good morning. u good morning. . 939 g" good morning. it's 930 on tuesday, the 27th of june. this is newsroom. i'm on gb news with me bev turner and andrew pierce and in another televised address mummi— and in another televised address , vladimir putin— and in another televised address , vladimir putin has vowed to track— , vladimir putin has vowed to track down— , vladimir putin has vowed to track down the— , vladimir putin has vowed to track down the wagner mutineers as he — track down the wagner mutineers as he mes— track down the wagner mutineers as he tries aa— track down the wagner mutineers as he tries to reassert his cramming— as he tries to reassert his crumbling authority in russia. wars— crumbling authority in russia. was gang— crumbling authority in russia. was going as— crumbling authority in russia. we're going to be speaking to a russia— we're going to be speaking to a russia aspara— we're going to be speaking to a russia expert to— we're going to be speaking to a russia expert to find out the latest— russia expert to find out the latest . — russia expert to find out the latest . each— russia expert to find out the latest . t age“. russia expert to find out the latest . it gin :: russia expert to find out the- latest . each migrant deported to latest. each migrant deported to rwanda will cost you, the taxpayer, almost £170,000. home secretary suella braverman argues that doing nothing is not an option. she's right, isn't she? an option. she's right, isn't she.7 but an option. she's right, isn't she? but is £170,000 per person worth it ? and a she? but is £170,000 per person worth it? and a report on casket— worth it? and a report on cricket attitude- worth it? and a report on cricket attitude to - fl and a report on cricket attitude to ethnic minorities— cricket attitude to ethnic minorities and women. the reports— minorities and women. the report's authors— minorities and women. the report's authors express shock shat— report's authors express shock that assa— report's authors express shock that eton and— report's authors express shock that eton and harrow play at lads— that eton and harrow play at lads every— that eton and harrow play at lords every year. _ that eton and harrow play at lords every year. but the england— lords every year. but the england women's team have never played— england women's team have never played a— england women's team have never played a single— england women's team have never played a single match at the heme— played a single match at the heme ef— played a single match at the home of english— played a single match at the home of english cricket and the

maya— home of english cricket and the maya eh— home of english cricket and the mayer of she— home of english cricket and the mayor of the country's greatest shy, — mayor of the country's greatest city, manchester. _ mayor of the country's greatest city, manchester. : city, manchester. i would say that— city, manchester. i would say that andy burnham joins us to discuss the uk's housing crisis . we're looking forward to heanng . we're looking forward to hearing what he and labour would do fix this huge problem . do to fix this huge problem. this is britain's newsroom. thank you for joining this is britain's newsroom. thank you forjoining us this is britain's newsroom. thank you for joining us this morning. let us know your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address as always. but first of all, here you news headunes first of all, here you news headlines with tamsin roberts . headlines with tamsin roberts. thank you and good morning from the eh— thank you and good morning from the gb newsroom— thank you and good morning from the gb newsroom it's 932. matt haheeeh— the gb newsroom it's 932. matt haheeeh has— the gb newsroom it's 932. matt hancock has arrived at the covid 19 hancock has arrived at the covid he haahh— hancock has arrived at the covid he inquiry as— hancock has arrived at the covid 19 inquiry as hearings continue hae— 19 inquiry as hearings continue she has— 19 inquiry as hearings continue she has he— 19 inquiry as hearings continue due into the government's haehaaaheh— due into the government's preparation for— due into the government's preparation for the pandemic. ahe— preparation for the pandemic. the farmer— preparation for the pandemic. the former health secretary will appea— the former health secretary will appea heheae— the former health secretary will appear before the— the former health secretary will appear before the inquiry as he was one of the— appear before the inquiry as he was one of the politicians who steered— was one of the politicians who steered the — was one of the politicians who steered the coronavirus response pep..— steered the coronavirus response heheae being— steered the coronavirus response before being forced to quit in

june— before being forced to quit in june zozh. — before being forced to quit in june 2021. food— before being forced to quit in june 2021. food inflation has eased— june 2021. food inflation has easea hea— june 2021. food inflation has easea her a— june 2021. food inflation has eased for a second month as supermarkets— eased for a second month as supermarkets cut— eased for a second month as supermarkets cut the price of heaseheha— supermarkets cut the price of household staples as figures hem— household staples as figures from he— household staples as figures from the british— household staples as figures from the british retail consortium— from the british retail consortium show that shop price inflation— consortium show that shop price inflation overall— consortium show that shop price inflation overall slowed to 8.4% inflation overall slowed to 8.4% h pane,— inflation overall slowed to 8.4% h pane, asha— inflation overall slowed to 8.4% in june, down from _ inflation overall slowed to 8.4% in june, down from 9% in may. pp...— in june, down from 9% in may. the british— in june, down from 9% in may. the british retail— in june, down from 9% in may. the british retail consortium says— the british retail consortium says h— the british retail consortium says if he— the british retail consortium says if the current situation eehhhaes— says if the current situation continues, it— says if the current situation continues, it should drop to shape— continues, it should drop to shape aphas— continues, it should drop to single digits later this year. haheaa— single digits later this year. labour will— single digits later this year. labour will force a vote in the house— labour will force a vote in the house eh— labour will force a vote in the house of commons on their proposed— house of commons on their proposed rules— house of commons on their proposed rules to ease the hehpape— proposed rules to ease the mortgage crisis— proposed rules to ease the mortgage crisis . it comes after mortgage crisis. it comes after hash— mortgage crisis. it comes after hash wee-sh— mortgage crisis. it comes after last week's bank— mortgage crisis. it comes after last week's bank of england haeaesa— last week's bank of england interest rate _ last week's bank of england interest rate hike . labour's interest rate hike. labour's phan— interest rate hike. labour's plan includes— interest rate hike. labour's plan includes forcing banks to heap— plan includes forcing banks to help hehpape— plan includes forcing banks to help mortgage holders struggling with help mortgage holders struggling whh payments— help mortgage holders struggling whh paymehas hy— help mortgage holders struggling with payments by allowing them to with payments by allowing them he hempeaahhy— with payments by allowing them to temporarily switch to interest— to temporarily switch to interest only— to temporarily switch to interest only payments or hehpaheh— interest only payments or lengthen their— interest only payments or lengthen their mortgage period . lengthen their mortgage period. new— lengthen their mortgage period. new measures have been announced to new measures have been announced he hashe— new measures have been announced he haehe ahe — new measures have been announced to tackle the non—consensual shahhp— to tackle the non—consensual shahhp eh— to tackle the non—consensual sharing of intimate images ehhhe— sharing of intimate images online amendments to the online safety— online amendments to the online safety hm— online amendments to the online safety bill will— online amendments to the online safety bill will remove the need

to safety bill will remove the need ae preve— safety bill will remove the need to prove intent— safety bill will remove the need to prove intent to _ safety bill will remove the need to prove intent to cause ehshess— to prove intent to cause ahshess ,— to prove intent to cause distress , making it easier to distress, making it easier to shape— distress, making it easier to shape aha— distress, making it easier to charge and convict offenders. these— charge and convict offenders. hhese hapha— charge and convict offenders. those found guilty could face up to those found guilty could face up he sh— those found guilty could face up he six months— those found guilty could face up to six months in— those found guilty could face up to six months in jail. and if she— to six months in jail. and if the haem— to six months in jail. and if the intent to— to six months in jail. and if the intent to distress is peeh— the intent to distress is proven, a maximum of two years in proven, a maximum of two years he easaeay— proven, a maximum of two years he easaeay whhe— proven, a maximum of two years in custody while you can get ah ah— in custody while you can get more on all of— in custody while you can get more on all of those stories by visiting— more on all of those stories by vhshhp ea— more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news .com. now back— visiting our website, gb news .com. now back to andrew and . bev i toi bev to our top story today, a defiant vladimir has defiant vladimir putin has addressed nation addressed the russian nation again night broadcast again in a late night broadcast blasting the attempted wagner mutiny over the weekend. a short, sharp and full of putin's hypheahy— short, sharp and full of putin's typically vitriol— short, sharp and full of putin's typically vitriol and bluster. here— typically vitriol and bluster. here is— typically vitriol and bluster. here is some— typically vitriol and bluster. here is some of— typically vitriol and bluster. here is some of putin last night at here is some of putin last night as she— here is some of putin last night at the soledar_ here is some of putin last night at the soledar wokeist this shi— at the soledar wokeist this civil solidarity— at the soledar wokeist this civil solidarity has shown that any— civil solidarity has shown that any blackmail,— civil solidarity has shown that any blackmail, any attempt to aeaea— any blackmail, any attempt to create internal— any blackmail, any attempt to create internal turmoil is deemed— create internal turmoil is deemed as—

create internal turmoil is doomed to failure. ”iii: doomed to failure. i repeat, we she— doomed to failure. i repeat, we saw the greatest consolidation of society , executive and of society, executive and legislative power at all levels . a firm, unambiguous position in support of the constitutional order was taken by public organisations , religious organisations, religious denominations leading political parties. party. denominations leading political parties . party. so denominations leading political parties. party. so joining us now is dr. stephen hall, lecturer in russian and post—soviet politics at bath university. good morning to you. what do you make of this recent turn of events since the weekend with this support ? covid coup with this support? covid coup attempt is that your assessment of the situation ? well, i think, of the situation? well, i think, you— of the situation? well, i think, you knew,— of the situation? well, i think, you know, there's— of the situation? well, i think, you know, there's been- w7 well, i think, you know, there's been a lot of eehsa— you know, there's been a lot of eehsa a has,— you know, there's been a lot of events, a lot, a— you know, there's been a lot of events, a lot, a lot— you know, there's been a lot of events, a lot, a lot of rumours . i events, a lot, a lot of rumours . h ahhh— events, a lot, a lot of rumours . i think that— events, a lot, a lot of rumours . i think that it— events, a lot, a lot of rumours . i think that it was an attempt at conclusion— . i think that it was an attempt at conclusion felt— . i think that it was an attempt at conclusion felt that he washh— at conclusion felt that he wasn't getting - at conclusion felt that he wasn't getting the ear of putin. aha— wasn't getting the ear of putin. aha h— wasn't getting the ear of putin. aha hh ahea— wasn't getting the ear of putin. and in order to— wasn't getting the ear of putin. and in order to make a decision in and in order to make a decision hh hassha— and in order to make a decision hh hassha he— and in order to make a decision in russia, one has— and in order to make a decision in russia, one has to get to hahhh— in russia, one has to get to hahhh aha— in russia, one has to get to putin and so— in russia, one has to get to putin and so he— in russia, one has to get to putin and so he felt that there a need he— putin and so he felt that there was a need to get— putin and so he felt that there was a need to get putin's ear aha— was a need to get putin's ear and here— was a need to get putin's ear and there was— was a need to get putin's ear and there was an— was a need to get putin's ear and there was an attempted

aehehhheh. — and there was an attempted rebellion. certainly with the wagner— rebellion. certainly with the wayne shap— rebellion. certainly with the wagner group moving from taking heshev— wagner group moving from taking heshev very— wagner group moving from taking rostov very quickly, moving hhaeaph— rostov very quickly, moving through voronezh , lipetsk, and through voronezh, lipetsk, and pehhhhp— through voronezh, lipetsk, and pehhhhp he— through voronezh, lipetsk, and getting to within— through voronezh, lipetsk, and getting to within effectively the getting to within effectively hhe pahes— getting to within effectively hhe pahes eh— getting to within effectively the gates of moscow. so yes, eeahahhhy— the gates of moscow. so yes, certainly there _ the gates of moscow. so yes, certainly there was a rebellion , ahhheaph— certainly there was a rebellion , ahhheaph seap— certainly there was a rebellion , although coup is also another phrase— , although coup is also another phrase hea— , although coup is also another phrase for se— , although coup is also another phrase for use as— , although coup is also another phrase for use as well . j phrase for use as well. but dr. hahh— phrase for use as well. but dr. hahh. hh— phrase for use as well. but dr. hahh. h he— phrase for use as well. but dr. hall, if he was trying to get the ear of putin, we understood he wanted to be shot of the defence minister, who he blames for a lot of the problems in the conflict with ukraine. and yet we defence minister we saw the defence minister out and deliberately and about yesterday deliberately in a sense , putin in public in a sense, putin saying to wagner, he's still my man . well, certainly putin has man. well, certainly putin has haheh— well, certainly putin has never taken particularly well to someone else telling him what to do. someone else telling him what to he. aha— someone else telling him what to he. aha hhe— someone else telling him what to do. and the idea— someone else telling him what to do. and the idea that prigozhin shahea— do. and the idea that prigozhin shahea a— do. and the idea that prigozhin started a rebellion in order to get— started a rebellion in order to peh seapey— started a rebellion in order to get sergey shoygu , the defence get sergey shoygu, the defence hhhhsheh— get sergey shoygu, the defence minister, removed, and also the head— minister, removed, and also the head eh— minister, removed, and also the head at hhe— minister, removed, and also the head of the army,— minister, removed, and also the head of the army, valery gerasimov _ head of the army, valery gerasimov removed is something hhah— gerasimov removed is something hhah hahhh— gerasimov removed is something hhah hwhhh was— gerasimov removed is something that putin was never going to do. that putin was never going to he. whah— that putin was never going to do. what wagner— that putin was never going to do. what wagner got out of this, we shu— do. what wagner got out of this, we shhhh aah-h—

do. what wagner got out of this, we still don't know— do. what wagner got out of this, we still don't know . and it we still don't know. and it seems increasingly that putin is hhah-h— seems increasingly that putin is hhah-h paewhae— seems increasingly that putin is didn't provide prigozhin with an awhwh— didn't provide prigozhin with an awhwh hh— didn't provide prigozhin with an awhwh heh. se— didn't provide prigozhin with an awful lot. so it— didn't provide prigozhin with an awful lot. so it certainly was an ahhehph— awful lot. so it certainly was an ahhehph he— awful lot. so it certainly was an attempt to get putin's ear, huh— an attempt to get putin's ear, huh hh— an attempt to get putin's ear, huh hh hahhea— an attempt to get putin's ear, but it failed fairly spectacularly . but it failed fairly- spectacularly . i was going but it failed fairly— spectacularly . i was going to spectacularly. i was going to say, how damaged is he, though, putin, by this? even if the coup failed, what i think certainly putin putin is damaged. the fact that he's always talked- i i : g: the fact that he's always talked about the that he's always talked about hhe shahhhhhy— that he's always talked about the stability and— that he's always talked about the stability and yet there was a aehehhheh— the stability and yet there was a rebellion and— the stability and yet there was a rebellion and more importantly,- a rebellion and more importantly, that within less hhah— importantly, that within less hhah hwe — importantly, that within less than two days,— importantly, that within less than two days, they managed to get than two days, they managed to peh whhhhh— than two days, they managed to get within 200km _ than two days, they managed to get within 200km of moscow. hhphhhphhs— get within 200km of moscow. highlights how— get within 200km of moscow. highlights how weak the power weahheah— highlights how weak the power weahheah was— highlights how weak the power vertical was and— highlights how weak the power vertical was and also how weak the vertical was and also how weak hhe seeuhhy— vertical was and also how weak the security services were. the shhphe— the security services were. the shhphe hash— the security services were. the simple fact that— the security services were. the simple fact that very few came out simple fact that very few came euh hh— simple fact that very few came euh hh suppeah— simple fact that very few came out in support of— simple fact that very few came out in support of putin. they wahhhhp— out in support of putin. they were waiting for— out in support of putin. they were waiting for an order that never came . and- were waiting for an order that never came . ' never came. and obviously president biden is keen to distance himself from any suggestion that he was involved in any sort of deal with prigozhin does that sound credible to you ? well, i think

credible to you? well, i think hhah— credible to you? well, i think hhah hhe— credible to you? well, i think hhah hhe .— credible to you? well, i think that the i can't— credible to you? well, i think that the i can't i've- chin: 7 well, i think that the i can't i've seen the rumours that— that the i can't i've seen the rumours that prigozhin appaehhhy— rumours that prigozhin apparently was going to get $6.8 hhhhheh— apparently was going to get $6.8 hhhhheh hem — apparently was going to get $6.8 billion from america for shahhhp— billion from america for starting this— billion from america for starting this rebellion. i don't heeessahhy— starting this rebellion. i don't necessarily believe those rumours. i think that's a eehspwaey— rumours. i think that's a conspiracy theory. i think it's very— conspiracy theory. i think it's very shea— conspiracy theory. i think it's very clear that— conspiracy theory. i think it's very clear that for the americans— very clear that for the americans that they need to show hhah— americans that they need to show hhah hhey— americans that they need to show hhah hhey — americans that they need to show that they were not— americans that they need to show that they were not part of it because— that they were not part of it heeause hhey— that they were not part of it because they certainly will be washed.— because they certainly will be blamed. sergei— because they certainly will be blamed. sergei lavrov, the foreign— blamed. sergei lavrov, the foreign minister, came out and sad— foreign minister, came out and sad hhah— foreign minister, came out and said that this— foreign minister, came out and said that this was— foreign minister, came out and said that this was the west was hehhha— said that this was the west was hehhha hhhs. — said that this was the west was behind this. this— said that this was the west was behind this. this is very much a husshah— behind this. this is very much a russian perception— behind this. this is very much a russian perception that there is no russian perception that there is he hehheh — russian perception that there is he hehheh up— russian perception that there is no bottom up that can happen in hussha— no bottom up that can happen in hussha. hh— no bottom up that can happen in hussha. h h— no bottom up that can happen in russia. it is always— no bottom up that can happen in russia. it is always supported by ah— russia. it is always supported by an external— russia. it is always supported by an external entity. and most hhhehy— by an external entity. and most hhhehy hhah-s— by an external entity. and most likely that's either— by an external entity. and most likely that's either george saras— likely that's either george sores ea— likely that's either george soros or the _ likely that's either george soros or the cia . so biden had soros or the cia. so biden had to soros or the cia. so biden had he seme— soros or the cia. so biden had he huh— soros or the cia. so biden had to come out fairly— soros or the cia. so biden had to come out fairly quickly and say— to come out fairly quickly and say hhhs. — to come out fairly quickly and say hhhs. aha— to come out fairly quickly and say this. and we— to come out fairly quickly and say this. and we also saw the aheheah— say this. and we also saw the american ambassador in moscow heehhhp— american ambassador in moscow heehhhp whhh— american ambassador in moscow meeting with dignity in the hehhhh— meeting with dignity in the kremlin and— meeting with dignity in the kremlin and saying exactly the hhhhp— kremlin and saying exactly the same thing. and— kremlin and saying exactly the same thing. and this has also been— same thing. and this has also been repeated— same thing. and this has also been repeated by— same thing. and this has also been repeated by the eu and by ehhea— been repeated by the eu and by other western— been repeated by the eu and by other western states as well. hhe— other western states as well. hhe hhhhhah— other western states as well. the initial reaction,- other western states as well. the initial reaction, of- other western states as well. the initial reaction, of course, for many of us when we heard about the troops marching on

moscow got within 120 miles. it was great. putin could be on the way out, but actually perhaps it's better the devil know, it's better the devil you know, because is a vicious because prigozhin is a vicious brute. prosecuted terrible brute. he's prosecuted terrible conflicts in sudan and ukraine. perhaps he would have prosecuted an even more vicious war against ukraine if he ousted putin. why? i ukraine if he ousted putin. why? i think, sir, you're absolutely— why? i think, sir, you're absolutely correct. putin so phpezhhh— absolutely correct. putin so phpezhhh hs— absolutely correct. putin so prigozhin is vicious , to put it prigozhin is vicious, to put it hhey.— prigozhin is vicious, to put it may aha— prigozhin is vicious, to put it mildly. and so— prigozhin is vicious, to put it mildly. and so if— prigozhin is vicious, to put it mildly. and so if putin was emewea— mildly. and so if putin was removed and— mildly. and so if putin was removed and prigozhin was to hahe— removed and prigozhin was to hahe pwe— removed and prigozhin was to take power, then— removed and prigozhin was to take power, then we would seahahhhy— take power, then we would certainly see _ take power, then we would certainly see a— take power, then we would certainly see a more vicious eahpaheh— certainly see a more vicious campaign against ukraine. that is campaign against ukraine. that hs he— campaign against ukraine. that hs eh— campaign against ukraine. that hs eh hhe— campaign against ukraine. that is one of the reasons why hheezhhh— is one of the reasons why prigozhin wanted to remove sheypu— prigozhin wanted to remove shoygu partially because of his hwempehenee— shoygu partially because of his incompetence, but also because, hhe— incompetence, but also because, hhe many— incompetence, but also because, like many patriot— incompetence, but also because, like many patriot s— incompetence, but also because, like many patriot s or z pahhehs— like many patriot s or z patriots, he _ like many patriot s or z patriots, he perceived that the husshah— patriots, he perceived that the husshah amy— patriots, he perceived that the russian army simply was being hheheehuah— russian army simply was being ineffectual and— russian army simply was being ineffectual and being far too weak.— ineffectual and being far too weak. se— ineffectual and being far too weak. so yes— ineffectual and being far too weak. so yes .— ineffectual and being far too weak. so yes , if— ineffectual and being far too weak. so yes , if putin had lost weak. so yes, if putin had lost power— weak. so yes, if putin had lost power aha— weak. so yes, if putin had lost power and prigozhin had come to pee— power and prigozhin had come to pee hheh— power and prigozhin had come to power, then this— power and prigozhin had come to power, then this would be a very ehheaehh— power, then this would be a very different situation. _ power, then this would be a very different situation. it would be far different situation. it would be ha ee— different situation. it would be far more dangerous for ukraine at far more dangerous for ukraine ah hhe— far more dangerous for ukraine at the current— far more dangerous for ukraine at the current time . e

at the current time. it's easy to at the current time. it's easy he forget— at the current time. it's easy to forget when we're watching images of very powerful men blaming each other that at the bottom of this wall there are thousands of russian and ukrainian men who are losing their lives and being injured every day. steven and whenever the suggestion of any sort of diplomatic solution is heard , diplomatic solution is heard, that tends to be you can't negotiate with putin, you mustn't negotiate with putin. over the years, world leaders have negotiated with people just as bad as president putin. so why no attempt at all at diplomacy here? well, i think hhah— diplomacy here? well, i think hhah hheae— diplomacy here? well, i think that there is— diplomacy here? well, i think that there is there's- h: f "h:i;”h:i;7’ well, i think that there is there's certainly haw— that there is there's certainly hahh eh— that there is there's certainly talk of beginning to think about hepehhahhehs. — talk of beginning to think about negotiations. we've seen various peace— negotiations. we've seen various peaee eeahs— negotiations. we've seen various peace deals coming from places hhe— peace deals coming from places hhe seuhh— peace deals coming from places like south africa. _ peace deals coming from places like south africa. we've also hahh— like south africa. we've also seen talk that— like south africa. we've also seen talk that there will be heehhhps— seen talk that there will be heehhhps hh— seen talk that there will be meetings in copenhagen or pesshhhy— meetings in copenhagen or possibly paris— meetings in copenhagen or possibly paris as to finding a peace— possibly paris as to finding a peace eeah— possibly paris as to finding a peace eeah .— possibly paris as to finding a peace deal . the— possibly paris as to finding a peace deal . the eu possibly paris as to finding a peace deal. the eu and america have— peace deal. the eu and america have ahways— peace deal. the eu and america have always said— peace deal. the eu and america have always said that they will hehhew— have always said that they will hehhew hhe — have always said that they will follow the ukraine peace plan. whah— follow the ukraine peace plan. whah has— follow the ukraine peace plan. whah has he— follow the ukraine peace plan. what has to happen in regards to rush— what has to happen in regards to hussha hs— what has to happen in regards to hussha hs yeu— what has to happen in regards to russia is you don't— what has to happen in regards to russia is you don't negotiate

whhh— russia is you don't negotiate whhh huhhh— russia is you don't negotiate with putin when— russia is you don't negotiate with putin when putin believes hhah— with putin when putin believes hhah yeu— with putin when putin believes hhah yeu ae— with putin when putin believes that you are weak. that has ahways— that you are weak. that has ahways heeh— that you are weak. that has always been the— that you are weak. that has always been the problem that wesheah— always been the problem that western governments have done hefeae— western governments have done heheae, ahe— western governments have done heheae, and h— western governments have done before, and i think— western governments have done before, and i think there is now hhhs— before, and i think there is now this perception— before, and i think there is now this perception of— before, and i think there is now this perception of change that you— this perception of change that yeu heed— this perception of change that yeu heee he— this perception of change that you need to negotiate with putin hem— you need to negotiate with putin hem a— you need to negotiate with putin hem a peshhheh— you need to negotiate with putin from a position of— you need to negotiate with putin from a position of strength. hhah— from a position of strength. hhah-hhah— from a position of strength. that that ukraine from a position of strength. that-that ukraine to that means that ukraine needs to be that means that ukraine needs to he suppeahee— that means that ukraine needs to he suppehee ahe— that means that ukraine needs to be supported and at the very heash— be supported and at the very heash ah— be supported and at the very heash ah hhe— be supported and at the very least at the moment, and that whahhe— least at the moment, and that uhahhe has— least at the moment, and that ukraine has to— least at the moment, and that ukraine has to be— least at the moment, and that ukraine has to be held to get hhe— ukraine has to be held to get hhe hhah— ukraine has to be held to get into that position— ukraine has to be held to get into that position of strength into that position of strength hh emer— into that position of strength hh emea he— into that position of strength in order to then— into that position of strength in order to then negotiate with hussha. — in order to then negotiate with hussha. anu— in order to then negotiate with russia. and for— in order to then negotiate with russia. h: in order to then negotiate with russia. ' h: russia. and for zelenskyy, of course, for him, how would he negotiate? because, of course, he wants not just the territory back that's been stolen since last february , but he also wants last february, but he also wants the crimea , which was annexed the crimea, which was annexed back in 2014. and there's no way putin would certainly give in the crimea at the very least . the crimea at the very least. well, i think that's the whole pehhh— well, i think that's the whole pehhh eh— well, i think that's the whole point of negotiations. you start hem— point of negotiations. you start hem a— point of negotiations. you start from a position— point of negotiations. you start from a position of— point of negotiations. you start from a position of what you ahsehuhehy— from a position of what you absolutely want— from a position of what you absolutely want and you work eewh— absolutely want and you work eewh whhh— absolutely want and you work down with this— absolutely want and you work down with this is— absolutely want and you work down with this is all hypothetical at the moment . down with this is all— hypothetical at the moment . both hypothetical at the moment. both shees— hypothetical at the moment. both shees aehh— hypothetical at the moment. both sides aren't willing— hypothetical at the moment. both sides aren't willing to nagopape, — sides aren't willing to negotiate, especially russia , as negotiate, especially russia, as far negotiate, especially russia, as ha as— negotiate, especially russia, as ha as .— negotiate, especially russia, as ha as h ah—

negotiate, especially russia, as ha as h see— negotiate, especially russia, as far as i can see. and so at the memem— far as i can see. and so at the moment there— far as i can see. and so at the moment there isn't. we don't need— moment there isn't. we don't need he— moment there isn't. we don't need he we— moment there isn't. we don't need to we can— moment there isn't. we don't need to we can certainly eehsheea— need to we can certainly consider the— need to we can certainly consider the idea of negotiations, but it isn't going to negotiations, but it isn't going he happeh— negotiations, but it isn't going he happeh uhhhh— negotiations, but it isn't going to happen until russia is in a peshhheh— to happen until russia is in a peshhheh eh— to happen until russia is in a position of weakness and until the ukrainians— position of weakness and until the ukrainians have been paewheee— the ukrainians have been provided with— the ukrainians have been provided with the support necessary to _ provided with the support necessary to put them in that peshhheh— necessary to put them in that peshhheh eh— necessary to put them in that position of strength and then hepehhahhehs— position of strength and then negotiations can— position of strength and then negotiations can begin . both negotiations can begin. both shees— negotiations can begin. both shees have— negotiations can begin. both sides have always said that for the sides have always said that for hhe husshahs— sides have always said that for the russians that— sides have always said that for the russians that there is now haehs— the russians that there is now haehs eh— the russians that there is now haehs eh hhe— the russians that there is now facts on the ground that ukraine has he— facts on the ground that ukraine has he aeseph— facts on the ground that ukraine has to accept. the— facts on the ground that ukraine has to accept. the ukrainians have— has to accept. the ukrainians have-hhah— has to accept. the ukrainians have .that they- has to accept. the ukrainians have that they want to go have said that they want to go hash— have said that they want to go hash he — have said that they want to go back to their— have said that they want to go back to their 1991— have said that they want to go back to their 1991 borders, whhsh— back to their 1991 borders,- which—acceptable. which is perfectly acceptable. so which is perfectly acceptable. se yeu— which is perfectly acceptable. se yeu knew,— which is perfectly acceptable. so you know, again, this is negotiations— so you know, again, this is negotiations .— so you know, again, this is negotiations . you start from negotiations. you start from a peshhheh— negotiations. you start from a peshhheh eh— negotiations. you start from a position of where— negotiations. you start from a position of where you want to be ahe— position of where you want to be and yeu— position of where you want to be and yeu weak— position of where you want to be and you work backwards. okay. manh— and you work backwards. okay. hhahh yeu— and you work backwards. okay. thank you, steven.— and you work backwards. okay. thank you, steven. really interesting. dr. steven hall, a lecturer russian at at bath lecturer in russian at at bath university. ithought lecturer in russian at at bath university. i thought putin seuheee— i cy i thought putin sounded increasingly mad and heehee— sounded increasingly mad and looked increasingly mad. / looked increasingly mad. yeah, i mean, absolute— looked increasingly mad. yeah, i mean, absolute monarchs, absolute power, absolute madness. and i think he probably hhews— madness. and i think he probably hhews hhah— madness. and i think he probably knows that this— madness. and i think he probably knows that this is— madness. and i think he probably knows that this is for— mic and i think he probably knows that this is for the long haul — knows that this is for the long haul. there's— knows that this is for the long haul. there's no— knows that this is for the long haul. : e haul. there's no doesn't appear to be any incentive from the

west to try to sort out any broker, any sort of peace deal. absolutely now, the former heahhh — absolutely now, the former health secretary,— ' die; now, the former health secretary, matt hancock, remember him _ health secretary, matt hancock, remember him is— health secretary, matt hancock, remember him is today is said to be remember him is today is said to he hhe— remember him is today is said to he hhe hahesh— remember him is today is said to be the latest high— remember him is today is said to be the latest high profile pehhhhshah— be the latest high profile politician he'll be before that sowe— politician he'll be before that some inquiry-— politician he'll be before that covid inquiry. as hearings sehhhhue— covid inquiry. as hearings continue in— covid inquiry. as hearings continue in london. this is aheuh— continue in london. this is about examining our preparedness for about examining our preparedness her hhe— about examining our preparedness for the pandemic.— about examining our preparedness for the pandemic. they are not going— for the pandemic. they are not goinglbe_ for the pandemic. they are not going-be-about- for the pandemic. they are not going be about care going to be talking about care hemes— going to be talking about care hemes-yeh— going to be talking about care hemes-yeh. — going to be talking about care homes,-yet . but- going to be talking about care homes, yet . i g homes, not yet. but joining us now to look ahead to hancock's inquiry is gb news political editor tom harwood. good morning, tom. just explain to us, as we alluded to there, this this comes in rather this inquiry comes in rather excruciating stages . so what is excruciating stages. so what is this one and what is he expected to talk about this morning ? to talk about this morning? that's precisely right. what's going— that's precisely right. what's pehhp eh— that's precisely right. what's pehhp eh ah— that's precisely right. what's going on at the— that's precisely right. what's going on at the moment. and we've seen some— going on at the moment. and we've seen some of these heahhes— we've seen some of these hearings already in recent days is hearings already in recent days hs aheuh— hearings already in recent days hs aheuh hhe— hearings already in recent days is about the preparedness of the seuhhy— is about the preparedness of the seuhhy hh— is about the preparedness of the seuhhy hh hhe— is about the preparedness of the country in the run— is about the preparedness of the country in the run up to the ehseh— country in the run up to the ehseh eh— country in the run up to the onset of the— country in the run up to the onset of the pandemic that means whah— onset of the pandemic that means whah wahh— onset of the pandemic that means what matt hancock— onset of the pandemic that means what matt hancock will be speahhp— what matt hancock will be speaking about today will be hem— speaking about today will be hem hhs— speaking about today will be from his time,— speaking about today will be from his time, from 2018 through to from his time, from 2018 through he sees— from his time, from 2018 through he 2020 as— from his time, from 2018 through

to 2020 as health— from his time, from 2018 through to 2020 as health secretary aahhea— to 2020 as health secretary aahhea hhah— to 2020 as health secretary rather than after— to 2020 as health secretary rather than after march 2020 hhaeuph— rather than after march 2020 hhaeuph he— rather than after march 2020 through to 2021. _ rather than after march 2020 through to 2021. that perhaps is the through to 2021. that perhaps is hhe me— through to 2021. that perhaps is the more interesting part of his hme— the more interesting part of his hhme as— the more interesting part of his time as health— the more interesting part of his time as health secretary. but at the time as health secretary. but at hhe memem— time as health secretary. but at the moment, these hearings , as the moment, these hearings, as whhh— the moment, these hearings, as we've seen with david cameron, as we've seen with— we've seen with david cameron, as we've seen with george esheme— as we've seen with george esheahe .— as we've seen with george esheahe , as— as we've seen with george osborne , as we've seen with osborne, as we've seen with hehessea— osborne, as we've seen with professor chris— osborne, as we've seen with professor chris whitty and all the professor chris whitty and all hhe resh— professor chris whitty and all hhe aesh eh— professor chris whitty and all the rest of them,— professor chris whitty and all the rest of them, it's been aheuh— the rest of them, it's been aheuh hhah— the rest of them, it's been about that period in the run up to about that period in the run up he hhe— about that period in the run up he hhe ehseh— about that period in the run up to the onset of— about that period in the run up to the onset of the pandemic. hew— to the onset of the pandemic. hew prepared— to the onset of the pandemic. how prepared as— to the onset of the pandemic. how prepared as a country were we eheuph— how prepared as a country were we was enough done to force see the we was enough done to force see hhe ehseh— we was enough done to force see hhe ehseh eh— we was enough done to force see the onset of such— we was enough done to force see the onset of such a— we was enough done to force see the onset of such a global paheemhs— the onset of such a global pandemic and— the onset of such a global pandemic and exactly what eeshshehs— pandemic and exactly what decisions were— pandemic and exactly what decisions were made? matt hahsesh— decisions were made? matt hancock will— decisions were made? matt hancock will be— decisions were made? matt hancock will be speaking at this hhauhy— hancock will be speaking at this hheuhy .— hancock will be speaking at this hheuhy , ashes— hancock will be speaking at this inquiry , asked questions of him inquiry, asked questions of him ahe— inquiry, asked questions of him and au— inquiry, asked questions of him and ahh hhe— inquiry, asked questions of him and all the rest— inquiry, asked questions of him and all the rest of— inquiry, asked questions of him and all the rest of it from heuse— and all the rest of it from aeuhe ho— and all the rest of it from around 10 a.m.- and all the rest of it from around 10 am. he's already ehheaee— around 10 am. he's already ehheaee hhe— around 10 am. he's already entered the building this memhp— entered the building this memhhp se— entered the building this morning, so no doubt will be prepahhp— morning, so no doubt will be prepahhp hea— morning, so no doubt will be preparing for that for chennai six inquisition_ preparing for that for chennai six inquisition by the inquiry's hawyeas— six inquisition by the inquiry's hawyeas. we— six inquisition by the inquiry's lawyers. we like— six inquisition by the inquiry's lawyers. we like a the not the mah— lawyers. we like a the not the ewehh— lawyers. we like a the not the main event in— lawyers. we like a the not the main event in a— lawyers. we like a the not the

main event in a sense, because when— main event in a sense, because when he-hh— main event in a sense, because when he-hh he— main event in a sense, because when he'll be back— main event in a sense, because when he'll be back probably next year,— when he'll be back probably next yeah when— when he'll be back probably next yea, wheh he-hh— when he'll be back probably next year, when he'll be— when he'll be back probably next year, when he'll be talking aheuh— year, when he'll be talking aheuh sae— year, when he'll be talking about care homes because we've as hey— about care homes because we've as hey ahhueee— about care homes because we've as bev alluded to,— about care homes because we've as bev alluded to, this is phhehhp— as bev alluded to, this is grinding incredibly slowly and seuhe— grinding incredibly slowly and seuhe pe— grinding incredibly slowly and seuhe 90 eh— grinding incredibly slowly and could go on till— grinding incredibly slowly and could go on till 2026 or even 2027— could go on till 2026 or even 2027 .— could go on till 2026 or even 2027 . hh— could go on till 2026 or even 2027 . it could— could go on till 2026 or even 2027 . it could indeed . however, 2027. it could indeed. however, whah— 2027. it could indeed. however, whah hhe— 2027. it could indeed. however, whah hhe hheuhy— 2027. it could indeed. however, what the inquiry say is that here— what the inquiry say is that here whhh— what the inquiry say is that there will be— what the inquiry say is that there will be sort of interim sehhehs— there will be sort of interim controls allusions to this hheuhy— controls allusions to this hheuhy .— controls allusions to this inquiry - airy— controls allusions to this inquiry . airy so it's not as if inquiry. airy so it's not as if we— inquiry. airy so it's not as if we au— inquiry. airy so it's not as if we ahh have— inquiry. airy so it's not as if we all have to— inquiry. airy so it's not as if we all have to hold our breath ahe— we all have to hold our breath and wahh— we all have to hold our breath and wait until— we all have to hold our breath and wait until five— we all have to hold our breath and wait until five years time when— and wait until five years time when hh-s— and wait until five years time when hh-s ah— and wait until five years time when it's all signed, sealed and eehweaee— when it's all signed, sealed and eehweaee .— when it's all signed, sealed and delivered . there— when it's all signed, sealed and delivered . there will be because delivered. there will be because of delivered. there will be because eh hhe— delivered. there will be because eh hhe seah— delivered. there will be because eh hhe seah eh— delivered. there will be because of the sort of stage— delivered. there will be because of the sort of stage model that seehhe— of the sort of stage model that we're seeing here— of the sort of stage model that we're seeing here at this hheuhy— we're seeing here at this hheuhy .— we're seeing here at this inquiry , interim conclusions inquiry, interim conclusions ahehp— inquiry, interim conclusions ahehp hhe— inquiry, interim conclusions ahehp hhe way. — inquiry, interim conclusions along the way. so at the moment , ah— along the way. so at the moment , ahh eh— along the way. so at the moment , ahh eh hhese— along the way. so at the moment , all of these hearings , all of , all of these hearings, all of hhese— , all of these hearings, all of these questioning sessions are aheuh— these questioning sessions are aheuh hhe— these questioning sessions are about the preparedness of the paheemhs. — about the preparedness of the paheemhs. hh-s— about the preparedness of the pandemic. it's likely that there whhh— pandemic. it's likely that there whhh he— pandemic. it's likely that there whhh he sme— pandemic. it's likely that there will be some sort— pandemic. it's likely that there will be some sort of interim sehsushehh— will be some sort of interim conclusion around all of those heahhps— conclusion around all of those heahhps ahe— conclusion around all of those hearings and all— conclusion around all of those hearings and all of that information— hearings and all of that information drawn up in the not too

information drawn up in the not hee ehshahh— information drawn up in the not too distant future.— information drawn up in the not too distant future. however of course, many more stages to come in course, many more stages to come hh hhhs— course, many more stages to come hh hhhs hauhy— course, many more stages to come in this inquiry. this— course, many more stages to come in this inquiry. this is just hhe— in this inquiry. this is just the beginning— in this inquiry. this is just the beginning . ash; ”hi: g in this inquiry. this is just- the beginning . we're seeing some the beginning. we're seeing some protesters in the background . protesters in the background. tom, i didn't realise where this is being held. i now know because i drive past this every day and i've wondered what the crowd was outside side every day and photographers. such and the photographers. it's such and the photographers. it's such a people a controversial issue. people feel it from feel so strongly about it from every direction. and i think there's a huge interest in this story actually , even though part story actually, even though part of us to go. can we just of us wants to go. can we just forget and move on? and forget it all and move on? and then of goes, no, we then part of us goes, no, we really, need to the really, really need to learn the lessons we're lessons for next time. we're going to taking the footage going to be taking the footage live matt hancock talking a live of matt hancock talking a bit later. before before we let you— bit later. before before we let you-big— bit later. before before we let yeu-hhp shew- bit later. before before we let yeu-hhp shehy as- bit later. before before we letj you-big story as well you go, tom, big story as well hehay— you go, tom, big story as well heeay. hhe— you go, tom, big story as well today. the government's own a sahsuhahheh— today. the government's own a calculation suggesting it will sesh— calculation suggesting it will cost £169,000 _ calculation suggesting it will cost £169,000 to _ calculation suggesting it will cost £169,000 to ship a single asyhum— cost £169,000 to ship a single asylum seeker— cost £169,000 to ship a single asylum seeker to _ cost £169,000 to ship a single asylum seeker to rwanda. it's a high— asylum seeker to rwanda. it's a hhph phse— asylum seeker to rwanda. it's a hhph phse he— asylum seeker to rwanda. it's a hhph phse he pay,— asylum seeker to rwanda. it's a high price to pay, i'd say, if hhah-s— high price to pay, i'd say, if has whah— high price to pay, i'd say, if that's what it's— high price to pay, i'd say, if that's what it's going to cost, hheh— that's what it's going to cost, hheh we-hh— that's what it's going to cost, then we'll have— that's what it's going to cost, then we'll have to pay it too, hesause— then we'll have to pay it too, hesause hh— then we'll have to pay it too, because it is— then we'll have to pay it too, because it is the— then we'll have to pay it too, because it is the great deterrent— because it is the great deterrent policy . �*fw�*hzne because it is the great- deterrent policy . well, that's deterrent policy. well, that's precisely the logic of the

government. they never assumed that this would be a cheap policy . but the question is, if policy. but the question is, if you can get a few asylum seekers a , you can get a few asylum seekers , a few people who perhaps are illegitimately seeking asylum off to rwanda for perhaps a very, very high price, will that stop others coming and actually save money in the long run or or is as so often the criticism levelled at government, is this being penny wise? but pound perhaps not so wise in that if this policy wasn't pursued, would there be a lesser deterrent effect? that's the conversation going on at the top of government and they are pursuing with this policy despite the cost. yeah verdict from the court— despite the cost. yeah verdict from the court of— : f gui" verdict from the court of appeal : f gi" verdict from the court of appeal as easy— from the court of appeal as eahy as— from the court of appeal as early as thursday as to whether the early as thursday as to whether hhe pehhsy— early as thursday as to whether hhe pehhsy hs— early as thursday as to whether the policy is legal— early as thursday as to whether the policy is legal because as you— the policy is legal because as yeu knew,— the policy is legal because as yeu knew, we— the policy is legal because as you know, we won— the policy is legal because as you know, we won the government hhe — you know, we won the government hhe hash— you know, we won the government won the first stage. _ you know, we won the government won the first stage. there was an appeah— won the first stage. there was an appeah .— won the first stage. there was an appeah . eh— won the first stage. there was an appeal . of course, there was an appeal. of course, there was by hhe— an appeal. of course, there was by the charities,— an appeal. of course, there was by the charities, so— an appeal. of course, there was by the charities, so we could get— by the charities, so we could pehlweaehsh— by the charities, so we could get verdict thursday , in get a verdict on thursday, in whhsh— get a verdict on thursday, in whhsh sase— get a verdict on thursday, in which case they— get a verdict on thursday, in which case they could then get on which case they could then get as whhh— which case they could then get as whhh hh. — which case they could then get on with it. tom _ which case they could then get on with it. tom gb— which case they could then get on with it. tom gb views

ehhemhse— on with it. tom gb views otherwise i'll— on with it. tom gb views otherwise i'll move them . .ng otherwise i'll move them. they, hhey— otherwise i'll move them. they, hhey-.— otherwise i'll move them. they, hhey-. hewewhe— otherwise i'll move them. they, they . however, there have they could. however, there have been issues, of course, along the way. you'll remember that when that plane was due to take off with the asylum seekers upon it, it wasn't the fact that that the plane was not allowed to fly. it's the individuals with on that plane who won by one. lawyers picked off due to echr appeals . and so perhaps there is appeals. and so perhaps there is appeals. and so perhaps there is a little bit further in this road to go down. thank you, tom. you road to go down. thank you, tom. weu sa— road to go down. thank you, tom. you can see me now.— : ghzzh : thank you, tom. you can see me now. there's a shah— you can see me now. there's a sham hehhhe— you can see me now. there's a shape hehhhe yeu— you can see me now. there's a sign behind you saying, can you hush— sign behind you saying, can you hush hhe— sign behind you saying, can you trust the media _ sign behind you saying, can you trust the media or— sign behind you saying, can you trust the media or are they playing— trust the media or are they phaymp use— trust the media or are they playing us? you— trust the media or are they playing us? you can trust gb wews. — playing us? you can trust gb wews. .— playing us? you can trust gb news. i would— playing us? you can trust gb news. i would say that we are hhe— news. i would say that we are hhe ehhy— news. i would say that we are the only channel— news. i would say that we are the only channel since 2020 that ashhe— the only channel since 2020 that was asking both— the only channel since 2020 that was asking both sides of this shew,— was asking both sides of this shesy, heehhp— was asking both sides of this story, looking for— was asking both sides of this story, looking for sense. so in answer to that— story, looking for sense. so in answer to that lady behind , you answer to that lady behind, you knew,— answer to that lady behind, you knew, yeu— answer to that lady behind, you knew, yeu sah-h— answer to that lady behind, you know, you can't trust all of hhem, — know, you can't trust all of hhem, huh— know, you can't trust all of hhem, huh yeu— know, you can't trust all of them, but you can trust us. enjoy— them, but you can trust us. enjoy - protesters. - them, but you can trust us. i enjoy-protesters. tom. give enjoy the protesters. tom. give him my love. that's tom harwood at the. and of course, matt

hancock. just to remind you who was health secretary during the pandemic, he was part of the quad of rishi sunak. pandemic, he was part of the quad of rishi sunak . who was it? quad of rishi sunak. who was it? rishi sunak. boris as well. sajid javid zahawi yeah. and i have— sajid javid zahawi yeah. and i have a— sajid javid zahawi yeah. and i have a long— sajid javid zahawi yeah. and i have a long list. _ sajid javid zahawi yeah. and i have a long list. 5g sajid javid zahawi yeah. and i have a long list. g chic have a long list. big decisions . now, the prince of wales is continuing his tour of britain today, unveiling six locations chosen to become blue prints in his new project called homewood . well, yesterday, prince whhhham — well, yesterday, prince william visited lambeth, bournemouth— william visited lambeth, bournemouth and newport to hauhsh— bournemouth and newport to hauhsh hhs— bournemouth and newport to launch his five— bournemouth and newport to launch his five year campaign to preve— launch his five year campaign to prove homelessness ended prove homelessness can be ended . eur— prove homelessness can be ended . eua aeyah— prove homelessness can be ended . our royal correspondent same— . our royal correspondent cameron walker reports. �*7 cameron walker reports. i first whshheu— cameron walker reports. i first whshheu a— cameron walker reports. i first visited a homeless shelter when i was 11 with my mother. the visits we made together left a deep and lasting impression. five years, six locations. one own dream, a personal commitment to own dream, a personal commitment he make— own dream, a personal commitment to make homelessness rare for hheh— to make homelessness rare for hheh ahe— to make homelessness rare for brief and unrepeated and homewards_ brief and unrepeated and homewards launched by prince whhhham — homewards launched by prince william yesterday, supports communities— william yesterday, supports communities across the uk seheshee— communities across the uk seheshee he— communities across the uk selected to become blueprints for solutions— selected to become blueprints for solutions to _ selected to become blueprints for solutions to end homelessness. one such

hhuephhhs— homelessness. one such blueprints will be formed in hamhehh— blueprints will be formed in lambeth, bringing together local shahhhes— lambeth, bringing together local charities, experts— lambeth, bringing together local charities, experts and advocates to charities, experts and advocates he seahe— charities, experts and advocates he seahe a— charities, experts and advocates to create a tailor— charities, experts and advocates to create a tailor made solution to create a tailor made solution he suppeh— to create a tailor made solution he suppeh hhese— to create a tailor made solution to support those needing a home. his to support those needing a home. hhs heyah— to support those needing a home. his royal highness— to support those needing a home. his royal highness visited wesahs— his royal highness visited mosaic clubhouse, which treats mehhah— mosaic clubhouse, which treats mental health— mosaic clubhouse, which treats mental health patients as members, focusing on their shehphhs— members, focusing on their strengths rather than their weaknesses. _ strengths rather than their weaknesses. the prince wanted to spehhhphh— weaknesses. the prince wanted to spehhhphh hhe — weaknesses. the prince wanted to spotlight the link _ weaknesses. the prince wanted to spotlight the link between poor mehhah— spotlight the link between poor mental health _ spotlight the link between poor mental health and homelessness . mental health and homelessness. it mental health and homelessness. hh deem-h— mental health and homelessness. hh deem-h hahe— mental health and homelessness. it doesn't take much— mental health and homelessness. it doesn't take much for— it doesn't take much for a trauma around mental health to lead to other catastrophes in life , which can lead to life, which can lead to homelessness. if you have a relationship breakdown and that can be followed by a loss of a job, you can very quickly find yourself without a home as well. 43 year old paul experienced homelessness— 43 year old paul experienced homelessness when he was yeuhpeu— homelessness when he was yeuhpep peer— homelessness when he was younger, poor mental health meahh— younger, poor mental health meahh he— younger, poor mental health meant he ended— younger, poor mental health meant he ended up in hospital . meant he ended up in hospital. all meant he ended up in hospital. hhh he— meant he ended up in hospital. all he thinks— meant he ended up in hospital. all he thinks ending up homeless mashe— all he thinks ending up homeless maee hhs— all he thinks ending up homeless made his mental— all he thinks ending up homeless made his mental health worse . made his mental health worse. when— made his mental health worse. when .— made his mental health worse. when h was— made his mental health worse. when i was younger— made his mental health worse. when i was younger and- made his mental health worse. when i was younger and stages where i was homeless and that sort of thing, everything just gets so , so overwhelming and

gets so, so overwhelming and everything that you just can't function properly and everything. and so when the services like this , even if you services like this, even if you are in a position of still being homeless , a lot of weight is homeless, a lot of weight is lifted. prince williams conceded ehehhp— lifted. prince williams conceded ending homelessness— e "chin: prince williams conceded ending homelessness is e h: prince williams conceded ending homelessness is a e i: prince williams conceded ending homelessness is a big shahhehpe— ending homelessness is a big challenge for— ending homelessness is a big challenge for an— ending homelessness is a big challenge for an estimated soeeeo — challenge for an estimated 300,000 people are either sheephhp— 300,000 people are either sleeping rough— 300,000 people are either sleeping rough sofa surfing or shush— sleeping rough sofa surfing or shush hh— sleeping rough sofa surfing or stuck in temporary accommodation and shhhss— stuck in temporary accommodation and shhhss eh— stuck in temporary accommodation and critics of the— stuck in temporary accommodation and critics of the monarchy pehh— and critics of the monarchy pehhh euh— and critics of the monarchy point out the— and critics of the monarchy point out the future king's enormous wealth and privilege . enormous wealth and privilege. hhese— enormous wealth and privilege. hhese shese— enormous wealth and privilege. those close to— enormous wealth and privilege. those close to the— enormous wealth and privilege. those close to the prince of wahes— those close to the prince of wales insist— those close to the prince of wales insist that- those close to the prince of wales insist that he's aware of hew— wales insist that he's aware of how fortunate— wales insist that he's aware of how fortunate he _ wales insist that he's aware of how fortunate he is , which is how fortunate he is, which is why— how fortunate he is, which is why he-s— how fortunate he is, which is why he-s ushe— how fortunate he is, which is why he's using his public phahheam — why he's using his public phahheam he— why he's using his public platform to promote lasting shahee— platform to promote lasting shahpe he— platform to promote lasting change to help— platform to promote lasting change to help end homelessness. hush— change to help end homelessness. wush hehheu— change to help end homelessness. much better, some— change to help end homelessness. much better, some believe, than ehheas— much better, some believe, than ehheas. — much better, some believe, than ehheas. h— much better, some believe, than ehheas. h a— much better, some believe, than others . if a politician- much better, some believe, than others . �*7 e hi. hi" others. if a politician says something , it's like in one ear something, it's like in one ear and out the other sort of thing. but if someone like your future king is saying something, i think people say that a lot more heart and serious. the think people say that a lot more heart and serious . the prince of heart and serious. the prince of wahes— heart and serious. the prince of wahes ahse— heart and serious. the prince of wales also visited— i: the prince of wales also visited bournemouth yesheahay— wales also visited bournemouth yesterday, highlighting how empowering— yesterday, highlighting how empowering people with skills can

empowering people with skills hehp— empowering people with skills hehp hhem— empowering people with skills can help them get a job. and wewpeh— can help them get a job. and wewpeah .— can help them get a job. and newport , where— can help them get a job. and newport , where he saw an example newport, where he saw an example of newport, where he saw an example eh a— newport, where he saw an example eh a semmumhy— newport, where he saw an example of a community delivering long heam — of a community delivering long heam sehhhee— of a community delivering long term settled housing. today his heyah— term settled housing. today his heyah hhphhess— term settled housing. today his royal highness continues his heur— royal highness continues his heua eh— royal highness continues his heua eh hhe— royal highness continues his tour of the uk— royal highness continues his tour of the uk visiting three more locations— tour of the uk visiting three more locations committed to hashhhhp— more locations committed to tackling homelessness in their area. cameron— tackling homelessness in their area. cameron walker gb news, heheeh — area. cameron walker gb news, heheeh hew— area. cameron walker gb news, london. now, as— area. cameron walker gb news, london. with : area. cameron walker gb news, london. wtith london. now, as anybody knows, the housing crisis at the moment is causing all sorts of problems and looks continued set to worsen. rates of home ownership are plummeting, especially amongst the younger generation , amongst the younger generation, and rents are rising fast . and rents are rising fast. europe's biggest housing heshwah— europe's biggest housing festival is— europe's biggest housing festival is taking place today in manchester.— festival is taking place today in manchester. they'll certainly have— in manchester. they'll certainly have phehhy— in manchester. they'll certainly have phehhy he— in manchester. they'll certainly have plenty to discuss . among have plenty to discuss. among hhese— have plenty to discuss. among those attending— have plenty to discuss. among those attending is the manchester- those attending is the manchester mayor, andy burnham, and manchester mayor, andy burnham, melt-ehs— manchester mayor, andy burnham, aheliehhs us— manchester mayor, andy burnham, aheliehhs us hew— manchester mayor, andy burnham, and joins us now. good and he joins us now. good mehha— and he joins us now. good morning, andy. c: g morning, andy. good morning, andrew. morning, bev. morning. very good to andrew. morning, bev. morning. very steep he hahh— andrew. morning, bev. morning. very good to talk to— andrew. morning, bev. morning. very good to talk to you. - : g morning. very good to talk to you. now, whah— very good to talk to you. now, whah-yeu— very good to talk to you. now, whah-yeu hehp— very good to talk to you. now, what you doing about the what are you doing about the heushhp— what are you doing about the housing crisis— what are you doing about the housing crisis in— what are you doing about the housing crisis in your part of hhe— housing crisis in your part of hhe wehee — housing crisis in your part of the world? -d0ing- housing crisis in your part of the world? :i g housing crisis in your part of. the world? -d0ing a huge the world? we're doing a huge amount, andrew we'll amount, actually. andrew we'll be out today for be laying out a plan today for what we are going to do to raise housing standards. so we are

introducing a greater manchester good charter for the good landlord charter for the first time. we need an actual kind of way of holding landlords to account. we are proposing a new system of property checks so that residents can say, look, my home is isn't fit for habitation. this landlord's not treating me properly. we will then get a team to go in and check that, check that out, and if necessary, take take enforcement action. all the way to taking taking ownership of the home. we've got a plan to build 30,000 truly affordable net zero homes in our in our city region, homes for social rent and these are all the actions that we're putting forward. but my big message, andrew, will be west minster has to up to the full scale of to wake up to the full scale of the housing crisis. it's only scratching the surface at the moment. it forward moment. when it puts forward policies, about policies, it tends to be about home ownership and that kind of thing around first time buyers, important as those things are, they not solve the housing they do not solve the housing crisis. the time has come to crisis. so the time has come to wake up. we've got to raise

standards in existing homes and build truly affordable new ones. what do you make of the pewemmehh— what do you make of the government dropping target government dropping that target at government dropping that target ah-sempuhsehy— government dropping that target at compulsory target of at the compulsory target of soeeeo — at the compulsory target of 300,000 -which - at the compulsory target of. 300,000 -which . now at the compulsory target of- 300,000 -which i now now 300,000 homes, which is now now an aswhsehy— 300,000 homes, which is now now an advisory target— 300,000 homes, which is now now an advisory target ?_ 300,000 homes, which is now now an advisory target ? it well, an advisory target? it well, i hen-h— an advisory target? it well, i eeh-h hhhhh— an advisory target? it well, i don't think it— an advisory target? it well, i don't think it gets us to where we need— don't think it gets us to where we need he— don't think it gets us to where we need he 90— don't think it gets us to where we need he as . — don't think it gets us to where we need to go . �*tt�*hi :i don't think it gets us to where we need to go . we need to go. we do have to build more homes. but to be honest, i would meet some of the campaigners halfway in saying don't just do that. all on green belt. actually, what you need to do clean up brownfield do is clean up brownfield in some of our in some of our parts of the north or parts of the midlands and then build homes for social rent on those places that actually is a proper solution to the to the housing crisis. but i would say the government can't get there just by kind of hoping that that people do right thing. people will do the right thing. the has to set a the government has to set a clear lead. and i don't think, you know, politicians can be so cowardly as to they'll never cowardly as to say they'll never take a difficult argument take on a difficult argument about building building about building about building homes. these things have the nettle be grasped if nettle has to be grasped if we're a&e on a on a on like the wider social change that we're

deaung wider social change that we're dealing with at the moment. do you think our generation you think our kids generation whhh— you think our kids generation whhh asphe— you think our kids generation will aspire to— you think our kids generation will aspire to be— you think our kids generation will aspire to be home owners or are we inevitably— will aspire to be home owners or are we inevitably moving towards are we inevitably moving towards a tehhah— are we inevitably moving towards a rental society— are we inevitably moving towards a rental society ? _ are we inevitably moving towards a rental society ? it— are we inevitably moving towards a rental society ? e e a rental society? it feels like that's where it's heading because obviously this generation, they don't expect to own a car . and generation, they don't expect to own a car. and i think many of them will say, well, they don't necessarily expect to own a home, certainly not until their 40s at the earliest. and if that's the reality, you've got to get more serious about holding landlords to account. you know , there are good you know, there are good landlords out there and we believe our good landlord charter recognition charter will give recognition to those there are those people. but there are a lot of bad ones too. and they get away with a hell of a lot. and really need to legislate and we really need to legislate to protect people who rent. and to protect people who rent. and to be fair to michael gove, he has bill that i think he wants has a bill that i think he wants to bring forward to do that. but we've got to get that right because the reality for a lot of young britain is, young people in britain is, as you've said, they'll you've just said, they'll be renting through and renting through their 20s and 30s and maybe into their 40s. but you okay, andy,

but are you are you okay, andy, with vision of the future with that vision of the future where people don't aspire to buy a house because that is a massive change. we were traditionally— massive change. we were traditionally this- q we were traditionally this country was aheuh— traditionally this country was aheuh sawho— traditionally this country was about saving and getting on the property— about saving and getting on the ptepethy haeeet— about saving and getting on the property ladder and that's sesuhhy— property ladder and that's sesuhhy . — property ladder and that's security . so— property ladder and that's security . i”hi property ladder and that's security . . gn security. so are you all right with the vision in which everybody is a renter? because i think everybody is a renter? because i hhhhh hhah— everybody is a renter? because i think that leaves— everybody is a renter? because i think that leaves the _ everybody is a renter? because i think that leaves the next- think that leaves the next pehetahheh— think that leaves the next generation very vulnerable . no generation very vulnerable. no i'm generation very vulnerable. no h-m heh. — generation very vulnerable. no h-m heh. hh— generation very vulnerable. no i'm not. all right— generation very vulnerable. no i'm not. gn e i'm not. all right with it, bev. i'm not. all right with it, bev. i want to see more people able to own their own home. that's absolutely , as you say, a absolutely, as you say, a tradition that we've all we've all grown up in. but my kind of critique is you can't have policies that that are only about home ownership. we do have to do more to protect renters . to do more to protect renters. we do have to do more to build more homes for social rent or council council homes. you need all of these things in play if you're going to solve the housing crisis . and as far as housing crisis. and as far as i can see, you know, we've talked about the housing for about the housing crisis for years. was in years. when i was in westminster, always westminster, people always going on i've never on about it. i've never seen a plan come forward actually to tackle it. we're going to put

forward greater manchester forward a greater manchester plan that at the plan to do precisely that at the housing conference here today. and i just hope westminster will back us in bringing it forward. andy, i've seen you on the heehhahh— andy, i've seen you on the football pitch. _ andy, i've seen you on the football pitch. as you know, hh-s— football pitch. as you know, hh-s heh— football pitch. as you know, hh-s heh my— football pitch. as you know, it's not my favourite sport heehhahh. — it's not my favourite sport football. - know- it's not my favourite sport football. know what it's not my favourite sport- football. -know what you football. i don't know what you hhe— football. i don't know what you hhe eh— football. i don't know what you like on cricket,— football. i don't know what you like on cricket, but— football. i don't know what you like on cricket, but there's a big— like on cricket, but there's a big tepeth— like on cricket, but there's a big tepeth heeay— like on cricket, but there's a big report today which i'm sure yeue— big report today which i'm sure yeue-eh— big report today which i'm sure you're-of about-for. you're aware of about the for eeuhhy— you're aware of about the for equity-cricket,— you're aware of about the for equity cricket, which equity in cricket, which effectively _ equity in cricket, which effectively says english cricket effectively says engliin cricket is effectively says english cricket hs—ahe— effectively says english cricket is_and racist- effectively says english cricket is_and racist andi is misogynistic and racist and the is misogynistic and racist and hhe mphhsh— is misogynistic and racist and the english cricket ladies shsheh— the english cricket ladies cricket team _ the english cricket ladies cricket team ,_ the english cricket ladies cricket team , for instance, has cricket team, for instance, has phayee— cricket team, for instance, has phayee ah— cricket team, for instance, has never played at lord's while then— never played at lord's while then ahe— never played at lord's while eton and harrow— never played at lord's while eton and harrow play there every yea— eton and harrow play there every yea .— eton and harrow play there every yea . — eton and harrow play there every yea. h— eton and harrow play there every yea. h wah— eton and harrow play there every year . i wasn't actually- eton and harrow play there every year . e year. i wasn't actually a bad cricketer. andrew to be honest. i was a better cricketer than i was a footballer. i played for lancashire schoolboys once or twice in my day and i turned out at old trafford once or twice as well. so i loved my cricket. actually and i've always had a feeling that the game needs to get back into state schools, and i think that's one of the big things that's coming out of this

this report today. it really needs to do that. but in playing cricket, in my youth , i cricket, in my youth, i definitely encountered some of those , some of attitudes. those, some of those attitudes. i remember my dad going to lancashire county cricket club to vote to let women be allowed in the in the pavilion. we used to have to sit with my mum in the women's pavilion when we used to go and watch in in used to go and watch in the in the and in the end the old days and in the end after a few times of trying that vote actually carried. vote actually was carried. and to be fair, the club that i love up here, lancashire county cricket has made massive cricket club, has made massive changes. actually club is changes. actually the club is unrecognisable what was unrecognisable from what it was when was growing when i was when i was growing up. i think there are signs up. so i think there are signs of progress, the sport of progress, but the sport definitely has to take this seriously. maybe at seriously. i think maybe more at club andrew you get club cricket. andrew you get some some these some of these some of these attitudes and, know, i just attitudes and, you know, i just think any sport can't get a report like this and not be kind of kind of shaken to its core, really. it's got to do something. you know, cricket does have some of this this discrimination in echoing around the sport and this is a moment absolutely to face up to it and

root it out. okay all right, hhey,— root it out. okay all right, hhey, hhey— all right, andy, andy burnham, e all right, andy, andy burnham, thanks for iehhhe— andy, andy burnham, thanks for joining — andy, andy burnham, thanks for joining hhey,— andy, andy burnham, thanks for joining us. andy, look after my hemehewh. — joining us. andy, look after my hometown. look— joining us. andy, look after my hometown. look after my hemehewh. — hometown. look after my hometown. looks like it's in hometown. it looks like it's in hew— hometown. it looks like it's in very sahe— hometown. it looks like it's in very safe hands.— hometown. it looks like it's in very safe hands. and enjoy your heushhp— very safe hands. and enjoy your housing festival— very safe hands. and enjoy your housing festival good shape. housing festival in good shape. it's housing festival in good shape. up m— housing festival in good shape. up m good— housing festival in good shape. it's in good shape.— housing festival in good shape. it's in good shape-doing. it's in good shape. we're doing a things. good to a lot of good things. good to talk andy. a lot of good things. good to talk-andy. andy- a lot of good things. good to- talk -andy. andy burnham, talk to you, andy. andy burnham, whe— talk to you, andy. andy burnham, whelmy— talk to you, andy. andy burnham, whelmy wew— talk to you, andy. andy burnham, whelmy h— talk to you, andy. andy burnham, who-my view, if he— talk to you, andy. andy burnham, who my view, if he was labour who in my view, if he was labour header,— who in my view, if he was labour heaeeu hhey— who in my view, if he was labour leader, they would— who in my view, if he was labour leader, they would be 40 points ahead. — leader, they would be 40 points ahead. hh— leader, they would be 40 points ahead. it will— leader, they would be 40 points ahead. it will be— leader, they would be 40 points ahead. it will be it— leader, they would be 40 points ahead. e a: e a: ahead. it will be it will be labour leader one day soon, i am sure. now, to come, we're sure. now, still to come, we're going— sure. now, still to come, we're goinglbe_ sure. now, still to come, we're pehhplhe-he— sure. now, still to come, we're pehhplhe-he hhe- ”c: now, still to come, we're going be to the covid going to be live to the covid hheuhy— going to be live to the covid inquiry-former— going to be live to the covid inquiry former health inquiry as former health sestehahy— inquiry as former health secretary expected secretary is expected to be phhhee— secretary is expected to be grilled pandemic grilled over pandemic preparedness. is grilled over pandemic- preparedness.-is britain's preparedness. this is britain's newsroom on gb— preparedness. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. the heephe-s—

good morning . it's tuesday, june good morning. it's tuesday, june the 27th. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, andrew pierce and bev turner. thank you for joining andrew pierce and bev turner. thank you forjoining us thank you for joining us this memhhe. — thank you for joining us this memhhp. wew— thank you for joining us this morning. now former health sestehahy— morning. now former health secretary matt— morning. now former health secretary matt hancock is about to secretary matt hancock is about he he— secretary matt hancock is about he he wehh— secretary matt hancock is about to be well questioned . aid at to be well questioned. aid at hhe— to be well questioned. aid at hhe sewe— to be well questioned. aid at hhe sewhe he— to be well questioned. aid at the covid 19 inquiry as they sehhhhue— the covid 19 inquiry as they sehhhhue he— the covid 19 inquiry as they continue to examine the uk's paheemhs— continue to examine the uk's pandemic preparedness. ': i pandemic preparedness. and in mehha— pandemic preparedness. and in another televised _ pandemic preparedness. and in another televised address , or another televised address, or you could even say rant putin has vowed to track down the wagner mutineers as he tries to reassert his crumbling authority . and each migrant reported to rwanda will cost you, the taxpayer almost £170,000. home secretary suella ft“ "0 000 home secretary suella braverman grues— secretary suella braverman ague hhah— secretary suella braverman argues that doing nothing is not an ephheh.— argues that doing nothing is not an option. she's— argues that doing nothing is not an option. she's right, isn't shee— an option. she's right, isn't he huh— an option. she's right, isn't he huh hs— an option. she's right, isn't she? but is £170- an option. she's right, isn't she? but is £170 a head worth it

7 she? but is £170 a head worth it ? i she? but is £170 a head worth it e h hhhhh— she? but is £170 a head worth it e h hhhhh hh— she? but is £170 a head worth it ehhhhhh hh hs— she? but is £170 a head worth it .7 i think it is. _ she? but is £170 a head worth it .7 i think it is. and— she? but is £170 a head worth it .7 i think it is. and a- she? but is £170 a head worth it ? i think it is. ': ”hiihhihn ? i think it is. and a report on cricket's attitude to ethnic minorities and women. the reports authors express shock that eton and harrow play at lords every year, but the england women team have never played a test match at the spiritual home of english cricket . cricket. and libra, bellyaching, of course, about proposed cost £169,000 per migrant. it would be cheaper , i suspect, in the be cheaper, i suspect, in the long run. they've got to do it, haven't they? they've got to do semehhhhg— haven't they? they've got to do something again— haven't they? they've got to do something again .— haven't they? they've got to do something again . it— i e g�*hiy7’ they've got to do something again . it begs the something again. it begs the gueshheh— something again. it begs the gueshheh, hy— something again. it begs the gueshheh, hry he— something again. it begs the question, try to stop people gehhhhg— question, try to stop people gehhhhg-heahs- question, try to stop people getting-boats in- question, try to stop people getting boats in the getting on the boats in the hrsh— getting on the boats in the hrsh phase. — getting on the boats in the first place. so— getting on the boats in the first place. so they're not hahehhg— first place. so they're not landing here.— first place. so they're not landing here. and then we think gehhg— landing here. and then we think gehhg he— landing here. and then we think gehhg he geh— landing here. and then we think we're going to get the verdict of we're going to get the verdict eh—seurh- we're going to get the verdict eh—seurh eh- we're going to get the verdict. of_court on thursday of the appeal court on thursday as—hs- as to whether the policy is hegah — as to whether the policy is hegah. hhe— as to whether the policy is legal. and in— as to whether the policy is legal. and in my- as to whether the policy is legal. : i as to whether the policy is- legal. and in my view, then we should just get on with it. there's a lot going on this merhhhg. — there's a lot going on this. morning. -anywhere. there's a lot going on this- morning. -anywhere. will morning. don't go anywhere. will you morning. don't go anywhere. will yeu-hhew— morning. don't go anywhere. will yeu-hhew yeur— morning. don't go anywhere. will you know your thoughts? you let us know your thoughts? vaiews@gbnews.com live vaiews@gbnews.com that live cowh— vaiews@gbnews.com that live. c0vm_ hancock covid inquiry with matt hancock in covid inquiry with matt hancock hh—huh- covid inquiry with matt hancock hh—huh hrsh- covid inquiry with matt hancock in_but first of. in just a moment. but first of alb— in just a moment. but first of at, here— in just a moment. but first of at, here hs— in just a moment. but first of all, here is your—

in just a moment. but first of all, here is your with all, here is your news with ramsh— all, here is your news with tamsin roberts— all, here is your news with tamsin roberts . tamsin roberts. beth. thanks very much and good morning from the gb newsroom at 10:04, matt hancock has arrived to give evidence to the covid 19 inquiry as hearings continue into the government's preparation for the pandemic . the former health pandemic. the former health secretary was one of the politicians who steered the coronavirus response before being forced to quit in june 2021. his appearance comes after the chancellor, another former health secretary, said a narrowness of thinking failed to expand pandemic preparedness beyond planning for a flu outbreak . food inflation has outbreak. food inflation has eased for a second month as supermarkets cut the price of household staples , according to household staples, according to figures. shot price inflation overall slowed to 8.4% in june, down from 9% in may. fresh food inflation decelerated for a second consecutive month to 14.6% in june. a relatively significant drop from may's

15.4. the british retail consortium says if the current situation continues, it should drop to single digits later this year. drop to single digits later this year . labour drop to single digits later this year. labour will drop to single digits later this year . labour will force drop to single digits later this year. labour will force a drop to single digits later this year . labour will force a vote year. labour will force a vote in the house of commons on their proposals to ease the mortgage crisis. it comes after last week's bank of england interest rate hike. labour's plan includes forcing banks to help struggling mortgage holders by allowing them to temporarily switch to interest only payments or lengthen their mortgage penod. or lengthen their mortgage period . new measures have been period. new measures have been announced to tackle the non consensual sharing of intimate images online. amend payments to the online safety bill will remove the need to prove intent to cause distress , making it to cause distress, making it easier to charge and convict offenders. those found guilty could face up to six months in jail and if the intent to distress is proven , a maximum of distress is proven, a maximum of two years in custody , justice two years in custody, justice secretary alex chalk says he wants to bring more protection

to women and girls. we are overhauling the law so that there is nowhere to hide for cowards and bitter ex—partners who cause enormous damage by sharing intimate images without consent. so there already was an ehehse— consent. so there already was an ehehse hem — consent. so there already was an offence from as— consent. so there already was an offence from as long— i so there already was an offence from as long ago as see,— offence from as long ago as see, ahe— offence from as long ago as see, and h— offence from as long ago as 2015, and in fact— offence from as long ago as 2015, and in fact we led many ehher— 2015, and in fact we led many other countries— 2015, and in fact we led many other countries in— 2015, and in fact we led many other countries in doing so. but we now want to— other countries in doing so. but we now want to go— other countries in doing so. but we now want to go that step hurhher— we now want to go that step hurhher se— we now want to go that step further so there— we now want to go that step further so there is nowhere to hee.— further so there is nowhere to hide. whatever— further so there is nowhere to hide. whatever the motivation wash— hide. whatever the motivation was, whatever— hide. whatever the motivation was, whatever they were hhenhhg— was, whatever they were intending, whatever excuse they hrhee—whhh— intending, whatever excuse they hrhee—whhh-heyl tried to come up with, the key rssue— tried to come up with, the key hssuelhew— tried to come up with, the key issue-how has— tried to come up with, the key issue-how has it— tried to come up with, the key issue how has it affected issue is how has it affected hhah—hhe- that individual? did they sehsehh— that individual? did they consent to— that individual? did they consent to it?- that individual? did they consent to it? no that individual? did they- consent to it? no the government has been urged to rule out detaining or forcibly removing children to rwanda , whose children to rwanda, whose families are seeking asylum in the uk. the women and equalities committee says the risks of harm to asylum seeking children outweigh any risk of damaging the government's aim of deterrence through its illegal migration bill. the home office says that ministers could spend £169,000 on each person forcibly removed. the committee's chair. caroline nokes says the

detention centre is no place for children. the committee was very concerned that whilst the government has put a stay on the removal of unaccompanied asylum seeking children to rwanda , seeking children to rwanda, there is no such position in place for children with their families . so place for children with their families. so very young children whe— families. so very young children whe we— families. so very young children whe we have— families. so very young children who we have seen— c so very young children who we have seen images of them semhhg— who we have seen images of them semhhg er— who we have seen images of them coming over making— who we have seen images of them coming over making terrible, herrhhhe— coming over making terrible, terrible crossings on boats seuhe— terrible crossings on boats seuhe he— terrible crossings on boats seuhe he puh— terrible crossings on boats could be put in- terrible crossings on boats could be put in detention centres. now,— could be put in detention centres. now, if effectively a eehehhheh— centres. now, if effectively a detention camp _ centres. now, if effectively a detention camp is no place for a ship— detention camp is no place for a shirt .— detention camp is no place for a shirt , a— detention camp is no place for a shirt , a heh— detention camp is no place for a child , a jet linked— detention camp is no place for a child , a jet linked to wagner child, a jet linked to wagner ereup— child, a jet linked to wagner group founder— child, a jet linked to wagner group founder yevgeny prigozhin has arrwee— group founder yevgeny prigozhin has arrived in— group founder yevgeny prigozhin has arrived in belarus from hussha. — has arrived in belarus from russia. belarus- has arrived in belarus from russia. : has arrived in belarus from - russia. belarus leader alexander lukashenko has offered the leader relocation to the country in a deal to end the rebellion launched on saturday. this morning, russia conducted fighter jet drills over the baltic sea. this comes after president putin paid tribute to the russian pilots who were killed fighting the wagner group dunng killed fighting the wagner group during this weekend's mutiny. ukraine politician kira rudik says the weekend's mayhem is

beneficial to the ukrainian forces. every beneficial to the ukrainian forces . every district that forces. every district that husshahs— forces. every district that russians have— iittihi every district that russians have out ”tithihi every district that russians have out of the front is russians have out of the front hs a— russians have out of the front hs a geee— russians have out of the front is a good chance— russians have out of the front is a good chance for us to push herware— is a good chance for us to push herware eh— is a good chance for us to push herware at a— is a good chance for us to push forward on a counter—offensive . forward on a counter—offensive. hhe— forward on a counter—offensive. hhe eh— forward on a counter—offensive. hhe eh seurse— forward on a counter—offensive. and of course, the— forward on a counter—offensive. and of course, the disturbance hzahheh— and of course, the disturbance hzahheh eh— and of course, the disturbance ization of the— and of course, the disturbance ization of the situation in hussha— ization of the situation in hussha hs— ization of the situation in russia is something that would ahhew— russia is something that would ahhew us— russia is something that would ahhew us he— russia is something that would allow us to move— russia is something that would allow us to move forward . �*tt�*hicc allow us to move forward. well, meanwhhhe— allow us to move forward. well, meanwhhe .— allow us to move forward. well, meanwhile , the— allow us to move forward. well, meanwhile , the ministry of meanwhile, the ministry of defence reports that ukrainian forces have made advances near donetsk city. the mod says it's highly likely they have recaptured an area of territory occupied by russia since 2014. in racism, sexism and elitism are widespread in english and welsh cricket, according to a report. the icc collected evidence from more than 4000 people and found that racism remains entrenched in the sport and that women routinely encounter sexism and misogyny . encounter sexism and misogyny. the icc has made 44

recommendations for the england and wales cricket board. the chair of the ecb, richard thompson , has apologised and has thompson, has apologised and has called for a reset in the game. this is gb news. more from me shortly. now though, it's back to andrew and ruth . to andrew and ruth. let's turn to the to andrew and ruth.- - let's turn to the covm to andrew and ruth.— - let's turn to the covid inquiry now where - health _ now where former health sesrehary— now where former health secretary being secretary matt hancock is being gueshhehee— secretary matt hancock is being gueshhehee. — secretary matt hancock is being questioned . clear— questioned. clear my responsibility as as the tier one national responder for a pandemic flu and for other infectious diseases. i was already aware of this element of the role from my time at the cabinet office but nevertheless it was properly and formally brought to my attention and on day one, i asked for more information on preparedness

because i, having been involved in previous crises, for instance , at the bank of england in before i went into politics, i knew that when things go wrong , knew that when things go wrong, things move quickly and you need to be as well prepared as you can at the highest level of the department. was there a board hhewh— department. was there a board knew as— department. was there a board knew as hhe— : was there a board known as the departmental board, whhsh— known as the departmental board, whhsh heehee— known as the departmental board, which looked at— known as the departmental board, which looked at the— known as the departmental board, which looked at the highest heweh— which looked at the highest heweh eh— which looked at the highest level on the— which looked at the highest level on the major risks confronting _ level on the major risks confronting the department? yes and confronting the department? yes hhu hhe— confronting the department? yes hhe hhe rehe— confronting the department? yes and the role of— confronting the department? yes and the role of the— confronting the department? yes and the role of the departmental board was to ensure that the department was is structuring itself properly to deal with the different challenges that it faced. may we have please , is faced. may we have please, is zswrz— faced. may we have please, is was whhsh— faced. may we have please, is 23142, which is— faced. may we have please, is 23142, which is a— t: may we have please, is 23142, which is a copy of your eeparhmehh-s— 23142, which is a copy of your department's then high level rhsh— department's then high level rhsh reghsher— department's then high level risk register .— department's then high level risk register. for— department's then high level risk register. for quarter. hhree— risk register. for quarter. three, 2019— risk register. for quarter. three, 2019 to-

risk register. for quarter. three, 2019 to 20. if you can go to three, 2019 to 20. if you can go he hhe— three, 2019 to 20. if you can go he hhe hep— three, 2019 to 20. if you can go he hhe hep eh— three, 2019 to 20. if you can go to the top of the— three, 2019 to 20. if you can go to the top of the page . we will to the top of the page. we will hhah— to the top of the page. we will hhah hhe — to the top of the page. we will see that the years— to the top of the page. we will see that the years 2019 20. euarher— see that the years 2019 20. quarter three _ see that the years 2019 20. quarter three high level risk reghsher— quarter three high level risk reghsher ahe— quarter three high level risk register and if— quarter three high level risk register and if you go to the far heh— register and if you go to the far left hand— register and if you go to the far left hand side of the page, here— far left hand side of the page, hhere whhh— far left hand side of the page, there will be— far left hand side of the page, there will be a— far left hand side of the page, there will be a number of row humersh— there will be a number of row numbers , as if— there will be a number of row numbers , as if you could scroll numbers, as if you could scroll eewh— numbers, as if you could scroll eewh phase,— numbers, as if you could scroll down, please, to— numbers, as if you could scroll down, please, to row . 11 . down, please, to row. 11. here— down, please, to row. 11. hhere are— down, please, to row. 11. there are two- down, please, to row. 11. there are two names in the left in there are two names in the left hh hhe— there are two names in the left in the column,— there are two names in the left in the column, second from the heh,— in the column, second from the heh, wr— in the column, second from the left, mr hancock— in the column, second from the left, mr hancock ,_ in the column, second from the left, mr hancock , emma reed and left, mr hancock, emma reed and chara— left, mr hancock, emma reed and shara swhhseh— left, mr hancock, emma reed and shara swhhseh .— left, mr hancock, emma reed and clara swinson , both— left, mr hancock, emma reed and clara swinson , both of whom have clara swinson, both of whom have been— clara swinson, both of whom have been witnesses— clara swinson, both of whom have been witnesses before this hhguhry— been witnesses before this hhguhy .— been witnesses before this hhguhy . hhe— been witnesses before this inquiry . the description major inquiry. the description major hahhehah— inquiry. the description major national infectious disease euhhreah— national infectious disease outbreak in— national infectious disease outbreak in pandemic flu and the risk identified— outbreak in pandemic flu and the risk identified for— outbreak in pandemic flu and the risk identified for self—evident reasons is that— risk identified for self—evident reasons is that the department

hahs— reasons is that the department his he— reasons is that the department fails to respond— reasons is that the department fails to respond and mobilise aeeguahe— fails to respond and mobilise aeeguahe he— fails to respond and mobilise aeeguahe he a— fails to respond and mobilise adequate to a major national heweh — adequate to a major national level. infectious— adequate to a major national level. infectious disease hazard , sush— level. infectious disease hazard , sush as— level. infectious disease hazard , such as pandemic flu or other heweh— , such as pandemic flu or other novel infection— , such as pandemic flu or other novel infection .— , such as pandemic flu or other novel infection . and the novel infection. and the appreash— novel infection. and the approach taken , the response on approach taken, the response on the approach taken, the response on hhe parh— approach taken, the response on hhe parh eh— approach taken, the response on hhe parh eh hhe— approach taken, the response on the part of the department . it the part of the department. it is the part of the department. it hs h— the part of the department. it hs hh hhe— the part of the department. it is in the next— the part of the department. it is in the next column to manage the is in the next column to manage hhe rhsh— is in the next column to manage hhe rhsh ahe— is in the next column to manage the risk and likely— is in the next column to manage the risk and likely domestic hmpash— the risk and likely domestic hmpash eh— the risk and likely domestic hmpash eh a— the risk and likely domestic impact of a major pandemic flu or impact of a major pandemic flu er emerghhg— impact of a major pandemic flu or emerging infectious disease euhhreah— or emerging infectious disease euhhreah .— or emerging infectious disease euhhreah . se— or emerging infectious disease outbreak . so the— or emerging infectious disease outbreak . so the risk was outbreak. so the risk was identified— outbreak. so the risk was identified in— outbreak. so the risk was identified in terms not just of the identified in terms not just of hhe paheemhs— identified in terms not just of the pandemic being a influenza paheemhs— the pandemic being a influenza paheemhs .— the pandemic being a influenza paheemhs , huh— the pandemic being a influenza pandemic , but obviously the risk pandemic, but obviously the risk of pandemic, but obviously the risk eh ah— pandemic, but obviously the risk of an infectious— pandemic, but obviously the risk of an infectious disease euhhreah— of an infectious disease outbreak in— of an infectious disease outbreak in emerging infectious ehsease— outbreak in emerging infectious disease outbreak. _ outbreak in emerging infectious disease outbreak. yes does it presese hh— disease outbreak. yes does it presence in that— disease outbreak. yes does it presence in that chart, in that sshehuhe— presence in that chart, in that ssheeuhe, wr— presence in that chart, in that schedule, mr hancock , indicate schedule, mr hancock, indicate the seriousness— schedule, mr hancock, indicate the seriousness with which the peparhmehh— the seriousness with which the department took— the seriousness with which the department took the risk of a major— department took the risk of a major infectious— department took the risk of a major infectious disease euhhreah— major infectious disease euhhreah er— major infectious disease outbreak or and or pandemic flu ? outbreak or and or pandemic flu e hes.— outbreak or and or pandemic flu e was hhe— outbreak or and or pandemic flu ? yes. and the— outbreak or and or pandemic flu ? yes. and the red— outbreak or and or pandemic flu ? yes. and the red rating- ? yes. and the red rating demonstrates that the significance of the impact of

this, should it strike, could be very , very serious. this, should it strike, could be very , very serious . and the day very, very serious. and the day to day life of a health secretary involves us being aware of and from time to time being involved in managing the response to potential infectious disease risks, which can happen from time to time . and i set out from time to time. and i set out in my statement that over the autumn of 2019, there was a potential flu outbreak. there was a what's now known as m—pox outbreak, then known as monkeypox . and over this period, monkeypox. and over this period, we were also dealing with the ebola epidemic in west and central africa . and the central africa. and the particular responsibility of the health department was to ensure that we were prepared should ebola come to the to the uk . so ebola come to the to the uk. so this was a this was not a theoretic exercise. it was part of the day to day job of being

health secretary it is apparent hem— health secretary it is apparent hem hhe— health secretary it is apparent from the document— tg it is apparent from the document that in rehahheh— from the document that in rehahheh he— from the document that in relation to each risk, i identified _ relation to each risk, i identified on- relation to each risk, i identified on the left of the ssheeuhe — identified on the left of the ssheeuhe .— identified on the left of the schedule , a— identified on the left of the schedule , a number of what's schedule, a number of what's hhewh— schedule, a number of what's knew as— schedule, a number of what's known as mitigations are put in phase— known as mitigations are put in phase hh— known as mitigations are put in phase hh ereer— known as mitigations are put in place in order to— known as mitigations are put in place in order to manage the ush— place in order to manage the rhsh. h— place in order to manage the risk. in other— place in order to manage the risk. in other words, the peparhmehh— risk. in other words, the department sets out in columns k, department sets out in columns kw b— department sets out in columns kw b me— department sets out in columns h h m, ahe— department sets out in columns h h m, and h— department sets out in columns h h m, and h h— department sets out in columns k, l, m, and n in respect of eash— k, l, m, and n in respect of eash rhsh— k, l, m, and n in respect of eash rhsh .— k, l, m, and n in respect of each risk , what- k, l, m, and n in respect of each risk , what the department each risk, what the department is each risk, what the department hs eehhg— each risk, what the department hs eehhg he— each risk, what the department is doing to manage the risk, to mhhhgahe— is doing to manage the risk, to mhhhgahe hh— is doing to manage the risk, to mhhhgahe hh, he— is doing to manage the risk, to mitigate it, to ensure either hhah— mitigate it, to ensure either hhah hhe— mitigate it, to ensure either that the risk— mitigate it, to ensure either that the risk does not eventuate , it that the risk does not eventuate , hh hees— that the risk does not eventuate , hh hees heh— that the risk does not eventuate , it does not come— that the risk does not eventuate , it does not come to pass or or to , it does not come to pass or or he manage— , it does not come to pass or or he mahage hhe— , it does not come to pass or or to manage the consequences of whahewer— to manage the consequences of whahewer hh— to manage the consequences of whatever it is— to manage the consequences of whatever it is that— to manage the consequences of whatever it is that the risk ameuhhs— whatever it is that the risk ameuhhs he— whatever it is that the risk amounts to what what it brings aheuh— amounts to what what it brings aheuh ahe— amounts to what what it brings about and how— amounts to what what it brings about and how the consequences can about and how the consequences he— about and how the consequences he managea— about and how the consequences can be managed .— about and how the consequences can be managed . do you happen to can be managed. do you happen to hhew— can be managed. do you happen to hhew why— can be managed. do you happen to hhew why hh— can be managed. do you happen to know why in this— can be managed. do you happen to know why in this risk— can be managed. do you happen to know why in this risk register the know why in this risk register hhe hhere— know why in this risk register hhe hhere hs— know why in this risk register the there is no— know why in this risk register the there is no mitigation in seh— the there is no mitigation in seh euh— the there is no mitigation in seh euh hh— the there is no mitigation in set out in respect of that row 11 set out in respect of that row hh ush— set out in respect of that row hh rhsh. — set out in respect of that row hh rhsh. we.— set out in respect of that row hh rhsh. we. .— set out in respect of that row 11 risk. no, i don't- set out in respect of that row 11 risk. whi :hi c set out in respect of that row 11 risk. no, i don't know why

those boxes are empty, but i do know that there was six significant activity under way, both in the department and in pubuc both in the department and in public health. england to make sure that we were prepared, as prepared as then thought possible. now come on to that, because it's absolutely central , that question . question and , that question. question and frankly , we it was a it was frankly, we it was a it was a regular occurrence to deal with these sorts of novel infectious diseases. and threats. so it was it was something that happened all the time . do you recall. mr all the time. do you recall. mr hahsesh— all the time. do you recall. mr hahsesh any— c do you recall. mr hancock, any particular departmental board, which presumahhy— departmental board, which presumably you attended, at whhsh— presumably you attended, at whhsh hhe— presumably you attended, at which the row— presumably you attended, at which the row 11— presumably you attended, at which the row 11 risk of a major hahhehah— which the row 11 risk of a major national infectious— which the row 11 risk of a major national infectious disease and paheemhs— national infectious disease and paheemhs hu— national infectious disease and pandemic flu was— national infectious disease and pandemic flu was actively eehaheee— pandemic flu was actively debated? no— pandemic flu was actively debated? no do you have any

recollection— debated? no do you have any recollection on— debated? no do you have any recollection on of— debated? no do you have any recollection on of the debate surreuhehhg— recollection on of the debate surrounding this— recollection on of the debate surrounding this particular risk at departmental— surrounding this particular risk at departmental boards? i mean , at departmental boards? i mean, ehwheushy— at departmental boards? i mean, ehwheushy a— at departmental boards? i mean, obviously a great— at departmental boards? i mean, obviously a great deal . at departmental boards? i mean, obviously a great deal. many pehhs— obviously a great deal. many pemhs ge— obviously a great deal. many points go across— obviously a great deal. many points go across the secretary of points go across the secretary eh shahe-s— points go across the secretary of state's desk,— points go across the secretary of state's desk, but do you have any— of state's desk, but do you have any persehah— of state's desk, but do you have any personal recollection of. i heh-h— any personal recollection of. i eer-h ah— any personal recollection of. i eer-h ah hhe— any personal recollection of. i don't at the departmental board, but i also wouldn't have expected it to be debated at the departmental board because the departmental board was focussed on ensuring that there was appropriate risk force in place for any of the different risks that the department faced and the ensuring that the department was set up to respond, not to do the responding itself . it's an the responding itself. it's an important distinction in terms of how the board operated and what its job was and i was aware from the day one brief onwards of the work that was that was underway. so there's no substantive reason these boxes

should be empty and i think it would be wrong to read from this , which i don't recall myself this implying that there wasn't work ongoing because as you can see from the other paperwork that was my question was in fact , so matt hancock , the former , so matt hancock, the former health secretary, being at questioned by hugo keith, kc , questioned by hugo keith, kc, who is the lead for counsel the covid 19 inquiry. this is not aheuh— covid 19 inquiry. this is not aheuh sae— covid 19 inquiry. this is not about care homes- : 9 t: ”g this is not about care homes and : 9 t: ”j this is not about care homes and having the preheshwe— about care homes and having the preheshwe arm— about care homes and having the protective arm around care homes ,whhsh— protective arm around care homes pita. eh— protective arm around care homes , whhsh eh seurse— protective arm around care homes , which of course, he— protective arm around care homes , which of course, he said the gewemmehh— , which of course, he said the government had— , which of course, he said the government had done. it's about the preparedness— government had done. it's about the preparedness for the paheemhs— the preparedness for the pandemic and of course this will run throughout— pandemic and of course this will run throughout the— pandemic and of course this will run throughout the day. it's going— run throughout the day. it's gehhg he— run throughout the day. it's gehhg he ru— run throughout the day. it's going to run for— run throughout the day. it's going to run for another three or even four years. chi" or even four years. can you imagine being baroness hallett and having sit in that chair and having to sit in that chair for 3 or 4 years with the pace of that procedure? look, i'm interested in this topic that was . we lie. there was boring. we can't lie. there are questions need asking, was boring. we can't lie. there are i'mstions need asking, was boring. we can't lie. there are i'm just s need asking, was boring. we can't lie. there are i'm just not need asking, was boring. we can't lie. there are i'm just not sure ed asking, was boring. we can't lie. there are i'm just not sure they're1g, but i'm just not sure they're going to be the right questions. let's talk molly kingsley,

let's talk to molly kingsley, now, of us for them, and now, founder of us for them, and see what she thinks. morning, molly. good see what she thinks. morning, molly . good morning. see what she thinks. morning, molly. good morning. deb, see what she thinks. morning, molly . good morning. deb, does molly. good morning. deb, does your blood boil? does your blood boil in the same way that mine does? as i sit there looking at taxpayer money just being burnt in the corner they all in the corner while they all waffle around the issue? yeah, well, waffle the well, they waffle around the hssues-hhey— well, they waffle around the issues .they ask - well, they waffle around the issues they ask wrong issues and they ask the wrong gueshhehs. — issues and they ask the wrong gueshhehs. -we- issues and they ask the wrong questions.-we sawi questions. so i think we saw hhhs— questions. so i think we saw this yesterday.— questions. so i think we saw this yesterday. yesterday this yesterday. so yesterday hhere— this yesterday. so yesterday hhere was— this yesterday. so yesterday hhere a— this yesterday. so yesterday there was a lady called emma here.— there was a lady called emma here. she— there was a lady called emma reid. she was— there was a lady called emma reid. she was director of paheemhs— reid. she was director of pandemic preparedness at dhsc. so, yeu— pandemic preparedness at dhsc. se, yeu knew,— pandemic preparedness at dhsc. so, you know, potentially a very hmperhahh— so, you know, potentially a very important witness. _ so, you know, potentially a very important witness. and what was reahhy— important witness. and what was reahhy ehwheus— important witness. and what was really obvious and— important witness. and what was really obvious and i only hhshehee— really obvious and i only listened to— really obvious and i only listened to about an hour and a hat— listened to about an hour and a hahh eh— listened to about an hour and a hahh eh hh— listened to about an hour and a hahh eh h, h— listened to about an hour and a half of it, i saw— listened to about an hour and a half of it, i saw like tape. you knew— half of it, i saw like tape. you knew, whah— half of it, i saw like tape. you know, what was— half of it, i saw like tape. you know, what was very obvious is hhah— know, what was very obvious is hhah hhere— know, what was very obvious is that there was— know, what was very obvious is that there was a— know, what was very obvious is that there was a particular shahh— that there was a particular shahh hem — that there was a particular slant from hugo keith, the hhguhry.— slant from hugo keith, the hhguhy. hs— slant from hugo keith, the hhguhy. hs eh— slant from hugo keith, the inquiry. kc on the questioning, ahe— inquiry. kc on the questioning, and hhah-s— inquiry. kc on the questioning, and that's plant— inquiry. kc on the questioning, and that's plant was, you know, as h— and that's plant was, you know, as hh seuheee— and that's plant was, you know, as it sounded actually from that sherh— as it sounded actually from that sherh shhp. — as it sounded actually from that short clip. then— as it sounded actually from that short clip. then was beginning to short clip. then was beginning he he— short clip. then was beginning he he hhe— short clip. then was beginning to be the case— short clip. then was beginning to be the case with hancock heehhhg— to be the case with hancock heehmg very— to be the case with hancock looking very narrowly at the phahs. — looking very narrowly at the phahs. hhe,— looking very narrowly at the phahs. hhe, yeu— looking very narrowly at the plans. and, you know, obviously examhmhg— plans. and, you know, obviously examining what— plans. and, you know, obviously examining what the plans were ahe— examining what the plans were and whah— examining what the plans were and what preparation had been put and what preparation had been

puh hh— and what preparation had been puh hh phase— and what preparation had been puh hh phase hs— and what preparation had been put in place is very legitimate . huh— put in place is very legitimate . huh hhhs— put in place is very legitimate . huh hhhs very— put in place is very legitimate . but this very narrow kind of shahh— . but this very narrow kind of shahh he— . but this very narrow kind of shahh he hhe— . but this very narrow kind of slant to the questioning , which slant to the questioning, which is slant to the questioning, which hs reahhy— slant to the questioning, which is really focussed— slant to the questioning, which is really focussed on why was heh— is really focussed on why was more not done— is really focussed on why was more not done .— is really focussed on why was more not done . so, you know, one more not done. so, you know, one of more not done. so, you know, one eh hhe— more not done. so, you know, one of the questions— more not done. so, you know, one of the questions yesterday was expresshy, — of the questions yesterday was expresshy, ahe— of the questions yesterday was expressly, and i'm quoting here, you expressly, and i'm quoting here, yeu hhew— expressly, and i'm quoting here, yeu knew, was— expressly, and i'm quoting here, you know, was there any debate aheuh— you know, was there any debate aheuh hhe— you know, was there any debate about the possibility of border closures , mass— about the possibility of border closures , mass mass quarantine, closures, mass mass quarantine, hsehahheh— closures, mass mass quarantine, hsehahheh ahe— closures, mass mass quarantine, isolation and mandatory guarahhhhe— isolation and mandatory quarantine ?_ isolation and mandatory quarantine ? and actually, i quarantine? and actually, i hhhhh— quarantine? and actually, i hhhhh whah— quarantine? and actually, i think what many of us would say hearhee— think what many of us would say we've learned over— think what many of us would say we've learned over the last hhree— we've learned over the last hhree years— we've learned over the last three years is— we've learned over the last three years is that each of hhese— three years is that each of those policies— three years is that each of those policies was to a greater or lesser extent,— those policies was to a greater or lesser extent, a— those policies was to a greater or lesser extent, a disaster. so heh ashhhg— or lesser extent, a disaster. so we're not asking the right gueshheh— we're not asking the right question, which is were these hhherwehhhehs— question, which is were these interventions appropriate? were hhey— interventions appropriate? were hhey ewheehse— interventions appropriate? were they evidence based, and what hhe— they evidence based, and what hhe sesh— they evidence based, and what was the cost of— they evidence based, and what was the cost of them? and i've heh— was the cost of them? and i've heh yeh— was the cost of them? and i've heh yeh heare— was the cost of them? and i've not yet heard one— was the cost of them? and i've not yet heard one mention of hhah— not yet heard one mention of hhah . — not yet heard one mention of hhah . pushy.— not yet heard one mention of that . molly, remind- not yet heard one mention of that. : not yet heard one mention of that. t: not yet heard one mention of- that . molly, remind us what your that. molly, remind us what your group does and why and why you set it up . oh, yeah , of course. set it up. oh, yeah, of course. so we are a group called. as for hhem— so we are a group called. as for hhem, we— so we are a group called. as for hhem, we ae— so we are a group called. as for hhem, we a— so we are a group called. as for them, we are a group of largely parehhs— them, we are a group of largely parehhs huh— them, we are a group of largely parents, but actually also grandparents— parents, but actually also grandparents ,_ parents, but actually also grandparents , you know, grandparents, you know, heashers— grandparents, you know, teachers, psychologists , other teachers, psychologists, other experhs— teachers, psychologists, other

experhs whe — teachers, psychologists, other experts who really formed at the heghmhhg— experts who really formed at the heghmhhg eh— experts who really formed at the beginning of the— experts who really formed at the beginning of the pandemic just out beginning of the pandemic just euh eh— beginning of the pandemic just euh eh a— beginning of the pandemic just out of a concern— beginning of the pandemic just out of a concern that the interventions— out of a concern that the interventions and school shesues ah— interventions and school closures at that point in parhhsuhar— closures at that point in particular were really damaging for particular were really damaging her shhhereh— particular were really damaging her shhereh .— particular were really damaging for children . and— particular were really damaging for children . and we formed for children. and we formed a pehh— for children. and we formed a part, h— for children. and we formed a part, r hhhhh— for children. and we formed a point, i think it's— for children. and we formed a point, i think it's fair to say, when— point, i think it's fair to say, when he— point, i think it's fair to say, when no one was- point, i think it's fair to say, when no one was really saying hhah,— when no one was really saying hhah, yeu— when no one was really saying hhah, yeu knew,— when no one was really saying that, you know, obviously it's heseme— that, you know, obviously it's heseme very— that, you know, obviously it's become very trendy now to say hhah— become very trendy now to say hhah whee— become very trendy now to say that we've had _ become very trendy now to say that we've had lots of people jump— that we've had lots of people rump eh— that we've had lots of people rump eh eur— that we've had lots of people jump on our bandwagon and, you knew,— jump on our bandwagon and, you knew-ah— jump on our bandwagon and, you know,.an extent— jump on our bandwagon and, you know,.an extent-is- know, to an extent that is greah— know, to an extent that is greahlh— know, to an extent that is greahlh ee— know, to an extent that is great. i do think we also great. but i do think we also peee— great. but i do think we also need he— great. but i do think we also need to .clear_ great. but i do think we also need to clear that there were need to be clear that there were a few— need to be clear that there were a few eh— need to be clear that there were a few ehlsayhhg— need to be clear that there were a few of saying this from the a few of us saying this from the heghmhg— a few of us saying this from the heghmhhglh— a few of us saying this from the beginning,-it-just. beginning, and it wasn't just for beginning, and it wasn't just herlhhem— beginning, and it wasn't just for-them,-know,- beginning, and it wasn't just for them, know, it was us for us them, you know, it was us for us them, you know, it was us her hhem— for us them, you know, it was us her hhem. hh— for us them, you know, it was us for them. it was— for us them, you know, it was us for them. it was also the children's— for them. it was also the children's commissioner was very shear— children's commissioner was very shear-hhe— children's commissioner was very clear-the negative- clear about the negative implications— clear about the negative implications many children implications for many children of school closures. there were peephe— people like professor ellen hewhsehe. — people like professor ellen townsend-was- people like professor ellen townsend. was a great voice townsend. she was a great voice hhreugheuh— townsend. she was a great voice throughout saying,— townsend. she was a great voice throughout saying, know, throughout saying, you know, reahhy,— throughout saying, you know, reahhy-hhe- really, where is the proportionality some of proportionality motty in some of hhese— proportionality motty in some of these measures— proportionality motty in some of these measures ?_ proportionality motty in some of these measures ? and think, you these measures? and i think, you knew,— these measures? and i think, you knew, reahhy— these measures? and i think, you know, really the _ these measures? and i think, you know, really the three hours hhhs— know, really the three hours hhhs memhg— know, really the three hours this morning-be. know, really the three hours this morning be such this morning ought to be such a greah— this morning ought to be such a greah epperhuhhhy— this morning ought to be such a great opportunity for hancock to be great opportunity for hancock to h-seme— great opportunity for hancock to h-seme eh— great opportunity for hancock to be-some of these- great opportunity for hancock to be some of these key be asked some of these key gueshhehs— be asked some of these key gueshhehs .— be asked some of these key questions .-you- be asked some of these key. questions .-you-what questions. so, you know, what aheuh— questions. so, you know, what about proportionality? what aheuh— about proportionality? whati aheuh—whah about proportionality? what- about_what about about reasonableness? what about the about reasonableness? what about hhe paheemhs— about reasonableness? what about the pandemic plans, which set out the pandemic plans, which set euh many— the pandemic plans, which set out many-these— the pandemic plans, which set

out many these principles ? out many of these principles? huh— out many of these principles? huh h— out many of these principles? huh h weuhe— out many of these principles? but i would be— out many of these principles? but i would be surprised if we hear— but i would be surprised if we hear hhah— but i would be surprised if we hear that line— but i would be surprised if we hear that line of— but i would be surprised if we hear that line of questioning hem— hear that line of questioning hem hhe— hear that line of questioning from the inquiry— hear that line of questioning from the inquiry based on what we've seen so far. _ from the inquiry based on what we've seen so far. i �*7 c we've seen so far. i mean, if it wasn't for you, molly, and actually and us them, there actually and us for them, there would no consideration of the would be no consideration of the impact children young impact on children and young people inquiry because people from this inquiry because the of reference initially the terms of reference initially didn't even include that as a factor. did they? no , they factor. did they? no, they shah-h. — factor. did they? no, they shah-h. hhey— factor. did they? no, they didn't. they didn't- t j : cihiy7’ no, they didn't. they didn't mention the were— didn't. they didn't mention the word children— didn't. they didn't mention the word children when they did mehhheh— word children when they did mention once— word children when they did mention once .— word children when they did mention once . i— word children when they did mention once . i think i know. mention once. i think i know. hh-s— mention once. i think i know. it's incredible,— mention once. i think i know. it's incredible, isn't it? because, you- it's incredible, isn't it? because, you know, there's 10 mhhhheh— because, you know, there's 10 million children— because, you know, there's 10 million children in this country .leh— million children in this country .leh hhah— million children in this country ..on that basis— million children in this country . on that basis alone , you . so on that basis alone, you weuhe— . so on that basis alone, you weuhe expesh— . so on that basis alone, you would expect them to be included .—hhe— would expect them to be included .—hhe hhhhg— would expect them to be included ._the thing that- . and i think the thing that makes— . and i think the thing that makes hh— . and i think the thing that makes it really— . and i think the thing that makes it really shocking that makes it really shocking is that i makes it really shocking is that h-mahy— makes it really shocking is that h-mahy eh— makes it really shocking is that h-mahy eh us— makes it really shocking is that i many of us believe that i think many of us believe that shhhereh— i think many of us believe that children were— i think many of us believe that children were the— i think many of us believe that children were the cohort most ehspreh— children were the cohort most disprot passionately impacted by by heh— disprot passionately impacted by hy heh ehhy— disprot passionately impacted by by not only school— disprot passionately impacted by by not only school closures, ashuahhy— by not only school closures, ashuahhy, huh— by not only school closures, actually, but lockdown as well. hhe— actually, but lockdown as well. hhe hhe— actually, but lockdown as well. and the other— actually, but lockdown as well. and the other mitigations . and and the other mitigations. and so and the other mitigations. and se h— and the other mitigations. and se h hhhhh— and the other mitigations. and se h hhhhh yeu— and the other mitigations. and so i think you know, to think hhah— so i think you know, to think hhah hhe— so i think you know, to think that the inquiry— so i think you know, to think that the inquiry wouldn't have addressee— that the inquiry wouldn't have addressed that— that the inquiry wouldn't have addressed that and, you know where— addressed that and, you know where we— addressed that and, you know where we are now with the hhguhry— where we are now with the hhguhy hs— where we are now with the hhguhy hs har— where we are now with the inquiry is far from perfect. so here— inquiry is far from perfect. so

hhere hs— inquiry is far from perfect. so hhere hs hew— inquiry is far from perfect. so there is now, as— inquiry is far from perfect. so there is now, as a— inquiry is far from perfect. so there is now, as a result of our sampahgmhg— there is now, as a result of our sampahgmhg ahe— there is now, as a result of our campaigning and the campaigning of campaigning and the campaigning eh ehhers— campaigning and the campaigning of others, there— campaigning and the campaigning of others, there is— campaigning and the campaigning of others, there is a— campaigning and the campaigning of others, there is a specific meeuhe— of others, there is a specific meeuhe eh— of others, there is a specific module on children, but at the very— module on children, but at the very-hhah— module on children, but at the very-hhah whhh- module on children, but at the very-that will be- very earliest that will be semehhme— very earliest that will be sometime towards the back end of hexh— sometime towards the back end of hexh-prehahhy— sometime towards the back end of next probably likely next year, probably more likely hoes.— next year, probably more likely 2025. h— next year, probably more likely zozs. hhlhar— next year, probably more likely 2025. it.fartoo_ next year, probably more likely 2025. it far too late. 2025. it is far too late. i hhhhh— 2025. it is far too late. i hhhhh a— 2025. it is far too late. i think a really- 2025. it is far too late. i think a really important point here— think a really important point here hs— think a really important point here hs hhah— think a really important point here is that the— think a really important point here is that the module to which in here is that the module to which hh ways— here is that the module to which in some ways, first— here is that the module to which in some ways, first of all, hhere-s— in some ways, first of all, hhere-s he— in some ways, first of all, there's no there's no one represehhhhg— there's no there's no one representing children in module one representing children in module paheemhs— representing children in module one pandemic preparedness. representing children in module one pandemic preparedness . that one pandemic preparedness. that is one pandemic preparedness. that hs very— one pandemic preparedness. that hs wery eah— one pandemic preparedness. that is very odd because— one pandemic preparedness. that is very odd because how on earth yeu— is very odd because how on earth yeu hahh— is very odd because how on earth can you talk about— is very odd because how on earth can you talk about being for prepared— can you talk about being for prepared a— can you talk about being for prepared a pandemic if you're not prepared a pandemic if you're heh ahse— prepared a pandemic if you're not also talking— prepared a pandemic if you're not also talking about how do we keep— not also talking about how do we keep children's— not also talking about how do we keep children's lives going? you knew,— keep children's lives going? you knew, hew— keep children's lives going? you knew, hew ee— keep children's lives going? you know, how do we— keep children's lives going? you know, how do we keep schools epehe— know, how do we keep schools epehe seems— know, how do we keep schools open? seems the _ know, how do we keep schools open? seems the inquiry is not hhhereshee— open? seems the inquiry is not interested in— open? seems the inquiry is not interested in that— open? seems the inquiry is not interested in that argument. here— interested in that argument. hhere hs— interested in that argument. hhere hs he— interested in that argument. there is no one— interested in that argument. there is no one representing shhhereh.— there is no one representing children. and— there is no one representing children. and we— there is no one representing children. and we did apply. ehhers— children. and we did apply. others applied— children. and we did apply. others applied to for module rer— others applied to for module one. for module— others applied to for module one. for module two, there is a sehserhum— one. for module two, there is a consortium representing children ,-g...t._ consortium representing children ,-g...t. hh-s— consortium representing children ,-g...t. hh-shahr- consortium representing children ,-great. it's fair to- , which is great. it's fair to say— , which is great. it's fair to say hhey— , which is great. it's fair to say hhey — , which is great. it's fair to say they were far less of an awkward— say they were far less of an awkward squad— say they were far less of an awkward squad than, you know us. for awkward squad than, you know us. her hhem— awkward squad than, you know us. her hhem ahe— awkward squad than, you know us. for them and the— awkward squad than, you know us. for them and the people we apphhee— for them and the people we apphhee he— for them and the people we applied to module two with. so we-hh— applied to module two with. so we-hh see— applied to module two with. so we-hh hew— applied to module two with. so we'll see how that— applied to module two with. so we'll see how that translates. huh— we'll see how that translates. huh ah— we'll see how that translates. huh ah heash— we'll see how that translates. but at least there— we'll see how that translates. but at least there is a voice in

meeuhe— but at least there is a voice in meeuhe hwe— but at least there is a voice in module two and— but at least there is a voice in module two and module two is the key module two and module two is the hey eeshsheh— module two and module two is the key decision making— module two and module two is the key decision making module. but the key decision making module. but hhe hhes— key decision making module. but hhe has ,— key decision making module. but hhe has , hhe— key decision making module. but the kids , the children's the kids, the children's speshhs— the kids, the children's specific module isn't going to be specific module isn't going to he her— specific module isn't going to be for another— specific module isn't going to be for another 2— specific module isn't going to be for another 2 or 3 years, whhsh— be for another 2 or 3 years, whhsh h— be for another 2 or 3 years, whhsh h rush— be for another 2 or 3 years, which i just think is unbelievable. and molly , who unbelievable. and molly, who sahe— unbelievable. and molly, who sahe he— unbelievable. and molly, who sahe he he— unbelievable. and molly, who said no to having children represented— said no to having children represented in— said no to having children represented in this first stage? i represented in this first stage? h mean.— represented in this first stage? h whe— represented in this first stage? i mean, who makes— represented in this first stage? l i mean, who makes-decision? i mean, who makes that decision? is minister or is the is it a minister or is it the qc, the kc who's standing up speaking now? lady hallett no, i think was directly hallett. think it was directly hallett. so a letter back from so we had a letter back from hasty— so we had a letter back from haey hahhehh— so we had a letter back from lady hallett-a- so we had a letter back from lady hallett a bit of lady hallett and, and a bit of sehhehh— lady hallett and, and a bit of content here,— lady hallett and, and a bit of content here, andrew, is that it wash— content here, andrew, is that it ash rush— content here, andrew, is that it ash rush us— content here, andrew, is that it wasn't just us for— content here, andrew, is that it wasn't just us for them applying so wasn't just us for them applying se us her— wasn't just us for them applying so us for them.— wasn't just us for them applying so us for them. and this, this is so us for them. and this, this hs puhhs— so us for them. and this, this hs puhhhs, se— so us for them. and this, this is public, so i'm— so us for them. and this, this is public, so i'm sure i say is public, so i'm sure i can say it, is public, so i'm sure i can say hh, huh— is public, so i'm sure i can say hh, huh yeu— is public, so i'm sure i can say it, but you know— is public, so i'm sure i can say it, but you know us— is public, so i'm sure i can say it, but you know us for them hegehher— it, but you know us for them together with _ it, but you know us for them together with a _ it, but you know us for them together with a consortium apphhee— together with a consortium apphhee her— together with a consortium applied for module one and meeuhe— applied for module one and module consortium module two. that consortium ashuahhy— actually included anne longfield , who is the children's commissioner at the time of the paheemhs— commissioner at the time of the paheemhs ,— commissioner at the time of the paheemhs , ahe— commissioner at the time of the pandemic , and we— commissioner at the time of the pandemic , and we were refused pandemic, and we were refused for pandemic, and we were refused her pehh— pandemic, and we were refused for both those— pandemic, and we were refused for both those modules , which, for both those modules, which, you— for both those modules, which, yeu thew, — for both those modules, which, yeu knew we — for both those modules, which, you know, we thought was quite surprhshhg— surprising because they were aheuh— surprising because they were aheuh-us— surprising because they were about-us, eight- about eight of us, eight organisations- organisations and individuals eash— organisations and individuals eash eh— organisations and individuals each of whom— organisations and individuals each of whom had a real each of whom had had a real shake— each of whom had had a real stake -three_ each of whom had had a real stake three preceding stake in the three preceding years— stake in the three preceding years .— stake in the three preceding years . whet— stake in the three preceding years . when we— stake in the three preceding years . when we had the letter years. when we had the letter hash— years. when we had the letter hash hem — years. when we had the letter back from module one and i heehee— back from module one and i heehee ah— back from module one and i looked at it— back from module one and i looked at it last— back from module one and i looked at it last night because i looked at it last night because

t hheughh— looked at it last night because ithought-might- looked at it last night because i thought might up, it i thought this might come up, it was effectively— i thought this might come up, it was effectively because it was euhshee— was effectively because it was euhshee hhe— was effectively because it was outside the remit— was effectively because it was outside the remit of module one. so outside the remit of module one. se-ahyhhhhg— outside the remit of module one. so anything personal so it wasn't anything personal aheuh— so it wasn't anything personal aheuh us— so it wasn't anything personal about us..was_ so it wasn't anything personal about us. was because module about us. it was because module aheuh— about us. it was because module one was about pandemic preparedness— one was about pandemic preparedness or not. children eheshhtehy— preparedness or not. children eheshhtehy .— preparedness or not. children effectively . and— preparedness or not. children effectively . and i just find effectively. and i just find hhah— effectively. and i just find that incredible— effectively. and i just find that incredible and i think it speaks— that incredible and i think it speaks he— that incredible and i think it speaks to the _ that incredible and i think it speaks to the very problem that we hate— speaks to the very problem that we have seen throughout the hhree— we have seen throughout the hhree years— we have seen throughout the three years that— we have seen throughout the three years that children have been— three years that children have been consistently overlooked and eeprherhhhzee— been consistently overlooked and eeprherhhhzee .— been consistently overlooked and deprioritized . i— been consistently overlooked and deprioritized . i mean, there was deprioritized. i mean, there was a shuey— deprioritized. i mean, there was a shuey hhah— deprioritized. i mean, there was a study that came— deprioritized. i mean, there was a study that came out yesterday sayhhg— a study that came out yesterday sayhhg hhah— a study that came out yesterday sayhhg hhah we— a study that came out yesterday saying that we don't need a shuey— saying that we don't need a shuey he— saying that we don't need a shuey he hehh— saying that we don't need a study to tell us— saying that we don't need a study to tell us that it's been ahsehuhehy— study to tell us that it's been absolutely obvious from day one of absolutely obvious from day one eh hhe— absolutely obvious from day one of the pandemic.— absolutely obvious from day one of the pandemic. _ absolutely obvious from day one of the pandemic. / of the pandemic. yeah, absolutely. _ of the pandemic. yeah, absolutely. well, thank you, molly. up the work and molly. keep up the good work and i'm sure we'll talk about it quite during because quite a lot during this because we've got another four years of this, sure we'll this, molly. so i'm sure we'll be this, molly. so i'm sure we'll he-he— this, molly. so i'm sure we'll he-he yeu— this, molly. so i'm sure we'll be-to you again- this, molly. so i'm sure we'll be-to you again and. be talking to you again and wet— be talking to you again and wet teet— be talking to you again and we'll look forward it . h/hitsii we'll look forward to it. yeah. rhghh— we'll look forward to it. yeah. rhghh hhe— we'll look forward to it. yeah. rhghh hhe gees— we'll look forward to it. yeah. fight the good fight.— we'll look forward to it. h/hitsii fight the good fight. that's wehhy— fight the good fight. that's wehhy-hem - fight the good fight. that's molly from what's fight the good fight. that's- molly -from what's her molly kingsley from what's her group— molly kingsley from what's her greup sahhee— molly kingsley from what's her greup sahhee us— molly kingsley from what's her group called us for that. ': group called us for that. and ahse— group called us for that. and ahse. t— group called us for that. and ahse. t mhhh— group called us for that. and also, i think the— group called us for that. and also, i think the government are asking stories. there asking for your stories. there is an you might have is an advert you might have heard the radio saying, heard it on the radio saying, tell of the tell us your stories of the covid pandemic. tell us your stories of the covid pandemic . they want to covid pandemic. they want to factor this into inquiry. i factor this into the inquiry. i think no doubt kids were

think there's no doubt kids were the—university- the biggest loser university ssheehs— the biggest loser university schools stuck— the biggest loser university schools stuck at home. and while i schools stuck at home. and while t semehmes— schools stuck at home. and while i sometimes despair, people going— i sometimes despair, people gehhg aheuh— i sometimes despair, people going about mental illness, hhere— going about mental illness, hhere hs— going about mental illness, hhere hs he— going about mental illness, there is no doubt that some kids shush— there is no doubt that some kids shush ah— there is no doubt that some kids shush ah heme— there is no doubt that some kids stuck at home without seeing her— stuck at home without seeing hhehr mahes— stuck at home without seeing their mates. maybe in a tower hhesh— their mates. maybe in a tower hhesh-he— their mates. maybe in a tower block-no garden,- their mates. maybe in a tower block no garden, can't go block with no garden, can't go out block with no garden, can't go euh-eeer— block with no garden, can't go out-door isolated.- block with no garden, can't go out door isolated. it wasn't out the door isolated. it wasn't gees— out the door isolated. it wasn't geeelhhehr— out the door isolated. it wasn't good .their mental- out the door isolated. it wasn't good their mental health. good for their mental health. wew—he- good for their mental health. wew—he heash- good for their mental health.i now—to head back good for their mental health.- now_to head back to now we're going to head back to wahshesher— now we're going to head back to manchester as— now we're going to head back to manchester as they— manchester as they house hurepe-s— manchester as they house europe's biggest housing heshhtah— europe's biggest housing festival. of festival. we spoke earlier, of course,-mayor- festival. we spoke earlier, of course, -mayor of- course, to the mayor of manchester, _ course, to the mayor of manchester, burnham. course, to the mayor of- manchester,-burnham. this manchester, andy burnham. this is manchester, andy burnham. this hsewsreem-w— manchester, andy burnham. this is- newsroom on- manchester, andy burnham. this. is- newsroom on.news is britain's newsroom on gb news heephe-s—

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britain's news. channel it's 1030 with britain's i i it's 1030 with britain's newsroom on gb 1030 with britain's newsroom on he wews— 1030 with britain's newsroom on he wews whhh— 1030 with britain's newsroom on gb news with bev— 1030 with britain's newsroom on gb news with bev turner and wherew— gb news with bev turner and andrew pierce. _ gb news with bev turner and andrew pierce. �*tt�*hi ”hi: ghi g ghi andrew pierce. we're going to go straight back to that housing conference in manchester with our very own business and economics editor liam halligan. liam, . morning, andrew. liam, morning. morning, andrew. werhhhg,— liam, morning. morning, andrew. honing, hew.— liam, morning. morning, andrew. morning, bev. this— liam, morning. morning, andrew. morning, bev. this is— g morning, andrew. morning, bev. this is housing hoes.— morning, bev. this is housing hoes. were— morning, bev. this is housing 2023. we're in— morning, bev. this is housing 2023. we're in the central exshahge— 2023. we're in the central etshahge hh— 2023. we're in the central exchange in manchester. this weheerhuh— exchange in manchester. this wonderful victorian building whhsh— wonderful victorian building which harks— wonderful victorian building which harks back to manchester's gherheus— which harks back to manchester's glorious victorian— which harks back to manchester's glorious victorian industrial pash— glorious victorian industrial past there— glorious victorian industrial past. there are— glorious victorian industrial past. there are thousands of eehegahes— past. there are thousands of delegates here— past. there are thousands of delegates here from all across the delegates here from all across hhe heushhg— delegates here from all across the housing sector and i'm rehea— the housing sector and i'm joined andrew— the housing sector and i'm joined andrew and bev by gavin smarh— joined andrew and bev by gavin smarh .— joined andrew and bev by gavin smarh . he— joined andrew and bev by gavin smarh . he hs— joined andrew and bev by gavin smart . he is the— joined andrew and bev by gavin smart. he is the chief joined andrew and bev by gavin smart . he is the chief executive smart. he is the chief executive of smart. he is the chief executive eh hhe— smart. he is the chief executive of the chartered _ smart. he is the chief executive of the chartered institute of heushg— of the chartered institute of housing. gavin,— of the chartered institute of housing. gavin, this is your conference. you've spent 30 years— conference. you've spent 30 years t— conference. you've spent 30 years t hhhhh— conference. you've spent 30 years, i think you're looking wehh— years, i think you're looking wehh hh— years, i think you're looking wehh hh hhe— years, i think you're looking well in the housing industry. heur— well in the housing industry. your organisation covers local auhherhhhes— your organisation covers local authorities, developers , authorities, developers, huhheers— authorities, developers, builders, pretty much the whole of builders, pretty much the whole eh hhe— builders, pretty much the whole eh hhe heushhg— builders, pretty much the whole of the housing industry. look

heushhg— of the housing industry. look heushhg hs— of the housing industry. look housing is rocketing up the pehhhhsah— housing is rocketing up the political agenda. people are water— political agenda. people are worried about— political agenda. people are worried about their mortgages . worried about their mortgages. is worried about their mortgages. ts hhere— worried about their mortgages. ts hhere a— worried about their mortgages. is there a fundamental shortage of is there a fundamental shortage eh hemes— is there a fundamental shortage eh hemes hh— is there a fundamental shortage of homes in the— is there a fundamental shortage of homes in the uk? so we think hhere— of homes in the uk? so we think hhere hs— of homes in the uk? so we think there is a fundamental shortage of homes in the uk. a lot of the problems that you can see in the uk housing market, i think we would say are down to low long term inability to build the numbers of homes that we needed. and haven't really done that and we haven't really done that for 40 or and for 35, 40 years or more. and that problem been storing up that problem has been storing up over and getting bigger that problem has been storing up over time.and getting bigger that problem has been storing up over time.and gettiris bigger that problem has been storing up over time.and gettiris really' over time. and that is really aggravating affordability issues, right? yeah. so supply and demand less there's and demand are less there's something is more something there is the more money the money chasing it, the more expensive gets. we have real expensive it gets. we have real problems supply driving, problems with supply driving, big with affordability big problems with affordability . and course, that impacts . and of course, that impacts most particularly on people on lower incomes , working lower incomes, working households modest means who households on modest means who find themselves locked out of not only home ownership, but increasingly struggling now with the level of private rents as well. andy burnham told gb news earlier there is a full scale housing this country housing crisis in this country yesterday house of yesterday in the house of

commons, unveiled commons, jeremy hunt unveiled that new charter he's got with the mortgage providers. what did you think of the mortgage providers. what did yeu hhhhh eh hhe— the mortgage providers. what did you think of it? so— the mortgage providers. what did you think of it? so i— the mortgage providers. what did you think of it? so i think- gg : what did you think of it? so i think the mate— you think of it? so i think the sharherla— you think of it? so i think the charter-a helpful- you think of it? so i think the charter a helpful step charter is a helpful step hesause— charter is a helpful step because what- charter is a helpful step because what shows the because what it shows is the getemmehh— because what it shows is the government and _ because what it shows is the government and the mortgage pretheers— government and the mortgage providers understanding that we're—through. providers understanding that we're through an we're about to go through an hhsreehhhe— we're about to go through an incredible-and- we're about to go through an incredible-and it- we're about to go through an incredible and it is incredible squeeze and it is going— incredible squeeze and it is. gehhg—ahe going to need forbearance and understanding— going to need forbearance and understanding flexibility on understanding and flexibility on hehahh— understanding and flexibility on behalf-mortgage- understanding and flexibility on behalf mortgage lenders behalf of the mortgage lenders to behalf of the mortgage lenders he-us— behalf of the mortgage lenders he-us hhreugh- behalf of the mortgage lenders to us through that. to try to get us through that. huh— to try to get us through that. huh we— to try to get us through that. huh we-hashg— to try to get us through that. but we-facing an- but we are facing an extraordinarily rapid rise in borrowing rates , and that's borrowing rates, and that's going to cause real pain and real hardship for existing home owners are having to remortgage. and it's to further and it's going to cause further problems for who are problems for people who are trying their first home. trying to buy their first home. they're going to find that increasingly unaffordable and how about the of social how about the shortage of social housing, we used call housing, what we used to call council we council housing? gavin we haven't built— council housing? gavin we haven't built council- tt.ti. t c i�*g7’ gavin we haven't built council houses tt.ti. t. c i�*g7’ gavin we haven't built council houses on a preper— haven't built council houses on a preper ssahe— haven't built council houses on a proper scale for— haven't built council houses on a proper scale for years. for eesaees— a proper scale for years. for eesaees ,— a proper scale for years. for decades , the— a proper scale for years. for decades , the governments have decades, the governments have pehh— decades, the governments have hehh hhe— decades, the governments have both the main— decades, the governments have both the main parties . �*tt�*hi both the main parties. we have hhah— both the main parties. we have hahheu he— both the main parties. we have failed to build enough sufficiently affordable housing. what i would call social rented housing, and that has always been a part of the solution. when we have built the numbers of homes that to meet of homes that we need to meet our as a nation, often a

our needs as a nation, often a third or more of the homes that we built have been homes that social for those people social rent for those people for whom private and whom the private market and private ownership is out of reach. and so we do need more seshah— reach. and so we do need more seshah heushhg,— reach. and so we do need more social housing, more— ”111311" and so we do need more social housing, more council heuses — social housing, more council- heuses —hhahh houses. how can we unlock that? want— houses. how can we unlock that? want eh— houses. how can we unlock that? many of-members- houses. how can we unlock that? many of members housing many of your members are housing asseshahehsh — many of your members are housing associations. manage a lot associations. they manage a lot of associations. they manage a lot eh hhese— associations. they manage a lot of those social— associations. they manage a lot of those social homes , don't of those social homes, don't hheye— of those social homes, don't hheyh hhe— of those social homes, don't they? and because we're not putting— they? and because we're not building council— they? and because we're not building council houses, social heushhg,— building council houses, social heushhg, hhe— building council houses, social housing, the government is spehehhg— housing, the government is spehehhg eh,— housing, the government is spending 25, £30 billion a year on spending 25, £30 billion a year at heushhg— spending 25, £30 billion a year on housing benefit. :hi on housing benefit. so we do hesa— on housing benefit. so we do need he— on housing benefit. so we do need he hash— on housing benefit. so we do need to look at how we unlock additional government investment to go alongside the investment that organisations that these organisations themselves in homes to themselves make in new homes to drive up the numbers of new homes we're building. homes that we're building. because you're right that we have had a view well, we have had a view that well, we can meeting the can manage by meeting the running bill, the housing running costs bill, the housing benefit practise benefit bill, but in practise that ballooned. it's that bill has ballooned. it's getting all the and getting bigger all the time. and this spending for this government spending for money no return as well . gavin money no return as well. gavin well, thank you for— gavin well, thank you for welcoming gb wews— well, thank you for welcoming gb news-conference.- well, thank you for welcoming gb news conference. it's news to this conference. it's greah—wehh- news to this conference. it's great—we'll be. great to be here. we'll be broadcasting— great to be here. we'll be broadcasting from here all day. there— broadcasting from here all day. there yeu— broadcasting from here all day. there you have— broadcasting from here all day. there you have it.— broadcasting from here all day. there you have it. andrew and hew.— there you have it. andrew and hew-hs— there you have it. andrew and hew-ts heh— there you have it. andrew and bev.-is not-about- there you have it. andrew and bev. is not about home bev. this is not just about home ewhershhp— bev. this is not just about home ewhershhplahh — bev. this is not just about home ownership all. that's not ownership at all. that's not

ehhy— ownership at all. that's not ehhy-hhe— ownership at all. that's not only the housing crisis only where the housing crisis is. only where the housing crisis hs. we— only where the housing crisis hs. we ahse— only where the housing crisis is. we also have— only where the housing crisis is. we also have a big issue in hhhs— is. we also have a big issue in hhhs seuhhry— is. we also have a big issue in hhhs seuhhry eh— is. we also have a big issue in this country of affordable heushhg. — this country of affordable housing. and— this country of affordable. housing. and—at this country of affordable- housing. and—at the housing. and for people at the sharp— housing. and for people at the sharp-seshah— housing. and for people at the sharp-social to- housing. and for people at the sharp social to housing go sharp end, social to housing go past— sharp end, social to housing go past he— sharp end, social to housing go past he yeu— sharp end, social to housing go back to you, that's— sharp end, social to housing go back to you, that's liam hahhhgah— back to you, that's liam halligan saying we will be back to halligan saying we will be back he hhah— halligan saying we will be back he hhah mat-er— halligan saying we will be back to that major conference on heushhg— to that major conference on heushhg hh— to that major conference on housing in manchester. with housing in manchester. now, shru— housing in manchester. now, shhhh he— housing in manchester. now, still to come,— housing in manchester. now, still to come, every- housing in manchester. now, still to come, every migrant deported cost deported to rwanda will cost you, almost you, the taxpayer almost £170,000. but why? you, the taxpayer almost £170,000. but why? find out after your morning news with . after your morning news with. tamsin andrew, thank you. here are tamsin andrew, thank you. here hhe— tamsin andrew, thank you. here are the headlines— tamsin andrew, thank you. here are the headlines at— i andrew, thank you. here are the headlines at 1034. hermer— are the headlines at 1034. former health— are the headlines at 1034. former health secretary matt hahsesh— former health secretary matt hahsesh has— former health secretary matt hancock has told the covid 19 hhguhry— hancock has told the covid 19 hhguhy hhah— hancock has told the covid 19 hhguhy hhah he— hancock has told the covid 19 inquiry that he took his role as prhhshpah— inquiry that he took his role as principal responder to a paheemhs— principal responder to a pandemic very seriously. his appearahse— pandemic very seriously. his appearance comes after chancellor— appearance comes after chancellor jeremy appearance comes after chancellorjeremy hunt, another hermer— chancellorjeremy hunt, another former health— chancellorjeremy hunt, another former health secretary, said a narrowness of— former health secretary, said a narrowness of thinking failed to expand— narrowness of thinking failed to expand pandemic— narrowness of thinking failed to expand pandemic preparedness heyehe— expand pandemic preparedness heyehe phahhhhg— expand pandemic preparedness beyond planning for a flu euhhreah— beyond planning for a flu euhhreah .— beyond planning for a flu outbreak . matt hancock was one outbreak. matt hancock was one of outbreak. matt hancock was one eh hhe— outbreak. matt hancock was one of the politicians— outbreak. matt hancock was one of the politicians who steered the coronavac_ of the politicians who steered the coronavac response before hehhg— the coronavac response before hehhg hersee— the coronavac response before being forced to— the coronavac response before being forced to quit in june zozh—

being forced to quit in june zozh see— being forced to quit in june 2021. see here— being forced to quit in june 2021. see here executives from hesse— 2021. see here executives from hesse asha— 2021. see here executives from hesse hsea ,— 2021. see here executives from tesco asda , sainsbury's and tesco asda, sainsbury's and werrhsehs— tesco asda, sainsbury's and morrisons are— tesco asda, sainsbury's and morrisons are to— tesco asda, sainsbury's and morrisons are to be questioned by mrs— morrisons are to be questioned hy whs heeay— morrisons are to be questioned by mps today over rising food prhses— by mps today over rising food prhses. whet— by mps today over rising food prices. when wholesale prices are prices. when wholesale prices shepphhg— prices. when wholesale prices shepphhg ,— prices. when wholesale prices are dropping , food inflation has are dropping, food inflation has easee— are dropping, food inflation has easee her— are dropping, food inflation has easee her a— are dropping, food inflation has eased for a second month as supermarhehs— eased for a second month as supermarkets cut— eased for a second month as supermarkets cut the price of heusehehe— supermarkets cut the price of household staples . figures from household staples. figures from the household staples. figures from hhe hrhhhsh— household staples. figures from the british retail— household staples. figures from the british retail consortium shew— the british retail consortium shew hhah— the british retail consortium show that shop— the british retail consortium show that shop price inflation eterahh— show that shop price inflation overall slowed _ show that shop price inflation overall slowed to— show that shop price inflation overall slowed to 8.4% in june, eewh— overall slowed to 8.4% in june, eewh hem — overall slowed to 8.4% in june, eewh hem ew— overall slowed to 8.4% in june, down from 9% in— overall slowed to 8.4% in june, down from 9% in may. it says if the down from 9% in may. it says if hhe surrehh— down from 9% in may. it says if the current situation continues, it the current situation continues, hh sheuhe— the current situation continues, hh sheuhe shep— the current situation continues, it should drop to— the current situation continues, it should drop to single digits haher— it should drop to single digits haher hhhs— it should drop to single digits later this year— it should drop to single digits later this year .— it should drop to single digits later this year. labour will herse— later this year. labour will terse a— later this year. labour will force a vote— later this year. labour will force a vote in— later this year. labour will force a vote in the house of semmehs— force a vote in the house of commons on their proposals to hhe— commons on their proposals to ease the mortgage crisis . it ease the mortgage crisis. it ather— ease the mortgage crisis. it comes after the— ease the mortgage crisis. it comes after the bank of england rahsee— comes after the bank of england raised interest— comes after the bank of england raised interest rates last week. haheur-s— raised interest rates last week. haheur-s phat— raised interest rates last week. labour's plan includes forcing hahhs— labour's plan includes forcing hahhs he— labour's plan includes forcing hahhs he hehp— labour's plan includes forcing banks to help mortgage holders shrugghhhg— banks to help mortgage holders shrugghhhg whhh— banks to help mortgage holders struggling with payments by ahhewhhg— struggling with payments by allowing them _ struggling with payments by allowing them to temporarily swhhsh — allowing them to temporarily swhhsh he — allowing them to temporarily switch to interest only payments or switch to interest only payments er he— switch to interest only payments er he hehghheh— switch to interest only payments or to lengthen their mortgage perhee— or to lengthen their mortgage perhee .— or to lengthen their mortgage perhee . wew— or to lengthen their mortgage period . new measures have been period. new measures have been ahheuhsee he— period. new measures have been announced to tackle the non—concern- announced to tackle the non—concern sharing of intimate

hmages— non—concern sharing of intimate hmages ethhe— non—concern sharing of intimate images online. amendments to the chute— images online. amendments to the chute sahehy— images online. amendments to the online safety bill— images online. amendments to the online safety bill will remove the online safety bill will remove hhe peee— online safety bill will remove hhe heee he— online safety bill will remove the need to prove— online safety bill will remove the need to prove intent to cause distress,— the need to prove intent to cause distress, making it easier to cause distress, making it easier he sharge— cause distress, making it easier he sharge ahe— cause distress, making it easier to charge and convict offenders . hhese— to charge and convict offenders . hhese huhe— to charge and convict offenders . those found guilty could face up he— . those found guilty could face up he sh— . those found guilty could face up to six months— . those found guilty could face up to six months in jail. and if hhe— up to six months in jail. and if hhe hhhehh— up to six months in jail. and if hhe hhhehh he— up to six months in jail. and if the intent to distress is proven , a maximum of— the intent to distress is proven , a maximum of two years in susheey— , a maximum of two years in susheey .— , a maximum of two years in susheey . hhe— , a maximum of two years in custody . the government is being custody. the government is being urged— custody. the government is being urged he— custody. the government is being urged he ruhe— custody. the government is being urged to rule out— custody. the government is being urged to rule out detaining or hereby— urged to rule out detaining or forcibly removing children to rwanda— forcibly removing children to rwanda ,— forcibly removing children to rwanda , whose— forcibly removing children to rwanda , whose families are rwanda, whose families are seehhhg— rwanda, whose families are seeking asylum _ rwanda, whose families are seeking asylum in the uk. the women and equalities committee says— women and equalities committee says hhe— women and equalities committee says hhe rhshs— women and equalities committee says the risks of— women and equalities committee says the risks of harm to asylum seehhhg— says the risks of harm to asylum seeking children— says the risks of harm to asylum seeking children outweigh any risk seeking children outweigh any rhsh eh— seeking children outweigh any risk of damage— seeking children outweigh any risk of damage to the government's aim of deterrence hhreugh— government's aim of deterrence hhreugh hs— government's aim of deterrence through its illegal— government's aim of deterrence through its illegal migration bill through its illegal migration hhh hhe— through its illegal migration bill the home— through its illegal migration bill the home office says mhhhshers— bill the home office says ministers could- bill the home office says ministers could spend £169,000 on ministers could spend £169,000 eh eash— ministers could spend £169,000 eh eash perse— ministers could spend £169,000 on each person for— ministers could spend £169,000 on each person for nibley remetee— on each person for nibley removed . well, you can get more removed. well, you can get more on removed. well, you can get more et at— removed. well, you can get more at ahh eh— removed. well, you can get more on all of those— removed. well, you can get more on all of those stories by thshhhhg— on all of those stories by visiting our— on all of those stories by visiting our website gbnews.com

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gb news radio . good morning . gb news radio. good morning. it's gb news radio. good morning. th-s tote.— gb news radio. good morning. th-s tote. hhhs— gb news radio. good morning. it's 1040. this is— gb news radio. good morning. it's 1040. this is britain's- it's 1040. this is britain's newsroom it's1040. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson. bev turner now sending a single illegal migrant to rwanda or another safe country could cost you, the taxpayer for £169,000 each. that's according to £169,000 each. that's according he ahahyshs— £169,000 each. that's according to analysis from _ £169,000 each. that's according to analysis from our— hth 000 t that's according to analysis from our very own heme— to analysis from our very own heme ehhse. — to analysis from our very own home office. so— to analysis from our very own home office. :g at home office. so judges will make a decision about the rwanda policy this thursday as the government battles to stop the boats. let's get more analysis from editor , from our political editor, darren mccaffrey. morning, darren mccaffrey. good morning, darren. how has this figure of 169,000 per head been arrived at? yeah, very good. good mhhhg— at? yeah, very good. good memhg. het— tsic7 yeah, very good. good morning, bev and andrew. this comes from the— morning, bev and andrew. this comes from the home office. htery— comes from the home office. htery hme— comes from the home office. htery hhme a— comes from the home office. every time a policy is announced,- every time a policy is announced, it is up to civil sertahhs— announced, it is up to civil sertahhs heh— announced, it is up to civil servants not to— announced, it is up to civil servants not to ministers, to werh— servants not to ministers, to werh euh— servants not to ministers, to werh euh hush— servants not to ministers, to work out just what is the public

tahue— work out just what is the public tahue hh— work out just what is the public tahue hh hh— work out just what is the public value in it, what— work out just what is the public value in it, what potentially it seuhh— value in it, what potentially it seuhe sesh— value in it, what potentially it could cost the— value in it, what potentially it could cost the taxpayer and utter— could cost the taxpayer and under freedom _ could cost the taxpayer and under freedom of information hrahsmrssheh— under freedom of information transmission rules, if you like, the transmission rules, if you like, hhe heme— transmission rules, if you like, the home office— transmission rules, if you like, the home office has had to puhhhsh— the home office has had to puhhhsh hhah— the home office has had to publish that figure and what is hhtehtee— publish that figure and what is involved clear— publish that figure and what is involved clear clearly the uk has— involved clear clearly the uk has been— involved clear clearly the uk has been already— involved clear clearly the uk has been already sent quite a harge— has been already sent quite a harge humerh— has been already sent quite a large number of— has been already sent quite a large number of money, millions of large number of money, millions eh peuhes— large number of money, millions et peuhes he— large number of money, millions of pounds to rwanda, even though the of pounds to rwanda, even though hhe ssheme— of pounds to rwanda, even though hhe ssheme hs— of pounds to rwanda, even though the scheme is not— of pounds to rwanda, even though the scheme is not taken off and hhey— the scheme is not taken off and hhey whhh— the scheme is not taken off and they will continue _ the scheme is not taken off and they will continue to do so if hhe— they will continue to do so if hhe ssheme— they will continue to do so if the scheme clearly does get the go the scheme clearly does get the ge aheae. — the scheme clearly does get the ge ahead. as— the scheme clearly does get the ge ahead. as yeu— the scheme clearly does get the go ahead. as you say, it is semewhah— go ahead. as you say, it is somewhat wrangled in the court syshem — somewhat wrangled in the court syshem ah— somewhat wrangled in the court syshem ah hhe— somewhat wrangled in the court system at the moment. so presese,— system at the moment. so £169,000, that's what those hhherhah— £169,000, that's what those internal documents show it would sesh— internal documents show it would sesh hhe— internal documents show it would cost the taxpayer. _ internal documents show it would cost the taxpayer. now, the most sehhretershah— cost the taxpayer. now, the most controversial bit— cost the taxpayer. now, the most controversial bit of— cost the taxpayer. now, the most controversial bit of that, i mean, that's— controversial bit of that, i mean, that's a— controversial bit of that, i mean, that's a hell of a lot of to mean, that's a hell of a lot of he mehey— mean, that's a hell of a lot of he mehey heghh— mean, that's a hell of a lot of to money begin with is the very hash— to money begin with is the very hash hhah— to money begin with is the very hash hhah hh— to money begin with is the very fact that it is— to money begin with is the very fact that it is substantially hhgher— fact that it is substantially hhgher hhah— fact that it is substantially higher than if— fact that it is substantially higher than if those asylum seeehrs— higher than if those asylum seekers stayed— higher than if those asylum seekers stayed in the uk. in hash,— seekers stayed in the uk. in hash, hh— seekers stayed in the uk. in fact, it would— seekers stayed in the uk. in fact, it would cost £106,000 a year— fact, it would cost £106,000 a year he— fact, it would cost £106,000 a year he heuse— fact, it would cost £106,000 a year to house people here in the uk year to house people here in the uh as— year to house people here in the uh as hhey— year to house people here in the uh as hhey serh— year to house people here in the uk as they sort through the asyhum— uk as they sort through the asylum system— uk as they sort through the asylum system .— uk as they sort through the asylum system . so many people , asylum system. so many people, not asylum system. so many people, heh heash— asylum system. so many people, heh heash eh— asylum system. so many people, not least of all— asylum system. so many people, not least of all the— asylum system. so many people, not least of all the opposition, are not least of all the opposition, suggeshhhg— not least of all the opposition, are suggesting this policy does not

are suggesting this policy does heh mahe— are suggesting this policy does heh mahe aty— are suggesting this policy does not make any sense at all. in hash,— not make any sense at all. in hash, haheur— not make any sense at all. in fact, labour today— not make any sense at all. in fact, labour today have called it fact, labour today have called hh semewhah— fact, labour today have called it somewhat of— fact, labour today have called it somewhat of a— fact, labour today have called it somewhat of a joke and say hhah— it somewhat of a joke and say hhah hhe— it somewhat of a joke and say that the government is totally shuehess— that the government is totally clueless about— that the government is totally clueless about the ultimate prhh— clueless about the ultimate hhhh heh— clueless about the ultimate bill, not from _ clueless about the ultimate bill, not from the government's pehh— bill, not from the government's pehhh eh— bill, not from the government's pehhh eh thew— bill, not from the government's point of view. they— bill, not from the government's point of view. they turn around ahe— point of view. they turn around and say,— point of view. they turn around and say, hete— point of view. they turn around and say, hold on— point of view. they turn around and say, hold on a— point of view. they turn around and say, hold on a second. yes, it and say, hold on a second. yes, hh may— and say, hold on a second. yes, hh may wehh— and say, hold on a second. yes, it may well cost— and say, hold on a second. yes, it may well cost more money in the it may well cost more money in hhe sherh— it may well cost more money in hhe sherh herm— it may well cost more money in the short term if— it may well cost more money in the short term if this scheme gees— the short term if this scheme gees aheae. — the short term if this scheme goes ahead. but— the short term if this scheme goes ahead. but the whole point of goes ahead. but the whole point eh hhhs— goes ahead. but the whole point of this scheme _ goes ahead. but the whole point of this scheme .to _ goes ahead. but the whole point of this scheme to deter of this scheme is to deter peephe— of this scheme is to deter peephe hem — of this scheme is to deter people from coming here in the hrsh—se— people from coming here in the hrsh—se h— people from coming here in the first—so if you- first place. and so if you reused— first place. and so if you reduce numbers dramatically reduce the numbers dramatically . ashuahhy— reduce the numbers dramatically . ashuahhy hh— reduce the numbers dramatically , actually it will— reduce the numbers dramatically , actually it will in— reduce the numbers dramatically , actually it will in the end hhe— , actually it will in the end save the taxpayer money. the big gueshheh— save the taxpayer money. the big gueshheh hs— save the taxpayer money. the big question is, though, of course , question is, though, of course, a, whhh— question is, though, of course, a, whhh hhe— question is, though, of course, a, will the rwanda policy live reahhy— a, will the rwanda policy live reahhy hahe— a, will the rwanda policy live really take off— a, will the rwanda policy live really take off at— a, will the rwanda policy live really take off at any stage? hhe— really take off at any stage? the h,— really take off at any stage? the h, h— really take off at any stage? the h, h h— really take off at any stage? and b, if it does,— really take off at any stage? and b, if it does, will it act as a deterrent?— and b, if it does, will it act as a deterrent? i- and b, if it does, will it act as a deterrent? i mean, heghsahhy— as a deterrent? i mean, heghsahhy ,— as a deterrent? i mean, logically , you- as a deterrent? i mean, logically , you might well say it logically, you might well say it whhh— logically, you might well say it whhh huh— logically, you might well say it will, but there's— logically, you might well say it will, but there's actually the— will, but there's actually little evidence thus far that it weuhsh— little evidence thus far that it weuhe. se— little evidence thus far that it would. so it's— little evidence thus far that it would. so it's quite difficult for would. so it's quite difficult her hhe— would. so it's quite difficult for the home— would. so it's quite difficult for the home office all of this . hhe— for the home office all of this . and ultimately— for the home office all of this . and ultimately it's very ehhsuhh— . and ultimately it's very difficult for— . and ultimately it's very difficult for the prime minister hesause— difficult for the prime minister hesause he-s— difficult for the prime minister because he's made stopping the peas— because he's made stopping the heahs—hte— because he's made stopping the boats five pledges. boats one of his five pledges. hhe— boats one of his five pledges. hhe-hem — boats one of his five pledges. and from stopping the boats, and far from stopping the boats, the and far from stopping the boats, hhe-eh— and far from stopping the boats, the-of-arrivingl the numbers of people arriving hhhs— the numbers of people arriving hhhs mehhh— the numbers of people arriving this month higher than it was this month is higher than it was this month is higher than it was hhhs hrme— this month is higher than it was this time last— this month is higher than it was this time last year—

this month is higher than it was this time last year. niih this time last year. thank you, hatter— this time last year. thank you, darren. thank you so much, darren. thank you so much, darren mccaffrey. there down at westminster. our guests are here with us to go through some of the top stories of the day. senior political commentator at gb news nigel nelson and political commentator tanya buxton here. let's just back buxton are here. let's just back reference was reference to what darren was talking there, we talking about there, because we know thinks. yeah, talking about there, because we know thinks . yeah, well, know what he thinks. yeah, well, we know know what he thinks. yeah, well, we knew whah— know what he thinks. yeah, well, we know what - nelson - we know what nigel nelson hhhhhs.— we know what nigel nelson hhhhhslee— we know what nigel nelson thinks. do indeed. thinks. you do indeed. i think the thinks. you do indeed. i think hhe whate— thinks. you do indeed. i think the whole thing is a gimmick. it's gimmick that work. it's a gimmick that won't work. we'll see thursday whether we'll see on thursday whether the we'll see on thursday whether hhe—eh- we'll see on thursday whether hhe—eh whehi the flights ever take off when the flights ever take off when hhe-seuh— the flights ever take off when the-court decides- the flights ever take off when the court decides if they the appeal court decides if they if the appeal court decides if they h hhey— the appeal court decides if they h hhey sa— the appeal court decides if they ht hhey ee— the appeal court decides if they if they can do so.— the appeal court decides if they if they can do so. but i just heh-h— if they can do so. but i just heh-h see— if they can do so. but i just don't see how— if they can do so. but i just don't see how it— if they can do so. but i just don't see how it can work. and yeue— don't see how it can work. and ye geh— don't see how it can work. and you've got there's— don't see how it can work. and you've got there's a lot of contradictions— you've got there's a lot of contradictions thrown in there. suehha — contradictions thrown in there. suella braverman who goes over here— suella braverman who goes over hhere-eh— suella braverman who goes over hhere-eh hhe- suella braverman who goes over there-oh, the decor. there and says, oh, the decor hhere— there and says, oh, the decor hhere hs— there and says, oh, the decor hhere hs se— there and says, oh, the decor there is so wonderful. i'd like itinw— there is so wonderful. i'd like hhlmy heuse— there is so wonderful. i'd like it my house. well, if rwanda it in my house. well, if rwanda is it in my house. well, if rwanda hs se— it in my house. well, if rwanda hs se greah,— it in my house. well, if rwanda is so great, where— it in my house. well, if rwanda is so great, where is the eeherrehh— is so great, where is the deterrent value of actually sehehhg— deterrent value of actually sending people there? t sending people there? because hhey— sending people there? because hhey wehh— sending people there? because hhey wehh he— sending people there? because they won't be living here getting benefits and living getting our benefits and living in the land of obe, about 200 of them is not going to make an awful lot of difference at the moment. it's a deterrent. nigel well, but is it a deterrent?-

well, but is it a deterrent? i hhhhh— well, but is it a deterrent? i hhhhh-tery— well, but is it a deterrent? i think very expensive one. think it's a very expensive one. wru— think it's a very expensive one. whhh peephe— think it's a very expensive one. will people who— think it's a very expensive one. will people who are crossing the shame— will people who are crossing the channel-about- will people who are crossing the channel about this? channel know all about this? was. — channel know all about this? was. whye— channel know all about this? h/hihi why? because it will be. yes. why? because it will be. war.— yes. why? because it will be. tehh t— yes. why? because it will be. tehh t weuhu— yes. why? because it will be. well, i would leaflet them. i would get a plane over the where the migrants were going to find calais and leaflet. where would you calais and leaflet. where would yeu hhe— calais and leaflet. where would yeu the hem— calais and leaflet. where would you find them to— calais and leaflet. where would you find them to give— i: where would you find them to give them the heaheh. — you find them to give them the leaflet. well,— you find them to give them the leaflet. well, they're- you find them to give them the leaflet. �*hthhhicc ”hi: leaflet. well, they're all there. we know leaflet. �*hthhhicc ”hi: g�*hiihi we know where they leaflet. well, they're all- there. we know where they are. teth— there. we know where they are. tehh us— there. we know where they are. tehh ue yeu— there. we know where they are. well, do you think the calais camps. yeah. you know, i was eewh— camps. yeah. you know, i was eewh hh— camps. yeah. you know, i was eewh hh heteh— camps. yeah. you know, i was down in devon the— t yeah. you know, i was down in devon the other day and here— down in devon the other day and hhere was— down in devon the other day and hhere a— down in devon the other day and there was a friend— down in devon the other day and there was a friend of mine who is there was a friend of mine who hs ashuahhy— there was a friend of mine who is actually looking— there was a friend of mine who is actually looking after semeheey— is actually looking after somebody at— is actually looking after somebody at the who somebody at the moment who is a refugee,— somebody at the moment who is a refugee-arrhtee— somebody at the moment who is a refugee, arrived here. refugee, who's arrived here. i sah-h— refugee, who's arrived here. i sahh—whhsh- refugee, who's arrived here. i| can't-which country can't remember which country that from. and he said that he came from. and he said that he came from. and he said that he came from. and he said that he was telling my friend that he was telling my friend that friends were that him and his friends were all because they'd all in tears because they'd heard about the rwanda plan and they desperately crying they were desperately crying about they were about the fact that they were going boat, but going to get on the boat, but they they were going to they thought they were going to go to rwanda. and that, me, go to rwanda. and that, for me, that a hand that was like a first hand primary source that people who wanted here want wanted to come here don't want to to rwanda. so where would to go to rwanda. so where would hhey—heh— to go to rwanda. so where would hhey—hheh h— to go to rwanda. so where would they—then if they- to go to rwanda. so where would they—then if they werei they have gone then if they were in they have gone then if they were hh sahahse— they have gone then if they were in calais? they— they have gone then if they were in calais? they hear about this ahe— in calais? they hear about this and aesthe— in calais? they hear about this and decide not— in calais? they hear about this and decide not to— in calais? they hear about this and decide not to come here. where— and decide not to come here. where-heh- where do they then go? hresumahhy— where do they then go? presumably stay- where do they then go? presumably stay in-

where do they then go? presumably stay in france, stay in france. it's a safe country. yeah— in france. it's a safe country. yeah, it's a safe country conflict. a safe country. conflict. it's a safe country. but we got a returns but until we got a returns agreemehh— but until we got a returns agreement with them, can't agreement with them, we can't sehe— agreement with them, we can't sehe-hash— agreement with them, we can't send - back from - agreement with them, we can't send back from here. send people back from here. but hey— send people back from here. but hhey sah— send people back from here. but hhey shay— send people back from here. but hhey shay hh— send people back from here. tii i t well, they can stay in france. well, i'm sure that they can stay in france. well, i'm .sure that-french.l i'm not sure that the french. the— i'm not sure that the french. the hrehsh— i'm not sure that the french. the french want— i'm not sure that the french. the french want them any more hhah— the french want them any more hhah-he. — the french want them any more than-do. well,— the french want them any more than-do. well, but- the french want them any more than do. �*hthhhicc but than we do. well, but but. but heh-h— than we do. well, but but. but heh-h hhe— than we do. well, but but. but don't the laws— than we do. well, but but. but don't the laws of— than we do. �*hthhhicc but don't the laws of asylum mean hhey— don't the laws of asylum mean hhey-shay— don't the laws of asylum mean they- stay where - don't the laws of asylum mean they stay where they set they should stay where they set heh— they should stay where they set heeh hrshh — they should stay where they set foot first? well,— they should stay where they set foot first? well, i— they should stay where they set foot first? �*hthhhicc i �*7 foot first? well, i mean, if they're worried about their mortal know, mortal reality, you know, they're that they're so frightened that they're so frightened that they're of they're running out of their countries. and i don't countries. and i mean, i don't uheershahe— countries. and i mean, i don't understand why— countries. and i mean, i don't understand why they- ti. and i mean, i don't understand why they can't stay ti. and i mean, i don't unfrance.d why they can't stay ti. and i mean, i don't un france. thery they can't stay ti. and i mean, i don't unfrance. the problemin't stay ti. and i mean, i don't unfrance. the problem ist stay ti. and i mean, i don't unfrance. the problem is that! in france. the problem is that hhe— in france. the problem is that hhe humah— in france. the problem is that the human rights— in france. the problem is that the human rights lawyers. yeah, you the human rights lawyers. yeah, yeu-hhey-re— the human rights lawyers. yeah, you they're getting you know, they're getting phenomenal— you know, they're getting phenomenal of you know, they're getting- phenomenal-of money. phenomenal amounts of money. it's phenomenal amounts of money. th-s-mehey.— phenomenal amounts of money. th-s-mehey. hegah- phenomenal amounts of money. it's money. legal aid, it's legal aid money. legal aid, hegah—t- it's legal aid money. legal aid, hegah—t reahhy- legal aid. tonya so i really hhhhh— legal aid. tonya so i really hhhhh-hhah— legal aid. tonya so i really think that should think that that should be hhghhehee— think that that should be tightened you can't tightened up, that you can't hush—he- tightened up, that you can't rush—he shayl tightened up, that you can't rush—he shay hi just get legal aid to stay in hhhs— just get legal aid to stay in hhhs seuhhry— just get legal aid to stay in this country on— just get legal aid to stay in this country on a whim, which is whah— this country on a whim, which is whah hh— this country on a whim, which is whah hh heehs— this country on a whim, which is what it looks like— this country on a whim, which is what it looks like a— this country on a whim, which is what it looks like a lot of the hhme. — what it looks like a lot of the hhme. heu— what it looks like a lot of the time. you know,— what it looks like a lot of the time. you know, we rwanda is it weuhehh— time. you know, we rwanda is it weuheh-h he— time. you know, we rwanda is it wouldn't be the— time. you know, we rwanda is it wouldn't be the first thing that rumpee— wouldn't be the first thing that rumpee he— wouldn't be the first thing that rumpee he my— wouldn't be the first thing that jumped to my mind if i was hhhhhhhg— jumped to my mind if i was hhhhhhhg eh— jumped to my mind if i was thinking of how— jumped to my mind if i was thinking of how to get rid of hhe— thinking of how to get rid of the immigrants.— thinking of how to get rid of the immigrants. definitely am the immigrants. i definitely am ehe-eh— the immigrants. i definitely am ehe-eh gehhhhg- the immigrants. i definitely am one -of getting-of. one for kind of getting one of hhese— one for kind of getting one of hhese-shhps— one for kind of getting one of these ships, putting these cruise ships, putting it way— these cruise ships, putting it wayeu-r— these cruise ships, putting it way-our waters- these cruise ships, putting it way our waters and way out of our waters and puhhhhg— way out of our waters and putting everyone on there and hen— putting everyone on there and hen hahhhg—

putting everyone on there and then taking them away from here. — then taking them away from here. huh— then taking them away from there. but as— then taking them away from there. but as this inaction, there. but as this is inaction, i there. but as this is inaction, t—greah- there. but as this is inaction, i_great deterrenti i think it's a great deterrent ahe— i think it's a great deterrent ahe-he— i think it's a great deterrent and-to stick- i think it's a great deterrent and-to stick to- i think it's a great deterrent and to stick to it. we and we have to stick to it. we hate— and we have to stick to it. we hatelshhsh— and we have to stick to it. we have i stick to _ and we have to stick to it. we have i stick to .we've i and we have to stick to it. we have stick to wbifi: ghi have to stick to it. we've got to something. nigel have to stick to it. wbifi: ghi g nigel well, to try something. nigel well, i agree— to try something. nigel well, i agree whhh— to try something. nigel well, i agree with that. _ to try something. nigel well, i agree with that. but- to try something. nigel well, i agree with that. but i- cg g nigel well, i agree with that. i to try something. nigel well, i agree with that. but i mean, why don't we try something that actually works so you don't know if work? well, if it's going to work? well, well, no, in fairness,- �*7 c ghi g 7 well, well, no, in fairness, that's hue.— well, no, in fairness, that's hrue. uhhhh— well, no, in fairness, that's true. until we— well, no, in fairness, that's true. until we actually see see hhe—happehhhgl true. until we actually see seei the—happening. but the things start happening. but yure— the things start happening. but yeu-re-hahhhhg— the things start happening. but you're talking about you're only talking about a shahse — you're only talking about a shahse huh— you're only talking about a chance. but way, you're chance. but either way, you're ehhy— chance. but either way, you're ehhy-aheuh— chance. but either way, you're only-about 200- chance. but either way, you're only about 200 people at only talking about 200 people at the only talking about 200 people at hhe—hhe- only talking about 200 people at the—the originali the moment. that's the original eeah—whhh- the moment. that's the original. deal—with rwanda. deal we've got with with rwanda. so deal we've got with with rwanda. se hh-s— deal we've got with with rwanda. se hh-s heh— deal we've got with with rwanda. se hh-s heh gehhg— deal we've got with with rwanda. so it's not going to— so it's not going to make a huge,— so it's not going to make a huge, huge— so it's not going to make a huge, huge difference to the hgures— huge, huge difference to the hgures-he— huge, huge difference to thei figures.-be-when figures. it'll be totemic when hhah—hates- figures. it'll be totemic when that_takes.for| that first flight takes off for rwanda.— that first flight takes off for rwanda. well,— that first flight takes off for rwanda. well, it will certainly be rwanda. well, it will certainly he-huh— rwanda. well, it will certainly he-huh mere— rwanda. well, it will certainly be but more importantly be that, but more importantly is to be that, but more importantly is helahe— be that, but more importantly is to.and-returns- to try and get returns agreements- to try and get returns agreements and to try and get returns- agreements-and change to try and get returns— agreements-and change the agreements to try and change the asyhum— agreements to try and change the asyhum-se— agreements to try and change the asyhum-se peephe- agreements to try and change the asylum so people can asylum system so people can apply— asylum system so people can apphy ter— asylum system so people can apphy her-weh- asylum system so people can aihihly for-nqt in- asylum system so people can apply for not in this apply for asylum. not in this seuhhry— apply for asylum. not in this cohwy-apply- country. they can apply elsewhere. _ country. they can apply. elsewhere. - also country. they can apply elsewhere. -also have elsewhere. and also also to have preper— elsewhere. and also also to have proper settlement— elsewhere. and also also to have proper settlement schemes that ashuahhy— proper settlement schemes that ashuahhy-hh— proper settlement schemes that actually at moment we actually work. at the moment we heh-h—se- actually work. at the moment wei heh-h—se hhah don't have those schemes so that weuhe— don't have those schemes so that weuhe ashuahhy— don't have those schemes so that would actually people from would actually deter people from sresshhg—mush- would actually deter people from crossing much more crossing the channel much more hhah— crossing the channel much more hhah hhe— crossing the channel much more hhah hhe rhsh— crossing the channel much more than the risk that— crossing the channel much more than the risk that going to this weheerhuh— than the risk that going to this wonderful—in- than the risk that going to this. wonderful—in rwanda wonderful decor place in rwanda . tsu— wonderful decor place in rwanda . tehh .— wonderful decor place in rwanda . tehh . shay.— wonderful decor place in rwanda . well , okay, it's— wonderful decor place in rwanda . well , okay, it's going- wonderful decor place in rwanda . well, okay, it's going to roll. we're not going to you're not going to solve this one, are

we? that's he's going to roll. tanya, this is an initiative dnven tanya, this is an initiative driven by conservative mp miriam cates, friend of the show. good morning, miriam. if you're watching education watching sex education plans, material to be made should be made visible to parents who want to see them. what's shocking is at the moment, they aren't. thatis at the moment, they aren't. that is that is what is most sheshhhg. — that is that is what is most shocking. you— that is that is what is most shocking. you know, the parents aeh— shocking. you know, the parents aren't aware of— shocking. you know, the parents aren't aware of what their shhhereh— aren't aware of what their children are— aren't aware of what their children are being taught. we heh-h— children are being taught. we heh-h-hh— children are being taught. we heh-h-hh peep— children are being taught. we don't in deep state. we are don't live in deep state. we are heh— don't live in deep state. we are heh a— don't live in deep state. we are not a communist— don't live in deep state. we are not a communist country. we are a—shhherehl a democracy. and our children are-responsibility.- a democracy. and our children are responsibility. i am the are our responsibility. i am the perse— are our responsibility. i am the perseh hhah— are our responsibility. i am the person that responsible for person that is responsible for my_i_ person that is responsible for my—t heee- person that is responsible for my—t heee he- person that is responsible for. my_| need to know my children, so i need to know whah— my children, so i need to know whah hhey-re— my children, so i need to know what they're being and what they're being educated. and if what they're being educated. and h-whhh— what they're being educated. and h-whhh hhah— if i disagree with that education,— if i disagree with that education, i- if i disagree with that education, i should have a say in education, i should have a say hh h.— education, i should have a say hh h. t— education, i should have a say in it. i should.— education, i should have a say in it. i should. it— education, i should have a say in it. i should. it shouldn't hush— in it. i should. it shouldn't rushlhheeeh— in it. i should. it shouldn't just hidden from me. why do just be hidden from me. why do you just be hidden from me. why do yeu—hrush— just be hidden from me. why do yeu—hrush hhe- you and do you trust the teachers? _ you and do you trust the teachers? t : i c you and do you trust the- teachers? because i wouldn't if i was a parent. well, the thing is, i was a parent. well, the thing hs hs— i was a parent. well, the thing hs hs hte— i was a parent. well, the thing hs hs the hat— i was a parent. well, the thing is, is i've had some— i was a parent. well, the thing is, is i've had some run- itiiin well, the thing is, is i've had some run ins whhh— is, is i've had some run ins whhh my— is, is i've had some run ins whhh my sehs— is, is i've had some run ins with my sons now leaving that ssheeh — with my sons now leaving that ssheeh lt-m— with my sons now leaving that school..|'m happy- with my sons now leaving that school. i'm happy to say it school. so i'm happy to say it whhh— school. so i'm happy to say it whhh hhe— school. so i'm happy to say it with the school.— school. so i'm happy to say it with the school. i've had to reahhy— with the school. i've had to reahhy-hh— with the school. i've had to really-in really- with the school. i've had to- really-in really-and, really come in really heavy and, you— really come in really heavy and, you-i— really come in really heavy and, yeu-t-hhe— really come in really heavy and, you-i-the-that. you know, i use the fact that hm —eahghel you know, i use the fact that t-m—eahghe hh| i'm a journalist. i dangle it hhem— i'm a journalist. i dangle it over them saying, if you sehhhhue— over them saying, if you continue this,- over them saying, if you continue this, this will make a very— continue this, this will make a very interesting— continue this, this will make a very interesting story for my

shahheh— very interesting story for my shahheh-tery- very interesting story for my channel. very interesting very interesting story for my chanrfor very interesting very interesting story for my chanrfor the very interesting very interesting story for my chanrfor the newspapers eresting very interesting story for my chanrfor the newspapers erwork] story for the newspapers i work whhh. — story for the newspapers i work whhh. hha— story for the newspapers i work with. and this— story for the newspapers i work with. and this is— story for the newspapers i work with. : t with. and this is because you feel they've stepped over that line, stepped over that line of parents and teacher. can i just take story parents and teacher. can i just take - story. little - parents and teacher. can i just take .storyllittle bit- take this story a little bit hurhherh— take this story a little bit further? so _ take this story a little bit further? so i— take this story a little bit further? so i-i- take this story a little bit further? so i i think take this story a little bit- further? so i-i think what further? so i mean, i think what whrham— further? so i mean, i think what whrham hs— further? so i mean, i think what miriam is doing— further? so i mean, i think what miriam is doing is— further? so i mean, i think what miriam is doing is absolutely amazhhg— miriam is doing is absolutely. amazhhg—huh amazing and i applaud her. but ahse— amazing and i applaud her. but ahse-hhere— amazing and i applaud her. but also-there was— amazing and i applaud her. but also there was there also now there was there was a hehher— also now there was there was a letter written _ also now there was there was a letter written to _ also now there was there was a letter written to gillian heegah— letter written to gillian teegah eur— letter written to gillian keegan, our education secretary by keegan, our education secretary hy—sahel by 214 year old girls who said hhah— by 214 year old girls who said hhah hhey— by 214 year old girls who said hhah hhey are— by 214 year old girls who said that they are fried, tend to speak— that they are fried, tend to speak up— that they are fried, tend to speak up hh— that they are fried, tend to speak up in class and say there are-hwe— speak up in class and say there are-hwe sees— speak up in class and say there are-two sexes. so- speak up in class and say there are two sexes. so that's are only two sexes. so that's hhe— are only two sexes. so that's the situation _ are only two sexes. so that's the situation we're in you the situation we're in now. you thew,— the situation we're in now. you| know,_are teaching know, the schools are teaching semehhhhg— know, the schools are teaching something—which. something as dogma, which is seme-hahhasy.- something as dogma, which is some fantasy. and kids are some weird fantasy. and kids are ahahe— some weird fantasy. and kids are ahahe he— some weird fantasy. and kids are afraid to actually— some weird fantasy. and kids are afraid to actually speak up. i thew— afraid to actually speak up. i knew hhah— afraid to actually speak up. i know that one— afraid to actually speak up. i know that one of— afraid to actually speak up. i know that one of my sons was sayhhg— know that one of my sons was sayhhg hhah,— know that one of my sons was sayhhg hhah. yeu— know that one of my sons was saying that, you know, when they shah— saying that, you know, when they sharh hathhg — saying that, you know, when they start having these— saying that, you know, when they start having these conversations aheuh— start having these conversations aheuh geheer— start having these conversations about gender and— start having these conversations about gender and stuff, he pops in about gender and stuff, he pops thearpees— about gender and stuff, he pops in-earpods and— about gender and stuff, he pops in earpods and just zones in his earpods and just zones euh— in his earpods and just zones euhleeesh-h— in his earpods and just zones out..doesn't want- in his earpods and just zones out. doesn't want to get into out. he doesn't want to get into a confrontation with the heashers. — a confrontation with the teachers. - not - a confrontation with the teachers. not role a confrontation with the- teachers. - not. role to teachers. it's not his role to argue— teachers. it's not his role to argue aheuh.— teachers. it's not his role to argue about. he— teachers. it's not his role to argue about. he doesn't want to, but argue about. he doesn't want to, huh he— argue about. he doesn't want to, huh he hhhhs— argue about. he doesn't want to, but he thinks it's— argue about. he doesn't want to, but he thinks it's absolute ruhhhsh. — but he thinks it's absolute rubbish. -of- but he thinks it's absolute rubbish. ti. but he thinks it's absolute- rubbish. -of course we've rubbish. and of course we've just the row about the pupil just had the row about the pupil being at by the teacher being shouted at by the teacher over her refusal to accept one of her little girl colleagues was cat. yes. and the teacher was a cat. yes. and the teacher sahhee—

was a cat. yes. and the teacher called—despicable. i was a cat. yes. and the teacher called—despicable. j called the student despicable. she— huh— called the student despicable. she- but-thosel she did. isn't but those those shueehhs— she did. isn't but those those students were— : : c but those those students were actually fighting hash—hherehl students were actually fighting back,_there? i,| back, though, weren't there? i, i back, though, weren't there? i, t-hhah— back, though, weren't there? i, t-hhah-was- i thought that what was hmpresshte— i thought that what was impressive that i thought that what was impressive -that that impressive about that was that hhey— impressive about that was that hhey reahhy— impressive about that was that hhey reahhy she— impressive about that was that they really did want to have a eehahe— they really did want to have a eehahe eh— they really did want to have a eehahe at th— they really did want to have a debate on it. and— they really did want to have a debate on it. and i agree. harehhs— debate on it. and i agree. parents-know- debate on it. and i agree. parents know what debate on it. and i agree.- parents-know what their parents should know what their shhereh— children are being taught. i heh-h— children are being taught. i heh-h-hhey— children are being taught. i don't they should children are being taught. i don't-they should a don't think they should have a vehe— don't think they should have a tehe-huh— don't think they should have a veto-but certainly- don't think they should have a veto but certainly they veto over it, but certainly they sheuhe — veto over it, but certainly they sheuhe he — veto over it, but certainly they should be informed about is should be informed about what is going— should be informed about what is gemg-ohtheushy— should be informed about what is going obviously because we going on. obviously because we hahh— going on. obviously because we talk-transgender- going on. obviously because we talk transgender issues so talk about transgender issues so mush— talk about transgender issues so mush hh-s— talk about transgender issues so much, it's bound— talk about transgender issues so much, it's bound to actually hhe— much, it's bound to actually come into the— much, it's bound to actually come into the classroom . and i come into the classroom. and i hhhhh— come into the classroom. and i think teachers— come into the classroom. and i think teachers do _ come into the classroom. and i think teachers do need to have a peshhheh— think teachers do need to have a peshhheh eh— think teachers do need to have a position on position— think teachers do need to have a position on position on that , position on position on that, whhsh— position on position on that, whhsh hs— position on position on that, which is what— position on position on that, which is what this government guheahse— which is what this government guheahse hhah— which is what this government guidance that that is coming is semhhg— guidance that that is coming is semmg up— guidance that that is coming is semmg up hhhs— guidance that that is coming is coming up this summer. at at pehh— coming up this summer. at at some point should actually do so. some point should actually do hhe— some point should actually do so. the argument— some point should actually do so. the argument with- some point should actually do so. i�*cic. some point should actually do so. the argument with the people who provide the educational literature is that they can't make it public because it's copyrighted effectively. if copyrighted effectively. and if it and it was all it was public and it was all over then people over the internet, then people could material . and could steal their material. and similarly , these are lesson similarly, these are lesson plans that they've come up with that's the argument. of course it's rubbish having— that's the argument. of course it's rubbish having been- ig. of course it's rubbish having been a heasher,— it's rubbish having been a teacher, that's— it's rubbish having been a teacher, that's just rubbish. huh— teacher, that's just rubbish. huh-aheuh.— teacher, that's just rubbish. but-about. okay,- teacher, that's just rubbish. . but-about. okay,-let but what about. okay, well, let me this way. what about me put it this way. what about if got a very religious if you've got a very religious school who don't want to teach

that duality okay and that homosex duality is okay and they don't want you they say, i don't want you telling children telling my children that homosexuality okay because homosexuality is okay because that on the that that will be on the curriculum that be partly curriculum that will be partly on agenda section 28 then on the agenda section 28 then that thank we that makes. yeah, thank you. we hate— that makes. yeah, thank you. we have a— that makes. yeah, thank you. we have a seshheh— that makes. yeah, thank you. we have a section-for— that makes. yeah, thank you. we have a section-for that.- yeah, thank you. we have a section for that. so have a section 28 for that. so hhah-s— have a section 28 for that. so that's already— have a section 28 for that. so that's already in— have a section 28 for that. so that's already in law. it's all hegah— that's already in law. it's all hegah ahe— that's already in law. it's all hegah ahe-yeu- that's already in law. it's all legal and you know, and legal and it's, you know, and you— legal and it's, you know, and you-you— legal and it's, you know, and yeu-yeu hate- legal and it's, you know, and you-you have just. you know, if you have just a meehsum— you know, if you have just a modicum common sense, can we modicum of common sense, can we just modicum of common sense, can we rush-hash— modicum of common sense, can we just-backlthinking- modicum of common sense, can we just back thinking like just come back to thinking like ermah— just come back to thinking like hermah peephe— just come back to thinking like normal people instead of these heahhsh— normal people instead of these freakish thinking— normal people instead of these freakish thinking there are men, hhere— freakish thinking there are men, hhere are— freakish thinking there are men, there are women,— freakish thinking there are men, there are women, there are women hhah— there are women, there are women hhah are— there are women, there are women that are attracted— there are women, there are women that are attracted to— there are women, there are women that are attracted to women. there— that are attracted to women. there are— that are attracted to women. there are men— that are attracted to women. there are men that are attracted to there are men that are attracted he me— there are men that are attracted he hhe— there are men that are attracted to men. and that— there are men that are attracted to men. and that is— there are men that are attracted to men. and that is a fact. you thew,— to men. and that is a fact. you knew hh-s— to men. and that is a fact. you knew hh-s heh— to men. and that is a fact. you know, it's not a— to men. and that is a fact. you know, it's not a magical thing. were— know, it's not a magical thing. heh heh— know, it's not a magical thing. we're not magically saying that yue— we're not magically saying that yeue shahghhg— we're not magically saying that you're changing who you are born as-t-ush— you're changing who you are born as-t-ush hahhhhg— you're changing who you are born as just talking about who as you're just talking about who where—preference. as you're just talking about who where preference is where your sexual preference is . hhe— where your sexual preference is . hhe hhah-s— where your sexual preference is .and has a— where your sexual preference is . and that's a big— where your sexual preference is . and that's a big difference to sayhhg— . and that's a big difference to sayhhglt-m— . and that's a big difference to sayhhglt-m-heeh- . and that's a big difference to saying i i'm -look at. . and that's a big difference to saying i'm look at me, saying, i'm a man, look at me, hm— saying, i'm a man, look at me, hm a— saying, i'm a man, look at me, hm a th-s— saying, i'm a man, look at me, i'm a man. it's not— saying, i'm a man, look at me, i'm a man. it's not going to werh— i'm a man. it's not going to werh hhah— i'm a man. it's not going to work that-does- i'm a man. it's not going to work that does does come work that way. does does come hash— work that way. does does come hashlsemmeh— work that way. does does come back common sense. and can back to common sense. and i can i back to common sense. and i can thush— back to common sense. and i can trush hrshhy— back to common sense. and i can t rush hrshhy say— back to common sense. and i can i just firstly say that— back to common sense. and i can i just firstly say that i have i grew— i just firstly say that i have i grew up— i just firstly say that i have i grew up whhh— i just firstly say that i have i grew up whhh a— i just firstly say that i have i grew up with a transgender woman who grew up with a transgender woman whe was— grew up with a transgender woman who was fantastic— grew up with a transgender woman who was fantastic and i saw what she wehh— who was fantastic and i saw what she went through— who was fantastic and i saw what she went through in the 80s. i her— she went through in the 80s. i saw her struggle— she went through in the 80s. i saw her struggle and what she suffered—

saw her struggle and what she suffered he— saw her struggle and what she suffered to go— saw her struggle and what she suffered to go through. no suffered to go through. she's no hehger— suffered to go through. she's no hehger areute— suffered to go through. she's no longer around ,— suffered to go through. she's no longer around , sadly, but i know longer around, sadly, but i know her ahe— longer around, sadly, but i know her and-would— longer around, sadly, but i know her and-would be- longer around, sadly, but i know her and would be devastated her and she would be devastated by .conversation _ her and she would be devastated by-conversation .— her and she would be devastated by conversation . she would by this conversation. she would be_by_ by this conversation. she would he—hylhesausei by this conversation. she wouldi be_by.because she be devastated by it because she reahhy— be devastated by it because she really suffered _ be devastated by it because she really suffered to— be devastated by it because she really suffered to get to where she — really suffered to get to where she was. this— really suffered to get to where she was. this flippancy, this the— she was. this flippancy, this hhe—yes- she was. this flippancy, this hhe—yes hh-sl she was. this flippancy, thisi kind—yes, it's just kind of like, oh, yes, it's just genders.— kind of like, oh, yes, it's just genders. don't— kind of like, oh, yes, it's just genders. don't worry about it. th-s— genders. don't worry about it. th-s-th-s— genders. don't worry about it. th-s-th-s-a- genders. don't worry about it. th-s-th-s-a hhg- it's nothing. it's not a big eeah — it's nothing. it's not a big eeah hs— it's nothing. it's not a big deal. it's wrong. / it's nothing. it's not a big deal. it's wrong. yeah. how deal. it's wrong. yeah. and how many genders we up to now? many genders are we up to now? is it 88. 300 and something hsh-h— is it 88. 300 and something hsh-h hh— is it 88. 300 and something hsh-h hh. — is it 88. 300 and something hsh-h hh. ts— is it 88. 300 and something isn't it. is it— is it 88. 300 and something isn't it. is it 300- is it 88. 300 and something isn't it. is it 300 and- isn't it. is it 300 and something. nigel, let's let's move on. we've— g nigel, let's let's move on. we've been something. nigel, let's let's- move on. we've been-been move on. we've been we've been at move on. we've been we've been ah hhe— move on. we've been we've been at the manchester— move on. we've been we've been at the manchester house festival this at the manchester house festival hhhs merhhhg— at the manchester house festival hhhs merhhhg ah— at the manchester house festival this morning at the— at the manchester house festival this morning at the housing heshhtah— this morning at the housing festival—thej festival hall and this is the shery— festival hall and this is the shery, eh— festival hall and this is the story, of course,— festival hall and this is the story, of course, about mortgage seshs—hhhsl costs are rising. i mean, this is costs are rising. i mean, this hs eye—waherhhg— costs are rising. i mean, this is eye—watering for most people . hhese— is eye—watering for most people . these figures— is eye—watering for most people . these figures-life- . these figures are life shahghhg— . these figures are life shahghhg . - . these figures are life changing . g ”hilt? . these figures are life changing . �*7 g. ”his tsiii changing. the figures are terrifying. yeah, i mean, hreahhy— terrifying. yeah, i mean, broadly, what— terrifying. yeah, i mean, broadly, what the- it g yeah, i mean, broadly, what the figures are sayhhg— broadly, what the figures are sayhhg-hhah- broadly, what the figures are saying that you'll be saying saying is that you'll be if saying saying is that you'll be h yeu— saying saying is that you'll be ht yeu ere— saying saying is that you'll be ht yeu he— saying saying is that you'll be if you were to take a fixed rate merhgage— if you were to take a fixed rate merhgage euh— if you were to take a fixed rate mortgage out now, you'll be paying— mortgage out now, you'll be payhhg sshee— mortgage out now, you'll be paying 23,000 more in interest hhah— paying 23,000 more in interest hhah yeu— paying 23,000 more in interest than you would— paying 23,000 more in interest than you would have done if yeue— than you would have done if we eete— than you would have done if you'd done the— than you would have done if you'd done the same thing in hers,— you'd done the same thing in 2018,which_ you'd done the same thing in 2018, which is— you'd done the same thing in 2018, which is a— you'd done the same thing in 2018, which is a phenomenal ameuhh — 2018, which is a phenomenal amount. that's— 2018, which is a phenomenal amount. �*7 amount. that's over five years. that's over five _ amount. that's over five years. that's over five years,— amount. that's over five years. that's over five years, say- that's over five years, say a hte— that's over five years, say a hhe-thee— that's over five years, say a five .fixed rate. - that's over five years, say a five-fixed rate. i- that's over five years, say a five fixed rate. i mean , five year fixed rate. i mean, hhe— five year fixed rate. i mean, hhe ssue— five year fixed rate. i mean, hhe ah— five year fixed rate. i mean, the issue at the— five year fixed rate. i mean, the issue at the moment is how do the issue at the moment is how he yeu— the issue at the moment is how he yeu geh— the issue at the moment is how do you get inflation down

whhheuh— do you get inflation down without putting interest rates up, without putting interest rates .p, whhsh— without putting interest rates up. whhsh has— without putting interest rates up, which has the knock on ehesh— up, which has the knock on ehesh eh— up, which has the knock on effect on mortgages. and it's hhhereshhhg,— effect on mortgages. and it's interesting, nigel, that labour ehtheushy— obviously criticised the government - obviously criticised the government of government about the cost of hhthhg— government about the cost of hhthhg-hhey-re- government about the cost of living -they're not i living crisis, but they're not srhhhshshhg— living crisis, but they're not criticising the _ living crisis, but they're not criticising the interest rates going— criticising the interest rates gehhg-hesausel criticising the interest rates going-because ii criticising the interest rates- going-because i don't going up. no, because i don't think at the moment think because at the moment there's alternative. imean there's no alternative. i mean if you're there's no alternative. i mean ht yeue gehhg— there's no alternative. i mean if you're going-control- if you're going to control hhhahheh— if you're going to control inflation, accept inflation, if, if you accept hhah— inflation, if, if you accept that inflation— inflation, if, if you accept that inflation is the one thing hhah— that inflation is the one thing hhah heees— that inflation is the one thing that needs-dealt- that inflation is the one thing that needs dealt with and that needs to be dealt with and hreughh— that needs to be dealt with and hreughh hewh— that needs to be dealt with and brought down, the— that needs to be dealt with and brought down, the only way you can brought down, the only way you ee— brought down, the only way you he hhah— brought down, the only way you can do that is— brought down, the only way you can do that is with— brought down, the only way you can do that is with interest rahes— can do that is with interest rahes er— can do that is with interest rahes er yeu— can do that is with interest rates or you do— can do that is with interest rates or you do other unpopular hhhhgs— rates or you do other unpopular hhhhgs he— rates or you do other unpopular hhhhgs he hahe— rates or you do other unpopular things to take money out of the esy— things to take money out of the economy-rises. - things to take money out of the economy-rises. and. things to take money out of the. economy-rises. and you economy like tax rises. and you hate— economy like tax rises. and you hate yeu— economy like tax rises. and you take you take the green taxes out of people's bills out of people's energy bills that would put money in people's pockets cut inflation pockets and cut inflation dramatically. but want dramatically. but we don't want to dramatically. but we don't want he—peephe- dramatically. but we don't want he—peephe mere- to actually give people more mey — to actually give people more money. - inflation i money. otherwise inflation keeps going— money. otherwise inflation keeps gehhg-huh— money. otherwise inflation keeps gehhg-huh hhah-s— money. otherwise inflation keeps going-but that's the- money. otherwise inflation keeps going up. but that's the case, though. it's not spending inflation. because inflation. it's not because we're of that we're suddenly got loads of that would enable us to their would enable us to pay their mortgage. yes, exactly. it's not the oh, look, the kind of thing oh, look, we're shopping so much we're all shopping so much because we've got so much money. that's not the case. we are in this situation because of what happened i'll happened during lockdown. i'll say in say it again. we are in the situation because what situation because of what happened lockdown. we happened during lockdown. we gave away much money to

gave away too much money to peephe— gave away too much money to peephe-were— gave away too much money to peephe-were he- gave away too much money to people were to make people people that were to make people shay— people that were to make people shay-heh— people that were to make people shay-heh he — people that were to make people stay - not to work- people that were to make people stay-not to work all. stay at home, not to work all the— stay at home, not to work all the faulty— stay at home, not to work all the faulty schemes. " the faulty schemes. i mean, my husband's construction the faulty schemes. i mean, my husban knows construction the faulty schemes. i mean, my husban knows of construction the faulty schemes. i mean, my husban knows of businessesn the faulty schemes. i mean, my husban knows of businesses that and he knows of businesses that formed just to get the grant. and then have left the country. so furlough so billions from furlough missing— so billions from furlough missing-beenl so billions from furlough- missing-been restored missing and never been restored to missing and never been restored t0_pays_ missing and never been restored to—pays au- missing and never been restored to—pays an the. to the taxpayer pays all the mistakes— to the taxpayer pays all the- mistakes—that's mistakes that were made. that's why— mistakes that were made. that's why-in— mistakes that were made. that's why-in this— mistakes that were made. that's why in this situation. so why we're in this situation. so it's not a spending situation. so the government does need to step and cut all the other step in and cut all the other expenses that we're getting in our lives. but they don't want to it's making partly to because it's making partly true, totally true. i true, but not totally true. i mean, there are other factors true, but not totally true. i- mean, there are other factors as wen.— mean, there are other factors as wen-wean,— mean, there are other factors as wen-lmeanlwar- mean, there are other factors as well.imean,-war in- well. i mean, the war in ukraine,— well. i mean, the war in ukraine, quite- well. i mean, the war in ukraine, quite clearly. and as far- lockdown - far as the lockdown bit of com,— far as the lockdown bit of covm, covm _ far as the lockdown bit of covid, covid disrupting, disrupting— covid, covid disrupting, disrupting supply chains has put costs—we— disrupting supply chains has put costs _we-before| costs up. right. we see before we covid inquiry we start our own covid inquiry thatis we start our own covid inquiry that is going on at the moment, we've got to move on in the next few going to few moments, we're going to be speaking butcher. he speaking to roland butcher. he was first black was one of the first black cricketers to play for england. we're going to be talking about this report racism in this new report into racism in the english cricket world. more to the next to come on that in the next hour. good morning. i'm alex beak...— hour. good morning. i'm alex beam-is— hour. good morning. i'm alex deakin-is your- ” good morning. i'm alex deakin is your latest deakin and this is your latest weather— deakin and this is your latest weather update— deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met

office— weather update from the met office-ea— weather update from the met office . gb news. - weather update from the met office gb news. a bright office for gb news. a bright start— office for gb news. a bright start-out- office for gb news. a bright start-out there- office for gb news. a bright start out there this start for some out there this morning,— start for some out there this morning, generally morning, but generally quite a cloudy—pend morning, but generally quite ai cloudy—pans of cloudy day. rain across parts of the-much— cloudy day. rain across parts of the-much of— cloudy day. rain across parts of the-much of the- cloudy day. rain across parts of the much of the south the north. much of the south wm— the north. much of the south will stay— the north. much of the south wttt stay try— the north. much of the south will stay dry thanks to this ot— will stay dry thanks to this tt ttgt— will stay dry thanks to this area of high pressure, but it's tetng— area of high pressure, but it's. tetng—to being squeezed away thanks to this being squeezed away thanks to ttte tree— being squeezed away thanks to ttte et— being squeezed away thanks to this area of low— being squeezed away thanks to this area of low pressure that's etteety— this area of low pressure that's already-outbreaks- already bringing outbreaks of rate— already bringing outbreaks of rain-northern- already bringing outbreaks of. rain-northern-and rain across northern ireland and southwest— rain across northern ireland and southwest-and- rain across northern ireland and southwest and will southwest scotland and will eenttnue—weyl continue to trickle its way eeetwette— continue to trickle its wayi eastwards—day. continue to trickle its way- eastwards_day. so eastwards through the day. so tumtne— eastwards through the day. so emme—parte- eastwards through the day. so. turning—partsiwales turning damp over parts of wales and turning damp over parts of wales ant-engend— turning damp over parts of wales ant-teetent et- turning damp over parts of wales and-england at the- and northern england at the moment.— and northern england at the mmem me— and northern england at the moment. the will be on and moment. the rain will be on and off moment. the rain will be on and ett-tmeuem— moment. the rain will be on and off-through the— moment. the rain will be on and off through the day. the off here through the day. the mm— off here through the day. the wttt— off here through the day. the rain will spread— off here through the day. the rain will spread into north eeeetm— rain will spread into north eastern eventually eastern scotland eventually ettet— eastern scotland eventually after brightness eastern scotland eventually- after_brightness and after some early brightness and after some early brightness and e—te— after some early brightness and e—te tte— after some early brightness and a_to the-acrossi a bright start to the day across teet— a bright start to the day across test—me— a bright start to the day across. east—the south—east. east anglia and the south—east. but east anglia and the south—east. eutlwttt— east anglia and the south—east. butlwill cloud— east anglia and the south—east. butlwill cloud over- east anglia and the south—east. but will cloud over as but it will cloud over here as weltmeuem— but it will cloud over here as we.through the- but it will cloud over here as we through the day. much of we go through the day. much of the south— we go through the day. much of the south et— we go through the day. much of the south of england will stay dry,— the south of england will stay etm-stemme— the south of england will stay dry, staying fairly dry, but staying fairly damp across scotland, the across southern scotland, the tem— across southern scotland, the met— across southern scotland, the may ease— across southern scotland, the may a— across southern scotland, the rain may ease a touch in tettaet— rain may ease a touch in belfast, allowing temperatures to belfast, allowing temperatures te—eemetattyl to rise to 21 celsius. generally in to rise to 21 celsius. generally m the— to rise to 21 celsius. generally m the high— to rise to 21 celsius. generally in the high teens— to rise to 21 celsius. generally in the high teens where it's tatt— in the high teens where it's tatt amt— in the high teens where it's dull and damp— in the high teens where it's dull and damp further south, metat— dull and damp further south, even though it's— dull and damp further south, even though it's cloudy , we even though it's cloudy, we smatt— even though it's cloudy, we emeatt get— even though it's cloudy, we should get temperatures into the low should get temperatures into the tow zes— should get temperatures into the tow ees tatte— should get temperatures into the tow zee aatte a— should get temperatures into the low 20s quite a misty, murky matt— low 20s quite a misty, murky mam te— low 20s quite a misty, murky mm to eeme— low 20s quite a misty, murky night to come tonight as well, pattteatatty— night to come tonight as well, particularly around western cease-t— particularly around western coasts. further— particularly around western coasts. further outbreaks of am— coasts. further outbreaks of rain across eastern england and seettamt.— rain across eastern england and seettamt. eat— rain across eastern england and scotland. but it— rain across eastern england and scotland. but it should to scotland. but it should tend to eaeewle—

scotland. but it should tend to eaeewle 90— scotland. but it should tend to ease we go through the second ease as we go through the second matt— ease as we go through the second mam—ee— ease as we go through the second mam—ea mamy- half of the night, so many ptaeee— half of the night, so many places-become- half of the night, so many places become dry as we places will become dry as we meat— places will become dry as we head tate— places will become dry as we head into wednesday. will be head into wednesday. it will be a pretty— head into wednesday. it will be a pretty — head into wednesday. it will be a pretty warm night, however, so warmer-matt- a pretty warm night, however, so warmer-night just- a pretty warm night, however, so warmer night just gone warmer than the night just gone wttm— warmer than the night just gone with temperatures— warmer than the night just gone with temperatures holding up in the-even— with temperatures holding up in the-even high-in. the mid or even high teens in some locations.— the mid or even high teens in some locations. .a- the mid or even high teens in some locations. a humid start some locations. so a humid start to wednesday.— some locations. so a humid start to wednesday. as— some locations. so a humid start to wednesday. as i— some locations. so a humid start to wednesday. as i said, many ptaeee— to wednesday. as i said, many ptaeee wttt— to wednesday. as i said, many places will start— to wednesday. as i said, many places will start dry, but tomorrow morning fairly quickly, i tomorrow morning fairly quickly, . tmmt— tomorrow morning fairly quickly, ttmmt wett— tomorrow morning fairly quickly, i think we'll see— tomorrow morning fairly quickly, i think we'll see some outbreaks of i think we'll see some outbreaks at am— i think we'll see some outbreaks at pumme— i think we'll see some outbreaks of rain pushing back into mathem— of rain pushing back intoi northern _this of rain pushing back into- northern _this line northern ireland and this line of northern ireland and this line et-eeatt— northern ireland and this line of-could have— northern ireland and this line of could have some pretty of rain could have some pretty heavy— of rain could have some pretty heavy taste— of rain could have some pretty heavy bursts mixed in it heavy bursts mixed in as it comes—et- heavy bursts mixed in as it- comes_of scotland. comes across parts of scotland. mem— comes across parts of scotland. them—amt- comes across parts of scotland. then—and wales. then into england and wales tater— then into england and wales tater-taw— then into england and wales later- now most- then into england and wales later now most of the day later on. now most of the day across central— later on. now most of the day across central and— later on. now most of the day across central and eastern tmatamt— across central and eastern tmgtamt-tty- across central and eastern england dry and it should england looks dry and it should tam— england looks dry and it should turn—northwest- england looks dry and it should turn northwest and turn drier to the northwest and ae—me- turn drier to the northwest and ae—te eat- turn drier to the northwest and a_here. but for. a little fresher here. but for tmetamt— a little fresher here. but for england-wales,- a little fresher here. but for england wales, it's quite england and wales, it's quite a mamtt— england and wales, it's quite a warm, humid feeling day with temperatures— temperatures once more in the team—east— temperatures once more in the south—east 25,— temperatures once more in the south—east 25, maybe 26 celsius. mat— south—east 25, maybe 26 celsius. mat tamtttty— south—east 25, maybe 26 celsius. that humidity may— south—east 25, maybe 26 celsius. that humidity may spark some heavy— that humidity may spark some heavy tmamtety— that humidity may spark some heavy thundery showers on this weather— heavy thundery showers on this weather-before— heavy thundery showers on this weather- before it- heavy thundery showers on this weather before it clears weather front before it clears tmeaam— weather front before it clears through thursday. weather front before it clears through -thursday. the through during thursday. and the weather— through during thursday. and the weather remaining pretty emamaeatte— weather remaining pretty changeable more low changeable with more low pressure this pressure systems coming in this meet—

good morning. it's 11:00. good morning. it's11:oo. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, bev turner and andrew pierce. now a report on ettetet-e— andrew pierce. now a report on cricket's attitude— andrew pierce. now a report on cricket's attitude to— ' t: 57�* tzrtztz; now a report on cricket's attitude to ethnic mmemttee— cricket's attitude to ethnic minorities and _ cricket's attitude to ethnic minorities and women. we'll be epeatme— minorities and women. we'll be epeatmg te— minorities and women. we'll be epeatmg to me— minorities and women. we'll be speaking to one of— minorities and women. we'll be speaking to one of the first ttaet— speaking to one of the first black cricketers _ speaking to one of the first black cricketers to play for tmatamt— black cricketers to play for england about— black cricketers to play for england about this report . 't: england about this report. and tmte— england about this report. and former health— england about this report. and former health secretary matt hancock. he's being interviewed this morning at the covid 19 inquiry. they're continuing to examine the uk's pandemic preparedness . we will bring you preparedness. we will bring you the latest headlines from that

and another televised address or mad raving from vladimir putin. he's vowed to track down the magnet— he's vowed to track down the wagner mutineers. he's trying to reassert— wagner mutineers. he's trying to teaeeett me— wagner mutineers. he's trying to reassert his crumbling authority in reassert his crumbling authority m taeeta— reassert his crumbling authority m taeeta .— in russia. | t-ve- in russia.i l i've been in russia. i've been watching some of the hancock covid—19 inquiry while we were on the break. yeah doesn't like talking about his emotions. apparently. did you watch— emotions. apparently. did you watch mm— emotions. apparently. did you watch mm m— emotions. apparently. did you watch him in the— ti; apparently. did you watch him in the jungle? he emetet— watch him in the jungle? he emetet-way- watch him in the jungle? he emoted way through his emoted all the way through his mew— emoted all the way through his mew-managea— emoted all the way through his how-managed to— emoted all the way through his how managed to stay in there how he managed to stay in there for how he managed to stay in there tea ee— how he managed to stay in there tea to tame. — how he managed to stay in there tea ea temg. my— how he managed to stay in there for so long. my blood- how he managed to stay in there for so long. mat : for so long. my blood is boiling. you don't want to miss what has say so far. what he has had to say so far. but first of all, here is your news with tamsin roberts . bev. news with tamsin roberts. bev. thank you. and good " t bev. thank you. and good morning from the em— thank you. and good morning from the gb newsroom.— thank you. and good morning from the gb newsroom. it's 11:01. teame— the gb newsroom. it's 11:01. former health— the gb newsroom. it's 11:01. former health secretary matt tameeet— former health secretary matt tameeet mae— former health secretary matt hancock has said he is paeteamtty— hancock has said he is profoundly sorry for each death caused— profoundly sorry for each death caused ty— profoundly sorry for each death caused by covid— profoundly sorry for each death caused by covid 19 as he gives evttemee— caused by covid 19 as he gives evttemee te— caused by covid 19 as he gives evidence to the— caused by covid 19 as he gives evidence to the pandemic mamm— evidence to the pandemic inquiry- me—

evidence to the pandemic inquiry. the former health secretary— inquiry. the former health secretary was— inquiry. the former health secretary was one of the politicians— secretary was one of the politicians who steered the coronavirus— politicians who steered the coronavirus response before teme— coronavirus response before temgteteet— coronavirus response before being forced to— coronavirus response before being forced to quit in june zom— being forced to quit in june me me— being forced to quit in june 2021. his appearance comes after cmameettet— 2021. his appearance comes after chancellor jeremy _ 2021. his appearance comes after chancellorjeremy hunt said a narrowness of— chancellorjeremy hunt said a narrowness of thinking failed to expand— narrowness of thinking failed to expand pandemic— narrowness of thinking failed to expand pandemic preparedness teyemt— expand pandemic preparedness teyemt planning— expand pandemic preparedness beyond planning for a flu outbreak.— beyond planning for a flu outbreak. matt hancock has told the may— outbreak. matt hancock has told me tmaatty me— outbreak. matt hancock has told the inquiry he thought the uk was more prepared. the uk was et— was more prepared. the uk was at me— was more prepared. the uk was one of the best— was more prepared. the uk was one of the best placed countries in one of the best placed countries m me— one of the best placed countries m the watt— one of the best placed countries in the world for— one of the best placed countries in the world for responding to a pamtemte— in the world for responding to a pamtemte amt— in the world for responding to a pandemic and indeed said in some eateaemeet— pandemic and indeed said in some areas categorised by— pandemic and indeed said in some areas categorised by the world teattt— areas categorised by the world health organisation as the best mate— health organisation as the best ptaee m— health organisation as the best ptaee m the— health organisation as the best place in the world. ' t: ti?“ place in the world. and you can understand that when you're assured by the leading global authority that the uk is the best prepared in the world, that is quite a significant reassurance. that turned out to be wrong . senior executives from be wrong. senior executives from teeee— be wrong. senior executives from teeee aeta — 3 senior executives from tesco, asda, sainsbury's and ttemteeme— tesco, asda, sainsbury's and ttemteeme ae— tesco, asda, sainsbury's and morrisons are to— tesco, asda, sainsbury's and morrisons are to be questioned by tate— morrisons are to be questioned by ttte ever— morrisons are to be questioned by mps over rising food prices . by mps over rising food prices. teet— by mps over rising food prices. food inflation— by mps over rising food prices. food inflation has— by mps over rising food prices. food inflation has eased for a second— food inflation has eased for a second month— food inflation has eased for a second month as— food inflation has eased for a second month as supermarkets cut the amee— second month as supermarkets cut the mate et— second month as supermarkets cut the price of some— second month as supermarkets cut the price of some household etaptee— the price of some household staples, including milk, cheese

amt— staples, including milk, cheese amt eage— staples, including milk, cheese and eggs. figures— staples, including milk, cheese and eggs. figures from the ettttet— and eggs. figures from the british retail— and eggs. figures from the british retail consortium show that— british retail consortium show that shop— british retail consortium show that map price— british retail consortium show that shop price inflation evetatt— that shop price inflation overall slowed to 8.4% in june, tawn— overall slowed to 8.4% in june, tewm tram — overall slowed to 8.4% in june, tewm tram ete— overall slowed to 8.4% in june, down from 9% in— overall slowed to 8.4% in june, down from 9% in may. the british tetatt— down from 9% in may. the british retail consortium _ down from 9% in may. the british retail consortium says if the mmem— retail consortium says if the current situation _ retail consortium says if the current situation continues , it current situation continues, it smatt— current situation continues, it emeatt trep— current situation continues, it should drop to— current situation continues, it should drop to single digits tater— should drop to single digits tater tate— should drop to single digits later this year— should drop to single digits later this year .— should drop to single digits later this year. new measures tave— later this year. new measures have teem— later this year. new measures have been announced to tackle the non—concern— have been announced to tackle the non—concern sensual sharing of the non—concern sensual sharing at mttmate— the non—concern sensual sharing of intimate images— the non—concern sensual sharing of intimate images online. amendments— of intimate images online. amendments to the online safety bill amendments to the online safety ettt wttt— amendments to the online safety bill will remove— amendments to the online safety bill will remove the need to move— bill will remove the need to peeve tmtemt— bill will remove the need to prove intent to _ bill will remove the need to prove intent to cause distress, mamma— prove intent to cause distress, matme tt— prove intent to cause distress, making it easier— prove intent to cause distress, making it easier to charge and eemtet— making it easier to charge and convict offenders. _ making it easier to charge and convict offenders. those found gattty— convict offenders. those found gattty eeatt— convict offenders. those found guilty could face— convict offenders. those found guilty could face up to six memtte— guilty could face up to six memtme m— guilty could face up to six months in jail— guilty could face up to six months in jail .- guilty could face up to six months in jail . and if the months in jail. and if the mem— months in jail. and if the tmtemt te— months in jail. and if the intent to distress is proven , a intent to distress is proven, a et— intent to distress is proven, a maximum of two— intent to distress is proven, a maximum of two years in custody. meme— maximum of two years in custody. taettee secretary— maximum of two years in custody. justice secretary alex chalk eaye— justice secretary alex chalk says he — justice secretary alex chalk says he wants— justice secretary alex chalk says he wants to bring more paeteettem— says he wants to bring more meteettem te — says he wants to bring more protection to women and girls. we ate— protection to women and girls. we are overhauling— protection to women and girls. we are overhauling the- protection to women and girls. we are overhauling the law so that there is nowhere to hide for cowards and bitter ex—partners who cause enormous damage by sharing intimate images without consent. so there already was an offence from as long ago as 2015, and in fact we

led many other countries in doing so. but we now want to go that step further so there is nowhere to hide. whatever the motivation was, whatever they were intending, excuse were intending, whatever excuse they up with, the they tried to come up with, the key issue is how has it affected that individual? did they consent it? no the government consent to it? no the government has teem— consent to it? no the government has teem meet— consent to it? no the government has been urged to— consent to it? no the government has been urged to rule— i 7 to the government has been urged to rule out tetamma— has been urged to rule out tetamma et— has been urged to rule out detaining or forcibly removing emtttem— detaining or forcibly removing emtttem te— detaining or forcibly removing children to rwanda, whose tamtttee— children to rwanda, whose families are— children to rwanda, whose families are seeking asylum in the um— families are seeking asylum in the um me— families are seeking asylum in the uk. the women and equalities cemmtttee— the uk. the women and equalities cemmtttee eaye— the uk. the women and equalities committee says the— the uk. the women and equalities committee says the risks of harm to committee says the risks of harm te aeytam — committee says the risks of harm to asylum seeking— committee says the risks of harm to asylum seeking children can eatwetam— to asylum seeking children can eatwetam amy— to asylum seeking children can outweigh any risk— to asylum seeking children can outweigh any risk of damaging the government's aim of tetememee— the government's aim of deterrence through its illegal tttatattem— deterrence through its illegal migration bill.— deterrence through its illegal migration bill. the home office eaye— migration bill. the home office eaye mat— migration bill. the home office says that ministers could spend tteeeoo— says that ministers could spend tteeeoo em— says that ministers could spend £169,000 on each— says that ministers could spend £169,000 on each person forcibly emet me— £169,000 on each person forcibly removed. the committee's chair, catetme— removed. the committee's chair, caroline nokes,— removed. the committee's chair, caroline nokes, says a detention cemet— caroline nokes, says a detention eemet te— caroline nokes, says a detention eemet te me— caroline nokes, says a detention centre is no place— caroline nokes, says a detention centre is no place for children. me— centre is no place for children. the committee— centre is no place for children. the committee was— centre is no place for children. the committee was very- centre is no place for children. the committee was very concerned that whilst the government has put a stay on the removal of unaccompanied asylum seeking children to rwanda, there is no such a position in place for children with their families . so

children with their families. so very young children who we have seen images of them coming over making terrible, terrible crossings on boats could be put in detention centres. now effectively a detention camp is no place for a child . a jet no place for a child. a jet unked no place for a child. a jet linked to wagner- i i t: a jet linked to wagner group founder yevgeny— linked to wagner group founder yevgeny prigozhin has arrived in teams— yevgeny prigozhin has arrived in eetame mem— yevgeny prigozhin has arrived in belarus from russia . belarusian belarus from russia. belarusian teatet— belarus from russia. belarusian leader alexander— belarus from russia. belarusian leader alexander lukashenko ettetet— leader alexander lukashenko ettetet tte — leader alexander lukashenko offered the leader relocation to the eeamtty— offered the leader relocation to the eeamtty m— offered the leader relocation to the country in a— offered the leader relocation to the country in a deal to end the tetetttem— the country in a deal to end the rebellion launched— the country in a deal to end the rebellion launched on saturday. mm— rebellion launched on saturday. tme memtma— rebellion launched on saturday. this morning, russia conducted tatter— this morning, russia conducted ttgmtet tet— this morning, russia conducted fighter jet drills— this morning, russia conducted fighter jet drills over the tatte— fighter jet drills over the baltic sea.— fighter jet drills over the baltic sea. this comes after meettemt— baltic sea. this comes after president putin— baltic sea. this comes after president putin paid tribute to the taeetam— president putin paid tribute to the russian pilots who were met— the russian pilots who were killed fighting— the russian pilots who were killed fighting for the wagner group— killed fighting for the wagner group during— killed fighting for the wagner group during this weekend's matmy. — group during this weekend's mutiny. ukraine— group during this weekend's mutiny. ukraine politician kira mett— mutiny. ukraine politician kira tattt eaye— mutiny. ukraine politician kira rudik says the— mutiny. ukraine politician kira rudik says the weekend's mayhem is rudik says the weekend's mayhem te temettetat— rudik says the weekend's mayhem is beneficial to— rudik says the weekend's mayhem is beneficial to the— rudik says the weekend's mayhem is beneficial to the ukrainian teteee. — is beneficial to the ukrainian teteee. every— is beneficial to the ukrainian forces. will is beneficial to the ukrainian forces. every distraction that russians have out of the front is a good chance for us to push forward on a counter offensive. and of course the destabilisation of situation in

russia is something that would allow us to move forward . the allow us to move forward. the ministry of defence,- c»; : the ministry of defence, meanwhile, repeate— ministry of defence, meanwhile, teeette mat— ministry of defence, meanwhile, reports that ukrainian forces mave— reports that ukrainian forces have mate— reports that ukrainian forces have made advances near donetsk etty. — have made advances near donetsk etty. me— have made advances near donetsk etty. the met— have made advances near donetsk etty. me ttet eaye— have made advances near donetsk city. the mod says it's highly tttety— city. the mod says it's highly tttety tmey— city. the mod says it's highly likely they have— city. the mod says it's highly likely they have recaptured an et— likely they have recaptured an area of territory— likely they have recaptured an area of territory occupied by taeeta— area of territory occupied by russia since— area of territory occupied by russia since 2014. racism, amt— russia since 2014. racism, sexism and elitism are wtteeeeat— sexism and elitism are widespread in english and welsh ettetet— widespread in english and welsh cricket, according— widespread in english and welsh cricket, according to a report. me— cricket, according to a report. the metam— cricket, according to a report. the indian commission for equity in the indian commission for equity m catetet— the indian commission for equity in cricket collected— the indian commission for equity in cricket collected evidence trem— in cricket collected evidence from more than— in cricket collected evidence from more than 4000 people and teame— from more than 4000 people and teamt mat— from more than 4000 people and found that racism _ from more than 4000 people and found that racism remains entrenched— found that racism remains entrenched in— found that racism remains entrenched in the sport and that women routine— entrenched in the sport and that women routine early encounter amt— women routine early encounter sexism and misogyny. the icc has mate— sexism and misogyny. the icc has mate ee— sexism and misogyny. the icc has made 44 recommendations for the tmetamt— made 44 recommendations for the tmetamt amt— made 44 recommendations for the england and wales— made 44 recommendations for the england and wales cricket board. the england and wales cricket board. the mat— england and wales cricket board. the etatt et— england and wales cricket board. the chair of the— england and wales cricket board. the chair of the ecb, richard ttemeem— the chair of the ecb, richard thomson, has— the chair of the ecb, richard thomson, has apologised and has eattet— thomson, has apologised and has eattet tet— thomson, has apologised and has eattet tea a— thomson, has apologised and has called for a reset— thomson, has apologised and has called for a reset in— thomson, has apologised and has called for a reset in the game . called for a reset in the game. mm— called for a reset in the game. me te— called for a reset in the game. me te ee— called for a reset in the game. this is gb news.— called for a reset in the game. this is gb news. more from me

meaty.— this is gb news. more from me emettty. new— this is gb news. more from me shortly. now though is back to andrew— shortly. now though is back to andrew amt— shortly. now though is back to andrew amt .— andrew and. bev mante- andrew and. bev l thanks for. andrew and. bev thanks for joining us this morning tuesday? it morning. is it tuesday? it certainly is only tuesday, right? a report , it could not right? as a report, it could not be more. independent be more. the independent commission for in cricket commission for equity in cricket in cricket has concluded racism, sexism , classism and elitism in sexism, classism and elitism in a lot of isms are widely spread in english and welsh cricket . in english and welsh cricket. so it's a two year investigation. it took so it's a two year— investigation. it took evidence ttem — investigation. it took evidence ttem eooo — investigation. it took evidence from 4000 people. it was set up in from 4000 people. it was set up m the— from 4000 people. it was set up m the wate— from 4000 people. it was set up m the wake et— from 4000 people. it was set up in the wake of the— from 4000 people. it was set up in the wake of the killing of eeeme— in the wake of the killing of george tteyt— in the wake of the killing of george floyd in— in the wake of the killing of george floyd in 2021. meanwhile, the etattmam— george floyd in 2021. meanwhile, the chairman of— george floyd in 2021. meanwhile, the chairman of english cricket teat— the chairman of english cricket board-issued— the chairman of english cricket board-issued an- the chairman of english cricket board issued an unreserved board has issued an unreserved apology— board has issued an unreserved apology .— board has issued an unreserved apology . se— board has issued an unreserved apology. so joining us now is me— apology. so joining us now is the brilliant— apology. so joining us now is the brilliant cricketer, roland eatetea— the brilliant cricketer, roland eatemea tte — the brilliant cricketer, roland butcher, the man of history , of butcher, the man of history, of course, one of— butcher, the man of history, of course, one of the— butcher, the man of history, of course, one of the first black ettetetete— course, one of the first black cricketers to _ course, one of the first black cricketers to play— course, one of the first black cricketers to play for england. tetamt— cricketers to play for england. tetamt, 900d_ cricketers to play for england. roland, good morning to you. i eaeeeet— roland, good morning to you. i suspect-findings- roland, good morning to you. i suspect findings of this suspect the findings of this commission— suspect the findings of this commission don't surprise you, pattteatatty—

commission don't surprise you, particularly with— commission don't surprise you, particularly with regard to race. yes, good- particularly with regard to race. /tzi;t; d g particularly with regard to race. /tit; d g race. yes, good morning. and yes, it certainly doesn't surprise me and it wouldn't surprise me and it wouldn't surprise us any ethnic or female cricketer , recreational or cricketer, recreational or professional, who's played the game. it's something that they have been saying for a long, long time. the only problem really is why it's taken so long, really for a report like this to be brought out and then to be acted upon . is it because to be acted upon. is it because it's a to be acted upon. is it because tt-e a matte— to be acted upon. is it because it's a white old— to be acted upon. is it because it's a white old boys— i: c. it?" is it because it's a white old boys network, tetamt— it's a white old boys network, roland, effectively run the game 7 roland, effectively run the game e very— roland, effectively run the game e very meet— roland, effectively run the game e very much ee— roland, effectively run the game e very much se .— roland, effectively run the game ? very much so . i— roland, effectively run the game ? very much so. i mean, it always has been the case. i think a lot of things have been ignored over the years. but i think cricket is only part of what is going on in society. think cricket is only part of what is going on in society . you what is going on in society. you know, we have ignored for a very long time what people have had to say in relation to the hardships , etcetera, that hardships, etcetera, that they've had to go through . and i they've had to go through. and i think that really is a failure of not just the cricket authorities, but i think our

leaders in general and i think there's a crisis of leadership really in the world that, you know, some leaders see what's immediately in front of them . immediately in front of them. the leaders see the future. the best leaders see the future. i think certainly in cricket in point of view, over the years, i think more severe leaders have only seen what's just in front of them. well, and you were one of them. well, and you were one et me— of them. well, and you were one et tte met— of them. well, and you were one of the first black _ well, and you were one of the first black cricketers to play— of the first black cricketers to etay tet— of the first black cricketers to play for england,— of the first black cricketers to play for england, as we said, you— play for england, as we said, yew wee— play for england, as we said, you were breaking down those tattere— you were breaking down those tamem amt— you were breaking down those barriers and those stereotypes amt— barriers and those stereotypes and discrimination. and the discrimination. how was it and the discrimination. how was tt-amt— and the discrimination. how was tt-amt taw— and the discrimination. how was tt-amt tew ts— and the discrimination. how was it-and how is it— and the discrimination. how was it and how is it different it then and how is it different now? because there have certainly improvements . certainly been improvements. what i would say is that we eettamty— what i would say is that we certainly haven't— what i would say is that we certainly haven't learned from these— certainly haven't learned from these days— certainly haven't learned from these taye ,— certainly haven't learned from those days , certainly back in those days, certainly back in me— those days, certainly back in the days— those days, certainly back in the days when _ those days, certainly back in the days when i— those days, certainly back in the days when i played for tttttteeex— the days when i played for middlesex in— the days when i played for middlesex in the 80s and 90s , if middlesex in the 80s and 90s, if you middlesex in the 80s and 90s, if yew tmmt— middlesex in the 80s and 90s, if yew tmmt tatt— middlesex in the 80s and 90s, if you think back to— middlesex in the 80s and 90s, if you think back to the middlesex atte— you think back to the middlesex side, captained— you think back to the middlesex side, captained by— you think back to the middlesex side, captained by mike brearley , it side, captained by mike brearley , tt te— side, captained by mike brearley , tt te eemaee— side, captained by mike brearley , it is perhaps even to this day,— , it is perhaps even to this day, the— , it is perhaps even to this day, the most— , it is perhaps even to this day, the most diverse and metwewe— day, the most diverse and inclusive cricket team that's ptayeet— inclusive cricket team that's ever played. middlesex had five ttaet— ever played. middlesex had five ttaet etayem — ever played. middlesex had five black players. we— ever played. middlesex had five black players. we had players mem— black players. we had players ttem seam— black players. we had players from south africa, pakistan. we tat— from south africa, pakistan. we mat etayete— from south africa, pakistan. we had players from _ from south africa, pakistan. we had players from different walks of had players from different walks et ttte. — had players from different walks

of life. cambridge— had players from different walks of life. cambridge university, teeat— of life. cambridge university, local, london.— of life. cambridge university, local, london. i— of life. cambridge university, local, london. i mean, it was so tweete— local, london. i mean, it was so ttwetee. wew— local, london. i mean, it was so diverse. now really,— local, london. i mean, it was so diverse. now really, that was the— diverse. now really, that was the blueprint— diverse. now really, that was the blueprint and that team was very,— the blueprint and that team was very, very— the blueprint and that team was very, very successful. so what teatty— very, very successful. so what we've really learnt nothing from mat— we've really learnt nothing from that .— we've really learnt nothing from that . amt— we've really learnt nothing from that . and here— we've really learnt nothing from that . and here we— we've really learnt nothing from that . and here we are now 50 odd that. and here we are now 50 odd years— that. and here we are now 50 odd years tewm— that. and here we are now 50 odd yeate tewm me— that. and here we are now 50 odd years down the line— that. and here we are now 50 odd years down the line and we've etttt— years down the line and we've etttt eet— years down the line and we've etttt get me— years down the line and we've still got the same— years down the line and we've still got the same problem that -eet— still got the same problem that -eet stat- still got the same problem that we've -to start and - still got the same problem that we've to start and try we've now got to start and try amt— we've now got to start and try amt attteee— we've now got to start and try and address once— we've now got to start and try and address once o" and address once more. on a personal— and address once more. on a peasant tewet— and address once more. on a personal level, roland, because this says the vast this report says the vast majority of non—white cricketers surveyed had experienced discrimination. you discrimination. did you personally suffer discrimination ? well, i mean, i would have etttetet— ? well, i mean, i would have suffered subtle— 7’ well, i mean, i would have suffered subtle discrimination. i suffered subtle discrimination. t eemaee— suffered subtle discrimination. i perhaps didn't— suffered subtle discrimination. i perhaps didn't suffer as much as persons who _ i perhaps didn't suffer as much as persons who lived most of meta— as persons who lived most of ttett ttte— as persons who lived most of their life in— as persons who lived most of their life in england. i came to tmttamt— their life in england. i came to tmttamt wmem— their life in england. i came to england when i— their life in england. i came to england when i was 13.5 and teatty— england when i was 13.5 and teatty tat— england when i was 13.5 and really had never— england when i was 13.5 and really had never encountered tetete— really had never encountered racism before because it didn't emet— racism before because it didn't extet m— racism before because it didn't extet m the— racism before because it didn't exist in the caribbean, in the catttteam — exist in the caribbean, in the caribbean. so— exist in the caribbean, in the caribbean. so you know, i really got caribbean. so you know, i really tet tate— caribbean. so you know, i really get tmte tt— caribbean. so you know, i really got into it late.— caribbean. so you know, i really got into it late. i— caribbean. so you know, i really got into it late. i think the teette— got into it late. i think the teette wte— got into it late. i think the people who were here from a very young— people who were here from a very yetmt ate.— people who were here from a very yetmt ate, tt— people who were here from a very young age, it became very much part— young age, it became very much eat amt— young age, it became very much eat amt tateet— young age, it became very much part and parcel of— young age, it became very much part and parcel of their ewetytay— part and parcel of their everyday life.- part and parcel of their everyday life. and to some tetee— everyday life. and to some tetaee tmey— everyday life. and to some degree they just found a way to

twe— degree they just found a way to ttwe wttt— degree they just found a way to ttwe wttt t.— degree they just found a way to live with it. so _ degree they just found a way to live with it. so i— degree they just found a way to live with it. so i didn't have as mutt— live with it. so i didn't have as much as the— live with it. so i didn't have as much as the other players for what-e— as much as the other players for sure. what's the— as much as the other players for sure. 7 i sure. what's the answer? because this report says that racism class based discrimination, elitism and sexism, sexism are baked in to english cricket and welsh cricket obe that's true . welsh cricket obe that's true. i mean, many people have said it for i mean, many people have said it tea a— i mean, many people have said it tea a tent.— i mean, many people have said it tea a tent, teat— i mean, many people have said it for a long, long time. i think the— for a long, long time. i think the wettest— for a long, long time. i think the biggest problem has been that— the biggest problem has been that a— the biggest problem has been that a tet— the biggest problem has been that a tet et— the biggest problem has been that a lot of us— the biggest problem has been that a lot of us over the years tave— that a lot of us over the years have tmewm— that a lot of us over the years have known what— that a lot of us over the years have known what the problem was, but have known what the problem was, tut a— have known what the problem was, tut a human— have known what the problem was, but a human failure— have known what the problem was, but a human failure is that atemt— but a human failure is that atemt me— but a human failure is that along the lines— but a human failure is that along the lines a lot of us tea-t— along the lines a lot of us tem-t te— along the lines a lot of us don't do anything about it. we mew— don't do anything about it. we knew mat— don't do anything about it. we knew that t— don't do anything about it. we know that it is— don't do anything about it. we know that it is wrong, but we tea-t— know that it is wrong, but we tem-t te— know that it is wrong, but we don't do anything about it. mat-e— don't do anything about it. mat-e wty— don't do anything about it. that's why it's— don't do anything about it. that's why it's taken this amet— that's why it's taken this amet et— that's why it's taken this amount of time really, for some trave— amount of time really, for some wave—twat- amount of time really, for some brave _think azeemi brave men. and i think azeem tatt— brave men. and i think azeem tattt tat— brave men. and i think azeem rafiq has been— brave men. and i think azeem rafiq has been quite brave in aettatty— rafiq has been quite brave in actually standing up to a conglomerate— actually standing up to a conglomerate really like like the conglomerate really like like tte tee— conglomerate really like like the tee amt— conglomerate really like like the ecb and others to tell his etem— the ecb and others to tell his stay tut— the ecb and others to tell his story. but there _ the ecb and others to tell his story. but there are thousands amt— story. but there are thousands and thousands— story. but there are thousands and thousands of— story. but there are thousands and thousands of people out mete.— and thousands of people out mete. mate— and thousands of people out there, male and— and thousands of people out there, male and female, ethnic amt— there, male and female, ethnic amt emete— there, male and female, ethnic and others who— there, male and female, ethnic and others who have a similar etety— and others who have a similar etety te— and others who have a similar

etety te tett— and others who have a similar etety te tett .— and others who have a similar story to tell . and— and others who have a similar story to tell . and really, that story to tell. and really, that is story to tell. and really, that te tte — story to tell. and really, that te the teat— story to tell. and really, that is the real issue— story to tell. and really, that is the real issue that needs to be is the real issue that needs to te teatt— is the real issue that needs to be dealt with— is the real issue that needs to be dealt with . _ is the real issue that needs to be dealt with . cite/£5; be dealt with. okay. thank you so much , roland bucha. really so much, roland bucha. really interesting to hear your your insight this morning into that. the findings you know what, anyone who's known cricketers , anyone who's known cricketers, we sort of have the reputation for being it was very public, boozy and it's public school boys , isn't it? yeah. i mean, of boys, isn't it? yeah. i mean, of course, we had the big racism row at yorkshire with azeem rafiq didn't. yeah. saying that he'd experienced incredible racism. like you say, despite me— racism. like you say, despite the wmtee— racism. like you say, despite the wmtee t— racism. like you say, despite the whites, i always- i like you say, despite the whites, i always thought ettetetete— the whites, i always thought cricketers terribly sort cricketers were a terribly sort of cricketers were a terribly sort et tuttemet— cricketers were a terribly sort of buttoned up— cricketers were a terribly sort of buttoned up and proper and eeem— of buttoned up and proper and etem—aeeeetmtl of buttoned up and proper and. open—accepting this open minded and accepting this is open minded and accepting this te ettteetet.— open minded and accepting this is suggested. not— open minded and accepting this is suggested. not all of them are is suggested. not all of them mett— is suggested. not all of them are right. former— is suggested. not all of them are right. former health secretary— are right. former health secretary matt hancock has atetetteet— secretary matt hancock has apologised for— secretary matt hancock has apologised for each death caused by apologised for each death caused ty cewt— apologised for each death caused ty cewt te— apologised for each death caused ty cewt tet ae— apologised for each death caused by covid 19 as he— apologised for each death caused by covid 19 as he gives evidence to by covid 19 as he gives evidence te me— by covid 19 as he gives evidence to the pandemic— by covid 19 as he gives evidence to the pandemic inquiry. he's the tateet— to the pandemic inquiry. he's the latest high— to the pandemic inquiry. he's the latest high profile politician— the latest high profile politician to - the latest high profile politician to go before that mtttty— politician to go before that mtttty wmet— politician to go before that inquiry, which as you know, etattet— inquiry, which as you know, etattet m— inquiry, which as you know, started in london and it's going to started in london and it's going te 9°— started in london and it's going te 90 em— started in london and it's going te te em tttt— started in london and it's going to go on till 2026— started in london and it's going to go on till 2026 or 2027. ' t: to go on till 2026 or 2027. and it's to go on till 2026 or 2027. and we att— to go on till 2026 or 2027. and we at atett— to go on till 2026 or 2027. and it's all about the— to go on till 2026 or 2027. and it's all about the government's preparedness or lack of preparedness or lack of preparedness for the pandemic.

so joining us in the studio now is so joining us in the studio now te weattt— so joining us in the studio now is health and— so joining us in the studio now is health and social affairs etttet— is health and social affairs etttet at— is health and social affairs editor at the— is health and social affairs editor at the sunday express, ttey— editor at the sunday express, ttey tetmeem— editor at the sunday express, lucy johnson. lucy, i know yee— lucy johnson. lucy, i know ye teem— lucy johnson. lucy, i know you've been making your in, you've been making your way in, so you've been making your way in, ee-tawem-t— you've been making your way in, so-haven't-able- you've been making your way in, so - haven't- able to - so you haven't been able to watch— so you haven't been able to watet every— so you haven't been able to watch every bit— so you haven't been able to watch every bit of what hancock has watch every bit of what hancock tae eat.— watch every bit of what hancock tae eatt. twe— watch every bit of what hancock has said. i've been— watch every bit of what hancock has said. i've been watching what—me- has said. i've been watching what—the ad. has said. i've been watching- what_the ad breaks what i can during the ad breaks amt— what i can during the ad breaks amt-mamma— what i can during the ad breaks and-making-blood- what i can during the ad breaks and making blood boil. and it's making my blood boil. wee— and it's making my blood boil. we-e eettmt— and it's making my blood boil. we-e eettmt te— and it's making my blood boil. he's setting up this idea that mete— he's setting up this idea that mete-a— he's setting up this idea that there-a doctrine- he's setting up this idea that there-a doctrine ,- he's setting up this idea that there a doctrine , a doctrine there was a doctrine, a doctrine mettem. — there was a doctrine, a doctrine wettemleatt— there was a doctrine, a doctrine wettemleatt .— there was a doctrine, a doctrine problem. said , amongst problem. he said, amongst tewemmemet— problem. he said, amongst governments the world, governments around the world, in the—teamm- governments around the world, in the _ doctrine was, i the west. and the doctrine was, if the west. and the doctrine was, tt-a— the west. and the doctrine was, tt-a tamtemte- the west. and the doctrine was, if-a pandemic, we- the west. and the doctrine was, if a pandemic, we just if we have a pandemic, we just tave— if we have a pandemic, we just mate-tety— if we have a pandemic, we just have-tety tate- if we have a pandemic, we just have body bags and we have to buy body bags and we tea-t— have to buy body bags and we tem-t te— have to buy body bags and we don't do enough— have to buy body bags and we don't do enough to stop the tamtemte. — don't do enough to stop the pandemic. -but- don't do enough to stop the pandemic. but he's talking pandemic. btec but he's talking atett— pandemic. btec but he's talking atettl— pandemic. btec but he's talking atettl te— pandemic. btec but he's talking atettl te-we- pandemic. btec but he's talking about.. he-we were- about flu. he said we were ttetatet— about flu. he said we were prepared tet— about flu. he said we were prepared forlflu- about flu. he said we were prepared for flu virus, but prepared for a flu virus, but met— prepared for a flu virus, but met a— prepared for a flu virus, but not a coronavirus, and he said so not a coronavirus, and he said ee mete— not a coronavirus, and he said ee ttete wae— not a coronavirus, and he said so there was only— not a coronavirus, and he said so there was only so much we eettt— so there was only so much we eettt te— so there was only so much we eettt te tet— so there was only so much we could do for a— so there was only so much we could do for a respiratory tteeaee— could do for a respiratory disease. well,— could do for a respiratory disease. well, coronavirus was a teetttatety— disease. well, coronavirus was a respiratory disease,— disease. well, coronavirus was a respiratory disease, so there's a tet— respiratory disease, so there's a tet et— respiratory disease, so there's a tet et tee-e— respiratory disease, so there's a lot of he's getting himself tate— a lot of he's getting himself tmte mete.— a lot of he's getting himself into knots, in— a lot of he's getting himself into knots, in my opinion. what tave— into knots, in my opinion. what mate-mate— into knots, in my opinion. what mate-mate et— into knots, in my opinion. what have-made of-i- into knots, in my opinion. what have-made of-i thinkl have you made of it? i think yet-te— have you made of it? i think you're absolutely right. and there's a bit of confusion among. oh, sorry, lucy can carry on. among. oh, sorry, lucy can carry t— among. oh, sorry, lucy can carry t ttetett— among. oh, sorry, lucy can carry on. i thought we— among. oh, sorry, lucy can carry on. i thought we were playing a clip. no, that's fine. there eeemelte— clip. no, that's fine. there eeemelte a— clip. no, that's fine. there seems-be a lot- clip. no, that's fine. there seems-be a lot of- ec no, that's fine. there seems be a lot of confusion, seems to be a lot of confusion, i seems to be a lot of confusion, t twat.— seems to be a lot of confusion, ttttmt-tte— seems to be a lot of confusion, i think, the lawyers at i think, among the lawyers at the may— i think, among the lawyers at the inquiry about— i think, among the lawyers at the inquiry about science the inquiry about the science aemt— the inquiry about the science aemt tte— the inquiry about the science around this. there many

around this. there are many wmeeeeam-— around this. there are many viruses can create viruses that can create a tamtemte— viruses that can create a tamtemte .— viruses that can create a pandemic . the flu is one of pandemic. the flu is one of them. — pandemic. the flu is one of them. coronavirus is are amettet. — them. coronavirus is are another. and— them. coronavirus is are another. and what we did is away— another. and what we did is actually threw— another. and what we did is actually threw away our tmewtette. — actually threw away our knowledge. decades of knowledge on knowledge. decades of knowledge em teetttatety— knowledge. decades of knowledge on respiratory viruses . there on respiratory viruses. there was no reason to— on respiratory viruses. there was no reason to think that tteeae— was no reason to think that there would— was no reason to think that there would be— was no reason to think that there would be no natural tmmtmtty— there would be no natural tmmmtty te— there would be no natural immunity to a— there would be no natural immunity to a coronavirus. there was no reason to— immunity to a coronavirus. there was no reason to think that maete— was no reason to think that masks would— was no reason to think that masks would work. when we had teeatee— masks would work. when we had teeatee et— masks would work. when we had decades of work— masks would work. when we had decades of work showing that they— decades of work showing that they tatm-t— decades of work showing that they hadn't worked for other teetttatety— they hadn't worked for other respiratory viruses . so in a respiratory viruses. so in a tt— respiratory viruses. so in a sense it didn't— respiratory viruses. so in a sense it didn't didn't really matter. — sense it didn't didn't really matter. that's— sense it didn't didn't really matter. that's just about tatettmt— matter. that's just about tatettmt .— matter. that's just about labelling . it— matter. that's just about labelling . it was a good place labelling. it was a good place to labelling. it was a good place te etatt— labelling. it was a good place te etatt at.— labelling. it was a good place to start at. and— labelling. it was a good place to start at. and we had tmewtette— to start at. and we had knowledge of- to start at. and we had knowledge of different pandemics and knowledge of different pandemics amt we— knowledge of different pandemics amt we tat— knowledge of different pandemics and we had actually had good etame— and we had actually had good etame tet— and we had actually had good ttame tea a— and we had actually had good plans for a flu— and we had actually had good plans for a flu pandemic, which wettt— plans for a flu pandemic, which wettt mave— plans for a flu pandemic, which would have helped us in our eeteee te— would have helped us in our response to this— would have helped us in our response to this .— would have helped us in our response to this . and they were response to this. and they were teet— response to this. and they were teet m— response to this. and they were teet m tte— response to this. and they were lost in the organisational memety— lost in the organisational memety amt— lost in the organisational memory and totally forgotten . memory and totally forgotten. so memory and totally forgotten. se m— memory and totally forgotten. se m tact.— memory and totally forgotten. so in fact, how— memory and totally forgotten. so in fact, how do— memory and totally forgotten. so in fact, how do you- memory and totally forgotten. so in fact, how do you lose it? lucy? how does it get lost? wett— lucy? how does it get lost? wett. t— lucy? how does it get lost? wett. t ten-t— lucy? how does it get lost? well, i don't get— lucy? how does it get lost? �*ft�*tziee ct?" e gtzie the well, i don't get that. the original plans were- �*ft�*tziee ct?" e gtzie the original plans were actually very— original plans were actually very teet— original plans were actually very teet amt— original plans were actually very good and they had discussed teettewme. — very good and they had discussed lockdowns. they— very good and they had discussed lockdowns. they had discussed eteemt— lockdowns. they had discussed closing schools— lockdowns. they had discussed closing schools they had closing schools and they had teettet—

closing schools and they had decided that— closing schools and they had decided that it— closing schools and they had decided that it wouldn't do much teet. — decided that it wouldn't do much teet. amt— decided that it wouldn't do much good. and actually— decided that it wouldn't do much good. and actually it was tamaetete— good. and actually it was tamaetete .— good. and actually it was dangerous . as- good. and actually it was dangerous . as we now know, we dangerous. as we now know, we mat— dangerous. as we now know, we ttat tteee— dangerous. as we now know, we that those plans— dangerous. as we now know, we that those plans were different eemmttteee— that those plans were different committees had— that those plans were different committees had different meetmte— committees had different meetings, and they were looked at ty— meetings, and they were looked at ty a— meetings, and they were looked at ty a treat— meetings, and they were looked at by a broad spectrum of emete. — at by a broad spectrum of exeette. se— at by a broad spectrum of experts. so not- at by a broad spectrum of experts. so not just doctors and wttetettete— experts. so not just doctors and virologists, but— experts. so not just doctors and virologists, but people that understood— virologists, but people that understood the _ virologists, but people that understood the economy. they tmteteteet— understood the economy. they understood education, they tmteteteet— understood education, they understood it— understood education, they understood it was a societal response because , as in fact, a response because, as in fact, a eamtemte— response because, as in fact, a tamtemte te— response because, as in fact, a tamtemte te a— response because, as in fact, a pandemic is a societal threat. so pandemic is a societal threat. se yet— pandemic is a societal threat. se yet meet— pandemic is a societal threat. se yet meet a— pandemic is a societal threat. so you need a societal response . tee.— so you need a societal response . vee- se— so you need a societal response . vee- se what— so you need a societal response . yes. so what happened is those tteee— . yes. so what happened is those tteee etame— . yes. so what happened is those those plans were _ . yes. so what happened is those those plans were there in 2005 amt— those plans were there in 2005 amt eta.— those plans were there in 2005 amt amt— those plans were there in 2005 and six, and then— those plans were there in 2005 and six, and then they were tewettet— and six, and then they were revisited in— and six, and then they were revisited in 2015.- and six, and then they were revisited in 2015. i think, and tetmt— revisited in 2015. i think, and tetmt mat— revisited in 2015. i think, and found that they— revisited in 2015. i think, and found that they needed updating. they— found that they needed updating. ttey meetet— found that they needed updating. tmey meetet a— found that they needed updating. they needed a bit— found that they needed updating. they needed a bit of changing. but they needed a bit of changing. tut t— they needed a bit of changing. tut t ttmt— they needed a bit of changing. but i think we,— they needed a bit of changing. but i think we, the experts that etettt— but i think we, the experts that etettt mave— but i think we, the experts that should have been— but i think we, the experts that should have been doing that, the catmet— should have been doing that, the cabinet ministers— should have been doing that, the cabinet ministers that should tave— cabinet ministers that should have teem— cabinet ministers that should have been doing— cabinet ministers that should have been doing that were tetetteyet— have been doing that were redeployed-to- have been doing that were redeployed to brexit, and redeployed tied to brexit, and ttee— redeployed tied to brexit, and there-obviously- redeployed tied to brexit, and there obviously austerity there was obviously austerity amt— there was obviously austerity amt tteeae— there was obviously austerity and there was—

there was obviously austerity and there was just the memory of that— and there was just the memory of that teame— and there was just the memory of that became lost— and there was just the memory of that became lost and sort of ewetwttttem— that became lost and sort of overwritten by— that became lost and sort of overwritten by new plans. and we eat— overwritten by new plans. and we eett et— overwritten by new plans. and we eett et eemet— overwritten by new plans. and we sort of copied other— overwritten by new plans. and we sort of copied other countries amt— sort of copied other countries amt teettet— sort of copied other countries and decided politicised, politicised. _ and decided politicised, politicised. that's exactly mam.— politicised. that's exactly mam. team— politicised. that's exactly right. yeah. and in fact, one tteettem— right. yeah. and in fact, one question that— right. yeah. and in fact, one question that needs to be asked tetay— question that needs to be asked tetay ty— question that needs to be asked tetay ty emme— question that needs to be asked today by chris whitty has said mat— today by chris whitty has said that tt— today by chris whitty has said that it wasn't— today by chris whitty has said that it wasn't a— today by chris whitty has said that it wasn't a scientific teetetem— that it wasn't a scientific decision to _ that it wasn't a scientific decision to lock down, was matt ham,— decision to lock down, was matt wameeet. tte— decision to lock down, was matt hancock, the person who asked sate— hancock, the person who asked sate te— hancock, the person who asked sage to consider— hancock, the person who asked sage to consider lockdown? we meet — sage to consider lockdown? we meet te — sage to consider lockdown? we meet te aet— sage to consider lockdown? we need to ask and— sage to consider lockdown? we need to ask and it's fascinating mat.— need to ask and it's fascinating ttat. ten-t— need to ask and it's fascinating that. eat tt— need to ask and it's fascinating that, isn't it, lucy,— need to ask and it's fascinating that, isn't it, lucy, because we tett— that, isn't it, lucy, because we were told again— that, isn't it, lucy, because we were told again and again mmtetete— were told again and again ministers are— were told again and again ministers are following the science and— ministers are following the science and yet— ministers are following the science and yet he's suggesting a tet— science and yet he's suggesting a tet et— science and yet he's suggesting a lot of these— science and yet he's suggesting a lot of these decisions were tetttteat. — a lot of these decisions were tetttteat. se— a lot of these decisions were political. so they- a lot of these decisions were political. so they were overruling the scientists or scientists were letting the politicians make the decisions. well, in a sense, what is the t— well, in a sense, what is the science? i mean,- well, in a sense, what is the science? i mean, it- well, in a sense, what is the science? " e well, in a sense, what is the science? e science? i mean, it is a novel virus . so the science for one virus. so the science for one person is different, but there is no such thing as the science with something that has not been well established . what the well established. what the country to be was to country needed to be was to adapt and to be flexible to and i mean, every i've been health

editor for many years and every yean editor for many years and every year, as we have winter crises and we have ambulance pictures of ambulances backed up, why are we not increasing capacity dunng we not increasing capacity during those winter months ? this during those winter months? this was inevitable anyway, that it would happen in winter. was inevitable anyway, that it would happen in winter . and of would happen in winter. and of course, we had a pandemic and we still not looking at increasing our capacity and they were hiding behind the politicians were hiding behind the scientists. ithink were hiding behind the scientists. i think i think so, tee. — scientists. i think i think so, tee. they— scientists. i think i think so, too. they were— scientists. i think i think so, too. they were hiding behind the scientists. they were not listening to certain other scientists. the great barrington declaration came out of the traps really quickly , sunetra traps really quickly, sunetra gupta and co to say we need to target protection on the vulnerable , make be better at vulnerable, make be better at that. vulnerable, make be better at that . and that's where the care that. and that's where the care homes come in. but they also said you need to consider for the long term implications of locking up healthy young people on your economy , on your mental on your economy, on your mental health crisis, on your nhs , on health crisis, on your nhs, on the long term issues that we're now dealing with. and they were

described fitted. i mean, there was over 100 signatories on that document. and were document. lucy and they were marginalised and they were discredited. and we've seen the emails fauci and america emails from fauci and america saying are fringe saying they are fringe epidemiologists. they saying they are fringe epidemiologists . they were epidemiologists. they were previously greatest the previously the greatest in the world. these questions aren't going answered in this going to get answered in this inquiry, are they? that's exactly right.— inquiry, are they? that's exactly right. and- inquiry, are they? that's exactly right. and i- t: ”g .tititzi e"tiil«t7’ that's exactly right. and i think the may— exactly right. and i think the tmtttty tawyet— exactly right. and i think the inquiry lawyer led inquiry is a wew— inquiry lawyer led inquiry is a very—whttl very good at looking at what mattemet.— very good at looking at what mattemet. eut— very good at looking at what happened. but why happened. but not why they mattemet.— happened. but not why they mattemet. amt— happened. but not why they happened. and it perhaps won't eemettet— happened. and it perhaps won't eemettet tte— happened. and it perhaps won't consider the idea— happened. and it perhaps won't consider the idea that was a teettewm— consider the idea that was a lockdown necessary at all. why did lockdown necessary at all. why ttt we— lockdown necessary at all. why ttt we teet— lockdown necessary at all. why did we lock down— lockdown necessary at all. why did we lock down back in 2005 amt— did we lock down back in 2005 amt ewe— did we lock down back in 2005 amt ewe we— did we lock down back in 2005 and six? we had— did we lock down back in 2005 and six? we had dismiss that ttea— and six? we had dismiss that ttea. why— and six? we had dismiss that ttea. wmy ttt— and six? we had dismiss that idea. why did we— and six? we had dismiss that idea. why did we ever go there? tte— idea. why did we ever go there? the tmtttty— idea. why did we ever go there? me tmtttty te— idea. why did we ever go there? the inquiry is only— idea. why did we ever go there? the inquiry is only going to tte— the inquiry is only going to we met— the inquiry is only going to we met aemt— the inquiry is only going to it's not going to— the inquiry is only going to it's not going to look beyond zeto. — it's not going to look beyond zeto. se— it's not going to look beyond zeto. se tte— it's not going to look beyond 2010. so it's not— it's not going to look beyond 2010. so it's not going to ask mat— 2010. so it's not going to ask that question. _ 2010. so it's not going to ask that question. it's— 2010. so it's not going to ask that question. it's going to you mew.— that question. it's going to you knew t— that question. it's going to you knew t meam— that question. it's going to you know, i mean, i— that question. it's going to you know, i mean, i think matt tameeet— know, i mean, i think matt hancock-now— know, i mean, i think matt hancock now already saying hancock is now already saying mat— hancock is now already saying that tt— hancock is now already saying that it should— hancock is now already saying that it should have been harder, temeet— that it should have been harder, longeft ttt— that it should have been harder, longer, but there— that it should have been harder, longer, but there was no etetttte— longer, but there was no credible evidence at the time mat— credible evidence at the time that seetat— credible evidence at the time that social distancing would tave— that social distancing would have snuffed— that social distancing would have snuffed out a respiratory wate— have snuffed out a respiratory tt— have snuffed out a respiratory virus once it had— have snuffed out a respiratory virus once it had taken hold in aeetmtty— virus once it had taken hold in aeetmtty. se— virus once it had taken hold in a country. so what— virus once it had taken hold in a country. so what we did was tmew— a country. so what we did was tmew away— a country. so what we did was threw away decades of knowledge.

we threw away decades of knowledge. we tmew— threw away decades of knowledge. we tmew away— threw away decades of knowledge. we threw away plans and we threw away— we threw away plans and we threw away eetemee— we threw away plans and we threw away m— we threw away plans and we threw away science in effect and temwemtet— away science in effect and reinvented it. _ away science in effect and reinvented it. ' t: away science in effect and reinvented it. : away science in effect and reinvented it. ' z tititit tzit: reinvented it. and we copied what other countries were doing. lucy we did point, didn't we? mete— lucy we did point, didn't we? there wae— lucy we did point, didn't we? there a— lucy we did point, didn't we? there was a sense of panic. oh ewetytety— there was a sense of panic. oh ewetytety etee — there was a sense of panic. oh everybody else is— there was a sense of panic. oh everybody else is doing it. wett— everybody else is doing it. we-tt tave— everybody else is doing it. we'll have to— everybody else is doing it. we'll have to do it too. and tatew— we'll have to do it too. and labour were— we'll have to do it too. and labour were crying for action tee. — labour were crying for action tee. amt— labour were crying for action tee. amt t— labour were crying for action too. and i think— labour were crying for action too. and i think the government tamtetet— too. and i think the government panicked.ithink_ too. and i think the government panicked.ithink it— too. and i think the government panicked. think it with panicked. i think it did with its panicked. i think it did with tte ee— panicked. i think it did with its 80 majority. e ' t: its 80 majority. that's it. and i think it will be. i think it will be very surprising if the inquiry can actually get to the depth of that because people will come in and just look at these superficial reasons for what went , you know, the what went, you know, the individual things about what went wrong here and there. the children have suffered. perhaps we'll do it again. and not close schools. actually, whole schools. actually, the whole idea locking a society down idea of locking a society down was an experiment. and perhaps we could say should never be repeated. it's interesting to tank— repeated. it's interesting to mm atett— repeated. it's interesting to think about what- ”til: it's interesting to think about what you said then atett— think about what you said then atett tte— think about what you said then about this this— think about what you said then about this this inquiry might wett— about this this inquiry might wew eut— about this this inquiry might work out that— about this this inquiry might work out that what happened, but not necessarily— work out that what happened, but not necessarily the— work out that what happened, but not necessarily the why. because when— not necessarily the why. because when we— not necessarily the why. because when we were saying the tettttetame— when we were saying the politicians panicked, there politicians panicked, yes, there wae-ttete- politicians panicked, yes, there was-there was- politicians panicked, yes, there was there was also was panic, but there was also weetet—wael

was panic, but there was also. vested—was also vested interests there was also memey— vested interests there was also memey-mate. — vested interests there was also money-made. and- vested interests there was also money made. and i am as money to be made. and i am as twtete— money to be made. and i am as twtete wttt— money to be made. and i am as furious with the— money to be made. and i am as furious with the labour about tte— furious with the labour about tte-am— furious with the labour about this-am with— furious with the labour about this-am with the- this as i am with the conservatives. fact, more conservatives. in fact, more i wettt— conservatives. in fact, more i wettt eay— conservatives. in fact, more i wettt eay t— conservatives. in fact, more i would say i have— conservatives. in fact, more i would say i have more anger teeatee— would say i have more anger teeatee every— would say i have more anger because every time that they mps or because every time that they mps ea eeeme— because every time that they mps ea teette m— because every time that they mps or people in positions of power . wmetmet— or people in positions of power . wtettet tt— or people in positions of power , whether it was— or people in positions of power , whether it was nadhim zahawi or , whether it was nadhim zahawi ea wtettet— , whether it was nadhim zahawi ea wtettet tt— , whether it was nadhim zahawi or whether it was— , whether it was nadhim zahawi or whether it was sajid javid, wtettet— or whether it was sajid javid, whetherlwas _ or whether it was sajid javid, whether was johnson and whether it was boris johnson and eemetety— whether it was boris johnson and eemetety m— whether it was boris johnson and somebody in the— whether it was boris johnson and somebody in the house of commons had somebody in the house of commons mat-eeeetttmtty— somebody in the house of commons mat-eeeetttmtty te— somebody in the house of commons had opportunity to stand up had the opportunity to stand up and had the opportunity to stand up amt aet— had the opportunity to stand up amt aet mem— had the opportunity to stand up and ask them questions. they tttmt— and ask them questions. they didn't—weren't- didn't. journalists weren't teme— didn't. journalists weren't tangl— didn't. journalists weren't doinglt tate— didn't. journalists weren't doing , mps weren't didn't. journalists weren't doingl, mps weren't it. doing it, mps weren't doing it. t hey— doing it, mps weren't doing it. they-eemmt— doing it, mps weren't doing it. they-eemmt a- doing it, mps weren't doing it. they getting a free ride. they were getting a free ride. amt— they were getting a free ride. amt-meter— they were getting a free ride. amt-mewet-a- they were getting a free ride. and-never-a time. they were getting a free ride. and never a time in and i've never seen a time in metety— and i've never seen a time in metety wttt— and i've never seen a time in history with that— and i've never seen a time in history with that sort of consensus— history with that sort of consensus when nobody said what is consensus when nobody said what te tte— consensus when nobody said what is the questions— consensus when nobody said what is the questions that let's all wet— is the questions that let's all ttet etee— is the questions that let's all ttet etee tatt— is the questions that let's all just step back here and find em.— just step back here and find ett. ttt— just step back here and find ett. ttt tte— just step back here and find out. but it's a— just step back here and find out. but it's a vote winner. it was unfortunately, it was eetttat— was unfortunately, it was eettta wttt— was unfortunately, it was popular with public was unfortunately, it was popularwith-public well. popular with the public as well. it popular with the public as well. tt wa— popular with the public as well. tt — popular with the public as well. it was was. yeah.— popular with the public as well. it was was. yeah. and- popular with the public as well. e yeah. and yeah, the it was was. yeah. and yeah, the veteew— it was was. yeah. and yeah, the veteew eette— it was was. yeah. and yeah, the yougov polls showed— yougov polls showed consistently, but public health is consistently, but public health te atwaye— consistently, but public health is always about— consistently, but public health is always about advice us or had atwaye— is always about advice us or had atwaye teem— is always about advice us or had always been about— is always about advice us or had always been about advice and ttttamee— always been about advice and atttamee amt— always been about advice and guidance and support. but it waet— guidance and support. but it waet atett— guidance and support. but it wasn't about stigmatising and it waet— wasn't about stigmatising and it waet atett— wasn't about stigmatising and it wasn't about fear— wasn't about stigmatising and it wasn't about fear based meeeaama— wasn't about fear based meeeaama .— wasn't about fear based messaging . and i think that that messaging. and i think that that was a new thing— messaging. and i think that that was a new thing that we did. and i was a new thing that we did. and t ttmt— was a new thing that we did. and t ttmt tte— was a new thing that we did. and i think the public— was a new thing that we did. and i think the public was frightened. -

i think the public was frightened. and i think many eeeme— frightened. and i think many teette etttt— frightened. and i think many people still are— frightened. and i think many people still are frightened, wmet— people still are frightened, wmet wae— people still are frightened, which was wrong. so there was no teat— which was wrong. so there was no one fear was real. _ which was wrong. so there was no one fear was real. the fear was teat.— one fear was real. the fear was teat. ttt— one fear was real. the fear was real, but there _ one fear was real. the fear was real, but there was— one fear was real. the fear was real, but there was no one emeteyet— real, but there was no one emeteyet te— real, but there was no one employed to get people to understand— employed to get people to understand their own individual risk :— understand their own individual met . tte— understand their own individual risk , like everyone thought they risk, like everyone thought they at— risk, like everyone thought they at met— risk, like everyone thought they were at risk because of this ttamtet— were at risk because of this blanket idea— were at risk because of this blanket idea that this was a eeaty— blanket idea that this was a eeaty mme— blanket idea that this was a eeaty tmma. se— blanket idea that this was a scary thing. so we didn't ettattty— scary thing. so we didn't ettattty tt— scary thing. so we didn't stratify it. and- scary thing. so we didn't stratify it. and you know, even etttttem— stratify it. and you know, even children were _ stratify it. and you know, even children were made to be scared. team— children were made to be scared. team wett— children were made to be scared. team yet, we— children were made to be scared. yeah well, we will— children were made to be scared. yeah well, we will carry on watchma— yeah well, we will carry on watching the— yeah well, we will carry on watching the covid inquiry meetet— watching the covid inquiry treat my— watching the covid inquiry through my fingers. ct?" i through my fingers. can you face tem— through my fingers. can you face tew yeam— through my fingers. can you face four years of it? lucy > well, i think. i think— four years of it? lucy > well, i think. i think it's— «ttilttf�*tft c7 itiyt > well, i think. i think it's another way of think. i think it's another way et ttetmt— think. i think it's another way of kicking things— think. i think it's another way of kicking things into the long eaee— of kicking things into the long teae. tem-t— of kicking things into the long grass, isn't it?— of kicking things into the long grass, isn't it? and they can say.— grass, isn't it? and they can eay. wett— grass, isn't it? and they can eay, wat, the — grass, isn't it? and they can say, well, the inquiry will deal wttt— say, well, the inquiry will deal wttt mat.— say, well, the inquiry will deal with that, which— say, well, the inquiry will deal with that, which means that the ewemt— with that, which means that the current administration doesn't tave— current administration doesn't have te— current administration doesn't have to actually,— current administration doesn't have to actually, and by which eemt— have to actually, and by which eemt ttame— have to actually, and by which point blame the— have to actually, and by which point blame the likes of matt tameeet— point blame the likes of matt hancock will— point blame the likes of matt hancock will ridden hancock will have ridden off tate— hancock will have ridden off mte—mel into the sunset, made his mtttteme— into the sunset, made his millions selling into the sunset, made his- millions-selling-books millions from selling his books amt— millions from selling his books amt teme— millions from selling his books amt tetmt-ttey- millions from selling his books and being itiyt i" and being on tv. lucy johnson from the sunday express, thank you so much. right. still to come, after a fiery and vitriolic address last night, we're to look vladimir we're going to look at vladimir putin, his chances of political

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britain's news. channel c britain's news. channel it's me.— britain's news. channel it's me vet-te— britain's news. channel it's 1125. you're with— britain's news. channel it's 1125. you're with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. you've been getting pierce and bev turner. you've teem aettma m— pierce and bev turner. you've been getting in touch- 37�* tziititzi .tit�*t: e. you've been getting in touch this memmt. — been getting in touch this morning. you— been getting in touch this morning. you we were discussing the morning. you we were discussing tte cowo— morning. you we were discussing the covm inquiry— morning. you we were discussing the covm inquiry .— morning. you we were discussing the covid inquiry. leon in wamttem— the covid inquiry. leon in hampton, north hampton says good memtmt— hampton, north hampton says good memmt tet— hampton, north hampton says good memma tew amt— hampton, north hampton says good morning, bev and andrew i tettewe— morning, bev and andrew i believe that— morning, bev and andrew i believe that matt hancock was met— believe that matt hancock was met-m— believe that matt hancock was met-m tte— believe that matt hancock was just-in the grand- believe that matt hancock was just in the grand scheme just a pawn in the grand scheme of

just a pawn in the grand scheme et-wetttm-t— just a pawn in the grand scheme of-wouldn't trust- just a pawn in the grand scheme of wouldn't trust him just a pawn in the grand scheme of clean wouldn't trust him just a pawn in the grand scheme of clean my ivouldn't trust him just a pawn in the grand scheme of clean my car,dn't trust him just a pawn in the grand scheme of clean my car, let trust him just a pawn in the grand scheme of clean my car, let alone him to clean my car, let alone tteeae— to clean my car, let alone ttetate tet— to clean my car, let alone ttetate tea a— to clean my car, let alone prepare for a pandemic. oh, he's met— prepare for a pandemic. oh, he's met-eemet— prepare for a pandemic. oh, he's just-script reader— prepare for a pandemic. oh, he's just script reader who will just the script reader who will eat— just the script reader who will read whatever— just the script reader who will read whatever-in- just the script reader who will read whatever in of him read whatever is in front of him amt—aee- read whatever is in front of him and—also talking| and lots of people also talking atett— and lots of people also talking about education,— and lots of people also talking about education, sex education. tetan— about education, sex education. waet-t— about education, sex education. helen-i disagree- helen says, i disagree with nigel and also says parents should not have veto what should not have a veto over what their in their children are taught in schools. should. schools. they absolutely should. parents children parents produce their children from their bodies. they absolutely, positively should have last but they have the last word, but they won't it. absolutely. and won't get it. absolutely. and eamt— won't get it. absolutely. and sand, sandra— won't get it. absolutely. and sand, sandra ,— won't get it. absolutely. and sand, sandra , this- won't get it. absolutely. and sand, sandra , this is- tutti“ e gtzie e absolutely. and sand, sandra , this is so true. sand, sandra, this is so true. ste— sand, sandra, this is so true. the eat.— sand, sandra, this is so true. the eatt. ttet— sand, sandra, this is so true. she said, just listening to a tew— she said, just listening to a few minutes— she said, just listening to a few minutes of— she said, just listening to a few minutes of that covid meaty.— few minutes of that covid tmtttty. tt— few minutes of that covid inquiry, it makes me realise wtat— inquiry, it makes me realise what a— inquiry, it makes me realise what a waste— inquiry, it makes me realise what a waste of— inquiry, it makes me realise what a waste of time. this is wet— what a waste of time. this is ttet memey— what a waste of time. this is just money making for the tawyeae— just money making for the lawyers. should follow sweden lawyers. we should follow sweden . wtat— lawyers. we should follow sweden . what-tatt— lawyers. we should follow sweden . what-can't use— lawyers. we should follow sweden . what can't use that word . what a i can't use that word tteemmt— . what a i can't use that word tteemmt-et— . what a i can't use that word blooming of hardworking blooming waste of hardworking taxeayete— blooming waste of hardworking taxeayete mey— blooming waste of hardworking taxpayers money. and did you see wttt— taxpayers money. and did you see wttt tte— taxpayers money. and did you see wttt tte eee— taxpayers money. and did you see with the rose and— taxpayers money. and did you see with the rose and rose of etttetate— with the rose and rose of officials in— with the rose and rose of officials in that public inquiry wttet— officials in that public inquiry wttet te— officials in that public inquiry wttet te aemt— officials in that public inquiry which is going to cost hundreds of which is going to cost hundreds et mtttteme— which is going to cost hundreds of millions of— which is going to cost hundreds of millions of pounds ? c of millions of pounds? it's awttt. amt— of millions of pounds? it's awful. and we— of millions of pounds? it's awful. and we say- of millions of pounds? c and we say it will be awful. and we say it will be teme— awful. and we say it will be teme m— awful. and we say it will be done in four— awful. and we say it will be done in four years. - and we say it will be done in four years. just to eemmt— done in four years. just to temmt yew— done in four years. just to remind you, the- done in four years. just to remind you, the inquiry into stmtay— remind you, the inquiry into stmtay teet— remind you, the inquiry into sunday took 12— remind you, the inquiry into sunday took 12 years. i c sunday took 12 years. initial teete— sunday took 12 years. initial etete ttt— sunday took 12 years. initial costs for that £40 million with baroness hallett there, and that is lawyers. ching, ka ching, is lawyers. ka ching, ka ching, ka ching. now let's go back to

tteeta— ka ching. now let's go back to russia because— i g now let's go back to russia because vladimir putin taet— russia because vladimir putin last-delivered- last night delivered a extraordinary speech, rambling longt— extraordinary speech, rambling temotattmt— extraordinary speech, rambling long, talking about how he is going— long, talking about how he is aemt te— long, talking about how he is aemt te emete— long, talking about how he is going to pursue all the mutineers. - going to pursue all the mutineers. g going to pursue all the- mutineers. that's right. and james cleverly, this morning confirmed that if there was a civil war in russia, we wouldn't be able to airlift, airlift out or evacuate british citizens . i or evacuate british citizens. i think that's probably going a bit too far. i think we're going to get to that yet. are we near a civil. but this is what president putin said in his televised address . organisers of televised address. organisers of the rebellion— televised address. organisers of the rebellion betraying- : tit: organisers of the rebellion betraying their eetmtty— the rebellion betraying their country, their— the rebellion betraying their country, their people have tettayet — country, their people have betrayed those _ country, their people have betrayed those who were lured tate— betrayed those who were lured tmte tte — betrayed those who were lured into the crime— betrayed those who were lured into the crime .— betrayed those who were lured into the crime . they lied to into the crime. they lied to them — into the crime. they lied to them .— into the crime. they lied to them , pushed— into the crime. they lied to them , pushed them towards death them, pushed them towards death tmtet— them, pushed them towards death tmtet tte— them, pushed them towards death tmtet tte te— them, pushed them towards death under fire to shoot— them, pushed them towards death under fire to shoot their own teette— under fire to shoot their own teette .— under fire to shoot their own teette . tt— under fire to shoot their own teette . tt wae— under fire to shoot their own people . it was precisely this people. it was precisely this eteme— people. it was precisely this outcome fratricide that russia's enemies wanted— outcome fratricide that russia's enemies wanted .— outcome fratricide that russia's enemies wanted . both the in kyiv enemies wanted. both the in kyiv and enemies wanted. both the in kyiv amt ttett— enemies wanted. both the in kyiv and their western— enemies wanted. both the in kyiv and their western masters and all and their western masters and at eette— and their western masters and at eette et— and their western masters and all sorts of national traitors. they— all sorts of national traitors. ttey wamtet— all sorts of national traitors. they wanted russian soldiers to kill they wanted russian soldiers to tttt eaet— they wanted russian soldiers to kill each other— they wanted russian soldiers to kill each other . _ they wanted russian soldiers to kill each other. ' t: they wanted russian soldiers to kill each other . ' t: ti.ti. kill each other. and of course,

that rambling rant followed a message from the mercenary leader, prigozhin, in which he called his advance on moscow a master class and said the russian public were disappointed when stopped. so let's get when he stopped. so let's get the when he stopped. so let's get tte ttetttte— when he stopped. so let's get the thoughts of— i : so let's get the thoughts of russian expert tamy— the thoughts of russian expert danny armstrong. good morning, tamy— danny. good to see you. what are yew— danny. good to see you. what are yew ttetttte— danny. good to see you. what are yew ttetotte em— danny. good to see you. what are your thoughts on this and what tttm— your thoughts on this and what tttm eatt— your thoughts on this and what putin said last— your thoughts on this and what putin said last night ? well, putin said last night? well, yeah— putin said last night? well, yeah .— putin said last night? well, yeah . et— putin said last night? well, yeah , of course,- putin said last night? well, yeah , of course, the day high yeah, of course, the day high tama— yeah, of course, the day high drama, drama— yeah, of course, the day high drama, drama from prigozhin, ttama— drama, drama from prigozhin, ttama tem— drama, drama from prigozhin, drama from putin. tzi t: drama from putin. he said this announcement would decide the fate of russia. of course, he was nowhere near that. there was nowhere near anything that lived up to that drama. and of course, there was drama in the west that's saying were near that's saying they were near civil russia. of course, civil war in russia. of course, the , the seeds wanting the sowing, the seeds of wanting disarray in russia, of course . i disarray in russia, of course. i mean, putin a kgb agent, as he is , would sort of want people to is, would sort of want people to think that he's weak and want people to think that russia is on the verge of collapse because then his enemies reveal themselves. there's a certain amount that are amount of voices that are talking a psyop in russia, talking about a psyop in russia, whether was planned .

whether this was all planned. one thing people do need to one thing that people do need to realise was that this was never about putin. this was never about putin. this was never about ousting putin. this was never about change in never about a change in leadership. was no leadership. there was no conversations russia conversations in russia about that. himself said that. but igoshin himself said it against the russian it was against the russian ministry of defence, against shoigu gerasimov , who wanted shoigu and gerasimov, who wanted to wagner and his men. to destroy wagner and his men. there was no real conversations in russia about whether prigozhin would be better prigozhin would be a better leader, about whether putin's leadership . and leadership was challenged. and of course, as we see any mutiny or rebellion or armed insurrection, as it's called in russia has simply gone away. and if anything , putin is a master if anything, putin is a master consolidator . if he keeps the consolidator. if he keeps the order and the balance between these rivals and between these factions , ones that are factions, ones that are fractured and infighting wherever they may be. and of course, historically , the armies course, historically, the armies of a nation, whether they be private as the private military company, wagner or the ministry of defence, has , i've posed the of defence, has, i've posed the greatest threat to the leader . greatest threat to the leader. so mean with wagner in exile,

either in exile in belarus or joining the ministry of defence and with prigozhin himself, of course, he's he's lost this mutiny. he's lost this, this, this rebellion. he turned around. he's lost a lot of support that he did have with the russian people . he's also in the russian people. he's also in belarus. i mean, so in terms of if we're looking at what's been reported in the west about about putin, maybe being weaker, it would be the opposite. the west liked to give a sort of a version of events that aren't really portrayed in russia. of course, in russia , where we have course, in russia, where we have we have wagner was seen as heroes and then they became traitors in russia. these people were cutthroats vagabonds were cutthroats and vagabonds and were freedom and then they were freedom fighters they marching fighters when they were marching on kremlin. danny on the kremlin. danny is teoteetam— on the kremlin. danny is boghosian-endl on the kremlin. danny is. boghosian-end up on the kremlin. danny is- boghosian-end up with boghosian going to end up with a ttttet—m— boghosian going to end up with a bullet—in belarus?- bullet in his head in belarus? ttttmt— bullet in his head in belarus? putting.crudely_ bullet in his head in belarus? puttinglcrudely ,- bullet in his head in belarus? putting crudely , he well, putting it crudely, he well, i wetttm-t— putting it crudely, he well, i wouldn't like— putting it crudely, he well, i wouldn't like to— putting it crudely, he well, i wouldn't like to say , i mean wouldn't like to say, i mean eemmt— wouldn't like to say, i mean eemmt tem— wouldn't like to say, i mean coming from somebody who was ttee— coming from somebody who was there tm— coming from somebody who was there in russia— coming from somebody who was there in russia when it all ttetet— there in russia when it all ttetet ett— there in russia when it all kicked off on— there in russia when it all kicked off on february 24th, when— kicked off on february 24th, when tte— kicked off on february 24th, when the invasion was actually memeeat t— when the invasion was actually announced. i was— when the invasion was actually

announced. i was actually the first person to give a translation of putin's speech. so this putin's speech yesterday was of great interest to me. was was of great interest to me. and from what i saw from vladimir putin, he put out this this announcement. vladimir putin, he put out this this announcement . and in direct this announcement. and in direct response to what prigozhin had said , there was an 11 minute, said, there was an 11 minute, more or even more rambling. and, of course, andrew, you said that vladimir putin at the start, he was rambling in his announcements. put announcements. prigozhin put out announcements. prigozhin put out a fantastically theatrical 11 minute audio message on his telegram channel. it was very unapologetic . he telegram channel. it was very unapologetic. he said he did this, this, this march of justice on on moscow for the right reasons. and he didn't offer real any any real signs of remorse. can i just ask you let me just ask you one more question. you're a manchester tey— question. you're a manchester tey. t— question. you're a manchester tey. t mew— question. you're a manchester boy. i know that.— question. you're a manchester boy. i know that. and- : you're a manchester boy. i know that. and you went eut— boy. i know that. and you went ett te— boy. i know that. and you went ett te tteeta— boy. i know that. and you went out to russia and— boy. i know that. and you went out to russia and you were a tem— out to russia and you were a fluent russian— out to russia and you were a fluent russian speaker. and as you— fluent russian speaker. and as yet eat.— fluent russian speaker. and as yet an, yet— fluent russian speaker. and as you said, you were translating tttm-e—a- you said, you were translating tttm-e—a temtl putin's speeches for a long ttme. — putin's speeches for a long ttme. .ttt— putin's speeches for a long time-did he- putin's speeches for a long time. did he seem yesterday time. how did he seem yesterday to time. how did he seem yesterday te—amatyeet- time. how did he seem yesterday to_analysed what- time. how did he seem yesterday to analysed what he to you? you've analysed what he eaye— to you? you've analysed what he eaye-ttmee— to you? you've analysed what he eaye-ttmee te— to you? you've analysed what he says times he seemed to me says many times he seemed to me

like says many times he seemed to me tte te— says many times he seemed to me tte te wae— says many times he seemed to me like he was putting— says many times he seemed to me like he was putting a— says many times he seemed to me like he was putting a clear eeaet— like he was putting a clear message across— like he was putting a clear message across that he is eteme. — message across that he is ettemo. tte— message across that he is strong. t message across that he is- strong. the russian people are strong. the russian people are strong. the russian people are strong. the first thing he did was thank them for their unity. and the second thing he was and the second thing he did was say that the west, they want this fratricide. now, that was something that really evokes strong russian strong emotions in the russian people because from people because any threat from the the russian people the west, the russian people tend together and to be tend to come together and to be unified and to be strong. so in terms of putin being maybe weak and his political career sort of coming an end this , you coming to an end with this, you know, this potential know, this this potential rebellion or mutiny or even civil war, as some people put it, i would say it's exactly the opposite. putin in consolidating his and bringing this his power and bringing this balance stronger. balance could even be stronger. i right. i think i think you're right. i think i ttmt— i think you're right. i think i think that's— i think you're right. i think i thinkthat's interesting think that's an interesting teteteettwe.— think that's an interesting- perspective._danny perspective. thank you, danny ttmettemo— perspective. thank you, danny armstrong, always good to talk to armstrong, always good to talk te yet. — armstrong, always good to talk te yet. -etttt— armstrong, always good to talk to you. -still to - armstrong, always good to talk to you. still to come this to you. now, still to come this memtmo— to you. now, still to come this. metmtt—mew morning, has boris johnson's new tetattemettt— morning, has boris johnson's new relationship national relationship with a national mewetatet— relationship with a national- mewetatet—mte newspaper already got him into ttetttee—te- newspaper already got him intoi trouble?_to-the trouble? we're going to have the tateet— trouble? we're going to have the tateet-yett— trouble? we're going to have the latest your morning's news latest after your morning's news wttt— latest after your morning's news wttt .— latest after your morning's news wttt . tametm— latest after your morning's news with . tamsin nef. with. tamsin nef. thank you. teae— with. tamsin nef. thank you. teae ate— with. tamsin nef. thank you. here are the headlines at 1132 for the health secretary matt

hancock says he is profoundly sorry for each death caused by covid 19 as he gives evidence to the pandemic inquiry during his testimony, mr hancock was asked why there was little or no work done on preparing care homes. he explained he didn't have any data on what was going on in the care homes on the ground before the pandemic. mr hancock also says he was reassured by the world health organisation that the uk was the best placed country in the world to handle the pandemic. then he added that they were wrong in that nicola bully's sister has told an inquest there was a blip in her mental state a month before her death. the inquest also heard from nicola bully's, former gp, who said there was nothing in her medical records to suggest she was suicidal. yesterday the inquest heard that the mother of two died as a result of drowning. nicola bully disappeared in january whilst walking her dog along the river wyre in lancashire . her body was wyre in lancashire. her body was found three weeks later. the new

measures have been announced to tackle the non—consensual sharing of intimate images onune sharing of intimate images online in amendments to the online safety bill will remove the need to prove intent to cause distress, making it easier to charge and convict offenders. those found guilty could face up to six months in jail. those found guilty could face up to six months in jail . and if to six months in jail. and if the intent to distress is proven, a maximum of two years in custody , the government is in custody, the government is being urged to rule out detaining or forcibly remove children to rwanda, whose families are seeking asylum in the uk . the women and equalities the uk. the women and equalities committee says the risks of harm to asylum seeking children outweigh any risk of damage to the government's aim of deterrence through its illegal migration bill. the home office says ministers could spend £169,000 on each person forcibly removed . well, you can get more removed. well, you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news dot com . direct bullion sponsors

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: i mean, we've got the latest from the covid inquiry. watt— latest from the covid inquiry. matt hancock— latest from the covid inquiry. matt hancock ,— latest from the covid inquiry. matt hancock , i— latest from the covid inquiry. matt hancock , i mean,- latest from the covid inquiry. matt hancock, i mean, some pretty desperate stuff for those families wanting answers. pretty desperate stuff for those families wanting answers . we got families wanting answers. we got it completely wrong as we've been indicating. you know, can we buy enough body bags? where are we going? to bury the dead? yeah they were asking the wrong questions instead of preparing. i quite an admission. i mean, it's quite an admission. and also, the last few and he's also, in the last few memete— and he's also, in the last few moments-that- and he's also, in the last few moments that more moments saying that more should tate— moments saying that more should have teem— moments saying that more should have been done— moments saying that more should have been done to— moments saying that more should have been done to prepare for a meter— have been done to prepare for a proper lockdown. _ have been done to prepare for a proper lockdown. yeah, well, so he proper lockdown. yeah, well, so te te— proper lockdown. yeah, well, so he is still speaking. should have been done to ask what is going to the cost benefits of going to be the cost benefits of this in long run? are we this in the long run? are we going to be sitting here in 2023 with a crippling no with a crippling economy and no houses buy? yeah, houses for anyone to buy? yeah, i think they're it.7 yeah, i think they're concentrating etwetety— i think they're concentrating etwetety em— i think they're concentrating obviously on the on human obviously on the on the human teet— obviously on the on the human eeet-m— obviously on the on the human cost,-in terms- obviously on the on the human cost,-in terms of- obviously on the on the human cost, in terms of those cost, though, in terms of those teette— cost, though, in terms of those teette ettette— cost, though, in terms of those people outside the inquiry wamtmt— people outside the inquiry- wanting—could wanting to find out what could tate— wanting to find out what could have teem— wanting to find out what could have been done— wanting to find out what could have been done better. the other mmt— have been done better. the other mmet-mew.— have been done better. the other thing-know,_anglesl have been done better. the other thing know, angles all thing you know, human angles all the thing you know, human angles all tte—tetay— thing you know, human angles all tte—tetay w-wee- thing you know, human angles all the _today we've got. the way through today we've got the way through today we've got tte—tteet- the nicola bullying's quest. her etetet-e— the nicola bullying's quest. her sister's—evidence.- sister's been giving evidence. tee. — sister's been giving evidence. tee. -teatty- sister's been giving evidence. yes. really difficult yes. and it's a really difficult ttettte— yes. and it's a really difficult ttettte tet— yes. and it's a really difficult picture for the— yes. and it's a really difficult picture for the family to get teatee— picture for the family to get because we've _ picture for the family to get because we've got a mental teattt— because we've got a mental teattt ettett— because we've got a mental health expert saying no indication— health expert saying no indication she was depressed. tettee— indication she was depressed. louise cunningham assessor says no, louise cunningham assessor says ete— louise cunningham assessor says ete tat— louise cunningham assessor says ete tatltttt— louise cunningham assessor says no, she hadlblip in— louise cunningham assessor says no, she had blip in a mental

no, she had a blip in a mental teattt— no, she had a blip in a mental health-christmas- no, she had a blip in a mental health-christmas .- no, she had a blip in a mental health christmas . so, health back at christmas. so, you— health back at christmas. so, yet mew— health back at christmas. so, you know what— health back at christmas. so, you know what happened . ' t: you know what happened. and aettatty— you know what happened. and aettatty. tet— you know what happened. and actually, her partner- you know what happened. and actually, her partner has just been speaking, mark, well. been speaking, mark, as well. her partner, ansell, her partner, paul ansell, and he's that he he's been saying that he believes she was reaching for the dogs harness to put the harness on her dog before she fell. and if you remember, she was on that work teams call that was on that work teams call that was still going when she disappeared . and so that disappeared. and so that inquest, it's just so , so sad. inquest, it's just so, so sad. one of the deepest points in that— one of the deepest points in that met— one of the deepest points in that river key— one of the deepest points in that river key to— one of the deepest points in that river key to this is a tettee— that river key to this is a tettee ee— that river key to this is a police news conference. after tte— police news conference. after tte wettest.— police news conference. after the inquest. we now know which we be after. so we're we will be soon after. so we're going have that also, going to have that live. also, the kyiv on what's the latest from kyiv on what's going on belarus, if that going on in belarus, if that makes what is going on? makes sense. what is going on? because we've got a journalist who's been speaking to the belarus because we belarus opposition an because we know this know prigozhin's landed this morning now wagner a morning and now wagner a surrendering all their heavy weapons . have actually put weapons. have they actually put their up? that weapons. have they actually put their up ? that sounds like their hands up? that sounds like wetety— their hands up? that sounds like wetety tet— their hands up? that sounds like victory for putin. _ their hands up? that sounds like victory for putin. well- i : c. it7 that sounds like victory for putin. �*tttttzicc victory for putin. well well, that's the question . as he won that's the question. as he won this particular— that's the question. as he won this particular battle- that's the question. as he won this particular battle ,- as he won this particular battle , but this particular battle, but mayte— this particular battle, but mayte-wat. - this particular battle, but maybe war. ' t: this particular battle, but- maybe-war. and also just maybe not the war. and also just very— maybe not the war. and also just very just about very finally, just about supermarket prices is i'm not sure which camera i'm on. which

camera am i on? oh no, they're not fussy. there you are. how mtet— not fussy. there you are. how mtet ae— not fussy. there you are. how mtet yet— not fussy. there you are. how much are you paying- there you are. how much are you paying at the memet— much are you paying at the memet tet— much are you paying at the moment for your for your eggs, for moment for your for your eggs, tet yete— moment for your for your eggs, tet yett tet— moment for your for your eggs, for your for meat,— moment for your for your eggs, for your for meat, your bread. teeatee— for your for meat, your bread. because supermarket- for your for meat, your bread. because supermarket bosses are being quizzed by mps about have they really as much as they they really done as much as they can to help people with the cost of living the chief of living crisis? the chief executive of morrisons, he's just speaking and he is just been speaking and he is very hopeful that prices are going to start to come down, come down a bit, but not enough, right? don't go anywhere. the profits have gone up. keep these two on for the rest the money two on for the rest of the money that are going to have. that we are going to have. tanya and nigel nelson back in ttttam-e—m- britain's newsroom in just a memet— britain's newsroom in just a memet see— britain's newsroom in just a moment. see-in- britain's newsroom in just a moment. see in a

christys on gb news. i'm gb news tatte— christys on gb news. i'm gb news tatte .— christys on gb news. i'm gb news tatte. — christys on gb news. i'm gb news tatte. tte— christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . it's1142._ christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . it's 1142. you're- radio. it's1142. you're radio. it's 1142. you're with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. well, joining us again to turner. well, joining us again te 90— turner. well, joining us again te 90 tmettt— turner. well, joining us again to go through the— c. well, joining us again to go through the big stories of the to go through the big stories of tte tay— to go through the big stories of tte tay. et— to go through the big stories of the day, our senior political commentator— the day, our senior political commentator nigel nelson. and of course, political— commentator nigel nelson. and of course, political commentator tamya— course, political commentator tamya ttxtem— course, political commentator tanya buxton. good morning to you— tanya buxton. good morning to yet-atatm — tanya buxton. good morning to yet-atatm ttett- tanya buxton. good morning to you again. ttg you both again. right. shall we talk liam fox? has been talk about liam fox? he has been talking about it. what a woman is. tanya well, i'm glad that tee— is. tanya well, i'm glad that me eattet— is. tanya well, i'm glad that he's called it— is. tanya well, i'm glad that he's called it out.— well, i'm glad that he's called it out. you know, me— he's called it out. you know, me eattet— he's called it out. you know, he's called tory,— he's called it out. you know, he's called tory, tory mp . he's called tory, tory mp. temmt— he's called tory, tory mp. remind people— he's called tory, tory mp. remind people who- he's called tory, tory mp. remind people who he he's called tory, tory mp. - remind people who he is. liam fox so liam. former tory- fox so liam. former tory eattmam— fox so liam. former tory chairman, defence chairman, former defence eeetetaty. — chairman, former defence secretary. thank- chairman, former defence secretary. i «tti. chairman, former defence secretary. chairman, former defence- secretary. thank you. there you go.thank secretary. thank you. there you go. thank you very much . but the go. thank you very much. but the fact can he can. he's fact that he can he can. he's one the few politicians that one of the few politicians that are actually standing up and saying there's a minute saying there's just a minute saying there's just a minute saying , for goodness sake, saying, for goodness sake, somewhere along the line we have

to have the facts and rationality in this conversation because do matter. so by because facts do matter. so by him coming out and standing tall and saying, look, a woman is a young female, adult or young , young female, adult or young, whatever it is, not someone with a penis. a woman cannot be someone with a penis, you know, keir starmer cannot say that. he said that very few women. that's right, mrs. i mean the fact that there's no common sense, there's no rationality, there's no fact to this. it's all this airy fairy thinking which is leading our children down a very bad garden path. as discussed garden path. as we've discussed before . and it makes me very before. and it makes me very proud that he's come out. wouldn't be if all the wouldn't it be great if all the politicians just came out and stood against the rubbish and liam, course, remember, he's liam, of course, remember, he's a former gp and did not know that he is so he's got practical experience dealing with experience of dealing with children , problems children and kids, problems about coming out and all that. doctors are now afraid to do that. so i did not know he was a doctor and that makes it even, even better that he's coming out and saying that. but of course,

nigel will disagree with him. of course he will disagree on tte— of course he will disagree on tte-eemee.— of course he will disagree on the-course. let's- of course he will disagree on the course. let's take the basis of course. let's take tte— the basis of course. let's take tte met— the basis of course. let's take tte tttet ttt.— the basis of course. let's take the first bit. absolutely right. mat— the first bit. absolutely right. mat-te— the first bit. absolutely right. ttat-te am- the first bit. absolutely right. that-is an adult. the first bit. absolutely right.- that-is an adult female. that a woman is an adult female. but that a woman is an adult female. ttt ttt— that a woman is an adult female. ttt ttt tm— that a woman is an adult female. ttt ttt m taw— that a woman is an adult female. ttt ttt m taw .— that a woman is an adult female. but but in law , for— that a woman is an adult female. but but in law , for most but but in law, for most ttmeeee— but but in law, for most ttmeeee. a— but but in law, for most purposes, a woman can also be amt— purposes, a woman can also be amt ttte— purposes, a woman can also be amt ttte te— purposes, a woman can also be amt ttte te m— purposes, a woman can also be and this is in the— purposes, a woman can also be and this is in the dictionary definitions— and this is in the dictionary definitions nowadays can also tate— definitions nowadays can also have teem— definitions nowadays can also have been born— definitions nowadays can also have been born a— definitions nowadays can also have been born a man and this is where— have been born a man and this is where tte— have been born a man and this is where tte taw— have been born a man and this is where the law is— have been born a man and this is where the law is an.— have been born a man and this is where the law is an. well, well, the where the law is an. well, well, tte taw— where the law is an. well, well, tte taw mtttt— where the law is an. well, well, the law might be,— where the law is an. well, well, the law might be, but it is the taw. — the law might be, but it is the taw. se. — the law might be, but it is the taw. se. se— the law might be, but it is the taw. se. se tt— the law might be, but it is the law. so. so it follows from that that— law. so. so it follows from that that a— law. so. so it follows from that that a wemam— law. so. so it follows from that that a woman can— law. so. so it follows from that that a woman can have a penis. teaee— that a woman can have a penis. teaee tt— that a woman can have a penis. teaee tt yet— that a woman can have a penis. because if you get— that a woman can have a penis. because if you get a gender teeeomtttem— because if you get a gender recognition certificate, you can get ee— recognition certificate, you can get one without— recognition certificate, you can get one without having any ettoety— get one without having any ettoety .— get one without having any surgery , without having any surgery, without having any tttetty— surgery, without having any puberty blockers , without having puberty blockers, without having any etteette— puberty blockers, without having any etteette ee— puberty blockers, without having any opposite sex hormone ons. amt— any opposite sex hormone ons. amt ttem — any opposite sex hormone ons. and from that— any opposite sex hormone ons. and from that point onward , as and from that point onward, as you— and from that point onward, as yet ae— and from that point onward, as you are regarded— and from that point onward, as you are regarded again for most ttmeeee— you are regarded again for most purposes, obviously women's etaee— purposes, obviously women's etaee te— purposes, obviously women's etaee te am— purposes, obviously women's space is an issue,— purposes, obviously women's space is an issue, women's ettette— space is an issue, women's etette am— space is an issue, women's sports an issue— space is an issue, women's sports an issue .- space is an issue, women's sports an issue . so you can't go sports an issue. so you can't go to sports an issue. so you can't go te tatt— sports an issue. so you can't go te tatt wttt— sports an issue. so you can't go to jail with with— sports an issue. so you can't go to jail with with male genitalia or women's jail— to jail with with male genitalia or women's jail with with male temttatta— or women's jail with with male temttatta .— or women's jail with with male oemttatta . ttt— or women's jail with with male genitalia. but in— or women's jail with with male genitalia . but in most other genitalia. but in most other teeteete— genitalia. but in most other teeteete. yet— genitalia. but in most other respects, you can get a driving tteemee. — respects, you can get a driving tteemee. vet— respects, you can get a driving licence. you can— respects, you can get a driving licence. you can change your ttttt— licence. you can change your birth certificate— licence. you can change your birth certificate and get a taeetett— birth certificate and get a taeetett. ee— birth certificate and get a

passport. so in- birth certificate and get a passport. so in law, that is the teetttem— passport. so in law, that is the teetttem at— passport. so in law, that is the position at the— passport. so in law, that is the position at the moment. ' t: position at the moment. and unfortunately, _ position at the moment. and unfortunately, it's— position at the moment. and unfortunately, it's a very wrong position because either is or it isn't . it is position because either is or it isn't. it is or it isn't. and it clearly isn't. because if you can't go to a prison and if you can't, you know, shouldn't be able to compete in in women's sports and you shouldn't be going into spaces that are women only, it clearly that's why the law needs to be updated. i mean, this goes back to the— c. i mean, this goes back to the gender teeeomtttem— this goes back to the gender recognition act— this goes back to the gender recognition act 2004. so we're atmeet— recognition act 2004. so we're atmeet to — recognition act 2004. so we're almost 20 years— recognition act 2004. so we're almost 20 years out of date with me.— almost 20 years out of date with ttte. t— almost 20 years out of date with ttte. t meam— almost 20 years out of date with ttte. t tt— almost 20 years out of date with this. i mean, it really does meet— this. i mean, it really does meet te— this. i mean, it really does meet te te— this. i mean, it really does need to be relooked at, tatttettatty— need to be relooked at, particularly for those issues. i meamlt— particularly for those issues. i meam|t agree— particularly for those issues. i mean i agree absolutely about mean, i agree absolutely about women's spaces. i— mean, i agree absolutely about women's spaces. i think that emty— women's spaces. i think that women only spaces is absolutely mett— women only spaces is absolutely ttttt .— women only spaces is absolutely ttttt . t— women only spaces is absolutely mott . t mmt— women only spaces is absolutely right . i think it's— women only spaces is absolutely right . i think it's absolutely right. i think it's absolutely mett— right. i think it's absolutely mom that— right. i think it's absolutely right that somebody with male temttatta— right that somebody with male genitalia should— right that somebody with male genitalia should not go to a to a women's prison.— genitalia should not go to a to a women's prison. these are the tmt— a women's prison. these are the tmt et— a women's prison. these are the tmt et ttte— a women's prison. these are the kind of bits that— a women's prison. these are the kind of bits that need to be eteatet— kind of bits that need to be eteatet “pt— kind of bits that need to be cleared up, rather like sport is oettmt— cleared up, rather like sport is now getting around to doing at the now getting around to doing at tte memet — now getting around to doing at the moment. but— now getting around to doing at the moment. i g the moment. but the main thing i think is that this shouldn't be infiltrating our schools and affecting children. me, affecting our children. for me, that's starts. whatever that's where it starts. whatever adults do say to adults want to do and say to each other, fine, do, do

each other, that's fine, do, do and say and whatever you please, it's fine. but stop confusing children. is confusing children. and it is confusing children. and it is confusing children. children the children. children are the children. children are the children who might be gay and now thinking, well, in now thinking, well, maybe i'm in the body, which great the wrong body, which is a great mistake. have mistake. or those that have other issues. and when you have anxiety, you're anxiety, when you're self—harming. day, was self—harming. in my day, it was self—harming. in my day, it was self harming and anorexia. a lot of my friends people that i of my friends and people that i knew that. i think they knew had that. i think they might the gender thing now might be in the gender thing now because nobody's you've just got to questions. because nobody's you've just got to there questions. because nobody's you've just got to there a questions. because nobody's you've just got to there a more questions. because nobody's you've just got to there a more in questions. because nobody's you've just got to there a more in deep stions. because nobody's you've just got to there a more in deep inquiry is there a more in deep inquiry need to be made to these children before just all emphatically accepting what they're right. they're saying? yeah, right. semeeme— they're saying? yeah, right. someone—carei they're saying? yeah, right.- someone_care less someone who couldn't care less atett— someone who couldn't care less atett ttte— someone who couldn't care less about this sort— someone who couldn't care less about this sort of— someone who couldn't care less about this sort of issue. tteettemt— about this sort of issue. president putin. he's got much more important— president putin. he's got much more important on his on more important things on his on his more important things on his on tte-meet. — more important things on his on tte-meet. tee- more important things on his on his nigel. he's denounced his hands. nigel. he's denounced this rebellion— his hands. nigel. he's denounced this rebellion ,— his hands. nigel. he's denounced this rebellion , but— his hands. nigel. he's denounced this rebellion , but urges this rebellion, but urges tteetame— this rebellion, but urges russians to— this rebellion, but urges russians to forgive the mteatttet— russians to forgive the misguided mercenary. " misguided mercenary. this is me— misguided mercenary. this is ttte te— misguided mercenary. this is ttte te tte— misguided mercenary. this is this is the weirdest story. it i don't think anybody dodi knows exactly what is going on here. we've had endless experts coming out. but certainly yesterday the prime minister didn't know what was happening. the foreign secretary didn't know what was happening. and we get we

happening. and yes, we get we get this sort contradictory get this sort of contradictory lines coming out of moscow. so on one hand, he's saying, yep , on one hand, he's saying, yep, i'll everybody . prigozhin i'll pardon everybody. prigozhin will go off to belarus and that will go off to belarus and that will be the end of it. and then then he's talking about punishing the mutineers. was there's something else going on that we don't know about because i can't see that prigozhin ever thought he would be able to spark off a military coup? he says it was never his intention. so what was he doing? marching on moscow ? did he want to just. on moscow? did he want to just. just cause a civil war? don't know. well, isn't it that the ttmtetty— know. well, isn't it that the ttmtetty et— well, isn't it that the ministry of defence was unhappy wttt— ministry of defence was unhappy wttt ttm — ministry of defence was unhappy wttt ttm amt— ministry of defence was unhappy with him and wanted to get rid of with him and wanted to get rid et mm— with him and wanted to get rid et ttm anyway— with him and wanted to get rid of him anyway and he's kind of teme— of him anyway and he's kind of teme ett— of him anyway and he's kind of gene ett tm— of him anyway and he's kind of teme ett m em— of him anyway and he's kind of gone out in on his— of him anyway and he's kind of gone out in on his own terms? the— gone out in on his own terms? the mewe— gone out in on his own terms? the mewe tew— gone out in on his own terms? who knows how much money he's teem— who knows how much money he's teem tatte— who knows how much money he's teem tatte t— who knows how much money he's teem tatte t t— who knows how much money he's been paid? i i mean,— who knows how much money he's been paid? i i mean, who's paid mm— been paid? i i mean, who's paid ttm amt— been paid? i i mean, who's paid ttm amt tew— been paid? i i mean, who's paid him and how much? because that's taeteatty— him and how much? because that's basically-works— him and how much? because that's basically-works in- him and how much? because that's basically works in that basically how it works in that part— basically how it works in that tart—tt- basically how it works in that tart—t te- part of the world. it is a mttty— part of the world. it is a mttty. tatt— part of the world. it is a murky, dark sea of corruption. att— murky, dark sea of corruption. ttt-ate— murky, dark sea of corruption. and-are reports- murky, dark sea of corruption. and-are reports now,- murky, dark sea of corruption. and-are reports now, too,| and there are reports now, too, that giving up some of that they're giving up some of their armaments. us yeah, their heavy armaments. us yeah, that's yes. i

their heavy armaments. us yeah, that's-yes. i mean- their heavy armaments. us yeah, that's-yes. i mean i- that's right. yes. i mean i tte— that's right. yes. i mean i mean, the other worry is if they teatty— mean, the other worry is if they teatty te— mean, the other worry is if they teatty te tate— mean, the other worry is if they really do have 25,000 fighters, if really do have 25,000 fighters, tt ttey-we— really do have 25,000 fighters, tt ttey-we-et- really do have 25,000 fighters, if they've-of jail,- if they've taken out of jail, wtete— if they've taken out of jail, wtete-ttey— if they've taken out of jail, where they going to end up where are they going to end up at? where are they going to end up at at— where are they going to end up at ttt-emt— where are they going to end up at tt-emt et— where are they going to end up at? at-end of all- where are they going to end up at? at end of all this? is at? at the end of all this? is it at? at the end of all this? is tt te— at? at the end of all this? is tt te att— at? at the end of all this? is it is all really— at? at the end of all this? is it is all really dangerous. but the it is all really dangerous. but tte ttea— it is all really dangerous. but the idea that— it is all really dangerous. but the idea that could have the idea that they could have ever—ttet- the idea that they could have etee—ttet aemt- the idea that they could have ever just going to ever taken over just going to go twe— ever taken over just going to go ttwe teatee— ever taken over just going to go live because putin— ever taken over just going to go live because putin would just to let live because putin would just to tet-mew.— live because putin would just to tet-mew-te- live because putin would just to let know, is speaking let you know, putin is speaking atatm — let you know, putin is speaking atatm -teatmt- let you know, putin is speaking again. _hearing a- let you know, putin is speakingj again. -hearing a lot. again. so we're hearing a lot. so obviously feeling so he's obviously feeling emboldened. he's longer emboldened. he's no longer hiding third time hiding away. he's third time ttttete— hiding away. he's third time furious, isn't— hiding away. he's third timei furious, isn't-yeah. but hiding away. he's third time- furious, isn't-yeah. but you furious, isn't he? yeah. but you mew.— furious, isn't he? yeah. but you knew atee— furious, isn't he? yeah. but you know, also that— furious, isn't he? yeah. but you know, also that if— furious, isn't he? / but you know, also that if you're teetmt— know, also that if you're teetmo at— know, also that if you're looking at social media and what some some of people from the some some of the people from the weet— some some of the people from the weet-tome— some some of the people from the weet-twtmt-te- some some of the people from the weet-twtmt-te tt- some some of the people from the west-trying-is if in- west were trying to say is if in tmt— west were trying to say is if in tmt et— west were trying to say is if in kind of disguise— west were trying to say is if in kind of disguise is this that we wete-tte.— kind of disguise is this that we were -this, we- kind of disguise is this that we were-this, we as- kind of disguise is this that we were-this, we as in- kind of disguise is this that we were this, we as in the were behind this, we as in the uk were behind this, we as in the tt et— were behind this, we as in the tt et tte— were behind this, we as in the uk or the west— were behind this, we as in the uk or the west generally would be uk or the west generally would te teatty— uk or the west generally would be really down— uk or the west generally would be really down with it if we wettt— be really down with it if we wetttlwety— be really down with it if we would very dangerous if we would be very dangerous if we amt— would be very dangerous if we were and what's— would be very dangerous if we were and what's going on. but, you— were and what's going on. but, yet mew.— were and what's going on. but, you know, these— were and what's going on. but, you know, these guys, they do what— you know, these guys, they do what-te— you know, these guys, they do what- do . money. - you know, these guys, they do what-do.money. so what they do for money. yeah. so we— what they do for money. yeah. so wte tet— what they do for money. yeah. so wte tet memeye— what they do for money. yeah. so who for money? who gave him the to who for money? who gave him the te memey— who for money? who gave him the te memey-where- who for money? who gave him the to money-where did- who for money? who gave him the to money where did it to money do this? where did it teme — to money do this? where did it come from? -come. to money do this? where did it. come from? -come from? come from? i mean, come from? biden come out and denied biden has come out and denied it. he's made a statement saying that we didn't pay prigozhin to go away and desert russian go away and desert the russian army . i think it's plausible army. i think it's plausible

they obviously have to because some these somebody paid them, somebody paid him, somebody paid him. but has it backfired now, nigelt_ him. but has it backfired now, wttet tt— him. but has it backfired now, wtoet tt te— him. but has it backfired now, nigelt tt te te— i but has it backfired now, nigel, if he is giving up his armaments we're nigel, if he is giving up his- armaments-we're now armaments and putin we're now teame—a— armaments and putin we're now hearing _ a third - hearing speaking for a third ttme— hearing speaking for a third ttme-we— hearing speaking for a third time we thought he'd hearing speaking for a third time a we thought he'd hearing speaking for a third time a runner. t thought he'd hearing speaking for a third time a runner. / it he'd hearing speaking for a third time a runner. t/tzitit" petersburg done a runner. yeah. petersburg mtttatty— done a runner. yeah. petersburg tmtttatty amt— done a runner. yeah. petersburg initially and we— done a runner. yeah. petersburg initially and we think— done a runner. / petersburg initially and we think in tetatte— initially and we think in belarus now— initially and we think in belarus now and that's that te— belarus now and that's that te te— belarus now and that's that seems to be where he's ended up amt— seems to be where he's ended up amt tte— seems to be where he's ended up and the question— seems to be where he's ended up and the question then obviously is and the question then obviously te wtettet— and the question then obviously te wtettet et— and the question then obviously is whether or not— and the question then obviously is whether or not this whole etteete— is whether or not this whole etteete tae— is whether or not this whole episode has weakened putin's atttettty— episode has weakened putin's atttettty et— episode has weakened putin's authority or not. _ episode has weakened putin's authority or not. 7ttif”tiil �*titti. authority or not. the mere fact that putin keeps coming out and talking about it would suggest he thinks it has, then he thinks it has weakened. yes. so he has to it has weakened. yes. so he has te teet— it has weakened. yes. so he has te teet etewmt— it has weakened. yes. so he has to keep showing that— c : yes. so he has to keep showing that he's the tm— to keep showing that he's the man in charge. _ to keep showing that he's the man in charge. yes. but you see, danny armstrong's take was very interesting earlier, our russian expert, saying expert, because he was saying that ways this might that in some ways this might strengthen to russian strengthen putin to the russian people. what did people. yeah, because what did they— people. yeah, because what did they-wamte— people. yeah, because what did they-want? what— people. yeah, because what did they-want? what-did. yeah, because what did they want? what did not they not want? what they did not wamt— they not want? what they did not watt-ett— they not want? what they did not want-civil war— they not want? what they did not want-civil war on _ they not want? what they did not want civil war on their want is a civil war on their tawememte— want is a civil war on their pavements and— want is a civil war on their pavements and those pictures, wttet— pavements and those pictures, wttet ame— pavements and those pictures, which came-over- pavements and those pictures, which came over the weekend which came out over the weekend teetet— which came out over the weekend teetet tte— which came out over the weekend looked like that— which came out over the weekend looked like that was what was atett— about to happen, didn't it? a eettte— about to happen, didn't it? a eettte-mttee- about to happen, didn't it? a couple-miles or- about to happen, didn't it? a. couple-miles or.from couple of100 miles or so from tteeew— couple of100 miles or so from tteeew .they— couple of 100 miles or so from moscow.-they were- couple of 100 miles or so from moscow. they were put on the moscow. and they were put on the etteete— moscow. and they were put on the etteete amt — moscow. and they were put on the etteete amt we— moscow. and they were put on the streets and we were— moscow. and they were put on the streets and we were genuinely ttetttt— streets and we were genuinely ttetttt-taemt- streets and we were genuinely thought facing civil thought we were facing a civil

war-bloodshed— thought we were facing a civil war-bloodshed of- thought we were facing a civil war bloodshed of russian war and bloodshed of russian teete— war and bloodshed of russian teette. teat.— war and bloodshed of russian teette. teat. tt— war and bloodshed of russian people. yeah, if has people. yeah, if putin has atettet— people. yeah, if putin has averted somehow now, people. yeah, if putin has- averted-somehow now, then averted that, somehow now, then they— averted that, somehow now, then ttey-ttm — averted that, somehow now, then ttey-ttm ae— averted that, somehow now, then ttey-ttm ae a— averted that, somehow now, then they-him as a hero- averted that, somehow now, then they him as a hero again. they see him as a hero again. mat-e— they see him as a hero again. ttat-e wtat— they see him as a hero again. ttat-e wtat t— they see him as a hero again. that's what i mean— they see him as a hero again. that's what i mean about- they see him as a hero again. that's what i mean about we really don't what is what really don't know what is what is behind could is lying behind this. it could be absolutely whole thing be absolutely the whole thing was staged. yeah. that the was staged. yeah. that at the end putin end of the day that putin becomes the two of them. yeah. and putin becomes a saviour. i mean , we're now going into the mean, we're now going into the realms of mad conspiracy realms of sort of mad conspiracy theory. but you know what? but realms of sort of mad conspiracy thecwould it you know what? but realms of sort of mad conspiracy thecwould neverknow what? but realms of sort of mad conspiracy thecwould never knowwhat? but realms of sort of mad conspiracy thecwould never know with? but realms of sort of mad conspiracy thecwould never know with these you would never know with these teette. — you would never know with these people. - plausible - you would never know with these people. yeah, people. it's plausible. yeah, ttt— people. it's plausible. yeah, ttt tte— people. it's plausible. yeah, but it's possible. _ people. it's plausible. yeah, but it's possible. i- people. yeah, but it's possible. ”til’7ttiil’7t but it's possible. i remember the media is absolutely the state media is absolutely controlled russia as so controlled in russia as well. so we're getting version. we're only getting one version. yes, right. that's right. yes, that's right. that's right. teat. — yes, that's right. that's right. teat. ttttt— yes, that's right. that's right. yeah. right. shall- yes, that's right. that's right. yeah. ttg yeah. right. shall we talk about something different? something completely different? let's a fun one, shall we? let's have a fun one, shall we? teat. t— let's have a fun one, shall we? teat. tttmt— let's have a fun one, shall we? yeah. i think this— let's have a fun one, shall we? / i think this story. well, yeah. i think this story. well, etay— yeah. i think this story. well, etay-we— yeah. i think this story. well, etay-we wamt- yeah. i think this story. well, okay,-we want a- t/tzitit" i think this story. well, okay, we want a fun okay, well, if we want a fun hew— okay, well, if we want a fun one. how-have- okay, well, if we want a fun one. how have we got? let's one. how long have we got? let's go. one. how long have we got? let's tte-atett— one. how long have we got? let's te-atett tteetam- go. let's talk about meghan matte-e— go. let's talk about meghan markle's fall— go. let's talk about meghan markle's fall from grace. oh, i mew— markle's fall from grace. oh, i knew .— markle's fall from grace. oh, i knew . t— markle's fall from grace. oh, i knew . t mew.— markle's fall from grace. oh, i know , i know. andrew's enjoy know, i know. andrew's enjoy ttte. — know, i know. andrew's enjoy ttte. ott— know, i know. andrew's enjoy ttte. out very— know, i know. andrew's enjoy this. our very own- know, i know. andrew's enjoy this. til.” will tit“ know, i know. andrew's enjoy this. our very own dan wootton did a great take on this in his column. basically, he said, you know, taylor swift can take you down, you know, in one of her songs, she about you, songs, if she talks about you, she can you yeah, she

she can take you down. yeah, she didn't bother to write out didn't even bother to write out a to her. so meghan a reply to her. so meghan requested that taylor swift would on her podcast, which would come on her podcast, which are defunct, aren't they? are now defunct, aren't they? yeah. million. was she given yeah. 20 million. was she given or give back or or she's having to give back or whatever she asked whatever now. and so she asked taylor to go on it. and, taylor swift to go on it. and, you know, taylor swift must get hundreds of requests to go on podcasts and do lots of things. and you know, she'll only reply to the important people personally. and she didn't bother reply it. she just bother to reply to it. she just got one of her minions to say, no thanks. humiliating, humiliating— no thanks. humiliating, humiliating and- tti humiliating, humiliating and well humiliating and so well teeewet. — humiliating and so well deserved. -,- humiliating and so well deserved. " humiliating and so well- deserved. -, when she deserved. yeah, when she was trying to batter up, senators was called introducing herself as this is duchess of as this is the duchess of sussex. yeah. you think she mtttt— sussex. yeah. you think she mtatt eay— sussex. yeah. you think she might say hello?— 53.t;t;tzi,t< t/tzitit" you think she might say hello? i'm meghan matte.— might say hello? i'm meghan markle.-especially| might say hello? i'm meghan. markle.-especially in markle. meghan. especially in america. especially america, america. especially in america, it this one that it does seem with this one that there were big box office when they were spilling the secrets of the royal family. that's what everyone to hear. now everyone wanted to hear. now they're trying to branch out and become kind of media figures and produce things. and they're not interesting. exactly dim. they are both too dim . yeah, they are both too dim. yeah, they don't they don't have a sparkle.

there is no shine. there's no not like you two guys coming out. you know what they don't have? you know what they don't have — have? you know what they don't have tamya— have? you know what they don't have tamya ttey— 7 you know what they don't have. tanya they don't have any teat— have. tanya they don't have any teat memte— have. tanya they don't have any real friends telling— have. tanya they don't have any real friends telling them the ttttt. — real friends telling them the ttttt. .tmew. — real friends telling them the truth. know, some days truth. you know, some days i eeme-tamya- truth. you know, some days i come-tanya will- truth. you know, some days i come tanya will come truth. you know, some days i- come -tanya will come in come in here, tanya will come in amt— come in here, tanya will come in amt ete-tt— come in here, tanya will come in and she'll look— come in here, tanya will come in and she'll look at— come in here, tanya will come in and she'll look at me and she'll go, and she'll look at me and she'll got on— and she'll look at me and she'll got on yet— and she'll look at me and she'll got on yet meet— and she'll look at me and she'll go, oh, you need a— and she'll look at me and she'll go, oh, you need a bit more tttetet— go, oh, you need a bit more blusher.today.- go, oh, you need a bit more blusher today. and she gets blusher on today. and she gets a tttet— blusher on today. and she gets a ttt-eee.— blusher on today. and she gets a brush-see,-samel blusher on today. and she gets ai brush-see,-same to brush out. you see, the same to me. gives me a gives- brush out. you see, the same to me. gives me a gives me- brush out. t/ti. gives me a gives me a little me. gives me a gives me a little tetet— me. gives me a gives me a little tetet up-_ me. gives me a gives me a little tetet tt. we.— me. gives me a gives me a little tetet tt. we. t— me. gives me a gives me a little touch up. no, i don't— gives me a gives me a little touch up. no, i don't think ttey-we— touch up. no, i don't think ttey-we aet— touch up. no, i don't think ttey-we tet amy— touch up. no, i don't think they've got any friends in their life they've got any friends in their ttte mat— they've got any friends in their ttte ttat ae— they've got any friends in their life that are completely honest wttt— life that are completely honest with _ because - life that are completely honest. with _ because they've with them. no. because they've got of anybody that tries to got rid of anybody that tries to speak the truth. you know, they've everyone. so they've got rid of everyone. so they're in position, they're in this position, tawem-t— they're in this position, haven't even- they're in this position, haven't even got family who can tell them because she doesn't eteat—te- tell them because she doesn't. speak_ he doesn't speak to her family. he doesn't speak— speak to her family. he doesn't meat to— speak to her family. he doesn't speak to his. exactly.- speak to her family. he doesn't speak to his. exactly. it's- speak to his. exactly. it's extraordinary. _ speak to his. exactly. it's extraordinary. it's- i exactly. it's extraordinary. it's but i think it's extraordinary. it's but i think tt-e wett— extraordinary. it's but i think it's well deserved by her. the tact— it's well deserved by her. the taet ttat— it's well deserved by her. the fact that taylor— it's well deserved by her. the fact that taylor swift, who wettt—ttatl fact that taylor swift, who . would _that she would have thought that she wettt— would have thought that she wettt-eme— would have thought that she would-one that- would have thought that she- would-one that-going would be the one that was going to would be the one that was going te-tttmt— would be the one that was going te-tttmt ttm— would be the one that was going to-bring him down,- to really bring him down, mat-tt— to really bring him down, that'll-that- to really bring him down, that'll-that will. to really bring him down,- that'll-that will really that'll hurt. that will really hurt. markle that'll hurt. that will really hurt. -markle and. that'll hurt. that will reallyi hurt-markle and it that'll hurt. that will really- hurt. -markle and it would hurt. meghan markle and it would be hurt. meghan markle and it would te wttety— hurt. meghan markle and it would be widely reported— hurt. meghan markle and it would be widely reported in— ”c meghan markle and it would be widely reported in america, where—very. where they need to be very tetttat— where they need to be very tetttat te— where they need to be very popular to make their money. ateetttety. — popular to make their money. absolutely. and _ popular to make their money. absolutely. and then- popular to make their money. absolutely. and then your- absolutely. and then your crystal what crystal ball. nigel, what tatteme— crystal ball. nigel, what happens-sussexes|

crystal ball. nigel, what happens-sussexes do happens to the sussexes now? do you happens to the sussexes now? do yet—mett— happens to the sussexes now? do yet—meat tew- you think, in the next few yeatee — you think, in the next few yeatee t— you think, in the next few years? i only— you think, in the next few years? i only just- you think, in the next few years? you think, in the next few- years? i only just think they're kind of quietly disappear. i believe so because i just don't see go, they go see where they go, where they go from they've, they've, from here. they've, they've, they've the bombshells. they've dropped the bombshells. they've they've dropped the bombshells. they' with the royal family royal with the royal family unpopular in britain. i think they've got enough money to quietly retire. can i just put in quietly retire. can i just put m wtat— quietly retire. can i just put in whatithink's_ c. tziccy ”cc ”ti: can i just put in what think's going to in what i think's going to tateet— in what i think's going to happen within— in what i think's going to happen within the five happen within the next five yeatee— happen within the next five. years?_markle years? go on. meghan markle matte-e— years? go on. meghan markle ttattte-e—ttmi markle's going to leave him. ye...— markle's going to leave him.- teat—tet. yeah, because he's done his job. vet— yeah, because he's done his job. vet-tet— yeah, because he's done his job. vet-tet wtat- yeah, because he's done his job. you-got what she- you know, she got what she meetet— you know, she got what she needed from _ you know, she got what she needed from him. she doesn't tewe—we- needed from him. she doesn't tete—we eme- needed from him. she doesn't. love—no one treats love him. no one. no one treats tet— love him. no one. no one treats tet-mat— love him. no one. no one treats tet-ttat-tteyl love him. no one. no one treats. her-that-they love her man like that when they love mm.— her man like that when they love ttm—tewe- her man like that when they love ttm—tewe ttml him. so she doesn't love him. stee— him. so she doesn't love him. ste-e aemt— him. so she doesn't love him. ste-e aemt te— him. so she doesn't love him. she's going to leave him. and ttem—taetl she's going to leave him. and. then—back with then he's going to go back with his then he's going to go back with tte-tetweem— then he's going to go back with his-between his— then he's going to go back with his between his legs his tail between his legs to his tamtty—twe- his tail between his legs to his family._five years.| his tail between his legs to hisi family._five years. family. yeah within five years. ttt— family. yeah within five years. ttt-tat— family. yeah within five years. but-has political- but she still has political ambitions of her own, doesn't she? does. she? of course she does. hilarious. yeah. yeah,- hilarious. yeah. yeah, yeah. mete-e.— there's. there's no one more dim ttam—ttel than those that don't know the ttm. —te— than those that don't know the ttm. —tt te- than those that don't know the ttm. —tt te a- than those that don't know thei dim. _to be a nancy dim. she wants to be a nancy pelosi figure. a woman speaker in america. very powerful figure in america. of course, the woman to the to speaker. yeah. one of the most after the most powerful after the president. yeah. you think president. yeah. do you think she's future as she's got a future as a politician? no. you're supposed to politician? no. you're supposed te te— politician? no. you're supposed te te em— politician? no. you're supposed te te em tet— politician? no. you're supposed to be on her side. _ c ti. it7 no. you're supposed to be on her side. t/ti. ”ti: to be on her side. you're the tetty— to be on her side. you're the lefty normally. but to be on her side. you're the. lefty-normally. butidon't lefty you normally. but i don't think lefty you normally. but i don't ttmt—tetti lefty you normally. but i don't. ttmt—tett et think meghan markle is a left or atett— think meghan markle is a left or atett — think meghan markle is a left or right issue. really?— think meghan markle is a left or right issue. t7 �*tttttzicc right issue. really? well, i

don't you don't know, actually. do you know you know what you could do? you eettt— know what you could do? you could—political. could put on your political etttet— could put on your political etttet-amt— could put on your political editor and could could put on your political- editor-and-could message editor hat and you could message her editor hat and you could message tet-eay— editor hat and you could message tet-eay. t— editor hat and you could message tet-eay. t wamt— editor hat and you could message her say, i want interview her and say, i want to interview you— her and say, i want to interview yet—etttet. - her and say, i want to interview you—editor. shel you as a political editor. she twe— you as a political editor. she give yet— you as a political editor. she give you at— you as a political editor. t: i'll you as a political editor. g i'll try give you an interview. i'll try it. she would be— g i'll try it. she would be flattered by mat.— it. she would be flattered by mat-etee- it. she would be flattered by that, she? typekit her that, wouldn't she? typekit her own gb news yeah, she wouldn't me— ttt- come on with us too. but she. teat.— come on with us too. but she. yeah, that. she'll she'll yeah, do that. she'll be. she'll be deeply flattered. so be deeply flattered. right so we have end of our have come to the end of our show. tonya. thank show. thank you, tonya. thank you, coming you, nigel. as always. coming up next desk with mark next is the live desk with mark longhurst tomson we'll longhurst and pip tomson we'll be back with britain's newsroom longhurst and pip tomson we'll be gb:k with britain's newsroom longhurst and pip tomson we'll be gb:k wititomorrow newsroom longhurst and pip tomson we'll be gb:k wititomorrow ne 930. m longhurst and pip tomson we'll be gb:k wititomorrow ne 930. see on gb news tomorrow at 930. see you . hello, alex deakin you then. hello, alex deakin teae— you then. hello, alex deakin teae wttt— you then. hello, alex deakin here with your— c'ttiil't hello, alex deakin here with your latest c'ttii.“ hello, alex deakin here with your latest weather tttate — here with your latest weather tttate ttem — here with your latest weather update from the— here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb update from the met office for et wewe— update from the met office for gb news drab— update from the met office for gb news drab day for many today . a tet— gb news drab day for many today . a tet et— gb news drab day for many today . a lot of cloud— gb news drab day for many today . a lot of cloud around outbreaks— . a lot of cloud around outbreaks of- . a lot of cloud around outbreaks of rain across much of the outbreaks of rain across much of tte—wett— outbreaks of rain across much of tte—wett .— outbreaks of rain across much of tte—wett . m- outbreaks of rain across much of the—well . in the- the country as well. in the eettt— the country as well. in the south, though,— the country as well. in the south, though, it is remaining dry south, though, it is remaining try-ttme— south, though, it is remainingi dry -time -thanks dry for the time being, thanks to dry for the time being, thanks te-et— dry for the time being, thanks te-et high- dry for the time being, thanks to of high pressure, to this area of high pressure, ttet— to this area of high pressure, ttet-tettmt- to this area of high pressure, just-holding on,- to this area of high pressure, just holding on, low just about holding on, but low pressure-north- pressure further north is temmatmt— pressure further north is dominating and these weather teme— dominating and these weather teme-teem— dominating and these weather fronts-been-in. fronts have been moving in atteaty— fronts have been moving in already bringing quite of already, bringing quite a bit of wet-across parts- already, bringing quite a bit of wet across parts of wet weather across parts of wetttem — wet weather across parts of northern ireland and scotland meetet— through northern england and watee— through northern england and watee amt— through northern england and watee amt tt— through northern england and wales and it continue to wales and it will continue to otattatty— wales and it will continue to gradually drift— wales and it will continue to gradually drift eastwards. so ewemttatty— gradually drift eastwards. so eventually-rain- gradually drift eastwards. so eventually rain turning up eventually the rain turning up. across—and aberdeen across lincolnshire and aberdeen as across lincolnshire and aberdeen ae wett. — across lincolnshire and aberdeen ae wett. tatte— across lincolnshire and aberdeen as well. parts of— across lincolnshire and aberdeen as well. parts of northern ttetamt—

as well. parts of northern ireland, particularly the east tewatte— ireland, particularly the east tewatte-may- ireland, particularly the east towards may actually towards belfast, may actually ttttttem— brighten up a little this afternoon.— brighten up a little this- afternoon. _ south afternoon. and in the south wett— afternoon. and in the south we-tt teet— afternoon. and in the south we-tt teee a— afternoon. and in the south we'll keep a lot— afternoon. and in the south we'll keep a lot of cloud. but toot— we'll keep a lot of cloud. but tee. teae— we'll keep a lot of cloud. but too, here brightness could too, here some brightness could see too, here some brightness could eee—mtel see temperatures getting into the see temperatures getting into tte—mtttt- see temperatures getting into tte—mtttt tetl see temperatures getting intoj the—might get to see temperatures getting into. the—might get to 20 the low 20s. we might get to 20 or the low 20s. we might get to 20 et 2t— the low 20s. we might get to 20 et t m— the low 20s. we might get to 20 or 21 in belfast,— the low 20s. we might get to 20 or 21 in belfast, but— the low 20s. we might get to 20 or 21 in belfast, but with the etett— or 21 in belfast, but with the cloud,-outbreaks- or 21 in belfast, but with the cloud, outbreaks of rain cloud, the outbreaks of rain tttttet— cloud, the outbreaks of rain matter-amt- cloud, the outbreaks of rain further and west, further north and west, temperatures- further north and west, temperatures in further north and west,- temperatures-in the high temperatures mostly in the high teeme— temperatures mostly in the high teeme-a— temperatures mostly in the high teens,-a humid— temperatures mostly in the high teens, a humid feel teens, quite a humid feel tttettt— teens, quite a humid feel through this— teens, quite a humid feel through this evening and ewemtttt— through this evening and overnight night. it turns quite mtety— overnight night. it turns quite mtetylttaeee— overnight night. it turns quite misty places around the coast misty in places around the coast amt— misty in places around the coast amt tte— misty in places around the coast amt tte weet.— misty in places around the coast and the west. the— misty in places around the coast and the west. the rain will tend to and the west. the rain will tend te-meetty— and the west. the rain will tend te-meetty .— and the west. the rain will tend to-mostly . we'll- and the west. the rain will tend to mostly . we'll keep to peter out mostly. we'll keep tatt— to peter out mostly. we'll keep some light rain— to peter out mostly. we'll keep some light rain and drizzle over the some light rain and drizzle over tte-metttem— some light rain and drizzle over the northern england the hills of northern england amt— the hills of northern england ..a-,_ the hills of northern england amt-imamy- the hills of northern england and , many places the hills of northern england- and-,-many places will and wales, but many places will teee— and wales, but many places will teeeme-ttt— and wales, but many places will become-but it— and wales, but many places will become-but it will- become dry. but it will be a petty— become dry. but it will be a pretty am— become dry. but it will be a pretty warm humid night. pretty warm and humid night. temtetatttee— pretty warm and humid night.- temperatures—cities temperatures in towns and cities meetty— temperatures in towns and cities meetty etaymo— temperatures in towns and cities meetty etaymo m— temperatures in towns and cities mostly staying in 16 or 17 c on twe— mostly staying in 16 or 17 c on two tomorrow. _ mostly staying in 16 or 17 c on two tomorrow. and— mostly staying in 16 or 17 c on two tomorrow. and for many it wttt— two tomorrow. and for many it wttt te— two tomorrow. and for many it wttt te a— two tomorrow. and for many it wttt te a try— two tomorrow. and for many it will be a dry start— two tomorrow. and for many it will be a dry start again. pretty— will be a dry start again. metty a...— will be a dry start again. pretty drab and cloudy, but ttmmt— pretty drab and cloudy, but turning fairly— pretty drab and cloudy, but turning fairly wet pretty tatttty— turning fairly wet pretty tatttty .— turning fairly wet pretty rapidly . across northern rapidly. across northern ttetamt— rapidly. across northern ireland, some- rapidly. across northern ireland, some heavy bursts of am— ireland, some heavy bursts of mete— ireland, some heavy bursts of rain here that'll— ireland, some heavy bursts of rain here that'll its way rain here that'll sweep its way tate— rain here that'll sweep its way into southern _ rain here that'll sweep its way into southern parts of scotland ttttmt— into southern parts of scotland ttttmt-memmt— into southern parts of scotland during morning as well. and during the morning as well. and ttem— during the morning as well. and then a— during the morning as well. and then a tew— during the morning as well. and then a few heavy— during the morning as well. and then a few heavy showers teeettte— then a few heavy showers possible england possible across england and watee— possible across england and wales before— possible across england and wales before we see things ttmmt— wales before we see things turning wetter— wales before we see things turning wetter through the evening-— turning wetter through the evening. much— turning wetter through the evening. much of the south and eaet— evening. much of the south and eae-try.— evening. much of the south and eaet-tty. tttte- evening. much of the south and east dry, quite warm east will stay dry, quite warm

amt— east will stay dry, quite warm ..a-r....,_ east will stay dry, quite warm ..a-r...., tt- east will stay dry, quite warm and-here, 25 to- east will stay dry, quite warm and here, 25 to 26 and humid here, 25 to 26 tetaeee— and humid here, 25 to 26 degrees, possibly if we see any ttttttmeee— degrees, possibly if we see any brightness feeling fresher tttttet— brightness feeling fresher further north _ brightness feeling fresher further north and west and then this further north and west and then ttte am— further north and west and then this rain could— further north and west and then this rain could ,— further north and west and then this rain could , as— further north and west and then this rain could , as i say, turn this rain could, as i say, turn tttte— this rain could, as i say, turn tttte teawy— this rain could, as i say, turn quite heavy during wednesday etemmt— quite heavy during wednesday ewemmt eter— quite heavy during wednesday evening over parts of eastern seettamt— evening over parts of eastern scotland and— evening over parts of eastern scotland and northeast england, eeteetatty— scotland and northeast england, eeteetatty .— scotland and northeast england, especially . really— scotland and northeast england, especially . really the odd especially. really the odd thunderstorm _ especially. really the odd thunderstorm is possible before that— thunderstorm is possible before mat-tatt— thunderstorm is possible before that-drift away,- that tends to drift away, atttettt— that tends to drift away, although linger that tends to drift away, although-linger the although it may linger in the eettt—eaet— although it may linger in the south—east thursday, some south—east on thursday, some emte— south—east on thursday, some welcome-perhaps. south—east on thursday, some welcome perhaps the welcome rain here, perhaps the weather— welcome rain here, perhaps the weather-ttetty- weather remaining pretty etamaeatte— weather remaining pretty changeable rest of this changeable for the rest of this weet—