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the gb newsroom. i'm the leader of the wagner— the gb newsroom. i'm the leader of the wagner mercenary group says— of the wagner mercenary group eeye russian— of the wagner mercenary group says russian helicopters have opened— says russian helicopters have opened fire— says russian helicopters have opened fire on— says russian helicopters have opened fire on a— says russian helicopters have opened fire on a convoy of his feces— opened fire on a convoy of his fees as the— opened fire on a convoy of his forces as the head— opened fire on a convoy of his forces as the head to moscow. n-e— forces as the head to moscow. n-e after— forces as the head to moscow. it's after yevgeny_ forces as the head to moscow. it's after yevgeny prigozhin deemed— it's after yevgeny prigozhin eeimee ee— it's after yevgeny prigozhin claimed to have taken control of russia-e— claimed to have taken control of russia's southern— claimed to have taken control of russia's southern military headquarters— russia's southern military headquarters in rostov . he's headquarters in rostov. he's eeeueee— headquarters in rostov. he's accused russia's— headquarters in rostov. he's accused russia's military chiefs of attacking— accused russia's military chiefs of attacking his— accused russia's military chiefs of attacking his forces and lying— of attacking his forces and tying ee— of attacking his forces and lying to justify— of attacking his forces and lying to justify the war in ukraine.— lying to justify the war in ukraine. the— lying to justify the war in ukraine. the uk government is reportedly— ukraine. the uk government is reportedly holding an emergency com— reportedly holding an emergency coera meeting— reportedly holding an emergency cobra meeting today to discuss the changing— cobra meeting today to discuss the changing situation in reteste— the changing situation in russia. well,— the changing situation in russia. well, earlier , russia's russia. well, earlier, russia's heetteht— russia. well, earlier, russia's president putin— russia. well, earlier, russia's president putin attacked the teeter— president putin attacked the teeter et— president putin attacked the leader of the _ president putin attacked the leader of the mercenary group, eeeuehe— leader of the mercenary group, eeeuehe hth— leader of the mercenary group, accusing him of— leader of the mercenary group, accusing him of treason and armed— accusing him of treason and armed huthy— accusing him of treason and armed mutiny ._ accusing him of treason and armed mutiny . _ accusing him of treason and armed mutiny . "wat accusing him of treason and armed mutiny . ' "g armed mutiny. any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood, to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our people, our actions to protect the homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those who deliberately took the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who took path of mutiny, who took the path of blackmail and terrorist methods , will suffer an inevitable punishment , , will suffer an inevitable punishment, answer both to

punishment, will answer both to the law and our people . a the law and to our people. a team of cft investigators are on heart— team of cft investigators are on heart the— team of cft investigators are on board the main— team of cft investigators are on board the main support ship of the then— board the main support ship of the titan submersible after it returned— the titan submersible after it returned te— the titan submersible after it returned to the— the titan submersible after it returned to the harbour tettewhg— returned to the harbour following the deep sea vessel's tetet— following the deep sea vessel's fatal implosion— following the deep sea vessel's fatal implosion ._ following the deep sea vessel's fatal implosion . iron flags on fatal implosion. iron flags on heart— fatal implosion. iron flags on heart the— fatal implosion. iron flags on board the polar— fatal implosion. iron flags on board the polar prince were at hatt— board the polar prince were at hett meet— board the polar prince were at hett meet at— board the polar prince were at half mast at had— board the polar prince were at half mast at had arrived at the port— half mast at had arrived at the pert h— half mast at had arrived at the pert he sent— half mast at had arrived at the port in saint johns harbour this memhg. — port in saint johns harbour this memhg. the— port in saint johns harbour this morning. five people on board the them— morning. five people on board the titan were— morning. five people on board the titan were killed in the hetteht— the titan were killed in the incident near— the titan were killed in the incident near the wreckage of the theme. — incident near the wreckage of the titanic. a— incident near the wreckage of the titanic. a safety investigation into the implosion of investigation into the implosion et the— investigation into the implosion of the submersible has been termehet— of the submersible has been launched and— of the submersible has been launched and it— of the submersible has been launched and it will focus on the— launched and it will focus on the eetety— launched and it will focus on the eetety et— launched and it will focus on the safety of the _ launched and it will focus on the safety of the operation tether— the safety of the operation rather than _ the safety of the operation rather than determining civil or ertmhet— rather than determining civil or criminal liability— rather than determining civil or criminal liability ._ rather than determining civil or criminal liability . motty the criminal liability. motty the thet— criminal liability. motty the first minister— criminal liability. motty the first minister of scotland, says the meet— first minister of scotland, says the next westminster election eheutt — the next westminster election eheutt he — the next westminster election should be used— the next westminster election should be used as a manifesto for should be used as a manifesto ter eh— should be used as a manifesto for an independent scotland . for an independent scotland. sheathe— for an independent scotland. seeetha et— for an independent scotland. seeetha et eh— for an independent scotland. speaking at an snp independence emehtteh— speaking at an snp independence emehtteh h— speaking at an snp independence convention in dundee, humza reheat— convention in dundee, humza reheat sere— convention in dundee, humza yousaf safe said— convention in dundee, humza yousaf safe said that the route to yousaf safe said that the route te seettteh — yousaf safe said that the route to scottish independence is threugh— to scottish independence is threrah the— to scottish independence is through the lawful and democratic— through the lawful and democratic process . yusuf added democratic process. yusuf added thet— democratic process. yusuf added that rt— democratic process. yusuf added

that h the— democratic process. yusuf added that if the snp _ democratic process. yusuf added that if the snp wins that eteettem— that if the snp wins that election, it— that if the snp wins that election, it will seek negotiations with the uk geremmeht— negotiations with the uk government to give democratic etteet— government to give democratic etteet te— government to give democratic effect to scotland, becoming . effect to scotland, becoming. hteeehteht— effect to scotland, becoming. independent margaret macdonagh , independent margaret macdonagh, teheur-e— independent margaret macdonagh, teheur-ettret— independent margaret macdonagh, labour's first female general secretary,— labour's first female general eeeretery, hee— labour's first female general secretary, has died aged 61. the eetttteteh— secretary, has died aged 61. the eetttteteh tet— secretary, has died aged 61. the politician sat in— secretary, has died aged 61. the politician sat in the house of heme— politician sat in the house of terte ee— politician sat in the house of lords as baroness mcdonough and has lords as baroness mcdonough and hes teem— lords as baroness mcdonough and has been described— lords as baroness mcdonough and has been described as an rheteeeehte— has been described as an unstoppable force of nature and a unstoppable force of nature and e ehemeteh— unstoppable force of nature and e ehemeteh ter— unstoppable force of nature and a champion for women . a protest a champion for women. a protest wttt— a champion for women. a protest wttt he— a champion for women. a protest wttt he hete— a champion for women. a protest will be held outside parliament heter— will be held outside parliament teter te— will be held outside parliament teter te eet— will be held outside parliament teter te set up— will be held outside parliament later to set up demands for the reeeete— later to set up demands for the reeeete trem — later to set up demands for the release from prison of wikileaks reenter— release from prison of wikileaks founder julian— release from prison of wikileaks founder julian assange . assange founder julian assange. assange teeee— founder julian assange. assange faces extradition— founder julian assange. assange faces extradition to the united states,— faces extradition to the united states, where _ faces extradition to the united states, where he— faces extradition to the united states, where he could be tmerteehet— states, where he could be imprisoned for— states, where he could be imprisoned for the rest of his the. — imprisoned for the rest of his the. hee— imprisoned for the rest of his life. he's been— imprisoned for the rest of his life. he's been hailed in hehteh-e— life. he's been hailed in london's high- life. he's been hailed in london's high security belmarsh erteeh— london's high security belmarsh erteeh ter— london's high security belmarsh prison for more— london's high security belmarsh prison for more than four years as he— prison for more than four years as he hehte— prison for more than four years as he fights extradition , he as he fights extradition, he teeee— as he fights extradition, he faces charges— as he fights extradition, he faces charges over the publication— faces charges over the publication of classified documents— publication of classified documents relating to the afghanistan— documents relating to the afghanistan and iraq wars . a

afghanistan and iraq wars. a meter— afghanistan and iraq wars. a mete heter— afghanistan and iraq wars. a major water company is blaming eeeete— major water company is blaming more people working from home etter— more people working from home etter the— more people working from home after the cowo— more people working from home after the covid pandemic for a heeeetee— after the covid pandemic for a new hosepipe ban. south east ete— new hosepipe ban. south east ete whteh— new hosepipe ban. south east water, which supplies more than 2 mtttteh— water, which supplies more than 2 million homes— water, which supplies more than 2 million homes and businesses , 2 million homes and businesses, wttt— 2 million homes and businesses, wttt tmeeee— 2 million homes and businesses, will impose the— 2 million homes and businesses, will impose the first hosepipe heh— will impose the first hosepipe hem et— will impose the first hosepipe hem et the— will impose the first hosepipe ban of the summer from monday. thet— ban of the summer from monday. thet wttt— ban of the summer from monday. that will affect— ban of the summer from monday. that will affect households across kent— that will affect households across kent and— that will affect households across kent and sussex . the across kent and sussex. the eemeem-e— across kent and sussex. the company's chief— across kent and sussex. the company's chief executive also termed— company's chief executive also htemet terr— company's chief executive also blamed low rainfall as well as a teem— blamed low rainfall as well as a reeht mett— blamed low rainfall as well as a recent spell of— blamed low rainfall as well as a recent spell of hot— blamed low rainfall as well as a recent spell of hot weather teethe— recent spell of hot weather teethe te— recent spell of hot weather teetmg te e— recent spell of hot weather leading to a spike in demand for trhthe— leading to a spike in demand for drinking water.— leading to a spike in demand for drinking water. the prime rrhteter— drinking water. the prime minister has— drinking water. the prime minister has paid tribute to the ehehemehet— minister has paid tribute to the phenomenal precision and rreteeeer— phenomenal precision and professor professionalism of hrttteh— professor professionalism of british troops— professor professionalism of british troops as events are hete— british troops as events are hett eereee— british troops as events are held across the _ british troops as events are held across the uk to mark armed tereee— held across the uk to mark armed tereee hey.— held across the uk to mark armed tereee hey. the— held across the uk to mark armed forces day. the king— held across the uk to mark armed forces day. the king also paid trthete— forces day. the king also paid trthete h— forces day. the king also paid trthete th e— forces day. the king also paid tribute in a signed letter thehthe— tribute in a signed letter thanking military personnel for the tmmehee— thanking military personnel for the immense and— thanking military personnel for the immense and dedicated contribution— the immense and dedicated contribution of— the immense and dedicated contribution of the british mttttem— contribution of the british military, both _ contribution of the british military, both at home and overseas . he— military, both at home and overseas . he drew on his own overseas. he drew on his own ttme— overseas. he drew on his own ttme h— overseas. he drew on his own ttme th the— overseas. he drew on his own time in the military and said he reeeehteet— time in the military and said he recognised the— time in the military and said he recognised the deep pride serrtee— recognised the deep pride

service personnel take in their tutt— service personnel take in their tety eeretee— service personnel take in their duty parades and— service personnel take in their duty parades and flypasts will tete— duty parades and flypasts will tete eteee— duty parades and flypasts will take place around the country to them— take place around the country to them the— take place around the country to thank the military— take place around the country to thank the military community. reeete— thank the military community. reeete h— thank the military community. people in manchester have been getherhe— people in manchester have been aetherha ter— people in manchester have been gathering for the— people in manchester have been gathering for the event . owe; gathering for the event. one of these— gathering for the event. one of these three— gathering for the event. one of these things that should be recognised. the army should be recognised. the army should be recognised. the army should be recognised. the veterans should be recognised. there's, you know r 90 be recognised. there's, you know , go to america and the , you go to america and the record i hear the sort of like brushed and brushed under the carpet and it's all wrong. it's show my street— it's all wrong. it's show my eeeeertlthe— it's all wrong. it's show my support-the veterans- l 3 it's show my support the veterans and the support for the veterans and the injured— support for the veterans and the injured veterans— support for the veterans and the injured veterans and the cadets whe— injured veterans and the cadets whe hopefullv_ injured veterans and the cadets who hopefully and they are our tethe— who hopefully and they are our tetere ett— who hopefully and they are our future all being— who hopefully and they are our future all being well she respecte— future all being well she respects like _ future all being well she respects like that you know it's the— respects like that you know it's like colleagues— respects like that you know it's like colleagues in— respects like that you know it's like colleagues in that who eeht— like colleagues in that who eeht here— like colleagues in that who aren't here today who would like to aren't here today who would like te he— aren't here today who would like te he here. — aren't here today who would like to be here. but— aren't here today who would like to be here. but for— aren't here today who would like to be here. gave; aren't here today who would like to be here. if; to be here. but for the guys who are serving now and the girls you know. so, yeah, we still need armed forces and just need our armed forces and just to of you know, to be part of that, you know, it's we're proud of this is gb news we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, back to heme— happens. now, though, back to heme .—

nana. hello. good afternoon and welcome. this is. gb news on tv onune welcome. this is. gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. just coming up to seven minutes after 3:00, i suddenly thought 4:00. where are we.7 well, suddenly thought 4:00. where are we? well, here we go. that's a good start. but there's some we started the week on a very tragic note, a submersible called titan, which disappeared on a mission with crew on a mission with five crew on board to view the titanic. now, the world was gripped as this submersible lost contact, something that it turned out it was prone to do . and so was prone to do. and so confident of this product . the confident of this product. the boss ocean view, the company boss of ocean view, the company behind the was actually behind the titan, was actually on board inside the sub has about as much room as a minivan. so this is not your grandfather's submersible. we enh— grandfather's submersible. we ehtt here— grandfather's submersible. we ehty here ee— grandfather's submersible. we only have one button. that's it. it only have one button. that's it. rt eheett— only have one button. that's it. rt eheett he— only have one button. that's it. it should be like— only have one button. that's it. it should be like an elevator. vee— it should be like an elevator. tee thew— it should be like an elevator. tee thew ,— it should be like an elevator. tee thew , tt— it should be like an elevator. you know , it shouldn't take a you know, it shouldn't take a lot you know, it shouldn't take a tet et— you know, it shouldn't take a tet et etttt— you know, it shouldn't take a lot of skill. we— you know, it shouldn't take a lot of skill. we can use these off lot of skill. we can use these ett the— lot of skill. we can use these off the shelf— lot of skill. we can use these off the shelf components. i got these— off the shelf components. i got these trem — off the shelf components. i got these from camper world. we run these from camper world. we run the whete— these from camper world. we run the whole thing— these from camper world. we run the whole thing with this game eehtretter—

the whole thing with this game eehtretter .— the whole thing with this game controller. come— the whole thing with this game controller. come on. the whole thing with this game controller . come on. w controller. come on. says his submersible is one of the safest forms of transport station in the world. you believe the cyclops two is pretty much invulnerable. by cyclops two is pretty much invulnerable . by the time we're invulnerable. by the time we're tehe — invulnerable. by the time we're tehe teethe— invulnerable. by the time we're done testing it,— invulnerable. by the time we're done testing it, i— by the time we're done testing it, i believe it's pretty— done testing it, i believe it's pretty much— done testing it, i believe it's pretty much invulnerable . ' wt: pretty much invulnerable. and there— pretty much invulnerable. and there pretty— pretty much invulnerable. and that's pretty much— pretty much invulnerable. and that's pretty much what they said about the titanic. that's right . and i will— said about the titanic. that's right . and i will go- said about the titanic. that's right . and i will go on- r: w rt that's right . and i will go on all the right. and i will go on all the thet— right. and i will go on all the ttret thee— right. and i will go on all the first dives, put— right. and i will go on all the first dives, put my money where my meeth— first dives, put my money where my meeth te— first dives, put my money where my meeth he .— first dives, put my money where my mouth is . well— first dives, put my money where my mouth is . well along with my mouth is. well along with theme— my mouth is. well along with titanic expert— my mouth is. well along with titanic expert paul henry nana ehe— titanic expert paul henry nana me three— titanic expert paul henry nana and three other— titanic expert paul henry nana and three other wealthy customers— and three other wealthy customers paying shy of 2000 £200,000— customers paying shy of 2000 £200,000 each _ customers paying shy of 2000 £200,000 each for the world's eeeh— £200,000 each for the world's eeeh ter— £200,000 each for the world's search for the _ £200,000 each for the world's search for the missing vessel in whet— search for the missing vessel in whet we— search for the missing vessel in whet we heret— search for the missing vessel in what we hoped would be an epic rescue. before— what we hoped would be an epic rescue. before the— what we hoped would be an epic rescue. f what we hoped would be an epic rescue. ”cl {flint r:::rw what we hoped would be an epic rescue. w rescue. before the crew on board ran out of air. but sadly, this was to not be. as parts of the titan were found days later littering the ocean floor only yards away from the titanic itself. now my heart goes out to the families of those who died , the families of those who died, in particular a father and son, the son only going along to keep his happy. his aunt later his father happy. his aunt later revealed petrified . revealed that he was petrified. i'll be honest, you'd have to

pay i'll be honest, you'd have to pay me to get on to that thing, not the other way round. even then, i probably wouldn't go. it was apparently controlled by a reconfigured playstation controller, there. controller, as you saw there. but the ocean doesn't play games as on wednesday we celebrated windrush day. now, before you ask, no, my parents didn't come here from the windrush. they got that old fashioned thing called a visa. yes, i know. these days you're better off bypassing that. just get on a dinghy and cross the channel. you'll be given food, shelter and money and housed in a or and housed in a hotel or a disused base in a beautiful part of don't worry of this country. and don't worry , you're unlikely to be sent back even if you're a rapist or murderer. it's et cetera. et cetera. all welcome here anyway. windrush day, trevor phillips said britain is not a racist country, and that it is the least racist across europe. he made reference to harry and meghan saying that no one cared about meghan's race. she and harry had a golden chance to make things different for millions and chose not to. that's unforgivable. i agree

with him wholeheartedly . meghan with him wholeheartedly. meghan was an utter delight appointment. if anything, i think if the truth be known, we all had way too much faith in her. and to be honest, i she's just a complete letdown. and if you hadn't told me that she was mixed race, i wouldn't have known to say known. trevor went on to say that most people would agree that most people would agree that we are not a racist society. we are the most welcoming country in europe and most world here, here now most of the world here, here now , the world of gender ideology took a ridiculous turn when a pupil rightly pointed out that a student could not identify as a cat. this i've been informed by my teenage daughter, is known as cat gender. there's a panda, gender and bear gender as well. i think you can work out what that identified identity is . the that identified identity is. the people he pointed out this nonsense was reprimand by the teacher. have a listen . i'll teacher. have a listen. i'll tell you , you just f c w i'll tell you , you just really upset tell you, you just really upset someone saying— tell you, you just really upset someone saying things like eheett— someone saying things like eheett he— someone saying things like should be in— someone saying things like should be in an— someone saying things like should be in an asylum. i should thht— should be in an asylum. i should thht tt— should be in an asylum. i should think if anyone—

should be in an asylum. i should think if anyone identifies a eeret— think if anyone identifies a carol something, then they're the— carol something, then they're like genuinely— carol something, then they're like genuinely unwell. they've eehe. — like genuinely unwell. they've aehe. veeh— like genuinely unwell. they've gone. yeah, that's— like genuinely unwell. they've gone. yeah, that's crazy . you gone. yeah, that's crazy. you eeehet— gone. yeah, that's crazy. you eeehet te— gone. yeah, that's crazy. you pushed to him— gone. yeah, that's crazy. you pushed to him that there ttehtttw— pushed to him that there identity wasn't a question i was teet— identity wasn't a question i was met eewhe— identity wasn't a question i was met eewhg eheet— identity wasn't a question i was just saying about the gender. i sett— just saying about the gender. i eett ehwthme— just saying about the gender. i said anything about them . so said anything about them. so there-e— said anything about them. so there-e entw— said anything about them. so there's only two— said anything about them. so there's only two genders if wee-re— there's only two genders if you're talking— there's only two genders if you're talking about the fact thet— you're talking about the fact thet ete— you're talking about the fact that cis gender— you're talking about the fact that cis gender is the norm , that cis gender is the norm, thet— that cis gender is the norm, thet vou— that cis gender is the norm, that you identify with the center,— that you identify with the gender, that— that you identify with the gender, that the sexual organs thet— gender, that the sexual organs thet wee-re— gender, that the sexual organs that you're born _ gender, that the sexual organs that you're born with, you're wetrt. — that you're born with, you're weird. that's— that you're born with, you're weird. that's basically what wee-re— weird. that's basically what wee saying-— weird. that's basically what you're saying. yeah. which is reettw— you're saying. yeah. which is really despicable . i'll wait for really despicable. i'll wait for reet. — really despicable. i'll wait for reet. tm— really despicable. i'll wait for real. i'm identifying- really despicable. i'll wait for real. : w; real. i'm identifying now as an elf, humpty dumpty is good, isn't it? and you ought to call me elf. humpty. yeah i mean, seriously, a teacher telling a pupil. oh, for not affirming this nonsense. is she feeling okay? really kemi badenoch is looking into this school circus . starmer tried to jump on the bandwagon as well. but remember, this is a man who could not say what a woman is. this is a man who could not say what a woman is . speaking of what a woman is. speaking of cats, musk and of course, cats, elon musk and of course, mark zuckerberg , two of the mark zuckerberg, two of the biggest fat cats, the world's

most high profile technology billionaires that we know of have agreed to fight each other in a cage match. musk posted a message on his social media platform, twitter, that he is up for a cage fight with mr zuckerberg. mr zuckerberg, the boss of facebook and instagram, parent company meta, then posted a screenshot of mr musk's tweet with captioned send me the with a captioned send me the location . right. well that's location. right. well that's what's coming up in the next houn what's coming up in the next hour. of course, i'll be speaking to comedian dan spencer with mock the week with mock the week. even. i keep getting that wrong. coming up at 320, wrong. then coming up at 320, it's climate control according to shapps to energy secretary grant shapps households to fit the households won't have to fit the bill the hydrogen industry bill for the hydrogen industry and spared the £120 net and will be spared the £120 net zero levy. what do you think ? is zero levy. what do you think? is that realistic? we know it's going be that in going to be more than that in real terms. it always is. then at i'll joined by former at 335, i'll be joined by former nato commander, rear admiral chris and submarine chris parry and former submarine commander david marquet to discuss voyage to the

discuss the doomed voyage to the titanic and the safety concerns surrounding the submersible. and then stay tuned 445. in my then stay tuned for 445. in my political spotlight because former liberal democrat leader and secretary vince and business secretary vince cable will be live in the studio to talk about the ins and outs of his life behind the walls of westminster. you won't want to miss that. that's coming up in the next hour. as ever. tell me what you think everything what you think on everything we're email gb views we're discussing. email gb views gb .com or tweet me at gb gb news .com or tweet me at gb news as . gb news .com or tweet me at gb news as. right. so it's time to mock the week. and joining me is comedian diane spencer. diane, thank you. oh, thank you so much for inviting me back. it's nice to see you. well, you're very funny. well, we'll start with the pretty sad story, though. the submersible. i mean, look , the submersible. i mean, look, would you get on something like that? i mean, you know, i'm very sad for the families. of course . but that clip of him laughing at the playstation controller, even he knew that it was ridiculous. it's an incredible

eeh— ridiculous. it's an incredible eert et— ridiculous. it's an incredible sort of clash— ridiculous. it's an incredible sort of clash of— . r: f it's an incredible sort of clash of overconfidence reetttw— sort of clash of overconfidence versus reality ._ sort of clash of overconfidence versus reality . i— sort of clash of overconfidence versus reality . i mean, you you versus reality. i mean, you you thew— versus reality. i mean, you you knew ,— versus reality. i mean, you you know , we've seen— versus reality. i mean, you you know , we've seen this coming out know, we've seen this coming out of know, we've seen this coming out et entrepre— know, we've seen this coming out of entrepre years. _ know, we've seen this coming out of entrepre years. we had tttzeheth— of entrepre years. we had elizabeth holmes who sort of sett— elizabeth holmes who sort of eett ehe— elizabeth holmes who sort of said she had— elizabeth holmes who sort of said she had this— elizabeth holmes who sort of said she had this revolutionary treet— said she had this revolutionary blood testing.— said she had this revolutionary blood testing. i— said she had this revolutionary blood testing. i remember the themes— blood testing. i remember the theranos scandal— blood testing. i remember the theranos scandal and that went herrthtw— theranos scandal and that went herrthtw wrehe— theranos scandal and that went horribly wrong. and then we have this horribly wrong. and then we have the mem— horribly wrong. and then we have this man who's— horribly wrong. and then we have this man who's like— horribly wrong. and then we have this man who's like , oh, no, my this man who's like, oh, no, my eeh— this man who's like, oh, no, my eeh te— this man who's like, oh, no, my eeh te ee— this man who's like, oh, no, my sub is so safe.— this man who's like, oh, no, my sub is so safe. it— this man who's like, oh, no, my sub is so safe. it won't it eeh-t— sub is so safe. it won't it eeh-t he— sub is so safe. it won't it can't be certified because it's so innovative— can't be certified because it's so innovative ._ can't be certified because it's so innovative . sir,- can't be certified because it's so innovative . sir, you're you so innovative. sir, you're you etterhe— so innovative. sir, you're you etterhe e— so innovative. sir, you're you are offering a commercial eheret— are offering a commercial eheret ter— are offering a commercial venture for people. you must hete— venture for people. you must hewe tt— venture for people. you must have it certify— venture for people. you must have it certify in— venture for people. you must have it certify in some way and do have it certify in some way and te wee— have it certify in some way and he wee thew— have it certify in some way and do you know what— have it certify in some way and do you know what there were? i threw— do you know what there were? i thht there— do you know what there were? i think there were _ do you know what there were? i think there were three dozen eermneretet— think there were three dozen commercial marshall deep sea the— commercial marshall deep sea dive companies— commercial marshall deep sea dive companies that actually wrete— dive companies that actually wrete te— dive companies that actually wrete te hr— dive companies that actually wrote to mr stockton rush and eerh— wrote to mr stockton rush and are, root,— wrote to mr stockton rush and said, look, it's— wrote to mr stockton rush and said, look, it's not— wrote to mr stockton rush and said, look, it's not just you. were— said, look, it's not just you. were e— said, look, it's not just you. we're a whole— said, look, it's not just you. we're a whole industry here and weere— we're a whole industry here and wee going— we're a whole industry here and wee going te— we're a whole industry here and you're going to give us a bad tt— you're going to give us a bad tt wee— you're going to give us a bad name if you don't— you're going to give us a bad name if you don't get this sub ereeertw— name if you don't get this sub properly checked— name if you don't get this sub properly checked over. and in answer to your— properly checked over. and in answer to your question, could i go answer to your question, could i 90 h— answer to your question, could i 90 th rte— answer to your question, could i ge he he ee— answer to your question, could i ge th tte he wee— answer to your question, could i go in it? do you know what? no, heee— go in it? do you know what? no, heee r.— go in it? do you know what? no, heee r. r— go in it? do you know what? no, because i. i carry— go in it? do you know what? no, because i. i carry so— go in it? do you know what? no, because i. i carry so much luggage— because i. i carry so much luggage with— because i. i carry so much luggage with me no matter where i go,— luggage with me no matter where r to, r— luggage with me no matter where r goe r eeetth-t— luggage with me no matter where i go, i couldn't fit— luggage with me no matter where i go, i couldn't fit all of my etett— i go, i couldn't fit all of my etett hte— i go, i couldn't fit all of my

stuff into that— i go, i couldn't fit all of my stuff into that sub like, stuff into that little sub like, twe— stuff into that little sub like, r-ve-eheet— stuff into that little sub like, i've -about six— stuff into that little sub like, i've about six handbags and i've got about six handbags and all i've got about six handbags and ett r— i've got about six handbags and ett r the— i've got about six handbags and ett r the wee— i've got about six handbags and all i did was come— i've got about six handbags and all i did was come in like, i eeh-t— all i did was come in like, i teh-t thew— all i did was come in like, i don't know about you. i need ewerwthme. — don't know about you. i needi everything. _cream, everything. i need sun cream, i meet— everything. i need sun cream, i need sandwiches,— everything. i need sun cream, i need sandwiches, so much. need sandwiches, i need so much. i need sandwiches, i need so much. r-ever— need sandwiches, i need so much. r-ewer pree— need sandwiches, i need so much. r-ewer tree heme— need sandwiches, i need so much. i-over prep nana you- need sandwiches, i need so much. i over prep nana you would i just over prep nana you would do i just over prep nana you would te thete — i just over prep nana you would te thete entw— i just over prep nana you would do that? only be— i just over prep nana you would do that? only be you- i just over prep nana you would do that? o w i just over prep nana you would do that? 0ch w cwrzrrz; do that? only be you in there. and the thing is, i think and the worst thing is, i think the worst bit is whether toilet we'd be on the toilet and then it facing the little window. we'd be on the toilet and then it like, cing the little window. we'd be on the toilet and then it like, ing the little window. we'd be on the toilet and then it like, i don't; little window. we'd be on the toilet and then it like, i don't want? window. we'd be on the toilet and then it like, i don't want to lindow. we'd be on the toilet and then it like, i don't want to do iow. i'm like, i don't want to do that. then watching, you that. and then watching, you know i'm like, i know that know that i'm like, i know that was bizarre, wasn't it? when i saw that, i said— was bizarre, wasn't it? when i saw that, i said to— was bizarre, wasn't it? when i saw that, i said to my- c c?’ when i saw that, i said to my husband, i saw that, i said to my husband, r eeh-t— saw that, i said to my husband, i can't believe— saw that, i said to my husband, i can't believe this. _ saw that, i said to my husband, i can't believe this. the wewhe— i can't believe this. the viewing—ii i can't believe this. the- viewing_| mean, on viewing window isn't i mean, on the tettet— viewing window isn't i mean, on the tettet. rt— viewing window isn't i mean, on the toilet. it would— viewing window isn't i mean, on the toilet. it would suit him. he the toilet. it would suit him. he teet— the toilet. it would suit him. he reet-wee— the toilet. it would suit him. he just you know what he just do, you know what i meet.— he just do, you know what i he— he just do, you know what i mean? helmean,- he just do, you know what i mean? he mean, bless him, he's mean? he i mean, bless him, he's a mean? he i mean, bless him, he's e-et— mean? he i mean, bless him, he's e-et-eehe— mean? he i mean, bless him, he's e-et-eehe te— mean? he i mean, bless him, he's e-et-eehe te he- mean? he i mean, bless him, he's a-of-going to be 50- a sort of he's going to be 50 the— a sort of he's going to be 50 the-amt— a sort of he's going to be 50 this-and once- a sort of he's going to be 50 this and once he's in the this year. and once he's in the hethreem— this year. and once he's in the hethreem, r— this year. and once he's in the bathroom, i mean,— this year. and once he's in the bathroom, i mean, he takes eeerwthhe— bathroom, i mean, he takes everything there. books, everything in there. books, teeter. — everything in there. books, laptop. trig : everything in there. books, laptop. trig laptop. everybody takes everything bathroom. everything into the bathroom. god. yeah. it's like literally actually, logic in that actually, there is logic in that bit. about the only bit bit. that's about the only bit that's i'm that's logical. now now i'm thinking it. it's going thinking about it. it's going into dam thinking he's into my arade dam thinking he's sort of right about that. and now talk about this wind now let's talk about this wind rush day. it's funny because rush day. and it's funny because people say to me, so people will say to me, oh, so you came on the windrush? no, my

parents the normal parents didn't. visa the normal thing, what i mean? but thing, you know what i mean? but what of trevor what do you make of trevor phillips so. trevor phillips comments? so. trevor phillips comments? so. trevor phillips trevor phillips phillips sir trevor phillips well, sir trevor phillips well, i find sir trevor phillips a articulate a very articulate and interesting i listen to interesting man, and i listen to a podcast he did all about this program he's made about program that he's made about windrush because he's like sort of 10th of a family of the 10th child of a family and nine of his siblings all came over on windrush and he's like the child that was born in england. it's like, yes , and you england. it's like, yes, and you thew— england. it's like, yes, and you knew wheth— england. it's like, yes, and you know what? when— 3: it's like, yes, and you know what? when you have eemehetw— know what? when you have somebody like _ know what? when you have somebody like him telling you thet—eh- that you've squandered an eeeertemtw— that you've squandered an eeeertemtw ,_ that you've squandered an opportunity , i'd listen because opportunity, i'd listen because as opportunity, i'd listen because ee wee— opportunity, i'd listen because ee wee thew,— opportunity, i'd listen because as you know, with obviously the seetttw— as you know, with obviously the seetttw teet— as you know, with obviously the spotify deal going down now as war,— spotify deal going down now as war, herrw— spotify deal going down now as war, herrw ehe— spotify deal going down now as well, harry and meghan are on the— well, harry and meghan are on this horrendous— well, harry and meghan are on this horrendous kind of cycle heee— this horrendous kind of cycle because now— this horrendous kind of cycle because now she's talking about rehremthe— because now she's talking about rehremthe .— because now she's talking about rebranding . oh,— because now she's talking about rebranding . oh, god. and i'm rebranding. oh, god. and i'm sowe— rebranding. oh, god. and i'm eerrw, het— rebranding. oh, god. and i'm sorrye tet he— rebranding. oh, god. and i'm sorrye tet he ,_ rebranding. oh, god. and i'm sorry, but no , because she's sorry, but no, because she's tetthe— sorry, but no, because she's talking about— sorry, but no, because she's talking about taking the surname seeheer. — talking about taking the surname seeheer. txeeee— talking about taking the surname spencer. excuse me . no, that is spencer. excuse me. no, that is my surname , madam. and i am my surname, madam. and i am etreetw— my surname, madam. and i am etreetw ginger— my surname, madam. and i am already ginger and difficult. we eeh-t— already ginger and difficult. we teh-t meet— already ginger and difficult. we teh-t meet ehw— already ginger and difficult. we don't need any more ginger. etttteett— don't need any more ginger. difficult people— don't need any more ginger. difficult people with the name seeheer— difficult people with the name seeheer het— difficult people with the name spencer, but yeah, she's in this

wette— spencer, but yeah, she's in this wetrt ewete— spencer, but yeah, she's in this wetrt ewete et— spencer, but yeah, she's in this weird cycle of kind of public eettem— weird cycle of kind of public action. then.— weird cycle of kind of public action. then. then she will thewtehtw— action. then. then she will inevitably attack the press . so inevitably attack the press. so it's inevitably attack the press. so he ee— inevitably attack the press. so he ge tethe— inevitably attack the press. so it's go public action, attack the— it's go public action, attack the tree— it's go public action, attack the press. then— it's go public action, attack the press. then there'll be some the— the press. then there'll be some the et— the press. then there'll be some kind of victim— the press. then there'll be some kind of victim statement and them— kind of victim statement and them ehe-tt— kind of victim statement and then she'll rebrand . and she's then she'll rebrand. and she's teet— then she'll rebrand. and she's teet h— then she'll rebrand. and she's reet th the— then she'll rebrand. and she's just in this kind— then she'll rebrand. and she's just in this kind of insane ewete— just in this kind of insane ewete weexrt — just in this kind of insane cycle vortex, isn't it? it is. het— cycle vortex, isn't it? it is. het ewerw— cycle vortex, isn't it? it is. but every time— cycle vortex, isn't it? it is. but every time they rebrand, are thew— but every time they rebrand, are thew giving— but every time they rebrand, are thew giving ee— but every time they rebrand, are they giving us anything new or are they giving us anything new or thew— they giving us anything new or are they literally— they giving us anything new or are they literally just sort of changing— are they literally just sort of ehehamg the— are they literally just sort of changing the spectacles they're wearing?— changing the spectacles they're weerhee tee — changing the spectacles they're wearing? do you— changing the spectacles they're wearing? do you know what i thre— wearing? do you know what i mean? this is— wearing? do you know what i mean? this is not- wearing? do you know what i mean? w git mean? this is not they've got nothing else to say. and actually, effectively actually, i think effectively they're quite boring. they're actually quite boring. so without of glow of so without the sort of glow of the family which would the royal family which i would if me and i would if it were me and i would charles, i'd take harry out of the line of succession, just frankly because for frankly because he's not fit for it. don't think he you know, it. i don't think he you know, he's wouldn't go he's not people wouldn't go along with him if he became any sort of. king yeah. so i think i'd him out. then we i'd take him out. and then we move to the next story. move on to the next story. i mean, what did what did you make of was it, the cat of that? what was it, the cat thing? the cat? well, i was just in thing? the cat? well, i was just th e— thing? the cat? well, i was just th e ht— thing? the cat? well, i was just th e ttt trwhe— thing? the cat? well, i was just th e ttt trwha te— thing? the cat? well, i was just in a fit trying to work- wrg?’ the cat? well, i was just in a fit trying to work out what on in a fit trying to work out what eh eerth— in a fit trying to work out what on earth -were. _ in a fit trying to work out what on earth -were. iwas- in a fit trying to work out what on earth were. was like, on earth you were. i was like, i eeh-t— on earth you were. i was like, i teh-t thew— on earth you were. i was like, i don't know what— on earth you were. i was like, i don't know what she was. that's

all don't know what she was. that's ett r— don't know what she was. that's ett r eeete— don't know what she was. that's all i could find— don't know what she was. that's all i could find in the christmas box. i couldn't find ehwthhe— christmas box. i couldn't find ehwthma etee. — christmas box. i couldn't find anything else. that's- i couldn't find anything else. that's all the three— anything else. that's all the thhe r— anything else. that's all the thing i wanted— anything else. that's all the thing i wanted is because miaow ehett— thing i wanted is because miaow ehett eur— thing i wanted is because miaow ehett our ett— thing i wanted is because miaow shall dup did a— thing i wanted is because miaow shall dup did a really fabulous thhe— shall dup did a really fabulous three-ehe— shall dup did a really fabulous thhe-ehe wee— shall dup did a really fabulous thing she was brilliant, but thing and she was brilliant, but i_anw_ thing and she was brilliant, but r—ehw eet— thing and she was brilliant, but r—ehw eet eere- thing and she was brilliant, but i_any cat ears, so. i didn't have any cat ears, so tm— i didn't have any cat ears, so i'm _egg- i i didn't have any cat ears, so. i'm _egg- egg i'm identifying as an egg. egg tetr— i'm identifying as an egg. egg rem-rt— i'm identifying as an egg. egg tetr-rt we— i'm identifying as an egg. egg fair-it was just- fair enough. it was just a beautiful moment just to see nana. you know. journalist nana. akua you know. journalist you've so many things. you've done so many things. you're going, know what you're going, i don't know what i identify . was fun. i identify. it was quite fun. well, i used to be a secondary school teacher and i was in charge of 26 little wind up merchants because that's what kids i can imagine that kids are. and i can imagine that if i still a teacher, i if i was still a teacher, i would have enough genders in there. i'd have noah's ark in my classroom, i'd have animals of all because i can't help all sorts, because i can't help feeling child took it feeling that this child took it to extreme . um, and then the to an extreme. um, and then the unfortunate . unfortunately, it's unfortunate. unfortunately, it's the teacher that's madness, isn't it? and told off another ehttt— isn't it? and told off another ehttt ter— isn't it? and told off another child for applying— c c?’ and told off another child for applying logic to the etteetteh— child for applying logic to the situation and— child for applying logic to the situation and saying that there-e— situation and saying that there's_wrong| there's something wrong with thet— there's something wrong with that-genuinely- there's something wrong with that genuinely think that kid. they genuinely think thet— that kid. they genuinely think thet thew-re— that kid. they genuinely think thet thew-re e— that kid. they genuinely think that they're a cat. 4.3; w ' wt: that they're a cat. yeah. and the— that they're a cat. yeah. and the most alarming thing is that the most alarming thing is that the zero the teacher showed zero capability for and capability for debate and reasoning. that's capability for debate and reasoning . that's what we've got

reasoning. that's what we've got to reasoning. that's what we've got te teet— reasoning. that's what we've got to look forward— reasoning. that's what we've got to look forward to. _ w wrg that's what we've got to look forward to. that's the thet-e— to look forward to. that's the thet-e ett, — to look forward to. that's the that's all, folks.— to look forward to. that's the that's all, folks. _ to look forward to. that's the that's all, folks. �*ftt�*w? that's all, folks. what's the time? that's all, folks. what's the ttmee were— that's all, folks. what's the time? we're running- that's all, folks. “fl“? u , we're running out that's all, folks. �*ftt�*w? c wwrzi;7 we're running out of time. time? we're running out of time. so time? we're running out of time. se hete— time? we're running out of time. se hewe we— time? we're running out of time. se hewe we get— c wwrzi;7 we're running out of time. so have we got anything else? verw— so have we got anything else? verw therew— so have we got anything else? very briefly, our— so have we got anything else? very briefly, our love. yeah verw— very briefly, our love. yeah eerw hrtettw. — very briefly, our love. yeah very briefly. we've got the heht— very briefly. we've got the ttaht heht— very briefly. we've got the fight night that you i, fight night that you and i, going— fight night that you and i, we're going get tickets for we're going to get tickets for the. — we're going to get tickets for the. were— we're going to get tickets for this. we're going- we're going to get tickets for this. we're going to- we're going to get tickets for this. grit wrg grit ?wr: this. we're going to go and watch two tech billionaires take lumps other . watch two tech billionaires take lumps other. it's lumps out of each other. it's not to happen. they're not going to happen. they're like, not going to happen. they're the, theme— not going to happen. they're like, probably sleepy.- grit wrg they're like, probably sleepy. joe's ttahtme. — like, probably sleepy. joe's fighting. it'll— like, probably sleepy. joe's fighting. it'll probably the fighting. it'll probably be the meet— fighting. it'll probably be the meet-heht— fighting. it'll probably be the most fight ever. 4:3. fighting. it'll probably be the- most-fight ever. you know most boring fight ever. you know whet— most boring fight ever. you know whet-wett— most boring fight ever. you know whet-wrete r— most boring fight ever. you know what well, i can imagine what i mean? well, i can imagine that. i know mark that. like, i know mark zuckerberg does but zuckerberg does jujitsu, but because he's zuckerberg, is because he's mark zuckerberg, is anybody to attack anybody really going to attack him? you know i mean? him? do you know what i mean? what he takes elon what if he really takes out elon treet— what if he really takes out elon meet-verw— what if he really takes out elon musk very embarrassing musk in a very embarrassing n..— musk in a very embarrassing manner? no, no,- musk in a very embarrassing manner? ne w musk in a very embarrassing- manner? n0, n0,-el0n musk manner? no, no, no. elon musk has psycho gene. do you has got the psycho gene. do you know mean? like, he's know what i mean? like, he's actually whereas actually crazy, whereas zuckerberg like, clever zuckerberg is just, like, clever and i reckon, like, and boring. so i reckon, like, if this prison rules, all my if this was prison rules, all my money's on musk. your money's on meet.— money's on musk. your money's on meet-wee— money's on musk. your money's on meet-wee verw— money's on musk. your money's on meet-wee verw mech- eeg r:::rw your money's on musk. you very much. diane musk. thank you very much. diane seeheer— musk. thank you very much. diane spencere verw— musk. thank you very much. diane spencere eerw teet— musk. thank you very much. diane spencer, very good to see you. when— spencer, very good to see you. when-wee— spencer, very good to see you. rrheh-wee meet— spencer, very good to see you. when-you next on- spencer, very good to see you. when you next on headliners? when are you next on headliners? oh, when are you next on headliners? oh-hext— when are you next on headliners? oh-mext eh— when are you next on headliners? oh,-next on actually- when are you next on headliners? oh,-next on actually on- oh, i am next on actually on free nation andrew free speech nation with andrew doyle wondrous. doyle tomorrow. nice wondrous. we to that. thank we look forward to that. thank you— we look forward to that. thank wee verw— we look forward to that. thank wee eerw mech— we look forward to that. thank you very much. spencer, you very much. diane spencer, tree— you very much. diane spencer,

tree sheeeh— you very much. diane spencer, free speech nation 27 and nine here—thre- free speech nation 27 and nine here—the te- free speech nation 27 and nine here—this is gb. here on gb news. this is gb newe— here on gb news. this is gb weee-twe— here on gb news. this is gb news.-live on- here on gb news. this is gb news. _live on tv,- here on gb news. this is gb news. live on tv, online news. we're live on tv, online ehe— news. we're live on tv, online eet-rette. — news. we're live on tv, online eet-rette. -te- news. we're live on tv, onlinei and-radio.-to some and digital radio. now to some treethe— breaking news. russia's ereetteht— president pledged decisive eetteh—thel president pledged decisive- action_the leader action as he accused the leader of action as he accused the leader et-rreeher— action as he accused the leader of wagner mercenary group of of the wagner mercenary group of teeee— of the wagner mercenary group of teeee ehe— of the wagner mercenary group of treason and armed— of the wagner mercenary group of treason and armed mutiny. vtettmtr— treason and armed mutiny. vladimir-is- treason and armed mutiny.i vladimir-is-the vladimir putin is calling the eettehe— vladimir putin is calling the eettehe et— vladimir putin is calling the actions of military group actions of the military group a etet— actions of the military group a etehlthe— actions of the military group a stab lthe back— actions of the military group a stab the back after stab in the back after rebellious— stab in the back after rebellious russian mercenaries hete— rebellious russian mercenaries hewe-eehtret— rebellious russian mercenaries have _control. sites - rebellious russian mercenaries have control sites into have taken control of sites into teeeteh— have taken control of sites into russian cities— have taken control of sites into russian cities and— have taken control of sites into russian cities and appear to be heethe— russian cities and appear to be heethelthe— russian cities and appear to be heading the capital. well, heading to the capital. well, tet-e— heading to the capital. well, tet-e-te— heading to the capital. well, let's-to moscow. heading to the capital. well,l let's-to moscow and let's now cross to moscow and etteet— let's now cross to moscow and eeeetlteeeteh— let's now cross to moscow and speak russian journalist speak to russian journalist ateeet— speak to russian journalist alexei-thank- speak to russian journalist. alexei-thank-very alexei alexei. thank you very mech— alexei alexei. thank you very meeh ter— alexei alexei. thank you very much for joining— alexei alexei. thank you very much forjoining me. so talk to much for joining me. so talk to me etteet— much for joining me. so talk to me about what— much for joining me. so talk to me about what is— much for joining me. so talk to me about what is going on there at me about what is going on there et-memeht.— me about what is going on there et-memeht. we— me about what is going on there at moment. we well, nana at the moment. we well, nana heeteettw,— at the moment. we well, nana basically, people— at the moment. we well, nana basically, people are just going to basically, people are just going te wett— basically, people are just going te wert ehe— basically, people are just going to work and the— basically, people are just going to work and the life is going on as to work and the life is going on ee eeeet het— to work and the life is going on as usual. but there- to work and the life is going on as usual. but there is- to work and the life is going on as usual. but there is this state of anxiety and there's a lot of russians. i haven't slept a bit this night. i was just scrolling the news and in the beginning nobody could believe that that basically one branch of the russian army is fighting another. and we thought it another. and we all thought it was and it just looks was a joke. and it just looks like some absurd circus. you know, it's the graduation day in russia. so a lot of students, they are celebrating. and you

can see pictures of girls in beautiful dresses with tanks and armed men in the background . and armed men in the background. and the chef of the wagner group, he has said that they have already shut down a few russian army helicopters and some sources are saying that they are literally less than 500km away from moscow. so if they continue at the same rate, we should be awaiting them here in the city by night. and obviously they are taking action. authorities are taken action. russian president vladimir putin said that they will take anything to restore the constitutional order and we have already seen some military vehicles here on the streets and there is a lot of law enforcement in the state of emergency has been announced due to the counter—terrorist operation. and basically now they are just checking documents and on some streets, even creating barricades . so people creating barricades. so people are the wagner people to come . are the wagner people to come. so people are getting ready for eetehttet— so people are getting ready for potential fight— so people are getting ready for potential fight in— so people are getting ready for

potential fight in moscow . that potential fight in moscow. that eeett— potential fight in moscow. that eeett he— potential fight in moscow. that could be actual— potential fight in moscow. that could be actual war in the etreete— could be actual war in the etreete et— could be actual war in the streets of moscow. are you i whet— streets of moscow. are you i mean, what are— streets of moscow. are you i mean, what are people saying etreet— mean, what are people saying eheet three— mean, what are people saying about this? because a lot of the ttme— about this? because a lot of the ttme whet— about this? because a lot of the ttme whet wee— about this? because a lot of the time what you get— about this? because a lot of the time what you get fed is often ttttereht— time what you get fed is often ttttereht te — time what you get fed is often different to what— time what you get fed is often different to what we see in this eeemtrw— different to what we see in this eeehtrw. are — different to what we see in this country. are people now actually et— country. are people now actually aware of what's— country. are people now actually aware of what's happening and the teet— aware of what's happening and the fact that— aware of what's happening and the fact that russia invaded etrethee— the fact that russia invaded etrethee re— the fact that russia invaded ukraine? is that— the fact that russia invaded ukraine? is that what people thht— ukraine? is that what people thht ew— ukraine? is that what people think now russia ? will think now in russia? well, you can see people behind me just like walking calmly , minding like walking calmly, minding their business this morning i spoke to my family and they're far from politics. they they have no idea about what's going on. they at first they were like, what is happening? has has ukraine captured rostov on, don? well, in fact, it's the wagner group that controls some some buildings on rostov, on don, which is a key strategic point because this is exactly the city from which the special military operation this is where the commandeers the russian commandeers the russian commandeers are now. wagner has taken control and their next goal taken control and their next goal, their next target is moscow. so can there be fights on the streets of moscow? i hope

not. but this is what we are preparing for right now, getting constructing those barricades and the problem is that those people , the wagner people, they people, the wagner people, they are coming directly from their front lines . so they have a lot front lines. so they have a lot of combat experience . and of of combat experience. and of course, they outnumber by law enforcement and by the russian army. but the russian army, those who are here in moscow , those who are here in moscow, they don't have the same combat experience as wagner troops. so they can seen as a very, they can be seen as a very, very mighty force. is there a lot of support for the war in russia . support for the war in russia. well, first of all, we go with the— well, first of all, we go with the eeeetet— well, first of all, we go with the special military operation. otherwtee.— the special military operation. otherwise, otherwise- the special military operation. otherwise, otherwise ,- the special military operation. otherwise, otherwise, you can be sanction ed and i wouldn't say it's just it's a complicated situation. no, it's just very frustrating, to say the least. what is happening in russia right now, that's that's about it. well alexei, thank you very much for talking to us. i know it's obviously quite— w.rtw wrg at; i know it's obviously quite dangerous for it's obviously quite dangerous ter wee— it's obviously quite dangerous ter wee te— it's obviously quite dangerous ter wee te he— it's obviously quite dangerous for you to be talking to us with

reeert— for you to be talking to us with reeert te— for you to be talking to us with reoert re the. — for you to be talking to us with regard to this. we— for you to be talking to us with regard to this. we appreciate you— regard to this. we appreciate wee giving— regard to this. we appreciate wee giving ee— regard to this. we appreciate you giving us the update on whet-e— you giving us the update on where going— you giving us the update on what's going on. take care of weereett. — what's going on. take care of yourself. hopefully catch what's going on. take care of y0lwith. hopefully catch what's going on. take care of y0lwith you hopefully catch what's going on. take care of y0lwith you laterpefully catch what's going on. take care of y0lwith you later on ully catch what's going on. take care of y0lwith you later on iny catch what's going on. take care of y0lwith you later on in the tch up with you later on in the ehew. — up with you later on in the ehew. thet— up with you later on in the show. that-of- up with you later on in the show. that of course, show. that is, of course, a teeeteh— show. that is, of course, a russian journalist, alexei. he's tetthe— russian journalist, alexei. he's tetthelee— russian journalist, alexei. he's talking-us live— russian journalist, alexei. he's talking-us live in- russian journalist, alexei. he's talking us live in moscow. talking to us live in moscow. wtth— talking to us live in moscow. wtth-the- talking to us live in moscow. with _the wagner. talking to us live in moscow.- with-the wagner group with regard to the wagner group who with regard to the wagner group whe-methe— with regard to the wagner group whe-methe-wew- with regard to the wagner group who making way towards who are making their way towards treee— who are making their way towards treeeewle— who are making their way towards treeeewle e— who are making their way towards moscow,-is a gb— who are making their way towards moscow, is a gb news tv, moscow, this is a gb news on tv, ehthe— moscow, this is a gb news on tv, ehthe ehe— moscow, this is a gb news on tv, online and-digital— moscow, this is a gb news on tv, online and digital radio. i'm online and on digital radio. i'm heme— online and on digital radio. i'm heme-teet— nana akua. it's fast approaching. 24 minutes after etee,— approaching. 24 minutes after etee-twe— approaching. 24 minutes after etee-the .— approaching. 24 minutes after 3:00,-live . still- approaching. 24 minutes after 3:00, live . still to come, 3:00, we're live. still to come, r-tt— 3:00, we're live. still to come, he he— 3:00, we're live. still to come, he he termed— 3:00, we're live. still to come, i'll be joined by— 3:00, we're live. still to come, i'll be joined by former nato commander, admiral chris commander, rear admiral chris rerrw— commander, rear admiral chris eeew-hermet— commander, rear admiral chris parry former submarine parry and former submarine commander david marquet to theme— commander david marquet to tteeeee the— commander david marquet to discuss the doomed voyage of the theme— discuss the doomed voyage of the tttehte wreck— discuss the doomed voyage of the titanic wreck site— discuss the doomed voyage of the titanic wreck site and the eetetw— titanic wreck site and the safety concerns- titanic wreck site and the safety concerns surrounding eehmerethte— safety concerns surrounding submersible. but before that, it's submersible. but before that, he ettmete— submersible. but before that, it's climate control. households are it's climate control. households eet— it's climate control. households eet te— it's climate control. households are set to avoid— it's climate control. households are set to avoid footing the httt— are set to avoid footing the htttlthe— are set to avoid footing the bill the hydrogen industry bill for the hydrogen industry ehe— bill for the hydrogen industry eht wtth— bill for the hydrogen industry eht wttt he— bill for the hydrogen industry and will be spared a £120 to net teew— and will be spared a £120 to net teww. stew— and will be spared a £120 to net zero levy. stay tuned . we'll zero levy. stay tuned. we'll tteeeee—

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we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now, before the break, we were discussing this week's top stories. let's see what you've been lots of what you've been saying. lots of conversation about that. listen, we'll back to that, we'll come back to that, but keep messages coming. gb keep your messages coming. gb views .com right now, views gb news .com right now, according energy secretary according to energy secretary grant i want to move on grant shapps. i want to move on to because we're to the story because we're heading the news heading towards the news quite quickly. won't have quickly. households won't have to fit the bill for the hydrogen industry and they're going to be spared the £120 net zero levy now, he said that there are the other ways that the government can fund its net zero agenda rather than place further financial burden on struggling families. the last families. and over the last yean families. and over the last year, energy bills have soared due to russia's invasion of ukraine and that's amid high inflation rates. so how will the government fit the bill for the green energy agenda? let's discuss director of cop26 , discuss with director of cop26, lewis perry and senior meteorologist jim dale. right. lewis perry, i'm going to start with you. £120 seems like a it's not that much, but it's something. yeah, well, when you add something. yeah, well, when you ett tt— something. yeah, well, when you ett tt te— something. yeah, well, when you

ett tt te the— something. yeah, well, when you add it to the 10— something. yeah, well, when you add it to the 10 billion- wrg yeah, well, when you add it to the 10 billion direct eehetttee— add it to the 10 billion direct subsidies on— add it to the 10 billion direct subsidies on green stuff and them— subsidies on green stuff and them zo— subsidies on green stuff and then 20 billion— subsidies on green stuff and then 20 billion in direct that etreetw— then 20 billion in direct that we're already paying on top as you— we're already paying on top as wee save— we're already paying on top as you say, inflation— we're already paying on top as you say, inflation and cost of herme— you say, inflation and cost of theme hw— you say, inflation and cost of theme hw the— you say, inflation and cost of living by the energy prices going— living by the energy prices going up— living by the energy prices going ee ehe— living by the energy prices going up and then the actual eeet— going up and then the actual eeet et— going up and then the actual eeet et teet— going up and then the actual cost of fuel going up. e. cost of fuel going up. you know . rze— cost of fuel going up. you know . rze te— cost of fuel going up. you know . no he teet— cost of fuel going up. you know , 120 is just, you know , the , 120 is just, you know, the straw that broke the camel's back. but it's very interesting on the back of some polling that's been done recently in the sun, actually, that said that that people the majority of people actually put the cost of living as more important than net zero targets. and we've also done car 26 have done some polling as well in conjunction with the heartland institute in america, which shows that those opposing climate lockdowns has gone up substantially . and those gone up substantially. and those who last year strongly supported climate lockdowns has actually reduced by 20. so, you know , reduced by 20. so, you know, jim, jim looks kind of bored. jim, jim looks kind of bored. jim , what's wrong? you look jim, what's wrong? you look retthhe— jim, what's wrong? you look rolling weer— jim, what's wrong? you look rolling your eyes back. afternoon _ rolling your eyes back. afternoon c: w rolling your eyes back.- afternoon good afternoon. good afternoon. i'm listening to the

figures and to be honest, a lot of this is baloney. there was a this is a yougov survey. this is a yougov survey. _ this is a yougov survey. this is a yougov survey. £20 in a eeet-ee— a yougov survey. £20 in a second. um but the poll that really counts was the one in the uk when people took the local elections and that showed quite quite graphically when they were asked they out of the asked when they came out of the polling station, do they believe in net zero moving towards it? and just over that and it was just over 70% that did. was a rump of did. and there was a rump of about 10% that did not and everybody else was in between. so can in the uk it's so you can see in the uk it's heavily weighted as £120 heavily weighted as far as £120 is concerned. and not too is concerned. and not to go too far with this , but this might be far with this, but this might be two a row that i've two weeks in a row that i've agreed with. lois in terms of whether or not we should be putting onto backs of putting that onto the backs of the public, the answer the general public, the answer is we should not. this is is no, we should not. this is the government messing around and far right and kowtowing to the far right wing of the tory party excuse me. and that's the reason that they're wobbling around and not going very far very quickly. it needs a change. and i just ask

lois, this . if there is going to lois, this. if there is going to be a £20 levy put on shouldn't shouldn't be directed at the fossil fuel industries. the ones that have actually caused the problems in the first place, the ones that are making the so the fossil fuel industry, which is responsible having cheap responsible for us having cheap and and actually and abundant energy and actually , you know, the wheels of commerce turning and people not freezing their own freezing to death in their own homes, that that fossil fuel industry. do you know what, jim? the industry. do you know what, jim? the-he— industry. do you know what, jim? the-he ht— industry. do you know what, jim? the-he ht we— industry. do you know what, jim? the-is, if we do— industry. do you know what, jim? the-is, if we do all- industry. do you know what, jim? the-is, if we do all the- the thing is, if we do all the these— the thing is, if we do all the thhmoe thet— the thing is, if we do all the things that you— the thing is, if we do all the things that you want and we're going— things that you want and we're tether-the— things that you want and we're going the blackouts, going to have the blackouts, w-erete— going to have the blackouts, we're _to have - going to have the blackouts, we're to have climate we're going to have climate teettewme— we're going to have climate lockdowns going we're going to have climate lockdowns-going end lockdowns and we're going to end up lockdowns and we're going to end we wtth— lockdowns and we're going to end ee whth whth— lockdowns and we're going to end ee whth whth e— lockdowns and we're going to end up with with a dim— lockdowns and we're going to end up with with a dim jail, which hmehtemtettw— up with with a dim jail, which incidentally, is— up with with a dim jail, which incidentally, is spoonerism of incidentally, is a spoonerism of weer— incidentally, is a spoonerism of weer . ht— incidentally, is a spoonerism of your name . it is,— incidentally, is a spoonerism of your name . c your name. it is, actually. yeah, sure. where are you getting that information? this one i prepared earlier. scare stowe— one i prepared earlier. scare eterw. he— one i prepared earlier. scare eterw. he he— one i prepared earlier. scare story, to be honest one i prepared earlier. t you think story, to be honest. you think it's a story, to be honest. you think he e eeee— story, to be honest. you think it's a scare story— story, to be honest. you think it's a scare story ?_ you think it's a scare story ? okay, so it's a scare story? okay, so tet-e— it's a scare story? okay, so tet-e teth— it's a scare story? okay, so let's talk about— it's a scare story? okay, so let's talk about hydrogen then , let's talk about hydrogen then, teee— let's talk about hydrogen then, because hydrogen seems to be the thew-re— because hydrogen seems to be the thew-re going— because hydrogen seems to be the they're going towards that . they're going towards that. rehe— they're going towards that. tehe he— they're going towards that. lois, is that— they're going towards that. lois, is that a— they're going towards that. lois, is that a wise move at ette — lois, is that a wise move at ette wett— lois, is that a wise move at all? well, do— lois, is that a wise move at all? well, do you- lois, is that a wise move at all? r:r:::r lois, is that a wise move at- all? well, do you know what the only thing that you can do to make hydrogen safe is to add another component to it. and

guess what? that component is called carbon. and then guess what? actually gas what? that's actually called gas . so why don't we just stick with with what got moving with with what we've got moving towards hydrogen, it's another gravy train . it won't work gravy train. it won't work without subsidies. you know, the whole is, is part of the whole thing is, is part of the big green racket. and that's who you should be directing your anger towards . jim. the big anger towards. jim. the big green racket. not the big oil racket. no i'll tell you what. racket. n0 i'll tell you what. vee— racket. n0 i'll tell you what. wee eheett— racket. n0 i'll tell you what. you should be— t ne i'll tell you what. you should be directing your eheer— you should be directing your eheer te— you should be directing your enter to ehe— you should be directing your anger to, and that is the lack of anger to, and that is the lack et eemet— anger to, and that is the lack of movement by— anger to, and that is the lack of movement by this government and of movement by this government eht ether— of movement by this government and other governments throughout the werte. — and other governments throughout the werte. het— and other governments throughout the world. not all— and other governments throughout the world. not all them the world. not all of them tetew— the world. not all of them tetew. hhhe— the world. not all of them tetew. hhhe e— the world. not all of them today. this a couple of days ago,— today. this a couple of days eeeleew— today. this a couple of days eeeleew the— today. this a couple of days ago, saw the highest 2023 ago, we saw the highest 2023 temeeretere— ago, we saw the highest 2023 temperature in— ago, we saw the highest 2023 temperature in shattered in rethetem— temperature in shattered in pakistan, 50.8. _ temperature in shattered in pakistan, 50.8. we're going to see some absolute stonking temperatures— see some absolute stonking temperatures in— see some absolute stonking temperatures in the next week or so temperatures in the next week or ee eemhhe— temperatures in the next week or ee eemhhe eet— temperatures in the next week or so coming out of— temperatures in the next week or so coming out of the middle eeet.— so coming out of the middle eeet. the— so coming out of the middle east. the weather's train hteett. — east. the weather's train itself. these— east. the weather's train itself. these are the ongoing thhhee— itself. these are the ongoing thhhee et— itself. these are the ongoing things of climate change. rheteree— things of climate change. pictures in— things of climate change. pictures in germany this week hete— pictures in germany this week hewe hege— pictures in germany this week have huge floods. we're in june . were— have huge floods. we're in june . were met— have huge floods. we're in june . we're not even— have huge floods. we're in june .we're not even in— have huge floods. we're in june . we're not even in july and .we're not even in july and aeeeet. — .we're not even in july and august. dumas— .we're not even in july and august. dumas can i just say thet— august. dumas can i just say that obviously— august. dumas can i just say that obviously the less we put on our heating,—

that obviously the less we put on our heating, surely that's better— on our heating, surely that's better ter— on our heating, surely that's better for carbon— on our heating, surely that's better for carbon emissions? so the teet— better for carbon emissions? so the teet thet— better for carbon emissions? so the fact that we're— better for carbon emissions? so the fact that we're warming up could be. i don't see why it's such a bad thing it could such a bad thing and it could simply just a cycle the simply be just a cycle of the planet. lois yeah, well, simply be just a cycle of the planet. lois yeah, well , richard planet. lois yeah, well, richard tice made an excellent point earlier the there are earlier that the there are record cold temperatures in other parts of the world that are not being taken on board. and you look at averages, not teet— and you look at averages, not teet thet— and you look at averages, not we thet ht— and you look at averages, not just that it was— and you look at averages, not just that it was a— and you look at averages, not just that it was a bit hot here or just that it was a bit hot here ere heht— just that it was a bit hot here ere hht het— just that it was a bit hot here or a bit hot here— just that it was a bit hot here or a bit hot here there. and you thew.— or a bit hot here there. and you thew. ee— or a bit hot here there. and you thew. ee heme— or a bit hot here there. and you know, as nana and— or a bit hot here there. and you know, as nana and i and you thew.— know, as nana and i and you thew. ehe— know, as nana and i and you know, and even— know, as nana and i and you know, and even you have acknowledged - know, and even you have acknowledged him proper records were—teteh- acknowledged him proper records were—teteh hh| were only started to be taken in the teet— were only started to be taken in the last hundred— were only started to be taken in the last hundred years. so final thet— the last hundred years. so final thet hee— the last hundred years. so final final 10s kathy— the last hundred years. so final final 10s kathy gyngell richard the.— final 10s kathy gyngell richard the. hw— final 10s kathy gyngell richard the. hw the— final 10s kathy gyngell richard the. hw the we.— final 10s kathy gyngell richard tice, by the way, is not mean. hee— tice, by the way, is not mean. we e— tice, by the way, is not mean. we e ehhet— tice, by the way, is not mean. he's a chief meteorologist- tice, by the way, is not mean. he's a chief meteorologist . what he's a chief meteorologist. what is he? because to me, he's nothing. he his science all nothing. he gets his science all wrong . he takes feeds and he and wrong. he takes feeds and he and he these out. so, he spouts these things out. so, you know , a long time coming. you know, a long time coming. richard giving truthful information. what can i just say? richard's not here to teteht— say? richard's not here to defend himself,- 7 richard's not here to defend himself, so let's not teth— defend himself, so let's not tett etreet— defend himself, so let's not talk about-in- defend himself, so let's not. talk about-in-way. talk about richard in that way. but talk about richard in that way. het thetem— talk about richard in that way. but listen,.that_ talk about richard in that way. but listen, that bombshell, but listen, on that bombshell, jim but listen, on that bombshell, rhm —wee- but listen, on that bombshell, the —wee verw- but listen, on that bombshell,i jim _you very much. jim dale, thank you very much. amt—etreeterl and also lewis perry, director of and also lewis perry, director et—te— and also lewis perry, director et—te teth- and also lewis perry, director et—te tett tel and also lewis perry, directori of_to talk to you of cop26. good to talk to you heth. —

of cop26. good to talk to you heth. theht— of cop26. good to talk to you both. right. it's— of cop26. good to talk to you both. right. it's just of cop26. good to talk to you both. right. it'sjust coming both. right. it's just coming up to both. right. it's just coming up te—etter— both. right. it's just coming up to_after 3:00.- both. right. it's just coming up to_after 3:00. thisi to 34 minutes after 3:00. this is to 34 minutes after 3:00. this he eh— to 34 minutes after 3:00. this he he newe— to 34 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news-tv,— to 34 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news tv, online and on is gb news on tv, online and on thehtet— is gb news on tv, online and on thohtet rethe. — is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm— is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. sthtt— digital radio. i'm nana akua. sthtt te— digital radio. i'm nana akua. still to come,— digital radio. i'm nana akua. still to come, the titanic five. i'll still to come, the titanic five. h-ttltehhet— still to come, the titanic five. h-ttlrehhet hw— still to come, the titanic five. i'll joined by former i'll be joined by former submarine— i'll be joined by former- submarine—david submarine commander david hereeet— submarine commander david . marquet—doomed marquet to discuss the doomed weweee— marquet to discuss the doomed weweee -eetetw- marquet to discuss the doomed voyage safety concerns voyage and the safety concerns eerreehthhe— voyage and the safety concerns surrounding submersible. but surrounding the submersible. but thet.— surrounding the submersible. but thet-weer— surrounding the submersible. but first,-your latest- first, let's get your latest news headlines . first, let's get your latest- news headlines . thank you very news headlines. thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom . the leader of the gb newsroom. the leader of the gb newsroom. the leader of the wagner mercenary group says russian helicopter fighters have opened fire on a convoy of his forces as the march towards moscow. it's after yevgeny prigozhin claimed to have taken control of russia's southern military headquarters in the rostov . he's accused russia's rostov. he's accused russia's military chiefs of attacking his forces and lying to justify the war in ukraine. the prime minister, rishi sunak, is in touch with allies and the government is reportedly holding an emergency cobra meeting later today. well, russia's president putin accuses the leader of the

mercenary group of treason and armed mutiny . any internal armed mutiny. any internal termeht— armed mutiny. any internal termeht he— armed mutiny. any internal termeht he e— armed mutiny. any internal turmoil is a mortal- : wye any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood. _ turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood. at; turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood. c.5 w our statehood. to us as a nation , this is a blow to russia, to our people, our actions to protect the homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those who deliberately took the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed , who took path armed mutiny, who took the path of blackmail and terrorist methods, suffer an methods, will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both the law to and answer both to the law to and our people . a team of cft our people. a team of cft investigators are on board the main support ship of the titan submersible after it returned to the harbour following the deep sea vessel's fatal implosion. flags on board the polar prince et— flags on board the polar prince et heht— flags on board the polar prince were at half mast— flags on board the polar prince were at half mast as it arrived at were at half mast as it arrived et the— were at half mast as it arrived et the hert— were at half mast as it arrived et the pert hm— were at half mast as it arrived at the port in saint johns herheer— at the port in saint johns harbour this— at the port in saint johns harbour this morning. five peepte— harbour this morning. five peepte wee— harbour this morning. five people were killed in the hhehteht— people were killed in the incident near— people were killed in the incident near the wreckage of the theme— incident near the wreckage of the hhtehhe .— incident near the wreckage of the titanic . a— incident near the wreckage of the titanic . a safety the titanic. a safety investigation has been launched . the— investigation has been launched . the heme— investigation has been launched . the prime minister has paid

trhhete— . the prime minister has paid trhhete te— . the prime minister has paid tribute to the— . the prime minister has paid tribute to the phenomenal preeheheh— tribute to the phenomenal precision and— tribute to the phenomenal precision and professionalism of hrhtheh— precision and professionalism of hrhtheh treepe— precision and professionalism of british troops as— precision and professionalism of british troops as events are heht— british troops as events are hett eeee— british troops as events are held across the _ british troops as events are held across the uk to mark armed tee— held across the uk to mark armed tee pew.— held across the uk to mark armed tee new. the— held across the uk to mark armed forces day. the king— held across the uk to mark armed forces day. the king also paid trhhete— forces day. the king also paid trhhete .— forces day. the king also paid tribute , thanking— forces day. the king also paid tribute , thanking military tribute, thanking military pereemhet— tribute, thanking military personnel for— tribute, thanking military personnel for the immense and tetheetet— personnel for the immense and dedicated contribution of the hrhtheh— dedicated contribution of the british military. _ dedicated contribution of the british military. both at home ehe— british military. both at home and overseas— british military. both at home and overseas .— british military. both at home and overseas. he— british military. both at home and overseas. he drew on his own ttme— and overseas. he drew on his own thme hm— and overseas. he drew on his own thme he the— and overseas. he drew on his own time in the military— and overseas. he drew on his own time in the military and said he reeeehheet— time in the military and said he recognised the— time in the military and said he recognised the deep pride sewhee— recognised the deep pride service personnel will take in her— service personnel will take in thehr tetw— service personnel will take in thehr tetw .— service personnel will take in their duty . that's the up to their duty. that's the up to eete— their duty. that's the up to tete .— their duty. that's the up to tete . het— their duty. that's the up to date . but you— their duty. that's the up to date . but you can get more on date. but you can get more on all date. but you can get more on ett et— date. but you can get more on ett et theee— date. but you can get more on all of those stories by visiting wehehte. — all of those stories by visiting our website. that— all of those stories by visiting our website. that is gb news .com. now though, it's back to heme— .com. now though, it's back to heme .— nana. good here.- good afternoon. heme.— good afternoon. this here.— good afternoon. this is gb news. we good afternoon. this is gb news. the eer— good afternoon. this is gb news. the the— good afternoon. this is gb news. we are the people's— good afternoon. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. - we are the people's channel. don't forget you can download the news app and check out all the news app and check out all the shows here. i'm nana akua. i suddenly forgot who i am. still

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in rostov and has vowed to go to on moscow. now, the uk's ministry of defence, meanwhile, has said that the rebellion is the significant challenge the most significant challenge to in recent times as to russia in recent times as well. i can now get the view of former royal navy officer rear admiral chris parry . chris, admiral chris parry. chris, thank you very much for joining me. so it feels like something is developing in russia at the moment. can you talk to me about what your view is on this and what's the government's response so far? this government ? well so far? this government? well i don't think we should get too excited. we've got a regional rehehhem— excited. we've got a regional rebellion going— excited. we've got a regional rebellion going on.- ext. er: we've got a regional rebellion going on. russia has hege— rebellion going on. russia has heoe teete— rebellion going on. russia has huge tehte hm— rebellion going on. russia has huge debts in terms of ideology and huge debts in terms of ideology eht mhthterw— huge debts in terms of ideology and military resources to crush the— and military resources to crush this rebellion.— and military resources to crush this rebellion. if— and military resources to crush this rebellion. if it— and military resources to crush this rebellion. if it chooses to do this rebellion. if it chooses to te ee— this rebellion. if it chooses to te ee .— this rebellion. if it chooses to do so . prigozhin's only real do so. prigozhin's only real hepe— do so. prigozhin's only real hepe he— do so. prigozhin's only real hepe he ht— do so. prigozhin's only real hepe he ht he— do so. prigozhin's only real hope is if he can encourage methhw— hope is if he can encourage mutiny amongst— hope is if he can encourage mutiny amongst most of the treepe— mutiny amongst most of the treepe whe— mutiny amongst most of the troops who are— mutiny amongst most of the troops who are fighting in hhrehhe— troops who are fighting in ukraine and— troops who are fighting in ukraine and amongst the peththeet— ukraine and amongst the political elite— ukraine and amongst the political elite in moscow . political elite in moscow. i've eert— political elite in moscow. i've eert et— political elite in moscow. i've seen sort of reports- political elite in moscow. i've seen sort of reports of- political elite in moscow. i've seen sort of reports of various russian officials fleeing with their families to turkey and

other countries . if that proves other countries. if that proves true , then the regime is true, then the regime is definitely on the slide. but we shouldn't kid ourselves . any shouldn't kid ourselves. any rebellion would get rid of putin. i don't think the regime of kleptocratic thuggery is going anywhere anytime soon. prigozhin is the founder of the whether— prigozhin is the founder of the wagner mercenary group . so we're wagner mercenary group. so we're eetthhe— wagner mercenary group. so we're petthhe e— wagner mercenary group. so we're petthmo e ph— wagner mercenary group. so we're getting a bit overzealous. and the ether— getting a bit overzealous. and the other side— getting a bit overzealous. and the other side of— getting a bit overzealous. and the other side of it is if someone did- the other side of it is if someone did take over, so say eew— someone did take over, so say eew erhpezhhh— someone did take over, so say say prigozhin was— someone did take over, so say say prigozhin was successful, whet— say prigozhin was successful, whet ee— say prigozhin was successful, whet hhe— say prigozhin was successful, what are his views? i mean, is he weee— what are his views? i mean, is he theh— what are his views? i mean, is he worse than putin? well, i thhht— he worse than putin? well, i think everybody's going to have a readjustment— think everybody's going to have a readjustment of— think everybody's going to have a readjustment of views in heee— a readjustment of views in theeeew ht— a readjustment of views in moscow if somebody else takes . there-e— moscow if somebody else takes over . there's no— moscow if somebody else takes over . wehe; w moscow if somebody else takes over . w over. there's no question about that. over. there's no question about that . but the over. there's no question about that. but the basic regime survival tactic is to keep hold of power as long as you can. and prigozhin will either see himself as a kingmaker or somebody who's going to enforce the will of the new leader . and the will of the new leader. and so part of this rebellion, i believe, is about prigozhin trying to distance himself and

maybe his boss, putin, from the failures in ukraine. i think there's a real attempt to push there's a real attempt to push the blame onto the military leadership under shoigu and gerasimov . and knowing russian gerasimov. and knowing russian politics as i do , there may be politics as i do, there may be a lot more going on under the surface than we think . on the surface than we think. on the surface, we think putin's in trouble and he may well be, but this may also be an attempt to disassociate putin from the war in ukraine. but you noticed that he that prigozhin has not actually criticised putin. he's saying that evil counsellors that are near him, this has shades of russia throughout the centuries and indeed throughout britain's middle ages. it's always evil counsellors . you always evil counsellors. you criticise not the monarch, but but i mean since the war began there's been i mean the tally of deaths is huge. if you look at teet— deaths is huge. if you look at teet h— deaths is huge. if you look at reet h meem— deaths is huge. if you look at just i mean the— deaths is huge. if you look at just i mean the us— : w.ge; if you look at just i mean the us defence intelligence— just i mean the us defence intelligence agency did a tally and intelligence agency did a tally eht thew— intelligence agency did a tally eht thew eeht— intelligence agency did a tally and they said that russia eetteret— and they said that russia suffered in— and they said that russia suffered in the region of

hehteh— suffered in the region of hehteh te— suffered in the region of 189,500 to 223,000 total casualties,— 189,500 to 223,000 total casualties, and - 189,500 to 223,000 total casualties, and that includes us eerhemeh— casualties, and that includes us servicemen and— casualties, and that includes us servicemen and those who are weehtet— servicemen and those who are weehtet eme— servicemen and those who are wounded and things like that. do you wounded and things like that. do wee thhht— wounded and things like that. do wee thhmt thet— wounded and things like that. do you think that perhaps there is an you think that perhaps there is en etemeht— you think that perhaps there is an element of— you think that perhaps there is an element of people getting three— an element of people getting thret et— an element of people getting thret et the— an element of people getting tired of the death and destruction - tired of the death and destruction and that actually hrheezhhh— destruction and that actually prigozhin does— destruction and that actually prigozhin does have a very good eheme— prigozhin does have a very good there et— prigozhin does have a very good chance of swaying— prigozhin does have a very good chance of swaying this and tempo— chance of swaying this and getting-forces- chance of swaying this and getting forces start getting the forces to start rethhhthhe— getting the forces to start rethinking what they want to eerw— rethinking what they want to eerrw eh— rethinking what they want to eerrw eh whth— rethinking what they want to carry on with this war? �*ft�*egc carry on with this war? well, i thmt— carry on with this war? well, i thmt eh— carry on with this war? well, i think all these things are in play think all these things are in play at the moment. the fact of life is nana we don't know. you know, there's all sorts of disinformation, stuff disinformation, all this stuff flying the place. we flying all over the place. we don't know whether prigozhin is working putin against his working for putin against his own establishment and own military establishment and trying to oust them or indeed, this is a major revolt against the whole system and prigozhin will pick up support , as you will pick up support, as you say, from those military units in ukraine who frankly have had enough. in ukraine who frankly have had enough . but i do suspect the enough. but i do suspect the rest of the russian population still believe in putin and there will be immense sort of depth of support if he chooses to

actually tap that in all these situations . it's the person that situations. it's the person that loses their nerve first who actually loses the battle . so we actually loses the battle. so we need to see who is going to lose their nerve. but significantly, we're seeing some regime people at the lower level deputy minister level, they're fleeing the country at the moment and that's quite significant, to tell the truth. that hasn't happened up until now . so that happened up until now. so that itself all i'm saying now is, you know, this is not a linear process. it's very complex and there's all sorts of issues . there's all sorts of issues. there's disinformation and information. we need to hold judgement at the moment i would say i would say that the chances of prigozhin being successful are low. there are immense depth in russia. interesting . in russia. interesting. interesting.— w 7 interesting. interesting. well, we'll ehwheeetw— interesting. well, we'll obviously follow the story. hheht— obviously follow the story. hheht wee— obviously follow the story. thank you very- obviously follow the story. thank you very much for your thet.— thank you very much for your view. that, of— thank you very much for your view. that, of course, is chris herrw. — view. that, of course, is chris herrw. he— view. that, of course, is chris herrw. he he-e— view. that, of course, is chris herrw. he he-e e— view. that, of course, is chris perry. he he's a former royal heww— perry. he he's a former royal heww ettheer— perry. he he's a former royal navy officer and— perry. he he's a former royal navy officer and rear admiral. verw— navy officer and rear admiral. herw-te— navy officer and rear admiral. herw-te teth— navy officer and rear admiral. very-to talk-you. - navy officer and rear admiral. very to talk you. well, very good to talk to you. well, tet-e— very good to talk to you. well, tet-e-te— very good to talk to you. well, tet-e-te thhe- very good to talk to you. well, let's to this because let's move on to this because eeeerthme— let's move on to this because according-reports- let's move on to this because according reports of a former according to reports of a former emptewee— according to reports of a former emptewee et— according to reports of a former employee of oceangate, because, i employee of oceangate, because, h-wee— employee of oceangate, because, i-was transfixed- employee of oceangate, because, i-was transfixed by- employee of oceangate, because, i was transfixed by the i mean, i was transfixed by the eterw— i mean, i was transfixed by the eterwltmew— i mean, i was transfixed by the eterwltmewltet— i mean, i was transfixed by the story.iknowllot of- i mean, i was transfixed by the story. know lot of you were story. i know a lot of you were

as story. i know a lot of you werei ee—reheet as well, oceangate they raised eetetw— as well, oceangate they raised safety concerns— as well, oceangate they raised safety concerns about the titan eehmerehhte— safety concerns about the titan submersible-in— safety concerns about the titan submersible in 2018. and submersible back in 2018. and the—thew.- submersible back in 2018. and the—thew. ee- submersible back in 2018. and this—know, as the this comes as we know, as the the— this comes as we know, as the the-eh— this comes as we know, as the the-eh peere- this comes as we know, as the five-on board the- this comes as we know, as the five on board the vessel five people on board the vessel thet— five people on board the vessel thet-whet— five people on board the vessel died what described as died after what was described as a died after what was described as e—hmpteehem- died after what was described as a_implosion after. a catastrophic implosion after a the— a catastrophic implosion after a the eew— a catastrophic implosion after a five day search— a catastrophic implosion after a five day search for— a catastrophic implosion after a five day search for the missing expterere— five day search for the missing explorers, coastguard explorers, the us coastguard eemhrmet— explorers, the us coastguard eemhrmet .— explorers, the us coastguard confirmed . and— explorers, the us coastguard confirmed . and the tail cone of confirmed. and the tail cone of the-eee— confirmed. and the tail cone of the-sea vessel— confirmed. and the tail cone of the-sea vessel was- the deep sea vessel was theeeweret— the deep sea vessel was discovered around 1600 feet from the pew— discovered around 1600 feet from the pew et— discovered around 1600 feet from the pew et the— discovered around 1600 feet from the bow of the titanic wreckage. hhtehhe— the bow of the titanic wreckage. titanic director— the bow of the titanic wreckage. titanic director and— the bow of the titanic wreckage. titanic director and ocean expterer— titanic director and ocean explorer james— titanic director and ocean explorer james cameron said that he whehet— explorer james cameron said that he wished that— explorer james cameron said that he wished that they had sounded the-eerther— he wished that they had sounded the-eerther. — he wished that they had sounded the-earlier. the- he wished that they had sounded the earlier . citt.e;r?c the alarm earlier. the oceangate shouldn't have been doing what it was doing. i think that's pretty i i had been pretty clear. i wish i had been more about that, more vocal about that, but i think i was unaware that they weren't certified because i wasn't really studying it. i wasn't really studying it. i wasn't really studying it. i wasn't really interested. stockton, russia asked me if i wanted to go out there and dive this season. you know, i wasn't interested. it'sjust this season. you know, i wasn't interested. it's just tragic and it's horrific and it's unnecessary . and by the way, unnecessary. and by the way, it's not lost on me as somebody who's studied the meaning of titanic, it's greater meaning to us. you know , historically and us. you know, historically and societally , that it's about

societally, that it's about warnings that were ignored . warnings that were ignored. well, it does seem that way. so eheett— well, it does seem that way. so eheett we— well, it does seem that way. so should we leave— well, it does seem that way. so should we leave the site alone mew— should we leave the site alone he— should we leave the site alone he ht— should we leave the site alone now? is it time— should we leave the site alone now? is it time to— should we leave the site alone now? is it time to leave the theme— now? is it time to leave the titanic alone— now? is it time to leave the titanic alone after it's claimed the— titanic alone after it's claimed the mere— titanic alone after it's claimed five more lives?— titanic alone after it's claimed five more lives? to— titanic alone after it's claimed five more lives? to discuss, i'm tehhet— five more lives? to discuss, i'm rehhet hw— five more lives? to discuss, i'm joined by former— five more lives? to discuss, i'm joined by former submarine commander author david commander and author david hehew. — commander and author david hehew. -whet- commander and author david mckay. _what do- commander and author david mckay. what do you think mckay. david, what do you think eheet— mckay. david, what do you think eheet thhe— mckay. david, what do you think about this this— mckay. david, what do you think about this this whole incident? verw— about this this whole incident? very—somewhat- very tragic, but somewhat teethertw— very tragic, but somewhat foolhardy for— very tragic, but somewhat foolhardy for people to get onto eeeh — foolhardy for people to get onto eeeh e— foolhardy for people to get onto such a contraption— foolhardy for people to get onto such a contraption in the first pteee— such a contraption in the first pteee-te— such a contraption in the first pteee-te wee- such a contraption in the first place. do you think? yeah, place. what do you think? yeah, wett— place. what do you think? yeah, weh .— place. what do you think? yeah, wett . thew— place. what do you think? yeah, weh . thew ee— place. what do you think? yeah, well , they are definitely trying well, they are definitely trying to well, they are definitely trying te he— well, they are definitely trying to be innovators— well, they are definitely trying to be innovators and push the heehterhee— to be innovators and push the heehterhee. — to be innovators and push the boundaries . �*ft�*e; : boundaries. we've made submarines out of metal for a long time. metal is ductile , long time. metal is ductile, which means that it starts to bend a little bit before it breaks. you put a of breaks. when you put a bunch of books on bookshelf, it books on your bookshelf, it starts and you put too starts to curve and you put too many it'll finally break. many on. it'll finally break. carbon fibre is a different type of material. we call it brittle , so the way carbon fibre behavesis , so the way carbon fibre behaves is it's rigid, rigid, rigid, rigid and then boom, catastrophic failure. and here we were actually mating metal, titanium bells to carbon fibre

tube and i would think the investigators are going to look at how that carbon fibre reacted to those deep repeated pressure and release and the interface there. so basically what you're saying is it was actually just a matter of time before that would have happened anyway . yeah, we have happened anyway. yeah, we know if you operate a submarine underwater for a long time, what happens is you compress it and you freeze it and then you bring it back up and it warms up and it back up and it warms up and it relaxes. we say the metal relaxes or the ship relaxes. and so you're going through these repeated cycles of compression and freezing and relaxing and warming and we use the same metal basically that we used in world war one and two for building submarines. so we have a long history for understanding how those metals respond. so it could go down once, could go down twice, go down three down twice, could go down three times. but times. everything's fine. but you're this little you're creating this little tiny minute fractures, little tiny minute fractures, little tiny minute cracks . and at those

minute cracks. and at those pressures , it just takes a pressures, it just takes a minute crack or a fracture to cause catastrophic failure. is there anything that is there anything that could be eeet— there anything that could be eeet thet— there anything that could be used that wouldn't go through thet— used that wouldn't go through that because— used that wouldn't go through that because they used the rehete. — that because they used the rehete. the— that because they used the robots. the robots went down and thew— robots. the robots went down and thew eemet— robots. the robots went down and thew eemet te— robots. the robots went down and they seemed to be— robots. the robots went down and they seemed to be fine with it. so they seemed to be fine with it. se whet— they seemed to be fine with it. se whet ee— they seemed to be fine with it. so what are the— they seemed to be fine with it. so what are the robots that went tewh— so what are the robots that went teem-ep— so what are the robots that went tewh-ep the — so what are the robots that went down - up the pieces- so what are the robots that went down up the pieces made down to pick up the pieces made out down to pick up the pieces made eetle — down to pick up the pieces made eetle tm— down to pick up the pieces made out.? i'm guessing- down to pick up the pieces made out ? 3 w; out of? i'm guessing they're made out of metal. i don't know for sure, but they're also much smaller. so the, the tubes inside the robot are just trying to protect, say, for example, a camera or a light or a cable. it's a much simpler problem with a robot than for a hole. something caring human beings. what kind of weight, then, if you were to visualise the sort of weight that was that pressure that that little thing was under there, what what kind of weight? i mean, somebody mentioned like lots i mean, somebody mentioned like tete et— i mean, somebody mentioned like tete et wertt — i mean, somebody mentioned like lots of world trade— i mean, somebody mentioned like lots of world trade centres on top— lots of world trade centres on tep et— lots of world trade centres on tep et ht.— lots of world trade centres on tep et ht. tet— lots of world trade centres on top of it, but what kind of pressure would- top of it, but what kind of pressure would would it take for thet— pressure would would it take for thet te— pressure would would it take for thet te heppeme— pressure would would it take for that to happen? yeah these are theee— that to happen? yeah these are theee ee— that to happen? yeah these are these are pressures beyond what we-hermehw— these are pressures beyond what we normally conceive your we can normally conceive your the— we can normally conceive your the three— we can normally conceive your the three eh— we can normally conceive your the tires on your— we can normally conceive your the tires on your car are are

pretettw— the tires on your car are are pretehtw twe— the tires on your car are are probably two times what we feel the atmosphere— probably two times what we feel the atmosphere for if it's a that— the atmosphere for if it's a high performance vehicle or a treet— high performance vehicle or a tech mewte— high performance vehicle or a truck maybe three a fire hose , truck maybe three a fire hose, mewte— truck maybe three a fire hose, mewte ho— truck maybe three a fire hose, mewte to te— truck maybe three a fire hose, maybe 10 to 20. _ truck maybe three a fire hose, maybe 10 to 20. ehe; he; maybe 10 to 20. here we're talking two, 300 to 400 times atmospheric pressure . so atmospheric pressure. so a little tiny crack. the water would come in so fast you probably wouldn't even you'd hear it. and as you're turning your head, it's already over because it just happened. so fast. well, you know, the only saving grace is that they didn't suffer. david, thank you very meeh — suffer. david, thank you very meeh ter— suffer. david, thank you very much for the _ suffer. david, thank you very much for the good- david, thank you very much for the good to talk to wee.— much for the good to talk to wee. h— much for the good to talk to wee. h eeett— much for the good to talk to you. i could talk— much for the good to talk to you. i could talk to you for etee— you. i could talk to you for etee eh— you. i could talk to you for etee eh thhe. — you. i could talk to you for ages on this. this is author newt.— ages on this. this is author pewht. okay?— ages on this. this is author david, okay? he's a former eemerhte— david, okay? he's a former submarine commander. this is gb hewe. — submarine commander. this is gb hewe. the-re— submarine commander. this is gb news. we're live— submarine commander. this is gb news. we're live on— submarine commander. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online eht— news. we're live on tv, online eet-rethe. - news. we're live on tv, online and-radio. now- news. we're live on tv, online and-radio. now it'si and on digital radio. now it's ttme— and on digital radio. now it's thme ter— and on digital radio. now it's thme ter mw— and on digital radio. now it's time for my political spotlight . het— time for my political spotlight . amt-week.— time for my political spotlight .hht-weeh h— time for my political spotlight . and week, i have the . and this week, i have the teheteee— . and this week, i have the fabulous sir— . and this week, i have the fabulous sir vince cable. now, he-the— fabulous sir vince cable. now, he-the-et— fabulous sir vince cable. now, he .the _of the - fabulous sir vince cable. now,i he .the _of the liberal he was the leader of the liberal pemeeret— he was the leader of the liberal pemeeret hertw— he was the leader of the liberal democrat party from 2017 to 19. hhhee— democrat party from 2017 to 19. he he— democrat party from 2017 to 19. vince is renowned— democrat party from 2017 to 19. vince is renowned for leading the theret— vince is renowned for leading the liberal democrats to their teet— the liberal democrats to their best national— the liberal democrats to their best national electoral performance- best national electoral performance since 2010. he was etee— performance since 2010. he was etee metettw— performance since 2010. he was also notably the— performance since 2010. he was also notably the secretary of

stete— also notably the secretary of stete ter— also notably the secretary of state for business innovation eht— state for business innovation eht sthhe— state for business innovation and skills during david cameron's— and skills during david cameron's premiership and eetehte— cameron's premiership and eetehte et— cameron's premiership and outside of politics. vince is an eeter— outside of politics. vince is an eager ballroom _ outside of politics. vince is an eager ballroom dancer. i bet you thth-t— eager ballroom dancer. i bet you thtm-t thew— eager ballroom dancer. i bet you didn't know that. _ eager ballroom dancer. i bet you didn't know that. appearing on a chrhetmee— didn't know that. appearing on a christmas edition— didn't know that. appearing on a christmas edition of strictly ceme— christmas edition of strictly come dancing,— christmas edition of strictly come dancing, he's also the petreh— come dancing, he's also the patron-numerous- come dancing, he's also the patron numerous charities, patron for numerous charities, eht— patron for numerous charities, eet—eew- patron for numerous charities, eet—eew thetl patron for numerous charities,i and—say that i'm and i'm pleased to say that i'm tehhet— and i'm pleased to say that i'm rehhet-tw— and i'm pleased to say that i'm rehhet-hw etr— and i'm pleased to say that i'm joined - by sir vince - and i'm pleased to say that i'm joined by sir vince cable . joined now by sir vince cable. whee.— joined now by sir vince cable. hhhee. themt— joined now by sir vince cable. vince, thank-very- joined now by sir vince cable. vince, thank very much for vince, thank you very much for rehhhht— vince, thank you very much for joining-ballroom - vince, thank you very much for joining ballroom dancing, joining me. ballroom dancing, teheteee— joining me. ballroom dancing, teheteee. — joining me. ballroom dancing, fabulous . well,— joining me. ballroom dancing, fabulous . well, i— joining me. ballroom dancing, fabulous . �*ft�*egc cc joining me. ballroom dancing, fabulous . �*ft�*egc 5cc joining me. ballroom dancing, fabulous. �*ft�*egc 5cc c fabulous. well, i still keep it going as a weekly class and i'm being , i going as a weekly class and i'm being, i think, put in for a competition in september. so i've kept going and it's very good for physical health and mental health both. yes, it's lovely. and the music- yes, it's lovely. and the music as well. so lovely. and the music as well. se wee— lovely. and the music as well. se wee eh— lovely. and the music as well. so you can relax— lovely. and the music as well. so you can relax into the music eht— so you can relax into the music eht etee— so you can relax into the music eht etee memerw— so you can relax into the music and also memory, memory. so you can relax into the music and also memory, memory . very and also memory, memory. very teet- — and also memory, memory. very teet- heet— and also memory, memory. very good. most people— and also memory, memory. very good. c w good. most people have it in them. you hear people say, you know, i can't do that. i haven't got a right foot or a left foot. but actually most people have a sense of rhythm and timing and you it from there . so you can take it from there. so vince, talk to me about w c so vince, talk to me about you them— vince, talk to me about you them hhhw— vince, talk to me about you them whw tht— vince, talk to me about you then. why did you get into peththeee— then. why did you get into politics?-there - then. why did you get into politics? there a moment politics? was there a moment where—mew.- politics? was there a moment. where_okay,lwant where you thought, okay, i want to where you thought, okay, i want te-peththeheh— where you thought, okay, i want to-politician ? _ where you thought, okay, i want to-politician ? well,- to be a politician? well, i wrete— to be a politician? well, i wrete e— to be a politician? well, i wrote a called how to be

wrote a book called how to be a politician. that explains in a semi—satirical way how i and other people get launched on political careers. i think mine was a slightly odd way because i my father had diametrically opposed very right wing views as this was back in the 50s, was a very strong defender of the empire . and, you know, britain's empire. and, you know, britain's intervention in suez and i was a teenager and i started arguing with him and my best friend at school was on the other extreme as a sort of communist revolution . and i started revolution. and i started arguing with him and i saw i found myself in a kind of middle of the road just debating with people who were close to me. but but getting actively involved didn't really. i was at university. i was active in the cambridge union , so i dealt with cambridge union, so i dealt with a lot of the ken clarke's norman lamont people, my contemporaries . but i really only got engaged in political activity when i lived in glasgow. i became a glasgow city councillor. i was labourin glasgow city councillor. i was labour in those days and in my

20s sort of heavily involved in running one of britain's big cities . so that was a running one of britain's big cities. so that was a real university of life experience. but then of course labour had a civil war in the 80s. i split off , i joined civil war in the 80s. i split off, i joined roy jenkins and shirley williams in the sdp and i didn't eventually become an mp till i was in my mid 50s when a lot of people are thinking about retirement , what do you make of retirement, what do you make of the mps at the moment and the behaviour that's going on in parliament and the political. well, it's easy for people to teet— well, it's easy for people to teet teet— well, it's easy for people to look back and— well, it's easy for people to look back and say everything has tehe— look back and say everything has gone tewhhhh— look back and say everything has gone downhill since i left. i'm ht-e— gone downhill since i left. i'm he met. — gone downhill since i left. i'm sure it's not. it— gone downhill since i left. i'm sure it's not. it has— gone downhill since i left. i'm sure it's not. it has actually been, to be honest. they've been unfortunate that of course the pandemic totally disrupted the kind of, you know, personal back and forth intimacy that you need in parliament. it's been totally absorbed with the brexit experience and continued disruption with three prime ministers within a year. i mean, it's a very different

environment from the one i was in where we had 13 years of tony blair and gordon brown, which , blair and gordon brown, which, you know, they did lots of stuff, some things i disagree with, like the iraq war, but it was a stable government that was doing stuff. and we had five years of the coalition that i was at the heart of. and again, another period of stable government. it's government. and since then it's been very uneven . what do you been very uneven. what do you mete— been very uneven. what do you mete et— been very uneven. what do you make of what's— been very uneven. what do you make of what's going- req c. what do you make of what's going on now in teeehe— make of what's going on now in hteeehe whth— make of what's going on now in russia with regard— make of what's going on now in russia with regard to everything thet-e— russia with regard to everything there heppehhho— russia with regard to everything that's happening ? of course, that's happening? of course, tet. — that's happening? of course, we've got. well,- that's happening? of course, we've got. well, i- that's happening? of course, we've got. �*ftr�*ecc : w c we've got. well, i don't think any of us really know what we do know is there's a mutiny going on and we also know that putin has been sufficiently weakened by this disastrous war that his regime is now fragile . but i regime is now fragile. but i think we should be careful what we wish for, because if he comes out on top, he'll be even more paranoid , inclined to lash out paranoid, inclined to lash out in all directions. and if the other guy prigozhin and his people, i mean , they're an people, i mean, they're an unknown quantity, but we know he's violent and unpredictable

and extreme in the way he operates. so we may be dealing with people who are even more difficult and violent and dangerous than we have in the past, sometimes better the devil you know, even if that devil. well, i wouldn't go so far as to say— well, i wouldn't go so far as to eew we— well, i wouldn't go so far as to say we welcome— well, i wouldn't go so far as to say we welcome it. but no, but you— say we welcome it. but no, but you know, it's a very worrying time in the world at the moment as well. and also in the peththeet— and also in the political spectrum. are you teethht— political spectrum. are you teethht et— political spectrum. are you looking at the— political spectrum. are you looking at the political situation _ looking at the political situation now? do you think it's a situation now? do you think it's e teet— situation now? do you think it's e teet eeet— situation now? do you think it's a dead cert that— situation now? do you think it's a dead cert that the labour party— a dead cert that the labour hertw wht— a dead cert that the labour party will win— a dead cert that the labour party will win the next general eteethehe— party will win the next general eteethehe he.— party will win the next general election? no, it's— party will win the next general election? no, it's very unpredictable . �*7 election? no, it's very— unpredictable . i mean, if i were unpredictable. i mean, if i were going to a bookmaker, i would put money on them winning, but not with sufficient numbers to form a government. and i think we may well find ourselves with minority government and that leaves the way open to conversations with opposition parties . it conversations with opposition parties. it may open the way i mean, i you know, many of us remember the 1970s as we where the government waits three months or six months and has a second election. we could be in

that kind of scenario. what about the liberal democrats? do you see them playing any tt7 do you see them playing any role? het— you see them playing any role? hht ht— you see them playing any role? hht ht eee— you see them playing any role? and it seems they— you see them playing any role? and it seems they seem to sort of and it seems they seem to sort et theeewe. — and it seems they seem to sort et theeewe. h— and it seems they seem to sort of dissolve. i mean, where are thewe— of dissolve. i mean, where are thewe h— of dissolve. i mean, where are thewe r tee-t— of dissolve. i mean, where are they? i don't hear— of dissolve. i mean, where are they? i don't hear much about them.— they? i don't hear much about them. wett— they? i don't hear much about them. well, what's going on with them— them. well, what's going on with theme-thew— them. well, what's going on with theme-thew ee— them. well, what's going on with them? they are they still them? are they are they still eheet—teet- them? are they are they still. about _ back every about out? i step back every time. not a backseat driver, time. i'm not a backseat driver, but i'm you know, i hope i was in mid—bedfordshire week in mid—bedfordshire this week giving we've giving help. i think we've a good winning. good chance of winning. i'm going somerton frome next going to somerton and frome next week, you know, we've won week, so, you know, we've won this very good sequence of by elections . and davey, i think elections. and davey, i think has got basically the right approach of just concentrating our resources on those parts of the country where we can win. and labour can't win. and returning in the next parliament with a significantly bigger number of mps, that seems to be absolutely the right approach. and if the snp fall apart , as and if the snp fall apart, as it's quite likely we you know, the lib dems will be back as the third party in parliament with the kind of influence we had before 2010. well this is such a pleasure to talk to you. i didn't get to talk to you for

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treason and armed mutiny. smooth any internal turmoil is a meter— smooth any internal turmoil is a mertet threet— smooth any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to— smooth any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood, to mortal threat to our statehood, te ee— mortal threat to our statehood, te ee ee— mortal threat to our statehood, te ee ee e— mortal threat to our statehood, to us as a nation,— mortal threat to our statehood, to us as a nation, this is a thew— to us as a nation, this is a ttew te— to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia,- to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our people , blow to russia, to our people, eethehe— blow to russia, to our people, our actions to _ blow to russia, to our people, our actions to protect the hemeteht— our actions to protect the homeland from such a threat will be homeland from such a threat will he hereh. — homeland from such a threat will he hereh. th— homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those— homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those who deliberately took the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, took the path of mutiny, who took the path of blackmail and terrorist methods , an inevitable , will suffer an inevitable punishment , , will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both to the law and to our people . well the law and to our people. well russian journalist alexei weir told us live from moscow , told us live from moscow, there's panic in the capital. there's panic in the capital. the chef of the wagner group, he has the chef of the wagner group, he hee eeht— the chef of the wagner group, he hee eeht thet— the chef of the wagner group, he has said that they— the chef of the wagner group, he has said that they have already met— has said that they have already ehet tewh— has said that they have already ehet tewh e— has said that they have already shut down a few— has said that they have already shut down a few russian army hetheeptere— shut down a few russian army helicopters and— shut down a few russian army helicopters and said some sources are saying that they are thterehw— sources are saying that they are thterettw teee— sources are saying that they are literally less than— sources are saying that they are literally less than 500km away trem— literally less than 500km away trem theeeew— literally less than 500km away from moscow. so— literally less than 500km away from moscow. so if they continue at from moscow. so if they continue et the— from moscow. so if they continue et the eeme— from moscow. so if they continue at the same rate,— from moscow. so if they continue at the same rate, we should be ewehthht— at the same rate, we should be ewehthmo them— at the same rate, we should be awaiting them here in the city by mhtht— awaiting them here in the city by mhtht. het— awaiting them here in the city by night. and obviously they are tethe— by night. and obviously they are tethho eeteh— by night. and obviously they are taking action. authorities that tetee— taking action. authorities that taken action.— taking action. authorities that taken action. russian president htethmhr— taken action. russian president vladimir putin— taken action. russian president vladimir putin said that they wht— vladimir putin said that they whth tete— vladimir putin said that they

will take anything to restore the constitutional . order w the constitutional. order in ether— the constitutional. order in ether newe— the constitutional. order in other news this— the constitutional. order in other news this afternoon, a team of safety investigators are on board the main support ship of the titan submersible after it returned to the harbour following the deep sea vessel's fatal implosion on flags on board the polar prince were at half mast at it arrived at the port in saint johns harbour this morning. five people on board the titan were killed in the incident near the wreckage of the titanic . a safety the titanic. a safety investigation into the implosion of the submersible has been launched. of the submersible has been launched . the first minister of launched. the first minister of scotland says the next westminster election should be used as a manifesto for an independent scotland . speaking independent scotland. speaking at an snp independence convention in dundee, humza yousaf said that the route to scottish independence is through the lawful and democratic process . esf added that if the process. esf added that if the snp wins that election, it will

seek negotiations with the uk government to give democratic effect to scotland becoming . effect to scotland becoming. independent margaret macdonagh , independent margaret macdonagh, labour's first female general secretary, has died aged 61. the politician sat in the house of lords as baroness mcdonough and has been described as an unstoppable force of nature and a champion for women . a protest a champion for women. a protest has taken place outside parliament to step up demands for the release from prison of wikileaks founder julian assange . assange faces extradition to the united states, where he could be imprisoned for the rest of his life. he's been hailed in london's high security belmarsh prison for more than four years as he fights extradition , then as he fights extradition, then he faces charges over the publication of classified documents relating to the afghanistan and iraq wars . the afghanistan and iraq wars. the prime minister has paid tribute to the phenomenal precision and

professional wisdom of british troops as events are held across the uk to mark armed forces day . the king also paid tribute in a signed letter thanking military personnel for the immense and dedicated contribution of the british military, both at home and overseas. he drew on his own time in the military and said he recognised the deep pride service personnel take in their duty parades and flypasts will take place around the country to thank the military community. people in manchester have been gathering for the event. one of these things that— gathering for the event. one of these things that should- 3 w; one of these things that should be reeeomheet— these things that should be recognised, the— these things that should be recognised, the army should be reeetmheet— recognised, the army should be recognised, the _ recognised, the army should be recognised, the veterans should be recognised, the veterans should he reeeomheet— recognised, the veterans should be recognised. there's you know, you— be recognised. there's you know, wee—hm— be recognised. there's you know, wee—hm the- be recognised. there's you know, you—in the record.| you go to america in the record. i you go to america in the record. h heer— you go to america in the record. h heer the— you go to america in the record. h heer the eeet— you go to america in the record. i hear the sort of— you go to america in the record. i hear the sort of like brushed enter— i hear the sort of like brushed enter the— i hear the sort of like brushed under the carpet— i hear the sort of like brushed under the carpet and it's all went — under the carpet and it's all wrong he— under the carpet and it's all wrong rte-mw- under the carpet and it's all. wrong. it's-my support under the carpet and it's all- wrong. it's-my support for wrong. it's show my support for the veterans and the injured veterans and the cadets who hopefully and they're our future all being well she respects like that you know like colleagues and who aren't here today. we would like to be here.

eew c we would like to be here. but for the— would like to be here. but for the ewe— would like to be here. but for the oewe whe— would like to be here. but for the guys who are— would like to be here. but for the guys who are serving now and the guys who are serving now and the ethe— the guys who are serving now and the girlsr wee— the guys who are serving now and the girls, you know.— the guys who are serving now and the girls, you know. so yeah, we eth— the girls, you know. so yeah, we ethtt meet— the girls, you know. so yeah, we still need our— the girls, you know. so yeah, we still need our armed forces. and for still need our armed forces. and tet-pert— still need our armed forces. and tet-pertlthet.- still need our armed forces. and for-partlthat, you- for just be part of that, you thew.— for just be part of that, you thew. hte— for just be part of that, you know, it's we're— for just be part of that, you know, it's we're proud of this is know, it's we're proud of this he he— know, it's we're proud of this he he hewe— know, it's we're proud of this is gb news news. �*ftr�*e; cc w; is gb news news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back to nana . it's back to nana. good afternoon . it's fast good afternoon. it's fast eppreeehhmt— good afternoon. it's fast approaching. six- c: it's fast approaching. six minutes after the.— approaching. six minutes after tree. the— approaching. six minutes after hoe. hhhe he— approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is gb— approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the— 4:00. this is gb news. we are the peepte-e— 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm live on the people's channel. i'm live eh th— the people's channel. i'm live eh hh ehthhe— the people's channel. i'm live on tv online and— the people's channel. i'm live on tv online and on digital tethe— on tv online and on digital rethe. tm— on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana— on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. is this the— radio. i'm nana akua. is this the heohhhhht— radio. i'm nana akua. is this the beginning of— radio. i'm nana akua. is this the beginning of the end for htethmhr— the beginning of the end for vladimir putin?— the beginning of the end for vladimir putin? it started last weer— vladimir putin? it started last weer whth— vladimir putin? it started last weer whth e— vladimir putin? it started last year with a russian incursion eeeht— year with a russian incursion eeeht the— year with a russian incursion around the ukrainian borders, whheh— around the ukrainian borders, which eventually became an hhetet— which eventually became an illegal invasion— which eventually became an illegal invasion on their eeerehth— illegal invasion on their sovereign land. now putin prehehtw— sovereign land. now putin probably thought it would be prettw— probably thought it would be over pretty sharpish and he has all over pretty sharpish and he has eh the— over pretty sharpish and he has all the military— over pretty sharpish and he has all the military garb, albeit prettw— all the military garb, albeit prettw eet— all the military garb, albeit prettw eet et— all the military garb, albeit pretty out of date . but pretty out of date. but unfortunately for him , he unfortunately for him, he underestimated the resolve of the ukrainian—

underestimated the resolve of the ukrainian people and the eherheme— the ukrainian people and the charisma and— the ukrainian people and the charisma and energy of their teeter. — charisma and energy of their leader. vladimir— charisma and energy of their leader. vladimir zelenskyy , who leader. vladimir zelenskyy, who trehttw— leader. vladimir zelenskyy, who trehttw weht— leader. vladimir zelenskyy, who frankly wasn't taking this lying tewm— frankly wasn't taking this lying tewm h— frankly wasn't taking this lying tewm h meem— frankly wasn't taking this lying down. i mean, would you i know if down. i mean, would you i know ht ht— down. i mean, would you i know ht ht wee— down. i mean, would you i know ht ht me— down. i mean, would you i know ht ht me .— down. i mean, would you i know if it were me , i'd— down. i mean, would you i know if it were me , i'd fight to the if it were me, i'd fight to the teeth— if it were me, i'd fight to the teeth te— if it were me, i'd fight to the death to protect— if it were me, i'd fight to the death to protect my family. hetew— death to protect my family. todaye ht— death to protect my family. today, it would _ death to protect my family. today, it would seem for the verw— today, it would seem for the verw thet— today, it would seem for the very first time— today, it would seem for the very first time in— today, it would seem for the very first time in this war that the hteeeheh— very first time in this war that the russian leadership under htethmhr— the russian leadership under vladimir putin— the russian leadership under vladimir putin is being challenged— vladimir putin is being challenged at the wagner group, hteeeheh— challenged at the wagner group, russian soldiers— challenged at the wagner group, russian soldiers fighting etehoehte— russian soldiers fighting alongside the army who are the mercenaries have— alongside the army who are the mercenaries have turned on him. htethm— mercenaries have turned on him. hethh he— mercenaries have turned on him. hethh he tethe— mercenaries have turned on him. hethh he teehht e— mercenaries have turned on him. putin is facing a potential coup . hew— putin is facing a potential coup . hew. the— putin is facing a potential coup . now, the leader— putin is facing a potential coup . now, the leader of the wagner treep— . now, the leader of the wagner ereep yevgeny_ . now, the leader of the wagner group yevgeny prigozhin , is group yevgeny prigozhin, is etehmhht— group yevgeny prigozhin, is claiming that— group yevgeny prigozhin, is claiming that he is taking eehtret— claiming that he is taking eehtret et— claiming that he is taking control of a— claiming that he is taking control of a russian town called rostov—on—don_ control of a russian town called rostov—on—don .— control of a russian town called rostov—on—don . and this includes rostov—on—don. and this includes teehththee— rostov—on—don. and this includes facilities which— rostov—on—don. and this includes facilities which comprise of some 20,000 _ facilities which comprise of some 20,000 mercenaries who are eepperthht— some 20,000 mercenaries who are eepperthmo hhm— some 20,000 mercenaries who are eepperthmo hhm eht— some 20,000 mercenaries who are supporting him and they're on thehr— supporting him and they're on thehr wew— supporting him and they're on thehr wew te— supporting him and they're on their way to moscow . earlier their way to moscow. earlier tetew— their way to moscow. earlier today teth— their way to moscow. earlier today, putin made an address eehhmt— today, putin made an address eehhmo them— today, putin made an address calling them all— today, putin made an address calling them all traitors and heeeet— calling them all traitors and heeeet eh— calling them all traitors and issued an arrest— calling them all traitors and issued an arrest warrant . issued an arrest warrant. smeeth— issued an arrest warrant. smeeth . thw— issued an arrest warrant. any internal turmoil is smooth. any internal turmoil is a smooth. any internal turmoil is e mertet— smooth. any internal turmoil is a mortal threat— smooth. any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to— smooth. any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to our- a mortal threat to our statehood.— a mortal threat to our statehood. to- a mortal threat to our statehood. to us as a nation, the— statehood. to us as a nation, thhe he— statehood. to us as a nation,

thhe he e— statehood. to us as a nation, this is a blow— statehood. to us as a nation, this is a blow to— statehood. to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our peepte.— this is a blow to russia, to our peepte. eer— this is a blow to russia, to our people, our actions— this is a blow to russia, to our people, our actions to protect the— people, our actions to protect the homeland— people, our actions to protect the homeland from such a threat wht— the homeland from such a threat whth he— the homeland from such a threat whth he met.— the homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all— the homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those who deliberately— will be harsh. all those who deliberately took the path of hetrewet— deliberately took the path of betrayal, who _ deliberately took the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed methhw— betrayal, who prepared an armed methhw .— betrayal, who prepared an armed methhw . whe— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny , who .the - betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny , who the path of mutiny, who took the path of hteetmeht— mutiny, who took the path of blackmail and— mutiny, who took the path of blackmail and terrorist methods, will blackmail and terrorist methods, whth-em— blackmail and terrorist methods, will-an inevitable- will suffer an inevitable punishment.— will suffer an inevitable punishment. answer will suffer an inevitable- punishment.-answer both to punishment. we'll answer both to the tew— punishment. we'll answer both to the tew emt— punishment. we'll answer both to the tew eht te— punishment. we'll answer both to the law and to our— punishment. we'll answer both to the law and to our people . so in the law and to our people. so in the law and to our people. so in the meehthme— the law and to our people. so in the meantime ,_ the law and to our people. so in the meantime , he's— the law and to our people. so in the meantime , he's unleashed the meantime, he's unleashed hetheeptere— the meantime, he's unleashed helicopters and— the meantime, he's unleashed helicopters and opened fire to eeepper— helicopters and opened fire to eeepper thehr— helicopters and opened fire to scupper their efforts. but let us scupper their efforts. but let ee het— scupper their efforts. but let ee met tweet— scupper their efforts. but let us not forget russian history. so in 1905, there was a minor revolution, not the song ra ra rasputin. i can hear you all sing it. no, that's got nothing to do with it. rasputin was a healer. he was trying to heal nicholas, the second son who had haemophilia. that was, of haemophilia. now, that was, of course, the least of their worries, they all worries, because they were all killed in the bolshevik revolution, comes some revolution, which comes some years anyway in 1905, years later. anyway in 1905, civilians to the winter civilians went to the winter palace to demand sustenance and the army opened fire on them . the army opened fire on them. and that's where they coined the phrase sunday. now the second major insurgence was actually in 1917 when the bolsheviks overthrew the royal family and

then later that year, they overthrew the interim government because the soldiers were sick and of fighting. and tired of fighting. ironically all of this was happening during the first world war and as history seems to dictate, it would seem that this is the best time to carry out a revolution there is a war. revolution when there is a war. now, bolsheviks , they now, the bolsheviks, they murdered the royal family and installed lenin as their leader. and that's communism began. and that's when communism began. peace bread was his slogan, peace land bread was his slogan, of course . as communism of course. as communism collapsed in 1991 under mikhail gorbachev . but my point is this gorbachev. but my point is this perhaps what's happened here is something similar to what happenedin something similar to what happened in 1917. maybe the russians are sick and tired of fighting . maybe they're sick of fighting. maybe they're sick of death . but since the war began, death. but since the war began, according to an assessment by the us defence intelligence agency, russia has suffered somewhere in the region of 189,000 dead to 223,000 total casualties and that includes 35,000 to 43,000 killed in action. and . 154,000 to 180,000

action. and. 154,000 to 180,000 wounded. and ukraine gain, on the other hand, has suffered 124,000 to 131,000 total casualties, including 15,000 to 17,000 killed in action and 109,000 to 113,000 wounded in action. and that is according to action. and that is according to a document entitled russia ukraine assessed combat sustainability and attrition . sustainability and attrition. now the figures are around ten times bigger than any public casualty figures that have been published by either moscow or kyiv. but neither side gives timely data on military losses . timely data on military losses. so in truth, their real numbers are considerably higher. the devastation doesn't bear thinking of people being displaced, raped and murdered, lives destroyed , families on lives destroyed, families on both sides torn apart . and for both sides torn apart. and for what? nobody can be happy with this surely in the bible it says that we are merely stewards of the earth. it's simply our job the earth. it's simply ourjob to pass it on to the next generation because everybody loses in war. now, i'm sure many like me, are hoping that this is

the end of putin, but who's to say what will follow will be any better . so before we get stuck better. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking is it time to leave the titanic in peace? according to the reports, a former employee of oceangate raised safety about the doomed safety concerns about the doomed titan in 2018. titan submersible back in 2018. now this comes as five people on board the vessel died after what was described as a catastrophic implosion. and now the titanic has claimed a further five lives more and that is over a century later. is it time to stop it? exploration altogether? then at 450, it's my royal roundup time. royal biographer angela levin will be live in the studio to give us the latest from behind the palace walls. and according give us the latest from behind thtauthore walls. and according give us the latest from behind thtauthor tom.ls. and according give us the latest from behind thtauthor tom bower, according give us the latest from behind thtauthor tom bower, the ording give us the latest from behind thtauthor tom bower, the duke| to author tom bower, the duke and duchess of sussex are planning to change their last name , spencer to spencer , in name, spencer to spencer, in a bid to princess diana .

name, spencer to spencer, in a bid to princess diana. i name, spencer to spencer, in a bid to princess diana . i don't bid to princess diana. i don't know what she'll be thinking, honestly, seriously. and we move on to this one. parents are up in arms as a teacher branded an eight year old pupil despicable after she rejected a classmates claim that she identified as a cat. i'll be joined by former eastenders actress danniella westbrook and media personality olly into that olly london to delve into that story. in my conversations that's on the way in the next houn that's on the way in the next hour. tell me what you think of everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet . gb news. write tweet me at. gb news. write let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and ofsted gb news, political commentator nigel nelson. right well, welcome aboard. nice to see you both. you're matching we dressed the same are indeed. i called nigel earlier and i i called nigel earlier and i said, are wee— called nigel earlier and i said, are you wearing— called nigel earlier and i said, are you wearing a— called nigel earlier and i said, are you wearing a striped shirt? hteth— are you wearing a striped shirt? heh. twe— are you wearing a striped shirt? heh. the get— are you wearing a striped shirt? well, i've got stripes,— are you wearing a striped shirt? well, i've got stripes, but- are you wearing a striped shirt? well, i've got stripes, but mine are thicker stripes in this way. there's a bit less on mine than yours. but i'll start with you, lizzie . this whole thing, this lizzie. this whole thing, this russian war, that's been going

on with ukraine, i mean, it's been going on too long. for starters, it is horrific. but what do we feel? there's some sort of potential change in sight? hope so. i mean, sight? well, i hope so. i mean, putin may sight? well, i hope so. i mean, hethh mew het— sight? well, i hope so. i mean, putin may not be— 3 w7 i mean, putin may not be toppled, but it wht— putin may not be toppled, but it whth ehomhtw— putin may not be toppled, but it will signify instantly weaken hhm— will signify instantly weaken hhm eht— will signify instantly weaken hhm eht h— will signify instantly weaken him and i found out quite a lot eheet— him and i found out quite a lot eheet thhe— him and i found out quite a lot about this wagner— him and i found out quite a lot about this wagner group on the way— about this wagner group on the wew hm— about this wagner group on the wew hm te— about this wagner group on the wew hm te he— about this wagner group on the way in, to be honest. and they are formidable. _ way in, to be honest. and they are formidable. you know, they thehr— are formidable. you know, they thehr teeter— are formidable. you know, they their leader is— are formidable. you know, they their leader is someone you tee-t— their leader is someone you teh-t weet— their leader is someone you don't want to _ their leader is someone you don't want to mess with. i mean, tee-t— don't want to mess with. i mean, teh-t teteet— don't want to mess with. i mean, don't forget, these _ don't want to mess with. i mean, don't forget, these people were ereetet— don't forget, these people were ereetet by— don't forget, these people were created by putin,— don't forget, these people were created by putin, took the hit for created by putin, took the hit her hteeehe— created by putin, took the hit for russia and— created by putin, took the hit for russia and they frankly had eheeth. — for russia and they frankly had enough- het— for russia and they frankly had enough. and the— for russia and they frankly had enough. and the fact is, with put..— enough. and the fact is, with hethm he-e— enough. and the fact is, with putin, he's done— enough. and the fact is, with putin, he's done such miscalculations from the war. he theetht— miscalculations from the war. he theetht ht— miscalculations from the war. he theeoht ht wee— miscalculations from the war. he thought it was going to be easy hhwethht— thought it was going to be easy invading ukraine.— thought it was going to be easy invading ukraine. who would have theetht— invading ukraine. who would have theetht thhe— invading ukraine. who would have thought this year— invading ukraine. who would have thought this year on and it's eth— thought this year on and it's ethtt thhe— thought this year on and it's still this bloodshed he cause he never imagined— still this bloodshed he cause he never imagined this that they weett— never imagined this that they weett hete— never imagined this that they would have such— never imagined this that they would have such resolve and now me— would have such resolve and now me mheeeet— would have such resolve and now he's misused the— would have such resolve and now he's misused the wagner group heeee— he's misused the wagner group heeee he— he's misused the wagner group because he thought they'd always because he thought they'd always he by— because he thought they'd always he by he— because he thought they'd always he by hhe ette— because he thought they'd always be by his side and— because he thought they'd always be by his side and he's actually thhhht— be by his side and he's actually thhhht hte— be by his side and he's actually killing his own— be by his side and he's actually killing his own people. now killing his own people. and now we hete— killing his own people. and now we hewe e— killing his own people. and now we hewe e eeep— killing his own people. and now we have a coup and for, you thew.— we have a coup and for, you thew. thhe— we have a coup and for, you know, this is— we have a coup and for, you know, this is a— we have a coup and for, you know, this is a massive distraction— know, this is a massive distraction from him fighting

htrehme— distraction from him fighting ukraine. he's— distraction from him fighting ukraine. he's now got a civil oh.— ukraine. he's now got a civil oh et— ukraine. he's now got a civil war. oh, of course.- ukraine. he's now got a civil war. ow rt.erc. t w war. oh, of course. the russian foreign ministry said in a statement that it warned western countries against using the wagner mercenary group as mutiny to achieve their russoft phobic goals. that's what they're saying, because a lot of people are talking about it now and a lot of people probably hoping that putin will be deposed. but that's what they're saying. yes, that's and i think yes, that's right. and i think thet— yes, that's right. and i think thet were— yes, that's right. and i think thet e— yes, that's right. and i think that we're a bit— yes, that's right. and i think that we're a bit premature to say— that we're a bit premature to eew hte— that we're a bit premature to eew ht-e e— that we're a bit premature to eew ht-e e eeep— that we're a bit premature to say it's a coup. what we've got is, say it's a coup. what we've got helheeee— say it's a coup. what we've got is,.tessa jowell_ say it's a coup. what we've got is,.tessa jowell it's- is, is tessa jowell it's a petehthet— is, is tessa jowell it's a potential-it's- is, is tessa jowell it's a- potential-it's something potential coup. it's something the—he- potential coup. it's something the—he em| potential coup. it's something. the—he eh the like 25,000 mercenary is on the merch— like 25,000 mercenary is on the mereh .— like 25,000 mercenary is on the mereh . whheh— like 25,000 mercenary is on the march , which lizzie says that march, which lizzie says that thew-re— march, which lizzie says that thew-re prettw— march, which lizzie says that they're pretty battle hardened, empteeeeht— they're pretty battle hardened, unpleasant people. and certainly the hhooeet— unpleasant people. and certainly the biggest crisis— unpleasant people. and certainly the biggest crisis that putin hee— the biggest crisis that putin hee teeet— the biggest crisis that putin hee teeet. h— the biggest crisis that putin has faced, i like— the biggest crisis that putin has faced, i like her comparison whth— has faced, i like her comparison whth heh— has faced, i like her comparison whth hhh ert— has faced, i like her comparison with 1917 and the— has faced, i like her comparison with 1917 and the russian revolution— with 1917 and the russian revolution that was sparked by, etehm— revolution that was sparked by, etehh .— revolution that was sparked by, eoehm . peepte— revolution that was sparked by, again , people being fed up with again, people being fed up with again, people being fed up with ewe hm thet— again, people being fed up with a war in that case,— again, people being fed up with a war in that case, the first hertt — a war in that case, the first hertt her. — a war in that case, the first world war. however, the only eeetheherw— world war. however, the only cautionary bit— world war. however, the only cautionary bit is— world war. however, the only cautionary bit is we have had eeepe— cautionary bit is we have had eeepe hm— cautionary bit is we have had coups in russian— cautionary bit is we have had coups in russian russia before. so coups in russian russia before. he he— coups in russian russia before. he he ee— coups in russian russia before. so no one against— coups in russian russia before. so no one against gorbachev in 1991,— so no one against gorbachev in thet twe— so no one against gorbachev in thet twe weete— so no one against gorbachev in 1991, two years later, another

etehhet— 1991, two years later, another one against boris— 1991, two years later, another one against boris yeltsin . one against boris yeltsin. hehther— one against boris yeltsin. hehther et— one against boris yeltsin. neither of those came to emwthhmo— neither of those came to anything. they didn't actually teppte— anything. they didn't actually teppte ehther— anything. they didn't actually topple either leader. so the emrw— topple either leader. so the emtw teeethem— topple either leader. so the only question here is whether ether— only question here is whether ether peepte— only question here is whether other people in— only question here is whether other people in russia in power in other people in russia in power he hteeehe— other people in russia in power in russia will— other people in russia in power in russia will end— other people in russia in power in russia will end up backing the whether— in russia will end up backing the wagner group and that could theh— the wagner group and that could them epert— the wagner group and that could them epert e— the wagner group and that could then spark a proper coup and a teteewer— then spark a proper coup and a teteever. — then spark a proper coup and a takeover . well,— then spark a proper coup and a takeover . well, if— then spark a proper coup and a takeover . �*ftr�*e;cc �*7 then spark a proper coup and a takeover. �*ftecc �*7 t takeover. well, if the russian troops are hungry, tired, malnourished , all those things malnourished, all those things that comes with war and obviously seeing their friends die and wanting to get out of this, then this could be something that they would go along young men that along with these young men that are made to fight for are being made to fight for russia have to pay for their own equipment. imean, russia have to pay for their own equipment. i mean, they at equipment. i mean, they are at thehr— equipment. i mean, they are at thehr-eth— equipment. i mean, they are at thehr-ehh eht— equipment. i mean, they are at their-ebb and a- equipment. i mean, they are at their-ebb and a lot- equipment. i mean, they are at their-ebb and a lot of. their lowest ebb and a lot of them — their lowest ebb and a lot of them hete— their lowest ebb and a lot of them hewe e— their lowest ebb and a lot of them have a lot— their lowest ebb and a lot of them have a lot of respect for the— them have a lot of respect for the whether— them have a lot of respect for the wagner group. and i really thhht— the wagner group. and i really think-putin's— the wagner group. and i really think-putin'sla- the wagner group. and i really think-putin'sla lot- think that putin's in a lot a tet— think that putin's in a lot a tet et— think that putin's in a lot a lot of trouble. _ think that putin's in a lot a lot of trouble. even in his epeeeh— lot of trouble. even in his epeeeh ht— lot of trouble. even in his speech, it-all- lot of trouble. even in his speech, it all muddled. the speech, it was all muddled. the hheterw— speech, it was all muddled. the hheterw. teete— speech, it was all muddled. the history, facts weren't correct. he history, facts weren't correct. he-reterrhht— history, facts weren't correct. he - referring to - history, facts weren't correct. he referring to the 1970s he was referring to the 1970s eht— he was referring to the 1970s eht theh— he was referring to the 1970s and civil war— he was referring to the 1970s and civil war in— he was referring to the 1970s and civil war in the 1990s like it and civil war in the 1990s like ht wee— and civil war in the 1990s like it was yesterday— and civil war in the 1990s like it was yesterday ,_ and civil war in the 1990s like it was yesterday , and that the it was yesterday, and that the thet— it was yesterday, and that the thret heht— it was yesterday, and that the first world war— it was yesterday, and that the first world war was brought on heeee— first world war was brought on heeee et— first world war was brought on because of mutiny. it wasn't he

teete— because of mutiny. it wasn't he teete hte— because of mutiny. it wasn't he teete hhe ew— because of mutiny. it wasn't he feeds his own people, lies and he herte— feeds his own people, lies and he herte hte— feeds his own people, lies and he hurts his own— feeds his own people, lies and he hurts his own people. and tremttw— he hurts his own people. and frankly the — he hurts his own people. and frankly, the russian people will teeewe— frankly, the russian people will deserve better.— frankly, the russian people will deserve better. but a lot of them — deserve better. but a lot of them ee— deserve better. but a lot of them are behind him. ' them are behind him. a lot of them— them are behind him. a lot of them eer— them are behind him. a lot of them are behind him. a lot of them are behind him, though. and but they're scared if they if and but they're scared if they ht thew— and but they're scared if they ht thew eew— and but they're scared if they if they say anything against htethm— if they say anything against hethm thew— if they say anything against putin, they thrown into putin, they get thrown into heht— putin, they get thrown into reht. thet-e— putin, they get thrown into jail. that's the _ putin, they get thrown into jail. that's the fact. 1935 jail. that's the fact. 30s hheeh— jail. that's the fact. 30s nigelr te— jail. that's the fact. 30s nigelr te wee— jail. that's the fact. 30s nigel, to you just the actual rallies between prigozhin and the of the of wagner the leader of the of the wagner group and the russian generals about the prosecute of the war. so he in fact is a putin is a reth— so he in fact is a putin is a putin supporter,— so he in fact is a putin is a putin supporter, but he's asked to putin supporter, but he's asked te teth— putin supporter, but he's asked te tett te— putin supporter, but he's asked to talk to them— putin supporter, but he's asked to talk to them on— putin supporter, but he's asked to talk to them on the way. hee— to talk to them on the way. he eetet — to talk to them on the way. he's asked to— to talk to them on the way. he's asked to talk- to talk to them on the way. he's asked to talk to- to talk to them on the way. he's asked to talk to the generals, but he's on his way to moscow. moscow with 25,000 treepe. — moscow. moscow with 25,000 treepe. teeettw — t moscow with 25,000 troops. exactly t c troops. exactly doesn't that doesn't bode well, if you like. that doesn't look like talking. het— that doesn't look like talking. hetlteh-t— that doesn't look like talking. butldon't think— that doesn't look like talking. butldon't think that's- that doesn't look like talking. but don't think that's talking but i don't think that's talking with a of tea and scone. with a cup of tea and a scone. that's sort of chat that's not that sort of chat look. also rebellion led to the neil kinnock mercenary group having claimed control of military sites in two russian cities. uk defence officials heee— cities. uk defence officials heeee-- cities. uk defence officials| have-as-most have described as the most ehomhtheeht— have described as the mostj significant—the significant challenge to the hremthm— significant challenge to the kremlin-recent- significant challenge to the kremlin recent times. kremlin in recent times. meanwhile,— kremlin in recent times.- meanwhile,-foreign meanwhile, russia's foreign hhhhetrw— meanwhile, russia's foreign hhhhetrw hee— meanwhile, russia's foreign ministry has said a statement ministry has said in a statement thet—

ministry has said in a statement thetlwemet— ministry has said in a statement that warned western countries that it warned western countries etehhet— that it warned western countries etehhet-the— that it warned western countries against the wagner against using the wagner mercenary mutiny mercenary groups mutiny to eehhewe— mercenary groups mutiny to achieve their— mercenary groups mutiny to achieve their russophobic goals. as achieve their russophobic goals. he h— achieve their russophobic goals. as i mentioned— achieve their russophobic goals. as i mentioned earlier, to theeeee— as i mentioned earlier, to discuss this,— as i mentioned earlier, to discuss this, i'm joined by a termer— discuss this, i'm joined by a former head— discuss this, i'm joined by a former head of— discuss this, i'm joined by a former head of counter—terrorism mhmhetrw— former head of counter—terrorism mhmhetrw et— former head of counter—terrorism ministry of defence, major eemeret— ministry of defence, major general chip— ministry of defence, major general chip chapman. major eemeret— general chip chapman. major eemeret chhp— general chip chapman. major general chip chapman. major general chip chapman , what do general chip chapman, what do you general chip chapman, what do wee thhht— general chip chapman, what do wee thhmt te— general chip chapman, what do you think to this— general chip chapman, what do you think to this ?_ general chip chapman, what do you think to this ? is it you think to this? is it potentially— you think to this? is it potentially that we using potentially that we are using the— potentially that we are using thhe ee— potentially that we are using this as-saying?- this as they're saying? russophobic- this as they're saying? russophobic nobody's against hteeehe— russophobic nobody's against hteeehelteet— russophobic nobody's against russia.-just-war- russophobic nobody's against russia. just war we russia. it's just the war we tee-t— russia. it's just the war we teh-t hte— russia. it's just the war we teh-t thte . — russia. it's just the war we don't like . well,- russia. it's just the war we don't like . �*ftr�*e;cc cc don't like. well, we still have war aims, which is we'd like to see ukraine win because russia's invaded ukraine. so that's the first thing. there's never been unity of command in russia and that's been the problem with how the wagner group has been used alongside military . the wagner group has been used alongside military. this alongside the military. this attempted it's not really a coup, but this sort of march on on moscow, if it does turn out to be that shows that both the unity of command is missing and the fact that you've got this infighting which is going to breed this psychological ripples, which originally we saw in belgorod with the incursions by the liberty of russia group. so that amplifies it. and it's

really whether this is a triggering event and the real determinant of whether putin goes or prigozhin goes is really who stays loyal or defects. if the army stay loyal to putin, he's still okay. but the tsar makers and all of this have always been the intelligence and security services. that's the fsb, the successor agency to the kgb , the gru and the svr . now, kgb, the gru and the svr. now, at the moment, from what we've seen with the pronouncements of the fsb that there is a warrant out for prigozhin's arrest, the fsb that there is a warrant out for prigozhin's arrest , that out for prigozhin's arrest, that would seem to suggest that they're on putin's side. so it's whether those elements are loyal or defect that will determine where this goes . you said fsb, where this goes. you said fsb, whet— where this goes. you said fsb, whet teee— where this goes. you said fsb, what does that— where this goes. you said fsb, what does that stand- he; 3 you said fsb, what does that stand for, the rep.— what does that stand for, the the. wee— what does that stand for, the rep. wee eeht— what does that stand for, the fsb, you said the— what does that stand for, the fsb, you said the federal seeerhtw— fsb, you said the federal security bureau. so that is the successor agency to the kgb. so they're the ones who've always had skin in the game. on all those things that you mentioned earlier on about who's taken overin earlier on about who's taken over in the 90s and yeltsin and all that sort of stuff. so they

are the absolute tsar makers in all so defect or stay all of this. so defect or stay loyal that will be the key determinant. but there's one key thing in this, and that is that putin's domestic authority has been undermined . this has been a been undermined. this has been a running sore with prigozhin for a of months where he's a number of months where he's been pushing the boundaries and putin let this slip and escalate with no timely response. so he's weakened significantly this . weakened significantly by this. but the word of caution here is that we used to say in the west that we used to say in the west that we used to say in the west that we didn't merely have a putin problem, but a putin problem, but we had a russian problem that is all those for power think the those vying for power think the same. now see that russia same. we now see that russia also has a russia problem , at also has a russia problem, at least in the same term. but prigozhin isn't, you know, he's not in favour of the west. i mean, he seeks to catalyse a nationalist rebirth in russia. he may suggest west that, you know, russia is defeated in the short term in order to catalyse everything for a future victory. for example , he said that on the for example, he said that on the 25th of may, which is when he should have been shut down by by

putin, that they need to mobilise the manpower and they need to mobilise everything with the workers and live like north korea for a number of years. so this is a bad, bad guy. so don't, don't, don't think that just putin goes that he won't be succeeded by someone who's as bad or not worse. and the catalogue of people who might succeed him are pretty bad people. there's no sort of west leaning liberal opposition there waiting to take over at the moment unless there is an absolute strategic defeat of russia. well, absolute strategic defeat of russia . well, that's that was my russia. well, that's that was my pehht— russia. well, that's that was my pehht h— russia. well, that's that was my pehht h mete— russia. well, that's that was my point i made earlier,— t well, that's that was my point i made earlier, actually, thet— point i made earlier, actually, that potentially— point i made earlier, actually, that potentially what you could hewe — that potentially what you could hewe eeett— that potentially what you could have could even— that potentially what you could have could even be worse . but have could even be worse. but het— have could even be worse. but het hhtet— have could even be worse. but but nigel mentioned that preoreeehem— but nigel mentioned that progression actually is a eepperter— progression actually is a eepperter et— progression actually is a supporter of putin. he does eeppert— supporter of putin. he does eeppert htethm— supporter of putin. he does support putin. so even though he-e— support putin. so even though he-e merehhht— support putin. so even though he's marching there with an em.— he's marching there with an army he-e— he's marching there with an army, he's somebody who has not eeht— army, he's somebody who has not eeht emwthhht— army, he's somebody who has not said anything bad— army, he's somebody who has not said anything bad about putin wet.— said anything bad about putin wet. he— said anything bad about putin wet. he wee— said anything bad about putin wet. he e— said anything bad about putin yet. he was a supporter of putin enth— yet. he was a supporter of putin emtht the— yet. he was a supporter of putin until the announcement from htethm— until the announcement from pete the— until the announcement from putin this morning . he;r?c putin this morning. his real gripe— putin this morning. his real gripe whth— putin this morning. his real gripe with the military chain of command, both the defence ministry of shoygu and gerasimov, the theatre commander

, that they weren't prosecuting the war in a way which was satisfactory to an outcome for russia's russia's favour. so he was really going to try and get those was sacked already by putin. the fact that putin came out this morning and said, you're the bad dude and we're going to deal with you, that's when he's changed. for example, his telegram channel output significantly. so again , to significantly. so again, to think he's on putin's side now, it would be wrong. and that's what is changing in the last day as we will see other things changing in the next day. i think and briefly, we've think and very briefly, we've got 20s left media got about 20s left russian media outlets. that outlets. they're reporting that the hepetw— outlets. they're reporting that the deputy prime— they're reporting that the deputy prime minister, denis hehterew— the deputy prime minister, denis hehterew-teet— the deputy prime minister, denis manturov,-just left- the deputy prime minister, denis manturov, just left russia manturov, has just left russia for manturov, has just left russia tet-.— manturov, has just left russia ter-. thet— manturov, has just left russia for-. that sounds- for turkey. that sounds like me— for turkey. that sounds like me eeret— for turkey. that sounds like he's scared .— for turkey. that sounds like he's scared . he's running he's scared. he's running eeret— he's scared. he's running eeret he-e— he's scared. he's running scared. he's getting out of there— scared. he's getting out of there-teee- scared. he's getting out of there case somebody is there just in case somebody is eemhmt— there just in case somebody is eemhht-hhm. - there just in case somebody is coming-him. it- there just in case somebody is coming him. c t: coming to get him. it could be eeem.— coming to get him. it could be again, plays the again, this plays into the defect stayed loyal . the defect or stayed loyal. the elite being around putin for elite of being around putin for 24 years. they've got to buy into the regime. prigozhin doesn't have an elite base at the moment . doesn't have an elite base at the moment. i'd say that putin is in the ascendancy , but it

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been missing since last sunday. having lost contact with its surface support ship just an hour and 45 minutes into its dive . now, the vessel run by a dive. now, the vessel run by a company called oceangate, offers customers chances to visit the wreck for around £200,000. and the tragedy immediately led to calls for stricter regulation and for deep sea dives such as these, particularly as it's emerging that the ceo of oceangate repeatedly dismissed sevilla safety concerns around the sub. he was, of course, on board, but is it now time to forget exploration to the site altogether? and finally, just leave the wreck of the century old disaster in peace ? so the old disaster in peace? so the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is it time to leave the titanic in peace? i'm joined now by political commentator matthew stadlen, spokesperson for the british titanic society. martin tweeting him and martin blythe tweeting him and former labour mp denis macshane . okay, so i'm going to start then with you to try to read this. let me see. martin. martin blythe, please talk to me about

this. what what's your thoughts on this? first, we'll start with you. martin good afternoon, nana and the british titanic society . we've always sat on the fence , . we've always sat on the fence . eeeemthehw— . we've always sat on the fence , essentially when _ . we've always sat on the fence , essentially when it— we've always sat on the fence , essentially when it comes to the— , essentially when it comes to thhe tehete— , essentially when it comes to thhe tehete .— , essentially when it comes to this debate , but— , essentially when it comes to this debate , but we've respected this debate, but we've respected heth— this debate, but we've respected heth the— this debate, but we've respected both the views— this debate, but we've respected both the views of— this debate, but we've respected both the views of our members whe— both the views of our members whe ee— both the views of our members whe hm— both the views of our members who are in favour— both the views of our members who are in favour of going down to who are in favour of going down te the— who are in favour of going down to the wreckage,— who are in favour of going down to the wreckage, learning more eheet— to the wreckage, learning more eheet the— to the wreckage, learning more about the titanic,— to the wreckage, learning more about the titanic, which, as we thew.— about the titanic, which, as we know, was a great— about the titanic, which, as we know, was a great feat of ehohmeerhmt— know, was a great feat of engineering ing at its time back in engineering ing at its time back he the— engineering ing at its time back he the eertw— engineering ing at its time back in the early 1900s. _ engineering ing at its time back in the early 1900s. but we've etee— in the early 1900s. but we've also obviously— in the early 1900s. but we've also obviously respected the rtee— also obviously respected the et— also obviously respected the views of people— also obviously respected the views of people who believe that the theme— views of people who believe that the titanic is— views of people who believe that the titanic is a— views of people who believe that the titanic is a mass grave site emt— the titanic is a mass grave site and therefore— the titanic is a mass grave site and therefore should be left wett— and therefore should be left weh eheme— and therefore should be left weh etehe .— and therefore should be left well alone . we— and therefore should be left well alone . we have to consider well alone. we have to consider thet.— well alone. we have to consider thet. et— well alone. we have to consider that, of course,— well alone. we have to consider that, of course, the— well alone. we have to consider that, of course, the titanic ette— that, of course, the titanic ehte hteett— that, of course, the titanic site itself, no— that, of course, the titanic site itself, no longer has any hemeh— site itself, no longer has any human remains— site itself, no longer has any human remains in place and themttehw— human remains in place and thankfully, international legislation— thankfully, international legislation prevents removing erteteete— legislation prevents removing artefacts from _ legislation prevents removing artefacts from the titanic now. het— artefacts from the titanic now. hht et— artefacts from the titanic now. and of course— artefacts from the titanic now. and of course it— artefacts from the titanic now. and of course it prevents us trem— and of course it prevents us from accessing— and of course it prevents us from accessing the site threettw— from accessing the site threettw. h— from accessing the site directly. i think what we can prehehtw— directly. i think what we can prehehtw eh— directly. i think what we can probably all agree on is that at teep— probably all agree on is that at teep ee— probably all agree on is that at deep sea exploration to the theme— deep sea exploration to the titanic site,— deep sea exploration to the titanic site, down at 3800m is

prehehtw— titanic site, down at 3800m is probably unwise— titanic site, down at 3800m is probably unwise without any terther— probably unwise without any further regulation and without ehrheeetw— further regulation and without ehrheeetw e— further regulation and without obviously a full— further regulation and without obviously a full investigation as obviously a full investigation ee te— obviously a full investigation ee te whet— obviously a full investigation as to what has— obviously a full investigation as to what has happened with the— as to what has happened with thhe eeem— as to what has happened with this ocean gate— as to what has happened with this ocean gate submersible . this ocean gate submersible. heeh— this ocean gate submersible. heeh. ht— this ocean gate submersible. heeh. ht teee— this ocean gate submersible. yeah, it does seem— this ocean gate submersible. yeah, it does seem i- this ocean gate submersible. “e? w c w this ocean gate submersible. yeah, it does seem i mean, if i look at it, it seems foolish to go onto such a mission like this. it is, after all, a grave site. and most people would consider to leave that in peace. but dennis mcshane, your thoughts us people died. thoughts us 1500 people died. the thoughts us 1500 people died. the meet— thoughts us 1500 people died. the most frightened— 3 us 1500 people died. the most frightened death, we are the most frightened death, we ere-tetew. — the most frightened death, we are .today. those - the most frightened death, we are today. those poor are told today. those poor peepte— are told today. those poor peepte eht— are told today. those poor people and our- are told today. those poor people and our thoughts are with them — people and our thoughts are with them .thehr— people and our thoughts are with them their families who died them and their families who died in-submersible. _ them and their families who died in-submersible. it— them and their families who died in submersible. it just in the submersible. it just eettehtw— in the submersible. it just suddenly-backl in the submersible. it just suddenly-back it suddenly happened back and it was over there— suddenly happened back and it was over there on— suddenly happened back and it was over there on the titanic. verw— was over there on the titanic. herw thttereht— was over there on the titanic. very different .— was over there on the titanic. very different . it— was over there on the titanic. very different . it wasn't a very different. it wasn't a treet— very different. it wasn't a greet teet— very different. it wasn't a great feat of— very different. it wasn't a great feat of british engineering. there weren't eheeth— engineering. there weren't enough lifeboats board. enough lifeboats on board. the eeptehh— enough lifeboats on board. the captain couldn't— enough lifeboats on board. the captain couldn't read a map. there— captain couldn't read a map. hhere wert— captain couldn't read a map. there wasn't proper radio etehpmemt— there wasn't proper radio equipment, didn't reply to eetetw— equipment, didn't reply to safety signals. _ equipment, didn't reply to safety signals. and it was a twpheet— safety signals. and it was a typical british— safety signals. and it was a typical british mess up. all the tetee— typical british mess up. all the rules were changed following the theme.— rules were changed following the titanic. that's— rules were changed following the titanic. that's the— rules were changed following the titanic. that's the way we do three— titanic. that's the way we do the e— titanic. that's the way we do three e tet— titanic. that's the way we do things a lot of— titanic. that's the way we do things a lot of people have to die things a lot of people have to the eht— things a lot of people have to the eht theh— things a lot of people have to die and then we— things a lot of people have to die and then we change the law or die and then we change the law er the— die and then we change the law er the tetee— die and then we change the law or the rules sensibly. but eeteehw— or the rules sensibly. but actually, for— or the rules sensibly. but actually, for me, the spirit of theee— actually, for me, the spirit of theee hoe — actually, for me, the spirit of

those 1500 people are there. heere— those 1500 people are there. heere them— those 1500 people are there. leave them be.— those 1500 people are there. leave them be. you can visit the hetttethette— leave them be. you can visit the battlefields of— leave them be. you can visit the battlefields of the _ leave them be. you can visit the battlefields of the first world pr...— battlefields of the first world pr... het— battlefields of the first world pr... het eh— battlefields of the first world war, but all the— battlefields of the first world war, but all the bodies there tetee— war, but all the bodies there were taken away— war, but all the bodies there were taken away and buried with treet— were taken away and buried with greet thomhtw— were taken away and buried with greet thomhtw hm— were taken away and buried with great dignity in the great war tree— great dignity in the great war graves across northern flanders eht— graves across northern flanders eht treme— graves across northern flanders and france. there's no there's no and france. there's no there's he etrehtere— and france. there's no there's no adventure there. you don't theeerer— no adventure there. you don't discover anything. it's just oewthht— discover anything. it's just gawking through a thick window. so gawking through a thick window. se herhht— gawking through a thick window. se herhmo heer— gawking through a thick window. so having been lowered to the hettem— so having been lowered to the hettem. hte— so having been lowered to the hettem. ht-e h— so having been lowered to the bottom, it's i feel— so having been lowered to the bottom, it's i feel terribly eerrw— bottom, it's i feel terribly eerrw ter— bottom, it's i feel terribly sorry for the _ bottom, it's i feel terribly sorry for the young man . if his sorry for the young man. if his tether— sorry for the young man. if his father wanted— sorry for the young man. if his father wanted to _ sorry for the young man. if his father wanted to turn him into an adventurer,— father wanted to turn him into an adventurer, let— father wanted to turn him into an adventurer, let him climb on heert— an adventurer, let him climb on heert whth— an adventurer, let him climb on board with experienced alpine tehtee— board with experienced alpine oehtee theh— board with experienced alpine guidesr them 90— board with experienced alpine guides, then go across the httemthe— guides, then go across the atlantic sailing, but not just go atlantic sailing, but not just 90 tewm— atlantic sailing, but not just go down there— atlantic sailing, but not just go down there and die this ete — go down there and die this ete het— go down there and die this waste. but he— go down there and die this waste. r: r: w c waste. but he didn't know. i mean, obviously he didn't know that he was going to die. and obviously nobody would have gone in there if they thought that would the matthew would be the case. matthew stadlen nana first of stadlen yeah, hi nana first of all, i think it's just incredibly sad that those five people their lives in a people lost their lives in a way. i don't mind what their methrethem— way. i don't mind what their. motivation—come way. i don't mind what their- motivation_come to motivation was when we come to teet— motivation was when we come to teet-ter— motivation was when we come to teet-ter them— motivation was when we come to feel for them because they feel sorry for them because they all feel sorry for them because they eh eeet— feel sorry for them because they all count, right?— feel sorry for them because they all count, right? whether thew-re— all count, right? whether they're however old. so

they're 19 or however old. so thet-e— they're 19 or however old. so thet-e the— they're 19 or however old. so that's the first— they're 19 or however old. so that's the first thing is it's a treoetw. — that's the first thing is it's a treoetw. ee— that's the first thing is it's a tragedy. so second thing is, as far tragedy. so second thing is, as tet—te— tragedy. so second thing is, as tet—te heere- tragedy. so second thing is, as far—to leave the. far as whether to leave the theme— far as whether to leave the hhtehhe-he— far as whether to leave the titanic is concerned, titanic alone is concerned, i thhht— titanic alone is concerned, i thhmt ht— titanic alone is concerned, i thhmt ht he— titanic alone is concerned, i think it is about— titanic alone is concerned, i think it is about motivation. herte— think it is about motivation. boris johnson— think it is about motivation. boris johnson has written a pheee— boris johnson has written a pheee hm— boris johnson has written a pheee he the— boris johnson has written a piece in the mail, hasn't he? hetew— piece in the mail, hasn't he? hetew eett— piece in the mail, hasn't he? today sort celebrating the today sort of celebrating the hrhtheh— today sort of celebrating the. british _ adventurers. british heroism of adventurers. i'm british heroism of adventurers. h-m het— british heroism of adventurers. h-m met ee— british heroism of adventurers. i'm not sure that's really eppreprhete— i'm not sure that's really appropriate. if- i'm not sure that's really appropriate. if you are really erpterhht— appropriate. if you are really exploring .— appropriate. if you are really exploring , you're really trying exploring, you're really trying to exploring, you're really trying te teet— exploring, you're really trying te teet et— exploring, you're really trying to look at the— exploring, you're really trying to look at the history. if weete— to look at the history. if weete-te- to look at the history. if you're to further you're trying to further humankind— you're trying to further humankind by your endeavour. thet-e— humankind by your endeavour. mete-thet.— humankind by your endeavour. hhet-e-thhht. h— humankind by your endeavour. that's thing. i don't know that's one thing. i don't know whet— that's one thing. i don't know whet the— that's one thing. i don't know what the motivations of these thre— what the motivations of these thre peepte — what the motivations of these five people who've tragically teet—wee - five people who've tragically lost-was, but- five people who've tragically lost-was, but it. lost their lives was, but it etrhtee— lost their lives was, but it etrhtee me— lost their lives was, but it strikes me that- lost their lives was, but it strikes me that it could well here— strikes me that it could well here heem— strikes me that it could well have been something akin to sort of have been something akin to sort et etrehtere— have been something akin to sort of adventure tourism. some sort of adventure tourism. some sort et theetheh— of adventure tourism. some sort of ghoulish sightseeing and i thhht— of ghoulish sightseeing and i thhmt thet— of ghoulish sightseeing and i think that just— of ghoulish sightseeing and i think that just quickly leads to the-pehht— think that just quickly leads to the-pehmt th— think that just quickly leads to the point i'll make, and the final point i'll make, and thet—wee- that is that there was a ghoulishness- that is that there was a ghoulishness to the coverage. heepte—eheet people became obsessed about the— people became obsessed about thhe-ereemt— people became obsessed about this-around the- people became obsessed about this around the country this right around the country eht— this right around the country eht he— this right around the country and no doubt— this right around the country and no doubt further afield as wet— and no doubt further afield as wet the— and no doubt further afield as well. the media— and no doubt further afield as well. the media were obsessed eheet— well. the media were obsessed eheet-wett— well. the media were obsessed eheet-weh .— well. the media were obsessed about-well . and- well. the media were obsessed about-well . and i- about it as well. and i absolutely— about it as well. and i absolutely-to- about it as well. and i absolutely to make about it as well. and i- absolutely-to make this absolutely want to make this pehht— absolutely want to make this pehht eoehh— absolutely want to make this point again before i before i thhheh— point again before i before i thhheh h— point again before i before i thhheh h te— point again before i before i finish, i do care— point again before i before i finish, i do care about these peepte.— finish, i do care about these peepte. h— finish, i do care about these peepte. r tep-t— finish, i do care about these people. i don't care whether thew-re— people. i don't care whether they're billionaires or not. they— they're billionaires or not. thew-metter. - they're billionaires or not. they matter. there they're billionaires or not. - they-matter.-there was they all matter. but there was a reettw— they all matter. but there was a reettw eht— they all matter. but there was a reettw eht h— they all matter. but there was a vastly and i think— they all matter. but there was a vastly and i think grossly

disproportionate coverage of the— disproportionate coverage of thhe eterw. — disproportionate coverage of thhe eterw. _wee- disproportionate coverage of this story. you compare it this story. when you compare it to this story. when you compare it te whet— this story. when you compare it to what happened— this story. when you compare it to what happened in the mediterranean last week, there rho — mediterranean last week, there rho-eh— mediterranean last week, there were 750 _on a - mediterranean last week, there were 750 on a boat, were 750 people on a boat, a thehhht— were 750 people on a boat, a thehhmo heee— were 750 people on a boat, a fishing boat, essentially 100 ehhttrem— fishing boat, essentially 100 children. they— fishing boat, essentially 100 children. they had no say in the— children. they had no say in thhe hoo— children. they had no say in this 100 children— children. they had no say in this 100 children below deck. het— this 100 children below deck. hht ep— this 100 children below deck. hht ep te— this 100 children below deck. and up to about— this 100 children below deck. and up to about 500 people fear teet. — and up to about 500 people fear teet. het— and up to about 500 people fear teet. hht wet— and up to about 500 people fear dead. and yet that— and up to about 500 people fear dead. and yet that gets barely any— dead. and yet that gets barely ehw eerereeo— dead. and yet that gets barely any coverage. so— dead. and yet that gets barely any coverage. so i think we have to any coverage. so i think we have te teet— any coverage. so i think we have te teet et— any coverage. so i think we have te teet et the— any coverage. so i think we have to look at the way— any coverage. so i think we have to look at the way we value the. — to look at the way we value life. everyone— to look at the way we value life. everyone counts, whether weete— life. everyone counts, whether weere e— life. everyone counts, whether you're a billionaire or a meeem.— you're a billionaire or a migrant. the- you're a billionaire or a migrant. the billionaires count. hee— migrant. the billionaires count. hee eh— migrant. the billionaires count. hee eew— migrant. the billionaires count. you can say that— migrant. the billionaires count. you can say that to— migrant. the billionaires count. you can say that to the leftists . thew— you can say that to the leftists . hhew eeet— you can say that to the leftists . they count. absolutely they te— . they count. absolutely they te. het— . they count. absolutely they te. het ee— . they count. absolutely they te. het ee te— . they count. absolutely they do. but so do the— . they count. absolutely they do. but so do the migrants. i ten-t— do. but so do the migrants. i ten-t thhmt— do. but so do the migrants. i don't think anyone's- do. but so do the migrants. i don't think anyone's saying the migrants count. this migrants don't count. this is a it's just unusual. so when there's that's there's something that's unusual, to people unusual, we're used to people going there. not that going across there. not that it's don't it's acceptable that we don't cover enough , if in your cover it enough, if in your view. but the bottom line is this a different that this was a different thing that no anyone go no one's really seen anyone go in submersible and this in the submersible and for this to happen. think that's to happen. so i think that's really what the coverage was. but anyway, thank you very much for thoughts. matthew for your thoughts. matthew stadlen also for for your thoughts. matthew statbritish also for for your thoughts. matthew statbritish titanic. also for for your thoughts. matthew statbritish titanic. martin) for the british titanic. martin blythe him blythe tweeting to him and former dennis mcshane. former labour mp dennis mcshane. thank joining thank you very much for joining me. with me on nana

me. well, you're with me on nana akua this is gb news on tv onune akua this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. after the break, we'll continue with british debate. with the great british debate. this asking, it this hour. i'm asking, is it time to leave the titanic in peace? the thoughts my peace? due to the thoughts of my panel broadcaster columnist panel broadcaster and columnist lizzie gb news lizzie cundy. also gb news senior commentator senior political commentator nigel first, nigel nelson. but first, let's get news headlines . get your latest news headlines. thank you very much , nana. i'm thank you very much, nana. i'm herw— thank you very much, nana. i'm herw smhth— thank you very much, nana. i'm herw smhth hm— thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the— thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom . rory smith in the gb newsroom. hteeehe— rory smith in the gb newsroom. hteeehe eemte— rory smith in the gb newsroom. russia sends a— rory smith in the gb newsroom. russia sends a warning to the eheet— russia sends a warning to the eheet etehhet— russia sends a warning to the west against using the wagner mereemerw treep— west against using the wagner mercenary group rebellion to eehhere— mercenary group rebellion to achieve what— mercenary group rebellion to achieve what it— mercenary group rebellion to achieve what it calls russia phehhe— achieve what it calls russia phehhe teete.— achieve what it calls russia phobic goals. the leader of the mereemerw treep— phobic goals. the leader of the mercenary group, yevgeny erhoezhhm— mercenary group, yevgeny prigozhin, accuses russia's mhthterw— prigozhin, accuses russia's military chiefs— prigozhin, accuses russia's military chiefs of attacking his tee— military chiefs of attacking his he eht— military chiefs of attacking his forces and lying— military chiefs of attacking his forces and lying to justify the hm— forces and lying to justify the war in ukraine.— forces and lying to justify the war in ukraine. the group are merehhht— war in ukraine. the group are marching towards moscow . it marching towards moscow. it etehme— marching towards moscow. it claims russian— marching towards moscow. it claims russian helicopters have etreetw— claims russian helicopters have etreetw epemet— claims russian helicopters have already opened fire on them. moscow's mayor— already opened fire on them. moscow's mayor says a counter—terrorism regime has heer— counter—terrorism regime has heeh teeteret— counter—terrorism regime has been declared in— counter—terrorism regime has been declared in the capital. hteethteete— been declared in the capital. roadblocks are _ been declared in the capital. roadblocks are being built

eetehte— roadblocks are being built outside the— roadblocks are being built outside the city. the uk government— outside the city. the uk government has hailed an emeroehew— government has hailed an emergency cobra meeting this ettemeeh — emergency cobra meeting this afternoon and— emergency cobra meeting this afternoon and the prime minister thehh— afternoon and the prime minister thehh eemet— afternoon and the prime minister thehh sehet he— afternoon and the prime minister rishi sunak is in— afternoon and the prime minister rishi sunak is in touch with ehhee— rishi sunak is in touch with allies. president— rishi sunak is in touch with allies. president putin accuses hrhtezhhh— allies. president putin accuses erhoezhhm et— allies. president putin accuses prigozhin of treason and armed methhw— prigozhin of treason and armed methhw. — prigozhin of treason and armed mutiny . smooth— prigozhin of treason and armed mutiny . smooth any- prigozhin of treason and armed mutiny . ?wg mutiny. smooth any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood, to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our people, our actions to protect the homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those who deliberately - w?5w all those who deliberately took “e5“ all those who deliberately took the e5“ all those who deliberately took the path all those who deliberately took the path of betrayal,— deliberately took the path of betrayal, who _ deliberately took the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny,— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who took— betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who took path of mutiny, who took the path of blackmail— mutiny, who took the path of blackmail terrorist methods, blackmail and terrorist methods, will-inevitable- will suffer an inevitable punishment,— will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both to the law— punishment, will answer both to the law and— punishment, will answer both to the he the te— punishment, will answer both to the law and to our— punishment, will answer both to the law and to our people . c the law and to our people. it's the— the law and to our people. it's this afternoon,— the law and to our people. it's this afternoon, a— the law and to our people. it's this afternoon, a team of sevilla investigators are on board the main support ship of the of the titan submersible. after it returned to the harbour following the deep sea vessel's fatal implosion in flags on board the polar prince were at half mast and had arrived at the

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news news. good afternoon. this is news news. good afternoon. this he eh— news news. good afternoon. this he he newe— news news. good afternoon. this is gb news. we're— news news. good afternoon. this is gb news. we're live— \t \ good afternoon. this is gb news. we're live on tv, ehthhe— is gb news. we're live on tv, ehhhhe eht— is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on— is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm heht— online and on digital radio. i'm hehe athe— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. let's— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. let's turn once again to the— nana akua. let's turn once again to the extraordinary— nana akua. let's turn once again to the extraordinary scenes that eeehhe— to the extraordinary scenes that eeehhg h— to the extraordinary scenes that we're seeing in russia. the heeeew— we're seeing in russia. the heeeew mayor— we're seeing in russia. the moscow mayor saying that the etteetteh— moscow mayor saying that the situation difficult that situation is difficult and that a counter—terrorism regime has been— a counter—terrorism regime has been tethered— a counter—terrorism regime has been declared in— a counter—terrorism regime has been declared in the capital and there— been declared in the capital and there the— been declared in the capital and there are also— been declared in the capital and there are also roadblocks being hettt— there are also roadblocks being heth—ee- there are also roadblocks being huhtt—se tel built outside moscow. so to theeuee— built outside moscow. so to theeuee th— built outside moscow. so to discuss, i'm joined by former uk ehheeeetet— discuss, i'm joined by former uk ambassador to— discuss, i'm joined by former uk ambassador to russia, sir tony hehteh— ambassador to russia, sir tony hehteh .— ambassador to russia, sir tony hehteh . tom/t— ambassador to russia, sir tony brenton . tony, talk to me about brenton. tony, talk to me about the— brenton. tony, talk to me about thhe theh— brenton. tony, talk to me about this then, because— brenton. tony, talk to me about this then, because now it feels the— this then, because now it feels like something— this then, because now it feels like something is— this then, because now it feels like something is definitely eheet.— like something is definitely eteet. ahe— like something is definitely afoot. and the— like something is definitely afoot. and the people themselves are now concerned— afoot. and the people themselves are now concerned about what's whet-e— are now concerned about what's whet-e happening-— are now concerned about what's what's happening. yeah no, eemethhhe— what's happening. yeah no, something is,— what's happening. yeah no, something is, as you put it, tethhhtehy— something is, as you put it, definitely afoot. ' “t: definitely afoot. and this is a genuine threat to putin's survival as president. partly the whole situation- survival as president. partly the whole situation is- : partly the whole situation is putin's teeth— the whole situation is putin's teuht. he— the whole situation is putin's teuht. he eet— the whole situation is putin's fault. he set prigozhin up in a way— fault. he set prigozhin up in a wet ee— fault. he set prigozhin up in a way he a— fault. he set prigozhin up in a way as a as a challenger to the hehth— way as a as a challenger to the north eeeuthty— way as a as a challenger to the north, security and— way as a as a challenger to the north, security and army authorities— north, security and army authorities in— north, security and army authorities in russia who didn't hettteth— authorities in russia who didn't pettehh veh— authorities in russia who didn't perform very well— authorities in russia who didn't perform very well at the heghhhhhg— perform very well at the beginning of—

perform very well at the beginning of the ukrainian war to jog— beginning of the ukrainian war to jog theh— beginning of the ukrainian war to jog them into— beginning of the ukrainian war to jog them into being more etteette— to jog them into being more etteethve .— to jog them into being more effective , which— to jog them into being more effective , which to some extent effective, which to some extent they-ve— effective, which to some extent they-he tehe— effective, which to some extent they've done. but— effective, which to some extent they've done. but but the wagner heteeheh group,— they've done. but but the wagner mercenary group, which prigozhin teete— mercenary group, which prigozhin teete teete— mercenary group, which prigozhin leads leads, has— mercenary group, which prigozhin leads leads, has suffered in theee— leads leads, has suffered in theee h— leads leads, has suffered in those in those— leads leads, has suffered in those in those battles. it's been— those in those battles. it's been the— those in those battles. it's been the most— those in those battles. it's been the most successful hhthtth— been the most successful military performer in the last in military performer in the last he the— military performer in the last he the teet— military performer in the last in the last few— military performer in the last in the last few months. but hthgezhhh— in the last few months. but prigozhin has— in the last few months. but prigozhin has become noisier and hhehe— prigozhin has become noisier and eht— prigozhin has become noisier and noisier and angrier_ prigozhin has become noisier and noisier and angrier and angrier whth— noisier and angrier and angrier whth the— noisier and angrier and angrier with the underperformance of the eeteht— with the underperformance of the normal military— with the underperformance of the normal military authorities to the— normal military authorities to the heht— normal military authorities to the point where— normal military authorities to the point where he's become he's heeeme— the point where he's become he's heeeme veh— the point where he's become he's become very publicly critical of them — become very publicly critical of them te— become very publicly critical of them te eeme— become very publicly critical of them to some extent publicly eththeeh— them to some extent publicly eththeeh et— them to some extent publicly critical of putin— them to some extent publicly critical of putin himself . and critical of putin himself. and htethm— critical of putin himself. and putin-decided- critical of putin himself. and putin decided literally putin has decided literally today— putin has decided literally tetey thet— putin has decided literally today that he— putin has decided literally today that he needs to be eteeeet— today that he needs to be eteeeet eht— today that he needs to be stopped and shut up . prigozhin's stopped and shut up. prigozhin's teeeheee hee— stopped and shut up. prigozhin's response has been,— stopped and shut up. prigozhin's response has been, in effect, to teet— response has been, in effect, to teeth whet— response has been, in effect, to lead what putin— response has been, in effect, to lead what putin himself describes— lead what putin himself describes as— lead what putin himself describes as an act of treachery eht— describes as an act of treachery eht methy— describes as an act of treachery and mutiny and— describes as an act of treachery and mutiny and his forces are metehhhe— and mutiny and his forces are now marching on— and mutiny and his forces are now marching on moscow . and mutiny and his forces are now marching on moscow. now he's not now marching on moscow. now he's het eet— now marching on moscow. now he's het eet thet— now marching on moscow. now he's het get that mem— now marching on moscow. now he's not got that many forces. he's got— not got that many forces. he's get hehthe— not got that many forces. he's get eetheee ho— not got that many forces. he's got perhaps 10 or— not got that many forces. he's got perhaps 10 or 20,000 men, hut— got perhaps 10 or 20,000 men, hut they— got perhaps 10 or 20,000 men, hut they ee— got perhaps 10 or 20,000 men, but they are battle hardened. t hey— but they are battle hardened. they hete— but they are battle hardened. they have been— but they are battle hardened. they have been effective , as they have been effective, as the— they have been effective, as the eeht,— they have been effective, as i've said, against— they have been effective, as i've said, against in ukraine. theezhhh— i've said, against in ukraine. prigozhin himself has a lot of resonance , at— prigozhin himself has a lot of

resonance , at least in right resonance, at least in right wing— resonance, at least in right wing ehtehee— resonance, at least in right wing circles in— resonance, at least in right wing circles in russia. so there whth— wing circles in russia. so there whth he— wing circles in russia. so there whth he peepte— wing circles in russia. so there will be people who will be whehhhe— will be people who will be whehhhg hhm — will be people who will be wishing him well in this project . i wishing him well in this project . h hehth— wishing him well in this project . i frankly suspect— wishing him well in this project . i frankly suspect he's not going— . i frankly suspect he's not going te— . i frankly suspect he's not going te mete— . i frankly suspect he's not going to make it. and there are already— going to make it. and there are already stories— going to make it. and there are already stories of— going to make it. and there are already stories of him being etteetet. — already stories of him being attacked. .this - already stories of him being attacked.-this is- already stories of him being attacked. this is could be attacked. but this is could be the— attacked. but this is could be the beginning— attacked. but this is could be the beginning of— attacked. but this is could be the beginning of a civil war in hteeehe— the beginning of a civil war in teeth. the— the beginning of a civil war in russia. and indeed, if putin's teth— russia. and indeed, if putin's fall, because— russia. and indeed, if putin's fall, because ,_ russia. and indeed, if putin's fall, because , i— russia. and indeed, if putin's fall, because , i mean, i think fall, because, i mean, i think htethm— fall, because, i mean, i think heth hm— fall, because, i mean, i think heth hh my— fall, because, i mean, i think putin in my view,— fall, because, i mean, i think putin in my view, probably theueht— putin in my view, probably thought that— putin in my view, probably thought that it— putin in my view, probably thought that it should stay just on ukrainian— thought that it should stay just on ukrainian soil,— thought that it should stay just on ukrainian soil, which is why, you— on ukrainian soil, which is why, yeu thew,— on ukrainian soil, which is why, yet they, he— on ukrainian soil, which is why, you know, he was— on ukrainian soil, which is why, you know, he was very, you know, very— you know, he was very, you know, very eh— you know, he was very, you know, very eh ht— you know, he was very, you know, very eh ht vheh— you know, he was very, you know, very on it when nato were trying to very on it when nato were trying te heeethete— very on it when nato were trying to negotiate with— very on it when nato were trying to negotiate with him. jtzzt to negotiate with him. do you thmt— to negotiate with him. do you thmt thet— to negotiate with him. do you think that now— to negotiate with him. do you think that now perhaps percussion might actually be able to amass more support , able to amass more support, especially as the troops are probably getting a bit disenfranchised by this whole war? apparently some of them paying war? apparently some of them paying their own equipment paying for their own equipment and lot of are going and a lot of them are going hungry, lot of mothers losing hungry, a lot of mothers losing their not an their sons is there not an energy now that's heading towards fed up towards people getting fed up with war? well, no , that's with the war? well, no, that's het— with the war? well, no, that's met the — with the war? well, no, that's met the etee— with the war? well, no, that's not the case. the— rte”? well, no, that's not the case. the actually the meehth— not the case. the actually the russian people,— not the case. the actually the russian people, this is eemethhhe— russian people, this is something which we brits find very— something which we brits find very hert— something which we brits find very hert te— something which we brits find very hard to believe. but is the the— very hard to believe. but is the case the russian—

very hard to believe. but is the case the russian people are eehhthy— case the russian people are eehhthy-the— case the russian people are solidly-the war. - case the russian people are solidly the war. russia solidly behind the war. russia is solidly behind the war. russia he e— solidly behind the war. russia he e eeuhtry— solidly behind the war. russia is a country which when it feels hteeht— is a country which when it feels hteett te— is a country which when it feels hteett te he— is a country which when it feels itself to be under— is a country which when it feels itself to be under external pressure, gathers in solidarity eeme— pressure, gathers in solidarity eeme hte— pressure, gathers in solidarity around its president, around its etete— around its president, around its etete. amt— around its president, around its state. and that's— around its president, around its state. and that's exactly what we've seen in the— state. and that's exactly what we've seen in the context of the— we've seen in the context of thhe — we've seen in the context of this war. but— we've seen in the context of this war. but you— we've seen in the context of this war. but you are right that rrheezhhh— this war. but you are right that prigozhin does— this war. but you are right that prigozhin does have a lot of hetheheh— prigozhin does have a lot of national credibility . dodi and national credibility. dodi and i assume he's relying on that as his assume he's relying on that as hhe treepe— assume he's relying on that as his troops approach moscow to generate— his troops approach moscow to generate eh— his troops approach moscow to generate an irresistible eeththeeh— generate an irresistible political force, which will back up political force, which will back he he— political force, which will back up his demands— political force, which will back up his demands for the sacking of up his demands for the sacking et the— up his demands for the sacking of the current— up his demands for the sacking of the current leadership of the meehth— of the current leadership of the russian military— of the current leadership of the russian military and will put rrheezhhh— russian military and will put erhgezhhh hm— russian military and will put prigozhin in a— russian military and will put prigozhin in a much more eevertuh— prigozhin in a much more powerful position . my guess, as powerful position. my guess, as h-ve— powerful position. my guess, as he eeht— powerful position. my guess, as he eeht .— powerful position. my guess, as he eeht , he— powerful position. my guess, as i've said , is that— powerful position. my guess, as i've said , is that this will not i've said, is that this will not eueeeet— i've said, is that this will not succeed , but— i've said, is that this will not succeed , but we _ i've said, is that this will not succeed , but we will have to see succeed, but we will have to see the— succeed, but we will have to see the meet— succeed, but we will have to see over the next few— succeed, but we will have to see over the next few hours. we're at eh— over the next few hours. we're at an absolutely— over the next few hours. we're at an absolutely crucial moment heeeuee— at an absolutely crucial moment heeeuee ht— at an absolutely crucial moment because it does— at an absolutely crucial moment because it does feel this is the thet— because it does feel this is the thret thme— because it does feel this is the first time that— because it does feel this is the first time that vladimir putin hee— first time that vladimir putin hee eetuetty— first time that vladimir putin has actually been challenged or thet— has actually been challenged or that ehythhhe— has actually been challenged or that anything has— has actually been challenged or that anything has come out from meeht— that anything has come out from teeehe-vhhh— that anything has come out from russia will suggest that russia that will suggest that eeme-ere-heeeyl russia that will suggest that- some - are - happy with some people are not happy with the — some people are not happy with the hut— some people are not happy with the war. but then— some people are not happy with the war. “i.“ “i"ti some people are not happy with the war. c"tiil”tiil the war. but then there is that other worry prigozhin might other worry that prigozhin might actually be a lot worse than putin because pointed putin because as you pointed out, right. he's

out, he's quite far right. he's quite wing now. you're quite right wing now. you're absolutely right.— quite right wing now. you're absolutely right. i- ti g“ “ti you're absolutely right. i mean, i g“ “ti you're absolutely right. i mean, lots of absolutely right. i mean, lots et peepte— absolutely right. i mean, lots et peepte have— absolutely right. i mean, lots of people have talked cheerfully. _ of people have talked cheerfully. i- of people have talked cheerfully. i mean, i've been tehthhg— cheerfully. i mean, i've been tehthhe te— cheerfully. i mean, i've been talking to british western correspondents who've been meehthme— correspondents who've been predicting of predicting the disappearance of ruth— predicting the disappearance of heth-the— predicting the disappearance of putin-the last— predicting the disappearance of putin the last decade at putin for the last decade at tehet— putin for the last decade at least-they've- putin for the last decade at least.-they've so- putin for the last decade at least. they've so been least. and they've so far been vehe — least. and they've so far been vehg vhheh— least. and they've so far been wrong, which another reason wrong, which is another reason for wrong, which is another reason tet-thet— wrong, which is another reason for-that they're- wrong, which is another reason for that they're right. for doubting that they're right. the— for doubting that they're right. hhhe ttme.— for doubting that they're right. this time. but— for doubting that they're right. this time. but i've also been hehthe— this time. but i've also been pehhthhg eut— this time. but i've also been pointing out and— this time. but i've also been pointing out and other people have— pointing out and other people have teem— pointing out and other people have been pointing out that if ruth— have been pointing out that if ruthh 90e5v_ have been pointing out that if putin goes, you're not going to get e— putin goes, you're not going to get e methy— putin goes, you're not going to get a cuddly liberal as a successor. _ get a cuddly liberal as a successor. going to get a cuddly liberal as a- successor. _going to get successor. you're going to get pretty— successor. you're going to get pretty-eheme- - successor. you're going to get pretty clone. you're pretty much a clone. you're going— pretty much a clone. you're going te— pretty much a clone. you're going te eet— pretty much a clone. you're going te get e— pretty much a clone. you're going to get a tough possibly pretty much a clone. you're goingthe get a tough possibly pretty much a clone. you're goingthe securitngh possibly pretty much a clone. you're goingthe security services,bly from the security services, eeeehhhy— from the security services, possibly military, possibly from the military, eeeehhhy— possibly from the military,- possibly-nationalised possibly from the nationalised hhtuetrhee.— possibly from the nationalised industries-you're- possibly from the nationalised industries. you're going to industries. but you're going to get-nationalist- industries. but you're going to get-nationalist in- industries. but you're going to get nationalist in the get a tough nationalist in the ruth— get a tough nationalist in the ruthh meehth— get a tough nationalist in the putin mould. and if you get erhgezhhm— putin mould. and if you get prigozhin, you're actually getthhg— prigozhin, you're actually getthhg e— prigozhin, you're actually getting a guy— prigozhin, you're actually getting a guy who is much teueher— getting a guy who is much teugher eht— getting a guy who is much tougher and much more aggressive in tougher and much more aggressive hh hev— tougher and much more aggressive hh hev meeht— tougher and much more aggressive in how russia should be conducting— in how russia should be conducting its- in how russia should be conducting its war in ukraine, vhe— conducting its war in ukraine, vhe ve— conducting its war in ukraine, who was talked— conducting its war in ukraine, who was talked about actively eheet— who was talked about actively eheet the— who was talked about actively about the use— who was talked about actively about the use of— who was talked about actively about the use of nuclear weapons, for— about the use of nuclear weapons, for example, in a way thet— weapons, for example, in a way thet-hee— weapons, for example, in a way that-has been— weapons, for example, in a way that has been much that putin has been much more reetrehhet— that putin has been much more restrained-it'd- that putin has been much more restrained-it'd be- restrained about. so it'd be very— restrained about. so it'd be very eeteht— restrained about. so it'd be very careful what you wish for here. — very careful what you wish for here. heth.— very careful what you wish for here. well, what— very careful what you wish for here. i very careful what you wish for here. eti. here. well, what about the fact that the moscow mayor says that the situation difficult the situation is difficult and that counter—terrorism regime

that a counter—terrorism regime has declared in the russian has been declared in the russian capital? that sounds quite theory . it looks to me as if theory. it looks to me as if they-re— theory. it looks to me as if they-re emtht— theory. it looks to me as if they're putting up- ”g it looks to me as if they're putting up the barricades.— they're putting up the barricades. they're getting the air barricades. they're getting the the reree— barricades. they're getting the the reree hm— barricades. they're getting the air force in. there— barricades. they're getting the air force in. there are stories etreety— air force in. there are stories etreety-eh- already of attacks on precautions- already of attacks on precautions column. there's going— precautions column. there's going te— precautions column. there's going te he.— precautions column. there's going te he. ht— precautions column. there's going to be, it feels to me, eette— going to be, it feels to me, some quite significant fighting the— some quite significant fighting over the next— some quite significant fighting over the next few hours, which vhht— over the next few hours, which vhth eetthe— over the next few hours, which will settle the— over the next few hours, which will settle the fate of russia's gevemmeht— will settle the fate of russia's government for— will settle the fate of russia's government for the foreseeable tmme— government for the foreseeable tutme. — government for the foreseeable tutme . amt— government for the foreseeable future . and but— government for the foreseeable future . and but but- government for the foreseeable future . ' “ti jti“ future. and but but also denis manturov , who's the deputy prime manturov, who's the deputy prime minister, has apparently left moscow . he's also got out there moscow. he's also got out there . yeah well, i don't know about denis manturov , but i do say denis manturov, but i do say this. the russian political ehte— this. the russian political ethte et— this. the russian political elite at the _ the russian political elite at the moment, the russian political elite at the moment , the people elite at the moment, the people eeme— elite at the moment, the people eeme ruth— elite at the moment, the people around putin are— elite at the moment, the people around putin are almost certain to around putin are almost certain te teet— around putin are almost certain te eeet hhm— around putin are almost certain to back him very— around putin are almost certain to back him very firmly because if to back him very firmly because ht he— to back him very firmly because ht he teee— to back him very firmly because ht he eeee .— to back him very firmly because ht he geee . they— to back him very firmly because if he goes , they almost if he goes, they almost eertehmhy— if he goes, they almost eertehmty ge— if he goes, they almost certainly go very quickly thereafter. _ certainly go very quickly thereafter. so- certainly go very quickly thereafter. so the defence thhhheter.— thereafter. so the defence minister, the _ thereafter. so the defence minister, the head of the armed tereee— minister, the head of the armed tereee the— minister, the head of the armed forces, the heads— minister, the head of the armed forces, the heads of the eeeurhty— forces, the heads of the security services, all of them thew— security services, all of them knew very— security services, all of them know very well— security services, all of them know very well that they have to

give— know very well that they have to give teteh— know very well that they have to give total backing— know very well that they have to give total backing to putin. t hev— give total backing to putin. they have— give total backing to putin. they have te— give total backing to putin. they have to ensure that putin eurvhvee— they have to ensure that putin survives because _ they have to ensure that putin survives because their survival teeehte— survives because their survival teeehte ehem— survives because their survival teeehte upon hte— survives because their survival depends upon his . and that's one depends upon his. and that's one eette— depends upon his. and that's one eehte eheme— depends upon his. and that's one quite strong reason— depends upon his. and that's one quite strong reason for hethevhhe— quite strong reason for believing that he will actually win believing that he will actually vhh eut— believing that he will actually he eet hm— believing that he will actually win out in this— believing that he will actually win out in this trial of force, vhheh— win out in this trial of force, vhheh he— win out in this trial of force, which is now— win out in this trial of force, which is now now taking place. do which is now now taking place. he yet— which is now now taking place. he yeu eve— which is now now taking place. do you ever see— which is now now taking place. do you ever see a— which is now now taking place. do you ever see a situation where— do you ever see a situation where the— do you ever see a situation where the west— do you ever see a situation where the west might actually ethehtty— where the west might actually ethghtty het— where the west might actually ethghtty het eet— where the west might actually slightly not get putin in slightly not get behind putin in his slightly not get behind putin in hhe-hut— slightly not get behind putin in hhe-hut try— slightly not get behind putin in his-but try and— slightly not get behind putin in his but try and keep him his war, but try and keep him theree — his war, but try and keep him there? because— his war, but try and keep him there? i i there? because actually what could come be worse? could come would be worse? because know, no don't seem because you know, no don't seem to have apparently put in soft people like apparently people say gorbachev was say that mikhail gorbachev was like a mouthpiece, a puppet for the west so that we would get things things like that things done and things like that . ithink things done and things like that . i think we will be very eeteht— . i think we will be very careful to— . i think we will be very careful to not- i think we will be very careful to not to get too deeply hhvetvet— careful to not to get too deeply involved precisely— careful to not to get too deeply involved precisely because the uncertainties— involved precisely because the uncertainties in— involved precisely because the uncertainties in it. and if we eht— uncertainties in it. and if we end he— uncertainties in it. and if we end m h— uncertainties in it. and if we eht m h meem— uncertainties in it. and if we end up i mean, this is a really eheetthhe— end up i mean, this is a really appalling prospect, but it could hehteh— appalling prospect, but it could happen ht— appalling prospect, but it could happen ht ve— appalling prospect, but it could happen if we end— appalling prospect, but it could happen if we end up with a real ehvht— happen if we end up with a real ehvhh ver— happen if we end up with a real ehvht going— happen if we end up with a real civil war going on— happen if we end up with a real civil war going on in russia. the— civil war going on in russia. the herte— civil war going on in russia. the herte et— civil war going on in russia. the parts of the— civil war going on in russia. the parts of the country armed eht— the parts of the country armed mt hehthe— the parts of the country armed and fighting other parts. if yee— and fighting other parts. if yee-re-et— and fighting other parts. if yee-re-et e- and fighting other parts. if you're at a major you're looking at a major meemt— you're looking at a major nuclear power— you're looking at a major nuclear power falling apart with all nuclear power falling apart with eth eette— nuclear power falling apart with eth eerte et— nuclear power falling apart with all sorts of the— nuclear power falling apart with all sorts of the dangers of heeee— all sorts of the dangers of loose nukes,— all sorts of the dangers of loose nukes, whatever happens , loose nukes, whatever happens, the— loose nukes, whatever happens, the mate— loose nukes, whatever happens, the mate e— loose nukes, whatever happens, and that's a direct—

loose nukes, whatever happens, and that's a direct threat. heeehve— and that's a direct threat. massive massive threat to ehvhtheh — massive massive threat to civilian life _ massive massive threat to civilian life all— massive massive threat to civilian life all across the eemthmemt— civilian life all across the continent. we— civilian life all across the continent. we don't want that to hehteh. — continent. we don't want that to hehteh. tre— continent. we don't want that to hehteh. we went— continent. we don't want that to happen. we want russia , even happen. we want russia, even whth— happen. we want russia, even vhth htethm— happen. we want russia, even with putin, to— happen. we want russia, even with putin, to remain in a etette— with putin, to remain in a stable, relatively controlled eemtry— stable, relatively controlled eemtry .— stable, relatively controlled eemtry . em— stable, relatively controlled country . our interest is that country. our interest is that the— country. our interest is that the russians— country. our interest is that the russians themselves sort out this .— the russians themselves sort out thhe . thhe— the russians themselves sort out this , this, this— the russians themselves sort out this , this, this confrontation this, this, this confrontation of this, this, this confrontation et teree — this, this, this confrontation of force quickly,— this, this, this confrontation of force quickly, hopefully vhtheut— of force quickly, hopefully without too _ of force quickly, hopefully without too much bloodshed. and theh— without too much bloodshed. and then ve— without too much bloodshed. and them we teet— without too much bloodshed. and then we deal with— without too much bloodshed. and then we deal with whatever eeeee— then we deal with whatever emerges from _ then we deal with whatever emerges from it— then we deal with whatever emerges from it in ways which are emerges from it in ways which eeheheteht— emerges from it in ways which are consistent with what we've teem — are consistent with what we've teem vemthme— are consistent with what we've been wanting from them all alone— been wanting from them all alongv vhheh— been wanting from them all along, which is— been wanting from them all along, which is to see them teteetet— along, which is to see them defeated in— along, which is to see them defeated in ukraine, to see them teeee— defeated in ukraine, to see them teeee e— defeated in ukraine, to see them become a much— defeated in ukraine, to see them become a much less threatening tmeteem— become a much less threatening european country— become a much less threatening european country than they have teem— european country than they have teem the— european country than they have been over the last— european country than they have been over the last few years, teeeee— been over the last few years, because we don't— been over the last few years, because we don't want a etteetteh— because we don't want a situation like _ because we don't want a situation like the ghadafi etteetteh— situation like the ghadafi situation where you go over there.— situation where you go over there. yet— situation where you go over there, you cut— situation where you go over there, you cut off the head and them— there, you cut off the head and them etett— there, you cut off the head and them etett e— there, you cut off the head and then about a thousand different hette— then about a thousand different heete etteet— then about a thousand different heads appear then you're in heads appear and then you're in a heads appear and then you're in _whee— heads appear and then you're in _where yee- heads appear and then you're in a where you're dealing a situation where you're dealing vhth— a situation where you're dealing vhth terre— a situation where you're dealing with terror-like- a situation where you're dealing with terror like isis with terror groups like isis and all with terror groups like isis and ehh—thet- with terror groups like isis and all—that seemi all these offshoots that seem to have— all these offshoots that seem to have-them — all these offshoots that seem to have _from - anger- all these offshoots that seem to have _from - anger of. all these offshoots that seem to have from anger of the have come from the anger of the vhheh— have come from the anger of the vhheh he— have come from the anger of the war, which is potentially what we war, which is potentially what ve-vhmt— war, which is potentially what we -wind .with.- war, which is potentially what we -wind .with. - war, which is potentially what. we -wind .with. where we could wind up with. where do you we could wind up with. where do yee-thee— we could wind up with. where do yee-thhee-te— we could wind up with. where do you this? do you see you see this? what do you see playing out in your mind as to

what's now? where do what's happening now? where do you will go? well, you think it will go? well, firstly, let me i ii gtit7 well, firstly, let me congratulate yee.— firstly, let me congratulate yet. the— firstly, let me congratulate yet. the hhtye— firstly, let me congratulate you. the libya example is a very eeet— you. the libya example is a very good exempte— you. the libya example is a very good example what must not good example of what must not hettem- — good example of what must not hettem- _thtye- happen. we went into libya eemthtemt— happen. we went into libya confident that— happen. we went into libya confident that were helping confident that we were helping mete— confident that we were helping mete-theee— confident that we were helping make place better and left make the place better and left emerehy— make the place better and left anarchy behind— make the place better and left anarchy behind us and a very temeereue— anarchy behind us and a very dangerous, unpleasant situation trem— dangerous, unpleasant situation trem vhheh— dangerous, unpleasant situation from which the— dangerous, unpleasant situation from which the country still teem-t— from which the country still hasn't recovered _ from which the country still hasn't recovered we certainly from which the country still harnot recovered we certainly from which the country still harnot wantered we certainly from which the country still harnot want to d we certainly from which the country still harnot want to do we certainly from which the country still harnot want to do that ertainly from which the country still harnot want to do that in:ainly from which the country still harnot want to do that in russia do not want to do that in russia for do not want to do that in russia ter the— do not want to do that in russia for the reasons— do not want to do that in russia for the reasons which you've teeerhtet— for the reasons which you've described and— for the reasons which you've described and i've described. so we described and i've described. so ve—vve— described and i've described. so ve—vve eht- described and i've described. so we _we sit back. - we are careful. we sit back. there— we are careful. we sit back. there ere— we are careful. we sit back. there are people- we are careful. we sit back. there are people who will be tempted— there are people who will be tempted te— there are people who will be tempted to interfere. ukraine, meet— tempted to interfere. ukraine, most obviously— tempted to interfere. ukraine, most obviously ,_ tempted to interfere. ukraine, most obviously , and they will most obviously, and they will meet— most obviously, and they will meet te— most obviously, and they will meet te te— most obviously, and they will need to be contained. they've got— need to be contained. they've eet thehr— need to be contained. they've got their-concerns- need to be contained. they've got their concerns . they've got their own concerns. they've got their own concerns. they've eet thehr— got their own concerns. they've get thehr — got their own concerns. they've got their own war— got their own concerns. they've got their own war to win. we're teem— got their own war to win. we're teem-vh— got their own war to win. we're keen-win that- got their own war to win. we're keen-win that war,- got their own war to win. we're keen win that war, but keen that they win that war, but not keen that they win that war, but met-hey— keen that they win that war, but met-vey vhheh— keen that they win that war, but not way which leaves us not in a way which leaves us whth— not in a way which leaves us vhth e— not in a way which leaves us vhth e teetty— not in a way which leaves us with a deeply destructive, unpredictable— with a deeply destructive, unpredictable russia on our teeretet— unpredictable russia on our teeretet .— unpredictable russia on our teeretet . se— unpredictable russia on our doorstep . so this is going to doorstep. so this is going to eetehte— doorstep. so this is going to reeuhre e— doorstep. so this is going to require a certain— doorstep. so this is going to require a certain amount of eete-eet— require a certain amount of eete-eet me- require a certain amount of care. ask me what i predict care. you ask me what i predict is care. you ask me what i predict he eetme— care. you ask me what i predict is going-happene— care. you ask me what i predict is going happen, and i repeat is going to happen, and i repeat what— is going to happen, and i repeat what h-ve— is going to happen, and i repeat what i've already— is going to happen, and i repeat what i've already said. my guess is what i've already said. my guess he—vhth— what i've already said. my guess he—vhth e— what i've already said. my guess is with a reasonably is that putin, with a reasonably eette— is that putin, with a reasonably eetht ehte— is that putin, with a reasonably solid elite around— is that putin, with a reasonably solid elite around him , with solid elite around him, with a reeeemethy— solid elite around him, with a reasonably now— solid elite around him, with a reasonably now effective set of eemet— reasonably now effective set of ermet teeee— reasonably now effective set of armed forces and— reasonably now effective set of armed forces and security eeemehee— armed forces and security agencies, will— armed forces and security

agencies, will probably defeat rrhgezhhm— agencies, will probably defeat prigozhin will— agencies, will probably defeat prigozhin will re—establish his eutherhty— prigozhin will re—establish his eutherhty. tut— prigozhin will re—establish his authority. but obviously he emegee— authority. but obviously he emerges from _ authority. but obviously he emerges from this weakened ehmtty— emerges from this weakened ehmtty ty— emerges from this weakened simply by virtue— emerges from this weakened simply by virtue of the fact thet— simply by virtue of the fact that he-e— simply by virtue of the fact that he's let— simply by virtue of the fact that he's let things reach the etete— that he's let things reach the etete thet— that he's let things reach the state that they've now reached emt— state that they've now reached and thet— state that they've now reached and that further— state that they've now reached and that further down the track, hette— and that further down the track, holac hopefully _ and that further down the track, holac hopefully raises the teeehththty— holac hopefully raises the possibility of _ holac hopefully raises the possibility of some more manageable,— possibility of some more manageable, sensible opposition emerghmg— manageable, sensible opposition emerghmg emt— manageable, sensible opposition emerging and finally seeing him ett. — emerging and finally seeing him ett. shr— emerging and finally seeing him ett. shr tehy— emerging and finally seeing him off. sir tony brenton,- emerging and finally seeing him off. i “ emerging and finally seeing him off. i off. sir tony brenton, thank you very much for joining off. sir tony brenton, thank you very much forjoining me here. the former uk ambassador to russia. good to talk to you. thank you for your thoughts. well, let's see my panel well, let's see what my panel make that. i'm joined now by make of that. i'm joined now by gb senior political gb news senior political commentator also commentator nigel nelson. also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. i can't cundy. nigel? well, i can't really prigozhin taking over really see prigozhin taking over is that that's one of one of the things that sir tony mentioned could be an outcome. i mean, here's a guy, could be an outcome. i mean, heree e guylh— could be an outcome. i mean, here's a guy,.| said- e“ i mean, here's a guy, i said earlier here's a guy, as i said earlier , here's a guy, as i said earlier that— here's a guy, as i said earlier , that although— here's a guy, as i said earlier , that although putin has turned egehmet— , that although putin has turned against-because- , that although putin has turned against because he's against him now because he's merehhmg— against him now because he's marching—v- against him now because he's merehhmg—. ee- against him now because he's merehhmg—. ee he| against him now because he's. marching_, so he was against him now because he's- marching_, so he was a marching on moscow, so he was a ruth— marching on moscow, so he was a truth etteetteh— marching on moscow, so he was a putin supporter, the— marching on moscow, so he was a putin supporter, the row started vhth— putin supporter, the row started vhth e— putin supporter, the row started vhth e vhth— putin supporter, the row started with a with prigozhin and the gemerehe— with a with prigozhin and the generals because he didn't like the way— generals because he didn't like the way the— generals because he didn't like the way the generals were eemtuethmg— the way the generals were conducting the _ the way the generals were conducting the war. so prigozhin eette— conducting the war. so prigozhin eeuht herthy— conducting the war. so prigozhin could hardly take— conducting the war. so prigozhin

could hardly take over without the eetteht— could hardly take over without the eettert et— could hardly take over without the support of the military. and it the support of the military. and ht eete— the support of the military. and it sounds like— the support of the military. and it sounds like that can't teeehtty— it sounds like that can't possibly happen. whether or not ruth— possibly happen. whether or not putin survives. _ possibly happen. whether or not putin survives. and i think that it putin survives. and i think that ht teee— putin survives. and i think that it does relate— putin survives. and i think that it does relate to— putin survives. and i think that it does relate to whether or not the intelligence— it does relate to whether or not the intelligence services go ehemg— the intelligence services go etemg vhth— the intelligence services go along with it.— the intelligence services go along with it. it's quite curious that— along with it. it's quite curious that there is obviously no advance intelligence from fsb and met. — no advance intelligence from fsb and met. etu— no advance intelligence from fsb and gru. gru gru's_ no advance intelligence from fsb and gru. (1? cl. no advance intelligence from fsb and gru. ti.3... ti 3 and gru. gru gru's is russian military intelligence, fsb is kind of the domestic arm of the old kgb. the old kgb . and it was old kgb. the old kgb. and it was thehr— old kgb. the old kgb. and it was thehr-et— old kgb. the old kgb. and it was thehrhet te— old kgb. the old kgb. and it was theirjob to actually— titti i the old kgb. and it was their job to actually warn tit.ti . the old kgb. and it was their job to actually warn the tremthm— their job to actually warn the kremlin what— their job to actually warn the kremlin what was going on in theatre.— kremlin what was going on in thehme. amt— kremlin what was going on in ukraine. and it— kremlin what was going on in ukraine. and it seems odd that they— ukraine. and it seems odd that they ten-t— ukraine. and it seems odd that they don't seem— ukraine. and it seems odd that they don't seem to have issued a vemhmg— they don't seem to have issued a vermhmg etett— they don't seem to have issued a warning about this— they don't seem to have issued a warning about this .— they don't seem to have issued a warning about this . so if they warning about this. so if they tmmee— warning about this. so if they turned against— warning about this. so if they turned against putin, i would have— turned against putin, i would have theught— turned against putin, i would have thought he— turned against putin, i would have thought he was in real treutte. — have thought he was in real trouble. yeah,— have thought he was in real trouble. yeah, but- have thought he was in real trouble. t/tie“ have thought he was in real trouble. / trouble. yeah, but as we know, i mean, putin is really weakened by this, isn't he? he truly is . by this, isn't he? he truly is. and what will happen if he knows he's a goner? is he going to do like adolf hitler? is he going to kill himself? if adolf hitler then ended up killing his wife as well, didn't want to go and be and go through be imprisoned and go through all the know, what the trials or, you know, what happened with saddam hussein hid

in the in cellar. what would in the in the cellar. what would what would happen to putin? what would be of him? because now he's massive distraction with this. he should be concentrating on the ukraine war. zelenskyy must be looking at this thinking, well, you know, he's keeping quite quiet, which i think is the right move to do because it's going to get messy and what is going to be the outcome that's the worry and he has nuclear which i don't want to scare anyone but he might say, i'm doomed for say, well look, i'm doomed for now. i'll do it to everyone else . that's the some people . that's the worry. some people have got nothing to lose. then we'll take any kind— have got nothing to lose. then we'll take any kind of- titi]. “t: then we'll take any kind of action. i eem-t— we'll take any kind of action. i tem-t thhmt— we'll take any kind of action. i tem-t thhmt h— we'll take any kind of action. i don't think i don't— we'll take any kind of action. i don't think i don't think he's the— don't think i don't think he's the thet— don't think i don't think he's the kind-person- don't think i don't think he's the kind person to take his the kind of person to take his thre— the kind of person to take his own life literally— the kind of person to take his own life literally looking at thet.— own life literally looking at that, because _ own life literally looking at that, because he seems to be eeeet— that, because he seems to be scared-death— that, because he seems to be scared death itself. yeah, scared of death in itself. yeah, teeeee— scared of death in itself. yeah, because-covid - scared of death in itself. yeah, because covid thing. because of the covid thing. atteremtty— because of the covid thing. atteremtty he— because of the covid thing. apparently he made everyone wash thehr—have- their hands. wouldn't have emytety— their hands. wouldn't have- emytety—emt eth anybody in the same room and all the eett— anybody in the same room and all the eert et— anybody in the same room and all the sort of things— anybody in the same room and all the sort of things came out the sort of things that came out etery—hev— the sort of things that came out etery—hev he- the sort of things that came out story-how he was- the sort of things that came out story how he was very story was about how he was very trhghtemet— story was about how he was very trhghtemet et— story was about how he was very frightened of virus. ' “ti frightened of the virus. and hee— frightened of the virus. and tee-veh- frightened of the virus. and he's-vain man.- frightened of the virus. and he's vain man. putin he's extremely vain man. putin is but don't is extremely vain. but don't forget, huge forget, russia has huge territory, resources. territory, but huge resources. and not people in russia.

and not many people in russia. i mean, considering amount mean, considering the amount of territory there's a territory they've got, there's a lot of money there. you lot of money there. and, you know, got a lot of money know, putin's got a lot of money stashed away like in the canbbean stashed away like in the caribbean and he could caribbean and places he could disappear caribbean and places he could disap easily. he could fairly easily. he could etteetteh— fairly easily. he could theetteer . - fairly easily. he could disappear. he- fairly easily. he could disappear. he could probably go who would have who would have him? would who he him? somebody would know who he is. quite disappear. is. he couldn't quite disappear. and i think and the other point i think i thhmt— and the other point i think i thhmt here— and the other point i think i think here is— and the other point i think i think here is that although meyte— think here is that although meyte e— think here is that although maybe a hardliner would take ever—thew- maybe a hardliner would take over—know that| over now, we don't know that hehther— over now, we don't know thati hardliner—worse hardliner would be any worse them— hardliner would be any worse them-they— hardliner would be any worse than-they-havel than putin. they would have heemt— than putin. they would have learnt-lesson- than putin. they would have learnt lesson from the learnt their lesson from the thehme— learnt their lesson from the ukraine war,— learnt their lesson from the ukraine war, war. and bear in mhe.— ukraine war, war. and bear in mm ve— ukraine war, war. and bear in mm ve-teme- ukraine war, war. and bear in mind, we done business with mind, we have done business with ether— other russian leaders. gorbachev, _ other russian leaders. gorbachev, in the gorbachev, boris yeltsin in the teet- — gorbachev, boris yeltsin in the teet- _tut— gorbachev, boris yeltsin in the teet- _tut thhe- gorbachev, boris yeltsin in the past. _but this guy- past. yes but but this guy rrhgezhhm— past. yes but but this guy prigozhin sound past. yes but but this guy prigozhin-sound any prigozhin doesn't sound like any of prigozhin doesn't sound like any et-he— prigozhin doesn't sound like any et-he eemet— prigozhin doesn't sound like any of- he sounds like- prigozhin doesn't sound like any of- he sounds like natoi prigozhin doesn't sound like any. of- he sounds like nato if of those. he sounds like nato if he takes over, we're in real trouble. we trouble. trouble. we are in trouble. tetheve— trouble. we are in trouble. believe me. wasn't- trouble. we are in trouble. believe me. wasn't it- we are in trouble. wasn't it weird? you believe me. wasn't it weird? you mhght— believe me. wasn't it weird? you mhght emt— believe me. wasn't it weird? you mhght emt up— believe me. wasn't it weird? you mhght emt ht hm— believe me. wasn't it weird? you mhght emt ht hm e— wasn't it weird? you might end up in a situation where— might end up in a situation where yee-t— might end up in a situation where you'd rather have putin, vhheh— where you'd rather have putin, which-careful- where you'd rather have putin, which careful what which is just be careful what you— which is just be careful what yee-ter- — which is just be careful what you .for. exactly.- which is just be careful what you for. exactly. well you wish for. exactly. well hhetem— you wish for. exactly. well listen,.tuned. - you wish for. exactly. well listen, tuned. this is gb listen, stay tuned. this is gb neve— listen, stay tuned. this is gb heve-emthme- listen, stay tuned. this is gb news-online and- listen, stay tuned. this is gb news online and on digital news on tv online and on digital tethe— news on tv online and on digital radio-continue- news on tv online and on digital radio.-continue to- radio. we will continue to renew— radio. we will continue to follow - story. - radio. we will continue to follow story. russia is follow this story. russia is teehmg— follow this story. russia is facing-mutiny. follow this story. russia is. facing-mutiny after follow this story. russia is- facing-mutiny after the facing an armed mutiny after the teeter— facing an armed mutiny after the leader-russia's— leader of russia's wagner mercenary group, yevgeny rrhgezhhm.— prigozhin, seized military facilities— prigozhin, seized military facilities southern region facilities in a southern region of facilities in a southern region et—veyl facilities in a southern region. et—vey. mevt of russia. but on the way, next reyet— of russia. but on the way, next reyet-thme— of russia. but on the way, next

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different. what's the menu? different. what's on the menu? harry meghan planning to harry and meghan planning to give sussex title and give up the sussex title and replace the surname with spencer 7 replace the surname with spencer ? and then of course, the much anticipated underway anticipated royal ascot underway with william and kate with prince william and kate enjoying festivities. enjoying the festivities. so every we a every saturday we love a rundown. who to do that rundown. who better to do that than royal biographer angela levin? hello. hello. levin? angela hello. hello. right now, you may not know this, but my first book on the royals was on diana's father , royals was on diana's father, author earl spencer . and i can author earl spencer. and i can tell you for certain _ author earl spencer. and i can tell you for certain that- e”. i and i can tell you for certain that it was hte— tell you for certain that it was he e— tell you for certain that it was it's a ridiculous— tell you for certain that it was it's a ridiculous choice , it's a ridiculous choice, eeteehhy— it's a ridiculous choice, actually, if— it's a ridiculous choice, actually, if she wants to be, teeeee— actually, if she wants to be, teeeee hte— actually, if she wants to be, because it's mainly meghan, hem-t— because it's mainly meghan, hem-t hte — because it's mainly meghan, hem-t hte ht— because it's mainly meghan, isn't it? if she— because it's mainly meghan, isn't it? �*" isn't it? if she wants to be, to take on the name of diana, she needs to take on diana's maiden name, which is roche, which is her mother. her mother tried her teet— her mother. her mother tried her teet te— her mother. her mother tried her teet te teet— her mother. her mother tried her best to look after— her mother. her mother tried her best to look after her,— her mother tried her best to look after her, but earl stemeer— best to look after her, but earl stemeer hht— best to look after her, but earl spencer hit her.— best to look after her, but earl spencer hit her. i— best to look after her, but earl spencer hit her. i mean , he's spencer hit her. i mean, he's tmevm— spencer hit her. i mean, he's tmevm ter— spencer hit her. i mean, he's known for being— spencer hit her. i mean, he's known for being very aggressive . hte— known for being very aggressive . hhe tether— known for being very aggressive . his father and— known for being very aggressive . his father and his grandfather ehee— . his father and his grandfather etee hht— . his father and his grandfather also hit their— . his father and his grandfather also hit their women. so why she eheutt— also hit their women. so why she eheuht vent— also hit their women. so why she should want to _ also hit their women. so why she should want to have a name of stemeer— should want to have a name of stemeer he—

should want to have a name of spencer is actually— should want to have a name of spencer is actually not thought threugh— spencer is actually not thought threugh thre— spencer is actually not thought threugh the e— spencer is actually not thought through like a lot— spencer is actually not thought through like a lot of things. so did through like a lot of things. so the yee— through like a lot of things. so the yee vette— through like a lot of things. so did you write that? yeah yeah, yeah.— did you write that? yeah yeah, yeah. yeah.— did you write that? yeah yeah, yeah. yeah. vee— did you write that? yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. yes and in great tetehh. — yeah, yeah. yes and in great tetehh. vee— yeah, yeah. yes and in great detail. yes and _ yeah, yeah. yes and in great detail. yes and also no. i mean, hee— detail. yes and also no. i mean, he ehe— detail. yes and also no. i mean, he ehe tehet— detail. yes and also no. i mean, has she asked him— detail. yes and also no. i mean, has she asked him the current tert— has she asked him the current tert stemeer— has she asked him the current earl spencer might not want eemetety— earl spencer might not want somebody else— earl spencer might not want somebody else to be a spencer emt— somebody else to be a spencer and eeteehhy— somebody else to be a spencer and actually would it be with or vhtheut— and actually would it be with or without titles— and actually would it be with or without titles .— and actually would it be with or without titles . you _ and actually would it be with or without titles . you know this is without titles. you know this is eemethhmg— without titles. you know this is something that— without titles. you know this is something that you have to theme— something that you have to discuss with— something that you have to discuss with him in great detail . amt— discuss with him in great detail . amt h— discuss with him in great detail . amt h tem-t— discuss with him in great detail . and i don't actually think he vette— . and i don't actually think he veutt vent— . and i don't actually think he would want that— . and i don't actually think he would want that because if she hee— would want that because if she hee ht— would want that because if she hee ht emt— would want that because if she has it and harry— would want that because if she has it and harry doesn't, then thet-e— has it and harry doesn't, then thet-e met— has it and harry doesn't, then that's not really— has it and harry doesn't, then that's not really going to work out that's not really going to work eet ether.— that's not really going to work out either, is— that's not really going to work out either, is it? _ that's not really going to work out either, is it? i— that's not really going to work out either, is it? i out either, is it? i wonder what diana would think as well . diana would think as well. well, i can tell you because, i mean, she was— well, i can tell you because, i mean, she was somebody who loved the myth— mean, she was somebody who loved the tteyet temhty— mean, she was somebody who loved the royal family, who supported the royal family, who supported the myth— the royal family, who supported the royal family,— the royal family, who supported the royal family, who supported the royal family, who tried to eetettheh — the royal family, who tried to establish with _ the royal family, who tried to establish with her two children thet— establish with her two children that they— establish with her two children that they het— establish with her two children that they had to— establish with her two children that they had to be supportive of that they had to be supportive et the— that they had to be supportive et the myth— that they had to be supportive of the royal family because it was a wonderful— of the royal family because it was a wonderful opportunity . and was a wonderful opportunity. and so was a wonderful opportunity. and ee ehe— was a wonderful opportunity. and so she wouldn't— was a wonderful opportunity. and so she wouldn't like this at eth— so she wouldn't like this at at. the— so she wouldn't like this at all. and she— so she wouldn't like this at all. and she certainly wouldn't hte— all. and she certainly wouldn't he ht— all. and she certainly wouldn't he ht te— all. and she certainly wouldn't he ht te te— all. and she certainly wouldn't like it to be spencer. in fact, i like it to be spencer. in fact, h ety— like it to be spencer. in fact, h eey hm— like it to be spencer. in fact, h eey hm my— like it to be spencer. in fact, i say in my book,— like it to be spencer. in fact,

i say in my book, which came out:— i say in my book, which came eet. yee— i say in my book, which came eet. yet they.— i say in my book, which came out, you know, 15— i say in my book, which came out, you know, 15 years ago, thet— out, you know, 15 years ago, that her— out, you know, 15 years ago, that her father— out, you know, 15 years ago, that her father was one of the thet— that her father was one of the reasons that she— that her father was one of the reasons that she was very treuttet— reasons that she was very troubled because she had no mether— troubled because she had no mether. she— troubled because she had no mother. she thought it was her mutt.— mother. she thought it was her teeth het— mother. she thought it was her teeth me get— mother. she thought it was her fault. he'd get in— mother. she thought it was her fault. he'd get in any old au tetr— fault. he'd get in any old au tehr ghet— fault. he'd get in any old au tehr ghrt emt— fault. he'd get in any old au pair girl and some of them with her the— pair girl and some of them with her two sisters— pair girl and some of them with her two sisters would pull their heht— her two sisters would pull their hate the— her two sisters would pull their the amt te— her two sisters would pull their hair and do all— her two sisters would pull their hair and do all sorts of things. so hair and do all sorts of things. se ehe— hair and do all sorts of things. se ehe het— hair and do all sorts of things. se ehe het e— hair and do all sorts of things. so she had a very— hair and do all sorts of things. so she had a very unhappy ehhhtheeeh— so she had a very unhappy childhood. so— so she had a very unhappy childhood. so it's one of those ethy— childhood. so it's one of those ehtty thhmge— childhood. so it's one of those silly things that— childhood. so it's one of those silly things that you just want to silly things that you just want te te— silly things that you just want to be spiteful— silly things that you just want to be spiteful about . to be spiteful about. i think meyte— to be spiteful about. i think meyte they— to be spiteful about. i think maybe they haven't thought it through. now, what's going on? theught— through. now, what's going on? theught ht— through. now, what's going on? thought it through.— 3 now, what's going on? thought it through. what's going on thought it through. what's going em the— thought it through. what's going on now? the next— thought it through. what's going on now? “tix. eta]: �*tftt“e. thought it through. what's going on now? “tix. 5.ti.tg ”ti on now? the next story. what are we talking about next, angela? well, i think it's nice that prince george might go to eton. he was seen at eton the other day— he was seen at eton the other day .— he was seen at eton the other day . hee— he was seen at eton the other they. he-e he-e— he was seen at eton the other day. he's he's-old- he was seen at eton the other day. he's he's old enough day. he's he's not old enough .heve— day. he's he's not old enough .heve te — day. he's he's not old enough now. .have to-it- day. he's he's not old enough now. have to it early. now. you have to book it early. the— now. you have to book it early. amt he— now. you have to book it early. amt he have— now. you have to book it early. and he have to— now. you have to book it early. and he have to be— now. you have to book it early. and he have to be 13. i was very hmtereetet— and he have to be 13. i was very interested because— and he have to be 13. i was very interested because prince vvhthhem— interested because prince william enjoyed going to eton and william enjoyed going to eton end he— william enjoyed going to eton end he eeet— william enjoyed going to eton and he used to— william enjoyed going to eton and he used to go a lot at the weekend— and he used to go a lot at the weekend when— and he used to go a lot at the weekend when he— and he used to go a lot at the weekend when he was free to go emt— weekend when he was free to go and eee— weekend when he was free to go and hte— weekend when he was free to go and see his grandmother, queen thhzeteth— and see his grandmother, queen elizabeth. and— and see his grandmother, queen elizabeth. and i— and see his grandmother, queen elizabeth. and i wonder whether they— elizabeth. and i wonder whether they vent— elizabeth. and i wonder whether they vemt thmg— elizabeth. and i wonder whether they want king charles to see

hhm— they want king charles to see hhm et— they want king charles to see hhm at the— they want king charles to see him at the weekend because they-re— him at the weekend because they-re thvhmg— him at the weekend because they're living they'll be living hearty— they're living they'll be living meerty there— they're living they'll be living meerty there .— they're living they'll be living nearly there . i— they're living they'll be living nearly there . i just thought it nearly there. i just thought it was interesting— nearly there. i just thought it was interesting .— nearly there. i just thought it was interesting . harry hated it. was interesting. harry hated it. of was interesting. harry hated it. or eemee— was interesting. harry hated it. or he— was interesting. harry hated it. of course, he was— was interesting. harry hated it. of course, he was always bottom of of course, he was always bottom et the— of course, he was always bottom et the ehe-ee— of course, he was always bottom et the ehe-ee — of course, he was always bottom of the class. of— of course, he was always bottom of the class. tij�*" ti.tit.. of the class. of course he was the chris skudder. this spare thing most thing wasn't the most intelligent angela levin, thing wasn't the most intelli you angela levin, thing wasn't the most intelli you so angela levin, thing wasn't the most intelli you so ari ela levin, thing wasn't the most intelli you so ari knowevin, thing wasn't the most intelli you so ari know we're thank you so much. i know we're running of time. it's always running out of time. it's always a as thank you. a pleasure, as ever. thank you. of course, angela levin, royal biographer. is gb biographer. this is gb news. that roundup. that was the royal roundup. there's loads more to come in the next hour . the next hour. it's 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv , nana akua. we're live on tv, onune nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right in a moment, right now. in just a moment, i'll talking to former i'll be talking to former eastenders actress danniella westbrook media personality westbrook and media personality olly london. in conversations and this time we're discussing a school engulfed in agenda cat row. then on the way the great british debate this hour i'm

asking is it time for the state to step in to help out with the mortgage crisis? but first, let's get your latest news headunes. let's get your latest news headlines. thank let's get your latest news headlines . thank you very much, headlines. thank you very much, heme. — headlines. thank you very much, heme. tm— headlines. thank you very much, heme. h-m ttery— headlines. thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith— i thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the newsroom. russian paramilitary greet— newsroom. russian paramilitary greet vvegmer— newsroom. russian paramilitary greut vvegmer he— newsroom. russian paramilitary group wagner is continuing advances towards moscow. the greet-e— advances towards moscow. the greut-e teeter— advances towards moscow. the greet-e teeter .— advances towards moscow. the group's leader , yevgeny group's leader, yevgeny rrhgezhhm.— group's leader, yevgeny prigozhin, accuses russia's mhthtery— prigozhin, accuses russia's military chiefs— prigozhin, accuses russia's military chiefs of lying to htethty— military chiefs of lying to htethty the — military chiefs of lying to justify the war— military chiefs of lying to justify the war in ukraine. he etehme— justify the war in ukraine. he claims russian— justify the war in ukraine. he claims russian helicopters have treaty— claims russian helicopters have etreety epemet— claims russian helicopters have already opened fire on them as they— already opened fire on them as they meeh— already opened fire on them as they march towards the capital. moscow's mayor— they march towards the capital. moscow's mayor says a counter—terrorism regime has teem— counter—terrorism regime has teem teeteret— counter—terrorism regime has been declared in— counter—terrorism regime has been declared in the city, etmhtthmg— been declared in the city, admitting the _ been declared in the city, admitting the situation in there is admitting the situation in there he thtthetht— admitting the situation in there is difficult. russia sends a vermhmg— is difficult. russia sends a vermhmg te— is difficult. russia sends a warning to the— is difficult. russia sends a warning to the west against tehmg— warning to the west against tehmg the— warning to the west against using the rebellion to achieve what— using the rebellion to achieve what ht— using the rebellion to achieve what it calls— using the rebellion to achieve what it calls russophobic goals. but what it calls russophobic goals. tut the— what it calls russophobic goals. tut the th— what it calls russophobic goals. but the uk government has hailed an but the uk government has hailed em emergemey— but the uk government has hailed an emergency cobra meeting this ettemeem— an emergency cobra meeting this ettemeem emt— an emergency cobra meeting this afternoon and the— an emergency cobra meeting this afternoon and the prime minister hteth— afternoon and the prime minister thehh emth— afternoon and the prime minister rishi sunak, is— afternoon and the prime minister rishi sunak, is in— afternoon and the prime minister rishi sunak, is in touch with thee— rishi sunak, is in touch with allies. well,—

rishi sunak, is in touch with allies. well, president putin accuses prorogation of treason mt— accuses prorogation of treason emt eemet— accuses prorogation of treason and armed mutiny . “t and armed mutiny. any internal turmoil is a mortal threat to our statehood. to us as a nation, this is a blow to russia, to our people, our actions to protect the homeland from such a threat will be harsh. all those who deliberately took the path of betrayal, who prepared an armed mutiny, who took of mutiny, who took the path of blackmail and terrorist methods, will inevitable will suffer an inevitable punishment, will answer both to the law and to our people . well the law and to our people. well former uk ambassador to russia, sir tony brenton told gb news what could be a possible outcome . he's not got that many forces . hee— . he's not got that many forces . me get— . he's not got that many forces . me get tehete— he's not got that many forces . he's got perhaps 10 or 20,000 ment— . he's got perhaps 10 or 20,000 tut— . he's got perhaps 10 or 20,000 tut they— . he's got perhaps 10 or 20,000 men, but they are— . he's got perhaps 10 or 20,000 men, but they are battle hertemet— men, but they are battle hardened. they have been etteethve— hardened. they have been etteethve .— hardened. they have been effective , as— hardened. they have been effective , as i've said, against effective, as i've said, against in effective, as i've said, against hm threhme— effective, as i've said, against in ukraine. prigozhin himself hte— in ukraine. prigozhin himself he e— in ukraine. prigozhin himself he e het— in ukraine. prigozhin himself he e tet et— in ukraine. prigozhin himself has a lot of resonance , at least has a lot of resonance, at least in has a lot of resonance, at least hm rhght— has a lot of resonance, at least hm rhght vhmg— has a lot of resonance, at least in right wing circles in russia. so in right wing circles in russia. se there— in right wing circles in russia. so there will— in right wing circles in russia. so there will be— in right wing circles in russia. so there will be people who will be so there will be people who will te vhehhmg— so there will be people who will te vhehhmg hhm— so there will be people who will be wishing him well in this

trey-eet— be wishing him well in this trey-eet .— be wishing him well in this trey-eet . h— be wishing him well in this project . i frankly suspect he's project. i frankly suspect he's met— project. i frankly suspect he's met gehmg— project. i frankly suspect he's met gehmg te— project. i frankly suspect he's not going to make it. and there are not going to make it. and there treaty— not going to make it. and there are already stories— not going to make it. and there are already stories of him being etteetet. — are already stories of him being etteetet. tut— are already stories of him being attacked. but this— are already stories of him being attacked. but this is could be the— attacked. but this is could be the teghmmhmg— attacked. but this is could be the beginning of— attacked. but this is could be the beginning of a civil war in meeht— the beginning of a civil war in teteeht. amt— the beginning of a civil war in russia. and indeed, if putin's tatt— russia. and indeed, if putin's tett hm— russia. and indeed, if putin's fall in other— russia. and indeed, if putin's fall in other news this afternoon,— fall in other news this afternoon, a - fall in other news this afternoon, a team of sevilla investigators— afternoon, a team of sevilla investigators are _ afternoon, a team of sevilla investigators are on board the mhm— investigators are on board the eetteht— investigators are on board the main support ship of the titan submersible— main support ship of the titan submersible after it returned to the hettem— submersible after it returned to the harbour following the deep sea vessel's fatal— the harbour following the deep sea vessel's fatal implosion . sea vessel's fatal implosion. ttege— sea vessel's fatal implosion. ttege eh— sea vessel's fatal implosion. flags on board— sea vessel's fatal implosion. flags on board the- sea vessel's fatal implosion. flags on board the polar- sea vessel's fatal implosion. flags on board the polar prince were at half mast and had arrived at the port in saint johns harbour this morning. five people on board the titan were killed in the incident near the wreckage of the titanic . aslef. wreckage of the titanic. aslef. the investigation into the implosion has been launched . the implosion has been launched. the first minister of scotland says the next westminster election should be used as a manifesto for an independent scotland . for an independent scotland. speaking at an snp in dependence convention in dundee , humza convention in dundee, humza yousaf said that the route to scottish independence is through

the lawful and democratic process. he added that if the snp wins that election it will seek negotiation with the uk government to give democratic effect to scotland becoming independent. margaret mcdonough, labour's first female general secretary, has died aged 61. the politics icon sat in the house of lords as baroness mcdonough and has been described as an unstoppable force of nature and a champion for women . a major a champion for women. a major water company is blaming more people working from home after the covid pandemic for a new hosepipe ban south—east water, which supplies more than 2 million homes and businesses, will impose the first hosepipe ban of the summer from monday. that will affect households across kent and sussex , with the across kent and sussex, with the company's chief executive also blamed low rainfall, as well as a recent spell of hot weather leading to a spike in demand for

drinking water. the prime minister has paid tribute to the phenomenal precision and professional ism of british troops as events are held across the uk to mark armed forces day. the king also paid tribute, thanking military personnel for the immense and dedicated contribution of the british military , both at home and military, both at home and overseas . he drew on his own overseas. he drew on his own time in the military, saying he recognised the deep pride service personnel take in their duty . people in manchester have duty. people in manchester have been gathering for the event . been gathering for the event. one of these things that should be one of these things that should te reeegmheet— one of these things that should be recognised. the— one of these things that should be recognised. the army should be recognised. the army should te reeegmheet— be recognised. the army should be recognised, the— be recognised. the army should be recognised, the veterans ehetht — be recognised, the veterans should recognised. there's, should be recognised. there's, vou— should be recognised. there's, you-vou— should be recognised. there's, you-you 90— should be recognised. there's, yet-yet ge te- should be recognised. there's, you you go to america in you know, you go to america in the— you know, you go to america in the eeert — you know, you go to america in the eeert h— you know, you go to america in the record. i hear— you know, you go to america in the record. i hear the sort of hte— the record. i hear the sort of thte-tmter- the record. i hear the sort of. like-under-carpet like brushed under the carpet emt— like brushed under the carpet amt-vhemg. - like brushed under the carpet and-wrong. it's- like brushed under the carpet and wrong. . like brushed under the carpet. and _wrong. it's show my and it's all wrong. it's show my support the veterans and the support for the veterans and the injured veterans and the cadets who hopefully and they're our future all being well i'll show you respects like that you know

there's a lot of colleagues in that who aren't here today who would like to be here. but for the guys who are— i . but for the guys who are serving now and the guys who are serving now and the the— the guys who are serving now and the ghte yet— the guys who are serving now and the girls you know.— the guys who are serving now and the girls you know. so, yeah, we etth— the girls you know. so, yeah, we ethth meet— the girls you know. so, yeah, we still need our— the girls you know. so, yeah, we still need our armed forces and htet— still need our armed forces and thet te— still need our armed forces and thet te te— still need our armed forces and thet te te tert— still need our armed forces and just to be part of— still need our armed forces and just to be part of you just to be part of that, you met.— just to be part of that, you they. hte— just to be part of that, you they. ht-e-e- just to be part of that, you know, it's-a very- just to be part of that, you know, it's a very proud know, it's a it's a very proud of know, it's a it's a very proud et thhe— know, it's a it's a very proud et thhe he— know, it's a it's a very proud et thhe he et— know, it's a it's a very proud of this is gb news. �*tfttti .. “g of this is gb news. we'll bring you more as that happens. now though, it's to nana . though, it's back to nana. thank you, rory . it's six thank you, rory. it's six minutes after— thank you, rory. it's six minutes after 5:00.- 3tit”t it's six minutes after 5:00. this is 35t3 it's six minutes after 5:00. this is a thank you, rory. it's six- minutes after 5:00. this is a gb teve— minutes after 5:00. this is a gb teve em— minutes after 5:00. this is a gb teve em tt— minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news on tv, online— minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news on tv, online and on thghtet— news on tv, online and on digital radio. _ news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua for the meet— digital radio. i'm nana akua for the next hem— digital radio. i'm nana akua for the next hour ,_ digital radio. i'm nana akua for the next hour , me— digital radio. i'm nana akua for the next hour , me and my panel the next hour, me and my panel vhhh— the next hour, me and my panel vhth te— the next hour, me and my panel vhth te ttthmg— the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on— the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big will be taking on some of the thg tethee— will be taking on some of the big topics hitting— will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines rhght— big topics hitting the headlines rhght hev— big topics hitting the headlines right now. this— big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all etett— right now. this show is all about opinion— right now. this show is all about opinion .— right now. this show is all about opinion . it's mine, it's about opinion. it's mine, it's there.— about opinion. it's mine, it's thehre—ht-el theirs. and of course, it's ye — theirs. and of course, it's ye tre-re— theirs. and of course, it's yours. we're debating, discussing— yours. we're debating, discussing and at times we will theegree— discussing and at times we will theegreelme— discussing and at times we will disagree.-no one- discussing and at times we will disagree. no one will be disagree. but no one will be eemeettet— disagree. but no one will be. cancelled._is cancelled. joining me today is treeteeet— cancelled. joining me today is broadcast from _ cancelled. joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie eeht.— broadcast from columnist lizzie etmty-et— broadcast from columnist lizzie etmty-tt teve- broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy, gb news senior cundy, also gb news senior hettteth— cundy, also gb news senior political commentator nigel teheem— political commentator nigel teheem .— political commentator nigel teheem . hev— political commentator nigel nelson . now still to come, nelson. now still to come, tetty-e— nelson. now still to come, today's breaking news, russia is teehmg— today's breaking news, russia is teehmg em— today's breaking news, russia is

facing an armed— today's breaking news, russia is facing an armed mutiny after the teeter— facing an armed mutiny after the teeter et— facing an armed mutiny after the teeter et the— facing an armed mutiny after the leader of the russians , wagner leader of the russians, wagner eeery greet— leader of the russians, wagner mercenary group examined rrhgezhhm— mercenary group examined prigozhin claims that he has eehzet— prigozhin claims that he has seized military— prigozhin claims that he has seized military facilities in a eeethem— seized military facilities in a southern region— seized military facilities in a southern region of russia . i'll southern region of russia. i'll be southern region of russia. i'll te tehet— southern region of russia. i'll te tehmet ty— southern region of russia. i'll te tehmet ty e— southern region of russia. i'll be joined by a russian journalist— be joined by a russian journalist on- be joined by a russian journalist on red square and them— journalist on red square and them hte— journalist on red square and then it's time— journalist on red square and then it's time for— journalist on red square and then it's time for my conversation- then it's time for my conversation . parents are up in conversation. parents are up in etter— conversation. parents are up in arms after teachers branded a mme— arms after teachers branded a yeer— arms after teachers branded a yeer ett— arms after teachers branded a nine year old, an— arms after teachers branded a nine year old, an eight year old.— nine year old, an eight year ett. e— nine year old, an eight year ett. e yeer— nine year old, an eight year old, a year eight— nine year old, an eight year old, a year eight pupil sorry, teetheette— old, a year eight pupil sorry, despicable after— old, a year eight pupil sorry, despicable after she rejected a eteeemeeet— despicable after she rejected a classmate's claim _ despicable after she rejected a classmate's claim that she htemththet— classmate's claim that she identified as— classmate's claim that she identified as a— classmate's claim that she identified as a cat . classmate's claim that she identified as a cat. i'll be tehet— identified as a cat. i'll be tehmet ty— identified as a cat. i'll be joined by former eastenders eeteee— joined by former eastenders actress danniella westbrook and methe— actress danniella westbrook and media personality— actress danniella westbrook and media personality olly london to tetve— media personality olly london to tetve-thhe— media personality olly london to delve-this story— media personality olly london to delve-this story .— media personality olly london to delve this story . and then delve into this story. and then for delve into this story. and then her the— delve into this story. and then for the great— delve into this story. and then for the great british debate thhe— for the great british debate the—he- for the great british debate thhe—he ht| this hour, i'm asking, is it thme— this hour, i'm asking, is it ttme-the— this hour, i'm asking, is it time-the state- this hour, i'm asking, is it time the state to step in? time for the state to step in? htereet— time for the state to step in? interest rates— time for the state to step in? interest rates hit— time for the state to step in? interest rates hit 5% this week emt— interest rates hit 5% this week emt ee— interest rates hit 5% this week and are now at— interest rates hit 5% this week and are now at the highest level ehee— and are now at the highest level ehmee-emt— and are now at the highest level since-and that— and are now at the highest level since-and that-of- since 2008, and that is of peepte-e— since 2008, and that is of people's mortgages to go people's mortgages are set to go threegh— people's mortgages are set to go meeem-reet— people's mortgages are set to go through-roof. so— people's mortgages are set to go through-roof. solit- people's mortgages are set to go through roof. so it time through the roof. so is it time for through the roof. so is it time her the— through the roof. so is it time for the government to step in emt— for the government to step in emt eett— for the government to step in emt eert thhe— for the government to step in and sort this mess out? email me-tt— and sort this mess out? email me-tt et- and sort this mess out? email me,-at gb news. and sort this mess out? email. me,-at gb news .com and sort this mess out? email- me,-at gb news .com or me, gb views. at gb news .com or meet— me, gb views. at gb news .com or tweet-et— me, gb views. at gb news .com or tveet-et .— me, gb views. at gb news .com or tveet-et . et— me, gb views. at gb news .com or tweet-at . gb news.— me, gb views. at gb news .com or tweet at . gb news. but let's tweet me at. gb news. but let's etett— tweet me at. gb news. but let's etert vhth— tweet me at. gb news. but let's etert vhth the — tweet me at. gb news. but let's start with the latest from

teteehe. — start with the latest from russia. roadblocks being formed eetehte— russia. roadblocks being formed eetehte the— russia. roadblocks being formed outside the capital with the veteemhe— outside the capital with the volcanic mercenary group said to be volcanic mercenary group said to te ettreeehhmg— volcanic mercenary group said to be approaching moscow having tetem— be approaching moscow having taken various— be approaching moscow having taken various sites into russian ehthee— taken various sites into russian ehthee ehee— taken various sites into russian cities since last— taken various sites into russian cities since last night. now, meemvhhte— cities since last night. now, meemvhhte .— cities since last night. now, meanwhile , the— cities since last night. now, meanwhile , the mayor of moscow meanwhile, the mayor of moscow has meanwhile, the mayor of moscow hee eeht— meanwhile, the mayor of moscow hee eeht thet— meanwhile, the mayor of moscow has said that the— meanwhile, the mayor of moscow has said that the situation is thttheett— has said that the situation is difficult and— has said that the situation is difficult and that a counter—terrorism regime has teem— counter—terrorism regime has teem teeteret— counter—terrorism regime has been declared. so so well, why tem-t— been declared. so so well, why tem-t ve— been declared. so so well, why tem-t ve teet— been declared. so so well, why don't we just head— been declared. so so well, why don't we just head to russia? tet-e— don't we just head to russia? tet-e heve— don't we just head to russia? tet-e heve e— don't we just head to russia? let's have a quick chat with a meter— let's have a quick chat with a russian journalist, alexi, there.— russian journalist, alexi, there. alexi, _ russian journalist, alexi, there. alexi, thank you very meeh— there. alexi, thank you very meeh ter— there. alexi, thank you very much for joining there. alexi, thank you very much forjoining me. he's there much for joining me. he's there in much for joining me. he's there hm teet— much for joining me. he's there hm ttet ethere— much for joining me. he's there in red square now. alexi, what tremttet— in red square now. alexi, what tremttet thr— in red square now. alexi, what prompted mr prigozhin to attempt whet— prompted mr prigozhin to attempt vhet eeme— prompted mr prigozhin to attempt what some would— prompted mr prigozhin to attempt what some would say is an armed eeet— what some would say is an armed eeet t-etet— what some would say is an armed eeet t-etete — what some would say is an armed coup d'etat ? good— what some would say is an armed coup d'etat ? .i “ coup d'etat? good afternoon, nanaitis coup d'etat? good afternoon, nana it is indeed an armed coup d'etat and it came as a surprise, although it shouldn't have been, because for a while now we have been seeing at direct confrontation between the russian ministry of defence and wagner group, which is private militia. just yesterday, militia. so just yesterday, yesterday night, mr prigozhin has accused the russian ministry of defence of a missile attack and the only proof he has

suppued and the only proof he has supplied so far is a video with some what, some what some have called a fake already . and called a fake already. and initially the goal of the wagner offence was to hold a russian defence ministry officials, as sergey shoygu , the minister of sergey shoygu, the minister of defence, and his vice minister, mr gerasimov, accountable for what prigozhin has called a bad management of the special military operation . after his military operation. after his demands were obviously declared , were obviously denied by the kremlin, has been accused of an armed coup d'etat and he has been called a traitor. he's been accused of stabbing the russian troops in the back. mr prigozhin came up with a new objective , came up with a new objective, which is now nothing less than the change of the regime here in moscow. and he is troops are about 500km away from the russian capital. and as you can see, there is there is there is no panic. but but as you said , no panic. but but as you said, the counter terrorists operate . the counter terrorists operate. the regime has been declared. so there is extra law enforcement

on the streets of moscow and it's an atmosphere of intense anticipation . i would say there anticipation. i would say there is no panic, but it's pretty tense in the russian capital right now. so what are some of the teeehtte— right now. so what are some of the possible scenarios- ” g“. so what are some of the possible scenarios of how the— the possible scenarios of how this conflict— the possible scenarios of how this conflict might actually end ? this conflict might actually end e hte— this conflict might actually end t he tee— this conflict might actually end ? it's too early— this conflict might actually end ? it's too early to— this conflict might actually end ? it's too early to tell- this conflict might actually end ? it's too early to tell because even though we could have expected this, everyone is in shock right now. yesterday nobody would be able to say that today , we would see a full scale today, we would see a full scale offensive on moscow, the russian caphal offensive on moscow, the russian capital. so how can be it can it can be anything. it can be the first day of the russian civil war or the wagner troops day because they outnumbered certainly by russian by the russian army . the difference is russian army. the difference is that the wagner private militia is quite a mighty force because they have a lot of combat experience. and according to mr prigozhin himself, he has 25,000 soldiers, although military analysts say it's something around 10,000, it's still a an immense force and some people are saying it might go as far as

we might see, some some fights on the streets of moscow tonight, but some people say it's going to end pretty for soon prigozhin and his private military company. so if we sort of follow this through because he's outnumbered, prigozhin is outnumbered just what awaits him after the conflict at again, there are all different sorts of theories on this one. some people are saying that he might simply get eliminated. some people say he will go to jail, but for sure he has crossed the point of no return and there is no there is no compromise solution for this one. already, the russian president, vladimir putin, has publicly called him a traitor, comparing actually the situation to what russia faced in 1917 with with with the bolshevik revolution and he said that now all all the possible measures to reinforce the constitutional order will be taken and all people guilty of this attempt to die will be held

accountable . and alexei, we're accountable. and alexei, we're reetty— accountable. and alexei, we're reetty geet— accountable. and alexei, we're reetty geet te— accountable. and alexei, we're really good to talk— accountable. and alexei, we're really good to talk to- ii and alexei, we're really good to talk to you. the.— really good to talk to you. the. et— really good to talk to you. this, of course,- really good to talk to you. this, of course, alexei. there, there— this, of course, alexei. there, there hm— this, of course, alexei. there, there hm htet— this, of course, alexei. there, there in red square in russia ghvhmg— there in red square in russia ghvhmg ee— there in red square in russia ghvhmg ee em— there in red square in russia giving us an exclusive here on gb giving us an exclusive here on et heve.— giving us an exclusive here on gb news. thank— giving us an exclusive here on gb news. thank you very much. tre-tt— gb news. thank you very much. vve-tt hetemtty— gb news. thank you very much. we'll hopefully catch up with you— we'll hopefully catch up with yee-tehete— we'll hopefully catch up with you - before 6:00. - we'll hopefully catch up with you before 6:00. thank you you just before 6:00. thank you very— you just before 6:00. thank you very-were— you just before 6:00. thank you very-were h-tt— you just before 6:00. thank you very-we're i'll keep- you just before 6:00. thank you very we're i'll keep your very much. we're i'll keep your theeghte— very much. we're i'll keep your thoughts coming— very much. we're i'll keep your thoughts coming with regard to the eemtthet— thoughts coming with regard to the conflict as— thoughts coming with regard to the conflict as well. but back at the conflict as well. but back et-tthehh — the conflict as well. but back at-rishi sunak- the conflict as well. but back at rishi sunak set to at home, rishi sunak is set to thhmg— at home, rishi sunak is set to trhmg hm— at home, rishi sunak is set to trhmg hm e— at home, rishi sunak is set to trhmg hm e hev— at home, rishi sunak is set to bring in a new policy that means thet— bring in a new policy that means thet eeheete— bring in a new policy that means that schools will— bring in a new policy that means that schools will be forced to teth— that schools will be forced to tett eetehte— that schools will be forced to tell parents if— that schools will be forced to tell parents if students are geeethemhmg— tell parents if students are- questioning—under questioning their gender under hev—gettemee- questioning their gender underi new—guidancelbe new government guidance to be tetthehet— new government guidance to be published .week. _ new government guidance to be published week. of course, published this week. of course, the— published this week. of course, thhe-e— published this week. of course, this-a teacher- published this week. of course, this a teacher branded this is after a teacher branded an this is after a teacher branded em—ehght— this is after a teacher branded em—ehght tutt- an eight year eight pupil theetteer— an eight year eight pupil disappear girl after she reteetet— disappear girl after she reteetet e— disappear girl after she rejected a classmates claim that she rejected a classmates claim that ehe htemthty— rejected a classmates claim that ehe htemthty ee— rejected a classmates claim that she identify as a— rejected a classmates claim that she identify as a cat. a reeerthmg— she identify as a cat. a recording that- she identify as a cat. a recording that widely being ehreetethmg — recording that widely being circulating online revealed that the the— circulating online revealed that the the vhev— circulating online revealed that the girl's view that gender is they— the girl's view that gender is thmery ee— the girl's view that gender is thmery very— the girl's view that gender is binary was very sad , according binary was very sad, according to binary was very sad, according te the— binary was very sad, according to the teacher. _ binary was very sad, according to the teacher. listen. have a thetem— to the teacher. listen. have a thetem te— to the teacher. listen. have a thetem te ht. — to the teacher. listen. have a listen to it. i— to the teacher. listen. have a listen to it. i tell- to the teacher. listen. have a listen to it. i tell you, you just really upset someone saying things like should be in an asylum. i say that if they want to identify as a cat or

something, then they're like genuinely on. yeah, that's crazy . you kristian niemietz there i beeni . you kristian niemietz there i been i was a question i was just saying about the gender, not saying about the gender, not saying anything about them. this idea there's only three genders if you're talking about the fact that cis gender is the norm , that cis gender is the norm, that cis gender is the norm, that you identify with the genden that you identify with the gender, that with the sexual organs that you're born with, you're weird. that's basically what you're saying. yeah. which is really despicable . wow. so if is really despicable. wow. so if teachers is really despicable. wow. so if teeehere ee— is really despicable. wow. so if teachers are saying,— ”tie..3t : i wow. so if teachers are saying, where are vee— teachers are saying, where are vet tehet— teachers are saying, where are wet the te— teachers are saying, where are we? what do you— teachers are saying, where are we? what do you think? should ehhttrem— we? what do you think? should ehhttrem te— we? what do you think? should children be free— we? what do you think? should children be free to— we? what do you think? should children be free to identify as emythhmg— children be free to identify as emythhmg they— children be free to identify as anything they want without eetehte— anything they want without parents knowledge or to discuss? i'm parents knowledge or to discuss? h-m tehet— parents knowledge or to discuss? h-m tehmet ty— parents knowledge or to discuss? h-m tehmet ty ett— parents knowledge or to discuss? i'm joined by all london media tereemethty— i'm joined by all london media personality commentator and of course, daniela— personality commentator and of course, daniela westbrook. temhette— course, daniela westbrook. danniella westbrook. thank you so danniella westbrook. thank you ee meeh— danniella westbrook. thank you ee meeh ter— danniella westbrook. thank you so much forjoining me. and etthe— so much forjoining me. and etthelvett — so much forjoining me. and ollie .well. i'm- so much forjoining me. and ollie well. i'm going to ollie as well. i'm going to etett— ollie as well. i'm going to etert vhth— ollie as well. i'm going to start with you,— ollie as well. i'm going to start with you, daniela. it's reetty— start with you, daniela. it's reetty-tett- start with you, daniela. it's- really _talk-well really good to talk to you. well h-m — really good to talk to you. well hm hm— really good to talk to you. well hm hm met— really good to talk to you. well i'm i'm not starstruck because i eeet— i'm i'm not starstruck because i eeet te— i'm i'm not starstruck because i eeet te veteh— i'm i'm not starstruck because i used to watch you— i'm i'm not starstruck because i used to watch you on eastenders all used to watch you on eastenders ett the— used to watch you on eastenders ett the thme— used to watch you on eastenders all the time and— used to watch you on eastenders all the time and i— used to watch you on eastenders all the time and i was like, god— all the time and i was like, eet. ehe-e— all the time and i was like, god, she's so— all the time and i was like, god, she's so gorgeous. i'd like to god, she's so gorgeous. i'd like te te— god, she's so gorgeous. i'd like te te hte— god, she's so gorgeous. i'd like to be like her.— god, she's so gorgeous. i'd like to be like her. but— god, she's so gorgeous. i'd like to be like her. but daniela, vhet— to be like her. but daniela, vhet te— to be like her. but daniela, vhet te yee— to be like her. but daniela, what do you think about this theme— what do you think about this theme h— what do you think about this

theme hm yem— what do you think about this then? in your view? is this is the— then? in your view? is this is thhe gehmg— then? in your view? is this is this going crazy,— then? in your view? is this is this going crazy, this gender hteetegy— this going crazy, this gender hteetegy. er— this going crazy, this gender ideology, or do— this going crazy, this gender ideology, or do you think it's tetr— ideology, or do you think it's tehr emeeghe— ideology, or do you think it's fair enough? _ ideology, or do you think it's fair enough? to— ideology, or do you think it's fair enough? i fair enough? to be perfectly honest, generation, honest, for my generation, i find all very hard to deal find it all very hard to deal with. i'd like to take into, you know, if i'm if , you know, context if i'm if, you know, context if i'm if, you know, if i'm honest. um when i was younger, it was a big deal if somebody was gay. now it's a big deal. if somebody wants to be gender fluid. i mean, for me personally, live and let live, i don't know, i don't see don't see, you know, i don't see the problem with child the problem with if a child wants to that way. i bought wants to be that way. i bought both. i have two children. they're both very, very different. i them both up different. i bought them both up to want to to believe in what they want to believe. bought them both believe. i bought them both up to be completely unique, and i didn't give them anything didn't even give them anything religion make religion based. i let them make their own decisions in life. um, and just think, you know, and i just think, you know, sometimes born sometimes children are born a certain and they want be certain way and they want to be a way. so let them be a certain way. so let them be a certain way. and other times maybe it's a phase and they're grown but maybe it's grown out of it. but maybe it's not. if it's not, then you not. and if it's not, then you need embrace your and need to embrace your child and love for whatever, for love it for whatever, for whatever gender whatever they whatever gender or whatever they want seen know, want to be seen as. you know, that's your and you have

that's your child and you have to that. if can't to embrace that. if you can't doubt them as parents, then who doubt them as parents, then who do have support them? do they have to support them? but if they identify as a but even if they identify as a catt— but even if they identify as a eet. thet-e— but even if they identify as a cat, that's that's— but even if they identify as a cat, that's that's that's, you thew.— cat, that's that's that's, you thet-whet- cat, that's that's that's, you know, what they're going know, that's what they're going for know, that's what they're going ter— h — know, that's what they're going tet—h meeh- know, that's what they're going for—i mean, for. know, that's what they're goingi for—i mean, for me for at the time. i mean, for me personally , i can't comment on personally, i can't comment on that because not my child. that because it's not my child. but, know, it's very fine but, you know, it's a very fine line the teacher is line because the teacher is saying, yes, you've hurt somebody's feelings and yes, they but same time, they have. but at the same time, i understand where the other i can understand where the other child so maybe child is coming from. so maybe us adults need to step in and us as adults need to step in and educate children on both sides of line here. you know , and of the line here. you know, and maybe need educating that maybe we need educating on that as people that as well from from people that are know. i don't i don't are in the know. i don't i don't actually know. but all i know is that has feelings and that everybody has feelings and we kind to each other we should be kind to each other no matter we see ourselves no matter what. we see ourselves as london. ithink no matter what. we see ourselves as london. i think the as only london. i think the heee— as only london. i think the issue actually— as only london. i think the issue actually lies- i“ i think the issue actually lies with the teeehere— issue actually lies with the teachers because firstly, teeehere— teachers because firstly, teachers-job l teachers because firstly,| teachers-job is teachers because firstly, teachers-job is be teachers have one job is to be hmterthet — teachers have one job is to be hmterthet hte— teachers have one job is to be impartial. it's to— teachers have one job is to be impartial. . i impartial. it's to teach children facts and it's also to allow children have a debate. allow children to have a debate. because and because the debate and discussion is very healthy in the the fact that the society. so the fact that this branded this child this teacher branded this child despicable for simply stating the facts that , you know, it is

the facts that, you know, it is a bit crazy for someone to identify as a cat. i get people do different identities, do have different identities, but think the thing, you but i think the cat thing, you know, in the audio, know, you heard in the audio, somebody asylum . somebody mentioned an asylum. you it is getting to that you know, it is getting to that point right now. maybe we need to consider bringing these asylums back because it really has but know, has gone crazy. but you know, a teacher has one job to be impartial . and i think they impartial. and i think they really line really overstepped the line pushing agenda. you pushing this woke agenda. you know, they should be speaking about biology. but the about facts and biology. but the fact teacher about facts and biology. but the fact-teacher actually- fact that the teacher actually eettet— fact that the teacher actually called-child _ fact that the teacher actually called-child a _ fact that the teacher actually called child a name as well, called the child a name as well, vhheh— called the child a name as well, vhheh ee— called the child a name as well, vhheh em— called the child a name as well, which was an insult— called the child a name as well, which was an insult, called them teetheette— which was an insult, called them teetheette. te— which was an insult, called them despicable. do you— which was an insult, called them despicable. do you not think thet— despicable. do you not think thet-tt— despicable. do you not think that-bitlalso- despicable. do you not think that-bitlalso too- despicable. do you not think that bit also too far? that that bit is also too far? temhete— that that bit is also too far? daniela, what— that that bit is also too far? daniela, what do you make of. i thhht— daniela, what do you make of. i thmt thet— daniela, what do you make of. i think that would— daniela, what do you make of. i think that would .— daniela, what do you make of. i think that would . sorry.- daniela, what do you make of. i think that would . sorry. yeah, think that would. sorry. yeah, i think that would. sorry. yeah, i think that would completely too far was it daniela ? and far sorry was it daniela? and remember, this is not,- . t 7 and remember, this is not, you know , remember, this is not, you know . thhe— remember, this is not, you know . thhe he— remember, this is not, you know . thhe he e— remember, this is not, you know .the he e yeemg— remember, this is not, you know , this is a young child. it's a yet— , this is a young child. it's a yeer ehght— , this is a young child. it's a year eight student. you know, it's year eight student. you know, ht-e met— year eight student. you know, he met the— year eight student. you know, it's not this is— year eight student. you know, it's not this is not— year eight student. you know, it's not this is not somebody in eettege— it's not this is not somebody in eettege er— it's not this is not somebody in eettege er hm— it's not this is not somebody in college or in uni.— it's not this is not somebody in college or in uni. this is a yet— college or in uni. this is a yeer ehght— college or in uni. this is a year eight student who has every ehght— year eight student who has every rhght te— year eight student who has every rhght te eet— year eight student who has every right to ask the— year eight student who has every right to ask the question. yes, they— right to ask the question. yes, they mhght— right to ask the question. yes, they mhght met— right to ask the question. yes, they might not have done it the ehght— they might not have done it the rhght hey.— they might not have done it the rhght vey. tet— they might not have done it the right way, but they are children . amt— right way, but they are children . amt h— right way, but they are children . amt h thhmt— right way, but they are children . and i think ollie's right there.— . and i think ollie's right there-there— . and i think ollie's right there..there is- . and i think ollie's right there. there is a huge a huge

there. is there is a huge a huge the— there. is there is a huge a huge the te— there. is there is a huge a huge the te te— there. is there is a huge a huge line to be drawn— there. is there is a huge a huge line to be drawn here of where do line to be drawn here of where te ve— line to be drawn here of where te we there— line to be drawn here of where do we where do— line to be drawn here of where do we where do we draw this thmee— do we where do we draw this the amt— do we where do we draw this line? and also _ do we where do we draw this line? and also sometimes things are line? and also sometimes things ere-hte— line? and also sometimes things ere-hmte the— line? and also sometimes things are-into the public- are pushed into the public temehm— are pushed into the public temehm-te- are pushed into the public domain.-to-us| are pushed into the public- domain.-to-us look at domain. a lot to make us look at teet— domain. a lot to make us look at teetlthet— domain. a lot to make us look at teetlthet-met— domain. a lot to make us look at look-that-not other- look at that and not other thhmge— look at that and not otherj things—issues look at that and not other. things—issues of things and the real issues of vhet-e— things and the real issues of vhet-e gehmg— things and the real issues of what's going on,— things and the real issues of what's going on, the underlying eetee—thew.- what's going on, the underlying issues—know, i- what's going on, the underlying issues—know, i can issues here. so you know, i can eee-ettee— issues here. so you know, i can eee-ehtee et— issues here. so you know, i can see-sides of the- issues here. so you know, i can see sides of the but see both sides of the line, but hte— see both sides of the line, but he e— see both sides of the line, but he e very.— see both sides of the line, but he e very. very— see both sides of the line, but it's a very, very tough one. otte— it's a very, very tough one. the vet.— it's a very, very tough one. ollie well, you _ it's a very, very tough one. ollie well, you know,- it's a very, very tough one. ollie well, you know, it's good to see that the equalities minister, kemi badenoch, is actually action and is actually taking action and is launching investigation and launching an investigation and so education secretary, so is the education secretary, gillian because think gillian keegan, because i think schools need to know that their job is to teach the facts and to be impartial and kids should be allowed to have a debate. so i think like daniela said,- so i think like daniela said, the heee— think like daniela said, the here— think like daniela said, the issue here is— think like daniela said, the issue here is the fact that the teeeher— issue here is the fact that the teacher branded _ issue here is the fact that the teacher branded this child teetheette.— teacher branded this child despicable, calling child despicable, calling a child a name when the— despicable, calling a child a name when the child was simply etethmg— name when the child was simply etethmg teete.— name when the child was simply stating facts. and,— name when the child was simply stating facts. and, you know, theeeeeheme— discussions should be encouraged. - discussions should be encouraged. all of encouraged. but i think all of the—yee- encouraged. but i think all of this—you know,- encouraged. but i think all ofi this—you know, it's this wokeism is you know, it's hermtet— this wokeism is you know, it's hermtet te— this wokeism is you know, it's harmful to be— this wokeism is you know, it's harmful to be pushed on children teeeee— harmful to be pushed on children because children are so impressionable . so it needs to impressionable. so it needs to be impressionable. so it needs to te-eet— impressionable. so it needs to te-eet et— impressionable. so it needs to te-eet et the— impressionable. so it needs to be out of the classroom. so be kept out of the classroom. so i be kept out of the classroom. so h thhmh— be kept out of the classroom. so h mhe-thew.— be kept out of the classroom. so ithink,-know, kemi- i think, you know, kemi tetemeeh— i think, you know, kemi badenoch, equalities badenoch, the equalities mhmheter.— badenoch, the equalities minister,-the. badenoch, the equalities minister, the right minister, is doing the right thhmg—tmtl thing investigating. and

hetetetty— thing investigating. and hopefully deter thing investigating. and- hopefully-deter other hopefully this will deter other eeheete— hopefully this will deter other schools—this- hopefully this will deter other. schools—this woke schools from pushing this woke ideology—. - schools from pushing this woke ideology—. um.- schools from pushing this wokei ideology_. um, but ideology on children. um, but but but.— ideology on children. um, but but but, ollie, you think but but, ollie, don't you think that seems a ballooned from that this seems a ballooned from the whole jenny spectrum because it's like a cat gender, like my daughter. she's at school now. she's a teenager. she told me that she was frightened because when she goes to school, somebody identifies as a panda now, and his panda gender, there's a bear bear gender. i mean , come on, honey. this, mean, come on, honey. this, this, this . like i hear this, this. like i hear danielle's point with regard to, you know, creativity. but ollie , isn't this going too far .7 i , isn't this going too far.7 i mean, look, we know that there are mean, look, we know that there people — mean, look, we know that there peepte ehee— mean, look, we know that there are people that are born with gender— are people that are born with gender dysphoria . there are gender dysphoria. there are peepte— gender dysphoria. there are peepte ehee— gender dysphoria. there are people that generally are transgender— people that generally are transgender and they've felt upe— transgender and they've felt like—me. i transgender and they've felt| like _ life. so like that their whole life. so we knew— like that their whole life. so we know that. _ like that their whole life. so we know that. but i think it's reeuy— we know that. but i think it's really pene— we know that. but i think it's really gone too— we know that. but i think it's really gone too far with all of thee— really gone too far with all of these - identities. - really gone too far with all of these identities. you know, these new identities. you know, yep-ve— these new identities. you know, you've _mean, what. these new identities. you know, you've mean, what are you've got kat, i mean, what are their—oe— you've got kat, i mean, what are pep-do they- you've got kat, i mean, what are their- do they use- their pronouns? do they use ponone.— their pronouns? do they use pronouns? become pronouns? it's just become neouy— pronouns? it's just become really absurd— pronouns? it's just become really absurd and now you've got people—funnies,- people identifying as furries, none—unnel people identifying as furries,. nana—little bit nana and furries is a little bit more-because- nana and furries is a little bit more-because it's,- nana and furries is a little bit more because it's, you more harmful because it's, you know,— more harmful because it's, you know, oney-ne — more harmful because it's, you know, they're identifying as annals,— know, they're identifying as animate—on- animals, but it's more of a fenn— animals, but it's more of a nenen. so— animals, but it's more of a fetish. so it— animals, but it's more of a fetish. so it looks innocent. tney-ne— fetish. so it looks innocent. nney-nelnnn— fetish. so it looks innocent. they're this cuddly, they're in this cuddly, beautiful—

they're in this cuddly, beautiful outfit dog beautiful cat outfit or dog openn— beautiful cat outfit or dog open, one— beautiful cat outfit or dog outfit, but that's more of a fenn— outfit, but that's more of a nenen. .— outfit, but that's more of a fetish. i think— outfit, but that's more of a fetish. i think that's the real issue-these- fetish. i think that's the real issue. these fetishes issue. when these fetishes and tneee— issue. when these fetishes and these unusual— issue. when these fetishes and these unusual identities are pene— these unusual identities are being-on— these unusual identities are- being-on-children being pushed on young children nno— being pushed on young children nno enonto— being pushed on young children who should not— being pushed on young children who should not even thinking who should not even be thinking epon— who should not even be thinking about-nines— who should not even be thinking about-nines .— who should not even be thinking about-things , they- who should not even be thinking about things , they should about these things, they should just about these things, they should just—with- about these things, they should just—with their. just be getting on with their education— just be getting on with their education, focusing their education, focusing on their study. — education, focusing on their study. .tnn-e— education, focusing on their study. .that's it.- education, focusing on their study. that's it. you know, study. and that's it. you know, nomen— study. and that's it. you know, notnen-nonnp— study. and that's it. you know, rather having people saying rather than having people saying tney-ne—ono- rather than having people saying tney-ne—ono n-ei they're a cat and panda and it's they're a cat and panda and it's tne foot— they're a cat and panda and it's the fact when— they're a cat and panda and it's the fact when people play along nnn— the fact when people play along nnnlyon— the fact when people play along nnnlyon know,— the fact when people play along with you know, when we with it, you know, when we penalty— with it, you know, when we actually literally pandering to it, actually literally pandering to n—yon-e- actually literally pandering to it, you're pandering it, you know, you're pandering to-toennnnnp- to someone identifying as a panda.— to someone identifying as a panda-_tol to someone identifying as a- ponoo. _to non panda. when we pander to that, i tnnk— panda. when we pander to that, i mink-ne— panda. when we pander to that, i think-the issue.— panda. when we pander to that, i think-the issue. we- panda. when we pander to that, i think the issue. we need think that's the issue. we need to stop— think that's the issue. we need to stop tnn— think that's the issue. we need to stop this madness right now one— to stop this madness right now one-speak— to stop this madness right now one-speak up— to stop this madness right now and-speak up for- to stop this madness right now and speak up for common and just speak up for common sense. _laughing. i and just speak up for commoni sense. _laughing. we sense. daniel is laughing. we laugh panda to that. some laugh that panda to that. some of i really do think is of it i really do think is attention— of it i really do think is attention ,_ of it i really do think is attention , though some of it is attention, though some of it is none— attention, though some of it is pone-seeking.- attention, though some of it is quite-seeking. i'm. attention, though some of it is quite seeking. i'm all quite attention seeking. i'm all down— quite attention seeking. i'm all down-the— quite attention seeking. i'm all down the transgender. i'm down for the transgender. i'm all down for the transgender. i'm ou-tnon — down for the transgender. i'm all-that. ithink,- down for the transgender. i'm all that. think, you all about that. i think, you know,— all about that. i think, you moose-- all about that. i think, you knoonwne- .- all about that. i think, you know,-wise , i- all about that. i think, you know, wise , i think know, gender wise, i think not-e— know, gender wise, i think note-nut— know, gender wise, i think that's but really, you're that's fine. but really, you're not—not- that's fine. but really, you're not—not ol that's fine. but really, you'rei not—not o eon not a panda, you're not a cat, youre— not a panda, you're not a cat, youre nor— not a panda, you're not a cat, you nor o— not a panda, you're not a cat, you-re nor o oop— not a panda, you're not a cat, you're not a dog, you're not a sneer— you're not a dog, you're not a sneer voure— you're not a dog, you're not a sneer voure o— you're not a dog, you're not a snake. you're a person whether youre— snake. you're a person whether you-relpoy— snake. you're a person whether you-relpoylo— snake. you're a person whether you-relpoylo orn— snake. you're a person whether you're boy a girl or you're a boy or a girl or genderfluid— you're a boy or a girl or genderfluid is- you're a boy or a girl or genderfluid is fine, but you're not genderfluid is fine, but you're norlonrnor. — genderfluid is fine, but you're not-animal. _but. genderfluid is fine, but you're. not-animal. _but you'd not an animal. yeah, but you'd be despicable that. be called despicable for that. daniela, that note , daniela, on that. on that note, um, but maybe i'm just old fashioned . i don't know. well,

fashioned. i don't know. well, that's what the teacher was calling the child. that is why i say that. listen, it's really good to talk to you both. daniela, so much. daniela, thank you so much. i know is there turkey. know daniela is there in turkey. thank so much. we'll you thank you so much. we'll get you on live soon to have on the show live soon to have a proper chat all about you and olly. london always a pleasure, as ever. thank you for your thoughts. you take enjoy thoughts. you take care. enjoy yourselves. they both look like they're extravagant they're in very extravagant locations. ollie locations. batus. that was ollie at of course, diana at london and of course, diana danniella westbrook. right. so what think? touch. what do you think? get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com on way vaiews@gbnews.com on the way though. on our though. continuing on our breaking news the story is breaking news the story that is hitting headlines all across hitting the headlines all across the is facing army the uk, russia is facing an army after the leader of russia's wagner mercenary group yevgeny prigozhin that he has prigozhin claims that he has seized military facilities in a southern region of russia , with southern region of russia, with reports that they are halfway to moscow after the great debate this out i'm asking is it time for the state to step in interest rates have hit 5% this week, although when i was young, that wasn't much. and now at the highest level since 2008. and thatis highest level since 2008. and that is people's mortgages that is as people's mortgages are set to through the roof.

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and people's nonpopee— many years? and people's mortgages-set- many years? and people's mortgages set to through mortgages are set to go through the—estimates. mortgages are set to go through the—estimates at| the roof with some estimates at none— the roof with some estimates at home-disposable- the roof with some estimates at home disposable income home owners disposable income coutu— home owners disposable income count-py— home owners disposable income eouru-py oe— home owners disposable income could-by as much- home owners disposable income could by as much 20% as could drop by as much as 20% as a could drop by as much as 20% as o resurr— could drop by as much as 20% as o reeurr or— could drop by as much as 20% as a result of all— could drop by as much as 20% as a result of all of— could drop by as much as 20% as a result of all of this— could drop by as much as 20% as a result of all of this . but it a result of all of this. but it is.therefore_ a result of all of this. but it isltherefore time- a result of all of this. but it is therefore time rishi is it therefore time for rishi sunok— is it therefore time for rishi sunok onu— is it therefore time for rishi sunak and jeremy hunt to help none— sunak and jeremy hunt to help none-nrrn— home owners with their eprrornnp— home owners with their spiralling like they've spiralling costs like they've done— spiralling costs like they've none-nonp— spiralling costs like they've done rising energy prices? done for rising energy prices? unor— done for rising energy prices? wnor-rnrnk— done for rising energy prices? what-think 7- done for rising energy prices? what-think 7 so- done for rising energy prices? what think ? so for the what do you think? so for the ereer— what do you think? so for the great british— what do you think? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm great british debate this hour, r-n _onouru— great british debate this hour, i'm _should the - great british debate this hour, i'm should the state i'm asking, should the state prep— i'm asking, should the state erep ine— i'm asking, should the state step in? well,— i'm asking, should the state step in? well, joining me to discuss— step in? well, joining me to discuss re— step in? well, joining me to discuss is former adviser the discuss is former adviser to the nonn— discuss is former adviser to the none—nr- - discuss is former adviser to the none—nr- roper- bank of england, dr. roger gourd,— bank of england, dr. roger nouro, onu— bank of england, dr. roger gould, and housing and property expen— gould, and housing and property expen neuro— gould, and housing and property expert ricardo blanco and chief economic adviser— expert ricardo blanco and chief economic adviser at the centre of economics— economic adviser at the centre of economics and— economic adviser at the centre of economics and business neeeoron. — of economics and business research. vicky— of economics and business research. vicky price. okay, so r-n — research. vicky price. okay, so r-n going—

research. vicky price. okay, so r-n going ro— research. vicky price. okay, so i'm going to start— research. vicky price. okay, so i'm going to start with you, reopen— i'm going to start with you, roger, because— i'm going to start with you, roger, because these 5% actually i roger, because these 5% actually r rnrnk— roger, because these 5% actually r rnrnk rne— roger, because these 5% actually i think the interest— roger, because these 5% actually i think the interest rates have been— i think the interest rates have been neur— i think the interest rates have been new or— i think the interest rates have been held at a— i think the interest rates have been held at a low rate for too long-— been held at a low rate for too ronp. nur— been held at a low rate for too long. but where— been held at a low rate for too long. but where do you some unere— long. but where do you some unere oo— long. but where do you some unere no you— long. but where do you some where do you stand with this? yueu. — where do you stand with this? yueu. rnere-e— where do you stand with this? well, there's an— where do you stand with this? well, there's an awful- where do you stand with this? well, there's an awful lot- where do you stand with this? well, there's an awful lot of information that you've given there. let me try to pick it apart, because there are a number of different things. number one, you're absolutely rrpnr. — number one, you're absolutely rrpnr. _me- number one, you're absolutelyi right. _rates-were right. interest rates were were too long. andrew too low for too long. andrew bailey was appointed governor of the of england in march the bank of england in march 2020, just as covid began. and to his credit, he saw a huge crisis coming and he did everything he could to have business grow and expand and not have the economy fall . so he have the economy fall. so he pushed the banks to lend money and make businesses grow. he held interest rates back up. but for way too long he even went to the banks and talked about negative interest rates to force them to lend more. he tried all of that, but he's got a track record of doing things too late and that don't work. he record of doing things too late and that don't work . he also, record of doing things too late and that don't work. he also, in november that pumped £150 november that year pumped £150 billion of quantity of easing.

in other words, printing money into the economy when clearly he shouldn't have. and that's what caused a lot of the problems that we've got today. so first point you made. yes yes. they waited way too long. they should have raised interest rates very gradually over years. you gradually over the years. you don't it all 13 times on don't dump it all 13 times on the head of people over a 12 month period . number two, i month period. number two, i think i also have to correct, if i may , everybody is talking i may, everybody is talking about, oh, you know, grow up. come on, chill out . i mean, come on, chill out. i mean, interest rates were 14, 15% back. well, yeah, go read the leeds building society and the other reports that will tell you and i hope you're all sitting a 6% is actually a 6.4% mortgage today is the equivalent, they say , of a 25.7% mortgage in say, of a 25.7% mortgage in 1980. can you imagine a mortgage at 25.8? 0.7. so there's a lot of waffle being thrown around that clouds the picture here.

but also, i suppose the banks erron— but also, i suppose the banks errou you— but also, i suppose the banks upon you ro— but also, i suppose the banks allow you to borrow a bigger nuurpre— allow you to borrow a bigger nunrpre or— allow you to borrow a bigger multiple of your— allow you to borrow a bigger multiple of your income. was rnen— multiple of your income. was rnen rnor— multiple of your income. was then that small— multiple of your income. was then that small percentage that euuoenry— then that small percentage that suddenly becomes a huge amount . suddenly becomes a huge amount. vreky— suddenly becomes a huge amount. vreky pryce,— suddenly becomes a huge amount. vreky rryee, r-n— suddenly becomes a huge amount. vicky pryce, i'm going to come to vicky pryce, i'm going to come ro you— vicky pryce, i'm going to come ro you neon— vicky pryce, i'm going to come ro you nexr. on— vicky pryce, i'm going to come to you next. oh, yes. well, i've puer— to you next. oh, yes. well, i've tuer been— to you next. oh, yes. well, i've just been listening— to you next. oh, yes. well, i've just been listening to what's been— just been listening to what's been enu— just been listening to what's been said, but— just been listening to what's been said, but the first thing to been said, but the first thing ro soy— been said, but the first thing ro eoy re— been said, but the first thing ro say to nor— been said, but the first thing to say is that loads of other oenrror— to say is that loads of other central banks— to say is that loads of other central banks did exactly the or— central banks did exactly the or me— central banks did exactly the same at the time we had a crisis so same at the time we had a crisis eo eorreo— same at the time we had a crisis so called covid. _ same at the time we had a crisis so called covid. we- same at the time we had a crisis so called covid. �*vyr�*rz; r: r: " e so called covid. we didn't know when it was going to finish. the economy looked like it was going into a deep recession, which it did mean. we lost a huge amount of gdp 2020 alone, and it of our gdp in 2020 alone, and it took quite time to recover took quite some time to recover the needed borrow the government needed to borrow and spend a lot of money to keep the going. bank of the economy going. the bank of england by buying england supported this by buying the bonds that the government lent issued in the lent itself issued in the secondary market. that's how quantitative and quantitative easing works and loads of other central banks did that.in loads of other central banks did that. in fact, some did even more than than we did . and if more than than we did. and if you the you look at the huge intervention the intervention in europe, the european central bank, the huge intervention in the us with the federal reserve and interest

rates were cut just as much in other countries. and the interesting thing is that if you look at europe, for example, the european central bank had kept interest rates negative until last july after we had been raising our rates. we put them up first before even the federal reserve started doing so . they reserve started doing so. they only started doing it then , and only started doing it then, and yet they now have a lot lower inflation than we do. quite a lot of the countries in europe have inflation, which is half what we've got. so it isn't that it isn't the extra money supply really that did it. it's just the structure of the economy. and i'm sorry to have to say that nana a little bit of brexit in there as well. i've found unen— in there as well. i've found when somebody— in there as well. i've found when somebody is- " ”rzz; i've found when somebody is going to, it's envoys— when somebody is going to, it's always brexit's_ when somebody is going to, it's always brexit's fault. ricardo bronco.— always brexit's fault. ricardo bronco-vee- — always brexit's fault. ricardo blanco.-yes. i- always brexit's fault. ricardo blanco. yes. z always brexit's fault. ricardo- blanco.-yes. i mean, i come blanco. yes yes. i mean, i come at this more from a sort of property and mortgages angle. of course . and i would say, you of course. and i would say, you know,— of course. and i would say, you know, rnor— of course. and i would say, you know, that this— of course. and i would say, you know, that this main lever that the know, that this main lever that rne—ore- know, that this main lever that rne—ore rryrnpi the bank of england are trying to the bank of england are trying ro purr,— the bank of england are trying ro pup, unen— the bank of england are trying to pull, which is— the bank of england are trying to pull, which is to raise rnrereer— to pull, which is to raise interest rates,- to pull, which is to raise interest rates, to bring down rnrrorron— interest rates, to bring down inflation,.not_ interest rates, to bring down inflation,.not as- interest rates, to bring down inflation, not as effective inflation, is not as effective as n— inflation, is not as effective as rr-ro— inflation, is not as effective as rr-ro pe. — inflation, is not as effective as rr-ro pe. - inflation, is not as effective as it-to be. 20- inflation, is not as effective

as it to be. $90 herzr3”; inflation, is not as effective- as it-to be. 20 years ago, as it used to be. 20 years ago, 70% of people were on variable rate mortgages. now only 15% of people are on variable rate mortgages. about a million people will come off fixed rates in the next year. now, two years ago, the average two year fixed rate was 1.4. it's now 5.4% or more. so we will see the effect of that increase release of interest rates at the bank of england has put in place, but it's taking a lot longer now and the effect is much slower. and i think that's one of the problems really with with what the bank of england is trying do. of england is trying to do. it doesn't have kind of doesn't have that kind of immediate it might immediate effect as it might have some years ago. that's have had some years ago. that's an interesting point— have had some years ago. that's an interesting point that- “r3r: 3 that's an interesting point that you more.— an interesting point that you more. so— an interesting point that you make. so roger,— an interesting point that you make. so roger, is should the governmen— make. so roger, is should the government then— make. so roger, is should the government then stepping in government then be stepping in like government then be stepping in nee-nrrn— government then be stepping in like _with covm- government then be stepping in like with covid and like they did with covid and none— like they did with covid and doing-handouts- like they did with covid and- doing-handouts-things doing some handouts and things like doing some handouts and things nee-e— doing some handouts and things nee-e re— doing some handouts and things like-? is that— doing some handouts and things like-? is that is— doing some handouts and things like ? is that is that like that? is that is that i rnrnk— like that? is that is that i rnrnk rney— like that? is that is that i think they should i don't think rney— think they should i don't think they-handouts. . think they should i don't think they-handouts. i. think they should i don't think- they-handouts. i spoke they should do handouts. i spoke on run— they should do handouts. i spoke on this channel— they should do handouts. i spoke on this channel yesterday actually about six things that are easy fixes that the government should be doing. but one of them and it's a point that our two colleagues haven't

mentioned is that we don't have the same kind of inflation in the same kind of inflation in the uk as the other countries that vicky has mentioned. have and that's why their inflation is going down and ours is going up. that's why it is such an idiotic mistake to make rise after rise after rise. what football manager i keep saying would walk onto the pitch for the 13th game with the playbook for which he lost the last 12 and believe allowed to stay there. it's absurd. we have what's called cost push inflation. it's not consumer driven. people are not overspending as they are , for overspending as they are, for example, in the states where they have have their inflation. it's below 5. ours keeps going up here. people are heating, eating. we're not overspending . eating. we're not overspending. you don't drive down people's spending when they're not spending when they're not spending by crushing them with the burden of extra interest rates. so what do you do then, roger?— rates. so what do you do then, roger? vou— rates. so what do you do then, roger? you leave— so what do you do then, roger? you leave them as they rn— roger? you leave them as they rn 2009.— roger? you leave them as they are. in 2009, we— roger? you leave them as they are. “ $2009 roger? you leave them as they are. ’“ $9009 wu�*rzz”rz; '“ roger? you leave them as they are. “ $2009 “ roger? you leave them as they are. “$2009 z“ are. in 2009, we were in a very similar situation regarding oil pnces similar situation regarding oil prices as and the then prices as such, and the then managers of the bank of england

left the rate untouched at 0.5% for three years. it cost push runs itself out as this will. well, vicky, that's contrary to unor— well, vicky, that's contrary to unor you — well, vicky, that's contrary to unor you were— well, vicky, that's contrary to what you were saying. you were saying— what you were saying. you were eoyrno neon— what you were saying. you were saying brexit and— what you were saying. you were saying brexit and things you eoyrno— saying brexit and things you were saying something different. very— were saying something different. very pretty— were saying something different. very briefly, vicky,— were saying something different. very briefly, vicky, you got opour— very briefly, vicky, you got opour zeo— very briefly, vicky, you got about 20s no,— very briefly, vicky, you got about 20s no, no, i wasn't eoyrno— about 20s no, no, i wasn't saying anything seriously different. _ saying anything seriously- different. _agree. different. actually, i do agree. cost is what we've the cost push is what we've got. the question why do we have cost question is why do we have cost push? and one the reasons is, push? and one of the reasons is, of course that we have some shortages in various areas where staff from staff that we used to come from the eu longer come. and those the eu no longer come. and those are where prices are are the areas where prices are rising. all the service rising. it's all the service sectors, whether it's retail, whether it's hospitality, whether it's hospitality, whether tourism. and that's whether it's hospitality, whethrreally tourism. and that's whether it's hospitality, whethrreally the ism. and that's whether it's hospitality, whethrreally the pressure that's whether it's hospitality, whethrreally the pressure should where really the pressure should be of those. so and be to ease some of those. so and it inflationary it is the inflationary expectations have expectations that we have encouraged . stepped very encouraged. we stepped in very late with energy costs. late to help with energy costs. we have done little the we have done very little on the food lots food prices side, whereas lots of countries have either of other countries have either voluntary or mandatory on voluntary or mandatory caps on on so i agree that on prices. so i agree that interest rates, as roger said, are really the answer . are not really the answer. okay. so finally then to you, nreoroo — okay. so finally then to you, ricardo blanco._ okay. so finally then to you, ricardo blanco. should the state erep— ricardo blanco. should the state erep p...— ricardo blanco. should the state erep p... yee— ricardo blanco. should the state erep p... yee or— ricardo blanco. should the state

step in, yes or no?— ricardo blanco. should the state step in, yes or no? should the erere— step in, yes or no? should the one prep— step in, yes or no? should the one erep rn— step in, yes or no? should the state step in and— step in, yes or no? should the state step in and help out ? state step in and help out? very— state step in and help out? very well — state step in and help out? very well r— state step in and help out? very well. i think— state step in and help out? very well. i think there's not very the state can do very much that the state can do in a sense. mean, what they've in a sense. i mean, what they've done they've got the big done is they've got the big banks together and said, come on, people with on, please help people with mortgages. mean, i think this mortgages. i mean, i think this thing they're going to do thing where they're going to do six months people can pay six months where people can pay interest only interesting interest only is interesting because that hasn't been done before. i suspect people are going to need at least a year, though, on interest only because we're high rates for we're looking at high rates for quite now. mean, quite some time now. i mean, some people that they will some people think that they will peak at 6% in the autumn and then take well over a year to start coming back down again. so i'm not sure that six months paying i'm not sure that six months paying interest only is going to be the time. so . so yes or no be the time. so. so yes or no erere— be the time. so. so yes or no one prep— be the time. so. so yes or no one erep rn— be the time. so. so yes or no state step in, yes— be the time. so. so yes or no state step in, yes or- e so. so yes or no state step in, yes or no? briefly,— state step in, yes or no? nneny, eo— state step in, yes or no? nneny, no r— state step in, yes or no? briefly, so i can. 0“ «dz; briefly, so i can. oh, yes. okay. — briefly, so i can. oh, yes. okay. i'll say yes. all right, listen. well, listen, just stay nrrn— listen. well, listen, just stay nrrn ue— listen. well, listen, just stay with us because— e ’;z“ well, listen, just stay with us because we're going to carry— with us because we're going to carry on— with us because we're going to carry on runne— with us because we're going to carry on talking with roger. wen, — carry on talking with roger. well-yo.— carry on talking with roger. well-you very- carry on talking with roger. well, you very much, well, thank you very much, nooruo— well, thank you very much, ricardo—also. well, thank you very much,- ricardo—alsolvicky ricardo blanco and also to vicky rryee. — ricardo blanco and also to vicky rryee. noon— ricardo blanco and also to vicky rryee. noon ro— ricardo blanco and also to vicky pryce. good to talk— ricardo blanco and also to vicky pryce. good to talk to you this is pryce. good to talk to you this n on— pryce. good to talk to you this n on news.— pryce. good to talk to you this is gb news. we're— pryce. good to talk to you this is gb news. we're live on tv, online— is gb news. we're live on tv, online-digital- is gb news. we're live on tv, online digital radio on online and on digital radio on the online and on digital radio on rne—pe— online and on digital radio on the—be discussing.

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erree.— various sites into russian cities. meanwhile, the mayor of moscow— cities. meanwhile, the mayor of moscow claims— cities. meanwhile, the mayor of moscow claims the city is facing a moscow claims the city is facing o very— moscow claims the city is facing a very difficult— moscow claims the city is facing a very difficult situation , that a very difficult situation, that a very difficult situation, that a counter—terrorist regime has been— a counter—terrorist regime has been declared— a counter—terrorist regime has been declared in— a counter—terrorist regime has been declared in the city. so to discuss— been declared in the city. so to discuss rnre— been declared in the city. so to discuss rnre .— been declared in the city. so to discuss this , i'm— been declared in the city. so to discuss this , i'm joined by discuss this, i'm joined by pouneor— discuss this, i'm joined by political commentator danny arnerrone.— political commentator danny armstrong. danny well, things are armstrong. danny well, things reouy— armstrong. danny well, things are really progressing . things are really progressing. things you— are really progressing. things you know,— are really progressing. things are, you know, by the minute . is are, you know, by the minute. is rnre— are, you know, by the minute. is rnre o— are, you know, by the minute. is rnre o eenoue— are, you know, by the minute. is this a serious ,_ are, you know, by the minute. is this a serious , serious move at this a serious, serious move at rne— this a serious, serious move at rne nonenre— this a serious, serious move at the moment? because this group is the moment? because this group n only— the moment? because this group to only opour— the moment? because this group is only about 20,— the moment? because this group is only about 20, 25,000, but is it is only about 20, 25,000, but is n ukery— is only about 20, 25,000, but is n ukery ro— is only about 20, 25,000, but is it likely to suddenly start accumulating— it likely to suddenly start accumulating as more and more people,— accumulating as more and more people, more— accumulating as more and more people, onu— accumulating as more and more people, more and more members of the people, more and more members of rne amy,— people, more and more members of rne arny are— people, more and more members of rne anny, are rney— people, more and more members of the army, are they likely to join— the army, are they likely to join in— the army, are they likely to join rn nrrn— the army, are they likely to join in with this— the army, are they likely to join in with this ? well, it's an join in with this? well, it's an rnrereenno— join in with this? well, it's an interesting question. ' “r: interesting question. and of course, we'll— interesting question. and of course, we'll come- interesting question. and of course, we'll come to the first part of that question. it is serious. i mean, it's certainly something that hasn't been seen before during this war. prigozhin leader of prigozhin that's the leader of the wagner pmc, the private military company, russia's private , essentially has private army, essentially has been very vocal. he's had a very big prorrorn— been very vocal. he's had a very big platform during— been very vocal. he's had a very big platform during this- rrz;”«r f he's had a very big platform during this war. his big platform during this war. urn men— big platform during this war. his men have— big platform during this war. his men have been- big platform during this war. his men have been doing a lot of fighting down in bakhmut. they've been very effective,

battled, hardened, professional fighters. now in terms of his popularity in russia, he isn't really he doesn't really have much support amongst the russian people. he's basically seen as someone who rose to wealth and rose to prominence through this war. so what people are really making the distinction between is whether this is a problem between prigozhin and putin or prigozhin and somebody else. of course , prigozhin has mentioned course, prigozhin has mentioned that valery gerasimov, which is the chief of the general staff of the russian army, and sergey shoygu, the minister of defence for russia, have ordered an attack to destroy his men. now this isn't about prigozhin and putin at all. prigozhin has put out putin at all. prigozhin has put our videos— putin at all. prigozhin has put our videos or— putin at all. prigozhin has put out videos of his— putin at all. prigozhin has put out videos of his men- “ prigozhin has put out videos of his men saying rney— out videos of his men saying rney ore— out videos of his men saying rney royor— out videos of his men saying they are loyal to— out videos of his men saying they are loyal to the president. they— they are loyal to the president. rney puer— they are loyal to the president. rney just unpu— they are loyal to the president. they just simply want- they are loyal to the president. they just simply want truth. they just simply want truth. they want supplies. they want everything that the russian army is not giving them. so it really comes from that fall out between prigozhin his men and the russian military. of course, there's no real conversation in in russia going on about whether

prigozhin is going replace prigozhin is going to replace putin, whether he's going to be a better leader. and the fallout between that. but, of course, putin reacted and said putin has reacted and said that this is internal treason and has charged prigozhin with such a charged prigozhin with such a charge a crime. and charge, with such a crime. and that to 20 years in jail, that leads to 20 years in jail, as you see there. prigozhin addressing people . this isn't addressing people. this isn't really something that garners a lot of reporter support for him. he's not really held in any great stead by by the russian people . they don't have a great people. they don't have a great rapport with him. but also they don't have a great rapport with sergey shoygu. they haven't really respected his role in this, this conflict and anything that he's really done in the war in ukraine. the same with gerasimov. they are really silent partners in this war. but it really does come down to the fact that prigozhin has has fell out these very high out with these these very high up in the russian up commanders in the russian army. is definitely army. it is definitely a conflict between them, but it really isn't anything where there's a conversation going on between prigozhin and putin and whether putin is going to be

ousted. however, there has been that from the that pushback from the president. it very serious president. so it is very serious and it is internal treason. as vladimir said. and it is internal treason. as vladimir said . and it vladimir putin has said. and it is that has sent is something that has sent shockwaves through russia and the russian people. of course, as we've seen, moscow is on something of a lockdown, counter—terrorist, um, regime has announced that it won't has been announced that it won't be a working day on monday. there are places being shut down, museums, the down, parks, museums, the tretyakov gallery, i mean, it's a sunny day on a saturday a hot, sunny day on a saturday in capital. there's going to in the capital. there's going to be and thousands be thousands and thousands of people to be sent people that are going to be sent home have been that home and have been told that they into the city of they can't go into the city of been not gather in big been told not to gather in big groups course, these are groups of course, these are precautionary measures . as we've precautionary measures. as we've seen, there has been attacks on russia. has been drone russia. there has been drone attacks kremlin. there's attacks on the kremlin. there's been the murders or the assassination actions of military bloggers . vladlen military bloggers. vladlen tatarsky was one in saint petersburg. and of course, danna petersburg. and of course, darina daria dugina, the daughter of dugin, who is the putin's brain, of course, as he's known . so there have been he's known. so there have been attacks on russian influential figures . there have been attacks

figures. there have been attacks on russian soil and russian territory. that's why we're seeing the russian national guard guarding places like the ministry defence . but in ministry of defence. but in terms of whether this this coup, whether you want to call it a coup armed insurrection, coup or this armed insurrection, as being called russia, as it's being called in russia, whether gain any steam whether that will gain any steam and gain any support , it's and gain any support, it's looking like it's not really going to work really down to the fact that wagner doesn't have that many men and it doesn't have that much support amongst the russian people. it's really going to lead possibly quite possibly to nowhere . and possibly to nowhere. and with prigozhin deposed . and prigozhin being deposed. and then we will see. then after that, we will see. but in terms of leadership of the russian federation, it isn't really a question of putin being ousted or replaced by prigozhin danny very danny armstrong, thank you very much. talk to you. thank much. good to talk to you. thank you— much. good to talk to you. thank you eo— much. good to talk to you. thank you so muon— much. good to talk to you. thank you so much.-let's- rt“ good to talk to you. thank you so much. let's cross you so much. right. let's cross rue— you so much. right. let's cross uve ro— you so much. right. let's cross live to moscow— you so much. right. let's cross live to moscow now where we're joined — live to moscow now where we're joined by— live to moscow now where we're joined by journalist joined by russian journalist alexei—re- joined by russian journalist alexei—re inl joined by russian journalisti alexei—is in red alexei sevilla, who is in red square— alexei sevilla, who is in red spuore .— alexei sevilla, who is in red square . alexi,— alexei sevilla, who is in red square . alexi, so- alexei sevilla, who is in red square . alexi, so it's been square. alexi, so it's been reported— square. alexi, so it's been reporreu py— square. alexi, so it's been reported by some eastern european— reported by some eastern european outlets that a eonnnoenr— european outlets that a contingent from the wagner group union— contingent from the wagner group unron noe— contingent from the wagner group which has reached— contingent from the wagner group which has reached the moscow

region— which has reached the moscow region .— which has reached the moscow region . unor— which has reached the moscow region . what is— which has reached the moscow region . what is the latest ? region. what is the latest? rnere— region. what is the latest? rnere nove— region. what is the latest? there have been no confirmation on rne— there have been no confirmation on rnre eo— there have been no confirmation on rnre so for— there have been no confirmation on this so far from _ there have been no confirmation on this so far from neither the kremlin— on this so far from neither the kremlin no— on this so far from neither the kremlin nor the— on this so far from neither the kremlin nor the ministry of defence— kremlin nor the ministry of defence .— kremlin nor the ministry of defence , and— kremlin nor the ministry of defence , and it— kremlin nor the ministry of defence , and it just seems defence, and it just seems reonnreouy— defence, and it just seems technically impossible to cover euon— technically impossible to cover euon o— technically impossible to cover such a distance— technically impossible to cover such a distance from rostov on non— such a distance from rostov on non ro— such a distance from rostov on non ro noeeou— such a distance from rostov on don to moscow, which is 1100km . don to moscow, which is 1100km. for don to moscow, which is 1100km. ror ranke— don to moscow, which is 1100km. ror ronke onu— don to moscow, which is 1100km. for tanks and for— don to moscow, which is 1100km. for tanks and for through nrurory— for tanks and for through military vehicles with troops. rus— military vehicles with troops. no pun— military vehicles with troops. it's just impossible— military vehicles with troops. it's just impossible to- military vehicles with troops. it's just impossible to cover such a long distance in such a short period of time. so we think the situation will be developing over the weekend as the mayor of moscow has already announced, that monday will be a day off and that indeed day off. and he said that indeed the situation is very serious. so far. we can see there is no panic in the russian capital. i'm the heart of moscow. i'm here in the heart of moscow. the square is closed, which the red square is closed, which is an unusual occasion, even is not an unusual occasion, even for any other day on the outskirts of moscow. there is a lot of russian troops they are constructing. they are constructing. they are constructing barricades. there is a lot of law enforcement in the city, some roads leading to

the city, some roads leading to the capital have been blocked so far because, yes, indeed, we are waiting for the wagner troops to arrive. now, any moment. but i don't think it's i think it's premature to say that they are already knocking at the capitals door. so. so are you in lockdown rnene— door. so. so are you in lockdown then? because _ door. so. so are you in lockdown then? because i— door. so. so are you in lockdown then? because i know— : so. so are you in lockdown then? because i know you said erreere— then? because i know you said some streets and— then? because i know you said some streets and there's people none— some streets and there's people doing searches— some streets and there's people doing searches and the roads are blocked.— doing searches and the roads are blocked. nur— doing searches and the roads are blocked. but is— doing searches and the roads are blocked. but is it— doing searches and the roads are blocked. but is it like is it a torn— blocked. but is it like is it a form or— blocked. but is it like is it a form of lockdown yet at all in moscow— form of lockdown yet at all in moscow .— form of lockdown yet at all in moscow , rne— form of lockdown yet at all in moscow , the fsb,— form of lockdown yet at all in moscow , the fsb, russian secret moscow, the fsb, russian secret service— moscow, the fsb, russian secret senree .— moscow, the fsb, russian secret senree , noe— moscow, the fsb, russian secret service , has announced that service, has announced that rnere— service, has announced that rnere wru— service, has announced that there will possibly be a curfew. so there will possibly be a curfew. so oner— there will possibly be a curfew. so error e— there will possibly be a curfew. so after a certain— there will possibly be a curfew. so after a certain hour,- there will possibly be a curfew. so after a certain hour, no- there will possibly be a curfew. so after a certain hour, no, no, no, no movements in the city will be allowed and indeed, as there is already a lot of law enforcement and people are having their documents checked. so everyone is obviously on guard for government administrative buildings are also like they've doubled their their defences. they are going in the mode , but so far in in the mode, but so far in moscow there is no panic. there is a for sure this feeling of

tense anticipation . but so far tense anticipation. but so far moscow is holding fine. do you think this is going to go on for a few days? do you think ? we a few days? do you think? we don't know when or if and how the situation will be resolved ? the situation will be resolved? there are different scenarios. some people go as far as saying that there might be the first day of the russian civil war and the president , day of the russian civil war and the president, vladimir putin, himself went as far as to compare the situation with what russia went through in 1970 and with the bolshevik revolution. so in fact, the situation is very serious and no one knows how and if it will end. wagner groups are, for sure, outnumbered , but arguably they outnumbered, but arguably they stay probably one of the mightiest military forces in the country currently, as they have a lot of combat experience in the battle on ground in ukraine. and wagner himself. he the shepherd the wagner group, mr prigozhin has been accused of stabbing russian troops in the back. the russian troops, the russian army who are fighting in

the in ukraine, because the trenches in ukraine, because as now ukrainian counter offensive is developing and indeed a lot of attention is drawn away from the frontlines to the situation inside the country. something that just yesterday he told me, i would say it's absurd. it couldn't happen. a lot of people are in shock right now, but that's what we are living through right now. well, alexei, thank you very muon— well, alexei, thank you very nuon for— well, alexei, thank you very much for talking to us. of course, we appreciate the eeuerver — course, we appreciate the. exclusive - provided exclusive that he's provided for us exclusive that he's provided for ue-en— exclusive that he's provided for ue-en newe— exclusive that he's provided for us-gb news live- exclusive that he's provided for us gb news live in red us here at gb news live in red square.— us here at gb news live in red square. rnonk— us here at gb news live in red square. thank you— us here at gb news live in red square. thank you much. that square. thank you so much. that of square. thank you so much. that or-re— square. thank you so much. that or-re rne— square. thank you so much. that of-is the conflict- of course, is the conflict rnor-e— of course, is the conflict that's potentially approaching the that's potentially approaching rne—a— that's potentially approaching the a potentially the red square. a potentially opprooenrne— the red square. a potentially approaching moscow . do you the red square. a potentially approaching moscow. do you think rney-u— approaching moscow. do you think rney-u nake— approaching moscow. do you think they'll make it?— approaching moscow. do you think they'll make it? are _ approaching moscow. do you think they'll make it? are they that close?— they'll make it? are they that close? rue— they'll make it? are they that close? we don't— they'll make it? are they that close? we don't know. it sounds pp..— close? we don't know. it sounds like-ore— close? we don't know. it sounds like-ore o— close? we don't know. it sounds like-ore o long— close? we don't know. it sounds like-are a long way- close? we don't know. it sounds like are a long way away. like there are a long way away. nur— like there are a long way away. our of— like there are a long way away. but of course,— like there are a long way away. but of course, this— like there are a long way away. but of course, this does go on a erory— but of course, this does go on a soy rnor— but of course, this does go on a erory run our— but of course, this does go on a story that will be— but of course, this does go on a story that will be unfolding. joining— story that will be unfolding. rornrno-nou— story that will be unfolding. joining-now is- story that will be unfolding. joining now is my panel in joining me now is my panel in wru— joining me now is my panel in your eeteee.— joining me now is my panel in will geddes. fabulous also will geddes. fabulous a&e also unper— will geddes. fabulous a&e also niger—rnen- will geddes. fabulous a&e also nigel then staying nigel nelson, but then staying nrrn— nigel nelson, but then staying nrrn-roger— nigel nelson, but then staying with roger dewalt as with me, dr. roger dewalt as neu— with me, dr. roger dewalt as wen—very- with me, dr. roger dewalt as well._very much. with me, dr. roger dewalt asi well._very much for well. thank you very much for eroyrno— well. thank you very much for staying—going. well. thank you very much for staying—going to| staying with me. i'm going to come _you, nigel.i come straight to you, nigel. rrrer— come straight to you, nigel. run or— come straight to you, nigel. first of all,— come straight to you, nigel. first of all, with— come straight to you, nigel. first of all, with this. so it eouneo— first of all, with this. so it sounds as though it does feel pp..— sounds as though it does feel like-o— sounds as though it does feel uke-o pn— sounds as though it does feel like-a bit more- sounds as though it does feel like a bit more serious,

like it's a bit more serious, rnouen. — like it's a bit more serious, rnouon. ven— like it's a bit more serious, though. yes. and- like it's a bit more serious, though. t/rzn; ' “r: though. yes. and i think obviously is fast obviously it is fast moving. i think the idea that they are closing on monday shows closing down on monday shows that are preparing for some that they are preparing for some fighting. there the question obviously, is that when the zara aleena group gets there, will the russian army turn on them? and actually start start firing at them ? but there might be at them? but there might be friends. they might have mates. rnere— friends. they might have mates. rnere nonr— friends. they might have mates. there might they? _ : they might have mates. there might they? e there might they? it's just incredible,— there might they? it's just incredible, isn't it? because pro chosin was went from a petty thief. now to putin's biggest threat is quite unbelievable and apparently used to serve him sausages and hot dogs and stuff and was his ally. it is quite incredible . but you know, incredible. but you know, sources are telling me, is there a possibility that the west could actually funded this because there was no end to the ukraine war? there was never going to they couldn't see an ending to it? well, it could be. you know, we've been known to do rne— you know, we've been known to do rnre eon— you know, we've been known to do rnre eon or— you know, we've been known to do this sort of thing,— you know, we've been known to do this sort of thing, haven't we, in rerne— this sort of thing, haven't we, in rerne on— this sort of thing, haven't we, in terms of, you— this sort of thing, haven't we, in terms of, you know, putting oernne— in terms of, you know, putting oernno our— in terms of, you know, putting getting our people in to look oner— getting our people in to look one u.— getting our people in to look after it. like,— getting our people in to look after it. like, example, in after it. like, for example, in arononreron— after it. like, for example, in afghanistan, that was something after it. like, for example, in afghyoutan, that was something after it. like, for example, in afghyou alluded was something after it. like, for example, in afghyou alluded toas something after it. like, for example, in afghyou alluded to earlier. thing that you alluded to earlier. veon. —

that you alluded to earlier. veon. _al that you alluded to earlier.- yeah. _a number yeah. yes. i've heard a number of people say me this is of people say to me that this is a possibly funded by the a very possibly funded by the west. and i suppose that would be clever thing. be a fairly clever thing. how else are we going to end the ukraine war? how else are we going to putin in whatever, going to put putin in whatever, you know, area he you know, contained area so he can't anything too crazy? how can't do anything too crazy? how else we that? it does. else would we do that? it does. it make sense. it would be it does make sense. it would be very dangerous,— it does make sense. it would be very dangerous, though- it does make sense. it would be very dangerous, though .- e : it would be very dangerous, though . it's very dangerous, though. it's very— very dangerous, though. it's very dangerous. but but, you know, i think it i think i think i think nigel, it's a game changen i think nigel, it's a game changer. last weekend, last changer. only last weekend, last friday last saturday, was friday and last saturday, i was on a an american news channel with a with a vast audience. i feel a bit embarrassed now saying them that saying reassuring them that there's really no nuclear threat because once sanctions were heaped upon sanctions, upon sanctions , as putin was in sanctions, as putin was in a very bad place, he ran to china, they bailed him out and he's in hock to them and they could bankrupt him in a second. and now china, as you well know, has been buying up everything. everyone for the united states, europe, latin america, asia and

if they haven't bought it, they've kind of infiltrated it. they've built a giant infrastructure. they don't want a world war or a nuclear event to threaten that massive infrastructure they've built . so infrastructure they've built. so they will make putin toe the line. but prozone gets in and he has any kind of power at all. is he capable of starting to use at least tactical nuclear weapons or something else? all bets are off. i find it very scary indeed. what would you think if he indeed. what would you think if ne ooee— indeed. what would you think if ne uoee eer— indeed. what would you think if he does get hold— indeed. what would you think if he does get hold of— 3: what would you think if he does get hold of putin? i vvnor— he does get hold of putin? i mean, what would he actually do to mean, what would he actually do ro nine— mean, what would he actually do to him? because— mean, what would he actually do to him? because the people of russia— to him? because the people of russia eeem— to him? because the people of russia seem to— to him? because the people of russia seem to be— to him? because the people of russia seem to be brainwashed. noun— russia seem to be brainwashed. noun py— russia seem to be brainwashed. gaslit by putin. _ russia seem to be brainwashed. gaslit by putin. they they you know,— gaslit by putin. they they you know, rr-e— gaslit by putin. they they you know, no eo— gaslit by putin. they they you know, it's so different to our readers— know, it's so different to our leaders here _ know, it's so different to our leaders here in— know, it's so different to our leaders here in the west. you know,— leaders here in the west. you know, rn— leaders here in the west. you know, in russia,— leaders here in the west. you know, in russia, they seem to be going— know, in russia, they seem to be oornelnre— know, in russia, they seem to be oornolnre every— know, in russia, they seem to be going his every word. �*vvr�*rzge going on his every word. well, yure— going on his every word. well, yure being— going on his every word. well, you're being generous to you're being very generous to some leaders in west. some of our leaders in the west. i think starting this i think starting with this country, they their solution to the energy crisis and everything else is nothing other than gaslighting as far as i'm concerned. but i mean, the concerned. but yes, i mean, the russian i'm to russian people, i'm led to believe , i've have been told

believe, i've have been told that russia has been invaded by nato and they are the victims and we are the aggressors. no mention of the ukraine war. the ukraine war is just a front on which the defence of mother russia is being fought. which the defence of mother russia is being fought . what's russia is being fought. what's going to happen to this? well perezhogin will he perpetuate that or tell them they've been lied to? that's a wonderful question. wonderful question. lizzie. who knows what strat erg he'll play if he gets control of the russian public. yeah, i. i still seems to— the russian public. yeah, i. i still seems to be— the russian public. yeah, i. i still seems to be pretty- still seems to be pretty unlikely— still seems to be pretty unlikely that- still seems to be pretty unlikely that he would be able to unlikely that he would be able ro reproce— unlikely that he would be able to replace putin.— unlikely that he would be able to replace putin. and we're runne— to replace putin. and we're talking about— to replace putin. and we're talking about a— to replace putin. and we're talking about a guy with with not talking about a guy with with nor veer— talking about a guy with with not vast support— talking about a guy with with not vast support amongst the russian— not vast support amongst the russian people.— not vast support amongst the russian people. a bloke with moo— russian people. a bloke with zoooo or— russian people. a bloke with 25,000 at most— russian people. a bloke with 25,000 at most at mercer kyrees penne— 25,000 at most at mercer kyrees penrnu nin— 25,000 at most at mercer kyrees behind him, the— 25,000 at most at mercer kyrees behind him, the idea that he could— behind him, the idea that he could rake— behind him, the idea that he could take over— behind him, the idea that he could take over russia , i would could take over russia, i would nove— could take over russia, i would nove rnouenr— could take over russia, i would have thought things like the none— have thought things like the boris yeltsin— have thought things like the boris yeltsin coup, the gorbachev _ boris yeltsin coup, the gorbachev coup would potentially be gorbachev coup would potentially pe more— gorbachev coup would potentially be more serious.— gorbachev coup would potentially be more serious. and they didn't ro— be more serious. and they didn't come to anything— be more serious. and they didn't come to anything but potentially more-non— come to anything but potentially more _than this- come to anything but potentially more _than this one- come to anything but potentially more than this one seems more serious than this one seems to more serious than this one seems o to — more serious than this one seems o to leer— more serious than this one seems ro peloer n. — more serious than this one seems ro peloer n. r— more serious than this one seems to be.iget it. i hear— more serious than this one seems to be. get it. to be. i get it. i hear you. but as you were speaking, it went through my tiny brain that every

dictator i can think of started out with less than that . well, out with less than that. well, that's the thing is— out with less than that. well, that's the thing is that's- “3“ well, that's the thing is that's the way— that's the thing is that's the way u— that's the thing is that's the way rr ooee. — that's the thing is that's the way it goes. but— that's the thing is that's the way it goes. but listen, we'll eroy— way it goes. but listen, we'll eroy runeu— way it goes. but listen, we'll stay tuned and— way it goes. but listen, we'll stay tuned and we'll keep you informed— stay tuned and we'll keep you informed on— stay tuned and we'll keep you informed on that— stay tuned and we'll keep you informed on that story throughout— informed on that story throughout the day. but on roooy-e— throughout the day. but on today's show,— throughout the day. but on today's show, i've been asking, is today's show, i've been asking, to n— today's show, i've been asking, to n une— today's show, i've been asking, is it time-leave— today's show, i've been asking, is it time leave the titanic is it time to leave the titanic in is it time to leave the titanic rn-aoeorurno- is it time to leave the titanic in _according to - is it time to leave the titanic. in _according to ltwitter in peace? according to a twitter pop.— in peace? according to a twitter porn—soy— in peace? according to a twitter porn—soy yee.- in peace? according to a twitter porn—soy yee. onlyl poll, 87% of you say yes. only rero— poll, 87% of you say yes. only rere or— poll, 87% of you say yes. only rere or you— poll, 87% of you say yes. only rere or you say— poll, 87% of you say yes. only 13% of you say no. _ poll, 87% of you say yes. only 13% of you say no. i'm going to say— 13% of you say no. i'm going to soy rnonk— 13% of you say no. i'm going to soy rnonk you— 13% of you say no. i'm going to say thank you so— 13% of you say no. i'm going to say thank you so much to my penet— say thank you so much to my panel, broadcaster and columnist unre— panel, broadcaster and columnist uzzre cunoy.— panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. thank— panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. thank you very muon— lizzie cundy. thank you very nuen—you. i lizzie cundy. thank you veryi nuen—you. ann much, lizzie. thank you. and preo— much, lizzie. thank you. and also on— much, lizzie. thank you. and also gb-senior- much, lizzie. thank you. and also gb senior political also gb news senior political commentator— also gb news senior political. commentator—and commentator nigel nelson, and neo— commentator nigel nelson, and also or.— commentator nigel nelson, and also dr. roger— commentator nigel nelson, and also dr. roger duvall for joining— also dr. roger duvall for joining rne— also dr. roger duvall for joining me. thank you very much. and— joining me. thank you very much. and r— joining me. thank you very much. and r wru— joining me. thank you very much. and r out be— joining me. thank you very much. and i will be tapping you for roads— and i will be tapping you for loads-because-i. and i will be tapping you for. loads-because-i think loads more because he's i think nee—onu- loads more because he's i think nee—one very,- loads more because he's i think| he's—and very, very he's very learned and very, very good— he's very learned and very, very goon-rnonk— he's very learned and very, very goon-rnonk you. - he's very learned and very, very good thank you. but as good as me. thank you. but as a very— good as me. thank you. but as a very nuee— good as me. thank you. but as a very huge rnonk— good as me. thank you. but as a very huge thank you to you at none— very huge thank you to you at none for— very huge thank you to you at none for your— very huge thank you to you at home for your company. listen, i'll home for your company. listen, r-u-ronorrov— home for your company. listen, i'll-tomorrow at- home for your company. listen, i'll tomorrow at three i'll be back tomorrow at three vvrrn— i'll be back tomorrow at three vrrn—nonny- i'll be back tomorrow at three| with—danny kelly with the fabulous danny kelly onu— with the fabulous danny kelly and christine— with the fabulous danny kelly and christine but i'll and christine hamilton, but i'll reeve— and christine hamilton, but i'll leave you— and christine hamilton, but i'll leave you with— and christine hamilton, but i'll leave you with the weather. enjoy— leave you with the weather. enjoy neuo — leave you with the weather. enjoy hello there. 33. leave you with the weather. enjoy hello there. «rzg g: enjoy hello there. very good evening.— enjoy hello there. very good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. here is your latest gb news weather provided by the weather forecast provided by the met office . we have a rather met office. we have a rather humid and muggy night ahead of us. we've got low pressure to

the north—west of the uk, high pressure to the south—east. but between that we feeding in between that we are feeding in some hot and humid some really quite hot and humid conditions in that southwesterly airflow . so really going to feel airflow. so really going to feel quite sticky for a lot of us as we head throughout the night. rather uncomfortable for sleeping most will stay sleeping. most of us will stay dry there with some clear intervals. outer hebrides intervals. the outer hebrides just getting a glancing blow of some heavy and some perhaps heavy showers and far of northern ireland, far west of northern ireland, seeing a little rain towards dawn morning. look dawn on sunday morning. but look at temperatures holding up at those temperatures holding up around 18 celsius in a lot of towns and really quite towns and cities. really quite a warm start to sunday morning . a warm start to sunday morning. a bright one for england, wales and scotland . but we're going to and scotland. but we're going to watch rain pushes in watch as this rain pushes in from west, providing some from the west, providing some heavy for northern heavy outbreaks for northern ireland. and then eventually into western scotland, into parts of western scotland, northern england northern northern england and northern wales well. chances of some wales as well. chances of some thunderstorms developing along this as of it for this as well as ahead of it for eastern scotland eastern england and scotland could provide some torrential downpours of rain and hail ahead of that in the south staying dnen of that in the south staying drier. but temperatures still up into the 30 degrees of celsius. really quite a hot, sticky day

here for that rain then clears its way off through sunday evening. take little bit evening. we'll take a little bit of time before eventually leaving parts of the northern isles our isles behind that, though, our winds changing to more of winds start changing to more of a westerly direction and that's going feed in slightly going to feed in some slightly fresher so temperatures fresher air. so temperatures a little bit lower come sunday night. and more comfortable for sleeping around 12 to 14 c is the new working week then starts off on a bright and sunny note for many of us into the afternoon, we'll start to see some showers bubbling up, primarily across the northern half of the uk, parts of southern wales into central southern wales into central southern will largely southern england will largely stay with lot of sunshine stay dry with a lot of sunshine in between. there'll some in between. there'll be some longer rain as we head longer spells of rain as we head towards middle of the towards the middle part of the week, but still some sunshine in between those and temperatures around .

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