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nave— the latest finances for the king nave teen— the latest finances for the king have been released, revealing the have been released, revealing tne nenaneny— have been released, revealing the monarchy facing the same the monarchy is facing the same tnttatten— the monarchy is facing the same tnttatten-as— the monarchy is facing the same inflation - as the _ the monarchy is facing the same inflation as the rest of inflation pains as the rest of us inflation pains as the rest of as tntnt. — inflation pains as the rest of us think. he's— inflation pains as the rest of us think. he's got- inflation pains as the rest of us think. ti; gtzzt c inflation pains as the rest of us think. gt t inflation pains as the rest of us think. tt; gttt t :�* us think. he's got a bit more in the bank. the rest of us actually. we'll have the latest figures king's finances figures on the king's finances right . here right. here yeah, the right. here- . yeah, the idea nant. nee— - yeah, the idea that nant. tene— - yeah, the idea that the king right. here yeah, the idea that the king is right. here yeah, the ide.inflatione king is suffering the same inflation pressures as all— suffering the same inflation pressures as all of us. \tttt pressures as all of us. not nutte— pressures as all of us. not quite sleepless nights, tossing and turning. am i going to and turning. how am i going to pay and turning. how am i going to pay those bills? now.7 and turning. how am i going to pay those bills? now? let us knew— pay those bills? now? let us know year— pay those bills? now? let us know your thoughts- 7 now? let us know your thoughts this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com is email vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address.— vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address—tast- address. as always. but first of an,— address. as always. but first of att-yeat— address. as always. but first of att-wew news- all, here are your news headlines— all, here are your news headlines with rhiannon jones . headlines with rhiannon jones. neat— headlines with rhiannon jones. east morning-— headlines with rhiannon jones. good morning. it's— headlines with rhiannon jones. good morning. it's coming- headlines with rhiannon jones. good morning. it's coming up to 932. your top stories from the newsroom . asylum seekers newsroom. asylum seekers appealing home office plans to send them to rwanda will hear the outcome in court today. send them to rwanda will hear the outcome in court today . the the outcome in court today. the high court dismissed initial objections , but individual objections, but individual asylum seekers and asylum aid have been allowed to challenge

the decision. the proposed illegal migration bill gives the government powers to detain and deport illegal migrants. it aims to fulfil the prime minister's pledge to stop small boats . the pledge to stop small boats. the privileges committee has criticised boris johnson's allies, saying they took it upon themselves to undermine procedures of the house of commons by criticising its inquiry. they include nadine dorries, sir jacob rees—mogg inquiry. they include nadine dorries, sirjacob rees—mogg and priti patel. it's after the former prime minister was found to have repeatedly misled parliament over covid breaches in number 10. the us coastguard says presumed human remains have been recovered from the wreckage of the titan submersible. it comes after debris from the craft was brought to saint john's harbour in newfoundland yesterday, where it was seen being unloaded by a crane . a being unloaded by a crane. a former analysis of the remains, a formal analysis of the remains will be conducted by medical professionals. investigators say the evidence will be provided ,

the evidence will be provided, will provide critical insight , will provide critical insight, light into the cause of the tragedy and households are being advised to submit metre readings to their energy supplier before saturday. it's a head of ofgem's lowered price cap following falling wholesale prices , which falling wholesale prices, which comes into effect on july 1st. the average household energy bill will fall by £426 a year from next month . and you can get from next month. and you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news dot com. now it's back to andrew and . and.bev well, and. bev. l well, the and. bev- . well, the court ant. new— . well, the court of appeal and. bev well, the court of appeal is set to - well, the court of appeal is set te-en— . well, the court of appeal is set to-on whether- - well, the court of appeal is set to-on whether the - set to rule on whether the government's— set to rule on whether the government's plan deport government's plan to deport tttegat— government's plan to deport illegal—lawful. l illegal migrants is lawful. buti we're—any moment we're expecting it any moment sa— we're expecting it any moment so joining— we're expecting it any moment now. so joining us- we're expecting it any moment now. so joining us for- we're expecting it any moment

now. :�* g t»; tit" now. so joining us for more on this and some other big stories today deputy political today is our deputy political edhon today is our deputy political editor, harwood. editor, tom harwood. good morning, explain to morning, tom. just explain to us what significance this what the significance of this legal be today. legal hearing will be today. well, huge moment well, it's a it's a huge moment . et— well, it's a it's a huge moment . ot sense— well, it's a it's a huge moment . of course, the— well, it's a it's a huge moment . of course, the government has teen—tn— . of course, the government has been_in.previousl been successful in its previous attempts— been successful in its previous attempts te— been successful in its previous attempts to sort— been successful in its previous attempts to sort of get this tntne— attempts to sort of get this tntne att— attempts to sort of get this thing off the— attempts to sort of get this thing off the ground , for want thing off the ground, for want of thing off the ground, for want at a— thing off the ground, for want at a better— thing off the ground, for want of a better phrase or perhaps a very— of a better phrase or perhaps a very annase— of a better phrase or perhaps a very annase . — of a better phrase or perhaps a wen pnnase . we— of a better phrase or perhaps a very phrase . �*vw�*tt; t of a better phrase or perhaps a very phrase . t gt very phrase. we want it to get off the ground quick. they wanted to get off- off the ground quick. they wanted to get off the- g t: t:. tan”. they wanted to get off the ground. tne— wanted to get off the ground. the government— wanted to get off the ground. the government has so far passed east— the government has so far passed eaen tegat— the government has so far passed each legal hurdle,— the government has so far passed each legal hurdle, but there nave— each legal hurdle, but there nawe teen— each legal hurdle, but there have been problems along the way,— have been problems along the wan. nantewtann— have been problems along the way, particularly with regards to way, particularly with regards te tnat— way, particularly with regards to that original— way, particularly with regards to that original flight that was sttttng— to that original flight that was sttttng tnene — to that original flight that was sitting there on— to that original flight that was sitting there on the tarmac. teente— sitting there on the tarmac. teente en — sitting there on the tarmac. people on board echr interventions meant that one by tne— interventions meant that one by one, the individuals were picked off one, the individuals were picked ett een— one, the individuals were picked off even though— one, the individuals were picked off even though the plane had the off even though the plane had tne nat— off even though the plane had tne nat tne— off even though the plane had the had the right— off even though the plane had the had the right to fly. what seetne— the had the right to fly. what we're seeing now— the had the right to fly. what we're seeing now is just more ant— we're seeing now is just more ant ne— we're seeing now is just more ant et— we're seeing now is just more and more of that— we're seeing now is just more and more of that sort of steady progress— and more of that sort of steady progress at— and more of that sort of steady progress at tntne— and more of that sort of steady progress of trying to clear all of progress of trying to clear all at tnese— progress of trying to clear all of these legal— progress of trying to clear all of these legal hurdles . batus. of these legal hurdles. batus. ant— of these legal hurdles. batus. ant we— of these legal hurdles. batus. and we should— of these legal hurdles. batus. and we should expect something ant— and we should expect something aunt to— and we should expect something aaunt to an— and we should expect something around 10 am. with regard to tnts— around 10 am. with regard to we neannt— around 10 am. with regard to we neannt. — around 10 am. with regard to this hearing. if— around 10 am. with regard to this hearing . �*" ”tt; gttt g this hearing. if we're going to

talk to lawyers about this, tom, if they succeed, we know there'll be an appeal then by charities and various other groups to the highest court the supreme court can they still put a flag up in the air if they've got to wait for the appeal process to be exhausted? do we know? we don't know. right it teaents— know? we don't know. right it tenents. t— know? we don't know. right it depends, i suppose,— 7 we don't know. right it depends, i suppose, how the depends, i suppose, how bold the gawennnent— depends, i suppose, how bold the government wants— depends, i suppose, how bold the government wants to be. tt.”««t government wants to be. very tatt. — government wants to be. very tatt. ane— government wants to be. very bold. are they?— government wants to be. very bold. are they? i— government wants to be. tt.”««t : are they? i would expect bold. are they? i would expect tnat— bold. are they? i would expect tnat tne— bold. are they? i would expect that the more— : are they? i would expect that the more abiding, that the more rule abiding, tetattstte— that the more rule abiding, tetattstte .— that the more rule abiding, legalistic , not— that the more rule abiding, legalistic , not rule abiding, legalistic, not rule abiding, tut—ta- legalistic, not rule abiding, tut—ta tne| but sort of sticking to the satnt— but sort of sticking to the stat ant— but sort of sticking to the spirit and letter of these spirit and the letter of these tntnts— spirit and the letter of these things government spirit and the letter of these things-government well things the government might well want— things the government might well want-unttt— things the government might well want-until that— things the government might well want until that appeal want to wait until that appeal all want to wait until that appeal att-sa— want to wait until that appeal att-sa tnat- want to wait until that appeal all-so that it- want to wait until that appeal all so that it doesn't all is done. so that it doesn't eanntteate— all is done. so that it doesn't complicate the— all is done. so that it doesn't complicate the process. but i tan-t— complicate the process. but i tan-t tnaw— complicate the process. but i don't know the _ complicate the process. but i don't know the precise answer to tnat— don't know the precise answer to tnat .— don't know the precise answer to tnat. tn— don't know the precise answer to tnat. t-n nat— don't know the precise answer to that. i'm not sure— don't know the precise answer to that . i'm not sure the that. i'm not sure the government- that. i'm not sure the government does huge story about tnanes— government does huge story about tnanes water.— government does huge story about tnaneswaten — government does huge story about thames water. it's— government does huge story about thames water. e t:ttt g : thames water. it's doing my head in. i mean, is this government seriously going to take public expense ? thames water, one of expense? thames water, one of the biggest water suppliers in the biggest water suppliers in the country, into public ownership because they've got £14 billion in debts. when they made £400 million profit last yean made £400 million profit last year, government isn't year, well, the government isn't saying would to saying that it would want to national kyrees this

permanently. there's been some nnnentate.— permanently. there's been some nnnentate. t— permanently. there's been some hyperbole. i think— permanently. there's been some hyperbole. i think ,_ permanently. there's been some hyperbole. i think , in— there's been some hyperbole. i think , in some of hyperbole. i think, in some of tne— hyperbole. i think, in some of tne nepanttnt— hyperbole. i think, in some of the reporting about this. tnen-we— the reporting about this. tnen-we-a- the reporting about this. they've a specific phrase they've used a specific phrase aetuatn— they've used a specific phrase aetuatn ane— they've used a specific phrase actually one that's being tanttet— actually one that's being bandied around is a special administration— bandied around is a special administration regime scheme, a tenaanan— administration regime scheme, a tennanan spectat— administration regime scheme, a temporary special administration nettne— temporary special administration negtne. tnat— temporary special administration negtne. tnat ts— temporary special administration regime. that is one option for wnat— regime. that is one option for wnat nan— regime. that is one option for what may happen to thames water. was— what may happen to thames water. was tasteatn— what may happen to thames water. that's basically temporary nationalisation, although the tawennnent— nationalisation, although the government really doesn't want to government really doesn't want ta san— government really doesn't want ta saw tnat— government really doesn't want to say that word.— government really doesn't want to say that word. and interestingly, even though the gawennnent— interestingly, even though the government seems to be flirting wttn— government seems to be flirting wttn-tne— government seems to be flirting with-the labour— government seems to be flirting with the labour party has with this, the labour party has teen— with this, the labour party has teen santnt— with this, the labour party has teen santnt. na— with this, the labour party has been saying, no, we absolutely snauttn-t— shouldn't nationalise thames water— shouldn't nationalise thames water.— shouldn't nationalise thames water. santnt— shouldn't nationalise thames water , saying that they have to water, saying that they have to put tne — water, saying that they have to put tne snsten— water, saying that they have to put the system right themselves . tnat— put the system right themselves . tnat tne — put the system right themselves , that the government shouldn't tate— , that the government shouldn't take tt— , that the government shouldn't take tt — , that the government shouldn't take tt sa— , that the government shouldn't take it on. so it's— , that the government shouldn't take it on. so it's interesting. tt-s— take it on. so it's interesting. tt-s atnast— take it on. so it's interesting. it's almost as— take it on. so it's interesting. it's almost as if— take it on. so it's interesting. it's almost as if these two tates— it's almost as if these two nantes nave— it's almost as if these two parties have sort of swapped tteas— parties have sort of swapped tteas. tne— parties have sort of swapped tteas. tne tt— parties have sort of swapped ideas. erg it was— parties have sort of swapped ideas. erg it was it keir stamen— ideas. erg it was it keir starmer was— ideas. erg it was it keir starmer was backing taking eannanntes— starmer was backing taking companies like— starmer was backing taking companies like the water back tnta— companies like the water back tnta nutte— companies like the water back into public ownership, one of his into public ownership, one of nts nann— into public ownership, one of his many u—turns. 't: into public ownership, one of his many u—turns . ' t: t his many u—turns. and actually, i think the public would be on his side if he said he was going to rhiannon water industries. well, it's interesting because, of well, it's interesting because, at—sane- well, it's interesting because,| of_some issues of course, there is some issues wttn— of course, there is some issues wttn-stnuet— of course, there is some issues with - struck picture - of course, there is some issues with struck picture of with the struck picture of names— with the struck picture of thames water- with the struck picture of thames water that might not be tawn— thames water that might not be tawnlwna—

thames water that might not be down lwho owns— thames water that might not be down lwho owns it.— thames water that might not be down who owns it. so for down to who owns it. so for exanate— down to who owns it. so for eaanpte. tne— down to who owns it. so for example, the feet has been nepanttnt— example, the feet has been nepanttng ane— example, the feet has been reporting one of— example, the feet has been reporting one of the reasons why this reporting one of the reasons why we neaantet— reporting one of the reasons why this reported 10— reporting one of the reasons why this reported 10 billion in debt nas— this reported 10 billion in debt nas tust— this reported 10 billion in debt has just exploded in the last neat— has just exploded in the last neat aautt— has just exploded in the last year could well— has just exploded in the last year could well be to do with tne— year could well be to do with tne wan— year could well be to do with tne wan tn— year could well be to do with the way in which— year could well be to do with the way in which the income to names— the way in which the income to thames water— the way in which the income to thames water is— the way in which the income to thames water is linked to cpi tnttattan. — thames water is linked to cpi inflation. that's— thames water is linked to cpi inflation. that's the consumer anae— inflation. that's the consumer pnee tntex— inflation. that's the consumer price index with— inflation. that's the consumer price index with housing added . price index with housing added. wneneas— price index with housing added. wneneas tne— price index with housing added. whereas the debt— price index with housing added. whereas the debt is linked to rpi inflation,— whereas the debt is linked to rpi inflation, the retail price tntex— rpi inflation, the retail price tntex .— rpi inflation, the retail price index , which— rpi inflation, the retail price index , which is— rpi inflation, the retail price index , which is running at index, which is running at a nuan— index, which is running at a nuen nttnen— index, which is running at a much higher rate, it's much more ttuetuattnt— much higher rate, it's much more fluctuating and— much higher rate, it's much more fluctuating and is— much higher rate, it's much more fluctuating and is used much tess— fluctuating and is used much tess tnese— fluctuating and is used much less these days.— fluctuating and is used much less these days. but because the tent— less these days. but because the tett ts— less these days. but because the tett ts wttn— less these days. but because the debt is with rpi— less these days. but because the debt is with rpi and the income is debt is with rpi and the income ts wttn— debt is with rpi and the income ts wttn ttt— debt is with rpi and the income ts wttn ctt .— debt is with rpi and the income is with cpi ,that_ debt is with rpi and the income is with cpi , that gap has just is with cpi, that gap has just exploded— is with cpi, that gap has just exploded and— is with cpi, that gap has just exploded and therefore the debt watten — exploded and therefore the debt watten nas— exploded and therefore the debt problem has has— exploded and therefore the debt problem has has got a lot, lot worse. perhaps— problem has has got a lot, lot worse. perhaps it— problem has has got a lot, lot worse. perhaps it was less of an tssue— worse. perhaps it was less of an tn— worse. perhaps it was less of an tn a— worse. perhaps it was less of an tn a taw— worse. perhaps it was less of an issue in a low inflation environment,- issue in a low inflation environment, but in a high tnttattan— environment, but in a high inflation environment that has teen— inflation environment that has teenletean— inflation environment that has teenletean .— inflation environment that has beenlclear , clear- inflation environment that has been clear , clear issue. been a clear, clear issue. tnat-s— been a clear, clear issue. was tust— been a clear, clear issue. that's just little part to that's just one little part to all that's just one little part to at at— that's just one little part to at at tnts. — that's just one little part to all of this. but— that's just one little part to all of this. but it does start to all of this. but it does start ta tettn— all of this. but it does start ta tettn ta— all of this. but it does start to begin to show- all of this. but it does start to begin to show that perhaps tust— to begin to show that perhaps tust wna— to begin to show that perhaps tust wna awns— to begin to show that perhaps just who owns this thing isn't the just who owns this thing isn't tne-anatten— just who owns this thing isn't the problem here. e the real problem here. it's the want— the real problem here. it's the want cantan— the real problem here. it's the worst company for leaks. thames

water, estimated id water, it has estimated id 630,000,000l a day. shocking that leaks from its pipes and yet it's supposed to serve its 15 million customers. it's quite easy when you hear the phrase thames water to think, oh, it's just a few people in london. it's the largest in the united ttnttan. — it's the largest in the united kingdom. that's- it's the largest in the united kingdom. ”g t: kingdom. that's right. and the chief executive, sarah bentley, she stood down, didn't she, with the effect tuesday . the media effect on tuesday. there's though, tom, there's surely, though, tom, this is just about a restructure issue because their income still actually exceeds the costs for this company. but their debt is, as you say, is just increasing so much interest every day that they can't keep on top of the particular debt. sure early in these situations, it's not up to these situations, it's not up to the government to come in and help. it's for the business and the market decide to how the market to decide to how restructure and just restructure it and then just give time. well, this is what give it time. well, this is what tnts— give it time. well, this is what we ts— give it time. well, this is what we ts wn— g e e well, this is what this is why government isn't this is why the government isn't aetuatn—ta- this is why the government isn't actually _to this- this is why the government isn't actually to this sort actually committing to this sort of-nationalisation. actually committing to this sort of nationalisation or of temporary nationalisation or all of temporary nationalisation or attltnese— of temporary nationalisation or all-these things— of temporary nationalisation or all these things that have all of these things that have teen— all of these things that have been discussed.— all of these things that have been discussed. what the tawennnent— been discussed. what the government-is. been discussed. what the government is that

government has said is that ewentntnt— government has said is that ewentntng-te- government has said is that everything be on the table everything must be on the table all everything must be on the table att-tnat— everything must be on the table all-that they're— everything must be on the table all that they're looking at all and that they're looking at ways— all and that they're looking at ways-wen— all and that they're looking at ways-tnen nan- all and that they're looking at ways they may step in, ways in which they may step in, but ways in which they may step in, tut—ant- ways in which they may step in, tut—ant at- ways in which they may step in,i but—and of course, but they may not. and of course, teteeea— but they may not. and of course, rebecca powell— but they may not. and of course, rebecca powell yesterday, the enwtannent— rebecca powell yesterday, the environment minister, speaking in environment minister, speaking tn espe— environment minister, speaking tn nesnanseltnts— environment minister, speaking in response this urgent in response to this urgent tuesttan— in response to this urgent question-very- in response to this urgent question very issue in question on this very issue in tne— question on this very issue in tne nause— question on this very issue in the house commons, was saying the house of commons, was saying tnat— the house of commons, was saying tnat-stnant— the house of commons, was saying that-strong liquidity- that there is strong liquidity in that there is strong liquidity tn tne— that there is strong liquidity in the company. it was almost tatttnt— in the company. it was almost tatttnt un— in the company. it was almost tatttnt up tne— in the company. it was almost talking up the confidence in it. now:— talking up the confidence in it. taw-tttutttn- talking up the confidence in it. now,-liquidity is- talking up the confidence in it. now, liquidity is quite a now, strong liquidity is quite a tunnn— now, strong liquidity is quite a tunnn tntnt— now, strong liquidity is quite a tunnn tntnt ta— now, strong liquidity is quite a funny thing to say about a water eannanw— funny thing to say about a water company, potentially company, but also potentially tne— company, but also potentially see the government does see a natt— see the government does see a natn tnnautn— see the government does see a path through here— see the government does see a path through here whereby a spectat— path through here whereby a special administration regime, to special administration regime, ta use— special administration regime, ta tne— special administration regime, to use the technical phrase, may not to use the technical phrase, may nat te— to use the technical phrase, may not be necessary. _ to use the technical phrase, may not be necessary. but again , not be necessary. but again, tnts— not be necessary. but again, we ts— not be necessary. but again, we ts tnts— not be necessary. but again, this is this is— not be necessary. but again, this is this is an— not be necessary. but again, this is this is an uncertain natt— this is this is an uncertain natn nene. — this is this is an uncertain path here. we— this is this is an uncertain path here. we don't know where we nttnt— path here. we don't know where we nttnt ent— path here. we don't know where we might end up. _ path here. we don't know where we might end up. these water companies are a scandal, aren't they? they've been making huge profits, giving large dividends to shareholders and doing nothing about cleaning up our rivers and pumping so much pollution into them. i think a lot of people will be rightly aggrieved at the perceived lack of investment into the our creaking infrastructure here.

so, so much of it victorian . so, so much of it victorian. wean. — so, so much of it victorian. wean. ant— so, so much of it victorian. wean. ant net— so, so much of it victorian. yeah. and yet the level of investment— yeah. and yet the level of investment under privatised water— investment under privatised water companies is higher than the water companies is higher than tne tewet— water companies is higher than tne tewet at— water companies is higher than the level of investment was when tnen— the level of investment was when tnen — the level of investment was when they were nationalised. now nettnen— they were nationalised. now neither were— they were nationalised. now neither were good enough. no, tnat-s— neither were good enough. no, tnat-s nat— neither were good enough. no, tnat-s nat ta— neither were good enough. no, that's not to say— neither were good enough. no, that's not to say there's been enautn— that's not to say there's been enough investment into this stutt— enough investment into this stunt-tnene- enough investment into this. stuff-there-but stuff. clearly there hasn't. but it stuff. clearly there hasn't. but tt ts— stuff. clearly there hasn't. but tt ts aetuatn— stuff. clearly there hasn't. but it is actually a— stuff. clearly there hasn't. but it is actually a higher level of tnwestnent— it is actually a higher level of investment than— it is actually a higher level of investment than when it was nationalised— investment than when it was nationalised and one of the reasons here is— nationalised and one of the reasons here is that when the tawennnent— reasons here is that when the government owns— reasons here is that when the government owns something, they nesnant— government owns something, they nesnant ta. — government owns something, they nesnant ta. nat— government owns something, they respond to, not market incentive . tut— respond to, not market incentive . tut natttteat— respond to, not market incentive , but political incentives. and if , but political incentives. and tt ane— , but political incentives. and tt wean— , but political incentives. and if one year, for— , but political incentives. and if one year, for example , if one year, for example, tnene-s— if one year, for example, there's more— if one year, for example, there's more hollering about nenstans— there's more hollering about penstans an— there's more hollering about pensions or more hollering about tree— pensions or more hollering about tee senaat— pensions or more hollering about free school meals— pensions or more hollering about free school meals or whatever it is, free school meals or whatever it ts. tne — free school meals or whatever it is, the government's attention mav— is, the government's attention nan wett— is, the government's attention nan wett te— is, the government's attention nan wett be an— is, the government's attention may well be on that. and they'll let may well be on that. and they'll tet tntnts— may well be on that. and they'll let things that— may well be on that. and they'll let things that seem less wesstnt— let things that seem less pressing like— let things that seem less pressing like infrastructure tnat— pressing like infrastructure tnat nan— pressing like infrastructure that may well— pressing like infrastructure that may well have only been ten nears— that may well have only been ten nears att— that may well have only been ten nears att tn— that may well have only been ten years old in the— that may well have only been ten years old in the 1980s. they'll let years old in the 1980s. they'll tet tnat— years old in the 1980s. they'll tet tnat san— years old in the 1980s. they'll let that sort of— years old in the 1980s. they'll let that sort of sit— years old in the 1980s. they'll let that sort of sit and we snauttn-t— let that sort of sit and we shouldn't think- let that sort of sit and we shouldn't think anyway that tattnt— shouldn't think anyway that tattnt tt— shouldn't think anyway that taking it back— shouldn't think anyway that taking it back into public awnensntn— taking it back into public ownership is— taking it back into public ownership is a- taking it back into public ownership is a panacea. scatttsn— ownership is a panacea. scottish water— ownership is a panacea. scottish water is- ownership is a panacea.

scottish water is state owned . scottish water is state owned. they've got £4 billion worth of debt and they are pumping massive pollution into scottish rivers every year. and you can see rivers every year. and you can tnat— rivers every year. and you can see now that all— rivers every year. and you can see now that all of— ” tttttg and you can see now that all of these is patenttat— see now that all of these is potential pollution sites are nanttanet— potential pollution sites are monitored in— potential pollution sites are monitored in the united kingdom in monitored in the united kingdom tn a— monitored in the united kingdom tn a wan— monitored in the united kingdom tn a wan tnat— monitored in the united kingdom tn a wan tnat na— monitored in the united kingdom in a way that no other country nanttans— in a way that no other country nanttans att— in a way that no other country monitors all of— in a way that no other country monitors all of these waterways. so, monitors all of these waterways. sa. tnantn— monitors all of these waterways. sa. tnantn .— monitors all of these waterways. sa. tnantn . we— monitors all of these waterways. so, frankly , we don't know how so, frankly, we don't know how nattutet— so, frankly, we don't know how nattutet tne— so, frankly, we don't know how polluted the rivers are in germany— polluted the rivers are in germany at— polluted the rivers are in germany or in- polluted the rivers are in germany or in france. we do know taw— germany or in france. we do know naw nattutet— germany or in france. we do know how polluted our— germany or in france. we do know how polluted our rivers are in tne— how polluted our rivers are in tne unttet— how polluted our rivers are in the united kingdom. now, that's a stat— the united kingdom. now, that's a stat wttn— the united kingdom. now, that's a stick with which— the united kingdom. now, that's a stick with which we can beat ourselves because _ a stick with which we can beat ourselves because as we can see, the ourselves because as we can see, tne nantteutan— ourselves because as we can see, tne pantsutan ts— ourselves because as we can see, the particular is there. but atsa— the particular is there. but atsa we— the particular is there. but also we know— the particular is there. but also we know that wales has nationalised— also we know that wales has nationalised its— also we know that wales has nationalised its water as well. ant— nationalised its water as well. ant tt— nationalised its water as well. ant tt nau— nationalised its water as well. and if you look— nationalised its water as well. and if you look at— nationalised its water as well. and if you look at one of these maps— and if you look at one of these maps tnat— and if you look at one of these maps tnat tne— and if you look at one of these maps that the water regulators anatuee— maps that the water regulators now produce of— maps that the water regulators now produce of where the natenttat— now produce of where the potential outflow is of this stutt. — potential outflow is of this stuff, wales— potential outflow is of this stuff, wales is— potential outflow is of this stuff, wales is highlighted as a aanteutan— stuff, wales is highlighted as a particular area— stuff, wales is highlighted as a particular area of— stuff, wales is highlighted as a particular area of concern and tnat-s— particular area of concern and was unten— particular area of concern and that's under a— particular area of concern and that's under a nationalised snsten. — that's under a nationalised snsten. sa— that's under a nationalised system. so yeah , again, no easy system. so yeah, again, no easy answers. clearly— system. so yeah, again, no easy answers. clearly nothing. it's nat— answers. clearly nothing. it's nat taat— answers. clearly nothing. it's not good enough. as things stand . nut— not good enough. as things stand . nut tne— not good enough. as things stand . but the question— not good enough. as things stand . but the question is, would

netunntnt— . but the question is, would netunntnt ta— . but the question is, would returning to the— . but the question is, would returning to the system where even lower investment was the expeneneet — even lower investment was the experienced reality , would that experienced reality, would that be tne — experienced reality, would that be tne test— experienced reality, would that be the best answer? potentially nat. — be the best answer? potentially nat. states— be the best answer? potentially not. states can't— be the best answer? potentially not. states can't run- be the best answer? potentially not. ti?" e :�* t:5 not. states can't run things. tell us about this ridiculous privileges committee tom. yes, this is a this is yet another- this is a this is yet another tenant— this is a this is yet another tenant nan — this is a this is yet another report from the _ this is a this is yet another report from the privileges canntttee. — report from the privileges committee. of— report from the privileges committee. of course , this was committee. of course, this was tne— committee. of course, this was the privileges— committee. of course, this was the privileges committee that eattet — the privileges committee that eattet tn— the privileges committee that was called by some allies of tans— was called by some allies of boris johnson,— was called by some allies of boris johnson, a— was called by some allies of boris johnson, a kangaroo court in boris johnson, a kangaroo court tn tts— boris johnson, a kangaroo court tn tts tn— boris johnson, a kangaroo court tn tts tn tn— boris johnson, a kangaroo court tn tts tn tn tts— boris johnson, a kangaroo court in its in in its investigation tnta— in its in in its investigation into whether— in its in in its investigation into whether or— in its in in its investigation into whether or not he misled pattanent. — into whether or not he misled parliament. well,— into whether or not he misled parliament. well, they have been neatn— parliament. well, they have been neatn tatter— parliament. well, they have been really rather aggrieved at the tast— really rather aggrieved at the taet tnat— really rather aggrieved at the fact that some— really rather aggrieved at the fact that some allies of boris tannsan— fact that some allies of boris johnson have— fact that some allies of boris johnson have been in their minds , johnson have been in their minds . untenntntnt— johnson have been in their minds , undermining their— johnson have been in their minds , undermining their work and in wet— , undermining their work and in tnetn wants— , undermining their work and in tnetn wants .— , undermining their work and in their words , performing their words, performing a coordenar dated campaign in anten— coordenar dated campaign in anten ta— coordenar dated campaign in order to intimidate members of tnat— order to intimidate members of that committee.— order to intimidate members of that committee. that's what they tntnt. — that committee. that's what they tntnt. ant— that committee. that's what they tntnt. ant sa— that committee. that's what they think. and so they've written up a tt— think. and so they've written up a at page— think. and so they've written up a new 14 page report , short a new 14 page report, short ntgnttgnttng— a new 14 page report, short highlighting examples of this san— highlighting examples of this sat at— highlighting examples of this sort of behaviour and naming este— sort of behaviour and naming rnernerst at— sort of behaviour and naming members of parliament. “a.“ g members of parliament. anything tatter— members of parliament. anything tetter ta— members of parliament. anything tetter ta tat— members of parliament. anything better to do? honestly we feel

like we have got a government who can't even provide clean water for us at a at a realistic cost and they're dealing with this. go on, tom. they talk ataut— this. go on, tom. they talk ataut se— this. go on, tom. they talk about some of— this. go on, tom. they talk about some of the- cttt they talk about some of the most distal tenant— about some of the most distal kerbing examples of a coordinated- kerbing examples of a coordinated campaign to tntertere— coordinated campaign to interfere with— coordinated campaign to interfere with the work of the eanntttee — interfere with the work of the eanntttee .— interfere with the work of the committee . now— interfere with the work of the committee . now they list they committee. now they list they list committee. now they list they ttst tnese — committee. now they list they list these examples from nadine earnes— list these examples from nadine narrtes. wart— list these examples from nadine dorries, mark jenkinson , michael dorries, mark jenkinson, michael tatrteant— dorries, mark jenkinson, michael fabricant, brendan clarke—smith neat— fabricant, brendan clarke—smith , jacob rees—mogg, andrea rentnns— , jacob rees—mogg, andrea rennns ant— , jacob rees—mogg, andrea jenkyns and priti patel . those jenkyns and priti patel. those are jenkyns and priti patel. those tne— jenkyns and priti patel. those tne tars— jenkyns and priti patel. those are the mps that— jenkyns and priti patel. those are the mps that are listed here ant— are the mps that are listed here ant se— are the mps that are listed here ant at— are the mps that are listed here and some of these— are the mps that are listed here and some of these egregious exanates— and some of these egregious examples samples include michael ratrteant— examples samples include michael fabricant tweeting_ examples samples include michael fabricant tweeting on the 19th, on fabricant tweeting on the 19th, an tne— fabricant tweeting on the 19th, an tne etn— fabricant tweeting on the 19th, an tne etn at— fabricant tweeting on the 19th, on the 9th of june, and serious tuesttans— on the 9th of june, and serious questions will— on the 9th of june, and serious questions will need to be asked ataut— questions will need to be asked ataut tne— questions will need to be asked about the manner— questions will need to be asked about the manner in which this tnwestttattan— about the manner in which this investigation has— about the manner in which this investigation has been conducted and investigation has been conducted ant wnat-s— investigation has been conducted and what's wrong— investigation has been conducted and what's wrong with that? wett. — and what's wrong with that? wett. tt-s— and what's wrong with that? wett. tt-s an— and what's wrong with that? well, it's an egregious example. it's well, it's an egregious example. we sophie— well, it's an egregious example. it's sophie reaper— well, it's an egregious example. it's sophie reaper important, pompous, , the phrase pompous, pathetic, the phrase the phrase that they have been using is quite extraordinary here, yet disturbing. example samples. here, yet disturbing. example sanntes. taw— here, yet disturbing. example samples. now, if— here, yet disturbing. example samples. now, if we- g example samples. now, if we want to look at tne— samples. now, if we want to look at the technicality— samples. now, if we want to look at the technicality of this , at the technicality of this, trsttne — at the technicality of this, trsttne nan— at the technicality of this, erskine may the rules by which

parttanent— erskine may the rules by which narttanent ts— erskine may the rules by which parliament is run— erskine may the rules by which parliament is run does have tntnts— parliament is run does have tntnts ta— parliament is run does have tntnts ta san— parliament is run does have things to say about how the canntttee— things to say about how the committee on— things to say about how the committee on privileges has to be committee on privileges has to te tert— committee on privileges has to te tett atane— committee on privileges has to be left alone and— committee on privileges has to be left alone and speeches and wrtttnts— be left alone and speeches and writings reflecting— be left alone and speeches and writings reflecting upon the eantuet— writings reflecting upon the eantuet at— writings reflecting upon the conduct of members as members must— conduct of members as members must te— conduct of members as members must be treated— conduct of members as members must be treated analogous to wet— must be treated analogous to their molestation on account of tnetr— their molestation on account of their behaviour— their molestation on account of their behaviour in— their molestation on account of their behaviour in parliament. tnat-s— their behaviour in parliament. was a— their behaviour in parliament. was a quate— their behaviour in parliament. that's a quote from erskine may. if that's a quote from erskine may. rt nau— that's a quote from erskine may. rt nau eauttn-t— that's a quote from erskine may. if you couldn't tell. _ that's a quote from erskine may. if you couldn't tell. so the rutes— if you couldn't tell. so the rutes at— if you couldn't tell. so the rules of parliament say this eanntttee— rules of parliament say this committee must— rules of parliament say this committee must be left alone and so committee must be left alone and sa tnat— committee must be left alone and so on. that technical— committee must be left alone and so on. that technical level, tnat-s— so on. that technical level, was wnat— so on. that technical level, that's what they're drawing upon . nut— that's what they're drawing upon . nut ta— that's what they're drawing upon . but to describe— that's what they're drawing upon . but to describe some of these as tne— . but to describe some of these as tne nast— . but to describe some of these as the most disturbing examples, wnen— as the most disturbing examples, wnen tnen— as the most disturbing examples, wnen tnen nan— as the most disturbing examples, when they may well be a teennteat— when they may well be a technical misalignment with what trsttne— technical misalignment with what trsttne wan— technical misalignment with what trsttne nan sans— technical misalignment with what erskine may says ,_ technical misalignment with what erskine may says , to then erskine may says, to then pretent— erskine may says, to then pretend that— erskine may says, to then pretend that this is perhaps a an etrettaus— pretend that this is perhaps a an egregious attack on democracy . i an egregious attack on democracy . t tntnt— an egregious attack on democracy . t tntnt a— an egregious attack on democracy . ttntnt a tat— an egregious attack on democracy . i think a lot of— an egregious attack on democracy . i think a lot of people will tuesttan— . i think a lot of people will question that— . i think a lot of people will question that and question how tntrasneettwe— question that and question how introspective this— question that and question how introspective this committee is bent— introspective this committee is tetnt tnts— introspective this committee is being this committee is ridiculous. _ being this committee is ridiculous. e being this committee is ridiculous. . 3: being this committee is- ridiculous. it's suspended the bofis ridiculous. it's suspended the boris johnson for 90 days from the commons, even though he'd already resigned as an mp, 50

days of it because he had the temerity to criticise the way the committee worked. pompous and ridiculous. we need to move on. and ridiculous. we need to move an-te— and ridiculous. we need to move an-te tast— and ridiculous. we need to move an-te tact ta- and ridiculous. we need to move on.-be back to tell- and ridiculous. we need to move on.-be back to tell us. on. you will be back to tell us ataut— on. you will be back to tell us ataut tne— on. you will be back to tell us about the rwanda— on. you will be back to tell us about the rwanda ruling. do not go about the rwanda ruling. do not 90- _ about the rwanda ruling. do not 90- tnat— about the rwanda ruling. do not 90- ttattust- about the rwanda ruling. do not go- thatjust after. go anywhere. that just after 10:00 today. now also go anywhere. �*o oo : now also madonna 10:00 today. now also madonna has 10:00 today. now also madonna nas—ner— 10:oo today. now also madonna has—her world- 10:00 today. now also madonna has—her world tour. has postponed her world tour atten— has postponed her world tour atter-ttt— has postponed her world tour after-ill-stayingl after falling ill and staying sewerat— after falling ill and staying several days— after falling ill and staying several days intensive care . several days in intensive care. how.— several days in intensive care. waw. tnta— several days in intensive care. waw. ttts ts— several days in intensive care. waw. ttts ts a— several days in intensive care. now, this is a world— several days in intensive care. now, this is a world tour- several days in intensive care. \\izilv“\l u" if. if. {i �*rtt'ijjilt: lijjiu " lijji now, this is a world tour to mark her 40 years in show business. her management say she develops a bacterial develops a serious bacterial infection but is recovering after spending some time in intensive care. so joining us for more is showbiz reporter stephanie morning, stephanie takyi. good morning, stennante— stephanie takyi. good morning, steanante .— stephanie takyi. good morning, stephanie . good— tt; good morning, stephanie . good morning. c: stephanie. good morning. good narntnt— stephanie. good morning. good morning, andrew— stephanie. good morning. good morning, andrew and bev thank you joining us. so give us you forjoining us. so give us the background— you forjoining us. so give us the background to— you forjoining us. so give us the background to this- :�* g so give us the background to this because at— the background to this because none of us knew— the background to this because none of us knew that she was in nasattat.— none of us knew that she was in nasnttat. taw— none of us knew that she was in hospital. how-we— none of us knew that she was in hospital. how we eventually hospital. how did we eventually tnt— hospital. how did we eventually ttnt-e— hospital. how did we eventually ttnt-e ves- — hospital. how did we eventually find -? yes. so _ hospital. how did we eventually find-? yes. so this- hospital. how did we eventually find-? yes. so this is- hospital. how did we eventually find ? yes. arty find out? yes. so this is very much being kept under wraps . it much being kept under wraps. it was madonna's long term manager , was madonna's long term manager a , was madonna's long term manager , a guy oseary, who put a statement out on his instagram last night to say that her forthcoming world tour celebration will be postponed due to the singer being found.

henn due to the singer being found. henri paul lviv. and she was moved to be intubated over the weekend in new york. he said she's set to make a full recovery . three but this has she's set to make a full recovery. three but this has had a knock on effect on her tour. so she was due to start her tour in vancouver next month on july 15th. so this will come as a big blow to madonna because she may be 64, but madonna is very much young at heart and nothing gets her going. then her tours. young at heart and nothing gets her going. then her tours . so to her going. then her tours. so to have this postponed is definitely not going to be something she'll be too happy about. but her health comes first. and by the sounds of it, she must have been in a serious state. and there's some suggesttan— state. and there's some suggestion from - and there's some suggestion from the family, stennante.— suggestion from the family, stephanie, that they could have tast— stephanie, that they could have tast ner. — stephanie, that they could have lost her. yeah,— stephanie, that they could have lost her. yeah, a— stephanie, that they could have lost her. yeah, a lot.- stephanie, that they could have lost her. “tilt?" lost her. yeah, a lot. her daughter lourdes has been by her side since she was taken to hospital in new york. other family members have been given interviews saying that they really felt like it was touch and and they haven't seen her and go and they haven't seen her in a condition. and this in such a condition. and this isn't that isn't the first time that madonna has suffered injuries or been sick ahead of a world tour

in 2019 when she was doing her madame x tour, she was forced to postpone dates because of knee injuries and she had to go for surgery. this was set to be an 84 date world tour across 12 countries. so for any artist or any singer , you're putting any singer, you're putting yourself under a lot of immense pressure to get your your dancing right, your singing right. so that's a lot to take in your body, especially when you're older. and we know madonna . she likes to give off madonna. she likes to give off this impression that she's young and she's fit. but when you're preparing for tours, they are quite taxing , i guess we don't quite taxing, i guess we don't know. it's interesting, isn't it, know. it's interesting, isn't tt. tnat— know. it's interesting, isn't tt. tnat tnen— it's interesting, isn't it, that they released the tetatt— it, that they released the detail that— it, that they released the detail that she had a severe tnteettan— detail that she had a severe infection, but— detail that she had a severe infection, but obviously haven't tatt— infection, but obviously haven't tatt us— infection, but obviously haven't told us anything— infection, but obviously haven't told us anything about how she'd eantraetet— told us anything about how she'd contracted that— told us anything about how she'd contracted that infection. i tntnt— contracted that infection. i tntnt tne— contracted that infection. i think the last— contracted that infection. i think the last post on her tnstatran — think the last post on her tnstatran .— think the last post on her instagram , steph, was on june instagram, steph, was on june the instagram, steph, was on june tne 20th,— instagram, steph, was on june tne zetn sa— instagram, steph, was on june the 20th, so only— instagram, steph, was on june the 20th, so only four days tetare— the 20th, so only four days before hospitalisation. and she sat— before hospitalisation. and she sat tt— before hospitalisation. and she sat t was— before hospitalisation. and she said it was the— before hospitalisation. and she said it was the calm before the sta— said it was the calm before the sta as— said it was the calm before the sta as sne— said it was the calm before the storm. as she prepares said for the storm. as she prepares said for tne taun— storm. as she prepares said for tne taur .— storm. as she prepares said for tne taur . t— storm. as she prepares said for the tour. i mean,— storm. as she prepares said for the tour. i mean, she'll be devastated _ the tour. i mean, she'll be devastated because also she was

eetetrattnt— devastated because also she was eetetrattnt ao— devastated because also she was celebrating 40 years of one of tne— celebrating 40 years of one of tne nast— celebrating 40 years of one of the most famous— celebrating 40 years of one of the most famous songs, holiday , the most famous songs, holiday, wnen— the most famous songs, holiday, wnten ttnt— the most famous songs, holiday, wnten ttnt at— the most famous songs, holiday, which kind of launched her. ttts— which kind of launched her. ttts wa— which kind of launched her. ttts set— which kind of launched her. this was set to _ which kind of launched her. this was set to be- which kind of launched her. this was set to be a- which kind of launched her. this was set to be a big- which kind of launched her. this was set to be a big moment for madonna. you know , when it for madonna. you know, when it comes to her music, she's refused to give up to critics who have said she should wind down, she should act her age. madonna's always wanted to be like, i can go on with my career . can perform just as a 20 . i can perform just as a 20 year old can. so for her, this will definitely a devastating will definitely be a devastating blow. also, there's a blow. and also, there's a big question , andrew bev whether question, andrew and bev whether this still go this tour can still go ahead. i think a lot of people are downplaying a bacterial infection. they can be quite life threatening. so depending on her state, this tour was supposed to go from july until january next year. so we don't know how much recovery time she's going need. and whether she's going to need. and whether she's going to need. and whether she will indeed proceed with this fascinating . okay. this tour. fascinating. okay. wean.— this tour. fascinating. okay. wean-nau— ” fascinating. okay. yeah. you, stephanie. this tour. fascinating. okay.- yeah.-you, stephanie. well yeah. thank you, stephanie. well tustttw— yeah. thank you, stephanie. well tuettn. sne-s— yeah. thank you, stephanie. well luckily, she's all— yeah. thank you, stephanie. well luckily, she's all right. ntttest— luckily, she's all right. ntttest-tn- luckily, she's all right. biggest in the world. biggest star in the world. ntttest—nni biggest music star of my tttettne. — biggest music star of my lifetime. about biggest music star of my. lifetime. -about it. biggest music star of my- lifetime. -about it. i lifetime. no doubt about it. i tawe— lifetime. no doubt about it. i tne-saw.— lifetime. no doubt about it. i tawelsaw t— lifetime. no doubt about it. i have-say, i-her- lifetime. no doubt about it. i have-say, i-her in- lifetime. no doubt about it. ii have-say, i-her in hyde have to say, i saw her in hyde park a few years ago. she was very disappointing because she

sang songs we didn't sang lots of songs we didn't know wanted the know and everybody wanted the material like a virgin. material girl like a virgin. yeah, lots of new songs yeah, she sang lots of new songs and we thought, that's not what we're here for. people started trading before the end. oh, trading away before the end. oh, no. disappointing, right? no. very disappointing, right? right. family cost the right. the royal family cost the taxpayer—millionj taxpayer more than £86 million tast—tttures- taxpayer more than £86 million last—figures from. last year. official figures from nuettntnan — buckingham palace have shown tnen— buckingham palace have shown tnen spent— buckingham palace have shown they spent about— buckingham palace have shown they spent about £1 million on netteanter— they spent about £1 million on helicopter journeys. t helicopter journeys. but overall traver— helicopter journeys. but overall travel expenditure was down by around 13. yes. so cameron walker is here with us now because prince charles, his finances headlines finances are in the headlines today. cameron, why is that? wean.— today. cameron, why is that? wean. watt.— today. cameron, why is that? yeah, well, the— today. cameron, why is that? yeah, well, the sovereign grant report, which is the pot of money, the government money, given by the government to to fund to the royal family to fund their duties been their official duties has been released palace. released by buckingham palace. lots and of details. but lots and lots of details. but before we start that, let's just explain viewers and listeners explain to viewers and listeners exactly how the royal family is funded. we've got a graphic funded. so we've got a graphic for watching on for those watching on television, is going to television, which is going to show what crown estate show you what the crown estate is. and that is a big property portfolio. lands and portfolio. so of lands and buildings seabed around buildings and the seabed around the kingdom owned by the the united kingdom owned by the crown. the king surrenders crown. but the king surrenders all of those profits to the

treasury and then the treasury, then pay a percentage of those profits back to the king, which is known as the sovereign grant, usually 15. but because buckingham palace is being resurfaced at the moment it's 25% roughly, which is why £86.3 million of our money taxpayers money has been spent on the royal family last year. there's lots of figures to delve into. you said in your link one £1 million spent on helicopters. king obviously very king charles obviously very environmentally conscious. so perhaps critics would call perhaps some critics would call him on that one. the palace him out on that one. the palace always him out on that one. the palace atwans ute— him out on that one. the palace atwans ttte ta— him out on that one. the palace always like to come— him out on that one. the palace always like to come up- :�* ttt" the palace always like to come up with a nature. — always like to come up with a figure. cameron— always like to come up with a figure. cameron don't they? it casts— figure. cameron don't they? it casts-tann— figure. cameron don't they? it costs -family or— figure. cameron don't they? it costs family or per costs per family or per taxpayer.— costs per family or per taxpayer, £1.29 it's taxpayer, £1.29 a year. it's stttt— taxpayer, £1.29 a year. it's stttt wetn— taxpayer, £1.29 a year. it's still pretty small beer, but tnat— still pretty small beer, but that doesn't— still pretty small beer, but that doesn't take into account, of course, the _ that doesn't take into account, of course, the huge cost of seeurttn. — of course, the huge cost of security, which _ of course, the huge cost of security, which we never ever get— security, which we never ever get tne — security, which we never ever get tne reat— security, which we never ever get the real figure of. yeah, exaetn. — get the real figure of. yeah, exactly. -security- get the real figure of. yeah, exactly. t tat get the real figure of. yeah,- exactly. -security is done exactly. and security is done separately by the office. separately by the home office. so is not included within so this is not included within the sovereign grants. but what is, is little funny details really palace's really like buckingham palace's temperature down to temperature being turned down to 19 degrees in rooms which 19 degrees in the rooms which are occupied, but only 16 degrees in rooms which are degrees in the rooms which are unoccupied the rising

unoccupied due to the rising cost of heating bills. and of course, buckingham palace, a massive building to heat. but staff salary costs have gone up quite substantially, 5 or 6, which is a massively increased the payroll for buckingham palace , £27.1 million. as for palace, £27.1 million. as for diversity , though, the diversity, though, the buckingham palace has missed their diversity target for a second year running . i think second year running. i think it's roughly 9% or something. i and compared to kensington palace, which is william and catherine's household, they're diversity figure for ethnic minorities is 16.3. so kensington palace doing better than buckingham palace on that one. yeah, that's pretty good. i mean, we're not— yeah, that's pretty good. i mean, we're not none of us are tant— mean, we're not none of us are tatnt ta— mean, we're not none of us are tatnt ta teet— mean, we're not none of us are tatnt ta teet taa— mean, we're not none of us are going to feel too devastated for the going to feel too devastated for tne artnt— going to feel too devastated for tne artnt ta — going to feel too devastated for the print to the _ going to feel too devastated for the print to the king, are we, tnat— the print to the king, are we, tnat nts— the print to the king, are we, that his property— the print to the king, are we, that his property portfolio has snrunt— that his property portfolio has snrunt tn— that his property portfolio has shrunk in value— that his property portfolio has shrunk in value by 500 million ant— shrunk in value by 500 million ant tt-s— shrunk in value by 500 million ant tt-s stttt— shrunk in value by 500 million and it's still billions and tttttans. — and it's still billions and billions. i— and it's still billions and billions. i mean, he's on paper . crawn— billions. i mean, he's on paper . crown estate— billions. i mean, he's on paper . crown estate is— billions. i mean, he's on paper . crown estate is enormously weattnn— . crown estate is enormously weattnn. — . crown estate is enormously weattnn. on.— . crown estate is enormously wealthy . cit" gt:t?“ . crown estate is enormously wealthy . cit" harte“ ttttyt wealthy. oh, yeah, absolutely. so the crown estate profits for this year have published this year have been published £442 million. that's a lot of money. but that's because of the

windfall created from the six offshore wind farms which were invested in. but that windfall of 100 million, the king, from my understanding, does not want it to go into the sovereign grant. he doesn't want that to be part of it. he wants it to go back into the public purse for the wider public good. he doesn't want to benefit directly from that extra windfall money. well, that seems sensible, taesn-t— well, that seems sensible, taesn-tle — well, that seems sensible, doesn't 7 4c?“ and well, that seems sensible, doesn't ? “tilt?" and we're doesn't it? yeah. and we're going— doesn't it? yeah. and we're tatnt ta— doesn't it? yeah. and we're tatnt ta see— doesn't it? yeah. and we're going to see much- doesn't it? / and we're going to see much of them in the next— going to see much of them in the next new— going to see much of them in the next tew tans. — going to see much of them in the next few days. where they? next few days. where are they? wnat— next few days. where are they? wnat-rutes— next few days. where are they? wnat-rutes un— next few days. where are they? what-rules up to- next few days. where are they? what rules up to the king? what the rules up to the king? watt.— what the rules up to the king? watt. t— what the rules up to the king? watt. t tttnt— what the rules up to the king? well, i think you'll— what the rules up to the king? well, i think you'll have- what the rules up to the king? well, i think you'll have to- well, i think you'll have to wait and see. there's a few. we'll yeah there's we'll have to. yeah there's a few which perhaps we few things which perhaps we can't just yet. but next can't say. just yet. but next week, of course, the king is going to be in scotland for edinburgh holyrood week and we're the we're going to have the ceremony, the presentation of the jewels to the scottish crown jewels to king charles as the new sovereign. it's dubbed as sovereign. it's been dubbed as a kind mini coronation. i don't kind of mini coronation. i don't think buckingham see it think buckingham palace see it as but still a pretty as that way, but still a pretty significant event. they did have ntnt— significant event. they did have mini coronations_ g �*rt.rtt:x they did have mini coronations scottish caranattan— mini coronations scottish coronation for— mini coronations scottish coronation for queen and coronation for the queen and i rernernerwast-- coronation for the queen and i- remember-was-surprise remember there was some surprise wnen— remember there was some surprise wnen sne— remember there was some surprise wnen sne-un— remember there was some surprise wnen sne-un ta— remember there was some surprise when she up to scotland. when she went up to scotland. sne—tn—

when she went up to scotland. sne—tn atte- she was dressed in like a etwwtes— she was dressed in like a twwtesus—el she was dressed in like a- civvies,_use that. civvies, if you could use that. they— civvies, if you could use that. tnen expect— civvies, if you could use that. they expect her— civvies, if you could use that. they expect her to robes they expect her to be in robes ant— they expect her to be in robes and crowns coronets. so it and crowns and coronets. so it a ttttte— and crowns and coronets. so it was a little bit— and crowns and coronets. so it was a little bit disappointing. so was a little bit disappointing. sa tnere-tt— was a little bit disappointing. so there'll be— was a little bit disappointing. so there'll be quite aware of tnat—wnen- so there'll be quite aware of that—when he- so there'll be quite aware ofi that—when he does so there'll be quite aware of- that_when he does does that when they when he does does this that when they when he does does ttts—next— that when they when he does does this—next week. - this in scotland next week. atsatuten. — this in scotland next week. absolutely. rt.”rt; this in scotland next week. absolutely. -there's to absolutely. and there's going to be procession from be a huge procession from edinburgh castle with the scottish jewels down to scottish crown jewels down to saint cathedral saint giles cathedral and a separate from separate procession from holy palace holyrood edinburgh palace of holyrood in edinburgh with of the royal with with members of the royal family saint family processing to saint giles cathedral. going to be cathedral. so it is going to be very similar looking. will they all london? will they all all be in london? will they all be an— all be in london? will they all be an paratee— all be in london? will they all be on parade? all— all be in london? will they all be on parade? all the- :�* 37 will they all be on parade? all the senior ranatse — be on parade? all the senior ranatse we— be on parade? all the senior royals? we-for- be on parade? all the senior- royals? we-for-king, royals? we know for sure. king, queen, princess of queen, prince and princess of wales. but we don't know about any of the others yet. princess anne be any of the others yet. princess anne - be there _ any of the others yet. princess anne - be there because - princess anne be there because she anne will be there because she taes— anne will be there because she does-scotland. - anne will be there because she does scotland. rattle does a lot in scotland. well, pertains— does a lot in scotland. well, narrate-sure— does a lot in scotland. well, perhaps sure we'll see perhaps i'm sure we'll see others popping time to others popping up from time to time. you've been hanging out wttn— time. you've been hanging out wttn rrtnee— time. you've been hanging out with prince william— t you've been hanging out with prince william quite a lot reeenttw— with prince william quite a lot reeenttw-naue- with prince william quite a lot reeenttw-naue r- with prince william quite a lot recently, you? i mean. recently, haven't you? i mean. wean — recently, haven't you? i mean. wean lean.— recently, haven't you? i mean. yeah “rte“ wart?" but i recently, haven't you? i mean. yeah / but i thought yeah > yeah, yeah. but i thought his homelessness— yeah s / but i thought his homelessness charity launch anttttan—weni ambition project went very, very wet.— ambition project went very, very wettlwas— ambition project went very, very well. was beautifully well. it was beautifully exesutet— well. it was beautifully executed, wasn't it? all the nessagtnt— executed, wasn't it? all the messaging was— executed, wasn't it? all the messaging was good. he looked great.— messaging was good. he looked treat. tne— messaging was good. he looked great. tne ann— messaging was good. he looked great. the only thing that's a bit great. the only thing that's a ttt-ts— great. the only thing that's a ttt-ts ne— great. the only thing that's a bit-is he had— great. the only thing that's a bit-is he had geri- great. the only thing that's a bit is he had geri halliwell bit odd is he had geri halliwell wttn— bit odd is he had geri halliwell wttn ntn— bit odd is he had geri halliwell wttn ntn ane— bit odd is he had geri halliwell with him one day.— bit odd is he had geri halliwell with him one day. i couldn't

tutte— with him one day. i couldn't quite understand that. yeah, nes—ane- quite understand that. yeah, nes—are at| quite understand that. yeah,| nes—are at a quite understand that. yeah,- he's_one of a with he's got. so she's one of a with advocates. yeah. so she's, he's got about got a load of celebrity about five estates. yeah. boating lakes he's, he's doing lakes but he's, he's doing brilliantly he. yeah. i brilliantly isn't he. yeah. i think so.ithink- brilliantly isn't he. yeah. i think so.ithink he- t yeah. i think so. think he really got think so. i think he really got tne— think so. i think he really got tne nessaatna— think so. i think he really got the messaging perhaps right from a tat— the messaging perhaps right from a lot commentators and what a lot of commentators and what tnen-re— a lot of commentators and what they're - because - a lot of commentators and what they're because even they're saying because even tnautn— they're saying because even tnautn-was— they're saying because even tnautn-was a- they're saying because even though was a lot of though there was a lot of artttetsn. — though there was a lot of criticism, the _ though there was a lot of criticism, the fact that he has tnree— three properties himself, resona— three properties himself, 135,000 acres with the duchy of carnwatt. — 135,000 acres with the duchy of cornwall, from _ 135,000 acres with the duchy of cornwall, from my— 135,000 acres with the duchy of cornwall, from my understanding . ne— cornwall, from my understanding . ne etearn— cornwall, from my understanding . ne etearnlwen— cornwall, from my understanding , he clearly very aware of , he clearly is very aware of ms— , he clearly is very aware of nts artwtteae— , he clearly is very aware of nts artwtteae .— , he clearly is very aware of his privilege .-a- , he clearly is very aware of his privilege . a of his privilege. and a lot of aeaate— his privilege. and a lot of aeaate wee— his privilege. and a lot of people were picking up on that. ant— people were picking up on that. ant-nes— people were picking up on that. ant-nes tatnt— people were picking up on that. and he's doing using his and what he's doing is using his atattarn— and what he's doing is using his atattarn-ta- and what he's doing is using his platform,-to shine- and what he's doing is using his platform, to shine a platform, his fame, to shine a want—wnen.- platform, his fame, to shine a light—which, let'si light on an issue which, let's be light on an issue which, let's te-wautt— light on an issue which, let's be-would not- light on an issue which, let's be-would not be- light on an issue which, let's be would not be on the be honest, would not be on the tent— be honest, would not be on the trant pages— be honest, would not be on the trant pages at— be honest, would not be on the front pages of the— be honest, would not be on the front pages of the papers. and we wauttn-t— front pages of the papers. and we wouldn't be— front pages of the papers. and we wouldn't be talking about homelessness— we wouldn't be talking about homelessness for homelessness if it wasn't for ntn. — homelessness if it wasn't for ntn. ia— homelessness if it wasn't for ntn. ia treat— homelessness if it wasn't for him. g”rt;rttt rt; homelessness if it wasn't for him. g him. it's a great enabler, but there kensington there is that issue. kensington palace, used to be his palace, empty used to be his home. 21 yeah, 21 rooms home. 21 rooms? yeah, 21 rooms for home. 21 rooms? yeah, 21 rooms tar apartment— home. 21 rooms? yeah, 21 rooms for apartment one— home. 21 rooms? yeah, 21 rooms for apartment one a— 21 rooms? yeah, 21 rooms for apartment one a and interesting— for apartment one a and interesting what we found out in the interesting what we found out in tne sawerettn— interesting what we found out in the sovereign grants report tatan— the sovereign grants report today is the duke and duchess of etaueester-s— today is the duke and duchess of gloucester's former— today is the duke and duchess of gloucester's former home apartment.— gloucester's former home apartment—tsi gloucester's former home- apartment._is another apartment. one, which is another 21 apartment. one, which is another a tetraan— apartment. one, which is another a tetraan. a— apartment. one, which is another 21 bedroom, a 21— apartment. one, which is another 21 bedroom, a 21 room property wttntn— 21 bedroom, a 21 room property within kensington— 21 bedroom, a 21 room property within kensington palace is sat empty— within kensington palace is sat enatn ant— within kensington palace is sat enatn ant unttt— within kensington palace is sat empty and unfit for habitation teause— empty and unfit for habitation because there's— empty and unfit for habitation because there's no money to spent— because there's no money to spent an—

because there's no money to spent an tts— because there's no money to spend on its refit, but also who wautt— spend on its refit, but also who wautt twe— spend on its refit, but also who would live in— spend on its refit, but also who would live in it— spend on its refit, but also who would live in it even if they ttt— would live in it even if they ttt rent— would live in it even if they did refit-yeah— would live in it even if they did refit yeah and of did refit it. yeah and of course, don't- did refit it. yeah and of- course, don't-buckingham course, don't forget buckingham tataee—ane-sl palace, 750 rooms. no one's ttwtna— palace, 750 rooms. no one's living either. no. palace, 750 rooms. no one's living-either. no. yet, living there either. no. yet, although royal— living there either. no. yet, although royal aides- t . g g�*rt;”rt; rt; no. yet, although royal aides insist that the although royal aides insist that tne king— although royal aides insist that tne ttnt ant— although royal aides insist that the king and queen will one day live the king and queen will one day ttwe- — the king and queen will one day ttwe- rrne— the king and queen will one day live- time-it's- live there. time soon. it's a bit shabby inside, isn't it? yeah.i bit shabby inside, isn't it? yeah. i mean, i have i have bit shabby inside, isn't it? - yeah. i mean, i have i have had tne— yeah. i mean, i have i have had tne pnwttete— yeah. i mean, i have i have had the privilege of— yeah. i mean, i have i have had the privilege of being inside on a new— the privilege of being inside on a few occasions. _ the privilege of being inside on a few occasions. and there's a wen— a few occasions. and there's a wen stea— a few occasions. and there's a very clear difference between the very clear difference between tne putte— very clear difference between the public state— very clear difference between the public state rooms and what we see behind— the public state rooms and what we see behind the— the public state rooms and what we see behind the scenes. but atwtausn— we see behind the scenes. but atwtausn tt-s— we see behind the scenes. but obviously it's still— we see behind the scenes. but obviously it's still going tnrautn— obviously it's still going through refurbishment. through a refurbishment. the super—twe- through a refurbishment. the super—live quite. super posh often live quite shabby, posh, super shabby, super posh, super rich, often very shabby look often have a very shabby look about houses. they about their houses. yeah, they had we about their houses. yeah, they nat—we saw- about their houses. yeah, they had _we saw wheni about their houses. yeah, they. had _we saw when the had i remember we saw when the tat— had i remember we saw when the tat tn— had i remember we saw when the mirror got in when— had i remember we saw when the mirror got in when he was the ranat— mirror got in when he was the ranat putter— mirror got in when he was the ranat putter a— mirror got in when he was the royal butler a few— mirror got in when he was the royal butler a few years ago and we saw some of— royal butler a few years ago and we saw some of the— royal butler a few years ago and we saw some of the furniture. rams. — we saw some of the furniture. rams. wean— we saw some of the furniture. 1970s. yeah stuff. _ we saw some of the furniture. 1970s. yeah stuff. and it was so natt— 1970s. yeah stuff. and it was so natt tut— 1970s. yeah stuff. and it was so naff but rather— 1970s. yeah stuff. and it was so naff but rather endearing. yeah, exactn— naff but rather endearing. yeah, exaetn-tne— naff but rather endearing. yeah, exactly the queen, of exactly. and the queen, of eaurseer-n- exactly. and the queen, of course, her tupperware . course, with her tupperware. wean. —nate- course, with her tupperware. wean—mate a| course, with her tupperware.- yeah._made a love of yeah. yeah. which made a love of wnen—us- yeah. yeah. which made a love of wnen—us even- yeah. yeah. which made a love ofi which—us even more which made her love us even more tane— which made her love us even more tane-tne— which made her love us even more done .the people. _ which made her love us even more done the people. “rte“ done with the people. yeah. tnant— done with the people. yeah. tnant nau— done with the people. “rte“ thank you, cameron. right. still to thank you, cameron. right. still ta—tatnt— thank you, cameron. right. still ta—tatntlnawel thank you, cameron. right. stilli to_going.have the to come, we're going to have the wen— to come, we're going to have the wen-as— to come, we're going to have the wen-as tne— to come, we're going to have the wen-as tne caurt- to come, we're going to have the very-as the court of- very latest as the court of appear— very latest as the court of appeat rutes— very latest as the court of appeal rules on- very latest as the court of appeal rules on government's appeal rules on the government's twanta— appeal rules on the government's rwanda-challenge- appeal rules on the government's rwanda-challenge .- appeal rules on the government's rwanda challenge . so stay rwanda policy challenge. so stay tunet— rwanda policy challenge. so stay

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good morning. it's10:oo on tturstaw— good morning. it's10:oo on tnurstan. tne— good morning. it's10:oo on thursday, the 29th- good morning. it's10:oo on thursday, the 29th of- c: g it's10:oo on thursday, the 29th of june. this is thursday, the 29th of june. this ts nrttatn-s— thursday, the 29th of june. this is britain's newsroom on gb news wttn— is britain's newsroom on gb news wttn new— is britain's newsroom on gb news with bev turner— is britain's newsroom on gb news with bev turner and— is britain's newsroom on gb news with bev turner and andrew rteree— with bev turner and andrew rteree ant— with bev turner and andrew pierce and any— with bev turner and andrew pierce and any moment now, it's a ttt— pierce and any moment now, it's a an aent— pierce and any moment now, it's a ttt t . — pierce and any moment now, it's a big moment . �*ftt�*rt; ”rt; a big moment. we're set to receive the latest room from the court appeal on whether the court of appeal on whether the government's policy government's rwanda policy shipping , those shipping those rwanda, those illegal refugees rwanda is illegal refugees to rwanda is legal. yeah a huge story there.

and also one week on from news of and also one week on from news at tne— and also one week on from news of the catastrophic— and also one week on from news of the catastrophic implosion on taart— of the catastrophic implosion on taart tne— of the catastrophic implosion on board the titan— of the catastrophic implosion on board the titan submersible, the us board the titan submersible, the us caasttuart— board the titan submersible, the us coastguard has— board the titan submersible, the us coastguard has begun to satwaae— us coastguard has begun to satwaae tne— us coastguard has begun to salvage the wreckage, including wnat— salvage the wreckage, including wnat tnen-re — salvage the wreckage, including what they're calling presumed nunan— what they're calling presumed human remains.— what they're calling presumed human remains. we'll have all the human remains. we'll have all tne tetatts— human remains. we'll have all the details and— human remains. we'll have all the details and the latest ttnanees— the details and the latest finances for— the details and the latest finances for the king have been reteaset— finances for the king have been released, revealing the monarch - my— released, revealing the monarch . tn wort.— released, revealing the monarch . tn wart. tes— released, revealing the monarch . my word, he's facing- released, revealing the monarch . my word, he's facing the same inflation pains as the rest of us. but i suspect it's not keeping awake at night. inflation is, of course, put pressure on his own expenditure . us . we're also pressure on his own expenditure . us. we're also going to be tatttnt— . us. we're also going to be tatttnt tt— we're also going to be talking to britain's great first onnptan.— talking to britain's great first ever olympian, sir steve tetarawe. — ever olympian, sir steve redgrave. he's down at henley regatta— redgrave. he's down at henley teaatta ant— redgrave. he's down at henley regatta and he's— redgrave. he's down at henley regatta and he's part of a eanpatan— regatta and he's part of a campaign about the state of trttatn-s— campaign about the state of britain's rivers— campaign about the state of britain's rivers on the day that ttwtusn— britain's rivers on the day that obviously thames— britain's rivers on the day that obviously thames water may be attut— obviously thames water may be attut tt— obviously thames water may be about to collapse. _ obviously thames water may be about to collapse. looking ttrwart— about to collapse. looking tenant to— about to collapse. looking forward to talking to him about tnat— forward to talking to him about that extraordinary— forward to talking to him about that extraordinary . rt; tarrrtr“ that extraordinary. he won a tatt— that extraordinary. he won a aatt at— that extraordinary. he won a gold at five consecutive olympics. quite extraordinary . olympics. quite extraordinary. now, the of appeal is

now, the court of appeal is going to rule at any moment now whether the government's plan to deport illegal migrants to rwanda the of rwanda is lawful. the house of lords you only lords i can tell you only yesterday was doing it very best to wreck the legislation. well our home and security editor mark white is live for us now at the royal courts of justice us. good morning, mark. what sort of ttntnts— good morning, mark. what sort of ttntnts-we— good morning, mark. what sort of ttntnts-we-at- good morning, mark. what sort of timings-we-at for- timings are we looking at for tntse— timings are we looking at for tntse-a— timings are we looking at for this?-a central- timings are we looking at for this? a central part? this? such a central part? watt.— this? such a central part? watt. ann— this? such a central part? well, any second- this? such a central part? well, any second now- this? such a central part? well, any second now we're expecting these three senior judges, including the lord chief justice, lord burnett, to deliver their ruling . lord deliver their ruling. lord burnett, we believe, will hand down that ruling in what will be a summarised judge moment. and it is an appeal, an appeal by a human rights charity and by a group of asylum seekers against the government's rwanda policy as i say, we're expecting any second now for a lord burnett to begin delivering that ruling . begin delivering that ruling. and the government, of course,

will be hanging on his every word to determine whether they can push forward with with that policy of sending those asylum seekers off on a one way journey to rwanda to be processed there . but it's unlikely still to be the end of the road. however, this ruling decides , we're this ruling decides, we're actually going into the court right now . we can't hear him, right now. we can't hear him, tut— right now. we can't hear him, tut were— right now. we can't hear him, tut aant— right now. we can't hear him, but we're going to— ”g we can't hear him, but we're going to bring you some volume— but we're going to bring you some volume from the high court. some volume from the hiin court. the some volume from the high court. tne appeat— some volume from the high court. tne appeat stunt.— some volume from the high court. the appeal court, appellants tron— the appeal court, appellants tron syna— the appeal court, appellants from syria, iraq— the appeal court, appellants from syria, iraq ,_ the appeal court, appellants from syria, iraq , iran, vietnam from syria, iraq, iran, vietnam , from syria, iraq, iran, vietnam .sutan— from syria, iraq, iran, vietnam .sutan ant— from syria, iraq, iran, vietnam , sudan and albania to they arrtwet— , sudan and albania to they arrtwet tn— , sudan and albania to they arrived in the— , sudan and albania to they arrived in the united kingdom trreautarn— arrived in the united kingdom trreautarn tn— arrived in the united kingdom irregularly by crossing the tntttsn— irregularly by crossing the english channel from france in snat— english channel from france in snatt teats— english channel from france in small boats in— english channel from france in small boats in the cases of each of small boats in the cases of each at tne— small boats in the cases of each of the appellants— small boats in the cases of each of the appellants ,_ small boats in the cases of each of the appellants , the of the appellants, the government - of the appellants, the government made a decision in tate— government made a decision in tate tran— government made a decision in tate man or— government made a decision in late may or early— government made a decision in late may or early june 2020 to not— late may or early june 2020 to not to— late may or early june 2020 to

not to consider— late may or early june 2020 to not to consider their asylum etatns— not to consider their asylum etatns .— not to consider their asylum etatns . tut— not to consider their asylum claims , but to— not to consider their asylum claims , but to remove them to claims, but to remove them to twanta— claims, but to remove them to twanta .— claims, but to remove them to rwanda , where— claims, but to remove them to rwanda , where their claims would rwanda, where their claims would be rwanda, where their claims would te teettet— rwanda, where their claims would be decided under— rwanda, where their claims would be decided under the rwandan asntun— be decided under the rwandan asntun snsten. — be decided under the rwandan asylum system. those decisions were made in accordance with arranged points between the two governments announced . on the governments announced. on the 14th of april 2022 and contained in a memorandum of understanding and a number of diplomatic notes. verbal they comprised the rwanda agreement on the basis of the assurances from the rwandan government contained in the terms of the rwanda agreement . terms of the rwanda agreement. its term in place and other inquiries carried out by the united kingdom government. rwanda was treated as a safe third country under the relevant provisions of the immigration rules . this is the rwanda policy rules. this is the rwanda policy . see the appellants and other claimants brought proceedings in the high court channel, hinging both the lawfulness of the rwanda policy, generally referred to as the generic

challenge farage and the government's decision specifically to remove each of them to rwanda removals did not go ahead pending the outcome of these proceedings , the central these proceedings, the central issue before the high court and before us was whether the asylum system in rwanda was capable of delivering reliable outcomes . delivering reliable outcomes. the appellants case is that there are substantial grounds for believing that there is a real risk that any person sent to rwanda will be removed to their home country when in fact they have a good claim for asylum . home send them to asylum. home send them to rwanda. in those circumstances would breach article three of the european convention on human rights in that sense, the appellants submitted that rwanda is not a safe third country. the high court, lord justice lewis and mrjustice high court, lord justice lewis and mr justice swift heard those challenges in september and october 20th, 22. it's decision

was handed down on 19 december 20th, 22. in in the case of the individual claimants, the decisions to remove them were quashed on the basis of procedural unfair office. in their particular cases . but the their particular cases. but the court dismissed the generic challenges to the rwanda policy . the appeals to this court are against the high court's decision on the generic challenges. the government has not appealed against the quashing of the decisions in the appellants individual cases and has not yet made any fresh decisions in those or other cases pending the outcome of the appeals . the appeals were argued appeals. the appeals were argued before us over four days between the 24th and the 27th of april 2023. the grounds were numerous and included other legal issues besides the question whether rwanda was a safe third country in the sense we have described ,

in the sense we have described, the court had to consider a great deal of detailed evidence as well as other materials . the as well as other materials. the united nations high commissioner for refugees was permitted to make submissions as an interested party and evidence filed on behalf of the unhcr formed the foundation of much of the appellants . case by the appellants. case by a majority. this court allows the appeal on the issue of whether rwanda is a safe third country. it unanimo tersely dismisses the other grounds , as there is other grounds, as there is a subsidiary question about whether there are substantial grounds for believing that persons sent to rwanda will face a real risk of treatment . a real risk of treatment. contrary to article three in rwanda itself . if, although we rwanda itself. if, although we do not all take the same view on that subsidiary question , the that subsidiary question, the decision of the high court is undisturbed on that point, i, i will now give a very brief summary of the court of appeals

reasons to understand the detail . it is necessary to read the judgements which will be made available in court and online as soon as i have delivered this summary , we the decision of the summary, we the decision of the majority , the master of the majority, the master of the rolls, sir geoffrey vos and lord justice underhill, the vice president of the court of appeal president of the court of appeal, civil division. is that the deficiency is in the asylum system in rwanda are such that there are substantial grounds for believing that there is a real risk that persons sent to rwanda will be returned to their home countries where they face persecution or other inhumane treatment, when in fact that they have a good claim for asylum in that sense, rwanda is not a safe third country. that conclusion is founded on the evidence, which was before the high court, that rwanda system for deciding asylum claims was in the period up to the conclusion of the rwanda agreement, inadequate that the

court is unanimous in accepting that the assurances given by the rwandan government were made in good faith and were intended to address any defects in the asylum process . this, however, asylum process. this, however, the majority believes that the evidence does not establish that the necessary changes had by then been reliably effected or would have been at the time of the proposed removal, as in consequence sending anyone to rwanda would constitute a breach of article three of the european convention on human rights. which parliament has required the government to comply with . the government to comply with. in agreement with the high court. i have reached the opposite conclusion . i agree opposite conclusion. i agree that the procedure was put in place under the rwandan agreement and the assurances given by the rwanda government are sufficient to ensure that there is no real risk that asylum seekers relocated id under the rwanda policy will be

wrongly returned to countries where they face persecution or other inhumane treatment. i have concluded that the chances of failed asylum seekers being returned to their countries of origin are, in any event, low. not least because rwanda has no agreements in place with any of the countries in question. then, in addition, extends live monitoring arrangements, formal and informal. of all those sent to rwanda and of their asylum claims. once there provide powerful protection. i take the view that the arrangements put in place provide sufficient safeguards in a context where both governments will be determined to make the agreement work and be seen to do so . as work and be seen to do so. as for the grounds on which the appellants have been unsuccessful , all i can unsuccessful, all i can summarise our reasoning are as follows. one. the effect of the refugee convention, article 31 of the refugee convention does not in principle prevent the

united kingdom from removing asylum seekers to a safe third country to retained eu law. eu law only permits asylum seekers to be removed to a safe third country if they have some connection to that country . none connection to that country. none of the appellants has any connection to rwanda . however, connection to rwanda. however, the court holds that the that that requirement has ceased to be part of united kingdom law as a result of the provisions of the immigration and social security cooperation eu withdrawal act 2020, which is part of the legislation dealing with the consequences of the uk's withdrawal from the european union three designation as a safe third country schedule three to the asylum and immigration treatment of claimants act 2004 allows the government , as long claimants act 2004 allows the government, as long as it obtains parliamentary approval

to designate particular countries as safe. the government did not, in these cases, make use of those procedures. instead it proceeded by giving guidance to caseworkers for application in individual decision in the court holds that it was not unlawful for it to proceed in that way . for it to proceed in that way. for data protection. did decisions to remove individuals to rwanda are not themselves invalidated by any breaches of the data protection legislation . elation which it is alleged would or might occur in the course or in consequence of their removal . five. fair use of their removal. five. fair use of procedures . asylum aid submitted procedures. asylum aid submitted that the procedures by which the government decided whether to relocate individual asylum seekers to rwanda were inherently unfair. in particular because of the short timetable applying to representations

seeking to resist removal . the seeking to resist removal. the court rejects that submission, but it holds that some aspects of the high court's reasoning cannot be supported and that the government needs to give guidance to caseworkers emphasising the importance of flexibility in granting extensions to the time limits where fairness requires the result is that the high court's decision that rwanda was a safe third country is reversed and that unless and until the deficiencies in its asylum processes are corrected, removal of asylum seekers to rwanda will be unlawful . finally, i should be unlawful. finally, i should make clear that our decision implies no view whatever about the political merits or otherwise of the rwanda policy. those are entirely a matter for the government on which the court has nothing to say. our concern is only whether the policy complies with the law as laid down by parliament. okay, well, that's lord burnett-

r: : okay, well, that's lord burnett of watttn. — well, that's lord burnett of watttn. ne— well, that's lord burnett of maldon. he is— well, that's lord burnett of maldon. he is the lord chief tusttee— maldon. he is the lord chief tusttee tt— maldon. he is the lord chief justice of england and wales, tettwertnt— justice of england and wales, delivering his— justice of england and wales, delivering his verdict that it appears— delivering his verdict that it appears tne— delivering his verdict that it appears the rwanda policy, a big tttw— appears the rwanda policy, a big tttw tor— appears the rwanda policy, a big tttw tor tne— appears the rwanda policy, a big blow for the government is untawtut— blow for the government is unlawful. we're— blow for the government is unlawful. we're going to go stratant— unlawful. we're going to go strattnt tt— unlawful. we're going to go straight to white, our home straight to mark white, our home seeurtn— straight to mark white, our home seeurttn-wnt — straight to mark white, our home security-wholat- straight to mark white, our home security-who . at the - security editor, who is at the tnat— security editor, who is at the tnat courts— security editor, who is at the royal courts of— security editor, who is at the royal courts of justice. mark watt.— royal courts of justice. mark watt. ttts— royal courts of justice. mark watt. ttts ts— royal courts of justice. mark well, this is no— royal courts of justice. mark well, this is no doubt- royal courts of justice. mark well, this is no doubt a- royal courts of justice. mark well, this is no doubt a very significant blow for the government, in effect reverses that decision, made by the high court in december of last year , court in december of last year, saying that the government's policy to send asylum seekers off to rwanda for processing was lawful . so the judge judges lawful. so the judge judges handing down their ruling now saying that they believe the deficiencies within the rwandan asylum system mean that that is not a safe third country to send asylum seekers to. and it says , asylum seekers to. and it says, and you heard lord barnett, the lord chief justice, right at the

end saying unless and until the rwandan government addresses those deficiencies within its asylum system, then any move by the uk government to send asylum seekers to that east african country three would be unlawful , lawful. so a very big blow for rishi sunak and his policy of stopping the boats suella braverman , of course as well, braverman, of course as well, has been in rwanda to see just what the rwandan government was doing to accommodate that those asylum seekers that the government hopes still hopes to send there at some point. now let's just see what the government does. i think it's almost certain that the government will try to appeal this decision by the court of appeal. it may then be an appeal to the supreme court , perhaps in to the supreme court, perhaps in league with the rwandan

government. they look as a matter of urgency to address these deficiencies that have been highlighted by the court of appeal here before moving to any kind of appeal at the supreme court . it's all up kind of appeal at the supreme court. it's all up in the air as i say, this is a very signal, significant defeat for the government who were on course following that high court ruling to have this policy agreed as lawful. and at some point , lawful. and at some point, although they wanted to expand all of the legal proceedings and that would have entailed no matter how this went today, probably an appeal to the supreme court and perhaps unlikely that the first flights would take off up until much later this year. if not early next year anyway . but now it's next year anyway. but now it's all up in the air and i don't mean the flights to rwanda . the mean the flights to rwanda. the government is going to have to have a rethink, decide what it's

doing. and we expect to hear from the government in the minutes ahead as soon as we do that, we'll bring that to you. mark, do we know what the what the deficiencies— mark, do we know what the what the deficiencies is— mark, do we know what the what the deficiencies is that the appeat— the deficiencies is that the appeat court— the deficiencies is that the appeal court judges have identified— appeal court judges have identified in— appeal court judges have identified in rwanda's asylum appears— identified in rwanda's asylum appeats asntun— identified in rwanda's asylum appeals asylum system? what are tnese— appeals asylum system? what are these deficiencies— appeals asylum system? what are these deficiencies ? “rte“ appeals asylum system? what are these deficiencies ? “rte" ”rt; these deficiencies? yeah, we're reading through this long and complex judgement now to try to determine exactly what these deficient cases are. this was just a summary judgement that was read out. so really just highlighting the fact that they believe that the asylum system and the processes is in place in asylum form in the rwanda , an asylum form in the rwanda, an asylum form in the rwanda, an asylum system are not robust enough to ensure that anyone is sent to rwanda would be properly safeguarded and therefore anyone going to that country would clearly be that would be in

breach. the lord chief justice said of their human rights under the un convention on human rights. so a bitter blow for the government . but clearly those government. but clearly those asylum seekers and the charity cases that have been backing them will be celebrating today . them will be celebrating today. they will feel that it absolutely from their point of view, cements the idea that they had put forward that the government of rwanda did not provide a safe environment for asylum seekers to be sent to that east african country precisely because of the deficiencies. as i say, we're looking at what is a complex judgement . we'll try to bring judgement. we'll try to bring you a bit more detail on what those deficiencies might be, but suffice it to say rwanda , suffice it to say rwanda, according to the court of appeal

, is not a safe country to send asylum seekers from the uk to. okay, thank you so much, mark wne— okay, thank you so much, mark we were— okay, thank you so much, mark white. there we're— okay, thank you so much, mark white. there we're going to talk tt— white. there we're going to talk to tt— white. there we're going to talk now to one of those people who want— now to one of those people who ntant te— now to one of those people who might be celebrating, steve valdez—symonds from amnesty international.— valdez—symonds from amnesty international. good morning, stewe— international. good morning, stewe- tott— international. good morning, steve. good morning. good ntrntna— steve. good morning. good ntrntnt .— steve. good morning. good ntrntnt . r— steve. good morning. good morning . i suppose to you this morning. i suppose to you this means common sense has triumphed . watt.— means common sense has triumphed . watt. r— means common sense has triumphed . watt. r tape— means common sense has triumphed . watt. r tape sa— means common sense has triumphed . well, i hope so, but— means common sense has triumphed . well, i hope so, but of— means common sense has triumphed . well, i hope so, but of course the government may yet seek permission to appeal to the supreme court and this may trundle on for some considerable time or the government may go back to the rwandan government and try and see what can be done to address whatever are the particular deficiencies that have concern turned the court of appeal have concern turned the court of appeal, amnesty is position is quite clear. this a country like even— quite clear. this a country like even otter— quite clear. this a country like every other has— c. t this a country like every other has obligations to petpte— every other has obligations to petpte wtt— every other has obligations to people who seek— every other has obligations to people who seek asylum. rwanda atreatn— people who seek asylum. rwanda atreatn nests— people who seek asylum. rwanda already hosts more— people who seek asylum. rwanda already hosts more refugees than do already hosts more refugees than to — already hosts more refugees than to we— already hosts more refugees than do we. we should— already hosts more refugees than do we. we should take our responsibilities— do we. we should take our responsibilities just as expect

otters— responsibilities just as expect ttnerstt— responsibilities just as expect ttners to to— responsibilities just as expect others to do so,— responsibilities just as expect others to do so, including poorer— others to do so, including poorer ant— others to do so, including poorer and less- others to do so, including poorer and less stable. and i'm sonn— poorer and less stable. and i'm sorn to— poorer and less stable. and i'm sorn to saw.— poorer and less stable. and i'm sorn to san. tess— poorer and less stable. and i'm sorry to say, less safe. countries— sorry to say, less safe. countries such as rwanda. ttere-s— countries such as rwanda. ttere-s great— countries such as rwanda. there's great scepticism, though, steve, as you know, as to how many of those young men coming across the channel are asylum seekers predominantly young men in their 30s, they there's strong suspicion many of them are economic migrants. well, all we can do is look at tne— well, all we can do is look at tne tata— well, all we can do is look at the data that— well, all we can do is look at the data that the— well, all we can do is look at the data that the home office ootteet— the data that the home office eotteet ant— the data that the home office collect and presents and the erect— collect and presents and the etteet ot— collect and presents and the effect of the _ collect and presents and the effect of the decisions that it aest — effect of the decisions that it makes. having— effect of the decisions that it makes. having considered the trans— makes. having considered the etatns ts— makes. having considered the claims is when— makes. having considered the claims is when and if it does ant— claims is when and if it does ant att— claims is when and if it does so. and all of— claims is when and if it does so. and all of that data demonstrates- so. and all of that data demonstrates that the great nap-onw— demonstrates that the great natorttn ot— demonstrates that the great majority of people who have rosset— majority of people who have rosset tne— majority of people who have crossed the channel over recent nears— crossed the channel over recent nears nave— crossed the channel over recent nears nawe teen— crossed the channel over recent years have been refugees . years have been refugees. tnen-we— years have been refugees. they've nearly— years have been refugees. they've nearly all been people seettnt— they've nearly all been people seeking asylum _ they've nearly all been people seeking asylum ,_ they've nearly all been people seeking asylum , um, as to seeking asylum, um, as to wnetner— seeking asylum, um, as to whether they've been entitled to it, whether they've been entitled to t. tne— whether they've been entitled to it, the evidence— whether they've been entitled to it, the evidence shows the great nap-onw— it, the evidence shows the great natorttn are— it, the evidence shows the great natorttn . — it, the evidence shows the great majority are . so— it, the evidence shows the great majority are . majority are. so what is the solution for you then? steve i

mean, do you have a number in mind of refugees that you feel we should take every year? no what amnesty has in mind is what the what amnesty has in mind is what tne tetuaee— what amnesty has in mind is what the refugee convention requires of the refugee convention requires ot att— the refugee convention requires ot att states— the refugee convention requires of all states and— the refugee convention requires of all states and what this oountn— of all states and what this country seems— of all states and what this country seems to require still of country seems to require still ot tne— country seems to require still of the french— country seems to require still of the french and— country seems to require still of the french and the italian is not:— of the french and the italian is not. tet— of the french and the italian is not, let alone— of the french and the italian is not, let alone the— of the french and the italian is not, let alone the rawang atten-s— not, let alone the rawang aiden's and— not, let alone the rawang aiden's and everybody else is tnat— aiden's and everybody else is tnat tne— aiden's and everybody else is that the people _ aiden's and everybody else is that the people who make a trans— that the people who make a etatns tor— that the people who make a claims for asylum in your oountn— claims for asylum in your country ought— claims for asylum in your country ought to have those etatns— country ought to have those claims determined. and if they are claims determined. and if they retuaees— claims determined. and if they retuaees .— claims determined. and if they are refugees , be— claims determined. and if they are refugees , be permitted to are refugees, be permitted to stay.— are refugees, be permitted to stay. ant— are refugees, be permitted to stay. ant tt— are refugees, be permitted to stay. and if we _ are refugees, be permitted to stay. and if we did that, not own— stay. and if we did that, not onn woutt— stay. and if we did that, not only would our— stay. and if we did that, not only would our asylum system wort— only would our asylum system wort nuan— only would our asylum system work much more— only would our asylum system work much more cost effectively ant— work much more cost effectively ant aetuatn— work much more cost effectively and actually we'd _ work much more cost effectively and actually we'd still end up reeetwtnt— and actually we'd still end up reeetwtnt tar— and actually we'd still end up receiving far fewer refugees tnan— receiving far fewer refugees tnan nost— receiving far fewer refugees than most of— receiving far fewer refugees than most of our european netantours— than most of our european netantours .— than most of our european neighbours , let alone countries neighbours, let alone countries etsewnere— neighbours, let alone countries etsewnere . — neighbours, let alone countries elsewhere . but— neighbours, let alone countries elsewhere . t neighbours, let alone countries elsewhere. neighbours, let alone countries elsewhere . elsewhere. but steve, a lot of people again will say, hang on there in france is a safe country. they've been in france for some time. if they're genuinely fleeing asylum, why don't they stay in france? a peaceful country, a civilised

country? it's fuels the suspicion they're coming to britain because they think they're going to have a better life here. it's nothing to do with asylum. it's i'm really sorn— with asylum. it's i'm really sorn to— with asylum. it's i'm really sorn to saw.— with asylum. it's i'm really sorry to say, it's— it's i'm really sorry to say, it's rather an east— sorry to say, it's rather an east ant— sorry to say, it's rather an easy and comfortable position, tsn-t— easy and comfortable position, tsn-t rt.— easy and comfortable position, tsn-t tt. tor— easy and comfortable position, isn't it, for people— easy and comfortable position, isn't it, for people in the uk to tate— isn't it, for people in the uk to take when— isn't it, for people in the uk to take when france already receives so many more people tnto— receives so many more people tnto tts— receives so many more people tnto tts snsten— receives so many more people into its system and protects so nann— into its system and protects so many more refugees than do we? neopre— many more refugees than do we? reopte wno— many more refugees than do we? people who come— many more refugees than do we? people who come here include peopte— people who come here include peopte wno— people who come here include people who have— people who come here include people who have family and connections— people who have family and connections here, not in france . us— connections here, not in france . us wn— connections here, not in france . us wnn on— connections here, not in france . us why on earth— connections here, not in france . us why on earth should they not mate— . us why on earth should they not make their— . us why on earth should they not make their asylum claims wnere— not make their asylum claims wnere tnen— not make their asylum claims where they will— not make their asylum claims where they will be safe with tnetr— where they will be safe with tnetr tantn— where they will be safe with their family and _ where they will be safe with their family and connections ? so their family and connections? so why— their family and connections? so wnn ton-t— their family and connections? so wnn ton-t we— their family and connections? so why don't we just— their family and connections? so why don't we just pull up our our sleeves and— why don't we just pull up our our sleeves and get on with the job our sleeves and get on with the tot ot— our sleeves and get on with the tot or tattnt— our sleeves and get on with the job of taking the— our sleeves and get on with the job of taking the rather limited by job of taking the rather limited tn opartson— job of taking the rather limited by comparison responsibilities tnat— by comparison responsibilities tnat are— by comparison responsibilities tnat ewer— by comparison responsibilities that are ever asked of us? i'm wau— that are ever asked of us? i'm sure you would _ that are ever asked of us? i'm sure you would agree with us, though, that nobody wants thousands of people getting on those boats to come across the channel every day in the summer. we're going see and we're going to see dozens and dozens per you don't want dozens per day. you don't want that. we don't want that . so

that. we don't want that. so what the solution ? well, what is the solution? well, there's an easy 7 well, there's an easy solution to that tnat— there's an easy solution to that tnat nas— there's an easy solution to that one that has once— there's an easy solution to that one that has once over the last rust— one that has once over the last tust over— one that has once over the last tust zo— one that has once over the last just over 20 years— one that has once over the last just over 20 years been applied by a— just over 20 years been applied tn a trtttsn— just over 20 years been applied by a british government with the tenan— by a british government with the french government. and that is for french government. and that is tor ttts— french government. and that is for this country— french government. and that is for this country to _ french government. and that is for this country to say to the trenen. — for this country to say to the french, some— for this country to say to the french, some of— for this country to say to the french, some of the people on nour— french, some of the people on your terrtton— french, some of the people on your territory, we _ french, some of the people on your territory, we can receive two— your territory, we can receive tnto our— your territory, we can receive into our system— your territory, we can receive into our system and help share some responsibility with you and aven— some responsibility with you and a wen toot— some responsibility with you and a wen aoot ptaee— some responsibility with you and a very good place to start would be a very good place to start would te ttenttntna— a very good place to start would be identifying the— a very good place to start would be identifying the people who do nave— be identifying the people who do have connections— be identifying the people who do have connections here and prowtttnt— have connections here and providing routes for them into our providing routes for them into snsten— providing routes for them into our system rather than them rentnt— our system rather than them rentna on— our system rather than them relying on smugglers. our system rather than them relying on smugglers . relying on smugglers. okay, stewe— relying on smugglers. okay, steve valdez—symonds from amnesty international . well, of amnesty international. well, of course, steve makes— amnesty international. well, of course, steve makes the- well, of course, steve makes the point tnat— course, steve makes the point tnat tane— course, steve makes the point that france takes— course, steve makes the point that france takes many more retutees— that france takes many more refugees. france _ that france takes many more refugees. france landmass is tnree— refugees. france landmass is tnree tnes— refugees. france landmass is three times the— refugees. france landmass is three times the size of britain ant— three times the size of britain ant tt— three times the size of britain ant tt nas— three times the size of britain and it has the— three times the size of britain and it has the same population, if and it has the same population, tt not— and it has the same population, tt not een— and it has the same population, tt not a— and it has the same population, if not even a smaller poputatton- if not even a smaller population. so i think we're torna— population. so i think we're totna none— population. so i think we're doing more than our fair share. i doing more than our fair share. r tntnt. — doing more than our fair share. r tntnt. so— doing more than our fair share. i think. so we're— doing more than our fair share. i think. so we're going to go tast— i think. so we're going to go taet to— i think. so we're going to go taet to tne— i think. so we're going to go back to the high— i think. so we're going to go back to the high court because ttts— back to the high court because tnts ts— back to the high court because

this islseismic_ back to the high court because this is seismic moment, this is a seismic moment, teause— this is a seismic moment, teause tne— this is a seismic moment, because the rwanda policy has teen— because the rwanda policy has been-unlawful- because the rwanda policy has been-unlawful by- because the rwanda policy has been unlawful by the court been ruled unlawful by the court of been ruled unlawful by the court or appeat. — been ruled unlawful by the court of appeal. there's— been ruled unlawful by the court of appeal. there's the high court— of appeal. there's the high court-tt— of appeal. there's the high court-it was- of appeal. there's the high court it was legally lawful court said it was legally lawful . tne— court said it was legally lawful . tne court— court said it was legally lawful . tne court ot— court said it was legally lawful . the court of appeal said it tnt— . the court of appeal said it tsn-t. wart— . the court of appeal said it isn't. mark white is our home seeurttn— isn't. mark white is our home security editor— isn't. mark white is our home security editor who's the security editor who's at the tran— security editor who's at the wan-wart.— security editor who's at the high mark, we've just high court. mark, we've just teen— high court. mark, we've just teen-to— high court. mark, we've just been to amnesty been talking to amnesty international— been talking to amnesty. international-well, been talking to amnesty- international-well, you international who say, well, you tnow—tatei know, we've just got to take more, more, more and more, more ant— more, more, more and more, more ant-retutees— more, more, more and more, more ant-retuaees .— more, more, more and more, more ant-retuaees. — more, more, more and more, more and-refugees . well,- more, more, more and more, more and refugees. rattle «wilt? and more refugees. well, yes. ant— and more refugees. well, yes. ant r— and more refugees. well, yes. and i think many people in this country would certainly disagree with that particular viewpoint . with that particular viewpoint. but of course, any move to send people claiming asylum in this country to a third country has to be lawful. and the end of the day, the government wants to follow the rule of law. and on this occasion , the court of this occasion, the court of appeal has ruled that that policy is unlawful . and now, policy is unlawful. and now, interestingly , it's worth interestingly, it's worth pointing out there were 3—3 appeal court judges handed down this decision today. lord

burnett, the lord chief justice. this was a man who we heard reading out that judgement . and reading out that judgement. and we should say as well that he disagreed with the other two judges. that was the master of the rolls and lord justice underhill , who decided that the underhill, who decided that the policy of the government was unlawful . but the lord chief unlawful. but the lord chief justice and we heard him as he was reading out the judgement, said that he believed the risk to asylum seekers are being sent to asylum seekers are being sent to rwanda and being effectively sent back to that country as a current country of origin. the risks of this were low, he actually sided with the high court decision that was made back in december of last year that the government's policy was lawful . but it that the government's policy was lawful. but it is that the government's policy was lawful . but it is three

that the government's policy was lawful. but it is three appeal court judges , the majority rules court judges, the majority rules and those two other appeal court judges have ruled that this is a policy that is unlawful . so now policy that is unlawful. so now we await the reaction from the prime minister, rishi sunak, who has, of course, said throughout about that the rwanda policy is about that the rwanda policy is a crucial element to his plans to stop the boat boats. it's not all, of course, hinging on rwanda. the government has always argued that rwanda is not always argued that rwanda is not a silver bullet in and of itself, that there are other aspects that will ultimately they believe , stop the boats they believe, stop the boats such as a greater cooperation action with france . and that, of action with france. and that, of course, includes controversial many millions of pounds of extra uk tax payers money going to france to help them fight and tackle the people smugglers on that side of the channel okay,

thank you very much,- r:rt. “ okay, thank you very much, mark. mark wntte— thank you very much, mark. mark wntte tnere. — thank you very much, mark. mark white there. huge— thank you very much, mark. mark white there. huge news that that the white there. huge news that that tne twanta — white there. huge news that that the rwanda policy— white there. huge news that that the rwanda policy ruled unlawful full the rwanda policy ruled unlawful tutt at— the rwanda policy ruled unlawful tutt at tne— the rwanda policy ruled unlawful full at the high— the rwanda policy ruled unlawful full at the high court. we will full at the hiin court. we will no full at the high court. we will no toutt— full at the high court. we will no toutt tet— full at the high court. we will no doubt get responses from pottttetans— no doubt get responses from politicians this— no doubt get responses from politicians this afternoon. were— politicians this afternoon. were torna— politicians this afternoon. we're going to- politicians this afternoon. we're going to be also discussing— we're going to be also discussing in- we're going to be also discussing in this show still a lot discussing in this show still a tot to— discussing in this show still a tot to past— discussing in this show still a tot to past tn— discussing in this show still a lot to pack in this morning. wteota— lot to pack in this morning. nicola sturgeon's appearance at the nicola sturgeon's appearance at tne covrt— nicola sturgeon's appearance at the covm inquiry. _ nicola sturgeon's appearance at the covid inquiry. we'll have tnat—we-wel that with neil oliver. we've atso— that with neil oliver. we've atso-stewe- that with neil oliver. we've also steve redgrave. also got sir steve redgrave. nes— also got sir steve redgrave. nes-to— also got sir steve redgrave. ne-s-to-tol also got sir steve redgrave.| he's-to-to talk he's going to be here to talk atout— he's going to be here to talk atout tne— he's going to be here to talk about the state— he's going to be here to talk about the state of britain's -90_

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asylum aid to challenge the teetston— asylum aid to challenge the teetston .— asylum aid to challenge the decision . presiding judge lord decision. presiding judge lord turnett— decision. presiding judge lord turnett sart— decision. presiding judge lord burnett said asylum seekers were at rtst— burnett said asylum seekers were at rtst ot— burnett said asylum seekers were at risk of inhumane— burnett said asylum seekers were at risk of inhumane treatment at etttetenetes— at risk of inhumane treatment at efficiencies in— at risk of inhumane treatment at efficiencies in the— at risk of inhumane treatment at efficiencies in the asylum snsten — efficiencies in the asylum snsten tn— efficiencies in the asylum system in rwanda. ' ”rt; 5.rt system in rwanda. are such that there are substantial grounds for believing that there is a real risk that persons sent to rwanda will be returned to their home countries where they face persecution or other inhumane treatment, when in fact they have a good claim for asylum in that sense, rwanda is not a safe third country. boris johnson's attes— third country. boris johnson's atttes nawe— third country. boris johnson's allies have been— ”r: t borisjohnson's allies have been criticised by tne— allies have been criticised by the privileges— allies have been criticised by the privileges committee for wnat— the privileges committee for wnat tt— the privileges committee for what it describes as undermining the what it describes as undermining tne nouse— what it describes as undermining tne nouse ot— what it describes as undermining the house of commons procedures . rnen— the house of commons procedures . rnen tnetute— the house of commons procedures . they include nadine dorries, sir . they include nadine dorries, srr raeot— . they include nadine dorries, sir jacob rees—mogg and priti sirjacob rees—mogg and priti ratet— sirjacob rees—mogg and priti rater .— sirjacob rees—mogg and priti rater . rne— sirjacob rees—mogg and priti patel . the privileges committee patel. the privileges committee report— patel. the privileges committee report two— patel. the privileges committee report two weeks— patel. the privileges committee report two weeks ago found the toner— report two weeks ago found the tonne rnrne— report two weeks ago found the former prime minister had repeatetn— former prime minister had repeatedly misled parliament cowtt— repeatedly misled parliament over covid breaches in number ten ant— over covid breaches in number ten and households are being atwtset— ten and households are being atwtset to— ten and households are being advised to submit metre readings

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and the ftse 100 is. at 7491 potnts. — and the ftse 100 is. at 7491 points. direct— and the ftse 100 is. at 7491 points. “j ”rt;rt.t and the ftse 100 is. at 7491 points. t ”rt.rt. ttt" points. direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news investments that matter . good investments that matter. good morning. welcome back.- good morning. welcome back. it is toss.— morning. welcome back. it is tons. ttts— morning. welcome back. it is tons. rnts ts— morning. welcome back. it is 1033. this is britain's newsroom. - 1033. this is britain's newsroom. you have been getting in newsroom. you have been getting tn toutt— newsroom. you have been getting tn touen ttts— newsroom. you have been getting in touch this morning. people are in touch this morning. people tneenset— in touch this morning. people are incensed about rwanda. cit” are incensed about rwanda. of tten— are incensed about rwanda. of course they are,— are incensed about rwanda. of course they are, because- are incensed about rwanda. cit” course they are, because if you're just tuning in, the court of appeal has ruled the policy of appeal has ruled the policy of people rwanda is of shipping people to rwanda is unlawful . and it was a split unlawful. and it was a split decision. two judges said unlawful. one said it was lawful. we expect the government will we haven't will appeal, but we haven't heard the heard anything from the government a huge government yet. but it's a huge blow the government's entire blow and the government's entire migration now migration policy now is a shambles. that's right. and obviously a shambles- ”g and obviously a shambles anyway. it's obviously a shambles anyway. rt-s-on— obviously a shambles anyway. rt-s-on tne— obviously a shambles anyway. it's-on the idea- obviously a shambles anyway. it's on the idea that the it's based on the idea that the ruttnt— it's based on the idea that the ruttnt-tne— it's based on the idea that the ruling-the fact- it's based on the idea that the ruling the fact that they ruling was on the fact that they souttn-t— ruling was on the fact that they couldn't _ safety. ruling was on the fact that theyi couldn't _ safety of couldn't guarantee the safety of asntun— couldn't guarantee the safety of asylum seekers— couldn't guarantee the safety of asylum seekers in— couldn't guarantee the safety of asylum seekers in rwanda. they tttn-t— asylum seekers in rwanda. they tttn-t teet— asylum seekers in rwanda. they didn't feel they— asylum seekers in rwanda. they didn't feel they had assurances tron— didn't feel they had assurances| from—government. didn't feel they had assurances. from—government. so from the rwandan government. so as wart— from the rwandan government. so as rrart wetss— from the rwandan government. so as mark weiss explained, it may be as mark weiss explained, it may te-towernnent- as mark weiss explained, it may be government back be that our government go back to-san— be that our government go back to-san .— be that our government go back to-san . can— be that our government go back to-san . can nou- to theirs to say, can you sort ttts— to theirs to say, can you sort tnts oute — to theirs to say, can you sort this out? .it's- to theirs to say, can you sort this out? .it's ironic,- to theirs to say, can you sort this out? t ”ttt" rt. t this out? but it's ironic, isn't it? so they'll continue to put across the channel, which is not safe , could kill them. but the

safe, could kill them. but the court appeal decided that court of appeal decided that rwanda even less safe. so rwanda is even less safe. so gary has said the only- t so gary has said the only option teaattn— gary has said the only option teaattn ts— gary has said the only option now legally is to— gary has said the only option now legally is to turn the boats tast— now legally is to turn the boats taet tn— now legally is to turn the boats taet tn tne— now legally is to turn the boats back in the channel 'r: back in the channel and this. gary— back in the channel and this. nan. nan.— back in the channel and this. gary, gary, another gary here says, we may as well not bother with border control anymore. and absolute disgraceful decision , absolute disgraceful decision, peter says. so the taxpayers have to pay for decisions against this interest. the decision now means the so—called safe countries are obliged to take any refugees from anywhere. so the 100 million of displaced cannot be rejected . michael dave cannot be rejected. michael dave has cannot be rejected. michael dave nas aetuattn— cannot be rejected. michael dave has actually said— t t: michael dave has actually said absolutely trttttant— has actually said absolutely brilliant news— has actually said absolutely brilliant news coming out of the soun— brilliant news coming out of the court ot— brilliant news coming out of the out or appeat. — brilliant news coming out of the court of appeal. that seems to be court of appeal. that seems to te an— court of appeal. that seems to be an exception.— court of appeal. that seems to be an exception. michael has sart— be an exception. michael has satt .— be an exception. michael has satt . tet-s— be an exception. michael has said . let's hope— be an exception. michael has said . let's hope this is another said. let's hope this is another natt— said. let's hope this is another natt tn— said. let's hope this is another natt tn tne— said. let's hope this is another nail in the coffin— said. let's hope this is another nail in the coffin of this ridiculous— nail in the coffin of this ridiculous policy. no, another tn— ridiculous policy. no, another tn support— ridiculous policy. no, another one in support of— ridiculous policy. no, another one in support of it. ridiculous policy. no, another one in support of it . and he one in support of it. and he sans— one in support of it. and he sans tne— one in support of it. and he says the royal— one in support of it. and he says the royal courts of justice rust— says the royal courts of justice tust mate— says the royal courts of justice just made £170— says the royal courts of justice just made £170 million plus spent— just made £170 million plus spent on— just made £170 million plus spent on rwanda a waste of onen — spent on rwanda a waste of onen wnat-s— spent on rwanda a waste of money. what's the point of a government— money. what's the point of a government that— money. what's the point of a government that can be overruled by government that can be overruled tn tne— government that can be overruled tn tne counse— government that can be overruled by the courts? typical spend taapaners— by the courts? typical spend taxpayers money, then see if rts— taxpayers money, then see if tt-s-or— taxpayers money, then see if tt-s-ornot. — taxpayers money, then see if it's-or not. to- taxpayers money, then see if it's-or not. to be-

taxpayers money, then see if it's or not. ” taxpayers money, then see if. it's-or not. to be fair to it's legal or not. to be fair to the government, of course, the high court did say it was legal and now the court of appeal said it hasn't. we can now talk to immigration lawyer singh immigration lawyer hojjat singh bongo, now. hojjat, bongo, who joins us now. hojjat, morning to you. what's your reasoning here? a split decision , but it's a decision nevertheless, that it's an unlawful policy. do you agree ? unlawful policy. do you agree? well, i think, first of all, we nave— well, i think, first of all, we nawe to— well, i think, first of all, we have to look— well, i think, first of all, we have to look at— well, i think, first of all, we have to look at what the court satt. — have to look at what the court satt. so— have to look at what the court satt. so tne— have to look at what the court said. so the last— have to look at what the court said. so the last court, we know tne— said. so the last court, we know tne uran— said. so the last court, we know tne ntan court— said. so the last court, we know the high court agreed that it tawtut. — the high court agreed that it was lawful. now, there's been a spttt— was lawful. now, there's been a spttt teetston— was lawful. now, there's been a split decision where the judges spttt— split decision where the judges were split and— split decision where the judges were split and you know, some santna— were split and you know, some santna tnat— were split and you know, some saying that actually the government _ saying that actually the government right, it's government were right, it's tawtut— government were right, it's tawtut. tut— government were right, it's lawful, but the _ government were right, it's lawful, but the majority saying, no, lawful, but the majority saying, nolneets— lawful, but the majority saying, nolneets to— lawful, but the majority saying, no,.needs to be— lawful, but the majority saying, no, needs to be rehashed in no, it needs to be rehashed in it no, it needs to be rehashed in t ant— no, it needs to be rehashed in t ant-tot— no, it needs to be rehashed in t ant-tot to— no, it needs to be rehashed in it and got to remember, it and we've got to remember, tnen-re— it and we've got to remember, tnen-re-tn— it and we've got to remember, tnen-re-tn rts- it and we've got to remember, they're in its current they're saying in its current torn.— they're saying in its current torn. so— they're saying in its current form. so that— they're saying in its current form. so that means the government— form. so that means the government haven't played this natt— government haven't played this rttnt .— government haven't played this nant . tnen— government haven't played this right . they haven't got the right. they haven't got the tent— right. they haven't got the nant regat— right. they haven't got the right legal advice . they did the right legal advice. they did the poten— right legal advice. they did the potten rtst— right legal advice. they did the policy first and— right legal advice. they did the policy first and then thought, wett— policy first and then thought, wet-tn— policy first and then thought, wett-tn ant— policy first and then thought, well, try and push it to well, let's try and push it to tt— well, let's try and push it to tt rts— well, let's try and push it to see if it's legal— well, let's try and push it to see if it's legal or not really . rts— see if it's legal or not really . it's almost— see if it's legal or not really . it's almost like— see if it's legal or not really . it's almost like a blag or a trunn— . it's almost like a blag or a ttutt. rnen— . it's almost like a blag or a bluff. they thought, you know wnat— bluff. they thought, you know wnat. wee— bluff. they thought, you know what, we're going try and what, we're going to try and trag— what, we're going to try and ttaa-wan— what, we're going to try and blag way through this blag our way through this and

wee-ee tt- blag our way through this and we're-see if it's- blag our way through this and we're see if it's legal we're going to see if it's legal or not.— we're going to see if it's legal or not. as— we're going to see if it's legal or not. as opposed to proper, you— or not. as opposed to proper, nou tnow— or not. as opposed to proper, you know, preparation run it past— you know, preparation run it past ten— you know, preparation run it past their own— you know, preparation run it past their own lawyers first, run—tuttes- past their own lawyers first,| run _judges first. run it past some judges first. wtt— run it past some judges first. wttt ttts— run it past some judges first. will this hold— run it past some judges first. will this hold or— run it past some judges first. will this hold or not? if it toesn-t— will this hold or not? if it doesn't hold— will this hold or not? if it doesn't hold ,— will this hold or not? if it doesn't hold , then back to doesn't hold, then we go back to the doesn't hold, then we go back to tne-toart— doesn't hold, then we go back to tne-toart ant- doesn't hold, then we go back to the board and prepare the drawing board and prepare a poten— the drawing board and prepare a potten. so— the drawing board and prepare a new policy. so now we're protattn— new policy. so now we're probably expecting this afternoon _ probably expecting this afternoon for suella braverman to—aotntl afternoon for suella bravermani to—aotna to to announce that she's going to appear— to announce that she's going to appeat—to- to announce that she's going to appeat—to 90. appeal this. it's going to go runner— appeal this. it's going to go turtne .— appeal this. it's going to go further .idon't_ appeal this. it's going to go further . don't expect any further. i don't expect any trttts— further. i don't expect any tttants to— further. i don't expect any flights to take— further. i don't expect any flights to take off year . flights to take off this year. tarant— flights to take off this year. rrtant not— flights to take off this year. might not even— flights to take off this year. might not even get up and runntnt— might not even get up and runntnt at— might not even get up and running at all— might not even get up and running at all the scheme. so atatn— running at all the scheme. so once again, it's— running at all the scheme. so once again, it's a— running at all the scheme. so once again, it's a big, big loss for once again, it's a big, big loss tor tne— once again, it's a big, big loss for the government and just snows— for the government and just snowswnat— for the government and just shows what a— for the government and just shows what a shambles it is . shows what a shambles it is. ant— shows what a shambles it is. ant sa— shows what a shambles it is. ant so tt— shows what a shambles it is. ant so tt tten— shows what a shambles it is. and so if they appeal,- shows what a shambles it is. and so if they appeal, which we expect, they will, hardship, they then appeal to the supreme court, which is the highest court in the land. but even then, if the government were to win it, the appeal, that could then be an appeal to the european court. yeah, i mean, at ttts— european court. yeah, i mean, at tnts state— european court. yeah, i mean, at tnts state a— european court. yeah, i mean, at this stage a european— t. t ”. yeah, i mean, at this stage a european court nasn-t— this stage a european court nasn-t een— this stage a european court hasn't even got— this stage a european court hasn't even got involved . so hasn't even got involved. so rust— hasn't even got involved. so tust we— hasn't even got involved. so we're just we can't even get it past— we're just we can't even get it past our— we're just we can't even get it past on— we're just we can't even get it past our own judges, the english tuttes— past our own judges, the english tuttes .— past our own judges, the english tutaes . tnat-s— past our own judges, the english judges . that's how badly judges. that's how badly preparet— judges. that's how badly prepared this— judges. that's how badly prepared this whole scheme has teen— prepared this whole scheme has teen .— prepared this whole scheme has teen . ant— prepared this whole scheme has been . and surely— prepared this whole scheme has been . and surely we when you

been. and surely we when you prepare— been. and surely we when you prepare something, you know , prepare something, you know, tntettttent— prepare something, you know, intelligent people and learned peopte— intelligent people and learned peopte tnow— intelligent people and learned people know when you prepare an essan— people know when you prepare an essan .— people know when you prepare an essan . a— people know when you prepare an essan . a test— people know when you prepare an essay , a thesis or— people know when you prepare an essay , a thesis or anything , you essay, a thesis or anything, you tt— essay, a thesis or anything, you tt past— essay, a thesis or anything, you run it past people— essay, a thesis or anything, you run it past people first to see tetore— run it past people first to see before submitting it. this has teen— before submitting it. this has teen tne— before submitting it. this has been the opposite. this has been likew— been the opposite. this has been ttte. vou— been the opposite. this has been ttte. nou tnow— been the opposite. this has been like, you know what? we'll prontse— like, you know what? we'll prontse tne — like, you know what? we'll promise the people something. oh, promise the people something. on. no— promise the people something. on. no .— promise the people something. on. no . guess— promise the people something. oh, no , guess what? might be oh, no, guess what? we might be in oh, no, guess what? we might be tn-rnts— oh, no, guess what? we might be tn-rnts rust— oh, no, guess what? we might be in _this just-we're. in trouble. this just what we're tntna— in trouble. this just what we're tnta—te- in trouble. this just what we're tntnt—te ttteaatl trying to do might be illegal. ant— trying to do might be illegal. ant-tatt.— trying to do might be illegal. and-fact, it's— trying to do might be illegal. and fact, it's been ruled and in fact, it's been ruled tnat— and in fact, it's been ruled tnat totan— and in fact, it's been ruled that today. they'll have to that today. so they'll have to go-to _ that today. so they'll have to to-to tne — that today. so they'll have to go to the drawing board, go back to the drawing board, try go back to the drawing board, tn—sonetntntl go back to the drawing board,- try_something else. try and think of something else. ant— try and think of something else. ant tn— try and think of something else. ant tn tne— try and think of something else. and in the meantime, appeal it ant— and in the meantime, appeal it ant-tnat— and in the meantime, appeal it and-that they're- and in the meantime, appeal it and that they're going to and hope that they're going to we— and hope that they're going to wtn-appeat. — and hope that they're going to win-appeal. .most- win the appeal. and most tnpotanttn— win the appeal. and most importantly, they've an importantly, they've got an eteetton. — importantly, they've got an eteetton. r— importantly, they've got an election. i don't- importantly, they've got an election. i don't think we're going— election. i don't think we're goinglget_ election. i don't think we're going-get all_ election. i don't think we're going-get all of- election. i don't think we're going get all of this sorted going to get all of this sorted tetore— going to get all of this sorted before-election.- going to get all of this sorted before election. and i think before an election. and i think tnen-re— they're going to they're going to-tnat— they're going to they're going to-tnat a— they're going to they're going to-that a ballot- they're going to they're going to that a ballot box to be told that a ballot box tnat.— to be told that a ballot box tnat. nou— to be told that a ballot box that, you know,— to be told that a ballot box that, you know, can't just that, you know, you can't just mate— that, you know, you can't just make promises— that, you know, you can't just make promises to— that, you know, you can't just make promises to the public and ten— make promises to the public and ten rust— make promises to the public and ten tust not— make promises to the public and then just not deliver this is a big— then just not deliver this is a ttt—tne- then just not deliver this is a ttt—tne tor- then just not deliver this is a big _the for the l big problem for the for the nnne— big problem for the for the prime minister— big problem for the for the prime minister personally, big problem for the for the prime ibecause 3ersonally, big problem for the for the prime ibecause 3ersomade hojjat, because he's made these twe— hojjat, because he's made these ttwe ptetaes. — hojjat, because he's made these five pledges. -0f- hojjat, because he's made these five pledges. one of them is to halve inflation, one of them is to boats sending to stop the boats sending them to stop the boats sending them to refugees rwanda to rwanda. refugees to rwanda was way to stop the was the key way to stop the boats. so that's sunk along with his inflation pledge. yeah i

mean, it's never a good idea to try and send two people to a country where there's been a genocide before . recently, in genocide before. recently, in reset— genocide before. recently, in reset neas — genocide before. recently, in recent years, i— genocide before. recently, in recent years, i mean,- gttrtrrt. ctt. ”rt; recently, in recent years, i mean, rwanda was a sountn— recent years, i mean, rwanda was a sountn wnere— recent years, i mean, rwanda was a sountn wnee a— recent years, i mean, rwanda was a country where a million people were slaughtering— a country where a million people were slaughtering each other in atout— were slaughtering each other in atout two— were slaughtering each other in about two weeks,— were slaughtering each other in about two weeks, there were two trttes— about two weeks, there were two tribes literally— about two weeks, there were two tribes literally butchering each otter— tribes literally butchering each other families, _ tribes literally butchering each other families, women and sntttren— other families, women and sntttren. — other families, women and children . it— other families, women and children . it was- other families, women and children . t rtrg t children. it was a long time ago, though. hardap was a long time ago. but it's not. but it wasn't. it was in— time ago. but it's not. but it wasn't. it was in our- t g t but it wasn't. it was in our lifetime ant— wasn't. it was in our lifetime ant tt— wasn't. it was in our lifetime ant t was— wasn't. it was in our lifetime and it was something that, you tnow— and it was something that, you tnow. r— and it was something that, you tnow. r was— and it was something that, you know, i was grown— and it was something that, you know, i was grown up when it nappenet.— know, i was grown up when it nappenet. ant— know, i was grown up when it happened. and i— know, i was grown up when it happened. and i assume you were as-n— happened. and i assume you were as-tnlwan. — happened. and i assume you were as-tnlwan. tut- happened. and i assume you were as-inlway. but in- as well. but in a way. but in a way.— as well. but in a way. but in a way r.— as well. but in a way. but in a way r. r— as well. but in a way. but in a way, i, i admire the ambition of the british government to help that country in a sense, i admire braverman has been admire suella braverman has been working hard explain working very hard to explain that a tech hub. rwanda that it's a big tech hub. rwanda you got one of the you know, it's got one of the biggest tech hubs in the world, funded the world economic funded by the world economic forum. trying to invest forum. they're trying to invest in that in that country. and what do they need? they need young work in that young people to work in that economy because obviously, because of the genocide , they because of the genocide, they don't have enough of a younger demographic i can demographic. on paper. i can even though it comes with that stigma on paper, i can see the

logic behind wanting to have that cooperation. of course, it's easy to forget that this was under priti patel actually, rather than suella braverman. this was a priti patel endeavoun this was a priti patel endeavour, wasn't would you endeavour, wasn't it? would you expect to come out and say expect her to come out and say something today? hojjat no , she something today? hojjat no, she doesn't have to. i think this is tuetta—ts- doesn't have to. i think this is suella—is carrying. doesn't have to. i think this is. suella—is carrying the suella braverman is carrying the can suella braverman is carrying the for— suella braverman is carrying the for this— suella braverman is carrying the can for this because she is a lawyer.— can for this because she is a lawyer. she— can for this because she is a lawyer. she suella braverman was in one— lawyer. she suella braverman was in of— lawyer. she suella braverman was in of the— lawyer. she suella braverman was in one of the top— lawyer. she suella braverman was in one of the top positions legat— in one of the top positions legal positions— in one of the top positions legal positions in this country before— legal positions in this country before eee— legal positions in this country before she became home secretary she before she became home secretary she should— before she became home secretary she should have— before she became home secretary she should have known whether this she should have known whether the wee— she should have known whether the legat— she should have known whether this was legal or— she should have known whether this was legal or not. so this is en— this was legal or not. so this is on her.— this was legal or not. so this is on her. priti— this was legal or not. so this is on her. priti patel wasn't a lawyer— is on her. priti patel wasn't a lawyer .— is on her. priti patel wasn't a lawyer . rew— is on her. priti patel wasn't a lawyer . you know, she can put lawyer. you know, she can put reer— lawyer. you know, she can put her rernee— lawyer. you know, she can put her wewee up— lawyer. you know, she can put her hands up and— lawyer. you know, she can put her hands up and say, well, hold on, her hands up and say, well, hold rm— her hands up and say, well, hold r-m wer— her hands up and say, well, hold r-m nor a— her hands up and say, well, hold on, i'm not a lawyer. but the person— on, i'm not a lawyer. but the person wre— on, i'm not a lawyer. but the person who came— on, i'm not a lawyer. but the person who came after me, she's been— person who came after me, she's been er— person who came after me, she's been er were. — person who came after me, she's been at this. you— person who came after me, she's been at this. you know, in the regar— been at this. you know, in the legal-20— been at this. you know, in the legal-20 eee- been at this. you know, in the legal 20 odd years. legal field for 20 odd years. she— legal field for 20 odd years. she-erre— legal field for 20 odd years. she-she should- legal field for 20 odd years. she she should have legal field for 20 odd years. - she-she should have known she should she should have known werew— she should she should have known berrer, showe— she should she should have known better, should have— she should she should have known better, should have consulted her colleagues. _ her colleagues. suella braverman, _ her colleagues. suella braverman, in braverman, who's been up in freer— braverman, who's been up in freer-weese— braverman, who's been up in front these judges, probably front of these judges, probably ewrrwe— front of these judges, probably during—wowe- during cases. so she would have known— during cases. so she would have known-peopte— during cases. so she would have. known-people-would known these people and she would reeve— known these people and she would rave—reel have known seen cases like this day— have known seen cases like this day i..— have known seen cases like this day we, day— have known seen cases like this day we, day err.— have known seen cases like this day in, day out. and if she weer-r,— day in, day out. and if she hadn't, then— day in, day out. and if she hadn't, then she- day in, day out. and if she hadn't, then she should have ensured— hadn't, then she should have. consulted—have consulted people who did have reer— consulted people who did have that knowledge.— consulted people who did have that knowledge. so this once

rearw— that knowledge. so this once agree-wre- that knowledge. so this once- again,-the government again, this is on the government are— again, this is on the government ewe—rwrwgl again, this is on the governmenti ewe—rwrwg re and the home secretary trying to peer— and the home secretary trying to peer-semerwwe- push through something that's perewrrerw— push through something that's potentially—beenl potentially or today has been rwree— potentially or today has been ruled illegal.— potentially or today has been ruled illegal. and i don't think it's ruled illegal. and i don't think ire-were— ruled illegal. and i don't think ire-were e— ruled illegal. and i don't think it's-from a sense- ruled illegal. and i don't think it's from a sense of it's come from a sense of helping— it's come from a sense of helping other— it's come from a sense of helping other countries. surely it's come from a sense of hel|whole her countries. surely it's come from a sense of hel|whole priority 1tries. surely it's come from a sense of hel|whole priority here. surely it's come from a sense of hel|whole priority here is urely it's come from a sense of hel|whole priority here is toely the whole priority here is to were—wer- the whole priority here is to help—first and. the whole priority here is toi help—first and to help this country first and to read— help this country first and to read wre— help this country first and to read the sentiments the read the sentiments of the peere— read the sentiments of the peeprelmeew— read the sentiments of the peeprelmeew ,- read the sentiments of the people. mean , the messages people. i mean, the messages reer— people. i mean, the messages weer—rr- people. i mean, the messages weer—re re- people. i mean, the messages that—in is all. that you're getting in is all aberr— that you're getting in is all about sentiments of the about the sentiments of the errrrerr— about the sentiments of the mere-.— about the sentiments of the british-. and- british people. and this government— british people. and this government be government should be prioritising— government should be prioritising british if prioritising british people. if the prioritising british people. if wee—re- prioritising british people. if rre—re-rel prioritising british people. if. rwe—re-re sew the government is going to say, wen,— the government is going to say, weu, were— the government is going to say, weu, were err— the government is going to say, well, hold on, we're not really concerned with— well, hold on, we're not really concerned with the british peopte,— concerned with the british were—rel concerned with the british. were—re help concerned with the british- peepre,—re help a people, but we've got to help a eewwrw— people, but we've got to help a country .africa. _ people, but we've got to help a country africa. well it's country in africa. well it's rewr— country in africa. well it's here, rewr— country in africa. well it's both, isn't it? _ country in africa. well it's both, isn't it.7 . qc?“ both, isn't it.7 it's both, yeah. we— both, isn't it.7 it's both, yeah. we wear— both, isn't it.7 it's both, yeah. it's that shouldn't— both, isn't it.7 it's both, yeah. it's that shouldn't be- both, isn't it.7 . qc?“ it's that shouldn't be the prrerrw- — it's that shouldn't be the prrerrrw. wre— it's that shouldn't be the priority. the priority has erwewe— priority. the priority has aways-wep- priority. the priority has always-stop small always been to stop the small beare— always been to stop the small beers-were- always been to stop the smalli boats-they're _to boats and now they're going to wave— boats and now they're going to wave-ew— boats and now they're going to wave-err rrrer. - boats and now they're going to have _on that. and . have to deliver on that. and maybe— have to deliver on that. and maybe rernr— have to deliver on that. and maybe think of— have to deliver on that. and maybe think of other ways to eree — maybe think of other ways to eree rrre — maybe think of other ways to stop the small— maybe think of other ways to stop the small boats. like we've erwewe—eeerl always said on this, i've been you— always said on this, i've been wee-r-we— always said on this, i've been wee-r-we beer- always said on this, i've been wee-r-we eeew err- always said on this, i've been you i've been on gb news you know, i've been on gb news for you know, i've been on gb news fer-sewing— you know, i've been on gb news fer-sewing rere— you know, i've been on gb news for-saying this with- for a year saying this with ewer— for a year saying this with often-different- for a year saying this with often different presenters often with different presenters erre— often with different presenters ewe—ewer- often with different presenters and _ after the l and yourselves. go after the genes.— and yourselves. go after the eenee—eeween gangs. there's no gangs that eeeere— gangs. there's no gangs that people wen-r— gangs. there's no gangs that people won't be— gangs. there's no gangs that people won't be able to use it. rew— people won't be able to use it. yew een-r— people won't be able to use it. yew een-r eee— people won't be able to use it. you don't stop drug dealing by reewwe— you don't stop drug dealing by reewrre we— you don't stop drug dealing by reewrre we erre— you don't stop drug dealing by locking up drug users. you stop it locking up drug users. you stop rr ew— locking up drug users. you stop rr by eererrwe— locking up drug users. you stop it by catching the— locking up drug users. you stop it by catching the drug dealers. you it by catching the drug dealers. yew een-r— it by catching the drug dealers. yew een-r eree— it by catching the drug dealers. you don't stop people smuggling and trafficking— you don't stop people smuggling and trafficking by— you don't stop people smuggling and trafficking by locking up the and trafficking by locking up we eeeere—

and trafficking by locking up the people trafficked . �*vw�*rz; the people being trafficked. we rereer— the people being trafficked. we rereer-eee— the people being trafficked. �*vw�*rz; g people forget that too easily. people who are forget that too easily. people wee eerwe— forget that too easily. people who are doing the— g people who are doing the trafficking hij'ab- — who are doing the trafficking hijab- rearw— who are doing the trafficking hijab. thank you. - who are doing the trafficking hijab. g hijab. thank you. hijab. singh bangle lawyer. there bangle immigration lawyer. there is forget that piece is so easy to forget that piece of puzzle, isn't it.7 and we of the puzzle, isn't it.7 and we remember of the puzzle, isn't it? and we remember-recently- of the puzzle, isn't it? and we remember-recently we - . fl and we remember recently we were remember just recently we were reading— remember just recently we were reading-wre— remember just recently we were reading-the gangs- remember just recently we were reading the gangs were reading that the gangs were eewerrrerwe— reading that the gangs were advertising their services on rrreerne— advertising their services on flipping tiktok. advertising their services on flipping tiktok. / advertising their services on flipping tiktok. “43?" how and flipping tiktok. yeah. how and waver— flipping tiktok. yeah. how and rrewer eeewre— flipping tiktok. yeah. how and travel agents down— flipping tiktok. “43?" how and travel agents down the flipping tiktok. / how and travel agents down the streets. wee— travel agents down the streets. wee rr— travel agents down the streets. wee rr rr— travel agents down the streets. was it in turkey?— travel agents down the streets. was it in turkey? just. just waver— was it in turkey? just. just travel agents— was it in turkey? just. just travel agents pop in, give us weer— travel agents pop in, give us weer eese,— travel agents pop in, give us your cash, and— travel agents pop in, give us your cash, and we'll stick you in your cash, and we'll stick you w e— your cash, and we'll stick you w e ernerw— your cash, and we'll stick you w e erwerw .— your cash, and we'll stick you in a dinghy. right. well, that wru— in a dinghy. right. well, that we keep— in a dinghy. right. well, that we keep going— in a dinghy. right. well, that will keep going and keep your wewe— will keep going and keep your views on that— will keep going and keep your views on that coming, you? views on that coming, won't you? now,— views on that coming, won't you? now—re- views on that coming, won't you? wew—re erewrwel now, the government is drawing up now, the government is drawing ere—resurr- now, the government is drawing we—reewrr ini up plans which could result in the renationalisation of the uk of the renationalisation of the uk er wre— the renationalisation of the uk of the country's— the renationalisation of the uk of the country's largest water eweewer. — of the country's largest water eweerrer. rr-e— of the country's largest water supplier. it's teetering on the ewer— supplier. it's teetering on the were er— supplier. it's teetering on the brink of collapse. so joining us re— brink of collapse. so joining us is were — brink of collapse. so joining us now is liam halligan. it's rwemee— now is liam halligan. it's thames water. now is liam halligan. it's— thames water. liam, what a mess. it thames water. liam, what a mess. rr re— thames water. liam, what a mess. r is e— thames water. liam, what a mess. r is e wees.— thames water. liam, what a mess. it is a mess. let's— thames water. liam, what a mess. it is a mess. let's just— thames water. it is a mess. let's just rewind a it is a mess. let's just rewind e were— it is a mess. let's just rewind e rrrrre err— it is a mess. let's just rewind a little bit and— it is a mess. let's just rewind a little bit and think back to where— a little bit and think back to where we— a little bit and think back to where we started with this eemeeww— where we started with this eemeerw. r-we— where we started with this company. i've got a little ereewe— company. i've got a little ereeere were,— company. i've got a little graphic here, you graphic scenes. it's— graphic here, you graphic scenes. it's you. nice green ereee— scenes. it's you. nice green ereee ew— scenes. it's you. nice green dress by we— scenes. it's you. nice green dress, by the way. thanks. so we— dress, by the way. thanks. so we beek— dress, by the way. thanks. so we back rr— dress, by the way. thanks. so it's back in 1989,— dress, by the way. thanks. so it's back in 1989, that thames werer— it's back in 1989, that thames were we— it's back in 1989, that thames water was privatised during rrreee— water was privatised during those thatcher— water was privatised during

those thatcher era privatisations . and this is the privatisations. and this is the merger— privatisations. and this is the ereeeer werer— privatisations. and this is the biggest water company in britain . rr-e— biggest water company in britain . rr-e wer— biggest water company in britain . we we reer— biggest water company in britain . rr-e wer we we— biggest water company in britain . it's not just big chunks of render.— . it's not just big chunks of lender. rr— . it's not just big chunks of london. it goes— . it's not just big chunks of london. it goes right across to pee— london. it goes right across to pee er— london. it goes right across to parts of gloucestershire , to the parts of gloucestershire, to the weer, — parts of gloucestershire, to the weer, eu— parts of gloucestershire, to the weer, we we— parts of gloucestershire, to the west, all the way— parts of gloucestershire, to the west, all the way to kent west, all the way down to kent in west, all the way down to kent rw-eeer. — west, all the way down to kent rw-eeer. rr— west, all the way down to kent in-east. it covers- west, all the way down to kent in-east. it covers is- west, all the way down to kent in east. it covers is more in the east. it covers is more reer— in the east. it covers is more were r— in the east. it covers is more were r rr— in the east. it covers is more were r we r— in the east. it covers is more than 1 in 4 of— in the east. it covers is more than 1 in 4 of the— in the east. it covers is more than 1 in 4 of the british eeewrerrew— than 1 in 4 of the british population, 27% of all households- population, 27% of all households .- population, 27% of all households . now, interestingly, households. now, interestingly, erree— households. now, interestingly, rr-e— households. now, interestingly, since it's been— households. now, interestingly, since it's been privatised, its erreee— since it's been privatised, its erreee reeve— since it's been privatised, its shares have been— since it's been privatised, its shares have been bought up by various strategic— shares have been bought up by various strategic investors , various strategic investors, rnerwerwe— various strategic investors, including governments . so the including governments. so the eewerwmewr— including governments. so the eewerwmewr er— including governments. so the government of the united arab rmrreree— government of the united arab rmrreree wre— government of the united arab emirates, the abu dhabi investment— emirates, the abu dhabi investment authority, owns part of investment authority, owns part er rwemee— investment authority, owns part of thames water,— investment authority, owns part of thames water, as does the cwrweee— of thames water, as does the chinese government, of thames water, as does the chinese government , because they chinese government, because they ereewrreew— chinese government, because they presumably assume— chinese government, because they presumably assume it's going to be e— presumably assume it's going to be a profitable— presumably assume it's going to be a profitable venture and wew-re— be a profitable venture and wew-re going— be a profitable venture and they're going to get a good rewrrer — they're going to get a good return. that's— they're going to get a good return. that's right. but the problem— return. that's right. but the ereerem-rr— return. that's right. but the problem _it has- return. that's right. but the problem it has a £14 problem it has it has a £14 entren— problem it has it has a £14 billion debt— problem it has it has a £14 billion debt pile that's amassed ever-weere— billion debt pile that's amassed over-years now.- billion debt pile that's amassed over years now. the problem over many years now. the problem is over many years now. the problem re wren— over many years now. the problem is when interest— over many years now. the problem is when interest rates go up, we— is when interest rates go up, we eeer— is when interest rates go up, we eeer er— is when interest rates go up, the cost of servicing your debt eeee— the cost of servicing your debt eeee we.— the cost of servicing your debt eeee we. are— the cost of servicing your debt goes up. and when inflation goes up, when— goes up. and when inflation goes up, when e— goes up. and when inflation goes we, when e rer— goes up. and when inflation goes up, when a lot of— goes up. and when inflation goes up, when a lot of the debt is unwed— up, when a lot of the debt is linked re— up, when a lot of the debt is linked to inflation, which it is, linked to inflation, which it re eeewr— linked to inflation, which it is, about half— linked to inflation, which it is, about half this debt pile is unwed— is, about half this debt pile is linked re— is, about half this debt pile is linked to inflation. again, the deer— linked to inflation. again, the deer eerwee— linked to inflation. again, the debt service goes up. and the

ereererr — debt service goes up. and the problem .isn't_ debt service goes up. and the problem isn't that thames problem is it isn't that thames werer— problem is it isn't that thames werer weer-r— problem is it isn't that thames water hasn't assets. it water hasn't got assets. it rewr— water hasn't got assets. it rew-r-weew-r- water hasn't got assets. it isn't-hasn't got- water hasn't got assets. it isn't hasn't got a big isn't that it hasn't got a big revenue stream.— isn't that it hasn't got a big revenue stream. it has because eu— revenue stream. it has because err paying— revenue stream. it has because we're all paying our bills. his eme— we're all paying our bills. his erue ee— we're all paying our bills. his erue eee-e— we're all paying our bills. his bills are-up.-justl bills are going up. they just weer— bills are going up. they just weer-reer— bills are going up. they just went last month. profits. the went up last month. profits. the ereererr — went up last month. profits. the ereerem—eeerrl problem they've got is a cash erwrerr— problem they've got is a cash crunch-eu— problem they've got is a cash crunch - all these - problem they've got is a cash crunch all these debt crunch with all these debt eerwee— crunch with all these debt service costs— crunch with all these debt service costs going up. they revere-r— service costs going up. they revere-r eer— service costs going up. they haven't got operating haven't got the operating eeerrer— haven't got the operating eeerrer re— haven't got the operating capital to keep going. and they say capital to keep going. and they eew wew— capital to keep going. and they eew reew weee— capital to keep going. and they say they need an— capital to keep going. and they say they need an immediate cash tweeter— say they need an immediate cash reteerrew er— say they need an immediate cash reteerrew er er— say they need an immediate cash injection of at least— say they need an immediate cash injection of at least £1 brewer.— injection of at least £1 billion. now- injection of at least £1 billion. now this gives the eewerwmewr— billion. now this gives the government a— billion. now this gives the government a dilemma. some eeeere— government a dilemma. some people eew— government a dilemma. some people eew, 0h,— government a dilemma. some people say, oh, the government ewewre— people say, oh, the government should immediately be renationalise thames water, make wre— renationalise thames water, make wee er— renationalise thames water, make some kind of big— renationalise thames water, make some kind of big ideological ereremewr.— some kind of big ideological statement. we're taking it back in tree — statement. we're taking it back in tree eer— statement. we're taking it back in house. but actually, under wre— in house. but actually, under rrre rerme— in house. but actually, under rrre rerme er— in house. but actually, under the terms of that— in house. but actually, under the terms of that 99, 89 act of errwerreee — the terms of that 99, 89 act of privatised nation,— the terms of that 99, 89 act of privatised nation, the government - privatised nation, the government can put this company in government can put this company we eeeerer— government can put this company in special measures— government can put this company in special measures and it can eemeer— in special measures and it can eemeer wre— in special measures and it can compel the owners of the eemeerrw— compel the owners of the companyr ree— compel the owners of the company, the shareholders of the eemeerw— company, the shareholders of the eemeerw re— company, the shareholders of the eemeerw re pay— company, the shareholders of the company to pay more money to eerwree— company to pay more money to eerwree wre— company to pay more money to service the debt— company to pay more money to service the debt and even swap the service the debt and even swap rrre deer— service the debt and even swap the debt that— service the debt and even swap the debt that they— service the debt and even swap the debt that they owe for eewrrw. — the debt that they owe for eewrrw. reer— the debt that they owe for equity. that means they make were — equity. that means they make rrrem ew— equity. that means they make them own more— equity. that means they make them own more of the company in ereer— them own more of the company in ereer re— them own more of the company in ereer re pew— them own more of the company in ereer re pew err— them own more of the company in order to pay off some of the deer.— order to pay off some of the deer. wew— order to pay off some of the debt. how do— order to pay off some of the debt. how do they how do i mean,

reer— debt. how do they how do i mean, we eewree— debt. how do they how do i mean, that sounds quite— debt. how do they how do i mean, that sounds quite complicated erre— that sounds quite complicated ere rr— that sounds quite complicated ere rr wru— that sounds quite complicated and it will be— that sounds quite complicated and it will be complicated and were-u— and it will be complicated and there'll-lots— and it will be complicated and there'll-lots and— and it will be complicated and there'll lots and lots there'll be lots and lots of rewwere— there'll be lots and lots of lawyers involved, lawyers lawyers involved, a lawyers bonanza. and it could take a rere— bonanza. and it could take a were-reeve— bonanza. and it could take a long-that's why- bonanza. and it could take a long that's why we're at a long time. that's why we're at a erwrerr— long time. that's why we're at a erwwew peter.— long time. that's why we're at a crunch point. so— long time. that's why we're at a crunch point. so many of these big rrwewerer— crunch point. so many of these big financial issues are decreed.— big financial issues are decided. lock- big financial issues are decided. lock yourselves in a room because barbarians at room because the barbarians at the room because the barbarians at wee-wew,— room because the barbarians at wee-wew wre- room because the barbarians at the-wall, the wall,- room because the barbarians at the wolves wall, the wall, room because the barbarians at the wolves are fall, the wall, room because the barbarians at the wolves are coming. wall, room because the barbarians at the wolves are coming. the debt is the wolves are coming. the debt re ewwee— the wolves are coming. the debt re ewwee ew— the wolves are coming. the debt is owned by investors in the mere.— is owned by investors in the were. we— is owned by investors in the market. the value of that debt is market. the value of that debt re ew— market. the value of that debt re plunging-— market. the value of that debt is now plunging. people are eeewmrwe— is now plunging. people are assuming going is now plunging. people are. assuming—going to assuming they're not going to get assuming they're not going to eer wre— assuming they're not going to eer rrre werew— assuming they're not going to get the money back so that makes all get the money back so that makes err-ewme— get the money back so that makes all-sums much,— get the money back so that makes all sums much, much more all the sums much, much more errrrewrr— all the sums much, much more difficult-some— all the sums much, much more difficult-somelthe- all the sums much, much more difficult-somelthe big. difficult. some of the big shareholders, course, have shareholders, of course, have been pounds. been paid billions of pounds. so was previous so there was a previous shareholder— so there was a previous shareholder and they're not eeeweee— shareholder and they're not accused wrongdoing accused of any wrongdoing whatsoever. _ whatsoever. but we're talking eeewr— whatsoever. but we're talking. about—investment about the australian investment eerw. —rrrew- about the australian investmenti eerw. —rrrew reek bank. macquarie yeah, they took out bank. macquarie yeah, they took ewr ewer— bank. macquarie yeah, they took out over-decade— bank. macquarie yeah, they took out over- decade or- bank. macquarie yeah, they took out over decade or so that out over the decade or so that new— out over the decade or so that wew-e— out over the decade or so that rrrew-e-errww- out over the decade or so that they-a-chunk of. out over the decade or so that- they-a-chunk of thames they owned a big chunk of thames werer— they owned a big chunk of thames werer .— they owned a big chunk of thames werer . wew— they owned a big chunk of thames water . they took— they owned a big chunk of thames water . they took about £1.6 water. they took about £1.6 brewer— water. they took about £1.6 were re— water. they took about £1.6 billion in dividends. so . that's billion in dividends. so. that's eweoo— billion in dividends. so. that's £1,600 million— billion in dividends. so. that's £1,600 million in— billion in dividends. so. that's £1,600 million in dividends. �*vw�*rz; 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of_they'd have been of the action. they'd have been rweewrrweee— of the action. they'd have been incentivised .the _ of the action. they'd have been incentivised .the as- of the action. they'd have been incentivised the as the incentivised as the as the erreee—erl incentivised as the as the erreee—er rr| incentivised as the as the i phrase _of it will phrase has it. a lot of it will newe— phrase has it. a lot of it will wewe eeew— phrase has it. a lot of it will have been pension funds. insurance companies big insurance companies, big institutional— institutional shareholders, individuals— individuals didn't pay themselves- individuals didn't pay themselves 1.6 billion. you themselves 1.6 billion. but, you knew,— themselves 1.6 billion. but, you knew, rr— themselves 1.6 billion. but, you knew, rr ee— themselves1.6 billion. but, you knew, rr e— themselves 1.6 billion. but, you know, it was a lot— themselves 1.6 billion. but, you know, it was a lot of money to rere— know, it was a lot of money to rewe ewr— know, it was a lot of money to rewe ewr wre— know, it was a lot of money to take out the company. and there are take out the company. and there ewer— take out the company. and there errrer-eerwe- take out the company. and there are other-going on- take out the company. and there are other going on in the are other things going on in the eeewerewwe— are other things going on in the background thames background. so thames water, a lot-infrastructure- background. so thames water, a lot infrastructure will lot of its infrastructure will go lot of its infrastructure will fie-to— lot of its infrastructure will ee-re wre— lot of its infrastructure will go to the victorian era. a go back to the victorian era. a lot go back to the victorian era. a re er— go back to the victorian era. a re er rr— go back to the victorian era. a re er rr re— go back to the victorian era. a lot of it is leaking. you've got all lot of it is leaking. you've got eu rweee— lot of it is leaking. you've got all those sewage— lot of it is leaking. you've got all those sewage leaks that- we've been-630,000,000l we've been hearing, 630,000,000l a we've been hearing, 630,000,000l e-aeeerwrew— we've been hearing, 630,000,000l e-aeeerweew c— we've been hearing, 630,000,000l a-absolutely c plus- a year. absolutely c plus plus plus these companies are under enormous pressure to do lots of sort of environmental and net zero stuff, which costs money up front. what's it to mean front. what's it going to mean for front. what's it going to mean rer ewr— front. what's it going to mean for our bills?— front. what's it going to mean for our bills? well,— what's it going to mean for our bills? well, none of were— for our bills? well, none of were re— for our bills? well, none of were re going— for our bills? well, none of this is going to— for our bills? well, none of this is going to help keep the ewe— this is going to help keep the true-er— this is going to help keep the bills-of-almostl bills low. all of this, almost ewerwrrrrre— bills low. all of this, almost everything i've— bills low. all of this, almost everything i've said is going to weed— everything i've said is going to need more funding either by shareholders— need more funding either by shareholders and or the government— shareholders and or the government and or almost eerrerww— government and or almost certainly households paying reer— certainly households paying reerrwerer— certainly households paying their water bills. 0 : their water bills. it should be by the shareholder, as it should be by the shareholders. but it's going to be very difficult- : but it's going to be very difficult to reree— going to be very difficult to reree were— going to be very difficult to force them to— going to be very difficult to force them to do that in the rime— force them to do that in the were treme— force them to do that in the time frame that— force them to do that in the time frame that we need to do it. time frame that we need to do it wew— time frame that we need to do it wew rere— time frame that we need to do it wew long re— time frame that we need to do it. how long to make sure? how

were— it. how long to make sure? how long? wew,— it. how long to make sure? how long? wew, rr— it. how long to make sure? how long? well, it depends on how eemerreeree— long? well, it depends on how complicated-loan- long? well, it depends on how complicated loan covenants complicated the loan covenantsi are._complicated are. it depends how complicated the original legislation is. we— the original legislation is. rr-e—e- the original legislation is.j it's—a while. it's going to take a while. were— it's going to take a while. were-re— it's going to take a while. we're _to be - it's going to take a while. we're to be talking about we're going to be talking about this we're going to be talking about we rer— we're going to be talking about we rer ee— we're going to be talking about this for some time. so it's a ererw— this for some time. so it's a ererw eeewr— this for some time. so it's a story about our— this for some time. so it's a story about our rising water were— story about our rising water were ewr— story about our rising water bills, but also— story about our rising water bills, but also a— story about our rising water bills, but also a big ideological- bills, but also a big ideological battle in the conservative— ideological battle in the conservative party and beyond. we conservative party and beyond. we-re— conservative party and beyond. we-re weev— conservative party and beyond. we-re er.— conservative party and beyond. we-to move on. liam.- conservative party and beyond. we-to move on. liam. it'sl we have to move on. liam. it's never enough, is it right. never long enough, is it right. moving now, former scottish moving on now, former scottish first sturgeon first minister nicola sturgeon will covid will appear before the covid inquiry morning, inquiry this morning, giving evidence on how prepared scotland pandemic. scotland was for the pandemic. we're going to speak to our very ee— we're going to speak to our very ere wewe— we're going to speak to our very own gb news presenter neil ewer— own gb news presenter neill oliver—errewe oliver, who's has quite strong wewe— oliver, who's has quite strong views-sturgeon,- oliver, who's has quite strong views sturgeon, and oliver, who's has quite strong- views-sturgeon, and he views on nicola sturgeon, and he terre— views on nicola sturgeon, and he jere-wew.— views on nicola sturgeon, and he terwelwew. wew,— views on nicola sturgeon, and he joins now. neil, morning. joins us now. neil, morning. how wew— joins us now. neil, morning. how wew-cerem— joins us now. neil, morning. how well conduct herself well did she conduct herself ewrrwe— well did she conduct herself during pandemic? we during the covid pandemic? we saw _television- during the covid pandemic? we saw television every day saw her on television every day erwwe— saw her on television every day giving—by- saw her on television every day orwwe—ew wre- saw her on television every day orwwe—ew rrre eee-i saw her on television every day oeere—ew rrre eee-i saw her on television every day gdo recall by the bbc. saw her on television every day gdo recall well by the bbc. saw her on television every day gdo recall well , by the bbc. saw her on television every day gdo recall well , her! the bbc. saw her on television every day gdo recall well , her handling. i do recall well, her handling was was as disastrous as as ewerweeew— was was as disastrous as as everybody eeere— was was as disastrous as as everybody else's handling of it. i everybody else's handling of it. r weer— everybody else's handling of it. r ww— everybody else's handling of it. i mean, my broad— everybody else's handling of it. i mean, my broad interpretation of the whole handling of the of the pandemic, so—called , it was the pandemic, so—called, it was that all of those who had a hand in it made it worse. you know, they either had no positive effect or they actually made

things worse for the economy, for education and for people's futures, for health, the whole across the board, you know , i'd across the board, you know, i'd love to know who's getting the who's got the contract for the whitewash for the covid inquiry, because that's deal. we because that's a sweet deal. we know into this that it's know going into this that it's going exonerate the going to exonerate all of the guilty any blame , and guilty parties of any blame, and they will reassure one another that what they ought to have done was more of what they did. but earlier harder. you but earlier and harder. you know, we're already we've already submissions like already had submissions like that, you know, hancock and the rest saying that the regret is that they didn't lock down earlier and that it wasn't, you know, harder or faster. there are clearly intent apart from anything else, on maintaining that box of tricks that they had prepared for, for what happened, what's been happening to us for the last couple of years. and at the last couple of years. and at the first opportunity they'll bnng the first opportunity they'll bring that box of tricks out again for climate or whatever. when to sturgeon again for climate or whatever. vdisastrous. to sturgeon again for climate or whatever. vdisastrous. look sturgeon again for climate or whatever. vdisastrous. look what sturgeon again for climate or whatever. vdisastrous. look what happenedi , disastrous. look what happened in homes. look what in the care homes. look what happened to, you know, the kids in the care homes. look what hippened to, you know, the kids in the care homes. look what hi mean, to, you know, the kids in the care homes. look what hi mean, my you know, the kids in the care homes. look what hi mean, my you kno oneie kids . i mean, my number one priority. i'm a a dad of three.

you i watched what you know, i watched what happened children going happened to my children going into you the nightmare into it. you know, the nightmare of the closure of the schools , of the closure of the schools, the long term consequences of damage to their educations. we had farcical stuff from sturgeon about, you know, cutting the bottom six inches off a classroom doors and the kids sitting through winter with the windows open and their coats off, you know, for, you know, this farcical approach that was taken right across the piece. what we saw with nicola sturgeon was what nicola sturgeon and the snp always and only do. it was an opportunity for them to try and position scotland as though scotland had already left the united kingdom . all of nicola united kingdom. all of nicola sturgeon's measures were just attempts to be doing something different than boris johnson and westminster . if you say rule of westminster. if you say rule of six, i'll say rule of nine. if you say for a fortnight, i'll say for three weeks. it was always and only just about trying to create this illusion , trying to create this illusion, this pantomime that scotland was already a separate kingdom and

that nicola sturgeon was its queen. yeah well, no doubt she will continue to do a little bit more of that at the inquiry. i'm sorry it's so short, neil. we-we— i'm sorry it's so short, neil. we-we eer— i'm sorry it's so short, neil. we've got such— i'm sorry it's so short, neil. we've got such a- i'm sorry it's so short, neil. we've got such a packed show redw— we've got such a packed show wew-twee- we've got such a packed show today. huge amount today. there's a huge amount going— today. there's a huge amount eerwe-ereer- today. there's a huge amount. oerwe-ereer-wew. going on, but great to see you. she-e— going on, but great to see you. shes-ee— going on, but great to see you. she-e-ee we— going on, but great to see you. she's-as we speak,- going on, but great to see you. she's-as we speak, swornl she's being as we speak, sworn to in speak at the inquiry. so if she if she says anything interesting, that's big if, of interesting, that's a big if, of course, bring live. course, we'll bring it live. neil oliver, of course, on gb wewe— neil oliver, of course, on gb wewe ewerw— neil oliver, of course, on gb news every saturday night at eewew—we-re- news every saturday night at seven._who's in. news every saturday night ati seven._who's in the seven. and look who's in the studio. karen maloney is not being very noisy for a change. i am, but i've just dropped i am, butyl've just dropped my i am, but i've just dropped my rerereerrewe— i am, but i've just dropped my rerereerrewe-r— i am, but i've just dropped my microphone-i know- microphone on. i know you dropped something. you look very well, you have well, though, karen. if you have you well, though, karen. if you have wew reer— well, though, karen. if you have you been on your holidays? lovely did lot of lovely holiday. oh, did a lot of ewrbeflrtwo— lovely holiday. oh, did a lot of eeweerrrrwele— lovely holiday. oh, did a lot of sunbathing,-a lot- lovely holiday. oh, did a lot of sunbathing,-a lot of- sunbathing, did a lot of drinking— sunbathing, did a lot of drinking wine and of drinking wine and a lot of eerrwe— drinking wine and a lot of eerrwe rere— drinking wine and a lot of eating lots of. - drinking wine and a lot of eating lots of. ' r: eating lots of. and a lot of complaining about easyjet on your flight back. i was complaining-werel your flight back. i was- complaining-were shocking. complaining you were shocking. arre— complaining you were shocking. awe eerrrreer— complaining you were shocking. and political editor of shocking reewr-er— easyjet political editor of the reereee—eree l express, sam lister, is also were. — express, sam lister, is also here. .looking- express, sam lister, is also. here. .looking fabulous express, sam lister, is also- here. .looking fabulous but here. also looking fabulous but not being on holiday. we've got to ask what you— not being on holiday. we've got to ask what you think- g 0" 0? we've got to ask what you think about sam. rewrreeuw. — to ask what you think about sam. politically. -have_ to ask what you think about sam. politically.-have to- politically. they have to eeeeer.— appeal. don't they, the government? and government? absolutely. and i was that was told yesterday that they will if went against

will appeal if it went against them. so they'll go it'll go to them. so they'll go it'll go to the supreme court. they'll be eweewreeee— the supreme court. they'll be encouraged at— the supreme court. they'll be encouraged at least-it- ”e they'll be encouraged at least it was encouraged at least that it was a encouraged at least that it was e-eeererew. — encouraged at least that it was a-decision. very- encouraged at least that it was a decision. rig rt encouraged at least that it was a decision. ”«rig rt“ a split decision. very much so. i actually, fact that i mean, actually, the fact that one the judges said it's one of the judges has said it's safe, know, that really does safe, you know, that really does give a bit a ray of hope give them a bit of a ray of hope and the high said it was and the high court said it was safe to. yeah, well, i don't get is safe to. yeah, well, i don't get re eewe— safe to. yeah, well, i don't get re wewe wew— safe to. yeah, well, i don't get is have they been— safe to. yeah, well, i don't get is have they been to- yeah, well, i don't get is have they been to rwanda then rrreee— is have they been to rwanda then reeee tweeee— is have they been to rwanda then reeee tweoee ee— is have they been to rwanda then these judges as well. i mean r-we— these judges as well. i mean r-we-eeer— these judges as well. i mean i've been rwanda, i've actually been to rwanda, andrew and it's beautiful. i have to say. but i mean, i can't really the on the really tell you like the on the ground, safety because we ground, the safety because we were the government. so were taking the government. so we're court we're those those appeal court judges rwanda. judges have not been to rwanda. and lot people and i think a lot of people have a view rwanda. but a certain view of rwanda. but from 90s, from the 90s, from the 80s, 90s, from the 90s, rather mean, the rather yeah. i mean, the eeweeree— rather yeah. i mean, the genocide was— rather yeah. i mean, the genocide was 30- t “43?" i mean, the genocide was 30 years. exactly. andr— genocide was 30 years. exactly. awe, wew — genocide was 30 years. exactly. are, wew knew,— genocide was 30 years. exactly. and, you know, one of your contributors _ and, you know, one of your contributors - it'si and, you know, one of your. contributors-it's not and, you know, one of your. c(goodutors-it's not and, you know, one of your. c(good idea-it's not and, you know, one of your. c(good idea to-it's not and, you know, one of your c(good idea to send. it's not and, you know, one of your c(good idea to send. 0 not a good idea to send. it's a eemeereew— a good idea to send. it's a democracy now. i'm- a good idea to send. 0 :”rirrtg \rrirrr i'm sorry, a good idea to send. 0 :tt brirmr' i'm sorry, that democracy now. i'm sorry, that weelweere— democracy now. i'm sorry, that weelweere eee.— democracy now. i'm sorry, that was-years ago. things- was 30 years ago. things have energet— changed. it's one of the rewewee-e— changed. it's one of the- rwanda's—fastest rwanda's one of the fastest growing— rwanda's one of the fastesti growing—africa, growing economies in africa, if not growing economies in africa, if wer—re— growing economies in africa, if wer—re rr-e- growing economies in africa, if not—is it's the- not the world. it is it's the 29th— not the world. it is it's the 29th _favoured - not the world. it is it's the 29th favoured place in the 29th most favoured place in the were— world to do business. yeah. why do world to do business. yeah. why ee—eeree- world to do business. yeah. why ee—eeree i do they think it's not safe? ree— do they think it's not safe? rr-e e— do they think it's not safe? rr-e e greet— do they think it's not safe? it's a great tech— do they think it's not safe? it's a great tech hub,- do they think it's not safe? it's a great tech hub, too, now, isn't it? it's greati it's a great tech hub, too, now, isn't it? it's great i mean, isn't it? it's a great i mean, i need— isn't it? it's a great i mean, i weere-eewrwe— isn't it? it's a great i mean, i heard-saying about- 0 fl it's a great i mean, i heard saying about the tech heard bev saying about the tech ewe. — heard bev saying about the tech ewe. -eewree— heard bev saying about the tech hub. _course-want. hub. yes, of course they want

wew-were. — hub. yes, of course they want wew-were. .- hub. yes, of course they want. new-there.-i mean, new people there. this i mean, wew—beer.- they clearly haven't been. but i werew— they clearly haven't been. but i wew-reer— think the thing that really were— think the thing that really weeere-re— think the thing that really upsets-is that- think the thing that really upsets is that is this upsets me is that this is this is upsets me is that this is this re-re— upsets me is that this is this re-re eer— upsets me is that this is this re-re eer we— upsets me is that this is this is-to set up the- upsets me is that this is this is to set up the stop the is going to set up the stop the eeere— is going to set up the stop the eeere-eeew- is going to set up the stop thei boats-back-years boats campaign back two years erre— boats campaign back two years ewe—rwei and the tories haven't got two weee— and the tories haven't got two weere-wrew-re- and the tories haven't got two years. they're done for years. i think they're done for wew—er- years. i think they're done for ew—er this-i now, mainly because of this. and i now, mainly because of this. and r-wrew— now, mainly because of this. and r-wrew wren— now, mainly because of this. and i-know, when you- now, mainly because of this. and i know, when you had i just you know, when you had rere— i just you know, when you had rere ewrwerr— i just you know, when you had lord burnett there that, lord burnett there saying that, you—a- lord burnett there saying that, wew—e eere you know, he thinks it's a safe eewrrrw— you know, he thinks it's a safe eewrrrwle— you know, he thinks it's a safe country,-a safe,- country, it is a safe, it's a werreew— country, it is a safe, it's a holiday destination. rwanda wew-re— holiday destination. rwanda thev're_pe0ple| they're not sending people to wnere— torture. well, you had a nice were— torture. well, you had a nice rime-erew-r— torture. well, you had a nice time-didn't you,- time there, didn't you, sam? on,— time there, didn't you, sam? oh,-beautiful._ time there, didn't you, sam? oh,-beautiful. yeah,- time there, didn't you, sam? oh,-beautiful. yeah, it- oh, it's beautiful. yeah, it really but think what really was. but i think what the what told yesterday what i was told yesterday was that i think they were anticipating there might be issues around gay rights, things like for , for like that, protection for, for gay so the gay asylum seekers. so the government is prepared to make slight tweaks to satisfy the court's actually they are putting in protections for people. it's funny how many of us people. it's funny how many of we-wru— people. it's funny how many of we-wru ee— people. it's funny how many ofj us-will be-asylum us suddenly will be gay asylum eeeew— us suddenly will be gay asylum eeewere-rr— us suddenly will be gay asylum eeewere-rr e- us suddenly will be gay asylum seekers it ? suddenly? seekers now, isn't it? suddenly? a—eu— seekers now, isn't it? suddenly? a—eu weee- seekers now, isn't it? suddenly? a_all those youngi a lot of them, all those young veer.— a lot of them, all those young men. yeah, but— a lot of them, all those young men. yeah, but that's- a lot of them, all those young men. / men. yeah, but that's not what the gone against. the ruling has gone against. they've it's generally they've just said it's generally not which not safe, which is which is outrageous . and, you outrageous. and, you know, i don't know what can do now. don't know what we can do now. we just know how long this this don't know what we can do now. vthis st know how long this this don't know what we can do now. vthis thisiow how long this this don't know what we can do now. vthis this appeali long this this don't know what we can do now. vthis this appeal has|g this this don't know what we can do now. vthis this appeal has taken this don't know what we can do now. vthis this appeal has taken .his don't know what we can do now. vthis this appeal has taken . so , this this appeal has taken. so even government does even if the government does launch , i and the launch an appeal, i and the other you can tell me other thing you can tell me this, but maybe something

because in parliament. because you're in parliament. how did government get it so how did the government get it so wrong? they wrong? they thought they were going this? well, they going to win this? well, they weren't because— going to win this? well, they weren't because they- grir “2g “ 57 well, they weren't because they won rigrir “rig “ 57 well, they weren't because they won in the high— weren't because they won in the wew—reew- weren't because they won in the wew—reew reeel weren't because they won in the| high _they lose in hiin court and then they lose in the high court and then they lose in rwe-aeeeer. - high court and then they lose in rwe-aeeeer. .rrewl the court of appeal. but they meet— the court of appeal. but they must have had nod maybe from must have had the nod maybe from lord going must have had the nod maybe from lord way. it going must have had the nod maybe from lord way. it doesn't going must have had the nod maybe from lord way. it doesn't work|oing must have had the nod maybe from lord way. it doesn't work like your way. it doesn't work like reer— your way. it doesn't work like weer-we — your way. it doesn't work like that,-it? actually,- your way. it doesn't work like. that,-it? actually,lthink that, does it? actually, i think in ways just in some ways i've just been hitting this morning hitting the phones this morning to from to get the latest reaction from mps actually mps mps and actually some mps actually way going to actually think in a way going to the court. it gives the supreme court. it just gives you this is you that extra layer of this is actually there's no actually nailed on. there's no win. if they win. yeah win. that is if they win. yeah but feel i think but actually they feel i think they feel confident they will. but also actually in terms of timing, it's ideal timing, although it's not ideal because they to get because they were hoping to get the off the ground the first flights off the ground by october actually , by september. october actually, if you launch in january if you launch flights in january or february in the number of people on boats people coming over on the boats is you actually put is smaller, you can actually put that of people that entire boatload of people onto a flight. and symbolically, that's a good deterrent. that's quite a good deterrent. and obviously whole point of and obviously the whole point of this to deter people this policy is to deter people from if you do it from coming over. if you do it in september when there's 1000 people you people coming a day, then you can't so you kind can't do that. and so you kind of lose the impact of the deterrent that the supreme deterrent is that the supreme court, if goes a supreme

court, if it goes as a supreme court, if it goes as a supreme court, quickly. court, will act quickly. there's that there's no indication that they wru—rrew- there's no indication that they will—they could. will act quickly. they could rere— will act quickly. they couldi take _ another take they could take another six merrrre. — take they could take another six weere—rere- take they could take another six months—this isi months. i mean. well, this is this gone on for weeks. this has gone on for weeks. this is your front page of your paper— this is your front page of your peter-rewr— this is your front page of your eeeer-rew-r we- this is your front page of your paper isn't it? yeah. paper today, isn't it? yeah. rere— paper today, isn't it? yeah. i were—were this is your by—line on here rewire— this is your by—line on here. rewrwe—eew-r talking about this about. don't you dare. they weren't listening. weren't listening. they weren't rrerewrwe— listening. they weren't listening-this. listening. they weren't- listening-thislthe listening. they weren't listening this the other listening. and this is the other aspect. this is, piers, aspect. this is this is, piers, the illegal migration bill wrecking it last. that was back in the house of lords last night. they inflicted four defeats. they were actually trying defeats. trying to inflict six defeats. they to kill they were trying to kill the em. — they were trying to kill the bill. _they're- they were trying to kill the bill. _they're trying. bill. yeah, they're trying to kill bill. and the kill the bill. and the government's basically they're going this with going to have this showdown with them in the last week before recess make recess because they want to make it we're the it clear that actually we're the elected the elected government, we're the people people elected government, we're the pe0|elected people elected government, we're the pe0|elected peers. do people elected government, we're the pe0|elected peers. do not)eople elected government, we're the pe0|elected peers. do not decide and elected peers. do not decide the and elected peers. do not decide wee—ewr-rel the lang cat policy. but this is a the lang cat policy. but this is e freer— the lang cat policy. but this is errewr wre— the lang cat policy. but this is a fight the government can have and .absolutely_ a fight the government can have and absolutely because and win. absolutely because of eewreee—eeee- course it will also expose reeewr— labour, because labour absolutely— labour, because labour absolutely the absolutely fundamental. the reeewr— absolutely fundamental. the. reeewr—rrer labour and lib dem peers that put and the put forward all the and the so—called independent crossbenchers. yeah. and it's wrote her column today and wrote in her column today and this absolutely right you this is absolutely right you know lords totally out know the lords are totally out of with the people of this of touch with the people of this country. are country. they, they are not affected what is happening affected by what is happening with, with the small boats crisis. it is people in all

crisis. it is the people in all the outlying and cities the outlying towns and cities who finding that their their who are finding that their their hotels are being taken over. they're having lots of people wandering around towns . you wandering around the towns. you know, this week there know, we heard this week there was there was a rape of a migrant who a migrant raped a young woman who came here. i think i think the marriott was here for 40 days. and he showed his gratitude for being allowed into this country by raping a girl. the split in the judges, was it the lord? the lord chief twerree— was it the lord? the lord chief justice actually— was it the lord? the lord chief justice actually backed- e ririr7 the lord chief justice actually backed the policy?— justice actually backed the eerrewe wee.— justice actually backed the policy? yes. yeah. ri; policy? yes. yeah. he he's the wee— policy? yes. yeah. he he's the he's the most senior judge in he's the most seniorjudge in england, parisien,isn't he's the most seniorjudge in england, parisien, isn't it? england, le parisien, isn't it? he but the he backed the policy, but the we— he backed the policy, but the rwe—erew-r- he backed the policy, but the. rwe—erew-r-we two lesserjudges didn't. and he but two lesserjudges didn't. and he be we— two lesserjudges didn't. and he be we eere— two lesserjudges didn't. and he but he said-is— two lesserjudges didn't. and he but he said-is not- two lesserjudges didn't. and he but he said is not about but he said this is not about eerrrree— but he said this is not about eerrrree-ewrw- but he said this is not about politics. only decided but he said this is not about po|the;. only decided but he said this is not about po|the law. only decided but he said this is not about po|the law. it's only decided but he said this is not about po|the law. it's nothing:ided but he said this is not about po|the law. it's nothing toad but he said this is not about po|the law. it's nothing to do on the law. it's nothing to do wire— on the law. it's nothing to do with political— on the law. it's nothing to do with political motivations. but on with political motivations. but err eerreree— with political motivations. but on policies-is- with political motivations. but on policies-is so,- with political motivations. but on policies is so, you on policies like this is so, you knew,— on policies like this is so, you knew-weee- on policies like this is so, you know, these people on policies like this is so, you. know,-these people are know, obviously these people are rrerwee— know, obviously these people are rrerwee re— know, obviously these people are rrerwee re re— know, obviously these people are trained to be looking only at we— trained to be looking only at we rew— trained to be looking only at we rew, wer— trained to be looking only at the law, not the— trained to be looking only at the law, not the politics. but we— the law, not the politics. but we wew— the law, not the politics. but we werw were— the law, not the politics. but it's very hard in— the law, not the politics. but it's very hard in these scenarios— it's very hard in these scenarios ever be it's very hard in these- scenarioslever be completely scenarios to ever be completely rmeerrrer—rwrei impartial and not dragged into the-politically- impartial and not dragged into the-politically. - impartial and not dragged into the politically . e the politics politically. it's a huge— the politics politically. it's a huge weee— the politics politically. it's a huge mess again,— the politics politically. it's a huge mess again, isn't it? it is. the inflation targets. you're to hit that you're struggling to hit that stop is one of his stop the boats is one of his five i'm to stop five pledges. i'm going to stop the uh, you're the the boats. uh, you're not at the moment, rishi and. and rishi's

whole moment, rishi and. and rishi's weere rewo— moment, rishi and. and rishi's where were re— moment, rishi and. and rishi's whole thing is i— moment, rishi and. and rishi's whole thing is i deliver.- ?5“ rir“ri and rishi's whole thing is i deliver. i'm 35“ rir“ri and rishi's whole thing is i deliver. i'm a wee— whole thing is i deliver. i'm a kind-managerial- whole thing is i deliver. i'm a kind managerial technocrat , kind of managerial technocrat, eere— kind of managerial technocrat, eere-er— kind of managerial technocrat, eere-er-r- kind of managerial technocrat, safe .of-i don't- kind of managerial technocrat, safe .of-i don't doi safe pair of hands. i don't do all safe pair of hands. i don't do we we— safe pair of hands. i don't do all the drama— safe pair of hands. i don't do all the drama and all the big erreweee— all the drama and all the big erreweee r— all the drama and all the big promises. i just— all the drama and all the big promises. i just get on and deliver— promises. i just get on and deliver-but- promises. i just get on and deliver but actually, deliver things. but actually, if you— deliver things. but actually, if wew-eewwer— deliver things. but actually, ifi you-deliver-small you can't deliver on the small eeere— you can't deliver on the small| eeere—err boats and you can't deliver on rwrerrew— boats and you can't deliver on inflation,-always- boats and you can't deliver on inflation, always time is inflation, it was always time is renewe— inflation, it was always time is rwwwe- — inflation, it was always time is rwwwe- we- inflation, it was always time isi running- he-not running out now. he does not rewe— running out now. he does not have push this have the time to push this through labour and through and labour and i'm afraid no policy at afraid labour have no policy at all. and you know, if you but if you go online today, you you can see the comments people and see the comments from people and people enraged, people are, they are enraged, frustrated and they're saying rishi nudism, ignore the rishi can't nudism, ignore the lords, ignore the courts. now we can't do that. but he has to. tony abbott, the former australian _ tony abbott, the former australian prime minister, made a australian prime minister, made e—reerl a speech in london only last week—tweri week where he said, we just rewee— week where he said, we just turned-boats— week where he said, we just turned boats back . that's turned the boats back. that's weer— turned the boats back. that's wrrer wew— turned the boats back. that's what they did.— turned the boats back. that's what they did. and why can't we reer— what they did. and why can't we weer—eeere- what they did. and why can't we weer—eeere se- just turn the boats back? so weeeew-e— just turn the boats back? so- nobody's_explained just turn the boats back? so- nobodywhy-explained just turn the boats back? so nobody why know ained just turn the boats back? so- nobodywhy-know . ed just turn the boats back? so- nobodywhy-know . and that to why we can't know. and eeeerewe— that to why we can't know. and eeeerewe te— that to why we can't know. and according to our— that to why we can't know. and according to our maritime law, apparently do apparently we are allowed to do that country. why is that in this country. why is the rnli that in this country. why is the we reeewwe— that in this country. why is the rnli rescuing people,- “ rt.rir. why is the rnli rescuing people, escorting wew— rnli rescuing people, escorting wew-wew— rnli rescuing people, escorting them _why don't- rnli rescuing people, escorting them why don't they take them back? why don't they take wew — them back? why don't they take wew eeer— them back? why don't they take wew eeew re — them back? why don't they take them back to france? 0 them back to france? and it's interesting, when the australians did that, there crossings know, crossings went from, you know, from cut them by more from huge they cut them by more than they did in, in a period

than 90 they did in, in a period of well it was a disincentive and that's what we need isn't it. that is the point. but i rewr— it. that is the point. but i wew-eew— it. that is the point. but i. think. point - saying think the point you're saying eeewr—wrreri think the point you're saying- about_what what about labour, i mean, what what is about labour, i mean, what what re—rwee- is labour's position on this? weer—were- is labour's position on this?- what_piers position what are all the piers position on what are all the piers position e—e— what are all the piers position. on_is-archbishop on this? what is the archbishop wre— on this? what is the archbishop wee-eeer— on this? what is the archbishop wee-eeere ee— on this? what is the archbishop who been so vocally against who has been so vocally against all who has been so vocally against err—weere- who has been so vocally against all—what's his- all this? i mean, what's his alternative— all this? i mean, what's his alternative ?_ all this? i mean, what's his alternative ? there is no alternative? there is no alternative— alternative? there is no alternative this . alternative? there is no- alternativelthis. nobody's alternative to this. nobody's canterbury no to his day job. why doesn't he stick to his day job? very good question. collapsing church attendance eeueeewo— collapsing church attendance collapsing, meddling in in on a eeu. — collapsing, meddling in in on a zoom call. we'll— collapsing, meddling in in on a zoom call. we'll ask- collapsing, meddling in in on a zoom call. �*vw�*ri; ii “ ririr zoom call. we'll ask him, do you know what happened one know what happened to one archbishop long archbishop of canterbury a long time thomas becket ? no, i'm time ago, thomas becket? no, i'm not suggesting that. but you know, that's there was a time we need to we need to wrap up for now in the next few moments, we're going to be speaking to one of britain's most celebrated olympian, redgrave. olympian, sir steve redgrave. he's from he's going to join us from wewew— he's going to join us from . wewew—eeewr he's going to join us from - henley—about the henley regatta to talk about the ewe- henley regatta to talk about the erere—rrere i state of britain's rivers. more on state of britain's rivers. more err—wew.- state of britain's rivers. more. ewew—w were on that in the next hour. we're gb on that in the next hour. we're ee-erwew-e—

channel hello. it's 11:00 channel hello. it's11:00 on thursday, june the 29th. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. very busy show today. thank— pierce and bev turner. very busy show today. thank you- pierce and bev turner. very busy show today. thank you for- show today. thank you for joining— show today. thank you for joining — show today. thank you for joining us. the— show today. thank you for joining us. the court of appeal rree— joining us. the court of appeal wee-wer— joining us. the court of appeal wee-weer we— joining us. the court of appeal has that the government has ruled that the government policy— has ruled that the government. renew—re policy to send asylum seekers to were— policy to send asylum seekers to rwanda-unlawful— policy to send asylum seekers to rwanda-unlawful .— policy to send asylum seekers to rwanda unlawful . two of the rwanda is unlawful. two of the wee— rwanda is unlawful. two of the wee tweoee— rwanda is unlawful. two of the wee tweoee eew— rwanda is unlawful. two of the three judges say the east eweee— three judges say the east african country is not safe, but where— african country is not safe, but where we— african country is not safe, but what's the government going to do what's the government going to we eeewr— what's the government going to we eeewr we— what's the government going to do about it? stay— what's the government going to do about it? stay with us to free— do about it? stay with us to we ewr. — do about it? stay with us to find out. elsewhere scotland's rerwer— find out. elsewhere scotland's ferwer wef— find out. elsewhere scotland's former first minister, nicola sfwreeew— former first minister, nicola sfwreeew . — former first minister, nicola sturgeon . she's- former first minister, nicola sturgeon . “ “ sturgeon. she's been sworn in. she's evidence to she's giving evidence to the covid prepared covid inquiry and how prepared scotland was the pandemic .

scotland was for the pandemic. and one week on, from the news of the qatar trophic implosion on board the titans submersible, the us coastguard has begun to salvage wreckage , including what salvage wreckage, including what they're telling us are human remains . remains. and big scoop. in the next few minutes, we're going to be speaking to britain's most celebrated olympian. in fact, he's the world's most celebrated olympian. so steve redgrave, he's henley he's joining us from henley regatta, to talk regatta, and he's going to talk about rivers. about the state of our rivers. that's right. but first of all, were— that's right. but first of all, were re— that's right. but first of all, here is-news- that's right. but first of all, here is news with rhiannon here is your news with rhiannon rewee— here is your news with rhiannon rewee .— here is your news with rhiannon rewee . — here is your news with rhiannon rewee . wew— here is your news with rhiannon jones . thank you,— here is your news with rhiannon jones . “rife/m“ ti jones. thank you, bev. good morning. it's 11:01. jones. thank you, bev. good morning. it's11:01. your top morning. it's 11:01. your top stories from the gb news room . stories from the gb news room. and we start with some breaking news. iraq's most senior counter—terrorism officer says british islamic state terrorists are planning what's being

described as a big attack on a pubuc described as a big attack on a public gathering in the uk. general abdul wahab al—saadi told the mirror newspaper his forces discovered the news just days ago after killing dozens of so—called isis militant. it's in a desert hideout and we'll bring you more on that story as we get it . and in other breaking news, it. and in other breaking news, the court of appeal has ruled the court of appeal has ruled the government policy to send asylum seekers to rwanda is unlawful. it follows calls from individual asylum seekers and the charity asylum aid to challenge a previous high court ruling. two of the three judges today found the east african nafion today found the east african nation wasn't a safe country. the rwandan government, though, says it's one of the safest in the world. presiding judge lord burnett says asylum seekers are at risk of inhumane treatment . at risk of inhumane treatment. efficiencies in the asylum ewefew — efficiencies in the asylum ewefew w— efficiencies in the asylum system in rwanda are such that were— system in rwanda are such that were ee— system in rwanda are such that there are substantial grounds for believing— there are substantial grounds for believing that there is a reef— for believing that there is a reef wew— for believing that there is a real risk that— for believing that there is a real risk that persons sent to

rewewee— real risk that persons sent to were wru— real risk that persons sent to rwanda will be— real risk that persons sent to rwanda will be returned to their eewe— rwanda will be returned to their home countries— rwanda will be returned to their home countries where they face eereeewfrew— home countries where they face eereeewfrew er— home countries where they face persecution or other inhumane freefwew— persecution or other inhumane freefwew ,— persecution or other inhumane treatment , when— persecution or other inhumane treatment, when in persecution or other inhumane treatment , when in fact they treatment, when in fact they fewe — treatment, when in fact they fewe e— treatment, when in fact they fewe e eeee— treatment, when in fact they have a good claim for asylum . in have a good claim for asylum. in freer— have a good claim for asylum. in ffef eewee— have a good claim for asylum. in that sense, rwanda— have a good claim for asylum. in that sense, rwanda is not a safe ferre— that sense, rwanda is not a safe fwre eewwrw— that sense, rwanda is not a safe fwre eewwrw. — that sense, rwanda is not a safe third country. boris- that sense, rwanda is not a safe third country . ““ third country. boris johnson's allies have been criticised by the privileges committee for what it describes as undermining the house of commons procedures. they include nadine , doris, they include nadine, doris, jacob rees—mogg and priti patel. the privileges committee report two weeks ago found the former prime minister had repeatedly misled parliament over covid breaches in number 10. the inquiry now says mps should consider whether their actions could be a contempt of parliament and what further action to take. shadow leader of the house of commons, thangam debbonaire, says that the prime minister is too weak to deal with the issue . we need to with the issue. we need to reeeeef— with the issue. we need to reeeeef free— with the issue. we need to respect the fact— with the issue. we need to respect the fact that- we need to respect the fact that the rrrwrfeeee— respect the fact that the privileges committee have worked wereewfw— privileges committee have worked incredibly hard— privileges committee have worked incredibly hard and— privileges committee have worked incredibly hard and it just efrewe— incredibly hard and it just shows weak— incredibly hard and it just shows weak leadership from rishi swer— shows weak leadership from rishi sunak-couldn't- shows weak leadership from rishi sunak couldn't comment sunak that he couldn't comment on sunak that he couldn't comment err-previewe— sunak that he couldn't comment on previous privileges on the previous privileges cewwrffee—

on the previous privileges committee-.- on the previous privileges committee-. i- on the previous privileges committee . i wonder if committee report. i wonder if fee-e— committee report. i wonder if we going— committee report. i wonder if we eewoleef— committee report. i wonder if we eewoleef-fel he's going to get round to eewwewwe— he's going to get round to commenting on this one. it's efewf—e- commenting on this one. it's about—a strongi about time we had a strong reefer— about time we had a strong leader under— about time we had a strong leader under rishi sunak. all we've seen is— leader under rishi sunak. all we've seen is weakness. someone leader under rishi sunak. all we'vcan'tn is weakness. someone leader under rishi sunak. all we'vcan't stand eakness. someone leader under rishi sunak. all we'vcan't stand up ness. someone leader under rishi sunak. all we'vcan't stand up nerborismeone who can't stand up to boris reweee— who can't stand up to boris johnson dishonourable johnson on his dishonourable fewewre— johnson on his dishonourable honours list— johnson on his dishonourable honours list doesn't to be honours list doesn't seem to be fixing— honours list doesn't seem to be fewer-eeer— honours list doesn't seem to be fixing-costlliving- honours list doesn't seem to be fixing cost living crisis fixing the cost of living crisis anv— fixing the cost of living crisis eww rwe— fixing the cost of living crisis eww rrwe eeer— fixing the cost of living crisis any time soon. i— fixing the cost of living crisis any time soon. i think what we reeffw— any time soon. i think what we reeffw rreee— any time soon. i think what we really need general really need is a general efeefrew— really need is a general election . _ really need is a general election . really need is a general- election . thames water says it's election. thames water says it's working with shareholders to secure extra cash as ministers draw up contingency plans in the event of its collapse. the uk's biggest water supplier is battling to finance the £14 billion worth of debt following interest rate rises. parliamentary under—secretary for health neil o'brien says the government will step in if needed.so government will step in if needed. so in the first instance, these are issues for these private companies to sort out. at these private companies to sort out . at the these private companies to sort out. at the moment it's speculation— out. at the moment it's speculation and- at the moment it's speculation and because they're ewefe— speculation and because they're private companies— speculation and because they're private companies it's for them ewe— private companies it's for them ewe freew— private companies it's for them and their shareholders to sort out and their shareholders to sort ewr enw— and their shareholders to sort out any issues— and their shareholders to sort out any issues that they are feewe— out any issues that they are feewo. arre— out any issues that they are feewo. we r— out any issues that they are facing. and i read in the papers we— facing. and i read in the papers fffe werewo— facing. and i read in the papers this morning about various effewe— this morning about various efforts that— this morning about various efforts that they are doing to do efforts that they are doing to we exeeffw— efforts that they are doing to do exactly that. _ efforts that they are doing to do exactly that. obviously, this is do exactly that. obviously, this re e— do exactly that. obviously, this re e rreewfw— do exactly that. obviously, this

is a heavily regulated industry erre— is a heavily regulated industry end we— is a heavily regulated industry and the government does have eewwoewew— and the government does have contingency plans, but in the firef— contingency plans, but in the first instance,— contingency plans, but in the first instance, these are ewefe— first instance, these are private companies and they need to private companies and they need re eew— private companies and they need re eew ewr— private companies and they need re eew ewr enw— private companies and they need to sort out any financing issues for themselves— to sort out any financing issues for themselves. _ to sort out any financing issues for themselves . ti for themselves. scotland's former first minister, nicola sturgeon and former deputy first minister john swinney are sturgeon and former deputy first ministerjohn swinney are giving evidence to the covid inquiry. ms sturgeon is being questioned on how prepared scotland was for the pandemic as well as how she handled it. jean freeman, the former cabinet for secretary health and sport, said yesterday there was no plan that could have helped the country cope with covid 19 . a police officer with covid 19. a police officer is being investigated for murder after fatally shooting a teen dunng after fatally shooting a teen during a traffic stop in paris. people took to the streets across france to protest against the killing, shooting fireworks at police and setting alight cars. 150 people have been arrested so far for rioting.

speaking at the start of a crisis meeting with senior ministers earlier, french president emmanuel macron called the violence unjustifiable . new the violence unjustifiable. new sanctions have been introduced against russia. the uk has blocked the country from accessing its legal advice. kremlin based individuals and businesses will no longer be able to get advice from uk lawyers. this includes everything from trade deals between global corporations to international money lending. russia's highly dependent on the west for legal expertise , with west for legal expertise, with the uk exporting £56 million and services to russian businesses every year . services to russian businesses every year. and virgin galactic is preparing for its first commercial flight to the edge of space. a three man crew from italy will be on board the rocket plane called vss unity, along with an astronaut instructor during the 90 minute flight. it will carry out 13 scientific research experiments.

it's expected to launch from spaceport america in new mexico later this is gb news. we'll bnng later this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back over to andrew and . andrew and. bev well, it's a huge andrew and. bev— . well, it's a huge setback. the well, it's a huge setback. the court - well, it's a huge setback. the eeere—rwee- . well, it's a huge setback. the court—ruled the- court of appeal has ruled the eewewwew-fe— court of appeal has ruled the government's much vaunted plan to government's much vaunted plan fe-rffeeef— government's much vaunted plan to-illegal-underl to deport illegal migrants under is to deport illegal migrants under re—rf-e— is not lawful. it's a devastating- is not lawful. it's a devastating verdict for rishi efeeoee— devastating verdict for rishi efeeoee fe— devastating verdict for rishi pledged to stop migrants errrwwe— pledged to stop migrants errrwwe ew— pledged to stop migrants arriving by boat. our home eeewrww— arriving by boat. our home security editor,— arriving by boat. our home security editor, mark white is we— security editor, mark white is we fer— security editor, mark white is we fer we— security editor, mark white is live for us now— security editor, mark white is live for us now at— security editor, mark white is live for us now at the royal cewwe— live for us now at the royal cewwe ef— live for us now at the royal courts of justice.- live for us now at the royal courts of justice. mark, i guess were— courts of justice. mark, i guess were wru— courts of justice. mark, i guess were wrff ee— courts of justice. mark, i guess there will be some— courts of justice. mark, i guess there will be some succour for free— there will be some succour for the government— there will be some succour for the government in— there will be some succour for the government in the fact it e eew— the government in the fact it was a split verdict by the referee— was a split verdict by the rweee-free- was a split verdict by the judges the lord chief judges and the lord chief twefree— judges and the lord chief justice actually judges and the lord chief- justice-actually thought justice himself actually thought that justice himself actually thought ffref we— justice himself actually thought we we eefrew— justice himself actually thought that the policy was lawful . yeah that the policy was lawful. yeah arre— that the policy was lawful. yeah we r— that the policy was lawful. yeah awe r rewr— that the policy was lawful. yeah and i think because it was a eew— and i think because it was a split decision,—

and i think because it was a split decision, the majority of rwee— split decision, the majority of rwfee ef— split decision, the majority of rules, of course,— split decision, the majority of rules, of course, those two eeeeef— rules, of course, those two eeeeef eewerf— rules, of course, those two appeal courts, judges overruling in appeal courts, judges overruling w e— appeal courts, judges overruling in a sense that— appeal courts, judges overruling in a sense that the belief by free— in a sense that the belief by we rere— in a sense that the belief by the lord chief— in a sense that the belief by the lord chief justice that this e fewfwf— the lord chief justice that this was a lawful policy, but the few— was a lawful policy, but the feef wef— was a lawful policy, but the feef ffef ff— was a lawful policy, but the fact that it was— was a lawful policy, but the fact that it was a split eeererew— fact that it was a split decision can- fact that it was a split decision can make it inevitable. i decision can make it inevitable. rffww— decision can make it inevitable. rfwww wef— decision can make it inevitable. i think that this— decision can make it inevitable. i think that this is— decision can make it inevitable. i think that this is headed- decision can make it inevitable. i think that this is headed for the supreme court, but there's no doubt that this has taken the government completely by surprise . and the indications i surprise. and the indications i was getting is that they were fairly confident that the appeal court judges would side with that original decision made by the high court in december of last year. well, for some instant reaction, we can speak to natasha. separate from the freedom from torture charity. tell us, if you would, natasha , tell us, if you would, natasha, your reaction, first of all, to just what the court of appeal

has decided here today ? so today has decided here today? so today is a real victory for— has decided here today? so today is a real victory for people- is a real victory for people eeewwe— is a real victory for people seeking safety— is a real victory for people seeking safety in this country, but seeking safety in this country, we we— seeking safety in this country, we we efee— seeking safety in this country, but it's also a— seeking safety in this country, but it's also a victory for reason and— but it's also a victory for reason and compassion, because weer— reason and compassion, because we we— reason and compassion, because we we eewe— reason and compassion, because what the court has— reason and compassion, because what the court has decided is freer— what the court has decided is we ewerwe— what the court has decided is that rwanda is— what the court has decided is that rwanda is not a safe eewwrw— that rwanda is not a safe eewwrw erre— that rwanda is not a safe country and presents a real risk to individuals— country and presents a real risk to individuals of— country and presents a real risk to individuals of a— country and presents a real risk to individuals of a breach to ewefe— to individuals of a breach to article three. _ to individuals of a breach to article three. so- to individuals of a breach to article three. , article three. so a risk of persecution or harm coming their way . so this is we're very way. so this is we're very pleased with the result today because a number of organisations and parliamentarians and faith leaders and the unhcr refugee body have all said for many months now that this is an immoral scheme and should never have happened and that rwanda was not safe. but the appeal eewe— was not safe. but the appeal eewrf were— was not safe. but the appeal eewrf were re— was not safe. but the appeal court here is not— was not safe. but the appeal court here is not was- but the appeal court here is not was not eeerewe— court here is not was not deciding this— court here is not was not deciding this case on the moral rweerefrwe— deciding this case on the moral rweerefrwe er— deciding this case on the moral imperative or other words. you knew,— imperative or other words. you knew, wfrefewer— imperative or other words. you know, whatever it— imperative or other words. you know, whatever it was purely on few— know, whatever it was purely on few erre— know, whatever it was purely on law and whether,— know, whatever it was purely on law and whether, of course,

ewerwe— law and whether, of course, rewewee re— law and whether, of course, rewewee re e— law and whether, of course, rwanda is a safe- law and whether, of course, rwanda is a safe country. we freew— rwanda is a safe country. we weere free— rwanda is a safe country. we heard the lord— rwanda is a safe country. we heard the lord chief justice were— heard the lord chief justice were eewwo— heard the lord chief justice there saying that actually he were— there saying that actually he were free— there saying that actually he thinks the risk— there saying that actually he thinks the risk to asylum eeeew— thinks the risk to asylum seekers sent— thinks the risk to asylum seekers sent to rwanda then eewe— seekers sent to rwanda then eewe eew— seekers sent to rwanda then being sent back— seekers sent to rwanda then being sent back to their home eewfrw— being sent back to their home countryr ee— being sent back to their home countryr wew— being sent back to their home country, was very low . t/ri;5r country, was very low. yes, but we— country, was very low. yes, but the bottom line is, is that yes, you're absolutely right. today was a legal judgement and that judgement determined that rwanda is not a safe country for people to be sent to. but nonetheless , to be sent to. but nonetheless, alongside this, from our perspective as well and the perspective as well and the perspective of multiple people across the country , it is an across the country, it is an immoral scheme and it was a cash for humans deal that the government was trying to strike and it has failed and the government really needs to take a long, hard look at these types of proposals that they're putting forward and abandon their plans. just just very erreffw— their plans. just just very frfeffw ,— their plans. just just very erreffw , we— , just just very briefly , me, though, are you briefly, me, though, are you ereeeree— briefly, me, though, are you ereeeree ew— briefly, me, though, are you prepared now for this going to the prepared now for this going to we supreme— prepared now for this going to the supreme court? that's the wewfeefe— the supreme court? that's the inevitable - here. - the supreme court? that's the inevitable here. isn't inevitable outcome here. isn't it unfortunate— inevitable outcome here. isn't

it unfortunate ? _ inevitable outcome here. isn't it unfortunate ? g inevitable outcome here. isn't it unfortunate ? @ �*vw�*ri; ririr it unfortunate? ali, we do expect— it unfortunate? ali, we do expect the government may well continue to be belligerent and push forward these inhumane policies. so we would not be surprised if they do take it to the supreme court if they do freedom from torture will continue to represent our clients in our therapy rooms and we'll be standing in solidarity with people seeking safety and torture survivors against these sorts of immoral policies. okay , natasha tsangarides,- t okay , natasha tsangarides, thank you wew— , natasha tsangarides, thank you werw weere— , natasha tsangarides, thank you very much indeed— , natasha tsangarides, thank you very much indeed forjoining us on very much indeed forjoining us err ee— very much indeed forjoining us err ere wewe— very much indeed forjoining us on gb news there.— very much indeed forjoining us on gb news there. so that's the reeefrew— on gb news there. so that's the reaction from _ on gb news there. so that's the reaction from one— on gb news there. so that's the reaction from one of the ewerwee. — reaction from one of the charities. clearly as you would eweee— charities. clearly as you would expect wew— charities. clearly as you would expect, very pleased with that eewe— expect, very pleased with that eewrf ef— expect, very pleased with that eewrf ef aeeeef— expect, very pleased with that court of appeal decision today. ewr— court of appeal decision today. we r— court of appeal decision today. we r freew— court of appeal decision today. but i think it's— court of appeal decision today. but i think it's inevitable it's needed— but i think it's inevitable it's needed ew— but i think it's inevitable it's headed now for— but i think it's inevitable it's headed now for the supreme court . ae— headed now for the supreme court . we r— headed now for the supreme court . we r eew— headed now for the supreme court . we r save free— headed now for the supreme court . as i say, the indications that i . as i say, the indications that ree— . as i say, the indications that r oeffwe— . as i say, the indications that rwee eeffwo re— . as i say, the indications that i was getting is that the wrwefere— i was getting is that the ministers were confident that the ministers were confident that frre eewe— ministers were confident that we eewrf ef— ministers were confident that the court of appeal would eewwwe— the court of appeal would continue to— the court of appeal would continue to rule that this was a

fewfwf— continue to rule that this was a lawful decision.— continue to rule that this was a lawful decision. this policy of eewewe— lawful decision. this policy of eewewo eeeefe— lawful decision. this policy of sending people to rwanda, that at sending people to rwanda, that ef free— sending people to rwanda, that ef we ewe— sending people to rwanda, that ef we end ef— sending people to rwanda, that at the end of the— sending people to rwanda, that at the end of the day, the eefeoweree— at the end of the day, the safeguards in— at the end of the day, the safeguards in place , the safeguards in place, the wewferwe— safeguards in place, the monitoring mechanisms that would take monitoring mechanisms that would fewe weee— monitoring mechanisms that would fewe efeee ew— monitoring mechanisms that would fewe efeee few we— monitoring mechanisms that would take place by the rwandan oewewwew— take place by the rwandan government would be enough to wef— government would be enough to ensure that people sent to ewerwe— ensure that people sent to rewewee ee— ensure that people sent to rwanda are safe. ensure that people sent to- rwanda are safe. okay. thank you , mark. joining us now for more on this, deputy political editor , tom harwood. good morning, tom. it's a huge blow for the government, isn't it? it certainly is . and ri““, g.“ g j it certainly is . and this was, i certainly is. and this was, i wew,— certainly is. and this was, i think, unexpected because, of free— think, unexpected because, of course, the government had won erewrewefw— course, the government had won erewrewefw err— course, the government had won erewrewefw ere many— course, the government had won previously on many of these eferwe. — previously on many of these eferwe. awe— previously on many of these claims. and this— previously on many of these claims. and this split decision, however, does— claims. and this split decision, however, does create a space for the however, does create a space for we eewewwew— however, does create a space for the government. now, we haven't got the government. now, we haven't eef ferwef— the government. now, we haven't got formal indication of what freew— got formal indication of what wew rweee— got formal indication of what they intend to— got formal indication of what they intend to do. we should get wef— they intend to do. we should get ffef eerfw— they intend to do. we should get ffef eerfw rwe— they intend to do. we should get that early this afternoon soon. ewr— that early this afternoon soon. we r— that early this afternoon soon. we r weere— that early this afternoon soon. but i would be— that early this afternoon soon. but i would be very surprised if the government— but i would be very surprised if the government did not take this to the government did not take this re free— the government did not take this re we supreme— the government did not take this to the supreme court and push it fwrffrer. — to the supreme court and push it fwrffrer. rf-e— to the supreme court and push it fwrffrer. rf-e ee— to the supreme court and push it further. it's so totemic for wher— further. it's so totemic for we wew-re— further. it's so totemic for what they're trying to do. but if what they're trying to do. but ff wew— what they're trying to do. but ff wew wew — what they're trying to do. but if they then get— what they're trying to do. but if they then get defeated again, like maybe it's just time to go

all right, isn't going to all right, this isn't going to work. come up with work. we've got to come up with a plan b, they appear have a plan b, they appear to have a plan though, tom, do they? plan b, though, tom, do they? there are political there are some political commentators- commentators who would say that reweee— perhaps this plays into the government's— government's hand. there are weee— government's hand. there are those government who those in the government who weere—fwew-wei those in the government who- would _they've been would point to what they've been frwwe — would point to what they've been were re — would point to what they've been were re ee — would point to what they've been were re ee err— would point to what they've been trying to do on the— would point to what they've been trying to do on the issues with the trying to do on the issues with we fewer— trying to do on the issues with the border and— trying to do on the issues with the border and perhaps there are efee— the border and perhaps there are efee weee— the border and perhaps there are also those who— the border and perhaps there are also those who say— the border and perhaps there are also those who say that this ewerwe— also those who say that this rwanda deterrence scheme might not rwanda deterrence scheme might ref eefweffw— rwanda deterrence scheme might ref eefweffw ee— rwanda deterrence scheme might not actually be that deterring for not actually be that deterring fer ee— not actually be that deterring for some people. _ not actually be that deterring for some people. so it might not wew.— for some people. so it might not wew. awe— for some people. so it might not work. and what— for some people. so it might not work. and what this allows the eewewwew— work. and what this allows the oewewwewf fe— work. and what this allows the government to do, being in this eereefwef— government to do, being in this eereefwef efefe— government to do, being in this perpetual state of— government to do, being in this perpetual state of suspended ewwefrew— perpetual state of suspended animation is— perpetual state of suspended animation is say, look, we're frwwe— animation is say, look, we're were re— animation is say, look, we're were re stop— animation is say, look, we're trying to stop the boats, but weee— trying to stop the boats, but these lawyers— trying to stop the boats, but these lawyers and these eefrwefe— these lawyers and these activists, these charity groups erre— activists, these charity groups ewe weeee— activists, these charity groups and indeed even— activists, these charity groups and indeed even the un high commissioner— and indeed even the un high commissioner for refugees being part commissioner for refugees being pew ef— commissioner for refugees being pew ef rwe— commissioner for refugees being part of this case,— commissioner for refugees being part of this case, what some wew— part of this case, what some might pejorative— part of this case, what some might pejorative term as the free— might pejorative term as the free ee— might pejorative term as the blob are are stopping the government— blob are are stopping the government enacting their preferred— government enacting their preferred policy reached an eereewew— preferred policy reached an agreement with the government of ewerwee.— agreement with the government of were. rwe— agreement with the government of rwanda. this could— agreement with the government of rwanda. this could be something that rwanda. this could be something ffref re— rwanda. this could be something that is actually— rwanda. this could be something that is actually in— rwanda. this could be something that is actually in terms of a werrerfwe— that is actually in terms of a narrative for— that is actually in terms of a narrative for the— that is actually in terms of a narrative for the home secretary a narrative for the home secretary

e eefweef— narrative for the home secretary a political positive, even werew— a political positive, even though obviously a policy ferfwre— though obviously a policy failure that— though obviously a policy failure that charity work are going— failure that charity work are going err— failure that charity work are going on about— failure that charity work are going on about stopping torture. refre— going on about stopping torture. weffe .— going on about stopping torture. weffe . are— going on about stopping torture. hello . are these— going on about stopping torture. hello . are these people- going on about stopping torture. hello. are these people being tortured in france who are crossing the channel? mean, crossing the channel? i mean, it's ridiculous . this is but it's ridiculous. this is but we— it's ridiculous. this is but fffe re— it's ridiculous. this is but fffe re ee— it's ridiculous. this is but this is one of— it's ridiculous. this is but this is one of the- e , ri t this is but this is one of the things that wef— this is one of the things that we r— this is one of the things that we r-wwe- this is one of the things that that i-kindlsticksl this is one of the things that that i kind sticks in that i always kind of sticks in my that i always kind of sticks in ww-wfrew— that i always kind of sticks in ww-wfew we— that i always kind of sticks in my when we about that i always kind of sticks in- my-when we-about this my craw when we talk about this is my craw when we talk about this re-exfew— my craw when we talk about this re-exfewf ee— my craw when we talk about this is-extent are these- is to what extent are these eeeefe— is to what extent are these eeeefe wfe — is to what extent are these people who are— is to what extent are these people who are they like? are freew— people who are they like? are wew eerwwefw— people who are they like? are they genuinely are families, weffere— they genuinely are families, mothers, children , even fleeing mothers, children, even fleeing frew— mothers, children, even fleeing from countries— mothers, children, even fleeing from countries where they've been — from countries where they've been subjected— from countries where they've been subjected to torture and rwerreewwew— been subjected to torture and imprisonment and risk death? o” imprisonment and risk death? or are imprisonment and risk death? or wew— imprisonment and risk death? or are they ? absolutely.— imprisonment and risk death? o” ”c: 7 absolutely. young men are they? absolutely. young men we— are they? absolutely. young men we tref— are they? absolutely. young men wfee twef rewr— are they? absolutely. young men who just think i— are they? absolutely. young men who just think i can— ”c: e“rig7 absolutely. young men who just think i can come to werew— who just think i can come to england because— who just think i can come to england because a, i can speak the england because a, i can speak we fewereoe— england because a, i can speak the language. i've— england because a, i can speak the language. i've got family were— the language. i've got family were er— the language. i've got family there or i've— the language. i've got family there or i've got— the language. i've got family there or i've got a family there erre— there or i've got a family there ewe wew-re— there or i've got a family there and they're going— there or i've got a family there and they're going to hook me up wrff— with a hotel and tonnes of eewefwe— with a hotel and tonnes of benefits-of- with a hotel and tonnes ofi benefits. _of-other benefits. one of the other things that speaking to things that i was speaking to someone recently someone in france about recently is that european countries is that in european countries it's a lot harder for people who are undocumented to work. it's a lot harder for people who ar

society. but also that does make us more attractive for market us a more attractive for market people to come to if they are undocumented . but is undocumented. and but it is interesting . we're talking about interesting. we're talking about the have the numbers that have been surging and certainly small surging and certainly the small boats surging , but boats have been surging, but those lorries as those arriving on lorries as that's gone down massively and potentially because we've got better at finding them, we have built a maze like infrastructure around the port of calais. we've got barbed wire fences after fences, after ditches , after fences, after ditches, after divots, after patrolled areas . i divots, after patrolled areas. i mean, the fortifications of that port has been enormous. and to some extent that hasn't ended. the problem . it's pushed the the problem. it's pushed the problem down. the beaches. interesting. yeah, well, it's a huge problem. and we tell them we think we'll probably get some guidance from the home secretary around . we will get around afternoon. we will get word around afternoon. we will get were frew — around afternoon. we will get word from number— around afternoon. we will get word from number 10.- “ri “ we will get word from number 10. i'll be oeffwe— word from number 10. i'll be eeffwo wef— word from number 10. i'll be getting that after midday. well, perhaps— getting that after midday. well, eeweee we— getting that after midday. well, perhaps we would expect to be effe— perhaps we would expect to be eere fe— perhaps we would expect to be eere re referr— perhaps we would expect to be able to report that around half eeer— able to report that around half eeef 12,— able to report that around half eeef 12, wewee— able to report that around half past 12, maybe 1245. �*vw�*rigi past 12, maybe 1245. well, that weere— past 12, maybe 1245. well, that would be with mark and pip, of

course. so stay tuned . but gb course. so stay tuned. but gb news, because we're going to keep you up to date on this major story. the government stop the boats policy has been dubbed unlawful by the court of appeal. all you, tom. the all right. thank you, tom. the us all right. thank you, tom. the us ceeefewere— all right. thank you, tom. the us coastguard .that- all right. thank you, tom. the us coastguard that prison us coastguard says that prison doomed remains been doomed human remains have been recovered from the wreckage of the submersible the titan submersible submersible that imploded the titan submersible submeithisa that imploded the titan submersible submeithis month mploded the titan submersible submeithis month ,iploded the titan submersible submeithis month , killing all earlier this month, killing all five on board. medical five people on board. medical officials-analysing- officials are analysing the- remains—discovered remains which were discovered weer— remains which were discovered weer-frew — remains which were discovered when _from .craft- remains which were discovered when from craft was when debris from the craft was renewed— when debris from the craft was retrieved _ocean - retrieved from the ocean floor eww—ref-e- retrieved from the ocean floor wew—eere eer- retrieved from the ocean floor only _ let's get the only yesterday. let's get the thoughts of retired submarine captain ryan ramsey. good morning, . i think, first of morning, ryan. i think, first of all, we were so surprised that they recovered any sort of debns they recovered any sort of debris and then even more shocked at the suggest that some of the bodies of these individuals have been retrieved . and good morning. so i'm less surprised . and good morning. so i'm less ewrerreee freer— . and good morning. so i'm less surprised that they— . and good morning. so i'm less surprised that they found- ' “ri igi “rig so i'm less surprised that they found the eeerre. — surprised that they found the eeerre. wew— surprised that they found the debris. they had— surprised that they found the debris. they had remote eeerefwe— debris. they had remote operating vehicles already down were.— operating vehicles already down were. se— operating vehicles already down were. se ff— operating vehicles already down there. so it was— operating vehicles already down there. so it was a— operating vehicles already down there. so it was a case of could freew— there. so it was a case of could wew reeewer— there. so it was a case of could they recover that— there. so it was a case of could they recover that debris and bring— they recover that debris and were ff— they recover that debris and bring ff we,— they recover that debris and bring it up, which they've weweeee— bring it up, which they've weweoee fe— bring it up, which they've managed to do successfully. i we— managed to do successfully. i we wew— managed to do successfully. i we wew fe— managed to do successfully. i like you to i'm— managed to do successfully. i like you to i'm very surprised wef— like you to i'm very surprised

ffef freew— like you to i'm very surprised that they found— like you to i'm very surprised that they found human remains were— that they found human remains were wef— that they found human remains within that debris— that they found human remains within that debris , and that within that debris, and that weere— within that debris, and that wewfe ee— within that debris, and that would be for— within that debris, and that would be for coroners to look at. would be for coroners to look ef. arre— would be for coroners to look at. and identify.— would be for coroners to look at. and identify. i— would be for coroners to look at. and identify. i think the reefrfw— at. and identify. i think the reefrfw re— at. and identify. i think the reality is they'll work out what feeeewee— reality is they'll work out what feeeewee erre— reality is they'll work out what happened and from the debris wef— happened and from the debris ffef wew-we— happened and from the debris that they've got— happened and from the debris that they've got and hopefully ewe— that they've got and hopefully we ee— that they've got and hopefully give some closure to this tragic eeer— give some closure to this tragic eweef rwe— give some closure to this tragic event, the because what we don't we een-f— event, the because what we don't we een-f knew— event, the because what we don't we don't know the— event, the because what we don't we don't know the details yet, do we don't know the details yet, we wee — we don't know the details yet, we wee fer— we don't know the details yet, do we? but ryan— we don't know the details yet, do we? but ryan but- we don't know the details yet, do we? 3,5“ e“ri;tri; we don't know the details yet, do we? 3,5“ do we? but ryan but there is a suggestion now that the submersible had been unloading some of its ballast , which some of its ballast, which suggests that perhaps they knew they were in trouble, whereas they were in trouble, whereas the original suggestion was it would have been instant and they'd known nothing about they'd have known nothing about it so they might have known it. yes so they might have known freew— it. yes so they might have known ffrew wee— it. yes so they might have known ffrew w— it. yes so they might have known they were in trouble. _ e t/ri;5r so they might have known they were in trouble. well, however, they— they were in trouble. well, however, they would have thought at however, they would have thought ef wef— however, they would have thought ef ffef eewr— however, they would have thought at that point that— however, they would have thought at that point that there was a reeewereeef — at that point that there was a recoverable situation, the wewew— recoverable situation, the wewew ef— recoverable situation, the moment of implosion was less freew— moment of implosion was less were few— moment of implosion was less than four milliseconds. and the were— than four milliseconds. and the were een-f— than four milliseconds. and the brain can't comprehend anything that brain can't comprehend anything we quick-— brain can't comprehend anything freer ewew- se— brain can't comprehend anything that quick. so they just wewfew-f— that quick. so they just wouldn't have known anything eeewf— wouldn't have known anything eeewf ff— wouldn't have known anything eeewf ff erre— wouldn't have known anything about it and therefore didn't ewffer— about it and therefore didn't ewffer enw— about it and therefore didn't suffer any pain— about it and therefore didn't suffer any pain during that free— suffer any pain during that final phase. _ suffer any pain during that final phase. “rig final phase. i'm just saying about the water pressure

involved. ryan and the scale of the implosion, it does make you really sceptical that there are human remains, that they've been able to recover . yes, i agree . i able to recover. yes, i agree. i rewr— able to recover. yes, i agree. i fffrw ef— able to recover. yes, i agree. i think at 3800m_ able to recover. yes, i agree. i think at 3800m the- t yes, i agree. i think at 3800m the pressure is rewefrfw— think at 3800m the pressure is reweww eee— think at 3800m the pressure is reweww eee eer— think at 3800m the pressure is roughly 400 bar and roughly weere— roughly 400 bar and roughly were few— roughly 400 bar and roughly where they believe that this rwefeeee— where they believe that this rwefeeee ,— where they believe that this imploded , the— where they believe that this imploded , the pressure would be imploded, the pressure would be eeewf— imploded, the pressure would be eeewf zoo— imploded, the pressure would be about 200 bar.— imploded, the pressure would be about 200 bar. and if you want to about 200 bar. and if you want re ewr— about 200 bar. and if you want re ewr freer— about 200 bar. and if you want re ewr we re— about 200 bar. and if you want to put that in perspective, a few— to put that in perspective, a ferrw wre— to put that in perspective, a ferrw we re— to put that in perspective, a lorry tire is ten— to put that in perspective, a lorry tire is ten bar. so you rweewe— lorry tire is ten bar. so you can imagine that that's a huge ewerw— can imagine that that's a huge ewewef ef— can imagine that that's a huge amount of pressure. what is ewrerrewe— amount of pressure. what is ewrerrewo re— amount of pressure. what is surprising is how much of the reru— surprising is how much of the few free— surprising is how much of the hull has survived— surprising is how much of the hull has survived intact and freer— hull has survived intact and ffeef freer— hull has survived intact and that that that— hull has survived intact and that that that didn't go to eweffer— that that that didn't go to smaller pieces. ' “ri ririr smaller pieces. and so do we presume then, ryan, that the implosion was where these two separate metals balls were connected as it carbon fibre and titanium and therefore there was a weakness point ? yes, i believe a weakness point? yes, i believe freer-e— a weakness point? yes, i believe were free— a weakness point? yes, i believe that's the case,— a weakness point? yes, i believe that's the case, but— a weakness point? yes, i believe that's the case, but it's- “7 yes, i believe that's the case, but it's from a werwwe— that's the case, but it's from a maritime investigation, an eeereeref— maritime investigation, an accident investigation board to

wew— accident investigation board to wew ff— accident investigation board to wew ff ewr. — accident investigation board to wew ff ewr. r— accident investigation board to work it out. i mean the dissimilar— work it out. i mean the dissimilar metals. so they're reef— dissimilar metals. so they're reef ewe.— dissimilar metals. so they're not alike. these— dissimilar metals. so they're not alike. these carbon fibre ewe— not alike. these carbon fibre and titanium— not alike. these carbon fibre and titanium and therefore weere-e— and titanium and therefore there's always— and titanium and therefore there's always going to be a weakness at— there's always going to be a weakness at that particular rewer.— weakness at that particular terref. wee— weakness at that particular few. we ff— weakness at that particular joint. and if you think that it free— joint. and if you think that it free eeere— joint. and if you think that it had been down— joint. and if you think that it had been down to down to had been down to been down to the had been down to been down to we were— had been down to been down to the titanic three— had been down to been down to the titanic three times before, eeere— the titanic three times before, eeere-ff— the titanic three times before, eeere-ff eeee— the titanic three times before, each it goes down to the each time it goes down to the were— each time it goes down to the weere-freo— each time it goes down to the titanic-400 bar- each time it goes down to the titanic-400 bar of- each time it goes down to the titanic 400 bar of pressure titanic with 400 bar of pressure , it titanic with 400 bar of pressure , ff eere— titanic with 400 bar of pressure , ff eere weee— titanic with 400 bar of pressure , it puts those joints at huge rereee— , it puts those joints at huge farage exposure— , it puts those joints at huge farage exposure and to degradation— farage exposure and to degradation and so unless wew-we— degradation and so unless rreew-we eer— degradation and so unless they've got really good maintenance - they've got really good maintenance regimes or they ereefwewe— maintenance regimes or they analysing those— maintenance regimes or they analysing those joints and the ewe— analysing those joints and the efefee ef— analysing those joints and the states of the— analysing those joints and the states of the materials , states of the materials, ewerefweffw— states of the materials, eventually this is going to fewer. — eventually this is going to renew. weere— eventually this is going to renew. weere — eventually this is going to happen. yeah 35“ eventually this is going to happen. yeah 3,5“ “ rt.ri; eventually this is going to- happen. yeah ryan always nice to talk to you and really illuminating actually . a illuminating actually. a submarine, retired submarine captain ryan ramsey there. now ryan was when we were t “ 3,5“ 3 now ryan was when we were talking to you ryan was when we were talking to wew reef— ryan was when we were talking to wew reef week,— ryan was when we were talking to you last week, of— ryan was when we were talking to you last week, of course, and we eere— you last week, of course, and we eereleere— you last week, of course, and we eereleere-weee— you last week, of course, and we saidisaid-used-word| said i said you've used the word freeeew. — said i said you've used the word freeeew. _feefere- said i said you've used the word tragedy. _before two- tragedy. this was before two eewe— tragedy. this was before two. eewe—fewe- days before they'd been found. wee— days before they'd been found. and—absolutelyi and he said there's absolutely no and he said there's absolutely e—wee eewe- and he said there's absolutely no was quite clear , no hope. he was quite clear, wef— no hope. he was quite clear, weere-f—freeeewl no hope. he was quite clear, weere-f—freeeew ,i no hope. he was quite clear,- wasn't_tragedy , of wasn't he? a great tragedy, of course, and still— wasn't he? a great tragedy, of course, and still devastating for particularly— course, and still devastating for particularly to lose your 19 weer— for particularly to lose your 19 weer ere— for particularly to lose your 19 weer ere ee— for particularly to lose your 19 year old son and— for particularly to lose your 19 year old son and your husband. awful.— year old son and your husband. awfwf. wew.— year old son and your husband. awful. right. still— year old son and your husband. awful. right. still to— year old son and your husband. awful. right. still to come,- year old son and your husband. awful. right. still to come, one of britain's most celebrated

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eeeerefere— i. so thousands of spectators gathering this spectators are gathering this week— spectators are gathering this week .— spectators are gathering this week . rf-e— spectators are gathering this week . it's henley royal regatta, week. it's henley royal regatta, the week. it's henley royal regatta, free rewere— week. it's henley royal regatta, the rowers are— week. it's henley royal regatta, the rowers are battling it out on the rowers are battling it out er-ffeewee.— the rowers are battling it out on-thames. of- the rowers are battling it out on thames. of course, on the thames. of course, the eeeefefere— on the thames. of course, the spectators _ little l spectators are doing a little bit spectators are doing a little. eff—www-e bit more action in the pimm's tent.— bit more action in the pimm's tent-joining— bit more action in the pimm's tent-joining us— bit more action in the pimm's tent. joining us now is tent. so joining us now is retired— tent. so joining us now is retired-and- tent. so joining us now is retired and olympic gold retired rower and olympic gold medalist— retired rower and olympic gold medallist-steve— retired rower and olympic gold medallist steve redgrave . medallist sir steve redgrave. good— medallist sir steve redgrave. good morning,— medallist sir steve redgrave. good morning, steve. great to you.— good morning, steve. great to you. right.— good morning, steve. great to see you. right. we want to talk to you— see you. right. we want to talk to you about— see you. right. we want to talk to you about the— see you. right. we want to talk to you about the state of britain-s— to you about the state of britain's river- to you about the state of britain's river. to you about the state of britain's river . as you've, as britain's river. as you've, as we— britain's river. as you've, as we-flve— britain's river. as you've, as we-five olympic- britain's river. as you've, as we five olympic gold we said, five olympic gold medals,— we said, five olympic gold medals, 1984— we said, five olympic gold medals, 1984 2000. we said, five olympic gold medals, 1984-2000. spent medals, 1984 to 2000. you spent time— medals, 1984 to 2000. you spent time on— medals, 1984 to 2000. you spent more time on on— medals, 1984 to 2000. you spent more time on on the river thames,— more time on on the river thames, steve,— more time on on the river thames, steve, than most people would— thames, steve, than most people would ever— thames, steve, than most people would ee— thames, steve, than most people would ever do in— thames, steve, than most people would ever do in a— thames, steve, than most people would ever do in a lifetime. weee— would ever do in a lifetime. what kind— would ever do in a lifetime. what kind of— would ever do in a lifetime. what kind of changes have you in me— what kind of changes have you seen in the quality of the water in au— seen in the quality of the water in an ef— seen in the quality of the water in all of that— seen in the quality of the water in all of that time? how bad is it new— in all of that time? how bad is it e — in all of that time? how bad is it e .f_ in all of that time? how bad is it now ? if you— in all of that time? how bad is it now ? if you go— in all of that time? how bad is it now ? �*" giv f in all of that time? how bad is it now ? �*" gi» f in all of that time? how bad is it now ? �*" 91:1“ it now? if you go back to the 70s, when i first started the sport , i think the rivers were sport, i think the rivers were in a much worse state than they are. they are now. but that of they still need to be improved . they still need to be improved. we still need to move forward is that i i've been born and brought up in marlow in buckinghamshire on the river

thames, started rowing in 1976 and when my father was a kid in that area, they used to be salmon coming up the river. we have salmon ladders at all the weirs so they can get back to their spawning grounds along the thames. but it's taken a very slow process. and of course, the there is still a lot of pollution that that does need to be cleared up. we're moving in the right direction, but it's still needs to be pushed forward to be able to be much better . to be able to be much better. so you're part of a new campaign group,— so you're part of a new campaign group, «mauv— so you're part of a new campaign group, actually, aren't you? rever— group, actually, aren't you? river action— group, actually, aren't you? river action uk— group, actually, aren't you? river action uk is one of the pvebveme— river action uk is one of the pvebveme ee— river action uk is one of the problems as well— river action uk is one of the problems as well that some of the veter— problems as well that some of the water treatment plants need meeme— the water treatment plants need modern housing.— the water treatment plants need modern housing. we need investment— modern housing. we need investment in— modern housing. we need investment in our water systems so thee— investment in our water systems so that me— investment in our water systems so that the rivers— investment in our water systems so that the rivers can remain d...— so that the rivers can remain eteen ,— so that the rivers can remain clean , even on— so that the rivers can remain clean , even on heavy rain days. clean, even on heavy rain days. yeah. — clean, even on heavy rain days. yeah. of— clean, even on heavy rain days. yeah. of us— clean, even on heavy rain days. yeah. of us at— clean, even on heavy rain days. yeah. of us at henley- clean, even on heavy rain days. yeah. of us at henley royal- yeah. of us at henley royal regatta, we're supporting river action uk and that the of yes

there is investment needed there is of processes that need to be put in place that we need to push forward on on these days to be able to create that. but actually you do see a hell of a lot of good wildlife of opportunities . for swans, geese opportunities. for swans, geese fish birds around the area that but and we do see quite a lot of swimmers maybe during regatta time a little bit too many that we would like when we're trying to run a regatta but that the water quality does need to improve and so us at henley royal regatta are putting our weight behind and of making sure that we can move forward to improve the quality water throughout the uk , but throughout the uk, but especially the thames for us, right? yeah. steve a lot of people watching listening were thinking, yeah. rivers okay .

thinking, yeah. rivers okay. the, thinking, yeah. rivers okay. the, the — thinking, yeah. rivers okay. the, the quality— thinking, yeah. rivers okay. the, the quality may- "

concentrate really hard because ispend concentrate really hard because i spend more time swimming than i spend more time swimming than i do canoeing. but there's areas that i i do canoeing. but there's areas thati do i do canoeing. but there's areas that i do not want to fall out of the boat because of the sewage. but me personally, i've never had any ill effects. tell us about henley royal regatta. steve i shall be there tomorrow . tt-e— steve i shall be there tomorrow . to o— steve i shall be there tomorrow . to o mee— steve i shall be there tomorrow . it's a huge event— steve i shall be there tomorrow . it's a huge event still on the spofii“9v_ . it's a huge event still on the epottmg, tut— . it's a huge event still on the sporting, but also— . it's a huge event still on the sporting, but also the social eotemtot— sporting, but also the social eotemtm ,— sporting, but also the social calendar , isn't— sporting, but also the social calendar , isn't it? how many calendar, isn't it? how many vette— calendar, isn't it? how many years toe— calendar, isn't it? how many years has tt— calendar, isn't it? how many years has it been— calendar, isn't it? how many years has it been going for now it years has it been going for now tt must— years has it been going for now tt muet te— years has it been going for now it must be one— years has it been going for now it must be one of— years has it been going for now it must be one of the one of the otteet— it must be one of the one of the oldest events— it must be one of the one of the oldest events that— it must be one of the one of the oldest events that we have in ttts— oldest events that we have in the country— oldest events that we have in the country ,— oldest events that we have in this country ,148_ oldest events that we have in this country , 148 years older this country, 148 years older mom— this country, 148 years older than me— this country, 148 years older mm the ttt— this country, 148 years older than the fa cup— this country, 148 years older than the fa cup , older than than the fa cup, older than vvtmttetom— than the fa cup, older than wimbledon ,— than the fa cup, older than wimbledon , um, on an annual wimbledon, um, on an annual totte— wimbledon, um, on an annual teem ,— wimbledon, um, on an annual teem , mott— wimbledon, um, on an annual basis , apart from _ wimbledon, um, on an annual basis , apart from two world wars basis, apart from two world wars mt— basis, apart from two world wars mt ome— basis, apart from two world wars mt vett— basis, apart from two world wars mt vem ot— basis, apart from two world wars and one year of covid amazing, omozmo. — and one year of covid amazing, amazing. what's— and one year of covid amazing, amazing. what's the- and one year of covid amazing, amazing. g amazing. what's the a great appeal amazing. what's the a great appeal, do you think, steve? why is it got such an enduring popularity . that the riverways popularity. that the riverways are talking about? riverways are so are talking about? riverways are to tmpovtomt— are talking about? riverways are to tmoovtomt m— are talking about? riverways are so important in the— are talking about? riverways are so important in the uk- g , riverways are so important in the uk that mete— so important in the uk that there ove— so important in the uk that there are used— so important in the uk that there are used to be the transport— there are used to be the transport system of the country

of transport system of the country ot tmvettme— transport system of the country of travelling goods around and of travelling goods around and ot me— of travelling goods around and ot the tea.— of travelling goods around and of the area. so— of travelling goods around and of the area. so all— of travelling goods around and of the area. so all our big otttee— of the area. so all our big otttee ove— of the area. so all our big cities are on— of the area. so all our big cities are on on- of the area. so all our big cities are on on rivers and that big— cities are on on rivers and that big universities— cities are on on rivers and that big universities tend to be in big universities tend to be in big otttee— big universities tend to be in big cities and— big universities tend to be in big cities and on— big universities tend to be in big cities and on rivers. so mete— big cities and on rivers. so there te— big cities and on rivers. so there to o— big cities and on rivers. so there is a very— big cities and on rivers. so there is a very big tradition of rooms;— there is a very big tradition of room ot— there is a very big tradition of room at, ot— there is a very big tradition of rowing at, at university level wherever nowadays that there is a wherever nowadays that there is o votevvov— wherever nowadays that there is o votevvov m— wherever nowadays that there is a waterway in the— wherever nowadays that there is a waterway in the uk that's vovme— a waterway in the uk that's tovmg vett— a waterway in the uk that's rowing well, a— a waterway in the uk that's rowing well, a lake, a river, a emot— rowing well, a lake, a river, a comet mete— rowing well, a lake, a river, a canal. there is— rowing well, a lake, a river, a canal. there is a— rowing well, a lake, a river, a canal. there is a rowing eommmttv.— canal. there is a rowing community. if- canal. there is a rowing community. if you go back 184 vette— community. if you go back 184 years when— community. if you go back 184 years, when the— community. if you go back 184 years, when the regatta started, temtev— years, when the regatta started, temtev om— years, when the regatta started, henley on thames, the town tteett— henley on thames, the town tteett, tte — henley on thames, the town itself, the business folk of temtev— itself, the business folk of henley wanted _ itself, the business folk of henley wanted to increase the poputomtv— henley wanted to increase the poputomtv ot— henley wanted to increase the popularity of the— henley wanted to increase the popularity of the area and trying— popularity of the area and ttvmg to— popularity of the area and ttvmg to bring— popularity of the area and trying to bring revenue into the town— trying to bring revenue into the town .— trying to bring revenue into the town . so— trying to bring revenue into the town . so they— trying to bring revenue into the town . so they started the town. so they started the regatta. — town. so they started the regatta. then— town. so they started the regatta. then a few years later, the towere— regatta. then a few years later, the rowers took— regatta. then a few years later, the rowers took over control of it the rowers took over control of tt mt — the rowers took over control of tt mt ve — the rowers took over control of tt mt ve vee— the rowers took over control of it and we were very lucky of we tte — it and we were very lucky of we tte teet— it and we were very lucky of we were the last regatta to before the emet— were the last regatta to before the end ot— were the last regatta to before the end of school— were the last regatta to before the end of school break up and umtvemttv— the end of school break up and university break— the end of school break up and university break up. and so , so university break up. and so, so when— university break up. and so, so when mete— university break up. and so, so when there was— university break up. and so, so

when there was very difficult tmmeoovt— when there was very difficult tmmepovt ot— when there was very difficult transport of moving boats around and transport of moving boats around mt te— transport of moving boats around mt te mot— transport of moving boats around and is that take— transport of moving boats around and is that take the colleges at extort— and is that take the colleges at extort mt— and is that take the colleges at oxford and cambridge is that all the ott— oxford and cambridge is that all the old traditional— oxford and cambridge is that all the old traditional races along the old traditional races along the tve— the old traditional races along the river for— the old traditional races along the river for one— the old traditional races along the river for one weekend would move— the river for one weekend would have met— the river for one weekend would have their regatta— the river for one weekend would have their regatta the colleges voutt— have their regatta the colleges voutt ome— have their regatta the colleges would come down and row race on the sotmtov— would come down and row race on me sotmtov potty— would come down and row race on the saturday party on the sotmtov— the saturday party on the saturday evening and then the omtv— saturday evening and then the omtv wov— saturday evening and then the omtv way to— saturday evening and then the only way to then— saturday evening and then the only way to then move their totte— only way to then move their boots to— only way to then move their boats to the _ only way to then move their boats to the next- only way to then move their boats to the next regatta was on the sunday— boats to the next regatta was on the sunday morning of rowing mett— the sunday morning of rowing ttett totte— the sunday morning of rowing their boats to— the sunday morning of rowing their boats to the next regatta mt— their boats to the next regatta mt ttev— their boats to the next regatta and they would— their boats to the next regatta and they would move down and up the tve— and they would move down and up the eoem— and they would move down and up the river each week,— and they would move down and up the river each week, go back and study— the river each week, go back and etutv during— the river each week, go back and study during the— the river each week, go back and study during the week and then toot— study during the week and then come back and— study during the week and then come back and do— study during the week and then come back and do the same thing team.— come back and do the same thing teem. amt— come back and do the same thing ogom. amt mem— come back and do the same thing again. and then that would tmtem— again. and then that would finish here— again. and then that would finish here at— again. and then that would finish here at henley. so my town— finish here at henley. so my town ot— finish here at henley. so my town of marlow— finish here at henley. so my town of marlow is the last regatta,— town of marlow is the last .egama, two— town of marlow is the last regatta, two weeks before henley tovot— regatta, two weeks before henley tovot tegotto— regatta, two weeks before henley tovot ttegotto ,— regatta, two weeks before henley royal regatta , and so they sort royal regatta, and so they sort of royal regatta, and so they sort ot eet— royal regatta, and so they sort ot get mem— royal regatta, and so they sort of get them redding was the otter— of get them redding was the other otte— of get them redding was the other side. so— of get them redding was the other side. so that combination an other side. so that combination om mt— other side. so that combination on mt eo— other side. so that combination om mt eo ot— other side. so that combination an and so of being— other side. so that combination an and so of being the chair and the otomeevg— an and so of being the chair and me otomteetg ,— an and so of being the chair and the organiser , we— an and so of being the chair and the organiser , we were the organiser, we were poetttomet— the organiser, we were positioned really well . we positioned really well. we veottv— positioned really well. we teottv vett— positioned really well. we really well from that process . really well from that process. eut— really well from that process. out me— really well from that process. but the colour—

really well from that process. but the colour of— really well from that process. but the colour of the infrastructure the celebrate of the sport,— infrastructure the celebrate of the spot, we— infrastructure the celebrate of the sport, we have the stewards enclosure which _ the sport, we have the stewards enclosure which is— the sport, we have the stewards enclosure which is really a reunion centre— enclosure which is really a reunion centre in some ways of peopte— reunion centre in some ways of peopte mot— reunion centre in some ways of people that have— reunion centre in some ways of people that have rowed at the regatta— people that have rowed at the regatta schools— people that have rowed at the regatta schools ,— people that have rowed at the regatta schools , colleges, regatta schools, colleges, eute— regatta schools, colleges, clubs, international have their oppottmttv— clubs, international have their oppottmttv ot— clubs, international have their oppottmttv ot .— clubs, international have their opportunity of . so if you're opportunity of. so if you're going— opportunity of. so if you're gomg to— opportunity of. so if you're going to celebrate the sport , going to celebrate the sport, ttts— going to celebrate the sport, the tente— going to celebrate the sport, this tends to _ going to celebrate the sport, this tends to be— going to celebrate the sport, this tends to be the week to eetetmte— this tends to be the week to celebrate it.— this tends to be the week to celebrate it. yes— this tends to be the week to celebrate it. yes there's a lot of celebrate it. yes there's a lot ot rowing-— celebrate it. yes there's a lot of rowing. there's— celebrate it. yes there's a lot of rowing. there's six day of memo— of rowing. there's six day of memo ,— of rowing. there's six day of racing , ove— of rowing. there's six day of racing , over 400- of rowing. there's six day of racing , over 400 races and at a racing, over 400 races and at a lot racing, over 400 races and at a tot ot— racing, over 400 races and at a tot ot f...— racing, over 400 races and at a tot ot mm, o— racing, over 400 races and at a lot of fun, a lot— racing, over 400 races and at a lot of fun, a lot of— racing, over 400 races and at a lot of fun, a lot of excitement , a — lot of fun, a lot of excitement , o tot— lot of fun, a lot of excitement , o tot ot— lot of fun, a lot of excitement , a lot of socialising . it's on , a lot of socialising. it's on me— , a lot of socialising. it's on the om— , a lot of socialising. it's on the on me— , a lot of socialising. it's on the on the on— , a lot of socialising. it's on the on the on the- , a lot of socialising. it's on the on the on the on the social eotemtm— the on the on the on the social eotemtm tot— the on the on the on the social calendar for the— the on the on the on the social calendar for the uk. it's one of those— calendar for the uk. it's one of those tmmee— calendar for the uk. it's one of those things that— calendar for the uk. it's one of those things that gets a lot of putttettv— those things that gets a lot of outttettv ,— those things that gets a lot of outttettv , ott— those things that gets a lot of publicity , all for— those things that gets a lot of publicity , all for the right publicity, all for the right reasons . and— publicity, all for the right reasons . and there's a lot of reasons. and there's a lot of peopte— reasons. and there's a lot of peopte mot— reasons. and there's a lot of people that love— reasons. and there's a lot of people that love the river, love vovme— people that love the river, love tovme mot— people that love the river, love rowing that are— people that love the river, love rowing that are here to celebrate _ rowing that are here to celebrate this week. we're just tootmg— celebrate this week. we're just we're looking at— celebrate this week. we're just we're looking at we're looking at o— we're looking at we're looking at o motore— we're looking at we're looking at a picture of— we're looking at we're looking at a picture of you on on screen. steve,- at a picture of you on on screen. , vzi; at a picture of you on on screen. viv“ at a picture of you on on screen. iv“ iv“ at a picture of you on on- screen. steve, you on on the right of whichever the front of the boat i think i'd know this. i know it's the front of the i know if it's the front of the

back matt pinson probably back with matt pinson probably several now. you several years ago now. do you row week you part row this week do you take part in the veterans events ? in one of the veterans events? uh, veterans henley's next weekend— uh, veterans henley's next weekend and— uh, veterans henley's next weekend and i— uh, veterans henley's next weekend and i won't be in that mt— weekend and i won't be in that mt t-m— weekend and i won't be in that one and i'm not— weekend and i won't be in that one and i'm not fit— weekend and i won't be in that one and i'm not fit enough , fast one and i'm not fit enough, fast enough— one and i'm not fit enough, fast enough mt— one and i'm not fit enough, fast enough and i've— one and i'm not fit enough, fast enough and i've got my senses mot— enough and i've got my senses tmot .— enough and i've got my senses tmot . tom-t— enough and i've got my senses that i don't want— enough and i've got my senses that i don't want to put myself through— that i don't want to put myself through mot— that i don't want to put myself through that pain— that i don't want to put myself through that pain anymore . i'm through that pain anymore. i'm in through that pain anymore. i'm to my— through that pain anymore. i'm to my eee— through that pain anymore. i'm to my eee mov— through that pain anymore. i'm in my 60s now, so— through that pain anymore. i'm in my 60s now, so i think i've tome— in my 60s now, so i think i've tome mv— in my 60s now, so i think i've tome mv tott— in my 60s now, so i think i've done my fair share, especially vovme— done my fair share, especially room up— done my fair share, especially room to me— done my fair share, especially rowing up and down this this stretch— rowing up and down this this stretch .— rowing up and down this this stretch . okay.— rowing up and down this this stretch . okay. but i did venture stretch. okay. but i did venture out.— stretch. okay. but i did venture out. tve— stretch. okay. but i did venture out. we to— stretch. okay. but i did venture out. we do have— stretch. okay. but i did venture out. we do have celebration vett— out. we do have celebration rows. yeah over— out. we do have celebration rows. yeah over the weekend of poet— rows. yeah over the weekend of poet vvtmete— rows. yeah over the weekend of poet .— rows. yeah over the weekend of past winners i think we've got a mot— past winners i think we've got a met me— past winners i think we've got a crew that are in— past winners i think we've got a crew that are in their 90s that to— crew that are in their 90s that so vette— crew that are in their 90s that won 50 years ago. ' “g won 50 years ago. amazing that are celebrating. but i did one of are celebrating. but i did one ot mem— are celebrating. but i did one ot tmem teet— are celebrating. but i did one of them last year— are celebrating. but i did one of them last year of- 313 f “g but i did one of them last year of 40 years when— of them last year of 40 years when .— of them last year of 40 years when . vom— of them last year of 40 years when . mv— of them last year of 40 years when i won my first henley medal vttt— when i won my first henley medal mm o— when i won my first henley medal mm o gov— when i won my first henley medal mm o guy mot— when i won my first henley medal mm o guy that .— when i won my first henley medal with a guy that i rowed with . with a guy that i rowed with. um,— with a guy that i rowed with. um, tt— with a guy that i rowed with. um, tt voo— with a guy that i rowed with. um, it was pretty— with a guy that i rowed with. um, it was pretty gruesome to votem— um, it was pretty gruesome to votem tut— um, it was pretty gruesome to watch, but the _ um, it was pretty gruesome to watch, but the crowd seemed to ute— watch, but the crowd seemed to ttte tt— watch, but the crowd seemed to ttte tt .— watch, but the crowd seemed to ttte tt . me— watch, but the crowd seemed to like it . the lunch _ watch, but the crowd seemed to like it . the lunch break that we like it. the lunch break that we tott— like it. the lunch break that we eovt ot— like it. the lunch break that we eovt ot move— like it. the lunch break that we sort of have got— like it. the lunch break that we sort of have got out there in a boot — sort of have got out there in a boat. fantastic— sort of have got out there in a boat. fantastic _ sort of have got out there in a boat. fantastic thank you, steve. thank— boat. fantastic thank you, steve. thank you- boat. fantastic thank you, steve. thank you so- boat. fantastic “a“

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aren't they? they really are, patricia said. i think this immigration thing is rotten to the back. the core. send the boats back. don't let them land on gb territory. yeah. says if territory. yeah. peter says if mete— territory. yeah. peter says if these illegal— (it: yeah. peter says if these illegal migrants vivg yeah. peter says if these illegal migrants risk persecution— these illegal migrants risk persecution and these illegal migrants risk- persecution_and it's persecution in rwanda and it's meoet— persecution in rwanda and it's meme-mem— persecution in rwanda and it's unsafe them, then think unsafe for them, then i think me— unsafe for them, then i think the-peopte— the british people should tmeotem— the british people shouldi threaten _thus threaten persecution, thus make it threaten persecution, thus make tt—tete. - threaten persecution, thus make tt—tete. |tmmt| it unsafe to come here. i think we it unsafe to come here. i think ve—tetet- it unsafe to come here. i thinki we_peter although it unsafe to come here. i think. we_peter although i we can do that. peter although i umtetetomt— we can do that. peter although i understand frustration , but understand your frustration, but i understand your frustration, but . tom-t— understand your frustration, but . tom-t tmmt— understand your frustration, but i don't think we— understand your frustration, but i don't think we can really do that. — i don't think we can really do that. -eove- i don't think we can really do that. _says i'm- i don't think we can really do| that. _says i'm really that. richard says i'm really angry about today's outcome ruling of the rwanda policy. our country cannot cope with any more seekers . adrian more asylum seekers. adrian makes great point. if rwanda makes a great point. if rwanda is an unsafe country, why do arsenal have it on their shirts? visit he tweeted that. that's a very good pomt— visit he tweeted that. that's a very good point and- e e : that's a very good point and david says, my very good point and david says, my team— very good point and david says, my heart etmte— very good point and david says, my heart sinks at— very good point and david says, my heart sinks at the very thought.— my heart sinks at the very ttouett. .— my heart sinks at the very thought. i hate— my heart sinks at the very thought. i hate to use the word teetemumtt— thought. i hate to use the word referendum, but— thought. i hate to use the word referendum, but if— thought. i hate to use the word referendum, but if the public etvem— referendum, but if the public were given the— referendum, but if the public were given the chance to have me— were given the chance to have the dome— were given the chance to have the choice via— were given the chance to have the choice via the— were given the chance to have the choice via the immigration pottev— the choice via the immigration pottev, mem— the choice via the immigration policy, then courts would, policy, then the courts would, i tetteve—tol believe, have no choice but to keep— believe, have no choice but to veep-ot— believe, have no choice but to veep-ot tt— believe, have no choice but to veep-ot tt. — believe, have no choice but to keep-of it . yes,- believe, have no choice but to keep-of it. yes, on- believe, have no choice but to keep of it . “4115 viv“ vit“v: viv“ keep out of it. yes, on and on and what a farce. this and on. rob, what a farce. this judgement morning. judgement this morning. open door immigration is now nailed on. government on. it seems the government is powerless borders powerless to control our borders . they've just joined the reform party. they say just going to go back to the lords test match

because three stop oil press two teslas were arrested yesterday after throwing orange powder or pitch the day one of the pitch onto the day one of the second test. and the fantastic emetetete— second test. and the fantastic cricketers literally— f: and the fantastic cricketers literally just mooted— cricketers literally just chucked - off - cricketers literally just chucked off the pitch, chucked him off the pitch, which is chucked him off the pitch, which te-vomt. — chucked him off the pitch, which is-want. absolutely. chucked him off the pitch, which is-want. absolutely .i chucked him off the pitch, which. is-want. absolutely . day is what we want. absolutely. day two at 10:00 this two is resumed at 10:00 this morning stokes promises morning and ben stokes promises his fight back his england side will fight back from their two wicket defeat to australia . gb news national australia. gb news national reporter ellie costello is at lord's cricket ground for us now. ellie mood there now. ellie what's the mood there like morning? i imagine now. ellie what's the mood there like security ning? i imagine now. ellie what's the mood there like security has? i imagine now. ellie what's the mood there like security has rampediine now. ellie what's the mood there like security has ramped up that security has ramped up a bit for out for any bit for looking out for any maniacs with orange powder. yes , absolutely. good morning- ”t?" g yes , absolutely. good morning to you— , absolutely. good morning to you tott— , absolutely. good morning to you both .— , absolutely. good morning to you both . me— , absolutely. good morning to you both . the marylebone cricket you both. the marylebone cricket ctut— you both. the marylebone cricket ctut me— you both. the marylebone cricket ctut ovme— you both. the marylebone cricket club are owns lord's cricket mome— club are owns lord's cricket ground .— club are owns lord's cricket ground . tmev— club are owns lord's cricket ground . they have really ramped ground. they have really ramped up eeemttv— ground. they have really ramped up eeemttv .— ground. they have really ramped up security . they're going to up security. they're going to move— up security. they're going to move to— up security. they're going to have to continue— up security. they're going to have to continue to ramp up eeemttv— have to continue to ramp up eeemttv tot— have to continue to ramp up security for the _ have to continue to ramp up security for the rest of this teet. — security for the rest of this teet. amt — security for the rest of this test. and just— security for the rest of this test. and just behind me now, mete— test. and just behind me now, there ove— test. and just behind me now, there are some— test. and just behind me now, there are some turnstiles . i had there are some turnstiles. i had a there are some turnstiles. i had octet— there are some turnstiles. i had oetot to— there are some turnstiles. i had a chat to security— there are some turnstiles. i had a chat to security at those tumetttee— a chat to security at those turnstiles this— a chat to security at those turnstiles this morning, and i met— turnstiles this morning, and i oetet vtot— turnstiles this morning, and i asked what has— turnstiles this morning, and i asked what has changed in the poet— asked what has changed in the poet ze— asked what has changed in the poet ze tome— asked what has changed in the past 24 hours. they say that eeemttv— past 24 hours. they say that eeemttv toe— past 24 hours. they say that security has always been tight mete,— security has always been tight mete, tut— security has always been tight here, but there _ security has always been tight here, but there are additional

eteete— here, but there are additional checks taking— here, but there are additional checks taking place today. they eott— checks taking place today. they eott mot— checks taking place today. they said that every— checks taking place today. they said that every bodies bags are going— said that every bodies bags are going to— said that every bodies bags are going to te— said that every bodies bags are going to be checked . every going to be checked. every emote— going to be checked. every single person— going to be checked. every single person is going to be potted— single person is going to be pottet tovm— single person is going to be patted down from head to toe, vmet— patted down from head to toe, vmet .— patted down from head to toe, vmet . oom— patted down from head to toe, which i can actually say i've vttmeeeet— which i can actually say i've witnessed standing here for the poet— witnessed standing here for the poet tev— witnessed standing here for the poet tev tome— witnessed standing here for the past few hours and everybody is going— past few hours and everybody is eotme-eeomet— past few hours and everybody is going scanned over with going to be scanned over with a metat— going to be scanned over with a metal detector— going to be scanned over with a metal detector because, of course, there _ metal detector because, of course, there have been oueettome— course, there have been questions about how those just etop. — questions about how those just etop. ott— questions about how those just stop. oil protesters made their way— stop. oil protesters made their way through— stop. oil protesters made their way through security yesterday when— way through security yesterday when everybody's bag is supposed to te— when everybody's bag is supposed to be checked.— when everybody's bag is supposed to be checked. they— when everybody's bag is supposed to be checked. they had that ommee— to be checked. they had that ommee povtet— to be checked. they had that orange powder with them, didn't tmeve— orange powder with them, didn't tteve amt— orange powder with them, didn't tteve amt-eav— orange powder with them, didn't they? and saw scenes they? and we saw the scenes veetettov— they? and we saw the scenes yesterday when _ they? and we saw the scenes yesterday when two those yesterday when two of those proteetete— yesterday when two of those protesters made _ yesterday when two of those protesters made their way onto the ttett — protesters made their way onto the ttett .— protesters made their way onto the field . they— protesters made their way onto the field . they got that powder the field. they got that powder evetvvmete— the field. they got that powder everywhere and _ the field. they got that powder everywhere and then one of them was everywhere and then one of them comet— everywhere and then one of them was carried off— everywhere and then one of them was carried off in— everywhere and then one of them was carried off in just spectacular- was carried off in just spectacular fashion. so i spoke to epeetotote— spectacular fashion. so i spoke to spectators and— spectacular fashion. so i spoke to spectators and members here the— to spectators and members here the momme— to spectators and members here this morning about their teoettom— this morning about their reaction to— this morning about their reaction to that scene yesterday . mov— reaction to that scene yesterday . ttev .— reaction to that scene yesterday . they i understand- reaction to that scene yesterday . they i understand the- reaction to that scene yesterday . they i understand the cause, but if you're going to do it, go after the you know, the sports watch companies that have owned by saudi arabia like sheikhs, like man city, newcastle , like man city, newcastle, united, i understand the cause ,

united, i understand the cause, but it's not helping. splendid . but it's not helping. splendid. it looked like it pre—planned it, to be honest. i mean, i know he's a rugby player, so i think he's a rugby player, so i think he did it with ease and thankfully didn't thankfully he didn't get injured. very injured. but yeah, it was very impressive thought impressive stuff. i thought he did impressive stuff. i thought he ttt vmot— impressive stuff. i thought he ttt vtot ee— impressive stuff. i thought he did what gb news— i thought he did what gb news does representing— did what gb news does. representing-its representing britain at its teet— representing britain at its best. absolutely disgrace. best. it's absolutely disgrace. amt— best. it's absolutely disgrace. me te— best. it's absolutely disgrace. and he handled— best. it's absolutely disgrace. and he handled it brilliantly. i and he handled it brilliantly. tttouett— and he handled it brilliantly. tttouett tt— and he handled it brilliantly. i thought it was— and he handled it brilliantly. i thought it was brilliant- and he handled it brilliantly. i thought it was brilliant, to be honest with you. i think it just did everything but people inside us wanted to do. inside of us all wanted to do. just off the pitch just get them off the pitch and let get the game. let us get on with the game. although what although i understand what they're protesting about, etcetera, to get that, i don't want to. think they can do want to. i think they can do other ways of this, other ways of doing this, etcetera. only going to etcetera. they're only going to alienate themselves. yeah there has been a lot of humour in the queue this morning as well . queue this morning as well. many asking if they could join met— many asking if they could join met stoo— many asking if they could join met stop ott— many asking if they could join just stop oil in— many asking if they could join just stop oil in their ticket tottot— just stop oil in their ticket tottot .— just stop oil in their ticket tottot . tmev— just stop oil in their ticket ballot . they said they always ballot. they said they always. seem _ successful seem to be very, very successful at seem to be very, very successful ot—eeote- seem to be very, very successful ot—eeote ot- at getting the best seats at tmeee— at getting the best seats at tteee eovte— at getting the best seats at these sorts of— at getting the best seats at these sorts of events. and veetettov— these sorts of events. and veetettov tmev— these sorts of events. and yesterday they were sat in the etomtetomt— yesterday they were sat in the grandstand tickets, £150. so vette— grandstand tickets, £150. so veom mee— grandstand tickets, £150. so yeah, nice work— grandstand tickets, £150. so yeah, nice work if you can get it yeah, nice work if you can get tt .— yeah, nice work if you can get tt . eut— yeah, nice work if you can get it . but security— yeah, nice work if you can get it . but security has been ramped it. but security has been ramped up today— it. but security has been ramped up totov mt— it. but security has been ramped up totov mt vou— it. but security has been ramped up today and you can hear the epitome— up today and you can hear the opptouee m— up today and you can hear the applause in there— up today and you can hear the applause in there . really.

applause in there. really. metamo— applause in there. really. england, two— applause in there. really. england, two wickets already tovm— england, two wickets already down-morning- england, two wickets already down-morning .- england, two wickets already down morning . they're doing down this morning. they're doing vett. — down this morning. they're doing vett. -vou— down this morning. they're doing vett. -vou .— down this morning. they're doing well. _you , ellie.- down this morning. they're doing well. _you , ellie. ellie. well. thank you, ellie. ellie costello right back to our costello there right back to our papers this morning. political editor of the daily express, sam lister, commentator. i editor of the daily express, sam lister, commentator . i can't lister, tv commentator. i can't tell all you know. tell you all you need to know. etse— tell you all you need to know. £150 tickets— tell you all you need to know. £150 tickets they're £150 tickets because they're mtttte — . - £150 tickets because they're middle—i can't| £150 tickets because they'rei middle—i can't i middle class twits. i can't i com-t— middle class twits. i can't i can't possibly agree . no, no, can't possibly agree. no, no, no. they just stop. oil ptoteeteve— no. they just stop. oil protesters .— they just stop. oil protesters . the cricket . \vv:i» no. they just stop. oil- protesters . the cricket . no, no, protesters. the cricket. no, no, me— protesters. the cricket. no, no, me met— protesters. the cricket. no, no, the loot stop— protesters. the cricket. no, no, the just stop oil protesters oh, no, definitely not the cricket fans. that's why you look so emoetet. — fans. that's why you look so emoetet. .— fans. that's why you look so shocked. i was— that's why you look so shocked. �*" iv: that's why you look so shocked. vi: she shocked. iwas horrified. she tuc— shocked. iwas horrified. she me me— shocked. iwas horrified. she tuc vou— shocked. iwas horrified. she tuc are you saying- shocked. vi: she tuc are you saying such shocked. �*" vi: she tuc are you saying such shocking tmmee— tuc are you saying such shocking tmmee — tuc are you saying such shocking things now? she— tuc are you saying such shocking things now? /viv tuc are you saying such shocking things now? /v:iv. vitg”vivi?' things now? she just. you agree? we just upper middle class. they're all they are the trust of to work there. well, i'm there. — of to work there. well, i'm there. why— of to work there. well, i'm there. why aren't- well, i'm there. why aren't they. of to work there. well, i'm - there. why aren't they. but also i there. why aren't they. but also . mem— there. why aren't they. but also . .— there. why aren't they. but also tmem . tom-t— there. why aren't they. but also i mean i don't know anything about cricket, andrew. probably like you, i think jonny like you, but i did think jonny bairstow lifting up that brilliant was fantastic . that's brilliant was fantastic. that's exactly what we want to see, isn't it? cheers. we'd like the police to because that's police to do that because that's what police do france. what the police do in france. yes. they everywhere. yes. what they do it everywhere. i yes. what they do it everywhere. t—votet— yes. what they do it everywhere. t—vttet comm- yes. what they do it everywhere. i_water cannon in- i mean, the water cannon in france cannon france where they water cannon as what do with a

as well. now, what you do with a tem— as well. now, what you do with a tem hug- — as well. now, what you do with a bear hug- vett— as well. now, what you do with a bear hug. well, well,— as well. now, what you do with a bear hug. well, well, i've- bear hug. well, well, i've picked do the concert. i picked to do the nhs concert. i love story. it's enraging. love this story. it's enraging. do love this story. it's enraging. too-mov— love this story. it's enraging. do-know what— love this story. it's enraging. do-know what it- love this story. it's enraging. do-know what it was?- love this story. it's enraging. do know what it was? enraged do you know what it was? enraged enough. strike. enough. they're going on strike. and today the and we found out today on the front mail that the front of the daily mail that the days that they're on strike, they private work. they can do private work. so there's pain. there's going to be no pain. they're already earning £126,000 a-average. they're- a year on average. they're earning £128,000. earning on average £128,000. and you can nearly double that because because the majority of them do private health care work 1 or 2 a week. what i 1 or 2 days a week. what i didn't until yesterday didn't know until yesterday was that also their pension top that they also their pension top up from the government is 20. can you. yeah yeah that's right. all can you. yeah yeah that's right. at the— can you. yeah yeah that's right. at the teet— can you. yeah yeah that's right. all the rest of _ can you. yeah yeah that's right. all the rest of the nhs workers get something like 1,212. they get something like 1,212. they get 20% plus on top of all of that, the law was changed last yean that, the law was changed last year, if you remember, for the pension scheme where they were allowed to earn more than tried to retiring at 50. so to stop them retiring at 50. so all these provisions are being made and yet they're going to go on strike. to me, who is it on strike. this to me, who is it today? they called it nato covid greed. this, this, this really is if you're if you go into the medical profession, if you go into where into a profession where life saving job, how on earth

saving is your job, how on earth will you be paying? shed loads of money. yeah. can you walk out on people ? and it's meant to be on people? and it's meant to be a on people? and it's meant to be ovotom— on people? and it's meant to be a vocation. carol— on people? and it's meant to be a vocation. carol well,- viv“ , and it's meant to be a vocation. carol well, no, i tom-t— a vocation. carol well, no, i don't necessarily- a vocation. carol well, no, i don't necessarily agree that i ttmt— don't necessarily agree that i tmmt vou— don't necessarily agree that i think you should— don't necessarily agree that i think you should paid for think you should be paid for what— think you should be paid for what-handsome. think you should be paid for. what- handsome. they think you should be paid for- what- handsome. they are. what you do. handsome. they are. when saving people's when you're saving people's lives you had this massive lives and you had this massive responsibility, but they are paid handsomely. i spoke paid handsomely. yeah. i spoke to yesterday and to a consult yesterday and i said to him, you know , this said to him, you know, this country for you guys to be country paid for you guys to be trained. no, we paid trained. he said, no, we paid for said, for it ourselves. i said, no, you you you paid you didn't. you paid, you paid tuition university, tuition fees at university, which every student does, but you paid by taxpayers, paid you were paid by taxpayers, paid for to trained . how dare for you to be trained. how dare you do this? you're attacking society's most vulnerable people , and they think it's okay to do that know the other that. you know what the other teme— that. you know what the other thing .occurred _ that. you know what the other thing .occurred to - you know what the other thing occurred to me, sam, thing that occurred to me, sam, vtem— thing that occurred to me, sam, vmem .— thing that occurred to me, sam, vmem . ev— thing that occurred to me, sam, when i saw that— thing that occurred to me, sam, when i saw that the doctors can eomtmue— when i saw that the doctors can continue—work- when i saw that the doctors can continue _work on i continue to do private work on tteee—meomei these strike days, that means these strike days, that means the—ottom- the people who can afford to pay for the people who can afford to pay totlvttt— the people who can afford to pay forlwill-treatment.- for it will get treatment. tvoettv. — for it will get treatment. i exactly. _ right. exactly. yeah, that's right. absolutely but the daily absolutely but also the daily mott—toot- absolutely but also the daily mail—good point mail makes a very good point mot— mail makes a very good pointi mot—me that actually these people are going— that actually these people are eotme—ttev-el going out on strike. they're oetuottv—ol going out on strike. they're- actually_a profit actually going to make a profit teme— actually going to make a profit bent out— actually going to make a profit being out om— actually going to make a profit being out on strike. yeah. you mow,— being out on strike. yeah. you moo—toetme- being out on strike. yeah. you. know,_losinglday's know, they're not losing a day's pav- — know, they're not losing a day's pail-_people. know, they're not losing a day'si pav- _people who pay. obviously. most people who go out and strike you have to weigh— go out and strike you have to weigh-decision- go out and strike you have to weigh decision between weigh up the decision between

totme— weigh up the decision between taking—endo- taking this action and, you mow,— taking this action and, you know,-yourself. taking this action and, you. know,-yourself.the know, harming yourself in the pocket.— pocket. yeah actually, these guys— pocket. yeah actually, these gove—tmev-ve- pocket. yeah actually, thesei gove—tmev-e tome pocket. yeah actually, these- guys_they're going to guys are saying they're going to move— guys are saying they're going to mote—vovtme- guys are saying they're going to. make _working.the make more money working for the pivote— make more money working for the ottvote- — make more money working for the ottvote- ttts— make more money working for the private- this negates- make more money working for the private- this negates the. private sector. this negates the whole principle unionism. whole principle of unionism. you're protect you're supposed to protect people is people. yeah. so this is attacking aren't attacking people who aren't wealthy. but this is such an own gott— wealthy. but this is such an own eoot tv— wealthy. but this is such an own goal by-consultants.- but this is such an own goal by consultants. you goal by the consultants. you eee-eav— goal by the consultants. you eee-eov mot,- goal by the consultants. you see, say that, but you know, see, you say that, but you know, the—me- see, you say that, but you know, tme—tme bm..- see, you say that, but you know, the—the bma hasi the and the bma, the bma has teem—tv— the and the bma, the bma has been—by militants. the and the bma, the bma has been by militants and been taken over by militants and one been taken over by militants and ot— been taken over by militants and ot mem— been taken over by militants and one of them, one— been taken over by militants and one of them, one of— been taken over by militants and one of them, one of the guys vto-e—tme- one of them, one of the guys who's—this raid,- one of them, one of the guys who's name this raid, one of them, one of the guys who's name i've this raid, one of them, one of the guys who's name i've just raid, one of them, one of the guys who's name i've just forgotten whose name i've just forgotten mete,— there, but i should remember teeouee— there, but i should remember. teeouee—omt because i want to name him and he because i want to name him and me me— because i want to name him and me me-veetevtov- because i want to name him and he he yesterday called he he actually yesterday called all brexiteers_ he he actually yesterday called all brexiteers as— he he actually yesterday called all brexiteers as racists. ct?“ all brexiteers as racists. can you— all brexiteers as racists. can you tetteve— all brexiteers as racists. can you believe that— all brexiteers as racists. can you believe that my racist mike henley. mike henley , he's the henley. mike henley, he's the deputy—me- deputy chairman of the consultants— deputy chairman of the consultants committee. wna consultants committee. what's ttevtt— consultants committee. what's ttevtt-vttt— consultants committee. what's brexit-with the - consultants committee. what's brexit with the bma? brexit got to do with the bma? exactly. comes exactly. but it always comes toot— exactly. but it always comes back. brexit. _ exactly. but it always comes back-brexit. it— exactly. but it always comes back brexit. it always has back to brexit. it always has evetvtmme— back to brexit. it always has everything blame everything always to blame for evetvtmme. — everything always to blame for. evetvtmme. —so everything. yeah, absolutely. so it shows kind of it just shows what kind of sneering attitude. it's just awful the sneering attitude. it's just- awful_the consumer awful for the, for the consumer of awful for the, for the consumer ot-eove— awful for the, for the consumer of-care needs,- awful for the, for the consumer of-care needs, isn't- awful for the, for the consumer of care needs, isn't it? of health care needs, isn't it? demet— of health care needs, isn't it? daniel korski_ of health care needs, isn't it? daniel korski yes.— of health care needs, isn't it? daniel korski yes.-should| daniel korski yes. sam should we? he dropped out of the race to be conservative mayoral candidates . these allegations candidates. these allegations against serious. candidates. these allegations against serious . what's against him very serious. what's happened here? what's gone on? i think this is i mean, honestly , conservative. _ i think this is i mean, honestly , conservative. you— i think this is i mean, honestly , conservative. you know,

meotouottete— , conservative. you know, headquarters, they really messed up -— headquarters, they really messed up . tteee— headquarters, they really messed up . these allegations have been up. these allegations have been mmout— up. these allegations have been mount-o— up. these allegations have been moumtlo tome— up. these allegations have been around a long time. and in around for a long time. and in me— around for a long time. and in the vettme— around for a long time. and in the vetting process , they've the vetting process, they've otvtouetv— the vetting process, they've obviously failed. well, the vetting process, they've othink;ly failed. well, the vetting process, they've othink they failed. well, the vetting process, they've othink they wilfully,ed. well, the vetting process, they've othink they wilfully, wilfully, i think they wilfully, wilfully ttmt — i think they wilfully, wilfully ttmt to — i think they wilfully, wilfully blind to these— i think they wilfully, wilfully blind to these allegations. now tee-e— blind to these allegations. now te-e otteeet— blind to these allegations. now he's alleged to— blind to these allegations. now he's alleged to have groped he's otteeet— he's alleged to have groped he's alleged devere_ he's alleged to have groped he's alleged devere group chief eeutve— alleged devere group chief executive ten _ alleged devere group chief executive ten years ago in umte— executive ten years ago in umte to— executive ten years ago in umte to m— executive ten years ago in number 10 in 10 downing street, where— number 10 in 10 downing street, vmeve—umtet- number 10 in 10 downing street, where under cameron. where he worked under cameron. exactlv- nov— where he worked under cameron. exactly. now-are— where he worked under cameron. kkivij�*fweg now are massive exactly. now there are massive mete— exactly. now there are massive issues here because— ,xavtlgv now there are massive issues here because there are teeuee—tmov- issues here because there are teeueemovv—t ,- issues here because there are. issues—know , women issues about, you know, women teme— issues about, you know, women being believed.— issues about, you know, women being believed. there are issues atout— being believed. there are issues about me— being believed. there are issues about men should— being believed. there are issues about men should a right to about men should have a right to about men should have a right to atom— about men should have a right to otott tmt— about men should have a right to otott tmt ot— about men should have a right to a fair kind of trial— about men should have a right to a fair kind of trial or a proper investigation— a fair kind of trial or a proper investigation .— a fair kind of trial or a proper investigation . so— a fair kind of trial or a proper investigation . so there's two investigation. so there's two ttttetemt— investigation. so there's two different-that- investigation. so there's two different-that .- investigation. so there's two different that . at the different sides to that. at the team— different sides to that. at the teem-tt— different sides to that. at the heart-it, though,- different sides to that. at the heart it, though, the heart of it, though, the conservative - heart of it, though, the conservative party machine etoutt— conservative party machine should have— conservative party machine should have seen this coming a mie— should have seen this coming a mtte ott— should have seen this coming a mile off because— should have seen this coming a mile off because everybody knew atout— mile off because everybody knew about t— mile off because everybody knew about t. teem— mile off because everybody knew about it. yeah,-did- mile off because everybody knew about it. yeah,-did .- mile off because everybody knew about it. yeah, did. in about it. yeah, they did. in mett— about it. yeah, they did. in mete—mt- about it. yeah, they did. in their—and sol about it. yeah, they did. ini their—and so if their in their gang and so if you— their in their gang and so if you .— their in their gang and so if you t me— their in their gang and so if you i mean they've basically ottovet— you i mean they've basically allowed this— you i mean they've basically allowed this to— you i mean they've basically allowed this to happen and it come— allowed this to happen and it eoutt move— allowed this to happen and it could have all— allowed this to happen and it could have all been seen off very— could have all been seen off very outettv— could have all been seen off very quickly think very quickly and i just think ttev-ve— very quickly and i just think they've-naive- very quickly and i just think they've naive and very quickly and i just think- they've-naive and can they've been very naive and can i they've been very naive and can t-mote— they've been very naive and can t-mote o— they've been very naive and can t-mote o oomt— they've been very naive and can i make a point about this i just make a point about this as i just make a point about this. oe—veetettov as well, martha carney yesterday had as well, martha carney yesterday tot—om— as well, martha carney yesterday tot—om tte- as well, martha carney yesterday had—on the today| had daisy goodwin on the today programme— had daisy goodwin on the today programme-asked- had daisy goodwin on the today programme asked her programme and she asked her oute— programme and she asked her outte o— programme and she asked her quite a perfectly— programme and she asked her quite a perfectly legitimate oueettom. — quite a perfectly legitimate question. she— quite a perfectly legitimate question. v: question. she said to her, are you certain that your recollections are correct? yes,

because he's denied it, of course. because he has denied it. and she said, you. it. and she said, are you. she was daisy and she said, was furious. daisy and she said, you're suggesting i'm you're basically suggesting i'm making up. no, she wasn't . making this up. no, she wasn't. she a perfectly she was asking a perfectly legitimate question. and daisy goodwin the women's equality goodwin or the women's equality groups is why groups are saying this is why women don't come forward and report whatever. it report abuse, whatever. no, it isn't . you can't woman isn't. you can't if a woman alleges something, she can't just automate hinckley be believed because she's a woman . believed because she's a woman. i mean, that's just that is just not that. not not fair. we know that. i'm not saying goodwin is lying. saying daisy goodwin is lying. i'm exactly said i'm sure exactly what she said is do know is correct. however, we do know that women lie. we know that women court and accuse men women go to court and accuse men of and and found of abuse and rape and are found out vengeance. women cannot out of vengeance. women cannot have the automatic right to be believed. this is why i don't get kyrees. why would she make this get kyrees. why would she make the putte— get kyrees. why would she make this public now— get kyrees. why would she make this public now if— gii ”vivitiv why would she make this public now if she's if ete-e— this public now if she's if ete-e tt— this public now if she's if she's if this— this public now if she's if she's if this happened ten years oeoe— she's if this happened ten years oeoe — she's if this happened ten years ago? vett— she's if this happened ten years ago? vett. ete— she's if this happened ten years ago? well, she wrote- she's if this happened ten years ago? i ago? well, she wrote about it before in 2017, but she didn't name him. and she said she's naming— name him. and she said she's momme mm— name him. and she said she's naming him now— “ and she said she's naming him now because he's running— naming him now because he's running-high— naming him now because he's running high office. �*vvv�*viee running for high office. well, mot-e— running for high office. well, mote—tt- running for high office. well, ttot-e—tt-vtei that's ridiculous. if she was worried being of other worried about the being of other women last ten years, women for the last ten years, she have made the she should have made the allegation at time. and she

allegation at the time. and she suggested-suggested,i suggested and she suggested, vett— well, that other women would come so come forward and they haven't so tot. — come forward and they haven't so tor. _the— come forward and they haven't so far. _this morning- come forward and they haven't so far. _this morning i-al far. well, this morning i read a piece that three piece somewhere that said three people she's people have told her, but she's not those she's not named those people. she's not named those people. she's not that's thing. but not said that's the thing. but i mean i think bev is exactly mean but i think bev is exactly right if it was right here. you know, if it was about protecting women come forward come forward at the time, don't come forward at the time, don't come forward stop a guy getting forward to stop a guy getting a job you like job just because you don't like him. that's what it him. by the way, that's what it toote— him. by the way, that's what it toote-tte — him. by the way, that's what it toote-tte tt- looks like, isn't it? it was going— looks like, isn't it? it was never going to win anyway. and of course, was the arch of course, he was the arch remainer. an of remainer. he was an architect of project was project fear when he was at number and also was huge number 10. and he also was huge in trying to stop boris johnson giving kirby the rights of uber. so he would have alienated every black cab driver in london, would have said, why are you not going to vote for that daniel kawczynski are you? but the point is, it kawczynski are you? but the point is,-it that- kawczynski are you? but the point is,-it that you- f 7 but the point is, it that you know point is, isn't it that you know ,-woman makes- , when a woman makes otteeottome— , when a woman makes allegations, not allegations, i'm not specifically- allegations, i'm not specifically talking daisy specifically talking about daisy eootvm—vou- specifically talking about daisy goodwin you know, goodwin here, but, you know, a man's—reputation- goodwin here, but, you know, a man's—reputation ,. man's career, his reputation, me— man's career, his reputation, tote-te— man's career, his reputation, me-te ot— man's career, his reputation, his-is at stake- man's career, his reputation, his is at stake here. so if his life is at stake here. so if vou-e— his life is at stake here. so if vou-e making— his life is at stake here. so if you're making anyone who makes an umoumtet— you're making anyone who makes an unfounded allegation, you're ruining— an unfounded allegation, you're tummelttte.— an unfounded allegation, you're tummelttte.-t- an unfounded allegation, you're ruining life. ”vii“vii“ ruining a life. yes. i remember as well. he's a man. as well. and he's a married man. yes. got high yes. he's got a very high powered wife was private

powered wife who was private secretary. god help her that job. so that duke and duchess of sussex months. oh, sussex for eight months. oh, wow. a former ambassador to wow. yeah a former ambassador to albania, a very serious woman, and so this is hugely embarrassing for her, too. what doesit embarrassing for her, too. what does it also mean for- embarrassing for her, too. what does it also mean for the- does it also mean for the movomt— does it also mean for the mayoral candidates ? ' : v:viti“ mayoral candidates? arade dam vett— mayoral candidates? arade dam vett. .— mayoral candidates? arade dam well, i mean, i think the it's like they just they've given up before they'd started. before they'd even started. even in picking , before they'd even started. even in picking, you know, before they'd even started. even in picking , you know, even in picking, you know, even in putting selection, putting him on the selection, they weeded out paul scully, who is not a household name . i'm is not a household name. i'm sure even admit that. is not a household name. i'm sure he even admit that. is not a household name. i'm surehe was even admit that. is not a household name. i'm sure he was probablyadmit that. is not a household name. i'm sure he was probably the it that. is not a household name. i'm surehe was probably the most. but he was probably the most minister. but he is minister. exactly but he is probably the most high profile of the candidates. they of all the candidates. they weeded him out and were weeded him out and they were left people who nobody's left with people who nobody's ever were ever heard of who were never going fight going to be able to fight against sadiq khan . going to be able to fight against sadiq khan. i going to be able to fight against sadiq khan . i mean, if against sadiq khan. i mean, if you're to if you're going against sadiq khan. i mean, if yo actually to if you're going against sadiq khan. i mean, if yo actually seriously u're going against sadiq khan. i mean, if yo actually seriously u're gthis to actually seriously fight this contest, who's contest, put up somebody who's got a serious chance of winning and and it's and they did. and it's so vtmotte— and they did. and it's so- winnable-conservatives winnable for the conservatives teeouee— winnable for the conservatives. because—expanding because sadiq khan is expanding his because sadiq khan is expanding mte-emteetom— because sadiq khan is expanding his-emission zone,- his ultra low emission zone, vmet— his ultra low emission zone, with te— his ultra low emission zone, which is hated— his ultra low emission zone, which is hated every london tovouem— which is hated every london tovouem tt— which is hated every london borough. it will— which is hated every london borough. it will cover that tmtte— borough. it will cover that knife crime— borough. it will cover that knife crime record, knife crime vomoomt. — knife crime record, knife crime rampant. nothing— knife crime record, knife crime rampant. \viv“ “g knife crime record, knife crime rampant. \v:i»“ “g /viv. rampant. nothing works. you can't drive down the road without being in a traffic jam.

and he's the police. an easy tt— and he's the police. an easy tt te— and he's the police. an easy tt te tt— and he's the police. an easy win. it is if they- and he's the police. an easy win. it is if they had- and he's the police. an easy win. i �*" “el: :f win. it is if they had a decent car, i tell you, i think could run boris johnson? run for it. who? boris johnson? yes. you're back in yes. oh, well, you're back in me— yes. oh, well, you're back in the-utm— yes. oh, well, you're back in tte-tht m- yes. oh, well, you're back ini the-what an idea. he yes. oh, well, you're back in- the-what an idea. he did the ring. what an idea. he did it the ring. what an idea. he did tt tetote. — the ring. what an idea. he did tt tetote. .— the ring. what an idea. he did it before. i don't— the ring. what an idea. he did it before. i don't think he wants the hard work. no, well, he doesn't too hard. he doesn't have to be too hard. he enough on the speech he can earn enough on the speech eeutt— he can earn enough on the speech otteutt—tme- circuit. he's still got the tee— circuit. he's still got the makers speeches he's got. vi makers speeches he's got. he's got me— makers speeches he's got. he's got tte-uettv— makers speeches he's got. he's got his-daily mail- makers speeches he's got. he's got his daily mail column got his lovely daily mail column on well on a saturday. he was very well emueetet— on a saturday. he was very well remunerated-would- on a saturday. he was very well remunerated-would be. on a saturday. he was very well remunerated-would be a| remunerated. khan would be a very man if boris was very worried man if boris was the candidate. yes, he would . the candidate. yes, he would. uet— the candidate. yes, he would. tet-to— the candidate. yes, he would. ue-t-to be,— the candidate. yes, he would. he'd-to be, wouldn't- vii“: : yes, he would. he'd to be, wouldn't he? he'd have to be, wouldn't he? teem — he'd have to be, wouldn't he? teem _e..a,| yeah. he really would. carol, i tove— yeah. he really would. carol, i tove tute— yeah. he really would. carol, i love this story. _ yeah. he really would. carol, i love this story. women are born mumtete— love this story. women are born tumteee eme— love this story. women are born hunters and not— love this story. women are born hunters and not just home makers say hunters and not just home makers eev eetemee— hunters and not just home makers say science story. _ hunters and not just home makers say science story. i— hunters and not just home makers say science story. i was blooming cheering in the cabinet when just says that we've when this just says that we've always women just always believed women just stayed put . stayed at home and put put. i've thought that about i've never thought that about you,— i've never thought that about voumo— - i've never thought that about voumo— vuetul i've never thought that about. you,_no. well, but you, malan. no, no. well, but ttts— you, malan. no, no. well, but this funny there's so this is funny that there's so many there saying that many women out there saying that women a study women this is this was a study done women between and done of women between 1888 and 2020, say they were just as likely be big game hunters. likely to be big game hunters. they go out on their own they would go out on their own emet— they would go out on their own emt-tmmee— they would go out on their own and-things and- they would go out on their own and things and they would and shoot things and they would veeette— and shoot things and they would veeette vttt— and shoot things and they would wrestle with the— and shoot things and they would wrestle with the animals and tev-te— wrestle with the animals and tmev-te tuet— wrestle with the animals and they're just saying that they ueet — they're just saying that they used .weapons,- used the weapons, they had etteteetee— used the weapons, they had strategies would go out

strategies men would go out eomet— strategies men would go out alone. women— strategies men would go out alone. women would plan things . alone. women would plan things. i alone. women would plan things. .the. — alone. women would plan things. t-tme-toot— alone. women would plan things. i-this. -took every- i love this. they took every totv— i love this. they took every totv tovm — i love this. they took every body down much , every bit as body down much, every bit as vtetoue— body down much, every bit as eme— body down much, every bit as vicious and as— body down much, every bit as vicious and as i— body down much, every bit as vicious and as i believe that me— vicious and as i believe that the te— vicious and as i believe that the te e— vicious and as i believe that this is a self—portrait mettemme— this is a self—portrait maligning this could rewrite vmet— maligning this could rewrite vtet ve— maligning this could rewrite what we think— maligning this could rewrite what we think about men and women. sam, i— what we think about men and women. sam, i you- what we think about men and women. sam, i you know, the hunter gatherer versus the forager. exactly and i'm very, very— forager. exactly and i'm very, vetv mo— forager. exactly and i'm very, vetv pro tute— forager. exactly and i'm very, very pro this. and— forager. exactly and i'm very, very pro this. and i- forager. exactly and i'm very, very pro this. and i do- g ,xivilge and i'm very, very pro this. and i do like the teet— very pro this. and i do like the teet met— very pro this. and i do like the teet tmet tt— very pro this. and i do like the fact that it does— very pro this. and i do like the fact that it does talk about eteeteetee— strategies for men out there vttu— strategies for men out there vttm _toeee, — strategies for men out there i with _force,-being with brute force, women being eeveut— with brute force, women being eeveueet— mem- with brute force, women beingi clever,_as men just clever, but as well as men just tvee— clever, but as well as men just drag vvomem— clever, but as well as men just drag women around by their hair in , drag women around by their hair m—, tmev— drag women around by their hair m—, ttev vee- drag women around by their hair in , they were using in those days, they were using tmtvee— in those days, they were using tmtvee ,— in those days, they were using tmtvee , towe— in those days, they were using knives , bows, nets, machetes, knives, bows, nets, machetes, eee— knives, bows, nets, machetes, eee eme— knives, bows, nets, machetes, spears and crossbows. probably all spears and crossbows. probably ett et— spears and crossbows. probably ett et tto— spears and crossbows. probably all at the same time because we were multitasking whilst also breastfeeding, birth, breastfeeding, giving birth, keeping the cave clean as well , keeping the cave clean as well, planning dinner and planning that night's dinner and then to cook, cook then having to cook, cook the stuff they they killed then stuff they they killed and then straight the next morning and straight up the next morning and out spear again. i out with your spear again. i think lib started think it's women's lib started verv— think it's women's lib started very—v— think it's women's lib started very—v tttm-t- think it's women's lib started very_, didn't it? i very early then, didn't it? yes. — very early then, didn't it? yes. .— very early then, didn't it? yes. i think— very early then, didn't it? yes. ithink-of- very early then, didn't it? “cit? i think of us have yes. i think a lot of us have mtetttet— yes. i think a lot of us have inherited-genes- “cit? i think a lot of us have inherited genes actually . inherited those genes actually. vett— inherited those genes actually. well, definitely. _ inherited those genes actually. well, definitely. you— inherited those genes actually. well, definitely. you think- inherited those genes actually. well, definitely. you think so? i would like to think i'm a hunter. — i would like to think i'm a hunter. yeah,— i would like to think i'm a hunter. “43? “ «viii»? “ i would like to think i'm a hunter. “43?“ gilt?" “43?“ i would like to think i'm a hunter. / / hunter. yeah, yeah, yeah, you are. yeah right. we just finish are. yeah right. we just finiin on are. yeah right. we just finish on e very— are. yeah right. we just finish on e vetv euet— are. yeah right. we just finish on a very quick one.- i”vi / ”g“ we just finish on a very quick one. we can't.

tve-ve— on a very quick one. we can't. vve-ve mot— on a very quick one. we can't. vve-ve not got— on a very quick one. we can't. we've not got time— on a very quick one. we can't. we've not got time . i know. i'm we've not got time. i know. i'm eomv. — we've not got time. i know. i'm eomv. euet— we've not got time. i know. i'm sorry. quick prediction.- we've not got time. i know. i'm sorry. quick prediction. the government will appeal rwanda. yeah, my prediction is they will go yeah, my prediction is they will 90 to— yeah, my prediction is they will go to e— yeah, my prediction is they will 90 to emet— yeah, my prediction is they will go to sea and they should and eteotutetv— go to sea and they should and absolutely should. ' dial absolutely should. absolutely. and the country is cheering them on to go. yeah, i think. yeah , i on to go. yeah, i think. yeah, i think yeah, on to go. yeah, i think. yeah, i think-yeah, right. i think they are. yeah, right. sem — think they are. yeah, right. sem -cetote- think they are. yeah, right. sam _carole malone,�* think they are. yeah, right. sam . a .carole malone,�* think they are. yeah, right. - samla pleasure as always. we always a pleasure as always. we have come to the end of our week. have we? uh, we have. we have. great. that's it from britain's newsroom. i don't know what next, what day it is. coming up next, live is a live desk with mark longhurst and pip tomson. have a great weekend . i'm alex deakin great weekend. i'm alex deakin and great weekend. i'm alex deakin met me— great weekend. i'm alex deakin met the te— great weekend. i'm alex deakin and this is your— great weekend. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest- g”viii : i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather uetete— and this is your latest weather uetete ttom — and this is your latest weather update from the— and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb update from the met office for me ueve. — update from the met office for gb news. you've— update from the met office for gb news. you've probably noticed a gb news. you've probably noticed e—tmete- gb news. you've probably noticed e—ttete totev- gb news. you've probably noticed e—ttete totev i a fresher feel out there today. ttemv—tmemtl a fresher feel out there today.- many_bright with many places dry and bright with tete— many places dry and bright with some late june— many places dry and bright with some late june sunshine , just some late june sunshine, just a tev— some late june sunshine, just a tev eoee— some late june sunshine, just a few showers scattered about me— few showers scattered about across the north. _ few showers scattered about across the north. now we started vttu— across the north. now we started vttm ome— across the north. now we started vttm vet— across the north. now we started with some wet weather across the eoutm—eeet— with some wet weather across the south—east-weather- south—east from this weather momt. — south—east from this weather momt. stit— south—east from this weather front. still affecting parts of kent— front. still affecting parts of kent emet— front. still affecting parts of kent and east— front. still affecting parts of kent and east anglia, but it is etevtme— kent and east anglia, but it is etevtme to— kent and east anglia, but it is starting to ebb— kent and east anglia, but it is starting to ebb away and will be gone— starting to ebb away and will be eomelmtt— starting to ebb away and will be gone mid afternoon at the gone by mid afternoon at the teteet— gone by mid afternoon at the teteet. eut— gone by mid afternoon at the latest. but clearing away from the latest. but clearing away from tee-eeee— latest. but clearing away from the-area already- latest. but clearing away from the area already and we the london area already and we do the london area already and we to—etoveee- the london area already and we do_showers further. do have some showers further mome— do have some showers further motto-teevv— do have some showers further north, - heavy ones -

do have some showers further north, heavy ones likely north, some heavy ones likely tute— north, some heavy ones likely this afternoon— north, some heavy ones likely this afternoon eastern this afternoon over eastern soottemt,— this afternoon over eastern- scotland,_north—east scotland, perhaps far north—east of . scotland, perhaps far north—east ot-. tt-e— scotland, perhaps far north—east ot-. tt-e t— scotland, perhaps far north—east ot-. tt-e t or— scotland, perhaps far north—east ot-. tt-e t oe 2- scotland, perhaps far north—east of-. it's 1 or 2 across- of england. it's 1 or 2 across me— of england. it's 1 or 2 across the highlands— of england. it's 1 or 2 across the highlands and the western tetee— the highlands and the western mee-ott— the highlands and the western isles-odd one- the highlands and the western isles odd one scattered isles and the odd one scattered across-england.- isles and the odd one scattered across england. but across northern england. but moet— across northern england. but moet eteeee— across northern england. but most places dry,— across northern england. but most places dry, bright with temperatures— most places dry, bright with temperatures close to average. so temperatures close to average. so-teee— temperatures close to average. so-less humid- temperatures close to average. so less humid feel so a fresher, less humid feel competed— so a fresher, less humid feel compared yesterday. we could compared to yesterday. we could etttt— compared to yesterday. we could etttt eet— compared to yesterday. we could etttt get up— compared to yesterday. we could etttt get up to— compared to yesterday. we could still get up to 23,— compared to yesterday. we could still get up to 23, maybe 24 across south—east as we go across the south—east as we go through— across the south—east as we go through me— across the south—east as we go through this evening, we'll see more showers— through this evening, we'll see more showers coming into the movtt—veet. — more showers coming into the movtt—veet. a— more showers coming into the north—west. a little bit breezy tete— north—west. a little bit breezy teve ee— north—west. a little bit breezy teve ee vett— north—west. a little bit breezy here as well, .the - north—west. a little bit breezy here as well, the heaviest here as well, but the heaviest eoee— here as well, but the heaviesti showers _scotland showers over eastern scotland emoutt — showers over eastern scotland emoutt _omt - showers over eastern scotlandj should _and then should tend to fade. and then moet— should tend to fade. and then moet-vtt— should tend to fade. and then moet-vttt te- should tend to fade. and then most-will be dry- should tend to fade. and then. most-will be dry-most most places will be dry for most of most places will be dry for most ot-evemme— most places will be dry for most ot-evemme eme— most places will be dry for most of evening and then more of the evening and then more em— of the evening and then more emcee-e— of the evening and then more rain _creep its- of the evening and then more rain _creep its way. of the evening and then more rain creep its way in rain starts to creep its way in tute— rain starts to creep its way in the ttme— rain starts to creep its way in this time into— rain starts to creep its way in this time into-of- rain starts to creep its way in this time into of wales this time into parts of wales eme— this time into parts of wales and southwest— this time into parts of wales and southwest england. temperatures dropping down to etout— temperatures dropping down to etout tt— temperatures dropping down to etout tt to— temperatures dropping down to etout tt to te— temperatures dropping down to about 11 to 14 celsius. so a teeeomettv— about 11 to 14 celsius. so a reasonably comfortable night. tve-tt— reasonably comfortable night. vve-tt etevt— reasonably comfortable night. we'll start off— reasonably comfortable night. we'll start off dry and bright across eastern— we'll start off dry and bright across eastern areas tomorrow , across eastern areas tomorrow, tut— across eastern areas tomorrow, tut tt-tt— across eastern areas tomorrow, tut tt-tt te— across eastern areas tomorrow, tut it be e— across eastern areas tomorrow, but it'll be a dull,— across eastern areas tomorrow, but it'll be a dull, damp start for but it'll be a dull, damp start to northern— but it'll be a dull, damp start for northern ireland, wales and eoutm—veet— for northern ireland, wales and south—west england. and the rain will south—west england. and the rain vttt eueet— south—west england. and the rain will spread more— south—west england. and the rain will spread more widely across soottemt— will spread more widely across scotland into _ will spread more widely across scotland into northern england too.— scotland into northern england too. temeee— scotland into northern england too. perhaps not— scotland into northern england too. perhaps not much of it oettme— too. perhaps not much of it eettmo to— too. perhaps not much of it getting to eastern areas , mostly getting to eastern areas, mostly hue,— getting to eastern areas, mostly mete. etevme— getting to eastern areas, mostly mete. etevmo drye— getting to eastern areas, mostly here, staying dry, but it will etout— here, staying dry, but it will etout ove— here, staying dry, but it will cloud over almost everywhere and the-emute— cloud over almost everywhere and the-should perhaps- cloud over almost everywhere and the should perhaps ease off

the rain should perhaps ease off eoeeeee-vvt— the rain should perhaps ease off across-wales as- the rain should perhaps ease off across _wales as we - the rain should perhaps ease off across wales as we go across parts of wales as we go through— across parts of wales as we go through me— across parts of wales as we go through the day.— across parts of wales as we go through the day. it won't as through the day. it won't be as warm in south—east, but warm in the south—east, but eeem— warm in the south—east, but again, temperatures mostly high. teeue— again, temperatures mostly high. teem—mome- again, temperatures mostly high. teens-north, low- again, temperatures mostly high. teens north, low 20s teens across the north, low 20s turmer— teens across the north, low 20s tuvtmee eoutte— teens across the north, low 20s further south, but— teens across the north, low 20s further south, but generally a tetttv— further south, but generally a tetetv tutt— further south, but generally a fairly dull and— further south, but generally a fairly dull and damp end to the voetme— fairly dull and damp end to the working week. — fairly dull and damp end to the working week. there'll be turmer— working week. there'll be further outbreaks of rain and mute— further outbreaks of rain and drizzle across— further outbreaks of rain and drizzle across many areas, eettteutettv— drizzle across many areas, eettteutettv m— drizzle across many areas, particularly in western scotland and north—west— particularly in western scotland and north—west england, staying tetttv— and north—west england, staying tetttv-eut— and north—west england, staying tetetv-eut tuto— and north—west england, staying fairly-but into the- fairly soggy. but into the weekend,— fairly soggy. but into the weekend, although it'll be wet eme— weekend, although it'll be wet emt vmtv— weekend, although it'll be wet and windy-times— weekend, although it'll be wet and windy times across and windy at times across movttem— and windy at times across. northern _elsewhere and windy at times across- northern _elsewhere , northern scotland, elsewhere, moet— northern scotland, elsewhere,| moet—tteezv northern scotland, elsewhere,l moet—tteezv, most places bright and breezy, not too— most places bright and breezy, not too memv— most places bright and breezy, not too many showers and some eumv— not too many showers and some eummv epette—