good evening. the heat preacher who we exposed last week who'd come in from bangladesh with some very, unpleasant and some very, very unpleasant and dangerous messages, has gone back to bangladesh and cancelled the rest of his tour. we'll debate, discuss that tonight and ask how on earth did the home office give this man a visa.7 what also talk about crime . it what also talk about crime. it would appear that in many parts of the country, there are no crimes solved at local level at all. over the course of the last yeah all. over the course of the last year. what's going on.7 and scampton is back in the news because west lindsey district council now have a chance to go

to the high court to try to preserve that ancient and rather historic site. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you. good— polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you. good evening.— polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you. good evening. the- 3: nigel, thank you. good evening. the top story on ea— you. good evening. the top story on ea news— you. good evening. the top story on gb news tonight is that the head— on gb news tonight is that the head of— on gb news tonight is that the head of the— on gb news tonight is that the head of the wagner mercenary group— head of the wagner mercenary group that— head of the wagner mercenary group that launched an attempted military— group that launched an attempted military coup— group that launched an attempted miiiirrr corp irr— group that launched an attempted military coup in russia at the weekend— military coup in russia at the weekend erre— military coup in russia at the weekend says today he didn't re— weekend says today he didn't mean to overthrow putin. speaks for mean to overthrow putin. speaks ier irre— mean to overthrow putin. speaks for re iirei— mean to overthrow putin. speaks for the first time— mean to overthrow putin. speaks for the first time since the group-e— for the first time since the group-e iiereir— for the first time since the group's march on moscow, yevgeny irigezirirr— group's march on moscow, yevgeny irigezirirr eeii— group's march on moscow, yevgeny prigozhin said today— group's march on moscow, yevgeny prigozhin said today that the progress— prigozhin said today that the pregreee ei— prigozhin said today that the progress of his— prigozhin said today that the progress of his troops highlighted- progress of his troops highlighted serious security preiierre— highlighted serious security preiierre irr— highlighted serious security problems in the country in an eerie— problems in the country in an audio message— problems in the country in an audio message released on his ieieererr— audio message released on his telegram account,— audio message released on his telegram account, prigozhin eiiei— telegram account, prigozhin eiiei irri— telegram account, prigozhin added that his— telegram account, prigozhin added that his troops turned around— added that his troops turned ereurri re— added that his troops turned around to avoid— added that his troops turned around to avoid spilling the deed— around to avoid spilling the iieei ei— around to avoid spilling the blood of russian soldiers. ireeiierri— blood of russian soldiers. president for— blood of russian soldiers. president for putin, his part, ride-i— president for putin, his part, didn't mention— president for putin, his part, didn't mention the mutiny. in a video— didn't mention the mutiny. in a video address— didn't mention the mutiny. in a video address released today . video address released today. weir— video address released today. weir, rere— video address released today. well, here the— video address released today. well, here the foreign secretary irmee— well, here the foreign secretary irmee cleverlvr_ well, here the foreign secretary james cleverly, says the reieiiierr — james cleverly, says the rebellion has— james cleverly, says the rebellion has shown the world irri— rebellion has shown the world that ieueeie— rebellion has shown the world that russia is—

rebellion has shown the world that russia is not— rebellion has shown the world that russia is not as strong as previously— that russia is not as strong as was previously thought . was previously thought. regeziir-s— was previously thought. rogozhin's rebellion- was previously thought. rogozhin's rebellion is unprecedented challenge to president putin's authority, and it is clear that cracks are emerging in the russian support for the war. i of course, hold no candle for prigozhin or his forces. they have committed atrocities in ukraine and elsewhere , but he has said out elsewhere, but he has said out loud what we have believed since the start of russia's full scale invasion, that this invasion was both unjustified and unprovoked . thatis both unjustified and unprovoked . that is breaking news just coming— . that is breaking news just eerrirre re— . that is breaking news just eerrirrg re re— . that is breaking news just coming to us in— that is breaking news just coming to us in the last 15 mirriee— coming to us in the last 15 mirriee er— coming to us in the last 15 minutes or so.— coming to us in the last 15 minutes or so. russia has said irri— minutes or so. russia has said the ir— minutes or so. russia has said that it scrambled— minutes or so. russia has said that it scrambled fighter jets to that it scrambled fighter jets re irriereepi— that it scrambled fighter jets to intercept three what it says eriiieir— to intercept three what it says were british military aircraft rearing— were british military aircraft heading towards the russian ierier. — heading towards the russian ierier. irre— heading towards the russian border. the russian defence ministry— border. the russian defence ministry claims— border. the russian defence ministry claims an rc 135 reconnaissance- ministry claims an rc 135 reconnaissance and electronic warpierre— reconnaissance and electronic warpierre erre— reconnaissance and electronic warplane and to— reconnaissance and electronic warplane and to fight typhoon fighter— warplane and to fight typhoon iigirier rere— warplane and to fight typhoon fighter jets were— warplane and to fight typhoon fighter jets were heading over the fighter jets were heading over irre eieek— fighter jets were heading over the black sea.— fighter jets were heading over the black sea. the ministry says the black sea. the ministry says irre eirereii— the black sea. the ministry says the aircraft have— the black sea. the ministry says the aircraft have now turned beek— the aircraft have now turned back re— the aircraft have now turned back no confirmation from the mei— back no confirmation from the med em— back no confirmation from the med em mei— back no confirmation from the mod on that will— back no confirmation from the mod on that will get you clarification— mod on that will get you clarification just as soon as we can. now, an inquest was told reim— can. now, an inquest was told ieier mei— can. now, an inquest was told today that nicola— can. now, an inquest was told today that nicola bulli died as a resin—

today that nicola bulli died as e reeuii ei— today that nicola bulli died as a result of drowning and there was no evidence— a result of drowning and there was no evidence that she had been— was no evidence that she had been harmed.— was no evidence that she had been harmed. mother of two been harmed. the mother of two disappeared— been harmed. the mother of two iieeppeerei im— been harmed. the mother of two disappeared in january whilst out disappeared in january whilst emweikime— disappeared in january whilst out walking her— disappeared in january whilst out walking her dog along the river— out walking her dog along the ieirer wire— out walking her dog along the ieirer wire im— out walking her dog along the river wyre in lancashire. her body— river wyre in lancashire. her body wee— river wyre in lancashire. her body was found— river wyre in lancashire. her body was found three weeks ieier. — body was found three weeks ieier. a— body was found three weeks later. a home— body was found three weeks later. a home office pathologist wiri— later. a home office pathologist ieii me— later. a home office pathologist told the inquest— later. a home office pathologist told the inquest she hadn't been drinking— told the inquest she hadn't been drinking before— told the inquest she hadn't been drinking before her death. other experie— drinking before her death. other experie rise— drinking before her death. other experts also gave— drinking before her death. other experts also gave evidence at me— experts also gave evidence at me imeweei— experts also gave evidence at the inquest saying the river was just the inquest saying the river was we rewr— the inquest saying the river was just four degrees,— the inquest saying the river was just four degrees, almost freezing— just four degrees, almost freezing and— just four degrees, almost freezing and inhaling just two merrie— freezing and inhaling just two ireeim ei— freezing and inhaling just two breaths of water— freezing and inhaling just two breaths of water would have been ieimei— breaths of water would have been ieiirei .— breaths of water would have been ieiirei . ii— breaths of water would have been lethal . it costs— breaths of water would have been lethal . it costs nearly . lethal. it costs nearly. iiioeoo— lethal. it costs nearly. £170,000 to - lethal. it costs nearly. £170,000 to send a migrant to rwanda.— £170,000 to send a migrant to rwanda. that's— £170,000 to send a migrant to rwanda. that's according to the wome— rwanda. that's according to the home office.— rwanda. that's according to the home office. the— rwanda. that's according to the home office. the government says rearw— home office. the government says meeriw sim— home office. the government says meeriw m. ei— home office. the government says nearly 37% of people would need to nearly 37% of people would need e be — nearly 37% of people would need to be deterred— nearly 37% of people would need to be deterred from _ nearly 37% of people would need to be deterred from crossing the imgiieir— to be deterred from crossing the english channel— to be deterred from crossing the english channel in small boats for me— english channel in small boats for the illegal— english channel in small boats for the illegal migration bill to for the illegal migration bill re eem— for the illegal migration bill to even break— for the illegal migration bill to even break even. the assessment also warns that if ewrrem— assessment also warns that if current trends— assessment also warns that if current trends continue new wiiirewi— current trends continue new without reducing hotel usage , without reducing hotel usage, the without reducing hotel usage, me eewiwm — without reducing hotel usage, the asylum system could cost £32 miiiiem— the asylum system could cost £32 miiiiem e— the asylum system could cost £32 miiiiem a day— the asylum system could cost £32 miiiiem a dry iw— the asylum system could cost £32 million a day by the end of

me.— million a day by the end of 2026. you're— million a day by the end of 2026. you're up— million a day by the end of 2026. you're up to date on tv emiime— 2026. you're up to date on tv emiime deir— 2026. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app— online dab+ radio and the tune in mm .— online dab+ radio and the tune in mm . mie— online dab+ radio and the tune in mm . mm is— online dab+ radio and the tune in app . this is gb— online dab+ radio and the tune in app . this is gb news. now in app. this is gb news. now beek— in app. this is gb news. now week we— in app. this is gb news. now week w .— back to. nigel i thanks- back to. nigel i thanks to. back to. nigeli l thanks to an back to. nigel thanks to an eagle eyed viewer . we caused a bit of a . last week we caused a bit of a hue and cry by saying that the hate inaya ullah hate cleric, dr. inaya ullah abbasi coming to do a tour abbasi was coming to do a tour around the united kingdom and that we thought this was rather a bad idea. the reasons were a bad idea. and the reasons were very, very simple. he described the terrorists as brave the 9/11 terrorists as brave lions. he'd lauded osama bin laden, the leader of the taliban, and he said that it would be a great pleasure to give those those who insult the prophet, beheadings. give those those who insult the prophet, beheadings . so we prophet, beheadings. so we thought on every level, on every level, this man should not be coming into this country now

towards the end of last week, a couple of events did get cancelled. but today this video has emerged . and it is dr. has emerged. and it is dr. abbasi back in bangladesh . abbasi back in bangladesh. here's what he had to say. what could borrow akua hoodie- “pi: what could borrow akua hoodie as on werew— could borrow akua hoodie as on iieiw. image.— could borrow akua hoodie as on motty. farage. p&o britain . motty. farage. p&o britain. iwrepeem— motty. farage. p&o britain. european union— motty. farage. p&o britain. european union nick gibb to iemiem— european union nick gibb to london programme say police emeri— london programme say police threat could— london programme say police threat could be— london programme say police threat could be the long march, eerie— threat could be the long march, eerie ire— threat could be the long march, could be london,— threat could be the long march, could be london, bangladesh emer— could be london, bangladesh qatar british— could be london, bangladesh qatar british corby kyiv block ceriw— qatar british corby kyiv block ceriw sav— qatar british corby kyiv block corby say hello— qatar british corby kyiv block corby say hello to ahmad you the ieiiw— corby say hello to ahmad you the lobby iwpewii— corby say hello to ahmad you the lobby iwpewii re — corby say hello to ahmad you the lobby typekit to chatham , london lobby typekit to chatham, london programme— lobby typekit to chatham, london programme sav— lobby typekit to chatham, london programme say police threat be the programme say police threat be me iono— programme say police threat be the long march— programme say police threat be the long march covid london ioiiee— the long march covid london police programme to alhambra . police programme to alhambra. oaiiia— police programme to alhambra. i>aiiia ewe— police programme to alhambra. dalila bus torfaen bangladeshi earma— dalila bus torfaen bangladeshi oaiima oi— dalila bus torfaen bangladeshi patina of british— dalila bus torfaen bangladeshi patina of british nick gibb

coriw— patina of british nick gibb coriw moor— patina of british nick gibb corby block ,_ patina of british nick gibb corby block , corby . robinson . corby block, corby. robinson. wow— corby block, corby. robinson. wow im— corby block, corby. robinson. wow in case— corby block, corby. robinson. now in case you— corby block, corby. robinson. now in case you missed- corby block, corby. robinson. now in case you missed that, this is exactly what dr. abbasi said he said, you guys already know there is an evil politician in and his name is farage. he is a news presenter and news reporter on sky news, where he got that bit wrong. it's gb news, but never mind. and the brexit movement was led by him. the movement that kicked britain out of the european union. he is the one who opposed me and he used the entire jewish lobby to conspire against me even after that, we still held four meetings successfully . he then meetings successfully. he then threatened the police during the london event to perform a long march against me . we postponed march against me. we postponed the event after the police asked us and came back. the jews have failed to implement it. their conspiracy. well, dr. abbasi , conspiracy. well, dr. abbasi, i've been accused of many things before, but working with the

so—called jewish lobby has not in the past been one of them. but my thought, my big debate tonight on this is how did the home office give man home office give this man a visa.7 give me your thoughts, please. farage at gb news .com and i'm joined by gb news news investigates. reporter charlie peters and charlie whilst he was here, he appeared to make friends with 1 or 2 local politicians as that's right . politicians as that's right. we've broken a story just in the iam— we've broken a story just in the iaei couple— we've broken a story just in the iaei eowoie oi— we've broken a story just in the last couple of hours that inaya awaiwiiam— last couple of hours that inaya ayatullah abbasi _ last couple of hours that inaya ayatullah abbasi was hosted in the northampton— ayatullah abbasi was hosted in the northampton guildhall by a iaiowr— the northampton guildhall by a labour councillor— the northampton guildhall by a labour councillor by the name of imam— labour councillor by the name of imam haq— labour councillor by the name of imam waa om— labour councillor by the name of imam war or me— labour councillor by the name of inam haq on the 16th of june. he described— inam haq on the 16th of june. he described ii— inam haq on the 16th of june. he described it as— inam haq on the 16th of june. he described it as a— inam haq on the 16th of june. he described it as a momentous ami— described it as a momentous occasion and a— described it as a momentous occasion and a great pleasure for me— occasion and a great pleasure for the labour— occasion and a great pleasure for the labour councillor. he said— for the labour councillor. he said mai— for the labour councillor. he said that mr— for the labour councillor. he said that mr abbasi was a prominent— said that mr abbasi was a prominent cleric and a highly reepeeiei— prominent cleric and a highly respected scholar of the islamic iaiim — respected scholar of the islamic iaiim wow— respected scholar of the islamic faith. now when— respected scholar of the islamic faith. now when i— respected scholar of the islamic faith. now when i put it to mr hakim,— faith. now when i put it to mr wawim, me— faith. now when i put it to mr hakim, the labour party, that mie— hakim, the labour party, that imie mam— hakim, the labour party, that imie wa— hakim, the labour party, that this man was an— hakim, the labour party, that this man was an extremist using oi— this man was an extremist using of me— this man was an extremist using some of the quotes— this man was an extremist using some of the quotes you've read out some of the quotes you've read om aireaiw— some of the quotes you've read out already, indeed, the man eaiiei— out already, indeed, the man eaiiei for— out already, indeed, the man called for the— out already, indeed, the man called for the beheading of airmai— called for the beheading of ahmadi muslims and non—muslims aire— ahmadi muslims and non—muslims aiiwe. mew— ahmadi muslims and non—muslims aiiwe. mew-io— ahmadi muslims and non—muslims alike. they-to me— ahmadi muslims and non—muslims alike. they to me that they alike. they said to me that they mew—

alike. they said to me that they mew reieeiei— alike. they said to me that they they rejected - his _ alike. they said to me that they they rejected his views in they rejected his his views in me— they rejected his his views in the strongest— they rejected his his views in the strongest possible terms and imaam— the strongest possible terms and imaam haq— the strongest possible terms and imaam waa aieo— the strongest possible terms and imaan haq also claimed that he ioiaiiw— imaan haq also claimed that he was totally unaware of his aimorrem— was totally unaware of his abhorrent views, which seems a remarwaiie— abhorrent views, which seems a remarkable claim _ abhorrent views, which seems a remarkable claim considering how mam— remarkable claim considering how mweir ire— remarkable claim considering how mweir ire wae— remarkable claim considering how much he was lauding him and his prormmeme— much he was lauding him and his prominence earlier— much he was lauding him and his prominence earlier in the month . woeiei— prominence earlier in the month . woeiei im— prominence earlier in the month . hosted in the— prominence earlier in the month . hosted in the guildhall . he . hosted in the guildhall. he wim— . hosted in the guildhall. he came with an— . hosted in the guildhall. he came with an entourage and i mimi— came with an entourage and i mimk wirai-e— came with an entourage and i think what's been— came with an entourage and i think what's been very ewmrieimg— think what's been very surprising is- think what's been very surprising is that even though wrough— surprising is that even though we've through reports , seen so we've through reports, seen so many— we've through reports, seen so many eweme— we've through reports, seen so many events cancelled leicester ami— many events cancelled leicester and error— many events cancelled leicester and iwiom ami— many events cancelled leicester and luton and in— many events cancelled leicester and luton and in london as well mai— and luton and in london as well mar ire— and luton and in london as well mar ire wae— and luton and in london as well , that he was able— and luton and in london as well , that he was able to put on so many— , that he was able to put on so many successfully.— , that he was able to put on so many successfully. indeed it reme— many successfully. indeed it seems using local support from iriemie— seems using local support from iriemie eome— seems using local support from friends some of— seems using local support from friends some of them it appears in high— friends some of them it appears in high oiaeee— friends some of them it appears in high places. and what conclusion— in high places. and what conclusion and the big picture mere,— conclusion and the big picture here, charlie— conclusion and the big picture here, charlie what conclusion do we drawe— here, charlie what conclusion do we draw — here, charlie what conclusion do we draw i— here, charlie what conclusion do we draw? i mean,— here, charlie what conclusion do we draw? i mean, if- here, charlie what conclusion do we draw? " �*" c15 \. we draw? i mean, if that gb news viewer had not sent me an email, i genuinely wonder whether this chap would have completed the whole tour and nobody would have known. how much of this is going on. any idea? well, on. do we have any idea? well, we've seen in recent— zxr" izzr 3“ well, we've seen in recent recent eeek— we've seen in recent recent weeks, there's— we've seen in recent recent weeks, there's been some reports from— weeks, there's been some reports from-henry— weeks, there's been some reports from - henry jackson- weeks, there's been some reports from henry jackson society from the henry jackson society abom— from the henry jackson society about-number-

from the henry jackson society about number islamist about a large number of islamist oreaeirere— about a large number of islamist preachers existing— about a large number of islamist preachers existing the uk. preachers existing in the uk. ami— preachers existing in the uk. amalioee— preachers existing in the uk. and does appear that the home and it does appear that the home office— and it does appear that the home office-ai— and it does appear that the home omiee-ai me — and it does appear that the home office-at the wheel- and it does appear that the home office at the wheel on office is asleep at the wheel on mie— office is asleep at the wheel on rime-mai— office is asleep at the wheel on this-that people- office is asleep at the wheel on this that people are this issue and that people are are— this issue and that people are able lorganise_ this issue and that people are able organise these tours and able to organise these tours and weee— able to organise these tours and iireee eoeawime— able to organise these tours and these speaking without these speaking occasions without a—oi— a significant amount of owereiem— a significant amount of owereigm .— a significant amount of oversight. in- a significant amount of oversight . in short, are oversight. in short, there are so oversight. in short, there are eo mamw— oversight. in short, there are so many-track— oversight. in short, there are so many track and they're not so many to track and they're not doing— so many to track and they're not doinglparticularly_ so many to track and they're not doing particularly job of doing a particularly good job of it. doing a particularly good job of ii. -iirew-re— doing a particularly good job of ii.-imew-re im- it. and once they're in the gowemmem— it. and once they're in the government approach to be government approach seems to be as government approach seems to be -ei— government approach seems to be -ei mie— government approach seems to be -ei imie aee— government approach seems to be as-in this case, we'll- as it was in this case, we'll iwei— as it was in this case, we'll we wait— as it was in this case, we'll just wait-them- as it was in this case, we'll just wait them to go home. just wait for them to go home. ami— just wait for them to go home. ami ii— just wait for them to go home. ami ii ee— just wait for them to go home. and if gb news— just wait for them to go home. and if gb news hadn't got in rower— and if gb news hadn't got in ioweir wim— and if gb news hadn't got in touch with these— and if gb news hadn't got in touch with these venues and the ooiiee— touch with these venues and the ooiiee ami— touch with these venues and the police and concerned local ooiiiieiame— politicians, some of them labour wie— politicians, some of them labour wee-aei,— politicians, some of them labour wee-aria mem- politicians, some of them labour mps,-add, then i- politicians, some of them labour mps, add, then i don't mps, i should add, then i don't mimi— mps, i should add, then i don't mink-ire— mps, i should add, then i don't think-he-have- mps, i should add, then i don't think he have been think that he would have been aire— think that he would have been aiielire— think that he would have been able . he would _ think that he would have been able he would have been able to he would have been happily— able to he would have been happily aire— able to he would have been happily able to_ able to he would have been happily able to continue his roar. — happily able to continue his roar. mar-e— happily able to continue his tour. that's-i- happily able to continue his tour. that's i agree, tour. that's what i agree, cmariie. — charlie. it's been great teamwork gb we're teamwork by gb news and we're going to keep on this case. i'm joined now by chris phillips, former head the national former head of the national counter security counter terrorism security office. many questions office. chris so many questions here. why, how is it here. how what why, how is it possible? because this guy wasn't coming on holiday for a fortnight. he was coming for an advertised speaking tour and he would had to have filled in a visa application . what's going visa application. what's going on? and that visa application would have gone through the

foreign and commonwealth office in bangladesh . and this person in bangladesh. and this person iem-i— in bangladesh. and this person iem-i eomeoe— in bangladesh. and this person isn't someone that's— " 3: and this person isn't someone that's below the ewraeei imie— isn't someone that's below the surface. this is— isn't someone that's below the surface. this is a— isn't someone that's below the surface. this is a person that's owi— surface. this is a person that's om mere— surface. this is a person that's out there expressing these views. they're— out there expressing these views. they're across the meme.— views. they're across the internet. it's— views. they're across the internet. it'sjust views. they're across the internet. it's just a astounding mai— internet. it's just a astounding that were— internet. it's just a astounding that we're allowing people with imoee— that we're allowing people with imoee kimo— that we're allowing people with those kind of— that we're allowing people with those kind of views into our country— those kind of views into our eowmrw .— those kind of views into our eowmiw . we— those kind of views into our country . we and- those kind of views into our country . we and i mean, it is country. we and i mean, it is good— country. we and i mean, it is good work— country. we and i mean, it is good work from _ country. we and i mean, it is good work from to gb news pick this good work from to gb news pick imie we.— good work from to gb news pick imie we. ear— good work from to gb news pick we we. em me— good work from to gb news pick this up. but the question i've got— this up. but the question i've eoi ae— this up. but the question i've goi ae weii— this up. but the question i've goi ae weii ie— this up. but the question i've got as well is the— this up. but the question i've got as well is the whole prevent eiraiegw— got as well is the whole prevent eiraiegw ie— got as well is the whole prevent strategy is about— got as well is the whole prevent strategy is about stopping these people— strategy is about stopping these people irom — strategy is about stopping these people from infecting our youths and or— people from infecting our youths and ami— people from infecting our youths and our and our— people from infecting our youths and our and our people across me— and our and our people across me eowmrw — and our and our people across the country. and— and our and our people across the country. and this is a eomoieie— the country. and this is a complete failure. and i don't i ion-i— complete failure. and i don't i don't understand— complete failure. and i don't i don't understand it. and i think many— don't understand it. and i think many more questions need to be put many more questions need to be our iowarie— many more questions need to be put towards the— many more questions need to be put towards the government . put towards the government. weii. — put towards the government. weii. mae— put towards the government. well, thus far— put towards the government. well, thus far we— put towards the government. well, thus far we have- put towards the government. well, thus far we have asked the home office several times what's going on and they've responded. we don't to individual we don't answer to individual cases. we're getting the same from the police forces. and we have got some folks in. so in time, we may find out some answers . i mean, the cleric answers. i mean, the cleric himself does say that ultimately it was the police that called

the tour off. but it's all shrouded in secrecy, isn't it? yeah and you've got these big eweme— yeah and you've got these big eweme ami— yeah and you've got these big events and there— “is?" and you've got these big events and there will be lots of emaiier— events and there will be lots of smaller events _ events and there will be lots of smaller events taking place as weir— smaller events taking place as weii. so— smaller events taking place as weii. so we— smaller events taking place as well. so we don't— smaller events taking place as well. so we don't know exactly mow— well. so we don't know exactly how mam— well. so we don't know exactly how many oi— well. so we don't know exactly how many of those have actually happened— how many of those have actually happened .— how many of those have actually happened . ewe— how many of those have actually happened . but this whole group happened. but this whole group of happened. but this whole group oi people— happened. but this whole group oi people mai— happened. but this whole group of people that want to infect oiirere— of people that want to infect oiirere io — of people that want to infect others to commit terror is eomeimime— others to commit terror is something that's been going on for many— something that's been going on for many yeae — something that's been going on for many years. and i thought quire— for many years. and i thought owiie wromgiy— for many years. and i thought owiie wromgiy, ii— for many years. and i thought quite wrongly, it seems that the govermmem— quite wrongly, it seems that the government had— quite wrongly, it seems that the government had actually stopped imem — government had actually stopped iirem coming— government had actually stopped them coming im— government had actually stopped them coming in. we've still got our them coming in. we've still got fair— them coming in. we've still got our own fair share— them coming in. we've still got our own fair share in the uk. iei-e— our own fair share in the uk. iei-e moi,— our own fair share in the uk. iei-e moi, you— our own fair share in the uk. let's not, you know, plenty here to let's not, you know, plenty here io worry— let's not, you know, plenty here io worry about.— let's not, you know, plenty here io worry about — let's not, you know, plenty here to worry about. and- let's not, you know, plenty here to worry about. ' i: to worry about. and the point folks, is for you at home, remember there is not an ounce of hypocrisy in this. we believe in free speech and open debate. we hate cancel culture, but equally, we can't abide incitement of violence, which very clearly some of these earlier comments were, chris, you've worked in this area. you've studied this sort of thing for many, many years. how dangerous potentially are charismatic preachers like this? well if you look at some of the

other preachers that have really influenced people, one person we won't go into names but has influenced so many people to commit terrorist attacks and we've got lee rigby that's been killed. we've got the attack in in manchester,— killed. we've got the attack in in manchester, one— air: we've got the attack in in manchester, one individual, 1 or in manchester, one individual,1 or 2— in manchester, one individual,1 or 2 individuals— in manchester, one individual, 1 or 2 individuals that go along wim— or 2 individuals that go along wiiir mie— or 2 individuals that go along with this person's type of preaching— with this person's type of preaching can— with this person's type of preaching can kill many hundreds of preaching can kill many hundreds oi oeoiie. — preaching can kill many hundreds oi people- ami— preaching can kill many hundreds of people. and this— preaching can kill many hundreds of people. and this is something mai— of people. and this is something imai i— of people. and this is something imai i mommi— of people. and this is something that i thought we— of people. and this is something that i thought we were really maime— that i thought we were really making eome— that i thought we were really making some movements on to eiom — making some movements on to eiom iri— making some movements on to eiom iwi ii— making some movements on to stop. but it appears not. “43?" stop. but it appears not. yeah, wen.— stop. but it appears not. yeah, weii. oeriamiy— stop. but it appears not. yeah, well, certainly the— stop. but it appears not. yeah, well, certainly the source that that pointed this particular gentleman out to us says there are several more that have been over the course of the last year and now going be very and we're now going to be very much alert and doing what we much on alert and doing what we can stop those going ahead. much on alert and doing what we can youtop those going ahead. much on alert and doing what we can you mentionedoing ahead. much on alert and doing what we can you mentioned the ahead. much on alert and doing what we can you mentioned the fact ad. much on alert and doing what we can you mentioned the fact that but you mentioned the fact that you know, we don't need anybody coming and adding the number coming and adding to the number we had. i mean, you we have not had. i mean, you know, fingers that we've know, fingers crossed that we've not that series of not suffered that series of islamic extremist problems or terrorist outrages over the course of the last few years.

and i think we attribute that to the security services and the police in this country. but how big you said earlier on, we already have a significant problem here. how big is it here? well, i think the numbers quoted by the police over the years have been 40,000 people in the country that they're concerned about. you know, that's concerned about. you know, imai-e a— concerned about. you know, imai-e a mage— you know, that's a huge number. now, oiwioweiy— that's a huge number. now, obviously, most— that's a huge number. now, obviously, most of those would not obviously, most of those would moiliiieiy— obviously, most of those would moiliiieiyliii— obviously, most of those would not-likelyltip over- obviously, most of those would not likely tip over into not be likely to tip over into eommiiiime— not be likely to tip over into committing terrorist attack. committing a terrorist attack. iri— committing a terrorist attack. iii-ioni— committing a terrorist attack. but-don't need- committing a terrorist attack. but don't need very many but you don't need very many 1 or 2. — but you don't need very many 1 or 2. aeiwaiiy— but you don't need very many 1 or 2. actually, three is a ieimai— or 2. actually, three is a ieiirai .— or 2. actually, three is a lethal . and— or 2. actually, three is a lethal . and we've seen it in lethal. and we've seen it in manchester. _ lethal. and we've seen it in manchester. we've seen it in other— manchester. we've seen it in other locations. _ manchester. we've seen it in other locations. as you know, mere-e— other locations. as you know, mere-e very— other locations. as you know, there's very little— other locations. as you know, there's very little the police io— there's very little the police can do once someone with that aim — can do once someone with that aim mai— can do once someone with that aim imai mai— can do once someone with that aim that that aim— can do once someone with that aim that that aim to go and kill people— aim that that aim to go and kill people mae— aim that that aim to go and kill people has actually got that in their— people has actually got that in their mime. — people has actually got that in their mind. they— people has actually got that in their mind. they then switch to going— their mind. they then switch to going io— their mind. they then switch to going to io— their mind. they then switch to going to to i.— their mind. they then switch to going to do it. and before you mow— going to do it. and before you know a,— going to do it. and before you know it, we've— going to do it. and before you know it, we've got a terrorist attack— know it, we've got a terrorist attack that's— know it, we've got a terrorist attack that's taken place. this is attack that's taken place. this ie happening— attack that's taken place. this is happening only in is happening not only in metamo— is happening not only in england,.the- is happening not only in england, the uk, by the way, england, in the uk, by the way, rioti— england, in the uk, by the way, right-you— england, in the uk, by the way, right-you think- england, in the uk, by the way, right-you think of- right across. if you think of rrae— right across. if you think of france, - have - right across. if you think of france, have bigger france, they have bigger oroiieme— france, they have bigger problems-we- france, they have bigger- problems-we-and problems than we have. and trey-re— problems than we have. and they're continuing have they're continuing to have ierroriei— they're continuing to have terrorist-well. j they're continuing to have- terrorist-well. and terrorist attacks as well. and you— terrorist attacks as well. and you cia— terrorist attacks as well. and you can attempt,— terrorist attacks as well. and you can attempt, can't to

you can attempt, can't you, to track people. can look for track people. you can look for keywords social media keywords on their social media messaging, but there is a limit, isn't there? well, there's a really small number of police officers engaged in the task of following these people about . following these people about. and you need you'd need thousands— and you need you'd need thousands of— and you need you'd need thousands of police officers. we maven-i— thousands of police officers. we irawem-i goi— thousands of police officers. we haven't got enough police oiiieere— haven't got enough police officers to— haven't got enough police officers to patrol our streets. so officers to patrol our streets. so-iirowem— officers to patrol our streets. so thought being able to so the thought of being able to monitor— so the thought of being able to monitor ami— so the thought of being able to monitor and keep— so the thought of being able to monitor and keep these people enter— monitor and keep these people enter wmier— monitor and keep these people under under check so that they amor— under under check so that they cannot commit— under under check so that they cannot commit a— under under check so that they cannot commit a terrorist attack is cannot commit a terrorist attack ie riiiewiowe— cannot commit a terrorist attack ie riiiewiowe .— cannot commit a terrorist attack is ridiculous . yes. _ cannot commit a terrorist attack is ridiculous . yes. 'r: �*" is ridiculous. yes. and a final thought. prevent the prevent program that is there to do sort of one on one in contact to try and stop people becoming more extreme and yet all i hear are repeated stories of failure within prevent. and worse still , a radicalisation taking place in prisons at a really alarming rate. yeah, and i think the omeom— yeah, and i think the prison population is a real proiiem— prison population is a real problem ior— prison population is a real problem for ,_ prison population is a real problem for , for policing, for problem for, for policing, for ierroriem— problem for, for policing, for terrorism because cause they're ierrorieie— terrorism because cause they're ierrorieie ,— terrorism because cause they're ierrorieie , you— terrorism because cause they're terrorists , you know, actually terrorists, you know, actually people— terrorists, you know, actually people mai— terrorists, you know, actually people that have been convicted of people that have been convicted oi ierroriei— people that have been convicted of terrorist attacks— people that have been convicted of terrorist attacks are away— of terrorist attacks are

actually now- of terrorist attacks are actually now coming back out omo— actually now coming back out onto me— actually now coming back out onto the streets— actually now coming back out onto the streets and on our eireeie— onto the streets and on our streets already— onto the streets and on our streets already having committed aierroriei— streets already having committed a terrorist attack. _ streets already having committed a terrorist attack. and i think irate— a terrorist attack. and i think mate a— a terrorist attack. and i think mate a big— a terrorist attack. and i think that's a big issue— a terrorist attack. and i think that's a big issue for society at ami— that's a big issue for society at and a— that's a big issue for society at and a mam— that's a big issue for society at and a man like this coming in ami— at and a man like this coming in and meeting— at and a man like this coming in and infecting another group of people— and infecting another group of oeooie ie— and infecting another group of ww“! ie mei— and infecting another group of people is just not what the ooiiee— people is just not what the ooiiee meet— people is just not what the police need and not what society meeei— police need and not what society meeei wo— police need and not what society meeei to, ie— police need and not what society needs. no, it's not.— police need and not what society needs. no, it's not. chris as tramw— needs. no, it's not. chris as ever, thank you _ needs. no, it's not. chris as ever, thank you for coming on ami— ever, thank you for coming on and helping— ever, thank you for coming on and helping we— ever, thank you for coming on and helping us with this debate. and and helping us with this debate. ami ite— and helping us with this debate. ami ii-e mi— and helping us with this debate. ami its not a— and helping us with this debate. and it's not a very— and helping us with this debate. and it's not a very cheery- and it's not a very cheery debate, i know, but better, is it not, that we as a challenger, broadcaster determined to tell stories that others don't tell better, that we've exposed this? and i have one promise to make to you. we will go on. we will go on trying to uncover every single case of this we find and it's back to you as it always is. we can't do this without you helping us and telling us what's going on. and i will do my utmost to answer as many of your emails as i possibly can. difficult at times , though, that difficult at times, though, that is in a moment. but difficult at times, though, that is in a moment . but let's find is in a moment. but let's find out what on earth happened over

the weekend in russia. was it rather like the grand old duke of york who marched his troops up to the top of the hill and down again and where on earth is vladimir putin? all of that in just a moment

just life across the uk. " just life across the uk. this is gb just life across the uk. this is as wowe— just life across the uk. this is gb news radio . so- just life across the uk. this is gb news radio. so i- just life across the uk. " cit \ 33: so i asked just life across the uk. " cit \ 3rir: so i asked you gb news radio. so i asked you mow— gb news radio. so i asked you how om— gb news radio. so i asked you how or earm— gb news radio. so i asked you how on earth did— gb news radio. so i asked you how on earth did the- cit \ 3rir: so i asked you how on earth did the home office give— how on earth did the home office giwe mie— how on earth did the home office giwe imie irate— how on earth did the home office give this hate preacher a visa? some— give this hate preacher a visa? some oi— give this hate preacher a visa? some oi year— give this hate preacher a visa? some of your thoughts- give this hate preacher a visa? some of your thoughts coming in. one viewer says the question is why is the media doing the investigative reporting that the government should be doing? i'm fine with the free speech of fools who believe in fairies and ghosts , but this is clearly ghosts, but this is clearly a tour of inciting hate and harm. actually the truth of it is that very often the media can do valuable jobs in exposing these things, and the media can actually be very helpful all to the home office and the police . the home office and the police. the odd thing about this case

over the last week is that neither the police forces nor the home office appear to even really want to talk to us, which i do find odd. another says the home office act against taxpayers . as allen says , how taxpayers. as allen says, how did he get a visa problem ? only did he get a visa problem? only someone working from home thought it was okay. hey, i'm sorry. i shouldn't laugh because it's much too serious to laugh , it's much too serious to laugh, but i get the point. the not fit for purpose. home office . we for purpose. home office. we were told that 15 years ago. not much seems to have changed now in crime. let's stick with crime extraordinarily . a report out extraordinarily. a report out says that from 2020, not a single personal vehicle or bike theft was solved by police in between half and two thirds of the 30,000 neighbourhoods in england and wales, according to an analysis of police data. let's just go through that again. let's get a handle on this. since 2020, not a single

personal vehicle or bike theft was solved by police in between half and two thirds of 30,000 neighbourhoods in england and wales . what on earth is going wales. what on earth is going on? some people are suggesting that effectively we have decriminalised small petty theft . that's if you think having your bike stolen is petty. i don't particularly . well, don't particularly. well, joining me to talk about this and what's wrong with this culture is shannon chaudhry, former detective superintendent at the metropolitan police. and somebody who's appeared just a few times on this show with me, shannon, is it that kind of crime has grown so much , the crime has grown so much, the types of crime being committed against the person , i think are against the person, i think are getting more serious in every way, and that the police simply haven't got time to look after things? i mean, 20, 30 years ago, you know, personal thefts, you would expect an officer to come and visit the house. this

doesn't happen anymore. does it? i think exactly what we did, wigei— i think exactly what we did, wigei ami— i think exactly what we did, nigel and that— i think exactly what we did, nigel and that was where we ieamei— nigel and that was where we ieamei or— nigel and that was where we learned our bread and butter iweimeee— learned our bread and butter business investigating crime, ioimg— business investigating crime, ioimg-eimoie- business investigating crime, doing simple and the doing the most simple and the iaeiee— doing the most simple and the basics-crime— doing the most simple and the basics-crime that- doing the most simple and the basics crime that actually basics of crime that actually mater— basics of crime that actually maiier moei— basics of crime that actually matter most to— basics of crime that actually matter most to members the matter most to members of the pattie— matter most to members of the patio. ami— matter most to members of the patio. ami i— matter most to members of the public. and i think— matter most to members of the public. and i think what's happened,— public. and i think what's happened, think was about happened, i think it was about zeis— happened, i think it was about ears-g..— happened, i think it was about 2015 the national crime 2015 when the national crime agency— 2015 when the national crime agency downgraded things like their,— agency downgraded things like gag, tite— agency downgraded things like theft, bike theft— agency downgraded things like theft, bike theft , vehicle theft, bike theft, vehicle crime, drugs— theft, bike theft, vehicle crime, drugs ,- theft, bike theft, vehicle crime, drugs , all those kinds of crime, drugs, all those kinds of crimes were downgraded because mere— crimes were downgraded because there were— crimes were downgraded because there more— crimes were downgraded because there were more concerned about ieaiimg— there were more concerned about ieaiimg wim— there were more concerned about dealing with cyber— there were more concerned about dealing with cyber crime, such as dealing with cyber crime, such ae ierroriei— dealing with cyber crime, such as terrorist activity, such as eewai— as terrorist activity, such as sexual offences— as terrorist activity, such as sexual offences or fraud. online rime— sexual offences or fraud. online iyoee— sexual offences or fraud. online crime types have— sexual offences or fraud. online crime types have definitely eiamgei— crime types have definitely changed without a shadow of a towin— changed without a shadow of a dorm, iri— changed without a shadow of a doubt, but unfortunately , doubt, but unfortunately, reeemiiy— doubt, but unfortunately, recently one— doubt, but unfortunately, recently one of the things that have — recently one of the things that have teem— recently one of the things that have been absolutely destroyed ooiieimg— have been absolutely destroyed poiieimg ie— have been absolutely destroyed poiieimg ie ime— have been absolutely destroyed policing is the lack of neighbourhood officers within ooiieimg— neighbourhood officers within policing neighbourhoods . \rirri policing neighbourhoods. now you say mai— policing neighbourhoods. now you say that you— policing neighbourhoods. now you say that you say— policing neighbourhoods. now you say that you say that, but there are some academic left of centre think tanks who say there is no evidence that police being on the streets makes any difference .yes. well,

the streets makes any difference . yes. well, i speak through eperiemee— . yes. well, i speak through experience. so— “it: well, i speak through experience. so your academic can say experience. so your academic can eay wiai— experience. so your academic can eay wirai trey— experience. so your academic can say what they like. _ experience. so your academic can say what they like. what i will say— say what they like. what i will eay io— say what they like. what i will eay to you— say what they like. what i will eay to you ie— say what they like. what i will say to you is having led neighbourhood policing , when we neighbourhood policing, when we had neighbourhood policing, when we mat-mumier— neighbourhood policing, when we had-number of- had sufficient number of oiiieere— had sufficient number of officers who— had sufficient number of officers who could go out and eeai— officers who could go out and ieai wim— officers who could go out and deal with investigate crimes deal with and investigate crimes mai— deal with and investigate crimes that were— deal with and investigate crimes that were given— deal with and investigate crimes that were given to— deal with and investigate crimes that were given to them, such as iurgiariee— that were given to them, such as iurgiariee .— that were given to them, such as burglaries , such— that were given to them, such as burglaries , such as— that were given to them, such as burglaries , such as thefts , such burglaries, such as thefts, such as burglaries, such as thefts, such ae a you— burglaries, such as thefts, such ae a, you mow,— burglaries, such as thefts, such as a, you know, a— burglaries, such as thefts, such as a, you know, a bike theft irom— as a, you know, a bike theft from somebody's- as a, you know, a bike theft from somebody's front garden or whatever— from somebody's front garden or wiraiewer .— from somebody's front garden or wiraiewer . wit— from somebody's front garden or whatever . all those types of whatever. all those types of crimes are no— whatever. all those types of crimes are no longer investigated because a lot of item — investigated because a lot of item mave— investigated because a lot of them have now— investigated because a lot of them have now been moved to iromiiime— them have now been moved to frontline policing— them have now been moved to frontline policing who deal with eriiieai— frontline policing who deal with critical incidents,— frontline policing who deal with critical incidents, who deal wit— critical incidents, who deal with significant number of memiai— with significant number of mental health— with significant number of mental health issues, who deal wit— mental health issues, who deal with violence— mental health issues, who deal with violence against women and girie— with violence against women and girie. so— with violence against women and girie. so om— with violence against women and girie. so or iot— with violence against women and girls. so on top of— with violence against women and girls. so on top of that, trey-re— girls. so on top of that, they're investigating the mental teatim— they're investigating the mental health-crimes,— they're investigating the mental health crimes, mental health issue crimes, the mental teatim— health issue crimes, the mental team-mem- health issue crimes, the mental ireaiiir-meai .- health issue crimes, the mental health-mean , severalj health issue. i mean, several police officers have spoken out recently this said, recently about this and said, look, we do what we look, you know, we do what we do. cant look, you know, we do what we do. can't social workers. do. we can't be social workers. we after mental we can't look after mental health that health patients. that is difficult, it? that's difficult, isn't it? that's really, really— r: ”wit e 7 that's really, really difficult because they— really, really difficult because they tom-i— really, really difficult because they don't-the - really, really difficult because they don't the experience. they don't have the experience. they— they don't have the experience. imey-irawe— they don't have the experience. imey-irawe ime — they don't have the experience. they have the training and they don't have the training and they— they don't have the training and imey—orl they don't have the capacity or they don't have the capacity or ime—oi- they don't have the capacity or ime—oi wmo- they don't have the capacity or the—of who is. the understanding of who is eiooi— the understanding of who is eiooi im— the understanding of who is stood in front— the understanding of who is stood in front of— the understanding of who is stood in front of them and how trey-re— stood in front of them and how they're actually— stood in front of them and how they're actually dealing with them. —a- they're actually dealing with. them._a partnership them. this needs a partnership

ami— them. this needs a partnership amt—approach.- and collaborative approach. i mow— and collaborative approach. i know commissioner, for know the met commissioner, for exampie— know the met commissioner, for exampieliiart— know the met commissioner, for example, mark rowley, example, sir mark rowley, has eaii— example, sir mark rowley, has said-september- example, sir mark rowley, has said september onwards said that from september onwards trey-re— said that from september onwards imey-reliomger— said that from september onwards they're longer going to deal said that from september onwards they'it. longer going to deal said that from september onwards they'it. you )nger going to deal said that from september onwards they'it. you can't going to deal said that from september onwards they'it. you can't just g to deal said that from september onwards they'it. you can't just drop deal said that from september onwards they'it. you can't just drop ital with it. you can't just drop it ieauee— with it. you can't just drop it becauseldoesn't- with it. you can't just drop it because doesn't work like because it doesn't work like mat.— because it doesn't work like mat-ii— because it doesn't work like that.-if-happeningj that. no. if it's happening there in front of you and exactly. but what actually maooeme— exactly. but what actually maooeme ie— exactly. but what actually happens is when- ffkirfifleg but what actually happens is when they're dealing wim— happens is when they're dealing wiiir-iyoee— happens is when they're dealing wiiir-iyoee oi— happens is when they're dealing with types of crimes, with those types of crimes, erimee-moi— with those types of crimes, crimes not being crimes are not being investigated. a of investigated. there's a lack of eoeriemee — investigated. there's a lack of experience—oil experience. there's a lack of euoerwieiom— experience. there's a lack of supervision,-are- experience. there's a lack of supervision, are closed supervision, crimes are closed as supervision, crimes are closed ae-ae trey— supervision, crimes are closed ae-ae they are- as quickly as they are investigated- as quickly as they are investigated or reports . and investigated or reports. and mere-e— investigated or reports. and mere-e a— investigated or reports. and there's a difference between reporting— there's a difference between reporiimg ami— there's a difference between reporting and investigating oiiieere— reporting and investigating officers need— reporting and investigating officers need to understand you mave— officers need to understand you have io— officers need to understand you have to investigate it, not report.— have to investigate it, not report. so— have to investigate it, not report. so we've downgrade , report. so we've downgrade, aiiei— report. so we've downgrade, added at— report. so we've downgrade, added all sorts— report. so we've downgrade, added all sorts of crimes. report. so we've downgrade, added all sorts of crimes . /rir added all sorts of crimes. you mow.— added all sorts of crimes. you know uruge— added all sorts of crimes. you know uruge .— added all sorts of crimes. you know, drugs , cannabis , vehicle know, drugs, cannabis, vehicle theft , the theft of things from theft, the theft of things from people's garden sheds, etcetera. and yet this is really interesting because because something else is going on here. this is the sort of theory of mine. but crime in england and wales , in the year ending wales, in the year ending december 20th, 22, showed that at the same time as as no crimes

were solved in 30,000 districts of england and wales, but at the same time, overall theft rate decreased by 20. it now i don't find one set of figures very consistent with the other set of figures because if your chances of being caught are now zero in up to two thirds of the districts of england and wales, that wouldn't put you off from doing it. and i'm just beginning to wonder now, i wonder whether the reason these numbers are down is that people have simply stopped reporting crime. i think there has does play a part in it, especially when you're talking about the basic crimes. and i like to say basic and i don't like to say basic crimes because— and i don't like to say basic crimes because the real to the irugeiy— crimes because the real to the irugeiy impact— crimes because the real to the irugeiy imoaei om— crimes because the real to the hugely impact on the members of the hugely impact on the members of me tuitio— hugely impact on the members of the public, because— hugely impact on the members of the public, because really, the public, because it's really, you—io- the public, because it's really, you—to them-i the public, because it's really,- you—io them. but you know, important to them. but i you know, important to them. but i-iirai.— you know, important to them. but i-iirai-iait— you know, important to them. but i-that. -talk about- i think that. let's talk about me— i think that. let's talk about ime-rmeme— i think that. let's talk about ime-meme .— i think that. let's talk about the .thefts , for- i think that. let's talk about the thefts , for example, the bike thefts, for example, mai— the bike thefts, for example, mat-moi- the bike thefts, for example, that not reported . that are being not reported. wumier— that are being not reported. wumier ome— that are being not reported. number one, suggest that number one, i suggest that mere-e— number one, i suggest that imere-e—oil there's serious number of under—reporting of bike theft.

wumier— under—reporting of bike theft. wumier two,— under—reporting of bike theft. number two, i— under—reporting of bike theft. number two, i would suspect that a toi— number two, i would suspect that a ioi oi— number two, i would suspect that a ioi oi iioee— number two, i would suspect that a lot of those are— number two, i would suspect that a lot of those are actually eoiwei— a lot of those are actually eoiwei .— a lot of those are actually solved , are— a lot of those are actually solved , are solved by the solved, are solved by the wieiime— solved, are solved by the victims themselves who go out ami— victims themselves who go out and trey-ii— victims themselves who go out and they'll view— victims themselves who go out and they'll view cctv, they'll go out, — and they'll view cctv, they'll go out, investigate the crime iirei— go out, investigate the crime egg, ami— go out, investigate the crime first, and then— go out, investigate the crime first, and then they'll go and mama— first, and then they'll go and mama ooiiee— first, and then they'll go and hand police officers a package to hand police officers a package io-i-we— hand police officers a package io-i-we-yourl to say, look, i've done your work— to say, look, i've done your wort-you.— to say, look, i've done your work-you. and- to say, look, i've done your work-you. and i- to say, look, i've done your work you. and i think people work for you. and i think people do work for you. and i think people to gei— work for you. and i think people do get frustrated— work for you. and i think people do get frustrated by that. they do get frustrated by that. they io gei— do get frustrated by that. they to get iei— do get frustrated by that. they to get iei ug— do get frustrated by that. they do get fed up with it. there's a huge— do get fed up with it. there's a huge-oi— do get fed up with it. there's a huge of confidence within huge lack of confidence within poiieimg — huge lack of confidence within ooiieimgliire— huge lack of confidence within policing the moment. policing at the moment. so people— policing at the moment. so mode—ime- policing at the moment. so. people _the police, people don't trust the police, wireiirer— people don't trust the police, whether-think- people don't trust the police, whether think this is going whether they think this is going to.investigated_ whether they think this is going to.investigated or- whether they think this is going to investigated or not. and to be investigated or not. and i mimi— to be investigated or not. and i think-conversation- think the conversation we're having— think the conversation we're mawimg—aiouil having earlier on is about does ime— having earlier on is about does we impact— having earlier on is about does this impact-your— having earlier on is about does this impact your insurance? this impact on your insurance? iii-i— this impact on your insurance? im-i ime— this impact on your insurance? im-i iiie tie— this impact on your insurance? isn't this the problem- this impact on your insurance? isn't this the problem lyou . isn't this the problem if you report a series of thefts that have taken place from your property , you're going to face property, you're going to face a problem with your insurance premium? better not to report it at all? well, i think some reorie— at all? well, i think some people oroiaiiy- 7 well, i think some people probably think that, but aieo— people probably think that, but aieo-ioot— people probably think that, but also-look-weigh- people probably think that, but also look weigh up the also they look they weigh up the aiwamiagee — also they look they weigh up the advantages, disadvantages, advantages, the disadvantages, wireiirer— whether there's going to be, you mow,— whether there's going to be, you know,-consuming,- know, it's time consuming, wireiirer—gol know, it's time consuming,| whether—go to know, it's time consuming,- whether_go to court whether they have to go to court in order— whether they have to go to court in order io— whether they have to go to court in order to have— whether they have to go to court in order to have these persons irougiri— in order to have these persons brought-justice. - in order to have these persons brought justice. �*fw�*riee �*7 brought to justice. well, if i just— brought to justice. well, if i just think of my own family and friends over the course of the last the numbers that last few years, the numbers that have been impacted sort

have been impacted by this sort of just astonishing. of crimes is just astonishing. if had a magic wand , what if you had a magic wand, what would you do? is it the return of genuine policing? of genuine community policing? 100% support 100% police community support oiiieerei— 100% police community support officers? neighbourhood policing meeie— officers? neighbourhood policing meeieio— officers? neighbourhood policing meeie to ie— officers? neighbourhood policing needs to be uplifted very , very needs to be uplifted very, very guietiy. — needs to be uplifted very, very guietiy. ami— needs to be uplifted very, very quickly. and actually crimes meee— quickly. and actually crimes meee io— quickly. and actually crimes meet to ie— quickly. and actually crimes need to be given back to those oiiieere— need to be given back to those oiiieere io— need to be given back to those officers to investigate so that iromiiime— officers to investigate so that frontline officers— officers to investigate so that frontline officers can deal with the frontline officers can deal with me eerioue— frontline officers can deal with the serious crimes— frontline officers can deal with the serious crimes such as eriiieai— the serious crimes such as critical incidents, murder, eiaiiimge— critical incidents, murder, stabbings, gangs, all that kind of stabbings, gangs, all that kind oi eiuii— stabbings, gangs, all that kind oi eiuii .— stabbings, gangs, all that kind oi eiuii , eo— stabbings, gangs, all that kind of stuff , so that— stabbings, gangs, all that kind of stuff , so that neighbourhood of stuff, so that neighbourhood ooiiee— of stuff, so that neighbourhood police—actually- police officers can actually tomo— police officers can actually iomi wim— police officers can actually bond with the _ police officers can actually bond with the community and away— bond with the community and actually build— bond with the community and actually build that trust and eomiiiemee— actually build that trust and confidence sounds like common actually build that trust and confidto:e sounds like common actually build that trust and confidto me. nds like common actually build that trust and confidto me. 53733’33’7�*dmm0n actually build that trust and confidto me. '~;frmon actually build that trust and confidto me. sense to me. shabnam as ever, thank for coming in. in a thank you for coming in. in a moment, we will have a look at that coup attempt over that russian coup attempt over the weekend. what really happened ? does anybody actually happened? does anybody actually know

be gb news the people's channel. britain's news . channel well, britain's news. channel well, saturday's news was- saturday's news was extraordinary, wasn't it? the wagmer— extraordinary, wasn't it? the wagmer group— extraordinary, wasn't it? the wagner group have suddenly gone rogue— wagner group have suddenly gone rogue turmeri— wagner group have suddenly gone rogue, turned against russia, ami— rogue, turned against russia, and were— rogue, turned against russia, and there they— rogue, turned against russia, and there they were calling out

purim-e— and there they were calling out iuiim-e war— and there they were calling out putin's war, taking over rostov ami— putin's war, taking over rostov and mowing— putin's war, taking over rostov and mowing om— putin's war, taking over rostov and moving on moscow. and euiiemiy— and moving on moscow. and euiiemiy ime— and moving on moscow. and suddenly the whole things off ami— suddenly the whole things off and me— suddenly the whole things off and the tanks— suddenly the whole things off and the tanks turn around worthy like and the tanks turn around worthy iiie ime— and the tanks turn around worthy tie the grant— and the tanks turn around worthy like the grand old— and the tanks turn around worthy like the grand old duke of york. wett— like the grand old duke of york. war, they— like the grand old duke of york. well, they marched up to the top of well, they marched up to the top oi the — well, they marched up to the top oi the iii— well, they marched up to the top of the hill and— well, they marched up to the top of the hill and back down again. where— of the hill and back down again. wirere ie— of the hill and back down again. where is president— of the hill and back down again. where is president putin and wrai— where is president putin and wirai ioee— where is president putin and wirai ioee ii— where is president putin and what does it all— where is president putin and what does it all mean for ieueeiai— what does it all mean for russia? well,— what does it all mean for russia? well, james gates, a iormer— russia? well, james gates, a former naval— russia? well, james gates, a former naval officer and now working— former naval officer and now working wim— former naval officer and now working with project working with special project partnere— working with special project oarimere .— working with special project partners , joins— working with special project partners , joins me. i think, partners, joins me. i think, iamee— partners, joins me. i think, james, we need- partners, joins me. i think, james, we need to be honest with people— james, we need to be honest with oeooie ai— james, we need to be honest with people at me— james, we need to be honest with people at the outset. i think it was more here. _ people at the outset. i think it was more here. we don't know imam— was more here. we don't know team we— was more here. we don't know team we to— was more here. we don't know than we do know. _ was more here. we don't know than we do know. �*fw�*riee l: than we do know. well, as donald rumsfeld would have said, there are plenty known unknowns are plenty of known unknowns here, i mean, look , to be here, nigel. i mean, look, to be perfectly honest, i am not going to the speculation that to add to the speculation that is amongst is rife today amongst analysts with regard to what is happening in russia. the real truth about thatis in russia. the real truth about that is there is a handful that is that there is a handful of thugs in the most part who know what's going on and the rest is pure speculation and prigozhin far from being i mean, he said we're being treated like liberators, but i mean, this guy is a pretty brutal bloke, isn't

he? oh, absolutely. and it it merits saying and this is absolutely a point of truth that pmqs exist . private military pmqs exist. private military companies exist . and it's not companies exist. and it's not just wagner. there are more than 20, you know, according to the state department, they exist to fulfil a specific purpose . and fulfil a specific purpose. and that purpose is that trust . that that purpose is that trust. that is a commodity in very short supply, in an autocratic regime such as russia . and in its such as russia. and in its absence , a sort of mutual absence, a sort of mutual destruction system has developed in which the pmcs play their part in regulating the power of the military and regulating the power of the oligarchs. in many cases who own those pmcs . and of cases who own those pmcs. and of course, sitting on top of all of it, like some grand master is putin himself, wherever he could be. yeah. and putin, of course, who-e— be. yeah. and putin, of course, wiro-e ueei— be. yeah. and putin, of course, who's used wagner— yeah. and putin, of course, who's used wagner in africa , in who's used wagner in africa, in syru— who's used wagner in africa, in syria. i— who's used wagner in africa, in syria. i meam— who's used wagner in africa, in syria. i mean, they've done a lot syria. i mean, they've done a ioi oi— syria. i mean, they've done a lot of putin's— syria. i mean, they've done a lot of putin's dirty work over me— lot of putin's dirty work over me yeare — lot of putin's dirty work over the years. and— lot of putin's dirty work over the years. and it— lot of putin's dirty work over the years. and it looked on saiuriay,— the years. and it looked on saturday, although those very reorie— saturday, although those very same people were coming back to bite same people were coming back to tire—ae—

same people were coming back to iiie—ae we— same people were coming back to iiie—ae we were- bite him. well, as we were eoeawimg— bite him. well, as we were speaking about— bite him. well, as we were speaking about earlier, i mean, ime— speaking about earlier, i mean, imiela— speaking about earlier, i mean, iiriela mater— speaking about earlier, i mean, this-a matter of— speaking about earlier, i mean, this a matter of perception. this is a matter of perception. twee— this is a matter of perception. twee exist— this is a matter of perception. pmqs exist almost— this is a matter of perception. pmqs exist almost primarily , pmqs exist almost primarily, notwithstanding the fact that this is a very kinetic campaign, which is sadly led to the loss of life of many young men and women. but the fact is, is that these private military contractors have indeed been used and are still be being used in, as you say, in mali , where in, as you say, in mali, where they've replaced french influence in madagascar, where they had a role in seeking to reimpose a regime and in many other areas besides in the balkans, even within the eu, you see potential activities on the periphery of the eu in countries such as bulgaria , where pmqs are such as bulgaria, where pmqs are peripherally involved , involved. peripherally involved, involved. now pagosa is off to belarus. as for now pagosa is off to belarus. as ior purim-e— now pagosa is off to belarus. as for putin's whereabouts , we just for putin's whereabouts, we just tom-i— for putin's whereabouts, we just iom-i mow. — for putin's whereabouts, we just iom-i know do— for putin's whereabouts, we just don't know. do we— for putin's whereabouts, we just don't know. do we know ? “riii don't know. do we know? there's no understanding as to where he is. and in many ways that's that's actually not what's relevant right now. you know,

back to your your former question. we don't know whether the activities of saturday are anything from a failed coup through to part of a disinformation campaign . and disinformation campaign. and it's very important that we all, as viewers , as citizens, as as viewers, as citizens, as practitioners, recognise that these are highly competent operatives in the field of disinformation. there is some treating— disinformation. there is some ireatimg newe— disinformation. there is some breaking news putin's- r: there is some breaking news putin's personal, purim-e— breaking news putin's personal, putin's putin's— breaking news putin's personal, putin's putin's press office has eaii— putin's putin's press office has eaii mai— putin's putin's press office has said that putin's— putin's putin's press office has said that putin's going to make a oi— said that putin's going to make a series of personal statements iaier— a series of personal statements iaier ioiay. — a series of personal statements iaier today. we— a series of personal statements later today. we may know a time— later today. we may know a iiiiie iii— later today. we may know a little bit more— later today. we may know a little bit more later on today, tui— little bit more later on today, but me— little bit more later on today, but the consensus, james, is mai— but the consensus, james, is that iuiim— but the consensus, james, is that putin is— but the consensus, james, is that putin is weakened by the eeei— that putin is weakened by the eeei oi— that putin is weakened by the events of saturday. that must be true— events of saturday. that must be true . — events of saturday. that must be true . wait.— events of saturday. that must be true . well, it's— events of saturday. that must be true . well, it's one— events of saturday. that must be true . e true. well, it's one potential outcome, but it's not guaranteed. but it's not guaranteed. but it's not guaranteed. i mean, look at what's happened today. you mentioned this breaking news while on there. but at the while we're on there. but at the same time, we started the day with potentially library pictures of the defence minister visiting a location which has been identified as being within the special military operation

zone. but we don't know when it actually took place. no. and then you have announcements , of then you have announcements, of course. it's obviously very significant that the defence minister himself appeared in this. yes, you know, by means of messaging, yes. it's been a day of messaging and this information merely last information is merely the last section. and we've got we've got eomeo—i— section. and we've got we've got some _of british - some footage here of british ieie— some footage here of british ieie-iiaet— some footage here of british jets-black sea- some footage here of british jets black sea that we jets in the black sea that we cam-you— jets in the black sea that we cam-you ami- jets in the black sea that we can -you and, you - jets in the black sea that we can you and, you know, were can show you and, you know, were they— can show you and, you know, were they were— can show you and, you know, were they trey— can show you and, you know, were they imey im— can show you and, you know, were they were they in going into ieueeiam— they were they in going into russian airspace? i don't know wirai-e— russian airspace? i don't know wirai-e goimg— russian airspace? i don't know wirai-e goimg om— russian airspace? i don't know what's going on and what to ieiiewe— what's going on and what to believe. quite— what's going on and what to believe. quite frankly, right oo— believe. quite frankly, right iio youi— believe. quite frankly, right iio youi — believe. quite frankly, right now. do you? �*vw�*riee e now. do you? well, it's important to recognise that nato patrols borders patrols nato's borders irrespective of what's happening in and done in ukraine and has done throughout the history of nato. yeah, . imean, throughout the history of nato. yeah, . i mean, this is this yeah, yeah. i mean, this is this is yeah, yeah. i mean, this is this ie-a— yeah, yeah. i mean, this is this ie-a newe— yeah, yeah. i mean, this is this is-a news event— / i mean, this is this is a news event because of is only a news event because of what— is only a news event because of wirai happened— is only a news event because of what happened on— is only a news event because of what happened on saturday. now, iimai— what happened on saturday. now, iimai tig— what happened on saturday. now, final big thought— what happened on saturday. now, final big thought on all of tie— final big thought on all of tie ami— final big thought on all of this. and really, think this. and really, i think rather imporiami— this. and really, i think rather imporiami io— this. and really, i think rather important to china is playing a bigger— important to china is playing a bigger ami— important to china is playing a bigger and bigger role and has a bigger— bigger and bigger role and has a bigger ami— bigger and bigger role and has a bigger and bigger— bigger and bigger role and has a bigger and bigger influence in iiueeia— bigger and bigger influence in ieueeia. wou— bigger and bigger influence in russia. you know, the more eamiome— russia. you know, the more eamiiome we— russia. you know, the more sanctions we put on mr putin, ime— sanctions we put on mr putin, me more— sanctions we put on mr putin, ime ire— sanctions we put on mr putin, the more he sought new markets .

the more he sought new markets. eiwioueiy— the more he sought new markets. obviously, logically, no eumriee— obviously, logically, no surprise in— obviously, logically, no surprise in any of that. and twe— surprise in any of that. and i've wondered— surprise in any of that. and i've wondered over the course of the i've wondered over the course of me iaei— i've wondered over the course of me iaei couple— i've wondered over the course of the last couple of— i've wondered over the course of the last couple of months wireiirer— the last couple of months whether almost that putin was cmima-e— whether almost that putin was cmima-e timi— whether almost that putin was china's kind of— whether almost that putin was china's kind of proxy and i do immi— china's kind of proxy and i do imimt mai— china's kind of proxy and i do think that if— china's kind of proxy and i do think that if putin's position is weakened,— think that if putin's position is weakened, this makes the crime— is weakened, this makes the chinese communist party an even bigger— chinese communist party an even bigger ioree— chinese communist party an even bigger ioree im— chinese communist party an even bigger force in the— chinese communist party an even bigger force in the world. war.— bigger force in the world. weii. mat-e— bigger force in the world. well, that's a— bigger force in the world. well, that's a separate point to make. the chinese communist party and their activities, particularly in the south china sea, of great concern. and sea, are of great concern. and that's why we see this this pacific shift shift from the british armed forces. and indeed others. but if we're going to mention china, then we should also mention india, now the world's most populous country , world's most populous country, and, you know, very topical , and, you know, very topical, given that biden was, of course , meeting with modi of late and discussing matters and what a surprise given given that it's india's purchase of russian oil and gas that is also propping up this dysfunctional regime. yeah. i mean, india, we must put the two in the political context in the same bucket. india in iioiomaiie— the same bucket. india in diplomatic terms,-

f india in diplomatic terms, tilting over to me— diplomatic terms, tilting over to me other— diplomatic terms, tilting over to the other side. �*vw�*riee to the other side. well, you might say that . i mean, that's i might say that. i mean, that's i mean , i would like to think that mean, i would like to think that the world's largest democracy as it still remains, has enough inertia to recognise that there's much to be lost. well, let's hope joe biden did some good the other day. let's hope so. james gardiner,— g: r:ri let's hope so. james gardiner, thank you for so. james gardiner, thank you ior eomimg— so. james gardiner, thank you ior eomimg om— so. james gardiner, thank you for coming on and being frank ami— for coming on and being frank and interesting.— for coming on and being frank and interesting. you know what you gow— and interesting. you know what you gore imere— and interesting. you know what you got? there was a very, very momeei— you got? there was a very, very honest analysis. _ you got? there was a very, very honest analysis. this because mere-e— honest analysis. this because meee—mai- honest analysis. this because there's—that wei there's an awful lot that we eimoiy— there's an awful lot that we eimoiylmoi— there's an awful lot that we simply not know. now the what simply do not know. now the what the simply do not know. now the what we iarage— simply do not know. now the what we iarage-iae— simply do not know. now the what the farage - has to - the farage moment has to be, it's the farage moment has to be, ii-e-iaui-e— the farage moment has to be, it's paul's cathedral, it's saint paul's cathedral, imougm— it's saint paul's cathedral, even though, of we it's saint paul's cathedral,- even though, of-we know even though, of course, we know mai— even though, of course, we know mat-emrom— even though, of course, we know that-church of— even though, of course, we knowi that-church of-seems that the church of england seems to that the church of england seems io-eoumiry,— that the church of england seems to-country, these- that the church of england seems to country, these days. to hate the country, these days. eut— to hate the country, these days. but i— to hate the country, these days. but i ie— to hate the country, these days. but it ie pretty— to hate the country, these days. but it is pretty remarkable, iii— but it is pretty remarkable, iii, mai— but it is pretty remarkable, bill, that on— but it is pretty remarkable, bill, that on the cathedral , bill, that on the cathedral, saimi— bill, that on the cathedral, saint paul's— bill, that on the cathedral, saint paul's cathedral website, cirureiriii— saint paul's cathedral website, churchill have— saint paul's cathedral website, churchill have been described as an unashamed— churchill have been described as an unashamed imperialist and a write— an unashamed imperialist and a wiriie surrem — an unashamed imperialist and a white suprem assist, leading to outrage— white suprem assist, leading to ouirage irom — white suprem assist, leading to outrage from nicholas soames. wimeiom— outrage from nicholas soames. winston churchill's grandson, ami— winston churchill's grandson, ami guiie— winston churchill's grandson, and quite rightly , he and they and quite rightly, he and they mave— and quite rightly, he and they have mow— and quite rightly, he and they have now toned— and quite rightly, he and they have now toned it down. but now iiereaiier— have now toned it down. but now thereafter, admiral— have now toned it down. but now thereafter, admiral lord nelson , oi— thereafter, admiral lord nelson , of course, all— thereafter, admiral lord nelson , of course, all heroes must be ieeiroyei— , of course, all heroes must be destroyed where _ , of course, all heroes must be destroyed where they're claiming that away— destroyed where they're claiming that actually nelson was a great

euooorier— that actually nelson was a great eupporier oi— that actually nelson was a great eupporier oi ime— that actually nelson was a great supporter of the slave trade. ami— supporter of the slave trade. ami i— supporter of the slave trade. ami i cam-i— supporter of the slave trade. and i can't see— supporter of the slave trade. and i can't see any evidence for mai— and i can't see any evidence for that whatsoever. _ and i can't see any evidence for that whatsoever. now scampton is a eiory— that whatsoever. now scampton is a eiory mai— that whatsoever. now scampton is a story that we've— that whatsoever. now scampton is a story that we've covered. we iii— a story that we've covered. we iii a— a story that we've covered. we iii a me— a story that we've covered. we did a live show— a story that we've covered. we did a live show from scampton a courie— did a live show from scampton a eouoie oi— did a live show from scampton a couple of months— did a live show from scampton a couple of months ago . the news couple of months ago. the news is couple of months ago. the news ie mai— couple of months ago. the news ie that me— couple of months ago. the news is that the local— couple of months ago. the news is that the local council there ami— is that the local council there ami imieei— is that the local council there and indeed one— is that the local council there and indeed one of the councils in and indeed one of the councils im ieeex— and indeed one of the councils im ieeew are— and indeed one of the councils in essex are between them going to me— in essex are between them going to the high— in essex are between them going to the high court— in essex are between them going to the high court to try and get mie— to the high court to try and get this decision— to the high court to try and get this decision for— to the high court to try and get this decision for those former miiiiary— this decision for those former military bases— this decision for those former military bases to— this decision for those former military bases to house those mai— military bases to house those that aroee— military bases to house those that across the _ military bases to house those that across the english channel reeemiiy— that across the english channel recently overturned and jack careom— recently overturned and jack careom .— recently overturned and jack careom , ei— recently overturned and jack carson , gb news reporter, is carson, gb news reporter, is ouieiie— carson, gb news reporter, is outside outside— carson, gb news reporter, is outside outside the west lindsey iieiriei— outside outside the west lindsey district council— outside outside the west lindsey district council meeting in gainsborough— district council meeting in gainsborough as as we speak. jack— gainsborough as as we speak. iaet wirai-e— gainsborough as as we speak. jack what's going— gainsborough as as we speak. jack what's going . on �*vw�*riee g: jack what's going. on well, good evening.— jack what's going. on well, good evening, nigel. yeah, there's this motion here at the west lindsey district council tonight. it's been put forward by a liberal democrat councillor . it is the liberal democrat controlled council. the motion is called for a halt to this government plan and for the lincolnshire county council to join west lindsey council in quote standing for evidence

based consultative decisions that align with the welfare and aspirations of the people here and those seeking asylum in the uk . councillor sebastian hague, uk. councillor sebastian hague, who is the councillor that has put this forward, this motion that's currently being debated right now, is that this is more than just a critique of a single decision and he kind of attacked suella braverman saying that it's an indictment of an, of, of an absence of common sense and empathy the leadership that empathy in the leadership that that this area is witnessing from the home secretary now , from the home secretary now, that motion, as i said, is going on right now. i've had a conservative councillor who's in that meeting today that has messaged me to say that as the opposition conservative group, they are tabling some amendments to the motion on this evening because they believe that it is factually incorrect what those amendments are. i haven't got the details but they have the details of, but they have said if those amendments said that if those amendments aren't accepted, then this conservative opposition aren't accepted, then this conservtthei opposition aren't accepted, then this conservtthe council position aren't accepted, then this conservtthe council willtion aren't accepted, then this conservtthe council will vote here on the council will vote against the amendment here today. now, i did speak to the leader of the opposition of that

conservative councillor conservative council, councillor ian about, of ian fleetwood, today about, of course that that move from the government to try and house asylum seekers in scampton. and here's what said at the here's what he said at the debate tonight is about whether or not we should have our most important one of our most important one of our most important assets in the district turned over to a use that has not got planning permission . not got planning permission. and the issue attached to it is guy— and the issue attached to it is euy eiieom— and the issue attached to it is euy eiieom .— and the issue attached to it is euy eiieom , a— and the issue attached to it is guy gibson , a dog land masters, guy gibson, a dog land masters, iimeoimeiire— guy gibson, a dog land masters, lincolnshire scamp_ guy gibson, a dog land masters, lincolnshire scamp . and if you lincolnshire scamp. and if you took— lincolnshire scamp. and if you took ai— lincolnshire scamp. and if you took at at— lincolnshire scamp. and if you look at all the— lincolnshire scamp. and if you look at all the dambusters maps, you win— look at all the dambusters maps, you wiii eee— look at all the dambusters maps, you will see that— look at all the dambusters maps, you will see that they didn't taw— you will see that they didn't iait im— you will see that they didn't talk in terms— you will see that they didn't talk in terms of— you will see that they didn't talk in terms of coming back to iimeoimeirire. — talk in terms of coming back to lincolnshire. they— talk in terms of coming back to lincolnshire. they talked about eomimg— lincolnshire. they talked about eomimg tact— lincolnshire. they talked about coming back to— lincolnshire. they talked about coming back to scampton as a ioeaiiom— coming back to scampton as a location scampton is important to lincolnshire— location scampton is important to lincolnshire people , to west to lincolnshire people, to west iimieey— to lincolnshire people, to west iimieey, reorie— to lincolnshire people, to west lindsey, people there are so mamy— lindsey, people there are so many residents— lindsey, people there are so many residents in this location eiiirer— many residents in this location eiiirer iiwimg— many residents in this location either living in— many residents in this location either living in the married guariere— either living in the married guariere or— either living in the married quarters or alongside on the eige— quarters or alongside on the edge oi— quarters or alongside on the edge oi ime— quarters or alongside on the edge of the showground in the tram— edge of the showground in the irami mew— edge of the showground in the brand new ecologic friendly moueee— brand new ecologic friendly

iroueee aii— brand new ecologic friendly houses all within 2 or 3 miles at weiiom— houses all within 2 or 3 miles at welton. another settlements. we at welton. another settlements. we mave— at welton. another settlements. we have waei— at welton. another settlements. we have vast numbers of people were.— we have vast numbers of people were. iiey— we have vast numbers of people there. they didn't— we have vast numbers of people there. they didn't expect this to happen-— there. they didn't expect this to happen- ime— there. they didn't expect this to happen. this comes as a eomoieie— to happen. this comes as a complete surprise and it is wromg— complete surprise and it is wromg oi— complete surprise and it is wromg oi ime— complete surprise and it is wrong of the government to oroooee— wrong of the government to propoee io— wrong of the government to propoee to to— wrong of the government to propose to do this to such a irieiorieaiiy— propose to do this to such a historically important and eemeiiiwe— historically important and sensitive place in lincolnshire . so— sensitive place in lincolnshire . so you— sensitive place in lincolnshire . so you teari— sensitive place in lincolnshire . so you heard there pretty from the conservative _ . so you heard there pretty from the conservative councillor here agaimei— the conservative councillor here agaimei ime— the conservative councillor here against the government's plans to home— against the government's plans to irouee reorie— against the government's plans to house people at scampton. �*vw�*ri to house people at scampton. we mow— to house people at scampton. we know ii— to house people at scampton. we know ii meee— to house people at scampton. we know if those plans— to house people at scampton. we know if those plans were- to house people at scampton. we know if those plans were to go ahead, they reckon in the first year 5000 people would be processed through the through the camp in the first year. but of course the main critique of people and local people here is thatis people and local people here is that is fact that £300 that is the fact that £300 million of worth of investment was going to go into scampton for a business park for hotels. and they're worried that if this decision from the government to house seekers there goes house asylum seekers there goes ahead, that that investment of £300 million will not only, of course postponed, it could course be postponed, it could also altogether . also be cancelled altogether. and a lot of investment

and that is a lot of investment in and jobs that won't in the area and jobs that won't then come back. edward lee, then come back. sir edward lee, who is the mp here, has questioned multiple times in the house of commons, questioned immigration minister robert jenrick people of jenrick around how people of course, how the government will preserve buildings. preserve those buildings. robert jenrick it was always jenrick says that it was always the intention of the government to those listed to preserve those listed buildings when they house asylum seekers scampton . thank buildings when they house asylum seekers scampton. thank you seekers at scampton. thank you very much— seekers at scampton. thank you very mum-tact- seekers at scampton. thank you very much -jack carson. very much indeed, jack carson ami— very much indeed, jack carson ami you— very much indeed, jack carson ami you mow— very much indeed, jack carson and you know, as— very much indeed, jack carson and you know, as any regular io— and you know, as any regular viewer to this— and you know, as any regular viewer to this show will know, i mimi— viewer to this show will know, i iiimt-reaiiy— viewer to this show will know, i think-really, really- think this really, really maiiere — think this really, really matters. it's- think this really, really matters. it's important that in aueee-g— matters. it's important that in aueee-g wiraii- matters. it's important that in a-guess what? in. matters. it's important that in a guess what? in the a moment, guess what? in the oi— a moment, guess what? in the oi mei— a moment, guess what? in the name of net zero,— a moment, guess what? in the name of net zero, your bills are about— name of net zero, your bills are about io— name of net zero, your bills are about to go— name of net zero, your bills are about to go back— name of net zero, your bills are about to go back up. i'll tell you— about to go back up. i'll tell you wiry— about to go back up. i'll tell you wiry im— about to go back up. i'll tell you wiry im iuei— about to go back up. i'll tell you why in just a— about to go back up. i'll tell you why in just a moment

well as china's carbon dioxide emieeiome— well as china's carbon dioxide go— well as china's carbon dioxide emissions go through the roof wim— emissions go through the roof wiiir every— emissions go through the roof with every year— emissions go through the roof with every year that passes and the worm— with every year that passes and tire worii geie— with every year that passes and the world gets ready in 2023 to tum— the world gets ready in 2023 to iurm 8— the world gets ready in 2023 to burn 8 billion— the world gets ready in 2023 to burn 8 billion tonnes of coal, oi— burn 8 billion tonnes of coal, we, of course, in— burn 8 billion tonnes of coal, we, of course, in this country

ieimg— we, of course, in this country are being told— we, of course, in this country are being told we— we, of course, in this country are being told we must change wiriuaiiy— are being told we must change wiriuaiiy every— are being told we must change virtually every aspect of our iiwee — virtually every aspect of our lives. otherwise— virtually every aspect of our lives. otherwise there will be a timer— lives. otherwise there will be a planet catastrophe . and part of planet catastrophe. and part of irrat— planet catastrophe. and part of that, oi— planet catastrophe. and part of that, of course,— planet catastrophe. and part of that, of course, is— planet catastrophe. and part of that, of course, is the pursuit of that, of course, is the pursuit oi mei— that, of course, is the pursuit oi mei ero— that, of course, is the pursuit of net zero, which, as i've said rime— of net zero, which, as i've said time are— of net zero, which, as i've said time are again— of net zero, which, as i've said time and again, is— of net zero, which, as i've said time and again, is all about iatimg— time and again, is all about iatimg momey— time and again, is all about taking money from the poor and giwimg— taking money from the poor and giving ii— taking money from the poor and giwimg ii io— taking money from the poor and giwimg ii to rig— taking money from the poor and giving it to big rich foreign wiri— giving it to big rich foreign wimi iarm— giving it to big rich foreign wind farm companies. giving it to big rich foreign wind farm companies . well, wind farm companies. well, remare— wind farm companies. well, remare im— wind farm companies. well, perhaps i'm being a bit too eeeriieai— perhaps i'm being a bit too eeeriieai .— perhaps i'm being a bit too sceptical . who— perhaps i'm being a bit too sceptical . who knows? will sceptical. who knows? will woieom— sceptical. who knows? will woieom ie— sceptical. who knows? will woieom ie a— sceptical. who knows? will hodson is a consumer expert and ioumier— hodson is a consumer expert and ioumier oi— hodson is a consumer expert and ioumier oi wow— hodson is a consumer expert and founder of how to _ hodson is a consumer expert and founder of how to save it, a eamraigm— founder of how to save it, a eamraigm io— founder of how to save it, a campaign to bring down britain's emergy— campaign to bring down britain's emergy iiiie — campaign to bring down britain's emergy iiiie so— campaign to bring down britain's energy bills. so will, we were iota— energy bills. so will, we were ioii a— energy bills. so will, we were told a little _ energy bills. so will, we were told a little ,_ energy bills. so will, we were told a little , little time back told a little, little time back trai— told a little, little time back that irre— told a little, little time back that the green _ told a little, little time back that the green subsidies on our eieeirieiiy— that the green subsidies on our electricity bills— that the green subsidies on our electricity bills would be removed, but— electricity bills would be removed, but they're coming back . irate— removed, but they're coming back . iiai-e right.— removed, but they're coming back . that's right. well,— removed, but they're coming back . that's right. well, they- removed, but they're coming back . that's right. well, they were shifted into general taxation. so what we're seeing here is the government making a pig's ear of explaining what's actually a pretty vital policy for british bills. and i'll explain why why we are in the midst of an energy crisis which has made clear how reliant we are on gas. we're reliant we are on gas. we're reliant because we have old, draughty homes, take a lot of gas to heat, but also we use

gas. 40% of our electricity motty so being in this mess, we have the right to ask our government, is there a strategy to move us away from gas? and to some extent, these levies we're talking about purport to do it. if we have more insulation , if we have more insulation, which they fund, you need less gas to heat your homes and if we can get more renewable energy generated here in britain, we need less gas for our electricity as well . so, i mean, electricity as well. so, i mean, imeuiaiiom— electricity as well. so, i mean, insulation, of— electricity as well. so, i mean, insulation, of course,- .. ear so, i mean, insulation, of course, makes a lot insulation, of course, makes a ioi oi— insulation, of course, makes a ioi oi eeme— insulation, of course, makes a lot of sense. and— insulation, of course, makes a lot of sense. and with modern iuiiiimge— lot of sense. and with modern iuiiiimge .— lot of sense. and with modern buildings, it's— lot of sense. and with modern buildings , it's fairly easy to buildings, it's fairly easy to io— buildings, it's fairly easy to to. irre— buildings, it's fairly easy to to. ime-irre- buildings, it's fairly easy to do. the the building, the do. the older the building, the more difficult— do. the older the building, the more difficult more more difficult and more eremeiwe— more difficult and more expensive becomes. and expensive it becomes. and we umiereiami— expensive it becomes. and we understand-and- expensive it becomes. and we understand and we know understand that. and we know irrat— understand that. and we know mat-emergy- understand that. and we know mar-emergy .- understand that. and we know mar-emergy , ii- understand that. and we know that. energy , it does that. i mean, energy, it does ioii— that. i mean, energy, it does ioii-oi— that. i mean, energy, it does ioii-oi-io- boil down, of course, to eeeuriiy— boil down, of course, to eeeuriiy .— boil down, of course, to security . think boil down, of course, to- security .ithink-right. security. i think you're right. i security. i think you're right. immi— security. i think you're right. iiirimt trey— security. i think you're right. i think they are— security. i think you're right. i think they are trying to phase gas i think they are trying to phase gae our— i think they are trying to phase gas out basically.— i think they are trying to phase gas out basically. and we're not rroiueimg— gas out basically. and we're not producing enough— gas out basically. and we're not producing enough of our own . but producing enough of our own. but on producing enough of our own. but om irre— producing enough of our own. but or the eireer— producing enough of our own. but on the sheer cost— producing enough of our own. but on the sheer cost of— producing enough of our own. but on the sheer cost of this , i on the sheer cost of this, i ite— on the sheer cost of this, i mean, it's estimated this is going— mean, it's estimated this is goimg io— mean, it's estimated this is goimg io eoei— mean, it's estimated this is going to cost every house about erio— going to cost every house about iiio a— going to cost every house about iiio a year. — going to cost every house about £170 a year. that's— going to cost every house about £170 a year. that's right. iirai-e— £170 a year. that's right. that's about— £170 a year. that's right. that's about 8% on on the bill, giver— that's about 8% on on the bill, giwem wee— that's about 8% on on the bill, given we're now— that's about 8% on on the bill, given we're now about £2,000 for the given we're now about £2,000 for tire aeaeg— given we're now about £2,000 for the average home. _ given we're now about £2,000 for the average home. the truth is, these numbers in energy are always going to be eye—watering

we're building an infrastructure that gets electricity and gas to every home. we've already given £25 billion price ticket to hinkley point c, which is nuclear. another alternative to gas we've given since 2015. i think £20 billion in subsidies to oil and gas company us. so the truth is it's a huge cost wherever you put it. what do you say? wherever you put it. what do you eaye suieiiiee— wherever you put it. what do you say? subsidies to— wherever you put it. what do you say? subsidies to oil— wherever you put it. what do you say? subsidies to oil and- e what do you say? subsidies to oil and gas eomamiere — say? subsidies to oil and gas eomamiere i— say? subsidies to oil and gas companies. i mean, hang on a eeeorrei— companies. i mean, hang on a eeeorrei were— companies. i mean, hang on a second. we've put— companies. i mean, hang on a second. we've put super taxes on item — second. we've put super taxes on them i— second. we've put super taxes on them i meam— second. we've put super taxes on them. i mean, they're paying 75% tax them. i mean, they're paying 75% iaxlrroiiie — them. i mean, they're paying 75% iaxlrroiiie we— them. i mean, they're paying 75% tax profits. we haven't tax on profits. we haven't reiter— tax on profits. we haven't helped -that- tax on profits. we haven't helped that much. there's helped them that much. there's teem— helped them that much. there's been a— helped them that much. there's been a decent— helped them that much. there's been a decent because the been a decent amount because the trum— been a decent amount because the tum-eome— been a decent amount because the truth-some point,— been a decent amount because the truth some point, the truth is, at some point, the gowemmemi— truth is, at some point, the government direct truth is, at some point, the- government-direct and government needs to direct and imeemiiwiee— government needs to direct and incentivise-energy- incentivise the energy the eoumiry—uee. i incentivise the energy the- country _ use. that country is going to use. that iiwoiwee— country is going to use. that involves energy— country is going to use. that involves energy security, which is you still see gas playing is why you still see gas playing a significant part in our fuel mix. yeah, because it's praeiieai— mix. yeah, because it's oraeiieai .— mix. yeah, because it's practical . you- x yeah, because it's practical . you can turn it on practical. you can turn it on are— practical. you can turn it on are rum— practical. you can turn it on are ium ii— practical. you can turn it on and turn it off.— practical. you can turn it on and turn it off. unlike coal iirei— and turn it off. unlike coal iirei rower— and turn it off. unlike coal fired power stations, which we have — fired power stations, which we have teem— fired power stations, which we have been reopening, of course, irre— have been reopening, of course, iire ouee— have been reopening, of course, over the course of— have been reopening, of course, over the course of this summer, mar-e— over the course of this summer, that's practical— over the course of this summer, that's practical when everyone in that's practical when everyone im-ie— that's practical when everyone in -is scrambling - that's practical when everyone in is scrambling to get in europe is scrambling to get it, in europe is scrambling to get ii—maior- in europe is scrambling to get iii—major suiiplyl it, because the major supply markete— it, because the major supplyi markets—that's it, because the major supply- markets_that's why

markets have closed. that's why strategically, we have to get away it. and renewables, away from it. and renewables, something do quite well in something we do quite well in this course, nigel this country. of course, nigel and in and we've got wind farms up in scotland certain times we scotland who at certain times we pay scotland who at certain times we pay not to produce. it seems quite incredible— pay not to produce. it seems quite incredible to- :f it seems quite incredible to warning reorie— quite incredible to warning people ai— quite incredible to warning people at home that we're lumping— people at home that we're iumrimg erio— people at home that we're lumping £170 on people's eieeirieiiy— lumping £170 on people's electricity bills . but at the electricity bills. but at the rime— electricity bills. but at the same time we _ electricity bills. but at the same time we are often paying omarriee— same time we are often paying omarriee im— same time we are often paying companies in the— same time we are often paying companies in the north sea and seoiiami— companies in the north sea and eeoiiami moi— companies in the north sea and scotland not to— companies in the north sea and scotland not to produce energy ieauee— scotland not to produce energy ieauee irre— scotland not to produce energy because the wind— scotland not to produce energy because the wind has produced too much— because the wind has produced ioo mueir ior— because the wind has produced too much for our— because the wind has produced too much for our needs. on that day— too much for our needs. on that day .— too much for our needs. on that day . i— too much for our needs. on that day . i meam— too much for our needs. on that day. i mean, when— too much for our needs. on that day. i mean, when are we going to eome— day. i mean, when are we going to io— day. i mean, when are we going to come to terms— day. i mean, when are we going to come to terms with the fact wrai— to come to terms with the fact that irrat— to come to terms with the fact that that intermittent energy through— that that intermittent energy iirrougir wiri— that that intermittent energy through wind is— that that intermittent energy through wind is exactly that intermittent— through wind is exactly that intermittent and i don't know whether— intermittent and i don't know whether you've— intermittent and i don't know whether you've seen it. i've mo riame— whether you've seen it. i've seen no plans for- whether you've seen it. i've seen no plans for battery eiorage— seen no plans for battery storage that— seen no plans for battery storage that really cut the mueiari — storage that really cut the mueiari . — storage that really cut the mueiari . i— storage that really cut the mustard . storage that really cut the- mustard . i think the plans are mustard. i think the plans are afoot. they're going pretty well. but the fundamental point with intermittent energy you with intermittent energy is you have to diversify. the wind might be blowing off might not be blowing off penzance, it could be penzance, but it could be blowing in perthshire. it still leaves a problem that you're going to need to have some reliable energy somewhere, which is the nuclear projects are is why the nuclear projects are

so in mind , so important. bear in mind, britain didn't have a new nuclear power plant for 30 years. this is a great illustration of how the government is not really telling the public the full truth of how we need to get past the energy crisis. famously, nick clegg eaio— crisis. famously, nick clegg eairi—ior- crisis. famously, nick clegg| said,_for nuclear said, we can't go for nuclear ieauee— said, we can't go for nuclear because it'll— said, we can't go for nuclear because it'll take— said, we can't go for nuclear because it'll take ten years. eueee— because it'll take ten years. guess what? _ because it'll take ten years. guess what? that was ten years ago. — guess what? that was ten years ago. so— guess what? that was ten years ago. so-iirere-e— guess what? that was ten years ago. so there's been way ago. so yeah, there's been way too— ago. so yeah, there's been way too-errori— ago. so yeah, there's been way too-short termism.- ago. so yeah, there's been way too short termism. but what too much short termism. but what wouii— too much short termism. but what wouii-io— too much short termism. but what wouii-io-iromel would you say to folk at home who— would you say to folk at home wiro are— would you say to folk at home who are .facing _ would you say to folk at home who are facing this £170 who are now facing this £170 going— who are now facing this £170 goimg om— who are now facing this £170 goimg or their— who are now facing this £170 going on their electricity bills ? i going on their electricity bills i i meam— going on their electricity bills ? i mean, would— going on their electricity bills ? i mean, would you say it's worri— ? i mean, would you say it's woriir ii— ? i mean, would you say it's woriir iii — ? i mean, would you say it's worth it 7 i'd— ? i mean, would you say it's worth it? i'd say- ? i mean, would you say it's worth it? r: ? i mean, would you say it's worth it ? r: worth it? i'd say make sure this policy works for you. you talked about ten years ago, nick clegg i remember ten ago, david i remember ten years ago, david cameron at these cameron had a stab at these levies and result levies as well, and the result was insulation rates dropped by 90% across the country . and if 90% across the country. and if only we'd insulated those homes , those homes would have paid much less in the grip of a gas crisis we've just seen. so crisis that we've just seen. so i it's a fact that we are i think it's a fact that we are living with the energy policies of years ago. we wish we'd of ten years ago. we wish we'd had insulation. and what's had more insulation. and what's more , we'd more renewable more, if we'd had more renewable energy generated , we energy being generated, we wouldn't so reliant

wouldn't have been so reliant on gas would have gas and our bills would have been so i say it been lower. so i say give it a chance and make the policy work for you. if there's free insulation to be had as well as the home discount. yeah, the warm home discount. yeah, but truth is to the warm home discount. yeah, but-truth is to really- but the truth is to really imeuiaie— but the truth is to really insulate a _ but the truth is to really insulate a lot- but the truth is to really insulate a lot of old homes in trie— insulate a lot of old homes in iirie eoumiry— insulate a lot of old homes in this country would cost countless— this country would cost countless tens this country would cost countlesstens billions, countless tens of billions, wouiim-i— countless tens of billions,- wouldn't—insulate wouldn't it? well, to insulate every loft in every uninsulated loft in britain cost about britain would cost about 5 billion. is that all about. i'm surprised it's not more- surprised it's not more not that mamy— surprised it's not more not that mamy ieii. — surprised it's not more not that mamy ieii. rui— surprised it's not more not that many left. but the- surprised it's not more not that many left. but the point is that would pay for itself within about a year. it's a crying shame that we can't take more of a strategic approach to doing that, we should that, which is what we should expect moment. fair expect at the moment. fair point. listen, i'm all- , fair point. listen, i'm all for us irawimg— point. listen, i'm all for us having-security.- having energy security. absolutely— absolutely and not being reliant on absolutely and not being reliant orri—m— absolutely and not being reliant orri—m irre- absolutely and not being reliant on_in the world. . on anybody else in the world. ami— on anybody else in the world. ami im— on anybody else in the world. ami im at— on anybody else in the world. and i'm all having and i'm all for us having a affordable— and i'm all for us having a affordable energy, which i think wiri— affordable energy, which i think wiiir our— affordable energy, which i think wiiir ow— affordable energy, which i think with our own gas— affordable energy, which i think with our own gas when we need it. with our own gas when we need it -io— with our own gas when we need ii.-io-more- it. we could do much more eiieeiiweiy— it. we could do much more effectively. - i'm - it. we could do much more effectively. i'm for not effectively. but i'm for not waeiimg— effectively. but i'm for not waeiimg amy— effectively. but i'm for not wasting any energy, so i eomrieieiy— wasting any energy, so i completely get point you're completely get the point you're matimg—you- completely get the point you're matimg—you weryl making. will thank you very much imieei— making. will thank you very much imieeilioimimg— making. will thank you very much indeed .joining .on - making. will thank you very much indeed joining on the indeed for joining me on the errow— indeed for joining me on the eowir.-w-wee— indeed for joining me on the show.-we've got- indeed for joining me on the show. we've got a indeed for joining me on the show.-we've got a of show. now, we've got a couple of iarage— show. now, we've got a couple of iarage. irre— show. now, we've got a couple of farage. the farage_ show. now, we've got a couple of farage. the farage is in the pipeline- — farage. the farage is in the pipeline. when- farage. the farage is in the pipeline. �*vw�*irii r: r: farage. the farage is in the pipeline. " r: r: iii; pipeline. when did politics become so polarised ? it's one

become so polarised? it's one extreme or another. there's no grey areas anymore. it's1—1 view or another . the second part view or another. the second part of that question is why is the debate so negative? everything is against something rather than trying to persuade somebody with a positive point of view. the remainers during brexit just argued what the negatives were about leaving rather than trying to persuade somebody the positives of staying. if there were ever any positives there in the first place, well, that's very true. i mean, there is no touti— very true. i mean, there is no doubt about— very true. i mean, there is no doubt about it— very true. i mean, there is no doubt about it that- rrig i mean, there is no doubt about it that the leave eamraigm— doubt about it that the leave campaign didn't— doubt about it that the leave campaign didn't spend much time eayimg— campaign didn't spend much time eayimg mow— campaign didn't spend much time saying how bloomin awful irueeeie— saying how bloomin awful brussels was— saying how bloomin awful brussels was .— saying how bloomin awful brussels was . i guess we've been brussels was. i guess we've been goimg— brussels was. i guess we've been ioimg irrat— brussels was. i guess we've been ioimg iirai ior— brussels was. i guess we've been doing that for the— brussels was. i guess we've been doing that for the last 30 yeare— doing that for the last 30 yeare io— doing that for the last 30 yeare io ie— doing that for the last 30 years. to be fair. but the ieemaim— years. to be fair. but the remain campaign was all about if you dare— remain campaign was all about if you dare io— remain campaign was all about if you dare to to— remain campaign was all about if you dare to do this— remain campaign was all about if you dare to do this ,_ remain campaign was all about if you dare to do this , terrible you dare to do this, terrible iirimge— you dare to do this, terrible things-happen- you dare to do this, terrible things-happen -- you dare to do this, terrible things happen . plagues of things will happen. plagues of iiaet— things will happen. plagues of black locusts— things will happen. plagues of black locusts may even descend on black locusts may even descend or your— black locusts may even descend or your iami. — black locusts may even descend on your land. no,— black locusts may even descend on your land. no, they didn't go guiie— on your land. no, they didn't go guiie trai— on your land. no, they didn't go guiie that im— on your land. no, they didn't go quite that far, but— on your land. no, they didn't go quite that far, but they got pretty— quite that far, but they got pretty eioee— quite that far, but they got pretty close to _ quite that far, but they got pretty close to it . you asked pretty close to it. you asked iorm— pretty close to it. you asked john wiry— pretty close to it. you asked john wiry ie— pretty close to it. you asked john why is politics? why is mere— john why is politics? why is iirere eueir— john why is politics? why is there such polarity ? well, there such polarity? well, aeiuaiiy— there such polarity? well, aeiuaiiy .— there such polarity? well, aeiuaiiy , i— there such polarity? well, actually , i think here's the actually, i think here's the

iirimg— actually, i think here's the iirimg .— actually, i think here's the iirimg . irre— actually, i think here's the thing . the we— actually, i think here's the thing . the we used to have big thing. the we used to have big ririioeoririeai— thing. the we used to have big philosophical differences ieiweem— philosophical differences between left— philosophical differences between left and right. think of the between left and right. think of tire ee— between left and right. think of the so gemerai— between left and right. think of the 83 general election, a real choice— the 83 general election, a real eiroiee .— the 83 general election, a real eiroiee . ite— the 83 general election, a real choice . it's the— the 83 general election, a real choice . it's the polarity. now choice. it's the polarity. now iem-i— choice. it's the polarity. now iem-i eo— choice. it's the polarity. now isn't so much— choice. it's the polarity. now isn't so much on— choice. it's the polarity. now isn't so much on policy. it's aeiuaiiy— isn't so much on policy. it's actually more— isn't so much on policy. it's actually more about personality. ami— actually more about personality. ami im— actually more about personality. ami i-m goimg— actually more about personality. ami i-m goimg io— actually more about personality. and i'm going to say this, i immi— and i'm going to say this, i iirirrt irre— and i'm going to say this, i think the old— and i'm going to say this, i think the old left were patriots . ure— think the old left were patriots . iike irre— think the old left were patriots . like the old _ think the old left were patriots . like the old left— think the old left were patriots . like the old left had a great oi— . like the old left had a great sense of humour.— . like the old left had a great sense of humour. the old left . sense of humour. the old left. we— sense of humour. the old left. we eouii— sense of humour. the old left. we could agree— sense of humour. the old left. we could agree to— sense of humour. the old left. we could agree to disagree with , tui— we could agree to disagree with , iui gemeraiiy— we could agree to disagree with , but generally get on quite weii— , but generally get on quite weii .— , but generally get on quite weii . ami— , but generally get on quite well . and when— , but generally get on quite well . and when we look at the well. and when we look at the ieii— well. and when we look at the new left right,— well. and when we look at the new left right, i— well. and when we look at the new left right, i think those of us new left right, i think those of ue om irre— new left right, i think those of us on the centre— new left right, i think those of us on the centre right look at iirem — us on the centre right look at iirem ami— us on the centre right look at them and think,— us on the centre right look at them and think, well, they're a write— them and think, well, they're a iiiiie iii— them and think, well, they're a little bit barmy,_ them and think, well, they're a little bit barmy, but you know, mar-e— little bit barmy, but you know, mate a,— little bit barmy, but you know, that's it, fine. _ little bit barmy, but you know, that's it, fine. they look at us wim— that's it, fine. they look at us with absolute— that's it, fine. they look at us with absolute total hatred and the with absolute total hatred and tire ieiiei— with absolute total hatred and the belief that— with absolute total hatred and the belief that we should be eameeiiei— the belief that we should be eameeiiei .— the belief that we should be cancelled . and— the belief that we should be cancelled . and so i think that cancelled. and so i think that roiariiy— cancelled. and so i think that roiariiy ie— cancelled. and so i think that polarity is more,— cancelled. and so i think that polarity is more, as i say, on a rereomai— polarity is more, as i say, on a personal level— polarity is more, as i say, on a personal level than it is away— personal level than it is actually about political philosophy- _ actually about political philosophy. now now, joining me, ireeir— philosophy. now now, joining me, ireeir irom— philosophy. now now, joining me, ireeir irom a— philosophy. now now, joining me, fresh from a grand— philosophy. now now, joining me, fresh from a grand dinner to eeieiraie— fresh from a grand dinner to celebrate the— fresh from a grand dinner to celebrate the bicentenary of the exiori — celebrate the bicentenary of the

exiori iimiom— celebrate the bicentenary of the oxford union is— celebrate the bicentenary of the oxford union is jacob rees—mogg . i— oxford union is jacob rees—mogg . i wa— oxford union is jacob rees—mogg . i was indeed,— oxford union is jacob rees—mogg . i was indeed, yes.— oxford union is jacob rees—mogg . i was indeed, yes. and- oxford union is jacob rees—mogg . i was indeed, yes. and we had bastion of free speech there. we actually had michael heseltine go on and say how wonderful the oxford union is. it's all lovely and how marvellous you're all here. and isn't brexit terrible? which was a very strange way to end the evening . rather, as john end the evening. rather, as john just end the evening. rather, as john iuei aekei— end the evening. rather, as john iuei aeiei im— end the evening. rather, as john just asked in the— rir: i 3 rather, as john just asked in the question, it's aimoei— just asked in the question, it's aimoei ae— just asked in the question, it's aimoei ae ii— just asked in the question, it's almost as if some— just asked in the question, it's almost as if some of those they iiieraiiy— almost as if some of those they iiieraiiy-iei— almost as if some of those they literally-let it— almost as if some of those they literally-let it go,- almost as if some of those they literally let it go, can literally can't let it go, can iireyi— literally can't let it go, can iireyi — literally can't let it go, can iireye iiey— literally can't let it go, can they? they can't,- literally can't let it go, can they? “cg err?" e cl" they? they can't, no. even at they? they can't, no. even at the most unlikely occasion when we talking about 200 years we were talking about 200 years of one at the of free speech, the one at the oxford union , he to bring oxford union, he had to bring brexit in. he did. but tonight , brexit in. he did. but tonight, yes, we're going to try and explain russia what is going on. and i've a guest who i hope and i've got a guest who i hope will be to tell people will be able to tell people what's happening and give us some the some understanding of the details. i think that's some understanding of the details . i think that's rather details. i think that's rather imporiami— details. i think that's rather important because- : i think that's rather important because there are far more-e— important because there are far more we were joking earlier more and we were joking earlier aioui— more and we were joking earlier about—rumsfeldl about the old donald rumsfeld mowm— about the old donald rumsfeld mowm-ami— about the old donald rumsfeld known-and all- about the old donald rumsfeld known and all the rest known unknowns and all the rest of known unknowns and all the rest oi ii.— known unknowns and all the rest oi ii. iii— known unknowns and all the rest oi ii. it ie— known unknowns and all the rest of it. i'll be sitting— known unknowns and all the rest of it. i'll be sitting the of it. i'll be sitting in the goimg— of it. i'll be sitting in the car, going listening car, going home, listening imiemiiy— car, going home, listening intently-every- car, going home, listening intently every as intently to every word, as imieei— intently to every word, as imieei i— intently to every word, as indeed i know— intently to every word, as indeed i know .- intently to every word, as indeed i know . will your indeed i know. will your auiiemee— indeed i know. will your auiiemee .— indeed i know. will your audience , i'm- indeed i know. will your audience , i'm back with you audience, i'm back with you tomorrow evening at seven. we

mare— tomorrow evening at seven. we have irre— tomorrow evening at seven. we have the iieic— tomorrow evening at seven. we have the tric awards tomorrow aiiemoom — have the tric awards tomorrow afternoon, .fingers- have the tric awards tomorrow afternoon, fingers crossed. afternoon, so fingers crossed. out— afternoon, so fingers crossed. our-mare— afternoon, so fingers crossed. our-mare a- afternoon, so fingers crossed. but-have a look. afternoon, so fingers crossed. but have a look at but first, let's have a look at irre— but first, let's have a look at the weather — but first, let's have a look at the weather. evening 'ai;a< i i the weather. evening alex deakin iore— the weather. evening alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. after a bright start for some, it will turn fairly cloudy for most tomorrow. outbreaks of rain at times across the north. of the across the north. much of the south stay dry thanks to south will stay dry thanks to this high pressure. but this area of high pressure. but this area of high pressure. but this low pressure system is toppled in over top and will toppled in over the top and will bnng toppled in over the top and will bring i say, much, much of bring as i say, much, much of the north, a damp day tomorrow. we've seen some heavy showers around during this afternoon, but away through but they're fading away through this most places this evening. most places becoming clear and will becoming dry and clear and will stay that way for most of the night. but here comes that weather increasing the weather system increasing the cloud west then cloud in the west and then bringing rain to northern ireland, south—west by ireland, south—west scotland by dawn will dawn, temperatures will stay between 11 and 15 degrees for most . so a between 11 and 15 degrees for most. so a warm ish night, not as humid as it was at the weekends, but a little warmer than it was last night. a damp start for northern ireland. start then for northern ireland. the may here a little the rain may ease here a little later the day, but for much later in the day, but for much of southern and western scotland, damp day and scotland, it's a damp day and

we'll times crossing we'll see rain at times crossing into england and north into northern england and north and wales too. and and west wales too. and eventually some of that patchy rain may trickle into the midlands. much of southern midlands. but much of southern england just england east anglia will just stay increasing stay dry. but with increasing amounts cloud, breeze amounts of cloud, the breeze will as the rain will pick up as the rain arrives. nothing, especially heavy, but some heavier bursts are on hills. are likely on the hills. temperatures teens temperatures in the high teens across the for the south across the north. for the south and but again , it'll and low 20s. but again, it'll turn quite humid as we go through the a lot of cloud, through the day. a lot of cloud, a lot of but moving into a lot of mist, but moving into these western areas too, making for humid night tuesday for a murky, humid night tuesday night into wednesday , the rain night into wednesday, the rain should ease, at least for a time, across parts of scotland, staying damp the staying fairly damp over the hills of northern england and nonh hills of northern england and north wales. but many places will start wednesday dry. but then another area of rain comes in initially to northern ireland, but then spreading into parts of scotland. northern england and wales. and this could have some bursts could have some heavy bursts mixed possibility of mixed in. again, possibility of a of to the a rumble of thunder to the northwest . it should turn drier northwest. it should turn drier and further south and east, most places again looking dry and fine wednesday, it will fine on wednesday, but it will

be cloudy and be predominantly cloudy and really . once more, really quite humid. once more, goodbye.