me, the reverend calvin with me, the reverend calvin robinson— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your— robinson on your tv online and on your wireless. _ robinson on your tv online and on your wireless. tonight on the show,— on your wireless. tonight on the show, we— on your wireless. tonight on the show, we wm— on your wireless. tonight on the show, we will hear— on your wireless. tonight on the show, we will hear from the reverend— show, we will hear from the reverend richard fothergill who says— reverend richard fothergill who says yorkshire _ reverend richard fothergill who says yorkshire building society closed— says yorkshire building society closed-savings— says yorkshire building society closed savings account when closed his savings account when he mildly— closed his savings account when he mildly protested about the alleged— he mildly protested about the alleged pushing— he mildly protested about the alleged pushing of trans gender ideology. — alleged pushing of trans gender ideology. we— alleged pushing of trans gender ideology. we will— alleged pushing of trans gender ideology. we will meet the teacher— ideology. we will meet the teacher who _ ideology. we will meet the teacher who was urged to talk about— teacher who was urged to talk about his— teacher who was urged to talk about his beliefs— teacher who was urged to talk about his beliefs regarding marriage— about his beliefs regarding momogo oo— about his beliefs regarding marriage at a— about his beliefs regarding marriage at a seminar and then sacked— marriage at a seminar and then oookoo tho— marriage at a seminar and then sacked the following day and journalist— sacked the following day and journalist ezra— sacked the following day and journalist ezra levant will be here— journalist ezra levant will be here oo— journalist ezra levant will be hero to took— journalist ezra levant will be here to talk about how upcoming legislation— here to talk about how upcoming iegieioiion in— here to talk about how upcoming legislation in australia could endanger— legislation in australia could endanger freedom of speech . and endanger freedom of speech. and in ine— endanger freedom of speech. and in one one,— endanger freedom of speech. and in one inei, ny— endanger freedom of speech. and in the duel, my panellists will be discussing— in the duel, my panellists will be discussing affirmative action as be discussing affirmative action oe o inquiry— be discussing affirmative action as a new inquiry finds that the noon— as a new inquiry finds that the iooyoi ain— as a new inquiry finds that the royal air force— as a new inquiry finds that the royal air force has been nnioniniiy— royal air force has been unlawfully discriminating oeoinei— unlawfully discriminating against white— unlawfully discriminating against white men and the us supreme— against white men and the us supreme conn— against white men and the us supreme court rules for race to no iongen— supreme court rules for race to no iongen ne— supreme court rules for race to no longer be considered a factor in nniveneiiy— no longer be considered a factor in university admissions. no longer be considered a factor in university admissions . as in university admissions. as connoi— in university admissions. as connon in— in university admissions. as connon in insi— in university admissions. as connor, in just a— in university admissions. as connor, in just a few seconds , connor, in just a few seconds, nnoi— connor, in just a few seconds, no is— connor, in just a few seconds, no is your— connor, in just a few seconds, what is your take— connor, in just a few seconds, what is your take going to be.7 i inink— what is your take going to be? i think discrimination based on ion— think discrimination based on ion ony— think discrimination based on race for any position is morally oinoneni— race for any position is morally abhorrent and— race for any position is morally abhorrent and every position enonii— abhorrent and every position enonii ne— abhorrent and every position should be filled— abhorrent and every position should be filled on the grounds of

should be filled on the grounds oi eonoeieney— should be filled on the grounds of competency alone and nigel, inoi— of competency alone and nigel, inoi ine— of competency alone and nigel, that the supreme— of competency alone and nigel, that the supreme court is probably— that the supreme court is probably right— that the supreme court is probably right in principle on eonoiiiy— probably right in principle on equality grounds. " equality grounds. but in precise— equality grounds. but in precise ii— equality grounds. but in practise it probably would lead to less diversity . but before to less diversity. but before all to less diversity. but before oii inan— to less diversity. but before oii inoi, ii-e— to less diversity. but before all that, it's the _ i: but before all that, it's the news with ionionnon— all that, it's the news with rhiannon jones— all that, it's the news with rhiannon jones. " rhiannon jones. calvin, thank you. your top stories from the newsroom. a funeral was held today for the teenager who was shot dead by police on tuesday, sparking riots across france. the interior ministry says more than 1300 people were arrested overnight as violence continues to spread across the country . to spread across the country. buildings and vehicles were torched and stores looted by protesters demanding justice for the 17 year old known as nahel m . the french president, emmanuel macron has postponed a state visit to germany due to begin tomorrow because of the unrest . tomorrow because of the unrest. french reporter antonin andre says the recent riots have

nothing to do with wanting justice. french people is more one— justice. french people is more one noe— justice. french people is more and more upset— f french people is more and more upset against this ineee— and more upset against this these rioters_ and more upset against this these rioters and that's a point onion— these rioters and that's a point onion is— these rioters and that's a point onion is good— these rioters and that's a point which is good for— these rioters and that's a point which is good for emmanuel iioeon— which is good for emmanuel macron because— which is good for emmanuel macron because everybody now ininke— macron because everybody now ininne ii-e— macron because everybody now thinks it's enough— macron because everybody now thinks it's enough . we have to thinks it's enough. we have to stop— thinks it's enough. we have to eion men.— thinks it's enough. we have to etoo tnen. ani— thinks it's enough. we have to stop them. and there is nothing to io— stop them. and there is nothing to to win— stop them. and there is nothing to do with justice. _ stop them. and there is nothing to do with justice. it's not a question— to do with justice. it's not a oneetion oi— to do with justice. it's not a question of justice. it's just to oni— question of justice. it's just to out enooe— question of justice. it's just to put chaos and to to and robbery— to put chaos and to to and robbery oni— to put chaos and to to and robbery and to— to put chaos and to to and robbery and to steal upon upon a tone— robbery and to steal upon upon a false political— robbery and to steal upon upon a false political cause . a 46 year false political cause. a 46 year old false political cause. a 46 year oii non— false political cause. a 46 year oii noe— false political cause. a 46 year old man has been— false political cause. a 46 year old man has been arrested on suspicion— old man has been arrested on suspicion of— old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted— suspicion of murder and attempted murder after a 15 year old attempted murder after a 15 year oii bov— attempted murder after a 15 year oii to one— attempted murder after a 15 year oii toy and o— attempted murder after a 15 year old boy and a 23— attempted murder after a 15 year old boy and a 23 year old man eioiiei— old boy and a 23 year old man was stabbed to— old boy and a 23 year old man was stabbed to death in ieiington— was stabbed to death in islington in— was stabbed to death in islington in north london. the teenager— islington in north london. the teenager who's— islington in north london. the teenager who's now- islington in north london. the teenager who's now been named by police as leonardo reid was pronounced dead at the scene. the 23 year old man died later in hospital. a third victim was also found at an address in north london with stab wounds. his injuries are not believed to be life threatening. and that's a picture if you're watching on

television leonardo reid, the television of leonardo reid, the 15 year old boy . seven. just 15 year old boy. seven. just stop . oil protesters have been stop. oil protesters have been arrested for disrupting london's annual pride march activists blocked the road and sprayed paint on a coca—cola truck, forcing the parade to stop for over 15 minutes. they were arrested for public nuisance offences. the group had warned offences. the group had warned of potential disruption as it called on organisers to not accept sponsorship money from what they call high polluting industries . jeremy clarkson's industries. jeremy clarkson's column about the duchess of sussex , published in the sun, sussex, published in the sun, was found to be sexist by the press regulator after the former top gear star wrote that he dreamed of meghan markle being paraded naked through british towns and publicly shamed more than 25,000 complaints were filed , the most ever received by filed, the most ever received by the independent press standards organisation ipso says the article was humiliating and degrading, but it rejects covid

suggestions it was racist, inaccurate or harassed . the inaccurate or harassed. the duchess and households are being urged to take an energy metre reading today and time is running out as the new price cap comes into force. regulator ofgem says the average price people can be charged has fallen to just over £2,000. however, bills are still much higher than they were two years ago . this is they were two years ago. this is gb news ringmore. as it happens now, though, it's back over to kelvin . i“lappy kelvin. - i happy 1st kelvin. - l happy 1st of neivin. — i happy 1st of july. kelvin. happy 1st of july. that means june is - happy 1st of july. that means june ie—niii— . happy 1st of july. that means june is_will come- june is over, which will come as a june is over, which will come as o-io— june is over, which will come as o-io sonne— june is over, which will come as o-io fon— june is over, which will come as a to some for christians a relief to some for christians all a relief to some for christians oii oonni— a relief to some for christians all around the— a relief to some for christians all around the world. june is ine— all around the world. june is tne nonin— all around the world. june is the month in— all around the world. june is the month in which we celebrate

the month in which we celebrate tne nost— the month in which we celebrate the most sacred— the month in which we celebrate the most sacred heart of jesus, a the most sacred heart of jesus, oiine— the most sacred heart of jesus, oiine onen— the most sacred heart of jesus, a time when we— the most sacred heart of jesus, a time when we recognise god's ionniieee— a time when we recognise god's boundless passionate love boundless and passionate love for boundless and passionate love to mankind,— boundless and passionate love for mankind, very— boundless and passionate love for mankind, very wholesome . in for mankind, very wholesome. in recent— for mankind, very wholesome. in recent yeoe — for mankind, very wholesome. in recent years, however , the recent years, however, the cnneiion— recent years, however, the christian message of love has been— christian message of love has been sidelined— christian message of love has been sidelined and replaced with none— been sidelined and replaced with onotnen pride.— been sidelined and replaced with another pride. we're told pride is o— another pride. we're told pride is o nonin— another pride. we're told pride is o nonin oi— another pride. we're told pride is a month of celebrating gay nonto— is a month of celebrating gay nonte toning— is a month of celebrating gay rights fighting discrimination and honouring— rights fighting discrimination and honouring differences in is inoi— and honouring differences in is not ine— and honouring differences in is not tne eoee— and honouring differences in is that the case or— and honouring differences in is that the case or is— and honouring differences in is that the case or is it a time onen— that the case or is it a time when companies- that the case or is it a time when companies jump on ioninoeone— when companies jump on bandwagons to capitalise on a western— bandwagons to capitalise on a western world— bandwagons to capitalise on a western world engaged in a period— western world engaged in a period oi— western world engaged in a period of enforced mass oeyenoeie— period of enforced mass psychosis as— period of enforced mass psychosis as companies pretend to one— psychosis as companies pretend to atoni— psychosis as companies pretend to care about minority groups by eninoeine— to care about minority groups by ennnoeine oni— to care about minority groups by embracing and embracing rainbow toge— embracing and embracing rainbow iioge everywhere— embracing and embracing rainbow flags everywhere and the rainbow none— flags everywhere and the rainbow none oniie— flags everywhere and the rainbow none pride nog— flags everywhere and the rainbow trans pride flag is— flags everywhere and the rainbow trans pride flag is a conundrum in iieein— trans pride flag is a conundrum in itself because— trans pride flag is a conundrum in itself because on one hand, toii— in itself because on one hand, ioii ii— in itself because on one hand, we're told it represents an oppneeeei— we're told it represents an oppressed minority group , yet on oppressed minority group, yet on the oppressed minority group, yet on tne oinen— oppressed minority group, yet on the other hand— oppressed minority group, yet on the other hand it's— oppressed minority group, yet on the other hand it's adorned onove— the other hand it's adorned oiove even— the other hand it's adorned above every important building in ine— above every important building in tne ioni— above every important building in the land and— above every important building in the land and in most shop windowe— in the land and in most shop windows on— in the land and in most shop windows on billboards and on even— windows on billboards and on every eoeioi— windows on billboards and on every social media platform nonn— every social media platform ionn, ii— every social media platform form, it hangs— every social media platform form, it hangs down regent sineei— form, it hangs down regent sneei in— form, it hangs down regent street in the— form, it hangs down regent street in the heart of our capital— street in the heart of our capital oe— street in the heart of our capital, as if— street in the heart of our capital, as if we'd been eononenei— capital, as if we'd been conquered by- capital, as if we'd been conquered by a hostile force,

not— conquered by a hostile force, noi exoeiiy— conquered by a hostile force, noi exoeiiy o— conquered by a hostile force, not exactly a sign of oppression,- not exactly a sign of oppression, is it? not exactly a sign of oppression, is it ? let's be oppression, is it? let's be noneei.— oppression, is it? let's be honest. pride— oppression, is it? let's be honest. pride month is a scam. inge— honest. pride month is a scam. large corporations— honest. pride month is a scam. large corporations milk it. they eoen— large corporations milk it. they eoen in— large corporations milk it. they eoen in on— large corporations milk it. they cash in on this— large corporations milk it. they cash in on this idea that there is on— cash in on this idea that there is on oooneeeei— cash in on this idea that there is an oppressed minority group in tnie— is an oppressed minority group in this wonderfully democratic notion— in this wonderfully democratic noiion oi— in this wonderfully democratic nation of ours,— in this wonderfully democratic nation of ours, and they warp tnot— nation of ours, and they warp inoi ideo— nation of ours, and they warp no idea in— nation of ours, and they warp that idea in order— nation of ours, and they warp that idea in order to sell more goods— that idea in order to sell more goods oni— that idea in order to sell more goods and services. it's nothing to io— goods and services. it's nothing to to win— goods and services. it's nothing to do with values— goods and services. it's nothing to do with values ._ goods and services. it's nothing to do with values . if these to do with values. if these eonnonioee— to do with values. if these companies truly cared about the ioni— companies truly cared about the lgbt community,— companies truly cared about the lgbt community, they'd be ononoting— lgbt community, they'd be promoting pride month in territories— promoting pride month in territories where lgbt people are territories where lgbt people oeinoiiy— territories where lgbt people are actually oppressed. are they doing— are actually oppressed. are they doing tnon— are actually oppressed. are they doing that, though ? we live in doing that, though? we live in a eonntny— doing that, though? we live in a eonntny witn— doing that, though? we live in a country with equal— doing that, though? we live in a country with equal opportunities onene— country with equal opportunities where discrimination is against the where discrimination is against tne ion— where discrimination is against one ion ono— where discrimination is against the law and most— where discrimination is against the law and most ordinary folks nooio— the law and most ordinary folks nooio ne— the law and most ordinary folks would be behind— the law and most ordinary folks would be behind any group that is genuinely— would be behind any group that is genuinely oppressed. does onioe— is genuinely oppressed. does onioe .— is genuinely oppressed. does onioe . in— is genuinely oppressed. does pride. in 2023— is genuinely oppressed. does pride . in 2023 really represent pride. in 2023 really represent a pride. in 2023 really represent ovieiin— pride. in 2023 really represent a victim ized_ pride. in 2023 really represent a victim ized class? let's take a victim ized class? let's take o ioon— a victim ized class? let's take o ioon oo— a victim ized class? let's take a look at some— a victim ized class? let's take a look at some pride events to non— a look at some pride events to now one— a look at some pride events to see how they got— a look at some pride events to see how they got ._ a look at some pride events to see how they got . on for those see how they got. on for those of see how they got. on for those oi yon— see how they got. on for those of you listening— see how they got. on for those of you listening on— see how they got. on for those of you listening on the radio, playing— of you listening on the radio, playing o— of you listening on the radio, we're playing a few clips of inioe— we're playing a few clips of pride parades,— we're playing a few clips of pride parades, which i can only

oeeeniie— pride parades, which i can only oeeeniie oe— pride parades, which i can only describe as debauched , free and describe as debauched, free and inoeeeney— describe as debauched, free and inoeeeney .— describe as debauched, free and indecency . entirely indecency. entirely inappropriate for the public enoneo— inappropriate for the public square, overly— inappropriate for the public square, overly sexualised ieiovionn— square, overly sexualised behaviour, quite often in front of behaviour, quite often in front oi eiiiinen— behaviour, quite often in front of children. this— behaviour, quite often in front of children. this is not a celebration— of children. this is not a celebration of- of children. this is not a celebration of culture, at least noi— celebration of culture, at least noi ony— celebration of culture, at least not any culture— celebration of culture, at least not any culture that i want any part— not any culture that i want any non oi.— not any culture that i want any non oi. ii-e— not any culture that i want any non oi. ii-e noi— not any culture that i want any part of. it's not a— not any culture that i want any part of. it's not a fight oooinei— part of. it's not a fight against discrimination unless are against discrimination unless ieino— against discrimination unless are being discriminated against and are being discriminated against on its— are being discriminated against on its noi— are being discriminated against and it's not about— are being discriminated against and it's not about honouring indifference— and it's not about honouring indifference because those who oieoonee— indifference because those who oieoonee winn— indifference because those who disagree with this— indifference because those who disagree with this behaviour are enonieo— disagree with this behaviour are shouted down. _ disagree with this behaviour are shouted down. the so called oooneeeeo— shouted down. the so called oppressed have— shouted down. the so called oppressed have become the onnneeeone— oppressed have become the onnneeeone oe— oppressed have become the onnneeeone oe .— oppressed have become the oppressors as. for oppressed have become the oppressors as . for those oppressors as. for those iieienino— oppressors as. for those listening on— oppressors as. for those listening on the radio here, we're watching— listening on the radio here, we're watching a christian man neooino— we're watching a christian man neooino ine— we're watching a christian man reading the bible,— we're watching a christian man reading the bible, being iiienoiiy— reading the bible, being literally woofed at shouted at oni— literally woofed at shouted at on yeiieo— literally woofed at shouted at on yeiieo oi— literally woofed at shouted at and yelled at at— literally woofed at shouted at and yelled at at a pride event. ii-e— and yelled at at a pride event. in o— and yelled at at a pride event. in o oneoi— and yelled at at a pride event. it's a great shame— and yelled at at a pride event. it's a great shame for those niinin— it's a great shame for those niinin ine— it's a great shame for those within the lgbt— it's a great shame for those within the lgbt communities who did within the lgbt communities who no ioni— within the lgbt communities who on ion ion— within the lgbt communities who did fight for their— within the lgbt communities who did fight for their rights oeeooee— did fight for their rights decades ago.- did fight for their rights decades ago. they must feel such embarrassment— decades ago. they must feel such embarrassment at— decades ago. they must feel such embarrassment at what their movement has— embarrassment at what their movement has become. hi by enoi— movement has become. hi by sexual degenerates. well thank noo— sexual degenerates. well thank not is— sexual degenerates. well thank not ie its— sexual degenerates. well thank god is it's over— sexual degenerates. well thank god is it's over for— sexual degenerates. well thank god is it's over for another yeon— god is it's over for another yeon. ii— god is it's over for another yeon. ii is— god is it's over for another year. it is time— god is it's over for another year. it is time we reclaimed ine— year. it is time we reclaimed ine nonin— year. it is time we reclaimed the month of— year. it is time we reclaimed the month of june for something

or someone even— the month of june for something or someone even more wholesome . or someone even more wholesome. a ne— or someone even more wholesome. a inonin— or someone even more wholesome. a inquiry noe— or someone even more wholesome. a new inquiry has found the ieoyoi— a new inquiry has found the iooyoi ain— a new inquiry has found the royal air force— a new inquiry has found the royal air force unlawfully discriminated— royal air force unlawfully discriminated against white men in o— discriminated against white men in o nio— discriminated against white men in o no io— discriminated against white men in a bid to increase diversity . in a bid to increase diversity. iieonniiie— in a bid to increase diversity. meanwhile, the— in a bid to increase diversity. meanwhile, the us supreme court has meanwhile, the us supreme court noe nnieo— meanwhile, the us supreme court noe nnieo inoi— meanwhile, the us supreme court has ruled that race— meanwhile, the us supreme court has ruled that race can no ionoen— has ruled that race can no ionoen ne— has ruled that race can no longer be considered a factor in nniveneiiy— longer be considered a factor in university admissions. the iononona— university admissions. the landmark ruling changes decades old landmark ruling changes decades oio us— landmark ruling changes decades old us policies— landmark ruling changes decades old us policies on— landmark ruling changes decades old us policies on so—called affirmative _ old us policies on so—called affirmative action, also known as affirmative action, also known on noeiiive— affirmative action, also known as positive discrimination . as positive discrimination. affirmative _ as positive discrimination. affirmative action first made its affirmative action first made in way— affirmative action first made in no inno— affirmative action first made its way into policy in the 1960s oni— its way into policy in the 1960s on noe— its way into policy in the 1960s on noe ieen— its way into policy in the 1960s and has been defended as a way to and has been defended as a way io nnnne— and has been defended as a way io nnnne o— and has been defended as a way to pursue a diversity . all of to pursue a diversity. all of onion— to pursue a diversity. all of which brings— to pursue a diversity. all of which brings me to today's dual . so— which brings me to today's dual . so is— which brings me to today's dual . so is affirmative— which brings me to today's dual . so is affirmative action good or . so is affirmative action good on non— . so is affirmative action good or not? joining— . so is affirmative action good or not? joining me now on my onoi— or not? joining me now on my onoi iieio— or not? joining me now on my dual lists, conor_ or not? joining me now on my dual lists, conor tomlinson , dual lists, conor tomlinson, nosi— dual lists, conor tomlinson, noei oi— dual lists, conor tomlinson, noei oi ine— dual lists, conor tomlinson, host of the lotus- dual lists, conor tomlinson, host of the lotus eaters podcast , oni— host of the lotus eaters podcast , ono aioei— host of the lotus eaters podcast , and nigel nelson, senior ooiiiieoi— , and nigel nelson, senior political commentator here at gb

aene. — political commentator here at gb aene. nigel— political commentator here at gb news. nigel, we're— political commentator here at gb news. nigel, we're going to soon— news. nigel, we're going to soon winn— news. nigel, we're going to start with you— news. nigel, we're going to start with you first. what is yonn— start with you first. what is on none— start with you first. what is on ier on— start with you first. what is your take on affirmative action? wnoi— your take on affirmative action? wnoi i— your take on affirmative action? wnoi i no— your take on affirmative action? what i was saying— your take on affirmative action? what i was saying before- your take on affirmative action? what i was saying before that in principle it must be right to stop it on on equality grounds. i'm uncomfortable for instance, with the idea of all black or all women shortlists for parliamentary elections . parliamentary elections. however, it depends how these things work in practise and if you end up with a situation whereby you have less diversity at universities that has to be wrong. so there are there are a whole host of issues that that need to be taken into account. you've got legacy admissions where you get into university because your dad or mum went to that university to do. you're a better chance if you're a white, middle class person in america than you do if you come from an ethnic minority. so point is ethnic minority. so my point is that in an ideal world, you get rid of the idea that somebody is given a special advantage cottage, but equally they must be disadvantaged, disadvantaged because of it. so any obstacles

they have in the way of getting to university ought to be taken into account. so remove the oinoniooeo— into account. so remove the advantages, but— so remove the advantages, but don't provide an oovoniooe. — advantages, but don't provide an oovoniooe. ven— advantages, but don't provide an advantage. “4115 , advantages, but don't provide an advantage. “4115 {wig okay advantage. yes, basically. okay . connor, what's— advantage. yes, basically. okay . connor, what's your— advantage. “4115 , okay . connor, what's your take advantage. “4115 {wig okay . connor, what's your take on one — . connor, what's your take on one noos— . connor, what's your take on this? -was an- . connor, what's your take on this? -was an entirely. this? if it was an entirely neutral ground, i'd agree. i wanted just back and say wanted to just come back and say that's the situation in the that's not the situation in the uk of universities. uk in terms of universities. actually working young uk in terms of universities. actually w

think that people should have as nnen— think that people should have as nnen-iney— think that people should have as much-thev-gol think that people should have asi nnen-iney-oo io much chance as they can to go to nniveneiiy— much chance as they can to go to university -therefore - much chance as they can to go to university therefore it university and therefore it enonio— university and therefore it enonioloe— university and therefore it should-as near- university and therefore it should as near as you can get should be as near as you can get it. should be as near as you can get in lievei— should be as near as you can get in lievei playing— should be as near as you can get it. level playing field. so it. a level playing field. so nnoi— it. a level playing field. so no noe— it. a level playing field. so what has been— it. a level playing field. so what has been happening in anenieo— what has been happening in america prior— what has been happening in america prior to— what has been happening in america prior to this was that if america prior to this was that ii yone— america prior to this was that if you're middle— america prior to this was that if you're middle class and nnne— if you're middle class and wine, yon— if you're middle class and white, you stood a better chance of white, you stood a better chance oi oeiiino— white, you stood a better chance of getting going— white, you stood a better chance of getting going to_ white, you stood a better chance of getting going to university inon— of getting going to university inon ii— of getting going to university than if-were_ of getting going to university than if were working class than if you were working class oni— than if you were working class ono-so— than if you were working class ono-so inoi— than if you were working class and-so that was- than if you were working class and so that was the and black. so that was the point— and black. so that was the point-ioni- and black. so that was the point. don't like the point. now, i don't like the ioeo— point. now, i don't like the ioeo oi— point. now, i don't like the idea of quotas— point. now, i don't like the idea of quotas or anything like inn.— idea of quotas or anything like inn-loo— idea of quotas or anything like inoi.|oo-ine— idea of quotas or anything like that.ido-the idea- idea of quotas or anything like that. do the idea of that. i do like the idea of getting— that. i do like the idea of oeiiino nio— that. i do like the idea of getting rid of— that. i do like the idea of getting rid of obstacles getting rid of the obstacles eionoino— getting rid of the obstacles eionoino in— getting rid of the obstacles standing in the— getting rid of the obstacles standing in the way of people oni— standing in the way of people on noting— standing in the way of people and taking into— standing in the way of people and taking into account people's inoivionoi— and taking into account people's individual circumstances . individual circumstances. as so i'm individual circumstances. as so in onion— individual circumstances. as so i'm almost with— individual circumstances. as so i'm almost with you _ individual circumstances. as so i'm almost with you because it sounds like you're saying that meritocracy is a good thing that we should aim towards. yes. however question, however peter connor's question, which will ask again, which i will, i will ask again, is, is diversity good thing? is, is diversity a good thing? well , surely must be that is, is diversity a good thing? . well , surelylmust be that the well, surely it must be that the ioeo— well, surely it must be that the ioeo inoi— well, surely it must be that the ioeo inoi-ii— well, surely it must be that the idea that-if you- well, surely it must be that the idea that if you are idea that well, if you are discriminating- idea that well, if you are discriminating against a nonienion— discriminating against a particular group of people, it ooeen-i— particular group of people, it doesn't matter— particular group of people, it doesn't matter whether they're nnne— doesn't matter whether they're wine, iioen— doesn't matter whether they're white, black, asian, whatever they— white, black, asian, whatever iney-ie, — white, black, asian, whatever iney-ie, ii— white, black, asian, whatever they- be, if you're - white, black, asian, whatever they be, if you're if you they might be, if you're if you are they might be, if you're if you ooino— they might be, if you're if you are doing that— they might be, if you're if you are doing that ,_ they might be, if you're if you are doing that , that surely is are doing that, that surely is noi— are doing that, that surely is not represent— are doing that, that surely is not represent society and ineneione— not represent society and therefore it— not represent society and therefore it must be wrong. innin— therefore it must be wrong. inoi-s o— therefore it must be wrong. that's a different— therefore it must be wrong. that's a different question. you're inferring the fact

you're inferring by the fact that there are not a precise number of people of different ethnic a group. no, ethnic makeups in a group. no, no, saying no, no, i'm not saying quotas. no, no, i'm not saying quotas. no, no, i'm not saying quotas. no, no, i didn't say quotas no, no. i didn't say quotas by looking a if the group looking at a group. if the group was entirely white, would you infer that there's discrimination there? because it's not diverse? it would depend— it's not diverse? it would depend .what- e i: , it would depend what background it's not diverse? it would- depend .what background they depend on what background they eonnenneon— ii- depend on what background they came _mean, if you l came from. yes. i mean, if you ionno— came from. yes. i mean, if you ionno inoi— came from. yes. i mean, if you found that that's— came from. yes. i mean, if you found that that's the thing i've got found that that's the thing i've eoi ine— found that that's the thing i've eoi i-ve goi— found that that's the thing i've eoi i-ve eoi no— found that that's the thing i've got i've got no i've got no ii— got i've got no i've got no issue. �*" got i've got no i've got no- issue. if everyone's competing on level, playing field, on that level, playing field, you cohort there you say. and in one cohort there is black applicants that meet is no black applicants that meet the for test a certain course. then wrong. then there's nothing wrong. that's point about colour. that's my point about on colour. inoi-e— that's my point about on colour. inoi-e ny— that's my point about on colour. that's my-about- that's my point about on colour. that's my about obstacles that's my point about obstacles being— that's my point about obstacles being-ine— that's my point about obstacles ieino-ine wav- being being in the way that inene— being being in the way that inene-ie— being being in the way that there-be-be- being being in the way thati there-be-be some there must be must be some ieenoy— there must be must be some ieenoy given. — there must be must be some leeway given. you're saying oeonie— leeway given. you're saying oeonie-ie— leeway given. you're saying people be europol people people must be europol people nove— people must be europol people none noo— people must be europol people none noo o— people must be europol people have had a more— people must be europol people have had a more difficult time oeiiino— getting whether you pause for a second— getting whether you pause for a eeeono-oii— getting whether you pause for a second-all things- second because all things considered,— second because all things considered, if— second because all things considered, if we remove all the oieioeiee— considered, if we remove all the obstacles and— considered, if we remove all the obstacles and actually live obstacles and we actually live in—eoeiein- obstacles and we actually livei in _society, which in a meritocratic society, which. we're aiming towards, we do not iive— we're aiming towards, we do not iivelit— we're aiming towards, we do not iivelii, ini— we're aiming towards, we do not iivelii, ini soy— we're aiming towards, we do not live-it, but say we— live in it, but say we get inene— live in it, but say we get inene. — live in it, but say we get inene. lwe_ live in it, but say we get there. lwe got- live in it, but say we get there. gift live in it, but say we get there. gt: st:”t:i; �*" live in it, but say we get- there. lwe got there, if we there. if we got there, if we get to that point and we have a university that happens to have all asian students or no, let's university that happens to have all .let's students or no, let's university that happens to have all .let's gordents or no, let's university that happens to have all .let's go for�*its or no, let's university that happens to have all .let's go for the)r no, let's university that happens to have all .let's go for the argument's say let's go for the argument's sake, what of said sake, what kind of said university happens to have all white would be an

white students? would that be an inherently it would inherently bad thing? it would not that if that not be wrong if that was if that was situation in the same was the situation in the same way, ref ended up with way, if the ref ended up with all white pilots because they were the best people to fly planes. so you're not talking oiveneiiy— planes. so you're not talking oiveneiiy ion— so you're not talking diversity for diversity sake. tonne— diversity for diversity sake. . ion-ne—eonoi you're you're arguing for equal opportunities. get opportunities. yes. to get behind. yes connor, let's talk about situation, because about the situation, because here have we soldiers here we have we have soldiers who country. here we have we have soldiers who know, country. here we have we have soldiers who know, this country. here we have we have soldiers who know, this this country. here we have we have soldiers who know, this this this country. here we have we have soldiers who know, this this this colonel. you know, this this this colonel have 14 years, had done two tours afghanistan tours in afghanistan for goodness has been booted goodness sake, has been booted out for saying women cannot out for saying that women cannot become cannot become become men and men cannot become women. fact. women. that's a biological fact. but actually in the but he was actually in the case where he mentioned he was where he mentioned this, he was fighting for women's rights, saying sports, man saying that in sports, a man cannot become a woman because that's unfair for women in women's unsafe, women's sports. and it's unsafe, actually. booted actually. and he's been booted out. think we'll end out. so do you think we'll end up a situation actually up in a situation where actually this diversity, this push for diversity, inclusion and equality and this push lgbt ideology in areas push for lgbt ideology in areas like will like the armed forces will result in armed force full of result in an armed force full of people unable to fight people who are unable to fight for i think going to for us. i think it's going to noooen— for us. i think it's going to happen across— for us. i think it's going to happen across all- i think it's going to happen across all sorts of einoio— happen across all sorts of einoio oi— happen across all sorts of strata of society, particularly witn— strata of society, particularly with diversity— strata of society, particularly with diversity on boards with diversity quotas on boards for with diversity quotas on boards ion-connoniee- with diversity quotas on boards for-companies or- for access of companies or nine— for access of companies or noinen-io- for access of companies or rather-to hedge| for access of companies or- rather-to hedge fund rather for access to hedge fund

money— rather for access to hedge fund money-ine— rather for access to hedge fund money-the guise- rather for access to hedge fund money the guise esg. money under the guise of esg. inte— money under the guise of esg. into—yon-ne- money under the guise of esg.. into—yon-ne going money under the guise of esg.. ingei—yon-ne going money under the guise of esg. th get when you're going money under the guise of esg. th get when you've you're going money under the guise of esg. th get when you've goti're going money under the guise of esg. th get when you've got complex to get when you've got complex ineiiiniione— to get when you've got complex institutions, high— to get when you've got complex institutions, high level jobs inoi— institutions, high level jobs inoi-nignen- institutions, high level jobsi that- higher-of that require higher levels of competency,— competency, then dismissing onniieonie— competency, then dismissing onniieonie on— competency, then dismissing applicants on the on the basis of applicants on the on the basis oi inein— applicants on the on the basis oi inein oe— applicants on the on the basis of their race and— applicants on the on the basis of their race and sex, as the iean— of their race and sex, as the ioan iii— of their race and sex, as the ioan no in— of their race and sex, as the raf did in their— of their race and sex, as the raf did in their internal enoiie. — raf did in their internal emails. -said,- raf did in their internal emails. said, provide me emails. that said, provide me a list emails. that said, provide me a iiei oi— emails. that said, provide me a iiei oi none— emails. that said, provide me a list of bame and— emails. that said, provide me a list of bame and women oooiieonie— list of bame and women applicants because we don't want none—nnne- applicants because we don't want more,_white malei more, quote, useless white male niioie. — more, quote, useless white male niioie-nnen— more, quote, useless white male pilots. -when the - more, quote, useless white male pilots. when the planes more, quote, useless white male pilotrdropping hen the planes more, quote, useless white male pilotrdropping out the planes more, quote, useless white male pilotrdropping out ofe planes more, quote, useless white male pilotrdropping out of the anes more, quote, useless white male pilotrdropping out of the sky; start dropping out of the sky oni— start dropping out of the sky ono-oeieno- start dropping out of the sky and-defend our- start dropping out of the sky and defend our own and we can't defend our own conning— and we can't defend our own conning-one— and we can't defend our own country, are going to country, what are you going to ion— country, what are you going to ion-going— country, what are you going to ion-going io- country, what are you going to ion-going to son. country, what are you going to do? going to say, oh, do? are you going to say, oh, inoi— do? are you going to say, oh, no maybe— do? are you going to say, oh, no nnoyie ii— do? are you going to say, oh, that maybe it-a- do? are you going to say, oh, that maybe it a mistake to that maybe it was a mistake to oieenininoie— that maybe it was a mistake to discriminate against white men? or discriminate against white men? on oe— discriminate against white men? on on i— discriminate against white men? on on i ieon— discriminate against white men? on on i g... oe— discriminate against white men? or as i fear, are they so deep in-inoi— or as i fear, are they so deep in-that they'll- or as i fear, are they so deep in _that they'll say. in ideology that they'll say not— in ideology that they'll say that—falling- in ideology that they'll say that falling out in ideology that they'll say. that—falling out of that planes are falling out of the that planes are falling out of one ety— that planes are falling out of the sky because— that planes are falling out of the sky because still don't the sky because we still don't nove— the sky because we still don't have _authentic- have enough authentic black voices? _nigel,. have enough authentic black. voices? _nigel, this voices? right. so, nigel, this is problem. we're pushing is the problem. we're pushing out real fighting men in favour of. well, for perceived freedoms, pushing out freedoms, but we're pushing out people who will fight for actual freedoms. mean, freedoms. well, i mean, eenoiniy— freedoms. well, i mean, certainly-got- freedoms. well, i mean, certainly-got this| certainly the ref got this nnong — certainly the ref got this wrong. imean,- certainly the ref got this wrong. mean, i certainly the ref got this wrong. imean,-i the wrong. i mean, the i mean the nnnoee— wrong. i mean, the i mean the phone inoi— wrong. i mean, the i mean the phrase that-don't- wrong. i mean, the i mean the phrase that don't want phrase that we don't want neeeeei— phrase that we don't want useless-pilots,- phrase that we don't want useless pilots, i think useless white pilots, i think tone— useless white pilots, i think tone-nnne— useless white pilots, i think take-white out.- useless white pilots, i think take white out. you don't take the white out. you don't noni— take the white out. you don't want useless— take the white out. you don't want useless pilots. indeed. as einnie— want useless pilots. indeed. as simple-50— want useless pilots. indeed. as simple-soithe- want useless pilots. indeed. as simple so the basis simple as that. so on the basis of simple as that. so on the basis oi-iney— simple as that. so on the basis oi-iney they— simple as that. so on the basis of-they they were - simple as that. so on the basis of they they were trying simple as that. so on the basis of trying:hey they were trying simple as that. so on the basis of trying toy they were trying simple as that. so on the basis of trying to do iey were trying simple as that. so on the basis of trying to do the nere trying simple as that. so on the basis of trying to do the same rying simple as that. so on the basis of trying to do the same thing to trying to do the same thing as to trying to do the same thing

on ine— to trying to do the same thing as the american— to trying to do the same thing as the american universities, if yon— as the american universities, if yon iiae. — as the american universities, if yon iiae. iney— as the american universities, if you like. they were trying to encourage more— you like. they were trying to encourage more ethnic minorities and encourage more ethnic minorities ono into— encourage more ethnic minorities and women into the raf instead , and women into the raf instead, iney— and women into the raf instead, iney none— and women into the raf instead, iney iner ine— and women into the raf instead, they broke the law— and women into the raf instead, they broke the law by discriminating against white oeonie— discriminating against white neooie eo— discriminating against white neooie no not— discriminating against white people so that clearly is wrong. ano— people so that clearly is wrong. and its— people so that clearly is wrong. and its been— people so that clearly is wrong. and it's been ruled wrong. and the and it's been ruled wrong. and one iean— and it's been ruled wrong. and one ioan no— and it's been ruled wrong. and the raf now accepts that that iney— the raf now accepts that that iney nooe— the raf now accepts that that iney nnooe o— the raf now accepts that that they made a mistake on that. so getting— they made a mistake on that. so we're getting somewhere- they made a mistake on that. so we're getting somewhere because we're getting somewhere because we're seeing that these things are a bad thing. affirmative action, positive discrimination is . that's is racial discrimination. that's not we should be not something we should be striving conor, striving for as a nation. conor, are there any circumstances where you would diversity is where you would say diversity is a good thing if it happens by factor of competence? i've got no problem with— factor of competence? i've got no problem with it.— factor of competence? i've got no problem with it. i- i tit?" if i've got no problem with it. i mean, this is tiny— no problem with it. i mean, this is nny yoe— no problem with it. i mean, this is nny yoe ny— no problem with it. i mean, this is why you're my friend, calvin. i is why you're my friend, calvin. i ion-i— is why you're my friend, calvin. i oon-i cone— is why you're my friend, calvin. i don't care about— is why you're my friend, calvin. i don't care about your skin eoonni — i don't care about your skin eoonni i— i don't care about your skin eoonni i cone— i don't care about your skin colour. i care about what you say— colour. i care about what you eoy oni— colour. i care about what you eoy not win— colour. i care about what you say and what you— colour. i care about what you say and what you think. and so if say and what you think. and so ii ny— say and what you think. and so if by happy— say and what you think. and so if by happy accident, you've got eeonnye— if by happy accident, you've got everyone-colour- if by happy accident, you've got everyone colour and men everyone of every colour and men oni— everyone of every colour and men on in— everyone of every colour and men and women in the— everyone of every colour and men and women in the room. but and women in the same room. but ne-neonone-io— and women in the same room. but we're-towards the- and women in the same room. but we're towards the same we're working towards the same gooi— we're working towards the same goal-wholesome,- goal of a wholesome, reconstituted goal of a wholesome,- reconstituted-and reconstituted society and eoneining— reconstituted society and something -to - reconstituted society and something to a healthier something akin to a healthier eonoy inen— something akin to a healthier economy. then yeah, no issue witn— economy. then yeah, no issue win in — economy. then yeah, no issue niin ii. onoy.— economy. then yeah, no issue with it. [jo/£5; i economy. then yeah, no issue with it. i with it. okay. because my argument would be time

argument would be the only time when diverse motty is a good thing in academia would be academic people of academic diversity, people of different opinions different thoughts and opinions coming argue ideas coming together to argue ideas with other rather than with each other rather than start that premise of equal start from that premise of equal opportunity and what we're talking about here is people who don't equal opportunity don't have the equal opportunity . well, was quite an . okay, well, that was quite an engaging debate. thank you very much conor tomlinson much to conor tomlinson and nigel nelson for your time today. more to come on that this afternoon common afternoon on my common sense crusade . we'll talking crusade. next, we'll be talking to anglican church leader, to an anglican church leader, the richard fothergill the reverend richard fothergill , on yorkshire building , on why yorkshire building society closed his bank account. plus a christian teacher who was asked to give his view on marriage as a training course was sacked for was subsequently sacked for so—called hate speech . we have so—called hate speech. we have the teacher himself, ben dubowsky, to tell us more on what really happened. back with you

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onune calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless . online and on your wireless. it's now it's not just high profile people who are getting cancelled by banks . an anglican cancelled by banks. an anglican church leader, the reverend richard fothergill, who had been with the yorkshire building society years, had his society for 17 years, had his savings account closed down with only 14 days notice . richard only 14 days notice. richard says the account was closed after he politely rebutted what he saw as the bank's promotion of transgender ideology. well the reverend richard fothergill joins me now in the studio to tell me all about it. first of all, thank you for joining us. pleasure. nice to be here. i'm sonny— pleasure. nice to be here. i'm sonny io— pleasure. nice to be here. i'm sonny to noon— pleasure. nice to be here. i'm sorry to hear about— pleasure. nice to be here. i'm sorry to hear about what's happened to you. can you give us a summary of what you do? a summary of what did you do? yeah, quickly, obviously, yeah, well, quickly, obviously, i yeah, well, quickly, obviously, i—ion- yeah, well, quickly, obviously, i—ion ii- yeah, well, quickly, obviously, i—ion ii yeonei i had this account for 17 years ono— i had this account for 17 years on i— i had this account for 17 years on i noo— i had this account for 17 years and i had been— i had this account for 17 years and i had been a— i had this account for 17 years and i had been a very good nnovioen— and i had been a very good provider managing money provider of managing my money for provider of managing my money ion inoi— provider of managing my money ion inoi tong— provider of managing my money for that long period. and i just ieione— for that long period. and i just ieione inne— for that long period. and i just before june started , rbs have before june started, rbs have oinoye— before june started, rbs have oinoye teen— before june started, rbs have always been sending stuff out to men— always been sending stuff out to their members— always been sending stuff out to their members saying, give us yonn— their members saying, give us your feedback,— their members saying, give us your feedback, how are we doing? we noni— your feedback, how are we doing? we noni io— your feedback, how are we doing? we want to hear— your feedback, how are we doing? we want to hear from you and into— we want to hear from you and one kind— we want to hear from you and one kind oi— we want to hear from you and this kind of stuff.— we want to hear from you and this kind of stuff. so just ieione— this kind of stuff. so just before june— this kind of stuff. so just before june kicked off, it was

noiieeoiie— before june kicked off, it was noticeable that— before june kicked off, it was noticeable that they were going to noticeable that they were going g_gng., — noticeable that they were going to _ pride, lgbt- noticeable that they were going to pride, lgbt week to push pride, pride, lgbt week ining— to push pride, pride, lgbt week ining ion— to push pride, pride, lgbt week ining ion ine— to push pride, pride, lgbt week thing for the month of june . and thing for the month of june. and so i— thing for the month of june. and so i iiongii— thing for the month of june. and so i thought, well,— thing for the month of june. and so i thought, well, okay, i'll give— so i thought, well, okay, i'll give inen— so i thought, well, okay, i'll give them some— so i thought, well, okay, i'll give them some feedback. and so inoi-e— give them some feedback. and so inoi-e nnoi— give them some feedback. and so that's whatldid._ give them some feedback. and so that's whatldid. i— give them some feedback. and so that's what did. i wrote in that's what i did. i wrote in men— that's what i did. i wrote in inein on— that's what i did. i wrote in their on-portal- their on their portal just a cone— their on their portal just a eonoie oi— their on their portal just a couple of paragraphs. that neoiiy— couple of paragraphs. that really wasn't— couple of paragraphs. that really wasn't a— couple of paragraphs. that really wasn't a very substantial ting,— really wasn't a very substantial ining-eony— really wasn't a very substantial thing,-really two- really wasn't a very substantial thing, really two points. thing, saying really two points. ene— thing, saying really two points. one-inte— thing, saying really two points. one-into o— thing, saying really two points. one-this a real- thing, saying really two points. one this a real isn't one was, is this a real isn't inte— one was, is this a real isn't one o— one was, is this a real isn't one o iii— one was, is this a real isn't this a bit of— one was, is this a real isn't this a bit of a— one was, is this a real isn't this a bit of a waste of your enengieei— this a bit of a waste of your energies? because primarily yone— energies? because primarily yoeinene— energies? because primarily you're there to— energies? because primarily you're there to manage money, not oo— you're there to manage money, not to eoeioi— you're there to manage money, not do social engineering ? and not do social engineering? and inen— not do social engineering? and inen eeeoniiy— not do social engineering? and then secondly, i— not do social engineering? and then secondly, i as a minister in ine— then secondly, i as a minister in the church,— then secondly, i as a minister in the church, have serious einieoi— in the church, have serious ethical problems with the agenda . agni.— ethical problems with the agenda . ieigni. ano— ethical problems with the agenda . right. and that— ethical problems with the agenda . right. and that one particular ining— . right. and that one particular ining ,— . right. and that one particular ining , ono— . right. and that one particular thing , and particularly agenda thing, and particularly agenda to ioeieoiiy— thing, and particularly agenda to basically impacting children and to basically impacting children on not— to basically impacting children and that wanting— to basically impacting children and that wanting to have access to eniionen. — and that wanting to have access to children. and— and that wanting to have access to children. and i— and that wanting to have access to children. and i go actually a tinie— to children. and i go actually a iiiiie tink— to children. and i go actually a little link clip— to children. and i go actually a little link clip to— to children. and i go actually a little link clip to the news nenone— little link clip to the news reports about— little link clip to the news reports about the drag queen eiony— reports about the drag queen eiony nonn— reports about the drag queen eiony nonn ,— reports about the drag queen story hour , which has been going story hour, which has been going on in— story hour, which has been going on in anenieo— story hour, which has been going on in america and— story hour, which has been going on in america and is going on, nnionnnoieiy,— on in america and is going on, unfortunately, a— on in america and is going on, unfortunately, a bit in this eonniny— unfortunately, a bit in this eonniny, go,— unfortunately, a bit in this country, too, just to kind of reference point— country, too, just to kind of reference point that. and i inongni— reference point that. and i thought really— reference point that. and i thought really there are almost eenoiniy— thought really there are almost eenoiniy ine— thought really there are almost certainly the customer relations oenonneni— certainly the customer relations oenonneni-ii- department will bin it and iney-ii— department will bin it and they'll—that. i they'll just ignore that. i inongni— they'll just ignore that. i inongni-ii- they'll just ignore that. i thought if they've they'll just ignore that. i thought-if they've 100 thought maybe if they've got 100

one— thought maybe if they've got 100 oinen—iike- other similar questions like inte— other similar questions like into-inen— other similar questions like this their members, they this from their members, they nigni— this from their members, they nigni ininn— this from their members, they might think, oh,— this from their members, they might think, oh, well, perhaps this from their members, they mig know, k, oh, well, perhaps this from their members, they mig know, perhapszll, perhaps this from their members, they mig know, perhaps there'siaps you know, perhaps there's eoneining— you know, perhaps there's something we something in this perhaps we enonion-i— something in this perhaps wej shouldn't—pride shouldn't push this gay pride einii— shouldn't push this gay pride einii eo— shouldn't push this gay pride einii eo-so— shouldn't push this gay pride stuff so-so i- shouldn't push this gay pride stuff so so i heard stuff so much. so i heard noining— stuff so much. so i heard nothing until— stuff so much. so i heard nothing until last week. and inen— nothing until last week. and inenlgoi— nothing until last week. and thenigotlrather- nothing until last week. and then got rather surprised then i got a rather surprised ieiien— then i got a rather surprised ieiien inon — then i got a rather surprised letter from them saying rather ienenne— letter from them saying rather extreme things— letter from them saying rather extreme things like , the extreme things like, the relationship— extreme things like, the relationship between us is innevoeoiiy— relationship between us is irrevocably broken down. oh neoiiye— irrevocably broken down. oh neoiiye inte— irrevocably broken down. oh really? this is— irrevocably broken down. oh really? this is the first time toe— really? this is the first time he neono— really? this is the first time i've heard about— really? this is the first time i've heard about it on this ieiien— i've heard about it on this ieiien .— i've heard about it on this ieiien . ano— i've heard about it on this letter . and so— i've heard about it on this letter . and so we're going to letter. and so we're going to none— letter. and so we're going to eioee yonn— letter. and so we're going to close your account at end of stony.— close your account at end of eiony. yon-ve— close your account at end of story. you've got— close your account at end of story. you've got 14 days to toke— story. you've got 14 days to ioke ine— story. you've got 14 days to take the money— story. you've got 14 days to take the money out of the oeeonni— take the money out of the account and— take the money out of the account and that's it. so that's onene— account and that's it. so that's nnene ne— account and that's it. so that's where we are now. i: where we are now. scandal. so yon— where we are now. scandal. so you protested very politely that you protested very politely that you indeed and you disagreed. indeed stance and said they could no longer work with your relationship with you. your relationship was broken that's broken beyond repair. that's right. but we know that people that murderers , rapists and that are murderers, rapists and have bank accounts, lots of terrible people have bank accounts. you just happen to have conservative on have conservative views on sexual ? yeah, it seems sexual ethics? yeah, it seems iike— sexual ethics? yeah, it seems iike ii.— sexual ethics? yeah, it seems tie in nigni— sexual ethics? yeah, it seems tie in ieigni — sexual ethics? yeah, it seems like it. right and— sexual ethics? yeah, it seems like it. right and you- sexual ethics? yeah, it seems like it. right and you think that's beyond the pale for a bank? well, i don't think so. i say,— bank? well, i don't think so. i eoy, yon— bank? well, i don't think so. i eoy, yon know,— bank? well, i don't think so. i say, you know, as— , well, i don't think so. i say, you know, as somebody said to me— say, you know, as somebody said to ii— say, you know, as somebody said to ii iney-ne— say, you know, as somebody said to me, if they're going to be not— to me, if they're going to be

inoi-oioni— to me, if they're going to be that-about the- to me, if they're going to be that about the values and that picky about the values and noniovien— that picky about the values and noniovien oi— that picky about the values and worldview of their— that picky about the values and worldview of their customers, of net— worldview of their customers, of inein o— worldview of their customers, of their 3 million— worldview of their customers, of their 3 million customers or nnoieven— their 3 million customers or whatever they _ their 3 million customers or whatever they have, they weren't going— whatever they have, they weren't going to — whatever they have, they weren't going to end — whatever they have, they weren't going to end nn— whatever they have, they weren't going to end up with very many ieii— going to end up with very many ieii. ion— going to end up with very many left. you know,— going to end up with very many left. you know, people are going to ieove— left. you know, people are going to leave because— left. you know, people are going to leave because that's the nnoie— to leave because that's the whole _genuine| whole thing about genuine twenty,— whole thing about genuine diversity,_ofl diversity, the diversity of opinion. — diversity, the diversity of opinion. _have- diversity, the diversity of opinion. have different opinion. we all have different view— opinion. we all have different views-allowed- opinion. we all have different views-allowed to. views and we're allowed to enneee— views and we're allowed to express them.— views and we're allowed to express them. this is britain. so express them. this is britain. so-inoi— express them. this is britain. so-that work?- so how does that work? practically had a two practically you've had a two week period to move your money to i haven't to another bank. well, i haven't moved—ino- to another bank. well, i haven't moved—two week- moved it yet. the two week nenioo— moved it yet. the two week period finishes— moved it yet. the two week period finishes on thursday, i ininn— period finishes on thursday, i ininn-neen— period finishes on thursday, i think-week, so- period finishes on thursday, i think week, so one of the think next week, so one of the neoonlneni— think next week, so one of the reasons iwent and— think next week, so one of the reasons went and talked to reasons i went and talked to ionnnoiieie— reasons i went and talked to journalists times journalists at the times yeeienooy— journalists at the times yesterday was flag this up. i yesterday was to flag this up. i i— yesterday was to flag this up. i i enoooee— yesterday was to flag this up. i mean, i suppose what i would tine—ions- mean, i suppose what i would like—rbs would. mean, i suppose what i wouldi like—rbs would just like really from rbs would just be like really from rbs would just neloooiogy— like really from rbs would just nelonoiogy ono— like really from rbs would just be apology and hope that be an apology and i hope that iney— be an apology and i hope that iney nonion-i— be an apology and i hope that they wouldn't again. they wouldn't do it again. i none— they wouldn't do it again. i nope-iney— they wouldn't do it again. i hope they wouldn't actually hope that they wouldn't actually iniiy— hope that they wouldn't actuallyi iniiy—eiee bully and intimidate anyone else that bully and intimidate anyone else not noe— bully and intimidate anyone else no nos o— bully and intimidate anyone else that has a different opinion to ineneeivee— that has a different opinion to themselves . _ that has a different opinion to themselves . i “i: themselves. because, richard, themselves. because, richard, the thing worry about is that the thing i worry about is that it's natwest metro tide first direct, paypal and the yorkshire building have all been building society have all been kicking people out that don't subscribe lgbtq agenda . subscribe to the lgbtq agenda. okay, i quite get my head okay, i can't quite get my head around a bank around the idea that a bank needs to have a set values needs to have a set of values rather just managing money. rather than just managing money. and have a set of

and if it does have a set of values, are they around values, why are they around sexual yeah, well, i sexual ethics. yeah, well, i teno— sexual ethics. yeah, well, i tend io— sexual ethics. yeah, well, i tend to agree— sexual ethics. yeah, well, i tend to agree with- some; tit; yeah, well, i tend to agree with you. they're not inene — tend to agree with you. they're not inene ion— tend to agree with you. they're not there for social engineering. that's not their onnooee—aignil engineering. that's not their onnnoee—ieigni i purpose in life, is it? right ano— purpose in life, is it? right andlnoticed_ purpose in life, is it? right andlnoticed that- purpose in life, is it? right andlnoticed that they- purpose in life, is it? right . andlnoticed that they -to and i noticed that they said to you they zero tolerance you they have zero tolerance against discrimination. now, did you against you discriminate against anybody? no, at all. nothing anybody? no, not at all. nothing neneonoi—oe- anybody? no, not at all. nothing neneonoi—oe i- personal in it. it was, as i ooy,— personal in it. it was, as i eoy, i— personal in it. it was, as i say, i mentioned the financial eioe— say, i mentioned the financial eioe .— say, i mentioned the financial eioe iyonn— say, i mentioned the financial side .-your-more- side. use your time more constructively, - constructively, managing money. and constructively, managing money. ann—i— constructively, managing money. ano—i nove- constructively, managing money.| and—i have from and then the concern i have from a and then the concern i have from o cnnieiion— and then the concern i have from a christian perspective about ponienioniy— a christian perspective about particularly some obe, some none— particularly some obe, some trans sexuals_ particularly some obe, some trans sexuals wanting to have access to children, a disagreement not disagreement is not discrimination. isn't at discrimination. that isn't at on. — discrimination. that isn't at on. lnnoi— discrimination. that isn't at all. .what do- discrimination. that isn't at- all. .what do-recommend all. so what do you recommend people do? well, it'd be people do? do? well, it'd be one— people do? do? well, it'd be gniie gooo— people do? do? well, it'd be quite goodlthere's- people do? do? well, it'd be quite goodlthere's a- t:t:::t7 ttzzt7 well, it'd be quite good there's a bit of t:t:::t7 jt:::t7 well, it'd be quite good there's a bit of a quite good if there's a bit of a nnen— quite good if there's a bit of a onen noon— quite good if there's a bit of a onen noon to— quite good if there's a bit of a push back to maybe the chairman and push back to maybe the chairman ono ine— push back to maybe the chairman on one oio— push back to maybe the chairman on one no oi— push back to maybe the chairman and the ceo of yorkshire nniioing— and the ceo of yorkshire building society and say , don't building society and say, don't go nonn— building society and say, don't go down inte— building society and say, don't go down this rabbit hole of a nonienion— go down this rabbit hole of a particular worldview or a oonienion— particular worldview or a particular set— particular worldview or a particular set of values because yone— particular set of values because yoe going— particular set of values because you're going alienate a lot you're going to alienate a lot of you're going to alienate a lot 0f— _ you're going to alienate a lot oi— inn- you're going to alienate a lot oi— in going- you're going to alienate a lot oi— in going tol you're going to alienate a lot- of_ i'm going to bring of customers. i'm going to bring my duellist into this, nigel, i can see nodding away behind my duellist into this, nigel, i can sel nodding away behind my duellist into this, nigel, i can sel mentionedig away behind my duellist into this, nigel, i can sel mentioned alliway behind my duellist into this, nigel, i can sel mentioned all the behind my duellist into this, nigel, i can sel mentioned all the otherid when i mentioned all the other banks, they have these sets of values. do you find values. yeah. do you find this problematic? i find a problematic? well, what i find a bit problematic? well, what i find a iii-nnn— problematic? well, what i find a bit-with respect— problematic? well, what i find a bit-with respect to- ti.7’ well, what i find a bit with respect to richard

bit odd with respect to richard is bit odd with respect to richard ie-nnoie — bit odd with respect to richard is-wrote this- bit odd with respect to richard is-wrote this in- bit odd with respect to richard is wrote this in the is that you wrote this in the ini— is that you wrote this in the int nioee— is that you wrote this in the int nioee-i— is that you wrote this in the first place i mean, banks first place that i mean, banks are first place that i mean, banks ion— first place that i mean, banks are for banking— first place that i mean, banks are for banking in and if you nniiing— are for banking in and if you were writing them about their were writing to them about their ionning— banking methods, i would understand— banking methods, i would understand-i- banking methods, i would understand i find equally understand it. i find it equally oio— understand it. i find it equally ooo-enonio- understand it. i find it equally odd-should then. understand it. i find it equally odd should then kick odd the banks should then kick you odd the banks should then kick yon-neeonee— odd the banks should then kick you-because of— odd the banks should then kick you because of that. what you out because of that. what i ion-i— you out because of that. what i oon-i gei— you out because of that. what i oon-i get is— you out because of that. what i oon-i get is on— you out because of that. what i don't get is on the— you out because of that. what i don't get is on the basis you oiieeieo— don't get is on the basis you onieeieo io— don't get is on the basis you objected to their— don't get is on the basis you objected to their transgender noiieies— objected to their transgender noiieiee, nny— objected to their transgender policies, why didn't you simply ieove— policies, why didn't you simply ieove ine— policies, why didn't you simply leave the bank— policies, why didn't you simply leave the bank of— policies, why didn't you simply leave the bank of your own voiiiion— leave the bank of your own voiiiion i— leave the bank of your own volition ? send— leave the bank of your own volition ? send a note to the volition? send a note to the oge— volition? send a note to the oge eoying— volition? send a note to the manager saying why you were going— manager saying why you were going ii.— manager saying why you were doing it. there— manager saying why you were doing it. there may be another of doing it. there may be another oi inen— doing it. there may be another oi inein o— doing it. there may be another of their 3 million— doing it. there may be another of their 3 million customers who ieei— of their 3 million customers who ieei ine— of their 3 million customers who ieei ine oe— of their 3 million customers who feel the same way— of their 3 million customers who feel the same way rather than do it not— feel the same way rather than do it not noy— feel the same way rather than do it that way round.— feel the same way rather than do it that way round. well perhaps noiveiy— it that way round. well perhaps noiveiy-ine— it that way round. well perhaps naively,-the-theyj naively, i thought the fact they kept— naively, i thought the fact they kept oening — naively, i thought the fact they kept asking the— naively, i thought the fact they kept asking the question how are non— kept asking the question how are non oe— kept asking the question how are how are we doing? �*fvt�*tzi; kept asking the question how are how are we doing? in; how are we doing? we want to neon— how are we doing? we want to hear you, our members. if hear from you, our members. if you some feedback on you give them some feedback on a particular as focus on particular area, as in focus on banking, don't it turn into a social engineering organisation? well, connor, they were. they didn't want to hear about that. so basically they weren't being genuine asking question. genuine in asking this question. connor have, we know that connor we have, we know that neonie— connor we have, we know that neooie tine — connor we have, we know that people like nick— connor we have, we know that people like nick griffin were eoneeiieo— people like nick griffin were cancelled-banks- people like nick griffin were cancelled banks years cancelled by their banks years ogo. —noe- ago. tommy robinson was eoneeiieo— ago. tommy robinson was cancelled-bank- ago. tommy robinson was cancelled bank years cancelled by his bank years ago, but cancelled by his bank years ago, int-neonie— cancelled by his bank years ago, int-neonie-io- cancelled by his bank years ago, but - people _to the l but now people further to the enie— but now people further to the enie tine— but now people further to the centre like laurence fox and

inte— centre like laurence fox and one week— centre like laurence fox and this week nigel— centre like laurence fox and this week nigel farage has been eoneeiieo— this week nigel farage has been eoneeiieo ny— this week nigel farage has been cancelled by his— this week nigel farage has been cancelled by his bank , but cancelled by his bank, but neooie— cancelled by his bank, but people-further- cancelled by his bank, but people further the people even further to the enie — people even further to the centre -that - people even further to the centre -that in - people even further to the centre that in the centre than that in the trigonometry - centre than that in the trigonometry guys who pretty trigonometry guys who are pretty nnen— trigonometry guys who are pretty nnen-oooe— trigonometry guys who are pretty much-dads have- trigonometry guys who are pretty much dads have been much centrist dads have been eoneeiieo— much centrist dads have been cancelled-banks. - cancelled by their banks. is inte— cancelled by their banks. is into-oi— cancelled by their banks. is this-of-came. cancelled by their banks. isi this-of-came for cancelled by their banks. is- this-of-came for the this a case of they came for the eoeioiieie— this a case of they came for the eoeioiieie-i— this a case of they came for the socialists-i-nothing. socialists and i said nothing ieeonee— socialists and i said nothing becauseiwasn't_ socialists and i said nothing because wasn't socialist. because i wasn't a socialist. i inni— because i wasn't a socialist. i think-inni— because i wasn't a socialist. i think-that your- because i wasn't a socialist. i think that your critique think nigel, that your critique of why you just go of well, why didn't you just go to another bank? perhaps you don't know what's going on, but it's little naive because it's a little naive because pretty every bank, pretty much every bank, including building including yorkshire building society, including barclays, all the ones you've listed, kelvin, are signed up to environmental social it's social governance scores. it's a corporate credit system corporate social credit system whereby certain whereby if you hit certain tenets woke activism, if you tenets on woke activism, if you allow your employees, you pay for their transitions at work, you have a diverse board. if you engagein you have a diverse board. if you engage in climate activism, you get funding from hedge so get funding from hedge funds. so what is they will rate what happens is they will rate their customers their their customers on their compliance as well as compliance with esg as well as the banks. and so you unfortunately, reverend, were a liability for their score. and so they you out to prevent so they cut you out to prevent them stopping, getting the subsidies . and only subsidies. and this will only get worse. unfortunately, get worse. and unfortunately, nigel, this channel nigel, by being on this channel because that because of the advertisers that have this channel, you have boycotted this channel, you would next line as well.

would be next in line as well. how do you feel about that ? how do you feel about that? nigel i hope my bank nigel well, i hope my bank ooeen-i— nigel well, i hope my bank doesn't—are. nigel well, i hope my banki doesn't—are you doesn't cancel me. are you genuinely scared about that? no, i'm not. no, no, i think vein— no, i'm not. no, no, i think wen, i— no, i'm not. no, no, i think wen, i inen— no, i'm not. no, no, i think well, i just think- no, i'm not. no, no, i think well, i just think it's nniikeiy— well, i just think it's unlikely. i- well, i just think it's unlikely. i don't agree with none— unlikely. i don't agree with banks cancelling people for noiiiieoi— banks cancelling people for political reasons. i mean , nigel political reasons. i mean, nigel nonoge— political reasons. i mean, nigel farage obviously— political reasons. i mean, nigel farage obviously got to the notion— farage obviously got to the notion oi— farage obviously got to the bottom of what— farage obviously got to the bottom of what happened to him , bottom of what happened to him, so i— bottom of what happened to him, so i ion-i— bottom of what happened to him, so i oon-i ognee— bottom of what happened to him, so i don't agree with what the ion— so i don't agree with what the ion oio— so i don't agree with what the ink no to— so i don't agree with what the bank did to you.— so i don't agree with what the bank did to you. i— so i don't agree with what the bank did to you. i just find it oio— bank did to you. i just find it on nnon— bank did to you. i just find it on not yon— bank did to you. i just find it odd what you did to them if you. if odd what you did to them if you. ii yon— odd what you did to them if you. ii yon eee— odd what you did to them if you. ii yon nnon— odd what you did to them if you. if you see what i— odd what you did to them if you. if you see what i mean. “tit; if you see what i mean. yes. but if if you see what i mean. yes. but ii iney— if you see what i mean. yes. but ii iney oon— if you see what i mean. yes. but ii they on o— if you see what i mean. yes. but if they ask a question, it's perfectly if you ask a question to write back. but they didn't ask to write back. but they didn't on o— to write back. but they didn't ask a question— to write back. but they didn't ask a question about- i but they didn't ask a question about about inonegenoen— ask a question about about transgender rights, did they? but transgender rights, did they? not no— transgender rights, did they? not no yon— transgender rights, did they? but do you see— transgender rights, did they? but do you see-least- but do you see at least the scale nigel, in that scale of this, nigel, in that nigel farage has been to seven banks and open a new banks to try and open a new account and no one have account and no one will have him. laurence fox has been trying an account for trying to open an account for his if not his for party months, if not years this point, and no one years at this point, and no one will have him. and we are cut out of civil society just because banks have suddenly found based found political opinions based on scoring that conor on the esg scoring that conor just if don't just discussed. and if we don't subscribe we are no subscribe to that, we are no longer of society. your

longer members of society. your question was similar to question was very similar to what said when she what kay burley said when she said, don't you just if said, why don't you just if nigel been turned nigel farage has been turned down by seven banks, does that not something about not tell you something about your your politics? your thinking and your politics? the we should the idea being that we should change and change change our thinking and change our fall in line? our politics to fall in line? well, that's my point. that ionning— well, that's my point. that ionning-ie- well, that's my point. that banking be about banking shouldn't be about noiiiiee— banking shouldn't be about politics._about| politics. it should be about iooning— politics. it should be about looking-money.l politics. it should be about. looking-money. and looking after your money. and the looking after your money. and one-neoeon— looking after your money. and the-reason that- looking after your money. and the-reason that a- looking after your money. and the reason that a bank the only reason that a bank enonio— the only reason that a bank should someone's account should cancel someone's account is should cancel someone's account ie—eoneiningl is because there's something, some financial impropriety or eneneeieo— some financial impropriety or. eneneeieo—on suspected impropriety going on, enen— suspected impropriety going on, such-laundering- suspected impropriety going on, such laundering or such as money laundering or nnoieven— such as money laundering or whatever-idea— such as money laundering or whatever-idea-do. such as money laundering or whatever idea do it on whatever the idea they do it on noiiiieoi— whatever the idea they do it on political opinion— whatever the idea they do it on political opinion quite political opinion is quite eieoniy— political opinion is quitei clearly,_wrong political opinion is quite. clearly,_wrong . clearly, absolutely wrong. ieveneno— clearly, absolutely wrong. reverend richard,- clearly, absolutely wrong. reverend richard, do- clearly, absolutely wrong. reverend richard, do you think there's bigger going there's something bigger going on here? we know about esg on here? we know about the esg scoring. we know about the corporatism. is there corporatism. but is there something darker going on here? well, the agenda, there is well, i on the agenda, there is for well, i on the agenda, there is ion enne— well, i on the agenda, there is ion go..— well, i on the agenda, there is for sure for, i— well, i on the agenda, there is for sure for, i suppose, banking ono— for sure for, i suppose, banking ono-egneeze- for sure for, i suppose, banking and-squeeze out- for sure for, i suppose, banking and squeeze out people and trying to squeeze out people nno— and trying to squeeze out people nno-ine— and trying to squeeze out people nno-ine iii.— and trying to squeeze out people who-the bill. yes,- who don't fit the bill. yes, eenoiniy.— who don't fit the bill. yes, certainly. obviously, certainly. i mean, obviously, stonenoii— certainly. i mean, obviously,| stonewall—of stonewall have done a lot of ionnying— stonewall have done a lot of ionnying io— stonewall have done a lot of lobbying to - sure - stonewall have done a lot of lobbying to sure that as lobbying to make sure that as non— lobbying to make sure that as many corporations and companies as many corporations and companies oe-ioe— many corporations and companies oe-ioe-iine- many corporations and companies oe-ioe-iine on- as possible toe the line on inein— as possible toe the line on their-position- as possible toe the line on their position and as possible toe the line on- their-position and we're their ethical position and we're seeing— their ethical position and we're seeing ine— their ethical position and we're seeing the bad— their ethical position and we're seeing the bad fruit of that now of seeing the bad fruit of that now oi inte— seeing the bad fruit of that now of this intolerance— seeing the bad fruit of that now of this intolerance that's inene— of this intolerance that's inene. ano— of this intolerance that's there. and so,- of this intolerance that's there. and so, yes, there is eoneining— there. and so, yes, there is

something more- there. and so, yes, there is something more behind all of into.— something more behind all of into. inene-e— something more behind all of this. there's a— something more behind all of this. there's a cultural shift inoi-e— this. there's a cultural shift inoi-e going— this. there's a cultural shift that's going on.— this. there's a cultural shift that's going on. and actually, i ininn— that's going on. and actually, i ininn i— that's going on. and actually, i think i think— that's going on. and actually, i think i think a— that's going on. and actually, i think i think a lot— that's going on. and actually, i think i think a lot of us are getting— think i think a lot of us are getting to— think i think a lot of us are getting to-point- think i think a lot of us are getting to point where we're getting to the point where we're going— getting to the point where we're ganglan— getting to the point where we're goingleoy no— getting to the point where we're going say, no, enough going to say, no, enough of not.— going to say, no, enough of not. tie— going to say, no, enough of that. it's not— going to say, no, enough of that. it's not for— going to say, no, enough of that. it's not for you in these ineineee— that. it's not for you in these business organisations to oeinoiiy— business organisations to - oeinoiiy—ono business organisations to - actually—and tell actually impose upon us and tell us actually impose upon us and tell no nnon— actually impose upon us and tell no not ne— actually impose upon us and tell us what we should— actually impose upon us and tell us what we should be thinking ono— us what we should be thinking on going,— us what we should be thinking and doing, what— us what we should be thinking and doing, what our worldview vien— and doing, what our worldview vien-ie. — and doing, what our worldview vien-ie. non- and doing, what our worldview view be. you know, the view should be. you know, the oio— view should be. you know, the oio-go— view should be. you know, the oio-go none,- view should be. you know, the oio-go none, go- view should be. you know, the old go woke, go broke is old phrase go woke, go broke is neoiiy— old phrase go woke, go broke is neoiiy nonnening— old phrase go woke, go broke is really happening in america , really happening in america, ion-i— really happening in america, ien-i iii— really happening in america, isn't it? look— really happening in america, isn't it? look at— really happening in america, isn't it? look at look at bud nigni— isn't it? look at look at bud iigni ono— isn't it? look at look at bud light and things, know? and light and things, you know? and inoi-e— light and things, you know? and that's-trouble— light and things, you know? and that's trouble people are that's the trouble people are ieo— that's the trouble people are ieoloi— that's the trouble people are fed .of actually- that's the trouble people are fed of actually being fed up of actually being bombarded— fed up of actually being- bombarded-moralising bombarded with this moralising inon— bombarded with this moralising non-neon— bombarded with this moralising non-neon — bombarded with this moralising from _yeah no - bombarded with this moralising from _yeah no more. bombarded with this moralising- from _yeah no more bullying from them. yeah no more bullying from them. yeah no more bullying from thank you very from the banks. thank you very much. the reverend much. that was the reverend richard fothergill. thank you for let's see for your time today. let's see what my duellists make of this. we've gone that part we've gone past that part already. you. anyway that already. thank you. anyway that was tomlinson, host was connor tomlinson, the host of eaters podcast, and of lotus eaters podcast, and nigel , senior political nigel nelson, senior political commentator here gb news. plenty more to come this evening on my common sense crusade. next, we'll be joined by ben dubofsky , teacher who was , a christian teacher who was sacked giving his views on sacked for giving his views on marriage after being what marriage after being asked what they it's ridiculous. they were. it's ridiculous. we'll plus, stick we'll see him soon. plus, stick around for levant from

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tv, radio and online gb news. nniioin-e— tv, radio and online gb news. britain's news— tv, radio and online gb news. britain's news .— tv, radio and online gb news. britain's news. channel tv, radio and online gb news. britain's news . channel i britain's news. channel welcome noon— britain's news. channel welcome noon in— britain's news. channel welcome noon to one— britain's news. channel welcome back to the common sense crusade . with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless. now, a christian teacher who was asked to give his views on marriage at a training course was subsequently sacked for so—called hate speech. ben dubofsky was a teacher at the bishop llandaff church in wales school and was promoted prompted rather, to share his views dunng rather, to share his views during a diversity and inclusion seminar. however despite being told it was a safe space and that he should feel free to speak freely, he was told the next morning that he was being dismissed . well, ben dubofsky dismissed. well, ben dubofsky joins me to discuss this now. ben, you were part of a depher training group. i mean, they

shouldn't be in schools in the first place. but while you were in this training session, you were asked the question of what your were marriage. i your views were on marriage. i mean, generally the seminar this this mean, generally the seminar this into-oion— mean, generally the seminar this this-about diversity- this talk was about diversity ono—so- this talk was about diversityi ono—so inene and inclusion, right? so there tote— and inclusion, right? so there ioie oi— and inclusion, right? so there were lots of issues that been inoi— were lots of issues that been no nnee— were lots of issues that been that were discussed during that meeting.— that were discussed during that meeting. ano— that were discussed during that meeting. and there was a gneeiion— meeting. and there was a question and— meeting. and there was a question and answer session at the question and answer session at one eno— question and answer session at one end .— question and answer session at one end . ano— question and answer session at the end . and there were a few the end. and there were a few ininge— the end. and there were a few ininge inoi— the end. and there were a few things that prompted me to ask not— things that prompted me to ask not gneeiion. — things that prompted me to ask that question. and i just you nnon— that question. and i just you know, ii— that question. and i just you know, it no— that question. and i just you know, it was a— that question. and i just you know, it was a genuine question, but know, it was a genuine question, in i— know, it was a genuine question, but i illustrated— know, it was a genuine question, but i illustrated it— know, it was a genuine question, but i illustrated it with my view— but i illustrated it with my views , which— but i illustrated it with my views , which was the beginning views, which was the beginning of views, which was the beginning oi ny— views, which was the beginning oi nny eno— views, which was the beginning oi nny eno oi— views, which was the beginning of my end at the— views, which was the beginning of my end at the school. votive of my end at the school. what yonn— of my end at the school. what yon view— of my end at the school. what was your view ? my- of my end at the school. votive i . 7' my question was was your view? my question was non— was your view? my question was non ooee— was your view? my question was non ooee ine— was your view? my question was how does the speaker— i . 7 my question was how does the speaker define eony— how does the speaker define eonny .— how does the speaker define eonny , eony— how does the speaker define sorry , sorry, discrimination? sorry, sorry, discrimination? neeeone— sorry, sorry, discrimination? neeeone ii— sorry, sorry, discrimination? because it seemed to me that a evnneeeing— because it seemed to me that a mere expressing of— because it seemed to me that a mere expressing of one's views conto— mere expressing of one's views eonio ie— mere expressing of one's views could be interpreted as discrimination according to what she discrimination according to what one no— discrimination according to what one eoying— discrimination according to what one eoying .— discrimination according to what she was saying . so i that was she was saying. so i that was ine— she was saying. so i that was one gneeiion— she was saying. so i that was one gneeiion .— she was saying. so i that was the question . i— she was saying. so i that was the question . i said, for the question. i said, for evonnie— the question. i said, for example, would some of my views be example, would some of my views ie conto— example, would some of my views ie eonio ie— example, would some of my views be could be viewed,— example, would some of my views be could be viewed, could be negonoeo— be could be viewed, could be negonoeo oe— be could be viewed, could be regarded as discrimination? i mentioned— regarded as discrimination? i mentioned three— regarded as discrimination? i mentioned three things that that i mentioned three things that that i ieiieve— mentioned three things that that

i ieiieve o— mentioned three things that that i believe a true— mentioned three things that that i believe a true marriage is between— i believe a true marriage is between o— i believe a true marriage is between a man— i believe a true marriage is between a man and a woman. yes. inni— between a man and a woman. yes. inoi oion-e— between a man and a woman. yes. that that's what— between a man and a woman. yes. that that's what marriage- between a man and a woman. yes. that that's what marriage is- between a man and a woman. yes. that that's what marriage is . - that that's what marriage is. yes. yes. by the way , as you yes. yes. by the way, as you eon,— yes. yes. by the way, as you and, tie— yes. yes. by the way, as you and, tie on— yes. yes. by the way, as you said, it's an anglican school, cnnieiion— said, it's an anglican school, christian school,— said, it's an anglican school, christian school, nominally at ieoei— christian school, nominally at ieoei. so— christian school, nominally at ieoei. so yon— christian school, nominally at least. so you know, it shouldn't be ennonieing— least. so you know, it shouldn't be surprising an— least. so you know, it shouldn't be surprising an opinion like not— be surprising an opinion like not io— be surprising an opinion like not to ie— be surprising an opinion like that to be expressed there. the eono— that to be expressed there. the eono ining— that to be expressed there. the second thing was— that to be expressed there. the second thing was that human life begin— second thing was that human life iegine oi— second thing was that human life begins at conception and should begins at conception and should be nnoieeieo— begins at conception and should be protected from _ begins at conception and should be protected from that moment. in be protected from that moment. in my— be protected from that moment. in nny opinion— be protected from that moment. in nny opinion .— be protected from that moment. in my opinion , because i was in my opinion, because i was toning— in my opinion, because i was talking about— in my opinion, because i was talking about my— in my opinion, because i was talking about my beliefs. yes ano— talking about my beliefs. yes and ine— talking about my beliefs. yes and the third— talking about my beliefs. yes and the third one was, i mean , and the third one was, i mean, it no— and the third one was, i mean, it o— and the third one was, i mean, it o no— and the third one was, i mean, it was a no brainer._ and the third one was, i mean, it was a no brainer. actually, noi— it was a no brainer. actually, not even— it was a no brainer. actually, not even necessarily to do with cnnieiioniiy, — not even necessarily to do with christianity, that _ not even necessarily to do with christianity, that i— not even necessarily to do with christianity, that i am critical of christianity, that i am critical oi-oeneeie— christianity, that i am critical of-aspectsllslam.. of some aspects of islam. okay. so of some aspects of islam. okay. so on— of some aspects of islam. okay. so oii onnee— of some aspects of islam. okay. so all three of— of some aspects of islam. okay. so all three of those— of some aspects of islam. okay. so all three of those views- of some aspects of islam. okay. so all three of those views are christian views and have always been pretty mainstream. yeah. i mean, are even been pretty mainstream. yeah. i mean,-are even generally. mean, they are even generally nnoineeonni— mean, they are even generally mainstream,-say,. mean, they are even generally- mainstream,-say, among mainstream, you could say, among nnne— mainstream, you could say, among nniie so— mainstream, you could say, among nniie so onynoy— mainstream, you could say, among nniie so onynoy .— mainstream, you could say, among brits. so anyway , i— mainstream, you could say, among brits. so anyway , i got an brits. so anyway, i got an inieneeiing— brits. so anyway, i got an interesting answer that holding inoee— interesting answer that holding inoee vien— interesting answer that holding those views is— interesting answer that holding those views is perfectly fine, ini— those views is perfectly fine, but expressing— those views is perfectly fine, but expressing them might be a gotten,— but expressing them might be a ononien, nigni— but expressing them might be a problem, might be discrimination. so basically i ioni— discrimination. so basically i ioio io— discrimination. so basically i was told to go— discrimination. so basically i was told to go underground. you nnon— was told to go underground. you know, yon— was told to go underground. you know, yon eon— was told to go underground. you know, you can hold— was told to go underground. you know, you can hold them, but inen— know, you can hold them, but inst-noe— know, you can hold them, but inst-noe-noyl just which was, by the way, neneoieo— just which was, by the way, neoeoieo ny— just which was, by the way, repeated by headmaster the repeated by the headmaster the nevi— repeated by the headmaster the nevi-ne— repeated by the headmaster the nevi-ne no- repeated by the headmaster the next he was kicking me next day when he was kicking me out next day when he was kicking me oni oi— next day when he was kicking me oni oi ine— next day when he was kicking me out of the school— next day when he was kicking me out of the school and i

understand— out of the school and i understand that he actually enoneo— understand that he actually. enoneo—in understand that he actually- enoneo—in shared some of your views in our conversation. the— shared some of your views in our conversation. the next day, ieeeone— conversation. the next day, ieeoneenoe-- conversation. the next day, because .was the - conversation. the next day, because was the last item because that was the last item inning—ooy- during that training day afternoon— during that training day- afternoon-period, the afternoon so second period, the nevi— afternoon so second period, the nevi ooy.— afternoon so second period, the nevi ooy. so— afternoon so second period, the next day. so kind— afternoon so second period, the next day. so kind of nearly immediately— next day. so kind of nearly immediately afterwards, he eoiieo— immediately afterwards, he eoiieo ne— immediately afterwards, he called me to— immediately afterwards, he called me to his office and he eon,— called me to his office and he an, nen— called me to his office and he said, ben, what— called me to his office and he said, ben, what you said yeeienooy— said, ben, what you said yesterday offended some people . yesterday offended some people. some— yesterday offended some people. some neooie— yesterday offended some people. some people apparently emailed him some people apparently emailed nin ono— some people apparently emailed nin ono eoio— some people apparently emailed him and said they— some people apparently emailed him and said they are afraid to eoon— him and said they are afraid to eion o— him and said they are afraid to start a conversation with me. ano— start a conversation with me. and ne— start a conversation with me. and we oe— start a conversation with me. and we are talking about ieoenene— and we are talking about teachers, not— and we are talking about teachers, not pupils. you know , teachers, not pupils. you know, ono— teachers, not pupils. you know, on onnoneniiy— teachers, not pupils. you know, and apparently he— teachers, not pupils. you know, and apparently he admitted he oieeneeeo— and apparently he admitted he discussed with— and apparently he admitted he discussed with his deputy eoening— discussed with his deputy eoening ne— discussed with his deputy sacking me there. and then right one— sacking me there. and then right oiien nnoi— sacking me there. and then right after that meeting— sacking me there. and then right after that meeting or at least getting— after that meeting or at least geiiing nio— after that meeting or at least getting no oi— after that meeting or at least getting rid of me, deciding to getting rid of me, deciding to get nio— getting rid of me, deciding to get no oi— getting rid of me, deciding to get no oi ne— getting rid of me, deciding to get rid of me, then they must nove— get rid of me, then they must have remembered it was a safe noe— have remembered it was a safe enoee-ooee— have remembered it was a safe space. _does that- have remembered it was a safe space. does that mean? so space. what does that mean? so nnen—eon ne- space. what does that mean? sol when—mean, he must when he realised i mean, he must nove— when he realised i mean, he must nove-eiinen— when he realised i mean, he must nove-eiinen i— when he realised i mean, he must have either i offended have thought either i offended his have thought either i offended no new— have thought either i offended his views-well— have thought either i offended his views-well or- have thought either i offended his views well or his idea his views as well or his idea oioni— his views as well or his idea oioni-o— his views as well or his idea about-a teacher- his views as well or his idea about a teacher or teacher about what a teacher or teacher oeeieioni— about what a teacher or teacher oeeieioni. i— about what a teacher or teacher assistant. i worked— about what a teacher or teacher assistant. i worked as assistant. i worked there as a ieoeien— assistant. i worked there as a teacher, assistant— assistant. i worked there as a teacher, assistant can't believe in on— teacher, assistant can't believe in on ne— teacher, assistant can't believe in on ne no— teacher, assistant can't believe in or he was afraid— teacher, assistant can't believe in or he was afraid of the woke inigooe. — in or he was afraid of the woke inigooe. i— in or he was afraid of the woke brigade. i think— in or he was afraid of the woke brigade. i think it— in or he was afraid of the woke brigade. i think it was both. i ininn— brigade. i think it was both. i ininn ne. — brigade. i think it was both. i think he. i'll— brigade. i think it was both. i think he. i'll come- brigade. i think it was both. i think he. ll i i think he. i'll come back to you, but i want to bring my dualist in on this because, nigel, it

seems to me that people misunderstood what the word discrimination means. i've just looked the dictionary looked up the dictionary definition. it's unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories people, different categories of people, right? it's not holding differences not differences of opinion. it's not disagreeing. acting on that disagreeing. it's acting on that disagreement. that's disagreement. right. that's what discrimination is. and both in ben's in in reverend ben's case and in in reverend richard's case, it seems to be that there's a confusion there about that means. yeah, the about what that means. yeah, the only really about what that means. yeah, the oniy-neoiiy nene- about what that means. yeah, the only-really here is- only question really here is nnoi— only question really here is not nnoi— only question really here is that what your— only question really here is that what your headmaster said, nonn— that what your headmaster said, non noiiey— that what your headmaster said, non noiiey .— that what your headmaster said, mark bailey , was— that what your headmaster said, mark bailey , was that mark bailey, was that you oeinoiiy— mark bailey, was that you actually dismissed for refusing to actually dismissed for refusing io-niin— actually dismissed for refusing io-niin ine — actually dismissed for refusing to _with the law - actually dismissed for refusing to with the law and to comply with the law and eenooi— to comply with the law and school policies— to comply with the law and school policies .— to comply with the law and school policies . is the school policies. is the enggeeiion— school policies. is the suggestion there, which is the gneeiion— suggestion there, which is the gneeiion i— suggestion there, which is the question i would— suggestion there, which is the question i would like to ask you is question i would like to ask you to nonto— question i would like to ask you to none yon— question i would like to ask you is would you teach— question i would like to ask you is would you teach children in nnoi— is would you teach children in that marriage— is would you teach children in that marriage can— is would you teach children in that marriage can only be between— that marriage can only be between o— that marriage can only be between a man- that marriage can only be between a man and a woman? ninet— between a man and a woman? ninei oi— between a man and a woman? ninei oi oin— between a man and a woman? ninei oi gt. ii— between a man and a woman? first of all, it wasn't— between a man and a woman? first of all, it wasn't my- between a man and a woman? first of all, it wasn't my job. i'll just add one more detail. when he when he told me, bannau you offended some people. i don't want you to express those views at the school. i said, fine. then i said, fine. that's not job. i mean, not not my job. i mean, not a teacher. i was a teacher, assistant. it wasn't part of my brief. i hadn't been doing this. i may have mentioned my views were during lessons. were relevant during lessons. yes. fine. i said,

yes. so i said, fine. i said, it's a bit surprising that in a christian i'm i'm banned christian school i'm i'm banned from mentioning basic christian views, but it's fine. but i added they are still my views and i'm likely to use them express them in my private life. for example, i'm involved in a in a couple of pro—life campaigns and this is where the problem started. so formally, he didn't sack me for for the what i said during that meeting in a safe space, although he was tempted , he admitted. for my tempted, he admitted. but for my refusal, not to commit a potential crime , you know, in potential crime, you know, in the future, a crime , you know, the future, a crime, you know, against against the political correctness. so it's not just note— correctness. so it's not just none none— correctness. so it's not just hate crime, it's— ii so it's not just hate crime, it's future crime nnoi— hate crime, it's future crime inoi — hate crime, it's future crime that we're. yeah,— hate crime, it's future crime that we're. yeah, there was no ioeie — that we're. yeah, there was no facts. connor— that we're. yeah, there was no facts. connor should it be the nnoi— facts. connor should it be the case that schools— facts. connor should it be the case that schools say, look, nene— case that schools say, look, gag, nene— case that schools say, look, here, here is— case that schools say, look, here, here is one- case that schools say, look, here, here is one set of views anoint— here, here is one set of views lgbtq+ ideology,— here, here is one set of views lgbtq+ ideology, whatever. nee-e— lgbtq+ ideology, whatever. here's another— lgbtq+ ideology, whatever. here's another set of views cnnieiion— here's another set of views christian values— here's another set of views christian values make your minds up. christian values make your minds nn. on— christian values make your minds no. on enonio— christian values make your minds no. on enonio ii— christian values make your minds up. or should it be— christian values make your minds up. or should it be a case that noon— up. or should it be a case that noin oi— up. or should it be a case that both of those— up. or should it be a case that both of those views should be nennoveo— both of those views should be removed from _ both of those views should be removed from schools and or a eenooi— removed from schools and or a school should— removed from schools and or a school should subscribe to one set school should subscribe to one eei ono— school should subscribe to one eei ono none— school should subscribe to one set and make it— school should subscribe to one set and make it clear think set and make it clear i think ine— set and make it clear i think one-enonio— set and make it clear i think- the-should-subscribe the school should only subscribe

to the school should only subscribe io-aieoinieiy.- to one set. absolutely. particularly because the other doctrine lmnop , the ever doctrine lgbtq+ lmnop, the ever expanding acronym, is fundamentally untrue because men cannot become women thought cannot become women by thought and i wanted to pick and vice versa. i wanted to pick up on very specific point up on one very specific point because a very because you're a very well—meaning think because you're a very wellthezaning think because you're a very wellthe reason think because you're a very wellthe reason you're think that the reason you're expressing confusion to expressing confusion as to why you would well, how could you would say, well, how could this be discrimination if i'm just it out loud, if it's just saying it out loud, if it's a privately held view, these people inquisition people are the inquisition for a new utopia no one is new utopia where no one is offended. so means that offended. and so that means that by verbalising by you even verbalising judgement about something drawing, or drawing, drawing a boundary or distinction are distinction, you are discriminating their discriminating because in their heads limiting their heads it's limiting their freedom, their suddenly becoming heads it's limiting their freedoof their suddenly becoming heads it's limiting their freedoof anzir suddenly becoming heads it's limiting their freedoof an alternateily becoming heads it's limiting their freedoof an alternate mode oming heads it's limiting their freedoof an alternate mode of ing aware of an alternate mode of living means that you're oppressing stopping oppressing them, you're stopping them true them from being their true selves. they feel totally selves. and so they feel totally vindicated to remove from vindicated to remove you from any institution or polite society because they're society just because they're offended, because you're stopping being they stopping them being who they really sure but, you really are inside. sure but, you know, inene-e— really are inside. sure but, you know, there's so— really are inside. sure but, you know, there's so much- itinitegt vititi; t:ti iti; but, you know, there's so much irony itiniteeg vititi; t:ti. iti; but, you know, there's so much irony and oiennoiiy— know, there's so much irony and absurdity-this— know, there's so much irony and absurdity-this .— know, there's so much irony and absurdity-this . let- know, there's so much irony and absurdity this . let me absurdity in all this. let me enone— absurdity in all this. let me enone niin— absurdity in all this. let me share with you— absurdity in all this. let me share with you one insight that i share with you one insight that i noo— share with you one insight that i not nnen— share with you one insight that i not nnen i— share with you one insight that i had when i was— share with you one insight that i had when i was being escorted out i had when i was being escorted oni oi— i had when i was being escorted oni oi ine— i had when i was being escorted out of the school— i had when i was being escorted out of the school by the headmaster— out of the school by the headmaster there. it struck me inte— headmaster there. it struck me into ie— headmaster there. it struck me into ie-noei— headmaster there. it struck me this is most orwellian

this is the most orwellian eiinoiion— this is the most orwellianj situation—in this is the most orwellian- situation_in my situation i've ever been in my iiie. — situation i've ever been in my tie-i— situation i've ever been in my life.-i remember- situation i've ever been in my life. i remember the last life. and i remember the last ten— life. and i remember the last ten yeone— life. and i remember the last ten years communism in poland ten years of communism in poland niin—nnene— ten years of communism in poland niin—nnene yon- ten years of communism in poland with _where you had - ten years of communism in poland with where you had to with censorship where you had to do with censorship where you had to oo—von— with censorship where you had to oo—von noo- with censorship where you had to oo—von not to. do similar things. you had to intend— do similar things. you had to oneieno one.— do similar things. you had to pretend and, you— do similar things. you had to pretend and, you know, formally nnoi— pretend and, you know, formally inoi yon— pretend and, you know, formally inoi yon ognee— pretend and, you know, formally that you agree with something. ano— that you agree with something. and inen— that you agree with something. and then privately you would iongn.— and then privately you would iongn. iongn— and then privately you would iongn. iongn ii— and then privately you would laugh, laugh it off. so it onnen— laugh, laugh it off. so it einnen ne— laugh, laugh it off. so it struck me, you know, once i nennenneni in— struck me, you know, once i remember in poland when i was in nign— remember in poland when i was in nign eeiooi— remember in poland when i was in nign eenooi. i— remember in poland when i was in high school, i organised an eveni— high school, i organised an event ono— high school, i organised an event on i— high school, i organised an event and i smuggled a few comments about the soviet union oenonneing— comments about the soviet union oenonneing ine— comments about the soviet union denouncing the soviet union, and i denouncing the soviet union, and i neoniy— denouncing the soviet union, and i neoniy no— denouncing the soviet union, and i nearly was kicked— denouncing the soviet union, and i nearly was kicked out of the eenooi— i nearly was kicked out of the school nearly.— i nearly was kicked out of the school nearly. and i thought nnen— school nearly. and i thought nnen i— school nearly. and i thought nnen i no— school nearly. and i thought when i was waiting outside the inning— when i was waiting outside the iniioing ion— when i was waiting outside the iniioing ion ny— when i was waiting outside the building for my stuff to be ieieneo. — building for my stuff to be fetched. and— building for my stuff to be fetched. and here we are in an oiiegeoiy— fetched. and here we are in an oiiegeoiy inee— fetched. and here we are in an allegedly free country in a noninoiiy— allegedly free country in a nominally christian school . nominally christian school. war,— nominally christian school. neii. oiien— nominally christian school. well, after a— nominally christian school. well, after a meeting about a oivenee— well, after a meeting about a oivenee eiiy— well, after a meeting about a diverse city and— well, after a meeting about a diverse city and inclusion inning— diverse city and inclusion during which— diverse city and inclusion during which i- diverse city and inclusion during which i expressed three ioeie— during which i expressed three basic mainstream views , basic mainstream views, ioeieoiiy— basic mainstream views, basically not— basic mainstream views, basically not even christian and i'm basically not even christian and in being— basically not even christian and i'm being kicked— basically not even christian and i'm being kicked out of the eenooi— i'm being kicked out of the eenooi . — i'm being kicked out of the school . but— i'm being kicked out of the school . but the- i'm being kicked out of the school . : i'm being kicked out of the school. : i school. but the head teacher says it's a safeguarding issue for the children. yes, exactly. and for the children. yes, exactly. ano nine— for the children. yes, exactly. ano nine iney— for the children. yes, exactly. and plus, they said- i t: itif yes, exactly. and plus, they said that because i and plus, they said that because i-cnnieiion— and plus, they said that because i-christian views,- and plus, they said that because i christian views, i'm not i hold christian views, i'm not eoie— i hold christian views, i'm not eoie io— i hold christian views, i'm not eoie to non— i hold christian views, i'm not safe to work with— i hold christian views, i'm not safe to work with kids. you nnon— safe to work with kids. you nnonlnoe— safe to work with kids. you know, iwas _there safe to work with kids. you-

know,iwas-there and know, i was standing there and i inongni— know, i was standing there and i inongni-nneei.— know, i was standing there and i inongni-nneei. i- know, i was standing there and i thought upset. i was thought i was upset. i was neoiiy— thought i was upset. i was neoiiy noeei— thought i was upset. i was really upset-i- thought i was upset. i was really upset. i also thought really upset. but i also thought inte— really upset. but i also thought into ie— really upset. but i also thought into to o— really upset. but i also thought this is a classic— really upset. but i also thought this is a classic you know, this is a classic. well, a christian ennen— is a classic. well, a christian enneii in— is a classic. well, a christian orwell in britain.— is a classic. well, a christian orwell in britain. i couldn't nove— orwell in britain. i couldn't nove nooe— orwell in britain. i couldn't have made it— orwell in britain. i couldn't have made it up- orwell in britain. i couldn't have made it up in communist noiono. — have made it up in communist noiono. nigel— have made it up in communist poland. nigel, it— have made it up in communist poland. a tgti;. e poland. nigel, it seems that disagreement is classed as hate and classed as and words are classed as violence. is this the problem? have lost principles? have we lost first principles? have we lost first principles? have of. i'm have we lost the idea of. i'm sorry, just just based- have we lost the idea of. i'm sorry, just just based on- sorry, just just based on the non— sorry, just just based on the eiony nnoi— sorry, just just based on the story that we've— sorry, just just based on the story that we've just heard, i eiiii— story that we've just heard, i eiiii ion-i— story that we've just heard, i still don't quite— story that we've just heard, i still don't quite get the your yonn— still don't quite get the your your dismissed— still don't quite get the your your dismissed because in the eveni— your dismissed because in the event nnoi— your dismissed because in the event that.was_ your dismissed because in the event that was over event that it was purely over ine— event that it was purely over one view— event that it was purely over one yon — event that it was purely over the views you expressed earlier onivoieiy— the views you expressed earlier nnivoieiy-inon — the views you expressed earlier privately _from the - privately away from the eiiiinen— privately away from the children, then you certainly nove— children, then you certainly nove o— children, then you certainly have a case for— children, then you certainly have a case for an unfair oienieeoi— have a case for an unfair oienieeoi .— have a case for an unfair dismissal . absolutely. if on the dismissal. absolutely. if on the onnen— dismissal. absolutely. if on the one nono— dismissal. absolutely. if on the other hand, we— dismissal. absolutely. if on the other hand, we are going you yon— other hand, we are going you were you intending teach were you were intending to teach eniionen— were you were intending to teach eniionen nnoi— were you were intending to teach children that marriage is just nenneen— children that marriage is just ieineen o— children that marriage is just between a man— children that marriage is just between a man and a woman . it is between a man and a woman. it is inen— between a man and a woman. it is inen i— between a man and a woman. it is then i understand— between a man and a woman. it is then i understand the dismissal . snne. — then i understand the dismissal . snne. nno— then i understand the dismissal . sure. but still,— then i understand the dismissal . sure. but still, you- . sure. but still, you shouldn't. let's break that donn— shouldn't. let's break that down, because _ : " e let's break that down, because even if that was the down, because even if that was one eoee— down, because even if that was one in— down, because even if that was one in o— down, because even if that was the case in a christian school, you— the case in a christian school, yon eon— the case in a christian school, yon ieoen— the case in a christian school, you can teach christian doctrine ono— you can teach christian doctrine ono nnoi— you can teach christian doctrine one not ie— you can teach christian doctrine and that is the— you can teach christian doctrine and that is the marriage is nenneen— and that is the marriage is between-man- and that is the marriage is between man and one and that is the marriage is- between-man and one woman. between one man and one woman. yes.— between one man and one woman. veg-noo— between one man and one woman. nee-noi oe— between one man and one woman. nee-noi on ion— between one man and one woman. nee-noi on ion oen— between one man and one woman. yes,-not as far act because- yes, but not as far act because it but but it's not it is. no, but. but but it's not a fact. it is christian doctrine. you can teach that

inene— doctrine. you can teach that inene oe— t:titti.s you can teach that there are alternative views and oiiieneni— there are alternative views and different different different people have different opinione — different people have different opinions. _legal- different people have different. opinions. _legal position opinions. no, the legal position in this country is that marriage is not between a man and is not just between a man and a woman, but in a christian church. it is. can i add a fun ioeie— church. it is. can i add a fun ioeie-o— church. it is. can i add a fun ioeii-o iegoi— church. it is. can i add a fun fact?-a legal school.- i ”if." e can i add a fun fact? a legal school. it is fact? it's a legal school. it is a fact? it's a legal school. it is ocnnieiion— fact? it's a legal school. it is a christian church. it doesn't noiien. — a christian church. it doesn't matter. - have _ a christian church. it doesn't matter. have children from a christian church. it doesn't mattefaiths have children from a christian church. it doesn't mattefaiths there, :hildren from a christian church. it doesn't mattefaiths there, or dren from a christian church. it doesn't mattefaiths there, or you from a christian church. it doesn't mattefaiths there, or you cann other faiths there, or you can ieoen—nno - other faiths there, or you can teach _who have teach other people who have -nove- teach other people who have views. have children views. you may have children niin— views. you may have children viii-onoy.— views. you may have children with okay, talking with with. okay, we're talking over each other— with with. okay, we're talking over each other now. okay fun ioei. — over each other now. okay fun ioei. inin— over each other now. okay fun ioei. into is— over each other now. okay fun fact. this is the— over each other now. okay fun fact. this is the name- over each other now. okay fun fact. " fact. this is the name of the school the bishop of school is the bishop of llandaff, i love the llandaff, by the way. i love the kids. got on well most kids. i got on well with most pupils. i thought the staff were amazing. amazing teachers. it's just was just this wokeism that was really so much. and even really ruining so much. and even pupils kind of send signals sometimes to teachers or teaching assistants or some of them said openly, sir, we've had enough of this. this is a joke about some issues. but anyway, the bishop of llandaff is a bishop at the moment, a woman . bishop at the moment, a woman. there's a website that she's got a website or the diocese has a website. don't promote her websites. okay no, but i was there and they they say and they do the same. they say the same as i said, marriage a gift

as i said, marriage is a gift from god between a man and a woman. so, you know, this is the schools and that's moral schools and that's the moral supervision the school is an supervision for the school is an anglican school. if you don't like it, another school like it, go to another school mark steyn so give people a choice. yes please. which camera, please? this okay. camera, please? this one. okay. please to ben dembowski. just please go to ben dembowski. just as could see on on the as you could see on the on the strap straps, strip below the sky. pwc com. i'm launching a fundraising for or to pay for the legal fees for the legal case with with the lawyer that offered support . but paul offered support. but paul diamond, we are going to go big way after the school and after this wokeism that surrounds the school in some institutions. also we are planning a big campaign to stop discrimination against christians in this country . i think it's country. i think it's ridiculous. it's gotten to a stage where it's a joke. we just i can't take any more of this. thank you. thank you. that was nen— thank you. thank you. that was nen ennneo— thank you. thank you. that was ben dubovsky. thank— thank you. that was ben dubovsky. thank you very nnen. — ben dubovsky. thank you very nnen. non— ben dubovsky. thank you very much. you have— ben dubovsky. thank you very much. you have my full support. i'm much. you have my full support. in oinoio— much. you have my full support. in oinoio i— much. you have my full support. i'm afraid i don't— much. you have my full support. i'm afraid i don't have time to neoo— i'm afraid i don't have time to not yonn— i'm afraid i don't have time to read your comments, but i really nonieo— read your comments, but i really nonieo io— read your comments, but i really nonieo to ten— read your comments, but i really wanted to let ben— read your comments, but i really wanted to let ben get that

eonooign— wanted to let ben get that eonooign oni— wanted to let ben get that campaign out there so you can ennneon— campaign out there so you can enooon-ii— campaign out there so you can support-if-like. - campaign out there so you can support if like. and support him if you'd like. and i'd support him if you'd like. and tot-io— support him if you'd like. and i-o-io inonn— support him if you'd like. and i'd-to thank my- support him if you'd like. and i'd to thank my duellists i'd like to thank my duellists ioioy— i'd like to thank my duellists today. tomlinson, host of today. conor tomlinson, host of the today. conor tomlinson, host of one—iooni the lotus eaters podcast. look nnoi— the lotus eaters podcast. look inoi-neii. — the lotus eaters podcast. look that-well. and - the lotus eaters podcast. look that well. and nigel that up as well. and nigel aeieon— that up as well. and nigel nelson, political nelson, senior political commentator- nelson, senior political commentator gb nelson, senior political- commentator-gb news. commentator here at gb news. coming— commentator here at gb news. conning nn— commentator here at gb news. conning no in— commentator here at gb news. coming up in the— commentator here at gb news. coming up in the part of coming up in the final part of my coming up in the final part of nyee-e— coming up in the final part of my sense crusade, this my common sense crusade, this neen— my common sense crusade, this ween-ie— my common sense crusade, this week,-be talking- my common sense crusade, this week,-be talking to- week, we'll be talking to a ionnnoiiei— week, we'll be talking to a journalist and— week, we'll be talking to a journalist and publisher from aenei— journalist and publisher from rebel—levantl journalist and publisher from. rebel—levant on rebel news. it's ezra levant on his rebel news. it's ezra levant on nie-on— rebel news. it's ezra levant on his-on australia's- rebel news. it's ezra levant on his on australia's newest his take on australia's newest nu— his take on australia's newest iii—ine- his take on australia's newesti bill—the growing bill on combating the growing neno— bill on combating the growing trend—so—calledj misinformation and so—called disinformation— misinformation and so—called disinformation on digital oioiionne— disinformation on digital nioiionne .— disinformation on digital platforms . they're breaking down platforms. they're breaking down free-essentially- platforms. they're breaking down free-essentially .- platforms. they're breaking down free essentially . back free speech, essentially. back niin— free speech, essentially. back viii-.—

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accounts. what— speak out. banks are closing accounts. what started with nick eniiiin— accounts. what started with nick eniiiin ono— accounts. what started with nick griffin and tommy— accounts. what started with nick griffin and tommy robinson is noooening— griffin and tommy robinson is now happening to laurence fox. inigononeiny— now happening to laurence fox. trigonometry into— now happening to laurence fox. trigonometry into nigel farage. snonio— trigonometry into nigel farage. should banks— trigonometry into nigel farage. should banks be— trigonometry into nigel farage. should banks be allowed to eeeeniioiiy— should banks be allowed to essentially lock— should banks be allowed to essentially lock people out of eivii— essentially lock people out of eivii eoeieiy— essentially lock people out of civil society motty for noiiiieoi— civil society motty for political views ? well, the political views? well, the neenne— political views? well, the results are _ political views? well, the results are in— political views? well, the results are in and 92.4% of you say— results are in and 92.4% of you eoy ii-e— results are in and 92.4% of you say it's politically— results are in and 92.4% of you say it's politically correct, nniie— say it's politically correct, nniie noto— say it's politically correct, while 7.6% of— say it's politically correct, while 7.6% of you say it's iynonny. — while 7.6% of you say it's iynonny. tn— while 7.6% of you say it's tyranny. i'm not. well, okay. in— tyranny. i'm not. well, okay. in noi— tyranny. i'm not. well, okay. in not ene— tyranny. i'm not. well, okay. i'm not sure there's questions. ine— i'm not sure there's questions. ine onenene— i'm not sure there's questions. the answers were _ i'm not sure there's questions. the answers were very clear. i oio— the answers were very clear. i no oni— the answers were very clear. i no nni one— the answers were very clear. i on oni io— the answers were very clear. i did put one to say— the answers were very clear. i did put one to say yes and one to eoy— did put one to say yes and one to eoy — did put one to say yes and one to eoy ini— did put one to say yes and one to say no. but it— did put one to say yes and one to say no. but it doesn't it ooeen-i— to say no. but it doesn't it doesn't matter.— to say no. but it doesn't it doesn't matter. i think we're all doesn't matter. i think we're oii on— doesn't matter. i think we're oii on ine— doesn't matter. i think we're all on the same— doesn't matter. i think we're all on the same page with that inonn— all on the same page with that inonn yon— all on the same page with that one. thank you for— all on the same page with that one. thank you for sending in yonn— one. thank you for sending in yonn viewe— one. thank you for sending in your views. now,— one. thank you for sending in your views. now, in australia, ine— your views. now, in australia, the government— your views. now, in australia, the government has proposed a new-connoi— the government has proposed a new-combat the- the government has proposed a new combat the growing new bill to combat the growing neno— new bill to combat the growing ineno—eoii- trend of what they call misinformation and disinformation digital disinformation on digital oioiionne— platforms. tech giants could ioee—nonnoe- platforms. tech giants could. face—poundslfines face billions of pounds in fines for face billions of pounds in fines ion ioiiing— face billions of pounds in fines for failing-tackle— for failing to tackle disinformation an proposed disinformation an under proposed aneinoiion— disinformation an under proposed aneinoiionl— disinformation an under proposed australian-, which- disinformation an under proposed australian , which a australian laws, which a noienoog— australian laws, which a watchdog on _ australian laws, which a watchdog on monday said would ining— watchdog on monday said would bring—standards- watchdog on monday said would bring _ standards to l watchdog on monday said would bring standards to the bring mandatory standards to the tinie— bring mandatory standards to the little regulated— bring mandatory standards to the little regulated sector . but little regulated sector. but nony— little regulated sector. but nony oe— little regulated sector. but many are concerned with what is nnoi— many are concerned with what is not ii— many are concerned with what is not it conto— many are concerned with what is what it could mean— many are concerned with what is what it could mean for freedom of what it could mean for freedom oi eneeen— what it could mean for freedom of speech, which— what it could mean for freedom of speech, which now who else conto— of speech, which now who else eonio oen— of speech, which now who else eonio oen io— of speech, which now who else could ask to talk— of speech, which now who else could ask to talk about this notice— could ask to talk about this notice none— could ask to talk about this topic? none other than rebel

.ievoni— topic? none other than rebel news. levant ezra, i'm so news. ezra levant ezra, i'm so gioo— news. ezra levant ezra, i'm so gioo yone— news. ezra levant ezra, i'm so gioo yoe in— news. ezra levant ezra, i'm so glad you're in the— news. ezra levant ezra, i'm so glad you're in the uk and to join— glad you're in the uk and to on me— glad you're in the uk and to on neline— glad you're in the uk and to join me the studio. thank you join me in the studio. thank you veny— join me in the studio. thank you very-welli— join me in the studio. thank you veny-vieii. tie- join me in the studio. thank you very-well, it's a- join me in the studio. thank youi very-well, it's a pleasure very much. well, it's a pleasure to be here. and freedom of speech fundamental speech is the fundamental freedom, strategic freedom, the strategic freedom upon which the other upon which all the other freedoms absolutely. freedoms are based. absolutely. and i saw you, i and the last time i saw you, i think both quizzing think we were both quizzing greta that 20 greta thunberg for that 20 minute that had minute q&a session that we had with her. she had nothing to say nonieoeven — with her. she had nothing to say whatsoever. bucha— she had nothing to say whatsoever. bucha however, i saw her whatsoever. bucha however, i saw in ono— whatsoever. bucha however, i saw in one ene— whatsoever. bucha however, i saw in one one neno— whatsoever. bucha however, i saw her and she went to— whatsoever. bucha however, i saw her and she went to ukraine to give— her and she went to ukraine to give-einoiegie— her and she went to ukraine to give strategic advice give some strategic advice to resident— give some strategic advice to nneeioeni—>- give some strategic advice toi president_> based give some strategic advice to- president_> based on president zelenskyy > based on nnoi— president zelenskyy > based on nnoi-ii-e— president zelenskyy > based on what it's all kicking what i mean, it's all kicking off where you are in canada, the c—18 bill, understand it, c—18 bill, as i understand it, is the government trying to tax facebook and google specifically just having links ? like it's just for having links? like it's not like they're taking news stories and republishing them. the internet is based on links. companies love links. that's the internet is based on links. companies love links . that's why companies love links. that's why they advertise on facebook and google. they post things on facebook and google. justin trudeau commanded that. facebook, instagram, google to pay facebook, instagram, google to pay money to any news organisation that they linked to without limit . and those without limit. and those companies said, look, we're happy to chip in, but we're not

going to pay for links. and so yesterday they turned off the news. they literally turned off the in canada, means the news in canada, which means that no longer that google are no longer sharing to canadian news sharing links to canadian news sites. yeah, it's hurting the sites. yeah, so it's hurting the news companies, it's hurting news companies, but it's hurting canadians freedom canadians access to freedom of the well. this is the press as well. this is oieoinieiy— the press as well. this is absolutely bonkers. - this is absolutely bonkers. and iikeniee— absolutely bonkers. and likewise, you've absolutely bonkers. and- likewise,-you've looked likewise, you say you've looked at likewise, you say you've looked oi-noiieiee— likewise, you say you've looked at-policieleanada,- at the policies in canada, uk, ineionoi— at the policies in canada, uk, intone-tis— at the policies in canada, uk, ineionolns .— at the policies in canada, uk, ireland, us , germany, new ireland, the us, germany, new zeoiono— ireland, the us, germany, new zealand-australia- ireland, the us, germany, new zealand australia . the has zealand and australia. the has the zealand and australia. the has one nonet— zealand and australia. the has the worst protocol— zealand and australia. the has the worst protocol in terms and it's the worst protocol in terms and tie noo— the worst protocol in terms and no not ne— the worst protocol in terms and it's bad news everywhere . it's bad news everywhere. but let it's bad news everywhere. but iei nne— it's bad news everywhere. but iei nne insi— it's bad news everywhere. but let me just talk— it's bad news everywhere. but let me just talk a— it's bad news everywhere. but let me just talk a little bit about australia. i'm just looking my notes here. it's looking at my notes here. it's called the misinformation and disinformation bill. but of course, one man's misinformation is another man's opinion. we have a clash of ideas and the viewer gets to choose, not the government . here's some of the government. here's some of the crazy stuff . this is what they crazy stuff. this is what they call online harm , not real call online harm, not real violence . but this is one of the violence. but this is one of the harms. you're not even going to believe this. if a post sting does harm to the australian environment, does economic or financial harm to australians. by financial harm to australians. by the way, there's special exemptions for the mainstream media if you are an official

approved government source, you're exempt from this misinformation and disinformation law. so let's put this into practicality— disinformation law. so let's put this into practicality for- this into practicality for evonnie— this into practicality for example, another pandemic, eo—eoiieo— example, another pandemic, so—called pandemic. example, another pandemic, so—called pandemic . yes, the so—called pandemic. yes, the noineneonni— so—called pandemic. yes, the mainstream media can say nnoieven— mainstream media can say whatever they _ mainstream media can say whatever they like, but smaller oniieie— whatever they like, but smaller oniieie ono— whatever they like, but smaller outlets and individuals will be censored. that's— outlets and individuals will be censored. i g and censored. that's right. and inene-e— censored. that's right. and there's-religious- censored. tg and there's religious exemption there's no religious exemption ennen— there's no religious exemption eiinenlnnoi— there's no religious exemption either..what a— there's no religious exemption either. what a pastor says is either. so what a pastor says is if either. so what a pastor says is ii nie— either. so what a pastor says is ii nie ennen— either. so what a pastor says is if his church service is eineoneo— if his church service is streamed on- if his church service is streamed on facebook or youtube, as streamed on facebook or youtube, oe nony— streamed on facebook or youtube, as many are, that— streamed on facebook or youtube, as many are, that is— streamed on facebook or youtube, as many are, that is covered by inte— as many are, that is covered by one ion.— as many are, that is covered by this law. there's— as many are, that is covered by this law. there's no— as many are, that is covered by this law. there's no religious exemption— this law. there's no religious evenoiion .— this law. there's no religious exemption , which means that they exemption, which means that they conto— exemption, which means that they eonio eoy— exemption, which means that they eonio eoy. ii— exemption, which means that they eonio eoy. ii i— exemption, which means that they could say, if i put— exemption, which means that they could say, if i put my sermon oniine— could say, if i put my sermon oniine. iney— could say, if i put my sermon online, they could say my sermon is online, they could say my sermon ie nonnini— online, they could say my sermon ie nonnini io— online, they could say my sermon is harmful to the— online, they could say my sermon is harmful to the lgbt community ieeeone— is harmful to the lgbt community ieeeone tn— is harmful to the lgbt community because i'm preaching that nonnioge— because i'm preaching that marriage _one. because i'm preaching that. marriage _one man because i'm preaching that- marriage _one man and marriage is between one man and one-ineneione- marriage is between one man and one-therefore, they- marriage is between one man andi one _therefore, they could one woman. therefore, they could take yeah. and we've take me down. yeah. and we've seen laws take me down. yeah. and we've tone in— take me down. yeah. and we've seen laws in scotland,- seen laws in scotland, in ineiono— seen laws in scotland, in ireland being— seen laws in scotland, in ireland being proposed that say if ireland being proposed that say ii yon— ireland being proposed that say ii yon nove— ireland being proposed that say ii yon nove o— ireland being proposed that say if you have a meme like a funny, gninny— if you have a meme like a funny, gninny tone— if you have a meme like a funny, gninny joke .— if you have a meme like a funny, gninny joke . even— if you have a meme like a funny, quirky joke , even if— if you have a meme like a funny, quirky joke , even if it's in quirky joke, even if it's in yonn— quirky joke, even if it's in yonn enoi— quirky joke, even if it's in your email or— quirky joke, even if it's in your email or if- quirky joke, even if it's in your email or if it's in an old eoeioi— your email or if it's in an old social media— your email or if it's in an old social media post, if it could cause offence,— social media post, if it could cause offence, likely to in the ininne— cause offence, likely to in the ininne io— cause offence, likely to in the future to cause— cause offence, likely to in the future to cause offence that nnoi— future to cause offence that not ie— future to cause offence that that is, that— future to cause offence that that is, that in— future to cause offence that that is, that in itself is

ogoinei— that is, that in itself is against the— that is, that in itself is against the law. no one has to oeinoiiy— against the law. no one has to oeinoiiy ie— against the law. no one has to actually be offended . it just actually be offended. it just conto— actually be offended. it just could future— actually be offended. it just could future tense be an offence to someone's dignity. what does nnoi— to someone's dignity. what does not — to someone's dignity. what does that mean? so— to someone's dignity. what does that mean? so it's— to someone's dignity. what does that mean? i ’si“ that mean? so it's worse than something being offensive, it's something being offensive, it's something potentially being offensive. yeah. a future crime tine—ninoniiy- offensive. yeah. a future crimei like _ minority report, like that movie minority report, nnene— like that movie minority report, nnne—eoy- like that movie minority report, where_say, well,- like that movie minority report, where say, well, you where they would say, well, you oion-i— where they would say, well, you oion-i oo — where they would say, well, you didn't do anything— where they would say, well, you didn't do anything yet, but we neoiiy— didn't do anything yet, but we neoiiy-yon-ne— didn't do anything yet, but we really you're going to. really know you're going to. not— really know you're going to. not ie— really know you're going to. not to veny— really know you're going to. that is very worse than that is very that's worse than onenon— that is very that's worse than orwellian-are- orwellian. and these are noooening— orwellian. and these are happening across the happening all across the anglosphere,_ happening all across the anglosphere, including here in the anglosphere, including here in one tin.— anglosphere, including here in one nn ano— anglosphere, including here in the uk. and this— anglosphere, including here in the uk. and this is the crucible of the uk. and this is the crucible oi inee— the uk. and this is the crucible of free speech.— the uk. and this is the crucible of free speech. and i hate this. i of free speech. and i hate this. i spoke— of free speech. and i hate this. i enone io— of free speech. and i hate this. i spoke to o— of free speech. and i hate this. i spoke to a teacher called ben nno— i spoke to a teacher called ben nno nno— i spoke to a teacher called ben nno nno goi— i spoke to a teacher called ben who who got fired— i spoke to a teacher called ben who who got fired because they eoio — who who got fired because they eoio oi— who who got fired because they eoio oi eone— who who got fired because they said at some point— who who got fired because they said at some point in the future he said at some point in the future ne conto— said at some point in the future he could teach— said at some point in the future he could teach something that conto— he could teach something that could offend— he could teach something that could offend people and look at non— could offend people and look at non-enionee— could offend people and look at how-enforce that- could offend people and look at how enforce that against how they enforce that against nin— how they enforce that against nin-ogoinei— how they enforce that against. him.-against_you him. and against the pastor you just him. and against the pastor you inei-on. — him. and against the pastor you inei-on. nonto— him. and against the pastor you just on. would they do that just had on. would they do that ogoinei— just had on. would they do that. ogoinei—noyie against a muslim preacher? maybe one-iney-ne— against a muslim preacher? maybe one-iney-ne going- against a muslim preacher? maybe one they're going after one day, but they're going after cnnieiione— one day, but they're going after christians-canada- christians first in canada inning— christians first in canada onning ine— christians first in canada during the lockdowns, they ioiieo — during the lockdowns, they jailed christian pastors for keeping— jailed christian pastors for keeping their— jailed christian pastors for keeping their churches open . no keeping their churches open. no onnen— keeping their churches open. no one ioiin. — keeping their churches open. no one ioiin. i— keeping their churches open. no other faith. i really feel like iney-ne— other faith. i really feel like iney-ne o— other faith. i really feel like they're a combination of the toenoonne— they're a combination of the lockdowns and _ they're a combination of the lockdowns and the intolerance for conservative _ lockdowns and the intolerance

for conservative or christian vien— for conservative or christian ie— for conservative or christian views is spreading across the angio— views is spreading across the angio eonee— views is spreading across the anglo sphere. and this is not a iioeeo— anglo sphere. and this is not a iioeeo vien— anglo sphere. and this is not a iioeeovien — anglo sphere. and this is not a biased view. you're- anglo sphere. and this is not a biased view. /ti:t. iti; biased view. you're not a christian yourself? no, i'm jewish, christian yourself? no, i'm ienien. ini— christian yourself? no, i'm ienien. int i— 7 no, i'm jewish, but i understand maybe ieeeone— jewish, but i understand maybe ieeeone tn— jewish, but i understand maybe because i'm jewish that you need nnoi— because i'm jewish that you need not ineeoon — because i'm jewish that you need that freedom of— because i'm jewish that you need that freedom of speech because niin— that freedom of speech because niinlyon— that freedom of speech because niinlyon eon— that freedom of speech because with .you can fight— that freedom of speech because with you can fight for your with it you can fight for your onnen— with it you can fight for your oiien-ano- with it you can fight for your other-and 1—1- with it you can fight for your other-and 1—1 of. with it you can fight for your. other-and 1—1 of the other freedoms. and 1—1 of the ini— other freedoms. and 1—1 of the int ininge— other freedoms. and 1—1 of the first things-do— other freedoms. and 1—1 of the first things-do in- other freedoms. and 1—1 of the first things do in tyranny first things they do in tyranny is first things they do in tyranny ie-onoy— first things they do in tyranny ie-onoy yonn— first things they do in tyranny is away your right talk is take away your right to talk noon.— is take away your right to talk noon-nee- is take away your right to talk noon-nee ie- is take away your right to talk back.-use is, is- is take away your right to talk back.-use is, is an. back. and what use is, is an eieeiion— back. and what use is, is an eieeiion ii— back. and what use is, is an election if there's no free oneeon— election if there's no free speech, what— election if there's no free speech, what use is freedom of oeeoeioiione— speech, what use is freedom of association? if— speech, what use is freedom of association? if there's no free oneeon— association? if there's no free eneeen ii— association? if there's no free eneeen it ie— association? if there's no free speech, it is the— association? if there's no free speech, it is the freedom of movement. you _ speech, it is the freedom of movement. you others are based . movement. you others are based. inoi-e— movement. you others are based. inoi-e nigni.— movement. you others are based. inoi-e nigni. tite— movement. you others are based. that's right. it's almost— movement. you others are based. that's right. it's almost as- movement. you others are based. that's right. it's almost as if- that's right. it's almost as if they want get rid of they want to get rid of democracy somehow. well, you're fighting it. check fighting back. i love it. check out levant's democracy fund out ezra levant's democracy fund as over there at rebel as well over there at rebel news. thank you so much for joining me today. each week joining me today. now, each week on we like to end with on the show, we like to end with our closing prayer. and this week the collect for week we'll hear the collect for the trinity the fourth sunday after trinity read from saint read by walter from saint anthony's for boys . oh, anthony's school for boys. oh, god . the protector of all- god . the protector of all that god. the protector of all that onneo— god. the protector of all that innei in— god. the protector of all that trust in thee— god. the protector of all that trust in thee without whom? niinoni. — trust in thee without whom? without. without whom? nothing is without. without whom? nothing to einong. — without. without whom? nothing is strong. nothing— without. without whom? nothing is strong. nothing is holy. increase and— is strong. nothing is holy.

increase and multiply upon us. thy— increase and multiply upon us. iny neney— increase and multiply upon us. iny neney nnoi— increase and multiply upon us. thy mercy that thou being our nnien— thy mercy that thou being our nnien ono— thy mercy that thou being our ruler and guide— thy mercy that thou being our ruler and guide .— thy mercy that thou being our ruler and guide . we may so pass ruler and guide. we may so pass nnoi— ruler and guide. we may so pass inoi innongn— ruler and guide. we may so pass that through two _ ruler and guide. we may so pass that through two things temporal that through two things temporal inoi ne— that through two things temporal that we finally— that through two things temporal that we finally lose, not the ininge— that we finally lose, not the things eternal. _ that we finally lose, not the things eternal. grant this 0 neoveniy— things eternal. grant this 0 heavenly father for jesus, for teen— heavenly father for jesus, for ieene cnniei— heavenly father for jesus, for jesus christ sake,— heavenly father for jesus, for jesus christ sake, our lord. amen— jesus christ sake, our lord. anen .— jesus christ sake, our lord. anen . — jesus christ sake, our lord. anen . ano— jesus christ sake, our lord. amen . and also- jesus christ sake, our lord. amen . ' “t: jesus christ sake, our lord. amen . jesus christ sake, our lord.- amen . and also a brief prayer amen. and also a brief prayer for father duncan hagan, who was ordained to the diaconate today, and father andrew bailey and father stephen miller, who will be ordained to the priesthood tomorrow. thank you so much for watching common sense. watching calvin's common sense. with me, the reverend calvin robinson. you have robinson. god bless you. have a good bye bye . hello there. good show. bye bye. hello there. neieone— good show. bye bye. hello there. neieone io— good show. bye bye. hello there. welcome to your— good show. bye bye. hello there. welcome to your gb— g: fiéjti; hello there. welcome to your gb news weather ioneeoei— welcome to your gb news weather ioneeoei inon — welcome to your gb news weather forecast from the _ welcome to your gb news weather forecast from the met office. in — forecast from the met office. in cnoig— forecast from the met office. i'm craig snell.— forecast from the met office. i'm craig snell. well, looking oneoo— i'm craig snell. well, looking oneoo io— i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to sunday,— i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to sunday, it's a bit of a nonin— ahead to sunday, it's a bit of a nonn eonon— ahead to sunday, it's a bit of a north south split— ahead to sunday, it's a bit of a north south split across the eonniny— north south split across the eonniny. nony— north south split across the country. many areas country. many southern areas enonio— country. many southern areas enonio ie— country. many southern areas enonio toe-ony- country. many southern areas should be dry with some should be largely dry with some good— should be largely dry with some goon—nni- good spells of sunshine. but across—remains. across the north it remains nneiiy— across the north it remains pretty changeable it's all pretty changeable and it's all eonn— pretty changeable and it's all down-areallow- down to this area of low pressure, which is not really going— pressure, which is not really going io— pressure, which is not really going to go— pressure, which is not really going to go veny— pressure, which is not really going to go very far over the next— going to go very far over the nevi-toye— going to go very far over the next - days. - note - going to go very far over the next days. note that going to go very far over the- next - days. - note that the next few days. and note that the iigniiy— next few days. and note that the iigniiy noeneo— next few days. and note that the tightly packed isobars indicating— indicating it's going to be a ioiniy— indicating it's going to be a fairly blustery— indicating it's going to be a fairly blustery hours. so as

fairly blustery 24 hours. so as we fairly blustery 24 hours. so as ne-soinnooy.— fairly blustery 24 hours. so as we-saturday, a- fairly blustery 24 hours. so as we saturday, a fairly quiet we end saturday, a fairly quiet eno— we end saturday, a fairly quiet end—across many. end to the day across many eoninenn— end to the day across many southern areas,— end to the day across many southern areas, but across the nonn— southern areas, but across the nonn-enonene- southern areas, but across the north, showers moving in north, further showers moving in on o ioiniy— north, further showers moving in on a fairly keen— north, further showers moving in on a fairly keen wind. some neneieieni— on a fairly keen wind. some persistent rain— on a fairly keen wind. some persistent rain continuing across shetland and orkney. and nene— across shetland and orkney. and nene oeinoiiy— across shetland and orkney. and here actually the _ across shetland and orkney. and here actually the winds will einenginen — here actually the winds will strengthen further night strengthen further as the night goee— strengthen further as the night goee — strengthen further as the night goes on. certainly the risk of goiee— goes on. certainly the risk of some gales as— goes on. certainly the risk of some gales as we start sunday nonning. — some gales as we start sunday nonning. .ion— some gales as we start sunday morning. .for all- some gales as we start sunday morning. .for all of- some gales as we start sunday morning. for all of us, morning. but for all of us, temperatures— morning. but for all of us, temperatures generally staying in—so- temperatures generally staying in—so snnooyl in double figures. so sunday eione— in double figures. so sunday eione oii— in double figures. so sunday starts off with— in double figures. so sunday starts off with plenty of ennenine— starts off with plenty of sunshine across the south and it it's saturday night and this isi the saturday—and it's saturday night and this is. the saturday—and it sunshine across the south and it neoiiy— sunshine across the south and it neoiiy-inoi— sunshine across the south and it neoiiy-inoi noy- sunshine across the south and it really-that way for- neoiiy— sunshine across the south and it neoiiy-inoi— sunshine across the south and it neoiiy-inoi noy- sunshine across the south and it really-that way for- sunshine across the south and it really that way for most really remains that way for most of really remains that way for most sunshine across the south and it really that way for most really remains that way for most of really remains that way for most oi-ooy— really remains that way for most oi-ooy .— really remains that way for most oi-ooy . some— really remains that way for most of-day . some fair- really remains that way for most of day . some fair weather oi-ooy— really remains that way for most oi-ooy .— really remains that way for most oi-ooy . some— really remains that way for most of-day . some fair- really remains that way for most of day . some fair weather of the day. some fair weather eione—non - of the day. some fair weather cloud _from time| of the day. some fair weather eione—non - of the day. some fair weather. cloud _from time to cloud bubbling up from time to time. —o- cloud bubbling up from time to time._a mixture time. northern areas, a mixture of time. northern areas, a mixture oi ennny— time. northern areas, a mixture oi ennny eoeiie— time. northern areas, a mixture of sunny spells and scattered eonenen— of sunny spells and scattered enonenelnni— of sunny spells and scattered showers but again, note across showers. but again, note across none— showers. but again, note across none oi— showers. but again, note across none oi onnney— showers. but again, note across parts of orkney and northern seoiiono— parts of orkney and northern scotland and— parts of orkney and northern scotland and we— parts of orkney and northern scotland and we remain cloudy niin— scotland and we remain cloudy niin eonne— scotland and we remain cloudy with some persistent rain. ioeoiiy— with some persistent rain. really carrying— with some persistent rain. really carrying on right throughout— really carrying on right throughout the course of the toy — throughout the course of the toy nni— throughout the course of the toy in in— throughout the course of the day. but in the— throughout the course of the day. but in the sunshine across the day. but in the sunshine across one eonin— day. but in the sunshine across the south, feeling— day. but in the sunshine across the south, feeling pleasantly nigne— the south, feeling pleasantly warm. highs reaching 22, 23 oegneee— warm. highs reaching 22, 23 oegneee oe— warm. highs reaching 22, 23 degrees as little— warm. highs reaching 22, 23 degrees as little changes as we into— degrees as little changes as we move into sunday— degrees as little changes as we move into sunday night. fairly gniei— move into sunday night. fairly gniei oenoee— move into sunday night. fairly quiet across the _ move into sunday night. fairly quiet across the south, but innnen— quiet across the south, but further rain— quiet across the south, but further rain or— quiet across the south, but further rain or showers across ine— further rain or showers across one nonn— further rain or showers across one nonn. ogoin— further rain or showers across the north, again being blown in on o ioiniy— the north, again being blown in on a fairly keen— the north, again being blown in on a fairly keen wind. and for

onney— on a fairly keen wind. and for onney ono— on a fairly keen wind. and for orkney and shetland and the far nonn— orkney and shetland and the far nonn oi— orkney and shetland and the far north of scotland,— orkney and shetland and the far north of scotland, that rain inen— north of scotland, that rain just persisting— north of scotland, that rain just persisting right throughout the just persisting right throughout ine nigni.— just persisting right throughout one nigni. ano— just persisting right throughout the night. and in fact , it will the night. and in fact, it will nnoi— the night. and in fact, it will remain that way— the night. and in fact, it will remain that way as we go into nonooy— remain that way as we go into nonooy iieeii— remain that way as we go into monday itself .— remain that way as we go into monday itself . elsewhere, monday itself. elsewhere, a nigni— monday itself. elsewhere, a nigni eion— monday itself. elsewhere, a bright start to _ monday itself. elsewhere, a bright start to the day , but bright start to the day, but eione— bright start to the day, but eiono viii— bright start to the day, but cloud will begin to spill in across many western areas with oniineone— across many western areas with some outbreaks of— across many western areas with some outbreaks of rain arriving nene— some outbreaks of rain arriving nene oe— some outbreaks of rain arriving nene oe ine— some outbreaks of rain arriving here as the afternoon goes on. nni— here as the afternoon goes on. on ine— here as the afternoon goes on. on one ieei— here as the afternoon goes on. but the best of— here as the afternoon goes on. but the best of the driest and inignieei— but the best of the driest and brightest conditions really neeenveo— brightest conditions really neeenveo in— brightest conditions really reserved in the afternoon down iononoe— reserved in the afternoon down iononoe ine— reserved in the afternoon down towards the south— reserved in the afternoon down towards the south eastern part of towards the south eastern part oi ine— towards the south eastern part oi ine eonniny— towards the south eastern part of the country and really the eion— of the country and really the eion oi— of the country and really the start of next— of the country and really the start of next week remains nneeiiieo— start of next week remains unsettled for— start of next week remains unsettled for all of .

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