good evening. in a moment, i will tell you what it's like to become a non—person in modern britain and what my next steps are going to be tonight. we'll also cover the rwanda judgement. it's a hammer blow for the government, but i have to say i'm not surprised. and government, but i have to say i'm ntalk surprised. and government, but i have to say i'm ntalk aboutprised. and government, but i have to say i'm ntalk about thatd. and government, but i have to say i'm ntalk about that pride, we'll talk about that pride, hypocrisy. companies that are very keen to advertise pride events in london and yet conduct business in parts of the world where prejudice against homosexuals goes even as far as the death penalty. but before all of that, let's get the news from polly middlehurst . and from polly middlehurst. and nigel. thank you. good evening. the top— nigel. thank you. good evening. the top story— nigel. thank you. good evening. the top story tonight— \\ 92; thank you. good evening. the top story tonight is that the— the top story tonight is that the heme— the top story tonight is that the home secretary says she remains fully— the home secretary says she remains fully committed to the hwehee— remains fully committed to the hwehee hehey— remains fully committed to the rwanda policy despite the legal eehheeh— rwanda policy despite the legal setback. suella_ rwanda policy despite the legal setback. suella braverman also suggested— setback. suella braverman also suggested the— setback. suella braverman also suggested the current system was

hggee— suggested the current system was rigged egeheh— suggested the current system was rigged against the— suggested the current system was rigged against the british heehhe— rigged against the british people .— rigged against the british heephe . ahe— rigged against the british people . and earlier the prime people. and earlier the prime minister— people. and earlier the prime minister said— people. and earlier the prime minister said he— people. and earlier the prime minister said he fundamentally eheeereee— minister said he fundamentally disagrees with— minister said he fundamentally disagrees with the court of appeal— disagrees with the court of hhheeh ahe— disagrees with the court of appeal after they deemed it uhhewfuh— appeal after they deemed it unlawful. two— appeal after they deemed it unlawful. two of the three judges— unlawful. two of the three judges hund— unlawful. two of the three judges found the east african country— judges found the east african country wee— judges found the east african country was unsafe . the rwandan country was unsafe. the rwandan eeehhehh— country was unsafe. the rwandan geehmehh her— country was unsafe. the rwandan government, for its— country was unsafe. the rwandan government, for its part , government, for its part, eheegeee— government, for its part, disagrees, claiming it's one of the safest— disagrees, claiming it's one of the safest countries in the weed.— the safest countries in the world. well,— the safest countries in the world. well, the home secretary eehe— world. well, the home secretary she the— world. well, the home secretary said the government is going to seek— said the government is going to seek permission— said the government is going to seek permission to appeal in the supreme— seek permission to appeal in the supreme ceuh. — seek permission to appeal in the supreme court. it's— seek permission to appeal in the supreme court. c c. ” supreme court. it's unfair for, mr speaker, on people and our partners in the developing world that we in the west continue to maintain an asylum seeker system so open to abuse that it incentivises mass flows of economic migration into europe, lining the pockets of people smugglers and turning our seas into graveyards is all in the name of a phoney humanitarian ism. now name of a phoney humanitarian ism . now thames water has ism. now thames water has ephehhee— ism. now thames water has eppehhee e— ism. now thames water has appointed a new— now thames water has appointed a new chair amid pressures. the— appointed a new chair amid pressures. the company faces eeheehhe— pressures. the company faces eeheehhe he— pressures. the company faces concerning its finances . sir

concerning its finances. sir heheh— concerning its finances. sir adrian montague previously chair of aheheh— adrian montague previously chair of anglian water,— adrian montague previously chair of anglian water, will take over the rehe — of anglian water, will take over the rehe eh— of anglian water, will take over the role on july— of anglian water, will take over the role on july the 10th and is rehheehe— the role on july the 10th and is replacing sarah— the role on july the 10th and is replacing sarah bentley . thames replacing sarah bentley. thames weer— replacing sarah bentley. thames water hw— replacing sarah bentley. thames water ewe— replacing sarah bentley. thames water now says it's working with ehereheheere— water now says it's working with shareholders to _ water now says it's working with shareholders to secure extra funding— shareholders to secure extra funding ee— shareholders to secure extra funding as ministers draw up eehhhgehew— funding as ministers draw up contingency plans to nationalise it contingency plans to nationalise h h— contingency plans to nationalise h h the— contingency plans to nationalise it in the event— contingency plans to nationalise it in the event of— contingency plans to nationalise it in the event of its collapse. the— it in the event of its collapse. the whe— it in the event of its collapse. the uk's biggest— it in the event of its collapse. the uk's biggest water supplier is the uk's biggest water supplier he hehhhe— the uk's biggest water supplier he hehhhe he— the uk's biggest water supplier is battling to service its £14 hhheh— is battling to service its £14 billion worth— is battling to service its £14 billion worth of— is battling to service its £14 billion worth of debt following hhereeh— billion worth of debt following interest rate _ billion worth of debt following interest rate rises. now boris johnson's— interest rate rises. now boris johnson's allies— interest rate rises. now boris johnson's allies have been ehheheee— johnson's allies have been criticised by— johnson's allies have been criticised by the privileges committee— criticised by the privileges committee for— criticised by the privileges committee for what it describes heme— committee for what it describes hahus ee— committee for what it describes batus as undermining house of commone— batus as undermining house of commons procedures. they include hhh — commons procedures. they include hhh heheh— commons procedures. they include hhh heheh sh— commons procedures. they include priti patel, sirjacob_ commons procedures. they include priti patel, sirjacob rees—mogg and whine— priti patel, sirjacob rees—mogg and nadine dorries . he and nadine dorries. he hhwheeee— and nadine dorries. he privileges committee report two weeke— privileges committee report two weehe age— privileges committee report two weeks ago found— privileges committee report two weeks ago found the former prime whheher— weeks ago found the former prime whheher hee— weeks ago found the former prime minister had repeatedly misled herhemehh— minister had repeatedly misled parliament over— minister had repeatedly misled parliament over covid 19 hreeehee. — parliament over covid 19 breaches. at— parliament over covid 19 breaches. at number 10 during heeheewh— breaches. at number 10 during lockdown. the— breaches. at number 10 during lockdown. the inquiry now says we— lockdown. the inquiry now says we ehewhe— lockdown. the inquiry now says mps should consider whether their— mps should consider whether their actions— mps should consider whether their actions could be in contempt— their actions could be in contempt of— their actions could be in contempt of parliament and what further— contempt of parliament and what fwhher eeheh— contempt of parliament and what further action may— contempt of parliament and what further action may need to be when— further action may need to be when .— further action may need to be when . spying— further action may need to be when . shwhg eh— further action may need to be taken . spying on left wing taken. spying on left wing groupe— taken. spying on left wing grewhe by— taken. spying on left wing

grewhe by e— taken. spying on left wing groups by a secret metropolitan hehee— groups by a secret metropolitan hehee eewee— groups by a secret metropolitan police squad wasn't justified in the wee— police squad wasn't justified in the wet ahe— police squad wasn't justified in the past and the— police squad wasn't justified in the past and the unit should have— the past and the unit should have been— the past and the unit should have been disbanded . that's have been disbanded. that's wher— have been disbanded. that's we a— have been disbanded. that's after a public— have been disbanded. that's after a public inquiry into undercover— after a public inquiry into undercover policing looked at the activities— undercover policing looked at the activities of— undercover policing looked at the activities of the sds or the special— the activities of the sds or the special demonstration squad, as it special demonstration squad, as h e— special demonstration squad, as h whewh— special demonstration squad, as h whewh .— special demonstration squad, as it was known . between 1968 and it was known. between 1968 and em. — it was known. between 1968 and me. a— it was known. between 1968 and 1982. a spokesperson for eehhehghere— 1982. a spokesperson for campaigners says the findings are devastating— campaigners says the findings are devastating for the police, hw— are devastating for the police, but the— are devastating for the police, but the police— are devastating for the police, but the police has apologised for whee— but the police has apologised for what happened over 40 years ago,— for what happened over 40 years ege, eewhe— for what happened over 40 years ege, eewhg whee— for what happened over 40 years ago, saying that undercover pehehe— ago, saying that undercover pehehe hee— ago, saying that undercover policing has undergone complete rerer— policing has undergone complete reerrrh ehe— policing has undergone complete referrh .— policing has undergone complete reform since . right now, the reform since. right now, the fhree— reform since. right now, the fhree reef— reform since. right now, the three just stop _ reform since. right now, the three just stop oil protesters whe— three just stop oil protesters whe hweeee— three just stop oil protesters who invaded the— three just stop oil protesters who invaded the pitch at lord's crfehef— who invaded the pitch at lord's cricket ground— who invaded the pitch at lord's cricket ground yesterday have been— cricket ground yesterday have been ehereee— cricket ground yesterday have been charged with aggravated freeeeee— been charged with aggravated freeeeee .— been charged with aggravated trespass . acas_ been charged with aggravated trespass . acas judith murray, trespass. acas judith murray, hehfef— trespass. acas judith murray, hehfef hee— trespass. acas judith murray, daniel noar, and— trespass. acas judith murray, daniel noar, and jacob, born eferwefee— daniel noar, and jacob, born disrupted the— daniel noar, and jacob, born disrupted the second ashes test at disrupted the second ashes test ef weefereew— disrupted the second ashes test ef weefereew .— disrupted the second ashes test at yesterday . they'll appear at at yesterday. they'll appear at westminster— at yesterday. they'll appear at westminster magistrates court hexf— westminster magistrates court hexf rhehfh— westminster magistrates court hexf rhehfh .— westminster magistrates court next month . you're up to date on next month. you're up to date on tv next month. you're up to date on w ehhhe— next month. you're up to date on tv online dab+_ next month. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the rehe— tv online dab+ radio and the wee h— tv online dab+ radio and the wee h app-— tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this— tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news, hrffeh-e— tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news—

tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news ._ britain's news. channel i eeee— britain's news. channel i good evening- britain's news. channel l good evening. - britain's news. channel . good evening. two. britain's news. channel good evening. two months ago i received call from received a phone call from my bank. in mind i'd been bank. now bear in mind i'd been with the same banking group since i've had my personal since 1980. i've had my personal account there with that group ever since that date i ran my business through there when i worked city in the 1990s worked in the city in the 1990s into the noughties , and today i into the noughties, and today i have my personal and business accounts there. but two months ago i get a phone call out of the blue from a personal manager , a new personal manager, not one i'd ever spoken to before who simply says on a phone call, we closing your accounts . i we are closing your accounts. i ask why.7 no reason was given. i was told it would all be explained in a letter that would arrive in a couple of days time . the letterjust told me the accounts are closing and please, by the date they gave me, make sure you've moved to another

bank.i sure you've moved to another bank . i did sure you've moved to another bank. i did inquire further within the group. i sent an email to the chairman and i got someone ring me up and say it's purely a commercial decision. i thought, so i've tried for two months to get another bank account and i've spoken to seven different banks and they've all said no. and the reason is it would seem to be a political i don't know precisely what the reason is, but there is a category of person called a pep, a politically exposed person. it was a term that came into our law as a result of our membership of the european union. i'm told that the city minister and the government are thinking about redefining it, but that may take some time . so but that may take some time. so it could be purely political or it could be purely political or it could be of course, prejudice after all, i'm pretty used to prejudice prejudice that comes from the establishment against me . but i also worried i also me. but i also worried i also worried very much that what was

said in the house of commons last year by chris bryant, member of parliament for south wales, labour member, chairman of the privileged privileges committee who used parliamentary privilege to say that in a calendar year i'd received half £1 million from the kremlin . £1 million from the kremlin. this was done under parliamentary privilege. i appealed to the speaker , i appealed to the speaker, i appealed to the speaker, i appealed to the speaker, i appealed to mr bryant. but there have been no retraction. what so ever. have been no retraction. what so ever . there have also been ever. there have also been extraordinary headlines written about me in all of the newspapers . there's some newspapers. there's some suggesting that on the night of the brexit referendum , i the brexit referendum, i engineered a coup along with the hedge funds where we pushed the pound up, shorted it, and we all made a fortune. well, i'm afraid that isn't true either. but whatever reason it's become clear to me that i cannot get a bank account. but what does that mean? well, it means that basically you've become a non—person. it's rather like

living in germany or russia 80 years ago, or perhaps even communist china today. i wonder , are we living in communist china today in this country ? are china today in this country? are we akin to communist china ? love we akin to communist china? love your thoughts on that, please. farage gb news .com . well, all farage gb news .com. well, all of this has been quite stressful and quite difficult because without a bank account you simply can't exist. you simply can't live . but what's even can't live. but what's even worse is that over the course of the last few months, some of these ridiculous rules and closures have been extended to my immediate family. closures have been extended to my immediate family . and whilst my immediate family. and whilst i'm sad and annoyed about what i am, i'm absolutely incandescent that members of my family should be singled out and targeted just because i campaigned for and pushed a brexit campaign for all of those years. this is truly an utterly disgusting thing. but it isn't just happening to me . i isn't just happening to me. i know of people going back nearly ten years who were ukip candidates, ukip meps , others in candidates, ukip meps, others in

prominent positions in the brexit party who also had their bank accounts closed , but none bank accounts closed, but none of them had the really had the voice to speak out. and i feel that i voice to speak out. and i feel thati do voice to speak out. and i feel that i do . there are other that i do. there are other people in too media who've had their media accounts closed down and it seems to be all one way. it seems to be all against people who have tradition , people who have tradition, analyst or conservative views . analyst or conservative views. so there is something totally outrageous going on here. so i've been considering over the course of the day my options. i've spent time talking to lawyers. i've been considering legal action. i've been asking myself whether, frankly, it's even worth staying in this country . i could go to one of country. i could go to one of the fintechs and i could get the ability of at least a payments mechanism. but it's not a bank account . it it doesn't have account. it it doesn't have a debit card . it wouldn't pay you debit card. it wouldn't pay you interest on money and you certainly wouldn't be able to borrow any money or get a mortgage if you wanted one in the future . so i've been the future. so i've been seriously considering my options . and said on today . and i said earlier on today that at 7:00 tonight, i'll tell

you what my next steps were. well you could not be down with a because the phone rang a feather because the phone rang at 6:45 and it was the bank that wants to close me down completely in a few weeks time. they claim there's nothing political at all in what they're doing. it's purely a commercial decision . and it was said to me decision. and it was said to me on the phone a few minutes ago they could get me a personal account with another bank that is part of same but is part of the same group, but that doesn't apply to the business account. so frankly, isn't much use to me . business account. so frankly, isn't much use to me. i'm isn't of much use to me. i'm used to battling against the odds as i'm used to being prejudiced against in the most extreme , ordinary way, and i'm extreme, ordinary way, and i'm generally pretty tough in fighting through these things. but for just once, fighting through these things. but forjust once, i'm really but for just once, i'm really pretty thoughtful, pretty thoughtful about whether it's actually worth living in this country right at the moment. so what i'm going to do is take some time off, take a week or two off, maybe more to consider what next steps are going to what my next steps are going to be. this is going on in our

country . it's happening to country. it's happening to plenty of people . i just happen plenty of people. i just happen to be one of them. but you know what? unless this rot is stopped in time to come , you at home may in time to come, you at home may say things on facebook or twitter that may result in you losing your bank accounts, too, that i think , is how scary this that i think, is how scary this whole thing is . now, joining me, whole thing is. now, joining me, somebody who's been through a similar experience is toby young, founder and general secretary of the free speech union. and, toby, you were cancelled, weren't you ? i was cancelled, weren't you? i was cancelled, weren't you? i was cancelled, too. nigel- cancelled, weren't you? i was cancelled, too. nigel so- ff: ”f�*hf’fijiiii" l 7 iwas cancelled, too. nigel so last weer,— cancelled, too. nigel so last weer, fewer— cancelled, too. nigel so last year, paypal closed my personal eeeewhf rhe— year, paypal closed my personal account, the account of the ferry— account, the account of the ferry eeeerfe— account, the account of the daily sceptic, my news ewhhehhe— daily sceptic, my news publishing site, and the account of publishing site, and the account ef rhe— publishing site, and the account ef fhe free— publishing site, and the account of the free speech _ publishing site, and the account of the free speech union all wffhh— of the free speech union all wffhh rs— of the free speech union all within 15 minutes of each other wffhewf— within 15 minutes of each other wffhewf ehw— within 15 minutes of each other without any notice— within 15 minutes of each other without any notice and without any without any notice and without ehw eeeewefe— without any notice and without any adequate explanation. i hehee— any adequate explanation. i heheeleh— any adequate explanation. i kicked an enormous stink kicked up an enormous stink ehewf— kicked up an enormous stink ehewf ff.— kicked up an enormous stink about it. just— kicked up an enormous stink about it. just like doing about it. just like you're doing .few— about it. just like you're doing ,-low-behold,- about it. just like you're doing ,-low-behold, all- about it. just like you're doing , low behold, all three , and low and behold, all three accounts were— , and low and behold, all three accounts were restored. a couple of accounts were restored. a couple ef weeke— accounts were restored. a couple of weeks later. _ accounts were restored. a couple of weeks later. but— accounts were restored. a couple of weeks later. but i've been eeheefehfhe— of weeks later. but i've been campaigning ever since, lobbying the campaigning ever since, lobbying fhe freeeww— campaigning ever since, lobbying the treasury and— campaigning ever since, lobbying the treasury and government rhhfefere— the treasury and government ministers, trying— the treasury and government ministers, trying to persuade fherh —

ministers, trying to persuade fherh fe— ministers, trying to persuade them to change— ministers, trying to persuade them to change the financial reewfeffehe— them to change the financial regulations to— them to change the financial regulations to make it unlawful for regulations to make it unlawful fer hehhe— regulations to make it unlawful for banks and— regulations to make it unlawful for banks and payment processors like for banks and payment processors hhe fewer— for banks and payment processors hhe fewer fe— for banks and payment processors like paypal to withdraw custom frerh — like paypal to withdraw custom frerh frerh — like paypal to withdraw custom frerh frerh rfe— like paypal to withdraw custom from from its users for purely eehffeef— from from its users for purely political reasons,— from from its users for purely political reasons, which appears to political reasons, which appears fe he— political reasons, which appears fe he wher— political reasons, which appears to be what has— political reasons, which appears to be what has happened in your rfe— to be what has happened in your case. it's absolutely outrageous. - case. it's absolutely outrageous. it's a sinister , outrageous. it's a sinister, eeeefhw— outrageous. it's a sinister, eeeefhw rhe— outrageous. it's a sinister, possibly the most sinister form of possibly the most sinister form ef eeheef— possibly the most sinister form of cancel culture.— possibly the most sinister form of cancel culture. as you say, rfe— of cancel culture. as you say, he he — of cancel culture. as you say, he he hee— of cancel culture. as you say, it's the kind of— of cancel culture. as you say, it's the kind of thing we'd exeeef— it's the kind of thing we'd exeeef fe— it's the kind of thing we'd expect to see _ it's the kind of thing we'd expect to see in communist chee— expect to see in communist chhe, hef— expect to see in communist china, but it— expect to see in communist china, but it isn't the kind of fhhe— china, but it isn't the kind of fhhe we— china, but it isn't the kind of thing we should— china, but it isn't the kind of thing we should welcome in a eweeeeeew— thing we should welcome in a eweeeeeew free— thing we should welcome in a supposedly free country like ours. no. and— supposedly free country like ours. hrzr ' i" lye ours. no. and toby, funnily enough, it wasn't just my bank that closed me down, but coinbase as well at the same time. sent an email to time. sent me an email to say that i closed i have that i was closed down. i have gone to lawyers already and i've gone to lawyers already and i've gone for subject access requests , bank will have , which means the bank will have to they on me to release data they hold on me and all the big agencies world—check and all the big agencies that banks refer to will have to give me data. the problem to problem is they don't have to respond for up to 180 days, which is well over my deadline. toby it used to be a right, but

in this country that people could have a bank account that was the law. all the while , the was the law. all the while, the post office was a national sized business that has now been removed. there are 1.3 million people now without bank accounts. some of them don't want to have bank accounts, but have you spoken i mean, since you caused a real hue and cry over this, have you spoken to many other people our many other people in our industry, politics, industry, in politics, in campaigns who were cancelled to. yep. konstantin kissin and fee— yep. konstantin kissin and frances forster,- yep. konstantin kissin and frances forster, who run a very eeee— frances forster, who run a very good eeeeeerfhe— frances forster, who run a very good podcasting website called rrfeeherhefrw — good podcasting website called trigonometry. they they were hehhee. — trigonometry. they they were banked. yeah— trigonometry. they they were banked. yeah several members of the banked. yeah several members of he free— banked. yeah several members of the free speech— banked. yeah several members of the free speech union had a guy eehfeefee— the free speech union had a guy contacted contact— the free speech union had a guy contacted contact me a few weeks ago,— contacted contact me a few weeks eee, weer— contacted contact me a few weeks eee, wheel whe— contacted contact me a few weeks ago, nigel, who said— contacted contact me a few weeks ago, nigel, who said that he feerhf— ago, nigel, who said that he feerhf fhef— ago, nigel, who said that he learnt that his— ago, nigel, who said that he learnt that his bank account had been— learnt that his bank account had been efeeee— learnt that his bank account had been closed when— learnt that his bank account had been closed when he tried to pay for been closed when he tried to pay fer-ereeerfee— been closed when he tried to pay for-groceries with— been closed when he tried to pay for groceries with his visa for his groceries with his visa eehff— for his groceries with his visa eehff-h— for his groceries with his visa eehff-h e— for his groceries with his visa debit in a supermarket and debit card in a supermarket and the debit card in a supermarket and he cere— debit card in a supermarket and he eere ee— debit card in a supermarket and the card was declined. he called the card was declined. he called fhe-ehe— the card was declined. he called the-and.discovered- the card was declined. he called the and discovered only the bank and he discovered only fheh— the bank and he discovered only fheh fhef— the bank and he discovered only fheh fhef hfe— the bank and he discovered only then that his bank— the bank and he discovered only then that his bank account had been— then that his bank account had been-.— then that his bank account had heeh-. feeew— then that his bank account had been . today, nigel, been closed. today, nigel, serheehe— been closed. today, nigel, someone contacted the free speech— someone contacted the free speech-feeew - someone contacted the free speech today. they were

speech union today. they were hehhhe— speech union today. they were hehhhe wffh— speech union today. they were banking with the— speech union today. they were banking with the yorkshire hwffehe— banking with the yorkshire building society and they reeeeheee— building society and they responded to— building society and they responded to a request for feeeheeh— responded to a request for feedback from _ responded to a request for feedback from the building seefefw— feedback from the building seefew reef— feedback from the building society last week and he fed heck— society last week and he fed heeh ene— society last week and he fed back and said,— society last week and he fed back and said, why are all your hrehehee— back and said, why are all your branches festooned with pride ffeeef— branches festooned with pride ffeeee why— branches festooned with pride flags? why don't— branches festooned with pride flags? why don't you stick to weer— flags? why don't you stick to your knitting?— flags? why don't you stick to your knitting? why are you rhehhe— your knitting? why are you making statements ? what making these statements? what where— making these statements? what where-fe— making these statements? what whef-e-fe ee— making these statements? what what's to do banking what's it got to do with banking and what's it got to do with banking ehe reef— what's it got to do with banking ehe iwerleewhe— what's it got to do with banking and just saying that he was and just for saying that he was he-hferrhee— and just for saying that he was he-informedithe- and just for saying that he was he informed the bank that he was informed by the bank that he— he was informed by the bank that fhew—hfe— he was informed by the bank that they—his account.- he was informed by the bank that thyou_his account.- he was informed by the bank that thyou debunk his account. he was informed by the bank that thyou debunk nigel,r account. he was informed by the bank that thyou debunk nigel, you ount. he was informed by the bank that thyou debunk nigel, you get:. if you debunk nigel, you get debunked.— if you debunk nigel, you get eehwhhee. — if you debunk nigel, you get debunked. yeah.- if you debunk nigel, you get debunked. / debunked. yeah. i mean, i think that's absolutely right. now look, i mean, i did also inform the minister that i was the city minister that i was having problems well . and having problems as well. and obviously not his job obviously it's not his job to deal any individual cases. deal with any individual cases. and i fully understand and respect that is there any realistic that this realistic prospect that this rather collapsing , chaotic rather collapsing, chaotic government is going to do anything about this ? i'm anything about this? i'm reasonably optimistic for once. weer— reasonably optimistic for once. were fh— reasonably optimistic for once. nigel r-rh we— reasonably optimistic for once. nigel i'm we submitted evidence to nigel i'm we submitted evidence fe fhe— nigel i'm we submitted evidence fe fhe freeeww— nigel i'm we submitted evidence to the treasury a— nigel i'm we submitted evidence to the treasury a couple of rhehfhe— to the treasury a couple of rhehfhe eee— to the treasury a couple of months ago which had a consultation— months ago which had a consultation about the financial reewfeffehe— consultation about the financial regulations that— consultation about the financial regulations that apply to eewrhehf— regulations that apply to

payment services providers, and fhef— payment services providers, and that includes— payment services providers, and that includes banks as well as eerhehfeee— that includes banks as well as companies like— that includes banks as well as companies like paypal and we ewhrhfffee— companies like paypal and we submitted reams— companies like paypal and we submitted reams of evidence, reefe— submitted reams of evidence, feeee ef— submitted reams of evidence, loads of people— submitted reams of evidence, loads of people who'd been freewhee— loads of people who'd been debunked, pure— loads of people who'd been debunked, pure for political reasons. many— debunked, pure for political reasons. many of them without any— reasons. many of them without ehw newe— reasons. many of them without any notice, almost— reasons. many of them without any notice, almost all of them wffhewf— any notice, almost all of them wffhewf ehw— any notice, almost all of them without any adequate explanation hef— without any adequate explanation riust fhe— without any adequate explanation her he he— without any adequate explanation her he he weer— without any adequate explanation , just like in your case. and he — , just like in your case. and we heefhe— , just like in your case. and i'm hoping that— , just like in your case. and i'm hoping that in response to all i'm hoping that in response to eff fhfe— i'm hoping that in response to all this evidence— i'm hoping that in response to all this evidence we submitted to all this evidence we submitted fe fhfe— all this evidence we submitted to this consultation that the freeeww— to this consultation that the freeeww fe— to this consultation that the treasury is going to say, you knew— treasury is going to say, you knew whee— treasury is going to say, you know what, this— treasury is going to say, you know what, this is a problem. we heed— know what, this is a problem. we need fe— know what, this is a problem. we need fe ee— know what, this is a problem. we need to do something about this. we need to do something about this. we—fhe— need to do something about this. we _the emergencei need to do something about this. we _the emergence of we need to stop the emergence of a we need to stop the emergence of e chheee— we need to stop the emergence of a chinese-social— we need to stop the emergence of a chinese social credit a chinese style social credit eweferh — a chinese style social credit system - britain - a chinese style social credit system -britain .- a chinese style social credit system britain . so i a chinese style social credit- system-britain . so i am system in great britain. so i am reeeehehw— system in great britain. so i am reasonably optimistic i hope reasonably optimistic and i hope fhef— reasonably optimistic and i hope fhef wee— reasonably optimistic and i hope that you publicising what's heeeehee— that you publicising what's heeeeheelwew- that you publicising what's happened you will nudge the happened to you will nudge the eewerhrhehf— government just a little bit refe— government just a little bit more into doing something. yeah, i more into doing something. yeah, r eweeeef— more into doing something. yeah, i suspect-viewers- more into doing something. yeah, i suspect viewers don't i suspect many viewers don't hhew— i suspect many viewers don't hhew ehewf— i suspect many viewers don't know about chinese social know about the chinese social ereeff— know about the chinese social ereeff-hwf— know about the chinese social credit-but we- know about the chinese social credit-but we will- know about the chinese social credit but we will over credit system, but we will over the credit system, but we will over he hexf— credit system, but we will over the next couple— credit system, but we will over the next couple of— credit system, but we will over the next couple of weeks explain it the next couple of weeks explain ff-heeewee — the next couple of weeks explain it-because you're- the next couple of weeks explain it because you're quite it to them, because you're quite rfehf. —ff- it to them, because you're quite right. _it could. right. this is where it could go. a slightly lighter go. now on a slightly lighter note, think should note, do you think we should form club? the form a luncheon club? the debunked . well, nigel, the funny debunked. well, nigel, the funny fhhe— debunked. well, nigel, the funny fhhe ehewf— debunked. well, nigel, the funny thing about about— : "3 well, nigel, the funny thing about about cancel culture is thing about about cancel culture fe fhef— thing about about cancel culture he fhef fhe— thing about about cancel culture is that the ranks— thing about about cancel culture is that the ranks of— thing about about cancel culture is that the ranks of the cancel reef— is that the ranks of the cancel we keep— is that the ranks of the cancel we keep growing—

is that the ranks of the cancel just keep growing and growing and just keep growing and growing ehe eefwefw— just keep growing and growing and actually it's— just keep growing and growing and actually it's becoming quite and actually it's becoming quite eh effreefwe— and actually it's becoming quite an attractive club. _ and actually it's becoming quite an attractive club. i can frheehe— an attractive club. i can imagine many- an attractive club. i can imagine many people in future refher— imagine many people in future rather regretting— imagine many people in future rather regretting not being eeheeffee— rather regretting not being cancelled because the club of fhe— cancelled because the club of the cancelled _ cancelled because the club of the cancelled is— cancelled because the club of the cancelled is so distinguished and the people in it distinguished and the people in ff—rhere— distinguished and the people in ff—rhere fwh- distinguished and the people in it_more fun to- distinguished and the people ini it_more fun to hang it are so much more fun to hang out it are so much more fun to hang eef-fheh— it are so much more fun to hang eef-fheh-ef- it are so much more fun to hang out-than-of the. out with than the ranks of the uncancelled. _ out with than the ranks of the uncancelled. yeah , we should out with than the ranks of the unca a elled. yeah , we should out with than the ranks of the unca a club. yeah , we should out with than the ranks of the unca a club. �*vw�*rill ih , we should out with than the ranks of the unca a club. �*vw�*rill ih crille should out with than the ranks of the unca a club. �*vw�*rill ih fuld form a club. well, i tell you what, let's call it a date, toby. when i'm back from my break, that is, we will break, whenever that is, we will go and raise go out together and raise a glass. you very glass. thank you very much indeed the great work indeed for all the great work you've this subject. so you've done on this subject. so you've done on this subject. so you see, it is, folks, a potentially very, very serious issue . so not good. in a moment issue. so not good. in a moment , at 10:00 this morning, we got the rwanda judgement. it is not what the government wanted to hear to me. i have to say i wasn't in the least bit surprised. mark white was there. he joins me in moment.

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gb news radio. this debunking eeeefe— gb news radio. this debunking peopler fe— gb news radio. this debunking peopler re ff— gb news radio. this debunking people, is it akin— gb news radio. this debunking people, is it akin to— c15 \ ?r: this debunking people, is it akin to communist chhef— people, is it akin to communist chhef wee— people, is it akin to communist china? was the— people, is it akin to communist china? was the question that i eehee— china? was the question that i eehee wee— china? was the question that i asked you before— china? was the question that i asked you before the break, 1 or 2 ef— asked you before the break, 1 or 2 ef weer— asked you before the break, 1 or 2 of your responses, stuart says the implications— 2 of your responses, stuart says the implications to— 2 of your responses, stuart says the implications to others , no the implications to others, no rheffer— the implications to others, no matter where _ the implications to others, no matter where they are on the eeeefrwrh — matter where they are on the eeeefrwrh .— matter where they are on the eeeefrwrh , ee— matter where they are on the spectrum , are considerable. spectrum, are considerable. whee— spectrum, are considerable. rwhwe eehe— spectrum, are considerable. julius says it's— spectrum, are considerable. julius says it's certainly is a efee— julius says it's certainly is a efee fee— julius says it's certainly is a step closer to— julius says it's certainly is a step closer to communism, so cerhwh— step closer to communism, so cerhwh feefe— step closer to communism, so corbyn feels more— step closer to communism, so corbyn feels more at home. mike eewe— corbyn feels more at home. mike eewe r— corbyn feels more at home. mike eewe r feef— corbyn feels more at home. mike eewe r feef fhe— corbyn feels more at home. mike says i feel the left— corbyn feels more at home. mike says i feel the left wingers are fereeffhe— says i feel the left wingers are targeting pimple— says i feel the left wingers are targeting people who challenged fherh. — targeting people who challenged fherh. rfe— targeting people who challenged them. it's shocking . banks are them. it's shocking. banks are effewee— them. it's shocking. banks are effewee fe— them. it's shocking. banks are allowed to shut— them. it's shocking. banks are allowed to shut a— them. it's shocking. banks are allowed to shut a bank account . allowed to shut a bank account. heeee— allowed to shut a bank account. heeee eh— allowed to shut a bank account. heeee eh weer— allowed to shut a bank account. based on your opinion , after based on your opinion, after heerhe— based on your opinion, after heerhe fhfe— based on your opinion, after hearing this story of yours , it hearing this story of yours, it eewree— hearing this story of yours, it eewhee fhe— hearing this story of yours, it sounds like something the ccp wewfe— sounds like something the ccp wewfe ee— sounds like something the ccp wewfe he he— sounds like something the ccp would do in china— sounds like something the ccp would do in china. i hope sounds like something the ccp would do in china . i hope your would do in china. i hope your rhehew— would do in china. i hope your rhehew fe— would do in china. i hope your money he eefe— would do in china. i hope your money is safe. my— would do in china. i hope your money is safe. my friend. what? i money is safe. my friend. what? r eeh-f— money is safe. my friend. what? r eeh-f fhhh— money is safe. my friend. what? i don't think there's any ereeeeef— i don't think there's any ereeeeef ef— i don't think there's any prospect of the bank stealing my rhehew — prospect of the bank stealing my mone-y wer— prospect of the bank stealing my mone-y reef rhe— prospect of the bank stealing my money. just the question is, where— money. just the question is, where would— money. just the question is, where would i— money. just the question is, where would i put it? i have where would i put it? do i have to where would i put it? do i have fe-ewf— where would i put it? do i have fe-ewf h— where would i put it? do i have to-out in cash-keepj to draw it out in cash and keep it to draw it out in cash and keep ff wheer— to draw it out in cash and keep ff wheer fhe— to draw it out in cash and keep it under the bed?— to draw it out in cash and keep it under the bed? i'm not going to it under the bed? i'm not going fe he— it under the bed? i'm not going fe he eehe— it under the bed? i'm not going to be doing that.— it under the bed? i'm not going to be doing that. and mick says, i to be doing that. and mick says, r—fhe- i can't believe what the establishment to you. establishment are doing to you. we establishment are doing to you. we-heef— establishment are doing to you. we-heef here.— establishment are doing to you. we beat them. well, we must beat them. well, mick, as we must beat them. well, mick, ee-eerhefhhe— we must beat them. well, mick, as-something is- we must beat them. well, mick, as something is going on as i say, something is going on heeewee— as i say, something is going on heeeweelweeh-f— as i say, something is going on because wasn't bank because it wasn't just the bank account. _ account. because it wasn't just the bank. account. _account was account. a coinbase account was efeeee— account. a coinbase account was closed simultaneously closed virtually simultaneously . ahe— closed virtually simultaneously . and members— closed virtually simultaneously . and members of— closed virtually simultaneously . and members of my family have

been— . and members of my family have been fereefee— . and members of my family have been targeted too.— . and members of my family have been targeted too. this is just eeheferew— been targeted too. this is just completely and— been targeted too. this is just completely and utterly wrong. wew— completely and utterly wrong. new new,— completely and utterly wrong. new new ef— completely and utterly wrong. now now, of course, ever since fhef— now now, of course, ever since fhef rherhehf— now now, of course, ever since fhef rherhehf .— now now, of course, ever since that moment , just— now now, of course, ever since that moment , just over a year that moment, just over a year ago,— that moment, just over a year agor wheh— that moment, just over a year ago, when boris— that moment, just over a year ago, when boris johnson went to wee— ago, when boris johnson went to wee-h— ago, when boris johnson went to wee-h keef— ago, when boris johnson went to wee-h hehf fe- ago, when boris johnson went to lydd in kent to announce lydd airport in kent to announce the lydd airport in kent to announce fhe hwehee— lydd airport in kent to announce the rwanda policy— lydd airport in kent to announce the rwanda policy , he the debate the rwanda policy, he the debate has the rwanda policy, he the debate hee eehe— the rwanda policy, he the debate hee eehe heeh— the rwanda policy, he the debate has gone back and— the rwanda policy, he the debate has gone back and forth reeeefeffw— has gone back and forth repeatedly. there are many in the repeatedly. there are many in he were— repeatedly. there are many in he hewee ef— repeatedly. there are many in the house of lords who think the heee— the house of lords who think the heee fe— the house of lords who think the heee re appalling-— the house of lords who think the idea is appalling. it is said fhef— idea is appalling. it is said fhef king— idea is appalling. it is said that king charles, albeit before he ee— that king charles, albeit before he kinsh— that king charles, albeit before he was king, was— that king charles, albeit before he was king, was appalled by the heee— he was king, was appalled by the heee fe— he was king, was appalled by the heee fe ene— he was king, was appalled by the heee fe ehe .._ he was king, was appalled by the idea to and i. of— he was king, was appalled by the idea to and i. of course we have frfehee— idea to and i. of course we have frfehee h— idea to and i. of course we have our friends in the— idea to and i. of course we have our friends in the european cewrf— our friends in the european cewrf ef— our friends in the european court of human— our friends in the european court of human rights in sfreehewre— court of human rights in strasbourg who when that plane was strasbourg who when that plane eefwefw— strasbourg who when that plane was actually on— strasbourg who when that plane was actually on the runway and ehewf— was actually on the runway and ehewf fe— was actually on the runway and ehewf fe 90— was actually on the runway and ehewf fe 90 .— was actually on the runway and about to go , stopped it from about to go, stopped it from going— about to go, stopped it from going .— about to go, stopped it from going . wen,— about to go, stopped it from going . well, today, the going. well, today, the government's been in the high eewrf— government's been in the high eewrf ene— government's been in the high eewrf ehe ff— government's been in the high court and it has— government's been in the high court and it has lost it has reef— court and it has lost it has he .— court and it has lost it has he . rfe— court and it has lost it has lost . it's been— court and it has lost it has lost . it's been ruled that it lost. it's been ruled that it is, lost. it's been ruled that it re fh— lost. it's been ruled that it he he feef— lost. it's been ruled that it is, in fact unlawful to send eeeefe— is, in fact unlawful to send eeeefe fe— is, in fact unlawful to send people to rwanda. i mean, the where— people to rwanda. i mean, the where fhhe— people to rwanda. i mean, the whole thing is— people to rwanda. i mean, the whole thing is awful. this was the reaction— whole thing is awful. this was the reaction of— whole thing is awful. this was the reaction of the home seereferw— the reaction of the home secretary, suella braverman , in secretary, suella braverman, in the secretary, suella braverman, in he were— secretary, suella braverman, in he hewee ef— secretary, suella braverman, in the house of commons this efferheeh—

the house of commons this afternoon as— the house of commons this afternoon as well. ll afternoon as well. bill is absolutely essential as an element in fixing this problem. it will allow us to detain and remove those who arrive here illegally. the problem is out of control. 45,000 people arrived here illegally last year. it's costing the british taxpayer £6 million a day in hotel accommodation. that is why the british people want us to fix this problem. the system is figged this problem. the system is rigged against them, and that's why we're doing everything within our power to fix the system , to change our laws and system, to change our laws and stop the boats. well the government could go on saying these things. i have to say, the day— these things. i have to say, the few hwehee— these things. i have to say, the day rwanda was— 35 i have to say, the day rwanda was announced that the day rwanda was announced that he heweeeeere— day rwanda was announced that the newspapers were full of it, the newspapers were full of it, the government— the newspapers were full of it, the government had finally found a_cross border.- a solution to the cross border. fhe— a solution to the cross border. the cross—channel problem. and yes,— the cross—channel problem. and yea-r— the cross—channel problem. and veer-r ff— the cross—channel problem. and veer-r ff eeeefe- the cross—channel problem. and yes, , if people were yes, of course, if people were eehe— yes, of course, if people were hehe eehf— yes, of course, if people were being eehf fe— yes, of course, if people were being sent to rwanda , that would being sent to rwanda, that would being sent to rwanda, that would helhwee— being sent to rwanda, that would be huge disincentive . motive be a huge disincentive. motive to pay— be a huge disincentive. motive re pew weer— be a huge disincentive. motive re eew wewr eehe— be a huge disincentive. motive to pay your 3500 quid or euros, wherever— to pay your 3500 quid or euros, whefewer ff— to pay your 3500 quid or euros, whatever it may— to pay your 3500 quid or euros, whatever it may be, to a trafficker, _ whatever it may be, to a trafficker, to _ whatever it may be, to a trafficker, to bring you across fhe— trafficker, to bring you across fhe chehhef— trafficker, to bring you across the channel in— trafficker, to bring you across the channel in a— trafficker, to bring you across the channel in a rubber dinghy. so the channel in a rubber dinghy.

se fer— the channel in a rubber dinghy. se fer .— the channel in a rubber dinghy. se fer, ee— the channel in a rubber dinghy. se fer , ee e..— the channel in a rubber dinghy. so far , so far, we've spent over so far, so far, we've spent over freo— so far, so far, we've spent over free when— so far, so far, we've spent over £140 million on— so far, so far, we've spent over £140 million on the rwanda plan and £140 million on the rwanda plan ehe hef— £140 million on the rwanda plan end her ee— £140 million on the rwanda plan and not one single— £140 million on the rwanda plan and not one single person has eehe— and not one single person has gene. we— and not one single person has gone- we ee— and not one single person has gone. we are still— and not one single person has gone. we are still subject to iweeerhehfe— gone. we are still subject to judgements from the european cewrf— judgements from the european cewrf ef— judgements from the european court of human— judgements from the european court of human rights , despite court of human rights, despite the court of human rights, despite fhe feef— court of human rights, despite fhe feef we— court of human rights, despite the fact we voted— court of human rights, despite the fact we voted for brexit, ene— the fact we voted for brexit, ehe r— the fact we voted for brexit, ehe r eeh-f— the fact we voted for brexit, and i don't think we should be eeer-eef— and i don't think we should be eeer-eef fe— and i don't think we should be subject to that— and i don't think we should be subject to that court in any way at subject to that court in any way ef eff. — subject to that court in any way ef eff. ahe— subject to that court in any way at all. and we're— subject to that court in any way at all. and we're still being refe— at all. and we're still being fefe hw— at all. and we're still being fefe hw fhe— at all. and we're still being told by the international eerhrhwhffw— told by the international community and all its friends fhef— community and all its friends fhef fhe— community and all its friends that the 1951— community and all its friends that the 1951 convention on on refugee— that the 1951 convention on on refugee status— that the 1951 convention on on refugee status stands today. but of refugee status stands today. but ef ff— refugee status stands today. but of course it was— refugee status stands today. but of course it was designed in werw— of course it was designed in very different— of course it was designed in very different times. but the hrfffeh— very different times. but the british judiciary, the british were— british judiciary, the british hewee ef— british judiciary, the british house of lords— british judiciary, the british house of lords , who are doing house of lords, who are doing her— house of lords, who are doing fhefr eeer— house of lords, who are doing fhefr heef fe— house of lords, who are doing their best to block legislation rfehf— their best to block legislation rfehf new— their best to block legislation right now, seem— their best to block legislation right now, seem to be huge herrfere— right now, seem to be huge barriers for— right now, seem to be huge barriers for the— right now, seem to be huge barriers for the government. tony— barriers for the government. rehw srhffh— barriers for the government. rehw srhffh fe— barriers for the government. tony smith is the former erreefer— tony smith is the former director-of- tony smith is the former director-of uk. tony smith is the former- director-of uk border director general of uk border reree— director general of uk border reree-hew— director general of uk border force now managing director force and now managing director of force and now managing director ef hefhee— force and now managing director of patinas global,— force and now managing director of patinas global, a global a hereer— of patinas global, a global a border security— of patinas global, a global a border security consultant . um, border security consultant. um, weft— border security consultant. um, weff .— border security consultant. um, weff , ee— border security consultant. um, weff , wee— border security consultant. um, well, are you surprised by this tweeerhehf— well, are you surprised by this tweeerhehf f— well, are you surprised by this tweeerhehf f h— well, are you surprised by this judgement ? a little bit, well, are you surprised by this judgement? a little bit, nigel. i judgement? a little bit, nigel. rwe— judgement? a little bit, nigel. rwe e— judgement? a little bit, nigel. rwe e hfffe— judgement? a little bit, nigel. i was a little more— judgement? a little bit, nigel. i was a little more hopeful. it was a majority, 2 to 1, and i

think the government won most things. just this question of whether or not if someone gets to rwanda , the rwandans are to rwanda, the rwandans are going to send them back to a country they might be country where they might be persecuted. what two of country where they might be perrjudges. what two of country where they might be perrjudges were what two of country where they might be perrjudges were concernedo of country where they might be perrjudges were concerned about. the judges were concerned about. so yeah, office has so yeah, the home office has lost and it looks like we're on our way to the supreme court next. nigel. yes. i mean, they wru— next. nigel. yes. i mean, they wfff he— next. nigel. yes. i mean, they wfff he given— next. nigel. yes. i mean, they will be given leave— next. nigel. yes. i mean, they will be given leave to- "fixl h gril yes. i mean, they will be given leave to appeal. rm— will be given leave to appeal. the ee— will be given leave to appeal. the fhew— will be given leave to appeal. i'm sure they will. so we go to fhe— i'm sure they will. so we go to he swererhe— i'm sure they will. so we go to the supreme court. more the supreme court. six more rhehfhe— the supreme court. six more months-another- the supreme court. six more months another 20,000 months go by another 20,000 eeeee— months go by another 20,000 crossed - english - months go by another 20,000 crossed english channel or crossed the english channel or wherever— crossed the english channel or whefewer ff— crossed the english channel or whatever it may— crossed the english channel or whatever it may be. i mean, here— whatever it may be. i mean, here he— whatever it may be. i mean, let's be honest— whatever it may be. i mean, let's be honest about this. heeeffe— let's be honest about this. eeeeffe eff— let's be honest about this. despite all the— let's be honest about this. despite all the tough talk from the government,— despite all the tough talk from the government, we are nowhere heerer—fhfe- nearer to dealing with this erehferh — nearer to dealing with this erehferh -ee- nearer to dealing with this problem are we? nearer to dealing with this- problem _are we? well, we problem at all, are we? well, we eeeef rf— problem at all, are we? well, we were close. if we had a once a day, nigel and i said to you last time i came on your show that i thought we were ready. actually, i the homework actually, i think the homework is ready. we've got people. we've planes, we've got we've got planes, we've got capabilities operating moeen ali to to but to remove people to rwanda. but the courts won't let us. as you know well. know, we know very well. and you know, we tried didn't we? tried this last year, didn't we? april 22nd, this first started,

nigel, where, you know, we said, let's get some people ready to nigel, where, you know, we said, let to get some people ready to nigel, where, you know, we said, letto rwandaz people ready to nigel, where, you know, we said, let to rwanda that ple ready to nigel, where, you know, we said, let to rwanda that wenteady to nigel, where, you know, we said, let to rwanda that went through go to rwanda that went through the injunctions, the courts. we had injunctions, echr injunctions to stop us and now we're still struggling with. and said to before, nigel, and i said to you before, nigel, you judicial you know this these judicial intervention laws have really interfered uk immigration interfered with uk immigration and policy a long, and removals policy for a long, long time now, and it continues to be the we can't put the to be the case. we can't put the home secretary in of home secretary in contempt of court. have to act within the court. we have to act within the law. but law continues to law. but the law continues to wind its way through these very, very long processes . and in the very long processes. and in the meantime, as you say, nigel, that message is going to get across the channel people across the channel and people are know full well that are going to know full well that if get in boat, get if they can get in a boat, get in a british territorial waters, then they're not likely be then they're not likely to be sent they? and us sent to rwanda, are they? and us are ones we've really are the only ones we've really been able send have been been able to send back have been the and i do fear now the albanians and i do fear now that you were right, your predictions were right. you know, weather it know, it was the weather. it has now up again. we're still now opened up again. we're still slightly on, on last slightly down on on, on last yean slightly down on on, on last year, but i do really worry that it's going to take a long, long time. now that message get time. now that message will get across we could well across and i think we could well

be a in again be seeing a rise in intake again as a result of this. oh we will be. i have no doubt it. be. i have no doubt about it. new— be. i have no doubt about it. new-wee— be. i have no doubt about it. wew-weelrheh- be. i have no doubt about it. now-waslman a- i have no doubt about it. now was man a few be. i have no doubt about it.- now-waslman a few years now there was a man a few years eee— now there was a man a few years eee-h— now there was a man a few years eee-h hwefrehe— now there was a man a few years ago in australia who ago down in australia who eeefeee— ago down in australia who eeefeee fe— ago down in australia who decided to hell— ago down in australia who decided to hell with international law, to hell with as international law, to hell with ee he— international law, to hell with ee he eew— international law, to hell with ee he ff,— international law, to hell with as he saw it, all— international law, to hell with as he saw it, all the do gooders ene— as he saw it, all the do gooders ehe eff— as he saw it, all the do gooders and all those— as he saw it, all the do gooders and all those people who were he— and all those people who were fake humanitarians . and he just fake humanitarians. and he just eehe— fake humanitarians. and he just eefe, wew— fake humanitarians. and he just eefe, wew hhew— fake humanitarians. and he just said, you know what? we're going to said, you know what? we're going fe ewf— said, you know what? we're going fe ewf fhe— said, you know what? we're going re ewf rhe heefe— said, you know what? we're going to put the boats under tow. were— to put the boats under tow. were going— to put the boats under tow. were going fe— to put the boats under tow. we're going to tow them back to heeheefe— we're going to tow them back to indonesia and— we're going to tow them back to indonesia and we— we're going to tow them back to indonesia and we don't actually wher— indonesia and we don't actually whef fhe— indonesia and we don't actually care what the international eewrfe— care what the international courts think— care what the international courts think .— care what the international courts think . we don't give a courts think. we don't give a wher— courts think. we don't give a whef fhe— courts think. we don't give a whef fhe uw — courts think. we don't give a what the un have to say. we eee-f— what the un have to say. we eeh-f ee— what the un have to say. we don't care about— what the un have to say. we don't care about what most hwefreheh— don't care about what most australian media is going to say . ahe— australian media is going to say . ahe fhew— australian media is going to say . whe fhew twef— australian media is going to say . and they just towed the boats beeh— . and they just towed the boats heeh fe — . and they just towed the boats back to indonesia _ . and they just towed the boats back to indonesia and you know wher— back to indonesia and you know wher heeeeheef— back to indonesia and you know what happened? a— back to indonesia and you know what happened? a really funny fhhe— what happened? a really funny fhhe happened-— what happened? a really funny thing happened. the boats efeeeee— thing happened. the boats stopped coming. the drownings efeeeee— stopped coming. the drownings efeeeee ene— stopped coming. the drownings stopped and actually , ever since stopped and actually, ever since fhef— stopped and actually, ever since fhef rherhehf— stopped and actually, ever since that moment ten _ stopped and actually, ever since that moment ten years ago, they heweh-f— that moment ten years ago, they heweh-f hee— that moment ten years ago, they heweh-f hee e— that moment ten years ago, they haven't had a problem . why don't haven't had a problem. why don't the haven't had a problem. why don't fhe hrfffeh— haven't had a problem. why don't the british government just erheh— the british government just erhefw ee— the british government just simply use the— the british government just simply use the royal marines and put simply use the royal marines and ewf eeeefe— simply use the royal marines and ewf eeeefe heeh— simply use the royal marines and put people back on— simply use the royal marines and put people back on the beaches of put people back on the beaches ef rreheef— put people back on the beaches of france? well— put people back on the beaches of france? well because that's

going— of france? well because that's going fe— of france? well because that's going re fhe— of france? well because that's going to the french aren't gonna be going to the french aren't gonna he werw— going to the french aren't gonna be very happy— going to the french aren't gonna be very happy about that, nigel. so be very happy about that, nigel. se hreeehee— be very happy about that, nigel. so breaches that— be very happy about that, nigel. so breaches that breaches- be very happy about that, nigel. so breaches that breaches in agreements with the french and you they have done a lot you know, they have done a lot of work the french there of work with the french there are could be as are things that could be done as i've to you before, the i've said to you before, the terms agreements with the terms of agreements with the french and you know, the australians they were australians actually they were operating on the high seas, not in zone. so it in the contiguous zone. so it was different. but they was slightly different. but they did the indonesians to agree did get the indonesians to agree to take people back. we have not been to secure that been able to secure that agreement the french and we agreement with the french and we cannot operate in their territorial war. so without some form agreement, we form of political agreement, we simply don't have the capacity , simply don't have the capacity, the authorities to tow the legal authorities to tow people into french beaches. we could have joint patrols . we could have joint patrols. we could have joint patrols. we could do all kinds of things under international law. nigel but that demands a political agreement of sophie reaper the border force operate border force has to operate within the laws and within the powers and authorities that it has. it does not have the powers or authorities to operate in or the authorities to operate in french territorial waters or to tow back, back people back to france without french agreement . and i'm afraid that's the

operation situation we find ourselves in right now. yeah, no, from the perspective of border force, i completely and utterly get that. but i want to reeke— utterly get that. but i want to rhehe wew— utterly get that. but i want to rhehe wew e— utterly get that. but i want to make you a promise.- maize gill but i want to make you a promise. tony there wru— make you a promise. tony there will-agreement- make you a promise. tony there will agreement with france will be no agreement with france .-rheffer— will be no agreement with france .-rheffer hew- will be no agreement with france .-matter how many- . it doesn't matter how many hwhereee— . it doesn't matter how many hwhereee ef— . it doesn't matter how many hundreds of millions we give fherh — hundreds of millions we give fherh |fhere— hundreds of millions we give them ithere - be - hundreds of millions we give- them ithere - be i agreement them, there will be no agreement wffh— them, there will be no agreement wffh rrehe— them, there will be no agreement with france because the french wen-f— with france because the french won't-allowed _ with france because the french won't-allowed to - with france because the french won't allowed to have that won't be allowed to have that eereerhehf— won't be allowed to have that agreement because brussels will say,— agreement because brussels will eewlfhfe— agreement because brussels will eewlfhfe fe— agreement because brussels will eewlfhfe re we— agreement because brussels will eewlfhfe re we re— agreement because brussels will say,-this is up to us- agreement because brussels will say, this is up to us to do say, no, this is up to us to do heee— say, no, this is up to us to do because we are— say, no, this is up to us to do because we are operating in fheerw— because we are operating in fheerw e— because we are operating in theory a common eu asylum policy . ahe— theory a common eu asylum policy . ahe r— theory a common eu asylum policy . ahe rtwef— theory a common eu asylum policy . ahe rtwef r— theory a common eu asylum policy . and i just i honestly don't see, unless we— . and i just i honestly don't see, unless we take really bold eeffeh— see, unless we take really bold eeffeh fhef— see, unless we take really bold action that breaches international law in all sorts of international law in all sorts ef wewe— international law in all sorts ef wewe .— international law in all sorts ef wewe , r— international law in all sorts ef wewe , r twef— international law in all sorts of ways , i just don't see of ways, i just don't see a eefwffeh. — of ways, i just don't see a solution. well,- of ways, i just don't see a solution. �*vhhill of ways, i just don't see a solution. �*fhizz solution. well, that's why rwanda was so important. nigel because it didn't demand an agreement with france . we did agreement with france. we did have an agreement with rwanda. a lot and effort has gone lot of time and effort has gone into agreement actually into that agreement and actually there reason there was no earthly reason other than this judicial processes as to we could processes as to why we could not. i think people would not. i don't think people would be harmed in rwanda. there's all kinds evidence. safe

kinds of evidence. it's a safe country. housing very many country. there housing very many refugees under refugees already under the auspices unhcr . but you're auspices of unhcr. but you're always to able find always going to be able to find one risk in one potential slight risk in anything you look at. and i think that's really the courts are being really , really are being really, really cautious. i've got to be careful what because actually, you what i say because actually, you know have respect the know, we have to respect the rule law . this court rule of law. this is the court of appeal in the united kingdom have a considered have come to a considered judgement. the government judgement. all the government can is to continue to press can do is to continue to press on and take this to the higher court , to the supreme court, and court, to the supreme court, and try their case and get try and win their case and get rwanda going, because they've absolutely on absolutely bet their boots on that. we will await the that. nigel we will await the supreme court judgement. tony thank ever for joining supreme courtjudgement. tony thank-ever forjoining me thank you as ever for joining me on thank you as ever for joining me eh-ereererh — thank you as ever for joining me eh-ereererh -fe- thank you as ever for joining me on-program.-to say- thank you as ever for joining me on-program.-to say ,. thank you as ever for joining me on program. to say , i on the program. have to say, i do sometimes— on the program. have to say, i do sometimes think that the hewee— do sometimes think that the hewee ef— do sometimes think that the house of lords— do sometimes think that the house of lords and our judiciary house of lords and ourjudiciary wewe— house of lords and ourjudiciary wewfe ee— house of lords and ourjudiciary would do anything— house of lords and ourjudiciary would do anything they can to would do anything they canto reeke— would do anything they can to would do anything they canto make sure we— would do anything they can to make sure we continue to decline as make sure we continue to decline ee e heffeh— make sure we continue to decline ee e heffeh h— make sure we continue to decline ee e heffeh h e— make sure we continue to decline as a nation. in a moment of pride-— as a nation. in a moment of where. hweeerfew— as a nation. in a moment of pride. hypocrisy, yes . huge pride. hypocrisy, yes. huge pride-— pride. hypocrisy, yes. huge pride. marches— pride. hypocrisy, yes. huge pride. marches taking place in reheeh— pride. marches taking place in reheeh fhfe— pride. marches taking place in london this week. most commercial— london this week. most commercial companies today have pride— commercial companies today have where ffeee— commercial companies today have where ffeee h— commercial companies today have pride flags in their— commercial companies today have pride flags in their front wheewe— pride flags in their front wfheewe .— pride flags in their front windows , but- pride flags in their front windows , but some of them, windows, but some of them, i

fhhh— windows, but some of them, i fhhh ee— windows, but some of them, i think, are real— windows, but some of them, i think, are real hypocrites. and i'll think, are real hypocrites. and rfr he— think, are real hypocrites. and we he tehee— think, are real hypocrites. and i'll be joined by— think, are real hypocrites. and i'll be joined by legendary eeheefeher— i'll be joined by legendary campaigner peter tatchell to heewee— campaigner peter tatchell to discuss this— campaigner peter tatchell to discuss this in— campaigner peter tatchell to discuss this in just a moment.

seven on gb news the people's channel seven on gb news the people's channel, britain's news . channel channel, britain's news. channel so more than half the sponsors of the pride and they're a big march is taking place in london. i'm not quite sure what extra rfehfe— i'm not quite sure what extra rfehre fhew— i'm not quite sure what extra rights they want,— i'm not quite sure what extra rights they want, but it's happening- _ rights they want, but it's happening. and the flags are ewerwwhere— happening. and the flags are everywhere, all— happening. and the flags are everywhere, all over. most eerhrherefef— everywhere, all over. most commercial buildings . but over commercial buildings. but over heff— commercial buildings. but over heff-eeeheere— commercial buildings. but over half sponsors have links to half the sponsors have links to eewwrfefe— half the sponsors have links to countries _the- half the sponsors have links to countries the world in countries around the world in whfeh— countries around the world in which imprisonment, even up to the which imprisonment, even up to he eeefh— which imprisonment, even up to the death penalty— which imprisonment, even up to the death penalty for homosexuals motty exists and her— homosexuals motty exists and fhefr ere— homosexuals motty exists and their big names— homosexuals motty exists and their big names playstation , their big names playstation, weffhw— their big names playstation, netflix, united— their big names playstation, netflix, united airlines . netflix, united airlines. ceee—cefe— netflix, united airlines. coca—cola openreach , and so on coca—cola openreach, and so on ene— coca—cola openreach, and so on end ee— coca—cola openreach, and so on end ee ferfh— coca—cola openreach, and so on end ee ferfh .— coca—cola openreach, and so on and so forth . and— coca—cola openreach, and so on and so forth . and i— coca—cola openreach, and so on and so forth . and i wonder, and so forth. and i wonder, refer— and so forth. and i wonder, peter tatchell— and so forth. and i wonder, peter tatchell ,_ and so forth. and i wonder, peter tatchell , who been a great peter tatchell, who been a great eeheefeher— peter tatchell, who been a great eeheefeher eh— peter tatchell, who been a great campaigner on these issues for heew— campaigner on these issues for mew mew— campaigner on these issues for many, many decades, this is just fhfe— many, many decades, this is just

fhfe fe— many, many decades, this is just fhfe re twef— many, many decades, this is just this is just come— many, many decades, this is just this is just come complete rank hweeerfew— this is just come complete rank hweeerfew, fen-f— this is just come complete rank hypocrisy, isn't it— this is just come complete rank hypocrisy, isn't it ? hypocrisy, isn't it? absolutely. - hypocrisy, isn't it? absolutely. i- hypocrisy, isn't it? absolutely. i mean, pride does need sponsorship because it's a huge event to put on, but it needs to be selective about which sponsors it accepts. and that's outrageous . was that 11 that's outrageous. was that 11 out of the 17 major corporate aukus sponsoring pride on saturday in london are investing in countries where not only lgbt plus people are abused, but also women workers , ethnic minorities women workers, ethnic minorities . it's a huge contradiction and i think it just fuels the idea that these corporates are sponsoring pride because they see it as a great marketing and pr opportunity and their principles are rather dodgy . so principles are rather dodgy. so yeah, no, i think they are. , so yeah, no, i think they are. and i yeah, no, i think they are. and r rheeh— yeah, no, i think they are. and r h— yeah, no, i think they are. and i mean, in uganda, the law has changed-— i mean, in uganda, the law has changed. aggravated homosexuality. they brought the eeefh— homosexuality. they brought the teeth eeheffw— homosexuality. they brought the death penalty back for it. there sewer— death penalty back for it. there saudi arabia,— death penalty back for it. there saudi arabia, elsewhere . i mean, saudi arabia, elsewhere. i mean, the punishments— saudi arabia, elsewhere. i mean, the punishments for this are very,— the punishments for this are werw, werw— the punishments for this are very, very severe— the punishments for this are very, very severe indeed. does ehwheew— very, very severe indeed. does ehwheew eer— very, very severe indeed. does anybody ever call— very, very severe indeed. does

anybody ever call these people ewff — anybody ever call these people ewff hee.— anybody ever call these people out? yes, some— anybody ever call these people out? yes, some of— anybody ever call these people out? yes, some of us- anybody ever call these people out? /ris is firzr anybody ever call these people out? v/ris is firzr out? yes, some of us do. but we get overruled . and are you here get overruled. and are you here on get overruled. and are you here we eh— get overruled. and are you here we eh wewe— get overruled. and are you here on gb news, the— get overruled. and are you here on gb news, the home- gill : and are you here on gb news, the home of free eeeeeh— on gb news, the home of free eeeeeh se— on gb news, the home of free eeeeeh se wew— on gb news, the home of free speech so you can. but you know , the time and time again, the pride organisers say, well, we need sponsorship , that need sponsorship, that no company perfectly clean . company is perfectly clean. without sponsorship won't be without sponsorship we won't be able to on mega event able to put on this mega event which attracts well over a million people on this saturday. so i understand that reasoning , so i understand that reasoning, but we have to be more selective. i'd prefer a scaled down event as long as we made sure the sponsors were clean and honourable. and i say this not just from an lgbt plus point of view, but for the same issues about freedom of speech. the right to strike and protest, you know , all those fundamental know, all those fundamental freedoms that we cherish. lots of these countries are investing in countries where those rights do not exist. and we need to say , you know, if you support pride , you know, if you support pride , you have to stand up for human rights , not just in this rights, not just in this country, but everywhere that you operate, which they clearly do

not. broader point what is this pride— not. broader point what is this where weehehe— not. broader point what is this pride weekend all— broader point what is this pride weekend all about? what's it pride weekend all about? what's ff eff— pride weekend all about? what's ff eff ehewf— pride weekend all about? what's it all about, peter?— pride weekend all about? what's it all about, peter? why why is it all about, peter? why why is ff eeeeerw— it all about, peter? why why is ff eeeeerw f— it all about, peter? why why is ff eeeeerw f r— it all about, peter? why why is it necessary ? i mean, there are it necessary? i mean, there are fhhee— it necessary? i mean, there are fhhee fhef— it necessary? i mean, there are fhhee fhef wew— it necessary? i mean, there are things that you campaign for. a werw— things that you campaign for. a werw rehe— things that you campaign for. a werw feet the— things that you campaign for. a very long time ago . you've had very long time ago. you've had exfreereherw— very long time ago. you've had extraordinary changes in the law or extraordinary changes in the law er h— extraordinary changes in the law er h eeefef— extraordinary changes in the law or in social attitudes . aids. i or in social attitudes. aids. i wew ereffw— or in social attitudes. aids. i mean, you pretty much achieved every— mean, you pretty much achieved ewerw eeer— mean, you pretty much achieved ewerw eeer wew— mean, you pretty much achieved ewerw eeer wew eef— mean, you pretty much achieved every goal you set out to eehfewe— every goal you set out to achieve all— every goal you set out to achieve all those years ago . so achieve all those years ago. so why— achieve all those years ago. so whw ee— achieve all those years ago. so whw we we— achieve all those years ago. so why do we need— achieve all those years ago. so why do we need pride? �*vhhill why do we need pride? well, the fewer— why do we need pride? well, the latest research shows that one third of all lgbt plus people in this country have been victims of homophobic biphobic or hate or transphobic hate crime . just or transphobic hate crime. just the other day at my local bus stop , i was i was abused and stop, i was i was abused and threatened, violently threatened , violently threatened by two passers by. i that was my experience . and it's the experience. and it's the experience. and it's the experience of nearly all my friends in our schools nearly half of all pupils who are lgbt plus are bullied because of their sexuality . now, sometimes their sexuality. now, sometimes it's just teasing and name

calling , but sometimes it's calling, but sometimes it's threats, menaces and physical violence. so of course we have to keep battling and of course, you know that the government promised to ban conversion therapy. the attempt to change someone's sexuality or gender identity five years ago. and we're still waiting . and this is we're still waiting. and this is very, very abusive of the people who are victims of conversion therapy are often vulnerable people who are going through a great emotional distress and they're pressured by their they're pressured by their families or church to undergo these treatments. but these abusive treatments. but equally , we some the goings equally, we some of the goings on tavistock clinic have on at the tavistock clinic have been abhorrent, too. been pretty abhorrent, too. well, that's separate well, that's that's a separate issue, well it is related, issue, but. well it is related, isn't it? well, no, because i think it is. this is about pressuring people to change who they are based based on the assumption that being lgb or t is flawed, shameful, imperfect , is flawed, shameful, imperfect, and needs to be changed. so it's very, very different. but another issue , you know, we do another issue, you know, we do have in this. but hang on,

fewefeeh— have in this. but hang on, tavistock is— have in this. but hang on, tavistock is about- i but hang on, tavistock is about organisations eheewreefhe— tavistock is about organisations encouraging people to change her— encouraging people to change fhefr eeheer— encouraging people to change their gender and— encouraging people to change their gender and that's often a ferrfhfe— their gender and that's often a terrible life— their gender and that's often a terrible life mistake for eeeefe. — terrible life mistake for people. well- terrible life mistake for people. well ,- terrible life mistake for people. �*vhhill �*" terrible life mistake for- people. well , if you look at the people. well, if you look at the research , the vast majority , research, the vast majority, more than 98% of trans people who've been through the process of transitioning have no regrets. they say they're happier , they're mentally happier, they're mentally healthier, physically healthier. there's less than 1% who express regrets and i feel for those people. i'm sorry for those people, but it's a very tiny proportion. and if they're very young,— proportion. and if they're very youngr r— proportion. and if they're very youngr r freeh— proportion. and if they're very young, i mean, that's- cit" and if they're very young, i mean, that's the point fre— young, i mean, that's the point r-rh-feh-f— young, i mean, that's the point r-rh-feh-f fhe— young, i mean, that's the point i'm _isn't the truth- young, i mean, that's the point i'm isn't the truth of i'm making, isn't the truth of it. i'm making, isn't the truth of f. few— i'm making, isn't the truth of f. few heew— i'm making, isn't the truth of f. few hhew .— i'm making, isn't the truth of it. you know , we— i'm making, isn't the truth of it. you know , we can all i mean, it. you know, we can all i mean, eeeeheee— it. you know, we can all i mean, eeeeheee heewe— it. you know, we can all i mean, goodness knows i— it. you know, we can all i mean, goodness knows i know about discrimination— goodness knows i know about discrimination more than almost enwhefw— discrimination more than almost ehwheewlfeh-f— discrimination more than almost anybody.-isn't the- discrimination more than almost anybody. isn't the truth anybody. but isn't the truth of it anybody. but isn't the truth of ff fhef— anybody. but isn't the truth of ff fhef we— anybody. but isn't the truth of it that we can— anybody. but isn't the truth of it that we can beat ourselves up if it that we can beat ourselves up f we— it that we can beat ourselves up f we wehf— it that we can beat ourselves up f we went fe— it that we can beat ourselves up if we want to, but— it that we can beat ourselves up if we want to, but actually , if we want to, but actually, he— if we want to, but actually, fhfe fe— if we want to, but actually, the re ereffw— if we want to, but actually, this is pretty much one of the heef— this is pretty much one of the most tolerant— this is pretty much one of the most tolerant places in the were— most tolerant places in the world-live. _ most tolerant places in the world-live. yeah,- most tolerant places in the world live. “43?" world to live. yeah, we have made huge gains for lgbt made huge gains for the lgbt plus community and want plus community and i want to thank everyone not just lgbt plus but our straight plus people, but our straight friends and allies. thank you so much for standing up for equality and against

discrimination. but still work with us this extra mile and of course support the global struggle because there are still 66 countries that criminalise same sex relations. we've been out same sex relations. we've been ewf ene— same sex relations. we've been out and campaigned— same sex relations. we've been out and campaigned all- we've been out and campaigned all over the were.— out and campaigned all over the were. re— out and campaigned all over the were. he he— out and campaigned all over the world. is this not— out and campaigned all over the world. is this not a— out and campaigned all over the world. is this not a great eewhfrw— world. is this not a great eewhfrw fe— world. is this not a great country to live- world. is this not a great country to live in? o" country to live in? oh, absolutely. _ country to live in? oh, absolutely. absolutely. good. but we can we can always do better and not just better for lgbt. we've got a cost of living crisis where millions of people are and feel for are suffering. and i feel for them. there are many, many issues. -actual - them. there are many, many issues.-actual as- there are many, many issues. actual as ever. issues. yeah actual as ever. fhehh— issues. yeah actual as ever. fhehh wew— issues. yeah actual as ever. thank you for— issues. yeah actual as ever. thank you for-on. issues. yeah actual as ever. thank you for on the thank you for coming on the program-— thank you for coming on the ereererh-wew- thank you for coming on the program. now the tric program. now now the tric hweree— program. now now the tric hweree ff— program. now now the tric awards, it never— program. now now the tric awards, it never goes away . i awards, it never goes away. i ferret— awards, it never goes away. i fefhee fe— awards, it never goes away. i fefhee fe wew— awards, it never goes away. i talked to you last night about hffe— talked to you last night about screen hits and— talked to you last night about screen hits and they've come heck— screen hits and they've come heck-rf— screen hits and they've come heck-ff wew— screen hits and they've come back if you remember the back to us. if you remember the wee— back to us. if you remember the tweet announcing— back to us. if you remember the tweet announcing my win had been feheh— tweet announcing my win had been feheh eewe— tweet announcing my win had been feheh eewh ene— tweet announcing my win had been taken down and the— tweet announcing my win had been taken down and the sponsor's name removed when it was refweefee— name removed when it was retweeted and— name removed when it was retweeted and screen hits have fe— retweeted and screen hits have fe we ehe— retweeted and screen hits have come to us and said they did not reeweef— come to us and said they did not reeweeflfhe— come to us and said they did not request-the tweet— come to us and said they did not request the tweet to be request for the tweet to be renewed— request for the tweet to be rerheweelwe— request for the tweet to be removediwe-in. request for the tweet to be- removediwe-in freedom removed. we believe in freedom of removed. we believe in freedom ef-.— removed. we believe in freedom ef-. ahe— removed. we believe in freedom ef-. ahe heee,- removed. we believe in freedom of-. and rose, the- removed. we believe in freedom of . and rose, the boss of speech. and rose, the boss eewe— of speech. and rose, the boss eewe .— of speech. and rose, the boss eewe, r— of speech. and rose, the boss saysr r eh— of speech. and rose, the boss says , i can also— of speech. and rose, the boss says , i can also confirm i have says, i can also confirm i have hef— says, i can also confirm i have her reefehee— says, i can also confirm i have not resigned from _ says, i can also confirm i have not resigned from tric . the not resigned from tric. the heewe— not resigned from tric. the eeeefe wefee— not resigned from tric. the people voted for the news ereeehfer— people voted for the news presenter award and we support the presenter award and we support he freeeerh —

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tehee— it's time for talking pints. i'm tefhee hw— it's time for talking pints. i'm tefhee hw rehe— it's time for talking pints. i'm joined by john caldwell, refeehehe— joined by john caldwell, telephone entrepreneur. he's twef— telephone entrepreneur. he's twef ewf— telephone entrepreneur. he's twef ewf hfe— telephone entrepreneur. he's just put his phone on silent heee— just put his phone on silent heee ff— just put his phone on silent because it wasn't. and philanthropist john welcome to the ereererh— philanthropist john welcome to the ereererh . — philanthropist john welcome to the program . h gi the program. thank you nigel. pleasure to be here. that made me feweh— pleasure to be here. that made me feweh fhef— pleasure to be here. that made me laugh that was— pleasure to be here. that made me laugh that was the- ”c: ”iii: that made me laugh that was the phone bleeping— me laugh that was the phone hfeeehe ewew— me laugh that was the phone bleeping away seconds before we came on air. now stoke on trent refeee— came on air. now stoke on trent refeee ehe— came on air. now stoke on trent raised and something of a bore an raised and something of a bore eh ehrerehewre— raised and something of a bore an entrepreneur yeah i guess it reeffw— an entrepreneur yeah i guess it was really because i was selling my was really because i was selling rhw fewe— was really because i was selling rhw fewe h— was really because i was selling rhw fewe h fhe— was really because i was selling my toys in the backyard of my ferreeee— my toys in the backyard of my terraced house _ my toys in the backyard of my terraced house in— my toys in the backyard of my terraced house in shelton at the age— terraced house in shelton at the ewe ef— terraced house in shelton at the eee ef fwe. — terraced house in shelton at the age of five. and— terraced house in shelton at the age of five. ' r: si" terraced house in shelton at the age of five. ' “r: si“ terraced house in shelton at the age of five. “r: : age of five. and then i sold out and then i went knocking all around the neighbours door to see if i could buy any toys back from them to have another bite , from them to have another bite, another sale. so i guess i was born to be an entrepreneur and eveni born to be an entrepreneur and even i read breeding worms and selling them to fishermen. all sorts of crazy ideas. yeah, you know, the, the environment that i was brought up in, in the back streets stoke on trent , there streets of stoke on trent, there was no inspiration , no was no inspiration, no aspiration, nothing. know, aspiration, nothing. you know, you destined in the

you were destined to work in the coal mines or in the banks or in the steelworks and that was your aspirational goal. the steelworks and that was your aspirational goal . and so it was aspirational goal. and so it was very difficult to understand how to be creative and innovative in order to make a commercial future. so i did all these crazy things, you know, why ? why? things, you know, why? why? what was it just within you from an what was it just within you from we eerfw— what was it just within you from we eerfw age? — what was it just within you from an early age? oh,— what was it just within you from an early age? 0“ an early age? oh, yeah, absolutely. yeah. well, i don't know why other than my grandmother fed me full of stories of caldwell ancestors who had been very successful. right so maybe i aspired to emulate them. i'm not really sure, but i certainly remember the dream that i had when i was seven years old of being very successful financially and very charitable and my pretentious child had vision of that, was driving around in a in a chauffeur driven rolls—royce, sitting in the back round the back streets of stoke on trent. and these two up two down terrace houses . and handing £5

terrace houses. and handing £5 notes out to poor people and that well , you've got quite that well, you've got quite a long way towards doing all of that so. well a bit more than £5 heeef— that so. well a bit more than £5 heeef swre — that so. well a bit more than £5 heeef swre >_ that so. well a bit more than £5 notes. sure > and— that so. well a bit more than £5 notes. sure > and a— that so. well a bit more than £5 notes. sure > and a very- notes. sure > and a very different way of course. but that was my childhood vision . that was my childhood vision. interesting. and it lived with me forever and i still lacked inspiration in my teens and early 20s . you know, i had to early 20s. you know, i had to really find a way through. so i ended up doing some very silly things like buying embassy coupons that were cigarette coupons, buying those off people, using them to get a prize with and then selling the prize with and then selling the prize in the newsagent's windows. you know what a long winded way of trying to make a few pounds. you've got to start eerhewhere r— few pounds. you've got to start somewhere. i suppose- “cs you've got to start somewhere. few pounds. you've got to start somewhere. i suppose you know what those things did, though, was taught me very, very quickly to be analytical about what might work , what wouldn't work, might work, what wouldn't work, and to understand the nuances of and to understand the nuances of a business and how you'd got to have something scalable and something that really was not a lot of effort and replicable or at least if it was a lot of

effort, it was to grow something of great scale, not to count 50,000 members. now, like a lot of entrepreneurs, school wasn't really your forte, was it ? really your forte, was it? well, it wasn't something that really your forte, was it? - well, it wasn't something that i was particularly— well, it wasn't something that i was particularly interested in eehe. — was particularly interested in eehe. r— was particularly interested in doing- r eff— was particularly interested in doing. i did get— was particularly interested in doing. i did get i- was particularly interested in doing. r: r: gi e was particularly interested in doing. r: r: gi i doing. i did get i think it was ten gcses, not gcse. there were there were . what were they then? there were. what were they then? well, we had o—levels or o—levels or gce o well, we had o—levels or o—levels or gce 0 levels. yeah. yeah i did o—levels and i got ten o—levels. i went on to a—levels. but it just wasn't for me. i was doing maths, physics and chemistry, and i just thought, you know , this is not thought, you know, this is not my destiny , so why am i going to my destiny, so why am i going to spend another two years doing a—levels when my destiny , the a—levels when my destiny, the seven year old destiny , was seven year old destiny, was beckoning me? although i'd got noidea beckoning me? although i'd got no idea what to do. now you do. you no idea what to do. now you do. few fhew— no idea what to do. now you do. few fhew wew— no idea what to do. now you do. you know, you become- no idea what to do. now you do. you know, you become a- now you do. you know, you become a car eeeherehfe— you know, you become a car eeeherehfe .— you know, you become a car dealership . and— you know, you become a car dealership . and that's quite dealership. and that's quite a efeeefe— dealership. and that's quite a classic route— dealership. and that's quite a classic route for— dealership. and that's quite a classic route for a— dealership. and that's quite a classic route for a lot of eeeefe. — classic route for a lot of eeeefe. few— classic route for a lot of people. you know, they get a car hweheee— people. you know, they get a car hwefheee ehe— people. you know, they get a car business and everyone calls you hrfhwr— business and everyone calls you hrfhwr herew— business and everyone calls you hrfhwr dalevr r— business and everyone calls you arthur daley, i suppose, and efwff— arthur daley, i suppose, and ewf-fhef.— arthur daley, i suppose, and efwff-fhef. — arthur daley, i suppose, and stuff-that. well,- stuff like that. well, especially you've got the especially when you've got the sheepskin course. sheepskin coat. well, of course. did oh, yes. because

did you. yes. oh, yes. because i was freezing cold. it wasn't to be like arthur daley , of be looking like arthur daley, of course. it was just you had to keep— course. it was just you had to heee fhe— course. it was just you had to heee rhe eehe— course. it was just you had to keep the cold out— rtrzr it was just you had to keep the cold out somehow. ' “r: keep the cold out somehow. and the where— keep the cold out somehow. and the mobile phone— keep the cold out somehow. and the mobile phone comes along and kind of i'm thinking , when do kind of i'm thinking, when do i get my first mobile phone? 1986 or 7? i was when i set off one of the big motorola's . and you of the big motorola's. and you used to rip out the pockets of a absolutely. but i used it. i was working in financial markets. it saved me a couple of hours a day in the office. people in the office. yeah, people could it made a big could reach me. it made a big difference. it difference. yeah. what was it about the mobile phone? what did you see? well, i went back to my ehrreheee— you see? well, i went back to my childhood _ten,- you see? well, i went back to my childhood—ten, 11,- childhood when i was ten, 11, ehe— childhood when i was ten, 11, end heheew— childhood when i was ten, 11, and nobody had— childhood when i was ten, 11, and nobody had a home telephone , when r— and nobody had a home telephone , even when i was— and nobody had a home telephone , even when i was 14, 15 people hee— , even when i was 14, 15 people hee e— , even when i was 14, 15 people had a telephone— , even when i was 14, 15 people had a telephone on— , even when i was 14, 15 people had a telephone on a party line. few— had a telephone on a party line. few fhew— had a telephone on a party line. few fhew wew— had a telephone on a party line. you know, you could pick up the where— you know, you could pick up the phone.somebody_ you know, you could pick up the phone somebody your party phone if somebody if your party rhe— phone if somebody if your party the e— phone if somebody if your party the wee-ff,— phone if somebody if your party line was-it, you— phone if somebody if your party line was it, you could listen line was on it, you could listen to line was on it, you could listen fe fherr— line was on it, you could listen to their conversation. if to their conversation. or if wewe— to their conversation. or if wee e— to their conversation. or if you're a moralist and you're a more moralist and efhfeeh— you're a more moralist and ethical, maybe— you're a more moralist and ethical, maybe you put the phone heef— ethical, maybe you put the phone heef-ehe— ethical, maybe you put the phone heef-ehe ref— ethical, maybe you put the phone back-and let them- ethical, maybe you put the phone back and let them have back down and let them have a where— back down and let them have a private conversation. but you eheree—fheh- shared the line and then efehfwerrw— shared the line and then eventually got to the point eventually we got to the point where— eventually we got to the point where-fhef— eventually we got to the point where _that - have i eventually we got to the point.

where _that - have a where anyone that didn't have a heme— where anyone that didn't have a home telephone,— where anyone that didn't have a home telephone, you say, well, why— home telephone, you say, well, whw hewee-f— home telephone, you say, well, why haven't they— home telephone, you say, well, why haven't they got a home fereehehef— why haven't they got a home telephone? and— why haven't they got a home telephone? and i— why haven't they got a home telephone? and i just thought, hew—he- how could mobile be any erfferehf— how could mobile be any different-that?- how could mobile be any different-that? it different than that? because it was so versatile— different than that? because it was so versatile ,_ different than that? because it was so versatile , so flexible. was so versatile, so flexible. heereerrw— was so versatile, so flexible. heereerrw wew— was so versatile, so flexible. basically you thought- was so versatile, so flexible. basically you thought everyone's going one of going to want to have one of these. yeah, eventually. yeah. i eee-f— these. yeah, eventually. yeah. i eeh-f—fhe— these. yeah, eventually. yeah. i don't—the consumer| don't think i saw the consumer eeeh— don't think i saw the consumer teem-rf— don't think i saw the consumer boom - it happened - boom quite as it happened heee— boom quite as it happened because as it— boom quite as it happened because as it was a very eeeherfe— because as it was a very expensive product and i don't fhrhh— expensive product and i don't fhrhh ehwheew— expensive product and i don't think anybody could see in those eewe— think anybody could see in those eewe fhew— think anybody could see in those eewe fhew eeer— think anybody could see in those eewe fhew eeef e— think anybody could see in those days they cost a fortune. the i e ferfwne— days they cost a fortune. the i owe a fortune, but— days they cost a fortune. the i owe a fortune, but the airtime , owe a fortune, but the airtime, the airtime absolute the airtime was absolute fortune. it was £33 a month in reheeh— fortune. it was £33 a month in reheeh wrfh— fortune. it was £33 a month in london with no— fortune. it was £33 a month in london with no calls,- it was £33 a month in london with no calls, one minute hrrrrhe. — london with no calls, one minute hrrrrhe. rf— london with no calls, one minute hrrrrhe. rf wew— london with no calls, one minute billing. if you went— london with no calls, one minute billing. if you went over one eee— billing. if you went over one second over the— billing. if you went over one second over the minute or you eerr— second over the minute or you eerr ereeeee— second over the minute or you call dropped out,— second over the minute or you call dropped out, you just get fhreweh— call dropped out, you just get fhreweh ee— call dropped out, you just get through one second, your call ereee— through one second, your call ereee ewf— through one second, your call ereee ewf .— through one second, your call drops out . that's— through one second, your call drops out . that's £0.33 gone drops out. that's £0.33 gone heee. — drops out. that's £0.33 gone now, £0.33. then— drops out. that's £0.33 gone now, £0.33. then in today's rhehew— now, £0.33. then in today's rhehew rfe— now, £0.33. then in today's money, it's probably £2, eerhefhrhe— money, it's probably £2, something like that. maybe yeah. so something like that. maybe yeah. se rf— something like that. maybe yeah. se h e— something like that. maybe yeah. se rf ferw— something like that. maybe yeah. so it was very expensive to run a so it was very expensive to run e rhehrre— so it was very expensive to run a mobile phone,— so it was very expensive to run a mobile phone, but they did rehe— a mobile phone, but they did fehe eff— a mobile phone, but they did take off and— a mobile phone, but they did take off and they did for businesses. _ take off and they did for businesses. “er t businesses. they became essential. essential, yeah , essential. essential, yeah, absolutely. i mean, there's no question about that . and then in

question about that. and then in the 90s, the real consumer boom begins and everyone wants one. and know, you take your and you know, you take your company from, you know, £13 million turnover in 91 to 1 billion by 2000. so just explosive growth. how do you handle that? you know, you've you've got you've suddenly got a company that's growing like topsy. well you know, and sort of success on that scale is always a bit scary, isn't it? yeah, it's very difficult to keep— yeah, it's very difficult to heee lwrfh— yeah, it's very difficult to keep .with a - yeah, it's very difficult to keep with a you had to make keep up with a you had to make it keep up with a you had to make rf heeeeh— keep up with a you had to make it happen because— keep up with a you had to make it happen because not many eeehere— it happen because not many eeeere wee— it happen because not many people were very successful in rhehrre— people were very successful in mobile phones.— people were very successful in mobile phones. there was only a hehefwr— mobile phones. there was only a hehefwr er— mobile phones. there was only a hehefwr er ee— mobile phones. there was only a handful or so that— mobile phones. there was only a handful or so that were truly eweeefwr — handful or so that were truly successful. most— handful or so that were truly successful. most people went out of successful. most people went out ef hwerheee— successful. most people went out of business. so— successful. most people went out of business. so you'd got to hehe—fewe- of business. so you'd got to make-you'd goti of business. so you'd got toi make-you'd got to make it happen. you'd got to fhee— make it happen. you'd got to fheh-we— make it happen. you'd got to fheh-we-fhe- then keep up with the infrastructure . and my biggest infrastructure. and my biggest eherrehee— infrastructure. and my biggest eherrehee ef— infrastructure. and my biggest challenge of all— infrastructure. and my biggest challenge of all was stopping my eweerrere— challenge of all was stopping my eweerrere frerh — challenge of all was stopping my suppliers from from eliminating me here — suppliers from from eliminating me here fhe— suppliers from from eliminating me from the equation because wher— me from the equation because whef fhew— me from the equation because whef fhew err— me from the equation because what they all wanted was , is what they all wanted was, is eerheheew— what they all wanted was, is eerheheew fe— what they all wanted was, is somebody to drive their distributor— somebody to drive their distributor on. but they never wehfee— distributor on. but they never wanted anybody— distributor on. but they never wanted anybody to be too big and to wanted anybody to be too big and fe hewe— wanted anybody to be too big and fe hefe fee— wanted anybody to be too big and fe hefe fee hre— wanted anybody to be too big and monday, but watch out for some stihave across scotland . monday, but watch out for some stihave too across scotland . monday, but watch out for some stihave too big ross scotland . monday, but watch out for some to have too big a— wanted anybody to be too big and to have too big a market share. stihave too big a ss scotland . monday, but watch out for some stihave too big a market and . monday, but watch out for some stihave too big a market share. so to have too big a market share. se ee— to have too big a market share. to have too big a market share. so to have too big a market share. se ee— to have too big a market share.

so as soon as with— to have too big a market share. so as soon as with each eweeher— so as soon as with each so as soon as with— to have too big a market share. so as soon as with each eweeher— so as soon as with each supplien r— so as soon as with each simplies i got- so as soon as with each supplier, i got too too big a supplien r— so as soon as with each simplies i got- so as soon as with each supplier, i got too too big rherhef— supplier, i got too too big a market share.— supplier, i got too too big a market share. i— supplier, i got too too big a market share. i knew exactly wher— market share. i knew exactly whef fhew— market share. i knew exactly what they were _ market share. i knew exactly what they were going to do and fhef— what they were going to do and fhef ee— what they were going to do and fhef fe— what they were going to do and fhef fe frw— what they were going to do and that was to try and clip my whee— that was to try and clip my whee ehe— that was to try and clip my wings and freeze me out. and it felt wings and freeze me out. and it ferf ferw— wings and freeze me out. and it felt very betraying _ wings and freeze me out. and it felt very betraying . actually. felt very betraying. actually. it felt very betraying. actually. rf-ferw— felt very betraying. actually. it-very disloyal- felt very betraying. actually. it very disloyal because it felt very disloyal because we — it felt very disloyal because wew-fe-fherr- it felt very disloyal because - you've-their-share you've grown their market share rheeerferw— you've grown their market share rheeerferw fer— you've grown their market share massively for them. and then all of massively for them. and then all ef e— massively for them. and then all ef e eweeeh— massively for them. and then all of a sudden they— massively for them. and then all of a sudden they think, well, cewewerr-e— of a sudden they think, well, caudwell's too— of a sudden they think, well, caudwell's too powerful. let's it caudwell's too powerful. let's rf eewh. — caudwell's too powerful. let's rf eewh. se— caudwell's too powerful. let's it down. so you— caudwell's too powerful. let's it down. so you just- caudwell's too powerful. let's it down. so you just have to fight and fight and fight, fight, fight, fight, fight forever. and in 2006, you get ewf— forever. and in 2006, you get ewf ehe— forever. and in 2006, you get ewf ehe wew— forever. and in 2006, you get out and you know,— ”rrzriri” and in 2006, you get out and you know, you've come here— out and you know, you've come here fhe— out and you know, you've come here he heef— out and you know, you've come from the back streets of stoke ehe— from the back streets of stoke ehe eweeehrw— from the back streets of stoke and suddenly you're a billionaire— and suddenly you're a billionaire . - and suddenly you're a billionaire . / e and suddenly you're a- billionaire . yeah. it must feel billionaire. yeah. it must feel very odd . well, people billionaire. / e ”iil rig rztrrir: well, people think very odd. well, people think fhef,— very odd. well, people think fhef, ewf— very odd. well, people think fhef, hwf rf— very odd. well, people think that, but it wasn't— rig rztrrir: well, people think that, but it wasn't because it was an evolution— that, but it wasn't because it was an evolution that took me 35, was an evolution that took me es, ho— was an evolution that took me es, he weere— was an evolution that took me es, he weere ef— was an evolution that took me 35, 40 years of blood, sweat and feere— 35, 40 years of blood, sweat and feere . — 35, 40 years of blood, sweat and feere . ahe— 35, 40 years of blood, sweat and feere. hwf ee— 35, 40 years of blood, sweat and tears. and as you— 35, 40 years of blood, sweat and tears . ' 35, 40 years of blood, sweat and tears. and as you evolve into that and i was never sounds strange, but i was never that materialistic , you know, the materialistic, you know, the money was a measure of success and pride, not a matter of, oh, ineed and pride, not a matter of, oh, i need all this money and, and of course with my philanthropic aims , most of it i was going to aims, most of it i was going to

give away anyway. and i mean this give away anyway. and i mean he re— give away anyway. and i mean he he wher— give away anyway. and i mean this is what you've— g and i mean this is what you've done sort of you,— this is what you've done sort of wew erh— this is what you've done sort of your hrrr eefee— this is what you've done sort of you, bill gates, a— this is what you've done sort of you, bill gates, a few others, you— you, bill gates, a few others, wew fhew— you, bill gates, a few others, wew thew, wew— you, bill gates, a few others, you know, you have determined fhef—fe— you know, you have determined fhef—re ewe- that you're going to give away 70. re— that you're going to give away 70. re rf— that you're going to give away 70. re rflwewr— that you're going to give away 70. is it your wealth? / 70. is it of your wealth? yeah. weh— 70. is it of your wealth? yeah. wew-ewfre— 70. is it of your wealth? yeah. well giving pledge well the giving pledge is 50, right pledge give 50% right? people pledge to give 50% away. increase mine to 70% and away. i increase mine to 70% and i'll probably increase it further, especially if i make more money. so, you know, i don't the money for my don't want the money for my children. i'll leave them well—off. be fine. well—off. they'll be fine. you've kids. well, you've got seven kids. well, rfe— you've got seven kids. well, fee—eeh- you've got seven kids. well, r-we—eerf efl i've got seven plus sort of adopted so. eight. eight. adopted one, so. eight. eight. feeh— adopted one, so. eight. eight. feeh ahe— adopted one, so. eight. eight. feeh free e— adopted one, so. eight. eight. yeah and so, so— 3: eight. eight. yeah and so, so they're not going— yeah and so, so they're not going fe— yeah and so, so they're not going he he— yeah and so, so they're not going to be given sums of going to be given huge sums of rhehew— going to be given huge sums of rhehew-wewe— going to be given huge sums of money-you're alive- going to be given huge sums of money you're alive or money whilst you're alive or effer— money whilst you're alive or effer-reerrw- money whilst you're alive or after-really don't. after your. i really don't believe particularly passed believe particularly on passed on money. i think children , on money. i think children, young people need the ability to make their own way in life to make their own way in life to make their own money and to have that pride . i think handing that pride. i think handing money down through the generations destroys lives is not enhances them. i think you're right. so i feel very strongly about that. but equally, i can't leave them destitute , you know, so i've got destitute, you know, so i've got to do something for them. and you said you want to be- you said you want to be remembered— you said you want to be remembered more as a philanthropist than as a

businessman. - philanthropist than as a businessman. you've been heewee— businessman. you've been involved of involved in a huge number of fhrhee— involved in a huge number of fhrhee-ehe- involved in a huge number of things-one area- things and just one area i wehfee— things and just one area i wehfee-eh- things and just one area i wanted-on, and. things and just one area i- wanted-on, and that's wanted to touch on, and that's fhre— wanted to touch on, and that's. fhre—erehrerh. this whole lyme disease problem. and this whole lyme disease problem. whe—ehe— this whole lyme disease problem. whe—ehe erewrhe- this whole lyme disease problem. and and growing and and it's growing and growing and erewrhe— and it's growing and growing and growing-issue— and it's growing and growing and erewrhe-reewe .— and it's growing and growing and growing issue . yeah, the growing as an issue. yeah, the where— growing as an issue. yeah, the eweef ef— growing as an issue. yeah, the number of ticks— growing as an issue. yeah, the number of ticks seem seem to be eeffrhe— number of ticks seem seem to be eeffrhe — number of ticks seem seem to be getting worse and— number of ticks seem seem to be getting worse and worse and ahe— getting worse and worse and worse. and this,— getting worse and worse and worse. and this, this was fhreweh— worse. and this, this was through yes through family experience. yes it through family experience. yes rf — through family experience. yes rf hwf.— through family experience. yes it was. but, you— through family experience. yes it was. but, you know, i'm not it was. but, you know, i'm not it is getting worse, but i'm not sure it's getting as as worse as you would think, because one of the things that i did 7 or 8 years ago was brought massive pubuc years ago was brought massive public attention to it through tv and press and radio and that put it on every doctor's agenda . and people were going into the doctors and saying, i think i've got lyme disease. the doctors hadnt got lyme disease. the doctors hadn't heard of it, so they hadn't even heard of it, so they were recognised at last. were getting recognised at last. but actually what really needed to happen was to get a methodology of testing for lyme disease that was reliable because the nhs test only shows you've got lyme disease if it's 100% certain or the tests may be too insensitive and give you a diagnosis of lyme disease where maybe you haven't got it. so

what we really needed was an absolute certain test. and chris whitty agreed to do this for me. i said, look, if you need me to put money in, i will. and then guess what happened? it committed to it . covid came committed to do it. covid came along. yeah, yeah. no obe which cowh— along. yeah, yeah. no obe which covrh hfrer— g fv/irsr“ grin?" no obe which covid killed everything. rferwfhrhg— covid killed everything. rferwfhrhg .— covid killed everything. everything. absolutely everything. so. but i do need to fight point now. i fight that point again now. i had a friend who got it very eeerw— had a friend who got it very eeerw ehe— had a friend who got it very badly and was— had a friend who got it very badly and was seriously ill and hee— badly and was seriously ill and heelefee— badly and was seriously ill and heelefee wew.— badly and was seriously ill and had stop work. but all had to stop work. but it's all eeeh— had to stop work. but it's all been documented in a book. john tell been documented in a book. john ferr-rf. — been documented in a book. john ferr-rf. ire.- been documented in a book. john tell-it. lis, well,- tell us about it. it is, well, fewe.— tell us about it. it is, well, love, money. that was love, pain and money. that was that title . where's the that was the title. where's the camera? there. yeah. love camera? there. yeah. yeah. love pain is pain and money, because that is my of love, full of my life. full of love, full of pain and full of money. and a board game called— pain and full of money. and a board game called faux- “ rzr“r: and a board game called faux pas. feeh— board game called faux pas. feeh. ahe— board game called faux pas. yeah. and that's— board game called faux pas. yeah. and that's all- board game called faux pas. yeah. and that's all the- yeah. and that's all the development of my life from living in a caravan on my mother's lawn, which is old kent road. right up to my property in mayfair, which is mayfair house. it's a fantastic story. john, thank you for— it's a fantastic story. john, thank you for coming- e rt john, thank you for coming on and eherrhe— thank you for coming on and eherrhe twef— thank you for coming on and sharing just such— thank you for coming on and sharing just such a great efeeewre— sharing just such a great pleasure. and- sharing just such a great pleasure. and in a moment i'm going— pleasure. and in a moment i'm eehe—cerewerr-

going to ask john caldwell for hehhrhe— going to ask john caldwell for banking advice.— going to ask john caldwell for banking advice. he could be the men—err— banking advice. he could be the hen—err ef— banking advice. he could be the hen—err ef hw- man that solves all of my erehfeme— man that solves all of my problems. jacob rees—mogg problems. but jacob rees—mogg has problems. but jacob rees—mogg hee-mweh— problems. but jacob rees—mogg hee-mwehlfhe- problems. but jacob rees—mogg has much the news has been very much in the news feeew— has been very much in the news feeew-err— has been very much in the news feeew-err - has been very much in the news today all ears. jacob today and we're all ears. jacob weft— today and we're all ears. jacob wen, fhehh— today and we're all ears. jacob well, thank you,— today and we're all ears. jacob well, thank you, actually. i ef— well, thank you, actually. i mean, at lords,— well, thank you, actually. i mean, at lords, all- well, thank you, actually. i mean, at lords, all watching mean, at lords, all day watching the but i understand the cricket, but i understand there been some interesting there have been some interesting things elsewhere on the things going on elsewhere on the privileges committee, which doesn't like being criticised. and it seems to me that politicians don't like being politicians who don't like being criticised shouldn't be politicians. once said politicians. somebody once said it's like sailors complaining about the sea . well, jacob, about the sea. well, jacob, fhere— about the sea. well, jacob, fhere — about the sea. well, jacob, there are some— about the sea. well, jacob, there are some that- well, jacob, there are some that will say, you— there are some that will say, you interfered— there are some that will say, you interfered with the process, but you interfered with the process, hwf wew— you interfered with the process, hwf wew wrrr— you interfered with the process, but you will tease— you interfered with the process, but you will tease all of that ewf.— but you will tease all of that ewf. ef— but you will tease all of that out. of course,— but you will tease all of that out. of course, over the course of out. of course, over the course ef fhe— out. of course, over the course ef fhe heef— out. of course, over the course of the next hour.— out. of course, over the course of the next hour. and yes, it e eeef— of the next hour. and yes, it e good few— of the next hour. and yes, it was a good day at lords. england recovered really— was a good day at lords. england recovered really rather well. ahe— recovered really rather well. and-weather,- recovered really rather well. and-weather, i- recovered really rather well. and weather, i hope, because and the weather, i hope, because i'm and the weather, i hope, because the eehe— and the weather, i hope, because the going fe— and the weather, i hope, because the going he he— and the weather, i hope, because the going he he ef— and the weather, i hope, because i'm going to be at lords tomorrow, in the tomorrow, i'm not working in the evening-— tomorrow, i'm not working in the eweehe-hefe- tomorrow, i'm not working in the eweehe-hefe e- tomorrow, i'm not working in the evening. have a look. evening. so let's have a look. whef-e— evening. so let's have a look. where—re- evening. so let's have a look. whef-e—releerhe what's the weather? is it going to what's the weather? is it going fe he— what's the weather? is it going fe he e— what's the weather? is it going fe he e wree— what's the weather? is it going to be a nice day?— what's the weather? is it going to be a nice day? _ what's the weather? is it going to be a nice day? trsii to be a nice day? hello there. welcome to your gb weather welcome to your gb news weather forecast met office. forecast from the met office. i'm looking i'm craig snell. we're looking ahead few it's ahead to the next few days. it's going to remain pretty changeable. some also some changeable. some rain, also some showers. areas, showers. but for northern areas, it windy and it turns increasingly windy and that's of that's all down to its area of low pressure. go through

low pressure. as we go through the days, that will the next few days, that will edge towards the edge its way closer towards the uk. pressure always uk. but high pressure always close to the south. so here we're in the way of dry we're more in the way of dry weather then weather weather then wet weather compared north. so as we compared to the north. so as we end thursday for most of we end thursday for most of us we end thursday for most of us we end on fairly clear and dry end on a fairly clear and dry note. we into friday, note. but as we go into friday, we start to see thicker cloud and spreads and outbreaks of rain spreads its into many western its way into many western districts of the country. but for most going to be a for most it's going to be a fairly night. maybe fairly mild night. maybe a little recently little bit fresher than recently . but for many temperatures, staying in double so we staying in double figures. so we start off friday with some sunshine across many central and eastern parts of the country. but cloud and across but the cloud and rain across the spread its way the west will spread its way eastwards we through the eastwards as we go through the course day. may hang on course of the day. may hang on to some brightness for a good chunk the day for anglia chunk of the day for east anglia and england. where and south east england. so where this it will still this does occur, it will still feel pretty warm. elsewhere, feel pretty warm. but elsewhere, maybe than maybe a little bit cooler than recently. and most recently. and the most persistent reserved persistent rain really reserved for northern ireland and parts of into the evening. of scotland into the evening. very little change. still the risk of some heavy rain across northern ireland and scotland . northern ireland and scotland. rain a little bit more on and

off across england and wales. and for most of us it will be a fairly cloudy one, a little bit more humidity building as we go into the night—time period. so perhaps temperatures overnight a little uncomfortable for little bit uncomfortable for some in the south. no lower than around 17 degrees. so we start saturday on a warm note , but to saturday on a warm note, but to the cloud and rain will quickly clear its way eastwards as we go through the course of the day. so a brighter picture for many of we move into the of us as we move into the afternoon. quite windy for scotland . take here. scotland. so take note here. could see coastal gales and could see some coastal gales and some frequent showers too . here, some frequent showers too. here, but parts of england but for many parts of england and wales, plenty of sunshine and wales, plenty of sunshine and temperatures around average, very similar for and very similar for sunday and monday, but watch out for some strong across scotland .