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myself, along with a guest star. tonight, it's the brilliant journalist and political commentator emma wolf. as every week please do get in— commentator emma wolf. as every week please do get in touch- as every week please do get in touch with your— week please do get in touch with yew viewe— week please do get in touch with yew ee— week please do get in touch with your views as well. _ week please do get in touch with your views as well. you can do so by— your views as well. you can do so by emeiiiwg— your views as well. you can do so by emailing gb— your views as well. you can do so by emailing gb views at gb wewe. — so by emailing gb views at gb wewe. cem — so by emailing gb views at gb wewe. cem ewe— so by emailing gb views at gb news. com but before we start ieeiiwe— news. com but before we start ieeiiwe eeei— news. com but before we start tearing each other— news. com but before we start tearing each other apart , it is tearing each other apart, it is iime— tearing each other apart, it is iime fei— tearing each other apart, it is iime iei wow— tearing each other apart, it is time for your saturday night. news| i good news good evening, i'm rhiannon jones from the gb newsroom . jones from the gb newsroom. extra police have been sent to the french cities of marseille and lyon as fears grow of a fifth night of riots. it's after a teenager was shot dead by police in paris on tuesday. buildings and vehicles were again torched and stores looted last night by protesters. demand adding justice for the 17 year old known as nahel m. the french interior minister has confirmed police arrested some aged as young as 12 and 13. the french interior minister says the state

won't back down and that they're prepared for another night of chaos as soledar organised. the interior ministry is 1 2 2" 2 the interior ministry is mobilising the interior ministry is mobilising iiie eeme— interior ministry is mobilising the same number of forces weighi— the same number of forces tonight everywhere in the winery,— tonight everywhere in the country, meaning 45,000 police eiiieeie— country, meaning 45,000 police eiiieeie we— country, meaning 45,000 police officers are mobilised , three officers are mobilised, three ieewegeie— officers are mobilised, three teenagers have— officers are mobilised, three teenagers have been charged with mwei— teenagers have been charged with mwei wie— teenagers have been charged with mwei we a— teenagers have been charged with murder after a 17— teenagers have been charged with murder after a 17 year old boy fewe— murder after a 17 year old boy was found dead— murder after a 17 year old boy was found dead in— murder after a 17 year old boy was found dead in a canal in weei— was found dead in a canal in west london _ was found dead in a canal in west london 17— was found dead in a canal in west london 22 « 2j west london 17 year old victor lee was found in the water near willesden junction last sunday. he was pulled from the water. but despite efforts to save him, he died at the scene. the three boys will appear at highbury magistrates court on monday. boys will appear at highbury magistrates court on monday . and magistrates court on monday. and a 46 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted murder after a 15 year old boy and a 23 year old man was stabbed to death in north london on thursday. the teenager , who's now been named teenager, who's now been named by police as leonardo reid, was pronounced dead at the scene in islington . the 23 year old man

islington. the 23 year old man died later in hospital while a third victim was also found at an address in north london with stab wounds and that is if you're watching on television, an image of leonardo reid , the an image of leonardo reid, the 15 year old boy stabbed . seven. 15 year old boy stabbed. seven. just stop all protesters have been arrested for disrupting london's annual pride march. activists blocked the road and sprayed paint on a coca—cola truck, forcing the parade to stop for more than 15 minutes. they were arrested for public nuisance offences. the group had warned of potential disruption as it called on organisers not to accept sponsorship money from what they call high polluting industries . and twitter has industries. and twitter has appued industries. and twitter has applied a temporary limit to the number of tweets users can read in a day, as thousands are tonight reporting problems accessing the site. owner elon musk has announced via twitter that under verified accounts are

limited to 600 posts a day. while verified accounts can read up to 6000. he says the temporary limits are to address what he calls extreme levels of data scraping , which involves data scraping, which involves pulling information from a website into a spreadsheet , as website into a spreadsheet, as well as system manipur , nation well as system manipur, nation tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to the . back to the. saturday five. it is saturday night. back to the. saturday five. - - it is saturday night. you're back to the. saturday five. - - it is saturdafive. ht. you're back to the. saturday five. - - it is saturdafive. i'm/ou're with the saturday five. i'm imiw— with the saturday five. i'm imiw-iei-e- with the saturday five. i'mi emily-let's crack emily carver. so let's crack on. sweieiii— emily carver. so let's crack on. straight-tonight's- emily carver. so let's crack on. straight tonight's first straight on with tonight's first ieieie— straight on with tonight's first debate. darren— straight on with tonight's first debate. darren is— straight on with tonight's first debate. darren is absolutely fuming— debate. darren is absolutely iweiwg wie— debate. darren is absolutely fuming this evening. very wiewewi— fuming this evening. very unusual for— fuming this evening. very unusual for him. this time it's eiiei— unusual for him. this time it's we a— unusual for him. this time it's after a number— unusual for him. this time it's after a number of— unusual for him. this time it's after a number of brexiteers ewe— after a number of brexiteers iiwe wei— after a number of brexiteers have had their— after a number of brexiteers have had their bank accounts inexpiieeiw— have had their bank accounts inexplicably closed. “233 have had their bank accounts inexplicably closed. “22: 22 inexplicably closed. yes, ladies and gents, brace yourselves for

and gents, brace yourselves for a jaw dropping revelation that left our nigel farage totally thunderstruck . picture this. the thunderstruck. picture this. the banking group that he's been with since the 80s has called heartedly dropped a bombshell, informing them that they're shutting down his accounts. and the man has tried to switch to 6 or 7 other banks. but it's like hitting a brick wall every time . talk about a financial knockout . the cherry on top, knockout. the cherry on top, though, is that even members of his family have fallen victim to this banking purge. now, if you ask me, it's not rocket science . yes. without a bank account, functioning becomes as improbable as finding a straight white male on a telly advert. it's not just nigel and his family, though, that are feeling the sting. insurgent political parties like reform reclaim and ukip , they've all struggled with ukip, they've all struggled with their own bank accounts. and brace yourself for more outrageous tales , trigonometry. outrageous tales, trigonometry. the podcast that dared to stand up for free speech that got its

bank account yanked right out from under it. bank account yanked right out from under it . meanwhile, the from under it. meanwhile, the heroes at the free speech union had their pay pal account held hostage until the public raised such an outcry that the mighty payments giant had to think twice and the founder of wings over scotland, which is a pro scottish independence blog, they lost their bank account for simply stating the obvious, which is that women don't have penises as shock, horror . but penises as shock, horror. but hold on tight because we're not done yet. during calvin robinson's show, we were hit with a shocking account from reverend richard fothergill. guess what? the righteous man had his account closed simply for offering some polite feedback on the perils of transgender ideology to his bank that was flying that clown flag. now i ask this very question when would yorkshire building society be so swift? in closing the account of an imam, for example , who voiced his

example, who voiced his disapproval of their branches being adorned with that ever changing pride flag ? they just changing pride flag? they just as they did here with a christian? i say wake up . christian? i say wake up. britain were facing a dire situation here. and let's face it, folks , we're careening it, folks, we're careening towards a chinese social credit system. you say something that irks the gods of esg diversity and inclusion and you lose access to the bare essentials required for survival. we'll have to shield our cash, protect our speech, and stand tall against the tyranny of these banking behemoths . yes. now banking behemoths. yes. now we've benjamin , we've got a we've benjamin, we've got a tweet here by kay burley who said this about nigel farage going into what, 6 or 7 bank accounts. she said , if eight accounts. she said, if eight separate banks don't want your custom, i suppose you'd start to wonder why . i custom, i suppose you'd start to wonder why. i mean, she's totally sly. news they're totally sly. news they're totally missing the point . if totally missing the point. if you can't access banking for holding certain views, you

cannot function in modern life. i don't accept the premise of we— i don't accept the premise of we wgwwewi— i don't accept the premise of the argument because we don't knew— the argument because we don't knew wei— the argument because we don't knew we nei— the argument because we don't know that for fact. _ the argument because we don't know that for fact. you know, iweee— know that for fact. you know, iweee nee— know that for fact. you know, farage has been— know that for fact. you know, farage has been a little bit eeieewe— farage has been a little bit obscure about— farage has been a little bit obscure about some elements of ine— obscure about some elements of we i— obscure about some elements of we i ininw— obscure about some elements of this. i think this— obscure about some elements of this. i think this has got more to this. i think this has got more ie we— this. i think this has got more ie we win— this. i think this has got more to do with the— this. i think this has got more to do with the fact that banks wani— to do with the fact that banks weni ie — to do with the fact that banks want to reduce— to do with the fact that banks want to reduce the risks . and he want to reduce the risks. and he is want to reduce the risks. and he ie e— want to reduce the risks. and he ie e new— want to reduce the risks. and he is a risky person.— want to reduce the risks. and he is a risky person. he said nineeii— is a risky person. he said himself that— is a risky person. he said himself that it- is a risky person. he said himself that it could be under inie— himself that it could be under this umbrella— himself that it could be under this umbrella term of a eeiitieeiw— this umbrella term of a politically exposed person, that it politically exposed person, that ii eewe— politically exposed person, that i eewie ie — politically exposed person, that it could be an— politically exposed person, that it could be an account affected by inne— it could be an account affected by new inni— it could be an account affected by that, that there— it could be an account affected by that, that there might be nenew— by that, that there might be money eenine— by that, that there might be money coming from questionable inni— money coming from questionable sources. that is— money coming from questionable sources. that is the— money coming from questionable sources. that is the suggestion eiewi— sources. that is the suggestion eiewi wnw— sources. that is the suggestion about why these _ sources. that is the suggestion about why these people are not. wen.— about why these people are not. weii. ne— about why these people are not. weii. ne wen-t— about why these people are not. well, he didn't say— about why these people are not. well, he didn't say that,- well, he didn't say that, though, did he? he made absolutely clear that he didn't receive from russia, receive money from russia, which was the allegation. and i'm not ewine— was the allegation. and i'm not saying-did— was the allegation. and i'm not ewineleie wt,— was the allegation. and i'm not saying-did did, but- was the allegation. and i'm not saying-did did, but we- 2" and i'm not saying did did, but we don't saying he did did, but we don't knew,— saying he did did, but we don't knew-wee— saying he did did, but we don't know,.we? and— saying he did did, but we don't know,.we? and so- saying he did did, but we don't know, we? and so could know, do we? and so there could be know, do we? and so there could ie—inen— know, do we? and so there could ie—tnen inene- know, do we? and so there could be _then there was. be other parties then there was a be other parties then there was e-iiei— be other parties then there was e-iieitnene. — be other parties then there was a-list there. wings- be other parties then there was a list there. �*fw�* 21 a whole list there. wings over scotland. trigonometry free speech union, of them for speech union, all of them for saying women don't have penises. you lose bank you should lose your bank account. is really your account. is that really your view? but look, you have a eweew— view? but look, you have a eweew ieew— view? but look, you have a cursory look at— , , but look, you have a cursory look at twitter as i newe— cursory look at twitter as i nave-ine— cursory look at twitter as i have the occasions cursory look at twitter as i have .the occasions it have on the occasions when it were— have on the occasions when it were ane— have on the occasions when it were ane yew— have on the occasions when it works. and you will see that ive — works. and you will see that i-we-weriewe—

works. and you will see thati i've-various-have i've seen various people have inferent— i've seen various people have different politics— i've seen various people have different politics and no eeiiiiee— different politics and no politics. randomly different politics and no politics-randomly their politics. you randomly had their eeeewni— politics. you randomly had their eeeewni-wew— politics. you randomly had their account now actually , account closed. now actually, you— account closed. now actually, yew-inni— account closed. now actually, you-think the- account closed. now actually, you think the right to a you know, i think the right to a tent— you know, i think the right to a bank account— you know, i think the right to a bank account probably is eeneinine— bank account probably isi something—be bank account probably is- something_be brought something that should be brought eeew— something that should be brought eeew ieee— something that should be brought back because the— something that should be brought back because the people who are entered— back because the people who are affected—probably- affected by that are probably rneree-i— affected by that are probably rneree-i ine- affected by that are probably more be the homeless more likely to be the homeless ene— more likely to be the homeless and ine— more likely to be the homeless and we, yew— more likely to be the homeless and the, you know, the people ineiiiwriene— and the, you know, the people institutions-from - institutions cut off from eeeiew. — institutions cut off from eeeiew. - i - institutions cut off from society. i think that society. and so i think that wewie— society. and so i think that wewiele— society. and so i think that would a reasonable society. and so i think that would-a reasonable to would be a reasonable thing to wine— would be a reasonable thing to wine eeew.— would be a reasonable thing to bring back-right- would be a reasonable thing to bring back. right wingers bring back. maybe right wingers like you're about to say that eenernine— like you're about to say that something about lizzo on something about lizzo later on in we— something about lizzo later on in rne-e— something about lizzo later on in the-a little- something about lizzo later on in the a little sneak in the show, a little sneak preview— in the show, a little sneak preview-rer- in the show, a little sneak preview-for our- in the show, a little sneak preview for our viewers. preview there for our viewers. are—tier- preview there for our viewers. are—tier yew-re- are you worried that you're going lose access to your going to lose access to your bank account once benjamin says, you you've said something you know, you've said something deeply what deeply offensive, you know what they can take? they can take ineir— they can take? they can take their-account— they can take? they can take their- account back. - 1" , they can take their account back. they their bank account back. they een-ieew— their bank account back. they can-back-youl can have it back gladly. you knew,— can have it back gladly. you knew, renne— can have it back gladly. you know, banks have, first of all, eeereeeee— know, banks have, first of all, decreased all— know, banks have, first of all, decreased all of— know, banks have, first of all, decreased all of our interest reiee— decreased all of our interest rates-almost- decreased all of our interest rates almost zero. this rates down to almost zero. this wine— rates down to almost zero. this wine er— rates down to almost zero. this wine er inne— rates down to almost zero. this kind of thing, this— rates down to almost zero. this kind of thing, this kind of eeiiiieei— political interference where inw— political interference where they absolutely belong they absolutely do not belong renne— they absolutely do not belong ienwe ere— they absolutely do not belong banks are there— they absolutely do not belong banks are there to provide a eewiee. — banks are there to provide a eewiee. inw— banks are there to provide a service. they should be grateful for service. they should be grateful ier ine— service. they should be grateful ier rne rer— service. they should be grateful for the for the _ service. they should be grateful for the for the cash, whether ire—eeen - for the for the cash, whether ire—eeen er- it's nigel farage cash or whoever's this- it's nigel farage cash or whoever's this kind thing whoever's this kind of thing newee— whoever's this kind of thing make me— whoever's this kind of thing makes me -to- whoever's this kind of thing makes me to take all makes me want to take all my nenew— makes me want to take all my nenew ew— makes me want to take all my nenew ewi-ii- makes me want to take all my money out it under the money out and put it under the neiireee. — money out and put it under the mattress. yeah,— money out and put it under the mattress. yeah, it's- money out and put it under the mattress. i/2;r21 c “ui�*lfi�*irc 12 mattress. yeah, it's interesting you because i was you say that because i was having conversation with

having this conversation with some family members and they said the same it said exactly the same thing. it makes me to take my money makes me want to take my money out, not use a modern banking system and have cash . and i system and have cash. and i think this sort of thing will make people cling on to cash. we talk about a cashless society and a lot of people are on board with that. you know, we don't need cash anymore. do we? but people actually worry when people do actually worry when these kind of stories about these kind of stories come about . and it's happened time and time you out, time again. as you pointed out, you alby, you got you think, alby, have you got cash the mattress? not at cash under the mattress? not at all. can just say, in cash under the mattress? not at all. caanust say, in my- 1 c. 12:1; , not at all. can just say, in my day all. can i just say, in my day job— all. can i just say, in my day ten i— all. can i just say, in my day tee i were— all. can i just say, in my day tee i were in— all. can i just say, in my day job i work in finance and the eieeiwie— job i work in finance and the absolute worst— job i work in finance and the absolute worst-to- job i work in finance and the absolute worst to do for absolute worst thing to do for yew— absolute worst thing to do for wewr-ie— absolute worst thing to do for wewr-ie re— absolute worst thing to do for wewr-ie re ew- your money is to put it underneath— your money is to put it underneath the put it in underneath the bed, put it in yew— underneath the bed, put it in wew inni— underneath the bed, put it in your bank account, put it in a ewinee— your bank account, put it in a savings account,— your bank account, put it in a savings account, get a high iniereer— savings account, get a high interest isa,— savings account, get a high interest isa, make some money tren— interest isa, make some money wen—is- interest isa, make some money wen—is eerweiwi interest isa, make some moneyi from—is actually a from it. but there is actually a serious point to what benjamin was saying because i was having a at a westminster a conversation at a westminster party week with party earlier on this week with some activists who had some political activists who had just political just started a political activist organisation and they were how were talking about how hard it was to bank account. this was to open a bank account. this isn't a particularly radical organisation. they just want more built. but they were more houses built. but they were talking about it's actually

talking about how it's actually quite for banks be quite common for banks to be quite common for banks to be quite edgy around quite kind of edgy around political organisations, and i feel lot of this feel that a lot of this phenomenon we've been phenomenon that we've been seeing with nigel with trigonometry et cetera falls into this. but if you think, benjamin, that we should bring a right to a bank account back then surely you think the way that nigel has been treated is wrong. well, i mean, you know, eeewnine— wrong. well, i mean, you know, eeewnine rner— wrong. well, i mean, you know, assuming that there— 2 well, i mean, you know, assuming that there isn't a eweerien— assuming that there isn't a question about— assuming that there isn't a question about source of question about the source of eeneline— question about the source of some-the cash,- question about the source of some the cash, and i'm not some of the cash, and i'm not ewine— some of the cash, and i'm not ewine-iwi- some of the cash, and i'm not ewine-iwi ine- some of the cash, and i'm not saying but the banks saying there is, but the banks nieni— saying there is, but the banks mien-iner— saying there is, but the banks might-that about- saying there is, but the banks might that about of the might say that about some of the people— might say that about some of the weenie-ner— might say that about some of the weenie-net eer— might say that about some of the people-not got the- people who've not got the accounts,-yeah,- people who've not got the accounts, yeah, i think, accounts, then. yeah, i think, of accounts, then. yeah, i think, er—enewie.- accounts, then. yeah, i think, of_should. but. of course you should. but i mean,.updated- of course you should. but i mean, updated viewers mean, he updated viewers erierweree— mean, he updated viewers afterwards that mean, he updated viewers- afterwards-that-bank afterwards to say that the bank nee— afterwards to say that the bank we win— afterwards to say that the bank we win new— afterwards to say that the bank he's with had said he could have a he's with had said he could have e eereenei— he's with had said he could have a personal account.— he's with had said he could have a personal account. he just eewien-r— a personal account. he just couldn't business couldn't have a business. account. _ people couldn't have a business- account. _people who account. and lots of people who eere— account. and lots of people who reiwee—nwr- account. and lots of people who refuse _ but where - account. and lots of people whoi refuse _ but where does refuse business. but where does this going to this end? are they going to start monitoring our social media and assessing our views before allowed? absolutely before we're allowed? absolutely the start the gps are going to start companies us companies going to be turning us off. going off. they're not going to provide electricity you. provide electricity to you. they're provide they're not going to provide water dup don't want to provide health services. i don't buy inie— health services. i don't buy this politically— health services. i don't buyi this politically-idea. this politically exposed idea. wen,— this politically exposed idea. well,-european. this politically exposed idea. - well,-european union, well, that's the european union, iniiw— well, that's the european union, iniiw-.— well, that's the european union, iniiw-. wen,- well, that's the european union, iniiw-. net, i- well, that's the european union, emily, . well, i don't i emily, because. well, i don't i went— emily, because. well, i don't i een-i i— emily, because. well, i don't i

een-i i went— emily, because. well, i don't i don't i don't buy— emily, because. well, i don't i don't i don't buy it because all of don't i don't buy it because all er rneee— don't i don't buy it because all of these people,— don't i don't buy it because all of these people, those examples you of these people, those examples yew-ere— of these people, those examples yew-ere ere— of these people, those examples you are are countercultural you gave are are countercultural in e— you gave are are countercultural in e wry.— you gave are are countercultural in e ww. rew— you gave are are countercultural in a way. you know— you gave are are countercultural in a way. you know , they're in a way. you know, they're eiiner— in a way. you know, they're either small— in a way. you know, they're either small c— in a way. you know, they're either small c conservative iiwee— either small c conservative iiwee er— either small c conservative lives or right— either small c conservative lives or right wingers or brexiteers— lives or right wingers or brexiteers or— lives or right wingers or brexiteers or say challenging ininee— brexiteers or say challenging rninee eeew— brexiteers or say challenging things about lgbt or transgender ieeeieew. — things about lgbt or transgender ideology- wnen— things about lgbt or transgender ideology. when was the last time , um,— ideology. when was the last time , iner— ideology. when was the last time , inei, yew— ideology. when was the last time , um, that, you know, a wenineni— , um, that, you know, a prominent left winger . that's prominent left winger. that's irwe— prominent left winger. that's rrwe. eer— prominent left winger. that's true. got their— prominent left winger. that's true. got their account taken away— true. got their account taken away wen — true. got their account taken away from them.— true. got their account taken away from them. it's all very bizarre— away from them. it's all very bizarre because— away from them. it's all very bizarre because you don't eeneieer— bizarre because you don't consider banks- bizarre because you don't consider banks be, you know, consider banks to be, you know, the consider banks to be, you know, rne-ei— consider banks to be, you know, rne-ei er— consider banks to be, you know, the-of, of morality- consider banks to be, you know, the of, of morality or, the arbiters of, of morality or, or the arbiters of, of morality or, er peniewierw— the arbiters of, of morality or, or particularly wing. or particularly left wing. ineeee— or particularly left wing. ineeee yew— or particularly left wing. indeed you say that, but the werwine— indeed you say that, but the worrying banks— indeed you say that, but the worrying banks have a really ineeneni— worrying banks have a really important role— worrying banks have a really important role in stopping dodgy nenew— important role in stopping dodgy nenew-inie— important role in stopping dodgy money-into this- important role in stopping dodgy money into this country, money coming into this country, of money coming into this country, er eeweelwne— money coming into this country, of course.iand-money- of course. and the money laundering of the world happens in britain. and so i think there are going be cases out there are going to be cases out there and i'm referencing farage and i'm not referencing farage in there are to in this, but there are going to be cases actually our be cases where actually our banks much tougher in banks should be much tougher in this should this way, but then they should be banning oligarchs and be banning the oligarchs and they should be banning the people in buying up people coming in and buying up half they make them too half of yeah, they make them too much money. well, after end that ene-ewi— much money. well, after end that ene-ewi-inewenl one, there. but up next, though, we-relier— one, there. but up next, though, we'relfor e— one, there. but up next, though, we're-for a treat. _ one, there. but up next, though, we're for a treat. it's albee we're in for a treat. it's albee ene— we're in for a treat. it's albee ene ne-e— we're in for a treat. it's albee we we going— we're in for a treat. it's albee and he's going .be -

we're in for a treat. it's albee and he's going be talking and he's going to be talking eeew— and he's going to be talking eeew-wine— and he's going to be talking about-pride is- and he's going to be talking about pride is important, about how pride is important, but about how pride is important, ewr eerneee— about how pride is important, but perhaps the— about how pride is important, but perhaps the 21st century inni— but perhaps the 21st century lgbt-alphabet- but perhaps the 21st century lgbt alphabet has but perhaps the 21st century- lgbt-alphabet-has lost lgbt plus alphabet soup has lost its lgbt plus alphabet soup has lost ire-iride— lgbt plus alphabet soup has lost ire-pride in— lgbt plus alphabet soup has lost its-pride in 2021. - lgbt plus alphabet soup has lost its-pride in 2021. do- lgbt plus alphabet soup has lost its-pride in 2021. do we. its focus. pride in 2021. do we still need it? is the question that lots of people with 23 or 2023 rather excuse me, i've gone back, back in time. pride in 2023. d0 back, back in time. pride in 2023. do we still need it? a lot of people seem to be asking that question. in a country where we've largely achieved equality under the law, what is pride's purpose? have lgbt activists lost their way ? they seem to be lost their way? they seem to be focusing on things like transgender inclusion in sports, self id and policing people's language rather than the important things like tackling lgbt homelessness, increasing access to health care, tax thing, the scourge of hate crime on the streets of london and around the country , in six around the country, in six countries around the world, there are gay men who suffer from being put under the death penalty in 2023. yet today's activists in britain will talk about the fact that trans people

live similar lives in the united kingdom today to black apartheid south africans. and today gay at london pride just up oil ruined the parade for thousands of people. myself included, because they were upset that pride in london took money from an airline. well, i hope none of them have been have been on houday them have been have been on holiday recently. you've just got to think about the privilege of these people for them not to understand that actually these gay men on death row in countries where they can be executed are not worrying about the climate crisis. they're worrying about being killed . worrying about being killed. lgbt activism needs to get back to first principles improving the lives of lgbt people , not on the lives of lgbt people, not on ridiculous campaigns about self id , policing people's language id, policing people's language and trying to get people not to say , ladies and gentlemen, and say, ladies and gentlemen, and calling people bigots for reading harry potter. i think pride is still important, but it's important that it refines

its focus. benjamin on you, according to the guardian, pride powerless are the 62nd most influential gay man in the country. congratulations. thank you. i'm up from 74— country. congratulations. thank you. i'm up from 74 last- r2.:1:r. 12 thank you. i'm up from 74 last year. oh,— you. i'm up from 74 last year. on, — you. i'm up from 74 last year. oh, wow. almost,- you. i'm up from 74 last year. oh, wow. almost, almost over ten places. is that like a chat up iinee— places. is that like a chat up we neee— places. is that like a chat up line? does that— places. is that like a chat up line? does that get- 2 is that like a chat up line? does that get you a lot of ewee— line? does that get you a lot of tree in— line? does that get you a lot of tree in e— line? does that get you a lot of dates in a bar? _ line? does that get you a lot of dates in a bar? i— line? does that get you a lot of dates in a bar? 22.32. dates in a bar? i mean, a gay bar? i'm not sure i'm the most influential gay in my own flat, let alone the country. but still. but but what do you think about this? do you feel that pride— about this? do you feel that pride nee— about this? do you feel that pride has lost— about this? do you feel that pride has lost its— 17 do you feel that pride has lost its focus? what's yew— pride has lost its focus? what's wew rneweni— pride has lost its focus? what's wew rnewgnr en— pride has lost its focus? what's your thought on day lgbt your thought on modern day lgbt eeiiwiene — your thought on modern day lgbt activism? idon't._ your thought on modern day lgbt activism? idon't. and- your thought on modern day lgbt activism? 221 2 12 activism? i don't. and look, first all, just stop. oil is first of all, just stop. oil is obviously entirely different obviously an entirely different organisation that, you know, organisation in that, you know, targets, the poshos the cricket with the poshos or the gays at pride. right. i think they're trying to get they're just trying to get anything a high profile anything that is a high profile event. i don't think it's reflective lgbt or any of reflective of lgbt or any of that. the truth is that that. but the truth is that i think when you arguments think when you make arguments like that just like the one that you just made, you with people you align yourself with people who bigoted, who have who really are bigoted, who have never the basic human never supported the basic human rights of people, who have rights of gay people, who have thrust shame on generations and

what drives me mad when people say , oh, why do you still need say, oh, why do you still need this parade? or do you this parade? or why do you attention seeking? what is attention seeking? or what is there about? well, there to protest about? well, there to protest about? well, the that are the truth is that there are still people of working who still people of working age who came to be mature as men and women when it was illegal to be 93v- women when it was illegal to be gay. there are people i know who have had shock therapy on them, which had serious effects on their health for the rest of their health for the rest of their life. by the state, who are still fairly normal ages. and there are people that go to school. i am 31. when i started at secondary school, it was illegal to talk about gay people in school . that illegal to talk about gay people in school. that is illegal to talk about gay people in school . that is how recent it in school. that is how recent it is and that damage lives with people. but benjamin, i'm not denying any that. i'm denying any of that. i'm actually saying that- actually saying that what eeiiwien — actually saying that what activism is— actually saying that what activism is focusing on today ere—inineei are not the important things rner—ie- are not the important things that be tackling, that we need to be tackling, rite— that we need to be tackling, like improving _ that we need to be tackling, like improving access to health rite— like improving access to health care, like ending— care, like ending lgbt homelessness, talking care, like ending lgbt- homelessness,-talking about homelessness, like talking about the homelessness, like talking about rne iner— homelessness, like talking about we we iner— homelessness, like talking about the fact that 27%_ homelessness, like talking about the fact that 27% of all british inni— the fact that 27% of all british ieei merw— the fact that 27% of all british lgbt motty people today are entering— lgbt motty people today are suffering from _ lgbt motty people today are suffering from from food ineeewiw— suffering from from food insecurity because of the cost of insecurity because of the cost er-erieie. — insecurity because of the cost of-crisis. .today's. of living crisis. yet today's eeiiwieie— of living crisis. yet today's activists are _ of living crisis. yet today's activists are talking about

eew—ii— activists are talking about self—id and— activists are talking about self—id and pronouns. $2132 self—id and pronouns. may i just say something? i think there's a problem with pride. i think that it should never have become pride month. i think it should be a pride day. then it's actually something a bit special . having pride month where you have every single corporation under sun flying a flag when under the sun flying a flag when they actually do nothing really for anyone of gay or lesbian persuasion. and it just didn't need persuading easily. i didn't need persuading easily. i didn't need persuading. _ need persuading easily. i didn't need persuading. it— need persuading easily. i didn't need persuading. it just becomes need persuading. itjust becomes so need persuading. it just becomes so boring. and also people feel like it's too much in their face. you know, i'm not a bigot, so why do i need to constantly be seeing the pride flag for an entirety of a month? it's just a bit much. imagine. imagine how a gay eereen— bit much. imagine. imagine how a gay eeeen reeie— e 21 imagine. imagine how a gay person feels constantly newne— gay person feels constantly having straight— gay person feels constantly having straight people thrust in new— having straight people thrust in weir-ane— having straight people thrust in ineir-ane er— having straight people thrust in their and of course, their face. and of course, reining— their face. and of course, talking about— their face. and of course, talking about .- their face. and of course, talking about . your taste. you talking about. your taste. you iewen— talking about. your taste. you iewen yew— talking about. your taste. you laugh, you laugh. i~i can laugh, you laugh. minority on rnie— laugh, you laugh. minority on this panel . laugh, you laugh. minority on this panel. i'm not having these gays thrusting my face. typekit but the very the very i'd just say— but the very the very i'd just ew ewieww— but the very the very i'd just say quickly, the_ but the very the very i'd just say quickly, the very fact you iewen— say quickly, the very fact you iewen er— say quickly, the very fact you iewen er iner— say quickly, the very fact you laugh at that illustrates that iner—

laugh at that illustrates that we ie— laugh at that illustrates that that is absurd.— laugh at that illustrates that that is absurd. meanwhile, wewe— that is absurd. meanwhile, wew-re—eeeinel that is absurd. meanwhile,- you're_seeing images you're saying that seeing images of you're saying that seeing images er-neeeie— you're saying that seeing images ei-eeenie ene— you're saying that seeing images ei-eeenie ene ew- you're saying that seeing images of people and gay rights you of gay people and gay rights you find interesting— of gay people and gay rights you find interesting . _ of gay people and gay rights you find interesting . 221 e find interesting. you don't rhini— find interesting. you don't think diminishes bit, think it diminishes a bit, though? look, i actually i eeiweiw— though? look, i actually ii actually-corporates actually support corporates being— actually support corporates being-witn- being involved with pride ieee— being involved with pride because-is- being involved with pride because-is to pay because who else is going to pay for because who else is going to pay fer-eereeee — because who else is going to pay for-parade? so— because who else is going to pay for-parade? so i- because who else is going to pay for-parade? so i think- for that parade? so i think that's important. but darren, you're a bit a pariah in the you're a bit of a pariah in the lgbtq+ community because your lgbtq+ community because of your strongly trans strongly held views on trans rights . do do you feel rights. do you feel do you feel that it rights. do you feel do you feel thatitis rights. do you feel do you feel that it is fair that people in the gay community who have gender critical views are vilified in the way that you are sometimes? well, i definitely ininw— sometimes? well, i definitely ininw rner— sometimes? well, i definitely think that were— sometimes? well, i definitely think that were i— sometimes? well, i definitely think that were i to- 7 well, i definitely think that were i to turn up to ine— think that were i to turn up to we iride— think that were i to turn up to we nine-in— think that were i to turn up to the pride in london today the pride event in london today ,-wewie— the pride event in london today ,-wewie newe— the pride event in london today ,-would have been- the pride event in london today , would have been about , that i would have been about as , that i would have been about ee—eeleen-i- , that i would have been about as-asldon't know,l as welcome as i don't know, ween— as welcome as i don't know, adolf stalin— as welcome as i don't know, adolf stalin and— as welcome as i don't know, adolf stalin and or adolf a war ene— adolf stalin and or adolf a war we reeee— adolf stalin and or adolf a war and peace convention. e and peace convention. it's just it ie— and peace convention. it's just it is were— and peace convention. it's just it is utterly bizarre. and actually i'll as well what i think is really troubling is that polls show that support for acceptance of gay relationships , dips is actually decreasing . , dips is actually decreasing. and i actually blame people like benjamin butterworth for basically highlighting us in a way in which i think goes far

beyond not the 62nd most influential gay man in the country. well, yes, absolutely. i definitely do, actually. highlighting us in a way that says we don't want equality. we want to be special. we deserve rights to access women's spaces and bathrooms and sterilisation of children and have an ever changing clown flag. he people like him are losing gay people. i don't i don't think it's fair to say that pride is about sterilising children. i think those arguments- sterilising children. i think those arguments it- sterilising children. i think those arguments it is- l 12 21 2 ”2; 1 i think those arguments it is easy. but inne— those arguments it is easy. but inne yew— those arguments it is easy. but inne, you we— those arguments it is easy. but emma, you are related to a renewe— emma, you are related to a famous activist— emma, you are related to a famous activist author , i famous activist author, i renewe— famous activist author, i believe, virginia woolf. what do you believe, virginia woolf. what do wew ieei— believe, virginia woolf. what do you reei eeew— believe, virginia woolf. what do you feel about today's activists eeneeree— you feel about today's activists eeneeree re— you feel about today's activists compared to the— you feel about today's activists compared to the activists that we in we — compared to the activists that we saw in the past? 2 we saw in the past? i would eeri— we saw in the past? i would never call virginia woolf an activist in any way. she had a very intimate, close relationship, possibly lesbian, possibly with vita possibly not with vita sackville—west, and wrote orlando, which is an amazing kind of gay novel. orlando, which is an amazing kind of gay novel . amazing. at kind of gay novel. amazing. at that time in the early 20th century, i wouldn't really call her an activist. it just simply wasn't , you know, it just sort wasn't, you know, it just sort of not appropriate. but it's just all really confusing as a

straight person, i'm agreeing with emily in terms of the rainbow i mean, literally, rainbow being i mean, literally, they've on our they've painted a rainbow on our crossing our our street. crossing outside our our street. there are rainbows everywhere . there are rainbows everywhere. it does feel like a lot of people are jumping the pride people are jumping on the pride bandwagon on lgbtq. bandwagon or on the lgbtq. i just feel really nervous about talking about it. i just think a lot of people who aren't in in the kind of lgbtq, x, y, z plus inaya, all of that stuff . i inaya, all of that stuff. i think the whole trans issue has made people quite nervous. actually about saying the wrong thing. i'm just trying to be honest. i think you're absolutely— i think you're absolutely right. 32121 n2; absolutely right. who are rereiw— absolutely right. who are totally open, who are totally cool about people being gay. of course they are. it's, you know, there's also a sort an there's also a sort of an assumption that you don't assumption that if you don't like then be like that, then you must be a bigot. iknow. like that, then you must be a bigot. i know. i mean, it eeeen-i— bigot. i know. i mean, it doesn't work— bigot. i know. i mean, it doesn't work like- 22 i know. i mean, it doesn't work like that. 222 i know. i mean, it doesn't work like that. people don-t— doesn't work like that. people don-t work— doesn't work like that. people don't work-that. - doesn't work like that. people don't work that. but we're don't work like that. but we're going— don't work like that. but we're going-have— don't work like that. but we're going-have to— don't work like that. but we're going have to stop. sorry, going to have to stop. sorry, benjamin.— going to have to stop. sorry, benjamin. still— going to have to stop. sorry, benjamin. still to come tonight, as-bums— benjamin. still to come tonight, as-bums and— benjamin. still to come tonight, as-burns and .1000. as paris burns and over 1000 people— as paris burns and over 1000 people-arrested,- as paris burns and over 1000 people arrested, this people were arrested, is this level— people were arrested, is this level disobedience level of civil disobedience justified,— level of civil disobedience justified, emma? wolf will be howling— justified, emma? wolf will be howling-obesity- justified, emma? wolf will be howling obesity and how howling about obesity and how body— howling about obesity and how body positivity— howling about obesity and how body positivity is— howling about obesity and how body positivity is not progressive- body positivity is not progressive . and our in—house

progressive. and our in—house lefty— progressive. and our in—house lefty guess— progressive. and our in—house lefty guess who— progressive. and our in—house lefty guess who that is, wants to tegatise— lefty guess who that is, wants to legalise drugs— lefty guess who that is, wants to legalise drugs . surprise, to legalise drugs. surprise, surfipss— to legalise drugs. surprise, surprise. you're— to legalise drugs. surprise, surprise. you're with the saturday— surprise. you're with the saturday five - surprise. you're with the saturday five on

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. welcome back to the saturday five,— welcome back to the saturday five, as— welcome back to the saturday five, as always. _ welcome back to the saturday five, as always. thanks very mush— five, as always. thanks very mush for— five, as always. thanks very much for your— five, as always. thanks very much for your emails about tonight-s— much for your emails about tonight's topics. _ much for your emails about tonight's topics. so up next, going— tonight's topics. so up next, going so— tonight's topics. so up next, we're going to be talking to emma— we're going to be talking to emma wou— we're going to be talking to emma wolf and— we're going to be talking to emma wolf and hearing from emma about— emma wolf and hearing from emma about ,— emma wolf and hearing from emma obout , wobb— emma wolf and hearing from emma about , well, what— emma wolf and hearing from emma about , well, what some emma wolf and hearing from emma about, well, what some might true-g— about, well, what some might otusg emmo— about, well, what some might otusg tmmo ts— about, well, what some might argue. emma is fat shaming, but you uoutt— argue. emma is fat shaming, but you uoutt tot-ost— argue. emma is fat shaming, but you would reject that in the strongest— you would reject that in the strongest possible terms. so, tumu— strongest possible terms. so, tmmo, tots— strongest possible terms. so, emma, take it— strongest possible terms. so, emma, take it away . ct?" strongest possible terms. so, emma, take it away . ca" strongest possible terms. so, emma, take it away . ce" emma, take it away. can we talk about— emma, take it away. can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room ? because while the the room? because while the government and the w.h.o. are hectoring us and lecturing us about this so—called killer pandemic, so called killer virus, the pandemic that's going to get us all, we're actually witnessing something that's killing us right now, obesity . killing us right now, obesity. heanng killing us right now, obesity. hearing the tributes to lizzo

and seeing those gushing images and seeing those gushing images and all the tributes to her about the body positivity actually made me really angry and really sad . what extreme and really sad. what extreme fatness of this level is now a fashion accessory . we i'm sure fashion accessory. we i'm sure lizzo is a great singer , but as lizzo is a great singer, but as a role model for physical health, know all. already 64% of adults in england are overweight or obese. already by the age of 11, 40% of children are overweight or obese. i think thatis overweight or obese. i think that is as neglectful. i think that is as neglectful. i think thatis that is as neglectful. i think that is as neglectful. i think that is as bad kind of child abuse as malnourished. a child allowing them to become morbidly obese. allowing them to become morbidly obese . obesity is the second obese. obesity is the second biggest cause of cancer. it causes heart disease. it causes stroke. it causes type 2 diabetes and all the things that come with diabetes, amputations , blindness, all of that. .it costs the nhs £6.5 billion a yearif costs the nhs £6.5 billion a year if the nhs is falling apart as we're constantly told, it's not down to brexit or anything

like that. it's down to obesity . we need to be truthful about this . every . we need to be truthful about this. every morbidly obese patient costs the nhs twice as much money, um, than a healthy weight patient does. so who's to blame ? well, clearly we live in blame? well, clearly we live in an obesogenic society. everything is about food. it's about snacks . and if you've just about snacks. and if you've just eaten. hey, have a smoothie . if eaten. hey, have a smoothie. if you go to an airport, all people are doing is eating. if you have an eight hour wait for a flight, you just sit there and eat. cafe bar rests isn't cafe bar restaurant and repeat it. it's constant consumption , excess constant consumption, excess calories, everything is delivery food. and you never need to budge from your sofa . also to budge from your sofa. also to blame are the big food producers. definitely their toxic sort of formulations of fat, sugar and salt. they've got it down to a fine art. they've got everybody hooked and they've got everybody hooked and they've got everybody hooked and they've got everybody constant plea hungry and craving more . you can hungry and craving more. you can even blame genetic s, you can

even blame genetic s, you can even blame genetic s, you can even blame your big bones , as even blame your big bones, as i've never seen a fat skeleton . i've never seen a fat skeleton. but hey, you can blame your big bones. but hey, you can blame your big bones . it's true. go to ethiopia bones. it's true. go to ethiopia . the people are not big boned , . the people are not big boned, but we all know the truth. it comes down to personal responsibility . it's time to responsibility. it's time to talk honestly about fat. it's time to stop glorifying morbid obesity. don't call it body positivity. there's nothing glamorous or cool about amputation or diabetes or cancen amputation or diabetes or cancer. there is nothing cool about eating yourself into an early grave . well, i mean, early grave. well, i mean, i ton-t— early grave. well, i mean, i tot-t know— early grave. well, i mean, i don't know about- 2 well, i mean, i don't know about benjamin buttotuottb— don't know about benjamin butterworth, but i think i'm bots— butterworth, but i think i'm bots tot— butterworth, but i think i'm bots tot o— butterworth, but i think i'm here for a good— butterworth, but i think i'm here for a good life. not a long uto— here for a good life. not a long ttto, tootty— here for a good life. not a long life, really. so— here for a good life. not a long life, really. so i— here for a good life. not a long life, really. so i think i'll btobobty— life, really. so i think i'll probably have- life, really. so i think i'll probably have a bottle of wine otter— probably have a bottle of wine ottot tbts— probably have a bottle of wine after this show— probably have a bottle of wine after this show and not think about— after this show and not think about tbs— after this show and not think about the calorie— after this show and not think about the calorie content. what do about the calorie content. what to-to— about the calorie content. what to-to tbs— about the calorie content. what do _to the viewers- about the calorie content. what do to the viewers who do you say to the viewers who ore-tboto — do you say to the viewers who are there chugging away are sat there chugging away gtootutty— are sat there chugging away gleefully-who - are sat there chugging away gleefully who may are sat there chugging away- gleefully-who may well gleefully right now who may well say, gleefully right now who may well soy, bott— gleefully right now who may well say, well, actually— gleefully right now who may well say, well, actually ,— gleefully right now who may well say, well, actually , you know, i say, well, actually, you know, i ton-t— say, well, actually, you know, i tot-t uto— say, well, actually, you know, i don't like that— say, well, actually, you know, i don't like that sort— say, well, actually, you know, i don't like that sort of bootottuo— don't like that sort of hectoring that may be viewed as, you know,—

hectoring that may be viewed as, you know, tot— hectoring that may be viewed as, you know, fat shaming and all the you know, fat shaming and all tbs test— you know, fat shaming and all tbs tost ot— you know, fat shaming and all the rest of it.— you know, fat shaming and all the rest of it. i— you know, fat shaming and all the rest of it. i mean, what do you— the rest of it. i mean, what do you soy— the rest of it. i mean, what do you soy some— the rest of it. i mean, what do you soy ot— the rest of it. i mean, what do you say some of the arguments vou— you say some of the arguments you mots,— you say some of the arguments you make, darren? i think you've had a bottle of wine before the show, let alone afterwards. i mean, there are clearly some people for whom being euphemistic useful. you euphemistic is not useful. you know, they'll know, you mentioned they'll say they've thyroid problem they've got a thyroid problem and love, and you think, i'm sorry, love, you've a cake in face you've got a cake in face problem, not a thyroid problem. but the is that when you but the truth is that when you bnng but the truth is that when you bring someone like lizzo into it, many of us know it, someone that many of us know from know that from their career, we know that they're very fit physically they're a very fit physically person. performed an person. they performed for an hour i'm hour at glastonbury and i'm sorry this is the problem. well, let me finish. she claims to bo— well, let me finish. she claims to be one— well, let me finish. she claims to bo ot— well, let me finish. she claims to be one of the— well, let me finish. she claims to be one of the fittest women on to be one of the fittest women ou—ou tbs- to be one of the fittest women on_on the planet,| to be one of the fittest women. on_on the planet, not on the women on the planet, not bbystootty.— on the women on the planet, not bbystootty.-bot.- on the women on the planet, not bbystoutty.-bot. - on the women on the planet, not physically.-her. yes,- physically. look at her. yes, sto— physically. look at her. yes, she. boyouoo— physically. look at her. yes, she. beyonce is- physically. look at her. “25 beyonce is physically she is. beyonce is physically fit — she is. beyonce is physically fit tot— she is. beyonce is physically fit tot mo— she is. beyonce is physically fit. let me just— she is. beyonce is physically fit. let me just say- she is. beyonce is physically fit. let me just say this. i mean, you look like you may well be able to sort of do an hour at glastonbury and that physical glastonbury and in that physical health, of health, the rest of us, i suspect, would struggle with that benjamin that kind of exertion. benjamin so that she is i'm so the fact that she is i'm speaking. lp the fact that she is i don't think is is overweight, i don't think is the same as being unfit. and i'm sorry i didn't say anything about you call

about being. when you call someone lizzo into i'm someone like lizzo into it, i'm afraid think fat. afraid i think that's fat. well, hang on. okay. it's afraid i think that's fat. - well, hang on. okay. it's not. tot-s— well, hang on. okay. it's not. tot-s just— well, hang on. okay. it's not. tot-s iust sty— well, hang on. okay. it's not. tot-s iust soy tu— well, hang on. okay. it's not. let's just say in a— well, hang on. okay. it's not. let's just say in a parallel- let's just say in a parallel universe, is super fit. i universe, she is super fit. i just super fit and healthy. she still glorifies stuffing her face. you looked at her? face. have you looked at her? her handle lizzo her instagram handle is lizzo btec. because she's btec. right. because she's constantly she puts constantly eating and she puts all her instagram pictures all over her instagram pictures of eating, you know of her eating, eating, you know , she goes onto , mcdonald's. she goes onto stage with a milkshake or stage with like a milkshake or whatever. is glorifying, whatever. she is glorifying, eating too much. and know eating too much. and we know that and also in this that in america and also in this country, are country, people are unfortunately too much. unfortunately eating too much. should about should we be judgemental about it? no, not necessarily. i think i'm even talking about i'm not even talking about judgement. even talking judgement. i'm not even talking about— judgement. i'm not even talking about-judgemental- :2 i'm not even talking about judgemental and i'm about being judgemental and i'm not about being judgemental and i'm bot-bootst— about being judgemental and i'm bot-bovtug o— about being judgemental and i'm not-having a-of. not against having a bottle of tube— not against having a bottle of wine or enjoying— wine or enjoying yourself. i tttu-t— wine or enjoying yourself. i didn't—about. wine or enjoying yourself. i. didn't—about not didn't say anything about not obioytbg— didn't say anything about not obioytbg-tboto- didn't say anything about not enjoying there is enjoying yourself. there is uotbtug— enjoying yourself. there is nothing enjoyable about living in nothing enjoyable about living tbs-booty.— nothing enjoyable about living tu-boty. tt-s- nothing enjoyable about living in-body. it's not- nothing enjoyable about living in body. it's not fun. in an obese body. it's not fun. you— in an obese body. it's not fun. you-vou— in an obese body. it's not fun. you-you sou-t- in an obese body. it's not fun. you-you can't be. you can't run. you can't be bott— you can't run. you can't be but. you— you can't run. you can't be part. you know,— you can't run. you can't be part. you know, you see ototuotgbt— part. you know, you see overweight children, not overweight children, they're not bovtug— having fun. that healthy obttttou— having fun. that healthy children are— having fun. that healthy children are having. anyone children are having. if anyone understands— children are having. if anyone understands disordered understands about disordered tattoo,— understands about disordered tattoo-bos- understands about disordered eating, was anorexic eating, it's me. i was anorexic for eating, it's me. i was anorexic tot tou— eating, it's me. i was anorexic tot ton yoots — eating, it's me. i was anorexic to too yoots .— eating, it's me. i was anorexic for ten years. i know what boobto— for ten years. i know what boobto tutt— for ten years. i know what people will say. - for ten years. i know what people will say. you skinny botsou— people will say. you skinny person-us. it's. people will say. you skinny person us. it's not person lecturing us. it's not about— person lecturing us. it's not about-shaming- person lecturing us. it's not about-shaming .- person lecturing us. it's not about shaming . it's about fat shaming. it's about tot-s— about fat shaming. it's about let's-seriously- about fat shaming. it's about let's seriously and

let's talk seriously and honesty— let's talk seriously and honestly about the consequences of honestly about the consequences ot botto— honestly about the consequences ot ttttug tu— honestly about the consequences ot ttttug to ob— honestly about the consequences of living in an extreme state of motbtt— of living in an extreme state of morbid obesity.— of living in an extreme state of morbid obesity. _ of living in an extreme state of morbid obesity. ' t: morbid obesity. and emma, i think you raise a really important point because people don't really think of being overweight or obesity as an eating disorder. it is because is eating disorder. it is because ts obsotutoty— eating disorder. it is because is absolutely an— 2 t: : it is because is absolutely an eating disorder in is absolutely an eating disorder to tbs— is absolutely an eating disorder to tbs soms— is absolutely an eating disorder in the same way— is absolutely an eating disorder in the same way that i use stotvottou— in the same way that i use starvation as— in the same way that i use starvation as a— in the same way that i use starvation as a i- in the same way that i use starvation as a i used it as a crutch.— starvation as a i used it as a crutch. people— starvation as a i used it as a crutch. people are- starvation as a i used it as a crutch. people are using people tbs— crutch. people are using people ttts ttzzo— crutch. people are using people like lizzo are— crutch. people are using people like lizzo are using food as an smottouot— like lizzo are using food as an emotional crutch,— like lizzo are using food as an emotional crutch, as a reward, as a punishment.— emotional crutch, as a reward, as a punishment. that kind of worry— as a punishment. that kind of uotty tbot— as a punishment. that kind of worry tbot ts— as a punishment. that kind of worry that is disordered eating. i worry that is disordered eating. . wotty— worry that is disordered eating. . wotty tutt— worry that is disordered eating. i worry that people— worry that is disordered eating. i worry that people turn- worry that is disordered eating. i worry that people turn off, though, when they feel like they're being preached to about they're being preached to about the merits of having a healthy and balanced diet and getting up and, you know, going out for exercises. you talk about it exercises. but you talk about it as if it's a minor thing. it's a major it is a it is a major- major it is a it is a major tbtus— major it is a it is a major tbtus. — major it is a it is a major tbtbg. abu— major it is a it is a major tbtbg. but .— major it is a it is a major thing. ' t: thing. and i totally, totally take that. but we're all in reasonable , good shape and i do, reasonable, good shape and i do, you know, there may be people at home watching, rolling their eyes and saying, oh, for goodness you know , let me goodness sake, you know, let me live life even if i am too live my life even if i am too fat, even if i do die early,

even if i can't run around the park. i mean i mean, just briefly complaining that taxes are high in the nhs, spend are too high in the nhs, spend is too high. it's because we're too— is too high. it's because we're too fat — is too high. it's because we're too fat. imean,_ is too high. it's because we're too fat. imean, i— is too high. it's because we're too fat. mean, i know you'll too fat. i mean, i know you'll make a more reasonable make it a far more reasonable argument this, but you get argument than this, but you get people basically it as people that basically say it as though you know, fat person though you know, the fat person doesn't as doesn't know they're fat, as though they're not aware of the state they're in the fact state they're in or the fact they might eat too much. but isn't choice? but 64, isn't that their choice? but 64, i you, 64% isn't that their choice? but 64, i-you, 64%-adults- isn't that their choice? but 64, i-you, 64%-adults are. i told you, 64% of adults are otstustsbt— i told you, 64% of adults are overweight obese. we are overweight or obese. we are ttttttus. — overweight or obese. we are tttttbtg. vou— overweight or obese. we are drifting. you remember when you usst— drifting. you remember when you usstlso— drifting. you remember when you usstlso to— drifting. you remember when you used .go to america - drifting. you remember when you used go to america and see used to go to america and see bsobts— used to go to america and see bsobts-vsty- used to go to america and see. bsobts-vsty-out people who were very obese and be people who were very obese and bs-sttgbtty— people who were very obese and be slightly shocked? we be kind of slightly shocked? we are be kind of slightly shocked? we ots-touotts— be kind of slightly shocked? we are _towards that. - be kind of slightly shocked? we are towards that. it's are drifting towards that. it's tbts— are drifting towards that. it's tbtslstst. — are drifting towards that. it's this-sick. this— are drifting towards that. it's this sick. this isn't this is sick. this this isn't bust— this is sick. this this isn't just-lifestyle- this is sick. this this isn't just lifestyle thing or, just like a lifestyle thing or, you— just like a lifestyle thing or, you-bust— just like a lifestyle thing or, you-tust-o- just like a lifestyle thing or, you-tust-o btti just like a lifestyle thing or,l you-just-a bit of you know, just having a bit of sobb— you know, just having a bit of sxtto-ot— you know, just having a bit of sxtto-ot o— you know, just having a bit of extra-or a bit— you know, just having a bit of extra-or a bit of- you know, just having a bit of extra or a bit of bottle of extra cake or a bit of bottle of tubs— extra cake or a bit of bottle of tbs— extra cake or a bit of bottle of wine. the reason— extra cake or a bit of bottle of wine. the reason you say, emily, ott— wine. the reason you say, emily, ott tu— wine. the reason you say, emily, we're all in good— wine. the reason you say, emily, we're all in good shape. we work but.— we're all in good shape. we work bout—bs— we're all in good shape. we work bout—bs-so- we're all in good shape. we worki hard. _be-so times hard. there must be 20, 30 times a hard. there must be 20, 30 times o-tbot— hard. there must be 20, 30 times o-tbot ott— hard. there must be 20, 30 times o-tbot ott ot— hard. there must be 20, 30 times a-that all of us— hard. there must be 20, 30 times a that all of us think . do a day that all of us think. do you— a day that all of us think. do you know— a day that all of us think. do you know what— a day that all of us think. do you know what another you know what i'd love another sttss— you know what i'd love another obs-cots.— you know what i'd love another slice-cake. and— you know what i'd love another slice-cake. and i— you know what i'd love another slice cake. and i have one. slice of cake. and i have one. uotuoy-s. — slice of cake. and i have one. uotwoy-s. vou— slice of cake. and i have one. norway's. you don't. really norway's. you don't. i really to. — norway's. you don't. i really to. .— norway's. you don't. i really to. . mott— norway's. you don't. i really do. i mean, but- norway's. you don't. i really do. 2 norway's. you don't. i really do. i mean, but look, there is another part of this that some people predisposed people are predisposed to have a much more dramatic effect of what they on what they eat.

this is nonsense. this thing about— this is nonsense. this thing about genetics,— this is nonsense. this thing about genetics, as i've said, obst— about genetics, as i've said, ubsu you— about genetics, as i've said, ubsb you go— about genetics, as i've said, ubsb you go to— about genetics, as i've said, when you go to sub—saharan abbot— when you go to sub—saharan africa-there- when you go to sub—saharan africa _therelnot- when you go to sub—saharan africa there not enough africa where there is not enough toot,— africa where there is not enough toot, bsobts— africa where there is not enough toot, bsobts us— africa where there is not enough food, people are not genetically btsttsbosst— food, people are not genetically btsttsbosst ,— food, people are not genetically predisposed , predisposed to predisposed, predisposed to soy— predisposed, predisposed to carry excess weight. but you know— carry excess weight. but you know what, though? that argument about the nhs, i personally, if i want to have, you know, a cake and some wine, i don't live for the nhs , right? so i don't think the nhs, right? so i don't think that we should be slaves to health for you. actually, it's supposed to be there for me it's not. it's not about our health system, not about being falling apart care system. apart. health care system. i just— apart. health care system. i bust-t— apart. health care system. i bust-t tsotty— health care system. i just it really irritates just find it really irritates tbtus— just find it really irritates tbtbg subsu— just find it really irritates thing when people complain about bubtts— thing when people complain about bubtts sbsbttus— thing when people complain about public spending people public spending and people sombtotu— public spending and people complain-nhs- public spending and people complain nhs spending and complain about nhs spending and tbsu— complain about nhs spending and tbsu-tbsss— complain about nhs spending and then-these really— complain about nhs spending and then these really unhealthy then live these really unhealthy , souotty— then live these really unhealthy , equally annoying nhs, equally unboytbg. — , equally annoying nhs, equally unboytbg. bubon— , equally annoying nhs, equally annoying. 2s annoying. when you say things like, oh, a sugar tax is going to lead to, you know, people being slimmer and less money going to the nhs. absolutely no way it is. there's been absolutely no impact our absolutely no impact on our waistlines getting waistlines. neither is getting rid single advert or rid of every single advert or telling shops. look, reducing slightly closer to the cashier desk. these things aren't going

to difference. the to make a difference. the anti—smoking t: f the anti—smoking strategy didn't bott— anti—smoking strategy didn't work-reduce— anti—smoking strategy didn't work reduce cancer. work and reduce lung cancer. tt-s— work and reduce lung cancer. it's-completely- it's different, completely different think it's quite different. i think it's quite stmbts— different. i think it's quite simple education. - t: ”22". i think it's quite simple education. different. i think it's quite- simple education. people realise that it gave it was that that it gave them it was regulation education, regulation and education, education, education. they should do the same. - c. 2 c. 2 they should do the same. education, education. they should do the same. i just think it's weird, you allow it's weird, you wouldn't allow your children to be glorified to about smoking or alcohol anymore, to anymore, but it's still okay to talk about positivity and talk about body positivity and frankly, nhs is falling frankly, we the nhs is falling apart we've a covid only frankly, we the nhs is falling apanfor we've a covid only frankly, we the nhs is falling apanfor two a've a covid only frankly, we the nhs is falling apanfor two years. a covid only frankly, we the nhs is falling apanfor two years. so covid only frankly, we the nhs is falling apanfor two years. so itovid only frankly, we the nhs is falling apanfor two years. so it does only nhs for two years. so it does matter if we talk about matter now if we talk about obesity because that's what's collapsing. the nhs. well, there you strong collapsing. the nhs. well, there you-strong stutt— collapsing. the nhs. well, there you-strong stuff ,— collapsing. the nhs. well, there you-strong stuff , get- collapsing. the nhs. well, there you-strong stuff , get in- you go, strong stuff, get in tousb— you go, strong stuff, get in tousb ot— you go, strong stuff, get in touch at home— you go, strong stuff, get in touch at home if you have a ttttstsut— touch at home if you have a different view,— touch at home if you have a different view, if— touch at home if you have a different view, if you have the soms-tt— different view, if you have the soms-tt-ots- different view, if you have the same if are worried same view, if you are worried about— same view, if you are worried about obsstty— same view, if you are worried about obesity-all. - same view, if you are worried about obesity all. okay, about obesity at all. okay, we're not looking me about obesity at all. okay, we're not looking-me some we're not looking at me for some but— we're not looking at me for some reason. but there _ we're not looking at me for some reason. but there we— we're not looking at me for some reason. but there we go. cc reason. but there we go. still tbstu— reason. but there we go. still tbstu .— reason. but there we go. still tbstu . tttst— reason. but there we go. still ahead , after taking mushrooms ahead, after taking mushrooms for benjamin for a documentary, dodi benjamin butterworth now wants to legalise mental health legalise them for mental health treatment. that's magic mushrooms.— treatment. that's magic mushrooms. if- that's magic mushrooms. if you were uoutsttusy— mushrooms. if you were wondering, you wondering, not mushrooms, you put wondering, not mushrooms, you but—but- wondering, not mushrooms, youi but—butlbuts put in an omelette. and as paris butts— put in an omelette. and as paris butts out— put in an omelette. and as paris burns and over— put in an omelette. and as paris burns and over a— put in an omelette. and as paris burns and over a thousand are ottsstsb— burns and over a thousand are ottsstst, ts— burns and over a thousand are arrested, is this— burns and over a thousand are arrested, is this level of civil disobedience— arrested, is this level of civil disobedience everjustified? i disobedience ever justified? i tbtut— disobedience ever justified? i tbtut not. — disobedience ever justified? i think not. you're— disobedience ever justified? i think not. you're the saturday

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news. the people's channel, btttotu-s— news. the people's channel, britain's news— news. the people's channel, britain's news .— \ the people's channel, britain's news. channel \ the people's channel, britain's news . channel 2 britain's news. channel welcome back— britain's news. channel welcome back to— britain's news. channel welcome back to tbs— britain's news. channel welcome back to the saturday five. that last debate got a little bit spicy, i must say. i enjoyed it as always. thank you for sending in your emails. carole has written in. she says, i have gay friends who hate pride. them like darren want to lead normal lives the attention him lives and hate the attention him that doesn't quite sound like darren grimes, does it? i think he rather revels in the attention, don't you? i mean, he is on the television for a living. so there you go. she says they don't want any special handouts. they have a very large group of straight friends. what turned me against when turned me against it was when i saw cars with rainbows on saw police cars with rainbows on them did for me. and them that did it for me. and those remember the those trains remember the trains? well, turned me trains? well, what turned me ogotust— trains? well, what turned me ogotust-uos- 257’ well, what turned me against was benjamin against the gays was benjamin buttstuottb. — against the gays was benjamin butterworth. derek has butterworth. but derek has uttttsu— butterworth. but derek has written-don't— butterworth. but derek has written don't me butterworth. but derek has- writtenldon't-me just written in don't blame me just bsouss— written in don't blame me just because-can't— written in don't blame me just because-can't get- written in don't blame me just because can't get a date. because you can't get a date. bstst— because you can't get a date. bstst says— because you can't get a date. derek says query. _ because you can't get a date. derek says query. if- because you can't get a date. 32m (2222 if we all derek says query. if we all uttbttou— derek says query. if we all withdraw our— derek says query. if we all withdraw our money- ';�*i2;"2;

accounts, how our employers accounts, how are our employers or accounts, how are our employers ot-tuuts— accounts, how are our employers ot-tuuts botto- accounts, how are our employers ot-tuuts totus to- accounts, how are our employers or funds going to pay or pension funds going to pay us— or pension funds going to pay uss—tmbotttut- us? it's a very important tussttou. — us? it's a very important question. 2; us? it's a very important- question. .leslie's written question. and leslie's written in, says. unless we control in, she says. unless we control the illegal immigrants situation here yes of course we will here now. yes of course we will suffer the same fate as a very short window. imagine that short window. i imagine that might to do with might have something to do with the riots. first, the french riots. but first, it's the french riots. but first, wsfime the french riots. but first, it's time for our next debate. indeed. it's time for our next debate. indeed . up next, it's benjamin indeed. up next, it's benjamin tut— indeed. up next, it's benjamin and benjamin's— indeed. up next, it's benjamin and benjamin's going to tell us tbout— and benjamin's going to tell us tbout uby— and benjamin's going to tell us about why magic— and benjamin's going to tell us about why magic mushrooms should be about why magic mushrooms should bs tsttttsst— about why magic mushrooms should be legalised used. _ about why magic mushrooms should be legalised used. / be legalised used. yeah, that's ttgbt— be legalised used. yeah, that's right . i recently took magic right. i recently took magic mushrooms on quite a considerable scale for a programme on channel 4, and it had a huge effect on my mental health. i think we've got a clip of just what i went through. oh remember that in. i didn't know what to expect . like, you know , what to expect. like, you know, i. i experienced death. i experienced ego death . that's experienced ego death. that's right. i experienced ego death , right. i experienced ego death, as you can imagine. it took an awful lot of magic mushrooms to

get to that point. i did it with fellow gb news regular dominic samuel , fellow gb news regular dominic samuel, because we had two people with opposing views to see whether it would bring us together afterwards , she said. together afterwards, she said. do you think you'll support donald said, no donald trump now? i said, no drug that strong. on a drug is that strong. but on a serious level, i found that afterwards had an incredible afterwards it had an incredible effect on my mental health. and there's lots of evidence for this. a third of people who had clinical depression, not something i have, but a third of people have clinical depression who trip that's when who went on a trip that's when you take a lot of magic mushrooms said that they were cured afterwards. and so cured of it afterwards. and so now from today , australia is now from today, australia is handing out magic mushrooms and mdma to people with depression and with ptsd. i think it's time that the nhs started handing out magic mushrooms. we already give out all sorts of complicated antidepressants with a host of things in that we don't really know much about, and i'm not saying we shouldn't. lots of people benefit from them, but if we use those artificial we use those kind of artificial things, shouldn't we be using

nature's own medicines? i think this would have a massive effect on mental health. and the truth is that the argument is about drugs are so dated and magic mushrooms are a class a drug in this country that means it's in the same category as cocaine or heroin, though there is heroin, even though there is basically no evidence that you're going to get addicted to it. and so i it's time to it. and so i think it's time to change the drug laws and hand out magic mushrooms. darren, what do you say ? well, i say what do you say? well, i say that what do you say? well, i say tbtt tt-s— what do you say? well, i say tbtt tt-s bo— what do you say? well, i say that it's no surprise- what do you say? well, i say that it's no surprise to- 22 7 well, i say that it's no surprise to me you ought— that it's no surprise to me you mtsbt bot— that it's no surprise to me you might not have— that it's no surprise to me you might not have clinical depression,— might not have clinical depression, you certainly depression, but you certainly btts— depression, but you certainly have-delusions- depression, but you certainly have delusions is because have grand delusions is because tbtt— have grand delusions is because tbtt-tbsutt— have grand delusions is because tbtt-tbsutt .— have grand delusions is because that-absurd . i— have grand delusions is because that absurd . i mean, the that is just absurd. i mean, the 32 that is just absurd. i mean, the sz ystt— that is just absurd. i mean, the oz ystt ott— that is just absurd. i mean, the oz ystt ott tu— that is just absurd. i mean, the 32 year old in worcester shire tbttst— 32 year old in worcester shire killed herself— 32 year old in worcester shire killed herself after taking hallucinogens. you've got things like serotonin— hallucinogens. you've got things like serotonin ,— hallucinogens. you've got things like serotonin , ronin syndrome like serotonin, ronin syndrome tbtt— like serotonin, ronin syndrome tbtt bstttb— like serotonin, ronin syndrome that health care— like serotonin, ronin syndrome that health care professionals are that health care professionals stytut— that health care professionals are saying could— that health care professionals are saying could be problem are saying could be a problem ttttsbst— are saying could be a problem ttttsbst to— are saying could be a problem attached to taking these kinds of attached to taking these kinds ot-tut— attached to taking these kinds ot-tut bsobts- attached to taking these kinds of and people becoming of drugs and people becoming schizophrenic— of drugs and people becoming schizophrenic even after taking tbsss— schizophrenic even after taking tbsss truss— schizophrenic even after taking tbsss truss .— schizophrenic even after taking these drugs . so— schizophrenic even after taking these drugs . so you want to these drugs. so you want to tstuttty— these drugs. so you want to actually make— these drugs. so you want to actually make that the wholesale bttsttss— actually make that the wholesale bttsttss ot— actually make that the wholesale practise of people— actually make that the wholesale practise of people in britain. bot— practise of people in britain. uot sysobtys— practise of people in britain. not everyone wants to be as mad as not everyone wants to be as mad ts you. — not everyone wants to be as mad ts you. bony-tutu— not everyone wants to be as mad as you. benjamin no,- not everyone wants to be as mad as you. 2 \2 as you. benjamin no, not at all. look, i mean, first of all, the

body for australian therapies , body for australian therapies, it's the people that deal with mental health in that have called it relatively safe . they called it relatively safe. they say you someone say that if you have someone taking magic mushrooms, i took about ten grams of magic mushrooms and went under for nine hours and i had no sense that there was anyone else in the room, which, to be honest, is how i usually feel. i could just hear myself the world was just hear myself the world was just colours and feelings and it felt this how nature is felt like this is how nature is meant to be. this is how people have lived thousands of years. benjamin had one good trip and bs— benjamin had one good trip and bs-tbtt— benjamin had one good trip and now he _that-us- now he thinks that all of us sboutt— now he thinks that all of us should-druggies. now he thinks that all of us should druggies eating should become druggies eating mushrooms in— should become druggies eating mushrooms in omelettes. mushrooms in our omelettes. tmtty— mushrooms in our omelettes. tmtty-tbtt-s- mushrooms in our omelettes. i emily-that's-that emily that's. that's not. that is benjamin saying. is not what benjamin is saying. i think you actually raise a really interesting point. first of i say the clip of all, can i can i say the clip or the clip was hilarious. it's not that different to not actually that different to you on the show. so it makes me think maybe you brought some back you from the back with you from from the netherlands. but benjamin makes back with you from from the n reallyands. but benjamin makes back with you from from the- n really important benjamin makes back with you from from the- n really important benjaibecause es a really important point because bsobts— a really important point becausei bsobts—ou people on antidepressive, i'm on antidepressants,— people on antidepressive, i'm on antidepressants, example, antidepressants, for example, uoutt— antidepressants, for example,| uoutt—ott would really want to come off tbsm. — would really want to come off tbsm. .b— would really want to come off them. .if there- would really want to come off them. .if there are- would really want to come off them. �*" ”t22.2; 22; 2 2. 2 them. and if there are illicit drugs, which could help with

that, if they were regulated and decriminalised administered decriminalised and administered in a professional and safe way and that could mean i didn't have to take an antidepressant every could feel every morning and i could feel better. take that better. i would take that opportunity. and it seems me opportunity. and it seems to me that if the australian regulators are saying it's okay, then can't the british then why can't the british regulators, you hallucinate every time you took. well, i would say that— every time you took. well, i would say that would- 2s 2 well, i would say that would be a bit inconvenient,— would say that would be a bit inconvenient, wouldn't it? bstuss— inconvenient, wouldn't it? bstuss tbtt — inconvenient, wouldn't it? because anti depressants don't make you have the dosing would be sure the be different. i'm sure the doubt— dosing would be different. but i'm dosing would be different. but too sus— dosing would be different. but too tt— dosing would be different. but i'm sure if the— dosing would be different. but i'm sure if the way that austttttt— i'm sure if the way that australia is— i'm sure if the way that australia is doing it is bttsttstt— australia is doing it is practical for- australia is doing it is practical for people to lead professional— practical for people to lead professional and normal lives. i ton-t— professional and normal lives. i tout-us— professional and normal lives. i don't-we couldn't- professional and normal lives. i don't we couldn't do don't see why we couldn't do tbtt—ttugtoml that in the united kingdom. i bstots— that in the united kingdom. i mean, beforeidid- that in the united kingdom. i mean, before did it, i went mean, before i did it, i went vstug— mean, before i did it, i went vstut — mean, before i did it, i went vstut .— mean, before i did it, i went ystttg . tbt— mean, before i did it, i went vegan. i did meditation, i hugged trees and then i did the experience, which think is experience, which i think is what viewers think what most viewers probably think i of time, frankly. i do. most of the time, frankly. but a cynic before all but i was a cynic before all this. you know, both of my parents i've written about this have been heroin addicts. there are drugs that the most are drugs that have the most horrendous effects . but i think horrendous effects. but i think we are naive as a society 82 group in all of these things, as

though heroin and magic mushrooms from a therapist would have the same effect. i mean , have the same effect. i mean, emma, you're clearly very wise on on health and looking after the body. what do you make of it? well, researching this, i touut— it? well, researching this, i touut tbtt— it? well, researching this, i found that magic- 27’ well, researching this, i found that magic mushrooms could btvs— found that magic mushrooms could btvs t— found that magic mushrooms could have a therapeutic— found that magic mushrooms could have a therapeutic effect. a stusts— have a therapeutic effect. a single-could- have a therapeutic effect. a single could have a single dose could have a therapeutic— single dose could have a therapeutic effect on migraines. so therapeutic effect on migraines. so-ttt— therapeutic effect on migraines. so-ttt ub— therapeutic effect on migraines. so-ttt ubltbtt.- therapeutic effect on migraines. so-all up.that. i- therapeutic effect on migraines. so all up that. i mean, so i'm all up for that. i mean, a so i'm all up for that. i mean, tiot— so i'm all up for that. i mean, tiot bsobts— so i'm all up for that. i mean, a.of people suffer- so i'm all up for that. i mean, a of people suffer terrible a lot of people suffer terrible mtttttuss— a lot of people suffer terrible migraines-know,- a lot of people suffer terrible migraines know, look, migraines and, you know, look, tbss— migraines and, you know, look, tbsts-sotts— migraines and, you know, look, there sorts benefits. there are all sorts of benefits. i there are all sorts of benefits. t-out— there are all sorts of benefits. t-out-bottsy- there are all sorts of benefits. t-out-bottsy tu- there are all sorts of benefits.| i-our-policy in this i think our drugs policy in this country— i think our drugs policy in this souuttylt— i think our drugs policy in this souuttylt-t- i think our drugs policy in this countryla-a mess,- i think our drugs policy in this country a a mess, to country is a bit of a mess, to be country is a bit of a mess, to bs bousst. — country is a bit of a mess, to be honest. people- country is a bit of a mess, to be honest. people doing themselves— be honest. people doing themselves a— be honest. people doing themselves a lot more damage on ttsobob— themselves a lot more damage on ttsobob you— themselves a lot more damage on alcohol, you know,— themselves a lot more damage on alcohol, you know, really bstttut— alcohol, you know, really beating-their- alcohol, you know, really beating their wives and, beating up their wives and, you know,— beating up their wives and, you tbout—sons- beating up their wives and, you tbout—sons ot- know, causing all sorts of btobtsms— problems for society. and ttsobot— problems for society. and alcohol completely legal . and alcohol is completely legal. and i if alcohol is completely legal. and t-tt tbs-ts— alcohol is completely legal. and t-tt bsus-to- i do think if we're going to tosus— i do think if we're going to tosus ou— i do think if we're going to focus on drugs,— i do think if we're going to focus on drugs, we need to first of focus on drugs, we need to first ot tbt— focus on drugs, we need to first ot .ii, toot— focus on drugs, we need to first of all, look at— focus on drugs, we need to first of all, look at things like msttstt— of all, look at things like medical-for- of all, look at things like. medical-for people of all, look at things like- medical-for people who medical cannabis for people who are medical cannabis for people who tts—bttu,— medical cannabis for people who are—pain, children. are in long term pain, children uttb— are in long term pain, children butt—ot- are in long term pain, children with _of that. - with epilepsy, all of that. i ton-t— with epilepsy, all of that. i don't-enough- with epilepsy, all of that. i don't enough about don't know enough about magic mushrooms-had— don't know enough about magic mushrooms had one. i once mushrooms. i had one. i once toot— mushrooms. i had one. i once toot tsb— mushrooms. i had one. i once took lsd years— mushrooms. i had one. i once took lsd years ago in new york tut— took lsd years ago in new york tut tt— took lsd years ago in new york tut tt ts— took lsd years ago in new york and it was the— took lsd years ago in new york and it was the worst night of my it's and it was the worst night of my tt-s tbs— and it was the worst night of my tt-s tbs tbtt— and it was the worst night of my it's the kind of— and it was the worst night of my it's the kind of nine hour he btt— it's the kind of nine hour he btt t— it's the kind of nine hour he btt t 900d_ it's the kind of nine hour he had a good trip. hate that. bob-t— had a good trip. hate that. bob-t try— had a good trip. hate that. bob-t tty tt— had a good trip. hate that. bob-t tty tt tt—

had a good trip. hate that. don't try it at home. - had a good trip. don't try it at home. i had it tos— don't try it at home. i had it was i've never— don't try it at home. i had it was i've never said that on tv bstots— was i've never said that on tv bstots. tt— was i've never said that on tv before. it was— was i've never said that on tv before. it was the— was i've never said that on tv before. it was the worst night of before. it was the worst night ot my— before. it was the worst night ot my ttts. — before. it was the worst night ot my ttts. tt— before. it was the worst night of my life. it went for on about 12 of my life. it went for on about tz bout-s— of my life. it went for on about tz bout-s .— of my life. it went for on about 12 hours. i had— of my life. it went for on about 12 hours. i had hallucinations. it 12 hours. i had hallucinations. tt ts— 12 hours. i had hallucinations. tt tt— 12 hours. i had hallucinations. tt tt ts— 12 hours. i had hallucinations. it was it was hell— 12 hours. i had hallucinations. it was it was hell on us. so i woutt— it was it was hell on us. so i would frankly— it was it was hell on us. so i would frankly never go near this stutt. — would frankly never go near this stutt. but.— would frankly never go near this stutt. but. .— would frankly never go near this stuff. but, i mean,— would frankly never go near this stuff. 2 stuff. but, i mean, emma's talked about the benefit of migraines. the migraines. i talked about the huge mental health, huge benefit of mental health, you you love a you know, given you love a bottle wine three. why do bottle of wine or three. why do you think that should be allowed when that causes such when we know that causes such problems? then problems? well it does, but then it make me hallucinate it doesn't make me hallucinate and that , you know, i need and think that, you know, i need to go off and jump off of a sodden cliff by getting very drunk them crazy drunk and cause them to do crazy indeed. but i'm yet to off indeed. but i'm yet to jump off my flat,— indeed. but i'm yet to jump off my flat, tbt— indeed. but i'm yet to jump off my fiat, i'll tell— indeed. but i'm yet to jump off my flat, i'll tell you— 3: but i'm yet to jump off my flat, i'll tell you that must. — my flat, i'll tell you that must. but,— my flat, i'll tell you that much. but, benjamin, i just much. but, benjamin, ijust tom-t— much. but, benjamin, ijust tom-t sss— much. but, benjamin, ijust don't see the— much. but, benjamin, ijust don't see the same impacts on tbmts— don't see the same impacts on things-serotonin- don't see the same impacts on things serotonin syndrome things like serotonin syndrome and things like serotonin syndrome tut-tbs— things like serotonin syndrome and like schizophrenia and things like schizophrenia tut—otbst- and things like schizophrenia and other things. and all of these other things. tubsm— and all of these other things. tubsm .— and all of these other things. when i personally take alcohol, i when i personally take alcohol, t-bs— when i personally take alcohol, t-bs tsty— when i personally take alcohol, i-be very afraid- when i personally take alcohol, i-be very afraid to- when i personally take alcohol, i be very afraid to take i would be very afraid to take drugs— i would be very afraid to take drugs because— i would be very afraid to take drugs because i've seen , drugs because i've seen, tttmtty— drugs because i've seen, frankly, what— drugs because i've seen, frankly, what it can do to bsobts— frankly, what it can do to bsobts mot— frankly, what it can do to people not unlike yourself. bttttm-s— people not unlike yourself. britain's town— people not unlike yourself. britain's town centres- people not unlike yourself. britain's town centres in a few hours are horrible because we'll be full of places having rows and fights and being idiots and being annoying because of

alcohol. they've got drunk. that's the devil we know, bsmttmm.— that's the devil we know, benjamin. that's the devil we know— benjamin. that's the devil we know stmts. — benjamin. that's the devil we know stinks. do— benjamin. that's the devil we know stinks. do they taste nice? mots— know stinks. do they taste nice? tbsts-tsttty— know stinks. do they taste nice? tbsts-tsttty my- know stinks. do they taste nice? there-really any taste. - know stinks. do they taste nice? there-really any taste. i. there wasn't really any taste. i drank it in cacao . sort of a hot drank it in cacao. sort of a hot chocolate magic mushroom mix. you it in costa kwasi you can't get it in costa kwasi . but. but, look, i would advocate for it. and i think people that accept binge drinking are cultural norm in this country have a hypocrisy to their argument. oh, this country have a hypocrisy to their argument . oh, yeah, their argument. oh, yeah, probably when you say you went vegan because i'm vegan. for how long for? for a few weeks. and that was because they said it can have an effect on on the insides of your body. i actually really being vegan. yeah. really liked being vegan. yeah. but then i found fried chicken when got home and that was when i got home and that was nicer. and wine, you'd nicer. and cake and wine, you'd hate well that's just hate it. well that's greta just cancelling you a christmas cancelling you from a christmas card look , you know, card list. but look, you know, emily, you often talk why emily, you often talk about why the be out of the state should be out of people's lives, who is the government to say as a flat rule that people can't take these or people who are obsessed a benefit that i just think it's absolutely hilarious that you had this 1—1 event in your life

and suddenly you think this is going to cure our woes. i'm still laughing about- still laughing about the ego bos— still laughing about the ego btotsm mott— still laughing about the ego proven wrong. i— still laughing about the ego proven wrong. i could be having mttts— proven wrong. i could be having magic mushrooms— proven wrong. i could be having magic mushrooms on my toast, you mow,— magic mushrooms on my toast, you mow, bstt— magic mushrooms on my toast, you know, come next in— magic mushrooms on my toast, you know, come next in the next few yss— know, come next in the next few yss uto— know, come next in the next few years, who knows?— know, come next in the next few years, who knows? the nhs is sbttmt— years, who knows? the nhs is sbtttmg tbmgs— years, who knows? the nhs is shaking things up. anyway, still tbstb— shaking things up. anyway, still tbstt, tt-s— shaking things up. anyway, still ahead, it's me.— shaking things up. anyway, still ahead, it's me. paris ahead, it's me. as paris burns is ahead, it's me. as paris burns ts-ot— ahead, it's me. as paris burns ts-ot tbtt— is the level of civil disobedience justified? i'm tstmt— disobedience justified? i'm tstmg-you-ts- disobedience justified? i'm asking you're the saturday asking that you're the saturday five asking that you're the saturday tbs-om— asking that you're the saturday tbs-om ob— asking that you're the saturday five-on gb news.- asking that you're the saturday five on gb news. with five live on gb news. stay with . us— five live on gb news. stay with . us tot—

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war on free speech continues. my mark meets guest is the daughter of armstrong. of music genius louis armstrong. plus my top pundits and tomorrow's papers . we're live . tomorrow's papers. we're live. at nine. welcome back to the sttuttty— at nine. welcome back to the sttuttty ttvs. — 2 2 welcome back to the saturday five. having fun, as ttutys— saturday five. having fun, as always. cheers— saturday five. having fun, as always. cheers very much for you— always. cheers very much for your smttts— always. cheers very much for your emails about tonight's tottss— your emails about tonight's topics. wendy's— your emails about tonight's topics. wendy's written in and ms— topics. wendy's written in and sbs stys— topics. wendy's written in and sbs stys, uuby— topics. wendy's written in and sbs stys, uuby ts— topics. wendy's written in and she says, why is benjamin usttmt— she says, why is benjamin wsttmg ms— she says, why is benjamin wearing his pyjamas? well i tom-t— wearing his pyjamas? well i tom-t mow,— wearing his pyjamas? well i don't know, to— wearing his pyjamas? well i don't know, to be honest. this is don't know, to be honest. this ts too— don't know, to be honest. this ts too must— don't know, to be honest. this is too much mushrooms . ”22 is too much mushrooms. tried to be tttt— is too much mushrooms. tried to be tttt. msmty. — is too much mushrooms. tried to be fair, wendy. it's better than his usual garb anyway. francesca says my son is special needs due to his autism. he overeats because he was bullied at school. i totally support the words of your presenters . i words of your presenters. i don't promote his overeating . i don't promote his overeating. i educate him about his weight and obesity. and i encourage any parent who educates their children against overeating in order assist with it. i love order to assist with it. i love the big, bold statement because it is true there is no such thing as big bones. it is true there is no such thing as big bones . well, there thing as big bones. well, there you go . good insight there. but you go. good insight there. but first, it's time for our next

debate. indeed , it's mrs. gorb debate. indeed, it's mrs. gorb bstsstt— debate. indeed, it's mrs. gorb bstsstt ub— debate. indeed, it's mrs. gorb herself up next,— debate. indeed, it's mrs. gorb herself up next, it's- : indeed, it's mrs. gorb herself up next, it's emily and sbs-s— herself up next, it's emily and sbs-s tomo— herself up next, it's emily and sbs-s gotmg to— herself up next, it's emily and she's going to tell us about tboss— she's going to tell us about tboss mots— she's going to tell us about those riots in— she's going to tell us about those riots in france. looks tsmbts. — those riots in france. looks terrible. you _ those riots in france. looks terrible. you mean miss? ttsttmt— terrible. you mean miss? elegant, elegant,- terrible. you mean miss? elegant, elegant, eloquent and articulate anyway, right? i want to first get one thing straight. ihope to first get one thing straight. i hope we can all agree the brutal and fatal shooting of a teenager by a police officer at point blank range in france is absolutely unjustifiable . but absolutely unjustifiable. but what is it about the unlawful killing of a teenager of algerian descent in paris that gives people the right to burn a library down in marseille? what justification could there possibly be for looting sports shops, torching cars and smashing up bus stations? what is it about a holocaust memorial in paris that makes it a target for youths supposedly protesting for youths supposedly protesting for racial against racial inequality and against police violence ? all these guys here violence? all these guys here who've decided to attack a tree

. one i mean, what on earth is that about? does the tree need liberating our trees now, a sign of police brutality and racism? i think not. now, i've seen first hand how segregate paris is and other big cities like marseille in the south. what we are seeing now undoubtedly shows how suddenly tensions and grievances can spill over into full scale riots. but we've also seen in this country, too, unfortunately , haven't we, how unfortunately, haven't we, how conflicts between ethnic and religious groups can snowball out of control and take on a life of their own. there is no western country, in my view, that can honestly say they've managed multiculture racism and mass immigration perfectly . but mass immigration perfectly. but what's happening in france seems on a different scale, doesn't it? it's been confirmed arsonists aged just 12 and 13 were arrested last night . now, were arrested last night. now, with the country braced for yet another night of riots, a fifth night of riots, i worry that we might be kidding ourselves if we

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sunshine across the south and it sunshine across the really remains that way for most of the day. some fair weather cloud bubbling up from time to time. northern areas, a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers. again, across showers. but again, note across parts of and northern parts of orkney and northern scotland , we remain cloudy with scotland, we remain cloudy with some persistent rain, really carrying on right throughout the course of the day. but in the sunshine across the south, feeling pleasantly warm. highs reaching 2223 degrees. little change as we move into sunday night. fairly quiet across the south, but further rain or showers across the north, again being blown in on a fairly keen wind . and for orkney and wind. and for orkney and shetland and the far north of scotland, that rain just persisting right throughout the night. and in fact, it will remain that way as we go into monday itself elsewhere .