that poor diet leads to poor— we know that poor diet leads to poor nafrifion. — we know that poor diet leads to poor nutrition. a— we know that poor diet leads to poor nutrition. a lot of cniiiren— poor nutrition. a lot of children are- poor nutrition. a lot of children are just not getting the minerals— children are just not getting the minerals and the nutrients fnev— the minerals and the nutrients fnev need.— the minerals and the nutrients inev neei. rank— the minerals and the nutrients they need. junk food , diet, as they need. junk food, diet, as you— they need. junk food, diet, as voa sav.— they need. junk food, diet, as you say, following the trends in america.— you say, following the trends in america. that's— you say, following the trends in america. that's not a healthy pier.— america. that's not a healthy iief. vvere— america. that's not a healthy diet. we're storing up huge propiens— diet. we're storing up huge propiens in— diet. we're storing up huge problems in terms of diabetes ani— problems in terms of diabetes ani pean— problems in terms of diabetes and heart disease. big health fine— and heart disease. big health fine poni— and heart disease. big health time bomb that— and heart disease. big health time bomb that we're storing up as a nafion— time bomb that we're storing up as a nation. yes— time bomb that we're storing up as a nation. yes choice is inporfanf.— as a nation. yes choice is important, but- as a nation. yes choice is important, but we need to

sappon— important, but we need to support families to make that cnoice— support families to make that choice because— support families to make that choice because it's more than iasf— choice because it's more than iasf fne— choice because it's more than as rne gaaiifv— choice because it's more than just the quality of the diet or food— just the quality of the diet or food choices. _ just the quality of the diet or food choices. it's— just the quality of the diet or food choices. it's about food iris— food choices. it's about food access. it's about- food choices. it's about food access. it's about being able to get access. it's about being able to gef fo— access. it's about being able to gef fo fne— access. it's about being able to get to the shops,— access. it's about being able to get to the shops, travel to the spops— get to the shops, travel to the snops. ncoose— get to the shops, travel to the shops, choose the— get to the shops, travel to the shops, choose the right foods . shops, choose the right foods. it shops, choose the right foods. if goes— shops, choose the right foods. if goes info— shops, choose the right foods. it goes into housing, public neari— it goes into housing, public neaifn. aki— it goes into housing, public health, all other aspects and . so— health, all other aspects and issues . so although this is an issues. so although this is an inponanf— issues. so although this is an inponanf sforv— issues. so although this is an important story and it's always easv— important story and it's always easv fo— important story and it's always easv ro focas— important story and it's always easy to focus on— important story and it's always easy to focus on something fnaf-s— easy to focus on something that's measurable, isn't it? it gives— that's measurable, isn't it? it gives voa— that's measurable, isn't it? it gives voa a— that's measurable, isn't it? it gives you a measurement. but fnere-s— gives you a measurement. but fnere-s so— gives you a measurement. but there's so much— gives you a measurement. but there's so much that's going on viri— there's so much that's going on vvifn fne— there's so much that's going on with the health— there's so much that's going on with the health of— there's so much that's going on with the health of our children ani— with the health of our children ani fne— with the health of our children and the-deprived- with the health of our children and the deprived parts of and the most deprived parts of our and the most deprived parts of sociefv— and the most deprived parts of sociefv .— and the most deprived parts of our society , which— and the most deprived parts of our society , which so our society, which is not so neasaapei.— our society, which is not so measurable. but- our society, which is not so measurable. but as gp's we are seeing— measurable. but as gp's we are seeing fne— measurable. but as gp's we are seeing the effects— measurable. but as gp's we are seeing the effects of that. inaf-s— seeing the effects of that. that's great. _ seeing the effects of that. that's great. t“

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britain is watching . hello britain is watching. hello vvecornei— britain is watching. hello welcome back— britain is watching. hello welcome back to gb news saturday vvifn— welcome back to gb news saturday vvifn — welcome back to gb news saturday vvifn pawn— welcome back to gb news saturday with me. dawn neesom- welcome back to gb news saturday with me. i \ welcome back to gb news saturday with me. i k rt“ . welcome back to gb news saturday with me. i \ « with me. dawn neesom on your tv, onune with me. dawn neesom on your tv, online and on digital radio . now online and on digital radio. now it's armed forces day . a series it's armed forces day. a series of amazing events are being held across the country today . over across the country today. over 1000 service personnel and band have paraded through the town centres to commemorate the service of men and women in the british armed forces. earlier on our northwest, reporter sophie reaper spoke to veterans about the importance of armed forces day , and here's what they had to day, and here's what they had to say. it's day, and here's what they had to say . it's you know, it's one of say. it's you know, it's one of fnese— say. it's you know, it's one of fnese fnings— say. it's you know, it's one of these things that— it's you know, it's one of these things that should be recognisei. — these things that should be recognised. the— these things that should be recognised. the army should be recognised.— recognised. the army should be recognised, the— recognised. the army should be recognised, the veterans should be recognised, the veterans should pe recognises.— recognised, the veterans should be recognised. there's, you know.— be recognised. there's, you know-go— be recognised. there's, you know-go fo— be recognised. there's, you know, go to america and the know, you go to america and the reconf— know, you go to america and the recorilnear— know, you go to america and the recordihear the— know, you go to america and the recordihear the sort— know, you go to america and the record hear the sort like record i hear the sort of like prasnei— record i hear the sort of like brushed under— record i hear the sort of like brushed under carpet and brushed under the carpet and it's brushed under the carpet and its aki— brushed under the carpet and its aii vvong— brushed under the carpet and it's all wrong. it's— brushed under the carpet and it's all wrong. it's all wrong in-eves. — it's all wrong. it's all wrong in-evesliike- it's all wrong. it's all wrong in-eyes.-like i- it's all wrong. it's all wrong in eyes. like i said, in my eyes. but like i said, i i-ve gor— in my eyes. but like i said, i mean, i've got a— in my eyes. but like i said, i mean, i've got a military stand vnicn— mean, i've got a military stand vnicn is— mean, i've got a military stand vnicn is over— mean, i've got a military stand which is over there— mean, i've got a military stand which is over there and you know.— which is over there and you know. i— which is over there and you know. i enrov—

which is over there and you know, i enjoy the kit know, i enjoy putting the kit on.|eniov— know, i enjoy putting the kit on. enjoy telling people about on. i enjoy telling people about the on. i enjoy telling people about fne vvepos— on. i enjoy telling people about the weapons systems, food the weapons systems, the food fnaf— the weapons systems, the food that—equipment. the weapons systems, the food that equipment we that we eat, the equipment we use. _enlightening- that we eat, the equipment we use. enlightening the use. it's just enlightening the pains— use. it's just enlightening the pains-know.— use. it's just enlightening the public,-know,-we- use. it's just enlightening the public, know, we are public, you know, that we are sfiii— public, you know, that we are sfiii-even— public, you know, that we are still-even though- public, you know, that we are still even though we're still here, even though we're veterans._can| still here, even though we're- veterans._can take veterans. you know, you can take the veterans. you know, you can take fne gav— veterans. you know, you can take rne gav oar— veterans. you know, you can take rne gav oar of— veterans. you know, you can take the guy out of the— veterans. you know, you can take the guy out of the army, but you can-f— the guy out of the army, but you cant fake— the guy out of the army, but you cant fake fne— the guy out of the army, but you can't take the army— the guy out of the army, but you can't take the army out. the guy.— can't take the army out. the guy i_ can't take the army out. the gav. i fnink— can't take the army out. the gav. i inink ne— can't take the army out. the guy, i think he should be more recognisei. — guy, i think he should be more recognised. t ”its; guy, i think he should be more recognised. t ttrt recognised. schools are not doing enough. i don't think. but but the public don't seem to remember. they get told world war i, world war ii or afghanistan, they don't get told by every conflict . we took part by every conflict. we took part in. we're here just to represent irifisn— in. we're here just to represent british legion. _ in. we're here just to represent british legion. so— “ we're here just to represent british legion. ”it; british legion. so we're out there pressing flesh with people and taking a little bit of money and taking a little bit of money and what have you. having a crack with people. people love to come see you when you to come and see you when you know, you see they see the poppy and you. everybody and what have you. everybody sees it's just a sees that. but yeah, it's just a good, good feeling to be here. and it's nice to see meet up with a lot people who we see with a lot of people who we see year on as well. yeah. and year on year as well. yeah. and the backs are big, you know, the

bikes, the bikes, love bikes, the bikes, the kids love the that. yeah, yeah. the bikes and that. yeah, yeah. lots of pictures— the bikes and that. yeah, yeah. lots of pictures and— the bikes and that. yeah, yeah. lots of pictures and that. - t“rt yeah, yeah. lots of pictures and that. yeah. voa— lots of pictures and that. yeah. voa know.— lots of pictures and that. yeah. you know, come— lots of pictures and that. yeah. you know, come back later on. voa—a— you know, come back later on. voa—a go— you know, come back later on. voa—a go on- you know, come back later on. voa—a go on one- you know, come back later on. you-a go on one and. you can have a go on one and sophie joins us now live from manchester update us on manchester to update us on how the is going. hello sophie. the day is going. hello sophie. a very good afternoon, dawn. well, for one, it's absolutely divine here in divine weather here in manchester where we're celebrating armed forces day. now, the theme this year is a big thank you because, of course , that's what we are doing here today. we're thanking our armed forces , whether it be royal navy forces, whether it be royal navy , british army, royal air force , and not just our current serving troops . it's also about serving troops. it's also about thanking our veterans, our cadets and of course , the cadets and of course, the families of our troops , who, of families of our troops, who, of course, also make those sacrifices today is all about honounng sacrifices today is all about honouring everyone on both past and present who have served on behalf of the armed forces. now, today, here in manchester, we've seen a walk past parade. we've had live performances. there's one going on right now . and one going on right now. and we've also heard speeches from

some significant figures here in manchester, one of whom was the lord mayor who i got the opportunity to speak to a little bit earlier on, tell me what's going to be happening here in manchester today. so we've got entertainment.— manchester today. so we've got entertainment. we've - tit t t so we've got entertainment. we've had a few speecnes— entertainment. we've had a few speeches already,— entertainment. we've had a few speeches already, celebrate annea— speeches already, celebrate armed forces— speeches already, celebrate armed forces day and recognising the commitment— armed forces day and recognising the commitment of— armed forces day and recognising the commitment of our armed forces— the commitment of our armed forces fo— the commitment of our armed forces fo oa— the commitment of our armed forces to our city,— the commitment of our armed forces to our city, to our coanfrv— forces to our city, to our coanfrv ani— forces to our city, to our country and basically keeping us safe— country and basically keeping us safe ani— country and basically keeping us safe and keeping— country and basically keeping us safe and keeping it real for all of as— safe and keeping it real for all of as pere— safe and keeping it real for all of as pee in— safe and keeping it real for all of us here in manchester. of . fnis— of us here in manchester. of course , this has— of us here in manchester. of course , this has been going on course, this has been going on for nanv— course, this has been going on for nanv veas— course, this has been going on for many years now. iiiii“rt.rt for many years now. once a year we pave— for many years now. once a year we have we have our armed forces day. tell me why it's so important that we recognise and honour our armed forces. you know, they are doing- honour our armed forces. you know, they are doing an- you know, they are doing an amazing job. know, they are doing an amazing top. ine— know, they are doing an amazing top. ine anes— know, they are doing an amazing job. the armed forces are doing an amazing— job. the armed forces are doing an amazing rop— job. the armed forces are doing an amazing job protecting our civ— an amazing job protecting our cifv. profecfing— an amazing job protecting our city, protecting our country . city, protecting our country. why— city, protecting our country. vvnv—pe- city, protecting our country. vvnv—pe fnis| city, protecting our country. . why—be this days why shouldn't we be this days iike— why shouldn't we be this days iike fnis— why shouldn't we be this days like this should— why shouldn't we be this days like this should be happening more-more. they- like this should be happening more more. they are more and more. they are sacrificing— more and more. they are sacrificing their lives and fnei. — sacrificing their lives and their, - know, - sacrificing their lives and their, know, their personal their, you know, their personal iives. — their, you know, their personal iives—fier- lives, their lives, their faniiies— lives, their lives, their families there to lives, their lives, their- families-there to protect families to be there to protect us us safe. fantastic us and keep us safe. fantastic ani— us and keep us safe. fantastic ana-are.— us and keep us safe. fantastic ana-are. vnar— us and keep us safe. fantastic and-me, what does- us and keep us safe. fantastic and-me, what does it- us and keep us safe. fantastic i and-me, what does it mean? and tell me, what does it mean? specific to to be able to specific to you to be able to recognise the armed forces? for me, it's a moment of pride

because my grandad was in the british army. he was a platoon commander and— british army. he was a platoon commander and i— c he was a platoon commander and i mean he received so nanv— commander and i mean he received so nanv neiais— commander and i mean he received so nanv neiais as— commander and i mean he received so many medals as well. and it's a rnornenf— so many medals as well. and it's a rnornenf of— so many medals as well. and it's a moment of pride— so many medals as well. and it's a moment of pride for every one of nose— a moment of pride for every one of those individuals that have represenfei— of those individuals that have represented our— of those individuals that have represented our country, the pnifei— represented our country, the pnifei-fo- represented our country, the pnifei-fo .- represented our country, the united _to , you i represented our country, the. united _to , you know, united kingdom, to, you know, keeping— united kingdom, to, you know, keepinglsafe— united kingdom, to, you know, keepinglsafe .— united kingdom, to, you know, keeping safe , keeping it, you keeping it safe, keeping it, you know.— keeping it safe, keeping it, you know. sfrong— keeping it safe, keeping it, you know, strong, being the strength of-coanfrv— know, strong, being the strength of-coanfrv is— know, strong, being the strength of-country is been- of our country is been absolutely— of our country is been absolutely amazing. a moment of pricie— absolutely amazing. a moment of priie .— absolutely amazing. a moment of pride . absolutely.— absolutely amazing. a moment of pride . absolutely. _ absolutely amazing. a moment of pride . absolutely. pride. absolutely. let me just ask you one final question. of course, you're the lord of course, you're the lord mayor of manchester. if you had the chance to give a message to our armed forces from the people of manchester and yourself, what would message be? it is. would that message be? it is. thank for would that message be? it is. thank-for everything- t t trt;7 it is. thank for everything that t t trt;7 it is. thaido for everything that t t trt;7 it is. thaido us everything that t t trt;7 it is. thaido us to ierything that t g trt7 it is. thaido us to keeping that t t trt;7 it is. thaido us to keep us that t g trt7 it is. thaido us to keep us safe. you do for us to keep us safe. apsoiafeiv— you do for us to keep us safe. absolutely humbled and proud to pave— absolutely humbled and proud to nave-pere— absolutely humbled and proud to have-here with— absolutely humbled and proud to have-here with us— absolutely humbled and proud to have here with us and have you here with us and sapponing— have you here with us and sapponing oa— have you here with us and supporting our country. so thank you supporting our country. so thank voa so— supporting our country. so thank voa so nacn— supporting our country. so thank you so much from _ supporting our country. so thank you so much from the bottom of my you so much from the bottom of nv neari— you so much from the bottom of nv neanli— you so much from the bottom of nv neanli-fne- you so much from the bottom of my heartii-the lord- you so much from the bottom of my heart i the lord mayor my heart, i think the lord mayor sarnrnei— my heart, i think the lord mayor sarnrnei fnaf— my heart, i think the lord mayor summed that up— my heart, i think the lord mayor summed that up really well fnere. — summed that up really well fnere. spe— summed that up really well there. she talked- summed that up really well there. t there. she talked about how proud should of our armed proud we should be of our armed forces. they, of course , they forces. they, of course, they risked their lives. they give up so they make those so many things. they make those sacrifices is for our safety and

that it's right that here today we mark and celebrate armed forces day . our reporter there forces day. our reporter there in manchester on armed forces day. and it's still time to get invoivei— day. and it's still time to get invoivei. isi— day. and it's still time to get involved. 131 events- zitg and it's still time to get involved. 131 events in england oeviiia— involved. 131 events in england seviiia in— involved. 131 events in england sevilla in scotland. go to the vvepsife— sevilla in scotland. go to the vepsife .— sevilla in scotland. go to the website , find— sevilla in scotland. go to the website , find out— sevilla in scotland. go to the website , find out how you can website, find out how you can get— website, find out how you can gef invoivei. — website, find out how you can get involved. now now another day,— get involved. now now another iav. anofner— get involved. now now another day, another chapter from the frai— day, another chapter from the map nai— day, another chapter from the mad mad world— day, another chapter from the mad mad world of the duke and iracness—nov- mad mad world of the duke and duchess-how is- mad mad world of the duke and duchess how is being duchess of sussex. how is being accasei— duchess of sussex. how is being accasei of— duchess of sussex. how is being accused of wanting— duchess of sussex. how is being accused of wanting to interview? vvaf— accused of wanting to interview? war for— accused of wanting to interview? war for if.— accused of wanting to interview? wait for it, donald— accused of wanting to interview? wait for it, donald trump and viaiini— wait for it, donald trump and vladimir putin— wait for it, donald trump and vladimir putin as part of the spofifv— vladimir putin as part of the spofifv reai— vladimir putin as part of the spotify deal that was binned a few iavs— spotify deal that was binned a few iavs ago.— spotify deal that was binned a few days ago. joining me now is rovai— few days ago. joining me now is royal broadcaster— few days ago. joining me now is royal broadcaster and commentator rafe heydel—mankoo kapp— commentator rafe heydel—mankoo kaippvvnaf-s— commentator rafe heydel—mankoo ralph, what's going on here? fnis— ralph, what's going on here? inis soaps— ralph, what's going on here? this sounds mad— ralph, what's going on here? this sounds mad to me. sorry hi. this sounds mad to me. sorry ni. ves.— this sounds mad to me. sorry ni. ves. yure— this sounds mad to me. sorry hi. yes, you're absolutely- hi. yes, you're absolutely right. i mean, look, forget, you know, frost versus nixon or gore vidal versus william f buckley, jr. of course , the heavyweight jr. of course, the heavyweight interview. we've all been waiting for is prince harry versus vladimir putin, the montecito snowflake versus the

moscow blizzard . what an epic moscow blizzard. what an epic intellectual duel that would have been. you know, to have prince harry apparently wanting to get putin to reveal his innermost emotions and open up about his childhood trauma and how that shaped his ability to deal with with conflict , deal with with conflict, etcetera, and was trying to think how would that go? you know, you can just see them having their coffee on the sofas and harry saying, well, vlad, you know, we've both known conflict after you've sent thousands soldiers their thousands of soldiers to their deaths, facing deaths, you're now facing a military mutiny. likewise, when i argued with my brother, he pushed me over and broke my necklace. spooky necklace. it's a spooky similarity. and the problem here, of course, is that harry is so concerned about exploring childhood trauma. what about the childhood trauma. what about the childhood trauma. what about the childhood trauma putin has childhood trauma that putin has caused to millions of children in chechnya , georgia, syria, in chechnya, georgia, syria, ukraine and africa? those kids didn't have the wealth and the privilege that harry had to deal with his much milder trauma . i with his much milder trauma. i mean, it's a complete

embarrassment to think that putin could have been a suitable guest spotify podcast . guest for his spotify podcast. it's insane, ralph. unfortunately we're running it's insane, ralph. _ unfortunately we're running out of fine.— unfortunately we're running out of fine. ioveiv— unfortunately we're running out of time. lovely. thank you so nacn.— of time. lovely. thank you so nacn. fnaf— of time. lovely. thank you so much. that is— of time. lovely. thank you so much. that is rafe heydel—mankoo pringing— much. that is rafe heydel—mankoo pringing as— much. that is rafe heydel—mankoo pringing as ap— much. that is rafe heydel—mankoo pringing as ap fo— much. that is rafe heydel—mankoo pringing as ap ro ap— much. that is rafe heydel—mankoo bringing us up to up to date on prince— bringing us up to up to date on irince nanv-s— bringing us up to up to date on prince harry's rather harebrained scheme to interview nafin— harebrained scheme to interview iafin. ani— harebrained scheme to interview iafin. ani i— harebrained scheme to interview putin. and i think— harebrained scheme to interview putin. and i think the pope was nenfionei— putin. and i think the pope was nenfionei as— putin. and i think the pope was mentioned as well— putin. and i think the pope was mentioned as well at one point, kignf. — mentioned as well at one point, nignf. veii.— mentioned as well at one point, nignf. vveii. on.— mentioned as well at one point, right. well. oh, my god, time nas— right. well. oh, my god, time nas fiovn— right. well. oh, my god, time nas fiovn so— right. well. oh, my god, time has flown so fast. _ right. well. oh, my god, time has flown so fast. that's it from— has flown so fast. that's it from me— has flown so fast. that's it from me for— has flown so fast. that's it from me for today. but stay fanei— from me for today. but stay tuned because— from me for today. but stay tuned because nana is up next. iooking— tuned because nana is up next. looking gorgeous.— tuned because nana is up next. looking gorgeous. i have to say . as— looking gorgeous. i have to say . as aivavs.— looking gorgeous. i have to say . as always, thank— looking gorgeous. i have to say . as always, thank you. know vnar-s— . as always, thank you. know was coming— . as always, thank you. know what's coming up— . as always, thank you. know what's coming up on your show. veii.— what's coming up on your show. vveii. vve— what's coming up on your show. well, we obviously— what's coming up on your show. well, we obviously are going to be well, we obviously are going to pe iooking— well, we obviously are going to pe iooking af— well, we obviously are going to be looking at the— well, we obviously are going to be looking at the russian confiicf— be looking at the russian conflict because that's there's iofs— conflict because that's there's iofs-ans — conflict because that's there's iofs-ani-onl conflict because that's there's. lots-and-on that lots of twists and turns on that at lots of twists and turns on that af-nonenf. — lots of twists and turns on that at-moment. will- lots of twists and turns on that at moment. �*fvi cc rgrtc at the moment. will they get to putin? yes but we're also going at the moment. will they get to putalkyes but we're also going at the moment. will they get to putalk aboutit we're also going at the moment. will they get to putalk about that're also going at the moment. will they get to putalk about that submersible] to talk about that submersible because absolutely fascinating . because absolutely fascinating. a real tragedy. but i mean, there are elements of it that i think why on earth would they get on something like that ? so get on something like that? so we're going to look at that as well. i'll be mucking the week with spencer. she's a with diane spencer. she's a comedian. some fun comedian. we will have some fun on show. marvellous we do on that show. marvellous we do like that. and yeah, just

like to do that. and yeah, just sounds i might just sounds amazing. i might just pang— sounds amazing. i might just pang-ani— sounds amazing. i might just pang-ans sfav- sounds amazing. i might just hang-and stay on- sounds amazing. i might just hang-and stay on with hang around and stay on with voa. — hang around and stay on with voa. aiigpf— hang around and stay on with. you. might-absolutely you. might as well. absolutely right. well, that's it. we've ran-of— right. well, that's it. we've ran-of fine.— right. well, that's it. we've run-of time. thank- t g well, that's it. we've run of time. thank you so run out of time. thank you so nacn— run out of time. thank you so nacn-pining— run out of time. thank you so much .joining us. - run out of time. thank you so much joining us. you've much forjoining us. you've been vvafcning—fo- much forjoining us. you've been vvafcning—fo ci- watching and listening to gb veas—me.- watching and listening to gbi news—me. dawn news saturday with me. dawn neesom— news saturday with me. dawn veeson ani— news saturday with me. dawn neesom and thank you so much. keaiiv— neesom and thank you so much. really appreciate— neesom and thank you so much. really appreciate your company. iron-f— don't go anywhere, though, pecaase— don't go anywhere, though, because nana— don't go anywhere, though, because nana next. but because nana is up next. but first— because nana is up next. but firsf. vnar-s— because nana is up next. but first, what's weather doing first, what's that weather doing oafsiie— outside with jonathan? hello fnere. — outside with jonathan? hello there. .jonathan- outside with jonathan? hello there. outside with jonathan? hello- there. .jonathan vautrey here there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with latest news weather with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by met forecast provided by the met office. despite the cloud, it has been a relatively settled start to the weekend for many of us. high pressure that's keeping it fine is slowly losing its grip it fine is slowly losing its grip on the uk and increasingly this area of low pressure in the northwest will become more of a feature of our weather as we head into to so some head into to sunday. so some outbreaks of rain for parts of the western isles throughout later on this evening. and then gradually we head into the gradually as we head into the early hours of sunday morning, we'll to see that rain we'll start to see that rain push way northern push its way into northern ireland. us, though, ireland. for many of us, though, there be some late evening there will be some late evening sunshine intervals sunshine and clear intervals dunng sunshine and clear intervals during overnight but during the overnight period. but it be a warm and

it is going to be a warm and humid night for a lot of us. many and cities holding up many towns and cities holding up around quite around 18 c. so quite uncomfortable for sleeping for many of us. a bright start to sunday for england , wales and sunday for england, wales and scotland. increasingly this scotland. but increasingly this rain is going to start pushing its in from the west, its way in from the west, providing some heavy outbreaks its way in from the west, pro northern �*ne heavy outbreaks its way in from the west, pro northern �*ne heanthenjreaks its way in from the west, pro northern�*ne heanthen later; for northern ireland, then later into northern into scotland, northern wales and england , there is and northern england, there is a chance of some thunderstorms developing eastern developing across eastern tv, radio and online gb news. britain's news . developing across eastern england into scotland as england into scotland as england up into scotland as well. torrential downpours , some england up into scotland as well. well. torrential downpours, some localised is possible. localised flooding is possible. ahead of that, though , we hold ahead of that, though, we hold on to the mild air in the south and quite hot with highs and really quite hot with highs of 30, 31 c as over towards the west. we're starting to feed in some slightly fresher air as our winds shift direction to more of a westerly and that will push across the rest of the uk as we head sunday so head throughout sunday night. so sunday night looking as sunday night not looking as humid and muggy for most of us and will be a little bit more and it will be a little bit more comfortable when heading comfortable when you're heading to bright start to bed. we'll be a bright start to bed. we'll be a bright start to once that rain has to monday once that rain has cleared off the very far northwest, scattering of showers developing northern developing across the northern half the uk, but some sunny

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