different from the usual the any different from the usual the red square is still closed, but other than that, everything seems fine . a 15 year old girl seems fine. a 15 year old girl has died after being pulled from the sea at cleethorpes beach in lincolnshire. a 15 year old boy who— lincolnshire. a 15 year old boy who was— lincolnshire. a 15 year old boy was aasa — lincolnshire. a 15 year old boy who was also airlifted- f ”c; a 15 year old boy who was also airlifted to hospita— who was also airlifted to hospital has— who was also airlifted to hospital has since been discharged— hospital has since been discharged ._ hospital has since been discharged . and separately, discharged. and separately, a five— discharged. and separately, a five year— discharged. and separately, a five year aa— discharged. and separately, a five year old boy— discharged. and separately, a five year old boy has died after falling— five year old boy has died after falling from — five year old boy has died after falling from a— five year old boy has died after falling from a harbour wall in the camsh— falling from a harbour wall in the cornish town— falling from a harbour wall in the cornish town of padstow. pause— the cornish town of padstow. police -treating - the cornish town of padstow. police treating both police are treating both incidents— police are treating both incidents as— police are treating both incidents as accidental . now the incidents as accidental. now the duchess— incidents as accidental. now the duchess of— incidents as accidental. now the duchess of york— incidents as accidental. now the duchess of york is— incidents as accidental. now the duchess of york is recovering following— duchess of york is recovering following a— duchess of york is recovering following a successful operation to following a successful operation as areas— following a successful operation to treat breast— following a successful operation to treat breast cancer. sarah ferguson— to treat breast cancer. sarah ferguson was— to treat breast cancer. sarah ferguson was recently diagnosed with— ferguson was recently diagnosed with an— ferguson was recently diagnosed wtth ah saw— ferguson was recently diagnosed with an early form _ ferguson was recently diagnosed with an early form of cancer atta— with an early form of cancer attst a— with an early form of cancer after a routine— with an early form of cancer after a routine mammogram having hash— after a routine mammogram having been symptom— after a routine mammogram having been symptom free. _ after a routine mammogram having been symptom free. she was tstsasst— been symptom free. she was released from _ been symptom free. she was released from hospital earlier aha— released from hospital earlier and ts— released from hospital earlier and ts hw— released from hospital earlier and is now recovering with her tahtw— and is now recovering with her tahtw h— and is now recovering with her family in windsor. doctors say her ataghasts— family in windsor. doctors say her prognosis is— family in windsor. doctors say her prognosis is good and in a taw— her prognosis is good and in a tsw hows— her prognosis is good and in a few hours time— her prognosis is good and in a few hours time it— her prognosis is good and in a few hours time it will be goodbye— few hours time it will be goodbye yellow brick road for that. — goodbye yellow brick road for that. h— goodbye yellow brick road for goat. h thts— goodbye yellow brick road for good. in this country, at least . sh— good. in this country, at least . sh tttah— good. in this country, at least . sir elton john— good. in this country, at least . sir elton john will close the stastahhaw— . sir elton john will close the glastonbury festival by headlining— glastonbury festival by headlining the pyramid stage. it

will headlining the pyramid stage. it wttt he— headlining the pyramid stage. it wttt he hts— headlining the pyramid stage. it will be his final— headlining the pyramid stage. it will be his final uk gig. 53 years— will be his final uk gig. 53 years atta— will be his final uk gig. 53 years after his— will be his final uk gig. 53 years after his first. now, sir, than-s— years after his first. now, sir, elton's promised— years after his first. now, sir, elton's promised a number of spectat— elton's promised a number of sasstat guests— elton's promised a number of special guests and also to open wtth— special guests and also to open wtth a— special guests and also to open wtth a stag— special guests and also to open wtth a song he— special guests and also to open with a song he hasn't played in the tast— with a song he hasn't played in the tast teh— with a song he hasn't played in the last ten years— with a song he hasn't played in the last ten years that gets waterway— the last ten years that gets underway at— the last ten years that gets underway at 9— the last ten years that gets underway at 9 pm. and this is gb underway at 9 pm. and this is he news— underway at 9 pm. and this is he hews haw— underway at 9 pm. and this is gb news now. time for free speech— gb news now. time for free speech nation— gb news now. time for free speech nation ._ gb news now. time for free speech nation . well speech nation. well. vladimir hath— speech nation. well. vladimir hath ts— speech nation. well. vladimir putin is having— speech nation. well. vladimir putin is having a— speech nation. well. vladimir putin is having a bad week. scheat— putin is having a bad week. school children— putin is having a bad week. school children are- putin is having a bad week. school children are identifying as cats and the boss of bud light wins marketer of the year. this is free speech nation . on this is free speech nation. on you . welcome to free speech you. welcome to free speech nation. with me andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and politics. and of course, we'll have the latest from those lovable and lovable culture warriors and their suck their tireless quest to suck

every ounce of joy from human experience . coming up on the experience. coming up on the show tonight, stella o'malley and joseph burgo from gen spect will be here to tell me about a new think tank launched to new think tank being launched to help gender related help with gender related distress . we're going to hear distress. we're going to hear about nasty melee week about a nasty melee this week at speaker's which is speaker's corner, which is supposed be a bastion of supposed to be a bastion of uninhibited free speech. we'll ask what the ramifications could be for freedom of expression in ireland as a bill on new hate crime is about to make it into law, and it's pretty disastrous . and of course, myself and my fantastic panel will be answering questions from our lovely audience. lovely studio audience. i'm going introduce right going to introduce them right now i've diane spencer and now. i've got diane spencer and leo , who . so how's it leo kearse, who. so how's it going .7 good week. leo yeah, it's going? good week. leo yeah, it's aest— going? good week. leo yeah, it's aeet . — going? good week. leo yeah, it's good . have— going? good week. leo yeah, it's good . have you— going? good week. leo yeah, it's good . have you been- going.7 good week. leo yeah, it's good . have you been doing good. have you been doing attempted a coup on edinburgh. i got the carlyle, then decided to call it off. and have you sort of call it off. and have you sort at hate— call it off. and have you sort of made some— call it off. and have you sort of made some sort- call it off. and have you sort of made some sort of- tat? c and have you sort of made some sort of deal tit? c and have you sort of made some sort of deal with theta— of made some sort of deal with nicola sturgeon?— of made some sort of deal with nicola sturgeon? i'm going to be exttet— nicola sturgeon? i'm going to be exttet te— nicola sturgeon? i'm going to be exiled to wales. _ nicola sturgeon? i'm going to be exiled to wales. it— nicola sturgeon? i'm going to be exiled to wales. c i: exiled to wales. it could be t— exiled to wales. it could be worse. idon't_ exiled to wales. it could be worse. i don't mind-

exiled to wales. c i: i don't mind aberystwyth worse. i don't mind aberystwyth wtth— worse. i don't mind aberystwyth wtth thw— worse. i don't mind aberystwyth wtth thwt ts— worse. i don't mind aberystwyth with rhyl is quite— i don't mind aberystwyth with rhyl is quite nice . o" with rhyl is quite nice. oh, twe— with rhyl is quite nice. oh, i've never been— with rhyl is quite nice. oh, i've never been to- with rhyl is quite nice. oh, i've never been to rhyl it's fine. it's got. well anyway , i fine. it's got. well anyway, i went— fine. it's got. well anyway, i went te— fine. it's got. well anyway, i went to mould— fine. it's got. well anyway, i went to mould . _ �*" c gtzt well anyway, i went to mould . /t:::t. " went to mould. you've been to mould. that's a place in wales. it's a real place. they've got a lovely art centre. okay. yeah is there anywhere in i / is there anywhere in britain or the th— is there anywhere in britain or the uk that— is there anywhere in britain or the uk that isn't— is there anywhere in britain or the uk that isn't like named attes— the uk that isn't like named attet seme— the uk that isn't like named after some sort— the uk that isn't like named after some sort of fungus ? it's. after some sort of fungus? it's. do after some sort of fungus? it's. he vou— after some sort of fungus? it's. he yea thew— after some sort of fungus? it's. do you know there's a couple of ttttte— do you know there's a couple of little villages— do you know there's a couple of little villages near— do you know there's a couple of little villages near where i the— little villages near where i the aha— little villages near where i live and they're- little villages near where i live and they're called bere and weep. — live and they're called bere and weep. ts— live and they're called bere and weep. ts that— live and they're called bere and droop. is that real? - live and they're called bere and droop. ”tie? yeah. yeah. droop. is that real? yeah. yeah. goodness me. okay, well, look, i think it's about time we get some questions from the audience, because this is far too trivial me. we're going too trivial for me. we're going too trivial for me. we're going to with a question from to start with a question from eden. eden, that's me. hello. how you? yeah, a question. how are you? yeah, a question. is how are you? yeah, a question. ts-a— how are you? yeah, a question. ts-a beginning— how are you? yeah, a question. is-a beginning or- how are you? yeah, a question. is-a beginning or end- is this a beginning or end of pathe— is this a beginning or end of tatthe yeah— is this a beginning or end of putin? yeah _ is this a beginning or end of putin? yeah oh,— is this a beginning or end of putin? yeah o" �*ftt�*tzge putin? yeah oh, okay. well, we've all been thinking it. vladimir putin, as you know, has had particularly time this had a particularly bad time this week mercenaries known week with the mercenaries known as wagner. at first looking at they were going to stage a coup and then reach some kind and then they reach some kind of deal prigozhin ended up deal and prigozhin ended up making a deal saying he was going go to belarus. now, going to go to belarus. now, leo, we thinking for

leo, we were thinking for a while there, this is like shades of 1979, you know, where the army were basically saying to nicholas get out. and nicholas ii, yeah, get out. and putin even said that— \t i “43?" gig and putin even said that himself, hehte—he- putin even said that himself, right? he brought up putin even said that himself,- right?-he brought up i right? you know, he brought up i mean, for somebody who's sahheset— mean, for somebody who's sahhesetlhe— mean, for somebody who's supposed be strong man supposed to be a strong man theater,— supposed to be a strong man theater-wea— supposed to be a strong man dictator, you know, he dictator, he's you know, he thought— dictator, he's you know, he brought-that- dictator, he's you know, he brought that compared himself brought up that compared himself to brought up that compared himself te—se- brought up that compared himself te—sa tat- brought up that compared himself te—sa tat thel to that. yeah. yeah. so but the thing is, like him going off to belarus, it's going belarus, i mean, it's not going to i trotsky went to to i mean, trotsky went to mexico, work for him. mexico, didn't work out for him. i mean, is it not the case that when people do these kind of putsches, these attempted coups, they to their heads, putsches, these attempted coups, they they?) their heads, putsches, these attempted coups, they they?) inieir heads, putsches, these attempted coups, they they?) in russianis, don't they? yeah in russian history. i don't history. i mean, i don't understand prigozhin called history. i mean, i don't uroff. stand prigozhin called history. i mean, i don't uroff. whateverprigozhin called history. i mean, i don't uroff. whatever he'szhin called history. i mean, i don't uroff. whatever he's been:alled it off. whatever he's been htehtset.— it off. whatever he's been htehtset. t— e whatever he's been promised. i mean, a promise from vtatthh— promised. i mean, a promise from vladimir—really- vladimir putin isn't really weath— vladimir putin isn't really wehh—tt-s- vladimir putin isn't really- worth—it's-even worth the paper. it's not even hhhtet— worth the paper. it's not even htthtet — worth the paper. it's not even htthtet -as- worth the paper. it's not even printed on. -as we. worth the paper. it's not even printed on. as we can printed on. because as we can wtth— printed on. because as we can see with ukraine,— printed on. because as we can see with ukraine, he promised, you— see with ukraine, he promised, you thew,— see with ukraine, he promised, yea knew he— see with ukraine, he promised, you know, he never going to. you know, he was never going to. there-s— you know, he was never going to. there-s the— you know, he was never going to. there's the budapest or bucharest— there's the budapest or- bucharest—agreement. there's the budapest or- buciknow,_agreement. there's the budapest or- buciknow, he-agreement. there's the budapest or buciknow, he wasn't agreement. there's the budapest or buciknow, he wasn't agretotent. you know, he wasn't going to hate— you know, he wasn't going to invade ukraine— you know, he wasn't going to invade ukraine that didn't invade ukraine and that didn't wett— invade ukraine and that didn't work-ukraine.- invade ukraine and that didn'ti work-ukraine.-don't work out for ukraine. so i don't understand— work out for ukraine. so i don't understand-he- work out for ukraine. so i don't understand-he he- work out for ukraine. so i don't understand he he had understand prigozhin he he had his understand prigozhin he he had hts-eh— understand prigozhin he he had hts-eh the— understand prigozhin he he had his on the outskirts of his military on the outskirts of moscow— his military on the outskirts of moscow ,— his military on the outskirts of moscow , 70km _ his military on the outskirts of moscow , 70km from the centre, so moscow, 70km from the centre, so he seate— moscow, 70km from the centre, so he eeatt have— moscow, 70km from the centre, so he could have just— moscow, 70km from the centre, so he could have just gone in and you— he could have just gone in and you thew,— he could have just gone in and you know,.even_ he could have just gone in and you know, even said on the you know, he even said on the way— you know, he even said on the way up— you know, he even said on the way aha-sate,— you know, he even said on the way aplsatt, th- you know, he even said on the way up said, i'm going to, way up he said, i'm going to, i that—

way up he said, i'm going to, i that he— way up he said, i'm going to, i think he said— way up he said, i'm going to, i think he said he— way up he said, i'm going to, i think he said he was going to hang— think he said he was going to hang-aha— think he said he was going to hang and gerasimov. so hang shoigu and gerasimov. so the hetehee— hang shoigu and gerasimov. so the defence-and- hang shoigu and gerasimov. so the defence and the the defence minister and the heat— the defence minister and the heat-army,— the defence minister and the head army, yeah, he's head of the army, yeah, he's been— head of the army, yeah, he'si teen—heehte. head of the army, yeah, he's. teen—heehte. tt been with the army people. it wast— been with the army people. it t wtth. — been with the army people. it wasn't with. well— been with the army people. it wasn't with. well he - been with the army people. e e well he also said wasn't with. well he also said there— wasn't with. well he also said there was— wasn't with. well he also said there was going— wasn't with. well he also said there was going to— wasn't with. well he also said there was going to be- e well he also said there was going to be a new atestteht.— there was going to be a new atestteht. se— there was going to be a new president. so i— there was going to be a new president. so i know if president. so i don't know if hts— president. so i don't know if his backers,— president. so i don't know if his backers, he— president. so i don't know if his backers, he must had some tasters— his backers, he must had some tasters th— his backers, he must had some backers in the— his backers, he must had some backers in the russian establish if—bv- backers in the russian establish tt—hw the| if they've been nobbled by the by if they've been nobbled by the bv-fsb_ if they've been nobbled by the hw-tsh et— if they've been nobbled by the by fsb or whatever, you by the fsb or whatever, you thew,— by the fsb or whatever, you know, shadowy— by the fsb or whatever, you know, shadowy spies. it's weird tsh-t— know, shadowy spies. it's weird tsh-t-hecaase— know, shadowy spies. it's weird isn't-because-go. know, shadowy spies. it's weirdi isn't-because-go that isn't it? because if you go that far you back out, it's far and then you back out, it's like death sentence on like a death sentence on yourself, isn't it? yeah, absolutely. it definitely is. tha— absolutely. it definitely is. hhtlheah— absolutely. it definitely is. andimean, -to l absolutely. it definitely is.- andimean,-to remember and i mean, we have to remember that— and i mean, we have to remember that-tasstah— and i mean, we have to remember that russian military there that the russian military there is that the russian military there ts-tasstah— that the russian military there is russian military, is the russian military, but tt-s— is the russian military, but it's-fragmented. is the russian military, but it's-fragmented to it's actually fragmented into to about— it's actually fragmented into to aheat-t— it's actually fragmented into to about -7 private _ it's actually fragmented into to about 7 private military about 6 or 7 private military corporations.— about 6 or 7 private military corporations-one. about 6 or 7 private military corporations. one of corporations. yes. and one of these— corporations. yes. and one of these ts— corporations. yes. and one of these ts the— corporations. yes. and one of these is the group. but these is the wagner group. but there— these is the wagner group. but there-many— these is the wagner group. but there many others. right. so there are many others. right. so it's there are many others. right. so tt-s-htehse.— there are many others. right. so it's-intense. i'm- there are many others. right. so it's-intense. i'm not- there are many others. right. so it's intense. i'm not sure it's quite intense. i'm not sure what— it's quite intense. i'm not sure what-the— it's quite intense. i'm not sure what the statistical what like the statistical hhehs— what like the statisticali numbers—has what like the statistical numbers—has own numbers are, but he has his own army.— numbers are, but he has his own army. t— numbers are, but he has his own army. t heah— numbers are, but he has his own army. i mean, when— numbers are, but he has his own army. i mean, when he goes to hetatas— army. i mean, when he goes to hetatas aha— army. i mean, when he goes to hetatas and we— army. i mean, when he goes to belarus and we already know the hetatasstah— belarus and we already know the belarussian president is quite happy— belarussian president is quite happy to_ belarussian president is quite happy to tast— belarussian president is quite happy to just yank planes out of the-ht— happy to just yank planes out of the-ht he— happy to just yank planes out of the-if he wants— happy to just yank planes out of the-if he wants to- happy to just yank planes out of the if he wants to grab the sky if he wants to grab a teathattst— the sky if he wants to grab a journalist off— the sky if he wants to grab a journalist off them. yeah, there is journalist off them. yeah, there ts-that— journalist off them. yeah, there| is-that-wagner is no way that that guy wagner theezhh— is no way that that guy wagner prigozhin ts— is no way that that guy wagner prigozhin is going to be safe there.— prigozhin is going to be safe there. t— prigozhin is going to be safe there. i mean,— prigozhin is going to be safe there. i mean, for goodness sate,— there. i mean, for goodness sake, litvinenko_ there. i mean, for goodness sake, litvinenko was assassinated in a london sushi

bar assassinated in a london sushi hat. — assassinated in a london sushi hat. yeah.— assassinated in a london sushi bar. yeah, but— assassinated in a london sushi bar. yeah, but he— assassinated in a london sushi bar. / bar. yeah, but he must think he's safe. otherwise yeah, but it says to he's safe. otherwise yeah, but tt says to he— he's safe. otherwise yeah, but it says to me that— he's safe. otherwise yeah, but it says to me that there- yeah, but it says to me that there is sehethhe— it says to me that there is something else- it says to me that there is something else going on. and it's something else going on. and tt-s het— something else going on. and tt-s het te— something else going on. and tt-s hat to te— something else going on. and it's not to do with— something else going on. and it's not to do with putin. it says— it's not to do with putin. it says te— it's not to do with putin. it says to he— it's not to do with putin. it says to me that- it's not to do with putin. it says to me that there are other heehte— says to me that there are other heepte aeaat— says to me that there are other people around putin which are away— people around putin which are aetaatty the — people around putin which are actually the key— people around putin which are actually the key driving force . actually the key driving force. aha— actually the key driving force. and prigozhin— actually the key driving force. and prigozhin has been talking to them.— and prigozhin has been talking to them. they— and prigozhin has been talking to them. they have. right okay. so, to them. they have. right okay. so. yeah.— to them. they have. right okay. so. yeah. tat— to them. they have. right okay. so, yeah, but the— to them. they have. right okay. so, yeah, but the big— to them. they have. right okay. so, yeah, but the big question now is, is putin is putin himself safe? safe is his authority is secure because it's kind of a reminder, isn't it, that in order to sustain power, you need to keep the army on side? this is why whenever roman emperors came to power, they doubled the army's salary. yeah, because they knew that otherwise they'd killed. obe they'd get killed. obe especially lyou're - t: gt; t: obe especially you're if they'd get kitted. obe- especially lyou're if you're especially if you're if you're a stashe— especially if you're if you're a strong-dictator,- strong man dictator, you've tetatty— strong man dictator, you've tetatty-te— strong man dictator, you've totally-to the - strong man dictator, you've totally to the army on side. totally got to the army on side. aha—aet— totally got to the army on side. aha—eetlhawel totally got to the army on side.| and _ got i have the and also you've got to have the eeaatty— and also you've got to have the eeaatty-have— and also you've got to have the country. - have got - country. people have got to hettewe— country. people have got to believe-your— country. people have got to believe your strength. and believe in your strength. and thts— believe in your strength. and thts has— believe in your strength. and this has really— believe in your strength. and this has really been a wizard of oz-tet— this has really been a wizard of oz-tet hath. - oz moment for putin. it's teyeatet— oz moment for putin. it's revealed-he- oz moment for putin. it's revealed he doesn't he revealed that he doesn't he teesh-t—the- revealed that he doesn't he. doesn't-the strength doesn't even have the strength to doesn't even have the strength te—hatehhe- doesn't even have the strength to-marching all- doesn't even have the strength to marching all the to stop them marching all the way— to stop them marching all the waylheseew— to stop them marching all the waylheseewla- to stop them marching all the way moscow a day. and like way to moscow in a day. and like remember ceausescu way to moscow in a day. and like- remember-ceausescu-out remember when ceausescu came out in remember when ceausescu came out th—he— remember when ceausescu came out th—he tatt- in the balcony and he told ewetyhety— in the balcony and he told everybody-shut- in the balcony and he told everybody shut up and nobody everybody to shut up and nobody shat— everybody to shut up and nobody

shat-that— everybody to shut up and nobody shat-that was— everybody to shut up and nobody shut-that was the- everybody to shut up and nobody shut that was the moment shut up? and that was the moment evetyhety— shut up? and that was the moment eyetyhety—weatl everybody realised he was weak aha— everybody realised he was weak and they— everybody realised he was weak and they hat— everybody realised he was weak and they had the— everybody realised he was weak and they had the power over him and they had the power over him and he— and they had the power over him and he was— and they had the power over him and he was gone.— and they had the power over him and he was gone. four days later he-eehe.— and he was gone. four days later he-gehe. he— and he was gone. four days later he gone. he executed. he was gone. he was executed. hath— he was gone. he was executed. tatthlatteaay— he was gone. he was executed. putin-already looking- putin is already looking a bit weak since victory day weak since that victory day parade. had one parade. yeah. where he had one tank. mean, i see more than tank. i mean, i see more than one tank where i live. you know, it's like that's not very much you. hertfordshire. but you. well, in hertfordshire. but you. well, in hertfordshire. but you can rustle up you could. you can rustle up a set— you could. you can rustle up a set tahh— you could. you can rustle up a second tank, but— you could. you can rustle up a second tank, but the- i: you can rustle up a second tank, but the point is, the— second tank, but the point is, ttte-teetthe— second tank, but the point is, like looking weak is my like he's looking weak is my thhthe— like he's looking weak is my thinking-looking. like he's looking weak is my. thinking-looking weak thinking. he is looking weak because also he did something very uncharacteristic for putin. he got angry on television . he got angry on television. yeah. and was such i mean, yeah. and that was such i mean, good grief. girl's lip was quivering and she was shaking. she was very, very angry. wow i have never seen her behave like that before. so it's going to be so interesting.— that before. so it's going to be so interesting. well,— so it's going to be so interesting. well, i've teatty— so interesting. well, i've really enjoyed - so interesting. well, i've really enjoyed about this is thts— really enjoyed about this is thts ts— really enjoyed about this is thts ts att— really enjoyed about this is this is all happened so quickly aha— this is all happened so quickly aha-et— this is all happened so quickly aht-et as— this is all happened so quickly and-of us really- this is all happened so quickly and of us really knew who and none of us really knew who atteezhh— and none of us really knew who prigozhin was— and none of us really knew who prigozhin a— and none of us really knew who prigozhin was a few days ago. hat— prigozhin was a few days ago. hat-these— prigozhin was a few days ago. but these commentators have but all these commentators have had but all these commentators have hat-et— but all these commentators have hat-at pretent— but all these commentators have had of pretend that they had to sort of pretend that they were-svelte.- had to sort of pretend that they were-over-no, but- had to sort of pretend that they were-over. no, but we. were all over it. no, but we have been watching we've have been watching this. we've known is for ages. known who prigozhin is for ages. yeah have. because we're in yeah we have. because we're in the hashess— yeah we have. because we're in the business. well— tv/tziu?“ because we're in the business. well we've been the,— the business. well we've been the, veah. — the business. well we've been like, yeah. and— the business. well we've been like, yeah. and then-

the business. well we've been like, yeah. ' t: craig : like, yeah. and then everybody's like, yeah. and then everybody's like, wagner. is the like, wagner. wagner. is it the music? should know? yeah. music? should we know? yeah. it's a lot of people playing catch up at the moment. okay well, going to a well, look, we're going to get a question jim. where's question now from jim. where's jim? here. hi jim. what's jim? i'm here. hi jim. what's your question for— jim? i'm here. hi jim. what's your question for the- your question for the invitation?- your question for the invitation? is, this invitation? my question is, this hot— invitation? my question is, this met—step- invitation? my question is, this met—steh-veah mob called just stop oil? yeah do mob called just stop oil? yeah he-thht— mob called just stop oil? yeah do-think-time- mob called just stop oil? yeah do-think-time is- mob called just stop oil? yeah do think time is done do you think the time is done for do you think the time is done tea theme— do you think the time is done for them? the— do you think the time is done for them? the tides are turning. it for them? the tides are turning. tt-heeaase— for them? the tides are turning. it-because trevor- it could be because trevor hettseh— it could be because trevor neilson, who _ it could be because trevor neilson, who was co—founder neilson, who was a co—founder of tast— neilson, who was a co—founder of hast—haw— neilson, who was a co—founder of hast—haw sata- neilson, who was a co—founder of just—now said that. just apple, he has now said that he-teatty— just apple, he has now said that he-teatty sahhett- just apple, he has now said that he really support what he doesn't really support what they-te—t- he doesn't really support what. they-te—t ththt they're doing anymore. i think they-we— they're doing anymore. i think they-we tha— they're doing anymore. i think they've kind of their tactics have really not necessarily gone down well because down particularly well because they obviously they keep annoying they're annoying the people that they're trying know, trying to persuade. you know, they people from they keep stopping people from going to work. they keep glueing themselves works of themselves to priceless works of art. it surely is the art. i mean, it surely it is the case if the if the case that if the if the co—founder is now saying, guys, it's not working, then then isn't all. isn't it all over? not at all. why? because to draw an analogy hem— why? because to draw an analogy hem ah— why? because to draw an analogy them an ses— why? because to draw an analogy from an 80s film,— �*ftt�*y?’ because to draw an analogy from an 80s film, here's the theewah— from an 80s film, here's the mogwai. protesters are mogwai. the protesters are the stem— mogwai. the protesters are the etehtth.—tl mogwai. the protesters are the- gremlin._| mean? gremlin. do you see what i mean? httheagh— gremlin. do you see what i mean? although-protesters- gremlin. do you see what i mean? although protesters have although the protesters have come from him,— although the protesters have come from him, they are not him. t hey— come from him, they are not him. they ae— come from him, they are not him. they are gremlins.— come from him, they are not him. they are gremlins. they are now tahhhe— they are gremlins. they are now tahhhe th— they are gremlins. they are now running th aha— they are gremlins. they are now running in and causing havoc. thts— running in and causing havoc. thts ts— running in and causing havoc. thts ts a— running in and causing havoc. thts ts a very— running in and causing havoc. this is a very niche 1980s film

teeteheet t— this is a very niche 1980s film reference. i so— this is a very niche 1980s film reference. i so recommend you tt. — reference. i so recommend you tt. yeah.— reference. i so recommend you see it. yeah. gremlins- reference. i so recommend you see it. / chitin see it. yeah. gremlins is fantastic. yeah. and essentially what has happened is he is cut off from them. it has taken on a life off from them. it has taken on a ttte et— off from them. it has taken on a ttte at hts— off from them. it has taken on a life of its own. _ off from them. it has taken on a life of its own. if— off from them. it has taken on a life of its own. if they- it has taken on a life of its own. if they are going— life of its own. if they are going te— life of its own. if they are going to recruit- life of its own. if they are going to recruit from universities- going to recruit from universities and they're going to target— universities and they're going to target young— universities and they're going to target young people that they can to target young people that they sta— to target young people that they sttt ah— to target young people that they can stir up-this_ to target young people that they can stir up-this-of- can stir up into this kind of hatetat— can stir up into this kind of. hateful—they're hateful fervour where they're the,— hateful fervour where they're the, yeah— hateful fervour where they're the, yeah ,— hateful fervour where they're like, yeah , let's— hateful fervour where they're like, yeah , let's just burn all like, yeah, let's just burn all the— like, yeah, let's just burn all the at— like, yeah, let's just burn all the oil paintings— like, yeah, let's just burn all the oil paintings because we need— the oil paintings because we need te— the oil paintings because we heed to step— the oil paintings because we need to stop oil— the oil paintings because we need to stop oil like some of them,— need to stop oil like some of them, t— need to stop oil like some of them, t het— need to stop oil like some of them, i bet, don't- need to stop oil like some of them, i bet, don't even know what— them, i bet, don't even know what they-te— them, i bet, don't even know what they're protesting. no, i that— what they're protesting. no, i ththt—thhtl what they're protesting. no, i- think—think they're think some of them think they're protestat— think some of them think they're pretestthg att— think some of them think they're protesting oil painting. they-te— protesting oil painting. they-te-pash- protesting oil painting. i they're-posh-i protesting oil painting. - they're-posh-i do they're all so posh like i do understand if you're going to understand is if you're going to have this movement, why not just get them to put working class get them to put on working class accents so they don't sound like they're because they're so, you know, because they're so, you know, because they so they seem like they're so superior everyone, going they seem like they're so su lookr everyone, going they seem like they're so su look like everyone, going they seem like they're so su look like the yone, going they seem like they're so su look like the musical. ioing to look like the musical. oliver they're like, come on, tataath— oliver they're like, come on, tataath tet-s— oliver they're like, come on, tarquin, let's go— oliver they're like, come on, tarquin, let's go and set fire. they— tarquin, let's go and set fire. they att— tarquin, let's go and set fire. they all they've— tarquin, let's go and set fire. they all they've all- tarquin, let's go and set fire. they all they've all got- tarquin, let's go and set fire. they all they've all got names like hugo ponsford and ponsonby and working class and we obviously working class people right? so people have got jobs, right? so they don't have time to q7 so they don't have time to and q7 so theindon't have time to and q7 so thein thet have time to and d 7 so thein the street time to and d 7 so thein the street orne to and d 7 so thein the street or glue and sit in the street or glue themselves— sit in the street or glue themselves to - sit in the street or glue themselves to a bus. so yeah, the— themselves to a bus. so yeah, the weathe— themselves to a bus. so yeah, the working class— themselves to a bus. so yeah, the working class people got got ththgs— the working class people got got ththgs-ha— the working class people got got thhes-ha yea— the working class people got got things-do you think- the working class people got got things-do you think it'sl things to do. do you think it's working their campaign? no, absolutely not. i mean, if

absolutely not. i mean, maybe if they— absolutely not. i mean, maybe if they-aha— absolutely not. i mean, maybe if they-antlteh-t— absolutely not. i mean, maybe if they and don't know, they went and i don't know, hteetet— they went and i don't know, hteetet-te- blocked the roads to glastonbury, i'd some glastonbury, i'd have some respect— glastonbury, i'd have some respect tet— glastonbury, i'd have some respect for them. ti?“ e respect for them. but they can't because half of their mates are going exactly. yeah going to them. exactly. yeah and just oil, you've and with just stop oil, you've got and with just stop oil, you've get to — and with just stop oil, you've pet to thaw— and with just stop oil, you've got to follow the _ and with just stop oil, you've got to follow the money. they're not—ideological- not some sort of ideological group— not some sort of ideological pteap-ttyhp- not some sort of ideological group-trying t0- group that are trying to make a hettet— group that are trying to make a hettet-theyhe- group that are trying to make a better-they're-by. better world. they're paid by green— better world. they're paid by green energy— better world. they're paid by green energy-te- better world. they're paid by green energy to advance green energy barons to advance an agenda— green energy barons to advance an agenda that— green energy barons to advance an agenda that makes those green energy—hate- energy barons rich. so, dale whee,— vince, the founder of ecotricity, _ vince, the founder of ecotricity, worth over £100 ecotricity, is worth over £100 htttteh. — ecotricity, is worth over £100 million. .funds_ ecotricity, is worth over £100 million. funds stop million. he funds just stop oil. he million. he funds just stop oil. he-tahts— million. he funds just stop oil. he .funds-labour- million. he funds just stop oil. he funds labour party. he also funds the labour party. so he also funds the labour party. se tast— he also funds the labour party. se tast step— he also funds the labour party. so just stop oil,— he also funds the labour party. so just stop oil, go out and hate— so just stop oil, go out and hate ht— so just stop oil, go out and make it look— so just stop oil, go out and make it look as— so just stop oil, go out and make it look as if there's this hape— make it look as if there's this hape pathe— make it look as if there's this huge public upswelling and sappett— huge public upswelling and sappett-eteeh- huge public upswelling and support green energy support for the green energy that— support for the green energy that-whee— support for the green energy that vince provides us. and that dale vince provides us. and he-the— that dale vince provides us. and he-the labour— that dale vince provides us. and he the labour party to he funds the labour party to pass— he funds the labour party to pass-that— he funds the labour party to pass-that make- he funds the labour party to pass that make him pass policies that make him ash.— pass policies that make him ash-teas- pass policies that make himi rich.-tens.millions rich. he gets tens of millions of rich. he gets tens of millions at peahts— rich. he gets tens of millions at peahts th— rich. he gets tens of millions of pounds in taxpayers subsidy, or of pounds in taxpayers subsidy, ea rather— of pounds in taxpayers subsidy, ea tathet hts— of pounds in taxpayers subsidy, or rather his company does. and atse— or rather his company does. and atse they— or rather his company does. and atse they pass— or rather his company does. and also they pass policies. so keir stame— also they pass policies. so keir starmer said,— also they pass policies. so keir starmer said, i'm— also they pass policies. so keir starmer said, i'm going to stop teeth— starmer said, i'm going to stop teeth sea— starmer said, i'm going to stop teeth sea at— starmer said, i'm going to stop north sea oil and— starmer said, i'm going to stop north sea oil and gas. that's hasteatty— north sea oil and gas. that's basically like— north sea oil and gas. that's basically like mafia move basically like a mafia move going— basically like a mafia move pethp th— basically like a mafia move pethp th aha— basically like a mafia move going in and shutting down. are you going in and shutting down. are yea sappestthp— going in and shutting down. are you suggesting there's a causal tht— you suggesting there's a causal that there— you suggesting there's a causal that there th— you suggesting there's a causal link there in that— you suggesting there's a causal link there in that keir starmer is link there in that keir starmer hen—- link there in that keir starmeri ts—eh-hasts is changing policy on the basis of is changing policy on the basis et-haetetse— is changing policy on the basis of-backers? well,- is changing policy on the basis of backers? well, if of these backers? well, if sehehety— of these backers? well, if somebody-you - of these backers? well, if somebody you a bunch somebody gives you a bunch of honey—te- somebody gives you a bunch of hehey—te whatl somebody gives you a bunch of. money—do what you money and then you do what you what— money and then you do what you what-wants— money and then you do what you whatlwahts yea— money and then you do what you what-wants you to— money and then you do what you

what wants you to do, i mean, what he wants you to do, i mean, that— what he wants you to do, i mean, that seate— what he wants you to do, i mean, that eeatt he— what he wants you to do, i mean, that could be coincidence. leo that— that could be coincidence. leo that happens— that could be coincidence. leo that happens ta— that could be coincidence. leo that happens to me- that could be coincidence. leo that happens to me all the time. it's just pure, pure coincidence. okay. we're going to to a question to move on now to a question from where is gwen? hi, from gwen. where is gwen? hi, gwen. you ? should the gwen. how are you? should the tteyat— gwen. how are you? should the tteyat cattepe— gwen. how are you? should the royal college be— e" itii; tit7 should the royal college be investigated attet— royal college be investigated attet the— royal college be investigated after the cat— royal college be investigated after the cat gender out ? tv/tiutit" after the cat gender out? yeah. rye after the cat gender out? yeah. tye cottage— after the cat gender out? yeah. tye cottage .— after the cat gender out? yeah. tye cottage . th— after the cat gender out? yeah. rye college . i'm glad you rye college. i'm glad you mentioned the name of the college. so this is this. this college. so this is this. this college. you must have heard it. this recording the. the this recording of the. the teacher the two girls teacher berating the two girls about that they about the fact that they wouldn't their who wouldn't respect their peer who identified cat. and now . identified as a cat. and now. now kemi badenoch, who's also the minister for women and equalities , has now said she's equalities, has now said she's written to ofsted. in fact, i saw the letter. it was on twitter. she's written to ofsted. so it said, maybe rye college ought to be investigated because that that there because that belief that there are two sexes, that those are immutable, actually immutable, all that's actually protected the protected by law ever since the maya case. but the maya forstater case. but the thing diane, now, there's thing is, diane, now, there's been a of and been a lot of stories and anecdotes this week about children as cats. children identifying as cats. right? is right? apparently, this is a thing. birbalsingh, thing. katharine birbalsingh, who's of michaela who's the head of michaela college, to college, has has spoken to teachers cat in their teachers who have a cat in their class. the cat allowed to

class. and the cat is allowed to lie on the floor and responds to miaowing. right but you've also had telegraph a report had the telegraph did a report this which was saying that this week which was saying that there pupil they found there was one pupil they found who identifying as a horse. who was identifying as a horse. there who was there was another who was identifying dinosaur. there identifying as a dinosaur. there was wearing a cape and was one who's wearing a cape and identifying moon . right identifying as a moon. right now, i think what's going on there are being there is those pupils are being satirical. i think they're joking adults have joking because the adults have sort gone along with this. sort of gone along with this. yeah. and the adults yeah. and because the adults sort have bought this sort of have bought into this nonsense the nonsense self id stuff, the pupils just testing it. pupils are just testing it. they're okay, if i can be they're like, okay, if i can be whatever gender i want, i can be a moon. kids are absolute wind up. a moon. kids are absolute wind ap. ttetchaht— a moon. kids are absolute wind up. merchant yeah,— kids are absolute wind up. merchant yeah, course up. merchant yeah, of course that-s—goth up. merchant yeah, of course that-s—gohg toi up. merchant yeah, of course. that's—going to do. that's what they're going to do. as that's what they're going to do. ts-yoa— that's what they're going to do. ts-yoa ghe— that's what they're going to do. ts-yoa gwe-al that's what they're going to do.i as-you give-a rule as soon as you give them a rule aha— as soon as you give them a rule aha-cah— as soon as you give them a rule aha-can see— as soon as you give them a rule and-can see the— as soon as you give them a rule and can see the flaw in and they can see the flaw in that— and they can see the flaw in that rate — and they can see the flaw in that rule and— and they can see the flaw in that rule and they can see how it that rule and they can see how tt hates— that rule and they can see how it makes absolutely no sense. yeah— it makes absolutely no sense. yeah-asco— it makes absolutely no sense. yeah,-used to- it makes absolutely no sense. yeah,-used to be- yeah, like i used to be a teacher.— yeah, like i used to be a teacher. if— yeah, like i used to be a teacher. if i— yeah, like i used to be a teacher. if i would have gone in aha— teacher. if i would have gone in and ht— teacher. if i would have gone in and t these— teacher. if i would have gone in and if these rules— teacher. if i would have gone in and if these rules were here, these— and if these rules were here, these stays— and if these rules were here, these days, i'd— and if these rules were here, these days, i'd have walked in. i'd these days, i'd have walked in. tot-hat— these days, i'd have walked in. i'd-had noah's- these days, i'd have walked in. i'd had noah's ark right in i'd have had noah's ark right in that— i'd have had noah's ark right in ttoht-t-t— i'd have had noah's ark right in front-i'd have— i'd have had noah's ark right in front-i'd have had- front of me. i'd have had zerash— front of me. i'd have had zebras,-tigers,| front of me. i'd have had. zebras,-tigers, and zebras, lions and tigers, and you— zebras, lions and tigers, and yoa—ahythhgl zebras, lions and tigers, andi yoa—ahythhg as zebras, lions and tigers, and. yoa—ahythhg as a you couldn't say anything as a teacher,— you couldn't say anything as a teacher-t— you couldn't say anything as a| teacher,-i-you're teacher, because i know you're hot— teacher, because i know you're not authentically— teacher, because i know you're not authentically a zebra, but you— not authentically a zebra, but yoa — not authentically a zebra, but yoa yeah.— not authentically a zebra, but you can. tv/tiutit" i " of you can. yeah, you can. of course you can.— you can. yeah, you can. of

course you can. you- you can. tv/tiutit" i " of course you can. you can. and thts— course you can. you can. and thtslwhy— course you can. you can. and thtslwhy herht— course you can. you can. and this why kemi badenoch want this is why kemi badenoch want to-investigation.- this is why kemi badenoch want to-investigation. - to have this investigation. hecaase— to have this investigation. because-think,- to have this investigation. because-think, like. to have this investigation. - because-think, like many because she, i think, like many of us are absolutely appalled that teacher showed no sign that the teacher showed no sign of ability discuss, the of the ability to discuss, the ability debate. ability to debate, to debate. well, they well, she said they were despicable. they said they despicable. yeah, they said they were despicable, which is awful because the difference because they know the difference between being a cat. between a human being and a cat. is yeah. is that despicable? yeah. well, is that despicable? yeah. well, t tor-t— is that despicable? yeah. well, t tor-t thaw. — is that despicable? yeah. well, i don't know.lmean,- is that despicable? yeah. well, i don't know. mean, i've seen i don't know. i mean, i've seen the state of modern kids. they're pretty obese, so. so i think what's identify as a moon, that makes sense. i've seen i've seen a that makes sense. i've seen i've a tew hts— that makes sense. i've seen i've seen a few kids that— i've seen i've seen a few kids that genuinely coatt— seen a few kids that genuinely coatt exert— seen a few kids that genuinely coatt exert a— seen a few kids that genuinely could exert a gravitational pull on the— could exert a gravitational pull on the trees.— could exert a gravitational pull on the tides. yes,— could exert a gravitational pull on the tides. yes, in a sense, they-re— on the tides. yes, in a sense, they-re oe— on the tides. yes, in a sense, they're more like— on the tides. yes, in a sense, they're more like moons than chtttrea— they're more like moons than children. yeah.— they're more like moons than children. yeah. _ they're more like moons than children. yeah. i— they're more like moons than children. yeah. i think this is all a drive to make the because i many kids are being i mean so many kids are being put into sort of put into this sort of transitioning pipeline is to bnng transitioning pipeline is to bring of bring down the cost of surgically transitioning the kids if they identify as kids because if they identify as a you can get a vet to do a cat, you can get a vet to do it. also at lunchtime it. yeah, but also at lunchtime time. so they're allowed to steep.— time. so they're allowed to steep. they-re— e so they're allowed to sleep. they're allowed to be oat.— sleep. they're allowed to be oat-lthey— sleep. they're allowed to be oat-lthey-tet- sleep. they're allowed to be out..they-fed cat- sleep. they're allowed to be out. they fed cat food? out. do they get fed cat food? no.— out. do they get fed cat food? to. they— out. do they get fed cat food? no, they wouldn't— out. do they get fed cat food? no, they wouldn't touch- out. do they get fed cat food? no, they wouldn't touch that. it's not very nice. well they shoatt. — it's not very nice. well they should. yeah.— e tilt " ti.ti; well they should. yeah. because e it:th " ti.ti; well they should. yeah. because they're cats. —heet-

should. yeah. because they're cats. _ need to - should. yeah. because they're. cats. _need to prove cats. yeah. they need to prove that cat. it's actually that they're cat. it's actually htgher— that they're cat. it's actually htgher grate— that they're cat. it's actually higher grade _than - that they're cat. it's actually. higher grade _than normal higher grade meat than normal schoot— higher grade meat than normal school dinners.— higher grade meat than normal school dinners. yeah, that's prohahty— school dinners. yeah, that's prohahty-as— school dinners. yeah, that's probably as well. tv/tiutit" probably true as well. yeah, hts— probably true as well. yeah, is heat. tt— probably true as well. yeah, it's meat. it is— probably true as well. yeah, it's meat. it is a— probably true as well. tv/tiutit" e it is a nonsense. it's meat. it is a nonsense. anyway.— it's meat. it is a nonsense. thyway. — e it is a nonsense. anyway, we're going move on anyway, we're going to move on to— anyway, we're going to move on now to l question _ anyway, we're going to move on now to question from chiara. now to a question from chiara. where-s— now to a question from chiara. where's chiara?_ now to a question from chiara. where's chiara? hello i just wanted— where's chiara? hello i just wanted-the- where's chiara? hello i just wanted the aussies are wanted to ask if the aussies are right question musk. wanted to ask if the aussies are rightnow uestion musk. wanted to ask if the aussies are rightnow you'rei musk. wanted to ask if the aussies are rightnow you're an musk. wanted to ask if the aussies are rightnow you're an aussierk. yes. now you're an aussie yoarsett. — yes. now you're an aussie yoarsett. t— yes. now you're an aussie yoarsett. t ach— yes. now you're an aussie yourself. i am, yeah. you said it yourself. i am, yeah. you said tt-ah— yourself. i am, yeah. you said tt-ah eage— yourself. i am, yeah. you said it-an edge. yeah- yourself. i am, yeah. you said it an edge. yeah you don't it with an edge. yeah you don't want—yoa- it with an edge. yeah you don't want—yoar horhei want us to criticise your home horhetaht. — want us to criticise your home homeland. imean_ want us to criticise your home homeland.imean ,- want us to criticise your home homeland. mean , i've been homeland. i mean, i've been gaesttohhg— homeland. i mean, i've been questioning musk years, questioning elon musk for years, so—to— questioning elon musk for years, so—to chow- questioning elon musk for years, so—to thow ht- questioning elon musk for years, so_to know if i'm- so i just want to know if i'm rtght. — so i just want to know if i'm rtght. trott— so i just want to know if i'm right. �*foti... i so i just want to know if i'm right. kittie. {feet well, right. well, basically. well, thts— right. well, basically. well, this-because,— right. well, basically. well, this-because, of- right. �*foti... i well, this because, of course, elon this is because, of course, elon trash— this is because, of course, elon ttast. as— this is because, of course, elon ttast. as yoa— this is because, of course, elon musk, as you know, taken over twttter— musk, as you know, taken over twitter-basically- musk, as you know, taken over twitter basically said, twitter and he's basically said, toot.— twitter and he's basically said, tooh-gohg— twitter and he's basically said, tooh-gohg to— twitter and he's basically said, look, going to have free look, we're going to have free speech — look, we're going to have free speech on — look, we're going to have free speech on the— look, we're going to have free speech on the platform. he's hroaght— speech on the platform. he'si brought—accounts brought back lots of accounts that—tor- brought back lots of accountsj that_for.good that were banned for no good reason. sometimes because reason. sometimes just because they— reason. sometimes just because they- difference - reason. sometimes just because they difference between they knew the difference between a—worhah-howl a man and a woman. and now various countries— a man and a woman. and now various countries saying, various countries are saying, ho-the— various countries are saying, no, the censorship various countries are saying,- no,-the censorship back. no, we want the censorship back. tht— no, we want the censorship back. tht tastratta— no, we want the censorship back. and australia these. and australia is one of these. tastratta— and australia is one of these. australia—saying. australia is basically saying they-re— australia is basically saying they-re-the- australia is basically saying they're fine elon musk they're going to fine elon musk up they're going to fine elon musk ap to— they're going to fine elon musk ap to hatt— they're going to fine elon musk ap to hatt a— they're going to fine elon musk up to half a million a day artess— up to half a million a day ates he— up to half a million a day unless he starts censoring peopte— people. they don't like. he rhtght— people. they don't like. he rhtght-say.— people. they don't like. he might say, come on then, might just say, come on then, tet-s— might just say, come on then, tet-s-what— might just say, come on then, tet-s-what yoa— might just say, come on then, let's what you got. yeah, let's see what you got. yeah, i'd let's see what you got. yeah, t-t towe— let's see what you got. yeah, t-t towe-the- let's see what you got. yeah, i'd love the australians i'd love to see the australians try-the— i'd love to see the australians try-the ttoh— i'd love to see the australians try fine elon musk, see how try and fine elon musk, see how that— try and fine elon musk, see how that works— try and fine elon musk, see how that works out. _ try and fine elon musk, see how that works out. kittie.

try and fine elon musk, see how that works out. �*foti... that works out. well, he is a bit like a guy who just already owns a lamborghini. parks it owns a lamborghini. so parks it wherever because he can wherever he likes because he can afford ticket. exactly afford the ticket. exactly but what i interesting, i what i found interesting, i investigate report and they investigate this report and they only interviewed 4800 australians. so let's start right there with the fact that their sample group is tiny. but isn't australia quite i grit e but isn't australia quite small? tsh-t— isn't australia quite small? hat that— isn't australia quite small? isn't that like— isn't australia quite small? isn't that like half the popatattoh— isn't that like half the population of population you're thinking of new— population you're thinking of new zealand_ population you're thinking of new zealand ?_ population you're thinking of new zealand ? oh, okay, fine. so new zealand? oh, okay, fine. so aha— new zealand? oh, okay, fine. so and atso— new zealand? oh, okay, fine. so and atso the— new zealand? oh, okay, fine. so and also the last— new zealand? oh, okay, fine. so and also the last report was in here— and also the last report was in hhth aha— and also the last report was in hhth and they— and also the last report was in 2019 and they were making all the comparison— 2019 and they were making all the comparison between online hate— the comparison between online hate has— the comparison between online hate has radically— the comparison between online hate has radically improved shce— hate has radically improved since 2019. _ hate has radically improved since 2019. yes,- hate has radically improved since 2019. “tit; witt: since 2019. yes, we had a pandemic in between calm down, darling. but also elon musk didn't take over twitter until 27th of october 20, 22. so they seem to be pinning a lot on elon, whereas this report covers that whole amount of time. that's interesting. i think it's a very weak report, but also i don't see any evidence of this rise in hate speech. i think a lot of the people— rise in hate speech. i think a lot of the people are- i i i i think a lot of the people are just sort of lot of the people are just sort ot sayhg— lot of the people are just sort ot saythg. were— lot of the people are just sort of saying, we're seeing opinions we ooh-t— of saying, we're seeing opinions we toh-t the.— of saying, we're seeing opinions we don't like. yeah. and that coats— we don't like. yeah. and that

counts as hate— we don't like. yeah. and that counts as hate speech about. yeah.— counts as hate speech about. yeah, absolutely.— counts as hate speech about. yeah, absolutely. i— counts as hate speech about. yeah, absolutely. i mean,- counts as hate speech about. yeah, absolutely. i mean, hate speech nebulous speech is such a nebulous defined it's basically defined thing. it's basically i mean, it basically means something, that something, something that you don't, something something, something that you don�*hate. something something, something that you don�*hate. yes. something something, something that you don�*hate. yes. yeah.)mething something, something that you don�*hate. yes. yeah. you hing you hate. so yes. yeah. you can't really sort of allege hate against it. you can't objectively define it. but should musk objectively define it. but. should -musk.taking should elon musk be taking a stand— should elon musk be taking a stand-these— should elon musk be taking a stand these countries come stand when these countries come in stand when these countries come hwe-— stand when these countries come hwe- heet— stand when these countries come hwe- heet oe- in and say we need more ceasorshtp— in and say we need more censorship, then in and say we need more censorship,-then end censorship, well, then you end up censorship, well, then you end up-is_ censorship, well, then you end ap-ts what— censorship, well, then you end up-is what tech- up in this is what tech copaes— up in this is what tech companies "cat up in this is what tech- companies-they pander to companies do. they pander to every corporation. i every every corporation. so, i mean, google and all the different companies, what different tech companies, what they china is obviously they offer in china is obviously vastly different and censored compared get in the compared to what you get in the west. that's true. they do west. yeah that's true. they do make rules west. yeah that's true. they do make-rules for- make different rules for different— make different rules for different-youl make different rules for- different-you know, different countries. you know, it different countries. you know, tt—otay.- different countries. you know, tt—otay. ttettl it does happen. okay. well, w-ereto— it does happen. okay. well, we're-to-nowl it does happen. okay. well,| we're-to-now to we're going to go on now to another— we're going to go on now to another question— we're going to go on now to another question from jackie. jackie— another question from jackie. - tactte—wmstoh jackie hello. hello. was winston churchill supremacist? churchill a white supremacist? it i knew him well. i think he hat— it i knew him well. i think he hat-tssaes.— it i knew him well. i think he had-issues. no- it i knew him well. i think he had issues. no look, the had some issues. no look, the ththg—gaesttoh- had some issues. no look, the. thing-question comes thing about this question comes up thing about this question comes ap agah— thing about this question comes ap agath aha— thing about this question comes up again and again, because there-s—sorhe- up again and again, because. there's-some reason, there's always for some reason, there's always for some reason, the-aways.— there's always for some reason, the always, constantly there's always for some reason, the after always, constantly there's always for some reason, the after him. ilways, constantly there's always for some reason, the after him. this s, constantly there's always for some reason, the after him. this is constantly there's always for some reason, theafter him. this is saintintly go after him. this is saint haat-s— go after him. this is saint paul's cathedral. an paul's cathedral. there was an arttcte— paul's cathedral. there was an arttcte oh— paul's cathedral. there was an article on the— paul's cathedral. there was an article on the saint paul's cathetrat— article on the saint paul's. cathedral—was cathedral website, which was up for cathedral website, which was up torlyear— cathedral website, which was up forlyear calling— cathedral website, which was up for year calling winston for a year calling winston charchttt— for a year calling winston churchill supremacist for a year calling winston- churchill-supremacist . churchill a white supremacist. gr..— churchill a white supremacist. hh-why— churchill a white supremacist. th-why ts— churchill a white supremacist. th-why ts ht— churchill a white supremacist. uh, why is it about winston uh, now, why is it about winston charchttt— uh, now, why is it about winston churchill? they're— uh, now, why is it about winston churchill? they're always going atter—tact—

churchill? they're always going after—fact that - churchill? they're always going after—fact that he. after? isn't the fact that he heat— after? isn't the fact that he heat the — after? isn't the fact that he beat the ultimate fascist? adolf httter— beat the ultimate fascist? adolf hitler doesn't _ beat the ultimate fascist? adolf hitler doesn't that give him hates— hitler doesn't that give him some kudos ? _ hitler doesn't that give him some kudos ? kittie. hitler doesn't that give him some kudos ? �*foti... some kudos? well, not just the ultimate, ultimate fascist, but the socialist the ultimate national socialist , which is so obviously, you know, for a lot. on the left, adolf hitler is their hero. and that's why they try and emulate his anti—semitism. but yeah , his anti—semitism. but yeah, winston churchill, i think, because, you know , for people of because, you know, for people of a certain age, he's he was you know, we grew up thinking he defeated the. he's this great guy - defeated the. he's this great guy . so obviously, anybody on guy. so obviously, anybody on a pedestal, literally on a pedestal, literally on a pedestal, he's he's on the top of he's they've got statues of him in some places. they want to tear him down. it's very odd, thoagh— tear him down. it's very odd, thoagh. tsh-t— tear him down. it's very odd, though, isn't it,— i : it's very odd, though, isn't it, because there-s— though, isn't it, because there-s ho— though, isn't it, because there's no attempt to contextualise. i accept that he wtt— contextualise. i accept that he wttt-wews- contextualise. i accept that he will-views-we l will have had views that we ooh-t— will have had views that we don't-acceptable- will have had views that we don't- acceptable he don't find acceptable because he was-tong— don't find acceptable because he was-tong ttrhe— don't find acceptable because he was-long time ago- don't find acceptable because he was long time ago and was born a long time ago and peopte— was born a long time ago and peopte hat— was born a long time ago and people had different views and wews— people had different views and chahge— people had different views and views change over time. so what is views change over time. so what tslahoat— views change over time. so what islabout-activists- views change over time. so what is about activists that is it about the activists that they— is it about the activists that- they—historical they can't understand historical context.— context, that they're always judging — context, that they're always. tatghg—past context, that they're always- judginti—past by judging people from the past by her— judging people from the past by thetr ow— judging people from the past by their own standards? do they not that— their own standards? do they not that they-re— their own standards? do they not think they're going _ their own standards? do they not think they're going to get tatget— think they're going to get tatget-rheahl think they're going to get judged mean, i'm judged in like, i mean, i'm judging— judged in like, i mean, i'm- tatghg—hecaase judging them right now because they-re—ttte- they're all idiots. but like in a

they're all idiots. but like in -ayeas— they're all idiots. but like in -ayeas the.- they're all idiots. but like in- a-years time,-going a hundred years time, it's going to-worse, right? - a hundred years time, it's going to worse, right? kittie. to be even worse, right? well, it's to be even worse, right? well, he very— to be even worse, right? well, its very strange— to be even worse, right? well, it's very strange that it was also on the church of england website because do they not preach that preach forgiveness? wait, that doesn't preach forgiveness? wait, that toesh-t—at- preach forgiveness? wait, that doesn't—at all. - preach forgiveness? wait, thatj doesn't—at all. the doesn't surprise me at all. the charch— doesn't surprise me at all. the charch ot— doesn't surprise me at all. the church of england— doesn't surprise me at all. the church of england has gone very woke.— woke, isn't it? oh, yeah, absolutely. _ woke, isn't it? oh, yeah, absolutely. badly, i absolutely. really badly, i woatt— absolutely. really badly, i woatt say.— absolutely. really badly, i woatt say. — absolutely. really badly, i would say. “tit; rititir�* e would say. yes. but aren't they supposed be like forgiveness supposed to be like forgiveness and lighter and trying to see the lighter side always look on the side of life? always look on the bright side. they bright side. aren't they supposed to be like that? or have with have i got confused with the film? that's life film? that's monty python's life of film? that's monty python's life ot-rtghte— film? that's monty python's life ot-rtghte-we- film? that's monty python's life ot-rtghte-we go.- of brian, right? there we go. okay.— of brian, right? there we go. otay. good.— of brian, right? there we go. okay, good. now— of brian, right? there we go. okay, good. now you got that one wohg — okay, good. now you got that one wrohg okay— okay, good. now you got that one wrong. okay listen,— okay, good. now you got that one wrong. okay listen, would wrong. okay listen, those would be wrong. okay listen, those would he—gaesttohsl wrong. okay listen, those wouldi be_questions. we be some excellent questions. we have—cohhg- be some excellent questions. we have—cohhg api have got some more coming up trom— have got some more coming up trorh—aattehce- have got some more coming up from audience later have got some more coming up frothe audience later have got some more coming up frothe show. audience later have got some more coming up frothe show. and udience later have got some more coming up frothe show. and also ice later have got some more coming up frothe show. and also stillater have got some more coming up frothe show. and also still tor in the show. and also still to corhee—h- in the show. and also still toi come,_be talking come, i'm going to be talking to stetta— come, i'm going to be talking to stetta-aht— come, i'm going to be talking toi stella-and-burgo stella o'malley and joseph burgo trom— stella o'malley and joseph burgo trorh—are- stella o'malley and joseph burgo trorh—are gohgl from jen specht, who are going tolhere— from jen specht, who are going tolhere to— from jen specht, who are going to.here to tell— from jen specht, who are going to.here to tell me- from jen specht, who are going to here to tell me about the to be here to tell me about the ththt— new think

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aha— detransitioners parent groups and others— detransitioners parent groups and others who— detransitioners parent groups and others who seek high quality tor— and others who seek high quality care for gender— and others who seek high quality care for gender related ttstress— care for gender related distress. the- care for gender related distress. the group has recently announced they— distress. the group has recently announced they are establishing announced they are establishing aththt— announced they are establishing a that tant— announced they are establishing a think tank which will develop an alternative— a think tank which will develop an alternative to— a think tank which will develop an alternative to what they see as the — an alternative to what they see as the flawed— an alternative to what they see as the flawed standards of care prorhotet— as the flawed standards of care prorhotetlthe— as the flawed standards of care promoted the world promoted by the world professional- promoted by the world professional association for trahsgehter— professional association for transgender health or path . the transgender health or path. the ththt— transgender health or path. the ththt tart— transgender health or path. the think tank will— transgender health or path. the think tank will create a non rhettcat— think tank will create a non medical guide— think tank will create a non medical guide relying upon contributions— medical guide relying upon contributions from experts and tearing— contributions from experts and leading thinkers— contributions from experts and leading thinkers in various ttetts— leading thinkers in various fields impacted by gender tteotogy. — fields impacted by gender tteotogy. tht— fields impacted by gender ideology. and that's due to be pahttshet— ideology. and that's due to be pahttshet th— ideology. and that's due to be published in november this year. so published in november this year. so here— published in november this year. so here to— published in november this year. so here to tell— published in november this year. so here to tell me— published in november this year. so here to tell me more, i'm pteaset— so here to tell me more, i'm pteaset to— so here to tell me more, i'm pleased to welcome jen specht, ttrector— pleased to welcome jen specht, director stella _ pleased to welcome jen specht, director stella o'malley and vtce— director stella o'malley and vice director— director stella o'malley and vice director joe _ director stella o'malley and vice directorjoe burgo, who thaht— vice directorjoe burgo, who thaht yoa— vice directorjoe burgo, who thank you both— vice directorjoe burgo, who thank you both for coming . thank you both for coming. steth— thank you both for coming. stetta. th— thank you both for coming. stella, i'm going to come to you first— stella, i'm going to come to you ttrst ahoat— stella, i'm going to come to you first about this. _ stella, i'm going to come to you first about this. can— stella, i'm going to come to you first about this. can you exptah— first about this. can you explain what— first about this. can you explain what path is and your retattohshtp— explain what path is and your relationship with— explain what path is and your relationship with them as jen specht— relationship with them as jen specht w— relationship with them as jen specht w path— relationship with them as jen specht w path is— relationship with them as jen specht w path is an organisation that— specht w path is an organisation that was— specht w path is an organisation that was started _ specht w path is an organisation that was started in— specht w path is an organisation that was started in the late 70s aha— that was started in the late 70s and there— that was started in the late 70s and there were— that was started in the late 70s and there were kind of a motley group— and there were kind of a motley groap ot— and there were kind of a motley groap ot trahs— and there were kind of a motley group of trans people and professionals— group of trans people and professionals who were working in professionals who were working th the— professionals who were working th the aea— professionals who were working th the aha— professionals who were working in the area and they were created— in the area and they were createt to— in the area and they were created to promote trans gender heatth— created to promote trans gender heatth. to— created to promote trans gender heatth. to hetp— created to promote trans gender health, to help people who are transitioning—

health, to help people who are transitioning and— health, to help people who are transitioning and over the years they— transitioning and over the years they thet— transitioning and over the years they trtet to— transitioning and over the years they tried to stay— transitioning and over the years they tried to stay as a professional- they tried to stay as a professional group and they thet— professional group and they trtet to— professional group and they trtet to stay— professional group and they tried to stay kind of halfway serious. but— tried to stay kind of halfway serious. but by— tried to stay kind of halfway serious. but by the- tried to stay kind of halfway serious. $7000 serious. but by the early 2000, they were overtaken by activists. and that is arguably why activists are running everything these days to us gender health and so as we started out, we started jen specht as a response to this extraordinary gender ideology just creeping everywhere from cats to schools to us young children who have some terribly harrowing stories. and families are being ripped apart because they're transitioning too early and they're not able to make these, you know, permanent decisions about their bodies. and so we started jen specht as a as a counter organiser nation, and we realised that not only do we need to have a counter organisation that offers a different view to how you could be gender diverse and people could be kind of, for example , could be kind of, for example, they could live a very gender diverse without diverse life without medicalizing. to medicalizing. you don't have to medicalize. but also we had to show because because show that because because w pat's their entire kind of way

of operating is hashtag no debate. they don't debate. they shut people down. they they, you know, they absolutely defame. people are certainly they make very little of an awful lot of people's reputations . and as people's reputations. and as a result, arguably , an awful lot result, arguably, an awful lot of people have been cowed and silenced out. and so we started to say, well, we're going to have to offer something and we're going to have to go head to them. and we to head with them. and we have created and as said, a think created and as you said, a think tank that kind of is putting what we think are the best minds together . here to talk what we think are the best minds together. here to talk about genderin together. here to talk about gender in a more rational way and in a healthier way, because our approach to gender is a healthy approach to sex and genden healthy approach to sex and gender, i.e, create a framework where people can be diverse . where people can be diverse. it's maybe little boys can run around in dresses, but nobody wants to call him a girl. well, and nobody is making him take puberty blockers or offering a fast track of a medical medic illicit pathway and so we're creating a gender care framework

and we're going to release it as such at our next conference. so i'll bring joe in at this ti. " i “ix. "�*"ti;iti; so i'll bring joe in at this point. tt-s— i'll bring joe in at this point. tt-s very— i'll bring joe in at this point. it's very interesting what stetta — it's very interesting what stetta ts— it's very interesting what stella is saying about the acttwsts— stella is saying about the activists insofar as there have heeh— activists insofar as there have heeh-trahs— activists insofar as there have. been _trans-groups been sort of trans gender groups in been sort of trans gender groups th-that— in the past that weren't captaret— in the past that weren't captaret hy— in the past that weren't captured by these activists. if you— captured by these activists. if you 90— captured by these activists. if yoa go tact— captured by these activists. if yoa go tact h— captured by these activists. if you go back 12 years, mermaids even-sayhg— you go back 12 years, mermaids even saying sensible even were saying quite sensible ththgs— even were saying quite sensible things promotional things in their promotional ttteratare— things in their promotional literature-how- things in their promotional literature how for the literature about how for the host— literature about how for the most part.— literature about how for the most part, puberty resolves a lot most part, puberty resolves a tot ot— most part, puberty resolves a tot ot these— most part, puberty resolves a lot of these feelings of gender tysphorta— lot of these feelings of gender tysphorta th— lot of these feelings of gender dysphoria in childhood. but now they— dysphoria in childhood. but now they-thts— dysphoria in childhood. but now they-thts tht- dysphoria in childhood. but now they-this kind of- they do have this kind of strtteht— they do have this kind of strident activist quality . and strident activist quality. and as strident activist quality. and -assays— strident activist quality. and as says, no debate . they as stella says, no debate. they wtt— as stella says, no debate. they wtttlahoat— as stella says, no debate. they will-about their— as stella says, no debate. they will about their opponents , will lie about their opponents, they— will lie about their opponents, they-shear— will lie about their opponents, they-smear them,- will lie about their opponents, they smear them, they will they will smear them, they will tast— they will smear them, they will tast hot— they will smear them, they will just not interested— they will smear them, they will just not interested in participating in like adults. go.— participating in like adults. to. hot— participating in like adults. to. hot at— participating in like adults. no, not at all. _ participating in like adults. no, not at all. and- participating in like adults. no, not at all. and that's why we are going to them. we're following them where they're holding their conference is and saying, yes, debate , we will saying, yes, debate, we will debate. we will present a totally different point of view totally different point of view to yours. at the same time and in the same place. this is what we did in april in cologne. in the same place. this is what we did in april in cologne . we we did in april in cologne. we had a conference with educators, lawyers, feminist , a lot of lawyers, feminist, a lot of detransitioners , all presenting

detransitioners, all presenting an alternative perspective to the one that was being talked about just down the road with a group of medical professionals talking about how you admitted after puberty blockers and when's the best time to do surgery and hormones . so we just surgery and hormones. so we just go surgery and hormones. so we just 9° up surgery and hormones. so we just go up against them and we present a completely different point of view and we insist that that, yes, there will be debate. so activists will say, but, you know, there are people who suffer gender dysphoria. suffer from gender dysphoria. they support. actually they need support. and actually the-way— they need support. and actually the-way to— they need support. and actually the-way to support- they need support. and actually the way to support those the best way to support those peopte— the best way to support those peopte-atttrrh — the best way to support those people affirm them people is to affirm them whatever— people is to affirm them whatever they - people is to affirm them whatever they say, that they teet— ts- whatever they say, that they feel_ is that. whatever they say, that theyi feel—is that not feel that they are. is that not rtght— feel that they are. is that not rtght e — feel that they are. is that not right ? activists— feel that they are. is that not right ? activists say- feel that they are. is that not right ? i. . right? activists say that they don't have any evidence base to support that. you can say an awful lot things life awful lot of things in life and it doesn't mean true . and it doesn't mean it's true. and what have found is this what we have found is this affirmative concept that came in about ten years ago. there's no long we don't long term evidence. we don't actually know it is, what actually know what it is, what is going to be the impact of all of these kids being affirmed? we don't actually nobody don't actually know. nobody knows who anybody says they know. not telling the know. they're not telling the truth because there is long truth because there is no long term but we term evidence. but what we do know, because i'm a psychotherapy and so is

psychotherapy wokeist and so is joe, that if somebody joe, we know that if somebody comes pain, we would comes in in deep pain, we would affirm that they're there. we would the of their would affirm the depth of their feeling. they feeling. we affirm that they want a cat. would want to be a cat. we would affirm want , you affirm whatever they want, you know, obviously most people know, and obviously most people don't want to be a cat, don't come in, want to be a cat, know is quite rare. yeah. know that is quite rare. yeah. know is extremely but know that is extremely but it's more hasn't happened. it's more like say more hasn't happened. it's more like-say effeminate- more hasn't happened. it's more like-say effeminate boys- like you say effeminate boys hehg—they-rei being convinced that they're actaatty— actually in the wrong body hecaase— actually in the wrong body because-only- actually in the wrong body because only one way to because there's only one way to because there's only one way to helhoy— because there's only one way to helhoy or— because there's only one way to helhoy or wce— because there's only one way to be boy or vice versa. oi . be a boy or vice versa. or like ttttte— be a boy or vice versa. or like little lesbians who little butch lesbians who haven't discovered that haven't yet discovered that they're who feel very they're a lesbian who feel very masculine. as girl, you masculine. and as one girl, you know, said, i'm not pretty enough to be a girl. so there's yeah, so there's some really kind vulnerable people kind of sad, vulnerable people who are like, i don't like my body , i don't like who i am. body, i don't like who i am. i don't know my sexuality. don't don't know my sexuality. i don't know. normal, though, for know. it's normal, though, for adolescents, it? it is, adolescents, isn't it? it is, but it's a :i e c7 it is, but it's a hypersexualized :i if" e c7 it is, but it's a hypersexualized world wereh- aha— but it's a hypersexualized world we're in and there's we're living in and there's a lot-demands— we're living in and there's a lot demands teenagers lot of demands on teenagers ttte— lot of demands on teenagers the-are— lot of demands on teenagers the-are yoa- lot of demands on teenagers like, are you gay? ' iti; like, well, are you gay? are you note— like, well, are you gay? are you hate who— like, well, are you gay? are you hate who-yoa— like, well, are you gay? are you not? who you fancy? and some like, well, are you gay? are you nothemo you fancy? and some like, well, are you gay? are you nothem haven'ti fancy? and some like, well, are you gay? are you nothem haven't had cy? and some like, well, are you gay? are you nothem haven't had a ? and some like, well, are you gay? are you nothem haven't had a sexualsome of them haven't had a sexual awakening. and if you ask a kid before, they've had a sexual awakening do you fancy? it's awakening who do you fancy? it's creepy. don't creepy. it's icky. they don't want but been pushed

want to, but it's been pushed upon his upon them. yeah, so? so it is hard on them. it's very interesting,— “ritit: tit“ it's very interesting, though, “it: “0“ it's very interesting, though, isn't it? hecaase— interesting, though, isn't it? because this— interesting, though, isn't it? because this sounds to me a because this sounds to me like a very— because this sounds to me like a very tht— because this sounds to me like a very the ot— because this sounds to me like a very kind of ultra— because this sounds to me like a very kind of ultra conservative vtewpohts— very kind of ultra conservative viewpoints-what— very kind of ultra conservativel viewpoints-what-to viewpoints of what it means to be viewpoints of what it means to he—tht- viewpoints of what it means to he—tht the| viewpoints of what it means to- be_and the idea be male and female. and the idea that— be male and female. and the idea that year— be male and female. and the idea that your sexual— be male and female. and the idea that your sexual orientation is soehow— that your sexual orientation is somehow-to- that your sexual orientation is somehow-to your- somehow related to your htotogtcat— somehow related to your biological sex.- somehow related to your biological sex. we know from hahhah— biological sex. we know from hannah barnes's_ biological sex. we know from hannah barnes's book on the tavtstoct— hannah barnes's book on the tavistock that— hannah barnes's book on the tavistock that between 80 and hete— tavistock that between 80 and hots ot— tavistock that between 80 and 90% of adolescents who were reterret — 90% of adolescents who were reterret to — 90% of adolescents who were referred to that— 90% of adolescents who were referred to that paediatric gehter— referred to that paediatric. gehter—sev gender clinic were same sex attracttoh. — gender clinic were same sex attracttoh. so— gender clinic were same sex attraction. so what extent is attraction. so to what extent is thts— attraction. so to what extent is thts tteotogy— attraction. so to what extent is this ideology just— attraction. so to what extent is this ideology just kind of ththg— this ideology just kind of ttvthg gay— this ideology just kind of fixing gay people, them fixing gay people, making them stratght— fixing gay people, making them stratghte — fixing gay people, making them straight ? well,— fixing gay people, making them straight? kittie. fixing gay people, making them straight ? kittie. fixing gay people, making them straight? kittie. it; straight? well, that's my big concern. and you know, what you're very you're saying is it's very regressive so are very regressive. so these are very regressive. so these are very regressive gender roles. i mean, a who likes to wear a dress a boy who likes to wear a dress is actually a girl. mean, 40 is actually a girl. i mean, 40 years ago, we were trying to expand the possibilities for gender . and now we've got gender roles. and now we've got these rigid roles and you these very rigid roles and you fit one the fit into either one or the other. my big concern is that camp boys are being transed. and, you know, we're dealing right now with these big conversion therapy bans saying that if you challenge someone's transgender identity, that's

conversion therapy . so i would conversion therapy. so i would say that what's going on with affirmative care in the in gids at the tavistock, that's the conversion therapy they're taking butch lesbians and camp boys and they're saying you're born in the wrong body and we're going to fix you and we'll make you normal. so it's interesting hecaase— you normal. so it's interesting hecaase t-ve— you normal. so it's interesting because i've met— you normal. so it's interesting because i've met a— so it's interesting because i've met a number of detransitioners.— because i've met a number of detransitioners. i— because i've met a number of detransitioners. i remember one in detransitioners. i remember one th—very- detransitioners. i remember one th—very tast- detransitioners. i remember one th—very tast ahi in particular was a very just an etterhhate— in particular was a very just an. effeminate—young. effeminate gay man, very young. but effeminate gay man, very young. hat-he— effeminate gay man, very young. but-he-adolescent,j but when he was an adolescent, he—he— but when he was an adolescent, he—he chast- but when he was an adolescent, he—he rhast hel but when he was an adolescent, he_he must be a| he was persuaded he must be a gtrt—carhp- he was persuaded he must be a. gtrt—carhp-how girl because he was camp and now he_he— girl because he was camp and now he_he has— girl because he was camp and now he_he has ho— girl because he was camp and now he he has no genitals he has. well, he has no genitals |rheah— he has. well, he has no genitals |rheah that-s— he has. well, he has no genitals .imean, that's the— he has. well, he has no genitals . mean, that's the that's the . i mean, that's the that's the prohterh — . i mean, that's the that's the problem _stakes- . i mean, that's the that's the problem stakes are problem here. the stakes are very— problem here. the stakes are very-yoa- problem here. the stakes are very-yoa wtt- problem here. the stakes are very you will have very high. and you will have worked— very high. and you will have wortet-a— very high. and you will have worked a number worked with a number of detransitioners. mean, detransitioners. i mean, the sargery— detransitioners. i mean, the sargery-sorhe- detransitioners. i mean, the sargery-sorhe ot- detransitioners. i mean, the- surgery-some of-have surgery that some of them have hadr— surgery that some of them have hatt—tt— surgery that some of them have hatt—ht ca- surgery that some of them have had,_it can ruin- had, i mean, it's it can ruin peopte-s— had, i mean, it's it can ruin people's lives. _ had, i mean, it's it can ruin people's lives. e : “g people's lives. it's devastating because you know, there's a comical aspect . and we can all comical aspect. and we can all look online it's kind of look online and it's kind of funny. then you actually look online and it's kind of funnythe then you actually look online and it's kind of funnythe people you actually look online and it's kind of funnythe people who ictually look online and it's kind of funnythe people who who lly look online and it's kind of funnythe people who who bought meet the people who who bought into could a into it that they could be a different person, they different person, that they could have could change their body and have a and nobody a different name and nobody would the old person. would refer to the old person. i remember one girl who was a detransitioners, so she medically at a young age. medically trans at a young age. she took puberty blockers, took testosterone masculine testosterone and masculine face

and masculinised her and masculine masculinised her face and her body. and she had a mastectomy. and i remember her saying, you know, i had a mastectomy . and before anybody mastectomy. and before anybody had ever touched my breasts in a loving way. and so it's kind of like she'd had no sexual experience us before. and now she had a mastectomy. so she never will have a loving. but people will be shocked- ii “3 but people will be shocked by the very— people will be shocked by the very ttea— people will be shocked by the very ttea that— people will be shocked by the very idea that a— people will be shocked by the very idea that a mastectomy for a heatthy— very idea that a mastectomy for a heatthy earty— very idea that a mastectomy for a healthy early adolescent temate— a healthy early adolescent female, that— a healthy early adolescent female, that that's even going on. female, that that's even going heopte— female, that that's even going on. people will— female, that that's even going on. people will be sceptical ahoat— on. people will be sceptical about that. _ on. people will be sceptical about that. yeah,- on. people will be sceptical about that. tv/tiuit“ i. on. people will be sceptical about that. / ii about that. yeah, people will be sceptical about it and it is happening . it's not happening happening. it's not happening under 18 in the uk, but they hit the ground running at 18 because there have been so intense and they have really an awful lot like we've talked about the gay and the lesbian. there are definitely a large proportion , definitely a large proportion, but lot of these kids have but a lot of these kids have autism and they have a very little understanding they little understanding and they genuinely this is going to genuinely think this is going to be the solution to all these unsettling feelings of alienation and hate in my body. and feeling uncomfortable. i'm

going to be a boy and i'll be i'll be better or i'll feel better. so it is a there's a harrowing stories of detransitioners and, you know, we had about 15 of them at the last conference in killarney. and, you know, there was a panel and they all said their stories. and you just realise, oh my god, it's people it's the most vulnerable people who getting caught who are getting caught up in this. absolutely. well, this. yeah, absolutely. well, joe, we don't have tv/tiuit“ dial well, joe, we don't have much more the.— joe, we don't have much more the. hat— joe, we don't have much more time, but could— joe, we don't have much more time, but could you perhaps tell us time, but could you perhaps tell as. the- time, but could you perhaps tell us_can find out- time, but could you perhaps telli us_can find out more us how people can find out more ahoat— us how people can find out more ahoat-specht.— us how people can find out more about-specht,-the- about jen specht, about the that— about jen specht, about the that tahh— about jen specht, about the think tank, and— about jen specht, about the think tank, and maybe your next cherehctee— think tank, and maybe your next| conference?_spac.org conference? right. jen spac.org , we've got all sorts of resources for parents and educators and people. we've got a program for transitioners. we subsidise psycho therapy. we have alternate programs for them. it's all on the website and our next conference is going to be in denver, colorado, in november. opposite the other w path conference at the same time and will likewise be bringing people together from politics and education and all different fields to present an alternative view. so no matter what w path wants— view. so no matter what w path wahts there — view. so no matter what w path wants, there will— view. so no matter what w path wants, there will be— . so no matter what w path wants, there will be a debate. it wants, there will be a debate. tt wtt— wants, there will be a debate. tt wttt he— wants, there will be a debate.

tt wttt he a— wants, there will be a debate. it will be a debate. yeah. tacetteat— it will be a debate. yeah. excellent. well, stella and joe, thaht— excellent. well, stella and joe, thaht yoa— excellent. well, stella and joe, thank you both— excellent. well, stella and joe, thank you both so— excellent. well, stella and joe, thank you both so for thank you both so much for tothhg— thank you both so much for. toththg—thaht thank you both so much for- tohthg—thaht yoa joining me. thank you. thank you . stit— joining me. thank you. thank you . stttt stit— joining me. thank you. thank you . still still to come on free speech nation speakers corner is meant to be a bastion of free speech. but this week, a melee prote— speech. but this week, a melee hrote oat— speech. but this week, a melee broke out when— speech. but this week, a melee broke out when one— i but this week, a melee broke out when one row got parttcatarty— broke out when one row got particularly heated as speakers corner regular— particularly heated as speakers corner regular will be here to tett— corner regular will be here to tett as— corner regular will be here to tett as more— corner regular will be here to tell us more. see— corner regular will be here to tell us more. see you in a rhoeht—

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hat— speeches since the mid 1800s. hat hts— speeches since the mid 1800s. but its reputation— speeches since the mid 1800s. but its reputation as a safe haven— but its reputation as a safe haven tor— but its reputation as a safe haven for free— but its reputation as a safe haven for free speech and opthtohs— haven for free speech and opthtohs ot— haven for free speech and opinions of all— haven for free speech and opinions of all varieties came anter— opinions of all varieties came ahter threat— opinions of all varieties came under threat this— opinions of all varieties came under threat this week when a heated— under threat this week when a heated discussion— under threat this week when a heated discussion erupted into , heated discussion erupted into, wett— heated discussion erupted into, wett ah— heated discussion erupted into, well, an actual— heated discussion erupted into, well, an actual brawl and this regatret— well, an actual brawl and this regatret the— well, an actual brawl and this required the police to be called . so— required the police to be called . so speakers— required the police to be called . so speakers corner regular steve— . so speakers corner regular steve chilcott_ . so speakers corner regular steve chilcott was present at the— steve chilcott was present at the the— steve chilcott was present at the the aha— steve chilcott was present at the time and he— steve chilcott was present at the time and he joins me now. steve— the time and he joins me now. steve welcome _ the time and he joins me now. steve welcome to— the time and he joins me now. steve welcome to the show. thank you steve welcome to the show. thank yoa . — steve welcome to the show. thank yoa . watchme— steve welcome to the show. thank you . welcome back— steve welcome to the show. thank you . welcome back to- steve welcome to the show. thank you . you. welcome back to the show. you've been on the show a few times and course you've been times and of course you've been going corner an going to speakers corner for an awful time. longer than i awful long time. longer than i care-remember,— awful long time. longer than i care-remember, right?- ai“t; e longer than i care remember, right? it care to remember, right? so it hears-teat- care to remember, right? so it means-deal to - care to remember, right? so it means deal to you. means a great deal to you. thsotatety. — means a great deal to you. absolutely. yeah why don't you tell absolutely. yeah why don't you tett-happened- absolutely. yeah why don't you tell happened last tell us what happened last sahtaye — tell us what happened last sahtaye so— tell us what happened last sunday? a “tir “iaiiyt tell us what happened last sunday? so unfortunately, had sunday? so unfortunately, we had the quite vicious the return of some quite vicious violence weekend , last violence last weekend, last sunday, when one of the very regular christian preachers at the corner was very violent and aggressively attacked , started aggressively attacked, started with a shove. he ended up on the floor. fists were going , kicks floor. fists were going, kicks were going in his his christian preacher friends were attacked by a mob that landed upon them. when you say a mob, how many are we tatthge — when you say a mob, how many are we tatthge t— when you say a mob, how many are we talking? i mean,— when you say a mob, how many are we talking? a“ti;iti; when you say a mob, how many are we talking? “ “tiiri; we talking? i mean, there was a melee going on. frankly, i would say there was 20 plus people .

say there was 20 plus people. were the police there? there was no peace— were the police there? there was no police there at time that no police there at the time that it happened . and they it happened. and they were called. arrived five, ten called. they arrived five, ten minutes later and i have to say they were not interested id the aggressors were pointed out to them. they were identified and people were showing them videos of the attack on their phone. so they knew the individuals who were still standing there as bright in the park. bright as anything in the park. the not even approach the police did not even approach them didn't their them. they didn't take their names. they didn't take their identity. to identity. they didn't speak to them. point of them. so the whole point of speakers anyone can speakers corner is anyone can stand say anything they stand up and say anything they like, how like, irrespective of how controversial is. what was controversial it is. what was this christian _ controversial it is. what wasi this christian-saying this christian preacher saying that—apsetel this christian preacher saying- that_upset? they that caused so much upset? they were—whether- that caused so much upset? they| were _whether jesus were arguing about whetherjesus is were arguing about whetherjesus ts cot— were arguing about whetherjesus ts cot .— were arguing about whetherjesus ts cot . yoa— were arguing about whetherjesus is god , you know,— were arguing about whetherjesus is god , you know, so is god, you know, so a theological— is god, you know, so a theological ,- is god, you know, so a theological , typical theological theological, typical theological ttscasstoh— theological, typical theological discussion that— theological, typical theological discussion that goes in on week in, discussion that goes in on week h. weet— discussion that goes in on week h. weeh oat— discussion that goes in on week in, week out at— discussion that goes in on week in, week out at speakers corner. toththg— in, week out at speakers corner. nothing contentious,— in, week out at speakers corner. nothing contentious, no- in, week out at speakers corner. nothing contentious, no .- in, week out at speakers corner. nothing contentious, no. you know, we know what more contentious things could have been said. there was nothing remotely contentious. so. so who were these people?— remotely contentious. so. so who were these people? attack- i so. so who were these people? attack was it i so. so who wgroupzse people? attack was it i so. so who wgroup of people? attack was it i so. so who

wgroup of militant attack was it i so. so who wgroup of militant atheistsvas it i so. so who wgroup of militant atheists or; it a group of militant atheists or sorhethhge— a group of militant atheists or sorhethhge — a group of militant atheists or something? or— a group of militant atheists or something? oi fitatiti“ tiretir7 a group of militant atheists or something? fitatiti“ tiretir7 something? or buddhists? i think it might been buddhist. it might have been buddhist. no, no, they were no, they weren't. they were islamists. the guy, the main islamists. the one guy, the main protagonist of this attack, who i've since discovered is a lebanese born islamist sunni preacher who has said some pretty vile things. he said things like 911 was an insider plot. he said jews deserved the holocaust. it was god's retribution to them. he said, george bush and i'm a great fan of george bush, but he says george bush is a devil worshipping illuminati that deserved so he's a crazy man. he's an absolute crazy . we've he's an absolute crazy. we've not seen him at speaker's corner before, but clearly he came with a large crowd of people who ended up inflicting physical violence on people. would you say that— violence on people. would you say that thts— violence on people. would you say that this man— violence on people. would you say that this man was- . i ti“ would you say that this man was inciting the others— say that this man was inciting the others to— say that this man was inciting the others to inflict this vtotehce — the others to inflict this violence ? _ the others to inflict this violence ? some of there, violence? some of them there, i think, were probably his bodyguards, his security . they bodyguards, his security. they they big butch guys that they were big butch guys that were standing with him throughout his his his time at the corner . and they were very the corner. and they were very active violence. the active in the violence. the thing with active in the violence. the thing .with speakers- iti. “ . i the thing with speakers corner active in the violence. the. thing-with speakers corner , thing is with speakers corner, you— thing is with speakers corner, yoae-ve— thing is with speakers corner, yoae-ve tasttty- thing is with speakers corner, you even justify a man you would even justify a man

the— you would even justify a man the that.— you would even justify a man like that,lsort_ you would even justify a man like that,lsort of— you would even justify a man like that, sort of crazed like that, a sort of crazed tstarhtst— like that, a sort of crazed islamist preacher standing up aha— islamist preacher standing up are sayhg— islamist preacher standing up and saying wants. yeah and saying what he wants. yeah evactty. — and saying what he wants. yeah exactly. however— and saying what he wants. yeah exactly. . i i i. and saying what he wants. yeah exactly. a. exactly. however unwholesome or unpleasant it might be. of course i would be the first person to say they have their right to come to speak as anyone has their right to come to speaker's corner, deny the holocaust, come out with whatever nonsense they whatever crazy nonsense they want. point is the want. the tipping point is the violence. tipping is violence. the tipping point is the and the feet. the fists and the. and the feet. so surely i mean, i would have thoaght— so surely i mean, i would have thoaght-pottce- so surely i mean, i would have thought police and from thought that the police and from my three— thought that the police and from my limited understanding of what goes— my limited understanding of what goes-pottce— my limited understanding of what goes-police-meant- my limited understanding of what goes police meant to goes on, the police are meant to be goes on, the police are meant to he—areh-t- be there every week, aren't theye—aht- be there every week, aren't they?_and they be there every week, aren't- they?_and they are so they? honestly? and they are so i was saying you a moment i was saying to you a moment ago, posey, parker, kelly j. ago, so posey, parker, kelly j. keen they had keen was there today. they had a completely gathering of completely peaceful gathering of the speak no trouble, the let women speak no trouble, a very large police a very, very large police presence. so the police pick and choose what they when they decide to enforce calm and well it's interesting because a couple of months ago when the let women speak group were in hyde park, the police were nowhere to be seen . in fact, nowhere to be seen. in fact, graham linehan_ iti; “ in fact, graham linehan filmed them watthg— graham linehan filmed them wattthg away.— graham linehan filmed them walking away. well, the

walking away. well, when the when— walking away. well, when the wheh-worheh— walking away. well, when the when women were kettled in when the women were kettled in by when the women were kettled in hy aggresstve— when the women were kettled in by aggressive men— when the women were kettled in by aggressive men in masks. wett— by aggressive men in masks. well, precisely— by aggressive men in masks. well, precisely . _ by aggressive men in masks. well, precisely . a, by aggressive men in masks. well, precisely. tittig well, precisely. but every week, every month. so mainly they go there at the last sunday of every corner. every month to speakers corner. there's huge police there's been a huge police presence it's been very, presence and it's been very, very policed. so that very well policed. so has that been very well policed. so has that teen-there— very well policed. so has that been _there was- been because there was a hacttash— been because there was a backlash to _ been because there was a backlash to the- been because there was a backlash to the police negligence? �*ftt�*tiii backlash to the police- negligence? well, that's the precise word for it. it was negligent last sunday. it was negligent last sunday. it was negligent that when negligent at that time when graham videoed the police officers away . and graham videoed the police othink; away . and graham videoed the police othink there away . and graham videoed the police othink there wasiway . and graham videoed the police othink there was aay . and graham videoed the police othink there was a very, and graham videoed the police othink there was a very, very nd i think there was a very, very large understand large backlash that i understand went to the home office, went went to the home office, went went to the home secretary level. see, what i don't understand— see, what i don't understand about is level. see, what i don't- understand about-is when it understand about this is when it comes-religious- understand about this is when it comes religious question, comes to the religious question, when—rattcat- when it comes to radical tstamtsra— islamism, i mean, we've seen a chrtsttah— islamism, i mean, we've seen a christian preacher— islamism, i mean, we've seen a christian preacher stabbed in hyste— christian preacher stabbed in hyte-aht— christian preacher stabbed in hyte-aht t— christian preacher stabbed in hyde and i believe she was hyde park, and i believe she was arrestet. — hyde park, and i believe she was arrested. _precisely- hyde park, and i believe she was arrested. i “ arrested. well, precisely hatun tash, has knocked tash, who has been knocked unconscious on one occasion, an who's stabbed in neck . who's been stabbed in the neck. on occasion, an was on a second occasion, an was herself arrested by the police . herself arrested by the police. she subsequently took them to court won and 10,000 compensation, £10,000 compensation, £10,000 compensation for wrongful arrest. so, again, they are very quick to jump in and arrest certain perpetrators . well, just

certain perpetrators. well, just to raise certain perpetrators. well, just to the— certain perpetrators. well, just to raise the spectre— certain perpetrators. well, just to raise the spectre of- to raise the spectre of rotherham _ to raise the spectre of rotherham ,- to raise the spectre of rotherham , we know that we had rotherham, we know that we had these— rotherham, we know that we had these rapes— rotherham, we know that we had these rapes and— rotherham, we know that we had these rapes and sexual abuses going— these rapes and sexual abuses gothg oh— these rapes and sexual abuses gothg oh hecaase— these rapes and sexual abuses going on because the police did not want— going on because the police did not want to— going on because the police did not want to arrest— going on because the police did not want to arrest a certain peopte— not want to arrest a certain peopte trorh — not want to arrest a certain peopte erect a— not want to arrest a certain people from a certain community hecaase— people from a certain community hecaase they— people from a certain community because they would be accused of hehg—sarhe- because they would be accused of being—same thing. being racist. is the same thing happehthg— being racist. is the same thing happehthg here— being racist. is the same thing happening here as in radical tstarhtst— happening here as in radical islamist-can- happening here as in radical islamist-can can. islamist preachers can can hctte— islamist preachers can can incite _violence. islamist preachers can can incite violence as islamist preachers can can- incite _violence as they incite as much violence as they want— incite as much violence as they want hecaase— incite as much violence as they want because they— incite as much violence as they want because they want to want because they don't want to be want because they don't want to heractsrh— - want because they don't want to heractsrh— th- want because they don't want to be_racism. in my. be accused of racism. in my wew— be accused of racism. in my view, metropolitan police view, the metropolitan police force worst force are one of the worst culprits for the inconsistent application of the law. we've seen it with just stop oil. we saw it during lockdown where they treated different protest movements very, differently movements very, very differently . so i remember one sunday dunng . so i remember one sunday during the latter times of lockdown, you know, they they had vans. they they clamped down on anyone stopping momentarily. and speaking at speakers corner . yet at the very same moment across the road in marble arch there was a shia muslim gathering. and celebration. so at the very same point in time where they're clamping down on lockdown, they're not lockdown, they're they're not clamping area . clamping down on another area. but there a problem when but is there a problem here when you but is there a problem here when yoa-certah— but is there a problem here when you certain speakers and

you have certain speakers and peopte— you have certain speakers and peopte-certah- people who hold certain ideological— people who hold certain ideological beliefs where free speech — ideological beliefs where free speech itself— ideological beliefs where free speech itself is— ideological beliefs where free speech itself is against their vataes— speech itself is against their vataes aha— speech itself is against their values and this— speech itself is against their values and this is the issue that— values and this is the issue that speakers— values and this is the issue that speakers corner, which we all that speakers corner, which we at trow— that speakers corner, which we at thow aha— that speakers corner, which we all know and respect , is the all know and respect, is the home— all know and respect, is the home ot— all know and respect, is the home of free— all know and respect, is the home of free speech in this coahtry— home of free speech in this coahtry ts— home of free speech in this coahtry ts so— home of free speech in this country is so inconsistently pottcet— country is so inconsistently pottcet . — country is so inconsistently policed . �*ftt�* country is so inconsistently policed . �*ftt"“tiitirittir policed. whereas you know, christian preachers are arrested when they are the victims . yet when they are the victims. yet these thugs violent thugs, i mean, the old guy, the guy that i was referring to, the lebanese preacher, he had a crutch with him, which he was repeated bringing heads bringing down on people's heads . so that's assault. well, precisely . it wasn't just precisely. it wasn't just a thug, a push or whatever it was vicious, violent attacks . and vicious, violent attacks. and there's that guy and the police are shown videos of the crutch coming down on people's heads, and they don't even go and take his name. i mean, this is not right. well, you just need right. well well, you just need to apply— right. well well, you just need to appty the— right. well well, you just need to appty the taw— i ;“ well well, you just need to apply the law irrespective of who— to apply the law irrespective of who ts— to apply the law irrespective of who is committing crime, who is committing the crime, hecaase— because surely this is very patrohtsthg— because surely this is very patronising to— because surely this is very patronising to muslims to saggest—tt- patronising to muslims to. suggest—if there patronising to muslims to- suggest_if there are suggest that, well, if there are groaps— suggest that, well, if there are groaps wtthh— suggest that, well, if there are groups within that community hreathg— groups within that community breaking—shouldl breaking the law, you should have— leave them alone. well, prectsety— leave them alone. well, prectsety-yoal leave them alone. well, precisely _you what precisely because you know what were-ahoat— precisely because you know what

we're - about here - precisely because you know what we're - about here at - we're talking about here at speaker-s— we're talking about here at speaker's corner is a vile group of speaker's corner is a vile group ot-tstarhtsts- speaker's corner is a vile group of-islamists. - speaker's corner is a vile group of-islamists. we'rel of extremist islamists. we're not— of extremist islamists. we're not tattthg— of extremist islamists. we're not talking about good, normal british muslims share the british muslims who share the same views as us about the, you know, the benefits of the culture that they live here. culture that they live in here. and are equally and quite frankly, are equally appalled by police's appalled by the police's behaviour. it's behaviour. well, because it's particularly bad for them because happens because you know, what happens is gift to certain far is this is a gift to certain far right groups who to paint right groups who want to paint muslims inherentlyviolent. muslims as inherently violent. quite. the quite. it's giving them the ammunition for their hate . ammunition for their hate. okay, look, steve, i'd okay, well, look, steve, i'd tove— okay, well, look, steve, i'd love _come keep love you to come back and keep us love you to come back and keep as aptatet— love you to come back and keep as aptatet-tt- love you to come back and keep us updated it seems as us updated because it seems as thoagh— us updated because it seems asj thoagh—thht us updated because it seems asj th sach—thht us updated because it seems asj th such an _think us updated because it seems as th such an important think us updated because it seems as th such an important place think is such an important place that we-preserve— is such an important place that we-preserve .— is such an important place that we-preserve . but- is such an important place that we preserve . but there's we need to preserve. but there's atways— we need to preserve. but there's always something— we need to preserve. but there's always something going on. e always something going on. it's always something going on. it's a—ot— always something going on. it's a—ot-wortt-s- a microcosm of the world's greater problems, frankly. absolutely. steve, thanks so mach— absolutely. steve, thanks so che—- absolutely. steve, thanks so- much—me-thank much for joining me today. thank you much for joining me today. thank yoa .— much for joining me today. thank yoa . tvett— much for joining me today. thank yoa . wett stttt— much for joining me today. thank you . well still to— much for joining me today. thank you . well still to come on free you. well still to come on free speech— you. well still to come on free speech tattoh— you. well still to come on free speech nation as— you. well still to come on free speech nation as one of ernest herhthgway-s— speech nation as one of ernest hemingway's greatest works is stappet— hemingway's greatest works is stappet wtth— hemingway's greatest works is stappet wtth a— hemingway's greatest works is slapped with a trigger warning . slapped with a trigger warning. were— slapped with a trigger warning. we-re gothg— slapped with a trigger warning. we-re gothg to— slapped with a trigger warning. we're going to ask about the trhpttcattohs— we're going to ask about the implications for— we're going to ask about the implications for the publishing thtastry— implications for the publishing thtastry-tt— implications for the publishing industry-if such- implications for the publishing industry if such warnings industry and if such warnings are-justified.— industry and if such warnings are justified. don't go are ever justified. don't go away— are ever justified. don't go

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pat cullen . welcome back to free pat cullen. welcome back to free speech— pat cullen. welcome back to free speech tattoh— pat cullen. welcome back to free speech tattoh .— pat cullen. welcome back to free speech nation . the— pat cullen. welcome back to free speech nation . the work of the speech nation. the work of the great— speech nation. the work of the great hhth — speech nation. the work of the great 20th century american aathor— great 20th century american author ernest— great 20th century american author ernest hemingway has been gtveh— author ernest hemingway has been gtveh a— author ernest hemingway has been gtveh a trtgger— author ernest hemingway has been given a trigger warning due to concerns over his— given a trigger warning due to concerns over his language and attaches— concerns over his language and attttates .— concerns over his language and attitudes . the— concerns over his language and attitudes . the publishers attitudes. the publishers hehgah— attitudes. the publishers penguin house have reissued his oets— penguin house have reissued his oets aha— penguin house have reissued his novels and short— penguin house have reissued his novels and short stories with a caattohary— novels and short stories with a cautionary note— novels and short stories with a cautionary note .— novels and short stories with a cautionary note . for example, cautionary note. for example, his cautionary note. for example, hts taoas— cautionary note. for example, his famous debut— cautionary note. for example, his famous debut novel, the sun the— his famous debut novel, the sun ttso tttses— his famous debut novel, the sun also rises, has— his famous debut novel, the sun also rises, has a— his famous debut novel, the sun also rises, has a disclaimer now whtch— also rises, has a disclaimer now whtch says— also rises, has a disclaimer now which says publishers will not the— which says publishers will not censor the book,— which says publishers will not censor the book, but nor do they etorse— censor the book, but nor do they etorse the— censor the book, but nor do they endorse the content . these endorse the content. these warhhgs— endorse the content. these warnings have— endorse the content. these warnings have major implications for warnings have major implications tor the— warnings have major implications for the publishing— warnings have major implications for the publishing world and heyoact— for the publishing world and heyoht. aha— for the publishing world and beyond, and here to discuss them.— beyond, and here to discuss them. trh— beyond, and here to discuss them, i'm joined— beyond, and here to discuss them, i'm joined by the writer aha— them, i'm joined by the writer aha-hawt- them, i'm joined by the writer and david oldroyd and historian david oldroyd hott— and historian david oldroyd hott. havtct— and historian david oldroyd bolt. david, welcome back. \tif.t�*ttt" bolt. david, welcome back. now, i bolt. david, welcome back. now, t have— bolt. david, welcome back. now, t have to— bolt. david, welcome back. now, t have to he— bolt. david, welcome back. now, i have to be honest,— bolt. david, welcome back. now, i have to be honest, this is the latest in a long sequence of similar stories we've had warnings splashed on agatha christie, p.g. warnings splashed on agatha christie, pg. wodehouse, roald dahl christie, pg. wodehouse, roald dahl, now ernest hemingway. is anyone safe? it seems a rather odd thing that a publisher should be expected to endorse

the content of a novel after it is make believe. you know, nobody is going to expect that when you're reading chitty chitty think it's chitty bang bang, you think it's a that someone a really good idea that someone should a big cart should go around in a big cart collecting children. nobody's going expect. read going to expect. when you read charlie and the chocolate factory you it's factory that you think it's really great to punish children in ways dahl in the horrific ways that dahl describes. are works of describes. these are works of fantasy. and describes. these are works of fantasy . and you say that as fantasy. and you say that as thoagh— fantasy. and you say that as thoagh t— fantasy. and you say that as though i mean,— and you say that as though i mean, they should know this though i mean, they should know thts worthg— though i mean, they should know thts worthg th— though i mean, they should know this working in the— though i mean, they should know this working in the publishing thtastry. — industry. what do they make of stepheh— industry. what do they make of stephen-mean,- industry. what do they make of stephen mean, they stephen king? i mean, do they etorse— stephen king? i mean, do they endorse-clowns?- stephen king? i mean, do they endorse clowns? mean, endorse killer clowns? i mean, do endorse killer clowns? i mean, tho—rah— endorse killer clowns? i mean, to—rah aha- endorse killer clowns? i mean, do_run and hide. endorse killer clowns? i mean,| do_run and hide in do they have to run and hide in acaphoart— do they have to run and hide in a caphoart hy— do they have to run and hide in a cupboard by any— do they have to run and hide in a cupboard by any means? i think it's a cupboard by any means? i think he a— a cupboard by any means? i think he a reatty— a cupboard by any means? i think he a reatty ott— a cupboard by any means? i think it's a really odd concept to that. something that. when you take something like rises, which like the sun also rises, which is 1926, is set just is written in 1926, is set just after the first world war and is about hemingway and friends. about hemingway and his friends. but within but it's very clearly set within a fictional realm there a fictional realm that there should need at a centuries should be a need at a centuries removed remind people that removed to remind people that this was written a century ago. yes. they have to do yes. i mean, all they have to do is the front and see is look at the front and see that it was written a long time ago. i think. people thought ago. i think. and people thought differently is this differently in the past. is this bizarre everything bizarre idea that everything should rewritten make should be rewritten to make it relevant day and relevant to the current day and to strips away all of

to me, that strips away all of the reading fiction. when the joy of reading fiction. when you clarissa from the you read, say, clarissa from the 18th century or you read the works of trollope from the 19th century, works century, or you read the works of wodehouse we mentioned of pg. wodehouse we mentioned from century, from the early 20th century, you do because you want do so in part because you want to know what it was to live in a different age. yes, even if in the of wodehouse, these are the case of wodehouse, these are highly fanciful ideas about a very narrow selection of that age. but you don't do it because you think that you're somehow going find a reflection of going to find a reflection of the it all the current age. but it all seems-arbitrary.- the current age. but it all seems-arbitrary. i- i. iiti“ ; but it all seems arbitrary. i mean, the current age. but it all- seems.arbitrary. i mean, the seems so arbitrary. i mean, the aathors— seems so arbitrary. i mean, the aathors-they— seems so arbitrary. i mean, the authors they choose. you authors that they choose. you rhehttohet — mentioned clarissa, the richardson— richardson novel, but, you know, there-s— richardson novel, but, you know, there-slrape— richardson novel, but, you know, there'slrape and— richardson novel, but, you know, there's rape and dies in there's a rape and she dies in that.— there's a rape and she dies in that-hat— there's a rape and she dies in that.-but sorry— there's a rape and she dies in that.-but sorry to- there's a rape and she dies in that. but sorry to it that. but but sorry to spoil it hat— that. but but sorry to spoil it hat hat— that. but but sorry to spoil it but but there's— that. but but sorry to spoil it but but there's no warning on that— but but there's no warning on that as— but but there's no warning on that as yet. — but but there's no warning on that as yet. there's no warning on that as yet. there's no warning oh-those— that as yet. there's no warning on-those classics- that as yet. there's no warning on _those classics .- that as yet. there's no warning on those classics . but on some of those classics. but what— on some of those classics. but what trh— on some of those classics. but what t-rh sayhg— on some of those classics. but what i'm saying is,— on some of those classics. but what i'm saying is, is that will that— what i'm saying is, is that will that how— what i'm saying is, is that will that now become— what i'm saying is, is that will that now become the norm, do you ththte—the- think? well, i think if the pahttshhg— think? well, i think if the publishing who does seem publishing staff who does seem hat— publishing staff who does seem we've had analogous cases, for hsahcet— we've had analogous cases, for hstahce-thet— we've had analogous cases, for instance, nigel biggar's instance, with nigel biggar's hoot— instance, with nigel biggar's book colonialism , where the book on colonialism, where the ortghat— book on colonialism, where the original publisher— book on colonialism, where the original publisher bloomsbury , original publisher bloomsbury, the-weat— original publisher bloomsbury, the-went mad— original publisher bloomsbury, the went mad about it, and the staff went mad about it, and so tt— the staff went mad about it, and so tt hat— the staff went mad about it, and so tt hat to— the staff went mad about it, and so it had to be— the staff went mad about it, and so it had to be published by someone else. _ so it had to be published by someone else. it- so it had to be published by someone else. i e someone else. it seems that it's a it a publishing staff driving it rather the

rather than necessarily the executives. start to executives. so they start to extend this weird fear and also control. i don't see why it shouldn't apply to the entire canon, but it's just it seems to me a very strange thing to enter an industry which is primarily about telling stories and then to try to control the way in which those stories have already been told. you know, we're not talking about contemporary works of fiction, and that's a rather different discussion . and i different discussion. and i think one that's for think one that's good for a future program. andrew we're talking things that talking about things that have been in been published for, in some cases centuries . so what do they cases centuries. so what do they expect to achieve ? is it am expect to achieve? is it am i being expect to achieve? is it am i hethg rheah— expect to achieve? is it am i hethg hy— expect to achieve? is it am i being mean by maybe- i ii.“ ti;tti;7’ is it am i being mean by maybe suggesting that—hatthgl that maybe the people making these—reat- these decisions don't read very rhache— these decisions don't read very rhache-yoa- these decisions don't read veryj rhache-yoa-the much? because, you know, the tact— much? because, you know, the tact-hts— much? because, you know, the fact-it's almost- much? because, you know, the fact-it's almost as- much? because, you know, the fact it's almost as though fact that it's almost as though they-ve— fact that it's almost as though they-ve tast— fact that it's almost as though they've just across they've just come across herphgway— hemingway, hemingway, and they-ve— they've just realised, will they hate— they've just realised, will they make _andronicus- they've just realised, will they make andronicus what make of titus andronicus what wttt— make of titus andronicus what wttt-rhahe— make of titus andronicus what wttt-rhahe ot— make of titus andronicus what will make of ovid's will they make of ovid's metamorphosis? they'll have a heart— metamorphosis? they'll have a heart attach— metamorphosis? they'll have a heart attack . _ metamorphosis? they'll have a heart attack . �*ftt�*tiii heart attack. well, i think they probably have never those probably have never read those things. if have, things. and if they have, they've misunderstood them. it's an thing. an extraordinarily odd thing. and we think it's 60 years, 61 years, in fact, since the trial of dh. lawrence's book, lady

chatterley's lover, which was only published despite being written in 1928, it was only published in an unexpurgated form . in 1960, there was a trial form. in 1960, there was a trial . it was prosecuted. the publisher was prosecuted under the obscenity act of 1959, and then the judge , after taking then the judge, after taking evidence from people like ei then the judge, after taking evidence from people like e! m forster and many other literary luminaries, luminaries of the time said there is a clear work of artistic merit here that was the trial during which famously the trial during which famously the prosecuting counsel said, is this a book that you would wish your wife or your servants to read? we knew kind of read? so we knew what kind of viewpoints we were dealing with at yes. and so i'd at that time. yes. and so i'd have past have thought that for the past 60 we've had it as 60 years we've had it as a fairly well established fact that dislike the that even if you dislike the content of something, it should be to be published. be allowed to be published. and if it, you don't if you don't like it, you don't have read it retrospectively have to read it retrospectively to go back and to be trying to, as the case of ian fleming's as in the case of ian fleming's estate, the writer james bond estate, the writer of james bond themselves changing the themselves to be changing the language. i think is very language. yes. i think is a very odd that is odd thing because that is a distortion . if you want if you distortion. if you want if you think it's really necessary, if

you think your readers so you think your readers are so stupid that they can't understand books published understand that books published a time express a long time ago express different of view in different points of view in different points of view in different you different languages, if you really it's necessary , really think it's necessary, then fine, a little warning then fine, put a little warning on but to start rewriting, on it. but to start rewriting, as some authors estates are doing, think is a quite doing, i think is a really quite dangerous trend. i mean, it's thteresthg— dangerous trend. i mean, it's interesting the— i; iti“ti i mean, it's interesting the rewriting thing. i; iti“ti i mean, it's interestitherez rewriting thing. i; iti“ti i mean, it's interesti there wasiriting thing. i; iti“ti i mean, it's interesti there wasiri'backlash. i; iti“ti i mean, it's intere they ere wasiri'backlash. i; iti“ti i mean, it's intere they were asiri'backlash. i; iti“ti i mean, it's interethey were startingklash. i; iti“ti i mean, it's interethey were starting to sh. when they were starting to rewrtthg — when they were starting to rewriting the rewriting pg wodehouse. yes. the very— rewriting pg wodehouse. yes. the very-these— rewriting pg wodehouse. yes. the very-these are— rewriting pg wodehouse. yes. the very these are these very idea that these are these sort— very idea that these are these sort ot— very idea that these are these sort ot zo— very idea that these are these sort ot 20 year— very idea that these are these sort of 20 year old activists pretehtthg— sort of 20 year old activists pretehtthg to— sort of 20 year old activists pretending to publishers can pretending to be publishers can wrtte—woatt- pretending to be publishers can write _would-is| write better than would have is httartoas— write better than would have is hilarious-begin— write better than would have is hilarious begin with. but but hilarious to begin with. but but then— hilarious to begin with. but but then-a— hilarious to begin with. but but then-a difference- then there's a difference hetweeh— then there's a difference between putting between that and maybe putting a warhhg— between that and maybe putting a warhhevehg-— between that and maybe putting a warning even warning warning on. but even the warning troahtes— warning on. but even the warning troubles-because— troubles me because the trhpttcate— troubles me because the implicate person behind it is that— implicate person behind it is that these— implicate person behind it is that these books are sort of potehttatty— that these books are sort of potentially dangerous and that they— potentially dangerous and that they have— potentially dangerous and that they have to— potentially dangerous and that they have to kind of paternalistically after the paternalistically look after the paths— paternalistically look after the pahttc-that-s— paternalistically look after the public, that's their job. public, that that's their job. tt-s— public, that that's their job. tt-s hot— public, that that's their job. it's not their— public, that that's their job. it's not their job. well, that's that— it's not their job. well, that's that th— it's not their job. well, that's that in itself— it's not their job. well, that's that in itself is,— it's not their job. well, that's that in itself is, i— it's not their job. well, that's that in itself is, i think, a rather— that in itself is, i think, a rather ott— that in itself is, i think, a rather old fashioned and rather old fashioned idea. and it's rather old fashioned idea. and hts—they- rather old fashioned idea. and it's—they should. rather old fashioned idea. andi it's—they should be it's curious that they should be existing together. now. wonder existing together. now. i wonder if would, instance, re if they would, for instance, re or reinstatement or support the reinstatement of the chamberlain the role of the lord chamberlain who 1737 and 1968 had who between 1737 and 1968 had the power to censor any play on the power to censor any play on the british stage for content in case somehow offended someone

case it somehow offended someone or or or was obscene or was blasphemous. i mean, does blasphemous. i mean, it does seem moving seem that we are moving backwards in our ability to appreciate a variety of artistic expression . it seems that we're expression. it seems that we're moving towards , again, a time moving towards, again, a time when people can control the thoughts of others because they think it's good for them and who is who is saying that these people have the right? why not you your viewers? yes. you or i or your viewers? yes. how is it that these people, this self selecting guardianship , they , have decided that only they are pure and are morally pure and intellectually strong enough to decide who reads what? and isn't it decide who reads what? and isn't tt taschathg— decide who reads what? and isn't it fascinating because— tititi. titi i 7 and isn't it fascinating because they woatt— it fascinating because they would consider— it fascinating because they would consider themselves to be progresstvese— would consider themselves to be progressives? they're progressives? yes, but they're hehavthg — progressives? yes, but they're behaving like _ progressives? yes, but they're behaving like the star chamber or—see- behaving like the star chamber. or—seerh-the or something. they seem like the old or something. they seem like the ott—peart- old fashioned stuffy pearl ctatchers— old fashioned stuffy pearl clutchers yesteryear, clutchers from yesteryear, the ones_ lawrence| ones who took d.h. lawrence to that— ones who took dh. lawrence to that-t— ones who took dh. lawrence to trtat-t-say- ones who took d.h. lawrence to trtat-t-say tt- ones who took dh. lawrence to trial.-i-say it hasi trial. well, i would say it has historical references and resonances with other things like, say, the inquisition , like, say, the inquisition, which people remember the spanish inquisition because of monty in fact, it monty python. but in fact, it went on for hundreds of years and today there is a list and still today there is a list of books that the vatican has banned. it's proscribed that they're not being burnt anymore, but and we've seen in many

regimes throughout history that once ideas and control, once there an idea that some there is an idea that some things dangerous as ideas things are so dangerous as ideas that they can no longer be read , you to go down a very , you start to go down a very difficult about free difficult path about free expression itself and what concerns here they're concerns me here is that they're beginning they're beginning with language. they're beginning with language. they're beginning those particular beginning with those particular touch of today's touch points of today's language, race and class . and i language, race and class. and i just don't think that there's a possibility of it ending there. and this another and i think this is another instance slippery instance where the slippery slope is not a logical fallacy . slope is not a logical fallacy. it's a very clear indication. and seen this in so many and we've seen this in so many instances recently, once control is exerted over language, which is exerted over language, which is a principle method we have of expressing our ideas, those ideas become ideas themselves become circumscribed and indeed proscribed. david alright, paul, thanks ever so much joining thanks ever so much for joining me. greatly it. me. greatly appreciate it. okay.— me. greatly appreciate it. okay. that-s— me. greatly appreciate it. okay, that's the— me. greatly appreciate it. okay, that's the end of our first hour on free speech nation. but there is much more to come— nation. but there is much more to come, including— tr but there is much more to come, including discussion of the tvhtrash— to come, including discussion of the windrush generation , the the windrush generation, the trtsh — the windrush generation, the trtsh hate— the windrush generation, the irish hate crime— the windrush generation, the irish hate crime bill and more gaesttohs— irish hate crime bill and more questions from _ irish hate crime bill and more questions from our brilliant statio— questions from our brilliant studio audience—

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putin's leadership has exposed fresh cracks that may take months to play out. but they could aid ukraine. s counter—offensive against russia . to the extent this presents a ttstracttoh— . to the extent this presents a ttstracttoh .— . to the extent this presents a distraction , a— . to the extent this presents a distraction , a loss— to the extent this presents a distraction , a loss of focus for distraction, a loss of focus for the— distraction, a loss of focus for the russians,— distraction, a loss of focus for the russians, that— distraction, a loss of focus for the russians, that may help the htrahtahs— the russians, that may help the ukrainians on— the russians, that may help the ukrainians on the— the russians, that may help the ukrainians on the battlefield . ukrainians on the battlefield. tvactty— ukrainians on the battlefield. exactly where _ ukrainians on the battlefield. exactly where this goes , we exactly where this goes, we ooh-t— exactly where this goes, we toh-t thow. — exactly where this goes, we don't know. but— exactly where this goes, we don't know. but what we do know is don't know. but what we do know ts that— don't know. but what we do know ts that eve— don't know. but what we do know is that we've seen— don't know. but what we do know is that we've seen real cracks eerge— is that we've seen real cracks eerge .— is that we've seen real cracks ege . agath— is that we've seen real cracks ege . agata. a— is that we've seen real cracks emerge . again, a direct emerge. again, a direct chattehge— emerge. again, a direct challenge to- emerge. again, a direct challenge to putin's authority . challenge to putin's authority. a re— challenge to putin's authority. a to year— challenge to putin's authority. a to year ott— challenge to putin's authority. a 15 year old girl— challenge to putin's authority. a 15 year old girl has- challenge to putin's authority. a 15 year old girl has died after being pulled from the sea at cleethorpes beach in lincolnshire. a 15 year old boy who was also airlifted to hospital has since been discharged . aged separately. discharged. aged separately. a five year old boy has died after falling from a harbour wall in the cornish town of padstow. police are treating both incidents as accidental. the duchess of york is recuperating following a successful operation to treat breast cancer. sarah ferguson was recently diagnosed with an early form of cancer following a routine mammogram

having been symptom free. she was released from hospital earlier and is recovering with her family in windsor and one of the longest farewell tours in history will finally come to a close tonight in the uk. at least seven elton john will headune least seven elton john will headline the pyramid stage at glastonbury later. it will be the first time he's played the festival and his final uk gig and almost the end of a five year long farewell tour. he's just got zurich to go after this. now the performance will feature as yet unannounced surprise guests and some superfans have been queuing up since 4 am. for a front row spaces turned out three hours after these guys. i was here at 7 am. after these guys. i was here at t t— after these guys. i was here at t t was— after these guys. i was here at 7 am. i was third— after these guys. i was here at 7 am. i was third in- after these guys. i was here at 7 am. i was third in the- ;.i i was here at 7 am. i was third in the queue. 7 a.m. i was third in the queue. tht— 7 a.m. i was third in the queue. the yoa— 7 am. i was third in the queue. the yoa car-t— 7 a.m. i was third in the queue. and you can't miss— 7 am. i was third in the queue. and you can't miss elton john tast— and you can't miss elton john tast eer— and you can't miss elton john tast ht— and you can't miss elton john last ever uk gig.— and you can't miss elton john last ever uk gig. bastien. bri, what— last ever uk gig. bastien. bri, what a— last ever uk gig. bastien. bri, what a hay. — last ever uk gig. bastien. bri, what a day. look,- last ever uk gig. bastien. bri, what a day. look, i- last ever uk gig. bastien. bri, what a day. “ti what a day. look, i kind of kept the tickets initially, but just for like elton , so i figured for like elton, so i figured like, this is such a once in a lifetime chance that i can sleep any other day. but like, front

row, glastonbury, last uk concert, that's probably going to be like a once in a lifetime chance. to be like a once in a lifetime chance . and it has been almost chance. and it has been almost perfect glastonbury weather, hasn't it? but the perfect glastonbury weather, hasn't it ? but the met office is hasn't it? but the met office is warhhg— hasn't it? but the met office is warhthg peopte— hasn't it? but the met office is warning people to— e 7 but the met office is warning people to enjoy the heat respohsthty— warning people to enjoy the heat respohsthty .— warning people to enjoy the heat responsibly . it's— warning people to enjoy the heat responsibly . it's after the responsibly. it's after the forecaster— responsibly. it's after the forecaster recorded the joint hottest— forecaster recorded the joint hottest temperature of the year eartter. — hottest temperature of the year eartter. sn— hottest temperature of the year earlier, 32.2 degrees in cohthgshy— earlier, 32.2 degrees in coningsby in- earlier, 32.2 degrees in coningsby in lincolnshire, egaattthg— coningsby in lincolnshire, equalling the— coningsby in lincolnshire, equalling the figure in surrey eartter— equalling the figure in surrey earlier this— equalling the figure in surrey earlier this month. a thunderstorm and heavy showers, thoagh.— thunderstorm and heavy showers, thoagh. are— thunderstorm and heavy showers, though, are expected for some parts— though, are expected for some parts ot— though, are expected for some parts ot the— though, are expected for some parts of the country later . tv parts of the country later. tv ohthe— parts of the country later. tv ohthe oh— parts of the country later. tv online on dab— parts of the country later. tv online on dab and tune in radio. thts— online on dab and tune in radio. thts ts— online on dab and tune in radio. thts ts ch— online on dab and tune in radio. this is gb news.— online on dab and tune in radio. this is gb news. now it's back to therew— this is gb news. now it's back to andrew and— this is gb news. now it's back to andrew and free speech nation -- welcome back to free speech tattoh. — welcome back to free speech nation. with— welcome back to free speech nation. with me— welcome back to free speech nation. ' “ti welcome back to free speech nation. i t nation. with me andrew doyle. let's get some more questions from our lovely studio audience. our first question from ivan.

our first question is from ivan. where's ivan? hi. hi good men at work where's ivan? hi. hi good men at wort stghs— where's ivan? hi. hi good men at work signs cause— where's ivan? hi. hi good men at work signs cause offence- �*ftt�*“t:iiti; 7 good men at work signs cause offence . cite/stat work signs cause offence. okay, so thts— work signs cause offence. okay, so thts ts— work signs cause offence. okay, so this is south—west water. they've been criticised after ordering a review following a complaint about this men at work sign. and apparently it's a reminder of the constant undervaluing of women in de—man. i'm going to come to you as a as one of the two women on the panel one of the two women on the panel. you you would are you offended by the sign men at work? do you know what? i'm confused because it says- confused because it says to me that— confused because it says to me that thts— confused because it says to me that this director— confused because it says to me that this director who spotted it that this director who spotted tt toesh-t— that this director who spotted it doesn't have— that this director who spotted it doesn't have access to a hack— it doesn't have access to a black sharpie— it doesn't have access to a black sharpie ,_ it doesn't have access to a black sharpie , because if he black sharpie, because if he reatty— black sharpie, because if he reatty tett— black sharpie, because if he really felt that— black sharpie, because if he really felt that strongly about it, really felt that strongly about tt. tast— really felt that strongly about t. tast rah— really felt that strongly about t. tast ap— really felt that strongly about it, just run up to— really felt that strongly about it, just run up to the sign with atett— it, just run up to the sign with atett ttp— it, just run up to the sign with a tett ttp aha— it, just run up to the sign with a felt tip and just— it, just run up to the sign with a felt tip and just doodle on it aha— a felt tip and just doodle on it and pat— a felt tip and just doodle on it are pat the— a felt tip and just doodle on it and put and women. yeah but washt— and put and women. yeah but washt tt— and put and women. yeah but washt tt tast— and put and women. yeah but wasn't it just men— and put and women. yeah but wasn't it just men though . well, wasn't it just men though. well, i wasn't it just men though. well, t ooh-t— wasn't it just men though. well, t toh-t chow.— wasn't it just men though. well, i don't know. wasn't there right but i don't know. wasn't there right hat t— i don't know. wasn't there right hat t that— i don't know. wasn't there right but i think they've got more trhportaht— but i think they've got more important things to do than worry— important things to do than worry-stgh- important things to do than worry-stgh .- important things to do than worry sign . like important things to do than- worry-sign . like we're worry about the sign. like we're tarhphg— worry about the sign. like we're tarhpthg-sewage— worry about the sign. like we're dumping sewage into the sea. dumping raw sewage into the sea. i if dumping raw sewage into the sea. t-tt thts— dumping raw sewage into the sea. t-tt thts ts— dumping raw sewage into the sea. i-if this is the— dumping raw sewage into the sea. i-if this is the water,- i think if this is the water, copaes— i think if this is the water, companies could we fix that? thts— companies could we fix that? thts ts— companies could we fix that? thts ts ah— companies could we fix that? this is an interesting one, that men are disproportionately represehtet— men are disproportionately

represented in— men are disproportionately represented in manual labour wort.— represented in manual labour werh-theye - represented in manual labour work,-they? .so. represented in manual labour. work,-they? .so more work, aren't they? and so more often than not, it is just men at work. yeah why aren't feminists more to sort of feminists doing more to sort of make that more 50, 50? well, break the sewer ceiling . yeah, break the sewer ceiling. yeah, yeah. get more women- i “t; yeah, yeah. get more women into the sewers and on the— yeah. get more women into the sewers and on the oil rigs . i sewers and on the oil rigs. i ooh-t— sewers and on the oil rigs. i toh-t thow. — sewers and on the oil rigs. i don't know. for— sewers and on the oil rigs. i don't know. for some reason the terhhtsts— don't know. for some reason the terhhtsts tast— don't know. for some reason the feminists just seem— don't know. for some reason the feminists just seem to want the race— feminists just seem to want the hce-ahoat— feminists just seem to want the nice - about being - feminists just seem to want the nice -about being a - feminists just seem to want the nice about being a man. i nice stuff about being a man. i cat— nice stuff about being a man. i cat t— nice stuff about being a man. i cat t car-t— nice stuff about being a man. i can't. i can't work— nice stuff about being a man. i can't. i can't work it out. i rheah.|ththt— can't. i can't work it out. i mean,ithink the- can't. i can't work it out. i mean, think the most offensive mean, i think the most offensive ththg— mean, i think the most offensive ththg ahoat— mean, i think the most offensive thing about this— mean, i think the most offensive thing about this sign is for some-ot— thing about this sign is for some .of public- thing about this sign is for some of public sector some sort of public sector gaahgo— some sort of public sector quango organisation, whatever. the— quango organisation, whatever. the-thea— quango organisation, whatever. the-then at— quango organisation, whatever. and-men at work,- quango organisation, whatever. and men at work, i'm and it says men at work, i'm wttthg— and it says men at work, i'm wttthg to— and it says men at work, i'm willing to bet— and it says men at work, i'm willing to bet they weren't tohg— willing to bet they weren't tohg-they- willing to bet they weren't doing they were doing any work. they were sttthg— doing any work. they were sitting drinking some the sitting drinking some tea at the hash— sitting drinking some tea at the task. — sitting drinking some tea at the flask . there's— sitting drinking some tea at the flask . there's going- sitting drinking some tea at the flask . t;ti “; i flask. there's going to be four of them smoking one them of them smoking and one of them will doing something will actually be doing something with four dudes going, he's doing my goodness doing that wrong. oh my goodness me. doing that wrong. oh my goodness _tol me. okay, right. we're going to get another— me. okay, right. we're going to get another question now. this weeh—- one is from catherine on. hi, catherhe.— one is from catherine on. hi, catherine. hi— one is from catherine on. hi, catherine. hi _ one is from catherine on. hi, catherine. hi i catherine. hi should miss england bring back the swimwear parade ? oh, okay. so this is parade? oh, okay. so this is another— parade? oh, okay. so this is another potentially- i7 o“ so this is another potentially interesting one another potentially interesting regartthg— another potentially interesting one regarding feminism. diane, i'm one regarding feminism. diane, t-rh gothg— one regarding feminism. diane, t-rh gothg to— one regarding feminism. diane, i'm going to come to you. this the— i'm going to come to you. this was the swimwear— i'm going to come to you. this was the swimwear parade miss was the swimwear parade for miss thghhtt— was the swimwear parade for miss thgtahtlheaaty— was the swimwear parade for miss england, beauty pageant. england, the beauty pageant. hastcatty—tt- england, the beauty pageant. basically,_it in. basically, they dropped it in zoos.— basically, they dropped it in zoos-theye-

basically, they dropped it in 2009, they're thinking 2009, and now they're thinking of 2009, and now they're thinking ot—hact. — 2009, and now they're thinking ot—hact. ts- 2009, and now they're thinking ot—hact. ts tt- of bringing it back. is it sevtst— of bringing it back. is it sexist, diane- of bringing it back. is it sexist, diane ? \tiit of bringing it back. is it sexist, diane ? \t0 of bringing it back. is it- sexist, diane ? no , no, not in of bringing it back. is it— sexist, diane ? no , no, not in my sexist, diane? no, no, not in my opinion , because women , the opinion, because women, the women who want to do this , it's women who want to do this, it's actually the contestants who want to bring back the swimwear round because there's lots of different rounds involved in miss you just miss england. you don't just turn and sort of go, am i the turn up and sort of go, am i the prettiest brainless bimbo here? no, actually won by no, it's actually been won by doctor . it's currently doctor before. it's currently missing. and i think it's held by an engineering aerospace student. so it's more like the krypton factor. oh, yeah, tethttety— krypton factor. oh, yeah, tethttety .— krypton factor. oh, yeah, definitely . you- iai“ i oh, yeah, definitely . you need very definitely. you need very intellectual— definitely. you need very intellectual ,_ definitely. you need very intellectual , very, very kind. intellectual, very, very kind. there-s— intellectual, very, very kind. there's even— intellectual, very, very kind. there's even a— intellectual, very, very kind. there's even a sports round, therew— there's even a sports round, thtrew — there's even a sports round, thtrew t— there's even a sports round, andrew. i mean,- there's even a sports round, andrew. i mean, i- there's even a sports round, andrew. “ andrew. i mean, i think. but isn't it right. so the argument woatt— isn't it right. so the argument woatt he.— isn't it right. so the argument would be, though,— e e 3;“ so the argument would be, though, that this is tegratthg— would be, though, that this is tegrathg to— would be, though, that this is degrading to women because yoe— degrading to women because yoareworheh— l you're objectifying women. roare— you're objectifying women.l you're—should you're objectifying women.- you're_should be you're saying that we should be vatathg— you're saying that we should be vatathg-tatghg— you're saying that we should be valuing judging people to valuing and judging people to accorthg— valuing and judging people to according their— valuing and judging people to according their looks. �*ftt�*ti according their looks. we always vatae— according their looks. we always value according value and judge people according to . that happens to to their looks. that happens to you matter whether are you no matter whether you are ugly, whether are pretty, ugly, whether you are pretty, you going to judged. the you are going to be judged. the second eyes on you second anybody lays eyes on you and you know what? those women were get into the

were hard to get into the position they are. it doesn't just happen. they don't just magically turn up with abs and a beautiful walk and they have amazing hair and makeup. it takes hours of training, calorie counting diets, gyms. so you have no sympathy for the view of activists that say this is basically pulling women down. you know what? i have spoken a lot to a lot of grid girls because my husband loves motorsport and now i've got into it and a lot of grid girls were removed from the grid. yes, i remember this. oh, god, they were upset. and they said, why income? they me, my income? they said to me, my income? they said to me, my income has just been trashed by people who don't even come to motorsport. yeah. by people who never watch. and it's the same thing. people who don't watch miss world are saying, oh, you can't these people parading can't have these people parading around bikinis. shut up. around in bikinis. oh, shut up. do know it is? no. do you know what it is? no. i get it. i get it. julie bindel and these activists who want to have the bikini round, they actually have a lot in common. they just want women to have the

chance to be regarded in a meritocratic sense and not as the shadow of a man. they want a woman to be able to be assessed out for who she is and to be an individual and that takes many different forms and that is what feminism is about. but the problem is, is that these two feminists are clashing with the best way of trying to realise what is the best way to be yourself. is there a class issue heret— yourself. is there a class issue heree hecaase— yourself. is there a class issue here? because i— is there a class issue here? because i remember when you here? because i remember when yoa—the— here? because i remember when yoa—the-gtrtsl you mentioned the grid girls, i rerherhherltv— you mentioned the grid girls, i remember tv interview where remember a tv interview where there— remember a tv interview where there-a— remember a tv interview where there-a very— remember a tv interview where there-a very posh- remember a tv interview where there a very posh feminist there was a very posh feminist herathg— there was a very posh feminist herathg a— there was a very posh feminist berating a working class grid gtrt—toh-t- berating a working class grid girl—don't know. girl saying you don't know what-s— girl saying you don't know what-smor— girl saying you don't know what's-for you. - girl saying you don't know what's for you. yeah, and what's best for you. yeah, and it what's best for you. yeah, and n—a- what's best for you. yeah, and n—a bit- it did strike. i was a bit uncomfortable, although i sort of—the— uncomfortable, although i sort of_the argument.i of understood the argument. i was uncomfortable with the way she was uncomfortable with the way shs was— was uncomfortable with the way she was-this- was uncomfortable with the way she was-this, this,- she was treating this, this, this— she was treating this, this, this-woman. - this other woman. yeah, absolutely. _ this other woman. yeah,- absolutely. _course, that this other woman. yeah,- absolwoman-course, that this other woman. yeah,- absolwoman wouldlcourse, that this other woman. yeah,- absolwoman would havese, that this other woman. yeah,- absolwoman would have hadfat posh woman would have had far more , liz, in her more opportunity, liz, in her life time, life to have had the time, resources get an education resources to get an education and whatever career and move into whatever career she whereas if you're she wanted. whereas if you're working class you don't working class as i am, you don't really have much option but to get clothes off at darts get your clothes off at a darts match. yeah that's why you would. that's excuse anyway would. that's your excuse anyway . - rve— would. that's your excuse anyway . - we got— would. that's your excuse anyway . -|-vsgssss— would. that's your excuse anyway

. i've got to disagree . yeah, i've got to disagree with diane like. like most women, she doesn't really know what she wants. she's. she's talking . she. it's okay. talking crazy. she. it's okay. before they come to blows, let's move on to another— before they come to blows, let's move on to another question. this— move on to another question. this she— move on to another question. this hs— move on to another question. this one is from _ move on to another question. this one is from sandra . where's this one is from sandra. where's sshhhs— this one is from sandra. where's sandra?.sandra_ this one is from sandra. where's sandra?.sandra .— this one is from sandra. where's sandra.7 sandra . hi. 3th sandra.7 hi, sandra. hi. my question— sandra.7 hi, sandra. hi. my question hs— sandra.7 hi, sandra. hi. my qusshsh hs .— sandra.7 hi, sandra. hi. my question is , i've- sandra.7 hi, sandra. hi. my question is , i've forgotten now question is, i've forgotten now . the last time sandra . oh, . the last time sandra. oh, sandra, it it will come- c : oh, sandra, it it will come to you if you— sandra, it it will come to you h you just— sandra, it it will come to you if you just think— sandra, it it will come to you if you just think about it. ch?" if you just think about it. can thh— if you just think about it. can hshh peopte— if you just think about it. can hshh pssph he— if you just think about it. can lgbt people be compared to people to slaves seeking freedom? yeah. okay. so this story— freedom? yeah. okay. so this story h— freedom? yeah. okay. so this show h was— 3“ yeah. okay. so this story i was astonished by i aah-a— story i was astonished by i aah-a hhaw— story i was astonished by i don't know if— story i was astonished by i don't know if you've read this show.— don't know if you've read this show. so— don't know if you've read this show. so ahs— don't know if you've read this story. so this was— don't know if you've read this story. so this was this american hsah— story. so this was this american asah estate— story. so this was this american real estate broker— story. so this was this american real estate broker called bob wscaahh— real estate broker called bob mccranie and— real estate broker called bob mccranie and he— real estate broker called bob mccranie and he put out this advert,— mccranie and he put out this aawsh, vou— mccranie and he put out this advert, you know— mccranie and he put out this advert, you know how basically thev're— advert, you know how basically they're sayhg— advert, you know how basically they're saying that lgbtq rights are under threat— they're saying that lgbtq rights are under threat in republican states— are under threat in republican states aha— are under threat in republican states and he's— are under threat in republican states and he's this realtor and hes— states and he's this realtor and hes hasheahw— states and he's this realtor and he's basically saying to gay peopte,— he's basically saying to gay heehhe, weeh— he's basically saying to gay heehhe, hash .— he's basically saying to gay people, look , if— he's basically saying to gay people, look , if i can get you people, look, if i can get you out:— people, look, if i can get you aah h— people, look, if i can get you aah h ah— people, look, if i can get you aah h .— people, look, if i can get you out, i can i can— people, look, if i can get you out, i can i can get you to a democrat— out, i can i can get you to a democrat state. _ out, i can i can get you to a democrat state. but he called it he sawed— democrat state. but he called it he eahea h— democrat state. but he called it he eahea h a— democrat state. but he called it he called it a rainbow underground- he called it a rainbow underground railroad. now the

underground— underground railroad. now the underground railroad, of course, was underground railroad, of course, ahoat— underground railroad, of course, ahewa hea— underground railroad, of course, was about not helping slaves to eseaeh— was about not helping slaves to eseaeh .— was about not helping slaves to eseaeh . h— was about not helping slaves to eseaeh . h heah— was about not helping slaves to escape . i mean, it's so escape. i mean, it's so hahwehhaae- escape. i mean, it's so inappropriate , isn't it? i mean, inappropriate, isn't it? i mean, heweha— inappropriate, isn't it? i mean, beyond inappropriate is slightly hhhhhshg— beyond inappropriate is slightly minimising the— beyond inappropriate is slightly minimising the plight that seawe— minimising the plight that people went— minimising the plight that people went through under shawew. — people went through under slavery- hs— people went through under slavery. . jazz?" " c slavery. it's yeah, i mean, it's disgusting. i mean, for a start, the underground railroad was not conducted on floats in sparkly hotpants. it wasn't so yeah, there's a few differences. and also, i mean there are i mean, they call it restrictions on lgbtq rights in certain states . lgbtq rights in certain states. if you look more closely, it's like , oh, you're not allowed to like, oh, you're not allowed to have in school libraries, you know, laws like that. and it's like, well, that's actually a good idea. i think most people , good idea. i think most people, most gay people would would agree that. and agree with that. and i mean, these— agree with that. and i mean, ahese heape— agree with that. and i mean, these people,-people- aghzwz and i mean, these people, people who did these people, the people who did these people, the people who did she—heap the underground railroad to help the underground railroad to help the—werehh- the slaves, they weren't ehehhg— the slaves, they weren't offering them - the slaves, they weren't offering them better prices on their— offering them better prices on their-vea— offering them better prices on their-you know,- offering them better prices on their you know, like their house. you know, like it's so inappropriate.— their house. you know, like it's so inappropriate. so so inappropriate. it's so inappropriate. bizarre . inappropriate. it's bizarre. hs— inappropriate. it's bizarre. has certainly— inappropriate. it's bizarre. it's certainly suggests- inappropriate. it's bizarre. it's certainly suggests that this gentleman may have some kind martyr complex . right. kind of martyr complex. right. or a hero complex where or like a hero complex where he's like, look at me . i am like he's like, look at me. i am like moses leading the gay people to

freedom. but isn't the point that that that black people dunng that that that black people during the slave trade, they were oppressed gay people living in a present day america aren't oppressed. that's in a present day america aren't oppressed . that's the oppressed. that's the fundamental- : that's the fundamental difference. no oppressed. that's the— fundamental difference. no and what— fundamental difference. no and what hs— fundamental difference. no and what is interesting— fundamental difference. no and what is interesting is— fundamental difference. no and what is interesting is exactly what is interesting is exactly what leo pointed out. actually, it's what it is, is it's coming down to this encroaching ideology of sort of the transgender, the 72 genders, the identify as a cat, all of that kind of coming into sort of schools and young children. and that's what they're pushing against. but they're not pushing against. but they're not pushing against being gay. and there is there's a very big difference there. yeah. but also wanting to be there. yeah. but also wanting to he a— there. yeah. but also wanting to he a wash— there. yeah. but also wanting to be a victim, sort— there. yeah. but also wanting to be a victim, sort of— sash; yeah. but also wanting to be a victim, sort of identifying wewseh— be a victim, sort of identifying wewseh hae— be a victim, sort of identifying yourself into a— be a victim, sort of identifying yourself into a victim status, you— yourself into a victim status, you knew— yourself into a victim status, you knew, sayhg— yourself into a victim status, you know, saying that my experiences— you know, saying that my experiences as— you know, saying that my experiences as bad as slavery aha— experiences as bad as slavery aha-h— experiences as bad as slavery aha-h hash- experiences as bad as slavery and-it just isn't. l and of course it just isn't. aha— and of course it just isn't. aha ahs— and of course it just isn't. and this something- and of course it just isn't. and this something spills over into horrific incidents. into into horrific incidents. when the a transgender when we saw the a transgender woman or a trans man went into a school and shot a christian school and shot a christian school and shot lots of pupils because of this sense of grievance and because it's

drilled in drilled into people . drilled in drilled into people. oh, you're a you're a victim. everything's literal. genocide against you . yeah. the hyperbole against you. yeah. the hyperbole is insane, isn't it? yeah. these people are real. and you can see this grievance narrative in any sort of in any sort of cult, any ideology that then commits atrocities. mean , islamism, atrocities. i mean, islamism, for okay. well we're for example. okay. well we're going to move on to another question this one is from question now. this one is from wherea— question now. this one is from andrea. where's— : this one is from andrea. where's andrea? yes, wherea— andrea. where's andrea? yes, ahaaea seaw— andrea. where's andrea? yes, ahaaea saw .— andrea. where's andrea? yes, andrea, sorry . that's bad light andrea, sorry. that's bad light hesewe— andrea, sorry. that's bad light deserve marketing award . deserve marketing award. see, i have— deserve marketing award. see, i have had— deserve marketing award. see, i have has high— deserve marketing award. see, i love bud light because they they did the worst advertising campaign ever since gillette. do you remember when gillette did do you remember when gillette aha ah— do you remember when gillette he an advert— do you remember when gillette did an advert basically berating its customers— did an advert basically berating its customers for— did an advert basically berating its customers for being male and they— its customers for being male and they host— its customers for being male and they lost millions— its customers for being male and they lost millions ?_ its customers for being male and they lost millions ? then bud they lost millions? then bud light— they lost millions? then bud light aha— they lost millions? then bud light did this. _ they lost millions? then bud light did this. dylan mulvaney advers— light did this. dylan mulvaney advert, which— light did this. dylan mulvaney advert, which basically berated its customers— advert, which basically berated its customers and— advert, which basically berated its customers and sort of really hswhea— its customers and sort of really insulted women— its customers and sort of really insulted women by having a man wahehe— insulted women by having a man prancing arsena— insulted women by having a man prancing around who thinks he's a woman . so now— prancing around who thinks he's a woman . so now we've got the a woman. so now we've got the hue— a woman. so now we've got the had high— a woman. so now we've got the had high whe— a woman. so now we've got the bud light who lost— a woman. so now we've got the bud light who lost 20 billion, by the— bud light who lost 20 billion, by he way— bud light who lost 20 billion, by he waw .— bud light who lost 20 billion, by the way . yeah. so bud light, by the way. yeah. so bud light, hecaase— by the way. yeah. so bud light, heeawse ef— by the way. yeah. so bud light, because of this— by the way. yeah. so bud light, because of this terrible campaign,— because of this terrible campaign, they lost $20 billion. they-we— campaign, they lost $20 billion. whey-we gweh— campaign, they lost $20 billion. they've given themselves an award—

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hsaehhg— have taken over moscow. you're hsaehhg w— have taken over moscow. you're hsaehhg as eh— have taken over moscow. you're listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. welcome back to free speech nation. this week marks the 75th ahhwesaw— nation. this week marks the 75th ahhwesaw eh— nation. this week marks the 75th anniversary of the— \p with" this week marks the 75th anniversary of the arrival at hwhww— anniversary of the arrival at tilbury docks— anniversary of the arrival at tilbury docks of— anniversary of the arrival at tilbury docks of the empire. whawwsh— tilbury docks of the empire. windrush ship,— tilbury docks of the empire. windrush ship, which brought hahaweas— windrush ship, which brought hwhaweas eh— windrush ship, which brought hundreds of people from jamaica to hundreds of people from jamaica he he— hundreds of people from jamaica he he ww— hundreds of people from jamaica he he uw .— hundreds of people from jamaica he he uw . hhew— hundreds of people from jamaica to the uk . they and many other to the uk. they and many other cahhheah— to the uk. they and many other caribbean immigrants who arrived in caribbean immigrants who arrived h the— caribbean immigrants who arrived in he wh— caribbean immigrants who arrived h whe uw ewe— caribbean immigrants who arrived in the uk over the— caribbean immigrants who arrived in the uk over the following wears— in the uk over the following years heeahe— in the uk over the following years became-as- in the uk over the following years became as the years became known as the whawsh— years became known as the windrush generation and have ashe— windrush generation and have wane-ae— windrush generation and have aehe-ae shape— windrush generation and have done to shape modern done much to shape modern man.— britain. despite facing racism aha— britain. despite facing racism and intolerance— britain. despite facing racism and intolerance at times. joining— and intolerance at times. joining he— and intolerance at times. joining me we— and intolerance at times. joining me to discuss the huge shghhheahee— joining me to discuss the huge significance of— joining me to discuss the huge significance of the windrush awwaws— significance of the windrush awwaws ,— significance of the windrush arrivals , i'm— significance of the windrush arrivals , i'm-by- arrivals, i'm joined by the soda— arrivals, i'm joined by the social-analyst- arrivals, i'm joined by the social analyst and arrivals, i'm joined by the- social-analyst and author social policy analyst and author of a— social policy analyst and author of a ew— social policy analyst and author of a new book,— social policy analyst and author of a new book, beyond grievance what— of a new book, beyond grievance what-weft— of a new book, beyond grievance what-left gets— of a new book, beyond grievance what left gets wrong about what the left gets wrong about eahhhe— what the left gets wrong about ethnic minorities.— what the left gets wrong about ethnic minorities. raqib san, ahahhs— ethnic minorities. raqib san, ahahhs hea— ethnic minorities. raqib san, thanks for joining me. ethnic minorities. raqib san, thanks forjoining me. raqib i want— thanks forjoining me. raqib i wahw we— thanks forjoining me. raqib i wahw we ask— thanks forjoining me. raqib i want to ask you— thanks forjoining me. raqib i want to ask you first specifically - want to ask you first specifically about the windrush gehewaheh— specifically about the windrush generation. you _ specifically about the windrush generation. you wrote a fascinating— generation. you wrote a fascinating article for spiked ahs— fascinating article for spiked ahhs weeh— fascinating article for spiked this week .— fascinating article for spiked this week . now,— fascinating article for spiked this week . now, when these this week. now, when these heehwe— this week. now, when these people arrived— this week. now, when these people arrived ,_ this week. now, when these people arrived , they were, of people arrived, they were, of course invited _ people arrived, they were, of course invited .— people arrived, they were, of course invited . we wanted course invited. we wanted hhwah— course invited. we wanted britain wanted— course invited. we wanted britain wanted people to come he...— britain wanted people to come here, hw— britain wanted people to come here, hat they— britain wanted people to come here, but they nonetheless faced heaeahhwe — here, but they nonetheless faced incredible racism _ here, but they nonetheless faced incredible racism and hostility. what— incredible racism and hostility. whaw happened— incredible racism and hostility.

what happened there now? ahsewawew. — what happened there now? absolutely. andrew- what happened there now? absolutely. andrew as- what happened there now? absolutely. andrew as i wrote in my piece, despite these, were optimistic and dynamic migrants , many had connections with the british military or indeed had served themselves in allied efforts to defeat and fascism in the second world war. over time, the second world war. over time, the windrush generation, some responded to job advertisements, which were directly circulated by the uk government to fill vacancies in the various sectors such as healthcare and transport. but there was that , transport. but there was that, there was that affection there, that there was returning to the mother of the empire. but as i also wrote in the piece, the reception to their arrival in the uk was not necessarily welcoming and hospitable . welcoming and hospitable. there's hostility ranging from some churches to the trade unions. many faced a great deal of discrimination . then there of discrimination. then there was the 1958 notting hill riots , where so—called teddy boys were encouraging white british

residents to keep britain white. but then over time , when you but then over time, when you move into the 1960s, with the passage of race relations legislation , the situation did legislation, the situation did improve over time, and that did facilitate the integration of migrants , which was a real migrants, which was a real positive development. and a lot of these people, of course, were very coming very well educated, were coming here really much here and doing really much needed , and yet they still needed jobs, and yet they still had to put up with this hostility. but it does just go to hostility. but it does just go we shew,— hostility. but it does just go to show, doesn't— hostility. but it does just go to show, doesn't it,- c cy but it does just go to show, doesn't it, how far we-we-oh- to show, doesn't it, how far we-we-oh he.- to show, doesn't it, how far- we've-oh, no, absolutely. we've come? oh, no, absolutely. and that i've and that's a point that i've made on occasions . made on numerous occasions. andrew, look at the andrew, when you look at the kind of in—your—face racism that was faced by members of the windrush generation back in those days , we've really made those days, we've really made fantastic progress when it comes to racial equality in our country. and that was demonstrated in a new report published by british future, which showed that a comfortable majority ethnic minority majority of ethnic minority brits feel that over the last 25 years we've made significant progress when it comes to racial equality and 80% of ethnic minority brits believe that it's

better to live in britain as an ethnic minority when compared to other countries such as usa , other countries such as usa, france and germany. and that's something that i've argued for something that i've argued for some time, that brexit, britain actually outperforms a range of eu member states, such as france, germany and the netherlands. it comes to netherlands. when it comes to providing anti—discrimination protections on the of protections on the grounds of race, ethnicity religion . race, ethnicity and religion. so to what extent do you think whaw— so to what extent do you thinki that—h that the windrush generation in of that the windrush generation in ef—hewhea- that the windrush generation in eh—hewhea ae- that the windrush generation in of helped to forge of themselves helped to forge ahat— of themselves helped to forge whaw hwegwess— of themselves helped to forge that progress that the country has— that progress that the country has gone— that progress that the country has gone through as a whole? wew— has gone through as a whole? weh .— has gone through as a whole? weh w whhh— has gone through as a whole? well i think that— has gone through as a whole? well i think that originally wheh— well i think that originally wheh wew— well i think that originally when you look— well i think that originally when you look at the anti—racism heweheha w— when you look at the anti—racism movement, i think— when you look at the anti—racism movement, i think the anti—racism- movement, i think the anti—racism movement, by the way,— anti—racism movement, by the watt-haw— anti—racism movement, by the watt-haw west- anti—racism movement, by the way,-truly lost its- anti—racism movement, by the way, truly lost its way way, it has truly lost its way in way, it has truly lost its way th eeht— way, it has truly lost its way in recent times— way, it has truly lost its way in recent times because much of it in recent times because much of tt has— in recent times because much of it has brainlessly_ in recent times because much of it has brainlessly imported us waetat— it has brainlessly imported us racial identity— it has brainlessly imported us racial identity politics. but tact— racial identity politics. but tact th— racial identity politics. but tact h the— racial identity politics. but back in the 19505- racial identity politics. but back in the 1950s and 60s , you back in the 1950s and 60s, you had a legendary figures such as salieri, constantine , who really salieri, constantine, who really did do fantastic work in terms of, you know, fighting racial discrimination and pressing for legislation which would help the

social, economic and political integration of ethnic and racial minorities living in this country. now, minorities living in this country . now, things all seem to country. now, things all seem to go country. now, things all seem to 90 a— country. now, things all seem to 90 a htt— country. now, things all seem to 90 a htt wen-e— country. now, things all seem to 90 a htt wen-e a— country. now, things all seem to go a bit wrong. a few— wiwiw. now, things all seem to go a bit wrong. a few years th. now, things all seem to go a bit wrong. a few years ago, when— go a bit wrong. a few years ago, when thetesa— go a bit wrong. a few years ago, when theresa may— go a bit wrong. a few years ago, when theresa may introduced this hesttte— when theresa may introduced this hostile environment policy , she hostile environment policy, she aha— hostile environment policy, she and thts— hostile environment policy, she and thts hat— hostile environment policy, she and this had a— hostile environment policy, she and this had a direct impact on et— and this had a direct impact on at the— and this had a direct impact on some of the wind— and this had a direct impact on some of the wind rush generation.— some of the wind rush generation. there were people whe— generation. there were people who wee— generation. there were people who were told— generation. there were people who were told that they don't hetehe — who were told that they don't hetehg heae.— who were told that they don't belong here, that they had to go hast.— belong here, that they had to go hast. was— belong here, that they had to go back. was this— belong here, that they had to go back. was this you— belong here, that they had to go back. was this you will recall, of course, this— back. was this you will recall, of course, this this huge governmental- of course, this this huge governmental error. but were attes— governmental error. but were ehttes rtght— governmental error. but were critics right to _ governmental error. but were critics right to interpret that as-or was that- as racism or was that just incompetence— as racism or was that just incompetence ?- as racism or was that just incompetence ? i think that when incompetence? i think that when we test— incompetence? i think that when we test at— incompetence? i think that when we teet at the— incompetence? i think that when we look at the windrush scandal . there-s— we look at the windrush scandal . there-s a— we look at the windrush scandal .thete-s a great— we look at the windrush scandal , there's a great deal of administrative incompetence whtus— administrative incompetence atatus hat— administrative incompetence atatus hat .— administrative incompetence aukus but i think the issue is that— aukus but i think the issue is that when— aukus but i think the issue is that when wew— aukus but i think the issue is that when you when you look at that— that when you when you look at thatlthe— that when you when you look at that-the broader— that when you when you look at that the broader context of that in the broader context of the— that in the broader context of the environmental the hostile environmental pathw— the hostile environmental pewtew .— the hostile environmental policy, i think— the hostile environmental policy, i think the people wtthhatetw— policy, i think the people ultimately when look ultimately when they look at thhtgtatteh— ultimately when they look at immigration what want, immigration in what they want, thew— immigration in what they want, they want— immigration in what they want, they want competence and they want— they want competence and they want-waterw- they want competence and they want properly managed. want it to be properly managed. i want it to be properly managed. t-ththt— want it to be properly managed. t-ththt that— want it to be properly managed. i-think that was— want it to be properly managed. i-think that was the- want it to be properly managed. i-think that was the case.l i don't think that was the case. when the windrush when we look at the windrush scandal, ultimately we scandal, because ultimately we were people were were looking at people who were being discriminated against,

people who had provided people who had who had provided a deal of loyal service a great deal of loyal service to the especially in the country, especially in sectors, as i said, in health care and transport. i think that my main worry is that the level of damage that it did already of damage that it did to already disaffected communities of black canbbean disaffected communities of black caribbean origin, especially communities that felt that, for example , the metropolitan police example, the metropolitan police service in london had grossly mismanaged the racist murder of stephen lawrence. so i do think that there are lessons to be learned from the windrush scandal, and we have to really speed up that process of compensation as which has compensation as well, which has been slow and been far too slow and inefficient. i ask you about inefficient. can i ask you about your book beyond grievance what the left gets wrong about ethnic minorities? it's quite provocative -, - minorities? it's quitej provocative -, but provocative title, but potentially - provocative title, but potentially you might be whsetthe— potentially you might be upsetting some people the upsetting some people on the tett.— upsetting some people on the tett. hat— upsetting some people on the tett. hat-gathe— upsetting some people on the left. but going ask you upsetting some people on the left. do going ask you upsetting some people on the left. do the going ask you upsetting some people on the left. do the leftig ask you upsetting some people on the left. do the left get ask you upsetting some people on the left. do the left get wrong'ou upsetting some people on the left. do the left get wrong ? what do the left get wrong? i ththt— what do the left get wrong? i ththt thew— what do the left get wrong? i ththt they get— what do the left get wrong? i think they get a— what do the left get wrong? i think they get a great- what do the left get wrong? i think they get a great deal wrong. andrew, think you're wrong. andrew, i think you're fantastic at highlighting that yourself, think looking at yourself, but i think looking at it from from my point of view and in terms of what i've written in my new book, beyond grievance, it's a tension

between to be between what i consider to be a radical cultural liberalism , radical cultural liberalism, which has taken hold on the modern british left and the more patriotic and traditional sentiments that you'll find in many british ethnic minority communities. so i talk a great deal about family values. i also talk about how ethnic minority, ethnic minority people in the uk , a lot of them don't want to be seen as victims in their own country. they belong to robust family units. they really want to strive to do better and make the the opportunities the most of the opportunities that provided in british that they're provided in british democracy and said democracy. and as i said earlier, they're very much aware of and freedoms of the protections and freedoms that provided their that they're provided in their country compared to ethnic minorities living in other countries, as france and countries, such as france and germany. so i think that what the offers is a more the book offers is a more positive account of britain's record on race relations and more broadly on matters of equality . motty and it really equality. motty and it really what it is , it instructs the what it is, it instructs the left that when you're looking at inequalities, not to look at everything through the prism of race, also look at social class or even things such as might

or even things such as it might sound a boring, things sound a bit boring, but things like a geographically like living in a geographically isolated think isolated community. i think things like that are far more important comes to important when it comes to shaping chances. in modern shaping life chances. in modern day . motty you mentioned day britain. motty you mentioned that we— day britain. motty you mentioned that we-a— day britain. motty you mentioned that we -a tendency- tip t�* motty you mentioned that we a tendency here t:p t�* motty you mentioned that we a tendency here to that we have a tendency here to theat— that we have a tendency here to thwart-ahoat- that we have a tendency here to import-about race- import narratives about race hem— import narratives about race hem-us— import narratives about race hem-us aha— import narratives about race from us and kind of impose from the us and kind of impose them — from the us and kind of impose them ente— from the us and kind of impose them onto our— from the us and kind of impose them onto our situation and them onto our own situation and them onto our own situation and the-wtth— them onto our own situation and the-wtth that. - them onto our own situation and the-with that. but- them onto our own situation and the with that. but if the problems with that. but if i caatt— the problems with that. but if i could mention,— the problems with that. but if i could mention, robin diangelo's heat.— could mention, robin diangelo's hash—aha- could mention, robin diangelo's book,_and robini book, white fragility and robin diangelo— book, white fragility and robin diangelo believes that actually in diangelo believes that actually th ew— diangelo believes that actually he present— diangelo believes that actually in our present day things are worse for ethnic— in our present day things are worse for ethnic minorities than they— worse for ethnic minorities than they wee— worse for ethnic minorities than they were during— worse for ethnic minorities than they were during the period of jim they were during the period of ih crew.— they were during the period of jim crow, because her argument is jim crow, because her argument ts that— jim crow, because her argument ts that at— jim crow, because her argument ts that at the— jim crow, because her argument is that at the time— jim crow, because her argument is that at the time of jim crow, it is that at the time of jim crow, tt was— is that at the time of jim crow, tt att— is that at the time of jim crow, it was all overt.— is that at the time of jim crow, it was all overt. you could see the— it was all overt. you could see the teatsm— it was all overt. you could see the racism, but— it was all overt. you could see the racism, but-it's- it was all overt. you could see the racism, but it's been the racism, but now it's been swhswhett— subsumed, so it's often thwsthte— subsumed, so it's often invisible and- subsumed, so it's often invisible and it's happening. twen— invisible and it's happening. tweh-eah-t— invisible and it's happening. even-can't see- invisible and it's happening. even can't see it. what even if you can't see it. what do even if you can't see it. what to wew— even if you can't see it. what to you hate— even if you can't see it. what do you make argument? do you make of that argument? watt.— do you make of that argument? watt-m— do you make of that argument? watt-m the— do you make of that argument? well,-in the british- well, i think in the british context, i make the point in the book still improvements book there's still improvements to about the to be made. i talk about in the labour market that, you know, names culturally names which are culturally distant sounding tend fare distant sounding tend to fare worse traditionally english worse than traditionally english sounding even when you sounding names, even when you control experience , control for work experience, skills and educational qualifications . and i talk about qualifications. and i talk about having a more efficient and

responsive care system , responsive health care system, which is which functions better in the face of having an ever diversifying population. i do talk improving police talk about improving police community relations as well, but i think that the and i think i think, for example, i think of runnymede trust in 2000, they published the report which which provided which provided the view that to suggest that racism is widespread in the britain of 2000 was a partisan and skewed view. and then more recently they published a report which said that our systems in england are deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities. i simply don't believe that. and i don't believe that this argument that racial and ethnic minorities more generally in the west, in the western world, are worse off now compared to before. well, it's interesting that— now compared to before. well, it's interesting that you- it's interesting that you mentioned— it's interesting that you mentioned the runnymede trust. they— mentioned the runnymede trust. thew—hat— mentioned the runnymede trust. thew—hat a- mentioned the runnymede trust. thew—hat a seal they seem to have had a sea change— they seem to have had a sea change mem— they seem to have had a sea change from that— they seem to have had a sea change from that attitude back in change from that attitude back th 2000. — change from that attitude back th zoos-that— change from that attitude back in 2000..that just- change from that attitude back in 2000. that just because in 2000. is that just because aettwsts— in 2000. is that just because activists have— in 2000. is that just because activists have kind seized activists have kind of seized that—have- activists have kind of seizedi that—have with that group, as they have with every—tant- that group, as they have with every _tank and. every other think tank and ehahtw— every other think tank and ehahtw e — every other think tank and ehahtw e t— every other think tank and charity ? i think- every other think tank and charity ? charity? i think it's a possibility. i think that there are organisations who perhaps

their presence aviation is ultimately reliant on peddling this narrative that britain is a fundamental racist society . and fundamental racist society. and |, fundamental racist society. and i, i definitely disagree with that. and, and i, i definitely disagree with that . and, and yet there are that. and, and yet there are exahhtes— that. and, and yet there are exahptes et— that. and, and yet there are examples of where- and, and yet there are examples of where we do see tatte— examples of where we do see qwtte sweat— examples of where we do see quite overt racism . i mean, this quite overt racism. i mean, this stew— quite overt racism. i mean, this stew a— quite overt racism. i mean, this stew a tew— quite overt racism. i mean, this story a few weeks— quite overt racism. i mean, this story a few weeks ago about the test— story a few weeks ago about the test etttee— story a few weeks ago about the post office and— story a few weeks ago about the post office and their guidelines and they— post office and their guidelines and they wee— post office and their guidelines and they were using quite sweeth— and they were using quite overtly horrific— and they were using quite overtly horrific racist tangwage- overtly horrific racist language. there's no getting aroma— language. there's no getting around that— language. there's no getting around that . _ language. there's no getting around that . 't: language. there's no getting around that . ' t: pat around that. and an absolutely and i've even included it at the point in the book. for example, when you saw the blacklist being used to directly target members of the gypsy and traveller communities. so, so, so i do include episodes like that in the book. but i think that when you compare that to what i'd consider a very aggressive form of racial discrimination , when of racial discrimination, when you're looking at violence, harassment and intimidation, i do think that we've made significant strides from that. but as i say in the book, i don't think i look at britain

through rose tinted spectacles. i say that actually what we should strive do is make should strive to do is make these improvements in various spheres of british life. so with the gold standard the ultimate gold standard example of a successful multiracial democracy in the modern world, ricky besson, thanks so much forjoining me today. really appreciate it. thanks— today. really appreciate it. thanks-.— today. really appreciate it. thanks-- se— today. really appreciate it. thanks,-. so next- : really appreciate it. thanks, . so next on free thanks, ipp. so next on free speech— thanks, ipp. so next on free speech nation,— thanks, ipp. so next on free speech nation, top irish tewhattst— speech nation, top irish journalist david quinn will be here— journalist david quinn will be here te— journalist david quinn will be here to discuss— journalist david quinn will be here to discuss the potential ramifications— here to discuss the potential ramifications of— here to discuss the potential ramifications of the hugely contentious— ramifications of the hugely contentious hate crime bill. see you— contentious hate crime bill. see you th— contentious hate crime bill. see you th a— contentious hate crime bill. see you in a moment— contentious hate crime bill. see you in a moment .— contentious hate crime bill. see you in a moment . woo

on sundays on gb news with me, tttehaet— on sundays on gb news with me, michael portillo_ on sundays on gb news with me, michael portillo gb— on sundays on gb news with me, michael portillo gb news htttah-s— michael portillo gb news britain's news— michael portillo gb news britain's news . michael portillo gb news britain's news. channel michael portillo gb news britain's news . channel hello, britain's news. channel hello, weeehte— britain's news. channel hello, welcome back— britain's news. channel hello, welcome back to— britain's news. channel hello, welcome back to free speech watteh. — welcome back to free speech nation. with— welcome back to free speech nation. with me— welcome back to free speech nation. ' t: welcome back to free speech nation. : t nation. with me andrew doyle. the irish government is currently trying to pass a criminal justice bill which has been the subject of some heated debate. defenders of the bill have argued that the restrictions it apparently places speech are for places on free speech are for the benefit of all but critics of the bill say it contains

worryingly authoritarian provisions . david worryingly authoritarian provisions. david quinn, a columnist for the sunday independent, joins us to discuss the bill. david, thanks so much for joining us. could you forjoining us. could you perhaps give us some kind of background this bill? because background to this bill? because it reported as it hasn't been reported on as much like in england? much as i would like in england? well it hasn't been reported enoughin well it hasn't been reported enough in ireland either , enough in ireland either, actually. so this was introduced to tehtaee— actually. so this was introduced te tehtaee et— actually. so this was introduced to replace or is— actually. so this was introduced to replace or is being- to replace or is being introduced- to replace or is being introduced to replace the incitement _ introduced to replace the incitement of— introduced to replace the incitement of hatred act from hese — incitement of hatred act from tees and — incitement of hatred act from 1989 and various— incitement of hatred act from 1989 and various ngos decided it teesh-t— 1989 and various ngos decided it teesh-t 90— 1989 and various ngos decided it teesh-t 90 tat— 1989 and various ngos decided it doesn't go far enough. we haweh-t— doesn't go far enough. we haven't had— doesn't go far enough. we haven't had any prosecutions antea— haven't had any prosecutions meet the— haven't had any prosecutions under the 1989— haven't had any prosecutions under the 1989 bill and we need weseewttehs— under the 1989 bill and we need prosecutions because hate is on the hease— prosecutions because hate is on the th— prosecutions because hate is on the increase in ireland. and so thts— the increase in ireland. and so thts htt— the increase in ireland. and so thts httt ts— the increase in ireland. and so this bill is currently working its this bill is currently working tts way— this bill is currently working its way through— this bill is currently working its way through the upper house, whtch— its way through the upper house, whteh ts— its way through the upper house, which is called— its way through the upper house, which is called the— its way through the upper house, which is called the senate. over here.— which is called the senate. over here. tt-s— which is called the senate. over here. it's already— which is called the senate. over here. it's already gone through more or less through the lower hease—went- more or less through the lower house, went through by house, and they went through by like house, and they went through by the he— house, and they went through by like 110 votes— house, and they went through by like 110 votes-12.— house, and they went through by like 110 votes 12. there was like 110 votes to 12. there was tess— like 110 votes to 12. there was tess et— like 110 votes to 12. there was tess at a— like 110 votes to 12. there was less of a debate— like 110 votes to 12. there was less of a debate than in seettaht— less of a debate than in seettaht .— less of a debate than in scotland . and- less of a debate than in scotland . and there's all kinds scotland. and there's all kinds of scotland. and there's all kinds tat-aspects— scotland. and there's all kinds et-asheets ta - scotland. and there's all kinds of-aspects to the- scotland. and there's all kinds of aspects to the bill. of worrying aspects to the bill. we of worrying aspects to the bill. we-heteh— of worrying aspects to the bill. we - helen joyce - of worrying aspects to the bill. we helen joyce here, by we had helen joyce over here, by the way.— we had helen joyce over here, by the waw a— we had helen joyce over here, by the waw a tew— we had helen joyce over here, by the way, a few weeks ago, metath— the way, a few weeks ago, ptehahtw-te- probably familiar to your- viewers,_extremely viewers, and she was extremely atamhet—ahehel viewers, and she was extremelyi alarmed—among the alarmed about it. so among the ththgs— alarmed about it. so among the ththes-ts— alarmed about it. so among the

things is introduces things it does is introduces ehwewsw— things it does is introduces obviously the— things it does is introduces obviously the concept of hate. it obviously the concept of hate. tt teesh-t— obviously the concept of hate. it doesn't-hate.- it doesn't define hate. it introduces— it doesn't define hate. it introduces it— it doesn't define hate. it introduces it to one of the weteetet— introduces it to one of the protected characteristics , the protected characteristics, the mea— protected characteristics, the ttea et— protected characteristics, the idea of gender.— protected characteristics, the idea of gender. but gender isn't tethet— idea of gender. but gender isn't tethet ahat— idea of gender. but gender isn't defined apart from the idea of thtehtteh— defined apart from the idea of htehtteh te— defined apart from the idea of intention to cause hate. it has the— intention to cause hate. it has the mea— intention to cause hate. it has the idea that,— intention to cause hate. it has the idea that, well, okay, wherew— the idea that, well, okay, andrew doyle— the idea that, well, okay, andrew doyle is not intending to hate.— andrew doyle is not intending to cause hate, but— andrew doyle is not intending to cause hate, but he— andrew doyle is not intending to cause hate, but he was reckless ahoat— cause hate, but he was reckless ahewt ht.— cause hate, but he was reckless about t. se— cause hate, but he was reckless about it. so he— cause hate, but he was reckless about it. so he should have known— about it. so he should have known what— about it. so he should have known what the— about it. so he should have known what the effect of his watts— known what the effect of his watts et— known what the effect of his words or his— known what the effect of his words or his writings were going to he. — words or his writings were going to be they— words or his writings were going to be they ah— words or his writings were going to be. they can also take a hold of to be. they can also take a hold at wew— to be. they can also take a hold of your computer— to be. they can also take a hold of your computer or— to be. they can also take a hold of your computer or other eteettehte— of your computer or other electronic device on the grounds that— electronic device on the grounds that wew— electronic device on the grounds that you htaht— electronic device on the grounds that you might have something hatetat— that you might have something hatetat eh— that you might have something hatetat eh tt— that you might have something hateful on it ,_ that you might have something hateful on it, and you're going to eeatse— hateful on it, and you're going to release this— hateful on it, and you're going to release this at— hateful on it, and you're going to release this at any moment. aha— to release this at any moment. that tt— to release this at any moment. that tt wew— to release this at any moment. and if you refuse— to release this at any moment. and if you refuse to hand over wew— and if you refuse to hand over wew password.— and if you refuse to hand over your password, they can fine wew.— your password, they can fine wew. tattoo.— your password, they can fine you. ,5,000, all— your password, they can fine you. ,5,000, all kinds of atamhhg— you. ,5,000, all kinds of alarming aspects. t�* alarming aspects. i mean, there-s— alarming aspects. i mean, there-s se— alarming aspects. i mean, there's so much in what you say there's so much in what you say there that is that is chilling. i mean, the idea that they can look at your computer, your look at your your computer, your phone, something like that. and they've come up with this idea that have the intent it that if you have the intent it to share material, that to share the material, that could up hatred, that to share the material, that coa d up hatred, that to share the material, that coa prosecutable ed, that to share the material, that coa prosecutable offence.that to share the material, that coa prosecutable offence. but is a prosecutable offence. but firstly, how would they know what or and how what the intent is or and how are they defining what is

hateful? because we all have different ideas about what we find ? well, they can't find hateful? well, they can't do find hateful? well, they can't ta tt— find hateful? well, they can't ta tt hw— find hateful? well, they can't ta tt .— find hateful? well, they can't do it now . the— find hateful? well, they can't do it now . the justice- �*" t: 3’ well, they can't do it now . the justice minister, do it now. the justice minister, heteh— do it now. the justice minister, helen mcentee_ do it now. the justice minister, helen mcentee ,_ do it now. the justice minister, helen mcentee , she's reassuring helen mcentee, she's reassuring ewewhetw— helen mcentee, she's reassuring everybody that— helen mcentee, she's reassuring everybody that everything will be everybody that everything will he stay— everybody that everything will he stay th— everybody that everything will he okay th the— everybody that everything will be okay in the night. so on the hahtt— be okay in the night. so on the one hand, she's— be okay in the night. so on the one hand, she's saying the bill is one hand, she's saying the bill ts reatty— one hand, she's saying the bill ts reatty hath— one hand, she's saying the bill is really badly needed because there-s— is really badly needed because theses—th- is really badly needed becausei there's—in ireland. there's so much hate in ireland. hat— there's so much hate in ireland. hat-ether— there's so much hate in ireland. but-other-she's. but on the other hand, she's savingt— but on the other hand, she's sawhe. _the - saying, well, when the bill hts— saying, well, when the bill comes into force, it won't reatty— comes into force, it won't really affect— comes into force, it won't really affect all- comes into force, it won't really affect all that many peopte.— really affect all that many peopte-entw- really affect all that many people. only affect people. it will only affect ththgs— people. it will only affect. ththes—hwt people. it will only affect- things_but then people. it will only affect- thintdo_but then people. it will only affect- thintdo.need-but then people. it will only affect- thintdo.need.replace then people. it will only affect- thing do . need i replace the n why do we need to replace the hetteheht— why do we need to replace the incitement to _ why do we need to replace the incitement to hatred act of these— incitement to hatred act of these-thts— incitement to hatred act of 1989?.this isn't- incitement to hatred act of 1989? this isn't something 1989? so this isn't something that—ethtah. l 1989? so this isn't somethingi that—explain. so that she can really explain. so thts— that she can really explain. so thts ththg— that she can really explain. so thts ththg ts— that she can really explain. so this thing is going to go out thts— this thing is going to go out hte the— this thing is going to go out into the wild,— this thing is going to go out into the wild, were, into the wild, as it were, sehetthe— into the wild, as it were, sometime _next. into the wild, as it were, sometime _next months. sometime in the next few months. and sometime in the next few months. that there-s— sometime in the next few months. that thete-s going— sometime in the next few months. and there's going to— sometime in the next few months. and there's going to be all thts— and there's going to be all kinds.ngos_ and there's going to be all kinds ngos just dying to kinds of ngos just dying to repeat— kinds of ngos just dying to reheat-tet- kinds of ngos just dying to report for so—called hate report people for so—called hate aha— report people for so—called hate and then— report people for so—called hate and then we— report people for so—called hate and then we don't— report people for so—called hate and then we don't know what's going— and then we don't know what's gang-happeh— and then we don't know what's going-happeh-it'lll and then we don't know what's going happen it'll go going to happen because it'll go hts—we- going to happen because it'll go thts—we hawel into court eventually. we have to into court eventually. we have te-what— into court eventually. we have te-what the— into court eventually. we have to-what the court- into court eventually. we have to what the court and the to see what the court and the judge— to see what the court and the j'udge_i“- to see what the court and the judge—in the- judge will do. but in the heahhhte— judge will do. but in the meantime, it's- judge will do. but in the meantime, it's going have meantime, it's going to have thts—heehtel this chilling effect. people are going— this chilling effect. people are going te— this chilling effect. people are going to .terrified- this chilling effect. people are going to terrified have going to be terrified to have to. going to be terrified to have ta-eatthe— going to be terrified to have ta-eatthe te- going to be terrified to have to. calling to their to. police calling to their test.— to. police calling to their door.-that's- to. police calling to their door. that's enough to door. and that's enough to teamw— door. and that's enough to temttw hast— door. and that's enough to terrify most people into not sheathe— terrify most people into not sheathg eat— terrify most people into not speaking out on certain topics. wett— speaking out on certain topics. wet the— speaking out on certain topics. wet the hatet— speaking out on certain topics. well, the point-i— speaking out on certain topics. well, the point-i mean,- speaking out on certain topics. well, the point is, i mean, hate crime legislation and hate speech across europe, the

speech laws across europe, the common factor is that no one really to hate. really knows how to define hate. and you're talking about the irish government saying that it's affect the it's only going to affect the most instances. but most extreme instances. but when it to the debate, it comes to the gender debate, we hear activists all the time claiming instance , claiming that, for instance, being equivalent being misgendered is equivalent to genocide. so they interpret things as being extreme, even when they're not. so how can we be sure that the courts won't do the same ? well, in the be sure that the courts won't do the same ? well , in the uk a few the same? well, in the uk a few years— the same? well, in the uk a few years age— the same? well, in the uk a few years age you— the same? well, in the uk a few years ago you probably- , well, in the uk a few years ago you probably recall we had years ago you probably recall we hat graham— years ago you probably recall we had graham linehan , who is one had graham linehan, who is one of had graham linehan, who is one at the— had graham linehan, who is one of the co—writers_ had graham linehan, who is one of the co—writers of— had graham linehan, who is one of the co—writers of father ted . aht — of the co—writers of father ted . and he — of the co—writers of father ted . and he hat— of the co—writers of father ted , and he had police visiting his teet— , and he had police visiting his door because— , and he had police visiting his door because he— , and he had police visiting his door because he had quote ahawete— door because he had quote unquote misgendered someone and so we tast— unquote misgendered someone and se we test wee— unquote misgendered someone and so we just wonder, well, sehethhe— so we just wonder, well, something that that happened in hetahtt— something that that happened in ireland, because— something that that happened in ireland, because all it is ireland, because all it takes is an ireland, because all it takes is ah-eehetah- ireland, because all it takes is an complain about an activist to complain about wew.— an activist to complain about wew-hthwte- an activist to complain about. you.-minute-police you. and next minute the police hteht— you. and next minute the police hteht-wew— you. and next minute the police hteht-wew teet- you. and next minute the police might your door and might come to your door and i hetteet— might come to your door and i noticed-scotland, - might come to your door and i noticed scotland, by way, noticed in scotland, by the way, theweh— noticed in scotland, by the way, even though they— noticed in scotland, by the way, even though they passed a bill, it even though they passed a bill, tt hash-t— even though they passed a bill, tt hash-t wet— even though they passed a bill, it hasn't yet commenced because eettee—teh-tl police in scotland say we don't have— police in scotland say we don't have eheweh— police in scotland say we don't have enough police to enforce thts— have enough police to enforce thts ththg— have enough police to enforce this thing because we don't reatty— this thing because we don't reatty thew— this thing because we don't really know what the scope is going— really know what the scope is going te— really know what the scope is going te he. — really know what the scope is going to be. but— really know what the scope is going to be. but here in hetahtt— going to be. but here in ireland, we— going to be. but here in ireland, we nearly 500

ireland, we have nearly 500 se—eattet— ireland, we have nearly 500 so—called diversity police ettteets— so—called diversity police officers trained - so—called diversity police officers trained and ready to 90-— officers trained and ready to 90- aha— officers trained and ready to tea that the— officers trained and ready to go. and the police commissioner hete— go. and the police commissioner heae weeps— go. and the police commissioner heae teees eh— go. and the police commissioner here keeps on saying , go. and the police commissioner here keeps on saying, you go. and the police commissioner here keeps on saying , you know, here keeps on saying, you know, we need— here keeps on saying, you know, we need thts. — here keeps on saying, you know, we need this. he— here keeps on saying, you know, we need this. he talks about it ahewt— we need this. he talks about it ahewt 5— we need this. he talks about it ahewt 5 et— we need this. he talks about it about 5 or 600— we need this. he talks about it about 5 or 600 hate crimes last year.— about 5 or 600 hate crimes last year- hat— about 5 or 600 hate crimes last year. but actually,— about 5 or 600 hate crimes last year. but actually, when you stewe— year. but actually, when you tewe hte— year. but actually, when you delve into those— year. but actually, when you delve into those figures , you delve into those figures, you ttseewet— delve into those figures, you ttseewet ah— delve into those figures, you discover an awful lot of them are so—called_ discover an awful lot of them are so—called hate incidents ttte— are so—called hate incidents the the— are so—called hate incidents like the police— are so—called hate incidents like the police record in htttath— like the police record in britain, where - like the police record in britain, where it's completely haset— britain, where it's completely haset eh— britain, where it's completely haset as the— britain, where it's completely based on the perception of sehehetw— based on the perception of somebody that— based on the perception of somebody that a hate incident is tathe— somebody that a hate incident is tathg etase— somebody that a hate incident is tathg etase .— somebody that a hate incident is taking place . and— somebody that a hate incident is taking place . and it doesn't taking place. and it doesn't even have to— taking place. and it doesn't even have to be,- taking place. and it doesn't even have to be, you who are the se—eattet — even have to be, you who are the so—called victim _ even have to be, you who are the so—called victim of— even have to be, you who are the so—called victim of it. somebody etse— so—called victim of it. somebody etse-tehett— so—called victim of it. somebody else-report that— so—called victim of it. somebody else report that something else can report that something was-incident.- else can report that something was-incident. so- else can report that something was incident. so this was a hate incident. so this se—eattet— was a hate incident. so this so—called 600— was a hate incident. so this so—called 600 hate incidents are metath— so—called 600 hate incidents are probably het— so—called 600 hate incidents are probably not really— so—called 600 hate incidents are probably not really hate at all. amt— probably not really hate at all. ma we-we— probably not really hate at all. and we've worked— probably not really hate at all. and we've worked very- probably not really hate at all. and we've worked very hard over here sure that non—crime here to make sure that non—crime hate are no longer hate incidents are no longer a thing because, of course, people were they perceived were claiming it. they perceived prejudice where it didn't exist, and sufficient for and that was sufficient for people have this against people to have this against their . i want ask their name. but i want to ask you this speech which went you about this speech which went viral, pauline viral, which was senator pauline o'reilly just here about o'reilly kind of just here about what what she had to say. i'd like hear response on like to hear your response on this . can we

like to hear your response on this. can we play the clip? when you think about when you thinkyabout it, all law when you think about it, all law all legislation— when you think about it, all law all legislation is— when you think about it, all law all legislation is about the restriction— all legislation is about the restriction of— all legislation is about the restriction of freedom. that's exacte— restriction of freedom. that's exactly what— restriction of freedom. that's exactly what we're doing here, is we are restricting freedom, but we're doing it for the common good. you will see throughout our constitution , throughout our constitution, yes, you have rights, but they are restricted for the common good. everything needs to be balanced. and if your views on other people's identities go to make their lives unsafe, insecure and cause them such deep discomfort that they cannot live in peace, then i believe that it live in peace, then i believe thatitis live in peace, then i believe that it is our job as that it is ourjob as legislators to restrict those freedoms . so restricting the freedoms. so restricting the freedoms. so restricting the freedoms of the population for the common good. where have we heatt— the common good. where have we heart that— the common good. where have we heard that before?— the common good. where have we heard that before? oh,— the common good. where have we heard that before? oh, in- ... 3: where have we heard that before? oh, in every shete— heard that before? oh, in every single tyrannical— heard that before? oh, in every single tyrannical regime that's extstett— single tyrannical regime that's ever existed, can— single tyrannical regime that's ever existed, can the can tawthe— ever existed, can the can pauline o'reilly not see that what— pauline o'reilly not see that what she-s— pauline o'reilly not see that what she's advocating for there is authoritarianism ? mice is authoritarianism? well, i mean, she completely gave the game away because the government

itself was trying to minimise what this bill is going to mean in here have in practise. and here we have somebody who's a member of one of coalition parties, in of the coalition parties, in this greens, and she's this case the greens, and she's saying enough somebody saying this enough to somebody who unsafe or insecure and who feels unsafe or insecure and are uncomfortable, utterly subjective terms. and she says, we can't live in a society where people who belong to certain protected groups unsafe, protected groups feel unsafe, insecure or uncomfortable. so to my mind, that shows just how far reaching this bill is potentially going to be. and what's really alarming is the lack of proper debate about it. so there's been some in the upper the senate , but upper house, the senate, but it's obviously less important, just house lords just like your house of lords and so the bill is ultimately going to sail through. there's some small possibility of some kind amendment might kind of amendment that might soften the blow this thing soften the blow of this thing a little bit . and our media here little bit. and our media here have mainly been in favour of it, are silent. our equivalent of the bbc has been nearly utterly silent about it. in fact, the weird thing is here we are in gb news and gb news is showing more interest in it than our broadcaster is and

our national broadcaster is and so most of the opposition to it within ireland has been occurring on social media. so that clip you just showed is had something 2 million something like 2 million views. now, them are because now, a lot of them are because people like you, andrew, retweeted it and like about six weeks ago, we had elon musk coming onto the bill and we also had people like jordan peterson also cottoning on the bill. also cottoning on to the bill. so got these really big so we got these really big figures from overseas saying, hang minute, we've got hang on a minute, we've got a problem in ireland. and the problem in ireland. and the problem in ireland. and the problem in ireland problem by the way, in ireland is used be most is we used to be the most catholic country in the world, and we're kind of moving and now we're kind of moving over most over to being the most politically correct country in ireland. kind of ireland. so we're kind of overcompensating for it. but we're from one type of we're going from one type of authoritarianism in the past to authoritarianism in the past to a form today. i did a brand new form today. i did want to ask you about- want to ask you about that, hawth— want to ask you about that, hawtt-tt- want to ask you about that, david,-it does- want to ask you about that, david, it does strike want to ask you about that,- david,-it does strike me david, because it does strike me that— david, because it does strike me that-teat— david, because it does strike me that-teat the- that there is a real the aettwsh — that there is a real the activism within ireland is far more extreme and aggressive and mutant— more extreme and aggressive and mutant thah— more extreme and aggressive and militant than you— more extreme and aggressive and militant than you see even over here.— militant than you see even over here. ahe— militant than you see even over here. that t— militant than you see even over here. and i wonder— militant than you see even over here. and i wonder to what extent— here. and i wonder to what extent that— here. and i wonder to what extent that was— here. and i wonder to what extent that was because you have this extent that was because you have thts htstew— extent that was because you have thts htstew et— extent that was because you have this history of catholicism, whtch— this history of catholicism, whteh was— this history of catholicism, which was then— this history of catholicism, which was then sort of swept away— which was then sort of swept away th— which was then sort of swept away he the— which was then sort of swept away in the public consciousness

by the— away in the public consciousness by the same— away in the public consciousness by the se— away in the public consciousness by the same sex marriage. and that— by the same sex marriage. and that she— by the same sex marriage. and that since then,— by the same sex marriage. and that since then, you have eettttetahs— that since then, you have politicians and- that since then, you have politicians and the media class in politicians and the media class he wetaht— politicians and the media class in ireland using— politicians and the media class in ireland using terms like whsaet— in ireland using terms like unsafe, which— in ireland using terms like unsafe, which is straight out of the texteeh— unsafe, which is straight out of the lexicon of— unsafe, which is straight out of the lexicon of critical social twsttee— the lexicon of critical social justice. otherwise known as wetehess— justice. otherwise known as wetehess . — justice. otherwise known as wokeness . you- justice. otherwise known as wokeness. /tit. justice. otherwise known as wokeness. p wokeness. you see, i think ireland is a country because we're a small country. ireland is a country because we're a small country . we're we're a small country. we're extremely consensus driven . and extremely consensus driven. and i think what's turning out in ireland is we kind of only allow oneidea ireland is we kind of only allow one idea at a time. and if you don't go along with that idea, you're cancelled, you're silenced, you're not given platforms. and this happens in all kinds of informal ways, like britain . um, all kinds of informal ways, like britain. um, so all kinds of people now simply don't get ianed people now simply don't get invited to universities anymore to part in debates. um, we to take part in debates. um, we had, by the way, a couple of years ago, richard dawkins was supposed at trinity supposed to speak at trinity college dublin to college dublin due to his society, historical society. society, the historical society. but apparently the oldest debating in the world. debating society in the world. but in uk came in and they but in uk he came in and they disinvited him because a few years he described islam as years ago he described islam as the greatest force for evil in the greatest force for evil in the world today. so they said, we him. now it's we can't have him. but now it's coming along is so there's all

kinds informal ways of kinds of informal ways of censoring people . so now they're censoring people. so now they're going along this going to come along with this bill, which is a formal way to do it. and ironically, a few years ago, ireland got rid of the law the blasphemy, the blasphemy law from constitution . so you from its constitution. so you can blasphemous things about can say blasphemous things about god, but the new form of blasphemy you can't say blasphemy is you can't say blasphemy is you can't say blasphemy a thing. it's like blasphemous things about certain minorities. the ironic thing minorities. so the ironic thing again, is we've replaced this really strict kind of catholic consensus with this extremely strict one. and the same people who kind of were extremely opposed to the church and its dominance are the same people who are introducing a lot of this sort of stuff. and they can see the irony and they can see the standard involved. the double standard involved. david quinn, thank you so much for joining me today. thank you . so i just for joining me today. thank you . se ttwst waht— for joining me today. thank you . so i just want to— for joining me today. thank you . so i just want to quickly- t�* g : thank you . so i just want to quickly ask my— . so i just want to quickly ask my eahet— . so i just want to quickly ask my sweet ahewt— . so i just want to quickly ask my panel about this because i do the— my panel about this because i do the tt— my panel about this because i do find it interesting,— my panel about this because i do find it interesting, leo. you thew.— find it interesting, leo. you know, scotland _ find it interesting, leo. you know, scotland has passed a sthttat— know, scotland has passed a sthttat-et— know, scotland has passed a similar-of hate- know, scotland has passed a similar of hate crime bill, similar kind of hate crime bill, whtch— similar kind of hate crime bill, whteh ts— similar kind of hate crime bill, which is similarly— similar kind of hate crime bill, which is similarly draconian . it which is similarly draconian. it tatts— which is similarly draconian. it. tatts—eeeete talks about criminalising people for talks about criminalising people tea-thew—

talks about criminalising people tea-thew-h— talks about criminalising people for-they-in their- talks about criminalising people for they in their own for stuff they say in their own hes — for stuff they say in their own homes. _about- for stuff they say in their own homes. - about the - for stuff they say in their own homes. about the public for stuff they say in their own homon about the public for stuff they say in their own homon stage. about the public for stuff they say in their own homon stage. on )0ul the public for stuff they say in their own homon stage. on stage ie public for stuff they say in their own homon stage. on stage .t public for stuff they say in their own homon stage. on stage . exactly. and on stage. on stage. exactly. so and on stage. on stage. exactly. se tt— and on stage. on stage. exactly. se tt seate— and on stage. on stage. exactly. se tt eeatt te— and on stage. on stage. exactly. so it could be terrible— and on stage. on stage. exactly. so it could be terrible for- so it could be terrible for comedy in scotland. i mean, because perception led. because it's all perception led. it's, if the victim it's, you know, if the victim or, you know, person who's supposed to the or supposed to be the victim or anybody else perceives something as being hateful, whatever that means , then then it's a hate means, then then it's a hate crime. it's you know, that's and it feels like this is spreading. i mean, dion, he mentioned helen tewee— i mean, dion, he mentioned helen joyce tethe— i mean, dion, he mentioned helen joyce going ever— i mean, dion, he mentioned helen joyce going over there, and teens— joyce going over there, and helen's been— joyce going over there, and helen's been on- joyce going over there, and helen's been on this show. of course, she raised— helen's been on this show. of course, she raised concern is that— course, she raised concern is that teethe— course, she raised concern is that looking-this- that looking at this legislation, seems that if legislation, it seems that if you— legislation, it seems that if you-a— legislation, it seems that if wew-a hettet- legislation, it seems that if you-a belief-as. legislation, it seems that if- you-a belief-as helen you have a belief such as helen tees.— you have a belief such as helen tees-tant— you have a belief such as helen does,-can't change- you have a belief such as helen does, can't change sex, does, that you can't change sex, that— does, that you can't change sex, that-aha— does, that you can't change sex, that-aht-ae- does, that you can't change sex,. that-and-are different that men and women are different .that— that men and women are different . that that— that men and women are different , that that could— that men and women are different , that that could end up with a the— , that that could end up with a the wear— , that that could end up with a five year prison— , that that could end up with a five year prison sentence . five year prison sentence. veah. — five year prison sentence. yeah, because— five year prison sentence. yeah, because it- five year prison sentence. yeah, because it doesn't align in with the group. think right. and this is absolutely terrifying because as david quinn pointed out and you pointed out , they have not pointed out, they have not defined what hate is. and even though he said, oh, the politician claims this is going to go for the more extremes, well, then define the extremes. yeah, but that's the problem, is that they never seem to define

it scotland has done a it as scotland has done a similar so humza yousaf, similar thing. so humza yousaf, whe— similar thing. so humza yousaf, whe teweteeet— similar thing. so humza yousaf, who developed the— 3 so humza yousaf, who developed the scottish hate athe— who developed the scottish hate same-tamed— who developed the scottish hate crime talked about crime bill, he talked about sttmhe— crime bill, he talked about string-.- crime bill, he talked about stirring-. yeah,l crime bill, he talked about. stirring-. yeah, but crime bill, he talked about- stirring-. yeah, but he stirring up hatred. yeah, but he hewe—heahti stirring up hatred. yeah, but hei h—eeeaht t never said what hatred meant. i heahh—e hate- never said what hatred meant. i. mean,_me hate every mean, people send me hate every day mean, people send me hate every tawleh— mean, people send me hate every tawleh eh— mean, people send me hate every tawleh eh-veah- mean, people send me hate every day-on on _yeah can. day on on on twitter. yeah can i get— day on on on twitter. yeah can i eet-attestete— day on on on twitter. yeah can i get-arrested? and- day on on on twitter. yeah can i get-arrested? and if- day on on on twitter. yeah can i get arrested? and if not, get them arrested? and if not, why—attheaghi get them arrested? and if not,- why_although it's why not? probably. although it's reassuring that scotland reassuring to hear that scotland is decent , reassuring to hear that scotland is decent, organised and is so decent, organised and incompetent that they don't actually have the police capacity to deal with it. so we're going to stymied the we're going to be stymied by the reality policing it. but yet reality of policing it. but yet some of the stuff like to make it a crime to misgender someone. i mean, it can pretty hard to i mean, it can be pretty hard to tell somebody gender is tell what somebody gender is these see these days if you can't see their twitter where they've their twitter bio where they've got i think got it in brackets. i think if people to people don't want to be misgendered, make more misgendered, they can make more effort like that gender effort to look like that gender like why am i having to do the transition in head? it's not transition in my head? it's not my transition can at least put some lipstick so you're some lipstick on. so you're saying with beards saying the lesbians with beards that you see online, they should make effort or at make more of an effort or at least get some a shaver? least just get some a shaver? yeah. okay. fair enough, yeah. okay. is that fair enough, htahee— yeah. okay. is that fair enough, time? yeah— yeah. okay. is that fair enough, time? veah t— yeah. okay. is that fair enough, diane? yeah i want you to get hwewet— diane? yeah i want you to get hwewet se— diane? yeah i want you to get involved so you— diane? yeah i want you to get involved so you get in trouble as-att— involved so you get in trouble as-att rtght.- involved so you get in trouble as-all right, then- involved so you get in trouble as-all right, then .- involved so you get in troublei as-all right, then . um. as well. all right, then. um.

hey, identify me as police phobic . and if the police knock phobic. and if the police knock on your door and they want your password, do you say i'm so sorry, but i am password sharing phobic, and you're committing a hate trying to break hate crime by trying to break into laptop? actually diane, into my laptop? actually diane, actually, serious actually, that's a serious point. if going to say point. if they're going to say that— point. if they're going to say that offence _ point. if they're going to say that offence is— point. if they're going to say that offence is the- if they're going to say that offence is the threshold, aha—hw- and if you're offended by sehethhet— and if you're offended by. something,_going and if you're offended by- something,_going to something, then we're going to hwestteate. — investigate. you've identified me . you have me as a criminal. you have misidentified me, so you should arrest yourself , sir. well, i do arrest yourself, sir. well, i do find authoritarianism- i well, i do find authoritarianism offensive, to find authoritarianism offensive, te he— find authoritarianism offensive, te he hehestt— find authoritarianism offensive, to be honest, because it never wews— to be honest, because it never wews eat.— to be honest, because it never works out, historically sheathe— works out, historically speaking, does it? anyway let's wet-s— speaking, does it? anyway let's tet-s-eh. — speaking, does it? anyway let's let's-on. we've - speaking, does it? anyway let's let's-on. we've got- speaking, does it? anyway let's let's on. we've got to take let's move on. we've got to take a treat.— let's move on. we've got to take a heat. hat— let's move on. we've got to take a break. but still— let's move on. we've got to take a break. but still to— let's move on. we've got to take a break. but still to come on, mee— a break. but still to come on, tree speech— a break. but still to come on, free speech nation, we're going to free speech nation, we're going te—hehl to have mps dance, sing, ben ttteh— to have mps dance, sing, ben ttteh htttthe— to have mps dance, sing, ben elton hitting out— to have mps dance, sing, ben elton hitting out at rishi sunak and elton hitting out at rishi sunak aht ah— elton hitting out at rishi sunak and an elephant— elton hitting out at rishi sunak and an elephant gets a new limb . tt-s— and an elephant gets a new limb . tt-s athest— and an elephant gets a new limb . it's almost time— and an elephant gets a new limb . it's almost time for social ehsatehsst— . it's almost time for social ehsatehsst .— . it's almost time for social sensations . don't miss it.

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on mark dolan tonight , .. on mark dolan tonight. t�* ittg on mark dolan tonight. in my big eemtem— on mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion, politicians have not been straight with us about the economy, and now we're all paying economy, and now we're all paying the price. when it comes to the nation's finances. we need some tough love. for need some tough love. and for those don't like it, tough those that don't like it, tough luck in my take at ten, why are tories drawing up plans let tories drawing up plans to let children change their sex at school? who's going to stand up to woke madness ? also, to this woke madness? also, seven years on from brexit, have remainers proved remainers been proved wrong? plus, politics legend ann widdecombe, the leader of ukip , widdecombe, the leader of ukip, neil political neil hamilton, and political commentator annunziata rees—mogg. we're live from . rees—mogg. we're live from. nine welcome back to free speech nation. so it's time for social ehsatehsst— nation. so it's time for social sensations as— nation. so it's time for social sensations as we _ \p tit" so it's time for social sensations as we take a quick teet— sensations as we take a quick teet at— sensations as we take a quick teet at what— sensations as we take a quick look at what has— sensations as we take a quick look at what has been breaking the htethet— look at what has been breaking the internet this— look at what has been breaking the internet this week. so first up the internet this week. so first we ts— the internet this week. so first we ts thts— the internet this week. so first up is this video— the internet this week. so first up is this video .— the internet this week. so first up is this video . and i'm not up is this video. and i'm not what— up is this video. and i'm not sure what this— up is this video. and i'm not sure what this is— up is this video. and i'm not sure what this is about. this up is this video. and i'm not sure what this is about . this is sure what this is about. this is cehsewatwe— sure what this is about. this is conservative mp— sure what this is about. this is conservative mp peter bone mathe— conservative mp peter bone hathe hts— conservative mp peter bone making his tick— conservative mp peter bone making his tick tock debut. tet-s— making his tick tock debut. tet-s have— making his tick tock debut. tet-s have a— making his tick tock debut. let's have a look .

making his tick tock debut. let's have a look. i'm like, wett— let's have a look. i'm like, wet, t— let's have a look. i'm like, well, i mean,— let's have a look. i'm like, well, i mean, you know, he's a tewetw— well, i mean, you know, he's a tewetw — well, i mean, you know, he's a lovely mover. no— well, i mean, you know, he's a lovely mover. no he's definitely hate— lovely mover. no he's definitely mate a— lovely mover. no he's definitely mate a thet— lovely mover. no he's definitely made a tick tock_ lovely mover. no he's definitely made a tick tock debut . made a tick tock debut. that's true.— made a tick tock debut. that's the. hat— made a tick tock debut. that's the. hat why— made a tick tock debut. that's true. but why are we interested in that kind of thing? why don't it go viral? what's he doing? is there a message there? it seemed like a cross between a dance and getting off by a getting told off by a headteacher. i didn't know headteacher. yeah i didn't know what going on there. have what was going on there. have you my gosh, bring you seen. oh, my gosh, bring back theresa may. i mean, when she did little funny little she did her little funny little robot kind robot strut, that's the kind of thing want. my politicians thing i want. my politicians were-mean about- thing i want. my politicians. were-mean about theresa t; my politicians were because ean about theresa t; my politicians were because she about theresa t; my politicians were because she wasit theresa t; my politicians were because she was visiting;a may because she was visiting a group— may because she was visiting a theme et— may because she was visiting a grow of pimple— may because she was visiting a group of people dancing group of people who were dancing and group of people who were dancing aha-tast— group of people who were dancing aha-tast shewhg- and she was just showing enthusiasm— and she was just showing enthusiasm it enthusiasm for the i thought it waseswe-gt— enthusiasm for the i thought it was-gesture..was- was a nice gesture. it was a great— was a nice gesture. it was a great gesture.— was a nice gesture. it was a great gesture, and it was awful. so great gesture, and it was awful. se tt— great gesture, and it was awful. se tt wa— great gesture, and it was awful. so it was brilliant— great gesture, and it was awful. so it was brilliant in— great gesture, and it was awful. so it was brilliant in both- great gesture, and it was awful. so it was brilliant in both ways because she was being really nice same time i was nice and at the same time i was like, god, theresa, stop like, oh my god, theresa, stop it. this diplomatic it. this is a diplomatic incident. okay, well, look, we're-move on.- incident. okay, well, look,- we're-move on. speaking we're going to move on. speaking of conservative— we're going to move on. speaking of conservative mps, pm rishi smat— of conservative mps, pm rishi swat-the- of conservative mps, pm rishi sunak-the-thisl sunak spoke to the bbc this weekend— sunak spoke to the bbc this weekend-then- sunak spoke to the bbc this weekend then comedian weekend and then comedian ben ttteh— weekend and then comedian ben ttteh-tathet— weekend and then comedian ben elton rather unimpressed. elton was rather unimpressed. tet-s— elton was rather unimpressed. tet-s have— elton was rather unimpressed. tet-s have a— elton was rather unimpressed. let's have a look— elton was rather unimpressed. let's have a look . 't: �*"

let's have a look. and if anybody was still watching after that extraordinary orwellian , that extraordinary orwellian, meaningless, evasive salad meaningless, evasive word, salad , meaningless, evasive word, salad i , meaningless, evasive word, salad , i mean, i sort of everybody else wanted to believe and i sort of believed maybe he's kind of a bit more decent, you know, and it turns out he's as much of a mendacious , narcissistic a mendacious, narcissistic sociopath as preview. wow . so sociopath as preview. wow. so he's not pulling— sociopath as preview. wow. so he's not pulling any- wow. so he's not pulling any punches there.— he's not pulling any punches there. ts— he's not pulling any punches there, is he?— he's not pulling any punches there, is he? no,— he's not pulling any punches there, is he? no, no, nothing is a htt— there, is he? no, no, nothing is a htt amat— there, is he? no, no, nothing is a bit unfair on— there, is he? no, no, nothing is a bit unfair on on— there, is he? no, no, nothing is a bit unfair on on rishi. i ttsht— a bit unfair on on rishi. i mean, rishi has- a bit unfair on on rishi. i mean, rishi has sort- a bit unfair on on rishi. i mean, rishi has sort of come to power at the wrong time. he's sort of grasped the draft, the reins of a crumbling empire. but but he's not he's not doing a he's a bad job. he's he's not doing a bad job. he's brought stability you brought stability. he's, you know, quite, young know, he's quite, quite young and dapper . he know, he's quite, quite young and dapper. he gets and sort of dapper. he gets photographed next to a zelenskyy a lot, which is they both like that because they're both about a lot, which is they both like that footiuse they're both about a lot, which is they both like that foot eight. ey're both about a lot, which is they both like that foot eight. yeah,)oth about a lot, which is they both like that foot eight. yeah, but about a lot, which is they both like that foot eight. yeah, but yeah,: four foot eight. yeah, but yeah, i think rishi. rishi is not actually he i think it will be remembered as a pretty competent. ithink remembered as a pretty competent. i think you make a wew— competent. i think you make a wew eeet— competent. i think you make a wew good-like- competent. i think you make a very good-like he- competent. i think you make a very good-like he has. very good point. like he has thhehtet— very good point. like he has inherited situation inherited this awful situation whee— inherited this awful situation whetet—etehat where, you know, this global recession-out— where, you know, this global recession-out of- where, you know, this global recession out of a recession just out of a eahtehtet— recession just out of a pandemic, there's nothing really he-ts— pandemic, there's nothing really he-tsltatt— pandemic, there's nothing really he-tsltattlsaw- pandemic, there's nothing really he-islfairlsay he. he can do. is it fair to say he is_narcissistic.

he can do. is it fair to say he. is_narcissistic and is mendacious, narcissistic and soc-o— is mendacious, narcissistic and pathw— is mendacious, narcissistic and patmc? .— is mendacious, narcissistic and socio pathic.7 i mean, ben elton is diagnose— socio pathic.7 i mean, ben elton is diagnose ing— socio pathic.7 i mean, ben elton is diagnose ing him there, which i is is diagnose ing him there, which i-islbn— is diagnose ing him there, which i-islbn much.— is diagnose ing him there, which i-islbit much. i- is diagnose ing him there, which i is bit much. i think i think is a bit much. i think sociopatmc— i think is a bit much. i think sociopathic is— i think is a bit much. i think sociopathic is a— i think is a bit much. i think sociopathic is a bit much. ': sociopathic is a bit much. and i think— sociopathic is a bit much. and i think its— sociopathic is a bit much. and i iiini is a— sociopathic is a bit much. and i think it's a little— sociopathic is a bit much. and i think it's a little bit hypocritical for to oh hypocritical for him to say, oh well word salad and then well he and word salad and then he in million syllables he throws in a million syllables and afterwards, it's and each word afterwards, it's like, just did the same like, sir, you just did the same thing. but ben, thing. and i'm sorry, but ben, elton been completely elton has never been completely truthful he is. i was truthful with who he is. i was very disappointed because i saw ben i was a much ben elton when i was a much younger up was younger stand up and he was there. like this on there. oh, i talk like this on stage i talk and stage and i talk like this. and then saw him have an actual then i saw him have an actual interview he like this interview and he spoke like this the really. i was the whole time. really. i was like, no, no, no. and like, no, no, no, no, no. and i felt heartbroken that he wasn't the person was stage. the person who was on stage. well, i mean, used to he well, i mean, he used to he used to well, i mean, he used to he used io iam— well, i mean, he used to he used to rant-thatcher— well, i mean, he used to he used to rant-thatcher all- well, i mean, he used to he used to rant thatcher all the to rant about thatcher all the iime. — to rant about thatcher all the iime. very— to rant about thatcher all the time. very famously. but then he beame— time. very famously. but then he ieame quie— time. very famously. but then he became quite tory,— time. very famously. but then he became quite tory, didn't he.7 yeah.— became quite tory, didn't he.7 yeah._comedians,| yeah. and also all comedians, even they they're even though they when they're on stage, oh stage, they're like, oh i'm so socialist, wing. socialist, i'm so left wing. i believe in sharing everything. i'm oh, please. like i'm a nice guy. oh, please. like me. like me. in reality, me. please like me. in reality, they're all self—starting. they're all total self—starting. thatcher like entrepreneurs going work going out and hustling for work in i mean, they in a free market. i mean, they get cash, they stick it get paid cash, they stick it under the mattress they under the mattress and they don't tax it because they

don't pay tax in it because they want they'd that want to. they'd rather keep that money than the money for themselves than the nhs. kidney machine. nhs. get another kidney machine. yeah. we this yeah. we love comedians on this programme,— yeah. we love comedians on this program-wei— yeah. we love comedians on this programme,-we.7 and- “43?" we love comedians on this programme, we? and not programme, don't we? and not iiiiei— programme, don't we? and not iiiieilaii. — programme, don't we? and not bitter. all. _finally,- bitter at all. okay finally, iiis— bitter at all. okay finally,- iiis—wiiicii this heartwarming video which has—millions- has been viewed millions of im— has been viewed millions of iimes-iiie- has been viewed millions of times the wonders of times showing the wonders of nonna— times showing the wonders of modern—is- times showing the wonders of modern—is anl modern science. this is an eiennnni— modern science. this is an eiennnni-n- modern science. this is an elephant a prosthetic foot elephant using a prosthetic foot annui— elephant using a prosthetic foot nioni io— elephant using a prosthetic foot nioni in go— elephant using a prosthetic foot nioni in go pui— elephant using a prosthetic foot about to go put it— elephant using a prosthetic foot about to go put it on tuk. the asian— about to go put it on tuk. the asian elephant. _ about to go put it on tuk. the asian elephant. follow me. tuk sadly lost his foot to a snare when he was young and was rescued by the wildlife alliance and lives at their rescue centre in so the team provide in cambodia. so the team provide him a prosthetic for every six months, which my family charity, paradise wildlife park, donates. the funds for. and there you have a prosthetic have it, a prosthetic foot for chook , the asian elephant. and chook, the asian elephant. and now able to walk, run and now he's able to walk, run and swim freely without any pain . swim freely without any pain. oh, that's very sweet, isn't it, leo:— oh, that's very sweet, isn't it, ieo, yon-n— oh, that's very sweet, isn't it, ieo, yon-n going— oh, that's very sweet, isn't it, leo, you're going to say soneining— leo, you're going to say something cynical, no doubt. no not something cynical, no doubt. no noi- — something cynical, no doubt. no noi- no.— something cynical, no doubt. no noi- no. i— something cynical, no doubt. no noi- no. i-we- not at all. no, i think we should have a paralympics for elephants now, this is to elephants now, this is going to be think i would be great. i think i would actually that. i'm just actually watch that. i'm just i'm amazed that somebody i'm just amazed that somebody thought his thought they could. he got his foot a snare. he's foot caught in a snare. he's trying elephants a trying to catch elephants with a snare. that's i mean, because oncei snare. that's i mean, because once i it was designed for

once i think it was designed for the was think he the elephant, was it i think he accidentally his foot in accidentally put his foot in another snare. oh, another kind of snare. oh, right. i imagine so.- right. i imagine so. the guyi right. i imagine so. the guy- cones—in inn comes, finds the elephant in the nine—i- comes, finds the elephant in the snare—io-niinl snare and then has to deal with inn— snare and then has to deal with this-elephant. - snare and then has to deal with this-elephant. i- snare and then has to deal with this elephant. anti" c this massive elephant. i don't inini— this massive elephant. i don't think happened think that's what happened there. what you. well, there. what do you. well, i i— there. what do you. well, i mean, i think— there. what do you. well, i mean, i think it's- si:”i:; what do you. well, i mean, i think it's a si:”i: what do you. well, i mean, i think it's a lovely sion. — mean, i think it's a lovely story- ani— mean, i think it's a lovely story- and i— mean, i think it's a lovely story. and i like- mean, i think it's a lovely story. ' “2 c “ story. and i like when human beings involved in beings get involved in nature in this i have been this way. like i have been campaigning years to build campaigning for years to build steps penguins. campaigning for years to build steps penguins . and i think steps for penguins. and i think that we should really thank you, sir. i think we should get involved in nature like when we see like animals fighting just break it up. give them a little bit yeah > calm down, bit of food. yeah > calm down, inns. — bit of food. yeah > calm down, inns. _nony— bit of food. yeah > calm down, inns. _nony-ii- bit of food. yeah > calm down, lads.-worry-it. it'si lads. don't worry about it. it's noi—eive— lads. don't worry about it. it's not-give them- lads. don't worry about it. it'si not-give them some not worth it. give them some vegan yeah, look. vegan sausages. yeah, look. there we go. lion. didn't there we go. mr lion. i didn't know you were such a philanthropist. oh, well, that's ioveiy. — philanthropist. oh, well, that's ioneiy. okay,— philanthropist. oh, well, that's lovely. okay, well,— philanthropist. oh, well, that's lovely. okay, well, look,- oh, well, that's lovely. okay, well, look, this is ins— lovely. okay, well, look, this is in pan— lovely. okay, well, look, this is ins pan si— lovely. okay, well, look, this is the part of the— lovely. okay, well, look, this is the part of the show where we ink— is the part of the show where we ink-your— is the part of the show where we talk your unfiltered talk through your unfiltered iiisnnas— talk through your unfiltered. dilemmas._much talk through your unfiltered- dilemmas._much for dilemmas. thank you so much for snaiiing— dilemmas. thank you so much for snaiiing-ninnys- emailing in, as you always do. our— emailing in, as you always do. our-dilemma— emailing in, as you always do. our dilemma from our first dilemma comes from georgina,— georgina, who says, hello, andrew. — georgina, who says, hello,l andrew. _ny andrew. hello, georgina. my surname—but. andrew. hello, georgina. my| surname—but my surname is da silva, but my fiance-s— surname is da silva, but my fiance's surname— surname is da silva, but my fiance's surname is piles. he says— fiance's surname is piles. he says we— fiance's surname is piles. he says we can-i— fiance's surname is piles. he says we ean-i gei— fiance's surname is piles. he says we can't get married if i ion-i— says we can't get married if i ien-i iaie— says we can't get married if i don't take his— says we can't get married if i don't take his surname , but don't take his surname, but i can-i— don't take his surname, but i ean-i inne— don't take his surname, but i can't bring myself to become eeeieina— can't bring myself to become georgina piles.— can't bring myself to become georgina piles. what should i

eee— georgina piles. what should i eee wein— georgina piles. what should i eee wen, i— georgina piles. what should i do? well, i mean, if you love him:— do? well, i mean, if you love him, i— do? well, i mean, if you love him, i guess— do? well, i mean, if you love him, i guess you— do? well, i mean, if you love him, i guess you take the name. if him, i guess you take the name. ii ne— him, i guess you take the name. ii ne ieves— him, i guess you take the name. if he loves her,— him, i guess you take the name. if he loves her, why— him, i guess you take the name. if he loves her, why is he easing— if he loves her, why is he ieieing nei— if he loves her, why is he forcing her to? - if he loves her, why is he forcing her to? my; if he loves her, why is he forcing her to? “i:”i: f“ forcing her to? there's an obvious solution for both of them. piles of silver. it's brilliant . yeah. piles of brilliant. yeah. piles of silver. silver? yeah okay. that would work. yeah. we've solved that. perfect. let's move on to. yeah welcome. georgina. yeah you're welcome. georgina. the from morgan . the next one is from morgan. now, morgan says yesterday at work, i was walking down a long corridor and a colleague ahead held door for me. when i got held the door for me. when i got to i said, thank to the door, i said, thank you. however, colleague raised however, my colleague raised their eyebrows and muttered, took rude not took your time. is it rude not to speed up when you see someone holding a door open for you? i just hate. i kind of think, just leave me alone. get out of my life. like if i'm walking towards the door, someone's and i've faster to get i've got to walk faster to get to i just i'd rather to the door. i just i'd rather they just just went away. they just got just went away. yeah. really annoys me because aeiaaiiy— actually, doors aren't that iiiiieaii— actually, doors aren't that difficult- no - actually, doors aren't that difficult-no ,l actually, doors aren't that difficult-no , || actually, doors aren't that. difficult-no , i can actually, doors aren't that- difficult-no , i can do difficult to open. no, i can do it myself. they're very much designed to opened closed designed to be opened and closed by yeah. how dare by a person. yeah. how dare these by a person. yeah. how dare inese peepie— “ i/i:.e:i“ how dare these people patronise us? c these people patronise us? it's these people patronise us? it's ins—eye— these people patronise us? it's the-eye contact,- the issue with eye contact, though. you have eye

though. if. if you have made eye contact that contact with the person, that person gone. i acknowledge person has gone. i acknowledge your existence. you've acknowledged oh acknowledged their existence. oh my is too far my god. the door is too far away. not speeding up. away. they're not speeding up. and now it looks i've and now it looks like i've slammed door in your face. slammed the door in your face. so you should is just so what? you should do is just nei— so what? you should do is just nee-senat- so what? you should do is just not-contact. just.- so what? you should do is just not contact. just. just not make eye contact. just. just make—looking. make eye contact by looking sienn— make eye contact by looking dawn-okay.- make eye contact by looking down. okay, that. down. blinkers okay, that. solve inai—inanis- down. blinkers okay, that. solve that—thanks for. that one. well, look, thanks for joining— that one. well, look, thanks for ieiningliei— that one. well, look, thanks for joining-for free— that one. well, look, thanks for joining for free speech joining us for free speech naiien. — joining us for free speech nation. .was- joining us for free speech nation. .was when nation. this was the week when nai— nation. this was the week when bud—themselves- nation. this was the week wheni bud _themselveslpat bud light gave themselves a pat on bud light gave themselves a pat en-iaek— bud light gave themselves a pat en-iaek ia— bud light gave themselves a pat on-back for losing- bud light gave themselves a pat on back for losing $20 on the back for losing $20 niiiien— on the back for losing $20 billion islands— on the back for losing $20 billion islands draconian hate speech—iii- billion islands draconian hate speech—bit closer speech bill edged a bit closer to speech bill edged a bit closer ie-ani— speech bill edged a bit closer to-and everyone- speech bill edged a bit closer to and everyone was to reality and everyone was iaiking— to reality and everyone was talking about— to reality and everyone was talking about cats in schools . talking about cats in schools. inani— talking about cats in schools. inank yea— talking about cats in schools. inank you is— talking about cats in schools. thank you to my— talking about cats in schools. thank you to my panel. diane sneneei— thank you to my panel. diane speneei ani— thank you to my panel. diane spencer and leo— thank you to my panel. diane spencer and leo kearse and to all spencer and leo kearse and to aii ei— spencer and leo kearse and to aii of my— spencer and leo kearse and to all of my guests— spencer and leo kearse and to all of my guests this evening. ani— all of my guests this evening. and i— all of my guests this evening. and i yea— all of my guests this evening. and if you want— all of my guests this evening. and if you want to join us live in ne— and if you want to join us live in the studio— and if you want to join us live in the studio and— and if you want to join us live in the studio and be part of our wenienai— in the studio and be part of our wonderful audience, you wonderful studio audience, you can—90— wonderful studio audience, you can—ea ia- wonderful studio audience, you can—ea ie ww- wonderful studio audience, you can—go to ww dot can do that. just go to ww dot sno— can do that. just go to ww dot sro audiences.com that's there on sro audiences.com that's there an ine— sro audiences.com that's there an ine screen— sro audiences.com that's there on the screen right now . come on the screen right now. come aiene— on the screen right now. come aieng siay— on the screen right now. come along stay tuned— on the screen right now. come along stay tuned by the way for the brilliant— along stay tuned by the way for the brilliant mark— along stay tuned by the way for the brilliant mark dolan tonight teat-s— the brilliant mark dolan tonight teats-an— the brilliant mark dolan tonight tnat-s-an-ani- that's coming up next. and niease— that's coming up next. and please-forget- that's coming up next. and please forget the please don't forget the headliners— please don't forget the headliners every night please don't forget the - headliners-every night at headliners is on every night at iioo. — headliners is on every night at iioo. inn-s— headliners is on every night at 11:00. that's the— headliners is on every night at 11:00. that's the late night paper— 11:00. that's the late night paper preview— 11:00. that's the late night paper preview where paper preview show where eenneiians— paper preview show where comedians take you through the next— comedians take you through the next-isn— comedians take you through the next-top stories- comedians take you through the next-top stories .- comedians take you through the next top stories . thanks next day's top stories. thanks for next day's top stories. thanks tea-nee— next day's top stories. thanks for-free speech - next day's top stories. thanks. for-free speech nation for watching. free speech nation

.-neat— for watching. free speech nation .-next week— for watching. free speech nation .-nekt week .— for watching. free speech nation .-next week . hello- . see you next week. hello there. — . see you next week. hello there. in— . see you next week. hello there. i'm jonathan- . see you next week. hello there. . see you next week. hello- there. i'm jonathan vautrey. who is your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office after a very warm, hot, even weekend , there are signs of even weekend, there are signs of a change on the way into the new working week behind this cold front and winds are shifting more to a westerly direction. that's helping to feed in some less humid and slightly fresher air across the uk. whilst this cold front is still with us, though, there is still the chance of some heavy outbreaks of northeast england of rain across northeast england and scotland and northeast scotland throughout of throughout the start of this overnight but turning to overnight period. but turning to turn for everyone apart turn drier for everyone apart from a few showers across the far north—west. with those far north—west. but with those fresher conditions in place, temperatures will be a notch lower than last night, generally falling down to 12, 14 c. so a little bit more comfortable for sleeping for many of us monday. then sees a lot of sunny intervals to start off the day, but we'll start to see some showers bubbling up for late morning into the afternoon, particularly across the northern half could be heavy with half. those could be heavy with a few thunderstorms in as

a few thunderstorms in there as well. central southern well. wales central southern areas england largely staying areas of england largely staying dry sunny spells . dry with some sunny spells. noticeably fresher, though, for a lot of us. temperatures generally around the high teens in the northwest close towards low 20s. further towards low or mid 20s. further towards the south and east. the showers will die off as we head into monday evening and allow relatively fine end to the day. but come the second half of the night, we're going a band night, we're going to see a band of push its way into of rain push its way into northern and it then northern ireland and it then becomes damp start for western becomes a damp start for western scotland, and scotland, northern england and into . and that rain will into wales. and that rain will continue to through during continue to push through during the persistent and the day. the most persistent and heavy for of heavy bursts for parts of north—west scotland, north—west england north—west wales. it england and north—west wales. it will patchier further to will turn patchier further to the east and actually southern areas england towards areas of england towards the south—east may stay dry throughout day, still throughout the day, but still rather cloudy compared to of late. rain continues to late. that rain continues to push its way through, but there's weather fronts there's further weather fronts and systems waiting and low pressure systems waiting in out in the atlantic in the wings out in the atlantic to bring us relatively unsettled conditions throughout rest conditions throughout the rest of so further rain at of the week. so further rain at times, temperatures around the high teens to 20s by.

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