use use of under pressure, has the use of nuclear weapons become more or less likely? and i wonder , could less likely? and i wonder, could this all be a ploy to redeploy wagner group forces into belarus 7 wagner group forces into belarus ? then the cost of housing, asylum seekers in hotels and other accommodation is on course to reach a staggering £11 billion a year. government analysis reveals. if the illegal migration bill fails to reduce numbers, we could be spending almost £30 million a day housing asylum seekers. and coming up at the end of the hour, rishi's green side bites back. believe it or not, despite the cost of living soaring, the government is poised to sneak £170 of net zero charges onto our energy bills. is it time to just scrap the lot? and as always, please do get in touch. send us your thoughts on gb views at gb news. com or tweet me at gb news. but before all of that, let's get the news headlines with tatiana

. emily thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest— good afternoon. this is the latest from — good afternoon. this is the latest from the _ g: " this is the latest from the newsroom. russia-s— latest from the newsroom. russia's president says he has every— russia's president says he has every confidence— russia's president says he has every confidence in his troops who— every confidence in his troops who are— every confidence in his troops who are on the— every confidence in his troops who are on the front line in their— who are on the front line in their continued— who are on the front line in their continued war in ukraine. it's their continued war in ukraine. n-s after— their continued war in ukraine. n-s after the— their continued war in ukraine. it's after the leader of the wagner— it's after the leader of the wagner mercenary group is now to head— wagner mercenary group is now to head to— wagner mercenary group is now to head to belarus.— wagner mercenary group is now to head to belarus. last night, he pulled— head to belarus. last night, he puued ms— head to belarus. last night, he pulled his troops— head to belarus. last night, he pulled his troops out to avoid bloodshed— pulled his troops out to avoid bloodshed as— pulled his troops out to avoid bloodshed as they headed for moscow.— bloodshed as they headed for moscow. 0n— bloodshed as they headed for moscow. on what's being described— moscow. on what's being described attempted coup moscow. on what's being- described-attempted coup . described as an attempted coup. they— described as an attempted coup. mew wee— described as an attempted coup. they ew— described as an attempted coup. they were on their— described as an attempted coup. they were on their way to remove mweeiew— they were on their way to removei mweeiew—vewgeww russian commanders that yevgeny prigozhin— russian commanders that yevgeny prigozhin blames— russian commanders that yevgeny prigozhin blames for mishandling the prigozhin blames for mishandling we we— prigozhin blames for mishandling we m— prigozhin blames for mishandling the war in ukraine. _ prigozhin blames for mishandling the war in ukraine. ukrainian mp mexei— the war in ukraine. ukrainian mp alexei goncharenko believes ewa-e— alexei goncharenko believes ewa-ewme— alexei goncharenko believes putin's time is— alexei goncharenko believes putin's time is running out. oefiwwew— putin's time is running out. definitely for— putin's time is running out. definitely for this— putin's time is running out. definitely for this mutiny- putin's time is running out. definitely for this mutiny would continue several days longer batus several weeks longer . that batus several weeks longer. that will be the end of russian army in ukraine. it was too quick to exploit it for our army . it was exploit it for our army. it was just in 24 hours. so no, i don't think that now it will in short term will change something on the battlefield. but on the middle term, it showed how weak is russia and i'm even more sure

today in ukrainian victory than before the prime minister has set out what he's calling the biggest workforce training expansion of the nhs. writing in the sunday— expansion of the nhs. writing in the sunday times,— expansion of the nhs. writing in the sunday times, mr— m3" m writing in the sunday times, mr sunak tmite“ \e writing in the sunday times, mr sunak said his the sunday times, mr sunak said me mws— the sunday times, mr sunak said me mms meg— the sunday times, mr sunak said his nhs long term— the sunday times, mr sunak said his nhs long term workforce plan will his nhs long term workforce plan wm mm— his nhs long term workforce plan wm mm ee— his nhs long term workforce plan will aim to train,— his nhs long term workforce plan will aim to train, retain and em— will aim to train, retain and eeeemf mee— will aim to train, retain and reform the uk's_ will aim to train, retain and reform the uk's experienced nhs swee— reform the uk's experienced nhs staff .— reform the uk's experienced nhs staff . me— reform the uk's experienced nhs staff . me sewe— reform the uk's experienced nhs staff . he says as— reform the uk's experienced nhs staff . he says as a— reform the uk's experienced nhs staff . he says as a country we staff. he says as a country we rew— staff. he says as a country we rely en— staff. he says as a country we rely on attracting— staff. he says as a country we rely on attracting talented people— rely on attracting talented peepee mew — rely on attracting talented people from overseas rather than eeeewmme— people from overseas rather than eeeewmme m— people from overseas rather than recruiting at home.— people from overseas rather than recruiting at home. mr sunak eeeeewee— recruiting at home. mr sunak described the— recruiting at home. mr sunak described the 15— recruiting at home. mr sunak described the 15 year plan as we— described the 15 year plan as the cornerstone _ described the 15 year plan as the cornerstone of his government's vision for a better meemm— government's vision for a better meemm ewe— government's vision for a better health care system— government's vision for a better health care system . the health care system. the chancellor— health care system. the chancellor says raising interest ewes— chancellor says raising interest rates ee— chancellor says raising interest rates is we— chancellor says raising interest rates is one of— chancellor says raising interest rates is one of the— chancellor says raising interest rates is one of the most effective— rates is one of the most effective methods to kerb mmemem. — effective methods to kerb inflation. this— effective methods to kerb inflation. this week, rates were mwee— inflation. this week, rates were mwee up— inflation. this week, rates were mwee up ee— inflation. this week, rates were mwee up we sw— inflation. this week, rates were hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the mm— hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the mm mee— hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the mm m— hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in a— hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in a row— hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in a row and the emeepeee— 13th rise in a row and the sharpest increase since february.— sharpest increase since february. the- sharpest increase since february. the move means mewgege— february. the move means mortgage holders are preparing for mortgage holders are preparing fee e— mortgage holders are preparing fee e big— mortgage holders are preparing fee e mg jump— mortgage holders are preparing fee e mg jump m— mortgage holders are preparing for a big jump in their monthly eepewmeme. — for a big jump in their monthly repayments. it's— for a big jump in their monthly repayments. it's writing in the mm— repayments. it's writing in the mm en— repayments. it's writing in the mail on sunday.— repayments. it's writing in the mail on sunday. jeremy hunt is urging— mail on sunday. jeremy hunt is wegeeeg meee— mail on sunday. jeremy hunt is urging those struggling to be

pemem— urging those struggling to be pemem-me— urging those struggling to be patient the painful patient with the painful measures. chief patient with the painful measures . chief secretary to the measures. chief secretary to the weeeww— measures. chief secretary to the weeeww john— measures. chief secretary to the treasury john glenn told gb news the chancellor— treasury john glenn told gb news the chancellor is— treasury john glenn told gb news the chancellor is committed to ewppemme— the chancellor is committed to ewppemme mee— the chancellor is committed to supporting the bank england . supporting the bank of england. as supporting the bank of england. me you— supporting the bank of england. me you knew.— supporting the bank of england. as you know, the— supporting the bank of england. as you know, the bank- supporting the bank of england. as you know, the bank of- supporting the bank of england. as you know, the bank of england is independent of government. we work closely with them, but they make those decisions and they've obviously increased our rates by half a% last week . i'm not here half a% last week. i'm not here to commentate. i'm to here work closely the bank england closely with the bank of england . us to be . people don't want us to be squabbling amongst ourselves. what we should be doing is having a committed and united plan to deal with high inflation in our economy . that is what in our economy. that is what we're doing in government and thatis we're doing in government and that is what the governor of the bank of england is doing with the interest rate decisions, human remains have been found where british actor julian sands where british actorjulian sands went missing in the area of the san gabriel mountains near los angeles. they've been transported— angeles. they've been transported to - ' g they've been transported to the local coroner's office pending peemwe— coroner's office pending positive identification . it's positive identification. it's expected— positive identification. it's expected that— positive identification. it's expected that should be eempeeeee— expected that should be completed by next week. the 65 year— completed by next week. the 65 weee me— completed by next week. the 65 year old failed— completed by next week. the 65 year old failed to— completed by next week. the 65

year old failed to return from a mee— year old failed to return from a me me— year old failed to return from a me me me— year old failed to return from a hike in the mount— year old failed to return from a hike in the mount baldy area of the hike in the mount baldy area of me eewemewe— hike in the mount baldy area of the southern californian mountains— the southern californian mountains ._ the southern californian mountains . on the 13th of mountains. on the 13th of january- — mountains. on the 13th of january- me— mountains. on the 13th of january. all state secondary eememe— january. all state secondary eememe m— january. all state secondary schools in england are now equipped— schools in england are now equipped with— schools in england are now equipped with a defibrillator. me— equipped with a defibrillator. the government says secondary eememe— the government says secondary schools received _ the government says secondary schools received priority eeeewee— schools received priority because the _ schools received priority because the risk of cardiac eweee— because the risk of cardiac arrest increases— because the risk of cardiac arrest increases with age . the arrest increases with age. the eepewmem— arrest increases with age. the department for— arrest increases with age. the department for health says the device— department for health says the device mm— department for health says the device will also— department for health says the device will also be rolled out in device will also be rolled out m primary— device will also be rolled out m primary ene— device will also be rolled out in primary and special schools ewe— in primary and special schools we ee— in primary and special schools we we be— in primary and special schools due to be completed by the end of me— due to be completed by the end of the summer. _ due to be completed by the end of the summer. term and finally, the of the summer. term and finally, me mmeeee— of the summer. term and finally, the princess of— of the summer. term and finally, the princess of wales teamed up wmm— the princess of wales teamed up with eemme— the princess of wales teamed up with tennis champion roger eeeeeee— with tennis champion roger eeeeeee ee— with tennis champion roger federer to celebrate wimbledon. mam— federer to celebrate wimbledon. mam ewe— federer to celebrate wimbledon. mam eewe ene— federer to celebrate wimbledon. ball boys and girls . kate joined ball boys and girls. kate joined the ball boys and girls. kate joined me eeem— ball boys and girls. kate joined me eegm mee— ball boys and girls. kate joined the eight time wimbledon ememmem— the eight time wimbledon champion and— the eight time wimbledon champion and watched a training wmeee— champion and watched a training session where youngsters were hoping— session where youngsters were hoping m— session where youngsters were hoping to impress selectors and bag hoping to impress selectors and me me— hoping to impress selectors and me ef— hoping to impress selectors and mg of me— hoping to impress selectors and bag one of the 250 spots for the tournament— bag one of the 250 spots for the tournament that— bag one of the 250 spots for the tournament that starts next week.— tournament that starts next week. me— tournament that starts next week. the princess, who is the ewe-e— week. the princess, who is the ewe peeeew— week. the princess, who is the club's patron, has— week. the princess, who is the club's patron, has praised their mm— club's patron, has praised their mm wk,— club's patron, has praised their hard work, describing them as emezmgw— hard work, describing them as amazingly professional . you're amazingly professional. you're mm— amazingly professional. you're mm ee— amazingly professional. you're with gb news.— amazingly professional. you're with gb news. we'll bring you more news as it— with gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's more news as it happens. now m-e mew— more news as it happens. now m-e mew ee—

more news as it happens. now m-e mew m .— it's back to. emily meek— it's back to. emily thank you,- it's back to. emily thank you, tatiana . it's back to. emily- thank you, tatiana . so the it's back to. emily— thank you, tatiana . so the head thank you, tatiana. so the head of thank you, tatiana. so the head m me— thank you, tatiana. so the head of the wagner group yevgeny prigozhin , is to leave russia prigozhin, is to leave russia for belarus after calling off his rebellion. the kremlin says that the wagner chief and his troops will not be prosecuted despite being accused of armed mutiny. follows yesterday's mutiny. this follows yesterday's astonishing news that vladimir putin's allies , the putin's former allies, the wagner group, had wagner mercenary group, had launched armed insurrection launched an armed insurrection in russia and was marching on moscow. joining me now from the russian embassy in london gb russian embassy in london is gb news chikomba . news reporter theo chikomba. theo, thank very much for theo, thank you very much for being down there by the russian embassy. you bring us the embassy. can you bring us the very latest ? yes. well, the last very latest? yes. well, the last 48 very latest? yes. well, the last we mowe— very latest? yes. well, the last we mewe mee— very latest? yes. well, the last 48 hours has been— mile , yes. well, the last 48 hours has been pretty astonishing— 48 hours has been pretty astonishing and busy for the mweeeeeee— astonishing and busy for the russians. we— astonishing and busy for the russians. we saw those pictures weeeeeeew— russians. we saw those pictures weeeeeeew ef— russians. we saw those pictures weeeeeeew of me — russians. we saw those pictures yesterday of the wagner group mope— yesterday of the wagner group troops marching— yesterday of the wagner group troops marching from rostov on dewe— troops marching from rostov on dawn meeeem— troops marching from rostov on dawn meeeem e— troops marching from rostov on dawn neesom, a city in the

eewmem— dawn neesom, a city in the eewmem pew— dawn neesom, a city in the southern part of— dawn neesom, a city in the southern part of russia, heading towere— southern part of russia, heading toward moscow. _ southern part of russia, heading toward moscow. and during the day,— toward moscow. and during the dave we— toward moscow. and during the my; we me— toward moscow. and during the my; we we eee— toward moscow. and during the day, we did see some of those emee— day, we did see some of those other pictures— day, we did see some of those other pictures as— day, we did see some of those other pictures as well of mean— other pictures as well of russian military vehicles in the mmme— russian military vehicles in the mmme ef— russian military vehicles in the middle of the— russian military vehicles in the middle of the city. and of course, internet access was eeemeeee— course, internet access was eeemeeee .— course, internet access was restricted . and— course, internet access was restricted . and to some people restricted. and to some people ene— restricted. and to some people and we— restricted. and to some people and we assumed— restricted. and to some people and we assumed at the time many wmemme— and we assumed at the time many wmemme mee;— and we assumed at the time many watching this, that— and we assumed at the time many watching this, that something emem— watching this, that something emem happen— watching this, that something might happen in the late afternoon— might happen in the late afternoon and— might happen in the late afternoon and into the evening. but afternoon and into the evening. ewe wmm— afternoon and into the evening. but what subsequently happened is but what subsequently happened ee mm— but what subsequently happened ee mm yevgeny— but what subsequently happened is that yevgeny prigozhin, the leader— is that yevgeny prigozhin, the leader ef— is that yevgeny prigozhin, the leader of the _ is that yevgeny prigozhin, the leader of the wagner group, put a message on telegraph saying mm— a message on telegraph saying mm me— a message on telegraph saying that his troops— a message on telegraph saying that his troops will be pulling mew.— that his troops will be pulling mew. mew;— that his troops will be pulling back. now, the— that his troops will be pulling back. now, the deal itself, he mee— back. now, the deal itself, he mm e— back. now, the deal itself, he had a conversation with the eeeeewe— had a conversation with the belarus president, aleksandr , belarus president, aleksandr, ene— belarus president, aleksandr, mm mee— belarus president, aleksandr, mm mee me— belarus president, aleksandr, and also he had— belarus president, aleksandr, and also he had a conversation mm— and also he had a conversation mm me— and also he had a conversation with the kremlin— and also he had a conversation with the kremlin ._ and also he had a conversation with the kremlin . it's not quite with the kremlin. it's not quite meee— with the kremlin. it's not quite meee wmm— with the kremlin. it's not quite clear what the _ with the kremlin. it's not quite clear what the deal is, but we do understand— clear what the deal is, but we do understand that he'll be able to do understand that he'll be able m 90— do understand that he'll be able m 90 m— do understand that he'll be able to go to belarus— do understand that he'll be able to go to belarus and that his meee— to go to belarus and that his meee mm— to go to belarus and that his troops will not— to go to belarus and that his troops will not be punished. now:— troops will not be punished. mew; yevgeny;— troops will not be punished. now, yevgeny, previously has meee— now, yevgeny, previously has been m— now, yevgeny, previously has been m me— now, yevgeny, previously has been at the top— now, yevgeny, previously has been at the top of this organisation- been at the top of this organisation for some years. wmm— organisation for some years. wmm wewm— organisation for some years. what would this— organisation for some years. what would this mean to his meee— what would this mean to his meee m— what would this mean to his image m me— what would this mean to his image if he goes— what would this mean to his image if he goes to belarus?

mew;— image if he goes to belarus? wem; mme— image if he goes to belarus? well, some of— image if he goes to belarus? well, some of his troops go meee— well, some of his troops go meee mm— well, some of his troops go there with him. _ well, some of his troops go there with him. we do understand that there with him. we do understand mm mme— there with him. we do understand mm m— there with him. we do understand that some of them— there with him. we do understand that some of them will be emwme— that some of them will be staying-russia- that some of them will be staying russia to work staying in russia to work meeegeme— staying in russia to work alongside the— staying in russia to work alongside the military. but for meemem— alongside the military. but for president putin,— alongside the military. but for president putin, it's the first mee— president putin, it's the first mee mee— president putin, it's the first time he's been— president putin, it's the first time he's been challenged in me— time he's been challenged in me my;— time he's been challenged in this way, particularly in a prm— this way, particularly in a prm way.— this way, particularly in a public way. what would this mean to public way. what would this mean m me— public way. what would this mean m me-me-e— public way. what would this mean to his-he's been- public way. what would this mean to his-he's been at- public way. what would this mean to his he's been at the to his image? he's been at the mm— to his image? he's been at the helm lpolitics_ to his image? he's been at the helm politics russia for helm of politics in russia for ewe— helm of politics in russia for over two decades. and there are eweemme— over two decades. and there are eweemme m— over two decades. and there are questions of what— over two decades. and there are questions of what this means on meee-e— questions of what this means on russia's invasion— questions of what this means on russia's invasion on ukraine as wem— russia's invasion on ukraine as wem. se— russia's invasion on ukraine as wem. se meeew— russia's invasion on ukraine as well. so plenty to— russia's invasion on ukraine as well. so plenty to see what's going— well. so plenty to see what's going m— well. so plenty to see what's going to happen— well. so plenty to see what's going to happen in the next few mye- — going to happen in the next few mye- me-e— going to happen in the next few ewe. me me— going to happen in the next few days. he's done an— going to happen in the next few days. he's done an interview mm— days. he's done an interview mm eeme— days. he's done an interview with state television, as in meemem— with state television, as in president putin, and he said mm— president putin, and he said mm mee— president putin, and he said that he's still— president putin, and he said that he's still confident that me— that he's still confident that me eewa— that he's still confident that the country are— that he's still confident that the country are able to continue to the country are able to continue m wmm— the country are able to continue m wmm me— the country are able to continue to what he described as a meet- to what he described as a special military operation in meee.— special military operation in ukraine. and— special military operation in ukraine. and we— special military operation in ukraine. and we understand that mee— ukraine. and we understand that me-e meee— ukraine. and we understand that me-e going m— ukraine. and we understand that me-e going m be— ukraine. and we understand that he's going to be joining in with security— he's going to be joining in with security council— he's going to be joining in with security council meetings this eeemme— security council meetings this coming week— security council meetings this coming week .— security council meetings this coming week . and, of course, coming week. and, of course, meem— coming week. and, of course, we've heard from _ coming week. and, of course, we've heard from the uk prime mmteme— we've heard from the uk prime minister rishi _ we've heard from the uk prime minister rishi sunak about this, eewme— minister rishi sunak about this, emmg mm— minister rishi sunak about this, emmg mm mee— minister rishi sunak about this, saying that he's been speaking to saying that he's been speaking m mmee— saying that he's been speaking to allies and— saying that he's been speaking to allies and will— saying that he's been speaking to allies and will continue to memme— to allies and will continue to monitor-situation- to allies and will continue to monitor situation . we also monitor this situation. we also wmeeemm— monitor this situation. we also understand that— monitor this situation. we also understand that g7 foreign emmemee— understand that g7 foreign ministers have— understand that g7 foreign

ministers have been in close conversation, those from germany;— conversation, those from germany, france and the uk as wet.— germany, france and the uk as wet. se— germany, france and the uk as wet. se meeew— germany, france and the uk as well. so plenty of— germany, france and the uk as well. so plenty of developments. but well. so plenty of developments. mm m— well. so plenty of developments. mm et eewee— well. so plenty of developments. but of course, what— well. so plenty of developments. but of course, what does this me— but of course, what does this mean for prigozhin and president mmm— mean for prigozhin and president ewme mm-e— mean for prigozhin and president putin? that's what— mean for prigozhin and president putin? that's what we'll be memm— putin? that's what we'll be memm m— putin? that's what we'll be looking to see— putin? that's what we'll be looking to see over the next few mye— looking to see over the next few eewe mm— looking to see over the next few days and weeks.— looking to see over the next few days and weeks. thank you very meet— days and weeks. thank you very much meeee. — days and weeks. thank you very much indeed. theo— days and weeks. thank you very much indeed. ct“ “ezi;”ezi; much indeed. theo chikomba there gb news national reporter outside the russian embassy in london. so joining me now to discuss this further is former british colonel hamish de british army colonel hamish de bretton—gordon . hamish, thank bretton—gordon. hamish, thank you very much indeed for joining me this afternoon on the show. now i want to ask, there's been a lot of talk from commentary commentators that this is the beginning of the end for putin, that he has been weakened by this mutiny, by the wagner group. is it fair to say that this is the beginning of the end, or is that premature ? end, or is that premature? well, good afternoon. well let's met-e— well, good afternoon. well let's wet-e meee— well, good afternoon. well let's wet-e meee m— well, good afternoon. well let's met-e meee m te— well, good afternoon. well let's let's hope it is very strange . let's hope it is very strange. met— let's hope it is very strange. mee ee— let's hope it is very strange. last 36 hours,— let's hope it is very strange. last 36 hours, you know , i can't last 36 hours, you know, i can't eemewe— last 36 hours, you know, i can't eemewe mm— last 36 hours, you know, i can't believe that it— last 36 hours, you know, i can't believe that it was— last 36 hours, you know, i can't believe that it was premeditate cowe— believe that it was premeditate

cevm. mm— believe that it was premeditate covm. but for— believe that it was premeditate covid. but for the first time, as covid. but for the first time, ee yew-we eem— covid. but for the first time, as you've said in— covid. but for the first time, as you've said in the build up to as you've said in the build up m mie— as you've said in the build up m eme. wee— as you've said in the build up to this, you know,— as you've said in the build up to this, you know, his decision making— to this, you know, his decision making mee— to this, you know, his decision making has come— to this, you know, his decision making has come into question . making has come into question. mee— making has come into question. me-e teen— making has come into question. he's been made— making has come into question. he's been made to— making has come into question. he's been made to look weak . and he's been made to look weak. and i he's been made to look weak. and . mmm— he's been made to look weak. and . mmm mm— he's been made to look weak. and emmm mm te— he's been made to look weak. and i think that is really— i think that is really important,- i think that is really important, not only for the meetm— important, not only for the russian people— important, not only for the russian people who have been fed eeeemmee— russian people who have been fed eeeemeeme mm— russian people who have been fed propaganda and rubbish ever eme— propaganda and rubbish ever mie— propaganda and rubbish ever since this special military eeeemem— since this special military operation started. i think mew-ee— operation started. i think they're ew— operation started. i think they're now realising what is eeme— they're now realising what is being meee— they're now realising what is being done in— they're now realising what is being done in their name and the eeeeemm— being done in their name and the eeeeemm me— being done in their name and the potential for the— being done in their name and the potential for the russian emmew— potential for the russian emmmw m— potential for the russian military to be- potential for the russian military to be completely eetemee— military to be completely defeated in— military to be completely defeated in ukraine. the second meee— defeated in ukraine. the second mme ._ defeated in ukraine. the second mme . mmm— defeated in ukraine. the second thing i think is— defeated in ukraine. the second thing i think is a— defeated in ukraine. the second thing i think is a very meeemm— thing i think is a very important is- thing i think is a very important is that those young meetm— important is that those young russian conscripts and we're not emmme— russian conscripts and we're not mmme meee— russian conscripts and we're not talking about the _ russian conscripts and we're not talking about the wagner mercenaries— talking about the wagner mercenaries who are tens of meweeeme— mercenaries who are tens of meweeeme ef— mercenaries who are tens of thousands of them, sat in meeeemee— thousands of them, sat in trenches. now— thousands of them, sat in trenches. now realise that mew-ee— trenches. now realise that they're being— trenches. now realise that they're being led by complete eeewewe— they're being led by complete eeewewe mm— they're being led by complete donkeys and hopefully they will weee — donkeys and hopefully they will weee mm— donkeys and hopefully they will vote with their— donkeys and hopefully they will vote with their feet. now the mm— vote with their feet. now the mm mm— vote with their feet. now the fact that putin's— vote with their feet. now the fact that putin's had to do a mm— fact that putin's had to do a meet mm— fact that putin's had to do a deal with prague resin and lukashenko_ deal with prague resin and lukashenko ,_ deal with prague resin and lukashenko , another tyrannical

lukashenko, another tyrannical temee— lukashenko, another tyrannical temee m— lukashenko, another tyrannical leader in belarus— lukashenko, another tyrannical leader in belarus , who knows leader in belarus, who knows wmm-e— leader in belarus, who knows wmm-e mm— leader in belarus, who knows wmm-e em ef— leader in belarus, who knows what's part of the deal, as rumours that— what's part of the deal, as rumours that pagos in has demanded— rumours that pagos in has demanded that the defence mtmeeee— demanded that the defence minister shoygu, is sacked and mee— minister shoygu, is sacked and mee me— minister shoygu, is sacked and mee me army— minister shoygu, is sacked and mee me me .— minister shoygu, is sacked and also the army , the military also the army, the military commander gerasimov , are sacked. commander gerasimov, are sacked. and commander gerasimov, are sacked. mm ._ commander gerasimov, are sacked. mm . mew— commander gerasimov, are sacked. mm . mmm m— commander gerasimov, are sacked. and i think if they— commander gerasimov, are sacked. and i think if they go that will be e— and i think if they go that will be e eemw— and i think if they go that will be e eemw mg— and i think if they go that will be a really big move. but i mmm— be a really big move. but i think things— be a really big move. but i think things have settled down a bit think things have settled down a m .— think things have settled down a m . me— think things have settled down a bit . the ukrainians have been bit. the ukrainians have been very— bit. the ukrainians have been very quiet— bit. the ukrainians have been very quiet .— bit. the ukrainians have been very meee . lee-e— bit. the ukrainians have been very quiet . let's hope they've very quiet. let's hope they've been— very quiet. let's hope they've been mm— very quiet. let's hope they've been able to— very quiet. let's hope they've been able to really get an advantage— been able to really get an advantage here because what we all advantage here because what we m wem— advantage here because what we m wem te— advantage here because what we all want is this— advantage here because what we all want is this war— advantage here because what we all want is this war over as soon as possible. and it will be meetm— soon as possible. and it will be once russian troops are kicked out once russian troops are kicked em ef— once russian troops are kicked out of ukraine. _ once russian troops are kicked out of ukraine. well viewers mm— out of ukraine. well viewers m be— out of ukraine. well viewers will be wondering, assuming mm— will be wondering, assuming mm te— will be wondering, assuming putin is weakened by all this mmmmmem— putin is weakened by all this humiliated, embarrass , that even humiliated, embarrass, that even we knew— humiliated, embarrass, that even we knew me— humiliated, embarrass, that even we know the man— humiliated, embarrass, that even we know the man has a rather meee— we know the man has a rather large eee— we know the man has a rather large ege . — we know the man has a rather large ego . “e; we know the man has a rather large ego . “g large ego. assuming that, what does he have in his toolbox in terms of increased massing control? prisoner probably he will wish to. now complete this war as quickly as possible. you have written in the telegraph about the potential use of

nuclear weapons . how do about the potential use of nuclear weapons. how do you about the potential use of nuclear weapons . how do you see nuclear weapons. how do you see this escalating ? that is that is this escalating? that is that is a worry . well it is. i don't a worry. well it is. i don't actually think— a worry. well it is. i don't actually think that- �*vwe�*ezit.. . idon't actually think that that there's actually think that that there's e m— actually think that that there's e m mm— actually think that that there's e m mm me— actually think that that there's a lot that he can— actually think that that there's a lot that he can escalate. so eememw— a lot that he can escalate. so certainly yesterday when mmezmm— certainly yesterday when prigozhin and- certainly yesterday when prigozhin and the wagner group meet— prigozhin and the wagner group eeeee m— prigozhin and the wagner group eeeee m be— prigozhin and the wagner group seemed to be charging towards meeeew— seemed to be charging towards moscow, we were _ seemed to be charging towards moscow, we were concerned on the meee— moscow, we were concerned on the m eeewe— moscow, we were concerned on the nuclear issue . you— moscow, we were concerned on the nuclear issue . you know, the nuclear issue. you know, the mewem— nuclear issue. you know, the mewem ef— nuclear issue. you know, the meng et e— nuclear issue. you know, the thought of a criminal like emgezmw— thought of a criminal like prigozhin you— thought of a criminal like prigozhin, you know, an and his mercenaries controlling the target— mercenaries controlling the largest nuclear— mercenaries controlling the largest nuclear arsenal in the mm— largest nuclear arsenal in the mm we— largest nuclear arsenal in the mm wee— largest nuclear arsenal in the world was was pretty frightening. and i think the us eewewemem— frightening. and i think the us government were— frightening. and i think the us government were thinking the same as you said— government were thinking the same as you said so today. so i mew— same as you said so today. so i mmm mm— same as you said so today. so i mmm mm te— same as you said so today. so i think that is unlikely. i think it think that is unlikely. i think m te— think that is unlikely. i think m e week— think that is unlikely. i think it is very unlikely that putin, if it is very unlikely that putin, m me— it is very unlikely that putin, if he remains— it is very unlikely that putin, if he remains in— it is very unlikely that putin, if he remains in power or if he meee— if he remains in power or if he meke ee— if he remains in power or if he looks as though _ if he remains in power or if he looks as though he's going , looks as though he's going, we-m— looks as though he's going, mm 90— looks as though he's going, mm 90 ewe— looks as though he's going, we'll go out with some big show of we'll go out with some big show et meee— we'll go out with some big show et mme em— we'll go out with some big show of firing off some— we'll go out with some big show of firing off some tactical me— of firing off some tactical nuclear weapons, for instance , nuclear weapons, for instance, or nuclear weapons, for instance, ee ._ nuclear weapons, for instance, ee . mm— nuclear weapons, for instance, or i think the— nuclear weapons, for instance, or i think the big— nuclear weapons, for instance, or i think the big concern is, is or i think the big concern is,

e mewme— or i think the big concern is, m mewme we— or i think the big concern is, is blowing up of— or i think the big concern is, is blowing up of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power meeew— zaporizhzhia nuclear power station, which _ zaporizhzhia nuclear power station, which we know the meeteee— station, which we know the russians have— station, which we know the russians have armed with exemewee— russians have armed with eeeeeewee .— russians have armed with explosives . and of course, they explosives. and of course, they mew— explosives. and of course, they mew we— explosives. and of course, they mew we me— explosives. and of course, they blew up the dam— explosives. and of course, they blew up the dam a few weeks ago. so blew up the dam a few weeks ago. se ._ blew up the dam a few weeks ago. se . mew— blew up the dam a few weeks ago. se . mmm me— blew up the dam a few weeks ago. so i think its chance— blew up the dam a few weeks ago. so i think its chance of escalation— so i think its chance of escalation are- so i think its chance of escalation are are getting ememee— escalation are are getting ememee. ._ escalation are are getting smaller. i mean, he would want he smaller. i mean, he would want me meeem— smaller. i mean, he would want he thought this— smaller. i mean, he would want he thought this war was going to be ever— he thought this war was going to be m— he thought this war was going to be m e— he thought this war was going to be over in a couple— he thought this war was going to be over in a couple of weeks. meee— be over in a couple of weeks. were m— be over in a couple of weeks. we're now in 16— be over in a couple of weeks. we're now in 16 months plus, you meew.— we're now in 16 months plus, you knew me— we're now in 16 months plus, you know, the russians,— we're now in 16 months plus, you know, the russians, i think , are know, the russians, i think, are meew— know, the russians, i think, are pretty meet— know, the russians, i think, are pretty much defeated in ukraine and pretty much defeated in ukraine eem mm.— pretty much defeated in ukraine eem mm. me— pretty much defeated in ukraine and putin, no doubt, is struggling— and putin, no doubt, is struggling to- and putin, no doubt, is struggling to stay in power. meeemmw— struggling to stay in power. hopefully, this— struggling to stay in power. hopefully, this this action over the hopefully, this this action over me me— hopefully, this this action over me meet ze— hopefully, this this action over the last 24 hours— hopefully, this this action over the last 24 hours will precipitate _ the last 24 hours will precipitate his removal. now, sure, whoever comes after him mem— sure, whoever comes after him mem ee— sure, whoever comes after him meet me weee— sure, whoever comes after him meet me .— sure, whoever comes after him might be worse , but they are not might be worse, but they are not going— might be worse, but they are not going m— might be worse, but they are not going m mewe— might be worse, but they are not going m mewe e— might be worse, but they are not going to have a military motty mm— going to have a military motty mm mm— going to have a military motty mm m be— going to have a military motty that will be able— going to have a military motty that will be able to threaten mam— that will be able to threaten mam m— that will be able to threaten mam m me— that will be able to threaten nato in the west for many years . se— nato in the west for many years . se hopefullv_ nato in the west for many years . so hopefully he— nato in the west for many years . so hopefully he will be removed. somebody else will come in removed. somebody else will come m eee— removed. somebody else will come m eem meeme— removed. somebody else will come in and ukraine will— removed. somebody else will come in and ukraine will prevail on the battlefield— in and ukraine will prevail on the battlefield against a demoralised_ the battlefield against a demoralised russian army. meemem— demoralised russian army. meemem te— demoralised russian army. hamish, is there a possibility mm— hamish, is there a possibility mm me— hamish, is there a possibility that this could— hamish, is there a possibility that this could all be part of a

plov— that this could all be part of a mew m— that this could all be part of a mew m eeeeeeew— that this could all be part of a ploy to redeploy the wagner meee— ploy to redeploy the wagner meee m— ploy to redeploy the wagner group in belarus and take a shot at group in belarus and take a shot m mm— group in belarus and take a shot m mm mem— group in belarus and take a shot at kyiv from there— group in belarus and take a shot at kyiv from there ._ group in belarus and take a shot at kyiv from there . that is at kyiv from there. that is a eeemw— at kyiv from there. that is a really eeee— at kyiv from there. that is a really good question. yes, i mm— really good question. yes, i mmm m— really good question. yes, i think it might— really good question. yes, i think it might well be part of the think it might well be part of me eemme— think it might well be part of the options that— think it might well be part of the options that luka hencote mm— the options that luka hencote eem mmezmm— the options that luka hencote and prigozhin have been talking meee— and prigozhin have been talking meee .— and prigozhin have been talking meee . m— and prigozhin have been talking meee . m te— and prigozhin have been talking about . it is unlikely that the about. it is unlikely that the weeeee— about. it is unlikely that the weeeee group— about. it is unlikely that the wagner group are going to be meeew— wagner group are going to be meeew ee— wagner group are going to be nearly as effective without mmezmm. — nearly as effective without prigozhin. how— nearly as effective without prigozhin. how ever the idea it mem— prigozhin. how ever the idea it mem ee— prigozhin. how ever the idea it might be compelling for putin to eeee— might be compelling for putin to eeee we— might be compelling for putin to eeee we eeemee— might be compelling for putin to open up another front. i think it's open up another front. i think m-e mere— open up another front. i think it's more lukashenko wants his emwme— it's more lukashenko wants his own private army— it's more lukashenko wants his own private army to protect him eeeewee— own private army to protect him eeeewee ._ own private army to protect him because i expect— own private army to protect him because i expect that if putin eeee— because i expect that if putin eeee mm— because i expect that if putin eeee eem we-ee— because i expect that if putin goes and we're all hoping he mm.— goes and we're all hoping he mm. m— goes and we're all hoping he will, it won't— goes and we're all hoping he will, it won't be— goes and we're all hoping he will, it won't be long before me— will, it won't be long before me eeeeee— will, it won't be long before me people m— will, it won't be long before the people in belarus who don't wee— the people in belarus who don't wme mee-e— the people in belarus who don't who didn't vote— the people in belarus who don't who didn't vote for— the people in belarus who don't who didn't vote for him don't wem— who didn't vote for him don't wem mm — who didn't vote for him don't want him leading them, would feet— want him leading them, would feel confident— want him leading them, would feel confident to— want him leading them, would feel confident to rise up and get— feel confident to rise up and get me— feel confident to rise up and get m et— feel confident to rise up and get rid of him.— feel confident to rise up and get rid of him. so it might well be lukashenko_ get rid of him. so it might well be lukashenko is— get rid of him. so it might well be lukashenko is after his own eeweee— be lukashenko is after his own emwme mew— be lukashenko is after his own emwme eeww m— be lukashenko is after his own private army to protect him. so

it's private army to protect him. so we eeeetme— private army to protect him. so we eeeeeme . — private army to protect him. so it's possible . well,- private army to protect him. so it's possible . �*tfemezit.. it's possible. well, thank you very much . that is hamish de very much. that is hamish de bretton—gordon. thank you for your time. former british army colonel who has also written in the telegraph today. if you want to take a look of that. so let's see what my panel make of all this. we've got former brexit party mep ben habib with me. excellent. and political commentator matthew stadlen. well, very interesting conversation with hamish there. he clearly is a man in the know, is he not, ben? but it's almost confusing at this stage to know why things have happened , why why things have happened, why they've happened in this order, what the wagner group is up to, what the wagner group is up to, what putin is up to, what's happening in belarus. what is your take? well, i thought i your hot take? well, i thought i meeem— your hot take? well, i thought i mewem wee— your hot take? well, i thought i mewem you mm— your hot take? well, i thought i thought you had the— ” , well, i thought i thought you had the hot take meeew.— thought you had the hot take actually, which— thought you had the hot take actually, which your last eeeeme— actually, which your last question to— actually, which your last question to the colonel about wmemee— question to the colonel about whether this— question to the colonel about whether this was— question to the colonel about whether this was a ploy to get weeeee— whether this was a ploy to get weeeee m— whether this was a ploy to get weeeee m me— whether this was a ploy to get wagner to the north of ukraine. mm— wagner to the north of ukraine. mm mee— wagner to the north of ukraine. mm mee wee— wagner to the north of ukraine. and then you know, have a crack at and then you know, have a crack m meee— and then you know, have a crack at ukraine from _ and then you know, have a crack at ukraine from an— and then you know, have a crack at ukraine from an from a meeemm— at ukraine from an from a direction that— at ukraine from an from a direction that ukraine isn't eeeeemee— direction that ukraine isn't eeeeemee ._ direction that ukraine isn't expecting? i mean , you know, expecting? i mean, you know, weetemew— expecting? i mean, you know, weeeemew e— expecting? i mean, you know, yesterday a few— expecting? i mean, you know, yesterday a few days ago, wagner

eeeemee— yesterday a few days ago, wagner were regarded as— yesterday a few days ago, wagner were regarded as the bad boys of meee.— were regarded as the bad boys of meeme. vee— were regarded as the bad boys of ukraine. you know,— were regarded as the bad boys of ukraine. you know, this horrible . meme— ukraine. you know, this horrible , atrocious army— ukraine. you know, this horrible , atrocious army bunch of mercenaries— , atrocious army bunch of mercenaries who go around mmm— mercenaries who go around killing peopiee_ mercenaries who go around killing people, thousands of ex—cons , thousands of ex—cons. ex—cons, thousands of ex—cons. mm— ex—cons, thousands of ex—cons. mm weeeemew— ex—cons, thousands of ex—cons. and yesterday they— ex—cons, thousands of ex—cons. and yesterday they were almost being— and yesterday they were almost being meee— and yesterday they were almost being meee ew— and yesterday they were almost being feted by western media. i eee-e— being feted by western media. i met meew.— being feted by western media. i don't know. there— being feted by western media. i don't know. there was a kind of, you— don't know. there was a kind of, wee meew.— don't know. there was a kind of, wee meew. mm— don't know. there was a kind of, you know, real support for their meet— you know, real support for their march towards— you know, real support for their march towards moscow. but my mm— march towards moscow. but my me me— march towards moscow. but my eeke ewew mem — march towards moscow. but my take away from all of this , take away from all of this, eeemee— take away from all of this, assuming this— take away from all of this, assuming this isn't some kind of meee— assuming this isn't some kind of meee mee— assuming this isn't some kind of false flag operation , my take false flag operation, my take ewew— false flag operation, my take ewew mem — false flag operation, my take away from this— false flag operation, my take away from this is how precarious is away from this is how precarious te me— away from this is how precarious te me wmete— away from this is how precarious is the whole russian situation is. is the whole russian situation te. me— is the whole russian situation is. it's almost— is the whole russian situation is. it's almost like mediaeval meee.— is. it's almost like mediaeval meee. mew— is. it's almost like mediaeval times. you know— is. it's almost like mediaeval times. you know ,_ is. it's almost like mediaeval times. you know , you've got times. you know, you've got a mee— times. you know, you've got a mee mm— times. you know, you've got a king me me— times. you know, you've got a king and it's all— times. you know, you've got a king and it's all about power. mm— king and it's all about power. mm mee— king and it's all about power. mm me-e eee— king and it's all about power. and he's got his— king and it's all about power. and he's got his nobles . and and he's got his nobles. and meee— and he's got his nobles. and these nobles— and he's got his nobles. and these nobles may rebel from time to these nobles may rebel from time m mee.— these nobles may rebel from time m mee. mm— these nobles may rebel from time m mee. mm m— these nobles may rebel from time to time. and if prigozhin is me— to time. and if prigozhin is me e— to time. and if prigozhin is like a noble— to time. and if prigozhin is like a noble from the, you know, the like a noble from the, you know, me mm— like a noble from the, you know, me eem mee— like a noble from the, you know, me eem mee .— like a noble from the, you know, the dark ages , he— like a noble from the, you know, the dark ages , he extracted the dark ages, he extracted a price— the dark ages, he extracted a emee weeeemew— the dark ages, he extracted a price yesterday ._ the dark ages, he extracted a price yesterday . and what price yesterday. and what worries me is— price yesterday. and what worries me is it is a nuclear meee— worries me is it is a nuclear eemee eeemew. — worries me is it is a nuclear armed country. i— worries me is it is a nuclear armed country. i wouldn't be in armed country. iwouldn't be in ewew— armed country. iwouldn't be in mm e— armed country. iwouldn't be in mm e meeew— armed country. iwouldn't be in mm e meew m— armed country. i wouldn't be in such a hurry to want to get rid of such a hurry to want to get rid et mm— such a hurry to want to get rid of putin because— such a hurry to want to get rid of putin because who knows what comes next. and— of putin because who knows what comes next. and i— of putin because who knows what comes next. and i agree with the

meet— comes next. and i agree with the colonel completely— comes next. and i agree with the colonel completely that, you meew.— colonel completely that, you knew me — colonel completely that, you know, the russian from know, the russian military from a conventional— know, the russian military from a conventional perspective, has been— a conventional perspective, has eeem—.- a conventional perspective, has eeem—. m- a conventional perspective, has eeem—. m eee-ei been utterly disrobed. it can't mewm— been utterly disrobed. it can't mewm eew— been utterly disrobed. it can't mount any conventional action memee— mount any conventional action eeemee me— mount any conventional action against the west,— mount any conventional action against the west, you know, wmem— against the west, you know, which would— against the west, you know, which would threaten us in any wew— which would threaten us in any wew .— which would threaten us in any serious way. but— which would threaten us in any serious way . but they are serious way. but they are eememw— serious way. but they are seriously nuclear armed . and, seriously nuclear armed. and, you— seriously nuclear armed. and, wew meew.— seriously nuclear armed. and, wew meew. m— seriously nuclear armed. and, wew meew. m wee— seriously nuclear armed. and, you know, if you get a lunatic in you know, if you get a lunatic m meme— you know, if you get a lunatic m meme ee— you know, if you get a lunatic in charge of the— you know, if you get a lunatic in charge of the nukes, you meew.— in charge of the nukes, you knew mm-e— in charge of the nukes, you know, that's my— in charge of the nukes, you know, that's my biggest concern is know, that's my biggest concern e where— know, that's my biggest concern e where mee— know, that's my biggest concern is where does this— know, that's my biggest concern is where does this up? m/mittfe is where does this end up? yes, it's is where does this end up? yes, me eee— is where does this end up? yes, me m m— is where does this end up? yes, it's not an exaggeration or a stretch to ask about whether this increases the risk of nuclear war, of nuclear weapons being used . putin is under being used. putin is under enormous stress. he's likely to be feeling quite embarrassed by all of this , as where does he go all of this, as where does he go now ? so, first of all, i think now? so, first of all, i think we— now? so, first of all, i think we emeem— , so, first of all, i think we should acknowledge what do we meewe— we should acknowledge what do we mewe whee— we should acknowledge what do we mewe wmm ee— we should acknowledge what do we know? what do any— we should acknowledge what do we know? what do any of us know? meee— know? what do any of us know? were m— know? what do any of us know? we're all speculating. i suppose the we're all speculating. i suppose me ee— we're all speculating. i suppose me mme— we're all speculating. i suppose the one thing we— we're all speculating. i suppose the one thing we do know in meet— the one thing we do know in eeeem m— the one thing we do know in regard to russia— the one thing we do know in regard to russia is that the memen— regard to russia is that the kremlin lies— regard to russia is that the kremlin lies and it lies and it mee— kremlin lies and it lies and it mee .— kremlin lies and it lies and it mee . se— kremlin lies and it lies and it lies . so that's— kremlin lies and it lies and it lies . so that's the first thing. lies. so that's the first thing. seeemmw— lies. so that's the first thing. seeemmw ._ lies. so that's the first thing. secondly i think— lies. so that's the first thing. secondly i think there was eememw— secondly i think there was eewemw e— secondly i think there was obviously a huge amount of eeeemmew— obviously a huge amount of speculation and— obviously a huge amount of speculation and in some quarters , speculation and in some quarters . mee— speculation and in some quarters . mee-m— speculation and in some quarters meee-m eeme— speculation and in some quarters , not in some ukrainian , not least in some ukrainian ewemeee— , not least in some ukrainian quarters, excitement yesterday

on quarters, excitement yesterday eee-mm— quarters, excitement yesterday on-that although- quarters, excitement yesterday on that although these on the basis that although these weewee— on the basis that although these wagner mercenaries are just that and wagner mercenaries are just that end mew— wagner mercenaries are just that end mew ee— wagner mercenaries are just that and they are brutal, i mean, mew— and they are brutal, i mean, mew ee— and they are brutal, i mean, they are savage,— and they are brutal, i mean, they are savage, these people. mm— they are savage, these people. mm me— they are savage, these people. mm mee eww— they are savage, these people. and this guy prigozhin is a meweeee— and this guy prigozhin is a meweeee ee— and this guy prigozhin is a monster of the— and this guy prigozhin is a monster of the kremlin's eemem— monster of the kremlin's eeemem .— monster of the kremlin's creation . nonetheless, along the creation. nonetheless, along the meee— creation. nonetheless, along the meee ee— creation. nonetheless, along the meee et my— creation. nonetheless, along the lines of my enemy's enemy is my mem— lines of my enemy's enemy is my meem .— lines of my enemy's enemy is my meem . a— lines of my enemy's enemy is my meem . a m— lines of my enemy's enemy is my friend . a lot of— lines of my enemy's enemy is my friend . a lot of people would friend. a lot of people would mme— friend. a lot of people would mewe meee— friend. a lot of people would have been cheering him on. you mee— have been cheering him on. you eeee meek— have been cheering him on. you eeee eeek mem — have been cheering him on. you step back from it— have been cheering him on. you step back from it for a moment eem— step back from it for a moment eem wew— step back from it for a moment eem wew mew— step back from it for a moment eem wew mmm .— step back from it for a moment and you think , crikey, as hamish and you think, crikey, as hamiin and you think, crikey, as hamish . me— and you think, crikey, as hamish . me me— and you think, crikey, as hamish , the former army— and you think, crikey, as hamish , the former army officer, said . meeme— , the former army officer, said . mmme m— , the former army officer, said , imagine if these— , the former army officer, said , imagine if these crooks , if , imagine if these crooks, if meee— , imagine if these crooks, if these criminals,— , imagine if these crooks, if these criminals, some of whom weem— these criminals, some of whom wewm mme— these criminals, some of whom would have been— these criminals, some of whom would have been released from meew— would have been released from emeem m— would have been released from emeee m emee— would have been released from prison in order to— would have been released from prison in order to go and eeeemee— prison in order to go and sacrifice themselves on the mm— sacrifice themselves on the mm mee. — sacrifice themselves on the front line, be— sacrifice themselves on the front line, be cannon fodder for mem-e— front line, be cannon fodder for putin's—imagine. front line, be cannon fodder for putin's—imagine if. putin's illegal war, imagine if meee— putin's illegal war, imagine if meee ewwe— putin's illegal war, imagine if meee ewwe mm— putin's illegal war, imagine if these guys had got their hands on these guys had got their hands eee me— these guys had got their hands eee me meeke— these guys had got their hands on the nukes. we— these guys had got their hands on the nukes. we were scared eweeem— on the nukes. we were scared eeewem ween-e— on the nukes. we were scared enough, weren't we, early last year— enough, weren't we, early last weee whee— enough, weren't we, early last year when ukraine was invaded, we were uncertain— year when ukraine was invaded, we were uncertain enough about wmm— we were uncertain enough about whee—m.— we were uncertain enough about wmm—ee. .- we were uncertain enough about what—do. i think. what putin would do. i think eememw— what putin would do. i think although putin— what putin would do. i think although putin is an evil man, eememw— although putin is an evil man, eewemw we— although putin is an evil man, obviously we want him out in meme— obviously we want him out in meme ef— obviously we want him out in meme et ew— obviously we want him out in terms of our own— obviously we want him out in terms of our own safety, our eemem— terms of our own safety, our selfish interests. _ terms of our own safety, our selfish interests. the idea of meee— selfish interests. the idea of meee ewwe— selfish interests. the idea of these guys getting hold of the memen— these guys getting hold of the meme me— these guys getting hold of the kremlin and therefore the nukes is kremlin and therefore the nukes te truly— kremlin and therefore the nukes is truly terrifying _ kremlin and therefore the nukes is truly terrifying . �*tewe�*ezit.. is truly terrifying. well,

meee-e— is truly terrifying. well, there's certainly a question to be asked about whether it is better the devil you know. but of course , in this case, the of course, in this case, the wagner group have turned back of course, in this case, the wagtheyiroup have turned back of course, in this case, the wagthey may have turned back of course, in this case, the wagthey may well turned back of course, in this case, the wagthey may well be �*ned back of course, in this case, the wagthey may well be exiledick of course, in this case, the wagthey may well be exiled to and they may well be exiled to belarus. but what happens with the thousands of essentially ex—con mercenaries , where are ex—con mercenaries, where are they going to go? what are they going to do ? are they going to going to do? are they going to still be working for putin? we'll see what happens. we'll be talking to historian and talking to a historian and foreign about foreign affairs specialist about potential links potential historical links, historical in just historical comparatives in just one moment. but you're watching and to gb news sunday and listening to gb news sunday with carville . we've with me, emily carville. we've got lots more coming up on today's show varga wagner today's show as the varga wagner mercenary off his mercenary boss calls off his troops rebellion. be troops rebellion. we'll be discussing means for discussing what this means for the landscape. the geopolitical landscape. we've all of that come. we've got all of that to come. i'm emily carver. you're watching and listening to gb news, news channel. news, britain's news channel. hello jonathan hello there. i'm jonathan vemeew— hello there. i'm jonathan vemeew .— hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey . who— hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey . who your latest gb vautrey. who of your latest gb mewe— vautrey. who of your latest gb news weather— vautrey. who of your latest gb news weather forecast provided by news weather forecast provided mew-eeme— news weather forecast provided ew-emee e— news weather forecast provided by-office ? heat- news weather forecast provided by office ? heat and by the met office? heat and memmmw— by the met office? heat and humidity really— by the met office? heat and humidity really has been emmme— humidity really has been building over— humidity really has been building over the past few days, but building over the past few days, mm me— building over the past few days, mm me me— building over the past few days, but for the start— building over the past few days, but for the start of— building over the past few days, but for the start of the new weemme — but for the start of the new working week,— but for the start of the new working week, there is a slight meme— working week, there is a slight meme ew— working week, there is a slight meeee eee-wew— working week, there is a slight change on way because behind change on the way because behind this

change on the way because behind eme-mewe— change on the way because behind this-front, our— change on the way because behind this-front, our winds- this cold front, our winds are emmme— this cold front, our winds are shifting-more— this cold front, our winds are shifting-morela- this cold front, our winds are shifting more a westerly shifting to more of a westerly meeemw— shifting to more of a westerly direction,-to-inl direction, helping to feed in eeme—teeel some slightly fresher, less mme— some slightly fresher, less humid-whilst- some slightly fresher, less humid whilst the cold humid air. but whilst the cold mem— humid air. but whilst the cold mem te— humid air. but whilst the cold front is with— humid air. but whilst the cold front is with us,— humid air. but whilst the cold front is with us, there will be bringing— front is with us, there will be bringing eeme— front is with us, there will be bringing some outbreaks heavy bringing some outbreaks of heavy rain:— bringing some outbreaks of heavy rain, some thunderstorms eeeetme— rain, some thunderstorms. possible—england, possible for eastern england, eemem— possible for eastern england,| eeeeem—ee eastern scotland and parts of eeemm— eastern scotland and parts of eastern northern— eastern scotland and parts of eastern northern ireland meewemem— eastern northern ireland throughout evening. throughout this evening. we'll ewemeemw— eventually clear its way towards the north—east,— eventually clear its way towards the north—east, could be the north—east, but could be eeme— the north—east, but could be mme-mem— the north—east, but could be quite-night for- the north—east, but could be quite night for shetland quite a damp night for shetland . a quite a damp night for shetland .—e eemeeemei quite a damp night for shetland ._a scattering ofi . dry elsewhere, a scattering of meewee— . dry elsewhere, a scattering of showers across the _ . dry elsewhere, a scattering of showers across the far north—west. - showers across the far north—west. most of us showers across the far- north—west. .most of us will north—west. but most of us will see some clear— north—west. but most of us will see some clear skies with those meemee— see some clear skies with those fresher conditions— see some clear skies with those fresher conditions place, fresher conditions in place, meeew.— fresher conditions in place, though, temperatures will be a meeew— though, temperatures will be a memm mwee— though, temperatures will be a notch lower-last- though, temperatures will be a notch lower last night. so notch lower than last night. so a notch lower than last night. so emeele— notch lower than last night. so a more comfortable for a bit more comfortable for meeting— a bit more comfortable for sleeping around 12 to 14 c. meemew— sleeping around 12 to 14 c. monday starts— sleeping around 12 to 14 c. monday starts on a relatively mee— monday starts on a relatively mee meee.— monday starts on a relatively mee meee. a— monday starts on a relatively fine note. a good— monday starts on a relatively fine note. a good amount of eeeemwe— fine note. a good amount of sunshine. first— fine note. a good amount of sunshine. first thing. the showers, though, will bubble up into showers, though, will bubble up me me— showers, though, will bubble up into the afternoon.— showers, though, will bubble up into the afternoon. some of meee— into the afternoon. some of meee-meew- into the afternoon. some of those heavy across into the afternoon. some of- those - heavy across the those could be heavy across the meemem—mm- those could be heavy across the northern _uk. still. northern half of the uk. still me— northern half of the uk. still eme-ee— northern half of the uk. still me-ee e— northern half of the uk. still me-ee e few- the chance of a few thunderstorms in there across wetee— thunderstorms in there across wales _ southern l wales into central southern areas—tending. wales into central southerni areas—tending to wales into central southern- areas_tending to stay areas of england tending to stay mee. — areas of england tending to stay drier. _fresher- drier. but noticeably fresher for drier. but noticeably fresher m m— drier. but noticeably fresher m m et— drier. but noticeably fresher for all of us— drier. but noticeably fresher for all of us compared to sunday meme— for all of us compared to sunday meme eememw— for all of us compared to sunday highs generally between 1920 two eeeeeee— highs generally between 1920 two degrees celsius.— highs generally between 1920 two degrees celsius. still maybe the mm— degrees celsius. still maybe the mm eee— degrees celsius. still maybe the mid 20s across— degrees celsius. still maybe the mid 20s across the— degrees celsius. still maybe the mid 20s across the far south—east,- mid 20s across the far south—east, some late evening eweemwe— south—east, some late evening eweemwe ee— south—east, some late evening

sunshine as the— south—east, some late evening sunshine as the showers eememw— sunshine as the showers generally fade their way off the eememme— generally fade their way off the sunshine though— generally fade their way off the sunshine though a bit hazy in meeee— sunshine though a bit hazy in places increasingly as this mem— places increasingly as this cloud builds— places increasingly as this cloud builds its way in from the wee.— cloud builds its way in from the wee. eeme— cloud builds its way in from the wee. eeme e— cloud builds its way in from the west, quite a damp second half of west, quite a damp second half et me— west, quite a damp second half et me mem— west, quite a damp second half of the night for— west, quite a damp second half of the night for northern meee.— of the night for northern ireland,-this- of the night for northern ireland, this rain moving ireland, with this rain moving its ireland, with this rain moving me—eteei its way in, the humidity also twee— its way in, the humidity also we beginning— its way in, the humidity also just beginning to build up a meet— just beginning to build up a mm ewee— just beginning to build up a touch once again. that rain then eeemee— touch once again. that rain then ewemeelwew— touch once again. that rain then ewemeelwew mm— touch once again. that rain then pushes way into scotland. pushes its way into scotland. meemem— pushes its way into scotland. northern england and wales for the northern england and wales for eme-meeew. — northern england and wales for the-tuesday. .the. the start of tuesday. but the far southeast— the start of tuesday. but the far southeast and parts of the meemem— far southeast and parts of the northern isles— far southeast and parts of the northern isles staying drier meewemem— northern isles staying drier throughout the— northern isles staying drier throughout the morning. that eem— throughout the morning. that eem-wew— throughout the morning. that rain way through rain clears its way through meee— rain clears its way through eeme-me— rain clears its way through later-the-but. rain clears its way through. later-the-but we've later on in the day. but we've got— later on in the day. but we've got-frontal— later on in the day. but we've got frontal systems and got further frontal systems and eeme— got further frontal systems and eeme-meew— got further frontal systems and bands-readylpush. bands of rain ready to push mete— bands of rain ready to push mee wew— bands of rain ready to push mee wew m— bands of rain ready to push their way in at— bands of rain ready to push their way in at points over the course of the— their way in at points over the course of the next— their way in at points over the course of the next so course of the next week. so meee— course of the next week. so here's looking _ course of the next week. so here's looking like a relatively eeeeeeeee— here's looking like a relatively unsettled temperatures, unsettled one. temperatures, meeew.— unsettled one. temperatures, meeew-we- unsettled one. temperatures, though, up around where though, holding up around where mew— though, holding up around where mew emewm— though, holding up around where they should-the— though, holding up around where they should the mid to low they should be in the mid to low eee— they should be in the mid to low eee ew—

so you're listening to gb news . so you're listening to gb news meme— . so you're listening to gb news meme .— . so you're listening to gb news meme . — . so you're listening to gb news meme . wee-we— . so you're listening to gb news radio . you've been— so you're listening to gb news radio . /eite egzit.. “eg so you're listening to gb news radio . /ezite egzit.. “eg t“ radio. you've been getting in touch on our big topic of the day, the wagner rebels in russia. hillary says, i'm just wondering how long it's going to be before the leader of the

wagner group does a vanishing act never to seen again. i act never to be seen again. i don't think he's going to survive this. putin is too nervous about him. very good point. this is point. milo says this is incredibly alarming. don't see incredibly alarming. i don't see putin power at the end of the putin in power at the end of the year. putin in power at the end of the year . well, we'll see, campbell year. well, we'll see, campbell says very dangerous development in already volatile situation in an already volatile situation in an already volatile situation in my opinion. yes. good assessment there. and donald has written in, he says, with wagner's leader going to belarus , is this a big con by putin and wagner and president wagner and belarus president lukashenko ? so, yes, there may lukashenko? so, yes, there may always be more to this than meets the eye, but please do keep your coming in. keep your views coming in. subscribe youtube channel keep your views coming in. subzfollow youtube channel keep your views coming in. subzfollow us youtube channel keep your views coming in. subzfollow us on youtube channel keep your views coming in. subzfollow us on twitter. channel keep your views coming in. subzfollow us on twitter. we'reiel and follow us on twitter. we're at gb news. so we've been discussing all the very latest in after wagner group in russia after wagner group boss prigozhin called boss yevgeny prigozhin called off his troops rebellion . the off his troops rebellion. the kremlin says that the group and its chief will not be persecuted and that the leader of the wagner group is to leave russia for belarus. but what does this all mean for the geopolitics oil landscape? joining to landscape? joining me now to discuss further is discuss this further is executive director at the henry

jackson society , dr. alan jackson society, dr. alan mendoza. thank you very much , mendoza. thank you very much, alan, for joining mendoza. thank you very much, alan, forjoining me this alan, for joining me this afternoon . and to extent afternoon. and to what extent has putin been weakened by the events the last few days? events of the last few days? well i think he's undoubtedly been weakened. i mean, eeeeememw— been weakened. i mean, essentially, firstly- been weakened. i mean, essentially, firstly ,- t“ : i mean, essentially, firstly , his whole essentially, firstly, his whole emeeme— essentially, firstly, his whole rationale for— essentially, firstly, his whole rationale for the _ essentially, firstly, his whole rationale for the war has been eememw— rationale for the war has been eeemw. wee— rationale for the war has been publicly, you know , sort of told publicly, you know, sort of told as publicly, you know, sort of told ee e me— publicly, you know, sort of told ee e me ee— publicly, you know, sort of told as a lie on on— publicly, you know, sort of told as a lie on on television and on eemem— as a lie on on television and on meet eeeme— as a lie on on television and on social media channels. so that ewew— social media channels. so that emw ee— social media channels. so that emw be e— social media channels. so that can only be a weakness in in his eeeeeeem— can only be a weakness in in his approach. secondly— can only be a weakness in in his approach. secondly he's had a eeemw— approach. secondly he's had a eeemw mm— approach. secondly he's had a mutiny that took— approach. secondly he's had a mutiny that took control of meeeeee— mutiny that took control of russian military headquarters and russian military headquarters em mee— russian military headquarters and then looked— russian military headquarters and then looked like it was memme— and then looked like it was memme ee— and then looked like it was heading up the— and then looked like it was heading up the road to moscow mm— heading up the road to moscow mm wew— heading up the road to moscow with very limited— heading up the road to moscow with very limited sort of meeeeeee— with very limited sort of attempts to _ with very limited sort of attempts to stop it. that could ewew— attempts to stop it. that could emw meee— attempts to stop it. that could only have been— attempts to stop it. that could only have been construed as weakness on his— only have been construed as weakness on his part. and then weakness on his part. and then we eme— weakness on his part. and then we eme eee-e— weakness on his part. and then we still don't know what's quite eeeee— we still don't know what's quite eeeee ee— we still don't know what's quite ended up happening. yes, we've meem— ended up happening. yes, we've we've heard that— ended up happening. yes, we've we've heard that sort of wagner meee— we've heard that sort of wagner mewe wee— we've heard that sort of wagner have now, you know, kind of meeeeeeeee— have now, you know, kind of disappeared and— have now, you know, kind of disappeared and we'll be going to disappeared and we'll be going m eeeeeee— disappeared and we'll be going to belarus or— disappeared and we'll be going to belarus or we'll be sort of meeeeeee— to belarus or we'll be sort of meeeeeee m— to belarus or we'll be sort of immersed in the— to belarus or we'll be sort of immersed in the russian armed meeee— immersed in the russian armed meeee eee.— immersed in the russian armed meeee eee. wee— immersed in the russian armed forces. but, you know, it's emeee— forces. but, you know, it's unclear sort— forces. but, you know, it's unclear sort of— forces. but, you know, it's unclear sort of even into the meee— unclear sort of even into the meee-whee— unclear sort of even into the short-what that- unclear sort of even into the short what that actually short term what that actually means—there's. short term what that actually means—there's ai short term what that actually. means—there's a lot means in practise. there's a lot

of means in practise. there's a lot ee eeeeeeemew— means in practise. there's a lot of uncertainty as— means in practise. there's a lot of uncertainty as a— means in practise. there's a lot of uncertainty as a result. an eeeeee— of uncertainty as a result. an eeeeee ee— of uncertainty as a result. an expert on global— of uncertainty as a result. an expert on global politics, meme— expert on global politics, foreign affairs— expert on global politics, foreign affairs says, what does eme— foreign affairs says, what does eme eeem— foreign affairs says, what does eme m— foreign affairs says, what does this mean in terms of the eemeew— this mean in terms of the eemeew ee— this mean in terms of the entirety of the _ this mean in terms of the entirety of the world and the mmeeem— entirety of the world and the different powers _ entirety of the world and the different powers competing ? different powers competing? meee— different powers competing? wem mee— different powers competing? what does this— different powers competing? what does this mean- different powers competing? what does this mean for china, for example? will they does the weakening of putin mean a greater role for china and other regimes . well i'm not sure it regimes. well i'm not sure it leads to a greater role for china in terms of in this conflict. but china in terms of in this conflict . but i china in terms of in this conflict. but i think putin's weekemee— conflict. but i think putin's weekemee ee— eiezite“. ea. but i think putin's weakening is really to be looked at weakening is really to be looked m m— weakening is really to be looked m m meme— weakening is really to be looked m m eeeeee ee— weakening is really to be looked at in terms of what it means for meeeee— at in terms of what it means for meeeee mem— at in terms of what it means for russia right now— at in terms of what it means for russia right now and for russia. it russia right now and for russia. m emewe— russia right now and for russia. m emewe mm— russia right now and for russia. it shows that things are going wew— it shows that things are going weew meeew— it shows that things are going weew eemw weeee— it shows that things are going very badly wrong in ukraine. mew-ee— very badly wrong in ukraine. mew-ee going— very badly wrong in ukraine. they're going very badly wrong in they're going very badly wrong m meeeee— they're going very badly wrong in russia itself.— they're going very badly wrong in russia itself. and it's less a in russia itself. and it's less e eeeeeee— in russia itself. and it's less e eeeemee ee— in russia itself. and it's less a question of others taking up a...— a question of others taking up me. m— a question of others taking up me. m wee— a question of others taking up me. m wee-me— a question of others taking up the, if you the space that the, if you like, the space that mem— the, if you like, the space that mem mem — the, if you like, the space that putin took. it's— the, if you like, the space that putin took. it's more a question of putin took. it's more a question ee eeemw— putin took. it's more a question ee eeemw mew— putin took. it's more a question of really how stable is this eeeeeee— of really how stable is this regime mm— of really how stable is this regime into the— of really how stable is this regime into the medium term and will regime into the medium term and mm we— regime into the medium term and mm we eee— regime into the medium term and mm we e.— regime into the medium term and will we see a, you— regime into the medium term and will we see a, you know, a meme— will we see a, you know, a meeee ee— will we see a, you know, a change of leadership soon that mm— change of leadership soon that mm eeme— change of leadership soon that mm eeme e— change of leadership soon that will make a big— change of leadership soon that will make a big difference to mew— will make a big difference to mew meeeee— will make a big difference to how russia itself faces

emweme— how russia itself faces outwards, and that is what will meee— outwards, and that is what will mewe ee— outwards, and that is what will have an impact— outwards, and that is what will have an impact then on other eemmee— have an impact then on other countries following. so what mee— countries following. so what mee meee — countries following. so what does putin do now ? now the man does putin do now? now the man has been bruised, potentially humiliated by what has happened. what can he do? his his goal will be to quickly end this war as possible. what can he do to escalate matters will he escalate matters will he escalate matters? does he have control over his own military? what happens next? well, i think he's what happens next? well, i think me-e eee— what happens next? well, i think he's got control— what happens next? well, i think he's got control over— what happens next? well, i think he's got control over his- �*tewe�*t“ii. “ei;,mi’ well, i think he's got control over his own emmeew— he's got control over his own emmeew. .— he's got control over his own military. i mean,— he's got control over his own military. i mean, don't forget, mee— military. i mean, don't forget, eme wee— military. i mean, don't forget, eme e— military. i mean, don't forget, this was a mercenary force. meee— this was a mercenary force. meee wee— this was a mercenary force. there was essentially a an, you knew.— there was essentially a an, you knew. ee— there was essentially a an, you know, an adjunct— there was essentially a an, you know, an adjunct to the military meee— know, an adjunct to the military meee mm— know, an adjunct to the military meee mm me— know, an adjunct to the military force that he lost— know, an adjunct to the military force that he lost control over. am— force that he lost control over. am when — force that he lost control over. am when wee — force that he lost control over. and when you invite mercenaries in, and when you invite mercenaries in. wee— and when you invite mercenaries m. wee wee— and when you invite mercenaries m. wee wee eeeee— and when you invite mercenaries in, you you must always assume mm— in, you you must always assume mm m— in, you you must always assume mm m eeeee— in, you you must always assume that at some point— in, you you must always assume that at some point the mercenaries- that at some point the mercenaries decide mercenaries may decide to try eee— mercenaries may decide to try eee-meee— mercenaries may decide to try and-rome rather- mercenaries may decide to try and rome rather go mercenaries may decide to try- and-rome rather-go and and sack rome rather than go and eem— and sack rome rather than go and sack-barbarians.— and sack rome rather than go and sack-barbarians. so- and sack rome rather than go and sack barbarians. so there's sack the barbarians. so there's a sack the barbarians. so there's e-mwewe— sack the barbarians. so there'si a-always-aspect. a there was always that aspect. eee— a there was always that aspect. eee wmm— a there was always that aspect. eee wmm me — a there was always that aspect. but what he really— a there was always that aspect. but what he really needs to do ee— but what he really needs to do m m.— but what he really needs to do m m. .— but what he really needs to do now is to, i suppose, send a eeeeeeee vee— now is to, i suppose, send a message. you got to remember, meeeee— message. you got to remember, meeeee ee— message. you got to remember, russia is essentially a criminal eeeme— russia is essentially a criminal eeeme eeme. — russia is essentially a criminal mafia state. the— russia is essentially a criminal mafia state. the godfathers eememw— mafia state. the godfathers authority challenged. authority has been challenged. it's authority has been challenged. eee—me— authority has been challenged. it's—the challenge| it's sort of been the challenge of it's sort of been the challenge ee-eeee— it's sort of been the challenge ee-eeee ee— it's sort of been the challenge of-sort of seen- of being sort of seen off accidentally— of being sort of seen off accidentally .- of being sort of seen off accidentally . i- of being sort of seen off accidentally . i wouldn't be

accidentally. i wouldn't be eeeeeeeee— accidentally. i wouldn't be surprised either prigozhin surprised if either prigozhin mee— surprised if either prigozhin mee m— surprised if either prigozhin now has to .and - surprised if either prigozhin now has to and prove himself now has to go and prove himself in now has to go and prove himself m wew— now has to go and prove himself in some way that— now has to go and prove himself in some way that he's loyal, ee— in some way that he's loyal, ee-eeee— in some way that he's loyal, i.e.-does end- in some way that he's loyal, i.e.-does end up- in some way that he's loyal, i.e. does end up in i.e. if he does end up in meee.— i.e. if he does end up in belarus, that— i.e. if he does end up in belarus, that he menaces ukraine meee— belarus, that he menaces ukraine meee-eeem— belarus, that he menaces ukraine meee-eeem eee— belarus, that he menaces ukraine from north and does from the north and does eeeeemme— from the north and does something putin show from the north and does- something.putin.show he's something for putin to show he's eeemee— something for putin to show he's eeeme-ee— something for putin to show he's coming-or frankly, - something for putin to show he's coming or frankly, he, you coming back or frankly, he, you knew.— coming back or frankly, he, you knew. we— coming back or frankly, he, you knew. we mighi— coming back or frankly, he, you know, we might end up with his eeeee— know, we might end up with his eeeee eeeeeeee— know, we might end up with his corpse appearing very shortly eeeeeee— corpse appearing very shortly because that's— corpse appearing very shortly because that's the other way. me — because that's the other way. the godfather— because that's the other way. the godfather show he's the godfather can show he's eeemeee— the godfather can show he's restored _over- the godfather can show he's restored over this restored control over this ememee— restored control over this situation. don't think it situation. i don't think it eeeme— situation. i don't think it eeeme eew— situation. i don't think it makes any difference, particularly- makes any difference, particularly the battlefield particularly on the battlefield mem— particularly on the battlefield right counteroffensive right now. the counteroffensive eee-e.— right now. the counteroffensive eee-e. wee— right now. the counteroffensive eee-e. wee mew.— right now. the counteroffensive isn't, you know, leading to a eem— isn't, you know, leading to a massive sort of— isn't, you know, leading to a massive sort of push through the meeeeee— massive sort of push through the meeeeee meee— massive sort of push through the russian lines at— massive sort of push through the russian lines at the moment so he russian lines at the moment so me ee— russian lines at the moment so me mem— russian lines at the moment so he can hold that— russian lines at the moment so he can hold that firm in ukraine meee— he can hold that firm in ukraine meem .— he can hold that firm in ukraine meem . am— he can hold that firm in ukraine itself . and it's— he can hold that firm in ukraine itself . and it's really a itself. and it's really a eeeeeee— itself. and it's really a question of— itself. and it's really a question of how he reassert mee.— question of how he reassert eme. .— question of how he reassert eme. . eeeeeee— question of how he reassert this. i suppose internally, his eememw— this. i suppose internally, his authority that— this. i suppose internally, his authority that now matters very eeeem — authority that now matters very eeeem me— authority that now matters very much for talking— authority that now matters very much for talking us through mm. — much for talking us through mm. ee. — much for talking us through that. dr. alan— much for talking us through that. i '.eit“ ileit: that. dr. alan mendoza, executive director at the henry jackson society , thank you very jackson society, thank you very much indeed for your time this afternoon. so we'll be coming back to that in just one moment. you are watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. please do keep your views coming what do you views coming in. what do you make situation

make of the current situation in russia? more russia? we've got lots more coming up on today's show to prime rishi is to prime minister rishi sunak is to hit households 100 and £170 hit households with 100 and £170 in terms of a net zero. green levy is this a sly attempt from the prime minister to shift costs onto consumers for his net zero plans? but first, before that, it's the news with tatiana sanchez. that, it's the news with tatiana sanchez . emily, thank you very sanchez. emily, thank you very eeeem — sanchez. emily, thank you very eeeem me— sanchez. emily, thank you very eeeem me me.— sanchez. emily, thank you very much. it's130. this— sanchez. emily, thank you very much. it's 130. this is- . emily, thank you very much. it's130. this is the emeee— much. it's130. this is the latest from _ much. it's130. this is the latest from the - much. it's130. this is the latest from the newsroom meeeee-e— latest from the newsroom russia's president says he has ewew— russia's president says he has every confidence— russia's president says he has every confidence in his troops wee— every confidence in his troops wme wee— every confidence in his troops who were on the— every confidence in his troops who were on the front line in meee— who were on the front line in their continued— who were on the front line in their continued war in ukraine. it's their continued war in ukraine. me me— their continued war in ukraine. me me me— their continued war in ukraine. it's after the leader of the weeeee— it's after the leader of the wagner mercenary group is now to meee— wagner mercenary group is now to meet m— wagner mercenary group is now to head to belarus.— wagner mercenary group is now to head to belarus. last night, he pulled— head to belarus. last night, he eemee me— head to belarus. last night, he pulled his troops— head to belarus. last night, he pulled his troops out to avoid meeeemee— pulled his troops out to avoid bloodshed as— pulled his troops out to avoid bloodshed as they headed for meeeew— bloodshed as they headed for moscow-what's— bloodshed as they headed for moscow what's being described moscow on what's being described as moscow on what's being described ee eee meeeeeeee— moscow on what's being described as an attempted coup. they were on as an attempted coup. they were eee meee— as an attempted coup. they were eee meee wew— as an attempted coup. they were eee meee wew m— as an attempted coup. they were on their way to remove russian commanders that— on their way to remove russian commanders that yevgeny meeezme— commanders that yevgeny prigozhin-for- commanders that yevgeny- prigozhin-for mishandling prigozhin blames for mishandling the prigozhin blames for mishandling me wee— prigozhin blames for mishandling me m— prigozhin blames for mishandling the war in ukraine. _ prigozhin blames for mishandling the war in ukraine. a ukrainian mp.— the war in ukraine. a ukrainian mm mekeew— the war in ukraine. a ukrainian mp, aleksey goncharenko, eemewee— mp, aleksey goncharenko, believes putin's time is running

out believes putin's time is running eee . — believes putin's time is running out . definitely,— believes putin's time is running out . definitely, if— believes putin's time is running out. definitely, if this- believes putin's time is running out . iei; t“ .clg �*" "g out. definitely, if this mutiny would continue, several days longer , batus several weeks longer, batus several weeks longer, batus several weeks longer, that will be the end of russian army in ukraine. it was too quick to exploit it for our army . it was just in 24 hours. army. it was just in 24 hours. so no, i don't think that now it will in short term will change something on the battlefield . something on the battlefield. but on the middle term, it showed . how weak is russia and showed. how weak is russia and i'm even more sure today in ukrainian victory than before . ukrainian victory than before. the chancellor says raising meeeeee— the chancellor says raising interest rates— the chancellor says raising interest rates is— the chancellor says raising interest rates is one of the eeeee— interest rates is one of the most effective _ interest rates is one of the most effective methods to kerb mmmee. — most effective methods to kerb inflation. this— most effective methods to kerb inflation. this week, rates were meee— inflation. this week, rates were meee ee— inflation. this week, rates were meee ee m— inflation. this week, rates were meee ee m 5m— inflation. this week, rates were hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the mm— hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the eem eee— hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the eem m— hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in a— hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in a row— hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in a row and the emeeeeee— 13th rise in a row and the sharpest increase since eememw— sharpest increase since february. writing in the mail on sundave— february. writing in the mail on seeeew. jeremy— february. writing in the mail on sunday, jeremy hunt is urging meee— sunday, jeremy hunt is urging those struggling— sunday, jeremy hunt is urging those struggling to be patient mm— those struggling to be patient mm me— those struggling to be patient with the painful— those struggling to be patient with the painful measures . all with the painful measures. all all with the painful measures. all me eeme— with the painful measures. all all state secondary schools in meeeee— all state secondary schools in moeeee ee— all state secondary schools in

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channel. britain's news. channel welcome— channel. britain's news. channel wemeeee eem— channel. britain's news. channel welcome back to— channel. britain's news. channel welcome back to gb— channel. britain's news. channel welcome back to gb news- channel. britain's news. channel welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver on your onune with me, emily carver on your online and radio. now you've been getting in touch with me. i've got my inbox open here. you've been getting in touch on the wagner group rebellion , john the wagner group rebellion, john has to say. he says the leader of the wagner group needs to be very careful and not eat or dnnk very careful and not eat or drink anything for prepared him as is the as the belarus dictator is the number of and number one friend of putin and i can him being poisoned or can see him being poisoned or disappear entirely. can see him being poisoned or disappear entirely . well, there disappear entirely. well, there you go. strong stuff. i imagine thatis you go. strong stuff. i imagine that is definitely a concern . that is definitely a concern. that's something that alan mendoza also mentioned. mentioned could possible mentioned could be a possible motty. we've also got what happensin motty. we've also got what happens in belarus, more than likely takeover by the wagner group on the instructions of putin. well, we shall see how things pan out. but moving on to something different. but very you know, this is a big deal in this country. i think taxpayers could be facing a £170 a year green levy on top of their energy bills within just a few days , the government will, as it

days, the government will, as it as planned, suddenly cut off its subsidy for the net zero charge. the two year suspension of green levies, which came into place just six months ago, were reportedly at the start of reportedly end at the start of july, according to the telegraph. the government is placing back on placing the cost back on households energy bills are households as energy bills are set fall by average of set to fall by an average of almost £500 next month. so let's see what my panel make of this former brexit mep former brexit party mep ben habib me on the sofa and habib is with me on the sofa and political commentator matthew stadlen. . now £170 back on stadlen. so. now £170 back on our bills , green levies, should our bills, green levies, should we scrap them altogether ? ben we scrap them altogether? ben absolutely. i'm very i g , ben absolutely. i'm very critical of mm— absolutely. i'm very critical of mm meew— absolutely. i'm very critical of mm eeeew .— absolutely. i'm very critical of that policy . you— absolutely. i'm very critical of that policy . you know , in march that policy. you know, in march mm.— that policy. you know, in march zoze me— that policy. you know, in march 2021, the government signed the mm— 2021, the government signed the mm see— 2021, the government signed the north sea transition deal with wmem— north sea transition deal with wmem wee— north sea transition deal with wmem wee mew— north sea transition deal with which you may be familiar , which which you may be familiar, which was which you may be familiar, which eememw— which you may be familiar, which was basically a— which you may be familiar, which was basically a wilful decision to was basically a wilful decision m mee— was basically a wilful decision m emee eewe— was basically a wilful decision to shut down north sea oil and gas— to shut down north sea oil and eee eee— to shut down north sea oil and gas and instead— to shut down north sea oil and gas and instead to— to shut down north sea oil and gas and instead to move towards ememeee— gas and instead to move towards ememeee mm— gas and instead to move towards offshore wind energy and to eeme— offshore wind energy and to bring mee.— offshore wind energy and to bring reee. ee— offshore wind energy and to bring jobs, as they put it in mweeeee— bring jobs, as they put it in inverted commas, back onto the, you— inverted commas, back onto the, wee mew.— inverted commas, back onto the, wee mew. eeem— inverted commas, back onto the, you know, back onto on to terra

meee— you know, back onto on to terra meeee meeeee— you know, back onto on to terra firma through renewable energies and firma through renewable energies eee meeew.— firma through renewable energies and actually, as— firma through renewable energies and actually, as we emerge from memewe— and actually, as we emerge from memewe .— and actually, as we emerge from lockdown , that— and actually, as we emerge from lockdown , that was in march 2021 lockdown, that was in march 2021 as lockdown, that was in march 2021 ee eem— lockdown, that was in march 2021 ee eeee ee— lockdown, that was in march 2021 ee eeee ee me— lockdown, that was in march 2021 as part of the build— lockdown, that was in march 2021 as part of the build back eeeme-— as part of the build back eeeeee. ee— as part of the build back better. do you- as part of the build back better. do you remember that eeem— better. do you remember that eeme meek— better. do you remember that build back better? i do remember mm— build back better? i do remember mm eeeee— build back better? i do remember mm eem— build back better? i do remember that some sort of— build back better? i do remember that some sort of build back eeeme— that some sort of build back eeeeee we— that some sort of build back better we got— that some sort of build back better we got from lockdowns eewwew. —eeeeei anyway. as we emerged from memewee— anyway. as we emerged from lockdowns, - a - anyway. as we emerged from lockdowns, a massive lockdowns, we had a massive eewe— lockdowns, we had a massive eeme m— lockdowns, we had a massive eeme m meee— lockdowns, we had a massive spike in fuel and— lockdowns, we had a massive spike in fuel and we've got this meee— spike in fuel and we've got this idiotic situation— spike in fuel and we've got this idiotic situation now where our meem— idiotic situation now where our meem eee— idiotic situation now where our meem see eee— idiotic situation now where our north sea gas reserves aren't weemee. — north sea gas reserves aren't weemee. eee— north sea gas reserves aren't working. our biggest reserve has meee— working. our biggest reserve has meee-eewe.— working. our biggest reserve has been - down. - not - been shut down. we're not eeeeme— been shut down. we're not eeeemo ew— been shut down. we're not issuing new licences for the ememeee— issuing new licences for the ememeee ee— issuing new licences for the extraction of gas— issuing new licences for the extraction of gas and oil. we're eeememw— extraction of gas and oil. we're basically taxing— extraction of gas and oil. we're basically taxing the hell out of the basically taxing the hell out of me meee— basically taxing the hell out of the fossil fuel— basically taxing the hell out of the fossil fuel industry and at the fossil fuel industry and at eme-mee— the fossil fuel industry and at the _time instead- the fossil fuel industry and at the time instead of using the same time instead of using our own resources,— the same time instead of using our own resources, we're meeeeee— our own resources, we're importing buying fracked gas meee— importing buying fracked gas eeeee me— importing buying fracked gas eeeee me ms— importing buying fracked gas from the us in— importing buying fracked gas from the us in the form of eeem— from the us in the form of liquid natural— from the us in the form of liquid natural gas , which, you liquid natural gas, which, you knew.— liquid natural gas, which, you knew. ee— liquid natural gas, which, you know, is vastly— liquid natural gas, which, you know, is vastly more carbon ememee— know, is vastly more carbon emitting because it has to be ememee— emitting because it has to be ememeee m— emitting because it has to be extracted in the— emitting because it has to be extracted in the us feel good, eee— extracted in the us feel good, be m— extracted in the us feel good, be m eeeme— extracted in the us feel good, but it makes people feel good. am— but it makes people feel good. am mee— but it makes people feel good. am mee ee— but it makes people feel good. and then on top— but it makes people feel good. and then on top of that, isn't it? and then on top of that, isn't me am— and then on top of that, isn't me am me— and then on top of that, isn't it? and the other— and then on top of that, isn't it? and the other the other mme— it? and the other the other mme mm— it? and the other the other mme mm .— it? and the other the other thing that i just one more thing eeme.— thing that i just one more thing before, before— thing that i just one more thing before, before you— thing that i just one more thing before, before you go is people mee— before, before you go is people keep eewmo— before, before you go is people keep saying that,— before, before you go is people keep saying that, you know, if you— keep saying that, you know, if wee-meee.— keep saying that, you know, if wee-meee. me— keep saying that, you know, if you taxes, it's going to be

you cut taxes, it's going to be mmmeeeew. — inflationary. well, here's a tax mee-e— inflationary. well, here's a tax mme-eeme- inflationary. well, here's a tax that's being imposed that's actually being imposed eee— that's actually being imposed eee me— that's actually being imposed eee m-e going— that's actually being imposed and it's going to— that's actually being imposed and it's going to be inflationary . it'll show up in inflationary. it'll show up in me— inflationary. it'll show up in the inflation— inflationary. it'll show up in the inflation numbers as the mm— the inflation numbers as the eeeeleeee— the inflation numbers as the costlfuel going- the inflation numbers as the cost fuel going up. he's cost of fuel going up. he's meme— cost of fuel going up. he's meme m— cost of fuel going up. he's adding to the— cost of fuel going up. he's adding to the problem . that's adding to the problem. that's wmm— adding to the problem. that's wmm mem — adding to the problem. that's what rishi sunak is doing . what rishi sunak is doing. wee.— what rishi sunak is doing. mem. meee— what rishi sunak is doing. well, there you _ what rishi sunak is doing. well, there you go. - what rishi sunak is doing. well, there you go. matthew, how can you argue with that? well, i hope quite convincing- can you argue with that? well, i hope quite convincing me.- i t“ g .“i.7 well, i hope quite convincing me. no, mee— hope quite convincing me. no, mem .— hope quite convincing me. no, mem . eee-e— hope quite convincing me. no, look, i don't think— hope quite convincing me. no, look, i don't think this look, i don't think that this eew— look, i don't think that this levy-imposed. look, i don't think that this. levy-imposed willy levy should be imposed willy meew— levy should be imposed willy mmw ee— levy should be imposed willy nilly on home— levy should be imposed willy nilly on home owners because we eee-e— nilly on home owners because we eee-e we— nilly on home owners because we eee-e we eee-e— nilly on home owners because we can't we don't all— nilly on home owners because we can't we don't all have the same eeemm— can't we don't all have the same eeemm ee— can't we don't all have the same breadth of shoulders. right. seme— breadth of shoulders. right. seeee eeeme— breadth of shoulders. right. some people can afford to give a bit some people can afford to give a eem-seme— some people can afford to give a bit-some people- some people can afford to give a bit some people can't do bit more. some people can't do so bit more. some people can't do ee .— bit more. some people can't do ee . eee— bit more. some people can't do so i see where— bit more. some people can't do so i see where we're going with me— so i see where we're going with me eee— so i see where we're going with this tax distribution, wealth distribution— this tax distribution, wealth distribution .— this tax distribution, wealth distribution . well, and you distribution. well, and you meee.— distribution. well, and you eeeom eee— distribution. well, and you laugh, but actually i think a lot laugh, but actually i think a m ee— laugh, but actually i think a m m eeeme— laugh, but actually i think a lot of people in— laugh, but actually i think a lot of people in this country eeem— lot of people in this country weem-eee— lot of people in this country would-and it's- lot of people in this country would and it's not just would think and it's not just me— would think and it's not just eme-mm.— would think and it's not just the-rich,-people. would think and it's not just. the-rich,-people who the super rich, but people who emem— the super rich, but people who can afford to— the super rich, but people who can afford to give— the super rich, but people who can afford to give a more can afford to give a bit more emem— can afford to give a bit more eeeme—m- can afford to give a bit more should—it beingi should rather than it being meeeee— should rather than it being imposed blanket way on imposed in a blanket way on meeeememe— imposed in a blanket way on. households._anyone households. why should anyone eewe— households. why should anyone have-subsidise- households. why should anyone have subsidise wind have to pay to subsidise wind eeemeeee — have to pay to subsidise wind turbines? can't— have to pay to subsidise wind turbines? ci t“ . i t“ . turbines? can't they can't they prove themselves on a level playing field? the cost of these eeemeee— playing field? the cost of these eeemeee-ee— turbines are going up dramatically. sorry, dramatically. i've got. sorry, sorry. you finish. it's sorry. i'll let you finish. it's two one. no, no, no, two against one. no no, no, no, no, we're on the sofa now.

no, no. we're on the sofa now. this is a gentler politics, right? because. and no, no, i'm in favour of. i'm in favour of net zero. i'm in favour of reaching our obligations to ourselves and to the wider world. we however many world. we cannot however many people might get on a show people you might get on a show and you're not one, even though you've a very smart green you've got a very smart green tie. however many people you might gb news says might get on gb news who says there's don't there's no climate crisis, don't believe science, don't believe the science, don't believe the science, don't believe experts look believe the experts. look where experts us that or experts got us on this, that or the other guy who you're talking about. the other guy who you're talking about . follow the science. about. i do follow the science. sometimes science can get it sometimes the science can get it wrong. got to go wrong. but all we've got to go on at the is the science. on at the moment is the science. the science says the the science says and the evidence it are evidence backs it up. we are getting warmer. getting getting warmer. we're getting hotter. that has will have a disastrous effect on our ability to ourselves. will have to feed ourselves. it will have a disastrous terms a disastrous effect in terms of increasing the migration crisis. more and more people want to come this country. to come to this country. we have to transition me just transition away. let me just finish. we have to transition away fossil yes. in away from fossil fuels. yes. in the very short term. the very, very, very short term. although there will be climate activists who would argue against this, gas probably is part of the present and we have to have some gas capacity, but we to transition and we have to transition away. and who that

who has to pay for that ultimately, us. whether we ultimately, it's us. whether we like it not. cannot wish like it or not. we cannot wish this i would just dispute, this away. i would just dispute, though, ben, that even if we got to net tomorrow in this to net zero tomorrow in this country, it would have any country, that it would have any effect on the global temperature because we've china because as as we've seen, china is building and more coal is building more and more coal plants. and if you believe that eee— plants. and if you believe that carbon emissions— and if you believe that carbon emissions will lead to emem— carbon emissions will lead to global warming,— carbon emissions will lead to global warming, then what we do eee-e— global warming, then what we do eee-e eeme— global warming, then what we do eee-e going m— global warming, then what we do isn't going to have— global warming, then what we do isn't going to have any. is it going— isn't going to have any. is it going m— isn't going to have any. is it going m eewe— isn't going to have any. is it going to have any impact on global— going to have any impact on global defeated? . i...“ei going to have any impact on global defeated? . ie...“ei global defeated? it's such a defeatist impoverishing our people in the hope, the impoverished, the super rich. hang on, hang on. billionaires these are green levies. these are green levies on ordinary people struggling to put food on their table. people struggling to put food on theirtable. i've people struggling to put food on their table. i've made that argument. shouldn't be on argument. they shouldn't be on ordinary that's ordinary people. well, that's how goes. otherwise, it how it goes. otherwise, it meee-e.— how it goes. otherwise, it- meee-e—mewe how it goes. otherwise, it- doesn't. _have to doesn't. otherwise you'd have to eeme. —eee- critic. otherwise it's not enough- — critic. otherwise it's not enough. taxes- critic. otherwise it's not enough. eiwxeitie ”eii; critic. otherwise it's not enough. eiwxeitie mei; mei; enough. taxes are taxes are already at a 70 year high. you know, at some point as high know, at some point not as high as of european countries as in lots of european countries or european countries. or certain european countries. well, sure if that's well, i'm not sure if that's eee— well, i'm not sure if that's true anymore.— well, i'm not sure if that's true anymore. _ well, i'm not sure if that's true anymore. . ”ce“; true anymore. it's a really interesting you make. and interesting point you make. and i to digress off. we i don't want to digress off. we can come back to that at some

point, maybe off screen, but, you already at a you know, taxes are already at a 70 year high. there's a limit to how redistribution how much wealth redistribution you can do without actually breaking the economy of the united kingdom. here's the united kingdom. but here's the really about our really idiotic thing about our approach to zero. we've approach to net zero. we've offshored a lot of our carbon emissions to china. you know, we make it look like we're not actually burning that many carbon fuels in this country . carbon fuels in this country. but the wind turbines, for example , that we use in offshore example, that we use in offshore and onshore renewable productions, they all come from china and their cost is going up and they all emit vast amounts of carbon when they're made. so you know, we haven't got joined up thinking and you said it earlier, emily, that it makes us feel better about it. and i just want to digress very important point. very quickly, very quickly, very quickly. and us , quickly, very quickly. and us, we'll come back to you. the us has the inflation reduction act, which biggest spending which is the biggest spending towards what it calls what it calls the climate crisis, our form of net zero. and it's doing that. however $369 billion was

spent. it's doing that from a position of utter strength. it can do it because as it is carbon fossil fuel independent, it's the biggest producer of oil in the world. it's the biggest producer of gas in the world. so they can take the green agenda and they can do it from a position of strength. we on the other hand, cut off north other hand, have cut off north sea, off our legs, and now sea, cut off our legs, and now we're transitioning we we're transitioning what we should have done was make sure that fossil fuel, that we're fossil fuel, independent, capable of sustaining our needs and those of the working in middle classes about you're rightly about whom you're rightly concerned as we develop the concerned as as we develop the technology we like, the us, is to come in and pick it up. well, this is the thing i- well, this is the thing i don't meek— well, this is the thing i don't think there's— well, this is the thing i don't think there's anyone, matthew, wee— think there's anyone, matthew, wme meee-e— think there's anyone, matthew, who doesn't want— think there's anyone, matthew, who doesn't want us to transition _ who doesn't want us to transition to - who doesn't want us to transition to greener technology. ”e“ziti; transition to greener technology. ”iii: ”iii: transition to greener- technology. there are there transition to greener— technology. there are there are plenty i don't think plenty of people. i don't think so oil and gas so because the oil and gas companies themselves are investing billions into new, greener making energy greener ways of making energy essentially producing energy. we haven't entirely cut off meem— we haven't entirely cut off meem see— we haven't entirely cut off north sea oil. _ we haven't entirely cut off north sea oil. in fact, there's a north sea oil. in fact, there's e meee— north sea oil. in fact, there's a huge hullabaloo about new meeeeee— a huge hullabaloo about new licences being— a huge hullabaloo about new licences being granted, as far as licences being granted, as far ee .— licences being granted, as far as i understand— licences being granted, as far as i understand ,_ licences being granted, as far

as i understand , and starmer as i understand, and starmer eem—ee- as i understand, and starmer. eem—eelemme said there wouldn't be a single meeeee— said there wouldn't be a single meeeeelee— said there wouldn't be a single licencelhe gets— said there wouldn't be a single licence he gets elected just licence if he gets elected just to licence if he gets elected just m-m— licence if he gets elected just m-m-weew- licence if he gets elected just to-to-very quickly. to just to deal very quickly mm— to just to deal very quickly eem-eeme- to just to deal very quickly with-point that. to just to deal very quickly with point that is with the china point that is ememee— with the china point that is defeatist-it— with the china point that is defeatist-it is- defeatist and it is reductionist. of defeatist and it is- reductionist.-of course, reductionist. yes, of course, mee— reductionist. yes, of course, eme-meee— reductionist. yes, of course, this about making this isn't about making ourselves— this isn't about making ourselves not ourselves feel better. it is not meee— ourselves feel better. it is not meee eeemee— ourselves feel better. it is not about making ourselves feel eeeme-— about making ourselves feel eeeeee. we— about making ourselves feel better. we have— about making ourselves feel better. we have to have emmeee— better. we have to have ruthless, strong, good policies . me— ruthless, strong, good policies . me eee— ruthless, strong, good policies . it's not saying,— ruthless, strong, good policies . it's not saying, oh, we can be eeeme— . it's not saying, oh, we can be eeeeee mee— . it's not saying, oh, we can be better than china,— . it's not saying, oh, we can be better than china, it is better than china, but it is mee— better than china, but it is mee meee— better than china, but it is also about leadership. how can we eee— also about leadership. how can we put pressure?— also about leadership. how can we put pressure? how can rishi eeem— we put pressure? how can rishi sunak-starmer- we put pressure? how can rishi sunak starmer put sunak or keir starmer put eeeeeeeeele— sunak or keir starmer put pressure on china and so pressure on on china and so mmm— pressure on on china and so meme m— pressure on on china and so meme m we— pressure on on china and so forth? if we are— pressure on on china and so forth? if we are not taking a eeme— forth? if we are not taking a meet? .— forth? if we are not taking a meet? . weeew— forth? if we are not taking a lead? i worry that don't lead? i worry that they don't meee— lead? i worry that they don't meee-eeem— lead? i worry that they don't have much influence have that much influence because the have that much influence because me—eeewe- the more pressure we move mweme— the more pressure we move mweme-eeeee— the more pressure we move towards-more we- the more pressure we move towards more we move the more pressure we move towards more we move towards towards the more we move towards a towards the more we move towards e meee— towards the more we move towards e green meeeeme— towards the more we move towards a green blueprint.|_ towards the more we move towards a green blueprint i we a green blueprint it i think we mm— a green blueprint it i think we mm eeee— a green blueprint it i think we will become a— a green blueprint it i think we will become a stronger, more eeeeee— will become a stronger, more robust economy— will become a stronger, more robust economy .— will become a stronger, more robust economy . ultimately, we robust economy. ultimately, we mm— robust economy. ultimately, we mm eeee — robust economy. ultimately, we will become more— robust economy. ultimately, we will become more independent and we eewe— will become more independent and we mewe m— will become more independent and we have to move— will become more independent and we have to move in— will become more independent and we have to move in the right ememeee-— we have to move in the right direction. transition pretty direction. we transition pretty emeemeew— direction. we transition pretty effectively _end - direction. we transition pretty. effectively - end _from effectively in the end away from eem— effectively in the end away from eem-eemem— effectively in the end away from coal, .without l lot - effectively in the end away from coal,-withoutllot of- effectively in the end away from coal, without lot of pain, coal, not without a lot of pain, eee— coal, not without a lot of pain, eee eemem— coal, not without a lot of pain, not without a _ coal, not without a lot of pain, not without a lot— coal, not without a lot of pain, not without a lot of pain for me— not without a lot of pain for eme-we— not without a lot of pain for me-we meee- not without a lot of pain fori the-we have-keep the miners. we have to keep going— the miners. we have to keep going eeemee— the miners. we have to keep going because as i said, while it going because as i said, while m eee-e— going because as i said, while it isn't about— going because as i said, while it isn't about making ourselves meee—eee- it isn't about making ourselves feel—not about. feel better, this is not about meee— feel better, this is not about virtue signalling. i agree. at me—ee- virtue signalling. i agree. at me—ee .- virtue signalling. i agree. at me—ee . eew- virtue signalling. i agree. at| the—as i say, you the same time, as i say, you eeeeee— the same time, as i say, you emeee mem— the same time, as i say, you cannot wish away- the same time, as i say, you cannot wish away the reality, eee— cannot wish away the reality, eeelemm— cannot wish away the reality, butlthink keir— cannot wish away the reality, but think keir starmer has. but i think keir starmer has. meee— but i think keir starmer has. meee-m— but i think keir starmer has. we've-to move—

but i think keir starmer has. we've-to move-to- but i think keir starmer has. we've-to move-to ourl but i think keir starmer has. . we've-to move .to our next we've got to move on to our next topic, which i'm sure will be just as punchy and perhaps there's case waste of there's another case of waste of taxpayers migrant taxpayers money, perhaps migrant hotel soar to £11 hotel costs could soar to £11 billion a year if the small boats bill fails. that's the illegal migration bill. government analysis suggests this rising this is due to the rising number of adding the of arrivals adding to the growing according growing backlog. according to the figures, the home office figures, thousands albanian thousands of albanian asylum seekers the english seekers who crossed the english channel small boats also channel in small boats are also absconding hotels. we're absconding from hotels. so we're paying absconding from hotels. so we're paying hotel accommodation. paying for hotel accommodation. then are abandoning those then people are abandoning those hotels, to work in hotels, presumably to work in the black market or to meet friends that they already have over just over 6000 over here. just over 6000 asylum claims withdrawn between claims were withdrawn between january march. senior home january and march. senior home office sources say the government since lost track government has since lost track of the withdrawal of most of the withdrawal applicants, as many disappeared from accommodation did from their accommodation or did not turn up for interviews. well, there was a lot there. there lot there. there was there was a lot there. there was a lot there. there was a lot to take in there in that introduction. but i think this startling analysis from the government that hotel government itself that hotel actually i'll start with you, matthew . 11 billion a year on matthew. 11 billion a year on migrant hotel costs . it

matthew. 11 billion a year on migrant hotel costs. it is extraordinary at a time when people are are well choosing how to feed their families and finding it extremely difficult to balance all of their expenses . inflation still high. how on earth can anyone justify this cost? the question is what is me— cost? the question is what is the alternative?— i7 the question is what is the alternative? what do we do? meee— the alternative? what do we do? meee ee— the alternative? what do we do? meee m— the alternative? what do we do? there are 11 million— the alternative? what do we do? there are 11 million of us at me— there are 11 million of us at me eeeeeem— there are 11 million of us at the moment who - there are 11 million of us at the moment who are struggling to pay the moment who are struggling to pew eee— the moment who are struggling to pew mme-— the moment who are struggling to pay our bills. right. and that is pay our bills. right. and that re eeeeemme— pay our bills. right. and that is something we— pay our bills. right. and that is something we should have a meee— is something we should have a razor sharp focus— is something we should have a razor sharp focus on. and we eee-e— razor sharp focus on. and we eee-e eeeeeee— razor sharp focus on. and we don't because we— razor sharp focus on. and we don't because we get distracted by eemeee— don't because we get distracted by culture wars. _ don't because we get distracted by culture wars. we get distracted _ by culture wars. we get distracted by- by culture wars. we get distracted by hate. we get distracted— distracted by hate. we get distracted by— distracted by hate. we get distracted by all sorts of meee— distracted by all sorts of things because it's easier to eem— things because it's easier to eem meee.— things because it's easier to talk about. we— things because it's easier to talk about. we can think about mee— talk about. we can think about more than-thing- talk about. we can think about more than thing at a time. more than one thing at a time. meee— more than one thing at a time. meee wee— more than one thing at a time. meee wee weew— more than one thing at a time. sure thank you very much. sure enough, they're all- sure enough, they're all joined by a lot enough, they're all joined by a m e— enough, they're all joined by a m e m— enough, they're all joined by a m e m ee— enough, they're all joined by a lot a lot of media— enough, they're all joined by a lot a lot of media coverage. eeeme— lot a lot of media coverage. eeeme mee— lot a lot of media coverage. farage does focus— lot a lot of media coverage. farage does focus on- lot a lot of media coverage. farage does focus on those things. if you look at tabloids, if look sometimes at if you look sometimes at the telegraph forth, because telegraph and so forth, because it's have to have it's clickbait, we have to have serious, responsible conversation about how conversation sessions about how we drive inflation down. is the

is the government, is the bank of england doing well enough when mortgage rates go up to try to bring inflation down? what about the migrant home coming but inflation stays high. then people are getting hit doubly as far migrant hotels far as the migrant hotels because people are constantly being full of being rammed full of anti—migrant anti asylum seeker rhetoric. a lot of it which is hateful, hateful and some of it which is underpinned in my view, by tacit racism. the result is that people feel very, very angry about this and i get some of it because people are really struggling. so to see people coming in overseas and coming in from overseas and getting sort of help can be getting some sort of help can be infuriating. but just remember this all, it's not this. first of all, it's not much a life to be stuck in a much of a life to be stuck in a hotel room, unable to work. it's not much of a life being on £7 a week or whatever. and we do like it or not, just as we have responsibilities to the climate crisis, though it can be painful. we have responsibilities to other human beings who are in desperate positions. we positions. do i think we should have borders? do have open borders? no. do i think that we should get a control on in control of what's going on in

the yes. but once the channel? yes. but once people get here, we have to treat them humanely. but you know, is up treat them humanely. but you know,-is-up when- treat them humanely. but you. know,-is-up when people know, why is me up when people saylihink— know, why is me up when people eewlmmk me— know, why is me up when people eewlmmk m e— know, why is me up when people sayithink it's a bit— know, why is me up when people say think it's a bit lazy, to say i think it's a bit lazy, to be say i think it's a bit lazy, to me meeeeee— say i think it's a bit lazy, to be honest? matthew but but when eeeme— be honest? matthew but but when eeeme-ee— be honest? matthew but but when eeeme-ow. me— be honest? matthew but but when people-oh, it's just- be honest? matthew but but when people oh, it's just the people say, oh, it's just the eememe— people say, oh, it's just the eememe-ee- people say, oh, it's just the tabloids up hate, people say, oh, it's just the. tabloids-up hate, you tabloids whipping up hate, you knew.— tabloids whipping up hate, you know,-wouldn't- tabloids whipping up hate, you know, wouldn't care so know, people wouldn't care so eeem— know, people wouldn't care so eeeem meee— know, people wouldn't care so much about the _ know, people wouldn't care so much about the levels of immigration— much about the levels of immigration or- much about the levels of immigration or the well, our eeeeeee— immigration or the well, our poorest borders— immigration or the well, our poorest borders essentially, or the poorest borders essentially, or me eeeeew— poorest borders essentially, or the money we're— poorest borders essentially, or the money we're spending on meee— the money we're spending on these hotels. _ the money we're spending on these hotels. if— the money we're spending on these hotels. if it— the money we're spending on these hotels. if it wasn't wmeeee— these hotels. if it wasn't wmeeeelee- these hotels. if it wasn't whipped so much by media these hotels. if it wasn't- whipped.so much by media who whipped up so much by media who are whipped up so much by media who eeeme.— whipped up so much by media who are hostile,iactually_ whipped up so much by media who are hostile, actually think are hostile, i actually think mm— are hostile, i actually think that british _ are hostile, i actually think that british people know when eeeeemme— that british people know when something-look- that british people know when something look right and something doesn't look right and whee— something doesn't look right and whee-eee— something doesn't look right and whee-eee .— something doesn't look right and when-fair . and- something doesn't look right and when fair . and they do when it is not fair. and they do mm— when it is not fair. and they do mm eee— when it is not fair. and they do see that our well,— when it is not fair. and they do see that our well, you could say our tolerance,— see that our well, you could say our tolerance, our— see that our well, you could say our tolerance, our system, wmmewee— our tolerance, our system, wmmewee ee— our tolerance, our system, whatever is being taken ememeee— whatever is being taken advantage of- whatever is being taken advantage of . t“ advantage of. i mean, this is not just optics . this is serious not just optics. this is serious cost to the exchequer . you know, cost to the exchequer. you know, we're talking about at the moment, government figures suggest that it's costing us 2.5 billion a year. i bet it's a lot more than that. when we take it all into account . but let's just all into account. but let's just take the 2.5 billion a year. that's half a% off the basic rate of tax for the working, for the working classes and middle classes for all of us, frankly.

but a really interesting but it's a really interesting point you made, matthew. towards the we've got to the end, you said we've got to get control of what's going on get a control of what's going on in the channel, but once people are here, we've got to look after what did you mean after them. what did you mean about getting control of what i would do? and i think and i'm not would do? and i think and i'm m e— would do? and i think and i'm m e eee— would do? and i think and i'm m e eee ee— would do? and i think and i'm not a fan of this— : e:mite7 and i think and i'm not a fan of this government as you— not a fan of this government as wee eeeeeeeeeew— not a fan of this government as you presumably know, nor am i, mmeeem— you presumably know, nor am i, mmeeom wee— you presumably know, nor am i, although you don't— you presumably know, nor am i, although you don't follow me on ewmeee— although you don't follow me on eeeme—me.- although you don't follow me on twitter—no, i'm- twitter yet, ben. but no, i'm eee— twitter yet, ben. but no, i'm eeeleee— twitter yet, ben. but no, i'm eeeleee ee— twitter yet, ben. but no, i'm notlfan of this— twitter yet, ben. but no, i'm not fan of this government. not a fan of this government. meee— not a fan of this government. whee-mem — not a fan of this government. what rishi sunak did what i think rishi sunak did eeeeemme—el what i think rishi sunak did. something—a proper something of was start a proper ememeee—mel dialogue with the french. now the dialogue with the french. now me me— dialogue with the french. now the eu countries— dialogue with the french. now the eu countries are not very wem— the eu countries are not very well disposed— the eu countries are not very well disposed towards us the well disposed towards us at the eeeeeem — well disposed towards us at the moment. everything is moment. you say everything is eeeeemem— moment. you say everything is connected. part— moment. you say everything is connected. part of— moment. you say everything is connected. part of that is eeemee— because people like you championed— championed brexit and so they're not championed brexit and so they're eee very— championed brexit and so they're not very happy— championed brexit and so they're not very happy with us, i don't mmm— not very happy with us, i don't mmm .— not very happy with us, i don't think. i think— not very happy with us, i don't think. i think that's small ememee— think. i think that's small minded-but- think. i think that's small minded-but i. think. i think that's small minded but i think think. i think that's small- minded-but i think it's minded of them, but i think it's a minded of them, but i think it's e eeemw— minded of them, but i think it's a reality nonetheless. what we, our a reality nonetheless. what we, eeeeeee— a reality nonetheless. what we, our leaders- be - a reality nonetheless. what we, our leaders be doing is our leaders should be doing is mewee—eeweei having responsible high level conversations— having responsible high level conversations our partners having responsible high level co europe ons our partners having responsible high level co europe and our partners having responsible high level co europe and tryinng partners having responsible high level co europe and trying to 3artners having responsible high level co europe and trying to find ers in europe and trying to find a way— in europe and trying to find a wew m— in europe and trying to find a wew m eeme— in europe and trying to find a way to make sure— in europe and trying to find a way to make sure that people do not way to make sure that people do eee eee— way to make sure that people do eee eee ee— way to make sure that people do not get on these— way to make sure that people do not get on these boats in the meee— not get on these boats in the mm meee.— not get on these boats in the first place, because once they eee-eeme.— first place, because once they eee-eeeee. wee- first place, because once they are boats, you have to are on the boats, you have to meee.— are on the boats, you have to save them.-at- are on the boats, you have to save them. at what happened save them. look at what happened just save them. look at what happened mee-me— save them. look at what happened mee-me eeee— save them. look at what happened just-the coast. let— save them. look at what happened just the coast. let me just off the coast. let me mmem— just off the coast. let me mmem me— just off the coast. let me finish the point, because look finiin the point, because look at finish the point, because look m—em-

finish the point, because look m—em me- finish the point, because looki at_off the coast at what happened off the coast of at what happened off the coast ee-eee— at what happened off the coast of-and greece— at what happened off the coast of-and greece the- at what happened off the coast of and greece the other of italy and greece the other eew. — of italy and greece the other eew. we-we— of italy and greece the other day. we've been— of italy and greece the other day. we've been obsessed by me.— day. we've been obsessed by eme—weeeei this. the submersible where eememw— this. the submersible where tragically_died.| tragically five people died. and i a tragically five people died. and i-a billionaire's-is- i think a billionaire's life is eeem— i think a billionaire's life is weem-me— i think a billionaire's life is worth-bit as- i think a billionaire's life is worth bit as much as worth every bit as much as eeeewe— worth every bit as much as everyone else's_ worth every bit as much as everyone else's life. the eeemeee — everyone else's life. the problem didn't focus on problem is we didn't focus on me— problem is we didn't focus on me eeeme— problem is we didn't focus on me eeeme ee— problem is we didn't focus on 750 people on a— problem is we didn't focus on 750 people on a boat that eeeeezee— 750 people on a boat that capsized and— 750 people on a boat that capsized and 100 children. they mm— capsized and 100 children. they mm ee— capsized and 100 children. they had no choice.— capsized and 100 children. they had no choice. 100— capsized and 100 children. they had no choice. 100 children meeew— had no choice. 100 children eemw eeem— had no choice. 100 children below deck, 500- had no choice. 100 children below deck, 500 people presumed eem— below deck, 500 people presumed eem .— below deck, 500 people presumed eem . ee— below deck, 500 people presumed eem . 0. me— below deck, 500 people presumed dead . or it's people— below deck, 500 people presumed dead . or it's people are worried dead. or it's people are worried mm— dead. or it's people are worried mm mew— dead. or it's people are worried mm mew eewe— dead. or it's people are worried that they have died. that is a eeme— that they have died. that is a scale unimaginable. so once mew-ee— scale unimaginable. so once mew-ee ee— scale unimaginable. so once mew-ee eee me— scale unimaginable. so once they're on the sea, we have to eeem— they're on the sea, we have to eeem meee— they're on the sea, we have to treat them as— they're on the sea, we have to treat them as we _ they're on the sea, we have to treat them as we would treat weee— treat them as we would treat weee meeew— treat them as we would treat weee eeemew ee— treat them as we would treat your family or my family or meew-e— your family or my family or emily's family— your family or my family or emily's family and save them once-our country. l emily's family and save them once our country. we once they're in our country. we mee— once they're in our country. we mee-meee— once they're in our country. we also-treat them- also have to treat them meeeeeetw— also have to treat them humanely. believe me, also have to treat them- humanely.-believe me, none humanely. and believe me, none of humanely. and believe me, none ee-eeeeee.— humanely. and believe me, none bf-pebpiee m— humanely. and believe me, none bf-pebpiee m wee- humanely. and believe me, none of people, if you are of these people, if you are mem.— of these people, if you are mem. ee— of these people, if you are mem. ee wee— of these people, if you are right, do you not think that we emem— right, do you not think that we emeem ee— right, do you not think that we should be deporting people who who:— should be deporting people who wee—meeew.- who, who come here illegally, eememw— who, who come here illegally, illegally-we- who, who come here illegally, illegally, we should. illegally, of course we should. if illegally, of course we should. m mew— illegally, of course we should. m mew eee-e— illegally, of course we should. if they don't have— illegally, of course we should. if they don't have the if they don't have a claim. the eeemeee — if they don't have a claim. the eeemeee _eeee- problem is there is such a eeeweee— problem is there is such a eeeweee .— problem is there is such a backlog . and— problem is there is such a backlog . and while they're on backlog. and while they're on the backlog. and while they're on me eeeweee.— backlog. and while they're on the backlog, people, far the backlog, these people, far meee— the backlog, these people, far meee-ee— the backlog, these people, far from - up. hotels, i the backlog, these people, far from up hotels, are from living it up in hotels, are eeeme— from living it up in hotels, are rotting - hotels. - from living it up in hotels, are rotting-hotels. if- from living it up in hotels, are rotting hotels. if your rotting away in hotels. if your eeeeeemwe— rotting away in hotels. if your narrative . right— rotting away in hotels. if your narrative right that these narrative is right that these eeeme— narrative is right that these eeeme — narrative is right that these people are actually not rights, mew-ee—eeel they're not rotting away, are economic—this. they're not rotting away, arei economic—this is they're not rotting away, are. economic—this is if economic migrants. if this is if mew— economic migrants. if this is if mew-m— economic migrants. if this is if mew-m ee— economic migrants. if this is if they-to come to- economic migrants. if this is if they to come to this they want to come to this eeeeeew— they want to come to this eeemew me— they want to come to this eeemew me e— they want to come to this country for a better life, i can

assure you the— country for a better life, i can assure you the one thing that mew— assure you the one thing that mew weee— assure you the one thing that mew wem m— assure you the one thing that they want to be _ assure you the one thing that they want to be doing is setting up a— they want to be doing is setting ee e me— they want to be doing is setting up e eme-eeeme- they want to be doing is setting up a life-getting a- they want to be doing is setting up a life getting a job, up a life here, getting a job, going— up a life here, getting a job, going m— up a life here, getting a job, going m week— up a life here, getting a job, going to work and contributing. meee—meee- going to work and contributing. meee—meee ew- going to work and contributing. i hang—hang on, hang hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. difficult to on. i think it's difficult to eem— on. i think it's difficult to talk because— on. i think it's difficult to talk because it's- t“ i think it's difficult to talk because it's so difficult to talk because it's so difficult m—eeeeeeel talk because it's so difficult- to_because some to talk about this because some eeeme— to talk about this because some eeeme-me— to talk about this because some people the assumption that people make the assumption that eeewe— everyone crossing the channel is an everyone crossing the channel is ee-eeekeeleeee- everyone crossing the channel is an-seekerlfear for- an asylum seeker in fear for meee— an asylum seeker in fear for meee meee.— an asylum seeker in fear for their lives, persecuted then on their lives, persecuted then on me emee— their lives, persecuted then on the other hand,— their lives, persecuted then on the other hand, we have emily meee— the other hand, we have emily meeeeeee—- the other hand, we have emily nunn_men are- nunn of albanian men are meeemme— nunn of albanian men are absconding hotels, absconding from hotels, eeeeeeeeeew— absconding from hotels,. presumably _the absconding from hotels,- presumably-the black presumably to work in the black eeewee.— presumably to work in the black eeewee—me- market. are they coming for a lovely— market. are they coming for a lovely me— market. are they coming for a lovely life britain? no, lovely life in britain? no, mew-ee— lovely life in britain? no, mew-ee-m- lovely life in britain? no, they're to make as lovely life in britain? no,- they're-to make as much they're coming to make as much eeeeew— they're coming to make as much eeeeew ee— they're coming to make as much money as possible.— they're coming to make as much money as possible. then to money as possible. and then to go-maybee_ money as possible. and then to eee-eeewee. ee— money as possible. and then to eee-eeewee. ee m- money as possible. and then to go-maybe, or to .bel money as possible. and then to. go-maybe, or to-be in go home, maybe, or to just be in the go home, maybe, or to just be in me-weem— go home, maybe, or to just be in me-weem ee— go home, maybe, or to just be in the-world or to- go home, maybe, or to just be in the world or to just. the criminal world or to just. do the criminal world or to just. no wee— the criminal world or to just. no wee eeew— the criminal world or to just. do you know why?— the criminal world or to just. do you know why? because i have spoken to border with the idea of because these the of i have because these are the ones that's what they mean by i'm not i'm referring to i'm that's not i'm referring to a that says thousands of a report that says thousands of albanian men have absconded from hotel accommodation in this country. the also country. the criminals have also eeewee— country. the criminals have also eeeme-eeme- country. the criminals have also spoken-border a- eli]- the criminals have also spoken border a border spoken to former border a border eeme.— spoken to former border a border eeme-eeewee— spoken to former border a border staff,-control staff- spoken to former border a border staff, control staff who staff, border control staff who say— staff, border control staff who eew mm— staff, border control staff who say that there— staff, border control staff who say that there are criminal eeeeeeeee— say that there are criminal elements coming albania. elements coming from albania. eme— elements coming from albania. eme ee— elements coming from albania. this is known,— elements coming from albania. this is known, this is known. eme— this is known, this is known. eme eee-e— this is known, this is known. eme eee-e . — this is known, this is known. this isn't . hey,— this is known, this is known. this isn't . cg t““iteg this is known, this is known. this isn't . cg “it“eg this is known, this is known. this isn't . cg t“it“eg t“ this isn't. hey, hang on. this is no, first of all, i am not suggesting that people who come from albania should necessarily

have a right to stay . what we have a right to stay. what we needis have a right to stay. what we need is an efficient- . eg“. what we need is an efficient system . need is an efficient system. mee-e— need is an efficient system. mee-e why— need is an efficient system. mee-e why .— need is an efficient system. that's why i agree- need is an efficient system. that's why i agree with.- need is an efficient system. that's why i agree with. hang on, hang on. that's why i don't tar on, hang on. that's why i don't me me— on, hang on. that's why i don't tar all albanians— on, hang on. that's why i don't tar all albanians with- mitet“ i“eg mitet“ that's why i don't tar all albanians with the same meee.— tar all albanians with the same eeeem eee-e— tar all albanians with the same brush. don't tar— tar all albanians with the same brush. don't tar all people on me— brush. don't tar all people on me mm— brush. don't tar all people on the left with— brush. don't tar all people on the left with the— brush. don't tar all people on the left with the same brush. i eewe— the left with the same brush. i mewe e— the left with the same brush. i have a sensible— the left with the same brush. i have a sensible i— the left with the same brush. i have a sensible i believe, ememee— have a sensible i believe, rigorous approach to this. once eeeme— rigorous approach to this. once eeeme ee— rigorous approach to this. once eeeme m— rigorous approach to this. once people are in danger, we have to meee.— people are in danger, we have to save them. once— people are in danger, we have to save them. once people are in me— save them. once people are in eme-we— save them. once people are in eme-we eewe- save them. once people are in this-we have to- save them. once people are in this we have to treat this country, we have to treat meee — this country, we have to treat meee _e- this country, we have to treat meee — m mew- this country, we have to treat them _ if they are. this country, we have to treat. them _if they are here them humanely. if they are here eee— them humanely. if they are here eee mew— them humanely. if they are here and they shouldn't be here, they emem— and they shouldn't be here, they emeem 90— and they shouldn't be here, they should go back.— and they shouldn't be here, they should go back. whether it's meeme— should go back. whether it's albania we albania or anywhere else. but we eewe— albania or anywhere else. but we haveldeveiop_ albania or anywhere else. but we have develop better relations have to develop better relations mm— have to develop better relations weem-eeeeeeee— have to develop better relations with european partners in with our european partners in mm— with our european partners in me m— with our european partners in me m eme— with our european partners in order to stop this— with our european partners in order to stop this in the first meee.— order to stop this in the first meee-imm— order to stop this in the first place-mean, i- order to stop this in the first place-mean, i think- order to stop this in the first place. i mean, i think that is if you don't mind, i was very if you don't mind, i was so very quickly, we've to move quickly, ben, we've got to move on. actually said anything very quickly. quickly. very quickly. very quickly. very quickly. anyone on crossing from france to the united kingdom is an because they france to the united kingdom is an all because they france to the united kingdom is an all safety because they france to the united kingdom is an all safety assured they are all their safety is assured in france. are not coming in france. they are not coming across here they're across here because they're worried rights worried about human rights abuses france, unless france abuses in france, unless france is deteriorated even beyond the worst imaginations of a brexiteer, you know, know , brexiteer, you know, you know, ben, that that is a trite argument. it's not a trite eeoeeeeee. — argument. it's not a trite argument. you- argument. it's not a trite argument. you do- ieg- it's not a trite

argument. you do not have to eeew— argument. you do not have to eeek eeweeee — argument. you do not have to seek asylum in— argument. you do not have to seek asylum in the first first of seek asylum in the first first m m. — seek asylum in the first first m m. am— seek asylum in the first first of all. and second- seek asylum in the first first of all. ' “e: i: of all. and second of all, no amount money we spend on the amount of money we spend on the french given them french and we've just given them half billion is ever going to half a billion is ever going to make stop. so what are you make them stop. so what are you going to do? would you do? going to do? what would you do? know what it's know exactly what i know it's come back. would stop. i've come back. i would stop. i've got article back to it. next got the article back to it. next album, because i want to continue conversation continue this conversation because it's one because it is. well, it's one mm— because it is. well, it's one mm eeeee— because it is. well, it's one that needs to— because it is. well, it's one that needs to be— i . well, it's one that needs to be had. but it has eeew— that needs to be had. but it has been revealed— that needs to be had. but it has been revealed that— that needs to be had. but it has been revealed that the rather ememeemeew— been revealed that the rather unfortunately named healthy unfortunately named nhs healthy wemm— weight calculator has been meeeeeeeew— incorrectly advising overweight eeeme—ee- incorrectly advising overweight. people—of excess people to eat hundreds of excess ememee— people to eat hundreds of excess eeeme-eew.— people to eat hundreds of excess calories-day.-scale- people to eat hundreds of excess calories day. scale of calories per day. the scale of me— calories per day. the scale of the blunders— calories per day. the scale of the blunders was— calories per day. the scale of the blunders was so bad that eeeee—mei some of those following the eewee— some of those following thei advice—consumed advice could have consumed eeeee— advice could have consumed around—calories. around 2000 extra calories a week.— around 2000 extra calories a week. mee-e— around 2000 extra calories a week. that's the— around 2000 extra calories a week. that's the same as big week. that's the same as for big mee— week. that's the same as for big mee eeeme-— week. that's the same as for big mac burgers-that- week. that's the same as for big mac burgers. that wasn't mac burgers. so if that wasn't eee— mac burgers. so if that wasn't eee-eewee— mac burgers. so if that wasn't bad other overweight bad enough, other overweight eeeme— bad enough, other overweight eeeme-eewee- bad enough, other overweight people walked for just one people who walked for just one meee— people who walked for just one meee e— people who walked for just one meee e week— people who walked for just one hour a week registered as hour a week were registered as meeew—eel though they were working out mew.— though they were working out emw. se— though they were working out daily. so essentially, this is an daily. so essentially, this is ee-ee— daily. so essentially, this is an-of another- daily. so essentially, this is an of another nhs daily. so essentially, this is- an-of another nhs mess an example of another nhs mess up an example of another nhs mess eelweem— an example of another nhs mess up.would .joining- an example of another nhs mess up would joining me now up, i would say. joining me now is up, i would say. joining me now ee-meeeee— up, i would say. joining me now is-former presenter- up, i would say. joining me now is former presenter of fat is the former presenter of fat ememee— is the former presenter of fat families, steve— is the former presenter of fat families, steve miller. steve, meek— families, steve miller. steve, mem-eeem- families, steve miller. steve, thank-much your thank you very much indeed. your eeeme— thank you very much indeed. your eeeme-eeew— thank you very much indeed. your eeeemee-eeeew e— thank you very much indeed. your reaction story ? well, i reaction to the story? well, i me— reaction to the story? well, i m e— reaction to the story? well, i m e ere— reaction to the story? well, i mean, it's a up, isn't it? but i pebble— mean, it's a up, isn't it? but i mean, people know if people know

if they're fat . and actually, i if they're fat. and actually, i think that this day and age, you know, if people put as much effort into their weight loss as they did moaning about it, we would all run around looking like twiggy to be quite honest with you. no, i think people will be given an excuse with this. and i think people's better for thing to do is to actually let the scales talk to them, step on the scales. if you're going up, you need to eat less and move more and all of that sort of stuff. and then, of course, if you're going down, you need to eat a bit more. i think this is a lovely, convenient excuse for many people and frankly, yeah, it's a up, but is it is it the be all and end all of losing weight? no, it's not. i may have to apologise , guys, for the word apologise, guys, for the word you used. apparently it may you just used. apparently it may not you just used. apparently it may eee ee— you just used. apparently it may not be _compliant- ..: apparently it may not be compliant though, not be ofcom compliant though, eeweee— not be ofcom compliant though, believe-stephen,- not be ofcom compliant though, believe stephen, but believe it or not, stephen, but eewwew— believe it or not, stephen, but anyway lwee — believe it or not, stephen, but anyway, you think sorts anyway, do you think these sorts of anyway, do you think these sorts ee-eee— anyway, do you think these sorts ee-eee ee— anyway, do you think these sorts of-not are not- anyway, do you think these sorts of not are not helpful, of apps are not are not helpful, not of apps are not are not helpful, eee eeeeee— of apps are not are not helpful, eee eeeeee e— of apps are not are not helpful, not useful ? i— of apps are not are not helpful, not useful ? i mean, if i can not useful? i mean, if i can i m— not useful? i mean, if i can i m m— not useful? i mean, if i can i mean if it worked— not useful? i mean, if i can i mean if it worked obviously, but if mean if it worked obviously, but m m— mean if it worked obviously, but m m eeewee.— mean if it worked obviously, but if it worked, if- mean if it worked obviously, but if it worked, if i— mean if it worked obviously, but if it worked, if i tapped in my

wemm— if it worked, if i tapped in my weigbi eee— if it worked, if i tapped in my weight and how— if it worked, if i tapped in my weight and how much exercise i'm mee— weight and how much exercise i'm eeme eee— weight and how much exercise i'm eeme eee m— weight and how much exercise i'm doing and it told— weight and how much exercise i'm doing and it told me you can eat meee— doing and it told me you can eat zooo ememee— doing and it told me you can eat 2000 calories a— doing and it told me you can eat 2000 calories a day.— doing and it told me you can eat 2000 calories a day. emily if you— 2000 calories a day. emily if wee wem— 2000 calories a day. emily if wee wem m— 2000 calories a day. emily if you want to lose— 2000 calories a day. emily if you want to lose £7, that's a meet— you want to lose £7, that's a good meee.— you want to lose £7, that's a good thing, right? helps you meme— good thing, right? helps you meeew . — good thing, right? helps you listen . well,— good thing, right? helps you listen . well, the- good thing, right? helps you listen . wc... ”g good thing, right? helps you listen. : listen. well, the theory would say it is, and the theory would say it is, and the theory would say that it's all great, but they don't seem to work, do they? because we're getting fatter and fatter and fatter. no no.the fatter and fatter and fatter. no no. the one thing to do is let the scales talk to you. keep it down to earth, stop you whinging . allow yourself when you look at those scales to make some adjustments that may be having one takeaway a week rather than three takeaways a week. we are fat in this country because we are lazy in the mind . we are fat are lazy in the mind. we are fat in this country because we love to sit on a sofa rather than let our legs do the do the walking and i think actually the best thing that britain can have now is not a bmi calculator , but a is not a bmi calculator, but a good dollop of straight talking common sense that unfortunately this nation doesn't seem to like

anymore because it likes wrapping it up in this beautiful paper that's called wokery , a paper that's called wokery, a dollop of common sense and presumably not another dollop of ice cream or cream on your pudding. anyway, thank you very eeem— pudding. anyway, thank you very eeeem meeew— pudding. anyway, thank you very much indeed. steve— ze..e:e: “eg anyway, thank you very much indeed. steve miller, ememeee— much indeed. steve miller, excellent as— much indeed. steve miller, excellent as always. love eeweee— excellent as always. love eeweee m— excellent as always. love talking to you. - excellent as always. love talking to you. thank you very eeeem — talking to you. thank you very eeeem _ee- talking to you. thank you veryi eeeem _ee-eee much. we're going to we've got a eeeeeeee eeeee — much. we're going to we've got a eeeeeeee eeeee ee— much. we're going to we've got a response from an nhs spokesman to response from an nhs spokesman m me— response from an nhs spokesman to the revelations.— response from an nhs spokesman to the revelations. his statement— to the revelations. his statement reads, as follows in me— statement reads, as follows in mee mm— statement reads, as follows in mee mm me — statement reads, as follows in line with the nice— statement reads, as follows in line with the nice guidance, the mm— line with the nice guidance, the bmi calculator— line with the nice guidance, the bmi calculator no— line with the nice guidance, the bmi calculator no longer eeeweee— bmi calculator no longer provides advice on calories, so mm— provides advice on calories, so mm emee— provides advice on calories, so that other factors— provides advice on calories, so that other factors such as meeewee— that other factors such as lifestyle are _ that other factors such as lifestyle are considered when ememee— lifestyle are considered when offering advice _ lifestyle are considered when offering advice on weight management. _ offering advice on weight management. okay you're watching and management. okay you're watching eee ememee— management. okay you're watching eee meeemee m— management. okay you're watching and listening to gb— management. okay you're watching and listening to gb news sunday mm— and listening to gb news sunday mm eee— and listening to gb news sunday mm meew— and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. coming up in with me, emily carver. coming up m me— with me, emily carver. coming up m me eem— with me, emily carver. coming up in the next hour,— with me, emily carver. coming up in the next hour, is— with me, emily carver. coming up in the next hour, is putin ememeee— in the next hour, is putin finished? while the infamous weeeee— finished? while the infamous weoeee group— finished? while the infamous wagner group have halted their meee— wagner group have halted their advance on - and - wagner group have halted their advance on and struck a advance on moscow and struck a eem— advance on moscow and struck a eem-meee.— advance on moscow and struck a deal-putin,-this- deal with putin, has this undermined— deal with putin, has this undermined and position undermined and his position meeeeeeeew— undermined and his position meeeeeemw e— undermined and his position irreparably ? irreparably? and is irreparably? irreparably? and is eeeeee— irreparably? irreparably? and is emeee eeeew— irreparably? irreparably? and is labour ready to— irreparably? irreparably? and is labour ready to rip up the green eem— labour ready to rip up the green eem m— labour ready to rip up the green eem m m— labour ready to rip up the green belt to fix the- labour ready to rip up the green belt to fix the housing crisis ? belt to fix the housing crisis? me— belt to fix the housing crisis? me meeew— belt to fix the housing crisis? the shadow home secretary, lisa mandy— the shadow home secretary, lisa meeew. eewe— the shadow home secretary, lisa meeew. eewe ee— the shadow home secretary, lisa nandy, says so, but— the shadow home secretary, lisa nandy, says so, but is building on nandy, says so, but is building eee me— nandy, says so, but is building eee me meee— nandy, says so, but is building on the green belt— nandy, says so, but is building on the green belt really the bee— on the green belt really the mm wew— on the green belt really the mm wew m—

on the green belt really the best way to tackle the housing eeeeeee— best way to tackle the housing crisis?-later, _ best way to tackle the housing crisis?-later, saint- best way to tackle the housing crisis? later, saint paul's crisis? and later, saint paul's cemeeem— crisis? and later, saint paul's cathedral, said— crisis? and later, saint paul's cathedral, said churchill . cathedral, said churchill. wmeme— cathedral, said churchill. winston _was. cathedral, said churchill. winston _was al cathedral, said churchill. . winston-was a white winston churchill was a white ememeee-— winston churchill was a white supremacist. what do you think of supremacist. what do you think ee meee— supremacist. what do you think ee mme me— supremacist. what do you think of that? all of- supremacist. what do you think of that? all of that to come. mee — of that? all of that to come. mee meeew— of that? all of that to come. i'm emily carver.— of that? all of that to come. i'm emily carver. you're ememee— i'm emily carver. you're watching listening watching and listening to gb meee.— watching and listening to gb

channel and i channel- and welcome to |meeeee- and welcome to gb |meeeee— and welcome to gb news sunday. meek— and welcome to gb news sunday. meek wee— and welcome to gb news sunday. meek wee me— and welcome to gb news sunday. thank you for joining and welcome to gb news sunday. thank you forjoining us and welcome to gb news sunday. thank you for joining us this ememeee-— thank you for joining us this lunchtime. i'm— thank you for joining us this lunchtime. i'm emily carver. for the lunchtime. i'm emily carver. for me eem— lunchtime. i'm emily carver. for me eem meee.— lunchtime. i'm emily carver. for the next hour, i— lunchtime. i'm emily carver. for the next hour, i will be keeping you— the next hour, i will be keeping wee eeeeeew— the next hour, i will be keeping wee eeeeeeew ee— the next hour, i will be keeping you company on tv, online and meet— you company on tv, online and momek eeme. — you company on tv, online and digital radio. so— you company on tv, online and digital radio. so coming up this meee.— digital radio. so coming up this meee—eeemwi digital radio. so coming up this. meee—eeemw m hour, yesterday we saw mutiny in russia.— hour, yesterday we saw mutiny in russia-wagner— hour, yesterday we saw mutiny in russia. wagner group turned russia. the wagner group turned on president— russia. the wagner group turned on president putin— russia. the wagner group turned on president putin and came within— on president putin and came within-miles— on president putin and came within-miles of- on president putin and came within miles of the capital, within 120 miles of the capital, moscow.— within 120 miles of the capital, moscow. me— within 120 miles of the capital, moscow. the mercenary group have matted— moscow. the mercenary group have matted meir— moscow. the mercenary group have halted their advance— moscow. the mercenary group have halted their advance moscow, halted their advance on moscow, struck— halted their advance on moscow, struck a— halted their advance on moscow, struck a acct— halted their advance on moscow, struck a deal with— halted their advance on moscow,

struck a deal with putin. the leader,— struck a deal with putin. the leader, prigozhin, will be reportedly— leader, prigozhin, will be reportedly exiled to belarus. is mis— reportedly exiled to belarus. is this mc— reportedly exiled to belarus. is this the beginning of the end for putin— this the beginning of the end for putin cc— this the beginning of the end for putin or does— this the beginning of the end for putin or does this make things— for putin or does this make cmngs moc— for putin or does this make things more unstable .7 and is things more unstable? and is labour— things more unstable? and is labour ready— things more unstable? and is labour ready to— things more unstable? and is labour ready to rip up the green ocu— labour ready to rip up the green ocm oo— labour ready to rip up the green boss to fix— labour ready to rip up the green belt to fix the— labour ready to rip up the green belt to fix the housing crisis? shadow— belt to fix the housing crisis? shadow home— belt to fix the housing crisis? shadow home secretary lisa nandy says— shadow home secretary lisa nandy soys m— shadow home secretary lisa nandy says if labour— shadow home secretary lisa nandy says if labour-next- says if labour win the next election— says if labour win the next election .— says if labour win the next election , they— says if labour win the next election , they plan to solve the election, they plan to solve the housing — election, they plan to solve the housing cuss— election, they plan to solve the housing crisis within ten years. mc-vc— housing crisis within ten years. move-u— housing crisis within ten years. mc-vc-u ou— housing crisis within ten years. we've it all before, but we've heard it all before, but is iuiiiiug— we've heard it all before, but is building-green- we've heard it all before, but is building green belt is building on the green belt the is building on the green belt cue-icic— is building on the green belt mic-icii io- is building on the green belt the left to tackle the the only way left to tackle the housing — the only way left to tackle the housing crisis?— the only way left to tackle the housing crisis? and coming up at the housing crisis? and coming up at he oni— housing crisis? and coming up at he end of— housing crisis? and coming up at he end of inc— housing crisis? and coming up at the end of the show, saint houi-s— the end of the show, saint paul's cathedral, believe or paul's cathedral, believe it or noti— paul's cathedral, believe it or non soii— paul's cathedral, believe it or not, said churchill was not, said winston churchill was a not, said winston churchill was o-sunncnocisi— not, said winston churchill was a-supremacist .- not, said winston churchill was a supremacist . that's a white supremacist. that's highc— a white supremacist. that's nghi. inc— a white supremacist. that's right. the man— a white supremacist. that's right. the man who famously inconsi— right. the man who famously defeated fascism— right. the man who famously defeated fascism was branded an unoshonci— defeated fascism was branded an unashamed imperialist on the coihcini-s— unashamed imperialist on the cathedral's own— unashamed imperialist on the cathedral's own website. i want to cathedral's own website. i want io know— cathedral's own website. i want io hnou whv- — cathedral's own website. i want io hnou whv- i— cathedral's own website. i want to know why. i want to debate choi— to know why. i want to debate ihoi nich— to know why. i want to debate ihoi niih ny— to know why. i want to debate that with my panel. please do get that with my panel. please do gci in— that with my panel. please do gci in couch.— that with my panel. please do get in touch. let— that with my panel. please do get in touch. let me know your ihoughis— get in touch. let me know your thoughts gbviews@gbnews.com thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com or thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com oi-oi— thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com on-oi ch— thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com on-oi ch mons.- thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com or-at gb news. but- or tweet me at gb news. but fish— or tweet me at gb news. but mg, ion-s— or tweet me at gb news. but first, let's get— or tweet me at gb news. but first, let's get the— or tweet me at gb news. but first, let's get the news headlines— first, let's get the news headlines with tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. innu— headlines with tatiana sanchez. inniiy. ihnnh— headlines with tatiana sanchez. inniiy. ihonk you— headlines with tatiana sanchez. emily, thank you very— headlines with tatiana sanchez. emily, thank you very much- headlines with tatiana sanchez. emily, thank you very much and good afternoon. it's 2:01. this

is the latest . russia's is the latest. russia's president says he has every confidence in his troops who were on the front line in their continued war in ukraine. it's after the leader of the wagner mercenary group is now to head to belarus. last night, he pulled his troops out to avoid bloodshed as they headed for moscow on what's being described as an attempted coup. they were on their way to remove russian commanders that yevgeny prigozhin blames for mishandling the war in ukraine. a ukrainian mp, alexei gonchar , believes mp, alexei gonchar, believes putin's time is running out. definitely, if this mutiny definitely, if this mutihy would definitely, if this mutiny would conhuci— definitely, if this mutiny would continue, several— definitely, if this mutiny would continue, several days longer , continue, several days longer, hhius— continue, several days longer, batus several— continue, several days longer, batus several weeks longer, that will batus several weeks longer, that niii ho— batus several weeks longer, that niii ho inc— batus several weeks longer, that will be the end _ batus several weeks longer, that will be the end of— batus several weeks longer, that will be the end of russian army in uhoinc. — will be the end of russian army in uhoinc. n— will be the end of russian army in ukraine. it was— will be the end of russian army in ukraine. it was too quick to cotton— in ukraine. it was too quick to cxnioii ii— in ukraine. it was too quick to cooioii ii for— in ukraine. it was too quick to exploit it for our— in ukraine. it was too quick to exploit it for our army. it was iusi— exploit it for our army. it was iusi in— exploit it for our army. it was iusi in m— exploit it for our army. it was just in 24 hours.— exploit it for our army. it was just in 24 hours. so i don't think— just in 24 hours. so i don't think choi— just in 24 hours. so i don't think that now— just in 24 hours. so i don't think that now it will in short coin — think that now it will in short coin niii— think that now it will in short term will change— think that now it will in short term will change something on the battlefield. _ term will change something on the battlefield. but on the mitotic— the battlefield. but on the middle term,— the battlefield. but on the middle term, it showed how weak is icussio— middle term, it showed how weak is icussio oni— middle term, it showed how weak is russia and i'm— middle term, it showed how weak is russia and i'm even more sure coin— is russia and i'm even more sure ioioy in—

is russia and i'm even more sure today in ukrainian— is russia and i'm even more sure today in ukrainian victory than beg...— today in ukrainian victory than before . — today in ukrainian victory than before . inc— today in ukrainian victory than before . the prime- today in ukrainian victory than before . 37” ii " before. the prime minister has set out what he's calling the biggest workforce training expansion of the nhs. writing in the sunday times, mr sunak said his long term workforce plan will aim to train, retain and reform the uk's experienced nhs staff. he says a country as a country we rely on attracting talented people from overseas rather than recruiting at home. mr sunak described the 15 year plan as the cornerstone of his government's vision for a better health care system . the health care system. the chancellor says raising interest rates is one of the most effective methods to kerb inflation. this week, rates were hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in a row and the sharpest increase since february. the move means mortgage holders are preparing for a big jump in their monthly repayments, writing in the mail on sunday, jeremy hunt is urging those struggling to be patient with the painful measures. chief

secretary to the treasury john glenn told us the chancellor is committed to supporting the bank of england . as you know, the of england. as you know, the nonh— of england. as you know, the honh of— of england. as you know, the bank of england— of england. as you know, the bank of england is- 3: as you know, the bank of england is independent of government— bank of england is independent of government .— bank of england is independent of government . we work closely of government. we work closely with— of government. we work closely with then— of government. we work closely with then .— of government. we work closely with them , but— of government. we work closely with them , but they make those with them, but they make those decisions— with them, but they make those decisions and— with them, but they make those decisions and they've obviously hciocsci— decisions and they've obviously increased-rates— decisions and they've obviously increased-rates by- decisions and they've obviously increased rates by half a% increased our rates by half a% host— increased our rates by half a% iosi-i-n— increased our rates by half a% iosc-i-n noc— increased our rates by half a% last-i'm not here- increased our rates by half a% last i'm not here to last week. i'm not here to commentate.— last week. i'm not here to commentate. i'm here to work ciosciy— commentate. i'm here to work ciosciy nich— commentate. i'm here to work closely with the _ commentate. i'm here to work closely with the bank of ingioni. — closely with the bank of england. people don't want us to be england. people don't want us to ho sguohhiing— england. people don't want us to be squabbling amongst ourselves mhoi— be squabbling amongst ourselves that no— be squabbling amongst ourselves what we should— be squabbling amongst ourselves what we should doing is what we should be doing is having— what we should be doing is having o— what we should be doing is having a committed and united pion— having a committed and united hion io— having a committed and united high to choi— having a committed and united plan to deal with— having a committed and united plan to deal with high inflation plan to deal with hiin inflation in plan to deal with high inflation in ou— plan to deal with high inflation in our economy.— plan to deal with high inflation in our economy. that is what going— in our economy. that is what doing in— in our economy. that is what we're doing in government and choi— we're doing in government and that is— we're doing in government and that is what— we're doing in government and that is what the— we're doing in government and that is what the governor of the nonh— that is what the governor of the honh oh— that is what the governor of the bank of england— that is what the governor of the bank of england is doing with the interest— bank of england is doing with the interest rate— bank of england is doing with the interest rate decisions. humon— the interest rate decisions. human remains have been found uncro— human remains have been found when hniish— human remains have been found where british actor— human remains have been found where british actor julian sands where british actorjulian sands noni— where british actorjulian sands wont hissing— where british actorjulian sands went missing in— where british actorjulian sands went missing in the area of the son— went missing in the area of the son coinci— went missing in the area of the san gabriel mountains near los hngcics. — san gabriel mountains near los angeles. they've— san gabriel mountains near los angeles. "can angeles. they've been transported to the local coroner's office pending positive identifying station. it's expected that should be completed next week . the 65 year completed next week. the 65 year old failed to return from a hike

in the mount baldy area of the southern californian mountains . southern californian mountains. on the 13th of january. all state secondary schools in england are now equipped with a defibrillator. the government says secondary schools received priority because the risk of cardiac arrest increases with age.the cardiac arrest increases with age. the department for health says the device will also be rolled out in primary and special schools , due to be special schools, due to be completed by the end of the summer. term and finally, the final chance to see music legend sir elton john is fast approaching . the rocketman is approaching. the rocketman is hanging up his hat for his final show on home turf will be this evening at the glastonbury festival . all the event's festival. all the event's co—organiser has teased details of his pyramid stage show, saying he's been carving out a set that's going to be completely unique to the festival . elton fans have been festival. elton fans have been queuing up to see the legendary last performance . this turned last performance. this turned out three hours after these guys. iwas out three hours after these guys. i was here at 7 am. i was chino— guys. i was here at 7 am. i was thin in— guys. i was here at 7 am. i was thin in tho— guys. i was here at 7 am. i was third in the queue.— gears i was here at 7 am. i was third in the queue. and you

con-i— third in the queue. and you cant iss— third in the queue. and you can't miss elton— third in the queue. and you can't miss elton john last ever uk gig,— can't miss elton john last ever uk gig, glastonbury. what a day. icon— uk gig, glastonbury. what a day. icon. i— uk gig, glastonbury. what a day. icon. i kind— uk gig, glastonbury. what a day. icon. i kind of— uk gig, glastonbury. what a day. look, i kind of kept— uk gig, glastonbury. what a day. look, i kind of kept the- uk gig, glastonbury. what a day. look, i kind of kept the tickets initially , but just for like initially, but just for like elton , so i figured like, this elton, so i figured like, this is such a once in a lifetime chance that i can sleep any other day. but like front row , other day. but like front row, glastonbury, last uk concert, that's probably going to be like a once in a lifetime chance . a once in a lifetime chance. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it— this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now inho— more news as it happens. now iniiy, ii-s— more news as it happens. now emily, it's back— more news as it happens. now emily, it's back to— more news as it happens. now emily, it's back to you . emily, it's back to you. ihonh— emily, it's back to you. ihonk you. — emily, it's back to you. thank you. tatiana so let's scon— thank you. tatiana so let's scan on— thank you. tatiana so let's start off this hour with the extraordinary scenes that we witnessed in russia. it emerged early yesterday morning that the wagner group had taken control of the southern city of rostov—on—don, russian rostov—on—don, the russian president had made a televised address earlier on in the day blasting the wagner of blasting the wagner leader of betrayal treason . they betrayal and treason. they marched further towards the

russian attacking russian capital, attacking an oil the city of oil depot in the city of voronets, having been attacked by russian helicopters on the way. then continued way. the march then continued on to moscow , to the capital, moscow, roadblocks having be formed roadblocks having to be formed outside the and the mayor outside the city, and the mayor declaring a counter—terror regime in place with mounting speculation could speculation that they could genuinely reach the city. however, later on in the evening, it emerged that the head of the military group negotiated belarus fryston negotiated with belarus fryston leader alexander lukashenko and agreed to stand down and leave russia for belarus. well, let's start by crossing over to the russian embassy and speaking with gb news reporter theo theo chikomba. theo, thank you very much for being there. outside the russian embassy in this beautiful, weather, please beautiful, hot weather, please bnng beautiful, hot weather, please bring us the very latest . yes bring us the very latest. yes well, it was a day of heightened military tension in russia yesterday as troops of the wagner group made their way from rostov on don, a city in the southern part of russia towards moscow. but southern part of russia towards moscow . but as things escalated moscow. but as things escalated covih— moscow. but as things escalated covid throughout— f but as things escalated covid throughout the day, we saw oh— covid throughout the day, we saw of those— covid throughout the day, we saw

some of those pictures of niiiion— some of those pictures of military vehicles within the cities— military vehicles within the cities in— military vehicles within the cities in rostov— military vehicles within the cities in rostov on don, but oiso— cities in rostov on don, but also russian— cities in rostov on don, but also russian military vehicles within— also russian military vehicles within moscow.— also russian military vehicles within moscow. and there was cocoons— within moscow. and there was some reports of— within moscow. and there was some reports of interference nhcn— some reports of interference when i— some reports of interference when i cones— some reports of interference when it comes to internet conncton— when it comes to internet connection. some people couldn't get accos— connection. some people couldn't get access during— connection. some people couldn't get access during the day, but thoro— get access during the day, but then nos— get access during the day, but there was that— get access during the day, but there was that u—turn, which you iotcn— there was that u—turn, which you iotci in— there was that u—turn, which you saw later in the— there was that u—turn, which you saw later in the day— there was that u—turn, which you saw later in the day as yevgeny prigozhin— saw later in the day as yevgeny prigozhin .— saw later in the day as yevgeny prigozhin , tho— saw later in the day as yevgeny prigozhin , the leader of the of prigozhin, the leader of the of the magnet— prigozhin, the leader of the of the wagner mercenary group , the wagner mercenary group, saying— the wagner mercenary group, saying his— the wagner mercenary group, saying his his— the wagner mercenary group, saying his his his troops will be saying his his his troops will hc putting— saying his his his troops will be pulling back— saying his his his troops will be pulling back and won't be going— be pulling back and won't be going to— be pulling back and won't be going to topp“:— be pulling back and won't be going to topple what was described— going to topple what was described yesterday as the isoton— described yesterday as the icotcts ot— described yesterday as the leaders of the— described yesterday as the leaders of the russian military group— leaders of the russian military gtouh .— leaders of the russian military group . hut— leaders of the russian military group . but there— leaders of the russian military group . but there are questions group. but there are questions turning— group. but there are questions now turning towards what this means for the— now turning towards what this means for the leader of the group- — means for the leader of the group. mc— means for the leader of the group. we understand he will be chico— group. we understand he will be exist to— group. we understand he will be exiled to belarus. _ group. we understand he will be exiled to belarus. there was a toot— exiled to belarus. there was a toot in— exiled to belarus. there was a deal in which— exiled to belarus. there was a deal in which he— exiled to belarus. there was a deal in which he had a conversation - deal in which he had a conversation with the president of conversation with the president ot hciotus — conversation with the president of belarus, alexander lukashenko , ont— of belarus, alexander lukashenko , and tho— of belarus, alexander lukashenko , and the kremlin— of belarus, alexander lukashenko , and the kremlin and this means that— , and the kremlin and this means that his— , and the kremlin and this means that his troops— , and the kremlin and this means that his troops won't be punished— that his troops won't be punished and- that his troops won't be punished and neither will he. hut— punished and neither will he. hut what— punished and neither will he. but what does— punished and neither will he. but what does this actually mean

in tctoiii— but what does this actually mean in detail? that's— but what does this actually mean in detail? that's something we're waiting— in detail? that's something we're waiting to— in detail? that's something we're waiting to see over the host— we're waiting to see over the not coming— we're waiting to see over the next coming days. experts seem to soy— next coming days. experts seem to soy that— next coming days. experts seem to soy that it— next coming days. experts seem to say that it would be unlikely for to say that it would be unlikely to him— to say that it would be unlikely to him to— to say that it would be unlikely for him to completely disappear into— for him to completely disappear into the— for him to completely disappear into the night,— for him to completely disappear into the night, considering the position— into the night, considering the position that— into the night, considering the position that he's— into the night, considering the position that he's held and what toss— position that he's held and what tocs this— position that he's held and what does this mean— position that he's held and what does this mean for— position that he's held and what does this mean for president putin— does this mean for president hutin his— does this mean for president putin, his image? he's been at the putin, his image? he's been at tho hotn— putin, his image? he's been at tho hcin ot— putin, his image? he's been at the helm of politics in russia for the helm of politics in russia to over— the helm of politics in russia to two— the helm of politics in russia for over two decades. this is the— for over two decades. this is the tint— for over two decades. this is the first time— for over two decades. this is the first time he's been challenged— the first time he's been challenged in- the first time he's been challenged in this way, particularly— challenged in this way, particularly in a public way, which— particularly in a public way, which hos— particularly in a public way, which has been— particularly in a public way, which has been seen across the wont.— which has been seen across the notch so— which has been seen across the world. so those— which has been seen across the world. so those questions are going— world. so those questions are going to— world. so those questions are going to ho— world. so those questions are going to be looked song for goods— going to be looked song for hcootc tooting— going to be looked song for people looking for answers. in that— people looking for answers. in that sense— people looking for answers. in that .— people looking for answers. in that sense . so— people looking for answers. in that sense . so plenty to go over that sense. so plenty to go over in tho— that sense. so plenty to go over in the next— that sense. so plenty to go over in the next couple— that sense. so plenty to go over in the next couple of days. he hos— in the next couple of days. he has spoken— in the next couple of days. he has spoken to— in the next couple of days. he has spoken to russian state tcicvision— has spoken to russian state television saying that they are stit— television saying that they are still confident, _ television saying that they are still confident, but what thcy-vc — still confident, but what they've described as a special niiiton— they've described as a special military operation in ukraine. so military operation in ukraine. so picnty— military operation in ukraine. so picnty ot— military operation in ukraine. so plenty of questions and developments— so plenty of questions and developments over the next few toys. — developments over the next few toys. tic-ii— developments over the next few days mc-ii hc— developments over the next few days. we'll be looking out for then. — days. we'll be looking out for then. ihtnt— days. we'll be looking out for them. thank you— days. we'll be looking out for them. icy days. we'll be looking out for them. “etc/"5 it them. thank you very much indeed, theo theo chikomba there. gb news reporter outside there. gb news reporter outside the russian embassy in london. well, i can now speak with former head of counter—terrorism

at the ministry of defence, major general chip chapman. thank very much indeed, thank you very much indeed, chip, joining me this chip, for joining me this afternoon. now, there's a lot to go out with this, of course, but i want to know about the wagner group itself . we know that the group itself. we know that the leader is going to be exiled to belarus. i don't know if he's already on his way, if that is already on his way, if that is already known. but what about the other thousands of mercenary that were working under his watch ? well, i think most of watch? well, i think most of them will probably disappear overseas again, because one of the things the wagner group is notorious for is being an arm of russian foreign policy. for example, they've got- t t?“ �*gg; g " it? for example, they've got 1000 russian foreign policy. for- example, they've got 1000 troops in moii — example, they've got 1000 troops in moii .— example, they've got 1000 troops in moii . they— example, they've got 1000 troops in mali . they pick— example, they've got 1000 troops in mali . they pick up $11 in mali. they pick up $11 niiiion. — in mali. they pick up $11 million. there- in mali. they pick up $11 million. there a year providing security— million. there a year providing security ont— million. there a year providing security and training to the motion— security and training to the malian government. there was a now— malian government. there was a worry nhcn— malian government. there was a worry when no— malian government. there was a worry when we went to sudan ncccntiy— worry when we went to sudan recently because _ worry when we went to sudan recently because the wagner crouh — recently because the wagner group were operating there copioiting— group were operating there exploiting the— group were operating there exploiting the gold gold reserves. so _ exploiting the gold gold reserves. so it's wrong to say they-ic— reserves. so it's wrong to say they-to o— reserves. so it's wrong to say they're a private— reserves. so it's wrong to say they're a private military company,— they're a private military company, which is discrete from the government.— company, which is discrete from the government. they are somewhere between the russian

not— somewhere between the russian not ont— somewhere between the russian not and on— somewhere between the russian not and ot— somewhere between the russian mod and one of the intelligence agencies— mod and one of the intelligence agencies in— mod and one of the intelligence agencies in russia— mod and one of the intelligence agencies in russia . so they've agencies in russia. so they've hot— agencies in russia. so they've never had in—depth attendance. but never had in—depth attendance. hut on— never had in—depth attendance. hut ot— never had in—depth attendance. but one of the— never had in—depth attendance. but one of the things which has gone— but one of the things which has gone wrong— but one of the things which has gone wrong recently is there's icon— gone wrong recently is there's been no— gone wrong recently is there's been no unity— gone wrong recently is there's been no unity of— gone wrong recently is there's been no unity of command in terms— been no unity of command in terms ot— been no unity of command in terms of them.— been no unity of command in terms of them. and the russian ministry— terms of them. and the russian ministn ot— terms of them. and the russian ministry of defence and force is using— ministry of defence and force is hcing usct— ministry of defence and force is hcing usct in— ministry of defence and force is hcing usct in o— ministry of defence and force is being used in a coherent matter in unans— being used in a coherent matter in ukraine. and— being used in a coherent matter in ukraine. and it— being used in a coherent matter in ukraine. and it was those frustrations— in ukraine. and it was those frustrations which boiled to the to thc — frustrations which boiled to the to the too — frustrations which boiled to the to the top with— frustrations which boiled to the to the top with prigozhin . so to the top with prigozhin. so tooth— to the top with prigozhin. so tooth ho — to the top with prigozhin. so really he wasn't— to the top with prigozhin. so really he wasn't initiating a coup. — really he wasn't initiating a coup. no— really he wasn't initiating a coup. he really,— really he wasn't initiating a coup. he really, i think, sought to to— coup. he really, i think, sought to to thee— coup. he really, i think, sought to do three things. firstly, he monts— to do three things. firstly, he wants to— to do three things. firstly, he wants to show— to do three things. firstly, he wants to show a _ to do three things. firstly, he wants to show a guy and ccnosinnov— wants to show a guy and gerasimov to— wants to show a guy and gerasimov to be sacked . the gerasimov to be sacked. the scont— gerasimov to be sacked. the second one was— gerasimov to be sacked. the second one was that he wanted the second one was that he wanted thc magnet— second one was that he wanted the magnet not— second one was that he wanted the wagner not to— second one was that he wanted the wagner not to have to join contnoi— the wagner not to have to join control acas, _ the wagner not to have to join control acas, which they're going— control acas, which they're going to — control acas, which they're going to to— control acas, which they're going to to on— control acas, which they're going to do on the 1st of july. ant— going to do on the 1st of july. ant that— going to do on the 1st of july. and that seems— going to do on the 1st of july. and that seems to be in train ant— and that seems to be in train ant tho— and that seems to be in train now. and the third thing he wanted— now. and the third thing he nontct to— now. and the third thing he wanted to do— now. and the third thing he wanted to do was he wanted to sock— wanted to do was he wanted to sack thosc — wanted to do was he wanted to suck those guys— wanted to do was he wanted to sack those guys so— wanted to do was he wanted to sack those guys so that they couit — sack those guys so that they could prosecute— sack those guys so that they could prosecute the war more cttcctivciy— could prosecute the war more effectively leaders . could prosecute the war more. effectively-leaders . he effectively with new leaders. he sees a need for— effectively with new leaders. he sees a need for a— effectively with new leaders. he sees a need for a mobilise gage,— sees a need for a mobilise gage, hotn— sees a need for a mobilise state, both in— sees a need for a mobilise state, both in terms of manpower and tom — state, both in terms of manpower and tom the— state, both in terms of manpower and from the industrial base. he suggested— and from the industrial base. he suggcstct that— and from the industrial base. he suggested that they need to cucct — suggested that they need to cucct toi— suggested that they need to

reduce, for example, 19 million oniiicn— reduce, for example, 19 million artillery rounds— reduce, for example, 19 million artillery rounds per year. that-s— artillery rounds per year. ihot-s wav— artillery rounds per year. that's way above the norms of what— that's way above the norms of what the — that's way above the norms of what the russian _ that's way above the norms of what the russian state provide on o yearly— what the russian state provide on a yearly basis.— what the russian state provide on a yearly basis. chip could it be on a yearly basis. chip could it to o— on a yearly basis. chip could it be a possibility— on a yearly basis. chip could it be a possibility that the wagner enoug— be a possibility that the wagner stout group— be a possibility that the wagner stout group is— be a possibility that the wagner group group is redeployed in hcionus— group group is redeployed in hcionus to— group group is redeployed in belarus to attack kyiv on the southern— belarus to attack kyiv on the southern border— belarus to attack kyiv on the southern border for it's a possihiiito— southern border for it's a possibility, but i don't think it mouto— possibility, but i don't think it would add— possibility, but i don't think it would add anything really. so then-s— it would add anything really. so thcic-s annoys— it would add anything really. so there's always been this case that— there's always been this case that because _ there's always been this case that because of— there's always been this case that because of the geography, you tis— that because of the geography, you in o— that because of the geography, you fix a ukrainian forces, what we you fix a ukrainian forces, what no hy— you fix a ukrainian forces, what we mean by that— you fix a ukrainian forces, what we mean by that is ukraine omoys— we mean by that is ukraine utnoys hos— we mean by that is ukraine always has to _ we mean by that is ukraine always has to be mindful of the hciotus— always has to be mindful of the belarus front.— always has to be mindful of the belarus front. but— always has to be mindful of the belarus front. but the problem with— belarus front. but the problem with going— belarus front. but the problem with doing that— belarus front. but the problem with doing that is it's always guerassimoff_ with doing that is it's always guerassimoff and schweiger who contioi— guerassimoff and schweiger who contnoi tho— guerassimoff and schweiger who control the plant's— guerassimoff and schweiger who control the plant's resources ont— control the plant's resources and logistics.— control the plant's resources and logistics. so— control the plant's resources and logistics. so unless you've got tho— and logistics. so unless you've got the logistics— and logistics. so unless you've got the logistics support to do that,— got the logistics support to do that, then— got the logistics support to do that, then that— got the logistics support to do that, then that would probably withst— that, then that would probably withci on— that, then that would probably wither on the _ that, then that would probably wither on the vine and fade away guitc— wither on the vine and fade away guitc guictiw— wither on the vine and fade away guitc guictiw .— wither on the vine and fade away guitc guictiw . so— wither on the vine and fade away quite quickly . so i— wither on the vine and fade away quite quickly . so i don't think quite quickly. so i don't think that-s— quite quickly. so i don't think thot-s o— quite quickly. so i don't think that's a credible— quite quickly. so i don't think that's a credible option. it's something— that's a credible option. it's something that— that's a credible option. it's something that the ukrainians oiwows— something that the ukrainians oiwows hows— something that the ukrainians always have to _ something that the ukrainians always have to take into account in their— always have to take into account in their planning— always have to take into account in their planning that that stit— in their planning that that still remains— in their planning that that still remains an open flank just

because— still remains an open flank just hccousc ot— still remains an open flank just because of belarus doesn't notw— because of belarus doesn't really matter— because of belarus doesn't really matter if— because of belarus doesn't really matter if it's the wagner enoug— really matter if it's the wagner group os— really matter if it's the wagner group as wcii— really matter if it's the wagner group as well or— really matter if it's the wagner group as well or not. 't: c" group as well or not. and chip, i-nn — group as well or not. and chip, in sun— group as well or not. and chip, i'm sure you have more insight into president putin's mindset and personality than i do. what will he be planning now? what might he be thinking now? he seems weakened by all of this. he may be embarrassed, humiliated . that's at least what humiliated. that's at least what many common taters are suggesting . what will he do now? suggesting. what will he do now? will he be able to ramp things up in any way? could it be that we're more at risk of nuclear weapons ? or what do you think ? weapons? or what do you think? well, hitler was only in power for well, hitler was only in power ton to— well, hitler was only in power ton to woos— well, hitler was only in power for 12 years, and— well, hitler was only in power for 12 years, and putin's really noon— for 12 years, and putin's really hoon thoro— for 12 years, and putin's really been there for— for 12 years, and putin's really been there for 24— for 12 years, and putin's really been there for 24 years. so in towns— been there for 24 years. so in towns ot— been there for 24 years. so in towns ot his— been there for 24 years. so in terms of his ability to consolidate- terms of his ability to consolidate power , crush, consolidate power, crush, tissont— consolidate power, crush, dissent, hack— consolidate power, crush, dissent, hack people's minds, vou— dissent, hack people's minds, wou know,— dissent, hack people's minds, wou tnow ho-s— dissent, hack people's minds, you know, he's a— dissent, hack people's minds, you know, he's a quantum leap of his on— you know, he's a quantum leap of his in— you know, he's a quantum leap of his in o— you know, he's a quantum leap of his own in a sense— you know, he's a quantum leap of his own in a sense right now. if thoro— his own in a sense right now. if thono woo— his own in a sense right now. if thono o— his own in a sense right now. if there were a if— his own in a sense right now. if there were a if there were ooopio— there were a if there were hoooto who — there were a if there were people who were plotting oiongsito— people who were plotting alongside prigozhin, either from the alongside prigozhin, either from tho socuntw— alongside prigozhin, either from the security agencies , the fsb the security agencies, the fsb or the security agencies, the fsb on tho— the security agencies, the fsb on tho citu — the security agencies, the fsb on tho citu on— the security agencies, the fsb or the gru or some of the army, whot— or the gru or some of the army, whot wou—

or the gru or some of the army, whot wou wouit— or the gru or some of the army, what you would expect a guy to do what you would expect a guy to to who— what you would expect a guy to to who wonts— what you would expect a guy to do who wants to— what you would expect a guy to do who wants to maintain his authoritarian— do who wants to maintain his authoritarian presence and power is to— authoritarian presence and power is to howo— authoritarian presence and power is to howo o— authoritarian presence and power is to have a night— authoritarian presence and power is to have a night of the long tniwos— is to have a night of the long tniwos in— is to have a night of the long knives in the— is to have a night of the long knives in the same way that nition— knives in the same way that nition tit— knives in the same way that hitler did for— knives in the same way that hitler did for example, in 1934. so hitler did for example, in 1934. so thoro— hitler did for example, in 1934. so there could— hitler did for example, in 1934. so there could be— hitler did for example, in 1934. so there could be a massive purge— so there could be a massive hungo it— so there could be a massive hungo it no— so there could be a massive purge if he believes this to be sonothing— purge if he believes this to be something which— purge if he believes this to be something which threatens his outhontw— something which threatens his outhontw .— something which threatens his authority , that— something which threatens his authority , that is a real authority, that is a real possihiiitw— authority, that is a real possibility ,_ authority, that is a real possibility , i- authority, that is a real possibility , i think. but also possibility, i think. but also whot-s— possibility, i think. but also whot-s in— possibility, i think. but also what's in interesting is wostontow— what's in interesting is yesterday, of- what's in interesting is yesterday, of course , he called yesterday, of course, he called prigozhin— yesterday, of course, he called inigozhin o— yesterday, of course, he called prigozhin a traitor— yesterday, of course, he called prigozhin a traitor who needed to ho— prigozhin a traitor who needed to be crushed.— prigozhin a traitor who needed to be crushed. and yet 12 hours ioton— to be crushed. and yet 12 hours ioton ho— to be crushed. and yet 12 hours ioton ho os— to be crushed. and yet 12 hours later, he was negotiating with him— later, he was negotiating with him ont— later, he was negotiating with him ont ho-s— later, he was negotiating with him and he's giving him a free poss— him and he's giving him a free toss to— him and he's giving him a free pass to belarus. _ him and he's giving him a free pass to belarus. apparently now , thot— pass to belarus. apparently now , thot octuoiiw— pass to belarus. apparently now , that actually could be used in our , that actually could be used in towoui ot— , that actually could be used in our favour of the— , that actually could be used in our favour of the west in uhoino— our favour of the west in uhoino it— our favour of the west in ukraine if he's- our favour of the west in ukraine if he's going to nogotioto— ukraine if he's going to negotiate with prigozhin , if he negotiate with prigozhin, if he put onough— negotiate with prigozhin, if he put enough pressure on him with supplying— put enough pressure on him with supplying weapons to ukraine, inciuting— supplying weapons to ukraine, inciuting oin— supplying weapons to ukraine, including air power, then he couit— including air power, then he couit ho— including air power, then he could he could— including air power, then he could he could negotiate with us thoro— could he could negotiate with us thoio. shouit— could he could negotiate with us there. should they— could he could negotiate with us there. should they be successful . mow,— there. should they be successful . how in— there. should they be successful . now, in terms— there. should they be successful . now, in terms of— there. should they be successful . now, in terms of nuclear weapons, we're- . now, in terms of nuclear weapons, we're still a long way hon— weapons, we're still a long way hon thot— weapons, we're still a long way hon thot .— weapons, we're still a long way hon thot . so— weapons, we're still a long way from that . so although the from that. so although the wooonsn— from that. so although the weapons have— from that. so although the weapons have been sent to hoionus— weapons have been sent to hoionus in— weapons have been sent to belarus in terms of imminency, thoro— belarus in terms of imminency, thono is— belarus in terms of imminency, there is absolutely no

possibility— there is absolutely no possibility at the moment. it is oxtionoiw— possibility at the moment. it is oxtnonoiw tow— possibility at the moment. it is extremely low and you would look for extremely low and you would look to o— extremely low and you would look to o nunnoih— extremely low and you would look for a number of— extremely low and you would look for a number of markers for that to iso— for a number of markers for that to ont— for a number of markers for that to rise and none— for a number of markers for that to rise and none of— for a number of markers for that to rise and none of those are thoro— to rise and none of those are thono ot— to rise and none of those are thono ot tho— to rise and none of those are there at the moment. but the roots— there at the moment. but the roots ot— there at the moment. but the roots ot o— there at the moment. but the roots of a russian— there at the moment. but the roots of a russian army, which putin— roots of a russian army, which hutin is— roots of a russian army, which putin is blamed— roots of a russian army, which putin is blamed for by everyone at putin is blamed for by everyone ot hono— putin is blamed for by everyone at home, would— putin is blamed for by everyone at home, would be— putin is blamed for by everyone at home, would be one of those inticotots— at home, would be one of those indicators that— at home, would be one of those indicators that you— at home, would be one of those indicators that you would look ton — indicators that you would look ton ihont— indicators that you would look for. thank you— indicators that you would look for. thank you very- indicators that you would look for. it indicators that you would look for. thank you very much indeed. defence major general chip chapman . thank you very much chapman. thank you very much indeed. he was the head of counter—terrorism at the ministry of defence. so let's see what my panel make of what we've just heard. former brexit party mep ben habib is still with me and political commentator matthew stadlen. well there's a relief , commentator matthew stadlen. well there's a relief, ben. no sight of any nuclear war for now . for now. i mean, you made a wow— . for now. i mean, you made a wow goot— . for now. i mean, you made a wow good point.— . for now. i mean, you made a wow good point. i— for now. i mean, you made a very good point. i think in the iost— very good point. i think in the iost tint— very good point. i think in the last first half— very good point. i think in the last first half of— very good point. i think in the last first half of this show, whon— last first half of this show, whon wou— last first half of this show, when you asked, you know, what wouit— when you asked, you know, what wouit this— when you asked, you know, what would this mean— when you asked, you know, what would this mean for china and othoi— would this mean for china and othot people-7_ would this mean for china and other people? and i think to towoion— other people? and i think to doctors thot— other people? and i think to develop that point, you know, whon— develop that point, you know, when confidence _ develop that point, you know, when confidence in a leader goes.— when confidence in a leader goos it— when confidence in a leader goos it con— when confidence in a leader goos, it go— when confidence in a leader goes, it can go quite quickly. ant— goes, it can go quite quickly. ant it— goes, it can go quite quickly. and if china— goes, it can go quite quickly. and if china sees— goes, it can go quite quickly. and if china sees putin as a iono— and if china sees putin as a

iono ouch— and if china sees putin as a lame duck president, it may seek to oxnioit— lame duck president, it may seek to oohioit tho— lame duck president, it may seek to exploit the position in on tho— to exploit the position in on the geopolitical— to exploit the position in on the geopolitical stage. it may soot— the geopolitical stage. it may soot to,— the geopolitical stage. it may soot to, wou— the geopolitical stage. it may seek to, you know, push its own ogonto— seek to, you know, push its own ogonoo totwont— seek to, you know, push its own agenda forward in— seek to, you know, push its own agenda forward in areas which it othotwiso— agenda forward in areas which it otherwise would— agenda forward in areas which it otherwise would have been a iittio— otherwise would have been a iittio shw— otherwise would have been a iittio shw ot— otherwise would have been a little shy of. for— otherwise would have been a little shy of. for example , or, little shy of. for example, or, you— little shy of. for example, or, wou know,— little shy of. for example, or, you know, down— little shy of. for example, or, you know, down in in the south iost— you know, down in in the south iost-nosin— you know, down in in the south iost-hosin .— you know, down in in the south east-basin . no,- you know, down in in the south east-basin . no, i- you know, down in in the south east basin . no, i mean you know, down in in the south east basin. no, i mean , i east asian basin. no, i mean, i think— east asian basin. no, i mean, i think this— east asian basin. no, i mean, i think this is— east asian basin. no, i mean, i think this is assuming this isn-t— think this is assuming this isnt o— think this is assuming this isn't a false— think this is assuming this isn't a false flag operation, ossuning— isn't a false flag operation, assuming what— isn't a false flag operation, assuming what we're seeing isn't conpiotoiw— assuming what we're seeing isn't completely contrived between wognoi— completely contrived between wognotctoun— completely contrived between wagner group and putin. some ploy,— wagner group and putin. some otow, os— wagner group and putin. some otow, os wou— wagner group and putin. some ploy, as you again, very sonsihiw— ploy, as you again, very sensibly suggested. you know , sensibly suggested. you know, night— sensibly suggested. you know, night to— sensibly suggested. you know, might be something to get the wognoi— might be something to get the wognot coun— might be something to get the wagner group into belarus under cover and then— wagner group into belarus under cover and then into— wagner group into belarus under cover and then into ukraine, ossuning— cover and then into ukraine, ossuning it— cover and then into ukraine, assuming it isn't— cover and then into ukraine, assuming it isn't that this is ciooniw— assuming it isn't that this is ciooniw o— assuming it isn't that this is cioonw o hig— assuming it isn't that this is clearly a big challenge to putin.— clearly a big challenge to tutin. ant— clearly a big challenge to putin. and you're the strong putin. and if you're the strong non-putin— putin. and if you're the strong man-putin-eitherl man that putin is, you either get— man that putin is, you either got o— man that putin is, you either got o-ot— man that putin is, you either got o-ot tho— man that putin is, you either get a-of the long- man that putin is, you either get a of the long knives, get a night of the long knives, which— get a night of the long knives, which is— get a night of the long knives, which is what— get a night of the long knives, which is what general chapman toiting— which is what general chapman was talking about, or you get a wow— was talking about, or you get a wow hig— was talking about, or you get a wow hig show— was talking about, or you get a wow hig show ot— was talking about, or you get a very big show of force in uhoino.— very big show of force in ukraine.ithink- very big show of force in ukraine. think we're going to ukraine. i think we're going to sonothing— ukraine. i think we're going to see something putin. ukraine. i think we're going to. see something-putin. see something from from putin. war.— see something from from putin. moth-whot— see something from from putin. well,-what-trying. well, this is what i was trying to at. he's not going to to get at. he's not going to ottoi— to get at. he's not going to ottoi ott— to get at. he's not going to after all, he's— to get at. he's not going to after all, he's put- gill he's not going to after all, he's put into this ottoi— after all, he's put into this ottoi ott— after all, he's put into this after all the— after all, he's put into this after all the years he's been wositont. — after all the years he's been president. he's— after all the years he's been president. he's not just going to-his— president. he's not just going to-his hands— president. he's not just going to-his hands up- president. he's not just going to his hands up say,

to throw his hands up and say, all to throw his hands up and say, oii night,— to throw his hands up and say, all right, then— to throw his hands up and say, all right, then someone else howo—is- all right, then someone elsei howo—is ho. have a shot at this. is he. woon— have a shot at this. is he. vooh i— have a shot at this. is he. yeah, i think,— have a shot at this. is he. yeah, i think, first- have a shot at this. yeah, i think, first of all, tniiw— yeah, i think, first of all, iniiw, wou— yeah, i think, first of all, emily, you did- yeah, i think, first of all, emily, you did ask a good guostion— emily, you did ask a good question, asking where the wognon— question, asking where the wagner mercenaries are going to go. wagner mercenaries are going to gowos—- wagner mercenaries are going to gowos— wotil go. and the answer was, well, how— go. and the answer was, well, they-90— go. and the answer was, well, thow-go noct- go. and the answer was, well, they go back abroad. i they might go back abroad. i ton-t— they might go back abroad. i ton-t-wo— they might go back abroad. i don't-we-well,| they might go back abroad. i- don't-we-well, there don't think we know. well, there are thousands of ex—cons. you know, i want to know- you know, i want to know where thow-io— know, i want to know where thow-io-to— know, i want to know where thow-io-to-a- know, i want to know where . they're _to -a highly they're going to be. a highly ttoinoci— they're going to be. a highly trained, vicious ex—cons. i did see that a former prime- “ci: . it f i did see that a former prime minister of see that a former prime minister ot-who— see that a former prime minister ot-who is— see that a former prime minister of-who is prime- see that a former prime minister of who is prime minister, of russia who is prime minister, i of russia who is prime minister, i think— of russia who is prime minister, i think zooo— of russia who is prime minister, i think 2000 to— of russia who is prime minister, i think 2000 to 2004 under putin-s— i think 2000 to 2004 under putin's presidency. kasyanov no-s— putin's presidency. kasyanov nosos—- putin's presidency. kasyanov no-s—oslosl he's saying that as far as inigozhin— he's saying that as far as prigozhin concerned, he'll prigozhin is concerned, he'll otohohiw— prigozhin is concerned, he'll probably belarus, prigozhin is concerned, he'll- probably-belarus,-then probably go to belarus, but then end-somewhere— probably go to belarus, but then end-somewhere in— probably go to belarus, but then end somewhere in the jungle end up somewhere in the jungle in-hocouso— end up somewhere in the jungle in-because-not. in africa because putin is not going—this- in africa because putin is not. going—this wasn't in africa because putin is not goiiargument, this wasn't in africa because putin is not goiiargument, but this wasn't in africa because putin is not goiiargument, but there wasn't in africa because putin is not goiiargument, but there isasn't in africa because putin is not goiiargument, but there is an�*t his argument, but there is an oigunont— his argument, but there is an argument that— his argument, but there is an argument that suggests putin witt— argument that suggests putin wit-untit— argument that suggests putin will-until he's- argument that suggests putin will until he's got will not rest until he's got this— will not rest until he's got this-hoot- will not rest until he's got this-head on- will not rest until he's got this head on plate. this man's head on a plate. ihoio-s— this man's head on a plate. there's-bundle- this man's head on a plate. there's bundle of there's such a bundle of contradictions- there's such a bundle of contradictions right. so, contradictions here. right. so, hist— contradictions here. right. so, tint-how— contradictions here. right. so, first-how close- contradictions here. right. so, first how close are we first of all, how close are we in-wosto— first of all, how close are we in .west? once - first of all, how close are we in west? once were to putin? in the west? once were to putin? i in the west? once were to putin? i noon— in the west? once were to putin? i this— in the west? once were to putin? i this guw— in the west? once were to putin? i mean, this guy, this monster, tho— i mean, this guy, this monster, tho hoot— i mean, this guy, this monster, tho hoot ot— i mean, this guy, this monster, the head of the— i mean, this guy, this monster, the head of the wagner group our onow-s— the head of the wagner group our ononw-s—tnont. - enemy's enemy is our friend. mowho. — enemy's enemy is our friend. mowho. .ho-s— enemy's enemy is our friend. mowho. .ho-s-o- enemy's enemy is our friend. i maybe.-he's-a monster. maybe. but he's still a monster. he maybe. but he's still a monster. no—ho— maybe. but he's still a monster. no—ho os- maybe. but he's still a monster. he_he was putin'si he served when he was putin's chot— he served when he was putin's chot-ho— he served when he was putin's chef.-he served- he served when he was putin's chef. he served now chef. i think he served the now ting— chef. i think he served the now ting choiios— chef. i think he served the now king charles-he- chef. i think he served the now king charles he was prince king charles when he was prince choiios— king charles when he was prince charles, putin— king charles when he was prince charles, putin shared an unhioiio— charles, putin shared an. umbrella-president umbrella with the president of tonco— umbrella with the president of france, macron_ umbrella with the president of france, macron at— umbrella with the president of france, macron at the 2018 world cup france, macron at the 2018 world

cunlitussio. — france, macron at the 2018 world cup-russia. _forces- france, macron at the 2018 world cup russia. forces us cup in russia. so this forces us ogoin— cup in russia. so this forces us ogoin to— cup in russia. so this forces us ogoin to this— cup in russia. so this forces us again to this forces again to onon— again to this forces again to onon ou— again to this forces again to ohon owos— again to this forces again to open our eyes just on your guostion— open our eyes just on your guostion-ont- open our eyes just on your. question,-andlthink open our eyes just on your- question,-andlthink it question, though, and i think it is oiso— question, though, and i think it is oiso o— question, though, and i think it is also a really— question, though, and i think it is also a really important one, how— is also a really important one, how toos— is also a really important one, how does putin— is also a really important one, how does putin react now? i think— how does putin react now? i thintlis— how does putin react now? i thintlis o— how does putin react now? i thinklis a jolly— how does putin react now? i think is a jolly good thing, think it is a jolly good thing, oithough— think it is a jolly good thing, although himself is an although putin himself is an owi— although putin himself is an owii-hos— although putin himself is an evil has unleashed evil man and has unleashed horrors— evil man and has unleashed honors in— evil man and has unleashed horrors in ukraine that this gongstor— horrors in ukraine that this gongstor-not- horrors in ukraine that this gangster not hold of gangster has not got hold of nucooir— gangster has not got hold of nuclear weapons, was nuclear weapons, if that was. even ever a possibility. because thon— even ever a possibility. because thon wo— even ever a possibility. because thon wo rooiiw— even ever a possibility. because then we really might be on the trink— then we really might be on the hunt—whot- then we really might be on thei brink—what does brink of nuclear war. what does putin— brink of nuclear war. what does putin-russia?- brink of nuclear war. what does putin russia? because putin do within russia? because ton-t— putin do within russia? because ton-t-oniw— putin do within russia? because don't-only.hours- putin do within russia? because don't only hours ago don't forget, only 24 hours ago or-toit— don't forget, only 24 hours ago or-toit tho— don't forget, only 24 hours ago or told the russian or so, he told the russian ooopio— or so, he told the russian topic in— or so, he told the russian topic in on— or so, he told the russian people in an address that prigozhin— people in an address that prigozhin had— people in an address that prigozhin had basically stabbed the prigozhin had basically stabbed tho-tho— prigozhin had basically stabbed tho-tho hock.- prigozhin had basically stabbed the the back. now, he the nation in the back. now, he hosn-t— the nation in the back. now, he hasn't crushed— the nation in the back. now, he hasn't crushed because he's done a hasn't crushed because he's done o toot— hasn't crushed because he's done o toot vio— hasn't crushed because he's done a deal via another— hasn't crushed because he's done a deal via another president, onothor— a deal via another president, another monster— a deal via another president, another monster in in belarus, iutoshonto. — another monster in in belarus, lukashenko. so— another monster in in belarus, lukashenko. so there is a very strong— lukashenko. so there is a very strong schooi— lukashenko. so there is a very strong school of— lukashenko. so there is a very strong school of thought that this— strong school of thought that this is— strong school of thought that this is o— strong school of thought that this is a humiliated president. whon— this is a humiliated president. when presidents— this is a humiliated president. when presidents are humiliated, bad when presidents are humiliated, hot hoonio— when presidents are humiliated, hot topic oro— when presidents are humiliated, bad people are humiliated, they can bad people are humiliated, they oithor— bad people are humiliated, they oithor .— bad people are humiliated, they can either , as— bad people are humiliated, they can either , as you— bad people are humiliated, they can either , as you say, ben, can either, as you say, ben, suttor— can either, as you say, ben, suttor tho— can either, as you say, ben, suffer the night— can either, as you say, ben, suffer the night of the long aniwos— suffer the night of the long aniwos. ant— suffer the night of the long knives. and a— suffer the night of the long knives. and a lot of commentators, i suspect, think this— commentators, i suspect, think this-hoginning- commentators, i suspect, think this-beginning of- commentators, i suspect, think this beginning of the end this is the beginning of the end for this is the beginning of the end tor-goos— this is the beginning of the end tor-tooslgo- this is the beginning of the end for-does.go downi this is the beginning of the endi for-does.go down in for him. but does he go down in son— for him. but does he go down in some sort-blaze— for him. but does he go down in some sort blaze evil some sort of blaze of evil glory?— some sort of blaze of evil glory? i— some sort of blaze of evil glory? i-think- some sort of blaze of evil glory? i think that would glory? i don't think that would inwoiwo— glory? i don't think that would involve nuclear— glory? i don't think that would involve nuclear weapons. and i'm not-swo— involve nuclear weapons. and i'm not-suro ho— involve nuclear weapons. and i'm not-suro ho con—

involve nuclear weapons. and i'm not-sure he can do- involve nuclear weapons. and i'm not sure he can do that in not even sure he can do that in utroino— not even sure he can do that in ukraine because— not even sure he can do that in ukraine because ukraine have noon— ukraine because ukraine have. been _effectively been pushing back so effectively go been pushing back so effectively tho-a— been pushing back so effectively go-o hiozo— been pushing back so effectively go-o hiozo ot- been pushing back so effectively go-a blaze of evil- been pushing back so effectively go a blaze of evil glory go down in a blaze of evil glory thot— go down in a blaze of evil glory hot-toot.— go down in a blaze of evil glory thot-toor. — go down in a blaze of evil glory thot-toor. i— go down in a blaze of evil glory that-fear. i wonder- go down in a blaze of evil glory that fear. : that is my fear. i wonder what you at home think listening to this do you this watching this. what do you think does next? is he think putin does next? is he embarrassed humiliated, embarrassed, humiliated, as people are saying? is he perhaps going to be even more aggressive as a result of what's going on? do you think there's some kind of master plan at play here? let me know . do get of master plan at play here? let me know. do get in of master plan at play here? let me know . do get in touch. me know. do get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. coming up after the break, discussing the break, we'll be discussing the titan sub tragedy after five people were killed due to what was described as a catastrophic implosion. but why has the tragedy become the latest battlefield in the culture war? we've got all of that to come. i'm emily carver. you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's news channel. hello there. i'm jonathan voutrow— hello there. i'm jonathan voutrow .— hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey . who— hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey . who of your latest gb vautrey. who of your latest gb wows— vautrey. who of your latest gb news weather— vautrey. who of your latest gb news weather forecast provided by news weather forecast provided hw tho — news weather forecast provided hw tho mot— news weather forecast provided by the met office? heat and hunititw— by the met office? heat and humidity really— by the met office? heat and humidity really has been huiiting— humidity really has been building over— humidity really has been building over the past few days, but building over the past few days, hut-ston— building over the past few days, hut-ston ot— building over the past few days, but-start of the- building over the past few days, but start of the new but for the start of the new working — but for the start of the new

w0.kr.g-,_ but for the start of the new working -, there - but for the start of the new working , there is slight working week, there is a slight chongo— working week, there is a slight chongoltho— working week, there is a slight change .the way— working week, there is a slight change the way because behind change on the way because behind this coit— change on the way because behind this coit-o— change on the way because behind this cold-a _are - this cold front a winds are shitting— this cold front a winds are shitting to— this cold front a winds are shifting to more of a westerly tiroction—inl direction, helping to feed in some _fresher- direction, helping to feed in some _fresher ,- direction, helping to feed in some fresher , less some slightly fresher, less hunit— some slightly fresher, less humid-whilst- some slightly fresher, less humid whilst the cold humid air. but whilst the cold nont— humid air. but whilst the cold tront is— humid air. but whilst the cold front is with— humid air. but whilst the cold front is with us,— humid air. but whilst the cold front is with us, there will be hringing— front is with us, there will be bringing outbreaks of heavy bringing some outbreaks of heavy rain:— bringing some outbreaks of heavy rain, thunderstorms rain, some thunderstorms nossihio— rain, some thunderstorms possible for— rain, some thunderstorms possible for eastern england, oostrn— possible for eastern england,| oostorn—or eastern scotland and parts of oostrn— eastern northern ireland throughout— eastern northern ireland throughout evening will throughout this evening will owontuoiiw— throughout this evening will eventually clear its way towards the eventually clear its way towards tho—court- the north—east, but could be onto— the north—east, but could be guitoltonn— the north—east, but could be quite damp night shetland. quite a damp night for shetland. dry quite a damp night for shetland. orw oisowhoro— quite a damp night for shetland. orw oisowhoro .— quite a damp night for shetland. dry elsewhere , a— quite a damp night for shetland. dry elsewhere , a scattering of dry elsewhere, a scattering of showors— dry elsewhere, a scattering of showors-tho— dry elsewhere, a scattering of showers the northwest showers across the far northwest _us witt— showers across the far northwest _us wiii soo- showers across the far northwest ._us will see some. . but most of us will see some cioor— . but most of us will see some cioor shos.— . but most of us will see some clear skies. as— . but most of us will see some clear skies. as with— . but most of us will see some clear skies. as with those troshor— clear skies. as with those fresher conditions in place, though—wiiil though, temperatures will be a notch— though, temperatures will be a notch iowor— though, temperatures will be a notch lower-last- though, temperatures will be a notch lower last night. so notch lower than last night. so a notch lower than last night. so ornor-o— notch lower than last night. so a more comfortable for a bit more comfortable for sioooing— a bit more comfortable for sleeping around 12 to 14 c as montow— sleeping around 12 to 14 c as montow stons— sleeping around 12 to 14 c as monday starts on— sleeping around 12 to 14 c as monday starts on a relatively tino— monday starts on a relatively tino noto— monday starts on a relatively tino age, a— monday starts on a relatively fine note, a good— monday starts on a relatively fine note, a good amount of sunshino— fine note, a good amount of sunshino .— fine note, a good amount of sunshine . first— fine note, a good amount of sunshine . first the sunshine. first thing. the showers, though, will bubble up into tho— showers, though, will bubble up into the afternoon.— showers, though, will bubble up into the afternoon. some of thoso— into the afternoon. some of thoso-hooww- into the afternoon. some of those heavy across into the afternoon. some of- those - heavy across the those could be heavy across the nonhorn— those could be heavy across the nonhorn-ot— those could be heavy across the northern .of the _ those could be heavy across the northern of the still northern half of the uk. still tho— northern half of the uk. still tho choco— northern half of the uk. still the chance of— northern half of the uk. still the chance of a— northern half of the uk. still the chance of a few thunderstorms there the chance of a few- thunderstormslthere across thunderstorms in there across woios— thunderstorms in there across wales-central— thunderstorms in there across wales central southern wales into central southern areas—tending. wales into central southerni areas—tending to wales into central southern- areas_tending to stay areas of england tending to stay onor— areas of england tending to stay drier-noticeably— areas of england tending to stay drier noticeably fresher drier, but noticeably fresher for drier, but noticeably fresher tor-ot— drier, but noticeably fresher tor-or us— drier, but noticeably fresher for of us compared to sunday for all of us compared to sunday highs— for all of us compared to sunday highs gonoroiiw— for all of us compared to sunday highs generally between 1920 two togroos— highs generally between 1920 two degrees celsius.— highs generally between 1920 two degrees celsius. still maybe the

hit— degrees celsius. still maybe the hit 20s— degrees celsius. still maybe the mid 20s across— degrees celsius. still maybe the mid 20s across the— degrees celsius. still maybe the mid 20s across the far southeast , ioto— mid 20s across the far southeast , some late evening— mid 20s across the far southeast , some late evening sunshine as the , some late evening sunshine as tho showors— , some late evening sunshine as the showers generally fade their way the showers generally fade their wow ott— the showers generally fade their wow ott .— the showers generally fade their wow ott . tho— the showers generally fade their way off . the sunshine though way off. the sunshine though a bit way off. the sunshine though a hit hozw— way off. the sunshine though a hit how in— way off. the sunshine though a bit hazy in places— way off. the sunshine though a bit hazy in places increasingly as bit hazy in places increasingly os this— bit hazy in places increasingly as this cloud— bit hazy in places increasingly as this cloud builds its way in tron— as this cloud builds its way in tron tho— as this cloud builds its way in from the west.— as this cloud builds its way in from the west. quite a damp socont— from the west. quite a damp socont hott— from the west. quite a damp second half of— from the west. quite a damp second half of the night for monhorn— second half of the night for northern ireland with this rain noting— northern ireland with this rain nowing its— northern ireland with this rain nowing its wow— northern ireland with this rain moving its way in, the humidity oiso— moving its way in, the humidity oiso rust— moving its way in, the humidity also just beginning to build up also just beginning to build up o—ihot- also just beginning to build up o—ihot roin| a touch once again. that rain thon— a touch once again. that rain thon-its— a touch once again. that rain thon-its wow- a touch once again. that rain then-its way into- then pushes its way into sagan,— then pushes its way into scotland, northern england and woios— scotland, northern england and woios tor— scotland, northern england and wales for the— scotland, northern england and wales for the start tuesday . wales for the start of tuesday. hut— wales for the start of tuesday. but - southeast - wales for the start of tuesday. but southeast and parts but the far southeast and parts of but the far southeast and parts ot-nonhorn— but the far southeast and parts of-northern isles- but the far southeast and parts of northern isles staying of the northern isles staying onor— of the northern isles stayingi drier—morning of the northern isles staying. drier—morning . drier throughout the morning. ihot—its— drier throughout the morning. ihot—itswow- drier throughout the morning. that its way through that rain clears its way through rotor— that rain clears its way through iotor on— that rain clears its way through iotor on-tow.— that rain clears its way through later on-day. but- that rain clears its way through later on day. but we've later on in the day. but we've got— later on in the day. but we've got turthor— later on in the day. but we've got further frontal systems and ionos— got further frontal systems and tongs-rootw— got further frontal systems and bands-ready to- got further frontal systems and bands ready to push bands of rain ready to push thoir— bands of rain ready to push thoir-in— bands of rain ready to push thoir-in ot— bands of rain ready to push their in at points over the their way in at points over the course of the— their way in at points over the course of the next— their way in at points over the course of the next week. so it's rooting— course of the next week. so it's rooting-o— course of the next week. so it's looking a relatively looking like a relatively unsettled— looking like a relatively unsettled one. temperatures, though— unsettled one. temperatures, though,_around. unsettled one. temperatures,- though,_around where though, holding up around where thow— though, holding up around where thow shouit— though, holding up around where thow shouit ho— though, holding up around where they should be in— though, holding up around where they should be in the mid to low as—

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tv, online and digital radio. so before the break, we were discussing— so before the break, we were discussing the _ so before the break, we were discussing the wagner rebellion in itussio— discussing the wagner rebellion in tiara, ont— discussing the wagner rebellion in russia, and you've been gotting— in russia, and you've been gotting in— in russia, and you've been getting in touch thick and fast . whot— getting in touch thick and fast . whot howo— getting in touch thick and fast . what have we— getting in touch thick and fast . what have we got? ian says ho-s— . what have we got? ian says ho-s writton— . what have we got? ian says he's written in.— . what have we got? ian says he's written in. he says, i think— he's written in. he says, i think wo— he's written in. he says, i think we all— he's written in. he says, i think we all might have it wong — think we all might have it wong it— think we all might have it wrong. it was— think we all might have it wrong. it was never a coup rohoiiion. — wrong. it was never a coup rebellion. maybe but on the gonorois— rebellion. maybe but on the generals, not— rebellion. maybe but on the generals, not putin. i think thot— generals, not putin. i think thot putin— generals, not putin. i think that putin and— generals, not putin. i think that putin and the wagner group tootor— that putin and the wagner group tootor uso— that putin and the wagner group leader use this— that putin and the wagner group leader use this to— that putin and the wagner group leader use this to smoke the gonorois— leader use this to smoke the gonorois-vou— leader use this to smoke the generals you may well be generals out. you may well be right—sows. - generals out. you may well be right—sows. nos- generals out. you may well be right says. has the right there, tony says. has the wognor— right there, tony says. has the wognor-iunnot- wagner group jumped ship and honor— wagner group jumped ship and joined-belarus- wagner group jumped ship and joined belarus now that joined up with belarus now that how— joined up with belarus now that thow-got— joined up with belarus now that they-got nuclear- joined up with belarus now that they got nuclear weapons? i they have got nuclear weapons? i hono— they have got nuclear weapons? i hopo wow— they have got nuclear weapons? i hopo worw nuch— they have got nuclear weapons? i hope very much not, peter says . hope very much not, peter says. whot— hope very much not, peter says. whot oro— hope very much not, peter says. whot tho— hope very much not, peter says. what are the odds— hope very much not, peter says. what are the odds on prigozhin oithor— what are the odds on prigozhin either accidentally falling from a either accidentally falling from o high— either accidentally falling from o high wintow— either accidentally falling from a high window or— either accidentally falling from a high window or ending up in hosnitoi— a high window or ending up in hospitoi with— a high window or ending up in hospital with a— a high window or ending up in hospital with a mystery stomach notion — hospital with a mystery stomach problem probably— hospital with a mystery stomach problem probably quite high. and rout— problem probably quite high. and rout .— problem probably quite high. and rout , ho-s— problem probably quite high. and paul , he's written— problem probably quite high. and paul, he's written in. he says, i paul, he's written in. he says, ithink— paul, he's written in. he says, ithint its— paul, he's written in. he says, ithint to o— paul, he's written in. he says, i think it's a ruse— paul, he's written in. he says, i think it's a ruse and a test tron— i think it's a ruse and a test tron putin— i think it's a ruse and a test from putin to— i think it's a ruse and a test from putin to extract the enemies from - from putin to extract the enemies from within. well there you enemies from within. well there wou go. — enemies from within. well there wou go. a— enemies from within. well there wou go. a nuoo— enemies from within. well there you go. a mixed bag of views coming— you go. a mixed bag of views conning in.— you go. a mixed bag of views coming in. please— you go. a mixed bag of views coming in. please do keep them coming.— coming in. please do keep them coming ant— coming in. please do keep them coming. and subscribe to our wouiuho— coming. and subscribe to our youtube channel— coming. and subscribe to our youtube channel while you're at it. -on— youtube channel while you're at it-on iwitton- youtube channel while you're at it. on twitter. we're it. follow us on twitter. we're at it. follow us on twitter. we're ot ch— it. follow us on twitter. we're ot ch wows.— it. follow us on twitter. we're at gb news. you— it. follow us on twitter. we're at gb news. you can get all the wow— at gb news. you can get all the wow-ont— at gb news. you can get all the wow-onco our— at gb news. you can get all the very and our website, of

very latest and our website, of cousoow-mos— very latest and our website, of course,.news dot- very latest and our website, of course, news dot so course, gb news dot com. so noting— course, gb news dot com. so moving on— course, gb news dot com. so moving on, this— course, gb news dot com. so moving on, this week we of course, reported— moving on, this week we of course, reported on the sad tooths— course, reported on the sad tooths ot— course, reported on the sad deaths of the— course, reported on the sad deaths of the five crew members ohoort — deaths of the five crew members ohoort o— deaths of the five crew members aboard a tourist— deaths of the five crew members aboard a tourist submarine. the nrositont— aboard a tourist submarine. the hrositont ot— aboard a tourist submarine. the president of the— aboard a tourist submarine. the president of the titanic international- president of the titanic international society has said it's international society has said its timo— international society has said its tino to— international society has said it's time to consider banning poonio— it's time to consider banning poohto-wisiting- it's time to consider banning people visiting the people from visiting the wreck of- altogether. - people from visiting the wreck of - altogether. it - people from visiting the wreck of altogether. it goes of the ship altogether. it goes without— of the ship altogether. it goes without saying— of the ship altogether. it goes without saying that the inoiosion— without saying that the implosion of- without saying that the implosion of the titanic sub was a implosion of the titanic sub was o-hut— implosion of the titanic sub was o-hut thot— implosion of the titanic sub was a-but that hadn't- a tragedy, but that hadn't stoppot— a tragedy, but that hadn't stopped some— a tragedy, but that hadn't stopped some people from trying to scoro— stopped some people from trying to score-points,- stopped some people from trying to score-points, has- to score political points, has it? to score political points, has ito—owont- to score political points, has ito—owont to| it? comparing the event to nigronts— it? comparing the event to migrants sinking in the channel and migrants sinking in the channel ont thow-ro— migrants sinking in the channel and they're asking why doesn't it-tho— and they're asking why doesn't it-tho soo— and they're asking why doesn't it the same amount of it receive the same amount of o ititgo— it receive the same amount of cover ? ridge has— it receive the same amount of cover ? ridge has this all thing? cover? ridge has this all thing? nos— cover? ridge has this all thing? nos this— cover? ridge has this all thing? has this whole— cover? ridge has this all thing? has this whole thing become a cuituro— has this whole thing become a cuituro wo— has this whole thing become a culture war battlefield? so tot-s— culture war battlefield? so tot-s — culture war battlefield? so let's see what— culture war battlefield? so let's see what my panel think. tornor— let's see what my panel think. former brexit— let's see what my panel think. former brexit party mep ben notin— former brexit party mep ben nohih ont— former brexit party mep ben habib and political commentator motthow— habib and political commentator matthew stadlen.— habib and political commentator matthew stadlen. matthew, i'm going— matthew stadlen. matthew, i'm going to— matthew stadlen. matthew, i'm going to ston— matthew stadlen. matthew, i'm going to start with you this timo— going to start with you this tino .— going to start with you this tino . wo— going to start with you this time . we have— going to start with you this time . we have seen from mayor time. we have seen from mayor cought— time. we have seen from mayor cought tottw— time. we have seen from mayor caught lefty commentators , caught lefty commentators, porhons— caught lefty commentators, porhohsthot— caught lefty commentators, perhaps that what we saw from ash— perhaps that what we saw from ash sortor— perhaps that what we saw from ash sarkar didn't— perhaps that what we saw from ash sarkar didn't we, who is a sort— ash sarkar didn't we, who is a self proclaimed— ash sarkar didn't we, who is a self proclaimed communist, she a iuxurw— self proclaimed communist, she a luxurvr o— self proclaimed communist, she a luxuryr o luxury— self proclaimed communist, she a luxury, a luxury communist luxury— luxury, a luxury communist luxury communist, she said ,

luxury communist, she said, titn-t— luxury communist, she said, titn-t shoo— luxury communist, she said, didn't she? she— luxury communist, she said, didn't she? she said something like didn't she? she said something iito this.— didn't she? she said something like this. she— didn't she? she said something like this. she said, this is owitonco— like this. she said, this is evidence that— like this. she said, this is evidence that this disaster is owitonco— evidence that this disaster is evidence that— evidence that this disaster is evidence that rich people aren't torot— evidence that rich people aren't toxot onough— evidence that rich people aren't taxed enough. this tasteful. so i taxed enough. this tasteful. so itwootou— taxed enough. this tasteful. so itwootou .— taxed enough. this tasteful. so itwootou . in— taxed enough. this tasteful. so i tweeted . in response- taxed enough. this tasteful. so i tweeted . in response to- taxed enough. this tasteful. so i tweeted . in response to one of i tweeted. in response to one of her tweets, which her tweet was getting a lot of attention. i got involved. i think my tweet was the most, most prominent of the tweets against it. what she was saying. i thought some of the stuff that she was saying dunng the stuff that she was saying during this unfolding tragedy were really quite revolting . were really quite revolting. right. so that's what i said earlier about not tarring all the left with the same brush. i'm someone who wasn't able to vote for labour party when vote for the labour party when jeremy leader. so jeremy corbyn was leader. so that's first thing. second that's the first thing. second thing, standards— that's the first thing. second thing, standardsido- �*" g second thing, standards do have my thing, standards i do have my stontorts. — thing, standards i do have my standards. the— thing, standards i do have my standards. f: g standards. the second thing is i thought to say thought you're going to say you're too young to vote. you thought asked whether you're too young to vote. you thas ht asked whether you're too young to vote. you thas at asked whether you're too young to vote. you thas at university asked whether you're too young to vote. you thas at university at ked whether you're too young to vote. you thas at university at the whether you're too young to vote. you thas at university at the sameier i was at university at the same time you were. well, no, i'm time as you were. well, no, i'm rust— time as you were. well, no, i'm rust hitting. — time as you were. well, no, i'm rust hitting. mo,— time as you were. well, no, i'm just kidding. no, i'm— e "rwzz; well, no, i'm just kidding. no, i'm flattering you just kidding. no, i'm flattering wou now— just kidding. no, i'm flattering you now, matthew. thank you. hos. — you now, matthew. thank you. vos. crowing— you now, matthew. thank you. yes. clawing it— you now, matthew. thank you. yes. clawing it back?- you now, matthew. thank you. yes. g e f“ \rzr yes. clawing it back? no, honestly, on a serious point, i am as i

am not someone who, as i said earlier, that i think that somehow billionaires lives don't matter, let alone that billionaires to billionaires sort of deserve to die if they're doing something that might agree that others might not agree with. to make with. okay. so i want to make that absolutely but do that absolutely clear. but i do also to issue with also want to take issue with what you said just then in your question introduction. question or your introduction. i don't think that out don't think that calling out the discrepancy given to discrepancy in coverage given to that submersible where there were human lives were five valuable human lives on board compared to the coverage of a migrant ship going down with 750 people board down with 750 people on board last week ? i don't think that's last week? i don't think that's about politics that is about trying look at the way we trying to look at the way we value in this country value human life in this country . and is it not is it you're a news person , is— . and is it not is it you're a news person , is it- and is it not is it you're a news person , is it not simply news person, is it not simply thot— news person, is it not simply thot it— news person, is it not simply thot it is— news person, is it not simply thot it is o— news person, is it not simply that it is a more— news person, is it not simply that it is a more extraordinary pre— that it is a more extraordinary pro stow— that it is a more extraordinary pro storw .— that it is a more extraordinary pro storw , io— that it is a more extraordinary pro storw , it— that it is a more extraordinary pre story , i.e. it doesn't pre story, i.e. it doesn't hohhon— pre story, i.e. it doesn't hohpon so— pre story, i.e. it doesn't happen so often ? pre story, i.e. it doesn't— happen so often ? lots of things. happen so often? lots of things. there was a race for time to try and but that's there and it was just more of a thrilling story. well hang on. there's nothing thoro-s— well hang on. there's nothing there's nothing— ruiz“ wig there's nothing there's nothing thrilling sound a there's nothing thrilling sound o hit— there's nothing thrilling sound a bit distasteful?— there's nothing thrilling sound a bit distasteful? it does sound tistostotui— a bit distasteful? it does sound distasteful-people- distasteful. people listening understand it does understand what i mean? it does sound distasteful. i think

gripping-— sound distasteful. i think gripping- i_ sound distasteful. i think gripping. ithink- sound distasteful. i think- gripping. i think-matter. gripping. i think words matter. otow. — gripping. i think words matter. otow. ltirst— gripping. i think words matter. okay. .first. all, _ gripping. i think words matter. okay. .firstlall, it- gripping. i think words matter. okay. .firstlall, it is- okay. so first of all, it is extraordinary when 750 people, 100 of them children, go down in the sea, 500 of them presumed death. let's make no death. so let's make no bones about secondly, this idea about that. secondly, this idea that this story was gripping and exciting, that what exciting, no doubt that is what drew editors to the story, is what drew eyeballs to the to the website. they were billionaires. but it's i think it's but i think it's i think it's rather ghoulish, to be honest. of course, we should all care for those people. much for those people. i very much care just the 19 year old care not just the 19 year old kid on board with his kid who was on board with his dad, all of them, right. dad, but all of them, right. every human matters. but every human life matters. but there's to which people there's a degree to which people were and were rubbernecking, right? and there's which there's a degree to which i don't know what their motivations were, but unless they proper research they were doing proper research and don't forget, boris johnson wrote in the mail wrote a piece in the mail yesterday in which he was sort of lionising their heroism lionising british adventurism, british, british research, unless they were doing boris's bods unless they were doing boris's boris seriously. okay, to just tinish— boris seriously. okay, to just tinish tho — boris seriously. okay, to just finish the point,— okay, to just finish the point, unless they toing— finish the point, unless they were doing real— finish the point, unless they were doing real research, i con-t— were doing real research, i can't see much— were doing real research, i can't see much evidence that how— can't see much evidence that thow woro— can't see much evidence that they were then _ can't see much evidence that they were then in—

can't see much evidence that they were then in a sense they were rubbernecking at a tragedy thot— were rubbernecking at a tragedy thot cost— were rubbernecking at a tragedy that cost 1500 _ were rubbernecking at a tragedy that cost 1500 lives 100 years ogo. — that cost 1500 lives 100 years ogo. hoos— that cost 1500 lives 100 years ogo. hoos it— that cost 1500 lives 100 years ago. does it mean- that cost 1500 lives 100 years ago. e " ago. does it mean that they should be should be dead? does it mean that anyone should glory in score in their death or score political points where they are trying that? there was trying to do that? but there was something about this whole story that uncomfortable. that felt a bit uncomfortable. and am i wrong and i just think, am i wrong horoo— and i just think, am i wrong horoolthint— and i just think, am i wrong here?ithink it's— and i just think, am i wrong here? think it's bit here? i think it's a bit distasteful— here? i think it's a bit distasteful to leap on this and innotiotoiw— distasteful to leap on this and immediately compare it to onothor— immediately compare it to another tragedy. i don't think i ton-t— another tragedy. i don't think i ton-t think— another tragedy. i don't think i don't think any— another tragedy. i don't think i don't think any i— another tragedy. i don't think i don't think any i think tragedy shouitn-t— don't think any i think tragedy shouitn-t ho— don't think any i think tragedy shouldn't be compared. i think overw— shouldn't be compared. i think oworw trogouw— shouldn't be compared. i think oworw trogouw is— shouldn't be compared. i think every tragedy is separate about does our press and media care enough about migrants dying on on on on trips to europe? i mean, it was interesting that the 750 migrants who died trying to get into greece, they didn't all die sorry, 750 on a ship quite a few died. i think 500 or 500 or so died, got very little press coverage. i did find that quite extraordinary. and when i read about it, i thought, my goodness, was that when i first saw the headline or was that in the channel and then it got no

news coverage. and thought, news coverage. and i thought, that's really odd. but had it beenin that's really odd. but had it been in the channel, it would have.it been in the channel, it would have. it would have been huge news. well, that. news. well, you say that. i noon-mott.- news. well, you say that. i mean,-well, you - news. well, you say that. ij mean,-well, you say news. well, you say that. i- mean,-well, you say we're mean, well. well, you say we're quite concerned, rightly about what's ukraine. what's going on in ukraine. right and these people died closer ukraine. fact closer than ukraine. so the fact that happen in the that it didn't happen in the channel that it didn't happen in the channel, to at channel, we've got to look at the world in a bit more of a grown up way. there are no moral oguiwoioncios— grown up way. there are no moral equivalencies here. _ grown up way. there are no moral equivalencies here. you— g z. there are no moral equivalencies here. you know, we're responsible— equivalencies here. you know, we're responsible is a nation for we're responsible is a nation tor prosocuto— we're responsible is a nation for prosecute thing. international interventions which—illegal. which i think were illegal. tony hioir— blair iraq have ghanistan the aron— blair iraq have ghanistan the aron-vou— blair iraq have ghanistan the arab-you-we'vel arab spring. you know we've cousoo— arab spring. you know we've cousotliot— arab spring. you know we've causedllot of— arab spring. you know we've caused lot of destruction caused a lot of destruction orourt— caused a lot of destruction around-world,- caused a lot of destruction around world, arguably a lot around the world, arguably a lot of around the world, arguably a lot ot tho— around the world, arguably a lot ot tho iso— around the world, arguably a lot of the 750 who _ around the world, arguably a lot of the 750 who were on that boat on-hoot— of the 750 who were on that boat were on boat because of were on that boat because of tony— were on that boat because of ionw hioin— were on that boat because of tony blair, because he tony blair, because of what he did tony blair, because of what he tit-ooriw— tony blair, because of what he did _early 2000. - did in the early 2000. unquestionably did in the early 2000.— unquestionably but i think most of those people actually were from but there's from pakistan. but there's no moral equivalence. you can't draw moral equivalence. you can't trow noroi— rzr: f you can't draw moral equivalencies. that's the draw moral equivalencies. that's tho-twing— draw moral equivalencies. that's tho-twinglnoto. i the point i'm trying to make. ana.— the point i'm trying to make. anti—tho. - the point i'm trying to make. and,-the. what. the point i'm trying to make. and,-the. what do the point i'm trying to make.- and,-the. what do you and, you know, the. what do you mean by that? if we are as as digesters of the news and as people a democracy be allowed people in a democracy be allowed to the same time as to say at the same time as showing empathy compassion showing empathy and compassion for on a sub , they

for five people on a sub, they turned out not to be. but i think because it imploded. but we are able to look at the news and hang on a second, but and say, hang on a second, but i think you're trying to. 750 people have just capsized. that got, got very little got, as you say, got very little attention. five people are on this submersible are this submersible and we are obsessed submersible obsessed by the submersible and we're about we're quite relaxed about the 700 n0, we're quite relaxed about the 700 no, at what point 700 and no, but at what point but don't why why are we, but i don't why why are we, though? what do you think the reason was? i mean, you could go to atghoniston— reason was? i mean, you could go to afghanistan every— z , i mean, you could go to afghanistan every day of the woot— to afghanistan every day of the woot-out— to afghanistan every day of the week-out many- to afghanistan every day of the week out many more week and pull out many more ghouiish— week and pull out many more ghoulish stories— week and pull out many more ghoulish stories what the ghoulish stories about what the onion— ghoulish stories about what the ioiihon-oworw- ghoulish stories about what the taliban-every day- taliban are doing every day hocouso— taliban are doing every day because—and- taliban are doing every day- because_and american because the british and american toroign— foreign policy over 20 year noriot—uttorl period ending up in utter toiiuro— period ending up in utter failure against you, you could go to— failure against you, you could go to swrio— failure against you, you could go to syria right— failure against you, you could go to syria right now and you court— go to syria right now and you court-onw— go to syria right now and youj court-onw-ot could pull out any number of storios— could pull out any number of stories-wanted- could pull out any number of stories wanted to. i think stories you wanted to. i think whot-s— stories you wanted to. i think whot-s i— stories you wanted to. i think what's i think— stories you wanted to. i think what's i think it's— stories you wanted to. i think what's i think it's right that we gave the submersible coverage. think it is right. coverage. i think it is right. wo— coverage. i think it is right. wo tit— coverage. i think it is right. wo tit it.— coverage. i think it is right. we did it. this— coverage. i think it is right. we did it. this was a really unusuoi— we did it. this was a really unusual set— we did it. this was a really unusual set of— we did it. this was a really unusual set of circumstances, going— unusual set of circumstances, goingltonths— unusual set of circumstances, going depths that even going to depths that even nucooir— going to depths that even nuclear submarines can't get to. you— nuclear submarines can't get to. you know,— nuclear submarines can't get to. you know how— nuclear submarines can't get to. you know, thow go— nuclear submarines can't get to. you know, they go down to about town. — you know, they go down to about town. this— you know, they go down to about town. this is— you know, they go down to about 1000m. this is at— you know, they go down to about 1000m. this is at 3800m, nearly tour— 1000m. this is at 3800m, nearly tour tinos— 1000m. this is at 3800m, nearly four times the— 1000m. this is at 3800m, nearly four times the distance. i think it os— four times the distance. i think it tho— four times the distance. i think it was the fascinating, extraordinary. "

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oworw— russia's president says he has every confidence— russia's president says he has every confidence in his troops who— every confidence in his troops who oro— every confidence in his troops who are on the— every confidence in his troops who are on the front line in thoir— who are on the front line in their continued— who are on the front line in their continued war in ukraine. it's their continued war in ukraine. to ottor— their continued war in ukraine. to ottor tho— their continued war in ukraine. it's after the leader of the wognor— it's after the leader of the wagner mercenary group is now to hoot— wagner mercenary group is now to hoot to— wagner mercenary group is now to head to belarus— wagner mercenary group is now to head to belarus .— wagner mercenary group is now to head to belarus . last night, he head to belarus. last night, he nuiiot— head to belarus. last night, he puiiot his— head to belarus. last night, he pulled his troops— head to belarus. last night, he pulled his troops out to avoid hiootshot— pulled his troops out to avoid bloodshed as— pulled his troops out to avoid bloodshed as they headed for mosco— bloodshed as they headed for moscow on what's being described as moscow on what's being described os on ottonntot— moscow on what's being described as an attempted coup. they were on thoir— as an attempted coup. they were on thoir wow— as an attempted coup. they were on thoir wow to— as an attempted coup. they were on their way to remove russian connontor— on their way to remove russian commander that— on their way to remove russian commander that yevgeny prigozhin hionos— commander that yevgeny prigozhin hionos tor— commander that yevgeny prigozhin blames for mishandling the war in utroino. — blames for mishandling the war in ukraine. ukrainian mp aleksey conchoronto— in ukraine. ukrainian mp aleksey goncharenko believes putin's timo— goncharenko believes putin's tino is— goncharenko believes putin's time is running— goncharenko believes putin's time is running out. definitely if time is running out. definitely it this— time is running out. definitely it this nutinw— time is running out. definitely if this mutiny would continue for if this mutiny would continue tor sooroi— if this mutiny would continue for several days— if this mutiny would continue for several days longer batus sooroi— for several days longer batus several weeks— for several days longer batus several weeks longer , that will several weeks longer, that will be several weeks longer, that will to tho — several weeks longer, that will to tho ont— several weeks longer, that will ho tho ont ot— several weeks longer, that will be the end of russian army in utroino. — be the end of russian army in utroino. it— be the end of russian army in ukraine. it was— be the end of russian army in ukraine. it was too- be the end of russian army in ukraine. e r: {1 be the end of russian army in ukraine. e r: {

today in ukrainian victory than before . the chancellor says before. the chancellor says roising— before. the chancellor says raising interest— ”z; the chancellor says raising interest rates is one of tho— raising interest rates is one of tho nost— raising interest rates is one of the most effective methods to tort— the most effective methods to kerb inflation— the most effective methods to kerb inflation this week. rates hitot— kerb inflation this week. rates not up— kerb inflation this week. rates were hiked up to— kerb inflation this week. rates were hiked up to 5% from 4.5. tho— were hiked up to 5% from 4.5. iho isth— were hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise— were hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in— were hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in a— were hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in a row and the shornost— the 13th rise in a row and the sharpest increase— the 13th rise in a row and the sharpest increase since tohruorw— sharpest increase since february. the- sharpest increase since february. the move means nongogo— february. the move means mortgage holders are preparing for mortgage holders are preparing tor o— mortgage holders are preparing tor o hig— mortgage holders are preparing tor o hig jump— mortgage holders are preparing tor o hig rung in— mortgage holders are preparing for a big jump in their monthly rohownonts — for a big jump in their monthly repayments, writing in the mail on sundow— repayments, writing in the mail on sunday, jeremy hunt is urging thoso— on sunday, jeremy hunt is urging thoso struggiing— on sunday, jeremy hunt is urging those struggling to be patient with— those struggling to be patient with tho— those struggling to be patient with the painful— those struggling to be patient with the painful measures . and with the painful measures. and the with the painful measures. and tho tinoi— with the painful measures. and the final chance— with the painful measures. and the final chance to see music iogont— the final chance to see music togont sir— the final chance to see music legend sir elton— the final chance to see music legend sir elton john is fast oooooching— legend sir elton john is fast oooooching .— legend sir elton john is fast approaching . the rocket man is approaching. the rocket man is honging— approaching. the rocket man is honging uh— approaching. the rocket man is honging up his— approaching. the rocket man is hanging up his hat, his final show— hanging up his hat, his final show on— hanging up his hat, his final show on home— hanging up his hat, his final show on home turf will be this owoning— show on home turf will be this owoning ot— show on home turf will be this evening at the— show on home turf will be this evening at the glastonbury tostiwoh— evening at the glastonbury festival. the— evening at the glastonbury festival. the event's co—organiser kaiser has teased totoiis— co—organiser kaiser has teased totoiis ot— co—organiser kaiser has teased details of his— co—organiser kaiser has teased details of his pyramid stage show,— details of his pyramid stage show, sowing— details of his pyramid stage show, saying he's been carving out o— show, saying he's been carving out o sot— show, saying he's been carving out a set that's— show, saying he's been carving out a set that's going to be conhtotoiw— out a set that's going to be completely unique to the tostiwoi. — completely unique to the festival. all— completely unique to the festival. all you can get more on oit— festival. all you can get more on or ot— festival. all you can get more on all of those— festival. all you can get more on all of those stories by visiting— on all of those stories by visiting our— on all of those stories by visiting our website gb news

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in to me and said that he thinks it was because there was a chance of survival when it came to those who were on the trip in the submersible down to the titanic we were all titanic. so we were all following it. but course, following it. but of course, they sadly perished anyway. please getting in touch please do keep getting in touch with your views. moving on to something very different. the labour party would order councils green belt councils to offer green belt land for development as part of a the housing a plan to solve the housing crisis within ten years. if they are to win power. the shadow shadow levelling up secretary lisa nandy has laid blame on the lack of homes on the tories. political cowardice claims the crisis is symbolic broken crisis is symbolic of a broken system . let's see what my panel system. let's see what my panel make of this. so it's quite interesting, ben, isn't it? because because the conservative government dropped housing targets and now it seems like labour are moving into that void as the party of home ownership , as the party of home ownership, or at least they're trying to present themselves in that way. yeah, i mean labor party, labour gowornnont— yeah, i mean labor party, labour gowornnont oro— yeah, i mean labor party, labour government are squarely responsible— government are squarely responsible for tightening up

pionning— responsible for tightening up planning regulations. tony blair in his— planning regulations. tony blair in his timo— planning regulations. tony blair in his tino in— planning regulations. tony blair in his time in office and then cotton— in his time in office and then gordon brown— in his time in office and then gordon brown after him progressively- gordon brown after him progressively made it much, much more difficult— progressively made it much, much more difficult to— progressively made it much, much more difficult to get planning oornission— more difficult to get planning permission to— more difficult to get planning permission to develop not just housing— permission to develop not just housing anything and one of, housing but anything and one of, you housing but anything and one of, wou know— housing but anything and one of, wou know it— housing but anything and one of, wou know, it wou— housing but anything and one of, you know, if you want to increase the _ you know, if you want to increase the supply of any product,— increase the supply of any product wou— increase the supply of any product, you have to make it to— product, you have to make it easier to create— product, you have to make it easier to create that product. so easier to create that product. so whot— easier to create that product. so whot thow— easier to create that product. so what they need to do is toroguioto— so what they need to do is deregulate the _ so what they need to do is deregulate the planning system. ihot-s— deregulate the planning system. ihot-s tho— deregulate the planning system. that's the first— deregulate the planning system. that's the first thing they need to to. — that's the first thing they need to to. it— that's the first thing they need to to. it is— that's the first thing they need to do. it is increase audibly iozw— to do. it is increase audibly iozw to— to do. it is increase audibly lazy to hoot— to do. it is increase audibly lazy to head towards the green hott— lazy to head towards the green hoit to — lazy to head towards the green belt to build— lazy to head towards the green belt to build houses as we shouit— belt to build houses as we shouit ho— belt to build houses as we should be protecting our green hott— should be protecting our green belt, because— should be protecting our green belt, because once it's gone, it oint— belt, because once it's gone, it am coming— belt, because once it's gone, it ain't coming back— belt, because once it's gone, it ain't coming back and build. thoro— ain't coming back and build. ihoro is— ain't coming back and build. ihoro is so— ain't coming back and build. there is so many— ain't coming back and build. there is so many brownfield sitos— there is so many brownfield sitos ont— there is so many brownfield sites and we're— there is so many brownfield sites and we're all aware of thon — sites and we're all aware of thon in— sites and we're all aware of them in london— sites and we're all aware of them in london you go any any pari— them in london you go any any port ot— them in london you go any any port or ionton— them in london you go any any part of london, even the snortost— part of london, even the smartest parts- part of london, even the smartest parts of london have hugo— smartest parts of london have hugo ooos— smartest parts of london have hugo ot— smartest parts of london have huge areas of disused brownfield sitos.— huge areas of disused brownfield sitos. hut— huge areas of disused brownfield sitos. hut hut— huge areas of disused brownfield sites. but but but— huge areas of disused brownfield sites. but but but building huiitors— sites. but but but building builders don't— sites. but but but building builders don't like using them hocouso— builders don't like using them because they're— builders don't like using them because they're complex , because because they're complex, because it roguiros— because they're complex, because it roguiros o— because they're complex, because it requires a bit— because they're complex, because it requires a bit more thinking , whereas a greenfield, you just turn— , whereas a greenfield, you just turn up— , whereas a greenfield, you just turn up ont— , whereas a greenfield, you just turn up ono wou— , whereas a greenfield, you just turn up and you build your stontort— turn up and you build your standard meccano kind of housing at standard meccano kind of housing ot tho— standard meccano kind of housing ot tho iowost— standard meccano kind of housing at the lowest cost— standard meccano kind of housing at the lowest cost possible

cost.— at the lowest cost possible cost. ant— at the lowest cost possible cost. and there— at the lowest cost possible cost. and there has to be incentives— cost. and there has to be incentives made for developers to octuoiiw— incentives made for developers to actually redevelop brownfield sitos.— to actually redevelop brownfield sitos. ant— to actually redevelop brownfield sites. and then— to actually redevelop brownfield sites. and then the other thing thot— sites. and then the other thing thot noots— sites. and then the other thing that needs to— sites. and then the other thing that needs to be— sites. and then the other thing that needs to be done is to roorrnt— that needs to be done is to roorrnt tho— that needs to be done is to reform the tax— that needs to be done is to reform the tax system associated with— reform the tax system associated with roturh— reform the tax system associated with refurb payments, because at the with refurb payments, because at tho rnornont— with refurb payments, because at tho rnornont hw— with refurb payments, because at the moment, by the way, there are the moment, by the way, there tots— the moment, by the way, there tots ot— the moment, by the way, there are lots of empty— the moment, by the way, there are lots of empty houses . are lots of empty houses. ihow-ro— are lots of empty houses. ihow-ro rust— are lots of empty houses. they're just not in the places thot— they're just not in the places thot wo— they're just not in the places thot wo wont— they're just not in the places that we want them. and refurb norchonts— that we want them. and refurb merchants are— that we want them. and refurb merchants are charged 20% vat for merchants are charged 20% vat tor tho— merchants are charged 20% vat tor tho cost— merchants are charged 20% vat for the cost of— merchants are charged 20% vat for the cost of refurbishments, whoroos— for the cost of refurbishments, whoroos tho— for the cost of refurbishments, whereas the development of new tuit— whereas the development of new huiit is— whereas the development of new build is what's— whereas the development of new build is what's called zero rate toroi— build is what's called zero rate torot. so— build is what's called zero rate torot. so wou— build is what's called zero rate taxed. so you don't pay any vat, anv— taxed. so you don't pay any vat, onw vai— taxed. so you don't pay any vat, onw or on— taxed. so you don't pay any vat, any vat on building a new home. ant— any vat on building a new home. ant ogoin— any vat on building a new home. ant ogoin its— any vat on building a new home. and again, it's lazy— any vat on building a new home. and again, it's lazy governance. it's and again, it's lazy governance. us how— and again, it's lazy governance. it's lazy building— and again, it's lazy governance. it's lazy building .— and again, it's lazy governance. it's lazy building . what you've it's lazy building. what you've got to— it's lazy building. what you've got to to— it's lazy building. what you've got to to is— it's lazy building. what you've got to do is bring— it's lazy building. what you've got to do is bring existing stoch— got to do is bring existing stock back— got to do is bring existing stock back into use , cut that stock back into use, cut that vai— stock back into use, cut that or outw— stock back into use, cut that or tutw ont— stock back into use, cut that vat duty and all— stock back into use, cut that vat duty and all of these transactional— vat duty and all of these transactional taxes . grzr transactional taxes. just go, mott— transactional taxes. just go, nag.— transactional taxes. just go, mott . this— transactional taxes. just go, matt , this is this is a very matt, this is this is a very emotive kyiv this is a very emotive kyiv this is a very emotive sevilla i think they stop economic activity. so absolutely right. so- . so absolutely right. so many . er so absolutely right. so many people oot— absolutely right. so many people aren't downsizing— absolutely right. so many people aren't downsizing because it ooos— aren't downsizing because it ooos not— aren't downsizing because it does not make— aren't downsizing because it does not make financial . e does not make financial. it's a tax does not make financial. it's a too on— does not make financial. it's a tax on activity. _ does not make financial. it's a tax on activity. it's— does not make financial. it's a tax on activity. it's a- does not make financial. it's a tax on activity. it's a tax on activity. rather like liz truss ont— activity. rather like liz truss ont wou— activity. rather like liz truss ono wou wort— activity. rather like liz truss and you work for— exert . ear rather like liz truss and you work for the iea,

chi . can rather like liz truss and you work for the iea, which o think— and you work for the iea, which was a think tank— and you work for the iea, which was a think tank that she was guito— was a think tank that she was guito iito— was a think tank that she was guito iito iis— was a think tank that she was quite like liz truss. you're son— quite like liz truss. you're sort ot— quite like liz truss. you're sort or wouro— quite like liz truss. you're sort of you're going too far, too— sort of you're going too far, too guictiw— sort of you're going too far, too quickly. you— sort of you're going too far, too quickly. you can't just get you— too quickly. you can't just get wou con— too quickly. you can't just get wou sow— too quickly. you can't just get you can say what— too quickly. you can't just get you can say what you want, of hut— you can say what you want, of course, but just— you can say what you want, of course, but just get rid of i think— course, but just get rid of i think stomp— course, but just get rid of i think stamp duty is you might wont— think stamp duty is you might wont to— think stamp duty is you might wont to wou— think stamp duty is you might want to you might want to reduce it, want to you might want to reduce n, hut— want to you might want to reduce n, hut to— want to you might want to reduce n, hut to got— want to you might want to reduce it, but to get rid— want to you might want to reduce it, but to get rid of— want to you might want to reduce it, but to get rid of it ontiroiw— it, but to get rid of it entirely, then you've to entirely, then you've got to tint — entirely, then you've got to tint—to- entirely, then you've got to find _to find- entirely, then you've got toi find _to find that find other ways to find that nonow — find other ways to find that nonow ime— find other ways to find that money. me answer the money. let me answer the guostion— money. let me answer the question-green- money. let me answer the question-green i question about green belt. i oon-t— question about green belt. i oon-t thirt— question about green belt. i don't think if— question about green belt. i don't think if i— question about green belt. i don't think if i was- question about green belt. i don't think if i was in- question about green belt. i don't think if i was in that much money, if i have understood, if i've understood what lisa nandy said this what lisa nandy has said on this correctly, what she correctly, part of what she wants is precisely to get wants to do is precisely to get those sites that are those brownfield sites that are not at the moment not being utilised at the moment because they're complex, because you to detoxify them, you might need to detoxify them, make whatever, and make them safe or whatever, and make them safe or whatever, and make do encourage make sure that we do encourage people to build on them. what labouri people to build on them. what labour i think, has— people to build on them. what labour i think, has been- r: rzr“ what labour i think, has been clear thot—is- labour i think, has been clear that—is destroyi that they won't do is destroy tho—mowi the british countryside. now thot— the british countryside. now thot now— the british countryside. now thot now rust— the british countryside. now that may just be words when they get that may just be words when they got-gowornnont,— that may just be words when they get-government, as- that may just be words when they get government, as i think get into government, as i think how— get into government, as i think thow-thow— get into government, as i think thow-thow-thow- get into government, as i think they they they may they will, they may, they may hotrow—hut- they will, they may, they may. betray_ but starmer betray that pledge. but starmer has betray that pledge. but starmer hos—cioor— betray that pledge. but starmer hos—cioor ho- betray that pledge. but starmer has clear he doesn't has been quite clear he doesn't wont— has been quite clear he doesn't wont to— has been quite clear he doesn't want to build— has been quite clear he doesn't want to build on— has been quite clear he doesn't want to build on the green belt in tho— want to build on the green belt in tho-thot— want to build on the green belt in the _that it— want to build on the green belt in the that it would take in the sense that it would take owow— in the sense that it would take owow-tho— in the sense that it would take away-the british - away from the british countryside. away from the british - countryside. .that sense, away from the british _ countryside. .that sense, what countryside. in that sense, what green belt is lisa nandy referring in that sense, i am

referring to in that sense, i am partly a conservative with a small c because i like you, treasure the british countryside. ithink treasure the british countryside. i think it is incrotihiw— countryside. i think it is incredibly special.- ti.tzt. t:tz ithink it is incredibly special. fact, incredibly special. in fact, i wouit— incredibly special. in fact, i would-further- incredibly special. in fact, i would further for my incredibly special. in fact, i- would _further for my 20 would go a bit further for my 20 guostions—i- would go a bit further for my 20 questions—i just. questions with podcast. i just intowiowot— questions with podcast. i just interviewed-tree,- questions with podcast. i just interviewed tree, who interviewed isabella tree, who thorn— interviewed isabella tree, who knepp in— interviewed isabella tree, who runs knepp in sussex. they have itowiitot— runs knepp in sussex. they have itowiitot o— runs knepp in sussex. they have rewilded a huge— runs knepp in sussex. they have rewilded a huge space there. nought— rewilded a huge space there. hrought noct— rewilded a huge space there. brought back nightingales, nought— brought back nightingales, brought back— brought back nightingales, brought back peregrine falcons, nought— brought back peregrine falcons, hrought noct— brought back peregrine falcons, brought back storks actually. i mean we have— brought back storks actually. i mean we have peregrines oisowhoro— mean we have peregrines elsewhere reintroduced storks. nor— elsewhere reintroduced storks. nor houso— elsewhere reintroduced storks. nor houso is— elsewhere reintroduced storks. her house is the— elsewhere reintroduced storks. her house is the first chimney sico— her house is the first chimney mio— her house is the first chimney who in— her house is the first chimney since 1416 in this— her house is the first chimney since 1416 in this country to howo— since 1416 in this country to howo o— since 1416 in this country to have a nesting— since 1416 in this country to have a nesting story. this is tontostic— have a nesting story. this is fantastic. let's— have a nesting story. this is fantastic. let's celebrate and nrotoct— fantastic. let's celebrate and protoct our— fantastic. let's celebrate and protect our beauty. but we do noot — protect our beauty. but we do noot to — protect our beauty. but we do need to change— protect our beauty. but we do need to change the way that we are need to change the way that we oooooching— need to change the way that we are approaching housebuilding hocouso— are approaching housebuilding because conservatives have because the conservatives have ohsoiuto— because the conservatives have absolute _beautiful- absolute failed. beautiful speech matthew . beautiful speech there, matthew. beautiful speech. is a very emotive speech. this is a very emotive topic. think people up topic. do you think people up and down the country want the government to dictate to local councils where they build ? i councils where they build? i mean, governments have always tictotot— mean, governments have always tictotot to— mean, governments have always dictated to local— mean, governments have always dictated to local councils where thow— dictated to local councils where thow huiit. — dictated to local councils where thow huiit. ihow— dictated to local councils where they build. they have development plans scrapped. wen,— development plans scrapped. war, thow— development plans scrapped. well, they scrapped the targets, but well, they scrapped the targets, hut thoro — well, they scrapped the targets, hut thoro oro— well, they scrapped the targets, but there are always, know, but there are always, you know, top but there are always, you know, too town— but there are always, you know, top down guidances on how more

otonning— top down guidances on how more hionning shouti— top down guidances on how more planning should take place as i soici— planning should take place as i an, ionw— planning should take place as i said, tony blair— planning should take place as i said, tony blair tightened up the said, tony blair tightened up tho swston— said, tony blair tightened up the system dramatically. and to be the system dramatically. and to ho toii— the system dramatically. and to ho toir to— the system dramatically. and to ho toir to tho— the system dramatically. and to be fair to the conservatives , be fair to the conservatives, octuoiiw— be fair to the conservatives, octuoiiw, thow— be fair to the conservatives, actually, they brought in sonothing— actually, they brought in something permitted something called permitted development— development rights, which did oiiow— development rights, which didi allow—offices allow the conversion of offices to residential— allow the conversion of offices to residential much easily to residential much more easily . ant— to residential much more easily . ant o— to residential much more easily . ant o iot— to residential much more easily . ant o tot ot— to residential much more easily . and a lot of the— to residential much more easily . and a lot of the left were up in arms about— . and a lot of the left were up in arms about that because they soit— in arms about that because they soit tho— in arms about that because they said the quality— in arms about that because they said the quality of— in arms about that because they said the quality of residential thon—wosn-tl said the quality of residential. then—wasn't high then being produced wasn't high onough— then being produced wasn't high onough. hut— then being produced wasn't high enough. but what— then being produced wasn't high enough. but what we've got to do is rotuco— enough. but what we've got to do is rotuco tho— enough. but what we've got to do is reduce the friction on octiwitw— is reduce the friction on activity, which - is reduce the friction on activity, which includes, as you rightw— activity, which includes, as you righttw sayi— activity, which includes, as you rightly say, emilvr_ activity, which includes, as you rightly say, emily, the taxes on transactions,— rightly say, emily, the taxes on transactions, on _ rightly say, emily, the taxes on transactions, on housing and the rost— transactions, on housing and the rost ot— transactions, on housing and the rost ot it.— transactions, on housing and the rost ot it. ant— transactions, on housing and the rest of it. and the— transactions, on housing and the rest of it. and the other the othor— rest of it. and the other the other elephant— rest of it. and the other the other elephant in the room, i've got to— other elephant in the room, i've got to nontion— other elephant in the room, i've got to mention it,— other elephant in the room, i've got to mention it, is the rising hoouiotion— got to mention it, is the rising hoouiotion ot— got to mention it, is the rising population of the— got to mention it, is the rising population of the united tington— population of the united kingdom, largely as a result of innigrotion— kingdom, largely as a result of immigration, both legal, largely iogoi— immigration, both legal, largely togoi, hut— immigration, both legal, largely togoi, tut oiso— immigration, both legal, largely legal, but also illegal. now, you— legal, but also illegal. now, wou know,— legal, but also illegal. now, wou tnow tho— legal, but also illegal. now, you know, the population of the unitot— you know, the population of the united kingdom,— you know, the population of the united kingdom, 13 years ago was 62 united kingdom, 13 years ago was oz nitiion— united kingdom, 13 years ago was 62 million. rus— united kingdom, 13 years ago was 62 million. it's now— united kingdom, 13 years ago was 62 million. it's now over 68 niiiion. — 62 million. it's now over 68 million. that's— 62 million. it's now over 68 million. that's a— 62 million. it's now over 68 million. that's a lot of extra ooonio— million. that's a lot of extra hoooto who— million. that's a lot of extra people who need— million. that's a lot of extra people who need housing. that's onothor— people who need housing. that's onothor i2— people who need housing. that's another 1.2 million— people who need housing. that's another 1.2 million homes. but in nae,— another 1.2 million homes. but in there, matthew, before i come to hotoro— in there, matthew, before i come to hotoro i— in there, matthew, before i come to before i come— in there, matthew, before i come to before i come to— in there, matthew, before i come to before i come to you , rob has to before i come to you, rob has writton— to before i come to you, rob has writton in.— to before i come to you, rob has writton in. — to before i come to you, rob has writton in. no— to before i come to you, rob has written in. he says— to before i come to you, rob has written in. tz; tzthz; to before i come to you, rob has written in. he says more houses requires reservoirs. we haven't built any for decades. schools

we're struggling that. we're struggling on that. hospitals is absolutely right. you know, is this to house the 1.2 million migrants who came legally last year? i think there is difficulty in persuading is a difficulty in persuading homes owners that what they need is more housing on their doorstep when potentially they don't actually support this level of immigration. so if you look at your own political i don't know whether it's your political editor or political reporter, tom harwood . yes, he's reporter, tom harwood. yes, he's very and reporter, tom harwood. yes, he's worw ont rightw— reporter, tom harwood. yes, he's worw ont righttw so— reporter, tom harwood. yes, he's very and rightly so .— reporter, tom harwood. yes, he's very and rightly so . and- : yes, he's very and rightly so . and lbc's very and rightly so. and lbc's hon— very and rightly so. and lbc's hon tontish— very and rightly so. and lbc's ben kentish talks well about this— ben kentish talks well about this os— ben kentish talks well about this as well. _ ben kentish talks well about this as well. i— ben kentish talks well about this as well. i think he's very, wow— this as well. i think he's very, very concerned— this as well. i think he's very, very concerned about the struggios— very concerned about the struggles facing 20 year olds, 30 struggles facing 20 year olds, oo wooi— struggles facing 20 year olds, so woor oits— struggles facing 20 year olds, 30 year olds, people in their zes— 30 year olds, people in their 20s ont— 30 year olds, people in their 20s ont ses— 30 year olds, people in their 20s and 30s that— 30 year olds, people in their 20s and 30s that people are howing— 20s and 30s that people are howing to— 20s and 30s that people are howing to go— 20s and 30s that people are having to go further and further out a— having to go further and further out , or— having to go further and further out , or in— having to go further and further out , or in his— having to go further and further out, or in his words, in tom's worts— out, or in his words, in tom's worts two— out, or in his words, in tom's worts to in— out, or in his words, in tom's words, live in poker and poker hoo— words, live in poker and poker hoo ant— words, live in poker and poker hoo ant i— words, live in poker and poker homes. and i think his and he can correct me— homes. and i think his and he can correct me if— homes. and i think his and he can correct me if he's wrong, hut— can correct me if he's wrong, tut on— can correct me if he's wrong, but on twitter,— can correct me if he's wrong, but on twitter, i— can correct me if he's wrong, but on twitter, i think his point— but on twitter, i think his point is— but on twitter, i think his point is that— but on twitter, i think his point is that if- but on twitter, i think his point is that if you sort of soot— point is that if you sort of stoot in— point is that if you sort of stood in the— point is that if you sort of stood in the way of growth, i think— stood in the way of growth, i think os— stood in the way of growth, i think was his— stood in the way of growth, i think was his point. when you're partly— think was his point. when you're ooniw to— think was his point. when you're ooniw to hiono— think was his point. when you're partly to blame, i— think was his point. when you're partly to blame, i this is this is o— partly to blame, i this is this is a vacuum. the— partly to blame, i this is this is a vacuum. the pain of this,

hocouso— is a vacuum. the pain of this, hocouso it— is a vacuum. the pain of this, because it is— is a vacuum. the pain of this, because it is painful for people not—ottort- because it is painful for people not—ottort o- because it is painful for peoplei not—afford a home not being able to afford a home nae,— not being able to afford a home thoro-hong— not being able to afford a home there, being enough houses there, not being enough houses into— there, not being enough houses into this— there, not being enough houses into this vacuum,— there, not being enough houses into this vacuum, into this frustration— into this vacuum, into this frustration can— into this vacuum, into this frustration can come. the idea thot— frustration can come. the idea war—agn- frustration can come. the idea thot—rightlconi that liz truss was right, it can coho-thoro— that liz truss was right, it can come .there are - that liz truss was right, it can come there are too many come that there are too many innigronts— come that there are too many immigrants-we- come that there are too many immigrants. we need to do, immigrants. what we need to do, and immigrants. what we need to do, ont-hon— immigrants. what we need to do, ont-hon ot— immigrants. what we need to do, and-ben at least- immigrants. what we need to do, and ben at least agrees and i think ben at least agrees with— and i think ben at least agrees with-non— and i think ben at least agrees with-port on— and i think ben at least agrees with-part on this,- and i think ben at least agrees with part on this, is have with me on part on this, is have a with me on part on this, is have o sonsihio— with me on part on this, is have a sensible, realistic, workable strotogw—noroi a sensible, realistic, workable. strategy—more homes strategy for building more homes in-countrw. — strategy for building more homes in-countrw. tho— in this country. the conservatives in this country. the- conservatives-been in this country. the conservatives - been power conservatives have been in power now-woons. — conservatives have been in power now-woons. wo— conservatives have been in power now-woons. wo oro- conservatives have been in power now years. we are not now for 13 years. we are not huiiting— now for 13 years. we are not building anything enough building anything like enough homos— building anything like enough honos-noot- building anything like enough homes-need to- building anything like enough homes need to do that. homes and we need to do that. ant— homes and we need to do that. ant i— homes and we need to do that. ant i think— homes and we need to do that. and i think lisa— homes and we need to do that. and i think lisa nandy seems to howo— and i think lisa nandy seems to have something— and i think lisa nandy seems to have something sensible to say ohout— have something sensible to say ohout-oro— have something sensible to say about-are not.- have something sensible to say about-are not. it- have something sensible to sayi about-are not. it does about this. we are not. it does always me the always strike me that the government seems be surprised government seems to be surprised by of demand for by the amount of demand for housing, and it does also annoy me people behave like like me when people behave like like nimbys and prevent things from being built. not just housing, but being built. not just housing, tut othor— being built. not just housing, but other things,— but other things, energy protuction— but other things, energy production ,_ but other things, energy production , for example. anyway, production, for example. anyway, noting— production, for example. anyway, moving to— production, for example. anyway, moving to on— production, for example. anyway, moving to on our— production, for example. anyway, moving to on our what i think is our moving to on our what i think is tinoi— moving to on our what i think is tinoi stow— moving to on our what i think is our final story of— moving to on our what i think is our final story of the day, a iittio— our final story of the day, a iittio hit— our final story of the day, a little bit of— our final story of the day, a little bit of a— our final story of the day, a little bit of a controversial to— little bit of a controversial to ont— little bit of a controversial one to end the— little bit of a controversial one to end the show today. the togontorw— one to end the show today. the legendary leader,— one to end the show today. the legendary leader, sir winston churchm— legendary leader, sir winston churchill, is— legendary leader, sir winston churchill, is under attack ogoin. — churchill, is under attack ogoin. its— churchill, is under attack again. it's happened quite a few tinos— again. it's happened quite a few tinos .— again. it's happened quite a few tinos , this— again. it's happened quite a few times , this time— again. it's happened quite a few times , this time from saint times, this time from saint rout-s— times, this time from saint paul's cathedral. after a

oossogo— paul's cathedral. after a hossogo ot— paul's cathedral. after a passage of text its website passage of text on its website toscrihot — passage of text on its website described-as— passage of text on its website described - as a - passage of text on its website described as a white described him as a white supremacist.— described him as a white supremacist. it also went to on toscriho— supremacist. it also went to on toscriho tho— supremacist. it also went to on describe the wartime prime ministor— describe the wartime prime ministor os— describe the wartime prime minister as an— describe the wartime prime minister as an unashamed inporioiist— minister as an unashamed inhorioiist .— minister as an unashamed imperialist, which minister as an unashamed imperialist , which stayed minister as an unashamed imperialist, which stayed on minister as an unashamed imperialist , which stayed on the imperialist, which stayed on the cothotroi— imperialist, which stayed on the cathedral site— imperialist, which stayed on the cathedral site for— imperialist, which stayed on the cathedral site for more than a woor.— cathedral site for more than a woor. his— cathedral site for more than a year. his family— cathedral site for more than a year. his family have strongly hit hock— year. his family have strongly hit toct ot— year. his family have strongly hit back at these— year. his family have strongly hit back at these claims, saying thot— hit back at these claims, saying thot tho— hit back at these claims, saying that the description was deeply ottonsiwo— that the description was deeply offensive, _ stupid i offensive, thoughtless, stupid ont— offensive, thoughtless, stupid ont ignoront— offensive, thoughtless, stupid and ignorant, strong stuff from the and ignorant, strong stuff from tho toniiw— and ignorant, strong stuff from the family. saint— and ignorant, strong stuff from the family. saint paul's have soit— the family. saint paul's have now said that— the family. saint paul's have now said that we— the family. saint paul's have now said that we have reworded the now said that we have reworded tho horogroph— now said that we have reworded the paragraph with the aim of noting— the paragraph with the aim of noting tho— the paragraph with the aim of making the description more hoioncot—ini making the description more. balanced—in its balanced and appropriate in its contort— balanced and appropriate in its contort .— balanced and appropriate in its context . matthew, you don't context. matthew, you don't think— context. matthew, you don't think thot— context. matthew, you don't think that they— context. matthew, you don't think that they need to change the think that they need to change tho worting— think that they need to change the wording to— think that they need to change the wording to make it more oppoprioto— the wording to make it more ohhrooriotoo — the wording to make it more appropriate ? appropriate? so i think unfortunately you guys gb news you believe in straight speaking , right? i do. so you believe in saying what you think, right? yes. well, so 1937. it's why i toioroto— yes. well, so 1937. it's why i toioroto wou — yes. well, so 1937. it's why i tolerate you, matthew- t/tz;~;fr yahtzee ”93" it's why i tolerate you, matthew . t/tz;~;fr yahtzee 93" it's why i tolerate you, matthew . ' “t: “ tolerate you, matthew. and in it. hot— tolerate you, matthew. and in it. ihot os— tolerate you, matthew. and in 19. that was a— tolerate you, matthew. and in 19. that was a joke.- tolerate you, matthew. ' “t: “ 9 that was a joke. yes i'm 19. that was a joke. yes i'm ioughing. — 19. that was a joke. yes i'm laughing. emily.- 19. that was a joke. yes i'm laughing. emily. in- 9 that was a joke. yes i'm laughing. can “ 93t�* 9 that was a joke. yes i'm laughing. can “ i3 i“"ri.“ laughing. emily. in 1937, church , churchill said, let's use his own words . he was talking about

own words. he was talking about nafive own words. he was talking about native americans and aborigines in australia and their suppression by effectively by white people. and he said he described these people who took over america and took over australia as his words , as australia as his words, as a people can look it up a higher grade, stronger for race. now if that's not white supremacy, i don't know what it is. unfortunately, at life , the unfortunately, at life, the world is complicated. human beings are complicated. when churchill was prime minister, before the war, during the war, the empire was in full swing. there's no doubt that this man was an imperialist. not many people today believe that the british empire was a good thing. they might argue that it had some good corollaries, but they wouldn't say that it was justified. they wouldn't say we should. now go and strike out for another empire. now now this is comes is where the complexity comes in. do i think that winston churchill helped save this country on his country and helped not on his own, because the own, of course, because the russian and the russian intervention and the american was american intervention was absolutely our absolutely crucial to our success war. do think success in the war. do i think he helped stave off? do i think

he helped stave off? do i think he helped stave off? do i think he helped defeat hitler? do i think he was the greatest wartime leader this country has ever ? course i do. on one ever had? of course i do. on one side of my family and my grandfather pictured with grandfather is pictured with field , field marshal montgomery, liberating in his car on liberating paris in his car on the side of my family, my the other side of my family, my grandparents were jewish refugees, so we partly have churchill's britain to thank. well, i was going to say to thank for the fact that i'm here not many gb views agree with me, but you get my point right? you're here. you get my point. life is complicated and difficult. churchill was both you. he was a white supremacist. aiohout— you. he was a white supremacist. aiohout-no— you. he was a white supremacist. aiohout-no-o- you. he was a white supremacist. a. about- he - a white i a lot about you. he was a white surronocist— a lot about you. he was a white supremacist, but— a lot about you. he was a white supremacist, but he was a hriiiiont— supremacist, but he was a brilliant wartime leader. tight. — brilliant wartime leader. tight. otow. - brilliant wartime leader. right. okay. so- brilliant wartime leader. ? g okay. brilliant wartime leader. 3g“ okay. right. okay. so i am not prepared to look and judge churchill through of churchill through the prism of wokery his own words, wokery in 2023. his own words, churchill, his own words. churchill, his own words. churchill was undoubtedly one of the greatest leaders of the planet has ever seen. undoubtedly we are free in the west because of the efforts of churchill . we stood alone churchill. we stood alone against germany before america joined our empire. ben

against germany before america joined our empire . ben with our joined our empire. ben with our onnto— joined our empire. ben with our onniro ont— joined our empire. ben with our empire and with— joined our empire. ben with our empire and with our— “tzt: . tz;z“:t ”tz; ben with our empire and with our empire. '“t: empire and with our empire. and i empire and with our empire. and i on— empire and with our empire. and i on ont— empire and with our empire. and i on out i— empire and with our empire. and i on out i witt— empire and with our empire. and i am and i will not— empire and with our empire. and i am and i will not apologise for the i'm very proud of the british empire, as we should be through the british empire . we through the british empire. we abolished slavery. we g e we abolished slavery. we instilled humon— abolished slavery. we instilled hunon rights.— abolished slavery. we instilled human rights. we established all of human rights. we established all ot this.— human rights. we established all ot this. wo— human rights. we established all of this. we were— human rights. we established all of this. we were a— human rights. we established all of this. we were a force in your honts. — of this. we were a force in your honts. wo— of this. we were a force in your hands. we were— of this. we were a force in your hands. we were a— of this. we were a force in your hands. ash; whzhz; ”ttztitz; of this. we were a force in your hands. ash; whz;hz; ”ttztitz; of this. we were a force in your hands. i ti

and to call winston churchill a who— and to call winston churchill a white supremacist, nothing more . iho— white supremacist, nothing more . iho oin— white supremacist, nothing more . iho oin ot— white supremacist, nothing more . the aim of that— white supremacist, nothing more . the aim of that is— white supremacist, nothing more . the aim of that is to undermine— . the aim of that is to undermine an british belief in his on— undermine an british belief in his own words— undermine an british belief in his own words . _ undermine an british belief in his own words . 2: his own words. i've just quoted his own words. i've just quoted his own words. so you can tell me i'm lying. but i said to you that i said to you have to deal with the argument and the argument. it has to be based surely on what churchill himself said. and what he said was in relation to a native americans being subjected to the yoke of western imperialism, same with the aborigines in australia or nato australia. did he say? nato australia. what did he say? he that were a higher he said that we were a higher grade , stronger race to call . grade, stronger race to call. what is that? if that's not who— what is that? if that's not white supremacy, to call churchiii— white supremacy, to call churchill a— white supremacy, to call churchill a white supremacist is to tonigroto— churchill a white supremacist is to denigrate churchill. that's the tow— to denigrate churchill. that's the oniw wow— to denigrate churchill. that's the oniw wow wou— to denigrate churchill. that's the only way you can say sorry, but complicated . no, but life is complicated. no, it's not. i'm interested- e no, it's not. i'm interested in. its— it's not. i'm interested in. to wow— it's not. i'm interested in. its wow-aro- it's not. i'm interested in. it's very are you it's very simple. are you interested— it's very simple. are you interested in— it's very simple. are you interested in history? the thing is—tho— interested in history? the thing is_the website. interested in history? the thing is_the website .l interested in history? the thingj is_the website . it is history. i'm the website. it just terms. i don't just used those terms. i don't believe it went some believe it went into some glorious essay about of nuanced description of it. discourse. i do worry that we do look at history through a modern lens of the contemporary. well, one

thing, one thing you could say and we judge and we slate our leaders. this is something that comes up time and time. be really sorry. we should have had on this— really sorry. we should have had more on this topic.— really sorry. we should have had more on this topic. we- ”tzcteeyt we should have had more on this topic. we should howo— more on this topic. we should hoo-horo— more on this topic. we should have-more. well,- more on this topic. we should have more. well, we had have had more. well, we had hiontw— have had more. well, we had otontwltino. — have had more. well, we had plenty time. have had more. well, we had- plentyltime. people have been plenty of time. people have been getting can't go to getting in touch. i can't go to your views, but i can go to your views the wagner rebellion. views on the wagner rebellion. when part of a big when says this is part of a big plan to have the wagner army in belarus. so when ukraine start the big kyiv will be in the big push kyiv will be in easy lisa says it's easy reach. lisa says it's another joke straight out another sick joke straight out of playbook. she gives another sick joke straight out of explanation, ook. she gives another sick joke straight out of explanation, just she gives another sick joke straight out of explanation, just that gives no explanation, just that caroline says putin is an egotistical maniac. and so i predict he will push harder in ukraine because he will want to show the russians that he can win the war. analyst says. my view is that there is no way the wagner group could have taken moscow . putin is now plotting to moscow. putin is now plotting to make look better. well make himself look better. well there go. please do keep there you go. please do keep your in. subscribe your views coming in. subscribe to channel. we have to our youtube channel. we have got in the studio . thank got a nana in the studio. thank you much indeed. what have you very much indeed. what have you very much indeed. what have you up? well, i mean, you got coming up? well, i mean, we've you got coming up? well, i mean, got— you got coming up? well, i mean, got woo— you got coming up? well, i mean, we've got we're doing— gtzt ti.tzti“ “g e. it7 well, i mean, we've got we're doing some some of we've got we're doing some some ot tho—

we've got we're doing some some of the obviously,— we've got we're doing some some of the obviously, topics of the obviously, the topics thot— of the obviously, the topics that m that you're covering. but we do howo— that you're covering. but we do howo o— that you're covering. but we do howo o snocioi— that you're covering. but we do have a special mystery guest who-s— have a special mystery guest who-s-in— have a special mystery guest who-s-in ot- have a special mystery guest who's-in at 5:00.- have a special mystery guest who's in at 5:00. she had who's coming in at 5:00. she had this— who's coming in at 5:00. she had this nossiwo— who's coming in at 5:00. she had this nossiwo-i— who's coming in at 5:00. she had this massive-i can't- who's coming in at 5:00. she had this massive i can't give this massive single i can't give you— this massive single i can't give wou-much— this massive single i can't give wou-much owow— this massive single i can't give you much away. was you too much away. there was i'll you too much away. there was it giwo— you too much away. there was hit giwolowow— you too much away. there was i'll givelaway. but- you too much away. there was i'll give away. but we've got i'll give it away. but we've got ciuos—tho— i'll give it away. but we've got clues—the show.- i'll give it away. but we've goti clues—the show. but clues throughout the show. but we clues throughout the show. but wo—toiting- clues throughout the show. but we_talking about. we will also be talking about the anniversary— we will also be talking about the anniversary of brexit, because, you _ the anniversary of brexit, because, you know, that passed the anniversary of brexit, becease, you know, that passed the anniversary of brexit, becease, yotpeople that passed the anniversary of brexit, becea se, yotpeople keepziassed the anniversary of brexit, becease, yotpeople keep saying and a lot of people keep saying to-woii,— and a lot of people keep saying to-woii,-ot- and a lot of people keep sayingi to-well,-of people to me, oh, well, loads of people howo— to me, oh, well, loads of people howo-thoir— to me, oh, well, loads of people have _their mind. - to me, oh, well, loads of people have their mind. people have changed their mind. people howo— have changed their mind. people howo wotot— have changed their mind. people howo wotot to — have changed their mind. people have voted to leave, there's so nonw. — have voted to leave, there's so nonwlthot-s— have voted to leave, there's so many. that's rubbish because many. but that's rubbish because most— many. but that's rubbish because host-who— many. but that's rubbish because host-who i— many. but that's rubbish because most-who i know- many. but that's rubbish because most who i know voted to most people who i know voted to ioowo—thoir- most people who i know voted to leave _their mind. leave didn't change their mind ont— leave didn't change their mind ont-chongot- leave didn't change their mind. and-changed-mind. and haven't changed their mind. so and haven't changed their mind. so-ioot— and haven't changed their mind. so-look-think- and haven't changed their mind. so-look-think benj so we'll look at don't think ben hos. — so we'll look at don't think ben hos. _howo- so we'll look at don't think ben has._have mine.- has. i definitely have mine. i ton-t— has. i definitely have mine. i ton-t think— has. i definitely have mine. i don't think i've— has. i definitely have mine. i don't think i've changed my mind oithor.— don't think i've changed my mind oithor. so. — don't think i've changed my mind either. so. well,— don't think i've changed my mind either. so. well,-at- don't think i've changed my mind either. so. well, at what's either. so. well, look at what's tronshirot—oti transpired over the last sort of tow— transpired over the last sort of few-rug,— transpired over the last sort of tow-rust, wou- transpired over the last sort of few just, you know, few years and just, you know, gonoroiiw—tho- few years and just, you know,. generally—the things generally the kind of the things thot— generally the kind of the things thot oro— generally the kind of the things thot uh— generally the kind of the things thot up to— generally the kind of the things that are up to date. fantastic > hoot.— that are up to date. fantastic > noiac. tn— that are up to date. fantastic > holac. i'm looking- that are up to date. fantastic > holac. i'm looking forward to it. for that. it's it. stay tuned for that. it's all we've got time for from me today. thank you to habib. today. thank you to ben habib. thank matthew stadlen. thank you to matthew stadlen. stay for nana akua. hello stay tuned for nana akua. hello there. i'm jonathan t: he“? hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who of there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who ot-iotost— there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who ot-iotost ch— there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who of-latest gb news- there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who of latest gb news weather of your latest gb news weather torocost— forecast provided by the met orticoo— forecast provided by the met office? humidity office? heat and humidity really has office? heat and humidity really hos toon— office? heat and humidity really has been building— office? heat and humidity really has been building past has been building over the past few has been building over the past tow tows— has been building over the past tow tows hut— has been building over the past few days, but for— has been building over the past few days, but for the start of tho— few days, but for the start of tho now— few days, but for the start of the new working— few days, but for the start of the new working week there is a sight— the new working week there is a siight—tho— the new working week there is a siight—tho wow- the new working week there is a slight the way because slight change on the way because

hohint—wintsl behind this cold front our winds are behind this cold front our winds oro-to— behind this cold front our winds are-to more of- are shifting to more of a wostoriw— are shifting to more of a westerly direction, helping to toot— westerly direction, helping to feed _fresheri westerly direction, helping toi feed _fresher , feed in some slightly fresher, toss— feed in some slightly fresher, toss hunit— feed in some slightly fresher, less humid-but- feed in some slightly fresher, less humid but whilst the less humid air. but whilst the cott— less humid air. but whilst the cott-is— less humid air. but whilst the cott-is-us- less humid air. but whilst the cold - is - us, there i cold front is with us, there witt— cold front is with us, there will-bringing- cold front is with us, there will bringing some outbreaks will be bringing some outbreaks of will be bringing some outbreaks ot-roin— will be bringing some outbreaks ot-roin oo— of heavy rain, some thunderstorms possible for oostrn— eastern england, eastern scottont— eastern england, eastern - scotland—eastern scotland and parts of eastern morthorn— scotland and parts of eastern northern ireland— scotland and parts of eastern northern ireland throughout this owoning. — evening. we'll eventually clear its-toworts— evening. we'll eventually clear its-towards the— evening. we'll eventually clear its towards the north—east, its way towards the north—east, but its way towards the north—east, tut coutt— its way towards the north—east, tut coutt-o— its way towards the north—east, but could-a damp- its way towards the north—east, but could a damp night but could be quite a damp night for but could be quite a damp night tor shottont.— but could be quite a damp night for shetland. dry— but could be quite a damp night for shetland. dry elsewhere , a for shetland. dry elsewhere, a scottoring— for shetland. dry elsewhere, a scottoring ot— for shetland. dry elsewhere, a scattering of showers across the far scattering of showers across the tor—nost- scattering of showers across the tor—nostlusl far northwest. but most of us witt— far northwest. but most of us witt soo— far northwest. but most of us will see-clear- far northwest. but most of us will see clear skies. as will see some clear skies. as with— will see some clear skies. as with thoso— will see some clear skies. as with those fresher conditions in ntoco— with those fresher conditions in place, temperatures will place, though, temperatures will be place, though, temperatures will ho-towor— place, though, temperatures will be-lower than- place, though, temperatures will be-lower than last- be a notch lower than last night.— be a notch lower than last night. so— be a notch lower than last night. so-more- be a notch lower than last night. so more comfortable night. so a bit more comfortable for night. so a bit more comfortable tor stoohing— night. so a bit more comfortable for sleeping around 12 to 14 c as for sleeping around 12 to 14 c os montow— for sleeping around 12 to 14 c as monday starts— for sleeping around 12 to 14 c as monday starts on a relatively tino— as monday starts on a relatively tino noto— as monday starts on a relatively tino noto, a— as monday starts on a relatively fine note, a good— as monday starts on a relatively fine note, a good amount of sushino— fine note, a good amount of sunshine. first— fine note, a good amount of sunshine. first thing, the showers, though , will bubble up showers, though, will bubble up into tho— showers, though, will bubble up into the afternoon.— showers, though, will bubble up into the afternoon. some of thoso— into the afternoon. some of thoso-hooww- into the afternoon. some of those heavy across into the afternoon. some of- those - heavy across the those could be heavy across the nonhorn— those could be heavy across the nonhorn-ot— those could be heavy across the northern .of-uk.- those could be heavy across the northern of uk. still northern half of the uk. still tho— northern half of the uk. still tho choco— northern half of the uk. still the chance of— northern half of the uk. still the chance of few the chance of a few thunderstorms there the chance of a few- thunderstormslthere across thunderstorms in there across wotos— thunderstorms in there across wotos into— thunderstorms in there across wales into central southern areas—tending. wales into central southerni areas—tending to wales into central southern- areas_tending to stay areas of england tending to stay thon— areas of england tending to stay drier,-noticeably_ areas of england tending to stay drier, noticeably fresher drier, but noticeably fresher for drier, but noticeably fresher tor ott— drier, but noticeably fresher tor ottlus— drier, but noticeably fresher for all us compared to sunday for all of us compared to sunday highs— for all of us compared to sunday highs gonoroiiw— for all of us compared to sunday highs generally between 19 to 22 c.— highs generally between 19 to 22 c. stit— highs generally between 19 to 22 c. still, maybe the mid 20s tho— 22 c. still, maybe the mid 20s across the far— 22 c. still, maybe the mid 20s across the far southeast , some across the far southeast, some toto — across the far southeast, some toto owoning— across the far southeast, some late evening sunshine as the

showors— late evening sunshine as the showers generally fade their way off showers generally fade their way ott .— showers generally fade their way ott . iho— showers generally fade their way off . the sunshine— showers generally fade their way off . the sunshine though a bit off. the sunshine though a bit now— off. the sunshine though a bit how in— off. the sunshine though a bit hazy in otocos— off. the sunshine though a bit hazy in places increasingly as this— hazy in places increasingly as this ctout— hazy in places increasingly as this cloud builds— hazy in places increasingly as this cloud builds its way in iron— this cloud builds its way in iron tho— this cloud builds its way in from the west.— this cloud builds its way in from the west. quite a damp socont— from the west. quite a damp socont hott— from the west. quite a damp second half of— from the west. quite a damp second half of the night for morthorn— second half of the night for northern ireland with this rain noting—tho- northern ireland with this rain moving the humidity moving its way in, the humidity oiso— moving its way in, the humidity otso-toginning— moving its way in, the humidity also-beginning to- moving its way in, the humidity also beginning to build up also just beginning to build up also just beginning to build up oonco-— also just beginning to build up oonco- ogoin— also just beginning to build up a once again. that rain a touch once again. that rain thon— a touch once again. that rain thon-its— a touch once again. that rain thon-its wow- a touch once again. that rain then-its way into- then pushes its way into scottont,— then pushes its way into. scotland,-england then pushes its way into- scotland,-england and scotland, northern england and wotos— scotland, northern england and wotos-tho— scotland, northern england and wales-the start— scotland, northern england and wales-the start of- scotland, northern england and wales the start of tuesday . wales for the start of tuesday. hut— wales for the start of tuesday. hut tho — wales for the start of tuesday. hut tho tor— wales for the start of tuesday. but the far southeast and parts of but the far southeast and parts ot tho— but the far southeast and parts of the northern— but the far southeast and parts of the northern isles staying trior— of the northern isles stayingi drier—morning of the northern isles staying. drier—morning . drier throughout the morning. ihot—its— drier throughout the morning. ihot—itswow- drier throughout the morning. that its way through that rain clears its way through iotor— that rain clears its way through iotor-in— that rain clears its way through totorlin tho— that rain clears its way through later-in the day.— that rain clears its way through later in the day. but we've later on in the day. but we've got— later on in the day. but we've got turthor— later on in the day. but we've got further frontal systems and honts— got further frontal systems and honts-rootw— got further frontal systems and bands-readylpush. bands of rain ready to push thoir— bands of rain ready to push thoir-ot— bands of rain ready to push their-at points- bands of rain ready to push their at points over the their way in at points over the course of the— their way in at points over the course of the week. so it course of the next week. so it is tooting— course of the next week. so it is looking like _ course of the next week. so it is looking like a— course of the next week. so it is looking like a relatively unsotttot— is looking like a relatively unsettled one.— is looking like a relatively unsettled one. temperatures, though— unsettled one. temperatures, though,_around. unsettled one. temperatures,- though,_around where though, holding up around where thow— though, holding up around where thow-to— though, holding up around where thow-ho in— though, holding up around where thow-ho in tho— though, holding up around where they-be in the mid- though, holding up around where they be in the mid to low they should be in the mid to low zes— they should be in the mid to low 20s-hw— they should be in the mid to low 20s-hw- ni— they should be in the mid to low 20s-hw- hi im— they should be in the mid to low 20s-by. hi, i'm dan- they should be in the mid to low 20s by. hi, i'm dan wootton . 20s by by. hi, i'm dan wootton. vou— 20s by by. hi, i'm dan wootton. wou con— 20s by by. hi, i'm dan wootton. wou wotch— 20s by by. hi, i'm dan wootton. you can watch me— 20s by by. hi, i'm dan wootton. you can watch me live- 20s by by. hi, i'm dan wootton. you can watch me live on- 20s by by. hi, i'm dan wootton. you can watch me live on gb news monday to thursday from 9 pm. and did you know that you can also watch and listen live on our website gb news made.com. you'll always be up to date on the latest breaking news as well as enjoying the best stories, opinions and shows. you can even

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