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going head to habib. they're going head to head— habib. they're going head to head in— habib. they're going head to head in the— habib. they're going head to head in the next— habib. they're going head to head in the next hour. then join me between— head in the next hour. then join me between e— head in the next hour. then join me between 4 and— head in the next hour. then join me between 4 and 6 journalist and— me between 4 and 6 journalist and broadcaster— me between 4 and 6 journalist and broadcaster danny kelly and author— and broadcaster danny kelly and author and— and broadcaster danny kelly and author and broadcaster christine hammon— author and broadcaster christine hamilton will— author and broadcaster christine hamilton will be— author and broadcaster christine hamilton will be joining me u...— hamilton will be joining me live but— hamilton will be joining me live. but before— hamilton will be joining me live. but before we get started , tee-e— live. but before we get started , tee-e gee— live. but before we get started , tee-e get your— live. but before we get started , let's get your latest news headlines— , let's get your latest news headlines .— , let's get your latest news headlines . nana. wig headlines. nana. thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom we start with some breaking news. humberside police has confirmed a 15 year old girl has died after being pulled from the sea at cleethorpes beach in north—east lincolnshire . police north—east lincolnshire. police also say a boy who was recovered from the water was taken to hospital, he's since been hospital, but he's since been discharged. we'll bring you more on this story as we get it. russia's president says he has every confidence in his troops who the front line in who are on the front line in their continued war in ukraine. it's after the leader of the wagner mercenary group is now to head to belarus. last night, he pulled his troops out to avoid bloodshed they headed for bloodshed as they headed for moscow being described
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moscow on what's being described as attempted coup. they were as an attempted coup. they were on their to remove russian on their way to remove russian commanders that yevgeny prigozhin mishandled prigozhin blames for mishandled the war ukraine. ukrainian mp the war in ukraine. ukrainian mp alexei goncharenko believes putin's time is running out. definitely for this mutiny would continue— definitely for this mutiny would continue several— definitely for this mutiny would continue several days longer wus— continue several days longer batus several— continue several days longer batus several weeks longer . that batus several weeks longer. that will be— batus several weeks longer. that will be the— batus several weeks longer. that will be the end _ batus several weeks longer. that will be the end of— batus several weeks longer. that will be the end of russian army in ukraine. — will be the end of russian army in ukraine. n— will be the end of russian army in ukraine. it was— will be the end of russian army in ukraine. it was too quick to exploit— in ukraine. it was too quick to exploit it— in ukraine. it was too quick to exptett tt tet— in ukraine. it was too quick to exploit it for our— in ukraine. it was too quick to exploit it for our army. it was tutt— exploit it for our army. it was just tn— exploit it for our army. it was just tn ze— exploit it for our army. it was just in 24 hours.— exploit it for our army. it was just in 24 hours. so no, i don't tttnt— just in 24 hours. so no, i don't tttnt thet— just in 24 hours. so no, i don't think that now— just in 24 hours. so no, i don't think that now it— just in 24 hours. so no, i don't think that now it will in short term — think that now it will in short term wttt— think that now it will in short term will change— think that now it will in short term will change something on the battlefield— term will change something on the battlefield ._ term will change something on the battlefield . but on the the battlefield. but on the mtttte— the battlefield. but on the middle term,— the battlefield. but on the middle term, it showed . how weak middle term, it showed. how weak is middle term, it showed. how weak te tueett— middle term, it showed. how weak te tueett ent— middle term, it showed. how weak is russia and i'm— middle term, it showed. how weak is russia and i'm even more sure tetey— is russia and i'm even more sure tetty tn— is russia and i'm even more sure today in ukrainian— is russia and i'm even more sure today in ukrainian victory than tetete— today in ukrainian victory than tetete . — today in ukrainian victory than tetete . tte— today in ukrainian victory than before . the prime- today in ukrainian victory than before . 37” ll " before. the prime minister has set out what he's calling the biggest workforce training expansion in the us. writing in the sunday times, mr sunak said his nhs long term workforce plan will aim to train, retain and reform the uk's experienced nhs
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staff. he says as a country we rely on attracting talented people from overseas rather than recruiting at home. mr sunak described the 15 year plan as the cornerstone of his government's vision for a better health care system . the health care system. the chancellor says raising interest rates is one of the most effective methods to kerb inflation. this week, rates were hiked up to 5% from 4.5. the 13th rise in a row and the sharpest increase since february. the move means mortgage holders are preparing for a big jump in their monthly repayments . writing in the mail repayments. writing in the mail on sunday, jeremy hunt is urging those struggling to be patient with the painful measures . chief with the painful measures. chief secretary the treasury john secretary to the treasury john glenn told gb news the chancellor is committed to supporting the bank england supporting the bank of england and as know, the bank of and as you know, the bank of england is independent of government. we england is independent of government . we work closely with government. we work closely with them — government. we work closely with them ,— government. we work closely with ttem , tut— government. we work closely with them , tut they— government. we work closely with them , but they make— 3 we work closely with them , but they make those them, but they make those teetetene— them, but they make those decisions and— them, but they make those decisions and they've obviously tneteteet— decisions and they've obviously tneteteet-ty- decisions and they've obviously increased-by half- decisions and they've obviously increased by half a% increased our rates by half a% teet— increased our rates by half a% test weet. — increased our rates by half a% test weet. t-m— increased our rates by half a% last week. i'm not— increased our rates by half a% last week. i'm not here to commentate._ last week. i'm not here to commentate. i'm here to work eteeety— commentate. i'm here to work eteeety-tte— commentate. i'm here to work closely-the bank- commentate. i'm here to work
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closely the bank of closely with the bank of tngttnt. — closely with the bank of england. people don't want us to be england. people don't want us to te eeuettttne— england. people don't want us to be squabbling amongst ourselves whet—te— be squabbling amongst ourselves whet—be totte- be squabbling amongst ourselves what—be doing is- what we should be doing is having— what we should be doing is ttvtne e— what we should be doing is having a committed and united pttn— having a committed and united pten te— having a committed and united pten te teet— having a committed and united plan to deal with— having a committed and united plan to deal with high inflation in plan to deal with high inflation tn en— plan to deal with high inflation in our economy.— plan to deal with high inflation in our economy. that is what tene— in our economy. that is what tetne tn— in our economy. that is what we're doing in government and tnnt— we're doing in government and tnnt te— we're doing in government and tnnt te nnet— we're doing in government and that is what the— we're doing in government and that is what the governor of the tent— that is what the governor of the tent et— that is what the governor of the bank of england— that is what the governor of the bank of england is doing with the bank of england is doing with tne tnteneet— bank of england is doing with the interest rate— bank of england is doing with the interest rate decisions. the— the interest rate decisions. the ttntt— the interest rate decisions. the final chance— the interest rate decisions. the final chance to- the interest rate decisions. the final chance to see- the interest rate decisions. the final chance to see music legend sir elton john is fast approaching. the rocketman is hanging hat for his final hanging up his hat for his final show on home turf. we this evening at the glastonbury festival. events festival. the events co—organiser has teased details of his pyramid stage show, saying he's been carving out a set that's going to be completely unique to the festival . elton fans have been festival. elton fans have been queuing up to see the legendary last performance . turned out last performance. turned out tntee— last performance. turned out tnnee neute— last performance. turned out three hours after— last performance. turned out three hours after these- f turned out three hours after these guys. i tene— three hours after these guys. i nete et— three hours after these guys. i nete at 7— three hours after these guys. i was here at 7 a.m._ three hours after these guys. i was here at 7 am. i was third in was here at 7 am. i was third tn tne— was here at 7 am. i was third tn tne queue— was here at 7 am. i was third in the queue and— was here at 7 am. i was third in the queue and you can't miss ttten— in the queue and you can't miss ttten john— in the queue and you can't miss elton john last— in the queue and you can't miss elton john last ever— in the queue and you can't miss elton john last ever uk gig, etnetentnn. — elton john last ever uk gig, glastonbury. what a day. look, i ttnt— glastonbury. what a day. look, i ttnt et— glastonbury. what a day. look, i ttnt et tent— glastonbury. what a day. look, i kind of kept the— glastonbury. what a day. look, i kind of kept the tickets initially, but just for like elton , so i figured like, this elton, so i figured like, this is such a once in a lifetime chance that i can sleep any
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other day . but like front row, other day. but like front row, glastonbury ulez uk concert, that's probably going to be like a once in a lifetime chance . a once in a lifetime chance. you're up to date on gb news. we'll bring you more news as it nenpene.— we'll bring you more news as it nepnene. ten— we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's— we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to nana . happens. now it's back to nana. |tntnt— happens. now it's back to nana. | tttnt yen— happens. now it's back to nana. . thank you, tatiana. - happens. now it's back to nana. aboard. this is gb news on tv onune aboard. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. nana akua. it's time to go head to head. so let me introduce you to head. so let me introduce you to my head to heads. today it's former editor of the labourlist peter edwards, and also a former brexit party mep , ben habib. brexit party mep, ben habib. sorry, peter, that was quite a menacing stare that you gave so let me show you what else is coming. know i'm a softie, renun— coming. know i'm a softie, tentty, ten-t— coming. know i'm a softie, really, isn't he— coming. know i'm a softie, really, isn't he .7 - to“ g know i'm a softie, really, isn't he .7 md ti.t:::t’“ 3 know i'm a softie, really, isn't he .7 3g tzrtz; really, isn't he.7 right. here's what else really, isn't he? right. here's what else is coming up today. i'll be asking you, do you believe the west went overboard
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on the mutiny in russia? now, after russia mercenary fighters that heading towards moscow that were heading towards moscow turned back after striking a deal with russian president vladimir putin. do you think we kind of went overboard here in the uk then? it's been seven years since brexit, since the referendum, but the country still remains deeply divided over it, with many people pinning the blame on britain's current economic woes on its exit from the eu . what do you exit from the eu. what do you think? is brexit to blame once again? then jeremy hunt has called on banks to raise interest rates for savers in order to offset the financial plan. many are feeling as a result of the rising mortgage bills . but is this the result of the rising mortgage bills. but is this the right way? and is it too little, too late? and then finally, saint paups late? and then finally, saint paul's cathedral dubbed britain's wartime leader winston churchill, has as a white supremacist and unashamed imperialist. do supremacist and unashamed imperialist . do you supremacist and unashamed imperialist. do you think supremacist and unashamed imperialist . do you think that's imperialist. do you think that's gone a little bit too far? what are your thoughts? all of that on the way in the next hour. aslef, tell me what you think on
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everything we're discussing. email gb views. gb news .com or tweet me at . gb news. so tweet me at. gb news. so yesterday morning , we woke tweet me at. gb news. so yesterday morning, we woke up to the extraordinary news that vladimir putin's erstwhile allies, the wagner group, had launched an armed insurrection and were marching on moscow. however, by the evening we then had even more extraordinary news that the group's ruthless leader, yevgeny prigozhin , has leader, yevgeny prigozhin, has called off the insurrection and would reportedly be moving to belarus, despite the fact his troops were just 150 miles from the russian capital. however, many are saying that despite this , his regime being spared, this, his regime being spared, at least for now, president putin has been much weakened by his whole and that it his whole episode, and that it is beginning of the end of is the beginning of the end of his reign. but you believe the west kind of overboard on west kind of went overboard on the mutiny in russia. let's go live now to and speak live now to moscow and speak once to russian journalist once again to russian journalist alexei veer. alexei, thank you very joining there alexei veer. alexei, thank you very are. joining there alexei veer. alexei, thank you very are. you're oining there alexei veer. alexei, thank you very are. you're there there alexei veer. alexei, thank you veryare. you're there in there
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alexei veer. alexei, thank you veryare. you're there in the lere alexei veer. alexei, thank you veryare. you're there in the red you are. you're there in the red square moscow, in russia. square in moscow, in russia. what situation right now what is the situation right now ? hello, nana. well it's a nentennt— 7’ hello, nana. well it's a wonderful sunny day here in moscow— wonderful sunny day here in moscow .— wonderful sunny day here in moscow , comparing to yesterday moscow, comparing to yesterday nnen— moscow, comparing to yesterday nnen tnene — moscow, comparing to yesterday when there was— moscow, comparing to yesterday when there was a— moscow, comparing to yesterday when there was a lot of anxiety. tnene— when there was a lot of anxiety. tnete te— when there was a lot of anxiety. tnete te etttt— when there was a lot of anxiety. there is still counter—terrorist enentten— there is still counter—terrorist enentten ent— there is still counter—terrorist operation and regime here in nteee— operation and regime here in nttee .— operation and regime here in nteee , tut— operation and regime here in nteee , tut tt— operation and regime here in place , but it seems that place, but it seems that eventhne— place, but it seems that everything, everything is has teen— everything, everything is has been resolved.— everything, everything is has been resolved. it seems that the enteettenne— been resolved. it seems that the catastrophe has— been resolved. it seems that the catastrophe has been avoided. we etttt— catastrophe has been avoided. we etttt te— catastrophe has been avoided. we etttt to neve— catastrophe has been avoided. we still do have some— catastrophe has been avoided. we still do have some extra law enforcement— still do have some extra law enforcement here on the streets ent— enforcement here on the streets and tney— enforcement here on the streets and tney tne— enforcement here on the streets and they are wearing some heavy gent.— and they are wearing some heavy gent. ten— and they are wearing some heavy gear. for example,— and they are wearing some heavy gear. for example, bullet—proof teete— gear. for example, bullet—proof veete ent— gear. for example, bullet—proof vests and helmets— gear. for example, bullet—proof vests and helmets . they have vests and helmets. they have nnentne— vests and helmets. they have neentne tune,— vests and helmets. they have machine guns, which which is nnnent— machine guns, which which is nnnent . nut— machine guns, which which is unusual . but as— machine guns, which which is unusual . but as you can see here unusual. but as you can see here tne— unusual. but as you can see here he, tne— unusual. but as you can see here live, life continues— unusual. but as you can see here live, life continues .— unusual. but as you can see here live, life continues . the live, life continues. the ettnetten— live, life continues. the situation here - live, life continues. the situation here in downtown tteeeew— situation here in downtown moscow doesn't— situation here in downtown moscow doesn't seem any any ttttetent— moscow doesn't seem any any different from _ moscow doesn't seem any any different from the— moscow doesn't seem any any different from the usual . the different from the usual. the tet— different from the usual. the tet equate— different from the usual. the tet square te— different from the usual. the red square is still closed , but red square is still closed, but etnet— red square is still closed, but etnet tntn— red square is still closed, but other than that,— red square is still closed, but other than that, everything eeenntetne— other than that, everything seems fine. the— other than that, everything seems fine. the roads , most seems fine. the roads, most teete— seems fine. the roads, most roads now have— seems fine. the roads, most roads now have been unblocked ent— roads now have been unblocked nnt tne— roads now have been unblocked nnt tne ente— roads now have been unblocked and the cars are— roads now have been unblocked and the cars are circulating as tenet — and the cars are circulating as nennt se— and the cars are circulating as nent so tenn— and the cars are circulating as usual. so yeah, since the catastrophe _ usual. so yeah, since the catastrophe has been avoided . catastrophe has been avoided. so catastrophe has been avoided. so tt— catastrophe has been avoided. so tt wentt— catastrophe has been avoided. so it would appear—
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catastrophe has been avoided. so it would appear that- catastrophe has been avoided. so it would appear that the conflict has been resolved. how did that come come about? what did that come come about? what did the russian people being told? well all russian people have been told that thanks to the brokerage by the belarus president , alexander lukashenko president, alexander lukashenko , a negotiated solution between the wagner, between the head of the wagner, between the head of the wagner, between the head of the wagner group, mr prigozhin , the wagner group, mr prigozhin, and the kremlin, a negotiated solution has been reached. and according to this deal,- solution has been reached. and according to this deal, mr- according to this deal, mr nneezntn— according to this deal, mr prigozhin with— according to this deal, mr prigozhin with his troops will be nnttet — prigozhin with his troops will be waived from _ prigozhin with his troops will be waived from any criminal nneeentten — be waived from any criminal prosecution, and— be waived from any criminal prosecution, and they will be tuned— prosecution, and they will be nttenet te— prosecution, and they will be allowed to leave _ prosecution, and they will be allowed to leave to belarus eaten— allowed to leave to belarus eaten .— allowed to leave to belarus eaten . tn— allowed to leave to belarus safely . mr prigozhin himself safely. mr prigozhin himself etntne— safely. mr prigozhin himself claims that— safely. mr prigozhin himself claims that he— safely. mr prigozhin himself claims that he was only 200km away— claims that he was only 200km twat tnn — claims that he was only 200km away from moscow— claims that he was only 200km away from moscow when he decided to mate— away from moscow when he decided to mate n— away from moscow when he decided to make a u—turn_ away from moscow when he decided to make a u—turn .— away from moscow when he decided to make a u—turn . this decision to make a u—turn. this decision nttt— to make a u—turn. this decision nttt eettntntt— to make a u—turn. this decision will certainly save— to make a u—turn. this decision will certainly save a lot of ttvee— will certainly save a lot of ttvee . — will certainly save a lot of ttvee . nnt— will certainly save a lot of lives . and how- will certainly save a lot of lives . ' t: ll will certainly save a lot of lives . ' t: ii will certainly save a lot of- lives . and how will the russian lives. and how will the russian media covering the story ? well, media covering the story? well, it doesn't come as a “tit: i g , well, it doesn't come as a surprise tnnt— it doesn't come as a surprise tnnt nt— it doesn't come as a surprise tnnt at an— it doesn't come as a surprise that at an rmt_
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it doesn't come as a surprise that at an rmt mutiny here in tneetn— that at an rmt mutiny here in tneetn te— that at an rmt mutiny here in tneetn te en— that at an rmt mutiny here in russia is on the— that at an rmt mutiny here in russia is on the front pages of all russia is on the front pages of an newenenpe— russia is on the front pages of all newspapers, both here in the eenntn— all newspapers, both here in the eenntn nnt— all newspapers, both here in the eenntn nnt att— all newspapers, both here in the country and all over the world. nnt— country and all over the world. tnt tneetnn— country and all over the world. and russian state— country and all over the world. and russian state controlled nette— and russian state controlled nettn neve— and russian state controlled media have this— and russian state controlled media have this narrative that etttenett— media have this narrative that obviously condemns the attempt to nnttnt— obviously condemns the attempt to nnttnt nnt— obviously condemns the attempt to mutiny and they're focusing on tne— to mutiny and they're focusing on the damages— to mutiny and they're focusing on the damages caused by the wagner— on the damages caused by the ttngnet teete— on the damages caused by the wagner troops, for example, teen— wagner troops, for example, local authorities— wagner troops, for example, local authorities in rostov , local authorities in rostov, tenten— local authorities in rostov, tenten ne— local authorities in rostov, london are saying that some eeettnz— london are saying that some 10,000km2 of— london are saying that some 10,000km2 of roads have been tnnnget— 10,000km2 of roads have been damaged ty— 10,000km2 of roads have been damaged by ty— 10,000km2 of roads have been damaged by by wagner tanks and the damaged by by wagner tanks and tne epneettten— damaged by by wagner tanks and the opposition media in russia neve— the opposition media in russia nnve n— the opposition media in russia have a different,— the opposition media in russia have a different, more extreme tate— have a different, more extreme tnte. ant— have a different, more extreme take. and they're— have a different, more extreme take. and they're saying that tnetenttt— take. and they're saying that basically the _ take. and they're saying that basically the accusing prigozhin of basically the accusing prigozhin et net— basically the accusing prigozhin et net or— basically the accusing prigozhin et net en et— basically the accusing prigozhin of not or of failing to keep his nnntee— of not or of failing to keep his ntentee te— of not or of failing to keep his promise to make— of not or of failing to keep his promise to make this regime ennnee— promise to make this regime ennnge tene— promise to make this regime change here in— promise to make this regime change here in russia and well, nnttte— change here in russia and well, nnttte ten— change here in russia and well, unlike for some— change here in russia and well, unlike for some blood thirsty commentators, _ unlike for some blood thirsty commentators, i— unlike for some blood thirsty commentators, i would say that meet— commentators, i would say that most russians— commentators, i would say that most russians are— commentators, i would say that most russians are happy with the— most russians are happy with this peaceful— most russians are happy with this peaceful resolution, which tend— this peaceful resolution, which eentt neve— this peaceful resolution, which could have honestly led to a new ent— could have honestly led to a new etvtt ne— could have honestly led to a new civil war here _ could have honestly led to a new
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civil war here in— could have honestly led to a new civil war here in russia . �*ftt�*tzgl civil war here in russia. well, ttexet— civil war here in russia. well, alexei, thank— civil war here in russia. well, alexei, thank you very much for keeping us up to date. that's alexei. he's a journalist. he's there in red square in moscow. thank you very much. right. so let's time to get the thoughts of on the storyline. of my panel on the storyline. former labour editor labourlist peter edwards and also former brexit party mep ben habib. i'll start with you, peter. did you think that we went overboard? you know? no, i don't think the tteetetn— you know? no, i don't think the western media— you know? no, i don't think the western media did.— /t:::t. , no, i don't think the western media did. from what tne— western media did. from what he tne— western media did. from what i've seen. the key— western media did. from what i've seen. the key thing from tne— i've seen. the key thing from tne-et— i've seen. the key thing from tne-et tne— i've seen. the key thing from the-of the last- i've seen. the key thing from the of the last week or the events of the last week or so the events of the last week or ee te— the events of the last week or ee te-teeete— the events of the last week or so is-facade has- the events of the last week or so is facade has cracked. so is the facade has cracked. so so is the facade has cracked. so tnttn-e— so is the facade has cracked. so putin's been— so is the facade has cracked. so putin's been in— so is the facade has cracked. so putin's been in an- so is the facade has cracked. so putin's been in an office for about years, and had four about 23 years, and he had four years not being president, years of not being president, but he really had a patsy. dmitri medvedev fill the role dmitri medvedev to fill the role for he's war criminal and for him. he's a war criminal and he's very evil man. and since he's a very evil man. and since i mean, he did lots of things that wicked ukraine, that are wicked before ukraine, but stepped that up but since he stepped that up with invasion ukraine with the invasion of ukraine just ago, there's just over a year ago, there's always this question about always been this question about what would the end like for what would the end look like for putin? he die of natural putin? would he die of natural causes? been rumours causes? there have been rumours he we have no idea he had cancer. we have no idea if that's true or not. would he be assassinated? seems incredibly his incredibly unlikely. despite his record ing
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record of assassination ing opponents. was never opponents. clearly, he was never going in his going to retire and live in his dacha. now, because dacha. and now, because he's wanted be wanted internationally, it'd be very although very hard. although as i understand, impossible understand, not impossible for him to flee because otherwise he could up hague for could end up at the hague for war the facade has war crimes. so the facade has cracked because there was this uneasy peace. i don't know uneasy peace. and i don't know if quite the right if that's quite the right phrase, uneasy phrase, but there was an uneasy settlement russia with putin settlement in russia with putin kept the of the kept going and the events of the last remember a private last week, we remember a private military who military military leader who owed position and money owed all his position and money to political patronage from the kremlin. basic change sides having been involved in prosecuting a thirsty war in ukraine and yevgeny prigozhin is a difficult name to say. but yevgeny prigozhin then changed his mind, turned on putin, led a private army through the streets of russia. so i don't think we're ever the realms of we're ever in the realms of having a coup this week. it wasn't going to get that far. but because putin's going to dig in. the facade has in. but i think the facade has cracked and i think matters cracked and i think it matters for west because of evil for the west because of the evil acts in ukraine, because acts in ukraine, but because russia's power, some russia's a nuclear power, some people that tony people might say that tony blair's war criminal, but what blair's a war criminal, but what do ben habib? i
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do you think, ben habib? i agree. i think tony blair is a t— agree. i think tony blair is a t nette— agree. i think tony blair is a war. i would say— agree. i think tony blair is a war. i would say that some neente— war. i would say that some people tent-e— war. i would say that some people tony's defend people tony's not defend ntneett. — people tony's not defend himself. .he- people tony's not defend himself. .he did- people tony's not defend himself. t: t: people tony's not defend- himself. .he did put you himself. but he did put you know, he go into iraq. yeah, know, he did go into iraq. yeah, he did. and we're living with the he did. and we're living with tne—even- he did. and we're living with the—even now.| he did. and we're living with- the_even now. what the consequences even now. what a the consequences even now. what e teete— the consequences even now. what e breve-text — the consequences even now. what a brave -alexi . going - the consequences even now. what a brave alexi going to a brave man. alexi is going to tne—ent- a brave man. alexi is going to. the—and transmitting the red square and transmitting ttet— the red square and transmitting ttet-nee— the red square and transmitting that. was interesting to me that. what was interesting to me tren— that. what was interesting to me from .transmission_ that. what was interesting to me from transmission was from his transmission on was tnet— from his transmission on was tnet-eetttne- from his transmission on was that-getting the- that they're getting the same etern— that they're getting the same eten. lnnettt— that they're getting the same story. pretty much is what story. he pretty much is what were—se- story. he pretty much is what were—st tnel story. he pretty much is what. we're—so the idea we're getting here. so the idea tnet— we're getting here. so the idea tnet-ntent— we're getting here. so the idea that-might.some- we're getting here. so the idea that might some kind that there might be some kind of, that there might be some kind tet-knott— that there might be some kind of, know, propaganda fire of, you know, propaganda fire going— of, you know, propaganda fire eetng-tneete— of, you know, propaganda fire going russia isn't going on in russia isn't correct. and— going on in russia isn't correct. and if- going on in russia isn't correct. and if lukashenko is being— correct. and if lukashenko is being nnt— correct. and if lukashenko is being nnt ent— correct. and if lukashenko is being put out as— correct. and if lukashenko is being put out as the guy who's tnetetet— being put out as the guy who's brokered this— being put out as the guy who's brokered this deal, obviously his brokered this deal, obviously nte eter— brokered this deal, obviously nte etet te— brokered this deal, obviously his star is going— brokered this deal, obviously his star is going to be rising entte— his star is going to be rising quite dramatically in that entere— quite dramatically in that ennene et— quite dramatically in that sphere of influence because he's eetet— sphere of influence because he's eetet tn— sphere of influence because he's now acted in order— sphere of influence because he's now acted in order to de—escalate - now acted in order to de—escalate a problem in russia. so de—escalate a problem in russia. so we— de—escalate a problem in russia. so we ntent— de—escalate a problem in russia. so we ntent eee— de—escalate a problem in russia. so we might see more from tnteenente— so we might see more from lukashenko in— so we might see more from lukashenko in the future here. t-n — lukashenko in the future here. t-n net— lukashenko in the future here. i'm not convinced— lukashenko in the future here. i'm not convinced we've seen the teet— i'm not convinced we've seen the teet et— i'm not convinced we've seen the teet et tnttn— i'm not convinced we've seen the last of putin clearly— i'm not convinced we've seen the last of putin clearly , this was, last of putin clearly, this was, you— last of putin clearly, this was, you knew — last of putin clearly, this was, you knew en— last of putin clearly, this was, you know, an attack on his entnentt— you know, an attack on his authority, prima- you know, an attack on his authority, prima facia was an etteet— authority, prima facia was an etteet en— authority, prima facia was an attack on his— authority, prima facia was an attack on his authority unless it attack on his authority unless tt wee— attack on his authority unless tt eene— attack on his authority unless it was some kind— attack on his authority unless it was some kind of false flag enetetten— it was some kind of false flag enetetten tn— it was some kind of false flag operation in order— it was some kind of false flag operation in order to get wagner group— operation in order to get wagner ennn tnte— operation in order to get wagner
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group into belarus— operation in order to get wagner group into belarus . and they're group into belarus. and they're going— group into belarus. and they're going te— group into belarus. and they're going to etteet— group into belarus. and they're going to attack from the north. tenentet— going to attack from the north. remember wagner group has acted tent— remember wagner group has acted nent tn— remember wagner group has acted nent tn etewe— remember wagner group has acted hand in glove with— remember wagner group has acted hand in glove with putin for the teet— hand in glove with putin for the teet ze— hand in glove with putin for the teet zn wee — hand in glove with putin for the last 24 years. you— hand in glove with putin for the last 24 years. you know, it's teen— last 24 years. you know, it's teen tt-e— last 24 years. you know, it's been it's covert— last 24 years. you know, it's been it's covert operations , been it's covert operations, etnet— been it's covert operations, runs abroad effectively ever ee— runs abroad effectively ever since afghanistan, with the exeentten — since afghanistan, with the exeentten et— since afghanistan, with the exception of georgia, we haven't tneete— exception of georgia, we haven't seen russia and— exception of georgia, we haven't seen russia and military acting tnte— seen russia and military acting into nationally.— seen russia and military acting into nationally. it's been it's teen— into nationally. it's been it's been through— into nationally. it's been it's been through the wagner group. so been through the wagner group. se tnew— been through the wagner group. se tnew ee— been through the wagner group. se tnew ten— been through the wagner group. so they are very close. i eneneet— so they are very close. i suspect that _ so they are very close. i suspect that what we saw was wnet— suspect that what we saw was wnet teet— suspect that what we saw was what took place,— suspect that what we saw was what took place, that it wasn't a what took place, that it wasn't e tetee— what took place, that it wasn't e tetee ttee — what took place, that it wasn't a false flag operation. and i eneneet— a false flag operation. and i eneneet — a false flag operation. and i suspect we're going to see quite a suspect we're going to see quite e tnee— suspect we're going to see quite e tnee tent— suspect we're going to see quite a knee jerk reaction from putin in a knee jerk reaction from putin tn tne— a knee jerk reaction from putin tn tne next— a knee jerk reaction from putin in the next few— a knee jerk reaction from putin in the next few weeks . and it'll in the next few weeks. and it'll be wnet— in the next few weeks. and it'll be what putin— in the next few weeks. and it'll be what putin does. i think , be what putin does. i think, tne— be what putin does. i think, over the next— be what putin does. i think, over the next few weeks, which wttt— over the next few weeks, which will determine— over the next few weeks, which will determine whether or not he eentttenee— will determine whether or not he confidence people's belief confidence and people's belief in confidence and people's belief tn tnttn— confidence and people's belief in putin ebbs_ confidence and people's belief in putin ebbs away or whether he can in putin ebbs away or whether he grip— in putin ebbs away or whether he ent tt— in putin ebbs away or whether he ent tt teet— in putin ebbs away or whether he can grip it back. well then we newe— can grip it back. well then we newe tne— can grip it back. well then we have the situation where, of course, vladimir— have the situation where, of course, vladimir putin is a ettene— course, vladimir putin is a strong aggressor in a sense, teee— strong aggressor in a sense, teee ne-e— strong aggressor in a sense, because he's gone into ukraine in because he's gone into ukraine tn tnet— because he's gone into ukraine tn tnet wet.— because he's gone into ukraine tn tnet wet. — because he's gone into ukraine in that way. but— because he's gone into ukraine in that way. stir“ because he's gone into ukraine in that way. g�*tz“ i: in that way. but then what could follow could be worse. so, for example, if prigozhin did manage to overthrow him in some respect, that would probably be
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worse. it would be disaster. disaster. would disaster. disaster. it would be disaster. nnt— disaster. it would be disaster. nnt-tne— disaster. it would be disaster. and -the issue,- disaster. it would be disaster. and the issue, you know, and this is the issue, you know, be ten— and this is the issue, you know, be very eetetnt— and this is the issue, you know, be very careful what you wish ten— be very careful what you wish for.-were keen- be very careful what you wish for.-were keen to- be very careful what you wish for. were keen to get rid for. we all were keen to get rid of for. we all were keen to get rid et-nneeetn— for. we all were keen to get rid et-nneeetn .- for. we all were keen to get rid of- hussein , but- for. we all were keen to get rid of hussein , but look at of saddam hussein, but look at the of saddam hussein, but look at tne-tnet— of saddam hussein, but look at tne-tnet-nee- of saddam hussein, but look at the that has become the mess that iraq has become ee— the mess that iraq has become since saddam _ the mess that iraq has become since saddam and— the mess that iraq has become since saddam and libya. libya is a since saddam and libya. libya is etettet— since saddam and libya. libya is a failed state. _ since saddam and libya. libya is a failed state. iraq— since saddam and libya. libya is a failed state. iraq is a failed etete— a failed state. iraq is a failed state. afghanistan was always a tetee— state. afghanistan was always a tetee-nnt— state. afghanistan was always a failed-but we— state. afghanistan was always a failed but we didn't add failed state, but we didn't add enwtntne— failed state, but we didn't add enwtntne-enn- failed state, but we didn't add anything sum total of anything to the sum total of tnet— anything to the sum total of tnet .— anything to the sum total of their ,-know. _ anything to the sum total of their , know. we've got to their, you know. so we've got to be their, you know. so we've got to te eeetn— their, you know. so we've got to be really careful— their, you know. so we've got to be really careful what we do. be be really careful what we do. ne eetetnt— be really careful what we do. be careful what— be really careful what we do. be careful what you - be really careful what we do. be careful what you wish- be really careful what we do. be careful what you wish for. well, what your thoughts on well, what are your thoughts on that? the media do was that? did did the media do was it a bit overkill on whole it a bit overkill on the whole russia situation? touch. russia situation? get in touch. gb news .com will read gb views gb news .com will read your messages the your messages throughout the show. tuned in. show. if you're just tuned in. welcome board it's head to welcome on board it's head to head. i'm nana akua. it's coming up minutes after 3:00 and up to 16 minutes after 3:00 and we ben we are live. joining me, ben habib also peter edwards. habib and also peter edwards. but this story got me because when looked and i realised when i looked and i realised that keir starmer, he's hinted that keir starmer, he's hinted that will elevate former that he will elevate former prime tony blair. we prime minister tony blair. we mentioned him earlier. a lot of people call a people will call him a war criminal. others that criminal. others would say that he and gordon brown to he isn't. and gordon brown to the of lords. well, didn't the house of lords. well, didn't he raid the pensions if the labour leader the
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labour leader wins the next general election? the labour general election? now the labour leader would of leader said that he would of course to his course want to speak to his predecessors about the transition opposition transition from opposition to government party had government, and his party had made its plans to made no secret of its plans to stack parliament's chamber stack parliament's upper chamber with peers to with more labour peers to help pass and is pass legislation. and that is despite pledging to abolish the house of lords in his first term in government. right. so was this rank hypocrisy from the labour party? start with labour party? and start with you, says he's you, ben habib. he says he's going to abolish it and then he's ready to place people like gordon and tony blair in gordon brown and tony blair in there. it's hypocrisy. he there. it's rank hypocrisy. he tnewe— there. it's rank hypocrisy. he knows- house- there. it's rank hypocrisy. he knows- house of- there. it's rank hypocrisy. he knows- house of is knows that the house of lords is exttenetw— knows that the house of lords is extremely unpopular now , extremely unpopular now, eenetettw— extremely unpopular now, generally-the. generally amongst the electorate, _ generally amongst the electorate, crony ism and electorate, the crony ism and tne— electorate, the crony ism and tne netnete— electorate, the crony ism and the methods by— electorate, the crony ism and the methods by which , you know, the methods by which, you know, neente— the methods by which, you know, people ee— the methods by which, you know, people are elevate— the methods by which, you know, people are elevate .— the methods by which, you know, people are elevate . and i'm not people are elevate. and i'm not eettne— people are elevate. and i'm not saying ett— people are elevate. and i'm not saying all peerages, by the way , vou— saying all peerages, by the way , you knew,— saying all peerages, by the way , you know, grant— saying all peerages, by the way , you know, grant it in that way,— , you know, grant it in that wet tent— , you know, grant it in that we, tnt you— , you know, grant it in that way, but you know, there's a eeetn— way, but you know, there's a really etteng— way, but you know, there's a really strong whiff now about the really strong whiff now about tne tetee— really strong whiff now about the house of— really strong whiff now about the house of lords , and i think the house of lords, and i think it's the house of lords, and i think tt-e going— the house of lords, and i think tt-e going te— the house of lords, and i think tt-e going to te— the house of lords, and i think it's going to be very hard to enttt— it's going to be very hard to enttt tt— it's going to be very hard to enttt t. t— it's going to be very hard to shift it. i don't— it's going to be very hard to shift it. i don't think i eneneet— shift it. i don't think i suspect gordon brown would eccent— suspect gordon brown would eeeent e— suspect gordon brown would accept a peerage. i'd be very entnneet— accept a peerage. i'd be very entnneet tt— accept a peerage. i'd be very surprised if tony— accept a peerage. i'd be very surprised if tony blair does, of nett— surprised if tony blair does, of course he'll accept and i'll course he'll accept it and i'll tett— course he'll accept it and i'll tett-wnw. — course he'll accept it and i'll tett-wnw. t-tt— course he'll accept it and i'll tell-why. i'll tell- course he'll accept it and i'll tell why. i'll tell you why, tell you why. i'll tell you why, tene. —
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tell you why. i'll tell you why, tene. -tntnt— tell you why. i'll tell you why, nana. -think he- tell you why. i'll tell you why, nana. think he will, nana. i don't think he will, except— nana. i don't think he will, exeept tent— nana. i don't think he will, except tony blair accept. i'll tet— except tony blair accept. i'll tett wen. — except tony blair accept. i'll tett wen. t— except tony blair accept. i'll tett wen. i-vou- except tony blair accept. i'll tell you. i you why he tell you. i tell you why he ntgnt— tell you. i tell you why he ntent net. — tell you. i tell you why he might not. and- tell you. i tell you why he might not. and it's because he's nettne— might not. and it's because he's nettne ee— might not. and it's because he's making so-money- might not. and it's because he's making so money outside the making so much money outside the teete— making so much money outside the tetee-et— making so much money outside the lords-of course,— making so much money outside the lords-of course,.you- lords and of course, if you teeene— lords and of course, if you become e— lords and of course, if you become a peer,- lords and of course, if you become a peer, then become a peer, you then become entteet—eetnttnwl subject to all the same scrutiny tnet— subject to all the same scrutiny tnet tene— subject to all the same scrutiny that boris johnson— subject to all the same scrutiny that boris johnson was scrutinised. _ that boris johnson was scrutinised. you the scrutinised. you know, the tnwtegee— scrutinised. you know, the privileges committee get, privileges committee they get, you _ disclosure . you have to make disclosure etett—nettnei about where you're making your money— about where you're making your moneouv-v- about where you're making your money you're making it, money and how you're making it, tren— money and how you're making it, teen—t.- money and how you're making it, teen—t. tnt from whom you're getting it. and etett— from whom you're getting it. and ntetn t— from whom you're getting it. and blair, i suspect,— from whom you're getting it. and blair, i suspect, is— from whom you're getting it. and blair, i suspect, is making a lot blair, i suspect, is making a tet ne— blair, i suspect, is making a lot more money— blair, i suspect, is making a lot more money from a lot more eeeene— te- lot more money from a lot morej areas—us to know. areas than he'd like us to know. so areas than he'd like us to know. se nt— areas than he'd like us to know. so t-t te— areas than he'd like us to know. so i'd be surprised.— areas than he'd like us to know. so i'd be surprised. find it a so i'd be surprised. i find it a etentnette— so i'd be surprised. i find it a abominable-he- so i'd be surprised. i find it a abominable he was given the abominable that he was given the nteneet— abominable that he was given the ntgneet enter— abominable that he was given the highest order of— abominable that he was given the highest order of knighthood of the highest order of knighthood of tne—ne— highest order of knighthood of tne—nte tne- highest order of knighthood of the—his time in. the garter after his time in etttee— the garter after his time in office. given— the garter after his time in office. given what he did to the eenntw— office. given what he did to the eenntw ent— office. given what he did to the country and the— office. given what he did to the country and the world while he tn— country and the world while he was in office. _ country and the world while he was in office. peter- country and the world while he was in office. �*ftt�*tzgl was in office. peter well, i disagree with most of that. first of all, i don't think firstdof all, i don't think tony first of all, i don't think tony etet— first of all, i don't think tony ntet te— first of all, i don't think tony ntet te e— first of all, i don't think tony blair is a war— first of all, i don't think tony blair is a war criminal. but but eteetw— blair is a war criminal. but but eteentw ne— blair is a war criminal. but but eteentw ne t— blair is a war criminal. but but clearly he i-the- blair is a war criminal. but but clearly he i the invasion clearly he i think the invasion of clearly he i think the invasion et-e— clearly he i think the invasion of-a disaster.- clearly he i think the invasion of-a disaster. but. of iraq was a disaster. but tet-e— of iraq was a disaster. but tet-e net— of iraq was a disaster. but let's not spend- of iraq was a disaster. but let's not spend half an hour on ttet— let's not spend half an hour on ttet-tetne— let's not spend half an hour on that.-terms of- let's not spend half an hour on that.-terms of the- let's not spend half an hour on that. terms of the lords that. now, in terms of the lords etett— that. now, in terms of the lords etent t— that. now, in terms of the lords etent t tntnt— that. now, in terms of the lords story, i think who— that. now, in terms of the lords story, i think who knows if it wttt—newel story, i think who knows if iti wttt—neve te will happen. but you have to peer— will happen. but you have to bearlmind_ will happen. but you have to bear-mind so— will happen. but you have to bear mind so labour ahead in bear in mind so labour ahead in the bear in mind so labour ahead in tne eptnten— bear in mind so labour ahead in the opinion polls,— bear in mind so labour ahead in the opinion polls, labour could be-government,- be the next government, but tnew-te— be the next government, but tnew-te-tettng— be the next government, but they're taking that for they're not taking that for enntet— they're not taking that for granted-then- they're not taking that for. granted.-then-run they're not taking that for- granted.-then-run up granted. but then they'll run up as granted. but then they'll run up eene-w— granted. but then they'll run up as new governments do,
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as many new governments do, eeetnet— as many new governments do, eeetnet-nnnten— as many new governments do, against number of tory and against the number of tory and eneetenen— against the number of tory and crossbench_wouldl against the number of tory and crosstitich_wouldl against the number of tory and crosstitich difficult would against the number of tory and crosstitich difficult to vould against the number of tory and crosstitich difficult to get d make it very difficult to get eettetn— make it very difficult to get eettetn-et— make it very difficult to get certain of legislation certain bits of legislation tnnengn— certain bits of legislation through parliament than through parliament other than any through parliament other than ent-expttetttw- through parliament other than any explicitly stated any that are explicitly stated in .manifesto_ any that are explicitly stated in manifesto which the lords in the manifesto which the lords wette— in the manifesto which the lordsi wentt—enppen. would be duty bound to support. so would be duty bound to support. se—tttnteten- would be duty bound to support. so_minister of- would be duty bound to support. so_minister of a- would be duty bound to support. so minister of a new so every prime minister of a new government— so every prime minister of a new government tends— so every prime minister of a new government tends to enable their own-tnet-e— government tends to enable their own -that's normal- government tends to enable their own-that's normal .- government tends to enable their own that's normal . and own party. so that's normal. and even— own party. so that's normal. and even-tnne— own party. so that's normal. and every prime minister every former prime minister tente— every former prime minister tente te— every former prime minister tente to te— every former prime minister tends to be offered a peerage as wett— tends to be offered a peerage as wet se— tends to be offered a peerage as well. so that's— tends to be offered a peerage as well. so that's also— tends to be offered a peerage as well. so that's also normal. i eetnettw— well. so that's also normal. i actually think— well. so that's also normal. i actually think gordon brown, who i actually think gordon brown, who t tntnt— actually think gordon brown, who t tntnt wee— actually think gordon brown, who t tntnt e— actually think gordon brown, who i think was a fantastic chancellor,- i think was a fantastic chancellor, but he lived a kind of chancellor, but he lived a kind et tenenew— chancellor, but he lived a kind of famously ascetic life. the tntng— of famously ascetic life. the the we— of famously ascetic life. the one thing we could disagree or you— one thing we could disagree or you ntent— one thing we could disagree or you might disagree with gordon brown— you might disagree with gordon brown en— you might disagree with gordon brown ten-et— you might disagree with gordon brown on-of the- you might disagree with gordon brown on of the politics, brown on some of the politics, no brown on some of the politics, meter-— brown on some of the politics, ne-etet-ntn- brown on some of the politics, no-ever-him ofi no one's ever accused him of tetne— no one's ever accused him of tetneltt— no one's ever accused him of tetneltt tet— no one's ever accused him of being-it for status- no one's ever accused him of being it for status or money. being in it for status or money. he twee— being in it for status or money. he twee-en— being in it for status or money. he lived an ascetic life he lived quite an ascetic life ent— he lived quite an ascetic life and continues— he lived quite an ascetic life and continues to— he lived quite an ascetic life and continues to do so. so i'm net— and continues to do so. so i'm not ee— and continues to do so. so i'm not net— and continues to do so. so i'm not sure he'd take— and continues to do so. so i'm not sure he'd take up a peerage. do not sure he'd take up a peerage. to you— not sure he'd take up a peerage. do you remember— not sure he'd take up a peerage. do you remember that— not sure he'd take up a peerage. do you remember that bigoted woman he made when woman phrase that he made when he didn't realise the mic was up and apologised? and all and he apologised? and we all make mistakes,— m: g 3“ and we all make mistakes, apologising, but tnet-e— make mistakes, apologising, but tnet-e-e— make mistakes, apologising, but tnet-e-e eneep- make mistakes, apologising, but that's a cheap shot. that's a bit of a cheap shot. nnt— that's a bit of a cheap shot. tnt tnen— that's a bit of a cheap shot. tnt tnen en— that's a bit of a cheap shot. and then on blair's point, and then on tony blair's point, it's and then on tony blair's point, tt-e- — and then on tony blair's point, tt-e- tn— and then on tony blair's point, tt-e- t-ntnet- it's the truth. i'm just reminding you because you were saying how he is. i just saying how great he is. i just reminded. we all reminded. remember that we all make i think it's make mistakes and i think it's good apologise. but ben habib
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good to apologise. but ben habib mete— good to apologise. but ben habib nete e— good to apologise. but ben habib nete e petnt— good to apologise. but ben habib made a point about— good to apologise. but ben habib made a point about tony- g: g but ben habib made a point about tony blair. so made a point about tony blair. ee-ntet— made a point about tony blair. so-blair-make- made a point about tony blair. so-blair-make a- made a point about tony blair. so blair make a lot of so tony blair did make a lot of money— so tony blair did make a lot of money tnet-e— so tony blair did make a lot of money that's undoubted, he's money that's undoubted, but he's teneetw— money that's undoubted, but he's largely—the- money that's undoubted, but he's largely the business largely wound down the business entetpnee— enterprise and put the money tnte— enterprise and put the money tnte-tenw— enterprise and put the money into tony institute. into the tony blair institute. st.— into the tony blair institute. so, wee— into the tony blair institute. so, weelttt— into the tony blair institute. so, yes, did make a lot of so, yes, he did make a lot of money— so, yes, he did make a lot of money tne— so, yes, he did make a lot of money. we don't— so, yes, he did make a lot of money. we don't know how much, but money. we don't know how much, tntlten-t— money. we don't know how much, butldon't think— money. we don't know how much, but don't think disclosure but i don't think the disclosure enentt— but i don't think the disclosure enentt te— but i don't think the disclosure enentt be e— but i don't think the disclosure should be a problem now because ne-e— should be a problem now because nee—et— should be a problem now because ne-e—et nte- he's funnelled most of his weettn— he's funnelled most of his. wealth _think wealth into the kind of think tent— wealth into the kind of think tank charitable— wealth into the kind of think tank charitable enterprise. i ute— tank charitable enterprise. i like-hidden. he'si like the word hidden. he's funnelled his wealth- l : “ t:t:t::i“ he's funnelled his wealth into a tntnt— funnelled his wealth into a tntnt tent— funnelled his wealth into a think tank. so— funnelled his wealth into a think tank. so that's all good. teen. — think tank. so that's all good. teen. teen.— think tank. so that's all good. teen. teen. t— think tank. so that's all good. yeah. yeah. i mean,- think tank. so that's all good. yeah. / think tank. so that's all good. yeah. “43?“ “ yeah. yeah. i mean, i, i, you know, i, i agree largely with what about gordon what peter said about gordon brown. think he was lousy brown. i think he was a lousy chancellor. but he, you know, he did he because he did what he did because he believed tony blair, on believed in it. tony blair, on the hand, i he sold the other hand, i sorry. he sold he sold gold at the bottom. and remember when that government left was left office, the country was effectively know, effectively bankrupt. you know, government debt had reached an astronomical was astronomical levels as it was then. it hadn't been for then. and if it hadn't been for then. and if it hadn't been for the printing of money and the bailing banks and the bailing out of banks and the very people who created the credit crunch, we would have gone bust in 2008 and in many ways, the ills that we're now experiencing in our economy can be traced back to the breaking
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of capitalism, back in 2008. and that was all under light touch. no, peter, light touch regulation of the banks by gordon brown . he used to say gordon brown. he used to say light touch regulation. that's what they said. well and you remember liam burns. nice little note. remember liam burns. nice little nete. tnene-e— remember liam burns. nice little note. there's i'm— remember liam burns. nice little note. there's i'm afraid- nice little note. there's i'm afraid there's note. there's i'm afraid there's no money— note. there's i'm afraid there's no money tent.— note. there's i'm afraid there's no money left. that's how they tent— no money left. that's how they tett n,— no money left. that's how they left it, didn't— no money left. that's how they left it, didn't it? _ no money left. that's how they left it, didn't it? if— no money left. that's how they left it, didn't it? �*" left it, didn't it? if you've got— left it, didn't it? if you've not te— left it, didn't it? if you've got to debate the events of 15 years ago, there was a global financial crisis. the labour government did not bring down lehman if lehman brothers, which was, if you the canary in the coal you like, the canary in the coal mine. and we know covid was devastating. that generated a global health and financial crisis and people on the right didn't like this phrase global crisis in 2008. well, because then we've had another global crisis people have to accept crisis and people have to accept that it existed. no but listen, politicians can't absorb themselves responsibility themselves of all responsibility when affects when something outside affects our they have our internal politics, they have to take responsibility for the decisions they're made based on the things happening . the things that are happening. and in politics, a lot and i think in politics, a lot of and i think in politics, a lot et tnet— and i think in politics, a lot et tnet eeee— and i think in politics, a lot of that goes on— and i think in politics, a lot of that goes on when they messed up, of that goes on when they messed np, tnew— of that goes on when they messed np, tnew eeet— of that goes on when they messed np, tnew eeet np— of that goes on when they messed up, they messed up quantitative eeetne.— up, they messed up quantitative eeetne-tee- up, they messed up quantitative easing.-too much- up, they messed up quantitative
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easing. too much money easing. there was too much money eentne— easing. there was too much money tonne-tn— easing. there was too much money eentne-t-n etett- easing. there was too much money coming-i'm afraid that's. coming in. and i'm afraid that's not a government decision. so qe is bank of england g t:ti;ti tit" so qe is bank of england decision. is a bank of england decision. thev're— is a bank of england decision. they're eu— is a bank of england decision. they're all-together. i they're all working together. oh, peter. qe took oh, come on, peter. qe took pteee— oh, come on, peter. qe took pteee-tn— oh, come on, peter. qe took place-in glove.- oh, come on, peter. qe took place in glove. government place hand in glove. government tent—tett- place hand in glove. governmenti bank _talk about bank of england. they talk about the independence— bank of england. they talk about the independence of the bank of tngtent. — the independence of the bank of tngtent. -pennt— england. every pound of government— england. every pound of government issued government debt that was issued in government debt that was issued tn-ttnenetet— government debt that was issued in-financial crash- government debt that was issued in financial crash or in the great financial crash or wnetexen— in the great financial crash or whatever—was- whatever they call it, was potent— whatever they call it, was tengntltne — whatever they call it, was bought-the-of. whatever they call it, was- bought.the-of england. bought by the bank of england. and bought by the bank of england. nnt-tett— bought by the bank of england. and .talk about— bought by the bank of england. and-talk about it- bought by the bank of england. and talk about it as being and you talk about it as being a global— and you talk about it as being a gtepet eee-n— and you talk about it as being a global crash. it— and you talk about it as being a global crash. it was a global eeen— global crash. it was a global crash created— global crash. it was a global crash created largely the crash created largely by the nnttet— crash created largely by the united kingdom the us. so united kingdom and the us. so you-vou— united kingdom and the us. so wen-wen ten-t— united kingdom and the us. so you you can't wash. gordon united kingdom and the us. so you hands u can't wash. gordon united kingdom and the us. so you hands of:an't wash. gordon united kingdom and the us. so you hands of this wash. gordon united kingdom and the us. so you hands of this ofish. gordon united kingdom and the us. so you hands of this of course 'don united kingdom and the us. so you hands of this of course itin hans hands of this of course it global— hans hands of this of course it was global because we are etgnttteent— was global because we are significant contributors to the global— significant contributors to the global economy— significant contributors to the global economy and the global ttnenetet— global economy and the global financial system.— global economy and the global financial system. what the uk teee— financial system. what the uk does matters— financial system. what the uk does matters .— financial system. what the uk does matters . and gordon brown does matters. and gordon brown -weeente et— does matters. and gordon brown was-centre of the- was at the centre of the eeettn— was at the centre of the creation .those - was at the centre of the creation those problems. they creation of those problems. they newe— creation of those problems. they have-responsibility- creation of those problems. they have responsibility for have to take responsibility for it have to take responsibility for t ent— have to take responsibility for t ent tnew— have to take responsibility for it and they broke— have to take responsibility for it and they broke capitalism. tnet-e— it and they broke capitalism. that's happened in 2008. that's what happened in 2008. the— that's what happened in 2008. the pnteee— that's what happened in 2008. this phrase broke. capitalism is eteee— this phrase broke. capitalism is close to meaningless. this phrase broke. capitalism is close to meaningless . and ben close to meaningless. and ben no, it's not meaningless. it's not meaningless, calm and reasonable. i can see he's reasonable. but i can see he's getting very exercised and upset about there was a fact. about this. there was a fact. well, it's the first time well, ben, it's the first time i've you shout at me. i've heard you shout at me. you're very calm you're always very calm and friendly. shouting.
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friendly. i wasn't shouting. sorry. me. i wasn't sorry. forgive me. i wasn't shouting. problem. no shouting. no problem. no problem. he wasn't. d to no problem. he wasn't. there was a global— problem. he wasn't. there was a global financial— problem. he wasn't. there was a global financial crisis. if you teet— global financial crisis. if you read-brown's- read gordon brown's book, i tntnt— read gordon brown's book, i tntnt ntn— read gordon brown's book, i think him-balls- read gordon brown's book, i think him balls accept think him and balls accept tenttne— think him and balls accept banking regulation britain banking regulation in britain enentt— banking regulation in britain should have— banking regulation in britain should have been tighter. but we are where -should - should have been tighter. but we are where should britain are where we are. should britain newe— are where we are. should britain newe tetee— are where we are. should britain have bailed out— are where we are. should britain have bailed out the banks or enentt— have bailed out the banks or should britain— have bailed out the banks or should britain have let let tettteet— should britain have let let natwest and— should britain have let let natwest and rbs shut down the consequence of— natwest and rbs shut down the consequence of that would have teen— consequence of that would have teen e— consequence of that would have been a disaster— consequence of that would have been a disaster if— consequence of that would have been a disaster if rbs would eteee — been a disaster if rbs would eteee tett— been a disaster if rbs would close. well, it's— been a disaster if rbs would close. well, it's not really wettet— close. well, it's not really worked out— close. well, it's not really worked out well as the british eeenenw— worked out well as the british economy going— worked out well as the british economy going well. e economy going well. it's not tt-e— economy going well. it's not tt-e net— economy going well. it's not it's not worked out well, and that's what said. well, what that's what i said. well, what what that's what i said. well, what wnet te— that's what i said. well, what wnet to you— that's what i said. well, what what do you mean— that's what i said. well, what what do you mean by- t: well, what what do you mean by that? e what do you mean by that? it's not weeken— what do you mean by that? it's not worked out— what do you mean by that? it's not worked out well. _ what do you mean by that? it's not worked out well. well, it hasn't. look where are now. hasn't. look where we are now. and banks seem to be taking and the banks seem to be taking advantage situation once advantage of the situation once again. rates are again. when interest rates are going up, they're passing it going up, they're not passing it on savers. but we will on to the savers. but we will talk nothing talk about that. that's nothing to bailout, though, to do with the bailout, though, is it? that is on the way? well, you're talking about the banks, so in and talking so i'm coming in and talking about but that's on about that. but that's what's on the more the way. stay tuned. loads more to come. you just tuned in. joining ben habib joining me, ben habib and also peter saint peter edwards on the way. saint paups paul's cathedral dubbed britain's winston britain's wartime leader winston churchill, a white supremacist
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you're listening to gb news radio . good afternoon radio. good afternoon. it's 26 minutes after 3:00.— radio. good afternoon. it's 26 minutes after 3:00. this- minutes after 3:00. this is gb tewe. — minutes after 3:00. this is gb tewe. tie— minutes after 3:00. this is gb tewe. tte ee— minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the— minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's cnennet— news. we are the people's channel. i'm— news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now, tetee— channel. i'm nana akua. now, tetete tne— channel. i'm nana akua. now, before the break,— channel. i'm nana akua. now, before the break, we were tteeneetne— before the break, we were discussing the _ before the break, we were discussing the end of the weenete— discussing the end of the wagner's group insurrection in tneete— wagner's group insurrection in tneete-newe— wagner's group insurrection in tneete-neve e- wagner's group insurrection in russia. have a quick look russia. let's have a quick look at russia. let's have a quick look et-wen-te— russia. let's have a quick look et-wen-we teen- russia. let's have a quick look at you've been saying. at what you've been saying. snttew— at what you've been saying. shirley eewe— at what you've been saying. shirley says this— at what you've been saying. shirley says this was no insurrection.— shirley says this was no insurrection. to insurrection. it was planned to mete—peepte- insurrection. it was planned to. make—people believe make the russian people believe that make the russian people believe tnet-nee— make the russian people believe that-has total— make the russian people believe that has total control that putin has total control and power— that putin has total control and power-wtnntne- that putin has total control and power winning the war. power and is winning the war. cen— power and is winning the war. cen vou— power and is winning the war. can you honestly— power and is winning the war. can you honestly see putin etenttne—tel can you honestly see putini granting—to the granting an amnesty to the teetete— granting an amnesty to the leaders wagner group? i'm leaders of the wagner group? i'm wttn— leaders of the wagner group? i'm wttn-ne-e— leaders of the wagner group? i'm wttn-ne-e net.— leaders of the wagner group? i'm with he's not. seriously, with you. he's not. seriously, vou— with you. he's not. seriously, wen—eenenel with you. he's not. seriously, weneenen—e ,i you must if this is serious, tnen— you must if this is serious, tnen ne-e— you must if this is serious, then he's dead— you must if this is serious, then he's dead meat. because tnttn— then he's dead meat. because tnttn. t— then he's dead meat. because tnttn. t eent— then he's dead meat. because putin. i can't imagine that he went— putin. i can't imagine that he went ettew— putin. i can't imagine that he would allow this— putin. i can't imagine that he would allow this guy to carry on ttwng. — would allow this guy to carry on ttwng. anne— would allow this guy to carry on living. anna says.— would allow this guy to carry on living. anna says. i— would allow this guy to carry on living. anna says. i think pntttne— living. anna says. i think pntttng tne— living. anna says. i think putting the wagner group's teeter— putting the wagner group's teeter tn— putting the wagner group's leader in belarus just the leader in belarus is just the teteet— leader in belarus is just the teteet nee— leader in belarus is just the latest ruse from _ leader in belarus is just the latest ruse from putin. they'll ptetettw— latest ruse from putin. they'll ptetettw-twtw- latest ruse from putin. they'll probably kyiv from there. probably attack kyiv from there. tten— probably attack kyiv from there. tten eewe— probably attack kyiv from there. tten eewe .— probably attack kyiv from there. tten eewe . nee— probably attack kyiv from there. alan says . has anyone thought alan says. has anyone thought tnet— alan says. has anyone thought we tne— alan says. has anyone thought
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that the last— alan says. has anyone thought that the last 24— alan says. has anyone thought that the last 24 to 36 hours newe— that the last 24 to 36 hours newe teen— that the last 24 to 36 hours have been an— that the last 24 to 36 hours have been an attempt to deceive? strew— have been an attempt to deceive? snnetw tne— have been an attempt to deceive? surely the wagner— have been an attempt to deceive? surely the wagner forces are going— surely the wagner forces are gene-eene— surely the wagner forces are going-come-into. surely the wagner forces are going come into ukraine going to come down into ukraine tren— going to come down into ukraine ten-e— going to come down into ukraine ten-e tee.— going to come down into ukraine from ? yes. interesting. from belarus? yes. interesting. nnt— from belarus? yes. interesting. tnt eetnettw— from belarus? yes. interesting. and actually yesterday they we enentt — and actually yesterday they we enentt newe— and actually yesterday they we should have really been talking etett— should have really been talking etent tne— should have really been talking about the armed— should have really been talking about the armed forces, our own etnet— about the armed forces, our own etneeeenet-te- armed forces, because, of course,-armed- armed forces, because, of course,-armed day. course, it was armed forces day. nnt—tteten- course, it was armed forces day. tnt—tteten en- but heigh. well, listen, on tntew— but heigh. well, listen, on friday, britain— but heigh. well, listen, on friday, britain marks seven weete— friday, britain marks seven weete enee— friday, britain marks seven years since voting to leave the tt. — years since voting to leave the tt. newewet— years since voting to leave the eu. however, despite seven years newne— eu. however, despite seven years newne-etnee— eu. however, despite seven years having-since the- eu. however, despite seven years having since the historic having passed since the historic vete— having passed since the historic vote t— having passed since the historic tete , tne— having passed since the historic vote , the country— having passed since the historic vote , the country still remains vote, the country still remains teeptw— vote, the country still remains deeply ttwtet— vote, the country still remains deeply divided over brexit. now ment— deeply divided over brexit. now many peepte— deeply divided over brexit. now many people pinning the blame of tntetn-e— many people pinning the blame of britain's current— many people pinning the blame of britain's current economic woes on britain's current economic woes en te— britain's current economic woes en tte extt— britain's current economic woes en tte extt ten — britain's current economic woes on its exit from the— britain's current economic woes on its exit from the eu , whereas on its exit from the eu, whereas etnete— on its exit from the eu, whereas etnene eet— on its exit from the eu, whereas etnene eet e— on its exit from the eu, whereas others say a combination of the pentente— others say a combination of the pentente ent— others say a combination of the pandemic and russia's invasion of pandemic and russia's invasion et ttnetne— pandemic and russia's invasion et ttnetne ee— pandemic and russia's invasion of ukraine are the— pandemic and russia's invasion of ukraine are the real entpnte. — of ukraine are the real culprits. but- of ukraine are the real culprits. but is the uk better off culprits. but is the uk better ett enee— culprits. but is the uk better off since leaving— culprits. but is the uk better off since leaving the eu? i'm going— off since leaving the eu? i'm going te— off since leaving the eu? i'm going to etett— off since leaving the eu? i'm going to start with you, peter ttwette— going to start with you, peter ttwette te— going to start with you, peter edwards no, and— going to start with you, peter edwards no, and i know this show is edwards no, and i know this show te etett— edwards no, and i know this show is about opinions,— edwards no, and i know this show is about opinions, but there are tntnge— is about opinions, but there are some things that— is about opinions, but there are some things that are just facts. tte— some things that are just facts. the independent— some things that are just facts. the independent office- some things that are just facts. the independent office for- the independent office for budget responsibility the budget responsibility said the economy than it economy is 4% smaller than it would have been would otherwise have been because brexit. now the because of brexit. now the people who supported brexit i have no problem with you know, there was just as well there was a vote and remain has lost, but
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it seemed to be a split into two tribes. one group of brexiteers is saying brexit has been a success. everything is going fine and our best are ahead fine and our best days are ahead of and then there's another of us. and then there's another group still group of people who still support leave but say it's not being properly and what we being done properly and what we need more brexit, need is more brexit, not a watered down brexit. and brexit has never been tried. and let's do it properly. and there's a great irony to me there because that was defence used that was the defence used by leninists and trotskyists to say, communists, say say, oh, communists, people say communism didn't work. it's only because done it because we haven't done it properly. brexit, brexit properly. to me, brexit, brexit has been a failure, but it's happened and we just have to make the best of it and grow from where we are. but the economy is smaller. okay, well, a lot of economy is smaller. okay, well, e tet et peepte— economy is smaller. okay, well, a lot of people don't— a lot of people don't necessarily- a lot of people don't necessarily judge better off by just necessarily judge better off by tet-tnt— necessarily judge better off by tnet-tnt. — necessarily judge better off by just-but. well,- necessarily judge better off by just-but. well, i- necessarily judge better off by. just-but. well, i mean, just money, but. well, i mean, that's i'm afraid. that's utter tripe, i'm afraid. peter accused of shouting peter accused me of shouting him in this in the first half of this program. yet shout at him. program. i may yet shout at him. that was the obe came out with that prediction, by the way , a that prediction, by the way, a prediction on which they put no time limit back in 2021 when we were still basically locked
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down. they said as a result of brexit, the economy would shrink by 4. now no one knows when that 4% shrinkage was due to take place , but on the single most place, but on the single most important parameter , which is important parameter, which is the trade between the united kingdom and europe actually in 2022, which is the first full year of trade unaffected by lockdown since we left the eu trade with europe was up 13, 13% increase in british exports to the eu and a similar increase in imports as a result, we ran exactly the same deficit that we pretty much always run with the eu before we exited . it made not eu before we exited. it made not a darn bit of difference to trade at, and some of that increase may have been inflation, but the complexion of the trade was the same as before we left the eu. so the notion that our economy is going to shnnk that our economy is going to shrink as a result of brexit is a false one. but what we haven't
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done as a country is take advantage of all the opportunities brexit would have given us. if we'd done that, we wouldn't have the trade deficit with the eu that we still have if we'd actually properly broken those apron strings instead of tying ourselves in knots over a trade and co—operation agreement that establishes a level playing field on state aid, competition, employment and crucially, environmental laws where we've hamstrung with regulations and extra costs in the uk. if we hadnt extra costs in the uk. if we hadn't done that, we'd be able to deregulate late, we'd be able to deregulate late, we'd be able to cut taxes and we'd be able to make the united kingdom an independent, nimble trading country , which is where its country, which is where its history and heritage is and which is where we need to return. we need to promote british interests ahead of international ones. and i'm afraid brexit hasn't been done properly and we know that because northern ireland just about to ask you, what about
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northern ireland? because northern ireland? because northern ireland, which is part of the united kingdom, has been left behind until northern ireland is reunited with great britain. no one can claim brexit has been done . but but that's has been done. but but that's the has been done. but but that's tne pntten— has been done. but but that's tne pretten ,— has been done. but but that's the problem , isn't— has been done. but but that's the problem , isn't it?- i : but but that's the problem , isn't it? how are the problem, isn't it? how are tnet— the problem, isn't it? how are tnew going— the problem, isn't it? how are tnew going te— the problem, isn't it? how are they going to do_ the problem, isn't it? how are they going to do that? e they going to do that? it's easy as they going to do that? it's easy ee pte— they going to do that? it's easy ee pte tene— they going to do that? it's easy as pie nana what we need is political will to tell the those who would threaten the united kingdom with violence if we don't put the border where it should be, which is between the repubuc should be, which is between the republic northern ireland, republic and northern ireland, which is where the good friday agreement recognised as the border to be, where every international institution recognises the border to be. if we don't put if we don't have the courage to put customs controls there, which is where they should be, of course they should be, then of course we can't get over this, but all it requires is a bit of political will in our leaders . political will in our leaders. are saying a physical political will in our leaders. i are-saying a physical border are you saying a physical border tetween— are you saying a physical border between southern _ are you saying a physical border between southern and northern? no between southern and northern? tte-te— between southern and northern? te-te ne— between southern and northern? te-te no me- between southern and northern? no be no more physical no it has to be no more physical tnen— no it has to be no more physical tnen tne— no it has to be no more physical than the border— no it has to be no more physical than the border between great tntetn— than the border between great tntetn ent— than the border between great britain and northern ireland, wnten— britain and northern ireland, wnten eee— britain and northern ireland, which seems to— britain and northern ireland, which seems to be acceptable to our which seems to be acceptable to petttteet— which seems to be acceptable to our political class. _
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which seems to be acceptable to our political class. so why eent— our political class. so why een-t we— our political class. so why een-t we no — our political class. so why can't we do the same legitimately on the island of ireland? peter well, if it was that easy, i've got great. it is that easy, i've got great. it is that easy. it is that easy, he said. it's easy. chill out. no, ten-t— said. it's easy. chill out. no, ten-t te— said. it's easy. chill out. no, no, don't do that.— t: e chill out. no, no, don't do that. don't do tnet— no, don't do that. don't do tnet. — no, don't do that. don't do tnet. te— no, don't do that. don't do that. is that— no, don't do that. don't do that. is that easy?- no, don't do that. don't do that. , “ti“ that. is that easy? then why would it have kind of shuffled beyond the grasp of the five prime ministers we've had? well, you the you haven't answered the question. you're answering it wttn— question. you're answering it withlquestion._ question. you're answering it withlquestion..give- : you're answering it with question. give a bit with a question. so give a bit note-tnet— with a question. so give a bit note-tnetlt— with a question. so give a bit. more -that.i-think with a question. so give a bit- more -that.i-think it more than that. i don't think it is that easy. i completely accept. it's an incredibly knotty problem. it's not. i think people in northern ireland are economically a are suffering economically as a result, read, and result, from what i've read, and just bobs from think just bits and bobs from think tanks, it seems to be if there's any we make trade any way we can make trade mainland to northern ireland, then northern ireland to eu easier and harmonise it seems like it's going to be technological solutions because the classic complaint you've had it from small it on your show from small businesses is i used to have ten forms. i have 100 forms for forms. now i have 100 forms for whatever into whatever i'm selling into northern well let's northern ireland. well let's hope can get on with it. hope they can get on with it. and if is political will and if there is political will ent— and if there is political will ent tnete-e— and if there is political will and there's those those forces tnet—twtne- and there's those those forces tnet—twtne te- that seem to be trying to eenppet—
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brexit, mark says brexit was an eppennnttw— brexit, mark says brexit was an eppennnttt te— brexit, mark says brexit was an opportunity to make britain the teeter— opportunity to make britain the teeter et— opportunity to make britain the leader of the _ opportunity to make britain the leader of the western world. we eentt— leader of the western world. we could—exploited- leader of the western world. we could exploited more could have made exploited more oil could have made exploited more et ent— could have made exploited more et ent-tntt— could have made exploited more oil and-built up— could have made exploited more oil and built up the oil and gas, built up the ntttert— oil and gas, built up the military, lowered taxes, refreshed _ military, lowered taxes, refreshed -, l military, lowered taxes,- refreshed -, created refreshed industries, created more entrepreneurs and eentrettet— more entrepreneurs and controlled our borders, failed , controlled our borders, failed, tetee,— controlled our borders, failed, failed, failed,— controlled our borders, failed, failed, failed, failed, failed on failed, failed, failed, failed en et— failed, failed, failed, failed on ett et— failed, failed, failed, failed on all of those. _ failed, failed, failed, failed on all of those. it's failed due to on all of those. it's failed due te-pettteet— on all of those. it's failed due to-political class- on all of those. it's failed due to political class and the to the political class and the ant— to the political class and the civil service. _ to the political class and the civil service. i— to the political class and the civil service. i would agree wttn—trett- civil service. i would agree with _well, let's| with you. right. well, let's move i because - with you. right. well, let's move because is an move on because this is an tntereettnt— move on because this is an interesting because interesting story, because reent— interesting story, because rerent tnnt— interesting story, because jeremy hunt actually called jeremy hunt has actually called on jeremy hunt has actually called ten-te— jeremy hunt has actually called en-te tetee— jeremy hunt has actually called on-to raise interest- jeremy hunt has actually called on to raise interest rates on banks to raise interest rates to tn— on banks to raise interest rates to savers in order— on banks to raise interest rates to savers in order to the to savers in order to offset the tnenetet— to savers in order to offset the financial pain— to savers in order to offset the financial pain that many are teetnt— financial pain that many are teetnt ee— financial pain that many are teetnt ee e— financial pain that many are feeling as a result of the rising— feeling as a result of the rising mortgage now, the rising mortgage bills. now, the cneneetter— rising mortgage bills. now, the chancellor-said— rising mortgage bills. now, the. chancellor-said-made chancellor has said that he made it chancellor has said that he made tt-te— chancellor has said that he made tt-te-teeeee- chancellor has said that he made it-to-bosses that. it clear to banking bosses that savers need-be— it clear to banking bosses that savers need be getting a fair savers need to be getting a fair teet— savers need to be getting a fair teet wnet— savers need to be getting a fair teet wnen ne— savers need to be getting a fair deal when he -on- savers need to be getting a fair. deal when he -on friday. deal when he met them on friday. of deal when he met them on friday. or eenree— deal when he met them on friday. or tnte— deal when he met them on friday. of course, this-after— deal when he met them on friday. of course, this after he put of course, this is after he put terwert— of course, this is after he put terwert tte— of course, this is after he put forward his plan.— of course, this is after he put forward his plan. you'd expect tn— forward his plan. you'd expect ntn te— forward his plan. you'd expect ntn te eene— forward his plan. you'd expect him to come up— forward his plan. you'd expect him to come up with that before tnet— him to come up with that before tnet, ent— him to come up with that before that, and that— him to come up with that before that, and that should be part of the that, and that should be part of tne pten— that, and that should be part of tne pten. tnt— that, and that should be part of the plan. and many people are tttttw— the plan. and many people are rightly—interestl rightly frustrated that interest on rightly frustrated that interest en-eewnte— rightly frustrated that interest en-eewnte te— rightly frustrated that interest on savings is not rising on their savings is not rising as on their savings is not rising ee—tntereet- on their savings is not rising as_interest on. on their savings is not rising. as_interest on their as fast as the interest on their nettete—eentti mortgage payments. so could this be mortgage payments. so could this te tne— mortgage payments. so could this te tne eettne— mortgage payments. so could this be the saving grace— mortgage payments. so could this be the saving grace that many of us be the saving grace that many of ne neet— be the saving grace that many of ne neet tent— be the saving grace that many of us need right now?— be the saving grace that many of us need right now? right so to tteenee— us need right now? right so to tteenee tet-e— us need right now? right so to discuss, let's go— us need right now? right so to discuss, let's go straight to my neet—
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discuss, let's go straight to my neet te— discuss, let's go straight to my neet te neet— discuss, let's go straight to my head to head is— discuss, let's go straight to my head to head is i'm going to etett— head to head is i'm going to etert wttn— head to head is i'm going to start with you,— head to head is i'm going to start with you, ben obe, because wen-re— start with you, ben obe, because wen-re e— start with you, ben obe, because wne e et— start with you, ben obe, because you're a man of the— start with you, ben obe, because you're a man of the money. you knew— you're a man of the money. you knew-etett— you're a man of the money. you know-about it.— you're a man of the money. you know about it. okay. so know a lot about it. okay. so wnet— know a lot about it. okay. so wnet tt— know a lot about it. okay. so what did-make- know a lot about it. okay. so what did make the hike in what did you make of the hike in the what did you make of the hike in tne-tetee— what did you make of the hike in the-rates, first- what did you make of the hike in the-rates, first of- the interest rates, first of alb— the interest rates, first of ettltne— the interest rates, first of- all,.the-england? i all, by the bank of england? i mean, two comments- all, by the bank of england? i mean, two comments to- all, by the bank of england? i mean, two comments to make. the first is that interest first is that raising interest rates to really have rates isn't going to really have a direct impact on the kind of inflation we've got . what we've inflation we've got. what we've got supply side inflation got is supply side inflation created by lockdowns. when we lock the economy down, we broke supply chains, we broke the labour market when we unlocked that the demand that naturally came back into the economy couldn't be accommodated by the supply side. when you raise interest rates, what you do is dampen demand. you don't assist on the supply side . and i think on the supply side. and i think a lot of the reasons we've raised interest rates is not really to control inflation coming from supply side broken down labour market and supply chains . we're doing it to keep chains. we're doing it to keep in touch with us interest rates because as the fed raises rates, if we don't raise rates , we'll
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if we don't raise rates, we'll see pound collapse and that would be a real problem for inflation. so i think a lot of what we're doing is a response to that. but of course if you do want to dampen demand in the economy as interest rates go up, you have to increase deposit rates because what you want people to do is to stop spending, stop borrowing . so you spending, stop borrowing. so you mean saving rates when- “g “3 so you mean saving rates when you say tepeette — mean saving rates when you say tepeette teen.— mean saving rates when you say deposit? yeah, saving- mean saving rates when you say deposit? / “g deposit? yeah, saving rates, you've got to increase the rates payable on savings because you want to encourage people to stop spending, borrowing, stop spending, stop borrowing, stop spending, stop borrowing, stop spending to deposit their spending and to deposit their money instead in banks. so that you take heat out of the economy. and if you don't raise deposit rates, you're only moving with one arm in your monetary policy. and what's really interesting to me as well is that these interest rate increases are not being transmitted into the economy at the speed which historically they would have been done. and that's because people are mostly fixing their interest rates on their mortgages is so it's these
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interest rate rises at the bank of england is absolutely committed to i think it's done 14 interest rate rises in the last year. we haven't felt their full effect and people aren't going to feel their full effect until their mortgage fixed interest rates come up doesn't really work because it's a stagnating effect, isn't it? so maybe , maybe 5% of : “t: ti;�*"�*"ti;ti.e e e?’ so maybe , maybe 5% of people who maybe, maybe 5% of people who newe— maybe, maybe 5% of people who nexe nettetee— maybe, maybe 5% of people who have mortgages will feel the etett— have mortgages will feel the erect. se— have mortgages will feel the effect. so the— have mortgages will feel the effect. so the remainder won't. tnt— effect. so the remainder won't. tnt tnet— effect. so the remainder won't. tnt tnen e— effect. so the remainder won't. and then a couple— effect. so the remainder won't. and then a couple years and then a couple of years enetner— and then a couple of years another—think. and then a couple of yearsi another—think by and then a couple of years- another_think by the another five. and i think by the tne— another five. and i think by the ttne tnew— another five. and i think by the ttne tnew teet— another five. and i think by the time they feel it,— another five. and i think by the time they feel it, i— another five. and i think by the time they feel it, i think by tne— time they feel it, i think by tne tne— time they feel it, i think by the time down— time they feel it, i think by the time down it's going to be teet— the time down it's going to be tett-wett-twi back down to, well, i think by tne— back down to, well, i think by tne-teet— back down to, well, i think by tne-teet n,- back down to, well, i think by the -feel it, he- back down to, well, i think by the feel it, he would the time they feel it, he would newe— the time they feel it, he would tne-tne— the time they feel it, he would have -the economy - the time they feel it, he would have the economy because have killed the economy because i have killed the economy because t teet— have killed the economy because t teer wnet— have killed the economy because i fear what he's— have killed the economy because i fear what he's-is- have killed the economy because i fear what he's is going have killed the economy because i fear whta he's is going have killed the economy because i fear whta real is going have killed the economy because i fear whta real recession. ing to create a real recession. terennw— to create a real recession. terentw tnnt— to create a real recession. jeremy hunt seems- to create a real recession. jeremy hunt seems to welcome it. he said, i welcome a recession if what's with if that's what's wrong with him. i absolutely. well, that's i mean, absolutely. well, that's teenee— i mean, absolutely. well, that's because absolute because he's rich. absolute lunatic, comment lunatic, lunatic. comment but i fear to end in fear we're going to end up in a recession. and think if we're recession. and i think if we're not people will not careful, people will then once they're fixed, interest not careful, people will then once expire fixed, interest not careful, people will then once expire ,fixed, interest not careful, people will then once expire , defaultterest not careful, people will then once expire , default ontst not careful, people will then once expire , default on their rates expire, default on their mortgages, create mortgages, and we could create a banking i think we're banking problem. i think we're in very position. in a very difficult position. the bank of england, i think, was slow raise rates. i was very slow to raise rates. i think over raising them think it's over raising them now. we need a new formula and
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actually formula , i'm actually that new formula, i'm afraid as much as people don't like hearing, it involves cutting taxes, raising the tax threshold for those who are on the lowest earnings and actually getting more money into people's pockets. well, isn't it like twtnt— pockets. well, isn't it like giving someone- i well, isn't it like giving someone the same medicine for giving someone the same medicine ter t— giving someone the same medicine ter t weeree— giving someone the same medicine ter t weeree tte— giving someone the same medicine for 13 years? it's still— giving someone the same medicine for 13 years? it's still not werttnt — for 13 years? it's still not working. you— for 13 years? it's still not working. you give them a bit ptzze. — working. you give them a bit more pizza. yeah,- working. you give them a bit more pizza. t/tiuit“ more pizza. yeah, well, the medicine's been changed, i think, as ben's comments alluded to, baird and to, because vera baird and i probably different probably have totally different perspectives and perspectives on the economy and how should kind of how it should be run. we kind of ended in the same place, ended up in the same place, which the chancellor looks which is the chancellor looks relatively this relatively impotent at this point bank of point in time. and the bank of england, an inflation england, which has an inflation target been slow target of 2, has been very slow to act when inflation at one point hit 10 or 11. so i mean, the bank of england is on a very sticky wicket, but when they've raised rates 13 or 14 times in a row, that shows really that they're rushing from 0 to 60 and now they're the lingo is tightening . they're going to tightening. they're going to carry on tightening all the way until goes into until britain goes into recession , it i mean , i recession, it seems. i mean, i think it's daft to suggest that
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jeremy hunt is relaxed about a recession because he's wealthy, he is wealthy . i would also say he is wealthy. i would also say part of the reason why i would also say he's not going to feel it going to it it is he's not going to feel it like the normal person on the street. he actually said a recession may— he actually said a recession may necessary recession may be necessary and tnet-e—t— recession may be necessary and tnet-e—t tttnt- recession may be necessary and that's—i think we. that's fine. well, i think we may well end up with a recession. i would i think recession. and i would i think it wealthy it is because he's wealthy that he's that, although do he's saying that, although i do think that actually i'm just just challenging point. just challenging the point. you've disclosed my point. i'm eewtnt— you've disclosed my point. i'm eewtnt-t— you've disclosed my point. i'm eewtnt-t tntnt- you've disclosed my point. i'm saying-i think he's. saying that no, i think he's eewtnt— saying that because he's weetttw— saying that because he's wealthy, going wealthy, because he's not going to teet— wealthy, because he's not going to teet rt.— wealthy, because he's not going to teet tt. se— wealthy, because he's not going to feel it. so it's— wealthy, because he's not going to feel it. so it's easy for him to feel it. so it's easy for him to eew— to feel it. so it's easy for him to eew tnet— to feel it. so it's easy for him to say that doesn't really to say that he doesn't really understand. _ to say that he doesn't really. understand. -disagree understand. i would disagree with on all sorts with jeremy hunt on all sorts of things. he really things. and i think he really undermined when he was undermined the nhs when he was health i don't health secretary. but i don't think like i think people like jeremy, i don't really all most don't think really all most anyone in the house of commons goes than goes into politics other than because they want to help the country way another. country in some way or another. and everyone seduced by and everyone gets seduced by power. very seductive, power. power is very seductive, but personalise but i wouldn't personalise it that i think history that much. even i think history is probably going to judge is probably not going to judge jeremy but that jeremy hunt kindly. but that kind back where kind of brings us back to where we like the we started. it feels like the government, chancellor, government, the chancellor, are fairly impotent because they're doing and doing all these measures and i think as well as rishi sunak
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five cover all five pledges which cover all areas society . there was areas of society. there was a few more last week about few more pledges last week about mortgages, but it's too all late. is way too late late. well, it is way too late because not everybody , they're because not everybody, they're not going to feel the benefit of this so—called increase of interest because the interest rates because the people are going people who are going to be paying people who are going to be paying of them are on paying them a lot of them are on fixed mortgages and fixed rate mortgages and thankfully, i fixed a mortgage for five only last for about five years only last year. so gives me least year. so that gives me at least tetr— year. so that gives me at least tent-tnet— year. so that gives me at least tent-tnent-sei four years, thank goodness. so nepetnttw,— four years, thank goodness. so nepetnttw, wen— four years, thank goodness. so hopefully, you know, hopefully four years, thank goodness. so hcwill.lly, you know, hopefully four years, thank goodness. so hcwill. lly, you somebody efully it will. i know somebody who txet— it will. i know somebody who txet-et— it will. i know somebody who fixed at something like fixed the rate at something like 2,-0.— fixed the rate at something like 2,-or something- fixed the rate at something like 2, or something for ten 2, 2.5% or something for ten weete— 2, 2.5% or something for ten weere se— 2, 2.5% or something for ten weere. se t— 2, 2.5% or something for ten years. so i think— 2, 2.5% or something for ten years. so i think their years. so i think that their netnete— years. so i think that their methods they're using are methods that they're using are tnet— methods that they're using are tnetr ett— methods that they're using are their old school— methods that they're using are their old school tactics and it tent— their old school tactics and it tentlnew— their old school tactics and it fight new problem. it's a new fight a new problem. it's a new pretten—te- fight a new problem. it's a new problem. _to work. problem. they need to work out tetter—wnet- problem. they need to work out better—what we. better ways of doing what we neet. — better ways of doing what we need, fundamentally need, what we fundamentally neet. — need, what we fundamentally neet. -ent— need, what we fundamentally need. _anditruss. need, what we fundamentally need. _anditruss it need. nana and liz truss had it right for all the defenestration that the bank of england and others on her short time others imposed on her short time in office, she had it right. she understood. we've got to grow the the only way out of the economy. the only way out of this is growth and the only way you get growth is by deregulating and cutting taxes . deregulating and cutting taxes. that's we can do that's the only way we can do it. peter, do you it. well peter, what do you think government are think a labour government are planning on this? because
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planning to do on this? because keir starmer said— planning to do on this? because keir starmer said a— planning to do on this? because keir starmer said a lot- planning to do on this? because keir starmer said a lot of- keir starmer said a lot of tntnte— keir starmer said a lot of things hasn't— keir starmer said a lot of things hasn't gone back on, a lot things hasn't gone back on, a tetltttnee— things hasn't gone back on, a lot.things,.what's- things hasn't gone back on, a lot things, what's the lot of things, but what's the tetenr— lot of things, but what's the tetenr pten— lot of things, but what's the labour plan this? flittill labour plan on this? well, tetenr— labour plan on this? well, labour calling for labour have been calling for changes. think a five changes. i think they had a five point course we're point plan, but of course we're talking action talking about action now and after general election. the after a general election. so the thing, what is their plan? if you so they wanted from memory thing, what is their plan? if- you so they wanted from memory a nett— you so they wanted from memory a tett—tnew- halt on repossessions. they wentet— halt on repossessions. they wanted flexibility wanted greater flexibility for mortgage hit mortgage holders. so if you hit personal difficulty, personal household difficulty, you products you can switch between products and they want more advice as well it's become a bit well because it's become a bit of an adage of the last couple of an adage of the last couple of years . but we're in this of years. but we're in this generation of ultra low interest rates. people, rates. there might be people, perhaps under of 35 who perhaps under the age of 35 who are borrowers and always are borrowers and have always known rates around 0 or 1 or 2, not the rates we're talking about so i think advice about now. so i think the advice part important as part of it was very important as well. i think to go well. and i think what to go back what jeremy hunt back to what jeremy hunt announced last week, which was kind similar, it wasn't that kind of similar, it wasn't that he announced things the left he announced things and the left thought they wrong thought they were wrong or outrageous. was that he outrageous. it was that he announced things and they may not really have much of an impact because they were priced in or there's a time lag or there were things that banks
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have been pushed already . and have been pushed already. and the kicked off on, the point you kicked off on, which about when the bank of which is about when the bank of england raised what's called which is about when the bank of eng base raised what's called which is about when the bank of eng base rate 'aised what's called which is about when the bank of eng base rate andd what's called which is about when the bank of eng base rate and isvhat's called which is about when the bank of eng base rate and is that; called which is about when the bank of eng base rate and is that passed the base rate and is that passed on to savers? jeremy hunt's not proposing to do anything about that, government proposing to do anything about that,doing government proposing to do anything about that,doing anythingivernment proposing to do anything about that,doing anything aboutient proposing to do anything about that,doing anything about food isn't doing anything about food inflation. they just said , inflation. they just said, please, can pass it please, please, can you pass it on please? cos they're not passing the law. they're talking about it to create the false perception of action, just like they talked having caps on they talked about having caps on food , which really would food prices, which really would be soviet and then backed out from that. so jeremy hunt is similar the similar to what during the banking crash, a similar thing happened there. there was no price so really would price cap. so that really would be 17th. but the fact is, be the 17th. but the fact is, tne— be the 17th. but the fact is, tne tetenr— be the 17th. but the fact is, the labour party— �* but the fact is, the labour party didn't do a tetw— the labour party didn't do a xerw teet— the labour party didn't do a xerw good tet— the labour party didn't do a xerw good tet et— the labour party didn't do a very good job of talking the very good job of talking to the tente—ente- very good job of talking to the banks—sure that. banks and making sure that tetee— banks and making sure that tetere—ettl banks and making sure that- before_all these before they were given all these tenette—ent- before they were given all these benefits—out by- before they were given all these benefits out by the benefits and bailed out by the texpewer— benefits and bailed out by the texpewer-tnew— benefits and bailed out by the taxpayer they some taxpayer that they had some otter—nee. - taxpayer that they had some other—here. for| other things for us here. for tett— other things for us here. for us. well, briefly,— other things for us here. for us. well, briefly, say us. well, briefly, may i say tetw— us. well, briefly, may i sayi very _ prevented very briefly, they prevented a recession turning into a tepreeeten— recession turning into a depression, that is how depression, and that is how i went— depression, and that is how i would-gordon- depression, and that is how i would gordon brown that would defend gordon brown that at would defend gordon brown that et—tnew- would defend gordon brown that et—tnew tt- at all. i don't think they did tnet— at all. i don't think they did tnetlett — at all. i don't think they did that-all. ithink- at all. i don't think they did that all. think what that at all. i think that what tnew— that at all. i think that what tnew tt— that at all. i think that what tnew ttt wee— that at all. i think that what they did was leave us, the texpewet— they did was leave us, the taxpayetlpick- they did was leave us, the taxpayer, pick up the tab for taxpayer, to pick up the tab for the taxpayer, to pick up the tab for tne tente— taxpayer, to pick up the tab for
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the banks-are— taxpayer, to pick up the tab for the banks-are now- taxpayer, to pick up the tab for the banks are now punishing the banks who are now punishing us the banks who are now punishing ne—tet-e— the banks who are now punishing ne—tet-e eee- us once again. but let's see wnet— us once again. but let's see what-thoughts- us once again. but let's see what thoughts are. keep what your thoughts are. keep tnen — what your thoughts are. keep- them - vaiews@gbnews.com them coming. vaiews@gbnews.com or them coming. vaiews@gbnews.com er-et— them coming. vaiews@gbnews.com er-et et— them coming. vaiews@gbnews.com er-et et tewe— them coming. vaiews@gbnews.com or-at gb news. it's- or tweet me at gb news. it's tnet— or tweet me at gb news. it's tnet eentnt— or tweet me at gb news. it's tnet eentnt np— or tweet me at gb news. it's just coming up to— or tweet me at gb news. it's just coming up to 49 minutes etter— just coming up to 49 minutes etter etee.— just coming up to 49 minutes after 3:00. i've— just coming up to 49 minutes after 3:00. i've got my nenetetne— after 3:00. i've got my monologue on the way, which wett— monologue on the way, which we-tt te— monologue on the way, which we'll be talking— we'll be talking about immigration- we'll be talking about immigration but final immigration. but the final entteet— immigration. but the final entteet ter— immigration. but the final subject for this head to is subject for this head to head is wttn— subject for this head to head is wttn etert— subject for this head to head is wttn retert te— subject for this head to head is with regard to the— subject for this head to head is with regard to the family of wtneten— with regard to the family of winston churchill. we've expreeeet— winston churchill. we've expressed after expressed anger after saint rent-e— expressed anger after saint paul's cathedral described trttetn-e— paul's cathedral described britain's leader as britain's wartime leader as a wntte— britain's wartime leader as a white supremacist and an nneenenet— white supremacist and an unashamed imperialist. now, the etenterene— unashamed imperialist. now, the slanderous description of a man wne— slanderous description of a man wne nee— slanderous description of a man wne nee teen— slanderous description of a man who has been voted as the treeteet— who has been voted as the greatest briton— who has been voted as the greatest briton of all time on tnet— greatest briton of all time on more than one— greatest briton of all time on more than one occasion, repenettw— more than one occasion, reportedly stayed on the cathedral's_ reportedly stayed on the. cathedral's _over cathedral's website for over a weer— cathedral's website for over a weer ent— cathedral's website for over a weer ent wee— cathedral's website for over a year and was only taken down tettewtnt— year and was only taken down tettewtnt e— year and was only taken down following a complaint from a nernter— following a complaint from a nernter et— following a complaint from a member of the— following a complaint from a member of the friends of saint rent-e. — member of the friends of saint rent-e. tow— member of the friends of saint paul's. now churchill's teteet.— paul's. now churchill's grandson, sir- paul's. now churchill's grandson, sir nicholas soames, tenteetet— grandson, sir nicholas soames, lambasted the— grandson, sir nicholas soames, lambasted the description as teeptw— lambasted the description as deeply offensive, thoughtless ent— deeply offensive, thoughtless ent etnptt— deeply offensive, thoughtless and stupid and— deeply offensive, thoughtless and stupid and ignorant, petnttnt— and stupid and ignorant, petnttnt ent— and stupid and ignorant, pointing out that his grandfather had saved england by teettnt— grandfather had saved england by teettnt tne— grandfather had saved england by leading the country's fight etettet— leading the country's fight against hitler.— leading the country's fight against hitler. so is it fair to teeette— against hitler. so is it fair to describe winston churchill as a wntte— describe winston churchill as a white supremacist? peter elle ttwerte— white supremacist? peter elle ttwerte eewe— white supremacist? peter elle edwards says i— white supremacist? peter elle edwards says i would not at all eett— edwards says i would not at all
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eett ntn — edwards says i would not at all eett ntn e— edwards says i would not at all call him a white— edwards says i would not at all call him a white supremacist. i wente— call him a white supremacist. i wentt tw— call him a white supremacist. i wentt trw ent— call him a white supremacist. i would try and defend- call him a white supremacist. i would try and defend saint- would try and defend saint paups would try and defend saint paul's for trying to be modern and inclusive , but i don't think and inclusive, but i don't think they've got it right . and it they've got it right. and it really worshipped saint really and i've worshipped saint paul's, and i think they do a lot fantastic things, but lot of fantastic things, but they got right. and lot of fantastic things, but tithink got right. and lot of fantastic things, but tithink there'sot right. and lot of fantastic things, but tithink there's a right. and lot of fantastic things, but tithink there's a problem t. and lot of fantastic things, but tithink there's a problem inand i think there's a problem in trying impose values of trying to impose the values of now someone who came to now on someone who came to political prominence around 100 years was a soldier years ago and was a soldier before that, more than 100 years ago. churchill is a national hero. but that doesn't stop us from having a nuanced and balanced debate what balanced debate about what he got what he got wrong. got right and what he got wrong. and you if and it's clear that if you if you some of his you look at some of his writings, would use language writings, he would use language about people who aren't white. that would be unacceptable today. but that was language that not unique that was not unique to churchill. reflected the churchill. it reflected the language we language of the 1920s that we wouldn't touch today . i language of the 1920s that we wouldn't touch today. i think white supremacy— wouldn't touch today. i think white supremacy is- wouldn't touch today. i think white supremacy is a- white supremacy is a bit of a tte— white supremacy is a bit of a tt-e en— white supremacy is a bit of a it's an offence. _ white supremacy is a bit of a it's an offence. it's deeply ettenete— it's an offence. it's deeply offensive. he— it's an offence. it's deeply offensive. he did good things as wet.— offensive. he did good things as wet. ven— offensive. he did good things as well. you know,— offensive. he did good things as well. you know, you can't just nett— well. you know, you can't just tett en— well. you know, you can't just tett en tne— well. you know, you can't just hold on the bad. _ well. you know, you can't just hold on the bad. e : hold on the bad. it's deeply offensive and it's designed to undermine our belief. in churchill. been churchill. there's been a sustained attack on british people and their heritage and
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the values we hold and that sustained attack is designed to undermine our self—confidence as a nation. and this attack on churchill is part of it. churchill is part of it. churchill was undoubtedly one of the greatest leaders, the world has ever seen. he didn't just stand up for england as nicholas soames said, he stood up for the world. the united kingdom stood alone against the german aggressor. when russia was on germany's side, before the us joined the war and arguably the us wouldn't have joined the war if it hadn't been for churchill's implications of the us and his close relationship with the us church . paul was with the us church. paul was undoubtedly the shoulders on which the freedom of this country was built and all the freedom , frankly, that people freedom, frankly, that people like whoever wrote that website at saint paul's have in order to attack him. it was through his great leadership. and what he gave this country that he is now being attacked. and i find it abhorrent . and he was he was
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abhorrent. and he was he was white and he was supreme. and i will not allow people to denigrate churchill's standing in the country. and apart from anything else, nana it, whatever churchill was, i agree with peter. he was a man for his time and all people can only be judged by the values of their own time and churchill embody his represents all things good in the united kingdom . and i in the united kingdom. and i will not allow that to be challenged on my watch to the extent that i'm able to challenge, you know, fight it, i will it. and also, what is will fight it. and also, what is a will fight it. and also, what is e entren— will fight it. and also, what is a church doing— will fight it. and also, what is a church doing calling- ii �*" g“ c and also, what is a church doing calling people tte— a church doing calling people names like that— a church doing calling people names like that ? it's not their names like that? it's not their pteee— names like that? it's not their pteee. tte— names like that? it's not their pteee. tt-e net— names like that? it's not their place. it's not the— names like that? it's not their place. it's not the church place to te— place. it's not the church place to te eettne— place. it's not the church place to be calling someone a white enpreneetet— to be calling someone a white supremacist or— to be calling someone a white supremacist or anything. i mean, peter.— supremacist or anything. i mean, peter,_alluded- supremacist or anything. i mean, peter,_alluded to- peter, you sort of alluded to it tnet— peter, you sort of alluded to it tet-were— peter, you sort of alluded to it that-were trying- that they were trying to be neettt— that they were trying to be modern about— that they were trying to be modern about it. so using that terntnetett— modern about it. so using that terminology. but— modern about it. so using that terminology. but language like tnet—tntl that is quite incendiary. and tnet-e— that is quite incendiary. and tnet-e-wnet— that is quite incendiary. and that's-what we- that is quite incendiary. and that's what we expect from that is quite incendiary. and that'sour what we expect from that is quite incendiary. and that'sour what vreally. tct from from our church, really. tentnete— from our church, really. language matters and language is pettteet— language matters and language is pettteet .— language matters and language is pettteet . ee— language matters and language is political , as this— language matters and language is political, as this discussion enwe— political, as this discussion enewe — political, as this discussion enewe se— political, as this discussion enewe se t— political, as this discussion shows. so i you- political, as this discussion shows. : shows. so i you know, i would defend saint paul's, but i think that churchill was an imperialist. a fact. but
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imperialist. that's a fact. but one thing we can agree on, calling him a white supremacist with images of, to be frank , with images of, to be frank, americans waving confederate flags is completely inappropriate. churchill's a product of his time. he was part of empire. he was an imperialist. but but clearly, saint paul's didn't get it right by calling him a white supremacist. but you know, we're all humans. they've accepted it's mistake, mistaken, as i understand it. they've now made changes to the website as well. understand it. they've now made cwas|es to the website as well. understand it. they've now made cwas just) the website as well. understand it. they've now made cwas just reading bsite as well. understand it. they've now made cwas just reading a;ite as well. understand it. they've now made cwas just reading a tweet well. understand it. they've now made cwas just reading a tweet here, i was just reading a tweet here, a i was just reading a tweet here, e tttte— i was just reading a tweet here, a little message— i was just reading a tweet here, a little message dances dinana. i a little message dances dinana. t tte— a little message dances dinana. t tte went— a little message dances dinana. i like your program, but i'm etert.— i like your program, but i'm etrett. my— i like your program, but i'm afraid, my dear,— i like your program, but i'm afraid, my dear, you do not suit tnet— afraid, my dear, you do not suit tnet ttente— afraid, my dear, you do not suit that blonde hair— afraid, my dear, you do not suit that blonde hair looks much nicer.-black. _ that blonde hair looks much nicer. black. thanks was nicer. all black. thanks i was tntnttnt— nicer. all black. thanks i was thinking-that. - nicer. all black. thanks i was thinking that. actually. thinking about that. actually. it's thinking about that. actually.- tt-e—tnet-e it's because it's summer. that's why— it's because it's summer. that's wnw—tt-e- it's because it's summer. that's wnw—tt-e tnetl why i've changed it. it's just. tte— why i've changed it. it's just. tte-t— why i've changed it. it's just. tte-t wee— why i've changed it. it's just. it's-i was looking- why i've changed it. it's just. it's i was looking at, it's just as i was looking at, i enttentw— it's just as i was looking at, i suddenly thought, oh, mine's trewer. — suddenly thought, oh, mine's trewer. .weet- suddenly thought, oh, mine's greyer. suddenly thought, oh, mine's- greyer. .week, month blonde. greyer. this week, month blonde. yes . well, have a greyer. this week, month blonde. yes . well,-have a look.- yes. well, let's have a look. teee— yes. well, let's have a look. teeenee-et— yes. well, let's have a look. because-of-havel because some of you have been eettne— because some of you have been eettne-tenet.— because some of you have been getting touch. daniel getting in touch. daniel hodge eewe— getting in touch. daniel hodge says_globalism.i says imperial ism globalism. wnet— says imperial ism globalism. wnetltne— says imperial ism globalism. what the ottoman empire? the what of the ottoman empire? the tnetreten— what of the ottoman empire? the australian hungary— what of the ottoman empire? the australian hungary empire, as wet— australian hungary empire, as wettltne— australian hungary empire, as well-the british— australian hungary empire, as well the british empire ? well as the british empire? centext.— well as the british empire? context._times| well as the british empire?| context._times . well as the british empire?- context._times . i'm context. look at the times. i'm net— context. look at the times. i'm net entte— context. look at the times. i'm net tntte ee— context. look at the times. i'm not quite sure where we're going wttn— not quite sure where we're going wttn tnet— not quite sure where we're going wttn tnet ene.— not quite sure where we're going with that one. i— not quite sure where we're going with that one. i try— not quite sure where we're going with that one. i try to understand- with that one. i try to understand it, but i think it's
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tee— understand it, but i think it's tee eteer— understand it, but i think it's too clever for— understand it, but i think it's too clever for me.— understand it, but i think it's too clever for me. paul too clever for me. sorry paul nee— too clever for me. sorry paul has-historically- too clever for me. sorry paul has historically we look has said if historically we look teet— has said if historically we look tett-ett— has said if historically we look back-all whites- has said if historically we look back-all whites as. back and class all whites as reetete— back and class all whites as racists, will— back and class all whites as racists, will-look- back and class all whites as racists, will look back in racists, will we look back in tne— racists, will we look back in tne tntnre— racists, will we look back in the future and— racists, will we look back in the future and class all muslims as the future and class all muslims ee terretete— the future and class all muslims as terrorists .things- as terrorists and things like tnete— as terrorists and things like tnete ven— as terrorists and things like that? you can't— as terrorists and things like that? you can't keep kind of tente— that? you can't keep kind of tetnte teen— that? you can't keep kind of doing? yeah i— that? you can't keep kind of doing? yeah i mean, that was tnet-e— doing? yeah i mean, that was tnet-e e— doing? yeah i mean, that was that's a baffling— doing? yeah i mean, that was that's a baffling comment. that e tetttne— that's a baffling comment. that was a baffling comment. but tnent—tt-e- was a baffling comment. but tnent—tt-e e- was a baffling comment. but thank—it's a oh,j thank you for that. it's a oh, tnte— thank you for that. it's a oh, tnte enee— thank you for that. it's a oh, this one's from _ thank you for that. it's a oh, this one's from says it's this one's from dodi says it's ttetnettnt. — this one's from dodi says it's disgusting. defamatory remarks etett— disgusting. defamatory remarks etent-wer— disgusting. defamatory remarks about-war leader- disgusting. defamatory remarks about war leader . and about our hero war leader. and tnet— about our hero war leader. and tnen ne-e— about our hero war leader. and then he's mentioned yeah so this is then he's mentioned yeah so this te tnte— then he's mentioned yeah so this te tnte te— then he's mentioned yeah so this te tnte te tne— then he's mentioned yeah so this is this is the thing— then he's mentioned yeah so this is this is the thing that people are is this is the thing that people eettne— is this is the thing that people eettne tn— is this is the thing that people are coming in and talking about this are coming in and talking about we eeew— are coming in and talking about we eeew wew— are coming in and talking about we eeew wew te— are coming in and talking about this easy way to fix the banks tne— this easy way to fix the banks tne tente— this easy way to fix the banks the banks will— this easy way to fix the banks the banks will do— this easy way to fix the banks the banks will do nothing to net— the banks will do nothing to netp teeptte— the banks will do nothing to help despite being bailed out ent— help despite being bailed out and-billions- help despite being bailed out and billions from our and making billions from our nenew— and making billions from our nenew-peeetnt- and making billions from our money passing interest money and not passing interest teet— money and not passing interest tett—tt— money and not passing interest back—if everyone. back on savings. if everyone tnet— back on savings. if everyone we tente— back on savings. if everyone that banks at— back on savings. if everyone that banks at a— back on savings. if everyone that banks at a certain bank tnreetene— that banks at a certain bank threatens to— that banks at a certain bank threatens to withdraw their eettnte— threatens to withdraw their eettnte tnte— threatens to withdraw their savings thus creating a northern teet— savings thus creating a northern rock situation— savings thus creating a northern rock situation .— savings thus creating a northern rock situation . i— savings thus creating a northern rock situation . i remember that rock situation. i remember that i rock situation. i remember that t net— rock situation. i remember that t net e— rock situation. i remember that t net e nerttete— rock situation. i remember that i had a mortgage with northern teet— i had a mortgage with northern teet wnet— i had a mortgage with northern rock. what-they- i had a mortgage with northern rock. what they do? i rock. what would they do? i tntnt— rock. what would they do? i tntnt-eeew- rock. what would they do? i think-easy fix.- rock. what would they do? i think easy fix. help think that's an easy fix. help us as we have— think that's an easy fix. help us as we have helped you take a etettet— us as we have helped you take a smaller bonus— us as we have helped you take a smaller bonus for— us as we have helped you take a smaller bonus for once. it's trne— smaller bonus for once. it's trnelwett— smaller bonus for once. it's trnelwett .— smaller bonus for once. it's true-well . and- smaller bonus for once. it's true well . and the governor true as well. and the governor of true as well. and the governor et-et— true as well. and the governor et-et tnttent- true as well. and the governor of-of england.his| of the bank of england on his teteet— of the bank of england on his teteet er— of the bank of england on his 565,000 or whatever it is, he eent— 565,000 or whatever it is, he can't-remember- 565,000 or whatever it is, he can't remember how much can't even remember how much ne-e— he's earning, which is quite embarrassing.—
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he's earning, which is quite embarrassing. see, denise embarrassing. let's see, denise on embarrassing. let's see, denise en cnnrentt— embarrassing. let's see, denise on churchill is— embarrassing. let's see, denise on churchill is disgusting. teteneterw— on churchill is disgusting. defamatory remarks . that's defamatory remarks. that's enetner— defamatory remarks. that's another one. _ defamatory remarks. that's another one. he's not happy with tnet— another one. he's not happy with we .— another one. he's not happy with we . tnt— another one. he's not happy with we . tnt ne— another one. he's not happy with that . and he says— another one. he's not happy with that . and he says churchill is that. and he says churchill is et— that. and he says churchill is et tne— that. and he says churchill is one of the greatest heroes of tne— one of the greatest heroes of tne wett. — one of the greatest heroes of the world. it's— one of the greatest heroes of the world. it's only lefty woke tttete— the world. it's only lefty woke tttete wne — the world. it's only lefty woke idiots who have— the world. it's only lefty woke idiots who have nothing better to idiots who have nothing better te te— idiots who have nothing better te te. tne— idiots who have nothing better to do. the church— idiots who have nothing better to do. the church is not the teet— to do. the church is not the teet pteee— to do. the church is not the best place to— to do. the church is not the best place to be— to do. the church is not the best place to be discussing that eett— best place to be discussing that eert et— best place to be discussing that eert et tttnt— best place to be discussing that sort of thing. let's— best place to be discussing that sort of thing. let's see alfie on savers, says— sort of thing. let's see alfie on savers, says nana . why didn't on savers, says nana. why didn't went— on savers, says nana. why didn't wenr tneete— on savers, says nana. why didn't wenr tneete ent— on savers, says nana. why didn't your guests and yourself stick to your guests and yourself stick te tne— your guests and yourself stick to the question— your guests and yourself stick to the question about savers ? to the question about savers? teen.— to the question about savers? teen. wnw— to the question about savers? yeah, why didn't— to the question about savers? yeah, why didn't we? let's come teet— yeah, why didn't we? let's come teet te— yeah, why didn't we? let's come teet te tnet— yeah, why didn't we? let's come back to that very— yeah, why didn't we? let's come back to that very briefly with reeert — back to that very briefly with reeert te — back to that very briefly with retert te tne— back to that very briefly with regard to the bank of england. i ween.— regard to the bank of england. i ween. tnt— regard to the bank of england. i mean, yeah, but why did they not peeetnt— mean, yeah, but why did they not peeetnt-eewnte— mean, yeah, but why did they not passing savings well, passing the savings rate? well, i passing the savings rate? well, t—wrent. i i think it's completely wrong. tnt— i think it's completely wrong. and-undermines- i think it's completely wrong. and-undermines the- i think it's completely wrong. and i it undermines the whole principle of raising interest rates because you need both arms of to be doing the of the lever to be doing the same take money out of same thing, to take money out of circulation. that's how you dampen inflation. do you dampen inflation. so what do you think to savings? think with regard to savings? so we answer this question prepertw— so we answer this question prepertw ter— so we answer this question properly for alfie. well where tente—rete banks haven't passed on rate teee— banks haven't passed on rate teeet-e— banks haven't passed on rate rises-is because. banks haven't passed on rate rises is because they rises to savers is because they went— rises to savers is because they went-mete— rises to savers is because they want-make more- rises to savers is because they want make more money. . want to make more money. it's as etnpte— want to make more money. it's as etnpte ee— want to make more money. it's as simple as that. greedy,- want to make more money. e greedy, isn't it simple as that. greedy, isn't it reettwe— simple as that. greedy, isn't it really? frankly,— simple as that. greedy, isn't it really? frankly, i,— simple as that. greedy, isn't it really? frankly, i, i— greedy, isn't it really? frankly, i, i wouldn't tnet— really? frankly, i, i wouldn't use that word— really? frankly, i, i wouldn't use that word in— really? frankly, i, i wouldn't use that word in all cases. i tttnt— use that word in all cases. i think.depends_ use that word in all cases. i
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thinkldepends on- use that word in all cases. i think depends on bank to think it depends on a bank to bank if banks, if bank basis. but if banks, if a bank basis. but if banks, if a bank already highly bank is already highly profitable to profitable and then it fails to pass rate, it's very much pass on a rate, it's very much open the accusation of greed. open to the accusation of greed. but banks, i remember some of the societies are the large building societies are like a bank. they've got very different levels of performance. it's almost an antitrust issue. it's almost an antitrust issue. i think fact that all of i think the fact that all of ten — i think the fact that all of them aren't— i think the fact that all of them aren't passing it on entteete— them aren't passing it on entteetelne— them aren't passing it on suggests me that we need an suggests to me that we need an tnweetttetten— suggests to me that we need an investigation into— suggests to me that we need an investigation into how it is tnet— investigation into how it is we tnte— investigation into how it is that this happening. that this isn't happening. tett—tnet- that this isn't happening. | well,_them out, that this isn't happening. i well,_them out, so well, we helped them out, so i think that should least think that they should at least pass let's see more pass that on. but let's see more of rob of your thoughts. rob says raising rates for raising interest rates for savers . alfie i hope that helps. savers. alfie i hope that helps. by savers. alfie i hope that helps. by raising interest by the way, raising interest rates help rates for savers will only help the generation the boomer generation that actually it's actually have savings. it's not going millions . going to help millions. millennials mortgages . ian millennials with mortgages. ian says. raising interest rates on savings won't help the poor at all. jeremy rishi and their all. but jeremy rishi and their cronies make fortunes. cronies will make fortunes. answers the views held answers i suspect the views held by churchill were held by the majority of people in the nine 19005 majority of people in the nine 1900s to judge people by our present ideas is crazy. well, listen , interestingly enough, listen, interestingly enough, keep your thoughts coming on the way. i'll be talking immigration. i've got a monologue on the way. ben habib
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hello. good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv , online welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour , me akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the right now. this the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, theirs. and of mine, it's theirs. and of course, . we'll course, it's yours. we'll be debating, and debating, discussing, and at times will disagree, times we will disagree, but no one be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcast foreign journalist danny before
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journalist danny kelly. before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . good latest news headlines. good afternoon. it's 4:00.- good afternoon. it's 4:00. aaron trnetrent— afternoon. it's 4:00. aaron armstrong here _ afternoon. it's 4:00. aaron armstrong here in the newsroom. armstrong here in the newsroom. t t— armstrong here in the newsroom. t t weer— armstrong here in the newsroom. t t weer ett— armstrong here in the newsroom. t t weer ett ttt— armstrong here in the newsroom. a 15 year old girl has died etter— a 15 year old girl has died etter being— a 15 year old girl has died after being pulled from the sea at cleethorpes— after being pulled from the sea at cleethorpes beach in tent—eeet— at cleethorpes beach in north—east lincolnshire. police say— north—east lincolnshire. police eew e— north—east lincolnshire. police eew e t— north—east lincolnshire. police eew e t weer— north—east lincolnshire. police say a 15 year old— north—east lincolnshire. police say a 15 year old boy was also recovered from _ say a 15 year old boy was also recovered from the— say a 15 year old boy was also recovered from the water. he was teten — recovered from the water. he was teten te — recovered from the water. he was taken to hospital— recovered from the water. he was taken to hospital and has since teen— taken to hospital and has since been discharged.— taken to hospital and has since been discharged. meanwhile a te— been discharged. meanwhile a twe weer— been discharged. meanwhile a twe weer ett— been discharged. meanwhile a five year old boy— been discharged. meanwhile a five year old boy has died after tettnt— five year old boy has died after tettnt tren — five year old boy has died after tettnt tren e— five year old boy has died after falling from a harbour wall in retetew. — falling from a harbour wall in padstow. the— falling from a harbour wall in padstow. the child was airlifted to padstow. the child was airlifted te teepttet— padstow. the child was airlifted to hospital following the tnettent— to hospital following the incident yesterday afternoon but tet— incident yesterday afternoon but ttet teter. — incident yesterday afternoon but died later. devon— incident yesterday afternoon but died later. devon and cornwall petee— died later. devon and cornwall petee eew— died later. devon and cornwall petee eew tnew— died later. devon and cornwall police say they are currently treettnt— police say they are currently treettne tne— police say they are currently treating the boy's death as an eeettent. — treating the boy's death as an accident. now— treating the boy's death as an accident. now russia's preettent— accident. now russia's president, vladimir putin, says he president, vladimir putin, says ne nee— president, vladimir putin, says ne nee ewerw— president, vladimir putin, says he has every confidence in his treepe— he has every confidence in his treepe en— he has every confidence in his treepe en tne— he has every confidence in his troops on the front line. it tettewe— troops on the front line. it follows the _ troops on the front line. it follows the 24— troops on the front line. it follows the 24 hour armed retete— follows the 24 hour armed retete. en— follows the 24 hour armed rebels, an which was called off teet— rebels, an which was called off teet tent.— rebels, an which was called off last night. now,— rebels, an which was called off last night. now, it's understood tnet— last night. now, it's understood tnet tne— last night. now, it's understood that the leader— last night. now, it's understood that the leader of— last night. now, it's understood that the leader of the wagner rnereenerw trenp— that the leader of the wagner mercenary group behind that coup is mercenary group behind that coup te te— mercenary group behind that coup te te teete— mercenary group behind that coup is to leave russia— mercenary group behind that coup is to leave russia for belarus tettewet— is to leave russia for belarus followed doing— is to leave russia for belarus followed doing what's been teeettet— followed doing what's been
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described as— followed doing what's been described as an— followed doing what's been described as an attempted exerttrew— described as an attempted overthrow. his— described as an attempted overthrow. his troops were on tnet— overthrow. his troops were on tnetr wew— overthrow. his troops were on tnetr wew te— overthrow. his troops were on their way to moscow to remove tneeten— their way to moscow to remove russian commanders. yevgeny trttezntn— russian commanders. yevgeny trttezntn te— russian commanders. yevgeny prigozhin is blaming them for the mishandling of the war in tttete.— the mishandling of the war in ukraine. well,— the mishandling of the war in ukraine. well, ukrainian mp etetetw— ukraine. well, ukrainian mp oleksiy goncharenko thinks tnttn-e— oleksiy goncharenko thinks putin's time— oleksiy goncharenko thinks putin's time is— oleksiy goncharenko thinks putin's time is running out. tetnttetw. — putin's time is running out. tetnttetw. tt— putin's time is running out. definitely. if this— putin's time is running out. definitely. if this mutiny- putin's time is running out. definitely. if this mutiny would continue several days longer, a better several weeks longer, that will be the end of russian army in ukraine. it was too quick to exploit it for our army. it was just in 24 hours. so i don't think that now it will in short term will change something on the battlefield. but on the middle term, it showed how weak is russia and i'm even more sure today in ukrainian victory than before . ukrainian victory than before. the prime minister has set out wnet— the prime minister has set out wnet ne-e— the prime minister has set out what he's calling— the prime minister has set out what he's calling the biggest wertteree— what he's calling the biggest workforce training expansion in the workforce training expansion in tne tts— workforce training expansion in the nhs history.— workforce training expansion in the nhs history. writing in the snntew— the nhs history. writing in the snntew nnee— the nhs history. writing in the sunday times, mr sunak says his tts— sunday times, mr sunak says his tts tent— sunday times, mr sunak says his tts tent tern— sunday times, mr sunak says his nhs long term workforce plan wtt— nhs long term workforce plan wttt etn— nhs long term workforce plan wttt etn te— nhs long term workforce plan will aim to train,— nhs long term workforce plan
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will aim to train, retain and reerrnt— will aim to train, retain and reerrnt tne— will aim to train, retain and reform the uk's— will aim to train, retain and reform the uk's experienced etett— reform the uk's experienced etett. te— reform the uk's experienced etett. te eewe— reform the uk's experienced staff. he says as— reform the uk's experienced staff. he says as a country we tetw— staff. he says as a country we retw en— staff. he says as a country we rely on attracting— staff. he says as a country we rely on attracting talented peepte— rely on attracting talented peepte tren — rely on attracting talented people from overseas rather than reerntttnt— people from overseas rather than reerntttnt et— people from overseas rather than recruiting at home.— people from overseas rather than recruiting at home. mr sunak teeettet— recruiting at home. mr sunak described the— recruiting at home. mr sunak described the 15— recruiting at home. mr sunak described the 15 year plan as tne— described the 15 year plan as the cornerstone _ described the 15 year plan as the cornerstone of his government's vision for a better neettt— government's vision for a better neettn cere— government's vision for a better health care system— government's vision for a better health care system . the health care system. the chancellor— health care system. the chancellor says raising interest tetee— chancellor says raising interest retee te— chancellor says raising interest retee te ene— chancellor says raising interest rates is one of— chancellor says raising interest rates is one of the— chancellor says raising interest rates is one of the most etteette— rates is one of the most effective methods to kerb tntetten. — effective methods to kerb inflation. this— effective methods to kerb inflation. this week, rates were tttet— inflation. this week, rates were tttet eeetn— inflation. this week, rates were tttet etetn .— inflation. this week, rates were hiked again . they're up to 5% hiked again. they're up to 5% tren— hiked again. they're up to 5% tren ts.— hiked again. they're up to 5% tren ts. tte— hiked again. they're up to 5% from 4.5. it's the— hiked again. they're up to 5% from 4.5. it's the 13th rise in a from 4.5. it's the 13th rise in e ent— from 4.5. it's the 13th rise in a row and the— from 4.5. it's the 13th rise in a row and the sharpest increase etne— a row and the sharpest increase tetrnerw— a row and the sharpest increase since february. the— a row and the sharpest increase since february. the move means nerttete— since february. the move means mortgage holders— since february. the move means mortgage holders ,— since february. the move means mortgage holders , home owners mortgage holders, home owners are mortgage holders, home owners prepertnt— mortgage holders, home owners prepetnt ter— mortgage holders, home owners are preparing for a— mortgage holders, home owners are preparing for a big jump in tnet— are preparing for a big jump in tnetr nentntw— are preparing for a big jump in their monthly repayments . their monthly repayments. wntte— their monthly repayments. trtttne tn— their monthly repayments. writing in the— their monthly repayments. writing in the mail on sunday, jeremy— writing in the mail on sunday, jeremy tnnt— writing in the mail on sunday, jeremy hunt has— writing in the mail on sunday, jeremy hunt has urged those etrntttnt— jeremy hunt has urged those etrntttnt te— jeremy hunt has urged those struggling to be patient with the struggling to be patient with tne petntnt— struggling to be patient with the painful measures . chief the painful measures. chief seereterw— the painful measures. chief seereterw te— the painful measures. chief secretary to the _ the painful measures. chief secretary to the treasury john etenn— secretary to the treasury john etenn tett— secretary to the treasury john glenn told us— secretary to the treasury john glenn told us the— secretary to the treasury john glenn told us the chancellor is eenntttet— glenn told us the chancellor is eenntttet te— glenn told us the chancellor is committed to supporting the bank of committed to supporting the bank et tnttent— committed to supporting the bank et tnttent . — committed to supporting the bank et tnttent . te— committed to supporting the bank of england . as you— committed to supporting the bank of england . of england. as you know, the bank of england is independent of government . we work closely of government. we work closely with , but they make those with them, but they make those decisions and they've obviously increased by
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increased our rates by half a percent last week. i'm not here to commentate. i'm here to work closely with the bank of england. people don't want us to be amongst ourselves be squabbling amongst ourselves what be doing is what we should be doing is having a committed and united plan to deal with high inflation in our economy. that is what we're doing in government and thatis we're doing in government and that is what the governor of the bank of england is doing with the interest decisions . a the interest rate decisions. a silent vigil has been a silent vigil has been held in tenten— silent vigil has been held in tenten te— silent vigil has been held in london to mark— silent vigil has been held in london to mark the first ennwreeerw— london to mark the first anniversary zahra aleena's anniversary of zahra aleena's teetn. — anniversary of zahra aleena's teetn. tne— anniversary of zahra aleena's teetn. tne es— anniversary of zahra aleena's death. the 35 year old law tretnete— death. the 35 year old law graduate was— death. the 35 year old law graduate was sexually assaulted and graduate was sexually assaulted ent tttet— graduate was sexually assaulted ent tttet ee— graduate was sexually assaulted and killed as she— graduate was sexually assaulted and killed as she walked home tren— and killed as she walked home trenlnttnt— and killed as she walked home fromlnight out— and killed as she walked home from lnight out on _ and killed as she walked home from night out on the 26th of from a night out on the 26th of june— from a night out on the 26th of rtne teet— from a night out on the 26th of rtne teet weer.— from a night out on the 26th of june last year. 29— from a night out on the 26th of june last year. 29 year old jordan— june last year. 29 year old jordan mcsweeney is currently eettne— jordan mcsweeney is currently eentnt e— jordan mcsweeney is currently eettne e tte— jordan mcsweeney is currently serving a life sentence after tette— serving a life sentence after tetnt tetee— serving a life sentence after being jailed for— serving a life sentence after being jailed for at least 38 weete.— being jailed for at least 38 years. earlier,— being jailed for at least 38 years. earlier, friends and rent— years. earlier, friends and tenttw et— years. earlier, friends and family of ms— years. earlier, friends and family of ms aleena joined the wet— family of ms aleena joined the wet et— family of ms aleena joined the vigil at valentines park in tttete— vigil at valentines park in tttert ent— vigil at valentines park in ilford and the— vigil at valentines park in ilford and the london mayor, sette— ilford and the london mayor, sette tnet— ilford and the london mayor, sette xten .— ilford and the london mayor, sadiq khan , one— ilford and the london mayor, sadiq khan , one of several sadiq khan, one of several ettetete— sadiq khan, one of several officials in— sadiq khan, one of several officials in attendance. if we tnew— officials in attendance. if we know somebody— officials in attendance. if we know somebody acting inappropriate, we got to call tnen — inappropriate, we got to call tnen ent— inappropriate, we got to call them out and— inappropriate, we got to call them out and have a word. e them out and have a word. it's net— them out and have a word. it's net 9°°d_ them out and have a word. it's not good enough.— them out and have a word. it's not good enough. it— them out and have a word. it's not good enough. it may be banter to you, but it's not how
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it's by and it's received by women. and girls. we've got to change the criminal one of criminal justice system. one of the things about zara's is the things about zara's case is it's highlighted the consequences of austerity over the last 13, 14 years. but the final thing i'll say to you is this we must not forget zara . we this we must not forget zara. we must not forget zara and why today is important. is it humanity is a number. i said every three days a woman is killed at the hands of a man . killed at the hands of a man. that's it for the moment. we'll be back just after 4:30.- e we'll be back just after 4:30. now it is be back just after 4:30. now it te teet— be back just after 4:30. now it te teet te— be back just after 4:30. now it is back to nana— be back just after 4:30. now it is back to nana .— is back to nana. ittent- is back to nana. i thank you,- is back to nana. thank you, aaron. good afternoon. if you've just joined me, board. this is me, welcome on board. this is the on tv, online and on the gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's fast approaching. minutes after approaching. six minutes after 4:00, i'm akua . the 4:00, i'm nana akua. the immigration industry. well, that's what i like to call it
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because that's what it is . i because that's what it is. i don't know about you, but i've had enough . don't know about you, but i've had enough. i'm sick and tired of hearing yet another ridiculous way to migrants ridiculous way to house migrants when is in the when the real problem is in the processing by a home who processing by a home office who are that in name? because so many of them are actually working from their homes. and we, public, are paying for we, the public, are paying for it. we're paying for all of it. now, i'm not saying that we don't help but surely we don't help people, but surely we can than this. the can do better than this. the cost to house asylum seekers is on course to reach £11 billion a yeah on course to reach £11 billion a year. the illegal migration bill and unfortunate title. i mean, you think the so—called greatest minds this country has to offer would have perhaps renamed it, but then nonetheless, the impact is assessment from the bill warns that costs could exceed £30 million per day and this is why. so the other day we heard that braintree district council lost their high court battle for mdp. wethersfield that's the raaf base there in james cleverly's constituency to be turned into a migrant camp and
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that it will now house over 1000 fighting age men. now it's not clear as to whether they'll be allowed to leave the base, but either way that is where they're going. now if you thought that was bad, we'll get this . the was bad, we'll get this. the home office are now outbidding councils for accommodation . so councils for accommodation. so basically they're offering private landlords a considerably higher rate of rent to house migrants than the councils can offer to house the people of this country. and it's leading to, as kieron williams, leader of southwark council, said of this homeless listener staff. we have never seen anything like this . we have all but run out of this. we have all but run out of opfions this. we have all but run out of options to find temporary accommodation in the borough. so instead of housing people who are already living in this country, we are prioritising those who have come here illegally and in effect exacerbating a homelessness pandemic and the number of migrants being housed in private accommodation above accommodation is now above 50,000, which is a 20 fold increase in less than three years. it's totally unsupported . chainable and if you thought about booking a nice hotel in a
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coastal town, you'll to coastal town, you'll be lucky to find a room as almost 400 are currently being used to house asylum seekers, that's 400 hotels you couldn't make this up. now the illegal migration bill basically gives ministers the powers to detain and remove migrants who arrive here illegally , either to their home illegally, either to their home country or to rwanda. and this week, the court of appeal will rule whether the rwanda plan is lawful. anyone proposing an opposing this needs to take a long, hard think and come up with some alternatives because frankly, i'm fed up of hearing liberal lefties talking about what a cruel place rwanda is and how the rooms in a barge are too small and how all migrants who come here are vulnerable when there are many who are purely here for economic reasons and are bypassing those who come here legitimately. it's an industry, an immigration industry, an immigration industry, an immigration industry, a business where people smugglers and lawyers, employers who want cheap labour benefit and those being exploited are the migrants
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themselves and the people of this country . themselves and the people of this country. but themselves and the people of this country . but before we get this country. but before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, do you believe that went overboard on that the west went overboard on the in russia ? mutinous the mutiny in russia? mutinous russian mercenary fighters that headed towards moscow turned back after skirting a deal with the russian president, vladimir putin. but with the uk's military shrinking and cuts in defence budget , should we be defence budget, should we be focusing on own armed focusing on our own armed forces? then at 450 as well? you i'll be crossing live to the kremlin to speak to russian journalist alexi veer. according to , the us officials to sources, the us officials were about russia's were concerned about russia's nuclear weapons the nuclear weapons during the mutiny and headed by erg and forgotten. i'll be getting the latest from the heart of moscow. then it's this week's then at five, it's this week's outside. a special outside. i've got a special mystery guest. she's an 80s pop icon who was number one for a five week period in the uk charts. she's also famed for her fiery red hair. can anyone guess who she might be? that's on the
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way in the next hour. tell me what think on everything what you think on everything we're email we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com me gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. right right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel broadcaster and author christine hamilton. and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. right, danny, that's bit a moody face and that's a bit of a moody face and then smile . well, i caught my then a smile. well, i caught my reteetten— then a smile. well, i caught my reflection on _ then a smile. well, i caught my reflection on what— then a smile. well, i caught my reflection on what was- “ti“ well, i caught my reflection on what was that etette— reflection on what was that etente t— reflection on what was that about? i realised that the camera was— about? i realised that the camera was up- about? i realised that the camera was up . �*th about? i realised that the camera was up . �*i�*ét about? i realised that the camera was up . bit .itii; about? i realised that the— camera was up . a&e how are you? camera was up. a&e how are you? tennw— camera was up. a&e how are you? tennw verw— camera was up. a&e how are you? tennw verw wett— camera was up. a&e how are you? tennw verw wett tetw— camera was up. a&e how are you? danny very well, very well. - camera was up. bit .itii; 7 danny very well, very well. it's a danny very well, very well. it's e teenttnt— danny very well, very well. it's a beautiful-there.- danny very well, very well. it's a beautiful there. you a beautiful day out there. you twe—tnent- a beautiful day out there. youi two—thank you. two look fabulous. thank you. wttnent— two look fabulous. thank you. wttnent-.— two look fabulous. thank you. without-. too- two look fabulous. thank you. without . too warm for without a doubt. too warm for ne-wern-etl me, but too warm. nice air conditioning— me, but too warm. nice air conditioning today. it's beautiful— conditioning today. it's beautiful well, beautiful in here. yeah, well, wen-e— beautiful in here. yeah, well, you've-blondes. - beautiful in here. yeah, well,| you've-blondes. iyes. beautiful in here. yeah, well,- you've-blondes. iyes. and you've got two blondes. yes. and tnet— you've got two blondes. yes. and ttet entte— you've got two blondes. yes. and that suits you, by the way. somebody, denise didn'tw that suits you, by the way. somebody, denise didn't it somebody, denise didn't think it did. somebody, denise didn't think it tte-teee— somebody, denise didn't think it did-does denise- somebody, denise didn't think iti did. _does denise know? did. danny does denise know? whoever thinks denise- did. danny does denise know? whoever thinks denise the- whoever thinks denise the niece was whoever thinks denise the niece tne— whoever thinks denise the niece was the niece? _ whoever thinks denise the niece was the niece? yes.— whoever thinks denise the niece was the niece? “tit: jtit““t was the niece? yes. so, danny, what do you think, then? are we this. this just every this. this just seems every single scuppered by single plan is scuppered by a load of people who can't load of people who say you can't do that. cruel. you do that. it's so cruel. you can't do this. you can't do that. literally forcing can't do this. you can't do thatsituation literally forcing can't do this. you can't do thatsituation and ally forcing can't do this. you can't do thatsituation and makinging can't do this. you can't do thatsituation and making it] the situation and making it
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worse. do you know what really ennewe— worse. do you know what really ennewe ne-teet- worse. do you know what really annoys me _fact that - annoys me is the fact that tnere-e— annoys me is the fact that tnere-e ne— annoys me is the fact that there's no middle ground? you nenttenet—.- there's no middle ground? you mentioned_. it'si mentioned lefty liberals. it's the mentioned lefty liberals. it's tne eenptete— mentioned lefty liberals. it's the complete reluctance to eeeept— the complete reluctance to eeeept tnet— the complete reluctance to accept that out— the complete reluctance to accept that out of these thousands— accept that out of these thousands of- accept that out of these thousands of young men, a pereentete— thousands of young men, a percentage they won't even eeeept. — percentage they won't even eeeept. t— percentage they won't even accept. a percentage are trying it accept. a percentage are trying tt en— accept. a percentage are trying tt en tnet— accept. a percentage are trying it on their economic migrants. my it on their economic migrants. ttw wew— it on their economic migrants. my te— it on their economic migrants. my view is that— it on their economic migrants. my view is that the majority of tneee— my view is that the majority of tneee young— my view is that the majority of these young lads— my view is that the majority of these young lads are economic nterente— these young lads are economic nterente .— these young lads are economic migrants . they'll— these young lads are economic migrants . they'll be coached. migrants. they'll be coached. tnew-tt—te- migrants. they'll be coached. they'll no wonder they'll be trained. no wonder tnew— they'll be trained. no wonder tnew tet— they'll be trained. no wonder tnew tet peet— they'll be trained. no wonder they get past our— they'll be trained. no wonder they get past our our system and tnew-re— they get past our our system and tnew-re twen— they get past our our system and they're given settled status teenee— they're given settled status because they— they're given settled status because they know exactly what to because they know exactly what te-ent — because they know exactly what te-ent t— because they know exactly what te-ent tttet— because they know exactly what to-and i just wish - because they know exactly what to and i just wish some of to say and i just wish some of tneee—wentt- these lefty liberals would eeeept— these lefty liberals would eeeept-eewl these lefty liberals would. accept - say, okay, these lefty liberals would- accept - say, okay, so accept that. and say, okay, so if accept that. and say, okay, so t wen— accept that. and say, okay, so t wen eppeee— accept that. and say, okay, so t wen eppeee rt.— accept that. and say, okay, so if you oppose it, you're not a wene— if you oppose it, you're not a wenre net— if you oppose it, you're not a wenre net e— if you oppose it, you're not a you're not a bigoted racist . you you're not a bigoted racist. you tnet— you're not a bigoted racist. you tnet newe— you're not a bigoted racist. you tnet newe e— you're not a bigoted racist. you tnet nexe e treep— you're not a bigoted racist. you just have a grasp on reality and £11 just have a grasp on reality and tt tttet— just have a grasp on reality and £11 billion, was— just have a grasp on reality and £11 billion, was that a year ? £11 billion, was that a year? tte— £11 billion, was that a year? tt-e eettne— £11 billion, was that a year? we eentno np— £11 billion, was that a year? it's coming up to 11 billion in tne— it's coming up to 11 billion in tne tntnre— it's coming up to 11 billion in the future. if— it's coming up to 11 billion in the future. if we— it's coming up to 11 billion in the future. if we carry on and if the future. if we carry on and t tnte— the future. if we carry on and t we tt— the future. if we carry on and if this if this— the future. if we carry on and if this if this swarm continues it's if this if this swarm continues tt-e tt— if this if this swarm continues it's £11 billion,— if this if this swarm continues it's £11 billion, 30— if this if this swarm continues it's £11 billion, 30 million a eew.— it's £11 billion, 30 million a tew. ven— it's £11 billion, 30 million a eew. wen newe— it's £11 billion, 30 million a day. you have to- it's £11 billion, 30 million a day. you have to put them somewhere, though, don't you? tnt— somewhere, though, don't you? tnt nnteee— somewhere, though, don't you? and unless you— somewhere, though, don't you? and unless you turn the boats entt— and unless you turn the boats around, unless— and unless you turn the boats around, unless the flights to twente— around, unless the flights to rwanda take— around, unless the flights to rwanda take off. but what you're not rwanda take off. but what you're net-etep— rwanda take off. but what you're not stop processing. not going to stop processing. tnt— not going to stop processing. nnt-ee— not going to stop processing. nnt-ee tnew— not going to stop processing. but-so busy, focussed. not going to stop processing. i but-so busy, focussed on but we're so busy, focussed on the goal housing them the end goal of housing them
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that to have lost touch that we seem to have lost touch with the reason with the fact that the reason why this failure is why there is this failure is because the home office. the because of the home office. the home they why home office. why are they why has them long has it taken them so long to process migrants are process the migrants who are then stuck in these these areas of accommodation for that of accommodation for years? that is don't is the problem. and i don't understand why why we're so focussed to find a focussed on trying to find a solution people solution for housing people when actually a lot of the home office are working from home and this the problem. they're this is the problem. they're even when it even outbidding councils when it comes to properties as well. i know one side fighting against the other. apparently councils tneneewee— the other. apparently councils themselves have— the other. apparently councils themselves have an- apparently councils themselves have an agreement tetween— themselves have an agreement between them— themselves have an agreement between them that they won't bid etettet— between them that they won't bid eoetnet eeen— between them that they won't bid against each other,— between them that they won't bid against each other, but the home entee— against each other, but the home ettee eenee— against each other, but the home office comes in— against each other, but the home office comes in over the top and tneee— office comes in over the top and these hoteliers— office comes in over the top and these hoteliers ,— office comes in over the top and these hoteliers , in— office comes in over the top and these hoteliers , in a way, who these hoteliers, in a way, who ttene— these hoteliers, in a way, who can blame them— these hoteliers, in a way, who can blame them if suddenly the tene— can blame them if suddenly the tene entee— can blame them if suddenly the home office comes along and says .—enttre— home office comes along and says .—enttre netet- , we'll take your entire hotel eterw— , we'll take your entire hotel exerw etntte— , we'll take your entire hotel every single nook or cranny for wtetexen— every single nook or cranny for whatever, however— every single nook or cranny for whatever, however much over the ette— whatever, however much over the ette e— whatever, however much over the ette e weer.— whatever, however much over the etee e weer. ee— whatever, however much over the odds a year, over the odds, wen-t— odds a year, over the odds, wen-t newe— odds a year, over the odds, you'd have to— odds a year, over the odds, you'd have to be. and, you know, wttn— you'd have to be. and, you know, wttn tne— you'd have to be. and, you know, with the economy— you'd have to be. and, you know, with the economy crashing, eenw.— with the economy crashing, eerrw. net— with the economy crashing, sorry, not crashing, the economy reettnt. — sorry, not crashing, the economy reettnt. jeremy— sorry, not crashing, the economy rocking. jeremy hunt wants it, tee. — rocking. jeremy hunt wants it, tee. xpperenttw— rocking. jeremy hunt wants it, too. apparently he- rocking. jeremy hunt wants it, too. : too. apparently he wanted a recession. people haven't got tnet— recession. people haven't got nnen enew.— ”tititititi. ti“ people haven't got much money. people are going to
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etep— much money. people are going to etep-tetne— much money. people are going to etep. -90i"9 te— much money. people are going to stop.-going to start- stop. they're going to start entttnt— stop. they're going to start cutting holidays. cutting back on holidays. so no tee— cutting back on holidays. so no wetter-te— cutting back on holidays. so no wonder-do that- cutting back on holidays. so no wonder-do thatidol cutting back on holidays. so no wonder do that do you wonder hoteliers do that. do you remember a few— wonder hoteliers do that. do you remember a few weeks ago, tettnntne— remember a few weeks ago, tettnntne-weer- remember a few weeks ago, beginning year, there beginning of this year, there tne— beginning of this year, there was the down _ beginning of this year, there was the down in— beginning of this year, there was the down in cornwall, the tnteeet— was the down in cornwall, the tintagel castle _ was the down in cornwall, the tintagel castle hotel. yeah, teentttnt— tintagel castle hotel. yeah, beautiful hotel.— tintagel castle hotel. yeah, beautiful hotel. no, he said, i ennet— beautiful hotel. no, he said, i ennet te— beautiful hotel. no, he said, i cannot do that— beautiful hotel. no, he said, i cannot do that to— beautiful hotel. no, he said, i cannot do that to my staff. i eent— cannot do that to my staff. i een-t te— cannot do that to my staff. i can't do that— cannot do that to my staff. i can't do that to— cannot do that to my staff. i can't do that to local residents ent— can't do that to local residents ent t— can't do that to local residents ent t eent— can't do that to local residents ent t een-t te— can't do that to local residents and i can't do that— can't do that to local residents and i can't do that to all the peepte— and i can't do that to all the peepte nee— and i can't do that to all the people who've booked their their tettewe. — people who've booked their their tettewe. tnt— people who've booked their their holidays. but he— people who've booked their their holidays. but he is— people who've booked their their holidays. but he is a lone tnt— holidays. but he is a lone voice. and yeah, because most of the voice. and yeah, because most of tne neet— voice. and yeah, because most of tne neet et— voice. and yeah, because most of the most of the— voice. and yeah, because most of the most of the stuff gets enetet— the most of the stuff gets sucked because, because the eente— sucked because, because the eente teen — sucked because, because the events team who _ sucked because, because the events team who look after wetttnee— events team who look after weddings and— events team who look after weddings and christenings and eeetet— weddings and christenings and social-where- weddings and christenings and social where they're social occasions where they're net— social occasions where they're net neetet — social occasions where they're net neetet ee— social occasions where they're not needed so they get put on the not needed so they get put on tne tete. — not needed so they get put on the dole. what— not needed so they get put on the dole. �*.¢tt“.ite ”tinting not needed so they get put on the dole. ”tinting not needed so they get put on the dole. what really annoys me as well is that and let's go with lefty liberals. what with the lefty liberals. what really is when they really annoys me is when they when they criticise somebody, common who say, common sense minded, who say, okay, it's okay, put them on a barge, it's going be safe, it's going to going to be safe, it's going to be and they say it's be clean. and they say it's inhumane, then put in the inhumane, then put them in the ministry where ministry of defence site where soldiers personnel soldiers or raf personnel used to can't put to have to live. you can't put them not good them there. it's not good enough. these are kids. enough. i mean, these are kids. these been these are young men who've been sleeping tents in calais for sleeping in tents in calais for months or years. you put them up on a barge and not good
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on a barge and that's not good enough. thing is enough. the whole thing is mental. and also we're trying to were—tne- mental. and also we're trying to were—tne wrong. we're doing it from the wrong ent.— we're doing it from the wrong end. we're bailing end. i mean, we're bailing out tne— end. i mean, we're bailing out tne-wttn— end. i mean, we're bailing out the-withlcalendar,- the boat with a calendar, wneeee— the boat with a calendar, whereas the whereas we're not stopping the tete— whereas we're not stopping the nete-tn— whereas we're not stopping the nete-tn tne— whereas we're not stopping the hole-in the hull- whereas we're not stopping the hole in the hull that is hole in the in the hull that is eenetnt— hole in the in the hull that is eenetne tne— hole in the in the hull that is causing the problem. so we're net— causing the problem. so we're net etepptnt— causing the problem. so we're not stopping coming not stopping people coming in. were— not stopping people coming in. were-trtte— not stopping people coming in. we're-tryinglbail- not stopping people coming in. we're trying bail at we're just trying to bail out at the we're just trying to bail out at tne rereee. — we're just trying to bail out at tne tente-tet- the farage. we will get eenptetetw— the farage. we will get completely overtaken by this. tnt— completely overtaken by this. nnt—newe- completely overtaken by this. but—have been. but even if you have been etreetw—wenl but even if you have been already—you so, already but even if you did so, tnet— already but even if you did so, tnet eew— already but even if you did so, tnet eew-eeeept— already but even if you did so, just say accept that the just say you accept that the nteretten— just say you accept that the migration numbers are coming tte— migration numbers are coming across like that— migration numbers are coming across like that as it as is the teet— across like that as it as is the reet reene— across like that as it as is the real issue for— across like that as it as is the real issue for me— across like that as it as is the real issue for me is the home ettee. — real issue for me is the home ettee. tte— real issue for me is the home office. it's the— real issue for me is the home office. it's the way- real issue for me is the home office. it's the way they're behaving with this. the outbid wing of other councils. by the way, that's our money. that's our money by the way, money our money by the way, the money that they're to pay more that they're using to pay more than all of that than the councils, all of that is money. they're is our money. so they're deciding bit more of deciding a bit a bit more of their they actually their money. they actually have no money. their no regard for our money. their total disregard for it. well, this 30 billion is- total disregard for it. well, this 30 billion is our- t: g: e well, this 30 billion is our million. a this 30 billion is our million. t tew. — this 30 billion is our million. t eew. teen.— this 30 billion is our million. a day. yeah, 30— this 30 billion is our million. a day. “tit?“ 30 eeti“ this 30 billion is our million. a day. “tit?“ 30 ll ti“ tititt a day. yeah, 30 million a day. that's just. that's— a day. yeah, 30 million a day. that's just. that's just- a day. yeah, 30 million a day. that's just. that's just far- a day. “tit?“ 30 ll ti“ i that's just. that's just far too nnet.— that's just. that's just far too nnet. tnt— that's just. that's just far too nnet. tnt tt— that's just. that's just far too much. and it comes from a you tnew— much. and it comes from a you knew-tett— much. and it comes from a you knew-tett er- much. and it comes from a you know,-left or right. know, it's not a left or right teene.|ten-t— know, it's not a left or right issue, don't think, because issue, i don't think, because tete— issue, i don't think, because tte-te— issue, i don't think, because tete-te. tnt- issue, i don't think, because lots-is, but lots. issue, i don't think, becausei lots-is, but lots of lots of work it is, but lots of werttnt— lots of work it is, but lots of working class— lots of work it is, but lots of working class labour voters are fed working class labour voters are tet—wet. - working class labour voters are tet—wet. se- fed up with it as well. so tnew-re— fed up with it as well. so tnew-re-tnt- fed up with it as well. so they're but they've come they're more but they've come
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entt— they're more but they've come erennt-tent- they're more but they've come around don't forget, you around because don't forget, you tnew— around because don't forget, you knew-e— around because don't forget, you knew-e serenee— around because don't forget, you know, a scouser you go know, i'm a scouser and you go to know, i'm a scouser and you go te—eteee— know, i'm a scouser and you go te—eteee eneee- to the working class areas of tterpeet— to the working class areas of liverpool - have - liverpool which have been eenptetetw— liverpool which have been completely changed by this tnetenee— completely changed by this tnetenee-e— completely changed by this instance a period of weeks instance over a period of weeks or instance over a period of weeks ereeet-ttte— instance over a period of weeks or massive migration. or months. massive migration. ven— or months. massive migration. ten tnew— or months. massive migration. ten tnew. tne— or months. massive migration. you know, the scouse white werttnt— you know, the scouse white working class— you know, the scouse white working class areas are no teteet— working class areas are no tenoer seenee— working class areas are no longer scouse or indeed white. tnt— longer scouse or indeed white. nnt-newe— longer scouse or indeed white. ant-nexe te— longer scouse or indeed white. and have to accept that's not and we have to accept that's not a and we have to accept that's not e—eew. — and we have to accept that's not e—eew. te- a racist thing to say. no teenee— a racist thing to say. no because there - a racist thing to say. no because there are people coming tne— because there are people coming tne weter— because there are people coming over the water with— because there are people coming over the water with different tetet— over the water with different belief systems,— over the water with different belief systems, different eppreeenee— belief systems, different- approaches-things. approaches to lots of things. tnt— approaches to lots of things. nnt-eew.— approaches to lots of things. nnt-eew. wnet- approaches to lots of things. but say, what you were but i will say, what you were tetttne— but i will say, what you were tetttnt wttn— but i will say, what you were talking with-and- but i will say, what you were talking with and right, talking with the left and right, the talking with the left and right, tne-wnt— talking with the left and right, tne-wtnt er— talking with the left and right, the wing or labour the left wing or the labour etenent— the left wing or the labour element politics. \ttz�*t g element of politics. no longer represents working class and represents the working class and i think the right wing, the more conservative represents conservative element represents more in the more of the people in the working class. why? what's happened ? i think the tories are happened? i think the tories are mere-pertw— happened? i think the tories are more-party-workingl more of a party of the working eteee — more of a party of the working eteee .— more of a party of the working class.-i think— more of a party of the working class. -i think they- more of a party of the working class. i think they are who class. well i think they are who rent— class. well i think they are who reettw—werttntl really represent the working eteee— really represent the working class-parties— really represent the working class parties like ukip and class of parties like ukip and the class of parties like ukip and tne perttee— class of parties like ukip and the parties-the- class of parties like ukip and the parties the right. the parties over on the right. they— the parties over on the right. ttew reettw— the parties over on the right. they really are. _ the parties over on the right. they really are. but- the parties over on the right. they really are. but to- the parties over on the right. they really are. but to go- the parties over on the right. they really are. but to go back to you were saying earlier, to what you were saying earlier, it as it annoys me intensely as well that , for want of a that lefties, for want of a better word, accept that better word, won't accept that any these are any of these people are economic. correct . it is. economic. that's correct. it is. that's correct . a pikestaff look that's correct. a pikestaff look at them. they come flooding off the they're all young .
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the boats. they're all young. they're you they don't they're you know, they don't have children. they're have wives and children. they're young, men. young, economically viable men. and they will not accept that. as you say, if you point that out, you're accused of being racist inhumane and they racist and inhumane and they don't like you know, the don't like you know, look, the facts around with facts don't mess around with feelings. it's fact feelings. it's the fact that a lot feelings. it's the fact that a tetltnen — feelings. it's the fact that a lot-them are _ titie “95 it's the fact that a lot them are economic lot of them are economic nterente— lot of them are economic nterente .— lot of them are economic migrants. fair- lot of them are economic migrants . fair enough. if that's migrants. fair enough. if that's new— migrants. fair enough. if that's new-te— migrants. fair enough. if that's new-te te. - migrants. fair enough. if that's how-to be. and- migrants. fair enough. if that's how to be. and we're how it's going to be. and we're net—ee-eetti not going to stop, as you said, plug— not going to stop, as you said, plug-gait— not going to stop, as you said, plug-gab but_ not going to stop, as you said, plug-gab but the- not going to stop, as you said, plug gap. but the bottom plug the gap. but the bottom tne— plug the gap. but the bottom tnelt-n— plug the gap. but the bottom line-i'm still— plug the gap. but the bottom line i'm still looking at line is, i'm still looking at tnet— line is, i'm still looking at. tnet—eettno line is, i'm still looking at- that_asking what that home office and asking what the that home office and asking what tne-tnew— that home office and asking what tne-ttew doing?- that home office and asking what the they doing? because that home office and asking what tithink they doing? because that home office and asking what tithink it they doing? because that home office and asking what tithink it washey doing? because that home office and asking what tithink it was whatoing? because that home office and asking what tithink it was what itig? because that home office and asking what tithink it was what it wasiecause that home office and asking what tithink it was what it was thatise i think it was what it was that tnew— i think it was what it was that tnew preeeeeet— i think it was what it was that they processed nine migrants in a they processed nine migrants in e—wee-wnetei a week. and it was like, what? new— a week. and it was like, what? new-wene — a week. and it was like, what? how-you? what- a week. and it was like, what? how you? ”ti: how could you? what they're doing losing tories doing is losing the tories the next mean, if they. next election. i mean, if they. but could be deliberate but it could be deliberate teenee— but it could be deliberate because obviously they're because it's obviously they're ett— because it's obviously they're etwt—te l civil servants. they want to i neenltne— civil servants. they want to i meanithe head— civil servants. they want to i mean the head the ipsis mean, the head of the ipsis eete.— mean, the head of the ipsis eete-tne- mean, the head of the ipsis said,-the civil- said, which is the civil eewente— said, which is the civil servants-said. said, which is the civil servants said that said, which is the civil- servants-said that he servants union, said that he eetnettw— servants union, said that he actually wanted— servants union, said that he actually wanted to you actually wanted to see, you tnew— actually wanted to see, you know, use the— actually wanted to see, you know, use the whole strikes to ttne — know, use the whole strikes to bring _government. know, use the whole strikes to bring government . know, use the whole strikes to- bring-government . yeah. bring down the government. yeah. so bring down the government. yeah. se-ett— bring down the government. yeah. so-civil servants— bring down the government. yeah. so-civil servants i've- so the civil servants i've got a lot so the civil servants i've got a tet te. — so the civil servants i've got a tet te. tnt— so the civil servants i've got a tet te. tnt we— so the civil servants i've got a lot to. but we are— so the civil servants i've got a lot to. but we are suffering as a lot to. but we are suffering as e teentt— lot to. but we are suffering as e reentt ent— lot to. but we are suffering as a result and we're— lot to. but we are suffering as a result and we're paying for it. a result and we're paying for t. _ttnen- a result and we're paying for it.-when does- a result and we're paying for it.-when does it. it. all of it. when does it etepe — it. all of it. when does it etepe wnet— it. all of it. when does it stop? when does- it. all of it. when does it stop? �*.¢tt�*“ti“ i e ti; i 7’ it. all of it. when does it- stop? when does it end? how it. all of it. when does it— stop? when does it end? how many is and that's you is enough? and that's when you ask ask somebody ask somebody. you ask somebody who's wants an who's a supporter who wants an instant processing, him instant processing, get him over
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here, in here, maybe process them in france over france and bring them over here legitimately. when do you legitimately. so when do you stop? when there's 50 or 60,000? this or last when do this year or last year. when do you stop ? stop? at point do you stop? stop? at what point do we say enough is we stop and say enough is enough? the way, one enough? and by the way, just one little point multi little point about multi culturalism. if multiculturalism is such a panacea and is so great, why are there areas? i live in the midlands, there are areas in birmingham that have just white have just just the white folk have just abandoned them. why? why would that be? if multiculturalism is so good? well, listen, even teet— so good? well, listen, even trevor phillips,— 3:7 well, listen, even trevor phillips, there are enclaves as— trevor phillips, there are enclaves as well, the pakistanis ent— enclaves as well, the pakistanis and bangladeshis— enclaves as well, the pakistanis and bangladeshis stop and bangladeshis will only stop wnet— and bangladeshis will only stop when-indigenous- and bangladeshis will only stop when indigenous culture has when why indigenous culture has teen— when why indigenous culture has been completely— when why indigenous culture has been completely disappeared. tnt.— been completely disappeared. tnt. tnt— been completely disappeared. tnt. tnt tnt— been completely disappeared. but. but but the— been completely disappeared. but. but but the bottom- been completely disappeared. but. but but the bottom line is, though, it's you know, it doesn't work. i mean, trevor rttttpe— doesn't work. i mean, trevor tnttpe eett— doesn't work. i mean, trevor phillips said the— phillips said the multiculturalism doesn't phillips said the— multiculturalism doesn't work. tnt— multiculturalism doesn't work. tnt ne— multiculturalism doesn't work. and he actually— multiculturalism doesn't work. and he actually obviously we tetttnt— and he actually obviously we were talking about the anniversary— were talking about the anniversary of windrush anniversary of the windrush as wet.— anniversary of the windrush as wett—tetttne- anniversary of the windrush asi well._talking about well. people were talking about this-assimilated.- well. people were talking about this assimilated. yeah, this and they assimilated. yeah, i this and they assimilated. yeah, t tntnt— this and they assimilated. yeah, t tntnt tte— this and they assimilated. yeah, i think it's more— this and they assimilated. yeah, i think it's more about whether you— i think it's more about whether you assimilate— i think it's more about whether you assimilate to— i think it's more about whether you assimilate to the environment- you assimilate to the environment you're you assimilate to the- environment-you're within environment that you're within tetet— belief systems and also your enttnre. — belief systems and also your culture. culturally , how do culture. so culturally, how do you,— culture. so culturally, how do wen-te— culture. so culturally, how do wen-te wen— culture. so culturally, how do you, do you behave ? kyiv and you, how do you behave? kyiv and i you, how do you behave? kyiv and t-tnet— you, how do you behave? kyiv and t-tnet wnet— you, how do you behave? kyiv and t-tnet wnen wen.—
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you, how do you behave? kyiv and i-that when you, you- you, how do you behave? kyiv and i that when you, you , you i think that when you, you, you tnew— i think that when you, you, you ttew-tene- i think that when you, you, you know,-rome do- i think that when you, you, you know, rome do the know, when in rome do as the tene— know, when in rome do as the tenene-tetr- know, when in rome do as the romans, fair enough romans, i think is fair enough tnt— romans, i think is fair enough tnt-eee— romans, i think is fair enough and-see there's- romans, i think is fair enough and see there's no and i don't see there's no pretten — and i don't see there's no problem with— and i don't see there's no problem with sharing your enttnre— problem with sharing your culture-well— problem with sharing your culture well sharing culture as well and sharing epeee— culture as well and sharing epeeee—wnel culture as well and sharing spaces—who of spaces with people who are of tttterent— spaces with people who are of different cultures— spaces with people who are of different cultures learning different cultures and learning tren—erewtntl different cultures and learning. from—growing and from each other and growing and yes,— from each other and growing and yes, it— from each other and growing and yes, it wow-k— from each other and growing and yes, it works. but— yes, it works. but unfortunately, what's yes, it works. but— unfortunately, what's happened is, you— unfortunately, what's happened is, you know,— unfortunately, what's happened is, you know, so— unfortunately, what's happened is, you know, so indian people om— is, you know, so indian people wiuloo— is, you know, so indian people wilt-to one— is, you know, so indian people will-to one corner,- is, you know, so indian people will to one corner, then some will go to one corner, then some brook— will go to one corner, then some block people— will go to one corner, then some black people will— will go to one corner, then some black people will go to this comer-iro— black people will go to this corner it's created clumps corner and it's created clumps ano— corner and it's created clumps and—different- corner and it's created clumps and different races and clusters of different races rather— and clusters of different races rather-o— and clusters of different races rather-a nice— and clusters of different races rather-a nice sort- and clusters of different races rather a nice sort of mix, rather than a nice sort of mix, which— rather than a nice sort of mix, which is— rather than a nice sort of mix, which is when— rather than a nice sort of mix, which is when i— rather than a nice sort of mix, which is when i think the problems— which is when i think the problems arise- which is when i think the problems arise and lack of lack of understanding. _ problems arise and lack of lack of understanding. but that's exactly— of understanding. but that's exactly what's— of understanding. but that's exactly what's happening with this exactly what's happening with two in— exactly what's happening with this in terms— exactly what's happening with this in terms-all- exactly what's happening with this in terms all of this this in terms of all of this immigration— this in terms of all of this immigration ,— this in terms of all of this immigration , because what you immigration, because what you are immigration, because what you going— immigration, because what you going oo— immigration, because what you going io-wg— immigration, because what you are going to up with are are going to end up with are noonoio— are going to end up with are goonoio-iion - are going to end up with are- pockets _from .area, pockets of people from one area, goonoio— pockets of people from one area, goonoiolgoogio— pockets of people from one area, pockets people another. pockets of people from another. wowe— pockets of people from another. we've - somebody _ pockets of people from another. we've somebody in of we've got somebody in all of non — we've got somebody in all of non -iowi— we've got somebody in all of them - raf base - we've got somebody in all of them raf base here. then them in the raf base here. then wo-wo-oii— them in the raf base here. then we've-alllthem- them in the raf base here. then we've all them there. we've got all of them there. no— we've got all of them there. inn-io— we've got all of them there. ii-o-io wow.- we've got all of them there. it's-to work. they| it's not going to work. they noon— it's not going to work. they need .process_ it's not going to work. they need process them and need to process them and oooiniioio— need to process them and assimilate them quickly. that assimilate them quickly. so that now— assimilate them quickly. so that they—environment. assimilate them quickly. so thati they—environment . they adapt to the environment. ani— they adapt to the environment. ann noon— they adapt to the environment. ann oi— they adapt to the environment. and none of this— they adapt to the environment. and none of this is— they adapt to the environment. and none of this is going- they adapt to the environment. and none of this is going to go on year after year, after year after year when years after year when 30 years time it's be continuing. and it's going to be continuing. and at point i was listening to at what point i was listening to tony abbott on gb news this morning camilla and
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morning talking to camilla and he said, listen, the only thing you is start them you can do is start turning them boats australian, boats back. he's the australian, ion-i— boats back. he's the australian, ion-i no? — boats back. he's the australian, ion-i no? nos— boats back. he's the australian, isn't he.7 he's the— boats back. he's the australian, isn't he.7 he's the one- f he's the australian, isn't he? boats back. he's the australian, isn't he? he's the one who said, sorry, forgive me, the former australian minister. sorry, forgive me, the former austreyeah, minister. sorry, forgive me, the former austreyeah, mithat r. sorry, forgive me, the former austreyeah, mithat is yeah, yeah, yeah. that is noncon— yeah, yeah, yeah. that is exactly we should doing. exactly what we should be doing. they by just they solved the problem by just whizzing around and whizzing the boats around and pushing them off. no i think they them like a third they put them on like a third party or. sorry, i'm party island or. sorry, i'm using— party island or. sorry, i'm using-metaphor. - party island or. sorry, i'm using-metaphor. they using that metaphor. yes, they win. — using that metaphor. yes, they win. nwi. nui— using that metaphor. yes, they did. but. but that's.- using that metaphor. “4115 i: i: but that's. but that, did. but. but that's. but that, inan— did. but. but that's. but that, inn—wow- did. but. but that's. but that, that,_work-it. that, that could work and it snowin— that, that could work and it should work.— that, that could work and it should work. but remember anoiniio— australia to where they are, now— australia to where they are, nnew-noon— australia to where they are, they- much more - australia to where they are, they much more sea between they have much more sea between inon —inow-n— they have much more sea between them they're sending them and where they're sending poopin— people to and also it's much non—ioninowl people to and also it's muchi more _journey to more of a perilous journey to come-wherever- more of a perilous journey to come wherever they're come from wherever they're coming— come from wherever they're coming-goi- come from wherever they're coming-gono- come from wherever they're coming get to australia, coming from to get to australia, iooowo— coming from to get to australia, because australia _ coming from to get to australia, because australia quite because australia is quite iooioiooi— because australia is quite isolated, whereas we are, isolated, but whereas we are, ii-o— isolated, but whereas we are, in o— isolated, but whereas we are, no n onon— isolated, but whereas we are, it's a short journey over the cnonnoi— it's a short journey over the cnonnoi in— it's a short journey over the channel in a— it's a short journey over the channel in a dinghy, a dinghy nono— channel in a dinghy, a dinghy none ii— channel in a dinghy, a dinghy can make it and— channel in a dinghy, a dinghy can make it and even if it noon-i,— can make it and even if it doesn't, will— can make it and even if it doesn't, will pick you up and owing— doesn't, will pick you up and bring you— doesn't, will pick you up and bring you non.— doesn't, will pick you up and bring you here. there's got to be bring you here. there's got to in o— bring you here. there's got to in o inner— bring you here. there's got to be a better way— bring you here. there's got to be a better way of doing this oni— be a better way of doing this and ion— be a better way of doing this and ion goi— be a better way of doing this and it's got to— be a better way of doing this and it's got to be— be a better way of doing this and it's got to be a global onion.— and it's got to be a global onion. i— and it's got to be a global effort. i think— and it's got to be a global effort. i think it- and it's got to be a global effort. i think it stokes in thei areas—immigrants areas where these immigrants go, it areas where these immigrants go, ii—nooontnontl areas where these immigrants go, it.the-resentment. areas where these immigrants go, it the local resentment areas where these immigrants go, it the local population. ent areas where these immigrants go, it the local population. ' i: from the local population. and wn— from the local population. and tin—ion— from the local population. and. that—for community. that is not good for community. no, don't buy argument. i no, i don't buy that argument. i ion-i— no, i don't buy that argument. i don't-argument- no, i don't buy that argument. i don't argument out of don't buy that argument out of owggonon— don't buy that argument out of supporters immigration, supporters of mass immigration, wnioiionoi— unfettered immigration, that wow-no— unfettered immigration, that they're—perilous they're making this perilous
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ino— they're making this perilous life perilous— they're making this perilous life perilous journey across the cnonnoi— life perilous journey across the channel they're— life perilous journey across the channel they're not because ooooo— channel they're not because ooooo googio— channel they're not because 60,000 people made it last year oni— 60,000 people made it last year and onw— 60,000 people made it last year and oniw o— 60,000 people made it last year and only a handful— 60,000 people made it last year and only a handful died. the onio— and only a handful died. the odds on— and only a handful died. the odds are overwhelming . that's odds are overwhelming. that's a ingoiw. — odds are overwhelming. that's a ingoow. nui— odds are overwhelming. that's a ingoow. nwi wo— odds are overwhelming. that's a tragedy. but we don't know that. but tragedy. but we don't know that. not won— tragedy. but we don't know that. not you say— tragedy. but we don't know that. not you say won— tragedy. but we don't know that. but you say that. i— tragedy. but we don't know that. but you say that. i mean,- tragedy. but we don't know that. but you say that. i mean, only recently a migrant boat sank and potentially 700 people in potentially 700 people was in the mediterranean. we're talking oiowi— the mediterranean. we're talking oiowi g..— the mediterranean. we're talking about the short— the mediterranean. we're talking about the short journey- min: " we're talking about the short journey across the about the short journey across in cnonnoi. — about the short journey across the channel. but— about the short journey across the channel. about the short journey across- the channel. but what-saying the channel. but what i'm saying is point is is when i get to the point is that don't know many that we don't know how many people that. and once people died in that. and once again, know many again, we don't know how many boats make it or how many boats didn't make it or how many people died. well, i'm people have died. well, i'm talking i'm people have died. well, i'm talktalking i'm people have died. well, i'm talktalking about i'm people have died. well, i'm talktalking about from i'm people have died. well, i'm talktalking about from libyan people have died. well, i'm talktalking about from libya to not talking about from libya to italy. the italy. i'm talking about the numbers. so you're talking. yeah, it's a less yeah, i get it. it's a less perilous journey because it's shorter. is, shorter. what i'm saying is, even or many even though 40,000 or how many made here, don't how made it here, we don't know how many it, what i'm many didn't make it, is what i'm saying. no, will know how saying. no, we will know how nonw— saying. no, we will know how many poopin— saying. no, we will know how many people have— g no, we will know how many people have died. we don't know.— many people have died. we don't know-don't? — many people have died. we don't know.-don't? of— many people have died. we don't know. don't? o” in]. know. we don't? of course we win— know. we don't? of course we will will know. will support how we will know. well, unfortunately, will well, people unfortunately, will be well, people unfortunately, will io—onono. - well, people unfortunately, will be_shores. we'll| well, people unfortunately, will belif-shores. we'll| well, people unfortunately, will be if dawn shores. we'll well, people unfortunately, will be if dawn neesom. . we'll well, people unfortunately, will be if dawn neesom. \i:::i 'll well, people unfortunately, will be if dawn neesom. \..;. know if dawn neesom. no, no, we won-n wo— know if dawn neesom. no, no, we won-n no, no— know if dawn neesom. no, no, we won't. no, no, no. we— know if dawn neesom. \»::» iii" c no, no, no. we will know if dawn neesom. \»::» vii?" c no, no, no. we will know. won't. no, no, no. we will know. ningnw— won't. no, no, no. we will know. dinghy sinking—acrossj dinghy sinking people die across the dinghy sinking people die across ino—won-i-sol dinghy sinking people die across the|think-won't-so| dinghy sinking people die across the think that won't so dinghy sinking people die across the think that dinghies so dinghy sinking people die across the think that dinghies may so dinghy sinking people die across the think that dinghies may have you think that dinghies may have gono— you think that dinghies may have gone down— you think that dinghies may have gone down? we— you think that dinghies may have gone down? we don't know about it. gone down? we don't know about in ->— gone down? we don't know about in -> oi— gone down? we don't know about it.-> of course. of- it. people > of course. of
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course .would- it. people > of course. of course .would it. course we would know about it. i ininn— course we would know about it. i inink wo-i— course we would know about it. i think we'd know— course we would know about it. i think we'd know about. g think we'd know about. it is so snoii. i— think we'd know about. it is so snoii. i_pe0plel think we'd know about. it is so. small. i_people would small. i think many people would nove— small. i think many people would nnewe-— small. i think many people would nowowo- ion-i- small. i think many people would have _we don't know- i think many people would have we don't know of. have died that we don't know of. not have died that we don't know of. woilinon.— have died that we don't know of. woilinon.-oi- have died that we don't know of. not.them._of them. not of them. not all of them wowii— not of them. not all of them would -taken_ not of them. not all of them would taken dinghies. would have taken dinghies. they may— would have taken dinghies. they| now—wow. may have taken some other way. but may have taken some other way. nnt—wis— may have taken some other way. but—this argument- but people use this argument that such that they're making such a such a they a perilous journey that they must need of must be in desperate need of escaping whatever it is. france have france precisely, have escaping france precisely, which get which is absolute rubbish. i get on that said, on the dinghy that you said, i don't know whether perhaps, perhaps don't perhaps you shouldn't. i don't know me on know whether they'd want me on the know whether they'd want me on ino-n— know whether they'd want me on ino-n wooin— know whether they'd want me on the - it would turn - know whether they'd want me on the-it would turn it- the dinghy. it would turn it into a speedboat. if was into a speedboat. if i was sitting back. he's in. sitting at the back. he's in. but odds are 10,000 to 1. but the odds are 10,000 to 1. you're make it. i'd you're going to make it. i'd get on it not on the dinghy. it is not a perilous. it's a perilous perilous. it's not a perilous journey. you on it. and journey. one of you on it. and its. — journey. one of you on it. and its. |wowii— journey. one of you on it. and it's. iwould sink— journey. one of you on it. and it's. would sink dinghy. it's. i would sink the dinghy. that's the french should that's what the french should do. employ me another fat lad. some you, this should like some of you, this should be like 20 some of you, this should be like zoo—ion— some of you, this should be like zo—ion ino- 20 of you waiting for the iingnw. — 20 of you waiting for the. iingnw. _tno dinghy. you're getting the dinghy. you're getting the dinghy can come dinghy as well. can i come along as dinghy as well. can i come along oo-iwgi— dinghy as well. can i come along oo-iwgi-i-ii- as well? just pretend i'll onioni— pretend i'm from syria or somewhere.— pretend i'm from syria or somewhere-just- pretend i'm from syria or somewhere-just on the somewhere. i'll just get on the dinghy. it sinks. and everybody. iwowono— dinghy. it sinks. and everybody. everyone within. _ dinghy. it sinks. and everybody. everyone within. within- dinghy. it sinks. and everybody.| everyone within. within-feet everyone within. within two feet of one's going to of water. no one's going to drown. that's. that's an interesting— interesting point. do you think it interesting point. do you think ii—i-n- it got off the point? i'm going to it got off the point? i'm going io-nwooiii — it got off the point? i'm going to-myself? that's- it got off the point? i'm going to myself? g to hide myself? that's right. well hiya, danny. hurry up, danny. well hiya, danny. hurry up, dannv--in_ well hiya, danny. hurry up, danny.-inldinghy?l well hiya, danny. hurry up,- danny. _inldinghy? yes danny. danny in a dinghy? yes wow-o— danny. danny in a dinghy? yes wow-o wiin— danny. danny in a dinghy? yes wow-no win no— danny. danny in a dinghy? yes you're with me. i'm nana. quit inio— you're with me. i'm nana. quit inio io—
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wake up two mornings on gb news the people's channel. britain's news . channel _ the people's channel. britain's news . channel good afternoon. news. channel good afternoon. it's coming up to 26 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. it's now time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it time to focus now, focus on our own military? now, yesterday, the media reacted frantically to the mutinous russian mercenary fighters marching moscow, marching towards moscow, presenting vladimir putin and with the most serious challenge on his power in the last sort of 23 years. and at the same time, thousands across the uk turned out to pay respects, out to pay their respects, marking armed forces day. but as cuts to our defence budget continue , i wonder whether the continue, i wonder whether the nafion continue, i wonder whether the nation focusing on nation should be focusing on issues to home because issues closer to home because earlier this week military chief sir tim radford warned britain's shrinking armed forces are weakening its influence on nato after the british army announced after the british army announced a reduction of 3000 serving troops . it's easy to forget that troops. it's easy to forget that one of the reasons we can stay
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safe in this country is because we armed forces who are we have armed forces who are prepared to stand and defend when so the when the need arises. so for the great hour, great british debate this hour, i'm , is it time focus i'm asking, is it time to focus on own military ? right. so on our own military? right. so joining is former editor joining me now is former editor of the labourlist peter edwards international border expert henry bolton. ben habib, former brexit mep and de—man and political commentator danny armstrong . all right. i'm going armstrong. all right. i'm going to start with you , henry. henry to start with you, henry. henry bolton yeah, i think we've got to pay more attention to our defence. you know what happened wooionoow— defence. you know what happened wooioioow io— :f you know what happened yesterday is symptomatic of an iiiwowoioo— yesterday is symptomatic of an illustrated demonstrated if you uno— illustrated demonstrated if you gkg, inoi— illustrated demonstrated if you like, that russia— illustrated demonstrated if you like, that russia can turn on a oixgonoo— like, that russia can turn on a sixpence politically . we didn't sixpence politically. we didn't iwoi— sixpence politically. we didn't iwoi ooo— sixpence politically. we didn't just see prigozhin and his owonooo— just see prigozhin and his owonooo io— just see prigozhin and his advance to moscow . we saw advance to moscow. we saw ioowow— advance to moscow. we saw noowow ino— advance to moscow. we saw kadyrov, the chechen leader, winging— kadyrov, the chechen leader, winging noogo— kadyrov, the chechen leader, bringing troops up . we saw bringing troops up. we saw a gonioi— bringing troops up. we saw a partial agitation, i wouldn't say— partial agitation, i wouldn't say mobilised— partial agitation, i wouldn't say mobilised action amongst oonoin— say mobilised action amongst certain other— say mobilised action amongst certain other private military oonnoninoo. — certain other private military companies. and— certain other private military companies. and we saw a number of companies. and we saw a number oi oiigoiono— companies. and we saw a number of oligarchs getting— companies. and we saw a number of oligarchs getting involved as woii— of oligarchs getting involved as woii. wo-wo— of oligarchs getting involved as woii. wo-wo goi—
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of oligarchs getting involved as well. we've got the belarussian ongio— well. we've got the belarussian .ngtg, ioo— well. we've got the belarussian angle, too. what— well. we've got the belarussian angle, too. what i'm saying is no— angle, too. what i'm saying is no inoio-o— angle, too. what i'm saying is that there's a _ angle, too. what i'm saying is that there's a very, very good iowooion— that there's a very, very good russian phrase— that there's a very, very good russian phrase from a 1950s, i ininw— russian phrase from a 1950s, i ininw iiin— russian phrase from a 1950s, i ininw iiin ,— russian phrase from a 1950s, i think, film , which is vostok think, film, which is vostok litvinenko,_ think, film, which is vostok litvinenko, which is the east is a litvinenko, which is the east is o i— litvinenko, which is the east is o ii wow— litvinenko, which is the east is o ii you iiio— litvinenko, which is the east is a if you like, doesn't translate ioioiiw— a if you like, doesn't translate ioioiiw ini— a if you like, doesn't translate ioioiiw iwi o— a if you like, doesn't translate totally, but a delicate thing . totally, but a delicate thing. in— totally, but a delicate thing. it's something— totally, but a delicate thing. it's something that you have to wooi— it's something that you have to iiooi wow— it's something that you have to treat very carefully because it is treat very carefully because it io ioin— treat very carefully because it is both volatile— treat very carefully because it is both volatile and unpredictable and russia is a wow— unpredictable and russia is a wow oongoiowo— unpredictable and russia is a very dangerous place now just to put very dangerous place now just to poi ii— very dangerous place now just to poi ii in.— very dangerous place now just to poi ii in. poi— very dangerous place now just to put it in. but hang— very dangerous place now just to put it in. but hang on. but oiow— put it in. but hang on. but oiow. iioi-o— put it in. but hang on. but okay, that's great. - put it in. but hang on. but okay, that's great. but but henry, about our henry, but henry, what about our own military, though? because we're in this now. we're not focusing on ourselves. that's part of the context- focusing on ourselves. that's part of the context .- f g iii" that's part of the context . nana f g iii" that's part of the context. nana you con-i— part of the context. nana you oon-i iono— part of the context. nana you can't take the— part of the context. nana you can't take the context away. but if can't take the context away. but ii woo— can't take the context away. but ii woo ioon— can't take the context away. but ii you ioon oi— can't take the context away. but if you look at our— can't take the context away. but if you look at our armed forces now-oon ioni- if you look at our armed forces now, seen tank battles is now, we've seen tank battles is going— now, we've seen tank battles is going on— now, we've seen tank battles is going on in— now, we've seen tank battles is going on in eastern ukraine. but goi— going on in eastern ukraine. but goi 227— going on in eastern ukraine. but we've got 227 challenger, two ionko— we've got 227 challenger, two ionno in— we've got 227 challenger, two ionno in no — we've got 227 challenger, two tanks in the british army. only 157 tanks in the british army. only iii oi— tanks in the british army. only iii oi inon— tanks in the british army. only 157 of them are— tanks in the british army. only 157 of them are operational . 157 of them are operational. woo,— 157 of them are operational. wet, inoi— 157 of them are operational. well, that number will go down to well, that number will go down io woo— well, that number will go down io ioo wnon— well, that number will go down to 143 when they're upgraded . to 143 when they're upgraded. ano— to 143 when they're upgraded. ano oo— to 143 when they're upgraded. and our troops— to 143 when they're upgraded. and our troops were at 102,000 in ino— and our troops were at 102,000 in no anny. — and our troops were at 102,000 in the army. that's— and our troops were at 102,000 in the army. that's back in 20g,— in the army. that's back in 20g, inow—
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in the army. that's back in 2010, they were - in the army. that's back in 2010, they were reduced to ozoocin— 2010, they were reduced to 82,000in 2015.— 2010, they were reduced to 82,000in 2015. the defence connono— 82,000in 2015. the defence command paper— 82,000in 2015. the defence command paper earlier this year in nooon— command paper earlier this year in march reduced— command paper earlier this year in march reduced that number to moo.— in march reduced that number to nooo. ano— in march reduced that number to 72,500. and now— in march reduced that number to 72,500. and now last week or so we 72,500. and now last week or so wo ioio— 72,500. and now last week or so wo on by— 72,500. and now last week or so we were told by the— 72,500. and now last week or so we were told by the defence socioiow— we were told by the defence secretary and _ we were told by the defence secretary and by— we were told by the defence secretary and by others that the noiioon— secretary and by others that the noiioon io — secretary and by others that the refresh to that— secretary and by others that the refresh to that which was due to be refresh to that which was due to io iooooo — refresh to that which was due to be issued this— refresh to that which was due to be issued this week , is now not be issued this week, is now not going— be issued this week, is now not going io— be issued this week, is now not going io io— be issued this week, is now not going to be issued— be issued this week, is now not going to be issued or published oniii— going to be issued or published oniii oiion— going to be issued or published until after the— going to be issued or published until after the nato summit in viinioo— until after the nato summit in viinioo noxi— until after the nato summit in vilnius next month . we can vilnius next month. we can piooioi— vilnius next month. we can predict that's— vilnius next month. we can predict that's going to cut it even further— predict that's going to cut it even further .— predict that's going to cut it even further . this is madness. even further. this is madness. i even further. this is madness. i nooo— even further. this is madness. i need io— even further. this is madness. i need io wing— even further. this is madness. i need to bring the— even further. this is madness. i need to bring the others- even further. this is madness. i need to bring the others in. so basically we are so in a word, then should we be focusing on own rather than just on our own self rather than just russia? did a russia? because we did a whole page of it yesterday. everyone talked was even talked about it. it was even armed was hardly armed forces day that was hardly got just got mentioned. henry, just briefly, we need to briefly, do you think we need to focus, or no? yes, course focus, yes or no? yes, of course we armstrong . we do. right danny armstrong. yeah. imean, we do. right danny armstrong. yeah. i mean, i think the oxonpio— yeah. i mean, i think the example that— yeah. i mean, i think the example that or- / i mean, i think the example that or the lesson that poopio— example that or the lesson that poopio iooinoo— example that or the lesson that people learned from yesterday, woii— people learned from yesterday, wgg, inoio— people learned from yesterday, well, there were— people learned from yesterday, well, there were two rather i mean, there's— well, there were two rather i mean, there's as— well, there were two rather i mean, there's as long as this gooo— mean, there's as long as this war goes on, the— mean, there's as long as this war goes on, the more we learn oiooi— war goes on, the more we learn oiooi iooooio-o— war goes on, the more we learn about russia's armed forces. and
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of course, there _ about russia's armed forces. and of course, there are— about russia's armed forces. and of course, there are schisms as iooiiono— of course, there are schisms as iooiiono inoi— of course, there are schisms as factions that are _ of course, there are schisms as factions that are fighting onongoi— factions that are fighting amongst themselves, there's a giooi— amongst themselves, there's a gnooi oooi— amongst themselves, there's a giooi oooi oi— amongst themselves, there's a great deal of infighting that noo— great deal of infighting that noo ioon— great deal of infighting that has been bubbling for the oniinoiw— has been bubbling for the oniinoiw oi— has been bubbling for the entirety of this conflict . i entirety of this conflict. i ininn— entirety of this conflict. i own ino— entirety of this conflict. i think the lesson to be learned is think the lesson to be learned io inop— think the lesson to be learned io ppg, woon— think the lesson to be learned is that, yeah, focus on your own niiiiow— is that, yeah, focus on your own niiiiow ,— is that, yeah, focus on your own niiiiow , poi— is that, yeah, focus on your own military , but make— is that, yeah, focus on your own military , but make sure that military, but make sure that inow-no— military, but make sure that inowno noi— military, but make sure that they're not neglected and make inoi— they're not neglected and make inoi inow— they're not neglected and make sure that they receive supplies . oononwioo— sure that they receive supplies . otherwise you— sure that they receive supplies . otherwise you will get people wno— . otherwise you will get people wno oo— . otherwise you will get people wno ooing— . otherwise you will get people who are doing the— . otherwise you will get people who are doing the fighting out. in who are doing the fighting out. in onio— who are doing the fighting out. in inio oooo— who are doing the fighting out. in this case in— who are doing the fighting out. in this case in bakhmut and in pioooo— in this case in bakhmut and in pioooo in— in this case in bakhmut and in places in ukraine,— in this case in bakhmut and in places in ukraine, rebelling ogoinoi— places in ukraine, rebelling against those— places in ukraine, rebelling against those above them that ion-i— against those above them that oon-i-ooo— against those above them that don't-see action- against those above them that don't see action and that don't really see action and that ion-i— don't really see action and that don't particularly— don't really see action and that don't particularly like them or ioon— don't particularly like them or ioon oiion— don't particularly like them or look after them— don't particularly like them or look after them .— don't particularly like them or look after them . i'm not sure look after them. i'm not sure wnono— look after them. i'm not sure wnoio inoi— look after them. i'm not sure where that where— look after them. i'm not sure where that where that russian pniooo— where that where that russian pniooo conno— where that where that russian pniooo oono-i- where that where that russian phrase came i didn't mean. phrase came from. i didn't mean. who— phrase came from. i didn't mean. win-noon— phrase came from. i didn't mean. win-noon. by— phrase came from. i didn't mean. what- mean, by the- phrase came from. i didn't mean. what- mean, by the way,- what did it mean, by the way, danny, saying? what danny, what was he saying? what did it mean? i didn't have a do — did it mean? i didn't have a clue. russian and he hasn't got a clue what you're talking about, henry well, stuck on anyway. no, about, henry well, stuck on anyway . no, no, it's not working anyway. no, no, it's not working . voo— anyway. no, no, it's not working . woo ooio— anyway. no, no, it's not working . woo ooio ii— anyway. no, no, it's not working . you said it again.— no, no, it's not working . you said it again. vostok. wnoii— . you said it again. vostok. wnoio oo— . you said it again. vostok. what? de la— . you said it again. vostok. what? de la tonka . oh, yeah. it; what? de la tonka. oh, yeah. le ioni— what? de la tonka. oh, yeah. le ioni non— what? de la tonka. oh, yeah. le tonk mean anything— what? de la tonka. oh, yeah. le tonk mean anything which is the east. what does it mean? danny it's east. what does it mean? danny ii-o oiooi— east. what does it mean? danny it's about three— east. what does it mean? danny
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it's about three random words put together . ba.2 edwards, put together. ba.2 edwards, nooon— put together. ba.2 edwards, peter edwards. _ put together. ba.2 edwards, peter edwards. the- g ba.2 edwards, peter edwards. f: put together. ba.2 edwards, peter edwards. the second lesson to be learned . now i'm moving to be learned. now i'm moving on. sorry. sorry. i'm just going to get to the second point, is that there was a lot of coverage, but what it showed was that the west got behind yevgeny prigozhin, who saw the prigozhin, who they saw as the embodiment of evil before as a volatile, leader of volatile, evil leader of mercenaries. and they welcomed him mercenaries. and they welcomed nin oo— mercenaries. and they welcomed nin oo o— mercenaries. and they welcomed nin oo o-oo— mercenaries. and they welcomed him as a-as somebody- ”ec; and they welcomed him as a as somebody to him as a hero, as somebody to oooi— him as a hero, as somebody to oooi ioiin— him as a hero, as somebody to oust putin, which,— him as a hero, as somebody to oust putin, which, course, oust putin, which, of course, was-intention- oust putin, which, of course, was-intention of. was never the intention of wowgonw— was never the intention of yevgeny prigozhin . it was to yevgeny prigozhin. it was to oinpiw— yevgeny prigozhin. it was to oinpiw wing— yevgeny prigozhin. it was to simply bring in— yevgeny prigozhin. it was to simply bring in some changes to the simply bring in some changes to no io— simply bring in some changes to no io ino— simply bring in some changes to the to the defence— simply bring in some changes to the to the defence ministry. but it the to the defence ministry. but i iooi— the to the defence ministry. but i iooi onowo— the to the defence ministry. but it just shows that,— the to the defence ministry. but it just shows that, yeah, people do poi— it just shows that, yeah, people do poilioi— it just shows that, yeah, people do poilioi oi— it just shows that, yeah, people do put lot of attention on do put a lot of attention on iooooio— do put a lot of attention on iooooio oni— do put a lot of attention on russia and it— do put a lot of attention on russia and it is— do put a lot of attention on russia and it is the wrong oiioniion— russia and it is the wrong attention because i mean, these russia and it is the wrong attepeople ecause i mean, these russia and it is the wrong attepeople ecauzwerefean, these russia and it is the wrong attepeople ecauzwere portrayede are people that were portrayed as are people that were portrayed oo ino— are people that were portrayed oo ino wow— are people that were portrayed as the very embodiment of evil iooi— as the very embodiment of evil iooi ioiono— as the very embodiment of evil just before yesterday and then so poi— just before yesterday and then so ioi oioo— just before yesterday and then so but also it— just before yesterday and then so but also it does show that ino— so but also it does show that no oooon— so but also it does show that the reason why— so but also it does show that the reason why prigozhin was ooiooiiw— the reason why prigozhin was ooiooiiw ongw— the reason why prigozhin was actually angry was because his iioopo— actually angry was because his noopo wooni— actually angry was because his troops weren't getting these iningo— troops weren't getting these iningo inoi— troops weren't getting these things that they need. �*" things that they need. so if iioi-o— things that they need. so if iioi-o ino— things that they need. so if that's the case,— things that they need. so if that's the case, then , of that's the case, then, of course, with our troops, if we're not getting the things that may that they need, they may well decide they want be decide they don't want to be part the army. peter edwards part of the army. peter edwards well, all
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well, in britain, across all parties and parts society, parties and parts of society, we've show great praise we've got a show great praise and for brave and gratitude for our brave armed forces, that's armed forces, and that's something does very something this channel does very regularly. david cameron the cooiiiion— regularly. david cameron the coalition cut— regularly. david cameron the coalition cut the— 31,» david cameron the coalition cut the number of onion— coalition cut the number of soldiers-have- coalition cut the number of- soldiers-have-equipment soldiers. we have less equipment inon— soldiers. we have less equipment inon wo— soldiers. we have less equipment now than we used— soldiers. we have less equipment now than we used to. i don't inink— now than we used to. i don't own inoi— now than we used to. i don't think that was— now than we used to. i don't think that was the right thing to think that was the right thing io oo— think that was the right thing io ooo-oi— think that was the right thing to do,-atltime- think that was the right thing to do,-atltime of- think that was the right thing to do, at time of public to do, even at a time of public oponoing— to do, even at a time of public oponoing ooio— to do, even at a time of public spending cuts. but— to do, even at a time of public spending cuts. but we've got to be spending cuts. but we've got to io-onioin-o— spending cuts. but we've got to be britain's strength be clear that britain's strengthi oonoo—ino comes apart. it comes from the nonnoio— comes apart. it comes from the nonnoio , poi— comes apart. it comes from the numbers , but it— comes apart. it comes from the numbers , but it comes other numbers, but it comes from other iningo— numbers, but it comes from other iningo-iino— numbers, but it comes from other things-like being- things as well, like being a nooooii— things as well, like being a. nooioon—ino nuclear power, upholding the noio— nuclear power, upholding the noioliow— nuclear power, upholding the rule-law and— nuclear power, upholding the rule law and being part of rule of law and being part of noio. — rule of law and being part of noio. poi— rule of law and being part of noio. poi oo— rule of law and being part of nato. but do we— rule of law and being part of nato. but do we need to invest more _own people - nato. but do we need to invest more own people because more in our own people because wo-io—wnoio- we're focusing on this whole iningo — we're focusing on this whole thing? .other-andl we're focusing on this whole. thing? .other-and as thing? the other day and as danny out, suddenly danny pointed out, suddenly forgotten this forgotten was this this potential person who take potential person who could take down ben habib well, down putin. ben habib well, i completely agree that we've got to more our military. to invest more in our military. we've been hollowing them out, ioning— we've been hollowing them out, taking-dividend- so—called peace dividend ooiooiiw— so—called peace dividend actually since _ so—called peace dividend actually since the late 80s. inio— actually since the late 80s. inio io— actually since the late 80s. inio io o— actually since the late 80s. inio io o wow— actually since the late 80s. this is a very old phenomena and ooon— this is a very old phenomena and owow ino— this is a very old phenomena and every time there's— this is a very old phenomena and every time there's some action onnwoonoo in— every time there's some action somewhere in the— every time there's some action somewhere in the world where nnioin— somewhere in the world where britain wants— somewhere in the world where britain wants to— somewhere in the world where britain wants to come along as the britain wants to come along as no us-o— britain wants to come along as the us's puppy— britain wants to come along as the us's puppy dog, we put our oinoo— the us's puppy dog, we put our oinoo ioo— the us's puppy dog, we put our armed forces at— the us's puppy dog, we put our armed forces at risk . and often armed forces at risk. and often wiinooi— armed forces at risk. and often wiinooi ino— armed forces at risk. and often without the right—
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armed forces at risk. and often without the right ,— armed forces at risk. and often without the right , without the without the right, without the igni— without the right, without the right equipment. i mean, there nowo— right equipment. i mean, there nowo ooon— right equipment. i mean, there have been complaints about this for have been complaints about this ion ooon— have been complaints about this ion wooio inoi— have been complaints about this for years that they— have been complaints about this for years that they have to go no— for years that they have to go into conflict _ for years that they have to go into conflict zones without the igni— into conflict zones without the iigni—nooii into conflict zones without the i right _ must invest right support and we must invest i— right support and we must invest iininn— right support and we must invest more. i think we're— right support and we must invest more. i think we're the only noiion— more. i think we're the only nation _with- nation in europe, with the oxoopiion— nation in europe, with the exception greece and perhaps exception of greece and perhaps 1 2 exception of greece and perhaps 1immers— exception of greece and perhaps 1.2 others that— exception of greece and perhaps 1 2 others that meets its 1 or 2 others that meets its wno— 1 or 2 others that meets its nato commitments, just nato commitments, but only just and nato commitments, but only just on goi— nato commitments, but only just on goi io— nato commitments, but only just and we've got to do— nato commitments, but only just and we've got to do more for the iiniioo— and we've got to do more for the united kingdom. _ and we've got to do more for the united kingdom. vic“ »:»::» united kingdom. well, do you know— united kingdom. well, do you know what talked armed know what we talked about? armed forces if you forces day? give me a nod if you knew it was armed forces knew that it was armed forces day , just to who day yesterday, just to those who were know ? did were there, did you know? did you yeah. did you hear you know? yeah. did you hear much it? no. no, much about it? no. no, not a thing. right well, listen, i've got to say, thank you very much to editor to peter edwards, former editor of me. of labourlist, for joining me. international of labourlist, for joining me. internécontrol expert henry border control expert henry bolton. ben obe, former brexit party mep, and danny party mep, and also danny armstrong , political armstrong, political commentator. very much commentator. thank you very much . right. well, you're me. . right. well, you're with me. i'm this news i'm nana akua this is gb news on tv, and on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. after the break, we'll continue with debate. with the great british debate. this is it time this hour. i'm asking is it time to on own military? to focus on our own military? you'll thoughts of my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, author and broadcaster christine also christine hamilton, also broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. let's get your kelly. but first, let's get your latest headlines .
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kelly. but first, let's get your latest headlines. it's kelly. but first, let's get your latest headlines . it's 433. latest news headlines. it's 433. i'm aaron armstrong— latest news headlines. it's 433. i'm aaron armstrong with- : it's 433. i'm aaron armstrong with the noooiinoo— i'm aaron armstrong with the headlines in— i'm aaron armstrong with the headlines in the— i'm aaron armstrong with the headlines in the gb news room. ino— headlines in the gb news room. ino oniioo— headlines in the gb news room. the united states— headlines in the gb news room. the united states says wooioioow-o— the united states says yesterday's armed rebellion in iooooio— yesterday's armed rebellion in iooooio wo— yesterday's armed rebellion in iooooio o— yesterday's armed rebellion in russia was a direct challenge to viooinii— russia was a direct challenge to vladimir-authority- russia was a direct challenge to vladimir authority and vladimir putin's authority and owoooi— vladimir putin's authority and reveals cracks— vladimir putin's authority and reveals cracks appearing in his niiiiow— reveals cracks appearing in his military strategy. _ reveals cracks appearing in his military strategy. the by military strategy. the mutiny by the military strategy. the mutiny by no wognon— military strategy. the mutiny by the wagner mercenary group was ooiioo— the wagner mercenary group was ooiioo oii— the wagner mercenary group was called off late— the wagner mercenary group was called off late last— the wagner mercenary group was called off late last night. it's onooniooo— called off late last night. it's understood its— called off late last night. it's understood its leader, yevgeny inigoznin— understood its leader, yevgeny inigoznin ,— understood its leader, yevgeny prigozhin , will— understood its leader, yevgeny prigozhin , will be exiled to prigozhin, will be exiled to noioioo— prigozhin, will be exiled to ooionoo .— prigozhin, will be exiled to belarus. his— prigozhin, will be exiled to belarus. his fighters were en iooio— belarus. his fighters were en nooio io— belarus. his fighters were en route to moscow— belarus. his fighters were en route to moscow to remove iooooion— route to moscow to remove russian commanders. prigozhin iionoo— russian commanders. prigozhin iionoo ion— russian commanders. prigozhin blames for mishandling the war. aninonw— blames for mishandling the war. anthony blinken,_ blames for mishandling the war. anthony blinken, the secretary of anthony blinken, the secretary oi sioio— anthony blinken, the secretary oi sioio ion— anthony blinken, the secretary of state for the _ anthony blinken, the secretary of state for the us, says it oooio— of state for the us, says it could affect— of state for the us, says it could affect moscow's capabilities- could affect moscow's capabilities in ukraine. to the exon— capabilities in ukraine. to the oxioni onio— capabilities in ukraine. to the extent this presents a distraction , a loss of focus for distraction, a loss of focus for the russians, that may help the ukrainians on the battlefield . ukrainians on the battlefield. and this really is fundamental an internal matter for the russians. we're seeing it. we're seeing it unfold again. we saw the rising tensions over over over several months that led to this. but exactly where this
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goes, we don't know. but what we do know is that we've seen real cracks emerge . the prime cracks emerge. the prime minister has set out what he's calling the biggest workforce training expansion of the nhs. writing in the sunday times, mr sonon— writing in the sunday times, mr sonon oowo— writing in the sunday times, mr sonon oowo nio— writing in the sunday times, mr sunak says his long term wowionoo— sunak says his long term workforce plan- sunak says his long term workforce plan will aim to iron— workforce plan will aim to train, retain— workforce plan will aim to train, retain and reform the oopononooo— train, retain and reform the experienced staff. he says as a oooniw— experienced staff. he says as a oooniw wo— experienced staff. he says as a oooniw wo now— experienced staff. he says as a country we rely on— experienced staff. he says as a country we rely on attracting ioionioo— country we rely on attracting talented people _ country we rely on attracting talented people from overseas noiion— talented people from overseas noinon inon— talented people from overseas rather than recruiting at home. mr rather than recruiting at home. iii sonon— rather than recruiting at home. mr sunak described the 15 year pion— mr sunak described the 15 year pion oo— mr sunak described the 15 year pion oo ino— mr sunak described the 15 year plan as the cornerstone of his gowonnnon-io— plan as the cornerstone of his government's vision for a better nooiin— government's vision for a better nooiin oono— government's vision for a better health care system— government's vision for a better health care system . now in the health care system. now in the iinoi— health care system. now in the iinoi oonoon— health care system. now in the final chance to— health care system. now in the final chance to see music legend sir final chance to see music legend sin iiion— final chance to see music legend g. inon gonn— final chance to see music legend sir elton john is— final chance to see music legend sir elton john is fast approaching. well, we think it's the approaching. well, we think it's no iinoi— approaching. well, we think it's the final chance— approaching. well, we think it's the final chance the rocket man oowo— the final chance the rocket man oowo no-o— the final chance the rocket man oowo no-o nonging— the final chance the rocket man says he's hanging up his hat, his says he's hanging up his hat, nio iinoi— says he's hanging up his hat, his final show— says he's hanging up his hat, his final show in— says he's hanging up his hat, his final show in the uk will be onio— his final show in the uk will be inio owoning— his final show in the uk will be this evening at— his final show in the uk will be this evening at the— his final show in the uk will be this evening at the gloucester noo— this evening at the gloucester free festival.— this evening at the gloucester free festival. the— this evening at the gloucester free festival. the event's co—organiser_ free festival. the event's co—organiser has teased details of co—organiser has teased details oi nio— co—organiser has teased details oi nio pwonio— co—organiser has teased details of his pyramid stage show, saying— of his pyramid stage show, oowing no-o— of his pyramid stage show, saying he's been carving out a
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british debate. this hour. and i-n-ii iino- british debate. this hour. and i'm _it time to - british debate. this hour. and i'm it time to focus i'm asking, is it time to focus on i'm asking, is it time to focus o-own— i'm asking, is it time to focus on-own military- i'm asking, is it time to focus on own military now , on our own military now, wooioioow— on our own military now, yesterday, media reacted yesterday, the media reacted iioniiooiiw— yesterday, the media reacted frantically to _ yesterday, the media reacted frantically to mutinous russian mercenary fighters marching iowoioo— mercenary fighters marching towards moscow, presenting putin wiin— towards moscow, presenting putin wiin ino— towards moscow, presenting putin wiin ino nooo— towards moscow, presenting putin with the most serious challenge to with the most serious challenge io nio— with the most serious challenge io nio grip— with the most serious challenge io nio grip on— with the most serious challenge to his grip on power in his 23 wooi— to his grip on power in his 23 woon noio— to his grip on power in his 23 woon noio .— to his grip on power in his 23 wooi noio . ai— to his grip on power in his 23 year rule . at the— to his grip on power in his 23 year rule . at the same time, year rule. at the same time, inoogn— year rule. at the same time, though, thousands thousands ino— though, thousands thousands across the uk— though, thousands thousands across the uk turned out to pay inoii— across the uk turned out to pay inoii noopooio— across the uk turned out to pay their respects, marking armed ioooo— their respects, marking armed ioooo pow.— their respects, marking armed forces day. but— their respects, marking armed forces day. but as castor ooionoo— forces day. but as castor defence budget continues and i i— defence budget continues and i i iooi— defence budget continues and i mean, i just wanted to know wnoinoi— mean, i just wanted to know wnoinon ino — mean, i just wanted to know whether the nation should ooiooiiw— whether the nation should ooiooiiw io— whether the nation should actually be focusing on issues ooooi— actually be focusing on issues ooooi io— actually be focusing on issues closer to home— actually be focusing on issues closer to home because the coverage that— closer to home because the coverage that that got the putin noiinw — coverage that that got the putin mutiny, potential— coverage that that got the putin mutiny, potential mutiny was nogo,— mutiny, potential mutiny was nogo, poi— mutiny, potential mutiny was nogo, poi woo— mutiny, potential mutiny was huge, but yet yesterday was oinoo— huge, but yet yesterday was armed forces— huge, but yet yesterday was armed forces day. earlier this wooi— armed forces day. earlier this wook ,— armed forces day. earlier this wook , niiiiow— armed forces day. earlier this week , military chief sir tim week, military chief sir tim ioooioio— week, military chief sir tim radford warned— week, military chief sir tim radford warned britain's onninking— radford warned britain's shrinking armed forces are woononing— shrinking armed forces are weakening its— shrinking armed forces are weakening its influence on nato oiioi— weakening its influence on nato oiioi ino— weakening its influence on nato after the british _ weakening its influence on nato after the british army announced after the british army announced o nooooiion— after the british army announced o iooooiion oi— after the british army announced a reduction of 3000 serving inoopo— a reduction of 3000 serving iioopo .— a reduction of 3000 serving noopo . so— a reduction of 3000 serving troops . so for— a reduction of 3000 serving troops . so for the great british troops. so for the great british ooioio— troops. so for the great british ooioio onio— troops. so for the great british debate this hour,— troops. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it debate this hour, i'm asking, is i ino— debate this hour, i'm asking, is i iino ion— debate this hour, i'm asking, is i iino ion oo— debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time for us to— debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time for us to focus on our niiiiowi— it time for us to focus on our own military? well, joining me to own military? well, joining me io oiooooo— own military? well, joining me to discuss-panel.- own military? well, joining me to discuss panel. broadcaster own military? well, joining me to d author panel. broadcaster own military? well, joining me to d author christine broadcaster own military? well, joining me to d author christine hamilton,er and author christine hamilton, oioo— and author christine hamilton, also broadcaster— and author christine hamilton, also broadcaster and journalist oonnw— also broadcaster and journalist danny-christine -
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also broadcaster and journalist danny christine oh, danny danny kelly. christine oh, danny , in— danny kelly. christine oh, danny , in going— danny kelly. christine oh, danny ,i-n going io— danny kelly. christine oh, danny , i'm going to start— danny kelly. christine oh, danny , i'm going to start with you. wnoi— , i'm going to start with you. wnoi oo— , i'm going to start with you. wnoi oo woo— , i'm going to start with you. what do you think? is it time? i ii— what do you think? is it time? i i o— what do you think? is it time? i mean, was it a bit— what do you think? is it time? i mean, was it a bit i— what do you think? is it time? i mean, was it a bit i mean, wooioioow— mean, was it a bit i mean, wooioioow wo— mean, was it a bit i mean, yesterday we talked about it, poi— yesterday we talked about it, ioi ii— yesterday we talked about it, but it turned _ yesterday we talked about it, but it turned .not- yesterday we talked about it, but it turned not to be but it turned out not to be noon. — but it turned out not to be much. .overkill? - but it turned out not to be much. overkill? christine? much. is it overkill? christine? cnnoiino— much. is it overkill? christine? christine you're— much. is it overkill? christine? christine you're talking to oonnw. — christine you're talking to danny- voo— christine you're talking to danny. you said- christine you're talking to danny. 4:3». »: jemy christine you're talking to danny. 413.53»: j3y no, danny. you said danny. no, ioooooo— danny. you said danny. no, ioooooo no— danny. you said danny. no, because he did— danny. you said danny. no, because he did a— danny. 413.53: j3y no, because he did a funny face. danny. 4:3». : j " y no, because he did a funny face. and i because he did a funny face. and i ooioi— because he did a funny face. and i said, christine,— because he did a funny face. and i said, christine,-so- because he did a funny face. and i said, christine, so sorry. i said, christine, i'm so sorry. i said, christine, i'm so sorry. i-iioioning— i said, christine, i'm so sorry. i-iioioning io- i said, christine, i'm so sorry. i-listening to the- i wasn't listening to the question because i thought you were danny. were directing it to danny. well, it's the same. should we concentrate course we concentrate on our of course we should. army is now should. i mean, our army is now i we've got 70,000 people should. i mean, our army is now i the we've got 70,000 people should. i mean, our army is now i the army. that's,000 people should. i mean, our army is now i the army. that's not) people should. i mean, our army is now i the army. that's not evenple should. i mean, our army is now i the army. that's not even an in the army. that's not even an onw— in the army. that's not even an onnwliio— in the army. that's not even an onnwliii — in the army. that's not even an army,.it? fewer— in the army. that's not even an army,.it? fewer than- in the army. that's not even an army, it? fewer than that? army, is it? fewer than that? i think 60 odd six. think 60 odd thousand six. well, go. going down well, there you go. going down by well, there you go. going down ioo—oono- by the minute. of course, we onooio. — by the minute. of course, we should. _we've- by the minute. of course, we. should. _we've .we've should. i mean, we've got we've got should. i mean, we've got we've goo-oinoioii— should. i mean, we've got we've got-aircraft carriers,- should. i mean, we've got we've got aircraft carriers, but got two aircraft carriers, but onw— got two aircraft carriers, but oniw—oooo- got two aircraft carriers, but. only _ used because only one is ever used because ino— only one is ever used because oio-io— only one is ever used because ino-io ioing- only one is ever used because the-is being used. only one is ever used because the is being used for the other one is being used for opoio— the other one is being used for opoio-wo— the other one is being used for spare-we couldn't- spare parts. we couldn't afford the spare parts. we couldn't afford| ino—inon. the aeroplanes to fly off them. of the aeroplanes to fly off them. oi ooono— the aeroplanes to fly off them. of course, . should - the aeroplanes to fly off them. of course, should the we of course, we should wear the we are of course, we should wear the we oio-oi— of course, we should wear the we oio-oi-wiio- are one of the few nato oonnooi— are one of the few nato countries that- are one of the few nato countries that spend that. that oooo— countries that spend that. that does contribute— countries that spend that. that does contribute suit. the are oiioiioo— does contribute suit. the are allotted amount— does contribute suit. the are allotted amount to nato oponiing— allotted amount to nato oponoing. wo— allotted amount to nato spending. we can't depend on the iiniioo— spending. we can't depend on the iiniioo sioioo— spending. we can't depend on the united states to— spending. we can't depend on the united states to protect europe forever. everybody has to step up forever. everybody has to step op io— forever. everybody has to step op io ino— forever. everybody has to step up to the mark.— forever. everybody has to step up to the mark. germany has nioooo— up to the mark. germany has increased their— up to the mark. germany has increased their spending a oonoin— increased their spending a certain amount, but yes, at our poni— certain amount, but yes, at our poni. i— certain amount, but yes, at our poni. i noon— certain amount, but yes, at our peril. i mean, the— certain amount, but yes, at our peril. i mean, the very first ooiw— peril. i mean, the very first ooiw oi— peril. i mean, the very first ooiw oi onw—
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peril. i mean, the very first duty of any government is to pioiooi— duty of any government is to pioiooi ino— duty of any government is to protect the citizens, both at nono— protect the citizens, both at nono oni— protect the citizens, both at home and abroad. and that's inoi-o— home and abroad. and that's inoi-o ino— home and abroad. and that's that's the police— home and abroad. and that's that's the police and our ooionoo.— that's the police and our defence. and— that's the police and our defence. and it's lamentable for our defence. and it's lamentable for giooi— defence. and it's lamentable for our once great nation and ononnoooiw— our once great nation and enormously famous seafaring noiion— enormously famous seafaring noiion .— enormously famous seafaring noiion . wo— enormously famous seafaring nation . we have— enormously famous seafaring nation . we have just allowed it nation. we have just allowed it all nation. we have just allowed it oii io— nation. we have just allowed it all to dwindle— nation. we have just allowed it all to dwindle away. well, iiioioiiw— all to dwindle away. well, literally, the _ all to dwindle away. well, literally, the first five pages of literally, the first five pages oi iiionoiiw— literally, the first five pages of literally every newspaper wooioioow— of literally every newspaper wooioioow woo— of literally every newspaper yesterday was about putin. yesterday was all about putin. noiio— yesterday was all about putin. ioiin-ioiin. — yesterday was all about putin. putin.-putin. and- putin. putin. putin. and somewhere it was somewhere along the back, it was the this armed the mention of this armed forces day. just i just thought day. and i just i just thought to hang on a minute. to myself, hang on a minute. i'll we need to i'll respect that. we need to see on in russia, see what's going on in russia, because it affects us the because it affects us in the end. but what about our own? well, i was as well . i disagree well, i was as well. i disagree with well, i was as well. i disagree win win— well, i was as well. i disagree with with the _ well, i was as well. i disagree with with the thought- viii“ i disagree with with the thought process ionino— with with the thought process ionino wooi— with with the thought process behind your comment there, ioooooo— behind your comment there, because how— behind your comment there, because how do— behind your comment there, because how do you know what my inoogni— because how do you know what my inoogni poo— because how do you know what my thought process is?— because how do you know what my thought process is? well allow me thought process is? well allow no io— thought process is? well allow no io nowo— thought process is? well allow no io nowo o— thought process is? well allow me to have a pop.— thought process is? well allow me to have a pop. you were oowing— me to have a pop. you were oowing inoo— me to have a pop. you were saying that basically the front pages— saying that basically the front pogoo ono— saying that basically the front pages are necessarily were full of pages are necessarily were full oi—oo— pages are necessarily were full oi—oo woii. - pages are necessarily were full of_as well. andl of it's all there as well. and onio— of it's all there as well. and iiio io— of it's all there as well. and iiio io onio— of it's all there as well. and this is this would be an absolute. but that could that could be exactly. really? yeah we could be on i'm f: »:j;,io
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exactly. _my point. - the armed forces day. yes. well, exactly. _my point. i'm. the armed forces day. yes. well, exaisaying-my point. i'm. the armed forces day. yes. well, exai53y g " not saying that we shouldn't cover saying cover it. i'm saying that we focus of to our focus on all of this to our peril need. but that peril because we need. but that poioniioiiw— potentially could have been a coin— potentially could have been a own nnonnoni— potentially could have been a 9/11 moment. and that's why the popono— 9/11 moment. and that's why the popono. ooon— 9/11 moment. and that's why the popono. ooon-wnw- papers. yeah, that's why the popono—ii- papers. yeah, that's why the popono—ii .- papers. yeah, that's why the popono—ii . so- papers. yeah, that's why the papers—it . so are papers are full of it. so are you— papers are full of it. so are woo oowing— papers are full of it. so are you saying that— papers are full of it. so are you saying that if there wasn't onio— you saying that if there wasn't this potential— you saying that if there wasn't this potential mutiny, the armed iooo— this potential mutiny, the armed ionoo—ooon- this potential mutiny, the armedi forces,_been on forces, they should have been on the forces, they should have been on oio—iooo- forces, they should have been on ino—iooi oowingl the front? no, i'm just saying inoo— the front? no, i'm just saying inoi—iooooingl that whilst we're focusing noowiiw— that whilst we're focusing noowiiw-ii- that whilst we're focusing heavily it would that whilst we're focusing- heavily-it would have heavily on this, it would have ooon— heavily on this, it would have ioonooo-— heavily on this, it would have- been-see-prominence been nice to see some prominence to been nice to see some prominence io—oo— been nice to see some prominence io—oo woii- to our armed forces as well, ioooooo— to our armed forces as well, because-we're- to our armed forces as well, because we're focusing on because whilst we're focusing on all because whilst we're focusing on oii-nowo— because whilst we're focusing on oii-nowo-inoil all this, we have to think that if all this, we have to think that iiloooo— all this, we have to think that ifldoes become— all this, we have to think that ifldoes become a- all this, we have to think that if does become a big deal or if it does become a big deal or inono— if it does become a big deal or oioo—won,- if it does become a big deal or there _war, what. if it does become a big deal or. there _war, what have there is some big war, what have we there is some big war, what have wo goii — there is some big war, what have we got? because— there is some big war, what have we got? , "it; there is some big war, what have we got? , f g we got? because we're focusing on this. we're giving weapons to ukraine, fine. ukraine, that's fine. if everyone's but everyone's happy with that. but what our own armed forces? what about our own armed forces? because the because ukraine is fighting the for war us at the moment. that is the big but if it does- is the big but if it does opnoooi— is the big but if it does spread, then- is the big but if it does spread, then we've nothing spread, then we've got nothing on — spread, then we've got nothing on oonnw— spread, then we've got nothing left. danny but— spread, then we've got nothing left. danny but we're- spread, then we've got nothing left. j3y left. danny but we're part of nato, we're part of nato, aren't we? we're part of a ooiiooiiwo— nato, aren't we? we're part of a collective. we're— nato, aren't we? we're part of a collective. we're-of- nato, aren't we? we're part of a collective. we're-of we've. collective. we're part of we've got— collective. we're part of we've goi ooooo— collective. we're part of we've got 65,000 - don't - collective. we're part of we've got 65,000 don't know collective. we're part of we've got imany) don't know collective. we're part of we've got imany germany, don't know collective. we're part of we've got imany germany, italy, know collective. we're part of we've got imany germany, italy, france, how many germany, italy, france, all how many germany, italy, france, oii—nowo- all of these nations have tens or all of these nations have tens on-oi— all of these nations have tens or-of thousands- all of these nations have tens or-of thousands of. or hundreds of thousands of inoopo. — or hundreds of thousands of inoopo. _oono- or hundreds of thousands of troops. _sure that| or hundreds of thousands of. troops. _sure that we troops. so i'm not sure that we nooo— troops. so i'm not sure that we nooo io— troops. so i'm not sure that we nooo io io— troops. so i'm not sure that we need to be sort— troops. so i'm not sure that we need to be sort of— troops. so i'm not sure that we need to be sort of like the big guy— need to be sort of like the big guylthe_ need to be sort of like the big guy the classroom i guy in the classroom here. i ininn— guy in the classroom here. i own wo— guy in the classroom here. i think we can— guy in the classroom here. i think we can be— guy in the classroom here. i think we can be the guy, think we can be the small guy, nooiiw— think we can be the small guy, nooiiw oon— think we can be the small guy, nooiiw woo— think we can be the small guy, really can you are— think we can be the small guy, really can you are you speaking ion— really can you are you speaking from experience— really can you are you speaking from experience or— really can you are you speaking from experience or you don't
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nooo— from experience or you don't nooo-io— from experience or you don't need i be walking - from experience or you don't need be walking into all of need to be walking into all of inoo— need to be walking into all of no pig,— need to be walking into all of no big, ioo— need to be walking into all of that big, fat man— need to be walking into all of that big, fat man ? we don't we that big, fat man? we don't we oon-i— that big, fat man? we don't we oon-i nooo— that big, fat man? we don't we oon-i nooo io— that big, fat man? we don't we don't need to be— that big, fat man? we don't we don't need to be the big bruiser ioooooo— don't need to be the big bruiser because we're friends with the big because we're friends with the pig pnoioon— because we're friends with the big bruiser-being- because we're friends with the big bruiser being the big bruiser without being the big bruiser without being the pig-inn— big bruiser without being the big-i'm talking- big bruiser without being the. big-i'm talking about big bruiser. i'm talking about our i look, our armed forces. i mean, look, we've we've don't have we've lost we've don't have enough we don't enough troops. 70,000. we don't have troops. for what, have enough troops. for what, though? for war. if there is war, you. we're part of war, how do you. we're part of noio. — war, how do you. we're part of nato. that doesn't war, how do you. we're part of nato. that that doesn't war, how do you. we're part of nato. that shouldn't oesn't mean that we shouldn't look after have here. i mean, after what we have here. i mean, there's not even enough- there's not even enough ogoipnoni— there's not even enough ogoipnoni . - there's not even enough equipment. 337“ e there's not even enough- equipment. _aren't going to equipment. nato aren't going to be comes it. be happy when it comes to it. if go, well, got if we go, well, we've only got poppe— if we go, well, we've only got iopoo inoopo— if we go, well, we've only got 70,000 troops, we'll take your ozoopoo — 70,000 troops, we'll take your ozoopoo _in— 70,000 troops, we'll take your £200,000 - in my - i £200,000 each in my heart, i wooio— £200,000 each in my heart, i wooio-ooo— £200,000 each in my heart, i would-see-armedl would like to see our armed iooo— would like to see our armed forces .vastly_ would like to see our armed forces vastly greater forces of vastly greater oinongin. — forces of vastly greater strength-it- forces of vastly greater strength.-it all. forces of vastly greater. strength.-it all costs strength. but it all costs money. at the moment we are money. and at the moment we are in deep doo doo financially as a country. are we going country. where are we going to get well giving get the money? well we're giving it some of the money it all to take some of the money that we're spending on things like on like hs2, for example, and on net all that nonsense, net zero and all that nonsense, 11 a year. well, let's 11 billion a year. well, let's see 11 billion a year. well, let's wnoi— 11 billion a year. well, let's see what the _ 11 billion a year. well, let's see what the others- “ cc well, let's see what the others think, poooooo— see what the others think,. because—nothing because the show is nothing wiinooi— because the show is nothing| wiinooi—o because the show is nothing- without_a great without them. let's mark a great british opportunity british voice. your opportunity to show and tell to be on the show and tell me what the topics what you think about the topics we're head we're discussing. let's head over have over to bristol. let's have a chat with regular gb news voice, over to bristol. let's have a chatharris. agular gb news voice, over to bristol. let's have a chatharris. lee ar gb news voice, over to bristol. let's have a chatharris. lee come news voice, over to bristol. let's have a chatharris. lee come on.is voice, over to bristol. let's have a
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chatharris. lee come on. are)ice, over to bristol. let's have a chatharris. lee come on. are we, lee harris. lee come on. are we sort of focusing so heavily on russell that we seem to have lost sight of own, our own lost sight of our own, our own fame ? yeah, i think i think fame? yeah, i think i think there is definitely something to that. and i agree with there is definitely something to that . and i agree with you 100% that. and i agree with you 100% inop— that. and i agree with you 100% no wo— that. and i agree with you 100% that we should,— that. and i agree with you 100% that we should, as— and i agree with you 100% that we should, as christine iooo— that we should, as christine iooi ooip— that we should, as christine just said, defence should be the iinoi— just said, defence should be the iinoi pnioniiw— just said, defence should be the first priority of— just said, defence should be the first priority of any— just said, defence should be the first priority of any government . ano— first priority of any government . ano oo— first priority of any government . and as other— first priority of any government . and as other guests have oinooow— . and as other guests have already said— . and as other guests have already said by— . and as other guests have already said by 2025, the size of already said by 2025, the size oi ino— already said by 2025, the size of the british _ already said by 2025, the size of the british army will be at its smallest— of the british army will be at its smallest since the year woo,— its smallest since the year pop, on— its smallest since the year 1740, an apparently with just inp— 1740, an apparently with just up nogoion— 1740, an apparently with just 72.5 regular 1000 regular ooioiono— 72.5 regular 1000 regular soldiers, which was about iooooo— soldiers, which was about 100,000 when _ soldiers, which was about 100,000 when the conservatives inio — 100,000 when the conservatives came into power— 100,000 when the conservatives came into power .— 100,000 when the conservatives came into power. and as you were nigniiw— came into power. and as you were nigniiw oowing— came into power. and as you were rightly sayingo it's_ came into power. and as you were rightly saying, it's not just ponoonnoi— rightly saying, it's not just personnel either. the number of ionoo— personnel either. the number of ionno ono— personnel either. the number of tanks are being— personnel either. the number of tanks are being cut. the raf is iooing— tanks are being cut. the raf is iooing zo— tanks are being cut. the raf is iooing zo oi— tanks are being cut. the raf is losing 24 of its— tanks are being cut. the raf is losing 24 of its older typhoon ioio. — losing 24 of its older typhoon ioio. no— losing 24 of its older typhoon jets. its fleet— losing 24 of its older typhoon jets. its fleet of— losing 24 of its older typhoon jets. its fleet of hercules inonopono— jets. its fleet of hercules transports aircraft are going as woii— transports aircraft are going as woii. ino— transports aircraft are going as well. the royal— transports aircraft are going as well. the royal navy are noiining— well. the royal navy are retiring two _ well. the royal navy are retiring two of- well. the royal navy are retiring two of its older inigoioo— retiring two of its older frigates early- retiring two of its older frigates early before the new ones come into— frigates early before the new ones come into service , which ones come into service, which oppononiiw— ones come into service, which means apparently about 25% of ones come into service, which merfrigatesrrently about 25% of ones come into service, which merfrigates are :ly about 25% of ones come into service, which merfrigates are in about 25% of ones come into service, which merfrigates are in refit.: 25% of ones come into service, which merfrigates are in refit. it5% of ones come into service, which merfrigates are in refit. it is» of our frigates are in refit. it is a our frigates are in refit. it is o pogo— our frigates are in refit. it is a huge concern.— our frigates are in refit. it is a huge concern. i- our frigates are in refit. it is a huge concern. i i probably, iino— a huge concern. i i probably, iiio nooo— a huge concern. i i probably, like most people— a huge concern. i i probably, like most people do support noiping— like most people do support helping ukraine the best we can. i helping ukraine the best we can. i popo— helping ukraine the best we can. i nopo wo—
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helping ukraine the best we can. i nopo wo oon— helping ukraine the best we can. i hope we can continue to do so. poi— i hope we can continue to do so. poi oiooo— i hope we can continue to do so. but serious questions do need to be but serious questions do need to po oonoo— but serious questions do need to be asked about— but serious questions do need to be asked about leaving our own niiiionw— be asked about leaving our own military equipped— be asked about leaving our own military equipped and how of course is going— military equipped and how of course is going to impact our ooionooo— course is going to impact our own defences in— course is going to impact our own defences in the future . what own defences in the future. what i own defences in the future. what i iino— own defences in the future. what i iino goiio— own defences in the future. what i find quite worrying is ben woiiooo— i find quite worrying is ben wallace said— i find quite worrying is ben wallace said that the army is iino— wallace said that the army is iiio o— wallace said that the army is no o iino — wallace said that the army is like a fine wine— wallace said that the army is like a fine wine that had gone pw— like a fine wine that had gone pw opooi— like a fine wine that had gone over by about 15— like a fine wine that had gone over by about 15 years ago. lord wick— over by about 15 years ago. lord wion nowon— over by about 15 years ago. lord nick hewer barton,— over by about 15 years ago. lord nick hewer barton, who was the opioi— nick hewer barton, who was the onioi oi— nick hewer barton, who was the chief of defence— nick hewer barton, who was the chief of defence staff between pop— chief of defence staff between pop ono— chief of defence staff between 2013 and 2016,— chief of defence staff between 2013 and 2016, said it was a noiionoi— 2013 and 2016, said it was a national embarrassment that the uk national embarrassment that the on iooo— national embarrassment that the on oooo noi— national embarrassment that the uk does not have— national embarrassment that the uk does not have a properly ionoiioning— uk does not have a properly functioning service. sorry, noooonw— functioning service. sorry, noooonw nwiw— functioning service. sorry, reserve kyiv and our armed iooo— reserve kyiv and our armed iooo nowo— reserve kyiv and our armed forces have been eroded to the poini— forces have been eroded to the poini wnono— forces have been eroded to the point where we _ forces have been eroded to the point where we should all worry ono— point where we should all worry ono opi— point where we should all worry ono oii onio— point where we should all worry and all this is— point where we should all worry and all this is happening. nana wniio— and all this is happening. nana wniio ino— and all this is happening. nana while the government says innooio— while the government says innooio ono— while the government says threats are increasing, it is a big— threats are increasing, it is a pig wonnw— threats are increasing, it is a pig wonnw . — threats are increasing, it is a big worry . well,- threats are increasing, it is a big worry . vic: e 5»:“ »:»: big worry. well, listen, lee harris has a very succinctly put. so much. that's put. thank you so much. that's great british voice. thank you. what do think? we what do you think? are we literally leaving ourselves exposed? i mean, don't have exposed? i mean, we don't have much going our armed much going on with our armed forces . what your thoughts? forces. what are your thoughts? gb gb news you're gb views gb news .com. you're with akua. is with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're on tv online gb news. we're live on tv online and digital radio. coming up and on digital radio. coming up at five my very special at five outside my very special mystery guest, redhead, 80s pop
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icon. rubbed shoulders icon. she's rubbed shoulders with princess diana, elton john and the beatles. take a listen to this as . it and the beatles. take a listen to this as. it was a theme she had on a scale . yes, of course, had on a scale. yes, of course, there was a major hit song . it there was a major hit song. it was used in the pg tips advert. so who is she? she's on the way. then coming up at 450 worldview. that's next. i'll crossing that's next. i'll be crossing live the to speak to live to the kremlin to speak to russian alexei v to russian journalist alexei v to get there on get all the latest there on yesterday's shock mutiny . stay yesterday's shock mutiny. stay tuned .
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good afternoon . if you've just good afternoon. if you've just tuned in, welcome on board. we are gb news the people's channel. i'm nana akua batus. coming up to 52 minutes after 4:00. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. it's time now for world view and what looked like a mutiny in russia yesterday appears to have been called off overnight . the called off overnight. the mercenary russian fighting force of wagner group led by yevgeny prigozhin , has already taken prigozhin, has already taken over southern city of over the southern city of rostov—on—don and was said to be marching towards moscow before turning back. so joining me to talk about in russia is talk all about this in russia is russian journalist alexei villa. alexei, thank you very much for joining me. he's live in red square. what is the situation in moscow right now ? hello, nana. moscow right now? hello, nana. wow,— moscow right now? hello, nana. wgr, ii-o— moscow right now? hello, nana. wgr, ii-o o— moscow right now? hello, nana. well, it's a wonderful— , " g , hello, nana.
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well, it's a wonderful sunny day in ino— well, it's a wonderful sunny day in the russian— well, it's a wonderful sunny day in the russian capital. you can iningo— in the russian capital. you can see things here— in the russian capital. you can see things here in— in the russian capital. you can see things here in downtown nooo— see things here in downtown iiooo noi— see things here in downtown moscow, not much different from the moscow, not much different from no ooooi— moscow, not much different from no ooooi wo— moscow, not much different from the usual. we see— moscow, not much different from the usual. we see a— moscow, not much different from the usual. we see a lot of ioonioio— the usual. we see a lot of tourists. people - the usual. we see a lot of tourists. people seem pretty oppooi— tourists. people seem pretty upbeat. there— tourists. people seem pretty upbeat. there is— tourists. people seem pretty upbeat. there is still counter—terrorist operation nogino— counter—terrorist operation nogino in— counter—terrorist operation regime in place , which means regime in place, which means inoo— regime in place, which means no opi— regime in place, which means that all public— regime in place, which means that all public events have been oonooiioo— that all public events have been cancelled for— that all public events have been cancelled for now— that all public events have been cancelled for now .— that all public events have been cancelled for now . the mayor of cancelled for now. the mayor of nooo— cancelled for now. the mayor of iiooo noo— cancelled for now. the mayor of moscow has announced that monday will moscow has announced that monday wiii po— moscow has announced that monday wiii po o— moscow has announced that monday wiii po o oow— moscow has announced that monday wiii po o oow oii— moscow has announced that monday will be a day off, but— will be a day off, but barricades- will be a day off, but barricades are now being demolished.— barricades are now being demolished. most routes have poon— demolished. most routes have poon oponoo— demolished. most routes have been opened again for car oinooioiion— been opened again for car oinooioiion .— been opened again for car circulation . we- been opened again for car circulation . we still have a lot circulation. we still have a lot of circulation. we still have a lot oi iow— circulation. we still have a lot of law enforcement here on the oinooio— of law enforcement here on the oinooio oi— of law enforcement here on the streets of moscow— of law enforcement here on the streets of moscow who are ogoippoo— streets of moscow who are equipped wiih— streets of moscow who are equipped with some heavy gear like bullet—proof— equipped with some heavy gear like bullet—proof vests and noinoio— like bullet—proof vests and helmets and— like bullet—proof vests and helmets and machine guns, which wnion— helmets and machine guns, which wnion io— helmets and machine guns, which which is unusual— helmets and machine guns, which which is unusual for the russian oonioo— which is unusual for the russian oopiioi. poi— which is unusual for the russian capital. but actually, i had the oonono— capital. but actually, i had the oonono io— capital. but actually, i had the chance to speak— capital. but actually, i had the chance to speak to some law oioo— chance to speak to some law. enforcement—and enforcement officers today and wow— enforcement officers today and inow nowo— enforcement officers today and they have assured me that they nowo— they have assured me that they nooo—onion- they have assured me that they have under control. have everything under control. inono— have everything under control. there-nothing— have everything under control. there nothing about there is nothing to worry about . ano— there is nothing to worry about . and i— there is nothing to worry about . and it actually— there is nothing to worry about . and it actually that we . and it actually seems that we inoooo— . and it actually seems that we inoooo nowo— . and it actually seems that we indeed have avoided the catastrophe— indeed have avoided the catastrophe. - indeed have avoided the catastrophe . indeed have avoided the- catastrophe . so. so what's the catastrophe. so. so what's the conflict resolved in the end then ? yesterday's conflict, then? yesterday's conflict, which could have actually led to
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a full scale civil war in russia, it has been resolved peacefully. it has been brokered by ino— peacefully. it has been brokered by the belarusian_ f it has been brokered by the belarusian president, aioxonion— by the belarusian president, alexander lukashenko, who has nogoiioioo — alexander lukashenko, who has negotiated and— alexander lukashenko, who has negotiated and who has negotiated— negotiated and who has negotiated a— negotiated and who has negotiated a solution . and he he negotiated a solution. and he he he negotiated a solution. and he he no oioppoo— negotiated a solution. and he he no oioppoo op— negotiated a solution. and he he no oioppoo op oo— negotiated a solution. and he he he stepped up as an intermediary poiwoon— he stepped up as an intermediary poiwoon ino— he stepped up as an intermediary between the wagner group and the nonin— between the wagner group and the wnoniin .— between the wagner group and the kremlin . according— between the wagner group and the kremlin . according to the deal, kremlin. according to the deal, mr kremlin. according to the deal, iin pnigoznin— kremlin. according to the deal, mr prigozhin and— kremlin. according to the deal, mr prigozhin and his soldiers wiii— mr prigozhin and his soldiers wiii goi— mr prigozhin and his soldiers wiii goi on— mr prigozhin and his soldiers will get an immunity from onininoi— will get an immunity from criminal prosecution and they win— criminal prosecution and they wiii nowo— criminal prosecution and they wiii nowo o— criminal prosecution and they will have a chance to leave to poionoo— will have a chance to leave to belarus safely.— will have a chance to leave to belarus safely. and this is the wow— belarus safely. and this is the wono oi— belarus safely. and this is the wono oi ino— belarus safely. and this is the word of the russian president, viooinin— word of the russian president, vladimir putin,— word of the russian president, vladimir putin, himself. word of the russian president, vladimir putin, himself . now, vladimir putin, himself. now, ogoin— vladimir putin, himself. now, ogoin, oo— vladimir putin, himself. now, again, some unofficial sources oiooo— again, some unofficial sources oiooo io— again, some unofficial sources oiooo io ino— again, some unofficial sources close to the wagner group are oioining— close to the wagner group are oioining inop— close to the wagner group are claiming that we— close to the wagner group are claiming that we might just see onongoo— claiming that we might just see some changes in— claiming that we might just see some changes in the leadership of some changes in the leadership oi ino— some changes in the leadership of the russian _ some changes in the leadership of the russian ministry of poionoo— of the russian ministry of defence. but— of the russian ministry of defence. but this information noo— defence. but this information noo noi— defence. but this information noo noi poon— defence. but this information has not been confirmed yet by the has not been confirmed yet by no nonin— has not been confirmed yet by the kremlin and— has not been confirmed yet by the kremlin and the russian . the the kremlin and the russian. the nonin— the kremlin and the russian. the kremlin spokesperson , dmitry kremlin spokesperson, dmitry poonow— kremlin spokesperson, dmitry poonow noo— kremlin spokesperson, dmitry peskov, has said— kremlin spokesperson, dmitry peskov, has said that the state of peskov, has said that the state oi ino— peskov, has said that the state of the russian _ peskov, has said that the state of the russian defence minister , songow— of the russian defence minister , sergey showbi— of the russian defence minister , sergey shoygu, has not been
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oiooooooo— , sergey shoygu, has not been discussed during— , sergey shoygu, has not been discussed during negotiations wiin— discussed during negotiations wiin ino— discussed during negotiations with the wagner group. but i goooo— with the wagner group. but i goooo wo-ii— with the wagner group. but i guess we'll see. _ with the wagner group. but i guess we'll see. ' »: 50:3»y» with the wagner group. but i guess we'll see. ' »: ”50:::«» guess we'll see. and the story, how is it being covered in russia in terms of the media? well it doesn't come as a surprise as that. this news opooi— surprise as that. this news opooi ino— surprise as that. this news about the armed- this news about the armed coup attempt in iooooio— about the armed coup attempt in iooooio io— about the armed coup attempt in iooooio io on— about the armed coup attempt in russia is on the— about the armed coup attempt in russia is on the front pages of all russia is on the front pages of oii nnnoio— russia is on the front pages of all major newspapers, both here in iooooio— all major newspapers, both here in iooooio ono— all major newspapers, both here in russia and abroad. we have iwo— in russia and abroad. we have iwo wow— in russia and abroad. we have two very different— in russia and abroad. we have two very different takes on this ooow— two very different takes on this oionw .— two very different takes on this oionw . iooooion— two very different takes on this story . russian state controlled story. russian state controlled noiio— story. russian state controlled nooio ono— story. russian state controlled media are obviously not happy opooi— media are obviously not happy opooi ino— media are obviously not happy about the coup— media are obviously not happy about the coup attempt, but they are about the coup attempt, but they wow— about the coup attempt, but they are very happy— about the coup attempt, but they are very happy with the peaceful noooioiion— are very happy with the peaceful resolution. they're— are very happy with the peaceful resolution. they're mostly iooooing— resolution. they're mostly iooooing on— resolution. they're mostly focusing on how the coup attempt on ino— focusing on how the coup attempt on no oonogo— focusing on how the coup attempt on the damage caused by the wognon— on the damage caused by the wognon inoopo— on the damage caused by the wagner troops, for example, in ioooiow— wagner troops, for example, in ioooiow nogion— wagner troops, for example, in rostov region alone, 10,000km2 of rostov region alone, 10,000km2 oi nooooi— rostov region alone, 10,000km2 of routes have— rostov region alone, 10,000km2 of routes have been damaged by wognon— of routes have been damaged by wognon oonno— of routes have been damaged by wagner tanks at— of routes have been damaged by wagner tanks at the same time, iooooion— wagner tanks at the same time, russian opposition— wagner tanks at the same time, russian opposition media, they are russian opposition media, they ioiiing— russian opposition media, they ioiiing o— russian opposition media, they are telling a very— russian opposition media, they are telling a very different oionw.— are telling a very different oionw. inow— are telling a very different story. they are— are telling a very different story. they are accusing pooiooiiw— story. they are accusing basically accusing mr prigozhin of basically accusing mr prigozhin oi noi— basically accusing mr prigozhin of not achieving— basically accusing mr prigozhin of not achieving his goal of the nogino— of not achieving his goal of the nogino onongo— of not achieving his goal of the regime change in— of not achieving his goal of the regime change in russia. some onnnnonooniio— regime change in russia. some commentators go— regime change in russia. some commentators go as far as pnonoing— commentators go as far as branding russia as a failed
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oiooo— branding russia as a failed state because— branding russia as a failed state because of the coup oiionpi— state because of the coup oiionpi ono— state because of the coup attempt and it's also interesting- attempt and it's also interesting to have a look at now— interesting to have a look at now ino— interesting to have a look at how the western— interesting to have a look at how the western media are noponing— how the western media are noponing on— how the western media are reporting on the situation. for oxonpio— reporting on the situation. for oxonpio ,— reporting on the situation. for ooonpio , own— reporting on the situation. for example , cnn has sourced some example, cnn has sourced some oniooniiiioo— example, cnn has sourced some oniooniiiioo ,— example, cnn has sourced some unidentified , some unidentified unidentified, some unidentified inionnonio— unidentified, some unidentified informants saying that the us inioiiigonoo— informants saying that the us intelligence community actually was aware that— intelligence community actually was aware that mr— intelligence community actually was aware that mr prigozhin was pnoponing— was aware that mr prigozhin was pnoponing o— was aware that mr prigozhin was pnoponing o coop— was aware that mr prigozhin was preparing a coup d'etat in iioooio— preparing a coup d'etat in iooooio. ino— preparing a coup d'etat in russia. the question is then, why— russia. the question is then, wnw inow— russia. the question is then, why they haven't— russia. the question is then, why they haven't informed the nnoniin. — why they haven't informed the nnoniin. ai— why they haven't informed the kremlin. at the— why they haven't informed the kremlin. at the same time , the kremlin. at the same time, the inonop— kremlin. at the same time, the inonon ino— kremlin. at the same time, the french, the italian— kremlin. at the same time, the french, the italian newspaper , french, the italian newspaper, the french, the italian newspaper, ino ioopopiio— french, the italian newspaper, the republic has— french, the italian newspaper, the republic has published an onioio— the republic has published an onioio oowing— the republic has published an article saying that the day the coop— article saying that the day the coop woo— article saying that the day the coup was taking— article saying that the day the coup was taking place, nato oiiioioio— coup was taking place, nato officials have— coup was taking place, nato officials have contacted the nonin— officials have contacted the kremlin and— officials have contacted the kremlin and they want to make inop— kremlin and they want to make no no — kremlin and they want to make sure that the russian government nnowo— sure that the russian government nnowo inop— sure that the russian government nnowo inoi inow— sure that the russian government knows that they have nothing to do wiin— knows that they have nothing to do win no — knows that they have nothing to do with the coup— knows that they have nothing to do with the coup d'etat. they oioo— do with the coup d'etat. they oioo wonioo— do with the coup d'etat. they also wanted to— do with the coup d'etat. they also wanted to make sure that onio— also wanted to make sure that inio noiinw— also wanted to make sure that this mutiny will— also wanted to make sure that this mutiny will not lead to any noioon— this mutiny will not lead to any nuclear incident— this mutiny will not lead to any nuclear incident .— this mutiny will not lead to any nuclear incident . well, overall nuclear incident. well, overall , aiokoow— nuclear incident. well, overall , aiokoow ,— nuclear incident. well, overall , aiokoow , oo— nuclear incident. well, overall , aleksey , so you— nuclear incident. well, overall , aleksey , so you had one more , aleksey, so you had one more ining— , aleksey, so you had one more ining io— , aleksey, so you had one more ining io oow. — , aleksey, so you had one more ining io oow. oo— , aleksey, so you had one more thing to say. go for- , aleksey, so you had one more thing to say. cit» 0 /»t» thing to say. go for it. you've got about 20s yeah , i just got about 20s yeah, i just wanted to add that even though
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western governments have not openly supported the rebellion, there have been a lot of support coming from the kyrees regime and its western allies. they have inadvertently- they have inadvertently supported the coop— have inadvertently supported the coop o-oioi— have inadvertently supported the coop poop in— have inadvertently supported the coup d'etat in russia, in iioooio— coup d'etat in russia, in russia.idon't- coup d'etat in russia, in russia. don't think it can russia. i don't think it can ooiooiiw— russia. i don't think it can actually make— russia. i don't think it can actually make our relations with the actually make our relations with no wooi— actually make our relations with no wooi onw— actually make our relations with the west any worse because, well , inono — the west any worse because, well , inono io— the west any worse because, well ,inono io oinpiw— the west any worse because, well , there is simply much room , there is simply not much room for deterioration— , there is simply not much room for deterioration left. thinking on-,_ for deterioration left. thinking on- nooiiw— for deterioration left. thinking on- nooiiw gooo- for deterioration left. thinking on , really good to on it, alexi, really good to poin— on it, alexi, really good to ioik io— on it, alexi, really good to ioin io woo. — on it, alexi, really good to talk to you. on it, alexi, really good to- talk to you. lovely-hear your talk to you. lovely to hear your thoughts and thank you for joining live in square joining us live in red square in moscow. doing that right moscow. he's doing that right now. russian journalist now. he's a russian journalist right. let's travel over to america have chat america and let's have a chat with the host of the politics people paul duddridge. with the host of the politics peopthere paul duddridge. with the host of the politics peopthere la paul duddridge. with the host of the politics peopthere la pa giveiddridge. he's there in la to give us an update of going on. paul, update of what's going on. paul, start me off with hunter biden and on with hunter and what's going on with hunter biden. he been arrested? biden. has he been arrested? well hunter biden, yes, he was. well, he's been prosecuted and pop— well, he's been prosecuted and pop no— well, he's been prosecuted and he's now reached— well, he's been prosecuted and he's now reached a plea deal wnion— he's now reached a plea deal wnion io— he's now reached a plea deal which is marvellous news. so for tax which is marvellous news. so for ion owooion— which is marvellous news. so for ion ono— which is marvellous news. so for tax evasion and illegal gun pooooooion— tax evasion and illegal gun pooooooion ,— tax evasion and illegal gun possession , he's basically going possession, he's basically going to possession, he's basically going io goi— possession, he's basically going io goi o— possession, he's basically going io goi o iino— possession, he's basically going to get a fine and— possession, he's basically going to get a fine and a— possession, he's basically going to get a fine and a slap on the wnon— to get a fine and a slap on the wnioi. ano— to get a fine and a slap on the wnioi. and i— to get a fine and a slap on the wrist. and if the— to get a fine and a slap on the wrist. and if the content of the iopiop— wrist. and if the content of the iopiop io— wrist. and if the content of the laptop is anything to go by,
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noii— laptop is anything to go by, now oniow— laptop is anything to go by, now oniow ii.— laptop is anything to go by, he'll enjoy it. so he managed he'll enjoy it. so he he managed a he'll enjoy it. so he he managed o pioo— he'll enjoy it. so he he managed o pioo oooi— he'll enjoy it. so he he managed o pioo oooi ono— he'll enjoy it. so he he managed a plea deal and basically he's poing— a plea deal and basically he's poing iop— a plea deal and basically he's poing ioi oii— a plea deal and basically he's being let off scot— a plea deal and basically he's being let off scot free. wesley snipoo— being let off scot free. wesley snipoo noo— being let off scot free. wesley snipes has wesley snipes stories nooonioooo— snipes has wesley snipes stories resurfaced where— snipes has wesley snipes stories resurfaced where he did three woono— resurfaced where he did three woono ion— resurfaced where he did three years for similar— resurfaced where he did three years for similar charges. a iiiiio— years for similar charges. a little while— years for similar charges. a little while back. so there are io— little while back. so there are oi— little while back. so there are cries of unequal— little while back. so there are cries of unequal justice from ino— cries of unequal justice from the republican— cries of unequal justice from the republican party and the way that the republican party and the way no ponoon— the republican party and the way that hunter biden— the republican party and the way that hunter biden is being nonoioo— that hunter biden is being nonoioo in— that hunter biden is being handled in law for quite serious . i handled in law for quite serious . i noon— handled in law for quite serious . i wnon— handled in law for quite serious . i mean, when you— handled in law for quite serious . i mean, when you evade tax in ino— . i mean, when you evade tax in no us,— . i mean, when you evade tax in no us, ii-o— . i mean, when you evade tax in the us, it's usually— . i mean, when you evade tax in the us, it's usually custodial. ii-o— the us, it's usually custodial. ii-o ooooiiw— the us, it's usually custodial. ii-o ooooiiw o— the us, it's usually custodial. it's usually a custodial sentence. and he has admitted to ooiiwoiw— sentence. and he has admitted to actively evading— sentence. and he has admitted to actively evading tax and that is poing— actively evading tax and that is poing noi— actively evading tax and that is being met with,— actively evading tax and that is being met with, as i said, pnooiiooiiw— being met with, as i said, practically a— being met with, as i said, practically a fine and treated as a misdemeanour. so it's a nopoioiiw— as a misdemeanour. so it's a hopefully that— as a misdemeanour. so it's a hopefully that means good news for hopefully that means good news ion ponoio— hopefully that means good news for donald trump— hopefully that means good news for donald trump ,— hopefully that means good news for donald trump, who's trial ooio— for donald trump, who's trial ooio noo— for donald trump, who's trial date has now— for donald trump, who's trial date has now been set for august the date has now been set for august ino win— date has now been set for august ino ioin ion— date has now been set for august the 14th for the— date has now been set for august the 14th for the documents case inop— the 14th for the documents case no w-woo— the 14th for the documents case that we've been— the 14th for the documents case that we've been talking about. no-o— that we've been talking about. no-o poon— that we've been talking about. no-o poon no—
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that we've been talking about. he's been he committed the noinooo— he's been he committed the heinous crime— he's been he committed the heinous crime of— he's been he committed the heinous crime of storing some oooononio— heinous crime of storing some oooononio in— heinous crime of storing some oooononio in o— heinous crime of storing some documents in a box. and so he is ooi— documents in a box. and so he is ooi ion— documents in a box. and so he is now set for trial— documents in a box. and so he is now set for trial date on august the now set for trial date on august ino win.— now set for trial date on august ino ioin. wow,— now set for trial date on august the 14th. now, it's— now set for trial date on august the 14th. now, it's probably going— the 14th. now, it's probably going io— the 14th. now, it's probably going io po— the 14th. now, it's probably going to be set— the 14th. now, it's probably going to be set back. they're pnopopiw— going to be set back. they're pnopopiw going— going to be set back. they're probably going to be able to inoo— probably going to be able to move that because the move that because of the oonpoign— move that because of the campaign saying et cetera to oonoining— campaign saying et cetera to something like— campaign saying et cetera to something like december. but it just something like december. but it iooo-onow— something like december. but it poop-onow onio- something like december. but it just show this took just goes to show this took woono— just goes to show this took woono io— just goes to show this took woono io goi— just goes to show this took years to get biden's years to get hunter biden's oooo-noono- years to get hunter biden's case,-heard the- years to get hunter biden's case, heard the prosecution case, even heard the prosecution are case, even heard the prosecution mowing— case, even heard the prosecution nowing very— case, even heard the prosecution are moving very, very quickly ogoinoi— are moving very, very quickly against donald— are moving very, very quickly against donald trump . and some against donald trump. and some are against donald trump. and some ono-noning— against donald trump. and some are making comparisons are obviously making comparisons and are obviously making comparisons on oowing— are obviously making comparisons ono oowing inop— are obviously making comparisons and saying that one of them ioono— and saying that one of them ioono wow— and saying that one of them looks very unfair— and saying that one of them looks very unfair. but, you know,— looks very unfair. but, you know-io- looks very unfair. but, you know,-to trumpi looks very unfair. but, you- know,-to trump needs to know, he needs to trump needs to iino— know, he needs to trump needs to no ponoon— know, he needs to trump needs to hire hunter biden's— know, he needs to trump needs to hire hunter biden's attorney poooooo— hire hunter biden's attorney because their— hire hunter biden's attorney because their defence is my dad iiwoo— because their defence is my dad iiwoo in— because their defence is my dad iiwoo in ino— because their defence is my dad lives in the white— because their defence is my dad lives in the white house. vice: lives in the white house. well, oioo-o— lives in the white house. well, iioi-o goon— lives in the white house. well, iioi-o gooo .— lives in the white house. well, that's good . and— lives in the white house. well, that's good . and finally, you've that's good. and finally, you've got about 20s paul. talk to me about trump. what's going on with trump and his polling ? with trump and his polling? trump is polling really, really woii— trump is polling really, really woii. ino— trump is polling really, really well. the only— trump is polling really, really well. the only thing i wanted to say well. the only thing i wanted to oow io— well. the only thing i wanted to oow io o— well. the only thing i wanted to say is a fantastic— well. the only thing i wanted to say is a fantastic way they nopon— say is a fantastic way they nopon ii— say is a fantastic way they report it here. _ say is a fantastic way they report it here. trump is polling ooow— report it here. trump is polling every indicted— report it here. trump is polling every indicted moment increases his every indicted moment increases nio popoioniiw. — every indicted moment increases his popularity. but— every indicted moment increases his popularity. but i saw a poooiiioi— his popularity. but i saw a beautiful headline which said inop— beautiful headline which said rig, woo— beautiful headline which said that, you know,— beautiful headline which said that, you know, they're very onii — that, you know, they're very onii nin — that, you know, they're very onii pin in— that, you know, they're very anti him in the—
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that, you know, they're very anti him in the mainstream pooo— anti him in the mainstream pooo-ooio- anti him in the mainstream press. said trump , anti him in the mainstream- press. _said trump, 32% press. and they said trump, 32% of republicans— press. and they said trump, 32% of republicans are— press. and they said trump, 32% of republicans are looking for onoinon— of republicans are looking for another candidate to vote for. ano— another candidate to vote for. and ii-o— another candidate to vote for. and no iino— another candidate to vote for. and it's kind of— another candidate to vote for. and it's kind of like, yeah, you won-i— and it's kind of like, yeah, you won-i oow— and it's kind of like, yeah, you won-i oow inop— and it's kind of like, yeah, you won't say that he's got 68% ooppon. — won't say that he's got 68% ooppon. so— won't say that he's got 68% support. so that's the way even his support. so that's the way even no inonoooing— support. so that's the way even his increasing poll— support. so that's the way even his increasing poll numbers are poing— his increasing poll numbers are poing noponoo— his increasing poll numbers are being reported in— his increasing poll numbers are being reported in the mainstream pnooo— being reported in the mainstream pnooo nono.— being reported in the mainstream pnooo here-.he— being reported in the mainstream press here.-he can't- being reported in the mainstream press here. he can't they press here. it's he can't they win— press here. it's he can't they wiii noi— press here. it's he can't they wiii noi giwo— press here. it's he can't they will not give-any- press here. it's he can't they will not give any any will not give him any any pioooiio— will not give him any any pioooiio oi— will not give him any any plaudits at all— will not give him any any plaudits at all for his successes— plaudits at all for his successes .- plaudits at all for his successes . so yeah, that's successes. so yeah, that's inoi-o— successes. so yeah, that's inoi-o nonp— successes. so yeah, that's that's trump in- successes. so yeah, that's that's trump in the news this woon— that's trump in the news this woon. woii— that's trump in the news this week. well listen, thank you so noon— week. well listen, thank you so noon iooi— week. well listen, thank you so much, paul duddridge, host of the much, paul duddridge, host of no poiiiioo— much, paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast. woo-no— the politics people podcast. you're watching _ the politics people podcast. you're watching . news- the politics people podcast. . you're watching-news on tv, you're watching gb news on tv, onune you're watching gb news on tv, online digital radio. online and on digital radio. it's come . it's 5:00. more to come. so welcome on board to gb news. i'm nana akua for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this about opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's theirs. of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, yours. we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating and discussing, and at times disagree. no times we will disagree. but no one will cancelled. so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and author christine hamilton,
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your latest news headlines. right, aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom. 5:01. let's get you up— the gb newsroom. 5:01. let's get woo op io— the gb newsroom. 5:01. let's get woo op io ooio— the gb newsroom. 5:01. let's get you up to date with— the gb newsroom. 5:01. let's get you up to date with the- you up to date with the headlines. _ you up to date with the headlines. we start with the onioo— headlines. we start with the united states— headlines. we start with the united states who have said said inop— united states who have said said no wooionoow-o— united states who have said said that yesterday's armed rebellion in iooooio— that yesterday's armed rebellion in iooooio woo— that yesterday's armed rebellion in russia was a— that yesterday's armed rebellion in russia was a direct challenge to in russia was a direct challenge io viooinin— in russia was a direct challenge to vladimir putin's— in russia was a direct challenge to vladimir putin's authority ono— to vladimir putin's authority on nooooi— to vladimir putin's authority and reveals cracks appearing in his and reveals cracks appearing in no niiiionw— and reveals cracks appearing in his military strategy . kwasi the his military strategy. kwasi the noiinw— his military strategy. kwasi the noiinw by— his military strategy. kwasi the noiinw by ino— his military strategy. kwasi the mutiny by the wagner mercenary group— mutiny by the wagner mercenary gnoop woo— mutiny by the wagner mercenary group was called— mutiny by the wagner mercenary group was called off last night. it's understood— group was called off last night. it's understood its— group was called off last night. it's understood its leader, wowgonw— it's understood its leader, yevgeny prigozhin, will be onioo— yevgeny prigozhin, will be oxiioo io— yevgeny prigozhin, will be exiled to belarus. now his iigniono— exiled to belarus. now his fighters were— exiled to belarus. now his fighters were en route to niooo— fighters were en route to moscow. they- fighters were en route to moscow. they were some four noono— moscow. they were some four noono owow— moscow. they were some four hours away. they— moscow. they were some four hours away. they were on their way— hours away. they were on their wow io— hours away. they were on their wow io noinoo— hours away. they were on their way to remove russian commanders that way to remove russian commanders inoi pnigoznin— way to remove russian commanders that prigozhin blames for mishandling— that prigozhin blames for mishandling war. anthony mishandling the war. anthony pinion— mishandling the war. anthony piinnon ino— mishandling the war. anthony blinken, the us— mishandling the war. anthony blinken, the us secretary of sioio, — blinken, the us secretary of sioio, oowo— blinken, the us secretary of state, says the _ blinken, the us secretary of state, says the turmoil caused by onio— state, says the turmoil caused by this rebellion— state, says the turmoil caused by this rebellion could take nonino— by this rebellion could take nonino io— by this rebellion could take months to play— by this rebellion could take months to play out. but it's likely— months to play out. but it's likely io— months to play out. but it's likely to affect— months to play out. but it's likely to affect moscow's capabilities— likely to affect moscow's capabilities in- likely to affect moscow's capabilities in ukraine. t0 the ooiooo— capabilities in ukraine. t0 the oxioni oiio— capabilities in ukraine. to the extent this presents a distraction , a loss of focus for distraction, a loss of focus for the russians, that may help the
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ukrainians on the battlefield . ukrainians on the battlefield. exactly where this goes , we exactly where this goes, we don't know. but what we do know is that we've seen real cracks emerge . again, a direct emerge. again, a direct challenge to putin's authority . challenge to putin's authority. and while the emergence , the and while the emergence, the innooioio— and while the emergence, the immediate risk— and while the emergence, the immediate risk to vladimir putin oppoono— immediate risk to vladimir putin oppoono io— immediate risk to vladimir putin oppoono io nowo— immediate risk to vladimir putin appears to have been contained, onongonow— appears to have been contained, emergency measures remain in piooo— emergency measures remain in piooo in— emergency measures remain in piooo in niooo— emergency measures remain in place in moscow as our ioonnoiioi— place in moscow as our journalist there, alexei, we're poio— journalist there, alexei, we're ioio op— journalist there, alexei, we're told gb news— journalist there, alexei, we're told gb news earlier , everything told gb news earlier, everything is told gb news earlier, everything io noo— told gb news earlier, everything io noo poon— told gb news earlier, everything is has been resolved. 0 is has been resolved. it seems inop— is has been resolved. it seems iioi ino— is has been resolved. it seems that the catastrophe has been avoided. we still do have some extra law enforcement here on the streets and they are wearing some heavy gear for example, bullet—proof vests and helmets. they have machine guns, which which is unusual, but as you can see here live , lviv continues see here live, lviv continues the situation here in downtown moscow doesn't see many any different from the usual the red square is still closed, but but other than that, everything seems fine now. a 15 year old
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gin— seems fine now. a 15 year old gini noo— seems fine now. a 15 year old gini noo oioo— seems fine now. a 15 year old girl has died after— �*" a 15 year old girl has died after being pulled inon— girl has died after being pulled inon ino— girl has died after being pulled inon ino ooo— girl has died after being pulled from the sea in— girl has died after being pulled from the sea in cleethorpes on the from the sea in cleethorpes on no pooon— from the sea in cleethorpes on no pooon in— from the sea in cleethorpes on the beach in north—east lincolnshire— the beach in north—east lincolnshire .- the beach in north—east lincolnshire . police say a 15 lincolnshire. police say a 15 woon— lincolnshire. police say a 15 woon oio— lincolnshire. police say a 15 woon oio pow— lincolnshire. police say a 15 year old boy was- lincolnshire. police say a 15 year old boy was also , though, year old boy was also, though, poiioo— year old boy was also, though, poiioo inon — year old boy was also, though, pulled from the— year old boy was also, though, pulled from the water. he was poion— pulled from the water. he was ooion io— pulled from the water. he was taken to hospital— pulled from the water. he was taken to hospital but has since poon— taken to hospital but has since been discharged— taken to hospital but has since been discharged and a five year old been discharged and a five year oio pow— been discharged and a five year oio pow noo— been discharged and a five year old boy has died— been discharged and a five year old boy has died after falling inon— old boy has died after falling inon o— old boy has died after falling from a harbour— old boy has died after falling from a harbour in padstow, the ooooioo— from a harbour in padstow, the ooooioo iown— from a harbour in padstow, the seaside town in— from a harbour in padstow, the seaside town in cornwall. the onio— seaside town in cornwall. the oniio woo— seaside town in cornwall. the child was airlifted to hospital. poion— child was airlifted to hospital. powon ono— child was airlifted to hospital. devon and cornwall police say inow-no— devon and cornwall police say they're currently— devon and cornwall police say they're currently treating his iooin— they're currently treating his oooin oo— they're currently treating his oooin oo on— they're currently treating his death as an accident . they're currently treating his death as an accident. hundreds of mourners have— death as an accident. hundreds of mourners have been gathering in ion— of mourners have been gathering in ion ponoon— of mourners have been gathering in for london silent— of mourners have been gathering in for london silent walking vigi— in for london silent walking wigii io— in for london silent walking vigil to mark— in for london silent walking vigil to mark the first anniversary- vigil to mark the first anniversary of zara aleena's iooin— anniversary of zara aleena's oooin .— anniversary of zara aleena's oooin . ino— anniversary of zara aleena's death . the 35— anniversary of zara aleena's death . the 35 year old law death. the 35 year old law gnooooio— death. the 35 year old law graduate was— death. the 35 year old law graduate was sexually assaulted and graduate was sexually assaulted ono niooo— graduate was sexually assaulted ono niiioo oo— graduate was sexually assaulted and killed as she— graduate was sexually assaulted and killed as she walked home inon— and killed as she walked home inon o— and killed as she walked home inon o nigni— and killed as she walked home from a night out— and killed as she walked home from a night out on june 26th. iooi— from a night out on june 26th. iooi woon— from a night out on june 26th. iooi woon .— from a night out on june 26th. iooi woon . pp— from a night out on june 26th. last year . 29 year— from a night out on june 26th. last year . 29 year old jordan last year. 29 year old jordan iioswoonow— last year. 29 year old jordan mcsweeney is— last year. 29 year old jordan mcsweeney is currently serving a life mcsweeney is currently serving a iiio oononioo— mcsweeney is currently serving a life sentence as— mcsweeney is currently serving a life sentence as he— mcsweeney is currently serving a life sentence as he was jailed for life sentence as he was jailed ion oi— life sentence as he was jailed ion oi ioooi— life sentence as he was jailed for at least 38— life sentence as he was jailed for at least 38 years as well. oonion— for at least 38 years as well. earlier friends— for at least 38 years as well. earlier friends and family of nioo— earlier friends and family of miss molina— earlier friends and family of miss molina joined the vigil at voioniinoo— miss molina joined the vigil at valentines park— miss molina joined the vigil at valentines park in ilford and
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iononnoz— valentines park in ilford and farahnaz her— valentines park in ilford and farahnaz her aunt says we need to farahnaz her aunt says we need io poop— farahnaz her aunt says we need to keep spreading— farahnaz her aunt says we need to keep spreading the word . 0 to keep spreading the word. it oooio— to keep spreading the word. it oooio nowo— to keep spreading the word. it could have been— to keep spreading the word. it could have been any- to keep spreading the word. it could have been any one- to keep spreading the word. 0 to keep spreading the word. it could have been any one of us. your sister , your daughter, your your sister, your daughter, your niece. let's spread the word. let's disrupt violence against women and girls . let's together women and girls. let's together interrupt it. let's together. come fronted. let's not look the other way and let's get other people not to look the other way . all states secondary schools in pngiono— . all states secondary schools in england are— all states secondary schools in england are now to be ogoippoo— in england are now to be equipped wiib- in england are now to be equipped with a defibrillator . equipped with a defibrillator. ino— equipped with a defibrillator. the government says secondary oonooio— the government says secondary schools received _ the government says secondary schools received priority poooooo— schools received priority because the _ schools received priority because the risk of cardiac onooo— because the risk of cardiac arrest increases— because the risk of cardiac arrest increases with age. the poponnoni— arrest increases with age. the department for— arrest increases with age. the department for health says the oowiooo— department for health says the oowiooo wiii— department for health says the devices will also— department for health says the devices will also be rolled out in pninonw— devices will also be rolled out in pninonw ono— devices will also be rolled out in primary and special schools. inoi-o— in primary and special schools. inoi-o ooo— in primary and special schools. inoi-o ooo io— in primary and special schools. that's due to be— in primary and special schools. that's due to be completed by the that's due to be completed by no ono— that's due to be completed by no on oi— that's due to be completed by the end of the— that's due to be completed by the end of the summer term . and the end of the summer term. and oiooionponw— the end of the summer term. and oiooionponw noo— the end of the summer term. and glastonbury has received some oniiioion — glastonbury has received some oniiioion ion— glastonbury has received some criticism for a— glastonbury has received some criticism for a lack of star poi— criticism for a lack of star names, but for— criticism for a lack of star names, but for not its headline ooi. — names, but for not its headline ooi. sin— names, but for not its headline ooi. sin oiion— names, but for not its headline act. sir elton john— names, but for not its headline act. sir elton john will be oppnoooning—
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act. sir elton john will be approaching soon. not too long to approaching soon. not too long io won.— approaching soon. not too long io woii. ino— approaching soon. not too long to wait. the rocketman is well, we to wait. the rocketman is well, wo ininw— to wait. the rocketman is well, wo ininw io— to wait. the rocketman is well, we think, to hang— to wait. the rocketman is well, we think, to hang up his hat. inio— we think, to hang up his hat. inio io— we think, to hang up his hat. this is supposed— we think, to hang up his hat. this is supposed to be his final onow— this is supposed to be his final onow on— this is supposed to be his final show on home— this is supposed to be his final show on home turf at worthy ion.— show on home turf at worthy ionn. inio— show on home turf at worthy farm. this evening. the event's co—ongonioon— farm. this evening. the event's co—organiser emily eavis has ooio— co—organiser emily eavis has ooio inop— co—organiser emily eavis has said that the— co—organiser emily eavis has said that the stage show on the pwnonio— said that the stage show on the pwnonio oiogo— said that the stage show on the pyramid stage will be a set inoi-o— pyramid stage will be a set inoi-o going— pyramid stage will be a set that's going to— pyramid stage will be a set that's going to be completely oniooo— that's going to be completely onigoo io— that's going to be completely onigoo io ino— that's going to be completely unique to the festival, although we unique to the festival, although wo know— unique to the festival, although wo know nio— unique to the festival, although we know his farewell tour has poon— we know his farewell tour has poon nonning— we know his farewell tour has been running for— we know his farewell tour has been running for some time, ionnoo— been running for some time, ionnoo oii— been running for some time, turned off three— been running for some time, turned off three hours after onooo— turned off three hours after inooo gowo. — turned off three hours after inooo gowo. i— turned off three hours after these guys. ’it;”»: turned off three hours after these guys. it”»: turned off three hours after these guys. ’it;”»: i�* turned off three hours after these guys. i�* these guys. i was here at 7 am. i was third in the queue and you can't miss elton john last ever uk gig. bastien, brie, what a day. look,i uk gig. bastien, brie, what a day. look, i kind of kept the iiokoio— day. look, i kind of kept the tickets initially— day. look, i kind of kept the tickets initially ,— »:ry look, i kind of kept the tickets initially , but »:rty look, i kind of kept the tickets initially , but just »:3 look, i kind of kept the tickets initially , but just for tickets initially, but just for iiko— tickets initially, but just for iiko oiion— tickets initially, but just for iiko piion ,— tickets initially, but just for like elton , so— tickets initially, but just for like elton , so i— tickets initially, but just for like elton , so i figured like, like elton, so i figured like, onio— like elton, so i figured like, inio io— like elton, so i figured like, this is such— like elton, so i figured like, this is such a— like elton, so i figured like, this is such a once in a iiioiino— this is such a once in a lifetime chance that i can sleep any— lifetime chance that i can sleep onw oiion— lifetime chance that i can sleep onw oinon oow.— lifetime chance that i can sleep any other day. but— lifetime chance that i can sleep any other day. but like, front row, glastonbury,— any other day. but like, front row, glastonbury, last uk ponoon— row, glastonbury, last uk concert, that's- row, glastonbury, last uk concert, that's probably going to concert, that's probably going io po— concert, that's probably going io po iiko— concert, that's probably going io po iiko o— concert, that's probably going to be like a once— concert, that's probably going to be like a once in a lifetime oonono— to be like a once in a lifetime oonono .— to be like a once in a lifetime chance . well,— to be like a once in a lifetime chance . well, i— to be like a once in a lifetime chance . well, i should have chance. well, i should have a good— chance. well, i should have a good iino— chance. well, i should have a good iino ii— chance. well, i should have a good time if they've had enough oioop. — good time if they've had enough oioop. wo-ii— good time if they've had enough sleep. we'll see. _ good time if they've had enough sleep. we'll see. it— good time if they've had enough sleep. 00 0 t“ 0 sleep. we'll see. it doesn't really matter when you're out
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or... oiion— rubbed shoulders with princess diana, elton john— rubbed shoulders with princess diana, elton john and the pooiioo— diana, elton john and the beatles. she's— diana, elton john and the beatles. she's got a fabulous inook. — beatles. she's got a fabulous inook. inono— beatles. she's got a fabulous track. there was— beatles. she's got a fabulous track. there was a superb hit. sno-o— track. there was a superb hit. sno-o goi— track. there was a superb hit. sno-o goi o— track. there was a superb hit. she's got a have— track. there was a superb hit. she's got a have a listen . don't she's got a have a listen. don't poon— she's got a have a listen. don't poon ioo— she's got a have a listen. don't poon ioo ion. — she's got a have a listen. don't push too far. your— she's got a have a listen. don't push too far. /»:t» ” »: ”»:3 3”»: push too far. your dreams are shy in your hands. don't yeah. so have you. you've worked it ooi— so have you. you've worked it ooi wow-onoo— so have you. you've worked it out avenue. and— so have you. you've worked it out avenue. and for- you've worked it out avenue. and for the great pninon— out avenue. and for the great british debate.— out avenue. and for the great british debate. i'm asking the gowonnnoni— british debate. i'm asking the government out— british debate. i'm asking the government out of touch with the popiio— government out of touch with the popiio wow,— government out of touch with the public now, prime— government out of touch with the public now, prime minister rishi sonok— public now, prime minister rishi sonok noo— public now, prime minister rishi sunak has advised of the sunak has advised members of the popiio— sunak has advised members of the popiio io— sunak has advised members of the popiio io noio— sunak has advised members of the public to hold their— sunak has advised members of the public to hold their nerve amid all public to hold their nerve amid oii ino— public to hold their nerve amid all the mortgage— public to hold their nerve amid all the mortgage mayhem. whilst nopono— all the mortgage mayhem. whilst nopono ooggooi— all the mortgage mayhem. whilst reports suggest he's expected to hit households— reports suggest he's expected to hit households with £170 a year, gnoon— hit households with £170 a year, gnoon ioww— hit households with £170 a year, gnoon ievy .— hit households with £170 a year, gnoon ievy . so— hit households with £170 a year, green levy . so while the green levy. so while the government _ green levy. so while the government completely out of iooon — government completely out of iooon onoii— government completely out of touch, email me— government completely out of touch, email me your thoughts. gb touch, email me your thoughts. op viowo— touch, email me your thoughts. op viowo op— touch, email me your thoughts. gb views gb news .com or tweet me gb views gb news .com or tweet no oi— gb views gb news .com or tweet no oi .— gb views gb news .com or tweet no oi . op— gb views gb news .com or tweet no oi . op wowo— gb views gb news .com or tweet me at . gb news right now gb views gb news .com or tweet me at. gb news right now i'm wow— me at. gb news right now i'm wow ,— me at. gb news right now i'm wonw , wow— me at. gb news right now i'm very , very excited— me at. gb news right now i'm very , very excited to say that very, very excited to say that ii-o— very, very excited to say that no iino— very, very excited to say that no iino ion— very, very excited to say that it's time for outside . and my it's time for outside. and my goooi— it's time for outside. and my goooi iooow— it's time for outside. and my goooi iooow io— it's time for outside. and my guest today is a— it's time for outside. and my guest today is a fiery , red guest today is a fiery, red noinoo— guest today is a fiery, red haired who— guest today is a fiery, red haired who rose to fame in the ooo— haired who rose to fame in the ooo oo—
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haired who rose to fame in the ooo oo o— haired who rose to fame in the ooo oo o pop— haired who rose to fame in the 80s as a pop sensation, noioooing— 80s as a pop sensation, releasing her- 80s as a pop sensation, releasing her first single, 37 woono— releasing her first single, 37 woono ogo— releasing her first single, 37 years ago. can't— releasing her first single, 37 years ago. can't believe it was inop— years ago. can't believe it was no iong— years ago. can't believe it was no iong ogo— years ago. can't believe it was that long ago. she was born in iiwonpooi— that long ago. she was born in iiwonpooi ono— that long ago. she was born in liverpool and famously kept two of liverpool and famously kept two oi ino— liverpool and famously kept two of the beatles— liverpool and famously kept two of the beatles at— liverpool and famously kept two of the beatles at number two for iiko— of the beatles at number two for iiwo oko— of the beatles at number two for five weeks, one— of the beatles at number two for five weeks, one in— of the beatles at number two for five weeks, one in the singles oiono— five weeks, one in the singles onono ono— five weeks, one in the singles charts and the— five weeks, one in the singles charts and the other in the oipon — charts and the other in the album charts— charts and the other in the album charts .— charts and the other in the album charts . take a listen . album charts. take a listen. wonk— album charts. take a listen. iionk spown— album charts. take a listen. mark steyn john— album charts. take a listen. mark steyn john cleese to find woon— mark steyn john cleese to find woon onoonno— mark steyn john cleese to find your dreams are— mark steyn john cleese to find your dreams are china in your nono— your dreams are china in your pond .— your dreams are china in your pond . — your dreams are china in your pond . poni— your dreams are china in your hand . don't wish- your dreams are china in your hand . j c her your dreams are china in your hand . j: c her song hand. don't wish to. her song oioo— hand. don't wish to. her song was also used— hand. don't wish to. her song was also used on— hand. don't wish to. her song was also used on the- hand. j: c her song was also used on the pg hand. j»: c her song was also used on the pg tips oioon— was also used on the pg tips oowon .— was also used on the pg tips oowon . ano— was also used on the pg tips advert . and not— was also used on the pg tips advert . and not only can my advert. and not only can my goooi— advert. and not only can my goooi oing— advert. and not only can my goooi gng, ono— advert. and not only can my guest sing, she once appeared in an guest sing, she once appeared in on opioooo— guest sing, she once appeared in on opioooo oi— guest sing, she once appeared in an episode of benidorm as nonooii— an episode of benidorm as nonooii ,— an episode of benidorm as herself, and— an episode of benidorm as herself, and during the height of herself, and during the height oi non— herself, and during the height of her career,— herself, and during the height of her career, she— herself, and during the height of her career, she mixed with nowoiiw— of her career, she mixed with nowoiiw ono— of her career, she mixed with royalty and even— of her career, she mixed with royalty and even met princess piono. — royalty and even met princess piono. sno-o— royalty and even met princess diana. she's considered , and diana. she's considered, and oio-o— diana. she's considered, and ono-o oioo— diana. she's considered, and she's also considered elton john ono— she's also considered elton john on iooi— she's also considered elton john and paul mccartney as friends . and paul mccartney as friends. ano— and paul mccartney as friends. and in— and paul mccartney as friends. and i'm excited— and paul mccartney as friends. and i'm excited to— and paul mccartney as friends. and i'm excited to say this nooio— and i'm excited to say this music legend— and i'm excited to say this music legend and icon joins me wno— music legend and icon joins me wno io— music legend and icon joins me wno io ii— music legend and icon joins me now. who is it of— music legend and icon joins me now. who is it of course, it's ino— now. who is it of course, it's the fabulous— now. who is it of course, it's the fabulous carol decker . the fabulous carol decker. oonoo— the fabulous carol decker. cgor, iii— the fabulous carol decker. carol, i'll call— the fabulous carol decker. carol, i'll call you . so lovely. carol, i'll call you. so lovely. iowoiw— carol, i'll call you. so lovely. iowoiw io— carol, i'll call you. so lovely. lovely to meet— carol, i'll call you. so lovely. lovely to meet you . fantastic. lovely to meet you. fantastic. now— lovely to meet you. fantastic. now — lovely to meet you. fantastic. now woo— lovely to meet you. fantastic. now woo p — lovely to meet you. fantastic. how are you ? 3”»: 7
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how are you? how are you? listen, i hate to start the interview like this, but you keep cutting out all the time , keep cutting out all the time, so hopefully i'll be able to understand you. oh, no, i'm sorry. understand you. oh, no, i'm oonnw. woii— understand you. oh, no, i'm sorry. well well,— c. :: oh, no, i'm sorry. well well, listen, carol. woii— sorry. well well, listen, carol. woii ioo-o— sorry. well well, listen, carol. well let's start— sorry. well well, listen, carol. well let's start with you then. iopi— well let's start with you then. ioii no— well let's start with you then. ioii no o— well let's start with you then. tell me a little— well let's start with you then. tell me a little bit about you ono— tell me a little bit about you on now— tell me a little bit about you on now woo— tell me a little bit about you and how you came into the music . on,— and how you came into the music . iinn now— and how you came into the music . iinn now oio— and how you came into the music .gm, now did i— and how you came into the music . um, how did i start— and how you came into the music . um, how did i start singing? woo.— . um, how did i start singing? woii. i— . um, how did i start singing? woii. i wo— . um, how did i start singing? well, i was kind— . um, how did i start singing? well, i was kind of— . um, how did i start singing? well, i was kind of late- . um, how did i start singing? well, i was kind of late to- . um, how did i start singing? well, i was kind of late to the party. i was actually 22, and i'd gone back to art school in shrewsbury as a mature student because i didn't kind of know what to do with myself really, which is kind of why i went. and i'd to sing and i'd always been able to sing and i'd always been able to sing and i'd always been told i could sing, i sing, you know, since i was little, people comment little, people would comment on my so in art school, my voice. and so in art school, i met a very different and eclectic sort of person . they eclectic sort of person. they were just fantastic , crazy were just fantastic, crazy types. and someone said to me , types. and someone said to me, why don't you go for it? why don't you join a band? and i know a guy, he's got a local band, they're looking for a singer. come a party with me singer. come to a party with me at i that at the weekend. so i did that audition and for their band literally were a garage band in
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ludlow because we just played in the drummer's garage all the time and that was the start. the drummer's garage all the time and that was the start . and time and that was the start. and then it went from sort of local bands and i up in bands. and because i grew up in the midlands , even though i am the midlands, even though i am a scouser, i grew in the scouser, i grew up in the midlands. kind of stomping midlands. so my kind of stomping ground wolverhampton , ground was wolverhampton, birmingham, the potteries, so back then there was pebble mill , the television station pebble mill. at one, and then beacon radio at wolverhampton. hopefully you've got a session there or b and b in birmingham and loads of gigs and then you try to sort of crawl way try to sort of crawl your way out and make it out of the midlands and make it to london. because don't forget, this a thousand years before this is a thousand years before mobile phones and the internet and own youtube and building up your own youtube following you just following and stuff, you just literally had to get in a van, slap up and down the m1 and hope somebody to see you . well, somebody came to see you. well, i know i was there when- : 5 well, i know i was there when your iopoiooo— i know i was there when your fabulous track— i know i was there when your fabulous track came out. you onolnw— fabulous track came out. you were one my icons. did you were one of my icons. did you okpooi— were one of my icons. did you okpooi woon— were one of my icons. did you expect your career— were one of my icons. did you expect your career to be so oooooooioi— expect your career to be so successful because it really pio— successful because it really pio woo— successful because it really was. did you expect such a big hit was. did you expect such a big no oo— was. did you expect such a big no oo woii— was. did you expect such a big
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no oo woii .— was. did you expect such a big hit as well . with— was. did you expect such a big hit as well . with china? hit as well. with china? sorry, i-nn — hit as well. with china? sorry, i-nn noooing— hit as well. with china? sorry, i-nn noooing woo.— hit as well. with china? sorry, i'm reading you. sorry, viewers. sorry, listeners . i'm actually sorry, listeners. i'm actually lip reading because the is getting out china. no, if that's what you just asked me. heart and soul i knew was a massive hit . absolutely knew it. it's my hit. absolutely knew it. it's my personal favourite of our classics . china in your hand classics. china in your hand wasn't even born when we got our record deal. so the songs, the demos that got us our record deal and to be able to do our first two albums with the amazing roy thomas baker , who amazing roy thomas baker, who produced queen's big hits produced all of queen's big hits were valentine and sex talk, monkey house, heart and soul. this was amongst the hits that got us our deal, and we were in the studio just outside of chicago, and one track i can't remember which one it was, wasn't working . and roy said, we wasn't working. and roy said, we need to dump a track. wasn't working. and roy said, we need to dump a track . we're need to dump a track. we're wasting time. we're wasting money. anything money. do you have anything else? now track else? because we're now a track short. ronnie and i had been short. so ronnie and i had been working at home, and working on china at home, and i had literally had a cassette out in my bag a little cassette, and i said, well, we got this . it's i said, well, we got this. it's kind of half finished, you know,
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and played to roy, and he and played it to roy, and he went, an amazing song. so went, that's an amazing song. so roy thomas baker well, just for a background for a little bit of background for everybody, he produced bohemian rhapsody, some rhapsody, so that gives you some idea his mind works. so idea of how his mind works. so when heard china, just when he heard china, he just turned it into this monster epic thing knows thing that that everybody knows and loves. what was it like poking— and loves. what was it like nowing ooon— and loves. what was it like having such a— and loves. what was it like having such a big- 3“»: what was it like having such a big hit and did you— having such a big hit and did woo okpooi— having such a big hit and did woo okpooi ii— having such a big hit and did you expect it to— having such a big hit and did you expect it to be such a big hit you expect it to be such a big pp p— you expect it to be such a big pp p on— you expect it to be such a big pp p on no— you expect it to be such a big hit ? um no, no— you expect it to be such a big hit? um no, no ,— you expect it to be such a big hit? um no, no , no. hit? um no, no, no. all i ever wonioo— hit? um no, no, no. all i ever wanted was a hit record . you got wanted was a hit record. you got noidea wanted was a hit record. you got no idea what's going to work. you know, it's not a formula for, um. you know, otherwise, if we could all get it right every time, we'd all be at number one with everything we put out. so now, i mean, confidence in now, i mean, i had confidence in the it sounded the song. i thought it sounded amazing. i had every confidence in performance . we in my vocal performance. we would anything go out would never let anything go out , neither would roy. that , and neither would roy. that wasn't performance. wasn't a tip top performance. so i knew it was quality. but i had noidea i knew it was quality. but i had no idea how big it was going to become. you know, your guess is as good as mine. what makes a hit single, really? what
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captures the public's imagination the and what imagination at the time and what was it like having that hit single ? well, um, well, your single? well, um, well, your onoonno— single? well, um, well, your dreams come— single? well, um, well, your dreams come true,- 37 well, um, well, your dreams come true, you know, and so dreams come true, you know, and oo wo noo— dreams come true, you know, and so we had firstly— dreams come true, you know, and so we had firstly a— dreams come true, you know, and so we had firstly a quadruple pioiinon — so we had firstly a quadruple platinum debut— so we had firstly a quadruple platinum debut album . /»: platinum debut album. you know, nooni— platinum debut album. you know, noon ono— platinum debut album. you know, nooni ono spoi— platinum debut album. you know, heart and soul went to number four in the states, and that rocketed all around the world courtesy the quite new mtv . courtesy of the quite new mtv. and then china came out at home, went to number one for five weeks, and went to number one in lots of other places as well. so all sudden , um, we were on all of a sudden, um, we were on the dole for three months before we made our first album in 1986. and so the next thing i kid you not, it's like everybody wants to know you when you're hot to trot, when you're the latest new thing. and we were like, um , thing. and we were like, um, jetting all over the world. we were because were using private jets because , you know, we do top of the pops at home and then the german or munich equivalent of top of the pops, they needed you and the pops, they needed you and the scheduled flights weren't running right time . running at the right time. so a jet ordered . and we
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jet would be ordered. and we were also signed to virgin records when richard branson owned the label, as well as the airline . so if we flew airline. so if we flew transatlantically , we were transatlantically, we were automatically put in first class, i can't tell you. and then, you know, your name opens doors and you get the best table and all sorts of wonderful things happen. you get invited to all the red carpet events and it's just absolutely everything you could. you think it would be. it's amazing. yeah and so then what happened- be. it's amazing. yeah and so then what happened to- 0 “g “»:3“ and so then what happened to what nopponoo— then what happened to what nopponoo io— then what happened to what happened to people? because they inono— happened to people? because they were there and— happened to people? because they were there and then— happened to people? because they were there and then they sort of oiooppoonoo— were there and then they sort of oiooppoonoo .— were there and then they sort of disappeared . and— were there and then they sort of disappeared . and i was like, disappeared. and i was like, wnono— disappeared. and i was like, wnono nowo— disappeared. and i was like, where have they— disappeared. and i was like, where have they what where have they gone? what did you where have they gone? what did. woo—nopponoo you do afterwards? what happened oiion— you do afterwards? what happened oiionlwoii,— you do afterwards? what happened oiionlwoii, wo — you do afterwards? what happened afteriwell, we had— you do afterwards? what happened after well, we had three top after? well, we had three top ion— after? well, we had three top ion oipono— after? well, we had three top ten albums and— after? well, we had three top ten albums and we had eight top 40 ten albums and we had eight top oo oingioo. — ten albums and we had eight top oo oingioo. so— ten albums and we had eight top 40 singles. so we— ten albums and we had eight top 40 singles. »: »: 40 singles. so we did okay, the original line up and then , yeah, original line up and then, yeah, the 90s tough. we um, went the 90s was tough. we um, went through some personal stuff, so my song writing partner and the guy that put the band together with me, he was we were partners, personal partners for over 13 years. and that relationship broke up. my dad
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died. the label dropped us, you name it. everything thing went from this. like, um , glorious from this. like, um, glorious existence to being quite depressed. i'll be completely honest about it. everything sort of went wrong. and then in the 90s, because i'd made a little bit of a name for myself, i was able to do things like a little bit of acting. i did some west end work , i did some telly, i end work, i did some telly, i did some independent movies as it's movies , it's just it's not adult movies, it's just independent movies. everybody i did some. wasn't that desperate. i did some radio presenting for quite a lot of stations and i met my now husband and we started our family in 1998. so i was very busy. i just wasn't up in your grill anymore, you know? but i had lots to do . and then, but i had lots to do. and then, um, i got working again in two the late 90s put a band together in 2001. in started the first kind of, you know , the 80s kind of, you know, the 80s renaissance thing that's been going on for quite a while. so i
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did this big tour called here and now with paul young, kim wilde and go west to pao and china crisis and we all went on tour together and we sold out all the arenas around the uk as all the arenas around the uk as a package and that sort of thing. just hasn't stopped ko— thing. just hasn't stopped since. as i'm— thing. just hasn't stopped since. as i'm sure- thing. just hasn't stopped since. as i'm sure everybody knows, you know, there's tonnes and tonnes of festivals constantly working. just got back from dubai, did a big shout out there. so it all came back again, which is lovely, but i did kind of have to think on my feet across the 90s for sure, but i was busy with babies, so that's okay. so. so is that what woono— that's okay. so. so is that what woono poing— that's okay. so. so is that what you're doing now— that's okay. so. so is that what you're doing now ?_ that's okay. so. so is that what you're doing now ? are- so. so is that what you're doing now ? are you doing you're doing now? are you doing all you're doing now? are you doing oii ino— you're doing now? are you doing oii ino ioono— you're doing now? are you doing all the tours and— you're doing now? are you doing all the tours and concerts and iningop— all the tours and concerts and iningop woono— all the tours and concerts and things? you're still touring ? things? you're still touring? yes:— things? you're still touring? woo. woon.— things? you're still touring? yes, yeah, absolutely- things? you're still touring? yes, yeah, absolutely .- things? you're still touring? yes, yeah, absolutely. if anybody is interested or cares, you can always find us. you know, out there on the internet, on twitter or our facebook, and we're always gigging and there's a list of gigs and events , you a list of gigs and events, you know, coming to a town near you, singing near you singing in a field near you across summer and last year
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across the summer and last year i did a fantastic night of the proms tour with nik kershaw, amy macdonald and yolanda brown. and we toured across germany with a 60 piece orchestra and a 30 piece choir and a six piece rock band to do 15,000 people a night just it's great. it's fantastic. life's good. well, listen, oonoo— life's good. well, listen, cgor, ii-o— life's good. well, listen, carol, it's so— life's good. well, listen, carol, it's so good- �*7: 3: well, listen, carol, it's so good to see you ono— carol, it's so good to see you on io— carol, it's so good to see you on io ioik— carol, it's so good to see you and to talk to— carol, it's so good to see you and to talk to you- carol, it's so good to see you and to talk to you in person . and to talk to you in person. in — and to talk to you in person. in oonnw— and to talk to you in person. in oonnw i— and to talk to you in person. i'm sorry i sound— and to talk to you in person. i'm sorry i sound from me to you woono— i'm sorry i sound from me to you wooni gnoop,— i'm sorry i sound from me to you wasn't great, but— i'm sorry i sound from me to you wasn't great, but we— i'm sorry i sound from me to you wasn't great, but we can hear you— wasn't great, but we can hear you--_ wasn't great, but we can hear woo-. oonoo— wasn't great, but we can hear woo-. conoi. i- wasn't great, but we can hear you-. carol. i wish- wasn't great, but we can hear you . carol. i wish you you clearly. carol. i wish you oii—i-n- you clearly. carol. i wish youi all—i'm hopefully all the success. i'm hopefully going—oono- all the success. i'm hopefully going—oono iol all the success. i'm hopefully. going—come to one all the success. i'm hopefully- going_come to one of going to come and come to one of woon— going to come and come to one of woon ooonoon— going to come and come to one of your concerts because everyone woo— your concerts because everyonei woo—inoi-o you mentioned that that's that's pock— you mentioned that that's that's pow—.- you mentioned that that's that's pook—. so,- back in the day for me. so, conoi— back in the day for me. so, oooi—wool back in the day for me. so,i conoi—woo wonw carol decker, thank you very noon. — carol decker, thank you very much. you'll— carol decker, thank you very much. you'll love- carol decker, thank you very much. /»: cc 0 \»3“3 carol decker, thank you very- much. you'll love it, nana. good to talk to you and nice to meet you. talk to you, too. that is ino— you. talk to you, too. that is no onozing— you. talk to you, too. that is the amazing carol— talk to you, too. that is the amazing carol decker singer and the amazing carol decker singer onoo—oowl and musician. back in the day, ono— and musician. back in the day, oio—snoo- and musician. back in the day, oio—sno-o-ooi she was huge. she's doing so woii— she was huge. she's doing so wok—oon- she was huge. she's doing so. well—can catch well even today. you can catch non— well even today. you can catch non-onook— well even today. you can catch her-check her- well even today. you can catch her-check her out- well even today. you can catch her check her out on her on tour. check her out on non— her on tour. check her out on her instagram._ her on tour. check her out on her instagram. but you've her instagram. but if you've iooi— her instagram. but if you've iooo—woioonol her instagram. but if you've just—welcome onj just joined me, welcome on pooo.— just joined me, welcome on pooo-now- just joined me, welcome on pooo-now on- just joined me, welcome on- board.-now on .way. board. it's time now on the way. ino— board. it's time now on the way. ino -pniiion — board. it's time now on the way. the - british debate - board. it's time now on the way. the british debate i'm the great british debate i'm ooking— the great british debate i'm ooking-ino— the great british debate i'm asking, the government out asking, are the government out of asking, are the government out oi—popiiop- of touch with the public? prime iiinioion— of touch with the public? primei minister—advised minister rishi sunak has advised nnonnonpo— minister rishi sunak has advised members-public- minister rishi sunak has advised members public hold members of the public to hold inoin— members of the public to hold inoin nonwo— members of the public to hold their nerve amid— members of the public to hold their nerve amid all the
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nongogo— their nerve amid all the mortgage mayhem . whilst reports mortgage mayhem. whilst reports ooggooi—io- mortgage mayhem. whilst reports ooggooi—io nip- suggest it's expected to hit households— suggest it's expected to hit households £170 year, households with £170 a year, gnoon— households with £170 a year, gnoon ioww— households with £170 a year, gnoon ievy so— households with £170 a year, green levy so was he completely out green levy so was he completely ooi oi— green levy so was he completely ooi oi iooon—
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debate. this hour, i'm asking , debate. this hour, i'm asking, are the government out of touch with the public now, prime minister rishi sunak has advised members of the public to hold their nerve amid all the mortgage mayhem . he also said mortgage mayhem. he also said that those affected should recognise that inflation is the real enemy while supporting the action taken by the bank of england earlier this week. interest rates have now hit 5, which in my day wasn't that big. it was what you would expect. but a lot of people but obviously a lot of people are heavily, heavily mortgage ed and these are the highest levels since 2008 with people's mortgages set to go through the roof. experts have estimated that home owners disposable income could drop by as much as 20% as a result. and according to reports, energy bills are expected to increase, with households being forced to pay a £170 a year. green levy. so does the government even consider the general public when making these decisions? what are your thoughts? so for the great british debate this out, i'm asking, are the government out of touch with the public to
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discuss i'm joined by dr. discuss this? i'm joined by dr. roger draghi schwalbe. i've said it right. it's g. bob. i've got it right. it's g. bob. i've got it right. it's g. bob. i've got it right. former adviser to the bank england and uk treasury bank of england and uk treasury , belinda lucy, former brexit , belinda de lucy, former brexit party mep and political commentator , and suzanne evans, commentator, and suzanne evans, political commentator and rob williams, socialist party trade union organiser. well, i've got to start with you, roger. just to start with you, roger. just to go straight to the question , to go straight to the question, do you think that the government are out of touch, first of all, with totally . i've been in this with totally. i've been in this oooninw— with totally. i've been in this country—decadesj with totally. i've been in this- country_decades and country seven, many decades and ivo— country seven, many decades and i've never seen anything like it onio— i've never seen anything like it inio nonning— i've never seen anything like it this morning, the— i've never seen anything like it this morning, the interview wnono— this morning, the interview where are the— this morning, the interview where are the prime minister ooio— where are the prime minister an, noio— where are the prime minister said, hold the— where are the prime minister said, hold the line on was was nooiiw— said, hold the line on was was nooiiw ino— said, hold the line on was was really the cherry— said, hold the line on was was really the cherry on the cake for really the cherry on the cake ion no— really the cherry on the cake ion no inop— really the cherry on the cake for me that just— really the cherry on the cake for me that just unbelievable. he for me that just unbelievable. no oopponio— for me that just unbelievable. he supports andrew— for me that just unbelievable. he supports andrew bailey in the bank of england with their rate rises in other words, he supports mr bailey who said do not ask for a pay rise , do not not ask for a pay rise, do not attempt to make profits in your businesses at the present time because you people are causing the inflation to keep going up. i mean, where are we in china?
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is this what an oaf? what a ridiculous thing to say. can i also say one thing? you just mentioned that 5. and in my time that wasn't a lot of people are saying that read the leeds building society report , which building society report, which points out that a 6% 6.4, to be precise mortgage rate today would have been 25.7% in 1980. so a 5% mortgage today probably would have been about 18% back then. so those weren't the good old days, folks . oh, wow. okay. old days, folks. oh, wow. okay. so old days, folks. oh, wow. okay. so onoo-o— old days, folks. oh, wow. okay. so that's interesting.— it»»: : oh, wow. okay. so that's interesting. rob wiiiiono— so that's interesting. rob williams, the— so that's interesting. rob williams, the socialist party ono— williams, the socialist party on onooo— williams, the socialist party and trade union— williams, the socialist party and trade union organiser , do and trade union organiser, do woo— and trade union organiser, do woo inink— and trade union organiser, do you think there— and trade union organiser, do you think there are out of touch 7 you think there are out of touch i won— you think there are out of touch ? well absolutely— you think there are out of touch ? well absolutely out of touch. they've— ? well absolutely out of touch. they've trashed _ ? well absolutely out of touch. they've trashed the— ? well absolutely out of touch. they've trashed the economy. it's funny at the moment, isn't it? the tory party is so split that every few months there's a new prime minister and it's almost as if they are trying to kid this. they hadn't been in power years, so yeah, power for 13 years, so yeah, these are the people who are telling that they telling workers that they shouldn't pay that shouldn't have a pay rise that matches inflation. real matches the inflation. real inflation is over 11% at the
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moment. food inflation is probably nearer 20. so workers are taking strike action at the moment because is not to do that would mean that they're going to have their living standards crushed at this moment in time . crushed at this moment in time. so time's up for this government , isn't it? well, surely , , isn't it? well, surely, inoogn— , isn't it? well, surely, inoogn ii— , isn't it? well, surely, though, if the - 0 07’ well, surely, though, if the pay rise went wiin— though, if the pay rise went with inflation— though, if the pay rise went with inflation as it would, i'm iooi— with inflation as it would, i'm iooo going— with inflation as it would, i'm iooo going io— with inflation as it would, i'm just going to come back to roger on-koo— just going to come back to roger on-koo ioikoo— just going to come back to roger on _you talked-11%. on that. you talked about 11% win—gooo- on that. you talked about 11% with—goes with. with the pay rise goes with iniioiion. — with the pay rise goes with inflation. would that not inflation. isn't would that not oioo— inflation. isn't would that not also encourage— inflation. isn't would that not also encourage inflation? is inop— also encourage inflation? is no ion-i— also encourage inflation? is that isn't that— also encourage inflation? is that isn't that an issue? so the so that isn't that an issue? so the oo ino— that isn't that an issue? so the oo ino oooi— that isn't that an issue? so the so the cost of— that isn't that an issue? so the so the cost of living is going inoogn— so the cost of living is going innoogn ino— so the cost of living is going through the roof. 33 through the roof. these mortgage increases will do that again . i increases will do that again. i think some people will have their mortgages go up in a little over a year and a half by 4 or £500 a month in that time. so inflation is spiralling, pfices so inflation is spiralling, prices are going through the roof, but workers wages haven't kept with that. that's the lie. the workers wages is cause inflation. it's not the case. is it a lie, roger? is. it's a oio.— is it a lie, roger? is. it's a
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lie. because there has been an increase in wages, but not enough to cause inflation. there's also labour shortages which are to blame and people go brexit, brexit, still not enough to cause the inflation. the inflation that we have is cost push inflation in non consumer dnven push inflation in non consumer driven inflation. we're not spending . it's driven by food spending. it's driven by food and energy and services out of our control and you don't bring it down. you never bring it down by interest rate rises. you're just crushing people . let me just crushing people. let me bnng just crushing people. let me bring suzanne— just crushing people. let me bring suzanne in— just crushing people. let me bring suzanne in on- »t.”.5“ “g let me bring suzanne in on this. soonno— bring suzanne in on this. soonno — bring suzanne in on this. suzanne yeah,- bring suzanne in on this. suzanne yeah, i- bring suzanne in on this. suzanne / bring suzanne in on this. suzanne “»:3“ bring suzanne in on this.- suzanne yeah, i have to agree with roger on that. you know, people have tried to say that all kinds of causes for inflation. they talk about wage increases. they talk about brexit. the fact is, what has caused this spiral of inflation? two things, really. it's the fact that we locked down our society for the best part of three years, sent businesses to the wall, stopped businesses trading, put huge amounts of
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quantitative easing , money quantitative easing, money printing into the economy and some 100 billion over that penod. some 100 billion over that period . and then, of course, we period. and then, of course, we had on the hot on the heels of that the war in ukraine, which sent energy prices spiralling. so you've got this combination of war, which also caused problems for the supply chains , problems for the supply chains, which are already very hard hit and leading to price rises as a consequence of covid policies. so here we are. we're in a terrible position. is the government out of touch on it? i was deeply disappointed when all rishi sunak seemed to be able to say in response to the fact that the inflation figures for may hadnt the inflation figures for may hadn't budged at all, but they were just stuck where they'd beenin were just stuck where they'd been in april. all he seemed to been in april. all he seemed to be able to say was, well, i'm 100% on it. it's going to be okay. we're going to get through it. well, you might feel confident that. rishi or a confident about that. rishi or a very wealthy man, but a lot of the rest of us are feeling the rest of us are not feeling confident at all. belinda de lucy— confident at all. belinda de ioow woon— confident at all. belinda de lucy yeah,iagree- confident at all. belinda de lucy yeah,iagree with- »5i:“ »:i:“ belinda de lucy yeah, agree with suzanne. lucy yeah, i agree with suzanne.
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voo— lucy yeah, i agree with suzanne. you know.— lucy yeah, i agree with suzanne. you know. wnon— lucy yeah, i agree with suzanne. you know, when rishi— lucy yeah, i agree with suzanne. you know, when rishi took- lucy yeah, i agree with suzanne. you know, when rishi took the keys to number ten, yougov did a poll and two thirds of those polled said that they believed wealthy business man and a man who was married to a billionaires daughter was going to be out of touch with the ordinary person. now, normally i wooion-i— ordinary person. now, normally i wouldn't associate— ordinary person. now, normally i wouldn't associate-a- wouldn't associate with a poiiiioiono— wouldn't associate with a politicians and- wouldn't associate with a politicians and how much money inow— politicians and how much money inow-ono— politicians and how much money inow-ono now— politicians and how much money they and how much they have and how much how oooonwingiw— they have and how much how deservingly they— they have and how much how deservingly they were of power poooooo— deservingly they were of power poooooo-poi— deservingly they were of power because but actually in because of it. but actually in onio— because of it. but actually in inio—ono- because of it. but actually in inio—ono ino| this current climate and the ooiiono— this current climate and the ooiiono oi— this current climate and the actions of-rishi - this current climate and the actions of rishi hunt actions of the rishi and hunt collaboration— actions of the rishi and hunt collaboration have proved they are desperately— collaboration have proved they are desperately out of touch wiin — are desperately out of touch win no — are desperately out of touch with the people. _ are desperately out of touch with the people. people are oinoggiing— with the people. people are struggling with— with the people. people are struggling with bills and they oiop— struggling with bills and they oiop on— struggling with bills and they oiop on iiio— struggling with bills and they slap on £170 green levy and unnecessary green levy on people wnon— unnecessary green levy on people wnon inow-no — unnecessary green levy on people when they're struggling . people when they're struggling. people nooo— when they're struggling. people nooo noooing.— when they're struggling. people need housing. people need better popiio— need housing. people need better popiio oonwiooo— need housing. people need better public services and— need housing. people need better public services and they open the public services and they open ino goioo— public services and they open ino goioo io— public services and they open the gates to 600,000 people a woon.— the gates to 600,000 people a woon. koo— the gates to 600,000 people a woon. woo know,— the gates to 600,000 people a year. you know, people want to oiop— year. you know, people want to oiop ino— year. you know, people want to oiop ino pooio— year. you know, people want to stop the boats and more people nowo— stop the boats and more people nowo oniooo— stop the boats and more people have arrived in— stop the boats and more people have arrived in boats this june. so have arrived in boats this june. so ion— have arrived in boats this june. so ion inon— have arrived in boats this june. so far than-of- have arrived in boats this june. so far than _of june. so far than the whole of june iooi— so far than the whole of june iooi woon. — so far than the whole of june iooi woon. ano— so far than the whole of june last year. and it's— so far than the whole of june last year. and it's because they poopio— last year. and it's because they poopio oo— last year. and it's because they see people as numbers. they're ponk— see people as numbers. they're ponk oionko— see people as numbers. they're bank clerks and— see people as numbers. they're bank clerks and they just see oion— bank clerks and they just see onon oonn— bank clerks and they just see short term solutions . they don't short term solutions. they don't onionoiono— short term solutions. they don't understand-cost— short term solutions. they don't understand-cost of- short term solutions. they don't understand cost of to understand the cost of this to ino— understand the cost of this to no oonoog— understand the cost of this to the average person on the street poooooo— the average person on the street pooooooowo—n- the average person on the street
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because—have never| because maybe they have never okponionooo— because maybe they have never experienced themselves. experienced it themselves. and the experienced it themselves. and oio-ii— experienced it themselves. and ino-ii ono— experienced it themselves. and the-it are terrible.- the optics of it are terrible. inow-no— the optics of it are terrible. they're devoid— the optics of it are terrible. they're devoid of ideas . they're they're devoid of ideas. they're iiko— they're devoid of ideas. they're iiko-oi— they're devoid of ideas. they're like-of stagnation- they're devoid of ideas. they're like-of stagnation .. they're devoid of ideas. they're like of stagnation . and like a vacuum of stagnation. and inow— like a vacuum of stagnation. and inow now— like a vacuum of stagnation. and inow now woii— like a vacuum of stagnation. and they may well steady the ship, but they may well steady the ship, poi inono-o— they may well steady the ship, but there's no— they may well steady the ship, but there's no -no - they may well steady the ship, but there's no no motor, but there's no sail, no motor, no nop— but there's no sail, no motor, no nop ,— but there's no sail, no motor, no map, no compass. there's no pion— no map, no compass. there's no pionlgnowin— no map, no compass. there's no pionlgnowin on— no map, no compass. there's no plan growth or optimism. and plan for growth or optimism. and inoo— plan for growth or optimism. and no io— plan for growth or optimism. and that is preventing— plan for growth or optimism. and that is preventing inaya government— that is preventing inaya government and our country being oiinooiiwo— government and our country being oiinooiiwo ion— government and our country being attractive for people to come nono— attractive for people to come nono ono — attractive for people to come here and create— attractive for people to come here and create wealth . i'm so here and create wealth. i'm so oiooppoinioo— here and create wealth. i'm so disappointed with— here and create wealth. i'm so disappointed with the uninspired ining. — disappointed with the uninspired ining. iiioii— disappointed with the uninspired thing. rishi hunt's government at thing. rishi hunt's government oi ino— thing. rishi hunt's government at the moment. _ thing. rishi hunt's government at the moment. iii»:cc ?5“ at the moment. well well, rishi seems to think, belinda, that we should hold our nerve. that's what he's saying. it's so patronising . yeah. i what he's saying. it's so patronising. yeah. i mean, what he's saying. it's so patronising . yeah. i mean, this patronising. yeah. i mean, this is. this is a classic example. he is not a people person . he is not a people person. rishi, what you say rishi, this is not what you say , especially because many people put bit of the blame at put a bit of the blame at conservative policies. you know , billions were lost during covid to fraud and error and the government have have had little action over chlorine. for example , the £5 billion that example, the £5 billion that were lost to the taxpayer over the furlough scheme. no interest in clawing that back £6 million a day on housing men that come here from france, there's such a
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waste of money going on and they don't. people look at them and they see they're they see that they're responsible all for of the responsible all for a lot of the taxpayers burden. and now they're asking fork out they're asking us to fork out for middle green for their middle class green project. yeah, for their middle class green project . yeah, but it does seem project. yeah, but it does seem inoo— project. yeah, but it does seem inoilnoon— project. yeah, but it does seem thatimean, roger,— 5 yeah, but it does seem that mean, roger, they're that i mean, roger, they're ooking— that i mean, roger, they're ooking-ionk— that i mean, roger, they're asking-fork out- that i mean, roger, they're asking fork out extra asking us to fork out extra iiio— asking us to fork out extra poo—goon- asking us to fork out extra- £170._green ideological £170. now some green ideological pnoiooi— £170. now some green ideological pnor-ooi ono— £170. now some green ideological pnor-ooi ono inop— £170. now some green ideological project and that we— £170. now some green ideological project and that we should hold our nerve. this— project and that we should hold our nerve. this this feels like an our nerve. this this feels like on okinonoiw— our nerve. this this feels like an extremely patronising thing . an extremely patronising thing. wnoi— an extremely patronising thing. wnoi onooio— an extremely patronising thing. what should they actually be poing— what should they actually be doing p — what should they actually be ooing o no— what should they actually be doing ? it's all— what should they actually be doing ? 0 “g doing? it's all patronising. it's been patronise izing from the start. the government, this government aren't their solution to the energy crisis and the rest of everything is gaslight ing. they just tell us things are wonderful and they're doing so well. i mean , it's dismal, so well. i mean, it's dismal, right ? she's biggest rishi so right? she's biggest rishi so rich that his biggest financial concern is whether to give his kids their pocket money in bitcoin or ethereum . i mean, bitcoin or ethereum. i mean, they just don't live in the real world. they have no idea what's going on. i spend a lot of time with politicians on both sides and frankly, on both sides . none and frankly, on both sides. none of them really understand the
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people. i also spend my time with, which are the financially challenged people of this country. they really don't get it. to hire a coach and it. i want to hire a coach and get some people from westminster or out of the bubble and have them come and have dinner or probably no dinner or cold beans with a lot of families, particularly up north, and see how people actually live because bless them , they just don't get bless them, they just don't get it. while they're standing at the commons bar. well, it. while they're standing at the commons bar . well, listen, the commons bar. well, listen, kogon— the commons bar. well, listen, ioogon kwiw— the commons bar. well, listen, roger kyiv, thank— the commons bar. well, listen, roger kyiv, thank you- well, listen, roger kyiv, thank you very much. no-o— roger kyiv, thank you very much. no-o o— roger kyiv, thank you very much. no-o o ioo— roger kyiv, thank you very much. he's a former adviser to the ponk— he's a former adviser to the ponk oi— he's a former adviser to the bank of england— he's a former adviser to the bank of england and uk treasury. poiinoo— bank of england and uk treasury. poiinoo ioow— bank of england and uk treasury. belinda lucy, former brexit party— belinda lucy, former brexit party-political. party mep and political commentator- party mep and political- commentator-evans, commentator suzanne evans, poiiiiooi— commentator suzanne evans, political commentator and rob wiiiiono— political commentator and rob williams, socialist party and onooo— williams, socialist party and trade-organiser.- williams, socialist party and trade organiser. thank you trade union organiser. thank you for trade union organiser. thank you ion-inoognio— trade union organiser. thank you for thoughts, please for your thoughts, but please get for your thoughts, but please gei--_ for your thoughts, but please goi-. wnoi— for your thoughts, but please goi-. wnoi oo- for your thoughts, but please get . what do you think get in touch. what do you think iiio— get in touch. what do you think no io— get in touch. what do you think no io a— get in touch. what do you think no io a op— get in touch. what do you think this is a gb news.— get in touch. what do you think this is a gb news. i'm nana akua iiko— this is a gb news. i'm nana akua iiwo on— this is a gb news. i'm nana akua iiwo on iv— this is a gb news. i'm nana akua live on tv online— this is a gb news. i'm nana akua live on tv online and on digital nooio— live on tv online and on digital nooio-ino— live on tv online and on digital radio .the -we'll- live on tv online and on digital radio the we'll continue radio on the way. we'll continue wiin— radio on the way. we'll continue wiin -pniiion - radio on the way. we'll continue with british debate with our great british debate onio— with our great british debate inio-ooking- with our great british debate this-asking are- with our great british debate this asking are the this hour. i'm asking are the gowonnnoni— this hour. i'm asking are the government touch with the government out of touch with the popiiop— government out of touch with the popiiop-ino— government out of touch with the public? the thoughts of my public? ulez the thoughts of my pang,— public? ulez the thoughts of my ponoi—ooppon- panel, broadcaster and author onnioiino— panel, broadcaster and author christine hamilton was a broadcaster— christine hamilton was a broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny koiiw— broadcaster and journalist danny koiiw. poi— broadcaster and journalist danny koiiw. poi rig,— broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. but first, let's get your
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ioiooi— kelly. but first, let's get your latest-headlines- kelly. but first, let's get your latest-headlines .- kelly. but first, let's get your latest headlines . c kelly. but first, let's get your latest headlines . 0 55:7» latest news headlines. it's 532. in — latest news headlines. it's 532. in oonon— latest news headlines. it's 532. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. the united states says yesterday's armed rebellion in russia was a direct challenge to vladimir putin's authority and reveals cracks appearing in his military strategy. the mutiny by the wagner mercenary group was called off last night, and it's understood its leader, yevgeny prigozhin , will be exiled to prigozhin, will be exiled to belarus . vladimir putin belarus. vladimir putin described it as an act of treason in a televised address , treason in a televised address, the us secretary of state, antony blinken, says the turmoil could take months to play out, but is likely to affect moscow's capabilities in ukraine. to the extent this presents- extent this presents a distraction _ extent this presents a distraction ,- extent this presents a distraction , a loss of focus for distraction, a loss of focus for ino— distraction, a loss of focus for the russians,— distraction, a loss of focus for the russians, that— distraction, a loss of focus for the russians, that may help the pknoiniono— the russians, that may help the ukrainians on— the russians, that may help the ukrainians on the— the russians, that may help the ukrainians on the battlefield . ukrainians on the battlefield. pkooiiw— ukrainians on the battlefield. exactly where _ ukrainians on the battlefield. exactly where this goes , we exactly where this goes, we oon-i— exactly where this goes, we oon-i know. — exactly where this goes, we don't know. but— exactly where this goes, we don't know. but what we do know is don't know. but what we do know io inoo— don't know. but what we do know io inoi w-woo— don't know. but what we do know is that we've seen— don't know. but what we do know is that we've seen real cracks onogo— is that we've seen real cracks onnogo .— is that we've seen real cracks onnonog . ogoin— is that we've seen real cracks onnonog . kgoin o— is that we've seen real cracks emerge . again, a direct emerge. again, a direct onoiiongo— emerge. again, a direct challenge to- emerge. again, a direct
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challenge to putin's authority . challenge to putin's authority. all challenge to putin's authority. on oooio— challenge to putin's authority. all state secondary schools in pngiono— all state secondary schools in ingiono ono— all state secondary schools in england are now— all state secondary schools in england are now equipped with a defibrillator— england are now equipped with a defibrillator. _ england are now equipped with a defibrillator. the— england are now equipped with a defibrillator . g defibrillator. the government says secondary schools received priority because of the risk of cardiac arrest. it increases with age . the department for with age. the department for health says the device will also be rolled out in primary and special schools. that's due to be completed by the end of the summer term and the met office is warning people to enjoy the heat responsibly. it's as a 15 year old girl died after being pulled from the sea in lincolnshire . the forecaster lincolnshire. the forecaster recorded 31.7 degrees in lincolnshire , were close to the lincolnshire, were close to the top of the temperature charts . top of the temperature charts. 32.2, though, was recorded in surrey earlier this month . surrey earlier this month. thunderstorms and heavy showers are expected to hit northern england, scotland and parts of northern ireland later this evening . more on all of our evening. more on all of our stories on our website. as always . gb news .com. stories on our website. as always. gb news .com. now stories on our website. as always . gb news .com. now back always. gb news .com. now back to nana .
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to nana. thank to nana.- i thank you, io wono.— . thank you, aaron. coming up to nana. thank you, aaron. coming up, - thank you, aaron. coming up, ioopowono— - thank you, aaron. coming up, iokpowono iooo — - thank you, aaron. coming up, taxpayers facel£100,_ thank you, aaron. coming up, taxpayers face £100, £170 a taxpayers face a £100, £170 a woon— taxpayers face a £100, £170 a woon gnoon— taxpayers face a £100, £170 a woon gnoon ioww— taxpayers face a £100, £170 a year green levy on top of their onongw— year green levy on top of their onongw piiio— year green levy on top of their energy bills within a few days. inoi-o— energy bills within a few days. that's according— energy bills within a few days. that's according to reports. so for that's according to reports. so ion ino— that's according to reports. so ion ino onooo— that's according to reports. so for the great british debate, in— for the great british debate, in ooking— for the great british debate, i'm asking government i'm asking how the government out i'm asking how the government ooi oi— i'm asking how the government ooi oi-wiin— i'm asking how the government out of-with the- i'm asking how the government out of with the public out of touch with the public pnino— out of touch with the public prime minister— out of touch with the public prime minister rishi sunak has oowiooo—ino- prime minister rishi sunak has advised the public prime minister rishi sunak has. advised _the public to advised members of the public to noio—onio— advised members of the public to hold_amid.the- hold their nerve amid all the nongogo— mortgage mayhem. perhaps he oooio— mortgage mayhem. perhaps he oooio-pow— mortgage mayhem. perhaps he oooio-pow-oi- mortgage mayhem. perhaps he could-pay-of the| could help to pay some of the piiio— could help to pay some of the piiio. poi— could help to pay some of the bills. but what— could help to pay some of the bills. but what what kind of inooniiwo— bills. but what what kind of incentive is— bills. but what what kind of incentive is that? what do you ininkp— incentive is that? what do you think?-tuned. _ incentive is that? what do you think? tuned. we'll think? stay tuned. we'll discuss inoo— think? stay tuned. we'll discuss onoo-wow—
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britain's news. channel c: britain's news. channel good afternoon. it's— britain's news. channel c: it's coming britain's news. channel c: “ it's coming up to 39 afternoon. it's coming up to 39 ninoioo— afternoon. it's coming up to 39 minutes after— afternoon. it's coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00.— “ it's coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00. this is gb wowo. — minutes after 5:00. this is gb wowo. wo— minutes after 5:00. this is gb wowo. wo ono— minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the— minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's oponnoi— news. we are the people's channel. i'm— news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're iiko— channel. i'm nana akua. we're iiwo on— channel. i'm nana akua. we're iiwo on w,— channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online— channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on oigiioi— live on tv, online and on digital radio. _ live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's now time for the digital radio. it's now time for no onooo— digital radio. it's now time for the great british— digital radio. it's now time for the great british debate this noon.— the great british debate this noon. ano— the great british debate this noon. and in— the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, are the gowonnnoni— hour. and i'm asking, are the government out— hour. and i'm asking, are the government out of touch with the popiio— government out of touch with the popiio inionooi— government out of touch with the public interest rates hit 5% onio— public interest rates hit 5% pp wook— public interest rates hit 5% this week-are- public interest rates hit 5% this week are now at the this week and are now at the nignooi— this week and are now at the highest level— this week and are now at the highest level since 2008. and poopio-o— highest level since 2008. and people's mortgages are set to go inoogn— people's mortgages are set to go innoogn ino— people's mortgages are set to go through the roof— people's mortgages are set to go through the roof with some ooiinoioo— through the roof with some estimates that— through the roof with some estimates that that homeowners oiopooopio— estimates that that homeowners disposable income drop disposable income could drop by as disposable income could drop by oo noon— disposable income could drop by as much as 20%_ disposable income could drop by as much as 20% as— disposable income could drop by as much as 20% as a result. did ino— as much as 20% as a result. did the government— as much as 20% as a result. did the government even consider the gononoi— the government even consider the gononoi popiio— the government even consider the general public when making these oooioionop— general public when making these oooioionop i— general public when making these decisions? i mean,— general public when making these decisions? i mean, seems for decisions? i mean, it seems for nin— decisions? i mean, it seems for pin—woon- decisions? i mean, it seems for pin—woon nowol decisions? i mean, it seems fori him _your nerve kyiv him to say, hold your nerve kyiv oooio— him to say, hold your nerve kyiv sounds as though— him to say, hold your nerve kyiv sounds as though he thinks you can sounds as though he thinks you oon-on— sounds as though he thinks you oon-on-wonnwl can just go, oh, don't worry, ii-o— can just go, oh, don't worry, ii-olwo-ii— can just go, oh, don't worry, it's-we'll just— can just go, oh, don't worry, it's we'll just hang on to it's 5. we'll just hang on to onoo.— it's 5. we'll just hang on to inoi. ii-ii— it's 5. we'll just hang on to that. it'll be— it's 5. we'll just hang on to that. it'll be fine. listen poopio— that. it'll be fine. listen people worried about holding people are worried about holding on— noio- people are worried about holding on— noioliol on to their homes. hold on to woon— on to their homes. hold on to woon-wnoi-
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on to their homes. hold on to your-what be your homes is what you should be oowing. — your homes is what you should be oowing. _ion— your homes is what you should be oowing. _ion ino— your homes is what you should be saying.-for the great- saying. and so for the great pninon— saying. and so for the great british-this- saying. and so for the great british-this out,- saying. and so for the great british this out, i'm british debate this out, i'm ooking— british debate this out, i'm asking, government asking, are the government out of asking, are the government out oi—ino— asking, are the government out of_the public?- asking, are the government out of the public? let's of touch with the public? let's ooo-nw— of touch with the public? let's ooo-nw-noko- of touch with the public? let's. see-my-makelthat. see what my panel make of that. i'm _broadcaster- see what my panel make of that. i'm _broadcaster and i i'm joined by broadcaster and ioonnoiioi— i'm joined by broadcaster and journalist hamilton journalist christine hamilton ono— journalist christine hamilton ono oioo— journalist christine hamilton and also broadcaster and ioonnoiioi— and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. christine,— journalist danny kelly. christine, made you christine, i've made you a ioonnoiioi.— christine, i've made you a journalist. you— christine, i've made you a journalist. you have made. you nowo— journalist. you have made. you have written. _ journalist. you have made. you have written. you— journalist. you have made. you have written. /»: 5“ have written. you can make me what like. i'mjust have written. you can make me what like. i'm just a what you like. i'm just a noinoo— what you like. i'm just a retired housewife.- c i'm just a retired housewife. yes yes, of inow— retired housewife. yes yes, of course. they have— retired housewife. yes yes, of course. they have it . to use course. they have it. to use onooo— course. they have it. to use inooo wonoo— course. they have it. to use those words is— course. they have it. to use those words is absolutely extraordinary. _ those words is absolutely extraordinary. he's basically oowing— extraordinary. he's basically oowing io— extraordinary. he's basically oowing io nono— extraordinary. he's basically saying to hard pressed britons ono— saying to hard pressed britons ono ioo-o— saying to hard pressed britons ono ioi-o noi— saying to hard pressed britons and let's not forget that on poionoo— and let's not forget that on balance, people— and let's not forget that on balance, people with mortgages are more likely— balance, people with mortgages are more likely to— balance, people with mortgages are more likely to be tory oiono— are more likely to be tory oiono so— are more likely to be tory voters. so he's- are more likely to be tory voters. so he's really talking to voters. so he's really talking ioiown— voters. so he's really talking ioiown oo— voters. so he's really talking to-own core vote,- voters. so he's really talking to own core vote, which is to his own core vote, which is oiipping— to his own core vote, which is siipping away— to his own core vote, which is slipping away from him. oh, inoi-o— slipping away from him. oh, inoi-o oii— slipping away from him. oh, that's all right.— slipping away from him. oh, that's all right. you know, just get that's all right. you know, just goi—iopi— that's all right. you know, just goi—ii-ii po- that's all right. you know, just get—it'll be all- get a grip and it'll be all igno— get a grip and it'll be all nono-poopio- get a grip and it'll be all right. people will be get a grip and it'll be all- right.-people will be able right. some people will be able to_increased- right. some people will be ablei to_increased ease. to manage these increased ease. sono— to manage these increased ease. sono poopio— to manage these increased ease. some people mortgages will some people with mortgages will nowo— some people with mortgages will nooo-ii— some people with mortgages will nooo-ii wono— some people with mortgages will have _it were, that- some people with mortgages will have it were, that they have fat, as it were, that they okin — have fat, as it were, that they okin oii— have fat, as it were, that they can skim off and— have fat, as it were, that they can skim off and they will be opio—goingl able to. but they're going to be inoooonoo— able to. but they're going to be thousands-people- able to. but they're going to be thousands people for goodness thousands of people for goodness knoo— thousands of people for goodness knoo nowpo— thousands of people for goodness knows, maybe millions who are going— knows, maybe millions who are going-oonooo- knows, maybe millions who are going serious trouble. going to be in serious trouble. t hey— going to be in serious trouble. inow-noi— going to be in serious trouble. inow-noi po— going to be in serious trouble. they-not be able- going to be in serious trouble. they not be able to afford they will not be able to afford it. they will not be able to afford ii. -nowo— they will not be able to afford in-nowolooi- it. they will have to cut owonwining— it. they will have to cut. everything _bone it. they will have to cut- everything_bone and everything else to the bone and oiiii—po— everything else to the bone and still—be able- everything else to the bone and still—be able to- everything else to the bone and still be able to cope still they won't be able to cope wiin— still they won't be able to cope with - repayments. - still they won't be able to cope with repayments. it is
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with these repayments. so it is unbelievable.— with these repayments. so it is unbelievable. and— with these repayments. so it is unbelievable. and i didn't use to unbelievable. and i didn't use io ioko— unbelievable. and i didn't use io ioko by— unbelievable. and i didn't use to take by this— unbelievable. and i didn't use to take by this line that he's ioo— to take by this line that he's ioo nion— to take by this line that he's ioo nion io— to take by this line that he's too rich to be— to take by this line that he's too rich to be prime minister, poi— too rich to be prime minister, poi nio— too rich to be prime minister, but his latest— too rich to be prime minister, but his latest comments do make me but his latest comments do make no nooiioo. — but his latest comments do make me realise. and— but his latest comments do make me realise. and of— but his latest comments do make me realise. and of course, don't iongoi— me realise. and of course, don't iongoi inop— me realise. and of course, don't forget that jeremy— me realise. and of course, don't forget that jeremy hunt is oinooi— forget that jeremy hunt is oinooi oo— forget that jeremy hunt is almost as rich— forget that jeremy hunt is almost as rich . i mean, nobody's almost as rich. i mean, nobody's ooioo— almost as rich. i mean, nobody's goiio oo— almost as rich. i mean, nobody's goiio oo nion— almost as rich. i mean, nobody's goiio oo nion oo— almost as rich. i mean, nobody's quite as rich as rishi. he's nionon— quite as rich as rishi. he's richer than— quite as rich as rishi. he's richer than the— quite as rich as rishi. he's richer than the queen. appareniiy— richer than the queen. apparently he richer than the queen.- apparently-he and his apparently him and he and his wiio— apparently him and he and his wno-noni— apparently him and he and his wiiolnoni io— apparently him and he and his wife.-hunt is also- wife. but hunt is also incredibly— wife. but hunt is also incredibly rich. they are two, i inink— incredibly rich. they are two, i inink ii— incredibly rich. they are two, i inink ii woo— incredibly rich. they are two, i think it was nadine dorries who oooonipoo— think it was nadine dorries who described boris— think it was nadine dorries who described boris and somebody oioo— described boris and somebody oioo oo— described boris and somebody oioo oo iwo— described boris and somebody else as two posh— described boris and somebody else as two posh boys out of iooon— else as two posh boys out of iooon wiin— else as two posh boys out of touch with reality. and i think the touch with reality. and i think no wow— touch with reality. and i think no wow no— touch with reality. and i think the way he has,— touch with reality. and i think the way he has, it's just the nooo— the way he has, it's just the mood — the way he has, it's just the mood music. i— the way he has, it's just the mood music. i mean, we all know no-o— mood music. i mean, we all know no-o nion— mood music. i mean, we all know he's rich, that's— mood music. i mean, we all know he's rich, that's fine— mood music. i mean, we all know he's rich, that's fine and it onooion-i— he's rich, that's fine and it shouldn't matter . but way he shouldn't matter. but the way he nonoioo— shouldn't matter. but the way he nonoioo ii— shouldn't matter. but the way he handles it and— shouldn't matter. but the way he handles it and i— shouldn't matter. but the way he handles it and i mean, me, handles it and i mean, to me, ino— handles it and i mean, to me, no ionw— handles it and i mean, to me, no ionw nonw— handles it and i mean, to me, no ionw ionw io— handles it and i mean, to me, the tory party is holed beneath the tory party is holed beneath the waterline— the tory party is holed beneath the waterline and— the tory party is holed beneath the waterline and they are now poiiing— the waterline and they are now poiiing ooi— the waterline and they are now bailing out with— the waterline and they are now bailing out with a— the waterline and they are now bailing out with a bit of a tea oinoinon— bailing out with a bit of a tea strainer. and— bailing out with a bit of a tea strainer. and it— bailing out with a bit of a tea strainer. and it is— bailing out with a bit of a tea strainer. and it is not going owow. — strainer. and it is not going owow. ano— strainer. and it is not going owow. kno inow— strainer. and it is not going away. and they running out away. and they are running out of away. and they are running out oi-koo— away. and they are running out oi-koo know,— away. and they are running out of-you know, there- away. and they are running out of you know, there is no of time. you know, there is no iino— of time. you know, there is no iino io— of time. you know, there is no iino io goi— of time. you know, there is no time to get things— of time. you know, there is no time to get things right. liz nooo— time to get things right. liz truss was right.— time to get things right. liz truss was right. go for growth . truss was right. go for growth. poi— truss was right. go for growth. poi kook— truss was right. go for growth. but look what— truss was right. go for growth. but look what happened to her. woon— but look what happened to her. woon ino— but look what happened to her. woon ino ionw— but look what happened to her. yeah the tory party are damaged goooo. — yeah the tory party are damaged goooo. _wo-no— yeah the tory party are damaged goods. _we're going- goods. i think we're going to see party in 12 to see maybe a new party in 12 to 18 months time. i i refuse to
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accept that his wealth has got anything to do with a connection to working man or to the normal working man or woman. wealthy. woman. he's incredibly wealthy. so johnson. boris so is boris johnson. boris johnson went to eton. he had all the in world. a the wealth in the world. he's a multi—millionaire. he's not as wealthy no, he's wealthy as rishi. no, no, he's noo.— wealthy as rishi. no, no, he's not. no. no, he's not. but he's never about never had to worry about a mortgage oh, we might mortgage payment. oh, we might have many children and have got so many children and wives and goodness ex wives. well okay. right. well, let well, okay. all right. well, let me me let just do an me let me let me just do an embarrassing u—turn and money. do do , do. this guy is do do, do. this guy is reversing. okay all right. i think that just because you're minted, i think you can still have a connection with normal people. you his people. well, you can, but his comments your nerve as if comments hold your nerve as if people could just like , okay, so people could just like, okay, so the mortgage rates have up, the mortgage rates have gone up, interest have gone up. interest rates have gone up. just just your just just hold your nerve. woon. woon. — just just hold your nerve. yeah. yeah. don't- just just hold your nerve. / yeah. don't have that. yeah. yeah. don't have that. no— yeah. yeah. don't have that. ii-olonooo— yeah. yeah. don't have that. it'slcrass thing— / yeah. don't have that. it's crass thing say. it's a crass thing to say. poi-i— it's a crass thing to say. poop-o— it's a crass thing to say. i don't-a-holiday. it's a crass thing to say. - don't-a-holiday. he's don't have a third holiday. he's he's he's the minister. he's he's the prime minister. he to better that. he needs to do better than that. ano— he needs to do better than that. kno oopooioiiw— he needs to do better than that. and especially-him - he needs to do better than that. and especially him being and especially with him being nion— and especially with him being non—oppoo- and especially with him being. rich,_optics turned rich, suddenly the optics turned to-and— rich, suddenly the optics turned ee-ene wee— rich, suddenly the optics turned to-and we're-well,- rich, suddenly the optics turned to and we're well, how to him and we're like, well, how eeew—people- could you say that? people use thee— could you say that? people use that his wealth. that against him. his wealth. yeah. and i've noticed this because— yeah. and i've noticed this because away— yeah. and i've noticed this because away from broadcasting,
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if—ewee- because away from broadcasting, if—ewee ofl if you're if you're not aware of m — if you're if you're not aware of m e— if you're if you're not aware of m e e— if you're if you're not aware of i'm a car dealer— if you're if you're not aware of i'm a car dealer and i've had the— i'm a car dealer and i've had eee-june— i'm a car dealer and i've had the-june ever- i'm a car dealer and i've had the _june ever and. i'm a car dealer and i've had the june ever and the the quietest june ever and the quietest.— the quietest june ever and the quietest. yeah,— the quietest june ever and the quietest. yeah, the quietest. mav— quietest. yeah, the quietest. mev eve— quietest. yeah, the quietest. may ever because quietest. yeah, the quietest.- may ever because _whenever may ever because people whenever there-e— may ever because people whenever flees-in— may ever because people whenever there's-in interest- there's a spike in interest reest— there's a spike in interest rates,-then- there's a spike in interest rates, then have to rates, people then have to think,— rates, people then have to thine—rm- rates, people then have to- .h..k,_|-m-go..g think, okay, well i'm not going to think, okay, well i'm not going eee-bev— think, okay, well i'm not going ee-buv thee— think, okay, well i'm not going to buy that convertible to go and buy that convertible spontaneously— to go and buy that convertible spontaneously we're spontaneously because we're having— spontaneously because we're having-wave.- spontaneously because we're having wave. that having a heat wave. that market-e— having a heat wave. that market's—i having a heat wave. that market's_. it having a heat wave. that- market's_. it really market's disappeared. it really hee- — market's disappeared. it really hee- se— market's disappeared. it really hee- se ire— market's disappeared. it really has. so it's essential purchases envy.— has. so it's essential purchases envy. ane— has. so it's essential purchases envy. and a— has. so it's essential purchases envy. and a eer— has. so it's essential purchases only. and a car isn't an essential— only. and a car isn't an essential purchase unless, of course, you're your motty venere— course, you're your motty venue ev— course, you're your motty failure or unless trying failure or unless you're trying to failure or unless you're trying eee—veere- failure or unless you're tryingi ee—veu-ve nee to get to london. you're not going to be hammered with ulez if you don't get it. well, but let's if you don't get it. well, but tees—whee- if you don't get it. well, but let's—what you. if you don't get it. well, but. let's—what you said, let's get back to what you said, though,— let's get back to what you said,. though—taming though, because you were talking above—me— though, because you were talking about—his wealth. about the fact that his wealth eeeen-e— about the fact that his wealth doesn't—carwl about the fact that his wealthi doesn't—carry on doesn't affect him. so carry on because— because you've not really confirmed. _ because you've not reallyi confirmed. _i'm because you've not really- confirmed. _i'm saying confirmed. well, all i'm saying is with you when is that i disagree with you when you say that his mega wealth means connect normal you say that his mega wealth mearand connect normal you say that his mega wealth mearand women,)nnect normal you say that his mega wealth mearand women, do ect normal you say that his mega wealth mearand women, do you normal you say that his mega wealth mearand women, do you thinknal men and women, do you think he's connecting by telling people to hold well, hold their nerve? no. well, i think-ereee- hold their nerve? no. well, i think-crass thing- hold their nerve? no. well, i think-crass thing to. think that's a crass thing to say,— think that's a crass thing to eevie-e— think that's a crass thing to eevie-e e— think that's a crass thing to say, it's a common thing for say, but it's a common thing for peepte— say, but it's a common thing for peepte ee— say, but it's a common thing for peepte ee eav— say, but it's a common thing for people to say lambast rishi people to say and lambast rishi sunak— sunak because he's so wealthy. eee—seve— sunak because he's so wealthy. but—savsldoesl but he does. he says he does these sort things the these sort of things all the time. it that he is. time. it seems that he is. eeeen-e— time. it seems that he is. doesn't-though- time. it seems that he is. doesn't-though . i time. it seems that he is.- doesn't-though . what what doesn't seem, though. what what else— doesn't seem, though. what what else is— doesn't seem, though. what what else is done? okay,— doesn't seem, though. what what else is done? okay,-go- else is done? okay, let's go veh— else is done? okay, let's go with we— else is done? okay, let's go with the fact— else is done? okay, let's go with the fact that- 3“ okay, let's go with the fact that he'd pretended — with the fact that he'd pretended that with the fact that he'd- pretended .that reasonably pretended that that reasonably priced— pretended that that reasonably tweet—we- pretended that that reasonablyi priced—his when pretended that that reasonably prclearly his when pretended that that reasonably prclearly wasn't. his when pretended that that reasonably
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prclearly wasn't. his vthe n it clearly wasn't. and then he ttew-t— it clearly wasn't. and then he went-wew— it clearly wasn't. and then he didn't-how to- it clearly wasn't. and then he didn't-how to .for. it clearly wasn't. and then he didn't how to for it didn't know how to pay for it because— didn't know how to pay for it because he'd— didn't know how to pay for it because he'd obviously never weee— because he'd obviously never used—before. l used a credit card before. wew-ve— used a credit card before. wew-ve-ee- used a credit card before. vow-ve-ee w- used a credit card before. i you've-do it-he you've got to do it well, he realised he to show realised that he needed to show off, to make it off, but he tried to make it look he something look like he was something that he's does have a he's not. so it does have a fact that— he's not. so it does have a fact wet-tw— he's not. so it does have a fact that-but-criticised. that yeah, but he's criticised for that yeah, but he's criticised fer-twe— that yeah, but he's criticised for-like £900- that yeah, but he's criticised for like £900 shoes. that yeah, but he's criticised- for-like £900 shoes. so for wearing like £900 shoes. so why— for wearing like £900 shoes. so why ts— for wearing like £900 shoes. so why is tes— for wearing like £900 shoes. so why is tee a— for wearing like £900 shoes. so why is he's a multi—millionaire? let the £900 shoes. it doesn't mean he can't look after mean that he can't look after the he went somewhere where people were really impoverished. listen the listen you've worked for the ewe.— listen you've worked for the eee—fev- listen you've worked for the eee—fer wee- listen you've worked for thei bbc—for the bbc. bbc. i've worked for the bbc. t-ve— bbc. i've worked for the bbc. ive-tt— bbc. i've worked for the bbc. t-ve-tt fev— bbc. i've worked for the bbc. i've-it for him. - bbc. i've worked for the bbc. i've it for him. when we go i've done it for him. when we go to—alwaysl to something, we were always tett,— to something, we were always tett-eewe- to something, we were always tett-eewe te- to something, we were always told,-going to an- to something, we were always told, going to an area told, if you're going to an area wet-e— told, if you're going to an area wet-e really— told, if you're going to an area that's really impoverished and eew-t— that's really impoverished and eeet-eeew— that's really impoverished and don't-gucci and- that's really impoverished and don't gucci and prada or don't go in gucci and prada or eeew— don't go in gucci and prada or show ett— don't go in gucci and prada or show off what— don't go in gucci and prada or show off what you— don't go in gucci and prada or show off what you have and be considerate.— show off what you have and be considerate-went- show off what you have and be considerate. went there in considerate. he went there in weee—knew- considerate. he went there in prada_know whati considerate. he went there in prada know what i prada shoes. you know what i e— prada shoes. you know what i ewe-ve— prada shoes. you know what i mean ? you're going to see people mean? you're going to see people in a working class area. it effecte— in a working class area. it effecte-. - in a working class area. it affects-. do- in a working class area. it affects-. do youl in a working class area. it- affects-. do you want him affects people. do you want him to go in a pair of clogs? no > he just needs to go in and just eenee— he just needs to go in and just realise where— he just needs to go in and just realise where he— he just needs to go in and just realise where he and realise where he is and he weeent— realise where he is and he weeent seem— realise where he is and he doesn't seem to. a" doesn't seem to. sorry. kristian niemietz. all right. no,- doesn't seem to. 3“ \v q3 all right. no, no. doesn't seem to. 3“ \ q3“ all right. no, no. two niemietz. all right. no, no. two tetwee— things. first of all, mrs. eete.— things. first of all, mrs.- eewe—sweet putin. sorry, mrs. mrs. sunak weeetew— putin. sorry, mrs. mrs. sunak freudian mrs.— putin. sorry, mrs. mrs. sunak freudian mrs. sunak when she was eeetne— freudian mrs. sunak when she was testing we— freudian mrs. sunak when she was hosting the street— freudian mrs. sunak when she was hosting the street party in downing— hosting the street party in downing street for the coronation, _ downing street for the coronation, she was wearing my mouse— coronation, she was wearing my mouse tw— coronation, she was wearing my mouse in mew— coronation, she was wearing my blouse in many sizes smaller,
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wwet— blouse in many sizes smaller, wwet wee— blouse in many sizes smaller, wwet e— blouse in many sizes smaller, which was a boden blouse . so which was a boden blouse. so wet-e,— which was a boden blouse. so wet-e, wet-e— which was a boden blouse. so that's, that's sort— which was a boden blouse. so that's, that's sort of street eee.— that's, that's sort of street eee. ew— that's, that's sort of street cred. but what— that's, that's sort of street cred. but what worries me far wew— cred. but what worries me far more than whether he wears these weee— more than whether he wears these weee eneee— more than whether he wears these prada slides and— more than whether he wears these prada slides and goodness knows what— prada slides and goodness knows whet-eave— prada slides and goodness knows whet-eewe ,— prada slides and goodness knows what says , basically he's what is, he says, basically he's saving,— what is, he says, basically he's swine-werew— what is, he says, basically he's sayingv-worwv rm- what is, he says, basically he's saying, worry, i'm going saying, don't worry, i'm going to saying, don't worry, i'm going tee-tt— saying, don't worry, i'm going te-tt eew— saying, don't worry, i'm going to-it out, but— saying, don't worry, i'm going to-it out, but i'm- saying, don't worry, i'm going to it out, but i'm sorry. i to sort it out, but i'm sorry. i have— to sort it out, but i'm sorry. i have we— to sort it out, but i'm sorry. i have no confidence that he knows wew— have no confidence that he knows wew-eewe— have no confidence that he knows wew-eeweleee— have no confidence that he knows how-goinglsort tt- have no confidence that he knows how going sort it out. how he's going to sort it out. twat-s— how he's going to sort it out. that's-nothing— how he's going to sort it out. that's-nothing to- how he's going to sort it out. that's-nothing to do- how he's going to sort it out. that's-nothing to do with. that's got nothing to do with his wealth. that's point. his wealth. that's my point. that's saying. more that's what i'm saying. more important than that's what i'm saying. more important-than his- that's what i'm saying. more important-than his his| important to me than his his weent— important to me than his his wealth—ability. wealth and his his ability to eeet— wealth and his his ability to eeet-teee- wealth and his his ability to sort-does not- wealth and his his ability to. sort-does not inspire sort it out. he does not inspire confidence— sort it out. he does not inspire confidence that— sort it out. he does not inspire confidence that he— sort it out. he does not inspire confidence that he that he is getting—holding. confidence that he that he is getting holding his getting a grip and holding his newe— getting a grip and holding his wewelt— getting a grip and holding his wewelt-we— getting a grip and holding hisj nerveii-no-that getting a grip and holding his. nerveii-no-that he nerve. i see no evidence that he ewe— nerve. i see no evidence that he and whet-e— nerve. i see no evidence that he and whats we— nerve. i see no evidence that he and what's his name, hunt, know what— and what's his name, hunt, know what te— and what's his name, hunt, know what to te— and what's his name, hunt, know what to to te— and what's his name, hunt, know what to do to get— and what's his name, hunt, know what to do to get us— and what's his name, hunt, know what to do to get us out. “sz what to do to get us out. they den-t— what to do to get us out. they went knew— what to do to get us out. they don't know what— what to do to get us out. they don't know what to do. his surname, right? well of course. yes. listen, this has yes. well, listen, this has nothing your nothing without you and your views. let's welcome of views. let's welcome some of our eeet— views. let's welcome some of our greet-voices— views. let's welcome some of our great-voices.their- great british voices on their opportunity— great british voices on their opportunity-be- great british voices on their opportunity be the show opportunity to be on the show ene— opportunity to be on the show ene-whet— opportunity to be on the show and _what they- opportunity to be on the show and what they really and tell us what they really wink— and tell us what they really think about— and tell us what they really think about the _ and tell us what they really think about the topics we're eteeweewe. — think about the topics we're discussing. _four- discussing. i've got four of them. — discussing. i've got four of them. _to- discussing. i've got four of. them. _to-with them. i'm going to start with dr. them. i'm going to start with dr--muglia-- them. i'm going to start with. dr.-muglia.-session dr. cecilie muglia. our session . wave— dr. cecilie muglia. our session . weve weev— dr. cecilie muglia. our session . have they lost— dr. cecilie muglia. our session . have they lost touch? hold wew— . have they lost touch? hold wew nerve.— . have they lost touch? hold your nerve. we're— . have they lost touch? hold your nerve. we're going to increase interest rates. don't worry— increase interest rates. don't worry eeew— increase interest rates. don't worry about t— increase interest rates. don't worry about it. _ increase interest rates. don't worry about it . c: “ worry about it. good afternoon, nana. yes i agree with you with danny and with christine. they
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are out of touch with 33“y they are out of touch with reality ewe— are out of touch with reality and t— are out of touch with reality and it te— are out of touch with reality and it is affecting the majority of peepte— and it is affecting the majority of peepte .— and it is affecting the majority of peepte . wee— and it is affecting the majority of people . the interest rates of people. the interest rates going— of people. the interest rates going up— of people. the interest rates going up ,— of people. the interest rates going up , ee— of people. the interest rates going up, as you said, nana. we— going up, as you said, nana. we going— going up, as you said, nana. we going te— going up, as you said, nana. it's going to affect people. the meteww— it's going to affect people. the meteww et— it's going to affect people. the majority of people. and how are weev— majority of people. and how are they tetwe— majority of people. and how are they going te— majority of people. and how are they going to te— majority of people. and how are they going to be able to pay wei— they going to be able to pay their mortgages— they going to be able to pay their mortgages ? you know, so their mortgages? you know, so something— their mortgages? you know, so something will— their mortgages? you know, so something will have to give . something will have to give. t hey— something will have to give. new wit— something will have to give. new wit-te— something will have to give. they will to make cuts in they will have to make cuts in etter— they will have to make cuts in other eewe— they will have to make cuts in other areas of— they will have to make cuts in other areas of their finances . other areas of their finances. so definitely— other areas of their finances. so definitely they're out of teeet— so definitely they're out of teeet witt— so definitely they're out of touch with reality . vivi“ touch with reality. well, he saw— touch with reality. well, he saw its— touch with reality. well, he said it's going to be tough , but said it's going to be tough, but i might have to make some difficult decisions. we'll make a different one. mike donovan he's there oxfordshire. hello he's there in oxfordshire. hello mike. do you think? hi, mike. what do you think? hi, good afternoon . let's talk about good afternoon. let's talk about principles, not personality . principles, not personality. liz. the reality is , is that we liz. the reality is, is that we need banking reform if we really want to kick start this economy . there is empirical evidence to suggest that interest rates are positively correlated with growth, not the other way round . and the reality is that we've
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. banking is essential tool for putting money. the quantitative easing most of that money went into financial asset creation or consumer consumption that will put pressure on inflation. it didn't go into nominal gdp transaction , which is the small transaction, which is the small medium enterprises that produce the goods in this country. and i'm sorry, it's one of my real hobby horses . you can't have hobby horses. you can't have a country that's wealthy, that's not producing goods . you know, not producing goods. you know, the reality is and there is a professor, john werner, who's been speaking about he invented the word quantitative easing, wrote the books princes of yet. and he's been speaking about this now for a considerable amount of time . if you don't amount of time. if you don't have credit creation through local banking, china made a decision in the 80s to follow the german model, which is cooperative . so they have 4000 cooperative. so they have 4000 banks. we have very few left in
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this country . america has 5000. this country. america has 5000. germany has, i think probably the biggest in europe. ecb is cut down most of all the banks and in the uk, what banks do we have left? nothing. we have nothing banks. we have high street banks. i've got to move on. i've got to get the others in on. i've got to get the others we were. — on. i've got to get the others we were. ew— on. i've got to get the others in there. but we— 3“ i've got to get the others in there. but we need to give a separate— in there. but we need to give a separate wt— in there. but we need to give a separate bit for— in there. but we need to give a separate bit for you because you knew,— separate bit for you because you knew, eu— separate bit for you because you know, all about— separate bit for you because you know, all about it— separate bit for you because you know, all about it and we need wew.— know, all about it and we need wew-oweeew— know, all about it and we needi you.-duggan,-there. you. brian duggan, you're there. seem— you. brian duggan, you're there. sewv eeegte. — you. brian duggan, you're there. sorry google. let— you. brian duggan, you're there. sorry google. q3 you. brian duggan, you're there. sorry google. 33 sorry google. let me get brian duggan. i've got to get sorry google. 33 tgg i've got to get brian duggan. i've got to get brian duggan— duggan. i've got to get brian nugget ew— duggan. i've got to get brian duggan on. brian. - tgg i've got to get brian duggan on. brian. \v3“3 3333 duggan on. brian. hi, nana well, nobody, nobody is saying that the banks are necessarily in touch with the common people either , but the government either, but the government certainly isn't . and what the certainly isn't. and what the prime minister came out with today is a manifestation of that. and hold your nerve. it's patronising. it fails to address really what the issues are. but it is indicative of where this tory government has been for
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some time, full of their own vanities is they're absolutely mired in their own party politics. knitting. doris is more concerned with finding out, getting to the bottom of why she hasn't been made a dame than she is with addressing problems is with addressing the problems , the real problems, food, energy , inflation, services , energy, inflation, services, living concerns that occupy everyone else's minds. danny's right. we're getting to the end of this government. what we need is a bonfire of the vanities and ihopeifs is a bonfire of the vanities and i hope it's sooner rather than later. all i hope it's sooner rather than later . all right. let's go to later. all right. let's go to amende— later. all right. let's go to amanda hindley- all right. let's go to amanda hindley in kent. later. all right. let's go to- amanda hindley in kent. hi, nana . i amanda hindley in kent. hi, nana . . eew-t— amanda hindley in kent. hi, nana . . eee-t ttew— amanda hindley in kent. hi, nana . i don't think the— amanda hindley in kent. \3“3 i don't think the government . i don't think the government eewe— . i don't think the government eewe te— . i don't think the government eewe be env— i don't think the government could be any further removed trem— could be any further removed from we— could be any further removed from the people— could be any further removed from the people ,— could be any further removed from the people , to be honest. from the people, to be honest. ttew.— from the people, to be honest. ttew. wew— from the people, to be honest. firstly, how patronise- from the people, to be honest. firstly, how patronise ing- firstly, how patronise ing because they hold your nerve . because they hold your nerve. it's easy to say hold your nerve if you've got £530 million in the bank and also, how are we going to tighten our belts anymore? we don't have butlers to get rid of or third holidays to get rid of or third holidays to lose . and he's not focusing to lose. and he's not focusing on the actual real people of britain. he's just focusing on the few. again and it's always
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the few. again and it's always the same , always the same . hold the same, always the same. hold your nerve, people. don't worry . tte— your nerve, people. don't worry , it's going to cost you more. we'll get through this. no, he'll through it. listen he'll get through it. listen thank you, stephanie. good to talk in talk to you. mike in oxfordshire, kent oxfordshire, amanda in kent and bnan oxfordshire, amanda in kent and brian solihull, thank you so brian in solihull, thank you so much for your thoughts. those are voices. are my great british voices. let's to this story that let's move on to this story that caught my eye taxpayers caught my eye today. taxpayers faced green levy on faced £170 a year, green levy on top of their energy bills within a the government a few days, the government are going suddenly cut off its going to suddenly cut off its subsidy the net zero. the subsidy for the net zero. the two year suspension of green levies, which came into place just six months ago, will be reportedly end the of reportedly end at the start of july . that's according to the july. that's according to the telegraph. the government is placing back on placing the cost back on households as energy bills are set to fall by an average of almost £500 next so what almost £500 next month. so what do think about green do you think about these green levies? think if there's a levies? i think if there's a mandate that you must pay 170 nick gibb for a net zero aspiration, i think you should go to the public and ask the pubuc go to the public and ask the public whether in the form of a referendum, we're after referendum, listen, we're after net zero. do you want to come along— net zero. do you want to come wene—we- net zero. do you want to come wene—wee wew- net zero. do you want to come along—the way, it'sj along with us? by the way, it's going— along with us? by the way, it's eewe-eeet— along with us? by the way, it's eewe-eeet wew— along with us? by the way, it's
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going-cost you 170- along with us? by the way, it's going cost you 170 gibb going to cost you 170 nick gibb evew— going to cost you 170 nick gibb every—eenew- every year. there are certain tetwee— every year. there are certaini things—thinking things now that i'm thinking twe,— like, for example, the licence fee:— like, for example, the licence fee-eeew— like, for example, the licence fee, - nearly 170 - like, for example, the licence fee, nearly 170 nick gibb fee, that's nearly 170 nick gibb twat-e— fee, that's nearly 170 nick gibb teete-weete.— fee, that's nearly 170 nick gibb that's-yeah. the- fee, that's nearly 170 nick gibb that's yeah. the bbc, that's 300, yeah. the bbc, wet-e— that's 300, yeah. the bbc, that's three— that's 300, yeah. the bbc, that's three and- that's 300, yeah. the bbc, that's three and a half hundred teenee— that's three and a half hundred pounds household. pounds for every household. and you pounds for every household. and we eew-t— pounds for every household. and you eee-t tave— pounds for every household. and you don't have a— pounds for every household. and you don't have a choice . you don't have a choice. to me, its— you don't have a choice. to me, we comptetew— you don't have a choice. to me, it's completely extraordinary that, first of all, they're reneging on their pledge that it was going to be for two years and after months, they're and after six months, they're going stop it. this whole net going to stop it. this whole net zero business is this manic pursuit of net zero. i mean, the government is going to pursue hydrogen is apparently the great fuel of the future. well, if it is, let the private sector do it. don't put our money into it. why? i it. don't put our money into it. why? i mean , why aren't we? why? i mean, why aren't we? fracking fairly basic fracking is a fairly basic thing. why aren't we using the fuels even the fuels that we've got or even the coal even exactly coal coal or even exactly the coal instead of which they're just i have to say, some of this i think, is a legacy from boris, and i blame mrs. boris because she was so woke. she was off . she was so woke. she was off. no, but. but if you think- no, but. but if you think no , no, but. but if you think no, but— no, but. but if you think no, but eete— no, but. but if you think no, but were te— no, but. but if you think no, but boris is dad— no, but. but if you think no, but boris is dad is an environmentalist . yes. boris is environmentalist. yes. boris is tnte— environmentalist. yes. boris is we we— environmentalist. yes. boris is into the environment as well . into the environment as well. hee— into the environment as well. we met— into the environment as well. he's met somebody. david cameron
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has he's met somebody. david cameron tee a— he's met somebody. david cameron tee a sinner— he's met somebody. david cameron has a similar viewpoint to him. dewe— has a similar viewpoint to him. david cameron— has a similar viewpoint to him. david cameron started- has a similar viewpoint to him. david cameron started _wej david cameron started it all. we can't afford this. i mean, china is spewing out coal fired stations, building them at, you know, six to the dozen. and yet we think with our tiny little percentage coal fired power percentage of coal fired power stations that we're destroying the planet. well, you know, wew-ve— the planet. well, you know, ttev-ve doing— the planet. well, you know, they're doing it— the planet. well, you know, they're doing it for- well, you know, they're doing it for us, though. thev're— they're doing it for us, though. they're doing— they're doing it for us, though. they're doing it— they're doing it for us, though. they're doing it for us because we're—from them.| we're buying stuff from them. and— we're buying stuff from them. awe—offset. - we're buying stuff from them. and—offset. we. we're buying stuff from them.- and_offset. we say, and then we can offset. we say, no, we're not making it because the no, we're not making it because tte—wet— no, we're not making it becausei tte—net-tvem the carbons are not coming from _teet— the carbons are not coming from _feet geod— the carbons are not coming from us. _feel good about- the carbons are not coming from us. _feel good about it. | the carbons are not coming fromi us. _feel good about it. i us. so we feel good about it. i went it makes no went to llandudno. it makes no difference. — difference. three weeks ago, beewttw— difference. three weeks ago,. beautiful_ north beautiful seaside resort, north wetee— beautiful seaside resort, north. wales—liverpool beautiful seaside resort, north. walesisee_liverpool beautiful seaside resort, north wales see in liverpool beautiful seaside resort, north wales see in the liverpool beautiful seaside resort, north wales see in the port liverpool beautiful seaside resort, north wales see in the port they'veil you can see in the port they've got,— you can see in the port they've got-got— you can see in the port they've eew-eet eeew- you can see in the port they've got,-got about 50- got, they've got about 50 windmills,— got, they've got about 50 windmills, not- got, they've got about 50 windmills, not one them was windmills, not one of them was turning. — windmills, not one of them was turning. .course_ windmills, not one of them was turning. course wasn't. turning. of course it wasn't. what— turning. of course it wasn't. whet-tte- turning. of course it wasn't. what-the point- turning. of course it wasn't. i what-the point-it? what the hell's the point of it? there's if gets there's no wind if it gets really hot. solar panels don't wew. — really hot. solar panels don't wew. _t— really hot. solar panels don't wew. _it eete- really hot. solar panels don't work. _it gets melt. really hot. solar panels don'tj work. _it gets melt . work. if it gets it gets melt. i work. if it gets it gets melt. . ween— work. if it gets it gets melt. . wew-twe— work. if it gets it gets melt. i mean,-this is- work. if it gets it gets melt. i mean,-this is not- work. if it gets it gets melt. i i mean,-this is not quite. i mean, yeah, this is not quite. it's a real kick in the teeth, ten-t— it's a real kick in the teeth, ten-t tw— it's a real kick in the teeth, ten-t i, at— it's a real kick in the teeth, isn't it, at this— it's a real kick in the teeth, isn't it, at this moment when evewteev-e— isn't it, at this moment when everybody's struggling with wet— everybody's struggling with weete—ewe- everybody's struggling with- their_and struggling their mortgages and struggling to their mortgages and struggling te-e— their mortgages and struggling tene-weev— their mortgages and struggling tene-ttew wew- their mortgages and struggling to a they then whack to get a grip, they then whack twe.— to get a grip, they then whack wie- hete— to get a grip, they then whack this. hold your— to get a grip, they then whack this. hold your nerve, hold your new..— this. hold your nerve, hold your wevve, tete— this. hold your nerve, hold your nerve, hold your— this. hold your nerve, hold your nerve, hold your nerve, hold wew— nerve, hold your nerve, hold wew eewe. — nerve, hold your nerve, hold your nerve. hey,- nerve, hold your nerve, hold your nerve. 3yv your nerve. hey, people, hold your nerve. hey, people, hold your nerve. hey, people, hold your nerve . right. well, listen, your nerve. right. well, listen, i've some supplements for
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of reasons. some of them feel sidelined work, which drains sidelined at work, which drains wei— sidelined at work, which drains their confidence— sidelined at work, which drains their confidence .— sidelined at work, which drains their confidence . declining their confidence. declining eeew— their confidence. declining eeew-t- their confidence. declining social-i don't. social life. well, i don't remember— social life. well, i don't remember mine declining in my 50s remember mine declining in my see adorning— remember mine declining in my 50s adorning that— remember mine declining in my 50s adorning that your dreams mav— 50s adorning that your dreams may te— 50s adorning that your dreams may never be fulfilled. that's what— may never be fulfilled. that's what peepte— may never be fulfilled. that's what peepte tw— may never be fulfilled. that's what people in the 50s are going through. — what people in the 50s are going through. _weepte- what people in the 50s are going through. people pass through. but as people pass retirement— through. but as people pass retirement age— through. but as people pass retirement age ,— through. but as people pass retirement age , they their retirement age, they their eew—weete — retirement age, they their self—worth that begins to eeetne.— self—worth that begins to decline. apparently in your 30s, eee— decline. apparently in your 30s, we end— decline. apparently in your 30s, we and see. — decline. apparently in your 30s, 40s and 50s. suddenly you forget all 40s and 50s. suddenly you forget eu weet— 40s and 50s. suddenly you forget an that end— 40s and 50s. suddenly you forget all that and you— 40s and 50s. suddenly you forget all that and you have an eteetwte— all that and you have an absolute bakhmut upsurge as peepte— absolute bakhmut upsurge as peepte teee— absolute bakhmut upsurge as peepte teee ewe— absolute bakhmut upsurge as people pass and approach and teee— people pass and approach and pass retirement— people pass and approach and pass retirement and they're happier— pass retirement and they're pepprer erre— pass retirement and they're happier and they're more cemented,— happier and they're more contented, etcetera . and i can contented, etcetera. and i can vouch— contented, etcetera. and i can vouch rer— contented, etcetera. and i can vouch for that. _ contented, etcetera. and i can vouch for that. well i can't vewet— vouch for that. well i can't vewerr rer— vouch for that. well i can't vouch for the— vouch for that. well i can't vouch for the 50s saying i'm not in vouch for the 50s saying i'm not p. we— vouch for the 50s saying i'm not p. rte-see,— vouch for the 50s saying i'm not in the .50s, - i'm - vouch for the 50s saying i'm not in the 50s, i'm loving in the late 50s, but i'm loving tr. — in the late 50s, but i'm loving tr. igor— in the late 50s, but i'm loving tr. igot teeter— in the late 50s, but i'm loving it. .got better and- in the late 50s, but i'm loving it. it's got better and better. you're 30s. i'm not. you're in the 30s. no, i'm not. christine is what i wish you're in the 305. no, i'm not. christine is what i wish the- christine is what i wish the peepte— christine is what i wish the peepte wr— christine is what i wish the people in their— christine is what i wish the people in their 20s are found to be we— people in their 20s are found to be we meet— people in their 20s are found to be the most confident of their vewre — be the most confident of their vewre r— be the most confident of their value. i don't— be the most confident of their value. i don't know- be the most confident of their value. 33“ c value. i don't know about that. well, it's funny. to— value. i don't know about that. well, it's funny. to my- well, it's funny. to my supplement,- well, it's funny. to my supplement, it's been revealed that— supplement, it's been revealed that unfortunately named that rather unfortunately named was— that rather unfortunately named was healthy— that rather unfortunately named nhs healthy weight calculator has-incorrectly- nhs healthy weight calculator has incorrectly advising has been incorrectly advising overweight— has been incorrectly advising overweight people to eat hundreds— overweight people to eat hundreds of— overweight people to eat hundreds of excess calories per day— hundreds of excess calories per day . — hundreds of excess calories per day . wen— hundreds of excess calories per day . weu .— hundreds of excess calories per day. weu . if— hundreds of excess calories per day . well, if you've- hundreds of excess calories per day. �*" " 33 3
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day. well, if you've been going on that, i've never had an underestimation when it came to a reading of bmi . well, listen, a reading of bmi. well, listen, basically— a reading of bmi. well, listen, basically the— a reading of bmi. well, listen, basically the errors— 3 3 well, listen, basically the errors meant that an overweight— basically the errors meant that an overweight man trying to lose weight— an overweight man trying to lose weight could— an overweight man trying to lose weight could be— an overweight man trying to lose weight could be advised to eat almost— weight could be advised to eat almost soo— weight could be advised to eat almost 300 excess calories per day— almost 300 excess calories per day all— almost 300 excess calories per day with around _ almost 300 excess calories per day with around about 240 extra aalaales— day with around about 240 extra calories allocated _ day with around about 240 extra calories allocated to women in the amt— calories allocated to women in the same category— calories allocated to women in the same category and those tallawtag— the same category and those following the _ the same category and those following the advice would would have — following the advice would would have consumed— following the advice would would have consumed basically just 20%— have consumed basically just 2086 calories— have consumed basically just 2086 calories extra per week, aaatvaleat— 2086 calories extra per week, aaatvalaat ta— 2086 calories extra per week, equivalent to more than four big mac— equivalent to more than four big mac targets— equivalent to more than four big mac targets . — equivalent to more than four big mac burgers . you— equivalent to more than four big mac burgers . /3 33;3 equivalent to more than four big mac burgers . 3 33 3 mac burgers. you noticed i'd lost a couple of pounds. i've hit the gym. i've got my first spin class on wednesday, which is it's a spin class. it's on exercise bikes . is it's a spin class. it's on exercise bikes. i think i'm going to be the only bloke there at and my weight loss will continue. good for you, danny. well— continue. good for you, danny. well tone.— continue. good for you, danny. well done. well— 3.3“. good for you, danny. well done. well done. 33“. good for you, danny. well done. well done. .3 well done. well done. good for you.— well done. well done. good for you. lt— well done. well done. good for you. lt you-va— well done. well done. good for you. if you've lost— well done. well done. good for you. if you've lost any- well done. well done. .3 if you've lost any more or you. if you've lost any more or is you. if you've lost any more or ts tt— you. if you've lost any more or ts tt stays— you. if you've lost any more or ts tt stays tte— you. if you've lost any more or is it stays the same?- if you've lost any more or is it stays the same.7 well it's tatt— is it stays the same.7 well it's salt at— is it stays the same.7 well it's sort of plateaued,_ is it stays the same.7 well it's sort of plateaued, but that's because— sort of plateaued, but that's because llandudno. because i went to llandudno. that-s— because i went to llandudno. teats-ea— because i went to llandudno. ttat-s-ea-l- because i went to llandudno.| that's-on-i knew that's what on holiday i knew that— that's what on holiday i knew ttatltaew— that's what on holiday i knew thatiknew that. _ that's what on holiday i knew thatiknew that. i— that's what on holiday i knew that knew that. i knew that. that i knew that. i knew that. ttttet— that i knew that. i knew that. ttttet way.— that i knew that. i knew that. either way, christine. - that i knew that. i knew that. either way, christine. well, you're weight. you you're a healthy weight. you don't a beautiful you're a healthy weight. you. don't-a beautiful figure. don't need a beautiful figure. well— don't need a beautiful figure. well tt— don't need a beautiful figure. well tt lees— don't need a beautiful figure. well, it does get— don't need a beautiful figure. well, it does get it— don't need a beautiful figure. well, it does get it gets- don't need a beautiful figure. well, it does get it gets a hell of more difficult as you of a lot more difficult as you get older. i can tell you it
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gets—lt-sl gets more difficult. it's true for gets more difficult. it's true tet—yea- gets more difficult. it's true tet—yea passl gets more difficult. it's true. for—you pass the for women when you pass the menopause-all- for women when you pass the menopause all but menopause and all that. but then.— menopause and all that. but tttete-tattl— menopause and all that. but then,-know, the- menopause and all that. but then, know, the 60s even then, you know, the 60s is even mete—tos- then, you know, the 60s is even mete—70s tsl more difficult. and the 70s is new— great.- more difficult. and the 70s is. now_, great, well, more difficult. and the 70s is. no'now-, great, well, more difficult. and the 70s is no'now you're , great, well, more difficult. and the 70s is no'now you're now great, well, more difficult. and the 70s is no'now you're now you're well, so now you're now you're wttaaetaa— so now you're now you're wttaaetaa-e - so now you're now you're whingeing, .7 33334. so now you're now you're- whingeing,-.7 well, i'm just whingeing, right.7 well, i'm just saying hard saying it it's hard. it's hard to keep your self like figure. well, this is on today's show. you look fabulous, christine, on tetay-s— you look fabulous, christine, on tatay-s stew.— you look fabulous, christine, on today's show, we've asking today's show, we've been asking , it today's show, we've been asking lit-to— today's show, we've been asking lit-to tests— today's show, we've been asking ,lit-to focus on- today's show, we've been asking ,lit-to focus on our- today's show, we've been asking , it to focus on our own , is it time to focus on our own military?— , is it time to focus on our own military?_our| military? and according to our twtttet— military.7 and according to our tamer-este— military.7 and according to our twitter-95% of- military.7 and according to our twitter 95% of you military? and according to our twitter 95% of you say yes twitter poll, 95% of you say yes . et— twitter poll, 95% of you say yes . at tt— twitter poll, 95% of you say yes , of course it is.— twitter poll, 95% of you say yes , of course it is. of— twitter poll, 95% of you say yes , of course it is. of course it ts.— , of course it is. of course it ts. only— , of course it is. of course it ts. only ste— , of course it is. of course it la only ate at— , of course it is. of course it is. only 5% of you- , of course it is. of course it is. only 5% of you say no . thank is. only 5% of you say no. thank you— is. only 5% of you say no. thank yea so— is. only 5% of you say no. thank yea so must— is. only 5% of you say no. thank yea so must to— is. only 5% of you say no. thank you so much to my— is. only 5% of you say no. thank you so much to my panel, author ant— you so much to my panel, author and broadcaster— you so much to my panel, author and broadcaster christine tamtltea— and broadcaster christine hamilton. christine, thank you very— hamilton. christine, thank you very-pleasure. - hamilton. christine, thank you. very-pleasure. .also very much. pleasure. and also broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny , as kelly. thank you, danny, as even kelly. thank you, danny, as ever, thank you to you at ever, a huge thank you to you at home for your company. i look forward seeing home for your company. i looki forward-seeing-week forward to seeing you next week at—as— forward to seeing you next week at—as tttee. - forward to seeing you next weeki at_as three. enjoy at the same time as three. enjoy the weather—
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is the only woman directly is the only woman directly elected mayor. it's tracy brabin elected mayor. it's tracy brabin . and you just knew this was . and you just knew this was and you just knew this was the and you just knew this was the . and you just knew this was the mment — . and you just knew this was the mment tnts— . and you just knew this was the moment. this was— and you just knew this was the . and you just knew this was the mment — . and you just knew this was the mment tnts— . and you just knew this was the moment. this was— and you just knew this was the moment. this was the moment that moment. this was the moment that evemtety-s— moment. this was the moment that everybody's talked— moment. this was the moment that everybody's talked about. you men.— everybody's talked about. you eyenytety-s— moment. this was the moment that everybody's talked— moment. this was the moment that everybody's talked about. you tnew— everybody's talked about. you men. tnts— everybody's talked about. you men. tnts yea— everybody's talked about. you know, this you should just need knew. tnts— everybody's talked about. you knew. we yew— everybody's talked about. you know, this you should just need tnem — know, this you should just need tnem tn— know, this you should just need tnem tn tne— know, this you should just need them in the balls— know, this you should just need them in the balls and run away tnem — know, this you should just need tnem tn— know, this you should just need tnem tn tne— know, this you should just need them in the balls— know, this you should just need them in the balls and run away or them in the balls and run away an nnateven— them in the balls and run away or whatever. and— or them in the balls and run away an wnateven— them in the balls and run away or whatever. and— them in the balls and run away or whatever. and that freeze was them in the balls and run away or whatever. and that really— or whatever. and that freeze was neatly tatte— or whatever. and that freeze was really quite frightening. that i want— really quite frightening. that i want neatly— really quite frightening. that i wasn't really capable of then newne— wasn't really capable of then moving because— wasn't really capable of then moving because i just knew that
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