percent rise then on your water bill that looks like it could happenif bill that looks like it could happen it plans that are being hatched are to be followed through. yes, these are the same water companies that spend their spare time. of course , dumping spare time. of course, dumping what i shall call bleep into our water. what is going on.7 some now saying forget it, forget privatisation . it's time for privatisation. it's time for water to be nationalised properly in this country, is it.7 and our chancellor has been busy meeting regulators , looking at meeting regulators, looking at whether or not various places and people and companies are ripping us off. yes of course they are, i would say. but what

do we do about it.7 do we need more state regulation? and do we do about it? do we need more state regulation? and do you remember all of that talk about sanctions and freezing the assets of various different russian people? well, £18 billion is a sum of money that we are sitting on because of that. we are sitting on because of that . what should we do with it? that. what should we do with it? should we spend it? if so, where, how and when and bad news. if you're a hotel staff member in wales, because get this, everybody , 95 staff this, everybody, 95 staff members are going to lose their jobs imminently, you guessed it, because the migrants are moving in. what on earth is going on with our priorities in this country? and steelworkers is taking to the streets and protesting . today. they are protesting. today. they are saying that we are failing them because we do not have an industrial strategy in this country. are they right? do we need one? and actually, would that help return investment and vigour and all the rest of it to those towns, cities and places that actually have had their very hearts ripped out when the industry was removed and never

replaced? we'll have it all coming up and more. but first, let's get ourselves up to speed with polly middlehurst and the latest headlines . michelle thank latest headlines. michelle thank you and good evening. will. the top story this— you and good evening. will. the top story this evening— you and good evening. will. the top story this evening is- a“: g: q will. the top story this evening is that wreckage— top story this evening is that wreckage from _ top story this evening is that wreckage from the ill fated man— wreckage from the ill fated titan submersible has been recovered today— titan submersible has been recovered today from the sea floor— recovered today from the sea floor of— recovered today from the sea floor of the— recovered today from the sea floor of the north atlantic and brought— floor of the north atlantic and brought ashore— floor of the north atlantic and brought ashore for the first time. — brought ashore for the first time. let-s— brought ashore for the first time. let's show you new pictures— time. let's show you new pictures if— time. let's show you new pictures if you're watching on television,— pictures if you're watching on television, of— pictures if you're watching on television, of metal debris being— television, of metal debris being unloaded. that's at the canadian— being unloaded. that's at the canadian coastguard pier in newfoundland— canadian coastguard pier in newfoundland in canada. we know , of the— newfoundland in canada. we know , of course, the sub— newfoundland in canada. we know , of course, the sub imploded an hour— , of course, the sub imploded an hour and— , of course, the sub imploded an hour ouo 45— , of course, the sub imploded an hour and 45 minutes into its descent— hour and 45 minutes into its descent to— hour and 45 minutes into its descent to view— hour and 45 minutes into its descent to view the wreckage of the descent to view the wreckage of rho marro— descent to view the wreckage of the titanic on— descent to view the wreckage of the titanic on june— descent to view the wreckage of the titanic on june the 18th, commo— the titanic on june the 18th, comms were lost, and that was uro— comms were lost, and that was the sign— comms were lost, and that was the our thor— comms were lost, and that was the sign that all— comms were lost, and that was the sign that all was not well . the sign that all was not well. all the sign that all was not well. on five— the sign that all was not well. all five people _ the sign that all was not well. all five people on— the sign that all was not well. all five people on board the vessel— all five people on board the vessel perished _ all five people on board the vessel perished after the sub suffered— vessel perished after the sub suffered what— vessel perished after the sub suffered what was described as a catastrophic— suffered what was described as a

catastrophic implosion underwater— catastrophic implosion underwater .- catastrophic implosion underwater . well, the other news underwater. well, the other news on underwater. well, the other news ou eo— underwater. well, the other news or go news— underwater. well, the other news on gb news today— underwater. well, the other news on gb news today is that daniel rouozyuorr — on gb news today is that daniel kawczynski has— on gb news today is that daniel kawczynski has pulled out of the for— kawczynski has pulled out of the race for london— kawczynski has pulled out of the race for london mayor after a novelist— race for london mayor after a novelist onu— race for london mayor after a novelist and tv— race for london mayor after a novelist and tv producer accused rum— novelist and tv producer accused him or— novelist and tv producer accused him or groping— novelist and tv producer accused him of groping her.— novelist and tv producer accused him of groping her. a decade ago. — him of groping her. a decade ago. ru— him of groping her. a decade ago. m o— him of groping her. a decade ago. in a statement released an hour— ago. in a statement released an hour ago,— ago. in a statement released an hour ago, he— ago. in a statement released an hour ago, he said— ago. in a statement released an hour ago, he said he's withdrawing- hour ago, he said he's withdrawing with a heavy heart, but withdrawing with a heavy heart, huh thor— withdrawing with a heavy heart, huh that ho— withdrawing with a heavy heart, but that he also— withdrawing with a heavy heart, but that he also categorically homos— but that he also categorically oohhoo rho— but that he also categorically denies the allegations for her part,— denies the allegations for her part noisy— denies the allegations for her part, daisy goodwin made the formu— part, daisy goodwin made the formal complaint— part, daisy goodwin made the formal complaint with number ten:— formal complaint with number ten, commenting— formal complaint with number ten, commenting it was very ord— ten, commenting it was very serious and urged any other complainants— serious and urged any other complainants to— serious and urged any other complainants to come forward. mr horohy— complainants to come forward. mr horohy says— complainants to come forward. mr horshy says he— complainants to come forward. mr korsky says the pressure on his family— korsky says the pressure on his family and— korsky says the pressure on his family and the— korsky says the pressure on his family and the inability now to get family and the inability now to ooh oh— family and the inability now to ooh or with— family and the inability now to ooh oh uhh o— family and the inability now to get on with a hearing for his rhossoog— get on with a hearing for his message makes— get on with a hearing for his message makes it impossible for his message makes it impossible for hhs compoun— message makes it impossible for hhs sohpohgh ro— message makes it impossible for his campaign to continue, adding no investigation— his campaign to continue, adding no investigation action had ever harsh— no investigation action had ever taken proso— no investigation action had ever taken phase .— no investigation action had ever taken place . he— no investigation action had ever taken place . he said. i have taken place. he said. i have hoor— taken place. he said. i have been shor— taken place. he said. i have been clear i— taken place. he said. i have been clear i would welcome and sohsrrushvoh— been clear i would welcome and constructively participate in any— constructively participate in any hvosror— constructively participate in any hvosror .— constructively participate in any investor . action now. thames any investor. action now. thames whor— any investor. action now. thames water says— any investor. action now. thames water says its— any investor. action now. thames water says it's working constructively with its shareholders owners to secure funding— shareholders owners to secure funding ,— shareholders owners to secure ruhohg , shro— shareholders owners to secure funding, amid mounting shareholders owners to secure funding , amid mounting concern funding, amid mounting concern hrs— funding, amid mounting concern

over its financial— funding, amid mounting concern over its financial stability , over its financial stability, sohhhgohsy— over its financial stability, contingency plans have had to be drown— contingency plans have had to be shown up— contingency plans have had to be shown up hy— contingency plans have had to be shown up by he— contingency plans have had to be drawn up by the government, hshuuhg— drawn up by the government, including possible emergency nationalised— including possible emergency nationalised action of the company,— nationalised action of the company, os— nationalised action of the company, as it's feared , thames company, as it's feared, thames water— company, as it's feared, thames water rs— company, as it's feared, thames water is hur— company, as it's feared, thames water is £14 billion in debt. hushoss— water is £14 billion in debt. business and— water is £14 billion in debt. business and energy secretary horhh — business and energy secretary kemi badenoch_ business and energy secretary kemi badenoch says more needs to be kemi badenoch says more needs to he done— kemi badenoch says more needs to he done to— kemi badenoch says more needs to be done to ensure— kemi badenoch says more needs to be done to ensure the company survhos. — be done to ensure the company survhos. hrs— be done to ensure the company survives. we need— be done to ensure the company survives. we need to- be done to ensure the company survives. we need to make sure that thames water as an entity survives. there's a lot of work that the government is trying to do on resolving sewage at the moment, certainly up until now the regulator has been focussed on keeping consumer bills down, but there's lot of but there's a lot of infrastructure that needs infrastructure work that needs to place and we need that to take place and we need that entity to survive and be and, and going. the and continue going. the chancellor has grin g the chancellor has pressed and continue going. the- chancellor has pressed consumer watchdogs— chancellor has pressed consumer uatshtoas over— chancellor has pressed consumer watchdogs over concerns that firms— watchdogs over concerns that firms ar— watchdogs over concerns that firms are exploiting high httattoh— firms are exploiting high inflation to— firms are exploiting high inflation to boost their profits . jeremy— inflation to boost their profits . jeremy hurt— inflation to boost their profits . jeremy hunt has met with the compottttoh— . jeremy hunt has met with the competition and— . jeremy hunt has met with the competition and markets authortty— competition and markets authority as— competition and markets authority as well as energy, water— authority as well as energy, uator aha— authority as well as energy, water and telecoms medications. toautators— water and telecoms medications. togutators to— water and telecoms medications. regulators to question how they soutt — regulators to question how they soutt tower— regulators to question how they could lower prices— regulators to question how they could lower prices for consumer hou — could lower prices for consumer hou aha— could lower prices for consumer hours. and that— could lower prices for consumer hours. and that comes after the

tart— hours. and that comes after the tart ot— hours. and that comes after the bank of england— hours. and that comes after the bank of england suggested some rotattors— bank of england suggested some rotattors ar— bank of england suggested some retailers are hiking prices or tattha— retailers are hiking prices or tattha to— retailers are hiking prices or failing to pass— retailers are hiking prices or failing to pass on lower cost to consumers and ofcom has launched an htosttgattoh— consumers and ofcom has launched an investigation into— consumers and ofcom has launched an investigation into bt after ttsruhttoh— an investigation into bt after ttsruhttoh .— an investigation into bt after disruption . to— an investigation into bt after disruption . to the 999 emergency disruption. to the 999 emergency call disruption. to the 999 emergency satt sawtoo— disruption. to the 999 emergency call service at— disruption. to the 999 emergency call service at the— disruption. to the 999 emergency call service at the weekend. the communications— call service at the weekend. the communications watchdog says it's communications watchdog says tt-s going— communications watchdog says tt-s gohg to— communications watchdog says it's going to look— communications watchdog says it's going to look into the hottoht— it's going to look into the incident to— it's going to look into the incident to find out whether or not incident to find out whether or hot the — incident to find out whether or not the telecoms— incident to find out whether or not the telecoms giant failed to oomph— not the telecoms giant failed to sompty ruth— not the telecoms giant failed to sompty utth tts— not the telecoms giant failed to comply with its regulatory tuttos. — comply with its regulatory tuttos. ht— comply with its regulatory duties. bt which manages the 999 photo— duties. bt which manages the 999 phone system,— duties. bt which manages the 999 phone system, apologised shsoroty— phone system, apologised sincerely for— phone system, apologised sincerely for the uk wide ttsruottoh. — sincerely for the uk wide disruption. the company taking hearty— disruption. the company taking hearty throe— disruption. the company taking nearly three hours. we've learnt to ash— nearly three hours. we've learnt to atort tho— nearly three hours. we've learnt to alert the government there was even a problem. sir keir starrhor— was even a problem. sir keir starrhor has— was even a problem. sir keir starmer has questioned whether the hrtrho— starmer has questioned whether the prime minister will hit his target— the prime minister will hit his target ot— the prime minister will hit his target of building 300,000 new homes— target of building 300,000 new homes sash— target of building 300,000 new homes each year. _ target of building 300,000 new homes each year. speaking at hrtrho— homes each year. speaking at prime minister's— homes each year. speaking at prime minister's questions, the tahour— prime minister's questions, the labour leader— prime minister's questions, the labour leader accused rishi suhah— labour leader accused rishi suhah ot— labour leader accused rishi sunak of not— labour leader accused rishi sunak of not agreeing with the houstha— sunak of not agreeing with the housing minister— sunak of not agreeing with the housing minister on the pledge and hstoat— housing minister on the pledge and instead spending thousands of and instead spending thousands ot houhts— and instead spending thousands ot oouhts oh— and instead spending thousands of pounds on advertising . sir of pounds on advertising. sir hott— of pounds on advertising. sir hotr atso— of pounds on advertising. sir keir also said— of pounds on advertising. sir keir also said house building has— keir also said house building has collapsed— keir also said house building has collapsed under the tories ,

has collapsed under the tories, but has collapsed under the tories, hut tho— has collapsed under the tories, but the prime— has collapsed under the tories, but the prime minister said 2.2 rhttttoh— but the prime minister said 2.2 million additional homes had hash— million additional homes had hash tutt— million additional homes had been built since— million additional homes had been built since they took power . a jury— been built since they took power . a jury has— been built since they took power .a jury has hash— been built since they took power . a jury has been selected ahead of . a jury has been selected ahead ot the— . a jury has been selected ahead ot the that— . a jury has been selected ahead of the trial of— . a jury has been selected ahead of the trial of oscar— . a jury has been selected ahead of the trial of oscar winning actor— of the trial of oscar winning astor hath— of the trial of oscar winning actor kevin spacey for alleged sex offences— actor kevin spacey for alleged sex offences against four men. the— sex offences against four men. the ators— sex offences against four men. the actor's facing _ sex offences against four men. the actor's facing 12 charges, hstutha— the actor's facing 12 charges, including sexual— the actor's facing 12 charges, including sexual and indecent assautt— including sexual and indecent assautt. tho— including sexual and indecent assault. the 63— including sexual and indecent assault. the 63 year old is going— assault. the 63 year old is gohg to— assault. the 63 year old is going to appear- assault. the 63 year old is going to appear at southwark crout— going to appear at southwark crouh court— going to appear at southwark crown court for— going to appear at southwark crown court for a— going to appear at southwark crown court for a four week that.— crown court for a four week that. ho— crown court for a four week trial. he denies— crown court for a four week trial. he denies all the charges . shot— trial. he denies all the charges . steel workers— trial. he denies all the charges . steel workers have been protestat— . steel workers have been protesting outside parliament today.— protesting outside parliament today. the— protesting outside parliament today. the gmb_ protesting outside parliament today. the gmb union claims atrhost— today. the gmb union claims atrhost soro— today. the gmb union claims almost 80% of— today. the gmb union claims almost 80% of jobs in the steel sarto— almost 80% of jobs in the steel oorto havo— almost 80% of jobs in the steel sector have gone— almost 80% of jobs in the steel sector have gone over the last 40 sector have gone over the last to years — sector have gone over the last 40 years. workers— sector have gone over the last 40 years. workers are calling for 40 years. workers are calling tor a— 40 years. workers are calling tor a proper— 40 years. workers are calling for a proper inaya dustrial strategy— for a proper inaya dustrial strategy aha— for a proper inaya dustrial strategy and relief from energy costs— strategy and relief from energy costs .— strategy and relief from energy costs . the— strategy and relief from energy costs . the government says it is costs. the government says it is working— costs. the government says it is worthg etosety— costs. the government says it is working closely with the sector to secure a sustainable decarbonised- to secure a sustainable decarbonised and competitive tuture— decarbonised and competitive tuture tor— decarbonised and competitive future for the _ decarbonised and competitive future for the steel industry . future for the steel industry. aho— future for the steel industry. aht tasty— future for the steel industry. and lastly, three people have teen— and lastly, three people have been arrested _ and lastly, three people have been arrested afterjust stop oil protesters—

been arrested afterjust stop oil protesters disrupted the esot— oil protesters disrupted the second ashes— oil protesters disrupted the second ashes test at lord's today— second ashes test at lord's totay ,— second ashes test at lord's totay , say— second ashes test at lord's totay , say hy— second ashes test at lord's today , say by running onto the today, say by running onto the etch— today, say by running onto the etch .— today, say by running onto the ptteh . thgtaht— today, say by running onto the pitch . england wicketkeeper pitch. england wicketkeeper yohhy— pitch. england wicketkeeper jonny bairstow_ pitch. england wicketkeeper jonny bairstow took matters into his jonny bairstow took matters into hts oh— jonny bairstow took matters into hts hahts— jonny bairstow took matters into his own hands by— jonny bairstow took matters into his own hands by picking up a protester— his own hands by picking up a protester who'd— his own hands by picking up a protester who'd been attempting to throw— protester who'd been attempting to throw orange— protester who'd been attempting to throw orange paint powder onto— to throw orange paint powder onto the— to throw orange paint powder onto the pitch. _ to throw orange paint powder onto the pitch. bairstow carried the protester— onto the pitch. bairstow carried the protester off— onto the pitch. bairstow carried the protester off towards the araatstart — the protester off towards the grandstand to _ the protester off towards the grandstand to loud applause from spectators— grandstand to loud applause from spectators .— grandstand to loud applause from spectators . another protester spectators. another protester was removed by— spectators. another protester was removed by the security team and was removed by the security team aht the— was removed by the security team are the around— was removed by the security team and the ground staff cleared away— and the ground staff cleared away the— and the ground staff cleared away the paint. _ and the ground staff cleared away the paint. just stop oil sav— away the paint. just stop oil say they— away the paint. just stop oil say they disrupted the match to demand— say they disrupted the match to demand action _ say they disrupted the match to demand action from the government— demand action from the government on climate change. that-s— government on climate change. has ht.— government on climate change. that's it. you're— government on climate change. that's it. you're up— government on climate change. that's it. you're up to date on tv that's it. you're up to date on tv ohtthe— that's it. you're up to date on tv online dab+_ that's it. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune— tv online dab+ radio and the tune h— tv online dab+ radio and the tune th app.— tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this— tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. hack— tune in app. this is gb news. hach ho— tune in app. this is gb news. hach to— tune in app. this is gb news. back now to dewbs& co . back now to dewbs& co. thanks for back now to dewbs& co. thanks tor that,— back now to dewbs& co. thanks torthat, potty. — back now to dewbs& co. thanks for that, polly. yes,— back now to dewbs& co. thanks for that, polly. “his for that, polly. yes, i am michelle dewberry and i am with you until 7:00 tonight. keeping me company. the author and the academic frank furedi and co—founder of novara media,

aaron bastani . good evening to aaron bastani. good evening to you too, gents . you know the you too, gents. you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about us three here. it's very much about you guys at home. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch all the usual ways. got a packed show coming your way. i want to talk to you about water. i want talk to about water. i want to talk to you about the fact that nearly 100 are giving 100 people in wales are giving they're going to get the boot, they're going to get the boot, the heave from job in the heave from theirjob in hotels make asylum hotels to make way for asylum seekers. to do so seekers. and i want to do so much i can i want to get off my chest with you guys tonight. so keep with us until 7:00. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you email tweet at email me or you can tweet me at gb news. by the way, i've got a little bit of a sore head today. i don't mind admitting because we partying like it was we were partying like it was 1999. night celebrate 1999. last night to celebrate those awards . i won't even those tric awards. i won't even nominate. i didn't even get one. but did stop getting but that did not stop me getting involved the celebrations , i involved in the celebrations, i can and i couldn't can tell you. and i couldn't help but notice today i do have to this chest, to get this off my chest, everybody, because the tric award that we won on their twitter, tweeted of the twitter, they tweeted all of the different and different award categories and the all the rest

the winners and all the rest of it. right. including nigel. well, what they they well, guess what they did. they then deleted the one about nigel's windsor. all the rest of their. but no, nigel, what do you make to that anyway . after a you make to that anyway. after a bit of pressure they redid the tweet a few hours ago so it's back up there now but this time with comments so you with the comments cancel. so you cannot comment and respond to that thread in that way. i think that's pretty , pretty and that's pretty, pretty odd and not great, you know, because i don't know what's going on in our society, but some people just seem to handle the just cannot seem to handle the fact that are people out fact that there are people out in society that wait for it. they might disagree with. they are absolute , absolutely adamant are absolute, absolutely adamant that those people should be de—platformed forgotten about left to one side and all the rest of it. i told you it was glorious being in that room last night when he won all the booze and the rest of it. it's and all the rest of it. so it's great that have put that great that they have put that tweet back up, but it should not have been deleted in the first place anyway . they yeah, i place anyway. they are. yeah, i do . i feel better for that now. do. i feel better for that now. thank you much. all right,

thank you very much. all right, let's get to the stories of let's get to the top stories of the shall we? the the night, though, shall we? the government drawing up government is drawing up a continued agency the continued agency plan for the collapse of thames water that is britain's company. britain's biggest water company. apparently, survive apparently, it might not survive kyiv its £14 billion kyiv because of its £14 billion debt. thames water has about 15 million customers. there's been lots of conversations. frank i shall start with you on this about the predicament that the water companies found themselves in. we're all familiar by now with the fact that actually many of them, they keep dumping , um, of them, they keep dumping, um, you know, excrements . it's tea you know, excrements. it's tea time obe plight into the seas and all the rest of it. right? there's conversation now that they're hatching these plans to increase bills yet again for people to basically try and shore some of their failings shore up some of their failings , ask me. but they would , if you ask me. but they would say to meet environmental say it's to meet environmental targets. are saying, you targets. many are saying, you know what, it all. know what, forget it all. a national water in this national eyes water in this country. what make to it? country. what do you make to it? well, i was always against prtvattse— well, i was always against privatise water. _ well, i was always against privatise water. i think water is privatise water. i think water ts a— privatise water. i think water is a source of— privatise water. i think water is a source of life. it's very trhportaht— is a source of life. it's very important for— is a source of life. it's very important for people. it's not sorhethhp— important for people. it's not sorhethhp you— important for people. it's not something you want to sort of

buy— something you want to sort of huy aha— something you want to sort of huy aht sett— something you want to sort of buy and sell in— something you want to sort of buy and sell in a— something you want to sort of buy and sell in a market at the way— buy and sell in a market at the way you— buy and sell in a market at the way you woutt— buy and sell in a market at the way you would do— buy and sell in a market at the way you would do with shoes or utth — way you would do with shoes or with cornflakes. _ way you would do with shoes or with cornflakes. and in parttcutar— with cornflakes. and in particular, what really got me that— particular, what really got me was that when _ particular, what really got me was that when the water copahes— was that when the water companies were nationalised, prtvattset— companies were nationalised, prtyattset aha— companies were nationalised, privatised and it— companies were nationalised, privatised and it began to be owned— privatised and it began to be owned hy— privatised and it began to be owned by companies from abroad . owned by companies from abroad. so owned by companies from abroad. so ht— owned by companies from abroad. so tt you— owned by companies from abroad. so tt you took— owned by companies from abroad. so if you look at— owned by companies from abroad. so if you look at thames water, it's so if you look at thames water, tt-s ouhet— so if you look at thames water, tt-s ouhet hy— so if you look at thames water, it's owned by chinese companies, by cahattah— it's owned by chinese companies, by canadian companies, people who— by canadian companies, people who are— by canadian companies, people who are thousands and thousands of who are thousands and thousands ot rhttes— who are thousands and thousands ot rhttes away— who are thousands and thousands of miles away from _ who are thousands and thousands of miles away from the people who— of miles away from the people who have— of miles away from the people who have got— of miles away from the people who have got to— of miles away from the people who have got to live with the consequences— who have got to live with the consequences of— who have got to live with the consequences of their economic tectstors— consequences of their economic tectstohs. aho— consequences of their economic decisions. and i— consequences of their economic decisions. and i feel that the patron— decisions. and i feel that the patron has— decisions. and i feel that the nation has been— decisions. and i feel that the nation has been let down by the prwattsattoh— nation has been let down by the privatisation of— nation has been let down by the privatisation of water. “43?“ privatisation of water. yeah, hut— privatisation of water. yeah, hut ht— privatisation of water. yeah, hut tt ._ privatisation of water. yeah, but if i follow— privatisation of water. yeah, but if i follow your thought process, what you're saying, prime, primarily is we should keep water nationalised because it's a commodity that everybody needs and it's essential to life basically. but where do you draw the line with that? because we all need electricity, we all need food, might say not need food, you might say not cornflakes, we all cornflakes, but we all need food. by your rationale , you food. so by your rationale, you know going to be know you're going to be nationalising pretty much everything. well, not not necessary— everything. well, not not necessarily ._ everything. well, not not necessarily . the- g well, not not necessarily . the thing about necessarily. the thing about water— necessarily. the thing about water-that— necessarily. the thing about water-that the _ necessarily. the thing about water that the best way of water is that the best way of making— water is that the best way of rhathp sue— water is that the best way of making sure that the community

pets— making sure that the community pets-gooe— making sure that the community gets-toot cteah- making sure that the community gets good clean water gets access to good clean water is gets access to good clean water ts wher— gets access to good clean water ts when you— gets access to good clean water is when you have— gets access to good clean water is when you have local government— is when you have local government and locally based hstttuttohs— government and locally based institutions who— government and locally based institutions who take responsibility for that. now i ooh-t— responsibility for that. now i don't necessarily think it shoute— don't necessarily think it shoutt he— don't necessarily think it should be the- don't necessarily think it should be the state, but that in a sense runs the— should be the state, but that in a sense runs the water copahes — a sense runs the water companies. but there's got to be a cheat— companies. but there's got to be a clear relationship— companies. but there's got to be a clear relationship between the orhrhuhttesct— a clear relationship between the communities, cities that have to that— communities, cities that have to consume that water and the copahes— consume that water and the companies that— consume that water and the companies that produce them. and in companies that produce them. and th any— companies that produce them. and he ahy ctwttset— companies that produce them. and in any civilised society, we do hate— in any civilised society, we do mate a— in any civilised society, we do make a distinction between certah— make a distinction between certah sort— make a distinction between certain sort of— make a distinction between certain sort of infrastructural sort— certain sort of infrastructural sort ot— certain sort of infrastructural sort ot toots— certain sort of infrastructural sort of goods and are very, very caretut— sort of goods and are very, very caretut .— sort of goods and are very, very caretut . aha— sort of goods and are very, very careful . and if— sort of goods and are very, very careful . and if we— sort of goods and are very, very careful . and if we did privatise careful. and if we did privatise it, careful. and if we did privatise p, then— careful. and if we did privatise p, then the— careful. and if we did privatise it, then the idea— careful. and if we did privatise it, then the idea that somehow vou— it, then the idea that somehow you tet— it, then the idea that somehow you tet peopte— it, then the idea that somehow you tet peopte h— it, then the idea that somehow you let people in canada and chha— you let people in canada and chha aha— you let people in canada and china and france— you let people in canada and china and france and elsewhere for china and france and elsewhere tor att— china and france and elsewhere tor at these— china and france and elsewhere for all these sort— china and france and elsewhere for all these sort of companies is for all these sort of companies ts a— for all these sort of companies ts a ttserace— for all these sort of companies is a disgrace because they've got— is a disgrace because they've got ho— is a disgrace because they've got no interest— is a disgrace because they've got no interest in— is a disgrace because they've got no interest in making sure that— got no interest in making sure that we— got no interest in making sure that we h— got no interest in making sure that we in britain— got no interest in making sure that we in britain have have the water— that we in britain have have the water we— that we in britain have have the water we need. _ that we in britain have have the water we need. whiz“ cc that we in britain have have the water we need. lattice cc water we need. well, i'll throw that open to you at home because i know many of you will be nodding along and yes, it is disgraceful that, for example, france would earn segments of, say, country. but say, water in this country. but then do you do it on the-

" f but then do you do it on the reverse there— then do you do it on the reverse there do— then do you do it on the reverse there do you— then do you do it on the reverse then? do you sit— then do you do it on the reverse then? do you sit there and say, thaht— then? do you sit there and say, ttght, hrtttsh— then? do you sit there and say, right, british companies, peopte,— right, british companies, people, investors, governments, whatever,— people, investors, governments,i whatever—horn whatever, should be banned from toretph—wette- foreign investments as well? i ooh-t— foreign investments as well? i tort—teth- foreign investments as well? i don't-tell me,- foreign investments as well? i. don't-tell me, aaron, don't know. you tell me, aaron, what— don't know. you tell me, aaron, what to— don't know. you tell me, aaron, what tho-chate— don't know. you tell me, aaron, what do -make to - don't know. you tell me, aaron, what do-make to or- don't know. you tell me, aaron, what do make to or water what do you make to or water we— what do you make to or water the— what do you make to or water wise, the privatisation of water is, wise, the privatisation of water ts ._ wise, the privatisation of water ts . thhh— wise, the privatisation of water ts . thht ,— wise, the privatisation of water is, i think , the _ wise, the privatisation of water is, i think , the single biggest is, i think, the single biggest all organised— is, i think, the single biggest all organised theft in my tttettrhe— all organised theft in my tttettrhe . — all organised theft in my lifetime . um,- all organised theft in my lifetime. gs» all organised theft in my- lifetime . um, you've got since lifetime. um, you've got since the early 1990s, more than £55 billion has been given to shareholders as dividends. i think thames water isn't too bad in the last ten years it's only 1.2 billion. the ceo is on 1.5 million and yet these people can't manage their finances properly. and i find it absolutely extraordinary. we have yet another example of you privatise the gains you give the shareholders, the dividends when the proverbial hits the fan , the proverbial hits the fan, it's joe bloggs and it's your viewers and it's the taxpayer who has pick up the bill. or who has to pick up the bill. or in this instance, more specifically, all us are specifically, all of us are going probably have to pay going to probably have to pay 40% more for water next year. you that on of you throw that on top of interest rates, energy, food inflation. and inflation. it's grim. and i couldn't agree what

couldn't agree more with what frank said. it's a it's a fundamental, total political failure. entire failure. and the entire establishment should ashamed establishment should be ashamed of let's explore of themselves. so let's explore thts— of themselves. so let's explore thts tho— of themselves. so let's explore thts the ot— of themselves. so let's explore this kind of notion— of themselves. so let's explore this kind of notion that- so let's explore this kind of notion that water is this kind of notion that water ts thts— this kind of notion that water ts thts tho— this kind of notion that water is this kind commodity that is this kind of commodity that shoute— is this kind of commodity that shoutt he— is this kind of commodity that should be available and free for all. should be available and free for at. ._ should be available and free for at. . ooh-t— should be available and free for all. i don't dispute— should be available and free for all. i don't dispute that rainwater— all. i don't dispute that rainwater water is this natural tho— rainwater water is this natural the ot— rainwater water is this natural kind of asset— rainwater water is this natural kind of asset that belongs to us all kind of asset that belongs to us at aha— kind of asset that belongs to us all and shouldn't— kind of asset that belongs to us all and shouldn't be commercialised and all the rest of commercialised and all the rest ot ht.— commercialised and all the rest ot tt. hut— commercialised and all the rest of it. but that's— commercialised and all the rest of it. but that's not what we need. — of it. but that's not what we need. what— of it. but that's not what we need. what we— of it. but that's not what we need. what we need is cleaned, sartttsect— need. what we need is cleaned, sanitised, processed water, and we teet— sanitised, processed water, and we need sewage— sanitised, processed water, and we need sewage systems and all the rest— we need sewage systems and all the rest ot— we need sewage systems and all the rest ot p,— we need sewage systems and all the rest of it, reservoirs and att— the rest of it, reservoirs and at the— the rest of it, reservoirs and all the kind— the rest of it, reservoirs and all the kind of— the rest of it, reservoirs and all the kind of infrastructure nature— all the kind of infrastructure nature that— all the kind of infrastructure nature that sits— all the kind of infrastructure nature that sits around that . so nature that sits around that. so when— nature that sits around that. so when ._ nature that sits around that. so wheh . start— nature that sits around that. so when i start to— nature that sits around that. so when i start to think about hecause— when i start to think about hecause h— when i start to think about because in principle, all i agree— because in principle, all i agree with— because in principle, all i agree with what you two are saythg, — agree with what you two are sayhg, ute— agree with what you two are sayhg, the ht— agree with what you two are saying, like if i— agree with what you two are saying, like if i sit here and i go,— saying, like if i sit here and i go, eh— saying, like if i sit here and i go, oh yeah— saying, like if i sit here and i go, oh yeah, water is a commodity,— go, oh yeah, water is a commodity, you know, why should peopte— commodity, you know, why should peopte-profit— commodity, you know, why should peopte-prottt-tt,- commodity, you know, why should people profit it, then people make profit from it, then that-s— people make profit from it, then that-s-hut— people make profit from it, then that's-but then- people make profit from it, then that's but then you lose that's great. but then you lose rhe— that's great. but then you lose me because then— that's great. but then you lose me because then i— that's great. but then you lose me because then i start to that,— me because then i start to think,-actually- me because then i start to think, actually it is an think, well, actually it is an industry — think, well, actually it is an htustry. we— think, well, actually it is an industry. we all— think, well, actually it is an industry. we all things that industry. we all the things that twe— industry. we all the things that he just— industry. we all the things that i've just mentioned, they are huge.— i've just mentioned, they are huge-processor- i've just mentioned, they are huge. processor facilities huge. the processor facilities sanitisation_ huge. the processor facilities sanitisation ,_ huge. the processor facilities sanitisation , they invest, sanitisation, they don't invest, they—h— sanitisation, they don't invest, they—h them.- sanitisation, they don't invest, they—ththerh. i they don't invest in them. that-s— they don't invest in them. was the— they don't invest in them. that's the problem.- they don't invest in them. that's the problem. they've been giving the shareholders the dividends let

dividends and then they've let the infrastructure crumble. you know, businesses know, there are some businesses where to invest in where people have to invest in it, otherwise customers leave. the is where the problem with water is where do go? but then you're do you go? but then you're taking— do you go? but then you're talking about— do you go? but then you're talking about-let's- »:»s» gs»? but then you're talking about let's just talking about bad. let's just i woutt— talking about bad. let's just i would paraphrase what would then paraphrase what you-re— would then paraphrase what youe—hat- would then paraphrase what you're bad business you're saying is bad business rhahaerhehgt— you're saying is bad business management, not management, but you're not opposed— management, but you're not opposed privatisation opposed to the privatisation opttoh. — opposed to the privatisation option. you're— opposed to the privatisation option. you're to option. you're opposed to what youre— option. you're opposed to what you-e saythg— option. you're opposed to what you-e saythg ts— option. you're opposed to what you're saying is where the funds aha— you're saying is where the funds aha-rest— you're saying is where the funds aha-restit— you're saying is where the funds and-restlit are- you're saying is where the funds and rest it are being and all the rest of it are being chahhettet. — and all the rest of it are being channelled. but— and all the rest of it are being channelled. ggs” channelled. but there's a bigger problem is the problem which is the infrastructural demands for water they go water are so vast and they go beyond any one particular company the whole thing company because the whole thing is at that has is interlocked at and that has got such consequences that got such great consequences that it is one of those industries that require a national coordination and it requires a national management and it requires an investment strategy that takes into account the fact that takes into account the fact that in smaller communities you need access to water just as much as in a big city. and it seems to me that what has happenedis seems to me that what has happened is we've kind of partial them off to different companies and forget about the fact that unless we have a national strategy towards water consumption , we are going to be consumption, we are going to be continually underfunding the investments. that has been a investments. and that has been a massive problem that we are now

in a situation where in this country we cannot guarantee the provision of clean water because of the lack of investments in then. so if you two are to be hettewet— then. so if you two are to be believed and— cs" so if you two are to be believed and agreed 0s" so if you two are to be believed and agreed with that, perhaps— believed and agreed with that, perhaps nationalise taxation is the aswe— perhaps nationalise taxation is the — perhaps nationalise taxation is the answer. well,— perhaps nationalise taxation is the answer. �*frhsss perhaps nationalise taxation is the answer. gs» g the answer. well, what's going on in scotland then? because the water there is nationalised, i would say, in various ways they're in a worse predicament than what we are here in england. the bills in scotland, they're going to be increasing above inflation. so clearly they're nationalise this stuff. thatis they're nationalise this stuff. that is not the answer . well, that is not the answer. well, not always, because- that is not the answer. well, not always, because you- well, not always, because you can i mean, we have had a lot of nationalised— mean, we have had a lot of nationalised industries that went— nationalised industries that wehttrorh— nationalised industries that went from bad _ nationalised industries that went from bad to worse. and just hecause— went from bad to worse. and just hecause ._ went from bad to worse. and just hecause . say— went from bad to worse. and just because i say we— went from bad to worse. and just because i say we should nationalise— because i say we should nationalise industry doesn't nationalise the industry doesn't rheahlsay— nationalise the industry doesn't rheahlsay that— nationalise the industry doesn't mean-say that it's- nationalise the industry doesn't mean say that it's easy to do mean to say that it's easy to do the— mean to say that it's easy to do the-trhportaht— mean to say that it's easy to do the important thing is to the really important thing is to that— the really important thing is to ensure that local— the really important thing is to ensure that local communities are ensure that local communities atte— ensure that local communities ahte to— ensure that local communities are able to be— ensure that local communities are able to be in— ensure that local communities are able to be in control of access to water— are able to be in control of access to water because they're the oes— access to water because they're the that— access to water because they're the ones that can— access to water because they're the ones that can react to any the— the ones that can react to any the ot— the ones that can react to any kind of problems.— the ones that can react to any kind of problems. if you have a massive bureaucracy all based in westrhhster,— massive bureaucracy all based in westminster, then— massive bureaucracy all based in westminster, then it's quite tthety— westminster, then it's quite tthety tite— westminster, then it's quite likely like just— westminster, then it's quite likely like just like in

scotland— likely like just like in scotland ,_ likely like just like in scotland , they're not going to scotland, they're not going to be qualitatively— scotland, they're not going to be qualitatively better than private— be qualitatively better than prtwate thah — be qualitatively better than private than the private copahes— private than the private companies. - private than the private companies . private than the private- companies . so, i mean, i would companies. so, i mean, i would also add, you know, scotland, it's less populated than england. so it has much cleaner coastal waters and rivers than we do. i mean, we can debate whether or not that's because of the model. think the ownership model. i think it's there's it's probably because there's just there just fewer people there in a much larger. no, i would debate. we don't even know the cleanliness— we don't even know the cleanliness of- we don't even know the cleanliness of those areas hecause— cleanliness of those areas because-look. cleanliness of those areas| because-look at cleanliness of those areas- because-look at how because when you look at how many—facilities- many monitoring facilities they hate— many monitoring facilities they have versus england, have in scotland versus england, they—tragrhehtl they only monitor a fragment, sorry,— they only monitor a fragment, sorryltracttoh— they only monitor a fragment, sorry,lfraction of— they only monitor a fragment, sorry, fraction of their sorry, a fraction of their facilities— sorry, a fraction of their facilities compared to us. no, i chow.— facilities compared to us. no, i know. — facilities compared to us. no, i know. it— facilities compared to us. no, i know. -ttyou— facilities compared to us. no, i know. .tt you go- facilities compared to us. no, i know. -if you go to- facilities compared to us. no, i know. -if you go to if- facilities compared to us. no, i know. �*" gs» �*" facilities compared to us. no, i. know. -if you go to if you go know. but if you go to if you go to lochs and, you know, in the outer islands and so on, it is it's incredibly clean because there's literally nobody there. so that as an so i'm not using that as an argument. i'm saying it's probably not worse, but you can park had in park that. what we've had in the last 30 years tens of last 30 years is tens of billions pounds go to billions of pounds go to shareholders while not investing in infrastructure. now, in the infrastructure. now, you could really could say it's a really reasonable argument, we reasonable argument, michel. we should different should have had a different management infrastructure. we should have had different incentives on. maybe incentives and so on. maybe i would public ownership. would argue public ownership. what can probably on is what we can probably agree on is that it's been done in not

that how it's been done in not investing in the long term infrastructure, letting shareholders have tens of billions all billions of pounds, laying all of these ceos across these dozens companies all earn, dozens of companies all earn, you know, astronomical telephone number it just doesn't number salaries. it just doesn't seem a very sensible way to run water. what do you guys think at homec— water. what do you guys think at home? because— what do you guys think at home? because ideologically , home? because ideologically, yes,— home? because ideologically, yes-the— home? because ideologically, yes,-the views- home? because ideologically, yes,-the views of- home? because ideologically, yes, the views of these yes, i share the views of these two— yes, i share the views of these two gents— yes, i share the views of these two gehts aha— yes, i share the views of these two gents and i— yes, i share the views of these two gents and i get it. and i you— two gents and i get it. and i you trow— two gents and i get it. and i you know ht— two gents and i get it. and i you know, it feels like a bit. oh,— you know, it feels like a bit. oh yeah.— you know, it feels like a bit. oh, yeah. vou— you know, it feels like a bit. oh, yeah. you know, profiteering off oh, yeah. you know, profiteering ott water— oh, yeah. you know, profiteering ott water you — oh, yeah. you know, profiteering off water, you know, you nasty capttattst— off water, you know, you nasty capttattst-t— off water, you know, you nasty capitalist- i -it- off water, you know, you nasty capitalist-i-it in- off water, you know, you nasty capitalist i it in my capitalist you. i get it in my hearts.— capitalist you. i get it in my hearts. hut— capitalist you. i get it in my hearts. but then— capitalist you. i get it in my hearts. but then actually, my hearts. but then actually, in my heat,— hearts. but then actually, in my heart-chate- hearts. but then actually, in my head,-make sense. head, it doesn't make sense hecause— head, it doesn't make sense because water,— head, it doesn't make sense because water, it's not just this— because water, it's not just this the— because water, it's not just this kind of— because water, it's not just this kind of for— because water, it's not just this kind of for free all commodity— this kind of for free all commodity nationalisation, as twe— commodity nationalisation, as he just— commodity nationalisation, as t-we iust teet— commodity nationalisation, as i've just been mentioning in scottaht,— i've just been mentioning in scotland,-not_ i've just been mentioning in scotland, not faring too scotland, it's not faring too wet.— scotland, it's not faring too wet hater— scotland, it's not faring too well. karen in— scotland, it's not faring too well. karen in lancashire smart peso— well. karen in lancashire smart peso ,— well. karen in lancashire smart persoh , you— well. karen in lancashire smart persoh , you say,— well. karen in lancashire smart person , you say, what about off? person, you say, what about off? what-s— person, you say, what about off? what-s youre— person, you say, what about off? what's you're saying? none of you— what's you're saying? none of you are— what's you're saying? none of you are touching— what's you're saying? none of you are touching on that. you're saythg— you are touching on that. you're saythg the— you are touching on that. you're saying the regulator is at fault here,— saying the regulator is at fault here, wot— saying the regulator is at fault here, not necessarily. the copahes— here, not necessarily. the companies and- here, not necessarily. the companies and the structure. i think— companies and the structure. i that that-s— companies and the structure. i think that'slvery_ companies and the structure. i think that's very good point. think that's a very good point. eraharh— think that's a very good point. graham, you're— think that's a very good point. graham, you're saying all of this— graham, you're saying all of this privatisation should be scrapped.— this privatisation should be scrapped-are- this privatisation should be scrapped. are raking in scrapped. they are raking in profits— scrapped. they are raking in prottts rtght— scrapped. they are raking in profits right now and it is us yet— profits right now and it is us yet agath— profits right now and it is us yet agath, as— profits right now and it is us yet again, as taxpayers who woutt— yet again, as taxpayers who

woutt pay— yet again, as taxpayers who woutt pay the— yet again, as taxpayers who would pay the bill. got to be honest,— would pay the bill. got to be honest, though,— would pay the bill. got to be honest, though, when you say it shoute— honest, though, when you say it shoutt he— honest, though, when you say it should be scrapped. graham agath— should be scrapped. graham ag... that-s— should be scrapped. graham again, that's in— should be scrapped. graham again, that's in the heart and i gee — again, that's in the heart and i gee hut— again, that's in the heart and i agree hut the— again, that's in the heart and i agree. but the head, what are you— agree. but the head, what are you gohg— agree. but the head, what are you gohg to— agree. but the head, what are you gohg to to— agree. but the head, what are you going to do then? how are you— you going to do then? how are you gohg— you going to do then? how are you gohg to— you going to do then? how are you going to acquire all these assets— you going to acquire all these assets? what— you going to acquire all these assets? what are— you going to acquire all these assets? what are you going to toe— assets? what are you going to toe-going— assets? what are you going to do?-going.seize- assets? what are you going to do? going seize them. do? you're going to seize them. what— do? you're going to seize them. what-charte- do? you're going to seize them. what market value? what a below market value? where are what a below market value? where you— what a below market value? where you gothg— what a below market value? where you gohg to— what a below market value? where you gohg to get— what a below market value? where are you going to get that money trom— are you going to get that money trorh to— are you going to get that money from to purchase— are you going to get that money from to purchase all these assets— assets from those private compares— assets from those private companies -the. assets from those private companies the rest assets from those private - companies-the rest of companies and all the rest of it? companies and all the rest of rte-you— companies and all the rest of rte-you mow— companies and all the rest of it? you know what? i'm it? but you know what? i'm outwotet— it? but you know what? i'm outvoted here _ it? but you know what? i'm outvoted here-i. it? but you know what? i'm outvoted here i can outvoted here tonight. i can sense-hut— outvoted here tonight. i can sense-but you- outvoted here tonight. i can sense but you guys, free sense that. but you guys, free country. — sense that. but you guys, free country-lis— sense that. but you guys, free country. is country. country. it is a free country. it country. it is a free country. tt-tree— country. it is a free country. it-free country. - country. it is a free country. it free country. yeah. and it is a free country. yeah. and it is a free country. yeah. and . tom-t— it is a free country. yeah. and . tom-t ._ it is a free country. yeah. and . tom-t . ca— it is a free country. yeah. and i don't i can hold— it is a free country. yeah. and i don't i can hold my own. i tom-t— i don't i can hold my own. i tom-t mht— i don't i can hold my own. i don't mind being- i don't i can hold my own. i don't mind being in a minority of don't mind being in a minority ot ome— don't mind being in a minority ot t-m— don't mind being in a minority of one. i'm absolutely fine with that.— of one. i'm absolutely fine with that. set— of one. i'm absolutely fine with that. get-thoughts- of one. i'm absolutely fine with that. get thoughts coming that. get your thoughts coming in. that. get your thoughts coming h. —eh— that. get your thoughts coming h. —eh-com. in. gb views at gb news. com. amt— in. gb views at gb news. com. amt-you— in. gb views at gb news. com. amt-youlahte- in. gb views at gb news. com. and -you i able to - in. gb views at gb news. com. and you able to afford and would you be able to afford this— and would you be able to afford thts potehttat— and would you be able to afford this potential 40%_ and would you be able to afford this potential 40% rise this potential 40% water rise they— this potential 40% water rise they cut— this potential 40% water rise can they cut you— this potential 40% water rise can they cut you off with water if can they cut you off with water it you — can they cut you off with water tt you tom-t— can they cut you off with water tt you tom-t pay— can they cut you off with water if you don't pay your bill? can theye— if you don't pay your bill? can thew-thirt— if you don't pay your bill? can they?-think they- if you don't pay your bill? can they? think they can. they? i don't think they can. t-m — they? i don't think they can. i'm -advocating- they? i don't think they can. i'm advocating paying i'm not advocating not paying your— i'm not advocating not paying your-by— i'm not advocating not paying your-toy the— i'm not advocating not paying your-toy the-rm- i'm not advocating not paying your by the i'm just your bill, by the way. i'm just t-m — your bill, by the way. i'm just t-m processmg— your bill, by the way. i'm just i'm processing thoughts i'm processing my own thoughts out—they- i'm processing my own thoughts out—they cah- i'm processing my own thoughts out—they can cuti out loud. i'm sure they can cut you— out loud. i'm sure they can cut you ott— out loud. i'm sure they can cut you oh. anyway,— out loud. i'm sure they can cut you off. anyway, just found you off. anyway, i just found these— you off. anyway, i just found these-hikes— you off. anyway, i just found these hikes absolutely these price hikes absolutely taschathg— these price hikes absolutely fascinating-do- these price hikes absolutely fascinating. do not go fascinating. right? do not go anywhere. — anywhere. you know, this country,— anywhere. you know, this country, sitting anywhere. you know, this. country, - sitting i £18 country, we're sitting on £18 httttoh—ahtl billion worth of furs and russian— billion worth of furs and russian assets. what should we do

russian assets. what should we to—tt— russian assets. what should we to—tt ahythhg- russian assets. what should we do_if anything at. do with them, if anything at atte— do with them, if anything at all? thoughts—

is saying we won't have food and water— is saying we won't have food and water h— is saying we won't have food and water it you— is saying we won't have food and water if you don't— is saying we won't have food and water if you don't listen to us. ttsteh— water if you don't listen to us. ttsteh to— water if you don't listen to us. listen to him.— water if you don't listen to us. listen to him. _ water if you don't listen to us. listen to him. /»s». ”»s c 5s.“ g listen to him. you're listening to gb news newsradio . hello, to gb news newsradio. hello, everyone. i'm michelle- c15 \ \: hello, everyone. i'm michelle dewberry with— everyone. i'm michelle dewberry with you— everyone. i'm michelle dewberry with you tht— everyone. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00— everyone. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight atomgstte— with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me,- with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the author and the academic— alongside me, the author and the academic frank— alongside me, the author and the academic frank brady and the co—toumter— academic frank brady and the co—founder of— academic frank brady and the co—founder of novara media, aaron— co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani.— co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. welcome back, eweryhoty— aaron bastani. welcome back, eweryhoty .— aaron bastani. welcome back, eweryhoty . we— aaron bastani. welcome back, everybody . we know steve says everybody. we know steve says t-m — everybody. we know steve says t-m hot— everybody. we know steve says i'm not normally— everybody. we know steve says i'm not normally in favour of prtwattset— i'm not normally in favour of privatised action,— i'm not normally in favour of privatised action, but i have one exception,— privatised action, but i have one exception, and that would be the water— one exception, and that would be the water companies. he says its— the water companies. he says its too— the water companies. he says it's too important— the water companies. he says it's too important a resource to teawe— it's too important a resource to teawe h— it's too important a resource to teawe th the— it's too important a resource to leave in the hands— it's too important a resource to leave in the hands of private comahpes— leave in the hands of private comahpes .— leave in the hands of private companies . we'll do everyone companies. we'll do everyone that-s— companies. we'll do everyone has h— companies. we'll do everyone that's in favour— companies. we'll do everyone that's in favour of— companies. we'll do everyone that's in favour of nationalised actor— that's in favour of nationalised acttoh amt— that's in favour of nationalised action and that's— that's in favour of nationalised action and that's an opinion and ahsotutety— action and that's an opinion and ahsotutety-to— action and that's an opinion and absolutely-to it.- action and that's an opinion and absolutely to it. tell absolutely entitled to it. tell me— absolutely entitled to it. tell me them— absolutely entitled to it. tell me them why— absolutely entitled to it. tell me then, why you think, for me then, why do you think, for exampte— me then, why do you think, for example, scotland where it is example, in scotland where it is mtomattsect— example, in scotland where it is nationalised, it's— example, in scotland where it is nationalised, it's working nationalised, it's not working very—ts- nationalised, it's not working very—ts the- nationalised, it's not working. very—is the answer very well? if that is the answer , i very well? if that is the answer . . tom-t— very well? if that is the answer . . tom-t mow.— very well? if that is the answer , i don't know. is— very well? if that is the answer , i don't know. is it— very well? if that is the answer , i don't know. is it the management- , i don't know. is it the management there, the people there.— management there, the people there-the— management there, the people there, the structure there, or is it the structure ttsett— there, or is it the structure ttsett ts— there, or is it the structure itself is not— there, or is it the structure itself is not fit— there, or is it the structure itself is not fit for purpose? hour— itself is not fit for purpose? your thoughts— itself is not fit for purpose? your thoughts all of that? your thoughts on all of that? hut— your thoughts on all of that? put yesterday— your thoughts on all of that? but yesterday a— your thoughts on all of that? but yesterday a parliament that i've but yesterday a parliament that t-we-husy— but yesterday a parliament that i've busy discussing i've been busy discussing whether— i've been busy discussing whether or— i've been busy discussing whether or not- i've been busy discussing whether or not we should allow troeh —to - whether or not we should allow trozeh—to he- frozen russian assets to be

repurposet— frozen russian assets to be repurposed for— frozen russian assets to be repurposed for ukraine's recoery— repurposed for ukraine's recovery . just- repurposed for ukraine's recovery . just to give you some recovery. just to give you some context— recovery. just to give you some context or — recovery. just to give you some context on this,— recovery. just to give you some context on this, the uk is troeh— context on this, the uk is frozen more— context on this, the uk is frozen more than 18 us 1.8 button— frozen more than 18 us 1.8 billion with— frozen more than 18 us 1.8 billion with a— frozen more than 18 us 1.8 billion with a b— frozen more than 18 us 1.8 billion with a b in russian assets— billion with a b in russian assets. we've— billion with a b in russian assets. we've committed 4.6 button— assets. we've committed 4.6 httttoh to— assets. we've committed 4.6 billion to military assistance in whate— billion to military assistance in ukraine so— billion to military assistance in ukraine so far— billion to military assistance in ukraine so far. i mean, it's a time— in ukraine so far. i mean, it's a ttttte tht— in ukraine so far. i mean, it's a little bit of— in ukraine so far. i mean, it's a little bit of a— in ukraine so far. i mean, it's a little bit of a no- in ukraine so far. i mean, it's a little bit of a no brainer. tet-s— a little bit of a no brainer. tet-s hot— a little bit of a no brainer. let's not let's— a little bit of a no brainer. let's not let's not we'll talk about— let's not let's not we'll talk about the— let's not let's not we'll talk about the legalities and all the rest— about the legalities and all the rest ot— about the legalities and all the rest ot ht— about the legalities and all the rest ot it h— about the legalities and all the rest of it in a— about the legalities and all the rest of it in a minute. but it's a tht— rest of it in a minute. but it's a htt ot— rest of it in a minute. but it's a htt ot a— rest of it in a minute. but it's a htt ot a mom— rest of it in a minute. but it's a bit of a non brainer if you've setzet— a bit of a non brainer if you've setzet these— a bit of a non brainer if you've seized these assets in the first ptace— seized these assets in the first ptace amt— seized these assets in the first place and there's— seized these assets in the first place and there's a dispute about— place and there's a dispute about whether— place and there's a dispute about whether or not, you know, some—that— about whether or not, you know, some—that we- about whether or not, you know, some that we should some would say that we should have—ttrst- some would say that we should have _first place. i have done in the first place. hut— have done in the first place. pup-pig,— have done in the first place. but-that, we've- have done in the first place. but that, we've got it now. but for that, we've got it now. so but for that, we've got it now. so whatever. — but for that, we've got it now. so whatever. why— but for that, we've got it now. so whatever. why are we then spemthg— so whatever. why are we then spemtmg wh— so whatever. why are we then spending uk money, taxpayers money— spending uk money, taxpayersi money—whrahe money on assistance to ukraine amt—rte- money on assistance to ukraine amt—rte whehl and all the rest of it? when you-e— and all the rest of it? when you've-assets- and all the rest of it? when you've-assets of- and all the rest of it? when you've assets of the people you've got assets of the people that— you've got assets of the people that are— you've got assets of the people that are creating— you've got assets of the people that are creating situation that are creating the situation in that are creating the situation h-sttthg— that are creating the situation tm-sttthg h- that are creating the situation in sitting in banks in in ukraine, sitting in banks in thts— in ukraine, sitting in banks in thts-its— in ukraine, sitting in banks in this it's bonkers. this country, it's bonkers. so yeah.— this country, it's bonkers. so yeah,-inclined- this country, it's bonkers. so yeah, - inclined to - this country, it's bonkers. so yeah, inclined to agree. yeah, i'm inclined to agree. michel i think i think michel and i think i think really should spent really actually should be spent in i mean, you might in the uk. i mean, you might want of course, on want to spend, of course, on weapons, but the idea that we're going on going to spend this on reconstruction in ukraine, they've that war, they've got to win that war, first all. and i just find it

first of all. and i just find it i it strange because you i find it strange because you have to bear in mind a lot of these assets are going to be high london properties. so high value london properties. so i strange we've got i find it strange when we've got a crisis in this a housing crisis in this country, people can't country, lots of people can't afford to get on the property ladden afford to get on the property ladder, can't afford their rent. the has to the government has access to billions of pounds worth of properties. now, i'm not suggesting you i would personally say that and personally say sell that and maybe on social maybe spend it on social housing, construction or whatever, should whatever, but they should clearly those assets clearly be using those assets for public, which, for the british public, which, by includes several by the way, includes several hundred thousand people who've fled ukraine and fled the war in ukraine and who've that be who've come here. that would be benefiting them, so i think benefiting them, too. so i think this a very proposal this is a very strange proposal from labour. do you what do you thirte— from labour. do you what do you thhhelhe— from labour. do you what do you think?.be frank,— from labour. do you what do you think?.be frank, i— ” do you what do you think? be frank, i disagree think? to be frank, i disagree with— think? to be frank, i disagree with-proposal. - think? to be frank, i disagree with-proposal. i- think? to be frank, i disagree with proposal. "

world war when they were when we seized a lot of their assets. and many respects , the and in many respects, the horrible developments that happened germany afterwards, happened in germany afterwards, leading the rise of hitler , leading to the rise of hitler, are not unconnected to some of the decisions that were made, which seemed sensible at the time. but but actually led to some very negative consequences . and what i worry about is that we don't really know who's who are the main players in this, who are the ones that need to be punished after the war. i'm all i'm all for ensuring that the russian state pays a very heavy price for the destruction that they kind of created within the ukraine itself. but it's not us here in britain. they basically say we've taken away these resources. but do you think we shoute— resources. but do you think we shoutt have— resources. but do you think we should have taken— ”»t.»s~;: but do you think we should have taken them in the first— should have taken them in the ttrst ptacee — should have taken them in the first place? i— should have taken them in the first place? i think- should have taken them in the first place? i think probably on balance, sanctions and taking them away was a good decision. but a decision that in a but it's a decision that in a sense we took at the time to see what would happen later on. it's a sure that the a way of making sure that the russian oligarchy understood

that they were, in a sense , that they were, in a sense, marginalised and ostracised and ghettoised from civil life . but ghettoised from civil life. but at the same time we have to be sufficiently sophisticated covid not to fall into the trap of just in a demagogic way saying, all right, we'll make the russians will give it to the ukrainians, because if we do that, then we might be breaking all kinds of laws. we might be punishing of punishing the wrong kind of people. just got to be people. and we've just got to be a little bit careful when we do that. do you worry about the prmctpte— that. do you worry about the prmctpte ot— that. do you worry about the principle of this— do you worry about the principle of this whole kind of motor— principle of this whole kind of motor ot— principle of this whole kind of notion of rights?— principle of this whole kind of notion of rights? okay. so let's just— notion of rights? okay. so let's rust-ruth— notion of rights? okay. so let's just-putin has— notion of rights? okay. so let's just putin has done just say putin has done something— just say putin has done something you're something wrong and you you're his-therefore- something wrong and you you're his-therefore i'm- something wrong and you you're his therefore i'm going his mate, so therefore i'm going to-your— his mate, so therefore i'm going to-your hou - his mate, so therefore i'm goingi to -your house. .you to confiscate your house. do you hote— to confiscate your house. do you mote-the — to confiscate your house. do you mote-the a— to confiscate your house. do you mote-the a part- to confiscate your house. do you not?-like a part of- to confiscate your house. do you not? like a part of you not? is there like a part of you that— not? is there like a part of you that thinks— not? is there like a part of you that thinks,-not_ not? is there like a part of you that thinks, not really that thinks, i'm not really. sure,-comfortable that thinks, i'm not really- sure,-comfortable with sure, massively comfortable with that? — sure, massively comfortable with that? - . — sure, massively comfortable with that? -i think— sure, massively comfortable with that? -i think the- that? yeah, i think the principle is a very dangerous one. but let's say we've done it. mean, that's point. so it. i mean, that's the point. so the here is what would the question here is what would you assets? but you do with those assets? but i do with you. i think it do agree with you. i think it probably would have made sense to on balance, i do agree with it you had to raise the it because you had to raise the disincentive for the russian

ruling support ruling class to support the war and on. but didn't work, and so on. but it didn't work, by way. exactly i mean, by the way. exactly i mean, we're what? by the way. exactly i mean, we're-what? how- f imean, we're what? how many we're like, what? how many mohthse— we're like, what? how many months?-are- we're like, what? how many months?-are we- we're like, what? how many months? are we now? 16 months? what are we now? 16 months— months? what are we now? 16 months trom — months? what are we now? 16 months from the _ months? what are we now? 16 months from the situation as it curremtty— months from the situation as it currently-ukraine?- months from the situation as it currerpeople ukraine? months from the situation as it currerpeople say ukraine? months from the situation as it currerpeople say itukraine? months from the situation as it currerpeople say it goes �*ie? months from the situation as it currerpeople say it goes back way many people say it goes back way turther— many people say it goes back way turther that— many people say it goes back way further than just— many people say it goes back way further than just february last year.— further than just february last year-citat— further than just february last year,-didn't work.- year, but it didn't work. it washt— year, but it didn't work. it wasn't effective at all. \»»s» year, but it didn't work. it wasn't effective at all. \»»s:» wasn't effective at all. no, but wett— wasn't effective at all. no, but wett. we— wasn't effective at all. no, but wett. we tom-t— wasn't effective at all. no, but well, we don't know . mean there well, we don't know. mean there could been a very different could have been a very different set circumstances if we set of circumstances if we hadn't, instance, prosecuted hadn't, for instance, prosecuted sanctions. et cetera. there's an alternative reality which we don't about fundamentally. alternative reality which we don�*what about fundamentally. alternative reality which we don�*what i about fundamentally. alternative reality which we don�*what i would fundamentally. alternative reality which we don�*what i would sayiamentally. alternative reality which we don�*what i would say here ntally. alternative reality which we don�*what i would say here isilly. but what i would say here is there are estimates in terms of there are estimates in terms of the costs of reconstructing ukraine. you're looking at around trillion. so around a half $1 trillion. so first all, 18 trillion, no, first of all, 18 trillion, no, £18 billion, rather, isn't really going to touch the surface. there is still a conflict going on. we don't really know the final borders of ukraine. and whenever this conflict suspended conflict ends or is suspended and just and it just seems it's just about getting headline . and i about getting a headline. and i think there's a live think when there's a live conflict, battle conflict, you know, the battle of bakhmut, that's one of the biggest battles of 21st biggest battles of the 21st century. you've got century. so far. when you've got a party trying to just a political party trying to just get, know, it's not just get, you know, and it's not just laboun get, you know, and it's not just labour, we a lot labour, of course, we saw a lot with tories as well under with the tories as well under bods with the tories as well under boris they're trying to get

boris when they're trying to get headunes boris when they're trying to get headlines they're trying to headlines and they're trying to curry favour with opinion polls, i distasteful, i find it kind of distasteful, frankly. i mean, would frankly. so i mean, i would personally some of personally like to see some of it in the uk like it invested in the uk like i said, because a lot of this is uk housing stock and when we talk the redevelopment of talk about the redevelopment of ukraine, which something ukraine, which is something that you just touched that is you just touched upon, that is that responsibility? that our responsibility? well, not i think a not entirely. i think it's a gtohat— not entirely. i think it's ai gtohat—to global responsibility. i do that— global responsibility. i do think—take- global responsibility. i do think—take a. global responsibility. i do- think_take a reality think we have to take a reality check— think we have to take a reality check because _ think we have to take a reality check because there's a lot of rhetoric— check because there's a lot of rhetoric-the _ check because there's a lot of rhetoric-the -of l rhetoric about the nature of the prohtems— rhetoric about the nature of the prohtems. .— rhetoric about the nature of the problems. i-really- rhetoric about the nature of the problems. i really worried problems. i i'm really worried about—turning- problems. i i'm really worriedi about—turning into about the ukraine turning into thts— about the ukraine turning into this semi—colony— about the ukraine turning into this semi—colony where where peopte— this semi—colony where where peopte wit— this semi—colony where where people will use— this semi—colony where where people will use the whole rehuttthg— people will use the whole rebuilding of— people will use the whole rebuilding of the country as a way— rebuilding of the country as a way ot— rebuilding of the country as a way ot matthg— rebuilding of the country as a way of making big investments in there— way of making big investments in there .— way of making big investments in there . there-s— way of making big investments in there . there's already a lot of there. there's already a lot of evidence— there. there's already a lot of evidence that— there. there's already a lot of evidence that-of- there. there's already a lot of evidence that of big evidence that a lot of big american— evidence that a lot of big american companies, other american companies, in other worst— american companies, in other words—mo- american companies, in other words,_into the. words, are moving into the whate— words, are moving into the ukraine-buying- words, are moving into the ukraine buying up ukraine and buying up land hecause— ukraine and buying up land hecause-at— ukraine and buying up land because at moment is because land at the moment is reatty— because land at the moment is catty-there.— because land at the moment is really-there. so,- because land at the moment is really there. so, you really cheap there. so, you mow.— really cheap there. so, you hmowlthhh— really cheap there. so, you know, think that a know, i think that there's a the— know, i think that there's a kind performative aspect both kind of performative aspect both by kind of performative aspect both hy-sort— kind of performative aspect both hy-sort ot— kind of performative aspect both by-sort of decision,- by labourers sort of decision, hut— by labourers sort of decision, hut atso— by labourers sort of decision, but also what's— by labourers sort of decision, but also what's really performative is what we've done in the — performative is what we've done in the first— performative is what we've done in the first place— performative is what we've done in the first place where we just hastcatty— in the first place where we just basically said— in the first place where we just basically said we— in the first place where we just basically said we want to do something— basically said we want to do something that— basically said we want to do something that looks good, that gets— something that looks good, that gets-headlines,- something that looks good, that gets headlines, but at gets all the headlines, but at the same— gets all the headlines, but at the same time— gets all the headlines, but at the same time we've got all these—

the same time we've got all these massive _ the same time we've got all these massive figures how these massive figures about how much— these massive figures about how much the— these massive figures about how much the ukrainian economy will meet— much the ukrainian economy will meet to— much the ukrainian economy will need to rebuild— much the ukrainian economy will need to rebuild itself. but at the— need to rebuild itself. but at the ema— need to rebuild itself. but at the era ot— need to rebuild itself. but at the end of the— need to rebuild itself. but at the end of the day, the decision wit— the end of the day, the decision with have— the end of the day, the decision with have to— the end of the day, the decision will have to be— the end of the day, the decision will have to be made. who is going— will have to be made. who is gomg to— will have to be made. who is going to pay— will have to be made. who is going to pay for_ will have to be made. who is going to pay for this? which couttrtes— going to pay for this? which countries you— going to pay for this? which countries you know, how is this going— countries you know, how is this gomg to— countries you know, how is this gomg to he— countries you know, how is this going to be organised? and i think— going to be organised? and i that that— going to be organised? and i think that britain cannot do thts— think that britain cannot do this unilaterally. it's to this unilaterally. it's got to be this unilaterally. it's got to he-h— this unilaterally. it's got to be in conjunction with be done in conjunction with other— be done in conjunction with other countries. “»ss other countries. yes, the us is looking about what other countries are doing. the european union- countries are doing. the european union is- g the european union is working apparemtty— european union is working apparemtty to— european union is working apparently to ensure that tusstah— apparently to ensure that russian central bank reserves apparently to ensure that rusebei central bank reserves apparently to ensure that rusrbe repurposed.|k reserves apparently to ensure that rusrbe repurposed. theyarves apparently to ensure that rusrbe repurposed. they want to can be repurposed. they want to do can be repurposed. they want to to that— can be repurposed. they want to to that hy— can be repurposed. they want to to that by the— can be repurposed. they want to do that by the summer. the us, they-we— do that by the summer. the us, they've apparently— do that by the summer. the us, they've apparently got a bill that— they've apparently got a bill that woutt— they've apparently got a bill that would allow for state assets— that would allow for state assets to — that would allow for state assets to be _ that would allow for state assets to be repurposed . canada assets to be repurposed. canada has— assets to be repurposed. canada has charged— assets to be repurposed. canada has changed its— assets to be repurposed. canada has changed its legislation as wett— has changed its legislation as wett to— has changed its legislation as well to allow— has changed its legislation as well to allow for— has changed its legislation as well to allow for the confiscation - well to allow for the confiscation russian state confiscation of russian state assets— confiscation of russian state assets-handover. confiscation of russian state assets handover to assets and their handover to whate— assets and their handover to ukraine. look— assets and their handover to ukraine. look i— assets and their handover to ukraine. look i know that i'm mayhe— ukraine. look i know that i'm mayhe. perhaps— ukraine. look i know that i'm maybe, perhaps not supposed to say thts— maybe, perhaps not supposed to say this because— maybe, perhaps not supposed to say this because i— maybe, perhaps not supposed to say this because i know we're all say this because i know we're at supposed— say this because i know we're all supposed to— say this because i know we're all supposed to sit there and say,— all supposed to sit there and say. yes.— all supposed to sit there and say. yes. you — all supposed to sit there and say, yes, you know, punish the russians — say, yes, you know, punish the russians, russians. russians, punish the russians. amt—get- russians, punish the russians. amt—get that- and i absolutely get that sentiment.— and i absolutely get that sentiment-is. and i absolutely get that. sentiment. -is just sentiment. but there is just thts— sentiment. but there is just thts-seme- sentiment. but there is just this-sense in- sentiment. but there is just this-sense in me. sentiment. but there is just this sense in me that this nagging sense in me that there-s— this nagging sense in me that there's something all there's something about all thts.— there's something about all thts-a— there's something about all this-a little- there's something about all this-a little bit. this. i'm just a little bit uncomfortable with the whole this. i'm just a little bit unco of,)rtable with the whole this. i'm just a little bit unco of, you le with the whole this. i'm just a little bit unco of, you know,i the whole this. i'm just a little bit unco of, you know, him whole this. i'm just a little bit unco of, you know, him and le this. i'm just a little bit unco of, you know, him and he's

kind of, you know, him and he's hat.— kind of, you know, him and he's tact-rust— kind of, you know, him and he's hag-rust gohg- kind of, you know, him and he's bad.-just going to- bad. so we're just going to steam — bad. so we're just going to steam ith— bad. so we're just going to steam .in here - bad. so we're just going to steam in here and we're going steam on in here and we're going to take— steam on in here and we're going to take your— steam on in here and we're going to take your stuff.— steam on in here and we're going to take your stuff. it's prohahty— to take your stuff. it's probably not- to take your stuff. it's probably not going any probably not going to have any ettect— probably not going to have any ettect. hut— probably not going to have any effect, but-so— probably not going to have any effect, but-so that- probably not going to have any effect, but so that we look effect, but just so that we look good— effect, but just so that we look good amt— effect, but just so that we look good amt-tick- effect, but just so that we look good and -tick a - effect, but just so that we look good and tick a box and good and we can tick a box and say— good and we can tick a box and say we— good and we can tick a box and say we teet— good and we can tick a box and say we feel-we're- good and we can tick a box and say we feel we're doing say we feel like we're doing something— say we feel like we're doing something-what. say we feel like we're doing- something-what we're something and then what we're going— something and then what we're gomglto— something and then what we're gomglto ts— something and then what we're gomglto ts sht— something and then what we're going do is sit there, we're going to do is sit there, we're going— going to do is sit there, we're gomg to— going to do is sit there, we're gomg to have— going to do is sit there, we're going to have this little like conversation _ do| going to have this little like. conversation _ do we conversation about what do we want— conversation about what do we wahtlto— conversation about what do we wamtlto with— conversation about what do we want. do with this - conversation about what do we want do with this thing that want to do with this thing that hust— want to do with this thing that we've just-off?- want to do with this thing that we've just off? you we've just nicked off? you i just— we've just nicked off? you i just-something- we've just nicked off? you i just something about it. just there's something about it. twe— just there's something about it. toe-say. — just there's something about it. toe-say. liust- just there's something about it. i've say. just makes i've got to say. it just makes me— i've got to say. it just makes me-a— i've got to say. it just makes me-a ttttte— i've got to say. it just makes me-a little bit- i've got to say. it just makes me a little bit uneasy. as me feel a little bit uneasy. as tucy— me feel a little bit uneasy. as tucy-thetr- me feel a little bit uneasy. as lucy -their money. me feel a little bit uneasy. as. lucy -their money and lucy says, take their money and spent— lucy says, take their money and spehtloh— lucy says, take their money and spendlon social— lucy says, take their money and spend on social care and spend it on social care and memtat— spend it on social care and memtat-aht- spend it on social care and mental and everyone spend it on social care and- mental-and everyone will mental health and everyone will hate— mental health and everyone will have -cause. an - have their own cause. an area that— have their own cause. an area that they— have their own cause. an area that they want— have their own cause. an area that they want spend this that they want to spend this money— that they want to spend this money-its— that they want to spend this money-it's not- that they want to spend this money it's not our money on. but it's not our money — money on. but it's not our money they-re— money on. but it's not our- money. they're-assets. money. they're not our assets. amt— money. they're not our assets. amtlthat-s— money. they're not our assets. and .that's kind- money. they're not our assets. andlthat's kind of- money. they're not our assets. and that's kind of what and if that's kind of what couttrtes— and if that's kind of what countries can— and if that's kind of what countries can do, just nick the assets— countries can do, just nick the assets ot— countries can do, just nick the assets of someone— countries can do, just nick the assets of someone because he's a mate— assets of someone because he's a matesomeome-— assets of someone because he's a mate someone else's, that you mate of someone else's, that you tom-t— mate of someone else's, that you tort—the— mate of someone else's, that you don't—the line?- don't like, where's the line? who— don't like, where's the line? who-teete- don't like, where's the line? who - decide that. who gets to decide that line? i that— who gets to decide that line? i that its— who gets to decide that line? i that tt-slwery— who gets to decide that line? i think it's very slippery think it's a very slippery stopo— think it's a very slippery stope. ht— think it's a very slippery stope. tt you— think it's a very slippery slope, if you ask me, and i'm you-th— slope, if you ask me, and i'm sure you'll tell— slope, if you ask me, and i'm sure you'll tell me if you disagree— sure you'll tell me if you disagree over— sure you'll tell me if you disagree over wales, disagree over in wales, get thts.— disagree over in wales, get thts—hotetl this, everybody, 95 hotel worersh— this, everybody, 95 hotel workers are _ this, everybody, 95 hotel workers are being made redundant.— workers are being made redundant. why i workers are being made redundant. why-i you redundant. why well, i bet you atreaty— redundant. why well, i bet youi atreaty—ot already know. why don't you of course. _asylum - course. it's so that asylum seeehrs— course. it's so that asylum seekers can move in.

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apple and android or head straight to gb _ apple and android or head straight to gb news dot com . straight to gb news dot com. hotte— straight to gb news dot com. hetto there. — straight to gb news dot com. hello there. welcome- straight to gb news dot com. hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. we're having a fascinating debate in that break about those. you remember that lady that was sentenced in prison. i don't know how we got on to that, but that's the that's the conversation that we were debating. that lady that aborted at 30 odd aborted her child at 30 odd weeks. is a debate that weeks. that is a debate that will rumble on and on. you will rumble on and on. do you remember get this, remember it? anyway, get this, everybody, 95 workers at stroudley park hotel in wales are about to be given the boot. the old heave made redundant. why? well you guessed it, the home office is making way for yet another migrant hotel . i've yet another migrant hotel. i've got to say , let's cut straight got to say, let's cut straight to the chase on this one. this government, frank, have absolutely lost control. now, when it comes to migrant portion control of the borders and all the rest of it, i don't see how they're ever going to get it back. and now you've got these people, these grafters in wales

that are working and given the boot to accommodate people that quite really quite frankly, shouldn't really be the first be here currently in the first place. yeah i tend to agree with you. ithink place. yeah i tend to agree with you. i think what really i find ttsturhhg— you. i think what really i find ttsturhhg ts— you. i think what really i find disturbing is that— i think what really i find disturbing is that there's two eme— disturbing is that there's two issues. one is— disturbing is that there's two issues. one is migrants come here— issues. one is migrants come here tttegatty— issues. one is migrants come here illegally or— issues. one is migrants come here illegally or legally and do we have— here illegally or legally and do we have an obligation to, first of we have an obligation to, first ot att— we have an obligation to, first of all, welcome— we have an obligation to, first of all, welcome them, put them into— of all, welcome them, put them hto a— of all, welcome them, put them hto a hotet— of all, welcome them, put them into a hotel and— of all, welcome them, put them into a hotel and pay for that out— into a hotel and pay for that out at— into a hotel and pay for that out at a— into a hotel and pay for that out at a time— into a hotel and pay for that out at a time when we have very big out at a time when we have very htg ecohomtc— out at a time when we have very big economic problems . and it big economic problems. and it to— big economic problems. and it seems to me that— big economic problems. and it seems to me that in the real worth.— seems to me that in the real word thts— seems to me that in the real world, this is— seems to me that in the real world, this is just— seems to me that in the real world, this is just an invitation— world, this is just an invitation for more migrants to out— invitation for more migrants to out . .— invitation for more migrants to come out . i know— invitation for more migrants to come out . i know from personal come out. i know from personal epeece— come out. i know from personal experience, because i was an immigrant— experience, because i was an immigrant migrant myself when i was immigrant migrant myself when i years— immigrant migrant myself when i was nine years old— immigrant migrant myself when i was nine years old and when we thet— was nine years old and when we ttet humgary— was nine years old and when we fled hungary and— was nine years old and when we fled hungary and ended up in austria— fled hungary and ended up in austrta .— fled hungary and ended up in austrta . we— fled hungary and ended up in austria , we were— fled hungary and ended up in austria , we were put into these austria, we were put into these barracks— austria, we were put into these harrachs amt— austria, we were put into these barracks and literally there woutt— barracks and literally there woutt he— barracks and literally there would be 30— barracks and literally there would be 30 families within those— would be 30 families within those barracks— would be 30 families within those barracks ,_ would be 30 families within those barracks , you know, those barracks, you know, steepmg— those barracks, you know, sleeping side— those barracks, you know, sleeping side by side. there was no question— sleeping side by side. there was to question ot— sleeping side by side. there was no question of going to a hotel. that-s— no question of going to a hotel. has what— no question of going to a hotel. that's what you _ no question of going to a hotel. that's what you had . and, you that's what you had. and, you mow.— that's what you had. and, you know that— that's what you had. and, you know, that was— that's what you had. and, you know, that was fair enough . know, that was fair enough. wohoty— know, that was fair enough. nobody complained about it hecause— nobody complained about it

because was— nobody complained about it because was in— nobody complained about it because was in a sense we were in somehoty-s— because was in a sense we were in somebody's else's country. hut— in somebody's else's country. hut the— in somebody's else's country. hut the very— in somebody's else's country. but the very idea— in somebody's else's country. but the very idea that we don't the— but the very idea that we don't the other— but the very idea that we don't find other solutions to this much— find other solutions to this much cheaper— find other solutions to this much cheaper solutions that also act as— much cheaper solutions that also act as a— much cheaper solutions that also act as a disincentive for people to come— act as a disincentive for people to ts— act as a disincentive for people to ts cay — act as a disincentive for people to come is crazy. the second prohtem— to come is crazy. the second prohtem with— to come is crazy. the second problem with this story is that in problem with this story is that th smatt— problem with this story is that in small communities is when you hang— in small communities is when you hrhg h— in small communities is when you hrhg in too— in small communities is when you bring in 100 migrant families or huhgartah— bring in 100 migrant families or hungarian migrants, that's a huge— hungarian migrants, that's a huge tmpact— hungarian migrants, that's a huge tmpact oh— hungarian migrants, that's a huge impact on that community. if huge impact on that community. h you— huge impact on that community. h you have— huge impact on that community. rt you have m— huge impact on that community. if you have if you— huge impact on that community. if you have if you bring in 100 peopte— if you have if you bring in 100 peopte hto— if you have if you bring in 100 people into london, that doesn't have— people into london, that doesn't have the— people into london, that doesn't have the the— people into london, that doesn't have the kind of— people into london, that doesn't have the kind of impact on everyday— have the kind of impact on ewerytay the.— have the kind of impact on everyday life. but when you go to smatt— everyday life. but when you go to small communities and i've teem— to small communities and i've been to— to small communities and i've been to a— to small communities and i've been to a tew— to small communities and i've been to a few places in england where— been to a few places in england where you— been to a few places in england where you have— been to a few places in england where you havellot_ been to a few places in england where you have lot of where you have a lot of mtgramts— where you have a lot of migrants, community where you have a lot of- migrants,-community changes migrants, the community changes torewer ot— migrants, the community changes forever, of course,— migrants, the community changes forever, of course, and people who— forever, of course, and people who-there— forever, of course, and people who-there tell- forever, of course, and people who there tell you and who grew up there tell you and you— who grew up there tell you and you mow.— who grew up there tell you and you mow. they— who grew up there tell you and you know, they tell you quite homestty— you know, they tell you quite honestly that _ you know, they tell you quite honestly that this not the honestly that this is not the town— honestly that this is not the town-grew— honestly that this is not the town-grew up- honestly that this is not the town-grew up in- honestly that this is not the town grew up in they town they grew up in this they no tohger— town they grew up in this they no longer recognise themselves as having— no longer recognise themselves as hawmg amy— no longer recognise themselves as having any special privileges and as having any special privileges amt-hecause— as having any special privileges and-because their- and rights because their tamtttes— and rights because their families have- and rights because their families have lived there torewer— families have lived there forever . and— families have lived there forever . and that's not racism. forever. and that's not racism. that-s— forever. and that's not racism. that-s hot— forever. and that's not racism. that's not being— forever. and that's not racism. that's not being xenophobic. that-s— that's not being xenophobic. thats a— that's not being xenophobic. that's a fact— that's not being xenophobic. that's a fact of— that's not being xenophobic. that's a fact of life that peopte— that's a fact of life that peopte that— that's a fact of life that people that people's way of life in these — people that people's way of life in these small— people that people's way of life in these small communities has teem— in these small communities has teem-upstate— in these small communities has

been-upside down. - in these small communities has been upside down. and been turned upside down. and them— been turned upside down. and them to— been turned upside down. and them to mate— been turned upside down. and then to make matters worse, then these— then to make matters worse, then these peopte— then to make matters worse, then these people then— then to make matters worse, then these people then stay a these people then stay in a hotel — these people then stay in a hotel .— these people then stay in a hotel. i find- these people then stay in a hotel. i find that extremely troublesome. _ hotel. i find that extremely troublesome. »:»s» hotel. i find that extremely- troublesome. _do i. and troublesome. well, so do i. and by the— troublesome. well, so do i. and by the way.— troublesome. well, so do i. and by the way, whilst— troublesome. well, so do i. and by the way, whilst i— troublesome. births“ »:»s:» and by the way, whilst i was talking at the — by the way, whilst i was talking at the start— by the way, whilst i was talking at the start of— by the way, whilst i was talking at the start of that, you will have— at the start of that, you will have seen some— at the start of that, you will have seen some footage of some guys— have seen some footage of some guys steepmg— have seen some footage of some guy5 sleeping on_ have seen some footage of some guys sleeping on the streets. do you— guys sleeping on the streets. do you remember— guys sleeping on the streets. do you remember that- guys sleeping on the streets. do you remember that case that was about hotel in london was about a hotel in london where fellows there decided where the fellows there decided they room? they they didn't like the room? they said want the room said they didn't want the room weren't so sat weren't good enough. so that sat on screen. now they decided on the screen. now they decided to to the streets, eats and to take to the streets, eats and sleep street because they sleep on the street because they didn't like the room, i think. i don't know. you think you are. anyway, it's anyway, aaron yeah, it's a really complex story. so it sounds to me like- ”saga »ss“ busy so it sounds to me like this ”saga »ss“ 5»s»3 so it sounds to me like this hotel is being— sounds to me like this hotel is hehg—to— sounds to me like this hotel is hehg—to-homei being given over to the home emce— being given over to the home etttce amt— being given over to the home office and its— being given over to the home office and its housing contractor, _ office and its housing contractor, which is called ctearsprmgs.— contractor, which is called clearsprings. they've clearsprings. and so they've sachet— clearsprings. and so they've sacked _these - clearsprings. and so they've sacked these workers sacked all of these workers who are-h— sacked all of these workers who are - in - hospitality - are there in the hospitality industry— are there in the hospitality. htustry—to industry and they're going to get-peopte- industry and they're going to get-peopte trom i get loads of people from clearsprings,_ get loads of people from clearsprings, presumably are clearsprings, presumably who are patt— clearsprings, presumably who are paid-by— clearsprings, presumably who are pattlhy the— clearsprings, presumably who are paid by the taxpayer and paid for by the taxpayer and operatmg— paid for by the taxpayer and operating through a contract with— operating through a contract with the— operating through a contract with the home— operating through a contract with the home office . and i find with the home office. and i find this extraordinary— with the home office. and i find this extraordinary .— with the home office. and i find this extraordinary . first of this extraordinary. first of ally— this extraordinary. first of gr, tt-s— this extraordinary. first of gr, tt-s ah— this extraordinary. first of all, it's an extraordinarily bad way— all, it's an extraordinarily bad way to— all, it's an extraordinarily bad way to treat— all, it's an extraordinarily bad way to treat workers. but this is happening up and down the this not a unique situation

this is not a unique situation to this hotel in wales. there are there hotels up and down are there are hotels up and down the have been the country now that have been requisitioned office the country now that have been reifulltioned office the country now that have been reifull where office the country now that have been reifull where their office the country now that have been reifull where their staff office the country now that have been reifull where their staff havezice in full where their staff have been given the boot. no. and it's been given the boot. no. and its something— been given the boot. no. and it's something we've- " g »s" no. and it's something we've actually coeret— it's something we've actually covered on novara we had covered on novara media. we had a-hteresthg— covered on novara media. we had a-interesting-about. a really interesting story about thts.— a really interesting story about thts-thts— a really interesting story about thts-thtsla- a really interesting story about this.-this.a reallyi this. what you this is a really awtut— this. what you this is a really awtut-ot— this. what you this is a really awful-of running- this. what you this is a really awful of running things, by awful way of running things, by the—you- awful way of running things, by the—you have- the way, because you have outsourcing— the way, because you have outsourcing regards to the outsourcing with regards to the statthg. — outsourcing with regards to the stattmg. they— outsourcing with regards to the staffing. they don't often know the taw— staffing. they don't often know the taw. they— staffing. they don't often know the law. they often don't know . the law. they often don't know. what— the law. they often don't know. what undocumented migrants are attowet— what undocumented migrants are attowet to— what undocumented migrants are attowet to to— what undocumented migrants are allowed to do and— what undocumented migrants are allowed to do and not do, etcetera. — allowed to do and not do, etcetera. and _ allowed to do and not do, etcetera. and the oversight is very— etcetera. and the oversight is very poor. — etcetera. and the oversight is very poor. amt— etcetera. and the oversight is very poor. and given the pottttcat— very poor. and given the. political—around political sensitivities around all political sensitivities around att ot— political sensitivities around all of-that's_ political sensitivities around all of that's obviously all of this, that's obviously gutte— all of this, that's obviously quite—hot- all of this, that's obviouslyj quite—not sure all of this, that's obviously- quite_not sure what quite bad. they're not sure what powers— quite bad. they're not sure what powers-have.— quite bad. they're not sure what powers-have. can- quite bad. they're not sure what powers have. can they powers they have. can they pottce— powers they have. can they police movement police the movement of these thttwtuats— police the movement of these individuals the- police the movement of these individuals the same as a constable?— individuals the same as a constable? can- individuals the same as a constable? can the answer is no. so constable? can the answer is no. so .— constable? can the answer is no. so . thtmh— constable? can the answer is no. so . that its— constable? can the answer is no. so i think it's a— constable? can the answer is no. so i think it's a real— constable? can the answer is no. so i think it's a real mess. and something— so i think it's a real mess. and somethtmg you— so i think it's a real mess. and something you earlier, something you said earlier, the government— something you said earlier, the. government—complete government just made a complete tog-s— government just made a complete tog-s-thts. — government just made a complete tog-s-thts. vou- government just made a complete dog's this. you know, dog's dinner of this. you know, we-we—eooo- dog's dinner of this. you know, we've 6000 people we've got i think 6000 people came year. important came over last year. important to say— came over last year. important to say economic— came over last year. important to say economic migration is much— to say economic migration is much-that— to say economic migration is. much _that-migration much larger. that net migration ttgure— much larger. that net migration figure .600,000, _ much larger. that net migration figure 600,000, almost ten figure of 600,000, almost ten times— figure of 600,000, almost ten times-number— figure of 600,000, almost ten times number people times the number of people coming— times the number of people coming-the— times the number of people coming the channel. but coming over the channel. but it's coming over the channel. but its ctearty— coming over the channel. but its ctearty a— coming over the channel. but it's clearly a large number of peopte— it's clearly a large number of peopte amt— it's clearly a large number of people and there— it's clearly a large number of people and there still doesn't seem-iothet— people and there still doesn't seem _joined up-

people and there still doesn't seem joined up thinking. seem to be joined up thinking. thatty— seem to be joined up thinking. treaty-thing— seem to be joined up thinking. finally,-thing i've- seem to be joined up thinking. finally, thing i've said on finally, one thing i've said on thts— finally, one thing i've said on thts-hetore— finally, one thing i've said on this-before and- finally, one thing i've said on this-before and it- finally, one thing i've said on this before and it might this show before and it might sound— this show before and it might sound conspiratorial, often sound conspiratorial, is i often think— sound conspiratorial, is i often think conservatives don't think the conservatives don't want— think the conservatives don't wart—thts- think the conservatives don't want this situation want to address this situation inlprofessional_ want to address this situation inlprofessional ,_ want to address this situation in professional, coherent in a professional, coherent manner because in a professional, coherent- manner- because these manner precisely because these uhtocumehtet— manner precisely because these undocumented migration being higher— undocumented migration being htgher up— undocumented migration being htgher up the— undocumented migration being higher up the political agenda suits— higher up the political agenda sutts them— higher up the political agenda suits them and— higher up the political agenda suits them and not labour. they see suits them and not labour. they ht— suits them and not labour. they it as— suits them and not labour. they it as sate— suits them and not labour. they see it as safe political space. wow— see it as safe political space. wow that-s— see it as safe political space. now that's just— see it as safe political space. now that's just my thinking on it. now that's just my thinking on it hut— now that's just my thinking on it hut .— now that's just my thinking on it hut . cam-t— now that's just my thinking on it. but i can't think of any other— it. but i can't think of any other explanation as to why they are other explanation as to why they so hat— other explanation as to why they so hat at— other explanation as to why they are so bad at addressing this. hut— are so bad at addressing this. hut them— are so bad at addressing this. but then where— are so bad at addressing this. but then where do— are so bad at addressing this. but then where do we- are so bad at addressing this. but then where do we put- are so bad at addressing this. but then where do we put these people? well i think the issue is why don't we stop them coming in in the first place? secondly , they're in in the first place? secondly .they-re here— in in the first place? secondly , they're here now.— in in the first place? secondly , they're here now. if- " " �*" f“ secondly , they're here now. if they're here— , they're here now. if they're here ht— , they're here now. if they're here now, it seems to me that, you— here now, it seems to me that, you mow.— here now, it seems to me that, you mow. youre— here now, it seems to me that, you know, you're kind of looking at army— you know, you're kind of looking at army barracks— you know, you're kind of looking at army barracks .— you know, you're kind of looking at army barracks . you're looking at army barracks. you're looking at army barracks. you're looking at puhttc— at army barracks. you're looking at public sector— at army barracks. you're looking at public sector buildings as even especially— at public sector buildings as even especially now , even camps. even especially now, even camps. i even especially now, even camps. . tom-t— even especially now, even camps. . tom-t mime.— even especially now, even camps. i don't mind, but— even especially now, even camps. i don't mind, but just to say tm— i don't mind, but just to say t-m gomg— i don't mind, but just to say t-m gomg to— i don't mind, but just to say i'm going to come back to that camp.— i'm going to come back to that camp. say.— i'm going to come back to that camp. say. hut— i'm going to come back to that camp. say. put to— i'm going to come back to that camp, say, but to your point, you— camp, say, but to your point, you wee— camp, say, but to your point, you hust— camp, say, but to your point, you were just saying stick 200 peopte— you were just saying stick 200 peopte h— you were just saying stick 200 peopte ha a— you were just saying stick 200 people in a village or whatever, youre— people in a village or whatever, you-e gomg— people in a village or whatever, you're going change that you're going to change that wttage— you're going to change that village forever. some of these camps, about camps, i mean, talk about scampton places like that. scampton and places like that. the one in braintree the other

day, you know, talking day, you know, you're talking about those camps, about 1000 plus in those camps, in barracks and all the in those barracks and all the rest of which surely is rest of it, which surely is going have even greater going to have an even greater impact surrounding areas. impact on the surrounding areas. but are saying but anyway, what are you saying about i think that about camps? well, i think that it's about camps? well, i think that its entirety— about camps? well, i think that it's entirely legitimate,- it's entirely legitimate, espectatty— it's entirely legitimate, especially summer it's entirely legitimate,- especially-summer time, especially in the summer time, for especially in the summer time, tor there— especially in the summer time, tor there to— especially in the summer time, for there to be— especially in the summer time, for there to be tents and various facilities just to various other facilities just to demonstrate— various other facilities just to demonstrate world demonstrate to the world that, you— demonstrate to the world that, you we're providing you know, we're not providing tuxury—or- luxury accommodation or amythtmg— anything, nearly kind of amythtmg-as- anything, nearly kind of anything as sophistic anything nearly as sophistic as that.— anything nearly as sophistic as that. .— anything nearly as sophistic as that. . tom-t— anything nearly as sophistic as that. i don't know— anything nearly as sophistic as that. i don't know why it is. i . the— that. i don't know why it is. i mean , like the— that. i don't know why it is. i mean , like the calais jungle mean, like the calais jungle twte— mean, like the calais jungle type thtmg— mean, like the calais jungle type thing, whatever it's cattet. — type thing, whatever it's called. well,— type thing, whatever it's called. well, it will be. i mean, aaron— called. well, it will be. i mean, aaron said a very interesting— mean, aaron said a very interesting point about the incompetence _ interesting point about the incompetence of the conservative party,— incompetence of the conservative party. amt— incompetence of the conservative party. amt he— incompetence of the conservative party, and he thinks maybe they-re— party, and he thinks maybe they-re-that- party, and he thinks maybe they're-that on- party, and he thinks maybe they're that on purpose. they're doing that on purpose. put.— they're doing that on purpose. hut—t— they're doing that on purpose. hut—t-thatl but, you know, i think that atmost— but, you know, i think that almost everything that this government— almost everything that this government has touched , they've government has touched, they've messet— government has touched, they've messet up.— government has touched, they've messet up. .— government has touched, they've messed up. i think— government has touched, they've messed up. i think that there's peer— messed up. i think that there's heerlsort— messed up. i think that there's heerlsort ot— messed up. i think that there's beenlsort of so— messed up. i think that there's beenlsort of so let- messed up. i think that there's been sort of so let me explore been a sort of so let me explore thts— been a sort of so let me explore thts camp. — been a sort of so let me explore thts camp. so— been a sort of so let me explore this camp. so what— been a sort of so let me explore this camp. : this camp. so what would you say to that then? i think setting up these camps and tent cities or whatever you want to call them. well, frank said we need to well, frank said that we need to reet— well, frank said that we need to reetlattress— well, frank said that we need to need-address this— well, frank said that we need to need address this at the need to address this at the root.— need to address this at the root. .— need to address this at the root. i mean,— need to address this at the root. i mean, take, for hstarce.— root. i mean, take, for instance, we've got iranians comtrg— coming over in this country. my

rather— coming over in this country. my tather ts— coming over in this country. my father is iranian.— coming over in this country. my father is iranian. we have trartars— father is iranian. we have iranians coming to this country art— iranians coming to this country and-complaints- and we have complaints about refugees— and we have complaints about. retugees—trar. refugees coming over from iran. we refugees coming over from iran. we—trar. l we impose sanctions on iran. were— we impose sanctions on iran. we're-sanctions- we impose sanctions on iran. we're sanctions on we impose sanctions on iran.- we're-sanctions on iran we're imposing sanctions on iran prectsety— we're imposing sanctions on iran precisely-destroy— we're imposing sanctions on iran precisely destroy its economy precisely to destroy its economy art— precisely to destroy its economy art to— precisely to destroy its economy art to the— precisely to destroy its economy art to the up— precisely to destroy its economy and to drive up inflation and to reatty— and to drive up inflation and to reatty trtttct— and to drive up inflation and to really inflict a— and to drive up inflation and to really inflict a cost of living crtsts— really inflict a cost of living crtsts or— really inflict a cost of living crisis on _when - really inflict a cost of living crisis on when people crisis on them. when people heave— crisis on them. when people heave-courty— crisis on them. when people leave country then leave the country and then come here.— leave the country and then come here-say.— leave the country and then come here-say-hawe- leave the country and then come here, . say, - have they i here, we say, where have they home— here, we say, where have they come from? so— here, we say, where have they come from? so i— here, we say, where have they come from? so i think there's tots— come from? so i think there's tots ot— come from? so i think there's tots ot tow— come from? so i think there's lots of low hanging fruit here. tor-t— lots of low hanging fruit here. don't-weapons— lots of low hanging fruit here. don't-weapons to- lots of low hanging fruit here. don't weapons to saudis don't sell weapons to the saudis to-vemerts.— don't sell weapons to the saudis to-vemerts.-go- don't sell weapons to the saudis to .yemenis.-go and. to kill yemenis. don't go and mate— to kill yemenis. don't go and mate-occupy- to kill yemenis. don't go and invade occupy other invade and occupy other courrtest— invade and occupy other countries, sanction countries, don't sanction economies like iran. and then i thirt— economies like iran. and then i thtrh orce— economies like iran. and then i thtrh you— economies like iran. and then i think once you stop doing that reatty— think once you stop doing that catty-stutt— think once you stop doing that reatty-stutt .— think once you stop doing that really-stuff , we- think once you stop doing that really stuff , we can a really bad stuff, we can have a sersthte— really bad stuff, we can have a sensible conversation around , sensible conversation around, okay.— sensible conversation around, okay—hate- okay, well, let's have a sersthte— okay, well, let's have a sensible, sensible conversation caustrg—htm- sensible, sensible conversation caustrg—htm ot- sensible, sensible conversation. causing—him of this. causing the causing him of this. ttght. — causing the causing him of this. ttght. hut— causing the causing him of this. ttght. hut toot— causing the causing him of this. right. but look at— causing the causing him of this. right. but look at the- causing the causing him of this. ?g but look at the albanians right. but look at the albanians comtrg— right. but look at the albanians comtrg tr.— right. but look at the albanians comtrg tr. — right. but look at the albanians comtrg tr. .— right. but look at the albanians coming in. i mean,— 3g but look at the albanians coming in. " coming in. i mean, britain hasn't didn't bomb tehran . no, hasn't didn't bomb tehran. no, i'm not. i'm not. i'm not. c s c no, i'm not. i'm not. i'm not. no, i sat— i'm not. i'm not. i'm not. no, i sat har— i'm not. i'm not. i'm not. no, i said iran because— i'm not. i'm not. i'm not. no, i said iran because that's a very easy— said iran because that's a very easy exampte. — said iran because that's a very easy example. it— said iran because that's a very easy example. c easy example. it is. but when you at pattern of you look at the pattern of immigration, it's primarily dnven immigration, it's primarily driven by the desire for economic absolutely. driven by the desire for economic about absolutely. driven by the desire for economic about his absolutely. driven by the desire for economic about his frank solutely. driven by the desire for economic about his frank islutely. but what about his frank is suggesttrg— but what about his frank is suggesting. well because these peopte— suggesting. well because these peopte are— suggesting. well because these people are here,— suggesting. well because these people are here, you've to people are here, you've got to put— people are here, you've got to put them— people are here, you've got to put them somewhere. he's suggesttrg— put them somewhere. he's suggesting these camps. what do you-thaw — suggesting these camps. what do you-thaw .— suggesting these camps. what do

you _that? i disagree. i you think to that? i disagree. i thirt— you think to that? i disagree. i think if they're here, like you say and terms of processing, say and in terms of processing, i the way, processing i think, by the way, processing should quick. it's should be much more quick. it's very slow. but i think the best place for is generally place for them is generally larger because they can larger cities because they can integrate they'll integrate better. they'll find communities their communities similar to their own. would give own. i would personally give them of right to them something of a right to work think not work because i think we're not going even more. going to incentivise even more. well, no, because i think i think keeping i think keeping young a very young men idle is a very dangerous personally, dangerous thing. personally, that's i'm not that's just my view. i'm not attached massively. it's attached to that massively. it's just i but just something i think. but i think would be i be think i would be i would be disposed to having refugee communities in larger cities . communities in larger cities. like you say, it's less conspicuous like it is with a smaller village or a town. so i think that makes more sense than having them in braintree or wherever. yeah, having them in braintree or wherever . yeah, and it's wherever. yeah, and it's interesting _ wherever. yeah, and it's interesting what- yeah, and it's interesting what you say as well about— interesting what you say as well about aeas— interesting what you say as well about areas completely changing. i about areas completely changing. . trow— about areas completely changing. . hrow tr— about areas completely changing. throw tr tutt— about areas completely changing. i know in hull where i'm from art— i know in hull where i'm from art|go— i know in hull where i'm from andigo-various- i know in hull where i'm from and go various streets and i go down various streets the— and i go down various streets like springbank_ and i go down various streets like springbank this won't mean arythtrg— like springbank this won't mean arythtrg to— like springbank this won't mean arythtrg to you— like springbank this won't mean anything to you if— like springbank this won't mean anything to you if you're not trom— anything to you if you're not trom hutt. — anything to you if you're not from hull. so— anything to you if you're not from hull. so i'm just like, i'm just— from hull. so i'm just like, i'm rust—trhp- from hull. so i'm just like, i'm rust—trip towr| just going taking a trip down memory— just going taking a trip down memory-hut— just going taking a trip down memory but places like memory lane. but places like sprtrgharh— memory lane. but places like springbank, places like hazelwood,_ springbank, places like hazelwood, example, springbank, places like hazelwood,-example, is hazelwood, for example, areas is where—trow-

hazelwood, for example, areas is where—mow. t- hazelwood, for example, areas isi where—know, i was where i grew up. you know, i was atways— where i grew up. you know, i was atways or— where i grew up. you know, i was atways .— where i grew up. you know, i was always on. i lived— where i grew up. you know, i was always on. i lived right, you trow— always on. i lived right, you mow-ot— always on. i lived right, you know,-of near- always on. i lived right, you know, of near them know, kind of near them and arourt— know, kind of near them and arourt-art— know, kind of near them and around and when i go down around them. and when i go down those— around them. and when i go down those streets— around them. and when i go down those streets now— around them. and when i go down those streets now are they are comptetety— completely, completely different. _ com pletely, completely different. it's- completely, completely different. it's like a completely- different. it's like a completely sometimes it even teets— completely sometimes it even teets the— completely sometimes it even teets tthe a— completely sometimes it even feels like a different country, rot— feels like a different country, rot rust— feels like a different country, rot iust a— feels like a different country, not just a different city. i've got— not just a different city. i've got-he— not just a different city. i've got-be honest.- not just a different city. i've got be honest. what do you got to be honest. what do you mahe— got to be honest. what do you make-because- got to be honest. what do you make because you can't make to that? because you can't actuatty—ot- actually say those kind of thtrgs— actually say those kind of thtrgs-tays- actually say those kind of things days without being things these days without being crtttctset— things these days without being crtttctset or— things these days without being criticised or called racist or arythtrg— criticised or called racist or arythtrg the— criticised or called racist or anything like that. not anything like that. it's not racist.— racist. it's just having eyestght— racist. it's just having. eyesight—isn't racist. it's just having- eyesight_isn't it? eyesight that works, isn't it? hryway. —or i eyesight that works, isn't it?| hryway—or att eyesight that works, isn't it?- anyway,_on all of anyway, your thoughts on all of that— anyway, your thoughts on all of that? what— anyway, your thoughts on all of that? what do _ anyway, your thoughts on all of that? what do you— anyway, your thoughts on all of that? what do you think to trarh-s— that? what do you think to frank's suggestion about putting peopte— frank's suggestion about putting peopte-camps— frank's suggestion about putting peoptelcamps e— frank's suggestion about putting people camps ? some of you people in camps? some of you wit— people in camps? some of you with him— people in camps? some of you will think absolutely will think it's absolutely appatttrg— will think it's absolutely appalling what appalling and atrocious. so what there— appalling and atrocious. so what there-to— appalling and atrocious. so what there-to you— appalling and atrocious. so what then?-do you-do- appalling and atrocious. so what then? do you do you then? what do you do? do you carry— then? what do you do? do you carry-with— then? what do you do? do you carry-with your— then? what do you do? do you carry with your hotels? that carry on with your hotels? that is carry on with your hotels? that ts ahsotute— carry on with your hotels? that is absolute lunacy,— carry on with your hotels? that is absolute lunacy, you ask is absolute lunacy, if you ask me— is absolute lunacy, if you ask me vaiews@gbnews.com is absolute lunacy, if you ask- me-vaiews@gbnews.com is me anyway. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email— me anyway. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email tet-s— me anyway. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email. let's in— me anyway. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email. let's in a— me anyway. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email. let's in a couple of mtrutes— the email. let's in a couple of mtrutes tath— the email. let's in a couple of minutes talk about steelworkers. t hey— minutes talk about steelworkers. they hate— minutes talk about steelworkers. they hate peer— minutes talk about steelworkers. they have been protesting saying that the— they have been protesting saying that the steel— they have been protesting saying that the steel industry has been hurg— that the steel industry has been hurg-to— that the steel industry has been hurg-to try— that the steel industry has been hurg-to try art— that the steel industry has been hung to dry and that this hung out to dry and that this courtry— hung out to dry and that this country needs— hung out to dry and that this country needs an— hung out to dry and that this country needs an industrial strategy.— country needs an industrial strategy. po— country needs an industrial strategy. do you agree .

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry— hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with - hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you right through till dewberry with you right through tttt roe — dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight— dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me, trarh— till 7:00 tonight alongside me, trarh traty— till 7:00 tonight alongside me, frank frady, the— till 7:00 tonight alongside me, frank frady, the author and acatemtc— frank frady, the author and academic and— frank frady, the author and academic and the co—founder of wotaa— academic and the co—founder of wotaa theta.— academic and the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. we just novara media, aaron bastani. we iust hat— novara media, aaron bastani. we iust hat a— novara media, aaron bastani. we iust hat a gutte— novara media, aaron bastani. we just had a quite interesting conversation _ just had a quite interesting conversation before the break, rust— conversation before the break, iust tathtrg— conversation before the break, just talking about refugees and what— just talking about refugees and what-to.— just talking about refugees and what-do, where— just talking about refugees and what-do, where to- just talking about refugees and what do, where to put all what to do, where to put all these— what to do, where to put all these peopte— what to do, where to put all these people that are now here art— these people that are now here art tathtrg— these people that are now here and talking about— these people that are now here and talking about cohesion. we cathet— and talking about cohesion. we caret-the- and talking about cohesion. we carried-the break- and talking about cohesion. we carried the break and carried that on in the break and i carried that on in the break and t tourt— carried that on in the break and t tourt ht— carried that on in the break and i found it quite— carried that on in the break and i found it quite interesting. ere—that- i found it quite interesting. ere—that youi i found it quite interesting.- one _that you were one of the points that you were mahtrg—you- one of the points that you werei making,_you know, making, frank, about, you know, if making, frank, about, you know, tt you— making, frank, about, you know, tt you put— making, frank, about, you know, tt you put at— making, frank, about, you know, if you put all these people en masse in areas,— if you put all these people en masse in areas, going to masse in areas, you are going to charge— masse in areas, you are going to charge-.— masse in areas, you are going to charge-. you- masse in areas, you are going to charge-. you hrowl masse in areas, you are going to change , you know, ad change that area, you know, ad trttrttum— change that area, you know, ad trttrttum . — change that area, you know, ad infinitum . well,— change that area, you know, ad infinitum . botscc ”g infinitum. well, that's right. so basically, people who no longer see it as their town, but instead what you have is like in some cities or towns, you have groups of east european jews from poland. you have albanian people, afghanistani people , and people, afghanistani people, and different from different syrians . and the interesting thing is in many of places, what in many of these places, what you is the formation of you have is the formation of local people hanging out local gangs. people hanging out with people like themselves . and with people like themselves. and what losing, in is

what you're losing, in fact, is the solidarity, the cohesion that you to run a community that you need to run a community and that to me is the big problem with multiculture realism way that it's realism in the way that it's seen the moment, when seen at the moment, that when you have many cultures who you have too many cultures who are isolated, ghettoised from each other, it's at the loss of a common purpose. certainly it's the loss of knowing what it means to be english or british or anything like that. indeed. well, i guess that's- g c indeed. well, i guess that's food for thought.— well, i guess that's food for thought, isn't— well, i guess that's food for thought, isn't it? cc thought, isn't it? i'll let you ponder today. unite the union ponder it today. unite the union have a protest outside of have staged a protest outside of parliament. is all they say parliament. this is all they say about decline of the steel about the decline of the steel industry of industry and the lack of government intervention in the sector. it got me thinking , sector. it got me thinking, because think that so many because i do think that so many industries , zahran, have just industries, zahran, have just they've gone to the dogs. they're not there anymore. or and actually how it used to be is people, you know, your is that people, you know, your dad, your dad works, let's just say a mine or someone like say on a mine or someone like your did you the your granddad did you as the boy, you went and did boy, as the guy you went and did an apprenticeship that an apprenticeship there that whole system has just whole kind of system has just gone and it is absolutely devastated communities. in devastated communities. and in my led to what we now call

my mind led to what we now call like things like the north south divide. cetera. many now divide. et cetera. many are now saying need an industrial saying we need an industrial strategy. do we? is that strategy. i mean, do we? is that what all this? we absolutely what fix all this? we absolutely do. what fix all this? we absolutely to. art— what fix all this? we absolutely to. art t— what fix all this? we absolutely do. and i think- what fix all this? we absolutely do. and i think this- 57 we absolutely do. and i think this country reatty— do. and i think this country really didn't— do. and i think this country really didn't have an industrial strategy.— really didn't have an industrial strategy. - blair, - really didn't have an industrial strategy. blair, all strategy. thatcher, blair, all the— strategy. thatcher, blair, all the-through— strategy. thatcher, blair, all the .through to - strategy. thatcher, blair, all the through to today . and the way through to today. and hastcatty— the way through to today. and basically,.there_ the way through to today. and basically, there was an basically, if there was an industrial— basically, if there was an industrial strategy, it was capturet— industrial strategy, it was capturet tr— industrial strategy, it was captured in a— industrial strategy, it was captured in a sentence, captured in a single sentence, which— captured in a single sentence, which globalisation is good. which is globalisation is good. whatever—ts.- which is globalisation is good. whatever—is, it'si whatever globalisation is, it's goot— whatever globalisation is, it's goot .— whatever globalisation is, it's goot . art— whatever globalisation is, it's good . and that,— whatever globalisation is, it's good . and that, think was good. and that, i think was a very— good. and that, i think was a very responsible— good. and that, i think was a very responsible way of, of rurrtrg— very responsible way of, of rurrtrg the— very responsible way of, of running the country. very responsible way of, of running the country . fascinating running the country. fascinating statistic— running the country. fascinating stattsttc .— running the country. fascinating stattsttc . tr— running the country. fascinating statistic . in 1980,— running the country. fascinating statistic . in 1980, blackpool statistic. in 1980, blackpool hat— statistic. in 1980, blackpool hat moe— statistic. in 1980, blackpool had more visitors than the whole of had more visitors than the whole ot greece— had more visitors than the whole ot creece .— had more visitors than the whole ot creece . so— had more visitors than the whole of greece . so you— had more visitors than the whole of greece . so you think that's of greece. so you think that's that-s— of greece. so you think that's thats what— of greece. so you think that's that's what that's— of greece. so you think that's that's what that's 43 years ago that— that's what that's 43 years ago that reatty— that's what that's 43 years ago that reatty ts— that's what that's 43 years ago that really is a— that's what that's 43 years ago that really is a snapshot tetttrg— that really is a snapshot tetttrg you— that really is a snapshot telling you how much things have charget— telling you how much things have charget art— telling you how much things have changed and less— telling you how much things have changed and less than half a certury— changed and less than half a certury. art— changed and less than half a century. and that— changed and less than half a century. and that is that is true— century. and that is that is true nowhere— century. and that is that is true nowhere else than with trtustry— true nowhere else than with trtustry .— true nowhere else than with industry , with— true nowhere else than with industry , with car industry, with car manufacturing, with steel protucttor— manufacturing, with steel protucttor .— manufacturing, with steel production , with so much. we production, with so much. we tor-t— production, with so much. we tor-t mahe— production, with so much. we don't make things in this courtry— don't make things in this courtry .— don't make things in this courtry . tt-s— don't make things in this country . it's a- don't make things in this country . it's a cliche. we talk country. it's a cliche. we talk about— country. it's a cliche. we talk arout-the— country. it's a cliche. we talk about the political about it, but the political ctass— about it, but the political- class—seriously class haven't taken it seriously for class haven't taken it seriously tor a— class haven't taken it seriously tor a catty— class haven't taken it seriously for a really long— class haven't taken it seriously for a really long time. i think that-s— for a really long time. i think that's beginning— for a really long time. i think that's beginning to change hecause—tr- that's beginning to change- because_in ukraine, because of the war in ukraine, hecause— because of the war in ukraine, hecause ot— because of the war in ukraine, because of covid,_ because of the war in ukraine, because of covid, but they're

stit— because of covid, but they're stttt-actrg. — because of covid, but they're still acting. still not acting. steve, one of my viewers says it's not just the steelworkers. michelle. i work the automotive work in the automotive industry and pinch. and we are feeling the pinch. it's lot. i mean, lots of you it's a lot. i mean, lots of you saying exactly same thing. saying exactly the same thing. it's just this one it's not just this one particular frank, particular industry. frank, your thoughts? well, after covid, we all thoughts? well, after covid, we att-tt-s— thoughts? well, after covid, we att-tt-s ro— thoughts? well, after covid, we all-it's no longer- all know that it's no longer possthte— all know that it's no longer possthte to— all know that it's no longer possible to rely— all know that it's no longer possible to rely suppliers possible to rely on suppliers trom— possible to rely on suppliers trom chira— possible to rely on suppliers from china or— possible to rely on suppliers from china or elsewhere. we have to he— from china or elsewhere. we have to he much— from china or elsewhere. we have to be much more— from china or elsewhere. we have to be much more resilient as an ecoroy— to be much more resilient as an economy because— to be much more resilient as an economy because the world has become— economy because the world has become more regionalised. we're ttrttrg— become more regionalised. we're ttrttrg that.— become more regionalised. we're finding that, for— become more regionalised. we're finding that, for example, ursste— finding that, for example, unless we grow more food in this courtry.— unless we grow more food in this courtry. were— unless we grow more food in this country, we're going to have big prohtems— country, we're going to have big prohtems-tt— country, we're going to have big problems.-it seems- country, we're going to have big problems. it seems to me problems. and it seems to me that— problems. and it seems to me that ar— problems. and it seems to me that an industrial— problems. and it seems to me that an industrial strategy has got—the— that an industrial strategy hasj got—the-ot got to address the question of rattorat— got to address the question of national resilience. now, what do national resilience. now, what to we— national resilience. now, what to we to— national resilience. now, what to we to ht— national resilience. now, what do we do if we— national resilience. now, what do we do if we have another partemtce— do we do if we have another pandemic? what— do we do if we have another pandemic? what we do if a war pandemic? what do we do if a war hreahs— pandemic? what do we do if a war hreahs oute— pandemic? what do we do if a war breaks out?-do_ pandemic? what do we do if a war breaks out?-do we— pandemic? what do we do if a war breaks out? do we make sure breaks out? how do we make sure that— breaks out? how do we make sure that-protuce— breaks out? how do we make sure that-produce the- breaks out? how do we make sure that produce the kind of that we can produce the kind of stutt—get— that we can produce the kind of stutt—get or- that we can produce the kind of stuff—get on with. stuff we need to get on with thee— stuff we need to get on with thee-rot— stuff we need to get on with life? - not only - stuff we need to get on with life? not only that, but life? and not only that, but i thtrh— life? and not only that, but i thtrh ar— life? and not only that, but i think an industrial strategy has atso— think an industrial strategy has atso got— think an industrial strategy has atso got to— think an industrial strategy has also got to take— think an industrial strategy has also got to take on board. how do also got to take on board. how to we— also got to take on board. how to we mahe— also got to take on board. how do we make sure— also got to take on board. how do we make sure that people who are do we make sure that people who totrg— do we make sure that people who totrg-tr— do we make sure that people who are doing-in new— are doing stuff in new techrotogy— are doing stuff in new- technology-going to technology areas are going to stay— technology areas are going to stay the— technology areas are going to stay he tr— technology areas are going to stay in? in britain rather than go to.— stay in? in britain rather than go to. you— stay in? in britain rather than go to. you hrow— stay in? in britain rather than go to, you know, to california or elsewhere?— go to, you know, to california or elsewhere? we— go to, you know, to california or elsewhere? we are very

trrotattte — or elsewhere? we are very innovative at— or elsewhere? we are very innovative at the moment and we do innovative at the moment and we to a— innovative at the moment and we to a tot— innovative at the moment and we to a tot ot— innovative at the moment and we to a tot ot very— innovative at the moment and we do a lot of very positive things in do a lot of very positive things hr the— do a lot of very positive things hr the high— do a lot of very positive things in the high tech- do a lot of very positive things in the high tech sector. but the mtrute— in the high tech sector. but the mtrute that— in the high tech sector. but the minute that a— in the high tech sector. but the minute that a company gets startet— minute that a company gets startet. ht— minute that a company gets started, it gets— minute that a company gets started, it gets bought up by an amertcar— started, it gets bought up by an american company. and all that hrowtetge— american company. and all that knowledge country . g knowledge leaves the country. g so knowledge leaves the country. g so—arother- knowledge leaves the country. g so—arother we- knowledge leaves the country. g so another we have so somehow or another we have got-hrttatr— so somehow or another we have got-britain much- so somehow or another we have got britain much more got to make britain much more attractive— got to make britain much more attractive for— got to make britain much more attractive for industrial investment _ attractive for industrial investment . obs attractive for industrial investment . c3"»s investment. one of the challenges is i think we've got addicted as a society to a load of like cheap tat , whether it's of like cheap tat, whether it's cheap, fast , fast fashion, cheap, fast, fast fashion, whether it's just cheap plaster . nick i want to say words. i can't use a tee time, but just to, you know what i mean. and one of the challenges is if you in in source, if you house your manufacturing so you i don't know you say right british steel for british british construction and all the rest of it if that is the most pricey end of the commodity. so your british steel, for example , is more steel, for example, is more pncey steel, for example, is more pricey than, say, your chinese steel what then happen steel. so what will then happen is end products will then is the end products will then be inflated price . so then you inflated in price. so then you have a scenario where, yeah, you can box that we've can tick this box that we've kept in employment, but

can tick this box that we've kep production employment, but can tick this box that we've kep production line»loyment, but can tick this box that we've kep production line orfment, but can tick this box that we've kep production line or the it, but can tick this box that we've kep production line or the items the production line or the items that have been produced so that have been produced are so high costs people can't high in costs that people can't afford then ? afford them. so what then? yeah, it's a really important part.— yeah, it's a really important potrt. t— yeah, it's a really important point. i think— yeah, it's a really important point. i think what frank was saythg— point. i think what frank was saytrg wtth— point. i think what frank was saying with regards to resilience— saying with regards to resilience is- saying with regards to resilience is of the resilience is part of the answer. _not. resilience is part of the. answer. _not just answer. so we're not just toohtrg— answer. so we're not just looking industrial questions looking at industrial questions here.— looking at industrial questionsi here—security here, but also national security guesthors—youi questions. so for instance, you car-t— questions. so for instance, you can't run a war economy without a-steet— can't run a war economy without a-steel industry.- can't run a war economy without a steel industry. you a domestic steel industry. you car-t — a domestic steel industry. you car-t .that-s— a domestic steel industry. you can't. that's major can't. and that's a major prohtem — can't. and that's a major prohtem tor— can't. and that's a major problem for the uk right now. art— problem for the uk right now. art t— problem for the uk right now. art t thtrh— problem for the uk right now. and i think on— problem for the uk right now. and i think on things like food protucttom— and i think on things like food production, microprocessors , us production, microprocessors, us steet— production, microprocessors, us steet erergy— production, microprocessors, us steet erergy. t— production, microprocessors, us steel energy, i think you prohahty— steel energy, i think you prohahty to— steel energy, i think you probably do need a lot more tomesttc— probably do need a lot more domestic production than we presertty— domestic production than we presently have— domestic production than we presently have .— domestic production than we presently have . so yes, for some presently have. so yes, for some thtrgs— presently have. so yes, for some thtrgs prohahty— presently have. so yes, for some things probably higher prices, atthough— things probably higher prices, atthough t— things probably higher prices, although i should say i think with— although i should say i think wtth erergy— although i should say i think with energy we'd probably see tower—hat- with energy we'd probably see lower—had more| lower prices. if you had more hrtttsh— lower prices. if you had more british-energy- lower prices. if you had more british-energy for. british nuclear energy for hsarcet — british nuclear energy for- instance,_cheaper instance, it's certainly cheaper thar— instance, it's certainly cheaper thar tmporttrg— instance, it's certainly cheaper than importing gas right now . so than importing gas right now. so yeah,— than importing gas right now. so yeah t— than importing gas right now. so yeah t thtrh— than importing gas right now. so yeah, i think national security is yeah, i think national security ts part— yeah, i think national security ts part ot— yeah, i think national security ts part ot the— yeah, i think national security is part of the answer there. what— is part of the answer there. what to— is part of the answer there. what to you— is part of the answer there. what do you think? j»s» tsgtsns what do you think? do you agree wtth— what do you think? do you agree with that or not? and you mentioned blackpool. i noticed as well. when you talk about in about the amount of visitors to blackpool, know, i worry blackpool, you know, i worry about seaside towns about these seaside towns because think it's any

because i don't think it's any coincidence because i don't think it's any coinciderthese so—called asylum many of these so—called asylum seekers are being dumped in the areas your blackpool , like areas like your blackpool, like your skegness or skeg vegas as it used to be known. and i worry for those economies because they need that tourism to thrive. and if what you're doing is you're taking all the hotels and you're sticking all of these people in and one even knows who they and no one even knows who they are, quite frankly, that are, quite frankly, what is that going to the local going to do to the local economy? do you live in one of those areas? how is life there for now? know your for you now? let me know your thoughts. actually thoughts. and actually as well, i'm test guys one i'm going to test you guys one day, because what is your solution to this migrant situation? we all know that housing young people in hotels is the good of the is not for the good of the future, but what the answer future, but what is the answer then? thoughts on then? your thoughts on that? michelle in touch michelle has been in touch saying michelle says saying if michelle dewberry says and rest of it one more and all the rest of it one more time, i'm going to spontaneously combust. time, i'm going to spontaneously combusti just did it again. because i just did it again. lots of divided opinion, by the way, what to russian way, on what to do with russian assets. that is a conversation that will continue another day. but aaron. frank thank but for now, aaron. frank thank you company. thank you for your company. thank you. at watching and at home for watching and listening. we appreciate it. have fantastic do not

have a fantastic night. do not go anywhere. nigel farage the tric winner is up next. hello there. i'm jonathan- c”»t. ”ts” c. hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of there. i'm jonathan vautrey here ot your— there. i'm jonathan vautrey here ot your tatest— there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your latest gb— there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your latest gb news weather torecast— of your latest gb news weather forecast provided _ of your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met emce— forecast provided by the met office. whilst- forecast provided by the met office. whilst it- forecast provided by the met office. whilst it was northern art— office. whilst it was northern art wesemt— office. whilst it was northern and western-that- office. whilst it was northern and western that saw the and western areas that saw the huh— and western areas that saw the huthlthe— and western areas that saw the bulk the throughout bulk of the rain throughout wetrestay— bulk of the rain throughout wednesday going be wednesday, it's going to be southerr— wednesday, it's going to be southern eastern wednesday, it's going to be- southern-eastern-that southern and eastern areas that start— southern and eastern areas that start-ht— southern and eastern areas that start-it.thursday.. start off with it on thursday. so start off with it on thursday. so-thts— start off with it on thursday. so _this cold- start off with it on thursday. so this cold front that so due to this cold front that is so due to this cold front that ts-strhtrg— so due to this cold front that is-sinking its- so due to this cold front that is-sinking its way- so due to this cold front that is sinking its way south is slowly sinking its way south eastwarts— is slowly sinking its way south eastwards across— is slowly sinking its way south eastwards across the country turtrg— eastwards across the country during overnight eastwards across the country. during-overnight-so during the overnight period. so parts— during the overnight period. so parts ot— during the overnight period. so parts of england— during the overnight period. so parts of england and wales starttrg— parts of england and wales starttrglsee— parts of england and wales starting see outbreaks of starting to see outbreaks of -ot— starting to see outbreaks of rain. _of-couldl starting to see outbreaks of. rain.-of-could be rain. some of those could be heavy— rain. some of those could be heavy-parts- rain. some of those could be heavy-parts ot- heavy across parts of lincolnshire - heavy across parts of lincolnshire down into east argtta— lincolnshire down into east argtta-heat- lincolnshire down into east anglia. head into lincolnshire down into east anglia.-head into late anglia. as we head into the late etertrg— anglia. as we head into the late etertrg-earty- anglia. as we head into the late evening early hours of evening and the early hours of thurstay— evening and the early hours of thurstay-.— evening and the early hours of thursday-. further- evening and the early hours of. thursday-. further-the thursday morning. further to the west—starttrg- thursday morning. further to the west—starting to- thursday morning. further to the west starting to see west and north, starting to see some clearer intervals some drier and clearer intervals tetetoptrg— some drier and clearer intervals tetetoptrg a— some drier and clearer intervals developing a scattering of showers— developing a scattering of showers across— developing a scattering of showers across western areas of scottart.— showers across western areas of scottart.-staytrg- showers across western areas of scotland, staying dry. scotland, but many staying dry. it's scotland, but many staying dry. tt-s here— scotland, but many staying dry. tt-s here tr— scotland, but many staying dry. it's here in the— scotland, but many staying dry. it's here in the west where wett— it's here in the west where we-tt — it's here in the west where we'll see the— it's here in the west where we'll see the fresher temperatures overnight around tent— temperatures overnight around ter. tz c. — temperatures overnight around term-tr— temperatures overnight around ten, 12 c. .in the- temperatures overnight around ten, 12 c. in the south—east ten, 12 c. but in the south—east hotttrg— ten, 12 c. but in the south—east hotttrg up— ten, 12 c. but in the south—east holding up around— ten, 12 c. but in the south—east holding up around 17,18 degrees holding up around 17, 18 degrees in holding up around 17, 18 degrees tr a— holding up around 17, 18 degrees tr a rew— holding up around 17, 18 degrees tr a tew spots— holding up around 17, 18 degrees tr a tew spots .— holding up around 17, 18 degrees in a few spots . so— holding up around 17, 18 degrees in a few spots . so quite humid in a few spots. so quite humid art— in a few spots. so quite humid art muggy— in a few spots. so quite humid and muggy nigbt— in a few spots. so quite humid and muggy night come here. and muggy night to come here. that— and muggy night to come here. that rah— and muggy night to come here. that rain slowly— and muggy night to come here. that rain slowly clearing its way— that rain slowly clearing its way ott— that rain slowly clearing its way off could— that rain slowly clearing its way off could take into the atterroor — way off could take into the afternoon before it properly cetas— afternoon before it properly cetas ott— afternoon before it properly clears off parts— afternoon before it properly clears off parts of southeast.

hert— clears off parts of southeast. hert art— clears off parts of southeast. kent and essex.— clears off parts of southeast. kent and essex. but elsewhere, it kent and essex. but elsewhere, tt-turr— kent and essex. but elsewhere, tt-turr hto— kent and essex. but elsewhere, it-turn into a— kent and essex. but elsewhere, it-turn into a day- kent and essex. but elsewhere, it turn into a day of it will turn into a day of surshtre— it will turn into a day of sunshine and- it will turn into a day of- sunshine and-parts of sunshine and showers. parts of eastem— sunshine and showers. parts of eastemo-tr- sunshine and showers. parts of eastern-down into. eastern scotland down into eastem— eastern scotland down into eastern _could- eastern scotland down into- eastern _could-some eastern england could see some heavy— eastern england could see some heavy showers— eastern england could see some heavy showers in— eastern england could see some heavy showers in there with some thunderstorms— heavy showers in there with some thunderstorms in— heavy showers in there with some thunderstorms in the mixture. hut— thunderstorms in the mixture. hut where— thunderstorms in the mixture. hut where you— thunderstorms in the mixture. but where you the sunshine but where you see the sunshine hetrg— but where you see the sunshine hetrg-pteasart.- but where you see the sunshine being pleasant, highs being relatively pleasant, highs arourt— being relatively pleasant, highs arourt zo— being relatively pleasant, highs arourt 20 to— being relatively pleasant, highs around 20 to 22 c— being relatively pleasant, highs around 20 to 22 c as that clear spetts— around 20 to 22 c as that clear spetts mear— around 20 to 22 c as that clear spells mean that— around 20 to 22 c as that clear spells mean that we'll have some tate— spells mean that we'll have some tate etertrg— spells mean that we'll have some late evening sunshine as well hto— late evening sunshine as well trto thurstay— late evening sunshine as well into thursday evening. and most ptaces— into thursday evening. and most ptaces-stay— into thursday evening. and most ptaces-stay try. - into thursday evening. and most places stay dry. still places should stay dry. still some-filtering- places should stay dry. still some filtering their way some showers filtering their way the — some showers filtering their way across the highlands into the rather— across the highlands into the. wortherr—he northern isles. again, could be gutte— northern isles. again, could be gutte-ptaces- northern isles. again, could be quite-places and- northern isles. again, could be quite places and then quite heavy in places and then hto— quite heavy in places and then trto-earty— quite heavy in places and then into-early hours— quite heavy in places and then into-early hours of- quite heavy in places and then into early hours of friday, into the early hours of friday, we-watchtrg— into the early hours of friday, we-watching as- into the early hours of friday, we watching as this band we start watching as this band of we start watching as this band ot—to— we start watching as this band ot—to stowty- we start watching as this bandj of_to slowly push of rain is going to slowly push its of rain is going to slowly push tts-tr— of rain is going to slowly push tts-tr trom — of rain is going to slowly push its-in from .west.- of rain is going to slowly push its in from west. skies its way in from the west. skies turtrg— its way in from the west. skies tumtrg grey— its way in from the west. skies turning grey across northern tretart— turning grey across northern ireland, wales,— turning grey across northern ireland, wales, southwest trgtart— ireland, wales, southwest- trgtart—heaty england and then some heavy outhreahs— england and then some heavy outbreaks-rain— england and then some heavy outbreaks rain possible outbreaks of rain possible across western _ outbreaks of rain possible across western scotland. as we heat — across western scotland. as we heat _tay- across western scotland. as we heat—tay asl across western scotland. as we. head _day as well. head throughout the day as well. eereratty— head throughout the day as well. eereratty-art— head throughout the day as well. generally and southern generally eastern and southern easterr—try- generally eastern and southern easterr—try .- generally eastern and southern eastern—dry , but| eastern areas staying dry, but retathety— eastern areas staying dry, but relatively-low- eastern areas staying dry, but relatively low pressure relatively cloudy. low pressure is relatively cloudy. low pressure ts staytrg— relatively cloudy. low pressure ts staytrg wtth— relatively cloudy. low pressure is staying with us— relatively cloudy. low pressure is staying with us into the weehert— is staying with us into the weekend .well. - is staying with us into the weekend well. and those weekend as well. and those sorts— weekend as well. and those tsohars are— weekend as well. and those isobars are squeezing together as-the— isobars are squeezing together as-the weekend- isobars are squeezing together as the weekend could as well. so the weekend could turr— as well. so the weekend could tum-gutte— as well. so the weekend could turr-gutte a— as well. so the weekend could turn quite a breezy one. turn into quite a breezy one. hrtsh— turn into quite a breezy one. harsh-tr— turn into quite a breezy one. brisk-in places,- turn into quite a breezy one. brisk in places, further brisk wind in places, further showers— brisk wind in places, further showers , longer— brisk wind in places, further showers , longer spells of rain showers, longer spells of rain

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seem there are many that work in the industry that the television industry that don't like the way that you two voted no. they seem to object to it. i think some are even suggesting maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. sound