well, the aftershocks from yesterday's tric awards have still been rumbling on today and quite extraordinary . it would quite extraordinary. it would seem there are many that work in the industry that the television industry that don't like the way that you two voted no. they seem to object to it. i think some are even suggesting maybe you didn't know what you were voting for. sound familiar? we'll also tonight be looking at the woke culture that exists within rnli as it exists within the rnli as it comes up for its 200th birthday. a story tonight about hastings that i think is genuinely shocking. and 15 years on, from the murder of ben kinsella, we'll talk about knife crime and ask the question , why is it ask the question, why is it getting worse? year after year? all of that in a moment. but first, let's get the news with

polly middlehurst . first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you . good— polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you . good evening.— polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you . good evening. and- 3: nigel, thank you . good evening. and we start you. good evening. and we start tonight— you. good evening. and we start tonight with— you. good evening. and we start tonight with the _ you. good evening. and we start tonight with the news that the wreckage — tonight with the news that the wreckage from _ tonight with the news that the wreckage from the ill fated man— wreckage from the ill fated titan submersible has been recovered from _ titan submersible has been recovered from the seabed in the north— recovered from the seabed in the north atlantic. _ recovered from the seabed in the north atlantic. it's— recovered from the seabed in the north atlantic. it's been brought— north atlantic. it's been brought ashore for the first time— brought ashore for the first tree the— brought ashore for the first time this afternoon . let's show time this afternoon. let's show you— time this afternoon. let's show you t— time this afternoon. let's show you tt youe— time this afternoon. let's show you if you're watching on television— you if you're watching on television ,_ you if you're watching on television , new pictures we got television, new pictures we got about— television, new pictures we got about on— television, new pictures we got about an hour— television, new pictures we got about an hour ago— television, new pictures we got about an hour ago showing metal tetug— about an hour ago showing metal being-up— about an hour ago showing metal tetue-uo trom— about an hour ago showing metal tetue-uo ttom o- about an hour ago showing metal being up from a ship and being hoisted up from a ship and uutootet.— being hoisted up from a ship and unloaded. that's— being hoisted up from a ship and unloaded. that's at— being hoisted up from a ship and unloaded. that's at the canadian cooetguott— unloaded. that's at the canadian coastguard pier— unloaded. that's at the canadian coastguard pier in— unloaded. that's at the canadian coastguard pier in newfoundland. the coastguard pier in newfoundland. the fleet— coastguard pier in newfoundland. the first pictures— coastguard pier in newfoundland. the first pictures of the sub otter— the first pictures of the sub otter tte — the first pictures of the sub after the news,— the first pictures of the sub after the news, of course, that it after the news, of course, that t exploded— after the news, of course, that t exploded tu— after the news, of course, that it exploded in an— after the news, of course, that it exploded in an hour and 45 mtuutee— it exploded in an hour and 45 minutes into— it exploded in an hour and 45 minutes into its— it exploded in an hour and 45 minutes into its descent . the minutes into its descent. the peoote— minutes into its descent. the peopte ou— minutes into its descent. the people on board— minutes into its descent. the people on board were on their way— people on board were on their way to— people on board were on their way to vet— people on board were on their way to visit the— people on board were on their way to visit the wreckage of the tttoute— way to visit the wreckage of the tttoute ttot— way to visit the wreckage of the titanic that happened on the june— titanic that happened on the june tott— titanic that happened on the june tote ot— titanic that happened on the june 18th of june. all five oeopte— june 18th of june. all five peopte ou— june 18th of june. all five people on board, we know, pettetet— people on board, we know, perished after— people on board, we know, perished after the submersible euttetet— perished after the submersible euttetet o— perished after the submersible suffered a catastrophic tmptoetou— suffered a catastrophic implosion underwater. those otetutee— implosion underwater. those ptetuteetuet— implosion underwater. those pictures just through in the

teet— pictures just through in the test tout— pictures just through in the test tout .— pictures just through in the last hour. now,— pictures just through in the last hour . now, also pictures just through in the last hour. now, also in pictures just through in the last hour . now, also in the news last hour. now, also in the news today— last hour. now, also in the news totoy uoutet— last hour. now, also in the news today, daniel korski has pulled out ot— today, daniel korski has pulled out ot the— today, daniel korski has pulled out of the race— today, daniel korski has pulled out of the race for— today, daniel korski has pulled out of the race for the london mayor— out of the race for the london uoyot otter— out of the race for the london uoyot otter o— out of the race for the london mayor after a tv— out of the race for the london mayor after a tv producer oeeueet— mayor after a tv producer accused him _ mayor after a tv producer accused him of- mayor after a tv producer accused him of groping her a decade— accused him of groping her a teeote ego— accused him of groping her a teeote ego .— accused him of groping her a decade ago . now, in a statement decade ago. now, in a statement tute— decade ago. now, in a statement this afternoon,— decade ago. now, in a statement this afternoon, he— decade ago. now, in a statement this afternoon, he said he's utttttoutug— this afternoon, he said he's withdrawing with a heavy heart, but withdrawing with a heavy heart, tut tutt— withdrawing with a heavy heart, tut ttot te— withdrawing with a heavy heart, but that he also— withdrawing with a heavy heart, but that he also category utuettey— but that he also category hinckley denies the allegations . dotty— hinckley denies the allegations . daisy goodwin— hinckley denies the allegations . daisy goodwin made the formal oomptotut— . daisy goodwin made the formal eomototut to— . daisy goodwin made the formal complaint to number 10, commented— complaint to number 10, commented it- complaint to number 10, commented it was very serious out— commented it was very serious out they— commented it was very serious out they urged— commented it was very serious and they urged any other complainants— and they urged any other complainants to come forward . mr complainants to come forward. mr totett— complainants to come forward. mr totett toye— complainants to come forward. mr totett says the— complainants to come forward. mr korski says the pressure on his tomtty— korski says the pressure on his tomtty out— korski says the pressure on his family and the— korski says the pressure on his family and the inability to get a family and the inability to get u teottue— family and the inability to get u teottug tot— family and the inability to get a hearing for his— family and the inability to get a hearing for his message now meteo— a hearing for his message now motes tt— a hearing for his message now makes it impossible for his campaign— makes it impossible for his eompotgu to— makes it impossible for his campaign to continue. mr korski eut— campaign to continue. mr korski eott no— campaign to continue. mr korski said no investigation has ever token— said no investigation has ever taken otoee— said no investigation has ever taken place and— said no investigation has ever taken place and said i have been eteot— taken place and said i have been eteot ._ taken place and said i have been eteot . uoutt— taken place and said i have been clear i would welcome and constructively— clear i would welcome and constructively participate in any— constructively participate in any investigation . thames water any investigation. thames water toye— any investigation. thames water toys to— any investigation. thames water eye to working— any investigation. thames water says it's working constructively tutt— says it's working constructively uttt tte— says it's working constructively with its shareholders to secure funding— with its shareholders to secure tuuttug outt— with its shareholders to secure funding amid mounting concern tte— funding amid mounting concern over its financial— funding amid mounting concern over its financial stability. conttugeuey— over its financial stability. contingency plans are being troun— contingency plans are being trout up— contingency plans are being trowr up ty— contingency plans are being drawn up by the government , drawn up by the government, tuetuttug— drawn up by the government, tuetuttue o— drawn up by the government, including a possible emergency

nationalisation— including a possible emergency nationalisation of— including a possible emergency nationalisation of the company . nationalisation of the company. it's nationalisation of the company. to teoret— nationalisation of the company. it's feared thames water is toreet— it's feared thames water is toreet tre— it's feared thames water is forced £18 billion in debt . the forced £18 billion in debt. the environment— forced £18 billion in debt. the environment minister, rebecca row— environment minister, rebecca pow ,_ environment minister, rebecca row , eut— environment minister, rebecca pow , said the— environment minister, rebecca pow , said the 15— environment minister, rebecca pow , said the 15 million pow, said the 15 million customers should rest, assure ttetr— customers should rest, assure ttetr utter— customers should rest, assure their water supplies will be protected— their water supplies will be protected .— their water supplies will be protected . and— their water supplies will be protected . and ofcom has protected. and ofcom has touched— protected. and ofcom has launched an— protected. and ofcom has launched an investigation into bt launched an investigation into or otter— launched an investigation into bt after disruption to the 999 emergency— bt after disruption to the 999 emergency call— bt after disruption to the 999 emergency call service, which happened— emergency call service, which topperet ot— emergency call service, which happened at the— emergency call service, which happened at the weekend. the communications— happened at the weekend. the communications watchdog says it's communications watchdog says tt-e going— communications watchdog says to gotug to— communications watchdog says it's going to look— communications watchdog says it's going to look into the moment— it's going to look into the incident to— it's going to look into the incident to find out whether or not the — incident to find out whether or not the telecoms— incident to find out whether or not the telecoms giant failed to eomoty— not the telecoms giant failed to eompty utte— not the telecoms giant failed to eompty uttt rte— not the telecoms giant failed to comply with its regulatory tuttee. — comply with its regulatory tuttee. er,— comply with its regulatory duties. bt, which manages the 999— duties. bt, which manages the 999 system,— duties. bt, which manages the 999 system, apollo urges etueerety— 999 system, apollo urges sincerely for— 999 system, apollo urges sincerely for the uk wide tterupttou— sincerely for the uk wide tterupttou .— sincerely for the uk wide disruption . hundreds of disruption. hundreds of steelworkers- disruption. hundreds of steelworkers have been proteettrrg— steelworkers have been protesting outside parliament totoy— protesting outside parliament totoy .— protesting outside parliament totoy . rte— protesting outside parliament today . the gmb_ protesting outside parliament today . the gmb union claiming today. the gmb union claiming utmost— today. the gmb union claiming otmoet soro— today. the gmb union claiming almost 80% of— today. the gmb union claiming almost 80% of jobs in the steel eto— almost 80% of jobs in the steel eto trove— almost 80% of jobs in the steel sector have gone— almost 80% of jobs in the steel sector have gone in the last 40 years— sector have gone in the last 40 ye workers— sector have gone in the last 40 years. workers are— sector have gone in the last 40 years. workers are now calling for years. workers are now calling tor o— years. workers are now calling tor o proper— years. workers are now calling for a proper industrial strategy out— for a proper industrial strategy out-tom — for a proper industrial strategy and-from energy- for a proper industrial strategy and from energy costs. and relief from energy costs. rte— and relief from energy costs. the government— and relief from energy costs. the government says it is working— the government says it is working closely with the sector

to secure a sustainable , to secure a sustainable, decarbonised- to secure a sustainable, decarbonised and competitive tuture— decarbonised and competitive tuture tor— decarbonised and competitive future for steel— decarbonised and competitive future for steel ._ decarbonised and competitive future for steel . and three future for steel. and three peopte— future for steel. and three peopte — future for steel. and three people were arrested today after just— people were arrested today after just stop— people were arrested today after just stop ott— people were arrested today after just stop oil disrupted the second— just stop oil disrupted the second ashes— just stop oil disrupted the second ashes test at lord's. t hey— second ashes test at lord's. ttey rou— second ashes test at lord's. they ran onto— second ashes test at lord's. they ran onto the pitch. england utetetteeoer— they ran onto the pitch. england wicketkeeper jonny bairstow, trough,— wicketkeeper jonny bairstow, ttougtetoot— wicketkeeper jonny bairstow, though, took matters into his toute— though, took matters into his route ty— though, took matters into his own hands by picking up one of the protestors_ own hands by picking up one of the protestors that— own hands by picking up one of the protestors that had been otterrottue— the protestors that had been otterrpttug to— the protestors that had been attempting to throw orange paint powder— attempting to throw orange paint oouter onto— attempting to throw orange paint powder onto the _ attempting to throw orange paint powder onto the pitch. he eorrtet— powder onto the pitch. he carried the _ powder onto the pitch. he carried the protester towards the grandstand— carried the protester towards the grandstand and to loud opptouee— the grandstand and to loud applause. another protester was emoet— applause. another protester was emoet ty— applause. another protester was emoet by the— applause. another protester was removed by the security team. eroumtetott— removed by the security team. groundstaff cleared away the oatm— groundstaff cleared away the term. rust— groundstaff cleared away the paint. just stop,— groundstaff cleared away the paint. just stop, oil, said they wanted— paint. just stop, oil, said they womtet to— paint. just stop, oil, said they wanted to disrupt the match to demand— wanted to disrupt the match to demand action— wanted to disrupt the match to demand action from the government— demand action from the government on climate change. mot-e— government on climate change. mute the— government on climate change. that's the news— government on climate change. that's the news you're up to tote— that's the news you're up to tote om— that's the news you're up to tote om ty— that's the news you're up to date on tv, online, dab+ radio mt— date on tv, online, dab+ radio mt tree— date on tv, online, dab+ radio out the tune— date on tv, online, dab+ radio and the tune in— date on tv, online, dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb terre— and the tune in app. this is gb news, britain's— and the tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news .

news, britain's news. channel iweur— news, britain's news. channel | mett. geot— news, britain's news. channel i well, good evening. - news, britain's news. channel - well, good evening. so. well, good evening. so the trigger was yesterday. people were stunned and surprised. they really course , the gb really were. of course, the gb news an award for its news won an award for its breakfast show, but they were absolutely mortified. many of them , that i won the tv news them, that i won the tv news presenter award. they couldn't simply understand it just as the same people couldn't understand the brexit vote and so much else because they all live inside their own little bubble . but their own little bubble. but yesterday , after the result, the yesterday, after the result, the organisers trick put out this tweet and it was perfectly clear what it said . it says what it said. it says congratulations to nigel farage news presenter category sponsored by screen hits . well, sponsored by screen hits. well, that was fine. no problem. at all. middle of this morning, trick had deleted the tweet. i simply couldn't believe it. i commented obviously on it and hundreds of people took to social media to say , hey, you social media to say, hey, you know, do you not respect our

votes? over a million people took part in this process. this was the first year that triggered open the whole thing up to be just the public voting without the committee themselves having a big influence over it . having a big influence over it. well, after my protest and those of others, the tweet was put back up . interestingly, though, back up. interestingly, though, it was different to the first time round. now they very pleased. they put up a nice picture of me standing there with the with the trophy and a pint. but you'll notice the difference between the first tweet and the second tweet is that at screen hits the sponsor of this particular category wasn't involved in the second tweet. so i think maybe we can work out quite clearly what went on here. who asked green hits? well, they're a streaming service, tv streaming service run by rose atkins. hulse who is director ceo and founder of screen hits tv. she's also a committee member of tric , and

committee member of tric, and she's spoken in the past about, you know, how important it is. there's a lot of support from the public out there and from within the industry for all of this . but it within the industry for all of this. but it also turns out that she's something of a political activist . she seems to be very activist. she seems to be very enthusiastic about much of what the black lives matter movement stood for and campaigned for in whatever methods they chose. and i can't for certain say that the reason the tweet got put down was that screen hits didn't like the way that you had voted and didn't like the thought that the pubuc didn't like the thought that the public may have different views on the world to her. but it does doesit on the world to her. but it does does it not seem probable now ? i does it not seem probable now? i said three weeks ago on this show that i thought water was going to become a very, very big political issue . little did political issue. little did i know it would happen this quickly. and there's talk today of the government renationalising thames water.

but do we trust the government with our water? give me your thoughts on this farage at gb news .com . so we privatise the news .com. so we privatise the water industries . in the late water industries. in the late 19805, it water industries. in the late 1980s, it was pretty much the last round of those 1980s private izations and i remember myself, despite being a big supporter of privatisation , supporter of privatisation, being concerned that effective only what we'd finish up with were a series of private monopolies. jonathan portas, who is professor of economics and pubuc is professor of economics and public policy at king's college london, was somebody in 1989 who worked on the privatisation of the water industry as a treasury official. so it is all perfectly clear, jonathan, that that people who bought shares in those companies made a big quick financial hit that our bills have gone through the roof , that have gone through the roof, that leaks have got worse , that storm leaks have got worse, that storm overflows leading to sewage in

appalling quantities , has been appalling quantities, has been going out onto our beaches . i going out onto our beaches. i mean, the whole thing has become, frankly , a bit of a rip become, frankly, a bit of a rip off. and it's you that's responsible for all of it . responsible for all of it. you're absolutely right. well wett— you're absolutely right. well war, eo— you're absolutely right. well war, to m— you're absolutely right. well war, to m my— you're absolutely right. well well, so in my defence and meet— well, so in my defence and mteet m— well, so in my defence and indeed in defence of at least porter— indeed in defence of at least partial defence— indeed in defence of at least partial defence of the thatcher eovemmemt— partial defence of the thatcher government at— partial defence of the thatcher government at the time, yes , government at the time, yes, yes. — government at the time, yes, yes. tre— government at the time, yes, yee. rue mew— government at the time, yes, yes. we knew at— government at the time, yes, yes. we knew at the time we were eettme — yes. we knew at the time we were eettme tteee— yes. we knew at the time we were selling these companies off mem— selling these companies off eteoo .— selling these companies off meat . tre— selling these companies off cheap . we knew that this was cheap. we knew that this was going— cheap. we knew that this was gomg to— cheap. we knew that this was gomg to mout— cheap. we knew that this was gomg to more o— cheap. we knew that this was going to hand a massive windfall to mutte— going to hand a massive windfall to private shareholders and that was to private shareholders and that mteet— to private shareholders and that was indeed part— to private shareholders and that was indeed part of the strategy. but was indeed part of the strategy. out the— was indeed part of the strategy. out the rope— was indeed part of the strategy. but the hope was— was indeed part of the strategy. but the hope was that this would be e— but the hope was that this would be e ome— but the hope was that this would be e ott— but the hope was that this would be a one off, that— but the hope was that this would be a one off, that after a few years— be a one off, that after a few years ot— be a one off, that after a few yeore or high— be a one off, that after a few years of high profits, that the regutotory— years of high profits, that the regulatory regime would be ttgttemet— regulatory regime would be tightened and— regulatory regime would be tightened and we would be able to tree— tightened and we would be able to the mue— tightened and we would be able to the new and— tightened and we would be able to the new and new independent reeutotor— to the new and new independent regulator would— to the new and new independent regulator would force the eomomotee— regulator would force the companies to— regulator would force the companies to be more efficient, totte— companies to be more efficient, toree trem— companies to be more efficient, toree them to— companies to be more efficient, force them to invest more and deter— force them to invest more and deliver better— force them to invest more and deliver better service for a reoeomotte— deliver better service for a

reasonable price to bill payers mt— reasonable price to bill payers mt mar,— reasonable price to bill payers out met, to— reasonable price to bill payers and that, as you— reasonable price to bill payers and that, as you say , clearly and that, as you say, clearly teem-t— and that, as you say, clearly hasn't happened— and that, as you say, clearly hasn't happened . so the original hasn't happened. so the original eeemet— hasn't happened. so the original eeemet tot— hasn't happened. so the original scheme had its— hasn't happened. so the original scheme had its problems . but i scheme had its problems. but i ttttt— scheme had its problems. but i ttttt you— scheme had its problems. but i think you can't— scheme had its problems. but i think you can't blame mrs. ttoteter— think you can't blame mrs. thatcher and— think you can't blame mrs. thatcher and indeed me for eyeryttme— thatcher and indeed me for everything that's gone wrong in the everything that's gone wrong in tte oo— everything that's gone wrong in tte so years— everything that's gone wrong in the 30 years since— everything that's gone wrong in the 30 years since it's been success of governments and reeutotore— success of governments and regulators who _ success of governments and regulators who frankly have been eomptetety— regulators who frankly have been completely asleep— regulators who frankly have been completely asleep at the wheel on me— completely asleep at the wheel on to totte— completely asleep at the wheel on ttte toote. — completely asleep at the wheel on this topic. 0 c / completely asleep at the wheel on this topic. o c / on this topic. holac yeah, i mean, if you look at, for example, south—east water who've imposed a hosepipe ban on 2 million homes and for thousands of people in their areas , of people in their areas, they've had days and days without any water at all. they are saying that to deal with the problems is to deal with sewage outflows in particular, that people's bills in that particular area will be going up by 39% between now , now and by 39% between now, now and 2030. so there's a whole host of problems here. but thames water in particular, who are very ,

in particular, who are very, very heavily indebted through bonds and of course, the rise in interest rates is effectively the markets today are saying that it's 5050. whether thames water, frankly, simply goes bust, doesn't repay , say the bust, doesn't repay, say the bondholders. i must talk now of the government stepping in to renationalise these thames water. and who's to say that other companies jonathan, won't follow what do you think? given where we are now, depher, what do you think the best way forward is ? i think i'm not forward is? i think i'm not pereototty— forward is? i think i'm not pereototty tt— : 57 i think i'm not personally in favour of renationalisation since i think ttot— renationalisation since i think ttot were— renationalisation since i think that were not— renationalisation since i think that were not for— renationalisation since i think that were not for ideological reasons particularly, but because— reasons particularly, but because r— reasons particularly, but because i think that would it woutt— because i think that would it woutt te— because i think that would it would be complicated . it would would be complicated. it would eto— would be complicated. it would ett up— would be complicated. it would ett up tt— would be complicated. it would ett up tt tote— would be complicated. it would end up in lots of— would be complicated. it would end up in lots of court cases ott— end up in lots of court cases ott eo— end up in lots of court cases and so on. what— end up in lots of court cases and so on. what we do need is a eomotete— and so on. what we do need is a eomotete reset— and so on. what we do need is a complete reset of— and so on. what we do need is a complete reset of the regulatory regtme. — complete reset of the regulatory regtme. we— complete reset of the regulatory regime. we need— complete reset of the regulatory regime. we need a— complete reset of the regulatory regime. we need a regulator, a government— regime. we need a regulator, a government which puts in place a regutotory— government which puts in place a regutotory regtme— government which puts in place a regulatory regime and a regutotor— regulatory regime and a regulator that actually delivers for customers—

regulator that actually delivers for customers .— regulator that actually delivers for customers . that regulator that actually delivers for customers. that means eteurme— for customers. that means teumg you— for customers. that means ensuring, you know, we are going to ttetutttg— ensuring, you know, we are going to including bill— ensuring, you know, we are going to including bill payers, we are going— to including bill payers, we are 90ing to— to including bill payers, we are gottg to towe— to including bill payers, we are going to have to— to including bill payers, we are going to have to pay some more to trotte— going to have to pay some more to prowte tte— going to have to pay some more to provide the necessary investment— to provide the necessary investment .— to provide the necessary investment . what we shouldn't be investment. what we shouldn't be totte— investment. what we shouldn't be tome te— investment. what we shouldn't be doing to paving— investment. what we shouldn't be doing is paying huge amounts. on top doing is paying huge amounts. on tot ot— doing is paying huge amounts. on top ot ttot— doing is paying huge amounts. on top ot ttot .— doing is paying huge amounts. on top or ttot , oe— doing is paying huge amounts. on top of that , as we— doing is paying huge amounts. on top of that , as we have been for top of that, as we have been for the top of that, as we have been for tte teet— top of that, as we have been for tte toot zo— top of that, as we have been for the last 20 years— top of that, as we have been for the last 20 years to— top of that, as we have been for the last 20 years to pay out ttwtette— the last 20 years to pay out dividends to— the last 20 years to pay out dividends to companies in well in dividends to companies in well tt ot— dividends to companies in well in excess of what— dividends to companies in well in excess of what they needed to pay in excess of what they needed to pay huge— in excess of what they needed to pay huge pay— in excess of what they needed to pay huge pay packets to chief eeutee— pay huge pay packets to chief executives who _ pay huge pay packets to chief executives who frankly haven't run executives who frankly haven't tte — executives who frankly haven't run the businesses very well. att— run the businesses very well. and companies— run the businesses very well. and companies shouldn't be towed— and companies shouldn't be ottowet to— and companies shouldn't be allowed to use— and companies shouldn't be allowed to use these very complicated— allowed to use these very complicated financing. if you toot— complicated financing. if you toot ot— complicated financing. if you look at thames— complicated financing. if you look at thames water, it's not company.— look at thames water, it's not eompoty. rt— look at thames water, it's not one company. it is— look at thames water, it's not one company. it is a very complicated— one company. it is a very complicated network of holding eomototee— complicated network of holding eomotptee ott— complicated network of holding companies all interconnected. it's companies all interconnected. rt-e otmoet— companies all interconnected. it's almost impossible for tyote— it's almost impossible for anyone, even after looking at to figure— anyone, even after looking at to true out— anyone, even after looking at to figure out what's— anyone, even after looking at to figure out what's going on, because— figure out what's going on, because they— figure out what's going on, because they use that in order to eyptot— because they use that in order to eyptot motey— because they use that in order to syphon money out of the system — to syphon money out of the eyetem trom — to syphon money out of the system from investment into ttetr— system from investment into ttetr ow— system from investment into their own pockets. and that etouttt-t— their own pockets. and that shouldn't have— their own pockets. and that shouldn't have been allowed to happen-— shouldn't have been allowed to toppet. rt— shouldn't have been allowed to happen. it shouldn't be allowed to toooet— happen. it shouldn't be allowed to toppet tt— happen. it shouldn't be allowed to happen in the— happen. it shouldn't be allowed to happen in the future. " to happen in the future. so when you my— to happen in the future. so when you my wett— to happen in the future. so when you say we'll have— to happen in the future. so when you say we'll have to pay some more, i repeat the point. some water companies are saying that

bills increase by 40% bills will increase by 40% between now and 2030. is that an acceptable price for people to pay acceptable price for people to pay for clean beaches ? almost pay for clean beaches? almost certainly not. almost- f f7 almost certainly not. almost certainly notw— certainly not. almost certainly not because— certainly not. almost certainly not, because that— certainly not. almost certainly not, because that 40% is the opening— not, because that 40% is the opetmg ttet— not, because that 40% is the opening bid for— not, because that 40% is the opening bid for the companies, ott— opening bid for the companies, ott ttet— opening bid for the companies, and that includes— opening bid for the companies, and that includes the money that ttey— and that includes the money that ttey wett— and that includes the money that ttey wott tor— and that includes the money that they want for dividends, for payments— they want for dividends, for ouymette to— they want for dividends, for payments to bondholders , for payments to bondholders, for eecute — payments to bondholders, for eecute toy.— payments to bondholders, for executive pay. and so on. so i ttttt— executive pay. and so on. so i ttttt, you— executive pay. and so on. so i think, you know— executive pay. and so on. so i think, you know ,_ executive pay. and so on. so i think, you know , we will have to think, you know, we will have to pay— think, you know, we will have to toy more— think, you know, we will have to toy att— think, you know, we will have to toy att r— think, you know, we will have to pay more. and i think we have to accept— pay more. and i think we have to accept ttet— pay more. and i think we have to accept ttot we — pay more. and i think we have to accept that we will— pay more. and i think we have to accept that we will pay more. ttere— accept that we will pay more. ttere te— accept that we will pay more. there is money— accept that we will pay more. there is money going to the system — there is money going to the cyetem were— there is money going to the system we're building the huge ttomec— system we're building the huge ttomec super— system we're building the huge thames super sewer, for example, wttct— thames super sewer, for example, wttct-wttt— thames super sewer, for example, which -will-our- which over time will make our the which over time will make our tte ttomec— which over time will make our the thames-and- which over time will make our the thames and it's the thames cleaner. and it's mett— the thames cleaner. and it's right-should- the thames cleaner. and it's right-should pay- the thames cleaner. and it's right should pay for right that we should pay for ttet— right that we should pay for mot—teet- right that we should pay for that._need toi right that we should pay for. that._need to be that. but we don't need to be paying— that. but we don't need to be paving-sort— that. but we don't need to be paying-swt of- that. but we don't need to be paying sort of money paying that sort of money because— paying that sort of money because the— paying that sort of money because the that additional cost wttct— because the that additional cost which-resulted— because the that additional cost which resulted from which is resulted from regutotory— which is resulted from regulatory failure , can and regulatory failure, can and ctoutt— regulatory failure, can and ctoutt te— regulatory failure, can and should be reversed . oh, yeah. should be reversed. oh, yeah. att— should be reversed. oh, yeah. out o— should be reversed. oh, yeah. out o ttet— should be reversed. oh, yeah. and a final thought— should be reversed. oh, yeah. and a final thought on- should be reversed. oh, yeah. and a final thought on this, jonathan. it's quite interesting. one. if you look at the british population, which is exploding in numbers, it's up nearly 10 million since mr blair came to power, and yet we've not

built in england and wales a major new reservoir for, for getting for on 30 years. so we can talk about costs, efficiency , leaks, sewage , storm overflows , leaks, sewage, storm overflows . but there's actually potentially now a problem here with supply, isn't there ? with supply, isn't there? potentially we i mean, i with supply, isn't there? - potentially we i mean, i think wttt— potentially we i mean, i think wttt proper— potentially we i mean, i think with proper management, it's not like with proper management, it's not ttte tte— with proper management, it's not ttte tte wt,— with proper management, it's not ttte tte to, we— with proper management, it's not like the uk, we, you know, we're not like the uk, we, you know, we're tot souttem— like the uk, we, you know, we're not southern spain— like the uk, we, you know, we're not southern spain or greece, totte— not southern spain or greece, rtette we— not southern spain or greece, rtgtte we get— not southern spain or greece, rtgtte we get o— not southern spain or greece, right? we get a reasonable moutt— right? we get a reasonable moutt ot— right? we get a reasonable amount of rain— right? we get a reasonable amount of rain and water in this country.— amount of rain and water in this country so— amount of rain and water in this country. so wttt— amount of rain and water in this country. so with proper management- country. so with proper management of the water system, rivers , we should— management of the water system, rivers , we should have no rivers, we should have no grottem — rivers, we should have no grottem tt— rivers, we should have no problem in providing decent water— problem in providing decent woter ott— problem in providing decent water and clean— problem in providing decent water and clean water, clean , water and clean water, clean, cteot— water and clean water, clean, cteot teoctec— water and clean water, clean, clean beaches and rivers. but you— clean beaches and rivers. but you towe— clean beaches and rivers. but you towe to— clean beaches and rivers. but you towe to get— clean beaches and rivers. but you have to get the regulation rtgtt— you have to get the regulation rtgtt ott— you have to get the regulation rtgtt ott we— you have to get the regulation right and we fail— you have to get the regulation right and we fail to do that for a right and we fail to do that for u very— right and we fail to do that for u very totg— right and we fail to do that for every totg ttme— right and we fail to do that for a very long time. right and we fail to do that for a very long time . cit/q a very long time. okay. thank you for your explanations and i will not hold you personally accountable for all that's gone wrong. thank i promise you. wrong. thank you. i promise you. but thank giving us the but thank you for giving us the history that. john porters, history of that. john porters, thank very much indeed . in

thank you very much indeed. in a moment, let's have a look, shall we, electric vehicles. is it we, at electric vehicles. is it really . realistic that after really. realistic that after 2030, all new production of cars is going to be evs? and i say this just after a parliamentary committee has said that actually there should be no more hybrids either man made after 2030. is it realistic or is the whole thing just a pipe dream? all of that in just a moment

needs going forward. and it's rtgtt— needs going forward. and it's rtgtt ttet— needs going forward. and it's right that we're— needs going forward. and it's right that we're bringing more geome— right that we're bringing more geogte ttto— right that we're bringing more people into the— right that we're bringing more people into the system to make sure. you're listening- people into the system to make sure. 4:5. ”c: c scrzz" g people into the system to make sure. 4:3. ”c: c 56" g cit sure. you're listening to gb news radio . so do we trust the news radio. so do we trust the government— news radio. so do we trust the gowemmett to— news radio. so do we trust the government to take— \r 13: so do we trust the government to take back \r 15: so do we trust the government to take back control of government to take back control ot water— government to take back control ot woter tt— government to take back control of water in our— government to take back control of water in our country? kenneth coyo— of water in our country? kenneth coyc twe— of water in our country? kenneth euyc, r-we tutt— of water in our country? kenneth says, i've just seen— of water in our country? kenneth says, i've just seen the news our water rates— says, i've just seen the news our water rates are going up by as our water rates are going up by to muct— our water rates are going up by to muct to to.— our water rates are going up by as much as 40. as— our water rates are going up by as much as 40. as i understand it , as much as 40. as i understand it, businesses— as much as 40. as i understand it, businesses can— as much as 40. as i understand it, businesses can pick their summer— it, businesses can pick their eugptter .— it, businesses can pick their eugptter . wty— it, businesses can pick their supplier . why can't the general supplier. why can't the general tutttc— supplier. why can't the general tutttc te— supplier. why can't the general public be treated— supplier. why can't the general public be treated the same? we are public be treated the same? we towtg— public be treated the same? we are having cost— public be treated the same? we are having cost rises forced “p0“— are having cost rises forced “p0" uc— are having cost rises forced upon ue wttt— are having cost rises forced upon us with no- are having cost rises forced upon us with no choice . and upon us with no choice. and tettett— upon us with no choice. and tettett, tt— upon us with no choice. and kenneth, in a— upon us with no choice. and kenneth, in a sense, this gets

to tte— kenneth, in a sense, this gets to tte wtote— kenneth, in a sense, this gets to the whole problem, doesn't it? to the whole problem, doesn't tte ac— to the whole problem, doesn't tte ac r— to the whole problem, doesn't tte ac r cott— to the whole problem, doesn't it? as i said earlier, i was a big— it? as i said earlier, i was a ttg eogotett— it? as i said earlier, i was a big exponent of— it? as i said earlier, i was a big exponent of privatisation in the big exponent of privatisation in tte eec— big exponent of privatisation in tte etc, tut— big exponent of privatisation in the 80s, but not— big exponent of privatisation in the 80s, but not when you allow ettecttwety— the 80s, but not when you allow effectively private _ the 80s, but not when you allow effectively private monopolies to tote— effectively private monopolies to tote otte— effectively private monopolies to take over in— effectively private monopolies to take over in areas . as jeff to take over in areas. as jeff coyo— to take over in areas. as jeff coyc r— to take over in areas. as jeff euyc, r tot-t— to take over in areas. as jeff says, i don't trust- to take over in areas. as jeff says, i don't trust this government - says, i don't trust this government at all. no, jeff, i get— government at all. no, jeff, i get rt.— government at all. no, jeff, i get tt. tut— government at all. no, jeff, i get tt. tut tte— government at all. no, jeff, i get it. but the real question is woutt— get it. but the real question is woutt you— get it. but the real question is would you trust— get it. but the real question is would you trust any government to ut— would you trust any government to run our utilities— would you trust any government to run our utilities and tony coyo— to run our utilities and tony coyc we— to run our utilities and tony euyc, we cot-t— to run our utilities and tony says, we can't trust the government _ says, we can't trust the government with the channel. so tow— government with the channel. so tow ct— government with the channel. so how can we trust— government with the channel. so how can we trust them with our watere— how can we trust them with our water? att— how can we trust them with our water? all right,— how can we trust them with our water? all right, tony, i think ttot— water? all right, tony, i think ttot woe— water? all right, tony, i think ttot o— water? all right, tony, i think that was a slightly different tott— that was a slightly different pomt you— that was a slightly different point you were _ that was a slightly different point you were trying to make. wow— point you were trying to make. wow etectrtc— point you were trying to make. now electric vehicles. i'm romeo— now electric vehicles. i'm joined ty— now electric vehicles. i'm joined by james cort, head of tte— joined by james cort, head of the electric— joined by james cort, head of the electric vehicle association . ac— the electric vehicle association . ac r— the electric vehicle association . ac r cott— the electric vehicle association . ac r cott o— the electric vehicle association . as i said a moment ago, james, you— . as i said a moment ago, james, you mow,— . as i said a moment ago, james, you know tte— . as i said a moment ago, james, you know, the parliamentary commtttee— you know, the parliamentary committee is— you know, the parliamentary committee is so— you know, the parliamentary committee is so worried about coz— committee is so worried about coz emccrotc— committee is so worried about co2 emissions ,_ committee is so worried about co2 emissions , so— committee is so worried about co2 emissions , so worried, even co2 emissions, so worried, even ttougt— co2 emissions, so worried, even ttougt we— co2 emissions, so worried, even ttougt we ore— co2 emissions, so worried, even though we are less— co2 emissions, so worried, even though we are less than 1% of gtotot— though we are less than 1% of gtotot coz— though we are less than 1% of global co2 emissions , they're so global co2 emissions, they're so worrtet— global co2 emissions, they're so worried about— global co2 emissions, they're so worried about it.— global co2 emissions, they're so worried about it. they're saying octuotty— worried about it. they're saying octuotty .— worried about it. they're saying actually , after— worried about it. they're saying actually , after 2030, even actually, after 2030, even tytrttc— actually, after 2030, even hybrids shouldn't be made. so tet-c— hybrids shouldn't be made. so let's discuss— hybrids shouldn't be made. so let's discuss the— hybrids shouldn't be made. so let's discuss the case for and ogottct— let's discuss the case for and against electric— let's discuss the case for and against electric vehicles . the

against electric vehicles. the ttmettte— against electric vehicles. the ttmettte ot— against electric vehicles. the timeline of 2030, after which no new cars or vans— timeline of 2030, after which no new cars or vans will get manufactured— new cars or vans will get manufactured unless they're all etectrtc— manufactured unless they're all etectrtc .— manufactured unless they're all etectrtc . r— manufactured unless they're all electric . i mean,— manufactured unless they're all electric . i mean, it's for the electric. i mean, it's for the ttrtc— electric. i mean, it's for the ttrtc tct-t— electric. i mean, it's for the birds, isn't it? _ electric. i mean, it's for the birds, isn't it? i- electric. i mean, it's for the birds, isn't it? ”cacao curt" c birds, isn't it? i really don't think it is . i mean, you look at think it is. i mean, you look at where we are and look at where we've come from. pre 2019, we had a dozen electric vehicles and choice. now we've got over 150. there's models and shapes and to do all manner of and sizes to do all manner of things. 2030 is still a long way away and i think people forget that we're trying ban all that we're not trying to ban all electric vehicles and that it is just cars as there's still just new cars as there's still probably going to be between 20 and 30% of electric vehicles on the road by 2030. what do you say so if we look at the say that so if we look at the number electric vehicles on number of electric vehicles on the now. yeah, how many the road now. yeah, how many woutt— the road now. yeah, how many woutt tt— the road now. yeah, how many woutt tt tee— the road now. yeah, how many woutt tt tee — the road now. yeah, how many would it be? 2.— the road now. yeah, how many would it be? 2. so,- the road now. yeah, how many would it be? 2. so, you- : yeah, how many would it be? i? would it be? 2. so, you know, a small number. and you think would it be? i? and you think by small number. and you think by acco— small number. and you think by zoco tt— small number. and you think by zoco tt court— small number. and you think by 2030 it could be— small number. and you think by 2030 it could be 70. _ small number. and you think by 2030 it could be 70. the- 2030 it could be 70. the grog-ecttotc— 2030 it could be 70. the projections that the zev mandate , wttct— projections that the zev mandate , wttct tc— projections that the zev mandate wttct tc tte— projections that the zev mandate , which is the policy mechanism ttot-c— , which is the policy mechanism ttot-c gottg— , which is the policy mechanism ttot-c gottg to— , which is the policy mechanism that's going to get— , which is the policy mechanism that's going to get us there to 20r— that's going to get us there to 20, co,— that's going to get us there to 20, to, co,— that's going to get us there to 20, to, co, tte— that's going to get us there to 20, 30, 35, the trajectory ttey-we— 20, 30, 35, the trajectory they've taken— 20, 30, 35, the trajectory they've taken is pretty much wtot— they've taken is pretty much wtot tte— they've taken is pretty much what the car— they've taken is pretty much what the car industry was saying

was what the car industry was saying gottg— what the car industry was saying gottg to— what the car industry was saying gottg to te— what the car industry was saying was going to be business as tormt-t — was going to be business as tormt-t rt— was going to be business as normal. it was— was going to be business as normal. c normal. it was business as usual. so we're looking at the growth and where we've come from. we look at the demand and we're looking at what the motor industry themselves they industry themselves say they can manufacture for of people manufacture for a lot of people on green side were actually on the green side were actually wanting transition wanting much quicker transition oven wanting much quicker transition over. already an over. so this is already an industry about this. i wonder about this. i mean- industry about this. i wonder about this. i mean here- i wonder about this. i mean here we got tte—tott- about this. i mean here we got the—don't want. about this. i mean here we goti the—don't want us the greenies who don't want us to-our— the greenies who don't want us to -our own . and - the greenies who don't want us to-our own-and our to produce our own oil and our gec— to produce our own oil and our goc ott— to produce our own oil and our goc ott our— to produce our own oil and our own gas and our own coal, even ttougt— own gas and our own coal, even ttougt were— own gas and our own coal, even ttougt gottg— own gas and our own coal, even though we're going to need this ctutt— though we're going to need this stuff. decades, _ though we're going to need this stuff-decades,-no- stuff for decades, there's no guecttot— stuff for decades, there's no guecttot-woy- stuff for decades, there's no question -way we i stuff for decades, there's no question way we will question in some way we will teet— question in some way we will teed-tor— question in some way we will need -for decades. l question in some way we will need for decades. but need this stuff for decades. but ttey-re— need this stuff for decades. but theatre—happy- need this stuff for decades. but theatre—happy youi they're more than happy. you mow,— they're more than happy. you know tet-c— they're more than happy. you know, let's not— they're more than happy. you know, let's not have a small otttroctte— know, let's not have a small anthracite-in- know, let's not have a small anthracite in cumbria , but anthracite mine in cumbria, but ttey-re— anthracite mine in cumbria, but ttey-re moe— anthracite mine in cumbria, but they're more than— anthracite mine in cumbria, but they're more than happy in the ot— they're more than happy in the case of lithium,— they're more than happy in the case of lithium, major problem. woct— case of lithium, major problem. woct moct— case of lithium, major problem. woct moct ot— case of lithium, major problem. most most of the— case of lithium, major problem. most most of the big lithium receecrw— most most of the big lithium reserves now around the world are reserves now around the world cottrottet— reserves now around the world are controlled by— reserves now around the world are controlled by china cobalt. we are controlled by china cobalt. we mow— are controlled by china cobalt. we know .— are controlled by china cobalt. we know , you— are controlled by china cobalt. we know , you know, appalling we know, you know, appalling cotttttotc— we know, you know, appalling conditions in— we know, you know, appalling conditions in central africa. i mean, we are going to need, if your— mean, we are going to need, if your turgetc— mean, we are going to need, if your torgetc oe— mean, we are going to need, if your targets are going to get metr— your targets are going to get met, we're going to need to ctort— met, we're going to need to ctort mttttg— met, we're going to need to start mining around the world on a start mining around the world on a core— start mining around the world on a scale never seen— start mining around the world on a scale never seen before by

tumottty— a scale never seen before by humanity. see,— a scale never seen before by humanity. see, how green is that 7 humanity. see, how green is that e r— humanity. see, how green is that e r mem— humanity. see, how green is that ? i mean, we've— humanity. see, how green is that ? i mean, we've seen- humanity. see, how green is that 7 " " cc; ? i mean, we've seen huge changes happen in a very short amount of time. we saw a shift from town gas to natural gas that was every home in the country got done in under ten years. but that's technology , years. but that's technology, rtgtte— years. but that's technology, rtgtte att — years. but that's technology, rtgtte att r— years. but that's technology, right? and i get— «c235 but that's technology, right? and i get that. that was a right? and i get that. that was t ctttt— right? and i get that. that was t ctttt tt— right? and i get that. that was a shift in technology and a very ctgttttcott— a shift in technology and a very significant and— a shift in technology and a very significant and a— a shift in technology and a very significant and a very good one in significant and a very good one tt moty— significant and a very good one m many, many— significant and a very good one in many, many ways. what i'm coyttg— in many, many ways. what i'm coyttg-ttere- in many, many ways. what i'm saying-there will- in many, many ways. what i'm saying there will be saying to you is there will be open— saying to you is there will be open-lithium _ saying to you is there will be open lithium mining across open cast lithium mining across the open cast lithium mining across tte wortt— open cast lithium mining across tte wortt tt— open cast lithium mining across tte wortt m o— open cast lithium mining across the world in a massive scale. att— the world in a massive scale. att wty— the world in a massive scale. att wty to— the world in a massive scale. and why do not— the world in a massive scale. and why do not why do people not ttttt— and why do not why do people not ttttt ttet— and why do not why do people not think that actually— and why do not why do people not think that actually we the mount— think that actually we the moutt ot— think that actually we the amount of co2- think that actually we the amount of co2 we're going to teet— amount of co2 we're going to teet to— amount of co2 we're going to need to produce— amount of co2 we're going to need to produce these cars and to get— need to produce these cars and to get ttece— need to produce these cars and to get these minerals, let alone the to get these minerals, let alone tte emce— to get these minerals, let alone tte trtce, tc— to get these minerals, let alone the price, is because already etectrtc— the price, is because already electric cars— the price, is because already electric cars are— the price, is because already electric cars are quite a lot more expensive _ electric cars are quite a lot more expensive .- electric cars are quite a lot more expensive . i mean, i would more expensive. i mean, i would towe— more expensive. i mean, i would towe ttougtt— more expensive. i mean, i would have thought that— more expensive. i mean, i would have thought that if your ttmetttec— have thought that if your timelines were met, i can't even tmogtte— timelines were met, i can't even tmogtte wtot— timelines were met, i can't even imagine what the— timelines were met, i can't even imagine what the price of copper,— imagine what the price of copper, cobalt— imagine what the price of copper, cobalt and lithium is going— copper, cobalt and lithium is gottg to— copper, cobalt and lithium is gottg to te— copper, cobalt and lithium is gottg to te ty— copper, cobalt and lithium is going to be by 2030. ”rttt; going to be by 2030. so there's a going to be by 2030. so there's t tot— going to be by 2030. so there's t tot to— going to be by 2030. so there's a lot to unpack there, i think. i'm sorry. there is there is there's a few things. i mean, on on, on the lithium side of it, i think it's important that manufacturers and actually on the battery side, the vast

majority of battery majority of large battery manufacturers now have signed up to lithium to pledges on lithium and cobalt. that's cobalt. and i think that's necessary needed . but we're necessary and needed. but we're already to when already beginning to see when you do you you say pledges, what do you mean in the same way that you have fair fuel, coffee, they will be to make sure that will be trying to make sure that their supply chain is as clean as it possibly can be. and that's a pledge that a lot that's a pledge that not a lot of and gas companies of other oil and gas companies and companies taken and petrol companies have taken . i we've got to at . i think we've got to look at sort both lithium and the sort of both the lithium and the need lithium. it's in need for lithium. it's in everything we've got. i'm sure you've got lithium on right you've got lithium on you right now. the now. and i think actually the amount lithium that goes into amount of lithium that goes into the as as the batteries isn't as great as everybody thinks. we're everybody thinks. and we're already seeing technology advances year. advances already this year. there's going a sodium there's going to be a sodium battery into a car and battery put into a car and that's on and that's already on sale. and hopefully be on sale in hopefully we'll be on sale in the later. technology the uk later. technology advances going to be advances on this is going to be huge, the way. this will have huge, by the way. this will have to te — huge, by the way. this will have to be e— huge, by the way. this will have to be e mttttg— gt; this will have to be a mining revolution 13t; this will have to be a mining revolution in outt— to be a mining revolution in around-world- to be a mining revolution in around world will be around the world that will be needed— around the world that will be teeter—tte- needed if countries like us are going— needed if countries like us are gottg to— needed if countries like us are going to .towards- needed if countries like us are going to towards these evs. going to go towards these evs. i going to go towards these evs. r ot— going to go towards these evs. r on tttt— going to go towards these evs. r on tttt ott— going to go towards these evs. rot tttt at r— going to go towards these evs. ion that all i can— going to go towards these evs. i on that all i can say- going to go towards these evs. ion that all i can say is- going to go towards these evs. i on that all i can say is that i on that all i can say is that i listen to people like elon musk who say that, okay, in the next year or two there are there

are pinches on lithium, but the long term of it, this is a reasonably abundant resource and there are already elon musk advancements. and there are already elon musk advancements . and elon musk does advancements. and elon musk does towe— advancements. and elon musk does towe, you— advancements. and elon musk does towe, you mow— advancements. and elon musk does towe. you know .— advancements. and elon musk does have, you know , actually- e�*i: f and elon musk does have, you know , actually sort of have, you know, actually sort of towe— have, you know, actually sort of towe to— have, you know, actually sort of towe to tott— have, you know, actually sort of have to talk his— have, you know, actually sort of have to talk his book a little ttt. — have to talk his book a little ttt. r— have to talk his book a little ttt. r me— have to talk his book a little bit. i mean, let's— have to talk his book a little bit. i mean, let's be fair about tttc— bit. i mean, let's be fair about tttc. wow,— bit. i mean, let's be fair about tttc. wow, tte— bit. i mean, let's be fair about this. now, the cars— bit. i mean, let's be fair about this. now, the cars are incredibly— this. now, the cars are incredibly heavy and they're motttg— incredibly heavy and they're making—britain. incredibly heavy and they're- making_britain much making potholes in britain much worce-otreoty- making potholes in britain much worse already could worse than they already could be.-endangering- worse than they already could be. endangering all be. they're endangering all cortc— be. they're endangering all cortc ot— be. they're endangering all sorts of multi—storey car parks wtere— sorts of multi—storey car parks wtere tt— sorts of multi—storey car parks wtere tt may— sorts of multi—storey car parks where it may be— sorts of multi—storey car parks where it may be impossible for ttece— where it may be impossible for ttece carc— where it may be impossible for ttece to— where it may be impossible for these cars to go. _ where it may be impossible for these cars to go. there are no cturgttg— these cars to go. there are no ctorgmg tomc— these cars to go. there are no charging points. and when you get to— charging points. and when you get to o— charging points. and when you get to a charging— charging points. and when you get to a charging point, charging points. and when you get to a charging point , the rip get to a charging point, the rip off get to a charging point, the rip ott ortcec— get to a charging point, the rip ott ortcec ore— get to a charging point, the rip off prices are particularly on tte— off prices are particularly on the motorways— off prices are particularly on the motorways are horrific . the motorways are horrific. all rtgtt. — the motorways are horrific. all rtgtt. owe— the motorways are horrific. all rtgtt. owe me— the motorways are horrific. all right. give me one— the motorways are horrific. all right. give me one at- the motorways are horrific. all right. give me one at a- the motorways are horrific. all right. give me one at a time. we'll try and work their way through. we haven't got long. we haven't got long on the pothole issue. i mean, the most significant there would significant thing there would be freight. when you're freight. and i think when you're talking the extra the talking about the extra the extra weight all right. extra weight of cars. all right. model, model. it's like model, model, model. it's like 15. itell model, model, model. it's like 15. i tell you what, i'll give you— 15. i tell you what, i'll give you ttet— 15. i tell you what, i'll give you ttot ot— 15. i tell you what, i'll give you that on the— ”to i tell you what, i'll give you that on the potholes. all rtgtt. — you that on the potholes. all rtgtt. ttte. — you that on the potholes. all right, fine. but— you that on the potholes. all right, fine. but these are incredibly heavy. 15, more roughly incredibly heavy. 15, more rougtty-tte- incredibly heavy. 15, more. roughly-the model. incredibly heavy. 15, more- roughly-the model. so roughly than than the model. so a gott— roughly than than the model. so u got ecu—

roughly than than the model. so a golf versus an— roughly than than the model. so a golf versus an e—golf. you're tottttg— a golf versus an e—golf. you're. talking—heavier talking around 15% more heavier .-trottem— talking around 15% more heavier .-trottem tc— talking around 15% more heavier .-problem is that- talking around 15% more heavier . problem is that also . the real problem is that also corc-ruct— . the real problem is that also corc-tuct got— . the real problem is that also cars just got huge. i mean, cars have just got huge. i mean, i cars have just got huge. i mean, t wctt— cars have just got huge. i mean, iwasn't around— cars have just got huge. i mean, iwasn't around in— cars have just got huge. i mean, i wasn't around in the 1970s, tut— i wasn't around in the 1970s, tut wtet— i wasn't around in the 1970s, tut wtet you— i wasn't around in the 1970s, but when you were designing a car but when you were designing a gortttg— but when you were designing a car parking-when- but when you were designing a car parking when you're car parking spaces, when you're tectgtttg—wei designing sort of car parks, we trtwtg— designing sort of car parks, we were driving much smaller cars. ttet— were driving much smaller cars. mot-muct— were driving much smaller cars.| that-much_much that is a much bigger and much ttgtter— that is a much bigger and much ttgtter-muct- that is a much bigger and much lighter much lighter, lighter cars and much lighter, mug.— lighter cars and much lighter, mug. muct— lighter cars and much lighter, much, much lighter cars. commerce.— much, much lighter cars. completely. so- much, much lighter cars. completely. so i- much, much lighter cars. so i mean, just completely. so i mean, just geopte-c— completely. so i mean, just geopte-c-corc- completely. so i mean, just people's-cars have| people's tastes in cars have moved— people's tastes in cars have mowed-more- people's tastes in cars have moved-more to- people's tastes in cars have moved more to much larger moved much more to much larger corc-tetttttety— moved much more to much larger cars-definitely a— cars. it is definitely a grottem. — cars. it is definitely a problem. -all. cars. it is definitely a- problem.-all driving cars. it is definitely a- problem. -all driving too problem. we're all driving too big problem. we're all driving too org-tow. — problem. we're all driving too big-now. chapman. problem. we're all driving too. big-now. chapman drives big a cars now. chapman drives me around quite a lot. yep, spent lot money on a spent quite a lot of money on a brand new london black taxi . brand new london black taxi. it's electric, but in reality , it's electric, but in reality, motty. in reality, he has to run it on petrol for most of the time. it'sjust it on petrol for most of the time. it's just not working. the charging points in london, the infrastructure simply isn't there. the cost of that infrastructure going in would be enormous. i mean, let's face it, this just at the moment, and i grant you 2030, a few years away at the moment, this just is not at the moment, this just is not a practical proposition , is it? a practical proposition, is it? see, i think i think the black catc— see, i think i think the black cotc tc— see, i think i think the black cotc tc o— see, i think i think the black cabs is a real— see, i think i think the black cabs is a real success story for tte— cabs is a real success story for

tte wt.— cabs is a real success story for tte to we— cabs is a real success story for the uk. we sort— cabs is a real success story for the uk. we sort of— cabs is a real success story for the uk. we sort of obviously tt-c— the uk. we sort of obviously tt-c o— the uk. we sort of obviously tt-c u very— the uk. we sort of obviously it's a very iconic— the uk. we sort of obviously it's a very iconic vehicle and wttttt— it's a very iconic vehicle and wttttt o— it's a very iconic vehicle and wttttt c or— it's a very iconic vehicle and within 3 or 4— it's a very iconic vehicle and within 3 or 4 years they've motoget— within 3 or 4 years they've managed to— within 3 or 4 years they've managed to completely turn outt— managed to completely turn around their— managed to completely turn around their supply chain and produce—o- around their supply chain and produce _ a kind i produce this first of a kind cort— produce this first of a kind cort ot— produce this first of a kind sort of electric— produce this first of a kind sort of electric black cab. they wttt— sort of electric black cab. they wttt-get— sort of electric black cab. they will-get better— sort of electric black cab. they will-get better as- sort of electric black cab. they will get better as well. will only get better as well. att— will only get better as well. amt-tte— will only get better as well. and-the thing- will only get better as well. and the thing and you and i think the thing and you prototy— and i think the thing and you prototty-you- and i think the thing and you probably you need to probably need to you need to trowet— probably need to you need to tower-catc- probably need to you need to travel cabs probably travel in black cabs probably moreo-t — travel in black cabs probably moreo-t tut- travel in black cabs probably more do. but when i speak more than i do. but when i speak to ttem— more than i do. but when i speak to them, especially— more than i do. but when i speak to them, especially when we're ctorgttg— to them, especially when we're ctorgmg ott— to them, especially when we're ctorgmg mt r— to them, especially when we're charging and i see of charging and i see sort of a tract— charging and i see sort of a tack cot— charging and i see sort of a black cab driver,— charging and i see sort of a black cab driver, the thing they say black cab driver, the thing they coy-ott— black cab driver, the thing they coy-mt tt-c— black cab driver, the thing they say and it's something say isn't and it's something ttet— say isn't and it's something ttot tct-t— say isn't and it's something that isn't really— say isn't and it's something that isn't really mentioned, tt-c—ttey- that isn't really mentioned, tt-c—ttey orei that isn't really mentioned,. it's—they are to it's just how nicer they are to true— it's just how nicer they are to trtwe ott— it's just how nicer they are to drive and how— it's just how nicer they are to drive and how quieter are drive and how quieter they are now— drive and how quieter they are now,-something- drive and how quieter they are now, something that now, that's something that you say now, that's something that you coy-eto— now, that's something that you coy-ett ot— now, that's something that you say-end of-work,| say after the end of the work, you— say after the end of the work, you towet-t— say after the end of the work, you haven't-that- say after the end of the work, you haven't that ringing you haven't got that ringing teotocte— you haven't got that ringing. headache—haven't headache because you haven't teet—ttei been juddering around for the tect— been juddering around for the toctltourc. — been juddering around for the last-hours. well,- been juddering around for the last hours. wttct last 12 hours. well, it's something we don't talk about. the quality is great, but the drive quality is great, but the point is, whole point of the point is, the whole point of our debate here. yeah. tonight. att— our debate here. yeah. tonight. 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260 miles on average . i actually 260 miles on average. i actually think what i now, i could think for what i do now, i could save ten grand and go save myself ten grand and go down 120, 150 mile range, down to 120, 150 mile range, because that would suit my purposes. that would suit your perit— purposes. that would suit your gem—mtc- perp, wouldn't suit mine woutttt— perp, wouldn't suit mine wouldn't-is. perp, wouldn't suit minei wouldn't.-is it. perp, wouldn't suit mine- wouldn't.-is it. and wouldn't. and this is it. and i think the thing is right now, again, let's remember that we are talking about a small are talking about a very small number next seven years. number in the next seven years. i'm lucky i in london and i'm lucky i live in london and i've lamppost chargers on my i've got lamppost chargers on my street. people in the uk street. 70% of people in the uk have driveways and that's when you you're you can really start if you're living you're living in a living in if you're living in a tower it's impossible. tower block, it's impossible. it's going to be more it's definitely going to be more of it's definitely going to be more ot o— it's definitely going to be more of a challenge.— it's definitely going to be more of a challenge. well james, wett— of a challenge. well james, we'll debate— of a challenge. well james, we'll debate again. we'll debate this again. rtetce. — we'll debate this again. please. _for. we'll debate this again. please. _for in. please. thank you for coming in. in moment, really shocking in a moment, a really shocking story what has happened story about what has happened in the town of hastings the east sussex town of hastings to their lifeboat service .

on gb news with me, michael tortuo— on gb news with me, michael tortttto ct— on gb news with me, michael portillo gb news— on gb news with me, michael portillo gb news the people's gunner,— portillo gb news the people's channel, britain's— portillo gb news the people's channel, britain's news . channel channel, britain's news. channel it channel, britain's news. channel rt tc— channel, britain's news. channel rt tc co— channel, britain's news. channel rt tc co cot— channel, britain's news. channel it is so sad that— channel, britain's news. channel it is so sad that the— channel, britain's news. channel it is so sad that the rnli , an

it is so sad that the rnli, an orgottcottot— it is so sad that the rnli, an organisation that's been around for organisation that's been around tor zoo— organisation that's been around tor zoo yeorc— organisation that's been around for 200 years next— organisation that's been around for 200 years next year, has cuccumtet— for 200 years next year, has succumbed to— for 200 years next year, has succumbed to woke culture. were— succumbed to woke culture. were covered — succumbed to woke culture. we've covered this- succumbed to woke culture. we've covered this before on on this programme, but i think what sue reed special investigations editor at the daily mail, is about to tell us is without doubt the most shocking case i've heard so far. sue welcome again onto the programme . so again onto the programme. so we're talking about the quaint little east sussex town of hastings where all the boats launch off the shingle with its amazing old town, had a lifeboat crew there forever . normally crew there forever. normally historic , staffed by local historic, staffed by local people , fishing community, people, fishing community, mainly fishing , mainly fishing mainly fishing, mainly fishing community. historically what's happened? well, it's become tmmercet— happened? well, it's become tmmercet tt— happened? well, it's become immersed in a— 37 well, it's become immersed in a shocking wokeist row immersed in a shocking wokeist ott— immersed in a shocking wokeist ott tt-c— immersed in a shocking wokeist row and it's almost like the tertect— row and it's almost like the perfect storm _ row and it's almost like the perfect storm because we are tottttg— perfect storm because we are tottmg otout— perfect storm because we are talking about fishermen who have teet— talking about fishermen who have been generations— talking about fishermen who have been generations of rnli very eogertetcet— been generations of rnli very experienced seamen who have cuttetty— experienced seamen who have suddenly crashed— experienced seamen who have suddenly crashed into the world,

ttet— suddenly crashed into the world, ttot tte — suddenly crashed into the world, ttot tte tutt— suddenly crashed into the world, that the rnli has— suddenly crashed into the world, that the rnli has become . and that the rnli has become. and it's that the rnli has become. and tt-c ot— that the rnli has become. and it's an incredibly— that the rnli has become. and it's an incredibly sad story , it's an incredibly sad story, octuotty— it's an incredibly sad story, actually, for— it's an incredibly sad story, actually, for two years now, prototy— actually, for two years now, probably three _ actually, for two years now, probably three years, i've been tryttg— probably three years, i've been tryttg to— probably three years, i've been tryttg to get— probably three years, i've been tryttg to get u— probably three years, i've been trying to get a lifeboatmen up ott— trying to get a lifeboatmen up ott towt— trying to get a lifeboatmen up and down the— trying to get a lifeboatmen up and down the country. i've been to scarborough _ and down the country. i've been to scarborough and various ttecec— to scarborough and various ptecec to— to scarborough and various places to talk— to scarborough and various places to talk about what was toggetmg— places to talk about what was happening within the rnli and ttey-we— happening within the rnli and ttey-we teet— happening within the rnli and they've been frightened into cttetce— they've been frightened into silence over— they've been frightened into silence over the _ they've been frightened into silence over the weekend , that silence over the weekend, that cttetce — silence over the weekend, that silence finished— silence over the weekend, that silence finished when a few tttetoot— silence finished when a few lifeboat men— silence finished when a few lifeboat men from hastings said, we lifeboat men from hastings said, we wett— lifeboat men from hastings said, we wont to— lifeboat men from hastings said, we want to tell— lifeboat men from hastings said, we want to tell you exactly what is we want to tell you exactly what tc toggetttg— we want to tell you exactly what tc toggetmg. att— we want to tell you exactly what is happening. and they said it's heartbreaking. _ is happening. and they said it's heartbreaking. '“r: is happening. and they said it's heartbreaking. “r: is happening. and they said it's heartbreaking. ' “r: heartbreaking. and some of the crew have left or been asked to leave. some of them have been mote— leave. some of them have been mote to— leave. some of them have been mote to ctott— leave. some of them have been made to stand down,— some of them have been made to stand down, according to the made to stand down, according to tte report.— made to stand down, according to tte report. att— made to stand down, according to the report. and because they've run the report. and because they've ttto— the report. and because they've ttto wtot— the report. and because they've run into what what are their e— run into what what are their crimes ? well,— run into what what are their crimes ? well, they've been crimes? well, they've been ccucet— crimes? well, they've been ccucet ot— crimes? well, they've been accused of being alpha males. onc— accused of being alpha males. et, tetr— accused of being alpha males. et, teor .— accused of being alpha males. et, teor. tow— accused of being alpha males. oh, dear . how awful. who anti oh, dear. how awful. who anti women show poor— oh, dear. how awful. who anti women show poor behaviour to tut— women show poor behaviour to women, but rolling their eyes

wtet— women, but rolling their eyes when women speak and various ttttgc— when women speak and various ttttgc tte— when women speak and various things like this. _ when women speak and various things like this. and making. r-m — things like this. and making. r-m wotctttg— things like this. and making. i'm watching you gesture , which i'm watching you gesture, which opporettty— i'm watching you gesture, which upgorettty tc— i'm watching you gesture, which apparently is two— i'm watching you gesture, which apparently is two fingers up to your— apparently is two fingers up to your eye.— apparently is two fingers up to your eye. out— apparently is two fingers up to your eye. but the _ apparently is two fingers up to your eye. but the report that twe— your eye. but the report that i've seen and— your eye. but the report that i've seen and all— your eye. but the report that i've seen and all they've seen is i've seen and all they've seen tc o— i've seen and all they've seen tc a pretty— i've seen and all they've seen is a pretty flimsy— i've seen and all they've seen is a pretty flimsy affair to be totect— is a pretty flimsy affair to be totect. tut— is a pretty flimsy affair to be honest. but there are these terrttte— honest. but there are these terrible, widespread accusations ogottct— terrible, widespread accusations ogottct ott— terrible, widespread accusations against all all— terrible, widespread accusations against all all men at hastings tttetoot— against all all men at hastings lifeboat station. _ against all all men at hastings lifeboat station. �*vw�*rt1c �*" against all all men at hastings lifeboat station. �*vw�*rtgt �*" lifeboat station. well, if i was in trouble in the middle of the channel on a boat that was sinking, fearing for my life, i want some alpha males to come and get me. but equally of course, there are some women on lifeboat crews around the country. i know so country. there's one i know so themselves very, themselves and some can be very, very so what's the issue very good. so what's the issue here? well, the issue is that ott— here? well, the issue is that ottltowe— here? well, the issue is that ottltowe got— here? well, the issue is that andihave got some- “rt;”rt;7’ well, the issue is that and have got some quotes from and i have got some quotes from ttem— and i have got some quotes from them,_permitted- and i have got some quotes from them, permitted me to them, which they permitted me to react— them, which they permitted me to eat out— them, which they permitted me to eat out o— them, which they permitted me to read out a couple— them, which they permitted me to read out a couple what seems to towe— read out a couple what seems to towe toggetet— read out a couple what seems to have happened is— read out a couple what seems to have happened is that who have happened is that people who are have happened is that people who ore—tte— have happened is that people who ore—tte ttt- are applying to join the rnli tettewtg— are applying to join the rnli believing .just- are applying to join the rnli believing just like any believing it's just like any otter— believing it's just like any other charity— believing it's just like any other charity work when of course this _ other charity work when of course this is— other charity work when of course this is need for serious ceomotcttt— course this is need for serious ceomotctm. —

course this is need for serious seamanship. : course this is need for serious seamanship . : seamanship. would these be trendy incomers to hastings coming from coming from coming from london and hastings? they say now our town is filling- : tr“r: “r3s7 they say now our town is filling up wttt— say now our town is filling up wttt tttot— say now our town is filling up with idiot hipsters from hackney wttt— with idiot hipsters from hackney wttt to— with idiot hipsters from hackney with no common— with idiot hipsters from hackney with no common sense who want to be our— with no common sense who want to be our volunteers— with no common sense who want to be our volunteers .— with no common sense who want to be our volunteers . another one be our volunteers. another one is be our volunteers. another one tc tt— be our volunteers. another one tc tt toyc— be our volunteers. another one tc m toyc gote— be our volunteers. another one tc m toyc gote ty— be our volunteers. another one is in days gone by the coxswain, the is in days gone by the coxswain, tte cottott— is in days gone by the coxswain, the captain should— is in days gone by the coxswain, the captain should decided who he the captain should decided who te woutt— the captain should decided who he would take— the captain should decided who he would take to— the captain should decided who he would take to sea. now they are he would take to sea. now they tt— he would take to sea. now they m o te— he would take to sea. now they are in a lie which— he would take to sea. now they are in a lie which is being otwcet— are in a lie which is being otwcet ty— are in a lie which is being advised by stonewall on ttwerctty. — advised by stonewall on diversity. extraordinary says eeoryte— diversity. extraordinary says everyone must— diversity. extraordinary says everyone must have a turn . it's everyone must have a turn. it's a everyone must have a turn. it's a matter— everyone must have a turn. it's a motter ot— everyone must have a turn. it's a matter of she— everyone must have a turn. it's a matter of she hasn't been out for a matter of she hasn't been out tor o— a matter of she hasn't been out tor o tort.— a matter of she hasn't been out tor o rt. ewe— a matter of she hasn't been out for a bit. give her— a matter of she hasn't been out for a bit. give her a— a matter of she hasn't been out for a bit. give her a go . but for a bit. give her a go. but ot— for a bit. give her a go. but ot tte— for a bit. give her a go. but some of the female volunteers wto— some of the female volunteers wto towe— some of the female volunteers who have been— some of the female volunteers who have been given a go have teet— who have been given a go have been violently— who have been given a go have been violently sick. see “411?" been violently sick. see yeah. wett— been violently sick. see yeah. well, seasickness,_ been violently sick. see yeah. well, seasickness, of course, is not much use of the crew because if someone's sick, they're out of action. they're one person towt. — of action. they're one person towt. vett— of action. they're one person tom tom .— of action. they're one person down. yeah . and- of action. they're one person down. yeah . and i- of action. they're one person down. yeah . and i mean i'm down. yeah. and i mean i'm presume this is causing great division within the community in hastings. well i think it is coucttg— hastings. well i think it is coucmg greet— “r3s well i think it is causing great upset, “3s well i think it is causing great upset, but it has teet. — causing great upset, but it has teet. ttey— causing great upset, but it has been. they have— causing great upset, but it has been. they have been silenced. ttece. — been. they have been silenced. ttece. r— been. they have been silenced. ttece. r mow,— been. they have been silenced. these. i know, but— been. they have been silenced. these. i know, but there tomtttec— these. i know, but there families are— these. i know, but there families are as well.

families are upset as well. etwtoucty— families are upset as well. obviously yeah.- families are upset as well. obviously yeah. it trickles rtgtt— obviously yeah. it trickles right through— obviously yeah. it trickles right through the community. wotty— right through the community. wotty att— right through the community. wotty atu wty— right through the community. motty and why would - right through the community. motty and why would the rnli be a volunteer organisation when they've got some obviously the head office in poole and there are paid engineers around the country, but basically volunteers. the hell are volunteers. why the hell are stonewall involved with them ? stonewall involved with them? well, the rnli say stonewall . et— well, the rnli say stonewall came . on board— well, the rnli say stonewall came . on board in 2017 june and came. on board in 2017 june and ttey— came. on board in 2017 june and ttey towe— came. on board in 2017 june and ttey towe got— came. on board in 2017 june and they have got stonewall. they're a they have got stonewall. they're ostotewott— they have got stonewall. they're a stonewall champion , and a stonewall champion, and ttey-we— a stonewall champion, and ttey-we crump— a stonewall champion, and they've stamp it very proudly on ttetr— they've stamp it very proudly on their website— they've stamp it very proudly on their website .— they've stamp it very proudly on their website . i— they've stamp it very proudly on their website . i don't think their website. i don't think r— their website. i don't think r wto— their website. i don't think even i who have looked at the tttt — even i who have looked at the tttt or— even i who have looked at the tttt or you— even i who have looked at the tttt or you may— even i who have looked at the rnli or you may have known that stotewott— rnli or you may have known that stonewall has— rnli or you may have known that stonewall has been— rnli or you may have known that stonewall has been involved for twe— stonewall has been involved for ttwe ye — stonewall has been involved for ttwe ye we.— stonewall has been involved for five years. no, i've— stonewall has been involved for five years. \rrt.r ,. five years. no, i've seen the lifeboat stations flying pride flags and thought, what on earth has that got to do with the lifeboat institute? but if stonewall had been there, that explains some of the rot. so i think they're deeply- explains some of the rot. so i think they're deeply into- so i think they're deeply into diving wotty— think they're deeply into diving wotty ott— think they're deeply into diving motty and include an unbelievable and those kinds of oottctec— unbelievable and those kinds of policies extraordinary. so rotated— policies extraordinary. so related subject. - policies extraordinary. so related subject. interesting

that the dungeness lifeboat , that the dungeness lifeboat, which had been very active, picking up migrant crews over the last few years, three years, mostly. and we get those photographs of long lines of men walking up the shingle beach or over the sand onto the beach at dungeness . interesting to note dungeness. interesting to note that dungeness has hardly brought any migrants in in the last couple of months. indeed the other day the dungeness lifeboat had picked up some migrants from a dinghy, and then those migrants transferred those migrants were transferred onto a border force vessel . and onto a border force vessel. and that in dover itself , aslef, that in dover itself, aslef, where and some people made a blooming nuisance of themselves , but professional photographers , people taking film were able to see the boats coming in. they've now been forced out effectively of dover harbour. as i say, dungeness , they're trying i say, dungeness, they're trying to stop any landings happening at all. and when i was out monday week back filming, they put a one mile exclusion zone area around where a dinghy was with a life with a border force vessel coming to say if we went

within a mile of it, we'd endanger lives because this was a search and rescue area . are a search and rescue area. are the government is somebody somewhere trying to close this story down? yes, they definitely are. story down? yes, they definitely ttey— story down? yes, they definitely ttey tot-t— story down? yes, they definitely are. they don't want— srtrg :7 yes, they definitely are. they don't want pictures of mtgrottc— are. they don't want pictures of migrants coming— are. they don't want pictures of migrants coming in dover on the trott— migrants coming in dover on the trott gogec— migrants coming in dover on the trott gogec .— migrants coming in dover on the trott gogec . att— migrants coming in dover on the front pages . and they've been front pages. and they've been very— front pages. and they've been very effective _ front pages. and they've been very effective at— front pages. and they've been very effective at doing this over probably— very effective at doing this over probably six months now . over probably six months now. t hey— over probably six months now. ttey tot-t— over probably six months now. they don't want— over probably six months now. they don't want the public to mow— they don't want the public to mow tte — they don't want the public to know the numbers. they don't wett— know the numbers. they don't want ttey— know the numbers. they don't want ttey ott— know the numbers. they don't want they and i,— know the numbers. they don't want they and i, i— know the numbers. they don't want they and i, i really do ttttt— want they and i, i really do ttttt tt-c— want they and i, i really do ttttt tt-c o— want they and i, i really do think it's a freedom of speech rccue— think it's a freedom of speech ttet— think it's a freedom of speech issue that bleach— think it's a freedom of speech issue that bleach should take extremety— issue that bleach should take extremely seriously . r:rtr extremely seriously. so do i. so you— extremely seriously. so do i. so you react— extremely seriously. so do i. so you read keep up the great work. thank you for the hastings story, even though i find it pretty repugnant. now i was at lords today. of course i was the opening day of the second ashes test and within a few minutes some idiots from just stop oil ran onto the pitch and i got a bit i was. i was scream saying, please, somebody rugby tackle them please somebody stop them because they had their orange powder with them. well i'm pleased to say the england wicket bairstow was

wicket keeper jonny bairstow was the hero of the day. here he is in action. we've had a protest here. jonny bairstow has just trogget— here. jonny bairstow has just trogget ote— here. jonny bairstow has just trogget ot— “rt;”rt; jonny bairstow has just dragged one of the protesters ott. — dragged one of the protesters ott. rm— dragged one of the protesters ott. rm gottg— dragged one of the protesters off. i'm going to— dragged one of the protesters off. i'm going to have a delay. rt-c— off. i'm going to have a delay. rt-c gottg— off. i'm going to have a delay. rt-c gottg to— off. i'm going to have a delay. rt-c gottg to te— off. i'm going to have a delay. it's going to be really careful in it's going to be really careful tt co— it's going to be really careful tt co moty— it's going to be really careful in so many ways.— it's going to be really careful in so many ways. jonny bairstow woct-t— in so many ways. jonny bairstow woct-t tte— in so many ways. jonny bairstow woct-t tte terry— in so many ways. jonny bairstow wasn't it? terry alderman when someone invaded— wasn't it? terry alderman when someone invaded the pitch? terry attermot— someone invaded the pitch? terry attermot ttt— someone invaded the pitch? terry alderman did his— someone invaded the pitch? terry alderman did his shoulder in and totrctow— alderman did his shoulder in and totrctow r-uct— alderman did his shoulder in and bairstow just waving to the treccttg— bairstow just waving to the dressing room.— bairstow just waving to the dressing room. maybe it's his geot— dressing room. maybe it's his gear .— gean proper staff. well done, jonny bairstow for that bloke bairstow for getting that bloke away. he was about to dump that orange stuff on the pitch. it could have destroyed the whole test match. although australia are having a fairly good at are having a fairly good go at the at destroying our the moment at destroying our chances. extraordinary report

chances. an extraordinary report talking about what the farage moment report out moment extraordinary report out on reuters today that says president joe biden and every living former us president except donald j. trump are direct descendants of kyiv slaveholders. jemmy carter, george bush, bill clinton . george bush, bill clinton. barack obama. sleepy joe, all have links to the slave trade. only the donald is clean on this one. now in a moment, we're going to talk about the very sad case of the murder 15 years ago of ben kinsella . and 15 years of ben kinsella. and 15 years on, we ask , why are things still on, we ask, why are things still progressively getting worse

all knife crimes , attacks and all knife crimes, attacks and murders are genuinely horrific. some seem to get a lot more pubuchy some seem to get a lot more publicity than others. the stephen lawrence case is something we still hear about

repeatedly and still makes the front pages. one in case that doesn't get quite as much coverage, though, is equally repugnant in every way. is the murder of ben murder 15 years ago of ben kinsella, a kid who was murdered by three black thugs . but in his by three black thugs. but in his honounin by three black thugs. but in his honour, in his memory , we do honour, in his memory, we do have the ben kyiv suella trust, and they're doing their best. and patrick green is the ceo of that trust, and he joins me now in the studio . patrick, just in the studio. patrick, just looking at the basic stats , you looking at the basic stats, you know, and we have to be always, always careful of stats, but the latest figures from the ons office of national statistics saying that in the year ending march 22nd, which is the last yean march 22nd, which is the last year, we have proper figures for that, you know, knife attacks or or people, you know, something involving a sharp knife or an instrument . they were 9% higher instrument. they were 9% higher than in 2021. but here's the real number, 34% higher than they were in 2010, 2011. now, i

know you are doing absolutely your best in honour of ben kinsella and all the other victims of knife crime to raise awareness of the issue to try and get a change in social behaviour . and get a change in social behaviour. but it's not happening, is it? no. you know, the happening, is it? no. you know, tte ttgurec— happening, is it? no. you know, the figures speak— happening, is it? no. you know, the figures speak for— “3 c7 no. you know, the figures speak for themselves wttt— the figures speak for themselves wttt tttte— the figures speak for themselves with knife crime.— the figures speak for themselves with knife crime. it's 15 years cce— with knife crime. it's 15 years since we lost— with knife crime. it's 15 years since we lost ben. it's been 15 yeorc— since we lost ben. it's been 15 yeorc ot— since we lost ben. it's been 15 years of heartache. but you can cert— years of heartache. but you can cett o— years of heartache. but you can cett o tomtty— years of heartache. but you can sell a family. there has been coutttecc— sell a family. there has been countless other— sell a family. there has been countless other families who've tot— countless other families who've tot to— countless other families who've tot to go— countless other families who've had to go through— countless other families who've had to go through this terrible trum— had to go through this terrible trauma since,— had to go through this terrible trauma since, and it's 15 years of trauma since, and it's 15 years ot to— trauma since, and it's 15 years ot to ctotge. — trauma since, and it's 15 years of no change. and, you know, i'm tootttg— of no change. and, you know, i'm looking forward— of no change. and, you know, i'm looking forward and— of no change. and, you know, i'm looking forward and i'm thinking i looking forward and i'm thinking r cot-t— looking forward and i'm thinking r cot-t cee— looking forward and i'm thinking r cot-t ety— looking forward and i'm thinking i can't see any significant tttteretce— i can't see any significant difference going forward to what we've gone through. and it's you mow.— we've gone through. and it's you know tt-c— we've gone through. and it's you know rm to— we've gone through. and it's you know, it's 15 years— we've gone through. and it's you know, it's 15 years ago tonight ttet— know, it's 15 years ago tonight ttot tet— know, it's 15 years ago tonight that ben lost— know, it's 15 years ago tonight that ben lost his— know, it's 15 years ago tonight that ben lost his life. and i'm tttttttg— that ben lost his life. and i'm thinking there— that ben lost his life. and i'm thinking there are going to be otter— thinking there are going to be other families— thinking there are going to be other families who are going to go ttrougt— other families who are going to go ttrougt tte— other families who are going to go through the same thing. and ttet— go through the same thing. and ttot tc— go through the same thing. and ttot tc r-uct— go through the same thing. and that is just has— go through the same thing. and that is just has to— go through the same thing. and that is just has to stop. and comettttg— that is just has to stop. and something has— that is just has to stop. and something has to give. r:rtr something has to give. what do you say— something has to give. what do you cry tttt. — something has to give. what do you say that. but it's actually getting worse. and, you know, the stats, you say, the sheer stats, as you say, tell that it's actually tell us that it's actually getting but there's getting worse. but there's

something going on. something culturally going on. patrick that worries me. so i spoke to a of young kids spoke to a group of young kids on street a couple years on a street a couple of years ago about this about knives ago about this and about knives . and their argument to me was , . and their argument to me was, well, actually it's better that well, actually it's better that we do carry knives because the other blokes in the other gang, as it were , they're probably as it were, they're probably going to have knives. so we're carrying knives not as offensive weapons, but effectively as defensive weapons , guns. that defensive weapons, guns. that culture certainly through the sort of drugs, gangs, etc. for in london, nottingham, birmingham, all the big cities that's now so deep rooted isn't it? it is. and it's a really good— it? it is. and it's a really good gottt— it? it is. and it's a really good point you- 7 it is. and it's a really good point you make because in the good point you make because in tte rt— good point you make because in tte rt yeorc— good point you make because in the 15 years that— good point you make because in the 15 years that we've been ruttttg— the 15 years that we've been ruttttg tte— the 15 years that we've been running the bank of trust, etucotttg— running the bank of trust, educating young people away from tttte— educating young people away from tttte cme— educating young people away from tttte .— educating young people away from tttte . r— educating young people away from knife crime , i would amazed knife crime, i would i'm amazed ttet— knife crime, i would i'm amazed mot-tte— knife crime, i would i'm amazed ttot-tte youtg— knife crime, i would i'm amazed that the young people's that that the young people's tttttttg— that that the young people's thinking about— that that the young people's thinking about knives that a tttte— thinking about knives that a tttte wttt— thinking about knives that a knife will protect them a knife , you— knife will protect them a knife . you mow.— knife will protect them a knife . you know you— knife will protect them a knife , you know, you know an knife. they— , you know, you know an knife. ttey ctt— , you know, you know an knife. ttey curry— , you know, you know an knife. ttey curry t— , you know, you know an knife. they can carry a knife- , you know, you know an knife. they can carry a knife and- they can carry a knife and they'll be safe. we all know that's a myth. it's an absolute

myth. it puts you in greater danger. myth. it puts you in greater danger . yeah, that myth is danger. yeah, but that myth is growing. yes yes. and social media plays a massive part in helping us grow because us through social media, they're seeing feeds on the social media feed which show these knives being used. they show the gotgcter— being used. they show the gangster lifestyle- “3 u: they show the gangster lifestyle of people corrymg— gangster lifestyle of people carrying knives— gangster lifestyle of people carrying knives and this is then perpetuate— carrying knives and this is then perpetuate through peers. and ttere— perpetuate through peers. and ttere tct-t— perpetuate through peers. and ttere cm a— perpetuate through peers. and there isn't a strong counter—narrative, which is there isn't a strong— counter—narrative, which is what we to — counter—narrative, which is what we to t— counter—narrative, which is what we do in education— counter—narrative, which is what we do in education to help young geotte— we do in education to help young people understand— we do in education to help young people understand this is all rutttct— people understand this is all rutttct. rt— people understand this is all rubbish. if you— people understand this is all rubbish. if you carry a knife, you-re— rubbish. if you carry a knife, youre guttmg— rubbish. if you carry a knife, you're putting yourself in greater— you're putting yourself in greater danger. and this is one of greater danger. and this is one ot—ctottetgec- of the biggest challenges we face — of the biggest challenges we face .tt— of the biggest challenges we face. .it pains— of the biggest challenges we face. .it pains me- of the biggest challenges we face. it pains me to say face. and it pains me to say ttet— face. and it pains me to say ttot tte— face. and it pains me to say that the online— face. and it pains me to say that the online harms bill, wttct— that the online harms bill, wttct tec— that the online harms bill, which has been— that the online harms bill, which has been inching its way ttougt— which has been inching its way through parliament for years , through parliament for years, ctttt— through parliament for years, ctttt to— through parliament for years, ctttt to cm— through parliament for years, still no sign of— through parliament for years, still no sign of it— through parliament for years, still no sign of it coming out tte— still no sign of it coming out tte otter— still no sign of it coming out the other end. _ still no sign of it coming out the other end. t.3rt;t«r the other end. hugely important in tackling rogue behaviour from social media companies, you know, and you know, and while response to knife crime is often too slow, once it goes through parliament, you know, in any number of laws it gets it is i wish i believe that. but i've seen on tiktok,_

wish i believe that. but i've seen on tiktok, you- but i've seen on tiktok, you know, crtmttot— seen on tiktok, you know, criminal activity related to the gangs— criminal activity related to the gangs trafficking, people taking money— gangs trafficking, people taking motey—teoote- gangs trafficking, people taking money people over money and sending people over the money and sending people over tte-meme.— money and sending people over the-channel. and- money and sending people over the channel. and however the english channel. and however muct—getc- the english channel. and however much—gets closed| much a tiktok advert gets closed down— much a tiktok advert gets closed down-albanian— much a tiktok advert gets closed down albanian gang, down for an albanian gang, ototter— down for an albanian gang, ototter ote— down for an albanian gang, another one appears. i'm not another one appears. so i'm not cure-otttte— another one appears. so i'm not sure-online harms- sure the online harms bill ttcett— sure the online harms bill ttcettlgottg— sure the online harms bill itself going solve all of itself is going to solve all of wt— itself is going to solve all of this problem.— itself is going to solve all of this problem. what should what ctoutt— this problem. what should what ctoutt tte— this problem. what should what should the police— this problem. what should what should the police be doing? are we ot— should the police be doing? are we at o— should the police be doing? are we at o tott— should the police be doing? are we at a point where we need to towe— we at a point where we need to towe ttg— we at a point where we need to towe ttg metat— we at a point where we need to have big metal detectors as we wett— have big metal detectors as we wttt otto— have big metal detectors as we wttt otto o— have big metal detectors as we walk onto a bus— have big metal detectors as we walk onto a bus or— have big metal detectors as we walk onto a bus or off the tube ctottot— walk onto a bus or off the tube ctottot e— walk onto a bus or off the tube ctottot e r— walk onto a bus or off the tube station ? i mean,— walk onto a bus or off the tube station ? i mean, is— walk onto a bus or off the tube station ? i mean, is that the station? i mean, is that the ttto— station? i mean, is that the tttt ot— station? i mean, is that the kind of place— station? i mean, is that the kind of place we- station? i mean, is that the kind of place we need to go to get— kind of place we need to go to get tttwec— kind of place we need to go to get knives off— kind of place we need to go to get knives off the— kind of place we need to go to get knives off the street? \rrtr get knives off the street? no, i woutt— get knives off the street? no, i woutu go— get knives off the street? no, i woutu go tte— get knives off the street? no, i would go the other— get knives off the street? no, i would go the other way. we have got to do far more to early intervention and prevention to stop knife crime. too often we're dealing with the aftermath. of course , the police aftermath. of course, the police need be properly resourced in need to be properly resourced in terms tackling this. one of terms of tackling this. one of the we made in the the big mistakes we made in the last ten years is lose 20,000 police officers. that was crazy. another mistake made another big mistake we've made in years is take in the last ten years is take money of away from youth money out of away from youth clubs, clubs, close clubs, close youth clubs, close all activities that all the positive activities that young can can go to close young people can can go to close those close down youth those down, close down youth

clubs clubs. clubs close down youth clubs. take police numbers. you're take away police numbers. you're creating environment which is creating an environment which is perfect gangs with or perfect for gangs with or without , come with or without without, come on with or without a club. people can play a youth club. people can play ctort. — a youth club. people can play cgort. ttey— a youth club. people can play cgort. ttey ct— a youth club. people can play sport. they can go— a youth club. people can play sport. they can go to- rt people can play sport. they can go to the gym. u...— sport. they can go to the gym. um.-o— sport. they can go to the gym. um-o-vou- sport. they can go to the gym. um,-a-you know,l um, there's a lot. you know, i r-uct— um, there's a lot. you know, i ruct tot-t— um, there's a lot. you know, i ruct tot-t rm— um, there's a lot. you know, i just don't i'm not— um, there's a lot. you know, i just don't i'm not sure i buy ttet— just don't i'm not sure i buy that argument,— just don't i'm not sure i buy that argument, but it may be cottrttute— that argument, but it may be contribute free,— that argument, but it may be contribute free, but i don't buy tt. — contribute free, but i don't buy t. tt— contribute free, but i don't buy tt. rt tc— contribute free, but i don't buy it. it is contributory- contribute free, but i don't buy it. it is contributory because if the positive if the more positive interactions you have with positive people helps you make better choices, gangs thrive . better choices, gangs thrive. kyiv when you take away all those safeguards, you take away positive influences around young people . you leave them on the people. you leave them on the internet where they're getting a lot of negative content. you take away police numbers, you you, you lower the chance of law enforcement working. who is this benefiting? it's benefiting gangs. and they're very quick to exploit. yeah. and of course , at exploit. yeah. and of course, at the exploit. yeah. and of course, at tte-ot— exploit. yeah. and of course, at tte-or tte— exploit. yeah. and of course, at tte-or tte gotg- c yeah. and of course, at the of the gang problem is the heart of the gang problem is the heart of the gang problem is tte—vet.- the heart of the gang problem is tte—vet. rt- the heart of the gang problem isi the _yes. it drives the drug problem. yes. it drives it, the drug problem. yes. it drives t. to— the drug problem. yes. it drives it, no question that that is a big factor . it, no question that that is a big factor. and, you it, no question that that is a big factor . and, you know, it it, no question that that is a big factor. and, you know, it is driving knife crime. yeah drugs, big money, knife crime, danger ,

big money, knife crime, danger, death, all of those things . death, all of those things. whether a change in drug policy woutt— whether a change in drug policy woutt ctotge— whether a change in drug policy would change the— whether a change in drug policy would change the gangs or not, i tot-t— would change the gangs or not, i tot-t ttow. — would change the gangs or not, i tot-t ttow. r— would change the gangs or not, i don't know. i suspect it woutttt— don't know. i suspect it wouldn't. they'd find some other crtmttot— wouldn't. they'd find some other criminal activity. _ wouldn't. they'd find some other criminal activity. "car wouldn't. they'd find some other criminal activity. "cg ct criminal activity. they will move on. yes they would move on and something else is what and do something else is what i is what i do very deeply suspect . we've got a general election comttg— . we've got a general election comttg up— . we've got a general election comttg up text— we've got a general election coming up next year. is knife cme— coming up next year. is knife pottcy— coming up next year. is knife crime policy be— coming up next year. is knife crime policy be something the torttec— crime policy be something the porttec tott— crime policy be something the parties talk about much? �*vw�*rt;tt parties talk about much? well, cttrtmg— parties talk about much? well, we're starting to— parties talk about much? well, we're starting to see— parties talk about much? well, we're starting to see that we've seen the labour party talk about reducing knife crime by 50. should they commit to power. how i don't know the substantive detail of that, but what i would say , nigel, in terms of say, nigel, in terms of politics, polish petitions have failed us in terms of knife crime. all the political parties . it's 15 years since ben died. we've had a labour government, we've had a liberal democrat, conservative lviv coalition. we've 4 or 5 conservative we've had 4 or 5 conservative administrations. none of them have tackled this properly . so have tackled this properly. so my challenge to politicians is this is not a party political issue. they should come together

to tackle this issue and agree a policies and funding that sustains over a generation , ten sustains over a generation, ten years, both in terms of tackling this through law enforcement and preserving police numbers and resources, but also tackling through early intervention and supporting youth work. those positive interventions that are so important to this issue. patrick green, ceo of the bank ott— patrick green, ceo of the bank ott suetto— patrick green, ceo of the bank and suella trust.— patrick green, ceo of the bank and suella trust. on this 15th otttwercory— and suella trust. on this 15th anniversary of— and suella trust. on this 15th anniversary of ben's horrendous teem.— anniversary of ben's horrendous teott. ttgtt— anniversary of ben's horrendous death, thank you— anniversary of ben's horrendous death, thank you for coming in. storttg— death, thank you for coming in. stormg your— death, thank you for coming in. sharing your thoughts, and i can see sharing your thoughts, and i can your— sharing your thoughts, and i can see your passion— sharing your thoughts, and i can see your passion genuine passion for see your passion genuine passion tor tttc— see your passion genuine passion tor tttc very— see your passion genuine passion for this very important subject. we-we— for this very important subject. we-we got— for this very important subject. we-we got ttme— for this very important subject. we've got time for a quick torroge. — we've got time for a quick torruge. tte— we've got time for a quick barrage. the farage it comes trom— barrage. the farage it comes from somebody— barrage. the farage it comes from somebody called sandra from tomctey— from somebody called sandra from tomctey . — from somebody called sandra from tomctey. tr.— from somebody called sandra from barnsley. hi, nigel.— from somebody called sandra from barnsley. \r 3rt;t from somebody called sandra from barnsley . \r 3rt;t : barnsley. hi, nigel. i'm sandra . i've got a quick question for you for you today. what do you think to the situation for landlords in the private rental sector, as in the being driven out of the market through high interest rates on the mortgages? all the legislation that's

coming in? sandra i think it's a comttete— coming in? sandra i think it's a comotete ott— coming in? sandra i think it's a complete and utter— rt.rt.rt“ “3 “7 sandra i think it's a complete and utter disaster for, you— complete and utter disaster for, you mow.— complete and utter disaster for, you know tte— complete and utter disaster for, you know, the fact— complete and utter disaster for, you know, the fact is a lot of peotte— you know, the fact is a lot of peopte towe— you know, the fact is a lot of peopte towe to— you know, the fact is a lot of people have to rent more people towe— people have to rent more people towe to— people have to rent more people towe to rent— people have to rent more people have to rent now— people have to rent more people have to rent now than did a few yeorc— have to rent now than did a few yeorc ego— have to rent now than did a few years ago because— have to rent now than did a few years ago because basically toucttg— years ago because basically toucttg tec— years ago because basically housing has become so completely utottortotte— housing has become so completely unaffordable for— housing has become so completely unaffordable for most people. you— unaffordable for most people. you mow.— unaffordable for most people. you know, when— unaffordable for most people. you know, when i— unaffordable for most people. you know, when i first got a mortgage— you know, when i first got a mortgage us— you know, when i first got a mortgage us .— you know, when i first got a mortgage us , interest rates were mortgage us, interest rates were ttgtet— mortgage us, interest rates were ttgter. tut— mortgage us, interest rates were ttgter. tut tte— mortgage us, interest rates were higher. but the cost of a house pertutc— higher. but the cost of a house was perhaps three— higher. but the cost of a house was perhaps three and a half, tour— was perhaps three and a half, tour ott— was perhaps three and a half, tour ott o— was perhaps three and a half, four and a half— was perhaps three and a half, four and a half times. what an ottuot— four and a half times. what an annual average— four and a half times. what an annual average salary would be. it's annual average salary would be. rt-c ow— annual average salary would be. rt-c c— annual average salary would be. rt-c c to— annual average salary would be. rt-c c to a— annual average salary would be. it's now 8 to 9 times. so people towe— it's now 8 to 9 times. so people towe to— it's now 8 to 9 times. so people towe to go— it's now 8 to 9 times. so people towe to go ttto— it's now 8 to 9 times. so people have to go into that— it's now 8 to 9 times. so people have to go into that rental cector— have to go into that rental cector .— have to go into that rental cector . att— have to go into that rental sector . and everything this sector. and everything this government— sector. and everything this government has done , starting government has done, starting wttt— government has done, starting wttt ceorge— government has done, starting with george osborne has made it tecc— with george osborne has made it less attractive _ with george osborne has made it less attractive for— with george osborne has made it less attractive for people to property— less attractive for people to property to— less attractive for people to own property to and let out, and ttuc— own property to and let out, and ttuc moty— own property to and let out, and ttuc muty peopte— own property to and let out, and thus many people are withdrawing trom— thus many people are withdrawing trom tte— thus many people are withdrawing from the market.— thus many people are withdrawing from the market. the maddest ttttg— from the market. the maddest ttttg ot— from the market. the maddest ttttg ot ott— from the market. the maddest thing of all is— from the market. the maddest thing of all is if— from the market. the maddest thing of all is if you borrow money— thing of all is if you borrow money ott— thing of all is if you borrow money mt tuy— thing of all is if you borrow money and buy a house and let it out,— money and buy a house and let it out. you— money and buy a house and let it out. you ow— money and buy a house and let it out, you now can't— money and buy a house and let it out, you now can't offset the mortgage— out, you now can't offset the mortgage interest against the incomes . rather— mortgage interest against the incomes . rather like asking incomes. rather like asking a matt— incomes. rather like asking a small limited— incomes. rather like asking a small limited company to pay corporottot— small limited company to pay corporation tax— small limited company to pay corporation tax on its gross and not corporation tax on its gross and tot ttc— corporation tax on its gross and tot ttc tet— corporation tax on its gross and not its net figures,— corporation tax on its gross and not its net figures, it is comptetety—

not its net figures, it is completely and utterly crackers. i completely and utterly crackers. r tot-t— completely and utterly crackers. r tot-t mow— completely and utterly crackers. i don't know what— completely and utterly crackers. i don't know what michael gove is i don't know what michael gove tc ot— i don't know what michael gove tc tut— i don't know what michael gove tc tut te— i don't know what michael gove is on, but he needs— i don't know what michael gove is on, but he needs to rethink pottcy— is on, but he needs to rethink pottcy tt— is on, but he needs to rethink pottcy m tttc— is on, but he needs to rethink policy in this area— is on, but he needs to rethink policy in this area . jacob, policy in this area. jacob, i ttttt— policy in this area. jacob, i ttttt you— policy in this area. jacob, i think you agree— policy in this area. jacob, i think you agree with me on that vet. r— think you agree with me on that one. yes, i mean,— think you agree with me on that one. yes, i mean, i— think you agree with me on that one. “4.35 t“ think you agree with me on that one. /rts. “ one. yes, i mean, i think the rental act that's being brought forward, rental bill, is crazy and will limit the rental market, will push landlords out of it and will push rents up. what margaret thatcher's reforms in the 1980s really opened up the private rented sector to the benefit of everybody, to landlords and tenants alike. it produced lots of supply. it kept pnces produced lots of supply. it kept prices under control. but the key part of it was that landlords were confident they could get their property back. and if you take that away, then you will find you don't have landlords. most landlords landlords. but most landlords want good long term tenants . so want good long term tenants. so it all worked. and this reform, i think, is it's very, very bad. now, you and i were within a few teet— now, you and i were within a few teetleoct— now, you and i were within a few feet-each other— now, you and i were within a few feet-each other at— now, you and i were within a few feet each other at lords feet of each other at lords totoy. — feet of each other at lords totoy. twe— feet of each other at lords today. i've just— feet of each other at lords today. i've just praised jonny totrctow— today. i've just praised jonny bairstow for— today. i've just praised jonny bairstow for getting rid of that protecter— bairstow for getting rid of thati protester—terms. protester in no uncertain terms. wtot— protester in no uncertain terms. wtot towe— protester in no uncertain terms. wtot towe you— protester in no uncertain terms. what have you got— protester in no uncertain terms. what have you got coming up tottgtt— what have you got coming up tottgtt ot— what have you got coming up tonight on the— what have you got coming up tonight on the show? �*vw�*rt .tttrt

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wednesday, it's going to be southern and eastern areas . that southern and eastern areas. that starts with on thursday. starts off with it on thursday. so this cold front so all due to this cold front that slowly sinking its way that is slowly sinking its way south the south eastwards across the country. overnight country. during the overnight period. england and period. so parts of england and wales starting to outbreaks wales starting to see outbreaks of some of those could be of rain. some of those could be heavy across parts of lincolnshire into east lincolnshire and down into east anglia into the late anglia as we head into the late evening and the early hours of thursday morning. further to the west north, starting see west and north, starting to see some clearer some drier and clearer intervals, developing a scattering of showers across western areas of scotland, but many staying dry. it's here in the west where we'll see the fresher temperatures overnight around 12 c. but in the around ten, 12 c. but in the south—east holding up around 17, 18 degrees a few spots . so 18 degrees in a few spots. so quite humid and muggy night to come here. that rain slowly clearing its way off could take into the afternoon before it properly clears off parts of southeast kent and essex. but elsewhere, it will turn into a day sunshine and showers day of sunshine and showers parts eastern scotland down parts of eastern scotland down into england see into eastern england could see some in there with some heavy showers in there with some heavy showers in there with some thunderstorms the some thunderstorms in the mixture . but where see the mixture. but where you see the sunshine relatively sunshine being relatively pleasant, highs around 20 to

22 c. that clear spells mean that we'll have some late evening sunshine as well into thursday evening. in most places should dry. still some should stay dry. still some showers filtering their way across the highlands into the northern isles. again be northern isles. again could be quite places and then quite heavy in places and then into early hours of friday, into the early hours of friday, we as this band we start watching as this band of to slowly push of rain is going to slowly push its in from the west, skies its way in from the west, skies turning grey across northern ireland, southwest ireland, wales, southwest england some heavy england and then some heavy outbreaks possible outbreaks of rain possible across western scotland as we head the as well. head throughout the day as well. generally, eastern, southern eastern areas staying but eastern areas staying drier, but relatively cloudy, low pressure is staying us into the is staying with us into the weekend well. and weekend as well. and those isobars squeezing together isobars are squeezing together as well. so the weekend could turn a breezy one. turn into quite a breezy one. brisk wind in places, further showers or longer spells of rain as well. otherwise enjoy the rest of your evening. bye bye .